Italian 'anti-vax' advocate Massimiliano Fedriga catches chickenpox - <AUTHOR> https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/massimiliano-fedriga-no-vax-advocate-catches-chickenpox-cbnpkdbh6 <comment><USER2> While I don't especially like the guy (he's the governor of my very state), the title is clickbait and the news is NOT ACCURATE.

Fedriga is 38 years old, just like me; and, when he was a child, just like me, chickenpox vaccination WAS NOT MANDATORY IN ITALY, nor it was recommended. I was not vaccinated against chickenpox, either, while I did all recommended shots.

It is mandatory TODAY, and he has already stated that his children ARE vaccinated.

The only reason because this was news is because he has stated that he's against the Lorenzin law which makes vaccination required in order to go to school.

EDIT: In the 80s there was no chickenpox vaccine available at all.

EDIT 2: Fedriga's answer to his haters:

[https://www.facebook.com/massimilianofedriga/posts/101620342...](https://www.facebook.com/massimilianofedriga/posts/10162034241635393)

(can't seem to make google translate work on fb, you'll need to copypaste the text yourself)

<comment><USER3> I didn't see what is inaccurate, he is an anti-Vaxer and he has caught chicken pox. Low rates of vaccination, for whatever reason, carry significant risks of increased infection rates. He's lucky it's just chicken pox, but the reason this should be news and is important is that people are dying needlessly from measles.

Infections and deaths from measles are on the rise in countries with significant anti-vacination movements. This nonsense is killing people.

<comment><USER2> Why is he an anti-vaxxer? He's got all his recommended shots, and his kids got those as well.

He's against the mandatory vaccination law... but you should remember his party is an opponent of the party who introduced such law. It's more about politics than being an antivaxxer.

And many countries in the world don't mandate vaccination - is it full of antivaxxers out there?

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER4> Having had chicken pox as an adult I hope he enjoys it as much as I did.

Took me two years to get over it completely.

</comment><comment><USER5> Dangerous for pregnant women IIRC. And can cause complications later in life, afaik.

Either he shakes it off, feeling confirmed in his pov. Or he suffers miserably. Both are no outcomes I wish.

<comment><USER6> Apparently - like other herpes viruses - the virus remains inactive after recovery and can resurface at older age. I had chickenplox as a child, ouch.

[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shingles](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shingles)

</comment></comment><comment><USER7> So what is the news? Nearly every child had that some decades ago.

It isn't like measles, which _was_ vaccinated against back then.

</comment><comment><USER8> He probably had a higher contact rate with non-vaccinated population.

I don't see a reason to mock him and wish a fast recovery.

<comment><USER9> I do wish him a fast recovery, but I don't mind him being mocked.

He knowingly preys on people's ignorance and fears and the damage he causes is not even confined to himself or the people who listen to him, but people who can't vaccinate their children for legitimate reason are put in danger because of his actions. Even people who do vaccinate their children are put at risk because herd immunity is compromised.

<comment><USER10> I do mind him being mocked when mocking him means you have totally failed to understand the situation.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER11> At least he sticks to his word and doesn't take vaccinations himself?

<comment><USER12> Chickenpox vaccinations are not mandatory in all of Europe. E.g. our daughter was vaccinated against chickenpox because we lived in Germany at the time (where they have been vaccinating against chickenpox since 2004), but kids in The Netherlands (where we live now) are not vaccinated against chickenpox.

<comment><USER13> The NHS also do not vaccinate for chickenpox in the U.K, arguing that vaccinating children (where chickenpox is mild) makes the the health risks for adults more severe

[https://www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/childrens- health/...](https://www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/childrens-health/why- are-children-in-the-uk-not-vaccinated-against-chickenpox/)</comment></comment></comment>


"You won't read about this in the media, but…" - <AUTHOR> https://medium.com/@martinbelam/you-won-t-read-about-this-in-the-media-but-b275d46fd51f <comment><USER2> I think this misses the larger point, which is that the West is by-and-large desensitized to violence in the middle east.

Bomb in Lebanon = dog bites man.

Bomb in Paris = man bites dog.

<comment><AUTHOR> Of course, but I think this is a completely normal psychological process. Humans react to the things that are out of the ordinary. The fact that bombings have becoming ordinary in the Middle East is shameful, of course, and needs to be addressed. But that is not up to the media.

What one could do though on an individual level is being aware and conscious about news reports from other parts of the world, and acknowledge them. Personally, this is exactly what I did with the news about the Beirut attack, even before the thing in Paris happened.</comment></comment>


"New York Resolution" - photo essay of New Yorkers and their resolve for 2010  - <AUTHOR> http://www.newyorkresolution.com

<comment><AUTHOR> Hi guys -

This is a photo essay that I completed on January 2-3, 2010.

I asked pedestrians to pause for a minute (in the single-degree temperature) and write their resolution on a large piece of paper, and hold it up for the world.

The result is a series of photos that showcase our resolve for 2010. The resolutions are honest, evocative, sometimes irreverent, but always heartfelt.

I'd love if you could also bump it on Reddit. Aspiring photographer needs your love. <http://bit.ly/6WedAh>

Happy 2010, Dan

</comment><comment><USER2> Not for HN. Flagged.

<comment><AUTHOR> Hmm - there were some threads about new year's resolutions here, and I thought this submission might "gratify one's intellectual curiosity."

My apologies if it's out of place.</comment></comment>


Fukushima disaster: Robot finds possible melted nuclear fuel - <AUTHOR> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-40696303 <comment><USER2> It is great to see this issue (which is a pet one of mine) given fair context. I'm really glad to see someone juxtaposing:

\- "...the most serious nuclear accident since Chernobyl..."

\- "More than 18,500 people were killed ... when an earthquake triggered the massive tsunami ..."

\- "No-one died directly in the Fukushima disaster."

Not that it isn't a disaster; just that the disaster, in context, wasn't the biggest deal that day.

<comment><USER3> 18,500 dead for a single weather event is a disaster by any measure.

Additionally the 2011 Fukushima reactor failure is the worst nuclear accident since Chernobyl which means it is the second (or third) worst nuclear accident in history. [0]

What do you mean by "the disaster, in context, wasn't the biggest deal that day"?

I'm not trolling. I honestly cannot understand what you are trying to communicate.

Are you diminishing the magnitude of the disaster? If so, you haven't yet presented anything to warrant the designification of the tsunami and subsequent Fukushima reactor failure.

[0] [http://www.ucsusa.org/nuclear-power/nuclear-power- accidents/...](http://www.ucsusa.org/nuclear-power/nuclear-power- accidents/history-nuclear-accidents#.WXSqD8aZMUE)

EDIT: Add link and parenthetical "(or third)".

<comment><USER2> No worries. I see two separate disasters here, both linked. The first an absolutely devastating weather event that killed more people than live in my home town in it's entirety + caused massive damage, and secondly the Fukushima nuclear disaster (which seems to be treated separately in many cases, which the article is about and which my comment was directed at).

In my experience, many people & journalists hold Fukushima up as a really bad disaster. I'm trying to communicate that I don't think that Fukushima was a disaster that warranted international coverage - the weather was.

At an international scale, I don't think Fukushima is much worse than a near miss. I would be really interested to get an expert academic order of magnitude on how many people died in the evacuation due to the Fukushima disaster vs. the theoretical number of deaths if they had evacuated more slowly (say over 12 months). It frustrates me that the cost-benefits of the evacuation aren't a more prominent point of discussion.

EDIT: Just for fun; I can't pretend I know anything about radiation or what the Japanese are up to; but on wiki I see things like "absolute increase in the risk of cancer(of all types) during their lifetime, of approximately 1% due to the accident" [1], " Life expectancy of the evacuees dropped from 65 to 58 years ... because of depression, alcoholism, and suicide" [2]. I'd like to know who I can turn to for an honest rundown of the risks, because the radiation doesn't seem that terrible.

[1] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_Daiichi_nuclear_disa...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_Daiichi_nuclear_disaster_casualties#WHO_Report)

[2] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_reaction_to_Fukushima...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_reaction_to_Fukushima_Daiichi_nuclear_disaster#Long- term_effects)

<comment><USER4> From wikipedia:

"but 34 people died as a result of the evacuation" [1].

I'm not sure I can agree that Fukushima isn't an internationally noteworthy incident. It's even one that really requires long term monitoring of radiation levels (locally only of course).

Many mistakes were made in the handling of the Fukushima reactor and accident. Radiation accidents have the potential of be massive disasters. It's important to learn from Fukushima, and not just treat it as an "acceptable cost".

[1] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_Daiichi_nuclear_disa...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_Daiichi_nuclear_disaster_casualties)

<comment><USER5> I don't think they said it wasn't noteworthy.

<comment><USER6> Didn't they thought?

 _I 'm trying to communicate that I don't think that Fukushima was a disaster that warranted international coverage - the weather was._

I guess you could draw a distinction between the terminology each post used, but it reads the same to me.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER7> I'm interested in how this robot "survived" the radiation levels that many previous robots did not [1]. I know little to nothing about radiation hardening, but this seems like an almost impossible task, considering it being exposed to more than 530 sieverts per hour [2], which is the highest radiation level ever recorded.

[1] [http://gizmodo.com/excessive-radiation-inside-fukushima- frie...](http://gizmodo.com/excessive-radiation-inside-fukushima-fries-clean- up-rob-1792217866)

[2] [https://www.sciencealert.com/radiation-levels-in-the- fukushi...](https://www.sciencealert.com/radiation-levels-in-the-fukushima- reactor-have-started-unexpectedly-climbing)

<comment><USER8> Water absorbs radiation really well. [https://what- if.xkcd.com/29/](https://what-if.xkcd.com/29/)

</comment></comment><comment><USER9> It's amazing to me that we're six years in now and essentially no progress has been made on cleanup beyond simple containment and mitigation. I suppose Chernobyl isn't particularly any different in that regard either.

<comment><USER3> In March, the NYT published an article discussing the accumulation of contaminated water from the failed Fukushima reactor. [0]

At the time of writing, 400 tons per day of contaminated water were being collected and officials were concerned that storage for the water might run out.

Alarmingly, one possible contingency was to dilute the collected contaminated water and dump it in the ocean.

