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Example: (mv-let (channel state) (open-input-channel "foo.lisp" :object state) (mv-let (eofp obj state) (read-object channel state) (. . (let ((state (close-input-channel channel state))) (mv final-ans state))..)))Also see file-reading-example.
stream. In ACL2, input and output
are to or from objects called ``channels,'' which are actually
symbols. Although a channel is a symbol, one may think of it
intuitively as corresponding to a Common Lisp stream. Channels are
in one of two ACL2 packages,
"ACL2-INPUT-CHANNEL" and
"ACL2-OUTPUT-CHANNEL". When one ``opens'' a file one gets back
a channel whose
symbol-name is the file name passed to ``open,''
postfixed with
-n, where
n is a counter that is incremented
every time an open or close occurs.
There are three channels which are open from the beginning and which cannot be closed:
acl2-input-channel::standard-character-input-0 acl2-input-channel::standard-object-input-0 acl2-input-channel::standard-character-output-0All three of these are really Common Lisp's
*standard-input* or
*standard-output*, appropriately.
For convenience, three global variables are bound to these rather tedious channel names:
*standard-ci* *standard-oi* *standard-co*Common Lisp permits one to open a stream for several different kinds of
io, e.g. character or byte. ACL2 permits an additional
type called ``object''. In ACL2 an ``io-type'' is a keyword, either
:byte, or
:object. When one opens a file, one specifies
a type, which determines the kind of io operations that can be done
on the channel returned. The types
:character and
:byte are
familiar. Type
:object is an abstraction not found in Common Lisp.
:object file is a file of Lisp objects. One uses
read-object to
read from
:object files and
print-object$ to print to
:object files.
(The reading and printing are really done with the Common Lisp
print functions.)
File-names are strings. ACL2 does not support the Common Lisp type
Here are the names, formals and output descriptions of the ACL2 io functions.
Input Functions: (open-input-channel (file-name io-type state) (mv channel state)) (open-input-channel-p (channel io-type state) boolean) (close-input-channel (channel state) state) (read-char$ (channel state) (mv char/nil state)) (peek-char$ (channel state) boolean) (read-byte$ (channel state) (mv byte/nil state)) (read-object (channel state) (mv eof-read-flg obj-read state))The ``formatting'' functions are particularly useful; see fmt and see cw. In particular,
Output Functions: (open-output-channel (file-name io-type state) (mv channel state)) (open-output-channel-p (channel io-type state) boolean) (close-output-channel (channel state) state) (princ$ (obj channel state) state) (write-byte$ (byte channel state) state) (print-object$ (obj channel state) state) (fms (string alist channel state evisc-tuple) state) (fms! (string alist channel state evisc-tuple) state) (fmt (string alist channel state evisc-tuple) (mv col state)) (fmt! (string alist channel state evisc-tuple) (mv col state)) (fmt1 (string alist col channel state evisc-tuple) (mv col state)) (fmt1! (string alist col channel state evisc-tuple) (mv col state)) (cw (string arg0 arg1 ... argn) nil)
cw prints to a
``comment window'' and does not involve the ACL2
state, so many may
find it easier to use than
fmt and its variants. The functions
fmt!, and
fmt1! are the same as their respective functions
without the ``
!,'' except that the ``
!'' functions are guaranteed to
print forms that can be read back in (at a slight readability cost).
When one enters ACL2 with
(lp), input and output are taken from
*standard-oi* to
*standard-co*. Because these are synonyms for
*standard-input* and
*standard-output*, one can drive ACL2 io off of
arbitrary Common Lisp streams, bound to
*standard-input* and
*standard-output* before entry to ACL2.
By default, symbols are printed in upper case when vertical bars are not required, as specified by Common Lisp. See set-acl2-print-case for how to get ACL2 to print symbols in lower case.
By default, numbers are printed in radix 10 (base 10).See set-acl2-print-base
for how to get ACL2 to print numbers in radix 2, 8, or 16.


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TechCrunch posts a heads up on ActiveCollab, a new open source alternative to popular online project management tool Basecamp, by Web 2.0 poster children 37Signals, and talks about the possible threat to current monopoly and current business model if the software is of high quality.
Personally I think that's bonkers. The assertion that a newly released piece of software that is largely untested in the market will seriously compete with an established player, that has north of 500k subscriptions and growing, needs to be reconsidered.
As an aside – the announcement/blog post in itself is not really that important because it's something that you can just ignore, but what does irritate me somewhat is that TechCrunch is supposed to a pillar and messenger of all the Web 2.0 goodness starting to appear on the net – we rely on TechCrunch for quality information. So why are they posting something like this?
Getting back to the matter at hand, I'm not sure that we can take ActiveCollab seriously for a long time, for several reasons.
Firstly, there is a very fragmented market out there, where the Basecamp and thus 37Signals market is primarily made up of business people who want/need a good affordable tool that just works. Conversely, the ActiveCollab market is going to be primarily technical people who have the skill to install and run an implementation of the software, or DIY people who either enjoy doing it or want to save money.
On that note, the software is written in PHP 5, which most mainstream hosts don't yet support – so even if you wanted to install it you're probably going to have a hassle doing so.
If you do install ActiveCollab and want new features, you'll probably have to upgrade to a newer version – which requires management and further time investment. With Basecamp you get that done for you and since 37Signals is both motivated and financed to do so, chances are you're going to get a better product.
My intention with this post is not to be negative – I applaud the developer and wish him well, but I do ask "where is the value?" and since we're on a Web 2.0 theme here, I extend that to you – if you're developing something along Web 2.0 lines, where are you providing value to your users?
The notion that we can simply build something cool with awesome new technologies and then hope that it will create buzz and catch fire, generating 500k subscribers in the process, needs serious (credit card) testing.
Like ActiveCollab, building something and then offering it for free doesn't seem to be a long term sustainable business model – how do you make money? (especially if you need to make money to survive) – unless of course you're building something simply to show off your skills (which isn't always a bad idea of course).


