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rebuilding 175 splasher
Hi fellow Hudson enthusiasts! I'm a newbie on this forum and I'm hoping someone can help me with some engine rebuilding questions. I'm fixing up a 1941 Hudson Traveler 4dr. The 175 6 cyl. engine was seized up when I got it so I pulled it out and am in the process of rebuilding it. The manual is showing the length of the connecting rods to be 8-5/8" between centers. The rods that I have measure from .060" longer to .030" shorter than this dimension. Is this ok or should I try to find rods that are closer to all the same length? Anyone have some spares they would sell reasonable?
Another issue is the timing gears. The gears that were on the engine are the 14 degree style. I have found that the gear on the crankshaft has some large rust pits on the teeth and I would like to replace it. I have a NOS fiber gear (also 14 degree) for the camshaft. does anybody know where I could find a replacement crankshaft gear? Maybe I should just replace them both with a 20 degree set? And last question, why did Hudson change from 14 degrees to 20 degrees on the timing gears?
Thanks in advance to anyone that can help. -
Jay, the first thing you should do is join the HET Club if you're not already a member. Lots of good expertise and parts sources there, and likely some friendly Hudnuts near you who can offer some moral support if not more.
Hudson did not have a reputation for timing gears failing, so I wouldn't worry much about using a fiber cam gear. As for the tooth pitch and crank gear questions, it might be best to find a good NOS cam gear, then look for a matching-pitch crank gear. I'd start with Dr. Doug Wildrick or Al Saffrahn; or a source responding to a "wanted" post here on the Forum. The later aluminum cam gears are certainly less likely to fail, but matched gear sets are virtually impossible to find, so you're almost certain to have some cam gear noise with an unmatched set if you go that way. Not usually that bad, but I like a quiet engine (I've not heard anything on why the pitch was changed --- maybe Walt M. will know).
The connecting rod length variance is rather puzzling. Is the "cast in" part number on the rods the same on all? (157375, 157376 ---- 3 of each) -
if you haven't done so, & are contemplating doing so, if you hot-tank the block be sure & find cam bearings 1st as I found them very difficult to locate for the "splasher 6" engine.
Is'nt that one of the differances between the two motors the stroke? Therefore the crank and possibly pistons would be different. Maybe you have a newer piston in one cylinder from some past failure? Could check the part number against the book,
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The only differences are the crank, head, and the rods. The 175 engine has 4-1/8" stroke, the cylinder head head has smaller combustion chamber, and the rods are longer. Everything else is interchangeable. The reason for changing the pitch of the gears is strength - the "root" of the gears is wider in the later gears. the older gears did tend to break off teeth, and sometimes the center section would start moving, retarding the valve and ignition timing. You cannot "Mix'n'match" these gears, if you get a mismatch of pitch they will be extremely noisy, and fill the motor with destructive filings. The 20 deg. gears were first used in 1941.If you're stuck in a hole, stop digging.
Thanks guys for all the information. To help clarify my questions, here is where I'm at on the engine restoration: I bought a "master rebuilder" kit from Dale Cooper for 1941-47 Hudson 6 (probably fits either the 175 or the 212 C. I. engine). The kit includes new pistons and rings, cam bearings, cam gear, valves & valve springs, valve guides, piston pin bushings, crankshaft spacer, thrust washer and complete engine gasket set.
I took the block to a local machine shop to get the machine work done. They found some cracks in the water galleries on the top of the block. One of the cracks went into one of the cylinder bores. Another went into one of the valve seats (Knowing what I know now I would have tried to find a better block at this point but I liked the idea that the engine numbers matched the body numbers). I told them to go ahead with the machine work and they stitched up the cracks with plugs, sleeved the cylinder that had a crack going into it and put in new stainless valve seats which was supposed to take care of the crack that went into one of the valve seats (pressure test indicates water is seeping in underneath the valve seat). Not sure what to do here??? solder with 50/50 solder? They also bored the stock size 3" bores out to fit the plus .030" pistons from the kit. They installed the cam, pressed in the valve guides, and installed, seated and adjusted the valves.
I have also had the crank ground .010" under so (aside from the water seepage problem), about all that's left to do is get the babbitt bearings done and assemble the engine.
To be realistic, maybe I should cut my losses on this engine now and find a more suitable donor block?
If I find a 1948 or later engine I won't have to go through the babbit pouring and boring process. If I understand right, these engines use replaceable inserts.
I think I figured out the problem I was having with the varying rod lengths. Apparently, I was measuring them wrong. I thought I could just measure from the flat surface where the rod cap bolts on to the center of the wrist pin hole to get the length. This dimension was varying as much as .040" from the stock dimension of 8-5/8". After staring at them for a while I figured out that if I measure from the actual center of the big bore to the center of the wrist pin bore, they all measure the correct dimension. Aha!
The cast in number is the same on all 6 of my rods (157381). As best I can tell, only the rod caps are left and right hand so that when 3 rods are installed one way and the other 3 are installed the other way, the rod dippers will all be pointing in the same direction. I'm guessing when these rods were new, the boxes probably had the numbers 157375 and 157376 on them, depending on the cap that was installed.
I have sent in my application for membership and a check for payment to Charlotte.
Thanks again guys. Jay
"If I find a 1948 or later engine I won't have to go through the babbit pouring and boring process. If I understand right, these engines use replaceable inserts."
Yes they do, but 1948 and later Hudson 6 engines are a completely different engine than the old splasher 6. -
Welcome to the process! I speak from experience of rebuilding a 212 for my 41 Commodore 6 Sedan. It's still not back together after pulling the engine out in October of 2011. Waiting for parts and trying to figure out if it is or isn't suppose to be that way is a chore. If you have to have a matching numbers car people respect that. But if your keeping it original because your going to sell it and get the most money for a matching numbers car. FORGET IT! The best engine for your car is one that runs and you can enjoy driving down the road. I may be able to find you NOS splasher rods so you don't have to spend all the money on the babbit process.
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junkcarfann, Thanks for the heads up on the 1948 and later engines. I will be focusing on 1941-1947 splasher 6 engines then. I don't want to open another "can of worms" trying to fit an engine into a car that wasn't made to fit it.
Ottobethere, I'm glad to run into someone else rebuilding a splasher 6. I was starting to feel like the "Lone Ranger". I'm not trying to build a car to sell or for show (my work isn't that pretty anyways). Just trying to get the old girl back on the road to enjoy driving. I'm trying to keep it as original as possible out of respect for the car and the guys that kept her out of the weather (and the scrap yard) for all these years. I'm pretty old but this car is from an era before my time. I figure that my reward for fixing her up will be, I get to find out what it was like to drive a car from back in those days!
Thanks for your offer for the NOS rods and I might eventually take you up on that but first I'm going to try to do the babbit work myself. I've got an old Bridgeport milling machine out in the garage that's been taking up space for years that I can use to bore them. I found some babbit with a high tin content and I bought a Lee melter on eBay that's made for melting the lead for fish sinkers. I still need to make a fixture for pouring the babbit and one for boring the rods. If that works out I'm going to have a try at doing the mains too. I might find out that I'm spending a dollar to save a dime but the way I look at it, it IS a hobby car.
