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Olympic shot-putter killed
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September 01, 2009, 11:57:35 AM »
Olympic shot-putter David Laut is killed at his Oxnard home
The 1984 bronze medalist is shot after confronting prowlers outside his house in what police say is a good area of town.
Shot-putter David Laut takes the bronze medal at the 1984 Olympics in Los Angeles. After his glory days, he returned to Oxnard and taught in the local public schools. "He was a local boy who did well and came back to share his talents with the community," said neighbor Carter Laurie. (Tony Duffy / Getty Images)
By Catherine Saillant
August 29, 2009
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David Laut traveled the world as an Olympic shot-put medalist, but he never forgot his roots in Oxnard.
When his glory days ended, Laut -- who earned a bronze medal at the 1984 Olympics in Los Angeles -- bought a home in south Oxnard, taught in the local public schools and raised a son with his wife, Jane, his high school sweetheart.
About midnight Thursday, Laut, 52, stepped outside his home to confront prowlers and was gunned down, according to law enforcement officials and neighbors.
Police called to the scene found him lying in the side yard of his tidy beige-and-white stucco home, dead from multiple gunshot wounds. No arrests have been made and police have no suspects, said Oxnard Police Sgt. Ron Whitney.
The neighborhood of well-kept tract homes built in the 1980s is about two miles from the beach, and police rarely are called there for violent crime, Whitney said.
"I consider it a good area of town," the police sergeant said.
Neighbors and colleagues on Friday were reeling at the news that Laut, a 6-foot-3 "gentle giant," had been taken from them.
"It was an honor to know him," said Carter Laurie, Laut's next-door neighbor, wiping away tears. "He was a local boy who did well and came back to share his talents with the community."
Laurie said he had gone to bed early with a cold. But his wife heard three shots about midnight. The couple dismissed the disturbance as firecrackers until police arrived a few minutes later, Laurie said.
Laut had insisted that his wife stay inside while he checked on some noise in the yard, Laurie said he was told by Laut's mother-in-law.
Laut's wife "heard him say, 'What the hell are you doing here?' and then she heard 'bang, bang, bang,' " Laurie said.
Laut was athletic director at nearby Hueneme High School, a post he took a year ago, said Principal Adrian Palazuelos. Before that, he served for eight years as track coach at Hueneme High, and then left for one year to take a coaching job at a school in Ventura.
Laut's late father was a longtime science teacher at Hueneme High, Palazuelos said.
"His roots to south Oxnard and Hueneme go back fairly deep," Palazuelos said.
Laut had spent several hours on campus Thursday helping arrange sports physicals for students who would be starting classes next week, the principal said, adding that Laut was well liked by students and staff.
"He was a gentle giant, compassionate and student- focused," Palazuelos said. "And he was a competitor like no other."
Born in Ohio but reared in Ventura County, Laut played football, basketball and baseball at Santa Clara High School. But he excelled most at the shot put, winning two NCAA titles at UCLA.
He won a gold medal at the 1979 Pan American Games and picked up the bronze medal at the Coliseum.
Jim Kiefer, Laut's throwing coach at UCLA, called him a wonderful guy with a great sense of humor.
At one Pac-10 conference meet, Laut put the shot in the finals and walked out of the ring, thinking it was a poor effort. In fact, it was a winning distance, but he fouled by walking out of the ring. Kiefer warned him not to do that again.
"Then, he won the NCAA title and he ran over to me and he picked me up and had me over his head and I weighed 220 pounds. He just said, 'Wow,' " Kiefer recalled. "I remember what I said too. I said, 'Put me down.' "
Laut worked out every day in his garage, which he had converted into a gym, Laurie and other neighbors said. He was modest about his past sports accomplishments, said neighbor Chet Thomas.
"I never knew he was a medalist until somebody told me," Thomas said. "He never changed."
catherine.saillant @latimes.com
Times staff writer Bill Dwyre contributed to this report.
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September 11, 2009, 08:56:10 PM »
Samurai Sword Slays Intruder
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September 15, 2009, 10:38:19 AM »
Hopkins student kills intruder with samurai sword, police say
Two laptops, PlayStation had been stolen from off-campus house Monday
By Liz F. Kay |
7:35 AM EDT, September 15, 2009
A Johns Hopkins University student armed with a samurai sword killed a man who broke into the garage of his off-campus residence early Tuesday, a Baltimore police spokesman said.
According to preliminary reports, a resident of the 300 block of E. University Parkway called police about a suspicious person, department spokesman Anthony Guglielmi said. An off-duty officer responded about 1:20 a.m. to the area with university security, according to Guglielmi. They heard shouts and screams from a neighboring house and found the suspected burglar suffering from a nearly severed hand and lacerations to his upper body, he said.
The suspect was pronounced dead at the scene.
The student told police that he heard a commotion in the house and went downstairs armed with a samurai sword, Guglielmi said. He saw the side door to the garage had been pried open and found a man inside, who lunged at the student.
Detectives were still interviewing the student and his three roommates Tuesday morning, Guglielmi said. Burglars had already stolen two laptops and a Sony PlayStation from the student's home Monday, according to Guglielmi.
Dennis O'Shea, a spokesman for Johns Hopkins, said all four residents of the house are undergraduate students at the university.
The suspected burglar, whose name was not released pending notification of next of kin, had prior convictions for breaking and entering and had just been released Saturday from a Baltimore County facility, Guglielmi said.
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Re: Citizens defend themselves/others.
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September 18, 2009, 07:26:23 PM »
Canadian Glambo in red dress KOs elite trooper in party brawl
By Gerry Bellett, Vancouver SunSeptember 17, 2009
VANCOUVER A petite Vancouver woman is being sought by an English court after she wiped the floor with a collection of Britains premier soldiers the Coldstream Guards during a brawl at a Christmas party in the guardsmens barracks last December.
Ashley Wolfe, 24, was tried in absentia this week at Woolwich Magistrates Court in London after failing to appear on two charges of assault one involving a soldiers wife, the other a sergeant she knocked cold with one punch.
After finding her guilty the court issued an international warrant for her arrest.
Wolfe, who stands five foot three, was wearing what the British press described as a striking red satin dress to the party.
She was accused of telling her victims dont mess with me, Im a Canadian boxer.
The melee involving Wolfe dubbed Glambo by the British press has attracted international media coverage.
But just what happened in the barracks that night is open to debate.
Ashley and husband Bill who had part of his nose bitten off in the fight told the Vancouver Sun Thursday that the allegations against her were false.
In a telephone interview from Hungary, the couple said her lawyer had sought an adjournment to the trial because she was sick with the flu earlier this week and a doctor advised her not to travel.
However, the request was denied and the trial went on, resulting in a guilty verdict.
We want that overturned, said Bill. Our lawyers are requesting a retrial.
The Coldstream Guard says that during a drinking session, Ashley took exception to what she perceived to be gay embraces among some of the soldiers on the dance floor, particularly the actions of Lance-Sgt. Michael Fallows.
She told police that all these guys were kissing and humping each other basically having sex with their clothes on . . . I pushed them apart because they were clinging to each other and told them it wasnt appropriate.
She told them such behaviour shouldnt be allowed in the British Army.
This led to a confrontation between her and a number of other soldiers during which she pushed over a sergeant, Damian Holland.
Hollands wife Joanne then confronted Ashley and was punched in the face. Ashley is then said to have cold-cocked Fallows, who was knocked unconscious.
At that point a general melee broke out involving the two Canadians and a group of guardsmen.
That was the uncontested version given to the court.
However, the Wolfes say a group of six sergeants attempted to get Ashley to join them in a sexually suggestive mosh pit on the dance floor, which she rejected.
It had nothing to do with me saying anything about gays. They were acting disgusting perverted, humping each other and they wanted me to join in their little sex acts on the dance floor, she said.
I told them it was inappropriate and then this blond girl comes from nowhere and starts pushing me (she denies hitting the woman) and I got punched out by her husband, said Ashley.
Her husband was yelling at me you fg Yankee bitch and punches me so hard in the head I fall to the floor. This is what started the fight. I got blindsided a second time and then this Sgt. Fallows came at me aggressively and I took no chances and beat him to the punch.
Bill, a former Canadian Army regimental sergeant major, said they tried to entice his wife into lewd behaviour and when she resisted they told her to f off.
I said dont talk to her like that and they said f off Yank and I told them were Canadians. After that I said to Ashley were going to leave, he said.
Then Holland comes right over the top of his wife and hits Ashley in the face. She fell to the ground and I screamed because I thought she was dead. Thats when the soldiers jumped me. Hollands wife had pushed him out of the way and two women came to Ashleys aid. Shes dazed and gets up from the floor and this other guy Fallows was going to hit her when she clocks him with a left hook.
It was beautiful. Down he went, unconscious, said Bill who then became embroiled with four soldiers and Holland, who he says bit off the end of his nose.
Vancouver Sun
With files from the Daily Telegraph
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Re: Citizens defend themselves/others.
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September 23, 2009, 09:51:23 AM »
Customer tackles bank robber:
It will seem difficult at first, but everything is difficult at first.
Miyamoto Musashi.
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Re: Citizens defend themselves/others.
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Re: Citizens defend themselves/others.
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Let's all hear it for #25!
It will seem difficult at first, but everything is difficult at first.