Excerpted from the article:

      > But the decontamination filters cannot remove all the
      > radioactive material. So for now, all this water is being
      > stored in 1,000 gray, blue and white tanks on the grounds.
      > The tanks already hold 962,000 tons of contaminated water,
      > and Tokyo Electric is installing more tanks. It is also
      > trying to slow the flow of groundwater through the reactors
      > by building an underground ice wall.
      >
      > Within a few years, though, and no one is sure exactly when,
      > the plant may run out of room to store the contaminated
      > water. "We cannot continue to build tanks forever," said
      > Shigenori Hata, an official at the Ministry of Economy,
      > Trade and Industry.
      >
      > The authorities are debating whether it might be acceptable,
      > given the relatively low radioactive levels in the water, to
      > dilute the contaminated water and then dump it into the
      > ocean. But local fishermen are vehemently opposed. Many
      > people still do not trust Tokyo Electric because of its
      > bungled response to the disaster, the worst nuclear accident
      > since Chernobyl.

[0] [https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/03/11/world/asia/struggling-...](https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/03/11/world/asia/struggling- with-japans-nuclear-waste-six-years-after-disaster.html)

<comment><USER5> My understanding, which is limited, is that it's not as alarming as it sounds. The water is "contaminated" with tritium (really, the water is composed in part of tritium), which has low bioavailability. Much more importantly, however big a number "962,000 tons" sounds like, the ocean is vast, on a whole different scale from anything amount of water humans can manipulate directly.

If the liquid was radioactive sludge that would could settle at the seafloor or clump up and ride the top of the waves like an oil slick, dumping it would be untenable. But tritiated water is literally just water; it will quickly dilute back down to the ambient radioactivity of the ocean.

I'm not saying I approve of them dumping HTO into the ocean; I'm just saying it may not be as terrible as it sounds.

<comment><USER9> The half-life of tritium is also only 12.3 years. So you're not creating a permanent problem by dumping it, and the longer you leave it sitting around in tanks, the less the problem is when you do dump it somewhere.

<comment><USER10> Tritium is rare enough that it seems like they'd be better off trying to harvest it than dump it. You can't extract tritium form water like you can deuterium since tritium is rare in nature. Typically you need a breeder reactor (like Watts Bar Nuclear) where you bombard lithium in order to generate tritium.

<comment><USER9> I don't think there's some huge unmet industrial demand for tritium, though, and even if there were, it'd probably be more cost-effective to simply breed it out using an existing reactor in controlled circumstances than to try to distill it from millions of tonnes of radioactive wastewater.

And unlike helium, it's not worth stockpiling tritium now if you don't have immediate uses for it, as it decays in storage.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER11> Have there been independent assessments of sea food safety in Japan? Not that I don't absolutely trust the government on this...

EDIT: Linked at the bottom of the article - [http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world- asia-39140871/checking-radi...](http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world- asia-39140871/checking-radiation-levels-in-the-fukushima-area)

Also from that video: [https://blog.safecast.org](https://blog.safecast.org)

<comment><USER12> This was studied far from Japan but fish off the Oregon coast have certainly remained safe to eat.

[https://whatisnuclear.com/resources/fish_from_fukushima.html](https://whatisnuclear.com/resources/fish_from_fukushima.html)</comment></comment>


Dave Winer asks: "Could Vista Fail?" - <AUTHOR> http://www.scripting.com/stories/2008/08/08/couldVistaFail.html

<comment><USER2> _"... Everything is happening in the web browser now, and Microsoft completely dropped the ball there. I use Firefox now, and I have very little interest in an OS designed to run IE better ..."_

Note the core of Dave Winers code is binary and runs on Windows & Mac. I think he means consumption and data.</comment>


Hi, I'm a Mac, and I'm Your Enterprise Computer - <AUTHOR> http://www.cio.com/article/106350 <comment><USER2> Kinda reads like a Microsoft PR piece, IMO. "In case you've been pressured into using those damn Macs at your company, here are all the ways in which it's going to be really sucky and expensive!"</comment>


Ask HN: Where would i learn how to write in a programming language? - <AUTHOR> where would i start to learn a language, mainly being python or javascript, two big languages under my impression. could someone comment github guides, good ones to these selected languages? i'd really appreciate it. <comment><USER2> [https://www.codecademy.com/](https://www.codecademy.com/) \- Has Python and JavaScript

[https://www.python.org/about/gettingstarted/](https://www.python.org/about/gettingstarted/) \- Python getting started

[https://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide/NonProgrammers](https://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide/NonProgrammers) \- Python for non-programmers

[https://www.codeschool.com/learn/javascript](https://www.codeschool.com/learn/javascript) \- JavScript course with videos

[https://javascript30.com/](https://javascript30.com/) \- JavaScript challenge video series.

[https://blog.miguelgrinberg.com/post/the-flask-mega- tutorial...](https://blog.miguelgrinberg.com/post/the-flask-mega-tutorial- part-i-hello-world) \- Learing a to use Flask, a Python web framework.

[https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/2.0/intro/tutorial01/](https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/2.0/intro/tutorial01/) \- Django tutorial

</comment><comment><USER3> This is really only helpful if you already know most of the core concepts and form your question I can't quite tell your level. But if you already know some languages I find this site really helpful:

[https://learnxinyminutes.com/](https://learnxinyminutes.com/)

Using their page on Golang[1] I was up and writing code in 40 minutes.

[1] [https://learnxinyminutes.com/docs/go/](https://learnxinyminutes.com/docs/go/)

</comment><comment><USER4> What have you tried? What problems did you encounter?

</comment><comment><USER5> For python take a look at the learning resources in the /r/learnpython subreddit wiki: [https://www.reddit.com/r/learnpython/wiki/index](https://www.reddit.com/r/learnpython/wiki/index)

</comment><comment><USER6> [http://greenteapress.com/wp/think-python/](http://greenteapress.com/wp/think- python/)

This is the best totally-new-to-programming book I've ever read.

<comment><USER6> too late to edit four days later, but I forgot to point out it is free.

</comment></comment><comment><USER7> For JS look at codeacademy or w3schools(they got a lot better).</comment>


Ex-Google Engineer Says the Company's Software Infrastructure is Obsolete - <AUTHOR> http://www.readwriteweb.com/cloud/2011/06/google-infrastructure-obsolete.php <comment><USER2> Reply from another Xoogler: [http://www.quora.com/Is-Googles-software- infrastructure-obso...](http://www.quora.com/Is-Googles-software- infrastructure-obsolete)

</comment><comment><USER3> From there last Panda update I must say I agree. Especially with the comment about Engineers in vacuum.. There last update was completely ignorant to real business website and what they provide.</comment>


From Computers to Leaders: Women at NASA Langley (2014) - <AUTHOR> http://www.nasa.gov/larc/from-computers-to-leaders-women-at-nasa-langley <comment><AUTHOR> [http://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2016/09/06/hidden-figures- book-m...](http://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2016/09/06/hidden-figures-book-movie- nasa)</comment>


Twitter's abuse problem is absolutely a failure of leadership - <AUTHOR> https://techcrunch.com/2017/10/12/twitters-abuse-problem-is-absolutely-a-failure-of-leadership/ <comment><USER2> This seems to me that Twitter is been biased. I mean is there now a policy against freedom of speech and expression. SMH</comment>


Show HN: DealPage - Aggregation of all Group Buying Daily Deal Sites - <AUTHOR> http://dealpage.me/

<comment><USER2> "love deals, hate email?" then the first thing hitting me is a dialog to enter my email? Messaging seems disjointed.

<comment><USER3> If the screen presented in the lightbox when the page loads is critical enough that it needs to happen every time any user visits the homepage, then perhaps consider incorporating it onto the page itself as the first thing users see when they land on 'home'.

The forced interaction of requiring a user to make an additional click on the 'x' to move on to anywhere else on your site is frustrating. (Considering the banner is also ever-present this seems redundant)

Edit: Lightbox also showing up on your About page - it's a bit much at this point.

<comment><USER4> Thanks for all your feedback - keep it coming.

You can turn off the lightbox by checking the "never show me again" checkbox.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> Guys, this is the first one around of its kinds in the US? I wonder this because here in brazil, where the group buying came some months after groupon, we already have something like this. Not only this, we have clone of these. The biggest is www.saveme.com.br. It was already aquired by the biggest internet company in brazil, the buscape.com.br.

I wondered this because the major inovation here in brazil, arent inovation, just some "braziliatization" of US new startups.

<comment><USER6> Definitely not the first. Deal aggregation sites are quite possibly a bigger trend than the group buying sites themselves

</comment></comment><comment><USER7> When you select the state you're in, a city is automatically "selected" in the final drop down box. I was kind of expecting the page to automatically reload with the deals around the city it chose. You need to actually reselect the city to have the page refresh, though.

Instead of having the city automatically selected, maybe have it say "Choose a city." Or have the the page refresh right away for the default city selection.

I am also not a fan of the fade-in/-out the "DealPage" text does when you hover over it. Mainly due to the fact that you can hover over the text a bunch of times very fast and then have to watch the logo fade from white to black over and over.

Other than those small gripes, the site is very nice visually. Good job!

<comment><USER8> Yep, that confused me too. Also, I would make the default USA.

<comment><USER9> But it would make sense to be Canada, seeing as it initially all started with dealpage.ca only based out of a few cities major cities in Canada. Just recently it was updated to handle a lot more cities within NA

<comment><USER8> I think I would look at the traffic and whichever is highest be the default. Since it was posted on HN, in general, traffic will be predominantly from the states.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER10> It looks great but I just want the data, I would like just text info, to make it as quick and clean as possible. Images and colors are sexy but I want to do a transaction not look at the site. This is my personal weirdness so take it for what it is worth.

I do not know the display requirements for each provider but a clean look, where I can sort by coupon category would be nice. I really don't care about the provider of the deal, just the deal.

That being said it looks like a really good start.

<comment><USER11> Got rid of the huge deal "provider" / service and made it smaller. Should check out the change: <http://dealpage.me> Considering your other comments as well.

</comment></comment><comment><USER12> What are you guys doing that Yipit doesn't do? Not that there isn't a place for multiple deal aggregators, but they've been doing/refining aggregation for a while.

<comment><USER11> Yipit isn't in Canada. DealPage seems to be going International.

<comment><USER13> Yipit is actually in Toronto, Montreal, and Vancouver.

<comment><USER11> You're right, just saw that (sorry). But I mean, 3 cities isn't exactly grabbing the Canadian market.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER14> I've seen these guys evolve when they were literally "a page full of deals" (hence DealPage). It'll be interesting to see how things will unravel in this space because I think user experience will be a huge factor in retaining engaged users.

</comment><comment><USER15> huge_ness, this is a great service. Please note however that email@example.com is a valid email address.

<comment><USER16> A simple "Your email validation has a bug" would have been sufficient. No need to be condescending.

