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Saturday, March 7, 2009
[Druid] Savage Defense on the PTR
Savage defense has finally made it to the PTR. I got to test it a little bit tonight. Nothing insane, but at least stuff that lets us do some basic theorycrafting about it.
It's learnable at the trainer. It requires no talent points.
It has no internal cooldown that I could find. It would proc on any crit, and it would proc after pretty much every swipe on large enough pulls.
It has a 10-second uptime (or until it's used).
SD procs after you already have an SD will refresh the timer, but will not stack. Or, basically, the new proc overwrites the old one. (This is important for later stuff)
And yeah, the buff icon looks unlike the actual skill icon, and looks like frenzied regeneration.
The graphic and animation is that you stand up and get a little reddish bubble in the middle of you. SD looks a lot like an enrage effect in that respect, and it's very easy to miss the bubble. The bubble is basically entirely contained inside of you. I think. In any case, it's not a big graphic, and you're not running around in a super simian sphere.
It does not proc on DoT effects when they crit.
It does proc on the application of DoTs, however - like the first attack of lacerate.
It does not proc on faerie fire.
It does appear to have similar issues to spell reflect, in that multiple attacks can be absorbed by one shield if they happen close enough to each other:
01:48'05.625 Feltest gains 3 Rage from Natural Reaction.
01:48'05.625 Feltest gains Savage Defense.
01:48'05.625 Feltest's Savage Defense is refreshed.
01:48'05.641 Feltest's Savage Defense is refreshed.
01:48'05.641 Feltest's Savage Defense is refreshed.
01:48'05.641 Feltest gains Reflection of Torment.
01:48'05.641 Feltest's Savage Defense is refreshed.
01:48'05.641 Feltest gains 3 Rage from Natural Reaction.
01:48'05.672 Demon Hunter Supplicant #79 attack was absorbed by Feltest. 01:48'05.672 Demon Hunter Supplicant #59 attack was absorbed by Feltest.
The big one for me: it is heavily affected by latency, as far as I can tell, and still has significant bugs. Not that that's a surprise, but keep them in mind. I'd often see a SD proc happen a second or so after actually critting a mob - even after the LotP proc that would trigger. In my testing above, I also came across parts where the log said I'd gain SD but the shield would not absorb anything. I think this is due to it breaking when facing significant amounts of mobs (I was pulling supplicants at BT as a test). Here's an example:
01:48'02.812 Feltest gains 3 Rage from Natural Reaction.
01:48'02.812 Feltest Swipe hits Demon Hunter Supplicant #56 for 911 Physical. (Critical)
01:48'02.812 Feltest Swipe hits Demon Hunter Supplicant #68 for 911 Physical. (Critical)
01:48'02.828 Feltest Swipe hits Demon Hunter Supplicant #60 for 442 Physical.
01:48'02.844 Feltest Swipe hits Netharel #2 for 443 Physical.
01:48'02.844 Feltest Swipe hits Demon Hunter Supplicant #59 for 911 Physical. (Critical)
01:48'02.844 Feltest Swipe hits Demon Hunter Supplicant #58 for 911 Physical. (Critical)
01:48'02.844 Feltest Swipe hits Demon Hunter Supplicant #69 for 442 Physical.
01:48'02.844 Feltest Swipe hits Demon Hunter Supplicant #66 for 442 Physical.
01:48'02.844 Feltest Swipe hits Demon Hunter Supplicant #70 for 443 Physical.
(at this point, I should receive a SD proc)
01:48'02.875 Demon Hunter Supplicant #70 melee swing hits Feltest for 72 Physical.
(and naturally I don't, and get hit anyway)
01:48'02.922 Demon Hunter Supplicant #79 attack was dodged by Feltest.
01:48'03.172 Demon Hunter Supplicant #66 attack was dodged by Feltest.
01:48'03.187 Netharel #2 attack was dodged by Feltest.
01:48'03.187 Netharel #2 attack was dodged by Feltest.
01:48'03.203 Demon Hunter Supplicant #68 died.
01:48'03.203 Demon Hunter Supplicant #60 died.
01:48'03.203 Demon Hunter Supplicant #58 died.
01:48'03.203 Feltest gains 3 Rage from Natural Reaction.
01:48'03.203 Feltest gains Savage Defense.
01:48'03.219 Feltest's Savage Defense is refreshed.
01:48'03.219 Feltest's Savage Defense is refreshed.
01:48'03.219 Feltest's Savage Defense is refreshed.
(now I gain the SD proc - and it's refreshed multiple times. Presumably because I got a total of 4 crits, and each crit separately can make an SD proc - and they all overwrite each other).
01:48'03.250 Demon Hunter Supplicant #55 attack was dodged by Feltest.
01:48'03.250 Demon Hunter Supplicant #55 attack misses Feltest.
01:48'03.578 Feltest melee swing hits Demon Hunter Supplicant #55 for 825 Physical.
01:48'03.578 Demon Hunter Supplicant #70 attack was dodged by Feltest.
01:48'03.609 Demon Hunter Supplicant #66 gains Evasion.
01:48'03.609 Feltest gains 5 Rage from Primal Fury.
01:48'03.625 Feltest gains 5 Rage from Primal Fury.
01:48'03.625 Feltest gains 5 Rage from Primal Fury.
01:48'03.625 Feltest gains 5 Rage from Primal Fury.
01:48'03.625 Feltest gains 3 Rage from Natural Reaction.
01:48'03.625 Feltest gains 3 Rage from Natural Reaction.
01:48'03.625 Feltest gains 3 Rage from Natural Reaction.
01:48'03.625 Feltest gains 3 Rage from Natural Reaction.
01:48'03.656 Demon Hunter Supplicant #79 melee swing hits Feltest for 81 Physical.
(this is where I should have used the shield. I did not).
01:48'03.656 Demon Hunter Supplicant #59 attack misses Feltest.
01:48'03.656 Demon Hunter Supplicant #69 attack misses Feltest.
01:48'03.875 Demon Hunter Supplicant #80 attack misses Feltest.
More testing is required, of course, but my suspicion is that the multiple 'refreshes' confuses the system and causes you to effectively lose your shield. I also think it's somewhat flawed that the shield happens so long (relatively speaking) after the actual event; it means that if you happen to crit in between the first crit and the shield proc, you will just overwrite the shield instead of having it used on any attacks in the meantime. Is that problematic in practice? Not exactly. But it makes it less effective than it should be.
The tooltip is interesting, in that it implies that the shield's absorption is not tied to your AP at the time you spawned it - only at the time that you get hit. Not sure why this would ever matter, but I plan on testing it at some point.
Things I'll be testing:
whether or not it does absorb 25% of your AP (only tested against weak mobs tonight)
whether a DoT tick or something else like it (reflective damage, for example) will remove the shield
If the absorption is based on AP at the time of proc or at the time of use
further testing to see if I can narrow down when you get a shield or not (the bug above)
Any requests for testing that you'd like to see? I'm limited in time and what gear I have, but I'll try my best to oblige.
45 comments:
- Shamad said...
It would be interesting to see how it works on the patchwerk tank-test, how much it ends up actually mitigating over time on a single boss. O/c that's a "ideal" boss for it, anything that hits for smaller amounts and faster is more likely to not make full use of the shield and also you'll have SD up for a smaller percentage of hits.
So basicly, unless it's INSANELY good on the tank-test, it's going to be overall quite weak as every other scenario is less than ideal for it. And o/c as the damage scales upwards, SD loses out to the armor we lost.
Basicly still not a fan of this :/
- March 7, 2009 at 2:36 AM
- Karthis said...
Not triggering on bleed crits is a bit of a let down. I guess Primal Gore won't be necessary in a tanking build after all.
My main interest is in coming up with a useful model of how important the offensive stats are for our mitigation with this shield... more from a boss tanking perspective than anything.
- March 7, 2009 at 6:15 AM
Thanks for the heads up. I just tried it myself and saw similar results: proccing with no CD, but not always absorbing damage. Seems pretty cool though, I love the idea of it. I hope they spruce up the graphic and icon a little more.
- March 7, 2009 at 3:14 PM
- Phil Jackson said...
Let's hope these issues get addressed. I'm looking forward to having another stat to at least pay attention while gearing up. I'm already looking for other pieces that are high in AP for the off chance we want a "shield block" type gear set for a fight. While I don't think we'll need it, it can't hurt I guess. All this does make me happy to know that I have all the AP buffs in my 25 man raid :-)
- March 7, 2009 at 11:59 PM
The idea of making AP important for me is interesting for one reason: Food buffs. I spend about 3 hours a week fishing and doing daily cooking quests so I can provide fish feasts for my raids.
Yet, I don't even use them myself, as I prefer the 40 agil/40 stam food buff from dragon fin. So, there is more time invested just for food buffs for me. If AP was a stat I wanted to stack, I'd be more than happy to save my self the time fishing the over fished dragon fin spawns and just sit down with my raid mates to a nice little fish feast.
- March 8, 2009 at 1:27 PM
From the tooltip it was quite clear to me that it wouldn't proc on DoTs, since these don't really count as melee hits.
It's a shame that it doesn't work against spell damage. That way the current stamina nerf hits us even harder.
I really hope that the lag issues are fixed, otherwise the effectiveness of SD will be quite reduced, especially against big trash groups.
In other news:
I did some emergency tanking in Naxx25 yesterday. The second tank on Gluth kept dying (5 deaths in two tries!), so I repeatedly jumped in. I also jumped in on our first Thaddius try, as the tank on Stalagg died for some reason.
After the hateful prot pala died on Patchwerk died, resulting in a wipe, I was ordered to stay behind as a backup tank (after I told the raid leader that it doesn't make sense to tell a retri pala to step in, only because he used to be prot in other raids).