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Re: Citizens defend themselves/others.
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October 19, 2009, 11:51:09 AM »
VETERAN Melbourne defence lawyer Alex Lewenberg, who was viciously bashed this week by an intruder in his city apartment, has been in plenty of scraps - in and out of court.
As a kid in postwar Europe, the Russian-born Jew was forced to defend himself to survive in street fights, and learnt never to lie down.
He boxed as a 12-year-old in Poland, then fought in Czechoslovakia, Greece and Israel as a welterweight, a trade that ultimately helped finance his studies.
Alex Lewenberg, 68, was back at work a day after fighting off an intruder.
Alex Lewenberg, 68, was back at work a day after fighting off an intruder. Photo: Craig Abraham
In Melbourne over 40 years, he has built a reputation as a pugnacious and successful solicitor, who has tenaciously represented clients, from Billy ''The Texan'' Longley to Boris ''The Black Diamond'' Beljajev and anyone else seeking help.
He has also been stabbed, shot at and had his house bombed by the opposing sides in family law cases, was disqualified 20 years ago for professional misconduct and once was attacked in his office by a woman with a baseball bat.
Given his renowned resilience, recent matters have fallen like water off a rhino's back.
About 9am on Tuesday, Mr Lewenberg, now 68 and still no pushover, was attacked by a younger and fitter man who king-hit him with a fist fitted with a knuckle duster or weighted with rings in the fifth-floor kitchen. ''It was a beautiful right-cross from a short distance,'' Mr Lewenberg recounted yesterday to The Age, with knowledge not flippancy.
The blow smashed into the left side of his face, above his eye, but ''my boxing experience told me that if you are about to fall grab your opponent and hang on to him'', he said.
And hang on he did, but also landed blows in a bloody battle that lasted 20 minutes as the pair, locked together, wrestled across a polished black granite floor.
As Mr Lewenberg edged his attacker away from a row of knives towards a doorway and a lift, the man grabbed a sword from a standing suit of armour called Sir Dudley.
The pair burst through the door, the blade cutting Mr Lewenberg's arm, leg and body, then fell downstairs, and tumbling to the fourth floor.
With blood pouring from both men, the attacker bit Mr Lewenberg's ear. Then, after Mr Lewenberg grabbed his testicles, the man fled.
Back at work the day after, he suspects the attacker was not a local, while police, at this stage, believe it was not a ''disgruntled'' client.
Anyone with information can contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000.
It will seem difficult at first, but everything is difficult at first.
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Re: Citizens defend themselves/others.
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December 07, 2009, 06:59:54 PM »
Why it's better to live in a red state.
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Re: Citizens defend themselves/others.
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December 07, 2009, 07:25:22 PM »
More on the shooting above.
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Re: Citizens defend themselves/others.
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December 07, 2009, 07:53:34 PM »
Why it's better to live in a red state.
Not all of us "young liberals" are voting for gun bans... just so you know
When life gives you lemons make lemonade
When life gives you hemlock, do NOT make hemlockade!
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Re: Citizens defend themselves/others.
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December 08, 2009, 01:18:29 AM »
If you live in a blue state, the gun laws were voted into place long ago. Funny how crime has gotten worse with those laws in place.
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Roger Huerta
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August 04, 2010, 09:29:05 PM »
And, there's also some video from TMZ.
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"...grappling happens. It just does." - Top Dog
Re: Roger Huerta
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August 05, 2010, 03:34:33 PM »
Quote from: Crafty_Dog on August 04, 2010, 09:29:05 PM
And, there's also some video from TMZ.
Beat me to it Guro. I was going to post on the UFC/MMA thread. This thread is much better suited.
I think the links/URL's came out bad.
The story:
The video:
"A good stickgrappler has good stick skills, good grappling, and good stickgrappling and can keep track of all three simultaneously. This is a good trick and can be quite effective." - Marc "Crafty Dog" Denny
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Re: Citizens defend themselves/others.
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August 06, 2010, 04:17:41 AM »
What is your legal reasoning there?
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Zuchinni vs. bear
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September 23, 2010, 09:42:34 PM »
Montana woman fends off bear attack with zucchini
This image provided by the Missoula County Sheriff's Office shows the zucchini used by a Montana woman to fend off a bear attack Thursday Sept. 23, 2010 in Frenchtown, Mont. The woman was stirred after midnight by a tussle in the backyard of her home near Frenchtown, Missoula County Sheriff's Lt. Rich Maricelli said. She went to investigate and found a 200-pound black bear attacking one of her two dogs, a 12-year-old collie.
From Associated Press
September 23, 2010 8:06 PM EDT
HELENA, Mont. (AP) A Montana woman fended off a bear trying to muscle its way into her home Thursday by pelting the animal with a large piece of zucchini from her garden.
The woman suffered minor scratches and one of her dogs was wounded after tussling with the 200-pound bear.
The attack happened just after midnight when the woman let her three dogs into the backyard for their nighttime ritual before she headed to bed, Missoula County Sheriff's Lt. Rich Maricelli said. Authorities believe the black bear was just 25 yards away, eating apples from a tree.
Two of the dogs sensed the bear, began barking and ran away, Maricelli said. The third dog, a 12-year-old collie that wasn't very mobile, remained close to the woman as she stood in the doorway of the home near Frenchtown in western Montana.
Before she knew what was happening, the bear was on top of the dog and batting the collie back and forth, Maricelli said.
"She kicked the bear with her left leg as hard as she could, and she said she felt like she caught it pretty solidly under the chin," Maricelli said.
But as she kicked, the bruin swiped at her leg with its paw and ripped her jeans.
The bear then turned its full attention to the woman in the doorway. She retreated into the house and tried to close the door, but the bear stuck its head and part of a shoulder through the doorway.
The woman held onto the door with her right hand. With her left, she reached behind and grabbed a 14-inch zucchini that she had picked from her garden earlier and was sitting on the kitchen counter, Maricelli said.
She threw the vegetable. It bopped the bruin on the top of its head and the animal fled, Maricelli said.
The woman called for help from a relative staying with her. They found the collie outside, unable to move, and took it to a veterinarian.
The dog appeared to be fine on Thursday, but the vet was keeping it for observation, Maricelli said.
The woman did not need medical attention for the scratches on her leg, though she got a tetanus shot as a precaution, Maricelli said.
Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks officials set up a trap in an attempt to capture the bear, the agency said in a statement.
Besides the nearby fruit trees, there wasn't anything on the woman's property that would attract a bear into the backyard, like garbage or livestock feed, wildlife officials said.
Maricelli interviewed the woman, but said the sheriff's office was complying with her wish not to identify her.
"She was very, very shaken, and it kind of took the humor portion out of it for me," Maricelli said. "She said it had this horrific growl and was snarling.
"(But) she can see the humor in it, and she wanted the story put out so the local residents can take precautionary measures," he added.
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How to recognize and fight a terrorist on a plane
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October 02, 2010, 03:16:23 PM »
How to Recognize and Fight a Terrorist on a Plane
by Randy Plante (more by this author)
Posted 01/05/2010 ET
Updated 01/05/2010 ET
The attempted bombing of Delta/Northwest 253 on Christmas Day was not the first from the Islamic terrorists nor will it be the last. Since I am a pilot, I have had people ask what can a passenger do onboard an airplane to help thwart a terrorist attack. Having personal experience with a few events myself, as well as reading articles and hearing stories from other crewmembers, I can give you some information which might assist you in dealing with a suspicious passenger or situation.
The first thing to realize is that there are a few different scenarios which the terrorists could be using on your particular flight. (Also realize that it could happen on any flight, not just one originating from a non U.S. location.) Options include testing TSA and law enforcement personnel, testing passengers and crewmembers, observation, dry run/practice, and actual execution of an attack. Of course it is hard to differentiate which scenario is playing out until after your flight lands, but it might assist you in recognizing the threat and knowing how serious your reaction should be if you know all of the options. In most of these instances, their job is to also scare you. Terrorists create terror. If you stop flying, they win. So be pro-active. Maybe something you do will cause them to call off the attack.
As a passenger you must be observant and vigilant. Most often someone notices some unusual activity or behavior. It doesnt have to be just a person either. Suspicious bags, luggage, packages, notes, pillows, and electronic devices have been found on planes. One of the biggest advantages you have is the ability to profile. TSA refuses to do the obvious thanks to political correctness. Everyone knows who is committing these attacks -- Muslim, Middle-Eastern men between 18 and 40. Maybe al Qaeda is trying to recruit others than dont fit this profile but it sure fits the mold right now.
Some things to look for: groups or pairs of men, a passenger talking to themselves, speaking Arabic, watching crewmembers (this is different than looking), staring at the cockpit door, long stays or multiple trips to the lavatory, reading a book but not turning any pages, nervousness, being unusual by trying to fit in, taking pictures/videos, not making eye contact. When you are at the boarding area and on the plane if you notice a suspicious passenger, look for others. How many? If it is one or two then they could be planning on bombing the aircraft or just making observations of crew procedures. 6 or more? Then this cells objective would be hijacking the plane by brute force. Also remember that there are sleepers that try to blend in with the other passengers and could be very hard to notice. A website reports a well-dressed man in custody that was also a passenger on Delta Flight 253. After an incident, your entire plane might be delayed for security and they will treat everyone as suspects. Also expect the government and airline to try to cover up parts or all of an event.
