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I'm mainly using prime lenses on my D700, but I have my 70 300Vr, for its longer focal length, however, I'd like to wait on true tests to deter man if I can use it and discard the 70 300.
I'm very happy to see a F4, lens in the line up besides existing versions.
The new AF-S Nikkor 70-200mm f/4G ED VR is a compact, fixed-aperture F4 zoom designed for use on Nikon's new generation of FX format DSLRs. Smaller in all dimensions than its more costly F2.8 cousin, the slimmed-down $1400 lens has been long-awaited by Nikon users looking jealously at Canon's venerable EF 70-200mm f/4L IS USM.
Dpreview is at the Photo Plus Expo tradeshow in New York, and we were given an exclusive opportunity to get our hands on a pre-production sample of the new 70-200mm. Although we weren't able to save any images, we were able to get a feel for the handling, the AF speed, and the efficiency of the claimed 5-stop Vibration Reduction system.
Starting with the handling, the first thing that you notice when you pick up the new lens is how small it is, relative to Nikon's flagship F2.8 variant. Slimmer, lighter, and smaller in all dimensions, the new 70-200mm F4 is a genuinely portable optic, and in terms of handling, an ideal companion for one of Nikon's smaller FX DSLRs, like the D800/E or recently-announced D600. Something that's easy to miss in the spec-sheet is that the new lens has a filter thread of 67mm, compared to the more common 77mm on other high-end Nikon zooms. This makes it slightly but noticeably slimmer than Nikon's AF-S Nikkor 24-120mm f/4G ED VR zoom; compared to Canon's equivalent model, it's about the same size, but around 90g / 3.2oz heavier. There's no official word on exactly how weatherproof the new lens is, but there's the usual rubber gasket around the mount, which makes a water and dust-resistant seal between camera and lens.
On a D600, focusing feels all but instant (despite the insistence of Nikon reps that the sample we used was 'unfinished') and the zoom action is smooth and well-damped. Because all of the lens movement (focus and zooming) is internal, the lens' dimensions never change.
In common with several recent high-end Nikon lenses, the AF-S Nikkor 70-200mm f/4G ED VR features a Nano Crystal coated element, which should reduce flare and internal reflections. Although not as versatile in poor light as its 2.8 cousin, the new lens features an improved Vibration Reduction system which Nikon claims should be able to deliver up to 5 EV of stabilization, potentially allowing you to get sharp pictures at shutter speeds as low as 1/6 sec at 200mm. Although this can't do anything about subject movement, it should greatly expand the usability of the lens in marginal lighting conditions.
We weren't able to save any images, but from a very quick test Nikon's claims of a 5-stop vibration reduction don't seem entirely unreasonable. At 200mm, hand-held, we were able to get consistently sharp results from shutter speeds at least as low as 1/15 sec, which matches the best lenses we've tested in the past. Impressive stuff, and we can't wait to get a production sample in our offices for full testing.
Samples Gallery
The AF-S Nikkor 70-200mm F4 ED VR arrived in our Seattle office a few days ago and since then we've been shooting with it as much as possible. We've put together a gallery of 34 images, shot with the new lens mounted on the 36MP Nikon D800. As well as straight-from-the-camera JPEGs, we've also converted several Raw files, and have made 'to taste' adjustments for best results. We're hoping to review this lens in early 2013, but until then, here's a preview real-world samples gallery.
AF-S Nikkor 70-200mm F4 ED VR Preview Samples - Published 5th December 2012 |
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For my use it seems great.
I will consider trading in my VRII f2.8 depending how it tests on IQ mounted on the D800e compared to the 2.8. I am also interested to see how it takes TC's.
I will not be an early adopter
No way would I trade my 2.8 VRII for this.
F4 is too slow to be of much use really - I have no idea why they have picked that point as a good thing to go with. Nothing in my bag is slower than 2.8 and never will be.
It makes no sense to trade. But it makes a good match for the D600. Unlike Canon whose f4 users are all 1.6x, really f4 are designed for FX sensors and now we have a 'consumer' one in D600.
I will keep my 2.8. I would rather get rid of the 70-300 for this as a lighter (than the 2.8) travel 70-200. I also dislike the lens extension in zooming to telephoto with the 70-300!
Who expected you to trade your 2,8? Why even bother to say a word, when it´s not of any worth to folks who ARE indeed interested in this lens?
This lens simply is not made for you! It is made for those who crave a more compact thing and 'who do not want to move over to Canon'!!! Is that so hard to understand? Everybody doesn´t think *exactly* the same as you do, or have the exact same needs as you have.
It is quite clear to me that many have hesitated to go for Nikon for the simple reason Nikon have ´til now not offered this lens type. The Canon 70-200/4L is one of the absolutely best lenses available at a "earthly" price. (I did own one before switching to Olympus)
Very strange then, that when Nikon at last do release a competitor, they get complaints. It´s close to laughable. I say this not knowing how good this lens will show itself to be, but I do think Nikon have taken their measures so they safely can launch it and get a good business from having it in their line up.
"Nothing in my bag is slower than 2.8 and never will be."
You wear a Rolex,too?
Pretty sure he was responding to the original post, wherein fibrit said he was considering swapping his f/2.8 for the f/4. All in all a pretty relevant response, surely?
I'm liking everything about this lens so far. Biggest issue for me will be the bokeh quality. Can this be a serious portrait lens in the way that the 70-200 f/2.8 is?
As far as bokeh quality, I've searched for some sample images of the Canon's F4, and have liked what I came up with. My guess is that the Nikon will be as good or better. If you already have the 70-200 2.8, you can shoot it at f4 to get an idea too. I am very tempted, for the weight, size and MFD.. My only hesitation to trade the 70-200vr2 for this is how well this lens takes TC's compared to 2.8. Can't justify picking this one up to add to the 2.8
It's look absolutely gorgeous. A totally drool worthy. Looks exactly like a mini 70-200 2.8 VR II. This will be my next lens for sure as I travel quite a bit and the big boy is a wonderful lens can be overkill for certain applications. It's nice to see the lens mounted on the D600. Seems like a nice, compact and solid.
I've been thinking of buying the older 80-200 2.8 ED, but I think I'd rather have this lens. Thank you, Nikon and thanks DPR for the preview.
It looks like it's missing something without the tripod collar mounted.
i would prefer and wait for the eventual RRS or Kirk collar which would mate directly to the ballhead.
I see lots of comparisons to the 70-200 2.8 but hardly any comparisons to the 70-300 VR (which has F4.5 - 5.3 in the 70-200 range)
Any good reason for me to get this new one if I already have the 70-300?
What sort of improvement could be expected?
Better VR
minimum focusing distance of 70-200 F4 is 3.28 ft vs 4.9 for the 70-300
Constant f4 aperture. Better build quality and handling because of tripod collar. The downside is it will be heavier.
The other downside is the enormous difference in price versus the 70-300. But I'm sure it will be sharper.
My 70-300mm VR extends on zooming, is soft past 200mm, changes exposure as you zoom, and is generally cheap-ish/plastic-y feeling.
I'll be selling mine on fleabay in short order -- along with a lot of other people, I'm sure! If the 70-300 suits your needs, you should be able to pick up a used copy for a very good price.
@fireplace33 My bad, you said you already had the 70-300, not that you'd be looking for one.
It may be just me, but it looks exactly like a Canon 70-200 f4. This is not a bad thing, the Canon lens is my go to for about 70% of my work. You Nikon guys are going to love having it.
What did you expect it to look like???? it's a 70-200 F4 with round shape glass and made in this world. On a more serious note it is not a design with Diffractive optics either so it's still round and as long as it has got to be. Also the Canon version is in beige/white and appears to be slightly slimmer-a minor detail overlooked maybe. But well done you appear to have a nice piece of Canon optics. I wander how you chose it an what you do with it.....
Where's my mid-range Nikon 50-150 f/2.8 for DX??? Been waiting years for it but Nikon throws out another 70-200 full frame lens. I'm sure many will be happy with this lens but I want a DX! At f/2.8 with VR it would be faster and probablly smaller than this lens. Still waiting.....
It's made in Japan by a company called Sigma, and it costs $999.
It's not small though - stabilization elements add a lot of heft to telephoto lenses (or if they are small, then they add a lot of vignetting and wreck image quality in the corners, e.g. Tamron 17-50 VC).
Stop waiting around for slowpoke Nikon - they don't really care about making new DX lenses besides slow kit zooms. Third party lenses, or leaving Nikon altogether, are your only options.
I wouldn't mind a compact 50-150 f/2.8 full frame Nikkor, with Nanocoating. Probably would use that lens a lot.
Interesting that Nikon put this lens out before updating all of the older stuff that needs a refresh (300 f/4, 80-400, 17-35 f/2.8, 17-55 f/2.8, 200mm macro, 180mm f/2.8, etc. etc.).
I guess they've gotta get some more mid-tier FX lenses out for people to use with the D600. But why? If you're paying up for an FX sensor and its extra stop of thinner DOF, then why put f/4 lenses on it?