It's a real pain to have so many "real" tanks (ie. def warriors and prot palas), because I never get to tank anything unless there is an emergency.
At the moment one of the reasons might be that my computer is about 5 years old and I have around 3 FPS in heroic raids during combat. I guess I'll order a new computer this week. But if this keeps up even with a decent frame rate I'm going to be really pissed.
Obviously I'm good enough to tank heroics and I even outranked the other tanks in HP for the first time yesterday, but in raids it's always "real tanks first" - thanks a lot!
- March 8, 2009 at 11:41 PM
- Icarus said...
"My main interest is in coming up with a useful model of how important the offensive stats are for our mitigation with this shield... more from a boss tanking perspective than anything."
this is what I am really curious about too. It would be fun to have a high stam set a high dodge set and a high "block" set which has lots of crit and ap. I also am really curious to see how this is against a single target/ Multi mobs it should be great due to all the crits from swipe... but Id love to see math on how effective it will be with a normal rotation.
in response to copey.. Unless I am mistaken 40agi will still be the best food to use and now will actually be even better since the sheild is based on CRIT as well as AP of which agi gives both on top of the other benefits of dodge.
- March 9, 2009 at 1:54 AM
- Yakari said...
I was curious about how Savage Defense was initially defined as part of this definition lack here.
As far as I remember, there was a condition for shield to keep up. You had not to give a single hit or shield fall off.
Maybe it's me that is getting confused about this point, but I didn't see anything about it. Is it still effective, or has this point been removed ?
PS: So sorry for my poor English.
- March 9, 2009 at 2:20 AM
Agi only provides AP for cats, not for bears. Thus the bear has only the benefit of the crit and dodge increase.
- March 9, 2009 at 3:44 AM
- Andrew said...
"From the tooltip it was quite clear to me that it wouldn't proc on DoTs, since these don't really count as melee hits."
We didn't have a tooltip at our disposal until this post.
- March 9, 2009 at 6:11 AM
I assume Savage Defense works with cat form too. I don't see anything mentioning Bear Form exclusively.
Overall, it seems rather weak to me still. Hopefully they can figure all of this out before we become the worst tanks.
- March 9, 2009 at 6:23 AM
- Phil Jackson said...
Kal quick question, does it proc off of critters? If it does, I know I'll be looking for critters before a pull for the extra shield.
- March 9, 2009 at 8:08 AM
Peter I hope you are happy with your stamina nerf now. You want it now you have it
- March 9, 2009 at 8:13 AM
The first thing i did after reading this post was to download the PTR client and copy my feral tank (which also is my main).
In naxx10/25 I've been able to tank patchwerk even with the dps set. In my guild we are 2 feral tanks and the common agreement is that we are better tanking (and generating aggro) than anything else (even when the warriors have much better equipment... maybe it's just the people behind them, I don't know ).
In a mixed naxx25 dps/tank set with 35k hp selfbuffed (42k raid buffed) and 35k ar (38k ar in raid), in the ptr my druid has 32k hp (-2.5k hp) and only 28k ar (almost 7k armor loss).
Anyway in bear form (selfbuffed) I've 5k ap (6.2k in raid). That's a shield absorbing just 1.5k hp, which I think a bit low, because even if I could manage to increase the ap to the 7Ks or 8Ks, the shield would just absorb 2k hp.
I've already told in my guild that for Ulduar I'm going as dps, not only because more than 90% of dps items are going to be valid for tanking but also because there're fewer tanks so it's easier to roll for tank items as off.
Maybe it's time to reconsider jewelery and trinkets with ar again... 25% doesn't seem to scale too much to me.
- March 9, 2009 at 9:15 AM
- Mitch said...
"25% doesn't seem to scale too much to me." - Ackward
I agree, it really doesn't. Besides for weapons you aren't seeing huge AP upgrades so it only accounts to a few extra damage points per upgrade. I haven't really been a fan of tanking in general with the expansion and thankfully I was used for my DPS (except recently I've been OTing for farming purposes, whatev, and for stam tanking).
With the boost to kitty dps and complexity I've had *a lot* more fun pewpewing rather than spamming my maul/swipe buttons >:-|
- March 9, 2009 at 10:28 AM
- Kalon said...
Hey all -
Shamad, it ends up mitigating a fairly small amount. This isn't that surprising. Others did some testing (notably Fasc on the main forums) and it does about what you'd expect; 50%-60% of the overall attacks were mitigated, doesn't reduce a ton on really heavy hits.
It's pretty nice on heroics though.
Karthis, that's my goal as well. And it's...difficult, to say the least. The most promising stuff I've seen is on EJ, where they simply use a simulator and run it a lot of times, and see what effect stats have on overall damage. The rough findings have AP valued at anywhere from 20 AP=1 agi to 75 AP = 1 agi depending on how hard the mobs hit (20 AP is weaker, 75 stronger). I suspect that it'll scale well with multiple mobs, so that against multiple mobs you'll get closer to about 10 AP to 1 agi. But I also expect it to be quite poor. Crit rating barely scales at all in this setting.
Peter and Phil - that's my big concern. I was fine with SD and fine with the armor nerf, and I'll deal with the stam nerf. But I don't want a new ability that doesn't work some of the time. That's very, very frustrating.
Copey - see above. Also, 40 strength is still going to be better than 80 AP food, but yeah - 40 agi is where it's at. 1% dodge pre-DR is still far better than 20 absorption of attacks 25% of the time.
Olvar - grats on being the hero bear. Quite frankly, if I were a raid leader I'd never let a druid tank right now if it were a choice between them and another tank and I wanted to bring both them and a tank, and assuming they were reasonably skilled. Paladin and warrior DPS is so poor when not tanking, and druids simply don't bring anything to the table.
Yakari - there's no condition to keep the shield up. It goes up on a crit (barring bugs) and goes down on being hit. It's that simple.
Mekias - savage defense does not work with cat in any way. It's strictly bear-only.
Phil2 - I'll try that tonight, but I would presume so. Critters will provide rage and shields! Poor rats.
Ackward and Mitch - Armor pen appears to be very, very good for cats now. Partially this is because of the nerf to boss armor. Partially this is because sunder armor is being changed to a percentage reduction. Partially it's the extra 25%. All of that adds up to a fairly significant boost to overall damage. I've seen it as the second best stat behind agi to stack for cats. Heck, I've seen it as the best stat. Don't discount it yet.
- March 9, 2009 at 10:40 AM
re stamina nerf to anon: its more the idea of nerfs that ppl hate, rather than the actual change itself. Given that noone I know has raided in the PTR with the reduced stamina + SD, and been able to post to Blizzard: hey, bears fail as tanks now, plz buff our stamina... its all pure whinage. Yes, I'm very happy, because I was overpowered with my stamina, and I was a better choice for progression than warriors & pallies. When we learned Maly, they would get 1-shot, whereas I survived. No doubt the healers were at fault or learning, but thats the power of effective health for you.
Kal, why would you not bring bears to a raid? What if your bear was your number 1 tank and GM/officer :P ? You gonna just sit toons because of perceived changes to stats in ptr, or greater OT/dps utility? According to some restos, they should all be sat too. Oh and dont forget about DKs: tanking is now impossible as a DK, and no fun either.
Seriously, surely keeping your players happy is more important than an extra bit of dps. Duel specs are just around the corner: now there's no reason prot warriors cant go dps either. Share the OT love, thats what I say. If I was in a guild where I was "sat" because of imagined inadequacies, I'd move guilds.
- March 9, 2009 at 11:24 AM
- Shamad said...
Suppose that's in line with what I expected, basicly SD is just something for making us better casual tanks, and serves as an excuse to nerf us for progression tanking. Druids getting tankingspots in progressionraids will depend fully on how the DK nerfs pan out, but I'd guess at most we're looking at getting to tank any hard/slow physical fight to begin with, but being replaced by DK's as ulduar gear means parry+dodge allows them to bypass us in avoidance again by a country mile.
- March 9, 2009 at 11:34 AM
- Shamad said...
Your stance is clearly that of a casual raider. Being myself in a guild where we actively want to work towards being a competitive progression guild(ranked 3rd on one of the most competitive servers in the EU), we've been discussing benching bear tanks for a while now. I would never advocate that in a casual guild, but for guilds that want to do hard modes and such, I'd say think long and hard before you use a bear tank for any particular encounter.
On the other hand, I see no reason at this time to now let feral cats in the raid with a strong bear offspec. But they would not be my first or second choice for OT, most likely only going bear for fights requiring more than 3 tanks.
ps. Resto Druids are not quite so broken as some think, although manaregen will need some heavy fixing as it looks right now, guildm8 has said his manaregen is actually below old T5 levels on the PTR...
- March 9, 2009 at 11:41 AM
- Shamad said...
*no reason not to let feral cats in the raid
Pesky typo :/
- March 9, 2009 at 11:43 AM
- Kalon said...
Peter, if they're the #1 tank and the GM, that's great. That's probably why they'd come. But if I were that GM, I'd plan on working on my DPS spec and making sure the other tanks got prio on any shared loot.
Like I said, if it's a choice between a druid tanking and a warrior/paladin/DK tanking, I'll likely pick the other ones and bring the feral as DPS. They're more likely to have a better set of gear that they can use for DPS at this point, they're getting buffed for it and there's nothing that they bring as tanks that's all that unique compared to a warrior or paladin.
- March 9, 2009 at 11:47 AM
Just so you know Shamad - since you're patronizing me anyway... I'm not a casual guild, I'm in a very hardcore guild, and I took a quick look at your own... hahaha I'd say we beat you, judging by achievements, and dates obtained.
