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Looks like the st angle is 71: http://www.breezerbikes.com/bikes/specs/uptown_8ReplyDelete
It's fair not to like the bike for the reasons you list but the knee pain one stands out.
You have to not only look at the st angle, but seat post set back, the amount of rail available for saddle adjustment , and the type of saddle.
If the published st spec is off then, with all the above, it can put you over the bb too much resulting in the knee pain and necessarily giving it a harsher ride.
I'd be inclined to dial in the ride more but understand it was a short ride, possibly with little adjustment opportunity.
And Joe Breeze is a God.
GR Jim - I agree in theory. But looking at the saddle's position (in person after riding the bike, and also in pictures here), it seems well within the range of normal to me. The "steepness" sensation I felt was so dramatic, that I don't think it can be explained by the saddle's positioning. I've ridden bikes with 74-75 deg st angles and did not experience this.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousNovember 8, 2011 at 12:03 PM
I read your comments with interest, because at Bicycle Quarterly, we tested a Breezer Uptown 8 a few years ago. We found it to perform very well, but then we tested the "Men's" version. I suspect that the "unitube" frame has a very different flex characteristic and feel.ReplyDelete
Regarding the lack of speed and the harshness, you don't mention the tires. They look like Schwalbe Marathons in the photos, in which case your comments would not surprise me. Different tires could make a large difference.
How long will you have the bike? I could send you a set of the new Compass 26" x 1.75" tires (assuming they fit), and you could see whether they make a difference.
A side shot of you would be telling. The saddle is all the way back already. I'll bet the st is 73-75 degrees.ReplyDelete
Could also be sloppy manufacturing.
"Looks like the st angle is 71"ReplyDelete
I was confused by this and followed your link. You are looking at the men's geo; the ladies' is here.
Oops, male-centric world view.ReplyDelete
I'd think the women's st should be slacker than the men's. Weird it gets.
I find this funny- because I started out bike commuting with a Breezer Uptown 8 and then got a custom Fastboy mixte. Both are very, very different and I agree with you that the Breezer is not a very fast (or very pretty) bike. It's a great in-town bike for short rides (very easy to get on and off, stop and start), but it is terrible on trails and long distance rides. Price-wise, the Breezer is a pretty good deal and I always recommend them as a good starter bike (I'm currently loaning mine right now :)ReplyDelete
I'm not sure how tall you are, but it might be that the model you rode is a bit small? I'm 5'8" and ride a 21".
Oh and one (or two) more things- for the 21" frame was a little long for my arms, so I swapped the handlebars with an alabatross one and it worked out very well.ReplyDelete
I should also add my Breezer was a 2006 model and didn't have the Marathons (similar but not with the super-duper antipuncture material). When I added a Brooks B67 spring saddle, the pothole/bump problem became almost nonexistent for me.
Jan - One reason I was curious to test ride this bike was the positive review in BQ. But you are right that it is pointless to compare our impressions: The diamond frame and U frame are not the same bike. Aside from the flex issue, they will often use different geometries on men's and women's frames as Jim noticed. I am not keeping this bike; this one was just a spontaneous 1-time test ride of the floor model at Harris Cyclery. I forgot what the tires were, but I am pretty sure they were not Schwalbe.ReplyDelete
Eunice - I am 5'6.5" and a larger frame would have been ideal, but actually this bike felt like a good fit - especially since I was able to have the saddle comparatively high in relation to the handlebars. Also, a smaller bike would typically be faster, not slower than a larger one, so I don't think this is it.
Oh, here we go: the tires are listed in their specs:ReplyDelete
WTB Freedom Cruz Sport, 26x1.5"
- AnonymousNovember 8, 2011 at 12:37 PM
Vacuum cleaner is on the mark. Breezer is now part of Advanced Sports, Inc. It would be very hard for an organization like that to produce anything with soul.ReplyDelete
I wonder if part of the problem may be in the handlebars.ReplyDelete
The bike is designed for an upright ride yet handlebars are not really swept-back. Maybe if you had the bars closer to your body you wouldn't be stretching your hands that much, you could eliminate wrist pain, sit more upright and maybe even pedaling would be easier on knees?
I haven't tried this Breezer so I am just guessing.
Vacuum cleaner - yet Team Bissell rides Pinarello.ReplyDelete
We sell a lot of these bikes for the reasons you cite. Dismaying to see that the full chaincase of past years' models -- a rarity in bikes meant for the US -- has been replaced with a chain guard. Note that the seatpost is a suspension type. I'm not a fan of this detail in part because it makes setting saddle height more difficult. You need to take a guess at how much the post will compress under your weight and add that to the height, which can make it feel too tall while mounting. This could possibly have accounted for your knee comfort and pitching-forward sensation: too low.ReplyDelete
The padded saddle and the boinger seatpost together with the heavy-ish lower pressure tires give the bike a sort of lumpen feel. It's a whole new bike feel-wise with a normal post and a Brooks.
- Daniel MNovember 8, 2011 at 12:50 PM
I bought my Dad a diamond-frame Uptown 8 last spring and just a few weeks ago bought a loop frame (unitube) model for my mom. I would have bought hers at the same time but it literally took 6 months for her to get over the "swayback horse" appearance of the step-through model, which she needs due to her inability to swing her leg over the seat or the top tube of the diamond-frame variant.ReplyDelete
I agree that the bikes are not particularly aesthetically pleasing, that the welds are particularly ugly, and that aluminum is not my first choice for frame material. However, after that, everything is spec'd pretty much perfectly: steel fork, 26" wheels (no toe overlap and room for big tires), v-brakes (powerful and easy to keep adjusted), 8-speed IGH (no derailer hassles for the newbie), dynamo hub w/ wired headlight and taillight (no nighttime worries), rack and fenders (rain and/or cargo not a problem). We looked at alternatives for my mom for months but nothing quite compares at that price range.
I find the handling particularly stable and have not had fit issues when I ride my dad's bike. I would not buy this bike for myself either, but it turned two non-cyclists into happy riders right out of the box with no hassles. From that perspective, I think the bikes are pretty remarkable.
Worth noting: both of the bikes we bought were last year's model, which were cheaper, feature full (plastic) chain cases, and a slightly better (I think) front headlight. It would appear that Breezer is fighting inflation just like the rest of us.
And finally, I am not impressed with the 1.5 inch tires but there is gobs of room to go bigger. I have four 2.0 inch Schwalbe Big Apples waiting to bring down to my folks' place and perform a tire-changing workshop!
