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Notre Dame linebacker Manti Te'o admitted to Katie Couric that he lied in two interviews after learning his supposed dead girlfriend, Lennay Kekua, was not real.
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January 22, 2008, 4:55 pm, Tue Jan 22 16:55:11 UTC 2008 #37FFJ Senior Member
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What are your thoughts on this video Driver posted? I'll need to backtrack
and read more on this case. The fellow in the video sounded quite genuine to me, but not according to KK. This video got my attention. I want to know more.elle: The RST can't handle the truth!
Just my opinion.
January 22, 2008, 4:58 pm, Tue Jan 22 16:58:00 UTC 2008 #38Originally Posted by Elle_1
The quote is "How this rings true to us, we both went through this at 18 years old, the exact same situation. That's why this is so unreal because [snap snap snap] we both lived it, we both lived the exact same thing." I took that to mean THEY were 18, but what they say is clear as mud, so who knows?
No, I have not followed the Holloway case that closely, Elle, though I have followed it somewhat. I'm just looking at the demeanor, body language, and actual information these people are communicating. I haven't finished yet, keep getting interrupted, plus I am sort of doing a running commentary as I watch, so maybe I'll eat crow if they actually give ONE NAME or ONE PIECE OF CORROBORATING EVIDENCE that they're more than SPECULATING based on GOSSIP and SUSPICIONS. (My, why does THAT sound so familiar?)
Still listening....
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"University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
January 22, 2008, 5:02 pm, Tue Jan 22 17:02:47 UTC 2008 #39FFJ Senior Member
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Thanks KK. I'll need to read more about it, but that video sure got my attention. I see Cherokee believes them too.
He must have got a copy of the private plane flight Beth Holloway was on, proving her time was wrong by four hours. That's quite a difference.elle: The RST can't handle the truth!
Just my opinion.
January 22, 2008, 5:40 pm, Tue Jan 22 17:40:54 UTC 2008 #40Originally Posted by Elle_1
This couple might have gotten a hold of a lot of things...they say they have it ALL. But until WE SEE IT ourselves, I'm not going to jump to "HE HAS PROOF!" CONCLUSIONS. Been there, didn't do it then, won't do it now.
Maybe he shows it. Still watching....
"University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
January 22, 2008, 6:05 pm, Tue Jan 22 18:05:16 UTC 2008 #41FFJ Senior Member
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Thanks KK. Appreciate it. Will also keep watching.elle: The RST can't handle the truth!
Just my opinion.
January 22, 2008, 6:17 pm, Tue Jan 22 18:17:09 UTC 2008 #42
Note: One named "source" this guy quotes is...Ta da!...Joran...who said "Natalie said Beth was a Hitler-like mom." We all heard that one. Somehow, I don't consider Joran a credible source without CORROBORATION IN THE FORM OF EVIDENCE.
Some kind of BS about an "ORGINAL" poster Beth made before she went to Aruba asking...someone--Natalie? Witnesses:...to call her...ALLEGEDLY. But it's a COVER UP because Beth and Julia Renfro then made a KIDNAP poster in Aruba. Wow. That's soooooooo...NOT MUCH, IF true.
Ah. Other names: "Julia Renfro KNOWS stuff." Was that the Aruban news reporter who fell out with Beth eventually? Sorry, I'll have to get out the old mag article on this unless someone else remembers.
Miriam Ann Smith, Natalie's friend,"...KNOWS STUFF!" Also a "Manard". So many in the states know...allegedly...but they're not talking for some reason.
The guy is asked to produce SOME DOCUMENT...and the guy says "YEAH, but I'm NOT GOING TO GIVE IT," then he reads from SOME PIECE OF PAPER HE'S HOLDING LIKE IT'S THE HOLY GRAIL, what he CLAIMS is an immigration document with info entered into a computer "when you get off the plane...no way to screw it up." The info, he SAYS: Beth's SS#, she was staying at the Holiday Inn, reason for being here--vacation, what time Beth got there--7:45. "NOT ELEVEN O'CLOCK! NOT ELEVEN O'CLOCK!" (Smoking gun!) Good god, I'm going to puke. Deja vu all over again....
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"University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
January 22, 2008, 6:45 pm, Tue Jan 22 18:45:18 UTC 2008 #43
Out and out spinning for the POOR VAN DER SLOOTS, so far.
HUGE smirk like the guy has revealed the Kennedy assassination conspiracy because he got a copy of a computer read out that proves BETH got to Aruba 4 hours before she said she did. Since we haven't seen that print out, just had this guy reading from a piece of paper...it's still NOT PROOF OF ANYTHING. Even if that's correct, what does it prove? Beth has given a different timeline FOR HER ARRIVAL. Maybe she has a simple explanation. It's absurd to consider this is some kind of EVIDENCE that Beth is in on a conspiracy to cover up that Natalie was PREGNANT from Jugs, hid herself from Beth, and then DIED partying with her NEW BUDDIES. This is really creepy.
More: Local people know? "SO MANY PEOPLE KNOW, THIS PERSON KNOWS, THAT PERSON KNOWS" and "...they're so...we...Edwards over there...Minister this and that we told a year ago...shook their heads...blahblahblah...." [Damn! I knew I shoulda' ordered that "Illiterate Speaker Decoder Ring" from that cereal box last month!] "One of them that knows that Natalie was alive...is...still in prison right now that had went after the fact, there is other people [on it?] that knows from that area down there that she was alive weeks later, but it's like who's going to want to say anything?" Whew. I can't type as fast as this man talks. SPINNING 2000 words a minute--few of them connected to any complete thought.
"Dolphie Richardson" (prosecutor? official?) is named by this couple, also "Minister Brieson's asst." (sp?), as having MET with them, and "...[important officials] were surprised how it was handled at the police dept." The couple will VOUCH for this minister's asst. and Richardson, etc. (hahahaha Nice switcheroo: who's vouching for YOU, Dry Mouth?) BELIEVE THIS GUY WHEN HE REVEALS NATALIE DIED PARTYING WITH HER BENEFACTORS, says he.
The reporters are quite good, BTW. Asked why the people who had Natalie didn't bring Natalie's body in for the substantial reward and such, Dawg Wannabe said they were SCARED as she had OVERDOSED PARTYING with them and because of what happened to Joran. Back to trashing Beth as Hitler mom. Asked how these run-away Natalie benefactors hid the body, Faux Dawg NOW says anybody can do anything (oops--except JORAN, of course).
And they're off on ANOTHER story about a total stranger being pulled out of a "store"? Who was CONNECTED TO A MURDER which was committed BECAUSE OF KNOWLEDGE THAT NATALIE WAS ALIVE? Sorry, BULLCHIT.
I am sorry, but let's pause: These generous protectors of Natalie on the run, prison TYPES with STREET NAMES, were so KIND as to help NATALIE escape her NAZI MOM BETH AND MOLESTER JUGS, and even THREW IN ENOUGH DRUGS TO KILL PREGNANT PARTY ANIMAL NATALIE, THEY WERE SO GENEROUS. But then they didn't even bother to simply hire a lawyer to negotiate for them and make a DEAL for the body and collect the reward, WITH IMPUNITY? Giving Natalie's parents some peace, getting the "suspects" and Aruba off the hook? And NOT ONE PERSON who happened to KNOW ANY of this had happened to Natalie, maybe not involved but having heard the talk about it or seen Natalie, etc., wants to collect that HUGE REWARD by turning in the info? I mean...NO CRIME WAS COMMITTED, according to these clowns. The autopsy would confirm that.
And...if this brain trust is SOOOOOOOO brilliant, just why does he not QUESTION the ALLEGED story HE IS CLAIMING HE HAS FOUND OUT (but wasn't THERE, I'm guessing) that NATALIE DIED PARTYING BY ACCIDENT, if she was in fact WITH CRIMINAL TYPES WITH STREET NAMES WHO MURDERED SOMEONE ELSE BRUTALLY to cover up this entire ACCIDENT?
HAHAHAHAHAHA I swear, I AM SORRY, but this is about as credible as Nancy Krebs.
But I haven't finished yet...maybe I'm ALL WRONG.... Still watching....
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"University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
January 22, 2008, 8:16 pm, Tue Jan 22 20:16:52 UTC 2008 #44
Who the heck is "Edward Cruise...right there"? Poor old Edward keeps getting referred to, so I hope he's prepared. Doppleganger Dawg says Edward WITNESSED..."it"...regarding the MURDER because SOMEONE KNEW TOO MUCH. They won't give any VICTIM NAME, though. That's to do with the "girl" they pulled out of "the store"?
And Beth is also being blamed...for their DIVULGING THIS NOW...BECAUSE SHE ASKED THEM TO COME? They make no sense whatsoever.