This proves your can be a highly ranked guild and still use unfair, anti-social ideas about how you run your guild (imo of course) Justifying those descisions with concepts of "hardcore progression" means nothing and proves nothing, when other guilds with entirely different management policies are doing better than you. Dont assume you speak for everyone because you do not. It is after all a video game, and for many of us, myself included, hard modes are ridiculously easy. Why? Because it's a video game. I think you take too much of the wrong sort of pride in your video game achievements.
- March 9, 2009 at 1:12 PM
- Kalon said...
Shamad, he's got a point. Please don't assume something about someone just because of their reasoning. Plenty of successful progression-minded people have not min-maxxed insanely to get things down.
And Peter - I agree, I'd totally bring ferals to OT. They're great at that role right now, better than any other class. I guess it bothers me that I see myself falling into one of two roles: either I tank on some gimmick fight because I have huge health that no other tank can match, or I DPS because the other tanks suck at it. That's disappointing to me personally. But I'm in a pretty shitty mood about WoW right now anyway, so I should likely stick to more math-oriented things.
- March 9, 2009 at 1:30 PM
- Shamad said...
Sorry if I made an incorrect assumption about you then Peter, and I'm not saying that on current content ferals are not good, but that for ulduar hard modes I don't personally see ferals as being a optimal choice for most situations.
I'll also agree that the only hard modes that really count at this time are sarth3d on 25man and 10man. You may argue Immortal is also important but it's quite a bit about RNG too.
As far as my own guild goes, I expect us to be a lot faster in Ulduar, we had about a weeks loss of raiding time since key people were away for the first week of WotLK, so they got going leveling a good bit later than others and also meant we started 25mans about a week late. For Ulduar we've strengthened our ranks and ironed out the kinks we've had(after all, we were formed for WotLK, so this has still been a bit of an trial-run), and I personally think we're looking very strong for the next content patch.
- March 9, 2009 at 3:08 PM
"Absorbs physical damage equal to..."
I thought this was going to be of assistance against casters. I guess not if it's physical only.
- March 9, 2009 at 11:29 PM
- Yakari said...
Thanks for your answer Kalon.
- March 10, 2009 at 3:07 AM
Yeah, not having this shield work against magic is like a kick in the nuts. We were already the worst against casters and with the stam nerf, it's now not even close. But I could always deal with this deficiency if it could mean some benefit against melee. But, of course, we're being nerfed there too. This shield isn't going to make up for 6-7k armor.
Don't get me wrong, our health and armor were too high. Our scaling on those two were going to cause problems in the future. But the reason why we had those 2 things was due to our lack of avoidance, poor magic defense, and no shield block. We get a simulated shield in 3.1 but still have poor avoidance and magic protection.
I've pretty much made the decision to be a cat in the future. There's no way I would take a bear as MT for a hard-mode Ulduar run. The healers could probably keep him up by why tax them more than necessary.
- March 10, 2009 at 5:34 AM
Kalon is sad to see you agree with Peter. For us to scale the high stamina we need to sacrifice a lot of dodge, AP and Crt. So you guys saying SD is better or equal to parry and block? A bubble that will only work if you crit. a bubble that is useless if you are tanking multiple mobs also a bubble that is useless for PVP. I am not saying druids are not going to be able to tank with the stamina and armor nerf but why you are going to bring a druid to tank on a progression raid when the other 3 classes have better cooldowns and better avoidance? High armor and high HP was a druid tank characteristic. Be honest with your self Peter when yo are n a hardcore progression guild what you bring to the raid is the best of the best since you want to progress and with this nerf druids are the last option for tanking right now on a progression raid. And right now SD is not even working properly.
- March 10, 2009 at 5:49 AM
- Mitch said...
Hey Kalon, I think Ackward was talking about the 25% scaling of Savage Defense. It just doesn't seem like it will scale well. We may get another 30 AP on an item, but that only possibly reduces damage by 7.5 on an attack. And for a fight light tanking Sarth with 3D? I don't plan on doing it after the patch. 10% less stam, the bubble doing absolutely nothing for me (because it doesn't work for the breaths and I stop meleeing so I don't get parry gibbed anyhow), and a boatload less armor? Screw that.
My only point is I don't care where bears are headed at the moment and I hate the way they've marginalized tanking in general. That's why I'm happy I'm used more for DPS because I find it more fun and challenging anyhow.
Also, thanks for the tips, now Alliance first 'of the Nightfall' on my server =D
- March 10, 2009 at 6:10 AM
- Taran said...
I understand (somewhat) why they made these changes, but they're going to be painful. I'm in a very small, casual guild and I'm one of two tanks. Period. That's all we got - me and a protadin.
We've mastered some of the smaller raids (OS and VoA, of course, but we have done OS with any drakes up yet) and are working are way through Naxx (just about halfway, DPS is coming along slowly). This is going to be a tough blow to our progression since we don't even have the option to sub in a warrior to take over the tanking duties.
Now that I'm done whining, a quick question: it seems as if agility/stamina is still the way to go if we're stacking stats. However, do these changes alter the marginal importance of hit rating or expertise? Is there a minimum level of either of those stats I should be aiming for, and do these new abilities change that at all? Thanks for the posts, Kalon.
- March 10, 2009 at 12:22 PM
The problem is SD as Kalon and others have seen in testing is that it's subject to latency. It seems that there is simply too much going on to effectively implement SD. The server code needs to detect whether a Crit occurred. Then it needs to calculate the amount of the shied and proc it to absorb that next attack. Given the speed at which most raid bosses hit, I don't see how the server can keep up with all the incoming hits and outgoing crits, to keep the shield working as intended. The only way I see it working right now is to allow it to stack, effectively leaving it up mostly all the time. This problem is directly related to trying to make a tanking spec fit into DPS gear. It's a square peg in a round hole that will never really fit right no matter what changes they make. I'm the raid leader of my guild, and as Kalon has said I see no reason to bring a Bear tank to any raid, they simply bring more raid viability as cat DPS. It's a lot easier to innervate and battle res when there isn't a boss smacking on you. I'm going to ask my ferals' to put 3 points in survival of the fittest just incase there is some add trash on a boss fight I need them to OT, and have them put the rest of their talent points in cat.
- March 10, 2009 at 1:05 PM
All your ferals should have 3 points in SoF wether they are bear or cats.
- March 11, 2009 at 4:21 AM
- ciopo said...
it's not on savage defense itself, but i HAVE to point it out, since i don't know how otherwise contact you.
crushing blow aren't tied to defense skill
i was too thinking the level+4 actually means weapon skill of 20points above of our defense skill.
this is not the case, i have hard proof.
i got crushed with my level 77 death knight alt tank from a level 81 bosses( hall of lightning, first bosses), this with 530defense skill.
this is most likely a GOOD thing, since thorim will NOT have a miss/dodge/crush attack pattern on us under unbalancing strike
- March 12, 2009 at 11:58 AM
- Kalon said...
Anon -
So you guys saying SD is better or equal to parry and block? A bubble that will only work if you crit. a bubble that is useless if you are tanking multiple mobs also a bubble that is useless for PVP.
I don't think that SD is as good as block. It's certainly better than parry, given that druids have almost no defense and no parry currently, and the items with parry are pretty universally bad compared to the other gear even if they did get them. From what I've seen, SD is equivalent roughly to having about 25% block with 1500 block value. That makes it worse than paladins (who block significantly more) and warriors (who block significantly for more). But it's still better on multimob encounters than what we have now.
I am not saying druids are not going to be able to tank with the stamina and armor nerf but why you are going to bring a druid to tank on a progression raid when the other 3 classes have better cooldowns and better avoidance?
Presumably you'd bring them when you want higher armor (which bears still have) and higher HP.
Mitch - yeah, AP doesn't scale significantly even with the change to SD. It's still not that big a deal. It's just slightly less worthless than it was before.
Taran -
Now that I'm done whining, a quick question: it seems as if agility/stamina is still the way to go if we're stacking stats. However, do these changes alter the marginal importance of hit rating or expertise? Is there a minimum level of either of those stats I should be aiming for, and do these new abilities change that at all? Thanks for the posts, Kalon.
Hit and expertise will both increase slightly in value; each 1% hit/expertise will increase your relative value of crits by 1% * your crit rate. That's still not a lot, but at least it's something. Both hit and crit rate are better for overall mitigation than AP is, especially in the case of single-target tanking. I'll need to do some more simulation work to determine exactly how much this helps though, and what is exactly the most valuable.
Ciopo - crushing blows are tied directly to the difference between the weapon skill of the attacker and the BASE defense of the defender. Added defense does nothing for crushing blows; just base values that are based on level. And they've made it so that the difference is no longer 15 points, it's 20 - which coincides with a 4 level difference in most cases. You can also be crushed when someone reduces your base defense down significantly; Amanitar in OK will do so occasionally, and will crush you.
- March 12, 2009 at 12:12 PM
- ciopo said...
.. isn't it strange, to say so?
if crushing is indeed tied to base defense skill, it should work both way, either if i have *increased* or *decreased* defense skill via gear/outside buff/debuff?.
I mean, it's either on the base or the modified value, if it's "lowest one between base and actual" feel.. awckard to say the least.
taking amanitar as example... given i had *not* checked extensively on it, but if crushing is indeed tied to defense skill, with an increased change per difference( ..2% each defense point, something along these line??)it would still be below crit in the attack table, -500defense skill equal to 20% crit, assuming about 40% avoidance, this would be 40% crush change more-or-less( IF it's correct that crush isn't fixed but the less the defense the higher the change),whinch is quite a noticeable amount
- March 12, 2009 at 12:28 PM
Surprised to see the argument still raging! All in good fun, I hope. I still dont see what the fuss is all about - "progresssion" guilds not taking druids. Lets just get our facts sorted; for progression guilds, the entirety of wrath has been a walk in the park. Hell, I'm not sure my health ever dropped below 30% - ever - when we were *learning* the fights. So that extra 30% health was unnecessary, by definition, on all but sarth+3. The only time I've been 1-shotted as a tank due to tank weaknesses (not healer/dps error) was during sarth+3... and yes, maybe a Dk would have been better on our progresion nights but so the hell what? We wiped an extra 20 times in total because druids are a bit underpowered compared to DKs????? Who cares? The bottom line is that we dont use our DK tank for Sarth because he's not as reliable. So go ahead, sit all your druids. Its a joke, because the view comes from the assuption that every player is operating at absolute max perfection, and the theorycraft differences are going to hold you back. But believe me, if your guild operates at that level of perfection, you're going to be 1-shotting every hard mode Ulduar boss anyway no matter what tank you take, and going back next week to make novelty videos. The week after, you'll be selling runs to your server. You can count the number of such guilds and players on one hand.
