iOS 7 - <AUTHOR> http://www.apple.com/ios/ios7/ <comment><USER2> This comment thread is why the internet is bashing so hard on HN. This is so extremely negative and hyperbolic, It's hard to understand. There are certainly things to be criticized in iOS 7, but invoking a plea to the holy lord for answers, is a bit extreme.

Can't we at least temper our criticisms with a few things we found positive and a good attitude?

Let me give it a try.

I am really excited about the control panel. It has a lot of very useful features that will save me time and frustration. However, I am concerned that the design of the control panel is busy and may make it difficult to make the correct selection quickly, we'll see.

<comment><USER3> This isn't Apple's UI, it's everybody who owns an iDevice's UI, and it looks like people are taking this redesign quite personally...time to switch? :/

<comment><USER4> I think I'd still prefer to look at iOS7 everyday than the turd of an interface that Android ships with

<comment><USER5> Honestly, theyre starting to look very similar.

<comment><USER6> Unless you've heavily modified your rooted android then yes. Otherwise, at least for me, iOS7 is so much more elegance and eye pleasing.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER7> Oh God why. I've got nothing against flat design done well, but this just makes everything so much harder to _SEE_.

Look at the example screen for "Control Center" \-- it looks like a geometric indistinguishable _mess_. The line around buttons is the same as the line dividing sections is almost the same as the line in sliders.

The example screen for weather shows thin white text against a light blue background, which I can barely make out on my monitor, let alone on a phone.

If anything, phones need _extra_ affordance as what is a label and what is tappable, since we have fat fingers, hold phones faraway where things are small, and often in bright sunlight where there's little contrast we can make out. Phones need _extra_ contrast, not less.

I'm really not one for hyperbole, but Steve Jobs must be rolling in his grave. This isn't about an aesthetic choice, it's just about common-sense usability and quality control. That weather app looks _completely_ useless in the real world, and the fact that Apple's internal processes have allowed this to be launched does not bode well.

<comment><USER8> Agreed. Did they do any kind of usability / legibility studies on the thinner typeface? I mean, I mostly use my phone to read email. Why would they reduce contrast on the default text and make it even harder to read?! Just because you have higher resolution screens, doesn't mean you can get away with a thinner sans serif. What's the point if everyone has to increase the size of the text to read it?

<comment><USER9> > Agreed. Did they do any kind of usability / legibility studies on the > thinner typeface?

No, of course they didn't. Apple is widely acknowledged in the industry as having amateurish design and an utter lack of anything resembling perfectionism or attention to detail.

Seriously, this _may_ be a flop from them, but I cannot comprehend the mindset that would surmise they did _no_ usability testing off a few screenshots.

<comment><USER10> > Apple is widely acknowledged in the industry as having amateurish design and > an utter lack of anything resembling perfectionism or attention to detail.

I would love to see your source on this one, because I never stop hearing the opposite.

<comment><USER11> Whoosh

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER12> I watched the key note with my girl friend - she is technical but still very much has a girls perspective and can be taken as a good representation of her friends.

She flipping loves this redesign and I'm pretty certain my not techie iPhone/iPad using parents will too - and that, is was really matters to Apple, that 98% of their market will love it and not just the 2% of us who build for their platform.

I like most of it, the colours are a bit much for me but in the main it will be refreshing to move on to something new. I have been toying with moving to Android but this redesign is enough to keep me on board - if I'm going to have to learn a new OS I may as well plump for the one most similar to what I already know

<comment><USER13> Also, it seems borderline crazy to think you can judge how well the colors will work from a screenshot.

I've never thought a screenshot of a mobile device's screen felt even _remotely_ like holding the thing in my hand.

<comment><USER14> If you have an iPhone you can basically see how it looks already; just go to apple.com and watch the example videos from your phone.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER15> has to be a homerun.

the last time the entire neckbeard web went apeshit like that was when they announced the iPad. and the iPhone before that. practically all forums are useless right now, including here.

guess that a lot of people also only see the screenshot, have not watched the screencast. iOS looks different in movement, the animations, parallax effect, etc. all add up.

the under the hood stuff is super, multitasking, app updates, per app vpn, etc. like christmas.

iOS7 will trigger a redesign of our own iPad app, it is a welcome agent of change as our (corporate) customers will not be able to hold these upgrades to iOS back as they did with Windows.

<comment><USER16> The nuts and bolts do indeed look pretty exciting. I can't wait to put it on my dev iPad tonight and start hacking away on my app.

Unlike my competition, I went 'flat' out of necessity when I launched last year (I found I could write 'bezierPathWithRoundedRect' a lot easier than I could draw a button in PixelMator). Who knows, maybe my app will look fresher in an iOS 7 context. It already looks utterly different to its competition (synthesizer apps), which are universally retro and skeuomorphic. Thanks to Apple for vindicating my laziness!

(Apologies to real designers: I do know there's more to flat design than not bothering to draw textures).

<comment><USER17> Not available on iPad yet.

<comment><USER16> Just got home and found that out; shame, but I don't mind waiting.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER18> The choice of colors and gradients look terrible. They made iOS look worse. They swung too far away from skeuomorphic design. Even the art on the icons, without considering the colors, look like an amateur drew them. Look at the SDK icon:

[http://i.imgur.com/JXw7KQA.png](http://i.imgur.com/JXw7KQA.png)

That is ugly. So is the iTunes icon, so is the Safari icon. Not a fan.

<comment><USER19> They tried to get away from skeuomorphism, but still some remains. Just look at PassBook or the ugly 3D browsing through tabs.

The whole design simply is not well thought out. This has clearly been rushed, which is not something I expect from Apple. If iOS 7 was leaked, people wouldn't believe it's the real thing. Sadly, it is.

I'm staying with Windows Phone.

<comment><USER20> I'm not sure if flipping through 3D browser tabs mimics a real-life affordance.

<comment><USER21> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZZLvVTWuJM](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZZLvVTWuJM)

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER22> Parallax is a nice touch.

At first glance, iOS 7 looks like a hybrid of Android and WebOS. Especially the card multi-tasking approach.

Notification center is cleaner but the colors are all over the place.

Lock screen is pure Android (animated wallpapers, etc.)

They might have made it too flat actually. A lot of text everywhere (the user will definitely get confused on what to tap and what not to tap) Cupertino might be used to UI but a lot of "ordinary" people are still pretty clueless when it comes to interacting with devices whether physical or virtual.

The Safari icon is simply atrocious, although the new Mac Pro looks like a really expensive trash can - I CANNOT believe Ive designed that product. It is just godawful.

Flashlight app? OK cool (RIP Flashlight app people)

Activation lock is a neat feature, probably a top-5.

Oh yeah, and photo filters - PHOTO FILTERS!!! They even included a square Instagram-like camera UI. Are you kidding me?

Apple did a great job of selling a BRAND much less so than selling great new products and features.

<comment><USER23> Agree 100% with you on the Mac Pro. It's a novel design, but I have no idea why they went with AMD processors instead of the upcoming Ivy Bridge E Xeon E5s, which will run circles around the best AMD has to offer...

<comment><USER24> What? They did use Xeons, they said so right in the keynote.

<comment><USER25> The Verge's liveblog was confused, they saw the AMD GPU logos and thought they were talking about the CPUs.

<comment><USER24> I don't know why someone would use a liveblog when they offered a very capable livestream. Also quite the rookie mistake considering the AMD logo they showed had "FireGL" written right on it.

<comment><USER26> It wasn't available on Windows, which many of us work on. Also, some work networks are more restrictive and block it.

<comment><USER24> It was, just not via any typical Windows browser because of their lack of support for HLS. Simply copying the URL into VLC would have worked.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER27> I realize that a lot of people will be focusing on the UI redesign for iOS 7, but the standout thing for me was automatic updates from the App Store. I think it's a huge thing for developers.

One of the biggest pains I think we face as developers is software fragmentation. So far Apple has done a very good job of having users update versions of iOS and keeping consistent with hardware specifications - it's probably one of the top three main drivers for why I develop primarily for iOS (sometimes solely for iOS). I'm thinking this reinforces that build-for-iOS- first mentality for developers. If the quality of apps is such a large factor in what's keep users loyal to the platform, this is an important point.

<comment><USER28> Yeah although a big question is: what will that do to battery life? People who install lots of gimmicky, frequently-updated apps and forget about them after trying them once will suddenly be at a loss as to why their device suddenly doesn't hold a charge as long as it did before.

I fear the auto-update feature combined with multitasking will drastically reduce the typical battery life of an iOS device.

<comment><USER29> Nothing indicated that updates would be instantaneous. It can wait until the phone is plugged in. They also seem to have gone out of their way to minimize battery impact. Apps lifecycles are still controlled by the system, which can presumably decide to suspect those activities if things get dire.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER30> I actually like the new look, a few of the icons seem off, but I bet they grow on me. The transparency and layers makes a ton of sense to me. Really love control center, I can't wait to have easy access to my brightness. New Photos app looks amazing. Airdrop will be fantastic. New background / multitasking is a huge win.

Biggest let down, no inter-app communication improvements. I think that's a huge problem on iOS now, one I was hoping would be addressed.

<comment><USER31> Can you please explain why transparency makes sense to you?

<comment><USER30> Maybe I won't like it in practice, but they sold me on "providing context."

<comment><USER32> You can barely see anything through that. Watch the parts where hes scrolling through photos, it's just a massive blur.

Olde' Vista Aero did this better.

<comment><USER33> Aero Glass showed exactly why UI translucency isn't a good idea. It made every single window title bar noisy and hard to read.

At least iOS 7 cranks up the blur radius.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER34> Apple is continuously playing catch up with iOS rather than innovating like they were known for in the Jobs era.

Most of these features are just copies of other popular apps/operating systems that came out over a year ago.