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None of the riding is particularly difficult and a young family can comfortably ride the trails together. Be sure to take a few spare tubes as some of the track is covered by Matagouri.
From the Lake Emma car park follow the track that skirts Lake Emma and cross the outlet (this can usually be ridden through but depending on height may require wading through slow moving water).
The track then edges around the bottom of Harper Range before following Balmacaan Stream. Ride through the stream at the mouth to the marked trail on the other side & follow it to Lake Camp. You can either return down the same track or take the road back.
NB: The road is a shingle one and in the summer can be quite busy with cars going up to the Lakes for boating and fishing, making it a dusty option and maybe not so safe for young children to ride on.
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The film reunites the entire main cast, led by Harry Connick, Jr., Ashley Judd, Nathan Gamble, Kris Kristofferson, Cozi Zuehlsdorff, Austin Stowell, Austin Highsmith and Oscar winner Morgan Freeman (Million Dollar Baby). The remarkable dolphin Winter returns as herself. Charles Martin Smith, who directed Dolphin Tale, wrote and directed the sequel.
Several years have passed since young Sawyer Nelson (Gamble) and the dedicated team at the Clearwater Marine Aquarium (CMA), headed by Dr. Clay Haskett (Connick, Jr.), rescued Winter, a young dolphin who lost her tail after being entangled in a crab trap. With the help of Dr. Cameron McCarthy (Freeman), who developed a unique prosthetic tail for Winter, they saved her life against all odds. In turn, she helped save the Aquarium—as people came from far and wide to see the courageous dolphin firsthand, enabling CMA to greatly expand their mission to "rescue, rehabilitate and, when possible, release" injured animals.
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Ivory Coast are the first of several nations to secure their place in the play-offs of the African World Cup qualifiers.Yaya Toure scored twice to help give the Elephants a five-point lead over Morocco with only one game left to play. They were on the back foot early on as Amri Kiemba scored for Tanzania just seconds into the match, but Lacina Traore levelled after 13 minutes before Toure put Ivory Coast in front.
Thomas Ulimengu equalised for the hosts in the 35th minute but Toure's second moments before the break gave the visitors the lead at half-time.That one-goal lead stood throughout the second half with Wilfried Bony sealing it in injury time with the fourth.Soon after, Ethiopia joined Ivory Coast in reaching the play-offs with victory over South Africa in the battle of Group A's leading pair.They too had to come from behind after Bernard Parker put South Africa ahead in the 34th minute.
Getaneh Kebede levelled shortly before half-time and an own goal from Parker 20 minutes from time settled it in Ethiopia's favour as they moved five points clear.Egypt are also through from Group G following a 1-0 win over Mozambique which came courtesy of Mohamed Salah's goal five minutes before half-time.Ghana edged into top spot in Group D with a 2-0 victory over Lesotho.Christian Atsu opened the scoring in the final minute of the first half, and Asamoah Gyan made sure in the 75th minute.
The win puts them one point clear of Zambia with one game left to play.Mali's hopes of pipping Algeria to top spot in Group H ended today as while their rivals beat Rwanda, they were held to a surprise 2-2 home draw by Benin.Mali twice fought back from a goal down, goals from Mahamadou Samassa (15, pen) and Cheick Diabate (69) cancelling efforts from Benin duo Stephane Sessegnon (eight minutes) and Razak Omotoyossi (32), but they could not go on to force a winner as they fell four points behind Algeria.
In Group J, Senegal returned to top spot as a brace from Papiss Cisse earned them a 2-0 win at Liberia.The Newcastle striker opened the scoring from the penalty spot in the 19th minute and then doubled his account nine minutes into the second half as Senegal moved a point above Uganda, who beat beat Angola yesterday.
Also today, Group B winners Tunisia were held to 1-1 draw away to Equatorial Guinea, the hosts taking a 30th-minute lead through Juvenal's penalty only for visiting playmaker Oussama Darragi to level things up with another spot-kick in the 64th minute. In Group G, Guinea beat Zimbabwe to move on to 10 points but they cannot catch first-placed Egypt.


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So Wirth-Liss came up with a patient assistance program, where the patient gets $600/year covered by the insurance company, to help lessen the cost burden. Their idea was that this way more patients could afford the drug, so more doctors would order it. I can see the logic.
But the implementation left much to be desired.
Some company genius, with apparently no grasp of reality or human nature, decided the best way to do this was to send every person who qualified for the plan a prepaid credit card with $600 on it. The idea was that Mr. Patient would hand it to the doctor's staff at each visit, it would be swiped for $50 each time, and at the end of the year the card would be empty.
Unfortunately, it didn't occur to them to lock-out the accounts so that they could only be used at a doctor's office...
Basically, they sent patients pre-paid giftcards with $600 on them.
Of course, given human nature, most patients saw this as a windfall, and went on spending sprees. They bought groceries, beer, clothes, toys, a tank of gas, whatever.
Then, when it was time to go to the doctor, they didn't have any money left for the drug. So they opted not to receive it. So the drug wasn't given, and Wirth-Liss Pharmaceuticals, Inc. wasn't able to bill an insurance company for it. And, in fact, they now had a new corporate loss of $600 per irresponsible patient.
Of course, the patients thought this was grossly unfair. They couldn't understand why they couldn't have the drug, when, after all, they'd qualified for the assistance program. The fact that they'd blown their co-pay was beside the point. They also didn't see why they now had to pay cash for the co-pay, since the program person told them they wouldn't have to.
And, of course, they wanted another card.
When the above was explained to them, suddenly they remembered they'd never received the $600 drug card, or it had been stolen, or they hadn't seen it since an alien abduction on the way home from Las Vegas.
The program has since been replaced with one where the card can only be used at a specific doctor's office.
The executive behind it, I hope, has been canned.
The drug reps have the difficult job of explaining the program changes, and why they were made, to doctors and their staffs. Who are laughing hysterically.


