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How to sing in front of small or large audiences, a Cappella and with accompaniment
About Glenda
*** Lesson Details ***
You will learn to play with ease and proficiency while learning the Music Theory that supports your playing. You will also receive ear training, which will make learning more rapid, and more thorough.
*** Studio Equipment ***
Studio with pianos; parents can sit in on lessons.
*** Travel Equipment ***
When needed, I provide printed learning supplements or in e-mail. The student should hav
*** Specialties ***
Gospel, Classical, Pop, Inspirational, Sacred, Wedding, etcetera
· Christian Gospel · In studio
· Violin · In studio
· Organ · Online
Glenda J.
Glenda J.
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Learn Music Performance, how to present yourself, work ethics, how to get the gig, notes of music, major and minor keys, chord construction, scales, shapes, transcription, reading, ear training, timing and rhythm, music theory, improvising, several playing techniques, how to play songs, and much more. i teach not just to play but to understand what you are playing.
About Ivan
*** Lesson Details ***
Depending on the student's current level of understanding music and playing your instrument, i start with the healthy way to play your instrument, traditional left hand and right hand techniques, learning exercises, scales, chords, keys, ear training for how to find the part in songs, also music theory including how to read music, and improvising, then different styles of playing bass and guitar, including thump and pluck, now known as slap bass, hammer and tap, harmonics, flamenco and more, most of all i make it fun. With practice you will know how to play your instrument very well, or if you just want to learn songs or licks, its all good i work for you. are you ready? i am, lets go
*** Travel Equipment ***
i can provide a bass, a guitar, a keyboard and amp, but i expect student to have their own instrument and amp to practice
*** Specialties ***
i teach all genres, and i teach you to understand the music on your instrument.
· Guitar · Online
· Bass Guitar · Online
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Ivan W.
Ivan W.
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2-3 times a year both solo and rock band recitals are held
About Marc
I am a classically trained guitarist that performs both as a soloist and for ensemble in a wide variety of styles. I graduated in 1996 from Schoolcraft College with an Associates degree in Music performance, and then, studying under the tutelage of Brian Roberts went on to receive my Bachelor's degree in Guitar Performance with a secondary in Jazz from Wayne State University in 2004. While at Wayne State and along the way I've performed and participated in several masterclasses with renowned artists: William Kanengiser, John Holmquest, Philip Candelaria, Jason Vieaux, Scott Tennant, and Antigoni Goni. I have also completed the teacher requirements for books 1-a and 1-b for the Suzuki Guitar Institute.
Many of my classical guitar and electric guitar students have went on to study further at the collegiate level, some achieving scholarships. My most recent students are current Berklee school of music graduates now in a band called "Flight of Fire", recently opened for Bonjovi this past summer and are getting air time on local radio stations... well on their way to living the dream! â¦the bulk of my students become full time professional musicians.
*** Lesson Details ***
I am an extremely patient person who has been teaching for over 20 years. I am laid back so there will be no pressure. With my electric and steel string guitar students, I host a special "Jam Session" 2 - 3 times a year to which will be one of your goals to participate in. This includes playing with a drummer, bassist, singer and another guitar player (usually me) and having it recorded. This should serve as your motivation to practice. This really eliminates the need for me to pull out a "yardstick" and "smack" your hands over the knuckles when not practicing your scales as many old traditional teachers may have done!
At your first lesson I will talk with you and give you examples of music that is played with a Flat-Pick, or music that uses the Finger-Style technique. This will be an important process as it will dictate which direction you will go in as a musician and especially during our lessons.
For the most part, playing with a Flat-Pick is generally used with the electric guitar and with most mainstream styles of music like "Rock and Roll", "Blues", "Rock-a-Billy" "Funk", and playing with the Finger-Style technique is used in styles like "Classical" and "Folk." After a while, I will introduce you to the other style of playing as well, as most great guitar players use both techniques in their playing...musicians (guitarists) such as: âJimmy Pageâ, âBrian Setzerâ, âStevie Ray Vaughanâ, âJoe Satrianiâ, âLindsey Buckinghamâ, âPaul McCartneyâ, âJohn Mayerâ, and many, many more.
To make learning the guitar Fun, I make sure to incorporate your main interest(s) first. Whether it be learning your new favorite song(s), learning how to write a song, or just learning some basics that you can use for when sitting around the campfire. This will be intertwined with which style you choose to start with: Flat-Pick or Finger-Style.
Pending on the level that you are starting at, (beginner, intermediate, advanced) I will include tidbits of music theory that will be used in a consistent manner. These will usually be progressive, pending on your level. For example, the songs you learn will be written out in an easy to understand chart that will have the fundamental aspects of theory (IE, chords, key, and rhythm pattern) that all musicians should understand.
With Children learning with a Flat-Pick, I encourage the use of a basic guitar instruction book.
Level One (beginners) :
"Hal Leonard Guitar Method Book One" by Will Schmid.
I will also use as a substitute for Level One:
"Alfred's Basic Guitar Method" by Alfred's Publishing Co.
More advanced players who can read music already (and graduates from book one) I prefer;
"Hal Leonard Guitar Method Book Two"
With Adults, I will ask if learning to read music interests you. It is a vital part of a practicing musician, but sometimes your needs may require a more one dimensional approach as time may be of essence. Again, I learned by ear and educated myself later...so I understand the person who wants to hold off on reading right away.
Students who want to learn the Classical (Finger-Style) approach will be encouraged to purchase a beginners book that I use written by one of my first instructors/mentor. It is a very intuitive book that covers the technique in great detail yet is very easy to understand (along with my help.) I will provide means of acquiring this book at your first lesson.
Students who want to learn the Folk (Finger-Style) approach will usually start in the above book, unless your an adult who just wants to learn some basics.
At your first lesson I will also provide you with documentation that goes more in depth about the various styles of guitar as the above info is scaled down.
*** Studio Equipment ***
-Guitars (Electric, Acoustic, Classical, Bass)
- PA (loud speakers so you can Turn it Up! When playing along)
-Band in a Box (to play along with real prerecorded instruments seamlessly interleaved into a band type setting with almost unlimited genre choices...very impressive technology)
- Pro Tools (recording gear for all needs)
- Guitar Pro and Finale (to transpose music into sheet music)
-Skype (for out of town interactivity. Can do lessons via Skype)
-Basement with plenty of seating for parents, and or observers.
*** Specialties ***
I specialize in Classical Guitar, Electric Guitar, and Acoustic Guitar; Improvisation, Songwriting, Backup Vocals, Fretboard Harmony, Music Theory, Performance, and Recording.
· Guitar · Online
· Songwriting · In studio
· Classical Guitar · In studio
Marc M.
Marc M.
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Performing over 200 shows a year, I have the experience to teach everything from the basics of how to prepare to being on stage, to helping an advance performer hone his or her stage presence, to be better able to connect with both the audience and fellow performers to create a meaningful performing experience
About Nicholas
Nicholas been a musician in some form or another for as long as he can remember. His musical journey started when he was only six, with a delve into the realm of classical piano. While there he studied under world class child prodigy Josh Cullen. The composers that he studied include Bach, Beethoven, Barton, Hayden and many others.
