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Anderson Cooper digs deeper into Christopher Dorner's "manifesto" and his complaints about the LAPD. The former police officer is on the run from law enforcement; he stands accused of murdering three people and injuring two others.
Chris Dorner indicated in his manifesto that in August 2007, he had reported the use of excessive force on a suspect by Officer Teresa Evans; and that as a result (of crossing the "blue line"), he was accused of lying and was dismissed from the LAPD. Was a lie detector test ever administered on Evans? Shouldn't one be done now, by a separate entity, that is. This, I am sure, would help to clear his name.
My prayers are wth him & his family. He was an honest cop. Everyone knows the LAPD has their own rules. Too bad it had to end this way. In my opinion I think the cabin was intentionally burnt. Sounds like something straight out of a Hollywood movie. If a movie was to be made about Chris Dorner, LLCoolJ should be cast as Chris.
I would like to know why Chris Dorner is fired for filing a false police report. but the police officers who opened fire on two different trucks that resembled the truck that Chris Dorner was driving carrying innocent civilians. Not only did they open fire and shot multiple rounds into each truck but they shot those civilians riding in the trucks and the police get off with administrative leave with pay. I understand what Chris Dorner did was wrong, but what I don't understand is why these cops are getting off with just a slap on the wrists after they carelessly shot innocent people just because they were in a similar truck as a suspect they were looking for and it happened twice in different areas so what does that say about the L.A.P.D. they are just allowed to fire their weapons at anyone they want? How are they any different than Chris Dorner ?? Those police that shot and wounded those innocent people should at the least be fired, but they really need jail time, I am more than sure none of us could shoot at anyone we felt like let alone injuring them and then just walk away with no consequences... Where is the justice in what they did ??
i heard former judge Andrew P. Napolitano, on the Geraldo show to day and he said Dorner lied about the incident – it would appear the system likes to call people liars who criticize them. i don't believe he lied and the system seems to create dorner by making the process unfair and destroy lives. so if you are a cop, then you better not report pollice abuse or your career is gone you liars you.
I find it disturbing what they did however. Sure, he was a menace to society and the police force, sure it was time to get him off the street–but when we allow the police to be the judge, jury, and executioner (literally) we have a problem. They should have gone in, taken him down and taken him to prison. I hate having my tax dollors pay for criminals sitting in cozy cells watching HBO and relaxing too, but the police HAVE NO POWER to decide to kill whomever they decide is breaking the law/guilty. No way is this the right thing. I also see this as killing a US Veteran. That's right, like him or not this was a Naval Officer and he'd given a lot to this country. Something that many in the LAPD have not.
Uh – just go out and arrest him? Did you miss that he killed in cold blood 3 completely innocent people – a girl, her boyfriend and a cop sitting in his car. That coupled with his "manifesto" suggested there was no way to have cops go in and rationalize the need for him to surrender and be brought in for due process.
You know, there was no witnesses to him shooting anyone, except by the same LAPD that cause it. Also, the police did not kill him, he knew from the beginning what he was doing, and wasn't going down without a fight. He wasn't killed by fire or the cops, he took his own life rather than get abused any further. If we have a heaven, I know he's there and God knows the truth.
Did you review the information contained in the CDs/DVDs sent to you by Chris Dorner? If so, why hasn't that information been released since he claims it will exonerate him?
We have many US citizens with brain challenges due to disease, accidents, or violence. Interacting with people with
brain issues calls for kindness, compassion and respect. The pictures of Dorner speak of the light in his soul.
What a lot of chaos could have been prevented if Chris Dorner had been treated fairly.
Why the LAPD beating victim's father's testimony was not hearsay:
Picture the reality –
(1) Dorner files complaint.
(2) Beating victim supports Dorner's assertion.
(3) LAPD says we do not believe the victim merely because he is schizophrenic. (The basis for denying the testimony is the fact we cannot be sure he did not make it up.)
(4) Victim's father proffers testimony that his son told him of the beating before he even heard anything about Dorner's complaint. (That eliminates the possibility the victim's testimony was made up. The odds are seriously against an individual having a delusion that perfectly matches a complaint he did not know about).
For this reason, explicitly pursuant to the Federal Rules of Evidence, this is non-hearsay. The reason it is not hearsay is that it does not meet the definition of hearsay. Hearsay is a statement made out of court presented for the truth of the assertion. The father's testimony is NOT presented for the truth of the assertion (that there was a beating – if there was, he did not see it). It is merely presented to show the victim's claim pre-dates his knowledge of Dorner's complaint. For that purpose it is extremely relevant and the person providing the relevant fact is definitely available for cross-examination (another reason that it is not defined as hearsay).
In fact, again explicitly per the FRE, once this testimony is admissible for its stated purpose, the finder-of-fact is also free to use it as evidence in the prima facie case.
There is no law in any state in this nation that could provide any basis for LAPD's "legal" ruling on this "hearsay" issue.
In addition, if the father witnessed the injuries, that is also relevant non-hearsay. I do not know if that is true. It was the job of Dorner's department lawyer to do that. He did not. BTW – to call the work of Dorner's department lawyer merely grossly incompetent would be the understatement of the century. His insurance company would be begging to settle for policy limits if a malpractice claim could be brought before a neutral magistrate. (But that is a big if).
read California Appeals Court decision on Dorner
The Illusion is real and the more real it becomes the more desperate they want it. Dorner is walking around blind without a cane. There is no excuse for this dudes actions. Everyone is racist and sexest and whatever else you want to call it. Learn to find your peace in the beast. Suggestion smoke, drink and get a date. It is what it is! Rome is burning. heres the cool thing we all have a front row seat. Life is good even if cops, politicians or bankers are not . You Know !
I can relate to Christopher Donner. As a black man growing up in NYC I can write a book about how many times I have been pulled over and harassed in NYC, New Jersey turnpike, even profiled at various airports by racist law enforcement officers.. NYPD and LAPD are the worst police force in the country, full of racist and corrupt cops. I believe Donner is telling the truth about the lady cop and he got a raw deal for speaking out against racist white cops in the LAPD. Had Donner been white he would have never been fired but then again a white cop would have never reported the police abuse.
Before Anderson starting talking about smoke coming from the cabin, you could get a live feed on the CNN website showing the cabin burning. I don't know if that footage has been replayed. Once they lifted the roadblock off the mountain (just about the time of the burning cabin), you got to figure Dorner was dead. Cindy Bachman is talking as though he might be alive?
