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TORONTO — All that is holding up the Scott Rolen-for-Troy Glaus trade is those pesky physicals, which are set for Monday. So, barring any lingering red flags in Rolen's left shoulder or Glaus' left foot, an official announcement should come on Monday or Tuesday.
It also appears as though this is a straight-up one-for-one swap with no additional money besides the contracts being exchanged. If that's indeed the case, the Commissioner's Office doesn't need to put the ol' stamp of approval on the deal to get it done.
So, Toronto and St. Louis exchanged risks. I don't see this being a move that's overwhelmingly good or bad for either club, but more of a win-win situation for the players. Glaus, while happy in Toronto, gets to move to a grass playing field in St. Louis. Rolen gets away from his escalating feud with Cards skipper Tony La Russa.
The money is about the same tied to each player, though Rolen has three years left to Glaus' two. Word is that the Cards would only do the deal when Glaus agreed to kick in his 2009 player option. St. Louis gets a potentially powerful bat to slide behind Albert Pujols in the lineup and Toronto gets a slick glove and versatile bat to add to its lineup.
When healthy (man, I'm tired of writing that with this team), Rolen might be the best fielding third baseman in the game. He and second baseman Aaron Hill should help mask anything Toronto might've lost on defense by making the switch to David Eckstein from John McDonald.
Offensively, Rolen hasn't launched as many homers as Glaus annually, but he's performed better in virtually every other category:
Rolen, 32 — .283 AVG, .372 OBP, .507 SLG, 28 HR and 109 RBI per 162 games
Glaus, 31 — .254 AVG, .358 OBP, .500 SLG, 36 HR and 101 RBI per 162 games
I may have said it in my last post, but I, for one, am a fan of this trade. I wasn't looking forward to seeing Frank Thomas and Troy Glaus hit back-to-back in the lineup, solely because when both are on base it really limits what the Jays can do on the basepaths. Too many times last year, Toronto's lack of speed made them a station-to-station offense.
As much as injuries took a toll on the lineup, this was a part of the problem, too. Rolen brings a little more speed to the group. I'm thinking a lineup consisting of Alex Rios, Vernon Wells, Thomas, Lyle Overbay, Rolen and Hill in the Nos. 2-7 spots (maybe not necessarily in that order) should bode better for run production. Time will tell.
There's always the outside chance that those medicals could derail this whole thing. Or, maybe the physicals will be fine, but the injuries might still be an issue during the year. Who knows? You saw how trying to hit with a bum left shoulder affected Wells last season.
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That last sentence is my biggest concern. Yes both are high injury risks but a bad shoulder to me seems worse then a bad knee. I agree with you in that I like the trade from a jays perspective however, considering they are mostly banking on health why trade for another high injury risk?
One thing I forgot to mention previously is that if the jays now have the lead late in the game it'll be that much harder to get some runs off of them. Assuming Ryan can return to form the jays should feel safe with late game leads with the defensive upgrade they get with Rolen and of course Mcdonald filling in for Eckstein.
So what does everybody think the line-up should be?
My take:
Wells or Rolen
Stairs or Lind
Rolen or Wells
If Rolen is healthy I consider putting him in the 3 spot becasue if Wells isn't attempting to steal 30 bases a year (not actually getting 30 but running 30 times – he may only be safe on 20 of 30) than Rolen is actually a better baserunner than Wells.
Also while Stairs and Lind are faster than Thomas he wouldn't be slowing them down as much as he'd be slowing down Overbay or Rolen.
well here's my take
Vs LHP
Of course these will probably change a few times before we get to opening day.
how many days till the blue jays opening day 2008???
All the health concerns aside, one thing I like about this deal is that the Jays now have their third base covered for the next three years – especially when the 2009 free agent market for third basemen doesn't look too promising. Hopefully, Ahrens will develop into the next "Chipper Jones," and take over at the position in time.
If Rolen is 100% Toronto definatly comes out on top in this one. The Jays had the #1 defense in baseball last year, and this move only makes them better in that area. At 32 he still has a few good years left in him.
I definately do not think the Jays came out on top in this one only on the fact that there is no cash involved. Both are a injury liability but Glaus appears to be more durable that Rolen. Looks like Scutaro and John MacDonald will be getting their fair share of playing time this year.
Projected Opening Day line-up:
1. Eckstein SS
2. Rios RF
3. Wells CF
4. Thomas DH
5. Rolen 3B
6. Overbay 1b
7. Hill 2B
8. Zaun C
9. Johnson LF
Does anyone know what the whole feud is with Rolen? The last thing we need is him bringing it with him to the Jays and giving us another Hillenbrand situation.
I definately like this trade. You are no farther ahead no behind when it comes to injury histories but Rolen is a much better all round player. He's not going to knock out 40 bombs. However, his career OBP is almost 20 points higher, he hits more total extra base hits and he's driven in 300 more runs than Glaus over his career. Combine that with Hall of Fame type defense and you have to say Toronto got a better deal. A healthy Rolen is probably the best all round third baseman in the majors, behind A-Rod.
Rolen has had disagreements with his last two managers, Bowa and LaRusso.
The Bowa incident started off with a negotiation of a contract extention, which was ultimately declined by Rolen. Rolen then called a news conference, called himself an idiot and went on for 45 minutes to describe in detail everything he felt was wrong in the Philly organization. Bowa then acousted him right in front of TV reporters.
Here's a description of the start of his feud with Tony LaRusso taken from a CBS sports article.
Rolen first hurt his shoulder in a collision with the Dodgers' Hee-Seop Choi in May 2005, undergoing two surgeries and missing most of that season. He hit .296 with 22 home runs and 95 RBI in 2006, but by September his shoulder was worn out. He was barely half the offensive player he had been, hitting .225 with three home runs and 14 RBI that month, and then struggled in the NL Division Series against the Padres. Rolen never said a word to anyone, though. The code, remember. He played hurt and he kept his mouth shut.
And got called a liar.
Rolen finally went to Cardinals manager Tony La Russa after Game 3 of the NLDS and told him the shoulder felt "sort of fatigued."
From there, their relationship disintegrated.
