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Christianity &Islam &Judaism Thomas on 24 Jul 2012 12:10 am
The insanity of religion, Batman shooting version
This article is notable because so many Christians agree with it
A miracle inside the Aurora shooting: one victim's story
For any intelligent person, the most amazing part of the article is this section:
It seems as if the bullet traveled through Petra's brain without hitting any significant brain areas. The doctor explains that Petra's brain has had from birth a small "defect" in it. It is a tiny channel of fluid running through her skull, like a tiny vein through marble, or a small hole in an oak board, winding from front to rear. Only a CAT scan would catch it, and Petra would have never noticed it.
But in Petra's case, the shotgun buck shot, maybe even the size used for deer hunting, enters her brain from the exact point of this defect. Like a marble through a small tube, the defect channels the bullet from Petra's nose through her brain. It turns slightly several times, and comes to rest at the rear of her brain. And in the process, the bullet misses all the vital areas of the brain. In many ways, it almost misses the brain itself. Like a giant BB though a straw created in Petra's brain before she was born, it follows the route of the defect. It is channeled in the least harmful way. A millimeter in any direction and the channel is missed. The brain is destroyed. Evil wins a round.
As he shares, the doctor seems taken aback. It is an odd thing to have a surgeon show a bit of wonder. Professionally, these guys own the universe, it seems, and take everything in stride. He is obviously gifted as a surgeon, and is kind in his manner. "It couldn't have gone better. If it were my daughter," he says quietly, glancing around to see if any of his colleagues might be watching him, "I'd be ecstatic. I'd be dancing a jig." He smiles. I can't keep my smile back, or the tears of joy. In Christianity we call it prevenient grace: God working ahead of time for a particular event in the future. It's just like the God I follow to plan the route of a bullet through a brain long before Batman ever rises. Twenty-two years before.
"In Christianity we call it prevenient grace: God working ahead of time for a particular event in the future." How does an intelligent person even begin to respond to such nonsense? If there were a God, an intelligent person would note the fact that this god's "grace" left 12 people dead and dozens injured in this tragedy. To say that a god saved this one women while killing all the others wanders straight into the realm of insanity. Yet millions of Christians somehow agree with it. How is that possible?
1,577 Responses to "The insanity of religion, Batman shooting version"
on 24 Jul 2012 at 6:47 pm 1.RJ said …
Christians never see a balanced picture.
They look at all the beauty and grace in nature and exclaim "Isn't God clever? What a wonderful God to give us such beauty and wonderment!" They don't, however, associate the nasty, atrocious things in nature with God.
I don't think it even occurs to them that the same God that gave them rainbows and beautiful green pastures also gave them tsunamis and devastating earthquakes.
The same God that gave them kittens and puppies to enjoy also gave them mosquitoes to bite them, poison ivy to infect them, cockroaches and ants to infest their homes and food. You get the idea (but they, of course, don't—orwon't).
The exclamation will always be "Isn't God wonderful!" at the good things butnever "WTF, God?!" at the horrible things.
on 24 Jul 2012 at 7:23 pm 2.Prime said …
Desperation and confirmation bias. That's how.
on 24 Jul 2012 at 7:39 pm 3.Lou(DFW) said …
Read what this nut-job congressman said:
Rep. Louie Gohmert Suggests Aurora Theater Shooting Result Of "Ongoing Attacks On Judeo-Christan Beliefs":
on 24 Jul 2012 at 7:57 pm 4.Lou(DFW) said …
"To say that a god saved this one women while killing all the others wanders straight into the realm of insanity."
Including a six-year old girl. It's sad to think that these theists are depraved enough to use a terrible tragedy like this one as propaganda for their delusion.
on 24 Jul 2012 at 9:34 pm 5.alex said …
idiots just can't accept random coincidence. coupled with the ego/specialMe, they thank the heavens for the touchdown or the mystical force that spared their trailer or the unexplained reason why the sun and moon appear exactly the same. it's so moronic.
given enough lottery plays, you think that the sequence 1,2,3,4,5,6 will every come up? god's work?
these are the same idiots that marvel and exclaim that the date 12-12-12 only happens every 100 years. isn't it the same for 12-13-12 or 12-14-12 and so on? somehow the triple identical digits are special and are god's work?
a medical patient is pronounced dead, but recovers. gotta be god.
god spared me and but killed the rest of the motherfuckers is not for me to answer. well it's not for me to try to explain it as god shit either.
on 24 Jul 2012 at 9:56 pm 6.Truth said …
"idiots just can't accept random coincidence.
I disagree, thinking individuals don't acknowledge life, information, design and laws as coincidence. Only the blind and mordant attempt to argue such intrepid stupidity. One of the utmost features of science is how it is continually pointing to the creator.
on 24 Jul 2012 at 10:03 pm 7.Suh said …
"To say that a god saved this one women while killing all the others wanders straight into the realm of insanity."
Well actually, no. God saved the one young lady; James killed the others. Obviously God intervened to save Petra.
What an awesome testimony this young lady has for the rest of her life. She too will die, but it was not her time.
I hadn't heard this story. Thanks
on 24 Jul 2012 at 10:03 pm 8.alex said …
"I disagree, thinking individuals don't acknowledge life, information, design and laws as coincidence."
is everything preplanned?
some are preplanned?
on 24 Jul 2012 at 10:06 pm 9.alex said …
"Well actually, no. God saved the one young lady; James killed the others. Obviously God intervened to save Petra."
so god saves xtians and fucks up the rest? god is a bad motherfucker, shut yo mouf.
on 24 Jul 2012 at 10:44 pm 10.Anonymous said …
"Well actually, no. God saved the one young lady"
Suh, explain how you know it was the work of a god and explain how you know which of the thousands of different gods worshiped by different people saved her?
on 24 Jul 2012 at 11:53 pm 11.Lou(DFW) said …
5.Truth wouldn't know truth if it bit him in the ass said …
"One of the utmost features of science is how it is continually pointing to the creator."
Why does god require "science" to reveal himself as you claim? Why does god need a holy book?
The TRUTH of the matter is that you can't find god, so you must lie in lieu of the fact that you don't have any evidence for him. Not only you, but the persons who wrote and believe this nonsensical story.
on 24 Jul 2012 at 11:53 pm 12.Prime said …
Suh wants the lucky lady here to suffer, in addition to her gunshot wound and other psychological ailments sure to follow, a more severe case of survivor's syndrome than otherwise because (s)he is simply that desperate to paint everything he sees with delusional fairy magic, whatever the costs in the real world.
on 25 Jul 2012 at 12:05 am 13.A said …
Sure Prime, you would rather she be dead too so you wouldn't have to deal with an obvious miracle, huh? What a selfish creep you are. Suh didn't paint it as a miracle, she did.
Well said!
on 25 Jul 2012 at 12:06 am 14.Lou(DFW) said …
6.Suhreal said …
"What an awesome testimony this young lady has for the rest of her life. She too will die, but it was not her time."
Die or get shot in the head?
Yes, I'm sure she was so glad to experience the horror and terror of those moments, to see innocent people and children shot to death. Yes, she was surely blessed. I can only hope that you can experience something like that in your lifetime.
Jessica Ghawi, a victim of the Aurora shooting wrote of the Toronto shooting: "I was shown how fragile life was on Saturday. I saw the terror on bystanders' faces. I saw the victims of a senseless crime. I saw lives change. I was reminded that we don't know when or where our time on Earth will end. When or where we will breathe our last breath."
Right, Suh, she sounds like she felt very blessed, too.
on 25 Jul 2012 at 12:13 am 15.Lou(DFW) said …
Isn't it amazing how god couldn't simply stop her from going to the movie or simply make the bullet(s) bounce off her head? But no, she had wasn't simply lucky, she had an unknown brain defect that god planted in her head to save her, right?
on 25 Jul 2012 at 12:24 am 16.Lou(DFW) said …
"Petra may still face additional surgeries, including optional facial reconstruction where the shot hit her nose. Her family is grateful and relieved that she will ultimately pull through, but there is now a new battle they must fight: Petra's medical bills, which they estimate may surpass $100,000."
on 25 Jul 2012 at 12:28 am 17.Lou(DFW) said …
12.ASStrophysicist said …
"What a selfish creep you are."
As opposed to someone who thanks god for saving one person via a "brain defect" while not saving a six-year old girl in the exact same situation.
"Suh didn't paint it as a miracle, she did."
Would you please show us where in that article she did that?
on 25 Jul 2012 at 12:45 am 18.Prime said …
Would I rather her die instead?
No, you reject. Take your straw man and go.
on 25 Jul 2012 at 1:31 am 19.DPK said …
Seems like if god wanted her protected, there would have been 1000 easier ways than giving her a brain defect.
Hey look, I wasn't even AT that movie theater, so god must love ME even more than her… at least I didn't get shot in the face.
on 25 Jul 2012 at 1:45 am 20.Prime said …
I've got you beat on God love, DPK. I haven't been to a movie since The Matrix came out. God made me not like going to the movies.
on 25 Jul 2012 at 1:50 am 21.Slapnuts McGee said …
Are we really that surprised that the religious are trying to capitalize on this incident? Gotta spread the good word of god even when his omniscient omnipresence fails in the most horrible of ways.
on 25 Jul 2012 at 1:59 am 22.Prime said …
In part, they have to try to capitalize on this moment since the moment itself demonstrates the opposite of their claims.
on 25 Jul 2012 at 2:00 am 23.DPK said …
Well, I've got YOU beat Lou… I've never had cancer, HIV, smallpox, or dysentery. Not only that, but I've never been killed in a plane crash, burned alive in a church fire (ever notice how many churches burn down every year? what's THAT all about?) and I've never been in tornado, earthquake, or volcanic eruption. I've never been washed out to sea by a tsunami, or had a building or bridge collapse on or under me.
God must really, really, love me…………
on 25 Jul 2012 at 2:16 am 24.Anonymous said …
But wait, DPK. To use Suh's logic (two words that are invariably mutually exclusive) people who have had cancer, HIV, smallpox or dysentery, or survived plane crashes, fires, tornadoes, earthquakes, etc – those must be the ones this god really, really, really loves.
After all, isn't this all about this god demonstrating his "love" by sacrificing a shit-load of innocent people then sparing one or two but with traumatic experiences that my well psychologically scar them for the rest of their life? What a hero, this imaginary person must be. Not.
Now, Suh. How about you explain to us which god did all this loving and how you know it was that particular one? Any bets that "Suh" will flee to be replaced by BiffBenBozo/Curmudgeon/Cleo etc?
on 25 Jul 2012 at 2:54 am 25.DPK said …
Buried in 2 lines in the story of the "miracle" is not only the fact that she was also hit by 3 other bullets, but that her mother is currently in the final stages of terminal cancer. If that's how god shows his love for those he cares enough about to plan a brain abnormality 22 years ago so she could avoid brain damage while she was being shot 4 times while watching a movie as a break from caring for a mother dying of terminal cancer…. all I can say is, your god is a prick of epic proportions.
on 25 Jul 2012 at 2:55 am 26.Lou(DFW) said …
6.Suhreal said …
"God saved the one young lady; James killed the others. Obviously God intervened to save Petra."
But he didn't intervene to save all the others – all those who were wounded, all those who were shot, all those who didn't attend that movie? Really?
God obviously intervened and saved billions of people throughout the planet who weren't killed in that movie theater, including an innocent six-year old girl?
You believe that god created a "brain defect" to "save" a shooting victim. What is the mechanism that god used to save all the other people?