Best of luck with your 212 and let me know if I can help in some way. Jay
Just a word of caution: unless you really know what you're doing, you may want to go to a reputable machine shop that does rebabbiting. The alloy is very critical and I have seen rod bearings have been repoured even by skilled machine shops, fail. It would be a shame to do all that work and then throw a rod. You might ask around the forum as to "recommended" rebabbiters.
I know someone who rebabbited his own rods on a lincoln V12 and its been running for years. If you'd like I could ask him his procedure. He's just a shadetree mechanic like most of us. Jim
That is very cool that you have a Bridgeport milling machine. Being able to do the machine work yourself is half of the battle. The other half is finding the time. On my block where the throttle linkage connects to the block someone used the wrong bolt (screw) and tightened to much, it created a .0015 lump in the cylinder. Broke the piston from the 2nd compression ring down the bottom of the skirt 1 1/2 inches across. Had to use the Sunnen Hone Machine to get the lump out. Good thing I did not have to pay to have a machine shop do the work. Let me know how the job turns out.
Jay, another negative with the '48 and later sixes is that they won't fit easily into a Traveler. Supers and Commodores have the longer hood and can accommodate the Eight or Big Six, but you'd have some engineering to do putting one in the Traveler. The 175 is a nice-running little critter, as are the 212s.
Should you decide to have the rods and the main bearing shells rebabbitted by a professiional, I've used Harkin Machine Shop in South Dakota for three or four "splasher" engines. Harkin does nice work. Have you found a loocal shop that can line bore the main bearings once they're rebabbitted? -
I guess at this point I'd suggest you stop for a reality check. The 175 was an anemic version of the old standby 212. You get 101 horsepower out of a 212, maybe 7 more HP if you put a high compression head on it. The 175 cid gets only about 85 hp. Do you want to spend all this time and money to restore an engine that weak? The 212 should drop right in, and (if you believe in authenticity) you can always replace it with the ''real deal" 175 at some future time, with no ill effects. Sure, your Hudson won't be authentic, but 95% of the population won't know that, and the 5% who are Hudson-savvy will forgive you your sins. And as you have already discovered, 212 parts and expertise are way more common than they are for a 175. You may even be able to find a decent used 212 ready to drop in and use, at a thrifty price.
However, the 175 was, like the later 232 motors, quite understressed, and therefore much more reliable. Also an extremely sweet running motor. Another advantage, if at any stage the timing gear gives way, as can happen, it does not have the potential to wipe out the motor as can happen with the 5" strokers. I say stick with the original! Did you know the British market had a small bore version of 194 c.i., which also was considered to be "weak", but in fact was a stolid performer and stood up well. "If it aint broke, don't fix it"If you're stuck in a hole, stop digging.
Another point for installation of a 212 ... that was an option in '41 for the cars otherwise equipped with the 175.
Geoff ... surely you're not saying the 212 was an "interference" engine. Why would a 212 be damaged by a failed timing gear and a 175 not? Educate me. -
Jon B, thanks for the word of caution but I've already purchased everything I need to do this phase of the project. You're right about the alloy being very critical. Hudson found that out in 1941 when they tried to get away with using a cheaper "lead alloy" for their bearings. They switched back to "Babbitt" in 1942. Ford used babbitt on their Model T bearings but I believe they also tried using the cheaper "lead alloy" when they came out with the Model A. They thought it would be ok because of the larger bearing surface. They found out this resulted in early bearing failure.
Real babbit contains a high percentage of tin and is much more expensive. I purchased babbit for my engine from Rotometals (rotometals.com). I purchased 5 pounds of #3 babbitt from them for $18.99 per pound (cheap compared to other sources I checked). #3 has a high tin content and is recomended for automotive applications. I bought more than I needed so would feel free to experiment and re-do any bearings, if needed. One of the interesting things I learned about babbit: You can easily distinguish lead alloy from babbitt by scratching it with your fingernail. If you can scratch it with your fingernail, it is lead based alloy. If you can't then it is probably babbit. I tested this on my '41 Hudson and yes you can scratch it with your fingernail (lead based alloy as Hudson did try using in '41).
Jim, thanks for your words of encouragement. I did a lot of reading through forums on the internet. Model T's and Model A's have poured bearings too and there's a lot of ideas on their forums about how to proceed. There are many conflicting ideas there too. I just had to sort through the information and pick out the ideas that made the most sense to me. I have a lot of experience in machine shop work too so I have a good idea of the geometry that's involved.
Ottobethere, Glad you got your "lump in the cylinder" worked out. I never thought that could happen with cast iron! Someone was probably trying to save time by bottoming the bolt out rather than spending 2 minutes shortening it up or adding a few washers. I'm finding the Bridgeport useful for this project but it wouldn't be much use for boring a cylinder. the stroke of the spindle is much too short. Works good for drilling out broken head studs though! I'll keep you posted on the progress.
Jon B, According to Hudson specifications, The 175 develops 92 Hp at 4000rpm, not 85 hp and the 212 develops 102 hp also at 4000rpm. That's .525 hp per cubic inch for the 175 to the .481 hp per cubic inch for the 212. If it was a good idea to put the 7.25-1 compression head on the 212 do you really think Hudson would go to the expense of manufacturing a separate head with 6.5-1 compression to go on it? If I were you, I wouldn't try this idea, probably pop the head studs right off!
I don't know if I would call the 175 engine "anemic", in 1941 Ford had to build their flathead sixes with 221 cubic inches just to make 90 hp!
Geoff, "If it aint broke, don't fix it". I'll go along with that idea and I would also add: "Bigger ain't necessarily better".
I didn't know about the British 194 c.i. engine. is that a "splasher engine" as well?
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Yes, it was indeed a splasher, and was a special casting with smaller bores (2-23/32") which had water jackets between the cylinders, hence suffered none of the distortion for which the 3" bore engines were renowned. It was this distortion and hence unseating of the rings that led to the rings being pinned in position so that they could not turn in the groove. Park, the 212, and this smaller bore engine, if the timing gear gives out, the clearance is so tight inside the crankcase that the connecting rods collide with the cams. Doesn't happen in the 175 engine, or the 254 (8 cyl), because the shorter stroke means there is more room inside, and thus nothing to collide. I have seen camshafts broken, and punched out the side of the block after cam gear failure. Normally what happens though is the teeth get thin start to flex, retarding the timing, and causing just a glancing hit of the cam and rod, which of course leads to a mysterious knocking as the engine speeds up. This knocking cannot be altered by shorting out plugs one by one, which is what you do to detect a loose connecting rod bearing. However, if the gear fails dramatically, and sheds several teeth at high speed, then this collision of parts does indeed lead to very destructive activity, not unlike a modern engine losing it's timing belt. Another possibility is the alloy center and the fiber section of the timing gear moving at the join, leading to the timing being retarded, causing this mysterious knock. This is why the alloy gears are recommended. However, these can only be used as matching pair of crank and cam gears, as used from '41 onwards.If you're stuck in a hole, stop digging.
The more pictures the better!
