High Anxiety (raganwald on Go and learning new things) - <AUTHOR> http://github.com/raganwald/homoiconic/blob/master/2009-10-20/high_anxiety.md#readme

<comment><USER2> I've taught Go to over fifty people over the years - and i've seen this over and over again: some people have shaking hands putting down the first stone in their first game ever.

For some reason they assume they ought to be good from the beginning. Even in their first game they try to be original. They're afraid to imitate moves they saw someone else play. It feels like watching someone trying to learn a language by not imitating the sounds they hear when others speak it.

But those that i saw who became really good, were always on the other end of the spectrum. Those who jump right in and played /really/ bad without any anxiety or pressure (no thinking at all and mostly just stubborn imitation of moves they saw someone else play before) and fast (many many many games, often not even to the end), almost always sticked to the game long enough to learn to appreciate and enjoy it, and sometimes even managed to excel at it.

There's something magical about the fearlessness of just playing. Pure curiosity, maybe even quite a bit of ambition, but especially the absolute surrender to repeated and premeditated failure.

<comment><USER3> This is the most provocative comment I've read on my post. Reading it, I find myself thinking I will never be good because I have some sort of emotional disability that gives me shaking hands compared to some other people that are imbued with the magic gift of curiosity and fearlessness.

Logically, I consider the possibility that such things can be learned or cultivated, and that perhaps I can one day be fearless and curious. But emotionally, there is something pessimistic inside me that believes I will always be this way.

It's quite a disturbing thing to contemplate.

<comment><USER2> I don't think your problems with Go are at all a given. Playing repeatedly and fast is a choice you can make out of pure logic.

Go is a language and should be tought like a language. You don't explain phonetics to a child, but instead let it immitate sounds, scream and giggle. Try explaining phonetics to a six-month-old child.

There's no reason why you couldn't just play a game, play fast without thinking, and immediately start another one, maybe even before finishing the first one. What you're doing that way is not looking for ways to win, but for the responses you get for your actions. It's like babbling 'apdy' at your father and getting back a 'daddy'. Thinking about how to use your vocal chords isn't going to get you there, what you need is practice. It may not look like you're learning, but well, you do.

View it as learning the sounds of a completely new language, and imagine you're a baby trying to appreciate the noises someone else makes and then try to immitate them. There's really nothing about you that prevents you from doing this except a choice.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER4> When I was eight years old, my father taught me to play Go. My father is terrible at Go, probably the worst player I've ever played. So, I entered college thinking I was fairly good.

I got completely, embarrassingly, destroyed in my first game. And the next two.

After that, I read a book on it, probably the same one the author read (Learn to Play Go by Janice Kim) and didn't really follow at all. Still getting destroyed.

Then I did what the author didn't do: I played at least twenty games of Go a day. I played a Windows program called Igowin, I played a really bad Palm app while standing in lines or on the bus, I played GNU Go on my laptop.

At first I lost every time, then about half the time, then almost never, at which point I played a human again.

And got destroyed, because I had learned tricks to beat the computer, rather than actual good Go techniques.

I guess my point is that this taught me two things: when learning something, there is no substitute for doing it twenty times a day; and that no matter how much you think you have Go figured out, you probably don't.

</comment><comment><USER5> I've been playing go on and off for over ten years now and _heartily_ recommend anyone remotely interested in learning to sign up for kgs (<http://www.gokgs.com/>) and download the java client. There is a fantastic community there, including a few beginner rooms. Often, people will stay after and review the game with you, which is basically a free lesson. People are consistently polite and respectful on kgs, which I can't say of other go networks (igs, for example). Additionally, it's really easy to get a quick match whenever you want with someone appropriately ranked, and it figures out your rank as you play people.

If you're going to play in person, try to play smaller boards, like 9x9, so you can get a sense of tactics and local patterns. Mark_h said it already in this thread, but I'll repeat: lose your first fifty (or more) games as quickly as possible. When you're first getting started, the goal is just to get a handle on how play progresses, not to win. Getting comfortable losing makes it easier to learn.

Web resources I can recommend: <http://playgo.to/iwtg/en/> and <http://senseis.xmp.net/>

Please feel free to find me on kgs, username jrothstein. I'd love to help share my love of the game with other hackers. Also feel free to contact me (info in profile) with any questions about the game or for a review (I'll try my best).

<comment><USER6> I'm blackthorn on kgs... we should play some time. I'm about 5k, though I haven't played in a while.

People are polite on KGS because politeness and topicality are enforced by the moderators.

<comment><USER7> Many of the techinical people I know play go, or atleast know of it. I'm not sure if there is a direct correlation, but generally the stronger they are at Go, the better of a programmer and learner they are in general.

If anyone here is interested in learning or playing, I am about 2d on KGS (nickBlake) and would be willing to play or teach anyone.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER8> This post makes me want to start a blog, just to answer some of these questions.

Go is really hard to teach. I try to avoid it whenever possible. This isn't trying to be a wiseass; i find this actually has some great effects. I've found teaching go has to be a student-driven process to be successful; the onus is on the student to generate questions, and, to go another step, the student must seek & have the experiences that will generate the questions. This almost always means playing go for yourself.

This implies that the student has already conquered a lot of (very real) internal fears; the fear of performing incompetently, the fear of being thought dumb. The fear of failure, basically. An interesting thing to run across on a blog for entrepreneurs.

The saddest part about that article was that so many of those sentences are "I" sentences; you write "I feel" this, "i think" that, "I am [x], i won't be [y], i will never be [z]". Even the comments about your friend are defined in terms of yourself. The problem is that probably no one else is as concerned about your performance as you are.

This is something that could be incredibly liberating from the right perspective. Who is judging you here? Not your friend, certainly! It's not a reflection on your character unless you make it one -- and you don't have to make it one.

Your conclusions at the end are _so close!_ "The courage to play incompetently is a cure for fear of incompetence" this is true, but it's almost a tautology. Perhaps a more useful formulation is this: "The courage to play incompetently is a cure for incompetence." Maybe it is the only cure.

Relax, enjoy, & Dare To Suck -- your performance at something you've never done is not and will not be used as a measurement of your worth as a person. That gift of "curiousity & fearlessness" is not a personality trait; people get nervous when they feel like they're being judged. You're not -- at least, not by anyone but yourself.

See also: <http://senseis.xmp.net/?FearOfLosing> and the go proverb "lose your first 100 games as quickly as you can"

relax & good luck

-seigenblues

P.S. I will happily answer any go questions. Send me a link to your game & questions, (perhaps on eidogo.com), and i will try to answer to the best of my ability (4d kgs).

<comment><USER3> Thanks for your thoughtful comments. I just want to point out that ""The courage to play incompetently is a cure for fear of incompetence" is true, and obviously a tautology. However, it is taken out of context. The full line reads:

 _Competence is not a cure for the fear of incompetence. The courage to play incompetently is a cure for fear of incompetence._ Put in contrast, I think it has more value than standing alone.

<comment><USER8> quite true. I'm sorry for taking you out of context. It is indeed more valuable that way.

I would ask the next question; which is the more important problem we are trying to "cure" -- the lack of competence or the lack of courage? One can lead to the other, but not vice-versa.

<comment><USER3> Lack of courage. I really have no incentive to play Go competently except or the fear of being mocked for not playing this game that my peers venerate as being the domain of deep thinkers with fully functioning right brains.

So if I lose the fear, I'm good. It's then irrelevant whether I ever become competent, except possibly that my playing at a certain level of skill would make it interesting for my friends to play me.

But otherwise, it's just the fear that concerns me.

<comment><USER9> Raganwald,

You are being so honest about your ego that there seems little doubt it is starting to dissolve and you will regain the lightness of touch and mood that betokens huge creative power.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER10> I see this often in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, where beginners not only have no idea what they're doing, but they don't even realize how little they know. And being incompetent in BJJ means you're going to spend many minutes with someone literally on top of you. Some people are so overwhelmed by this experience that they don't come back.

But, my experience has been the people who don't come back are those that thought they would do well - the ones that figured "I'm a tough guy, I can hang." When they do just as one would expect a beginner to do, their ego is hurt so much they just don't want to go through it again. I think that for some, being a "tough guy" is part of their identity, and being confronted with the reality is so jarring they'd rather not even learn.

The ones who stick around are the ones who aren't upset about losing.

</comment><comment><USER11> There's actually a Go proverb (there are lots of these, and they're quite good!) along the lines of "lose your first 50 games as quickly as possible".

Having said that, I struggled to do this (even against a computer I hated to lose, which impeded my progress for ages).

</comment><comment><USER12> I don't know much about the Go game, but this is such a beautifully written article about the general anxiety one encounters while learning new things. I have this exact feeling in my effort to learn programming (despite working as a programmer for 10 years now). Every time I encounter a new concept (possibly very basic), I criticize myself for working as a programmer without knowing such things.

</comment><comment><USER13> One interesting tidbit about Go is that it's one of a very few games where humans are still better than the computer.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Go>

</comment><comment><USER14> I've learned many abstract strategy games. I play some fairly well, others not so much so.

When I approach a new game, I assume it will take many hundreds (or thousands!) of plays to become truly good at it. I assume that I will play poorly for my first N games -- so, it's best to get them out of the way as quickly as possible. I try to think in terms of, "did I learn something from that loss?" -- if the answer is yes, it was still a worthwhile experience.