What is it with your god that he likes about allowing young girls (Christina-Taylor Green, 9, Tucson shooting victim)to be murdered, all the while allowing young boys to be sexually molested by "men of god?"
Cue the sock-puppeteer.
on 25 Jul 2012 at 5:14 am 27.Severin said …
6 Suh
"Well actually, no. God saved the one young lady; James killed the others. Obviously God intervened to save Petra."
God saved Petra.
What a miracle!
God killed Veronica (6).
What a miracle!
It was all god's will!
Or, maybe it wasn't?
Fuck the monster!
If he existed, he should have been hanged on his balls for only that innocent life he had not intervened to save.
For other people he needs to have a pair of extra balls for each life he didn't save.
on 25 Jul 2012 at 5:20 am 28.Severin said …
"Sure Prime, you would rather she be dead too so you wouldn't have to deal with an obvious miracle, huh?"
12 killed, including a 6 year old child, and 58 injured.
A miracle!
God likes doing miracles with many dead people.
Is he only incapable?
A beast who enjoys killing and torturing?
Or, maybe there is no god.
on 25 Jul 2012 at 5:44 am 29.Severin said …
6 Suh
"God saved the one young lady""
Oh, NO!
There must be people who wanted to go to that theater, but gave up.
Then, here I am!
God saved my life by preventing me to travel to USA and to enter that particular theater.
on 25 Jul 2012 at 5:50 am 30.Severin said …
15 Lou (DFW)
"Petra's medical bills, which they estimate may surpass $100,000."
Don't you worry!
She will now pray for $ 100,000, and, as Jesus promised to give people EVERYTHING they pray for, she will get her money.
on 25 Jul 2012 at 11:15 am 31.Obama said …
"Petra's medical bills, which they estimate may surpass $100,000."
Hey, I I I will take care of that bill. She didn't rack up that bill, we did. I'm Obama and I care.
on 25 Jul 2012 at 12:55 pm 32.Lou(DFW) said …
30.A sock-puppet, not Obama said …
"Hey, I I I will take care of that bill. She didn't rack up that bill, we did. I'm Obama and I care."
Oh boy, here's another sock-puppet with ADD.
on 25 Jul 2012 at 2:56 pm 33.DPK said …
I wonder what we would be saying if it was discovered that an armed policeman, capable of stopping the violence in that theater, was there, but choose to just stand quietly by and watch the mayhem unfold? We would call him a coward and a monster, and we would strip him of his badge and authority for failing to act.
But god receives praise for creating a brain abnormality in a victim that maybe helped to lessen the severity of her wounds… while standing by holding his dick as dozens of other innocent people are massacred?
What's wrong with this picture? If you say god doesn't interfere in free will… ok fine. That's the way he do. But THEN don't turn around and say he creates a specific person's anatomy in a specific way that is designed to spare her permanent brain damage. I mean, he either intercedes in human affairs, or he doesn't. If he doesn't, then he is irrelevant, if he does, then he is culpable and complicit.
Another example of the insane religious insisting they can have their cake and eat it too.
on 25 Jul 2012 at 4:02 pm 34.Prime said …
DPK, there were folks in the military in that theater among the wounded, for what it's worth.
In related news, already we've seen right-wing politicians that don't have enough common decency to use their brains before their mouths call out (former state senator Russell Pearce, Republican from Arizona) exactly what you've said and then apologize for it shortly thereafter, based upon what he had to describe as "tremendous acts of courage" (by civilians, it turns out.
on 25 Jul 2012 at 4:29 pm 35.DPK said …
Not having been there, no one is qualified to judge who "would have" or "would not have" been capable of stopping the carnage. Except god, who is described as both omnipotent and omniscient, certainly would have been capable.
Members of the military? Who knows? Were they armed? Where they trying to keep others out of the line of fire? We can't judge.
Now, the faithful will admonish us for "judging god". Naturally, they fail to realize that no one is actually "judging" god, because god does not exist. All we are doing is pointing out the utter absurdity of their contentions.
With a loving, all powerful god in the picture, there are problems after problems and contradictions after contradictions. But look at the same events from the point of view of god being completely imaginary, then the outcomes are exactly what we would expect, and it all makes perfect sense.
on 25 Jul 2012 at 4:44 pm 36.Dez said …
What an awesome story of God"s grace on Petra"s life. When God intervenes he does it in amazing ways man could never understand. God is good.
on 25 Jul 2012 at 5:22 pm 37.DPK said …
"What an awesome story of God"s grace on Petra"s life. When God intervenes he does it in amazing ways man could never understand. God is good." said the village idiot.
on 25 Jul 2012 at 5:29 pm 38.Anonymous said …
Ah, how sad it is to see such public displays of nonsense from the mentally ill who insist that a magic man in the sky cares about them.
on 25 Jul 2012 at 5:49 pm 39.Severin said …
"… if he does, then he is culpable and complicit."
Especially in case if, unlike a policeman, he (god) was omnipotent.
That makes him not only culpable and complicit, but a sick monster who enjoys seeing children dying.
on 25 Jul 2012 at 5:53 pm 40.Prime said …
35.Dez said …
"What an awesome story of God"s grace on Petra"s life. When God intervenes he does it in amazing ways man could never understand. God is good."
Well-placed comment, Dez. There are about 30 of them above yours indicating why anyone who would espouse such a view is a narrow-minded moron, and yet you still made it. Very nice work.
on 25 Jul 2012 at 6:04 pm 41.Severin said …
I mean, we could show some understanding for a non-acting policeman who could be afraid for his own life. It is human to take care of yourself.
But an omnipotent god standing and just watching, then suddenly deciding to turn the bullet which targeted ONE person, NOT to a wall, but directly through her brain (because he "knew" for her brain "tunnel"), sounds idiotic.
In fact, it sounds too idiotic to be possible.
The only two conclusions we can have in this situation:
a) An omnipotent god choose to "save" a young woman in an extremely strange way, pushing her in pains and health troubles dangerous for her life, while letting many other people, including several children, to die like dogs.
If such a god exists, he cant be good. He IS a crazy monster.
b) The event had nothing to do with a god.
on 25 Jul 2012 at 6:10 pm 42.Severin said …
I admit that, maybe, we can have also the third conclusion: god exists, but did NOT take part in the event.
In THAT case, why would anyone care for his existence?
on 25 Jul 2012 at 6:20 pm 43.Severin said …
35 Dez
"When God intervenes he does it in amazing ways man could never understand. God is good."
It IS amazing, I agree!
With my poor English, I understand the word "amazing" somewhat as "incredible", "unbelievable". "unexpected", … am I close?
If I understand it well, then: to make a hole through someone's scull to "save" him (her), while watching other people and children dying, IS amazing!
AND idiotic!
on 25 Jul 2012 at 6:36 pm 44.MrQ said …
Hey Dez,
From what you write on WWGHA, I surmise that god has given you an exceptionally thick skull. Let's put that idea to a test and drop a bowling ball on it. Don't be frightened, god's in control.
on 25 Jul 2012 at 6:39 pm 45.C. A. said …
Wow, there are some seriously wounded people here. God, please keep all those who hate you or don't believe you to find you and be saved one day. I know that you care for them and do not wish that any would perish. Only you can truly minister to their needs. Please let them hear you. Amen.
on 25 Jul 2012 at 6:51 pm 46.Lou(DFW) said …
43.Crazy Ass said …
"God, please keep all those who hate you or don't believe you to find you and be saved one day. I know that you care for them and do not wish that any would perish. Only you can truly minister to their needs. Please let them hear you."
Yes, please god, please allow me to get shot in the head by one of your "children" all while I watch truly innocent children shot and murdered, while survive with a scared face while lying in a hospital bed where I cannot care for my terminally ill mother for whom I having been praying for you to save, but you haven't.
Yea, thanks a lot – GOD!
P.S. Any chance you can send $100,000 to pay my medical bills? I know that's only a drop in the bucket compared to the millions spent an TV evangelists homes, hookers, and jets, and the millions spent paid civil penalties for all the Catholic boys molested by your servants.
Please, God?
on 25 Jul 2012 at 7:04 pm 47.Lou(DFW) said …
35.Dizzy said …
"When God intervenes he does it in amazing ways man could never understand. God is good."
Would you really think so if your six-year old daughter had her head blown off while sitting next to you in a movie theater?
Or how about in a church?
on 25 Jul 2012 at 7:37 pm 48.Lou(DFW) said …
39.Prime said …
"Well-placed comment, Dez."
Would you expect anything less of him?
His comment is nothing but a troll, one made in the context of a tragedy that killed and maimed innocent people, including children.
It demonstrates how desperate to defend their delusion are theist-nuts like Dizzy.
on 25 Jul 2012 at 7:43 pm 49.Lou(DFW) said …
43.Crazy Ass said …
"God, please keep all those who hate you or don't believe you to find you and be saved one day. I know that you care for them and do not wish that any would perish."
Really? Please tell us how you "know" any such thing and how you reconcile it with the fact that god allows innocent children to be murdered in front of their parents.
on 25 Jul 2012 at 8:09 pm 50.Severin said …
"I know that you care for them …"
If he does, I would prefer not to. He might wish to "save" me, in a situation, by making me a target for a bullet.
Thanks, but no thanks!
on 25 Jul 2012 at 9:28 pm 51.alex said …
"God, please keep all those who hate you or don't believe you to find you….."
…and if they never heard about you, tough shit. please send them all to hell. that includes the mooslims, chinese, aborigines, bushmen, and dead new born babies.
on 26 Jul 2012 at 1:38 am 52.RC said …
I agree my friend. So much hatred and venom from these atheists. Their anger is so sad. We can only pray they will open their eyes and see the truth.
on 26 Jul 2012 at 2:21 am 53.Prime said …
50.RC said …
"I agree my friend. So much hatred and venom from these atheists. Their anger is so sad. We can only pray they will open their eyes and see the truth."
Lou(DFW), that's your cue to put links to all those pictures of religious people acting badly… again.
on 26 Jul 2012 at 2:33 am 54.Lou(DFW) said …
50.Retarded Christian said …
"So much hatred and venom from these atheists. Their anger is so sad. We can only pray they will open their eyes and see the truth."
Yes, we must all learn from the loving xtians. Here's the truth of xtianity that we must all learn about:
on 26 Jul 2012 at 3:28 am 55.Anonymous said …
So, theists, when Christians bomb abortion clinics in a demonstration of Christian values and love. Is it:
a) because it's god's plan, your god being a sadistic bastard.
(b) Satan's desires, hence Satan is more powerful than your god who cannot then be omnipotent.
(c) free-will, proving that your god doesn't give a shit about innocent people, particularly when you are doing his bidding making him, again, a sadistic bastard
Before you run away, do let us know the answer.
on 26 Jul 2012 at 11:28 am 56.Curmudgeon said …
The three amigos cannot help themselves RC. They cannot defend their non-position (sure it is), therefore they can only show their lack of intelligence, manners and position.
I'm very glad the blog is here. It shows all just what kind of individuals take up this position that truly does lack. We all do hope they will find some peace.
on 26 Jul 2012 at 1:02 pm 57.Lou(DFW) said …
"54.Crum said …
"The three amigos cannot help themselves RC."
And you can't hide your sock-puppetry because of your inability to correctly punctuate a sentence.
Oh yea, you didn't address any of the objections to the claim that Petra's "miracle" was the word of god:
"It shows all just what kind of individuals take up this position that truly does lack."
on 26 Jul 2012 at 2:41 pm 58.DPK said …
Hysterical that Curmudgeon, of ALL people, would have the cast iron balls to state that someone else does not defend a position.
