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Dec 12, 2012
Wednesday Dec 12, 2012 Marti DuGuay-Carpenter and Don Gagliardo
74 comments:
- fermatprime said...
Rather chewy Wednesday! Thanks Don, Marti and mb!
Tough time with EM'LY and some others but no cheats!
Time to go to bed!
Happy 12/12/12! Do you realize that this is the last such date until 3001. How sad!
- December 12, 2012 at 5:40 AM
Hi everyone. I don't know how but I whipped through this puzzle with ease, yet when I was done and looked it over it sure looked like it should have been tougher. I guess it's better than stewing and fretting over a Wednesday offering. Have a good day.
- December 12, 2012 at 5:46 AM
- Barry G. said...
Morning, all (and Happy 12/12/12)!
Struggled with this one. The fill itself was fine, but the theme answers just killed me. I thought ______TEN TEAM COUNT was going to refer to a specific sport with twelve members. And then I was thinking there were only eight NOTES IN AN OCTAVE (obviously I wasn't including the black keys), so that took awhile. And CENTURY BEGUN ___ was a nonstarter.
And then, of course, I got to the theme reveal and completely lost it as it crossed EMLY. EMLY? Really? I had ETHENE instead of ETHANE because I thought the theme reveal had THE in it. Even when I switched it to ETHANE, I stared at DAY_ONTHANDYEAR and couldn't figure it out without help...
- December 12, 2012 at 5:50 AM
- Lemonade714 said...
How cool, a tribute to the last daymonthyear synchronicity of this century. marti are you going to try to create all seven puzzles one week? all that and four grid spanners. thanks all and mb. great
- December 12, 2012 at 6:05 AM
- Hahtoolah said...
Good Morning, melissa and friends. What a clever puzzle! It wasn't until I finished the puzzle that I remembered today is 12/12/12!
I wanted Suburbs instead of EXBURBS for the commuter communities.
I also wanted the Collector's Objective to be Art instead of SET(s).
Org with Moles was one of my favorite clues. I was headed in the wrong direction, however, because I was thinking of the Moles as used in Chemistry.
I also liked the Fawning Creature = DOE.
I think of Cooling One's Heels to be an impatient sort of waiting, while Biding One's time to be more of a patient wait.
I'll have to brush up on my Dickens. I read, or should have read, David Copperfield in High School, but don't remember much about it other than the title of the book.
QOD: Artists who seek perfection in everything are those who cannot attain it in anything. ~ Gustave Flaubert (December 12, 1821 ~ May 8, 1880)
- December 12, 2012 at 6:13 AM
Don't we do the numbers thing again in 2101???
- December 12, 2012 at 6:18 AM
- thehondohurricane said...
Good morning everyone,
A lot of today's clues were out of my wheelhouse and that made for a difficult solve. In the end, my wags were lucky guesses. I also had a few misdirections which did not help either.
21A Started with RITE before KOOL appeared.
28A Started with (flower) BED, but 12D gave me the U. Started with AGRI for 37D so it hid POTATO which I never think of as a veggie.
10A No clue so I entered YOGI. but 12D got me straightened out. Still, JEDI was a wag because I wasn't sure about EXURBAN or JOON.
Favorite clue was 24D YER OUT. Would have expected from CC.
I never have Gibsons, need my 3 olives so I stick to martinis. Not an onion person.
Have a GREAT Hump day.
- December 12, 2012 at 7:02 AM
- Seldom Seen said...
The UPC barcode uses 12 digits to represent each product. I wonder if Marti and Don worked it into today's puzzle knowing that.
The first scan using UPC's occured in Troy, OH for a pack of gum. My personal store, Stump's, had the machines installed shortly thereafter. It was a testing site for the crossword-friendly NCR.
- December 12, 2012 at 7:06 AM
- fermatprime said...
Can't sleep. Thanks for correcting me Lemon! (Still sad though.)
OK. When are the next two palindromic years?
(Ever get so tired that you can't sleep?)
From yesterday: JD-- Can't talk about Homeland 'til the entire season is over? Fortunately that's this coming Sunday.
Bill G: Got a bang out of the triangular number puzzle!
- December 12, 2012 at 7:10 AM
Stimulating puzzle. Thank you.
"Collector's objective : SET. anyone else watch market warriors?"
- December 12, 2012 at 7:15 AM
- Seldom Seen said...
Ooops, forgot to thank Marti and Don for the puzzle. Were GROSS or DOZEN on the cutting room floor?
Always appreciate baseball in a puzzle. SHOO had me reliving the Reds trade from last night even though his name is Shin-Soo Choo. Still digesting that one.
What? 21a couldn't have been NOOL? ;)
Hey EDDY.
- December 12, 2012 at 7:16 AM
- Abejo said...
Good morning, folks. Thank you, Marti and Don G, for a swell Wednesday puzzle. Thank you, Melissa Bee, for the very good review.
So, a new combo here. Congratulations! Two heads are better than one.
I first spotted 1D. It kind of crunched in my head. "Martini with a onion" Should be "Martini with an onion" Then I entered GIMLET. Fixed that to GIBSON later on.
Had BAND for 21A for a while. Then KOOL popped up after SEEK appeared.
Got BIG TEN TEAM COUNT first for the themes. That was pretty easy.
NOTES IN AN OCTAVE was easy as well once I had a few perps. I always go from B flat up the scale being a bass clef guy. Or B flat and down the scale.
ONE EYED jack took me a minute, but then I remembered. Used to play a lot of cards. Sometimes one-eyed jacks were wild.
Had JURY as a part of 49A. Then YER OUT fixed that to TURY. Had the CI at the end. Then got MCI with AMUSERS. Then I had it CENTURY BEGUN MCI.
DAY MONTH AND YEAR came easily. I already knew that this is the last time in our lives that we will experience the same three numbers for the date. Kind of sad, but that is reality.
My new word for the day was EXURBAN for 11D. After the puzzle I looked it up in my Webster. EXURB is the root word. OK. Now I know.
Off to my day. Visit with my new best friend. My eye doctor.
See you tomorrow.
- December 12, 2012 at 7:33 AM
- desper-otto said...
Good morning, all!
Nice offering from Marti and Don Hard-G. Good expo, Melissa. This one had some nice misdirection. Yoda's trainee wasn't Luke. Those animals in the nativity scene weren't cows. (I was quite old when I learned it wasn't an activity scene. Forty, I think.) And YEA wasn't AYE -- interesting that they're anagrams of each other. EMLY just looked wrong!
Marti, isn't it risky writing a puzzle which can only be published on one certain date? I like this puzzle's ENT clue better than the one the other day.
- December 12, 2012 at 7:35 AM
- HeartRx said...
Good morning all, and thanks melissa for the fun write-up! I wanted to do a 12-12-12 theme, and asked Don to brainstorm. He is so creative, and a joy to work with! So I'm glad we were able to put together this one in time. We sent our last revision at the end of October, and just squeaked under the deadline.
We had many entries that were on the cutting room floor, because we wanted only three entries that could be clued ironically as "12." How many teams in the big TEN? How many notes in an OCTave? And What century is 1100 AD ?
Don did most of the fill, and we both clued the answers, so it was a genuine team effort on this one. Thanks Don!
- December 12, 2012 at 7:44 AM
- HeartRx said...
Desper-otto @ 7:35, we submitted the idea to Rich before we ever designed the grid. He liked it, so that's when we got to work. Rich doesn't usually accept theme queries for weekday puzzles, but this wasn't a typical weekday!
- December 12, 2012 at 7:51 AM
- Spitzboov said...
Good morning everyone. Nice intro, MB.
Before forgetting any further, I want to bid welcome to Ironriteguy.
Nice puzzle today in recognition of 121212. I got 62a early on and then worked my way back to the top. DENEUVE was an early WAG. Eight vertical sevens in doublets plus two more. Favorite fill was YER OUT. Looked up JOON in my puzzle dictionary.
Have a great day.
- December 12, 2012 at 8:05 AM
- Mari said...
Great puzzle today, really had me scratching my head. Hands up for GIMLET.
I didn't know DENEUVE or FOYT, but got ALOU and OLAF with no trouble.
The only thing I collect are books, and I only get a whole SET if the author and series are superb. DH is more of a collector/pack rat than I am.
I guess I'm an EXURBANite and never knew it.
Enjoy your 12.12.12! Now if we can just make it past 12.21.12 (just kidding).
- December 12, 2012 at 8:25 AM
- Yellowrocks said...
I loved the theme for this puzzle. I noted before I started the puzzle that today was 12/12/12, but didn't connect the 12s in the clues to that until I got the reveal, partly from perps. Duh! Very clever of you, Dynamic Duo.
I thought right away the Dickens' girl was EMILY, but the spelling just seemed wrong until I got the reveal.
I didn't know JOON, a very odd spelling. I had to go through the ABCs to get the O in COUNT.
Very busy day today, preparing for company and a big party, then more company coming for Christmas.
- December 12, 2012 at 8:30 AM
- Tinbeni said...
Marti & Don G. THANK YOU for a FUN, timely puzzle.
Solved from the bottom-UP. (My norm about half the time).
So the theme reveal: DAY-MONTH-AND YEAR was the first to fall.
Then I got yer CENTURY-BEGUN-MCI (very good!!!) And it relates to YEAR.
So for the first two themes I was looking for something that related to DAY and MONTH.
Oh, well, the BIG-TEN-TEAM-COUNT got me off that path.
And this non-musical gnome took a few V-8 head-can-smacks at your NOTES-In-AN-OCTAVE.
