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I have been receiving a lot of messages encouraging me to continue this blog. However, it is already a "done deal" that this blog will end once it reaches the 1000th post. This is also the reason why my most recent articles focus more on empowering you to do your own Feng Shui and to understanding what needs to be done in case there is a Feng Shui blunder.
Some people are also asking about getting amulets after I have ended this blog. Well, it is possible that amulets will find their way to you if you are ready for it. However, you have to understand that sometimes you need to be able to understand when that time has come, sometimes an amulet that comes your way now because you need it will not present itself again in the future should you decide to let go of that opportunity.
Speaking of amulets, today's article is about some special amulets. I think this is something being made available to us by Guru Lama because of the pending ending of this blog.
Those who have been with me in this journey of Feng Shui blogging right when it started will know that one of the most powerful natural Feng Shui tool from nature aside from the metal gold is the power of gemstones. For the Chinese, the foremost of all these gemstones is the jade.
I have written about the power of jade. In fact, the Piyao (also called or spelled as Pi Yao, Pixie, Pi Xie, Pi Xiu, or Pixiu) is only truly effective when it is made of gold or jade. Needless to say, real jade because there are so many fake jades in the market. It is not an exaggeration when I say that most jade Piyaos in the market now are made of fake jade. Of course, the most powerful ones are those that are blessed by a high lama or monk, and are made of empowered gold like the SPECIAL GOLD PIYAO or empowered jades. They are empowered thru mantras, sutras, and/or pujas performed by Bhiksus or Bhiksunis or high lamas.
Let me go back to the power of jade.
Contrary to popular belief that a jade is a Chinese stone, jade is actually used in various cultures and nations and Ancient Civilization or Ancient Societies, but I think it was given it highest regard by the Chinese. But history shows that jade is revered by a lot of cultures. Not to mention jade is also found in different countries like Mexico, India, Canada, New Zealand, and a lot more. However, they jade experts believes that superior jade is found in China, Russia, and Myanmar, formerly known as Burma.
These countries who also had the jade believes in the power of the jade.
In fact, the ancient Mexicans has very high regard for the jade. Like the Chinese they make that jade is use in the carving of their gods. In fact, Kukulcan and Quetzalcoatl, the supreme gods of the ancient Mexicans are traditionally depicted with jade in their eyes and navel. They believe that if jade is not used in their eyes and their navel the images are just plain simple images and will not be able to channel the energies of the said god.
It was also a custom of the Mayans to place small pieces of jade in the mouth of their ruler the Jaguar Bird at his death. It is said that the jade will act as the receptacle of the dead ruler's spirit. The Mayans also associate the jade with water (money), vegetation (wealth), the sky (heavenly blessings), life (chi or energy), renewal and rebirth. You will notice that this is very similar to the Chinese. If you remember a previous article, it is customary for the Chinese to put a jade cicada in the mouth of a person who has just died to ensure good rebirth.
The belief of putting a jade in the mouth of the dead was shared by other ancient cultures. Some of you might find it surprising the jade was found in the tombs or even in the pyramids of Egyptian rulers. They were place at the heart of the Egyptian ruler. No definite study was made to understand why use jade as representative of the heart, that we can only surmise that they believe that jade is the stone that can aid good rebirth and capture the good essence of the heart of a person as the Chinese belief states.
Furthermore, in Mesoamerica, a jade is considered so precious and powerful that people of the "lower" class bracket are not allowed to own a jade. Because they believe that this will make the person powerful. A person of the "lower" social class bracket was found to have a jade, no matter how small, they would be immediately executed. Many books have written about this, but none has written about it as extensively as Peterson Fredrick wrote in his book "Ancient Mexico: Introduction to the Pre-Hispanic Cultures."
According to Peterson Fredrick, the Aztecs has a law for a "man of low quality" to own a jade, because the stone was reserved for high priests and nobility. It is also considered as one of the most important offering, still much like what Chinese Buddhists do in offering jades and gold these days. That jade is used as a special sacred offering is fully evident in Cenoté and Chichen Itzá.
In the ancient Southwest Pacific, they believe that when you give a jade to a person, you also give a part of your soul. Thus, it is only given to a loved one or parent to child or vice versa.
But as mentioned, nobody has used jade and revered it as much as the Chinese does. Chinese Buddhist and/or Taoists believes that an image of a Buddha, or Bodhisattva, or deity or god made of jade is superior to other images. Contemporary Buddhist monks try to downplay this belief because they don't want people to have a misplaced belief that non – jade images are worthless, but to this day a lot of Buddhist monks believes this to be the case.
From ancient times to this day, the Chinese believes that everyone should own at least one jade. The stone will serve to protect you, bless you with wealth and health. I for one owns several pieces of jade, including a very rare piece of Chung Kwei black jade. My black jade is only one of the two black jades in the country. On top of owning a black jade, every single member of the family has at least one small piece of jade. The younger generation are all gifted with a jade, but of course, my generation and the older generation all have several pieces. I have mentioned several times in this blog my jade Kuan Yin pendant and several pieces of Piyao jade, I still wear this jade everyday even though I already have the very powerful SPECIAL GOLD PIYAO. On top of that I also have a jade ring set in gold. Sharing all these not to brag about my jade collection, but to show how much value and belief I have in a jade. In fact, Lillian Too, who perhaps is the world's most famous Feng Shui writer has repeatedly mentioned and given credit to her jade bangle for her success and wealth.
But more than success and wealth, a jade is also a very good protection stone. I remember, when we were still young, my sister had an accident in school. She feels from the stairs, she was not hurt, even though the stairs were made of hard stone. Her jade bangle broke into two though.
I can go on and on and on about how powerful a jade is. In fact, one can write a book simply talking about its mystical properties and wonderful stories from people who experienced these energies. But one of the most powerful way to know this is simply by experiencing the power of a jade. Regular readers of this blog know that I always say that each and every person should at least own one piece of jade.
Now another misconception about jade is that it is always green. That's not true. There are brown jade, yellow jade, white jade, pink jade, purple or violet jade, orange jade, red jade, and as mentioned the rare black jade. But of course, the most common one is a green jade. But even the green jade has various shade. There is the ice jade, which is a clear type or opaque type of a very light almost white jade, there is the natural green jade, there is the imperial jade, the ink jade, which a lot of scrupulous sellers will tell you is the much-coveted black jade but is not the same as that of the black jade.
One point of concern is that it is quite difficult to distinguish a real jade from a fake jade, and also quite difficult to distinguish a low-grade jade to a high-grade jade unless you have developed the skill to see it. Some people will also say that aventurine is a jade, aventurine is aventurine and it is a not a jade. Chrysophrase and Dioptase are two other green stones that are very jade like but are more porous. A lot of sellers will tell you that these stones are high quality jade but if you have developed the eye for real jade, or if you got them and wear them you will soon notice that they are not real jade.
Jade actually only has two major varieties, and they are nephrite and jadeite. Of all the jade, other than the black jade, it's the Burmese imperial jade.
Those of you who live in China, Honking, Taiwan, Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, Vietnam, Cambodia, Nepal, Myanmar, etc. Knows that it is customary for Buddhists who have been blessed or who are asking for a favor from the Buddhas and Bodhisattvas to donate gold such as rings, necklaces, or even gold bars or gold coins. Recently, some of these, after being empowered, were again made available to the public by way of the SPECIAL GOLD PIYAO. However, it has to be noted that it is also EQUALLY customary to donate jade and/or other gemstones. But more often than not jade is offered because a lot of Buddhists considers jade to be a superior jade as compared to emerald, ruby, and even diamonds. It is only the best first-class jades that are donated to the temple.
These jades and other gemstones are also put at the foot of an image of a Buddha or Bodhisattva where they receive strong positive chi from the chanting of mantras, reciting of sutras, and pujas performed by Bhiksus, Bhiksunis and/or high lamas like Guru Lama. These jades are then included in the images of the Buddhas or Bodhisattvas. However, Guru Lama's temple has acquired so many of these jades, and people are still continuously donating high quality jade to the temple. So, Guru Lama thought of making these a FEW of these jades available to the public to help raise funds for food for novice monks, building temples, and for their charity work. By doing these the ones who will received these jades in exchange of stipulated amount for exchange of energies will also receive not just high-quality jade but also comes with the jade the energies from the pujas, chanting of mantras, and recitation of sutras.
These jades are going to be made available to the public so that they will be blessed. Some of these jades are gem quality and thus they will be made thru a ring with a mantra. It will come in different sizes so hopefully all those who are interested will find one that will fit them.
But more than that, there are 15 of almost century old jade ingot. You all know that an ingot is one of the most powerful symbol to welcome wealth, money or financial luck in Feng Shui. Made from either jade or gold it becomes more powerful. But if it comes from the temple who has been empowering it for almost a century it should be extremely magical. There are 15 of these holy jade ingots, but only 3 are being made available thru this blog. Having this holy jade ingot will definitely bring in a lot of wealth luck to a family or person where this ingot is. This is especially highly recommendable who have their own house and/or are moving to their own house/new house.