"Dismaying to see that the full chaincase of past years' models -- a rarity in bikes meant for the US -- has been replaced with a chain guard. "ReplyDelete
Oh right! I thought something looked different compared to previous models I'd seen online, but could not put my finger on it. Well, that sucks. Is this also why the bike now also costs a bit less than in years past (if I remember the previous MSRPs correctly)?
- AnonymousNovember 8, 2011 at 12:55 PM
V, I really hear what you are saying about the Breezer. I own a Breezer Ignaz X cruiser and it is gorgeous; looks good and fast and it is!!! When Joe embraced transportation cycling many years ago, I was quite interested, but as you say I did not find the designs very compelling and I found this a bit disappointing, because his Mountain bikes were Sweet! Joe is all about details though, so no surprise that the bike is well thought out.ReplyDelete
Also though it may sound counterintuitive the ladies frame may ride quite a bit harsher then the mens, because when they make that low step over, they have to increase the Tube diameter and thickness so much in order to make it stronger. There is no triangulation and this probably ruins the ride!
On a side note; after months of "Thinkin bout it" I finally rode my bike to work today and really enjoyed it! My Commuter was built from the frame up, precisely for the reasons you specified, because most out of the box Commuter bikes that are not too overly expensive, are also rather boring and the type of thing that experianced cyclists would not be happy with. The commuter bikes out there that would appeal to the experienced cyclist were so expensive that I said to myself "heck, If I am going to spend that much I will just build it myself!" So I did!
- Daniel MNovember 8, 2011 at 12:58 PM
I should have mentioned in my previous comment that the suspension posts were an immediate no-go and the shop swapped them out for rigid posts at no cost. I love my parents too much to let them deal with the imprecise seat height adjustment and eventual, inevitable sticking that would ensue.ReplyDelete
Hmmmm.... I felt zero suspension in the seatpost area and my saddle height was completely stable. Does that mean the seatpost was stuck?ReplyDelete
- AnonymousNovember 8, 2011 at 1:20 PM
Regarding your position, the specs and the actual bike often are quite different. I don't recall exactly what the specs were for the Uptown 8 we tested, but the actual bike had a steeper head angle and thus less trail (probably a good thing). I don't recall whether the seat tube angle was as spec'd or not. (I only have our measurements, not the official spec which I disregard anyhow.)ReplyDelete
A lot of production frame makers in Taiwan and China don't seem to care too much about the specs they are given. We've had the same with the Surly Long-Haul Trucker and a few other bikes we tested. Basically, the specs are a wishlist, rather than reflect the actual bikes.
And since few companies actually measure the bikes when they receive the container-load full of boxes, they never find out about the discrepancy.
When I worked with Kogswell on their P/R model, Matthew (the owner) often told me how hard it was to impress on the Taiwanese frame factory that he needed 40, 50 and 60 mm fork offset, and not just something roughly in that area. Even so, he was only moderately successful.
This makes me want to measure my 62cm Surly XC which is supposed to have 72 degree seat/heat tubes.ReplyDelete
Velouria, I really appreciate your reviews of lower and mid-range priced bikes and encourage you to keep them coming. I'm saving for a Bella Ciao Superba and your commentary only reinforces the notion that I'm doing the right thing by opting for a "fancy" bike. How about a review of the Linus Dutchi next? Perhaps you can make me even better about upgrading ;)ReplyDelete
Velouria, The Breezer you rode here is a classic example of a aluminum framed bicycle. It rides hard 'cause ALL of the road vibration gets communicated to the rider. The frame geometry is also so generic that it will fit no one correctly ,etc.ReplyDelete
What this bike does do is help bring back ,or start, people cycling since it's turn key dressed out and easy to ride. Once back those that stick with cycling will learn about cycling enough to ride the more advanced bicycle brands that seem over priced when they start cycling just like you do.
Bicycles really are very subtle machines that defy complete understanding to the newbie and the casual rider.
- AnonymousNovember 8, 2011 at 1:52 PM
The "sitting forward" sensation can occur just because of a saddle. Don't know if that's what happened to you on this test but it could be.ReplyDelete
The variations that cause a rider to have a problem can be ineffably small. I've had a Brooks Pro-equipped bike that required seatpost setback beyond reason and beyond anything I've ever needed before. The solution was a different Brooks Pro. The problematic saddle works fine on other bikes.
Sometimes you just can't figure out what's wrong. When there are so many bikes that are fun it is not necessary to always figure out why some just aren't.
- sausendNovember 8, 2011 at 1:57 PM
Velouria said...ReplyDelete
Also, a smaller bike would typically be faster, not slower than a larger one
Why would that be? Are smaller bikes generally known to be faster than big ones?
Velouria, thanks for your review of this and other bikes. Most bike reviews, such as BQ's, cover only frames sized for medium-height men. Such reviews are of very limited relevance for those of us who ride the smallest (or largest) frame sizes, which are likely to have very different geometry and handling characteristics.ReplyDelete
My household has a 2004 Breezer Uptown 8, purchased at Harris. It has the same chain guard (not chaincase) as the bike you tested. This Breezer was my winter commuter for several years, with Schwalbe Marathon Winter 1.75" tires, and was great for that application -- stable and comfortable. I do agree that it feels somewhat "slow" compared to other bikes I have ridden.
Now my early-teen daughter rides it with Marathon Racers. She used it with panniers and a handlebar bag for our summer tour of the C&O/GAP, over 300 miles of unpaved trail. She loves the internal gear hub.
I agree that the Breezer U-frame is not classically appealing, but it's a nice bike all the same, and ours has held up very well over the years my family has been using it.
- AnonymousNovember 8, 2011 at 3:59 PM
V, One additional thought about your feeling of sitting forward and it could have allot to do with the effective top tube of the bike. I have experienced on many occasions that womens bikes tend to have a shorter effective top tube and are generally designed for the rider to sit a bit more upright. Of course this might also apply to most of your loop frame bikes, but maybe it's more exagerated on some frames then others. I do think that one size bigger frame would have probably felt much better to you!ReplyDelete
Small frames faster then large ones? Hmmmm I don't know? maybe from the perspective that they are lighter, but I think the fastest frame is one that's sized right and that you are comfortable on! A smaller frame may be lighter, but if you are uncomfortable I doubt you could go fast for very long!