(Which I thought was 8 not 12) and became my learning moment of the day. Always a PLUS !!!
I later wondered why you wanted that GOON to continue. LOL
And who is this guy LEO TARD?
(Is it OK to call his family "a bunch of Tards? Seems a bit Non-PC to me).
All-in-All, this was my favorite solve of the year.
A "toast" to all my "blue" friends at Sunset.
Cheers !!!
- December 12, 2012 at 8:31 AM
When did Marti and Don become 'the dynamic duo'? It's been C.C. and Don for as long as I've been here, which is well over a year now. This group is too clever to keep using the same name.
- December 12, 2012 at 8:37 AM
- Dudley said...
Hello Puzzlers -
D'Oh! I completely forgot today was 12/12/12 until it came to figuring out the reveal. Thanks for such a timely puzzle, Marti and Don. I imagine it was tricky to fit in four grid spanners!
Hand up for uncertainty at Em'ly - haven't read Copperfield in years. And how did the Big Ten end up with 12 teams? Didn't know Joon, that was all perps.
Morning MB, thanks for clarifying.
Cheers, All!
- December 12, 2012 at 8:59 AM
- Qli said...
What a great way to incorporate the special date, Marti and Don! John at 8:37, good point. I thought of C.C. when I saw YER OUT. Hang in there, MB, finals week is half over. My last day was yesterday. (woohoo!)
My cousin and I played RISK; you don't want to bump the board in that game.
Horrible feet in TOE shoes. I know a 23 year old who is having her first foot surgery due to the darn things.
I had Olav for OLAF until perps fixed it.
I always wondered how the word LEOTARD came to be. Wonder what the one Jules wore was made of? I'm thinking it was invented in pre-Spandex days.
- December 12, 2012 at 9:00 AM
- LaLaLinda said...
Hi Everyone ~~
So ~ a new duo - now we see why C.C. had a new boyfriend with her last puzzle collaboration! ;-) Loved this puzzle, Marti and Don - so perfect for today.
Sailed through with no problems after having to change 'Gimlet' to Gibson as others have mentioned.
~ On 32D - Gift - I couldn't get off the 'present' track and then TALENT came through - clever!
~ Favorite was 24D - Bad news upon arriving at home' / YER OUT. Again, the misdirection for "home" was fun.
~ On 10D - JOON - I thought of Joon Pahk - our puzzle guy.
~ For 52D - 'Continue...' / GOON - I smiled remembering Matthew Perry's (Chandler Bing on "Friends") new sitcom "GO ON" which I thought was GOON when first hearing about it.
Thanks for an enjoyable write-up, Melissa - loved all the graphics, especially Buckwheat ~ OTAY!
Have a great 12-12-12!
- December 12, 2012 at 9:08 AM
- grams said...
What a puzzle. Thot it was going to be a breeze, even tho I kept thinking insurance for one across.
Had suburb till oxen fixed that. Had to look up joon, never know yoda clues.
Sun shining here. Hope to make headway on Christmas shopping. Happy Hump Day. Thanks for write-up!
- December 12, 2012 at 9:20 AM
- Husker Gary said...
What a great way to celebrate this day of numerical symmetry! Grid spanning answers and theme reveal and clever, crunchy cluing by Marti and Hard G! Wow, how do you do dat?
-Rutgers and Maryland will soon make the Big 10 number 14. Athletic conferences and geography have nothing to do with each other anymore – e.g. Missouri is now in the Southeast Conference.
-The lyric "…where OX and ass are feeding" in What Child Is This elicited some snickers in my youth
-Gimlet preceded GIBSON here because I don't know either one
-You know you're "out there" when the SEEK button takes you all the way around with only one result
-Everyone's fav song with UPTOWN title?
-When you buy a new computer, you forget how much is NOT PRELOADed.
-When I taught in Omaha, the 20 mile drive made me an EXURBANite
-The Little Red Hen heard NOT I until it was time to eat the bread. Are you a Little Red Hen?
-I hope the CIRC figures for my Omaha World Herald stay high enough to keep publishing. Some aren't.
-I have never put A ONE or any other condiment on a good steak. The one time my grandmother made me eat liver, I buried it in A ONE. Yuk!
-Liza Doolittle said "Gawn" instead of "GO ON", much to 'enry's Chagrin.
- December 12, 2012 at 9:21 AM
- Anony Mouse said...
Thank you Marti and Don G. for a very challenging and appropriate puzzle .... now, I'll never forget this date. 12/12/12.
Thank you melissa b for some very nice explanations.
This was well beyond my ken .... I had 'blunt' for 'lacking a point', and then it was downhill, from there on. But I appreciate the cleverness of the puzzle. I kept looking for a 'dozen' and a 'gross', but alas. The theme answers in sports and music, both of which I am happily unaware of, were my undoing. I have a baby grand in my drawing room, which my kids supposedly played, ( or, should have - ), in middle school, but since they've left town, it sits forlorn, as a piece of unnecessary furniture. Maybe, its time to give it away.
Have a happy week, you all, and best wishes.
Hahtoolah, while 'Moles' in chemistry, one gram-at.wt. or molecular wt., ( for solutions, per l. of solvent.) .... brings back fond memories, I would think, the 'M' would have to be capitalized. Or, .... maybe not, .... conventions have changed.
- December 12, 2012 at 9:21 AM
- Montana said...
Marti and Don, I loved doing this puzzle and melissa, I enjoyed your write-up, thoroughly!
It is Wednesday and I was able to solve the puzzle. I got all the theme answers AND the theme! Like others, I did have to change gimlet to GIBSON. I will remember 12/12/12 for awhile.
My favorites were BIG TEN TEAM COUNT AND NOTES IN AN OCTAVE. How do constructors come up with such wonderful, misleading clues? You guys are great!
- December 12, 2012 at 9:23 AM
Great puzzle though the right third took awhile. And, despite knowing today's date, DAYMONTHANDYEAR was the last to drop (I was looking for a phrase). [16:16]
I had birthdays on 6/6/66 and 06/06/06 but can't remember anything special about them. My sister thinks I'm treading on thin (apocalyptic) ice.
- December 12, 2012 at 9:26 AM
- Montana said...
Answers to yesterday's comments:
desper-otto: that road between Glendive & Miles City is now an interstate, so drive time is about an hour.
Chicki: there is a whole lot of rural Montana that has neither cell service nor Interenet availability. (unless you can affort satellite access.)
Jayce: almost everyone has an engine block heater in their vehicle. I need to figure out how to open the hood of my Subaru to get the plug-in out for the winter. I have a garage, but when I go out of town, I will need it. Subaru is still too new to me. The 2-lane highway from Great Falls to Billings you traveled was probably better then than now, however, there has been lots of construction on it the last year, so should be better next summer.
Speed limit in MT is 70 mph, daytime, on 2-lane highways and 75 on Interstate. Had to set a limit or lose federal highway funds. Most people don't drive that slow out in the country, though. Fine used to be $5 for wasting a natural resource so speeding never went on your driving record and insurance companies couldn't use it against you. Unsure now.
Middletown Bomber and hondohurricane: I will be staying with son and family, so my only expense is plane ticket to LGA. I am not a 'hick-from-the-sticks' but I do try to pay attention and not embarrass them in their rich surroundings.
Qli: How true. My son makes more money in two years, than I made in my entire teaching career. He did get a good basic education in Montana.
- December 12, 2012 at 9:35 AM
- CrossEyedDave said...
The Dynamic Who?-Oh!
Very enjoyable puzzle, with lots of things i had circled to complain about. But after reading the write up, & reviewing the clues/answers, I find no nits that will stand up under scrutiny!
Again, just a puzzling puzzle that = learning experience! Thanks!
Perhaps my Angst is that i left the crossing of 9D & 15A blank because nothing in the entire alphabet seemed to fit. Is that a DNF? Should i have WAGed a "U" for a FIW??? Oh Well...
Oh, & while 10A Jedi is a perfectly acceptable answer, technically, a "Trainee" cannot be called a "Jedi."
Copied from a fan site: (SIC)
Jedi start out as a child that gets taken to the jedi acadamy. They are then taken to tranning in classes. They are at this time cald younglings or learners(This is what you would call a trainee Jedi). Then they are taken as a apprentice of a master jedi they are called Padawans. Then the padawans then have to take trials to become a jedi knight. If they show there skill in the force they are to be a jedi master which the High council is made up of.
- December 12, 2012 at 9:38 AM
- HeartRx said...
Husker G. @ 9:21, Don and I had a moment of panic when it was announced that the BIG TEN would be increased from 12 to 14...but we dodged that bullet, and as of this date it remains at ten.
And why does The Big Twelve have only ten members? Sheesh!
CED, younglings and padawans are the first levels of Jedi training, but there are also three levels of training after they earn the title "Jedi": Jedi Knight, Jedi Master, and Jedi Grand Master. So Jedi could be "trainees" as they seek to achieve the highest title.
- December 12, 2012 at 9:57 AM
- Montana said...
Thank you, Husker, for the latest map. I have printed it out and will keep it near my computer as I read the daily posts.
I do like to see where people are from as they write about their local events.
I also really like seeing those north states that border Canada filling up with names!
- December 12, 2012 at 10:00 AM
- CrossEyedDave said...
I stand corrected...
- December 12, 2012 at 10:00 AM
- Husker Gary said...