Placido Polanco returned to be ALCS MVP for Detroit. La Russa rested him for Game 4 of the NLDS. Rolen, who was 1-for-11 in the first three games, took it as a benching. After Rolen was hitless in the first game of the NLCS at New York, La Russa sat him down for Game 2. Rolen took it as another benching and went public with his complaints, saying he was "surprised and disappointed." La Russa lashed back, saying Rolen had broken the manager's trust by playing hurt in September without telling anyone. And if Rolen couldn't be trusted to tell his manager when he was hurt, well, his manager didn't owe him an explanation upon making out the lineup card.
The Rolen-La Russa feud became one of the biggest stories of the NLCS.
Announcers for Fox beat Rolen's shoulder like a bongo, going on and on every time he didn't turn a fastball into a hit. The Cardinals' daily lineup card became a story. Was Scott playing?
vs RHP
vs LHP
Scutaro can spell Rolen once a week and JM can play when Doc and maybe Marcum pitch as well as late inning defensive sub.
I see a team that has excellent defence and the POTENTIAL to be very solid offensively from top to bottom. They say pitching and defence win championships……
If healthy, a better, all-around Rolen will of course make Jays the winner in this one. But this doesn't seem to be scenario for the next "three" year. Rolen was very consistent offensively and defensively for a long time, but we all know how unpredictable he was at the plate over the past three season (whereas Glaus showed no sign of a will-be huge slide), and that is the main reason why I don't trust him for such a long stretch of time. Even he is "cleared" of the NRI. His swing might had changed infinitely over the past year so that he is not the "Rolen" anymore.
I won't be surprise if he turn out to be an offensive bust with only a gold glove remained and getting a salary more than 8 times of what JMac 's gonna get. Hey, if we just want to upgrade our defense, there are plenty of internal options.
Even if it is worthy (that is if Rolen is "healthy" for at least 2 years by my standard), I will be very disappointed if JP doesn't manage to get some money or prospect for Cardinals. Is there anybody in baseball that doesn't know they are trying their best to dump Rolen??? Come on, we don't necessarily have to do this kind of super-high-risk trade. BUT they do need to GET RID OF Rolen and his HUGE contract somehow. And this is all we'll get???
I think this is basically trading a player who most likely can't stay healthy playing here (on turf) for a player who may or may not stay healthy playing anywhere.
As per the money, if Blair's right and we get 3 mil that means we're on the hook for $11 mil per which is obviously not good if he can't play but if he plays is a very good price.
An interesting note is the comentary I've read (I think it was the espn peice gsumner posted earlier) that mentioned the Cardinals wouldn't have done the deal unless Glaus picked up his option because the 3B free agent crop is looking so bad.
Given that reality, after '08 we'd have been left with nothing because based on supply and demand, and the turf killing his foot, Glaus probobly would have left after next year anyway
With no 3B prospect near the majors, and the FA classes getting worse and worse by the year as more and more teams locked up their players, JP must have decided he needed a 3B who's locked up for more than 1 year.
I can't think of any other 3rd basemen who are on the market.
Melvin Mora doesn't count because Peter Angelos is a ***** who ties his GM's hands by ordering him not to trade any players to any divisional rival irrelevent of the offer.
That's also the reason we'll have to wait for FA to have a chance at bringing Bedard home.
Wow, the word m0r0n get's censored?
Hi Robert,
You are basically right. But the main point is whether you want to have a "mystery" for three year and feel safe that you won't go into the FA market or if you really want to build a good team. If we are not build to win for the next three years, then fine, I absolutely have no problem with the trade. But what if Rolen turn out to be no better than a replacement-level player? Are we gonna stick to him for long or are we going to find other solutions. This is truly a great gamble, isn't it?
And was there ANY team seriously asked about Rolen this winter? NO, to the point that the Cardinal GM was very frustrated and said that Rolen is gonna stay. So why is it that we are the only one that SEE the value of Rolen? I am also a long time Giants fan. Giants need to upgrade 3B offensively too, and they don't even bother asking.
Hey, i hear Rich Harden is healthy, and hey he's got great stuff …. when he's healthy, why not get him ? …. cause he's healthy now, right ?
Now that i got that out of my system, does it seem like this could be a prelude to signing Eckstein long term ? Make it more agreeable here for him so he might consider an extension if he hits well in Toronto ? This is just something that worries me since next years SS class has some gems, and with Burnett (prob) off the books, Toronto could really solve their SS problem, Rafeal Furcal would sure be nice.
There are people with medical backgrounds, along with people like Will Carroll of Baseball Prospectus, who believe that Rolen's shoulder will be a problem for the remainder of his playing career. Basically, if Riccardi's risk doesn't pay off, Toronto will be hampered by it for the next three years.
Jeff Blair from the Globe is saying that the Jays are getting cash of a net amount of $3 million….so its not all a financial wash.
This makes me a little happier about the deal.
I was also wondering about whether or not the Jays would pursue Rich Harden. J.P. has the inside knowledge of the organization, has a great relationship with Bill Beane and a few minor league trading chips in Lind and Purcey. I wouldn't part with Snider or Cecil tho.
IMO it doesn't matter if we're hampered for the next 3 years.
The risk either pays off and we're competitive in the next few years or the risk doesn't pay off and we're not.
At which point JP is gone and whoever the new GM is get's to build around the 07 draft class and a Doc who will be on the downside of his career but with McGowan, Marcum, Accardo, Hill, Rios, Wells will be in their prime plus hopefully Eric Bedard anchoring the staff, and hopefully Snider, Ahrens, Arencibia, Jackson.
Bottom line, the risk pays off we're competitive, if it doesn't JP is fired and we're rebuilding towards a team comprised of the guys I mentioned.
I am not that optimistic about Jays after 2010. It's taken a lot of effort to go to this point and we've locked the core to 2010. Beyond that, who knows? Doc is a FA, so is BJ, so is Rios. And Hill will be a FA one year later. The recent success in contract extension doesn't guarantee that any of these players are going (or willing) to stay with Jays longer, as everybody knows how the FA market has become. We should definitely cherish the opportunities in the next three years when there is relatively less uncertainty within the roster.
As for the youngsters, besides Lind and Snider, there aren't any sure things yet. Not to mention the farm corp that sox and yankees have are better at this point.
