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Tue Dec 18, 2012, 05:27 PM
rustydog (8,349 posts)
How in Hell does one come to the conclusion that more guns
more concealed carry, more firepower out there is the answer to this senseless slaughter of Americans?
Jesus, kill them all, Christ! Putting firearms in the untrained arms of TEACHERS doesn't mean they automatically win and the shooter is dead...Just because I take my glock 19 to my grandsons kindergarten recital (how fucking insane is THAT?) doesn't mean the evil shooter will lose and I win with an automatic kill..I still have to have the ABILITY to recognize the threat, the shooter and then be able to kill him first. God Damn it people, use your brains. Stop with the fucking NRA induced talking points and work at stopping this insanity.
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27 replies | Author | Time | Post |
How in Hell does one come to the conclusion that more guns (Original post) |
rustydog | Dec 2012 | OP |
Major Nikon | Dec 2012 | #1 | |
Warpy | Dec 2012 | #2 | |
kestrel91316 | Dec 2012 | #13 | |
Warpy | Dec 2012 | #14 | |
RegieRocker | Dec 2012 | #3 | |
louis-t | Dec 2012 | #6 | |
RegieRocker | Dec 2012 | #8 | |
rustydog | Dec 2012 | #9 | |
RegieRocker | Dec 2012 | #11 | |
rustydog | Dec 2012 | #12 | |
RegieRocker | Dec 2012 | #15 | |
neverforget | Dec 2012 | #21 | |
RegieRocker | Dec 2012 | #23 | |
louis-t | Dec 2012 | #4 | |
struggle4progress | Dec 2012 | #5 | |
geomon666 | Dec 2012 | #7 | |
0rganism | Dec 2012 | #17 | |
geomon666 | Dec 2012 | #18 | |
htuttle | Dec 2012 | #10 | |
ComplimentarySwine | Dec 2012 | #16 | |
Fumesucker | Dec 2012 | #19 | |
RegieRocker | Dec 2012 | #25 | |
Zoeisright | Dec 2012 | #20 | |
RegieRocker | Dec 2012 | #24 | |
Care Acutely | Dec 2012 | #22 | |
ann--- | Dec 2012 | #26 | |
deutsey | Dec 2012 | #27 |
Response to rustydog (Original post)
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 05:28 PM
Major Nikon (12,099 posts)
1. We need more gun nuts to protect us from the gun nuts
Disclaimer(s): No, I did not mean to piss you off. If it does, ask me and I'll remove it. Thank you for your cooperation. Cheers!
Response to rustydog (Original post)
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 05:29 PM
Warpy (73,195 posts)
2. Well, if Lanza's Mom had a gun, this wouldn't have happened!
Oh, wait...
Capitalism is the extraordinary belief that the nastiest of men for the nastiest of motives will somehow work for the benefit of all. - John Maynard Keynes
Response to Warpy (Reply #2)
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 06:38 PM
kestrel91316 (48,769 posts)
13. Her only problem was that she didn't have ENOUGH guns, see.
Stop trying to tell me that weather and climate have nothing to do with each other. Weather + Time = Climate.
Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #13)
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 06:39 PM
Warpy (73,195 posts)
14. Ah, silly me. Or that she didn't have one in her hand and ready
when her son walked into her bedroom.
Capitalism is the extraordinary belief that the nastiest of men for the nastiest of motives will somehow work for the benefit of all. - John Maynard Keynes
Response to rustydog (Original post)
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 05:30 PM
RegieRocker (4,226 posts)
3. St. Louis County Sheriff
Has proposed doing just that. Training key individuals in schools so that they have the same level of training as the officers who would respond. So your logic is??????
Response to RegieRocker (Reply #3)
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 05:34 PM
louis-t (12,952 posts)
6. Oh, I see, "key individuals"
And if the "key individual" is the first shot in a rampage? Go back to your daydreams where Ted Nugent is always the guy next to you in the bank when it gets robbed.
Response to louis-t (Reply #6)
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 05:35 PM
RegieRocker (4,226 posts)
8. Your logic fails
miserably. Then why have police? It's mind blowing the way you think.
Response to louis-t (Reply #6)
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 05:36 PM
rustydog (8,349 posts)
9. That is what I hate about this simplistic response to such a horrific tragedy
Just because we put guns in schools does NOT mean the shooter loses!
Response to rustydog (Reply #9)
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 05:39 PM
RegieRocker (4,226 posts)
11. So you're saying having police
is a waste? What is their purpose then?
