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World War I was far more brutal than World War II
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Nevertheless, the numbers demonstrate that WW2 was by any measure of scale or human suffering the more brutal event. I'll accept that challenge. I'll be interested to see how Pro's line of reasoning might contradict the numbers.
These are the points I'm going to make about World War I.
1. History-How it started
2. What type of fighting tools they used.
3. New machinery came out that made it an unfair play. (Cost many lives)
So my first point;
World War I started over a little issue. When the "Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria was assassinated by a Serbian nationalist in Sarajevo, Bosnia." [1] This started the war that was never forgotten and that has changed the way we live and fight for centuries. This action led to threatening of other countries, latter it was announced that there is going to be World War I.
My second point;
Now, World War I had very few things they had to fight with. They had very little to protect themselves, unlike World War II. So I'm going to list the things they used for fighting and what they used to defend themselves.
1. This magnificent gas created during this war. It was called mustard gas. This was a very poisonous gas that killed everybody in trenches, It took 12 hours to take effect, but after it did it was sometimes a slow painful death. (Latter was outlawed by Syria) You suffocate. Many died from this weapon used by the Germans.
2. They used a bolt action rifle that can hold 15 rounds. (made in Britain)
3. Machine guns, they had to have 4-6 people operating them in the trenches. (Fire power 100 guns)
4. Zeppelin, these were used as aircraft carriers, (carried bombs) they soon were abandoned because they were easy to shoot out of the sky.
5. Planes, were first introduced as spy planes and carriers, but soon were made as fighter planes.
6. Torpedoes, were used by German subs to sink ships.
This was many of the things they used. Unlike World War II, which had many more advanced weapons and better protection from the attacks. Now, lets look at what the people used to defend themselves.
1. In World War I the only thing they had to defend themselves were trenches, they had to dig all day to stay safe and away from the enemy line. Since the trenches were in the ground, whenever the machines fired at the trenches it blew out everybody in that hit area out of the trenches, and killed every single person in there. World War II had better protection and fighting styles.
My third point;
New machinery that was introduce in World War I that changed the way of fighting.
The tanks were introduced in World War I. Now I will say right now, these tanks are not like the tanks we have now, they were able to be blown up by machine guns. So in other words they were not built as well. This changed the whole rules of the game. Now there was a disadvantage. A machine against people who had no protection, they might as well have come out of the trenches with a sign on them saying "Shoot me I'm an open target". The tanks were a nightmare to the soldiers, millions were killed in World War I.
These are my points in this round.
[1] http://www.history.com...
This [1], means that in the beginning I used out of text from that website.
Let's begin by defining brutal. Miriam-Webster offers the following:
1 : archaic : typical of beasts : animal
a : grossly ruthless or unfeeling
b : cruel, cold-blooded
c : harsh, severe
d : unpleasantly accurate and incisive
e : very bad or unpleasant[1]
First Point-
thanks for the background
Second Point -
We agree that combatants in WW1 had less in the way of effective armor and fortress defenses.
Mustard Gas- Tear Gas came first. Followed by Chlorine, 85% of gas deaths were caused by phosgene gas. Mustard gas came about in 1917. In all, about 100,000 deaths were attributed gas (a little less than 1% of total deaths). [3]
You forgot to mention artillery on your list, which was devastating. Most devastating of all, however, was barbed wire. WW1 was the first war in which barbed wire was put into effect. It broke up forces concentrated for effect in the face of machine guns, which was critical in turning the war into a defensive struggle.
I think we can agree that WW1, coming after a long period of peace and technological innovation, introduced many unpredictable variables into the war for which the generals were unprepared and by which the troops were terrorized.
Definitely brutal, just not as brutal as the Second World War.
So as I forgot to add, (Which I added in the comments), this is from a soldiers view of the war. My opponent had a good argument indeed. But still haven"t convinced me that WWII is more brutal.