- March 12, 2009 at 4:15 PM
- ciopo said...
did some testing on amanitar earlier.
did not remove mini, turned my back to the boss to remove the avoidance factor.
stayed here 3 minutes( i found there was no point to stay here any further)
the incoming attack fitte in a miss/crush/crit pattern, percentaces on such a small pool was about 3%/86%/11%.
i conclude that it's indeed on base defense, applying any "minus defense", but not apply "plus defense" if it puts us above base defense.
to test: our defense skill below (our level maximum-5), but wearing defense gear enough to go over it: crushed/notcrushed by mob 3 level above us.
sincerely, what a mess, what kind of sense have it that debuff apply but buff don't? >_>
- March 12, 2009 at 4:19 PM
- Shamad said...
I don't know about you, but my guild doesn't tend to recruit wildly disparaging levels of players. Each of our tanks are expected to perform at about the same level, which means the class differences is the main issue for us when deciding on what player to use. If you fail to live up to the common level of play, you won't last very long in the guild.
- March 13, 2009 at 12:14 AM
Crit % shouldn't be affected by hit. I think the same thing is true for expertise too but I'm not sure when a creature's dodge or parry calculation is performed.
If you have a 50% chance to hit and have a 45% crit chance, you'll crit 45%, have regular hits 5% and miss the remaining 50%. With 40% more hit, you'll still crit 45% of the time.
- March 13, 2009 at 5:43 AM
- Kalon said...
Mekias - that's true for normal (white) attacks. For all specials it's commonly understood after fairly rigorous testing that they use a two-roll system for determining crits - so you first check for a hit, then for a crit. This is (for example) how you can get a blocked special attack which crits (which have been observed). That would be impossible in the 1-roll system.
And since yellow attacks are the bread and butter of a bear's crits, hit and expertise tend to be more important.
It's not clear to me whether maul is a 1-roll or 2-roll system. My suspicion is that it's a 1-roll, but I've not done extensive analysis on it.
- March 13, 2009 at 9:23 AM
- ciopo said...
i can comment on maul, i had occurrence of partially blocked maul, so i'ts either ona 2roll unless it have a class of itself ("on next hit" after all are a mixture of white damage/special attack)
- March 13, 2009 at 10:27 AM
- Shamad said...
There was a comment from GC recently about on-next-hit actions where he stated they can proc effects such as the +5 rage from a crit, which would indicate that the game treats them much like white attacks, but that's just speculation.
- March 13, 2009 at 2:07 PM
- Kalon said...
Shamad - that's true, but it's true for white attacks as well. So it's not really conclusive.
Basically, you'd have to do a very weird test where you took off all your bear gear and fought a paladin with holy shield up. You should either get maul crits that were blocked or never see one.
- March 16, 2009 at 7:40 AM
Little hesitant to ask this what with the negative attitude I'm seeing here to bears as main tanks.
But I am main tank and have either a warrior or death knight as off tank. What happens in a situation where I switch to off tank for Patchwerk to take the hateful strikes. I find I have to be very careful not to exceed the other tank's threat. I usually spend a lot of time on just auto attack white hits and casting fff and demoralizing roar, then throw in a few lacerates and when I see the threat gap wide enough I throw out some mauls and mangles till I've closed the gap then go back to white hits for a bit.
So would there be enough crits to get the savage defense protection? How does this affect a bear's ability to be the soaker in this type of fight?
- March 17, 2009 at 11:19 AM
- Kalon said...
Anon - hopefully we're not too hostile towards druids. :)
For something like Patch where it's aggro-sensitive, I'd probably just lacerate. A lacerate attack will still crit and trigger a SD proc, and it doesn't do that much threat. Between that and maul/white hits you should be okay for staying below threat okay.
- March 17, 2009 at 3:16 PM


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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The pastor selected to deliver the benediction at President Barack Obama's inauguration withdrew from the ceremony on Thursday after being attacked for making anti-gay comments.
Rev. Louie Giglio, an Atlanta minister, called homosexuality a sin in a mid-1990s sermon and warned against the gay rights movement, the liberal website ThinkProgress reported on Wednesday.
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Obama faced similar criticism for asking Rev. Rick Warren, a leading evangelical preacher and opponent of same-sex marriage, to deliver the invocation at the 2009 inauguration.
Gay activists have welcomed Obama's decision to include Richard Blanco, an openly gay writer, to be the 2013 inaugural poet.
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Imagine accomplishing every academic and athletic goal you had as a collegiate freshman and not finding happiness. Imagine finding that happiness in the Fellowship of Christian Athletes, a group that elevates your achievements far beyond what you ever dreamed possible. Take that perfect storm and get your Bachelor's degree when you're 20 years old and then amp it up another notch for a history-making senior season that puts you: 1) among the top 11 best female tennis players in the NCAA; 2) positions you and your playing partner as one of the top three doubles teams in the country; and 3) connects the Husker team you joined when you were 16 years old to tennis history – the school's first-ever Sweet 16 NCAA appearance.
Imagine experiencing those magic moments that create a resume so robust you become the 2013 Nebraska Female Student-Athlete of the Year on a Sunday night in mid-April and then share the Huskers' 2013 Heart & Soul Award, the highest honor in NU's Life Skills program, the next morning. Since you and your Big Ten Championship teammates are held up in a Chicago airport returning from a conference match at Michigan State, your mother accepts both honors in your absence. The Mary Weatherholt Story is a unique one, and the ultimate punch line hasn't even surfaced.
Meet Mary's mom, Nancy Weatherholt, who graciously accepted both of Mary's high honors on her daughter's behalf. An associate accounting professor at the Henry W. Bloch School of Management at the University of Missouri-Kansas City (UMKC), Nancy holds a Ph.D. from the University of Kansas. Meet Reynold Simpson, her husband and Mary's father, who is associate professor of music theory and director of the Center for Computer Assisted Instruction in Music at UMKC. Dr. Simpson is a graduate of The Peabody Conservatory of the Johns Hopkins University, the Juilliard School, and Princeton University.
The Question: What's Your Ultimate Goal?
Since Nebraska Athletics is built on the triple goals of Success in Academics, Success in Athletics and Success in Life, the first question I ask Mary Weatherholt in a sit-down interview in a Student-Life Complex conference room is what she considers to be her ultimate goal in life after sweeping Nebraska's top honors. "The ultimate goal?" she asked. "Yes," I said. "The ultimate goal to succeed in life."
As fast as she can return an explosive backhand, Weatherholt's answer is as sincere as it is quick. "Honestly," she said, "at some point, later in life, my ultimate goal is to be a stay-at-home mom, so I can raise my kids and glorify God."
My immediate reaction was thanking Mary for saying something so unexpectedly bold and delivering it with such confidence. "Stay-at-home moms have the hardest jobs in the world," she said, bridging immediately to why she respects and admires every mom who takes on that role. "It's something you can really invest in ... sometimes, though, the outside world gives it a bad rap, but I can vouch for how important that role is. For the last four months, I was a nanny for my best friend's son. I know."
Nanny Learned to Support Her Own Answer
Mary Weatherholt a nanny? Is this the same Mary who teams with fellow senior Patricia Veresova as one of the NCAA's top three doubles teams? The same Mary who had the nation's No. 7-ranked women's singles player from North Carolina down in the third set last week when play ended?
"I spent six hours a day, five days a week as a nanny since the first of the year," Weatherholt said, explaining how she was in charge of Liam, her godson and the son of Will Henry and wife Jennifer (Mary's best friend). From 6:30 every morning until 30 minutes into the noon hour, "It worked out really well," Weatherholt said. "Jen had someone she could trust with Liam, and now she's been able to transition from full-time at the office to part-time at home."
"I wouldn't have gone to work if Mary had not been there to help me get through what I needed to get through," Jennifer said. "She was wonderful." Mary's reply: "I wouldn't have an ultimate goal if I didn't have the experience I had. It all went so fast. I didn't know how tough something like that was until trying it. I love that little baby so much, but it's still not the kind of love a mom can give. I gained so much respect for mothers and others who take care of children. I remember telling my mother that I couldn't wait for Liam to crawl so I could just sit down by myself for a minute."
Mary's Mom Made Major Sacrifices Herself
She told her mom that, knowing she had no such luxury of staying home with her. "She was a single mom and working full-time to get tenured," Mary said. "She didn't meet my dad until I was four years old. He's not my biological dad, but he's my dad and took over full parental rights when I was 6 or 7."
Mary remembers her dad giving her the choice to pick her last name at age 7. "Well, my name is Mary Weatherholt," she said then. "That's my mom's maiden name, and I'm really proud of it." So is her mom, who decided to keep the Weatherholt name for consistency. "In our family, the guys are the Simpsons and the girls are the Weatherholts, but we're all one family," Mary said, adding that after she finishes her college tennis career, she wants to take a couple months off, so she can go home and spend meaningful time with her two younger brothers, Rob Simpson and Will Simpson, who will be a senior and a freshman, respectively, at Shawnee Mission East High School in Overland Park, Kan.