Really Curm… Jesus HATED hypocrites, and you are the worst I have ever seem.
on 26 Jul 2012 at 4:36 pm 59.Lou(DFW) said …
56.DPK said …
"Hysterical that Curmudgeon, of ALL people, would have the cast iron balls to state that someone else does not defend a position."
I disagree. Crum doesn't have a pair at all, much less cast iron. If he did have a pair, then he would defend his position or admit that he can't. Instead, he lies about atheists. That doesn't require anything but cowardice.
on 26 Jul 2012 at 5:51 pm 60.Scourge said …
#56 It does not take "cast iron balls" to behave like Curmudgeon. One need only lack integrity. Pointing out his hypocrisy is spot on.
on 26 Jul 2012 at 10:44 pm 61.A said …
"Hysterical that Curmudgeon, of ALL people, would have the cast iron balls to state that someone else does not defend a position."
Yes! well he has a set. Those who retreat to the bunkers and claim they lack belief don't even have an empty sack.
Then again, what claim has he posted that needs backing up?
(patting myself on the back for that one)
on 26 Jul 2012 at 10:53 pm 62.DPK said …
Assman… you are too funny.
Maybe your alcohol soaked brain is too damaged to remember? There have been many… but there is only ONE that anyone really cares about. The claim that his god, unlike all the thousands of other gods that have been proposed and worshipped throughout the course of human history, actually exists.
He has promised on several occasions that I recall to provide evidence that this god actually exists, but then he always beats a hasty retreat… and then lurk in the shadows until he thinks everyone has forgotten his empty promises and then once again starts his silly, empty jabber and lies.
on 26 Jul 2012 at 10:58 pm 63.Lou(DFW) said …
(cue the sock-puppets)
61.ASStrophyscist said …
"Those who retreat to the bunkers and claim they lack belief don't even have an empty sack."
Yet here we are all, challenging the theists (and their sock-puppets) at every turn. What's next, we're all Leninists?
And to correct your lie, the claim is that you don't have any evidence for your imaginary god. Rejection of belief, no matter how many times you lie about it, is not a claim.
"Then again, what claim has he posted that needs backing up?"
That god exists. Yes, let's pretend that he didn't make any such claim. It maintains the theist defense of lying.
"(patting myself on the back for that one)"
Who else would? Oh, wait. Cue the sock-puppets again.
on 27 Jul 2012 at 12:25 am 64.Xenon said …
This DPK and Lou are either the same person or live in the same house. They are like Mutt & Jeff. You never get one without the other and they are both are incredibly insolent.
on 27 Jul 2012 at 1:09 am 65.Lucifer aka Satan said …
"God, please keep all those who hate you or don't believe you to find you and be saved one day. I know that you care for them and do not wish that any would perish. Only you can truly minister to their needs. Please let them hear you. Amen."
Hahahaha, I am going to keep God from reading this with my devilish ways! Nice try! Why God opens up his computer to check his messages, I am going to send a virus!
on 27 Jul 2012 at 2:00 am 66.Pat Robertson said …
Satan is a tool of God's love in the sense that he forces us to see God's loving patience.
If you go all the way back to the days just following creation, men lived nine hundred years or more.
There will never be world peace until God's house and God's people are given their rightful place of leadership at the top of the world. How can there be peace when drunkards, drug dealers, communists, atheists, New Age worshipers of Satan, secular humanists, oppressive dictators, greedy moneychangers, revolutionary assassins, adulterers, and homosexuals are on top?
Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.
Many of those people involved with Adolph Hitler were Satanists, many of them were homosexuals–the two things seem to go together.
The Constitution of the United States, for instance, is a marvelous document for self-government by the Christian people. But the minute you turn the document into the hands of non-Christian people and atheistic people they can use it to destroy the very foundation of our society. And that's what's been happening.
on 27 Jul 2012 at 2:20 am 67.Beer God said …
10. No one will kill you for not drinking beer.
9. Beer doesn't tell you how to have sex.
8. Beer has never caused a major war.
7. They don't force beer on minors who can't think for themselves.
6. When you have beer, you don't knock on people's doors trying to give it away.
5. Nobody's ever been burned at the stake, hanged, or tortured to death over his brand of beer.
4. You don't have to wait 2,000+ years for a second beer.
3. There are laws saying that beer labels can't lie to you.
2. You can prove you have a beer.
1. If you have devoted your life to beer, there are groups to help you stop.
on 27 Jul 2012 at 2:25 am 68.Hell said …
Is Hell exothermic (gives of heat) or endothermic (absorbs heat)?
First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time. So we need to know the rate that souls are moving into Hell and the rate they are leaving.
I think we can safely assume that once a soul gets to Hell it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving. As for how many souls are entering Hell, lets look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Some of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to hell. Since there are more than one of these religions and since people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all souls go to hell.
With birth and death rates as they are we can expect the number of souls in Hell to increase exponentially.
Now, we look at the rate of change of the volume of Hell because Boyle's Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in Hell to stay the same, the volume of Hell has to expand as souls are added.
This gives two possibilities:
1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase untill all Hell breaks loose.
2. If Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in Hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop untill Hell freezes over.
So which is it? If we accept the postulate given to me by Ms.Banyan during my freshman year that, "It will be a cold day in Hell before I sleep with you" and we take into account the fact that I still have not succeeded in having sexual relations with her, then #2 cannot be true.
Thus I am sure that Hell is exothermic and will not freeze.
on 27 Jul 2012 at 2:34 am 69.Yo said …
Xenon, yo mama's so old and fat that when God said "Let there be Light", he told her to move her fat ass out of the way.
Hor, yo mama's so old, when God said "Let there be light" she was there to flick the switch.
Biff, yo momma so fat she was mistaken for God's bowling ball!"
on 27 Jul 2012 at 2:37 am 70.Questions for theists said …
When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Leviticus 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. How should I deal with this?
I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as stated in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Leviticus 15:19-24). The problem is, how can I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
Leviticus 25:44 states that I may buy slaves from the nations that are around us. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Canadians, but not Mexicans. Can you clarify?
I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?
A friend of mine says that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Leviticus 10:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?
Leviticus 20:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help.
on 27 Jul 2012 at 2:39 am 71.DPK said …
on 27 Jul 2012 at 12:25 am 64.Xenon said …
This DPK and Lou are either the same person or live in the same house. They are like Mutt & Jeff. You never get one without the other and they are both are incredibly insolent.
Well, you can add that to the long list of things you claim to know about which you are completely and totally wrong. Haha. Nice try trying to divert attention from both your sock puppetry and your complete failure, once again, to provide any reason why anyone with half a brain should believe any of your claims about the existence of your imaginary god.
on 27 Jul 2012 at 2:41 am 72.Shit happens said …
Shit happens.
If shit happens, it's not really shit.
If shit happens, it's the will of Allah.
Shit happens because you don't work hard enough.
Why does this shit always happen to us?
This shit happened before.
Shit happens because you're bad.
Hare Krishna:
Shit happens rama rama.
T.V. Evangelism:
Send more shit.
No shit.
Jehova's Witness:
Knock knock, shit happens.
There's nothing like a good shit happening.
Christian Science:
Shit happens in your mind.
Maybe shit happens, maybe it doesn't.
Let's smoke this shit.
What is shit anyway?
This shit doesn't bother me.
on 27 Jul 2012 at 2:47 am 73.Lou(DFW) said …
64.Xenonsense said …
"This DPK and Lou are either the same person or live in the same house."
Your comment implies that you have some knowledge of our true identities or physical address. Please provide said knowledge to legitimize your claim. Until you do that makes you, as usual, a liar.
on 27 Jul 2012 at 3:10 am 74.DPK said …
Lou, you are insolent.
How dare you show such disrespect for Xenon's claims by expecting him to actually back them up with actual evidence.
Where would all the religions in the world be if everyone was so disrespectful?
Don't you know, "nice" people don't question whatever people claim on religious grounds… were you raised in some hippie commune or something?
What if everyone was as insolent as you? No wonder God wants disrespectful children stoned at the village gates. Otherwise, they might grow up to be like you (and me).
on 27 Jul 2012 at 12:46 pm 75.Xenon said …
#73 Lou
Right on cue.
on 27 Jul 2012 at 2:36 pm 76.Lou(DFW) said …
75.Xenonsense said …
"#73 Lou
Right on cue."
Imitation – the sincerest form of flattery. Thanks, Xenonsense!
Oh yea, you bothered to post this gem, but you didn't respond to:
73.Lou(DFW) said …
"Your comment implies that you have some knowledge of our true identities or physical address. Please provide said knowledge to legitimize your claim. Until you do that makes you, as usual, a liar."
Should we wait for your evidence, or do you simply want to admit that you're nothing but a liar? Go ahead, admit it, we know.
on 27 Jul 2012 at 2:37 pm 77.LNF said …
John Piper is an influential Baptist theologian, preacher, and author. This is what he said prior to the Aurora slaughter:
"It's right for God to slaughter women and children anytime he pleases. God gives life and he takes life. Everybody who dies, dies because God wills that they die. He does no wrong to anybody when he takes their life, whether at 2 weeks or at age 92."
Sadly, Piper has more than 250,000 followers on Twitter.
on 27 Jul 2012 at 2:51 pm 78.Lou(DFW) said …
77.LNF said …
"John Piper…said…
It's right for God to slaughter women and children anytime he pleases."
What about men?
on 27 Jul 2012 at 3:21 pm 79.Severin said …
Why would you think I should accept and agree that shit?
Because the idiot who told it has 250,000 followers on Twitter?
Well, I am not one of them, and I spit on that "logic".
Unlike the shit-preacher who justifies children's death by god's will, one lost children life is, for me, one lost life too much, NO MATTER how the child died.
Shame on that monster-priest!
Didn't we say many times here that religions are dangerous!?
Allah has much more than 250,000 followers.
Should we follow him?
Since when is the number of followers an argument for anything?
on 27 Jul 2012 at 3:31 pm 80.Prime said …
I think LNF's inclusion of the word "sadly" before the thing about how many Twitter followers he has indicates that he does not agree with the position of the preacher but rather is submitting it as further evidence of how disgustingly deluded many Christians are.
I can't read that anyone should follow the advice of this preacher into his comment, no matter how hard I try.
As for the preacher's lack of "men" in the comment, like most theists, he can't help but think in male-centered terminology. This is unlikely to be a position that LNF agrees with, by the tone of his comment.
The theists and sock puppets have us all a little too on-edge here. That's the problem with constantly dealing with liars and manipulators.
on 27 Jul 2012 at 3:42 pm 81.Severin said …
7 Suh
"Well actually, no. God saved the one young lady; James killed the others."
77 LNF (citing some shit -preacher)
"Everybody who dies, dies because God wills that they die. He does no wrong to anybody when he takes their life, whether at 2 weeks or at age 92."
Now you continue discussing that matter with LNF or with the slaughterer preacher he had cited.
LNF and the "preacher" (who has impressive 250,000 followers on Twitter!) claim that the 6 years old girl and other victims died because it was god's will.
James had nothing to do with it.
Of course, I still think that, if god was involved in any massacre, he (because he is omnipotent, can do ANYTHING he pleases) becomes a sick murderer.
Does god, after deciding to kill a little girl (as the "priest" teaches us), and seeing her dying, shouts, as most pervert children killers do in such situations, "I'm coming, I'm coming"?
