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Theories - Origin of Life
Discussion of everything related to the Theory of Evolution.
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You should not misjudge why I have not taken up on the details of your assertions on NS.
You clearly are in need of some education on the subject so like all good teachers, when a pupil is missing a fundamental principle on a matter,it is good teaching practice to explain that first.
It appears, the reason you have those views is because of what Lynn Margulis recognised.
Her rather amusing description of the study of biology, actually does recognise a fundamental problem within the environment in which biology is conducted.
Many biologists have become fixated on DNA (the genome)
For instance take the stated goal of The Human genome project ( in the projects own description)
http://www.ornl.gov/sci/techresources/H ... bout.shtml
You don't find any mention of the cell as a whole unit.
Now why is this?
After all is not the genome just a part, albeit an important one, of cellular structure?
So lets remind ourselves on what actually is the role of DNA in the context of cellular processes.?
This is a molecule that by itself is without meaning for the organism, it cannot do anything.
Harvard biologist Richard Lewontin describes it as " a dead molecule among the most nonreactive, chemically inert molecules in the living world".
Are all molecules involved in life processes made by DNA?
The answer is clearly NO
1) As already noted DNA by itself cannot make anything.
2) Many of the molecules that a functioning cell uses, like lipids and carbohydrates, do not come from DNA. We note that the crucial functioning of metabolism, which is the transformation of nutrients in the cell, is not in any real sense controlled by DNA. In fact metabolic processes send signals to DNA when it's services are required.
3) The proteins and non coding RNA that do derive from DNA are extensively and significantly modified by processes in the cytoplasm, in order to function correctly. In other words DNA is just a rough template of what is required.
4) Enzymes and other proteins essential for transcribing DNA are not mere products of DNA because they already have to be existing to carry out the production.
5) DNA far from being responsible for everything in the cell, is itself the responsibility of the cell to be accurately preserved
In reality all the constituents parts, including DNA originate from the cell and organism as a whole.
How is this a fact and how do we know it?
Well lets take just one strand of information, the nuclear organisation of chromosomes.
Every chromosome is positioned in a particular region or domain of the nucleus, and this territorial positioning varies with tissue type and the stage of the organism's development.
Chromosomes or parts of them near the centre of the nucleus are more intensively expressed than those near the outer periphery, which tend to be repressed. (note this is just one very simple strand of knowledge)
Now this organisational structure has nothing to do with whether a random mutation effects a particular gene or whether natural selection somehow determines this positioning. Yet this positioning correlates very specifically with the differentiating process that makes the various types of cell and tissue.
This is a level of organisation clearly above that of DNA.
Now I could go on and enumerate further on chromosome organisation but that would just be re-enforcing the point.
Also the organisation of the cell involves much more than the chromosomes themselves.
The DNA code itself undergoes a metamorphosis.
For example certain bases are subject to methylation. This is not a simple tagging or marking of these bases, but a complete transformation of the molecules that display different qualities.
Some of these methylation patterns are inherited, but for the most part they are not, and for good reason.
The undifferentiated condition of the zygote is crucial for future development. It would be disastrous if tissue specific patterns of methylation in say liver or kidney were passed on to the zygote.
Therefore in general, these patterns need to be wiped clean.
This is achieved by a wave of demethylation that is passed along each chromosome shortly after the fertilization of an egg and is completed by the time of embryonic implantation in the uterus.
Then, along comes a fresh wave of methylaion that is shaped by the embryo itself and gives a fresh epigenetic start.
If this embryonic methylation is blocked the organism dies.
So this structuring and restructuring of DNA by the surrounding processes is as central to a developing organism as the DNA code itself. However this control does not eminate from DNA.
As I have pointed out, this is but a strand of epigenetic processes that are controlled by methods beyond DNA.
Following the initial draft of the Human genome project in 2001, William Bains, chief scientific officer at Amedis Pharmaceuticals in the United Kingdom, so rightly stated
The Parts List of Life," Nature Biotechnology 19 (2001): 401-402.
So what we have here is organisation at the very highest level controlling in a top down way DNA Methylation, Differentiation and all other processes.
One overarching control of cellular processes that keeps the cell in equilibrium, but which rapidly deteriorates back down to their constituent parts at death, when this control ceases.
Now again I could go on enumerating the way in which the various processes that we have so far understood, are controlled from higher layers of organisation within the cell.
Yet, and here is the point, we have an evolutionary view, posing as scientific, that tries to project the idea that this is all explained in a bottom up method, where the whole is simply a sum of it parts and even more than that, the whole is somehow brought about by random mutations on just one of it's parts, DNA.