As Dorner is now dead or about to die, and won't gain any benefit, I hope CNN concentrates on the most disturbing aspect of this whole affair, which are the actions of LAPD senior management:
First they fired Dorner. Cops never get fired. The guy involved in the Rodney King beating has been promoted to Captain, with a staff of over 200. Two women were shot-up by cops because they drove the same kind of truck as Dorner; those cops won't get fired. Teresa Evans, Dorner's trainer, looks like, on the balance of probability to have kicked a handcuffed arrestee (pretty convenient to ignore a man's testimony because he may suffer from schizophrenia – this is clear abuse of his rights because he may be ill ), and tortured a handcuffed 70 year old woman. Her crime was spraying cold water on some tenants who weren't paying their rent. This Evan's shows the signs of being a dangerous sadistic psychopath; she doesn't get fired, but rather promoted to Sergeant.
One can go on, but what does appear to emerge from this tragedy is that there is a deeply disturbing criminal culture dominating senior LAPD management; psychopathic sadists get promoted while fundamentally decent guys like Chris Dorner get fired with absolutely no evidence of wrong doing. And let's not confuse what Dorner became after unjustly having his life destroyed, and the upright decent guy he was for most of his life.
Something tells me Dorner is telling the truth. Perhaps Anderson Cooper could meet with him with him at a secret location to discuss surrender with conditions that Dorner is not brutilized by arresting officers. Dorner's accusations against the LAPD apparently have merit from the postings I've read. This situation is very sad. I feel for the families affected as well as Dorner because he crossed a line noone should ever cross when he killed innocent people. I hope he dosen't think he will be set free, or that they will stop looking for him.
What, if any, consequnces do the officers who shot 2 innocent people suffer? Will they be charged with attempted murder as anyone else would be. or will there only be an internal investigation absolving them of blame because of stress?
They will be absolved because a Republican judge will issue a factual decision from the secrecy of his chambers which finds they had a subjectively reasonable belief their lives were in jeopardy. At that point, it's Katy bar the Door. The police can do whatever they want under those alleged conditions. Thank you Mr. Justice Scalia and pals.
I can empathize with Mr. Dorner – I say empathize – That being said. Two wrongs don't make a right. He should not have done what he did. I can understand completely his mental "Snap" . Clearly L.A.P.D. was wrong.(underscore) Now will the current police chief do what he said he would do? that being doing a personal reopening of Mr. Dorner's case. Lets see.
I am soooo proud of the American people who commented today. Everyone knows there is more to this story than the LAPD is willing to admit. That being said, the killing of innocent people is totally unacceptable and horrific. I pray for all concernd, incuding Mr. Dorner who felt he had no other options. The LAPD has a history of corruption and deceit.
May God convict their hearts to tell the truth and shame the devil !
this guy coulda brought attention to his plight/injustice without resorting to murder!! Hold hostages in a bank or something?? He crossed the line by resorting to lethal vigilante violence!!! I firmly believe he was treated unfairly-- all cops have a rule to protect their own even if they break any/all laws!!! They should change the motto from to protect and serve-– to collect and serve ourselves!! The truth is the truth is the truth!!!
Really Chuck, Sometimes when you do come forward you may be the only one there. Everyone is against you especially when you are opening a can of worms. No one wants to be the one who kept the secret. Distrust is always frowned upon especially when your life is dependent upon some one watching your 6. Try it sometime and see how you will feel.
It is very obvious to me this man was pushed over the edge and somebody had to pay as a result. The Rodney King beating should have been an eye opener. Racism in America still exist. I certainly don't agree with his actions, but the injustices must sease.
Cops accuse people all the time without enough evidence to get a conviction or even for the DA to press charges. The cop isn't fired for it. We wouldn't have any cops if they were. It's "better luck next time", really. Accuse a fellow cop and get fired? Even a reprimand is uncalled for. You don't smell a rat? This stinks.
So does this mean if someone is fired at their job if they go on a murder spree they are a hero if the boss was wrong in firing him?
Dear Cardene,
In my opinion, the answer is NO. However, this one is totally different. There are many good cops in LAPD, but LAPD also has a history of corruptions and cover-ups. The Rampart is one clear example (even after the police reform due to the Christopher's findings). Also, In my life, I never see a single case where a person is willing to get killed just to protect his lying story, only cases to protect his/her truth which I deeply believe in this case.
Loved your answer. Cuts through the bull and nails it.
Whereas violence and killing innocent people is never justifiable, Mr Dorner obviously feels very strongly that he can expose wrongdoing and corruption in the LAPD. No one can be driven by such conviction and such peril of his own life, unless his claims of corruption in the LAPD are indeed true. It is wrong of the LAPD not to investigate the alleged accusations, reopen the case led by someone outside of the LAPD, and extend the needed apology to stop any further killings. May God have mercy on Mr Dorner and on those who have wronged him. Perhaps this issue should come before the Governor of California?
And he's sacrificing his life to do so. God help him to live and tell his story, and forgive him, keep him safe from those trying to frame and kill him. If the people don't take the country back... it's gone.
You are quite correct. Thought Donner must be stopped, LAPD or the body overseeing LAPD should launch an investigation into the root causes of the problem and not the effects.
Henk, I couldn't agree with you more. Dorner's story is a clear testament to injustice. If this man was willing to give up his life to let the truth be known...we as a human race should think twice about what is being fed to us through the media. This is not the case of a man that had a history of psychotic tendencies or emotional disturbances. His former friends have even testified to his character as well as his conviction.
memo to anderson cooper: no matter what the outcome into any investigation of dorner's firing & his complaints, the reporter should always – i emphasize the word always – preface the news report with a statement something similar to this one: "in regard to the allegations of chris dorner, no matter where the truth lies there can never be any justification to taking the law into your own hands & no employment dispute could ever be a defense to murder." even if his manifesto is proven to be 100% correct & truthful he will still be hunted down & captured or killed. if he is tried for these crimes he will be convicted & spend the rest of his life in prison. by investigating the allegations anderson cooper may be leaving the impression that chris dorner's action could have been justified & motivated by his possibly illegal dismissal or the coverup by the LAPD. if the report is preceded by a disclaimer that impression will be avoided.
c. lobel, I agree that nothing justifies the taking of another person's life, but it appears that Dorner believes sacrificing his life to shine a spontlight on a greater crime is necessary to bring about justice. Though his methods are utterly wrong, I cannot say they are not effective. I know people who live in LA who says that racism is pervasive with police there. Maybe, this will begin a new chapter towards racial harmony with the police department there.