From here he progressed to playing jazz trumpet, studying the Jamey Aebersold method un
Then at the age of 11, with the help of his grandfather he discovered the guitar. He learned quickly on his old SR guitar. He quickly discovered that he had a natural taste for blues phrasing, and his soloing abilities quickly blossomed. 2 years later, he had formed his first band, Spherical. It was through this band that he found the bass.
His journey into the realm of bass, began out of necessity and progressed into love of the bottom end. Since then, he has been collecting basses, playing, living and breathing bass. He now realizes the importance of a funky beat, a subtle line and most important of all A Tight Groove!!!
The benefit of studying under someone with a vast array of both talent and experience is clear.
*** Lesson Details ***
During his musical career Nicholas has played almost every style of music; from folk to experimental from jazz to rock. One thread holds true through all music, it has to groove.
During the course of a lesson he will cover a broad range of topics starting from the basics, and moving into ear training, sight-reading, theoretical knowledge and most important for bass players, groove. Just as every player has their own musical personality and voice, so to does every lesson that Nicholas gives.
In a supportive, patient environment, every lesson is custom tailored to the student.
*** Studio Equipment ***
Home: lessons in dedicated music room with piano and stereo, guitars/basses, cables/amps
*** Specialties ***
Jazz Studies major at Wayne State University. Has a firm understanding of music across both the classical and jazz idioms spanning multiple instruments.
· Trumpet · Online
· Trumpet · In studio
· Trumpet · Online
Nicholas C.
Nicholas C.
About Benjamin M.Close
I have performed professionally for decades in a variety of settings; Rock, Jazz, Orchestral, Experimental. And as a multi-instrumentalist: Guitar, Sax, Bass, Drums, Keyboard, Vocal, Experimental instruments.
About Benjamin
Whether you want to pursue a Musical Career or simply learn how to Play your Favorite Tunes for friends and family, I am here as your Teacher and Guide. I teach at my own home, at the Student's home or through the use of Skype.
I recently moved to Detroit. I am originally from Ann Arbor. I spent much of this century living in NYC and prior to that I lived in Chicago. Those experiences vastly helped me develop Networking, Performance and Teaching experience.
As a Father of four, I have had the joy in teaching my own children Guitar, Saxophone, Songwriting, Composition and Keyboard. As a parent I have found that Patience and Encouragement is sometimes the best form of support. It has been proven that learning Music helps develop intuition, self-awareness, and social skills as well as improve in other subje
One of the most important aspects of playing Music is being able to Play by Ear. This has been a priceless gift that I have developed throughout my life and I encourage all musicians, young and old, to do the same. The use of simple Rhythmic Dictation and Ear Training exercises can do wonders for "picking out" Beats and Harmonies no matter what Genre we are interested in.
I attended music courses at The Boston School of Contemporary Music, Thomas Jefferson College (MI), and have a BA double majoring in Music Composition and English at Columbia College Chicago.
I have toured internationally as a Guitarist and Saxophonist. I am also a Songwriter. THIRD BORDER's "Sun of Water; Sea of Light" was selected to be nominated for the Grammy's as The Best Alternative Album of the Year in 2006. On this record, I played Guitar, Saxophone, sang Lead Vocal and wrote all Songs on that CD. So, if you are a Songwriter, we can polish up your approach! As a Composer, I have done Sound Design for Film, Dance, Spoken Word and Multi-media Performance - most notably with renowned poet Anne Carson and former members of The Merce Cunningham Dance Co.
I hope to talk to you soon!
*** Lesson Details ***
My teaching style is relaxed with a forte on Patience and Encouragement. Though I have specific expectations on what needs to be learned, I gear each lesson towards the student's wishes and their personal direction in Creativity. Whether you are a beginner or an advanced student, I can guide you wherever you are headed!
For Guitar (acoustic or electric), you will learn the fundamentals of Music Theory, Chord Structure, varied Strumming and Picking Techniques, and Scale Positions to travel from one part of the neck to the other. Any song you wish to learn, I can teach!
For Saxophone, you will learn proper Embouchure technique, Notation, Music Theory, and Scale Patterns for improvisation. Whether you are interested in a Classical, Blues, Funk or Jazz approach, I can help you find your own sound that is both personal and professional.
I teach 2nd year Piano and Drums/Percussion directing you into Intermediate level.
For those leaning toward the experimental genres, I am well-versed in the use of Electronics. Much can be accomplished with my lessons on Sound-Scape Improvisation either as 1 on 1 or Group Workshops.
*** Studio Equipment ***
At Home Studio: music stands, metronome, guitar amps, electric and acoustic guitars, guitar tablature, staff music paper, a scanner for weekly homework. I can also record and send MP3s of our lessons to review at home if you wish.
*** Travel Equipment ***
Students will need their own instrument, a mutually chosen music book to learn from, a metronome, and hopefully easy access to a keyboard (very helpful!)
*** Specialties ***
I am fluent in Rock genres, Blues, Beginning Jazz, Beginning Classical technique, Prepared Guitar, Electronics/Sound Art.
· Saxophone · In home
· Saxophone · In studio
· Guitar · In home
Benjamin M.
Benjamin M.
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We have 2 to 3 recitals a year as well as participate in the Michigan Music Association Competition in February each year. It is a wonderful experience for the students to show what they have been learning and also see what other students have been learning. The recitals and the competitions are not required as a part of lessons but they are encouraged as performing is a good addition to learning music. My students and their parents are very supportive of one another and are always thrilled to have another join in our group. One of the very important aspects of performing is sportsmanship and it is one that I take very seriously and I feel it is important for students to learn this not only for music but for life.
About Heather
*** Lesson Details ***
For piano:
I use the Alfred Basic Books for beginners and then we move to the Keith Snell books along with other supplemental books. If a student already is using a book, generally we will finish that book up so they won't have to purchase another set of books.
For Saxophone and Clarinet:
I use the Rubank books along with other supplemental books
For Voice:
I use the 24 Italian Songs and Arias, The Young Singer, and various Broadway books. Any pop music must be purchased by student as there is just way too much to chose from for me to have a lot of it.
*** Studio Equipment ***
Home Studio: in living room with 2 pianos at entrance of house. Seating is available as well toys and a table for siblings.
*** Specialties ***
Voice - Classical & Broadway
Piano - classical
Clarinet - classical and pop
Saxophone - classical, pop, and some jazz
· Singing · In studio
· Singing · In studio
· Piano · In studio
Heather P.
Heather P.
About Cheryl M.Close
I basically prepare the student for the unexpected things that happen in the music world. What their perspective should be with music and how it will effect their individual lives. I also would point out the do's and don'ts of performance preparation.