It would be cheaper to just buy f/2.8 glass and DX bodies - same DOF control as f/4 on FX, but faster shutter speeds due to the larger aperture.
I wonder if anyone will buy this thing...
they will sell a ton of them. you forget that you have to deal with a narrower angle of view with that logic. often not desirable. sometimes is
Nikon doesn't make a DX 50-135mm f/2.8. This has annoyed me for a long time. However, Sigma makes an absolutely stunning 50-150 mm f/2.8 OS, sharp corner to corner at f/2.8 across the entire range, and costs less than the new Nikkor 70-200 mm f/4.
also you are assuming that someone only has one lens. they may have this and a few primes plus a 24-70 2.8 it depends what is important to them
What your missing is the size. Having used the Canon equivalent, such a lens is extremely manageable, but it provides most of the performance characteristics of the f2.8 lens. It's a great choice for outdoor photographers out in the field where weight is always a concern and the improved VR will make is extremely desirable for a wide range of applications including video shooters.
Not only will people buy this lens, myself included, but Nikon will sell boatloads of this lens. Canon's version is one of their most popular lenses and there will be tons of interest for Nikon users.
@viking79 For a DX Nature photographer, this new Nikon will be much more interesting than the 50-150 2.8. It will be like the Sigma 100-300 f4 on FF, but smaller and with VR.
Interesting they put out a 70-200 f/4 before 'refreshing' others? Because there is no modern 70-200 f/4 maybe.
so as a portrait photographer i look at this lens and wonder if i would be happy with the amount of subject seperation I got with it. Light wise on my d800 f 4 should be fine. I have a sigma hsm 2 70-200 f2.8 and I am planning to purchase the nikkor or the new tamron that is coming out in the next year depending on if the new tamrons performance is as impressive as the new tamron 24-70. The OS version of the sigma i have is unfortunately not sharp (stange since its predecessor was). I want to consider this as well but I have always relied on my 70-200 as the ultimate bokeh lens and I fear f/4 may not cut it all the time espeacially if the background is close to the subject. The current lens witch i generally shoot these type of shots at f/2.8 can out bokeh my 85mm nikkor prime. I guess the real way to get an answer on this is to throw some f/4 shots into portrait sessions and see how it looks. I wonder what you all think though
I'm sure it's POSSIBLE to get excellent background separation using this F4 lens (or any other lens for that matter) BUT then why do people use the 200mm F2? Why 85mm F1.4? I use my 70-200 F2.8 for portraits, so I say NO to F4. I refuse to "settle."
And I don't say this based on nothing either. When I close the aperture one stop, I can see a significant increase in DOF.
Yes. For example:
85mm F/2.8 at 5' gives FF portrait width of 2.1' and std dof of 2"
85mm F/4 at 5' gives portrait with of 2.1' and dof of 2.9"(almost 50% more in this example).
@Dan that's a very narrow minded view that portraits can only be shot with the widest apeture possible on a lens. Have you actually had experience to shoot portraits at smaller-than-wide-open apetures, because believe me its done quite often and to good effect.
@kayone to be fair he was responding to my direct question as to weather id be happy with the level of subject seperation.
If you want subject separation, for portraits the best choice is still the Nikkor f/2 135DC. That whole extra stop makes a big difference in depth of field. Plus it was designed as a portrait lens. Rent one and you'll never go back.
Kayone, I did not say that all portraits must be shot with a lens wide-open.
But since you brought that up, could please you tell me why one would want to stop-down a lens other than for increased sharpness (or other IQ related issues) or to get more of the subject or background in-focus?
@rfsIII yeah but s 70-200 is something I use 2000 situations besides just that. I use 85mm f/1.8 (witch is a freaking masterpiece for the money) as my goto portrait prime. In my opinion it is more versatile as well. a 135 f/2 just sound like a lens i will only use occasionally
Small? Light? Compared to the 2.8 you say. Specs please. And how about a size and weight comparison to Panasonic's new 35-100 2.8 for 4/3rds.
Why not compare size and weight to a 140-400mm zoom for a 6x7cm medium format camera?
I agree frank, this is very far from compact. Im also very surprised by the quality of the newer m4/3s bodies, it is very far from what the people claim it is (I suspect theyve never shot with one) and the new lenses are becoming a very strong reason to jump ship entirely.
Specs were published in yesterday's news story, and are widely available on the web. This is a quick writeup of my experience of handling the lens for less than half an hour, this morning.
It's 3.1 x 7.0" (7.87 x 17.78 cm), weighs 1.87 lb (.85 kg), has 3 ED elements, a 9-blade diaphragm and a removable tripod collar.
The Panasonic 35-100 2.8 is tiny compared to this lens with it's 58mm filter thread, 4" (10 cm) long barrel and 12.7 oz (360 g) weight.
But not only is the Panasonic, at $1499, more expensive than the Nikkor, it only covers m43 sensor, so it's not really fair comparison. Build quality if the Nikon lens is likely way more solid than the Panasonic lens. I have both types of cameras, but I'd much rather have the Nikon 70-200 f4.
But that small and light Panny lens only works with small and "light" (in relative performance) MFT sensors. I have both MFT and Nikon FX systems and the "equivalent" setups aren't equal.
Perhaps Mr. Britton is or will be able to provide objective comparisons of build quality and IQ between this lens and the Panasonic 35-100mm 2.8 in due course.
As far as personal preference is concerned, to each his or her own about what kind of system they use (and carry around) - 4/3rds, Full frame or medium format. I denigrate none.
Personally, 4/3rds image quality is as good as I need in practical terms, and 4/3rd lenses such as the 35-100m are as big as I want to lug around.
Comparing a full frame dSLR telephoto lens in size and weight to a MFT telephoto (I own an OM-D in addition to the D600) is a pretty stupid comparison. Your question should be comparision this f4 in size and weight to a 70-200 f2.8 dSLR telephoto lens.
I know you're being sarcastic, but I'll pretend you're being serious and respond accordingly: I gotta disagree, why compare the relative size and weight of equivalent telephoto lenses from two different camera systems, where the Nikon dSLRs are much larger than the MFT bodies. That's like comparing a child's shoe to an adult shoe because the wearers are completely different sizes. Kind of pointless.
because the fact remains its f4, and the mayority of people are gonna slap it on an APS C nikon and not a full frame. In that regard its f4, not weather sealed, and Im betting its plastic. If you really prefer a plastic non weather sealed f4 lens for your APS C than a weather sealed, metal, and f2.8 for m4/3s, and for more or less the same price something is wrong with you.
Can you DEFINITIVELY say whether or not it is weather sealed??? This is a huge question, and you are REMISS to not answer it, having handled the actual lens! I will note that Nikon spec sheets can no longer be relied upon, because they are no longer listing weather seals as a feature for multiple lenses that DO have it, including the 70-200/2.8G VR2. Please answer this question.
I BELIEVE all the gold ring lenses have it but dont quote me on it
calm down - no confirmed word on weather-sealing, but I can say that as expected, there's the usual rubber gasket around the mount, which makes a water and dust-resistant seal between camera and lens.
@Kodachrome200 - Not necessarily, the Nikkor 24-120 f/4 has the gold ring but does not offer substantial weather sealing along the lines of the f/2.8 gold ring zooms.
This thing about weather-sealing is overrated. I have used the D7k with the 12-24 in very wet weather w/o any problems.
Read specs instead of asking dumb questions.
Polycarbonate and no wather sealing.
Nowhere do any of the specs around the web say anything about polycarbonate or weather sealing and nikoj is not the first to ask this this so I'm not sure why your on his back. It's a perfectly valid question.
Not only is it a valid question, it's the kind of stuff that should be in a press release, but rarely is, and should be in a 'hands-on' write-up, but rarely is.
AbrasiveReducer: it's made in Thailand. Not that it matters (except for maximising shareholder value?).
DPR - do you mean the more common 77mm on other high-end Nikon zooms? Not 72mm? Just being picky......
They have both 72mm and 77mm lenses, but 77 is more common. I've corrected it.
Sorry, but I don't get this idea of 'You can handle it but can't save the images" nonsense.
The result is one can say it is a lens that weighs as much as it says it weighs, it is as big as it states it is big, and it might perform as they claim it could...you don't say???!!!??
Either the manufacturers want to show their new product or they don't. Why all this tip-toeing around I have no idea. It is a waste of everyone's time.
I suspect that this lens will be a great lens, but please, DPR, tell all these companies to take a running jump unless they have something useful to demonstrate.
Those were my first thoughts exactly. Talking about quick focus and not being able to save a picture...Highly suspect. There must be some agreement with Nikon not to show pix until the initial hype has cooled down amd they have gotten all the pree relaese publicity they can. And not to include a MSRP but quote the price of the tripid mount ring....Hummm.
We're of the opinion that some quick handling/speed comments and a few extra images are better than nothing, which is what you would have got had we done what you said. I'm not going to turn down access to a close-to-final sample camera or lens, it would be ridiculous.
@ wolfb - your comment hardly deserves a response, but anyway if you read the article you'll see that I handled a pre production lens. We do not publish samples from unfinished products except in very unusual cases.