Geoff, thanks for the education on the 212s. Fortunately I never had a cam gear fail back in the fifties when I was abusing a series of two Terraplanes and a '40 S6, all with 212s. I did see a horrific example of what "parts conflicts" can do though ... the fellow who rebuilt my first H8 engine ran two Hudsons, a 212 and an eight, on our fast, 5/8 mile high-banked track. In the middle of a race, apparently one of the tappet-cages on the eight got turned a bit, and you know what happened next. Departing pieces of cam, rods and crankshaft literally exploded the oil pans downward. Wish I'd taken a photo of that mess. Pretty spectacular!
I have the original 175 cI in my '40 and have been driving it for 28 years. Al Saffrahn installed the '40 overdrive I purchased from OldHudsons in the early '90's, also Dr. W 10 inch clutch. The car will run all day at 55 mph without apparent strain. That's enuff for me...if you need more, this may not be the right engine for you. The center of the timing gear did break loose a long time ago, and it was hard to diagnose since the car ran ok sometimes, depending on where the center caught. Then, the center main bearing needed to be replaced, which we did w/o taking the engine out of the car (it's never been out of the car). This failure may have been caused by fragments of timing gear blocking the oil gallery which leads to the bearing. The oil circulates thru a hole in the block at the bottom of the crankcase cover. The gallery was certainly full of junk, which can be removed with a bent coat-hanger. If it sounds like I've had lots of problems with this engine, I haven't...I don't consider the repairs major, and I've had no problems for years.40H511.jpg672 x 450 - firstname.lastname@example.com (drop the HET)
SamJ, that's a really beautiful car! I think it's amazing that you've been driving it for 28 years. I noticed you have the ribs on the running board rubber running in the original direction. That looks good I think. Most Hudsons I've seen have the ribs running lengthwise.
Yes, I've decided to go ahead with the 175 engine. I live in a rural area and traffic speed shouldn't be a problem. I think I will eventually be looking for an overdrive unit though.
Pretty sure I already ran a wire through the oil galleries but I think I will double check that before re-assembly. Thanks for the picture of your car. Take good care of that beauty! -
hi, just rebuilt my 175 splasher for my 41 Deluxe sedan which is essentially the same as your Traveler. original engine with matching numbers. i also have a 41 Deluxe business coupe, with original engine. that one needed some attention, but was never rebuilt. runs fine. you will like the original engine. they are quiet with appropriate power for the car. don't try to put a stepdown engine in these swb 41s. that only works for lwb 41s. would like to know more about your car and will send some pictures of mine. also have a 41 1/2T pickup.
For your water seepege under the valve seat, try K&W block seal. This stuff works great for minor leaks in castings. The engine has to be running and follow the directions on the can to the letter. You can probably find it at NAPA or other REAL parts stores.


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Posted: Wed Apr 26th, 2006 01:28 pm |
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javal1 Grumpy Geezer
A while back we had a popular thread on what Civil War battlefields folks were planning on visiting this touring season. So I'm curious: with gas hovering at the $3 per gallon mark and expected to go higher, what effect will gas prices have on your battlefield tromping plans? I can say without hesitation that it will certainly put a crimp in ours. We even think twice before visiting Franklin, only 90 minutes away. That's a trip which last season we'd take without a second thought. Curious to see if it will have the same effect on others.... |
Posted: Thu Apr 27th, 2006 01:11 am |
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TimHoffman01 Member
As of this moment, Gas in Mechanicsville, VA is $2.99 a gallon. (I wish they had a choaking smilie, but I didn't see one, or maybe a Barfing one.) If I could safely ride a Bicycle to the local sites I surely would, but dogone it they don't put shoulders on the sides of the roads any more and I've already been run OFF the road twice in the past couple of years and just don't feel safe. That aside, trips will probably be fewer but they just can't be cut out. I still need to get the kids out of my wife's hair from time to time, and we can't walk everywhere. Then there is the paid-for family vacation in June. I do plan to combine as many things into these trips as possible though. The trip in June will offer an opportunity to see places we've never seen before and probably won't for quite some time. (We're going to Florida, so there will be a chance to drop by Olustee to see if anything much is there, and Fort Pulaski in Georgia (this one is definite)). Going to the Grandparents offers chances for the 1864 Overland Campaign (my parents) or Ft. Monroe, the Yorktown, and Hampton Roads (My Wife's parents.) Please note, we ARE talking about combined trips here, ones we would have made anyhow, not special trips just to see the parks. So, I guess it does but somewhat of a crimp in things. |
Posted: Thu Apr 27th, 2006 05:49 am |
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susansweet2 Member
Being way out here on the left coast I am so far away from any Civil War site except the Drum Barracks that will be the only one I see this summer. Even that is costing me at 3.15 a gallon for regular unleaded. My drive there each week is expensive. I had hoped to drive cross country to see the battlefields in Franklin area, visit my cousin in Memphis and continue on to South Carolina and Vriginia. next spring . Now who knows, |
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Posted: Thu Apr 27th, 2006 02:09 pm |
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MAubrecht Member
javal - I can attest to the fact that most of the gas stations around here (Fredericksburg) seem to raise their prices slightly as tourist season approaches (at least that is my theory). For instance, I get on/off at the Thornburg Exit everyday (which is where the Stonewall Jackson Shrine is) and I pay between 2.65-2.85 (or 90) a gallon (on average). Three times a week I drive past the Fredericksburg battlefield and sometimes Chancellorsville and Spotsy (depending on family activities) and the gas is slightly higher most of the time. As you get close to Old Town Fredericksburg, they are cheaper (as many people park and walk everywhere), but the closer you get to any I-95 exit, the more you pay. This is understandable as many tourists get off there to fill up on the way to other destinations, but to us locals, it really hits us in the wallet. Its to the point now where people debate whether to fill up their cars and trucks, or their lawn tractor, boat, or other "vehicles." I own 2 SUVs and I'm really paying the price! Last edited on Thu Apr 27th, 2006 02:09 pm by MAubrecht |
Posted: Thu Apr 27th, 2006 03:50 pm |
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kj3553 Born in the wrong century
As someone else who doesn't live close to the action, I have to say that I, too, have put off trips -- not just to Civil War battlefields (the closest of which are a good day's drive from where I live), but shorter day trips that I used to take all the time. I shouldn't even get started on what appears to be deliberate manipulation of the price of gasoline -- from the speculators who jack up the price of crude every time someone burps, to the pathetic explanations used every time they want to raise the price of gas. I'm not naive or stupid, and know full well that there are very real and very serious issues out there that have an impact on the cost of oil and how that is passed on to us, the consumers. But when I look back on how companies like Enron deliberately manipulated the energy market back a few years ago, and read these days of the absolutely obscene profits being made by the major oil companies, it's going to take a lot to convince me that there's not something fishy going on. But, it seems I've gotten off topic... Bottom line? I put off a trip to Gettysburg and Antietam last year because of high fuel prices, and nope, I won't be doing much if any traveling this year, either. ~KJ |
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Posted: Fri Apr 28th, 2006 04:45 am |
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Cap Member
MAubrecht wrote: ...... but the closer you get to any I-95 exit, the more you pay. This is understandable as many tourists get off there to fill up on the way to other destinations, Michael, I'll tolerate the gas prices along I-95...I just have a hard time accepting how much of it is wasted sitting on that long parking lot called a roadway. Zero to 60 to zero in a half a mile....LOL. Great area though which is why we always keep going back. We love staying in Stafford which puts us close to just about everything including DC. The current prices do however play into how many trips we will take per year. Cap |
