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Hahaha...I sure don't want to make enemy out of WXB....you will end up like Zheng Keshuang.
That fate is worse then a stab wound...U get frame everywhere..
Hahaha...I sure don't want to make enemy out of WXB....you will end up like Zheng Keshuang.
That fate is worse then a stab wound...U get frame everywhere..
You have a point there. But had JY wanted WXB to get the lady by honest methods, it can be done. Zheng Keshuang is a despicable coward, so Ah Ke can eventually turn to WXB after seeing ZKS's real personality. Of course JY can turn it into a tragedy like in the case of You Tanzhi, nice guy finishing last. Anyway, I'm not liking Ah Ke very much and would rather have Shuang'er show up more. I miss Shuang'er.
Thanks Foxs
Seems to me that Zheng Keshuang left his followers without giving it a second thought.
You plant a garden and the flowers do not bloom, you poke a stick in the mud and it grows into a tree
Well, he's still a young boy after all and hence it's not surprising that he will love to play tricks especially on his enemy.... no no I'll never get involved with some like wxb if i'm aware...way too dangerous
Thanks Foxs.... I think comparatively its cheaper to fly for US citizens then Malaysians...
The currency and earning power in US beats us here...heh heh heh
However would really love to visit the states sigh.....other priorities comes first.
IMO Grundle....he shouldn't be trying to compete...the girl may be beautiful but she's mean-spirited and shallow (not to mention a bit slow) and that's just not worth the trouble. If she's so hung up on ZK, who obviously has little other than his lineage to recommend him, that would be even more reason to dump her - bad taste.
Grundle, I have to agree with sky and tweety; granted that he grew up in a brothel, where he saw men groping women all the time, but he should at least have a little decency. Other than that, I am with you. Wandering, I agree, his quick-thinking and his guts are quite admirable. Smurf, is Xiang Shaolong lecherous? Crydee, Ace, Jin Yong deliberately made Zheng Keshuang shallow; to match Ah Ke? Crazee, but I have my wife and kids ... KChill, I don't recall this part being in Minford's work.
Zheng Keshuang was just crawling up from the ground, he had not stood firm yet. A lama pounced on him and grabbed his arms. Another lama pulled his clothes apart, rip, rip! his outer garment, his undergarment, were torn to pieces; the gold, silver and jewels in his pocket were thrown to the ground, but how could there be any sutra? Anh, you are welcome.
Zheng Gongzi, Wei Xiaobao called out, Where did you hide the sutra? Why dont you tell them? Its not such a precious object anyway.
Zheng Keshuang was furious, I dont have it! he loudly shout.
A lama slapped him hard that he almost passed out. Will you speak or not? the lama shouted, while giving him another slap.
Seeing Zheng Keshuangs cheeks were immediately swollen, Wei Xiaobaos joy was unspeakable. Zheng Gongzi, he called out again, Why dont you get that sutra for this Buddha masters? I saw you digging a hole in that inn; did you hide the sutra in there?
Sangjie happily said, Right, the little kid must be telling the truth; take him back to the inn.
Yes! the lama complied. He slapped Zheng Keshuangs face again.
Ah Ke could not bear it anymore, she scrambled out of the haystack and called out, This little kid is an expert liar, dont believe him. This Zheng Gongzi has never seen any sutra.
Wei Xiaobao turned his head around and said in a low voice, I am trying to save Shitai and you, let Zheng Gongzi lead them away.
I dont want you to save me, Ah Ke said, You have wronged Zheng Gongzi, you will make him lose his life.
Wei Xiaobao said, Shitais and your lives are ten thousand times more important than Zheng Gongzis.
Sangjie said to the lama grabbing Zheng Keshuang, Dont kill him. Turning his head around, he said, Little Nun, come out. And these two babies, take them with us to find the sutra.
Ah Ke angrily said, You are the one who is afraid of death, yet you said you want to save Shifu. If you have guts, go fight these lamas.
The hot blood in Wei Xiaobaos heart welled up, he thought, You despise me like this, so what if Ill let myself be killed by these lamas? He said, You want me to fight? Fine. My death is not a big deal, its just that I wont be able to save Shitai and you. But what if I win?
Humph, Ah Ke snorted, Even if you reincarnated you wont win. If you defeat one lama, I will obey you forever.
What do you mean defeat one lama? Didnt I kill seven lamas? Wei Xiaobao said.
You used trick to kill, Ah Ke said, It does not count.
Wei Xiaobao said, If I defeat one lama, you will marry me and be my wife.
Nonsense! Ah Ke angrily said, You are a little monk, you are also a little eunuch, how can how can
Little monk can return to normal life, little eunuch can quit being an eunuch, Wei Xiaobao said, In short, I must marry you and take you as my wife.
Shifu, Ah Ke anxiously said, Did you hear that? In situation like this he is still foul-mouthed and talks nonsense.
The nun in white sighed; she thought that the situation was seriously critical. She might be forced to cut her own channel[6] and die, to avoid being humiliated by the lamas. Xiaobao, she called in a low voice, Stretch your hand into the haystack.
Yes, Wei Xiaobao replied. He stretched his left hand backhandedly into the haystack. He felt a small paper packet in his hand; he heard the nun in white said in a low voice, This is the map hidden inside the sutra. You dont need to care about me, you must escape alone. If you could obtain the other seven sutras in the future, perhaps our great Han peoples rivers and mountains will have a hope of recovering. It is much more important than my, one persons life.
Wei Xiaobao saw how high she regarded him; she did not entrust this matter to her own disciple, but gave it to him instead, immediately his spirit rose. Suddenly he had an idea. Right now he did not have time to think about it in details, but he loudly said, My Shifu is a martial art expert of this age, she is unwilling to fight with you. Just appoint one person to have a match with me. Only if you can beat me will my Shijie go into action. Humph, humph! Ill say you wont dare. Just know your own limitation, youd better run away quickly with your tails between your legs. While saying that, he put the paper packet into his bosom.
The five lamas laughed aloud. Although they were quite afraid of the nun in white, why would they take this little kid seriously? One lama laughed and said, I only need to send you one palm strike, I guarantee you will roll around seventeen, eighteen times, and have a match in farting!
Wei Xiaobao took a step forward and said in a clear voice, Alright, let you and I have a match then. Turning his head toward Ah Ke, he said, After I win, you will be my wife, you cant deny.
Ah Ke said, You wont win. No matter what you wont win.
Wei Xiaobao said, A man stake out everything he has, ten thousand men cant stop him. In order to win you to be my wife, I have no choice but to stake everything I have.
The lama took several steps forward and said with a laugh, You really want to have a match with me?
Why would I lie to you? Wei Xiaobao replied, The two of us will have a one-on-one match. Dont worry, my Shifu will not personally go into action. Those four martial brothers of yours, are they going to help you?
Sangjie burst into loud laughter. Naturally we wont help him, he said.
Wei Xiaobao said, Supposing that I kill him with a single blow, will you go together, relying on numbers to gain victory? Let us agree up front: if all of you swarm together, I wont be your match, my Shifu will have to personally go into action.
Sangjie was actually afraid that the nun in white would personally go into action. He thought about his several martial brothers who died without clear reason, he did not know what kind of martial art this nun possessed, he thought it would be greatly advantageous to him if he let his martial brother have one-on-one match with this little kid, so that he could see the nun in whites martial art school and her background. Thereupon he said, The two of you will have a one-on-one match, neither side is allowed to help you two.
Wei Xiaobao said, Whoever helps is a turtle son of b1tch.