Response to RegieRocker (Reply #11)
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 05:43 PM
rustydog (8,349 posts)
12. Who said anything abouut disarming cops? Did it hurt when you pulled that out of your butt?
No, I'm saying in EVERY FUCKING mass shooting, not ONE fucking civilian conceal carry "hero" stopped or prevented any of the shootings.
The meme from the NRA is a false premise. It might make you "feel safer", but the odds are in the favor of the bad guy killilng you. |
Response to rustydog (Reply #12)
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 06:42 PM
RegieRocker (4,226 posts)
15. More anti gunner b.s.
How does it smell up there for you?
Response to RegieRocker (Reply #11)
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 12:16 AM
neverforget (6,835 posts)
21. LEO's are trained for that. That is their job. Is it really that hard to understand?
The whole "To Serve and Protect" thing....
"I'm tired of ignorance held up as inspiration, where vicious anti-intellectualism is considered a positive trait, and where uninformed opinion is displayed as fact." Phill Plait, Bad Astronomy
Response to neverforget (Reply #21)
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 06:41 AM
RegieRocker (4,226 posts)
23. Seems to be for you obviously
Key individuals need to be trained and armed in schools.
Response to rustydog (Original post)
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 05:31 PM
louis-t (12,952 posts)
4. I am calling the repugs in my office Pavlov's Dog
when they spew their nonsense about this. "The bell rings and out come the NRA talking points."
They REALLY hate it. |
Response to rustydog (Original post)
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 05:34 PM
struggle4progress (76,206 posts)
5. I'd guess this originated as a manufacturers' talking point
Blamblamblam! Guns killin you and yer loved ones? Buy guns! Blamblamblamblam! Guns still killin you and yer loved ones? Buy more guns! Blamblamblamblamblam! Guns still killin you and yer loved ones? Buy still more guns! Blamblamblamblamblamblam!
Give me the courage to change what I can change, the patience to accept what I cannot change, and the wisdom to hide the bodies of people I had to kill because they pissed me off -- St Francis, Revisited
Response to rustydog (Original post)
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 05:34 PM
geomon666 (5,866 posts)
7. It's a deflection.
They don't want to lose their dick sticks (guns) so any excuse other than guns being the problem is good even if it makes absolutely no sense.
Response to geomon666 (Reply #7)
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 07:38 PM
0rganism (17,136 posts)
17. more than deflection, it's a gift to the arms manufacturers
Suppose each and every public school across the country has to train and arm a percentage of CCW "security qualified" teachers/janitors/administrators.
Let's say it averages out to around 60 people per school district. Hell, let's be generous and say 10 of them already have their own CCW permits and ...err... equipment. So we arm another 50 people per district. There are over 16000 school districts in the USA. 16000 X 50 X $500 for a decent handgun & shoulder holster = $400000000. $400 million dollars. That's a fair bit of cash dished out from the public coffers directly to the gun makers. If they can push this hard enough in the right direction, they stand to come out smelling like a rose and make a buck along the way. |
Response to 0rganism (Reply #17)
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 12:00 AM
geomon666 (5,866 posts)
18. Nice
I didn't even think of the cash flow to the arms industry.
Response to rustydog (Original post)
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 05:36 PM
htuttle (21,257 posts)
10. It's the classic: "If all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail" problem
Violence seems to be the only tool that Americans can come up with in response to most threats. Ergo, we try to solve most problems with violence of once sort or another.
Probably stems from the whole 'vindictive, punishing god' theory that so many of us are also into. |
Response to rustydog (Original post)
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 07:26 PM
ComplimentarySwine (515 posts)
16. Then please explain why
all of these mass shootings seem to conveniently happen in these "gun free safe zones." Also, explain why the mall shooter recently took his own life upon just SEEING a legal concealed weapon holder pull out a gun and get ready to shoot him.
Response to ComplimentarySwine (Reply #16)
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 12:05 AM
Fumesucker (34,937 posts)
19. Well that's the CCW holder's opinion
Which may or may not coincide with reality but it certainly makes him look like a hero.
Response to ComplimentarySwine (Reply #16)
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 06:48 AM
RegieRocker (4,226 posts)
25. No way to have
a rational 2 way conersation with anti gun nuttery.
Response to rustydog (Original post)
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 12:06 AM
Zoeisright (8,339 posts)
20. Not ONE mass shooting has EVER been ended by a civilian shooter.
Gun humpers conveniently ignore that fact.