A recent example of a possible test occurred on Nov 17 with an Airtran flight from Atlanta to Houston. Eleven Muslim men got on the plane and caused a big disturbance and ended with passengers assisting the flight attendants in the commotion. TSA was called, they took the men off, talked to them, and put them back on. The crewmembers walked off the plane refusing to fly it, and then passengers walked off as well. The terrorists tested the TSA and passengers but probably also threatened lawsuits to the government and Airtran. This could be setting up a later mission with hopes the TSA and airline would be afraid to take them off the plane. Just like the Delta flight, the final layer of security, the crewmembers and passengers, are the ones who might have prevented an attack, nothing the government did was successful.
The best time to do something is prior to boarding and before the aircraft pushes back from the gate while the door is still open. This is when you have some control in the situation and easier for the captain to get involved. Before you board you can talk to a TSA employee or gate agent and explain your concerns. The gate agents are usually very busy and might give you the brush off. Talk to other passengers. While on the plane you will have to find a flight attendant, which could prove difficult because at times the boarding process can be quite chaotic. If one flight attendant seems to ignore you then talk to the other one. Maybe ask to see the captain. Write a note. If you are really scared, grab your bags, say you are sick, and get off the plane. Some crewmembers can be just as ignorant about the serious nature of the threat as our government officials. One time after a flight years ago a flight attendant asked me what the captain did about the suspicious passenger. She had called the cockpit inflight to report the behavior to the captain (since retired) and he neglected to tell me anything and did nothing.
While seated look for able-bodied men, military personnel, or deadheading crew to assist you. Maybe you notice a suspicious passenger but do not feel it warrants a visit with TSA/Flight Attendant or it happens inflight . Volunteer yourself or change seats on your own to sit next to or right behind any suspicious passengers. A recent crew moved a soldier to sit next to a nervous Middle-Eastern passenger before pushback. Once while I was deadheading in coach during a flight, the captain told the flight attendant to move me next to a suspicious passenger.
Once airborne there are limited options. Talking to the flight attendants and moving seats is basically all you can do. A divert takes time and would be a major emergency. On the flight I diverted for security issues we had an F-16 on our tail, ready to shoot us down if we didnt immediately land.
If an actual attack occurs, then all bets are off. Take Action! DO NOT wait for crewmember instruction! This is a life or death situation. The terrorists will be hoping for the element of surprise. You will probably die anyways if the terrorists are successful so you might as well die giving them a fight. If it is a hijacking, block the aisles and do not let them get to the cockpit. For a bombing, jump on the passenger and separate him from the ignition source. For a suspicious package, box, etc. there is a place on the plane to move it to, but do not move it until necessary and with guidance from the crew.
The airlines are doing their best just to stay in business with the recession, bad weather, tough competition, and low fares. The employees are very frustrated with pay cuts, long hours, full planes, grumpy customers and poor morale. The commercial aviation system wasnt designed to fight terrorists. And dont necessarily blame the TSA and law enforcement agencies. They have some really hard working personnel trying to protect us. It is the policies implemented by people working in the U.S. government that is the problem, and amazing enough, it is the federal government that is required by law to defend us by the U.S. constitution. So what do they do? President Obama decides to take legal action against CIA employees for using special interrogation techniques to obtain information from terrorists to keep us safe. It was an obvious emotional, liberal, political decision. This will only make it much more difficult for the intelligence agencies to do their jobs and recruit/retain top talent, as well as lowering morale.
Another government employee, the DHS Secretary herself, said after the 12/25 attempted bombing, the system worked when it was obvious to the world that it did not. The news media gave President Bush an amazing amount of grief for not connecting the dots with 9/11. Regarding the underwear bomber on Flight 253; his father warned the government, was on a watch list, paid cash for his ticket, no passport, no luggage. A third grader could have connected these dots. The Republicans had to undo the laws and policies enacted by the Clinton Administration that impeded communication between intelligence and law enforcement agencies while President Bush implemented new ones to protect us after September 11. Now Democrats are acting like it is September 10 again.
Government by definition is a bureaucratic monopoly. It is managed by politicians and career bureaucrats. Slow, inefficient, unaccountable. Lots of finger pointing, blame games, commissions, hearings, conferences, meetings, and reports, but do you know anybody that got fired after 9/11, Fort Hood, or any other government blunder? Deja vous with this security lapse? It feels like we are on a team that wants to lose. And I dont like being on a team that likes losing and neither does millions of people across the United States.
Unfortunately, until the Obama administration, Congress, and our government officials get serious with national security and the war on terrorism, then what we will lose is more of our freedoms and the lives of more American citizens.
Randy Plante is a former Air Force Captain and F-111 pilot. He flew a C-130 with the Air National Guard and served two tours in the Bosnian War. Currently Mr. Plante is a Captain with 19 years at a major airline.
Picture these guys shaved and in a suit, and ready to die as a part of killing you. Are you ready?
Last Edit: October 02, 2010, 03:24:54 PM by Crafty_Dog
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October 02, 2010, 03:24:37 PM »
"TSA refuses to do the obvious thanks to political correctness."
**No, TSA refuses to do it because of the DOJ.**
U.S. Department of Justice
Civil Rights Division
June 2003
In his February 27, 2001, Address to a Joint Session of Congress, President George W. Bush declared that racial profiling is "wrong and we will end it in America." He directed the Attorney General to review the use by Federal law enforcement authorities of race as a factor in conducting stops, searches and other law enforcement investigative procedures. The Attorney General, in turn, instructed the Civil Rights Division to develop guidance for Federal officials to ensure an end to racial profiling in law enforcement.
"Racial profiling" at its core concerns the invidious use of race or ethnicity as a criterion in conducting stops, searches and other law enforcement investigative procedures. It is premised on the erroneous assumption that any particular individual of one race or ethnicity is more likely to engage in misconduct than any particular individual of another race or ethnicity.
Racial profiling in law enforcement is not merely wrong, but also ineffective. Race-based assumptions in law enforcement perpetuate negative racial stereotypes that are harmful to our rich and diverse democracy, and materially impair our efforts to maintain a fair and just society. (1)
The use of race as the basis for law enforcement decision-making clearly has a terrible cost, both to the individuals who suffer invidious discrimination and to the Nation, whose goal of "liberty and justice for all" recedes with every act of such discrimination. For this reason, this guidance in many cases imposes more restrictions on the consideration of race and ethnicity in Federal law enforcement than the Constitution requires. (2) This guidance prohibits racial profiling in law enforcement practices without hindering the important work of our Nation's public safety officials, particularly the intensified anti-terrorism efforts precipitated by the events of September 11, 2001.
I. Traditional Law Enforcement Activities. Two standards in combination should guide use by Federal law enforcement authorities of race or ethnicity in law enforcement activities:
* In making routine or spontaneous law enforcement decisions, such as ordinary traffic stops, Federal law enforcement officers may not use race or ethnicity to any degree, except that officers may rely on race and ethnicity in a specific suspect description. This prohibition applies even where the use of race or ethnicity might otherwise be lawful.
* In conducting activities in connection with a specific investigation, Federal law enforcement officers may consider race and ethnicity only to the extent that there is trustworthy information, relevant to the locality or time frame, that links persons of a particular race or ethnicity to an identified criminal incident, scheme, or organization. This standard applies even where the use of race or ethnicity might otherwise be lawful.
II. National Security and Border Integrity. The above standards do not affect current Federal policy with respect to law enforcement activities and other efforts to defend and safeguard against threats to national security or the integrity of the Nation's borders, (3) to which the following applies:
* In investigating or preventing threats to national security or other catastrophic events (including the performance of duties related to air transportation security), or in enforcing laws protecting the integrity of the Nation's borders, Federal law enforcement officers may not consider race or ethnicity except to the extent permitted by the Constitution and laws of the United States.
Any questions arising under these standards should be directed to the Department of Justice.
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October 03, 2010, 01:18:47 PM »
Conceal Carry in action:
Last Edit: October 03, 2010, 03:33:33 PM by prentice crawford
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Reply #119 on:
October 03, 2010, 03:55:44 PM »
Quote from: prentice crawford on October 03, 2010, 01:18:47 PM
Conceal Carry in action:
Good story... IMHO CCW's permits are something that those with clean records and especially prior LEO or related training should be automatic.
Even the playing field.
Kaju Dog
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Reply #120 on:
October 03, 2010, 04:24:06 PM »
The shame is that the guy will more than likely get fired by Pizza Hut.
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Reply #121 on:
October 04, 2010, 02:11:25 PM »
Personally, I'm in favor of concealed carry.
But, this employee should be fired. Company Policy is very clear. The increased corporate
liability of someone innocent getting hurt by a company employee with a gun is too great.
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Reply #122 on:
October 04, 2010, 09:55:05 PM »
Well, even if he gets fired at least he's alive. In the end, that's all that matters.
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Reply #123 on:
October 06, 2010, 08:19:05 AM »
I would tend to think that a business that forbids it's employees from using lawful self defense would then take on liability for any victimization they might suffer as the result of the policy. I'm not aware of any caselaw to that effect, however.
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Reply #124 on:
October 06, 2010, 09:16:26 AM »
If a company takes away a person's right to keep and bear arms and his right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness along with his right to self defence, then they should be liable if their policy results in the death or injury of one of their employees. But I'm with this guy; better to be fired than dead.