Oh, and "PROVE US WRONG".
It's NOT ABOUT MONEY: they're doing this because they are so altruistic, putting their business on hold, spending their own money. Their business is international and everything...all the magazines...? This guy couldn't complete a thought if his earrings depended upon it.
They'll give their info to the FBI. hehehe
Mics go down and it's hard to hear them now.
This is all they'll give now, until people start diving in. Just listen to them. "THIS IS NOT HEARSAY." This is what BETH told them PERSONALLY. [But hearsay is all WE, the audience, have seen so far. Not too quick on the uptake, is he?]
They do hospice, "That's what we do." And now they're psychologists, lecturing on how people become ill from knowing stuff and not telling. (A little bit about their "methods" of persuasion in public speaking later.)
Oh...THE AGENDA IS REVEALED:
"[BETH] TOOK STUFF OF OURS, TO KEEP THIS COVERED UP. SHE WOULD NOT GIVE IT BACK. ...SHE LIED ABOUT US [to some official?]" (Evil Beth! See how nice we are?) They CLAIM they're standing up for the poor Van der Sloots and Aruba. Beth's best friends have "SOLD HER OUT", telling Beth's secrets to...them? Hm. Now...why would these best friends do that? Maybe we'll learn...?
Now the guy is doing an IMAGINED dialog between Beth and Natalie, an argument allegedly about Natalie refusing to come home, and Beth incensed, threatening to drag Natalie back by the hair. As far as I can tell, THIS isn't what BETH told this couple, but what their FRIENDS SOLD HER OUT by TELLING THIS COUPLE--"It was told to us." That WOULD be HEARSAY. Natalie has run away before in the states, according to this guy. And Beth is the witch who is knowingly using the Van der Sloots to keep the suspicion off of...herself...for some reason.... Oh, yeah, to keep the family "incest secrets".
Well, now we know who has been spreading the malicious gossip about Beth for so long.
Now they're advertising their business again: "We've worked with [this tv show and that one--general name dropping]."
Back to Beth's arrival time being a lie, got there on friend's private jet. Beth couldn't have seen the lights of Aruba at 7:45 pm there. Beth's "BEST FRIENDS" have told this couple SO MUCH. Poor Beth. If that's true, I'd be checking my "friends" list.
Oh my god. Now they're going to tell the "WE SAVED THE GIRL IN THE STORE" STORY. A year ago, "...WE SAVED A GIRL FROM SUICIDE, LITERALLY." The "girl" had a little boy, they throw in. Cue violins, please: It was because the "girl's" friend had been BRUTALLY...BRUTALLY...murdered...because of "this". "Edward" witnessed this girl's suicide attempt, they say...though Edward ain't even on camera and haven't heard a peep from him. Now they're BEST FRIENDS with this "girl", and they QUOTE HER as saying "You saved my life." [Okay, it doesn't GET more self-congratulatory than this. Maybe they should wear t-shirts saying "I'M GREAT, BUT I'M HUMBLE ABOUT IT."]
So...if they can stop patting themselves on the back, maybe I'll get to the actual story of what happened.
Okay, that's clear as mud. Now they're PSYCHIC? They apparently CALLED EDWARD and told him THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN [when they got to the store they pulled the "girl" out of]...AND IT DID! They didn't KNOW the "girl", but they gave Edward the "girl's" name; the woman with Deputy Dogma at this press conference went into the store, grabbed the "girl" and "told her" everything that had happened [to Natalie? to the BRUTALLY MURDERED friend of the "girl's"?]. The girl then BOOM, collapsed!
Then, if I'm able to decipher this guy's SHORTHAND for facts, seems Edward had been told by Captain Sunglasses' female partner everything the "girl" was going to say, and she said it! Bringing Edward to tears. And now we learn who EDWARD IS...sort of. Edward then SET UP this news conference because "he knows what we say is true"!
Uh...question! [I"m so irritating like that.] WHERE'S THE PART ABOUT THE SUICIDE ATTEMPT YOU SAVED THIS GIRL FROM WHEN YOU "PULLED" HER OUT OF THE STORE? Cap'n Sunglasses says he brings PRESENTS to this GOOD FRIEND now and her son. Hellloooo? What STORY? HOW DID YOU KNOW IT BEFORE THE "GIRL" TOLD IT? PSYCHIC?
Asked where Natalie was on the island while people were looking for her (I think), the guy says other end. No, he won't NAME NAMES. (How did I KNOW that was coming?) Says he and blondie are "still here", but last time on the island they were using fake names, moved around from hotel to hotel, blahblahblah. Just get this out! It's a SIMPLE SIMPLE SIMPLE SIMPLE STORY! It started AT THE HOME. It's all BETH'S AND THE MOLESTING STEP-FATHER'S FAULT!
(Dear god, please deliver us from DUMBAZZ DO-GOODERS WITH THEIR OWN AGENDAS.)
Well, that's all folks. No evidence. No names that mean anything. No one else corroborating nothing. Wild tales. IMPROBABLE TALES. UNSUPPORTED TALES.
In a NEWS conference called to GET OUT THE TRUTH. But NOTHING to back up their WILD STORIES.
Am I the only one who is finding this so familiar, I can tell you right now what this is all about? PUBLICITY. SPIN. HIDDEN AGENDAS.
I don't believe anything this creepy couple says. Some may be true, but if they're telling the truth, why is that guy talking ninety miles an hour, about as coherent as Charles Manson on speed? He's trying to draw credibility from the audience by telling the people to whom HE'S TELLING THIS BS STORY that "THEY" ARE RIGHT, IT'S TRUE?! What? "THEY" HAVEN'T SAID ANYTHING, YOU'RE THE ONE DOING ALL THE TALKING, BOZO! One person allegedly shook his/her head OFF CAMERA at something the guy doing ALL the talking said, AND THAT TURNED INTO "YOU ARE RIGHT! YOU KNOW!"
It's a common con, people. They're not even good at it. Look at them--cheap trash peddling nothing but innuendoes, wild tales told in convoluted fashion no one can follow much, no real details anyone can check, no actual evidence, and corroboration non-existent. Personal testimony to...ALLEGED GOSSIP. It just won't wash.
Think: If Beth really knew these people, why would she trust them, since they ADMIT they bonded with the VAN DER SLOOTS in '05, believing Joran to be innocent? Why would BETH have CONFIDED in FRIENDS AND ALLIES OF THE SLOOTS? Why would Beth's BEST FRIENDS have confided in VAN DER SLOOT SUPPORTERS? Natalie disappeared not long before that "bonding" with the Van der Sloots. So did these people LIE to Beth to get her confidence? How long? If so, THEY SET BETH UP, and knew they were doing so ALL THIS TIME. That's underhanded and it's predatory in a HIGH PROFILE MISSING PERSON CASE. PURE CON artist, preying on a DEVASTATED FAMILY. Beth lost her daughter: NOW these sycophants are calling a press conference and directly BLAMING BETH FOR IT ALL, ADDING THE WORST KIND OF HATEFUL GOSSIP OF INCEST.
Is ANY of it true? Not until someone comes forward to corroborate, someone CREDIBLE and with EVIDENCE. You know--a pregnancy test result? A body location? Tapes or pictures? SOMETHING?
I will say the reporters were right on it, though. I don't think this duo fooled them at all.
So sorry to disagree, Chero and anyone who thinks there's something to this: think Pete Peterson and the "McReynolds did it" news conference so long ago. Think Michael Tracey and Lou Smit. NANCY KREBS SHILLS? Pure scam for personal gain, dressed up in fake claims of humanitarian concern.
I hope Beth calls them on all of it. I imagine she's got an appt. with Lin Wood very soon.
Last edited by koldkase; January 22, 2008, 8:50 pm at Tue Jan 22 20:50:41 UTC 2008.
"University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
January 22, 2008, 9:22 pm, Tue Jan 22 21:22:05 UTC 2008 #45
Okay, I went back and reworked some of the earlier observations I made while watching this video. It was hard to figure out where these people were going, so after hearing it all, I could clarify a few points they were trying to make...if that is possible.
I don't mean to be such a smart alec....
Okay, yes I do. Well, what do you expect? PYRATE!
"University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
January 22, 2008, 9:44 pm, Tue Jan 22 21:44:14 UTC 2008 #46FFJ Senior Member
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I know you disagree with what Dan and Kelly said, KK, but at least let me comment on a few things.
Dan Young and Kelly Castillo believe what they were saying. Whether what they are saying is TRUE or not, only documented evidence will tell. But they were not making up a story for the camera.
Yes, Dan seems full of himself and would be the guy bragging about something at a family barbeque that no one could stand, but what he said (and the documented evidence he has) makes sense and fits the facts as we know them. It would be wise for his story (and documents) to be checked out by LE.