Why was dorner not reprimanded instead of being fired? Previous cases where lying has been the case with Police officers,they have been retained. Were there other circumstances? Officers recorded on video beating an unarmed person who shows no resistance have been retained. The Press should pursue this question.
It appears the public is fast seeing through the LAPD's BS. Even the father of the person who was attacked by the female office Dorner reported, saw there was a cover-up...his "all for one...one for all" words to Dorner tells the story of what truly happened. The blood of these crimes is on the faces of all those that covered-up the truth...though sadly the blood is also on the hands of Dorner...who has been honest to accept it. I suggest the LAPD "now" be honest and accept responsibility for their role!
I do have a problem with the boards findings. You have a victim who testifies. A police officer who witnessed it. But they state the victim isn't reliable because they are schizophrenic? Do they have any testimony from a psychiatrist. Where did they get that diagnosis and was he in a state of mind that he shouldn't be testifying or should they delayed it until he got his medications. And who decides which officer is telling the truth? If there were no findings where were the findings that this officer was lying about the incident? If a victim and a witness is not good enough, then how is only one person saying they were going to give someone a bad review and that may be why they said that hold up? Sounds like a bunch of crap to me. People treat people like dogs everyday. It is ridiculous. Stop treating people like crap and maybe they would not be shooting at you and your family. Everyone has went through what this guy has gone through and most of us walk away or move on but sooner or later if people get treated this way their will be a Dorner. Is it right? Probably not. But I will just try and be as fair and nice as I can to people. It is a sad day in America when the justice system is so obviously tainted that we have people taking it into their own hands and against the law specifically for that matter.
Jennifer, I couldn't agree with you more. It seems to me that Dorner had a reason to be ticked-off at the very least. We do have to pay for our wrongs, in this life or the next. Its a sad day when such things happen. As my father use to say, "Two wrongs don't make a right!" Maybe, this will start a new chapter in racial harmony in LA and our nation.
This guy has caused pain to people who had nothing to do with his firing, and there's no justification for that whatsoever. Having said that, it's clear his firing was an abomination. The LAPD intimates and harasses more than it protects and serves, and obviously believed Dorner to be a man too pure for their nefarious ways. It's tragic it came to this, but something was bound to happen sometime. One thing's for sure: No cop will take this guy alive.
He said he got fired because he told on people in his department that were beating people senseless while on duty and they fired him for telling. I believe it. LAPD is corrupt as sin. And killing innocent people cops "thought were him?" Cover up if you ask me. Please investigate this as far as it will go. Killing people is never right, but neither is corrupt cops.
In my opinion if cops were honest there wouldnt be a blue line, But instead a drug free white line of honesty to where even if you are a cop your still held responsible for your actions. Oh wait this is america, if you work for the government your not HELD ACCOUNTABLE for your actions! If you are that honest one, well lets just say you get fired!
As US Government Representatives continue their willingness to punish and imprison citizens, remove their God given and Constitutional rights, and refuse to address issues that reduce overall quality of life, I foresee more actions of retaliation by individuals such as Dorner.
The question here is, Why hasn't there been an independent inquiry into the crime. This issue of racist police officers and corupt polititians in LA has been a serious problem.
I believe Mr. Dorner has been labelled a trouble maker by his peers. The lengths he has gone "clear his name" is without questioning wrong, all life is precious and is to be cherished. I think there is more to this than has been reveled, I think the incident kicking the suspect probably really happened, this was the way to silence a squeaky wheel.
I know what Dorner has done is wrong, yet deep down inside of me I have a sneaking feeling what he said is true. Dorner should know better that doing violent acts does not condone violence !! I think he has passed the point of no return and he needs to be found before he commits more violent acts.
I imagine that those cops targeted on his letter must be crapping their pants at this moment, and if what he says is true, I don't really feel sory for them.
Anderson SAVE THE DAY
The man says he will stop when the police apologize.
How about you ask for ie. challenge OR just find any officers from LA willing to say the guy was wronged.
The police SHOULD do this on their own immediately, they should admit grievance to save lives.
They could stop this whole thing NOW if they did that. If they won't, maybe you can, and use your charm to say what you are doing. You can talk directly to him like, "since you say you would stop if they admit your innocence, how about if you see these guys admit you have a point. OR let him see other people go on, like the public saying " we believe you and we will look into racism in the police once and for all but you still have to turn yourself in"
Anyway THANKS fot being honest on this story you are a real mentsch....
He's simply a HERO and now we want to throw him under the bus? He witnesses a female officer beat down a 70 year old women. He has the decency and courage to testify against her actions.His police dept. turns around and crucifies him!!! I understand this man. He"s a passionate man with a sense of right and wrong, he ran out of options. He"s a modern day Willian Wallace we need thousands like him!!!!! God Bless Him


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Five Things I Learned While Working on the "Evening Primrose" DVD
March 21, 2011
1. Avid enthusiasts of the work of the famous lyricist Stephen Sondheim refer to themselves as Sondheimites. They use this term without irony or self-consciousness and if you crack a joke about it (say it out loud, fast, if you're not following me here), they do not find it funny.
That was only my first faux pas as I entered the world of Sondheim, an artist whose work I'm afraid I fail to get after my admittedly limited exposure. Sondheim's lyrics are viewed as extremely complex and sophisticated, but he still works within the tradition of the twentieth-century American musical theater, and that's a tradition that always puts me to sleep.
So let's say that, like me, you dig old TV shows but you don't have any particular affinity for the musical theater. That's okay because, while Sondheim's four songs are the marketing hook for this DVD release (and the only reason it exists), there are a lot of other ways into "Evening Primrose," which was, for the record, an original hour-long musical created in 1966 for the short-lived prime-time anthology ABC Stage 67.