Armed civilians attempting to intervene are actually more likely to increase the bloodshed, says Hargarten, "given that civilian shooters are less likely to hit their targets than police in these circumstances." A chaotic scene in August at the Empire State Building put this starkly into perspective when New York City police officers confronting a gunman wounded nine innocent bystanders. http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/mass-shootings-investigation You're allowed to have your own opinions. You're not allowed to have your own facts.
Response to Zoeisright (Reply #20)
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 06:45 AM
RegieRocker (4,226 posts)
24. That is OK though isn't it
Last edited Wed Dec 19, 2012, 06:46 AM - Edit history (2) when the Police do it. The anti gun nut frenzi would start if a armed civilian hit nine innocent bystanders. Dealing with nuttery is tiresome.
Response to rustydog (Original post)
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 12:34 AM
Care Acutely (1,370 posts)
22. K & R. Fuck the NRA and their idiotic right-wing parrots.
SKWAAAK! We need more guns! Guns don't kill people! SKWAAAAK!
No more capitulation to the Cultists of the Gun. Guns are NOT more important than people.
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Response to rustydog (Original post)
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 07:08 AM
deutsey (17,476 posts)
27. Same mentality that insists more tax cuts are the answer
These people are true believers, ideologues who can never be wrong about what they believe. The problem, according to this mentality, is that we never go far enough in implementing the purity of their ideology, despite all the evidence of just how disastrous their way of thinking is.
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The town site was platted by the Arkalon Town Company on May 10, 1888, one day after a post office called Arkalon had been established. Many of its settlers moved here from Fargo Springs and Springfield. However, the town was in an area of hills and had deep sand which caused many problems for getting supplies into and out of town. Despite the unforgiving ground, Arkalon was a vital shipping area for close to twenty years. It was the flood of 1914 that doomed the existence of the Arkalon because it wiped out a bridge that lead to the town over the Cimarron River. Shortly after this happened, the Chicago, Rock Island and Pacific Railroad moved its operations to Liberal. By 1920, there were few people remaining in the town, as many of them had left and moved to Liberal. The post office closed in 1929.
The ethnicity of its settlers is unknown.
Fitzgerald, Daniel. "Ghost Towns of Kansas". Lawrence: University Press of Kansas, 1988.
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I Think Republicans Are Deeply Confused
And Are Hypocrites Too!
So do you all remember Lou Dobbs? He who made his TV career out of screaming anti-immigrant messages at us from CNN until he was finally given the boot? Yes? Sorry to remind you of him... but....You will remember his BIG ISSUE was that he was not really against the immigrant, after all, the poor little wetback was just trying to get an illegal job.... what he REALLY hated were the people who HIRED THEM... particularly those who claimed to not know that they were hiring illegals....
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The Nation article exposing this appears to be well-documented. People may be ideologically opposed to the Nation, but they aren't known for shoddy reporting or fact-finding.
Lou Dobbs is the poster child for hypocrisy. -
Elfie, this is classic. He attacks the attacker rather than acknowledging the truth of the charge.
Bill Clinton was pounced on and so was John Edwards.......... How about Edward Kennedy or John F Kennedy?............... There are many such cases that could be brought up.
Stroller seems to have a case of selective memory -
The above comment is quite typical of right-wing double think. First the poster CLAIMS that he is not here to defend either of these hypocrites, (although his avatar is a tea-party flag and one of his only two groups states he is against the President -- right.) THEN he claims (without a shred of evidence to support it) that the "liberal media" (a statement again made with NO SUPPORT -- personally I find the media to be very conservative), is quick to "pounce" on Republicans.
SINCE WHEN is reporting the facts a POUNCE?
Then he claims, again without support, that the Democrats are NEVER attacked... oh really? Does this poster perhaps read as many newspapers as Sarah Palin? NONE? I see constant reports of politicians of ALL STRIPES being attacked. Then we note that he swipes at the party of fiscal responsibility, education, social justice and pro-people health care as not standing for anything.
Personally, I will take the Democrats over the hypocritical right wingers of the Republicans, or the brain-dead tea partiers ANYDAY! -
Yes it does....
But when will the right wingers wake up and realize that all their heroes are either hypocrites or just plain nuts? -
Here in California, the Rep candidate for governor, Meg Whitman, who is very anti-immigrant, just got outed for having a undocumented maid for 9 years - and the maid has proof Whitman knew of h er status. Kind of reminds you of the rabid anti-gay folks having homosexual affairs doesn't it?


