Ask HN: Is NYC a good place to get a job as a Web dev? - <AUTHOR>

I landed a summer internship in New York but I want to go to NYC afterwards.
I have been looking at craigslist and indeed it seems like there are plenty Web developer positions open. But I have no clue how many are actually applying for these jobs.
So is it an employer or employee market out there? Will I have trouble landing a job? <comment><USER4> NYC is an insanely hot market for web engineering talent. Every founder I know complains about finding great engineers. As CEO of a tech startup here, I personally spend ~80% of my energy dedicated to finding the absolute best engineers in the city, and often I have to recruit people from other parts of the world and convince them to move here (which isn't that hard given how beautiful this city is).

Another data point: a friend who wanted to move from Microsoft to NYC had multiple job offers within a week of posting his resume to an NYC tech mailing list.

If you're interested in speaking more, please email me at firstname.lastname@example.com. Even if you're not interested in Art.sy, I'm happy to intro you to other NYC startups you might be interested in.

[edit] Here is a link to the Quora thread of all NYC startups that are hiring: [http://www.quora.com/Startups-in-New-York-City/Which- startup...](http://www.quora.com/Startups-in-New-York-City/Which-startups-in- NY-are-hiring)

<comment><USER5> +1 to Carter'd thoughts.

Some other resources are these:

\- FindAHacker.com (mostly NYC focused, email list of opportunities)

\- HireLite.com (video chat speed dating for hiring)

\- InsideStartups.org (email list of job opportunities)

There are many places looking, so things are certainly in your favor in NYC. Plus the city is awesome!

<comment><AUTHOR> thanks for the resources!

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER6> Oh, it's venturebros, the guy with the cool name! :)

Once you're in NY, drop Hackruiter[0] a line. They're YC alums [EDIT: and apparently YC funded again as recruiters] and based out of NYC, doing recruitment for startups (mostly YC alumni themselves). They got me my current contract and they're all-around great guys that, as both recruiters and engineers, understand the scene as well as anyone. They also run a weekly meetup called BrainDump[1], which is about as techy as a meetup can get (in a good way), and a mailing list "LinkedList".

They seem to be all about meeting smart, motivated people and making meaningful connections, as opposed to just playing matchmaker - so even though you're not looking yet, I bet they'd be up for a chat. Heck, if you're interested, I'll point them to this thread.

[0]<http://www.hackruiter.com/> [1]<http://www.hackruiter.com/about>

<comment><AUTHOR> Cool, thanks! I will contact them when I am at the end of the internship.

</comment></comment><comment><USER7> I just completed a job search and can say the market really is in your favor.

Stop using Craiglist. If you're going to use a service, use Indeed, Authentic Jobs, the 37 Signals job board or something else. "Inside Startups" is a great newsletter that lists jobs weekly.

Ideally, though, you want to meet people in person. There are multiple parties, events, and meetups every week.

To start, go to any of the tech meetups listed on Meetup.com. Garysguide.org has a lot of events listed as well. (Those Meetup groups have email lists, watch them for job postings.) Get business cards and follow up with people.

You're going to get offers faster than you expect. Decide what you want (big company, small company, front-end, back-end, python, ruby, etc), and learn to say "no". Before saying "yes", ask other nerds about them (at the Meetups, for example).

<comment><AUTHOR> Oh thanks! BTW is there any reason to stay away from Craigslist?

And what are some good meetups to join?

<comment><USER6> Essentially, you stay away from it because of the low signal to noise ratio.

For employers, the deluge of candidates who think that technology is HOTHOTHOT means that they have to look at far more resumes to find people who are worth bringing in to interview. Skipping Craigslist, for many companies, acts as a low-pass filter - the bet being that you'll ignore more noise than you will signal. After all, the good employer probably only needs one good employee, not 100 mediocre ones ( _especially_ in engineering.)

For employees, a similar phenomenon occurs. Once you've been burned once or twice in your career, you start to notice that managers at worse jobs tend to rely heavily on Craigslist, Monster and the like. These companies know that technology is HOTHOTHOT, but they not be savvy (or even care about technology) enough to go to meetups and post jobs in ways that engage the tech community. So again, many of the best employees will only use craigslist as a last resort, because they don't want to deal with the poor postings. Ignoring it is a low-pass filter for employees as well - after all, they only need one job.

There are plenty of more tech-specific sites with "elite" job boards, where the sheer knowledge of knowing _about_ the job posting site - <USER2> understanding the technologies and discussions around them - is enough of a filter to encourage both good employees and good employers to show up. (Hint: check out HN user whoshiring.) But at the end of the day, the best jobs are almost always filled the old fashioned way - by word of mouth. And that's why it makes sense to get out there and meet people early and often.

(In a happy coincidence, it also turns out you'll learn a lot more in general by meeting and talking to people and frequenting tech sites instead of sitting in front of Craigslist.)

Obviously this stuff is wild generalization - and as with any low-pass filter, you take a risk by ignoring Craigslist. I usually go to Craigslist once in a while myself. In my experience, it's worth checking on them once in a while (if only to see what you'll find), but not _relying_ on them.

<comment><USER8> I got 3 interviews via Craigslist with decent companies (startup, SEO company startup, magazine) before I got a chance to even look somewhere else to apply. A week later, I began interning at the startup.

Also, I started looking for internships after I got out of school (late May, early June). That's pretty late, I think.

That said, there are probably better places to look, but Craigslist is pretty ubiquitous. I don't think _everyone_ recruits through HN or StackOverflow or any other similar site. It'd be nice, but a lot more people know about Craigslist... right?

Although, word of mouth is hands down better in every way. So you say there are lot of these meetups, eh?

<comment><USER6> Awesome! :)

The nice thing about tech is that there are enough jobs that if you're good, Craigslist will do you just fine. :) I think it depends on where you live, as well as what type of company you want (the three-person YC startup doesn't have the man-power to sort through Craigslist resumes, so they might just post here first - and in a place like NY or Boston, hooked-in companies might get more than enough people through their sites and connections to bother with Craigslist)

Wow, did I get you to make your first post? That's pretty cool. :) But your city isn't in your profile, so I can't point you to any particular meetups.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER9> New York is still full of schemers, compared to SF Bay area. I lived in Mountain View for two years, San Francisco for three, and NYC for two -- I am in the process of moving back to Mountain View. I love NYC as a place to live, but found it frustrating for tech work. The job offers I've had in the SF bay area always seemed reasonable to me. In New York, I've received ridiculous low-ball offers, and have had a few friends have the same experience, but only in New York. They all have moved to San Francisco now.

</comment><comment><USER6> To answer your question more directly: There are a _ton_ of people applying for these jobs. Like, crazy amounts. And why wouldn't there be? It's a great field to be in right now.

But thanks to things like the Mythical Man-Month[0], engineering is a field where people would rather have 1 incredible engineer than 10 mediocre engineers for the same price. So for someone with talent and the right reputation, there's arguably no better field to be in than engineering.

So basically, if you're good at what you do, engineering is one of the hottest job markets in the country. (In NY, the hotness is particularly exaggerated, because the startups there are the companies most likely to want to keep their teams small, and hire the best - and they have to compete with the financial sector, which provides large numbers of engineers a steady job with high pay.)

If you're not good at what you do (or even if you just want to get better at what you do), don't assume the hotness of the market will get you a job. The market is hot for engineers, but I'd say it's only hot for _good_ engineers, again, due to the Mythical Man-Month effect.

But don't be discouraged. Just by being proactive getting internships and participating on Hacker News, you're probably better than 80% of the applicants your age out there. That's why so many of our answers are assuming that you're a good candidate - because odds are, you probably are. :)

[0] If you haven't read this, take a few moments out this summer to do so. It's a quick, breezy and incredibly informative read. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mythical_Man-Month>

<comment><AUTHOR> Frankly, I don't think I am good enough to work at startup where I am at right now. I have a better chance at landing a job at Interactive agency with my background then a startup. I will still try but I don't think it's going to happen.

</comment></comment><comment><USER10> It seems for web devs a great place to be, but how about for embedded/real- time programmers? I've over 10 years experience in defence and gaming industries mainly doing C++ and I'd love to work in NYC but just assumed it'd be far too difficult to land a position. Anyone have any idea?

</comment><comment><USER11> It's def. a good market. Top #5 in the US no doubt. I'd say make the decision on where you want to live over whether or not you could get the best job there. Tough finding that balance, so if you like the city, run with it..

</comment><comment><USER12> We're hiring for a web developer right now. When I was moving here - <USER3> months ago - I easily managed to snag four interviews over a two-day trip specifically to try to find a job.

So yeah.

<comment><USER13> Who is "we"?

<comment><USER12> Netomat, Inc, in New York.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER14> There are plenty of opportunities in NYC - from startups, to big brands, to finance. All of them are competing for the same talent.

When you are ready to start looking, change your LinkedIn profile to say you're a <whatever> consultant located in NYC. You will start getting contacted by headhunters within a few days.

</comment><comment><USER15> If you're already in NYC for the summer you'll have no trouble finding a job. Plan on spending your non-internship time building relationships with startups that are getting things done. This is tough because they don't necessarily hang out at the more prominent meetups but you will find them.