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Rihanna + Chris Brown to Reunite Onstage in Australia
Rumors have been rampant for months that Rihanna and Chris Brown are reuniting in the romantic realm, which only grew louder when they collaborated on remixes for RiRi's 'Birthday Cake' and Brown's 'Turn Up the Music.' Now, whispers are abuzz that the pair will reunite onstage Down Under.
The duo are both slated to appear at SupaFest in Brisbane, Australia on April 14. "It's a definite possibility," a source revealed. "But it won't be decided until the last minute." Brown is headlining the festival, which also features Diddy, Lupe Fiasco, Ludacris, Trey Songz and T-Pain. Rihanna will be in Australia for her April 10 Sydney premiere of 'Battleship,' so proximity is playing a role in the decision.
The report suggests that Rihanna and Brown's teams want any potential onstage duets to take place outside of the U.S. This may be an effect of Jay-Z's influence, as RiRi's mentor has been disapproving of the former couple's collabos from the start.
Rihanna spoke out recently on working with Breezy. "I reached out to him about doing 'Birthday Cake' because that's the only person that really – it made sense to do the record, just as a musician. Despite everything else, that was going to be the person," she said. "I thought about rappers, and I've done that so many times, and the hottest R&B artist out right now is Chris Brown. So I wanted him on the track, and then in turn he was like, 'Why don't you do the remix to my track?' and it was a trade off. We did two records. One for my fans. One for his fans, and that way our fans can come together. There shouldn't be a divide. It's music, and it's innocent."
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For our annual Valentine's Day camping adventure this year, Derek and I headed north of Calistoga for a weekend full of hot springs, sweaty saunas, relaxing massages and hours of yoga. It was the kind of place that made you embarrassed that you'd ever bought anything with a name brand or professed to like refined sugar.
We stayed in this weirdly futuristic looking dome tent cabin in the middle of the woods.
There was a little disconnect, because when you walk inside the dome tent of the future, the first thing you see is a headboard of the 90's.
It still made for a perfect spot to nap.
Happy Valentine's Day!
Monday, February 13, 2012
The Future of Camping
5 comments:
- Senja said...
such an awesome adventure!
- February 14, 2012 at 10:12 AM
- Robyn Kessler said...
i would have prefered you made this year's heart out of headboard scraps, but other than that it looks very wonderful.
- February 14, 2012 at 9:06 PM
- bex said...
Dangit. I missed a golden opportunity. That heart would have been the most meaningful of valentines.
- February 15, 2012 at 4:30 PM
- Alison said...
oh man! you guys are the coolest married couple ever!
- February 23, 2012 at 9:57 PM
- bex said...
If that were true, Alison, we'd be wearing matching pants/tie/dress combos with longhorn steer printed on them. Let's be honest.
- February 24, 2012 at 3:09 PM
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One of the most sensitive targets of environmental toxicants is the early stage embryo. Prior to understanding the mechanisms by which environmental toxicants affect the embryos, researchers must first understand the mechanisms which control embryonic development, making the study of concerted gene function very important.
Developmental processes of vertebrate embryos are regulated, at least in part, by secretory molecules such as growth factors. The focus of the studies in the Molecular Developmental Biology group is on the function of BMPs during mouse development. BMPs are members of the Transforming Growth Factor-b (TGF-β) superfamily and were discovered by their ectopic bone-forming ability. However, recent findings demonstrate that BMPs have pleiotropic functions during embryogenesis, ranging from pattern formation to organogenesis. Extensive studies in humans have also revealed that mutations in BMP ligands, receptors and signaling molecules are involved in the pathogenesis of chondrodysplasia, hypertension and tumorigenesis. Members of the group are interested in understanding the roles that BMPs play in three major areas of embryogenesis: mineralized tissues, neural and neural crest-derived tissues, and body plan formation.
Early embryonic lethality is a problem that group members have encountered in BMP ligand and receptor mutant mice generated by regular gene disruption methods. Because of this problem, the Cre/loxP system was used to produce conditional (tissue-specific) gene mutations. The group's research approaches should provide valuable insights into how the developmental processes in mineralized tissue, neural tissue and mesodermal tissue involved in body plan formation are regulated by growth factor signaling. The results of these studies may lead to the development of new ways of diagnosing and treating diseases and conditions such as osteoporosis, neural tube defects and failure in body plan pattern formation such as occurs in situs inversus.
The underlying hypothesis of the group's research is that BMP signaling plays a critical role during the formation and maintenance of these tissues and alteration of BMP signaling causes malformation of the tissues. Successful alteration in the function of BMP-related genes—ligands, receptors, signaling molecules and downstream target genes—in a tissue- and stage-specific manner will lead to a greater understanding and a potential cure for diseases or lesions in the tissues of interest.
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replaced by
(? v).
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up to 4 guests
2 rooms
1 bedroom
1 bathroom
Distance to centre closeby
Distance to ski / mountain lift 3 km
Proximity to public transport 200 m
Pets allowed
Non smoking
Accommodation alert
2-room apartment 27 to 35 m2. Simple and rustic furnishings: entrance hall. 1 double bedroom. Kitchen-/living room (2 hot plates, electric coffee machine) with 1 double sofabed and cable TV. Shower/WC, sep. WC. Facilities: hair dryer. Internet (WiFi, free). Please note: non-smoking house. 1 pet/ dog allowed.House/Residence
Piesendorf 6 km from Kaprun: Child friendly, rustic apartment block "Mariandl's Appartment", 3 storeys. 10 apartments in the property. In the centre of Piesendorf. For shared use: table tennis. In the house: lounge. Motor access to the house. Parking at the house. Grocery 200 m, supermarket 2 km, restaurant, bar 50 m, bakery 100 m, café 50 m, bus stop 200 m, outdoor swimming pool 300 m. Ski lift 3 km, slopes 3 km, ski bus stop 200 m. Nearby attractions: Krimmler Wasserfälle, Großglockner Hochalpenstrasse, Eisriesenwelt in Werfen, Maiskogelbahn mit Maisflitzer, Nationalparkzentrum. Please note: ski bus (free of charge). Free ski bus service to the ski region Zell am See. The catalogue photo is just an example. Included in the Fun Card: free entry to the pool Hinkelstein and Lake Niedernsill, family day hiking program for children, archery, 10% discount on admission to the Kaprun spa, 10% discount at ski school located 200 m.
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757 - 3'029 m a.s.l. >>The Region of Zell am See-Kaprun-Bruck is stunningly located, surrounded by impressive mountains (3000m) and the majestic lake Zeller. A holiday paradise for summer and winter. Idyllic, family-friendly holiday centre directly by the lake, 80 km south from Salzburg. In the resort: bar, disco, concerts, cinema. Indoor aquatic centre, fitness centre, sauna, solarium, massage. More possibilities.Summer
Bathing lake. Heated outdoor swimming pool. Diving, sailing, surfing, sailing school, water skiing, canoeing. Tennis, golf course 18 hole in Zell am See. Riding. Fishing. Summer skiing in Kaprun-Kitzsteinhorn. Paragliding, summer tobbogan run, long 1.6 km in Saalfelden 14 km total 9 mountain lifts and cableways. Hiking paths, mountain hikes, climbing. Bicycle paths, mountain bike routes, bicycles and mountain bikes for hire.Winter
130kms of ski runs. Calais 1144 km. Planned dates for 2007/8: resort opens 24 Nov 2007. Resort closes: 13 Apr 2008. Ski-region Europa Sportregion, total of 56 lifts. Snow park. Ski school, children's ski school, ski kindergarten. 20 km cross country ski tracks in the region (6 km illuminated), winter walking paths 50 km. Toboggan runs. Ice rink, 6 courts indoor tennis centre. Ski bus (free of charge).
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Neo4j 2.0.0-RC1 – Final preparations
Cypher Syntax – finishing touches
MATCH with properties
MERGE for relationships
Simpler syntax for MERGE ON MATCH and ON CREATE
Caution: manual upgrade between milestones
Breaking changes
textual status codes, which alter the error response from the transactional endpoint
clean-up of deprecated APIs
removal of reference node ( use labels instead )
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Is it now possible to automatically upgrade a 1.9 database to a 2.0 databaase?
Was it really necessary to downright disallow the "old" optional match?

That's a lot of queries that I have to update now.
Is this tagged in git? I don't see the tag.
Nevermind, I'm just stupid
Hi Jan!

It was necessary for the new 2.0 syntax, as the old ? operator relied on the presence of the START clause to determine which end of the pattern was optional. Without having a START clause, we can't work that out anymore.