Is this really a scientifically credible position to take.
There is clearly nothing random about cellular life processes.
And yet to point this out so often elicits such pejorative responses. You being a good example.
It seems to me that a philosophical raw nerve is being touched.
But, just to nail down this point, study this paper about the regulation by and of p53 master sensor of stress.
Tied Up in Loops: Positive and Negative Autoregulation of p53
In part it states
So here we have the master controlling sensor is itself subject to a master controlling process
(one of several regulatory loops) that dictates the fate of the organism.
This master loop, is in turn regulated, in various manners, by a whole series of "multi-layered" processes, including some that are themselves "subject to direct regulation by
mdm2" — that is, they are regulated by an element of the regulatory loop they are supposed to be regulating.
It is hard to begin to describe the stunning complexity surrounding and supporting the diverse performances of the p53 protein. But it is now clear that such "regulatory" processes extend outward almost without limit, connecting in one way or another with virtually every aspect of the cell. ( And all of this is supposed to have come about by random unguided processes, Really!!)
So please when you make statements such as you have that
(a)You are certainly not speaking from knowledge of cellular processes.
(b) Your understanding of complexity is certainly in need of further education.
Now with that little bit of education which hopefully you will have absorbed, I will be able to take you a bit further down the path of your Natural Selection ideas.
The Human genome project is interested (only) in DNA? You must be kidding! And I though that the genome projects get usually involved in proteomics and metobolomics as well.
Again and again all the same bullshit, huh? Without DNA you will get nothing. If there are no genes, there are no lipids, no sugars, no proteins, no siRNA. Of course DNA doesn't do any real work, but guess what. That's how is it going in the cell. Nobody is arguing about that.
At least on that link, before you use it as argument. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/journals/ As you can see it is PubMed Central - Journal List i. e. list of journals listed in PubMed Central. Obviously nothing as PubMed journal.
Cis or trans? That's what matters.
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You're a real hoot, scottie. The only thing a creationist can teach me is how to close my mind, which I'm reluctant to do. I haven't bothered to read very much of your last post, but what I did see didn't inspire me to waste my time on it. You might better serve yourself by being succinct and organised.
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Scottie, I'd like to point out that you have not yet replied to my most recent post.
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In fact I should apologizing for posting by error only the beginning of an answer to take care of my mini monster at home, and never corrected or completed as I did not have time to come and correct my mistake. So yes, Scottie I will not argue your lack of attention to details.
What I wanted to say is that your wondrous paper written by the now provably mentally troubled Dr Abel (see astrasequi post), and the competent but Weird Jack Trevors in Theoretical Biology & Medical Modelling, although published does not have garnered a strong interest: If you look on google scholar you will notice that it has been only cited by its own authors. Usually not a good sign. As a biologist, and not an information scientist, it is hard to comment on the content. Neither has the notion of functional sequence complexity, which seems to have originated in this paper, seem to have caught on much beyond Dr Abel's own paper.
But if I understand what is explained Abel and Trevors are arguing that in order to create a self replicating molecule, it would somehow require that a molecule was able to constrain the sequence that will follow (i.e If A then B then C then D, etc...) in order to be able too create enough copy of itself. That would be interesting, but AFAIK that is not what evolution argue. Which would be closer than a molecule that made it just a bit more likely to increase the formation of identical molecules in solution was our very first ancestor. In fact that the monomers do not need to carry any information, just that a finished product can constrain the world around it. And since that would make the notion of FSC irrelevant, that would explain why the absence of disproving the 4 null hypothesis as little to no interest.
But before you answer this post will you answer my question about the circularity of the designer argument? Or even Astrasequi's question.
By the way, I am tired of your refusal to answer direct questions simply and your refusal to enter a discussion. So will you finally answer? Preferably in less than your usual 140 + k signs
Science has proof without any certainty. Creationists have certainty without
any proof. (Ashley Montague)
In order for a origin of membrane - much organic matter is not necessary - only the membrane lipids of different isoforms, it is necessary also to a weak emission core of the star created a flow of heat through the surface phase transition, and yet not interfere with a certain oscillation - vibration … In general, all this is difficult to discuss now, not yet studied the process of emergence and functioning in a natural cell membrane of this very … - Active situational model - a kind of natural intelligence and personality!! But when it all becomes clear, then we can speculate about the conditions and awakening him to the protostar, or on some planet out there.