Thats right, Sangjie said, Whoever helps is a turtle daughter of b1tch.
Not only Sangjie had a high martial art skill, he was also very smart. He saw that the nun in white and Ah Ke were women, thereupon he changed the turtle son of b1tch into turtle daughter of b1tch, because since in any case the opponent would not be turtle son of b1tch, they might go forward and help anyway.
Wei Xiaobao laughed and said, Very good. You, big lama, is exceptionally astute, Zaixia [myself (humble)] is full of admiration.
Move forward several steps more, Sangjie said. He saw Wei Xiaobao was standing very close to the haystack, and was afraid the nun in white might put her hand onto his back and secretly transfer her internal energy to him, then his martial brother would not be able to withstand.
Wei Xiaobao said, We, Han people, are frank and upright, if we win, we will win honorably, if we lose, we will lose gracefully; how can we practice fraud?
The nun in white said in a low voice, Xiaobao, you wont win, just pretend you are having a martial art match, then grab a horse and escape.
Yes, Wei Xiaobao replied. He took three steps forward, so that the distance between him and the haystack was a bit more than a zhang.
Seeing that the nun in white would no longer able to help in secret, Sangjie nodded. The lama also took several steps forward until he stood face to face with Wei Xiaobao, and then he said with a laugh, How do you want to compete?
Wei Xiaobao said, We could have either soft match, or hard match[7].
The lama laughed and said, How do we have a soft match? And how do we have a hard match?
Wei Xiaobao said, In soft match, I punch you once, you also punch me once. I will punch you again, and you also punch me again. We punch each other seventy, eighty times, until one of us fall down. When you punch me, I must neither dodge, nor lift my hand to block; I can only stand still, transporting my internal energy to receive your punch head on. When I hit you, you will do the same. In hard match, we can either fight with weapons or barehanded. Naturally we can dodge, block, run or leap.
Sangjie thought, This little urchin is nimble; supposing he jumps around, I am afraid Shidi wont be able to hit him. He is so full of confidence, he must have some other trick up his sleeve. Most probably he will jump toward the haystack, enticing Shidi to chase him, and then that nun will suddenly launch a sneak attack from inside of the haystack. If they fight a soft match, his fist is so small, seventy, eighty of his punches landed on Shidis body would be no more than scratching an itch. Thereupon he shouted in Tibetan, Have a soft match with him, but dont injure him. The longer you let him fight the better, so that we can see his martial art school and background.
Your Shixiong is scared, Wei Xiaobao said, He is afraid that you cant beat me, and thus telling you to surrender, isnt he?
The lama laughed and said, Little demon speaks nonsense. Shige feels sorry for you, he told me not to kill you in just one strike. Since you are so young, your weapon, as well as punching and kicking skills must be limited. I dont want to take advantage over you either, so lets have a soft match.
Good! Wei Xiaobao said. Sticking out his chest, he put his hands behind his back and said, You may hit me first. If I evade or block, just consider me not a hero or a warrior.
The lama laughed. You are a little kid, he said, Naturally you must go first. While saying that, he copied Wei Xiaobaos manner: he stuck out his chest and put his hands behind his back. Compared to Wei Xiaobao, he was a good one head taller. He was giggling incessantly, obviously he did not take this little urchin seriously.
Wei Xiaobao stretched out his left fist, it barely reached the lamas lower abdomen. Seeing his small fist, the five lamas burst into laughter. Alright, Wei Xiaobao said, I am sending my first strike.
The lama did not dare to be too careless; afraid that Wei Xiaobao might have some unusual skill, he gathered his internal energy and sent it all toward his lower abdomen. Wei Xiaobao suddenly flicked his right sleeve, with his fist inside it; noiselessly the punch landed on the left side of the pit of the lamas stomach. Seeing such a powerless punch, Sangjie and the others burst out laughing again.
The sound of laughter had not ceased, they saw the lamas body swayed. Wei Xiaobao said, Now its your turn to hit me. The lama suddenly dropped down, crouching on the ground, and then stopped moving altogether. Sangjie and the others were greatly shocked; they rushed forward at once.
Wei Xiaobao withdrew to the haystack and called out, Halt! Whoever helps is a turtle lama son of a b1tch.
The four lamas halted; they saw the lama was still unmoving, not because his breathing was constricted due to serious injury, but because he had died. The four lamas jaws dropped in endless surprise; they were all speechless. Wei Xiaobao raised his clenched fists high above his head and said, My Shifu has taught me unique martial art called the Splitting Mountain Striking the Ox Divine Fist that I am able to strike a big ox dead with one punch, much less just a little lama. Whoever refuses to accept may come forward to try it! With a low voice he continued, Ah Ke, my wife, will you renege on your promise?
Ah Ke saw that the fist technique that she looked down was actually a superior martial art; a tall and sturdy lama being hit, unexpectedly could not withstand it and had to lie prostate on the ground without able to stand up again, his life and death was unknown; she was also very surprised. Hearing Wei Xiaobao, unexpectedly she forgot to reprimand him.
Ha, ha, Wei Xiaobao laughed and said, You complied. My good wife.
Ah Ke angrily said, I am not.
You blatantly reneged on your own promise, you are not a hero or a warrior, Wei Xiaobao said.
So what if I am not? Ah Ke said.
The nun in white actually saw that after Wei Xiaobao hit the lamas heart, blood was seeping out of the lamas chest before he swayed and fell face down on the ground. After thinking about it for a moment, she knew that Wei Xiaobao had hidden his dagger in his sleeve; actually, he did not send out a punch at all, rather, he thrust his dagger into the opponents heart. The dagger was sharp beyond compare, even steel would be penetrated by it, let alone human flesh. Wei Xiaobao used his left hand first to let everybody know that he was using a fist; after using the dagger, he hid it immediately, and then lifted his fists high above his head, hence other people did not suspect him even more.
[6] Orig. Jing Mai channel of traditional Chinese medicine, the passage through which vital energy (qi or chi) circulates.
[7] Orig. wen and wu, literary and martial art.
Xiao Bao really smart and has gut.
Thanks Foxs
Thanks foxs.
Gotta give credit to WXB. He's a quick thinker and has tons of courage. Hopefully his infatuation with Ah Ke will end soon.
Despite being the weakest, WXB already killed his eighth lamas. Ah Ke & ZKS zero whlie the nun in white with just 1 kill.
WXB really pulled his weight whilst ZKS was just a freeloader with nothing to offer. No wonder the nun in white gave him the cold shoulder.
You plant a garden and the flowers do not bloom, you poke a stick in the mud and it grows into a tree
Foxs, you are correct. The entire soft vs. hard bet as well as him making Ah Ke promise to marry him, was omitted from Minford's translation. Why, I haven't the slightest idea -- makes no sense to me.
Thanks Foxs This is the only way most of us will know what Jin Yong really wrote. Movies are always changed and now I know Translations are too.
Really gotta admire XB. He actually thought way ahead.... after killing the lama, the others are not to help or interfere....therefore slowing them from finding out his knife trick.
Well, it might not be really a gentlemanly act but with huge bullies around, you gotta use whatever in your disposal.
He's no coward....inspite of the princess's proding for him to leave them.....
Thanks Foxs... yes, it was enlightening as the details are finally revealed.
BTW, the same here too....got a wife and 2 kids.....too ex to travel far or near!!!
Really envy those who travels yearly to far away places and then shows me the beautiful photos.....