Is not a try-it-and-see-if-it -work situation right now
I don't know if you noticed, and I might be wrong, but I thought the first post Jordan made announcing the potential deal stated final approval had to wait because of the commissioner's office, meaning cash in excess of $1 million changed hands.
In his recent post, no money is expected to change hands.
Now Jeff Blair states there's $4 million coming our way and we send a million back. I'm starting to wonder which one is right.
My concern is Rolen's 3rd year, in which we are committed to $11.25 mill. It just seems like a lot of risk for a 35 year old with injury problems. There is, also this nagging concern of how Rolen is in the clubhouse.
Frankly, I'm surprised more guys haven't taken a shot at LaRusso as big of a egomaniac he is, but I'm not impressed with how Rolens dealt with Larry Bowa. That sounded a lot like Hillebrand all over to me.
That being said, if Rolen's healthy, I think he could be our Mike Lowell and put us into contention. The guy burns to win, takes our defense to probably the best in baseball and provides us with a proven "cltuch hitter" which we have sorely missed.
If he is healthy and helps us win this year or next, no one will care how much he's paid in 2010 or whether he's even able to play.
In my view, we weren't going to contend before this trade, now, if Rolens performs, I think we might. He could be that much of a difference.
i'm curious any idea of who initiated these talks ? was it the jays or cardinals?
Personally, I'm more optimistic about The Jays in 2011 than I am now.
Our outfielders will be Snider, Wells, Rios,Lind and Cavez. Our catchers will be Diaz and Arencibia. For the infield we have Adhrens, Jackson, Hill, Tolisano and hopefully Fuenmeyer.
For starters we have Marcum, McGowan, Cecil, Purcey, Romero, Janssen, Litsch and potentially Wolfe and we are knee deep in pitching prospects that played in Auburn and GC Jays last year, 6 of which had era's under 2 and weren't mentioned in the BA report.
If we keep drafting the way we did last year, our minor league system will be humming in 2009 at all levels. The Sox and Yanks have better prospects in the higher minors than we do, but we hold our own in the lower levels and that crop is starting to move up. Auburn won the championship in 2007.
We now have a strong core of young talented players-mostly home grown. That only improves in the next few years and whatever pieces are missing can be added in free agent or trades.
Re:Rolen in the clubhouse
I know nothing of Larry Bowa so i'll defer to Blair:
" . . . It's possible that Rolen chafed under all that, just as he chafed under manager Larry Bowa in Philadelphia. That in itself is no big deal, because he's joining a list that includes everybody who ever played for Bowa."
Re:the money:
No disrespect to Jordan but I'd bet Blair has better sources, aside from being around much longer than Jordan, Jordan is more of a reporter where Blair is more of a columnist.
I agree that before this we weren't gong to contend because I think we were too slow, with weak defence on the left side of the field (including LF when Johnson's not the one out there) and I didn't think Glaus would be able to stay healthy on turf (on grass he stands a chance).
I don't think I'd bet on as many of the prospects becoming solid players as you would but I agree in principle that there's a lot of talent there that if developed well with some luck (even with all the scouting and stat metrics – the draft is still a lot about luck) would form the core of a contending team.
Of course Thorton is right about getting these guys locked up.
Sumner…dont count your chickens before they hatch
Your throwing alot of names around that are in LOW A ball…
If you think an infeild full of 23 year old rookies will get it done, im a little worried about that. If you dont beleive me you can ask the Tampa Bay fans… I doubt half those players even make an apperance in the big leagues by then.
If the Jays dont do anything by 2010 you can bet they will go into a little rebuild centered around Snider. But dont expect players to jump in and instantly be stars.
Back on topic…I dont know why we should be worried about having a 3rd baseman under contract for 3 more years. I see that as a positive, if Rolen went on the market there is no way we would be able to sign him for 11M/year. There are no prospects even close to being ready so this secures the position for a few more years. Sure there is a risk of getting injured, but there is a risk with anyone. Glaus could just as easily hurt his foot again. The plus with this situation in we now have a veteren backup in Scutaro who can fill in.
We are talking about 2011, which is what my post was based on. You are right in that the infielders I mentioned-other than Hill are just low A to high A prospects. However thats not the case in the outfield or pitching.
My point in the post was not that these guys would be superstars by then, but that there was no need for despair either. 2011 is a long time away. Some of these kids will make it, some won't, we might still have Overbay at first-we might not. Who knows.
I do think if Rolen was on the market as a 35 year old, we'd be able sign him for $10-12 mill a year. But why don't we all wait to confirm exactly how much money we get if we get any, which might or might not take some of the risk of that 3rd year away.
I also think if we don't seriously contend or win this year, assuming good health, this team gets exploded. No one is going to have the patience of waiting until 2010 to explode it. And if you do explode it, that 3rd year is a big time problem unless we get funds from St. Louis as part of the deal to offset some of that risk.
It looks like the Jays will not only be taking on the salary of Rolen in full, but we are going to pay the Cardinals 1.8 million to have the priveledge of doing so.
I didn't realize that Rolen was THAT much better then Glaus. I guess this means that we should all pre-order our world series tickets now, since the huge liability of Glaus is gone, and we have a superior replacement for him.
first off, i like this trade. i've never like Glaus' style of play, hes too slow and is not a good hitter. power hitters are rarely good hitters, but Rolen is proven to be both with a much higher batting average and is also better at driving in runs. We lose some power, but we already have Thomas to cover the big-slow power hitter part, 2 people in this role was not functional.
secondly, gsumner was getting way ahead of himself in his prospect analysis of 2010-11. Lind will be traded by then, as Snider will be ready and Wells and Rios(hopefully) aren't goin anywhere. that being said, i hope we can make a deal with the rebuilding A's for Joe Blanton or Rich Harden, though i don't believe they will trade Harden. I see us including Lind and a couple good prospects such as Brett Cecil and Fuenmeyer.
thirdly, alot of our "future pitching prospects" that gsumner alluded to are already major busts, Romero and Purcey have been some of the most unsuccessful first round picks to come out of those drafts. while i hope that they can get back on track, i'm not keeping my fingers crossed, especially on Romero, as Purcey had a fine showing in AFL
Whether Lind is traded or not, doesn't really change the point I made on outfielders. The point is one way or the other we're going to be fine and even have a surplus of prospects with Lind and Cavez.
