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Posted 27 November 2011 - 07:27 AM
Fuller answer. There's no point in aging a wine if it's got nowhere to go. Ie if the fruit won't develop into something more complex and if there aren't enough tannins and acidity to warrant diminishing them, and/or if there's not enough to make the wine live longer.
Rosé is deliberately made light in tannins and acidity to make it an agreeable quaffing drink pretty well from the day it's bottled. I know of a very few exceptions and for some of these, they can and do improve for a couple of years, but not much more.
I can give an even more complete answer, but will that do for the moment?
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Posted 28 November 2011 - 12:17 AM
Did they add crushed ice to the rose or did they partially freeze it?When visiting Woodstock winery once, they let us taste some Rose slushie that they had made. It works a dream and is very refreshing.
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Posted 28 November 2011 - 09:51 AM
This is probably true for the winemaker at Domaine Tempier, with access to some of the best rose in the world and lots of it from many different ages. But as others have said, rose's not made to be aged. Drinking 20 year old rose is like exploring the boundaries of what's possible, but it's not like drinking rose.
I've drunk 5-6 year old Alsatian pinot blanc that was drinkable, with fruit still intact and even some acidity. I've also had similarly aged wines that shouldn't see that kind of age and they have nothing to them, no fruit and no acidity. The wine had completely fallen apart.
White wines that stand up to age have very high acidity and sweetness, like rieslings or champagne or Sauternes. More delicate whites (i.e. most whites) can't stand up to age and/or don't need it. Most wines, red or white, are made to be drunk young and the benefit of aging more than a few years would likely not be worth it. There are some that really need it (e.g., Barolo, Burgundy, Cahors) because these wines need to mellow out a bit so that they aren't all acidity/tannins all the time getting in the way of appreciating the subtlety and complexity of their flavors. You can speed up the process by decanting and so oxygenating the wine, but that only takes you so far. You want to age them (then when they are old, you protect them from oxygenation because they become more delicate, it's a balance that way). But this doesn't go for every wine. Your average $10-15 everyday drinker is very likely made to be taken home and enjoyed that night, and something like rose is made to be enjoyed effortlessly on a hot day by the grill. (Though they are great year round too of course and can be very complex--I think they can be great bang for the buck).
Posted 28 November 2011 - 12:06 PM
It has been gratifiying to see, at least in our local market here in Calgary, Canada, that rose wines have 'arrived'. When I organized a summer garden party rose wine tasting about 6 years ago nearly all the rose wines available in the local shops were 2-3 years old (and most of them showing their age). When I did another one a couple of years ago there were a plethora of young, fresh, vital roses out there from pretty every wine producing area/country. They are a very versatile food wine - from delicate sparklers like pink prosecco to full bodied cabernet sauvignon or syrah based wines with enough body to go with a BBQ steak.
But, in general, as already noted, younger is better.
Calgary, Alberta
Posted 12 December 2011 - 04:05 AM
There are two ways to make a Rose, one is to let the skins stay with the wine until a hue is developed and the other is to mix red with white. My understanding that today most is made by mixing. I prefer a slightly sweet Rose but there are French producers and others making a dry austere form of the wine. I keep Domaine Chandon and Freixenet Rose sparklers on hand and they are very good as a first wine for any type of gathering, there is something about the red hue that is festive. There are many Champagne producers getting into Rose wines and they come at a steep premium! B&G makes a very consistent slightly sweet Rose over the decades but none of it is made to be aged.-Dick
Posted 12 December 2011 - 06:51 PM
In Europe, at least, it is illegal to make Rosé blending; the one exception being Champagne.There are two ways to make a Rose, one is to let the skins stay with the wine until a hue is developed and the other is to mix red with white. My understanding that today most is made by mixing.

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lol i have been saying they would do this for over 10 years. don't forget they have the largest shipping industry in the world, with almost unlimited access to a number of ports in north america. everyone always laughed that they could never get troops here because of a limited navy, and i called bullshit they could get 50,000 troops on one ship


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Okay - I am on 100% now.
I'm in too. 85 points so far. I love these projects with small teams. You start and immediately you're in the top 20. Makes me feel important.