<comment><AUTHOR> I am actually 2 hours away from NYC for the summer. I have to find out my hours to see if I can get anytime to go to the city and get some connections.

</comment></comment><comment><USER16> NYC is an excellent place to find work as a developer. You have a ridiculous selection of awesome startups and larger companies to choose from. The last Brooklyn.js meetup I went to had more people looking to hire front-end developers than people looking at a ratio ~5:1.

</comment><comment><USER17> My company is looking for Ruby developers as well as backend engineers:

<https://careers-collective.icims.com/jobs/intro>

</comment><comment><USER18> I'll freaking hire you right now.

Just kidding, but yeah, if you're good and you're in NYC, you'll be slurped up by the startups here. Everyone has problems hiring in NYC.

</comment><comment><USER19> Check out CrowdTap... Hot startup hiring in NYC.</comment>


Ask HN: What to do when a client writes - <AUTHOR> Can you give us a refund, because our project is over budget? <comment><USER2> Hope you had a good contract that outlined everything that was expected and for how much before doing work with said client.

Hold them to the contract.

If you are a component to their project and their overall project is failing so they want to cut your component? If so they paid for your services and if they are failing their overall project that is not on you. Keep the money they paid you for your product that was outlined in your contract.

If they are a component or part of your project and want to quit because they underbid the portion they are responsible for and now want to bail before taking a loss that is also their fault and hold them to finishing their portion of the project for whatever amount you agreed to prior.

Not sure what else to say without knowing more and this is taken from construction experience with dealing with various sub contractors so it may not hold true as much for the tech sector.

Take all information as anecdotal evidence and I am not a lawyer.

<comment><AUTHOR> The contract says:

"Refund Policy We don't offer refunds, but you may cancel at any time."

( [https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/pp/B06Y1DVR9L](https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/pp/B06Y1DVR9L) )

<comment><USER2> If this is your product and the above mentioned was listed when the client purchased it then the client should have been aware of what they were purchasing and the policies about said purchase.

In my opinion you do not have any obligations to refund money to them for services they had already used.

Maybe if they somehow did a pre-pay for say a year's worth of operating costs up front based on an estimated usage and then bailed before they used it all maybe there may be some grey area where you owe them a prorated amount of what they didn't use.

Much like say you get a car insurance policy and pay for all 12 months up front, then all of a sudden you get a new car 9 month into it and get reimbursed for the 3 months you didn't use.

In my opinion any services they used they owe your company for.

Services they were planning to use but didn't actually use yet may be a grey area.

If you do not allow them to pre-pay for blocks of use ahead of time this isn't an issue.

Again I'm not a lawyer.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER3> Don't offer a refund. If they have been a good client overall, offer them an alternative. A concession of some sort. Perhaps a discount for next couple of payments (if subscription based). Work something out where you don't lose money from your past but you may have to give up something in the future. The reason is that you already have worked hard in the past to get that money. A concession in future will first put the responsibility back on client and you have the freedom to say "we can give you a concession but we may reduce some of the features/support etc".

I would reply with something like:

"Unfortunately a refund would not be fair to our team based on the work we have done so far for you. However, you are an excellent client and we would love to give you some type of concession for future and we can offer you xyz. I hope this helps you. Let me know if you have any questions on this concession offer"

Use words where you make the client feel guilty about asking for refund (because frankly, they shouldn't). However, you still sound like you are trying to help them. Win-Win.

</comment><comment><USER4> I like to break projects down in to incremental milestones, that way the client sees a portion of completed work, pays for it and you begin the next milestone.

This helps keep both of you happy, they are seeing progress and you are seeing payment for work completed.

Client management is a difficult thing. I would assure them that the project will be completed, it is taking longer than expected because of x,y and z. That you will do a better job of keeping you informed of issues like these in the future. Give them an updated date that you can deliver early on. If you can break the remaining work into milestones where you can show them incremental progress.

</comment><comment><USER5> They don't expect you to say yes. Assuming this is some service project, I would simply say, "Frankly, it's insulting and demoralizing that you're asking this given how hard we've worked on the project."

</comment><comment><USER6> It is quite common. Don't go by the contractual obligation. If it is a small amount for you and your customer is going to stick to you, you might want to make him a happy customer by giving discount.

</comment><comment><USER7> Are you asking "how should I word my reply", or are you asking "what should I do to mediate this?".

<comment><AUTHOR> Do people make exceptions on refund policies and under what circumstances?

<comment><USER8> Under the right circumstances, sure. But it hardly seems like these are exceptional circumstances. This would be like eating at a restaurant, then asking if they'll accept 50% of the bill "because I've already spent too much at restaurants this year."</comment></comment></comment>


Open-source hybrid-blog/aggregator script - Sweetcron - <AUTHOR> http://sweetcron.com

<comment><AUTHOR> Friend linked me to this and I got a chance to set it up last night... it's exactly what I've been looking for to jump into the blogging world without feeling like I have to write a lot of blog content regularly. Check it out, really easy to install and configure... and built with CodeIgniter. Here's my site:

<http://colinanawaty.com></comment>


Which web language to pick up for a new developer? - <AUTHOR>

Looking into the future, which platform do you predict will have the most vibrant community AND/OR the longevity that can provide comfort for a budding web developer?<p>1. Ruby on Rails 2. JSP 3. Javascript 4. Misc. <comment> adam-_- With all this talk of dynamic scripting languages, I just wanted to mention Perl.

We also have a powerful framework - <http://www.catalystframework.org/> and there's an excellent book: "The Definitive Guide to Catalyst".

There's also a great, freely available, introductory Perl book: <http://www.onyxneon.com/books/modern_perl/index.html>. For any framework you pick up you'll need some grounding in the language as whole.

Many would consider Perl to be not as shiny and modern as Ruby or Python but we keep stealing their good ideas anyway:

* Rack/WSGI -> Plack. * RVM -> Perlbrew. * Bundler -> Carton. * Sinatra -> Dancer.

Not to mention the good ideas emanating from the Perl community itself:

* A strong commitment to testing, which has lead to a central repository for cross-platform test reports for every Perl library released <http://static.cpantesters.org/> * An advanced, powerful object system <http://www.iinteractive.com/moose/>

Much as I enjoy programming Perl, there's not really a bad choice between: Perl, Python, PHP or Ruby. Some would argue that the inconsistencies of PHP make it more difficult to learn but I'd argue that if you're on a Windows platform it's probably the best choice. The ubiquity of cheap PHP hosting is another benefit for a beginner.

Try learning enough to write a simple script in each of Perl, PHP, Python or Ruby. Then a pick a framework for the language you felt most comfortable with.

<comment><USER2> Great post, upvoted. I enjoy programming Perl for the web more than anything really, and I think there has been great progress in terms of available modern, efficient and easy to learn web development frameworks.

I prefer Mojolicious over Dancer. Be sure to take a look at the wonderful documentation over at mojolicio.us and drop a line at the amazing (and helpful) community on IRC (#mojo on irc.perl.org).

</comment></comment><comment><USER3> From by biased perspective scripting languages are leaders for web development.

* Ruby * Python * JavaScript * PHP

These are also the most brittle because they invent and change quickly.

I used to be a PHP developer and I thought the frameworks borrowed heavily from the stable Ruby and Python ideas for web app development. You'll find the crazy ones in Ruby and Python and a safer ground in PHP. Safest in Java. My bias.

Vibrancy != longevity. Rails 3 bit me tonight because I didn't understand a 201 status code and I almost hacked the path and then what was going on…it felt like the most correct, wonderful thing to do. I'm happy with the result, especially because the code is clean and browsers honor it without a fussy redirect.

Ruby and Python are vibrant, hungry communities.

PHP is vibrant, more stable.

Java is stable and most difficult to introduce an idea to unless it's a language atop the VM. :)

<comment><AUTHOR> For a newbie to web programming, it seems like Ruby has the spotlight on it.....

I would love to go the Java route, but I keep seeing fragmentation ala platform on top of a platform....not sure if that is the best thing to work with.

</comment></comment><comment><USER4> In terms of ease of learning for someone with no programming skills, I say PHP, Ruby, or even Python. The community for each is large and not going anywhere.

PHP is a good intro language because you can easily run with it (build a simple site), it has great documentation, and the hosting is straight forward (thus it is easy to launch). Once you get more accomplished with you skill- set, you may get picky and want a more robust language, but 99% of the beginner type stuff can be done with PHP.

Also, Javascript is great, you will use this regardless of the "server side language" as it is "client side" (in the browser). jQuery will help, as it standardizes many common and/or complex problems.

</comment><comment><USER5> A year ago I started learning web development and found that you have to start with a framework. I used CodeIgniter (PHP) as the code is pretty clean. It's been around for a long time so there are a lot of communities where you can ask questions. There are also a lot of books based on it.

some popular php frameworks include Zend, CakePHP, CodeIgniter.

I looked at all 3 and tested it out. I went for CodeIgniter.

</comment><comment><USER6> If you're looking to double down on one specific idea, just pick any popular platform and run with it.

If you're more flexible and just looking to learn, build little apps on as many platforms as you can and see which one you like best.

