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Chatlog thread
31-07-2012, 11:44 AM (This post was last modified: 02-08-2012 03:56 AM by Vosur.)
Chatlog thread
Hey there, folks!
This thread is meant for those of you who want to share funny/weird/interesting chatlogs with the community, whether they come from Omegle, Facebook, Emails or other sources.
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kim (31-07-2012)
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Cool. I actually found these quite interesting. I'm glad it's you and not me!!
Although, I can see it possibly inspiring some future endeavor ... if I'm drunk enough.
A new type of thinking is essential if mankind is to survive and move to higher levels. ~ Albert Einstein
01-08-2012, 02:54 AM (This post was last modified: 01-08-2012 08:26 AM by Vosur.)
RE: Chatlog thread
Another conversation about witchcraft.
You're now chatting with a random stranger. Say hi!
You and the stranger both like Religion.
You: Hello
Stranger: hi
You: What religion do you belong to?
Stranger: I don't prescribe to any organized faith.
Stranger: you?
You: Same here. Care to elaborate? What do you believe in?
Stranger: I'm pagan, not much to it. How bout you, any details?
You: Haha, well, I'm non-religious. I don't know too much about paganism, do you mind explaining ot to me?
Stranger: Well paganism is an umbrella term that encompasses many religions and non-religious paths. It doesn't really have a set of doctrines since it's a large term.
You: What do you believe in in particular?
You: i.e. what part of paganism
Stranger: I am a European polytheist. Sometimes I call myself heathen. Less important than what I believe is what I practice. Orthopraxy vs orthodoxy.
You: I can already see that I know not even closely enough about religions other than the five world religions. I blame the school system.
You: How do you practice your religion?
Stranger: 'the' five world religions? There are a lot more than that. I recognize a few major holidays throughout the year that relate to seasons and such, as well as trying to maintain an attitude of honesty, self-reliance, and hospitality, which means standing up for a lot of things that others do not. I practice folk magic as well, which is loosely tied with my religion but is also somewhat separate. I am currently a bit more focused on witchcraft than religion.
You: For whatever reason, the five 'world religions' are Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism and Hinduism
You: I suppose they are called that way because of their distribution
Stranger: They are the 'largest' religions, by number of practitioners. Perhaps call them 'the five biggest' or something, otherwise you erase hundreds of other religions
You: Oh well, I didn't choose to call them that way
You: You mentioned witchcraft, how exactly does that work?
Stranger: That is an extremely open question. Mind being a bit more specific?
You: I guess so. I don't know anything about witchraft. Like, what is it about?
You: As for the "largest" religions, it's interesting that this isn't true. Judaism only has 14 million followers worldwide.
Stranger: Well I cannot speak for all practitioners, as all witchcraft is different. My personal practice is a way of affecting the world in ways that I find most appealing. It also connects me to older, historical practices, as I focus on folk magic and things, so it's important to me to keep those older things alive. I also use herbalism often, which is very practical and medicinally based.
so what are the five numerically largest religions? it's probably just because the western world loves to think itself first in all things, thus citing the religions closest to christianity in lineage.
You: Christianity: ~2.1 billion
Islam: ~1.5 billion
Hinduism: ~900 million
Buddhism: ~400 million
Chinese national religions: ~400 million
Stranger: ah, of course Chinese national religion doesn't count because it doesn't have as strict a doctrine or as organized a priesthood.
Stranger: it is kind of hodgepodge in some parts
You: Judaism is #9 on the list
Stranger: yup, ethnocentrism.
You: Anyway, back to the topic at hand. What effects does this "folk magic" you pratice have? Or rather: what can you use it for?
Stranger: Anything and everything, really. The effects vary with what types of implements or practices you employ. Folk magic, again, is extremely varied and not very organized, so it's hard to explain
You: Anything that one would categorize as "supernatural"?
Stranger: I don't personally believe in the 'supernatural'. If something is not natural for our planet, it would not occur. I think all things are natural, though they might occur in energy or physics that is not observable by our current tools.
You: That depends on what you're actually doing. Magic tricks seem supernatural at first, but upon further investigations you may find out the trick behind it. Can you name me, like five things, that one can do with folk magic?
Stranger: Ok let's backtrack here. You're still using the term 'supernatural' after I just clarified that nothing I do IS supernatural. There's no 'trick' to it, unless I'm working for a client, in which the placebo effect is actually pretty powerful magic itself. Like I said, any goal you have can be affect by folk magic. Most common things I've seen are protection, banishing of negative things, attracting love/partners, causing garden/crops to grow, and making money.
You: That's what I mean. Most of the things you named would be called supernatural because it is impossible to reach that effect based on our current knowledge.
You: On an unrelated note: What do you mean by "making money"?
Stranger: Impossible is a silly word, really. And I already clarified that our 'science' is incapable of measuring a lot of things that we know to exist, not just the effects of witchcraft. Making money involves increasing profits from a job, getting a job, or even winning prizes/finding random cash.
You: Well, as I've said, impossible based on our current knowledge. It would've thought to be impossible to fly to the moon a few hundred or thousand years ago. As we gain more knowledge, the number of things that we cannot do declines. In order to prove that these effects actually have anything to do with the magic that is practiced, one would have to make, for example, a study about it. What you mentioned could just as well be a coincidence.
Stranger: Of course, a coincidence that millions upon millions of people put faith in and employ the use of, for tens of thousands of years, crossing barriers of race, creed, or culture. Witchcraft is one of the oldest human practices. I doubt that thousands of years of practices and symbols is just a coincidence.
You: That's an argument from tradition, is it not? "It's old therefore it is valid.". Prayer was thought to have an effect for thousands of years as well, but since it has been tested over and over and over again, we've concluded that there is no causal relationship betweening praying and something actually happening
Stranger: It's an argument that, over the course of human history, throughout many varied cultures, people seem to have come to similar conclusions about witchcraft. Witchcraft itself is a form of experimentation. If it didn't work, then why has it continued to this day? And if our scientific tools can't measure everything, something you admitted, then why would experiments using those tools hold any weight?
You: Prayer doesn't work either, yet it has continued to this day.
There is quite a big difference between being unable to, for example, measure dark matter, and being able to find a correlation between practicing witchcraft and things happening. If magic is supposed to have an effect on our world whenever you practice it, then it should be easy to verify it. Such as: practicing one particular spell one hundred times and counting the number of times it had an effect.
Stranger: But often spells have effects that are very different from what is expected. Often the effects are delayed for months or years. If you did the same spell a hundred times, you might get 100 different results because spells are more than ingredients, and there are a lot of variables that go into them, time of day, position of certain bodies, emotional state of the practitioner, etc, that would vary each time they are done.
You: That's exactly what I'm talking about. Prayer is claimed to work the same way. You pray for getting a better job and even if it happens years or months later, it was prayer that caused it.
Stranger: Is there a point you're trying to prove? because even if you don't think my personal practices are 'real' or effective, I'm not going to stop doing what I want because of some random dude on the internet.
You: I'm not trying to get rid of your faith and I don't want you to stop whatever your doing either. I'm pointing out that it's flawed to claim that is has any effect when on further investigation, it becomes more and more abstract.
Stranger: Would you like to give me citations and sources for these so-called studies that have disproved witchcraft? Because witchcraft is not the same as prayer. I would like links, or at least names of books and authors. I'm not claiming to do anything that is measurable by science, and therefore I'm not making any flawed claims.
You: I don't know if there have been any studies made on witchcraft. But from what you've told me there are quite a few parallels to prayer, which there are numerous studies on that I can provide you with.
Stranger: There is a big difference between petitioning a deity to do something for you and creating change yourself through sympathetic actions and charged materials. If you want to give me sources on witchcraft, feel free, but do stop the comparison to religious activity, as witchcraft is not religious inherently and is very different from prayer.
You: The way you practice it may differ, but the core is still the same thing. You perform a ritual of some sort, no matter how, and even if the change does not occur immediatly, but days, months or even years later, it is ascribed to what you did at that point.
Stranger: How are you qualified to tell me about witchcraft, especially my own practices? How long have you been studying anthropology and folk magic? What sources are you using?
You: Why would I need to study folk magic to point out logical inconsistencies with your description of it?
Stranger: Because you're saying that 'it's all the same at the core' which is false. If you're going to make such a general statement, you need to back it up with experience or with actual sources. You're just lumping different practices together because YOU consider them to be similar, and because you do not fully understand them.