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Reply #125 on:
October 06, 2010, 09:40:01 AM »
As Scurvy said, "Well, even if he gets fired at least he's alive. In the end, that's all that matters."
And Rarick said, it does sound like a "clear case of self defense".
I agree with these statements.
But, he should definitely get fired. The companies first responsibility is to the company. And company policy was clear.
Let's look at a bank robber. Should the teller's be armed and start shooting inside the bank?
If innocents get shot - who is liable?
If the teller shoots a coworker - who is liable?
(Heck even if there is no bank robbery co workers sometimes shoot each other and if their employer
allowed weapons at work - who is liable?)
If a bullet goes through the wall/window and someone dies - who is liable?
As for case law, I doubt if you will find any criticizing an employer for forbidding employees to have guns at work, but you will
find lot's of case law and judgment awards against companies where an employee's action with a weapon accidentally injured
an innocent third party.
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Victor Perez: Hero
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October 06, 2010, 09:27:12 PM »
Hero Victor Perez saved kidnapped girl from Gregorio Gonzalez, Fresno Police said
Fresno, California, police say an alert and courageous man, Victor Perez, rescued an 8-year-old girl Tuesday morning after she was kidnapped the night before.
Police say the suspect, Gregorio Gonzalez, 24, kidnapped and molested the little girl. They say he was a gang member.
The girl was held captive for 12-hours before she was rescued.
Police showed surveillance video of Gonzalezs truck on the media and that ultimately led to his capture and the girls rescue.
Perez recognized the truck from news reports and used his own car to cut off Gonzalez. Perez told KFSN-TV that it took him four tries before he was able to stop the truck
Perez said, "At first, I didn't know if it was him or not but when he took off, I kept up with him and I cut him off three times until I caught up with him here. And I told him, that ain't your little girl man."
Gonzalez pushed the girl out of his truck and took off, Perez said. He called police while he stayed with the girl. About 40 minutes later, the California Highway Patrol later spotted the Gonzalezs truck and arrested him without incident.
Fresno police say that in about 90% of similar cases, children are killed by their kidnappers within 24 hours.
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October 13, 2010, 03:14:15 AM »
Guns in the work place? Not in mine. I run a small business and take the safety of the work environment very seriously. I have been in business for many decades and have seen time and time again pressured employees get to some point if temper loss. I am referring not only to "minimum wage" level employees but also "career" level employees making salaries that would dwarf most of ours. Employees get angry sometimes like when they butt heads with a fellow worker, when their pride is injured because of (even legit) criticism or if they need to be terminated. There is an incredible amount if genetic-based emotion that often displays during a termination or when an employee even thinks/feels their job is being threatened.... their jobs represent their ability to support their lives. These emotions very often defy logic.
One if the benefits of real contact fighting like we do at a Dog Brothers Gathering is that our emotions and our adrendline respond to the fight as if it were a real life or death confrontation even tho intellectually we know our opponent us not intending on killing us. There is a similar phenomena that happens when an employee is, for example, inside a termination process; even tho their lives and family are not really being physically threatened they FEEL and often ACT exactly like that. Same happens sometimes when they find themselves working with a more talented co-worker and their competitive genetics cause them to feel threatened.
The truth is that the intensity of hardly any if these "feelings" are justified but, again, bodies can respond in ways that are unpredictable ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IMHO, people are rarely trained in understanding the adrendline state.
Weapons and employees are an EXTREMELY bad idea. The average American employee is unfamiliar with most any bladed weapon or side arm or whatever and therefore are naturally fearful of them because they are what they appear to be... dangerous. Just because a lot of us have training surrounding weapons or are simply exposed and accustomed to some doesn't
Mean the average Joe or Jane is.
Last Edit: October 13, 2010, 03:19:02 AM by Dog Howie
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Reply #128 on:
October 13, 2010, 03:32:07 AM »
Quote from: Rarick on October 06, 2010, 03:46:35 AM
Any company that says that they would rather have you die than open them up to liability, is a company with hostile work environment policies...........
As a clarification, if you are using the phrase "hostile work environment" to underscore your point then I follow you. However the legal definition and even the intent if the regulations surrounding a hostile work environment have nothing to do the matters of this discussion but are intended, in most situations, to address racial and gender related issues. Thus IMHO, use of the phrase outside of the legislative/legal intent of it dilutes the understanding of the language.
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Reply #129 on:
December 12, 2010, 12:37:47 PM »
Sometimes the tables get turned but wouldn't it be better if the customer already had his own gun? The customer didn't have a choice in this case because it happened in gun ban crazy Chicago. He's not going to be charged because he did act in selfdefense even though the guy he shot and killed was unarmed but that's because the gun he used was the robbers gun. Had he used his own gun even if the robber still had his, he would probably be charged with murder. This is how upside down thinking gun haters operate. It makes no sense at all. Well meaning and not so well meaning idiots pass gun bans to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. Criminals have guns because they ignore gun bans (go figure, they're criminals), lawabiding citizens don't have guns because they obey the bans (go figure, they're lawabiding), and when a defenseless lawabiding unarmed citizen is attacked they have to risk just standing there and being shot or take the attackers gun away, if they manage to do this, then and only then is it O.K. that they have a gun and use it to defend themselves with. Let's just all go and bang our heads against a wall. The fact that this criminal was so use to people not fighting back that he thought he could take his gun back, shows the level of safety that criminals in these gun ban or as I like to call them 'criminal protection zones', feel.
Last Edit: December 12, 2010, 12:55:44 PM by prentice crawford
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Reply #130 on:
December 12, 2010, 12:49:02 PM »
The left doesn't care about what actually works to reduce crime, the gun laws make them feel good. That's what is important to them.
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Reply #131 on:
December 16, 2010, 10:57:59 AM »
What ya frying granny?
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Reply #132 on:
December 17, 2010, 06:03:09 AM »
Three on one and one wins!
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Reply #133 on:
December 17, 2010, 02:52:30 PM »
I was just watching the same thing.
Hope the guy is ok.
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Reply #134 on:
December 17, 2010, 03:03:46 PM »
Got to love a state where CCW is available and self defense is readily recognized. I hope this guy recovers quickly.
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Reply #135 on:
January 10, 2011, 10:52:08 AM »
The media isn't covering it but one of the guys that tackled the AZ shooter was armed and said he was inside the Safeway when he heard the gunfire. He took the safety off his weapon and went outside and got to the guy just as he ran out of ammo and instead of shooting him he just grabbed him along with another guy. So much for the smear the Left puts on concealed carry people as being vigilantes.
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Reply #136 on:
January 10, 2011, 11:15:15 AM »
Good news-- you have a citation on that so I can play it forward?
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Reply #137 on:
January 10, 2011, 11:29:41 AM »
It was on Fox News channel and I have looked for it being mention anywhere else and it has not been reported on.
And I'll correct myself that the guy was in the near by Walgreens not Safeway and add that he saw the shooter's weapon's slide was locked back and went for the tackle.
Last Edit: January 10, 2011, 11:36:38 AM by prentice crawford
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Reply #138 on:
January 10, 2011, 11:43:45 AM »
An update, the other guy that help bring the shooter down was retired military...
Last Edit: January 10, 2011, 11:49:54 AM by prentice crawford
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Reply #139 on:
January 11, 2011, 09:14:06 AM »
Here is the guy that was packing... scroll down to the interview with the title, One of the men who subdued Longhner had a gun, and he was ready to use it.
Note that when he came up to the scene it wasn't the shooter that had the gun anymore but he didn't know that and seeing the gun was empty grabbed that guy first. This shows even better judgement and control on his part in that he didn't inadvertently shoot a innocent man with the gun. I think if he had been there when the shooting first started and hadn't been shot himself at the first, he may have prevented some of the deaths but not all. I still think it speaks very highly as to how responsible he was as a conceal carry citizen.
Last Edit: January 11, 2011, 09:31:15 AM by prentice crawford
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Reply #140 on:
January 11, 2011, 10:06:40 AM »
Yes, very sound work by this man.
I loved the slack-jaw response of the blondie when he answered in the affirmative about having a gun with him and being ready to use it.
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January 12, 2011, 04:19:17 AM »
TUCSON The police were sent to the home where Jared L. Loughner lived with his family on more than one occasion before the attack here on Saturday that left a congresswoman fighting for her life and six others dead, the Pima County Sheriffs Department said on Tuesday.
A spokesman, Jason Ogan, said the details of the calls were being reviewed by legal counsel and would be released as soon as the review was complete. He said he did not know what the calls were about they could possibly have been minor, even trivial matters or whether they involved Jared Loughner or another member of the household.
A friend of Mr. Loughners also said in an interview on Tuesday that Mr. Loughner, 22, was skilled with a gun as early as high school and had talked about a philosophy of fostering chaos.
The news of police involvement with the Loughners suggests that county sheriffs deputies were at least familiar with the family, even if the reason for their visits was unclear as of Tuesday night.
The account by Mr. Loughners friend, a rare extended interview with someone close to Mr. Loughner in recent years, added some details to the emerging portrait of the suspect and his family.
He was a nihilist and loves causing chaos, and that is probably why he did the shooting, along with the fact he was sick in the head, said Zane Gutierrez, 21, who was living in a trailer outside Tucson and met Mr. Loughner sometimes to shoot at cans for target practice.