So. Life has two interacting components. One component - natural intelligence. The second component - the polypeptide-nucleic technology - a self-contained database on DNA, which is implemented through the input-output - RNA into the polypeptide interface. What comes first? I believe that natural intelligence is primary, and polypeptide-nucleic technology - is secondary. In this sense, the theory of "Evolution of the primary replicators to Homo Sapiens" should be replaced by a theory of "Abiogenesis, and social development of the primary natural intelligence", which later created and developed polypeptide-nucleic technology. http://richarddawkins.net/articles/6435 ... egin#page4
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Well, 1st, it depends on what you choose to use as a starting point to measure your "natural". (sorry for the delay, by the way). Life is a sophisticated carbon-based nanotechnology and it heavily relies on preconditions. Where did the preconditions for the complex life come from? AstraSequi , on the previous page, used dice in the example ( "If you roll a pair of dice, your chance of a double 6 is quite low (1/36). However, if you try… a hundred times times, ...it would be more surprising if you didn't get it at least once." ) What if I give you a pair of dice with no 6 present on them at all, how many tries do you need to roll a double 6? I've tried to make this point several times… Why do you assume that preconditions just happened? For instance, what known cosmic law states that every universe popping into existence must have so many constants in physics? What known cosmic law requires nuclear resonances in the creation of fundamental blocks of life (Carbon and Oxygen, in our case) to be so "tuned"? ......the point is that you choose to assume that all the fundamental pillars of our existence just happened through some unknown, but purely mechanistic and unguided processes. Now, I can't find my membership card of the The National Academy of Sciences and my pooch has chewed the certificate confirming my Ph.D. in Molecular Genetics, but I'll risk to state that I see one fat-%#s axiom sitting in the foundation of your reasoning that leads you to that concept of "unlikely" behind the idea of "creation". Evolution doesn't really seem to falsify creation, it falsifies the meaning you put into the word creation (the way you believe it should've happened if it were true).
Here is the original opinion on F. Collins' Brown Rat one by Sternberg I mentioned before http://www.evolutionnews.org/2010/03/be ... 32981.html (maybe it's just a reprint on ID site, but that's where the Scottie's opinion in this case came from). I've really got no time to google them all up, but I'd say that I think that at least 50% (and it's very conservative estimate) of the opinions presented by Scottie were most likely originated by the peers of the papers' authors. But those are opinions. End if studies' authors have atheistic opinions attached to the findings of their research, those are also just opinions. That's where I differ from both you and Scottie… ALL of us are not talking science here. We're talking philosophy encrusted with supporting scientific evidence. Speaking of which….
It's not that there is no evidence of what you call "supernatural" (don't really like this word). It's what you would or wouldn't accept as evidence. Scientific method works well with the evidence which supports purely mechanistic and consistently replicable natural phenomena. For instance, nobody questions the validity of the quantum entanglement in physics, even though this bizarre phenomenon is absolutely not understood and appears to be rooted somewhere beyond the realm of observable reality. Why? Because it's easily replicable in any properly equipped lab in the world. Once you move into grey areas, scientific method can (and does) sometimes falter under the weight of biases, preconceptions, dominant believes, politics, etc. Here is an interesting article on that http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010 ... ntPage=all ). The article describes the "decline effect"… A couple of extracts: "...selective reporting is everywhere in science….We cannot escape the troubling conclusion that some—perhaps many—cherished generalities are at best exaggerated in their biological significance and at worst a collective illusion nurtured by strong a-priori beliefs often repeated." ….. Such anomalies demonstrate the slipperiness of empiricism. …. We like to pretend that our experiments define the truth for us. But that's often not the case. Just because an idea is true doesn't mean it can be proved. And just because an idea can be proved doesn't mean it's true. When the experiments are done, we still have to choose what to believe."
So....for example, would you accept a possibility of "supernatural" explanation for this http://www.sheldrake.org/Articles&Paper ... e_abs.html ? Why not? If there is something else out there as far as general relativity and quantum physics go, why our (and animal) consciousness is being ordered to stay within our skulls if the experiments above (and collective experiences of numerous people) suggest other possibilities? Has our consciousness been already dissected and reduced to the molecules in our brains?
And one more thing........ about collective experiences. I like science, but I don't like scientism. Yes, everything that goes on in heads is subjective (as you've put it), but it's still an experience. If these collective experiences make similar independent claims (across different ages, continents and cultures), it makes me suspicious that there might be something behind them. When Dawkins was asked about it, he said that his personal "anecdotal experiences" © do not matter. Well, not everyone is as lucky as Dawkins.