One way in is through John Collier, upon whose short story "Primrose" is based. Collier was a terrifically witty and macabre writer, who has been compared to Roald Dahl (although I think Collier is the bigger talent). It's because of Collier's tone that "Evening Primrose" has sometimes been categorized as a kind of lost Twilight Zone episode. And while "Primrose" only intermittently achieves that flavor, it does more or less duplicate the plot of "The After Hours," the Zone episode in which Anne Francis gets locked in a department store after closing time and discovers that the mannequins are alive. Or perhaps I have that backwards, since Collier's story was first collected in Fancies and Goodnights in 1951, and Rod Serling was known for unconsciously regurgitating ideas from works of fantasy that he'd read while planning The Twilight Zone.
Another way is through James Goldman, who wrote the teleplay (or the book) for "Evening Primrose." Goldman, the lesser-known brother of screenwriter William Goldman, was a witty and facile writer in his own right, best known for the play and film The Lion in Winter, in which Eleanor of Aquitaine says things like, "Of course I have a knife. We all have knives. It's 1183, and we're barbarians!"
Another way in is through Anthony Perkins. Although both Sondheim and Perkins himself were vocally critical of his performance, I find Perkins charming and wistful here, an ideal actor for the material and a far cry from the creepiness of Norman Bates. And a final way in is through the expert staging of Paul Bogart, who was almost certainly the most accomplished American television director to specialize in shooting on videotape.
2. Paul Bogart is the nicest guy in the world. Paul is a barrel-chested man, with a fully white beard, whose visage, in repose, fixes itself into an ominous scowl. It's silly, but his appearance is so imposing that I put off contacting him for some time after I decided that I needed to interview him. But once Paul begins to speak, his welcoming smile and soft voice express his true personality. Most directors develop an imposing demeanor, and a certain ego; after all, on a set, dozens of people await his or her orders. Lamont Johnson, who died late last year, was compact in size and not at all physically imposing, but he had a general's demeanor; when I visited him in Monterey, he never once cracked a smile in ninety minutes, and basically intimidated the hell out of me. Paul, by contrast, is an unfailingly sweet and easygoing person, and also an unnecessarily self-deprecating artist. You'll see, in the interview we did for the DVD, that Paul is sometimes quite critical of his work on "Evening Primrose." Don't take his word for it. Watch the show yourself, and see how skillfully he pulled together all the disparate elements of this odd musical on an incredibly tough schedule.
3. You can't always get what you want. The "Evening Primrose" presented on the DVD is a black-and-white copy of a show originally telecast in color. That's a heartbreaking shame, especially since Jane Klain, Research Manager at the Paley Center For Media, undertook an Ahab-like quest to track down the original color tape in time for the DVD. I really wanted to see her zealous efforts rewarded with success.
Jane has compiled a number of theories as to why the color tape for "Evening Primrose" went missing, and hasn't proven any one of them to her satisfaction. Because the master tapes of many other Stage 67s still exist, and because of certain other anecdotal evidence compiled by Jane, I lean toward the notion that the tape was pilfered years ago by some knowledgeable but unscrupulous Sondheimite. But we'll probably never know for sure.
In fact, during her search, Jane unearthed a new kinescope that far eclipsed the other known elements in image quality. (Remastering the new kine is why the DVD was delayed from an initial release date in April until last fall.) So now "Evening Primrose" looks better than it has any right to, but it's still a (literally) pallid rendering of a show telecast in vivid color back in 1966.
4. But look anyway. "Oh, and I still have some test footage we shot on film with Anthony Perkins," Paul Bogart said in passing as we made plans for my trip to North Carolina to record his interview for the DVD. This was news. On a previous visit to Chapel Hill, I had plundered the attic of Paul's rustic home, which was lined with ¾" videotapes of hundreds of his television shows. But I hadn't encountered any film reels. The "Evening Primrose" canisters, it turned out, were in a closet downstairs.
When Paul handed the film cans over to me, he explained what they were. The footage consists of establishing shots of Anthony Perkins in and around Macy's, and outside the store in Herald Square; and then shots of two extras (different from the pair used in the final version) who feature prominently in the show's twist ending. They're not "deleted scenes," although DVD consumers might tend to pigeonhole them in that category. I'm also not quite it's accurate to call them "test footage," as we labeled it for the DVD, because upon reflection I suspect much of this MOS material was in fact intended to be used in "Evening Primrose."
When Bogart shot the scenes, on September 13, 1966, the idea was probably to use them in the finished production. But sometime prior to the start of taping on September 25, Macy's opted out, and the producers hurriedly arranged a move to Stern's (a now-defunct department store across the street from Bryant Park). All of the Macy's-related footage was now useless. And that's why it ended up in Paul Bogart's closet instead of an editing suite and, eventually, oblivion.
As I carried the film cans to the airport, a thought struck me: could I be holding the only surviving color footage of "Evening Primrose"? Since the show was going to be in color, it wouldn't have made sense for the film to be shot or even developed in black and white. Bogart and his collaborators would have wanted to see how the location and the costumes looked in color. But perhaps the film had faded after forty years in Paul's closet?
Eventually the DVD producer, Jason Viteritti, confirmed that the footage was, in fact, in color. But my part in the production was done as soon as I handed over the film cans, so I didn't get a chance to actually see the footage until the DVD arrived. When I finally did look at the footage, it struck me as a revelation – a reason to have the DVD in and of itself.
As you can imagine, these twenty-odd minutes of location footage represent a priceless Manhattan time capsule: a long look, over multiple takes in a variety of set-ups, of mid-sixties Macy's shoppers and Herald Square pedestrians, all going about their daily business (or, perhaps, trying conspicuously to ignore the camera in their presence). But it's also a unique opportunity to observe both director and actor formulating their approach to the material, and to compare their first stabs at it to the final version.
For instance, many of Bogart's set-ups in Macy's are nearly identical to their counterparts in Stern's (compare the frame grab below to the title card at the top of this post). As I watched take after take of Perkins mingling with authentic department store customers in the opening sequence, I realized how essential Bogart's conception of these scenes was to the success of the whole piece. Bogart emphasizes the realistic world of the store in daytime – his use of the handheld camera in these shots is very cinema verite and, indeed, without Perkins in the mix, one could mistake them for outtakes from Frederick Wiseman's The Store. Once Perkins enters the nighttime world of the store dwellers, Bogart favors a look that complements the artifice of the fantasy world into which Charles has entered. Studio sets replace practical locations and Bogart (influenced, no doubt, by the limitations of shooting on videotape) uses more deliberate camera movements, and more static compositions. Bogart was a director who shunned any kind of showy stylistic flourishes, and this peek at his outtakes offers a valuable chance to study an "invisible" television director's modus operandi in detail.