To Mr. Britton,
I don't mean to be argumentative and please don't take this to be in any way aggressive, but why are 'some comments and a few pictures' better than nothing?
In terms of relevance to those interested in buying this won't assist in any way.
It may be that one instinctively feels such articles are of value, but that is entirely different from the reality, which you must see, surely?
Certainly, being within the trade, I would expect you to jump at the chance of having a first hand look at the lens, but please don't imagine that this is anything other than filling column inches and pandering to a manufacturer.
Even though your comments are positive, they are still no different to the advertising blurb. Until you can show visitors the results and say, "Here are some shots that we've taken. They look fantastic and the lens reaches our best expectations", it dilutes the whole essence of the site, in my opinion.
The version they tested isn't final design, so of course Nikon doesn't want photos shown yet.
I'm extremely happy to see photos of the lens mounted on a D600. It's extremely helpful.
As far as samples, at this level, there are very few poor performing Nikkors, so if it's in the focal length that you need, it likely a safe bet.
If this preview is not useful to you, nobody is making you click through. I don't know why people feel they are owed something from everybody. This lens was just announced, when it starts shipping there wil be boatloads of samples.
To HiRez,
My curiosity is if the lens is not finished, why show it at all and if there is nothing to show for DPR, why write an article?
The strange thing is that recently Nikon showed the D600 and it was in the shops in days, whereas Sony show the A99 and it has only just started shipping and Canon have the 6D which is yet to appear at all. I simply don't see the reasoning behind these 'non-announcements'.
To marike6,
Don't take this the wrong way, but I am very interested as to why you find a picture of this on a D600 to be 'extremely helpful'?
Given that your second point is accurate then you would never need to see a picture before ordering, surely.
Finally, you have to click to read the preview before determinng the worth. I merely pointed out that they have said or shown anything that the earlier announcement did not.
@aardvark7 - Because I think it is useful to see what the handling characteristics are like. Is is big, small, heavy, light, etc.? I mean hey, it's a preview, we're not going to get a full review yet, but I personally don't mind getting some details as they are available. Obviously I want to see some full reviews and sample photos before I buy it, but it's good to know some general things in advance.
This is just like the olden days of newspapers when they would put out several editions a day as the news developed. You add information to the story as you get it so readers learn about it the same time you do. The alternative is to wait till you get the whole story and that could leave us readers waiting a mighty long time. I prefer the bulletin approach of this site.
Nikon showing the lens with the optional collar/foot is sort of false advertising, IMHO.
It clearly states it can be yours for "just" $224. Wow, what a bargain.
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-Tripod-Mount-Ring-A-II-Review.aspx I think Canon has a white t/pod ring
Canon has both a newer white tripod ring and an older black tripod ring that fit their 70-200 f/4 lenses.
Hey DPR staff, do you have a photo with the lense hood on it? Maybe the lense hood is built into the Nano coatings.
Still waiting for those lens reviews you promised on Oct. 2
i dont want to be a douche about it but i want to plus 1 this
I think this lens is a glorified 70-300 mm vr nikkor that I love and cost me a lot lot less...we'll see.
It'll have to perform better than that if it's keeping pace with the Canon.
About time nikon. i was getting tired of lusting after canons 70-200mm f4.
now stop playin, and include the tripod ring, and were all good.
Don't worry chinese manufacturers will make one for you for $20-30
Canon Doesn't include it either. But don't worry about it. I only use my Tripod collar on rare occasions on my 70-200 f4 but I always use on the 70-200 f2.8. This is a much smaller lens that handles more like a 135mm prime.
Handling has nothing to do with the need for a tripod collar. It's still a 200mm lens and it's a stop slower. I suppose the one saving grace of having the collar be an accessory is that the aftermarket collars will all be better than Nikon's own - and they'll include an Arca type dovetail.
Most of us who shoot sports, action, weddings with a 70-200 lens aren't doing it on a tripod, so this need for a tripod collar ring is largely irrelevant, especially for a lighter weight lens. yes there are monopods, but I hardly use mine is this situations either.
I agree about the tripod collar stuff, I have an aftermarket one for my Canon f4, but have never used it in the two years I've had it.
Are kids alowed to be up this hour ?
Go back to sleep, it's a school day tomorow and you have not eaten your veggies.
I'm waiting for the Tokina 70-200 f4 w/ their own "IS" and "AF-S" implementation. I guess I will wait until both lenses are shipped and reviewed.
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So far 2 of the battles against Trip were lame as hell:
The 1st one and the last one
The battle club one was OK since Trip had a good strategy and Ash's pokemon were very weak at that time.
So far 2 of the battles against Trip were lame as hell:
The 1st one and the last one
The battle club one was OK since Trip had a good strategy and Ash's pokemon were very weak at that time.
2013 GLOBAL SHOWDOWN TEAM (Single Battle Mode):
Trip's battles with Ash except for the third one. Sure he used strategy in the 2nd but it felt like Ash being nerfed in everything was the reason why he lost.
The 4th one was a load of bull. Two hit KO on a fire type and dodging Fire Pledge? Only to be easily crushed like a noob by the champion and then Ash in the league?
Stupid Plot Amor.
Koffing vs Boldore. HOW THE HELL CAN GYRO BALL DEAL POWERFUL DAMAGE TO BOLDORE WHEN KOFFING WAS A SPEED DEMON?!?!?!? The sheer fact it did not get poisoned to make it realistic was an insult to Boldore's mighty defenses. Seriously it could have grabbed Koffing and pulverize it with Rock Smash.
Yeah..... I changed my signature....
Ash v. Tobias
The outcome was decided the minute the matchup was announced.
Opinions About:
1. The Anime: OS > AG > BW > DP > XY
2. The English Dub: 4Kids + TAJ Productions (Seasons 1-5) > 4Kids Entertainment (Seasons 6-8) > DuArt Film and Video (Seasons 11-Current) > TAJ Productions (Seasons 9-10)
3. The Games: XY > BW > RSE > GSC > Y > HGSS > DP > RBG
4. The Manga: RSE > RBY > DPPt > BW > GSC
5. Pokemon: The Origin: Excellent: 94.7/100.
English Dub Episode 1: 85/100
English Dub Episode 2: 80/100
English Dub Episode 3: 100/100
English Dub Episode 4: 80/100
English Dub of The Origin: 86.3/100
6. The Movies: OS > AG > DP = BW
Couldn't agree more. Not only was Ash defeat obvious, it was a humiliating one. At least when he lost to Harrison in Johto and Tyson in Hoenn Ash and his pokemon put up a bit of a fight. Heracross was there to show how powerful Darkrai was, Swellow, Gible and Torkoal were there to take a beating, and Sceptile and Pikachu were there to soften the blow.
And that's all there is to it.
For anyone interested, by friend code is 5257-9947-2315. If anyone wants to add me, remember to PM me so I can add you too.
My friend safari contains the ground type pokemon Phanpy, Marowak and Palpitoad.
Current Y team consists of Delphox, Pidgeot, Raichu, Simipour, Charizard and Gogoat.
In training: Wartortle, Bulbasaur, Chespin, Froakie, Combusken, Pangoro.
Ash vs. Giovanni in the most recent episode. They're (Bulbapedia) are pushing it to even call it a battle. Pikachu attacked Persian, and Giovanni came in and tole it to counter Pikachu's attack.
Although the trio battles with Arbok, Seviper, Cacnea, Weezing, etc. are also pretty dull. It always goes the same:
Jessie: Go, Arbok/Seviper!
James: Go Vicrtreebel/Cacnea/Carnivine/Weezing!
James (if Victreebel, Cacnea, or Carnivine) Not me! Them! The twerps!
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There's so many imo i'll just do a top ten
Metapod vs. metapod, it's a classic.
The couple of battles where pokemon purposely underbattled to help another pokekmon (The Problem with Paras and that poochyena episode of season six) were pretty lame too.
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Powered up Pikachu VS Wattson
There was absolutely no need for this kind of Overkill. If Pikachu had actually done this under his own power people would have loved it, but no ...
I actually felt sorry for Wattson. He's my favorite Hoenn Gym Leader and he got destroyed by HAX.
Torkoal vs Steelix and Norman's Vigoroth. THE THING IS A FREAKING TANK YET IT GETS ONE HIT KOED AND PIKACHU/GROVYLE BECOMES A BETTER TANK AND SURVIVES XX AMOUNT OF HITS? Cheap.
Roxie's Gym was CRAP. Belittling Ash's powerful reserve IS NOT A WAY TO MAKE SOMEONE LOOK STRONG!
Koffing vs Boldore. HOW THE HELL CAN GYRO BALL DEAL POWERFUL DAMAGE TO BOLDORE WHEN KOFFING WAS A SPEED DEMON?!?!?!? The sheer fact it did not get poisoned to make it realistic was an insult to Boldore's mighty defenses. Seriously it could have grabbed Koffing and pulverize it with Rock Smash. SERIOUSLY? Damage it with Clear Smog? Boldore should have laughed at the damage. Even if Koffing had an evilote, its offenses would not harm a powerful Boldore.