To make a long story short… I view the position outlined by neuroscientist D. Eagleman ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Possibilianism )as being more scientifically honest: "Our ignorance of the cosmos is too vast to commit to atheism, and yet we know too much to commit to a particular religion. A third position, agnosticism, is often an uninteresting stance in which a person simply questions whether his traditional religious story (say, a man with a beard on a cloud) is true or not true. But with Possibilianism I'm hoping to define a new position -- one that emphasizes the exploration of new, unconsidered possibilities. Possibilianism is comfortable holding multiple ideas in mind; it is not interested in committing to any particular story."
This one is easy. To become a deist or an atheist or …. whoever other non-certifiably-theist, one has to start thinking. Thinking, just like anything else, requires prerequisites – extra time, education, etc. And most of the people just do not have that kind of luxury. Most of the people in this world are born into their believes, and after that they literally survive on several bucks a day; therefore, they do not think about the origins of their existence, but they mostly think about how to maintain their existence and how not to pop out of it prematurely. And why would anyone be deterred from independent thinking by the "majority" argument anyway? Even in science there is an expression "Science advances one funeral at a time". And outside of science, following the majority is one of the most assured way to fall off the cliff.
Actually, I also stumbled over this one. Complex systems are indeed complex because they have a gadzillion number of variables defining them. We owe to this complexity, without it no complex creatures would exist (that's how I started this post). But outside of our bodies, complex interactions result in what is studied by the chaos theory. If I try to predict a precise trajectory of a little slice of, ….. lets say, polyurethane foam sucked into my vacuum cleaner, I doubt that it can be easily done. But based on the "controlling influence" of the vacuum cleaner properties and, most importantly, the "controlling influence" of the structure of polyurethane, I can predict that not only my slice of foam will stay intact, but it will also "adapt" its shape to the shape of the trash it's squeezed against inside, whatever that may end up to be. You take that embedded "plasticity" that took us from a cosmic dot to Precambrian slime to A. Einstein for granted, and I have to be convinced.
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You are very right and very wrong at the same time. You are right that no law or anything else requires anything from any universe popping in existence. And that the fact that all the atoms are tuned so wonderfully (whatever that means) is essential to our existence. But you are very wrong in that it is not because of us that those things are so well tuned to allow life, but that life as we know it is there only because all those stuff happened to work together. If they had not been, you would not be there mistaking causes for consequences. For all we know there might be an infinite number of universe devoid of stupid creatures to wonder how nice was their non existent creator to tune everything to allow them to exist...
Science has proof without any certainty. Creationists have certainty without
any proof. (Ashley Montague)
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...I'm quite sure I was talking about something completely different, specifically mutations. The analogy is meant to show that if there is a small chance of something, then you can be very certain of getting lucky if you try enough times. You can replace the analogy with two one-million-sided dice if you want, so long as you get a trillion chances.
If you want to claim that there is literally zero chance for something to happen, you need a rigorous mathematical proof - nothing else is sufficient.
Also, a few other points that I thought I should mention (I suppose I'm jumping into someone else's discussion, but I like talking about science at the philosophical level ):
It is not an assumption - it's just that there is no evidence in any direction (at least as far as I know). For example, there is no way to falsify the hypothesis that our universe was created by highly advanced aliens, and I probably wouldn't be surprised if this were true. However, since pretty much everything else in physics is "mechanistic and unguided," it is reasonable to say that this might be as well.
Also, if you wish to make a fine-tuning argument, you must remember to consider the anthropic principle. (See http://www.anthropic-principle.com/primer.html, and also canalon's previous post.)
I don't think this makes sense. The only thing that you can falsify is a hypothesis.
The scientific method works well with consistently replicable phenomena. As long as causality exists and remains consistent, the scientific method will work.
The probability of bias or error in a single study is much higher than the probability that a "supernatural" force exists, times the probability that this force enables telepathy over long distances, times the probability that it is occuring in this circumstance, times the probability that nobody else would have found rigorous evidence for it even though it actually existed...This is where you get the phrase, "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."
That being said, a possibility? Sure - the only impossibilities are those that have mathematical proofs behind them. However, the probability is so low, given our current state of knowledge about how the universe works, that it is not reasonable to think that it might be true.
Also, perhaps on an unrelated note - the definition of "supernatural" is basically equivalent to "that which cannot be explained by science," so I would call it a truism that science only explains things that are "natural." If science explains something, then it is no longer considered supernatural (for example - sunrise, reproduction, rainbows.) So I would say that I don't like using the word "supernatural" either.
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Thanks guys, you've saved me a lot of bother. For me, "supernatural" simply means outside of nature.