</comment><comment><USER7> My understanding is as follows:

a. A good developer should be able to know a few languages, and to keep on learning new languages.

b. In theory you pick the best language depending on the requirements of the project.

<comment><AUTHOR> A quick follow up:

In all reality, let's say someone were to build "simple" web applications.....by which I mean...a twitter clone etc., would it really make that big of a difference if I chose Clojure or PHP vs. ROR.

Maybe I am ignorant about the nuances of these platforms, but from a birds eye view, they all look able to perform the same tasks.

<comment><USER7> Question: Are you doing the programming (and thus doing the task of learn programming) or will the work be given to someone else?

If you're not doing the work yourself create wireframe and/or spec of the project and talk to a few programmers. If you are doing the work yourself and getting started maybe how easy the language is to learn might be a factor.

Also if you are building a Twitter clone I'm assuming that you'd also need a database -- so there might be more things to think about as well.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> ugh...Java...i took Java in college and found it to be a horrible language. loads so slow and not the best web dev language around.

<comment><USER8> Try the Java play framework and you may change your opinion on that. You still suffer the inital jvm start time (once) but everything else is comparable to any ruby, python or php framework with static typing.

</comment></comment><comment><USER9> Javascript + JQuery and for server scripting PHP

<comment><AUTHOR> What would you say the pros/cons are of Javascript + JQuery vs. let's say Ruby on Rails or Grails?

I understand JS is here to stay a long time, but for rapid development, ROR seems progressive. Correct me if I am wrong.

<comment><USER10> jQuery is Javascript; both of which run client side in the browser. Recently, a language called node.js has taken javascript to the backend as well (minus jQuery).

Javascript is used in conjunction with ROR. All of the cool visual effects you see on webpages (and AJAX requests) are entirely javascript.

Your real question should be: should I use ROR, node.js, PHP, or python for the backend. The answer: it depends on what you're building.

PHP is great for speed & reliability. It is not nearly as easy to snap in pieces of code like Rails & gems (which can be a huge downfall). It also doesn't enforce strict code organization & etiquette. If you choose PHP, make sure you're familiar with MVC and the separation of your code and your site HTML.

If you want to have real time stuff in your applications (chat, notifications, etc), use node.js. node is also very fast & scalable. It is entirely server side javascript (which is nice, because then you're writing in the same language for client side and server side).

Rails makes web development easy. There are tons of fantastic gems out there that do the heavy lifting for you. In my opinion, this is ROR's strongest piece. Rails is also pretty fast for a framework, although straight PHP and node will smoke the crap out of it every day of the week. Basically, you pay a (IMO) very small price for a ton of saved development time.

I don't have a ton of experience with Python & Django, but I've heard good things about it. Rails seems to have more traction, so if you're going for a web framework, I would advise you to choose Rails. That being said, Python's twisted framework is pretty sweet for real time stuff (especially chat). Python is also incredibly fast (on par with node & PHP).

I hope this helps you choose your first language. You can always mix and match these languages to accomplish multiple goals (I use PHP, node & Rails at my current startup). Good luck sir!

<comment><AUTHOR> Thanks a bunch!

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER11> ruby on rails (on heroku)

<comment><USER3> Why this as opposed to:

      * Clojure on Heroku
      * Java on Heroku
      * node.js on Heroku

They aren't doubling down on Ruby, let alone Rails.

\--

<http://blog.heroku.com/archives/2011/8/25/java/>

<comment><USER11> That's a good point. I think it might have to do with their ownership by Salesforce.

Speaking of Rails, I have been a little disappointed with Rails 3.1... we've had various technical problems with the release candidates, and they've been late in getting to an official release.</comment></comment></comment>


Comparing CQL and the DynamoDB API - <AUTHOR> https://www.scylladb.com/2020/05/12/comparing-cql-and-the-dynamodb-api/ <comment><USER2> This is a very useful article. I was wondering if these technical differences add up to differences in specific use cases for each API?

<comment><USER3> They do. CQL is 33% faster with Scylla than Scylla with DynamoDB. The lack of topology knowledge and lack of prepared statement hurt</comment></comment>


Coronavirus relapse cases continue to rise in S. Korea - <AUTHOR> https://en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20200417006800320 <comment><USER2> Scientists agree reinfection is an unlikely explanation for patients who test positive a second time, according to the Los Angeles Times, and note the possibility that testing errors, and releasing patients from hospitals too prematurely, are more likely the reason for reports of patients who retest positive.

"If you get an infection, your immune system is revved up against that virus," Keiji Fukuda, director of Hong Kong University's School of Public Health, told the Los Angeles Times. "To get reinfected again when you're in that situation would be quite unusual unless your immune system was not functioning right." Fukuda told the paper that it's more likely patients are being released from hospitals while carrying dormant fragments of the disease that are not infectious, but resemble the virus when tested. "The test may be positive, but the infection is not there," he said.

[https://thehill.com/changing-america/well- being/prevention-c...](https://thehill.com/changing-america/well- being/prevention-cures/487436-can-you-get-coronavirus-twice)

The OP article says

> "No secondary infections have been reported from relapse cases, according to > the KCDC."

<comment><USER3> Korean doctors are able to speak for themselves and we should rely on the studies themselves to inform discussion, not hearsay from a third party source about "scientists agree" whatever the heck that means. What do the Korean doctors who are reporting the alleged reinfection think.

<comment><USER4> It's most likely dead virus causing a false positive: [https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/17/health/south-korea- coronaviru...](https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/17/health/south-korea-coronavirus- retesting-positive-intl-hnk/index.html)

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> My own experience, the virus lingers after you beat it, waiting to return.

For example, if I have a few drinks or don't get enough vitamins it starts to come back mildly until I reverse course.

</comment><comment><USER6> Is it possible that this remains dormant, somehow, similar to herpes viruses? Where could the virus hide? I am not a physician or scientist, but this article indicates that an S protein, like that which is present in covid-19, can bind to ace2 receptors -- so would it be unreasonable to think that it could hide, dormant, in this receptor?

[https://www.cell.com/trends/pharmacological- sciences/referen...](https://www.cell.com/trends/pharmacological- sciences/references/S0165-6147\(04\)00097-5)

<comment><USER7> Viruses cant hide inside of receptors or the like. When a virus goes latent (the term you are looking for is viral latency), the genetic material of the virus finds a way to hide out inside a cell. The genetic material either floats around inside a protected area of the cell (episomal, think herpes) or actually integrates and becomes a part of your own dna (proviral, think HIV).

I don't know of any conclusive evidence yet that any coronavirus establish an HIV/herpes style latent infection. Of it turns out they do, then, to put it mildly, that is a very very very very big deal and a very very bad problem to have.

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virus_latency](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virus_latency)

</comment></comment><comment><USER8> "The KCDC said it took 13.5 days on average for people to be retested positive for COVID-19 after being released from quarantine."

Maybe they were never fully recovered.

<comment><USER9> I'm thinking some people pulled strings to get discharged early. South Korea is sequestering people in hospitals if they're positive, and that's not exactly a fun experience.

</comment></comment><comment><AUTHOR> To be clear, things are still looking good for South Korea in general[1], but it's good to know that relapse is possible.

1\. [https://m-en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20200418001051325](https://m-en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20200418001051325)

</comment><comment><USER10> Are humans typically immune to any and all viral infections that their immune system fights off? Like its just kind of a rule? Either you die or you become immune?

<comment><USER11> I don't have a link, but I remember reading elsewhere that with other coronaviruses (many cold viruses are in this category), it's thought possible to be reinfected after a while, _especially if the symptoms are mild_. The worse the symptoms, the stronger and longer lasting the immune response tends to be, which reduces chance of reinfection.

Edit: this may be relevant [https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/20/8190384...](https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/20/819038431/do- you-get-immunity-after-recovering-from-a-case-of-coronavirus)

> Researchers do know that reinfection is an issue with the four seasonal > coronaviruses that cause about 10 to 30% of common colds. These > coronaviruses seem to be able to sicken people again and again, even though > people have been exposed to them since childhood.

<comment><USER12> I read as a teenager this was always due to mutation. Do these viruses not change over time?

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER13> (I am not a scientist) I remember seeing someone talk about the risk of re- infection when this all started. They said that they only way to fully know if the virus has mutated would be to do a full sequence of the virus comparing the first infection with the second. It will be interesting (and possibly scary if has mutated) to see what is causing this second re-infection of patients that are supposedly recovered.

Here's an article talking about people getting re-infected at the end of Feb. [https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-spread-after- recover...](https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-spread-after- recovery.html)

<comment><USER14> Covid-19 mutates about 2x a month. [https://bedford.io/blog/ncov-cryptic- transmission/](https://bedford.io/blog/ncov-cryptic-transmission/)

This doesn't mean the virus has changed enough for your body to not recognize it. But it can be used to map transmission chains.

We know where Covid-19 started, but scientists have also used mutation rates to correct our understanding of when HIV jumped to humans.

<comment><USER15> We know where it was first identified as a new virus, not where it started.

There are numerous reports of Italy's search for patient zero pointing to it being there before China.