However, you can always prefix your queries with 'CYPHER 1.9 ', and you'll be able to continue using the same queries as before
Ooooh, nice! I like MATCH with properties 🙂
he devil is in the detail ..

when doing exactly as described in the manual 2.0.0 M06 to 2.0.0 RC1 upgrade, things go wrong, because

$ rm -rf schema/label

should be followed by

$ cd ../..
Cool , even this works

match (a)-[r:hasParent* {hierarchy:"SomeHierarchy"}]-> (b) return a.name,b.name
The shortestPath function is only returning 16 nodes at a time, no matter where in the graph I start. Is this a bug?

Here is the query:

START s=node(0), n=node(*)
MATCH p=shortestPath((s)-[*]->(n:label))
RETURN length(p), id(n), n.property
ORDER BY length(p) asc
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Lot Area (sqm): 65.00
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- L55 B5, Tierra Benita Subd., Bgy. Muzon, San Jose Del Monte, Bulacan
Complete Property Details
- Property Source: Asia United Bank (Updated as of OCTOBER-4-2017 )
- Property Type: Res-Vacant Lot
- Lot Area (sqm): 65.00
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- Indicative Price (PHP): 162,500.00
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SELLER reserves the right to reject any or all offers. The decision of SELLER shall be final and binding
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Mobile Nos.: 0998-845-1405 (Smart) 0917-841-3585 (Globe)
Source: Hazel Balaquiot – ROPA-Remedial Department, Asia United Bank
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Suzuki Grand Vitara vs Subaru Forester vs Hyundai Santa Fe vs Jeep Liberty vs Ford Escape vs Saturn
I've started this topic after reading the topics
on other small SUVs. I've found there to be a lot
of comparisons, and I think it makes sense to have
a few on your shopping list before you fall in love
with one of them and sign away your check. Lucky
us, we have several choices today.
Personally, I favor the Santa Fe because it has
the most bang for the buck. It also feels the most
upscale among the three models, in terms of NVH
damping, sophisticated exterior and interior
styling, ride comfort, and lots of gizmos. In
short, it feels more expensive than what you have
to pay for; the sound of the door thud resembles an
upscale German sedan for example.
The Tribute is definitely for the sporting crowd.
Corners, accelerates, stops well for an SUV. But
at the same time stiffer ride and subpar
fit-and-finish penalize its advantages. Also
reliability is a question mark, with numerous
recalls since it hit the market. Room and utility
are comparable to the Santa Fe.
Finally, the Forester is also a good choice
although it is definitely a 'box on
wheels'(translation: homely). The Forester sits
lower than the other two models, giving it an
advantage in handling, but frankly I think it
defeats the purpose of owning an SUV if you have to
do without the commanding view offered by the
higher stance. There are better choices out there
if you opt for an AWD wagon (VW Passat, or even
Subaru's own Outback) that sits low, handles
better, and is more sophisticated. Also the
Forester cannot be had with a V6.
To wrap it up, I'd choose the Santa Fe for
comfort, value and a dose of luxury, or the Tribute
for sporting light off-track duties on the
weekends (although I'd keep a cellphone handy in
case of mechanical failure), or the Subaru for its
proven reliablity and longevity.
on other small SUVs. I've found there to be a lot
of comparisons, and I think it makes sense to have
a few on your shopping list before you fall in love
with one of them and sign away your check. Lucky
us, we have several choices today.
Personally, I favor the Santa Fe because it has
the most bang for the buck. It also feels the most
upscale among the three models, in terms of NVH
damping, sophisticated exterior and interior
styling, ride comfort, and lots of gizmos. In
short, it feels more expensive than what you have
to pay for; the sound of the door thud resembles an
upscale German sedan for example.
The Tribute is definitely for the sporting crowd.
Corners, accelerates, stops well for an SUV. But
at the same time stiffer ride and subpar
fit-and-finish penalize its advantages. Also
reliability is a question mark, with numerous
recalls since it hit the market. Room and utility
are comparable to the Santa Fe.
Finally, the Forester is also a good choice
although it is definitely a 'box on
wheels'(translation: homely). The Forester sits
lower than the other two models, giving it an
advantage in handling, but frankly I think it
defeats the purpose of owning an SUV if you have to
do without the commanding view offered by the
higher stance. There are better choices out there
if you opt for an AWD wagon (VW Passat, or even
Subaru's own Outback) that sits low, handles
better, and is more sophisticated. Also the
Forester cannot be had with a V6.
To wrap it up, I'd choose the Santa Fe for
comfort, value and a dose of luxury, or the Tribute
for sporting light off-track duties on the
weekends (although I'd keep a cellphone handy in
case of mechanical failure), or the Subaru for its
proven reliablity and longevity.
So, in other words, the ultimate small SUV would be made by Hyundai (to include all the bells and whistles, outstanding warranty, and "upscale" look for a small price), it would have the suspension, steering, and brakes from the Tribute (for the sporty handling and great braking numbers) and it would have the engine, transmission, and AWD system from the H6 Subaru Outback (for proven reliability and power).
I think I would buy a car with that composition as well!0
e_l_green Posts: 30Note that "commanding seating position" is not a virtue. I have rolled a truck with a "commanding seating position" while avoiding a deer on the road, and can attest that it is NOT a fun experience. Or do you think that spending a week sore and bruised, with a wrist in a cast for six weeks and with cracked ribs for three months (for the first month I could not even sleep through the night without heavy pain medication, because every little movement in my sleep would make my cracked ribs hurt and wake me up, leaving me exhausted for the next day), is "fun"? Thank god for seat belts, and thank god that my Ford Ranger's roof was stronger than average for pickups and SUV's!
Any tall, boxy vehicle with a high seating position will roll over if you ask it to do energetic accident-avoidance maneuvers. That is why the Santa Fe and Tribute have stickers on the driver's side sunvisor saying as much. That is also one reason why I bought my Subaru Forester. In crash tests it out-performed every competitor, and with its low center of gravity it is unlikely to roll over when doing energetic maneuvers (and in fact does not have said sticker on its sun visor). Its performance off-road is mediocre -- it isn't going to run the Rubicon anytime soon -- but my Forester has proven quite capable at taking me up rough forest service roads to trailheads, which is as off-road as I (or most people) get with an SUV.
If you want REAL off-road capability, buy a Jeep Cherokee. It does not have the "commanding tall seating position" that you mention, but has off-road capabilities that make all such cars look ridiculously pretentious. A stock Cherokee, properly equipped, will run the Rubicon without a problem, despite the seating position not being 20 inches above the ground, and despite a low center of gravity (due to the unibody construction) that makes it unlikely to roll (and in fact the Cherokee has very good rollover ratings in the Insurance Institute's statistics).
Of course, you give up on-road ride and handling with the Cherokee, plus a lot of gas mileage (the I6 is powerful but very thirsty), but you gotta decide what you want. Personally, I decided I did not need such extreme off-road capabilities, and bought an SUV that was what I needed -- something to get me to a trailhead, without the sacrifices in on-road capabilities of a REAL off-road vehicle.