I think this is a good lesson for learning anything new. I think my first N programs were extremely poorly written. There was so much that I didn't know when I was starting out with programming! Now, 10+ years later I feel like I have a pretty good handle on things, but there are still areas of programming that I would like to know better.

I expect I'd see the same pattern learning anything new. If I were interested in drawing I'd expect the first hundred or more pictures to be lousy. If I wanted to become a writer, I'd expect the first hundred stories to be boring or full of misspellings and poor grammar.

For me, the question is: Does this knowledge make it easier or more difficult to start a new pursuit?

<comment><USER15> You are so great!

<comment><USER14> Sorry, I meant to give the opposite impression. Everyone sucks when starting out with something new. Maybe acknowledging that can help with "first move" anxiety.

Either I didn't express that very well, or it's just not that insightful.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER16> With go there are three very different stages of learning (has something to do with the fact that there are different sized boards). First you learn the rules - how to place the pieces, when is a group alive etc. Then you learn tactics: how are pieces 2-3 spaces apart linked, common patterns, counting etc. Finally you can make use of the 19x19 board and learn strategy - like how it's better to control corners rather then edges and edges rather then the center.

At each step you will get totaled by people who are ahead of you because each step gives you a completely new way of seeing the game. And you can't cheat and "learn ahead": strategy without tactics is useless.

Also, if you hate losing, for the love of god never play online. Sometimes it looks like half the population of Korea is online playing the other half, and when they classify themselves as "beginners" it usually means they can beat you while watching TV.

</comment><comment><USER17> Rather than merely resolving to overcome the fear, I'd make myself imagine what's supposed to be so bad about the thing I'm afraid of (not being top-.001% gifted? being destroyed by an expert? that both occur in view of others?), and reassure myself that the feared outcome is not actually so terrible.

However, making a public resolution is also a good approach.

<comment><USER17> If you don't like what I said, tell me why.

<comment><USER18> The word "platitude" springs to mind, as well as the phrase "it's easier said than done." Everyone knows the basic processes of cognitive behavioral therapy; it's _applying_ them when you're _actually feeling anxiety_ that's hard.

<comment><USER19> >Everyone knows the basic processes of cognitive behavioral therapy

(cough) Um, yeah, of course. Of course we do. (cough) [darts off to wikipedia]

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER20> I think the quote should be "lose your first 50 games as quickly and thoughtfully as possible."

Ideally, you are losing to progressively better opponents. This gives you the opportunity to ask for help and learn better technique as you are losing. Online Go is great because you can record your games and get others to critique them.

I love Go. I love that there are implied threats, feints, and sacrifices. I love that seemingly random moves can be so critical in later stages. Go is a game of experience. You really have to enjoy the process of unraveling the mystery of the game and not worry so much about winning.

</comment><comment><USER21> My older brother taught me to play when I was 8 years old (a long time ago!) - now I can give him a 9 stone handicap :-)

Once, in the late 70s, I got to play the womens world champion when she was in San Diego - awesome experience.

Go is a beautiful game, but not for everyone.

</comment><comment><USER22> When I was an undergraduate living in a dorm, I and several friends all learned Go together. _Nobody_ knew what they were doing, and so no one was particularly nervous. Even keeping score was an exercise in passing around examples from the instruction book.

Not the most efficient way to learn, but among the least stressful -- if you're patient enough with one another.</comment>


Jupiter is deep - <AUTHOR> http://www.syfy.com/syfywire/whoa-like-jupiter-is-deep-really-really-deep <comment><USER2> One thing that might not be related but I found fascinating is that Jupiter is "木星" in Chinese, where "木" means wooden. The first time "木星" was mentioned in Chinese literature was in 东汉, year 25 - year 220 (around 1800 years ago). So Chinese people back then thought the planet was made of wood! And as a child, this planet has the name easiest to remember, because it looks exactly like a wooden ball.

Edit: I digged deeper and found that it was a coincidence that Jupiter was called the Wooden Planet. The Chinese assigned the name not because they were able to observe the wood like texture (due to the lack of telescope), but they were able to observe the existence of the planet with naked eye as early as 2300 years ago, along with the Mercury, Venus, Mars, and Saturn. These five planets were assigned to the name in the order of "金 gold (Venus)","木 wood (Jupiter)","水 water (Mercury)","火 fire (Mars)"."土 rock (Saturn)" superstitiously. What's really surprising is Venus does look like gold in color and Saturn does look like wood in color. What a coincidence!

<comment><USER3> Not an interesting coincidence. Jupiter is hot but Mars gets named fire. Mercury looks like rock (thin atmosphere) but Saturn get called rock. You could find some reason to make almost any naming seem like a coincidence.

<comment><USER4> Not interesting to who? Coincidences can interesting even if they don't point to a causal relationship. I find it interesting that word for Jupiter in Chinese is wood simply because it's an interesting association to make.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> Jupiter is so cool.

Fun fact, Jupiter's Great Red Spot is a huge storm that has been raging for at least 188 years if not much longer. It also has a diameter about 2-3 times as wide as Earth's.

Jupiter also is believed to be a gravitational shield that protects us from asteroids and comets.

Jupiter is also Home to some of the coolest Moons in our solar system, my favorites being Io, Europa, Callisto, and Ganymede (the Galilean moons), in that order.

One question I've always had and hope to learn one day: what the heck is Jupiter's "surface" like? I know it's believe to be essentially layers of metallic hydrogen, but what the heck does that even mean? What would it look like? So interesting.

<comment><USER6> It might not exactly answer your question, but you may enjoy this description of what it would be like to fall into Jupiter:

[https://space.stackexchange.com/a/5041](https://space.stackexchange.com/a/5041)

<comment><USER7> Thanks, that link is fantastic, informative and entertaining at the same time.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER8> Somehow, I knew this was Phil Plait from the title. Love his stuff. And this reminded me that I forgot to migrate my RSS feeds with Phil Plait to his new blog location. Thanks!

</comment><comment><USER9> The renderings are amazing looking! It makes Jupiter looks like an evil planet.

<comment><USER10> Those aren't renderings, they are composite images made from photographs taken of Jupiter using an infrared camera on the Juno spacecraft.

<comment><USER11> What word would you use for composite false-color images produced by a computer if not "renderings"?

<comment><USER10> computer "renderings" has a very specific meaning, creating images from 2D or 3D models.

I would call this a 'composite image.'

<comment><USER11> You might wish to check out the below Wikipedia page, specifically the section titled "types of color renderings"

[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_color](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_color)

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER12> Sometimes I wonder how different our world might be if it were the size of Jupiter but at the surface still had the same gravity we have now.

It could take days to download something from the other side of the planet. And probably a month of airplane travel just to get there.

<comment><USER13> Latency would be higher, and might make phone calls a little awkward perhaps?, but it shouldn't make any longer to download a file. You might want to modify protocols so they send acknowledgements less often, or use larger packets perhaps.

<comment><USER11> Exactly this. It's always amazing to me how latency gets confused with bandwidth.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER14> Really interesting content but this site has one of the most aggressive, unpredictable and annoying slide-down headers I've ever seen.

Displaying written content on the web should be so simple, yet all the content producers have invented their own special blend of ways to fuck it up.

Slide-down headers. Share links widgets that overlap content. Video plays without asking and follows you down the page. Entire page lags while 800 javascript snippets load. Text is some stylish but unreadable low-contrast color. Modals begging you for your email.

I manually edit the DOM and CSS of sites on an almost daily basis now just so I can read it.

<comment><USER15> It's a real shame how HTML completely screwed up the "markup" part by not offering a separate API for UI chrome. If Netscape had offered some way to define navigation separately from the textual content, it might still have saved us. Now it's all just a jumble: documents that describe UI views that describe document fragments that describe UI controls.

</comment></comment><comment><USER16> I do glassblowing as a hobby. I'd like to replicate some of the patterns in those pics in glass. Might have to deviate from the color spectrum in the pictures. The reds I use are nowhere near as intense.

<comment><USER17> Please post a 'Show HN' if you ever do! I'd love to see the process and results and maybe even buy one! What an amazing piece of art it would be.

</comment></comment><comment><USER18> > There's a single Southern Polar Cyclone (the SPC in this case), but only > five cyclones around it! They're bigger too, and are different sizes, > ranging from 5,600 to 7,000 km across. Again, it's not clear why the poles > are different. The fact that there are fewer in the south and they're bigger > may be related (I'm guessing, but if you have fewer they can grow to fill > more space … ?), but no one really knows.

Maybe because the main cyclone escaped the South pole and now known as Big Red Spot?

<comment><USER19> That would mean 7 southern cyclones accounted for. This is still different from the 9 on the northern pole.

<comment><USER18> Maybe because central cyclone merged 2 side cyclones, so it has extra energy to escape South pole.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER20> So... do astronomers _truly_ have no idea why the 9 polar cyclones don't combine? I can't imagine what mechanism might prevent this.

<comment><USER21> It's a relatively common phenomenon in hydrodynamics (specifically, the formation of large separated cyclones in unstable flow), and the best explanation is delightful -- Onsager's "The Little Vortices Who Wanted To Play" (a letter to Linus Pauling, reproduced on page 33 of this PDF: [http://bactra.org/sloth/eyink-and-sreenivasan-on-onsager- on-...](http://bactra.org/sloth/eyink-and-sreenivasan-on-onsager-on- turbulence.pdf) ).