Marti, That change of going from 12 – 14 does not occur for a while and does NOTHING to detract from yours and Don's wonderful puzzle. It doesn't even qualify as a minor NIT. Experts think that eventually there will be four big boy football conferences with sixteen teams each that are independent of the NCAA and a true national champion will be crowned from a four team playoff after conference play is finished.
BTW, the Big 10's new logo is B1G that incorporates a numeral and a letter since the Big 10 is the Big 10 in name only.
- December 12, 2012 at 10:15 AM
- Lucina said...
Happy day, you all! Wow 12/12/12 and it all fits across the grid. How cool is that? Great job Marti and Don G. AMEN to that!
Melissa, you shine! Thanks for your expo.
I found this a bit crunchy and certainly no sashay. Had to skip around, fill in here and there until the whole picture emerged. Nice!
Started with LUKE instead of JEDI but that soon changed and thought of the beautiful Catherine DENEUVE and I'm sorry but no OXEN appear in any nativity scenes I know. Sheep, camels, even cows, but no OXEN.
EMLY held me up for a while as I'm unfamiliar with it but OREL and EDDY (R.I.P. Eddy) were solid.
Great entertainment today! You are all AMUSERS.
Have a wondrous Wednesday, everyone!
- December 12, 2012 at 10:41 AM
- Zcarguy said...
Rumor has it Mel was drinking Gibson when he got arrested for DUI , how ironic is that ?
- December 12, 2012 at 10:43 AM
Nice, easy, fun Wednesday puzzle. As soon as I saw the "12" clues, I knew this was about 12/12/12. My only hang-up was CENTURY BEGUN MCI. Didnt quite understand the MCI til I came to the blog here. Nice job, Marti & Don!
- December 12, 2012 at 10:49 AM
Seemed about right for a Wednesday. After the first pass, had about half the puzzle filled in. Got the theme answer first, then tried to figure out how the three theme answers fit DAY – MONTH – YEAR. Not! Had to rethink that one! Good job Marti and Don!
Besides YER OUT, another shout-out to C.C. is 41A ALOU. Felipe Alou was the first Dominican to play regularly in the major league baseball, was an All-Star, and a member of the first all-brother outfield along with his brothers Matty and Jesus. He was later named NL Manager of the Year.
And of course another shout-out to C.C., that crossword staple 66A, OREL Hershiser,
Can baseball spring training and opening day be far behind? Yea!
34A DEN is a relatively common crossword answer. But I wonder how common it is nowadays. We had one in the 1960s. Now people have family rooms or great rooms, but I never hear den anymore.
58D EMLY just looked wrong, but the perps said yes, and MB confirmed it. A learning moment.
Good job Melissa! Good luck with finals!
- December 12, 2012 at 11:05 AM
@ SEEN 7:16 a.m.
"Always appreciate baseball in a puzzle. SHOO had me reliving the Reds trade from last night even though his name is Shin-Soo Choo. Still digesting that one."
My first reaction to that trade was: Great! At last a good lead-off hitter with power. Then I heard his contract is up in a year. So this may turn out to be an expensive proposition when the Reds negotiate a contract extension, or he turns out to be a one-year rental and goes the free agent route. Time will tell. Meanwhile, I think this will put the Reds over the top in 2013. I am looking forward to another exciting season of Reds baseball!
Oh, and I am wondering about the pitching rotation - is another trade in the works? Six starting pitchers won't be the plan! Will the Reds say buh bye to Leake? Or someone else? Or return Chapman to the bullpen?
- December 12, 2012 at 11:17 AM
Technically a DNF for me. And on a WED no less! Never got the MCI at the end of CENTURY BEGUN.
Catherine Deneuve... one of the most beautiful women ever to appear on screen!
- December 12, 2012 at 11:28 AM
Much harder than a usual Wednesday puzzle, but once I realized why it ran today of all days, I totally understood and appreciated it. So many thanks, Dynamic Duo II. And you too, Melissa, for the great visuals.
I goofed just about everywhere on this. Had JUNE instead of JOON. Had OKAY instead of OTAY and so of course wondered who the heck ANISKON was? And worst of all, had NELL instead of EMLY even though I finally got around to reading "David Copperfield" just this year! Makes me wonder about those little grey cells of mine.
One tiny, tiny nit: shouldn't that be 'Martini with an onion' rather than 'a onion'? Just asking, because if this is another stupid assumption on my part, I want to know.
Tinbeni, hope you'll include me a an honorary "blue" in your toast.
Have a great 12/12/12, everybody!
- December 12, 2012 at 11:47 AM
Loved this puzzle! Here in Wisconsin, today is officially proclaimed "Aaron Rodgers Day." I chugged along pretty well till I got to the southeast corner and then I came here to learn. Thanks for the lessons! I read the blogs from Monday and Tuesday, too, and was relieved that I wasn't the only one who thought Tuesday was easier than Monday!
Montana, my best friend and my stepdaughter and I traveled through Montana a couple of summers ago. I never understood "Big Sky Country" till I was actually there. Gorgeous!
- December 12, 2012 at 11:49 AM
- John Lampkin said...
Brilliant, you two. Brilliant.
- December 12, 2012 at 11:56 AM
- Lucina said...
Montana and Ironiteguy:
Like 2poodles, my sisters and I traveled to Montana two summers ago and were greatly impressed driving those vast distances between Billings and Great Falls and on to Yellowstone Park. Big Sky indeed!!
- December 12, 2012 at 12:08 PM
- Irish Miss said...
Good afternoon:
Hats off to Marti and Don for a clever and timely salute to 12-12-12 and to Melissa for a fine expo. This was a little crunchier than a typical Wednesday and I needed help in the southeast.
Had at a loss before abashed and fee before set. Liked the clues for yer out and peas.
Does anyone have a Pandora bracelet? I went online
last night to buy a charm for one of my sister's, for her Christmas present. She is crazy about anything purple and all of its various shades. I found a four-leaf clover with fuschia stones. How perfect a gift is that? The rest of my online shopping was Macy's gift cards and favorite- restaurant gift cards. Christmas shopping
Have a great Wednesay.
- December 12, 2012 at 12:22 PM
Hi Y'all, When I saw Marti & Don had paired, I too had a near panic attack. Two tricky team mates. I dub them the Devious Due since nothing in their theme lines are quite what they would seem to be.
Octave means eight. Beginning musicians are taught there are eight. Granted there are 12 KEYS on the piano in an octave, but the black keys were taught to me as half-steps while white keys were whole steps. My mother was a piano teacher. I was her worst student, but this clue/answer threw me.
Despite my fears, I managed to fill every square correctly! YEA! Unbelievable! I had noticed the 12/12/12 when I read the names so that helped.
I got GAMES right away and plugged in GImlet & MAnager so got inane, but the rest were a struggle.
I wanted aid not ACT. 43D since the suit was hearts (yea, Hearti) I thought jack would be ___rED.
"Benny & Joon" was a very unique movie. Very disturbing, I thought.
- December 12, 2012 at 12:58 PM
- HeartRx said...
2poodles @ 11:49, funny you should mention Aaron Rodgers. My original idea for a 12-12-12 theme was a tribute puzzle to him. His name has twelve letters, his Jersey number is 12, His home turf (Lambeau Field) has twelve letters, and the Superbowl when he was elected MVP has twelve letters (Super Bowl XLV). But if you are not familiar with football, it would be a real slog. So I chucked it, asked an expert, and the rest is history.
- December 12, 2012 at 1:02 PM
Tinbeni: Be elitist with your "blue" friends. See if I care. I can't go blue and I can't drink, so wouldn't be able to toast you back anyway. I do enjoy sunsets every evening they show up.
- December 12, 2012 at 1:03 PM
- thehondohurricane said...
Buckeye Bob@ 11:17AM
Indeed you should be concerned about Choo and his contract. It's 99% probable that he will go the free agent route and be looking for the BIG bucks. His agent is Scott Borasl, according to an article on SI.com.
I hope Cincy didn't give up too much in the trade.
- December 12, 2012 at 1:05 PM
Thanks, Melissa B for taking time in such a busy week to help us with this puzzle.
- December 12, 2012 at 1:06 PM
- Jerome said...
Perfectly apt puzzle from a priceless pair! Much enjoyed CENTURYBEGUNMCI because it looks goofier than hell... that's a compliment.
If ballet directors hired taller ballerinas they wouldn't have to stand on their toes.
- December 12, 2012 at 1:17 PM
- Pookie said...
Hi Kids, Tough SE corner for me. DNF.
Had CENTURY BEGiNNER.
Gibson is my FAVE. Toast!
Good puzzle, though...Marti and Don.
Otay, Spanky, gottat run.
- December 12, 2012 at 1:22 PM
- Seldom Seen said...
I welcome all e-mails concerning the Reds or any other baseball topics so as not to hijack the blog.
Choo is a one-year Red. Cleveland included 3.5 mil to help pay his salary and his contract ensures a high draft pick from any team that signs him as a free agent. Billy Hamilton, the record setting base stealer, will most likely be the center fielder in 2014.
My only concern is if Choo can play center half as well as Stubbs did. If so, see you in October!
- December 12, 2012 at 1:34 PM
Heart Rx @ 1:02 pm: I'm VERY impressed! I never worked out all the 12s related to Rodgers! Good job!
- December 12, 2012 at 1:48 PM
- Bill G. said...
That was a pleasant Wednesday puzzle; thanks Marti and Don.
I just starting watching a 1935 version of "David Copperfield" from TCM. But I didn't know Little Em'ly.
Fermatprime, I'm glad you liked the triangular number puzzle. They are interesting, aren't they? They are easy to find in Pascal's triangle. Fibonocci numbers are harder to locate there.