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Florida lags behind only Texas when it comes to the percentage of the population without health insurance so yes by all means lets look for ways to undermine any efforts to use the affordable health care act to help more people get insurance and have access to health care - it's much more important to come up with more criticism of our president - do any of you give a rats a-- about your fellow floridians -could you possibly discuss how to make sure that the majority of the citizens of Florida have the ability to obtain insurance - have access to preventative care and lower the overall cost of health care - does it ever occur to you that this is the conversation we should be having - do you care at all about other citizens of this state - could you look beyond your hatred for this president to consider what might be best for the citizens of our state for just a minute
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August 6th, 1998
NOTE: An edited version of this letter was published on the Seattle Times Op-Ed page on August 23, 1998.
My name is Keith Johnson. I am a Makah Indian and President of the Makah Whaling Commission, made up of representatives from 23 traditional whaling families of our Tribe. For the past three years we have been reading the attacks made on us by animal rights organizations, aimed at stopping our whale hunt. These attacks contain distortions, exaggerations and outright falsehoods. Reading these things has sickened and angered me and I feel I must speak out.
We plan to conduct a whale hunt this year, sometime in October or November. While we are legally authorized to take up to five whales per year, our management plan limits the number of landed whales over a five year period to 20, or an average of four per year. But I want to point out that our Whaling Commission will issue a permit only if there is an unmet need in the community, so it is possible that as little as one whale per year will be taken if that will suffice to meet our needs.
Whaling has been part of our tradition for over 2,000 years. Although we had to stop in the 1920s because of the scarcity of gray whales, their abundance now makes it possible to resume our ancient practice of whale hunting. Many of our Tribal members feel that our health problems result from the loss of our traditional sea food and sea mammal diet. We would like to restore the meat of the whale to that diet. We also believe that the problems which are troubling our young people stem from lack of discipline and pride and we hope that the restoration of whaling will help to restore that discipline and pride. But we also want to fulfill the legacy of our forefathers and restore a part of our culture which was taken from us.
Before entering into negotiations with the Makah for cessions of our extensive lands on the Olympic Peninsula in 1855, the United States government was fully aware that our people lived primarily on whale, seal and fish. They knew that we hunted several species of whales and had a substantial commerce in whale oil which had brought us prosperity.
When the United States Territorial Governor, Isaac Stevens, arrived at Neah Bay in December of 1855 to enter into negotiations with our leaders, he was met with strong declarations from them that in exchange for ceding our lands to the United States they demanded guarantees of their rights on the ocean and specifically, of the right to take whale. The treaty minutes show Governor Stevens saying to the Makahs:
The Great Father knows what whalers you arehow you go far to sea to take whale.
He went on to promise U.S. assistance in promoting our whaling commerce. He then presented a Treaty containing the specific guaranty of the United States securing the right of the Makahs to continue whaling. The Treaty was accepted by us. It is the only treaty ever made by the United States that contained such a guaranty. The Treaty was ratified by the Congress in 1855 and has since been upheld by all the Courts and the Supreme Court. To us it is as powerful and meaningful a document as the U.S. Constitution is to you, because it is what our forefathers bequeathed to us. In fact, one of our whalers has said that when he is in the canoe whaling, he will be reaching back in time and holding hands with his great grandfathers, who wanted us to be able to whale.
Absolutely not! Yet animal rights groups like Sea Shepherd continue to insist that we secretly plan to sell whale meat to Japan. That claim has been repeated endlessly by other animal rights groups. It is utterly false.
Although our Treaty guaranteed a commercial right, we have agreed to limit ourselves to non-commercial whaling. We are bound by Federal Law and our own Tribal Law not to sell any whale meat. We have no plan to sell whale meat in the future. We also believe that Sea Shepherd is well aware of this but chooses to continue to accuse us of planning to sell whale meat in order to generate continued financial contributions.
Though it may be difficult for some people to accept, we are acting out of purely cultural motives. In fact, it is costing our Tribe an enormous amount of money to carry on the whale hunting program. It is conducted solely because that is our Treaty right and because it fulfills a deep cultural need in our members. It is, if you please, part of our religion, because for us, culture means religion.
Absolutely not. The Eastern Pacific or California gray whale has been studied by scientists around the world and it is established that the gray whale population is currently at an all-time high of around 22,000. The population continues to increase at 2½% per year, despite an annual harvest which has gone as high as 165 by Russian aborigines, called Chukotki.