*braces himself for impact* Try not to completely demolish me as you go tearing past |
This project is so low scoring I might not make it past you in a week. But that was really funny to read! Rule of thumb: Whenever one of use hard-chargers is mashing the gas, the best thing to do is just find the nearest rest stop and pull over. |
Docking appears to be out of work. Server Status says ZERO WUs ready to send and my clients aren't getting anything new. |
Wieferich has work
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That said my machines are all now filling their work queues with Docking units. Also:
So those of you with high throughput machines might want to stay away for a bit longer. |
Thank you for the intel, good sir!
Do the stats not update as frequently with this project, or does it have to do with the new protein they're adding in? Haven't seen a change since this morning.
Stats are updated immediately on the docking@home website. Bok's stats I believe update docking about 4 times a day. |
Then maybe it's the project having issues. It sat at 1240 all day yesterday; there was a difference between Bok's page and the issued credit at the Docking@Home website of nearly 6500 by last night. Sometime overnight the two caught up. I'm getting a lot of WUs quitting early and showing "Computation Error." I don't see much on their forums, except maybe that some proteins have had issues in the past ending early. |
I (and all the other stats sites) rely on the xml files exported by the projects. The numbers on your page on the project itself will always be more accurate as they are realtime..
The xml files are often only refreshed a few times per day. I strive to convince projects to export them at least every 6 hours if I can...My scripts check for updated files pretty often (in a loop) and parse not long afterwards, so they should be updated not long after the files comes out.. Bok |
I had just never seen a project not update for so long; as every other project I've crunched has been fine, I'm assuming it's just Docking. The stats pages have been flawless in every other regard, I assure you |
I be no means meant to imply that your stats were where the slow down was, I guess it would have been far more accurate to state that "It appears Bok's stats pick up the docking stats from the xml files exported around 4 times a day." I shall endeavour to be more accurate in the future. Thanks for all your work on the stats, and for reading our forums |
never thought any different
was just trying to explain how it all works... |
Everything appears to be back up to speed on the project side:
If your caches are full of old work units, the project sugests reseting the project to avoid problems with jobs created between the 23rd and the 25th. |
Those "computational errors" are killing my stats. Down 25% from my peak (average 1k+ now down to ~775)
The project has been nice and stable the past 5 days. So it appears like the transition has gone smoothly after the slight hiccup at the start.
My production may slacken off a bit over the next month, as I'll be in Brazil and will be unable to fix any problems with my machines that might arise. Hopefully, by the time I'm back we'll be safely in eleventh, and most of the way to tenth place. |
It was a frustrating time to start crunching this project for the first time. Nevertheless, once I hit my pledged million in SHA-1, I'll be moving machines over to help you out. |
I put my machines back on this alongside Wieferich. I'm just doing this to get my 250k for now. I've had a couple do something screwy.
They both received a 4WU "daily quota" and would not get any more WUs. The rest picked up about 10 or 12 WUs each. Any ideas? |
If I recall correctly this problem was corrected by reseting the project... that said I have spent my day on the beach drinking Caipirinhas and Beer so may not be in the best position to answer this question |
LOL! Thanks Rarian. It seems that after a while they "correct" themselves.
I'll be low producing as this is sharing time with Wieferich on the bulk of my systems. I have a few solely on Docking to make things progress a little more reasonably. |
Well, it appears that AMDU is taking advantage of our distraction in SHA and Wiferich to overtake us here. They're going to pass us in a day or so, then Canada in less than one week.
I know we can afford to let a little slide because this is not Vaulted yet, but let's not let it slide too far. |
Docking is indeed in the Vault: http://www.dc-vault.com/showteam.php?team=34 |
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As to AMD Users, well we just recently passed them ourselves, and I'm not sure you could really ascribe it to them taking advantage of our distraction as it was really only the production of one of their users (Liuqyn) that has put them on an overtake; Either your or Whizbang's production will let us easily outpace them. |
I believe that there were more than one AMDU person on it when I checked it. *shrugs*
I'm going to finish my 250k in this right quick.
Congrats on making the top ten!
Should hit 9th in another 4 days or so. |
Congrats on 9th!