I don't see how your issue with Purcey and Romero relates to your statement of "alot of our future pitching prospects are already major busts" makes any sense when they are two of 13 pitchers I identified.
I beg to differ with you on Purcey. The Jays identified he had a mechanical problem with his delivery-it was known before we drafted him. The question you should ask about Purcey is why did it take so long for our coaching staff to straighten it away?
Purcey performed really well at the start of 2007 before he got injured and in the AFL. I expect him to continue that level of performance in AAA this spring. Soon his record will stand for itself.
I remember a year ago, I was saying the same thing about McGowan and was one of the very few on here that defended him. I expect everyone, including yourself, will jump on Purcey's bandwagon around the middle of June.
You might or might not be right about Romero; I'm hoping he bounces back from his injury last year and becomes the pitcher he's cabable of-but I might be too optimistic on him-time will tell.
i hope your right on Purcey, i think i was premature on calling him a bust, also Romero is still early on in his career, but his numbers are not up to par. Again with your assesment on McGowan last year, the question was never whether McGowan had the stuff, and with Romero, i really think it is. His ERA has been around 5 or worse every year and it isn't showing signs of improving, the last thing we need is another Chacin, who i also think doesn't have major league stuff/knowledge(Tom Glavine, Greg Maddux) to allow him to get by.
What I don't understand is how a lot of people on this blog were all over JP for dealing for Ecks because "we're going to lose all that defence…" and now he is going to make a deal that will greatly improve our defence and everyone is talking about "we're losing our offence.." I think a lot of the people here are JP haters, and regardless of the moves he makes, they are going to cry. This is a good move. If you don't make the deal, you still need to hope your 3rd baseman can get back to form. If you make the trade and that happens, then we are in a better spot, because Rolen is better at the top of his game then Glaus is. Don't get me wrong, I like Glaus, but since we need a lot of good fortune this year anyways, we might as well get the better player
Well, as you know we drafted Romero in 2005 and he started with us in Dunedin (high A) in 2006. He got off to a good start in Dunedin and was moved to AA where he struggled. He ended up the year with an era of 3.87 ( 2.47 in Dunedin and 5.08 in New Hampshire). For whatever reason when he got moved to New Hamsphire, his walk ratio went through the roof (26 in 67 innings) and his strikeout ratio dropped.
This same problem continued throughout 2007 in which he walked 52 in 93 innings. That could be why his era in 2007 jumped to 4.84.
I don't know what the problem is or whether it's fixed. What I do know is the Jays thought enough of his ability to start him in Dunedin where he effectively jumped two minor league levels-and moved him to AA in his first professional year.
He also had an excellent reputation in college, so I assume he'll be back. I guess the Jays feel the same because it looks like they're starting him and Purcey in AAA.
So let's hope they both make it.
Are you sure you're on the right blog? I just reviewed all posts in this string and haven't seen one yet against the deal. Of course everyone has questions and concerns.
Please answer this question.
When the deal was origionally announced by Jordan, I believe he stated money would be transferred. Then in his second post there was no money transfered.
Then I believe the Sun stated there would be a $1.8 million dollar trasnfer to the Jays. Then Jeff Blair stated there would be a $3+million transfer to Toronto.
Now, The Star says we will pay St. Louis $1.8 million.
Like what is going on-why is there so much different information on the same deal in the press.
I don't know why the media is giving everyone different information. (They are the media)
It may be the fact that the Leafs stink and the star has nothing else to write about in this city. I will not believe anything from the star until I see it first. However, I will say that the Jays might be making moves to draw attention to themselves in a Toronto market dominated by other sports. With the Leafs ready to fire their GM and the Raps off to a slow start the Jays might be looking into their window of oppertunity, and I think it is about time.
First, I dont really see how baseball competes with basketball and hockey at all. The seasons overlap for a total of about a month all year. I think the Jays are making moves to make themselves better.
I agree with a post earlier, I forget who it was, that talked about Scutaro and JM being able to spell Rolen once a week or so. This should keep him as healthy as possible for as long possible. I hope that this turn of events was planned, and didnt just fall into JPs lap.
I also agree with gsumner about exploding this team if this season doesnt go well while we stay healthy. If this means trading Rios or Wells, then so be it.
Finally, this trade is great. Supposedly the operation Rolen had is supposed to bring him back to full health. Thats WAY more than can be said for Glaus. If Glaus stayed here, he would only go from bad to worse. And what really matters offensively is production, NOT home runs. More RBIs means more games won. This deal is great. Even if we dont get any money from them (which given the history of Rolen and Larussa, we should be able to do, but oh well) we should still pat JP on the back for this trade.
Thats my two cents.
For anybody interested here is a glimpse of what the beat writer for st. louis had to say about Glaus for Rolen:
Well from what it looks like, the Jays fans like Glaus better, and the Cardinal fans like Rolen better. So why don't we all keep our players and be happy? I know that we have a problem with having Thomas and Glaus on base and not being able to run. Why don't we spread them out a hitter or two then. With all of the different combos that we have in the lineup, I am sure we could figure out something.
Just for the record, i hated the eckstein deal and the Rolen deal ! I have been consistent in my hating ! =)
I was worried the Eckstein deal could lead to a longer contract, and with signing Rolen for three years, i still see it as a possibility that the jays dump serious money into eckstein.
But, with most deals like this, the "i told you so's", can only be doled out at the end of the season. So all we can really do is wait.
And yes, when i mentioned we should get Harden, i was being sarcastic, as the man is probably qualified to play in the special olympics with the amount of injuries he has; giving up a bird in the hand is always worse then going for the two in the bush.
Forget what I said just before. The trade is completed. So like Dave6998 said all we can do is wait….
Could you seek clarification of what this sentence means?
"As part of the trade, St. Louis is reportedly sending $4 million to cover a bonus Rolen has coming in 2010, and Toronto is including $1.8 million."