- AnonymousNovember 8, 2011 at 4:32 PM
Just got hold of a similar bike (dumpster find) and really like it for the purpose I want it for. Mine is metallic charcoal black w name in gold/copper. Crappy plastic saddle is going to be replaced by a B66. Looking into albatross bars and thinking of building a hub brake front wheel. Got great tyres on it so ride is fine. I really like that there is no need to lift heavy winter boots high up and swing them over the saddle. Really great for short distance, getting on and off the bike often.ReplyDelete
I am very interested to try the Infinity hub, but they did not have that version.ReplyDelete
I've never ridden a Breezer Uptown, but I agree with you on the aesthetics. Kinda reminds me of my first bike, a Jamis Commuter, which was a good starter bike for transportation cycling. Over time, the Jamis developed its own personality, but I would not be interested in buying one now.ReplyDelete
These style bikes are everywhere here in NL and I find them so unattractive. They're very popular with elderly folks and middle aged touring groups who take them out in herds for coffee and apple pie runs. My son's girlfriend has a Gazelle model that is similar and while I find it easy to ride and pick up, it's so visually huge. The giant empty tubes look bulky and fat...and somewhat industrial and sterile. Sooo cookie cutter. :(ReplyDelete
- AnonymousNovember 9, 2011 at 8:07 AM
Wow, so many great responses.ReplyDelete
I sell a lot of bikes to Breezer owners.
I like the Breezer for all the reasons you have stated here and have often recommend it to people looking for a good reasonable bike...but in the end they are really never satisfied :(
Most complain of the harshness of the ride [stiff aluminum] and the harsh wheels [26" 1.5" makes s stiff wheel] and then the looks and bars...
I keep trying to like the Breezer, but I guess I should just give up on it. When the Breezer first came out , it was about the only bike you could get in the USA that was fully equipped, but now there are so many other options.
- MFarringtonNovember 9, 2011 at 9:28 AM
The Breezer looks like a decent bike for what it is but I was kind of taken aback by the price. $900? You could get a really nice, non-aluminum commuter for that. Why not save the money and purchase a halfway-decent English 3 Speed or something similar which I feel would have the same if not better ride quality and usefulness? I mean, it wouldn't have the dynamo lighting but I feel like you could still do new wheels and come in well below the $900 mark. The Breezer (to me) looks very similar to mass-produced bicycles one might find in a big box store for around $300.ReplyDelete
MFarrington - That is pretty much my personal take on it, especially when you factor it that some will be adding a Brooks saddle to the bike and replacing the bars with North Roads. That's over $1K in total right there.ReplyDelete
However, it's worth noting that this bike is an 8-speed, so it isn't fair comparing it to 3-speeds. Yet it's also worth noting that I found it easier (and faster) to ride the single speed Paper bike I arrived on than the 8-speed Breezer on the same terrain. Sometimes the bike is more important than the number of speeds, in my experience.
- AnonymousNovember 9, 2011 at 2:55 PM
That's one ugly bike.ReplyDelete
Just wanted to second a few of the comments here--I also find the aesthetics of this bike really unappealing and ordinary. It just seems to personify everything I find depressing about most new bikes of this type, even the ones that seem to want to harken back to earlier styles (like the loop frame). And I find the $900 pricetag pretty amazing as well. As another vintage bike devotee, I can't imagine spending this kind of money unless it was a truly lovely bicycle! That said, I'd love to see reviews of a few of the lower-priced bikes that I like the looks of, namely Linus and PUBLIC.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousNovember 9, 2011 at 4:16 PM
Too expensive and over-done for a bike that one would ride a few miles each way.ReplyDelete
- Gene in NENovember 9, 2011 at 8:28 PM
It was interesting to read your impressions of the Breezer, because IReplyDelete
recently started using one to commute on. My impressions so far are
more positive than yours. I have the diamond frame version,
as opposed to the step-through model, and as someone pointed
out that may be part of the difference. It's not especially fast, but it doesn't take
me so much longer to get to work (about seven, somewhat hilly
miles from Newton into Boston) than it does on my Surly LHT.
I also find it pleasant to ride, except for the handlebars which
I have had trouble getting comfortable with. I'm very satisfied with the
lights on the bike, though I have a previous year's model and the
front light is a B&M Fly, which I like better that the B&M Lyte which
I have on another bike and which it looks like this year's model comes
with. Also, as someone else pointed out, my bike has a full chain
case - sorry to see that Breezer has dropped that in favor of just
a chain guard this year. I agree that it's not a "looker", but that
doesn't bother me - it looks (and rides) sort of "practical" and so
far that works for me. It kind of reminds me of a Toyota Camry I used
to have - practical, cost-effective, and (so far, at least) reliable
Incidentally, while some of the previous commenters have remarked
on the variety of other possible choices, I didn't find so many possibilities
that had what I wanted, namely: (1) a full chain case, which pretty
much necessitated an internally geared hub, (2) at least seven speeds
(a three speed wouldn't have been practical for my commute) and
(3) a dynamo hub and good lights. Given those requirements, I found
very little choice under $1000.
Gene - Thanks for the feedback. Maybe in the future I will take a ride on the diamond frame version in my size and post an update.ReplyDelete
Wow, raving about a sleek titanium racing bike, and panning the Breezer, a fully outfitted dutch style commuter? You have changed.ReplyDelete
I am hearing a lot of subjective negatives in this review. Of course, loveliness or lovability depends entirely on perspective. I hope others are not discouraged from trying the Breezer to seek their own subjective impressions. EcoVelo has some reviews of both the uptown 8 (full review from a couple of years ago) and infinity (first impressions only so far), and includes what I would consider a more objective description of the ride characteristics: "The bike has a uniquely plush, yet at the same time solid, ride quality, probably due to the combination of high-flotation tires, suspension seat post, over-stuffed saddle, stiff frame, and heavy duty wheels."
Some of the Breezers strike me as pricey at first blush, but being fully equipped (including intelligently integrated generator lights!) makes the price appropriate. Not everyone needs or wants a sexy, expensive exotic that costs $5k. The Breezers are good, solid transportation. Modern sustainability is hard to beat, particularly in a country that has not been producing such bikes for a while, making used models harder for some to find. And many Breezer owners are quite enamored of their looks. Though I myself prefer the previous basic black to the current burnt orange swoops on the infinity model. To each their own.