On top of that, there 3 holy jade teapots. These holy jade teapots are about half – a – century old, and one will be made available thru this blog. For those who are familiar with Feng Shui will know that a teapot is also a powerful wealth symbol and harmony symbol. Those who are running a business and wish to close a deal can put rock salt in the holy jade teapot for 7 days, then put water in it and pour the water onto your head on the day of business transaction. This is also a powerful house cleansing tool. The process of which will be shared with the person who is lucky enough to get this.
Of course, there a few more jades, some are rings, or gem quality that can be made into a ring or pendant. There are different images also like the Cicada, Piyao, Happy Buddha. Naturally all these are empowered thru the pujas, chanting of mantras and recitation of sutras performed by Bhiksus, Bhiksunis and other high lamas like Guru Lama.
These are all very old pieces, and you can actually see some signs of age to this holy pieces. I think it's really part of the charisma of these pieces. Imagine these pieces receiving all the energies from the pujas, mantras, and sutras for decades!!!!
The truth some of these jade have been made available to a small selected group of readers in the past. Either with exchange of energies of or as a gift.
But this time it will be made available to everybody.
However, please note that these are going to be on a first – come, first – served basis and are limited. Also, please note that not because you want it and has the means to send the monetary exchange of energies you will have it. Guru Lama will decide if you can have it base on your birthdate, this is especially true for the holy jade ingot and the holy jade teapot. For the others, Guru Lama will decide what you can have base on your birthdate or whether you'll be allowed to have them.
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A few days ago I ran across a youtube video of a brilliant pianist, Valentina Lisitsa, and my eye was caught by her very unique style of playing. Look at this lovely performance of Chopin's Nocturne in D Flat Major (Op. 27, No. 2), and pay close attention to her hands. It's the fluid motion of her hands that mesmerized me:
I've spent three days watching those hands.
Now watch this video of her performance of Grieg's 1st Concerto (in 3 parts on youtube):
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Part 2:
Part 3:
It was this superb performance that first attracted my attention. I've always liked Rubinstein's interpretation but it sounds lifeless compared to Lisitsa's. Watching her hands -- she makes it look effortless, though I was a little taken aback at first by the somewhat (I thought) theatrical style.
Then I noticed this fascinating comment by someone on the web page for the first movement:
"The secret of her success is that she is completely relaxing her muscles after each stroke. This technique comes from Liszt and she understood how to preserve her from muscular problems. In her repertory are the most physique pieces existing and she does them brilliant. This capacity of relaxing allows her to go on without problems (Horowitz could not...)"She has many dozens of videos up on youtube right now if you want to hear her play, and in just a few years she's acquired many fans from every country on Earth. Many of the videos are being produced right now as an explicit means to promote her career, but they are of very high quality, like that first one, and a real delight to watch.
After listening to the Grieg Concerto I had to know a little more, and I immediately found this charming interview:
Watching this, I was struck by how unpretentious she is, and by her repose--an utterly relaxed self-confidence and assurance that reminded me distinctly of interviews with Ayn Rand. She says,
"I think of myself as an American pianist",and
"My technique is unusual and I didn't learn it from anyone. In fact my teachers tried to fight me all the way ... I get so offended when people try to assign me to certain schools of play... no, no, no! And Russian school, definitely not!"These things are never accidents. A Ukrainian by birth, she was 3 years and some months old when she started learning to play. She's now a proud American citizen and resident of rural North Carolina where she lives with her husband. Combined with the romanticism in the music, the pieces all started falling into place for me.
Here's another thoroughly charming interview where she explicitly states something I figured out from a comment she made elsewhere, that she has a photographic memory--when she plays, she sees the sheet music in her mind, and even sees the pages turning! This partly explains how she learned 24 Chopin Etudes from scratch in about a month... But if you watch the interview, you'll get much more insight into who she is, what it was like to grow up in Russia, where classical music was like a competitive sport, what music school itself was like (she did everything the opposite of what her teachers taught her), and why she gave up a parallel ambition to play competitive chess-- she found herself looking for the most beautiful moves rather than the best moves!
In a brief biography on her web page, she lists Rachmaninoff and Chopin as among her favorite composers (an affection I strongly share), so let's return to that first video of Chopin's haunting nocturne and you will see some of the romanticism again. I noticed that she posted the following comment on youtube:
"I went through love-hate "relationship" with this Nocturne. When I was asked by Lanaudiere Fesitval to select 7 Nocturnes for the concert (I never played any before -- to my utter shame) I had to quickly flip through the sheet music and pick ones I thought I might stand :-) This one was number "last" on my list of things to do. I didn't start learning it until it was almost too late (those who watched my webcast of practice can confirm :-)). I dreaded the moment when I will get sick and tired of this sweetest thing ever written with its gorgeous but repetitious melody....
"Then I had my "eureka" moment. It happened when I started looking at Chopin's metronome markings -- in all other Nocturnes they were perfectly in sync with today's consensus -- maybe little faster here, slower there... But this one -- oh my God! Lento Sostenuto marked as 50 beats per minute in half-measure (150BPM in eights). You know how fast is it???? Check it out and see if you can keep up with Mr. Chopin LOL ..... I can't , I still play it waaaaaay under tempo. Let's see how many "critics" will leave comments saying it is too fast .....But , no matter what, it makes a perfect sense-- and suddenly my dread turned into astonishment at Chopin's genius. The whole piece is suddenly transformed from overly long sugary-syrupy chant to an exalted and impassioned speech- you make whatever you want of this speech, maybe it is a declaration of love? After all -- the piece ends with the most beautiful duet of two voices...."How many people use words like "exalted" and "impassioned", or phrases like "declaration of love"? I know one.
Now listen to one of my favorite Rachmaninoff preludes (G minor, Op.23 no.5), performed absolutely brilliantly in an off-the-cuff performance:
Then contrast with this encore performance (her third encore) of the same piece in Seoul (where she performed the Grieg Concerto):
Or listen to Chopin's nocturne in E Flat Major (Op.9 No.2), another favorite of mine to play:
When I was watching some of these, another thought struck me -- she's not really playing the piano.
She's making love to it.
Watch her entire body. I've never seen anything like that before. Watch her lips -- she speaks silently to the piano while playing some of these pieces, especially the tender ones.
And Chopin's beautiful "Berceuse" lullaby in D Flat Major (Op 57):
Here's a brilliant performance of one of my favorites -- Liszt's Hungarian Rhapsody no. 2. The speed of her hands in this defies my imagination.
Again, it was her hands that captivated me in all these pieces. I confess I've watched them over and over again. As I said, they're mesmerizing.
If you want a greater sense of her virtuousity (this is mainly for the pianists out there), watch and listen as she plays my favorite concerto of all--Rachmaninoff's 2nd... without the orchestra!
Part 2:
Part 3:
Wait till you get to the very end of the third movement! The hands are moving so fast they're a blur.
Here's another example of that, the third movement of Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata, which I've always enjoyed playing (it has a dramatic intrigue I like, and a flow when you play it that's very enjoyable):
Or the conflict presented in the first movement to Sonata Appassionata, another that I used to like to play (it's been a long time):
I can't fault anything about how she plays this. Not a note.
(Click here for parts 2 and 3.)
When I watch these videos (and all of them are best watched full screen -- they are beautifully produced high definition video!) my nose is rubbed into the fact that someone like Valentina Lisitsa is so far above a self-taught dilletante duffer like me that she might as well be in another galaxy on the other side of the universe. But it's a nose-rubbing I'll take any time and any place so long as I can see a glimpse of greatness through my hobbyist telescope -- I worship at the altar of ability.
There's much more on youtube, but as a follow-up to all this, here's another interesting 25 minute documentary (in three parts) of Valentina's recording of Rachmaninoff's 2nd with a full orchestra.
Part 1:
(Here is Part 2 and Part 3.)
The second part of this documentary connects to the version minus orchestra. The third part of the documentary offers some more of her criticism of the Russian music school (which she says Rachmaninoff didn't follow!) and a few outtakes at the end (the last is funny).
You may note that the musicians in this documentary are rather in awe of her ability.
In my opinion, she may be one of the finest pianists of the last century--but she's in our time, and watching her play, the full scope of the human potential just amazes me. Imagine if everyone in every field fulfilled their potential to this degree. We'd live among giants in Atlantis.
Footnote: the day after posting this, I was listening again to her delightful performance of Rachmaninoff's "Moments Musicaux," Op 16 #2 E flat minor, and noticed this interesting comment on her approach to recording in one take:
Here is a tiny bit of Rachmaninoff -- his #2 of Moments Musicaux (I am going to perform a complete set in Montreal for Pro Musica this March 7th by the way).
No fancy camera work here -- just one (first note to the last) take from the real recording session. Just one of many takes, not necessarily the one that will end up on Rachmaninoff solo works CD (with First Sonata and miscellany of Preludes etc).