- December 12, 2012 at 1:51 PM
- Tinbeni said...
Misty, in your honor:
Misty Blue (3:27)
- December 12, 2012 at 2:45 PM
My goodness, Tinbeni, what a lovely treat! I can't believe I've never heard "Misty Blue" or Dorothy Moore, and the song is wonderful! I also loved the blue hues of the background. You will certainly get a toast of Merlot from me at sunset!
- December 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM
- creature said...
Marti and Don- So wonderful! This is definitely on my all-time favorite list and it may be THE one- all things considered-12-12-12. Thought of it from time to time all day.
MB super job!
Really enjoying today's comments too. Ending with Misty Blue.
Have a nice evening everyone.
- December 12, 2012 at 4:09 PM
- Bill G. said...
Listening to the car radio, I just heard an advertisement for BMW. The announcer kept pronouncing the name as Bee Em Dubbayu. Do you pronounce the L in W? I don't know if I do in casual conversation but I think I would if I were being paid to read the copy for an advertisement.
I just had blackened fish tacos for lunch. Very tasty.
Macchiato coming up. So is rain apparently. I hope it doesn't disappoint.
- December 12, 2012 at 5:43 PM
- Manac said...
Evening all,
This one was a head scratcher from the get-go. Marti and Don G. Huh?
Big ten = 12? Octave = 12? Century I got but it took a while. After I got the reveal was looking for the damn day and month somewhere. DOH!!!
Nice puzzle you two!
- December 12, 2012 at 6:03 PM
Big 10 now has 14 teams but who's counting
Was puzzle constructed befor Rutgers and Maryland joined?
- December 12, 2012 at 6:04 PM
- Anony Mouse said...
- December 12, 2012 at 7:10 PM
- Anony Mouse said...
Aside from the fact that I need to lose some weight, already ....
- December 12, 2012 at 7:11 PM
- Jayce said...
Hello everybody. Greetings this late evening. Wonderful puzzle, you two. A nice combination of plenty of difficulty and chuckle-inducing humor. Thank you. This was one of those puzzles where the answer "could be anything" until a few perps reveal what it is. A pinot noir toast to you all tonight, and best wishes to you, Melissa Bee, for good grades and, more importantly, good understanding of the subject matter you are studying.
- December 12, 2012 at 7:27 PM
- Manac said...
Just a personal observation,
I drive by a small ski resort everyday
and mother nature has not been kind to it this year. Snow making is a lot
different now than thirty years ago.
A brown barren slope yesterday to the sno-cat grooming it today. Gonna have to start bringing my gear with me cause they offer night skiing.
- December 12, 2012 at 7:39 PM
- Yellowrocks said...
One of the Jeopardy contestants tonight told us she says, "Rabbit, rabbit, rabbit," on the first of the month before arising and then gets out of bed on the wrong side and goes down the stairs backwards. Do you? I learned this rabbit, rabbit habit from the Corner.
One foreign born contestant pronounced "participle" (a part of speech) as (par TIS uh pl.) Is that British?
We have had a whole crew with heavy equipment working eight hours a day all week clearing fallen trees and limbs from our woods and they are not nearly done. It is a relief not to have to see the utter devastation caused by the hurricane, but the woods sadly is much sparser. Can you imagine what our assessment for this will be?
- December 12, 2012 at 7:48 PM
Hi Gang,
I was out of town today, and finally got a chance here at the computer.
When I came up with BIG TEN TEAM COUNT, Marti noticed how ironic it was, and how maybe we could expand on the idea. So Marti deserves credit for that insight. She also deserves a lot of credit for CENTURY BEGUN MCI. We needed a 15, and she nailed it. I had previously come up with FIVE IN BASE THREE, but Rich was concerned that too many solvers would not understand the math. The musical one, NOTES IN AN OCTAVE, was a natural (A NATURAL?) for me, since I am a piano technician. We were lucky to pull this one together.
Thanks for the kind comments, and I am always especially delighted when great constructors like John and Jerome pay tribute. BTW John and Jerome, let's see some more from you!
- December 12, 2012 at 8:46 PM
I forgot to add, Rich came up with DAY MONTH AND YEAR, which is a nice touch to tie it all together. We can't always assume solvers see what seems obvious to us. Rich likes to spell it out, and that is always a good idea.
- December 12, 2012 at 8:49 PM
- downtonabbey said...
Good evening everyone:
Melissa, you performed a great service writing up this puzzle and good luck with exams. Marti and Don thank you for so cleverly constructing a puzzle.
It had me on my TOEs the whole way. I had WINS before ODDS. Also, AYE before YEA and these two errors held me up for a bit.
I had to WAG EMLY because I read that book when I was 13 and didn't remember the name. Liked the baseball clues.
Daughter has a birthday today. We ate lunch at a nice Italian spot near here. Those fish tacos sound great.
Goodnight to EDDY.
- December 12, 2012 at 9:04 PM
- downtonabbey said...
HG, Thanks so much for the new map. Your hard work is appreciated.
- December 12, 2012 at 9:13 PM
- Bill G. said...
Gary, I second Michele's thanks. It's nice to see the area where people live. I'm guessing those folks near Lake Erie have gotten some snow. We are due for some rain this weekend. I always enjoy that. Only very seldom does it rain enough here that I get tired of it.
I took a small chance and ordered an old original Hardy Boys book for my Nook. I just read the first chapter with Jordan. He seemed to like the idea of reading a more adult book than he was used to.
- December 12, 2012 at 9:32 PM
- downtonabbey said...
That's great re the Hardy Boys book. I was thinking my 10 yr old grandson would enjoy those books the other day. I will have to get make a run to book store tomorrow!
Does Jordan like the Magic Tree House books? My grandson really enjoyed it when I read him The Enormous Egg. You might check it out.
- December 12, 2012 at 9:53 PM
- Bill G. said...
Michele, re. the Hardy Boys, I've found out that many of the books were rewritten to 'modernize' them and, in a few cases, to make them more PC. The rewritten books lost a lot in the translation according to what I read. So I purposely picked out one of the books that was the older 'classic' version. It seems to still have that old-fashioned tone to it.
I don't know anything about The Enormous Egg but I'll check it out for sure.
- December 12, 2012 at 10:39 PM
Marti and Don G. Yesterdays 12-12-12 puzzle was awesome. Now, who created the one to appear December 22, the day after the Mayan calendar ends?
Hope you got your money early, just in case. :)
- December 13, 2012 at 9:18 PM


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by Greg Klein | October 2, 2012
Another British Columbia mine proposal has flunked its environmental review for reasons that might not be environmental. But the company, Pacific Booker Minerals TSXV:BKM, vows to continue with its Morrison copper-gold-molybdenum proposal for north-central B.C.
It was back in 1998 that the company began drilling the property, which is directly east of Morrison Lake, home to a genetically distinct type of sockeye salmon. The environmental assessment process began in 2003 and in 2009 the company applied for an environmental assessment certificate. On October 1 Pacific Booker announced that two B.C. government ministries refused to grant the certificate. They based their decision largely on the possible failure of environmental mitigation and opposition from local natives.
"We plan to move forward," company Director Erik Tornquist tells ResourceClips. "We were required by law to do an effects assessment to determine whether there were any significant adverse environmental, social, heritage, economic and health effects, which we did. Our findings were supported by three third-party reviews. The environmental assessment concluded there were no significant adverse effects. The report that went to the minister from the EAO [Environmental Assessment Office] and dealt with the various components, like water, fish, wildlife, etc., determined that there were no significant adverse effects. Well [the government says], 'What about the risk?' But it's not a risk assessment, it's an effects assessment."
Indeed the EAO's August 21 207-page report addressed some 16 concerns, mostly related to the environment but also issues such as heritage, economic effects, social effects, cultural foods and native land title. The conclusions repeatedly stated that, with successful implementation of mitigation measures and conditions, the mine is "not likely to have significant adverse effects."
A September 20 report by EAO Executive Director Derek Sturko reiterated those conclusions. But he recommended the government take a "risk/benefit approach" that considers what might happen if mitigation measures, especially those affecting Morrison Lake, prove unsuccessful. Sturko also emphasized strong native opposition and a "moderate to strong prima facie case for aboriginal title." He recommended the government reject the proposal. Environment Minister Terry Lake and Energy, Mines and Natural Gas Minister Rich Coleman did just that in a September 28 letter which was publicly released October 1.
We're at a loss on how you can have a project with no significant environmental effects yet a certificate is denied.—Pacific Booker Minerals Director Erik Tornquist
An October 2 statement from the Lake Babine Nation said that two former copper-gold mines "continue to leach toxic acid and metals into the lake. Concern that the Morrison Mine would add to the cumulative discharges from the two closed mines was a recurring theme raised during the assessment process."
The government decision was only the second time a mine has been rejected in the history of B.C. environmental reviews. In 2008 Northgate Minerals (now AuRico Gold TSX:AUQ) failed at both the federal and provincial level to get approval for a $200-million open-pit expansion to the now-closed Kemess South Gold-Copper Mine. In 2010 the Canadian Environmental Assessment Authority rejected Taseko Mines' TSX:TKO Prosperity Gold-Copper Project, even though it passed B.C.'s environmental review. The federal agency expressed concerns about Prosperity's potential effects on established native rights, potential rights, potential title and culture. In September Taseko re-applied with a $300-million revision for what is now the $1.1-billion New Prosperity proposal.