Garth - Your first paragraph does not accurately describe my reaction to the two bikes. I stated in the Seven review that I did not care for its looks, but got used to them after falling in love with the ride quality. In the Breezer test ride report, I praised its commuting features repeatedly, before describing why I personally did not like the bike. All reviews are subjective. I have reviewed inexpensive bikes positively before. If you want a nice, inexpensive bike, I've just tried the KHS Green again and remembered how much I liked the ride quality. That bike costs $360.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousNovember 10, 2011 at 10:02 AM
I have had a Breezer for years as my commuting bike and like, not love it. The only note is that the dynamo lighting connection broke fairly soon after I bought it and it's a very expensive repair because of the interior wiring, so I had the lights removed and just use blinkies. So much for that feature.ReplyDelete
- MFarringtonNovember 10, 2011 at 10:47 AM
Just to add to the prior comment, I think a lot of people who buy a commuting bike, or a first bike or whatever, want to spend well below $900. And, similarly, I feel like the KHS Green would be just as adequate. Sure, it doesn't have the bells and whistles, but is it really worth several hundred dollars extra just to have the dynamo? As Velouria noted, once the bike is customised, it's going to fall in over the $1k mark. At that price point, you're comparing this bike to a base model Brompton, Linus, Civia, Surly, Pashley, Gazelle, etc. I mean, you could take an aluminum big box store bike, slap some dynamo lighting on it and don't you basically have the same bike as the breezer at hundreds less? But perhaps I'm too negative?ReplyDelete
I just feel the price is way out of range for what you get. If you're going to spend 1k, spend 1k on something that will last. If you want to spend less, there are still a lot of options out there that will be just as nice (in my humble opinion).
^Yup. When novices write to me asking advice about new commuter bikes, their budget tends to be around $500. The $1K Breezer would already seem obscenely expensive to them.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousNovember 10, 2011 at 4:19 PM
Agree with folks who say this isn't a particularly attractive bike. The lines don't flow on it and it looks "cut up". $900 does seem a bit steep.ReplyDelete
As an aside, have you had a chance to try out an Electra Townie? Would be interested in your take on the woman's 21-speed. I have one. Have added a seat pad for comfort -stock seat is a little harsh. Am considering whether I want not so slick pedals on it.
I tried an Electra Townie "back in the day" (maybe April 2009) but have not ridden one since. I recall it being a slow bike with very upright, almost leaned back, recumbent-like seating. I remember liking the KHS Green better for real-world riding.ReplyDelete
I also have a Breezer - last year's Diamond Frame Infinity. I really, really like it. Aesthetically it wasn't my first choice, but it had the majority of what I wanted, including the full chain case, and the Nuvinci Hub. The hub was the big selling point for me. I swapped out the handlebars for North Roads, replaced the saddle with a Brooks B-67, swapped out the pedals with VO touring pedals, and added Wald Baskets front and back.ReplyDelete
I wound up truly loving the bike, and now that I am used to the Nuvinci hub it is hard to imagine going back to regular stepped gears.
While it isn't the prettiest bike in the world (both the Sovereign Roadster and the Civia Loring are far more attractive) I think it looks much better after the changes I made. Here is a link to some photos
- AnonymousMarch 16, 2012 at 9:56 PM
I am coming late to this post. I bought the Breezer u-frame as a man - don't really take kindly to obsessively calling it a ladies bike, but that's OK. The seat needs to be set super high for me because the cranks are very long. I think the cranks are supposed to be about 7 inches if your 5'11 and those cranks are easily 7" (at least on my 2004) despite the large u-frame being designed for women of about 5'9 or so. Could that have caused the knee pain? When the seat works itself down after a few months I found a little knee pain. Anyway, I find I need the seat to be quite high indeed to get full extension on the 7"+ cranks. Step over height is no problem since it is a u-frame. Jumping out on zebra cross walks when mass-hole motorists won't stop for a bike but have to stop for a pedestrian is also no problem. The bike also went out from under me on black ice this winter. Bike went down but I didn't, thanks to the lack of a top bar. With proper engineering and adjustment we can get past the diamond frame folks. The u-frame isn't just for wearing dresses anymore. Thanks! ABReplyDelete
Yes, I agree with "Annonymous" I am male and just bought the u-frame because I am older, bike a lot (it is my main transportation), and need to be able to get on and off easily. Just about all of the male or unisex "step throughs" are cheap, heavy and ugly. And when one adds wrench-only nuts (because most of the cheaper ones make locking a wheel to the frame to a post difficult, 8-speed internal with a good range (no more pre-shifting!), the lights charged via the hub, the wheel lock and a good carrier, than the Breezer is not particularly expensive. I like ugly bikes since they are less-likely to be stolen in the city I live and bike in. So I think one needs to compare apples to apples. The only other similar bike I could find after biking to local bike shops and doing a lot of web surfing was one from "Public", which would have arrived partially built and cost about the same.ReplyDelete
- Sholto DouglasDecember 9, 2012 at 10:31 PM
I have had one of these for 18 months now and my recommendation is to NOT get one. Jack points out some very useful features, like the 'conductive' rear mudguard. However I think the downsides negate the ups:ReplyDelete
1) Chainguard - yes a nice feature for a commuter. However it is a BITCH to take off and put back. Even at the bike shop they complained about it. Small protruding slivers of plastic break after a while, leaving no attachment points. For most of its life it was held together by string. I finally removed it and put on a Hebie Chainglider instead. They should have done this in the factory.
2) Brakes - the ones that come with the bike are hopeless el cheapos. I was forever having to adjust them as one side or the other would migrate off center and rub on the rim. I had to replace them, and have had no trouble since.
3) Light - it comes with a very nice Shimano dynamo on the front wheel. However the rear light is by Basta - I don't know if this is what Shimano provided, or a cheaper replacement by Breeze. It too is hopeless - the metal strip connectors from the power wires to the bulb unit frequently lose contact with that unit. I have had to get a battery powered rear light to supplement the dynamo one - I never know when the latter will die on me.
4) Probably the WORST irritant is the wheel design. Where each spoke attaches to the rim, there is a deep pit. All the punctures I have had in the rear wheel have been on the inside of the tube (facing the rim), not the outside (facing the road). The pits cause the tube to 'hernia' into a blister which presumably stresses and stretches the lining till it develops a hole. Don't bother applying a patch to this hole - it NEVER works. The only fix is to replace the tube, which is laborious with hub gears. I put an extra rim tape in there to shallow out the pits, and this has reduced, but not stopped, the leaks.
5) Low bottom bracket - any tight cornering risks the pedals scraping the ground as you lean. I have to remember to stop pedaling in these situations.
So all in all, it appears to have all the required bits and pieces in the shop, but they fall down when you have to use it.
I just read all these comments.