<comment><USER35> Obligatory flamebait response to your flamebait comment:

Android is a great R&D department. As long as it takes Apple less than three years to develop and deploy a feature they copy, Apple will still have it in the field on their devices before Android vendors do!

<comment><USER34> My comment isn't flamebait - I genuinely think iOS has played catch up to Android for the past 2-3 years.

But ya, vendors taking forever to update Android is a big problem. That's why I stick with Nexus devices.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER36> The more I read comments on HN the more I wonder - what kind of project does the company has to release in order to get a positive comments from HN readers. It just looks like there is a bunch of losers who hate everything that other people do and complain about everything they see, instead of just being happy for something...

<comment><USER37> > _what kind of project does the company has to release in order to get a > positive comments from HN readers_ [?]

A good one?

</comment></comment><comment><USER38> I really can't believe they released this. The pictures are sometimes full of everything, the colour choices are especially weird (white and blue, why?) and overall I really understand Jobs' and Forstall's vision of the iOS UI better than Ive's.

<comment><USER39> The color choice is one of the least weird things in this announcement. White and blue have been Apple's (and most of the internet's) go to colors for a decade.

</comment></comment><comment><USER40> [http://movies.apple.com/media/us/ios/ios7/f34c5445-5a9c-4b3a...](http://movies.apple.com/media/us/ios/ios7/f34c5445-5a9c-4b3a-9556-8efe89147559/shared_controlcenter/shared_controlcenter_keyframe.jpg)

To me, that looks just like the Samsung UI. (yes, Samsung copied the icon layout but you could still tell them apart... now Apple seems to have come the rest of the way to Samsung's side)

<comment><USER41> Some of that text is so hard on the eyes. How could they not have put a shadow behind the white text?

</comment></comment><comment><USER42> I can't even read these comments. They swing too wildly from people loving the redesign to hating it. Apple was never, ever, going to be able to live up to everybody's aesthetic standards.

<comment><USER43> Looks like the "polarizing" prediction was right. Reactions I've seen from most people are either "I love it" or "This is terrible".

I'm going to wait until it's in my hands and can play around with it.

</comment></comment><comment><USER44> There has been much talk of Microsoft as the model of a floundering corporate, stagnant and lacking leadership.

So, and this is perhaps a small detail, it does seem somewhat interesting, that both Google and now Apple, appear to have adopted Microsoft's flat UI approach.

</comment><comment><USER45> Wow. Apple basically took all the _shitty_ parts of Google's design philosophy and scaled it to epic proportions of fail.

Take a look at the text screenshot. It is hard to tell where I should touch to start typing. It is hard to tell where the buttons are. Overall, this is incredibly shitty UI.

<comment><USER46> > Take a look at the text screenshot. It is hard to tell where I should touch > to start typing.

My guess is, the text box below the message list, which in the same place as it is in every sms app on every modern phone platform, and which is the exact same shape as the text box was in the old iOS sms app ([http://i.imgur.com/jSGZADn.png](http://i.imgur.com/jSGZADn.png)), and which has the word 'send' next to it.

That's just a guess, though. I could be wrong.

</comment></comment><comment><USER47> Looks a lot like Windows Metro interface.

<comment><USER48> That's what I was thinking. I've had WinMo8 for about 6 months and a lot of the interface reminded me of applications on my device. It was WinMo8 with a splash of Android.

edit: And Apple made Bing the default search engine! [http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/apple-slips-default-bing- in...](http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/apple-slips-default-bing-integration- on-ios-7/)

</comment></comment><comment><USER49> Some here have said that iOS 7 has gone too far in the "flat" direction, but my feeling is that the move is an intentional repositioning on Apple's part. Removing most of the "texture" from the user interface has (outside of aesthetic concerns) been done primarily so that it can be added back in a new way in the future.

Ever since I saw this demo video for Senseg [1]:

[http://news.cnet.com/1606-2_3-50115714.html](http://news.cnet.com/1606-2_3-50115714.html)

I've thought long and hard about how Apple might use this in future iOS devices. This clean slate design feels to me like the first step to something more. I personally hope it has a lot to do with haptic feedback as adding another user interface dimension to these types of devices would be incredible.

[1] [http://senseg.com/](http://senseg.com/)

</comment><comment><USER50> So, this update might actually get me to switch back to iOS from Android. Anyone else?

<comment><USER51> I was thinking the exact opposite. I have been thinking about switching to Android for some time now. I think it is safe to say that I'll be switching to Android for sure now. I was not impressed with a lot of the changes to iOS 7 and think a lot of them are down right ugly (icons, blurred background everywhere).

</comment></comment><comment><USER52> Don't mind the flatness.

As someone who uses their ios devices mostly at night, I'm not looking forward to everything having a white background though.

I wish there was a theme that could be enforced on all apps that could be swapped at appropriate times. You know, like Windows 3.1 in 1990.

<comment><USER53> Just use the 'Invert Color' option. Configure Triple Click for it. I use it all the time. And with this new design, it will be even better in this scenario.

Personally, I don't think I will like the super flat design though. They are swinging the pendulum into the other extreme.

<comment><USER52> I do use that actually. But since there is no standard theme, it still means you will go from dark to light to dark blinding yourself in the process. Also triple click is hard to do right consistently, and since I have to do it over and over. :/

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER54> Not liking the design. The flat design mocks that were made by random people on Dribbble are better. The gradient in the mail icon is too much. It's like someone's first design in Photoshop back in 2000.

</comment><comment><USER55> I was hoping this would be cool to help apple get over the incredibly tired skeumorphism fetish Apple's stuck in.

but seriously meh...

it's like somebody discovered the 2 and 3 color gradient fill in illustrator and called it a day

the new airdrop stuff is cool, but no substitute for a proper intent architecture

and the backgrounds are now all white

meh

</comment><comment><USER56> 1\. The multi-tasking, switching between apps thing is exactly as it is in the android. 2\. The tabbed view in safari pretty much mimics Chrome

So much for apple creating their own distinctive UI/UX. I don't think you can convince a lot of people that Apple does things differently or 'in their own unque way' that easily with this update for ios. And I say this as someone who owns and develops for iOS only.

</comment><comment><USER57> Very unimpressed. They put lipstick on a pig. iOS was in need of a big update and this isn't it!

<comment><USER58> Whatever you wanted it was not what iOS needed.

</comment></comment><comment><USER59> Feels like KDE4, in a way. I think the graphical approach KDE took with KDE4, with new icons for example, made it look worse. It feels very much like Apple is no longer leading in the design department.

</comment><comment><USER60> The flat trend was widely expected since Ive's comment, the Windows Aero overlays were kind of ironic in a silly way, a great direction nonetheless.

</comment><comment><USER31> First feeling when i saw the icons: Shock! I still can't believe they came up with this mix of ios+windows+android UI. The whole thing looks like the phone of a 16y old girl. with candy on top. and syrup. As for the OS part, i think i no longer understand versioning.

<comment><USER61> But all the pundits will still lap this shit design up ...because its Apple. They've got some of the best designers on Earth, I just can't believe this is what they came up with for UI.

</comment></comment><comment><USER62> So they sold the 4th generation iPod Touch up until twelve days ago, but they won't support iOS 7 on it?

[http://www.apple.com/ios/ios7/features/](http://www.apple.com/ios/ios7/features/)

</comment><comment><USER63> I'm sorry, is this windows phone ?

</comment><comment><USER64> This looks like it's going to make a lot of nerds angry.

<comment><USER65> Everything Apple does _always_ makes a lot of nerds angry.

</comment></comment><comment><USER66> I still can't get over the choice to push in Bing. I know that both companies are hoping that the collaboration is going to equal good things for both of them but really, it is likely going to go the other way.

<comment><USER61> That's another really baffling choice. Microsoft must be paying Apple a bundle in kickbacks in order to make Bing the default search. Trying to unite against Google? Yahoo and Bing did the same thing. I'm sorry, Bing still sucks, no matter how their commercials try to convince me otherwise.

</comment></comment><comment><USER67> All I have to say about the redesign is: What looks cheap in still may seem anything but when its animated on a retina screen with the weight of the device in your hand.

Even now, it looks a lot better in video than in still.

</comment><comment><USER68> It appears that they still haven't changed the keyboard layout. You'd think in 7 revisions that they'd make _some_ adjustments to the keyboard. I am not a fan of the always uppercase.

</comment><comment><USER69> I can't believe everyone is going negative about this. In my opinion, the skeuomorphic aspects of IOS (and OSX) are among the biggest technology related annoyances I experience in 2013.

Imagine if Google Voice appeared as an antique telephone in the lower corner of the gMail app, and if each message was displayed as an envelope addressed with comic sans.

Flat design is simply, objectively better. The version shown today will likely evolve subtlety as Apple puts its unique stamp on flat.

</comment><comment><USER70> I love the update on their website too... They've managed to flatten everything.

</comment><comment><USER71> Still not moving back from Android (love my Nexus 4, 7, and 10) but this will be nice to play with on the iPad Mini I picked up a couple of weeks ago so I can stay current on iOS and help Mom with stuff remotely.

It's interesting to see how iOS and Android each go back-and-forth swiping features from each other (or from popular accessory apps; Apple's the worst at doing that).

</comment><comment><USER72> I really like it....

I suppose coming from a art background as well as a computer science background gives me a different perspective.

Its a good way of keeping up with the new trend of flat design without losing the iOS look and feel, my biggest fear for Apple is that they would have made a rip off of windows mobile, but here they haven't, they have made a really good balance.

</comment><comment><USER73> The biggest surprise for me was the apparent introduction of a "double tap" action to switch between apps in the new multitasking view. I couldn't understand what the advantage of that was over a single tap.

Has Apple used "double tap" in iOS before? It seems like something they'd studiously avoided in the past.