Posted: Fri Apr 28th, 2006 05:18 am |
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Basecat Member
Evening all. While I know the prices are nuts, am not going to let it affect my travel plans. Having been cooped up here in NJ since last November, and dealing with the various health issues that my Dad and Sister are going thru, I know I need to get away even if it is only a weekend jaunt. I was in Gettysburg this past weekend, and while I had the drive from hell going and returning from Pennsylvania, it was just great to be outside and doing something I enjoy. Also realized how much I missed it. You only live once, and no way am I gonna allow the oil companies to screw up my travel plans. Hope all are well. Regards from the Garden State, Steve Basic |
Posted: Fri Apr 28th, 2006 09:19 am |
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susansweet2 Member
I am here in Huntington Beach California. I go to Ashland Oregon each year , twice a year to see theatre. It is my other major activitiy . I bought all my tickets for the season in October. I will be leaving to drive the 700 miles tomorrow. I paid 3.17 cents for gas. 70.70 was the total on the pump. I swear I stood and stared at it for a long period of time. Then I started figuring two tanks up and two tanks home. That is now. I already have tickets for August . Who know what it will be then. They already had raised the price of the tickets the last couple of years, Then last year I found out the hotel I have stayed in for a couple of years has raised their prices a great deal. This is my last year to go .I am retired on a fixed income. I have now been priced out of going. I had planned to not go next year anyway as I want to do another cross country drive seeing as many battlefields as possible in a two month trip. Now who knows. The only thing I am thankful for is my van takes regular gas. I have kept a gas journal since I retired ad started this exploration of America. I kept it up at home for the fun of it but it has been an eye opener. I now pay 11 dollars more a tankful for the same amount of gas as I did last year!!!! That shocked me . |
Posted: Fri Apr 28th, 2006 01:37 pm |
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Tigerreb Member
Could someone explain to me why people have problems with gas at $3 a gallon, yet don't groan, moan, and bi... when they pay $6.00 a gallon for a half/liter of water? JIMT PS - Luckily there will be three people going to the shanendoah this year, each paying their fair share |
Posted: Fri Apr 28th, 2006 04:14 pm |
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David White Member
I think it is interesting how people "turn Communist" on the price of oil. I think to an extent we are paying the price of congress, who seems to be screaming the loudest, allowing consolidation of the oil industry. But moreso on the good old supply and demand curves we learned about in Economics 101. The increasing demand in India and China for limited refined oil (not necessarily raw oil supplies) is going to keep driving prices up IMO. As to the obscene profits of the oil industry, yes the dollars are at an all time high (go back to my mention of the increased demand) but their actual profit margins are below what my company makes in its industry and there are several companies in my industry doing better than us. Should congress step in and regulate our profit margins as "too obscene?" The beauty of the Free Enterprise system is that if the "awl bidness" was so lucrative people would be jumping in to make a "killin'" but with too much govt. regulation and profit margins below other industries, why would you do that? Sorry to sidetrack the discussion, I know this probably goes in the politics board but with all the news and stupid ideas like mailing everyone a $100 check I couldn't resist the rant. Last edited on Fri Apr 28th, 2006 04:15 pm by David White |
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How can a pro athlete not be able to catch and take a step at the same time. It was like he forgot he had to hold the ball. Pathetic
what an inept, borderline retarded play by nanee. unbelievable...
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XenEnterprise v4 with Live Migration and High Availability
US corp. XenSource announces version 4 of its XenEnterprise virtualization software for Monday.
XenEnterprise is based on the Open Source Xen solution with management software, and contracts for regular updates and support on top. XenSource refers to the latest version as a milestone, and is looking to close the gap to the current market leader, VMware.
The product announcement states that new software tools for distributing and managing the virtual machines (VMs) in the enterprise infrastructure are the major technological advances. New features include XenMotion, software for live migration of virtual machines. The scalable XenCenter management software is also new.
The product announcement draws attention to a special high availability feature: a host's management status is within a defined pool is replicated over all hosts. This means that any host in the pool can take over its tasks if needed.
The integrated 64 bit hypervisor will support both 32 bit and 64 bit workloads, up to 128GB of physical memory – up to 32GB per guest VM. Thanks to the open XenAPI interface, service providers can integrate value added applications. The integrated Xen Open Source Hypervisor in version 4 supports AMD's and Intel's hardware virtualization. XenSource thus promise quasi-native performance and speed.
Many of these new features will also be included with the new versions of XenServer or the free XenExpress. XenEnterprise v4 is due for release August 20 2007. The price for XenEnterprise v4 with two sockets starts at US$ 1599 for a one year subscription; the lightweight XenServer version without XenMotion starts at US$ 495.
XenSource states that some 650 companies now use the commercial version of the software, and that customer figures have doubled in the last three months. The Open Source variant is included with various Linux distributions, such as Red Hat Enterprise Linux or Novell's Suse Enterprise Linux.
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Ive done some searching on TNE transdermas but I still have a few questions I'm looking to get answered. I'm planning to run 200mg TNE ED with Penetrate (possibly with DMSO added) as the carrier. Assuming 25% absorption that should leave me with around 50mg ED. Ive ran previous injectables but decided this time to experiment with something new.
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I have seen two very big bucks before the season started and my farmer saw the same ones while he was cutting my corn. Seems the bucks are starting to rut, or at least getting ready to, where I live going by some of the ones I have seen at the processing plant killed in the last 3 days. Im trying to figure out where to hunt that would put me in the best position to bag one for my wall. They both hung out on the same side of my property. The only problem is I havent seen hardly any does on that side. The ones I do see have to be immature because they look to be about the size of my lab.
Now I have a stand back in the woods thats next to a road that goes down in the swamp and is covered up in acorns from all the oak trees. I also have another stand at the edge of a freshly cut corn field thats on the same side of my farm as that stand in the woods. Also theres a large number of does in that area as well as I usually see 3-7 come out when ever I hunted and they were big mature ones. They seem to be the same group of does I have seen in that area for the last 3 years cause they are always on my cams. Will those 2 big bucks cross my entire farm to find those does on the other side? Or will they stick to their territory and seek out any does on their side?. Just trying to figure out if I should hunt where I have seen those two bucks or hunt that group of does and hope a big buck shows up.


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I feed the deer here at the house every day of the year. Some will even take food from my hand.The herd remains at about 12 individuals from year to year, with their numbers getting higher in the middle of winter when there is not as much to eat in the woods. There is no hunting allowed on or behind my property, but hunting is legal on the other surrounding land. I don't hunt anywhere near here. I figure since I take from somewhere, I need to put back somewhere else. Feeding the deer allows me to move around them pretty freely and study their reaction to various stimuli. For the past couple of weeks I have been peeing along a couple of deer trails that I seldom walk on or near, just to get their reaction to it. They couldn't care less. To be fair, these deer are accustomed to the sounds and smells of humans. But to have human urine along one of their regular trails and the deer barely react to it, makes me think I have been a bottle guy for too long.