As for Perkins, there's the wonderful moment where he tries to remain in character as a passerby – unaware of the camera stationed high atop a nearby building – recognizes and approaches him. At least one of the other people in the department store is clearly a professional extra – the young brunette digging through the bin of dress shirts – but I can't make up my mind about the woman in green seated on the park bench next to Perkins. She could be a plant, but I think she's just playing along with the scene, as any good New Yorker would.
5. Sondheim wasn't first. Actually I discovered this information after the "Evening Primrose" DVD was finished, but it's worth recording here nonetheless. It turns out that John Collier's story came close to being adapted for television a decade before the Goldman-Sondheim version. In 1956, David Susskind paid writer David Swift, the creator of Mister Peepers, five thousand dollars to adapt "Evening Primrose" as a live television spectacular. Susskind got as far as changing the title to "Primrose Path" and drafting a list of casting ideas for the two leading roles. Those lists of names include some possibilities that are exciting (Paul Newman, Natalie Wood) and some that are unlikely (Richard Boone, Richard Widmark, Jean Simmons). I have a hunch that the names atop each list were Susskind's favored choices, since they were less well-known than most of the others and more likely to fit the budgetary realities of a live TV production. Who were they? Barry Nelson as Charles and Lois Smith as Ella. As to why did this version of "Primrose" never went beyond the planning stages…? At least for now, that remains a mystery.
2 Responses to "Five Things I Learned While Working on the "Evening Primrose" DVD"
March 22, 2011 at 1:09 pm
Thanks for a superb feature, I remember looking for this when I went through reading and collecting every Collier story I could get my hands on last year (including extremely rare chapter books of his earliest short pieces). It's a pity the colour signal dots don't exist for the show, which would at least have allowed for a recolourisation from the original hidden source codes. But then, who would pay for it!

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Size, look, and feel
At first glance, the Kindle Paperwhite resembles the Kindle Touch, an earlier iteration of the Kindle that has been discontinued from Amazon's store. Amazon introduced the Touch in 2011, and the Paperwhite seems cut from the same cloth. The Paperwhite measures 6.7" x 4.6" x 0.36", and it weighs 7.5 oz (7.8 oz for the Wi-Fi and the 3G models, respectively). In terms of dimensions and weight, it is nearly identical to the Touch. The device comes in plain black, replacing the dark grey of the Touch and other E Ink models.
Amazon removed the poorly designed touch button from the device, and the front of the Kindle remains a sleek surface of black plastic. Three of the edges around the screen are completely smooth, and the bottom edge now features only a port for the USB charger, a battery indicator light, and the power button. The sliding button of earlier Kindle models is now gone. Instead, you now have to click down on it in order to prompt the screen to wake. Even after it wakes, you still have to swipe once to fully turn on the device. We wonder if this decision is a way to prevent the device from draining battery if a user bumps into the button by accident, or if leaving the ads up on the screen longer prompts users to buy more stuff from Amazon.
Picking up the new Kindle Paperwhite is simply a charm. Because Amazon has reduced the dimensions of the device to that of a paperback book, it's easy to pick it up with one or two hands. In fact, using one hand is amazingly easy. I have large hands and was able to cradle the whole unit in my palm without having to stretch my fingers. Users with smaller hands may not have this luxury, but at 4.6 inches across, it will probably work for many.
The plastic on the front of the Kindle Paperwhite is a smooth, matte black, and the back of the device is covered in a rubberized plastic, also black. The back of previous versions of the Kindle were metal, and though we didn't particularly feel it impacted the reading experience, the grip and feel of the Paperwhite lets it rest securely in your hand and acts as a deterrent to the occasional slip.
Hardware and specs
The Kindle Paperwhite is available in two options for connectivity: a Wi-Fi Model ($119) and a 3G model ($179). The device supports two-point multitouch (as compared to 10-point multi-touch on the Kindle Fire). Both models come with 2GB of internal memory.
The Wi-Fi model provides adequate connectivity for most users who simply want to download books, magazines, and newspaper subscriptions. The 3G option continues to be a great choice for users who travel a lot, since they can reach the Amazon store while out and about in more than 100 countries. The Kindle Paperwhite also features the experimental browser feature, which lets users connect to the Web. It's decent for Internet browsing in a pinch, but it's not going to win any awards in usability, due to the device's performance and its virtual keyboard (which we'll cover later on).
The battery was given a performance boost from previous models. Amazon says a single charge can last up to eight weeks, based on usage of 30 minutes per day with wireless off and with the light brightness setting at level 10. The battery held up well in our tests, both with wireless on and off. However, we noticed that the new Paperwhite's built-in light feature really took a toll on battery life.
Unless you are constantly checking subscriptions or spending most of your time shopping instead of reading, using the device with Wi-Fi turned off will make the battery last significantly longer. However, users who enjoy the sync-to-last-page feature across other mobile devices or computers will want to keep the wireless option on at least some of the time.
The longer battery life apparently led Amazon to get rid of the wall-outlet charger that used to be included with the Kindle. The Paperwhite now comes with a single USB cable, which means you can't plug the device into a wall outlet if you're traveling or away from a computer. If you rely on your Kindle while on the road, you're going to have to make sure you have a laptop port or a USB wall adapter handy. This change is a major inconvenience, but Amazon seems to be sending a clear message: we believe our device's battery life is good enough that you can travel often without having to worry about charging it. Whether that turns out to be true or not will depend on what kind of traveling you do, and what devices you carry with you. If you read a lot of books on a Kindle, you may not be able to afford leaving your charger cable behind.


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Performance Contracting: An ESCo Perspective
by Greg Thomas
Greg Thomas is executive director of Syracuse Energy Services Co.
Here's the perspective of an energy services company that provides conservation measures for Niagara Mohawk Power's demand-side management program.
Residential performance contracting presents great opportunities and great risks for both the utility and the energy service company (ESCo). Uncertainty emanates from the utility's lack of knowledge of the ESCo's real cost of implementing a project and the level of savings the project will actually produce. These unknowns become complicated in residential projects, where the buildings treated are small and many, and actual savings are difficult and costly to measure.