See, nowadays recording process is about basically making sure that every note is played, at least once. It can easily lead to making hundreds or even thousands of little "takes." If one person is apt to make a mistake here and there -- multiply it by orchestra members -- and you arrive into 1000+ takes. Everybody who tried to take a photo of a group with iPhone can relate to it. How many times have you have to take a picture to NOT get somebody with eyes shut or mouth open :-)
The difference between a live performance and a recording is just as vast as the difference between watching a play in a theater and a movie. All of it of course thanks to modern recording and editing equipment (in movies just as in music). It used to be different and great musicians of old times would come to studio, play just as they would for the audience (the only difference being, they could do another try if things didn't quite work on the first take) and go away with a magnificent recording. We can complain all we want about old recordings as being sloppy and full of wrong notes, messed passagework. We just have to remember that those are honest, unadulterated, unaided performances and I challenge any modern pianist who dares to laugh about old-timers to try to match the recordings of golden era without faking it with editing. We are all good singers in a shower - but if you face a set of microphones staring at you from a complete silence, and then the little light goes off -- and you are about to face your posterity without a safety net of "oh, we will clean it up later"-- and every little note that you miss, and every phrase that you don't play beautifully is going to live forever as your damnation--it can unnerve the strongest and most confident. Being a musician is fun!!!!!And then after posting that footnote, I was listening to her excellent performance of Chopin's Fantasy in F minor (Op. 49), and saw an even more fascinating extended comment she made:
This is Chopin's response to Liszt's "Funerailles" (I know, I know, Liszt wrote it AFTER Chopin died -- so let's say it was Liszt's response to Chopin's Fantasy.) The same plan -- starting with a funeral introduction , same f -minor, same abundance of octaves... But Funerailles is a great piano war-horse, favorite of any "virtuoso" with a decent octave technique -- sure and cheap way to impress and thrill the audiences. Fantasy in comparison is a poor cousin, underappreciated and often misunderstood: the worst offenders are often female pianists (LOL, huuuuuge grin goes here) playing it in overly sentimental and romanticized way - complete with hands flailing, eyes rolling and hair flying :-) Guys just can't do it :-)
How did it happen? Liszt was a great self-promotion and marketing guy -- he discovered a neat trick of "programming" in music, forcing music "to tell a story"- and listeners suddenly thought, "Gee, now we understand what this music is about, how cool!" This was his trademark -- but it was certainly not his invention. In fact, most if not all music has a "program", something composer thought of when composing and something we think of when we listen. It can be something very concrete and extremely detailed (Berlioz Symphonie Fantastique for example) -- or just a vague hint of an idea that makes us think further (Beethoven 5th Symphony).
The problem with detailed programs is that music can become "dated", tied to a certain event that might be of no importance to future listeners. People can relate in perpetuity to "the fate knocking on the door" of the 5th symphony. But we can never again (hopefully) feel what French audience must have felt on Berlioz' premiere during the third movement with its guillotine strike. I bet their hair was standing up and Goosebumps were covering the listeners who still remembered Terror some years before... I think that even watching Avatar in 3D is nothing in comparison to that experience :-)
Chopin was much more subtle in his "programs" -- he catered to more sophisticated smaller audience of salons rather than big concert halls. These people knew the historical context and could understand him without need to spell it out. In order to fully appreciate his music we must know at least a bit of history too. Then it becomes clear that Chopin was so different from a stereotyped effeminate, sickly romantic virtuoso image. He was a true titan, not in body but in spirit -- singlehandedly (with few brethren poets, artists etc) keeping the whole people from oblivion and cultural destruction. For his people, his country, was at this time a mere geographic term. Formerly a proud and powerful nation, one of Europe superpowers, Poland has fallen so low because of internal discord that it was picked piece by piece by strong and brutal neighbors until it disappeared. New "owners" were bent on wiping national identity and pride to secure their new acquisitions. They would have succeeded was it not for Chopin.
You know that musicologists call him a first" national" composer. For a good reason -- he created an epic of his nation in music just as Homer created his in Odyssey or Virgil in Aeneid... And we are not only talking about things like Polonaises or Mazurkas fitting into this "national" category. Fantasy is a prime example of thinly veiled national music. Why? Bear with me while I take you through last foray into history. Chopin and his family ended up in a part of Poland that was grabbed by Russian Empire. He traveled abroad with Russian passport (Chopin, a Russian composer? LOL) and he had to lie on his exit visa application (yes, I am serious) that he is in transit to New World, Americas. He lived for almost whole his life with a stamp "in Transit".
The single event in history that changed his life was Polish uprising of 1830-31, a noble but doomed to fail attempt by patriots to overthrow occupying forces. (Revolutionary Etude was written the night he got the news of Russian Cossacks entering Warsaw, he didn't know if his family even survived all carnage and rape.) The rebels was brutally destroyed and all the hope of freedom was lost. Chopin realized that he will never see his native land -- or even his family. All his life he was carrying in his soul -- and in his music -- the memory of this event and of its unsung heroes. Fantasy is an ode to all those who lost their lives in the fight for freedom.I find these comments the most interesting -- they give the artist and her music much more depth, and meaning to me.
Footnote 2: Another interesting comment is attached to this lovely nocturne in C minor by Chopin (Op. 48, No. 1):
One of Chopin's most priceless performance remarks is at the beginning of this Nocturne -- "sotto voce". Just like that: not a girlish "piano", not an ambivalent "mezzo forte", not even meaty forte (the last thing you want here is an "opera" voice for this melody). It effectively bars all over-the-top cheap and showy "expressive emotions" -- no eye rolling allowed, no hair flailing, no hands flying, no sobs, no visible tears.... A musical equivalent of the famed British "keeping a stiff upper lip"-- this "sotto voce" gives us the right sense of what this piece is about. Just as Chopin's 2nd sonata, this nocturne deals directly and openly with such tragic subjects as death, loss and grief ... except, here you are allowed to leave personal comments. 2nd sonata is a depiction of all those things, this Nocturne is a commentary -- or an epitaph..... the fifth movement that would come after the Finale ...If you ever visit La Madeleine in Paris (Chopin's parish church where his funeral was held on October 30th) think about this Nocturne, OK?
PS: Talking about parallels between Rachmaninoff and Chopin works, don't you think that "doppio movimento" part ( last pages) sounds ominously like Rachmaninoff Etude-Tableau E flat Minor Op39?One other thing I like in these commentaries is that the music is not something that exists just in isolation like an abstraction divorced from concretes, but it has a history and a meaning to her that goes so far as visiting these places. And in that I can find my own expanded meaning.
And connecting to this, by fortuitous coincidence, is the interview that just came out yesterday:
Footnote 3: I might as well add this fascinating comment she made about Chopin's C Sharp minor Nocturne (op 27, #1) that I actually discovered before adding the last two:
This is an enigma of a nocturne. There are many things written about it , all trying to explain it away, to make sense of it. You probably heard about " death in Venice, murder perhaps.. ....body silently covered by soft waves while the moon keeps shining etc ".....Ah, all this romantic stuff -- I will add just my two cents worth, no more ...
If nocturnes are indeed songs of love, this one has strong undertones of jealousy, betrayal and, ultimately, death.
It hauntingly fascinating -- but you can't call it beautiful. Just think about the melody here -- where is it??? And can you call this strange and gratingly chromatic chant a melody? Or .... another question, which key IS it -- C sharp minor or major? Is it a half-smile or half-cry? ...The melody very soon becomes a duet -- and then middle part comes all of a sudden as a violent burst of energy and action. I don't recall any other piece of Chopin (supposedly effeminate and weakling invalid of a composer) where he would use triple forte- fortissimo so boldly (that is like FFF forte!) The octave recitative in the left hand before the recap sounds like a curse. The most telling and poignant remark however is reserved for the very last "words" of the duet before the coda: Chopin writes "con duolo" (with grief) - the last farewell of unhappy lovers perhaps...
PS: For those visual people (like myself LOL) here is a perfect visual match: type pre-Raphaelites into Google image search -- you will see "Ophelia" and many others that fit the mood and color of the piece perfectly.
PSPS: On understanding composer's intent: Chopin often uses remark "con anima". Don't mix it with "animato" . Yes, the root is the same but the meaning and action is opposite. It was made very clear in this nocturne -- in the middle part there are measures marked "con anima" and then come the ones marked "stretto"."Con anima" bars are slowing down. He treated con anima literally -- "with soul" -- not "in an animated way". Russian language has a better direct translation "душевно"!I had looked up "pre-Raphaelite" paintings in Google after first reading this, and her description was perfect, but about two days after reading it, I woke up late after working till 4AM, and one sip of microwaved two-day old coffee later, I suddenly realized I hadn't a clue what the term "pre-Raphaelite" meant. So I searched again, and came up with this interesting explanation off of Wiki:
The Pre-Raphaelite Brotherhood (also known as the Pre-Raphaelites) was a group of English painters, poets, and critics, founded in 1848 by William Holman Hunt, John Everett Millais and Dante Gabriel Rossetti. The three founders were soon joined by William Michael Rossetti, James Collinson, Frederic George Stephens and Thomas Woolner to form a seven-member "brotherhood".
The group's intention was to reform art by rejecting what they considered to be the mechanistic approach first adopted by the Mannerist artists who succeeded Raphael and Michelangelo. They believed that the Classical poses and elegant compositions of Raphael in particular had been a corrupting influence on the academic teaching of art. Hence the name: Pre-Raphaelite. In particular, they objected to the influence of Sir Joshua Reynolds, the founder of the English Royal Academy of Arts, whom they called "Sir Sloshua".