Dan and Kelly have worked on the case since 2005 and have talked to a lot of people. They were initially asked to help by Beth Twitty herself, and have spent their own money. They are not psychics (they didn't claim to be), but hospice workers. They believe they have found the answer to what happened to Natalie. Why can't their story be analyzed and investigated?
Sure, Dan and Kelly may want a book deal. Yes, he repeats himself constantly and is not the best spokesman to explain what he knows. (He kind of started in the middle, then jumped back and forth as questions were asked.) But Dan has the conviction of a man who has done his research. He never stumbled on the facts of his story, and he talked fast enough to show he was using true stream-of-consciousness-thought instead of couching his words in "I think" or "I believe" or "umm, ahh, I don't remember." He may have hestitated to reveal all, but what he did reveal was the truth as far as he knows it.
Dan did show a copy of Beth's flight record to the reporters. You could see the reporters looking at it, and they didn't deny it's contents. Unfortunately, by the time the camera person thought to train the lens on the paper instead of Dan's face, he was already folding it back up, but he has a valid question. Why did Beth say she arrived at 11 p.m. or so (and looked down on the lights of Aruba) when she arrived about 7:30 p.m. and the sun was shining? Why did she lie about the four hour difference? What happened in those four hours that made her want to change her timeline?
It is true there was another, and different, missing poster for Natalie in the beginning. People at other forums have commented that they saw a copy of the original poster Dan mentions. Once again, he has a valid question. Why did Beth put a copy of the second poster in her book and claim it was the original poster? The original poster said nothing about kidnapping. It only gave a phone number to call.
Here's a synopsis of what Dan and Kelly said:
1. Natalie did not get along with her mother. (A lot of teenage girls don't. That's not a stretch to believe.)
2. Natalie had run away from home before. (Allegedly, some of Natalie's best friends told Dan and Kelly that information.)
3. Natalie was being sexually abused by Jug Twitty. (That is an unsourced rumor alledgedly made by friends of Natalie/Beth, and may be true or false.)
4. Natalie went to Aruba on her senior trip, and didn't plan to come back to the States. She partied (drank and used drugs) on the last night of the trip, and left a bar with Joran Van Der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers. Allegedly, she went to a beach with the brothers where sexual activity may or may not have taken place. Supposedly, Natalie passed out, and the three boys left her there. (This is plausible and fits what we know of the activities of the three boys that night. They may have raped her after she was passed out, or thought she'd died of a drug overdose, and were afraid to go to police or tell the truth of what happened.)
5. Natalie was either found passed out on the beach by someone else, or she woke up and found them, then continued to drink and use drugs. After the search for her began, Natalie begged them to hide her to keep from going back to the States.
6. After a week or two of being hidden and passed around, Natalie died of a drug overdose. Those who had been hiding her were scared her death would be blamed on them. The people who had promised to hide her hadn't realized there would be an international manhunt for Natalie. She was just a blonde party girl to them, but the publicity made everyone nervous, especially with all the sex and drugs involved. (This scenario makes sense. A bunch of island party people tell Natalie they'll help her stay there, but then things get out of hand, and they try to hide their involvement.)
7. Beth was flown to Aruba on a private jet and while in flight, she talked to Natalie on her cell phone and told her to come home. Natalie refused. (Dan mentions the pilot of that plane was never questioned, which seemed like a hint that the pilot may have been the source of that information.)
8. Beth arrived in Aruba at 7 p.m., not 11 p.m. Dan believes Beth was still trying to get Natalie to come home, and that was why the first posters were not about kidnapping, but just "call this number." (Dan apparently has documentation to back up his claim of Beth's earlier arrival. What was Beth doing in those four hours? Was she talking to Natalie then?)
9. Dan and Kelly say someone close to Natalie told them she was pregnant and that Jug Twitty was the father. (Once again, this is an unsourced rumor and may be true or false.)
10. There was a person (a female) whom Dan and Kelly found out about in their investigations on Aruba. Apparently, someone gave them the name of this person in connection with what happened to Natalie. Dan and Kelly say they "pulled" this person "out of a store" (I don't know if they worked there or were just shopping) and talked to them. Dan said they were suicidal because someone they loved had been murdered (a boyfriend perhaps?). The reason for this murder was that they knew too much about what really happened to Natalie, and there were people who didn't want that information known. (This scenario is also possible if drugs and/or or a drug deal was involved in Natalie's death.)
Once again, I am not saying I believe everything that Dan and Kelly said, or that this is the final word on what happened to Natalie, but there is not ONE THING they did say that contradicts the known evidence, and much of it makes perfect sense.
I have never had a dog in this fight. I have never had preconceived notions about anyone involved in this case. I don't have a vested interest in seeing Beth villified or made a saint, or seeing Joran and the Kalpoes exonerated or crucified.
I'm just interested in the truth. And even if you don't like the messengers (Dan & Kelly), please don't dismiss their message until their story is checked out and the facts are known.
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January 22, 2008, 10:15 pm, Tue Jan 22 22:15:18 UTC 2008 #47
All I can think of at this point is that if the people reporting this info are lying through their teeth.......is yeah - they are mame-bots. I haven't seen anything about this other than a forum here and there. There are two main forums, the very anti-Beth one is found here:
And the Beth Supporters can be found here:
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Here's a copy of Beth's arrival manifest. It lists the time of her arrival as 7:46 p.m. (19:46). Dan said Beth listed her reason for visiting Aruba as "vacation." If you look at the bottom left of the pic, you can see a word that looks like the last of the word "vacation" but the first part is cut off.
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Current affairsThe American retailer Harry Gordon Selfridge opens the first British custom-built department store on what was then the 'dead end' of Oxford Street. The revolutionary complex, considered the world's largest at the time, transforms shopping, offering diverse amenities including a post office and a library, and modernises the visual face of retailing through innovative window displays.
Art and scienceThe Frenchman Louis Bleriot becomes the first person to cross the English channel by aeroplane, winning the £1,000 prize offered by the Daily Mail, and greeted by cheering crowds at Dover station. Bleriot's flight also showed that England was, as H.G. Wells put it, from a military point of view 'no longer an inaccessible island'.
In dance, Alexandre Benois becomes the first artistic director of Sergey Diaghilev's innovative Ballets Russes.
InternationalThe National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), is founded in America to campaign for the rights of African Americans. One of the oldest and most influential civil rights movements, it was founded by a diverse group of individuals from mixed backgrounds, including W.E.B. Du Bois, Ida Wells-Barnett, Henry Moscowitz and William English Walling.
The Selig Polyscope company sets up the first film studio in Los Angeles.
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Regular physical activity is good for everyone's health! Physical activity is anything that gets your body moving. Aim for 2 hours and 30 minutes of moderate activity each week.
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Apple CEO Cook Returns to China Amid Falling Market ShareBloomberg News
Apple CEO Cook Returns to China Amid Falling Market ShareBloomberg News
Apple Inc. Chief Executive Officer Tim Cook made his second visit to China in less than 10 months, as the company tries to revive its shrinking share of the world's biggest mobile-phone market by subscribers.
Cook is meeting government officials and partners, Carolyn Wu, a Beijing-based Apple spokeswoman, said by phone today, without elaboration. The officials included Miao Wei, the head of the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology, according to a government statement.
Apple has almost doubled its number of outlets in China and Hong Kong since Cook's last visit as it tries to win consumers from Samsung Electronics Co. and local phone makers. The company has slipped to sixth from fourth in market share, according to researcher IDC, and it has yet to offer iPhones via China Mobile Ltd., the nation's biggest carrier.
"They have been too slow to open points of sale," Shaun Rein, managing director of China Market Research Group in Shanghai, said in an interview today. "We've also seen the introduction of tons of cheaper smartphones on Android."
The company now has 11 stores in China and Hong Kong, compared with six when Cook was last in the country. The Asian nation is still the Cupertino, California-based company's second-largest market after the U.S., with $5.7 billion in sales in the quarter ended September.
China Mobile
Apple has yet to design a device that can use China Mobile's third-generation network, a homegrown system that isn't used by other carriers. The two companies also need to agree on the business model and benefit sharing before a product can be introduced, China Mobile Chief Executive Officer Li Yue told a conference in Guangzhou last month.
Apple's Wu declined to comment on whether Cook was meeting China Mobile officials during his trip. Li Jun, a Beijing-based spokesman for the carrier's state-owned parent company, said he didn't have any information on the subject.
Cook discussed China's information technology industry, global mobile communications and Apple's business in China with ministry head Miao, according to the government statement.