Gubrak, Sky, Ace, you got that right. KChill, Tweety, not to mention the books were three years apart ... Anh, most of the translation work in here will tell you whether it is abridged or full. Crazee, I thought people in Asia made a lot of money ...
Sangjie called the lama several times, but did not hear any response; he was bewildered and did not know what to do. A thin lama pulled his jiedao out and shouted, "Little demon, so what if your boxing skill is superior? Your Buddha master wants to try your blade technique." He thought that this little kid had received teaching from brilliant master, his internal energy cultivation and fist strength were indeed not a small matter, but if he fought him using weapons, his fist strength would be useless.
"You want to have a match with blades? Yes, you can. Come!" Wei Xiaobao said.
The lama did not dare to come near, he shouted, "If you have guts, you come!"
Wei Xiaobao echoed, "If you have guts, you come!"
The lama said, "One, two, three, we both take three steps forward."
"Alright!" Wei Xiaobao said, "One, two, three!" And he took three steps forward.
The lama also took three steps forward, while brandishing his jiedao into a circle of white ray to protect himself, afraid that Wei Xiaobao might suddenly launched his 'splitting mountain striking ox divine fist'."
Wei Xiaobao laughed and said, "Don't be afraid, I won't use the divine fist against you."
How could the lama believe him? He still brandished the jiedao, creating 'whoosh, whoosh' noise. "Quickly pull your blade!" he shouted.
Wei Xiaobao laughed and said, "I have trained and mastered the divine skill to protect my head from 'Jin Ding School' ['golden crown of the head' - see Chapter 10]. You can try chopping my head with your saber, I guarantee that that big saber will bounce back and chop your own bald head. I am telling you this in advance, so that you won't be fooled.
The lama was half believing and half doubting; but after seeing him killing his martial brother with one punch without extra trouble, his martial art skill must be deep and immeasurable. Momentarily he did not dare to go forward rashly; he did not dare to lift his saber to chop Wei Xiaobaos head even more.
"Your martial art is too low," Wei Xiaobao said, "I won't hit you back. But you can only chop my head, you must not chop my chest. I am still young, the divine skill to protect my body has not been trained to perfection. If you chop at my chest, I will definitely die."
The lama looked at him with squinted eyes; he asked, "Your head really does not afraid of saber chop?"
Wei Xiaobao took off his cap and said, "Just look, my braid is already gone, the more I train, the shorter will my hair be; the divine skill of the top of my head and of my neck has been trained to perfection. By the time I train until not a single hair on my head remains, my chest won't be afraid of your saber chop as well."
Because he became a monk in Shaolin Temple and Qingliang Temple, the hair on his head was shaved clean. By this time his hair was only less than a cun long. At that time, other than Buddhist monks and people who were bald by nature, all males had to have their hair in braids. Someone with a cun long hair like him was indeed unheard of. As for the story that the more he trained the shorter his hair and so on, Wei Xiaobao recalled it from what he saw and heard in Prince Kangs mansion, when he met Wu Yingxiongs escorts from Jin Ding School.
The lama saw his head, and believed several points. He had also heard that there was indeed a school called Jin Ding in Wulin, whose hard head martial art skill was very formidable. I dont believe your head can withstand my saber chop, he said.
I suggest youd better not try it, Wei Xiaobao said, When the saber bounces back, the eating apparatus of your body cannot be guaranteed.
I dont believe you! the lama said, Stand still, I am going to chop your head. While saying that, he raised his jiedao high.
Seeing the flickering blade, Wei Xiaobaos fear was unspeakable; he thought that if the lama realy chop his head, not only his skull would be split in two, his body would also be split like split bamboo. Its just that: one, he could not fight the lama for real anyway, other than resorting to trickery, he did not have any other way of escaping; two, gambling had become his second nature, he was betting that when the lama heard his threat, he would not dare to chop his head or neck. In a way, he was gambling with his own life as the stake.
By now his life and death lay in this lamas mind, but win or lose, it was no different than throwing dice; much less in this case he had no other alternative to gambling anyway. If he did not gamble, this lama would raise his saber and chop randomly, then in the end he, as well as the nun in white and Ah Ke would be hacked to death. Moreover, right now the eyes of the beautiful girl Ah Ke were steadily fixed on him. Thinking to this point, he could not help but cast a glance toward Zheng Keshuang, who was still lying on the ground; he said in his heart, You are a young master of a princes mansion, compared to me, the son of a wh0re, who is more heroic? Damn it, do you dare to stand here and let others chop your head with a saber?
Sangjie called out in Tibetan, This little demon knows witchcraft, dont chop his head or neck.
What did he say? Wei Xiaobao asked, He told you not to chop my head, didnt he? You are all treacherous and crafty, you dont keep your own words; that wont be good.
No, no, the lama said, Da Shixiong told me not to believe your bragging; he told me to chop your head into two halves. As the word halves came out of his mouth, the saber chopped down from the air.
Wei Xiaobao was so scared that his soul flew to the outer sky, in a twinkling his heroic spirit disappeared without a trace. Hastily he pulled back his head while groaning in his heart, My life stops here!
Unexpectedly when the saber was still three chi away from his head, it suddenly changed direction; the jiedao made a half circle turn in a different move embracing moon in the bosom, the saber swung from outside to the inside, stab, it hacked on Wei Xiaobaos back.
The saber carried a tremendous force, Wei Xiaobao felt severe pain on his back, he was unable to stand and tumbled down into the lamas bosom. Immediately the dagger in his right hand stabbed the pit of the lamas stomach three times, and then he ducked down and crawled underneath the lamas crotch, while calling out, Aiyo, aiyo, you did not keep your words!
The lama made some he, he, he, gurgling noise, his jiedao turned back and hacked his own face. His body curled up, twisted several times, and then he lay down motionless.
Wei Xiaobao was hoping that the lama would hack his chest; since he was wearing the treasured vest to protect his body, he would not lose his life, hence the four lamas would be scared and run away. Who would have thought that the lama did not hack his chest but his back instead? By doing so, Wei Xiaobao was pushed toward the lama. Seizing this opportunity, Wei Xiaobao stabbed his chest several times. Its just that by crawling under the opponents crotch he looked to be in a very desperate situation. His near escape this time did not differentiate him as hero or a coward.
Shifu, he made such a big fuss, The divine skill on my back has also been trained to perfection. Did you see that? Cough, cough the saber bounced back and killed him. Wonderful, wonderful!
Actually, the lama only suffered minor injury from the bouncing saber, it was the three stabs of the dagger that killed him; yet Sangjie and the other, three people, could not see that. They assumed it was indeed the bouncing saber that killed the lama. They were so scared that they withdrew several zhang away, while loudly called the dead lamas name.
The nun in white was already aware that Wei Xiaobao was wearing the treasured vest to protect his body. She knew that Ah Ke had chopped him twice without injuring him, hence this time she was not surprised. However, seeing that he dared to bet with his own head against the saber, she could not help but admiring his guts. Actually, Wei Xiaobao was so frightened a moment ago that he peed in his pants; his crotch was dripping wet, only no one else knew about it.
The lamas saber carried such a tremendous force that as it hit Wei Xiaobaos back, his ribs were almost broken. Leaning against the haystack, he could not bear not to groan. The nun in white said, Quickly give him the snow ginseng jade toad pill.
Where is the pill? Ah Ke asked Wei Xiaobao.
In my pocket, Wei Xiaobao replied, I might not be able to live.
Ah Ke took the jade bottle from his pocket, pulled the cork, and tipped one pill out of the bottle. Then she put the cork back, and returned the jade bottle into Wei Xiaobaos pocket. Quickly take it! she said.