About Cheryl
accompanist and musician in the greater metropolitan Detroit area. I have earned several degrees,
which include a Bachelor of Music Performance in Organ and a Bachelor of Arts in Liberal Arts and
Music both from Wayne State University. My studies included wonderful instructors. I have studied
extensively with Albert Fillmore for ten years, Mischa Kottler for four years and Robert Conway for
five years. The last two instructors were from Wayne State and also played with the Detroit Symphony
Orchestra. I have studied organ with Ray Ferguson who played with DSO as well and I have studied
voice with Marjorie Gordon, coloratura soprano.
With over 40 years of experience as professional musician, I am confident that I possess the
qualifications needed to make a difference and an impact i
Most of my career tenure has been with the Detroit Public Schools. I have worked at various
levels in Pre-K – 12 schools but the longest has been twelve years at Cody High School. I have
enjoyed coaching the students and working with the music staff at the Cody Complex. These students
are very talented and eager to express their creativity and musical ability. I am a seasoned musician
with sight reading, transposing and improvisational skills. I used these skills to work with children
and young adults in small groups, larger groups and individual coaching in preparation for festivals
competitions and auditions.
I would like to continue providing this service to the young people within the Greater Metro
Detroit Area. Music is an important part of youth development in math and English. It also helps to
produce character and leaderships skills of discipline, teamwork, commitment and self esteem.. I've also done the same for my private piano students, in studio as well as in a corporate setting.
*** Lesson Details ***
I am a diligent instructor that possesses intuitive goals, almost from the first few lessons! I am always encouraging, and give modest yet helpful criticism. I insist on teaching and developing the fundamentals in private study, ie, standard concepts and music theory. In three months time, the student will know whether we are a good fit, whether or not they like my instruction, and discover their unique abilities as a result of my facilitation!
*** Travel Equipment ***
I expect the student to have an acoustic piano, or a full-sized weighted keyboard. All equipment should be adequately functional.
*** Specialties ***
I am a classically trained musician. I am also a church musician. My other styles do include pop, jazz, oldies, gospel and contemporary christian music. I start with the basics before moving to any other styles of music.
· Singing · In studio
· Singing · In studio
· Piano · In studio
Cheryl M.
Cheryl M.
About Juan L.Close
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I have six years of experience as a solo and band performer, living and touring in Argentina as well as working and performing in the United States. I help musicians and singers work with their instruments, specifically doing both at the same time (piano and voice or guitar and voice) so that they can perform with ease, comfort, and confidence. Whether it is for original music, covers and working as a musician, or simply feeling more comfortable playing and singing, I am happy to work with you as a performer.
About Juan
· Drum · In home
· Acoustic Guitar · In studio
Juan L.
Juan L.
About Helen B.Close
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Music Performance is a combination of singing and acting. I work with young people and adults of all ages teaching classic technique combined with performance skills. Lessons start with exercises to improve breath control to support your voice and help you sing on key. Vocal exercises will help you develop the quality and resonance of your voice and increase your range making it easier to hit those high notes. You will also learn how to use phrasing as you sing to put feeling into the words and connect with the audience. As your voice develops you will build a repertoire of music that you like to sing that you can use for auditions. The lessons are fun and very effective,
About Helen
Training for beginning voice students is significantly different than it is for those who have had training. Some have beautiful natural voices but they strain to hit the high notes, Exercises build breath support and slowly increase your range Music is carefully chosen to help you sing with ease build a stronger more reson
Some children also have beautiful natural voices, but they are not ready for the kind of voice training that is appropriate for an adult. A child's voice is small in every sense of the word. They cannot produce the volume or range that an adult can without straining their voice. They can learn the fundamentals of music, how to read music, how to count, rhythm and musicality. The music chosen for them needs to be easy to sing and age-appropriate Songs that a child likes that are too high can easily be re-arranged in a different key so they can sing music that they like without straining their voice.
If you are considering voice lessons for you or your child, it is a good way to develop musicianship and build a repertoire of music that you will enjoy singing. The training will be enjoyable and very effective. You will begin to see an improvement in technique after the first lesson.
I was trained in voice performance at the Cleveland Institute of Music with Marie-Simmelink Kraft, a Mezzo-Soprano who performed with the Cleveland Orchestra and other Synphony Orhestras throughout the world. I hold a degree from Case Western Reserve University where I studied art and music theory. I have more than twenty years of professional experience that inclues singing with a Chorale that performed with the Cleveland Symphony and performances as a soloist for choirs in Ohio and Michigan.
I founded and directed the Academie des Beaux-Arts, a performing arts school in Birmingham, and the Actors Alliance Theatre, a professional theater company that gave many young people an opportunity to gain experience working with professional actors. I have a combination of skills in voice and theater performance that sets me apart as a teacher who can help you develop a better singing voice and learn how to perform with artistry.
· Piano · In studio
· Piano · In studio
· Speaking Voice · In home
Helen B.
Helen B.
About Bryan B.Close
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I have been playing guitar and bass for over 15 years, which has been a remarkable and rewarding musical journey. After teaching myself for seven years, I decided to attend the Atlanta Institute of Music from which I graduated with a performance-based scholarship. My own approach to learning has helped me to teach students from all various backgrounds as I am able to adapt my lesson plans to accommodate either a more classical or more colloquial approach to effectively relate the material to each student effectively. My lesson plans are structured around the goals that students set for themselves, which I then show them how to achieve in a practical manner. This is a great life skill that will extend even beyond music. The only goals that cannot be reached are the ones you tell yourself repeatedly "I can't", which is the only real barrier to learning and creating.
About Bryan
Bryan B.
Bryan B.
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La Dolce Vita? The Serie A match between AC Milan and Roma on Sunday was suspended because of racist chanting and abuse hurled at football superstar Mario Balotelli.
Watch the video at around 1:00 and listen to the monkey chants AFTER THE JUMP ...
The game was stopped early in the second half after Roma fans jeered the Milan striker Mario Balotelli. A warning was announced over the public address system and play resumed.
Allegri criticised the interruption ... as an unsuccessful compromise and said that Balotelli was being increasingly taunted by abuse. "People should go to the stadium to see two teams battling each other on the pitch, not this sort of thing, it's a place for the uncivilised," he told Milan's website "Above all, the culture in Italy is backward – tonight we had racism, laser beams flashed in the eyes of players and an interrupted match."
Mario Balotelli is Italy's first born-and-bred Black footballing superstar. The 21-year-old striker was born in Italy to Ghanaian immigrants. Balotelli has repeatedly been subjected to racial taunts in Italy and across Southern and Eastern Europe.
AC Milan's star midfielder Kevin-Prince Boateng walked off the pitch after suffering racist abuse in January. The entire AC Milan team followed Boateng off the field. The 25-year-old German plays for Ghana's international team. Despite the racist abuse on Sunday, the team wasn't likely to abandon Sunday's game because it was a must-win to clinch third place. The game ended in a 0-0 draw.
Meanwhile: The English Football Association will vote to "introduce minimum five-game bans for racial abuse. The sanction ... is in response to concerns about a resurgence of racism in the English game," reports the AP.