You: I'm saying that your particular form of practicing folk magic and religious prayer have the same core. How could I make this statement about all kinds of folk magic without knowing them? I'm referring to the description you gave me about the way you practice it. Also, what makes you think that the core is different?
Stranger: brb
You: Alright
Stranger: I didn't give you a description of any of my practices, actually. You asked a vague question about folk magic, and I gave you a vague answer about folk magic in general, not my practices. Please, if you would like to compare what you think is 'folk magic' to prayer, give me specific citations within this conversation on how it is similar to prayer, in action, NOT in result. Just because the effects of both are not easily measurable and their time of effectiveness varies, does not mean they are similar in action, it just means that they both defy current science, which could be said about a lot of things, like gravity.
You: This right here:
"But often spells have effects that are very different from what is expected. Often the effects are delayed for months or years. If you did the same spell a hundred times, you might get 100 different results because spells are more than ingredients, and there are a lot of variables that go into them, time of day, position of certain bodies, emotional state of the practitioner, etc, that would vary each time they are done."
I didn't say that they are similar in action, I said that the result is the same.
Why does gravitation defy current science?
Stranger: So just because they are both equally immeasurable in result they are 'the same at the core'? that makes no bloody sense. You really don't have much of an argument here, as I suspect you have not actually studied witchcraft of any kind and do not understand how it operates.
Science actually does not know why gravity exists, or how its actions take place, though they can see its results. Not exactly the same, but just a common example of things we don't have a lot of evidence for, that still work.
You: The point of practicing witchcraft is not the ritual itself, but the effect of it, is it not? What would be the point of performing a ritual that allows you to earn more money if you thought it didn't do anything? Why would you pray to get a new house if you think that it's not going to do anything?
The question of "why" something exists leads to an infinite regress. It's like explaining something to a child that will you ask you "Why is that?" ad infinitum.
Stranger: The fact that something is practiced for results does not mean that the operations of its results (in comparison to the operation of the results of prayer) gives reason to compare it to other similarly operating functions. Though it may achieve similar results to many things (job spells can achieve results similar to taking a 'better resume' seminar), it's action is unique. It is NOT the same thing as prayer, and they are NOT 'the same at the core'
You: You're repeating yourself. I told you that the practice of it is different. The core, as I see it, is to achieve some kind of result from doing so. Both of them share this trait, which is why they are the same at the core. It would be easier if you'd point out what you think the core of both practices is.
Stranger: The "core" of a practice? First of all, what does that even mean? The operating principle of prayer is that a deity or being will take favor upon a petitioner and grant them what they are asking for. The operating principle of witchcraft fucking varies depending on what type of witchcraft you're practicing. I am only repeating myself because you are doing the same thing, insisting upon categorizing things that you obviously don't understand. It's not possible to give you a 'witchcraft 101' because there are so many different types and operating principles. If you want a good starting point, try James Frazer's The Golden Bough
You: Once more: You gave me your description of witchraft and that is the type of witchraft that I'm criticizing. You seem to insist on telling me that I claim to know anything about other forms of witchcraft. The description of how witchraft works that you provided me with has the same core that prayer does.
Stranger: What description of witchcraft did I really give you? What operating principles did I outline? I simply told you some goals that witchcraft helps to achieve. Please point out where I gave you an operating principle of witchcraft. Fuck it, I'll give you an example. One type of magic works upon the principle that working physical change upon an object that contains some sort of fluids or dna of a specific person can work to affect that person through sympathetic magic. This is very, very different from petitioning a deity through prayer.
You: Your describing me the form of practice again. Clapping your hands together and talking to an imaginary being (one form of prayer) is obviously not the same as performing witchcraft rituals that involve materials. Making any kind of change to someone's fluids or DNA does not have any verifiable effect. You can also pray to your form of god to change affect the person, yet it's not going to influence the person. The way you try to achieve a certain effect may differ, but the core, achieving the result, is most definetly the same.
Stranger: "The core" is not a very helpful, objective, or practical term. It means literally nothing. "the core" of a practice varies from person to person. You are not advancing your argument at all. I described to you the operating principles of both actions, and just because they might sometimes try to achieve similar results, you call them the same? Are giving your boss sexual favors and studying well in high school the "same at the core" just because they both happen to advance your career prospects? What kind of logic are you smoking over there?
You: Is "the reason why you do it" more helpful to you than calling it "the core"?
You: You're using a strawman argument once more. I'm saying the core is the same, not that they are completely the same.
You: The reason why you practice witchcraft is the same why people pray to their god.
Stranger: there is no objective thing called 'the core' of any practice. "the reason you do it" is not the 'core' of witchcraft for many people.
And you have no right or information to tell ME why I practice witchcraft. You have no clue as to my motivations. Again, just because they sometimes happen to be aimed at the same goals does not mean they are inherently similar. You bore me with your pithy atheist fails.
You: Where did I say that the core of a practice is objective? In fact, I asked you to give me your definition, which indicates that it's a subjective term.
Feel free to enlighten me. You already revealed to me that you think it has has an effect on something. For what reason do you claim to practice witchcraft, if not to make a change of some sort?
Stranger: I don't "claim" to do anything. I DO IT. and I don't think it's possible to "enlighten" you.
You: You do it because you do it?
You: To give you an example "I eat because I'm hungry." or "I wash myself because I'm dirty". Can you do the same with the reason why you practice witchcraft?
Stranger: That is not what I said. You say that I 'claim' to practice witchcraft. I am telling you that I DO. My reasons are my own, and this conversation is over. Feel free to wallow in your own self-righteous opinion of yourself, and go bother someone else with your mental masturbation.
Your conversational partner has disconnected.
Edit: Met her a second time.
You're now chatting with a random stranger. Say hi!
You and the stranger both like religion.
You: Hello
Stranger: hi
You: What religion do you belong to?
Stranger: i don't really belong to any organized religion
Stranger: you?
You: Me neither
Stranger: so you here to proselytize
Stranger: ?
You: Nope
You: I'm interested in debates about religion
Stranger: indeed? what's there to debate?
You: Well, I usually start off asking the person I'm talking to what exactly they believe in
Stranger: ha. why don't you tell me what you believe in?
You: I don't believe in anything.
Stranger: then why do you want to debate with others?
You: To sharpen my debating skills. Being non-religious allows me to avoid most forms of bias
Stranger: lmfao. sure, sure, I believe that.
You: What do you mean?
Stranger: you're not biased against those with religion? you're not biased towards a certain worldview?
You: Why would I be? I evaluate the corresponding religion/world view based on the arguments presented to me. Furthermore, didn't I say that I can avoid -most- forms of bias? You're always going to have some kind of bias
Stranger: So what are the first challenges you would present to someone? And why debate something that is so personal to many people, don't you think it would end with some hurt feelings?
Stranger: Especially since you don't really have any stake in the argument, but they do.You: I always try to be as respectful as possible.
You: And I avoid using an ad hominem argument at all costs
You: As for the challenges to the people, let me give you an example
You: Person A is me, Person B is a Christian
A: Why do you believe in god?
B: Because it says so in the bible
A: How do you know the bible is true?
B: Because it's the word of god
A: How do you know it's the word of god?
B: Because the bible says soAt that point I will usually point out that what they're using is circular reasoning, such as "I'm right because this book I wrote says I'm right"
Stranger: so how do you deal with those who don't base their belief on text?
You: I have yet to meet one who doesn't.You: But in case I did, it depends on the arguments they use
Stranger: well i suppose I will be your first, then.
You: Interesting. Well then, what religion would describe your belief for the most part?
Stranger: Polytheist, western European.
Stranger: with a bit of animism thrown in
You: What are the main characteristics of that belief?
Stranger: Acknowledgement of the existence of gods, ancestral spirits, and spirits of the land, among other beings.
Stranger: Living according to certain virtues, of my own discretion.
Stranger: Studying and being respectful of the culture of my ancestors
You: Alright. Let's start off with the following question then: What evidence do you have for the existence of these gods?
Stranger: The reports and personal experience of thousands of people, as well as my own personal experiences.
You: I assume that you are familiar with logical fallacies? In case you aren't, the argument you just made is based on anecdotal evidence. Here's a good explanation: http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal
Stranger: What kind of evidence would be sufficient for you? And why do we need to prove that they exist in the first place? Is it not enough that I believe in them. I'm not insisting that all people do, nor am I claiming that my path is correct for everyone. And really, the gods are only a part of a much bigger worldview that I am attempting to create.
You: Evidence that can be refuted. Let me put it this way: Why would you believe in something if you do not have sufficient evidence for it?