But currently the most controversial proposal in the always controversial subject of B.C. resources is the Enbridge Northern Gateway pipeline.
In an October 2 column, Vancouver Province writer Michael Smyth suggested the provincial government's opposition to Enbridge is purely political: "With the pipeline so unpopular in B.C. right now, it seems [Premier Christy Clark] was determined to pick a fight, and hope that earns her points with B.C. voters."
Clark's BC Liberal party is trailing far behind the opposition New Democratic Party, which is generally expected to win the provincial election next May. The NDP's 1991 to 2001 period in office, however, was rated a disaster by the mining industry.
B.C.'s environment minister denied any connection between the government's Enbridge stance and his Pacific Booker decision. Lake told Canadian Press (in a story published by CBC), "It would send a very negative message to the investor community if we were to pick things to say 'No' to just to make a point."
Speaking to ResourceClips, Pacific Booker's Tornquist says, "We're at a loss on how you can have a project with no significant environmental effects yet a certificate is denied. We have to look at our options here. It's a bit early. The phone's been ringing off the hook. On the federal side, I talked to the federal government yesterday [October 1] and they're continuing with their process and their decisions are made independently."
Stuart Bertrand, a Public Affairs Officer with B.C.'s Ministry of Environment, informs ResourceClips that the decision can't be appealed. A judicial review may be possible if there are perceived violations of the environmental assessment act. Otherwise the company can submit a new application "with a new project design, as a decision has now been made that the current design is not acceptable."
The Morrison proposal had proven and probable reserves of 1.37 billion pounds copper, 658,090 ounces gold and 10.05 million pounds molybdenum. A February 2009 feasibility study projected a conventional open pit with a 30,000-tonne-per-day mill for a capex of $516.68 million, with a pre-tax IRR of 20.05%, an NPV of $495.9 million at an 8% discount rate and payback in 4.2 years.
Pacific Booker shares opened and closed October 1 at $14.95, just five cents short of its 52-week high. But on October 2 they opened at $5.11 and closed at $4.95, a 52-week low.


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DeKALB – ShoDeen Construction President Dave Patzelt is ready to restart discussions with city leaders about what he should do with a key DeKalb property.
The parcel, which currently holds vacant buildings and signs promising future development, sits on the south side of Lincoln Highway between First and Pearl streets. It's in the heart of the "Communiversity Commons" area city leaders want to develop as a bridge between downtown DeKalb and Northern Illinois University.
After DeKalb City Council members approved ShoDeen's plan for a 1,592-home subdivision on the city's northwest side Monday, Patzelt and DeKalb city staff said they are ready to talk about the downtown property again.
When first proposed in 2008, the plan for the property was dubbed the "NB&T Square" and called for six mixed-use commercial buildings to be anchored by the new bank building. However, NB&T's 8,000-square-foot building is the only development that has come to fruition there.
Patzelt might present a variety of concepts for the space to plan commissioners, council members and other advisers in December or January, interim City Manager Rudy Espiritu said.
"We're seeking direction from the City Council as to what, ideally, they want on that property," Espiritu said.
Past discussions about the property, which is seven acres including the NB&T bank building, have been peppered with conflicting ideas.
Downtown redevelopment plans have called for mixed-use buildings there, but Patzelt's plan about three years ago to build 289 apartments above commercial space fizzled. Some council members don't want more rental housing, but Patzelt said banks are reluctant to fund projects with condominiums.
When he suggested building commercial space without housing, city leaders pointed to the downtown redevelopment plan favoring more housing – and the foot traffic that comes with it.
Other issues have to do with the funding. Part of the property is included in a tax increment financing district, a special taxing area that funnels taxes associated with rising property values toward public improvements.
Patzelt said most redevelopment projects aren't profitable without using these funds to remove dilapidated buildings or improve existing infrastructure, but some council members are cautious about sinking money into a project that has gone nowhere for years.
Sixth Ward Alderman Dave Baker is one of them. At Monday's council meeting, he reiterated his opposition to new rental housing targeting NIU students and to using TIF money for the property.
"I can't think why I would change my mind," Baker said.
But 7th Ward Alderwoman Monica O'Leary said she'd appreciate hearing about the rejected proposals because she wasn't in office when they were first discussed.
Third Ward Alderwoman Kristen Lash pushed Patzelt to clean up the existing buildings on the property if a development isn't imminent, but Patzelt said clearing the buildings could prevent him from pursuing TIF money there because those districts are only allowed in blighted areas.
"Yes, we'd like to develop them," Patzelt said Tuesday in a phone interview. "There's some tough issues."


text: JayShel 32 Report post Posted March 17, 2012 Moving this out of private chat because I think that this is a topic best held in the open for others to learn from: You do realize that the muslims do use that exact same complaint against christianity, right? "The main problem I see with Islam is the severe lack of historical support and ignorance of historical evidence surrounding such assertions." They do at least have a point in that the Bible's new testament has been revised, edited, or purposefully shaped in some way or another at around the time of the council of Nicea at around 325 AD. I am not sure of this claim, but Muslims say that their Quran has not had a single dot changed since it was originally written. To their credit, the Quran has not been translated over and over again, as there is such a thing as 'lost in translation'. I have seen a picture somewhere saying something like this: "Christians say Muslims are wrong. Muslims say Christians are wrong. Atheists sy they are both right." That would more or less sum my position on organized religion This is why I told you to read the book "More Than A Carpenter. Most of your questions and contentions would have been answered by it. Exhibit A: There are cult groups (Jehovah's Witnesses, The Way International, Christadelphians, etc.) who deny the Trinity and state that the doctrine was not mentioned until the 4th Century until after the time of the Council of Nicea (325). This council "was called by Emperor Constantine to deal with the error of Arianism [see page 45] which was threatening the unity of the Christian Church." The following quotes show that the doctrine of the Trinity was indeed alive-and-well before the Council of Nicea: Polycarp (70-155/160). Bishop of Smyrna. Disciple of John the Apostle. "O Lord God almighty... I bless you and glorify you through the eternal and heavenly high priest Jesus Christ, your beloved Son, through whom be glory to you, with Him and the Holy Spirit, both now and forever" (n. 14, ed. Funk; PG 5.1040). Justin Martyr (100?-165?). He was a Christian apologist and martyr. "For, in the name of God, the Father and Lord of the universe, and of our Savior Jesus Christ, and of the Holy Spirit, they then receive the washing with water" (First Apol., LXI). Ignatius of Antioch (died 98/117). Bishop of Antioch. He wrote much in defense of Christianity. "In Christ Jesus our Lord, by whom and with whom be glory and power to the Father with the Holy Spirit for ever" (n. 7; PG 5.988). "We have also as a Physician the Lord our God Jesus the Christ the only-begotten Son and Word, before time began, but who afterwards became also man, of Mary the virgin. For 'the Word was made flesh.' Being incorporeal, He was in the body; being impassible, He was in a passable body; being immortal, He was in a mortal body; being life, He became subject to corruption, that He might free our souls from death and corruption, and heal them, and might restore them to health, when they were diseased with ungodliness and wicked lusts." (Alexander Roberts and James Donaldson, eds., The ante-Nicene Fathers, Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1975 rpt., Vol. 1, p. 52, Ephesians 7.) Irenaeus (115-190). As a boy he listened to Polycarp, the disciple of John. He became Bishop of Lyons. "The Church, though dispersed throughout the whole world, even to the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and their disciples this faith: ...one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are in them; and in one Christ Jesus, the Son of God, who became incarnate for our salvation; and in the Holy Spirit, who proclaimed through the prophets the dispensations of God, and the advents, and the birth from a virgin, and the passion, and the resurrection from the dead, and the ascension into heaven in the flesh of the beloved Christ Jesus, our Lord, and His manifestation from heaven in the glory of the Father 'to gather all things in one,' and to raise up anew all flesh of the whole human race, in order that to Christ Jesus, our Lord, and God, and Savior, and King, according to the will of the invisible Father, 'every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth, and that every tongue should confess; to him, and that He should execute just judgment towards all...'" (Against Heresies X.l) Tertullian (160-215). African apologist and theologian. He wrote much in defense of Christianity. "We define that there are two, the Father and the Son, and three with the Holy Spirit, and this number is made by the pattern of salvation... [which] brings about unity in trinity, interrelating the three, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. They are three, not in dignity, but in degree, not in substance but in form, not in power but in kind. They are of one substance and power, because there is one God from whom these degrees, forms and kinds devolve in the name of Father, Son and Holy Spirit." (Adv. Prax. 23; PL 2.156-7). Origen (185-254). Alexandrian theologian. Defended Christianity and wrote much about Christianity. "If anyone would say that the Word of God or the Wisdom of God had a beginning, let him beware lest he direct his impiety rather against the unbegotten Father, since he denies that he was always Father, and that he has always begotten the Word, and that he always had wisdom in all previous times or ages or whatever can be imagined in priority... There can be no more ancient title of almighty God than that of Father, and it is through the Son that he is Father" (De Princ. 1.2.; PG 11.132). "For if [the Holy Spirit were not eternally as He is, and had received knowledge at some time and then became the Holy Spirit] this were the case, the Holy Spirit would never be reckoned in the unity of the Trinity, i.e., along with the unchangeable Father and His Son, unless He had always been the Holy Spirit." (Alexander Roberts and James Donaldson, eds., The Ante-Nicene Fathers, Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1975 rpt., Vol. 4, p. 253, de Principiis, 1.111.4) "Moreover, nothing in the Trinity can be called greater or less, since the fountain of divinity alone contains all things by His word and reason, and by the Spirit of His mouth sanctifies all things which are worthy of sanctification..." (Roberts and Donaldson, Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. 