" Remuzzi says he is now hearing information about it from general practitioners. "They remember having seen very strange pneumonia, very severe, particularly in old people in December and even November," he says. "This means that the virus was circulating, at least in [the northern region of] Lombardy and before we were aware of this outbreak occurring in China.""

[https://www.npr.org/2020/03/19/817974987/every-single- indivi...](https://www.npr.org/2020/03/19/817974987/every-single-individual- must-stay-home-italy-s-coronavirus-deaths-pass-china-s)

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER16> It's not clear but does this mean they're still contagious regardless of symptoms (since many are asymptomatic)?

> "Of the 137 cases that have clinical and epidemiological information, 61 > showed symptoms again, the KCDC said."</comment>


The Daily Mail asked us to hack their journalists. Here's what went wrong - <AUTHOR> https://cybernews.com/security/the-daily-mail-asked-us-to-hack-their-journalists/ <comment><USER2> Pen testing requires that people not be aware they're getting attacked.</comment>


Ask HN: I'd like to pay customers of my service, what are the best options? - <AUTHOR>

I'm in the process of building a service that will effectively create an internal marketplace. The service will act as a broker for transactions as such it will have to receive and send money to users of the service. Any advice on this? <comment><USER2> I recommend wepay. We're building our marketplace with them and they seem to be the easiest way to get started.

They have a marketplace use case: <https://www.wepay.com/developer/usecases/marketplace>.

</comment><comment><USER3> I just asked a similar question and got some good responses: <http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3138574>

Sounds like paypal might be viable.

</comment><comment><USER4> I would look at services with ACH</comment>


Der Spiegel to Press Charges Against Reporter Who Made Up Articles - sahin-boydas https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/23/anti-america-bias-der-spiegel-scandal-relotius <comment> sahin-boydas [https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/23/world/europe/germany- der-...](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/23/world/europe/germany-der-spiegel- claas-relotius.html)

[https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/12/21/german- repo...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/12/21/german-reporters- dispatch-trump-country-featured-mexicans-keep-out-sign-he-made-it-all-up/)</comment>


PSA: NYC hurricane evacuation zones map - <AUTHOR> http://www.nyc.gov/html/oem/downloads/pdf/hurricane_map_english.pdf <comment><USER2> Alternatively: [http://project-s3.wnyc.org/news-maps/hurricane- zones/hurrica...](http://project-s3.wnyc.org/news-maps/hurricane- zones/hurricane-zones.html)

<comment><USER3> Thank you for the usable, non-pdf link.

</comment></comment><comment><USER4> Something I learned yesterday: Apparently La Guardia has a midnight curfew, meaning that any planes that need to land after midnight get rerouted to JFK. Although this curfew often gets extended due to weather, it's still something worth keeping in mind when booking return flights into LGA that get in after 10pm in general.

</comment><comment><USER5> Really a pdf...government. A simple jpeg would of worked.

<comment><USER6> Not really. This file is 1.5MB, and a 150dpi low-quality JPEG export of that is 2.7MB and the street names are barely legible. For a map like this, consisting of mostly text and really simple vector data, with only a handful of colors, raster images are really inefficient.

<comment><USER7> Would svg be better? I mean, lighter and legible.

<comment><USER6> Not likely. A quick test of several compression formats shows that this file can only be shrunk by about 20KB, so it's already had most of the redundancy removed. Re-encoding the same information as SVG isn't going to make it more compact. What would make for a more compact download would be removing detail: the coastlines could be simplified, and perhaps not all the roads need to be shown. That would also speed up client-side rendering time, which is the biggest downside compared to raster images.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER8> Does anyone know anything similar for Jersey City?

<comment><USER9> Voluntary evacuation for downtown. [http://www.jerseycityindependent.com/2011/08/26/jersey- city-...](http://www.jerseycityindependent.com/2011/08/26/jersey-city-put- under-flood-and-hurricane-watches-as-officials-eye-irene/)

</comment></comment><comment><USER10> helpful work;</comment>


North Korea Announces That It Has Detonated First Hydrogen Bomb - <AUTHOR> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/06/world/asia/north-korean-tremor-raises-suspicions-of-a-new-nuclear-test.html?module=Notification&version=BreakingNews&region=FixedTop&action=Click&contentCollection=BreakingNews&contentID=56876323&pgtype=Homepage&_r=0 <comment><USER2> 60 years ago it took several years from fission to fusion bomb. H-bomb is simple once you got the fission one. NK got their first fission several years ago. So it is about time.

It is frequently suggested that NK explosions are [half]failures because of low yields. Well, making low yield fission or fusion bomb is actually much harder then a powerful one and historically the pinnacle of nukes have been the low yield "neutron" ones. The low yield ones are also much more scarier as a weapon because they require lower threshold of craziness to use - i.e. sending a 1MT ballistic missile on a city even Kim III may be not ready to order while 0.5KT is just like that Chinese port explosion several month ago.

Anyway, giving the amount of tech assistance NK got in 199x from former Soviet researchers, one can only blame NK economy on why it has been taking them so long to join the club.

<comment><USER3> Making nukes out of small amounts of plutonium is indeed hard to do but making a small explosion using a large amount of plutonium is much easier than making a large explosion from a large amount of plutonium.

<comment><USER4> Exactly. If NK's tests are low-yield because they're testing miniaturized devices intended to produce a low yield, that's scary. But it's far more likely that they're trying to make a bigger bang and it's just not working right.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> Last time North Korea did nuclear test, Comprehensive Nulcear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization(CTBTO)'s radionuclide monitoring station at Takasaki, Japan successfully detected Xenon. So let's wait for CTBTO.

[http://www.mofa.go.jp/press/release/press3e_000001.html](http://www.mofa.go.jp/press/release/press3e_000001.html)

By the way, CTBTO has a website: [https://www.ctbto.org/](https://www.ctbto.org/)

<comment><USER6> The CTBTO already said they saw it:

"At 01:30:00 (UTC) on 06 January 2016 the CTBTO's monitoring stations picked up an unusual seismic event in the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK). The location is very similar to the event our system registered on 12 February 2013. Our initial location estimate shows that the event took place in the area of the DPRK's nuclear test site. The DPRK also claimed today that it has conducted yet another nuclear test, the fourth since 2006."

<comment><USER5> Yup, seismic result is in, radionuclide takes some time. CTBTO explains how it does monitoring in a lot of details here: [https://www.ctbto.org/verification- regime/](https://www.ctbto.org/verification-regime/)

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER7> Apparently their last test was also detected at magnitude 5.1, so I suppose that this was probably not an H-bomb.

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea_and_weapons_of_mas...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea_and_weapons_of_mas..).

>On February 11, 2013, the U.S. Geological Survey detected a magnitude 5.1 seismic disturbance,[13] reported to be a third underground nuclear test.[14] North Korea has officially reported it as a successful nuclear test with a lighter warhead that delivers more force than before, but has not revealed the exact yield. Multiple South Korean sources estimate the yield at 6–9 kilotons, while the German Federal Institute for Geosciences and Natural Resources estimates the yield at 40 kilotons.[15][16][17]

<comment><USER8> Correct link: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea_and_weapons_of_mas...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)

</comment></comment><comment><USER9> If that was a hydrogen bomb test, it sounds an awful lot like the trigger did not achieve the intended criticality with respect to the fusion component. This would not be surprising in that their prior fission tests also had dubious yields.

<comment><USER10> I suspect that this was a very powerful (for NK) fissile weapon and not an actual hydrogen bomb as claimed (regardless of if they had fusible materials in the device).

</comment></comment><comment><USER11> In arguments over the relative safeness of the world it is often pointed out that relatively few people have died recently in terrorist attacks, but as N. N. Taleb points out, the distribution of deaths by terrorist attacks is a fat tailed one: the current average does not preclude much higher future numbers. Such devices as this in the hands of such actors as NK give us more concrete feelings for the real risks involved. More focus needs to be paid to these sorts of risks, we will be lucky to live out our lives without a major nuclear terrorism event.

<comment><USER12> > More focus needs to be paid to these sorts of risks

Yeah, we should really up the level of fear and tension over the terrorists.

<comment><USER11> Try to imagine the effects a nuclear detonation or dirty bomb in Manhattan. I believe most people are undervaluing the probability and results.

<comment><USER13> Try to compare it with the entire New York area, or the entire United States. It's a minor event. It won't destroy a country. Having one nuke doesn't make you a danger on a geopolitical scale.

That said, such attack would obviously be a horrible thing, and reasonable preventive efforts are justified. The key word being _reasonable_.

<comment><USER14> > It's a minor event

What train of thought brings you to considering the destruction of a major city by a nuclear bomb a 'minor' event?

<comment><USER13> Minor in comparison to the scale of a country. Especially if you consider that the yield you can expect from anyone who is not Russia or the US will level at most _a district_ of a large western city.

In no way I want to imply that such an event would not be absolutely horrible and an act of evil. But considering the _actual_ damage that nukes do is what finally cured me of being scared shitless of nuke-wielding terrorists. And yes, I used to be _really_ scared of that.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER15> Extremely worrying for South Korea and Japan. Not sure how China treats this. This is like a crazy neighbor who you learn just got a gun.