Stranger: Because it gives me a cultural connection to my heritage that I would otherwise lack, and it allows me to interact with larger forces of nature in a way that is effective for me.
You: Is it impossible to have this cultural connection without believing in gods?
Stranger: Like I said, belief in the gods is only a fraction of this cultural context that I am attempting to create and work in. The gods are not center-stage for me. But knowing them and respecting their myths is a part of learning about my culture
You: I can see your point, but would you say that it is reasonable for a skeptical person to believe what you believe in?
i.e. Would you say that the evidence for your belief is compelling enough to convince a skeptical person that it is true?
Stranger: I don't need to. I'm not trying to convert anyone or to gain new believers. I don't think people should believe what I believe unless it is helpful to them.
You: Then there is sadly not much debate about, is there?
Stranger: I suppose. I mean, really theres
Stranger: not much reason for me to convince you of anything. if you don't believe it, then that's your deal. I'm not trying to convince anyone I'm right.
You: That's true. In that case I have two questions for you:
#1. What caused you to engage in this debate with me?
#2. Would you agree with my previous statement that I try my best to stay as respectful as I can?
Stranger: #1: curiosity and boredom, and to see if your claims where true
#2: I'm unsure. We didn't have much to disagree on. But it seems that you are operating in a worldview that isn't helpful to religious debate. You made assumptions about why I believed things and what my motivations were. But there was no direct disrespect. I'm not going to claim that you would always react in this way, though, as I do not have that experience.
You: #1. Well, are they?
#2. You are free to have this opinion, as it depends on the interpretation of what I said/asked.
Stranger: Again, unsure. I think there is a disconnect between our perspectives, so certain terms mean different things to each person
You: That is very likely. Either way, I appreciate that you didn't flee from the debate because we disagree, it tends to happen a lot on here.
Stranger: What you see as simple disagreement could very well be disrespect to the other person, you can
Stranger: *t know
You: There's no way I can avoid someone from thinking that way. Some people are more sensitive than others.
You: The notion of me not being Christian has made some people disconnect.
Stranger: Calling other people oversensitive is shaming of their emotions. You can avoid people being disrespected if you don't act in a disrespectful way.
You: As I've said, mentioning that I'm non-religious causes people to feel offended and disconnecting
You: Am I supposed to lie to them?
Stranger: Which is different than someone disconnecting after actually entering the 'debate'You: Not neccessarily.
Stranger: It's a giant indicator of male privilege to be able to say that SOMEONE ELSE is being "too sensitive" rather than you yourself being hurtful.
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I read about half of this story and I have to say, this guy is good. I like paganism, I always did. A also like herbalism. There are some things that are not supernatural there, pagans tend to "worship" days like solar solstice or equinox, that all makes sense. In a way, this paganism is much much more in touch with nature and human body and mind than any other religion.
As for his spells, yeah right, but why not? He uses spells, other people pray, some other meditate... It can all have the same effect on human mind and that does not necessary need to be a bad thing.
This is the first one that you talked to on Omegol that had more knowledge than you did. He kinda hold his line pretty well, much better than anyone else. I could even say that he bested you in an argument.
As long as it is not a Christian or a Muslim, all is good.
I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours.
-Hunter S. Thompson
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This is probably the shortest and most random conversation I have had on that website.
You're now chatting with a random stranger. Say hi!
You and the stranger both like Religion.
Stranger: Ahh...Religion
You: Hello there
Stranger: I have three minutes to live...what should I do?
You: Masturbate
Stranger: I just had sex, not necessary
Stranger: Two minutes
You: Same answer
You: You can both masturbate and have sex
Stranger: No, you can't... scientific impossibility
Stranger: One minute
You: How is it impossible? You stick your dick into the woman's vagina only so much that you can still masturbate
Stranger: Why a woman's vagina...How about a man's asshole?
You: Same thing, right?
Stranger: REALLY?
Stranger: REALLY?
Stranger: REALLY?
You: Don't get worked up, you don't have much longer to live
Stranger: Fuck, I'm dead
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I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours.
-Hunter S. Thompson
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(01-08-2012 04:07 AM)Filox Wrote: As for his spells, yeah right, but why not? He uses spells, other people pray, some other meditate... It can all have the same effect on human mind and that does not necessary need to be a bad thing.It may not be a bad thing, but it's definetly not working the way she describes it. Plus she (I assume that it was a female) is unable defend her point of view on a rational basis.
"Science isn't able to measure everything in the universe, therefore it is impossible to make a study about the actual effectiveness of witchcraft, therefore witchcraft works."
(01-08-2012 04:07 AM)Filox Wrote: This is the first one that you talked to on Omegol that had more knowledge than you did. He kinda hold his line pretty well, much better than anyone else. I could even say that he bested you in an argument.You should've read the whole thing. Admittedly, she knew more about witchcraft than I did, but it ultimately doesn't matter when my argument is that she is unable to affect the world she lives in on a supernatural level.
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(01-08-2012 02:54 AM)Vosur Wrote: ... working for a client... ... the reason why you do it...
The explanation, I think.
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Another random one.
You're now chatting with a random stranger. Say hi!
Omegle couldn't find anyone who shares interests with you, so this stranger is completely random. Try adding more interests!
Stranger: Hiiiiiiiiiiiii babyy
You: Hello
Stranger: SUCK MY LOLLIPOP NOW!
You: Gladly!
Stranger: Sorryyy,,,,,,I dont know what came over me..
You: Cum, probably
Stranger: MMMMMM All over the place.,
You: All the way across the sky
Stranger: Lol, ima girl.
You: I figured
Stranger: haha, are you a guy?
You: Yes
Stranger: YAY! How old??
You: 17
Stranger: i'm 14
You: Pedobear approves
Stranger: Hello pedo. Are you cute?
You: Yes. Do you want to suck a lollypop?
You: My lollypop, that is
Your conversational partner has disconnected.
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Filox (02-08-2012)
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Very lengthy conversation with a KC-like theist.
You're now chatting with a random stranger. Say hi!
You and the stranger both like Religion.
You: Hello
Stranger: Hello
You: Are you religious?
Stranger: Are you over 20?
Stranger: I keep talking with kids.
You: I'm 17
Stranger: I am religious.
Stranger: I'm putting off a paper for my MA in Theology right now.
You: What religion do you belong to?
Stranger: Christianity.
Stranger: Yourself?
You: None. Do you mind discussing about religion?
Stranger: Not at all.
Stranger: AMA.
You: AMA?
Stranger: Sorry, Redditspeak.
Stranger: Ask Me Anything.
You: Oh, I see.
Stranger: Where are you from?
Stranger: That's usually pertinent to religious discussion.
You: I'm from Germany
Stranger: I'm in Colorado, USA.
You: Let's start off with the following quesiton. Why do you believe in god?
Stranger: I believe that ethics have a real basis, that human beings have a real dignity and purpose.
Stranger: That's the theoretical reason, but its also supported by my own empirical experiences.
Stranger: These are obviously not verifiable, but that doesn't lead me to disregard them.
You: Experiences cannot be empirical, personal experiences are always anecdotal
Stranger: "Empirical" is by definition "based on, concerned with, or verifiable by observation or experience."
You: Indeed. Personal experiences cannot be verified. Empirical science has the important trait that it can be repeated.
Stranger: Right. I'm using the term "empirical" in reference simply to "experience" - not to truths established by scientific method.
Stranger: But that's neither here nor there.
Stranger: Suffice to say, I've had experiences in conjunction with my theoretical ideas which are the foundation of my faith.
You: If I understand you correctly you base your belief in a higher being upon personal experience?
Stranger: And because I believe that there is a true and not arbitrary "right and wrong." I believe that human life is not mere coincidence.
You: It isn't mere coincidence whether you believe in god or not. The theory of evolution explains how we came into being very well.
You: And even with a religious belief, there are no objective moral values
Stranger: Well, there may be no exhaustive knowledge of moral values, but they exist as something besides convention.
You: Moral values are subject to change
You: Our history shows this very well
Stranger: I don't disregard the theory of evolution in itself - rather I would take issue with the idea that life simply spontaneously arose from primordial sludge.
You: It appears to me that you misunderstand the theory of evolution
You: It's a process that took millions of years, nothing happened "spontaneously"
Stranger: Right, right.
Stranger: I'm not expressing myself well, I think.
Stranger: It's rather that life would arise without cause. That it would cohere to form complex organisms.