Watch the video at around 1:00 and listen to the monkey chants AFTER THE JUMP ...
Continue reading "VIDEO: Rome Fans Hurl Racist Monkey Chants at Mario Balotelli" »

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Trip Information
Starts In: Bangkok
Ends In: Bangkok
Duration: 28 Days.
Departs: 3rd of each Month
Group Size: minimum 2 people
Transport: Public bus, Van
Accommodation: Hostels/Guest House
Activity: Touring
Ages: 15+
Tour Code: INDOCHINA ADVENTURE 001
Operator Code: SEA Tour
Countries Visited
Thailand, Laos, Vietnam & Cambodia
Trip Highlights
• Visit Highlight Northern Thailand Chiang Mai
• Visit Highlight Northern Laos Luang Prabang UNESCO town, 2 Day Mekong river cruise HUEY SAI �" PAKBENG �" LUANG PRABANG
• Cross the border into Laos, Vietnam, Cambodia & Thailand.
• No meals (breakfasts, lunch, dinners)
Full Itinerary
Indochina Tours 28 Day
Day 1 FLIGHT - TO - BANGKOK Upon arrive at Souvannaphoummy Airport meet your guide and transfer to your hostel in center of Bangkok the capital of Thailand land of smile.
Day 2 BANGKOK city tour Visit: Wat Pho, The Grand Palace and Wat Phra kaeo which house of Emerald Buddha.
Day 3 BANGKOK �" CHIANG MAI Take a train to Chiang Mai and Visit Night Bazaar.
Day 4 CHIANG MAI CITY TOUR Visit: Wat Chedi Luang, Wat Phra Singh Cooking Class in the afternoon Day 5 CHIANG MAI �" CHIANG KHONG Take a bus drive to Chiang Khong small town on Thai �" Lao border
Day 6 CHIANG KHONG �" PAKBENG After crossing Mekong River to Laos Border then take slow boat to PakBeng small town half way to Luang Prabang.
Day 7 PAKBENG �" LUANG PRABANG Full day slow boat to Luang Prabang UNESCO town transfer to your hostel.
Day 8 LUANG PRABANG CITY TOUR Visit: Royal Palace National Museum, Wat Sene and Wat Xieng Thong the most beautiful temple in South East Asia. It was UNESCO site.
Day 9 TREKKING TO KUANG SI WATERFALL Drive uphill to visit hill tribe villages Hmong and Khmu and trekking to Kuang si waterfall
Day 10 LUANG PRABANG FREE DAY
Day 11 LUANG PRABANG-VANGVIENG 6 Drive uphill to VangVieng visit bar
DAY12 VANGVIENG �" TUBING Tubing on the Nam song river
Day13 VANGVIENG-VIENTIANE In the afternoon takes a bus to Vientiane the capital of Laos
Day14 VIENTIANE CITY TOUR Visit watsisaket , watprakeo, that luang. Free in afternoon and take overnight bus to Hanoi take 24h Drive
Day15 ARRIVAL HANOI Bus will arrive in Hanoi Dinner around Hoan Kiem Lake
Day16 HANOI FREE DAY Visit: Ho Chi minh Museum and Mausoleum
Day17 HANOI HALONG BAY 4h drive to Halong bay overnight on the boat
Day18 Halong Bay - HANOI Take overnight train �" Hue
Day19 HUE FREE DAY Explore Hue on your own
Day20 HUE �" HANOI AN Take early morning bus to HOI AN
Day21 HOI AN CITY BIKE Optional: Biking in Hoi an UNESCO Town The world heritage town
Day22 HOI AN �" SAIGON Take train to Saigon the HOCHIMIN city
Day23 MEKONG DELTA day tours to Mekong delta try pho
Day24 SAIGON �" PHNOM PENH Take a boat trip to Phnom Penh Check in at the hostel
Day25 Phnom Penh CITY TOUR
Day 26 PHNOM PENH �" SIEM REAP
Day 27 EXPLORE ANGKOR WAT
Day 28 TAKE OFF BANGKOK
- Transfers as mentioned.
- Local bus tickets and Local boat - Accommodations as mentioned.
- Entrance Fees
- Air Ticket
- Visa Fee / Airport Tax/ Insurance
- Meals, Beverages and Drinks
- Personal Expenses
- Tips
- Others expense that is not mentioned in the itinerary.
Tour price based on Twin Share Guest House or Dorm Hostel
Optional Indochina Adventure tour: US$1,499 plus single service charge US$299
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|Thailand,Laos,Vietnam & Cambodia
Soi 23 Khaosan Rd Bangkok,Thailand
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Keith wrote:I saw an article last week on another website that said that the owner of the Nailers just purchased the Philadelphia Phantoms of the AHL. They are looking to relocate the Phantoms to another market, possibly Reading or somewhere in New Jersey. The purchase of the Phantoms just might spell the end of the Nailers. Would he relocate the Phantoms to Wheeling or Youngstown?
No. Those two markets could never support an AHL team. Furthermore, the Brookses have expressed a desire to place the team in Allentown pending the completion of a proposed new arena


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Nike today gives a first detailed look at their new Free Trainer 3.0, their most advanced training shoe to date. Innovative materials and the Free 3.0 outer sole are fused in the innovative sneaker, that impresses not only with performance but also with good looks.
"The Nike Free Trainer 3.0 is designed for elite athletes at the forefront of multi-sport training. Weighing in at 9 ounces (men's size 9), the shoe features a Dynamic Fit system that cradles the midfoot, conforming to each athlete's foot while providing superior lockdown during training.
The Nike Free Trainer 3.0 blends innovative materials in the upper with the flexibility and benefits of Nike Free for increased natural motion. The mesh upper is designed with enforced polyurethane support, in the form of strand-like lines that increase and decrease with size over the shoe creating a pattern that is extremely supportive yet keeps the shoe flexible, lightweight, and breathable. The material protects against abrasion yet retains its pliability, providing a second skin-like feel as it moves with the natural biomechanics of the foot.
The midsole is another tangible example of Nike's progression in training footwear. The Phylon midsole provides lightweight, responsive cushioning. This shoe is a 3.0 on the Nike Free rating scale, which means it offers great multidirectional flexibility and a low-to-the-ground fit and feel for a barefoot-like training experience."
The Nike Free Trainer 3.0 will release in multiple colors early January 2013.


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Launch A Full Air Assault - Without Ever Leaving The Ground!
- Fun gun launches balls of air at your enemies
- Mess up hair, ruffle their clothes, blow away papers
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SINGAPORE, FEB. 18, 2010 — Jones Lang LaSalle announced today that it has been selected in the Leaders category for The 2010 Global Outsourcing 100®, the annual ranking of high-quality service providers across all industries as determined by the International Association of Outsourcing Professionals Association of Outsourcing Professionals® (IAOP®).This marks the third time Jones Lang LaSalle has been selected for the Global Outsourcing 100 list.