Matthew Leach did not include this in his posting on the Card's site and no bonus of this amount is listed on Rolen's contract as reported:
*$5M signing bonus
*$10M deferred ($2M/year from 2003 to 2007)
*full no-trade clause (waived to allow trade from St. Louis 1/14/08)
*performance bonuses: $50,000 each for Gold Glove & All Star selection
Is this total of $5.8 million to pay part of his deferred salary from 2003 to 2007? Are we still responsible for 3 years at $12 mill per year?
Just got back, and wow! I like Jordan's take. Rollen still has good wheels, and he and Hill should cover Eckstein defensively, bad shoulder or no. Rollen and Eckstein won't make us worse offensively, compared to Glaus and MacDonald, even if Rollen is not hitting well. If Rollen hits well, we definitely have an upgrade.
The Cards still have to pay Scott whatever deferred money they owe him (probably a bonus). The Jays have to send the Cardinals 1.8 Mil. Also, I think Troy Glaus gets the better end of this deal because the Cardinals will be much more likely to make the playoffs than the Blue Jays (even if the Cards are re-building). Scott Rolen is not gonna back a big enough difference for the Blue Jays to pass the Yankees & Red Sox in the standings


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Tandoori Roti is made with whole-wheat flour and traditionally cooked in a clay oven or tandoor. This recipe uses a regular home oven with pizza or baking stone which provides a similar effect to the tandoor.
Recipe make 4 Rotis.
- 1 cup whole-wheat flour
- 1/4 cup all purpose flour (maida)
- 1/4 teaspoon baking soda
- 1/2 teaspoon salt
- 1/4 teaspoon sugar
- 1 1/2 tablespoon oil
- 1/4 cup yogurt
- About 1/4 cup of water as needed
Also needed:
- 1/4 cup whole-wheat flour for rolling
- 2 tablespoons ghee (clear butter)
- Mix the flour, baking soda, sugar, and salt together.
- Next add the oil and yogurt and mix to make crumbly dough.
- Add water as needed and mix to make smoother dough.
- Knead the dough for about a minute. Set the dough aside and cover it with a damp cloth.
- Let the dough rest for at least 30 minutes.
- Heat the oven to 500 degrees with a pizza stone (baking stone) for about thirty minutes so the stone becomes hot. Using a baking/pizza stone will help to give roti close to same kind of heat as tandoor.
- Next turn the oven to high broil.
- Divide the dough into four equal parts.
- Roll each dough piece into a smooth ball and press flat. Take each ball and press it into the dry flour on both sides makes it easy to roll.
- Roll each dough piece into 6-inch circles.
- If the dough sticks to the rolling pin or rolling surface, lightly dust the dough with dry flour.
- Before putting the rolled dough into the oven, lightly wet your palms and take the rolled dough and flip them between your palms before placing them onto your baking/pizza stone in the oven.
- You can place about 2 pieces of rolled dough on the baking/pizza stone at a time. The roti will take about 2 minutes to cook, depending upon your oven. After the roti is baked, there should be golden brown color on top.
- Take roti out of the oven and brush lightly with clear butter (ghee).
- Wait for 2 to 3 minutes before baking the next roti to allow the oven to reheat.
- Serve the roti hot
Serving Suggestions:
- Serve Tandoori Roti with dal, or any gravy-based dish and a side of sukhi subji complimented with chilled yogurt raita.

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I'm not one for conspiracy theories. I believe it's simply laziness that allows the unequal pay and the diminished status of women in architecture to continue: laziness in questioning personal preconceptions and sexist attitudes, combined with the sinful habit, in the badly paid architectural profession, of paying people as little as you can get away with.
If there was any doubt of the need for a campaign to promote equal pay for women in architecture, the results of the second annual AJ Women in Architecture survey should quash it. The survey confirms that last year's results still hold true - women architects are frequently paid less than their male equivalents, while female directors are almost always paid less, and by a considerable margin. I don't need to remind you that paying unequal wages for the same job function is against the law.
During the making of this special edition of the magazine and while planning the upcoming AJ Women in Architecture Awards and Luncheon - which will take place on 22 March - I came across a seminal essay from 1975 by Denise Scott Brown, who will deliver a special pre-recorded address at the lunch event. 'Room at the Top? Sexism and the Star System in Architecture' chronicles Scott Brown's experience of working as an equal partner in an unequal society. She writes:
'Some young women in architecture question the need for the feminist movement, claiming to have experienced no discrimination. My concern is that, although school is not a non-discriminatory environment, it is probably the least discriminatory one they will encounter in their careers. By the same token, the early years in practice bring little differentiation between men and women. It is as they advance that difficulties arise, when firms and clients shy away from entrusting high-level responsibility to women. On seeing their male colleagues draw out in front of them, women who lack a feminist awareness are likely to feel that their failure to achieve is their own fault.'
In the context of our survey results, Scott Brown's comments resonate. The implication is that discrimination in architecture is insidious - gradually worsening as you climb the career ladder. We don't need Scott Brown or the Women in Architecture survey to tell us this - count the number of female directors in most practices, and this glass-ceiling ratio tells its own story.
The first step in making a change is observation. I urge all practices to have a look at their salary bands and determine whether they are treating staff equally. The next step is to enact salary bands: thresholds determined by job description and experience. This will ensure that project architects and directors are paid equally, regardless of gender.
As for preconceptions about parental leave and flexible working, these must be challenged. They are elements that reflect a lifestyle change that both women and men are calling for. It may take time for some of the more old-fashioned practices to see the light. In the meantime, in the words of Alison Brooks: 'Never give up'.
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Some philosophical banter if I may.
I'd be for a complete reversal, but as a househusband (a veritable Mrs Bloggs nee Toner as explained later), i.e. as an unwanted/unloved architectural assistant male sole in search/need of a breadwinner - not unlike the female masses in the recent past, dared they [likewise] dream of having an architectural career...
Society however doesn't change let alone equilibrate overnight, in a mere 100 years. It'll take time for either ideal, including even to get back to the original husband breadwinners/housewives deal, perhaps not yet entirely a thing of the past... The salary discrimination, ethical or not, I think simply evidences an underlying societal system at play at any given point in our industry's employment [or livelihoods] structure.