You: That sounds like "I don't want to believe that life evolved without a cause, therefore it was god"
Stranger: That's probably a fair mockery.
You: You have my apologies
Stranger: I think that without cause, human life has no real dignity.
Stranger: No significance in contrast to the rest of the material world.
You: That does not change if a god exists. You should read the Old Testament.
Stranger: There's no particular reason why we ought to value human life over any other matter.
Stranger: I've read it.
You: Then you should know that human life isn't worth anything either way
Stranger: You'll have to explain how that follows from the Old Testament.
You: God himself wipes out the entire human race except for Noah's family and continues by slaughtering the Egyptians to free the Israelites. Once they are free, he orderes them to wipe out their enemies, including infants and women.
Stranger: And this is evidence that he doesn't care about human life, right?
You: Psalm 137:9
Blessed shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rock!
Stranger: The voice of an abused Israelite crying out in anguish.
You: Right, right. What about ordering to kill those who work on the Sabbath (even strangers who are not part of their tribe) and homosexuals?
You: If you believe that god is the creator of the human race, then obviously he is responsible for the existence of gay people.
Stranger: You want to go through the entire Levitical law and have me explain and justify each part?
Stranger: I'll admit - it's beyond me.
You: If you can't make sense of it, then why do you still accept it?
Stranger: I don't follow the Levitical law?
You: But you follow the god who established it
Stranger: Right.
Stranger: It was a law meant for the Israelites in ancient times.
Stranger: There was a new covenant established in Christ.
You: Not really. When Jesus spoke to his followers he said that he doesn't intend to abolish the old laws.
You: Give me a second
Stranger: I've read the passage.
Stranger: You don't need to look it up.
Stranger: Right, but he was "fulfilling" the laws.
Stranger: In essence, bringing them into a new meaning.
You: Not really. He abolished the law of "Eye for an eye" by introducing a new law that completely refutes the old one, which is "Turn your other cheek" to the one's who hurt oyu
You: Also:
Malachi 3:5-6
"5 And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the Lord of hosts.
6 For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed."
Stranger: ?
Stranger: Why that passage?
You: "It was a law meant for the Israelites in ancient times."
Stranger: "I am the Lord, I change not"
You: Indeed
Stranger: This is not the same as saying no new covenant was introduced.
Stranger: Peter was told to eat all foods.
Stranger: Paul and the early church repeal requirements of circumcision and dietary laws for gentiles.
You: "And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers [...] For I am the Lord, I change not"
In the New Testament, God did change and is suddenly okay with adulterers
Stranger: How do you figure that?
Stranger: Jesus told the adulterous woman to repent and sin no more.
You: He didn't judge her, he defended her and said "He who is without sin casts the first stone"
You: That's definetly not the same as judging them
Stranger: Would you tell someone to repent if they had done nothing worthy of judgment?
Stranger: He didn't tell her she was condemned, but he told her to "sin no more."
Stranger: This is not the same as approving of adultery.
You: ...which is not the same as judging
You: Judgement would be "You're a sinner, you deserve to die"
Stranger: So any time someone commits adultery and God does not immediately judge them, he is being untrue?
Stranger: This isn't even the case in the Old Testament alone.
Stranger: The prophets are constantly asking God why they wait to see his judgment.
You: I didn't say that either. The point is that he judges adulterers and others in the OT and forgives them in the NT
Stranger: I don't think that's a fair conclusion.
You: That's like letting a murderer go and telling him "Murder no more" instead of punishing him
Stranger: You would have to see the particular sinner at the end of time to know that.
Stranger: That God did not judge them immediately is clear, but that he did not withhold judgement until a later time is unverifiable.
You: The punishment for adulterers was death in the OT, that's apparently not the case in the NT
You: The one's who wanted to stone her actually acted according to the old laws
Stranger: So Jesus is, in fact, moving towards a new covenant.
Stranger: And you think that this is in violation of God's unchanging nature?
You: Of course it is. He cannot say "I do not abolish the old law" and in the next breath establish completely new laws. Laws that cannot co-exist with the old ones.
Stranger: Isn't it possible God's work is contingent upon people?
Stranger: That the law, that God's mode of working in time is in some respect limited by the people he is working with?
You: Not at all. Why would being gay be okay with one group of people and the punishment for it being death for other people? That implies that homosexuality is a choice
You: That's like punishing someone for being born with blonde hair
Stranger: Crap - I've got to go.
Stranger: I'm also working on an After Effects project.
Stranger: Which is due in about 4 hours.
You: What a shame, it was just getting interesting
Stranger: Haha - I guess.
Stranger: You've got a lot of the typical atheist accusations I encounter down pat.
Stranger: I'll grant you that.
You: If you are interested in religious debates, I can refer you to a forum I am active on
You: We have a Christian on there who is on par with you
Stranger: I try to make candid answers.
Stranger: Eh, I'm not particularly interested.
Stranger: This kind of debate is centered around apologetics, reactionary reasoning and faith.
Stranger: I'm more interested in exploratory reasoning and faith - mystical experience.
You: Oh well, you can't have everything
You: I still enjoyed it though, you are a lot more mature than the usual theist on here
Stranger: For the record, I'm not really sure about the homosexuality debate.
Stranger: In the past, I've taken a position that homosexual nature is both genetic and volitional.
Stranger: That is, it is a tendency that is present in our genes, but a fulfillment made by will.
You: What's your current position then?
Stranger: Something like (and I realize this sounds bad, but I can't think of a better example) having a predisposition towards addiction.
Stranger: I wouldn't blame someone for having the disposition, but I still think substance addiction is crippling of potential, not right.
Stranger: Honestly - right now I think it's kind of a debate which is decided by biology.
You: You may not know this, but homosexuality occurs frequently in nature
Stranger: If it is in fact an unchangeable hardwired sexual orientation - how can anyone criticize it?
Stranger: If it is instead a genetic tendency and not totally determined, there's some room for choice.
Stranger: But like I said, this is for biologists, not myself.
You: Do you think that animals are capable of choosing their sexuality?
Stranger: I'm aware of homosexual tendencies in nature - I read Naked Lunch once.
Stranger: Animals do lots of things, the standards of "right or wrong" do not apply to unreflective creatures.
You: I wouldn't say that. Behaviour that is not beneficial to the survival of the species is "wrong" and vice versa
Stranger: So right and wrong is mere survival?
You: Yes
You: That's why animals do not kill members of their own species for the sake of killing
Stranger: Lots of animals eat their young.
You: It's always related to survival, i.e. praying matis, black widow, etc.
You: *mantis
Stranger: I guess I just don't really think that survival is itself a worthwhile goal.
You: It's the only goal, from a biological point of view
Stranger: When I'm feeling in a particularly unchristian mindset, I'm an absurdist. A Nihilist.
You: Haha, oh well, without a god you can make up your own meaning in life
Stranger: Or dismiss all meaning.
You: Or that
Stranger: Which is what I tend to do.
Stranger: I think Nietzsche meant for it to be a creative act though.
Stranger: It would have been interesting to see what he would have done with his later thought if he hadn't gotten syphilis.
You: Indeed
Stranger: I like the way Camus puts it though.
Stranger: Or rather, I like his framing of the problem, and Nagel's understanding of it.
Stranger: Neither of the two is staggeringly famous, but both are competent and more "literary" than most philosophers.
Stranger: Nagel's conclusion is that life should be approached with irony - realizing nothing we do has any real meaning or value.
Stranger: But doing it anyway.
You: That's a good approach to life one's life without a belief in a deity
Stranger: Agreed.
Stranger: But as I said, I find that worldview fundamentally disappointing.
Stranger: I can't live it.
Stranger: What was it Peter said to Jesus - -
Stranger: "Where else would I go?"
Stranger: That's a part of why I'm still a Christian.
Stranger: I don't think there's anything else worth being.
You: That may not be surprising to you, but I used to be a Christian as well. So did many atheists/agnostics
Stranger: Not surprising at all.
Stranger: I went through my own season of agnosticism.
You: Believing just for the sake of giving life a meaning seems kind of pointless to me
Stranger: It's not for the sake of giving it
Stranger: It's rather because I believe life does have meaning.
You: I'm curious. What meaning does life have with a belief in the christian god?
Stranger: I don't believe life doesn't have meaning and then proceed to adopt Christianity because I want an artificial construct to provide it for me.
Stranger: I suppose it means that there is something intrinsically good about mere existence.
You: How so?
Stranger: That there is joy and fulfillment to be found in embracing Being.