Slipped into that position 9, the road to higher standings will be a long one unless we see attention from some of our heavy hitters. |
Back up to the top now. Looks like this one could use some attention.
Agent GleanerC /out |
Once I'm done in GenLife, I'm due to add some more Docking points, so I'll get with it. It's going to be another ten days or so until I can commit however. |
It looks like I have to move out of the slow lane for a day as I pass the steam roller. Hope he takes it as easy on me when he notices and hits the gas..
The aforementioned steamroller won't even notice it ran over me and my squad of mosquitoes but I'll do what I can nevertheless.
Looks like there's a run of bad WUs (name starting with "1hpv"). Read this thread:
http://docking.cis.udel.edu/co...um/thread.php?id=424 I've suspended or aborted all WUs starting with 1hpv. |
I set the project "no new work" and reset the project.
I wondered why my rac was heading into the toilet. I as full time into this project |
Beyond, thanks for the heads-up.
I also had a couple of problem work units I wasn't aware of. Agent GleanerC /out |
Thanks Beyond. I had two that were going on 20 hours or so on one of my boxes that have been shot.
Hopefully Docking will get that fixed soon. |
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Looks like we'll get "The Frogs" in 12 days. But we also have two boogies on our tail. Phoenix Rising in 10 days and "Those Pesky Kniggits" in 20. It's been rumoured that Agent Whizbang may begin operations here shortly. Everyone out of the way! Agent GleanerC /out |
Reporting for duty, sir! Just part time however; SZTAKI is my focus. EDIT: With Leavitron's little challenge going, I'm going to bump up my Docking contribution to keep things interesting... |
I'm almost 100% moved over to this, contributing some to GenLife and some to SZTAKI. The good news is we can take "The Frogs" in the next two days, netting 24 Vault points. The bad news it looks like I'll just be able to bring us up to matching Phoenix Rising and The Knights, so we're not in any better situation there


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(Biliary Colic; Calculus of Gallbladder; Cholangitis; Cholelithiasis; Cholecystitis; Cholecystolithiasis; Choledocholithiasis)
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- Too much absorption of bile salts from the bile
- Too much absorption of water from the bile
- Too much cholesterol in the bile
- Inflammation of the lining of the gallbladder
Risk Factors
- Age: older than 60 years
- Women between 20 and 60 years old
- Women with high estrogen levels due to pregnancy, oral contraceptive use, or hormone replacement therapy
- Obesity
- Race: Pima Indians and other Native Americans, Mexican Americans, and Northern Europeans
- Use of cholesterol-lowering drugs
- Diabetes
- Rapid weight loss and fasting
- Previous gallstones
- Diseases of the gallbladder and ducts
- Blood diseases, including sickle cell anemia
- Intermittent pain on the right, below the ribcage
- Bloating, nausea, and vomiting
- Belching, gas, and indigestion
- Abdominal pain
- Sweating
- Chills
- Low-grade fever
- Jaundice (yellowish color of the skin or whites of the eyes)
- Clay-colored stools
- Abdominal x-ray —a test that uses radiation to take a picture of structures inside the body, about 15% of gallstones can be seen on plain x-rays
- Ultrasound —a test that uses sound waves to find gallstones
- Magnetic resonance cholangiopancreatography (MRCP)—an accurate and non-invasive means of evaluating the pancreas and gallbladder
- Endoscopic retrograde cholangiopancreatography (ERCP) —a test that uses a combination of endoscopy (the use of a flexible fiberoptic camera to look into your digestive system) and x-rays
- Cholecystogram or cholescintigraphy—x-rays that show movement of the gallbladder and any blockage of the cystic duct that carries bile to the bile duct
- Blood tests—may be used to find an infection, jaundice, pancreatitis , or an obstruction
Surgical Treatments
- Laparoscopic cholecystectomy—Laparoscopic cholecystectomy is the removal of the gallbladder through several small incisions in the abdomen. To view the gallbladder, a small, lighted tube with a camera is inserted into one of the incisions. Surgical instruments are used to remove the gallbladder through one of the other incisions.