To the Pre-Raphaelites, according to William Michael Rossetti, "sloshy" meant "anything lax or scamped in the process of painting ... and hence ... any thing or person of a commonplace or conventional kind". In contrast, they wanted to return to the abundant detail, intense colours, and complex compositions of Quattrocento Italian and Flemish art.
The Pre-Raphaelites have been considered the first avant-garde movement in art, though they have also been denied that status[citation needed], because they continued to accept both the concepts of history painting and of mimesis, or imitation of nature, as central to the purpose of art. However, the Pre-Raphaelites undoubtedly defined themselves as a reform-movement, created a distinct name for their form of art, and published a periodical, The Germ, to promote their ideas. Their debates were recorded in the Pre-Raphaelite Journal.
The Pre-Raphaelite Brotherhood was founded in John Millais's parents' house on Gower Street, London in 1848. ... They kept the existence of the Brotherhood secret from members of the Royal Academy.
The Brotherhood's early doctrines were expressed in four declarations:
1. to have genuine ideas to express;These principles are deliberately non-dogmatic, since the Brotherhood wished to emphasise the personal responsibility of individual artists to determine their own ideas and methods of depiction. Influenced by Romanticism, they thought that freedom and responsibility were inseparable.
2. to study Nature attentively, so as to know how to express them;
3. to sympathise with what is direct and serious and heartfelt in previous art, to the exclusion of what is conventional and self-parodying and learned by rote;
4. most indispensable of all, to produce thoroughly good pictures and statues.
Nevertheless, they were particularly fascinated by medieval culture, believing it to possess a spiritual and creative integrity that had been lost in later eras. This emphasis on medieval culture was to clash with certain principles of realism, which stress the independent observation of nature.
In its early stages, the Pre-Raphaelite Brotherhood believed that their two interests were consistent with one another, but in later years the movement divided and began to move in two directions. The realist-side was led by Hunt and Millais, while the medievalist-side was led by Rossetti and his followers, Edward Burne-Jones and William Morris. This split was never absolute, since both factions believed that art was essentially spiritual in character, opposing their idealism to the materialist realism associated with Courbet and Impressionism.
In their attempts to revive the brilliance of colour found in Quattrocento art, Hunt and Millais developed a technique of painting in thin glazes of pigment over a wet white ground. They hoped that in this way their colours would retain jewel-like transparency and clarity. This emphasis on brilliance of colour was in reaction to the excessive use of bitumen by earlier British artists, such as Reynolds, David Wilkie and Benjamin Robert Haydon. Bitumen produces unstable areas of muddy darkness, an effect that the Pre-Raphaelites despised.
...all members of the Brotherhood signed works with their name and the initials "PRB". Between January and April 1850, the group published a literary magazine, "The Germ". ...
In 1850 the Pre-Raphaelite Brotherhood became controversial after the exhibition of Millais's painting Christ In The House Of His Parents, considered to be blasphemous by many reviewers, notably Charles Dickens.[3] ...Their medievalism was attacked as backward-looking and their extreme devotion to detail was condemned as ugly and jarring to the eye. According to Dickens, Millais made the Holy Family look like alcoholics and slum-dwellers, adopting contorted and absurd "medieval" poses.
...The movement influenced the work of many later British artists well into the twentieth century... some claim, strongly influenced the young J.R.R. Tolkien...
In the twentieth century artistic ideals changed and art moved away from representing reality. Since the Pre-Raphaelites were fixed on portraying things with near-photographic precision, though with a distinctive attention to detailed surface-patterns, their work was devalued by many painters and critics. In particular, after the First World War, British Modernists associated Pre-Raphaelite art with the repressive and backward times in which they grew up...Now that was interesting, and again, it lends even more insight into the musician, and her own work.
Footnote 4 (August 6):
This next video caught my eye for one reason: it shows better than almost any other how hard Lisitsa concentrates. Note especially how much she has her eyes closed--as I noted previously, she has a photographic memory and reads the music while playing, but in her head. And it shows more of how she speaks to herself while playing, and her very fluid technique, a method of relaxation and precision.
As I also noted, she normally practices 12 hours a day--because that's what she enjoys doing, to the exclusion of almost everything else. You can see it via her website -- she's put up videos of entire practice sessions, and I recommend them for anyone looking for insights into how someone becomes great at what they do. I think too many people simply have no idea--they imagine it's a little more work over the average person, a little more innate talent.
I mention all this because a topic of longtime interest to me is -- what makes greatness? I observe at least three essentials: total passion for one thing; extremely focused, consistent and precise effort to grasp what they are doing and how they do it; and an utterly dedicated work regimen.
I'm tempted to add: unusual intelligence and some unique ability that most people don't have (like photographic memory), but I'm not sure these are essential. Given the first three and a very good natural endowment of intelligence, I think the "unusual" part develops in time, especially if someone starts early enough in life. (Lisitsa started at age 3.) Some "natural" ability will help initially energize the passion, then the passion will drive the ability, and passion and ability together will drive the dedication, and all three will feed on each other.
Exceptional instruction is important, but I think a fourth possible essential factor is that the great person usually has some very early insight into the key principles of what they do so well that quickly puts them beyond the need for much instruction. This gives them a big jump in their starting point, and early confidence and enjoyment.
Footnote 5 (10/19/2011):
I just have to add one more comment. This develops the psychology of greatness somewhat more. Early in this post I echoed the comment of another fan of Valentina's, who remarked that her hand technique was a form of relaxation--anyone who's played the piano knows that difficult pieces can cause cramping in your arms or hands if you don't do some kind of relaxation while you play. But I was never fully satisfied with this explanation. She was using the technique on easy pieces, too.
Then I had a flash of insight the other day. Two comments she made starting resonating in my head. First, was her anecdote about giving up a potential career in chess because she found herself looking for the most beautiful moves rather than the best moves. Second, was her comment that she is a very visual person--code, in part, for the fact that she has a photographic memory (which I'm terribly jealous of), but the meaning is deeper--she's a very visual person. Because of her photographic memory or not, she's a very visual person.
Put those two pieces together in the context of a technique that she herself acknowledges is very unusual, which her teachers couldn't break her of -- and you get: a visually beautiful technique. That is, I think she strives to bring beauty to more than the sounds -- she strives to bring beauty to the fluid movement of her hands while she plays. I don't mean this in terms of any kind of theatricality for the audience, which had been my first unfair impression. I mean she strives to play beautifully. Sound and sight. Not primarily for her audience. I think she does it primarily for--herself. As I remarked, she makes love to the piano.


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I notice that Templates for a Calendar system have been created and I think this is a good idea, I just have a few comments on how it is implemented.
First, I think this is a sufficiently large enough project to use its own namespace instead of "Template". It would be better to create a new "Calendar" namespace. They still can be included like a template by {{:Calendar:19 February}}.
The "month" pages would be in the form "Calender:January", and the Today page would be "Calendar:Today".
Also, Kobi gave me an idea for DYKBot's next project to synchronise all the birth/death data for staff and performers around MA. This could also generate the Calendar pages. DYKBot would also add the episode airdates.
Other things that need discussion are the format of the pages, and what will be included on them. --Bp 14:34, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
I notice that there is already format discussion at Template talk:Calendar. --Bp 14:40, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
- The current form of the pages created by Sulfur (thanks to his effort though) is also not suited for inclusion in the main page as I see it. The Swedish wiki does go the same way, but both MA/de and /es have some sort of standardised template: de:Vorlage:23. Juni es:Plantilla:Efemérides 0623 of which I (no wonder) prefer the German version, because it is simple enough to be included into the main page and then form the individual entries on de:Memory Alpha:Kalender/Juni -- Kobi 14:41, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
- I quite like the german layout. For the ones I did up, I was using the layout used on the Early production history page, but it is quite easy to change too. The prime reason I was doing them up was so that we didn't end up having 5 "Template:Calendar/Some Date" links in the wanted pages, since most of them had more links than any other article. There's still one or two in the top links list, so we should decide/figure out what to do sooner rather than later. -- Sulfur 15:00, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
I should be more clear about my argument for creating a "Calendar:" namespace. There will be at least 379 pages with "Template:Calendar/" in the front (366 days, 12 months, Today, plus any years that we put in), this is exactly the kind of thing that deserves a namespace. Secondly, Template: namespace is for maintenence or utility, not to be linked to like an article. The episodes now all link into the template namespace. Also, there is a guideline somewhere (Although, I can't seem to find it) that subpages made with "/" to make a kindof hacked folder structure should no be used in wikis.
Also, Early production history and any other lists of real world dates should become obsolete after the Calendar system is implemented. The Calendar namespace will hold all this information. All dates in the main namespace should be in-universe. --Bp 15:52, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
- I had a reply written earlier, but somehow, it didn't survive long enough to be posted. So, please excuse the list style of this second try...
- Own namespace: I disagree. Being "not in-universe" or "having more than X hundred pages" are not reasons for a separate namespace - otherwise, we would have created "Actor:" or "Episode:" a long time ago, thereby violating one of the wiki key features, which is easy linking. Name=Link, whenever possible. However...
- Template namespace: ...these are not first and foremost articles to be linked to, but templates to collect data for one day each. This means, they should stay in template namespace.