<comment><USER74> Double and triple click have been used for quite a while now [http://www.flickr.com/photos/adurdin/4944720731/lightbox/](http://www.flickr.com/photos/adurdin/4944720731/lightbox/)

<comment><USER73> I don't mean the home button. I mean tapping the screen. I just remembered it's used for the keyboard capslock, anywhere else?

<comment><USER74> I don't think that's double tapping, I think it's just not picking up taps properly while the items are still in motion due to the momentum in the scroll. The first time he seems to be able to single tap.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER75> The black iPhone is dead.

</comment><comment><USER76> Two things I hope to see in Android here, multitasking UI and tabbed notifications.

After Google poached WebOS staff, their card UI is really nice and pretty Palm-like. For some reason they haven't shamelessly stolen the WebOS multitasking UI like Apple just have. I really hope they do, because it'd fit Android perfectly.

That notification bar is really nice too, although it seems to be missing quick actions like Android has. 'Today' and 'missed' tabs seem like a good idea though, I'd like to see them on Android, and I'm sure Google could use Now to make the 'today' one seriously useful.

<comment><USER77> What do you mean? Android has a perfectly servicable multitasking UI already.

[https://developer.android.com/design/media/ui_overview_recen...](https://developer.android.com/design/media/ui_overview_recents.png)

<comment><USER76> Heh, this comment failed to post when HN was constantly erroring, and I posted a much more toned down version. I just prefer the orientation and layout of the webOS and iOS ones, especially on a tablet.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER78> This honestly just looks like they are taking a bunch of apps, each with their own individual uses, and deciding which ones they want to include as part of the core package and over glorifying their uses. I can see a lot of these features being cool at first, but quickly to be turned off and remained unused in order to conserve battery. Nice presentation and seems like it'll do well selling to the general public, but doesn't seem to amount to much actual material benefits when you think it through. Of course, this is all still speculation so we shall see.

</comment><comment><USER79> A couple of things after having played around with it on my iphone 5 for a while.

1\. It "feels" slower, might be because it's not 100% optimized yet, but what I suspect is causing this feeling is the new animiations. Everything just feels sluggish, kind of like using an android feels to me.

2\. It appears harder to locate things in apps.

3\. The paralax animiations arent all that obvious and doesnt add as much depth as I initially thought it would.

4\. Some of the app redesigns are really nice (address book for instance).

5\. The thin font is really hard to see sometimes.

6\. The new design of the notification view is really nice.

That's it for now.

</comment><comment><USER76> New multitasking is really nice, Google should have kept that orientation etc instead of how they did it. The notifications look good too, although they seem to be missing quick actions?

</comment><comment><USER80> The part that most worries me is that this doesn't seem like such a different interface from things I've already seen.

What happened to the "Think Different" Apple?

</comment><comment><USER81> I feel like Control Center is Apple finally taking onboard the fact that SBSettings is one of the main reasons people jailbreak their phones. It's been interesting to see all the jailbreak features that came out like 5 years ago slowly making their way into iOS (e.g. multitasking, interactive lockscreen). Not that they really 'worked' on iPhone3 mind you, but they did exist.

</comment><comment><USER82> I... I like it. I did breifly try to use Android last year (very expensive mistake) and they've nicked the two or three good things from the nexus / flat blue 'droid theme, plus FINALLY a fast way to turn wifi and bluetooth on and off, like on the droids.

I'm interested to see how long it takes the old UI to look antiquated to me. Isn't human reaction to fashion interesting? :)

</comment><comment><USER24> I love how people are simultaneously describing it as un-original and a ripoff while also invoking Android, WebOS, Windows Phone and Windows 7 Aero as to what it's "ripping off".

Maybe it's actually original? If you think this is Windows Phone, you've never spent any time on that platform. Windows Phone is defined by solid colour tiles and typography. iOS 7 isn't, at all.

<comment><USER26> Just a guess, but I think they're more referring to WP's lack of depth in the UI - everything is flat.

<comment><USER24> True, but this also isn't the case. Flat is just a quick descriptor for the icons, when really "simple" would be more apt. It's really not flat in practice.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER83> What I'm excited about:

1\. Being able to change WiFi, brightness and other "Settings" options from the home screen.

2\. An animated weather app with cooler design and more information.

Those are two really big things for me. I don't even focus on the flat design right now - those functions on the home screen are part of why I jailbreak.

Now, if they could have Messages send popup notifications for new texts, this would be even better.

</comment><comment><USER84> One thing that I find a little jarring is going from a dark background to a light background. It might not be so much of an issue on a small device / screen, but it's the kind of thing that you feel in your eyes - if say you were looking at it in the dark. I'd probably rather one, or the other. Or be able to flip between the two styles.

</comment><comment><USER85> I'm definitely not a fan of the new colors. Here are two screenshots I took of iOS 7 installed on my iPhone 5. The Apple app colors are too garish for me and white against gray is a bad combination for people with 50+ vision.

[http://imgur.com/P8WxfcJ,Fec5RAH#1](http://imgur.com/P8WxfcJ,Fec5RAH#1)

</comment><comment><USER86> Although clearly not completely resolved, there are a number of really interesting ideas at play. The programmatic and reactive color schemes that we first saw in iTunes for album art, for example is really nice.

The parallax effect looks fun but it will have to be subtle enough to not be gimmicky after a week or two.

</comment><comment><USER87> Suddenly, Android and WP no longer look so lame. Apple may have improved its UI/UX of iOS, but only at the cost of losing its distinctive taste.

The inspiration from the original design would continue along the third-party apps and some of them would gain significant users just for its non-flat graphic theme.

</comment><comment><USER88> Nice video but pretty surprised to see people reading off cue cards instead of talking directly to the viewer. Comes off as a little unpolished and jarring. I just kept wanting is say, hey, I'm over HERE, not off camera - who's over there that you keep talking to instead of me?

</comment><comment><USER89> I'll have to use the UI on a device to determine if I like it or not. All the blue, pink, and white reminds me of Flickr. I'm disappointed we didn't get custom default apps or the ability to set a custom search engine. I want to use DuckDuckGo with Safari.

</comment><comment><USER90> For ease of recognition, the positive and negative spaces of a given form should be about equal in area. In this respect iOS 7 fails miserably. It's as if they've forgotten hundreds of years of collective design wisdom.

</comment><comment><USER91> On the theme that the "medium is the message"...

The tone of the voiceover is of one taking oneself a little too seriously, I think. What's more I felt it overbearing and that it occluded the message.

Are others liking the "medium" here?

</comment><comment><USER91> On the theme that the "medium is the message"...

The tone of the voiceover is of one taking oneself a little to seriously, I think. What's more I felt it overbearing and that it occluded the message.

Are others liking the "medium" here?

</comment><comment><USER91> On the theme that the "medium is the message"...

The tone of the voiceover is of taking oneself a little too seriously, I think. What's more I felt it overbearing and that it occluded the message.

Are others liking the "medium" here?

</comment><comment><USER92> IOS7 settles it. Jony Ive is a best industrial designer but medicore UI designer.

</comment><comment><USER93> It's time for a 7.1 like microsoft did it with windows... I can't believe that steve controlled all this and pushed it in the right direction. And now apple takes the same route to the ground....

</comment><comment><USER94> Metro done right! (well, _much better_ at least)

> distinct functional layers help establish hierarchy and order and the use of > translucency give you a sense of your context

...when the MS design guys ditched Aero style aesthetics of skeumorphism and transparency, they actually _threw the baby with the bath water_ , they didn't realize that layering and transparency are the missing ingredient for adding order and hierarchy to flat design. yeah, avoiding hierarchy and "flat is better than nested" are good ideas, but for any non trivial GUI you need _some_ order and hierarchy, and transparency is the only thing left to use for this after ditching skeumorphism. as usual, Apple gets design right! (though kind of late...)

</comment><comment><USER95> This is what the home screen reminds me of (NSFW): [http://oglaf.com/rainbowcake/](http://oglaf.com/rainbowcake/)

</comment><comment><USER96> i don't think you can distinguish between ios/metro/android designs any more.

the recent design shrieks of adolescence.

who here predict a wave of apps that go back to earlier designs?

</comment><comment><USER97> Looking forward to seeing [https://news.layervault.com/](https://news.layervault.com/) doing code reviews.

</comment><comment><USER98> These gradients on icons just look ugly. Really ugly. And the interface is too ethereal, too much blurry. Some things are really cool, some aren't.

</comment><comment><USER99> The iOS 7 examples look like something My Little Pony puked up in a general configuration of something similar to Windows Phone 8.

Maybe Bronies are the target market?

</comment><comment><USER100> Sadly, for those families where the iPad is just another shared computing device, it would appear that there is still no multi-user support. Bummer.

</comment><comment><USER101> Interesting that Siri, doesn't know what Google is?? Looks like Bing is going to make some traction amongst search engines.

</comment><comment><USER102> Some of the apps like Weather, notification center, Stocks look brilliant, other seem too white. Why is it so damn white?

<comment><USER103> Weather appears to be a de-branded Yahoo Weather, but instead of local backgrounds pulled from flickr, there are generic animated backgrounds. I hope Yahoo Weather continues to exist.

<comment><USER104> exactly!

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER105> I would like to try it before commenting, but goddamn, do those icons look ugly. What the hell are those gradients?

</comment><comment><USER106> Looks very Windows 3.11-ish. Cluttered (crammed, even) screen estate and limited multitasking.

</comment><comment><USER107> developer.apple.com is down since launch. Can I download iOS7 elsewhere?

</comment><comment> brown9-2 Interesting that all of the demo pictures are with the white iPhone.

</comment><comment><USER108> [In a small voice] I like the changes.... [run and hide]

</comment><comment><USER109> Flat, Rich Text ,Gentle Beam, mess up, etc

</comment><comment><USER110> And still no official WebGL support...

</comment><comment><USER111> Aah ... It tastes _Android_ :)

</comment><comment><USER112> The parallax effect is pretty cool.