- Open cholecystectomy—Open cholecystectomy is the removal of the gallbladder through a large incision in the abdomen. This is necessary if there is an infection in the abdomen or a great deal of scar tissue.
Other Treatments
- Maintain a healthy weight
- Avoid rapid weight loss diets
- Exercise regularly
- Eat a diet low in saturated fat
- Eat plenty of fruits, vegetables, , and whole grain foods
American Liver Foundation http://www.liverfoundation.org
National Digestive Diseases Information Clearinghouse http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov
Canadian Liver Foundation http://www.liver.ca
Health Canada http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca
Editorial staff and contributors. Other treatments for gallstones. EBSCO Health Library website. Available at: http://www.ebscohost.com/healthLibrary/ . Updated December 7, 2009. Accessed July 15, 2010.
Gallstones. EBSCO DynaMed website. Available at: https://dynamed.ebscohost.com/about/about-us . Updated July 13, 2010. Accessed June 15, 2010.
Gallstones. Family Doctor.org website. Available at: http://familydoctor.org/familydoctor/en/diseases-conditions/gallstones.html . Updated September 2008. Accessed June 21, 2009.
Gallstones. National Institute of Diabetes & Digestive & Kidney Diseases website. Available at: http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/gallstones . Updated July 2007. Accessed June 23, 2008.
Mahnke D. Endoscopic retrograde cholangiopancreatography. EBSCO Health Library website. Available at: http://www.ebscohost.com/healthLibrary/ . Updated June 1, 2010. Accessed July 15, 2010.


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Controversial badger culls could result in a disease affecting cattle being wiped out in England in 25 years, Environment Secretary Owen Paterson has claimed.
Shooting of the animals has begun in an effort to combat the spread of bovine tuberculosis (TB) and Mr Paterson said if the results of pilot culls in west Gloucestershire and west Somerset were positive, then controlled killing of badgers could be allowed throughout England.
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Flanked by the Indian and Atlantic Oceans, the Western Cape boasts incredible beaches, beautiful mountain ranges and unparalleled botanical splendour. On this holiday we enjoy coastal walks in Tsitsikamma National Park, visit the Cape's wine estates and the penguin colony at Boulders Beach. We also enjoy spectacular views from the summit of Table Mountain and game drives in the Botelierskop Reserve.
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This is great for a basic snow jacket. Only thing, there's not enough pockets
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Re: Black questionOf course, all of that tribalism used to be set aside during National Brotherwood Week. It appears that National Brotherhood week survives only in this song, a Tom Lehrer classic that dates back to the '60's:
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I don't know what part of europe you were in !!
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Why would you put 'other' ?? these are nationalities not races.
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Race? It's a meaningless term for humans. Wiki explains it succinctly: "While biologists sometimes use the concept of race to make distinctions among fuzzy sets of traits, others in the scientific community suggest that the idea of race is often used in a naive or simplistic way, i.e. that among humans, race has no taxonomic significance: all living humans belong to the same species, Homo sapiens. Social conceptions and groupings of races vary over time, involving folk taxonomies that define essential types of individuals based on perceived traits. Scientists consider biological essentialism obsolete, and generally discourage racial explanations for collective differentiation in both physical and behavioral traits." So, if a form is trying to make non-existent distinctions (see Mariah Carey allusion above), how am I to answer that EXCEPT as 'other'? Seriously? I'm pretty sure all our ancestors are from East Africa, so where does that leave us?
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So let me get this right. This respected peak organisation - http://www.naacp.org/ - still includes the description 'colored' but the consensus here is that it's an offensive word?
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Probably Harlem
I don't think there is much of a consensus on this topic, which is not at all surprising given the topic we are discussing. However,I think what has been good is that the discussion has been pretty much on topic without the extreme name calling that has surfaced at times in other threads. It will be interesting to see what comments Anthony Treacher has to say when he rejoins the debate.