Just because of the death rates does not make it more brutal. We got to see this at a smaller picture. Pay attention to smaller detail. People mostly miss the littlest details in the picture, and those little details make the picture what it is, so what I"m getting at is that WWI is the little details in the big picture of World Wars.
WWI Was known as the Great War.
Shaping of the 21st Century;
a.WWI brought terrorism to other countries. Indeed there were terror attacks before WWI, but WWI established it to go further.
b.WWI made America a great world power.
c.The road to WWII started from WWI, because Hitler gathered all the blamed Germans and made them turn against the Jews and other races.
d.Even though WWI being resolved, there were issues leading to WWII.
e.WWI got the theme as the Brutal War
So back to having WWI being the most brutal. Since this is my last argument post, I shall do my best to convince the readers to lean on my side.
They had permanent ones and not permanent one, anyways from both they were horrible to be in.
The majority of graves in WWI were not buried as well as WWII, So you would still see body parts sticking out of the ground.
The shelling was unbearable for the soldiers, with every shot many bodies were exploded and body parts flew everywhere. It was a bloody mass.
They didn't have such great hospitals back then in WWI. You got shot they cut that body part off so you may survive. Their medication was also not that good, making the survivor levels drop. Soldiers were in the hospitals with burned faces from the gas and the flame throwers. Everything was devastating.
WWII they did not use flame throwers, or mustard gas, because it was outlawed. Which, these weapons that were cut out of the WWII had made it a lot less brutal for soldiers.
I give all my honor to those who survived and died bravely for our country in WWI.
This concludes my debate. Please vote fairly. Thank you for taking the time to read and vote on this debate.
Some pictures of WWI;
http://t2.gstatic.com... (Conditions in Trenches)
http://t3.gstatic.com... (Hospitals)
http://t3.gstatic.com... (Mustard gas effect)
a). If Pro wishes to disqualify specific source material, particularly the single largest and most popularly referenced resource in the world, Pro needs to establish that rule as part of the challenge.
b). Wikipedia's reliability as a general reference resource is well established. The most cited study was published in Nature in 2005.
"In 2005, the peer-reviewed journal Nature asked scientists to compare Wikipedia's scientific articles to those in Encyclopaedia Britannica—"the most scholarly of encyclopedias," according to its own Wiki page. The comparison resulted in a tie; both references contained four serious errors among the 42 articles analyzed by experts.
And last year, a study published in the Journal of Clinical Oncology found that Wikipedia had the same level of accuracy and depth in its articles about 10 types of cancer as the Physician Data Query, a professionally edited database maintained by the National Cancer Institute.
The self-described "free encyclopedia that anyone can edit" has fared similarly well in most other studies comparing its accuracy to conventional encyclopedias, including studies by The Guardian, PC Pro, Library Journal, the Canadian Library Association, and several peer-reviewed academic studies."
Although Wikipedia may not always rank as highly as the most reliable encyclopedia, Britannica, it offers multiple advantages in terms of timeliness, number of articles (nine times as many articles as Britannica), and democratic processes.
Although there are legitimate concerns about inaccuracies, vandalism, etc., there are few online resources that are not similarly vulnerable. The advantage of Wikipedia is that it is restlessly monitored by 72,000 administrators and editors (I'm one of them). Wikipedia offers the distinct advantage of reflecting common consensus on controversial points, rather than relying on the always biases of a few.
So, for example, Pro relied on the expertise of a single author, Heather Wheeler, to supply a list of WW1 weaponry. Since Heather identified the use of zeppelins in WW1, Pro also provided this information even though Pro herself recognizes that airships were fairly ineffective as a weapon of war. Since Heather neglected to mention the important roles of artillery and barbed wire in WW1, Pro made the same omission. Wikipedia, on the other hand, notes the limitations of Zeppelins in warfare and remembers to discuss barbed wire and artillery. Wikipedia, as a competitive marketplace of expertise, sometimes proves superior to the unchallenged expertise of a few or a single author.
Although no single source is guaranteed reliable, Con would match the reliability of Wikipedia against the majority of online sources which are more likely to be unedited and unchallenged.