For successful contract negotiation and program execution, each party must recognize the risks that the other will incur. This mutual recognition should not wait for the contract negotiation phase, but should start with the utility's request for proposal (RFP). The better defined the bidder's responsibilities are in the RFP and in the proposed contract, the better the quality of the bids received. Bid pricing will be driven by this process of risk assignment. The issues associated with the definition of responsibilities in residential sector bid contracts are significantly different than those in commercial sector bid contracts. Therefore, the residential sector bids should be considered separately from commercial sector bids. The utility can obtain conservation resources cost-effectively if it is willing to address the unique needs and limitations of the residential sector.
What follows are some guidelines utilities should keep in mind for the RFP and subsequent contracts.
Create the right atmosphere. It is important for a utility to be knowledgeable about the techniques that ESCos use to shift risk away from themselves. The utility and contract evaluators will need to protect themselves in the event they see these techniques. But it is equally important for the utility to understand and take responsibility for the requirements in the RFP that may encourage bids from ESCos who play these games.
Specifically, if the utility uses the RFP primarily as a defensive tool, designed to transfer as much risk as possible to the ESCos, the utility will attract those ESCos most willing to gamble and engage in gaming in order to cut costs and mitigate the risks they agreed to assume in order to win the bid. In other words, the bidding process used by the utilities may encourage the bidder to suggest cost reducing proposals that the utility may find objectionable in later phases of the process.
What makes a good project? The utility should recognize that putting adequate staff resources into the development of the RFP, the selection of a capable and responsible contractor, and the subsequent contract negotiation will lead to a better project. The better a utility communicates its needs in the RFP process, the easier the bidder selection and the smoother the contract negotiation will be. Interviewing the contract administrators for the ESCo's previous projects and inspecting some of the sites treated can be a valuable investment of utility staff time.
Standard contracts can grease the skids. The industry needs standard contracts between utilities and ESCos, similar to those available in the construction industry. The use of a highly evolved standard contract form for inclusion in bidding and in the subsequent negotiations would substantially reduce the bid development costs for both utilities and the ESCos.
Such a contract should cover the risks that the utility seeks to avoid (non-performance by the ESCo, failure to deliver measured savings), definition of the payment stream and front loading security requirements, minimum evaluation requirements, life and failure rates of the measures, constraints against cream skimming, custom relations requirements, and general liability (for insurance or bankruptcy). Avoid attempting to subject the ESCo to risks that are outside of its control, such as changes in long-term avoided costs and subsequent prudence reviews.
Good contracts make good friends. Just as a utility must not attempt to impose undo risks, the ESCo must use the contract to protect itself against the utility's ability to interfere, purposely or blindly, with the ESCo's project implementation, especially when the utility chooses to relate to the ESCo at an arm's length rather than as partner in energy conservation. The ESCo must ensure that is has access to:
Front-loading can thwart bidders. Front-loading requires full or partial security held by the ESCo for the value of the payments it has received that are greater than the value of the measured savings delivered to date, not including projections of future savings. If the savings are estimated to last 15 years, front-load security could be required for almost the entire life of the measure. This practice significantly increases the cost of contracts and can be a significant barrier to bidders. It may be more cost effective for the utility to use other methods, such as escrow accounts, to provide long-term incentives.
It is in the bidder's interest to make an evaluation as soon as possible. This will reduce the risk of measures failing and ensure quicker payment. A waiting period of a full year may be appropriate for residential contracts. The bidder must carry an appropriate level of financial risk at the time of the evaluation. Too high a level of financial risk will be a barrier to responsible bidders and will be reflected in the bid price.
Expect to pay more for quality work. Take the time to investigate a bidder's previous contracts so you have a basis for judging quality. Retain the right to say no to a bidder based on an evaluation of the quality of past work.
Selection techniques for baseline pre-retrofit consumption and control groups are best defined in the RFP. Criteria for setting baseline consumption should be easy to program to allow computerized batch processing of multiple sites. It is important to point out that control group selection can be difficult for conservation programs oriented toward high energy users, where a large percentage of the eligible population will be treated.
Evaluation is also tied to the payment stream. The parties should define in the RFP the extent to which they expect the evaluation to affect payment. Here too, be careful to address residential evaluation procedures separately from commercial evaluation procedures. If the utility intends to pay for persistence of measures, it should provide for or specify the long-term evaluation of savings. Be sure to employ expert review when confronted with the unknown.
Comprehensive programs can be more cost-effective when targeted at high users. It is the utility's responsibility, to its customers and regulators, to select and monitor ESCos that provide a truly comprehensive diagnostic approach for high users. The ESCo's risk in producing measured savings can be reduced by allowing it to treat additional units when there is a shortfall in measured savings. This type of contract clause can be mutually beneficial if limited to prevent cream skimming.
Site inspection, according to well defined project specifications, is best accomplished using a third party that both parties mutually agree upon. Limitations on when and where inspections take place are appropriate only to the extent that they protect the ESCo's good- faith relationship with the customer. Inspections can be used to trigger ESCo payment.
Sometimes it's in a utility's interest to help new players, especially local ones. Residential demand-side management projects lend themselves to employing local contractors. These contractors may not have explicit DSM experience but often have considerable experience in the delivery of residential conservation or construction services. These local contractors may not be familiar with or capable of addressing the formal documentation requirements of the RFP process, so additional bid preparation support for these groups may be warranted. Financing support for these groups should also be considered, to the extent that the bidder will be seriously penalized for failure to deliver on a contract.
Pilot projects are a good way to build and test the capabilities of local contractors prior to a major RFP. A local group may not immediately have the capability to get a large project up and running, but their long-term interests in serving their community will be similar to those of the utility, resulting in an excellent working relationship. Non-local ESCos can also be encouraged to utilize local resources through the bid scoring process.
The rules for a truly equitable relationship between utility and ESCo are still being defined, project by project. Making constructive use of lessons learned so far will help ensure that this relationship evolves in a way that benefits the utility, the ESCo, and the community.
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I am experimenting with the new Copy of old posts in our editor. I posted this in its original form in March of 2009. The excerpt was from a taped session in our then Trance circle I ran, in 2007.
One of the guides who came through at the beginning of each session, we gave the name as White Feather, He gave no name, saying names were not important, but agreed to the one we gave him.