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That may be true. All humans can interbreed but evolution over two million years, migration to diverse environments and selective breeding has resulted, although the classification is fuzzy, in five(?) recognizable, more or less consistently physically distinct groups of people which we have been conditioned to refer to as "races" There are practical reasons for this. How else to narrow down the description of the perpetrator of a crime ? Or redress a greviance against a "race" or racial sterotyping? And, in some wars, makes it easier to identify the enemy on sight. Also, in recent years some "scientists" have come to believe that humanoid remains in South Africa pre-date those in East Africa.. Of course, that could also mean we have not yet discovered the oldest remains in East Africa.
Re: Black questionThe whole point of the 'race' designation is to break a species into subgroups (often used in botany). So the fact that humans are all the same species is irrelevant to the debate. The main argument against using the term 'race', in the context of humans, is that the genetic differences between ethnic groups are minor.
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So we are dealing in semantics here? There are five/six subgroups which serve as convenient visual/physical identifying characteristics instead of five/six races? Seems to me a distinction without a difference.
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So is American Indian a 'race'? If it is, I fail the "physical identifying characteristics" test, because when I met you, I never would have know you were any 'different' from just looking at you! Now . . . as soon as you post, yeah, there's the difference!
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Yes, this is semantic in some ways. For the examples in biology where 'race' is used, the genetic differences are far greater than those seen within the human populations. Part of the reason for that is that humans migrate so readily, therefore, the gene pool has never stopped mixing. Consequently, the biological term 'race' is meaningless with respect to Homo sapians. As to the differences in the geographical subgroups, there are some unique genetic differences. Mostly, though, we are observing differences in the frequencies of certain traits. For example, lactose intolerance is 5% in europeans but 95% in asians.
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My point exactly!
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What should we make of another venerable organization that includes the "N" word in its name? http://www.uncf.org/
Re: Black questionThe NAACP was founded in 1909. UNCF in 1944. When those organizations were founded, the terms in question were common, and thus became part of the titles of those organizations. Both organizations have retained those terms in their titles probably because of longstanding familiarity with the organizations under those traditional names.
Where I live now, in 2012, both of the terms in question would be considered offensive. My colleagues and students who consider themselves to be part of these ethnic groups refer to themselves and each other as "African-American" or "black." Thus, I use those terms. I have not heard one of my colleagues or students -- ever, in the past 30 years -- refer to herself or himself as "negro" or "colored." I am reasonably confident that they would find these terms strange at best, but more likely would find them offensive. Here's another example: American Indian Movement (AIM). In my contact with people who self-identify with this ethic designation, they either use a specific tribal name or they use "Native American." However, the formerly common terms, "Indian" or "American Indian," are still in the organization's title. It seems that the best guidance for respectful usage is to try to follow what members of the group(s) in question use of and for themselves in common, public discourse, and to try to be cognizant of changes in usage. I don't see anything contradictory or strange in this -- it seems to be the way language works.
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Well...most Americans would not realize that term was a slur unless they were familiar with terminology used by South Africans. I read Mathabane's "Kaffir Boy" 25 years ago...excellent book.
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I think it's fair for "white folk" to be offended if any politician assumes that a qualified black candidate can only earn their vote if he doesn't don't sound "black." That's pretty much what he said in a nutshell, right? "Sen. Harry Reid said America would vote for Barack Obama because he was a "light-skinned" African-American "with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one."
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Until Daisy educated me, I did not know the scientific distinction between "race" and "subgroup" and am not competent to debate/discuss the point. As to physical characteristics, several generations of "racial" mixing has blurred the phisiography of individuals within families. My maternal Choctaw/Creek grandfather could have been the model for the Buffalo nickel. My maternal great-grandfather, a Confederate veteran of undetermined heritage from Mississippi, came to Texas after the Civil War and married (we presume) a Comanche woman right off the plains. (Someone in the family has her wedding picture, standing in front of her fathers teepee in a white buckskin dress) My maternal grandmother had Caucasian features, as did my mother, but four of my mother's five brothers and one of her seven sisters looked Indian. The ancestry on my paternal side is less well known. My paternal great-grandfather emigrated from England circa 1840. As he migrated westward, he married a widow of unknown ancestry in Paducah, Ky. They had a lot of kids. The few extant group family pictures from the 1880s are not much help; mustachioed men and bonneted women in their Sunday finery. I inherited the mostly Caucasian features of my paternal side, although I do bronze up nicely in the sun. I had the requisite neck-reining paint pony and assimulated seamlessly with the "Indian" looking kids at the Red River swimming holes. My late wife's father emigrated from Germany circa 1880. Her mother, who appeared Caucasian, was from the Caddo reservation is southern Oklahoma. Seven of their eight children appeared Caucasian. My eldest daughter looks Caucasian. My son is a tall, Teutonic dirty blonde. My younger daughter could be Miss Indian America. so go figger. OKC annually hosts the Red Earth Festival, a week long convention of dozens of tribes from all over the country for dancing, art displays, etc...The Indian Princess sometimes is a blue-eyed, redhead or blonde...with tribal credentials.