4, p. 255, de Principii., I. iii. 7). If, as the anti-Trinitarians maintain, the Trinity is not a biblical doctrine and was never taught until the council of Nicea in 325, then why do these quotes exist? The answer is simple: the Trinity is a biblical doctrine and it was taught before the council of Nicea in 325 A.D. Part of the reason that the Trinity doctrine was not "officially" taught until the time of the Council of Nicea is because Christianity was illegal until shortly before the council. It wasn't really possible for official Christian groups to meet and discuss doctrine. For the most part, they were fearful of making public pronouncements concerning their faith. Additionally, if a group had attacked the person of Adam, the early church would have responded with an official doctrine of who Adam was. As it was, the person of Christ was attacked. When the Church defended the deity of Christ, the doctrine of the Trinity was further defined. The early church believed in the Trinity, as is evidenced by the quotes above, and it wasn't necessary to really make them official. It wasn't until errors started to creep in that councils began to meet to discuss the Trinity, as well as other doctrines that came under fire. http://carm.org/earl...nitarian-quotes Yes, you are probably correct that the Quran has been well preserved since it has been written (600 years after Jesus died) , but in that well preserved writing, Muhammad attempts to rewrite the history concerning Jesus that is easily disproved by historical documents dating before the Quran was written. Nice try Mohammad. Finally I address your stance that the Bible could have been changed over time by a "telephone game" over the years. This is impossible. (Total New Testament manuscripts = 5,300 Greek MSS, 10,000 Latin Vulgates, 9,300 others = 24,000 copies) (Total MSS compiled prior to 600 AD = 230) What one notices almost immediately from the table is that the New Testament manuscript copies which we possess today were compiled very early, a number of them hundreds of years before the earliest copy of a secular manuscript. This not only shows the importance the early Christians gave to preserving their scriptures, but the enormous wealth we have today for early Biblical documentation. http://debate.org.uk...qur/bibmanu.htm And I don't know how current that is, because new documents are found once every few months. Your are correct, there are many different translations of the Bible but ALL of them go back to the oldest available historical manuscripts to make their translations. Different teams translate in different ways, ranging from strict literal to though-for-thought (to attempt to make it easier to understand). I prefer a literal translation and regularly look up the original Greek or Hebrew for clarity through Strong's concordance. No corruption to be found. Edit: I stand corrected concerning the historical accuracy of the Quran: So what comparisons are there between the manuscript evidence for the Qur'an and the Bible? We know from the historical record that by the end of the seventh century the Arabs had expanded right across North Africa and up into Spain, and east as far as India. The Qur'an (according to later Islamic tradition) was the centrepiece of their faith and practice at that time. Certainly within that enormous sphere of influence there should therefore be some Qur'anic manuscripts which still exist till this day. Yet, there is nothing from that period at all. The only manuscripts which Islam provides turn out to have been compiled in the ninth century, while the earliest corroborated manuscript is dated 790 A.D., written not 1400 years ago as Muslims claim but a mere 1,200 years ago. While Christianity can claim more than 5,300 known Greek manuscripts of the New Testament, 10,000 Latin Vulgates and at least 9,300 other early versions, adding up to over 24,000 corroborated New Testament manuscripts still in existence (McDowell 1990:43-55), most of which were written between 25-400 years after the death of Christ (or between the 1st and 5th centuries) (McDowell 1972:39-49), Islam cannot provide a single manuscript until well into the eighth century (Lings & Safadi 1976:17; Schimmel 1984:4-6). If the Christians could retain so many thousands of ancient manuscripts, all of which were written long before the Qur'an, at a time when paper had not yet been introduced, forcing the dependency on papyrus which disintegrated with age, then one wonders why the Muslims are not able to forward a single manuscript from this much later period, during which the Qur'an was supposedly revealed? This indeed gives the Bible a much stronger claim for reliability than the Qur'an. Furthermore, while the earliest New Testament manuscripts as well as the earliest letters from the church fathers correspond with the New Testament which we have in our hands, providing us with some certainty that they have not been unduly added to or tampered with, the Qur'anic material which we have in our possession abounds with stories whose origins we can now trace to second century Jewish and Christian apocryphal literature. We know in some cases who wrote them, when exactly they were written and at times even why they were written; and that none of them were from a divine source, as they were written by the most human of Rabbis and storytellers over the intervening centuries after the Bible had been canonized. http://debate.org.uk...qur/bibmanu.htm Read more about the Quran's document evidence: http://debate.org.uk...-qur/qurdoc.htm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites


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Most students are well-behaved and thoughtful of others. It's the ones who aren't that get the notice, require more than their rightful share of an instructor's time, and too often create an unpleasant class dynamic. This issue's Thriving in Academe offers some strategies for helping students grasp the concept that civility is an integral part of learning.
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...About an increase in the proportion of adults who say they are reading some kind of literary work.
During the fall 2008 election campaign, I spent ten weeks based in northwest Ohio, working with Ohio Education Association and NEA colleagues.
The Higher Education conference focus will be on college preparation and readiness and K-12 and higher education cooperation.
The latest community college student engagement survey finds that community college students are challenged by their professors and work hard in their courses.
In January, a new president and a new Congress began work, and both gave early signals that higher education is a priority.
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This section is intended to promote ever more effective teaching and learning in higher education through dialogue among colleagues.
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This morning I saw a new dementia patient, Mr. Bukubux.
He's an older gentleman, who hasn't quite been himself for a while, but his family couldn't put a finger on what was different... Until recently.
He and his wife are members of Headupthebutt Country Club, and have an annual holiday party for their friends. At these shindigs he's always the bartender, which he enjoys doing and is good at.
At this year's party, however, several guests complained to Mrs. Bukubux about their drinks. He'd forgotten various people's favorites, though that was a minor issue.
More concerning was that he was mixing them incorrectly, combining ingredients at random, depending on which bottles happened to be near him at the time.
One lady ordered a scotch & soda. Mr. Bukubox handed her a coffee mug containing milk and red wine, with a lemon floating in it.
Another man asked for a martini. He was handed apple juice with a Ritz cracker bobbing in it.


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GAZA, Aug. 23 (UPI) -- Eight Palestinians died Saturday as Israel forces and Palestinian militants traded fire in their sixth week of fighting, officials said.
Most rockets fired out of Gaza were intercepted or fell into open areas, though one struck a dining hall near an area where a 4-year-old Israeli boy was killed one day earlier.
Israeli strikes, though, killed at least eight people in Gaza. That brings to death toll in Gaza to about 2,100, most of whom were civilians.
Israel warned people in Gaza to vacate any structure from which attacks on Israel were being carried out.
"The mission is still ongoing," text messages sent to Gazans said. "Beware."
Meanwhile, Egypt, which has been moderating negotiations between the two sides, has called for an open-ended cease-fire after talks broke down earlier in the week.


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UN in GeneralUN General Assembly 63rd session
Peace and Security
CTBTO launches new website
The new website of the Preparatory Commission for the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization (CTBTO) includes a host of new features which will benefit States, the media, NGOs, academic institutions, think tanks and the public at large. These features range from greatly expanded written and visual content, powered by state-of the-art technology, to a more comprehensive search engine and a number of engaging multimedia applications. Our goal is to make this website the primary source of substantive information in a number of fields related to the ban on nuclear testing.
Security Council concept paper (S/2008/590)
English, French & Spanish: http://www.un.org/Docs/journal/asp/ws.asp?m=S/2008/590
The President of the Security Council for the month of September, Burkina Faso, has issued a concept paper for the Security Council High-level meeting on "Mediation and settlement of disputes" to be held in New York on 23 September (S/2008/590). With the overall objective of helping to promote mediation as a method of dispute settlement, the high-level meeting aims to achieve a number specific objectives as outlined in the report.
UNRWA commemorates 1948
UNRWA is revisiting events and experiences of Palestinians from all walks of life before the war of 1948.
Afghan Opium Survey 2008 (UNODC)
Economic & Social Development
Humanitarian AffairsHousing for All: The challenges of affordability, accessibility and sustainability; The experiences and instruments from the developing and developed worlds (UN-HABITAT)
International LawJuridical Yearbook online
The Brussels based United Nations Regional Information Centre for Western Europe - UNRIC provides information on UN activities to the countries of the region. It also provides liaison with institutions of the European Union in the field of information. Its outreach activities extend to all segments of society and joint campaigns, projects and events are organized with partners including the EU, governments, the media, NGOs, schools and local authorities.
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The sun is out, it's finally warm and you and your pets are ready to frolic outdoors. While you're out there having fun, here are a few tips to keep them healthy and safe.
Some of our favorite pet friends spend a fair amount of time sticking their noses into somebody else's business… namely Mister Skunk's. If they have an encounter of the smelly kind, skip the tomato juice. It barely makes a dent in the scent and you end up with a pink pet! Instead, head to the store for two quarts of Hydrogen Peroxide, a half cup of baking soda, and about one or two tablespoons of liquid dish soap. Just mix it all together, and work it deep into the fur – be sure to keep it away from your buddy's eyes! Let it sit for a few minutes, rinse thoroughly, and reapply to heavily oiled areas if necessary.