The gray whale was removed from the endangered species list in 1994 and the population is now considered to be at its maximum level. In fact some biologists have raised the question of whether the number of gray whales may be nearing the carrying capacity of their range, that is, the number that can be supported by the food resources in that range. No reputable biologist or whale scientist has suggested that our taking five whales a year will present any conservation threat whatsoever to the gray whale stock.
The fact that no one can legitimately argue that this is a conservation threat is one of the main reasons why two of Americas leading conservation organizations have refused to join in the attack on our whaling: The Sierra Club and Greenpeace. There are animal rights activists within those organizations who are trying to get them to come out against our whaling, but they have steadfastly refused because they do not see this as a conservation issue, they refuse to be drawn into the animal rights issue and they will not oppose indigenous peoples rights.
Our attackers continue to claim that we are disregarding the views of the majority of our members. They repeatedly publicize in the media and elsewhere the views of two women who are members of the Tribe and are outspoken opponents of whaling. While we respect the right of all of our members to hold and to express their views on any subject, I must respectfully point out that these two women do not speak for anywhere near the majority of the Tribe and there are other Elders who strongly support whaling.
In the last opinion poll we held on the issue, 85% of those voting favored whaling. There is a faction within our Tribe which is opposed to whaling, but they are a distinct minority.
I can say proudly that the Makah Tribal Council and the Makah Whaling Commission represents the strongly held views of the vast majority of our members that we should go back to whaling as our ancestors did before us and as they wished us to do when they negotiated the treaty right which we have.
We were the premier whalers on the American continent and were able to enjoy a prosperous life because of our whaling trade. Our forefathers bequeathed our right to whale to us in our Treaty and we feel that a treaty right which cannot be exercised is no right. I can tell you that our Tribe is not prepared to abandon our treaty right.
We will hunt the whale from one or two sea going canoes, each carved from a single cedar log by Indian carvers. Each canoe will be manned by a crew of eight whalers and will include a harpooner and rifleman. Both these men will be stationed in the bow. The harpooner will use a stainless steel harpoon mounted on a wooden shaft. It will be connected to the canoe by a rope with floats attached. The harpooner will throw the harpoon at the whale. Immediately afterwards, or simultaneously, the rifleman will fire a special high powered rifle using a .50 caliber round. We are using this specially designed rifle and this ammunition on the specific recommendation of Dr. Allen Ingling, a Veterinarian. Dr. Ingling is also a specialist in arms and the humane killing of animals. This weapon has been tested by Dr. Ingling, who has worked with the National Marine Mammal Laboratory of the National Marine Fisheries Service. Dr. Ingling has instructed us on the target area to be hit so as to bring about almost instantaneous loss of consciousness and death of the whale.
The use of the special rifle has been attacked by many animal rights groups as brutal and non-traditional. I believe these attacks are dishonest. In the 19th century, we didnt use such a weapon; we used harpoons and spears. The whale often died after a prolonged and agonizing period of time from internal bleeding. That was not humane.
Groups such as Sea Shepherd will not be deterred by our showing that we are using a humane method. I wonder what they would say if we could dispatch the whale by using a hypodermic needle that would bring about swift and instantaneous death? I think they would condemn that because a hypodermic needle was not a traditional weapon of the Makahs.
I dont hear any of these animal rights groups attacking us for conducting the hunt with a canoe. The lives of at least eight people will be at risk on the dangerous waters of the Pacific in October and November to hunt the whale. That is our traditional method. If we wanted to abandon all cultural tradition, we would simply use a deck mounted cannon firing a harpoon into the whale. No, our canoe has been carved by traditional carvers and will be paddled by eight whalers who have sanctified themselves by rituals that are ancient and holy to us. The hunt is being conducted in a manner which is both traditional and modern.
The Sea Shepherd organization has been making sweeping claims that if we hunt a whale, whales will begin attacking humans throughout the waters of the State of Washington and devastate the whale watching industry throughout the state. This is complete nonsense.
First of all, most of the whale watching in Washington State is focused on orcas, not gray whales, and takes place in Puget Sound and the eastern area of the Strait of Juan de Fuca. As for gray whales, whale watching on this species is primarily concentrated in Westport, far from any area where we will be hunting whales.