Wei Xiaobao reached out to take it, but he pretended that he could not lift his hand. Grudgingly Ah Ke brought the pill to his mouth. Seeing her snow white, tender and delicate little hand, as soon as the pill entered his mouth, Wei Xiaobao puckered his lips to kiss it. Ah Ke hastily pulled her hand, but his lips brushed the back of her hand. Ah! she cried out.
Wei Xiaobao said in loud voice, Shifu, these lamas speak like releasing dog fart. They said they were going to chop my head, but they chopped my back instead. And now only three left, let disciple strike them dead with the splitting mountain striking ox divine fist!
When Sangjie and the others heard this, they withdrew several steps back. The three of them talked among themselves for a moment, and then they took out some flints to light up several stalks of hay, and tossed the burning stalks onto the haystack. The first three stalks fell on empty space. Sangjie lighted another stalk and ran several zhang forward, and then threw the stalk as hard as he could, while clapping his palms in front of his body as a shield. Afraid that Wei Xiaobao would attack him with the splitting mountain striking ox divine fist, he immediately leaped back.
As soon as the haystack met the fire, it was burned instantly. Wei Xiaobao pulled the nun in white out of the haystack. Looking all around, he saw a cave on the rocky hill to the west. Having not enough time to check, he said, Ah Ke, quickly help Shifu to that cave over there to hide, I am going to block these lamas.
Taking two steps toward Sangjie, he called out, You are too brazen; unexpectedly you are not afraid of Xiao Yes [young master] splitting mountain striking ox divine fist and protecting head golden crown divine skill. Sangjie, you are the leader, quickly come here and take two punches from Xiao Ye.
Sangjie was cautious; momentarily he really did not dare to pursue, but then he thought about the importance of the sutra, plus the ten of his martial brothers who had lost their lives. If he gave up just like that, what would remain of his illustrious name? He saw the nun in white was walking slowly with the help of that young lady; if she was not injured, then she must be sick. It was indeed a golden opportunity for him, could it be that he could not even beat the little kid in front of him? Its just that his martial art was so strange that those who got hit died instantly. Hence he hesitated and momentarily did not know what to do.
When Wei Xiaobao turned his head, he saw the nun in white and Ah Ke had almost reached the cave. He turned back and shouted, You dont dare to have a martial art match with me, laozi is going to come forward to kill you; why havent you run away?
These words actually revealed the horses leg. Sangjie thought, If you really have the ability to kill me, why didnt you simply charge forward? You told me to run away, that means you are scared of me in your heart. Laughing maliciously, he stretched out both hands, the bones in his body were cracking as he took two steps forward.
Wei Xiaobao groaned inwardly, Bad; what trick can I use this time to kill him?
By this time the haystack behind him was roaring with fire, the tongues of the fire almost licked his body; he mused, Laozi better hide in the cave first, and then think of some other way slowly. Thinking about hiding in a cave, his heart was immediately happy. If the cave was so dark that they could not see anything, he might be able to grope around Ah Kes body. He stooped down to pick Hubayins hand from the dead lamas grip and put it into his pocket.
Seeing Sangjie took several more steps forward, he called loudly, Its too hot in here, laozis divine skill cannot be used. If you have guts, go over there and have match with me. Finished speaking he turned around and ran toward the cave. When he entered the cave, he saw the nun in white and Ah Ke had already sat on the ground. This cave was actually only a cavity on the mountain wall, there was not enough place to hide at all; the cave was not dark either, plus Ah Ke sat leaning on the nun in white, hence it was impossible for him to grope around. He could not help but feeling a bit disappointed.
Sangjie and the two lamas slowly walked toward the front of the cave, and stopped when they were about three zhang from the cave. Sangjie called out, You have stepped onto a dead end, there is no way out. Get the torches! The two lamas picked the stalks and handed them over to him.
Wei Xiaobao said, Very good, quickly throw the torches over, and see if you can burn us to death. I am afraid the Forty-two-chapter sutra will also be burned very quickly.
Sangjie held the burning stalk high, he was just about to hurl it toward the cave, but when he heard that, he felt that Wei Xiaobao was right; if he wanted to burn the three of them to death, he would also destroy the sutra. Thereupon he tossed the torch aside and called out, Quickly hand over the sutra, your Buddha master is merciful, I will let you walk the path of life.
Wei Xiaobao said, You kowtow eighteen times in front of my Shifu, my Shifu is merciful, she will let you walk the path of life.
I recall reading several parts in ASTITP there were passages that XSL seduced with his eyes then stuck his hand in [female, lady, whomever]'s shirt, something bosom heaving, powerless to stop him, ripping off clothes - yeah it was straight out of a Harlequinn novel. Also kept on mentioning his knack for bathing with his dozen wives and maids - so yeah, WXB's accidental grab and molesting Ah Ke with a fake hand is joky and playful compared to XSL.
So in WXB's mind, he won the bet with Ah Ke therefore Ah Ke will obey him forever [be his wife]. By his own code of rules he will always abide by the outcome whether winning or losing.
Do you guys think that (at this point of the story)?
1) Ah Ke is reneging on the deal [refusing to acknowledge or marry him]
2) WXB is in the wrong completely and totally, there was no deal in the first place
Per Ah Ke's own words, she did agree to the deal. She has already experienced WXB's wit and courage, so had she used her brain, WXB wouldn't have the chance to use her words against her. WXB is definitely not a gentleman and now has a valid reason to make Ah Ke his wife. Beauty without brain and a bad personality .


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Where I stayed
We sat and had wine with a German couple on their annual vacation. They had great difficulty grasping our lifestyle. Not having a home base, close to family and lifelong friends seemed most disconcerting to them. How did it make us feel not to have a place of belonging, comfort and security? We admitted times of loneliness and missing our loved ones, but at the same time we believe that being freed from the chains of domesticity gives way to the thrills of unknown experiences and the joy of adventure.
We travelled slowly south, along the coast road. Glorious still bays to our right, sheer high rocky mountains to our left. On occasion we would stop for a swim, a stroll, or to lie and soak up the rays of the sun. At Karlobag we met Sergije, a local artist. He invited us to view his garden. He was building it in the relic grounds of a 15th century fortress. We sat on his balcony and watched as the sun set, making the stone walls change colour from gold to white. We drank Plumb Brandy graciously (as it had a very strong unpleasant taste about it) and listened to local Croatian music. In the morning we sat on the rocks at the shoreline and drank tea. A yacht set sail and we watched it until it was a mere spec on the distant horizon. We thought of our dear friends Mark, Talia, Emily and Tobey and contemplated where they sailed. Our pace had finally mellowed and we enjoyed its tranquility. Time to reflect, ponder, relax.
From Zada we took a cruise around the islands of Pag, Dugi Otok, Uglijan, Pasmam and many other smaller islands. We stopped at a salt lake for a swim and returned slowly to Zadar. The weather was perfect, 29 degrees, sunny and still.
The next day we took a tour to Plitvicka Lakes, the largest of Croatia's National Parks. The bus trip to the park was hairy, scary. The wind was so strong it rocked the bus sideways as it wound its way around the mountains. The driver slowed to a crawl. The Aussie couple sitting behind us were glad to have their passports with them, should we be blown over the edge they would be easily identified. The conditions continued to deteriorate and it started to snow. Part of the road was closed as it was considered to dangerous to traverse. We were happy to have arrived late but safely.