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Some people have xerostomia without realizing it. Symptoms include thirst, a sticky feeling, loose dentures and a change in taste. People with xerostomia often develop a yeast infection of the mouth, called candidiasis. That infection may appear white, but often the lining of the mouth will appear red and irritated. Candidiasis may cause a burning sensation. This infection can be intransigent, but there are effective treatments available.
There are a host of treatments for dry mouth, but no cures. When a particular medication causes xerostomia, it is best to stop the medication quickly or switch to a different treatment.
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There are medications that increase the output of salivary glands. It takes weeks for these medications to develop their full effect. Their major side effect is an increase in perspiration. Since these medications may interact with the medications that cause xerostomia, it is important for the dentist, physician and pharmacist to check for interactions.
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Grohe 32665DC0 Super Steel Sleek Pull-Down Spray Kitchen Faucet with Limited Lifetime Warranty
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Technical Specs
Installation Sheet | |
Specification Sheet | |
Parts List | |
ADA | Yes |
Cartridge Technology | SilkMove |
Connection Size | .375 |
Drain Assembly Included | No |
Eco Friendly | No |
Escutcheon Included | No |
Faucet Centers | 0 |
Faucet Hole Size | 1.375 |
Faucet Holes | 1 |
Faucet Type | Kitchen Faucet |
Filtering | No |
Flow Rate (GPM) | 2.2 |
Handle Material | Metal |
Handle Style | Lever |
Handles Included | Yes |
Height | 15.063 |
Hose Length | 56 |
Installation Available | Yes |
Installation Type | Deck Mounted |
Low Lead Compliant | Yes |
Material | Brass |
Max Deck Thickness | 2.375 |
Multi-Flow | No |
Number Of Handles | 1 |
Pre Rinse | No |
Product Weight | 7 |
Pullout Direction | Down |
Pullout Spray | Yes |
Sidespray | No |
Soap Dispenser Included | No |
Spout Height | 8.625 |
Spout Reach | 8.563 |
Spout Swivel | 360 |
Spout Type | Swivel |
Theme | Modern |
Touch Faucet | No |
Touchless Faucet | No |
Valve Included | Yes |
Valve Type | Ceramic Disc |
Grohe Conetto Pull-Down Spray Kitchen Faucet Single Handle Single Hole
Product Features:
- All-brass faucet body construction
- Grohe's limited lifetime warranty
- Non-metallic pulldown spray head enhances faucet's versatility
- Spring vs counterweight to help retract metal hose with little effort
- Locking push button control - to switch from regular flow to spray
- Spout swivels 360-degrees providing greater access to more areas of the sink
- High-arch gooseneck spout design provides optimal room under the faucet for any size task
- Grohe SpeedClean anti-lime system
- Grohe SilkMove ceramic disc cartridge
- Grohe Starlight chrome finish
- Stainless steel braided flexible supply lines
Product Specifications:
- Overall Height: 15" (measured from counter top to highest point on faucet)
- Spout Height: 8-5/8" (measured from counter top to spout outlet)
- Spout Reach: 8-4/7" (measured from center of faucet base to center of spout outlet)
- Flow Rate: 2.2 GPM (gallons-per-minute)
- Maximum Deck Thickness: 2-3/8"
- Designed for use with standard U.S. plumbing connections
Product Technologies / Benefits:
- Starlight Finish: Continuously improving over the last 70 years Grohe's unique plating process has been refined to produce and immaculate shiny surface that is recognized as one of the best surface finishes the world over. Grohe plates sub layers of copper and/or nickel to ensure that a completely non-porous, immaculate surface awaits the chrome layer. This deep, even layered chrome surface creates a luminous and mirror like sheen. Grohe finishes are life tested to withstand 60,000 "wipes" with an abrasive cloth.
- SilkMove Cartridge: The rich and smooth handling of our single lever faucets conveys pure quality. As you change the temperature from hot to cold, one ceramic disc glides effortlessly across the other with absolute precision. These cartridges are manufactured in a high-tech process and feature discs made from a space-proven ceramic alloy.
- SpeedClean: Never letting hard-water or grime stop you from enjoying your showerhead to the fullest. Showerheads with Grohe's SpeedClean technology have spray nozzles made of high quality silicon material. A simple wipe of a finger ensures a like-new water flow. Yet another way Grohe ensures you make the most of your water experience.
- 32 665: This model
- 31 349: WaterCare 1.5 gpm version of this faucet
About Grohe:
At Grohe design goes deeper than just aesthetic trappings. It is a quality feature and is targeted toward the perfect synthesis of form and function. The result is joyous experience you have every time you use one of their products. Grohe subscribes to a straight forward and consumer-centric design philosophy; grounded in the belief that good design must transcend form and function to create an emotional bond with its users. With a reputation built on performance and longevity, Grohe products are sure to surprise and delight users with every interaction for years of unsurpassed performance. With Grohe's specialist knowledge it is second to none as they continue to push boundaries, challenge pre-conceptions and create new and exciting ways for their customers to enjoy water.
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Our SKU: 32 665
This product is listed under the following manufacturer number(s):
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32 Questions from the Community
In the product title it says pull down, does that mean it has pullout spray?
My backsplash is very close to the faucet. Can I position the handle so that it is in the front (at 6 o'clock) rather than the usual side position (3 o'clock)?
Hello, what is super steel ? Is it similar to a stainless steel finish.
Is the super steel model CA compliant?
What does dual spray mean?
does the 32665 come with a deck mounted sprayer?
How long is the spray hose?
How do you switch from regular flow to spray and back?
What material is the pull down hose made of?
Can you used a Grohe 07 552 plate to go with this faucet?
What is the height of this faucet?
Is this faucet aerated?
Is there a soap dispenser to match this faucet?
Is the pull down made of metal or plastic?
Hello, does this faucet come with a metal base plate?
does it have a magnetic dock
What is the swivel degree of this faucet?
What is the minimum installation distance from the backsplash that will allow the handle to go all the way back and not hit the backsplash?
If I mount the faucet handle to the front of the sink, will the faucet swivel 360 degrees or is it set to 180 degrees with the handle position at one end of the swivel positions?
Is this model recomended for double sink 10" deep?
Will the faucet swivel beatween two basinets?
How big must be the opening in the granite for the faucet to fit in?
Can I use this for a prep sink?
Does this product come with a kitchen strainer?
If the super steel is an applied finish does it chip or wear off?
This faucet looks like a bar faucet. I am getting a 32 in double basin sink (Kraus KHU123-32) Is this faucet big enough to service the sink?
I have a 45" kitchen sink. Will this faucet be able to reach everywhere?
How long does the spray hose extend beyond the spout? (not the same as hose length)
Can you recommend a soap dispenser that goes with this faucet?
What is the size of the mounting hole?
On the Grohe 32665 concetto faucet, can the faucet be mounted with the handle at the front?
does this model have a bar size unit that matches?
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Warranty Info
Residential Products
GROHE provides the following warranties on its products to the original purchaser, installed in a residential application. This warranty is effective for all faucets sold after January 1, 1997.