Unfezant vs Koffing was really bad. The bird just got good in speed and endurance yet it falls very fast to a Koffing with lame offensive moves.
Paplitoad vs Garbodor was a cheap way to showcase Garbodor's cheap overpowered strength and belittle a Pokemon who barely appears in the anime.
Agreed. Pikachu should have ONE Hit Koed by Manetric rather Torkoal.
And if it was not for an overpowered Pikachu, Ash's team would not have stood a chance.
Tailow and Corphish sure they have survived Pikachu's attacks but they would not stand up to Wattson's strategies.
And Grass Treecko is weak to electricity in the anime. SIGH
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Ash vs Tobias.
Most of his Pokemon got OHKO'd, they're stronger than that. Ash should have been the one doing the OHKO-ing to Tobias!
"Pikachu, aim for the horn!" LOL
My least favourite battle is Ash vs. Tobias. Ash losing is fine, but Tobias's legendary Pokemon just felt really cheap. Ash should've lost with a good, tense battle, and not against someone like Tobias... I don't think trainers in the anime should have legendaries.
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"Lame" is such a suggestive term, I'm not entirely sure how to quantify it with examples.
If "Lame" were to mean "worst" then I could give some examples. But just straight up "lame" I couldn't think of any battles that were "lame" since "lame" has a different connotation to straight up "badly written" battles. "Lame" has more of an emotional tether than simply "badly written" battles. So I really can't think of anything that was simply "lame."
But let's go with the worst badly written battle ever.
In Unova- The honor goes to Ash vs Elesa, like Robert said the only saving grace of this battle was Palpitoad vs Zebstrika. There are so many idiotic badly written things about this episode, it was very intolerable to watch. Not only does Ash conveniently become out of character, just to overglorify Pikachu, is unacceptable. They really did address the whole "I use Pikachu too much" and then somehow because Ash chooses not to use Pikachu, he becomes completely idiotic and stupid, to drive in the fact that Ash should use Pikachu too "much" my god, what the hell writers. Do really think anyone with an average IQ is going to fall for that. Seriously only stupid people would ever fall for that. Thanks for trying to insult my intelligence why shoving Pikachu down my throat. It would've been so much better if Ash was going to use the Club Battle choices from the get go. None of this "OH GOD WHO DO I CHOOSE" B.S. that I had to watch. As much as I dislike the Roxie battle, it was leagues better than this B.S. battle.
Overall- Ash vs Ritchie in the Indigo League. It is quite clear to anyone who was paying attention that Ash was superior to Ritchie in every way. At least Ash's battle with Elesa actually looked like a battle, unlike this garbage, it was completely and utterly rushed, thanks Team Rocket, your B.S. interference was completely unnecessary. No one gave any commands to attack at least not from Ash (I guess to save time because of whole TR interference B.S.), it was completely rushed, Squirtle lost because of Butterfree's sleep powder, and Ash had to "resort" to using Charizard (because apparently it was his only viable Pokémon, thanks Team Rocket), and Charizard refused to battle, all of this just so Ash could lose.
If Ritchie was supposed to beat Ash, why did they have to write in such a way that if the battle was even remotely better written, Ash would have to win because he was superior to Ritchie. Why couldn't Ritchie just pull out a win, because Ritchie was slightly better in the one instance. Sure I know Ritchie was a horrible character, and Ash was superior in every single way possible, but did you "writers" have to reflect that opinion in the way the battle was written, because it was god awful, my least favorite battle, because at least every other "lame" "badly written" battle at least resembles a Pokémon battle. This resembled some horrible badly written free for all, and the trainers don't even exist.
The worst part is Ritchie wanted a good battle with Ash, it's sad that he was written to like the battle, because it was hardly a good battle.
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Oshawott versus Darmanitan as well as what I said earlier.
He lost for.....no reason whatsoever? The battle itself wasn't very enjoyable either.
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Barry vs Paulina. Was Barry really THAT weak? I mean didn't Barry know his opponent due to being in love with them? You would think he would of known the power he was up against
Brock VS May. It made me sad that May won. I think Brock deserved to win to be quite honest.
Brock vs. May is laughably bad in outcome and in voice acting. haha. Well, I'm thankful Bill Rogers and Michele Knotz were stronger in BF as Brock and May than in DP. Still just atrocious though, in all honesty.
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Scraggy vs Throh was too painful to watch.
Pikachu vs Excadrill was one of the worst. Could they at least make Iris win with a strategy and a challenge? Paplitoad vs Excadrill would have been great to see and have Iris place some strategy into. They just gave it away to Iris without making her even earn it. Pairing a severe overused Pokemon with an average type advantage was a horrible way to end off the battle. Should have ended it off with "AIM FER DUH HOrn!" crap.
Brock vs May was pretty stupid. Another Give away win battle after some (Brock) places some much effort and strategy into the battle
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Blueberry Hurricane Turnovers
39 comments:
- Nelly Rodriguez said...
These looks so delicious, I seriously want to grab one from the screen. Be safe this weekend and hope Irene just gets outta everyone's way!
- August 26, 2011 at 9:41 PM
- Rosa's Yummy Yums said...
That's bad luck, I'm so sorry to hear that you have to prepare for the hurricane instead of enjoying your holidays...
Wonderful turnovers!
Rosa - August 26, 2011 at 9:41 PM
I'm worried about you out there. The storm looks frightening! Glad you have good food though. I'd get Nutella.
- August 26, 2011 at 9:49 PM
- chloe said...
I can't believe they made you pay for the house! Stunning clicks too. Sorry about the storm:(
- August 26, 2011 at 9:50 PM
- Candace said...
Irene has lousy timing to show up during your vacation like that! Not that there is ever a good time for a hurricane but still....not good. It looks like you are all set with the food in case she wreaks havoc on her way through. I guess I should have started thinking about what we are going to eat already; but I haven't. The blueberry turnovers look like a great idea. Maybe there's still time! Batten down the hatches and stay safe!
- August 26, 2011 at 9:52 PM
Love it El. Be safe during the storm. We're thing of you! oxo
- August 26, 2011 at 10:05 PM
- Nom! The Indulgent Baking Blog said...
Stay safe! Keep the hurricane in the name, I think it's important to remember and you'll have a story to tell when you pass the recipe down xx
- August 27, 2011 at 2:39 AM
- Dmarie said...
just gorgeous...thanks for sharing the blueberry turnovers and all these lovely pics. And your post reminds me that it's time to check our preparedness stores. we could use our camp stove if we had no electricity and no fire, but if I had no way to heat up a dinner, I guess I'd be glad there's some protein powder in the cupboard. and chocolate bars too! ;)
- August 27, 2011 at 6:32 AM
- Tina V. said...
They look amazing!
I'm really sorry to hear about the hurricane, hope you're safe and OK ♥ - August 27, 2011 at 6:34 AM
- Dmarie said...
ooh, how could I forget: best wishes that you, yours and EVERYONE along the coast escapes Irene's wrath!!
- August 27, 2011 at 6:34 AM
- lostpastremembered said...
I must laugh... the first thing I thought to make was cherry pie... am alternately shrugging the storm off and slightly uneasy about disaster.
Hopefully Irene will be tired by the time she hits the big apple and won't take much of a bite.
I HATE my building when I try to use a router... (only works in 2 rooms) because it was built like a brick fortress in 1911... with 70 mile an hour winds... I am grateful to the builder, well, except for the big bay window!!
Hope it misses you and you can enjoy your vacation and those turnovers! - August 27, 2011 at 7:35 AM
- A Canadian Foodie said...
I think you did a little sugar sprinkle after the egg wash? Stunning photos of the turnover in the purest simplicity.
I was wondering where you were when I saw your tweet following the East Coast tweeps deciding "to stay or to go". I almost chimed in to ask what you would do. So, you are staying. You must be in a safe place location wise where you will get the aftermath of the storm, and not the eye of it?
I think I would go. Have my car packed and hit the road for an inland road trip for 48 hours or so.
Does your quaint cottage have a wood burning stove? There is nothing like homemade bread in or on a wood burning oven. Or even on a fire outside.
We can buy huge baskets of lettuce and salad greens here still growing in the bowls and I might buy a couple of those in your situation. Cheese, bread, fruit, root vegetables, salad... nuts... fermented food? That is a unique and tasty way of preservation without refrigeration that might offer a little perk to the palate - but I can only think of short term pickles and cabbages and miso.
Buy eggs from the farmer that have not been washed. They do not need to be refrigerated at all until they are washed. That would be a huge bonus to your pantry. I am trying to think of meat as my uber carnivore would definitely leave for the thought of a day without meat...
We have truly become extremely dependent upon power and refrigeration.
I hope your vacation is filled with peace and the fresh air and freedom you deserve and that the storm rages at sea.
Valerie - August 27, 2011 at 8:58 AM
- Dar said...
It is hard to think of snacks for the hurricane. I ended up making some zucchini bread and will probably make lots of salsa... and start eating my canned goods.. :) The turnovers look awesome, I might try to make those last minute! Let's hope the hurricane won't be too hard on us!