I am sorry to hear about your personal ordeal. I hope you've fully recovered.
You are absolutely right in saying that any car with a lower center of gravity can be a much safer choice than a top-heavy SUV.
However, it is also a reality that many buyers of SUVs choose it because it has that "commanding view" enabled by the high seating position. Just imaging getting stuck in traffic with a behemoth SUV or minivan in front of you while you're sitting in a Honda Civic. It's unfortunate that America's become an SUV nation, but that's a reality. And I am not here to promote people to snap up the SUVs and abandon their cars.
Nor do I condone the ever-growing size and thirst of the behemoth SUVs that are driven by a single driver during commuting hours.
But the marketing reality is that the mainstream SUV buyers favor the high seating position as well as the all-weather versatility and utility. Add to that the fervent pitch by manufacturers to project the romantic image of an active lifestyle of their potential customers.
Given the circumstances, we should push for safer, more frugal SUVs cause SUVs will be around as long as people will buy them and gas is affordable. And in this context, I think small SUVs, driven with care makes a lot of sense.
And ofcourse people who are concerned about the rollover potential have the choice to go for the likes of Forester or other AWD wagons. People vote with their checkbooks in this market economy, and as long as SUV's are "in" it's not easy to tell them otherwise. Under the circumstances, i think the Santa Fe and Tribute/Escape are viable options; not too big, thoroughly modern, relatively good MPG, smooth V6. I like the Forester as well.
By the way the Jeep Cherokee is aimed at a different category of customers altogether. It's more of a down-to-earth, hard core SUV that attracts different crowd than the mainstream buyers who opt for crossover vehicles.
Finally, it's important that the public be educated on the risks associated with driving SUVs. I've seen too many devil-may-care reckless driving by SUV owners who think they're invincible. Unless the federal law mandates that SUV drivers need to go through a series of tougher driver ed courses and training to obtain a separate drivers' license, we have to share the road with some of the idiots.
The educated buyer however has a choice in terms of safety, economy, fun factor, etc., and we should honor that freedom of choice.0
p0926 Posts: 4,423First off I'll admit that I'm biased since I'm a Forester owner. However, here's my take on the Forester:
Handling: Best of the 3
Accelerating & braking: comparable even though the Forester is the only one with a 4-cylinder
Interior room: The Forester has as much as or more front seat room than either the Santa Fe or Tribute
Appearance/Styling: This is a purely subjective field but I'll grant you that many people find the Forester's looks less than exciting.
Reliability: Subaru has established a reputation of building extremely reliable vehicles. On the other hand, both the Santa Fe and Tribute are first year models with all the inherent potential design flaws. As an example of this, the Tribute/Escape is all ready on recall #6. While Hyundai has a completely deserved reputation of building junk. Of course they are working diligently to change that as evidenced by the length of their warranties.
Cost: Equipped comparably, all are in the same ballpark.
Just my .02
-Frank P.0
plaaaaane Posts: 32I was on the IIHS web site today trying to find any kind of onfo on the Santa Fe, (None), but I came across a link to statistics on injuries and thefts.
I thought it nice that Forester is much better than average on injuries. I must admit I giggled when I saw its MUCH better on theft! No kid wants to go joyriding in something that looks like that I guess. I think in both cases that is a great plus. It must be good on insurance costs.
Had my first Sube in '76. A DL I believe. And so far it looks like the only one to get for safety and bumper durability...... and theft resistance.
rsholland Posts: 19,788The reason the Forester does better in terms of injuries, is the fact that it is a car (according to the EPA) and not an SUV or truck, and, unlike the Escape, Tribute and Santa Fe, must meet the tougher safety standards that all cars must meet.
bobmazda Posts: 4Tribute with a few recalls which by the way mine has zero pending...is loved by our family...glad we got it. Last Mazda gave us 188K of great service.0
hciaffa Posts: 454We purchased our Forester in 99. Unlike the other sites that people sugar coat the Forester, I tend to be frank about ours. We have had nothing but problems with ours since the second week of ownership. The auto tranny went and had to be dismantled and bebuilt, you think they would have given us a new tranny. The brakes squeal, moan and growl, they are soft and spongy feeling which does not give a re-assuring feeling when stopping. Many other Forester owners have noticed this as well. Our Forester not only pings when accelerating but there is a nasty pinging, rattling sound when we de-accelerate, funny I had the service manger take a ride and he heard it but when I brought it in for service they could not duplicate it so no service was done. The gas milage is terrible. Grant you the sticker said 23/27 but we average 16-17 in the city and 19-21 on the highway and we are not heavy footed drivers. Right know I am doing a gas survey for Subaru, they want to gather info, but from my central CT. dealer I get that its normal. I have tried different octanes as well as brands but the result is always the same. I bought this vehicle for the AWD that its known for and for my wifes assurance while driving in foul weather. Right now as it stand that if this problem continues we might purchase a Santa Fe after the warranty expires.0
kennyh2 Posts: 9I buy a car about every 7-10 years, so I am certainly not an impulse buyer. Therefore, before buying the Sante Fe, we researched ... and researched and researched. Bottem line: If you want a car-based SUV that looks and feels great, is well equipped, looks compact on the road but mid-sized from the inside, and is moderately priced, the Santa Fe is a very good choice. But, you must be able to live without a hard charging engine (but one that is adequate enough). We came mightly close to buying the Tribute/Escape, but after just a little internet research, the multitude of horror stories scared us off. On the other hand, both the professional and consumer reviews of the Santa Fe were universally strong. We were (and are) somewhat concerned about the "first year model" factor, but Hyundai's bold warrenty got over that hump. Price? We got a heck of a deal - about $19,500 +fees & tax for the GLS V-6 two-wheel drive model, with a few added accessories. (and like I said, it comes well equipped anyway - cruise, CD player, split rear seats, etc). We are getting a lot of compliments, noticing a few turned heads -- and the best part: we are very happy with our decision. My two-bits....0
joinmi Posts: 2I am down to deciding between Tribute and Santa Fe. I am looking for info on the 4WD systems. Tribute appears to really be an all wheel drive system that can be locked in to keep the power from shifting back to the front wheels. Is the Santa Fe system similar, or is it true full time 4-wheel drive. Also, for those with experience with the Tribute, I am wondering if the automatic transmission shift on the drive column is a constant annoyance or if you get used to it. The thing is so long I almost knocked the one I test drove out of gear trying to operate the radio. Input is appreciated.0
I'm glad to see there are other like minded people out there. As much as the Scoobie Forester was a great value, ride and AWD (it's awesome), I just couldn't get comfortable in the seat. My dog just barely fit (height-wise).