Mechanical Warranty
A Limited Lifetime Warranty is provided on all mechanical parts to be free from manufacturing defects in materials and workmanship under normal use for as long as the original purchaser owns their home.
General Finish Warranty
A 5-Year Warranty is provided on all GROHE product finishes (except the InfinityFinishTM) to the original purchaser against manufacturing defects in materials and workmanship.
A Lifetime Warranty is provided on all GROHE products with the InfinityFinish to the original purchaser against manufacturing defects in materials and workmanship. At its option, GROHE will repair or replace any part or finish that proves to be defective in material and/or workmanship under normal installation, use and service.
To obtain warranty repair or replacement the faulty part or product is to be sent along with proof-of-purchase (original sales receipt) from the original consumer purchaser to:
- GROHE America, Inc.
241 Covington Drive
Bloomingdale, IL 60108
This warranty is extended to the original consumer owner, but does not cover installation or any other labor charges and shall not apply to any products or parts of products which have been:
- Repaired by unqualified persons or not using original GROHE spare parts or altered in any manner unless previously authorized in writing by GROHE; or
- Damaged as a result of misuse, negligence, accident or faulty installation or maintenance; or
- Installed or used in a manner contrary to GROHE's printed instructions; or
- Damaged by the effects of dirt, limescale or aggressive cleaners.
This warranty excludes all industrial, commercial, and business usage whose purchasers are extended a one (1) year limited warranty from the date of purchase, with all other terms of this warranty. (See following for commercial products.)
Commercial Products
GROHE warrants its products installed in a commercial application to be free from manufacturing defects for a period of one (1) year from the date of acquisition by original owner. Replaced products or parts are warranted only for the period remaining under the initial warranty.
This warranty is limited solely to the above and this warranty and any warranties implied by state law will apply only for the applicable warranty period specified herein. Also, GROHE will not be liable for any loss, damage, expense or incidental or consequential damages of any kind, whether based on warranty, contract or negligence and arising in connection with the sale, use or repair of the product. Some states do not allow the exclusion or limitation of consequential damage or limitations on how long an implied warranty lasts, so the above limitations or exclusions may not apply. This warranty gives you specific legal rights, and you may also have other rights which vary from state to state. Unless otherwise contrary to state law governing the purchase, GROHE's liability will not exceed the contract price for the product claimed to be defective or unsuitable.


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Welcome back the New York Times that Paper reports that clothing companies are now tailoring to be fashion aware gun owner I like seeing things like that with a sharp rise in people with permits to carry concealed weapons -- rich and others are rolling out new styles known as concealed carry or -- fashion.
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I think -- these clothing options for those -- carry guns.
I'm still wondering if I'll listen.
I don't think they need that truly you know like the -- standard get but.
So now you're on Project Runway yes if you're having any cheese could I think you for this senseless you know I'm not -- in my website I'm working on -- new line of cowboy hats which.
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Other than it's awesome.
It says it we're getting arms.
We're ready.
And in New York -- never -- this except on this show every time ago for Beers and guests later they always have some weird thing the reach up I don't see the gun.
So I guess it's more common than we know yet and I mean it's true we can't mention the number of guests that are -- that are armed but it's about 50% about that.
It in New York City I mean you need a crazy permit for -- GAAP net billion -- conceal things on your person or rather in -- person.
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To add to other notes below about floating point problems, I noted that %f and %F will apparently output a maximum precision of 6 as a default so you have to specify 1.15f (eg) if you need more.
In my case, the input (from MySQL) was a string with 15 digits of precision that was displayed with 6. Likely what happens is that the rounding occurs in the conversion to a float before it is displayed. Displaying it as 1.15f (or in my case, %s) shows the correct number.


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Thu, Feb 14, 2013 | 21:36 GMT
Ultima Forever – Ultima 4 remake chosen over Ultima 7 due to limited resources
Ultima Forever creative director Paul Barnett has said the team at BioWare chose to remake Ultima 4 due to the team's affection of for the original, and the fact that resources were limited.
Wed, Mar 21, 2012 | 03:34 GMT
Developers reaffirm BioWare's right to leave Mass Effect 3 ending as it is
Irrational Games boss Ken Levine and Mythic creative director Paul Barnett have both defended developers' creative right to tell stories as they choose – regardless of community backlash.
Mon, Oct 24, 2011 | 07:59 BST
BioWare Mythic creative boss to keynote GDC China
BioWare Mythic senior creative director Paul Barnett will keynote GDC China next month. Barnett's talk at the Shanghai-based event is called, "Global Reach and Local Limits – Paul's Personal Truths about Online Game Development," and will see him, according to GameSpot, detail how "online play has affected game design in terms of geographic proximity and focusing on culture."
More details at the link. The show takes place between November 12 to 14.
Wed, Mar 30, 2011 | 15:02 BST
EA issues cease and desist on Ultima IV fan projects
EA has issues a cease and desist order to fan site Ultima Aiera, informing the site and others hosting Ultima IV, as well as Flash-based remakes, to pull any files pertaining to it.
Wed, Sep 17, 2008 | 16:55 BST
Mark Jacobs: Of course EA knows about launching MMOs
Following a comment yesterday from WAR creative director Paul Barnett regarding EA knowing "nothing about launching MMOs in Europe," Mythic boss Mark Jacobs has clarified the situation by calling Barnett "sarcastic" and "irreverent."
"Well first you've got to understand that Paul is Paul," Jacobs told Eurogamer. "He's very sarcastic. He tries to be very funny – he usually is. He can be a bit irreverent. And so you need to look at anything he said in the interview from that perspective.
"Second, in terms of GOA: we had done a deal with GOA before EA bought us. So the idea that we went with GOA because supposedly EA doesn't know anything about doing online games is just not true. There was no EA in the picture. So that was one part of it.
"What Paul said about EA not knowing anything about launching MMOs: you know, Paul likes to exaggerate – of course EA knows things about launching MMOs. EA is responsible, certainly, for one of the most important MMOs of all time, and that was Ultima [Online]. And that had people in Europe playing, people in Japan playing – it was really the first MMO to have any success in Japan. And it was the first one to break 100,000 subs."
Loads more through there. WAR launches tomorrow. Order or Destruction? The million dollar question.
Tue, Sep 16, 2008 | 15:30 BST
Barnett: EA "know nothing about launching MMOs in Europe"
Bloody hell, Paul. Don't hold back. In WAR's launch week, the MMO's creative director has launched a stinging attack on EA, saying the firm simply "knows nothing" about bring an MMO to market in Europe.
WAR is being published by GOA in Europe.
"GOA did it with Dark Age of Camelot and they've done it really well. They've done it in a very European way, but they've done it very well, and it's more of the same," Barnett said.
"EA couldn't have done it, what the hell would EA know about it? They know nothing about launching MMOs in Europe, unless it's spending lots of money closing them down I suppose."
The quotes are from a Eurogamer interview. Knock yourself out.