Bad god!
on 27 Jul 2012 at 3:42 pm 82.Goose said …
"He does no wrong to anybody when he takes their life, whether at 2 weeks or at age 92."
True enough. God gives the life for a time, he takes it when it is time. It is his and his alone.
Man has no right to take life although we takes millions annually and call it a woman's right, pro-choice and many other pleasant names. New movement going now to give woman the right to take life two weeks after birth. The slide toward neo-nazism continues. Redefine the terms to make the process sound humane.
on 27 Jul 2012 at 3:43 pm 83.Lou(DFW) said …
80.Prime said …
"As for the preacher's lack of "men" in the comment, like most theists, he can't help but think in male-centered terminology. This is unlikely to be a position that LNF agrees with, by the tone of his comment."
Yes, I agree. Mine was a rhetorical question.
This "preacher" is just another religious-nut, similar to Fred Phelps.
on 27 Jul 2012 at 3:46 pm 84.Severin said …
Sorry, I missed the word "sadly", which, of course, changes the meaning of your post.
I hope you will forgive me.
on 27 Jul 2012 at 4:28 pm 85.DPK said …
82.Goose said …
"He does no wrong to anybody when he takes their life, whether at 2 weeks or at age 92."
True enough. God gives the life for a time, he takes it when it is time. It is his and his alone.
Man has no right to take life although we takes millions annually and call it a woman's right, pro-choice and many other pleasant names."
Make up your mind. According to your own convoluted logic, those millions of aborted fetuses are only aborted according to his will, and therefore it is not wrong. Geez, you can't even write 2 paragraphs without directly contradicting yourself. No wonder you folks are so easily brainwashed by some silver haired snake oil evangelist spewing hatred and nonsense. You have forfeited the ability to think clearly in order to keep your Jesus high going.
on 27 Jul 2012 at 6:09 pm 86.A said …
Ha Ha Ha, forgive DPK.
He is our foot-in-mouth blogger. He doesn't just doesn't understand but he gives me a good laugh regularly.
DPK you are such a joy to watch. Thanks buddy.
on 27 Jul 2012 at 6:30 pm 87.alex said …
look at the atheist. he votes for obama. he votes for romney. drives a gas guzzler. uses improper english. has b.o. smokes marijuana, a closet homosexual, has african genes, blah, blah, blah.
who the fuck cares? cut out the bullshit and produce your god evidence! what? i curse too much? who the fuck cares? someone's age? who cares?
don't try that bible shit. don't try personal experience. shit happens because of god? shit happens because of non god? people live and die because of god? same with a non-god.
is god a possibility? sure, but it looks like he doesn't give a fuck. why? events unfold just like it would if no god.
theists ONLY, press+
on 27 Jul 2012 at 8:23 pm 88.DPK said …
86.A said …
Ha Ha Ha, forgive DPK.
He is our foot-in-mouth blogger. He doesn't just doesn't understand but he gives me a good laugh regularly.
DPK you are such a joy to watch. Thanks buddy."
You are easily amused. Not surprising for someone who thinks a participant in a forum is a "blogger".
Now, what exactly is it that you claim I "don't understand"? Because, from where I'm sitting, all you ever post here are lies and empty claims.
So, explain to us all what it is that you know, that I don't understand. Since you won't, that demonstrates that you are a liar.
Now, watch what happens… "A" will disappear for a while, and Curm will show up and start talking about macro-evolution or some other diversion to try and take focus away from the Astrophysicist who made yet ANOTHER unsubstantiated claim he cannot back up.
on 27 Jul 2012 at 9:02 pm 89.DPK said …
For the sake of anyone jumping in, let's review:
82.Goose said …
"He {god} does no wrong to anybody when he takes their life, whether at 2 weeks or at age 92.
True enough. God gives the life for a time, he takes it when it is time. It is his and his alone."
Now, since god, at least in present day times, does not DIRECTLY take anyone's life, and since the OP was talking about the deaths in the Colorado shooting and other instances of innocent lives being taken, we can assume that any death that occurs amounts to god "taking it when it is time".
Then Goose went on to say:
"Man has no right to take life although we takes [sic] millions annually and call it a woman's right, pro-choice and many other pleasant names."
Do not these also amount to god "taking it when it is time"? If not, how come? Isn't he all powerful and doesn't EVERYTHING happen according to his plan? Or do only SOME things happen according to his plan, and other things he has absolutely no control over?
Perhaps the Ass-man is right, I just don't understand. But I think it's more likely that I don't understand because your position contradicts itself. And Ass-man finds this amusing. Well, THAT says a lot, huh?
on 27 Jul 2012 at 9:10 pm 90.Lou(DFW) said …
82.Goose said …
"The slide toward neo-nazism continues."
on 27 Jul 2012 at 9:31 pm 91.Lou(DFW) said …
86.ASStrophysicist said …
"He is our foot-in-mouth blogger."
Goose, YOU must forgive ASStrophysicist. He routinely makes incorrect claims for which he never provides any evidence.
Second, DPK isn't a blogger, nor is he "our blogger." The blogger, to put it in simple terms for ASS, is the person known as Thomas who posts the words at the very beginning of each thread. In case ASS still doesn't understand, they can also be found by clicking on the links in the upper right section labeled "Recent Posts." Finally the people who ARE NOT the blogger are everybody else other than the aforementioned Thomas who posts a comment. They are those who post comments in response to that the blogger wrote. If ASS can't understand that, it's obvious who those people are because our names appear after a number, and then followed by the word "said."
"He doesn't just doesn't understand but he gives me a good laugh regularly."
Not only does DPK give ASS a good laugh, but so do I, and I have no doubt that many other readers do as well. We know it's wrong, but it just happens as when you see someone slip and fall. After you laugh, you feel sorry for them.
Maybe now you understand what ASS means by "foot-in-mouth." If you still don't, then watch for the comments labeled "A said…"
on 27 Jul 2012 at 9:41 pm 92.Jay said …
Every night, a man sits down for supper and his two dogs sit right next to him, waiting for a handout. He fucks with them by placing a piece of chicken in front of them and then pulls it away at the last second, and keeps for himself. He usually does this several times. And, as usual, when all is done he throws one piece on the floor and lets them fight for it. The fast dog always gets.
So, if dogs think irrationally like Christians, do you think the fast dog that always gets the treat says "My master is so nice, he gave me chicken!", totally forgetting how much of an asshole the man was, and that the other dog was left without any food? What must the other dog think?
on 27 Jul 2012 at 9:45 pm 93.Lou(DFW) said …
82.Goose Egg said …
"Man has no right to take life although we takes millions annually and call it a woman's right, pro-choice and many other pleasant names."
Actually, the most common name for it is "abortion." I don't think anyone considers that a pleasant name.
Why is it you theists must intentionally misrepresent the truth? Do you think we're actually dumb enough to fall for your inept dupes? Is it cause or effect? Does a moral defect cause one to be a theist or does being a theist force one to lie to support their delusion?
on 27 Jul 2012 at 10:23 pm 94.Lou said …
What man is treating his dogs in this manner? What does that have to do with this thread?
on 27 Jul 2012 at 11:45 pm 95.Lou(DFW) said …
94.Louser said …
"What man is treating his dogs in this manner?"
The same kind of men who appear throughout the bible – imaginary men like Adam, Noah, etc., etc., etc.
on 28 Jul 2012 at 1:57 am 96.Anonymous said …
God gave his son Jesus to die on the cross for all mankinds sin! He saved our lives! Do you guys expect him to save people who do not believe in him and follow the bible! Yes God created everything and he is the almighty, but if it was not for Jesus dying on the cross we would not be here today God would have killed us all then! You can not receive what you do not deserve! We as humans created all this hate an killing in the world! Those who hear his word, believe, confess, and get baptized receive all of his glory! Surely the arm of the Lord is not too short to save,
nor his ear too dull to hear. But your iniquities have separated
you from your God;
your sins have hidden his face from you,
so that he will not hear. (Isaiah 59:1, 2 NIV)!
When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness. What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of? Those things result in death! (Romans 6:20, 21 NIV)!
For if, while we were God's enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life! (Romans 5:10 NIV)!
But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Romans 6:23 NIV)!
on 28 Jul 2012 at 12:46 pm 97.DPK said …
Figures. All the important issues and direct questions presented in this thread and Lou, the village idiot, chooses to focus on an allegorical man and his dogs as if their identity is somehow relevant.
Tell you what Lou… why don't you go and pray for the poor doggies? Jesus knows who they are, you don't need to worry about it.
What a dimwit.
on 28 Jul 2012 at 1:21 pm 98.Xenon said …
#95 – Lou
Right on cue.
"What must the other dog think?"
Jay it could be the dog is thinking life is not fair. Then some of the dogs might be thanking dogs like World Hunger dogs and Compassion International dogs and even Big Dog George Bush who give money, time and consequently food to the dogs who are truly hungry.
That dog is probably pissed at atheist who continue to keep all their food and share none with them. They probably read the stats about how tight liberals are with THEIR money (these dogs can read). They are only generous with what belongs to others.
on 28 Jul 2012 at 1:29 pm 99.Lou(DFW) said …
97.Xenonsense said …
"Jay it could be the dog is thinking life is not fair…," off-topic pro-Bush, anti-Obama rambling deleted.
94.Louser said …
"What does that have to do with this thread?"
But Xenonsense can't control his ADD and OCD, and continues rambling on, all while avoiding to substantiate his lie:
73.Lou(DFW) said …
"Should we wait for your evidence, or do you simply want to admit that you're nothing but a liar? Go ahead, admit it, we know."
on 28 Jul 2012 at 1:32 pm 100.Lou(DFW) said …
88.DPK said …
"Now, watch what happens… "A" will disappear for a while, and Curm will show up and start talking about macro-evolution or some other diversion to try and take focus away from the Astrophysicist who made yet ANOTHER unsubstantiated claim he cannot back up."
Then, in the absence of any further comment from ASS
97.Xenonsense said …
"…even Big Dog George Bush who give money, time and consequently food to the dogs who are truly hungry.
That dog is probably pissed at atheist who continue to keep all their food and share none with them. They probably read the stats about how tight liberals are with THEIR money (these dogs can read). They are only generous with what belongs to others."
on 28 Jul 2012 at 4:17 pm 101.DPK said …
Predictable as a solar eclipse, they are.
Do I win a prize or something?
It's not even fun fucking with them anymore, it's just too easy.
But, let me try to understand the progress of the argument for god so far:
1. If you are an atheist, god will not give you a brain abnormality that will allow you to get shot in the face and avoid serious brain damage, unless of course, you are an innocent 6 year old girl at the movies with her parents for a night of fun, then all bets are off.
2. If you are not an atheist, god may or may not protect you from a crazed gunman, but it's cool, because whatever happens is how he wants it, so chill. Oh, and if you ARE an atheist, he might spare you or let you get your head blown off too, but you won't find any pattern or reason to it because god is mysterious.
3. When god lets the above mentioned little girl get her brains blown out while her parent's watch, it's because it is her time to go, and it's ok because it's gods right to take her life, but if a woman aborts a fetus, god doesn't want that to happen, but he is powerless to stop it because to do so would be an abuse of his power. Now, why hwe doesn't give fetuses the power to live though the abortion process (like a brain abnormality that lets you get shot in the face)… no one can understand because god is mysterious.
4. Allegories are meaningless unless you can prove that the allegorical characters are actually real. Except for bible stories, they don't count.