I finally found a Tribute, they're selling like mad in Chicago, and took a test drive. A Dx-V6. The seating was ok, but the driving in snow condition was a little sketchy. I'm a competent off-roader, and I know this vehicle is not for off-road, I have a Cherokee for that. But the tires are mediocre and the traction was mediocre. (No ABS) I did not get stuck, but slipped alot. I engaged the diff lock and it was a bit better. I did not get stuck but when I used the brakes, the sliding distance was not comforting. (Kudos to the Suby's AWD)
I then went and test drove the Santa Fe GLS for the second time and found that despite the sluggish start, which doesn't bother me, the handling was better in 6-8" deep snow covered road. The tires are better and I gave it a good slalom on a close by forest-preserve road. It slipped a little bit but it didn't worry me. The sporty feel was good and the road handling was good also. During the slalom test the vehicle did not rock or tip, like a cherokee does.
I'm somewhat apprehensive about the Hyundai name.
But you know Honda and Toyota did't get off to a great start either in the U.S.
Although here's some food for thought. Look and touch (push) the front and rear bumpers, and front wheel panels of both Santa Fe and Tribute. All three features on the Tribute were soft and weak. I checked each on the Santa Fe and they were appreciably stonger. Now I'm no crash test scientist, but I suspect I'd put my money on the Sante Fe when the test results come out. (Can you tell I was on the web for too long looking at crash stats). No stats on the Sante Fe or Tribute yet.
My biggest obstacle right now with the Sante Fe is that the rear seats do not fold flat. My 110 lb. dog was not too happy about that, even though he fit just fine in the cargo area. (I've got two dogs).
Good reviews on the WEB for both.
I suspect I'll be making my decision after the first of the year.0
kostamojen Posts: 55Ive been out car window shoping as I always do but anyway, just 2 days ago, we were at the local Mazda/Subaru dealer (Yup, same place) and I sat in both the Forester and the Tribute again (I wanted a better look at the Tribute, and I always sit in all the cars on the lot )...
And anyway, after sitting in several other models (Protege, MPV, Impreza, Legacy) I then sat in the Tribute... I was horendusly suprised to find the interior pannels to be extremely flimsily put together... So I sat in another model, top of the line w/ leather this time... Same thing... Then another... Same thing... This bothered me tremendously.
So then of course, i went and sat in the Forester... Nothing flimsy there. Lackluster maybe (tribute was more so IMO), but not flimsy. And considering the Recalls, perhaps the Tribute is a rather poor put together vehicle...
And a couple months ago, I was able to check out the Santa Fe. Guess where? Maita Subaru/Hyandai where my mom got her Legacy GT Sedan I found the price of the Santa Fe apealing, especially for having a V6 + 4WD (Definatly the lowest price for that, Tribute/Escapes get in the $22k+ range, and the Rav4 w/ 4x4 = $21k plus, all with less features than the Santa Fe...) I was also suprized at the Hyandai build quality, definatly a step up for them. Hyandai also has their new DX something orether thats a rather upscale Sedan... I doubt we can consider the "new" Hyandai to be so... Lackluster, no?
Anyway, on to a more comprehesive comparison-
Looks: Definatly the Tribute wins this, with the bulbous Santa Fe coming in dead last... (PS, check out a black Forester S with a Spoiler... Thats pretty sweet looking!)
Off-road ability: Not the forester... But none of these are major Off-roaders. ANY road maybe, but not off-the road (PS, Subaru's AWD is a big plus in "Real Life" conditions. Also note: Subaru's outstanding Rally racing reputation)
Ground Clearance: This is pretty suprizing... 8.4 (higher trim Tributes), 8.1 (Santa Fe) and 7.5 (Forester)... Despite the Forester's small stature and lack of "view height" it still compromizes little in ride height (Also note: Outbacks have like 6.5 inch ground clearance, and the Impreza's have 5+ inch ground clearance... Go look under the car's if you have a chance, its neat)
Quality: Subaru wins this one. Foresters have very good reliability, as do all current Subaru models. Tribute bottems this group, but I havent heard anything bad about the Santa Fe yet...
Fuel Mileage: Subaru wins this one too, not by much though... (like 21/28 vs. 19/23 (SF v6) and 19/24 (Tri V6))
Warranty: Duh, Hyandai!
On-road Performance: Forester... Better turning radius, lower center of gravity, and suprizingly good car-like handling put it at the top still... Despite the Tributes faster 0-60 time.
Cargo room: 33.1 Tribute, 32 Forester, 30.5 Santa Fe
Weight: 3200lbs Forester, 3400lbs Tribute (V6 4x4), 3700lbs Santa Fe (V6 4x4)
Price: Santa fe wins this easy... V6+4wd for #21k... But the Forester is right there, minus the V6 (Note, Foresters boxer 4 = 165hp, its no slouch, and its rather light as well) Tribute takes 22k+ for the same ammenities. (Check Carpoint.com, its easier to tell than Edmunds)
Final Analysis: This one goes down to Personal Opinion purely... Best Price + V6 + Warranty for the Santa fe? Or, Better Reliability + Better Mileage + Proven Subaru AWD? Or More interior room + More HP + Higher ride height?
After going over these stats, the Santa Fe has re-caught my attention. But the Forester still holds the candle IMO... Tribute would easily be my favorite, if not for the shoddy build quality, uncomfortable interior, and very bad reliability problems so far...0
doverly Posts: 2I had been following the Tribute on the Mazda web site for 9 months when they finally hit the dealerships. I was convinced it was the vehicle for me. Test drove it and loved it--except the gear shift lever drove me crazy--awkward and an eye sore. Couldn't get one ready built with my options, so I was holding out. Dealers said they were selling faster than they could get them, which is why they claim they had only a few. However, I wasn't seeing any out on the road. Then I came to Edmunds and read about all of the problems and stop sales, and I think this is the real reason they don't have any on the lots. I felt like the Mazda dealerships (I visited about 6)were very underhanded about the whole thing--never giving me a straight answer. I saw a commercial for the manta be (didn't even know it existed), went and tested it. At first I wasn't sure because I had been set on the Tribute for so long, I couldn't get out of that mind set. I bounced back and forth, testing both vehicles a multiple of times. The Mazda dealerships looked at me like I was speaking in Korean when I said I was also looking at the SantaFe. The ones who would admit that they knew what a Santa Fe was would only say "Well, the SantaFe doesn't compare to the Tribute!" (They could give me no substantiation for that claim). The Hyundai dealers were extremely professional and knew all about the Tribute and could tell me point by point what was better about their Santa Fe. Bottom line, I bought a Santa Fe over Thanksgiving weekend and I love it!! Several factors: I felt that the interior appointments on the Santa Fe were much better than Tribute--styling and attention to detail, more luxurious. The gear shift is on the floor, so it's not in the way. It came with heated seats, (don't laugh--if you live in a cold climate or you've ever ridden in a car that has them--they're a must!). Little things--the visors in the Mazda seemed cheap, mirrors didn't light up, they do on the SantaFe. I love the way the SantaFe rear hatch is so easy to open. Center arm rest in the back seat of the SantaFe.