</comment><comment><USER113> iOS 7 = iOS + Metro + Android = iMetroid.

Not bad looking in my opinion, if a little bit weak on color choices.

</comment><comment><USER114> This is an absolute outrage! WAH!

</comment><comment><USER115> Looks like Apple on Anderoids

</comment><comment><USER21> the icon gradients look amateurish and the safari icon is just horrendous.

</comment><comment><USER116> Let's prepare class suit against Apple on our sight loss.

</comment><comment><USER92> ios7 flat ui reminds me latest ugly gmail ui.</comment>


Infosec startup Ionic Security raises $25.5M from Google, Kleiner - <AUTHOR> http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/blog/atlantech/2014/02/ionic-security-raises-255m-from.html?page=all <comment><USER2> Congrats to Adam & Team!

I saw a very early demo when Adam was still building Social Fortress, and it was a plugin that encrypted all content being posted to the web (Facebook, Twitter etc) by default, and decrypted it only for those clients who had the plugin installed.

It's hard to tell how exactly Ionic works now. The website is somewhat light on details, perhaps intentionally. I'd really love to find out how Ionic's platform works.

</comment><comment><USER3> Does anyone know of a consumer product for Dropbox that does something like this?</comment>


Ask HN: Where do you go to get recruiters to find you a job? - <AUTHOR> I'm looking for a new role, but would like to work with recruiters to reduce time consuming job searches and applications. Where can you go to basically announce to recruiters that it's worth their time to find a good job match for you, rather than just spam by keywords?
I'd like to be able to continue to be a good employee at my current job, have time to spend with my family, and develop my side projects. So I'd much prefer a recruiter to go to bat for me so all I'd have to do is show up for the interview.
I'm leaving because I feel that both professional and skill growth at my current company is limited, but otherwise have a good relationship with everyone I work with, so I'm in no rush to do an intensive job search on my own.
Thanks HN! <comment><USER2> LinkedIn is pretty good at getting you spammed out to recruiters. Be careful, though. Do some research before you start negotiating benefits and pay. Know what you are worth!!

Maybe you work with some consultants at your current job? Maybe ask one of them to circulate your CV to their agencies. They often get in-roads to other companies before they go to the public via things like Monster or Dice.

Xing is pretty good in Europe.

</comment><comment><USER3> Do you have LinkedIn?</comment>


Ask HN: What did you do to recover after a herniated spinal disc? - <AUTHOR> <comment><USER2> After 3 decades of once or twice-a-year back injuries (that took a few weeks to heal), in 2015 it didn't ever get better.

MRI revealed bulging discs and herniation causing sciatica (which was a first) which varied from a mild, deep butt-muscle pain; to extreme, radiating all the way down to my ankle and sometimes my right testicle.

NSAID anti-inflamatory drugs didn't do much. I was very lucky to find a Physical Therapist who was said to be "good with backs."

After a few sessions we found a combination of stretches and exercises that provided relief.

Basically, my sciatic nerve was being impinged as it passed between vertebra as it exits my spinal column. The stretches were some specific rotations of upper body relative to lower body, which pretty quickly provided relief any time I needed it.

Then some core strengthening which took a lot longer.

Most important is to prevent re-injury through learning how to lift the right way (or actually more important - how to lift the wrong way so you know not to do it again).

I've spoken with plenty of people who've had surgical repairs. Some worked. Many of them didn't, and those people encouraged me to try every possible thing under the sun before considering surgery. I was prepared to pray, swim, stretch, exercise, acupuncture, yoga, learn ballet, become vegan, non-GMO, gluten-free, Santeria, voodoo - just about anything.

I got lucky.

<comment><USER3> Can you provide some examples of the stretches you were doing?

<comment><USER2> The Lumber Stretch here: [http://www.modestomassagetherapy.com/stretching.html](http://www.modestomassagetherapy.com/stretching.html) The second one, start off in a Jesus Christ pose, scoot your feet toward your butt while keeping your knees together. Then rotate your lower half as far as you can keeping your knees together like the diagram. Hold it there for a while, 10 seconds or so. Return to center, then rotate the other direction and hold. Do about 10 reps.

The other one is here: [http://edgemontchiro.com/twist-and-shout/lumbar- rotation-str...](http://edgemontchiro.com/twist-and-shout/lumbar-rotation- stretch/) It looks the same at first but is quite different. Begin by laying on your side with knees together and feet as close to your butt as you can, and laying your arms together straight ahead of you. This is the starting "closed" position. Then, keeping your upper arm straight, rotate the upper body and shoulders as far "open" as you can like the lady in the picture. Hold "open for 10 seconds or so, and then close again. Do this about 10x each side.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER4> August 2014 I was taking suitcases out of a vehicle and a few days later found myself in so much pain that I threw up while trying to get out of bed. Went the physical therapy and steroid route. Not very much results. To the point that three months later I bent down to pick up a piece of paper and could not get up. After 45 minutes of laying on the floor swearing in pain my daughter called 911 and I took the first ambulance ride of my life. I walk 5 miles a day, but for two months could not walk from my bedroom to the kitchen.

I have collapsed disk at L2/L3 and to a slightly lesser extent L4. Four doctors said surgery was the only answer. I went to that many trying to find a different answer as I had heard so many stories of failed back operations. Plus a few years ago a 25 year old kid that worked for me went in for "minor" back surgery. He left St Francis Hospital in a hearse. They cut a blood vessel, did not realize it and he internally bleed to death.

Instead of surgery I went with steroid injections in my back and a chiropractor. Both helped somewhat. The chiropractor suggested I try Yoga. Weird thing for a socially conservative midwestern kid (who is now 60), but at that point I'd try anything.

Yoga saved me. I started with restorative and now do mixed level. I can now keep up with many of the guys 20 plus years younger than me. A friend had a bad back since a car accident a decade ago. I convinced him to try Yoga and he has had similar positive results.

Is my back perfect now? No, but probably close to what it was before I realized it was damaged

You should talk to your doc about Yoga.

</comment><comment><USER5> I had a severe L4/L5 herniated disc. After several months of agonizing pain I was just about ready to get on the surgery schedule with an orthopedic surgeon (Microdiscectomy). I had tried everything -- PT, prescription pain meds, acupuncture, supplements, bed rest.

The same day I saw the surgeon to schedule my surgery, I figured what the heck, I'll try anything before I get my back cut open. I went to a great, well-reviewed chiropractor, who gave me a thorough assessment and promised improvements in the next 2 months, such that I would not need surgery. I was very skeptical, but went along with it. Her adjustments and analysis did end up helping me a lot, and alleviated a lot of the pain coming from the sciatic nerve. But more than anything this bought me some time.

During this time, I read Healing Back Pain by Dr. John Sarno [0]. Many people recommended his work to me, but again, I was skeptical. I had an MRI scan showing very real structural damage to my spine and I truly didn't believe that thinking my way out of the pain would help. I read the book anyway, and I swear, the pain began dissipating. I began to adopt a new mindset -- my back is fine, the pain is arising out of my stress and awareness of the injury, not the injury itself-- and it truly worked. It's been over a year now since reading the book, and I feel leaps and bounds better. I'm back to doing the things I love (cycling, lifting weights, running), and I'm about 90% pain free. I still have some off days and I listen closely to my body when they happen. I stretch a lot, don't sit for hours at a time, and do basic mobility work every day -- these are things I want to be doing anyway, but my disc issue is even more impetus to do them.

If you're seriously considering surgery, do yourself a favor and read this book first. If you're anything like me, you'll be wildly surprised and completely grateful you did.

[0][https://www.amazon.com/Healing-Back-Pain-Mind-Body- Connectio...](https://www.amazon.com/Healing-Back-Pain-Mind-Body- Connection/dp/0446557684)

</comment><comment><USER6> Ayurveda. Come to Kerala, India. I am only writing this because I would do it myself if I were in that situation. Not based on scientific evidence. Just a few personal observations of close relatives like my mother and aunt.

My aunt had a spinal injury that basically left her not able to move her body below the waist. As a last resort she was taken to a Ayurveda practitioner who bascially fixed her back up. She even goes fo zumba lessons now.

You basically have to give up everything else for several months and go through painful therapy and massages and also follow a strict terrible tasting diet.

</comment><comment><USER7> I'm not a doctor but I've had a herniated disc for 23 years. Your mileage may vary.

Let me tell you what didn't work first. Pain meds didn't work. NSAIDs will tear your stomach up even with short-term use. Don't use them for more than a few days.

Being careful didn't work. No amount of being careful works because your muscles will always atrophy to make you a little weaker than you need to be to go about your daily routine.

It took me, 10 years to figure that out. You need to go full tilt the other direction.

As another fellow said here, walking, and then running. Will build strength gently. But even with diligence, I would still injure my back twice a year during the course of normal life activities.

Then, someone told me about a TENS machine. Get one that can output 100mv (I can recommend one if you'd like), and use it when your back is hurt. They are miracle workers.

The thing that freed me from pain was this-- the "stiff-legged deadlift". I very slowly worked my way up from no weight, to about 125 which seems to be all I can reasonably do.

You can't do this in a vacuum, you need to do it as a part of a whole program.

Let me know if I can be of any assistance.

</comment><comment><USER8> Build core strength while avoiding spinal flexion as explained in Stuart McGill's book "Back Mechanic".

</comment><comment><USER9> I had a herniated disc last fall. It took a good 2 months to get to a point where I could walk and sit properly again. It still hurts my tailbone to sit for more than a few minutes. I can sit for longer if I use an ergonomic chair. My chair's seat is shaped to take pressure off my tailbone. I can further reduce that pressure by tilting the chair back so the pressure shifts to my back. It's tough when I have to be in places that aren't at home or work. Even if I'm tired and just want to rest, I can't do so for very long. Sitting on pretty much anything incurs mild to moderate pain and I always have to explain it to people. It's been almost a year and it seems to just stay this way without improving any further. Doctors are surprisingly inept when it comes to back problems.