5. Atheists are animal abusers, but good christians will always feed a hungry dog.
6. Bush, Obama, liberals, blah, blah… wtf?
7. What's left? Oh yeah… evolution, Stalin, Mao… Dawkins and then tada!!! Bio-genesis.
I think that about covers it. The only thing actually missing is any actual evidence showing that any god or gods in fact, exist.
on 28 Jul 2012 at 9:44 pm 102.Lou(DFW) said …
100.DPK said …
"7. What's left? Oh yeah"
97.Xenonsense said …
"#95 – Lou
Right on cue."
NOW, that covers it.
on 28 Jul 2012 at 10:22 pm 103.Ian said …
Xenon that is funny. They do follow one another like clockwork
on 28 Jul 2012 at 10:53 pm 104.alex said …
theists coming in here talking shit again? still waiting for that other tab to load your porn? still no evidence? still making fun of other people? you know everything that's happening is preordained? why do you come here? oops, there you go. your porn is done. now go back to your righteous hand.
on 29 Jul 2012 at 12:07 pm 105.Lou(DFW) said …
103.Ian said …
"Xenon that is funny. They do follow one another like clockwork"
No, the "clockwork" seen here is the pattern of comments posted by the sock-puppeteer who congratulates himself for posting an inane comment like xenonsense's (and yours), but never responds to logical comments like #101 DPK. The sock-puppets are nothing but trolls.
on 29 Jul 2012 at 4:21 pm 106.Slapnuts McGee said …
on 01 Aug 2012 at 12:04 pm 107.Lou(DFW) said …
17.Lou(DFW) said …
12.ASStrophysicist said …
"Suh didn't paint it as a miracle, she did."
"Would you please show us where in that article she did that?"
Still unanswered.
on 01 Aug 2012 at 3:30 pm 108.Stop Assume Mahn said …
All these things that you have been putting forward are nothing more than opinions.
Where was God? Why won't God? Do you think God is a child to do your bidding. You have never seen God but have you made a diligent search of the universe of all space time and eternity before you assume that there is no God.
on 01 Aug 2012 at 3:35 pm 109.Lou(DFW) said …
108.Stop Assume Mahn said …
"You have never seen God but have you made a diligent search of the universe of all space time and eternity before you assume that there is no God."
The same can be said for Santa Claus and any number of imaginary beings – so what?
on 01 Aug 2012 at 3:39 pm 110.Stop Assume Mahn said …
Yah! God is not only omnipotent but he can do whatever he likes. Psalm 135:6 'Whatsoever the LORD pleased, that did he in heaven, and in earth, in the seas, and all deep places.' God is not only the star of the film life; he is also the director. He was there right behind the physics of the guns in Aurora, he was there right behind the Administration of those who responded, he was there right behind the humanity and compassion of those that offered help. Get the one dimensional approach out of your minds – but good is over evil.
See also Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
on 01 Aug 2012 at 4:10 pm 111.Stop Assume Mahn said …
Read your Oxford dictionary. God is the creator and ruler of the universe. He is the Supreme Being. But God can be any superhuman being or spirit worshipped as having power over nature or human fortunes.
God is the creator he creates in the fullest sense of the word. Scientist on the other hand over-analyse the obvious and at best enter in to already stipulated truths and realities – worse yet they try to take the glory.
on 01 Aug 2012 at 4:19 pm 112.Stop Assume Mahn said …
Study ontology and epistemology and then you will understand the essence and meaning of God.
You cannot take an Almighty, all-creating being and match it to an angel.
You cannot take a being who existed before evil or the concept thereof and say that that being is in essence evil.
Likewise you cannot compare it to a created thing real or fictitious as the case might be.
Point omnipotent, the point where power stops being pursued and is embodied. Point omnipotent the point where all of the law stops being adhered to and is instead manufactured.
on 01 Aug 2012 at 4:33 pm 113.Lou(DFW) said …
112.Stop Assume Mahn said …
"Study ontology and epistemology and then you will understand the essence and meaning of God."
In the context of this subject, your advice is to study about thinking.
Think about this – stop thinking of ways to avoid providing evidence for your imaginary god. When you do, then it's obvious there isn't any.
Do you have said evidence or not?
on 01 Aug 2012 at 4:35 pm 114.Lou(DFW) said …
110.Stop Assume Mahn said …
"He was there right behind the physics of the guns in Aurora, he was there right behind the Administration of those who responded, he was there right behind the humanity and compassion of those that offered help."
Where was he when the innocent child was shot in the head?
on 01 Aug 2012 at 4:46 pm 115.Lou(DFW) said …
11.Stop Assume Mahn said …
"Read your Oxford dictionary."
You conveniently omitted the qualifiers "in Christianity and other monotheistic religions" and "in certain other religions."
If I defined Santa Claus in the same way that you defined god, then he would be a "figure said to bring presents for children on Christmas." Oh yea, I omitted the most important part – imaginary figure.
on 01 Aug 2012 at 4:54 pm 116.Anonymous said …
"You cannot take an Almighty, all-creating being and match it to an angel."
(1) Prove this being exists
(2) Prove this being is almighty
(3) Prove this being is "all creating"
(4) You _can_ compare it to anything you like. That's what makes it a comparison.
As Lou remarks. What you are doing is providing excuses for why you don't want to admit that this being isn't real. You have no proof so you invent reasons to hide your own failure from your personal examination.
Unless you can provide this proof, you're simply another delusional individual that can't bear to go through life without the security blanket of believing in a sky-daddy.
on 01 Aug 2012 at 5:01 pm 117.Stop Assume Mahn said …
With advisors like you who needs to call the Samaritans when they can visit your blog.
on 01 Aug 2012 at 5:02 pm 118.Stop Assume Mahn said …
Have you ever asked why God is the most common word called at shootings and massacres including Arora:)?
on 01 Aug 2012 at 5:13 pm 119.DPK said …
118.Stop Assume Mahn said …
"Have you ever asked why God is the most common word called at shootings and massacres including Arora:)?"
It's also the most common word called when one whacks their thumb with a hammer, or consummates a sex act. So what?
When the shootings take place in Iraq, they call out to Allah… the ancient Romans would call out to Jupiter or Neptune. Does that mean they are real as well?
When a child asks for toys for christmas, have you ever asked who the most common person they ask is? Santa… an imaginary person. What a bizarre statement that was.
And furthermore, those people that got killed while screaming out to god for protection… what good did it do them?
on 01 Aug 2012 at 5:14 pm 120.Stop Assume Mahn said …
It is God who gives both the innocence and the life and it is he who can both take and replenish life.
But where were the Humanist, Atheist and Scientist during the shooting.
Answer Busy making more weapons and glorifying violence.
But in a Random and Spontaneous world why care about the law? Why care who gets gunned down? Maybe you are not that Random and Spontaneous after all, maybe you love law and by that token should love the ultimate law – otherwise known as the divine law.
James 4:3
You ask, and receive not, because you ask amiss, that you may spend it upon your lusts
But it is written
The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handiwork.
Yes He who has eyes to see will see and he who inclines his heart will inherit true wisdom.
on 01 Aug 2012 at 5:23 pm 121.Stop Assume Mahn said …
You ask, and receive not, because you ask amiss, that you may spend it upon your lusts James 4:13 – so don't quote back to me whatever you ask in my name as there are responsibilities hedging around that. And the first is you must have faith. Think if Jesus said whatever you ask in my name and the first person that prayed requested a monopoly on God's will would successive petitioners get their requests. Wisdom is the principle thing with all thy getting get understanding.
on 01 Aug 2012 at 5:30 pm 122.Anonymous said …
SAM, your book of tall stories and bronze-age myths isn't proof that your god exists any more than Harry Potter books prove the existence of magic.
So, where's your proof?
If you don't have any, be honest and say so. So far all you are doing is confirming that you're delusional and afraid to face reality.
on 01 Aug 2012 at 5:39 pm 123.Stop Assume Mahn said …
Can you see your computer or laptop or I-pad or what ever you are using? If so you would have to believe if you can see it that it is being held up by something either a desk or a table top or you have it on your lap or something. It doesn't just hang on nothing. So likewise the Bible says 'The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork' The universe in all its intimidating majesty must too like your laptop stand on something and that something which it is contingent on is the person of God and the all establishing and all edifying word of God.
on 01 Aug 2012 at 5:50 pm 124.Anonymous said …
What part of this do you not understand? "SAM, your book of tall stories and bronze-age myths isn't proof that your god exists any more than Harry Potter books prove the existence of magic".
All you have is drivel and assertions. A book of stories written by uneducated goat herders isn't proof! What you are saying boils down to: "god exists because everything else exists" – that's moronic.
Now, seeing as you are being deliberately unresponsive I'm going to make the statement "you have no proof only a desperation to believe". Now, put up or shut up.
on 01 Aug 2012 at 5:59 pm 125.Stop Assume Mahn said …
God is not your next door under ten that you can push around. Life is an aspect of God's will, God's way, God's time and God's timing. Likewise true proof whether intuited or laboriously sought after is also contingent on God's will, God's way,God's time and God's timing.
What I call desperation to believe is someone shoots someone in an isolated incident in Year 2012 and you rush to the net to use it as evidence THAT the lofty and eternal God who created the whole universe and who says your thoughts are not my thoughts nor are your ways my ways… does not exist.
on 01 Aug 2012 at 6:03 pm 126.Anonymous said …
So, in #125, we see you dancing around the admission that neither you nor anyone else has proof for the existence of this god of yours. Now, wasn't that easy?
on 01 Aug 2012 at 6:14 pm 127.Stop Assume Mahn said …
Why do you want proof? Proof is a valuable thing, isn't it? And proof of God who is the sole arbiter of value must be one of the most valuable commodities on earth. But don't you think an all-intelligent God knows that. No wonder proof of him can't be found. If God was into crime or if he goes into crime tomorrow NCIS would have a hard time. Thus proof of God will never be found BUT out of his own mercy and wise mind God makes himself known to those he will. No you won't find proof of God BUT through God's mercy and no merit or virtue of man's own God may reveal himself to whomsoever he wills.
on 01 Aug 2012 at 6:45 pm 128.Lou(DFW) said …
Ted, Chris, Lover, now Stop Assume Mahn – sound familiar?
on 01 Aug 2012 at 8:10 pm 129.Severin said …
"It is God who gives both the innocence and the life …"
… and stupidity.
Why don't you go home and find someone willing to listen to your bullshits there.
I am not interested.
on 01 Aug 2012 at 8:20 pm 130.Severin said …
"But where were the Humanist, Atheist and Scientist during the shooting."
You REALLY are an idiot!
The people you named were not almighty like your god.
I am an atheist, and I bet I would try to do something if I was there. To try to hide children from line of fire, at least.
Your god didn't give a fuck for dying children!
An "almighty" who, according to YOUR words (#110), WAS there.
An almighty monster?
Or, maybe, there is no god at all?
I prefer THAT explanation rather than thinking about how monstrous god we could have.
Giving and taking lives is his right?
Fine, but practicing such rights from someone having power makes him a lunatic.
Remember Hitler?
on 01 Aug 2012 at 8:25 pm 131.Severin said …
"So likewise the Bible says 'The heavens declare the glory of God;"
Some 2000 years B.C. there was written on an Egyptian stone that "The sun declares the glory of Ra"
Do you take it for granted?
If not, why not?
on 01 Aug 2012 at 9:01 pm 132.Moss said …
"The sun declares the glory of Ra"
Forget all my questions to you Severin. I do not converse with liars or those who participate in Reductio ad Hitlerum.
on 01 Aug 2012 at 9:51 pm 133.Lou(DFW) said …
132.Moss said …
"I do not converse with liars…"
What did he lie about?