<comment><USER16> Disagree. The chances of NK using a nuclear weapon offensively is 0.03% They're crazy in Pyongyang, but not stupid. Same situation if Iran builds one. Doing so would be suicide, and they know it. This is about defense.

Also, I'm glad you brought up the point about a neighbor with the gun. When somebody has a gun, you're not likely to walk over and screw with them. Nuclear weapons have lead to a great peace between nation-states.

<comment><USER17> The MAD doctrine seems to have worked with binary superpowers up through the 80's.

But, I think its an open (and rather scary) question as to whether MAD will continue to work with multiple parties some of whom are batshit crazy and have demonstrated utter disregard for the safety and well-being of their populace.

Is their leadership insane enough to sit in a well-stocked bunker while setting off an H-Bomb in South Korea or elsewhere.... umm yeah, I think so.

<comment><USER16> Let's hope. The world did survive the breakup of the soviet union, which left nuclear weapons and material all over the former soviet block without a major incident. If they do set off their one bomb (under the slim chance they could even deliver it), it would be utterly terrible. End of a major city? Probably. But not the end of the world. Japan, South Korea and the US would wipe NK out so fast they wouldn't even know what hit them. The end of North Korea regime? For sure.

<comment><USER18> > South Korea and the US would wipe NK out so fast they wouldn't even know > what hit them. The end of North Korea regime? For sure.

Let's not forget about the millions North Koreans who would die as a result. They're people, and the number of them who are culpable for their regime's madness is a rounding error.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER19> You can see it in wolframalpha [http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=earthquakes+in+north+ko...](http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=earthquakes+in+north+korea)

</comment><comment><USER20> We are never ever going to free those poor people in North Korea.

Such horrible lives.

China should be ashamed for perpetuating this.

Was hoping to see within my lifetime a re-unification like Germany but that's basically never going to happen.

Unless they find oil in Korea, unlike Iran we are never going to give a damn, politically, morally or otherwise.

<comment><USER12> > unlike Iran we are never going to give a damn, politically, morally or > otherwise.

Disagree, the US troops and mines have been there for a long time. South Korea is doing well exactly because the world cared and the US in particular continues to.

<comment><USER21> Iran by itself hasn't attacked another another country for more 2 centuries ([http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/01/20121248513...](http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/01/201212485135149579.html)). Meanwhile, not only all our countries did it in the very last decade, but we surrounded Iran with military bases.

So we are not doing it because Iran is a threat. Occidental countries are technically more threatening ([http://www.globalresearch.ca/we-re-going-to- take-out-7-count...](http://www.globalresearch.ca/we-re-going-to-take- out-7-countries-in-5-years-iraq-syria-lebanon-libya-somalia-sudan-iran/5166)), we just don't see it because we don't threaten each other. We are doing it for other reasons.

They got oil and a strategic position in the middlewest, There is probably a lot more to know to understand the motivation to make it the number one enemy.

Bottom line, we are not good doers, and attacking NK doesn't bring anything to our table, so we won't do it.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER22> Where do I sign up for these North Korean press releases?

<comment><USER23> [https://www.reddit.com/r/northkorea](https://www.reddit.com/r/northkorea)

</comment></comment><comment><USER24> Funny how this is now considered a bad thing when the only country ever to murder innocents and children with one is America.

<comment><USER25> This is a comfortable stance to take 70 years after the fact.

In WWII: Over 60 million people were killed, which was about 3% of the 1940 world population (est. 2.3 billion).

The US ended the war in the pacific with those bombs(129,000–246,000+ killed), who knows how many more would have died with an invasion of Japan. The second would not have been dropped if the Japanese had surrounded and ended the war. BTW, the US did not start the war. I'm not saying I support it, I'm just saying stop Monday morning quarterbacking.

<comment><USER26> The US could have "ended" the war by simply walking away. At that stage the war was effectively won and dropping the Bombs had very little to do with military strategy.

The argument that the Bombs "ended the war" is patent bs, and it keeps being repeated unchallenged as a justification for what was effectively a war crime.

<comment><USER27> Actually, even after the bombs were dropped, several high-ranking Japanese military officials were planning a coup to stop those were planning on surrendering to the Allies at that point. There was significant support to fight until the very last.

It is debatable where it was necessary to drop the bombs on populated areas as opposed to Tokyo Bay, but it is without a doubt that the nuclear bomb and subsequent further threat ended the conflict.

<comment><USER26> And what would they do ? Swim to California with knifes between their teeth ? Japan posed no thread to the US at that stage of the war. The conflict was over, the allies have won.

The bombings were geopolitical stage props.

<comment><USER28> The allies had hardly won. Much of Asia was still under Japanese rule. The Japanese still controlled Singapore, Hong Kong, massive swaths of China and South East Asia, Korea, Taiwan, etc. The idea that the US could have simply "walked away" at that point is ludicrous.

<comment><USER26> Nonsense. Russia would have occupied Tokyo within the month, maybe less, Japan was defeated, and thoroughly. The US needed Japan to surrender to them, not Russia, and so it was.

<comment><USER4> The USSR had no real amphibious capability to carry out such a plan.

Civilians were dying at a rate of something like a quarter million per month in all the various Japanese-occupied areas at this point in the war. If the atomic bombings sped up the surrender by just three weeks they were a net win in terms of lives. (And yeah, I know how morally difficult that calculation is, but that's war.)

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER29> And in ten years time, we'll have the "pleasure" of seeing similar from Iran.

<comment><USER30> No chance. The problems associated with the sanctions were far more of a problem for the Ayatollahs than the benefits of having a nuclear weapon. Obama was spot on with the diplomatic solution.

Pretty sure Iran is quite fine with its proxy wars and regional destabilisation. They are getting pretty good at it and causing far more headaches for the West.

<comment><USER29> Let's circle back to this thread in ten years, if HN is still here ;-)

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER31> If that was indeed a fusion weapon, then North Korea may have just handed the presidency to Trump.

<comment><USER32> I seriously doubt that the American population is that gullible. On top of that hispanics and blacks hate him. Those two groups represent a large voting block. Other groups like woman, muslim, and asians don't appear to like him very much so I don't see how he is going to win.

<comment><USER33> Black voters seem likely to vote in higher numbers for Trump than any other Republican as do working class White Democrats. That isn't to say Trump will win those demographics, but 20% of the Black vote should be enough for any Republican to win nationally when the Republican average is 5% lately.

Hispanics don't vote in large numbers and Chicanos -- the only category Trump might be especially unpopular with -- overwhelmingly don't live in swing states or turn out to vote. Muslims don't make up a large voting block and already are overwhelmingly Democrats.

I'm not predicting a Trump victory, but you are far too sanguine about his chances and the underlying demographic realities.

<comment><USER32> Well,every vote Trump looses counts. The White vote is not one unified voting block that will vote republican. You have his main supporters that will vote for him no matter what and then you have everybody else. Not every republican will vote for him. Unless he can unify the white vote, doubt it, then how is supposed to win?

I guess the newspaper articles claiming you need certain percentage of Hispanics to win the presidency have lied. I will not debate you on this point since I'm no expert. Add to the fact that he has pissed off more people than just Latinos and his chances appear slimmer. But maybe I'm just misinformed.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER34> This seems incredibly unlikely. Anyone with a good machine shop and some fissile material can build a fission bomb in their garage (ok, it's not _that_ easy). But fusion bombs are another beast altogether.

Fusion bombs work by setting off a fission primary stage inside a closed container, which ignites fusion in a deuterium secondary stage. But the devil is in the details. The energy from the primary (in the form of either neutrons, heat, or X-rays; which one it is is highly classified) needs to be focused through an interstage (the details of which are, again, classified) into some sort of styrofoam (really) medium which turns into plasma. This somehow starts fusing the deuterium inside it, which involves the use of a fissile "spark plug" to produce more neutrons. And deuterium isn't that easy to come by. The whole process is so tricky that the British couldn't get it to work for a long time after the Americans gave them plans.

So, yeah, I don't believe it.

<comment><USER35> I like to think that NK built their bomb based on plans they found on the Internet from some Anarchist Cookbook wannabe and are now scratching their heads as to why it didn't work properly.</comment></comment>


Covid-19 risk and severity related to blood type - <AUTHOR> http://nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2020283?query=featured_coronavirus#article_references <comment><AUTHOR> [https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-blood-type- patients...](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-blood-type-patients- sickest-covid-19/)

[https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200618/Blood-types- and-C...](https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200618/Blood-types-and- COVID-19-risk-confirmed.aspx)</comment>


Pwman - <AUTHOR> https://folk.uio.no/vegardno/pwman/ <comment><AUTHOR> This small tool has a great (and intuitive) approach to password management. Click "What is this?" and read the description. It is much better than saving your passwords locally in plain text or on someone else's server. (e. g. LastPass, 1Password, etc.)

It won't auto-fill the password for you, but it is technically possible to develop a Chrome / FF extension to do that.</comment>


Show HN: Slate – Spreadsheet Visualisation Beta Launch - <AUTHOR> https://useslate.com/

<comment><USER2> I love it - I do this by hand so often.