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You're welcome, then. (Still, though, I didn't respond to everything, if there's anything else you want to reply to.)
I agree with this as well - I would just say that "nature" is the same thing as "everything that can (in principle) be explained by science." I can't really think of anything that might be in principle unexplainable by science - or perhaps a better way to say it would be, something that is impossible in principle to gather evidence about, under any circumstances of time, space, etc - yet not be considered "supernatural."
Of course, part of the point was that the word doesn't have a very useful meaning, so I suppose it doesn't matter.
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I have just returned to the forum after being away for a few days.
Which question of yours do you wish me to address?
Canalon could you repeat your question please.
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Interstate 90/39 crash backing up traffic at Janesville
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Thursday, February 13, 2014
JANESVILLE—An accident on southbound Interstate 90/39 at Janesville backed up traffic around midday Thursday.
The accident, with injuries, was just south of the Highway 14 interchange around 11:40 a.m. Thursday.
The Janesville Fire Department reported transporting two injured people to St. Mary's Janesville Hospital with injuries that were not considered serious.
A Gazette reporter on the scene said at 12:30 p.m. that the scene appears to have been cleared, and slow-moving traffic should start returning to normal.
The end of a guardrail looks torn up from an impact, and a semitrailer truck with its front end damaged was in the median.
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Top prospects Cowart, Cron given room to grow in '13
With plenty of big-league talent already, the Angels have time to develop their system
By Evan Drellich / MLB.com
The future success of every Major League team lies largely in its Minor League pipeline. With that in mind, MLB.com is looking at each team's farm system, from the Top 20 Prospects to under-the-radar types.
The Angels are a veteran team and -- by most accounts -- a stacked team. There's not a whole lot of room for MLB.com's Top 20 prospects to come into camp, wow people, and make the club.
That situation can be a good one for prospects -- getting your feet wet without the pressure to perform right away -- and the Angels are in that situation, at least in part, on purpose.
"That's by design a little bit, to try to give some of our guys in the system time," said assistant general manager Scott Servais, who oversees the Halos' scouting and player development. "And there's no rush. There's no rush on [Kaleb] Cowart, there's no rush on [C.J.] Cron, really any of these guys, and pitchers they kind of move at their own pace. … It's just where our club is at."
The system's a little younger this year, and there's no Mike Trout-esque talents waiting in the wings, but there are some lead names.
MLB.com's top Angels prospect, third baseman Kaleb Cowart, has an invite to big-league camp, along with outfielder Randal Grichuk (No. 7), right-hander AJ Schugel (16), shortstop Eric Stamets (17) and second baseman Alex Yarbrough (18). A switch-hitter and a 2010 first-round Draft pick, Cowart has a plus arm to go with the 16 home runs he hit in Class A last season.
After spring, the action heads to Arkansas. Cowart will be just one of the big names on what should be a stacked Double-A Arkansas team. First baseman C.J. Cron, who's coming back from surgery for a torn labrum in his right shoulder (his throwing arm), should be there too, along with Yarbrough, Stamets and outfielder Travis Witherspoon (No. 8).
At one point, the 23-year-old Cron appeared questionable for full health by Opening Day, but Servais said he's "in a good spot."
"His throwing program, he's throwing pain free, he was out to about 90 to 100 feet and [that was when we were] still about a month out from camp starting," Servais said. "I know initially we didn't really know if he could start Opening Day, he's going to be ready by that time."
The team's top pick in 2011, Cron has had no problem hitting. Throwing's the test. He had a .293/.327/.516 line in 130 High-A games last season, with 27 home runs to boot.
Top 20 prospects
Right-hander Cam Bedrosian, the 29th overall pick in 2010, came back from Tommy John surgery in 2012, and the results weren't there. The 21-year-old went 3-11 with a 6.31 ERA, and that dropped his ranking to No. 20 this season.
But, coming off the surgery, the club's goal for the once upper-echelon prospect was at minimum to stay healthy. The elbow appears fine, but the velocity hasn't returned. Servais said a switch to the bullpen could help bring it back.
"We did see flashes of that come back in instructional league late," Servais said. "It's a big year for Cam. We knew last year, just getting through the whole year healthy and free of any elbow issues was going to be key. I look for him to kind of jump up. We're going to start him and he may eventually go into the bullpen, and that's when I think you could see the velocity come back."
There will be a decision to make with the team's No. 2 prospect, left-hander Nick Maronde, if he doesn't make the Major League club out of Spring Training.