"…or those who participate in Reductio ad Hitlerum."
Oh boo-feaking-hoo! Then take your keyboard and go home.
A comparison of any maniacal murderer, or one who allows such acts, to Hitler is NOT an ad hominem. But I'll I give you credit for the most creativity in avoiding discussion of your imaginary god. And at least you didn't include a reference to a TV show to avoid same.
on 02 Aug 2012 at 2:35 am 134.Anonymous said …
132.Moss "Forget all my questions to you Severin. I do not converse with liars or those who participate in Reductio ad Hitlerum"
What questions to Severin would that be? Ones that you posted under a different ID?
on 02 Aug 2012 at 6:13 am 135.Severin said …
132 Moss
"Forget all my questions (1) to you Severin. I do not converse with liars (2) or those who participate in Reductio ad Hitlerum (3)."
1. What questions?
2. What lies?
Please be specific, I can't find your questions or my lies.
3. You are right! If someone almighty (able to do whatever he wants, no limits) was present during a gunshot massacre, and let children be brutally killed, then comparison to Hitler is too weak. Hitler was mighty, but not almighty.
I will propose GOD as a new standard for comparison of sickest and evillest brutality in future.
For example: "Remember god in Aurora massacre?"
Or: "Remember god in holocaust?"
Or: … oh, well, enough examples in the Bible.
on 02 Aug 2012 at 6:25 am 136.Severin said …
Are you also "Stop Assume Mahn"?
Hiding under different names is nothing I would appreciate.
I will gladly and readily forget YOU, a liar.
on 02 Aug 2012 at 11:38 am 137.Biff said …
"Some 2000 years B.C. there was written on an Egyptian stone that "The sun declares the glory of Ra""
Where is the proof Severin?
on 02 Aug 2012 at 2:43 pm 138.Don't Get Me Mixed Up said …
No body is going to give you proof for your God. If you want to imagine up your own God go find proof for him your self.
By the way when you 'buse' this God of your imagination into giving you proof for his existence what do you want to do with him? Make him your bellboy or your gardener?
My Bible tells me 'It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God'. Hebrews 10:31.
It is nicer to have an A-bomb dropped right on top of your head than to fall into the hands of Almighty God.
And by the way I have no problem with a God of vengence who visits mankind with plagues and pestilence and buffets sinners at every turn and who has prepared eternal hell and damnation for sorry losers who forfieted on the glorious Gospel story.
So there.
on 02 Aug 2012 at 2:46 pm 139.Lou(DFW) said …
137.Biff biffed …
"Where is the proof Severin?"
The proof of what? Ancient Egyptian religion was based upon a sun god or gods, one common name being Ra. There are many ancient artifacts that include inscriptions and artwork of Ra. Are you disputing that? If so, for what purpose other than to avoid providing evidence for your imaginary god?
Sev's reference, whether true or not, was obviously meant to illustrate the fallacy of using ancient god artifacts such as the bible, Egyptian stones, etc., as evidence for said gods.
Do you not understand that, or are you simply being an obstinate asshole because you can't reply in any other way?
on 02 Aug 2012 at 2:47 pm 140.Lou(DFW) said …
138.I Am Very Mixed Up said …
"And by the way I have no problem with a God of vengence who visits mankind with plagues and pestilence and buffets sinners at every turn and who has prepared eternal hell and damnation for sorry losers who forfieted on the glorious Gospel story."
Why must god punish innocent children with plagues and pestilence, or anybody else for that matter, when he's going to send them to hell anyway?
on 02 Aug 2012 at 2:50 pm 141.Don't Get Me Mixed Up said …
You love your mortal lives unto death and forfeit your eternal souls. How stupid. That's like being paid $1000 for a weeks wage and you give it back and ask for $10 instead since it is easier to calculate your spending from $10.
on 02 Aug 2012 at 2:54 pm 142.Don't Get Me Mixed Up said …
Even a technical matter is clear to those whose spiritual eyes are open. But the blind see nothing.
on 02 Aug 2012 at 3:11 pm 143.Don't Get Me Mixed Up said …
Don't you understand God is the Almighty Creator he giveth and taketh away.
I am a vegan/fruitarian I don't eat meat because I don't believe in taking life in that way. What about you do you eat meat and if so do you know that that chicken burger you ate could have been some little chicken's mum or dad or sister or brother. Yet you don't see it wrong because you believe that man is the top of the food chain – that he is a superior race.
That I cannot vouch; for but I can say that God is the Universal Superior and it is he that is the true top of the food chain.
Look if Hitler had proved to the world that he was God there would have been no war.
Winston Churchill would have said Cheers Hitler, kill as many as you like and yes Hitler you can tickle my tummy if you want.
on 02 Aug 2012 at 3:43 pm 144.Lou(DFW) said …
143.I Am Mixed Up said …
"I am a vegan/fruitarian"
Obviously, you're a fruit. You're here only to rant and rave rather than contribute to the conversation.
Otherwise, why must god punish innocent children with plagues and pestilence, or anybody else for that matter, when he's going to send them to hell anyway?
on 02 Aug 2012 at 4:00 pm 145.Don't Get Me Mixed Up said …
Lou Said 'You're here only to rant and rave rather than contribute to the conversation.'
Who is ranting and raving?
This is the blog most guilty of ad hominem attack on the website.
But when will you get it?
God does not answer to you.
Have you ever heard possession is 9/10 of the law?
You and all mankind are part of God's property to utilise and dispense of as he sees fit.
Why should God care less if you have proofs of him or not?
Yes God realised that creating man was the stupidest thing he could have done. Thus man was made on day 6 – 6 the number of imperfection and again in Genesis 6:6 we read 'The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain.'
So when you try to play God as humanist or as Atheist, you have only fulfilled the prophesies of God. I want myself to have? The Mark of the Lamb of God. Not 666 which is the mark of a man; of the beast –
Of depraved minds; of insubordinate men and athiestic souls.
on 02 Aug 2012 at 4:06 pm 146.Lou(DFW) said …
145.I Am Mixed Up said …
Why are you avoiding the question:
Why must god punish innocent children with plagues and pestilence, or anybody else for that matter, when he's going to send them to hell anyway?
"Who is ranting and raving?"
You, obviously.
"God does not answer to you."
Neither does any other imaginary being. So what?
"Have you ever heard possession is 9/10 of the law?"
The 11th Commandment?
"Why should God care less if you have proofs of him or not?"
Because if he loves and cares for me, then he would want me to know that, would he not? I have not seen ANY evidence of that.
"Yes God realised that creating man was the stupidest thing he could have done."
Then he isn't omnipotent.
"Of depraved minds; of insubordinate men and athiestic souls."
More ranting and raving…you're a nut.
on 02 Aug 2012 at 4:41 pm 147.Don't Get Me Mixed Up said …
Look I grew up in my younger life in a Church, BUT about two decades ago as a teenager I was experimenting with being an Athiest. And that was only a step up from another level, 'Not Giving a Monkeys'.
Yet the sheer force of logic and the omnipresent obviousness of God's existence led me to return to my roots as a believer, now every day I get stronger and wiser.
So there is hope for everyone; provided you don't let your hope time out, for then there is nothing but eternal corruption.
Omnipotent means being able TECHNICALLY to do anything. Wise means using your Omnipotence to do the most valuable things. Justice means being fair and a fair God puts himself first or he is not God.
More than the Loving or the Power – God is the First and the Put-First.
If God helps man to his detriment or indignity only then is he a dumb God – and that is in the final analysis.
As Plato argued nothing (no situation, thing or otherwise) is tenable without Justice.
The closest God came to being unjust to himself was the cross of Calvary. And that was because of the Law of Love. You can say God is not omnipotent. Who is? How can act A be done and also not be done? And that is without first departing from the criteria or meaning of the act in that instance?
One may be, to start with, Omnipotent or possessed of Infinite Potential – then that Omnipotence is dispensed according to wisdom.
An All-Loving, All-Powerful God may help man and may prove himself to sinners but A God who does 'The God Thing' that is 'Uphold His Pre-eminence Under all Situations' will never make a fool of himself for man's sake and if that means brimstone and fire that is no problem to God.
on 02 Aug 2012 at 4:46 pm 148.Lou(DFW) said …
147.I Am Mixed Up said …
Still no discussion, only ranting and raving…
on 02 Aug 2012 at 4:46 pm 149.Prime said …
Nothing like capslock to make you sound smart.
on 02 Aug 2012 at 7:53 pm 150.Anonymous said …
Putting your excuses in all caps has the effect of making them seem even more desperate than before.
on 02 Aug 2012 at 8:17 pm 151.Lou(DFW) said …
Do animals have free will?
How is anything that happens to animals different than what happens to humans?
(For the sake of this discussion we will ignore that humans are animals.)
on 02 Aug 2012 at 8:56 pm 152.A said …
"Nothing like capslock to make you sound smart."
Severin & Louis take note for the future. Your capslock is not to be used for future attempts at sounding serious.
on 02 Aug 2012 at 8:57 pm 153.A said …
"Some 2000 years B.C. there was written on an Egyptian stone that "The sun declares the glory of Ra""
Where is the proof Severin?
Severin you are awfully quiet…..
on 02 Aug 2012 at 9:43 pm 154.Lou(DFW) said …
152.ASStrophysicist said …
"Severin & Louis take note for the future."
As opposed to the past?
"Your capslock is not to be used for future attempts at sounding serious."
As opposed to past attempts?
Do you understand the concept of grammar repetition?
ASS, do you ever have have an original thought? It's bad enough that you can't ever answer any questions about your frequent and regular idiotic comments, but you don't even have any wit.
It's said that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. In lieu of any creativity, you rely on others for the source of your feeble attempts at wit. Apparently, that's a trait of theist sheep like yourself.
on 02 Aug 2012 at 9:53 pm 155.Spherical Basterd said …
All Mixed Up Regurgitated:
"Omnipotent means being able TECHNICALLY to do anything. Wise means using your Omnipotence to do the most valuable things. Justice means being fair and a fair God puts himself first or he is not God."
So you're saying your god is a selfish asshole..
OK, I can get behind that. My question is: Why would you worship and obey someone like that? Are you that weak minded and cowed by your own existence that you would follow a psychopath rather than think for yourself?
Wow! Mixy, you are a weak minded lame willed, milquetoast, dumbshit who would rather serve an asshole on your knees than stand up to and defy a psychopath.
Man up you pussy!
on 02 Aug 2012 at 9:57 pm 156.Severin said …
Proof for WHAT?
I am not your answering machine, and I am not going to teach you history of religions of ancient Egypt.
If you want to learn something about it, buy a ticket and go to Egypt.
Cheaper way is to "google" some answers for yourself, if you know how.
Here is a hint for you: Ra = sun, and Ra/sun was worshiped by ancient Egyptians, and is presented (and glorified) on tens of thousands of ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs (on stones, of course).
Now you finally prove existence of your god.
on 02 Aug 2012 at 10:14 pm 157.A said …
You are a liar. Evidently the stone does not exist. Typical BS from you.
on 02 Aug 2012 at 10:17 pm 158.40 year Atheist said …
Chik fil A had a banner day yesterday, as customers stood in lines for hours during Chik fil A Appreciation Day. Chik fil A has a different opinion than the AtheoLeft, and that is driving the AtheoLeft to distraction, charging Chik fil A with general EEEvilness due to being out of the AtheoLeftist fold and control. Chik fil A's crime? Supporting the core male-female parent family. That support offends the sensibilities of the AtheoLeft and homosexuals who obviously do NOT support such a hideous concept, and deem it unconsionable and IMMORAL (regardless of their general lack of moral absolutes).