We trekked our way along the wooden footpaths through the Park in the rain. The Lakes are unique due to the sedimentation of calcium carbonate. Over time it fossilises tree branches and the like that fall into its depths. 75 endemic plants have been identified, these are species that are not found anywhere else in the world. The water was clear, pure and on a hot day it would be most inviting, but it is forbidden to swim. In the high season more than 30,000 visit the Park each day.
At lunch we listened to a German couple disgruntled about the Greeks. They didn't see why Germany should continue to help them. Their view was that the Greeks were too lavish and spent way beyond their means. In Greece, many professions were entitled to a retirement pension at the age of 50. There was talk that the Greeks were sick of being told what to do by the European Union (EU) and wished to leave it.
Meanwhile, the Croatians had signed to enter the EU, becoming official Mid 2013. Yet, the Germans said that the EU was not working. It would be impossible to ever unite Europe. So many countries with 27 different languages, this barrier alone caused consternation. Agreements must be translated into every language, which was tedious. Learning English, as the international language was beneficial. However, this also had its drawbacks. The French, they claimed, were too proud to learn and the Turkish simply created their own regions within countries and lived by their own rules, refusing to integrate at all.
The Croatians were very well educated, it was common for a lawyer or other highly qualified person to be driving a taxi or working in a bar (our guide was a Latin and French Professor). The work opportunities were not available to them. A taxi driver told us he worked 12 hour days to earn 30,000 Kuna a month (around A$600) and rent for his apartment was 18,000/month (more than half his earnings). He believed he would never be able to afford to own a car, let alone a house.
Whilst the economic times were getting more difficult, the bars, restaurants and cafes were still overflowing. People were taking vacations, seeing new sights, hadn't forgotten how to laugh and appeared happy. 500ml cans of beer could be purchased for 35 cents and 50% Smernoff Vodka, (1 litre bottle) for around $10, we're sure this helps with the happiness barometer. He he he ha ha ha - burp.
The Australian couple on our tour travelled frequently and on a budget. Jim liked to hike solo. He had taken 6 weeks to walk the Bibbulmun Track in Australia and had also completed a number of Catholic Pilgrimages through Europe. Last year he had walked from Spain, through France to Rome. For this the Pope resolved him of all his sins and issued him a passport guaranteeing his entry to heaven - that sounds too easy. They were used to travelling light. The total wieght of their backpacks was only 8kgs each - amazing? Alo can't see how this could be possible even for a weekend, hairdryer and curlers alone weigh that much, not to mention shoes he he he.
We made a call back home. All OK at Bill's parents, but Alo's Mum's getting a tad confused with 80 not being 18. She was standing on a chair to get a heater from the back of a cupboard and fell. Thankfully the local doctor knows of her folks dogged determination to remain independent (not to mention the good old Aussie spirit of 'she'll be right mate') and makes home visits. The doctor insisted an ambulance be called. Alo's Mum was taken to hospital where it was found she had broken her hip. Our thoughts and wishes are with her to make a speedy recovery.
We would have liked to stay in Croatia longer, but continued as far as Split then decided to split and head for Greece.

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Ice cores show old earth?
December 10, 2007, 12:18:40 PM »
AJ made some confusing comments today about the Biblical creation mixed with 20,000 year old ice core samples/tree rings, clearly grasping at straws to support the old earth that has been debunked as pagan mythology.
First off claiming this is a devisive thread is choosing sides on the side of the globalist who are pagans and run our Marxist indoctrination system, so, I just want to get out of the way that it is
claims made by Alex Jones
on radio that are devisive, with untold numbers of listeners including children, about 20,000 + year old anything including ice core samples, that not only
be substantiated by him or anybody else, but can be proven wrong by a phone caller calling in too disagree on air. It is Alex Jones' comments that were devisive. I have sent AJ materials recommended that shows the undeniable fallacies of these pagan claims of 'science'. He has either chosen not to seek out this material or does not care.
There are no trees over 4500 years old.
Ice cores show old pagan earth?
By: Larry Vardiman, Ph.D.
Based on flow models, the variation of oxygen isotopes, the concentration of carbon dioxide in trapped air bubbles, acid concentrations, and particulates, they believe the lowest layers of the ice sheets were laid down over 160,000 years ago. Annual oscillations of such quantities are often evident in the record near the top of the ice sheets.
Are these records in the ice legitimate? Do they cause a problem for the recent-creation model of earth history? What are we to make of these data? This article will show that the great ages reported for the bottom layers of ice sheets depend on assumed models of past climate. Direct counting of annual layers is valid downward in the ice sheets for 2-3,000 years in the past, but prior to that there are many gaps in the record and the layers are probably not due to annual accumulation. An alternative model of ice sheet formation following the Flood described in Genesis will be suggested.
World War II Airplanes Under the Ice
The Greenland Society of Atlanta has excavated a 10-foot diameter shaft in the Greenland ice sheet in the late 1980s to remove two B-17 Flying Fortresses and six P-38 Lightning fighters trapped under an estimated 250 feet of ice for almost 50 years (Bloomberg, 1989). Aside from the fascination with salvaging several vintage aircraft for parts and movie rights, the fact that these aircraft were buried so deeply in such a short time focuses attention on the time scales used to estimate the chronologies of ice core data.
If the aircraft were buried under about 250 feet of ice and snow in about 50 years, this means the ice sheet has been accumulating at an average rate of five feet per year. The Greenland ice sheet averages almost 4000 feet thick. If we were to assume the ice sheet has been accumulating at this rate since its beginning, it would take less than 1000 years for it to form and the recent-creation model might seem to be vindicated.
Greenland Ice Cores
However, life is never as simple as implied above. In making our calculations, we did not take into account the compaction of the snow into ice as it is weighted down by the snow above. Neither did we consider the thinning of ice layers as the tremendous weight above forces the ice at lower levels to squeeze out horizontally. More importantly, we did not consider the average precipitation rate and actual depths of ice for different locations on the Greenland ice sheet.
When these factors are taken into account, the average annual thickness of ice at Camp Century located near the southern tip of Greenland is believed to vary from about fourteen inches near the surface to less than two inches near the bottom (Hammer, et al., 1978). If, for simplicity, we assume the average annual thickness to be the mean between the annual thickness at the top and at the bottom (about eight inches), this still gives an age of less than 6000 years for the 4000-foot-thick ice sheet to form under uniformitarian conditions.
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December 10, 2007, 12:22:44 PM »
Evidence for a Young World/Universe
by Dr. Russell Humphreys, Ph.D., ICR associate professor of physics
1. Galaxies wind themselves up too fast.
2. Too few supernova remnants.
3. Comets disintegrate too quickly.
4. Not enough mud on the sea floor.
5. Not enough sodium in the sea.
6. The earths magnetic field is decaying too fast.
7. Many strata are too tightly bent.
8. Biological material decays too fast.
9. Fossil radioactivity shortens geologic ages to a few years.
10. Too much helium in minerals.
11. Too much carbon 14 in deep geologic strata.
12. Not enough Stone Age skeletons.
13. Agriculture is too recent.
14. History is too short.
The Fossil Record
...Evolutionists have constructed the Geologic Column in order to illustrate the supposed progression of "primitive" life forms to "more complex" systems we observe today. Yet, "since only a small percentage of the earth's surface obeys even a portion of the geologic column the claim of their having taken place to form a continuum of rock/life/time over the earth is therefore a fantastic and imaginative contrivance.1" "The lack of transitional series cannot be explained as being due to the scarcity of material. The deficiencies are real, they will never be filled."2 This supposed column is actually saturated with "polystrate fossils" (fossils extending from one geologic layer to another) that tie all the layers to one time-frame. "To the unprejudiced, the fossil record of plants is in favor of special creation." 3
Decay of Earth's Magnetic Field
... Dr. Thomas Barnes, Emeritus Professor of Physics at the University of Texas at El Paso, has published the definitive work in this field.4 Scientific observations since 1829 have shown that the earth's magnetic field has been measurably decaying at an exponential rate, demonstrating its half-life to be approximately 1,400 years. In practical application its strength 20,000 years ago would approximate that of a magnetic star. Under those conditions many of the molecules necessary for life processes could not form. These data demonstrate that earth's entire history is young, within a few thousand of years.