"Does he go back to the Minor Leagues and start?" Servais said. "Or do we just keep him in the bullpen row and keep him [relieving] if needed in the big leagues?"
angels' top prospects
|Kaleb Cowart
|Nick Maronde
|C.J. Cron
|Taylor Lindsey
|Kole Calhoun
Under the Radar
The Angels signed a left-handed outfielder from the Dominican Republic named Natanael Delgado in August, and the 17-year-old looks a bit like Curtis Granderson. He'll be in Rookie ball, but he's one to watch.
Reid Scoggins, a 15th-round right-hander in last year's Draft, was 94-97 mph in the instructional league with a legitimate breaking ball, too. The 22-year-old from Texas has just 20 1/3 innings under his belt.
Hitter of the Year: Cron
Cron, if healthy, could very well hit 30 home runs for Arkansas.
Pitcher of the Year: Alfonso Alcantara
Right-hander Alfonso Alcantara has high-90s velocity. He'll be debuting in the U.S. this year after a dominant showing in the Dominican Summer League. That dominance should translate at the lower levels of the Minors.
Evan Drellich is a reporter for MLB.com. Follow him on Twitter @EvanDrellich. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.


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The main purpose of the Net Panel is to monitor HTTP traffic initiated by a web page and simply present all collected and computed information to the user. Its content is composed of a list of entries where each entry represents one request/response round trip made by the page.
- 1 Options Menu
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- 3 Search
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- 6 See also
Options Menu
This menu is reachable via the little arrow in the panel tab ( ) or by right-clicking on on the panel tab (since Firebug 1.9).
|Enables the Net Panel
|Disable Browser Cache
|Disables/enables browser HTTP cache.
|Show Paint Events
| Specifies whether DOM paint events shall be shown as vertical lines inside the Net Panel
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|Show BF Cache Responses
|Specifies whether HTTP responses coming from the BFCache should be displayed.
For more info about tweaks available in Firebug please see the full list of preferences.
Panel Toolbar
Break On XHR
Clicking the "Break On XHR" button ( ) enables a listener for XMLHttpRequests. If an XHR is made then, the debugger stops the script execution immediately and jumps to the Script Panel.
Removes all entries of the list of requests.
When this option is enabled, the entries of the requests list are not deleted when reloading the page. Instead the are grouped by page request, which means, when reloading the page several times you will get several request trees having the page title as root.
There are several buttons for filtering the current list of requests for giving a fast overview over the files you want to see. Following there's a list of the currently implemented filters:
|file types
|Displays all requests
|Limits display to markup files
|(X)HTML, XML, MathML, RSS, RDF
|Limits display to CSS files
|Limits display to JavaScript files
|Limits display to XMLHttpRequests
|Limits display to image files
|Limits display to Flash and Silverlight files
|Limits display to media files
|MP3, Ogg, WAV, MIDI, WebM, MPEG, FLV
|Limits display to font files
You have the possibility to search inside the different requests. Thereby besides the general options for case sensitivity and regular expression search you can optionally also search inside the request bodies.
Request List
The main part of the Net Panel is the Request List. When the Net Panel is activated and a page is loaded it starts filling with all HTTP requests made by a page. Each entry displays basic info about the request and a graphical Timeline that depicts load phases in time. The following is a list of information, that is displayed for each request:
- HTTP request method
- HTTP response code and description
- Requested file name (shortened; hovering it shows the entire URL)
- Domain name from where the response came from
- Size of the response (compressed size in case of compressed responses)
- Graphical Timeline and load time info
Depending on their loading status and source the requests are displayed differently:
|Normal finished requests
|Requests fetched from the server
|Loading requests
|Requests currently being fetched from the server
|Cached requests
|Requests with response coming from the browser cache (HTTP status code 304)
|BFCached requests
|Requests with response coming from the BFCache
|Erroneous requests
|Requests, which returned an HTTP error (HTTP status code 4xx or 5xx)
|Aborted requests
|Requests, which were aborted
Besides that there is a summary at the bottom of the Request List. This summary contains info about the total number of requests, the total file size and the total page load time.
Request & Response Details
Every request entry can be expanded by clicking on the left hand twisty in order to see additional info. It's important to note that the entry actually represents both: the request sent to the server and also the response coming back. No matter if it comes from the server or the browser cache, one request-response round-trip is represented by one entry in the list. There are several tabs shown for each request. Depending on the request method and requested file type there are additional tabs with further information. Here's a list of the tabs shown for the different requests:
|Lists the request and response headers of the current request
|Displays the contents of the response unformatted (as they came from the server)
|GET request
|Displays the URL parameters
|POST request
|Displays the POST parameters incl. the source
|HTML files
|Displays the rendered HTML output
|JSON files
|Displays the JSON data in a formatted tree structure similar to the DOM Panel
|XML files
|Displays the XML data in a formatted tree structure similar to the HTML Panel
|Cached files
|Lists cache information to the current request
There can be also other tabs coming from Firebug extensions. An example is a Cookies tab that shows all sent and received cookies for a request. This tab comes from the Firecookie extension.