The company, which opened its first Chinese store in 2008, gained 0.3 percent to close at $525.31 in New York trading yesterday.
The phone maker may agree a deal with China Mobile when the carrier moves to a fourth-generation wireless network based on Long Term Evolution technology in the second half of the year, Neil Juggins, a Hong Kong-based analyst at JI Asia Research Ltd., said by e-mail today.
"I think there is a good chance of an agreement," he said. "I would put the chances at better than 50 percent."
Samsung Sales
Apple had less than 10 percent of China's mobile-phone market in the third quarter, according to IDC. Samsung led sales, followed by four local brands -- Lenovo Group Ltd., China Wireless Technologies Ltd.'s Coolpad unit, ZTE Corp and Huawei Technologies Co.
Apple's share was projected to rebound with the release of the iPhone 5 in the market last month, IDC said at the time. More than 2 million iPhone 5s were sold during the device's weekend debut, Apple said Dec. 17. The iPhone is offered through the nation's second- and third-largest carriers: China Unicom (Hong Kong) Ltd. and China Telecom Corp.
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The memories of what it was like growing up in east Kinston will forever linger in Reggie Bullock�s mind.
The memories of what it was like growing up in east Kinston will forever linger in Reggie Bullock�s mind.
The drugs. The gangs. The hardships that come with being raised in �the projects.� But Bullock refused to let the negativity that surrounded his upbringing define who he is and be the deciding factor in what he was going to do with his life.
On Thursday, with roughly 75 friends and family members gathered in a side room at the Woodmen Community Center, Bullock watched on a large, pull-down screen as NBA Commissioner David Stern announced that the Los Angeles Clippers had selected him with the 25th overall pick in this year�s NBA draft.
In almost an instant the 6-foot-7, 205-pound swingman�s life changed. What became commonplace to him as a child is something Bullock will never have to worry about going back to.
But his upbringing is at the center of the strength, courage and drive that he has today.
�I finally made it, I finally made it,� Bullock said, smiling from ear to ear. �Just hearing my name called, it�s a blessing for me.
�It�s a blessing to be in this position, making it to the NBA. But the work don�t stop here. I still got a long way to go to prove myself that I belong there. I�m ready for the challenge.�
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Bullock was raised by his grandmother, Patricia Williams, who passed away while he was a freshman at UNC.
Williams, a minister, saw to it that Bullock did the right thing and made the right choices. The homework and chores had to be completed before he could go to the gym. His top priority was attending church.
Even with such negative outside influences, Bullock had a solid foundation in his home.
�You had to convince Grandma to let him play,� said retired Rochelle Middle School basketball coach Alexander �Skeet� Davis, a mentor of Bullock�s. �I�ll never forget. I was going to put him on a little tournament team and she said, �He�s got to go to church.� I said, �You let him practice, I�ll bring him to church.� I�ve always felt like he was special.�
Special enough to separate himself from the haves and have nots.
�He�s had it hard. I can identify with him because I�m also, out at Tarboro, from the projects � Eastside homes,� Davis said. �Don�t nobody expect nothing good to come out of the hood, but they do.
�It don�t matter where you�re come from, it�s what you do to get yourself right.�
Bullock went to work on his game at a young age. In middle school he heard the comparisons to Kinston native Jerry Stackhouse, who just completed his 18th season in the NBA.
Bullock told the Raleigh News and Observer in March about a time when he banked in a 3-pointer as a youngster playing against Stackhouse in a pick-up game. That�s when he knew he had a shot at doing something great.
Bullock has worked hard to hone his craft since, and has become a beacon of hope for a city which needs one.
�What is so beautiful about this story is the adversity that Reggie has overcome. To be where he is, it shows all these young men and all these young ladies that are in the streets and in the schools that they can achieve it, too,� Kinston Mayor B.J. Murphy said. �But it takes hard work, perseverance, it takes mentors � it takes the kids to take one step and all these other folks, the mentors, to take a couple of them with them.�
What Bullock knows to be home and what will become his home are two different places.
Los Angeles is a mecca for the entertainment industry, from movies to music to professional sports.
Bullock was drafted by one of the more popular franchises in the NBA. He�ll play his home games in the Staples Center, with big time Hollywood celebrities sitting courtside.
NBA all-star and Clippers point guard Chris Paul, who sponsors an AAU team Bullock used to play for, tweeted his excitement of playing with Bullock in the future.
�Congrats to (Reggie Bullock) on being drafted,� the tweet read. �He was on my 1st 15 and Under CP3 All-Stars team. (hashtag)teamCp3�
The Clippers, who chose Bullock with their only draft pick this year, also recently dealt for former Boston Celtics coach Doc Rivers.
Rivers� son, Austin, played for Duke for one season and coach Rivers attended his games regularly.
Coach Rivers had his eye on Bullock before making the move to the West Coast, he said.
�I like him,� Rivers told the Associated Press. "That's one of the guys that we wanted. We felt like we needed more shooting and he does that.
�Having been a guy that went to a lot of Duke games and Duke-North Carolina games, I got to see him up close. He has size, can play the small forward position, he can shoot it on the catch and he can defend. Those are all of the things that we targeted, and that's what we got.�
Bullock�s mother, Danielle Brown, was so excited for her son Thursday that she had trouble putting her emotions into words.
�It�s exciting. When he was little and playing ball I never thought of (him going to the NBA),� she said.
�I feel OK about (him being so far away). One day I�m going to be there.�
Bullock will sign his first professional contract soon, move to L.A., and begin his new life as a professional athlete.
In the near future he will receive a hefty signing bonus to go along with his guaranteed two-year contract, which has club options for a third and fourth season. He�ll also make, according to the league�s rookie salary scale, around $1 million in salary next season. But money isn�t something that has driven Bullock.
As he�s said, time and time again, �I put on for my city.�
He showed home much home means to him when he decided to find out his professional destination here surrounded by those who love him and led him in the right direction instead of New York.
Bullock�s tattoos are a constant reminder of what Kinston means to him.
�I think it says a lot about Reggie. I think it says a lot about his character. It says a lot about his family. The biggest thing is, I think, he wanted to have it here because he just loves Kinston. It�s not in Chapel Hill, it�s in Kinston,� former Kinston High basketball coach Wells Gulledge said.
�This night is about the journey of Reggie Bullock.�
And quite the journey it has been, but it�s not over.
Bullock still has to continue to work. No doubt he wants to earn a starting spot along side Paul and superstar forward Blake Griffin. No doubt he wants to earn a second contract 10 times as big as the first.
But no matter what happens next, it�s the last 22 years that Bullock can hang his hat from.
�It�s not going to change me as a person. I�m still going to be humble about where I come from,� Bullock said. �It�s just great to go out there and play with a good team.�


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The anonymous first-floor waiting room overlooking Rotterdam's shopping streets looks an unlikely outpost for miracle cures. It could belong to a building society. Only the stairlift, the wheelchairs and the air of excitement offer clues to what is going on.
Until a few years ago, the Preventive Medicine clinic confined itself to acupuncture, aromatherapy and ozone treatment. But it is the new item on the menu - stem cell injections - that has brought increasing numbers of desperate men and women from the UK, in the hope of a cure for multiple sclerosis
Four Britons arrive with their families or closest friends on the day I visit. Two have come for injections of stem cells from umbilical cord blood, which they want to believe will help them recover from their progressively debilitating disease. The other two have come just to talk it over, but clearly need little encouragement to reach for the credit card. They are different people, from different places, but there's something they share. Hope.
Cells for the procedure are supplied by Advanced Cell Therapeutics, which has a Zurich address and a London telephone number "for new inquiries". It supplies a network of clinics across Europe. The Guardian has learned that ACT has taken over the activities of a US-based company, BioMark International, which became the subject of a fraud investigation and had its accounts frozen by the US Food and Drug Administration in 2003.
Three of the members of ACT's "medical advisory board" are the same, and are described in identical words on the ACT website and that of the former BioMark website, and ACT sends patients to the same clinics that BioMark supplied.
At the Rotterdam clinic Veronika Verden-Anderson, 43, with her friend Julie Jackson, is filling out a form. She can walk with two sticks, but it's a struggle. Her MS is progressive, not the milder relapsing, remitting kind. She has done all she can for herself - moving to the Scottish countryside for a healthier lifestyle, keeping fit and eating well. But there is nothing conventional medicine can offer her.
The MS drug betaferon costs £8,000 a year and it has side-effects, she says. "This is a one-off treatment. If I made any improvement at all, it would be worth it."
Later, Andrew Crichton, his wife, Gillian, and their son arrive. He has just turned 40, but he is in a wheelchair, his hand shakes and his eyesight has been affected. He's registered blind. He is very cheerful and pragmatic. His wife says: "I figure in this life you try anything."