The Loughner family released a statement on Tuesday, its first since the attacks, expressing in a six-line document handed to reporters outside their house sorrow for the losses experienced by the victims and their families.
It may not make any difference, but we wish that we could change the heinous events of Saturday, the statement said. There are no words that can possibly express how we feel. We wish that there were, so we could make you feel better.
The new details from Mr. Gutierrez about Mr. Loughner including his philosophy of anarchy and his expertise with a handgun, suggest that the earliest signs of behavior that may have ultimately led to the attacks started several years ago.
Mr. Gutierrez said his friend had become obsessed with the meaning of dreams and their importance. He talked about reading Friedrich Nietzsches book The Will To Power and embraced ideas about the corrosive, destructive effects of nihilism a belief in nothing. And every day, his friend said, Mr. Loughner would get up and write in his dream journal, recording the world he experienced in sleep and its possible meanings.
Jared felt nothing existed but his subconscious, Mr. Gutierrez said. The dream world was what was real to Jared, not the day-to-day of our lives.
And that dream world, his friend said, could be downright strange.
He would ask me constantly, Do you see that blue tree over there? He would admit to seeing the sky as orange and the grass as blue, Mr. Gutierrez said. Normal people dont talk about that stuff.
He added that Mr. Loughner used the word hollow to describe how fake the real world was to him.
As his behavior grew more puzzling to his friends, he was getting better with a pistol. Starting in high school, Mr. Loughner honed his marksmanship with a 9-millimeter pistol, the same caliber weapon used in the attack Saturday, until he became proficient at handling the weapon and firing it quickly.
If he had a gun pointed at me, there is nothing I could do because he would make it count, Mr. Gutierrez said. He was quick.
He also said that Mr. Loughner had increasing trouble interacting in social settings during one party, for instance, Mr. Loughner retreated upstairs alone to a room and was found reading a dictionary.
Jared Loughners retreat whether into the desert with his gun, or into the recesses of his dreams coincided with a broader retreat by the Loughner family that left them increasingly isolated from their community, neighbors said.
His father, Randy, once more of a presence in their mostly working-class neighborhood in northwest Tucson as he went off to work as a carpet-layer and pool-deck installer, became a silent and often sullen presence.
One neighbor, George Gayan, who said he had known the family for 30 years, described a kind of a gradual pulling back by the family.
People do this for different reasons, said Mr. Gayan, 82. I dont know why.
Some years ago, Randy Loughner built a wall to shield the side porch of the familys home. Because of his often bellicose attitude, neighbors sometimes kept their distance.
Leslie Cooper owns the house next door, where her son and his family live. She recounted a time when her grandchildren would not chase after a ball that landed in the Loughners backyard.
They had to buy a new one, said Ms. Cooper, who was told of the incident by her son. Id tell my son, those are not normal people over there theres a reason why they stick to themselves, she said, adding that she had warned him to steer clear of Randy Loughner.
I said, be careful around that guy dont get him angry, she added.
Other people in the neighborhood, though, said they saw glimpses of compassion in the Loughner family, and an ability to reach out to others, sometimes unexpectedly.
Richard Mckinley, 41, whose mother lives down the street from the Loughners, said his mother appreciated how Randy and Amy Loughner were among the first people to visit when her husband died two years ago.
They were some of the first people to pay respects, he said.
In contrast to the reputation of his father, Jared Loughners mother, Amy, is considered pleasant but reserved by those who know her.
She commuted about an hour each day to her job managing Agua Caliente Park, an area of spring-fed ponds surrounded by giant palm trees in the desert on the outskirts of Tucson. The impeccably maintained park was quiet Tuesday, but for the chirping of the dozens of species of birds that call it home and the occasional crunch of a birders hiking boots along the trails.
Donna DeHaan, a former board member of the nonprofit group that helps support the park, said Ms. Loughner was a reliable manager with a good background in environmental issues. Ms. DeHaan said she never spoke about her family but was always pleasant, if a tad quiet and shy.
Mr. Gutierrez said he sensed very little communication within the family when he was among them.
Every time I met his parents they were kind of quiet and estranged, he said. Jared Loughner did not complain about his parents, Mr. Gutierrez said, and seemed to simply accept the lack of interaction as a fact of life.
Jared really did not talk to his parents or talk about them, Mr. Gutierrez said. I felt they were not really good reaching out and he was not good at reaching out to his parents.
After his arrest for possession of drug paraphernalia in 2007, Mr. Loughner was ordered to attend a diversion program run by the county attorneys office. The chief deputy county attorney, Amelia Craig Cramer, said the program is intended for first-time offenders who have no history of violence or serious mental illness.
Mr. Loughner was referred to an approved drug education program, and completed the required sessions in 30 days.
But the program is primarily educational, Ms. Cramer said, focused on the dangers of drugs and the dangers of substance abuse, rather than the kind of in-depth counseling that friends, including Mr. Gutierrez, strongly felt that Mr. Loughner needed.
It got worse over time, Mr. Gutierrez said. He said he stopped talking to Mr. Loughner last March, when their interactions grew increasingly unpredictable and troubling.
He would call me at 2 a.m. and asked, Are you hanging out in front of my house, stalking me? He started to get really paranoid, and said he did not want to see us anymore and did not trust us, Mr. Gutierrez said, referring to himself and another friend. He thought we were plotting to kill him or steal his car.
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Reply #142 on:
January 12, 2011, 10:03:22 AM »
Sounds to me like the Sheriff wasn't very proactive in heading this guy off, he could have on a number of contacts with Jared, had him held for a 72 hour mental evaluation under AZ law. Jared's mother worked for the local government there, I wonder if the Sheriff just let things go because of that. The AP has revealed that the Sheriff has been the source of the leaked writtings found at the Loungher's home. To date those snippets are:
I planned ahead
My assassination
, and the latest one
Die B....
It seems to me that he is intentionally putting this out to prop up his assertions that Jared was acting out of political hate whipped up by political rhetoric from the Right. I find it to reprehensible and appalling that a law enforcement official would leak evidence that could harm the case against this man just to support his personal political agenda of smearing the Right, especially a case that may involve the death penally.
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January 12, 2011, 12:09:35 PM »
P.C. wrote: " Sounds to me like the Sheriff wasn't very proactive in heading this guy off, he could have on a number of contacts with Jared, had him held for a 72 hour mental evaluation under AZ law."
I was carefully trying to think of what in gun law could or should have stopped this pyscho's purchase without destroying everyone else's rights. But first you would have to mark this sick man with a searchable record of what he had become. A background check wouldn't pick anything up if his friends, family, teachers and even the sheriff all had looked the other way.
I drove a bipolar woman against her will to the emergency room during an episode. She thought she was going to see her doctor, but he had said to take her to the emergency room. The doctor there heard and ignored my concerns, declared her no threat, prescribed her a narcotic and she was back in the same emergency room the next day this time with the 72 hour hold followed with criminal charges for killing someone with her car. For about 3/4 of a second I gave that same doctor an icy stare I think he will remember.
A slippery slope but somewhere we need to look into what your rights are or are not, as people around you see your grip on reality deteriorating.
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Reply #144 on:
January 12, 2011, 12:25:30 PM »
Quote from: DougMacG on January 12, 2011, 12:09:35 PM
A slippery slope but somewhere we need to look into what your rights are or are not, as people around you see your grip on reality deteriorating.
Life will never be safe. We all have people around us every day, that could hurt us, criminals, loners with nothing to lose, or people that are just angry and crazy. We will never stop them because we can't arrest people preemptively. To do so would result in a police state resembling the Cheka. This is why it is so important that we all remain capable of defending ourselves. For thousands of years, we all are ultimately responsible for our own safety.
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January 13, 2011, 06:49:06 PM »
The Pima county Sheriff is a douche.
The federal law says if you are adjudicated mentally defective (ill), then you will be denied by Instacheck. If you have some degree of mental illness, but have not gone before a judge, then there is no legal reason to deny the purchase. To place a person on a 72 hr. psych hold, a peace officer or medical professional (in general, in most all states) must reasonably believe that the person is a threat to self or others or is gravely disabled, unable to care for themselves. You must be able to articulate why you believe this to be the case. You face both civil and criminal liability for seizing a person and not having a judge finding the seizure reasonable. To be adjudicated, after the 72 hr. hold, the shrink must go before a judge and have the judge sign off on an involuntary commitment to a psych facility. Now, keep in mind that a career psych patient that always voluntarily committed themselves to inpatient treatment wouldn't have the paper trail to prevent them from being able to purchase a firearm.
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January 13, 2011, 07:13:59 PM »
Quote from: G M on January 13, 2011, 06:49:06 PM
Now, keep in mind that a career psych patient that always voluntarily committed themselves to inpatient treatment wouldn't have the paper trail to prevent them from being able to purchase a firearm.
That's odd. It was my understanding that the DOJ had access to any records, both criminal and psychiatric, that would preclude any ineligible person from having a firearm; meaning that obviously criminal records are turned over to NCIC and I'm reasonably certain that involuntary hold records are as well. Is the hang up the lack of law mandating that private sector psychiatrists are not required to break their patient's confidentiality in much the same way lawyers are barred from doing such?