Quality control: Tools and experience get you a long way with quality, although two calculations are key to understanding how to control quality. 1) Percentage of defects remaining. 2) Defect removal rate of a quality control process. \- When you understand these, you will see it is the manual process that has 80% of the impact and tools 20%. Your tool looks like it will speed up the manual process no end.

Maybe use "Making Spreadsheet Formulas Understandable." Or something that makes it clear the focus is on formulas and not say graphs. "Spreadsheet Formula Visualisation"?

Good luck - I am working on improving spreadsheets - www.cellmaster.com.au - drop me a line and I will add you to linkedin - or something.

</comment><comment><USER3> I watched the video, because I thought it could be useful for our monthly discussion of metrics (revenue, etc.).

My Feedback

Presentation: I disliked the music; it created a leisurly feel and reminded me of soft drink commercials.

Tool: In general I like the idea of "zooming" into the numbers and the presentation format of a tree. However I think there was too much horizontal scrolling involved. I think that by this you lose the all-important overview. Maybe something like prezie could work better here...

Just my 2 cents.

<comment><USER4> Thanks for the feedback and sorry you dislike the music! We thought that the voiceover needed something extra so added it. As we move out of beta, we will definitely be looking at ways of improving the UI - ease of navigation is super important

<comment><USER2> I know some people who create videos/short movies. They said, people will forgive bad quality images, but not bad quality sound. They said getting the sound right matters more than the visuals.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> Slate is hammering on such a huge problem in organisations. Spreadsheets are still the programming tool of the masses and there really aren't good debugging tools for them.

I'm really interested to see where this goes. Nice work guys.</comment>


Adblocking is Missing the Point - <AUTHOR> http://www.inforift.com/adblocking-is-missing-the-point

<comment><USER2> People who use ad blockers are people who likely wouldn't respond to the ads anyway so the advertiser isn't missing anything.

The problem is Ars is charging advertisers on a CPM basis so the more ad impressions the more Ars gets paid. They could just raise the CPM they charge to account for the lower impressions. Hopefully advertisers would understand the impressions are of more value because some of the low value visitors already "opted out" by using ad blockers.

Or they can charge on a cost per click basis.

<comment><USER3> It's unlikely Ars has any direct control over their CPM; its likely determined by an algorithm that already takes CTR into account. It would be interesting to see the internal Ars numbers to see what happened to theid revenue after ad blocking people turned off adblock; theoretically their CTR should have gone down significantly, lowering their CPM. The question is, assuming that's what happened, did the excess impressions make up for the lower CPM?

</comment></comment><comment><USER4> the author thinks he is immune to ads because he doesn't click. so... why all those ads before the internet?

<comment><AUTHOR> Immunity implies disease. As long as we are talking about advertising in those terms, then something is wrong.

Once we get a way to connect businesses to the consumers who truly need their product or service, then we have something to work with.

And by the way: the advent of the internet was/is a pretty huge deal. Things before and things after are necessarily very different.

<comment><USER5> _Things before and things after are necessarily very different._

I would say that "things before and things after are not necessarily the same."

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER6> My use of ad blocking came about the same time viruses came to a head and I decided to shut them all down to solve the problem. Maybe what's needed is a more intelligent ad-blocker that can discriminate against the more intruding ads and leave the "see and click" ads alone..

</comment><comment><USER7> Single anonymous blogger claims that advertising is fundamentally broken, and, thus, that all the parties collectively investing billions of dollars into it each year are fools, who do no ROI calculations on their dollars spent.

Yeah right.

<comment><AUTHOR> By your logic, spam is also working fine because the people who invest money into it are getting the ROI they desire.

Anyway, I'm hardly a "single" voice on the topic:

[http://www.drawar.com/articles/dont-let-ads-kill-your- site/6...](http://www.drawar.com/articles/dont-let-ads-kill-your-site/61/)

And here's a non-anonymous blogger who is/has spoken on the same topic at SXSW. I didn't make it there, but I'm looking forward to a synopsis or a video.

 _"Online Advertising: Losing the Race to the Bottom"_

<http://my.sxsw.com/events/event/617>

"How individuals and groups can maintain some shred of dignity and support themselves by creating ad and sponsorship programs that _benefit and respect publishers, readers and advertisers._ Presented by John Gruber of Daring Fireball and Jim Coudal of Coudal Partners and The Deck Network."

(emphasis mine)</comment></comment>


Google changed the logo - <AUTHOR> http://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresting/comments/26exyh/google_moved_the_g_left_one_pixel_and_the_l_down

<comment><AUTHOR> Here's an animated gif: [http://gizmodo.com/google-changed-its-logo-this- weekend-and-...](http://gizmodo.com/google-changed-its-logo-this-weekend-and- you-didnt-even-1582005359)</comment>


Everything Virtual - criticism of current trends in virtualisation - <AUTHOR> http://ptribble.blogspot.com/2009/09/everything-virtual.html

<comment><USER2> His point in a nutshell:

       1. Virtualization should be called *machine* virtualization
       2. Machine virtualization is useful, but not revolutionary

"useful but not revolutionary"... maybe that's why adoption is so high: you don't have to throw away everything you know.

<comment><USER3> Your summary matches what I read.

The blog post was rather short, and the only thing the author seems to dislike is the naming scheme. Very odd.</comment></comment>


How to Securely Allow Users to Upload Files (PHP) - <AUTHOR> https://paragonie.com/blog/2015/10/how-securely-allow-users-upload-files <comment><USER2> Another approach: [http://nullcandy.com/php-image-upload-security-how-not-to- do...](http://nullcandy.com/php-image-upload-security-how-not-to-do-it/)

<comment><USER3> The advice in the NullCandy article is entirely Apache dependent, while the advice in the Paragon article works regardless of your chosen webserver.</comment></comment>


Who Owns the Biggest Biotech Discovery of the Century? (2014) - <AUTHOR> http://www.technologyreview.com/featuredstory/532796/who-owns-the-biggest-biotech-discovery-of-the-century/

<comment><USER2> Considering that much of this research was likely paid for in part by federal grants and taxpayer money, especially research done on college campuses... I'm not a fan of watching this "IP war."

In the end, it probably means delayed implementation in to therapies while companies battle it out in court, followed by insanely expensive treatments denied by insurance companies all while a few new billionaires are minted and thousands of people suffer and die unnecessarily.

/end jaded pessimism

<comment><USER3> I work in tech transfer office of a major research university. We are responsible for protecting the IP of our inventors and licensing it. We work hard to get research from the lab out into industry where it can have the broadest application and best chance for making an impact. For biological and pharmaceutical technologies, it can take quite some time to make this transition, and there is often a lot of risk that techniques which work well in the lab may fail when scaled or otherwise adapted for industry. Clinical trials take a lot of time and money, and the FDA review process is stringent. Those are all risks shouldered by our commercial partners whether they be start-ups or large multi-nationals. For our part, we need to make sure that they have the protection they need to carry those risks over a span of years until a product can make it to market. That protection starts as soon as we first file a provisional patent for a technology and continues through the patent lifecycle (continuations, divisionals, international phase, etc). There is a large cost to this from a university perspective, and we are provided with the budget to handle that (federal funds are not used to cover the patent costs).

We are also very selective in how we license these technologies. The split is generally between exclusive and non-exclusive licensing, and we try to make the best call given the particular technology we're dealing with. In many cases, the technology is quite specific and there may only be a handful of companies in need of it. In many other scenarios we recognize the potentially broad application of the technology and work out ways to license it non- exclusively. There are also times when corporate partners aren't ready to bite due to the lack of maturity of the innovation. In those cases, we can help spin off startups to continue the development of the technology until it has reached a stage where it is more attractive to investors.

One of the most important parts of this whole process is the royalty side of things. Since we are able to protect the IP and license it responsibly, our office generates a large amount of revenue. That money goes back to the university in a somewhat-complex system of distributions where the inventor's department and lab get a cut to help continue their research. Importantly, the inventors themselves also get direct payouts from the licensing revenue. I think we can all agree that if we were unable to patent and license their inventions, then they would not be able to share in the success of their efforts.

* Full disclosure: We have licensed IP to the company mentioned in this article

<comment><USER4> _industry where it can have the broadest application and best chance for making an impact_

Does impact there ever have a definition other than 'revenue for the university'?

I realize this is a somewhat pointed question, perhaps even obnoxious, but if the answer is otherwise, I'm wondering why bureaucrats in a tech transfer office are the ones deciding when it is proper to forgo revenue for some other societal benefit?

<comment><USER3> By your same logic, why would a researcher devote decades to making an impact in their field? Is it purely altruistic? Is it because they love to see their articles cited in journals? Is it because their technologies can be licensed and put into broad use?

It's hard to picture a case where we would broadly open a patent for anybody to use at no cost. In cases where that would be the likely outcome, we simply won't bother patenting the technology, and allow it to be published without protection if the researcher so chooses.