AtheoLeftists took to Twitter yesterday with their wishes for death and suffering for the EEEvil nonconformists who are not part of their own opinionated group. Some of these were accumulated on Twitchy for your perusal.
Also in the news is the intent to pursue the government interventionists who threatened Chik fil A and then recanted under pressure. They were likened to a mugger who gives back your wallet and watch when a bystander pulls a gun on him: the crime is not obliterated by backpedalling when you discover that you are caught out in the open. This part is great:
"Moreno categorically denied violating state law and accused the GOP of "political grandstanding.
The alderman also rescinded the threat he made last week to keep Chick-fil-A out of his ward."
Political Grandstanding. That's rich! It's as if there is no self-awareness for these folks.
on 02 Aug 2012 at 10:21 pm 159.Don't Get Me Mixed Up said …
151 Lou Said
'Do animals have free will?'
'How is anything that happens to animals different than what happens to humans?'
Here is where the dirt from you grave is falling in on you.
Why don't you ask yourself if non-human animals have freewill?
I believe you would say that any animal not restrained by a Creator God has free-will.
Ask yourself how does anything animals do differs from what humans do?
So if you are a vegan or a fruitarian answer, Are you?
Or If not you could be guilty of doing to animals just what you are accusing God of doing to Man interupting and taking their lives with voilence.
Jesus did say take the message to every creature.
God did say to Eve and Adam eat of the trees of the field – That was the original plan.
Revelation 21 and 22 teaches that there will be no death in the Holy New Jerusalem. So that is why I don't eat meat.
Can you say the same Lou/Sev?
on 02 Aug 2012 at 11:17 pm 160.Lou(DFW) said …
156.ASStrophysicist said …
Right, we'll see how long your *plop* lasts.
"You are a liar. Evidently the stone does not exist. Typical BS from you."
He didn't lie about anything. Not having evidence for what he claimed is not a lie, nor does it mean that such a stone does not exist.
But he was stupid in the way he worded his analogy, but only to the extent that he should have known that you were going to jump on it like stink on shit – because that's all you have to contribute here. You're the pigeon on the chess board.
on 02 Aug 2012 at 11:27 pm 161.Lou(DFW) said …
157.40 year A-hole said …
"Political Grandstanding. That's rich! It's as if there is no self-awareness for these folks."
Un-freakin' believable! What else need be said?
on 02 Aug 2012 at 11:40 pm 162.Lou(DFW) said …
158.I Am Mixed Up said …
"Here is where the dirt from you grave is falling in on you."
I will cremated.
"Why don't you ask yourself if non-human animals have freewill?"
Self, do non-human animals have freewill? No, they don't
"Ask yourself how does anything animals do differs from what humans do?"
Self, does anything animals do differ from what humans do? No.
"So if you are a vegan or a fruitarian answer, Are you?"
"Or If not you could be guilty of doing to animals just what you are accusing God of doing to Man interupting and taking their lives with voilence."
You either have a reading comprehension problem or you're intentionally lying about what I wrote in order to suit your agenda. I didn't write that god takes lives.
"So that is why I don't eat meat."
Irrelevant. So what? Who cares?
"Can you say the same Lou/Sev?"
Yes, I can "say it" – the same Lou/Sev.
Now, one more time (concentrate):
Why must god punish innocent children with plagues and pestilence, or anybody else for that matter, when he's going to send them to hell anyway?
on 03 Aug 2012 at 12:55 am 163.Gods always behave like the people who created them said …
Gods always behave like the people who created them.
on 03 Aug 2012 at 1:56 am 164.MrQ said …
Mixed Up,
Thanks for making me smile. You are a real whiz kid and an entertaining read.
Keep up the good work.
on 03 Aug 2012 at 2:09 am 165.Curmudgeon said …
I think Dan Cathy should send the Chicago wind bag a Thank You card with a nice check.
on 03 Aug 2012 at 2:12 am 166.Prime said …
I can't believe I agree with Curm. I think Cathy should send a check to someone other than anti-gay hate-groups and Christian delusion-camp causes too!
on 03 Aug 2012 at 3:15 am 167.Lou(DFW) said …
157.40 year A-hole said …
"Chik fil A had a banner day yesterday, as customers stood in lines for hours during Chik fil A Appreciation Day."
There's nothing like a bunch of xtians getting worked-up over a non-threat. They're so manipulated by the right-wing media talk-show hucksters that more of them go to support a fast-food restaurant than do vote. Yeah, that's it, show your unity and support – eat some chicken nuggets and waffle fries!
Maybe Romney will learn something from this – promise some chicken nuggets and waffle fries to everyone who votes for him!
Oh, but wait! I Am Mixed Up wrote:
"Revelation 21 and 22 teaches that there will be no death in the Holy New Jerusalem. So that is why I don't eat meat."
I wonder – where was 40 Year A-hole's condemnation when Starbucks, Target and General Mills were targeted with boycotts encouraged by the American Family Association and the National Organization for Marriage? Where was he when One Million Moms demanded for JCPenny to fire Ellen DeGeneres as their spokesperson? Yes, we all know what an evil influence and threat she is! What could be worse that 40 Year A-hole has spoken not against?
Yes, let's keep our priorities in proper order. Carry on xtian soldiers!
on 03 Aug 2012 at 7:19 am 168.Severin said …
I knew you were unable to "google" the simplest thing with your level of intelligence!
http://www.ancientegyptonline.co.uk/bookgates2.html :
"Atum works on behalf of Ra, glorifying the god, …"
http://www.ancientegyptonline.co.uk/Atum.html :
"Atum, Ra, Horakhty and Khepri made up the different aspects of the sun."
In fact, there are thousands of ancient Egyptian writings on stones and papyrus in which other gods, that represent the sun, glorify Ra.
A miserable "plop"!
Now, WHO ANSWERS PRAYERS OF MUSLIMS?
on 03 Aug 2012 at 7:25 am 169.Severin said …
How do you know that "he (god) made man"?
I'we read that Ra created the universe (including man), but I did not take it for granted.
How can I trust you when you say another god "made man"?
Enlighten us!
on 03 Aug 2012 at 7:26 am 170.Severin said …
Maybe YOU know which god answers the prayers of Muslims?
on 03 Aug 2012 at 11:57 am 171.Curmudgeon said …
The Chicken store was threatened by the mayors of 3 cities. Show us Lou where one of your pet causes was threatened by mayors of very large cities? It is against the law. What organizations and individuals did was boycott which just happens to be legal.
Maybe you can tell us why the mayor of Chicago was willing to be on staff with a POTUS having the same view of gay marriage.
on 03 Aug 2012 at 3:34 pm 172.Lou(DFW) said …
169.Crum said …
"Show us Lou where one of your pet causes was threatened by mayors of very large cities?"
I really don't care about any of this except to the extent that its CEO invoked the name of god to promote his agenda, and that 40 Year A-hole automatically associates atheists with anything he doesn't like. And the legality of the boycotts isn't the issue here. It's the idea that any group of people want to organize boycotts against businesses because they don't agree with their ideals.
But, typical of xtians, the CFA corporate purpose is one of hypocrisy – "To glorify God by being a faithful steward of all that is entrusted to us. To have a positive influence on all who come in contact with Chick-fil-A."
For the record, I think the mayors were wrong in their reactions. But, I wonder how different things would be if he made similar comments about blacks or Muslims?
BTW – guess who defended CFA against said boycotts? That "AtheoLeftist" organization, the ACLU.
My "pet causes" are none of your business.
on 03 Aug 2012 at 3:36 pm 173.Lou(DFW) said …
169.Crum said …
"Maybe you can tell us why the mayor of Chicago was willing to be on staff with a POTUS having the same view of gay marriage."
Maybe I would if this blog was about political discussions. I understand you must pursue these discussion in lieu of the fact that you can't provide any evidence for your imaginary god.
on 03 Aug 2012 at 11:54 pm 174.Curmudgeon said …
Don't run, we can make this fit the discussion Why would Rahm, a Christian and the mayor of Chicago be willing to be on staff with a POTUS having the same view of gay marriage as Dan Cathy? This would make him a hypocrite would it not?
Would this prove God exists? Why wasn't this an issue almost 4 years ago?
To take your comment a step further, why were the Gays not kissing and having sex on the lawn of the White House? Sounds like they are hypocrites too.
on 04 Aug 2012 at 12:23 am 175.Prime said …
You'd think people who are likely to support Mitt Romney in the upcoming election would understand that people can grow and change their minds on things. Oh.. never mind.. Governor Romney is not growing or changing his mind, he's just saying what he thinks people want to hear.
Carry on being stupid, Curm.
on 04 Aug 2012 at 5:37 am 176.Severin said …
"Not having evidence for what he claimed is not a lie, nor does it mean that such a stone does not exist."
Thank you, Lou.
I am too cautious to say something without previously preparing some support to what I intended to say, knowing that those idiots will immediately "bite" it and "chew" it for weeks, trying to make someone a liar, in attempt to deflect the debate from their own misery and impotency and ignorance to other, irrelevant, topics.
Now I am predicting what will happen: they will ignore their miserable "plop", as they did every time, then they will continue shitting after some time as nothing happened.
on 04 Aug 2012 at 5:43 am 177.Severin said …
(probably: "… as that nothing happened" ?)
on 04 Aug 2012 at 5:46 am 178.Severin said …
A, you are awfully quiet!
on 04 Aug 2012 at 10:39 am 179.Lou(DFW) said …
174.Crum said …
"Sounds like they are hypocrites too."
So, what if they are? Are they hypocrites in the name of god? You can stop trying to excuse xtian hypocrisy based on "everybody else is, too."
on 04 Aug 2012 at 11:31 am 180.A said …
You are right. They cannot be a hypocrite because they have no moral code. You got Curmudgon on that one.
on 04 Aug 2012 at 11:50 am 181.Lou(DFW) said …
180.ASStrophysicist said …
"You are right. They cannot be a hypocrite because they have no moral code."
You're such a lying a-hole – so much for your moral code. I never wrote/implied any such thing. If anything, my comment "So, what if they are?" implies AGREEMENT.
Before you go-off on me about using caps, it's not for any other reason than a vain attempt to get through your thick skull.
"You got Curmudgon on that one."
I get him and you and all your sock-puppets every time. But the thing is, you make it oh so easy! It's like shooting fish in a barrel.
on 04 Aug 2012 at 4:02 pm 182.Severin said …
As I predicted: he challenged me to give evidence for something, then he "triumphed", a lot, because I, at first, refused to give them, calling me a liar and mocking me for my (a few hours!) not posting ("… you are awfully quiet"), then "plopping" me, …
Now, a few days after I posted evidenced he required, and he never excused for his being a moron, he is posting further as that nothing happened; he calls other people liars and immoral, …
If I would have been SO abased, I would never ever post again on this blog.
From what material are you made, A?
I think from shit.
on 15 Aug 2012 at 10:33 pm 183.God and other Ancient Superstitions said …
This reminds me of the Pope's story, told on lots of demerol, that someone caused the bullet to deflect and miss killing him by a millimeter. Why not miss him completely? Where was God before the killings? He couldn't have caused the freak to commit suicide before all the murders? And whenever something good happens in an otherwise sea of horror, it's God's work, but the millions of children who die horrid deaths everyday are our fault-you know-that illusion "Free Will." Free will this you retarded freaks, get your tiny heads out of your lord's ass. He's constipated, and that can only mean more godly shit on the horizon.