If you have a pet who joyfully rockets himself into the car at the mere mention of a R.I.D.E., please remember some important safety tips. Your pet needs to buckle up, just like you. (Special seat belts are available.) An unrestrained animal can be fatally injured by a sudden stop. Under no circumstances should an unrestrained pet ride in the back of truck. And even though he may enjoy riding with his head out the window, it puts him at risk of injury from flying debris. Even on mild days, the sun can raise the temperature inside your parked car to 120 degrees in a matter of minutes. So if you're running errands, please leave your pet at home.
Exercise is an important part of keeping your dog or cat at a healthy weight, which helps his body stay cool, but overdoing it can cause him to overheat. Keep the walks to a gentle pace and make sure he has plenty of water. If he's panting a lot or seems exhausted, it's time to stop. Hot weather may tempt your pet to drink from puddles in the street, which can contain antifreeze and other chemicals. Antifreeze has a sweet taste that animals like, but it's extremely toxic. When you're walking your pet, make sure he doesn't sneak a drink from the street.
Keeping your pet well groomed will help his hair do what it was designed to do: protect him from the sun and insulate him from the heat. If he has extremely thick hair or a lot of mats and tangles, his fur may trap too much heat, so you may want to clip him. And so you don't have uninvited guests on your pet or in your home, be sure your pet is protected by veterinarian-approved protection against fleas and ticks.
And finally, keep an eye on what your pet is munching on. According to the Humane Society, there are over 700 plant species that can be toxic to animals. Here are some of the most common:
Shrubs: all parts of azaleas, Christmas berry leaves, holly berries, seeds and pods of lupines and oleander leaves.
Wildflowers: all parts of delphinium, Jack-in-the-pulpit, woody aster and mustard seeds.
Garden Flowers: daffodil and narcissus bulbs; bird-of-paradise pods; lily-of-the-valley leaves and flowers; and all parts of daylilies, and autumn crocus.
Garden and House Plants: potato shoots and sprouts, and yellow oleander can harm animals. Pets should not be exposed to house plants like elephant ear, lantana, mistletoe, philodendron and poinsettia.
Our pets bring us so much joy and companionship. Let's do all we can to keep them healthy and safe.
Poisonous Flowers & Plants for Animals | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/facts_6023203_poisonous-flowers-plants-animals.html#ixzz1JzNEKykw


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As part of Dinosaur Adventure, children of all ages will enjoy a variety of activities: fossil crafting, Jurassic jeeps, themed obstacle courses, riding their favorite dinosaur, and more! The whole family will also be amused by our live entertainment featuring a walking dinosaur show, and a baby dinosaur meet & greet.
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A selection of photos from the Flickr group – and a reminder that this is the last chance to see the fabulous builds that made up the SL9B Community Event … as they're all coming down tomorrow!
Here are some recent shots of the exhibits with – as usual – links where the photographers have given them!
A view of Egypt, "before it disappears forever" as KT Syakumi says:


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The board in front of the building says "Lakshmi Electricals : We repair all types of electrical appliances and instruments. Low charges, Quick Delivery, Quality Guaranteed ". A small note below that advertisement says " Please bang the door, if closed : The calling bell is not working for the last few days"
This allegory smugly fits the Bank I am referring, like a levis Pants to the young and attractive.
Here is the case : Very interesting
A few days ago, my father in law (FIL) about 82 years , went to the branch of his Bank, a nationalised Bank, to enquire about online Banking account. My FIL is not net savvy, but he thinks otherwise. He has a smart phone, high end. That was enough for him ! Added to this, my son, installed a plethora of social network applications like Whatsapp, Skype and lured him to use online net banking application. If you can do online chatting in Whatsapp, you have mastered technology! Thats all ! That is my FIL's considered view ! He is The starting point for this short story !
"Why Grand pa, you go in the hot sun to the Bank?". That clinched !, My father in law decided to install online Banking in his Smart phone.
More importantly, The branch had recently installed a self service Pass book printing machine, in the middle of the hall. It appears, may be destiny, whenever my FIL tries to update his Pass Book, the machine refuses and goes out of order . Is it not Professor Murphy said "If anything can go wrong -- it will" .
Adding insult to the injury, my FIL , being hard of hearing, could not decipher what the machine says ( Interactive system). To make things worse, Poor eye sight, so he can't read what the machine blinks!. He has creaking legs, so he cannot stand long in the serpentine queue. So, He decided to bring the bank to his home through the smart phone.
Incidentally, He had large deposits in the Bank and periodic interest credited to his account. At this twilight zone, he had all the time in the world to go through the pass book statements and check things over and over meticulously. He takes pleasure in finding mistakes and tormenting Bank assistants with his knowledge queries!
So my FIL , escorted by my wife for noise or voice amplification, was sitting in the Branch Manager's cabin. The Branch Manager beamed and said, "Why don't you come in the evening!, when the counter is free! . I will get the kit from the counter! ". In a nationalised Bank, you should not get a job done in one go ! That is the unwritten rule !
Evening about 4.00 pm , when my FIL accosted the counter clerk, the assistant said " We have no stock ! Come after 15 days ". After my wife's repeating this to my FIL in high decibles , FIL whined "Your Manager said he will give it in the evening!" The assistant promptly responded, "You should have asked me instead of him! " a bit nonchalant, I –don't –care-what –the-BM-says attitude. Always it is the fault of the customer, never his ! My FIL returned empty handed . All his hopes of meddling with the application in the mobile dashed! Now he has to go and plead the assistants or cajoling the lousy machine for getting the pass book updated.
The matter does not end there.! .....
While this drama was on, My wife, sitting next to FIL , was eavesdropping the conversation of another old couple in the adjacent counter.
" Sir my ATM card is not working!" The senior citizen customer was complaining.
The clerk, asking in a demanding tone "What did you do? Tell me, then only I will be able to help you! Did you keep the card in your back packet?"
"No Sir ! I am wearing dhoti!" The customer was clearly confused.The clerk, apparently, in a mood to investigate the root cause, shot the next question " When did you last use your ATM card?".The customer moved hesitantly " Sir, About six months Back!"
The counter clerk was jubilant . He solved the case ! . Smart guy. " Ah! There you are ! You have not used your ATM card for six months. As per the Bank rules, the card is blocked. So You can get a fresh ATM card, fill up this form and give it to me. I will send it, you will get a new card in a fortnight's time"
The couple left slowly , accompanied by a crackling joint and hip , disappointed look on their face ! My FIL and my wife also returned the same way, empty handed.
The matter does not end here..... !
My home :
I was relaxing ! Evening snacks time ! Those who have grit and health, will enjoy "Pakoda" . Not for me! I have crossed that young and energetic stage ! It is just some lousy Biscuits and tea ! My wife narrated the episodes. She was unhappy about the customer treatment at the Branch!
I remembered the golden words of my ex boss , a top executive in the Bank , a very pragmatic and sense of humour person, " What is our Bank deposits!? It is net of Walk- in -Deposit minus Driven-out-Deposit! "
I was feeling sorry for the disappointment of my FIL. However, My worry was different, I have not used my Bank ATM card for the past one year or So. Is it possible my card is blocked? What will happen if I decide to use it? Why not I check?
Next day morning, after coffee, I went straight to the Bank's ATM. I tried to withdraw, Surprise! it worked. I took the money and turned. I could not understand why the card was not blocked? Is it possible, the assistant bluffed the customer ? I had no clue !
While returning I noticed two things ! 1. One of the two ATM was out of order ! 2. No watchman. Usually, there used to be a watchman! I remembered earlier occasions also, when I was crossing the street, I saw no watchman !
My imagination went disarray ! Is it the reason, in some late nights, the ATMs were closed with an "Out of Order" sign board? Is it possible, the Air-conditioned ATM is used as a free shelter for the wayward junkie in the nights?
As a good Samaritan, I decided to inform the bank management , whatever it is worth, about the online Banking kit, wrong info fed by the branch staff about ATM card, Misuse of ATM cabins etc etc.,
I was under the impression, complaints are a clear indicators of weakness and/or failure - in other words operational risk assessment carried out by customers. The complaints provide a new opportunity for product development and adaptation.
I googled , searched and found the helpline email id of the Bank. Painstakingly, I shot a complaint mail pointing out the deficiencies. Immediately, I receive d a response. "Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:"
I tried to contact the toll free number.Ringing ………….Ringing………Ringing. I slammed the phone. This is how the nationalised Bank takes the complaints and views of the customers. They must be taking a view "Less Work Less Mistakes !"
Now we come to the top of the story. Read the first paragraph "The board in front of the building says "Lakshmi Electricals : We repair all types of electrical appliances and instruments. Low charges, Quick Delivery, Quality Guaranteed ". A small note below that advertisement says " Please bang the door, if closed : The calling bell is not working for the last few days"
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The Division of Licensing & Certification licenses and inspects healthcare facilities and agencies including hospitals, nursing homes, rural health clinics, ambulatory surgery centers, renal dialysis centers, residential care/assisted living facilities, developmental disabilities agencies, and residential habilitation agencies. Periodic inspections ensure Idaho citizens receive safe, high quality care. The Division manages the certification program for certified family homes.
These web pages offer information on overviews, application process, regulatory requirements, best practices, educational resources, and links relating to specific groups of providers. The information serves as a means for communicating changes related to the provider community. In most cases, the information centers on operation and management of a facility/agency rather than on a person. There are multiple types of providers with two primary groups:
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The nights are drawing in fast and by the time of this meeting the clocks will have gone back - so more modelling time
So another opportunity for you to display your latest 'piece de resistance' to the gathered masses at the usual time and usual place.(I might even bring something myself. )
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In 1918, a contract for a new school building in Ray City, GA was let out by the Board of Education. Plans for the building were drawn by Valdosta architect Lloyd B. Greer. The contract for materials went to A. H. Miller Hardware Store in Ray City.