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I think it is a fact that in order for Obama to get elected, he couldn't seem too Black for White folks, who made up 74% of the electorate in 2008, and the same holds for other minorities (eg, Hispanics, Muslims, Jews, Asains, etc). Minority candidates always have the burden of broadening their appeal when running for office. It's why Mitt Romney avoided talking about his religious faith during his campaign. And it's why Louisiana's governor is considered a viable Presidential candidate as Christian Bobby Jindal but wouldn't have been as Hindu Piyush Jindal.
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So you'd agree that trying to distinguish people along 'race' lines is getting sillier and sillier, huh!
Re: Black questionIMO the discussion on this thread has developed into what has generally been a pretty robust and thoughtful debate on what can be a pretty emotive topic with a wide range of diverse opinions across countries as well as racial and nationalistic groupings.
As Anthony Treacher has been conspicuously absent from this thread since he opened it am I correct in presuming he has been banned? If so I think it is an overly harsh response to the questions he posed in opening this thread. In saying that I am not in any way trying to defend him for whatever comments he has made in other threads where he has obviously rubbed a number of people up the wrong way. When one reads the comments of jazzcyclist a few postings ago he noted that if a person in his/her 80s used the term "coloured" he would not be bothered given the generational era of that person. However, a white guy in his 20s using the term the jazz cyclist would consider that person was being deliberately provocative. I am a baby boomer in my 60s who spent nearly all of the 70s in the USA. i do not use the terms "coloured", "Negro" or "African American". I use the term "Black" because as so eloquently stated by jazz cyclist that was the term used in the 1970s. As I understand that Anthony Treacher is much closer to the 80s generation I think it would be appropriate and in the Xmas spirit to cut him some slack and let him back on the Board.
Re: Black questionBut it's only been 'a pretty robust and thoughtful debate' because Mr Treacher hasn't been involved
Re: Black questionAnd he didn't begin it to start a 'robust and thoughtful' debate. He did it just to be the cantankerous old git that he's always been.
This will, of course, just give him more evidence that the whole of officialdom is out to get him and that all his woes are the fault of others, rather than his own disagreeable nature.
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A colleague once told me. "My psychiatrist says I am not paranoid. It's true everybody hates me."
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Place: Munich Time: 1996 during Oktoberfest People: A Dutchman, a couple of Germans, a couple of Italians, a few Australians, three South Africans (two Black, one White) Everyone was shocked when I said that word was very offensive in the U.S. and could easily cause a violent reaction if used in the wrong setting. I remember the White South African saying that he could call the two Black South Africans n****r all day with no problems, but if he called them kaffir once they'd kill him, and the Black South Africans nodded their heads in approval of what he said.
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Merry Xmas Flumpy. While you may well be right, I would suggest that AT is far from being the only cantankerous old git that inhabits this message board. The point I am making, and a point which is well exemplified by jazz cyclist, is that the various descriptors we use to describe various types of people may be acceptable in one part of the world but offensive in other parts of the world. In this particular instance I just happen to think it is an over reaction to ban a person for asking questions about the term "coloured". And for people to equate such questioning as being indicative of him racist is certainly wrong and over-the-top. I certainly do not find such questions to be offensive. What I find offensive is the over-the-top support of many on this message board for the right to carry and use AK47s and other automatic assault weapons. Since Sandy Hook there have literally been dozens of further instances in the USA of people being murdered with guns. Give me a debate with cantankerous AT any day.