- August 27, 2011 at 10:07 AM
- Marianne said...
Looks like Irene is putting a real damper (pun intended) on your vacation, but it sounds like you've got everything under control. I think I could live on those yummy looking turnovers for a week! I live in Arizona so I won't wait till a hurricane comes along to make them. Thanks for the recipe!
- August 27, 2011 at 10:38 AM
- SavoringTime in the Kitchen said...
I'm so sorry about your beach vacation, El! Better to be safe and prepared, though. Living in Wisconsin near Lake Michigan we have few natural disasters other than an occasional tornado and fortunately, those are few in this part of the state. I'm sure there must be many ideas to be found online.
What a delicious way to stay calm and focus with those beautiful turnovers!
Hope the storm goes out to sea before it gets close to you! - August 27, 2011 at 11:59 AM
- Deeba PAB said...
Keep safe dear El...sorry about the vacation. You are so wonderfully organised & clear headed. Love it! These turnovers are gorgwous!
- August 27, 2011 at 1:21 PM
- Rambling Tart said...
Oh dear El, how frustrating and nerve-wracking. :-( I wish you safety and peace and happiness in the midst of all this misfortune. Big hug to you!
- August 27, 2011 at 2:25 PM
- Rachael @ Tokyo Terrace said...
These look so delicious! You've got me craving a delicious turnover like yours for breakfast... Hope all is well with you and that the hurricane is not too destructive.
- August 27, 2011 at 6:43 PM
- Fresh Local and Best said...
El, so sorry that Irene has rudely interrupted your vacation! Could you ask them to replace this time with another week? I hope something works out.
Those blueberry turnovers are fabulously simple and I imagine comforting in these dangerously dreary conditions. I'm not sure if I have advice that is better than having good cheese around the house. If I wasn't nursing a baby, I'd have good wine and bread to accompany the delicious cheeses.
In preparation for the storm, I made granola and stocked up on a bunch of nuts, notably raw cashews which won't last me long enough if I keep on eating them. - August 27, 2011 at 7:42 PM
- amalia said...
Those turnovers look amazing...and your photographs are even more beautiful. Always love how there is a beauty to every photograph you take. Hope you are safe and the storm passes by quickly and without too much damage!!
- August 27, 2011 at 11:26 PM
- Grace said...
Definitely snacks like home-made cheese crackers, cookies, granola, and small batches of things like biscuits or scones. Anything that can be stored air-tight rather than in the fridge. If you have a dehydrator or want to buy them, dried fruit is a fantastic route. You could also stock up on grains and work out some sort of fire-pit over which to at least heat water for oatmeal, etc. And if you need coffee, Starbucks Via instant isn't too horrible (although it's not great either).
- August 28, 2011 at 11:19 AM
- Xiaolu @ 6 Bittersweets said...
So sorry to hear that Irene's getting in the way of your vacation. It's passed by us in VA already and today was sunny. I hope you had an equally harmless experience and are onto enjoying the beach now!
- August 28, 2011 at 3:14 PM
- Liz said...
sorry to hear about your vacation! Glad to see you will be enjoying something so delicious while you what out the storm. I had similar visions of all my beautiful produce spoiling so I made a big batch of gazpacho.
- August 28, 2011 at 5:29 PM
- Mimi said...
That is a bummer about your vacation. It nice that you have had time to prepare for the storm. Our natural disasters in S.California usually come with out warning, so we always try to have an extra propane container for the gas grill and a plenty of bottled water on hand.
Mimi - August 29, 2011 at 2:10 PM
- Danielle said...
It feels a little strange to be reading this post on Monday after Irene has passed, and it's a real bummer about that vacation rental! I'm so glad that most of the East Coast turned out ok, poor Vermont though. I would take these turnovers any day, hurricane or no!
You asked about the food I'd stock up? That's a very good question. It would be a mix of fresh and dried fruit, cured meats, nuts and I'd also bake up a bunch of muffins/scones too. Hopefully that day will never come, but it's good to be prepared. - August 29, 2011 at 8:08 PM
- Josephine said...
Those turnovers look crazy delicious. I hope your pantry is well-stocked and that you and your family are safe. And thank you for the nice comment on my blog.
- August 30, 2011 at 5:12 PM
- Sylvie @ Gourmande in the Kitchen said...
Hope you are doing okay and stayed safe through it all.
- August 30, 2011 at 8:36 PM
- Emma said...
I hope everything turned out alright for you (minus the cash sunk into the vacation rental). I thought we had another week of vacation, but realizing that classes were starting a week earlier than I had planned for, we had to hightail it back to Maine, driving through New York on Sunday, in between nasty bouts of rain and wind.
Thankfully, we didn't run into any (tree) snags, and made it back safely. Now that I'm back snug in my own kitchen, I do believe these will be making in on to the table sometime soon! - August 31, 2011 at 12:13 PM
Lovely El. Hope you're safe!
- September 1, 2011 at 12:01 AM
- Maria said...
Sorry about Irene! The turnovers look amazing though!
- September 1, 2011 at 11:48 PM
- Kim @ Foodin New ENgland said...
Your blog is beautiful. So well put together, so vibrant... your photos are stunning!!!
- September 4, 2011 at 2:13 PM
- fresh365 said...
Oh you poor thing, so sorry about the vacation! I hope you were safe and have your power back now. We only lost for 1 day, but I know other areas were without for days & days. Take care!
- September 4, 2011 at 3:13 PM
- Elle Audrey Marie said...
Love the photos, but what a summer? Earthquakes, typhoon's, big Hurricanes, mutant invaders...lol Stay safe my friend.
- September 5, 2011 at 4:11 AM
- Barbara said...
We got Irene when she was forming in the Caribbean. Then, coming back to Florida, we were getting a side swipe, but the worst missed us.
Sorry about your vacation and hope all is well. Going anyplace in August is chancy, isn't it? Living in Florida is bad enough. Keeping some of my shutters up.
Anyway, I'd love some of your blueberry hurricane turnovers. Maybe cherry too. - September 5, 2011 at 7:12 PM
- Patricia Scarpin said...
I hope you are all OK (the turnovers look delicious, I love blueberries!)
- September 7, 2011 at 8:56 AM
- Jo said...
Looks absolutely delicious and bet it taste great too! Love the photos as always, great shots!
- September 8, 2011 at 8:34 AM
- Jo said...
Looks absolutely delicious and bet it taste great too! Love the photos as always, great shots!
- September 8, 2011 at 8:34 AM
- Britta said...
I am new to your blog, but I have to say that your photos are insane. I love how the food pops right through the screen. I think I will do some baking this weekend...
- September 30, 2011 at 8:16 AM
- Hilary said...
these look divine. I must make them asap.
- September 30, 2011 at 1:10 PM


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Waterproof Motorcycle Pant with Removable CE Armor Reviews:
Comment: Just got my order in today & I must say these pants look to be built pretty darn good for the money.as soon as I got them home I tried them on & they seem like they will be well warm enough for our late season mountian rides. For the money, I think I will be ordering a 2nd pair to keep on hand.
Phoenix Arizona
Comment: I live just north of Victoria, British Columbia and the area I live in qualifies as a rainforest for a reason. We can get rain every day for a month sometimes. I tested these pants and they kept me warm and dry -Despite a minor rip in the material holding the liner in the left pantleg I love these so much I will be buying another pair for my wife. Incredible bargain.
Duncan, British Columbia
Comment: Ordered on Sunday and received on Tuesday. Great quality and price. Rode home for an hour in the rain yesterday and kept completely dry. Great value. Sizing is accurate if you want a comfortable fit.
Comment: Well made product at a very fair price. Warm and comfortable.
R Wright
Eastern Iowa
Comment: Bought 3 pairs for our teenage riders. Fit true to size. Zip out waterproof liner and air vents is perfect for comfort riding no matter what the weather.
T Bader
Brooks AB
Comment: These pants are strong & will keep you warm in cold weather. I rode 4 hrs in sunny 34 degree weather fine. The weak point are the ankle strings that fasten the liner to the shell. Taking-off your pants, they will break easily if you try to ram your foot out rather than nudge it out. All-in-all a very good product considering the price.
Severn, MD
Comment: These pants are exactly as described. Just like other reviews, the sizes are exact so if you want to put them over your jeans, get one size larger. Good Fit and Comfortable. Also, the Seller did a great job.
Comment: These are well made pants and true to size when you order a size larger to go over jeans. Only change in these pants I would like would be a easier fit around the ankles. This is a great buy for the price and i would buy again.
Sherri T. Anderson "motor mom"
Comment: The pants are a great looking safety and warmth pants for riding motorcycles and/or scooters. It would be nice if you could keep your shoes on before putting the pants on, and it would be awesome if they could come in a color other than black. But these are small quibbles. All in all, a great product, and one that I would recommend.
Lancaster, PA
Comment: These are great pants , I live in SC and bought these about a week before Christmas. They didn't fit, I ordered a replacement pair and received them with in 3 days. They kept me warm on our New Years day run.Jafrum is a great company to deal with.