<comment><USER15> It was pointing out how annoying broken validations can be, rather than trying to be condescending. Nevertheless, I rephrased it in a nicer way. Thanks.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER17> I would seriously consider making this page more accessible and thus, more usable.

</comment><comment><USER6> "All" is an understatement, I didn't see CrowdSavings.com on there!

</comment><comment><USER18> visually it's very nice! great job.

(but there are 400+ something groupon clones out there (and growing every day.) So technically it's not "all.")

</comment><comment><USER19> heres another great one. works quite well. <http://www.dealcompactor.com/>

</comment><comment><USER20> Great Job Guys!</comment>


Skype is down - <AUTHOR> https://twitter.com/Skype/status/645919917510914048 <comment><USER2> From Wikipedia:

"Skype originally featured a hybrid peer-to-peer and client–server system; however, since May 2012, Skype is entirely powered by Microsoft-operated supernodes. The 2013 mass surveillance disclosures revealed that Microsoft has granted intelligence agencies unfettered access to supernodes and Skype communication content."

Can anyone spot where they went wrong?

</comment><comment><USER3> It's working for me on desktop.

I used [https://web.skype.com](https://web.skype.com) when desktop skype was down :)

</comment><comment><AUTHOR> Down for me for at least last 6 hours. Text chat is going through but calls are not.</comment>


Ask HN: YouTube down? - <AUTHOR> <comment><USER2> Watch "Let's de-Google-ify the Internet" on PeerTube

[https://peer.mathdacloud.ovh/videos/watch/c193a2f6-8b24-48c3...](https://peer.mathdacloud.ovh/videos/watch/c193a2f6-8b24-48c3-a93e-f89bd71cad42)

[https://github.com/Chocobozzz/PeerTube](https://github.com/Chocobozzz/PeerTube)

[https://instances.joinpeertube.org/instances](https://instances.joinpeertube.org/instances)

<comment><USER3> When YouTube comes back up again, I can recommend Tom Scott with "Single Point of Failure: The (Fictional) Day Google Forgot To Check Passwords"

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4GB_NDU43Q](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4GB_NDU43Q)

<comment><USER4> Yes! This video was what caused me to reconsider my use of Google services seriously.

<comment><USER5> I was wondering how to react if this happened to me while watching the video. If, like me, you use Google with your email on your own domain (eg. gsuite), you could, in an emergency, change your MX records to something non-google.

<comment><USER6> Worth noting that "In an emergency" also relies on your MX records' TTL being set to a low value

<comment><USER7> And the DNS not being managed by Google and the domain not being bought through Google.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER8> Medium sized regional AS here: I am looking at a fairly large drop in IX traffic charts for our ports that face the IX, updated every 60s, which directly corresponds in time with the beginning of the Youtube outage. (We are not big enough to have a direct, dedicated peering session with the Google/Youtube AS).

At any given time of day 4pm-11pm a huge percent of our traffic is Youtube (or netflix, or amazon video, or hulu, or similar).

<comment><USER9> Is any of this info publicly available anywhere?

<comment><USER10> IX charts are public in Chile by law. Everything looks well except the Telefonica (TIWS) international trunk [1]. It started dropping all traffic at the same time.

[1] [http://pit.grupogtd.com/default.php?id=1](http://pit.grupogtd.com/default.php?id=1)

<comment><USER11> Que bacan weon! Estoy en viña ahorita. Sabes por que Movistar es muy lento com LTE aca?

<comment><USER12> Are you on prepaid? Virtually all Chilean prepaid carriers are deathly slow, especially outside of Santiago. I had barely any service in Algarrobo on Claro, but postpaid plans ran just fine, especially Claro, even in crazy places like Farellones :)

For what it's worth, I hated every second of my life in vina and that stupid town to the north of it and also Valparaiso. God, bring me back to La Parva or Embalse El Yeso. Some of the most incredible, untouched mystical land there!

<comment><USER11> I'm currently roaming on a post paid US plan. When I arrived in Chile I had 3G on Claro. Then it switched me to LTE on Movistar. 3G on Claro was more reliable.

Interesting to know about pre vs post paid. Will keep it in mind for longer trips when I normally buy a local SIM.

We just spent the last week in Torres del Paine backpacking around ... what an amazing place! Going to spend a couple days in viña and then headed to Conce to see some old friends. I've not been to La Parva but will add it to the list!

<comment><USER12> Enjoy, my friend! If you have a car, the mountains to the East of Santiago are absolutely awesome. Everything is safe and cool there, nothing worse than Californian tier driving. There's even free wifi at La Parva, and a ski lift to I think 12,000 feet in elevation if you dont want to walk haha.

Enjoy the city! I just had really bad experiences there. It's probably not the norm but I just hate petty thieves and the grime when I'm paying foreigner prices. I was based in Las Condes for 3 months and really loved it.

I think I still have my little $7 claro sim card lying around here somewhere :)))

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER13> Do they encrypt the server side error stack trace?

500 Internal Server Error Sorry, something went wrong.

A team of highly trained monkeys has been dispatched to deal with this situation.

If you see them, send them this information as text (screenshots frighten them): APkpgMWbWQ3LvimPoFynDB0W8VeUJ9ECiPcDCm8L0Qiku1I2TbAShWp- taKn- AzOGigwq0sU4oe9mbWb2Bwv4BK37C5xOAL7qm11fHn4L0swqhLk wbcnyKH2HM3AQNf- ucVsolyigJTNKA2SSNUMVZnDPmfsFH7ecKkpQmNi VGWhtXypv0zJyz9d_mpkgMoONtIrPUA4imxK- gNnE-_WQWQZNJm0CTae slJVC-TYgnvOZ9AYp6nodeUNpCoGspWaJVXn_ZSxy-71oGdlkCqWs6AY 2wmIEKe8eeAMqwkTHZNHkbAaH-fxWE_WDPuG-q7AFbOz8jZCFD06MYgf obFUSaH6B7PUdBFwVvjEaTD34J8PVhZTIJziRK-9-wSHOI6Vwf1lTuFe X0m52abRMW1VJaZB3taHK09kFT8Lv546OPhsL0Bn70UIs2durkAAYe4Z ...

<comment><USER14> Thats prob base64 and your IP might be in the decoded string.

<comment><USER15> Messing around with it for a minute it seems it's a modified base64 (+ and / are replaced by - and _) with a space every 56 characters. I couldn't get any permutation where a-z, A-Z, 0-9, and -_/_- were consistent so it's either encrypted or one of 1,268,869,321,858,841,641,034,33,389,335,161,480,802,865,516,174,545,192,198,801,894,375,214,704,230,400,000,000,000,000 permutations of the encoding alphabet (or I messed up the decoding).

<comment><USER16> The modified base64 is probably just URL encoding [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base64#URL_applications](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base64#URL_applications)

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER17> I'm imagining millions of kids in restaurants crying out because their "iPads aren't working"

<comment><USER18> My son is having "a moment"

<comment><USER19> Mine is sleeping, I was ready to enjoy the new justforfunc episode... I'm the one that is crying...

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER20> My wife says: "they probably ran out of space on their server"

<comment><USER21> Probably because the logs directory filled up...

</comment></comment><comment><USER22> I have never seen Youtube not work. Ever. This is a special moment. Glad you are all here to share it with me :)

<comment><USER23> I am proud to say that in 2008 my country knocked this puny website off the interwebs in a bid to censor it within the country. They accidentally hijacked the global IP addresses[0]

I am also proud to say that my country left the domain for their original Internet Exchange Point[1] unregistered. Guess who scooped it up?

PS. My country is Pakistan.

[0]: [https://www.cnet.com/news/how-pakistan-knocked-youtube- offli...](https://www.cnet.com/news/how-pakistan-knocked-youtube-offline-and- how-to-make-sure-it-never-happens-again/)

[1]: [https://pie.net.pk](https://pie.net.pk)

<comment><USER24> Well everyone here seems mighty proud of censorship. Its too bad when Google themselves want to do it in China everyone loses their shit!

<comment><USER23> I guess the sarcasm in my original post wasn't obvious enough. But, yes، that was sarcasm۔

I'm also suing the Pakistani Federal Government to hand over a list of censored internet resources as part of a FOIA request. The hearing is tomorrow [0], wish me luck!

[0]: [https://link.medium.com/RkevqMKY4Q](https://link.medium.com/RkevqMKY4Q)

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER25> Interestingly, my youtube-dl archiving script is still chugging along with only a handful of elevated retry rates. So whatever the problem is, it's probably not at the API or CDN layers.

<comment><USER26> isn't it also strange that the shadow of their ui components are still loading?

<comment><USER27> They're generic templates to make you think the page is loading faster than it is. They don't represent the content that eventually (normally) shows up.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER28> Ha! My time to shine.. I've got somewhere around 80TB of YouTube content on my NAS including thousands of videos that aren't available anymore on YouTube or anywhere else online. The joy of hoarding data..

<comment><USER29> I hope you've got plans for what happens to that content when you're not around any more. With how ephemeral a lot of content is on YouTube there's sure to be valuable videos on people's drives.

<comment><USER28> I actually do have plans for that in place!

I've got two identical servers, one will go to The Internet Archive and the other one should go to some German archive but I haven't decided which one, still looking around.

I have a script in place that deletes all private data off of those servers before and instructed two friends and some family members on how to proceed.

Of course I don't just hoard YouTube videos.. There's a wide variety of data on there.

About lost content; I just recently started looking up all the YouTube videos I own to see how many aren't available anymore on YouTube (A LOT). Still trying to decide if I should re-up them with some burner accounts or leave it be..

<comment><USER29> Talk to Jason Scott at archive.org. Those taken down videos could be uploaded now for safekeeping

<comment><USER28> I just have to figure out how to check which ones already are on Archive. But I'll absolutely do that!

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER30> This is going to be one good postmortem.

<comment><USER31> I sure hope they live stream it.

<comment><USER32> On Twitch of course

<comment><USER33> You're joking, but I like the idea of watching a live postmortem with Twitch chat.

<comment><USER34> Me too, but I imagine a tsunami of 4head spam.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER35> Getting errors too. First time ever tho so props to the YouTube team for being pretty damn good most of the time.

</comment><comment><USER36> Are we going to start a betting pool as to why?

I put $20 on DDoS, but I'm hedging $5 that someone spilled their drink on something important and quickly got out of there before anyone noticed.

<comment><USER37> Wouldn't DDoS be incredibly hard to pull off given YouTubes vast resources? I mean they generate so much traffic all the time and serve so many requests a second I don't know if botnets of that size exist. Anyone here more knowledgeable?