The clinic, run by Dutch GP Robert Trossel who lives in London, used to get its stem cells from Biomark. Now they come from ACT.
The ACT website includes several case studies concerning ALS patients written by Dr Christopher Goddard. Dr Goddard is under investigation by Health Canada and the College of Physicians and Surgeons in British Columbia after the Los Angeles Times published an article a year ago, telling of a patient he allegedly injected on behalf of BioMark. There was no improvement.
The two founders of BioMark appear to have left the US. They were the businessman Stephen van Rooyen and a former model, Laura Brown. Mr Van Rooyen has reappeared in his native South Africa. Mr Van Rooyen said his partner, Ms Brown, was in London where the pair had "established a biotech company that is focusing exclusively on developing a government-approved clinical trials business in providing stem-cell therapies".
He claimed the trial data would "put an end to the smear campaigns and attempts to discredit the potential that cord blood stem cell therapy has to offer".
Jan Wilks, from Liverpool, has primary progressive MS. After stem cell treatment eight months ago, she told national papers she had improved so much that she was able to manage without a wheelchair. She says now that her headaches have gone, her brain feels clearer and she can walk with a stick. "Doctors have said to me it is all in your head and I say where has the pain gone? That wasn't in my head. I was taking paracetamol until it was coming out of my ears."
Doctors are increasingly anxious about the unproven therapy that is attracting so many of their MS patients. Neil Scolding, professor of clinical neurosciences at Bristol University, who is involved in MS research, said: "The stories that one hears of patients in a wheelchair who are walking 10 minutes after receiving this treatment could not be explained by any stem cell therapy mechanism."
Dr Trossel is qualified to GP level, but says he has found a way of adding RNA to the frozen cord blood cells he receives from Switzerland to "instruct" them where to go to mend damage in the human body - a piece of research that would win a research scientist a Nobel prize.
Robin Lovell-Badge, a stem cell scientist with the National Institute for Medical Research, says: "I certainly cannot see how adding mRNA to frozen cells would instruct them to do anything, except die."
Between patients, Dr Trossel does admit that the chances of long-term improvement for people with progressive MS are not so good. "Even if you repair all the nerve damage it doesn't mean they won't have another attack," he says. He admits that many who say they feel better at three months find that at six months "they feel back to the same situation". He also acknowledges that "the placebo effect is part of medicine".
A month after the injections, Mr Crichton says he feels "really well. My hands don't shake nearly as much and my walking is definitely a bit better and the same with my eyesight". He puts it as a 10% improvement. Ms Verdon-Anderson says: "I've had no improvement at all."
ACT requested that a list of questions be emailed to its medical director, Catherine Orridge. A reply came from Sean Castle, who describes himself as the managing director. He promised to answer the questions, including some on the relationship between Biomark and ACT, but failed to do so.
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Stem cells
The basic building blocks of the human body. Embryonic stem cells, the tiny cluster that develops in the first days after fertilisation of a human egg, divide and divide again to become blood, nerves and tissue as required. Scientists hope one day to find a way to direct them to become specific cells, for instance to repair the damaged myelin sheath around the nerves in people with multiple sclerosis.
Multiple sclerosis
A disabling neurological condition affecting 85,000 mostly young adults in the UK. The cause is unknown and there is no cure. The immune system is wrongly triggered to attack the protective myelin layer around nerves that send messages to the brain. Movement becomes progressively more difficult. Some people have flare-ups followed by periods of recovery (relapsing remitting MS) and some deteriorate steadily (progressive).
Cord blood
Umbilical cord blood contains stem cells. They are not thought to have the same potential as embryonic stem cells but they have been successfully transplanted into patients with blood diseases, such as leukaemia, thalassaemia and sickle cell disease. Cord blood is an alternative to a bone marrow transplant. A very close match is needed between patient and donor, however, which is why some parents with sick children want to have babies through test-tube fertility techniques, to select a perfect match sibling.
Stands for messenger RNA, one form of ribonucleic acid, a chemical similar in structure to DNA. It transmits genetic information from DNA to proteins.


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Football might be the ultimate team game, but you won't find many general managers unwilling to trade a decade's worth of draft picks for a time machine to go back and build around any of these players. But just who is the greatest player in the history of Titans (and Oilers) football? Leading up to ESPN.com's 2008 NFL preview, we're asking for SportsNation's help in sorting out the history of each franchise. Namely, we need your help crowning the all-time greats. Voting includes all players in a franchise's history, regardless of location (Baltimore and Indianapolis Colts, for example). Final results will be revealed Aug. 18 on ESPN.com.
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Hello all,
Seeing as how quite a few new people are cropping up wanting to discuss new games and provide us all with new Gamer Tags..........I thought we should have a new thread (seeing as how the last thread containing them is dead and managed by someone who is banned now)
Plus, the original idea and list was mine...........so Im taking it back from our former resident racist f*ckwit.
So, here we go............if Ive missed anyone or any new fellas want to join the fight, please do post them in here and Ill update the list.
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Speakonitgod - PSN = PacNasNBig
JReed23 - PSN = GinSwigga
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Viz - PSN = Vaizzard
Saintdee - PSN = judgedee
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Bigstrads - Live ID = JamesStreats
Webelieve - Live ID = CALFAN4LIF
Jaypat - Live ID = JizPizzle221
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Thunder - Live ID = Lagerstatten
Metalface - Live ID = Andrewvonboom
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LoGiik - Live ID = A FLying PonY
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jimbob631 - Live ID = slushiestjimmy
Viz - Live ID = Vizsanity
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I haven't quit, you have just lost your dedication and do not stay up late enough anymore! hahah, nah, but i've played with you a few times lately james. I think the new one will bring people out. Oh and I see metalface on quite a bit, but haven't played with him really. James, check that videogame thread, i put a link for the video i was talkin about


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Go Left Fest: Sunny Murray, Marshall Allen, Roswell Rudd and More Coming to Yoshi's
I was plenty thrilled that Abdullah Ibrahim is coming to Yoshi's in San Francisco (June 5-7), but today's announcement from hit-the-ground-running Artistic Director Jason Olaine officially blows away worrisome reports of booking more mainstream fare like Joan Osborne and Bruce Hornsby.
Attention, free jazz fans: The inaugural Go Left Fest, two days of avant-garde legends at Yoshi's in San Francisco, is coming on June 22 and 23.
It's crazy enough that Marshall Allen, the 85-year old Sun Ra cohort and torchbearer, is part of the festival. It's insane enough that Roswell Rudd, whose New York Art Quartet and New York Eye and Ear Control are essentials, is appearing too. Throw into the mix author Ishmael Reed, pianist Matthew Shipp, pianists Myra Melford and Mark Dresser, bassist Joe Morris, clarinetist Beth Custer and saxophonist Oluyemi Thomas, and a joyful noise unto the rock of our outer planes is guaranteed.
The cause of my personal hysteria? The drummer on the dates, Sunny Murray. I picked up Eremite's deluxe reissue of Murray's hailed-but-impossible-to-find 1969 album Big Chief recently, and it's as blistering and intense as a hailstorm of roofing nails. (Limited to 600 copies—laminated cover, pressed at RTI, 180 gram, the whole bit. Dusty Groove seems to still have some in stock.)
I assumed Murray, pictured above, was living as a hermit these days in some out-of-the-way neighborhood in Paris, stockpiling newspaper clippings and watching static on TV sets and baking bread or something. I'm glad to know he's still playing—after an incredible career backing up key Cecil Talyor and Albert Ayler dates, along with leading his own groups.
Murray's classic album An Even Break (Never Give a Sucker), on BYG Actuel, is a must-have, but Murray is unlikely to see any royalties from it, according to this stellar interview by Clifford Allen. Most record companies are shady, but BYG Actuel made it an art—it turns out that BYG Actuel's contracts were presented to American musicians drafted in French:
I made three albums, Archie made four; we were like children in a candy field. And we signed contracts, but Archie was the only one who understood a little French. And like you said, the contracts are so artificial. Like one of the lines, they said they owned the music for infinity. [laughs] It's impossible! I showed my lawyer and he laughed, and we didn't know what to say.
The Go Left Fest at Yoshi's in San Francisco, which should hopefully toss some money in Murray's bank account, is on June 22 and 23. There's one long show each night, at 8pm; tickets are $40 each or $65 for both days. You can buy tickets here.
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Well, this is awkward. Actress Gwyneth Paltrow and her musician husband, Chris Martin of Coldplay, bought a house in Malibu for $14 million, then they turned around and announced their "conscious uncoupling."