The idea that whales will somehow begin to act aggressively against humans in boats or change their migratory path to avoid boats is false. The whales passing through the waters of Washington State have come here after being hunted and attacked in the Bering sea by Russian indigenous people called Chukotki. The Chukotki have been hunting the gray whale for over 40 years and there is no evidence that gray whales have attacked other boats after having been struck by Chukotki whalers. Nor is there any evidence that whales communicate with each other and spread the message that humans are the enemy, to be attacked or avoided. This is a fantasy promoted by animal rights activists to advance their argument that our activities will harm the whale watching business. The charge that our whaling somehow presents a threat to marine activities on the waters of the State of Washington is a gigantic fiction dreamed up by imaginative animal rights activists who will go to any lengths to stop our whaling.
It is hard for us to explain to outsiders our cultural attitudes about whaling. Some of us find it repugnant to even have to explain this to anyone else. But let me tell you about my own case.
I have a Bachelors Degree in Education from Central Washington University. I was the first Makah teacher in the Neah Bay School System from 1972 through 1976. I received my principals credentials from Western Washington University in 1975 and served as Vice Principal of the Neah Bay Schools in 1976 and between 1990 and 1997.
Have I lost my culture? No. I come from a whaling family. My great grandfather, Andrew Johnson, was a whaler. He landed his last whale in 1907. My grandfather, Sam Johnson, was present when the whale was landed and told me he played on the whales tail. I lived with my grandfather for 16 years and heard his stories about our whaling tradition and the stories of family whaling told by my father Percy and my uncle Clifford. When I was a teenager I was initiated into Makah whaling rituals by my uncle Clifford. While I cannot divulge the details of these rituals, which are sacred, they involve isolation, bathing in icy waters and other forms of ritual cleansing. These rituals are still practiced today and I have been undergoing rituals to prepare me for the whaling which is to come this year. Other families are using their own rituals.
When the idea of resuming whaling first spread through our village, I was intensely excited, and so was my whole family. In fact, I can say I was ecstatic about the idea of resuming the hunt; something my grandfather was never able to do. I am proud to carry on my family legacy and my father is overjoyed because he is going to see this in his lifetime.
I can tell you that all of the Makah whalers are deeply stirred by the prospect of whaling. We are undergoing a process of mental and physical toughening now. I feel the cultural connection to whaling in my blood. I feel it is honoring my blood to go whaling. We are committed to this because it is our connection to our Tribal culture and because it is a treaty rightnot because we see the prospect of money. We are willing to risk our lives for no money at all. The only reward we will receive will be the spiritual satisfaction of hunting and dispatching the whale and bringing it back to our people to be distributed as food and exercising our treaty right.
Recently the Progressive Animal Welfare Society (PAWS) distributed a brochure in which they implied we have lost our cultural need for whaling because we have adapted to modern life. They cite our ...lighted tennis courts...Federal Express...and other amenities... Well, excuse me! I want to tell PAWS that the two tennis courts on our high school grounds have no lights. How about the fact that Federal Express makes deliveries to our reservation? Does that mean that we have lost our culture?
These attacks on our culture and our status are foolish. No one can seriously question who we are; we are a small Native American Tribe who were the whalers of the American continent. We retain our whaling traditions today. It resonates through all of our people from the youngest to the oldest, and we dont take kindly to other people trying to tell us what our culture is or should be.
Animal rights groups have been scaring each other and pumping up the claim that if we whale, it will mean the collapse of all restrictions against commercial whaling and whaling will be resumed everywhere. This is nonsense. If there are other indigenous peoples who have a legitimate whaling culture and whaling tradition, then they should be allowed to whale just as we do. The rest is all hype promoted by anti-whaling organizations to try to stop us from killing a single whale.
The leader of the pack attacking us is The Sea Shepherd Conservation Society. They have been responsible for a steady stream of propaganda aimed at inflaming the public against us, some of which has been repeated by other anti-whaling groups, who have assumed it was factual.
Who is Sea Shepherd? They are a California based organization which has for years operated on the fringe of mainstream conservation groups. They have built a flourishing organization supported by contributions from around the world. They portray themselves as the swashbucklers of the ocean because they have sunk whaling ships. This action has earned them the label of a terrorist organization and they have been barred from attending the deliberations of the International Whaling Commission even as observers since 1987. They applied for readmission in 1995 and the IWC again denied them admission. They threatened to sink our boats if we whaled without IWC sanction, smug in the assumption (wrong as turned out) that we would never get approval from the IWC. They have since churned out reams of material attacking us.