Try the old separation of identical twins at birth. Put one with the most loving, nourishing and intelligent family in a beautiful environment, and take the other and throw it into a nightmare of hate, ignorance, lack of food, no education, drugs all around, no words of encouragement, and bring them together at 18. We'll see how free will had anything to do with either one. Fucking complete idiots. If you feel better lying to yourself and nourishing your childish ego (I never want to die), my god is the true god, just be careful what you ask for, and don't drivel that bullshit around me.
on 15 Aug 2012 at 10:56 pm 184.God and other Ancient Superstitions said …
Btw, haven't any of you delusional egocentrics ever wondered why George Washington said, "He never intended for the clergy to have any say in the foundation of the United States." Look it up. He was worried about another fruitcake theocracy happening again. All of you couldn't care less what happens to this country and world. You're all going on the Jeebus cloud……Weeeeeeeee!!!!!
That's the Father of our country, not some dimwit, present day repuglican. After five minutes, at most, with a thieving liar like Willard Romney, he run his sword through the traitors gut. What a great American that Willard is. LOL!!!!!!! Steal, pay no taxes, ignore the one thing he's sworn to uphold and all the little minded Repugs go a running to vote for the best they they could scrape from the bottom of the Repug dump. When is some brave patriotic Constitutionalist going to shove a Mossberg up his ass and pull the trigger? How much do you want to bet all that would exit Williard is hot, pungent air? If we could just catch him without those magic panties on.
on 15 Aug 2012 at 11:28 pm 185.God and other Ancient Superstitions said …
No!!!! Could some twit still be arguing that morality originates from religion? Ha-hahaha!!!!! Don't read much do they? I doubt they read that disgusting novel too, or they'd know the Bable is a textbook for amorality and all one needs to do is take a look at their precious ten commandments. The first 4 have nothing to do with morality. Only two are laws, but as long as you don't covet your neighbor's ass or livestock, you can see how inspiring they've been. Why just after coming down the Mount, the fictional Mo went on a mass murdering spree. I'm sure the cartoon fathered a kid at 98 in a time you were considered ancient if you made it to forty. 600,000 citizens, an army of 2 to 3 million, so as many as 3.6 million and not a hint of them ever wandering through Egypt for 4 decades. Just the livestock alone would have left so many bones you'd have a difficult time not stepping on one every other step. Nothing carved in stone, nothing written on papaya, nada, zilch, zero evidence. Were any sane people surprised that the agnostics and atheists scored the highest in the April 2011 national religious quiz? Hey Jeebus freaks; Start reading the Bible cover to cover, and finish it. It's the fastest path to atheism. If you do that (you won't though) and you can still say that's the inspired written word of god, then you're lying. LOL!!! Twice your God refers to Pi as 3.1? WOW. And this was 4 to 5 centuries after the Egyptians went a long way past the decimal. Smart God. He couldn't even properly translate the word alma. Mary nor Jesus ever say she was a virgin and the few times they speak it's a rather curt and confused dialog. Geee, I'm falling asleep. Well, it's good for one thing, eh? LOL. Morals? NO!!!!
on 16 Aug 2012 at 12:01 am 186.God and other Ancient Superstitions said …
@Curmudgeon : I only had to scroll up a few posts and there it is: more gay talk. Seriously, do you freaks ever think about having sex with a woman? I mean you talk so manly (not really, LOL), but all I hear is gay talk. I couldn't care less what the gays are up to, and that's a hell of of a way to label a group of people, so I apologize. I'm serious though. If not for you obsessed freaks I'd never think about anyone's sexuality unless I'm with a person and they brought it up, but that's never happened. Of course, the women I socialize with need not announce their likes. They already have by the time we're friendly. Get yourself a good woman (if you really are into that) and shut the fuck up. Btw, when did Chicago's thief mayor stop being a Jew? Oh yeah, if you're a Repug, don't tell me you haven't noticed how rampant homosexuality is in the Repug party. I don't mind, but you're filled with those closeted, self-hating and anti equal-rights voters. Talk about hypocrites. You freaks really do resemble the Nazis more each day. You know the Repugs are experiencing some sexual confusion when a frequenter of houses of prostitution gets a standing ovation for paying to bang a woman-even if he was horrid at it. Congrats little Vitt, at least you got an inch in her clit.
on 26 Dec 2012 at 7:01 pm 187.Wouldubelieveit said …
Proof of Heaven? I have no proof of Heaven. Do you have proof you keys will crank your car? If your not in the car with it run, How can you prove to me that you keys will crank your car. OH it takes FAITH? You have to walk out to you car open the door sick the keys in the ignition and hope your battery is not dead then you turn it on and the car start, that is faith that is doing what you have faith ("believe") in. I have that same kind of Faith in Gods word. I will walk out the word, I have the keys to the kingdom of God, I know the word that my battery is not dead to share his love and Grace.
on 26 Dec 2012 at 7:09 pm 188.Wouldubelieveit said …
Why would you need faith if you can see it. I though seeing was knowing it is real. the Sun I see in the sky in the day time I don't see it in the night sky I see the proof it sometimes on the moon even though I don't see it. Then I hope I will see it in the Morning. Figure this out
on 26 Dec 2012 at 7:32 pm 189.Anonymous said …
I figured it out. You are literally insane.
on 26 Dec 2012 at 9:09 pm 190.Lou(DFW) said …
187.Wouldubelieveit said …
"Proof of Heaven? I have no proof of Heaven."
That's correct – you only have "faith."
"Do you have proof you keys will crank your car? If your not in the car with it run, How can you prove to me that you keys will crank your car."
LOL! Simple. I start the car, moron. I don't have "faith" that it will start, I know it will start so long as the battery and the car are in a certain condition.
If I disconnect the battery and attempt to start it, then I know for a fact that it will not start. I don't have to have "faith" to know that.
"I will walk out the word, I have the keys to the kingdom of God…"
Perfect! Why don't you do us a favor and take your keys and go to heaven, now. But you won't do it because you don't have any "faith" that supports your claim. You're a lying coward. If you're not, then leave for heaven RIGHT NOW. If you continue to post comments here, then that proves that you are a liar and that you don't have any faith that heaven is real.
on 26 Dec 2012 at 11:01 pm 191.alex said …
"Why would you need faith if you can see it."
I guess you're just a stoic mofo. Nothing surprises you then, eh? You don't wear seatbelts or have insurance. Your faith just keeps you going, right? Not! You fucken hypocrite.
on 26 Dec 2012 at 11:40 pm 192.Anonymous said …
People like this ass W make me sick.
W, are you really that stupid that you think that your game of using *different* definitions of faith buys you anything other than scorn and contempt?
The grown-up word is equivocation, but you seem to much of an idiot to understand it. If you understand it, then you are despicably dishonest.
Your religious "faith" is based on something that you believe despite, or instead of, evidence. You have "faith" that prayers are answered even though all the evidence shows that they are not. A good description of your faith would be delusional,
Conversely, Lou *knows* his car started last time he turned the key, the time before that, the time before that, the time before that… He has very little reason to expect it to be different. Not only that, but other people starting his car can *realistically expect* his car to start.
When you can demonstrate the same repeatability to starting a car to, say, praying for your god to heal amputees, then you can say that everyday events use faith in the same way as you want to pretend happens.
Until then. Fuck off. Please.
on 26 Dec 2012 at 11:57 pm 193.DPK said …
Would you…
As a olive branch to you, and possibly as a way to come to grips with your delusion, I will offer you my standard " bowling ball" offer that I make to all theists who tell me that I live my life with "faith", just as they do. No one has taken me up on it yet.
Here is what I will propose. I will carry a bowling ball up a 12 foot ladder. You will stand directly underneath me. I wiil trust in my "faith"…. And yes, I have faith, that when I release the ball over your head, the invisible and unexplained force of gravity will cause it to collide with your skull.
You, on the other hand, will be praying to god to stop the ball, or prevent it from hitting you, based on your faith that god loves you, and that he answers prayers and is looking out or what is best for you.
You see, there is a difference between reasonable faith and wishful thinking. If you don't think so, lets set up the demonstration and see how it goes, ok?
Looking forward to seeing a demonstration of just how strong your faith is…..
on 27 Dec 2012 at 4:14 am 194.Wouldubelieveit said …
What is man? Live to die take up space. Lie, cheat, steal? Why? Is that all your are for. One shot in the cosmos. Come on when you die game is not over it is just starting basic instruction before leaving earth.
on 27 Dec 2012 at 8:07 am 195.Severin said …
"How can you prove to me that you keys will crank your car. OH it takes FAITH?"
I always buy a car with a key that precisely fits the keyhole. Why should I have "faith" or "hope" that my key will work?
I KNOW it will work.
Do you, when cranking your car, try all the keys you have in the house, having faith one of them will work?
I would not be surprised!
You have just defined the formula of being a believer in god!
Your prayers "work" according to the same principle!
on 27 Dec 2012 at 8:17 am 196.Severin said …
"Then I hope I will see it (sun) in the Morning."
Unlike you, I KNOW it.
I learned enough in my life to KNOW that the sun can't just "dissapear" (or explode, or …?).
If somethng was wrong with the sun, scientist would have noticed it early enough to alarm people. I do NOT say people could DO something, but they would KNOW it.
No hope, no "faith" necessary to anticipate such things.
How old are you?
Well, it is not important! My brother's 6 years old grandson is reasoning much, much, much more logically than you do!
on 27 Dec 2012 at 8:26 am 197.Severin said …
"… and hope your battery is not dead then you turn it on and the car start, that is faith that is doing what you have faith ("believe") in."
What sort of an idiot are you?
I never HOPE my battery is not dead, because I kepp my cars well maintained, and I always KNOW it will work.
I don't need hope or faith, but I KNOW that I need a car service for my car.
on 27 Dec 2012 at 8:39 am 198.Severin said …
"Lie, cheat, steal? Why? Is that all your are for."
Absolutely not!
I never think about "what am I for", but being alive in this world, and being a part of universe, makes me happy anyway.
I do NOT lie, cheat, steal, kill, rape, …, ever.
I am a joyful, yet responsible, hard working, also compassionate, human being.
In my 70, expecting the end relatively soon, I am smiling, because I had a wonderful life (without lying, cheating, stealing, raping, killing), and I did my best for my family, for myself and for many other people. I did my best also for my planet, for example by saving energy, saving water, avoiding pollution, …
Yet, I don't believe in gods.
on 27 Dec 2012 at 12:07 pm 199.Lou(DFW) said …
194.Wouldubelieveit said …
"Come on when you die game is not over it is just starting basic instruction before leaving earth."
Other than a fantasy that exists inside your empty head, what evidence do you have for another life after this one?
To what "basic instructions" do you refer?
Other than by rocket, how does one leave Earth?
on 29 Mar 2013 at 7:38 pm 200.Todd said …
I saw a video by John Piper about why God allows the devil to mess things up. Why God allows evil. He said God will get more glory from taking the devil out after allowing him to kill and destroy; then he would if he took the devil out in the beginning. So allowing the evil and taking it out later brings God more glory than taking evil out from the beginning. I call that insane. So i guess we should not prevent evil from happening because preventing it we may be preventing God from getting glory. I think John Piper believes and teaches everything good and bad that happens brings glory to God.