I was trawling through my old posts and came across this again.. And as it speaks of taking up our arrows of truth, I thought it may be a good as time as ever to re-share some of those early teaching I received from Spirit..
This may not sit well with all that follow here.. That is fine, for we all have free-will to think and perceive as we wish.. But I know the truth of it.. And share it accordingly..
Much love and below is that transcript from 2007.
Take Up The Arrow
Our Circle Asked White Feather this question..
Trance Circle 7th Jan 2007.
Is there any other advice that you can give us at this moment in time to help ourselves or mankind to gain the most benefit from the circle?
Small steps small steps, you are taking small steps, and we are well pleased with the steps taken so far. Do not run before you can walk.
We have aimed an arrow, and it has fell in the correct place at each of your feet. It is up to you as individuals to take up the arrow and use it wisely….
We cannot determine how you live your lives. For you all have free will.
But we would ask, that as individuals, your intent, your view on life be reviewed and looked at in a different light to what you have perhaps done so in the past.
Think not of just yourselves, but act selflessly.
Think of others and go forward. .. The Human race needs your love..
This little group of openhearted souls, eventually, we say eventually. Do not run, do not run. Will have its result. Will have its proof, Will bring that proof to the world as a whole.. How and when it will happen how is not for you not know.
For if we were to tell you the truth in essence now, you would run in the forests and hide.
So we say take up the arrow, aim it well, you are not just a hunter.. You are gathering all to you, all that is important at this time. Are you not gathering knowledge to your selves?
We are.
Are you not finding doors opening that you thought were closed? .. Stand firm, stand tall, aim straight, pull back your bow and let go. And know that where that arrow falls it is meant to be. You are all meant to be. At that place at that moment in time.
Fear not where it takes, but know deep within your own hearts the truth, feel it embrace it. ….
For the door to our realm are about to open. And with it glad tidings we bring. For the world at this moment needs the truth.
All of you are experiencing what you are thinking is the truth. You perceive all of these things differently, each and every one of you perceive differently. We perceive things from the truths.
Thank you friend for allowing us to put the questions.
The Earth plane at this time ..is altering, as you know. The threads that you weave now as we have stated before will be woven into a larger blanket. ..
This will envelope those who wish to embrace that truth and knowledge..
You will not embrace all my friends. For some will turn and take their eyes away from truths love and light.
Many will wish to follow darker paths…
This is why we in our realm find it a necessity to intervene and we use the word intervene lightly, for we are not allowed to change free will of mankind.
But we wish to help, to show him the error of thought and place him once again upon the paths of righteousness.
This is no mean feat friends. This is serious business.
You have all been chosen you all agreed to be chosen .Now is the time of your own truth where you stand tall and move one step forward into your own light.
Do so without fear friends, be not like our 'vehicle' and shiver.
Thank you White feather. We thank you for allowing our questions to be asked, and for the answers we have received.
The Vehicle he referred to was myself, as I still was not comfortable in Trance at that time.
I have added this entry now, as I feel many of us are now taking up our arrows, and waking up to the truth that is surrounding us. Never more than in this year have my eyes been opened to what is happening around our Globe.. And what I thought was truth, I see has been contrived.
Great hardships Are about to befall many places and people..
It is time for us all to search out the truth of our world, and follow our instincts.


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Dah. Howdy. I am a B AST ARD
Modi has been shaved. He is milking the buffaloes in Senegal and will soon be in nuptial bed. I offer one chicken for every hindu in India.
Why do hindoos rhaype soooo very muuch
One goat for Modi's hand in marriage.
I am Lumumba. I eat from McDonald's dollar menu everyday. I am a ..............B AST ARD
Hi. I am from Pakistan. I eat at KFC everyday. Like all Pakis, I am a born.......B AST ARD
All Paki people are raypists.
I tried that but it didn't work. What next?
Tell me Tell me why do hindoos from India raipe so much? Mental sickness?
I give one goat for Modi to come into my harem in Senegal Sutsi Tribe.
One chicken for each hindoo woman to come join my harem in Africa.
Modi from India is pregnant with a hog.
He remains in Nigerian harem.
Mwah Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!!!!
Why do hindus rhape mules in India?
And cows....
Them hindoo raipists from India are busy changing stained bedsheets and pillow covers at the cheap motels in Louisiana.
I am Manny. I eat chicken. I am a B AST ARD
I eat goat cheese. I am a B AST ARD from Pakistan
B AST ARDS we all are .....in Pakistan and Milwaukee
INDIA:::: Some Alarming Statistics: (Source: UNDP)
::: 1/3rd world's poor is in India. It also has a higher proportion of its population living on less than $ 2 per day than even sub-Saharan Africa.
::: 828 million people or 75.6% of the Indian population is living below $2 a day. 42% of the population is living below the new international poverty line
::: 33% of the global poor are Indians. Sub-Saharan Africa considered the world's poorest region is better than India.
:::41.8% of the rural population in India survive with monthly per capita consumption expenditure of Rs447 ($7)on essential necessities like food, fuel, light and clothing.
Hi Ya @Otis. Thanks for the heads up.
Just took a flight from Madras, India to Burundi. This guy sitting next to me was smelling like rotten onions. I asked him where he was from. He muttered Bangalore, India. I apologized politely to him and told him that I was nauseous due to his BO. That I will call flight attendant to move to another seat. I did so but none were available. Halfway through the flight he opens up a tupperware. It had some kind of fish curry. The smell coupled with his BO did me in. B'fore I could get up I started throwing up all over including into his curry. I was sick. The doctor on the flight helped me move to the toilet. Thank you. I was later told that guy from India kept on eating his curry and licking his fingers in sheer joyful ecstasy. More power to him. I have landed at Birundi Aerodrome and am still sick from the odor.
My name is Shankar and I am ashamed to be a hindoo from India. My mama calls me Shanku the Skunku because of body odor issues. You can call me Beef Shanks. My partner calls me Hank.
My amma sent me a tiffin box . When I opened it there was a peenis floating in the peenis curry. It was her neighbor's who rayped her. She cut it off made a curry of it and sent it to me to devour.
Why do hindoos raipe sooooo much?
People, I clean dirty and stained laundry at cheap motels in Mombasa, Kenya. I am a hindoo from India.