- Current links to these templates: Some links to these pages exist, this is true - which is why I started a list of pages where I put links to these templates myself (on Template talk:Calendar), and also tried to make everyone who started to use them as well (currently just Renegade, I think) aware of that fact.
- Future links: In the future, and if it makes sense to link to individual days, we could create "days articles" in main namespace, that could just include the template of that day. It makes sense to keep the content separate in a template, because it might be used in different contexts, for example on the main page (the idea that started all this).
- Formatting: For this to work, the template pages itself should use a coherent and very simple formatting that could then be changed depending on context, for example by defining different css classes. For that, I suggest to make the lists themselves simple "bullet point" lists (HTML: UL) with each year "heading" using ("*") and individual entries using ("**"). No Wiki headers, and as few other formatting as possible.
- Template titles: Discussion about this has been open on Template talk:Calendar for a long time now. Do we really have to change this now, and if so, why? Especially, why is this system "not suited for inclusion"?
- Last but not least: And in addition to the calendar namespace suggestion. The calendar pages itself were, until now, never intended to make any other listing "by year" obsolete, and I'm still sure that it really can't. You either have a page showing all events of one year, or events on a specific day in different years, but most probably not both at the same time... :)
- ...anything I forgot? -- Cid Highwind 21:59, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
- I had a reply written earlier, but somehow, it didn't survive long enough to be posted. So, please excuse the list style of this second try...
- The only way I can see making a year page obsolete would be to somehow include all the day pages in a year page... or better yet, include the day pages in a month page, and then include the month pages in a year page. Or something like that... heh. -- Renegade54 22:11, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
- Which would only work if we had one template per day per year(!) - about as many templates as we have articles now, and that's just counting Trek's "active" days since the mid-60s. I don't even want to further think about that wasteful nightmare... ;) -- Cid Highwind 22:20, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
This is different from Actor pages in that actor pages don't have Actor/ in front of every one. All of these pages will have Template:Calendar/ in front. About making the pages like Early production history obsolete, I think that was a bad choice of words. I mean the data would be moved into the calendar namespace. The namespace can contain year articles as well as the days and months that would be implemented with the Template:Calendar/ system. Years left in the main namespace would remain in-universe, like 1996, but Calendar:1996 would be the real world timeline.
Secondly, these are not templates. They are lists of events of a certain day. Just like the year and month articles. That they can be included on pages like the main page and month pages doesn't change that. They should not be in the template: namespace just because they will be "included" (the operation) on the main page and month pages. --Bp 22:22, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
- I already adressed the first issue (see: "Future links"), but tell me - what, if not the fact that it consists of data that can and that is included on several other pages under different circumstances ("reuse"), does define a "template"? Of course a list of events can be a template, just like we have a template containing a table of all episodes of TNG season 1... -- Cid Highwind 22:37, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Because they are articles that can be included, not templates that can be articles. The day articles will be more like Star Trek birthdays than Template:Enterprise conn officers. --Bp 23:07, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
- Then we're talking about different things. These templates were initially intended to be "unformatted lists" that can be included in a variety of circumstances, including but not restricted to, a box on the main page. They were not intended to be full-blown articles. As a "day article", it would need at least a browser to get from day to day, perhaps an introductory paragraph, and so on. All things which would make it impossible to use the page in a small box on the main page where no browser is wanted, no additional text, ... I think you get the drift?
- So, as I already said above - the best solution to have "day articles" while keeping the functionality that these templates are supposed to have would be to start creating articles in whatever fashion you like, and then include the template of each day on that page. -- Cid Highwind 08:25, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
As a template, each day will be included in 1 page, the month. One day a year, it will be included on "Today" and the main page. So total, inclusion on 3 pages. As an article it will be directly linked in over 700 pages. It is not a template, it is an article that can be included. As an article, it can still follow the list format and use <noinclude> to leave out the parts that will not be included on the 3 pages that will include it. It seems stupid to me to link to "Template:Calendar/XXX" for every date in the hundreds of pages that will link. Templates are not supposed to be used this way, and article names are not supposed to be used this way (with a /). Also, if we link the actors/staff births/deaths, like I propose, there will be even more. --Bp 11:32, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
- One worry I have is the maintenance of birthdates and deathdates. As it stands, I keep coming across performer articles that have a birth and death day, but no links to the births and deaths lists, and no mention in either of those of the performer. Ditto for the yearly production/early history lists. -- Sulfur 11:38, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
- (Re:Template vs. Article) Oh boy... Maybe I was too vague when I explained it on this page, first, or when I referred to that explanation when the question came up the second and third time. I think I even explained my rationale for adding the template link to the episode sidebar (as an "article link", temporarily) to someone either on one of the talk pages, or on IRC. Wasn't that you as well? Anyway, again:
- No, the template pages are not supposed to be linked to directly.
- Yes, it is done at the moment.
- For that, we have a short list over at Template talk:Calendar, so that we can sort that out later.
- If you think that an article page for a day is necessary, feel free to create one and perhaps include the templated event list for that day. I suggest [[DD MONTH]], that is, the same nomenclature as what has been agreed to for the templates.
- No, I don't think merging all on one "article" page that is also used as a template, only viable by making extensive use of noinclude or includeonly, is a good idea, if "1 template + 1 article" seems to be a so much cleaner approach.
- I really don't understand your way of counting possible inclusions. Why should a list of events happening on a specific day in various years ever be included on some "month page"? What purpose would this humonguous page have?
- -- Cid Highwind 12:02, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
- (Re:Template vs. Article) Oh boy... Maybe I was too vague when I explained it on this page, first, or when I referred to that explanation when the question came up the second and third time. I think I even explained my rationale for adding the template link to the episode sidebar (as an "article link", temporarily) to someone either on one of the talk pages, or on IRC. Wasn't that you as well? Anyway, again:
The 700 pages I mentioned are the episode pages that are already linked directly to "Template:Calendar/XXX" throught the episode sidebar template. Linked as an article. There is no "extensive use" of <noinclude>, it will be only used once in each day article to stop the header of the page from being included. I dont know what you mean about #3, since I am not questioning the month-day naming order. I have made an example below. Each day has all the events that happened on that day. By inclusion, each month has all the events that happened in that month. Month-year (June 1965) pages will be like the current month year pages in the main namespace, only moved out of the main namespace.
Still each day article will be included as a template 3 times maximum, but it is directly linked over 700 times already. And adding the proposed links to actors/staff will make it several hundred more. 3 as template, 700+ as article, should not be a template.
- Day page "Calendar:January 1"
<noinclude> Events that occur on '''January 1'''. [[December 31]] [[January|January]] [[January 2]] </noinclude> ;1967 :Joe Shmoe was born ;1997 :An episode airs :Some event happened :Some other event in 97 :A birth ;1998 :Yet another event :A death
- Month pages "Calendar:January"
Events of '''January'''. ==January 1== {{:Calendar:January 1}} ==January 2== {{:Calendar:January 2}} ==January 3== {{:Calendar:January 3}} etc...
- "Calendar:Today"
{{:Calendar:{{CURRENTMONTH}} {{CURRENTDAY}}}}
- Main Page
{{:Calendar:{{CURRENTMONTH}} {{CURRENTDAY}}}}
- In the sidebar episode template
[[Calendar:{{{AirdateMonth}}} {{{AirdateYear}}}]]
- In actor/staff pages
Joe Shmoe (born [[Calendar:January 1|January 1]] [[Calendar:January 1967|1967]]) was an actor who...
Do you see how linking Template:Calendar/January 1 is a bad idea in the actor/staff pages? And we should not need to create duplicate day pages in the main namespace when one page per day will work fine for both. --Bp 12:58, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
- We're still not getting to any point, I fear, because any time I explain solutions to the problems you see, you just keep repeating the problems as if I don't understand them. I, too, can say again:
- If links to templates are what disturbs you (and you are correct in that regard), it would be a matter of seconds to change, for example, the link in the episode sidebar template and thereby all 700 links you're talking about. Result: Instant links to [[DD MONTH]] article pages, and no remaining links to templates. This is not a big problem for the future, and (also mentioned once or twice already) at the moment only done temporarily to have something to link to so that we can fill our template pages simply by looking at the "What links here" page.