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Obviously not but he is the only one whose sole purpose is to be one.
I don't think anyone is suggesting that.
Agree 100%
Trust me it may seem like fun at first, but after a decade it becomes exhausting. Merry Christmas to you too Tuariki Last edited by Flumpy on Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:53 am, edited 2 times in total.
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I'd definitely take white south africans as arbiters of what language is to be considered racist !!
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I guess you didn't bother to read the end of my post. Last edited by jazzcyclist on Wed Dec 26, 2012 12:49 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Re: Black questionI read it but it doesn't mean that europeans think nigger is an appropriate word to use, it just means there are wilfully dumb people everywhere !!
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I didn't make any broad statements about Europeans, I only stated that the word n****r isn't the universal slur that you seem think it is, and that I was incredulous until two Black South Africans weighed in. I also mentioned that many if not most Americans wouldn't know that word kaffir was a slur, including most Black Americans.
Calling people willfully dumb just because they aren't familiar with all the world's slangs, slurs and local customs is very narrow minded and hypocritical of you, since everyone of us, including you, could potentially make fools out of ourselves if we were put in an unfamiliar environment.
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"All right. We'll give some land to the niggers and the chinks, but we don't want the Irish." Olson Johnson – Blazing Saddles Wow! My faith in this site as great crowd-sourcing venue took a terrible hit in this thread. And, the most disappointing "responses" (very loosely defined) come from posters who I thought should know better (but they are ALWAYS very adept at injecting their politics in most of their posts. Lonewolf, jazzcyclist, take a bow). Oh, well…race is political. Always has been. A mini primer: Slavery; reconstruction; Jim Crow; Civil rights movement. That should catch many of you up to a level of ignorance just above what's being consistently displayed in this thread by some posters. The simple version is colored is unacceptable, and so is Negro (both anachronisms, and not NEARLY as offensive as nigger, but it tells the insulted [sometimes overly sensitive insulted, imo] that you don't want to/can't move on – or you're just forgetful as hell – so they won't move on ... and call you on it for not getting the memo. Circular!). Don't fucking question it! Who gives a shit what you learned in the 50's, 60's or earlier when "Blacks" called themselves what "white" people TOLD THEM TO call themselves – or that you're even from another country/culture (Mr. Treacher?). If someone says it's unacceptable, it's unacceptable! Everything isn't up for debate; it is what it is – and why persist if you've already been told to stop? Others citing that NAACP and UNCF use those now forbidden words is just being silly in search of an unnecessary fight; or a very old ["black?"] person "stuck in their ways" (which might make you a racist despite the standard definitions of the words based upon power, or the lacktherof). The world has moved on; and it's substituting other words, rightly I would say, for those previously wrong-headed incarnations: woman for girl; homosexual/gay/lesbian for faggot/dike; Asian for chink, chinaman, and gook; and yes, "BLACK" or African American for colored/negro/nigger. When I read someone's name and I don't know how to pronounce it, I do my DAMNEDEST to learn how to say it the way they do – even if I can't speak the language! That's not PC (for people silly enough to put stock in that made up term), that's respect. If a group wants a different recognition than the one born out of racism or that was used to justify slavery/imperialism/colonialism etc – than respect that. Why is that so hard? …Unless you see yourself as superior. Last edited by preston on Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:58 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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"Blacks" didn't want to be part of Africa (though with time it has modified) and "Blacks" was also more all-encompassing in a political sense – it grabbed more common people, of disparate backgrounds, to serve in a single constituency – so its acceptance became stronger. "People of Color" is an attempt to co-opt even more people into a super minority/majority (or is that vice-versa) and including all "minorities" that aren't "white"; it includes Asians of all stripes, Caribbean/African/European "minorities" as a way around geographically challenged terms like "African-American". But, politics also had a downside to people who thought they could just co-opt the largest numbers…it forgot about the people who wanted to opt out. So in the last decade or so you've seen the bi-racial, multi-racial and others…because as Malcolm Gladwell so eloquently stated in his New Yorker piece Black Like Them http://www.gladwell.com/1996/1996_04_29_a_black.htm , "nobody wants to be the nigger". Bi-racial and multi-racial, (half-caste? Really? Wow!) … many believe, don't want to be "black" not because multiracial and some of the other terms are more accurate – they are – but because of the stigma attached to being of/from Black, Africa, African-American and all points in between that they are desperate to shake. So now we have the different names and designations (which were always a debate among "academicians") … it's the f***ing Sneeches, Dr. Seuss! Last edited by preston on Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:01 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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THAT is the reason why some felt that there HAD to be a connection to Africa, hence the mangled and contrived, but completely acceptable to many … African-American. However, many American and Caribbean "Blacks" had no connection to Africa and felt that it was a stretch – in addition to the fact that American and Caribbean blacks looked down upon Africans and Africa in many respects; "blacks" saw it as they learned it from their white overlords: as primitive and uncivilized – The Dark Continent. Last edited by preston on Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:01 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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In the beginning of the movie Deep Cover, Jeff Goldblum's character (David Jason) asks Laurence Fishburne's character (Russell Stevens, Jr) the following question: "What's the difference between a black man and a nigger?" Fishburne answers, "the nigger's the one who would even answer that question."