Mary received her Bachelor's degree a year ago at age 20 and still carries a 3.873 GPA in Business Administration after one year of graduate work. She insists that her younger brothers are smarter than she is. "I struggled whether to go to grad school," she said. "Finally, I just took 12 hours. My parents always wanted me to go to grad school. If I would have done grad school this year, it would have only been because everyone wanted me to do it. That's not how I can make decisions. I just felt that wasn't the direction God was leading me, so I'm a non-degree seeking graduate student who wanted to take a graphics class just for fun, so I did. I also just took two nutrition classes – the Science of Food and Nutrition 100 – and that ended up being a good way for me to help my friend out and still take classes I thought would be useful."
Roy Helu Jr., Wife Dani Christian Role Models
Make no mistake. Mary Weatherholt is not sloughing off. She's just taking a short sabbatical from the academic/athletic pressure-cooker. "I've always been appreciative of meeting my best friend in a Bible study and becoming a Christian at Nebraska," she said. "I remember meeting student-athletes like Roy Helu Jr. and seeing how their faith related to how they compete. I came to know Christ at the end of my freshman year, and that experience helped me realize what things really mattered to me and what I might be called to do in life.
"My ideas really started to blend over the last couple years. What I was able to do helping out a friend just reinforced everything I was thinking," Weatherholt said. "I'm really sad when anyone looks down on a stay-at-home mom. It was the first time I took care of a baby, and I was so in awe of how they're formed and how natural it is to care for one."
Weatherholt laughs about the dichotomy of being a tennis star and a nanny in the same week. "We'd have a huge win on a Sunday in the Big Ten and then the next morning I was taking care of a big poop explosion," she said. "The whole experience was so humbling, and it just balanced out everything I was thinking."
Big Stuff, Little Stuff the Same in God's Eyes
The combined experiences make a song ring inside Weatherholt's head. "There's a song that says no matter what you do, do for the glory of the One who made you because God sees little stuff, big stuff and in between stuff all the same," she said. "I think that song helped point me in the right direction. Whether I'm helping my teammates battle or come together or helping my best friend out as a nanny, God sees it all the same. It's so cool when you look at the world that way. Liam had every bit as much of my attention as my toughest opponent. One's not better or worse than the other. Both are very important in God's eyes."
When Weatherholt saw Helu deal with the notoriety of breaking Nebraska's single-game rushing record against Missouri and handle the adversity of an injury or a fumble, she could view athletics beyond mere wins and losses. She could view it in terms of giving your level best every time you step on the court and then accepting the result.
"Roy's wife (Dani) became a close friend, too," Weatherholt said. "It's so cool when athletes can help other athletes with their faith and how to live it. Roy's an amazing man; Dani's an amazing woman; and the support here for Christian athletes is the most amazing thing of all. Bible study became the answer for what I was missing, even though I was succeeding in ways that everyone seemed to recognize." At this juncture in a sparkling career, Weatherholt is not taking her foot off the accelerator. She's just processing and analyzing whether to rethink grad school, become a professional tennis player or follow her precious family time with a job.
Weatherholt Loves Lincoln, Her First Choice
"I love Lincoln," she said. "Honestly, Lincoln is my first choice to live. I really want to go back to Kansas City and see my family, but if there's a chance to stay in Lincoln, I'd probably take it. I'm not worrying about anything. I'm just praying for God to lead me after this season ends. I just don't see tennis as my ultimate goal. It's a tough sport to get into and a tough lifestyle once you make it. I've thought about coaching and haven't ruled that out. Maybe that's a possibility and maybe it isn't."
Whatever Weatherholt chooses to do, she will be successful, according to two associate athletic directors who worked closely with her at Nebraska – Dennis Leblanc in Academics and Keith Zimmer in Life Skills. "In the month before the faculty voted on the Student-Athlete of the Year, we all wondered who it might be," Leblanc said. "Then, when you go through the process, you hear people say, 'Why Mary Weatherholt, of course. Who else would it be?' Tucked away underneath all of our finalists like Mary and Gina Mancuso and others are shining stars who don't get all the headlines, but have had unbelievable careers, academically and athletically, and some you just don't know until it gets to the very end."
Zimmer mentioned how countless college graduates can't wait to start climbing the corporate ladder "to get what they think is true success and a career with a big income that can bring all the material things that go with it," he said. "Mary Weatherholt is none of that. She's made a difference in her life and can't wait to make a difference in other people's lives. It doesn't surprise me that her ultimate goal is to be the best mother she can be and to stay at home doing it. That really is the toughest job in the world. Some people might be disappointed to hear that's her loftiest goal, but what could be a better goal? It just shows me that she gets what life is all about."
Coach's Kid Gave Mary Important Training Time
Hayden Perez is coaching Mary this week at the NCAA Championships in Urbana, Illinois, where the Husker senior will play the same UNLV player she defeated in Lincoln's NCAA Regional final. The match begins at 10:30 a.m. CT Wednesday. Perez, Nebraska's assistant tennis coach, is not surprised when he learns about Mary's ultimate goal. "She got a little practice for Liam when she would come over and babysit for our oldest son, Tristen, who's 4½ now," Perez said. "Because Mary's been around five years, those two have a special relationship. He loves Mary and wants to call and Skype with her as often as possible. Mary's great with kids of all ages, and she's going to be a great mom one day when the time's right. I have no doubt about that."
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Chocolate Éclairs by Pierre Hermé was the great challenge Meeta and Tony chose for us. Thank you both! The recipe came from Chocolate Desserts by Pierre Hermé written by Dorie Greenspan. As soon as I read the 2 words: Hermé and chocolate, I knew it was going to be good!
I love choux pastry, I specially like doing it by hand and felling the dough texture changing. This recipe called for éclairs (thin long pieces of choux) filled with dark chocolate pastry cream and glazed with a dark chocolate glaze. We could add other flavours as long as we kept one of the elements chocolatey!
Why add other flavours if we have chocolate, the greatest of all flavours? I've used only chocolate (dark & white) and created 4 different types of éclairs, in honor of my 4th month as a Daring Baker!
- White on white
- Black on Black
- White on black
- Black on white
- ½ cup (125g) whole milk
- ½ cup (125g) water
- 1 stick (4 ounces; 115g) unsalted butter, cut into 8 pieces
- ¼ teaspoon sugar
- ¼ teaspoon salt
- 1 cup (140g) all-purpose flour
- 5 large eggs, at room temperature
In a heavy bottomed medium saucepan, bring the milk, water, butter, sugar and salt to the boil. Once the mixture is at a rolling boil, add all of the flour at once, reduce the heat to medium and start to stir the mixture vigorously with a wooden spoon. The dough comes together very quickly. Do not worry if a slight crust forms at the bottom of the pan, it's supposed to. You need to carry on stirring for a further 2-3 minutes to dry the dough. After this time the doughwill be very soft and smooth. Transfer the dough into a bowl. Add the eggs one at a time, beating with a wooden spoon after each egg has been added to incorporate it into the dough.You will notice that after you have added the first egg, the dough will separate, once again do not worry. As you keep working the dough, it will come back all together again by the time you have added the third egg. In the end the dough should be thick and shiny and when lifted it should fall back into the bowl in a ribbon. Once the dough is made you need to shape it immediately. Simply pipe the dough onto parchment-lined bakingsheets using a pastry bag with a wide round tip.
Preheat your oven to 375 degrees F (190 degrees C). Divide the oven into thirds by positioning the racks in the upper and lower half of the oven. Line two baking sheets with waxed or parchment paper. Fill a large pastry bag fitted with a 2/3 (2cm) plain tip nozzle with the warm cream puff dough.Pipe the dough onto the baking sheets in long, 4 to 41/2 inches (about 11 cm) chubby fingers. Leave about 2 inches (5 cm) space in between each dough strip to allow them room to puff. The dough should give you enough to pipe 20-24 éclairs. Slide both the baking sheets into the oven and bake for 7 minutes. The original recipe says to put a wooden spoon on the door to keep it from closing, but I didn't do that, at this point I just lowered the temperature to 350ºF (180ºC). The total baking time should be approximately 20 minutes.
- 2 cups (500g) whole milk
- 4 large egg yolks
- 6 tbsp (75g) sugar
- 3 tablespoons cornstarch, sifted
- 7 oz (200g) chocolate melted (3.5 oz/100 gr Dark + 3.5 oz/100 gr White)
- 2½ tbsp (1¼ oz, 40g) unsalted butter, at room temperature, divided in 2
In a small saucepan, bring the milk to a boil. In the meantime, combine the yolks, sugar and cornstarch together and whisk in a heavy‐bottomed saucepan. Once the milk has reached a boil, temper the yolks by whisking a couple spoonfuls of the hot milk into the yolk mixture. Continue whisking and slowly pour the rest of the milk into the tempered yolk mixture. Strain the mixture back into the saucepan to remove any egg that may have scrambled. Place the pan over medium heat and whisk vigorously (without stop) until the mixture returns to a boil. Keep whisking vigorously for 1 to 2 more minutes (still over medium heat). Divide mixture in 2 bowls and stir in the melted chocolates to each half. Set the bowls in an ice‐water bath to stop the cooking process. Make sure to continue stirring the mixtures at this point so that it remains smooth. Once the creams have reached a temperature of 140 F remove from the ice‐water bath and stir in the butter in three or four installments to each part. Return the creams to the ice‐water bath to continue cooling, stirring occasionally, until it has completely cooled. In order to avoid a skin forming on the pastry creams, cover with plastic wrap pressed onto the surface if not using imediatly.