<comment> mark-r Maybe it's a brain teaser - if you can answer how to DDoS Youtube, they'll call you up for an interview.

<comment><USER38> I could tell you a few ways, but would never work for them out of principle. They can find their own bugs.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER39> I was setting up a new network and thought it was my settings! I've been driving myself mad for the last 45 minutes thinking that I had fudged up somewhere! Thank goodness for this post

<comment><USER40> It was working fine for me until the minute I hit Upload on a video. I was entirely convinced I'd had my account auto-banned or something, and was very confused/frustrated. Couldn't find any mention of it anywhere at that point, then this thread popped up.

It's pretty telling that YouTube is so reliable, and Google is so horrible to their users, that my first instinct was that I got banned for no reason by some bot, rather than the site was broken.

<comment><USER41> This is what happens when one is the user be not the customer

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER42> First thing I see on their Twitter page are fake _verified_ Youtube accounts perpetuating some Crypto scam: [https://i.imgur.com/PkEbjH5.png](https://i.imgur.com/PkEbjH5.png)

<comment><USER43> Typical scam. Problem is verified accounts can change names so scammers steal details for random verified accounts and then use them to pretend to be high profile accounts.

</comment></comment><comment><USER44> From Ops to Ops, much respect YouTube/Goog and a tremendous pat on the back to this even being such a big deal.

I'll happily, but very-boredly, wait until you're done. :)

<comment><USER45> Kudos to the Ops team indeed, can't wait to read the PM report.

</comment></comment><comment><USER46> New Boston Dynamics dancing robot video launched today is probably to blame. :)

(and if you haven't seen it now you have something to look forward to when Youtube comes back)

<comment><USER47> Or you can view it now [https://twitter.com/YouTube/status/1052213813108453377](https://twitter.com/YouTube/status/1052213813108453377)

</comment></comment><comment><USER48> Woke up randomly at 3am (utc+2). Opened HN. saw this ask HN

Think I felt a great disturbance on the net and woke up, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly presented with a black screen on their YouTubes. I fear something terrible has happened

<comment><USER49> This exact same thing happened with me. I woke up at unusual time.

Its working now though.

</comment></comment><comment><USER50> Very glad to see it's not just me. I was about to think they had a radical new redesign again with everything AJAX'd and decided to make it totally unusable in anything but the very _very_ latest DRM-encumbered browser(s).

</comment><comment><USER51> Well...this is a good excuse for me to setup a PeerTube mirror for my YouTube channel.

</comment><comment><USER52> Let's speculate, how much money would you guys guess is being lost every minute of downtime?

<comment><USER53> > Estimates for YouTube's annual revenue, nearly all of which still comes from > ads, vary a fair amount. But many of the estimates are now above $10 > billion. At different points, Bank of America and Mizuho forecast that > YouTube would post 2017 revenue of $13 billion and $12 billion, > respectively. And in February, Baird's Colin Sebastian estimated YouTube is > doing around $15 billion in annual sales. [0]

I think that works out to a bit more than $28k/minute.

[0] [https://www.thestreet.com/investing/youtube-might-be- worth-o...](https://www.thestreet.com/investing/youtube-might-be-worth- over-100-billion-14586599)

</comment></comment><comment><USER54> Unrelated, but on a recent network outage ([https://status.cloud.google.com/incident/cloud- networking/18...](https://status.cloud.google.com/incident/cloud- networking/18016)):

      The incident occurred while Google's network operations team was replacing
      the routers that link us-central1-c to Google's backbone that connects to
      the public internet. Google engineers paused the router replacement process
      after determining that additional cabling would be required to complete the
      process and decided to start a rollback operation. The rollout and rollback
      operations utilized a version of workflow that was only compatible with the
      newer routers. Specifically, rollback was not supported on the older routers.

And the postmortem action item is:

      Fix the automated workflows for router replacements to ensure the correct
      version of workflows are utilized for both types of routers.

The action items should have been "1) make this work for these two routers, and 2) make sure no platforms ever get left out again".

This shouldn't have happened, because it should be standard practice to test both upgrade and rollback on all your gear. Network gear vendors do this as standard practice before they ship new gear with upgrade instructions. Google can throw together end-to-end automated tests of upgrades/rollbacks and refuse to perform maintenance until tests pass.

The bigger postmortem question should be, why was the change allowed at all if the platform didn't support rollback? Additional action item: "3) don't allow changes if the platforms don't support and have successful rollback tests".

Now, did they _need_ to test rollback? Maybe they don't mind portions of CloudSQL, Spanner, Storage, BigTable, and AppEngine being down for 41 minutes in one zone. But if they're not even testing rollback for BGP changes, what else aren't they testing?

...Also, lol, they realized in the middle of an upgrade that they didn't have enough network cable? Maybe add an extra action item: "4) count how much network cable you have before you start replacing core routers"

<comment><USER55> Spanner and Storage at least are region-wide, so a single AZ going down shouldn't affect customers on those products.

</comment></comment><comment><USER56> Some analysts predict YouTube to bring in $15 billion in ad revenue in 2018. If so, they are losing around $28,000 for every minute they are down.

<comment><USER57> I think you meant $280,000?

<comment><USER58> Nah, $28k - [https://duckduckgo.com/?q=15%2C000%2C000%2C000+divided+by+52...](https://duckduckgo.com/?q=15%2C000%2C000%2C000+divided+by+525960&t=lm&ia=calculator)

<comment><USER57> -1 on my mental math, +1 on duckduckgo's UI for arithmetic.

<comment><USER59> Google's is more impressive: [https://www.google.com/search?q=15+billion+divided+by+minute...](https://www.google.com/search?q=15+billion+divided+by+minutes+per+year)

Or even better: [https://www.google.com/search?q=%2415+billion+per+year+in+do...](https://www.google.com/search?q=%2415+billion+per+year+in+dollars+per+minute)

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER60> Yup, this is all I get when I load it: [https://www.dropbox.com/s/thbiecwx04on7d5/Screenshot%202018-...](https://www.dropbox.com/s/thbiecwx04on7d5/Screenshot%202018-10-16%2021.17.24.png?dl=0)

</comment><comment><USER61> Interestingly, this article [1] mentions a 2008 YouTube outage caused by a BGP misconfig during an attempt to ban YouTube in Pakistan. Included is a screenshot similar to what we've seeing with this outage. Possibly related?

[1] [https://blog.cdemi.io/beginners-guide-to-understanding- bgp/](https://blog.cdemi.io/beginners-guide-to-understanding-bgp/)

</comment><comment><USER62> Can Netflix handle the extra load? Haha.

<comment><USER63> And Twitch.

</comment></comment><comment><USER64> A lot of different sites are down right now. I wonder what's going on.

<comment><USER65> what are some others?

<comment><USER66> Quora is down for me.

<comment><USER67> Quota still seems to be up for me, South West England.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER68> Fortunately, I still get to see a banner advertising their streaming music service, or to watch the World Series through Youtube.

Nice to see their ad-service platform isn't impacted. /s

</comment><comment><USER69> It's back! I've been refreshing every second - That must've fixed it.

</comment><comment><USER70> We take a special Joy when things break, I wonder if there is a word for that?

<comment><USER71> A made-up word and a nice video, now that YT is back up: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqovm- Io2D0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqovm-Io2D0)

<comment><USER70> Wow! Yeah that feeling of the big storm

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER21> videolectures.net is still up, so if anybody is bored...

Here's a good one:

[http://videolectures.net/mackay_course_01/](http://videolectures.net/mackay_course_01/)

<comment><USER72> David Mackay's videos and books (freely available) are all great. He was an excellent teacher, and doer.

</comment></comment><comment><USER73> Yep, that's what I'm seeing. I also came directly to HN to see if others were, and this is the top thread. Well done HN!

</comment><comment><USER74> I wonder how much each minute of downtime is worth in revenue numbers?

</comment><comment><USER75> Still not up here in Metro Boston. I eagerly await the (I assume) super interesting explanation of what went wrong tomorrow.

<comment><USER76> Back now in Boston.

</comment></comment><comment><USER77> Child getting crazy with @youtube down. LoL, they don't understand that services can get offline. #youtubeisdown

<comment><USER78> I'm trying to explain it to a very distraught 2.5 year old.

<comment><USER25> Tell them YouTube is sleeping. My toddler explains every sort of absence as whatever it is (inanimate or otherwise) sleeping.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER79> Youtube-dl is also not working surprisingly. It's crazy how I still assumed it was my network and not youtube. Speaks to how much I depend and rely on youtube being available as a staple in my life. For me the error just says webpage is unavailable. I am in NJ so east coast has a large outage probably.

<comment><USER80> Melbourne, Australia here reporting a home page which loads with blank placeholder content. 2018-10-17 12:52.

Edit: one minute later, content and images load but videos do not.

Edit: back to placeholder home page.

</comment></comment><comment><USER81> twitter noticed: [https://twitter.com/hashtag/youtubeisdown](https://twitter.com/hashtag/youtubeisdown)

</comment><comment><USER82> [https://googleads.g.doubleclick.net/pagead/id](https://googleads.g.doubleclick.net/pagead/id) returns a very invalid json to me, starts with: )]}'

<comment><USER83> That's just the common magic XSSI prefix for JSON.

</comment></comment><comment><USER84> Yeah I'm getting the following error:

500 Internal Server Error Sorry, something went wrong.

A team of highly trained monkeys has been dispatched to deal with this situation.

If you see them, send them this information as text (screenshots frighten them):

<huge hash text>

<comment><USER85> [https://oopsiewhoopsie.com/](https://oopsiewhoopsie.com/) (Warning loud / NSFW)

</comment></comment><comment><USER86> [https://twitter.com/TeamYouTube/status/1052373937839980544](https://twitter.com/TeamYouTube/status/1052373937839980544)

<comment><USER87> @TeamYouTube's Twitter stream now fully overloaded with "apologize" and "we a working" tweets...

Look like nobody will sleep now in YouTube HQ.

</comment></comment><comment><USER88> How many kids will be born in 9 month?

</comment><comment><USER89> There's a bunch of engineers in some conference room right now probably going "oh shit...." while slowly accepting the impending doom of a late night at work.

</comment><comment><USER90> I had a couple youtube tabs open from this morning, the videos still play and it's not cached, the videos are hours long. But any new videos aren't working.

<comment><USER91> Ya I was listening to a podcast on youtube that was over an hour and no issues until I clicked home to see something else afterwards.

</comment></comment><comment><USER92> Wow, thought my internet was just being weird. Guess not.