Comment: Excellant quality pants for $59.95. I am a 38 and size 38 fits over my jeans. At 6' and 220, pants are plenty long, even sitting. Not bulky or flashy for us Cruiser guys. Waterproof and insulation liner comes out. I will use for riding and also as a snow pant in the yard. Zipper attaches and patch match my black Textile jacket form a different manufacturer. Also, Jafrum exchanged my size 40's for 38's within a week. Thanks Jafrum ! GJUpdate on 03 Dec 2008. I used the pants without the insulated liner, to ride about 10 miles on a dry morning at 34 degrees. They were perfect. I don't see how the $160 pants out there could be much better.
Southampton, PA
Comment: I work nights at a major trauma center and on a few occassions I actually get a few spare minutes to peruse the web. I found these pants one Saturday morning at 3:00 and ordered a pair. I forgot how slim I am and ordered the wrong size. Nuts! Called on Monday morning at 4:00 local time and the young lady changed the size and the shipping method for me with a cheerful word. They arrived a day earlier than they were supposed to!I wore them in 34 degree rainy weather for an hour and my legs stayed warm without a hint of coolness or liquid sunshine coming through. They are absolutely flawless excepth they are too long. I put a pair of suspenders on them and they are perfect!!!! I would never ride without them!
Vancouver, WA
Comment: Excellent product, quickly delivered!
Mindy Yocom
Comment: Product exactly as described. I am really happy with the purchase and will use again. Thanks!
Robert Guglielmetti
Comment: Excellent as described fit comfortable and well made. Definitly worth the money.
Whyalla SA
Comment: Great, warm pants. Easily fit over work slacks for commuting without fear of abrasion or stains from leather. Remove liner at 40 degrees or they get too warm very quickly!
Charlotte, NC
Comment: Quality better than expected. Super fast delivery!
Richard Zering
Crystal River, FL
Comment: I just did 300 miles in 43 degrees and rain. I was wearing these pants and they passed the test.
Cleveland Missouri
Comment: TOTALLY in love with my purchase!
Julie L. Shepard
Comment: This product is great, great price, will definitely keep you warm. I live in Alaska, I wear them on early morning and late night rides. I also have worn them in a rain storm, it kept me dry. I would recommend this product to anyone.
Rebecca Whaley
Anchor Point, AK
Comment: I work in an office and showing up in jeans or keeping a spare set of clothes at work just doesn't cut it. These pants are warm (autumn riding), slip well over dress pants/boots, and enable me to show up ready for the work day. Love having durable pants that can take abrasion better than jeans, and was struck with the design (hook-loop covering zippers), removable liner, and aggressive pricing. Jafrum is now on my short-list of accessory suppliers.
Vancouver, Canada
Comment: These can't be beat for the money! Decent padding, including in the thigh area, and armor that feels solid enough for a slide. They are true to size. Feel very warm and versatile, can't wait to wear them!
Denver, CO
Comment: These came in today and I had a chance to wear them in 50 degree weather. I had read others say they were comfortable in the 40s with out the liner. They were right! coming home tonight 50 degrees, dark, and damp. Definitely worth twice what you pay for these. Jafrum, you have a very satisfied customer.
Walnut Ridge, AR
Comment: I have not worn them in the rain yet but did ride on a 27 degree morning in total comfort over jeans. The quality seems great for the price. They're cut a bit long but are fine with boots.
Durango, CO
Comment: Very well made and with excellent features for the money. Sizing is spot on. The liner is VERY warm, save that for Winter riding. Look to be comparable to gear costing three or four times as much. Buy these!
Buffalo, NY
Comment: I've put 3000 miles and 8 months of riding on these pants and they are holding up extremely well. I've also had the displeasure of low-siding my bike at around 20 mph while wearing these pants - the armour worked beautifully and the textile held together - not a scratch and no soreness. This is a great value.
Lafayette, Louisiana
Comment: Have had these pants for the last 2mths right in the middle of our winter... excellent warmth and water proofing spent two hours on a freeway bucketing down with rain... stayed warm and dry...... only problem is the lining rips away from the shell very easily around the cuffs at the bottom... but for $50 US I can't complain... I reckon I will get at least 3 more winters out of them...
Crusier Boy...
East Coast Australia
Comment: Good fit . The girlfriend and I tried them (went for a short test run) and found them to be comfortable.
Edmonton, canada
Comment: These by far are great pants. Worth 2-3 times as much. I bought a pair for myself & my pillion, my wife! These will make our out of town rides a warm one. Will also work in NY.
Las Vegas to NY
Comment: my wife and I just got back from a 9700 mile trip across the country and these were the pants that both of us purchased. So that being said, I wore these pants all day every day for a month straight. On our trek we went through a huge range of weather from over 100 degrees in death valley and then frigid mid 30s going over tioga pass in Yosemite national park. We also drove through a few torrential rain storms (one day we drove 350 miles in solid rain) as well as a blizzard on the way home. Needless to say, we were hot, cold, wet and just all of the above throughout our trip. Now for the actual pants: I am 5'11", 175 lbs, 33" waist normally and I wore an XL which were wide in the hips but fit pretty decent. My wife is normally a 6/8 and she got the L which were long and wide on her, but still worked fine. Things that broke: When I first got my pants, I put them on and tried to tighten them with the waist straps and when I did, the strap tore right off of the pants. I returned them and got a new pair pretty quickly. first day of our trip, the ankle cuff clasp tore on both of our pants. Half way through the trip, the same left waist strap that broke on my first pair broke again. lastly my zipper broke off as well. Performance: As far as warmth is concerned these pants with the liners in do a pretty good job of keeping you warm. When you are riding in the warmer temps, these pants are extremely lacking in ventilation and tend to be uncomfortably hot and sticky. In a light rain, these pants do just fine. In a down pour, these do fine for a while until the rain saturates the pants and it soaks through. they are "waterproof" not gortex. However, they do dry out fairly quick at highway speeds since they are textile. Overall thought: I think these pants are just ok. Yes they did work for us on our trip. Knowing what i know now about them would I buy them again for the same trip? Yes If I was on a tight budget, No if I really wanted a quality pant. These are great if you are ok with so-so quality and knowing that they are going to break somehow. Hope this helps!
Comment: Pleasantly surprised of just how warm these pants are. You wear them with the detachable liner and go from the outside cold into a building and it won't take long for your legs to sweat. Absolutely satisfied with this purchase
Comment: Have only rode three time with my new pants, in temps below 35, I was nice a warm all day.
Earl S
Camas, Wa
Comment: pants are ideal for riding to work and home.
Comment: I just got my pants in and they fit perfectly over my regular pants...of course the weather has gotten better in Georgia so I won't be wearing them much now but next fall and winter I'm sure I'll be enjoying them! Nice quality, fit, and finish. I wear size 40 pants and ordered the 5X size, they are just the right size so don't be afraid to order thebigger size!
Ed L
Warner Robins, Ga
Comment: I bought these pants as an alternative to the more expensive name brand versions. I am extremely surprised and satisfied with the product. I've been in torrential downpours and they haven't leaked a bit. The zipper works perfectly with my Fieldsheer jacket as well. Great product.
Comment: Bought these pants last year and so glad i did. I was riding to school today and rode threw Rain/Sleet/Snow/Rain again. These pants kept me dry and warm
Hornell, NY
Comment: Great pants fit perfect! Ware them over jeans for early morning ridding. Very warm, had to remove the linning they were to hot. Ordered one size larger than I normally ware to put on over jeans fit great! Fast shipping ordered on Sat night revieved them on Tuesday! Thanks!
Maryville TN
Comment: I live in the Pacific North West, it rains here all the time, winter temps are around 30-40 degrees. These pants kept me warm at freeway speeds in 30 degree weather, when the rains came they kept me dry & warm. I'm going to get another pair for my wife. You cannot get anything better for the price.
Comment: Very warm. Ordered my actual pant size and I am very happy with the fit over jeans. Must remove shoes to put on or take off. Zippers at the cuffs are fine and bind with inner material. Pockets are difficult to access due to large zipper. They should swap the zippers between the pockets and pant legs and all would be well. Great value overall. Would recommend with no hesitations
Conway, AR
Comment: Great price fast shipping. Pants quality is very good, I wear 32x34 jeans and ordered a size large, they are a bit baggy should of ordered a medium.
Western Wisconsin
Comment: I'm very happy with the pants I got. Excellent fit and amazingly quick shipment. I will definitely be telling my friends about this site and their wicked service!!!
Rhode Island
Comment: I was so impressed that I ordered a second pair for myself, a pair for the wife and a pair for the son. I've found these pants warm (even without their insulated liner) as well as waterproof in drizzeling rain as well as heavy pouring down rain! I'd recomend these to my friends as well as just aquaintances I come across on the road. Don't think you could find a better pair of pants for the money, not failing to mention their style and construction.
R Warden
Hoxie, Arkansas
Comment: I have to say overall I am happy with the pants. They do a good job at keeping you warm in colder weather and dry in the rain.