We are no blindly profit-seeking on behalf of the university, however. We are good partners in negotiation and understand the cases where certain technologies might have immense value to some but won't generate a large amount for the university. We often invest a lot of time and money into technologies that don't necessarily end up making the impact our researchers had hoped. Maybe the tech couldn't be adapted to work at scale or maybe it couldn't pass clinical trials. There are also the cases where we work hard to find partners for orphan drugs. That is a critical area of medicine that in by no means lucrative, but it can make a huge impact to a small population of patients. One success we've had in that area was Myozyme [1].

And not to be pedantic, but since we're on HN, I figured I'd clarify that we really don't fit any accepted definition of bureaucratic [2].

1\. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alglucosidase_alfa](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alglucosidase_alfa)

2\. [http://www.merriam- webster.com/dictionary/bureaucracy](http://www.merriam- webster.com/dictionary/bureaucracy)

<comment><USER4> [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bureaucracy](http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bureaucracy)

 _the body of officials and administrators, especially of a government or government department._

Of course you aren't a government department, but you are a body of administrators at a publicly funded institution.

I don't mind that universities license technology in order to capture revenue. What I don't like is obfuscating the activity behind words like 'impact'.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> This is probably the CRISPR technique article is talking about [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CRISPR](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CRISPR)

" By delivering the Cas9 protein and appropriate guide RNAs into a cell, the organism's genome can be cut at any desired location."

Holy crap, I had no idea the field was this advanced.

<comment><USER6> Yes, there were a couple of threads about this few days ago... [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9235912](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9235912)

</comment></comment><comment><USER7> At [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asilomar_Conference_on_Recombin...](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asilomar_Conference_on_Recombinant_DNA) in 1975 scientists agreed to a moratorium on certain types of genetic research. Basically everyone agreed.

I don't know how true it is, but a professor of mine who was active in this type of research back then said that as soon as the moratorium expired, everyone published all these fantastic results from huge complicated experiments that they had very obviously been doing during the moratorium.

It's hard to put the genie back in the bottle.

</comment><comment><USER8> This is almost entirely sourced from the MIT Technology Review's original reporting:

[http://www.technologyreview.com/featuredstory/532796/who- own...](http://www.technologyreview.com/featuredstory/532796/who-owns-the- biggest-biotech-discovery-of-the-century/)

<comment><USER9> Thanks, we updated the link from [http://www.fiercebiotech.com/story/who- really-controls-revol...](http://www.fiercebiotech.com/story/who-really- controls-revolutionary-new-crispr-cas9-technology/2014-12-05).

</comment></comment><comment><USER10> Was wondering if someone can give a layman's explanation of how CRISPR gene editing works and its potential applications?

Not trying to start any startup, instead just trying to learn more about CRISPR...

</comment><comment><USER11> "Zhang--who maintains he did the work independently"

So he has a wet lab at home? color me skeptical.

But I suppose you might as well do what you can to get a slice of a multi- billion dollar pie.

<comment><USER12> He doesn't mean independently from the university he works at, he means independently from the other researchers who also discovered the technology.

<comment><USER11> Either way the university owns the IP regardless of who the "inventor" on the patent is, so why is this relevant?

<comment><USER12> Because universities commonly provide exclusive out-licensing for the patents they own? The inventor here started his own company based on the work the university owns.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER13> That website. Omfg.</comment>


The employees shut inside coffins - <AUTHOR> http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34797017 <comment><USER2> Korean here. Korea is too competitive, and its system is so corrupt that younger people are feeling hopeless and committing suicide. For them, it's the last resort and the only way out of their misery. It's been many years since Korea has taken its place as no.1 in suicidal rate. It's currently the worst time for the younger generations with very high unemployment rate and very low wages ($5 minimum wage while average housing price in Seoul is hitting its record high around $500k). Yet, what people with power and money are trying is to blame them for not having a "strong" and "positive" mindset. I once watched a TV show where they gathered up people with failed suicide attempts. They end up saying "love yourself". Instead of fixing obvious systematic problems, they always blame the poor people and tell them things like "money doesn't buy you a happiness." and "love is a cure to every problem". It just makes me so angry.

EDIT: They also say things like "Be more appreciative that you were not born in North Korea!"

<comment><USER3> The unemployment rate for under 25 in places like Spain and Greece is 50%. Why aren't we seeing more suicide there?

I think there's something specific about suicide in the East that we just don't have in the West for whatever reason. There's a sort of social acceptance of it, but here, there's no tolerance of it. Maybe there's more resources for depressed people in the West as mental illness is beginning to shed its stigma since the start of things like psychoanalysis and the mainstreaming of therapy and anti-depressants. These things may not have properly made it to Asia. Not to mention, societies based on Confucianism put so much emphasis on shame that a reasonable way out of it is to just kill yourself. The idea of treating mental illness and challenging suicide acceptance may be culturally repellant and tough to challenge. Japan also suffers from this and is famous for its suicide forests and very high suicide rate.

<comment><USER4> > I think there's something specific about suicide in the East that we just > don't have in the West for whatever reason.

Are you sure? I'm not so sure. I think we just don't talk about it. There is _a lot_ of suicide in the West. Staggeringly plenty.

Look at any statistics and you'll see that in most of the West, suicide is at the very peak of causes of death. 10th leading cause of death in 2013 officially.[1] And that doesn't count all those "Swerved left into oncoming traffic for no obvious reason" cases.

And pay attention to the news. Every "found dead in their apartment" news report for a famous person is a suicide. There's a lot of those.

But the West has a very strong ethic of not reporting suicide for fear of suicide epidemics. That's why celebrity suicides are never reported as suicides and why suicides in general rarely make it into the news.[2]

In short, suicide is a very real problem in the West too.

[1] [http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/suicide- datasheet-...](http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/suicide- datasheet-a.PDF)

[2] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copycat_suicide#Journalism_cod...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copycat_suicide#Journalism_codes)

<comment><USER5> I literally just yesterday saw on national television news a report that suicide is the second leading cause of death for teenagers in the US.

Rather than invoking conspiracy theories, consider this much simpler theory: Western media doubles as entertainment and doesn't report much on suicide when they don't have to because it's fucking depressing.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER6> At first I thought it was some employer gone crazy.

Halfway down, I realize it's just like any other big company tactics. Some upper management suggest all employees practice positive thinking, offering a course on how do deal with stress, forced laughter, etc.

Then I wondered how common this practice was for a company to offer this to their employees in the same way a company would offer free massages or therapy.

Seems to be a common, even competitive business in Korea.

Now I'm not sure how I feel about it. It could be some big new spiritual trend, but it could also be some shady business taking advantage of the depressed.

<comment><USER7> Personally, I thinks it's way, way past any acceptable measure to improve positive thinking and engagement. It's closer to a shock tactic than to any _new-age_ /*spiritual "put life into perspective" thing.

Really, it's just too deliberately traumatic.

<comment><USER8> _It 's closer to a shock tactic than to any new-age/_spiritual "put life into perspective" thing.*

Actually, things like "Est" often used shock tactics, and were deliberately traumatic. (Though only slightly in the vast scheme of things.)

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER9> Before looking at the article I thought it was a new office layout. No more cube farms, no more open layout, now we put people into little work coffins.

<comment><USER10> Not far from truth. Not far at all for many of us.

PS: Some good ole Pink Floyd music would suit this as well.

<comment><USER11> Some psychedelics would probably make the experience far more effective as well.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER12> "This person doesn't even have limbs and they learned to swim. And you can't deal with your own stupid little problems?" Not exactly a confidence builder. It just guilts you back into living.

<comment><USER13> Some of us gain perspective from comparisons like that. We don't need guilt to motivate us. Its unfair to imagine folks only react to guilt but not to a real appreciation of their situation.

<comment><USER12> Well, I know what it's for, and I can appreciate that aspect. I just know it's been used on me and had that effect.

<comment><USER13> Steinbeck (in Grapes of Wrath?) had a character recite the 5 levels of moral development. It went something like this:

1) I don't want to get in trouble

2) I want to please someone

3) I want to follow the rules

4) I want to help other people

and the highest level,

5) I have a personal moral code, and I abide by it

He explained these as levels we reach with age - entering school at age 5 or 6 we first hide from trouble. Then in first grade we want to please the nice teacher. Somewhere in middle school kids become rules-lawyers. Later in life they may learn to be philanthropic.

People can be stuck at one of these early levels for life.

<comment><USER14> I think it's not just age, but the wealth and prosperity that can go along with it. It's easier to have a moral code and look down on those with less when your own needs and wants are secure.

<comment><USER13> My old minister used to say "We can have all the morals we can afford"

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER8> My Korean mom mentions dying all the time. It's not unusual for her to manage to come out with "being born...is a license to _die!_ " (complete with pointed finger) in the middle of a conversation. One of her favorite superlatives is "Oh, it was so [adjective] I was going to die!" She'd also often use the equivalent of, "would it have killed you? No, you should kill it!" I have no idea if this is a Korean thing, or if it's just my mom being weird. I grew up in a place where we had to drive 50 miles to be with other asians.

In my creole ex-girlfriend's family, you never mentioned death. _Ever._ To do so was to tempt fate.

<comment><USER15> I think that many Confucian cultures feature a _general_ sense of shame, fatalism, and inevitable death that is coupled with a _specific_ drive toward self-improvement and seizing the day. We're all imperfect beings who are going to die eventually, so might as well live it up when you can. At least, that's the message I get from my Chinese father.