I notice that almost no one gives an ternaruve recommendation for a bike that is similar but better than the Breezer. Other than a custom built bike, what IS a better bike to buy in this price range? Thanks for help! Everyone here has lots of knowledge and I hope to get some buying advice for a comfortable, high quality commuter. Cheers, Anne
- AnonymousMay 22, 2014 at 8:31 AM
I own the breezer uptown infinity and love it! Despite the 2450grams,the nuvinci360 hub is wonderful, nothing like it. Component quality? Excellent for this price point.ReplyDelete
Don't like aluminum bikes? Don't buy aluminum. Breezer has the cro-moly steel Downtown series for less money. Many of the recommended bikes in this category are just hi-tens steel, cheaper but ok if you don't mind the extra weight. I just don't like paying more money for lower quality materials.
Geometry and knee pain? I get knee pain on every bike until I'm in condition. My girl friend occasionally suffers knee pain on her bikesdirect road bike and her lovely '55 Raleigh Sport. She rides and it goes away.
Full chainguard? Personal preference, I like it. No grease on me, no dirt on chain.
At a November clearance price of $725 setup at my LBS, I'm a very happy camper!
I think the only commuter bike I'd like more would be a custom, hand built, cro-moly, lugged and styled frame, gloss black with copper plating. Belt drive, Rohloff 14 hub, hydraulic disk brakes. Then a custom matching seat and leather panier set. $5 - $8K?
But in the mean time I'm going to enjoy our rides on my Breezer and her English Raleigh and leave the complaining for the couch set.
I'm a little sorry for the tone of my review, and I appreciate constructive criticism, but I didn't find your review helpful.
I need help in changing a rear tire (Uptown 3 from 2011, 3 speed rear hub gears) or must I repair the flat with super seal inside the valve?ReplyDelete
- AnonymousMay 18, 2016 at 11:16 PM
Admit it. You prefer steel bikes. So do I. Everything else is just a passing fancy.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousNovember 21, 2017 at 12:02 AM
Is it possible to purchase a comparable Kreidler from Germany and bring it over here to the states? They make city/commuter bikes just like this and seem to be very popular over there. Can someone here comment on that? Otherwise, I'm very interested in purchasing an Uptown. I've test ridden a 21" at the shop that I work at and enjoyed it very much. The price doesn't seem unreasonable to me given what looks to be a strongly-welded frame. It seems to ride fairly comfortably but then again, I haven't test ridden it very far. I welcome any guidance.ReplyDelete


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Secrets of Small-Space Decorating
Furniture: Less is more
Choose larger furniture pieces for their design interest, but use fewer of them. One large piece of furniture makes a small space feel grand; lots of small pieces create visual clutter.Buy quality furniture. It may cost more up front, but good furniture will last longer.Skip the trends. Look for traditional furnishings that blend with a variety of styles. When you're in the mood for change, switch out inexpensive accessories instead of furniture.Have a plan and purpose. Don't fill your home with impulse buys. Make sure every piece of furniture fits in an overall plan.Pictured: An oval table takes up less space than a rectangular one, and the pedestal style allows more legroom. A mirror and large window add lots of light to this dining area.
Keep patterns to a minimum
Use fabrics with texture rather than pattern on larger upholstered pieces, such as this couch.Add throw pillows to inject dashes of pattern and color without overwhelming the space. But don't overdo it; it's better to have one or two oversize pillows on a bed or sofa than several smaller ones.Pictured: A large sofa and mirror give big impact to this room. Muted colors on the upholstery and one large patterned pillow keep the overall feel simple but dramatic.
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Abundant natural light transforms a room's feel. Create the illusion of larger windows by hanging curtains higher than the window frame. Extend drapery rods well beyond the width of the window, so curtain panels don't cover any glass. Lightly dress windows with sheers or tailored panels that avoid a heavy, confining effect.White, neutral or pale wall colors reflect light, visually "pushing back" walls. A flat paint recedes more than gloss.Light-colored fabrics unify furniture, which prevents your rooms from feeling jumbled and crowded.Pictured: Light colors allow the bedroom furniture to blend into the subtle background. Curtains hang well above the French doors to add height and maximize light.
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Art tricks
Don't center your artwork as expected. Pictures hung off-center make the eye focus on something other than the size of the space.Pictured: A stack of two prints leads your eye up to the vertical volume of the room.
Kitchen helpers
Try a mirrored backsplash to get the appearance of more space.Limit countertop items to those you use every day. Store once-in-a-while appliances in the pantry or a drawer. Consider a pegboard or rack to keep utensils within reach but off the counter.Contain clutter. Don't let your kitchen counter become a drop zone for everything that comes into your house.Consider a re-do. Remodeling an older kitchen won't be cheap, but you'll benefit from new cabinet and appliance styles that make great use of every inch of space.Pictured: Tall cabinets lend height to the small kitchen. The combination of light wood and reflective stainless steel also make the room seem larger.What are your favorite ideas for small-space decorating? Share your tips in the "Comments" section below!


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Today's News: Our Take - The Carrie Diaries: When Will Carrie Lose Her Virginity?
Since The Carrie Diaries is a prequel to Sex and the City, it seems only natural to wonder when the show's titular character will actually, you know, have sex. Monday's episode of The CW drama may bring Miss Bradshaw (AnnaSophia Robb) one step closer when she reconnects with an older childhood friend who's living the high society life in Manhattan.
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Carrie reunites with George (Richard Kohnke), the son of her boss Harlan (Scott Cohen), at her internship, and he quickly takes an interest in her, but she doesn't necessarily reciprocate until she realizes her former flame Sebastian (Austin Butler) may also be moving on. Since George will be sticking around for a while, Carrie will find herself in a love triangle of sorts, which echoes the one older Carrie had with Mr. Big and Aiden. "I had not thought of it as that," executive producer Amy. B Harris insists. "Even though he comes from this intense world, [George] is definitely a more relaxed energy than Sebastian and I like that about him. To me, it was fun to bring in a part of Manhattan we hadn't seen."
Because George is older, he's more experienced, and therefore the question of Carrie's virginity will soon come up. Whether or not she gives it up to him though remains to be seen. "What I love about Carrie is she actually values her virginity and thinks a lot about what that will be, and who she wants to give it to," Harris says. "I think George being older and from a more sophisticated world has a different attitude about it. Some people think virginity is something to get out of the way and some people think it's a treasured milestone mark. I like putting Carrie up against people who have different points of view than her."