- 1/3 cup (80g) heavy cream, divided in
- 3½ oz (100g) chocolate, finely chopped (1.8 oz/50 gr each of dark and white
- 4 tsp (20 g) unsalted butter, cut into 4 pieces, at room temperature, divided in
- 7 tbsp (110 g) Chocolate Sauce (recipe below), warm or at room temperature, divided in 2
Do each glaze separately. In a small saucepan, bring the heavy cream to a boil. Remove from the heat and slowly begin to add the chocolate, stirring with a wooden spoon or spatula. Stirring gently, stir in the butter, piece by piece followed by the chocolate sauce. It is best to glaze the eclairs after the glaze is made.
- 4½ oz (130 g) chocolate, finely chopped (2.3 oz/65 gr of each dark and white)
- 1 cup (250 g) water, divided in 2
- ½ cup (125 g) heavy cream, divided in 2
- 2 tbsp sugar (35 g) sugar (just for the dark chocolate one)
Do each one separated. Place all the ingredients (no sugar on the white chocolate one) into a heavy‐bottomed saucepan and bring to a boil, making sure to stir constantly. Then reduce the heat to low and continue stirring with a wooden spoon until the sauce thickens. It may take 10‐15 minutes for the sauce to thicken, but you will know when it is done when it coats the back of your spoon.
Original recipe sayed to slice the éclairs horizontally, using a serrated knife, but I used a pastry bag with a long tip to fill the éclairs. I filled half of them with the dark chocolate pastry cream and the other half with the white chocolate pastry cream. If you have chilled your chocolate glaze, reheat by placing it in a bowl over simmering water, stirring it gently with a wooden spoon. I then glazed half of each type of éclairs with the 2 different glazes, creating the 4 types. The éclairs should be served as soon as they have been filled.
They were delicious! All of them! I though the all white would be too sweet and the all dark too heavy, but no! They were both really good! My favourite was the Dark on white, the one filled with white pastry cream and glazed in dark. Sorry Pierre, but that was the best!
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Jalen Cleaning Services is a family business dedicated to our clients by providing professional and highly standard cleaning services in Gasgow and beyond. We specialise in office cleaning services, oven cleaning, carpet cleaning, home cleaning and end of tenancy. Jalen Cleaning services will be leading provider of cleaning services that strive to build long term relationship with our clients. We are reliable, dedicated and respectful continuing to do better and satisfy our clients all the time.
Dolly Char Motherwell: Domestic Cleaners
Waste carriers & gardening services
we provide gardening / clearances, house clearances , waste management, handyman services, man with a van, aerial and satellite services ,painting and decorating & cleaning services
Glasgow Handyman Services
A tidy, reliable and professional worker who completes all work to a high finish and will listen to your requirements. Fully equipped to tackle any job in all weather, No job is too small ! We are prepared to deal with the minor repairs that most other companies aren't or if they are, charge way too much. Whatever the job, we can help. A wide range of jobs internally and externally undertaken. Contact us on 01413901846 or 07743423890
Keys For All
Keys For All is a management company that specialises in short term letting as well as long term letting and is the only car management company in the UK. We aim to help make your life easier. We generate revenue from your unused assets; saving you time and creating an extra source of income for you. We are accredited by the DPS and CPD which proves our compliance as well as our credibility. The Company has upheld its roots in this specialist field and has excellent working relations with its clients. Keys For All provides the following services: • Letting Services (including short term and long term). • Management Services (including maintenance and tenant management). • Car Management (including renting and selling). • Car Maintenance (including inspection and repairs). • Charity (for every property/car that is managed an orphan in a developing country is sponsored).
Advanced Cleaning and Plumbing Services
For cleaning, home help and housekeeping duties our : Dumfries division of Advanced Cleaning providing Professional domestic and commercial cleaning and house keeping services. Fully insured .with full day cleaning services from £10 per hour and oven cleaning starting from £50 for a single oven to £70 for a double oven. Full Professional end of tenancy cleaning starting from : £120: Call us on : 07471197396 for details. Forget the rest - call the best! With over 35 years experience, family run business Advanced Plumbing and Heating Services offers affordable plumbing and heating repairs, new boiler installations, full heating systems, full bathroom installations and designs at fixed prices. With A rated boilers starting from only £1,600 for a budget boiler up to £3,500 and full bathrooms starting from only £3,000 u to £9,000 with high quality products and excellent after sales customer service, covering most areas of Scotland with Northern England and Ireland on request.
Pure Cleaning Team
Pure Cleaning team is a cleaning company based in Glasgow and caters for home cleaning estate and letting agency's, shops, offices, factories and much more please visit our website and take a look around to help you make a decision on choosing us.
EcoPro Cleaning Services
At EcoPro we offer a wide range of cleaning services. Our aim is to offer a first class service at all times. I always aim to use Eco-Friendly, products when cleaning as this is safer for myself, You and your family and friends (also your furry friends) and our environment. It is also a safer alternative for anyone who suffers from skin conditions, irritants or breathing conditions. I am honest, reliable and trustworthy and believe anyone I have worked for/with would agree. Our cleaning services include but are not limited to: One Off, Maintenance, End of Tenancy Cleaning. Carpet and Upholstery Cleaning (Spot & Stain Removal). Leather Cleaning. Our services are offered to both residential and commercial clients.
Master Maid Cleaning
We offer weekly, fortnightly and monthly cleans for an hourly rate of £13 with a minimum of 2 hours per visit. We specialise in deep cleans and end of tenancy cleans. From £110
Extreme pressure clean ltd
Pressure cleaning services all areas, gutter cleaning, graffiti removal chew gum removal and much more.
Pure Cleaning (Scotland) LtdCertificate of Excellence 2015
Professional Cleaning Services in Edinburgh, Glasgow and Across Scotland Pure Cleaning (Scotland) provides professional cleaning services in Edinburgh, Glasgow and across the whole of the Central Belt of Scotland. We aim to deliver high quality cleaning to both commercial and domestic customers. Our customer's satisfaction and loyalty is a result of our attention to detail, our reliability and our affordability.
Emilia Tidy House
House Domestic Cleaning Service: What's included: Kitchen: * Kitchen cupboards fronts - wash * Kitchen worktops * Windows inside * Fridge and Freezer - inside and outside *Cooker and Oven outside - spray and polish * Bins inside and outside * skirting, doors and frames - wash * floor - vacuum and mop Bathrooms: * toilet, basin, bath and shower - wash * Tiles - all the tiles are clean on regular basis * mirrors *windows - inside *bins - inside and outside *door -wash * floor - vacuum and mop * skirting Bedrooms: *general dusting - furniture, ornaments etc. * skirting * doors * windows inside * bed changing - as requested * floor - vacuum / mop Hall: * General dusting * skirting *Doors *floor - vacuum / mop
Cleaning J ST
HI EVERYONE PLS RING TO ME OR TXT TO ME IF INTERESTED THIS WAY IS CHEAPER THAN ADMIN SUGGESTIONS ..... 075 99 66 2007!!!!!! **************************CARPET CLEANING************************ NEW NEW NEW NEW****************************************!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Services By Room All Rooms All areas including ceilings, walls and blinds dusted-on top, front and sides. Hard surface floors swept and damp mopped. All furniture and all miscellaneous items dusted and polished. Waste receptacles emptied and damp wiped. Soil removed from entrance door frames, handles, and glass. Carpets vacuumed. All interior windows cleaned. Kitchen Tables and countertops scrubbed and sanitized. Dishes placed in the dishwasher (if empty). Outside of appliances cleaned (oven, microwave, refrigerator where clear, dishwasher, stovetop, etc.) Countertops and backsplash cleaned. Sinks scrubbed, rinsed and buffed. Small appliances wiped (toaster, blender, microwave, etc.) Floors vacuumed or swept and mopped. Bathroom All surfaces dusted and sanitized, as needed. Toilets, tubs, and showers scrubbed and disinfected. Mirrors cleaned and chrome polished. Floor vacuumed or swept and mopped.
Welcome: DALZIEL CLEANING SERVICES is a long-established and professional company specialising in commercial Office cleaning, Residential cleaning, Industrial cleaning, Bus cleaning, Stadium, Event and common stair cleaning to the highest of standards. Dalziel's cleaners are all fully trained, immaculately turned out in the company uniform, and each of them proudly wears his or her official identification badge. Dalziel are to start an In-house Cleaning Academy. The quality of Dalziel's commercial cleaning services in Glasgow, Edinburgh and Central Scotland ensures the company enjoys the trust of a large number of regular clients. The company also lists many financial, legal, NHS, Bus, Commercial, Residential and Industrial clients among its long-standing customers. At the other end of the scale are offices, small businesses and individual clients who rely on Dalziel Cleaning to have their offices, common stairs or windows cleaned on a daily or weekly basis. The company has a full complimentary workforce of up to 64, and the quality of the service they deliver lies at the heart of the company's commitment to its clients. Dalziel Cleaning Services is about to obtain in full ISO 9001 accreditation for their Quality Management System. We currently run our own world class quality system. Apart from training in cleaning skills, and customer awareness, the company's specialist cleaners all go through rigorous health and safety courses. We have our own dedicated in house full time Health and Safety Manager. They are backed up by modern equipment, including a small but growing fleet of Dalziel Cleaning vans, reach and wash water fed poles, and on occasion 'cherry pickers' to reach otherwise inaccessible windows. Dalziel Cleaning Services is committed to the highest possible standards of environmental performance and will be investing in obtaining ISO14001 accreditation in due course mean while we have the best policies in place within the business. OUR VALUES: PASSION - RESULTS - RESPECT - EXCELLENCE - TEAMWORK - HONEST COMMUNICATION - CLEANLINESS Call Drew: Tel: 07958 327611. Email Drew: email@example.com Just to re-cap: We provide the highest standards of cleaning services to ensure our clients benefit from a superior commerical, industrial or residential environment. Dalziel's highly skilled, professional teams use our eco-friendly, innovative products proven to deliver outstanding results. Our family owned company is committed to cleaning your environment, without damaging it. We do also use the every day run of the mill cleaning products . Services An expansive range of cleaning services for property of all types & sizes. Cleaning Products ALL NATURAL: Non-toxic, non-reative, non-carcongenic & developed with only natural elements. OUR CHEMICALS: A full range of over 22,500 products which cover every sector Janitorial Supplies Team DaLziel also stock an extensive range of products which will always ensure you are fully stocked at all times. Cleaning Machinery Team Dalziel have an extensive range of Machinery which will cover all Cleaning requirements. Clients Financial, commercial, industrial, residential & specialist all welcome! Our operation can cover other areas depending on your requirements. Services Scale may vary between commercial, industrial & residential budgets but our level of dilligence always remains the same. We value each client equally irrespective of requirements & are proud to provide an expansive range of cleaning services for all premises. We offer hourly, monthly & contract terms individually tailored to suit your business. Residential The leading choice due to our unique opportunities available and our success stories to date. We have a wide range of offers here from Silver, Gold to Platinum. Commercial Perfect for all offices, hotel & leisure groups, events & sporting facilities. Industrial Ideal for external & interior deep cleans across all public building requirements. Commercial Cleaning Services Dalziel commercial solutions are ideal for larger premises who require daily cleaning & includes weekly rotation of larger tasks to ensure all areas are managed effectively to the highest standards. Please visit our website: www.dalzielcleaningservices.com Please email Drew: firstname.lastname@example.com Please call Drew: 07958327611 Feedback is always welcome no matter good or bad !