The Global Flood
... The Biblical record clearly describes a global Flood during Noah's day. Additionally, there are hundreds of Flood traditions handed down through cultures all over the world. 5 M.E. Clark and Henry Voss have demonstrated the scientific validity of such a Flood providing the sedimentary layering we see on every continent. 6 Secular scholars report very rapid sedimentation and periods of great carbonate deposition in earth's sedimentary layers..7 It is now possible to prove the historical reality of the Biblical Flood.8
Polystrate tree fossil
, a result of rappid deposition flood sediment.
Population Statistics
...World population growth rate in recent times is about 2% per year. Practicable application of growth rate throughout human history would be about half that number. Wars, disease, famine, etc. have wiped out approximately one third of the population on average every 82 years. Starting with eight people, and applying these growth rates since the Flood of Noah's day (about 4500 years ago) would give a total human population at just under six billion people. However, application on an evolutionary time scale runs into major difficulties. Starting with one "couple" just 41,000 years ago would give us a total population of 2 x 1089. 9 The universe does not have space to hold so many bodies.
Radio Halos
...Physicist Robert Gentry has reported isolated radio halos of polonuim-214 in crystalline granite. The half-life of this element is 0.000164 seconds! To record the existence of this element in such short time span, the granite must be in crystalline state instantaneously.10 This runs counter to evolutionary estimates of 300 million years for granite to form.
Human Artifacts throughout the Geologic Column
...Man-made artifacts - such as the hammer in Cretaceous rock, a human sandal print with trilobite in Cambrian rock, human footprints and a handprint in Cretaceous rock point to the fact that all the supposed geologic periods actually occurred at the same time in the recent past.11
Helium Content in Earth's Atmosphere
... Physicist Melvin Cook, found that helium-4 enters our atmosphere from solar wind and radioactive decay of uranium. At present rates our atmosphere would accumulate current helium-4 amounts in less than 10,000 years.12
Expansion of Space Fabric
...Astronomical estimates of the distance to various galaxies gives conflicting data.13 The Biblical Record refers to the expansion of space by the Creator14. Astrophysicist Russell Humphries demonstrates that such space expansion would dilate time in distant space.15 This could explain a recent creation with great distances to the stars.
Design in Living Systems
...A living cell is so awesomely complex that its interdependent components stagger the imagination and defy evolutionary explanations. A minimal cell contains over 60,000 proteins of 100 different configurations.16 The chance of this assemblage occurring by chance is 1 in 10 4,478,296 .17
Design in the Human Brain
...The human brain is the most complicated structure in the known universe.18 It contains over 100 billion cells, each with over 50,000 neuron connections to other brain cells.19 This structure receives over 100 million separate signals from the total human body every second. If we learned something new every second of our lives, it would take three million years to exhaust the capacity of the human brain. 20 In addition to conscious thought, people can actually reason, anticipate consequences, and devise plans - all without knowing they are doing so.21
1Woodmorappe, John, "The Essential Non-Existence of the Evolutionary Uniformitarian Geologic Column: A Quantitative Assessment," Creation Research Society Quarterly, vol. 18, no.1 (Terre Haute, Indiana, June 1981),pp. 46-71
2 Nilsson, N. Heribert, as quoted in Arthur C. Custance, The Earth Before Man, Part II, Doorway Papers, no. 20 (Ontario, Canada: Doorway Publications), p. 51
3Corner, E.J.H., Contemporary Botanical Thought, ed. A.M. MacLeod and L.S. Cobley (Chicago: Quadrangle Books, 1961), p. 97
4Barnes, Thomas, ICR Technical Monograph #4, Origin and Destiny of the Earth's Magnetic Field (2nd edition, 1983)
5Blick, Edward, A Scientific Analysis of Genesis (Oklahoma City: Hearthstone, 1991) p. 103
6Clark, M.E. and Voss, H.D., "Fluid Mechanic Examination of the Tial Mechanism for Producing Mega-Sedimantary Layering" (Third International Conference on Creation, Pittsburg, July 1994)
7Ager, Derek, The Nature of the Stratigraphical Record (New York: John Wiley and Sons) p. 43 and p. 86
8West, John Anthony, Serpent in the Sky: The High Wisdom of Ancient Egypt (New York: Julian Press, 1987) pp. 13-14
9 See Morris, Henry, Scientific Creationism (El Cajon, CA: Master Books)
10Gentry, Robert, Creation's Tiny Mystery (Knoxville, Tenn.: Earth Science Assoc.,1988)
11 Baugh, Carl, Why Do Men Believe Evolution AGAINST ALL ODDS? (Oklahoma City: Hearthstone, 1999)
12Cook, Melvin, "Where is The Earth's Radiogenic Helium?" Nature, Vol. 179, p. 213
13Cowan, R., "Further Evidence of a Youthful Universe," Science News, Vol. 148, p. 166
14Psalm 104:2; Isaiah 40:22
15Humphries, Russell, Starlight and Time (Green Forest, AR: Master Books, 1994)
16Denton, Michael, Evolution: A Theory in Crisis (Bethesda, Maryland: Adler & Adler, 1986) p. 263
17 Mastropaolo, Joseph, "Evolution Is Biologically Impossible," Impact # 317 (El Cajon, CA: Institute For Creation Research,1999) p. 4
18Restak, Richard, The Brain: The Last Frontier, 1979, p. 390
19The Brain, Our Universe Within, PBS Video
20Wonders of God's Creation, Moody Video Series
21Weiss, Joseph, "Unconscious Mental Functioning," Scientific American, March 1990, p. 103
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December 10, 2007, 01:58:53 PM »
Fascinating stuff.
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Re: Ice cores show old earth?
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December 10, 2007, 03:32:09 PM »
Ive had enough of reading things by neurotic,
psychotic, pigheaded politicians, all I want is the truth, just gimme some truth.
(John Lennon)
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December 15, 2007, 06:08:57 AM »
OK, are you simply a Christian who believes in young earth creationism, or ... what?
Because there are plenty of people who can give evidence for an exceedingly old earth.
Also those who can give evidence that an empire called "Atlantis" once existed.
Hanlon's razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Re: Ice cores show old earth?
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December 15, 2007, 02:02:20 PM »
Amishism is correct. For a boatload of info. on this topic go to-
There is both audio and video of Kent Hovind's amazing seminar. Note- Hovind is now in jail for fighting the income tax!
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Hile, Gunslingers!
Re: Ice cores show old earth?
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December 15, 2007, 02:10:35 PM »
The world has moved on.
Re: Ice cores show old earth?
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December 15, 2007, 02:14:51 PM »
Dinosaurs go GRRRRRRRRR!!
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December 15, 2007, 09:51:02 PM »
Interesting. Although I don't agree with his science at all, I remain convinced that he could be the victim of persecution by the government for his theories.