Stranger: I don't know. I've thought about this - and one question I've asked myself is "Why should God create something instead of nothing?"
Stranger: If we admit that God always does what is best, there must be something good about material existence.
You: That idea crumbles down when you actually read what kind of a god god is
Stranger: There must be something good about simply having a being reflect on the delight of our experiences.
Stranger: I suppose you mean that the more philosophical ideas of God don't jive with scripture?
You: Yes
You: And the more you get into philosophy, the less evidence you have for him
You: Until it becomes a mere delusion
You: Excuse my cynicism
Stranger: Nah, it's understandable.
Stranger: I've talked with atheists and been one myself.
Stranger: It doesn't phase me.
You: At the very least we can agree that there is no empirical evidence pointing towards the existence of the christian god, am I correct?
Stranger: Again, the definition of "empirical" needs to be qualified.
You: No scientific evidence, then
Stranger: I think not.
You: That's a big success.
Stranger: Now you reply with the evidentialist claim.
You: You're the first one to go that far
You: On Omegle, that is
Stranger: And argue that it is morally irresponsible for me to believe in anything which I don't have scientific evidence of.
Stranger: See what I mean? These talks are formulaic.
You: Well, do you have anything to counter that argument?
Stranger: I suppose - but it gets kind of convoluted.
Stranger: I offer some examples of things we believe in that are unfalsifiable.
Stranger: You counter that behavioralism serves as evidence for some of these.
Stranger: You change direction and suggest that faith has an impotent object, and that it is irrelevant regardless of whether it is true.
Stranger: I might try to explain how God could work in unfalsifiable ways.
Stranger: You dismiss those as obscurant, use Ockham's razor.
You: I assume that you are familiar with Occams razor?
You: Haha
Stranger: You may think I'm delusional, but at least don't think me stupid.
You: You're definetly not stupid, no
You: I would then bring up the example of using Ancient gods to explain phenomenas such as thunder (Thor)
Stranger: I make the defense that God is not a "God of the gaps."
Stranger: This is precisely why I didn't take the Apologetics degree at seminary.
You: It's a shame that Christopher Hitchens died so early, he dealt with apologists like William Lane Craig in such a efficient way
Stranger: This whole world is fundamentally uninteresting to me.
Stranger: Craig tries to get people fired up about rational defense.
Stranger: It seems so...I don't know, pointless?
Stranger: How many people are really convinced by rational argument that way?
You: Religion can be very dangerous
Stranger: It can be.
You: Have you ever heard about "Aryan Catholicism"?
Stranger: Not really.
Stranger: Is that Aryan as in Master Race or Aryan as in pre-Vedantic?
You: The first one
Stranger: Ugh.
Stranger: Religion can be dangerous, but it can also be beautiful.
You: It includes the delusion that the Holocaust never happened
Stranger: It's like anything with the power to shape the way people view the world.
You: I'd argue that the negative effects of religion outweight the positive one's by far. You should know that especially
You: Republican party anyone?
Stranger: Anyone who empathizes with the modern atheism movement would take that position.
Stranger: Even when I'm feeling irreligious, I still think that faith serves a function that is necessary.
Stranger: So I would not agree with that.
You: Having gay-marriage legalized would not be an issue if it wasn't for fundamental Christians in politics
You: Likewise (some) arabic countries wouldn't have stoning as a death penalty for adulterers
Stranger: Having gay-marriage legalized would not be an issue if we weren't dumb enough to make a Christian ceremony presided over by a secular government.
You: Marriage a Christian ceremony? Hm?
Stranger: Let me explain.
You: It's much much older than that
Stranger: The issue, in my mind, isn't so much that any Christian ought to be against gay marriage - we only have any say concerning specifically Christian marriage.
Stranger: I wouldn't expect to have the privilege of getting a Muslim marriage (I'm not Muslim).
Stranger: So, when someone says there's a gay marriage going on, and we look to our Bibles and it doesn't quite match up, the perception is that we are legalizing gay Christian marriage.
Stranger: Not gay civil union.
Stranger: The equal rights issue is fundamentally a civil issue, not a religious one.
Stranger: If there were an exclusively gay religion, in which only homosexuals could be married - I would not expect them to marry me to a woman.
Stranger: Protesting that they were violating my rights would be absurd - it's their religion.
You: What justification for the prohibition of any kind of official gay marriage (not even talking about a Christian ceremony) do you have other than religious fundamentalism?
Stranger: I don't protest gay marriage.
Stranger: If it's a secular marriage, what business is it of mine?
You: Indeed
Stranger: On the other hand, I would also expect that if our holy scriptures suggest that marriage is between man and woman - then a specifically Christian marriage by definition can't be a gay marriage.
Stranger: So I don't protest gay marriage at all - I just don't think it's Christian.
You: That's completely understandable. But denying them from getting a secular marriage is promoted by Christian fundamentalists such as the Republican party
Stranger: I believe gay people have all the rights anyone else does when it comes to our secular government's recognition.
You: or the CDU/CSU in Germany
Stranger: That's because right-wing people typically identify America as a Christian nation.
Stranger: Which it is not.
Stranger: It is a secular state.
You: The USA is by far not the only secular state not allowing gay marriage
Stranger: Fine, I just don't think that secular states have any ground for not allowing it, that's all.
Stranger: What defines marriage for a secular state?
Stranger: Convention?
Stranger: If convention changes, then so does marriage!
Stranger: There isn't a set standard.
You: There doesn't have to be one
Stranger: It's not so much fundamentalism as it is a conflation of church and state that leads to these protests.
You: Which means that the state isn't all that secular after all
You: Religion shouldn't have any place in politics
Stranger: It's unavoidable that religion has some place.
Stranger: Even if you're merely humanist, something must inform your values.
You: Laws
Stranger: That's working backwards.
Stranger: The laws are built to enforce certain values.
You: Laws tells the average citizen which is okay to do and what's not okay to do. Everything else is up to the individual
Stranger: Okay I'm seriously in trouble
Stranger: I should have started working on After Effects an hour ago
Stranger: you got me hooked with that "interesting" language
You: I'm sorry
Stranger: haha
You: You better get going then
Stranger: I was stupid enough to procrastinate on here
Stranger: serves me right
Stranger: Good talking with you.
You: Was it worth it, at the very least?
You: Likewise
Stranger: It was more interesting that refreshing Facebook at 3am and seeing nothing new.
You: Thanks, I guess
You: Have a good day
Stranger: haha
Stranger: you too
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Pinnacle of Polymer Pistols?
A Review with Video of the Heckler & Koch HK45
I have a man-crush on the .45ACP. What red-blooded American male wouldn't? I mean, come on. It is the epitome of handgun cartridges that has seen America through two World Wars, one "police action" and … whatever the Vietnam Conflict was. Designed by the Über-Mensch of all gun designers: St. John Moses Browning, specifically for his iconic 1911 handgun, the .45ACP has been the "go to" round in the American handgun arsenal for over 100 years and it is still going strong.
When you start looking into polymer-framed .45ACP semi-autos you have a lot of choices. I have personally owned and used/reviewed and fired Sigs, Glocks, FNs, Berettas, but none of them, in my opinion, rises to the level of design and function that the HK 45 offers. And then, of course, you have Springfield's line of imported Euro-handguns, S&W, Ruger, etc. etc.
Here are some thoughts about what I've shot so far, compared to the HK.
I do not like the fact that the Sig offers no external safety, thus giving you no option but to fire it from DA before you get to SA, if you choose to carry a round in the chamber. The SIG P220 has a very limited capacity, and you can get 10 rounds if you are ok carrying a gangly extended magazine with it. The SIG P227 has certainly caught my eye though, SIG's first double-stack .45ACP. And, of course, SIG gives you an all metal construction. But, with it's lack of external safety you therefore must master two trigger pulls, rather than one.
The FN .45 ACP DA/SA semi-autos (FNP and FNX) are fine pistols and have the distinct advantage of the largest stock capacity out there 15+1. That's a whole lot of .45ACP love right there. I've owned them and used them. Great handguns, but the "feel" compare to the HK is very clear, well, almost kind of "cheap" in comparison to the HK. The HK is much tighter, and feels stronger. The trigger group in the FNX feels almost toy like. The HK is much more rugged and obviously built to tighter tolerances. The Glock 21 is a terrific handgun and is clearly the winner in striker-fire actions. Chamber a round into a Glock and it is "always on" … you supply the safety: trigger finger discipline and proper mental discipline. The Beretta PX Storm comes in .45ACP but the "backward" safety on the Berettas drives me nuts, though the build quality and ergonomics are great. And, hey, it's a Beretta, very well built, just nothing for me other than a range gun.