</comment></comment><comment><USER22> Isn't it pointless to ask _why_ a chaotic turbulent system ended up this particular way? The author keeps repeating this question (or stating "nobody knows"), as if there's some fundamental and interesting answer to it.

<comment><USER23> I'm not sure if you're playing with words here, but asking questions like these is the most natural way to discover more about physics itself. Of course studying Jupyter is not as fundamental as studying particle physics or string theory, but it's an emergent physics that nobody has fully explored yet.

</comment></comment><comment><USER24> At least is a twisted planet, that's for sure.

</comment><comment><USER25> The polar cyclone systems look like Magic Roundabouts.

</comment><comment><USER26> Why the title change?

</comment><comment><USER27> Hey, neat!

Jupiter almost has an octagon on it's north pole (and nearly a pentagonal version on it's south pole), similar to Saturn's northern polar hexagon!

[0] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn's_hexagon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn's_hexagon)

[1] [https://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=1930](https://www.smbc- comics.com/index.php?id=1930)

<comment><USER28> Well, that was mentioned in the article too.

<comment><USER27> Yes, and now you've mentioned that it was mentioned in the article. So here we are, mentioning things.</comment></comment></comment>


Why Facebook hasn't ditched PHP - <AUTHOR> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/facebook/why-facebook-hasnt-ditched-php/9536

<comment><USER2> Ha, Yishan "sparklepants" wong, as if sparklepants was a middle name...</comment>


Being Empathetic Is Not Always Helpful – Why the Greatest Strength Is Weakness - <AUTHOR> https://medium.com/better-marketing/being-helpful-is-not-always-helpful-4517da88255f <comment><USER2> Being the person that helps and supports people can bring people closer, but only so close. I find when I want to socialize with people, I hide that side of me, unless necessary (it comes out all too often), so that there is an opportunity to get closer than just helping people with their problems. Being overly empathetic makes it hard to gain close friends.

Empathy is often misunderstood. It's seen as feeling the emotions of others. That's not wrong, but it doesn't hit the heart of the matter. Empathy is being able to model other people. It's knowing what others know, figuring out how and why they think they way that they do. It's a powerful ability. Without it being a great leader is impossible. It's necessary to be both kind yet encouraging improvement at the same time to manage and help people.

Beware of hubris syndrome. It takes empathy to grow, aid others, and become a leader, but paradoxically when one gains power their mind starts to optimize out ones empathy reducing it over time. What once got you into power stops becoming necessary. By understanding this and how it works, one can keep themselves from falling into that pattern. The world thanks you: [https://www.strategy-business.com/article/How-Leaders-and- Th...](https://www.strategy-business.com/article/How-Leaders-and-Their-Teams- Can-Stop-Executive-Hubris?gko=64a22)</comment>


Ask HN: Feed readers preserving old and already read posts - <AUTHOR>

As many HN users, I was using Google Reader. I won't say it was an extensive use, as my feed reading activities declined in recent years, but G's decision about taking down GR [0] was quite unexpected. Back then I used Google Takeout [1] to retrieve my GR subscription data ("eg. lists of people that you follow, items you have starred, notes you have created, etc."). Next step was doing a quick research over available alternatives.
I found The Old Reader [2] to be a promising one solution. (Apparently there were lots of importers, so I was queued as ~1000th one, which meant I have to wait a few days before all my feeds would be accessible within TOR.) I didn't see any old posts in my feeds subscribed previously in GR for many years, so I was unhappy about it (you know, some sites ceased to exist already), but I assumed nothing can be done here, because G obviously wouldn't allow downloading easily all the old posts from feeds. And to be honest, most of them weren't worth of archiving, but most doesn't mean all. Some time later I noticed that TOR improved keyboard-driven UX, so I was finally able to use handy shortcuts like Shift-A (mark all items as read in current feed/group) [3]. Lately they finally added API [4]. I thought I'll stay with TOR for now, but today after logging in I saw:

    You have not used The Old Reader for a while,
    so we kept only fresh posts for you
 What? Is this some kind of twisted courtesy? Putting sarcasm aside, it's my fault for not investigating TOR enough. I understand well that storage isn't free and GR pampered us a bit with its (almost) never ending history in feeds, but it's such important feature that I took it for granted. TOR KB has a page about it [5].
continued in comments...

    (1) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6041145
    (2) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6041149
 Sorry for such a long submission.
tl;dr question:
Is there any free on-line feed reader, similar to GR, committed to preserve old and already read posts, no matter how actively I read them? It would be great if it supports keyboard-driven navigation (with GR-like shortcuts, hopefully) and has mobile apps (Android at least). Bonus point would be possibility of exporting historical feed data. <comment><AUTHOR> (1)

TOR KB has a page about it [5], which I'll quote here just in case:

        How many posts per feed do you store?

        You may only see several dozen posts when you subscribe to
        a new feed because RSS feeds only contain the most recent posts.
        However, new posts will be fetched as they get published, and
        The Old Reader will store up to several hundred posts per feed
        for any active user. If you don't access The Old Reader for
        a while, your account will be marked as inactive, and we will
        only keep the last 10 entries of each feed for you.

        Shared, commented, or liked posts are currently stored forever.

"Up to several hundred posts" is quite vague term, and definitely not enough for long-running sites that publish new stuff often. Second problem is being "active user". There are weeks when I am so busy that I check only LWN.net in tram on my way to or from the work, thus I may be "inactve" (from feed reading viewpoint) even for a month. This makes TOR unsuitable for me after all and this is unfortunate, because I started to like TOR.

I noticed that in comparisons of feed readers (almost?) no one is looking at how long the old posts are available, that's why I'm asking the HN community:

Is there any free on-line feed reader, similar to GR, committed to preserve old and already read posts, no matter how actively I read them? It would be great if it supports keyboard-driven navigation (with GR-like shortcuts, hopefully) and has mobile apps (Android at least). Bonus point would be possibility of exporting historical feed data.

</comment><comment><AUTHOR> (2)

PS:

A few days ago I learned about unofficial GR API [6] (I'm pretty sure it had to be already covered on HN, but I'm not always a daily HN reader, so I could miss it) via LWN.net article [7] (sorry, it's not available for free yet and there are too many HN users out there, so using the so called "Free Link" wouldn't be acceptable IMHO). But it's no longer available [8]. There is also "a collection of tools to help with the Google Reader shutdown" called Reader Is Dead [9], with extremely useful reader_archive [10], but well, it's not longer useful. If I only knew about it before the shutdown...

Thankfully Archive Team [11] retrieved historical feed data from GR using its API [12], so not everything is lost. Over 8TB of data converted to WARC files (specification of ISO 28500:2009 [13], free final draft [14], "Everything about the WARC format and the tools that support it." [15]), in tarred+gzipped form can be downloaded [16].

My 0th rule of the internet: You have to constantly backup it!

      [0] http://googleblog.blogspot.com.au/2013/03/a-second-spring-of-cleaning.html
      [1] http://www.google.com/takeout/
      [2] http://theoldreader.com/
      [3] http://blog.theoldreader.com/post/49375135562/may-1-release-is-here
      [4] http://blog.theoldreader.com/post/53860614326/weekly-update-june-24-30
      [5] http://theoldreader.uservoice.com/knowledgebase/articles/146276

      [6] http://undoc.in/
      [7] http://lwn.net/Articles/558138/
      [8] http://googlereader.blogspot.com/2013/07/a-final-farewell.html
      [9] http://readerisdead.com/
      [10] https://github.com/mihaip/readerisdead/wiki/reader_archive
      [11] http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Who_We_Are
      [12] http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Google_Reader
      [13] http://www.iso.org/iso/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=44717
      [14] http://bibnum.bnf.fr/WARC/WARC_ISO_28500_version1_latestdraft.pdf
      [15] http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=The_WARC_Ecosystem
      [16] http://archive.org/details/archiveteam_greader</comment>


Is This the Future of Software Development? - <AUTHOR> https://medium.com/smalltalk-talk/pharo-the-future-of-software-development-1eff6240c60b <comment><USER2> No, it isn't. If Smalltalk were going to be the future of software development, it would have shown some sign of it by now. All the claimed advantages have been there since the 1980, but in nearly 40 years, Smalltalk has yet to be anything more than a niche player.

Maybe the advantages come with some disadvantages, which wildly gushing articles like this ignore?

OK, there's a new Smalltalk on the market. Unless it knows what the previous disadvantages were, and has fixed them to the satisfaction of developers, Smalltalk isn't going anywhere. This article gives no hint that they even recognized that there ever had been disadvantages.

<comment><AUTHOR> Yes, all the advantages have been there from the start, but they may not be known to most people. It's really a matter of education and public awareness.

Smalltalk is not the only language to face this dilemma. Nearly every new language that comes to market does, as well. For example, Ceylon, Clojure, Crystal, Dart, Elixir, Haxe, Julia, Nim, Rust.

</comment></comment><comment><USER3> > The interesting thing about this study is that it goes beyond simple coding > and programming; it takes the entire software project into consideration > [...]. They want to know the full cost of applications and their complete > schedules from requirements through delivery. They also want to know multi- > year maintenance and enhancement costs plus total cost of ownership.

So it's not just comparing programming languages. And for each language there are a multitude of toolchains for solving these other factors. If you find the most efficient of each of those and compare as well as other factors not even mentioned (e.g. how do multiple remote developers work on an image?) the picture will be quite different.