Cache Info
Some files are fetched from the browse cache. They can be recognised by the response status "304 Not Modified". The Cache Tab includes the following information:
|Last Modified
|Last time the cache entry was modified
|Last Fetched
|Last time the cache entry was accessed
|Expiration time of the cache entry
|Data Size
|Cache entry data size
|Fetch Count
|Number of times the cache entry has been accessed
|ID for the device that stores this cache entry
One of the most useful features for debugging page load performance is a request Timeline. The Net Panel uses this graphical representation to show request load in time together with timing data.
Request Timeline
Every request-response round trip is shown as horizontal bar in the Timeline and is composed of several phases, represented by different colors. Hovering a Request Timeline offers more detailed information about the timings of the different phases.
| Time spent in a browser queue waiting for a network connection (formerly called Queueing)
For SSL connections this includes the SSL Handshake and the OCSP validation step.
|DNS Lookup
|DNS resolution time
|Elapsed time required to create a TCP connection
|Sending request headers
|Waiting for a response from the server
/(from cache)
|Time required to read the entire response from the server (and/or time required to read from cache)
|'DOMContentLoaded' (event)
|(blue line)
|Point in time when DOMContentLoaded event was fired (since the beginning of the request, can be negative if the request has been started after the event)
|'load' (event)
|(red line)
|Point in time when the page load event was fired (since the beginning of the request, can be negative if the request has been started after the event)
|'MozAfterPaint' (event)
|(green line)
|Point in time when a MozAfterPaint event was fired (since the beginning of the request, can be negative if the request has been started after the event)
|Time stamp
|(olive line)
| Time stamp created via
Waterfall Graph Time Extent
In order to keep the X axis (time) in sensible extent, the waterfall graph breaks the time and starts displaying new requests that start later (in the page life) again from the beginning. In other words, a request, that starts after a predefined period of time (1s by default) since the previous request finished, starts from 0 time of the graph again. This avoids endless extension of the X axis, which would make the graph less readable. There is a preference extensions.firebug.netPhaseInterval allowing you to set the gap in milliseconds, after which the time break should happen. If set to 0, breaking doesn't happen at all.
Breakpoint Column
Setting breakpoints
The Breakpoint Column allows you to set breakpoints for XMLHttpRequests. By clicking on it a breakpoint is set for the request. Clicking it again removes the breakpoint again.
Breakpoint conditions
You can create a conditional breakpoint by right-clicking a breakpoint. Doing so opens the Breakpoint Condition Editor:
There are variables available, which can be used within the expression:
Every request-response round trip is shown as horizontal bar in the Timeline and is composed of several phases, represented by different colors. Hovering a Request Timeline offers more detailed information about the timings of the different phases.
|Response content of the POST request
|<parameter name>
|Parameters used within the POST request
Context options
If you right-click on a request, the context menu offers you several options to copy data to the clipboard including the location, the request headers, the response headers and the response body (except for binary files). Furthermore you can open the request in a new tab (which keeps the request method) or open the response in a new tab. For CSS files you even have the possibility to open the file in the CSS Panel or inspect it inside the DOM Panel.


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The development of Cranley's (1981) Maternal Fetal Attachment Scale (MFAS) has stimulated a great deal of research and discussion about the theories, methods and moderating factors affecting prenatal attachment. However, there has been considerable questioning of the validity of the MFAS.
Pregnant women have been prescribed bed rest for a variety of reasons: preterm labor, incompetent cervix, high-blood pressure, multiple gestation, placenta previa, and many other patient-specific complications. However, while the prescription of bed rest has become routine, the effectiveness of this potentially harmful treatment is still controversial. Pregnant women that are confined to bed rest are at an increased risk for physical, emotional and economic hardships.
Objective: An analysis of a pre-existing data set of 606 inner city pregnant women collected by the Fetal Alcohol Research Center of Wayne State University School of Medicine in Detroit, Michigan, was conducted to determine if the inclusion of psychosocial variables would improve the prediction of low birth weight.