The HK however offers the best of all worlds, in my view. You have a great external safety that has the best decocking mechanism I've run across yet. When you decock there is a clear "click" feel as you move it into decocking, something I have not found on anything else with a decocker. That tactical feedback is totally lacking on the FNX, etc. The trigger on the HK is nice and wide, offering the chance to get more of the tip of your finger on it, and making it easier to press the trigger back cleaning. The reset point on the HK trigger, stock, is not short enough, to my liking. The HK sights are crisp and visible, yellow in daylight, and glowing at night. The HK's o-ring on the barrel allows for greater accuracy. It's recoil spring is a monster. Clear the HK 45 has the best of the build features in its granddaddy, the HK MK23 or as I call it, "The Beast."
Shooting it is very comfortable, the grip is nicely ergonomically formed and with adjustable backstraps you are able to get what suits you best. I found shooting it to be very easy. The recoil is very manageable. I'd have to give the nod to the SIG P220 for comfort in shooting the .45ACP though.
The major down-side of the HK 45 is its capacity: 10+1. Period. No extended magazines available. No base plates allowing more rounds. It is what it is, a 11 round capacity .45ACP. That alone may be the deciding factor for people wanting to have more rounds in the pistol: Glock offers more, and so does the FN platform, as previously mentioned.
But, arguably, you have the higest quality build out of the box from the H&K, hands down better than anything I've ever used. I have not tried out Springfields or S&W's or Ruger's line of .45ACP polymer handguns. Hope to some day. I may be blown away by them, but I highly doubt it.
The HK 45 is a great handgun and if you have a chance to shoot one, I think you'll see what I'm talking about.
Here is the video:
The Pinnacle of Polymer Pistols: The HK45 Review
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text: Last weekend Tommy Heimburg, owner of ERIDE Motorcycles crashed his Zero MX at Motocross Wohlen track in Switzerland. The frame of the Zero MX broke behind the head tube. It seems this failure may have caused the crash. The history of this Zero bike is unknown as it was owned and race by a private party but obviously there is concern that this could happen to other Zero MX motorcycles and may cause a risk to owners.


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With respect to amounts appropriated for a fiscal year for the National Institutes of Health, the limitation established in section 284c (a)(1) of this title on the expenditure of such amounts for administrative expenses shall apply to administrative expenses of the National Institute on Deafness and Other Communication Disorders.
Source(July 1, 1944, ch. 373, title IV, § 464F, as added Pub. L. 100–553, § 2(4),Oct. 28, 1988, 102 Stat. 2774, and Pub. L. 100–690, title II, § 2613(a)(1),Nov. 18, 1988, 102 Stat. 4238; amended Pub. L. 100–690, title II, § 2613(b)(2),Nov. 18, 1988, 102 Stat. 4238; Pub. L. 103–43, title IV, § 403(b)(2),June 10, 1993, 107 Stat. 158.)
Pub. L. 100–553and section 2613(a)(1) ofPub. L. 100–690contained identical provisions enacting this section. See 1988 Amendment note below.
1993—Pub. L. 103–43substituted "section 284c (a)(1)" for "section 284c (b)(1)".
1988—Pub. L. 100–690, § 2613(b)(2), amended this section to read as if the amendments made by Pub. L. 100–690, § 2613(a)(1), which enacted this section, had not been enacted. See Codification note above.
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For effective date of amendment by section 2613(b)(2) ofPub. L. 100–690, see section 2613(b)(1) ofPub. L. 100–690, set out as an Effect of Enactment of Similar Provisions note under section 285m of this title.
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We had been vacationing in Pennsylvania for years. I had been bitten by that "Genealogy Bug" and we both loved the State and culture. Over ten years ago we made a decision to leave California and move to the Keystone State. Little did we know what life had in store for us because of that decision!
After living in Lebanon for two years, we migrated south to Lititz and lived there for four years. Keeping with our migration pattern, we headed south again and after looking at a total of 38 different houses, found an 1880's "City Home" in Lancaster. The first time we walked through the front door we felt an immediate connection. As it turns out, there was a connection and I'll explain that later . . .
Philip Kleiss' name is familiar to anybody who reads the Lancaster newspapers or watches the evening news. My 6th great grandfather was a Tavern keeper in the heart of the city in the 1700's. Upon his death two of his sons inherited the Tavern and the building remained on the corner of Queen and Vine Streets. Plans to build a Convention Center in Lancaster included demolishing the tavern . . . until they discovered an underground cistern between it and Thaddeus Steven's home.
This is the cistern that saved both of the buildings from demolition. They were saved because an archeological dig discovered evidence that the cistern was probably used as a secret hiding place on the "Underground Railroad." The cistern, Stevens home and my ancestor's tavern will now be incorporated into the Convention Center as learning center and museum.
Ludwig (Lewis) Leader, a sixth great grandfather, also, was one of the earliest settlers in Marietta, a river town about 15 miles from Lancaster. We have gone to Marietta countless times for brunch, to cemeteries, and just to drive through the town, imagining what it must have been like when he settled in the area. We have even gone through the home he built in the early 1800's! It was for sale, but had been a neglected rental and Jim said Absolutely No Way!!
Look at it today. Whomever bought it did a wonderful job restoring it; so wonderful that it was on the Candlelight Tour as denoted by the bronze plate next to the door.
Because Lewis' son, Samuel married Susannah Bischoff, I am in Pennsylvania! After all, I have Susannah's Bible.
John Niess was my third great grandfather. I knew his name, his wife's name and his childrens' names. I had no idea when or where he married. We moved to Lititz because we had joined the Moravian Church. I, naturally, became a member of the Archives Committee in this historic Church and looked thru old Church records in answer to genealogy requests. Imagine my surprise to find John Niess' marriage record while searching for somebody else! Think he led me to this Church? Not a doubt in my mind!
Michael Auxer(s), one was my fourth great grandfather, the other my fifth great grandfather. Both lived in Elizabethtown and both were weavers. I've been in the Church they worshipped in and walked on the streets they once did. I have found the graves of each of their wifes, but not either of theirs! My bucket list includes finding their graves and a coverlet that either of them wove. Philip Kleiss Auxer, was Michael, Jr's son and my third great-grandfather. In the 1860's he owned a house west of Elizabethtown in Stackstown, a little elbow in the road.
Today this barn is at the elbow in that road, with maybe 15 other houses in the area.
Now the connection we felt to the house we purchased in Lancaster? While researching the deeds of previous owners, I discovered that my grandmother's third cousin, Emma Grace Auxer, and her husband Guy B. Eberly had owned the same property in 1923! I was living in the past! I actually lived my life in the same home "shirt-tail" relative had!
The most important move was to Pennsylvania, not necessarily all the locations. It has allowed me to find the stories of my ancestors, walk into buildings they once had and see their lives in that third dimension. The move to Pennsylvania brought them to life, warts and all. They were real people, not just names in my database. We go on with our lives in Lancaster, walking the streets my ancestors did, entering the same buildings they did and visiting the same graves they did. I love knowing that because of what these real people did in the past,
I can truly appreciate living in the present in Lancaster County!


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Proposed Canon
Shockmancy is one of the three disciplines of the Magic class Naughtymancy; it is aligned with the axis of Erf and composed of the two elements of Motion and Matter. Erf-b1-p038a
- Stunning Spells.
- Flash mobs
- It is widely suspected that direct-damage spells are included in this branch of magic. While this has been somewhat implied by the comic and summer updates, it has not been explicitly shown or explained to be the case.
Natural Shockmancy
Falls are treated as natural shockmancy. You can be injured, incapacitated, or croaked as a result of a fall (distance fallen has an effect on this).
Known Shockmancers
- Rusty Trombone, formerly of Faq before its fall.
- Caesar mentions that Carpool has a Shockmancer and he visited the city of Chocula before it was attacked by Transylvito. The Carpudlian Shockmancer bulked up the tower air defenses prior to the battle. These air defenses may have resembled those in place at the Tower of Efdup in the Battle for Gobwin KnobErf-b1-p097, but they may also have been merely large-scale stunning spells that would have left Transylvito's airborne force immobilized and thus fatally vulnerable to the city's defenders.
Shockmancy Scrolls
A Shockmancy scroll was used near the end of the Battle for Gobwin Knob.Erf-b1-p126 Sizemore stunned a large number of Royal Crown Coalition forces before detonating a Crap Golem.