Uncoupling papers will no doubt eventually reveal who gets the John Lautner-designed home, which is set on a secluded acre of land and surrounded by tropical landscaping. The forward-thinking architect designed such structures as the octagonal Chemosphere house in Los Angeles and the poured-concrete Elrod Residence in Palm Springs.
The single-story post-and-beam house the former couple bought was built in 1972 and sits on a street that has seen the likes of Kenny G, Julia Roberts and Charlie Sheen as neighbors.
Architectural details include angled walls and windows, a triangular fireplace that juts into the living room, and a teardrop-shaped granite-topped island in the kitchen.
The 3,650-square-foot house features heated sandstone floors, walls of glass, stainless-steel appliances, a library/study, an office, a gym, a yoga studio, four bedrooms and three bathrooms. There is an outdoor steam room and shower, a tennis court and a pebble stone swimming pool.
Paltrow, 41, won an Oscar for her leading role in "Shakespeare in Love" (1998). Her other film work includes the "Iron Man" movies and "Thanks for Sharing" (2012). She has made several guest appearances on the series "Glee," for which she won an Emmy, and will be in the upcoming Johnny Depp film "Mortdecai."
Martin, 37, is the frontman for Coldplay and one of its founders. The band has won Grammys for the albums "Viva la Vida or Death and All His Friends," "Clocks" and "A Rush of Blood to the Head." Coldplay will release its sixth album, "Ghost Stories," in May. Martin appeared as a guest mentor last week on "The Voice."
Stephanie Smith of Coldwell Banker was the listing agent. Susan Perryman of Hilton & Hyland/Christie's International Real Estate represented Paltrow.
A big bang for the buck
Kaley Cuoco-Sweeting and her husband, Ryan Sweeting, have listed their place in Sherman Oaks at $2.795 million. They recently bought the Tarzana home of former Laker Lamar Odom and television personality Khloe Kardashian for $5.499 million.
The Mediterranean-style house, built in 2004, is designed for entertaining with an outdoor living room and fireplace, an outdoor kitchen with an eat-at bar, a swimming pool and a spa. Stone fireplaces and interior arches are among architectural details.
The 5,233 square feet of living space includes a family room, five bedrooms and five bathrooms.
A salon/dressing room is outfitted with built-ins, shoe racks and a professional shampoo/hair station.
Cuoco-Sweeting, 28, stars in "The Big Bang Theory," which has been renewed for three years. The series is in its seventh season. She will star in this month's comedy film "Authors Anonymous."
Sweeting, 26, is a professional tennis player. The two were married in December.
Cuoco-Sweeting bought the property in 2010 for $2.4 million.
Stephanie Vitacco of Keller Williams is the listing agent.
Packing up in Bel-Air
Sarah Michelle Gellar and her husband, Freddie Prinze Jr., have listed their home in Bel-Air at $5.499 million.
The traditional-style house, built in 1991, features a gym, an office, a sun room, five bedrooms and 4.5 bathrooms within its 7,620 square feet of living space.
The family room has a drop-down screen and projector, 15-foot ceilings, a fireplace and French doors. There are fireplaces in the living room and master bedroom.
The nearly half-acre grounds include patio space, waterfalls, a swimming pool, a spa and a barbecue.
Geller, 36, stars on the series "The Crazy Ones" with Robin Williams. Her film work includes "The Grudge" (2004), "Cruel Intentions" (1999) and "I Know What You Did Last Summer" (1997), in which Prinze also starred. She won a Daytime Emmy for her role on "All My Children." And who could forget her starring role as "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" (1997-2003)?
Prinze, 38, is a producer and director for World Wrestling Entertainment. He was on the series "24" and "Freddie."
The property was purchased in 2001 for $2.45 million.
Cindy Ambuehl of Partners Trust is the listing agent.
'Malcolm' leaves landlord role
Frankie Muniz, known for his childhood role in "Malcolm in the Middle," has sold his home in Hollywood Hills West for $3.05 million.
The traditional-style house was built in 1941 and remodeled to have an open floor plan. The kitchen, dining room, living room, family room and two bedrooms occupy the lower level of the two-story home.
Upstairs, the master bedroom suite has a sitting area, a fireplace and dual closets. Two additional bedrooms are also on the upper level of the 4,200-square-foot home, which has four bathrooms.
Outdoor amenities on the gated property include a swimming pool, a spa, an outdoor fireplace and a viewing deck to take in the cityscape vistas.
Muniz, 28, was nominated for an Emmy for the starring role on "Malcolm" (2000-06). His subsequent interests have included race car driving and being a drummer in Kingsfoil. He recently announced that he was leaving the band because of upcoming scheduling conflicts. Muniz is working on the movie "Hot Bath an' a Stiff Drink 2."
He bought the house in 2006 for $3.499 million and had been leasing it out.
Mary Swanson and Jon Bronson of Westside Estate Agency were the listing agents. Bobby Syed of Coldwell Banker represented the buyer.
Artist sells Venice duplex
Raymond Pettibon, the contemporary artist who sprang from the L.A.'s punk rock scene, has sold a property in Venice for $1.219 million.
The Craftsman-style house, built in 1923 and zoned as a duplex, sits in the heart of so-called Silicon Beach. The "fixer," as it is described in the listing, has four bedrooms, two bathrooms and 2,512 square feet of living space.
Interior arches and hardwood floors hint at the property's early days. Artistic doodles adorn the walls in several rooms.
Pettibon, 56, got his start as a bass player, designing album covers and fliers for Black Flag. Today his works hang in major museums worldwide. His dystopian cartoon-style drawings and paintings often incorporate quotes.
The property last sold in 2006 for $1.1 million.
Richard Ehrlich of Westside Estate Agency and Solo Scott and Allen Sarlo of Re/Max Estate Properties were the listing agents. Scott also represented the buyer.
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Main entrance to North Farm closed until spring
The main entrance to MSU's Foil Plant Research Facility at North Farm will be closed beginning Nov. 15 for reconstruction.
The new access route will be through the Research Park via Mississippi Blvd. and Research Blvd.
This is anticipated to last through March of 2013. For a map, click here.


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The Sportsman was the third stop on my friend's trip to London. After a lunch at the Square, and a dinner at the Ledbury, we took the train from Victoria to Faversham on a beautiful sunny day, in order to arrive just on time for lunch at Seasalter. After having opened our wines, we were greeted by Paul Weaver, who's in charge of meat here, and cooks his stuff with incredible stability and precision. As Stephen Harris wasn't in that day, I was quite interested in seeing how much the cooking would differ from days in which his presence graces the house. Let this be known, I wouldn't have noticed his absence had I not known it, although he didn't bring out the food, which he usually does.
Wine-wise, we started with a beautiful 2007 Grüner Veltliner Honigvogl from Franz Hirtzberger. Wow, I have tried a few GVs over the years, but this is a world apart. Incredibly concentrated, perfectly balanced with beautiful fruit as a base, this was a great wine. After this we had a bottle of 2006 Condrieu from Yves Gangloff. With an impressive 15% degrees of alcohol, this wine was a bomb. I absolutely adored it, and must say that I haven't ever had a better Condrieu in my life. There was such an impressive structure in this wine, that I can't say my words can describe it accurately. To accompany the meaty part of the meal, we had brought a 2001 Chateau Montrose. My first encounter with this wine, it was still a bit too young, but drank beautifully. One could see how much potential was in this wine. A great discovery.
The final glass as ordered from their list, a simple NV Pol Roger Champagne, which is a very enjoyable BSA and very fairly priced here at a mere £7 a glass. All in all, it was the third day in a row with outstanding bottles. Life can indeed be very enhjoyable!
But, the food here wasn't bad at all today I must say, I'd even go as far as saying that it was the best meal I've had here so far. To kick us off, an oyster with apple sauce and a sliver of their own ham was served. A dish of immense beauty and great flavour, this was a beautiful way to start what was to become a memorable meal. The oyster, needless to say was simply exquisite, and the sauce worked magnificently well with it. Excellent.
Next up was the classic nibble board. As great as usual, this is always excellent.
The next little bite was one to remember. Look at the beauty of this simple composition, a baked oyster was topped with rhubarb granite and sprinkled with a buttery sauce. Absolutely perfect balance here, I loved this. Excellent.
The next course was no less good. A rather well-sized scallop came roasted, topped with morcilla and apple granite. If a dish ever featured 100% perfect balance, this was it. Every element was calculated to add to the whole, and made this an unforgettable little plate of food. The cooking and quality of the products was without doubt exceptional too, which made this a sublime combination. Outstanding.
The next scallop dish is disarmingly simple, even more so than the first we had. A single, large scallop came in its shell, dressed with some of Stephen's seaweed butter. I've had it on my previous visit, and wouldn't be able to tell a difference. Both times it was a very satisfying dish. Very good.