Comment: I like the pants have not had a chance to ride yet. So can't really tell how they are in the cold, but are well constructed and fit well. Great company to deal with, no problems at all!
Comment: My husband was delighted with this Christmas gift. The quality is excellent.
Comment: I ordered on a Sat and rec'd Tue. Shipping times are outstanding. This product was as promised. I rode in 30 weather for over 5 hrs and was comfortable. They are a little bulky but I would rather deal with a lillte bulk than freeze my butt off! I ordered the size up so I could wear over my exsisting jeans.
Comment: I ordered a pair this past spring and didn't have much of a reason to try them out until this fall and I've been wearing them almost daily since early October here in Arkansas. I've taken out the insulated liner and have found that I'm comfortable down into the 30's with the pants! I've worn them as low as 19 degree and as warm as the lw 70's and have been comfortable and not overly warm during the highest temps. Not failing to mention that they are waterproof, found out via experience on more than one occasion. Makes it nice that you have a pant that is not only armored but also waterproof and warm! I liked them well enough that I bought my wife and my son a pair for this past Christmas and a extra pair for myself.
Hoxie, AR
Comment: I just bought my second pair of these for weight gain. I wear 48 jeans and these fit over them. Great for riding or any other cold, wet outdoor activity. I would compare to military quality. I wish Jafrum would offer matching jacket.
Churchville, PA
Comment: Excellent price, quick delivery and sizing pretty close to advertised. I bought the recommended next size up from my regular jean size and they fit comfortable. Serve well as a protectant for my office attire as well.
Piedmont Triad, N.C.
Comment: Very nice pants for the money! I live in Ohio and have been riding in 30* weather with these pants and actually have been too warm. I removed the liner for 30* and up. Great Buy!
Norhteastern Ohio
Comment: These are great pants for the money. They are constructed very well. I was concerned that the 2XL would be too big but, they fit almost perfectly over my jeans. The only complaint I have about these is, the inseam could be an inch or 2 longer and, I can't put them on with my boots on. Other than that, they are very nice pants. I would recommend these to anyone wanting some great protective pants at a low cost.
Kenosha Wisconsin
Comment: Good fit. Quality is good. I took off for a test ride in 40 degree weather and 450 miles later I was still toasty.
Michigan KLR
Muskegon, MI
Comment: These pants are great for the price. I use these pants in cooler weather to go over jeans. Sizing is pretty well right on. I am a 31" waist 6ft tall. I got a medium which is just right. My only complaint is that they are a little short for me, but luckily my riding boots make up for the lack of length. Still a great buy.
BC, Canada
Comment: These pants are great for the money. My legs were the warmest part of my body the last time I rode on a very cold morning, I would recommend them highly.
Jim P
South jersey
Comment: I am size 31-32 waist, and ordered the medium. They fit a little big, which worked out because I need to wear them over my work clothes, which they fit over perfectly. At 5' 8", they are long for me. When I am in the riding position, I pull them up high, and they don't budge. I have ony been riding in hot weather, so I have the liner out, and they aren't bad until I come to a stop. I don't know if there are different models of these, because I have no vents in mine and other reviewers say they have vents. I rode after a heavy rain, on a wet bike, and no moisture whatsoever got through. There is a zipper on the back to attach to a jacket, but my leather jacket zips in the opposite direction, so I am going to have to reverst the zipper on my jacket, which will be much easier to flip. It seems there is no standard for this among different companies. All in all, these pants are a great deal. I paid 50 for them, and they are worth every penny. Highly recommended.
Shaun C
Waynesboro, PA
Comment: Good product for price, the only problem with these pants they are hot, I live in the caribbean so these wont work all the time, has nice padding.
Chef Chad
Gros Islet
Comment: Awesome for the money!!!!!
Jim Poskus
S jersey
Comment: Nice pants; fit a little on the large side. Very warm
Dillon, CO
Comment: I received these about a week ago and wore them in 49 degree temperature and they kept me warm. I removed the liner and wore them in 90+ degrees and didn't over heat. I do wish they were in a hi-vis color. I'll give you more feedback when winter hits.
Comment: Seam sealed water proof lining does not zip out, only the insulation. If you have ever worn a plastic rainsuit, you know it's hot. I bought them to wear over shorts in the summer. I think I would pass out. Strictly for cold weather.
Comment: I like these riding pants. Wish they had some vents. Stay realy warm and dry in our western Washington weather. Due to how hot I get in them on warmer days, I now wear them on cold mornings into work. Would buy another.
Monroe, WA
Comment: Pants are exactly as described. The size chart is right on and fit well. The description says it has a zipper to connect pants to jacket. The only issue is to which jacket they are referring to. That information should be included because I would love to have a matching jacket to go with the pants.
Warwick, RI
Comment: A pesar de que se lo ve sólido, es flexible, el pantalón también es térmico, lo que ayuda en frios intensos. Buen producto Le doy cinco estrellas FAVOR HACER AMAZON y JAFRUM EN ESPAÑOL. Gracias Translation: Although it looks solid, flexible, thermal pants also, which helps in intense cold. Good product I give it five stars PLEASE DO AMAZON and Jafrum IN SPANISH. thanks
Juan Aviles
Quito, Ecuador
Comment: Ordered a size up and they fit perfect over pants, good material and a great price.
Comment: Nice pants, comfortable and sized well. Length was a little short but will do. The liner was not the best quality,holding loops were not sewn in on all of them.have worn at 45 deg. without liner and were warm.
West Virginia
Comment: Great pants can't beat the price. Also as always great service at Jafrum. I highly recommend these pants.
Comment: I would recommend and would buy again. Nice closures, nicely made.
Comment: Don't order a size up if you're a 32!Sizing is THE critical issue with these. Comments are all over the map. My experience: I am a 32" waist, 30" inseam. I ordered a "MEDIUM". With liner removed, this size fits perfectly over pants, but not too baggy without. If I use the liner AND wear pants under, it's still a good fit but I have very little room which is just right. I believe the recommendation to order a size up is incorrect for MY waist size, (32). However: this might not be true for the "larger" peeps. Either that, or the company has bad quality control on sizing. Overall: They are WARM. The waterproof liner cannot be removed, but it does seem somewhat vented. I'd say these are good for up to 80 degree heat. Any more and you'd be praying for mesh at a stop light.
Westlake Village, CA
Comment: Great pants strong material well made.
Hank Shannon
Highland IL
Comment: I bought these to go with the jacket and am very pleased. they are very comfortable for riding and the lining makes them warm. One suggestion is that you may want to bungee the botttoms to keep air from going up your leg. The reason for the four stars is that the pants, like the jacket have not done well at sewing in the butttons which hold the lining in place. Furthermore, the pants have very flimsy material sewn in to the lining to hook on the buttons. First time I put them on, the buttons fell off and the cloth look came off. No, I didn't try to put them on with my boots on, which would be impossible. Having sewn in new loops and re attached the butttons, these pants are my daily wear as my bike is my main set of wheels rain or shine! I need good clothing and these are good (aside from the button thing!)
David Hall
Bluefield WV
Comment: These pants arrived quickly but I was not able to use them until recently when the cold weather set in, I was disappointed that the tabs the hold the liner in place were already ripped form their place of anchorage on the inside of the shell. Fortunately this did not affect the performance of the pants on my 50 mile commute when temps at 5:30 AM were hovering at around 30 degrees. Have only had to test their water resistance on one brief occasion when I passed through a light thunderstorm. For the money I have not seen a a better cold and wet weather pant that compares for both construction (with the exception of the previously mentioned ripped anchor tabs) insulating properties and moisture resistance. The shell is heavy and should resist tearing. Great value.
BF Butler
Weber County, Utah
Comment: Pants are good keeps me dry and the price was good flaws are they are cheaply made the tightning strap broke the first day i put them on but they arent bad for the price
Poconos PA
Comment: Nice pants, sizing is good. Like the fact that this has a zip out liner. Would be nice if the leg zippers were longer to make it easier to put on with boots.
Western New York
Comment: This is the best value you will find anywhere! Pants are very well made, I was expecting a low quality product for this price, I was wrong. I've been using these to ride in temps in the upper 20's and they work like a charm, after 30 mins of riding, I don't feel the cold. I'm 5'10 220 lbs and I'm using an XL size. The fit very nice, just a bit long for me, but don't get in the way at all. Pants have plenty of secure pockets and you can remove the inner liner to ride on warmer waether. I would buy these again in a heartbeat!
Norristown, PA
Comment: Just came in the door 29 degrees right now. Pants kept me warm on a 30 min ride. Pretty happy About that. Still upset that the waterproof lining is NOT removable (like the description still implies). But adding another star anyway. These are good for cold weather. Change the description jafrum- only the insulation is removable not the seam-sealed waterproof lining.
Comment: I just received these pants two days ago after them being back ordered. I'm glad that I waited! Great quality and the fit is perfect. Although there is snow on the ground and won't be worn anytime soon they will be awaiting spring riding.
William S.