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Spanish protest against austerity, grim economy
(AP) MADRID - Spaniards angered by increasingly grim economic prospects and unemployment hitting one out of every four citizens protested in droves Saturday in the nation's largest cities, marking the one-year anniversary of a spontaneous movement that inspired similar anti-authority demonstrations across the planet.
The country's Interior Ministry said 72,000 people marched against the government's tough austerity measures in Madrid, Barcelona and six other large cities but protesters claimed the turnout was much higher.
The epicenter of the protest was in the capital of Madrid, where at least 30,000 people flooded into the central Puerta del Sol plaza in the evening, vowing to stay put for three days.
Authorities warned they wouldn't allow anyone to camp out overnight as protesters did last year but the demonstrators stayed put after a midnight deadline to leave and more than 2,000 riot police on duty made no immediate effort to force them out.
"I'm here to defend the rights that we're losing and for the young people who have it so tough," said 57-year-old middle school teacher Roberto Alonso. "They're better educated than ever. But they don't have work. They don't have anything. They're behind and they'll stay that way."
At least 22,000 people demonstrated in Barcelona, Spain's second largest city. Marches were also held in Bilbao, Malaga and Seville, and sympathizers from other countries held protests across Europe.
The protests began May 15 last year and drew hundreds of thousands of people calling themselves the Indignant Movement. The demonstrations spread across Spain and Europe as anti-austerity sentiment grew.
Spain is in dire economic straits, prompting fears it may need a bailout similar to those requested by Greece, Ireland and Portugal. It is in recession, and unemployment stands at almost 25 percent the highest among the 17 countries using the euro. One in two Spaniards under the age of 25 are out of work.
Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy's conservative government has enacted deep spending cuts to reduce the national debt, but many people blame those measures for deepening families' financial plight.
Javier Colilla, a 27-year old university student, said he showed up to protest in Madrid because Spain's economic situation seems like it will spiral into chaos.
"We've had this crisis for four years, but it feels like it's just starting," the fine arts major said.
Colilla lives with his parents, sees zero prospect of getting a menial job after graduation and thinks he may never be able to buy an apartment.
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He said the government austerity cuts targeting "health and education, but rescuing banks are wrong. They need to find other places to cut."
A year ago, the "indignados" pitched tents and occupied town and city squares across Spain for weeks. Demonstrators clashed with police who eventually moved in to evict them.
"We are here today to celebrate one year since the ... movement started and though we have achieved some things the situation is much worse now, so we need to keep fighting to get things better and that's why we are here today," said 40-year-old activist Ana Pancorvo.
Antonio Barroso, a London-based Europe analyst for the Eurasia Group consulting firm, said the protests will probably "have no impact on the the (Spanish) government's strategy" to appease international investors by sticking with its controversial austerity drive.
Protests also took place Saturday in other European cities, and were planned in South American countries including Brazil and Chile.
In Britain, several hundred anti-capitalist protesters from the Occupy movement marched peacefully through London's financial district, rallying outside the offices of international banks.
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Dear, sweet Sherilee, she of the best kettle corn I've ever tasted, tagged me and gave me the following questions to answer:
1. What would you pick as a major, if you could go back to college and do it again? Not having gone to college, and not sure of what I COULD pick as a major, I googled this … and took a test … and this is what I was told:
You are a Social Personality Type! Social people make great teachers! They are great with people because they are open and friendly, and they care about others. They are cooperative, which makes them good in many programs and careers.
They may always be in the center of activity and they are likely to have lots of friends. They are interested in social issues, and they are likely to become politically active. They may use social skills to influence others.
Possible degree programs: Teaching, Ministry, Coaching, Counseling, Nursing, Political Science, Sociology, Anthropology, History, Journalism, Psychology.
Hmmm…Coaching or counseling sounds good! I am too lazy to be a good teacher, not of sufficient faith to be in the ministry, not THAT good with people to be a nurse, polysci doesn't do it for me.
2. Who is the one celebrity with whom you would most like to have an indepth conversation? Ruth Gordon! She was in many, many movies, but my favorite of hers was Harold and Maude. I read her autobiography years ago, and was intrigued by the way she lived, not following convention and plus she was a local gal!
3. If you could make a living doing ANYthing, what would that be? Food photography! Take two of my favorite things and put them together. Voila!
4. What's your all-time very favorite dessert? Frozen grapes Hmmm…I don't know that I have ONE favorite! I love angel food cake, key lime pie, brownies with or without coffee ice cream, Reve du chocolat, chocolate coated strawberries…hmmm…
5. How many pairs of jeans do you own? I own quite a few pairs, less than 20, of varying sizes. At one point, I could only fit into 1 pair. Now, I'm down 14.8 pounds and able to fit into 5! I'm on a quest to lose 30, and once I hit that goal, I want to lose 20 more, wish me luck!
6. What is your favorite flower, and why? I used to say it was lilacs…love the scent and the various colors. But lately I'm in love with poppies! Such delicate flowers, big heads on long stems. And sunflowers…good for honey bees!
7. What book has most changed your life? I'd have to say The Hobbit! It opened my eyes to fantasy and once on that path, I found Robert Heinlien and Richard Adams to name but a couple. And also, in the same store where I found The Hobbit, I found a book called In Watermelon Sugar, by Richard Brautigan. He intrigued me at 14 years old. Don't know how well he translates out of the 1970s…
8. What is your least favorite vegetable? Is there any way you can be persuaded to eat it? I think maybe a turnip? The taste is too strong for me.
9. If you could take a nonstop first class flight to any destination, where would you pick to land? It's no secret I'd love to go back to Japan, ideally for a month…but…which month? Cherry blossom time, while beautiful, is still chilly. Obon…August…HOT! I think I'd chose October…their fall colors are just as beautiful as ours here in New England.
10. If your 15 minutes of fame included a stint on American Idol, what song would be your trademark solo? The Two of Us, by the Beatles. I love that song, it's sentimental and lovely.
11. If you could pick one former friend (who has remained elusive in this wild Facebook world) to reunite with, who would you unearth? Well, I already unearthed Dave and look what happened there! The only other person I was interested in unearthing, I'm no longer interested in. I found out some things about her, and … eh. That's all I have to say about that!
I'm tagging anyone who would like to be tagged! And they can answer these questions, since I really have to get some work done LOL!
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Three firefighters were awarded a Lifesaving Award at a recent Jacksonville City Council meeting.
Three firefighters were awarded a Lifesaving Award at a recent Jacksonville City Council meeting.
Jacksonville firefighters Jimmie Davis, Christopher Blackmon, Anthony Thiel and Michael Williams were presented the Life Saving Award for saving a baby who was not breathing on June 30.
The men were working on June 30 when a call came in to Fire Station Four � a possible drowning and a baby that wasn�t breathing, according to a release from the Department of Public Safety.
When they arrived, they found an unresponsive 19-month-old. The father of the child and a family friend were performing CPR.