If gender equality in salaries really could transpire in our society, sociology not my subject, would it be not in the hands of a society that can eventually and truly yield the elusive gender-less house-spouse, if possible (?)
Further to my opening paragraph, if salary discrimination could ever be reversed, jokingly, i.e. reciprocally interchanged, wouldn't this require the following change: i.e. imagining if Ms was the new Mr; and Mirr as a new Miss, where the single male such as I would be happily referred to as a Mirr Joe Soap until that elusive Ms Bloggs comes along wanting to change his surname to Mrs Joe Bloggs. Won't I be packing shelves before that'll ever happen, damn?
Let's get Alain de Botton's views on the topic too, teeheehee!!
And for that matter let's also hear Jane Duncan's view too, the newly appointed RIBA Equality & Diversity Champion charged with the following agenda, that RIBA has just released here:
here's the missing part of the URL, which wouldn't paste:
More to get more off my chest!
Again hypothetically and jokingly, regarding my reciprocal discrimination scenario, if I weren't to become an architect's househusband, spouse-less due to my shyness, then I'd quite happily accept a smaller salary as a dying (or resurgent) breed of worker.
I'd accept either-or in a flash rather than having to claim much more unemployment benefit than I already have (almost 4.5 years since real permanent architectural employment), or should I say 7 months officially, i.e. from the date that the DWP refused to pay a week's benefit to me over unintentionally missing an adviser appointment with "...no good cause..." according to a recent tribunal over my appeal. And BTW that was incidentally a female judge who'd judged wrongly!
How about having a meritocracy - rather than a kakistocracy - of gays, guys, gals, blacks, whites, rich, poor,... etc.?
The principle of livelihood is quite simply coming before that of capabilities. Let's indeed try to stop the rot RIBA or at least expose it for consultation: not forgetting there's been over a century of how the anomaly has been dealt with in the past – let's examine the history and facts transparently before a future generation (or dark ages) beats us to it!
Great that many offices are maintaining livelihoods at all costs during the recession, whatever the discriminations might be. A bigger issue must be that it needs to do this feat on a fairer basis - for instance so that no capable person/s are left searching for career leads over the best part of a decade, if they opt like me not to give up on searching for leads. I'll of course embarrassingly plod on applying anyway for architectural jobs for as long as possible. Whether I can continue to pay professional subs for equally long will depend on how badly the welfare cuts are going to be.
Right, it's off my chest now! Back to my quiet self again: the non-despairing one that farcically lives off JSA to pay a raft of other livelihoods beyond my means. Good luck girls in getting your fair share!
Lets get serious. 21% architects in the 21st Century getting paid 26% less is a scandal and against the law. If the lawyers, medics and footsie 100 companies can achieve over 40% representation and more equal pay then there is no reason why architects can't especially when 40% of the construction budget is public sector.
Maybe these statistics are the result of an over-revered profession that too many want to belong to. Lawyers and medics are naturally exclusive to those with half a brain. Architects may be anything from brainless to brainy enough inter alia to get others [assistants with architecture qualifications in the UK] to do the actual work. These statistics therefore aren't really surprising... Architecture is a naturally collaborative enterprise that is open as much to dunces as the highly intelligent.
My apologies Yasmin, I picked you up wrong on the 21% statistic. I hadn't realised that you'd been referring to the female gender rather than - as I'd presumed - 'architects in general' dropping their pay to win work.
21/79 female to male registrants is very revealing, when probably 50/50 are graduating with architecture qualifications.
Why the imbalance? Are females naturally happier to be assistants rather than architects? Do they opt to devote energies elsewhere after graduating?
Has the Part 3 final entry test exclusion been a factor? If so, then imagine this short hypothesis to set things straight: i.e. if practices could temporarily exclude more males than females from Part 3, e.g. 1 male for every 2 or more females, until ARB says the balance is restored.
I wonder if the registrant ratio anomaly signifies any relationship to the 'pay equality' issue. If so, then how and why!
Aren't societal issues, like the mockery on my initial post, relevant to an understanding of 'inequality' (its origins and impetuses), i.e. to have confidence in deploring them or in how they should be engineered out - or not?
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The trade deals with South Korea, Colombia and Panama in the Obama "jobs" bill will actually LOSE over 159,000 US jobs in jobs of the future such as computers, high speed trains, and solar.
Government can't create jobs, but it can destroy them.
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Last night I watched an intersting program on the Travel Channel about NY in the 1920's. Basically, it showed the old mansions built during the Industrial Boom of the '20's...and how there were an abundance of millionaires/billionaires during that time. The show itself was about these delapidated buildings, few of which remain..some being restored...But an interesting thing the commentator said "that was all before income tax, when people who were able to keep their money, the wealthy built these beautiful mansions, but after income tax, they became money pits." Most of these mansions were abandoned.
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the free trade deals were worked out under Bush and are just now being pushed through by Obama cuz he feels the pressure to do so. Free trade is a good thing. Tariffs don't work anymore and just lead to trade wars (which our stupid Congress is considering with China atm)
The jobs that leave tend to be low skill ones that can be done cheaper because of the idiot Unions"Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offense, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty toward the Majesty of Heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings..." Patrick Henry
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The use of a beer can inserted into a chicken is an old barbeque trick to provide flavored steam to the inside of the chicken as it cooks. At the same time, the beer supposely adds flavor to the chicken. Problem is, I don't quite buy it. If the beer is giving off steam, then most of that steam is just going to be water... most of the beer flavor will just be concentrating in the can. However, it seems that it would be sacrilegeous if I used the beer can but left out the beer.
The first step is to brine the turkey. Find a non-reactive (polycarbonate plastic, glass, or stainless steel) container large enough to hold the turkey. Prepare a brining solution of 1 cup table salt to 1 gallon water and soak the turkey in the solution in the refrigerator for four to six hours. (If your turkey has been infused with a solution, then reduce the salt content in your brine or just soak it in a container filled with plain water.)
Pour out the brining solution and rinse the turkey. One convenient way to do this is to position a rack in the sink and place the turkey on the rack to rinse. After the turkey has been rinsed, let it dry by placing it on a rack on a sheet pan in the refrigerator overnight (or for eight hours). Alternatively, use a blow drier on cool setting (no heat) to blow over the skin of the turkey until dry.