Imprisonment for "income tax fraud" is a BS charge that dates at least to the imprisonment of Al Capone.
Hanlon's razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
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December 15, 2007, 10:54:49 PM »
Hovind actually ran his ministry (tax wise) the same as big shot Rick Warren does. It's fishy how Hovind can get thrown in jail, and Warren can have Hillary Clinton go to his church and speak. hmmmm.....
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December 15, 2007, 11:26:29 PM »
Yeah, my thoughts exactly.
Don't worry, all you have to do is agree with the "official" theology and they'll leave you alone. That chip they want to put in the right hand or forehead? No no, that can't be the mark of the Beast at all...
Hanlon's razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
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December 20, 2007, 12:24:28 AM »
I followed the Kent Hovind tax story. He did what the IRS told him to do and they even admitted it. They then convicted him of failure to withhold taxes from employees and the media claimed that he failed to pay taxes which he owed. They really railroaded him. That is and always has been a sign that someone is doing God's work.
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December 20, 2007, 08:09:05 AM »
If anyone wants to keep track of the Hovind situation go to
. Hovind's letters from jail are posted there and also news updates. Also, his info. is very good and he handles his copyright the same as Alex Jones does, so if anyone wants to get active you can download his materials, burn them to DVD and hand out to people. The link for that is
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December 20, 2007, 11:06:52 AM »
Here is a 140 million-year-old "fossilized" hammer:
Not to mention all the ancient figurines, and pictographs showing tribes doing battle with dinosaurs:
But what probably happened, was these ancient people simply were really into archeology, and they excavated some millions-year-old fossils, accurately reconstructed the extinct dinos using river clay, and THEN drew the pictures of them.
Going to church does not make you a Christian any more than going to a hospital makes you a doctor.
Stop thinking in terms of left and right and start thinking in terms of right and wrong
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Ice Cores and the Age of the Earth
by Larry Vardiman, Ph.D.
It is not uncommon to read that ice cores from the polar regions contain records of climatic change from the distant past. Research teams from the United States, the Soviet Union, Denmark, and France have bored holes over a mile deep into the ice near the poles and removed samples for analysis in their laboratories.
Based on flow models, the variation of oxygen isotopes, the concentration of carbon dioxide in trapped air bubbles, the presence of oxygen isotopes, acid concentrations, and particulates, they believe the lowest layers of the ice sheets were laid down over 160,000 years ago. Annual oscillations of such quantities are often evident in the record.
Are these records in the ice legitimate? Do they cause a problem for the recent-creation model of earth history? What are we to make of these data? This article will show that the great ages reported for the bottom layers of ice sheets depend on assumed models of past climate and are not the result of direct counting of layers. An alternative model of recent glacier formation following the Flood described in Genesis will be suggested.
World War II Airplanes Under the Ice
The Greenland Society of Atlanta has recently attempted to excavate a 10-foot diameter shaft in the Greenland ice pack to remove two B-17 Flying Fortresses and six P-38 Lightning fighters trapped under an estimated 250 feet of ice for almost 50 years (Bloomberg, 1989). Aside from the fascination with salvaging several vintage aircraft for parts and movie rights, the fact that these aircraft were buried so deeply in such a short time focuses attention on the time scales used to estimate the chronologies of ice.
If the aircraft were buried under about 250 feet of ice and snow in about 50 years, this means the ice sheet has been accumulating at an average rate of five feet per year. The Greenland ice sheet averages almost 4000 feet thick. If we were to assume the ice sheet has been accumulating at this rate since its beginning, it would take less than 1000 years for it to form and the recent-creation model might seem to be vindicated.
Greenland Ice Cores
However, life is never as simple as implied above. In making our calculations, we did not take into account the compaction of the snow into ice as it is weighted down by the snow above. Neither did we consider the thinning of ice layers as the tremendous weight above forces the ice at lower levels to squeeze out horizontally. More importantly, we did not consider the average precipitation rate and actual depths of ice for different locations on the Greenland ice sheet.
When these factors are taken into account, the average annual thickness of ice at Camp Century located near the northern tip of Greenland is believed to vary from about fourteen inches near the surface to less than two inches near the bottom (Hammer, et al., 1978). If, for simplicity, we assume the average annual thickness to be the mean between the annual thickness at the top and at the bottom (about eight inches), this still gives an age of less than 6000 years for the 4000-foot-thick ice sheet to form under uniformitarian conditions.
This is in relatively good agreement with the number of annual oscillations of ð18O currently observed in Greenland cores. Although occasional ambiguities occur, it is relatively easy to count annual layers downward from the surface through considerable depths in the Greenland ice sheet. This is possible because of the large precipitation rates in Greenland and the preservation of the annual effects.
It is also possible with a high degree of accuracy to cross check the counting of annual layers with occasional peaks in acidity and particulates from the fallout of historic volcanic events. Hammer, et al. (1978) have correlated the peaks in the mean acidity of annual layers from 553 to 1972 A.D. with historic volcanic events. About a dozen historical volcanic eruptions are evident in the ice core from Crete in central Greenland. Several unknown eruptions are also documented in the ice core record.
The confidence in the chronology becomes less the lower in the ice sheet one goes, however. The amplitude of the annual oscillations slowly decreases relative to other factors, and historic markers are fewer and farther apart. Glaciologists estimate that uncertainties in identification of layers will probably limit the number of countable layers to less than about 8,500 (Hammer, et al., 1978).
Antarctic Ice Cores
The claims that layers of ice were formed 160,000 years ago or more come primarily from interpretation of ice cores in Antarctica (Jouzel, et al., 1987; Barnola, et al., l987). The Soviet Antarctic Expeditions at Vostok in East Antarctica recovered an ice core which was almost 7,000 feet long in a region where the total ice thickness is about 12,000 feet (Lorius, et al., 1979; Lorius, et al., 1985). Since the current precipitation rate is so much less than Greenland (on the order of one inch per year) the crude calculation of age, without corrections for compression and horizontal motion for the lowest layers is more than 100,000 years.
However, such estimates are critically based on the assumption that the accumulation rate has not varied greatly over the past. Unlike the Greenland ice cores, annual oscillations of ð18O and other parameters cannot be traced deeply into the ice sheet on Antarctica. In Greenland, the high precipitation rates not only provide relatively thick annual layers for analysis, but the accumulating snow quickly seals off the ice beneath and protects the record from metamorphosis by pressure and temperature changes in the atmosphere. In Antarctica, by the time the ice has been buried deeply enough to no longer be influenced by the atmosphere, annual variations have been greatly dampened by diffusion (Epstein, et al., 1965; Johnsen, et al., 1972).
The technique used to estimate the age of an ice layer deep in the ice sheet is to measure its ð18O content and compute the atmospheric temperature which is observed to produce such concentrations today (Jouzel and Merlivat, 1984). Through a second-known relation between temperature and precipitation rate, again observed in today's atmosphere, the accumulation rate for a given layer is calculated (Lorius, et al., 1985). Once the accumulation rate is calculated for each layer, the depth and age for each layer in the ice is calculated by integrating the annual accumulation downward from the surface.
There are several historical markers in Antarctica which can be used to cross check these calculations for the past few thousand years. But historical volcanic events are not known beyond a few thousand years in the past which provide any certainty to the calculation of age. This method would be reasonably reliable if precipitation rates had been similar in the past. However, some creationist models predict significant quantities of snow immediately after the Flood (Oard, 1990). Perhaps as much as 95% of the ice near the poles could have accumulated in the first 500 years or so after the Flood.