RE: SOLDIERS POINT of VIEW
Another rule Pro neglected to document up front. Since the astonishing number of civilians killed in the Second World War may be that conflict's most distinguishing characteristic, Con considers this new rule a significant and counter-historical handicap. Nevertheless, even only considering the experience of soldiers, the Second World War remains more brutal.
On the contrary, death rates are probably the single most referenced statistic when assessing the magnitude of any conflict. So Pro does not find casualty rates convincing, how does she respond to the remainder of Con's arguments?
RE: the LITTLEST DETAILS
Comparing the relative brutality of world wars is a big picture analysis. The details are less helpful here. Can you find specific soldiers' stories in the First World War that are more brutal than soldiers' stories in the Second? Sure, but focusing on anecdote would distort history. Making sweeping generalizations based on little details inevitably leads to inaccuracy. We're talking about trends and statistics here, bug picture stuff.
RE: the GREAT WAR
In Britain, the Napoleanic Wars were called the Great War until 1915, when it became clear that the magnitude of the current conflict would eclipse Waterloo. Similarly, after the fall of Paris in 1940, usage of the term Great War fell out of use to prevent confusion with a war of lesser magnitude. After 1940, Britains referred to the earlier event as the First World War. In America, the earlier event was typically referred to as the European War until 1940, after which World War 1 was more commonly used.
There were plenty of features of WW1 that might be perceived as acts of terrorism. Assassination, for example, or blowing up trains. The line between terrorism and warfare is fuzzy at best. In order for this argument to support the notion that WW1 was the more brutal, there would have to be some indication that terrorism was present by some measure in excess of terrorism in WW2. Con can find no general trend in terrorism during the WW1 that was not matched or exceeded by WW2.
RE:US as WORLD POWER
The rise of the US as a great power was not so much an event as it was a trend. The supremacy of the US economy was undeniable by 1890. Europeans tend to date the emergence of the US as a great military power from the Battle of Manilla Bay in 1898 when Dewey's small fleet destroyed the much larger Pacific Spanish Fleet in 90 minutes. Certainly, by the advent of WW1, the Triple Alliance considered America a sufficient threat that they were willing to make important concessions after Lusitania to prevent America's entry into the war.
No doubt the resolution of WW1 was a principle cause of WW2. Precedence, however, does not make the earlier war more brutal.
RE:WW1 the "BRUTAL" WAR
I can't find evidence of this moniker, but if WW1 was called the Brutal War, the name was justly deserved. That label doesn't make it more brutal than WW2.
By WW2 trenches had evolved into more shallow and less permanent foxholes. Considering that a soldier might be trapped under fire for days or weeks in either, which was better equipped to serve as dining room and toilet- shallow foxhole or deep trench? Foxholes were at least as bad as trenches.
Con can't find any documentation to support Pro's assertion.
Yes, and in no way exceeded WW2 bombardment by artillery and plane in quantity of tonnage or quality of destruction. In terms of tonnage of high explosive, WW2 dropped 180 times more explosives than WW1 in terms of tonnage of high explosive.
Medicine advanced some, but not tremendously between the wars. The main difference is that because WW1 was relatively static, and because of the more civilized nature of WW1 minimized assaults on medical facilities, hospitals were often available. In WW2, hospitals were targets. In the early days of the Invasion of Poland, Hospital rooftops were painted with crosses to deter bombings until it became clear that the Wehrmacht were targeting hospitals. Russia estimated it lost 40,000 hospitals to the German Invasion. Dresden, Cologne, and many German cities lost most of their major hospitals to strategic bombing. Shima Hospital in Hiroshima was the hypocenter for the atomic bomb there.
Flamethrowers were not banned in WW2. All major combatants used manpowered flamethrowers. Some used flamethrowers mounted on tanks.
By WW2, cyanide gas and carbon monoxide were the popular chemical weapons, used mostly in the Holocaust. The number of gas victims in WW2 were 20-30 times the number in WW1.