- Also, regarding the "one page for all" solution - once we start creating articles (without terribly restricting editing and without telling everyone that these articles need to stay in some very simple and restricted design), we will end up with articles that someone, sooner or later, will want to edit to make them a little nicer looking, or something. If it is something that needs to look a soecific way because it's used as a template somewhere, why not put it in template namespace and be done with it? -- Cid Highwind 13:41, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
- Last but not least, I'm not sure if you get the fact that these "day templates/articles/whatever" collect data from several years. Combining them to a month will not suddenly make them behave like June 2006, unless we're starting with individual day pages like 24 June 2006... -- Cid Highwind 13:46, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
- Calendar:June 2006 and Calendar:June would only be in the same namespace, with all of the dates in Calendar:June (by inclusion of its days) that happened in 2006, also being on Calendar:June 2006, generated with the help of a bot. But I dont care, If you want to make 366 templates, and then created 366 day articles that include 1 of those 366 templates, when 1 article for each day would do the job by itself, thats fine. Do it that way. I was just thinking it would be nice to create a streamlined system to link all real-universe dates together in a consistent way. But, I don't want to argue anymore. --Bp 15:03, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
Just as an aside, one benefit that I can see in having the calendar stuff in it's own namespace (and not in the Template namespace) is that as it stands right now, I can (and do) look at all the templates in the NS and pick out the one I'm looking for. If we add a bunch of Calendar/xxxx pages to the Template NS, it'll put a big chunk of those names right in the middle of the other "normal" templates. And also, the issue about ease of linking (by keeping articles in the main NS) is irrelevant because whether the calendar entries are in Template or Calendar, they're still not in the main space and the linkage mechanism is the same in either case. Note that I'm not arguing one way or the other, just bringing up things that popped into my head. :) -- Renegade54 15:34, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
- Yeah, it makes no sense to either type Template:Calendar/ or Calendar: in both ways we have to use a piped link -- for me that is no problem. Regarding the "problem" of looking up a specific date by just restricting myself to the calendar pages, I'm in the believe that all calendar templates would go into an own category. (This is not done in MA/de yet, because when we created it there was no noinclude macro.) -- Kobi 17:37, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
- Well, too bad discussions tend to end that way sometimes... Regarding "Template:" vs. "Calendar:" vs. main namespace, I'd still prefer an article title without any prefix if it is one that is used in links from other articles. On the other hand, I'd still prefer a template page for something that is used in a "template way" (here, that is the actual event list). Something like including an article might work, but only if it is absolutely clear from the beginning, that the end result of that include action has to look like the simple definition list defined below. If it is really better to have just one article, but that one filled with noinclude instructions and perhaps even some warning disclaimer to "only edit if you know what you're doing" than to have one template plus one article including that template and then doing whatever is necessary above and below that template, I don't know... -- Cid Highwind 12:57, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm splitting the "format" discussion from the rest above... As said above, the less formatting in the template, the better in this case. What I had in mind, and described above as "unordered list with two levels of indentation" is what can be seen here: Template:Calendar/20 November.
First level for the years, second level of indentation for events in that year. This format could be adopted for any possible use, depending on where the template is included. -- Cid Highwind 09:27, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
- To the right I have modified Cid's bullet proposal a bit, because I think that many bullets are disturbing to see. I used the ; and : to make the year bold automatically yet enable indenting for the individual entries. Of course a mixture could be used with only having bullets for the entries but bold for the year to distinguish individual entries (see line break in 1989). -- Kobi 09:35, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
Looks better, of course. All I need is a way to address both the year "headings" and the entries themselves with a CSS rule, so the consistent use of a definition list is fine as well. "1995", as presented here, basically is a definition list with a term to be defined ("1995"), but without an actual definition. Instead, an unrelated bullet point list starts at that point. I'd like to avoid such constructs... I'm also just testing: Is the second line indented with a colon still part of that definition list?
Answer: Works great :) -- Cid Highwind 11:00, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
I updated the above template to use the format discussed here... -- Cid Highwind 12:45, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
moved to Template talk:Datelink
Date Pages
Now that we have lots of these starting to be linked to and thus filling the most wanted pages, How are we going to fill them up, and with what format? I doodled up a couple to try some things out (and nothing has to stay firm by any stretch here!). I tried one with a "day browser" at the bottom (it's hardcoded, but would obviously be a template of some sort in the end) at 13 May, and one without at 29 April. The format currently more or less matches the template one discussed above, but some text at the top of the page might be worthwhile, or possibly moving all of the information currently in there into the template version to be included so that the day page is built out of 2-3 templates (ie, realworld, the information, and the browser). Thoughts at these first cracks? -- Sulfur 14:47, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
- I threw together 30 October using an actual date template and a monthly calendar on the side for navigation, which needs styling. Sulfur's browser is there too. 9er 15:21, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
A couple of things come up on that page:
What about Births and Deaths? How will they fit into that template.
There are three births (and no deaths) on that date (known that is):
- 1926
- William Campbell
- 1934
- Hamilton Camp
- 1940
- Ed Lauter
Would those go into the Template:30 October page under your method?
Also, with those month layouts, are you just using the 2006 calendar for them? What happens next year? Might it be a better idea to leave off the SMTWTFS markers at the top so as to make it more generic? -- Sulfur 15:24, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
- Was doing the births as you typed. On days of the week, "oh yeah". (I had that calendar already made up for another purpose and forgot to strip of the days.) The calendar is generic. Will fix. 9er 15:28, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
I like that layout quite a bit now. All we need to do is template the date browser, and we're good to go with lots of templatey goodness. Heheh. -- Sulfur 15:31, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
And as a followup, I notice that we now have a Template:30 October and a Template:Calendar/30 October template. Both pretty close to identical. The Calendar/ version has the years linked, otherwise they're fairly similar. -- Sulfur 15:34, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
- Well, from the discussions above, whatever the format of the actual page is, somewhere has to be "just a list" of events, using the defined format. It has been my observation that, if a specific format has to be kept intact, it is much easier to move/"save" that part to a different page instead of keeping it in the middle of something else and hoping that no one else bothers to change the page. So, I'm still a fan of an article page + a template page for the content list. The browser and the box for each month are good additions IMO... -- Cid Highwind 15:42, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
- Pretty cool, Sulfur. If there's consensus on the date page format, can someone who's able to do these things create a script that will create the date page for all 366 days? This will get rid of all the wanted pages for dates. The form seems to be:
{{realworld}} {{May}} {{13 May}} {{Date nav|13|05}}
- 9er 16:40, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. :) I do like the current format. I do think that we need to make some final decisions on the template format though. Specifically, do we want them as simply the date, or should we precede them with the 'Calendar' designation, as several of those already exist?
Secondly, should we have the years linked in the template? I like the idea of having them linked, but if the consensus is not to do so, I'm happy to go along with that.
I do like the agreed upon format though:
- 1996
- Bubba Smith is born.
- Fred Smith dies.
- DS9: "Past Prologue" airs.
etc. I do think that they should all have a period at the end of each sentence. In a couple of cases, there are script submissions listed also for TOS episodes (21 October and 13 May I believe). The logic there is... why not really. :) -- Sulfur 16:49, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
- Linking years: absolutely.
- On having the day template name preceded by "Calendar/": slightly against. Does it add anything?
- On periods: slightly against. They're a tad distracting, and they're not needed as a clue that a new sentence is about to begin- their normal function.
- On style: I like the subject verb form, and using it throughout adds to readability- as opposed to "Episode" airs mixing up with Birth of Person. Also, if the subject is always linked, and it should be, it looks better on the page since the blue link will always come before the white unlinked text. Compare Template:Calendar/30 October with Template:30 October.
- On events to be included: Yes, I think anytime we have a real world date, it should be added to the date's template: births, deaths, marriages, divorces, eps airing, movies/dvds released, and any other arcane trivia.
- 9er 17:21, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Style. I agree with you, except on the period thing. These are sentences, thus should be completed properly. In terms of the template name, either way, we're adding almost 400 templates here, and it was mostly as to where it would sort, and if the "Calendar/" leader should be used to put them all together or not. I really don't mind either way. Just something to think about (more than anything). Mining the yearly productions for data should be rather entertaining, especially since most every date can (and should?) be linked to the calendar pages now. -- Sulfur 17:34, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
- Stylepoints
- Is past tense indicated? -- Captain M.K.B. 18:07, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
- On the issue of the day pages, why so many templates? Why not again a template that requires day and month and then inserts the given information like this:
{{realworld}} {{{{{month}}}}} {{{{{day}}} {{{month}}}}} {{Date nav|{{{day}}}|{{{month}}}}} [[Category:Memory Alpha calendar]]
- This would really standardise the day pages by only inserting {{calendar|26|June}} and additional interwikis of course. Right? -- Kobi 18:41, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
The one problem I see is that I couldn't figure out how to get the Date Nav thing working easily with named months. Although, with a couple more hours of thought, I think I know a fairly simple way of doing that. One thing I don't understand though, and maybe it's just because my brain's to the point of fried already today... are you suggesting another template that would incorporate everything you've listed there, and then the "day page" would be simply a template, and that's it?
One other thing I might suggest would be to change the Category slightly to:
[[Category:Memory Alpha calendar|{{{month}}} {{{day}}}]]
As that should (in theory) sort things into order by month, and then by day.