</comment><comment><USER93> I just went to post this - it does appear so:

[http://downrightnow.com/youtube](http://downrightnow.com/youtube)

</comment><comment><USER94> Newly accessed videos started failing. Tabs/videos with partially played videos that were paused, continued to work.

I went and made dinner.

</comment><comment><USER95> Looks like outage report itself is down too.

[https://outage.report/youtube](https://outage.report/youtube)

</comment><comment><USER96> I get an almost empty Youtube interface, Youtube Music is also down, Google play music is working a little bit slower than usual. I'm in MX.

<comment><USER97> YoutubeTV down too. Big footprint outage.

</comment></comment><comment><USER98> Any idea how much money they are going to lose?

</comment><comment><USER99> Tried to decode text as base64, but nothing interesting. Either it's not base64 or the original is in some binary format.

<comment><USER100> It's an encrypted stack trace, to allow G employees to debug reports but not allow everyone to see into their systems.

</comment></comment><comment><USER101> Yep, me too. Was just trying to figure out if it was just me and reloaded the page here to check my connection.

</comment><comment><USER102> Hmm the YouTube app on my TV timed out I just switched to Netflix didn't figure it was a global issue

</comment><comment><USER103> If YouTube can go down, I feel less bad about my crappy code derping out in production once in a while...

</comment><comment><USER104> I have tested the status of youtube to confirm if it is still down and it is T.T

[https://snippet.uilicious.com/test/public/RuGwPjbwFX1QU5EVhv...](https://snippet.uilicious.com/test/public/RuGwPjbwFX1QU5EVhvNHZu)

</comment><comment><USER105> Looks like they're up again. :) Was that like a full hour of downtime. I hope they publish a postmortem. Like others have said, for me, Youtube has always been there. It is a odd feeling to have experienced [albeit shortly] internet sans Youtube [again].

</comment><comment><USER106> It's back up judging by Google Trends [https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=now%204-H&q=yo...](https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=now%204-H&q=youtube%20down)

</comment><comment><USER107> Some specific pages are giving me internal server errors, e.g. [https://www.youtube.com/user/MLB?pbjreload=10](https://www.youtube.com/user/MLB?pbjreload=10)

<comment><USER108> How about this one? [https://www.youtube.com/user/test](https://www.youtube.com/user/test)

</comment></comment><comment><USER109> They're back online [https://twitter.com/TeamYouTube/status/1052393799815589889](https://twitter.com/TeamYouTube/status/1052393799815589889)

</comment><comment><USER110> Well I was trying to load a video on YouTube a second ago and searched worked but the video said "error tap to retry". I opened HN to verify my internet and saw this. So it's broken for some of us ;)

</comment><comment><USER111> Wow, so i was trying to watch a video on the train at 4:45pm pst and the video was all jacked and loading weird. I gave up and went on to something else... so that must have been an early symptom of the outage.

</comment><comment><USER112> This seems to be GCP related. I know the status page is all green currently... but we have a lot of services using GCP products and some are failing and showing increased latency. Pubsub failures as well.

<comment><USER113> YouTube is not built on GCP.

<comment><USER112> Why would you assume this previously known tidbit to be true for the rest of Youtube's life?

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER114> Now we all get track how our user traffic increases when YouTube is down...

</comment><comment><USER115> Google search very slow / down for me. Anyone seeing the same?

</comment><comment><USER116> I noticed this and my first thought was that my phone needed to reboot. Come on, Youtube doesn't go down... Then I went to a different site and realized it was an outage...

</comment><comment><USER117> Imagine how many pages serving content, product demos, tutorials, etc are affected by this yt outage.

Good case for hosting your own content/diversifying.

</comment><comment><USER118> Don't worry. A team of monkeys is working on it

</comment><comment><USER119> Yes.

[https://twitter.com/hashtag/youtubeisdown](https://twitter.com/hashtag/youtubeisdown)

</comment><comment><USER120> American Express is also down!

[https://www.americanexpress.com/](https://www.americanexpress.com/)

<comment><USER27> A coincidence, I am willing to bet.

</comment></comment><comment><USER121> YouTube TV is throwing errors on the "Home" page, but the "Live" page is working fine. Some app-side issue, I guess.

</comment><comment><USER122> I wonder if there's any link to the Brazilian elections, the candidates are using YouTube heavily and it's prime time there.

<comment><USER123> Bolsonaro has not taken over the world ... yet. 17

</comment></comment><comment><USER124> Still down for me. Nothing is working. Loads and then the interface seems to blank itself out. App just generates playing ID errors.

</comment><comment><USER3> It just started working for me again, in Sweden.

<comment><USER125> Same, in the US

</comment></comment><comment><USER126> Getting 503's on the Android app on my end.

</comment><comment><USER127> What a good time to learn about Peertube:

[https://joinpeertube.org](https://joinpeertube.org)

</comment><comment><USER128> [https://tv.youtube.com/](https://tv.youtube.com/) is also down

</comment><comment><USER129> I also can't access Google analytics

<comment><USER130> Works for me still.

</comment></comment><comment><USER131> Suddenly I have nothing to do at home..

<comment><USER132> Not me, I watch netflix, read HN while playing PWI and tinking with my Amiga CNet BBS running inside WinUAE.

</comment></comment><comment><USER133> Right now the front page loaded, but no video played and a refresh went back to just placeholders.

<comment><USER28> The UI is generated client-side

<comment><USER133> I meant it loaded completely, thumbnails and descriptions. It came back shortly after my comment and has responded as fast as ever since.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER134> Has YouTube published their outage postmortem?

</comment><comment><USER135> Not working here in India as well.

</comment><comment><USER136> I'm curious what happens to Netflix and Amazon Prime Video during moments like this.

</comment><comment><USER137> Down for me as well in Colombia.

<comment><USER80> Ah, Colombia. I was there about 20 years ago and it's still my favourite country by far. <3

</comment></comment><comment><USER138> Hacker News is up for me.

In all seriousness, YouTube music and videos are down for me in California.

</comment><comment><USER139> Thank god my daughter fell asleep before this happened. It'd be a long night.

</comment><comment><USER140> Getting "An error occurred. Please try again later" playback errors here

</comment><comment><USER141> It seems like the interface is working, but the actual content is failing to load.

<comment><USER142> At first, the whole interface was failing to load. There was a 500 error message and a monkey with a wrench.

<comment><USER133> Embedded videos also embed the monkey on play.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER27> Looks like it's back now.

<comment><USER143> Yep, I actually got my subscription list again and could continue the video that stopped playing when it went down.

</comment></comment><comment><USER144> Yep, down for me here in NYC

</comment><comment><USER145> Doesn't work in New York, search functionality works but no video load

</comment><comment><USER146> Direct videos are up again, but it looks like other site features are wonky

</comment><comment><USER147> Not working here in Vietnam

</comment><comment><USER148> Youtube is love...Youtube is life(or so we thought). R.I.P 2005 - 2018.

</comment><comment><USER149> thought it was just my connection ... indonesia can be like that sometimes and believe it or not i came on here to check if anyone else complaining ... seems like its true and not just my isp

</comment><comment><USER150> Here in bangladesh too... YouTube not working ... very surprising ...

</comment><comment><USER151> Probably a good time to torrent what with the intertubes unburdened.

</comment><comment><USER152> What I would give to read the postmortem and $$$ cost on this one.

</comment><comment><USER153> Unfortunate timing, right about when San Bruno leaves for the day.

</comment><comment><USER154> I wonder if this is a Vitess issue. It's pretty unusual if so.

</comment><comment><USER155> Down and out in London.

</comment><comment><USER156> Works fine for me, but I'm on a regional fiber provider.

</comment><comment><USER157> In Brazil, im middle of jungle (Amazonas) Youtube Down!!!!

</comment><comment><USER158> Yep down for me too, 500 Internal Server Error. (Montana)

</comment><comment><USER159> YouTube app does not load any videos in Romania either.

</comment><comment><USER160> And it's back!

<comment><USER161> nope.

</comment></comment><comment><USER162> Look at all that work that's going to get done now.

</comment><comment><USER163> I get a 503 network error on the mobile app from western canada right now. NewPipe will complete searches but gives a content not found error on trying to load a video.

</comment><comment><USER164> Roger that. "Invalid response received."

</comment><comment><USER165> Gmail isn't working well either.

</comment><comment><USER166> down in switzerland, phone and laptop

</comment><comment><USER167> Yeah - having some problems myself.

[https://outage.report/youtube](https://outage.report/youtube)

</comment><comment><USER168> Maybe related to the #libssl CVE ?

</comment><comment><USER169> I have YouTube TV... No TV for me.

</comment><comment><USER81> my aws-based builds just went from 5.5m to > 15m about when this started. aws issue?

<comment><USER170> Youtube is owned by Google (since 2008). Would be highly surprised if they hosted anything on aws

<comment><USER81> A company like google would never rely on just a single company like google!

/s

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER171> back up and with a new youtube music streaming service ad I haven't seen before.

</comment><comment><USER113> Any idea or guess on the cause?

</comment><comment><USER172> Yeap is down for me as well :(

</comment><comment><USER173> Yep. It's down. "pbjreload=10". Seems like an old issue related to cookies. But who knows.

</comment><comment><USER174> ...I remember where I was...

</comment><comment><USER175> Sign of the end times folks.

<comment><USER176> Frogs, Locust, Hail, and YouTube going down.

</comment></comment><comment><USER177> Cloudfare site also affected

</comment><comment><USER178> Not working in Thailand too

</comment><comment><USER179> Youtube down in Netherlands

</comment><comment><USER180> Issue with Google AMP CDN?

</comment><comment><USER181> YouTube not working for me

</comment><comment><USER182> Think of the children!

</comment><comment><USER183> Down in India as well.

</comment><comment><USER145> Still down east coast

</comment><comment><USER184> Not working in Poland

<comment><USER185> Down in New Zealand also

</comment></comment><comment><USER186> I blame Shane Dawson

</comment><comment><USER187> Same as South,Korea.

</comment><comment><USER188> probably an unhandled undefined error in the JS code.

</comment><comment><USER189> And it's back!

</comment><comment><USER189> Down in Canada too.

</comment><comment><USER190> Not working for me.

</comment><comment><USER191> major outage worldwide i'd say. im from brazil

</comment><comment><USER79> Not working in NJ

</comment><comment><USER87> All fixed now...

</comment><comment><USER166> down in switzerland, on phone and laptopn

</comment><comment><USER192> It's back!

<comment><USER193> Just checked, not for me [https://screenshots.firefox.com/xbO5zc86pso83oH8/www.youtube...](https://screenshots.firefox.com/xbO5zc86pso83oH8/www.youtube.com)

</comment></comment><comment><USER194> Up for me now!