We cant hope to keep up with this barrage by Sea Shepherd and others. These groups are well financed. Sea Shepherd, for example, is sufficiently well financed to operate two ocean going vessels, a submarine, an airplane, a helicopter and other water borne craft. It seems to me that Sea Shepherd is actually in the commercial whaling business themselves and were their best ticket now.
The arguments and claims put out by Sea Shepherd and the other anti-whaling groups are designed to inflame the public against us and to attack the honesty of our motives. They mask the real aim of these groups: to prevent the killing of a single whale.
Some people honestly believe that it is wrong to kill one of these animals. Maybe their minds are made up, but I want to say to them that we Makahs know the whales, probably better than most people. We are out on the waters of the ocean constantly and we have lived with and among whales for over 2,000 years. We are not a cruel people. Some of us have even gone into the water to free whales who became entangled in netsa dangerous undertaking. But we have an understanding of the relationship between people and the mammals of the sea and land. We are a part of each of each others life. We are all part of the natural world and predation is also part of life on this planet. So orca whales attack and eat whales and whale calves as well as seals and fish. Those who regard the orcas simply as cute may prefer to ignore this side of their nature. But there is a reason they are called killer whales. In fact, they were originally called whale killers.
I want to deal with the claims of those who would romanticize the whale and ascribe almost human characteristics to it. To attribute to gray whales near human intelligence is romantic nonsenseas any professional whale biologist can tell you. The photographs of gray whales surfacing to be petted by people are all taken in the calving lagoons of Baja, California and Mexico. This behavior is not exhibited by gray whales anywhere else, particularly by migrating whales passing through our waters.
The whales we will hunt are migrating whales and we will not hunt any mother whale with a calf.
Whales have captured the publics fascination. Whales are definitely in. Does that mean that Indians are out? The world has had a similar fascination with us and our cultures, but whenever we had something you wanted or did something you didnt like, you tried to impose your values on us. The Federal government even tried to stamp out our potlatch tradition because they thought it was backward and impoverishing. Too often white society has demonstrated this kind of cultural arrogance. We dont take well to Sea Shepherd or PAWS telling us we should rise to a higher level of culture by not whaling. To us the implication that our culture is inferior if we believe in whaling is demeaning and racist.
We feel that the whaling issue has been exploited by extremists who have taken liberties with the facts in order to advance their agenda. We understand that there are many people who legitimately believe that it is wrong to kill a whale. But we feel that the zealousness and self-righteousness which emanates from the animal rights community has led to dishonesty and extremism. To them I would say that we may have deeper feelings for the whale than you or your forebears. We ask that you show some respect for Indian culture and that you stop the lies and distortions. The Makah people have been hurt by these attacks, but nevertheless we are committed to continuing in what we feel is the right path.
We Makahs hope that the general public will try to understand and respect our culture and ignore the attacks of extremists.
Keith Johnson President, Makah Whaling Commission
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Building a Better Filter Isn't What's Holding Us Back: An Interview with blueEnergy's Mathias Craig
Over on the Stanford Social Innovation Review blog, I will soon publish a post entitled "Innovation Obsession Disorder". My basic point is that we get all hot and gooey about great innovations but we tend to lose interest after the innovative pilot has been launched. The world is full of great innovative projects that can't move beyond the pilot stage. And we, the world, are the losers.
I think there are some practical steps that could be taken to address this problem and I will get into them in my SSIR post. But first, I thought it would be useful to hear from two great social innovators who have encountered this issue on the ground.
We'll start with Mathias Craig who started blueEnergy in 2002 while he was a graduate student at MIT. blueEnergy works to ensure that even the most isolated poor get the energy, clean water and sanitation they need to live a healthy, productive life. blueEnergy's model is to adapt appropriate technologies to the local context while emphasizing deep community engagement, local capacity building and working through partnerships at the international, national and local levels. blueEnergy has worked with 18 communities, mostly on the Caribbean Coast of Nicaragua, bringing energy, water and sanitation services to over 5,000 people, with many receiving multiple services.
A key to blueEnergy's model is engaging international volunteers and financial support to complement locally available resources. Over 250 international volunteers have worked with blueEnergy and financial support has been provided by Hivos, the Good Energies Foundation, Renewable World, Danida, Christianadelphia Meal a Day Foundation and L'île de France, among others, as well as a small dedicated group of individual donors.
Mathias is an Ashoka Fellow and CNN Hero.
Here is Mathias in his own words.