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January 13, 2011, 07:35:48 PM »
GM, I agree. What I am getting at is that process needs to be possible and needs to be utilized. These people need at some point to be identified and marked, as sufficient information emergess, so they will fail the instacheck. It isn't happening so we are bound to repeat this and lose rights ourselves. Everyone who came in contact with him seemed to know of his mental health deterioration. Like getting your elderly parents at some point to quit driving, there needs to be a mechanism that is used. In child protection we have what we call mandatory reporters. The doctor, teacher etc. are required to report possible evidence. Very soon I think there will be bills floated in her name like we had with the Brady bill, further restricting rights of law abiding citizens. Maybe it will be forced tests for all in Obamacare with results in your government issued, embedded chip
if we don't quickly think of a better way. Zen wrote: "we all are ultimately responsible for our own safety". Please tell that to the 11 month old daughter I left out of the story, twice sent by separate ambulance to the emergency room in negligent crashes; the fatality was a woman properly standing in a median crosswalk. After conviction for child endangerment and vehicular homocide and real time served,she is again driving and 'no threat', with no oversight. Hopefully unarmed.
From the other posts I think we are looking in the same direction but need answers. There is a privacy issue and a liberty issue competing with a public safety issue.
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January 13, 2011, 07:41:53 PM »
As I understand, unless there is a legal proceeding where a person is committed to a psych facility against their will, there is no disqualification from purchase/possession of a firearm. DOJ would have no way of knowing about anything else.
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January 13, 2011, 07:48:06 PM »
There is no easy answer. In the old days, state mental hospitals housed lots of seriously mentally ill people. They also housed people that might be eccentric or non-conformist or otherwise not deserving of being deprived of personal freedoms.
Now, even the seriously mentally ill get stabilized on meds and kicked out the door. Few mentally ill in the US stay in psych facilities long term, unless they have the financial ability to pay for long term inpatient care.
Keep in mind that lots of guns in the US trade hands while never getting near a licensed dealer with instacheck.
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|Atlas May
|First appearance in comic
"Introduction 1"
January 3, 1884
|Place of Birth
St. Louis, Missouri
|Age at start of comic
Died in 1926 at age 42.
|Ivy (goddaughter)
Atlas May[1] was the owner and operator of the Little Daisy Cafe in St. Louis. [1] In 1920 he established the Lackadaisy Speakeasy in limestone caves located under the Little Daisy Cafe. The speakeasy was a success, but in 1926 Atlas was killed violently, though the exact circumstances have not been revealed.[2] The inheritance of Lackadaisy by Atlas's widow, Mitzi, and the subsequent decline of the speakeasy form the backdrop of the comic.
In the comic
Volume 1
"Arithmophobia" reveals that Mitzi keeps a portrait of Atlas in her office, and speaks to it on occasion. In "Rendezvous", Mitzi notes a picture of the former Lackadaisy crew, most notably Atlas, before she kisses Wick.
Volume 2
In "Portraiture", Mitzi again talks with the portrait of Atlas, noting that the guns used by the pig farmers were taken from Lackadaisy's storeroom, and that she will be confronting an "old friend" regarding a "wayward golden boy" of Atlas's. "Demurral" reveals the "old friend" to be Asa, while "Heartstrings" reveals the "golden boy" to be Mordecai, who according to Mitzi worked with Viktor for years. "Heartstrings" also reveals that Asa had made trade route agreements with Atlas. The agreements do not apply to Mitzi, and furthermore Asa is obeying the orders of his employer. Asa later states to Mitzi in "Loggerheads" that he warned Atlas that he was getting in over his head; this earns him a sharp look from Mordecai, who abruptly excuses himself. In "Hamstring", Mordecai asks Mitzi whether she believes that Asa warned Atlas; she replies that Asa probably just said that in order to intimidate her. While granting the possibility, Mordecai wonders whether there might be some truth to it; according to him Marigold has been concerned about something and dealing with it aggressively, though he does not know the root cause. Mitzi notes that, in any case, Asa could not know the circumstances surrounding Atlas's death unless Mordecai told Atlas something, but Mordecai states that he would not do such a thing. "Hamstring" includes a flashback of Mordecai with a gun in his hand standing opposite Mitzi, though it is unclear whether the gun is being passed from Mitzi to Mordecai or vice-versa or whether this is related to Atlas's death.
Wick confronts Mitzi about Atlas's death in "Veracity". She states that she played no part in it, and loved Atlas; she lets the mystery concerning it linger only because she does not like to talk about it, but offers to tell Wick about it in the future.
In "Medicament", Ivy tells Bobby and Elsa that Atlas was her godfather. Elsa notes that Atlas was, "difficult to read", but always seemed, "mild, softspoken". Bobby seems more dubious, referring to Atlas as, "positively Machiavellian", especially when he was escorted by Viktor and Mordecai. In "Gravediggers", Bobby continues to relate the story of their involvement with Lackadaisy - during the early days of Prohibition, when Atlas was still developing his empire, he arranged, possibly with Ruby's help, to have trains arriving in Defiance loaded with liquor. Bobby, Abelard and Elsa would store the liquor for Atlas. At some point, "cattle rustling, train robbing rabble" began to rob from them, going so far as to shoot their organ player. Atlas in turn brought Viktor and Mordecai to Defiance; upon catching one of the rabble, they began to bury him alive until he provided them with further information - the liquor that the rabble was stealing was in turn being sold to "boys from the city", who were involved in a turf war with Marigold. At this point Bobby is cut off by Elsa, who asks him not to tell Ivy more "awful stories", though Ivy is eager to hear more.
In "Bushwhack", Bobby continues his storytelling- Viktor and Mordecai's victim revealed that he and his allies would meet at a hunting lodge in Defiance to do business. Atlas watches from afar as Viktor and Mordecai use their victim to gain access to the lodge, then, after tossing in a grenade, go in shooting. In "Bookkeeper", Bobby tells Ivy that he believes Atlas found Mordecai while the latter was riding a getaway train towards Chicago or Detroit, and being pursued by unhappy associates of his. Bobby continues his ruminations in "Powder-keg", noting that Atlas viewed Mordecai's social issues as an asset, and was heavily involved in getting Mordecai settled and working for him in St. Louis. In "Transgression", Bobby tells Ivy that Viktor came to Atlas's attention when the former was involved in a confrontation between dockworkers, strikebreakers and the authorities after some union leaders were arrested as a result of Palmer Raids. Bobby says that according to Atlas, it was during this confrontation that Viktor lost his right eye; he was injured by a pry-bar in an effort by the police to subdue him. Atlas found a lawyer who arranged for Viktor's release after a reduced time in prison. Afterwards, Viktor worked for Atlas to pay off his debt, then continued to work for Atlas because he had no place else to go. Bobby concludes his tale in "Bygones": after the business with the lodge was concluded, Atlas returned to St. Louis with Mordecai while Viktor stayed in Defiance to keep an eye on things for a time. Atlas leveraged the dealings with the lodge to foster his relationship with Asa, whom he was already acquainted with. While spending his time at the Marigold Room, he also met Mitzi.
"Scrapbook" includes a picture of Asa and Atlas smoking together companionably, as well as a picture of Atlas with Mordecai.
Atlas appears in a New Year's picture taken in Lackadaisy in 1926, shown in "New Year".
Atlas was born in St. Louis on January 3, 1884[3], and stood a little over 6' tall.[4] Atlas was murdered in 1926, making him 42 years old when he died. Beyond business acumen Atlas was born with no advantages. At the time of his death, Lackadaisy was the city's most lucrative and most popular speakeasy.[5][6] Zib notes in "Scapegoat" that Atlas had a talent for "collecting strays" and providing them with "solid ground".
"Medicament" establishes that Atlas would on occasion visit Defiance, sometimes in the company of Viktor and Mordecai, and was familiar with Elsa and Bobby. Elsa recalls him as being, "difficult to read" but "mild, softspoken" while Bobby seems to have a less favorable impression, calling him, "positively Machiavellian".
According to Tracy, Atlas completed his primary education.[4]
In regards to Atlas's background, Tracy noted-
He's been deliberately left rather in the shadows - how the living characters remember him is the important thing - but I suppose it doesn't hurt to say that his parents were unremarkable lower-middle class sorts, he had two brothers, no extensive education, a short military career and a strong distaste for toiling under someone else's supervision following the war. He had also established in that arena that he had a sort of cool-headed, natural charisma of his own. Why did starting a speakeasy seem like a good idea? Because although alcohol had been largely outlawed, the demand for it was ever fervent, and he had himself a conveniently secret place in which to house and sell it.—Tracy, [4]
Atlas is depicted as a human in "Counterpart".
Atlas and Asa were friends.[4] Specifically, according to Bobby, while they'd been acquaintances prior to Atlas dealing with the lodge in Defiance, Atlas later used that situation to develop a stronger friendship with Asa.[7] "Heartstrings" establishes that while Asa and Atlas were also business rivals, they cooperated with regards to trade routes for their alcohol. Said agreements do not apply to Mitzi. A picture in "Scrapbook" shows Atlas and Asa sitting together companionably. In "Loggerheads", Asa tells Mitzi that he warned Atlas that he was getting in over his head.