Davis assessed the situation and continued performing CPR, the release stated. A cycle of chest compressions and mouth-to-mouth ventilations were performed with the assistance of Thiel. When Emergency Medical Services arrived, Davis carried the victim to the transport unit to prevent any delays in the child receiving advanced lifesaving procedures.
Davis and Thiel continued CPR in the EMS unit on the way to the hospital until nursing staff took over.
The other crew members, Blackmon and Williams, assisted the lifesaving efforts, providing equipment, getting crucial information and expressing compassion toward the child�s parents and other civilians at the scene, according to the release.
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Public School Access for Homeschoolers—A Legal Summary
School districts must permit enrollment of and provide ancillary services for part-time students enrolled in home-based education programs. Washington Revised Code § 28A.150.350
Washington Revised Code § 28A.150.350.
Part time students—Defined—Enrollment authorized—Reimbursement for costs—Funding authority recognition—Rules, regulations
(1) For purposes of this section, the following definitions shall apply:
(a) "Private school student" shall mean any student enrolled full time in a private school;
(b) "School" shall mean any primary, secondary or vocational school;
(c) "School funding authority" shall mean any nonfederal governmental authority which provides moneys to common schools;
(d) "Part time student" shall mean and include: Any student enrolled in a course of instruction in a private school and taking courses at and/or receiving ancillary services offered by any public school not available in such private school; or any student who is not enrolled in a private school and is receiving home-based instruction under RCW 28A.225.010 which instruction includes taking courses at or receiving ancillary services from the local school district or both; or any student involved in any work training program and taking courses in any public school, which work training program is approved by the school board of the district in which such school is located.
(2) The board of directors of any school district is authorized and, in the same manner as for other public school students, shall permit the enrollment of and provide ancillary services for part time students: PROVIDED, That this section shall only apply to part time students who would be otherwise eligible for full time enrollment in the school district.
(3) The superintendent of public instruction shall recognize the costs to each school district occasioned by enrollment of and/or ancillary services provided for part time students authorized by subsection (2) of this section and shall include such costs in the distribution of funds to school districts pursuant to RCW 28A.150.260. Each school district shall be reimbursed for the costs or a portion thereof, occasioned by attendance of and/or ancillary services provided for part time students on a part time basis, by the superintendent of public instruction, according to law.
(4) Each school funding authority shall recognize the costs occasioned to each school district by enrollment of and ancillary services provided for part time students authorized by subsection (2) of this section, and shall include said costs in funding the activities of said school districts.
(5) The superintendent of public instruction is authorized to adopt rules and regulations to carry out the purposes of RCW 28A.150.260 and 28A.150.350.


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September 16, 2006, 06:41:57 PM »
Take my law school, UC Hastings for example. In literally EVERY other ranking out there, UC Hastings is far better than its US News rank. You know something is wrong with your ranking system when literally EVERYONE ELSE has hastings ranked higher than you. It's not just random statistical variance with some coming in lower... US News rankings are bogus I feel seriously sorry for students who base their decisions off them... like kids who go to davis over hastings... if you look at the exterior numbers hastings has way higher bar passage rates, top firm recruitment, and median salary levels than uc davis.
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September 16, 2006, 06:48:57 PM »
oh yeah and my girlfriend is a 3-L at hastings... she is in the top 25% of her class, not in moot court or law journal, and she summered at, was offered, and accepted an offer at Orrick, the #1 firm in the bay area and a top firm nationally and internationally. She will be making $135,000/year starting next year... all that from getting good but not great grades and not doing any extracurriclars...
just another reason why US News is bogus - The Firms know US News is bogus. That's why hastings is still top 20 for top firm recruitment despite being ranked 43rd in US News.
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September 16, 2006, 08:49:09 PM »
Look, I'm not trying to argue Hastings is better than G-town or Uc Berkeley or anything but it's definitely way better than 43rd...
"There are no other decent rankings that I'm aware of."
I think Leiter's Law Rankings are way better than US News. He also has links to other alternative rankings from his website. I agree with you about Wisconsin and Tulane also being underranked by US News. They are just other examples of why not to trust US News.
"Morrison & Foerster is the top SF firm. Sorry. Dude your GF is so TTT."
I think Orrick passed them this year for Bay Area-wide (not just SF) with the strong growth at their silicon valley office. But whatever if not #1 then #2 firm in the bay area. The point is still the same - not even top 15% and no extracurricluars and still got a job at a top notch firm.
"It's fascinating that you leave out placement in academia, yet want to make the argument that the school's basically regarded as t20 or thereabouts by everybody other than USNWR."
I did not leave out their placement in academia. Leiter's faculty quality rankings put Hastings at 23rd in the country! It's there in my list! He even says this about Hastings' faculty on his website:
"Hastings recruited some leading "doctrinalists" (broadly construed), including Roger Park (evidence) from the University of Minnesota and, most recently, Geoffrey Hazard (legal ethics, civil procedure) from the University of Pennsylvania;
the Hastings group in the civil procedure and evidence areas
(Kane, Park, Hazard, Marcus, Faigman, among others)
is now probably one of the two or three best in the country
"Like many large, state law schools, Hastings has been treated badly by U.S. News; probably only Wisconsin has fared as badly at the hands of the U.S. News criteria that reward a school for being small and private."
Top two or three in civil procedure and evidence! Both of which are some of the most important bar classes one will take at law school. So much for your whole "left out their place in academia" BS.
I think my point is still pretty clear: US News is bogus and should not be used as a major deciding factor. Especially if you are considering schools that it underranks like Hastings, Tulane, and Wisconsin, or schools that it overranks (private schools with huge endowments).
Re: US News Rankings are Bogus
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September 16, 2006, 09:27:38 PM »
Getting some weird responses here... mistah you seem to agree that US News DOES in fact under rank schools like Hastings and Wisconsin and yet you are still highly critical of me calling out US News.
"And look, I've read basically everything Brian Leiter has to say. He expressly does not DO "overall" rankings -- just more focused things, e.g. faculty quality, student quality, national firm placement success, SCOTUS clerkship success, and academia placement success."
OK well there are other "overall" rankings that I posted up there and all of them have Hastings ranked way higher than US News does, just like all of Leiter's rankings. Noticing any patterns there?
"Evidence is one of the most important classes you take in law school? That's interesting. And uninteresting, because faculty quality has nothing to do with the quality of instruction."
Evidence is the only class required for you to become bar-certified before you graduate so that you can argue motions in court during law clerkships or externships. So yes, it is pretty freakin' important.
So you have read everything Leiter has to say? Do you agree or disagree with what he has to say? Because your previous post indicates you seem to agree with him that US News does under rank schools. Which is exactly what my point is.