The last scallop was nearly as good as the first of the bunch: Roasted with a parsnip puree and crisp, it was another simply great dish. The parsnip's sweetness matched the scallop perfectly and made for a very successful combination. Excellent.
Up next was the second time I had the wigeon. This time it was even better than the first, even if the meat looked a bit dry at first. It was more tender, juicy and the flavour was even more clean. This is a great piece of cooking, which is hard to beat. Excellent.
A few slivers of the Seasalter ham Stephen cures was better than on the last visit (it was cut thinner), and very pleasant.
One of the finest dishes of the day was this turbot. Of substantial size, the filled sat atop some cabbage, and came with caramelised fennel, crispy pork belly, and a Champagne sauce. Classical seafood cooking can not become any better! This was a truly perfect dish. The turbot had great flavour, superb texture and was timed in a masterful way. The sauce was so damn good, that I can't say if I prefer this or the Vin jaune one. With the outrageous pork belly on top, I was in heaven. However, the cabbage underneath the fish was not to be forgotten, as it was cooked in order to have some bite to it, and was beautifully flavoured. DIVINE.
A welcome start to the meaty section of the menu was the deep-fried lamb shoulder. Just as on my first visit, I had to ask for more of this, only to find out, that we got the very last pieces of it. Hhhhhmm, sad sad, but well, it's still bloody good.
I was glad to see the mashed potatoes disappear in the lamb dish, as they didn't add much for me. This time all we had was great lamb (with the perfectly crisped skin I so much adore), and some hearty jus. A few greens, made this complete. Excellent.
Cheese today was very good again, with this great Ashmore. Very good.
A classic British dessert was to be the final part of the meal: A custard tart. Simple but delicious, this only confirmed my belief, that tarts are the finest desserts that the Sportsman serves. So far, the lemon, chocolate and custart tarts haven't ever deceived me. Excellent.
Finally the mignardises tray arrived. This could still have some fine tuning done to it, as it has some weaknesses here and there, but it's nonetheless very good.
A little walk on the beach made the day perfect. I would even go as far as saying that this might have been the finest meal, that I've eaten at the Sportsman so far. Everything was perfect, from the greeting, to the food, the wine and even the otherwise often lousy British weather. Such moments should be cherished and will not be forgotten. I love this place, and do so more and more.
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Monica Wehby's Run for the Oregon Senate Results in Awkward Questions About Her Personal Life
By Mark Z. Barabak
For 20 years, Oregon Republicans have ridden a losing streak, dropping 33 of 36 statewide races, including the last 19 in a row.
So when Monica Wehby jumped into the race for U.S. Senate, many in the party were thrilled at the prospect of reversing the GOP's sagging fortunes and moving the party a step closer to control of the upper chamber.
A widely respected pediatric neurosurgeon, she could speak credibly about health care, a major issue in light of the state's disastrous rollout of the new federal law. A relative moderate on issues like abortion, immigration and same-sex marriage, she fit the mold of Republicans who have won statewide office in the past.
Then, just before the May 20 primary, reports surfaced regarding Wehby's personal life _ a bitter divorce, a difficult romantic breakup, calls to the police by her ex-husband and a former boyfriend, who both accused her of harassment. Suddenly, her candidacy came under much harsher scrutiny and Oregon became the latest testing ground in the ever-fraught battle over politics and gender.
Democrats, already pressed to keep their Senate majority, have quietly pushed the Wehby-as-stalker story, even as the incumbent, Jeff Merkley, distances himself to avert any backlash.
Republicans have seized on the revelations, unearthed by Democratic research, to accuse the party of waging a war on women, hurling back the phrase Democrats use to attack GOP candidates on issues like contraception and equal pay.
Celebrating her nomination at an election night victory party, Wehby accused Democrats of "dirty tricks" and "shred(ding) my family for their own political gain."
"Tonight, we're sending the message that this Senate race will not be decided by the kind of ugly politics that people in Oregon and across the country are so sick of," Wehby said, as her four children joined her onstage.
It was one of the few times she addressed the matter in public. The 52-year-old first-time candidate has largely avoided reporters since the reports of domestic strife, a strategy that even sympathizers question.
"She needs to turn the campaign focus in the immediate term away from her and onto (Merkley)," said Dan Lavey, a longtime Oregon Republican strategist watching the race from the outside. "Her capacity to do that will probably determine whether she can be competitive or not."
Wehby's personal travails have clearly taken a political toll. Two recent surveys show Oregon voters now view her more negatively than positively, an unusual position for such a newcomer. More significant was the drop-off in Wehby's support in the May 20 vote.
Oregon conducts its elections entirely by mail, making it possible to track voter sentiments based on when ballots were cast. In early returns, Wehby led her Republican opponent, state Rep. Jason Conger, by just under 20 percent. In ballots mailed after reports of Wehby's conduct surfaced, she beat the more conservative Conger by just over 1 percent. (Still, she easily won the GOP nomination.) The details of her romantic discord are, like many relationships, complicated.
Four days before the primary, Politico reported that an ex-boyfriend, Andrew Miller, called police in April 2013 and accused Wehby of stalking him, entering his home without permission and harassing his employees. The pair had split after dating for about two years.
Interviewed for the story, Miller told Politico he regretted calling the police, describing Wehby as a friend and someone he likes and respects. Indeed, Miller _ the wealthy owner of a timber company and a major Republican donor _ gave more than $30,000 to a political action committee that attacked Conger in the GOP primary. Then, on election eve, the Portland Oregonian reported that police were called in 2007 and 2009 by Wehby's now ex-husband, complaining that she was repeatedly harassing him. The two were estranged at the time.
In a brief appearance on a conservative Portland radio show, Wehby said she and her former spouse now live four doors apart and have an amicable relationship. "This is the war on women here," she told host Lars Larson. "Democrats, Republicans, no one should be doing this to their opponent, period. This has got to stop."
Across the country, other GOP women have pressed that point, asserting that Democrats would be outraged if Republicans used a woman's personal relationships as campaign fodder.
"Without a doubt there's a complete double standard," said Katie Packer Gage, a Washington consultant who helps candidates target women voters. She accused Democrats of hypocrisy, saying they call Republicans hostile to women yet attacked Wehby "not on her positions, not on issues" but "this terribly unfair police report that probably shouldn't even exist."
At Republican national headquarters, party officials accused Merkley of engineering the release of the 2013 police document and called on him to fire the source who provided it for publication. "My campaign had nothing to do with it," Merkley responded after a Portland fundraising appearance alongside Democratic Sen. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts. "You may have noticed," he told reporters, that he has not mentioned Wehby's personal life in his campaign advertising or discussed it publicly in any fashion. He would prefer, Merkley said, a debate on issues.
His caution appeared well placed. Even among Merkley supporters, who lustily cheered Warren's double-fisted attack on corporate greed, there was squeamishness about delving too deeply into Wehby's private affairs.
"I wish politics wasn't like that. It seems one of the factor these days is slamming people," said Rebecca Kreag, 66, a retired state worker, even as her companion, Willa Fox, chimed in, "It's a public record!"
That said, Fox suggested the police reports were relevant only to a point. "I don't think it should be made any bigger than it is now," the 71-year-old retired schoolteacher said. "I think it's appropriate to go off it."
But like un-ringing the proverbial bell, it may be difficult to undo the political damage already done to Wehby and her reputation. History shows that female candidates have a harder time recovering once they've brushed against scandal, said Debbie Walsh, who directs the Center for American Women and Politics at New Jersey's Rutgers University. Women seeking office start on a bit of a pedestal, seen as better and purer than male candidates, Walsh said, so "when they fall, it's a tougher fall."
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They couldn't even rustle up a Republic Dropship to show off with the Class I stuff. Best they could do was the sub and recon fighter, which I already have 3 of already.
No need to whine about the lack of CW stuff until after the presentation.
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So, the Weekly Rider is "rolling on" into a broader blog dealing with The Great Outdoors more generally. You'll still get biking updates on occasion, but this week, it's paddling.
I've been doing a lot of paddling on Otter Creek lately, and there's nobody else out there. So, it's time to go public:
There's some phenomenal canoeing and kayaking to be had in our backyards.
You could literally paddle in the backyard a few weeks ago, but this is more figurative.
WEYBRIDGE — "What has been most inspiring about Vermont is that I've been able to stay put here. Nothing is as good as stability for getting your work done."
Julia Alvarez, a Weybridge writer who has also taught at Middlebury College for nearly 25 years, wrote those lines in her essay "A Vermont Writer from the Dominican Republic."
SHOREHAM — Champlain Orchards in Shoreham is hosting two days of live music this weekend to benefit Vermont farmers affected by Tropical Storm Irene.