Tracy elaborated on this-
They had known each other growing up and, before the Great War, had dipped their feet in criminal waters together, running underground poker games here and there. Later they established a definite friendship, but it existed on political and strategic terms, so it'd be difficult to dissect genuine friendliness from business friendliness. They did seem to actually enjoy each other's company, though.—Tracy, [8]
Atlas was Ivy's godfather.[9] He was a friend of Ruby, Ivy's father, when they were in school, and Ruby later assisted Atlas in liquor trafficking. Their relationship was close enough for Ruby to consider Atlas a sort of elder brother. Atlas knew Ivy, but not especially well.[4]
Prior to his demise, Atlas was married to Mitzi for approximately five years.[10][11] They met at the Marigold Room while she was a member of Zib's band.[7] She left a prior relationship to be with him.[12] "Hamstring" reveals that Mitzi and Mordecai have information regarding Atlas's death.
In "Veracity", Mitzi tells Wick that she loved Atlas and had no role in his death.
The first gift Atlas ever gave Mitzi was a pearl necklace that she is still wearing in "Vestige". She treasures it because he presented her with it just after she had performed the Mata Hari song, and she could not believe that someone like him was interested in her. The gift of the necklace made her feel like a lady. Zib was present when Atlas gave Mitzi the necklace, and in "Vestige" he compares it to a leash, and accidentally breaks it when Mitzi backs away from him while he is touching it.
Zib believes that Atlas knew Zib would never leave Lackadaisy unless Mitzi did.[13]
Regarding the beginning of his relationship with Mitzi-
At the outset, neither took it very seriously. They were each just someone to have a good time with, although Atlas seemed to have a way of making Mitzi feel a little less like herself and more like someone else - a sensation she evidently welcomed. It got a lot more serious when the band abruptly left town for another gig, and Atlas made a point of tracking her down.—Tracy, [14]
According to Bobby, Atlas found Mordecai while the latter was riding a getaway train towards Chicago or Detroit, and being pursued by unhappy associates of his.[15] Bobby believes that Atlas viewed Mordecai's social issues as an asset, and was heavily involved in getting Mordecai settled and working for him in St. Louis.[16]
When Mordecai began working for Lackadaisy, Atlas provided him with tailored clothing for the first time, and taught him the importance of presentation. Mordecai has dressed sharply ever since.[4]
In the present, Mordecai appears to have an atypical degree of interest in matters relating to Atlas, though it is unclear whether this is due to Atlas being his former employer, or whether Mordecai has other motivations. In "Monomania", Mitzi accuses Mordecai of overanalyzing a situation solely because Atlas was mentioned. "Scrapbook" includes a picture of Mordecai and Asa together.
"Rendezvous" is the first episode to indicate Mordecai's previous allegiance; it is revealed that there is a picture in Little Daisy showing Mordecai, Atlas, Viktor and other individuals together in the cafe. In "Portraiture", while speaking to Atlas's portrait Mitzi refers to Mordecai as "that wayward golden boy of yours". "Heartstrings" confirms that prior to Atlas's death Mordecai worked for him, and Mordecai shoots Asa a look when Asa claims to have warned Atlas that he was getting in over his head. In "Hamstring", Mordecai asks Mitzi whether she believes that Asa in fact warned Atlas, though she does not believe Asa, Mordecai notes that Asa may have been telling the truth. Mordecai does have information regarding Atlas's death, though he claims that Mitzi is the only other person he has shared it with.
According to Bobby in "Transgression", Viktor first came to Atlas's attention while the former was involved in a confrontation between dockworkers, strikebreakers and the authorities. Atlas found a lawyer for Viktor and succeeded in having Viktor's prison sentence reduced. In return Viktor went to work for Atlas to pay off his debt, and continued working for him because he had nowhere else to go.
In "Briar-patch", Wick confesses to having been interested in Mitzi since she was married to Atlas. Mitzi replies that Wick is fortunate that Atlas did not have him shot, though it is not explicitly clear whether Atlas was aware of Wick's interest in his wife.
In "Scapegoat", Zib muses to Virgil that Atlas knew that Zib would never leave Lackadaisy as long as Mitzi was there. Zib still hates Atlas for that.
Tracy has stated that there will be flashbacks in the comic to Atlas and Mitzi's married life.[12] She has also confirmed that the surname of "May" was chosen intentonally.[11]
- ^ a b "Introduction 1"
- ^ "Introduction 2"
- ^ Character Profile Page
- ^ a b c d e f Forum post by Tracy - January 27, 2011
- ^ Atlas's Original Profile
- ^ Forum FAQ
- ^ a b "Bygones"
- ^ Forum post by Tracy - December 9, 2012
- ^ "Medicament"
- ^ "Introduction 3"
- ^ a b Forum post by Tracy - May 20, 2007
- ^ a b Forum post by Tracy - October 6, 2009
- ^ "Scapegoat"
- ^ Forum post by Tracy - December 9, 2012
- ^ "Bookkeeper"
- ^ "Powder-keg"


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Immune Thrombocytopenia Purpura
(Idiopathic Thrombocytopenic Purpura; ITP)
Immune thrombocytopenia purpura (ITP) is a bleeding disorder. It is a reduction in the number of platelets in your blood. Platelets are small cells in your blood that stick together to form blood clots. These clots help stop bleeding at injury sites. Low platelet levels with ITP makes it easier to develop bruises or bleed even with minor injuries.
There are 2 types of ITP:
Acute ITP
- Lasts less than 6 months
- Usually occurs in children
- Most common type of ITP
Chronic ITP
- Lasts longer than 6 months
- Usually occurs in adults
ITP is caused by a problem with the immune system. The immune system places a tag on platelet cells. This tag mistakenly identifies platelets as foreign material. Organs like the spleen and liver will then remove the tagged platelets as they pass through in the blood. Gradually, this process will reduce the number of platelets in your blood. Eventually, the decreased levels of platelets will be severe enough to interfere with the blood's ability to clot.
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For most ITP, it is not clear what causes the problem with immune system. In children, ITP is often associated with a recent infection with a virus. ITP in adults has not been linked to viruses.
Some cases of ITP are thought to be caused by drugs or other immune disorders.
Risk Factors
Women, especially those younger than 40 years of age, are more likely to get ITP than men. Children with a recent viral infection or live virus vaccination are also at increased risk.
Both adults and children may notice the following symptoms:
- Easy bruising
- Blood in urine or stools
- Bleeding for longer than normal following an injury
- Unexplained nosebleeds
- Bleeding from the gums
- In adult women, heavier-than-normal menstrual periods
- Red dots—may occur in groups and resemble a rash
- Bleeding within the intestinal tract or brain—rare
You will be asked about your symptoms and medical history. A physical exam will be done.
Your bodily fluids will be tested. This can be done with:
- Blood tests
- Bone marrow tests
Treatment for ITP is different for children and adults. ITP is short term in most children. Most children will recover without any treatment. Adults are more likely to develop a chronic form of ITP. Not all of these chronic ITPs will require treatment. Talk with your doctor about the best plan for you.
Some treatment options include:
Medication may help to either slow the destruction of platelet cells or increase production of platelets. The overall goal is to maintain a healthy level of platelets in the blood.
To increase platelet counts in the blood, your doctor may advise:
- Steroids to lower the activity of the immune system and decrease the destruction of platelets
- Gamma globulin infusions to slow down platelet destruction; it usually works more quickly than steroids
Both of these treatments work, but both can have side effects.
Medication may also be given to stimulate platelet production. These medications may prevent the need for surgery.
Platelet Transfusion
A platelet transfusion may be used to prevent the platelet count from dropping too low.
A splenectomy may be done if medication is not effective.
A splenectomy is the removal of the spleen. The spleen is the main site of platelet destruction. Without your spleen, your platelet levels should begin to improve. However, the missing spleen also makes you more likely to get certain infections. This surgery is usually not done until all medication options have been tried.
Activity Changes
You may be asked to avoid certain activities when your platelet counts are low. This may include avoiding contact sports or wearing a helmet.
Since the cause of ITP is unknown, there are no specific ways of preventing it. However, bleeding and injury can be serious for people with ITP. To decrease the chance of bleeding injuries:
- Take precautions in your child's environment. Consider padding an infant's crib or play area.
- Make sure that older children wear helmets and protective gear when playing sports. This will help to reduce bruising injuries.
- Consider temporarily stopping contact sports such as football and rough game playing when platelet counts are low.
- Avoid medications that contain aspirin or ibuprofen. These medications can reduce platelet activity.
Family Doctor—American Academy of Family Physicians
National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute
Canadian Medical Association Journal
Health Canada
Bussel JB; Cheng G; et al. Eltrombopag for the treatment of chronic idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura. N Engl J Med. 2007 Nov 29;357(22):2237-2247.
Immune thrombocytopenia (ITP) in adults. EBSCO DynaMed Plus website. Available at: http://www.dynamed.com/topics/dmp~AN~T114263/Immune-thrombocytopenia-ITP-in-adults. Updated June 29, 2016. Accessed September 26, 2016.
George JN, Woolf SH, et al. Idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura: a practice guideline developed by explicit methods for The American Society of Hematology. Available at: http://www.ouhsc.edu/platelets/itp/ITP%20Publications/pub2%5F1.pdf. Accessed June 13, 2016.
Karpatkin S. Autoimmune (idiopathic) thrombocytopenic purpura. Lancet. 1997;349:1531-1536.