Re: US News Rankings are Bogus
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September 16, 2006, 11:22:47 PM »
First of all I am not trying to argue Hastings should be ranked in the top 20 by US News I am just saying it is a lot better than 43rd and should be in the 20's or 30's. So you disagree with Leiter and think US News is a great ranking system. Awesome. I completely disagree with you... I agree with Leiter's critique of the US News rankings that he posted on his site:
"The U.S. News methodology for ranking law schools is confusing, comprising 12 different factors in 5 different categories. It is crucial to recognize two things, however, at the start. First, the relative weight of the factors varies dramatically, with some having a significant effect on the results (reputation, median numerical credentials, expenditures), while others matter hardly at all (size of the library, acceptance rates, bar passage rates). Second, the factors vary quite a bit in their susceptibility to artificial manipulation by law schools. However, the fact is some of the factors are highly manipulable, and, as a result, the overall ranking results are meaningless, though no less important, alas, because of that.
Note also that U.S. News has actually held its methodology for ranking schools constant since 1999, after making changes every year prior to that. In 1999a consequence of U.S. News having hired someone with expert knowledge of statisticsthey made perhaps the single most dramatic change in their methodology: they started adjusting per capita expenditures (item #6, below) to reflect differences in cost-of-living. The results were so dramaticAlbama turned up in the top 50, Fordham and Boston College dropped out of the top 25 (BC has since returned)that in 1999 U.S. News stopped printing the Faculty Resources rank (as they call this category): it would have been too obvious how this irrelevant expenditures category had skewed the rankings. (Of course, it still skews them, in favor of small schools like Yale and against large schools like Harvard, but more on that shortly.)
Here are the factors U.S. News employs to rank schools, in descending order of importance. The factor in question is also described as either Highly Manipulable, meaning schools can exercise, through deceit or otherwise, a lot of control over this criterion; or Not Manipulable, meaning the criterion is basically beyond a schools control.
Academic reputation (25% of the overall score). Not Manipulable. 25% of the overall score is a function of academic reputation, as measured by a survey done mid-fall of some 700 law school deans and faculty (about two-thirds fill out the surveys). Since US News switched to the new ranking scale in 1998 (1-5, where 1 is marginal and 5 is distinguished), there have been far fewer ties than there were early in the 1990s. The scores have also stabilized in to predictable clusters of Yale, Harvard, Stanford; then Columbia and Chicago; then Michigan, NYU, Berkeley; then Virginia; then Penn; then Cornell, Duke, Georgetown, Northwestern, and Texas; then UCLA; then Vanderbilt; then Southern California, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Iowa, and so on. These results arent ridiculous, but, at least with regard to faculty quality, they are also dated: NYU, for example, is clearly better than Michigan, and certainly on a par with Columbia; Chicago is at least on a par with Stanford; Yale is better than Harvard; and so on. This is unsurprising given that evaluators are presented only with a list of 180 school names, and nothing more. For a snapshot of what leading legal scholars think about faculty quality when actually presented with faculty lists, see
. Schools have little control over the results of the academic reputation survey: even improving the quality of your school (its faculty, its student body) does not necessarily result in any increase in the academic reputation score. (Case in point: NYU has seen its academic reputation score decline during a period when both its faculty and student body improved.)
15% of the overall score is based on reputation among lawyers and judges. Not Manipulable. These results reflect a survey of lawyers at large firms and federal and state judges. The response rate is low: less than one-third complete the surveys. Because U.S. News only surveys large firms, the survey is also dramatically skewed towards the Northeast (especially New York City): schools that have large alumni contingents in New York City perform, shall we say, suspiciously well in this survey by comparison to schools that are otherwise comparable. Schools have little control over the results of this survey.
12.5% of the overall score is based on the median LSAT score. Highly Manipulable. This criterion is one of many that favors small schools. Consider: a school that enrolls 180 students each year, only needs to recruit 90 with an LSAT of, say, at least 164 in order to have a strong median LSAT. A school that enrolls 450 each year, by contrast, will need to recruit 225 students (more than twice as many) with that LSAT to report the very same median. Note also that U.S. News has no way of verifying the data reported by private schools, since the American Bar Association does not collect median LSAT data, only data about the 25th and 75th percentile. So this factor is highly manipulable by the schools.
12% of the overall score is the employment rate 9 months after graduation. Highly Manipulable. This data is entirely self-reported by schools, and should be treated as essentially fiction: it may have elements of truth, but basically its a work of the imagination. Schools report it, and U.S. News has no way of checking. In addition, we know nothing about the nature of the employmentit could simply be as a research assistant, which is what Northwestern did a few years ago for its unemployed grads.
10% of the overall score is based on the median GPA of the entering class. Highly Manipulable. See the discussion in (3), above. Note, too, that the feeder schools for a particular law school will have a significant effect on this criterion. Example: schools that draw on the grade inflated Ivy League have it easier than those that draw on universities with less rampant grade inflation.
9.75% of the overall score is average per capita expenditures for this year and the prior year for instruction, library, and supporting services. Highly Manipulable. This is the figure that is adjusted for differences in cost of living. Once again, schools self-report the data. This criterion, along with (3) and (5), gives a huge boost to small schools, since per capita measures penalize for economies of scale. This explains how, in many years (including 2003), Harvard can have higher reputation scores than Yale, yet Yale will come out 1st and Harvard 3rd. Harvard is three times the size, and that makes all the difference.
The preceding are the six major factors making up a school's overall score in US News. Together they account for 84.25% of the overall score. Four of these factors are highly manipulable, and three favor small schools. The remaining six factors in U.S. News (that account for just 15.75% of the overall score) are as follows:
6% of the overall score is the employment rate at graduation. Highly Manipulable. See the discussion in (4), above.
3% of the overall score is the student-teacher ratio. ABA collects data on this, and so does U.S. News, but there are often discrepancies, which U.S. News appears to let slide. So the manipulability of this category is unclear, but seems to be high. Much depends on how schools count their faculty.
2.5% of the overall score is the acceptance rate for students. Highly Manipulable. As with (3) and (5), U.S. News has no way of verifying the data reported by private schools. In addition, many schools inflate their selectivity by giving fee waivers to applicants who have no chance of getting in. NYU is reported to have pioneered in this arena, but many others have followed suit.
2% of the overall score is the bar pass rate adjusted to reflect the avg. pass rate in the major jurisdiction where students take the exam. Not Manipulable.
1.5% of the overall score is average per capita expenditures for the current and prior year on everything else OTHER than instruction, library & supporting services--so this includes utilities, financial aid, and the like. Highly Manipulable. As with (6), the criterion also favors small schools. Stories abound about schools who, via little accounting changes here and there, boost their rank in this category astronomically.
0.75% of the overall score is the total number of volumes in the library. Not Manipulable. Schools reports this data to the ABA, which means it is checkable. (Schools that might lie to U.S. News are unlikely to lie to the ABA.)
Even putting aside the fact that this formula, with its various weightings, is impossible to rationalize in any principled way, the really striking fact about the U.S. News methodology is surely the following:
More than half the criteriaover 54%--that go in to the final score can be manipulated by the schools themselves, either through outright (and undetectable) deceit, or other devices (giving fee waivers to hopeless applicants, employing graduates in temp jobs to boost employment stats, etc.).
More than one-third of the criteria that go in to the final score favor small schools and penalize large schools.