Tue, Aug 19, 2008 | 10:46 BST
"We don't want to be The Monkees," says WAR creative director
Warhammer Online creative director Paul Barnett has told Gametrailers in a video interview that WoW is like The Beatles, "and if you try and be like the Beatles, you'll and end up like The Monkees. We don't want to be The Monkees," he said. "We're Led Zeppelin."
Quite. More down below.
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Tue, Aug 05, 2008 | 07:52 BST
Age of Conan's "rhythm, longevity, gameplay and style" may not work: WAR boss
Warhammer Online creative director Paul Barnett has said that it will be "very sad" if Funcom's Age of Conan collapses, and that the game's "rhythm, longevity, gameplay and style" may not connect with the market in general.
"I think it will be very sad if they don't have enough users to maintain the critical mass, because we need more successful MMOs in the world, not more failures," Barnett told VG247.
"Whether they've hit the right rhythm, longevity, gameplay and style depends on the vagaries of the market. I know they worked really, really hard on it, and I know they tried really, really hard on it, and if they don't make it that's a real shame, because that's people's mortgages."
Age of Conan has been beset with issues since it launched in May, with many questioning the longevity of the MMO's content and its ability to hold a significant user-base.
Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning is tipped to release in September.
Wed, Jul 30, 2008 | 07:17 BST
Warhammer Online dev: "We can't schedule for shit"
Speaking to Eurogamer at Develop today, Mythic's Paul Barnett gave a reasonably good reason for Warhammer Online's persistent delays.
"When we launch these games, we can't schedule for shit," he said.
"We're nearly there, God help us, the fifth time we schedule it it's going to work. Lesson one: don't trust your schedulers. Add more time."
The MMO is heavily tipped to be releasing in September. Barnett told us earlier that the game is essential done and ready to go.
Wed, Jul 30, 2008 | 07:17 BST
Warhammer Online dev: "The game's finished, we could ship it now"
Speaking to VG247 at Develop in Brighton today, Mythic's Paul Barnett confirmed the news hundreds of thousands of pre-orderers will be thrilled to hear: Warhammer Online is finished and ready to ship.
"The game's finished," said the developer. "It's just being polished and cooked.
"We're in a position now where every day we get to polish it it polishes a little nicer. At some point you say, 'That's polished enough now. See you later.'"
Barnett wouldn't be drawn on a specific release date, but said he would be comfortable if the game shipped now.
"We just won Game of the Show from IGN, G4 and GameSpy from E3 and they all said the same thing: they've never seen an MMO prior to launch that's as polished and slick and ready to go as our game is. Our game looks great, feels great, plays great.
"Is it in a shippable state? Yeah, we could ship it now."
Paul also gave us the longest answer to a single question we've ever heard. Hopefully we'll get time to transcribe it later.
Thu, Mar 20, 2008 | 20:29 GMT
Riccitiello and Bioware have monitored Warhammer Online metrics, says Mythic
EA CEO John Riccitiello and Bioware have both visited Warhammer Online developer Mythic Entertainment to view metrics of the ongoing beta, according to the game's creative director, Paul Barnett.
"One of the great things we've got is tons of metrics that run in the background," he said in a video interview you can watch after the link below. "They do all sort of clever things with metrics – things what I do not understand – but I do know that Bioware came and had a look at them because they were very excited about them, and John Riccitiello came and visited… He was very excited about them."
Bioware is known to be working on an MMO – thought to be Star Wars-based – but has yet to reveal the identity of the game.
Barnett refused to give a release date for Warhammer Online, saying only it'll be released "whenever it is". After a bit of a scuffle on the subject of release date last month, Mythic issued a statement saying the project would make retail in the second quarter.
Paul has to be the most enthusiastic man in games – his video diaries of WO's development last year are the stuff of legend – but it looks as though creating the MMO has drilled it out of him somewhat.
"I miss my children terribly," he said.
Keep going, son. Almost there. Watch him speak, two parts, after the link. The stuff about Riccitiello and Bioware is in the second bit.


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Yeah, he's the only new guy to pop up so far, so my my money's on Mason for now
Yeah, he's the only new guy to pop up so far, so my my money's on Mason for now
I haven't missed an episode yet. I Love the new hunky uncle/wearwolf!
Is the Vampire Diaries on tonight?
The guys are still hot, just not finding the show as interesting anymore. Maybe it's just me?
^^I liked tonight's episode. It might not have seemed quite as riveting because it was focused on the more ancillary characters. But, seriously, I could watch Tyler read a freaking phone book and not have a single complaint--that Michael Trevino is smoking hot!!!
I thought episode was really good,
i liked Caroline's transformation in the Hospital. The mystery of the Lockwoods continues, wonder what the Moonstone is?? does is keep the wolf locked in or unlock it??
It goes without saying (but i wll) Shirtless tyler and Mason wolfing out
Is Damon guna help Jeremy with his whittling
I kinda felt bad for Caroline since she was one of the few characters that stayed out of the fray of craziness. Also because she had already been a victim of Damon.
Also both Michael Trevino (Tyler) and Mason (Taylor Kinney) are pretty easy on the eyes shirtless or not.
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Elena, Stefan and Damon have really shitty, convoluted storylines right now.
I wish they'd focus the show on Caroline, Bonnie and Tyler.
I think TVD is starting to fall off tbh...
Wow this has been abandoned for some time now. Either because people forgot about it or they're just not interested anymore.
For those of you who do still watch, what do you think about the show now that it's drawing closer to the season's finale? I was happy Bonnie got larger role toward the end but wish she wasn't absent these past two eps and I really hope she kills Klaus's witch... She's really starting to piss me off, compelled or not. Same thing with Damon, he's so desperate and risking a lot, and I really don't like that he was so willing to let Bonnie die.
I'll be glad to see Klaus' witch dead as well as Damon because they are annoying. I actually do enjoy Katherine and her craziness because she is a very intriguing character.
I actually stopped watching a few months back...the Klaus story line and the Katerina/Elena thing was boring me to tears.
But I just finished catching up today and wow. I must say the last 3 episodes of S2 were badass. I feel like the buildup to it was shitty but the payoff was great.
- Bonnie + Jeremy = srs supernatural love. <3
- Bonnie's crazy powers dazzle me.
- Jeremy being able to see the dead is fucking cool.
- OMG STEFAN! EVIL. I love it when that happens. I hope we get to see him and Klaus be super villainous together.
- Damon and Elena...omg. Just get it on already. He helps Elena not be boring as hell and Stefan/Elena is so forced w/ zero chemistry.
- I was developing a soft spot for Elijah. Too bad he's dead for the millionth time now. lol
- OMG JENNA. POOR HER. But I am sooo happy they didn't kill off Alaric along w/ her. thankyougod. I love him.
- Caroline and Tyler...I HOPE THEY BECOME AN ITEM. They are all kinds of adorable. <33
Now, I'm really looking forward to S3.
I don't watch, doesn't interest me.
i couldn't believe it myself. I really thought Jenna was going to live. Didn't seem like for some reason that that was going to happen.
I saw the Caroline and Tyler thing coming a long time ago because I always thought that Matt couldn't handle it and I was right.
The chemistry between Damon and Elena isn't quite right though so I really don't hope they get together, but I do agree that it seems like the relationship between Stefan and Elena seemed forced. I just think that they are in a rut.