Orchard owner Bill Suhr knows there is a need among Vermont's agricultural community. Champlain Orchards itself lost more than 300 trees, snapped off by the wind and rain during Irene. Suhr estimated the cost of orchard storm damage was $100,000.
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DAYTON -- Thad Matta loves the University of Dayton Arena. Really.
Even though Ohio State hasn't fared all that well in Dayton since he's been the head coach -- never made it through the opening weekend of the NCAA Tournament intact -- it's still the place for his fondest college basketball memory.
"When I was a player, I may have had my grandest game ever in this building," Matta said, being interviewed in a room just up a walkway from the court. "Yes, I say that jokingly, but I hit a last-second shot."
That left-handed shot for Butler -- coming out of a timeout in which his coach listed the other four players as scoring options -- is still clear in Matta's mind. So are those less-joyful days in front of the 13,409 blue and red seats, when he was calling plays during timeouts for the Buckeyes. Second-seeded Ohio State (26-7) is only 1-2 in Dayton during the NCAA tournament under Matta.
Still, when it comes to bad moments in the building, those Buckeyes have nothing on Iona (20-13), their opponent on Friday. The Gaels had the biggest meltdown in NCAA tournament history on that court last year.
Iona pulled out to a 25-point lead over BYU late in the first half in a First Four game, then squandered all of it and lost 78-72 for a place on the wrong side of tournament history -- biggest blown lead. Only four players remain from that team, and they tried hard not to let those bad feelings creep back when they returned to the arena on Thursday.
"It's not something that I try to think about," senior Lamont Jones said. "At that point in time, we lost. I took what I could from it. But it's not something that fuels my fire. It's a totally different team, totally different identity, personalities, nine new players."
They couldn't forget about it completely. Their coach won't let them.
When the new-look Gaels were struggling to come together early in the season, coach Tim Cluess reminded them of that NCAA disappointment and what they needed to do to get a chance to go back to the tournament and give a better showing.
"We used last year's game as motivation to drive us toward this year," Cluess said. "It gave us a chance to return. Had that not happened, I don't think we'd be sitting here right now."
Iona doesn't really have a good NCAA tournament memory. The Gaels are 1-8 in the tournament, but the lone victory -- 84-78 over Holy Cross in 1980 -- was later vacated because of NCAA violations.
An upset of the Buckeyes on their close-to-home court would be one of the biggest in a season that's been full of such surprises.
"The way I said it to them is basically: Somebody here, more than one team in this tournament are going to pull off upsets and going to be the team that everyone is speaking about a week, two weeks down the road," Cluess said. "Why not us? Why not all of us dream a little bit right now?"
The Buckeyes would settle for a nondescript win in an arena that felt pretty cozy on Thursday.
They started the day with a practice on their home court back in Columbus. They got on a bus for the one-hour, 15-minute drive west on Interstate 70 and south on Interstate 75. Hundreds of fans at UD Arena were waiting to watch their public workout -- yes, one of them started the O-H-I-O cheer even before the Buckeyes took the court.
All the comforts of home.
"Yeah, this is amazing," guard Aaron Craft said. "We practiced this morning in our own gym, which is great, got on the bus and got over her really quickly. It was quicker than I thought it was going to be, too.
"We're just really excited to see what kind of crowd we can get out there."
A couple of wins would make for a nice, short bus ride home on Sunday and give Matta another UD Arena story to tell, along with the one about a last-second, left-handed shot in a Butler uniform.
"Please don't make a big deal out of that," Matta said. "That's my one shining moment in college basketball. We can talk about my high school career. I was a better high school player."


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The Jacksonville Suns and the contractors on the repair and repainting of the Mathews Bridge have reached an agreement to make it easier for fans to get to the Baseball Grounds of Jacksonville for Suns games.
The bridge will remain open both ways until 10:30 p.m. on the first six Friday night games: April 5, April 26, May 10, May 24, June 14 and June 21.
The Mathews will also remain open for opening night on April 4 and on Memorial Day weekend and the Southern Leaguer All-Star Game on July 17.
The $22.7 million repair and repainting program on the Mathews Bridge, which began in September 2011, is scheduled for completion later this summer or early fall, said Mike Goldman, a spokesman for the Florida Department of Transportation.
The Jacksonville Suns are the Double-A Affiliate of the Miami Marlins and are members of the Southern League of Professional Baseball Clubs.


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Leonard Morgan and Edith Cameron
Posted by mikegen48 on June 30, 2013
Leonard Morgan was born in 1789 in Allegheny County, Pennsylvania. He died on 3 Feb 1867 in West Virginia.
Leonard married Edith Cameron in 1809 in Pennsylvania. Edith was born in 1790 in Washington County, Pennsylvania. She died in 1824 in West Virginia.
They had the following children:
Leonard Morgan was born about 1811 in Pennsylvania. He died on 13 Mar 1866 in Tennessee.
Ann Morgan was born in 1814 in Pennsylvania. She died in 1886 in Claiborne County, Tennessee.
Frances Morgan was born in 1817 in Pennsylvania. She died on 20 Apr 1872 in Tennessee.
Martha Morgan was born about 1819 in Pennsylvania. She died in 1893 in Pennsylvania.
Reuben Morgan was born in 1821 in Webster County, West Virginia. He died on 27 Jun 1889 in Tennessee.
Genealogy of Richard Cherry and Elizabeth


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In adapting Agatha Christie's great mystery novel Murder on the Orient Express back in 1974, director Sidney Lumet brought together one of the best casts you could imagine. The credits were filled with great actors, the most notable including Albert Finney, Lauren Bacall, Ingrid Bergman, Jacqueline Bisset, Sean Connery, Anthony Perkins and Vanessa Redgrave. Their combined talents came together to create a memorable, fun thriller, but now Ridley Scott, Simon Kinberg and Mark Gordon have revealed that they believe they have what it takes to stand in that film's shadow. According to The Hollywood Reporter, the three men are now teaming up to produce a brand new adaptation of Christie's classic story.
20th Century Fox is behind the project and is currently searching for writers to adapt the book. In the text, the legendary Detective Hercule Poirot finds himself on a train leaving Istanbul and getting caught up in a grand mystery with a number of colorful characters and suspects. The earlier adaptation earned six Academy Award nominations when it was released and won a Best Supporting Actress trophy for Bergman. In case you're not familiar with the movie, you can watch the original trailer below:
The trade notes that the real Orient Express doesn't actually run anymore, so it's unknown at this time if the project is being planned as a period piece set back in the 1930s or if it will be twisted to take place in modern day.
It should be noted that Scott, Kinberg and Gordon aren't the first producers to try and re-adapt the mystery after Lumet's take. In 2001 there was a TV movie made featuring Alfred Molina as Poirot - though obviously that version didn't exactly earn as much acclaim. Over the years the great detective has been played by many actors in many adaptations of Christie's other works, including performers like Peter Ustinov, Ian Holm and Tony Randall.
All three producers involved with the project have been making headlines as of late. Scott, who just released the critically panned The Counselor, is currently in production on the biblical epic Exodus. Kinberg, meanwhile, just signed a three-year contract with 20th Century Fox to oversee the development of their comic book properties, and Gordon is currently working on the next film in the Narnia franchise, The Silver Chair.
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Personally I love Amarillo but not for bittering additions, I prefer them for late and knockout as well as dry hopping.In fact I'm Brewing up my IPA this weekend which is all Amarillo and Centennial and is a house standard.Have you looked at your water? Perhaps you're not getting a good hoppy beer profile, just a thought since Amarillo is a pretty popular late addition/dry hop.
Is is oxidation? I tried a buddy's cream ale that was oxidized and to me it shows up right at the end as a stale wet newspaper hit.
I've never got that from Amarillo before, however a friend recently brewed an Amarillo IPA that had a strong sweatsock or BO character. A knowledgeable brewer told me that the Amarillo hops seem to be mutating into something different on successive crops, although I have not seen anything published to back that up. Where did you buy your hops?
I bought a few 2 oz bags of whole Amarillo from B3 and used some in an APA no faults, but used some in an adjunct American lager that come to think of it had a faint funky aroma. I thought it was yeast but who knows. I still have 4 oz of Amarillo but they just don't leap out for me. Too many great hops to fart around with less than stellar ones.
I've been getting my Amarillo on for the past couple years with whole cones from Freshops. When I plan my hoppy brews I generally start with an ounce of Amarillo at flameout and in dry hops, then figure out the rest of the recipe after that. I pretty much get a big citrus that isn't quite as grapefruity as Cascade, along with some nice floral highlights. Amarillo is probably one of the top 3 hops in my brewery, I can't get enough of it.