Please tell me you're kidding? Speaking of "Black people" as monolithic and iconoclastic is just arrogant. "Black's" aren't going around changing the name(s) to piss off people in Louisiana (who've been known to have their own issues with race…sambo, mulatto, quadroon, etc). There was never a vote taken and it was never up for the consultation of most "blacks". "Black" changed due to "black" academics (and politicians) feeling a need to answer the question "what do we call ourselves" BECAUSE everything else is what "blacks" HAD BEEN called (this had some validity) - and most time not out of love. This is how self-determination happens. You try to define a way forward. The initial recoil to "black", like "colored" was that it was the same thing: a color…and treated as a "taint" and "white" was treated as "pure" (if you were 1/16th "black", you were "black" – even if you were obviously 15/16th "white"!). Plus, "black" had no origin; and it was believed – and still is – that a people without a place of origin could never know who they were (Most "Black" Americans [or "blacks of the Americas"…Brazil, South America, Caribbean] have no clue where in Africa they are from or which tribe/peoples (yet many Europeans can point out the origin of their forebears going back to the 16th century - if not further). But, I guess all is forgiven now that there are DNA tests that can be done with a swab to the mouth ). Last edited by preston on Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:57 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Re: Black question[cont #5]
"Shvartses!: No, no, zayt nisht meshuge! Loz im geyn! Cop a walk, it's alright. Abi gezint! Take off! Hosti gezen in dayne lebn? They darker than us! Woof!" -Indian Chief, Blazing Saddles And, what does all this Indian stuff have to do with a thread on "black"? Are you trying to trivialize and marginalize people trying to find who they are without input from the Vice-Chancellory (The Man!)? Are you not a Star Trek fan? Don't like the prime directive? Why are you so hung up on rolling your eyes and calling things politically correct? You do it a LOT! Newsflash, it's about respect, not the vomit inducing, made-up term, politically correct. You also point out that you've never experienced discrimination when it appears, according to Marlow, that the likelihood of you "passing" (a term used by "blacks" for very light skinned "blacks" [or "skind-did" in the south sometimes], usually women, attempting to conceal that they were "black" by Western standards to fit into the larger "white" world) was very high. Not trying to minimize YOUR experience, but your ability to blend in could be a reason why you never met some of the challenges you seem to be dismissing. I'm just guessing…and I concede ahead of time that I could have completely misrepresented what you were trying to say. If I have, it's not my intention; I'm just letting you know how it reads – to me.
Please show where a "black person" on this forum has identified themselves as "of Negro ancestry". Show the use of those exact words. I don't think you can. And, your "aware" test is fraught with danger, because if someone says, "yeah, I love to be called N-word" then everything is alright? That would be "horseshit" - which would NOT be a play on an Indian name by the way. (that would also be a joke. Or is that too insensitive?)
N-word is always wrong; you don't need confirmation information to decipher that. Yup, even when "black" people use it (and disgustingly try to defend it); and what's more…"black" people know it's wrong. Last edited by preston on Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:02 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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