<comment><AUTHOR> It is comparing programming languages. The study averages over all the language projects, including their choice of preferred toolchains. If there are more effective toolchains available, their lack of usage is clearly factored into the study.

<comment><USER3> That's a good point. But reducing a programming language ecosystem to one number isn't the statistic I'm interested in. I want to see the distribution in some way e.g. standard deviation. What's 'good' in each look like?</comment></comment></comment>


To see off piranha this fish has strong armour - <AUTHOR> https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2019/10/17/to-see-off-piranha-this-fish-has-strong-armour <comment><USER2> This sort of structure where a hard but brittle material is mated with a softer but elastic substrate is also one of humankind's great innovations. Through trial and error bladesmiths learned to work steel in a way such that the edge of a tool or weapon blade would harden and better keep its sharpness, while the spine would be made flexible and shatter-resistant. These opposite properties are now known to arise from different crystalline phases, or allotropes, of (carbon-alloyed) iron, in particular martensite and austenite.

</comment><comment><USER3> [https://outline.com/4KkUXh](https://outline.com/4KkUXh)

</comment><comment><USER4> Reuters variant which is not behind a paywall:

[https://www.reuters.com/article/us-science-fish/amazon- fish-...](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-science-fish/amazon-fish-wears- natures-bullet-proof-vest-to-thwart-piranhas-idUSKBN1WV2JS)

</comment><comment><USER5> Resume: Arapaima scales have interesting properties combining strength, and flexibility in a lightweigth structure

</comment><comment><USER6> As an English as a second language speaker, this is the first time in years that a sentence has stumped me. Is this a common construction?

Thanks to a dictionary I now know that "to see off" means "to fend off".

<comment><USER7> It's a British idiom rather than a general English construct.

<comment><USER8> It's definitely not common in America, where it's more commonly used in, e.g., a parting of ways with a close friend or relation for a journey ("see Johhny off [to the airport for college]").

<comment><USER9> That's the sense I understood this in. That the fish doesn't defeat the piranhas or "fight them off", but it can ignore them until they give up because of the armor, and then bid them goodbye.</comment></comment></comment></comment>


Can the Public Beat GM, Google and Uber on Self-Driving Cars? - <AUTHOR> http://www.inc.com/alex-moazed/can-the-public-beat-gm-google-and-uber-on-self-driving-cars.html <comment><AUTHOR> I'm excited to be leading this project at Udacity! I'm happy to answer any questions (before boarding this flight). Fire away!

Some helpful links:

1\. Join our Slack community to learn about the first crowdsourced challenge: [http://nd013.udacity.com](http://nd013.udacity.com)

2\. We're launching our curriculum in October. Apply to enroll in our first cohort! [https://udacity.com/drive](https://udacity.com/drive)

</comment><comment><USER2> I think this is mainly a "data" challege, how does Udacity plan on gaining an upper hand on this, especially with competitors like Uber and Tesla which gather data exponentially with each new ride/car sold?

<comment><USER3> The goal is to create open source software for self-driving cars. That's a win if the quality is anywhere close to what Uber and Tesla have developed.

The first challenge is to create a conv net that decides how to turn the wheel to stay in the lanes, similar to what Nvidia described in their devblog.

[https://devblogs.nvidia.com/parallelforall/deep-learning- sel...](https://devblogs.nvidia.com/parallelforall/deep-learning-self-driving- cars/)

Expect data to be released within a week. Join the Slack team at [http://nd013.udacity.com](http://nd013.udacity.com) for more details (channel: challenge-1).</comment></comment>


Best Buy CEO: iPad is cannibalizing laptop sales by as much as 50% - <AUTHOR> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703376504575491533125103528.html <comment><USER2> The disappointing for most consumers will be that iPads require a computer to sync to itunes before you begin to use.

Apple must fix this soon, but that require the ability to connect OTA and probably redownload purchased content (without a mobile me account).

Ease up a little apple and you will add gasoline to the ipad fire.

<comment><USER3> I wish they would release an intelligent dock that had some storage or USB connectors for a printer and external hard drive. That would be a neat for iPad syncing. Adding an HDMI so you could park the dock next to a TV and control it with and iPad would really be nice.

Alternately, syncing with a Time Capsule would be good too.

<comment><USER4> Add ports and a keyboard and it will be perfect! Make it a clamshell style so fingerprints wont get on the screen, and protect it when your not using it.

<comment><USER5> So... Eliminate its differentiating characteristics and turn it into something that resembles the competing netbooks and sub <$500 notebooks whose lunch Apple is devouring, according to Best Buy's figures?

<comment><USER6> Tactile feedback is pretty important to some people. I haven't tried an iPad yet but when it comes to emails on the iPhone, I would sometimes kill for the ability to just type the way I could on a real keyboard. An iPad with a keyboard hookup is still an iPad.

<comment><USER5> Yeah, but they have that. You can buy the keyboard dock or hook up a bluetooth keyboard. Or hookup a USB keyboard using the camera connector.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER7> That may be just the datapoint I need to shift a new project away from Flash to HTML5.

<comment><USER8> Yeah because there's only a bajillion existing flash capable browsers out there. But apparently the 'hip' crowd are buying iPads! ;)

FWIW though, I'd choose HTML5 over Flash, but not on the basis of this datapoint - for all the other more important (IMHO) reasons.

<comment><USER5> Flash's current installed base isn't really the point, though, is it?

What's interesting about this is that it demonstrates momentum away from Flash in a fairly dramatic way. That momentum is important to consider if you're investing in any decently sized project that could depend on Flash.

<comment><USER8> People have been saying flash is dead for the last 5 years. If not 10 years.

Don't get me wrong, I hate flash, think it will die _eventually_ , and wouldn't build anything on it.

But I also hate kneejerk decisions based on a _tiny_ amount of data.

The article is definitely worth considering if your users are the type that buy iPads, but I find it incredibly hard to believe that the iPad will go 'mainstream'. It's still a niche luxury 'extra' device.

People aren't replacing their laptops with an iPad. That would be insane. They're just buying an iPad as _well_.

<comment><USER9> Call me insane then. I bought an iPad instead of a laptop, which is slightly different from what you said.

Why? It's a family computer. Great for kids. Portable.

<comment><USER8> >> "Great for kids."

Oh come now. It can't even render things like nickjr.com

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER10> I think the proper term is "eating", not "cannibalizing". It would be called "cannibalizing" if the laptops were MacBooks, and if it were unintentional.

<comment><USER11> From Apple's perspective, yes. But he's talking from Best Buy's perspective.

<comment><USER10> Excellent point.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER12> I am in no way surprised by this. I have 2 laptops and a desktop computer that are collecting dust now that I have an iPad.

<comment><USER13> I still can't figure a use case for me to justify an iPad. That and I refuse to have itunes on my computer at this point.

<comment><USER12> I find that my iPad is the perfect fit to replace my laptop.

I have never been able to completely ditch using a desktop anyways, so my use case for a laptop has always really been exactly what the iPad provides; a dead simple internet browsing, media streaming and content consumption device.

If I need to work, I'll use my desktop. I generally feel limited by a laptop screen, mouse and keyboard as it is. If I want to browse the internet, stream some videos, and consume content the iPad on the couch is a perfect fit.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER14> As a side note on the conversation, I'm impressed by how well Best Buy is adapting to the changing demands of the consumers. Rather than desperately promoting the same stuff that has worked for them for decades, they see the writing on the wall and are changing their focus.

<comment><USER12> I completely agree. I love and respect businesses that are flexible enough to embrace changes in consumer demands rather than vehemently attempt to avoid changes in the marketplace.

Businesses like Blockbuster are a prime example of this. Entire industries such as the entertainment industry (namely movie and music) have tried very hard to avoid changes in consumer demands.

</comment></comment><comment><USER15> It's amazing how Apple disrupts a whole market with new categories of products again and again. They might not be the first to enter a nascent market but they are the one to make it big.

</comment><comment><USER16> I can't write code on an iPad (not efficiently at least), so my recent need for a replacement laptop ate up my budget for an iPad.

I'm guessing I'm in the minority, however.</comment>


What I Learned About Entrepreneurship From Watching the World Series of Poker - <AUTHOR> http://gigaom.com/2009/11/04/what-i-learned-about-entrepreneurship-from-watching-the-world-series-of-poker/

<comment><USER2> This is probably the dumbest article I've read in a long time. Rant with lots of poker terminology on the way:

Where to start:

> Both [poker and entrepreneurship] rely on acting strategically under > conditions of extreme uncertainty

This is true in a sense, but only in the shallowest sense. In entrepreneurship there's real uncertainty, having no idea what you have to do, and knowing that there's no real way to determine if you're even on the right path. Often, you're just in the dark. With poker the uncertainty only applies on the scale of a single hand: "Does he have it?". Even then you know almost exactly what your equity will be against the range (possible holdings) of the other player. So when few chips are at risk you optimize for equity, and if almost all your chips are at risk you better have the nuts (best possible holding). The uncertainty that remains is of the "dice rolling kind", not of the "what is this guy up to" kind. Since the "dice rolling kind" of uncertainty is beyond your control there's not much to learn from it.

> Why are some terrible entrepreneurs so successful?

Is this even true? I can't think of any terrible and successful entrepreneurs.