Hidden cargo storage compartment. 4 wheel drive automatically engages (I think on the Tribute you have to engage it yourself.) I could go on and on. All in all, I felt the Hyundai was sturdier, better built and was more stylish inside and out. The Tribute looks so plain and boxy to me now, so much like the CRV. I have 1700 miles on my SantaFe, no problems at all, and it drives beautifully. The engine starts off slowly when it's been sitting overnight in 20 degree temps, but it heats up fast and can really sail. I got the LX with heated seats, floor mats, roof rack rails, etc. for $24,400 out the door (DC area.-College Park Hyundai) Downside: no sun roof, although I can have one installed privately for $895 with lifetime warranty, and no cassette in radio. Don't count it out because it's a Hyundai, it defies any prior opinion you've had or heard before!! People who stop and ask me about it (and I have had MANY) "can't believe it's a Hyundai!" P.S. The rear seats DO fold down Sliwinski1, so there should be plenty of room for pooch (what made you think that they didn't?)0
ruteger Posts: 60Under normal driving circumstances, the Tribute/Escape 4WD system engages exactly the same as the Forester/Santa Fe in that the computer automatically senses torque slippage and controls how the power is applied to which wheels. On dry pavement, the split is something like 90% drive to the front wheels/10% to the rear. The 4WD switch on the dash of the Tribute/Escape is for *locking* the 4WD into a 50/50 drive split. This is why the switch says 'LOCK' on it.
This is a nice feature to have if you get stuck because you can control how the traction is applied to all four wheels. If you don't have this, like on the Forester or Santa Fe, you can get stuck because traction will be applied by the computer to the wheel that is free. You'll sit and spin, just like an open differential 2WD car.
The only problem is exactly what's happening now. Uninformed consumers think that the switch on the dash is required to get 4WD on the Escape/Tribute. They're going to be locking the 4WD unnecessarily and it's going to cause damage to the system if it is engaged all the time, meaning warranty repairs. I can foresee Ford/Mazda eliminating the switch in the near future, and it's too bad, because it's a good feature to have.0
Ruteger, you're right about the lock switch on the Tribute. When I test drove the Tribute, I knew about this feature. When I drove around their snow filled parking lot with the lock off, the Tribute struggled and slipped in the 5-7" of snow. Now I know this is not a off-road SUV, and I engaged the differential lock to get equal push from both axels. It still was slippy although it got me through without a problem. I also know that even the Cherokee with its low gear 4WD can get stuck. And you are right that if the uninformed consumer left the lock on they may cause problems. However, I have heard that uninformed consumers also leave their 4WD on in larger SUV's when their not supposed to. I guess the dealer should take some time to explain this.
I would like to say that probably all the people that have been posting here have done too much research (as I have) and are cautious and informed consumers.
Nonetheless, I still prefer the Santa Fe. No switch, no lock, but I won't be taking it in areas where I would get stuck. If I end up driving off a the side of a highway and can't get out. I suspect the Tribute wont be able to get out either... they both do not have low end range and torque is only good at high RPM's.0
Ruteger, your right about the lock switch on the Tribute. When I test drove the Tribute, I knew about this feature. When I drove around their snow filled parking lot, the Tribute struggled and slipped in the 5-7" of snow. Now I know this is not a off-road SUV, and I engaged the differential lock to get equal push from both axels. It still was slippy although it got me through without a problem. I also know that even the Cherokee with its low gear 4WD can get stuck. And you are right that if the uninformed consumer left the lock on they may cause problems. However, I have heard that uninformed consumers also leave their 4WD on in larger SUV's when their not supposed to. I guess the dealer should take some time to explain this.
I would like to say that probably all the people that have been posting here have done too much research (as I have) and are cautious and informed consumers.
Nonetheless, I still prefer the Santa Fe. No switch, no lock, but I won't be taking it in areas where I would get stuck. If I end up driving off a the side of a highway and can't get out. I suspect the Tribute wont be able to get out either... they both do not have low end range and torque is only good at high RPM's.0
pdebuse Posts: 1Ruteger, to my understanding the Santa Fe has an option for an ABS/traction control that would provide a similar type of traction that the Escape/Tribute has without the switch. When a wheel slips it is detected and the brakes are applied to stop the slipage which transfers the torque to the other wheels that have traction. Kind of like a limited slip differential but done through the braking system.0
ddeemo Posts: 8Here is an article comparing the Escape to the Santa Fe, note versions compared and prices are in Canadian Dollars.
kens Posts: 5,869Actually, with automatic tranny Subarus, you can get the drivetrain split power 50/50 if the gear selector is in 1, 2 or Reverse.
Also, the manual tranny Subarus default power split is 50/50.0
currey: rumors abound, but it could get a light-pressure turbo 2.5l with over 200hp, a 2.0l turbo with 240+hp, or the 212hp H6 from the LL Bean and VDC. I'd gladly take any one of those!
Some also say it may be based on the Legacy platform instead of the Impreza, but I don't think it will. It'll probably get a stretch in the wheelbase, and maybe the rear multilink suspension from the new Legacy, so interior room will increase.
The big question is, can they do it without gaining 400 lbs?
Maybe they'll even style it more toward the tastes of folks like Bill, who knows. I have not seen any spy photos yet. The current one is very much function-over-form. Despite being light and small, the usable cargo room offered is better than several bigger SUVs.
Will it get taller? Maybe a little, but not much. Subaru uses the low center of gravity in its advertising. It probably will get a seat mechanism like the new Impreza, which ratchets. It's kind of like the one in newer VWs.
Should be interesting. You have to remember, the Forester, competitive as it is, is in its last year on the current platform. It's already the 5th model year!
The manual switch that locks the differential on the Tribute to 50/50 is only effective at low speeds. Once the vehicle gets up over 18 mph it shuts out the electronic clutch that is engaged by the switch and goes back to normal operation (i.e. 100% FWD until wheel slip occurs and then power is re directed rearward for traction).0
Earlier this week my wife and I picked up her new 2001 Subaru Forester S. I wanted to take a moment to share how pleased I was with this decision, and the positive buying experience involved. A couple of months ago I set out looking for a replacement for my wife's 1992 Honda Accord EX Wagon -- which has served us (and our two young sons, now ages 10 and 8) extremely well through 220,000 miles. We were looking to buy outright again, and the buying criteria was clear. In priority order, it was: reliability, safety -- based largely on all-wheel drive and air bags offered, cargo space, gas mileage, key features that had to include among other things a moonroof and leather interior, and price. Based on this, another Honda Accord Wagon would have hit the mark (except for the all-wheel drive). But since Honda no longer makes wagons, I began researching other small wagons and small SUV's. I spent a couple of months going through Consumer Reports, Consumer Guide, The Car Book, and a host of Internet sites that included Edmunds, Cars.com, Car and Driver.com, CarReview.com and others. What I learned was the Subaru Forester was far and away the best choice for us. It is clearly a better overall product than either the Toyota RAV-4, Honda CR-V, Mazda Tribute or Ford Escape among small SUV's. What really set the Forester apart was its consensus top-of-the-class rating by Consumer Reports, Consumer Guide and The Car Book; its proven