Real World References
When casting the SpellErf-b1-p126 Sizemore mentions names of well known pictures or videos on the Internet, which are disturbing for viewers, and difficult to get out of one's head; colloquially, these pages are known as shock sites. NSFW sound effect is an abbreviation for Not Safe for Work, which would certainly apply to shock sites in general. 4Chan sound effect as a secondary sound effect accompanying the explosion is an image site well known its "execrable" standards as well as for posting and producing shock images.
The "Flash mob" ability used by the Archons is a double-entendre of Real World references. The term refers to any group of people who assemble suddenly in a single location to perform some action, as a group of Archons did over Expository Bridge. Once assembled, the Archons "flashed" (i.e. exposed parts of their bodies to) the forces of Jetstone to stun them into not noticing the casting of a veil in the adjacent hex. Thus the tactic was both a flash mob and a mob that flashed. The effect of stunning a target could also be a reference to a "flash-bang" grenade which is used by law enforcement and military to blind, disorient, and stun opponents.


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Looking for £80 posted after I had my time wasted on auction.
It has come to my attention that people think this groupset is full and comes with a chainset. I did clearly state what the groupset consists of. If so, you can still bid on the parts which it comes as, or leave it. Just thought I'd inform you all of this that is DOES NOT come with a chainset[
Hi, for sale is my groupset as I am upgrading my bike, it is brand new but I fancied a quick upgrade after getting a good deal/discount on a Microshift groupset. I have added up the prices of these parts which comes to £126.
-The road groupset is called 2300 and slots in at the bottom of the Shimano hierarchy, just below Sora. The eight-speed group has a smooth, flowing design.
-The eight-speed rear derailleur has a 'wide link' design which Shimano say improves rigidity, shifting and durability.
-The Sora-style shifters have been designed for riders who spend most of their time on the hoods. They feature reach adjustment and an optical gear display.
The groupset consists of the following:
-Shimano 2300 Front Dérailleur (Braze-On)
-Shimano 2300 Rear Dérailleur
-Shimano 2300 STi Shifters (Double) [Scuff on one of the shifters but just cosmetic]
-SRAM PG 850 12-26t
-KMC Z7 Chain (8 speed)
Email Me on kinetic_uk_2010 [at] yahoo.co.uk if interested.


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- General Rules
- Penalty Abatements and Waivers
- AP 633: Guidelines for Waiver and Abatement of Penalties
- Dishonored (Bounced) Check Penalty
- Dishonored Electronic Funds Transfer (EFT) Payment Penalty
- Failure to File, Report or Pay Electronically Penalty
- Federal Change Abatements
- Late File and Late Pay Penalties
- Nonfiler Double Penalty
- Underpayment of Estimated Tax (M-2210 Penalty) - Exception of Waiver
- How to File
- When to File
- Statute of Limitations
- Taxpayer Appeal Rights
- Massachusetts References
General Rules
Any person aggrieved by the assessment of a tax may apply in writing to the commissioner, on a form approved by him or her, for an abatement of such tax. The abatement application must be filed within the time prescribed by law.
Examples of abatements filed:
- a taxpayer wishes to dispute an additional tax that was assessed as a result of a DOR audit;
- after filing a tax return late and incurring late file penalties, a taxpayer can demonstrate that the late filing was due to reasonable cause.
Note: If, after filing a tax return, a taxpayer discovers that deductions were omitted, or income was overstated so that taxes were overpaid, an amended return should be filed to report this type of change.
The abatement of interest is not discretionary and DOR does not have the authority to abate interest accrued on unpaid or late tax. Interest can be reduced only as a result of a tax that is being abated, or if the amount of interest was miscalculated.
Requests for abatements may be submitted online or in writing at any time:
- within 3 years from the date of filing the return or due date, whichever is later,
- within 2 years from the date the tax was assessed or deemed to be assessed, or
- within 1 year from the date that the tax was paid, whichever is later.
Limitations on the Amount of a Refund Resulting from an Abatement:
Where a refund or credit results from an abatement, the amount of such refund or credit is limited to the amount paid, or deemed paid pursuant to section 79, within 3 years of the date that the application for abatement is filed, taking into account any extension of time for filing the return.
If the three-year period for filing an application for abatement has expired, and an application for abatement is filed within two years of an assessment, the Commissioner may grant an abatement up to the amount of that assessment. If the time for filing an abatement application has otherwise expired and an application for abatement is filed within one year of a payment of a portion of an assessment, the Commissioner may grant an abatement up to the amount of the payment.
A taxpayer filing an abatement application is required to include all supporting information, documents, explanations, arguments and authorities that will reasonably enable the commissioner to determine whether the applicant is entitled to the abatement requested. The abatement application is not considered complete until all such information has been received by the Department, and may be denied by the Department, without prejudice, if the taxpayer fails to provide information requested by the Department within thirty (30) days from the date of the request. In that situation, the taxpayer will be notified that the abatement is being denied based on lack of sufficient information.
Following a denial of an unsubstantiated abatement application, the taxpayer may file a new, properly substantiated abatement application or, in the alternative, appeal to the Appellate Tax Board or the probate court on the merits within the time limitations of G.L. c. 62C, Section 39.
Note: Any subsequent application for abatement must be filed within the time limitations of G.L. c. 62C, Section 37 without regard to the prior filing. Any appeal to the Appellate Tax Board must be within 60 days of the first abatement denial.
A second filing of an abatement application will not be acted upon by the Department if:
- the application does not contain information previously requested by the Department; or
- the application contains the same information submitted with the prior filing without additional information; or
- the application is filed after the taxpayer has appealed to the Appellate Tax Board or Probate Court.
Collection Activity on Tax, Interest or Penalties in Dispute:
Taxpayers generally are not obligated to pay and will not be subject to involuntary collection activities on tax, interest or penalties that are in dispute while abatement applications are under consideration, or while any denial of an abatement claim is on appeal at the Appellate Tax Board. However, interest, and in some cases penalties, will accrue on any unpaid amount for which taxpayers are ultimately held responsible. Please note that the statute of limitations on collections will be suspended during the appeal process. Therefore, taxpayers may wish to pay amounts they are disputing to stop the accrual of interest and penalties. A refund, with interest, will be issued if the abatement is ultimately approved or the taxpayer has prevailed in the administrative appeal process, and the assessment has been paid.
How to File an Application for Abatement
Taxpayers can file an application for abatement online through MassTaxConnect. Look for "File a Dispute" under "I Want To" in your account for each tax type. Keep in mind that some taxpayers are required to file applications for abatement electronically. Refer to TIR 15-9, Electronic Filing and Payment Requirements Extended to Additional Tax Types, to see if the electronic filing and payment requirements apply to you. Filing electronically is always the quickest option but if you are not required to file electronically, you can file Form ABT , Application for Abatement. Filing online will result in faster refunds. Note: No abatement can be considered if an original return has not been filed.
Do not file an Application for Abatement for the following issues:
- misapplied payments;
- lost checks;
- carry forwards not applied to the following year
- changes to your filed return(s).
If you have questions:
- Visit us at mass.gov/dor, or
- Call us at 617-887-MDOR (6367) or toll-free in Massachusetts at 800-392-6089.
Massachusetts requires that an abatement application be received by DOR or be postmarked by the United States mail within the prescribed time limits. See Statute of Limitations.
Note: If the Commissioner and the taxpayer have agreed to extend the period for assessment of a tax pursuant to Section 27 of Chapter 62C, the deadline for filing an application for abatement of such tax extends to the end of the agreed extended period.
Two-Year Statute of Limitations Period:
Effective immediately, the two-year statute of limitations period begins to run from the date which is printed on the Notice of Assessment form as the "Notice Date." The date(s) which appears in the Notice of Assessment column headed "Assessment Date" will no longer be the date(s) from which the two-year statute begins to run, but will still be considered the date(s) upon which the tax was actually assessed for all other purposes.
Unpaid Taxes Not Warranting Collection
The Commissioner is authorized to abate the unpaid portion of the assessment of any tax or any liability if:
- the amount due does not exceed fifty dollars ($50); and
- the commissioner determines, under uniform rules prescribed by him that the administration and collection costs involved would not warrant collection of the amount due.