> In the World Series of Poker, no professional has won the Main Event in > seven years

Okay, so what are the characteristics of the World Series of Poker? Starts out with a reasonably deep stack (skill matters a lot), takes days (endurance is crucial), ends with short stacked play (lottery). You can get through the first stages with luck, and since the amateurs outnumber the professionals there are no surprises here: a lot of amateurs make it far into the tournament. You have to have endurance, which favours the young. And in the end very little skill is involved, because the mathematically correct play is to put all your chips in (to maximize fold equity) and often you're only a 2 to 1 favourite when you get called. So only if the final table consists mostly of professionals can we expect a professional to win. I argue that the middle phase (endurance) is the most important, and that therefore one of the 21-25 year old internet players will win most of the tournaments in the next few years. They have millions of hands of experience, which means they're far more likely to intuitively do the correct thing when tired and worn out because of days of play. They're almost as good as the TV pros, but younger. They also have as advantage that they can recognize the TV pros, but the TV pros don't immediately know which of the young players are the sharks and fish.

> Yet the Main Event has been won year in and year out by a complete unknown > player.

Last year it was won by an unknown but incredibly skilled internet player. He probably played more hands in the last 5 years than almost all TV professionals.

> a given pro will play thousands of poker hands

Thousands? Haha.

> Similarly, given enough amateurs in the field, the law of large numbers > means that at least some of them will get lucky enough times to outperform > even the best pros.

Not neccessarily. In a deep stacked cash game an amateur will _never_ win over a pro. Not ever. Real amateurs have a chance only because of the lottery aspects of the world series. This is by design: it makes for better TV.

> and, if you find advice that seems to work, be ready to go all-in.

What does that even mean in the context of entrepreneurship? How do you go all in with a company? By signing a 10 year lease on office space (just stupid)? Is there ever a good reason to go all in with your company if you don't face certain doom?

> Take any advice (including mine), and think it through for yourself.

Why? Most advice is terrible, or simply not applicable to your situation. And it's almost impossible to distinguish between good advice and bad advice (by definition). And since two people always argue the opposite, how can you possibly agree with them both? I think a lot of interesting things can be said about how to best take advice, but the solution probably isn't to listen to everybody and then go all in.

To conclude:

Poker is zero sum. Entrepreneurship is not. Poker is about exploiting mistakes, entrepreneurship is about creating value for your customers. Poker has known optimal strategies, Entrepreneurship does not. You could just as easily compare entrepreneurship to chess or monopoly, and the comparison would be just as shallow and meaningless.

<comment><USER3> _Thousands? Haha._

Yeah, that was pretty hilarious. I was trying to reach a milestone at the end of September and I put in over 5500 hands on 9/30 alone in about 11 hours of play.

The only correction I have to your post is: _They're almost as good as the TV pros, but younger._ Most of the cash game Internet pros (and many of the tournament Internet pros) are much better than the TV pros (other than a select few like Ivey and Antonious, who also play online anyways) because the Internet pros have played so many hands and tirelessly gone over areas where they are losing money to improve. When you're playing 400-500 hands/hr, a small improvement in your game can mean a difference of over $25/hr for mid- high stakes players. Many of these players aren't "TV pros" simply because they make a better hourly rate playing online where they can put in 8x the hands in the same time span, or because they don't (yet?) have the bankroll to risk losing $100K+ on a single hand.

I'm sure you (gizmo) know all this, but I thought some of these points would be useful information for the HN reader who is less knowledgeable about the poker world.

Here's one more tangent point you might find interesting about deep stacks ([http://www.twoplustwo.com/magazine/issue56/Savage-Deep- Stack...](http://www.twoplustwo.com/magazine/issue56/Savage-Deep-Stacks-Good- For-Poker-Tournaments.php)). Here a well-known tournament director points out that deep stacked tournaments typically hinder the pro. Of course this doesn't apply to cash games (which you were obviously referring to), but because of tournaments' increasing blind levels and the need to end after a period of time, deeper stacks at the beginning actually mean a more-pronounced lottery period later on.

<comment><USER4> who are you on 2+2? and wtf is giz doing posting on an entrepreneur board? (im assuming she's giz from 4L)

<comment><USER3> I don't really post very much on 2+2; I just lurk a bit. I'm a member of FlopTurnRiver and the training site GrinderSchool. Thanks to an affiliate signup with RakeBackNation (and paying upwards of $1300/mo in rake), my GS membership is basically free at this point.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> The author has a depth of understanding about poker that's surprising, coming from someone who has only watched on television.

I've been playing seriously for a decade, and this is the most insightful breakdown of the game I've read. Kudos.

<comment><USER3> Honestly his idea of how professionals play profitably in poker is pretty awful. To say that a pro's bets are merely probing for information to let him know when he is beat is a gross oversimplification. "Betting for information" is actually a common leak (a sub-optimality) in beginners' and even solid players' play.

Most bets (there are some exceptions, but they are very few) have one of two purposes:

1) To make a hand with good equity (the chance of winning if no one ever folded) fold, especially a hand that is currently beating your own.

2) To get value from a hand with worse equity that will call.

The best situations are where your bet is doing both. For example, if we raised preflop with 8-7 and are greeted with an A J 8 flop with 2 clubs, we can bet and get hands like 10-10 and 9-9 to fold, while hands like a flush draw or straight draw will call. We can bet sometimes on the turn against certain players and get all but an A to fold.

Contrast this with a situation where we have K-K on an A 8 2 flop with no draws. A LOT of bad players bet small here so that if someone raises (or even calls), they can assume they have the A and fold. This is a huge mistake. We're only folding out hands we beat, getting called by hands that beat us, and possibly giving a smart opponent a chance to bluff us off the best hand. It is much better to check and let an opponent with a hand like QJ hit a worse pair (or give someone with TT a chance to think he might have the best hand when the turn is a 9) so that we can make money from a couple bets. Furthermore we give aggressive opponents a chance to bluff at us.

When we bet for information, _our bet has no value_ , therefore we make no money from it. When we instead bet for value (or to fold a better hand) we do make money (in the long run) from our bet.

This post got longer than intended, but seeing your comment get a few upvotes, I wanted to make sure that people didn't think his insights were _actually good_. The most insightful thing he said was:

      Professional players are so much better
      than amateurs that they can make a living
      in many cases, becoming very very rich by
      exploiting the difference between their
      level of skill and the level of the people
      they play with.

Don't let yourself (meaning the reader, not necessarily the poster I'm replying to) be one of those amateurs too often ;). Beyond that, especially considering that he says, "I can't play poker..." I would definitely not take his poker insights very seriously. The parallels with entrepreneurship, however, are pretty interesting.

</comment></comment><comment><USER6> "In the World Series of Poker, no professional has won the Main Event in seven years."

This just isn't true. Last years winner, Peter Eastgate, was a professional poker player. In fact at last years final table there was 6 professional poker players, an accountant, a student and a trucking company manager.

Just because they're not one of the big-name TV-pros that get promoted by ESPN as big names doesn't mean that they're not professional. In fact many of the big-name pros are not actually very good in comparison to the online pros.

</comment><comment><USER7> "Over the course of a year, a given pro will play thousands of poker hands, and so this shift in probabilities adds up to dramatic winnings."

I don't actually know if that's true, but my impression is the exact opposite - that pro poker players have basically parlayed a bit of initial luck into a lucrative career that really has little to do with differential skill and more to do with self-promotion.

Which, to my mind, is just as useful a perspective on entrepreneurship.

<comment><USER8> I get what you're saying re self-promotion in the case of pros who make money from endorsements and the like. But for most (and quite possibly all) of the pros good enough to have endorsement deals, most of their income is money won at a poker table. How does self-promotion help there?

<comment><USER7> As I said, I don't really know enough to say, but are there stats to show that "most of their income is money won at a poker table?" And how much of that is due to being invited to tournaments?

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER9> As I was reading, I was so sure the big lesson was going to be: Pros don't want to all-in coin flip against a no-name amateur. Therefore, a startup should compete against big companies by taking the battle away from the incumbent's comfort zone.

I guess I was surprised to see for once an article advising us to act more like the Goliaths and not the Davids.</comment>


US man charged over Facebook spam turns himself in - <AUTHOR> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-14428730 A US man charged with sending more than 27 million spam messages to Facebook users has turned himself in.Sanford Wallace, who is known as the "Spam King", surrendered to FBI agents in California. <comment><USER2> Same story:

<http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2849064>

<http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2849438>

<http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2849525>

<http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2849570>

<http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2850338>

<http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2850576></comment>


The 7 Deadly Sins of Startups - <AUTHOR> http://onstartups.com/tabid/3339/bid/89523/The-7-Deadly-Sins-of-Startups.aspx

<comment><USER2> "Sloth: The lazy shall languish in obscurity. Toilers triumph."

As far as I can tell this mainly applies to marketing. Haven't seen startup founders being lazy about anything more than they are about marketing – procrastinating here will kill you.</comment>


Prointerview - <AUTHOR> https://prointerview.net/ <comment><AUTHOR> Human Resources Experts Online Video Consultancy Marketplace for Job and Talent Seekers

ProInterview is an online video consultancy marketplace where people in need of career consultancy meet human resources professionals.