I give one wild pig for Modi's hand in marriage. If accepted I will transport him to Ethiopia to clean hog s hit.
Hi all. I am Abyssina. And I am a B AST ARD
Me too. .. I am a B AST ARD but from Pakistan. I moved
I am really Sammy the B AST ARD.
Baa, Baa, Hindoo boy, will you raipe tonight?
Yes, sir, Yes, sir, three times full
First, my mother and then my sister
And also the little (girl/boy) who lives down the lane.
Baa, Baa, hindoo boy, will you raipe tonight?
Yes, sir, Yes, sir, three times full
Buzz, buzz busy bee, is your honey sweet?
Yes sir, yes sir, sweet enough to eat.
Modi prefers but Chinese shiet.
Buzz, buzz busy bee, is your honey sweet?
Yes sir, yes sir, sweet enough to eat.
But hindoos prefer to eat human meat
Modi loves to eat Moslem shiet.
I offer 1 wild dog for Modi's hand in marriage.
I clean him up shave and put lipstick and ship him to Togoland. He clean my toilet.
Are you Modi's pimp? Do you accept 1 rabid dog for his a zz? Then put him on a boat to Africana.
Eat a dick, you latent asshole. Namastay.
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From a review of Marisa Silver's Alone With You: Stories in the New York Times Book Review on June 6, 2010:
"Miraculously, Silver makes philandering Burton sympathetic even as she compassionately conveys the ambivalence Julia feels, at once insulted and relieved by her husband's infidelity."
From a review of Julie Orringer's The Invisible Bridge in the Oregonian on June 26, 2010:
"No less miraculous, however, are the tools by which Orringer builds these connections: Her writing is glorious, at times awe-inspiring."
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Philadelphia abortion doctor Kermit Gosnell received his third life sentence today, according to the Associated Press. Gosnell was convicted of three counts of first-degree murder in the deaths of three babies who were born alive and then killed at the clinic where Gosnell performed illegal late-term abortions. He received two life sentences yesterday in a deal that allowed him to avoid the death penalty. Gosnell also received another two and a half to five years in jail for the 2009 death of a patient from an anesthesia overdose. Federal drug charges are pending against Gosnell. Alleged prescription drug trafficking is what originally attracted the attention of federal agents and led to the discovery of the abortion clinic's ilegal practices.
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Midwest Living Readers' Fall Photos
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Forest reflections
Title: Fall at the Lake
Submitted by: njn3456
Comment by njn3456: This photo was taken at Upper Kaubashine Lake near Hazelhurst, Wisconsin. I was struck by the amazing reflection of the colorful trees.
- Photo by skbailey2468
Covered bridge
Title: Fall in Lancaster Ohio
Submitted by: skbailey2468
Comment by skbailey2468: It was a crisp late September morning, and we decided to take a hike. The Ally Park was the perfect place. As we gazed across the lake, we could see the fall leaves reflecting their beautiful colors upon the water. The Hutchins Covered Bridge is nestled in the background and looked as good as it did when it was built back in 1904. We could not help but wonder how many horses and carriages had crossed that old bridge in the past 106 years. The bridge was rebuilt in 2000 and is still used today.Related Links
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Butterfly surprise
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- Photo by terrymc4.
Autumn Pastels
Title: Fall Palette
Submitted by: terrymc4
Comment by terrymc4: Fall reflection from a pond located in the Keweenaw Peninsula of Michigan.
- Photo by lori_roell.
Fall Bounty
Title: Pumpkins Everywhere
Submitted by: lori_roell
Comment by lori_roell: Hunter's Moon Festival in Grand Rivers, Kentucky
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Leafy cover up
Title: MN Arboretum
Submitted by: navery3
Comment by navery3: Minnesota arboretum in the fall.
- Submitted by terrymc4.
Sunday in the park
Title: Porcupines In Their Sunday Best
Submitted by: terrymc4
Comment by terrymc4: This is one of those "aahhh" moments from the Lake of the Clouds in the Porcupines in upper Michigan.
- Submitted by TomSnide.
Golden pond
Title: Autumn Leaf
Submitted by: TomSnide
Comment by TomSnide: Autumn leaf at Cuyahoga Valley National Park (Ohio).
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Fall at the arboretum
Title: Fall at the Arboretum
Submitted by: TK2222
Comment by TK2222: Captured a beautiful fall day at a local DuPage County gem, the Morton Arboretum.
- Photo by terrmc4
Scenic marshlands
Title: Morning Marsh
Submitted by: terrymc4
Comment by terrymc4: A wetland marsh area from the Upper Peninsula in Michigan.Related Links
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Seeing scarlet
Title: Michigan Color
Submitted by: williek56
Comment by williek56: Kirk in the Hills, Bloomfield Hills, Michigan.
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Fall fields
Title: Fall Soybeans
Submitted by: chemingson
Comment by chemingson: Just outside Des Moines, Iowa, the fall fields of soybeans go as far as the eye can see.
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Comment by Cheryl Clark Kelly: The Japanese Garden at the Chicago Botanic Garden in Glencoe, Illinois.
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Into the woods
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Comment by Tanya Estelle Dandeneau: Otsego County, Gaylord, Michigan.
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Alive with color
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Comment by hshdebbie1: North Chagrin Reservation, Cleveland MetroParks.
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Mossy finish
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Comment by willsot: Sawbill Trail, northern Minnesota.
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Contrasting colors
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Comment by Jessica Raetz Maurer: Spider Lake, Traverse City, Michigan.
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Fall's glory
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Comment by hshdebbie1: North Chagrin Reservation, Cleveland MetroParks.
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Waterfalls in autumn
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Comment by hc.tooley: Big Clifty Falls on a pretty fall day.
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Fall at the dunes
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Comment by nicolejalovecky: Fall at West Beach in Portage, Indiana.
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Fiery fall
Title: The Glow of Fall
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Comment by Rodney492: The fall colors in Creston, Iowa.
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Pop of red
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Submitted by: joannwill
Comment by joannwill: Bond Falls State Park in Michigan.
- Submitted by peaches0706.
Autumn caboose
Title: Fall Train
Submitted by: peaches0706
Comment by peaches0706: September in Michigan.
- Submitted by terrymc4.
Winter's signal
Title: Fall
Submitted by: terrymc4
Comment by terrymc4: Black Lake, Wisconsin.