Construction on the brick school building, which has been preserved in Ray City and which now houses the Joe Sizemore Community Library, began in 1920. The Ray City School opened in 1922.
The brick school building at Ray City, GA was designed by Valdosta architect Lloyd Greer. Among other buildings designed by Greer were: Federal Building and Post Office, Valdosta, GA; Carnegie Library, Valdosta,GA; First Church of Christ, Scientist, Tallahassee, FL; James Price McRee House, Camilla, GA; Dasher High School, Valdosta, GA; Barney School, Barney, GA; Barber-Pitman House, Valdosta, GA; Lanier County Auditorium and Grammar School, Lakeland, GA; Ilex Theater, Quitman,GA; Moultrie Theater, Moultrie, GA; United Cigar Store Building, Jacksonville, GA; Quitman Library, Quitman, GA; Echols County High School, Statenville, GA; Barrow Hall, Emory Junior College, Valdosta, GA; Pine Grove School, Fitzgerald, GA; Christ Episcopal Church, Valdosta, GA; Douglas Negro High School and Douglas White High School, Douglas, GA; Nichols House,Valdosta, GA; Berrien High School, Nashville, GA. The Lyric Theater, Waycross,GA was designed by Greer.
Old Wooden School at Ray City, GA
The Ray City High School Class of 1949 wrote, "The school of our community was begun long before our town received its present name having been known as Rays Mill. "
Among those early teachers of Ray's Mill (now Ray City) was Henry Harrison Knight (1840-1898). These teachers taught in the little one room log house schools of Berrien county, and were often paid in "found" – bartered, homegrown commodities such as ham, chickens, eggs, or butter.
The first school building was located on the east side of town. This building was destroyed by fire. Then a log cabin called the Alliance Building was constructed in 1898, and was used for about two years.
In January 1898, the Tifton Gazette reported that Robert Crawford Woodard was the teacher at the Rays Mill academy. He later went on to become a physician.
In 1900 the interested people of the community decided to make an improvement in the school plant. Trees were cut from their lands and carried to Sutton's Sawmill to be made into lumber, for the purpose of erecting a frame building. That stood where our present building is now standing. It consisted of one large room. Some of the interested patrons who helped with this building were: J. S. Swindle, W. E. Langford, Isaac Burkhalter, Redding Swindle, and W. M. Knight. With the aid of other patrons they completed the first Ray City School. -History of Ray City School (1948-49 Yearbook)
The town experienced a boom period when the Georgia & Florida Railroad came to Ray City in 1909. "The increased population made it necessary to make an addition of two more rooms to the school." -History of Ray City School (1948-49 Yearbook)
The January 19, 1911 edition of the Valdosta Times reported news of the school in Rays Mill (now Ray City). Husband and wife team James Marcus Patten and Ida Lou Hall Patten were running the school. Professor J.M. Patten was college educated, having completed the teacher education program at North Georgia Agricultural College, and had twenty years experience teaching in the common schools of Berrien County.
In 1918, the Reverend John W. Shoemate and Mrs. Harriet M. Shoemate came to Ray City to take charge of the school. Reverend Shoemate was a native of Tennessee, and a Baptist minister. Mrs. Shoemate was a native of South Dakota, and college educated. In Ray City, they were the neighbors of Professor and Mrs. J. M. Patten. Mrs. Patten was also then occupied teaching public school. The Ray City School was then still held in the three-room, wood frame building, and educated students through the eighth grade. One student from this time period was Claudey Belle Hester, who wrote well enough for publication in Progressive Farmer.
According to the Annual Report of the Department of Education, in 1920 the public high school in Ray's Mill was a 2-year Junior High School. Sankey Booth was Superintendent of the school and later served on the Berrien County Board of Education. One of the teachers in old Ray City was Louannie Eudell Webb (1902-1972), who started teaching by age 17. She was a daughter of Luther Webb and Mary J. Albritton, and had only an 8th grade education herself. She married Leroy Lorenzo Carter on August 3, 1922. Another teacher at Ray City in 1920 was Lucile Fountain; she taught the fourth grade class. According to later census records, she herself had only attended school through the 4th grade. It was the talk of the town when her beau, Calvin Simmons, came and got her out of class and took her to get married on February 13, 1923. Maria Antoniette Poblete Knight worked as an art teacher at the Ray City School in the 1920s.
The Brick School
That [multi-room wood school house] was used until 1920 when work on the present building was started. -History of Ray City School (from the 1948-49 Yearbook)
In 1924, the Georgia Library Commission added the Ray City School as the only station in Berrien County for the Georgia Traveling Library. the Georgia Library Commission had been created in 1919 by the General Assembly with and annual appropriation of $6,000, which included funds for the maintenance of traveling libraries. These traveling libraries typically provided 50 or 100 books, which were available for a few months before being passed on to the next station.
Wilma Harper began her 60 year teaching career at the Ray City School in 1928 at the age of 18. There she met and fell in love with Prentice M. Shultz, who taught and was principal at Ray City School. A year later they were married.
In 1928, the Georgia Library Commission reported library service offered in Berrien only at Ray City, through the Ray City School and at the Kings Chapel School.
The Great Depression took a great toll on Berrien County, and Ray City struggled with funding to keep the school open. Only through the generous contributions of local citizens and by charging students a tuition, was the school able to continue for the full term. In 1930, the school could not even afford to hold graduation exercises.
In the 1930s many schools in smaller communities were consolidated. In 1936, Pleasant Vale and Sapling Grove schools were closed and the students sent to Ray City.
The Ray City School held a junior high school rating until 1936, when it became an accredited senior high school. Another classroom building was added that year to the school plant. -History of Ray City School (from the 1948-49 Yearbook)
By the 1940-41 school term, New Lois High School was also consolidated with Ray City High School.
In the early days students at Ray City School brought their own lunches to school and ate outside on the school grounds, as there was no lunchroom or kitchen to prepare food. David Miley recalled a sow that used to come into the playground, and snatch the lunch bags of unsuspecting kids. The school grounds were fenced and had a cattle gap to keep free ranging livestock from entering the schoolyard. Even so, livestock could and did occasionally get into the school yard. By 1941, the school had a lunch room serving 150 students a day.
William E. "Bill" Griner (1902-1984) was the janitor at the Ray City School. He came to school very early every day and built a fire in the potbellied stove in every room. There were four classrooms and the soup kitchen in the old wooden building. In the brick building there were six classrooms, the principal's office and the laboratory, each with their own stove. At Christmas, every student brought Bill a gift. Bill had a nephew nicknamed Peanut, and although Bill himself had only two years of formal schooling, he worked hard to make sure that Peanut made it through high school. Peanut later became a policeman at Remerton, GA.
During WWII, Ray City School did its part. Wilma G. Schultz was the draft Registrar for the Ray City School precinct. Vocational agriculture teacher St. Elmo Lee gave up his classrooms at Ray City and New Lois, GA for the U.S. Army. Graduates and former students left Ray City to go to war. Some never came back. Hubert Comer (RCHS 1940) joined the Navy and was killed in the D-Day invasion of Normandy Beach. Harry Elmore Devane (RCHS 1938) also joined the Navy. On D-Day Devane was a boat officer on a tank landing craft at Omaha Beach. He was killed in an accident aboard the aircraft carrier USS FDR after the war. James A. Swindle (RCHS 1936) captained a B-26 Marauder and flew 75 bombing missions; he was decorated with the Distinguished Flying Cross. Maurice "Max" Johnson (RCHS 1940) served as a B-24 pilot during WWII from 1942 to 1945. Leland E Langford (RCHS 1939) enlisted on June 12, 1941, serving as an Army pilot until he was killed in a plane crash in 1949. J.I. Clements (RCHS 1938) joined the Army and fought in Germany. Many other alumni of Ray City School served as well.
In 1940, Lelia McConnell was a cook in the WPA school lunch room. Allie Starling was lunchroom supervisor and Martha Burkhalter was lunchroom waitress. Earl W. Deloach was a bus driver. Prentiss M. Shultz was superintendent and his wife, Wilma G. Shultz was a teacher. Mary Peele was a music teacher. Other teachers were Jessie Francis Webb, Hazel Tabor, James Gaskins Grady, Earnestine M. Zeigler, Eloise M. Williams, Josephine Collier, and Dorothy Chisholm. Maurice "Max" Johnson (RCHS 1940) was assistant janitor.
William R. "Mac" McClure was principal of the school in the mid 1940s. Charles Woodrow "Woody" Schmoe served as principal in the late 1940s and early 1950s. His wife, Nancy Young Schmoe, taught 5th Grade.
In 1947 a fifteen thousand dollar gymnasium was constructed by the patrons, a building in which the whole community justly takes pride (1948-49 Yearbook). The town dedicated the building with a big dance celebration and the crowning of the Queen of the Harvest. One of the teachers that year was Emily Britton Parker, wife of the Methodist Minister Pledger Parker.
In 1948, a vocational building was erected by the veterans of World War II, at the end of five years this … [became] a part of Ray City School.
It was in 1949 that veterans of World War II built a "very modern and up-to-date lunchroom" for the school.
In 1954, Ray City High School and all other white high schools in the county were combined into Nashville High School. The brick school building at Ray City continued to serve as an elementary and middle school until 1994, when all county schools were consolidated into facilities in Nashville.