So cool that Jeremy can see the dead and the whole Bonnie being hated by all the dead witches is cool too. Can't wait for what they pull out for the next season.
I've never heard of it.
Then why would you come into this thread and comment on...twice? With the same message?
Noooooooo! I loved Jenna
Just watched the S3 premiere. It was so EPIC. Looks like the main story arc will be amazing this year.
Oh and Caroline & Tyler finally hooking up was A+.
Stefan is fucking crazy, now, tho. IDK. But he's a zillion times more interesting this way. Particularly when he's having strange eye-sex with Klaus. That's always good.
And I think I might actually start to care about Elena and Stefan this season. Paul Wesley is so good at fake!crying. Dammit.
BUMPPPPPPPP. Man this thread hasn't seen action in ages.
Anyway, TVD fans on here...
CW is developing a Klaus-centered show about the original family called 'The Originals.'
'Vampire Diaries' spinoff pilot coming to The CW
Huge Vampire Diaries news: The CW is officially developing a spinoff for the Thursday hit and youre going to have a chance to see the pilot.
After years of rumors about extending the supernatural franchise, The CW has decided to launch a backdoor pilot for a spinoff within the shows current fourth season. The story centers around the original family of vampires and stars Joseph Morgan (Klaus). In the episode, Klaus returns to the supernatural melting pot that is the French Quarter of New Orleans a town he helped build centuries ago and is reunited with his diabolical former protégé Marcel. Phoebe Tonkin, who plays sexy werewolf Hayley on TVD, is also set to star. The episode airs April 25. The working title of the spinoff is The Originals.
VERY interesting... will it have Klaus as some kind of anti hero? While charismatic, and I think Joseph Morgan is amazingly sexy, Klaus has been pretty awful for well, since almost the beginning of his family's cursed history.
Jersey City waterfront/New York City JUB meet on September27/28... come to the Big Apple!!!!!!!!!
^ Yeah, I think they'd have to give him a bit of an image makeover into more of an anti-hero. I agree, Klaus has his fans on TVD but I'm not really seeing how it will work with him at the center of a show. Honestly, since it will be set in New Orleans and Klaus reminds me a lot of the vampire Lestat, I'm getting some Anne Rice vibes from it all.
Anyway, I think this show won't work as well if they don't incorporate his siblings often-- especially Rebekah and Elijah (my favorite) who each have their own fanbase. At this point, it seems like they're unsure if any of the original actors will take on co-starring roles and if they do, how that will impact TVD. It would be awkward if fans of the Originals just jumped ship and dropped TVD all together if the spin-off gets picked up. We'll see.
People are speculating that TVD leads are interested in moving on soon and this is CWs way of trying to hold on to some of the show's audience for the future once it ends.


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There is no formula for generating beliefs in people. There are plenty of people with access to the same facts who end up believing different things. But for many Christians—like the ones I heard from this week—access to information about the position we call "evolutionary creation" could make a significant difference for reconciling science and Christian faith.
"For a few moments, it felt like our little church community was surrounded by glory. The wisdom of Christ in the hypothalamus was illumining the wisdom of Christ in the prophets and gospels."
What can a practicing scientist in the 21st century—even a "bench scientist" like me whose scientific forays are confined to a laboratory—glean from a 19th century wanderer like Thoreau?
With From the Dust, it was our goal to help Christians see the complexity of the issues raised by modern science, as well as help them to courageously engage with the theological conversations happening within the sphere of Christian culture today.
As I read The Voyage, I often thought about Darwin's other famous work, The Origin of Species, and the delight that Darwin clearly took in the natural world. Writing about a tropical forest in Brazil, he found himself at a loss for words, "…it is not possible to give an adequate idea of the higher feelings of wonder, astonishment, and devotion, which fill and elevate the mind."
Considering my own stance on the satisfying harmony of science and faith, you might be surprised to find on my shelves nearly everything written by Richard Dawkins (including "The God Delusion") and my late friend Christopher Hitchens (including "God Is Not Great"). One must dig deeply into opposing points of view in order to know whether your own position remains defensible. Iron sharpens iron.
How do metaphors impact the dialogue between faith and science? We might start by asking: what are the framing metaphors at work in the current debates? Even using the word "dialogue" here suggests an implicit metaphor that frames my approach to the relationship between faith and science. Imagine substituting "dialogue" with "war;" that would conjure a completely different metaphorical framework.
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Looking for a lab that coordinates with this page? Try the Exploring Lenses Lab from The Laboratory.
Curriculum CornerPractice makes perfect with this diagramming activity from The Curriculum Corner.
Workshop Tutorials for Physics: Waves and Optics - IntroductoryThese workshop-style tutorials and accompanying activities guide students through various wave topics - including lenses.
Treasures from TPFNeed ideas? Need help? Explore The Physics Front's treasure box of catalogued resources on ray optics, including the topic of lenses.
Diverging Lenses - Object-Image Relations
Previously in Lesson 5, ray diagrams were constructed in order to determine the location, size, orientation, and type of image formed by double concave lenses (i.e., diverging lenses). The ray diagram constructed earlier for a diverging lens revealed that the image of the object was virtual, upright, reduced in size and located on the same side of the lens as the object. But will these always be the characteristics of an image produced by a double concave lens? Can convex lenses ever produce real images? Inverted images? Magnified Images? To answer these questions, we will look at three different ray diagrams for objects positioned at different locations along the principal axis. The diagrams are shown below. (Note that only two sets of incident and refracted rays were used in the diagram in order to avoid overcrowding the diagram with rays.)
The diagrams above show that in each case, the image is
- located on the object' side of the lens
- a virtual image
- an upright image
- reduced in size (i.e., smaller than the object)
Unlike converging lenses, diverging lenses always produce images that share these characteristics. The location of the object does not affect the characteristics of the image. As such, the characteristics of the images formed by diverging lenses are easily predictable.
Another characteristic of the images of objects formed by diverging lenses pertains to how a variation in object distance affects the image distance and size. The diagram below shows five different object locations (drawn and labeled in red) and their corresponding image locations (drawn and labeled in blue).
The diagram shows that as the object distance is decreased, the image distance is decreased and the image size is increased. So as an object approaches the lens, its virtual image on the same side of the lens approaches the lens as well; and at the same time, the image becomes larger.
Your Understanding
The following questions pertain to the image characteristics of all types of optical devices discussed in the last two units - plane mirrors, concave mirrors, convex mirrors, converging lenses, and diverging lenses. Use your understanding of the object-image relationships for these three types of mirrors and two types of lenses to answer these questions.
1. How can a plane mirror, concave mirror, convex mirror, converging lens and/or diverging lens be used to produce an image that has the same size as the object?
2. How can a plane mirror, concave mirror, convex mirror, converging lens and/or diverging lens be used to produce a magnified image?
3. How can a plane mirror, concave mirror, convex mirror, converging lens and/or diverging lens be used to produce an upright image?
4. How can a plane mirror, concave mirror, convex mirror, converging lens and/or diverging lens be used to produce a real image?
5. The image of an object is found to be upright and reduced in size. What type of mirror and/or lens is used to produce such an image?


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