Ratings woes won't rush Carrie Diaries story lines, says Amy B. Harris
Of course, with The CW series taking liberties from both The Carrie Diaries novels and Sex and the City, this Carrie Bradshaw could lose her virginity a number of ways. In the sequel novel, Summer and the City, Carrie waits until her senior year and gives it up to Capote Duncan - you should recognize that name since Charlotte went on a date with him in the SATC pilot, though it's unclear whether they're the same person. In the HBO series, however, Carrie lost her virginity in 11th grade to Seth Bateman on a ping pong table in his rec room. To be clear, Diaries' Carrie is currently in 11th grade, so unless the writers decide upon another drastic change, it shouldn't be long before she gives away her V-card.
Though Harris says the writers have discussed what Carrie losing her virginity will look like, they have not yet reached that point, so it's unclear how similar it will be to those previous iterations. "I really want to chase down what I think is personally authentic to Carrie," she says. "She's thinking a lot about how she wants it to happen, but we haven't gotten to the place where it's happened. I like to think she's a romantic and wants something special. Whether or not that happens, it'll be a learning experience either way."
How do you think Carrie should lose her virginity? Hit the comments!
The Carrie Diaries airs Mondays at 8/7c on The CW.
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Forgive me if I have put my own spin on your words and not fully understood.
This holding together simultaneously a sense of the absolute and wholeness, and our struggle with the day to day difficulties of life in the world, is a position I fail to achieve over and over again.
The test of my ability to hold to this practice was my daughter's critical illness 5 months ago (she is still ill). Within myself I totally lost it - there were times when I entered a dark space that no amount of belief or practice of Zazen could touch or help with.
I'm not sure that I would identify the above level of distress with the wiggling and scheming you mention ( though I understand what you mean - we do fall into that too) - it's just that in those moments of intense fear and concern for my daughter's well being - pure love seemed inevitably bound with pure agony. To be aiming for unity and wholeness in those moments of total fragmentation feels like a sort of 'wiggling' to me - reaching the wholeness - a sense of peace - possibly involves walking through fire with no protection.
In another thread (Attention is Attention) Jundo wrote of a 'healthy schizophrenia' - and also expressed a concern (exasperation ?) that people just don't get it.
It isn't really that I don't get it - getting 'it' mentally isn't the problem - living it is the problem.
I feel I'm at some kind of crossroads here because the sticking point for me (and has been all along) is that there's a voice inside my head that constantly questions whether (for me - this is NOT a judgement of any one else's practice) I can ever feel truly authentic living this 'healthy schizophrenia' in moments of total existential pain/doubt.
I think these thoughts have been expressed here by others before - and those individuals inevitably leave because they do not feel they belong. I wrote on the other thread that I felt that a process was taking place and I needed to be patient. I hope this is the case because Tree Leaf is important to me and I've gained a great deal from being here - but I don't want to turn into one of those people who are always arguing the toss and won't accept the basic premiss.
I need to take some time out from the message board to sit with this.
Thank you for your practice Daizan and every one else at Tree Leaf.


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'Chainsaw 3-D' carves out No. 1 debut with $23M
LOS ANGELES (AP) — It took Leatherface and his chainsaw to chase tiny hobbit Bilbo Baggins out of the top spot at the box office.
Lionsgate's horror sequel "Texas Chainsaw 3-D" debuted at No. 1 with $23 million, according to studio estimates Sunday. The movie picks up where 1974's "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre" left off, with masked killer Leatherface on the loose again.
Quentin Tarantino's revenge saga "Django Unchained" held on at No. 2 for a second-straight weekend with $20.1 million. The Weinstein Co. release raised its domestic total to $106.4 million.
After three weekends at No. 1, part one of Peter Jackson's "The Hobbit" trilogy slipped to third with $17.5 million. That lifts the domestic haul to $263.8 million for "The Hobbit," the Warner Bros. blockbuster that also has topped $500 million overseas to raise its worldwide total to about $800 million.
Also passing the $100 million mark over the weekend was Universal's musical "Les Miserables," which finished at No. 4 with $16.1 million, pushing its domestic total to $103.6 million.
Like other horror franchises, "Texas Chainsaw Massacre" has had several other remakes or sequels, but the idea always seems ripe for a new wave of fright-flick fans. Nearly two-thirds of the audience was under 25, too young — or not even born — when earlier "Texas Chainsaw Massacre" movies came out.
"It's one of those that survives each generation. It's something that continues to come back and entertain its audience," said Richie Fay, head of distribution for Lionsgate.
"Texas Chainsaw" drew a hefty 84 percent of its business from 3-D screenings. Many movies now draw 50 percent or less of their revenue from 3-D screenings, but horror fans tend to prefer paying extra to see blood and guts fly with an added dimension.
In narrower release, Matt Damon's natural-gas fracking drama "Promised Land" had a slow start in its nationwide debut, coming in at No. 10 with $4.3 million after opening in limited release a week earlier.
Released by Focus Features, "Promised Land" stars Damon as a salesman pitching rural residents on fracking technology to drill for natural gas. The film widened to 1,676 theaters, averaging a slim $2,573 a cinema, compared with $8,666 in 2,654 theaters for "Texas Chainsaw."
Hollywood began the year where it left in 2012, when business surged during the holidays to carry the industry to a record $10.8 billion at the domestic box office.
Overall business this weekend came in at $149 million, up 7 percent from the same period last year, when "The Devil Inside" led with $33.7 million, according to box-office tracker Hollywood.com. But with strong business on New Year's Day last week, Hollywood already has raked in $254.2 million, 33 percent ahead of last year.
Box-office results ebb and flow quickly, so that lead could vanish almost overnight. But with a steady lineup of potential hits right through December, studios have a chance at another revenue record this year.
"The month that we had at the end of last year that led us to a record year continued right through New Year's and on now to the first official weekend of 2013," said Hollywood.com analyst Paul Dergarabedian. "We're looking for an even stronger year this year. That's in the realm of possibility. But we have 51 weekends to go."
Estimated ticket sales for Friday through Sunday at U.S. and Canadian theaters, according to Hollywood.com. Where available, latest international numbers are also included. Final domestic figures will be released Monday.
1. "Texas Chainsaw 3-D," $23 million.
2. "Django Unchained," $20.1 million.
3. "The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey," $17.5 million.
4. "Les Miserables," $16.1 million ($14.5 million international).
5. "Parental Guidance," $10.1 million.
6. "Jack Reacher," $9.3 million ($22.3 million international).
7. "This Is 40," $8.6 million.
8. "Lincoln," $5.3 million.
9. "The Guilt Trip," $4.5 million.
10. "Promised Land," $4.3 million.