In order to prepare beer can turkey, a beer can is necessary. However, a normal 12-oz. beer can, perfect for a chicken, is a bit too small for the large cavity of a turkey. At my local convenience store, I found this 24 oz. micro-keg shaped can of Heineken. It looked to be about the right size, so I bought it.
After pouring the beer into another container (a large measuring cup), remove the top of the can. I used an
OXO Good Grips can opener
to cleanly remove the top (it took only one pass). Removing the top provides enough surface area from which the steam can rise. The small opening made by the pop top just isn't enough of an opening to effectively provide moisture to the turkey.
Deposit six bay leaves (broken up) and two teaspoons dried thyme into the can. Unlike the beer, the herbs will provide noticeable flavor and aroma while the steam helps keep the turkey moist during it's long cooking process.
Soak a cup of hickory wood chips in some water.
Prepare a spice rub by combining two tablespoons brown sugar, two tablespoons paprika, one tablespoon kosher salt, one tablespoon black pepper, and one teaspoon cayenne pepper. Mix the spice rub well.
Rub the spice rub over the entire exterior of the turkey. Loosen the skin over the breasts and thighs and rub the spices under the skin. Finally, rub the remaining spice rub inside the cavity of the turkey.
Pour half the beer back into the open beer can (reserving half for your drinking pleasure). Not pouring all the beer back reduces the risk of spilling as you transport the turkey to and from the grill. Lift the turkey up and lower it onto the beer can.
Place the turkey on the grill. If using a gas grill, position the turkey over one burner, away from the other burners. Turn the burner under the turkey off and turn the other burners on low. If using a charcoal grill, start the charcoals (you'll need a couple batches of about 100 briquettes each over the course of the smoking). When they're ready, push them to the outer edges of the grill leaving the center available for the turkey. Make a container with aluminum foil (or use a metal wood chip tray) and fill it with the wood chips that were soaking in water. Place the container over the other burner or on the hot coals. My grill was not large enough to cover the turkey without the lid touching it, so I placed a V rack in the middle to prop up the lid. I also inserted a
Polder Cooking Thermometer
into a thigh to track the temperature of the turkey.
Close the lid of the grill. If the turkey is too tall for your grill lid, find a way to prop open the lid just enough (so the lid is mostly closed, but not touching the bird). Then use heavy duty aluminum foil to cover the gap that's left. The aluminum foil lets out a lot of heat, but will help keep the smoke in long enough to flavor the turkey.
The actual cooking of the turkey is a bit finicky and has a lot to do with your grill and how much cooling air is getting into the grill from the slightly open lid. If you didn't need to prop open the lid of your gas grill, keep the burners on low. However, if you did need to prop open the lid, you might need to turn up the heat to compensate for the heat loss? Don't turn on the burner underneath the turkey - we want to cook it with indirect heat. If using charcoal, after the first one and a half to two hours, you'll need to start a new batch of charcoal and replace the original coals as they lose heat.
Halfway through the cooking, about two hours, rotate the turkey to allow even cooking.
When the thigh meat reaches 160°F (71°C) (about 4-1/2 hours in my example), prepare a simple glaze with two tablespoons brown sugar, two tablespoons ketchup, two tablespoons distilled white vinegar, two tablespoons beer, and two teaspoons of hot sauce (I prefer
Frank's RedHot Original Hot Sauce
). Brush the glaze onto the turkey and cover. After five minutes, brush on another layer of glaze and allow it to cook until the thigh meat registers 170°F (77°C). If you don't have a thermometer, at least poke the turkey with a skewer to see if the juices run clear. If the fluid that comes out contains traces of blood, continue to cook the turkey.
Remove the turkey from the grill and let sit for five minutes to let the juices redistribute (and the exterior to cool enough to touch).
Using folded paper towels or oven mitts (which you don't mind getting dirty), lift the turkey and pull out the beer can. Be careful because the beer can will still be hot and half full of hot liquid (beer and turkey drippings).
Carve (a pictorial is included in the
Classic Roast Turkey
article) and serve with your favorite accompaniments. The
giblet pan gravy
can be prepared using the beer from the can (after the oil has been removed) instead of the dry white wine from the gravy article.
This recipe tested pretty well. Parts of the drumsticks and the wings were a little dry (when compared to the oven roasted turkey) because they stick out while cooking. Even so, the turkey was complimented on its unexpected juiciness and full flavor.
Smoked Beer Can Turkey
Prepared Turkey
rub spice rub over skin, under skin, inside cavity
2 Tbs. (28 g) brown sugar
2 Tbs. (14 g) paprika
1 Tbs. (15 g) kosher salt
1 Tbs. (6.4 g) ground black pepper
1 tsp. (1.8 g) cayenne pepper
Prepared beer can
24 oz. beer can
remove top
pour beer and herbs in can
6 bay leaves
2 tsp. (2 g) dried thyme
12 ounces (355 mL) beer
Smoked Beer Can Turkey
Prepare grill for barbequeing with indirect heat
1 cup hickory wood chips
soak in water
place in metal container and onto grill
Prepared turkey
insert can into turkey
smoke until thigh meat reaches 160°F (71°C)
brush on glaze twice
smoke until thigh reaches 170°F (77°C)
Prepared beer can
2 Tbs. (28 g) brown sugar
2 Tbs. (30 g) ketchup
2 Tbs. (30 mL) distilled white vinegar
2 Tbs. (30 mL) beer
2 tsp. (10 mL) hot sauce
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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 6:42 pm
Post subject: Volatiles
I think I buy the beer-can-flavor thing. It's not just the water that boils off of the beer during cooking. It's anything with a boiling point below that of water. That includes the alcohol, and many of the flavor components of the beer. After all, you probably wouldn't taste much of the beer if it didn't contain numerous volatiles.
Plus, there are various chemical reactions that happen when you boil beer. I think of the beer can cooking method as a sort of cheap whiskey auto-basting.
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:44 pm
Post subject: Brining tip
A suggestion for the brining step in this process. We have brined our turkey the last few years and we don't have a container large enough for a turkey. Instead, we use the large plastic cooking bags by Reynolds. We have had to use both of them, just in case one leaks. We stick the bags and the turkey in a cooler. This might help out any of you that have limited space in your refrigerator.