</comment><comment><USER10> Similar to what some others have said - I found a good therapist (in my case I was referred to a very good exercise physiologist by a physio who checked that I was basically otherwise healthy).

I learned to fix up some movement patterns. Some changes were surprisingly small - just a few degrees difference in how I held my pelvis made a huge difference. I had to learn when to "tighten" my core when moving and lifting and when it is safe to let it relax a bit. The difference has been dramatic. I had back pain even as far back as highschool basically just because of bad mechanics. I do somewhat wish I'd learnt better biomechanics sooner but I can't really complain - I've never been in less pain since my early teens.

</comment><comment><USER11> I went the surgery route, I had a Microdiscectomy. It was a minimally invasive surgery which I felt relief immediately after. Before the surgery I was barely able to walk and couldn't sit down for more than 10 minutes at a time. After about a week of taking it very easy I was able to return to work where I sit in a chair most of the day.

I was given the choice of physical therapy or surgery, I couldn't stand the pain much longer and wanted to stay away from opioids, so I chose surgery.

Sometimes after heavy activity it flairs up and gets sore but it's completely manageable, enough where I don't have to take anything for the pain.

</comment><comment><USER12> Lay on my back for about 3 months and became reliant on tramadol and neuropathic pain medication (gabapentin).

I'm still taking the later and I have a sneaking suspicion that it's still keeping some discomfort at bay, it doesn't work for everyone.

Once I felt well, I very slowly returned to the gym, took up swimming on a doctors advice and am even at a point where I do quite light deadlifts and low back exercise (with great care and attention to form). I believe swimming was paramount in my recovering along with a lot of care over my posture and using a McKenzie roll in my car whilst driving.

</comment><comment><USER13> Running (I started when I felt absolutely well). It increased my core strength. I spend 5-6 hours running every week. And to reach that point took me approx. 3-4 years. On a way I have found a physiotherapist who consults me on every injury I experience on the way. After getting into the shape I have not experienced any setbacks.

To start running I have invested a lot of time into my core strength and muscle stretches.

There is no silver bullet. If you want to have a free pain life you have to invest into your health at least 1h per day in a form of exercises. It must become your life style. Very few people do that.

</comment><comment><USER14> Not so much recovery but making sure I don't get a slipped disc again. Don't slouch!

Even though it can get uncomfortable, make sure you sit up properly. And if it starts to ache, have a stretch and/or go for a walk around. Go get a cup of tea, ask your co-worker a question, anything that gets you up for a 3 minute walk.

And one thing I've learnt the hard way while swimming, if you've pulled a muscle in your back, do not push yourself until you feel 100% better. Thinking that you feel 90% better and you can probably get back to swimming or lifting etc. quite often makes things worse.

</comment><comment><USER15> My MRI showed a herniated disc and an epidural of steroids briefly helped but I also had an undiagnosed case of Ulcerative Colitis that was actually the real problem (I think). Anyway, the pain is real and profoundly debilitating but, despite occam's razor, it is possible that a herniated disc is a red herring and the underlying problem is something else. In my case, managing the colitis solved 90% of the pain, etc. If pt and gabapentin and steroids aren't helping, spur your doctor to consider investigating non-spinal culprits before submitting to the knife.

</comment><comment><USER16> I had a 15.5 mm herniation and had to get surgery, my sciatic nerve was pinched to the point I had numb feeling in my left leg. I'm two years removed from surgery I'd say I'm 97% squared up but at times I can still feel it.

Please get an MRI if it's less than 8 mm, you should be able to avoid surgery, but see a specialist (neurologist specializing with back). Ice it don't heat be careful lifting heavy weights or deadlifting (thats what caused mine). Good luck

</comment><comment><USER17> I've been in it for 20 years now.

My advice:

\- when an acute period kicks in, take painkillers and try to keep as active as you can. No lying in the bed all day long, that will make things worse

\- don't sit too much. Buy yourself a standing desk. I've been working 9 to 17 at a standing desk for 3 years. No acute periods since then!!!

\- swim and walk a lot

\- don't lift heavy things at all. Let others do that for you

\- keep calm

</comment><comment><USER18> Make sure you get an MRI to understand the severity. I tried PT, electro therapy, spinal injections, yoga, deep tissue massages, but nothing was long term. I eventually needed to get a microdiscectomy which proved to be a life changer.

</comment><comment><USER19> C5/C6 herniation about 10 years ago. Did the standard range of NSAIDS and PT. Useless and wound up needing prescription pain meds to get+stay asleep. Declined steriod injection because I wanted to debug.

What fixed it (on first treatment though I did 8 sessions) was the DRX9000 traction machine. The VAX-D probably would have worked too. Had to go to a physiatrist who insisted on doing homeopathy/BS saline injections so he could bill insurance. Though I had a cervical issue, these machines at their core are designed for spinal and the cervical treatment is an extension, I believe. What they do is slowly stretch you for 20-30 mins as you watch TV.

No relapse in the last 10 years though I've been careful about posture, use 4 wheel roll-along luggage, and sleep with fewer pillows - generally try to keep my head more aligned.

I was about a month away from doing ablation to have the goo sucked out of the offending disc. That probably would have worked, but I am related to a number of doctors, all of whom recommended staying away from surgery except as very last resort, especially near the spine.

Interestingly, internationally they have silicon and other disc replacement techniques as well whereas in the US generally treatment still tends to be NSAIDs+PT, then steroid shot, then fusion despite the collateral stress that can ensue from that on adjacent vertebrae.

Post 'fix' MRI looks almost the same as 'pre', which is interesting and gets to the micro tolerances involved.

2 non-standard treatment notes:

Tried Chiropractic as 1st treatment on common friend recommendation but never again. The practitioner started yanking before xray even though it was pretty clear (I now know) from my specific pain sites what was going on. An interesting question to ask a potential Chiro is "what diseases can and can't be cured with Chiropractic?"

Interestingly, along the way, I went once to an accupuncturist recommended by my Tae Kwon Do master and with 4 pins all symptoms went away instantly - for a few hours. Successive treatments had much less effect so I only went twice.

Good luck with your recovery!

In the grand scheme of things it was minor vs. other medical stuff, but I was unhappy about pain meds (and fingers starting to get numb after many months) so it seemed a huge deal at the time.

Big lesson for me was - with the human body, even more than the internet (but true for both), the amazing thing is not that they break but that they ever work well in the first place.

Happy to discuss my course if anyone is caught up in this, but I have no formal medical background and my case probably differs from everyone else's. Email avi at freedman dot net</comment>


The Illustrated TLS Connection - <AUTHOR> https://tls.ulfheim.net/ <comment><USER2> It's a lovely guide. Saves a lot of time vs reading the RFCs when you just want to debug a session state flow/log/packet capture.

The one thing I wish it had was better tracing of branch points like session resumption. It would make walking session state logs simpler.

I ran into this while trying to figure out if the open source Kubernetes nginx ingress supported session resumption on the upstream side (it doesn't; a deficiency in the lua balancer). While the diversion into nginx source and other sundries was nice, I could have saved that time :)

</comment><comment><USER3> Prior comments: [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18200749](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18200749)

</comment><comment><USER4> That was absolutely fantastic.

It'd be a pleasure to see a version for 1.3, but not all Maintained SSL libraries implement it yet, [https://github.com/ARMmbed/mbedtls/issues/508](https://github.com/ARMmbed/mbedtls/issues/508) mbedTLS tls for example appears not to have it landed. This is one library often used in IoT environments

<comment><USER5> > It'd be a pleasure to see a version for 1.3

[https://tls13.ulfheim.net/](https://tls13.ulfheim.net/) (linked at the bottom)

<comment><USER4> Thanks! I totally missed it.

I find it silly how many places legacy versions are hard coded for compatibility.

<comment><USER5> As I recall, this came out right on the cusp of TLS 1.3; so TLS 1.2 was what was currently deployed. Timing was awful for me, because I was working on a TLS 1.3 project, and this would have been super useful, but wasn't yet available.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER6> One including mutual authentication would be appreciated</comment>


Rate my Splash page - <AUTHOR> http://www.artsicle.com

<comment><USER2> I'd change the message a bit: "Lend. Buy. Create." should be something like "Patonize. Create." and patronize would contain both elements. The person who wishes to invest in art sees himself as a noble figure and "Loan. Buy." is a bit prosaic.

I'd also change the text under Create to not say "We know you are the next big thing." If I were interested in participating in the patronage program, that text would scare me off. I'd want an expert guiding my investment into truly promising, well-vetted artists, not just any schlub who wants to paint his cat. The selection process should be difficult and not all-inclusive.

Are you coming to Miami for Art Basel? Meetup?

<comment><AUTHOR> Would love to make the Miami show but not sure if its in the cards this year.

Thanks for your feed back. It definitely rings true. Changed Loan to Lend. We've been throwing around the patronize term a bit but not committed to it yet.

Our model does not intend any schlub to get funding thankfully. We intend to have our class of artists vote in any incoming members and have a stack overflow sort of reputation system to decide who can even post a loan listing.

Are you in Miami, or just going to Art Basel?

<comment><USER2> I'm in Miami and I go to the art events now and then. I was planning to do an Art Basel Facebook+iPhone app but my time ran out before I could even get the funding together.. C'est la vie

<comment><AUTHOR> This just in. We will be in Miami at Art Basel! Would love to meetup if you get the chance iPhone/Facebook app or no

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER3> Looks good. Direct investment is a nice growing space.

</comment><comment><AUTHOR> Feedback is appreciated.</comment>


The Dutch Village Where Everyone Has Dementia - <AUTHOR> http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/11/the-dutch-village-where-everyone-has-dementia/382195/?single_page=true

<comment><USER2> I have never delved into the issue, but the model that Japan and other countries have adopted where the young take care of the old, has always seemed to me the most humane and stimulating solution for the elderly. I don't feel it corresponds well with how modern society works, and my impression is that that model is fading in popularity in Japan as well, but I certainly believe there are innumerable positives to extract from that kind of care-taking.