Universal and Focus are owned by NBC Universal, a unit of Comcast Corp.; Sony, Columbia, Sony Screen Gems and Sony Pictures Classics are units of Sony Corp.; Paramount is owned by Viacom Inc.; Disney, Pixar and Marvel are owned by The Walt Disney Co.; Miramax is owned by Filmyard Holdings LLC; 20th Century Fox and Fox Searchlight are owned by News Corp.; Warner Bros. and New Line are units of Time Warner Inc.; MGM is owned by a group of former creditors including Highland Capital, Anchorage Advisors and Carl Icahn; Lionsgate is owned by Lions Gate Entertainment Corp.; IFC is owned by AMC Networks Inc.; Rogue is owned by Relativity Media LLC.


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Similar to the Object type in Java, the <hask>Dynamic</hask> type in
Similar to the Object type in Java, the <hask>Dynamic</hask> type in Haskell can be used to wrap any type in the Typeable class, creating a
Haskell can be used to wrap any type in the Typeable class, creating a
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Techniques for implementing heterogenous lists in Haskell.
The problem
Does some kind of collection of objects with different types in Haskell exist? Obviously, tuples are an example, but they have a fixed length. To compare tuples vs lists:
|Fixed length (per tuple type)
|Variable length
|Always finite
|May be infinite
However, the need is for heterogeneous and non-fixed length. When one is used to Java, with its loose typing of collections,not having this immediately and easily available seems strange. As an example, the need is for something like LinkedList<Object> from Java.
Algebraic datatypes
If the number of types to cover is fixed, then the problem can be solved by a list of data types such as
data T
= ConsInt Int
| ConsString String
| ConsChar Char
which can be used like this:
[ConsInt 42, ConsChar 'a', ConsString "foo"]
data Object = IntObject Int | StringObject String
objectString :: Object -> String
objectString (IntObject v) = show v
objectString (StringObject v) = v
main = mapM_ (putStrLn . objectString) [(IntObject 7), (StringObject "eight")]
This is a very basic solution, and often preferable. Limitations: You have to type-switch all the time if you want to do anything with the objects in the List, and the collections are clumsy to extend by new types.
A Universal type
Similar to the Object type in Java, the
Dynamic type in Haskell can be used to wrap any type in the Typeable class, creating a
suitable wrapper:
import Data.Dynamic
import Data.Maybe
-- A list of dynamic
hlist :: [Dynamic]
hlist = [ toDyn "string"
, toDyn (7 :: Int)
, toDyn (pi :: Double)
, toDyn 'x'
, toDyn ((), Just "foo")
dyn :: Dynamic
dyn = hlist !! 1
-- unwrap the dynamic value, checking the type at runtime
v :: Int
v = case fromDynamic dyn of
Nothing -> error "Type mismatch"
Just x -> x
Existential types
Depending on needs and comfort level with fancier types, the existential approach to ADTs might solve the problem. The types aren't that scary.
This is example akin to upcasting in Java to an interface that lets you print things. That way you know how to print every object (or do whatever else it is you need to do) in the list. Beware: there is no safe downcasting (that's what Typeable would be for); that would likely be more than you need.
Essentially existential values pack up a value with operations on that value, and hide the actual value's types. Thus objects of differing types can be used, as long as they all provide a common interface.
The most convenient way to pack a value with its methods is to use a typeclass dictionary. The typeclass declaration defines the api to be wrapped with each value. You can also pack up your own interface as an explicit field in the data type, if you want to avoid type classes.
{-# LANGUAGE ExistentialQuantification #-}
-- An existential type encapsulating types that can be Shown
-- The interface to the type is held in the show method dictionary
-- Create your own typeclass for packing up other interfaces
data Showable = forall a . Show a => MkShowable a
-- And a nice existential builder
pack :: Show a => a -> Showable
pack = MkShowable
-- A heteoregenous list of Showable values
hlist :: [Showable]
hlist = [ pack 3
, pack 'x'
, pack pi
, pack "string"
, pack (Just ()) ]
-- The only thing we can do to Showable values is show them
main :: IO ()
main = print $ map f hlist
f (MkShowable a) = show a
*Main> main
["3","'x'","3.141592653589793","\"string\"","Just ()"]
One can of course make the type
Showable an instance of the type class
Show itself
-- Make Showable itself an instance of Show
instance Show Showable
showsPrec p (MkShowable a) = showsPrec p a
-- The only thing we can do to Showable values is show them
main :: IO ()
main = print hlist
*Main> main
[3,'x',3.14159265358979,"string",Just ()]
Note how we didn't need to unwrap and show the values explicitly ourselves.
There's an alternative way of defining an existential datatype, using GADT syntax. Instead of writing
data Showable = forall a . Show a => MkShowable a
one writes
data Showable
MkShowable :: Show a => a -> Showable
i.e. giving an explicit type signature for the
MkShowable data constructor.
(Using explicit
forall a. before the
Show a => part is allowed, but not required, just as for ordinary type signatures.)
HLists, OOHaskell, type-level programming
This is the cleanest solution, but very advanced and a little restrictive. Read these two articles:
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After two years of meetings, countless hours of stakeholder discussions, painstaking creation of a bill and then an arduous slog through the legislative process, the overhauled Public School Finance Act now heads into the home stretch — a sprint toward the November ballot.
There, voters statewide will either embrace an estimated $1.1 billion tax increase necessary to trigger the revamped formula for distributing education funds or hand a crushing defeat to its architects.
Meanwhile, the bipartisan coalition that laid the groundwork for what became Senate Bill 213 — and cleared legislative hurdles last week — must now settle on a taxing mechanism they can sell to voters.
The task has revealed ideological fault lines.
Among the 16 proposed ballot initiatives submitted to the Secretary of State's office by the coalition are variations that include a higher flat income tax, a two- or five-tiered setup based on taxpayer income and options that tweak various other state laws.
"We've got to define one that builds the strongest coalition," said state Sen. Mike Johnston, D-Denver, who spearheaded the legislative effort. "There's a sense from people that everyone should have some skin in the game, and almost all the tax measures offer that."
Members of the group that worked on the foundation for the school finance revision will regroup to hash out differences on the ballot question before they begin mustering support — they need to collect 86,105 valid signatures by an Aug. 5 deadline.
"Now we're going to be meeting and talking with all of our partners in this and come to what's always a painful consensus around what we think we can market to the people of Colorado," said Gail Klapper, a director at the Colorado Forum, which is taking a lead role in the initiative process.