Please note that Pro made no reply to the majority of my arguments, including:
More brutal because WW2 was a war for survival.
More brutal because of the dehumanization of the enemy.
More brutal because prisoners were made to labor in the murder of their own.
More brutal because the WW2 was fought are greater distance, sometimes never seeing the enemy.
just u put reference here they also put reference there.
so its gonna be double reference.
like u are posting material from Wikipedia than the Wikipedia is position from other sources.
yet there are many points there where they say citation needed which means that part could be wrong.
but majority of part is with reference some time to book some time to video some time to other website.
but of u put some link from other websites those articles are also written by some peoples i found them also wrong many times.
or contradictory.
on internet info could be wrong or right.
u have to check.
its double check.
peoples thre also put references.
if u dont believe click the reference and see is that right or not.
where there is blunder than its written that citation needed.
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It has been called racist since a prosecutor can seek a death sentence against an African-American for a capital crime but not a white person for the same offense.
But they killed in the name of religion.
No. The Catechism is part of the Church's ordinary teaching authority. Pope John Paul II placed his apostolic authority behind it. Its doctrinal authority is proper to the papal Magisterium. In John Paul II termed the Catechism a "sure norm for teaching the faith" and "a sure and authentic reference text."
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There are no errors in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. The USCCB, in answering a question about whether the teaching of the Catechism can be disregarded:
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Many opponents present, as fact, that the cost of the death penalty is so expensive (at least $2 million per case?), that we must choose life without parole ("LWOP") at a cost of $1 million for 50 years.
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That idea has been preserved in the official teaching of the Church by the Holy Spirit. Don't fight it. Nobody wins a fight against the Holy Spirit.
All had been strangled with his waistcloth.
Prof. Fastiggi recites a series of (possibly) contradictory opinions of popes and saints and theologians, and then claims that such (possible) contradictions prove that the Church has NOT been definitive for the 2000 years before the dawn of 2013, and now, in the light of 2013, the death penalty IS DEFINITIVELY EVIL, or as PF stated "contrary to the Gospel."
Appropriately enough, he was hanged until he strangled.
That is what Catholic theologians loyal to the Magisterium should be imploring the Holy Father to do. Loyalty to the pope is not a matter of "spin doctoring" or damage control. It is a matter of humbly and respectfully assisting him in fulfilling the end for which the papal office exists – the preservation, whole and undefiled, of the deposit of faith.


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Dawn Rickabaugh
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though some know me best as the "Note Queen" (I guess it's sort of a self-proclaimed monarchy ;-) Through our small, family-operated investment company, I've been building a portfolio of seller-financed notes since 2009. I've helped many people get started investing in notes along the way. I frequently consult in real estate transactions that involve owner financing, and buy & sell real estate in Nevada (Carson City, Reno-Tahoe area).
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Saprina Allen
Main Street Asset Solutions
Saprina Allen
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Currently, she presides at Main Street Asset Solutions directing the purchase, servicing and sale of real esate notes of all stripes. Noted and praised for her work on bringing humanity and compassion while working with delinquent loans, her motto has ever been: "every home has a hertbeat." This has served her well as she is perhaps the nation's leading bad mortgage restructuring negotiator and note servicing advisor.
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Walter Wofford
Tax Free Commerce
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, is a long time real estate investor from the Jackson, MS area whose focus is creating Tax Free Commerce through Affordable Housing Discounted Note Creation combining Seller Financing, Title Holding trusts for Notes & Property, and Self Directed Retirement Investing. We help tenants become homeowners with short loan payoff and payments less than rent . . . all using on private IRA funding. http://www.improvingjackson.com. He also coaches and encourages other investors to do the same. http://www.TaxFreeCommerce.com
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Cheri Hill
Sage International, Inc.