Manitoba, Canada
Comment: The price is very reasonable. The delivery is excellent. Very comfortable and worth buying
Comment: Good fit, good service. Worn twice so far. Liner is very warm. Good protection in the rain.
North Georgia
Comment: Waterproof Motorcycle Pant with Removable CE Armor Features. I purchased this item for my son, he was vary happy!!! I recommend these pants for any Motorcycle rider!!! My son said the pants kept him warm when riding in the cold!!!! I was more then happy!!!!
Danielle Polkcook
Rancho Cucamonga
Comment: I normally wear 34 inch jeans and I wanted these as overpants so I ordered one size up. The result was huge, and I had to return. The quality, though, was very good, esp. for the price, and I'll be ordering another pair.
Comment: I absolutely love them, I ride cold and wet all the time these keep me warm and dry all the time. Used both with and without linings no problems except they are susceptible to exhaust burn.
Mooresville, NC
Comment: I have ridden in my first pair over 50 thousand miles with few complaints other than the waist strap pulling loose and various spots where the fabric pulled loose at the seam, fraying under the thread, leg zippers stop breaking, waist snaps coming useless. With all these problems I ordered myself a second, backup, pair as well as a pair for my wife and adult son. For the money, I think they are a bargain as long as you don't freak out with minor problems showing up. Great buy for the money. Guess my only complaint is the lack of use I've had out of my FirstGear coat and pants that cost over five times the cost.
Comment: Con-very bulky with the armor in it. The stitching comes undone easily Can't put boots through it. Pro-comfortable once the armor is removed Even on hot days still keeps cool. The thermal is definitely for 45° or lower weather. Cheap price. I'd rate them 8/10. Would be a 10/10 if I could fit my boots through it. Overall satisfied with the pants.
Tony S.
San Bruno
Comment: Pants were what I wanted, but definitely not made for a tall man. if these were offerd in a tall size, you'd have an across the board winner
Wilson, NC
Comment: Quality is Great! Price awesome! But too baggy. I think you should show pictures with someone wearing them
Juan Carlos Merino
Comment: I have been using these pants for several weeks now and am very impressed. The removable liner makes them suitable for quite cold temperatures. I rode one day at 25 degrees and stayed toasty warm. Once the liner is removed, the pants are not too hot, though I've yet to test that in the heat of summer. The armor is as advertised (CE and easily removable). On sizing, I followed others advice and went a size larger than usual. I now wish I had just followed the sizing guide and stuck with what it said, as they are a bit large on me. In any case, I highly recommend these.
Wayne haney
Comment: Very nice item - fits well & seems to be of outstanding quality. Certainly will be greatly appreciated when the weather turns cold here in the Midwest!
Jami Lynn
Comment: Fit perfectly with jeans and boots, they are really warm and good quality for the Price, i´m really happy with this purchase.
Jorge Munoz
Bogota, Colombia
Comment: The pants are very comfortable with adequate protection - just in case of a fall. Being all weather makes it usable all through the year. I was also very happy with the timely delivery.
Rahul Panshikar
Comment: Fit and quality are great. Just what I needed for cold weather riding.
clakr kreston
yorktown va
Comment: Bought these to wear without jeans under them and so ordered for a short legged fat guy, and was impressed at how well they fit, not to be mistaken for dress jeans, awesome fit. I will sweat to death on a warm day, but wore them the other day in 15*C weather as a trial, and they were toasty warm and no liner.....not to wait for our fall riding season to start, in Northern Canada and see how well they hold up.
Northern Ontario
Comment: fit perfect very warm great price
mitchell jones
merrill oregon 97633
Comment: For all those women out there looking for a good warm set of protective motocycle pants: the sizing isn't exactly accurate for those of us with curves. I am 5'5 and athletic, but curvy and when I ordered what appeared to be my size, the pants came in MUCH too large! Also, it was suprising that the pants leg length is very short. I was initially going to give hte pants to my husband, who wear a larger size waist, but he's 6' tall and the length of the legs would have made them look like highwater pants. That being said, the pants are very good quality, have a built in adjustable belt, and would have been worth every penny if they had fit properly. Instead, I decided to return them since I'm worried the next size down will also have sizing issues.
Indianapolis, IN
Comment: Had to purchase one size up sold 1st pair to fellow rider. Work as advertised the only grip as you already know from other reviews is you have to remove your boots. Really warm!
Robert Agnew
Comment: What can I say?? High quality product, superb price! Winner winner, chicken dinner!!!
t.w. landis
reno, nv
Comment: Got the pants today, great fit, great product as advertised. The pants are warm and I'm looking for a rainy day to try them out. Thanks Jafrum. Van Valley Springs, Ca.
Comment: These pants are simply to hot.... Shipping condition and terms ares perfect. Notting else to say than WOW!
Pierre P.
Quebec, Canada
Comment: My first bike pants and I can say they´re great. If you are looking for good pants (water proof, with armor AND comfortable) you can have them for a fair price. Just weared them 2 days ago and were so warm and comfortable! You can be sure to like them.
Raquel Diaz
San Jose, Costa Rica
Comment: they make you look like an astronaut with their kind of strange stylebut they're very warm and dry
Comment: Good deal for some reasonably warm and waterproof pants. They are a little bulky as has been mentioned, and I initially chose the wrong size. I wear a 38 pants, and using these as overpants, only need a XL. I would recommend NOT going a size up as suggested above.
Comment: I have worn these pants every trip out since I got them. I have ridden in low 30s temps several times and have not even needed the zip-out liner! The pants are super comfortable and a breeze to pull on and off. I would recommend these to anyone.
Jerry Harrell
Comment: The pants are great with & without the liner.
Comment: This is not my first purchase of these motorcycle pants. You can't beat them for the price! Well constructed and very roomy for over other pants. They do run very large.
Kathi Kleckner
Comment: More times than not, these internet ads exaggerate the product quality and performance. Not in this case. The first time I wore them, I got caught in a rain storm, and the pants kept my bottom half dry and warm. Hopefully, I will never have to try the skid pads, but I am sure they will work, too!
Willie Nakahara
Irvine, CA
Comment: Comfortable, great fit, love 'em!
Comment: These pants are very warm. love that the liner is removable. :o) Great Price and fast shipping!! Thank you!!
Comment: I'm wearing these pants for riding my cruiser when the weather gets cold and they are very effective in keeping me warm. Highly recommended - peace!
Whidbey Island, WA
Comment: I just bought a pair of these overpants based on the positive reviews. It's my first pair of motorcycle pants of any type. I received them quickly and they seem well made except perhaps for the zipper (fly zipper). I went to try these on over my jeans for the first time and when I went to pull the zipper up it snapped in two- the part you pull to zip and unzip the fly. It seems like it's made out of very low quality pot metal. Liking the pants otherwise I decided to not hassle with returning them and McGyvered a key ring to replace the broken part. They seem to run true to size. I have a 32-33 waist with short legs so I ordered a medium and they fit well over my jeans.Tomorrow will be the first actual road test. I'm going to give them four stars for now based on apparent quality for the price, knocking a star off for the poor quality zipper.


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LONDON — Hunks of plaster and dust rained down on a packed audience when the ceiling of a London
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Eagan: No answer for Jared Remy case mistake
Marian Ryan finally admitted...
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Suspect in Southie parking spot brawl: He started it
An apprentice electrician was ordered held on $1,000 cash bail today after pleading not guilty to
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Now that Asik is off market, Celtics back in quiet mode
So much for Houston general manager Darryl Morey's attempt at creating a market for his disgruntled 7-footer, Omer Asik.
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BRA project rush causes rift
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B's GM Peter Chiarelli: I'm not trading Marchand
BUFFALO — Yesterday, Bruins general manager Peter Chiarelli said that he was not happy with Brad Marchand's taunts at the Vancouver Canuc
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Figure skating champ Brian Boitano says he's gay
Olympic figure skating champion Brian Boitano came out Thursday, two days after he was named to t
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Red Sox pay less for utility
The Red Sox do not know where they will finish in the Stephen Drew shortstop sweepstakes, but the
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Shoveled spot drives men to blows
In the latest battle of the snow-packed streets, a 66-year-old South Boston man who paid to have
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Welcome, Facebook video ads
Facebook is set to begin testing video ads in users' news feeds today — but it'
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Terrell Suggs doesn't hide his dislike of Tom Brady
FOXBORO — Earlier this season, Tom Brady and Peyton Manning took center stage and co-author
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Santa Claus is bringing these DVD sets to town
Netflix might be the biggest thing to be shaking TV right now, but, seriously, who wants to open
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`Dream On,' `Roadrunner' vie for state rock song status
Don't breathe a word of this. Because nobody's supposed to know.
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Daimler, Aston Martin in engine development deal
BERLIN — Daimler AG and British sports car maker Aston Martin Lagonda Ltd have signed a deal tha
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Employers step in to prevent worker burnout
LONDON — Volkswagen turns off some employees' email 30 minutes after their shifts end.
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Detroit architect Harold Varner dies at age 78
DETROIT — Harold Varner, an architect on the design team for Detroit's Charles H.