Intergrated payment options, scheduling, webrtc technologies, CakePHP

What we do: ProInterview enables job and talent seekers to consult top performing human resources professionals to solve their probles. We connect human resources professionals with individuals and companies to achieve their career or recruitment goals. Why it's a big deal: ProInterview eliminates the need for job seekers wasting their time on the platforms how to find and apply to their dream job, how to make their CV perfect. They can make job interview practices online with experts on their fields and get a human resources scoring report. Also the remarkable job seekers would be listed so that they can even find a better job without even applying. Find and get in contact with human resources experts in seconds. Get an online video consultation. Get in the talent pool and a get a ProInterview scoring One of the biggest industries which lacks a marketplace like this.</comment>


Amazon Spent $24,000 to Kill Portland's Facial Recognition Ban - <AUTHOR> https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/g5p9z3/amazon-spent-dollar24000-to-kill-portlands-facial-recognition-ban <comment><USER2> Jesus. I would personally pay 24k to secure a facial recognition ban for an entire major American city. Is that all it takes?

</comment><comment><USER3> 24k?? Those city council members should be ashamed of themselves. They could have gotten a lot more.

<comment><USER4> They're city council members. Being dim is a given.

</comment></comment><comment><USER5> The original source article states that the amount was $12k, not sure where the $24k comes from. The Vice article also characterized their actions as "silently lobbying" without any details on what that actually entailed. Did Amazon hire someone to take meetings with the law makers on this issue? If so, that seems entirely reasonable and not at all sinister...</comment>


Giant Paperclips Turn Any Slab of Wood Into a Sturdy Table - <AUTHOR> http://gizmodo.com/5910430/giant-paperclips-turn-any-slab-of-wood-into-a-sturdy-table <comment><USER2> If it were me I'd find a way to produce and sell them at a lower price. Ikea tables are sold at a comparable price, and the table top is included.</comment>


Terry Davis has died - <AUTHOR> http://www.templeos.org/ <comment><USER2> Here's a few of the previous HN posts about Terry or TempleOS, unfortunately a lot of the links are broken:

Terry's HN account [https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=TerryADavis](https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=TerryADavis)

TempleOS creator Terry Davis is homeless and living in a van [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16105043](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16105043)

TempleOS is applying to Y Combinator. Partners desired, send an email [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9246855](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9246855)

A Constructive Look at TempleOS [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9681501](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9681501)

TempleOS: 5 minute random code walkthrough [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8349910](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8349910)

Porting third-party programs to TempleOS [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9843065](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9843065)

TempleOS: FlightSim and FirstPersonShooter [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9673554](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9673554)

Mal Lisp for TempleOS [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15840054](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15840054)

Mega Man for TempleOS [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13971627](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13971627)

<comment><USER3> I believe that [https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=TempleOS](https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=TempleOS) is also one of his HN accounts, with some more recent posts.

<comment><USER4> I wouldn't necessarily believe it, I've seen many posts on multiple boards on 4chan wherein people claim to make Terry impersonation accounts on HN specifically to troll

<comment><USER5> Yeah. His Facebook account was hijacked by someone pretending to be him / created a fake account and added Terry's family members.

Lots of fake screenshots are circulating around, so "proofs" by screenshots of emails are doubtful at most.

The guy who admittedly impressioned Terry on social networks is also known for taking money from Terry's PayPal. (Along with at least another guy who manipulated Terry into giving him $200). He said he did all of this "out of concern for Terry" It's the same guy who first claimed Terry's death on twitter.

He's now in damage control and wiping his internet presence after the infinity Chan crowd is trying to link him to the events.

Lot of disinformation around. Some people refuse to believe Terry's death until confirmed by a third party. Some other are spreading FUD and flood with stuff like "he's dead lads. Let's all forget and move on, shall we?" Some are just trolling around falsifying screenshots and "proofs". And some are just derailing threads to pull down any constructive discussion. And in this shitfest, kiwifarm is avoiding the blame and accuse others and whenever someone point a finger at them.

<comment><USER6> > His Facebook account was hijacked by someone pretending to be him / created > a fake account and added Terry's family members

This is one of the things that should be remembered when people say "don't use facebook": if you're not on there and you're a "public figure", even in a very small space, it opens you up for someone else to impersonate you. I know a couple of people who have Facebook presences solely to prevent fraudulent facebook presences from being created for them.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER7> Compiling TempleOS in its native environment. RIP.

<comment><USER8> That is a lovely epitaph for a hacker. Do not understand downvotes on this

<comment><USER7> I really appreciate Terry's work, if any consolation.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER9> I overheard a guy gushing about TempleOS at a data jam last weekend. It was great. He really liked the fresh takes on the old-school freedoms of the commodore 64. I pried him for more and he graciously gave me a short walkthrough of his favorite features since he had it running on his laptop.

I hope someone writes a book about it. I love learning about long term solo artworks like this that are difficult to appreciate.

Pouring one out for this passionate artist tonight. rest in peace

<comment><USER10> Does anyone here have any contacts with the MOMA? I think TempleOS should be submitted.

<comment><USER11> I actually like that idea a lot. I definitely think it's a work of art.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER12> Terry came to an event I helped host many years ago and showed off his baffling inventions. We felt a bit bad because it was really intended to be just a party, but he'd made a huge effort to come and so we set up and area and let him demo.

It was the kind of crazy that I'm sure resembled Tesla's less-good ideas, but everyone there was in agreement that while we didn't plan to switch, what he showed was truly original.

Like many of you, this story makes me really sad. I struggle with mental illness, but not like Terry did. It had to have been hard - not a strong enough word - and I never feel like we're doing enough to help.

All I can do, at this point, is stand and be counted.

</comment><comment><USER13> In his last YouTube upload (which is currently the only available video; it appears he deleted everything else from his channel) he says that he is now homeless and living outdoors. In the video he seems remarkably less lucid than he normally was in his previous videos, almost having problems with his speech, and his face looks like something entirely else than it did in his videos from a year ago when he was still living at his parents' home.

<comment> nv-vn Both of these are symptoms of schizophrenia. I imagine what we saw is him on meds vs. him off meds.

</comment></comment><comment><USER14> I'm not entirely sure why this is upsetting me so much, but I think it has to largely to do with empathy.

While I'm nowhere as severe as Terry, I do suffer from manic depression (bipolar II), and if it weren't for the support of friends and family I'm certain I would have offed myself years ago.

Terry suffered from an illness, but he was undoubtedly a smart guy. TempleOS and HolyC, even if they were niche, are certainly _interesting_ projects, and aren't something that any lay-person could make.

While I'm relatively certain that his racist profanity-filled posts are how he's going to be remembered, I'll try and think of him as a misguided and misunderstood person who needed more help than society was really able to provide.

<comment><USER15> Thank you, I feel exactly the same way. It would be nice to see the black bar on HN.

He needed a lot of help, but a great hacker has passed, and we should remember him for his work

<comment><AUTHOR> >It would be nice to see the black bar on HN.

Seconding this. He was a great programmer, and deserves to be remembered.

<comment><USER16> Thirding this.

<comment><USER17> Terry definitely was an old-school hacker that didn't care about whether or not his products saw mass adoption, he did it because it was what he wanted to do most. There is a lot of humor in TempleOS and Terry in his more reasonable moments was actually a very nice and caring person. I spent some time trying to convince HN to look past his troubles but alas it did not come to pass.

<comment><USER18> He's always been one of the best arguments for enabling `showdead`. His posts were frequently incoherent, but they deserved to be seen.

<comment><USER19> You needed to watch a lot of his videos and read enough of his daily posts he used to make on his site to understand it, but everything he said was actually perfectly consistent within his own world view.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER20> I always thought of Terry as somewhat of an anti-hero of the hacker community. Most of us know what it feels like to go down a rabbit hole building something technically impressive, yet ultimately useless, because the voices in our heads told us to. In this way, Terry seemed vaguely relatable. This is a tragic outcome and I hope his family can find some peace.

<comment><USER21> I think there's a lot in TempleOS that could/should be useful, though. It's basically a Lisp machine but with HolyC instead of Lisp. Plenty of valuable lessons to be learned in OS and compiler design.

</comment></comment><comment><USER22> It appears he committed suicide by train [0].

His last youtube video from the local library made it sound like he wasn't having a particularly good time there.

He's suffered so long from his mental illness, frankly I'm surprised it didn't happen earlier. I can't begin to imagine how difficult it's been living such a challenging life for all these years.

From what I saw, occasionally watching his streams, there was a significant amount of internet bullying and general predation going on with Terry and it really messed with his already strained life.

It's all a huge bummer.

[0] [https://www.reddit.com/r/TempleOS_Official/comments/9c63qr/t...](https://www.reddit.com/r/TempleOS_Official/comments/9c63qr/terry_davis_hit_by_a_train/)

<comment><USER23> The post linked to by the parent is just an unfounded rumor created by someone on Reddit, with very little basis:

 _I 'm going to call it. From his last video(Aug 11th 2018): [https://youtu.be/oH41gGBVpkE](https://youtu.be/oH41gGBVpkE) We see he is at the Dalles county library.

Later in the evening (Aug 11th, 2018), The Dalles Chronicle reports an unknown man was hit by a train: [https://tinyurl.com/ybakopls*](https://tinyurl.com/ybakopls*)

<comment><AUTHOR> His sister's facebook page has a post memorializing him.

<comment><USER23> That doesn't mean he committed suicide or that a train was involved.

<comment><USER22> It's since been confirmed that Terry was indeed struck by a train in The Dalles, OR.