Along with other speculation such as a seafood-heavy diet, it seems to me to be the reason that Japanese people live the longest.

(Nope, not a single thread of evidence in my post, Sorry. A quick google search somewhat agrees though)

<comment><USER3> There's some side effects of the custom as well. For example, in Japan and Korea (and possibly parts of China), the custom is for the woman to move in with the husband's family where she'll spend most of her time providing household services and attending her parents-in-law every wish. Her mother-in- law, having done the same thing is now ready to relinquish her role as the home caretaker and well...mother-in-law/daughter-in-law friction (at truly dysfunctional levels) is a common theme in conversation, movies, tv shows, books, etc.

In Korea, being cursed with a difficult mother-in-law is a leading cause of divorce.

It more or less guarantees to take women out of the workforce as they now have a house to run, take care of the kids _and_ the in-laws. And unless you don't have kids or your husband's parents are dead or otherwise able to care for themselves, there's nothing you can do about it.

Not surprisingly Japan and South Korea have among the lowest female workforce participation among OECD countries.

It also means that incentive for higher education among women is mostly as a social marker for marriage, but then any education is thrown away once she gets married (and especially once she has a child).

This also puts enormous pressure on the husband to be the sole provider for himself, his wife, any kids, _and_ his parents.

What about the daughter-in-law's parents? Well, they better have had a son at some point who finds a wife who will take care of them.

The list of social issues that come from this arrangement are long and madness inducing to study (or live with).

(edit) I'd add, there's a culture-bound psychological syndrome that's related to this [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hwabyeong](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hwabyeong)

<comment><USER4> > There's some side effects of the custom as well.

Is this truly a side effect of the idea itself, or is this peculiar to Asian culture?

I'm a man, but if we had to care for my in-laws, I wouldn't consider this a burden. If anything, the opposite is quite true... my in-laws have always helped my wife and I through rough spots when they could.

We could adopt the custom without all of the baggage you describe, if we were so inclined.

<comment><USER3> Well keep in mind that this has two effects

1) If you _don 't_ want to care for your in-laws, there's little social safety net for them to retire on. Society is structured around this form of retirement.

2) Many women are now choosing not to get married in order to avoid being their mother-in-law's personal servant.

Here's a good writeup on the role [http://msleetobe.wordpress.com/2010/06/18/on-obstacles-to- wh...](http://msleetobe.wordpress.com/2010/06/18/on-obstacles-to-white- western-female-korean-male-long-term-relationships-part-2/)

 _One of my Korean friends who married a Canadian man told me that one of the greatest perks of having a Canadian husband was that she did not have a demanding mother-in-law. They are legendary in Korea. Whether or not all mother-in-laws are as evil as they are sometimes portrayed, in general it is safe to say that they are somewhat more demanding, and the cultural expectations of a daughter-in-law are greater than in the mainstream Canadian context. My friend loves that during family gatherings she is a guest in her mother-in-law's house instead of a worker serving men who do nothing but socialize and drink. She loves that she is not responsible for cleaning her mother-in-law's house and does not have to prepare the enormous amount of food necessary for ancestral memorial rituals (and then be excluded from the ceremony because she is a woman). For her, marriage to her husband is about her relationship with her husband and not duty toward her mother-in-law._

I agree that there's cultural aspects of this. But there are always side effects of some sort. So adopting a model like this might mean that some of the unintentional side effects might come along as well.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> Senior care is actually quite innovative. The Pebble Project ([https://www.healthdesign.org/pebble](https://www.healthdesign.org/pebble)) works on design of healthcare facilities to promote patient safety (among other things). I attended a lecture by one of the directors, he talked about things like lining dementia units with dark tile. Dementia patients like to walk and often will wander away. The contrast between dark and light tile creates a sense of water or a hazard, and patients tend not to cross it. So at the entrance and exit of nursing units, at doorways to medication rooms, they lay a row of dark tiles to prevent wandering.

</comment><comment><USER6> Inconsistent spelling of names in the article: is it Hogeway or Hogewey? (It's Hogewey. Or De Hogeweyk, which is the name of the fake neighbourhood, whereas Hogewey is the name of the nursing home operating in it.) And the town it's in is called Weesp rather than Wheesp.

Other than that, cool article. It's not far from where I live, but I'd never heard of it. Hard to get in, apparently. I hope they open more places like this before my parents get to the point where they might need it.

</comment><comment><USER7> Very interesting article.

Nitpicking: Why do they give the cost for this solution "per month", and then for comparison the costs in the US "per day" and "per year"? Did they choose to make it harder to make a comparison??

<comment><USER5> Agreed.

Hogewey = $8,000/month or $96,000/year.

US Average = $90,500/year.

Perhaps their comparison was to point out that for roughly the same cost, you get much better care (outcomes) in the unique facility.

</comment></comment><comment><USER8> After reading several articles on euthanasia in Dutch papers, I get the impression that quite some people seem to think going to a nursing home is worse than dying (and a substantial part of them thus see euthanasia as a good alternative).

<comment><USER9> I thought this was a fairly common attitude all over. After seeing my grandparents go through it, I'd definitely prefer to just die right away rather than live out the rest of my days in a nursing home. Maybe I'd change my mind once faced with it... but of course the big fear is that I'd no longer be capable of making the choice.

<comment><USER8> Would you mind elaborating a bit on what's bad about it? I've been to a few retirement homes and they seemed reasonably nice places, but I don't think I've visited a nursing home.

<comment><USER10> Imagine a day care where the children never get picked up, need to sleep there, and cost is the biggest factor except for in a very small percentage of facilities.

Now replace every child with an octogenarian who hasn't seen his family in six weeks, or maybe just saw his family yesterday for his birthday but doesn't remember at all. Replace the apples and letters on the walls with Cardiograms and notices about patient safety and how dedicated the employee who was on the shift when your grandmother's wedding band went missing is to her care.

It's a problem that a lot of people want to ignore because it really is hard to think about it.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER11> Did anyone else figure out this comment, or is it just author bias?

"But because cost is one of the greatest barriers to making self-contained villages the standard in dementia care, it would be extremely difficult to implement in a non-socialized healthcare system—meaning that in the U.S., a facility like Hogewey might be impossible for the forseeable future."

\--

From other parts of the article:

"The cost of care [at Hogeway] is nearly $8,000 per month..."

"To put it into perspective, a private room at a U.S. nursing home cost an average of $248 per day in 2012, or more than $90,500 annually" => $7541.67/month

\--

So, the average cost in the US is the same, but "due to the high cost" the US (with its non-socialized medicine) could never build a comparable program?

<comment><USER12> FTA: The cost of care is nearly $8,000 per month, but the Dutch government subsidizes the residents—all of whom receive private rooms—to varying degrees; the amount each family pays is based on income, but never exceeds $3,600.

I'm pretty confident that the healthcare system in the US would not be able to bring down the cost down to ~4k/family.

</comment></comment><comment><USER13> Here's some photos of the village: [http://www.allgenerationscare.com/amazing- village-designed-j...](http://www.allgenerationscare.com/amazing-village- designed-just-people-dementia-de-hogeweyk-aka-dementia-village/) it's in the small town of Weesp, in Holland. It's a really neat, self-contained world with restaurants, cafes, supermarket and more. Doors are kept unlocked and residents have the freedom to go out within the village whenever they please. Though it does look like an expensive facility, I'm sure there are ways to make it more affordable in other areas of the world to accommodate more of our aging population that suffers from dementia.

</comment><comment><USER14> If you are interested in more images or detail, the village is called 'Hogeweyk'(meaning: higher area/borough), not Hogewey or Hogeway as the article states.

<comment><USER15> 'Weyk' is old Dutch for 'wijk' (area/district) which is smaller than a borough.

In the town Sliedrecht there is also an area called 'Merwebolder' which is a small 'wijk' for mentally disabled people housing around 400 people.

<comment><USER16> It's just a name, you're reading too much into it. Katwijk also ends with "wijk" and is home to 60k people.

<comment><USER17> No "wijk" is the dutch word for a neighborhood of a few streets. Or a small block if you prefer. It just so happens a few towns used that suffix, a nimble expression.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER18> Wow, this was a great read. I live in The Netherlands and was unaware of this project. Too bad it's one of a kind and only accomodates so little people; I'd love to be cared for in this way should I ever need it.

<comment><USER19> I live in the Netherlands too, and I also never heard of it. But what I understand from it, it's not really a village, it's just a large complex in the city of Weesp (the article misspelled it as "Wheesp"). Despite having never heard of it, it saddens me we don't have more of these style of nursing homes. Last year my grandma passed away as a result of Ahlzheimer disease, she spent the last year of her life in a traditional nursing home, which was a really depsressing place, she would been far better of in a place like Hogewey.

<comment><USER20> Both my grandmothers spent about a decade each in nursing homes due to Alzheimers. Both of them had clearly been trying hard to conceal their dementia for several years prior to that, because they were terrified accepting that something was wrong, and terrified of ending in a nursing home.

Once things had gone so far that they could not take care of themselves, and could not manage with the help of their spouses, they just fell apart within months.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER21> CNN World published their item on YouTube:

Untold Stories: Dementia Village

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwiOBlyWpko](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwiOBlyWpko)</comment>


Google Search Alternatives - <AUTHOR> https://sharelist.co/ankit/lists/XBxUyj2qkJqR7E0LGUEt <comment><AUTHOR> There are quite a few other search engines. Any one you like in particular?</comment>


Magus Modular Synthesizer Toolkit - <AUTHOR> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/marser/magus-synthesizer <comment><USER2> For a purely software-based free modular ecosystem, the cross-platform and rapidly developing VCV Rack[1] is well worth a look Still in pre-1.0, it already has quite a collection[2] of 3rd party modules with all shades of Free-, free-, donation- and pay-ware.