Many American-Christian cultures, by contrast, have a general sense of optimism, redemption, eternalism, and a belief that the future will be better than the past, coupled with specific feelings of guilt, irresponsibility, and imperfection. God loves us and He will forgive our sins, as long as we accept Him into our hearts. And so this drive to master the world before it masters us is not so strong, because the world is fundamentally benevolent. At least that was the message I got from my Irish-Catholic maternal grandfather.

The juxtaposition of the two belief systems is very striking, if you're exposed to both, and can lead to many misunderstandings. I remember being so frustrated with my dad and his constant pronouncements that the world was about to end in 3 weeks, a belief that, when I mention it to American friends, is considered outright paranoia. But having grown up a bit and married a Taiwanese-American woman who once lived in rural Peru, it's interesting to compare different cultures and their fundamental beliefs. This belief that we're eternally dying doesn't seem to faze most Asians; they just accept it and go about their life.

It's also interesting to see how quickly many Asians adopt Christianity once they immigrate to the West. I've got both family members and in-laws who have gone that route; I'd imagine that the promise of eternal salvation when coming from a culture that has this constant background message of inevitable death and societal decay must be pretty attractive.

<comment><USER8> My mom's side of the family has been Catholic for some generations now. I think we even have some martyrs in our family. Mom's very staunchly Catholic, though she's more progressive than all the popes prior to this one. It's more of an identity to her than an ideology.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER16> If I worked for such company, I would probably feel better INSIDE the coffin.

<comment><USER17> My sentiment exactly - at least inside the coffin in that exercise you're temporarily isolated from the craziness outside.

</comment></comment><comment><USER18> Just woke up to the most clickbait title I've ever seen in the day. On topic: This article touched me and I want to change the direction where my life is headed. I'm sure this experience is very vivid for them.

</comment><comment><USER3> Stuff like this is why I welcome the upcoming automation/AI/robot revolution. Humans just don't handle stress well. We're a mess when things go wrong or we feel slighted or feel stuck or whatever. Its incredible how delicate we are and how office work, which was promised to be a pleasant alternative to factory/farming work, is just as bad, if not worse than the alternatives from a stress perspective.

There's something terribly unhealthy about being stuck in an office all day. The risk/reward mechanism is screwy (do an amazing job, get the same salary as doing a lackluster job), we don't move enough, don't get enough sunlight, and it brings out the worst of people as getting ahead usually means playing a mean and dishonest game of politics against your coworkers.

</comment><comment><USER19> A lotof the cultural aspects described in this article also apply to Japan almost litterally. Its not just a Korean thing.

<comment><USER20> Japan's stint as an imperial power in Korea has left a large impact in the overall culture there

<comment><USER19> I'm not sure it's so much Japan's impact as a colonial power than the general influence of confusianism.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER21> The most likely outcome of this for me would be that I would quit and go backpacking. :)

</comment><comment><USER22> Is anyone in South Korea able to comment on why there's such a high sucide rate?

According two Wikipedia, it's ranked number #2 in the world and double the rate of sucide of America:

[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide...](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate)

<comment><USER11> One theory is Durkheim's suicide hypothesis: South Korea's industrial development has ripped apart the traditional society (already badly damaged by the country's partition and the Korean War), and social norms and society have not yet consolidated on new adaptive ways [https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=durkheim+suicide+south+...](https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=durkheim+suicide+south+korea)

If so, we can hope that SK will gradually improve, especially if they can figure out how to corral the out-of-control signaling arms-race which is their educational system. (Although this also predicts bad news for China in the coming decades.)

<comment><USER23> This is interesting, to treat a high suicide rate as a symptom of some other problem, rather than the main problem in and of itself. I wish these fancy American social scientists were capable of taking a similar look at USA, but alas it's all beams and motes.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER24> OT : In the US, coffins are a big money maker for funeral homes which have been accused of running a racket. Basically many funeral homes overcharge for the coffins, engage in price fixing, and make claims (such as preserving the body) that cannot be substantiated.

[https://www.globalaffairs.org/threads/funeral-homes-and- coff...](https://www.globalaffairs.org/threads/funeral-homes-and-coffin- racket.24154/)

Although there are some consumer protection laws in place, e.g. in some states, funeral homes _must_ allow you to provide your own coffin. If you do, however, they will just charge you more for other services to make up the difference.

The funeral industry is another area which needs _disruption_.

<comment><USER25> Basically, like with so many things, The Big Lebowski is right.

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKjBFsyYC0g](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKjBFsyYC0g)

</comment></comment><comment><USER26> From the article:

 _> In a large room in a nondescript modern office block in Seoul, staff from a recruitment company are staging their own funerals. Dressed in white robes, they sit at desks and write final letters to their loved ones. Tearful sniffling becomes open weeping, barely stifled by the copious use of tissues._

 _> The macabre ritual is a bonding exercise designed to teach them to value life. Before they get into the casket, they are shown videos of people in adversity - a cancer sufferer making the most of her final days, someone born without all her limbs who learned to swim._

Showing how worse things could be is a very cheap and torturous way to build appreciation and attempt to increase morale.

 _> The participants at this session were sent by their employer, human resources firm Staffs. "Our company has always encouraged employees to change their old ways of thinking, but it was hard to bring about any real difference," says its president, Park Chun-woong._

 _> "I thought going inside a coffin would be such a shocking experience it would completely reset their minds for a completely fresh start in their attitudes."_

And also

 _> He [Park Chun-woong, company president] also insists that his staff engage in another ritual every morning when they get to work - they must do stretching exercises together culminating in loud, joint outbursts of forced laughter. They bray uproariously, like laughing asses together. It is odd to see._

Here is a much better way to improve morale and to prevent the helplessness that leads to suicides:

\- pay workers a livable wage

\- create an environment where the workday is completely and separated from the personal day

\- and one where it is possible for the worker to fully live their lives apart from their workplaces

Then none of these charades will ever be necessary again.

<comment><USER27> I think you misread this from beginning. As someone from eastern asian background, this feels not like some shady play that employer forces people into, rather I think it is close to a what is a catharsis or some sort of confession in western countries.

The belief system of Sinosphere is built on ancestor worship. Every year, family gather together and goes to ancestor's tomb, do some cleaning and present offering to the other world, memorizing the ceased while appreciating contemporary life. I think this ritual works pretty much the same way, though it might feel weird, but outcome isn't that bad.

<comment><USER28> Even 'catharsis' as a Western idea isn't actually that helpful in practice. For example, taking out your anger and feeling 'cathartic' is known to make your emotional problems worse, not better, because you've given it a physical outlet that affects everyone around you.

This is totally a cult-worshipping style setup where the name of the game isn't employee health but ever increasing amounts of company loyalty. Notice how one of the participants was quoted as wanting to "bring more passion" to their work. People who need this treatment need a bigger life change than some theatrics plus some what is most likely unenthusiastic if not totally coerced admission that the bullshit helped.

Finally, don't bring "eastern asian background" into this. You should be able to argue for or against something without using your background to appeal to idiots and racists.

<comment><USER29> > Finally, don't bring "eastern asian background" into this. You should be > able to argue for or against something without using your background to > appeal to idiots and racists.

This x 10. There is being open-minded and there is letting your brains fall out. You can be culturally sensitive, but that should stop when you see victims being stamped upon by a large firm boot, slowly and quietly into the dirt.

<comment><USER30> Who gets to say if not the people themselves?

Assuming you know better than the people might be the boot stamping you don't see.

(I'm not part of the culture and have no opinion of it. I just disagree that being east asian is irrelevant to something happening involving east asian cultures and religious practices.)

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER31> I wonder if it has the opposite to the intended outcome.

<comment><USER32> Me too. If you have been contemplating suicide, this could serve as a rehearsal showing you that it wouldn't be so bad. A depressed brain can react to input in ways that seem counterintuitive for the non-depressed.

</comment></comment><comment><USER33> How is this different from mock execution? If it's supposed to feel like dying not that much?

[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mock_execution](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mock_execution)

<comment><USER34> During a mock execution the victim actually believes they are about to die.

</comment></comment><comment><USER35> a whole country with the work ethic of a new business owner. while some may loathe the idea as exploitation many nations go through their phase of putting more into society than you take out. this usually ends when politicians start amassing power and use promises of largess to keep it. it does alter a society and I am curious if Asian cultures will be more resistant to it. (the other thing power amassing politicians to exaggerate differences between all)

<comment><USER36> [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_South_Korea](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_South_Korea)

</comment></comment><comment><USER37> I wonder if there is any connection to the scene in MASH.

</comment><comment><USER38> Korea would be a great place to open up a sensory deprivation tank business.

</comment><comment><USER39> and here I am wasting my time on an open source project

</comment><comment><USER40> How do they get wifi?

</comment><comment><USER41> A cubicle is like that

</comment><comment><USER42> Mitchell Jessen and Associates have successfully pivoted into management consulting.

</comment><comment><USER17> They can also reuse the coffins for the people they kick out, but this time nail them shut.</comment>