"We all understand that if we're going to be a successful economic generator, we have to have a strong school system," she added. "That's something that not only both parties support, but all our citizens support."
Some groups already are staking out territory in the initiative discussion.
Colorado Concern, a reform-minded collection of CEOs who advocate for business, has backed measures like Johnston's educator accountability bill and the READ Act that promotes K-3 literacy. And they see many components of the new school finance formula as a step in the right direction.
But the organization hasn't taken a position on whether it will support a tax increase initiative. However, if the ballot question calls for any kind of a graduated tax schedule, president and CEO Tamra Ward said Colorado Concern won't support it.
She says that economic development experts tell her that when it comes to recruiting companies to Colorado, one of the key elements in the state's "tool box" is the flat state income tax.
"You'll have some folks say yes (to a tax increase) and some say that any increase is problematic in this economy," she said. "But if you're talking about a graduated tax, I know where our folks line up."
The Denver Metro Chamber of Commerce hasn't yet taken a position on a particular form of tax increase, but spokeswoman Kate Horle said that, historically, the group also has favored a flat tax.
"If we have a challenge we need to solve with a tax issue, then we should come together as a community to solve it," she said. "It has been our philosophy for a long time that we really do believe a flat tax means that everybody participates and everybody has a stake in community solutions."
Johnston speculated that the issue most likely will come down to either a higher flat tax rate — from the current 4.63 percent to 5.35 percent — or the two-step proposal.
"Between those," he said, "I think that the two-step is a slightly stronger version, but it requires negotiation and compromise."
Gov. John Hickenlooper, who is expected to sign the bill, was noncommittal on the question of the tax initiative. According to a spokesman, the governor is "working on the best path forward."
Despite the fact that SB 213 didn't garner a single Republican vote to advance it, proponents like Chris Watney of the Colorado Children's Campaign, a leader in the consortium known as the Colorado School Finance Partnership, take heart that many elements of the new formula had clear bipartisan support.
"When you're talking about differences these measures make for students across the state," she said, "a lot of them were supported by a pretty conservative group of policymakers."
Johnston noted that even though he took pains to separate the policy issues in SB 213 from the tax initiative that would trigger it, political realities in the legislature made that a tall order.
"Under the Capitol, debate takes on a different tenor, with partisan challenges on new revenue, even if it's good policy," he said. "I think this coalition will get far broader, more quickly, as we leave the Capitol."
Once supporters whittle down the array of ballot titles to a single question, their task will shift to crafting a message with resonance for diverse taxpayers across the state.
For Watney, the new law's strength is in its complexity, but the challenge will come in explaining how all the different pieces work together to improve education.
"I'll be spending a good chunk of the summer and fall visiting with people across the state about why this is the most important education initiative in 20 years," Watney said.
So will Johnston, who notes that the complicated formula can be distilled to essential education elements — adequate and equitable funding, fairness and accountability — that voters will understand and support.
"At its heart, it's about translating complex formulas into simple outcomes for kids," he said. "The question is, can we communicate to voters why it's worth the investment, even in hard economic times."
The last statewide effort to raise tax revenue for education, Sen. Rollie Heath's Proposition 103 in 2011, failed by a large margin. That measure sought to increase the flat income tax rate to 5 percent and slightly increase state sales tax for five years to fund education.
But Klapper maintains that this year's initiative effort benefits from being coupled with recent education reforms like teacher accountability and early literacy programs.
"Prop 103 didn't have the tie to a very robust school improvement plan, maybe the best in this country," she said. "I see those two as very different."
Johnston figures that the proponents of the school finance reform legislation are in a "great spot."
"The coalition is far stronger than when the legislative process started," he said. "There will be areas of disagreement about the ballot title, but I think there's now a growing sense of urgency, that people believe that there is a chance to make this happen and want to come together to make sure it does."
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Dr. Elaine Heffner: The new/old way
The more things change the more they are the same. Or are they? There are many references to the Millennials in various aspects of social behavior but how are young couples faring in regard to child care and shared household responsibilities with many mothers in the workplace?
One thing new is the reliance on the internet for information about child development and advice about child rearing. Grandmother is no longer the source of valued guidance — and often geographically removed as well. A generation raised on Google turns to Google and various websites as the voices of authority.
Perhaps the idea that it takes a village has been reenacted in a new way through internet exchanges and the widespread dissemination of new research leading to new prescriptions for child-rearing. The result is a homogeneity of ideas about the "right" way to handle various aspects of development. A second result is confusion and anxiety because of the changing prescriptions for the "right" way growing out of the latest research or "expert" opinion.
Parents are invested in finding the "right" way, more so than in past times. One reason may be because of the large numbers of mothers in the workplace, out of the home and reliant upon fathers and "nannies," babysitters, or daycare for child care. Parents worry about children being deprived in some way by a mother's absence leading to an explosion of various kinds of group experiences for very young children.
There are mixed results for the goal of fathers sharing child-care and household responsibilities. Younger fathers are more amenable to the idea of shared responsibilities but the practice may vary from the goal. It is obvious that fathers are more involved with their children. One sees more fathers in the park, often running while even young children keep up on their scooters. New ways to parent.
Sharing in doing the dishes or washing the floor may be another matter. The ideal has been 50/50 — rarely realized. What sometimes happens is a compromise enabling each partner to do what feels like a fair share. On the other hand, many women report that they still carry the full load of children and household while working full time out of the home.
Some fathers feel excluded in various ways because of mothers' behavior. Women may still have an investment in being primary in child care and some household chores. Fathers have expressed the feeling of having been told by their wives that they were not doing things the right way — meaning mothers' way. Fathers do things differently, which is to the child's benefit.
While women to a great extent have freed themselves from the ordained role of the past, emotionally and culturally they are invested in caring for their children. Motherhood has been politicized to the extent that anything seeming to point to a child's need for a mother's care, particularly in the first years of life is taken — and often is intended — to keep women at home and out of the workplace.
Women who value their work opportunities feel threatened and guilty by attempts based on research to point to a mothers' absence as the cause of various problems in children. But the fact is that children need nurturing care, especially in the first years of life. It is the politicization of the issue that has prevented a serious attempt to mandate on the national level adequate paid maternity leave and quality day care.
That many women no longer devote full time to child care is new. Their feelings about this and the attitude of others is old.
— Elaine Heffner, LCSW, Ed.D., has written for Parents Magazine, Fox.com, Redbook, Disney online and PBS Parents, as well as other publications. She has appeared on PBS, ABC, Fox TV and other networks. And, she blogs at goodenoughmothering.com.


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