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, "Wealth Protection Diva" & CEO of Sage International, Inc., is a leading provider of financial education, business development and wealth protection strategies. For over two decades, Cheri has taught thousands of business owners, investors, professionals and entrepreneurs how to properly structure their business and personal assets to safely grow, protect and leverage their hard-earned wealth from the Three Flaming Arrows of Challenge: Income Taxes, Liability Exposure, Estate Taxes & Probate.
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Amerinote Xchange
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Quest IRA, Inc.
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Real Estate Entrepreneur
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He is now trying to figure out how to hot-rod one residential rental so it generates enough income to replace a middle-class job.
Al is a proud family man who now spends his day managing and expanding his corporate housing business in Sacramento, California.
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The Nets signed Allen Crabbe a couple years ago to a 4 year deal for 5 million less than what Lavine just signed for. If this Bulls roster isn't good in 2-3 years his contract is essentially coming off the books and you can move on. I much rather pay Lavine for what he is than risk him breaking out with the Kings. The Bulls can't afford to lose talent for nothing when they're still in the rebuilding phase of the process.
For the love of god melo, when you're a free agent sign with the warriors. The melt would be epic
With zach back all the eggs are in the davis basket now. Get him in 2020 and hopefully have assets to get an unhappy superstar
Hopefully we shouldn't need two max players anyway. If just one of our guys becomes that"guy" and the rest are damn good, we're damn good, especially if we add a Anthony Davis. Houston is contending with one superstar, one star and some good role players. Spurs competed with one superstar for years. Hell, Lebron was the only "superstar" on his team and Boston doesn't have a single "superstar" and is the favorite to come out the East.
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I'm hoping they could be that number two, or two and three, we'd be signing OR trading for that number 1.
Im not really a fan of LaVines game but I cant say Im surprised they matched. I have 0 faith in the FO, coach, or direction of where the franchise is going so its whatever. Theyll probably contend for an 8th seed in a bad conference and just be stuck in NBA hell for the foreseeable future.
If you can get an eighth seed with a team where everyone's under 25, think you're doing damn good. Being a low playoff seed isn't bad if you have an entire roster of young developing players. You'll rarely jump from 30 wins to 55 wins in one season. If you continually miss the playoffs, you're doing a bad job drafting, lol
Its boston and everybody else in the east right now. Philly is overrated, Toronto is a joke, Indy could easily take a step back. Of course the main goal is to win a chip, but you have to work towards that and I believe this team is doing that.
I don't understand the logic of letting him walk at that number. Maybe if we were a West Coast team with a better FO then sure but come on, cannot let talent like this walk out the door for nothing.
So glad they matched.
Think it's more people overestimating what 20 mill buys in todays NBA. Superstars are getting 30 mill and up, good starters are getting 20 mill. CP3 just got 40 mill a year and it will keep increasing. Trying to think of another team whose highest paid player makes less than 19.5, I'm coming up with Philly and Phoenix, two teams that have been tanking forever. We still have some of the best books in the league, and will be even better next year when Rolo and Asik are off. Let's just be happy we got him back for less than max, cause people were talking potential max a couple of months ago.
I'm happy we have matched.
And it sounds like we have a injury protection on the contract.
Obviously he needs to improve, mostly is defense, but he is already a good player with potential to be better.
Like infinity said, a couple of months ago we were discussing if we should give him the max.
+ he makes the team better (or I hope) and no FA will want to come here if this team isn't better than last year
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Fireplace (wood supply on request, payable extra)
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- Detached accommodation
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- Shelter for bikes/mountain bikes
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- Pets supplement
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- Release Date:05-30-17
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- After 27 years as a newspaper man, Peter Anderson's career is slipping away, at least it was, until he stumbled upon the story of a lifetime. Sent to do a fluff piece about lights in the night sky over Arizona, he discovers far more than he ever expected when he comes across a mysterious young woman held prisoner in a basement. After helping her to escape, she disappears before he can learn the truth about who she is or where she came from. His search for her leads him back to the lights in the sky and leaves him with more questions than answers. The only thing he knows for certain...the only thing he can count on are the two words offered repeatedly by his friend and guide: "is belt."
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