Reread the U.S. News rankings with these two pertinent facts in mind, and a lot that looks academically indefensible about the results (Chicago behind Columbia, Penn ahead of Berkeley, Duke ahead of Georgetown and Texas) may begin to make sense."
Re: US News Rankings are Bogus
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September 16, 2006, 11:27:34 PM »
I would especially like to emphasize the last part of his critique:
"Even putting aside the fact that this formula, with its various weightings, is impossible to rationalize in any principled way, the really striking fact about the U.S. News methodology is surely the following:
More than half the criteriaover 54%--that go in to the final score
can be manipulated by the schools themselves, either through outright (and undetectable) deceit, or other devices
(giving fee waivers to hopeless applicants, employing graduates in temp jobs to boost employment stats, etc.).
More than one-third of the criteria that go in to the final score
favor small schools and penalize large schools
Reread the U.S. News rankings with these two pertinent facts in mind, and a lot that looks academically indefensible about the results (Chicago behind Columbia, Penn ahead of Berkeley, Duke ahead of Georgetown and Texas) may begin to make sense
So now we have way more than just a couple of fallacies in the US News rankings. We have Chicago behind Columbia, Penn ahead of Berkeley, Duke ahead of G-town and Texas, and the underrankings of Tulane, Hastings, and Wisconsin. I am sure there are way more than that. US News rankings are bogus.
Re: US News Rankings are Bogus
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September 16, 2006, 11:36:28 PM »
"Let's get down to brass tacks: only 30 schools can be in the top 30. Hastings isn't one of them, so here's the crux... which schools would you displace in order to satisfy your ego, and under what methodology would you displace them?"
I don't know how to compare hastings to schools outside of California but the best example I can give is UC Davis law school. It is ranked 34th in the most recent US News rankings. 9 spots ahead of UC Hastings. Yet Hastings has a far higher bar passage rate. Look at the bar passage rate site -
- out of the California schools (which YOU CAN compare to) - Hastings is ranked just ahead of USC and a good 5% ahead of UC Davis.
I found a median salary report from last year.
Hastings is ranked 30th overall. UC Davis 45th overall.
I think those should be setting off big lightbulbs for everyone here that Hastings is better than US News has it and belongs at least in the top 40 if not the top 30.
Re: US News Rankings are Bogus
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September 17, 2006, 02:43:34 PM »
"Indeed! Two of the top 5 by USNWR have 500+ 1L class sizes, and one of those is likely overranked. I would investigate the Hastings 1L class size, but LSAC is down (again)."
Hastings entering classes are a little more than 400 students with a total student body of 1,261. So it's up there in terms of size.
"Fallacy would be to say that just because some schools are underranked means that the entire ranking system is flawed.
ANY ranking system is going to leave SOME people displeased."
This isn't just being displeased. This is clear evidence of numerous schools being over ranked and numerous schools being under ranked by US News.
"Let's get down to brass tacks: only 30 schools can be in the top 30. Hastings isn't one of them, so here's the crux... which schools would you displace in order to satisfy your ego, and under what methodology would you displace them?"
Well I'm not an expert but I like Brian Leiter's Educational Quality Rankings which are based on three factors: student quality, teacher quality, and quality of instruction. In those rankings Hastings is 29th overall. But I'm not saying that's the best alternative out there. My point is that if you look at EVERY OTHER ALTERNATIVE ranking out there, Hastings is ranked higher than it is in US News.
Of course, I also think salary and bar passage rate should be important. That is a major reason behind why people go to law school - it's a professional school that people go to to start careers.
"So is your argument that the US News rankings suck? Or just that Hastings is underranked in these rankings?"
Both. Hastings is just one of many examples of how US News rankings are bogus.
"You're not at all clear on what your criteria for ranking schools should be. You know that, don't you? It's really quite pathetic. At least Fordham trolls, while irritating, have a clear (if stupid) argument -- thank God there aren't more Hastings trolls, eh?"
Like I said, I like Leiter's rankings but I also think bar passage and salary are important. However, your point here does not really address my main argument, which is that under
out there - using numerous different criteria - Hastings is ranked higher than it is in US News. There is no statistical variance. In not one of those ranks does Hastings come in higher than the 43 spot it occupies in US News.
Re: US News Rankings are Bogus
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September 17, 2006, 06:28:40 PM »
"You still have the problem of deciding which criteria are meaningful -- saying "other rankings using random criteria find differently" doesn't cut it. You still have the problem of addressing Leiter's highly suspect methodology. Furthermore, you've failed to cite "every other alternative ranking" out there."
Why is leiter's methodology so "suspect?" You're making a claim without any arguments or analysis behind it. I like Leiter's different rankings, they show you lots of different things about how schools stack up against each other. And in every single one of them Hastings is better than 43rd.
"The Ciolli study perhaps being the most important of these, but the ALAMAR rankings not being insignificant, nor the potentially forthcoming A-H rankings1."
I looked up the Ciolli study... the guys who did it are:
"a 21-year-old kid from Queens who just finished his first year at Penn's law school, the other a college dropout and insurance salesman"
"Turns out Mr. Ciolli's delusions extend to the realm of politics. As a Penn law student pointed out to me, Mr. Ciolli is also "very dissappointed with Bush" since "he is FAR too left wing for my tastes.""
Real reliable source there. But even still,
in the Ciolli study, UC Hastings comes in at #33
in national firm placement! That's ten spots better than the 43 that US News has it at. (
') Pg. 35, appendix B.
"I think this is the key distinction useful in interpreting ratings. Beyond the top 20 or 30 schools, regional reputation overwhelms other differences."
I completely agree. Which is why I think it is ridiculous that UC Davis is ranked ahead of Hastings when Hastings outperforms it in all of these alternative rankings. I think Davis is the best comparison to Hastings in terms of regions. But you are right if you want to practice in the midwest it's better to go to Wisconsin or something.
"Hastings is ranked #167 in student-to-faculty ratio. Only 13 schools in the whole country are worse."
Good point, that should definitely be a factor in rankings.
"Hastings is #72 in bar passage rate among the top 100 schools."
That is a very inaccurate measure b/c it is nationwide instead of state by state. As many people know California is one of the hardest if not the hardest Bar exams to pass. When you look at the comparison to state averages, Hastings is #9 - just ahead of USC and well ahead of UC Davis in bar passage rate!
Those last two aren't really good factors to include in rankings.
Like I said before, This isn't just being displeased. This is clear evidence of numerous schools being over ranked and numerous schools being under ranked by US News. Every other study and ranking has Hastings higher than 43. Except for this Alamar thing that has hastings at 43... but I don't know what alamar is. So you still haven't found any rankings that put hastings worse than 43. Everything else has hastings better than 43 and one is tied at 43. I think you guys are the ones with the lack of evidence here, not me. Especially considering even one of the studies YOU cited - Ciolli - has hastings way higher than 43.
So Yeah....
Re: US News Rankings are Bogus
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September 17, 2006, 07:16:28 PM »
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