</comment><comment><USER195> Down in boston

</comment><comment><USER196> yes, i am from Algeria North africa

</comment><comment><USER197> YouTube is back. Should be all back to normal.

</comment><comment><USER198> Facebook definitely down. Youtube still fine.

</comment><comment><USER199> just tried and its working now

</comment><comment><USER200> not working in Hungary also

</comment><comment><USER201> Down in MD

</comment><comment><USER202> Inaccessible from Europe, 3am UTC

</comment><comment><USER203> It just came back online for me.

</comment><comment><USER204> Just came back up for me...

</comment><comment><USER205> down in Los Angeles

</comment><comment><USER206> Not working in Ireland

</comment><comment><USER207> It's back up.

</comment><comment><USER208> is it black?

:)

</comment><comment><USER209> Down for me.

</comment><comment><USER210> Did Google just decided to sunset YouTube?

<comment><USER211> They probably have some similar yet slightly worse product that they've decided to introduce instead. Such is the life of a google app.

<comment><USER212> We shall call it, Google Video.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER36> We should all develop a song to remember and never forget this day.

<comment><USER213> A long long time ago, I can still remember how those videos used to make me smile... (Take it)

<comment><USER214> And I knew if I had my pick, that I could make those people click, and maybe they'd be happy for a while

<comment><USER215> subscribers want me to deliver another video with facts and figures

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER67> "Where were you when YouTube died."

<comment><USER216> "On HN, of course."

<comment><USER217> "And why were you not offline?" (continuing song lyrics i think we're making)

<comment><USER216> We should set it to "American Pie" and make sure to start off mentioning how we were all still mourning the loss of Paul Allen when _this_ happened.

<comment><USER217> Let's make sure to make this the next stanza ;)

<comment><USER216> _Where were you when YouTube died?

On HN, of course.

Putting off dealing with my divorce.

And wishing Paul Allen were still alive._

<comment><USER217> I think it goes more like

Where were you when YouTube died

On HN of course

and why were you not offline

putting off dealing with my divorce

I wish paul allen was still alive

..?

(has more of a feel to it, alternating rhymes.)

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER218> Just add "disable_polymer=1" to every URL

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJQP7kiw5Fk&disable_polymer=...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJQP7kiw5Fk&disable_polymer=1)

yw

<comment><USER217> I use a TamperMonkey script that does that for me, still down.

</comment></comment><comment><USER219> Looks like it.

</comment><comment><USER220> New NSA/google patch gone wrong?

</comment><comment><USER221> Devastating for streamers. Google must compensate

<comment><USER222> Sure, Google should give all streamers a 500% refund on their YouTube fees, which comes to, let me see, zero dollars.

<comment><USER221> i picked a bad day to quit facebook live

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER223> I get a mostly empty page with a lot of pro-SJW stuff, which is the opposite of what I normally get. Not enough Clapton.</comment>


Less interruptions for developers with offline hours - <AUTHOR> http://www.git-tower.com/blog/increase-productivity-with-offline-hours/

<comment><USER2> Not all interruptions are created equal though. There are cases when interruptions should be tolerated. If someone is working on a problem (a tester, a support engineer, or another developer), and has a question I know the answer to off the top of my head, I'm fine with being interrupted.

Sure, my productivity takes a hit, but we should optimize for the company's productivity, not only my productivity. If one (or several) other people in the company would be stalled, it's better to ask me and get the answer in one minute, than to wait for an hour or two, or to dig around for an answer in the code or in the documentation.

From my blog post "Programmer Productivity – Interruptions, Meetings and Working Remotely" [http://henrikwarne.com/2013/04/02/programmer-productivity- in...](http://henrikwarne.com/2013/04/02/programmer-productivity- interruptions-meetings-and-working-remotely/)

</comment><comment><USER3> Sometimes I would really like to turn my internet connection off to get things done, but as a web developer it's quite impossible.

A few weeks ago I had no internet at home. It was great. Not having the possibility and not using it are two different pair of shoes.

</comment><comment><USER4> Fewer interruptions

</comment><comment><USER5> I agree with henrik_w below. Experienced/Senior engineers lose a lot of their potency if they go dark during office hours. It is a criminal waste to let developers lurch around trying to solve a known problem. Managing distractions is a major part of growing as an engineer.

I don't encourage people pinging me for trivial stuff that they can find by themselves though. First few times I go with documentation links / google links, escalate to lmgtfy and finally I give direct feedback.

</comment><comment><USER6> If you work from home, you can replicate this by unplugging your wi-fi router. Freedom software works too, but I find the physical disconnecting helps make it real.

I get a lot of writing done this way, and there's no need to rely on willpower to avoid checking the internet.

Caveat: If other internet addicted people will be in your house while you work, they will not appreciate this solution....

<comment><USER7> When you're a web developer sometimes this is a little bit hard. However unplugging your wifi-router could work great when trying a new framework or something, when you don't have to commit changes and stuff, just test something new.

</comment></comment><comment><USER8> I found the linked-to "study" (not sure why scare quotes were used) to be more in-depth: [http://blog.ninlabs.com/2013/01/programmer- interrupted/](http://blog.ninlabs.com/2013/01/programmer-interrupted/)

</comment><comment><USER9> FTA "Mornings are for quiet, uninterrupted, and focused work. No emails, no chat, no calls until lunch break." I would agree with that. But how do I solve my addiction to chat? I feel naked when I go offline...

<comment><USER10> It's definitely not easy. And you'll fall back into old, bad habits from time to time. But going through with it as completely as possible can really make a difference for you productivity.

<comment><USER9> Ok, I will give it a go. The distractions from Chat are huge when coding. But I just have to look if I see a new chat pop up. So the only option is to bite the bullet and turn it off I suppose.</comment></comment></comment>


Ask YC: Minneapolis startups? Or, non-"startup hub" startups? - <AUTHOR>

Does anyone know of (or is involved in) startups in Minneapolis/St. Paul? I'm interested to hear how that's working.
Or, any startup that is not in a more well-known "startup hub", for that matter. <comment><USER2> I am located in Minneapolis and co-founded a startup in 2001 that was acquired in 2004. We had a less traditional funding route -- a single private investor / angel who helped get everything going. We pulled most of our engineering talent from a local college and I used connections with a past professor to cherry pick the best of a couple of soon to be graduating classes.

I'm still living in Minneapolis, but having since worked with a number of people in the Bay area and having traveled there frequently, I can say that the environment does seem quite a bit different.

There are a lot of advantages to being in a "startup hub"... More talent that's easier to find, more people to bounce ideas off of, more access to traditional and non-traditional funding sources, etc.

One advantage to starting out in Minneapolis that we found was that salaries for our first employees were significantly cheaper than what we've heard from friends in the Bay area. In addition, the work ethic here is quite high -- it seems easy to find committed, dedicated employees.

Here's a recent article about Minneapolis being rated the top metro center for business (in general, not startups or technology specific).

[http://news.morningstar.com/news/ViewNews.asp?article=/DJ/20...](http://news.morningstar.com/news/ViewNews.asp?article=/DJ/200709211031DOWJONESDJONLINE000534_univ.xml&t1=1191628462)

Here's a startup that I recently found out is in the Minneapolis area -- <http://www.yugma.com/> \-- I'm at times surprised to learn of all the startups that are more or less under the radar here.

If you have the engineering talent and the funding sources, I think you can absolutely get started in a non-"startup hub". Having said that, there are definite advantages to being in a startup hub.

</comment><comment><USER3> Well I think that one of the problems is that there just isn't enough information and coverage out there.

I just launched it but I'm gonna start using <http://GeekHeartland.com> to cover technology and entrepreneurial activity thats happening away from the hubs on the coasts.

It rose out of the geek.windylabs.com and www.chicagobeta.com

Soon it will have news coverage along with geek guides to a lot of the non-hub startup areas.

I encourage everyone to subscribe to the feed and keep checking back. Its about time startups in "flyover country" got more press.

</comment><comment><USER4> There is growing startup interest in Minneapolis. There is a group of folks (10 or 15 I believe) that are meeting bi-weekly to talk shop. Some have started, others starting. Take a look at the following links.

I hope the trend continues, I think Minneapolis has a lot to offer alpha geeks and entrepreneurs.

<http://barcamp.org/MinneDemo> <http://groups.google.com/group/startupcamp>

</comment><comment><USER5> I don't know if Washington DC is a startup hub (it generally doesn't feel like it). Even though we're close to northern VA, we just don't get the same vibe of internet culture. It took the community quite a long time to host a Barcamp here. My complaints have been: It's tough because it's sometimes lonely because we can't share that experience with many others because there just aren't as many web startups. 1) East Coast is oddly dominated by families with control over media empires. So talking about equity is just weird with them because they don't want to give any up (no matter how much their website looks like Geocities). 2) I hate having to explain the "long tail" over and over when I'm trying to explain a wholly different concept. The buzz takes time to reach the East. 3) Although accessibility to capital is generally based on good referrals, it's more difficult in the East because those circles are much tighter. 4) We heard from a good advisor that just being in the Silicon Valley will always improve your chances of success, but we moved out to DC because we're working in the "political sphere." I don't have any reference for comparison, so I don't exactly know what to say about that. 5) That said, since we spend a lot of time inside programming, it probably isn't as different if we were somewhere else. I think as a result of the internet, you can still make quite an impact, but closing a business deal is so much easier when it's in person.

</comment><comment><USER3> Also, if you have an inland startup (the midwest, the great lakes, texas, colorado, elsewhere...) that you'd like me to cover, send me a note through the contact form on <http://GeekHeartland.com>.

I have some free advertising slots for early stage companies as well if anyone is interested.

</comment><comment><USER6> I worked for a startup in Minneapolis. They are quite different than at the hubs. There's not as much support as you'd get out on the West Coast.

Also the talent pool isn't as easy to tap into here. There are quality developers but its hard to find em.

<comment><USER4> need a ruby hacker? :)

<comment><USER3> where are you located?

<comment><USER4> Minneapolis. feel free to contact me

damon at damonallison dot com

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER7> I am located in Milwaukee, WI

you can meet all of our alpha geeks at <http://barcampMilwaukee.com> which is happening on october 12th-14th

We are a sponsor of it with <http://socialhelix.com>

and I know a few people in the st.paul area that i meet at the last minnebar, and minnedemo that i attended.

out of the ones i remember, a few were web2, one was into music social publishing, another was a startup within the local newspaper "vitamin," and then there were a lot of ruby shops up there.

</comment><comment><USER8> I'm in mid-stage development for a startup in Atlanta.