- M.G.L. Chapter 62C, Section 37
- M.G.L. Chapter 62C, Sections 26(b)
- M.G.L. Chapter 62C, Section 43
- M.G.L. Chapter 62C, Sections 30; 27
- 830 CMR 62C.30.1: Changes in Federal Taxable Income, Federal Tax Credits, or Federal Taxable Estate
- TIR 11-6: Tax Changes Contained in the Fiscal Year 2012 Budget
- TIR 03-11: Expansion of Mandatory Electronic Filing
- TIR 01-05: Statute of Limitations for Abatement Applications
- TIR 99-18: Legislative Repeal of So-Called
- TIR 93-11 Effective Change in the Deadline for Filing an Abatement Application
- TIR 84-3: Saturday, Sunday and Holiday Due Date
- AP 634: Offers in Final Settlement
- AP 633: Guidelines for the Waiver and Abatement of Penalties
- AP 630: Appeals from Appellate Tax Board Decisions
- AP 629: Appeals from Denial of Application of Abatement - Appellate Tax Board
- AP 628: Resolution of Disputes at the Office of Appeals
- AP 627: Applications for Abatement
- AP 607: Office of the Taxpayer Advocate
- AP 605: Amending Tax Returns
- Chapter 485 of the Acts of 1998, "An Act Reforming the Tax Laws of the Commonwealth" (ATB and Administrative Reform Memorandum)
- A Guide to the Department of Revenue: Your Taxpayer Bill of Rights


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By Kathryn Kopchik
LEWISBURG, Pa. — Pianist Richard Becker will perform in concert Sunday, Sept. 22, at 4 p.m. in the Rooke Recital Hall of the Weis Music Building at Bucknell University.
The concert, which is free and open to the public, will include four works by Chopin, "Kreisleriana: 8 Fantasies, Opus 16" by Schumann; and "Four Poems of Emily Dickinson for Piano Solo" composed by Becker.
Head of piano at the University of Richmond, Becker is a pianist and composer whose playing has been acclaimed in Europe and America. Performing on many college campuses over the years, he has also toured the eastern United States and performed at Lincoln Center's Tully Hall, Coolidge Auditorium of the Library of Congress, for the American Music Series at the National Gallery of Art and at the French Embassy. He has performed in Paris at the Salle Cortot where he was Laureate of the French Piano Institute, L'École Normale de Musique and Salle Edmund Michelet, a venue of Cité Internationale des Arts, Paris where he has five times been artist-in-residence in piano and composition.
Becker's music has been commissioned by Meet the Composer grants as well as grants from CRS Records. He has been a MacDowell Colony Fellow and nominee for an American Academy of Arts and Letters award.
His performances and his own music have been featured on NPR, Voice of America, WNYC, WETA, WGMS, and WCVE, and at the American Music Festival of the National Gallery of Art, and during his residencies at the Brattleboro Music Center, Vermont, Marshall University, Cité des Arts, Paris, at National Conferences of the Music Teachers National Association, the CMS-Mid-Atlantic Conference, on Brattleboro Music Center Summer Chamber Festival and Concert Series, and at residencies at the James Madison University Contemporary Music and Roxbury, N.Y., music festivals.
His playing has been cited for his "powerful interpretations" by the Washington Post, for being "admirable in taste and technique" by the New York Times, and for being "brilliant with seamless passagework and elegant phrasing" by the Richmond Times-Dispatch.
Becker's playing is grounded in the tradition of Arthur Schnabel acquired during his study with Leonard Shure while at Boston University (M. Mus.). His teaching owes much to the methods of Tobias Matthay, learned from Cecile Staub Genhart during his years at the Eastman School of Music (B.Mus. and Performers Certificate).
Becker has taught at the University of Texas and Boston University prior to joining the faculty at University of Richmond in 1975. His compositions have been recorded on CRS Records and his piano performance on Albany Records. He is a Board Member of the American Matthay Association for Pianists.
In recent years, Becker's poetry has been published by journals such as America, Columbia, and Cold Mountain Review. His poetic sequence, "FATES," was published as a chapbook by The Literary Review.


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By RAELYNN RICARTE
News staff writer
June 24, 2006
Sen. Rick Metsger, D-Welches, has joined a legislative panel that is seeking to protect citizens from identity theft.
Metsger, who represents District 26, which includes Hood River County, was recently appointed to the Senate Interim Committee on Consumer Protection.
In addition to identity theft issues, he will work to stop price gouging during emergencies and predatory lending practices.
"As a member of the consumer protection committee, I'll be in a position to keep these issues on the front burner," said Metsger. "And I won't rest until the Legislature has fulfilled its obligation to enact meaningful reforms."
He believes that identity theft is the biggest challenge facing the senate committee. Metsger joins the law enforcement community in the contention that the growing number of forgery and fraud crimes is directly tied to the methamphetamine trade.
Last fall, Detective Ed Hewitt visited Hood River to share information with authorities on the scope of meth-related crimes. The nationally known expert from American Criminal Investigators Network said that one out of every 20 people is currently dealing with credit problems related to identity theft. He said that number is expected to climb to one in every five people within the next five years.
In 2005, Metsger and Rep. Patti Smith, R-Corbett, who serves District 52, which also includes Hood River County, co-sponsored House Bill 2412 that enabled Oregon citizens to "freeze" credit files if even suspected they might be a victim of identity theft. HB2412 granted individuals the right to prohibit any new credit accounts from being opened in their name until further notice.
Although the legislation died after credit agencies lobbied heavily against it, both Metsger and Smith are encouraged that Gov. Ted Kulongoski is now onboard with the proposal. "This bill puts people in control of their own credit and they should have that right,"said Metsger.
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Saint John's University provides education in the liberal arts and graduate theological disciplines in the Catholic university tradition.
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Barack Obama will push for an extension of emergency unemployment insurance benefits through the end of 2014, the White House said on Friday, saying the help is still warranted given stubbornly high unemployment.
"While the labor market has been improving, it is not, clearly, at full strength," spokesman Jay Carney told reporters at a briefing.
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More than 2 million unemployed people stands to lose jobless benefits by the end of the year if Congress doesn't reauthorize the program, the National Employment Law Project said last week.
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The benefits "remain a critical lifeline for substantial numbers of long-term unemployed workers who are struggling and looking for work for six months," the NELP said in a report.
Carney said the White House believes Congress will support the request because unemployment compensation has in the past been extended when the unemployment rate is near current levels. The jobless rate was 7.3 percent in October.
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June 20, 2013
Lewis & Clark College Dean of Students, Anna Gonzalez, announced today the retirement of Senior Associate Director of Physical Education and Athletics Judy McMullen, who for nearly 20 years has been an integral part of Pioneer athletics.
"Judy's commitment to Pioneer athletics is reflected in the success of our student athletes on the field and in the classroom," Dean Gonzalez said. "Her sense of humor, strategic thinking, and student centered approach to higher education will be missed by me and the rest of Student Life."
McMullen held the position of associate director of athletics and senior woman administrator at the College for 13 years before retiring from athletic administration in July 2007. She also served as interim director of physical education and athletics for much of the 2005-06 academic year.
McMullen could not stay away from the Pioneer Athletics, returning to Palatine Hill in July 2008 in an interim role assisting the department during a transitional period. McMullen rejoined the staff full-time in March 2009 as senior associate director of physical education and athletics – academic support.
During her time back on Palatine Hill, McMullen has served as the academic liaison and facilitator for Pioneer student-athletes to the broader campus community. She is responsible for determining and maintaining NCAA and Northwest Conference eligibility for all incoming and continuing student-athletes. McMullen has also served on numerous campus-wide committees over the years including most recently the CAS Strategic Planning Group, the Student Affairs Structural Assessment Committee, and the Committee on New Student Orientation, Registration, and Advising.
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Currently, McMullen is a member of the Division III Women's Rowing Committee, the National Association of Academic Advisors for Athletics, National Association of Division III Administrators, American Civil Liberties Union, Human Rights Coalition, and the Southern Poverty Law Center. She is also a graduate of the NACWAA/HERS Institute for Administrative Advancement.
A former student-athlete herself, McMullen played volleyball and basketball at California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo. McMullen has devoted her career to the promotion of college athletics in a safe and nurturing environment. McMullen has stayed true to the NCAA Division III philosophy, which is about balancing the academic and athletic experience, fostering equity among all athletic teams, and enhancing the student-athlete experience. This ethos has been a driving force throughout McMullen's professional career.
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It's been a year or more since I've made Jason's Quick Ciabatta recipe, so I made a variation first and followed the next day with his standard recipe.
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Later that day, I made the standard recipe which is always fun for me to make and will be nice for dinner tomorrow with the kids.