The Poison of the Social Sector
I've always had mixed feelings about the concept of Innovation unless it includes adapting existing technology, processes and methodologies to new places. Because why should inventing new things be a priority over just making existing solutions work in new places? I see this all the time in the world... the need exists, the solution exists... but there is no bridge between the two and they don't naturally connect on their own. The competition to be "innovative" is often at the detriment to collaboration and cooperation between institutions - which is just a real killer. I often call it the "poison of the social sector" – a situation in which organizations have to out-compete others in being shinier, newer, sexier rather than sitting down together and figuring out how to amplify their common strategies to create more net impact.
Too much 'doing'?
I think there is too much emphasis on "doing" in the development space, and not enough on "reflecting", "sharing", "planning", etc. It's a human bias - we want to see concrete things get done. But just charging out there building stuff and installing it, without all the other actions, leads to marginal impact at best. The world is a showcase for this kind of failed development. Of course the end goal is to "do", but without the other parts often the wrong things get "done".
We need more collaboration, more sharing, more reflecting. And that effort requires different skills from doing and it needs to be funded. Social impact organizations are all under-funded and over-worked and simply asking them to do more unfunded work is generally not very productive. So social impact organizations need to capture and communicate the critical "non-doing" work they do and funders need to understand the value in funding these fuzzy, "soft" activities that lead to much deeper, bigger impact in the long-term.
Einstein said it best, "Everything that can be counted does not necessarily count; everything that counts cannot necessarily be counted." Intuitively we know this, yet the sector continues to overly fund the tangible, and underfund the critically important intangible, with predictable consequences.
One of the most important lessons I have learned in my nearly ten years of working on blueEnergy is the importance of being able to effectively communicate your impact. For a long time I assumed that our good work would be noticed on its own and that this recognition would automatically lead to us getting the resources we needed to grow our impact. But I have learned the hard way that being able to package your impact in simple messaging and communicate it aggressively and strategically to the outside world is critical for engaging people and attracting the support you need to grow your impact. Without it, "interest" doesn't convert into "support". This is a great example of a "soft" activity that is as important as the work itself.
New culture, new politics, new natural landscape, new everything
Personally, I think there is too much emphasis on organizations expanding geographically, rather than building effective regional and global networks to strengthen existing organizations where they are -- where they have the experience and relationships and already understand the context. In many contexts, it is a lot easier to build skills to help organizations improve their programs and even expand into new program areas, than it is for an organization to move into a new geography -- where they have to deal with new culture, new politics, new natural landscape, new everything. This isn't a universal truth; big, strong, for-profit enterprises selling consumer goods can expand more easily into new geographies because they push their pre-established "brand" and they have the resources to create culture change top down through marketing. But for social enterprises working in the most marginalized places to create fundamental change, this is not the case.
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Yes, you're right and I apologize. I wasn't sure whether it was still WIP or final, hence my confusion (and thanx for the "Jefferies Separator", I shall - of course - use that term henceforth
Donny, I believe I know that feeling from the Deck 6 plan and analysis I just finished. Try to take longer breaks to resupply yourself with energy. After 50 years a couple of days more or less shouldn't matter that much.
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Even before Hurricane Sandy struck the east coast, Red Cross volunteers from Kansas City were there and ready. You may be surprised at the kinds of volunteers who are serving.
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Hoskin complimented Shannon for inviting the soldiers to the Capitol.
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We value your service and we're eternally grateful. You guys are making tremendous sacrifices each and every day and I hope we don't ever take it for granted."
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"Not crowded at all during the week, got a lot of good runs in. Plenty of trails and good snow."
14 hours ago at Camelback Mountain Resort.
"went from 9-4 on a weekday with no night runs and still paid full price for half a day. not worth going until the hours of operation extend. "
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The article was out last year in Times I believe. I read about it in 2007 in the Globe and send it to all my e-mail list.
We have doing this for over a decade and yet no book. I call it living Carbon neutral or leaving a non impact food print.
You can take an air plane, but then much has to be done to compensate for this impact.


text: >>> I have one comment though. I am not sure about renaming syscall.ko to >>> syscall_freebsd.ko. >> I've renamed it for consistency with other systrace provider variants. >> I can change it back. > > I think that I would prefer this. > If only for POLA reasons. Done. New patch is here: https://sites.google.com/site/abc678site/files/dt-systrace-20101224.patch.gz By the way, the patch contains several files generated by "make sysent". If the patch is applied to sources other than stable/8 at 216436, then "make sysent" should be re-done in amd64/linux32, i386/linux and compat/freebsd32. --Artem