It is not going well. There aren't many people here that are available, willing, and smart. I'm finding that the biggest advantage to the "startup hubs" is that there are more people nearby with a similar mentality. Be it employees, cofounders or investors. In Atlanta, there's hardly anybody whose brain is wired the same way mine is.

The solution for me is to move out to the west coast as soon as possible. Unfortunately, I don't think I'll be able to make it out there for at least another year.

<comment><USER9> Are you participating in any of the local groups? I know the Ruby and Python groups are well attended, and the web entrepreneurs group gets good marks. There's also Barcamp and Startup Weekend coming up soon.

<comment><USER8> I didn't find out about either Barcamp or Startup Weekend before they were sold out.

I go to the Atlanta Ruby User's Group meetings and AtlHack (<http://www.atlhack.org/>).

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER10> I live in St. Paul (just to the east of Minneapolis, for you non-Minnesotans). I love the area, but it really is a harder environment for a startup. My buddy and I had a fun startup back in 1996. We had an OK run for about a year, but we just felt like we were living on a deserted island.

I'm married now with three kids, and if I were to start something again, I would _still_ seriously consider relocating to Boston or San Francisco.

</comment><comment><USER11> chicago's kicking. but we're b2b.</comment>


Law firm mistakes number of days in month, files appeal 1 day after deadline - <AUTHOR> https://twitter.com/KoernerMatt/status/1187516489676410881 <comment><USER2> Off by one errors and issues working with dates. Sounds like writing software to me.

</comment><comment><USER3> IIRC a Ronco YC talk where he declared "procrastination is the devil".

Except for unusual circumstances, waiting until the last day on a legal matter is unprofessional. I feel like I am misunderstanding this post.

<comment><USER4> Sometimes it is legal tactics... Some court cases are cheaper than the money you are earning before the result of the court case ends your business...

<comment><USER5> Yeah, it's usually not procrastination when it comes to legal deadlines. It is very common in many practices to purposely file on the deadline for a variety of reasons. Ripe for mistakes.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER6> This sounds like something I might do. I am sure I am a special kind of 'date dyslexic'. I have very little concept of when things are happening. I refuse to discuss dates without my diary in front of me, because I have no concept of whether the date they gave me is weeks away or months away. If you told me now that I had to get something done by mid-November, that feels like an age away, the fact that I am on holiday for the next week wouldn't cross my mind either. I recently got undone by a calendar which had Sunday at the start of the week, visually speaking...unlike my normal Outlook calendar. It gives me a lot of anxiety, because I have some things I have to do (like authorising payroll, or filing tax returns) on certain days.

Is this a real condition, or am I just disorganised?

<comment><USER7> > I recently got undone by a calendar which had Sunday at the start of the > week,

This used to be quite common. It seems to have fallen out of favour in the last 30 or 40 years.

<comment><USER8> European calendars are typically Mon-Sun, UK/AUS/US/CA etc typically Sun-Sat. Just as the more-common-in-Europe 24 hour times have been seeping into UK for decades, perhaps you're seeing the Mon-Sun calendar doing the same thing?

<comment><USER9> UK is most definitely Mon-Sun

<comment><USER8> It is now, but that was the phenomenon I was responding to. When I was a kid in the 60s it was most clearly sun-sat

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER10> I am sure this happens with lawyers routinely. Usually a deadline will be expressed in number of days from some event, like "90 days from the date of agreement" or something. If it is an important deadline, do not trust your lawyer to do this day count correctly. Ensure all of the assumptions are correct (date and time of events, whether it is business days or calendar days, etc) and triple check the day counts on a calendar yourself.

</comment><comment><USER11> Yeah, I've had the court skip right over my time to respond, with the judge ruling in favor of his previous employer.

I have absolutely no faith left in the courts.

</comment><comment><USER12> I'm not a lawyer so I don't understand why you would file it on the last day anyway. If you're appealing wouldn't you want to file just as soon as you're ready? Filing at the last minute doesn't give a bad impression to everyone involved and in doing so harm your case?

<comment><USER13> > If you're appealing wouldn't you want to file just as soon as you're ready?

No, because everything starts a timeline for the next thing, and the way you get the most time for the next thing (which you might need as much as you can get) is to do everything possible without penalty to do the current thing as late as possible. Just because you are ready for the current thing doesn't mean you want to sacrifice time on the next thing.

There's also interest in not giving your opponent information earlier than necessary in their cycle for things whose timing isn't keyed off your filing.

<comment><USER14> This all sounds needlessly adversarial. Maybe the new deadline should be based on the old deadline, rather than the new filing date that's subject to the old deadline.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER15> Reading the other comments, it seems that this is a somewhat standard practice to file at the last possible moment? If so, could there be a possible opportunity here for a software that files right before deadline making sure that mistakes like above do not occur?

<comment><USER16> Unless your software can walk itself down to the courthouse, probably not. Courts are, to be generous, a bit behind the times.

<comment><USER17> Many courts have allowed parties to file documents by email for years and federal courts have their own e-filing docket that (some federal district) courts mandate.

<comment><USER18> Many is not all.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER19> Was there a reason to wait until what they thought was the last day?

<comment><USER20> Maybe opportunity cost? Other deadlines looming closer? Giv8ng less time to the counterparty to counter-sue? Who knows?

</comment></comment><comment><USER21> I know I'm guilty of waiting until the last minute myself -- but could they not file earlier? Why schedule the filing at the last possible moment, why not even a day earlier?

<comment><USER22> Typically when you file anything that is going to trigger a new set of due dates for you based on the date of filing, so it is standard practice to file everything the day it is due, or perhaps the day before at most. That being said it is also standard practice to use docketing software to handle calculating due dates, it isn't the sort of thing you would ever want to handle manually so I wonder how the screw up occurred.

</comment></comment><comment><USER23> Any US lawyers know whether the attempted-appellant has a cause of action against his lawyers for professional negligence here?

<comment><USER17> Yes, they do.

The lawyers can also look forward to a bar association malpractice investigation, though unless this is part of a pattern, the likely disciplinary action will be relatively mild (i.e., no suspension or disbarment).

</comment></comment><comment><USER24> Why not state the deadline as a date rather than a number of days?

</comment><comment><USER25> This is why I always file the day before the deadline.</comment>


Quora and Stack Overflow: two very different experiences - <AUTHOR> http://jeremiahlee.tumblr.com/post/70994751181/i-did-an-experiment-on-the-behavior-of-two-online

<comment><USER2> The overall ethos of rigidity at stackoverflow has gotten out of control.

On the one hand if I want to make a one character edit because some code snippet is broken in a non obvious way that will frustrate the next hundred people, I am told to add six. If I add six, say a comment on the edited code, I am very very likely to be rolled back. Good luck making diligence work for you in that scenario.

On the other hand, if I ask a question about a specific, mildly arcane manipulation of a data structure in python and I ask it in ordinary language that will probably make for good googling... But the answer, not the question already exists, I get voted to close. I.e., why didn't I already know the answer so I would know the correct terms to google when I googled my question five ways before asking?

Overall, it has become a more and more frustrating experience to participate in over last few years. Still a valuable thing to have exist, but I do not relish the moment when it occurs to me that an SO question might be the most expedient solution.

<comment><USER3> Having a question closed as a duplicate isn't something that should be taken personally.

You're not expected to have an encyclopedic knowledge of the StackOverflow answers. But some people do. And the goal of SO is not _just_ to answer your question but to provide a useful resource for others. Having multiple questions that differ slightly and have the same answer provides a very high signal to noise ratio, so your question was closed.

If your question wasn't actually a duplicate, or provided significant differentiation from the one that it (supposedly) duplicated then it does sound like your question should have stuck around.

But otherwise, this is the right kind of housekeeping that keeps the site from turning into Yahoo Answers. It's really a win-win: you got your question answered and the corpus of the site did not grow.

<comment><USER2> The questions were pretty radically different. The other question just happened to contain the answer to mine. So mine provides a valuable link for people asking the question I was asking while needing the answer to that other previously ungoogleable-by-the-terms-of-my-question question.

Basically, if you weren't thinking of my question in terms of "recursion" you could not find the existing answer.

The new answers also provided specific-to-my-question details.

It's not about personal. To me it's about making the site more searchable, navigable and complete.

Edit: Reply to child post: I also skew towards answering (about 4 to 1). But on the rare occasion when I can't find an answer and ask a question, I always get this treatment. The presumption is always against the asker. And this has made me less likely to answer questions (this being resentment).

<comment><USER3> Understandable. I've seen a lot of complaints about SO lately (and indeed they've changed some things in an effort to address some of these issues), but I haven't seen much of this first hand.

However I tend to be on the answering side of questions rather than the asking side. I appreciate your further explanation as I try not to propagate these sorts of complaints.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER4> Whenever I stumble across a Quora question, the website hides everything with a subscription overlay. Even after getting rid of it, I'm only shown the first answer. After some time, my mind has associated Quora with "I don't want to be there". Stack Overflow (SO) gained a lot of popularity by having open access; that's basically the Foot-in-the-door (FITD) technique.

On the other hand, I have witnessed that up-only websites usually have a better content (e.g. HN) than up-or-down websites (e.g. Reddit). This is easily understood because people will tend to use the down vote against things they do not agree (politics, to obvious of a question, etc) with instead of badly-shapped posts.

I think the way SO goes is pretty good despite the known flaws, and I would not be competent enough to propose solutions for these.

Edit: removed incorrect expression "out of random"

<comment><USER5> HN is not up-only for anyone over 500 (?) karma.

The downvote button should be used early and often.

Downvotes are not used enough on HN. Upvotes are used in a weird way.

<comment><USER4> Yes, I did not consider that. But I think the fact that recent account can only upvote is a good thing for the quality of comments. I agree that downvotes can be meaningful, but they are often used to vote against an opinion, which is not good for a conversation.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER6> To play devils advocate for a bit: Perhaps it was a "basic" question, but it's also pretty terse. More importantly, you have not given me any _reason why_ I should want to help you.

You don't provide any information about what you are trying to do, what problem you are trying to solve, attempts that you have made to solve your own problem. You tell me no story, nor prove that you are a "peer" \-- someone who has put the same effort into that craft as a potential person who may have the answer will have.

Ultimately you haven't answered the "What have you tried?" question. [http://mattgemmell.com/what-have-you-tried/](http://mattgemmell.com/what- have-you-tried/)

You are asking someone to _help_ you; a little more humility couldn't hurt. I don't get _paid_ to help you solve your problem -- other than worthless internet points -- so just give me a reason to _want_ to help you solve your problem. I want to help, but not if you are going to be a jerk.