In terms of past tense CaptainMike, did you mean phrasing such as "Wilbur Smith was born." rather than "Wilbur Smith is born."? If so, I bow to the consensus on that one, whatever it may be. -- Sulfur 19:09, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
- Re:tense - In this case, I'd say present tense. Each piece of information is delivered in the context of the day it happened, so I guess past tense isn't necessary...? -- Cid Highwind 20:10, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
- I agree with Sulfur, and therefore with Cid -- this is so minor i'll lean whichever way the wind blows on this point. -- Captain M.K.B. 23:02, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
- Re:tense - In this case, I'd say present tense. Each piece of information is delivered in the context of the day it happened, so I guess past tense isn't necessary...? -- Cid Highwind 20:10, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Further followup. As per Kobi's suggestion above, I've now created a new template for the days themselves. It puts in all of the bits and pieces that are required. No category as yet, since I'm not sure that we've decided on one, but if a category needs to be added, simply done. Anyhow, it works pretty simply (all told), but requires the number of the month as opposed to the name (I was having some issues with the 'switch' statement). For an example in use, see 6 September. -- Sulfur 18:15, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
As an aside, the entire month of October is now "complete". Well, complete with the data from the birthdays, deaths, airdates, and script stuff (TOS). My plan is to work on February and May next (as they seem to have the most links to them. 9er put together a Calendar year page so that all dates would be listed in a single place too. -- Sulfur 12:03, 28 June 2006 (UTC)


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Posted: Sat 30 Jan 2010, 14:44
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About ath5k:
Inspiron 700m, Pent.M 1.6Ghz, 1Gb ram.
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Posted: Sat 30 Jan 2010, 15:55
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Subject description: IRQ #11 disabled: Solved
Thank you jjbrewer for point to the post by tempestuous. I had found it before.
But, I did find a solution! I added the kernel boot parameter, irqpoll to the kernel line. This eliminates the IRQ #11 disabled messages and the sound works normally. An alternate solution is to use acpi=off, but, this causes an incomplete power shutdown. The system only halts and one has to press the power button to completely turn off the system.
I found the information on irqpoll in Ubuntu post on the same problem. There are kernel boot parameters that do many things. The only way to find out about them is to read the kernel documentation.
For Puppy 4.3.1, my suggestion is the message from initrd.gz be change from "IRQ #11 disabled" to "IRQ #11 disabled try acpi=off kernel boot parameter". The "acpi=off" kernel boot parameter is documented on Puppy Linux wiki and other sources. The irqpoll parameter is not documented. This would help people when they encountered the problem. Pressing the power button to turn off the system at shutdown is a reasonable work around.
This whole problem is the result of Windows 2000 plug and pray, opps, I mean plug and play scheme. It uses irq 11 as general interrupt for a host of devices. I hope this helps.
31 January. I did some more research into kernel parameters. I found and tested acpi=noirq. This appears to be a better way to solve this rather than irqpoll.
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Posted: Sat 30 Jan 2010, 16:02
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To have it poweroff cleanly; add acpi=force, to the end of the
kernel line in /boot/grub/menu.lst.
Inspiron 700m, Pent.M 1.6Ghz, 1Gb ram.
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Posted: Sat 30 Jan 2010, 19:10
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Thanks technosaurus, but ecopup has been modified to use a "eco_save.2fs", so this cant be the reason. There was no pup_save.2fs on the hard disk at all when I booted it.
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Posted: Sat 30 Jan 2010, 20:58
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Thanks again, for the advice and help, jdbrewer. I tried the boot parameter acpi=force and it did not work. I got the same with IRQ #11 being disabled. Only boot parameters acpi=off and irqpoll seem to work. But, I do thank you for help.
It seems the best approach is acpi=noirq
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Posted: Sun 31 Jan 2010, 22:33
Post subject: Module & modem firmware loading integrity corrections
Subject description: Serializes resource access & processing to eliminate multi-threading vulnerabilities
The module/firmware loader is executed by multiple concurrent processes, but utilizes its resources as if run by processes one-at-a-time. Multi-threading requires precautions to avoid concurrent access and updating of files, which occurs in the loader. The modem detection and initialization processes are subject to these vulnerabilities, and can function unreliably as a consequence. Furthermore, the module override and preference functions omit some capabilities needed to select modules predictably. The attached packages correct these and other issues.
The fix is provided in two packages, so that the modem fixes can be omitted if users do not have dialup modems, and so that the packages can be updated independently. The packages are:
- pup_event_backend_modprobe and its new resource-serialization service
- modem "fix pack" that reliably integrates the Conexant drivers and upgrades wireless modem coverage, as well as usb_modeswitching.
These packages are intended for application to puppy 4.3.1 and to be incorporated into puppy 4.4 and all future versions of Puppy Linux. I also provide a new "3G-pupdial-13" package containing the modem updates for puppies 4.1.2 and 4.2.1 (but not the modprobe fix). Together, they increase Puppy's robustness, especially in unusual configurations. They were developed on my 400 MHz Aptiva, which exaggerates the impact of multi-threading and long-running firmware installations (e.g., the Conexant drivers). Most users should notice little difference, although those experiencing erratic modem or network-module detection should see that corrected. I also tested on a dual 466 MHZ PC that froze with the DGC USB modem plugged in, before I installed the packages; with them installed, the modem behaved normally, and no freeze!
The packages contain many code changes, so could cause some regression errors. Please install them to fresh Puppy installations or those that have been backed up, in case we get an ugly surprise. I have worked on this for three months, including extensive testing, to make it solid. Please report (via PM, to avoid hijacking the thread) any regression behavior you encounter. Barry and technosaurus might wait a while before integrating them, to allow users to "shake it out."
I will give more details in the next posting.
UPDATE 2/20/2010: The new versions correct the lock function and change how usb_modeswitch is used, so that modem initialization waits for it. Be sure to uninstall the previous versions and the modemprobe_erase-1 fix before installing these packages.. I recommend these packages especially for anyone running on a multi-processor or multi-core-processor system, to avoid the risk of a "hang" during initialization..
UPDATE 3/2/2010: Replaced the packages with minor updates. Adds analog modem script utilization of the new way to verify a module is loaded, all modem script use the "protect --modcheck" function. re-implements prevention of invalid dialup probe results after modem replacement. These are added for completeness and consistency in the modem init scripts. The "protect log" entries time field is corrected. Since there is little functional change, there is no need to reinstall the packages -- but new downloads of them will contain the latest developments. I expect to post a delta dotpet later in this thread, mainly for Barry to use to update his copy.
UPDATE 4/6/2010: Replaced the packages -- pup_event to support added-module loading, modem-fix to upgrade to the "automated" feature of usb_modeswitch, to eliminate the need for the multiple, editable rules files (51-) and to expand the models supported. The directory, /etc/usb_modeswitch.d, contains individual configuration files and replaces the old usb_modeswitch.conf global configuration file. To address cases where wireless modems (ttyUSB?) need a device name other than ttyUSB0, there is a fix to find the two most appropriate names, select one, and allow the user to change to the other in pupdial (with the "ttyUSB-" button, the name showing the alternate name to try). As this has had minimal user-testing, please report whether it works.
NOTE: These two packages contain all of my modem and modprobe-serialization fixes to be applied to puppy 4.3.1 -- except for a package for "mwave" modems. It was left out because of the size of that package and because it is rarely needed. However, it can be downloaded from this link (to the download on page 17):
UPDATE 4/15/10: Attached separate package for the usb_modeswitch binary for inclusion in projects, so it is identified in the package lists.
UPDATE 5/16/10: I have attempted to complete the scope of Puppy's support of ttyUSBn wireless modems, by adding the Qualcom (qcserial) and TI (ti_usb_3410_5052) initialization scripts and minor supporting changes. I have also corrected the device name for PCMCIA modems that relate to ttyIPWpn devices, using the ipwireless driver module. The attachment can be installed onto fix_pack 6, puppeee, quirky, wary, and lupu and anything else built with Woof as of this date.
UPDATE 5/28/10: I have updated the modem_ti_qc_ipwi_updates dotpet to add a minor correction to the martian firmware, for inclusion in Woof. I also added a file specific to Virgin (Australia) connections, to insert the "-chap" option automatically. If you do not need this option, there is no need to replace "-1".
Install this to protect against random freezes and other misbehavior.
It ensures module and firmware loading are coordinated, and should keep Puppy robust.
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usb_modeswitch binary. Already in modem fix pack 6, but provided for
proper inclusion in puppy projects.
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Posted: Sun 31 Jan 2010, 22:39
Post subject: Details for the above modprobe and modem packages
Some new dialup modem features to note:
1. The Riptide sound-and-modem card is supported so that the modem part is disabled, because the driver cannot handle it. This allows addition of another modem, without necessitating a complicated user workaround.
2. An attempt is made to support Vodaphone modems not detected in the normal way. Smokey01, who has been working with me via PMs, reports that this now works!.
3. All three Conexant drivers were tested concurrently, so that a PCI and USB modem can co-habit without interference, although installation of both PCI types (HCF, HSF) concurrently seems to cause the HSF modem to lock up Puppy when attempting a connection - better to avoid that combination.
4. Some built-in modems are associated with HSF, ALSA and SmartLink drivers, defaulting to the wrong driver. The HSF driver gets detected but is later found to not be a Conexant modem. In this case, Puppy avoids detecting the HSF and sets things up so that the ALSA driver is detected on the next boot-up.
5. A new udev rule supports some phone modems with hardware IDS 15eb:0001. This is incomplete and requires user feedback for further development. See comments within file /etc/udev/rules.d/50-modprobe-usbserial.rules. Some of the modems are:
- Haier D1200P USB Modem
- BSNL Clarity USB phone modem
6. USB-modem mode switching is upgraded to utilize the automated/integrated feature that discriminates better among modem models and improves the detection of actual mode switching. The old (51-) rules files (and editing of them) are eliminated. Modems not already supported may be added to rules files 51-usb_modeswitch-puppy.rules and 50-modprobe-option.rules.