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 7:46 pm
Post subject: I'm Making Turducken
Turducken is a deboned chicken inside a deboned duck inside a deboned Turkey. Three dressings are interlaced between the birds: cornbread, oyster and sausage. I hope Katrina didn't hurt the oyster beds too badly.
I learned how to make this when I attended a Paul Prudhomme radio show back in the eighties. He has the receipe in one of his cookbooks.
The first time I cooked it, it took me three days and two bottles of bourbon. The bourbon is not part of the recipe. Now I buy deboned birds and it takes about a day.
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Posts: 356
Location: Richmond, CA
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 9:01 pm
Post subject: Beer Turkey
Hey Michael,
Do you remember how much liquid was left in the can after the turkey had done it's smoking? Just curious because when I cook indirectly with a beer chicken, most if not nearly all of the liquid is left. When I do it pretty direct, a little is gone. Personally I think it's a nice way of holding the chicken upright.
My smoker ranges from 225F to maybe 250F, this is at grill level.
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Posts: 13
Location: Iowa/Chicago
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 9:02 pm
Post subject:
So did the beer flavor go into the turkey or was it more the seasoning. I have seen the can holders sold at stores and they say to use beer or any soda, coke flavored chicken does not really appeal to me!
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Michael Chu
Joined: 10 May 2005
Posts: 1654
Location: Austin, TX (USA)
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 11:41 pm
Post subject:
re: amount of beer remaining
It looked as if the beer level had not changed after cooking. Of course, there was a decent amount of fat and presumably juice from the turkey in the can as well - so it's hard to tell how much of the beer actually steamed.
re: flavor
I felt it was mostly the seasoning (herbs) and couldn't tell if any beer flavor actually was trasmitted to the turkey. For a real test, I'd have to prepare two turkeys (or more likely two small chickens with beer cans) - one with beer and one with water to see if there's a difference. Right now, I'm a little tired of eating poultry, so I need a bit of a break.
re: coke chicken
After I finished the turkey, Tina suggested that I try cooking a chicken with a glaze made of Coca-Cola. I know there's a Coca-Cola recipe book out there, but I don't have a copy. It sounds intriguing to me...
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Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 4:01 pm
Post subject: Coke glaze
There's a Nigella Lawson recipe for
ham with a Coca-Cola glaze
that might be of interest to you.
-- tom
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:43 pm
Post subject: Slight adjustments...
First off, welcome to the wonderful world of beercan cooking.
Now, does beer steam impart flavor aromatically? I say yes. Here's a simple experiment that will disprove your theory: Pour a can of beer into a saucepan and put heat to it. As it comes up to a boil you'll notice the smell immediately. Within minutes your whole house will smell like a brewery.
Poultry is a more difficult meat to infuse, however, so there are a few things you can do to stack the can in your favor. My technique is based on Steve Raichlen's book
Beer-Can Chicken: And 74 Other Offbeat Recipes for the Grill
First of all, you must use a dark beer. The darker the beer, the richer the flavor. I like to cook with Yuengling Black And Tan. It is full flavored without costing as much as a boutique beer.
Secondly, substitute the brine water with more beer. With a turkey this is gonna take a lot of beer, but with an average sized chicken, I never wind up using more than three cans or so.
Lastly, it helps to plug the neck hole to trap, thus recirculating the steam. Obviously you don't want it airtight but I like to shove an onion wedge in there.
I have also tried cooking a chicken over Coke as well as ginger-ale. I preferred the ginger-ale (the book has a great recipe that involves fresh ginger with the ginger-ale). I always come back to beer, though. Nothing seems to compliment the flavor of chicken more.
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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 3:26 pm
Post subject: Beer Varieties
So I have also done a beer turkey, but for larger birds, a small can doesn't cut it. Therefor I got the help of a small pony keg. Also, a dark winter beer like Pyramid's Snow Cap brings a more rich flavor to the gamey meat. Afterwards, the leftover beer can be used to make a gravy sauce. Any leftovers go well on sandwiches.
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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 9:16 pm
Post subject: turkey
That sounds great. We like anything cooked in beer. The fact is that we are hooked on deep fried turkey. We like Rice Oil because the smoke point is higher than peanut oil. We inject with a cajun sauce and 45 minutes later the turkey is perfect.
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 5:08 am
Post subject:
Hey. Nice how-to. I've made beer-can turkeys several times in the past, and discovered yours while looking for a refresher. It featured a lot of minutiae I intend to work into my process.
However, I would like to take you to task for the "new batch of charcoal" thing. Allowing a batch of charcoal to ash out, then starting with a whole new batch of hot coals, is almost like cooking the bird twice. You get your initial flash of heat twice, and thus have to watch for over-done skin twice. Pain in the ass!
The real way to do it is to replenish 5-10% of the coal pile with fresh coals every 30 minutes. These cold coals will slowly turn into fuel just as the old ones are ashing out, giving us the closest thing to even heat a charcoaler can get.
Incidentally, I'm trying my largest bird ever -- 26 lbs -- and I have had to raise the roof of my 22" Weber to accomodate the monster. I did so with 10 feet of 14" high aluminum flashing, fashioned into a ring that fits just inside the grill. Hopefully this should prevent heat loss while keeping the turkey sufficiently far from the fire to prevent the drumsticks from getting overdone.
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 4:42 pm
Post subject: Rest time
you need to let the turkey rerst longer than 5 minutes. That amount of time would be alright for a cut of meat, about 10-15 mins for a typical roast, but definitely upwards of 20 minutes for a turkey, if not a half-hour.
This may be why your thigh meat tested a bit dry. It should be the part of the turkey with the most moisture.
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smokin' in the South
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 5:12 pm
Post subject: culinary equipment
Sorry Gents - if I didn't know better I would have thought this was a forum for 'Cooking foir Liberal Arts Majors"....Any Engineer knows you have to use the right tool for the job! I cringed reading the part about having to patch the open part of the grill with aluminum foil because the bird was too big..Pleeze CAN YOU SPELL 'KLUDGE'?
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