Newland A, Caulier MT, et al. An open-label, unit dose-finding study of AMG 531, a novel thrombopoiesis-stimulating peptibody, in patients with immune thrombocytopenic purpura. Br J Haematol. 2006 Nov;135(4):547-553.
What is immune thrombocytopenia? National Heart Lung and Blood Institute website. Available at: http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/health-topics/topics/itp/. Updated March 14, 2012. Accessed June 13, 2016.
Revision Information
- Reviewer: Michael J. Fucci, DO
- Review Date: 06/2016
- Update Date: 05/11/2013


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GREEN BAY — You hear it all the time, even from those who regard themselves as wise in the ways of pro football.
I heard it again last week, from one of the sagest individuals in the state press corps.
It's a simple yet pervasive line of thinking in the event that quarterback Aaron Rodgers should suffer an injury sidelining him for most if not all of the season.
The theory goes that it makes no difference what players might be behind Rodgers. If No. 12 goes down, all hope is lost — the Green Bay Packers would be finished.
Every coach, player and executive working at 1265 Lombardi Ave. should take that as a personal affront.
We've seen Mike McCarthy, Ted Thompson, their staffs and the players overcome more injuries in the last four seasons than any National Football League team. Time and time again they've lost key players only to plug in well-prepared backups and keep on winning.
They've never had to make do without possibly the finest player in the league. Losing Rodgers to major injury would be the nightmare of all nightmares. He makes everyone's job easier.
Yet, no organization would be better equipped to handle it than Green Bay.
Fools will cry that I'm jinxing Rodgers and the Packers by writing about this.
What I'm doing is taking a close look at the disaster plan that the Packers have rehearsed countless times behind closed doors. Lack of preparation is inexcusable, and these people didn't play the second half of the 45th Super Bowl without eight starters and still win by being unprepared.
Injury is the grimmest fact of life in the NFL. The Packers have been immune at quarterback for 21 years, but it doesn't represent the unthinkable for them. They're paid not just to meet catastrophe, but to conquer it.
Having spent much of the week researching the long career of No. 2 quarterback Seneca Wallace and the brief career of practice-squad quarterback Scott Tolzien, the guess here is that even if the Packers were to lose Rodgers early Monday night against the Chicago Bears they'd find ways to finish 11-5.
That probably would earn them one of the top three seedings in the NFC playoff field. Then Green Bay would be a tough out.
It's hard not to be bullish on the Packers at the midpoint of the season. Playing by far the meat of their schedule, they've gone 5-2 despite another unending succession of injuries. With Rodgers, they figure to go 14-2, 13-3 or 12-4.
Each Labor Day weekend, it's my assignment to rank the final 53 players not on how good they are but on their importance to the team. The perceived depth behind a player raises or lowers his ranking.
We're seven games into the season and already two of the top three on that list, four of the top six and six of the top nine have missed games due to injury.
Impressive injury track record
The Packers fell apart defensively in the second half and lost at Cincinnati after No. 2 Clay Matthews was lost with a hamstring injury. Then, after he fractured his thumb in the next game, they had a week to adjust and have gone 3-0 without him.
Morgan Burnett, the No. 3 man on the list, had to sit out the first three weeks. No. 5 Eddie Lacy missed almost two full games. No. 6 Randall Cobb has been out for 2 1/2 games and could miss at least seven more.
Jermichael Finley, the No. 8 player, survived 5 1/2 games but now could be headed for injured reserve. No. 9 Brad Jones will return Monday night after sitting out 3 1/2 games.
No. 12 James Jones has been out almost three full games. No. 17 Nick Perry has missed 2 1/2. No. 23 Casey Hayward wasn't able to make his debut until Game 7. No. 32 James Starks sat out three.
Neither Bryan Bulaga nor running back DuJuan Harris made the rankings because they were lost in August. Bulaga would have been in the top 15 and Harris was regarded as the starter by the coaches.
Matthews was indispensable, right? He's as complete as any linebacker in the game. Burnett? He's the only one capable of running the secondary.
Cobb? Such a big-play threat from the slot, the backfield and on returns. Finley? He was playing the best ball of his career. Brad Jones? He's the club's top cover linebacker and played 99% of the snaps in the first three games.
We've seen what happened. One after another, players procured by Thompson and his staff and developed by McCarthy and his staff elevated their games to levels no one on the outside could have seen coming.
It begs the question: Is anyone in Green Bay irreplaceable?
The Packers would much prefer not having to find that.
With so many new faces having proven their chops, one can sense that the level of confidence in that locker room is extremely high. As players return from injury there are intense competitive situations at position after position, which is precisely what coaches love seeing.
Should what some regard as a death knell strike at quarterback, the Packers would grieve, they'd cope and my feeling is they'd come together as an even more unified force.
Certainly, there is potential for a team to suffer some loss of hope without its leader and greatest player. As talented and committed as Rodgers is, and as rule changes increase the value of the quarterback position, the Packers are all but guaranteed no fewer than nine or 10 victories if he lines up 16 times.
I'd see it going the other way. This team is thinking Super Bowl all the way now, and to that end one could foresee a collective groundswell of emotion and effort with the express intention of proving the doomsayers wrong.
Injuries haven't touched either line. Largely because of that, this team can run the ball and stop the run, maybe the best friends a backup quarterback can have.
Healthy for now, Lacy and Starks provide a rip-roaring 1-2 punch at running back that rivals the finest in the NFL.
Jarrett Boykin and Myles White are legitimate wide receivers, and there is sufficient talent at tight end to hold the fort without Finley.
On pace to score 485 points, the Packers with Rodgers have a chance to challenge their 2011 scoring record of 560.
The Packers are five-deep at cornerback, mitigating weaknesses at safety by filling the fourth spot in the dime. You could say six of the nine linebackers have played better than expected.
Overall, the kickers and special teams have been adequate.
Which brings us to Seneca Wallace, 33, whose career was on life support before the Packers beckoned him Sept. 2 to supplant Vince Young and B.J. Coleman as Rodgers' backup.
It would be far from ideal. There was no quarterback school or training camp for Wallace in Green Bay, and all he gets in practice now is about 55% of the scout-team reps and a stray snap here and there with the No. 1s.
"He's a great person," said left tackle David Bakhtiari. "But he's never really been in the huddle for a game so I don't know how he'd react in a game situation."
Plenty of experience
Wallace, however, does have 1,573 regular-season snaps under his belt. Most of them came in Seattle, where coach Mike Holmgren and Thompson drafted him in the fourth round in 2003 because they wanted Matt Hasselbeck's backup to have an entirely different set of skills.
After backing up Hasselbeck and Trent Dilfer for two years, Wallace moved up to No. 2 in 2005 and then started 14 games for an injured Hasselbeck from 2006-'09.
He was traded to Cleveland in March 2010 for a seventh-round draft choice and given a $2 million signing bonus a year later. In two seasons for bad Browns teams, he started seven games.
Wallace's 6-15 record as a starter includes an 11-10 record against the spread. Thirteen of the teams that he started against finished with winning records, and 10 made the playoffs. His team was favored five times in those 21 games.
His career passer ratings are 81.3 in the regular season and 78.3 in exhibition games. His rushing totals are 293 and 256 yards, respectively. A speedy, gifted athlete with excellent toughness, he played about 30 snaps at wide receiver and made six receptions.
Wallace stands 5 feet 11 1/2 inches and weighs 206.
"If you have (height) requirements you just move on from him," Scot McCloughan, Seattle's director of college scouting in 2003, said at the time. "But he's a quarterback that's a winner. Whatever it takes."
The Seahawks saw Wallace pick up Holmgren's complicated West Coast system after diligent application, throw better deep balls than Hasselbeck and consistently slip and slide to avoid rushers and run for first downs. He has a compact delivery, good snap on the ball and accuracy moving to his right.
Besides height, the reason scouts say Wallace was never handed a starting job was indecision and lack of patience in the pocket together with average overall accuracy.
"He was in a very similar offense to Green Bay's for a long time," one personnel man said. "I think that's what Green Bay was counting on when they signed him."
Scouts rate Wallace
Last week, two scouts for AFC teams were asked to judge Wallace against the 31 other No. 2 quarterbacks.
The first preferred Wallace to 19 backups, took five over him and rated seven as a tossup. The second favored Wallace over 15 and the other 16 over him.
"His arm isn't bad," the second scout said. "What hinders him is he's not the tallest guy. But he can throw on the run and get out of trouble. I'd take him as a backup."
Wallace, and Bakhtiari for that matter, seemed a little uncomfortable talking about life without Rodgers. Wallace didn't sugar-coat the pitfalls of such a transition, but also expressed a quiet belief in himself.
"As a backup you need to feel you can go in and lead the team at any time the same way that 12 would lead the team," said Wallace. "Would it be pretty? No, we knew it wouldn't be pretty. There's going to be some timing issues and things like that.
"But I know…guaranteed, 100%…as weeks went on and I had to play back-to-back games, it'd be a lot better."
The Packers passed on Matt Flynn to keep preparing Wallace. After examining his resume and listening to him review his career, I can see why.
If Aaron Rodgers weren't available, the Packers possess the coaching, the personnel, the chemistry and the backup quarterback to win. Nothing would come easy, but by now this organization should be used to that.


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