1st Class Cleaners
Domestic and Commercial cleaning company based in Ayrshire.
Capital Cleaning Service
For the last 39 years we have built an excellent reputation for providing a quality service tailored to meet our customer's precise needs. We pride ourselves in the working partnerships that we have achieved and in offering a wide range of services. We aim to present you with a cost effective service solution without compromising the standard of the work carried out. Our staff are fully vetted, trained and uniformed for your complete peace of mind. At CCS we recognize that a clean office and building makes for a safer and healthier environment and this has proved to help minimize staff absence. Ask yourself the following questions and if you answer 'Yes' to any of them, please contact us and give CCS an opportunity to explain and demonstrate what we can do for your organisation. - Do you get frustrated by poor cleaning standards? - Are you looking for value for money? - Are you let down by missed cleans or poor communication? - Are you looking for a flexible service? - Do you need a trustworthy service partner?
Glen Contract Services Ltd
Office Cleaning, Window cleaning, Carpet cleaning
Smartemps Limited.
We provide the full range of professional cleaning services to private and public sector organisations around the UK. Whether we are working on a single site or across multiple locations, on a contracted or single commission basis, we offer a service that is unparalleled in terms of quality, reliability and transparency. We use leading-edge attendance software to ensure our people are in the right place at the right time. What's more, we give clients ready access to this information, giving them total reassurance about the reliability of our operatives. But it's the standards upheld by our highly-trained and experienced staff that really set us apart. Our quality systems and attention to detail mean that every client receives our first-class service, without fail.
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Arx Cleaning Services
Green trans 78 ltd
A Clean GetAway Glasgow
SS Domestic Cleaning Services
Southside carpets / property maintance
HALO Cleaning Services Ayrshire
Diamond Cleaning & Laundry
Jett Window Cleaning
We offer a nationwide window cleaning service. This includes domestic and commercial window cleaning as well as gutter clearing, fascia and soffit cleaning, conservatory cleaning and pressure washing.
Happy Gleam Cleaning Services
Maid To Order
we are a very vibrant company looking for exciting new adventures and companies to come on board
C and K Cleaning Services ltd
Above and Beyond
We are a team of two girls working in kilmarnock and surrounding area. Our cleaning company offers flexiable weekly or fortnightly time slots for general cleans,(dusting, sweeping, hoovering,mopping, cleaning bathroom and kitchen cleaning ect.. We also Carry out heavy cleansing tasks and special projects like deep clean and a variety of other tasks like the organising your kitchen cupboards, Windows, skirtings etc..we can tackle any heavy cleaning jobs upon request. This list is a guide Empty all Bins and replace liners, and remove trash to designated area Dust and polish furniture Scrub flooring,tiles, and grout Clean doors, light switches, , walls if needed Clean and polish stainless steel cookers,appliances ect Clean and polish all bathrooms and kitchens Clean kitchen area including sinks, appliance exteriors, floors, tables, and counter tops Clean and sanitize bathrooms including toilets, sinks, doors, and partitions Disinfect bathroom floors and drains, sinks, bathroom counter tops, and bathroom fixtures Remove fingerprints and smudges from glass doors, entry-way glass, and interior glass partitions Sweep and mop all hard surface floors Vacuum all carpet floors Interior Window washing Vacuum and clean upholstered seating as required Arrange furniture, sort cupboards , lock doors, set alarms and much more !
Eco Steam Team
Eco Steam Team are an established cleaning services company based in Glasgow Scotland. We offer a diverse range of services, catering to both commercial and domestic needs . Customer satisfaction is of paramount importance to our company , and we guarantee a professional, friendly service that is unbeatable in terms of quality and price . We are fully insured and our staff is fully trained and experienced to provide the best service available Services that we provide -End of tenancy deep cleans -One off deep cleans -After Builders cleans -Airbnb Cleaning -Office Cleaning -After Party Cleaning -Steam Cleaning -Commercial Kitchen Deep Cleaning -Kitchen Ventilation Cleaning -Carpet Cleaning -Upholstery Cleaning -Leather Cleaning -Rug Cleaning -Mattress Cleaning We Clean Everything Everywhere ! We Cover All The Areas ! 7 Days a Week ! We work till late so we will always find availability which suits you ! We provide all cleaning chemicals and equipment !
Balmore Group (SCOTLAND)
Established in 1984, Balmore has become one of the UK's leading specialists in Difficult Access Solutions, including Rope Access/Steeplejack Works, Roofing Systems, Stonework Restoration, Lightning Protection, Industrial/Biohazard Cleaning, Renewable energy services & UAV Inspections. As a multi-service, multi-accredited company we have a wealth of experience in commercial, industrial and private contracts. NFRC, ATLAS, CHAS, BICS, CAA, ARPAS UK, RoSPA, SAFE Contractor, Construction Line APPROVED ISO 9001, 14001 & OHSAS 18001 ACCREDITED YOUR ONE STOP DIFFICULT ACCESS SPECIALIST INSPECT, REPAIR, CLEAN www.thebalmoregroup.co.uk 0141-944-6100
Afritrade Consulting Ltd.
The business will operate as standard recruitment agency with a bias in recruitment and training. Our service will cover areas such as highly skilled staffing of warehouse operation, home cleaning commercial and office cleaning, event stewardship, deep cleaning services and laundry and iron Temporary contracts staffing and other related human resource service.
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Anyway, after filling out some paperwork, we sat in the waiting room where a 50,000 inch TV played infomercial after infomercial about Botox and Microdermabrasion. I briefly glanced at the TV and rolled my eyes. Why do people subject themselves to this? Are wrinkles really that bad? Looking at the "before" pictures, I honestly couldn't see anything wrong with the women that required fixing. I glanced back at the TV as I heard them excitedly assured me that with Botox, I'd still be able to smile, frown, and look surprised. Oh yeah. Sign me up for that. I especially like the part where they let me know I'll be able to make a variety of facial expressions. You know, just in case I was considering the procedure, but that was the one thing holding me back - worrying that I wouldn't be able to convey my feelings of surprise to others. The voice on the TV continued, letting me know that it shouldn't look like I have parenthesis on my face. Parenthesis? I thought they were "laugh lines". I like "laugh lines" better than parenthesis. Laugh lines are like a badge of honor. A medal, or trophy of sorts received for living life well and enjoying it.
I dismissed the infomercials and asked Austin how the meeting with his counselor went today. He told me that he'd signed up to take Japanese next year. That's right. The kid who doesn't want to do any homework is going to learn a foreign language and not just any foreign language, but a language that has a whole 'nother alphabet! An alphabet that looks like chicken scratches to my untrained eye. Very pretty chicken scratches, but still, characters that are completely indiscernible to me. Yeah, sounds like a good plan. "You know, Austin. Japanese is going to be pretty hard to learn. And where are you going to use it? Why didn't you take Spanish or French? I think they'd be much easier to learn and you'd probably have a better opportunity to use them. By the time you get to your third year of Japanese, I have a feeling it's going to be really difficult."
"Oh, I won't get to my third year," he informed me. "I have a better plan. I need 3 years of language, so I'm just going to take Japanese 1, then I'll switch to French 1, then I'll switch to Italian 1. I'll never have to take a hard class."
SIGH "Oh Austin," I lamented, shaking my head. You do realize that once you start to get the hang of the language, you'll be moving on and starting ALL OVER AGAIN, don't you? Not to mention the fact that you won't come close to fluency in any of the languages so it's really not going to do you much good."
Our conversation was interrupted by the receptionist who told us that her son, a senior in high school, was taking German, going to Germany this summer, and hosting a foreign exchange student from Germany this spring. We started talking and somewhere along the way, she mentioned that she had 5 kids and the senior in high school was her youngest.
After my jaw actually hit the floor, I closed my mouth and blurted something classy like, "There is NO way you have 5 kids and the youngest is a senior!"
She insisted that her oldest was 30 and she had a grandchild. She didn't look much older than 30 herself! After picking my jaw up off the floor again, I turned back to the TV and the Botox commercial and gave it my rapt attention, taking notes, even.
So, we were taken back to a room where we met the doctor who looked like a life-sized Barbie doll - tall, thin, blond, flawless skin. I immediately
Then she turned to me and said something like, "This cream plumps up wrinkles too if you want to try it." Then she scrutinized my face and kinda shook her head like I was a lost cause beyond the help of even Botox. My hand immediately flew to my forehead where I quickly brushed my bangs in my face, then I carefully and strategically placed my hand over the lower part of my face to cover my "parenthesis".