The only question which remains is wether it was suicide or not. A witness described him as "straddling the tracks". It doesn't seem likely to be an accident.

<comment><USER23> Confirmed by whom? Can you provide a link to something authoritative? I feel that another comment on the Internet making a claim only adds to noise, not signal.

<comment><USER22> [https://twitter.com/WildGoose1776/status/1037056798195372032](https://twitter.com/WildGoose1776/status/1037056798195372032)

If you require more authoritative firsthand confirmation, phone the PD yourself.

<comment><USER23> This is a random, anonymous person on Twitter named "WildGoose", which is not credible IMO. By now, I hope we have learned not to trust such things. Does anyone have a credible source?

<comment><USER22> > Does anyone have a credible source?

Yes, the police department of The Dalles, OR. I believe you have both their phone number and email address.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER24> If true this is really sad. Based on the little information I have about Terry, he seems like a basically nice guy victimized by mental illness.

<comment><USER25> Yeah, and clearly bright as hell if he could string together something as complicated as TempleOS. Imagine what he could have done if he had been able to direct it towards something more globally useful. RIP dude, hope there's a reward for determination in the afterlife.

<comment><USER26> TempleOS is going to be hailed as one of the most impressive pieces of outsider art ever

<comment><USER25> I hope so. I'm a little worried it'll only ever be appreciated in niche communities that really understand the depth of what he did. Maybe I'm not giving enough credit to fringe artists, but I don't know that it'd be easy to express how impressive it is to build a functional OS as a single person that could do as much as his did, with the hardware it was based on.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER27> I think the reason he's so popular within the tech community is because he's _very_ relatable to some of us in a dark way. Most tech people see themselves as artistic geniuses who can hack things like TempleOS, but almost all are also suffering from mental illness in some way. Sure, being socially awkward in conversation isn't exactly comparable to Terry's schizophrenia; still it's very easy to reflect our physiological fears on him these days where depression (or detection of depression) rates have skyrocketed.

I don't know, maybe I'm more crazy than average, but this feels like a good explanation of why people are so obsessed with him. Not every homeless person in the US gets enough donation money from 4chan to run their own website and video show.

</comment><comment><USER28> I am loving the empathy people are feeling for Terry Davis in this thread. His final video is heart breaking.

Terry was the proverbial homeless person: Schizophrenic and paranoid. Too sick to be helped or supported. It's easy to get frustrated with the homeless people you see day to day, but I think it's extremely important we acknowledge these people's humanity and keep them from becoming wallpaper.

<comment><USER17> > Too sick to be helped or supported.

I disagree with that. He definitely was not too sick to be helped or supported.

</comment></comment><comment><USER29> This was previously submitted[0] and deemed "unconfirmed". Does it showing up on the TempleOS page make it any more official? Who runs the website in his absence to make this update?

[0][https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17889547](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17889547)

<comment><AUTHOR> There is additional proof, from his sister's Facebook page, but I'm not sure I want to link it here because it seems rude to link his family's pages to random people. Is there a moderator here whose email address I can message with the proof?

<comment><USER30> You can email the mods at firstname.lastname@example.com.

Though Wikipedia already has such a link confirming it. I don't think you need to prove it.

Edit: Or did. I can't find it now. I was sure there was a really short page for him on Wikipedia when I looked the other day. At the moment, he only appears on their disambiguation page without a page of his own. It also shows a death year of 2018.

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Davis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Davis)

<comment><USER31> Odd, I thought I remembered reading it about two days ago too...

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER32> Terry Davis was a bright individual who was, even with his handicaps, able to produce something noteworthy. Many people viewed his pursuits with some disdain, but I doubt most of them have produced anything on that level.

It is worth noting that he would not have been able to truly participate in this very discussion, due to the shadowbans he received on multiple accounts.

</comment><comment><USER33> I don't know if this is the correct post for this or not, but I've been thinking about it for some time.

We hackers and founders obviously suffer from mental illness and poverty, yet some of us do really well -- rich beyond most folks' understanding.

I don't want to get into a discussion of "what's wrong with society". I just want to know: why aren't we taking care of our own? We obviously have the resources. If we can do a basic income experiment, we can take care of the Terry Davis's in the world. Why aren't we?

<comment><USER34> Money alone can't guarantee good outcomes in cases of severe mental illness sadly.

Our medications are not good enough, nor are they well-tolerated enough, and sometimes even with medication and money and strong supports and a willingness to try to improve patients still don't get better.

<comment><USER33> >>Money alone can't guarantee good outcomes in cases of severe mental illness sadly.

An important point. I am not talking about giving people money. I'm asking if we care enough to try to figure out how to help them. I make no assumptions on what kinds of help would be useful or not.

<comment><USER35> There's going to be four things you have to confront when it comes to helping people.

1\. Resources. Money and people are the two hardest resources, although space can also be a problem, especially when you start taking eg homeless shelters. It's not enough to have a big pile of money to spend on the problem, it's hard to find people who want to take on a front-line position in solving it.

2\. Morality. It's odd to say, but one of the harder questions when trying to help people is how to do so morally. What if someone doesn't want help? What if they don't want the sort of help you want to give them? The low-hanging fruit of helping people is giving help to people who want it. What to do when someone refuses to leave a dangerous situation or refuses medical treatment is a hard question if you still want to help them.

3\. Information. Having resources available to provide help to people who want it is all well and good, but if you don't know who needs help and people who need help don't know about you trying to give it, it doesn't do much good. Knowing who needs help is a really hard problem. Even if you have a vague notion that your neighbor is having a rough time of things, you don't always know how rough of a time, and they don't always tell you.

4\. Risk. When you put yourself out there to help, you make yourself vulnerable. That scares a lot of people. Most people are nice people and most people aren't dangerous but some people aren't and are. If you do anything in the world that involves people, including helping them, problems will crop up. The challenge here is mitigating the risk of them without losing your humanity in the process.

If the four points above don't daunt you, then the next thing is to avoid the classic hacker mistake: reinventing the wheel unnecessarily. There are countless organizations already trying to help people out there. Can you join one and help it help more hackers?

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER36> Was looking for info about TempleOS and found this video of him installing it on a VM and going over some of its features.

NSFW, prepare for an abundance of profanity: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBgIBF9Y6PE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBgIBF9Y6PE)

<comment><USER37> this is absolutely amazing!

</comment></comment><comment><USER38> I'm introduced to this guy via Hacker News. See you in another life, cowboy.

</comment><comment><USER39> This was just posted on the IRC channel ([https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.rizon.net/#templeos](https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.rizon.net/#templeos))

[http://ia600600.us.archive.org/31/items/TerryADavis_TempleOS...](http://ia600600.us.archive.org/31/items/TerryADavis_TempleOS_Archive/)

from what I can quickly see - lots of videos, articles, ISOs, etc.

R.I.P. Terry!

<comment><USER39> Actually full msg:

[https://thepasteb.in/p/O7h5jQ47DAQFq](https://thepasteb.in/p/O7h5jQ47DAQFq)

 __ _In Memoriam_ __Terrance "Terry Muthafuckin" Andrew Davis Rest in Peace, 1969 - August 11th, 2018 Terry was hit by a train on August 11th around 9pm in The Dalles, Oregon, where he had been living on the streets, shortly after uploading the last video to his youtube channel [citation: [https://media.8ch.net/file_store/8f7768746a7f506321a02470643...](https://media.8ch.net/file_store/8f7768746a7f506321a02470643aa737e0955efe715941cbc34c1325a4b03888.jpg)] Furthermore, BipolarBear, var-g, and some others claim similar emails/ phone calls to the police, as well as to The Chronicle (the paper that first published the train story) In addition, Therese Davis (Terry's sister) released a FaceBook post about his death, as well as some other poorly timed deaths. Furthermore, it seems TheTemple, who opperated a fake Terry Davis FaceBook account, released rumors of a fake Terry's death shortly after the real death but before anyone had knowledge of it.

Archives of Terry media:[https://archive.org/services/xsl.php?xsl=/includes/locations...](https://archive.org/services/xsl.php?xsl=/includes/locations.xsl&xml=https://archive.org/services/find_file.php%3Floconly%3D1%26file%3DTerryADavis_TempleOS_Archive)

<comment><USER23> Who wrote that?

> Therese Davis (Terry's sister) released a FaceBook post about his death, as > well as some other poorly timed deaths.

What does that mean?

</comment></comment></comment><comment><AUTHOR> Why is this on the second page when it has >400 points + 135 comments in 2 hours? It was at the top position on the front page at first. Did someone manually alter it?

<comment><USER40> Perhaps I am seeing patterns where there are none, but I've seen that articles with the wrong kind of controversial potential sometimes get bumped back. I'm having difficulty putting it to words, though, and can't produce any evidence to back it up.

It's a real shame, sometimes. I feel there is a lot that can be learned from Terry Davis and TempleOS.

<comment><USER41> Yes, there are definitely different weights for threads based on multiple factors such as flags, certain domains/topics, and manual intervention by the mods.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER42> I'm not sure if Terry Davis should be considered like the outsider art of programming or more of a sad side show that captivated the internet's attention.

<comment><USER17> Definitely the former.