Regards Magus, it seems interesting, but .. I couldn't see any code repos for its module library. Do they exist?

1: [https://vcvrack.com/](https://vcvrack.com/) \+ [https://github.com/VCVRack/Rack/](https://github.com/VCVRack/Rack/)

2: [https://vcvrack.com/plugins.html](https://vcvrack.com/plugins.html)

<comment><AUTHOR> Rebel Tech repos can be found here: [https://github.com/pingdynasty](https://github.com/pingdynasty)

<comment><USER2> Great! Thanks a lot!

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER3> Interesting. I have a few rack mounts (mopho, ms2k) but not a modular person, I'm a little baffled by this like if i'm eventually decent at max or PureData, what's the advantage besides its cheap.

I'll have to see what they say in /r/synthesizers, muffwigglers, gearslutz etc.</comment>


Why I'm writing a Windows 3 Emulator - <AUTHOR> https://hackernoon.com/win3mu-part-1-why-im-writing-a-16-bit-windows-emulator-2eae946c935d#.ujzqui5f3 <comment><USER2> Of note is, of course, that Wine already handles the 16-bit Windows API by mapping it (using some files containing API specs of arguments to replace) to its own Windows API implementation already.

It also seems to work under long mode, which implies that segmentation is handled through emulation or other compatibility behavior, as IIRC long mode does not even support segmentation in other execution modes.

<comment><USER3> Are you sure about that - I didn't think Wine had a 16-bit emulation so how does it work?

</comment></comment><comment><USER4> It is a dupe but there are also more follow up articles on it.

When I was reimplementing the Classic MacOS Toolbox for a similar Macintosh Classic emulator, I encountered the same problem: documentation and knowledge is gone. And since the platforms (MacOS and Windows) still exist, it's hard to google for old information.

</comment><comment><AUTHOR> Aha. Worked out why it's flagged as a dupe, even though I did search HN first...

Different URL, different Title:

[https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12529846](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12529846)

Lots more comments there.</comment>


I Think Facebook Just Seized Control Of The Internet - <AUTHOR> http://techcrunch.com/2010/04/21/facebook/

<comment><USER2> This is one more step toward the inevitable "major event" occuring in the mid 2010's regarding online privacy.

Sooner or later, we're going to trend backwards away from all this. Just like it's hip to be environmentally conscious now, it will be hip to be privacy conscious when the generation growing up giving away all their personal information grows to realize this ultimately can lead to an unhealthy world. This sense of enlightenment, that our natural impulses in the short term can have undesired consequences in the long, is the foundation of movements that define generations. Usually the thing that kicks it all off, though, is a major event that brings these long term consequences to the surface. I certainly hope for this one, it doesn't cost any lives.

<comment><USER3> I dangers of online privacy have been in the news for the past 5 to 6 years since myspace et al. initially became popular. Since then more people have put more information about themselves online because they believe there is an advantage in doing so. Unless some 'major event' leading to the deaths of thousands of people occurs, which is very unlikely, I do not see the trend diminishing. In fact, I predict that within a decade if your job history and some social information about you is not readily available on the web your professional opportunities will be constrained and people will view you with suspicion.

<comment><USER4> > _... because they believe there is an advantage in doing so_

That is one possible explanation, but I think it is really simpler than that: People like to talk about themselves, and they like to find out what other people are doing and talk about that too.

<comment><USER3> benefit is probably a better term than advantage. Then your case would be included.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> I just don't get quotes like (I see in the sidebar) "we are making a web where the default is social".

No shit Sherlock. The web has always been social and about sharing information. There's the <a> tag, one might say linking to your friends page is encouraged, and the "default" is no authentication. Meanwhile I, apparently, can't even read the facebook developer docs without signing up. Yeah, real social.

</comment><comment><USER6> Here's my counter-prediction: 5 years from now, both Facebook and Techcrunch will be as relevant as MySpace is today.

<comment><USER7> Why?

At least Techcrunch provided some reasoning.

Your prediction is worded in a way that makes it hard to argue with, because "relevant" is so subjective. I know a lot of artists find MySpace VERY relevant.

However, to attempt a rebuttal, taking the Facebook case:

If Facebook is to become less relevant than it is now I would argue it's growth would have to stop, or at least slow down. According to the linked article it is currently accelerating, and usage of Facebook APIs OUTSIDE of Facebook is increasing enormously.

Growth like that doesn't just stop, unless there is some external factor.

So far, Facebook have proven themselves to be reasonable technically skilled, so I'll rule out technical problems.

It's possible some kind of legal issue could slow them (privacy lawsuits or something?). However, lawsuits take such a long time to play out that it would probably be at least 2-3 years before any negative verdict against Facebook would make them change what they are doing, and even then it won't shut down the site. If Facebook have 2-3 years more sustained growth it would be unprecedented for them to shrink from half-a-billion users to something less relevant than MySpace in another 2 years.

Another good counter-argument is the likely-hood of an IPO in the next 5 years. Apparently, Facebook had $700 million in revenue last year, and should do $1.1 billion this year ([http://www.insidefacebook.com/2010/03/02/facebook- made-up-to...](http://www.insidefacebook.com/2010/03/02/facebook-made-up- to-700-million-in-2009-on-track-towards-1-1-billion-in-2010/)). If they IPO'ed now, with a P/E ratio of 20 (Google & Apple = ~24, Microsoft = ~ 17), then they'd be a $20 billion company. That buys a lot of relevance.

EDIT: Note that is a revenue figure, not an earning (as pointed out below), so the numbers are wrong. I'll leave it here, though, because the point is more important than the numbers - if (when) Facebook IPO's they will raise a LOT of money.

<comment><USER6> What is the basis for the "P" in your "P/E" calculus?

<comment><USER7> The shareprice, based on a fixed P/E. If their earnings are $1 billion, and their P/E is 20 (similar to Google), then their cap is $20 billion. See <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P/E_ratio>

(Note the error I made above regarding their earnings, though)

<comment><USER6> So you assume comparable P/E to other much larger and more established companies, in order to arrive at a fanciful market cap number, in order to prove...something. No wonder these bubbles keep bursting.

<comment><USER7> Not at all.

Bigger, more established companies generally have (much) lower P/E ratios that new companies (eg, Google had a P/E ratio of 118 at their float price, and had a lot of criticism for pricing too low. See [http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/aug2007/tc200...](http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/aug2007/tc20070816_425764_page_2.htm)).

I'd be very interested in what you think a non-fanciful market cap number is - and how you arrive at it!

My point is that when they float, they will raise a lot of money. It might be $5 billion, it might be $20 billion, it might be $50 billion. In any case, they are going to be sitting on a big reserve of cash.

Your point was that they will be irrelevant in 5 years. My argument is that - ignoring other factors - any company in the tech sector sitting on a few billion dollars in cash is far from irrelevant.

<comment><USER6> "I'd be very interested in what you think a non-fanciful market cap number is - and how you arrive at it!"

Market cap is defined as "a measurement of size of a business enterprise (corporation) equal to the share price times the number of shares outstanding of a public company".

My point all along is that you are engaging in wild, unfounded speculation about a non-public company, using wholly inappropriate metrics.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER8> I don't really get Facebook. What is it? I left it alone for a few years, when it was basically a profile and a list of friends. Now when I log in, I don't know what to do. I don't know any of the people who are trying to friend me, and I don't see any way to _do_ anything.

Contrast this with Google, where I can find information, get maps, check my calendar, listen to my voicemail, and chat with my friends.

I am not sure which one will "win", but I know which one is actually useful for me right now.

<comment><USER9> I thought I was the only one who found facebook totally user-unfriendly.

<comment><USER10> I've determined that Facebook is designed to have something to hold your attention for 45 seconds to 3 minutes on each page before something else shiny jumps out for you to click on it. It's a brilliant interface when you're dealing with people killing time. It's a horrible interface for anyone who actually wants to get something done.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER11> Compare the headline with the author's eventual written statement:

 _"In my opinion, Facebook still has a ways to go towards improving its actual site if it's really going to be the long-term center of the web."_

Sign me up for some techcrunch bannagee please.

</comment><comment><USER12> I can live without facebook (in fact, I have never used it.) I could never live without the Google, and I can never envision a time when this will not be true.

What am I missing here?

<comment><USER13> For my circle of non-tech friends.. Facebook has replaced email and IM. That's pretty big.

<comment><USER7> And photosharing. And gossip magazines.

And sharing location ("I'm having beer at the pub. Come and join me")

Oh, and they use it for little things like product recommendations ("I need a new washing machine. what do people like?")

And then there's the whole "how do I fix my computer/car/whatever". Lots of people don't Google for it - they just ask on Facebook and wait for the original poster to Google it and reply to them

But yeah.. apart from these things it's pretty useless really.

<comment><USER6> Oddly enough, all of the things that you mentioned are useless to me.

<comment><USER14> Oddly enough, all of the things that he mentioned are crucial to 90%[1] of people aged 18-25[2].

[1] a slightly-educated guess

[2] and many others as well, obviously

<comment><USER6> [1] Wishful thinking? [2] Fickle user group.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER15> My thought is that sensationalist headlines are nothing new.

More seriously, I know enough people who disdain/distrust Facebook that this seems ridiculous to me. Then again, maybe I know the wrong people.

<comment><USER16> I am the sort of person you are talking about (distrusts FB) and I do what I can to make others realize how evil they are. Case in point, somehow many people either missed the whole Beacon debacle entirely or have put it out of their minds until reminded. I will never understand how anyone can give ANY personal data (who friends are and so forth) to a company who has proven so... ruthless in using that data for personal gain without consideration of their user base.

</comment></comment><comment><USER17> Its the relationship stupid.