The trip ended with with some snazzy blue safety glasses, a laser, and the smell of burning flesh. I can't wait to take him back in 4 weeks.


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I saw a little nifty travel case for mineral make up lovers from Bare Escentuals that's basically a compact that fits a tiny buffing brush and a closed cap with a sifter to store your mineral makeup for touch-ups throughout the day. It seems like a neat idea considering how messy mineral makeup can be when it's jumping around in your purse all day.
So for $28 would you buy it? How about in general, if it wasn't $28?
For those who like to travel with petite purses, Bare Escentuals® created a smaller version of their popular Flawless Face Case. Inside this portable compact, you'll find a refillable storage area with a flip top that when open acts as a surface to swirl and tap bareMinerals®. This secure top ensures your bareMinerals® will stay neatly in place when tossed about in your purse or gym bag. Also included is a built-in mirror and one of their most beloved brushes, the new Compact Buki Brush, nestled in its own perfect resting place. This no-spill, no-fuss compact represents the ultimate in modern convenience for the gal on-the-go.
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Would you buy this?
I saw a little nifty travel case for mineral make up lovers from Bare Escentuals that's basically a compact that fits a tiny buffing brush and a closed cap with a sifter to store your mineral makeup for touch-ups throughout the day. It seems like a neat idea considering how messy mineral makeup can be when it's jumping around in your purse all day.
36 comments
- Meredith said...
I would definitely order this, especially since it is so difficult to carry the BE products with you in your purse without spilling everything. Thanks for the info!!
- October 8, 2008 at 10:39 AM
- Bright Colored Makeup said...
Even though it is compact, it still seems pretty bulky to me. I don't think I have the patience to take it out of my purse, take the cap off the sifter and yeahhhhh too much work! I just want something to grab & go especially if I'm on the go.
- October 8, 2008 at 10:52 AM
- Anastasia said...
It IS a good idea, but I simply wouldn't spend $28 on an empty plastic container, no matter how convenient it made things.
I carry around my Benefit pressed Get Even blotting powder, and sometimes it breaks (it did in my bag yesterday) so I closed the compact and wrapped it in paper to keep it from falling out and wasting it. With loose powder you just need a jar you know won't come open.
Not to mention that packing a jar of powder, mirror, and a brush into a big rectangle compact like that I think would take up MORE space in my bag.
- October 8, 2008 at 10:58 AM
- Anonymous said...
that is so ridiculous
i got the small brush and a foundation from bare escentuals
it was THE SAME EXACT THING, i swear
from sephora when they ahd their promotion!!
- October 8, 2008 at 11:19 AM
- Dao said...
When BE first came out, they used to offer the travel case with the half moon brush for free with the starter kit or for $25 if you buy a la carte. I think that one is better than this kit which is too bulky and expensive.
- October 8, 2008 at 11:30 AM
- Katy said...
I don't use Bare Escentuals but I'd buy it, plus I always needed a good place to put my kabuki!
- October 8, 2008 at 11:41 AM
- ilurvemakeup said...
With a price tag no, for free sure lol What's the measurements exactly? The picture makes it look huge and bulky. I like the EM puff jar and mini SK retractable for touch ups.
- October 8, 2008 at 11:43 AM
- A Gal On A Budget said...
I don't think that this would make application any less messy. The bottom line is that mineral makeup does tend to go all over the place and isn't the sort of thing that one can reapply throughout the day. I might just be particularly clumsy, but I find that I even manage to make a mess when applying it at home ;).
- October 8, 2008 at 11:46 AM
- veraology said...
too expensive for my taste :p lol its cute though!
- October 8, 2008 at 12:26 PM
- fuzkittie said...
I used this when I used mineral makeup! :]
- October 8, 2008 at 12:43 PM
- leepsz said...
i mean it's cute,
but for $28? i can live without it, lol. and i'm lazy...i don't like to spend more then 60 seconds on touch ups....it'd take me a minute and a half just to get the lid off...get some product out, blablabla. i'll stick with my studio fix powder :D
- October 8, 2008 at 12:45 PM
- Tracy said...
I don't think I'd get this even if it was cheaper b/c it looks too bulky and like too much work. I like the mmu compact that I have, but I don't really like the sponge it comes with. If anything, I'd prefer to carry around a mini kabuki.
- October 8, 2008 at 12:56 PM
- Sher said...
i wanted to get that but here its like maybe 35 cad> :S way too much for me
- October 8, 2008 at 1:03 PM
- Jaimie said...
I think its adorable! i love it.
- October 8, 2008 at 1:03 PM
- jeSmakeup said...
i would.... but then theres no point cuz i dont ever carry makeup in my bag lol u seriously be suprised if i show u wuts in my bag! hahaha
- October 8, 2008 at 1:10 PM
- Le Midget said...
Pft no. Even if it was free I'd give it away.
- October 8, 2008 at 1:12 PM
- joy said...
i have this! i used to carry it around, but yes, it is quite big but the mirror is really nice and large too!
however, it makes it really easy to wear mineral foundation so i use it every day when i put on my makeup!
- October 8, 2008 at 1:46 PM
- (g)ezebel said...
my coworker got one of those from her cousin who works for BE. she showed it to me, and it's still messy. :0(
- October 8, 2008 at 2:24 PM
- Anonymous said...
it is a little pricey but i would buy it.
- October 8, 2008 at 2:33 PM
- Beauty is Androgynous said...
way overpriced for some plastic and animal hair. its cute tho. i wus not buy it.plusi dont use minerAl make up
- October 8, 2008 at 3:03 PM
- *Jen* said...
So I have this and honestly never use it! It was just sooo much bigger and bulkier than I was expecting, plus it got so messy! If there was a way to clover the sifter holes then I probably would've traveled with this more, but since there isn't every time I'd pop open the mineral makeup compartment there would be powder everywhere and of course a giant powder cloud.
I did love the brush that this came with though!
- October 8, 2008 at 3:06 PM
- iamgrape1119 said...
No thank you! What a rip off, I will just use my EDM puff jar.
- October 8, 2008 at 3:34 PM
- Roxy said...
Maybe if it was $5! haha $28 is too much and it doesn't even look like it's worth 28!
- October 8, 2008 at 4:17 PM
- Jenna said...
This is kinda pricey, but it's so nifty!
I wish MAC would make mini-compacts based on skin tone, e.g. compact with NC30 foundation, powder, 2 blushes, 3 e/s, 2 l/s and 1 l/g!
- October 8, 2008 at 4:23 PM
- dandelionpicker said...
$28 is too much for this! I bought Pur Minerals (which I love way more than BE) and it comes in compact form and I just use a mini buki with it...great for carrying along!
- October 8, 2008 at 4:28 PM
- Kimberly Tia said...
Yah -- no matter how big my purse is... I can't be convinced to buy this item, add more bulk to my bag.
It's a great idea, but not for the $$
- October 8, 2008 at 4:37 PM
- Anonymous said...
i got a free one (not like that exactly) from BE but the brush it comes with is that half moon one.
& it's wayyy smaller than that one..it's actually a real compact haha
- October 8, 2008 at 4:51 PM
- Askmewhats said...
I would probably buy this ...depends on people's review on this :D
- October 8, 2008 at 5:33 PM
- Robyn @ Purely Cosmetics said...
$28???? No, thanks. If it's the same baby buki as their free giveaway one, it hurts. I'd rather just take an empty 5gr jar and tote it around, if need be. That's what I do when traveling. Jen - try putting a piece of scotch tape over the sifter holes.
- October 8, 2008 at 7:01 PM
- Jerilee said...
I actually bought this to save space in my hospital bag when I had my sonl. It's kind of awkward to use because, being a BE user, I'm used to getting the makeup from the cover; so pretty much you have to turn the whole thing upside down and shake out the make up just to get a little bit out. It IS really bulky and I might as well just bring my regular BE makeup with me instead... which I wound up doing.
- October 8, 2008 at 9:59 PM
- May Nguyen said...
I thought it was cute but Im not a huge fane having loose powders in my bag.
- October 8, 2008 at 10:01 PM
- Mac It Pink said...
I honestly wouldn't buy it because 1.) it's a bit pricey
2.) I am not a big fan of loose powder except for MUFE Mat Loose powder
3.) it looks bulky and I already carry so much crap in my makeup bag. lol
- October 8, 2008 at 10:06 PM
- Shen said...
i wanted one at first b4 but i figured out around it. its a bit bulky for my already flowing makeup kit. :)
- October 8, 2008 at 10:13 PM
- Anonymous said...
i purchased this when i first started using bareminerals waaay back, and i've never used it! it's bulky to put in my makeup bag! i'd prefer using everyday minerals' puff jars and putting my bareminals in it! haha
- October 8, 2008 at 11:31 PM
- Sara said...
This is a great idea, price sucks tho!
- October 9, 2008 at 5:29 AM
- Robyn @ Purely Cosmetics said...
For those of you who say you prefer your puff jar, should I be carrying something like this?
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- October 9, 2008 at 8:22 AM


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It is impractical if not impossible to apply security solutions to the multitude of devices that connect to the network. It would require physically accessing each individual device that can be secured and attempting to prevent flash drives to attach to any devices that might connect to the network, like a PC or laptop.
By using a security solution in the cloud, on the other hand, the enterprise benefits from the protection of an integrated security solution that achieves the following:
To protect against the multitude of threats today and ones likely to develop in the future, an integrated security solution needs to rely on a combination of the following:
By shielding the network with an integrated, full solution, the enterprise can keep up with the growing number and complexity of malware threats.
By Phil Britt