reliability; excellent customer satisfaction; all-wheel drive from most experienced manufacturer, along with a viscous limited slip rear differential; highest HP & torque 4-cylinder engine; best-of-class crash rating; best-rated handling and ride; larger cargo space; and 60 month/60,000 mile major components warranty. Key features that were also important to us but pretty much comparable to its competition were the 4-wheel ABS & disc brakes, side impact door beams, side airbags (except the RAV-4), moonroof (except for the CR-V, which doesn't offer one and can't have one installed -- Honda says they have to remove a roof beam, which would negatively affect the structure of the car body) and leather interior, gas mileage, price, heated seats, ability to use regular gas, a full-size spare, heated power mirrors, loaner cars for overnight service while under warranty and door-to-door shuttle service thereafter . Although I have to admit even the little things -- like the de-icing front wiper, integrated window antenna, multiple storage compartments, a rubber cargo area tray, subfloor storage, a dimming rear view mirro with electronic compass, and the easiest-to-open rear door (especially when compared to the CR-V) -- were advantages over the competition as well. I never would have bought the Ford Escape or Mazda Tribute -- neither companies have good reliability records overall, and these products are in their first year of production. The President of Mazda happens to be an old friend of mine, so I knew if I wanted the Tribute I could get a great deal. It
wouldn't have been worth it.
I'll also tell you we considered a few wagons -- with the Subaru Outback and Volkswagen Passat coming out on top. Here, my wife and I simply preferred the SUV-style over the Outback wagon. And while the Passat wagon is a highly-rated vehicle, to get what we got with the Forester would have meant spending an additional $4,000 to get all-wheel drive, forcing us into the 6-cylinder model with much poorer gas mileage and a requirement to use much more expensive premium gas. All in all, I can't get over the outstanding combination the Subaru Forester offers in terms of reliability, safety, features and value.
With all this, I still had just a bit of hesitation before making the final buying decision because neither my wife or I had ever owned a Subaru. This is where Al Rowe, our salesman, came in. His professionalism, knowledge and straightforwardness in dealing with both of us made the difference. In sales myself -- 20 years with IBM as a salesman, sales manager and now sales executive -- I've learned a thing or two about salesmanship and the right way to earn a customer's business. Al Rowe represented Subaru very well. We expect this to be just the start of a long-term, positive relationship with Subaru of Morristown, New Jersey as we need to service our Forester along the way -- and look for our next car!0
sasquatch_2000 Posts: 800Why do I get the feeling that the previous poster is either "salesman Al Rowe" or some other Subaru employee? This same posting appeared in at least 4 places without Subaru in the topic's title.0
Both Tribute and Santa Fe have part-time AWD systems. They're aren't true 4x4s because they lack a low range. The "4WD" label is misleading, IMO. They are really FWD/part-time AWD.
They are part time because they only operate on slippery surfaces. 90% of the time they are FWD.
That is the Forester's edge. It's AWD is truly full time, wet or dry. So it acts to reduce understeer and neutralize the handling on dry pavement, which is 90% of the time. Part-time systems are by definition re-active, but the Soob is pro-active and works to prevent slip in the first place.
Despite all the clearance, C&D managed to get an Escape stuck in a recent test, and they couldn't even dig out. The Navigator saved it.
OK, none of these are intended for off road use. My Forester was great on the beaches in the Outer Banks and around the apple orchard for picking Granny Smiths. That's what these are intended for and the Forester was great.
The other point is that the Tribute isn't really a Mazda. We own two Mazdas now and would consider a Mazda SUV, but the Tribute is a Ford through-and-through. Ford Duratec engine from the Taurus with the lame and problematic Ford CD4E tranny.
If you disagree about the tranny, I'd invite you to read up on the 626 topic under Sedans. It's interesting, because the 5 speed trannies are Mazda units, and the auto for the V6 is also a Mazda unit. Only the 4 cylinder auto gets a Ford tranny, and guess which is the ONLY one with reliability problems?
To top it off, the Tribute has a bigger engine with more torque, and that tranny is being burdened with more weight to haul as well.
I personally would not gamble on the longevity of a known-bad Ford tranny.
The interior room is a big plus, and that a powerful V6 is offered is nice, but Mazda should have used the 626's engine, or even the Miller Cycle engine, along with a MANUAL transmission, and a true Mazda unit to boot.
Hyundai is an underdog and I hope they do well. The V6 should have more power, though, and it also needs to be offered with a manual tranny. Kind of funky looking but give them credit for being unique.
Sasquatch, don't know whether this pleases you or not to learn, but I really have no ties to Subaru whatsoever. My story and opinions are my own. I'm an IBM worldwide sales operations executive, located at 1133 Westchester Ave, White Plains, NY. Feel free to check. My apologies for the multiple postings. I'd never posted before, thought it helpful to share my experience within the different postings that made sense. This is what my research turned up, but in the end it's just my opinion and not be taken as anything more than that. I have found it interesting so far that almost no one seems interested in debating the points I made between these vehicles, instead just assuming my bullishness for the Forester must be because I'm a Subaru mouthpiece. To each his own.0
scape2 Posts: 4,124stock in IBM not performing damit! :-) Thats ok, I'm in it for the long run I'm only 34. I have faith Big Blue will take a good turn...
Back to the Forester debate. The Forester is the better "offroad" SUV when comparing to the tribute. The Foresters frame is more stout and can handle the terrain better. But, The Trib will eat a Forester for lunch on the highway, curves or hills when it comes to the road. (V6 of course). So it all comes down to your preference, road manners, or offroad manners?0
Actually, on the curves I'd take the Forester's low center of gravity and 5 speed availability any day.
For the hills and long straight highway drives, the torque of the V6 ought to come in handy. What they really need to offer is a manual tranny though!
This is a great thread, hopefully it keeps up, as my current pet project right now is to "benchmark" the Escape against the Forester. A 2001 RAV4 gets into the mix in mid to late February.
sschumer, thanks for your comments, SOA couldn't have said it better.
Both vehicles have their ups and downs, but it's nice to read the real world opinions.....I'm trying to spend a lot of seat time in the Escape right now.
your comments are great.....
Subaru R&D0
Interesting, so we have a factory rep, eh?
We have a "Subaru Crew" under the Owners Clubs topics, and I'd like to invite you to drop in there too.
Not really a factory rep.
We just have a small office here in the US that does special research projects/requests for FHI in Japan.
We're a separate entity from SOA.


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