Wild ice-core interpretations by uniformitarian scientists
by Michael J. Oard
The wild oscillations in the oxygen isotope ratio during the Ice Age is interpreted by uniformitarian scientists as catastrophic changes in temperature in the North Atlantic region. These are used to justify speculation on rapid climate change in the present climate due to increased greenhouse gasses. It is the uniformitarian stretched-out time scale that is the main cause of the problem. Within a creationist model,1 the large fluctuations can be explained by events during the Ice Age. With much thicker annual layers in the Ice Age portion of the core, the oscillations could simply be annual layers caused by seasonal changes in temperature or more prolonged changes in temperature caused by variable volcanic dust loading in the stratosphere.
Interpretation of ice cores is another example where different assumptions, using the very same data, result in quite different conclusions.
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500,000 years
5000.00 years
False History
by David Down
Bible history of Israel is divided into four neat eras for which we should expect solid archaeological evidence. First, the Exodus and military occupation of Palestine followed by the period of the Judges. There should be evidence of destruction and fire (of the Canaanite civilization), and above that, the appearance of a new people (the Israelites) with new pottery styles, different burial practices and manufacturing skills (Exodus 35:3035).
This is exactly what we find at the end of the Early Bronze Age and the beginning of the Middle Bronze I Period. Kathleen Kenyon, who excavated Jericho, wrote in her book, The final end of the early Bronze Age civilization came with catastrophic completeness. The last of the Early Bronze Age walls of Jericho was built in a great hurry, using old and broken bricks, and was probably not completed when it was destroyed by fire. Little or none of the town inside the walls has survived subsequent denudation, but it was probably completely destroyed, for all the finds show that there was an absolute break, and that a new people took the place of the earlier inhabitants. Every town in Palestine that has so far been investigated shows the same break. The newcomers were nomads, not interested in town life, and they so completely drove out or absorbed the old population, perhaps already weakened and decadent, that all traces of the Early Bronze Age civilization disappeared.
An absolute break a new people every town in Palestine newcomers were nomads completely drove out or absorbed the old population . Could we expect to find a more apt description of the Israelite invasion, nomads from the desert who initially were not interested in living in the cities?
Left: A thick layer of black ash from the end of the Early Bronze period at Jericho.
Right: Tel Dothan, typical of the mounds containing the ruins of Old Testment cities.
Still more correlation
Next came the period of affluence and power during the centuries of the Israelite monarchy. Concerning the Middle Bronze IIB Period, prominent Israeli archaeologist Dr Amihai Mazar wrote, The Middle Bronze Age architecture was to a large extent innovative and original. Together with the massive fortifications of this period, it evidences a thriving, prosperous urban culture. The magnitude of the palaces and temples manifests the wealth and power concentrated in the hands of the autocracy and theocracy of the period.5
Then came the exile into Assyria and Babylon when large portions of the population were despatched into captivity. Soon after the Assyrian conquest of Israel, the prophet Isaiah wrote, Your land is wasted, your cities burned with fire. Strangers devour your land right before your eyes, and it is wasted, as overthrown by strangers (Isaiah 1:7). We should find in the next layer, the Late Bronze Age, evidence of a depleted population, and we do.
Israeli archaeologist Israel Finklestein wrote, The entire country flourished in MB IIB fortified cities, villages, and individual farmswere founded throughout the region . In contrast to the extraordinary prosperity of MB II, the Late Bronze period was characterized by a severe crisis in settlement . Moreover, those sites where occupation did continue, frequently shrank in size.6
Fourth came the return from exile, when many of the Israelites migrated back to their original lands. The whole congregation together was forty-two thousand, three hundred and sixty (Ezra 2:64). Finklestein says, The Iron I period again witnessed a dramatic swing in the population of the hill country, this time in the opposite direction.7 And then he voices the dilemma that faces archaeologists because of their wrong dates: MB II, Late Bronze and Iron I periods leave two critical questions for which satisfactory answers must be found: Why and to where did over half of the MB II population, i.e., virtually all the inhabitants of the hill country, vanish? From where did the people who settled the hundreds of sites in Iron I materialize?7 If Israel Finklestein changed his dates, he would soon have the answers.
It was a period of danger and hardship. Building activity was slow. The ones who built on the wall, and the ones who carried burdens; with those who were lifting, one a worker in the work, and one held a weapon (Nehemiah 4:17). This then is the early Iron Age, which Mr Lazare so loudly trumpets to be a period of poverty, which cannot fit the reign of Solomon. You are right, Mr Lazare. It does not fit the reign of Solomon, but if you get your dates right, it perfectly fits the return from exile.
Let the archaeological history be rewritten, then, and it will be found to give remarkable support to the Biblical records. David and Solomon did exist and were the triumphant builders of a great nation that dominated Palestine and the surrounding areas.
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Quote from: TimeLady on December 15, 2007, 06:08:57 AM
OK, are you simply a Christian who believes in young earth creationism, or ... what?
Because there are plenty of people who can give evidence for an exceedingly old earth.
Also those who can give evidence that an empire called "Atlantis" once existed.
evidence please
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He is not saying HE believes in Atlantis, just that some people do. Like alien spacecraft or reptilian shapeshifters or 9/11 inside job or....well...I hope you get the idea.
Atlantis may very well have existed, but was lost in the flood.
Going to church does not make you a Christian any more than going to a hospital makes you a doctor.
Stop thinking in terms of left and right and start thinking in terms of right and wrong
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Quote from: Kregener on April 04, 2008, 03:45:39 PM
He is not saying HE believes in Atlantis, just that some people do. Like alien spacecraft or reptilian shapeshifters or 9/11 inside job or....well...I hope you get the idea.
Atlantis may very well have existed, but was lost in the flood.
timelady is a HE? things are definetly not what they seem.
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Quote from: lord edward coke on April 05, 2008, 06:54:10 PM
timelady is a HE? things are definetly not what they seem.
and such. Really, it's too early for me to be making Timecube-based rants.
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and such. Really, it's too early for me to be making Timecube-based rants.
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my fav. tech album is by far kod but u cant keep making that type of shit for reasons more than u think(i believe) which is why tech said himself it hurt him to make that album or w.e he said about it) however hes at his best with music like that i just hope his next album has a decent dose of it
I wouldnt say his music is "getting gay" I also think he's getting better...more diverse than just about anyone at this point. I remember listening to his song Questions more than 10 years ago and thought man this guy is cool..I kept comparing him to Twista but he wasn't quite on par. And now i'm like look at him now...he has more technique than anyone.
Anyhoo...I really apriciate what he's doin for music but...I would also like to hear more gangsta tracks. like Saute,Victory,No Can Do.
K.O.D. wasn't really Gangsta at all to me. even with Come Gangsta...which was the shit..but it was all on that downsouth sound...
If we could get some WestCoast summertime Dogg Pound Dr.Dre Snoop Pac that would be lovely. Not that i'm tryin to take it back just that I know Tech makes great gangsta rap and I'd love to hear more of it.
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Atiim Kiambu Hakeem-Ah Barber
Position: RB
Height: 5-10 Weight: 200 lbs.
Born: April 7, 1975 in Roanoke, VA
College: Virginia (school history) (Barber college stats)
Drafted by the New York Giants in the 2nd round (36th overall) of the 1997 NFL Draft.
Weighted Career AV (100-95-...): 99 (145th overall since 1950)
Relatives: Brother of Ronde Barber
3-time Pro Bowler & 1-time First-Team All-Pro (fine print)