Everybody is a friend, no colleagues, much less family, or people you admire. eliminating privacy and reducing relationships to simplistic formulas to be sold to marketers.

Fact is, all my relationships are complicated, not just one. including my relationship with facebook, one i'm not particularly attached to either.

</comment><comment><USER18> I think someone's lost touch with reality. Facebook hasn't seized anything and couldn't scare Google if their lives depended on it.

<comment><USER19> I think that's the attitude that has lead to the demise of more than one great company.

<comment><USER8> OTOH, Google tried to be social by default (Buzz) and suffered massive backlash. So maybe that's not what people want after all.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER20> This is all very neat. But I'm not going to make my site's functionality dependent on Facebook any more than I'll make it dependent on Yahoo, Microsoft, or Google. There needs to be a way to abstract all this stuff so that if Facebook goes belly up tomorrow, I can still have the social features on my site. I'm pretty sure facebook doesn't want developers thinking about that, though.

</comment><comment><USER21> _In my opinion, Facebook still has a ways to go towards improving its actual site if it's really going to be the long-term center of the web. (As in, the place you go to rather than Google.com.)_

So they are saying that Facebook wants to become like Digg and Reddit? I just don't see that happening. Maybe if you're a power user who collects friends and has hundreds of people posting stuff you can do that, but it takes a large community to find all those interesting links. And the larger your community becomes the less personal it is and the more it becomes saturated with irrelevant stuff. So it seems that Facebook can be either a great place to find interesting stuff online or a personal place for you and your friends, but not both.

</comment><comment><USER22> Well, Facebook just released a feature it thought will make life better for it's users, and it probably will. Nowhere did Facebook mention that one can't create something similar with their own social network.

Facebook is trying to do something really innovative here. That's solid entrepreneurship, which is why it's receiving such violent opposition, as usual. They are trying to jump to the next curve, and that's great. If other networks jump in, this could change the very basics of how we experience web, with or without Facebook. I think Facebook is just first company to start this, just like some company started 'e-mail'; that company didn't own the world's communication.

What I really want to see here is, how much are people willing to use their 'real' identities outside of facebook window. Because most of legit users on Facebook use their real names (I think), and there must be a reason that whenever somebody uses an id to comment on websites, it looks like 'pinkgur92twilight_meow'.

</comment><comment><USER23> This is just creepy. Facebook is a profit motivated company and I don't understand why people keep feeding it data and not just any data but relevant, extremely profitable data for free! Google knows a bunch of stuff too but for some reason this seems way more creepy.

<comment><USER24> This is creepy because Facebook is making "private" information available to other private companies, who can do nearly whatever they want with it. Also, anybody can write a crawler to find the private information of thousands of people with little to no hassle. Google, on the other hand, keeps your data locked up for use in its advertising programs. Google doesn't hand your data over to other companies.

</comment></comment><comment><USER25> i still dont use facebook that much.

<comment><USER26> Then you will soon be in the minority of internet users. In a few years, Facebook has the potential to basically BE the web for most people.

<comment><USER27> That worked so well for AOL when they were the "internet".

<comment><USER13> Except that facebook has a population already greater than "America". And AOL cost money to use - facebook is free.

It doesn't stop you using other services/sites/etc -- you just don't need or want to.

<comment><USER6> "facebook has a population"

Every time I hear this meme repeated, I get the (depressing) image of roughly 400,000,000 stub accounts that were created to check out FB, and promptly abandoned to gather dust.

<comment><USER28> The numbers they release are "monthly active users", ie people who logged in within the last 30 days, not stub accounts.

<comment><USER22> I don't think so. Facebook only had 132M unique visitors in March, compared to 400M users they are believed to have. To say that 400M were active last 30 days, Facebook need to workaround the pigeonhole principle.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER29> I would love to see more data behind their users, as in how many of their nearly 500 million users have even used the service? Added to their profiles? Created a friends list? Verified their e-mail address?

I have friends who have, combined, created hundreds of dummy facebook accounts that they do not use because while they do not have dedicated facebook accounts, they often want to see someone's profile or friend's list. So they hit "Sign Up", put in a fake e-mail address, fake first name, fake last name and register. Facebook makes this quite easy because they don't even require, last I checked, that you verify your e-mail address before you start using the site features.

<comment><USER30> Facebook goes off of monthly active users. If you had logged in and done and action once this month. Same for monthly active users within games, if the user logs in, accesses the game that counts.

It is pretty clear how deep the social links are that Facebook is truly that big. All your friends from elementary to college, all your relatives, nearly everyone is on there. Your mom is probably on there. That tells that the numbers are real.

</comment></comment><comment><USER31> Does anyone know if we are supposed to rewrite our old FB Connect code using this new stuff? Seems much cleaner anyway

<comment><USER32> <http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1283226>

</comment></comment><comment><USER33> The main point goes like this: I can't be friends with all smart people. Thus, HN and other 'neutral' sites gonna stay.

</comment><comment><USER34> I wish they would have IPO'd before this, bet we'd see a nice bump in valuation over the next few months.

</comment><comment><USER35> Facebook to Google: "Thanks for keeping the web warm for us, but we'll take it now."

</comment><comment><USER36> I have a proposal for HN: replace those triangles with 'Facebook recommend' buttons :)

<comment><USER37> Please don't actually consider this. From most of the other comments, many of us don't use facebook

</comment></comment><comment><USER38> Your internet identity in owned by Facebook, I don't like that, what if I wanted to delete my account, I'd lose my identity, my friend connections and all the stuff gathers on my FB profile, I don't think this should be the case and I don't think it's sustainable.</comment>


Show HN: The Termcat Markup Language - <AUTHOR> http://jdevuyst.github.io/termcat/doc/termcat-intro.html

<comment><AUTHOR> This is something I created when I was attending Hacker School. Our batch just ended last Friday and so I felt now was a good time to show it here and get some more feedback.

I realize many features are still missing. However, I do believe I have created solid foundations to build on and I'd say a sizable subset of the missing features are low hanging fruit. Perhaps most importantly, I'm using Termcat right now and I'm already finding it useful in it's present state.</comment>


The Story of Connie Converse (2010) - <AUTHOR> https://www.theawl.com/2010/08/the-story-of-connie-converse/ <comment><USER2> Wow, that's the first site I've ever encountered, that actually respects the Do Not Track setting, and actively prevents third-party content from loading!

<comment><USER3> The Awl was a treasure. RIP.

[https://www.theawl.com/2018/01/awl-ends/](https://www.theawl.com/2018/01/awl- ends/)</comment></comment>


Review of Secure, Privacy-Respecting Email Services - <AUTHOR> https://changelog.complete.org/archives/9952-review-of-secure-privacy-respecting-email-services <comment><USER2> I have been doing some reviewing of myself and intend to publish on privacytools.io early next year.

[https://github.com/privacytoolsIO/privacytools.io/issues/603...](https://github.com/privacytoolsIO/privacytools.io/issues/603#issuecomment-456400331)

I tested a number of new email and security related RFC to see how the providers complied. We plan to have a criteria (also in that issue) to rate them on a scoreboard.

I'm also hoping some of these providers will really consider

• [https://jmap.io/](https://jmap.io/)

• [http://arc-spec.org/](http://arc-spec.org/)

Despite what __some __people say, I think email will always exist in one form or another. There is a need to send a simple text message to people with minimal fuss. That means no walled gardens or bullshit to get in the way.</comment>


Are you an early adopter? - <AUTHOR>

Guys:
I do marketing and growth for a b2b SaaS company in the travel space. We're launching this really sweet concept that uses Big Data(in the form of millions of uncategorized traveler reviews) to match users to hotels...without them needing to search and sift through reviews themselves...launching soon and I'd love for HN dudes to be give me snarky beta tester feedback.
See the future of travel before anyone else: www.hotelmatch.me <comment><USER2> Read the guidelines on [https://news.ycombinator.com/show](https://news.ycombinator.com/show) for better exposure. Avoid linkbait titles. The title should be what the product is about.

Sorry, you asked me to be snarky. Your post will be seen by more users using Show HN.

P.S. HN isn't just 'guys' and 'dudes'</comment>


America May Get Broadband for Free, But Porn Will Cost You  - <AUTHOR> http://gigaom.com/2008/10/13/america-may-get-broadband-for-free-but-porn-will-cost-you/

<comment><USER2> Back to the opt-out vs opt-in debate.

One that should drive the pure theory guys nuts. In theory, it shouldn't make any difference. In practice, it would.</comment>


When 0 == absolutely-any-value-in-the-world in PHP - <AUTHOR> https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=67762

<comment><AUTHOR> $needle = 0;

$haystack = array('absolutely-any-value-in-the-world');

if ( in_array($needle, $haystack) ) {

echo "I've heard of loose comparison but this might be a little excessive.";

}

Note: I submitted it as a bug on php.net and the response was...

"Fundamental bugs are easy to find when you don't read the documentation."

(Just in case this isn't clear, it was closed as NOT being a bug within 10 mins of submitting.)

Of course I did read the docs and was aware of the strict comparison but I don't want strict comparison I just want it to work as expected, ie the value on the left matches the value in an array as long as it looks the same. So I would expect.. 0 to match '0', or 12345 to match '12345' but would not expect 0 to match any string value.

<comment><USER2> I agree with you - this is the sort of thing where you would expect strict comparison by default. Either it's in the array or it isn't. And I don't think i've ever used the strict comparison flag so now I have to go check all my projects...

 _dammit PHP..._

</comment></comment><comment><USER3> This is not a bug if you read the documentation carefully.

[http://php.net/function.in-array](http://php.net/function.in-array)

<comment><USER4> So if it's documented, it's not a bug? Oh man I'm about to save so much time.

</comment></comment><comment><USER5> Its a bug of a century!!!

</comment><comment><USER6> I've always thought php was insane and should never be used to write any sort of software...</comment>