</comment></comment><comment><USER43> For those thinking about hacking on TempleOS, here's Jack Whitham getting started: [https://www.jwhitham.org/2015/07/porting-third-party- program...](https://www.jwhitham.org/2015/07/porting-third-party-programs-to- templeos.html)

</comment><comment><USER44> I have absolutely no interest in TempleOS as a codebase, and I can't imagine that many people would ever want to use it as their main OS. However, Terry Davis and TempleOS expanded my conception of the possibilities of computing. Alan Perlis said, "A language that doesn't affect the way you think about programming, is not worth knowing," and by that standard, I think that Terry and TempleOS have secured an eternal legacy.

</comment><comment><USER45> Sad to see him go. TempleOS update discussions were always a really interesting read on this site and others.

</comment><comment><USER46> HN's interactions involving Mr. Davis — at the user and admin level — was always interesting and enlightening to see, in terms of how an online community should accommodate someone with mental illness while not tolerating the rants he was prone to make. Thank you to everyone who have and continue to openly and honestly discuss mental health issues.

<comment><USER47> Ultimately, it was very disappointing, since the resolution was to hellban him ---The electronic version of trying not to make eye contact and treating him like an animal.

</comment></comment><comment><USER48> Rest easy. You have finally escaped your demons.

</comment><comment><USER49> I saw from this image:

[https://ia600600.us.archive.org/31/items/TerryADavis_TempleO...](https://ia600600.us.archive.org/31/items/TerryADavis_TempleOS_Archive/fan%20media/images/Terry%20Davis%20Death%20Evidence.png)

That somebody [his family?] was encouraging people to donate to the Brain and Behavior Research Foundation. I know from my own research into nonprofits that this is seemingly a good and legit charity for mental health research. I would encourage HN readers to check it out.

</comment><comment><USER50> I have first heard of Terry Davis on HN. I am not American, so I couldn't probably do much. A lot of comments blame mental illness etc, whereas IMO, his condition being well known, an otherwise talented person like him should have been more taken care of by his relatives and anyone who was in capacity to recognize his good parts. So much people knew about him and him being so unique I thought someone would support him somehow.

<comment><USER51> As I understand it, some people did. He was living with his parents at one point, and had family support to at least some degree. Mental illness is tough sometimes...it's not always possible to protect an adult with mental illness from themselves (and it's not always safe to welcome an adult with mental illness into one's home or allow them to remain if their mental illness proves dangerous).

There's a lot of discussion we, as citizens in the US, should have about safety nets for people with mental illness, and I think it's clear Terry wasn't getting the help he needed. There are homeless folks in every major city in America who are similarly dealing with mental illness, we just don't hear about them because they aren't brilliant programmers working on such an odd project that it almost demands attention from fellow nerds.

We have no idea what hardships Terry's family dealt with. He was certainly brilliant, but not always kind or calm. I've found him fascinating for years (in a sort of "there but for the grace of god go I" sort of way, as severe mental illness runs in my family), but he could be incredibly hostile and unpredictable (in addition to the overt racism that ran throughout his work and words). He was banned from HN _numerous_ times (someone linked an HN profile of his but he's had several) for his hostility and racism. I'm not saying this to speak ill of the dead here...it just seems awful to blame his surviving family when we know so little about what went on that led to him being homeless. I don't know that they'd ever see it, but it's still kinda shitty to blame someone's family for not doing enough, especially when we don't know anything about them or what they did for Terry.

<comment><USER10> In some of his videos his parents yell at him for racism and anti-semitism. IIRC they kicked him out at some point.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER52> Dear Terry,

I didn't know you...but I respected you. You had mad coding chops and a sense of humor one can appreciate when they view your YouTube videos. Reviewing the code of TempleOS made me a better programmer.

Long live Holy C and 640x480...

RIP and thank you.

A virtual friend.

<comment><USER53> Watching him drop undecorated assembly code into his Holy C editor and then wrap it in a for loop was an eye-opener for me. Even more interesting was the one-line function call with a sprite object argument that is 'printed' in the console. Thought-provoking to say the least.

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBgIBF9Y6PE&t=451s&has_verif...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBgIBF9Y6PE&t=451s&has_verified=1)

9:20 mark. It's Terry so the language is NSFW.

RIP

<comment><USER54> Thanks! Watching him over the years made me start writing my own tools for a lot of things instead of just accepting what functionality an app provide and how they choose to provide it.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER55> This guy definitely belongs to the hacker community. He was a weirdo, a misfit, a nerd, like many of us. There is always a thin line between being a genius and being insane.

</comment><comment><USER56> Pretty sure this would be seen as defiling TempleOS... but as a way to preserve it, can someone get it to run inside WebAssembly? Maybe inside a VM?

<comment><USER57> Terry himself does it, so I think it can be run on a VM while maintaining the purity of the OS (there's a lot of profanity): [https://youtu.be/mBgIBF9Y6PE](https://youtu.be/mBgIBF9Y6PE)

</comment></comment><comment><USER58> I was always fascinated by Terry Davis work, but for some strange reason I also watched a lot of his more casual videos, like "Picnic Monet" [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBtkHMdh_V8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBtkHMdh_V8).

I'll make sure to tell the legend of "el solitario programador de dios" to my fellow countrymen.

Descansa en paz Terry.

</comment><comment><USER22> For those wanting further confirmation that Terry was the man killed by a train in The Dalles, OR:

[http://www.thedalleschronicle.com/news/2018/sep/07/man- kille...](http://www.thedalleschronicle.com/news/2018/sep/07/man-killed-train- had-tech-following/)

</comment><comment><USER59> Terry Davis' legacy will be remembered by a lot of different communities. I found him through a YT video that focused on his controversial side but was pretty inspired by his projects. All I can say is he touched a lot of different people and his legacy/infamy is vast.

</comment><comment><USER60> Terry was such an interesting dude. Just check out his response to all the haters: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBgIBF9Y6PE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBgIBF9Y6PE)

</comment><comment> oh-kumudo Any introduction about this guy, his accomplishments and TempleOS in general?

<comment><USER61> This is the only article I can remember reading about him: [https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/wnj43x/gods- lonel...](https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/wnj43x/gods-lonely- programmer)

<comment><USER62> Another article that centers not around the person, but TempleOS: [http://www.codersnotes.com/notes/a-constructive-look-at- temp...](http://www.codersnotes.com/notes/a-constructive-look-at-templeos/)

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER63> What was the license on TempleOS? I know a lot of people thought it had clever language features. Will there be any continued development?

<comment><USER64> It's public domain, and seeing as Terry was the sole author it's unlikely to have any sort of official continuation.

<comment><USER65> a fork with tcp support lives on - [https://github.com/minexew/Shrine](https://github.com/minexew/Shrine)

<comment><USER47> a network stack has no place in the temple.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER66> Great programmer; unfortunate illness. RIP.

<comment> ryan-allen F

</comment></comment><comment><USER67> I will miss you Terry

</comment><comment> kyle-rb RIP Terry. I hope he finally gets his space alien.

</comment><comment><USER68> Thanks for the inspiration, RIP

</comment><comment><USER69> this dude taught me to really value simplicity. thank you

</comment><comment><USER70> He will live on in legend.

</comment><comment><USER71> King Terry has risen.

</comment><comment><USER19> He would have been furious about the request to donate to mental health organizations being on his website.</comment>


Toyota's Engineering Team Completes New Sienna Minivan from Home - <AUTHOR> https://www.engineering.com/AdvancedManufacturing/ArticleID/20510/Toyotas-Engineering-Team-Completes-New-Sienna-Minivan-from-Home.aspx <comment><USER2> And they don't feel bad about engineering ICE cars in 2020?</comment>


Grid Style Sheets - <AUTHOR> http://gridstylesheets.org

<comment> 97-109-107 Can someone explain to me what this is good for in real deployment scenarios? I'm moderately experience with front and back-end stacks, but have little understanding what this is about.

<comment><USER2> It allows me someone slow/incompetent with doing layout in CSS to do it, because I'm familiar with auto layout from iOS.

Now, I can do proper design with CSS, but I've always had problems with laying things out properly. This helps. I'm incredibly impressed so far.

I was planning on spending vacation of figuring out CSS layouting, but honestly this is far more impressive.</comment></comment>


The Toxic Rainbow of Locked Technology - <AUTHOR> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/12/closed-proprietary-felonious-toxic-rainbow-locked-technology <comment><USER2> Ref. MQA (Master Quality Authenticated)

[0] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_Quality_Authenticated](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_Quality_Authenticated)</comment>


BostonGlobe.com: The largest newspaper website made with responsive design  - <AUTHOR> http://www.bostonglobe.com Try resizing the page and/or view it on multiple devices. Let us know what you think.<p>And yes, to click on an article or go past the main page, you need to sign-up. But still -- this is the largest major newspaper website to design a site completely using responsive design. <comment><AUTHOR> And here's a video that discusses the decisions made behind going full- responsive design on the site: <http://bo.st/bglvideo>

<comment><USER2> Congratulations, it looks and works great. Spent 5 minutes just resizing the window and watching all the different permutations of the weather info.

</comment></comment><comment><USER3> Here's an interview with Jeff Moriarty, the Boston Globe's vice president of digital products. [http://emediavitals.com/content/bostonglobecom-future-web- de...](http://emediavitals.com/content/bostonglobecom-future-web-design)

</comment><comment><USER4> Very nice. Great to see a newspaper company not flail and panic and put all its design resources into native apps because everyone else is. Also, one of the least ad-centric front pages I've seen in awhile.</comment>