</comment><comment><USER7> Since I've been using native Javascript, StackOverflow has become a pointless visit for this very reason.

The comment or answer to any Javascript question seems to be essentially 'use jQuery' (and sometimes just that alone).

This is never the answer that I am looking for, so I always look elsewhere.

<comment><USER8> I hate this so much too. StackOverflow needs a "no jquery" filter.

</comment></comment><comment><USER9> Great experiment! As have been stated time and time again the stack* sites have a set of rules.

This post touches into why the rules are enforced in what I think is a less than stellar way.

Now if I could get myself to use quora again after them burning all goodwill and trust a while ago.

<comment><USER10> All rules cost you. All of them. Even the ones you need.

</comment></comment><comment><USER11> Stack Overflow appears to be starting to suffer from Wikipedia editor syndrome. All is well until a few people suddenly realise they have a bit of power and instead of using it for good, decide to just yield it just because they can, putting more effort into fiercely enforcing minor rules to push their own agenda, rather than providing useful content. Yes rules are important, but some battles are more important than others.

<comment><USER4> The point is that these people think that they are doing something good. However, they do not realize that they are in a context where contribution is done on voluntary participation and that they are making contributors flee. They still think as if their website was some kind of closed circle where people want to belong.

</comment></comment><comment><USER12> Quora is more focused towards open questions, I don't think a technical specific question is common there.

Also, keeping things behind a curtain is very debatable.

It is unfortunate that janitorial tasks are being rewarded _disproportionately_ in SO, looks like they're headed the Wikipedia way of a closed editorial group.

<comment><USER13> I was answering very specific technical questions on Quora for awhile, so it's actually okay for that purpose.

I stopped answering questions because the questions never got beyond stuff that you should be able to google in five minutes.

<comment><USER12> "I stopped answering questions because the questions never got beyond stuff that you should be able to google in five minutes."

Yes, there's that as well.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> How much reputation do you get for janitorial work on SO? I was under the impression that it wasn't much, especially compared to actual answers.

I tend to agree that the moderation has got a bit vigorous.

</comment><comment><USER14> I've been using stackoverflow for over 4 years. I have asked hundreds of questions. Over those years, it has become virtually impossible to ask questions because it "does not fit the guidelines".

I've grown so frustrated by the negative experience, I have visited that site less and less and my engagement has fallen off.

I've complained about this issue for years ago on meta.stackexchange, that new users will experience negativity from the cynical comments if not the discouragement from the censorship (downvoting and closing the question) regarding the context of the question being asked, and that the mods are taking the questions literally as it is written without the human compassion of trying to understand. As if on cue, the question was downvoted to damnation and I found myself fighting a flame war with angry set of engineers and was eventually blocked from adding to the discussion as if some verdict has been drawn. It didn't help that lower reputation members agreed with what I was saying, because your reputation on SO is measured by how many accepted questions you can show to your potential employer (btw many employers seem to dislike finding leads on careers.stackoverflow.com for some reasons).

the chat at stackoverflow is even worse. I don't know if it's the "brogrammers" slacking off at work or just university kids trolling, lot of the starred comments in the chat are vulgar. Even the high reputation members seem no different at times.

Honestly, I think that stackoverflow has shot itself in it's own foot. It's feeling less like a community and more like a system of cold engineers ready to rip a newcomer's question apart or how well they can emulate a computer.

I don't like Quora because I dislike the fact that you have to be logged in to view more of the answer or other stuff.

I've sought refuge in Ask HN because so far, no "but this is not efficient obviously OP doesn't know what he's doing" type of comments often seen on stackoverflow, stackexchange sites.

Everytime I ask a question on stackoverflow I feel like I'm walking across a minefield and I've been a member for over 4 years.

<comment><USER2> As someone who helps recruit developers for my company and has input on hiring decisions, I would find a high SO rank (say 10k plus) to be a cause for skepticism at this point. Certainly not a disqualifier, but not at all a positive mark as I'm sure the SO gamers imagine it to be.</comment></comment>


California Governor Gavin Newsom Signs AB5 into Law - <AUTHOR> https://twitter.com/CAgovernor/status/1174387981819367424 <comment><USER2> The bill itself: [https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtm...](https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201920200AB5)

Wikipedia: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Assembly_Bill_5_(20...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Assembly_Bill_5_\(2019\))

TL;DR: turns Lyft and Uber drivers from independent contractors to classified employees</comment>


Ask HN: Alternatives to Bill.com - <AUTHOR> I would love to see a startup sincerely own the logistics of bookkeeping. I would love to know some alternatives since my googling is not showing any decent contenders. <comment><USER2> I'm guessing you are located in the US as that's the only country Bill.com serves.

The startup I work for ([https://rooks.co](https://rooks.co)) operates in Canada and as Bill.com is not available to our Canadian clients, we use Plooto, which is a pretty decent competitor to Bill.com.

We haven't had any issues with Bill.com either though - may I ask why you're looking for a Bill.com alternative?</comment>


Don't Eject Your Create React App - <AUTHOR> https://medium.com/curated-by-versett/dont-eject-your-create-react-app-b123c5247741 <comment><USER2> What I got when I followed the link

[http://imgur.com/3gcROaQ](http://imgur.com/3gcROaQ)

Medium is shockingly bad. I see absolutely no value in this service any more.

<comment><USER3> I have reader mode permanently enabled for medium.com for Safari on iOS, and on Chrome for MacOS I have Ublock Origin rules to heavily filter out elements on the page.

</comment></comment><comment><USER4> I just wish CRA would give me a hook to touch the webpack configs. I'm willing to bite the pain of needing to rewrite my custom configs if they move to something else.

Simple example: with webpack it's trivial to configure it to load env-specific extensions. You can have foo.js, foo.dev.js, and foo.mock.js and it will import the correct one automatically based on an env variable. It's three lines of code that I use in all my React projects and it's honestly enough to keep me away from CRA.

<comment><AUTHOR> The article covers the use-case of making small modifications to the build. react-app-rewired[1] and customize-cra[2] give you access to tweak the webpack build indirectly. While babel-macros[3] in CRA 2.X give you access to the babel transpilation step without having to eject. While it's not exactly what you're referring to, it does get you a little bit closer to the build.

[1] [https://github.com/timarney/react-app- rewired/](https://github.com/timarney/react-app-rewired/)

[2] [https://github.com/arackaf/customize- cra](https://github.com/arackaf/customize-cra)

[3] [https://babeljs.io/blog/2017/09/11/zero-config-with-babel- ma...](https://babeljs.io/blog/2017/09/11/zero-config-with-babel-macros)

</comment></comment><comment><USER5> Agreed. It's becoming harder and harder to justify managing your own React pipeline, even in the rare cases where something might be missing that I want included.

</comment><comment><USER6> Don't even use create react app

<comment><USER7> [https://www.npmjs.com/package/dont-create-react- app](https://www.npmjs.com/package/dont-create-react-app)

</comment></comment><comment><USER8> Can someone explain what ejection is? I'm not familiar with this terminology. How is it different from say, editing your package.json or webpack.mix.js files?

<comment><USER9> reace-create-app has predefined configs in packages which you can't edit unless you eject them (copy to your own project and update the links) but you won't get updates anymore.

</comment></comment><comment><USER10> It really blows my mind that the latest, greatest technology is so difficult to work with it requires a meta-tool manage the process.

<comment><USER4> CRA actually has almost nothing to do with React and a whole lot to do with other tools (Babel, ES6, Webpack, Jest). You don't need most of them to build a React application, it's mostly about developer experience and the surrounding ecosystem.

FWIW Angular does the same thing with Angular-CLI. The "problem" is the web dev ecosystem, not React itself.</comment></comment>


HTML5 3D demos - <AUTHOR> http://mrdoob.com/ <comment><USER2> After seeing the things people have done with software-rendered 2D canvas I'm convinced that once WebGL gives every web developer access to hardware- accelerated 2D/3D we're going to see an explosion of innovation on the Web to rival the one unleashed by XMLHttpRequest.

</comment><comment><USER3> Apple also released a few demos for html5 a while back, you will have to use safari though.

Quake 2 was ported to html5 sometime back. You should have a full html5 compatible browser to run it <http://code.google.com/p/quake2-gwt-port/>

</comment><comment><USER4> Great gallery.

Just about to think HTML5 is awesome, then I did a right click

<http://mrdoob.com/64/PV3D_20_Refraction>

<comment><USER5> Yeah, some of them are Flash but not all. Check this one out: <http://mrdoob.com/97/Depth_of_Field_HTML5>

Mr. Doob has serious chops.

<comment><USER6> The first one (Voxels) uses three.js: <https://github.com/mrdoob/three.js>

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER7> I was strangely thrilled to see that you can place blocks way outside the floor grid.

<http://imgur.com/5bsXJ.png>

</comment><comment><USER8> The 3D voxels one is fun. I'll see if this long url from the share feature works on HN.

[http://mrdoob.com/projects/voxels/#A/adfShShYhYhSfSfYffhhilY...](http://mrdoob.com/projects/voxels/#A/adfShShYhYhSfSfYffhhilYfYfSfSfYhYhShffhhjUhUhWeeUhUhcheUhUheeeiUhUhdieYSfYeSfVhlShYiShfehebShYiShdehlYhYhSfSfYfafhSffihibYfYfaifSfYfYfShYh)

Edit: it worked. Yay!

</comment><comment><USER9> Never since flash have I seen something waste so much CPU for so little payoff.

<comment><USER10> Maybe it depends on your browser. I'm on Linux and a Chrome 9.x nightly, and it runs like a dream.

This is very exciting (albeit obvious and long overdue) stuff, IMO.

</comment></comment><comment><USER11> anyone else think HTML5 minecraft?

<comment><USER12> I think there is a webgl based minecraft clone somewhere. Seen it the other day.

<comment><USER13> <https://github.com/ithkuil/MC-Chunk-Loader>

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER14> I just tried it out on Android (Nexus One), the first page is displayed perfectly, but sadly you can't interact with it.

</comment><comment><USER15> Really choppy on Fx4b7, Linux x86_64, nvidia blob and GTX 285, C2D E6600.

</comment><comment><USER16> Works great on Webkit(nightly, mac) without flash, except that shift-click doesn't delete.

</comment><comment><USER17> It's very slow and clunky. Surely rendering voxels can be quicker than this.

<comment><USER18> Works fine on my old mac mini under firefox.

EDIT: under chrome I can't even tell it's not native.

</comment></comment><comment><USER19> Awesome gallery!</comment>