7. Handling of device names ttyUSB0+ is changed to find the two most appropriate such names and to allow the user to change names with the pupdial "ttyUSB-" (Test) button. The name shown is the name that will be tested and should be different from the name of the "detected" device (assuming two are found).
The module-loading controls for overrides and preferences have been extended, to minimize addition of special coding in backend_modprobe, keeping most substitutions visible in the MODULESCONFIG file:
- PCI overrides can now include a module name of "(none)", which means to avoid loading a module for a particular hardware ID, more precise blacklisting. (This is used to disable the Riptide modem.)
- Preferences can be a bar-separated series of substitute modules (e.g., usb_storage:option|sierra). The result depends on the modules available for a particular hardware ID. It indicates priority in case multiple substitutes are present. (This is used for hybrid modems to ensure both usb_storage and a modem driver are loaded.)
- A dynamically added set of preferences can be activated by software. (This is used to reverse preferences for sound-card modems supported by either an ALSA or HSF module, when the HSF driver indicates that it is wrong for the modem.)
To demonstrate what the modprobe package does, here is its log for my Aptiva with an HSF PCI modem and a DGC USB modem installed. Note that it takes about 12 extra seconds before the firmware is loaded! Now Puppy waits until the firmware is loaded before attempting to select/detect a modem.
09:23:35 Request from PID 2383 GRANTED for resource M ali_agp
09:23:36 Request from PID 2444 GRANTED for resource M ohci_hcd
09:23:37 Request from PID 2468 GRANTED for resource M tulip
09:23:37 Request from PID 2517 GRANTED for resource M pcspkr
09:23:38 Request from PID 2651 GRANTED for resource M serio_raw
09:23:39 Request from PID 2632 REJECTED for resource M serio_raw
09:23:40 Request from PID 2429 GRANTED for resource M hsfpcibasic2
09:23:42 Request from PID 2928 GRANTED for resource M usbcore
09:23:43 Request from PID 3055 GRANTED for resource M evdev
09:23:44 Request from PID 2949 GRANTED for resource M dgcusbdcp
09:23:44 Request from PID 2968 REJECTED for resource M dgcusbdcp
09:23:45 Request from PID 2429 GRANTED for resource F hsfmodem
09:23:46 Request from PID 2949 GRANTED for resource F dgcmodem
09:23:47 Request from PID 3386 REJECTED for resource M usbcore
09:23:47 Request from PID 3483 REJECTED for resource M dgcusbdcp
14:23:53 Request from PID 3594 GRANTED for resource L modulesconf
14:23:55 Request from PID 4047 GRANTED for resource D 240
14:23:56 Request from PID 4122 GRANTED for resource D 241
14:23:58 Request from PID 3594 FREED resource L modulesconf
14:23:59 Request from PID 3592 GRANTED for resource L modulesconf
DEBUG (3592): Lock retried for 4 seconds for L modulesconf
14:24:01 Request from PID 4466 GRANTED for resource D 244
14:24:02 Request from PID 4525 GRANTED for resource D 245
14:24:04 Request from PID 4348 REJECTED for resource M dgcusbdcp
14:24:04 Request from PID 4352 REJECTED for resource M dgcusbdcp
14:24:05 Request from PID 4567 GRANTED for resource D 246
14:24:05 Request from PID 4369 REJECTED for resource M dgcusbdcp
14:24:06 Request from PID 4624 REJECTED for resource M dgcusbdcp
14:24:06 Request from PID 4745 GRANTED for resource D 247
14:24:08 Request from PID 3592 FREED resource L modulesconf
DEBUG (3707): Firmware completion test waited 12 seconds
The "resource" codes are: (M)odule, (F)irmware, (S)ound-card-number, (D)evice-major-number, and (L)ock, The "rejects" prevent module or firmware loading more than once, and use of a number by only one process. With faster PCs and only one of the modems, I see that 1-to-3 extra seconds are needed before starting detection. Non-Conexant modems should not require extra time.
Regarding the new modprobe protection/serialization implementation, I attach difference listings for pup_event_backend_modprobe, to summarize its changes.
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Posted: Mon 01 Feb 2010, 05:08
Post subject: Wireless Modem - huawei k3765
Subject description: Vodafone prepaid
I thought I should do one more test.
I booted puppy with pfix=ram
installed the modem_fix_pack_to_431-1.pet file
plugged in the modem
ran pupdial
Modem was found
modified the parameters as per screenshot.
Works great.
This setup is for Vodafone prepaid in Australia.
Note the required changes underlined in red
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Posted: Mon 01 Feb 2010, 13:07
Post subject: Puppy 4.3.1 image viewer omission
Subject description: No viewer for ppm pnm pgm pbm
I tried viewnior, inklite, mtpaint, seamonkey, then downloaded gpicview and fotoxx and gqview which don't do it either. Or links2 (graphical).
p?m is a standard linux image format, viewed by zgv and I think xli, xv, not available as pet packages. Used by netpbm, which also has a small viewer. gimp would take 20 min to download. What else might I try?
Thanks for setting up a default pdf viewer in 4.3.1. And gif jpeg tiff.
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Posted: Thu 04 Feb 2010, 22:41
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There are alot of threads about puppy hanging either during an unexpected power loss by user intervention or electrical issues including the
command (which seems irregular that we should be using an odd command
from the terminal session).
This brought out another bug which I saw USB keyboard is able to select the booting menu.lst option yet the USB driver is disabled during this unexpected or forced shutdown/reboot procedure.
There are some ideas listed in the below threads and I hope this gets fixed because it's a major issue with installing this operating system on clients machines with remote control. Heavens forbid I lose control when a client is way too far to have physical access to the machine. Ouch the thought hurts.. lol
Puppy 4.1 Boot Hangs
Puppy Freezes after 'reboot' from Terminal session window
Make Puppy recover automatically from improper shutdowns
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Posted: Sat 13 Feb 2010, 05:12
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Yes, an important bug to get fixed! I know that feeling nassausky
Another one to report...although Abiword in 4.3.1 is capable of opening openoffice .odt files, they are not "associated" with abiword, so clicking on them in ROX does not open them automatically in Abiword. This is something to do with "Mime Types" I believe.
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Posted: Sat 20 Feb 2010, 20:15
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Hi everyone,
While making some tests this week I noticed that PFIX=nox have
no effect. I was willing to set a boot loader to get me fast into a
linux console but puppy always brings me to graphical manager
to choose from xorg-xvesa and etc...
Don't know if someone else noticed it already
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Posted: Sat 20 Feb 2010, 21:50
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PANZERKOPF wrote:
3) Monitor gamma correction button in Xorgwizard does nothing. It calls
"tkgamma" tool which is missing in 4.x releases. (Because tcl/tk was dropped).
I make simple replacement which is attached here:
Thank you for this utility!
But the /X11 directory (has it of the xgamma as is now) need move onto /usr/X11 directory.
As passing true to common standard of directory structure.
Patched now
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Posted: Sun 21 Feb 2010, 04:55
Post subject: vlc abiword problems
As much as I like most of what puppy can do there are a couple of bugs which prevent it being the operating system of choice.
1. vlc media player crashes when trying to play mkv files. I can play these with no problems in ubuntu. I need vlc player because I can use it to record tv programmes.
2. Abiword is incredibly SLOW! I thought that being in ram it would be just the opposite. Also, clicking on "create & modify styles" causes abiword to crash. (On a related note, maybe, Gnumeric does not suffer from the slowness of abiword)
I am using puppy4.3.1 and have checked the file integrity so I'm sure that everything is installed ok.
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...mmh and PFILE=no has no effect neither, puppy keeps on asking
me if I want to save a file or no
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| | |___ Browsers and Internet
| | |___ Business
| | |___ Compiling
| | |___ Desktop
| | |___ Documents
| | |___ Drivers
| | |___ Educational
| | |___ Engineering/Science/Simulation
| | |___ Eye Candy
| | |___ Filesystem
| | |___ Games
| | |___ Graphics
| | |___ Multimedia
| | |___ Network
| | |___ Security/Privacy
| | |___ System
| | |___ Utilities
| | |___ Virtualization
| | |___ Unsorted
| |
| |___ Cutting edge
| | |___ Multi-session live-CD/DVD
| |
| |___ Hardware
| | |___ Audio
| | |___ Networking
| | | |___ Dialup
| | | |___ Ethernet
| | | |___ Wireless
| | |
| | |___ Printers
| | |___ Video
| |
| |___ Puppy Derivatives
| |___ Puppy Projects
| |___ Next Puppy Development
| | |___ 4.x
| | | |___ Bugs (4.x dev)
| | | |___ Usability Issues (4.x dev)
| | |
| | |___ 5.x
| | |___ Bugs (5.x dev)
| | |___ Usability Issues (5.x dev)
| |
| |___ Localization Project
| |___ Documentation Project
|___ Taking the Puppy out for a walk
| |___ Announcements
| |___ Puppy Power
| |___ Suggestions
| |___ Misc
|___ Off-Topic Area
|___ Programming
|___ Security
|___ Truly off-topic conversations
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