The mothers of 15 asthmatic children were treated with a therapy that repaired the bonding between their children and them. Twelve children's asthma symptoms improved; of the 10 who were regularly taking medications, 8 no longer needed them. Improvement seemed dependent upon age, with children under 9 having the greatest benefit. All 7 Mexican-American children improved, using a Bilingual Bicultural counselor to treat the mothers.
A mother's violent behavior toward her child is related to her psychological well-being. Mothers who were violent with their children had been raised by a mother with an inappropriate parenting attitude. Anxiety related to this attitude was also associated with violent maternal behavior. Mothers who demonstrated low level of attachment to their child from the fetus to 4 years of age engaged in violence toward their 4-year-old children. Maternal violence was also associated with decreased bonding with the baby during pregnancy.
This article is an adaptation of a chapter in a text edited by Marci Green and published by Karnac and is based on the ideas explored in The Developing Mind: How relationships and the brain interact to shape who we are (Guilford, 1999) and Parenting from the Inside Out: How a deeper self-understanding can help you raise children who thrive (with Mary Hartzell [2003]). It has been summarized in part in the article, The Mind, the Brain, and Human Relationships (Gynaelcology Forum International, 2003) and published online under the current title by Enneagram Monthly.
Adaptation and Resilience in Early Life: Implications of the New Developmental Neurobiology for Clinical PracticeAbstract:
Growing research interest in the connections between early experience and developmental outcome-in combination with technological innovations that have made possible measurement of mental process in a way never before possible-have wiped out the last vestiges of dichotomous (mind-body) thinking, and have opened the way to new understandings about how we become the people we become. This paper summarizes some aspects of the new research in developmental neurobiology, and suggests implications for understanding the behavior of both children and adults.
There is an increasing body of evidence indicating that prenatal and perinatal factors predispose to externalizing behavior in the offspring. This paper first reviews recent empirical research on prenatal and perinatal complications and externalizing behavior. Brain dysfunction mechanisms are then discussed. It is suggested that (a) birth complications can cause brain damage and (b) brain damage can predispose to antisocial and violent behavior. Finally, the paper argues that prevention strategies using a multidisciplinary approach may help reduce prenatal and perinatal complications.
Current estimates of the incidence of childhood sexual abuse range from 12% to 40%, indicating that a significant number of women enter pregnancy, labor and birth with past experiences of trauma. Recent quantitative research results have revealed little significant difference in rates of obstetrical complications and pregnancy outcomes in women reporting histories of childhood sexual abuse and those reporting no history of childhood sexual abuse.
Awareness may be suppressed in more than 90% of childbirths today, as a basis for the overuse of other medical interventions in the labor and delivery process. Current childbirth education programs offered by the medical establishment support the prevalent use of risky procedures that may impair biological and psychological health. The quality of awareness in the pregnant woman and the womb child may be the most essential value pivotal to needed decisive change in childbirth medicine and education.


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All businesses, large and small, are well-advised to critically assess their intellectual property on an ongoing basis. Patent, trademark or copyright law may not adequately protect valuable business information like strategic plans, customer lists, compiled information, useful techniques and unsuccessful ventures. Yet companies can protect information that contributes to an economic advantage as a trade secret — a recognized form of IP — by actively preventing its disclosure outside the company.
The key algorithm, the special sauce, the original recipe — certainly these obvious sources of trade secrets should be included in the overall IP strategy. But other information should not be ignored. Almost any information can be kept as a trade secret, except general knowledge in the field, general ideas and concepts, and information about how a something in the public works. With such a broad definition, it's safe to presume that almost all companies in operation are in possession of some information that could be protectable as a trade secret given this broad definition.
Criminal and civil laws protect against misappropriation of information held as a trade secret. In general, courts will grant relief to a trade secret owner against a party with unauthorized access to the trade secret provided it can prove the three basic elements of a trade secret misappropriation claim:
- The information must derive its value because it is a genuine secret — it is not generally known to others, and economic harm would result to its owner if it is disclosed
- The owner must take reasonable precautions to limit access to the information to maintain its secrecy
- An unauthorized party received the information wrongfully, for example, through breach of a contractual or implied duty, using the information without license, or through outright theft or other unlawful activity
Adequate trade secret protection and the strength of a legal claim in the event of theft or misappropriation of the information will depend on how a company navigates two interdependent points of flexibility: identifying the trade secret in the first place, and then determining those reasonable steps needed to protect it.
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Secrecy is the starting point — secrecy creates information that confers a special economic advantage or benefit to the owner's business because others do not know it. Almost by definition, generally-known information cannot specifically contribute to the success of a business relative to its competitors. But secret information, and the active steps required to ensure its secrecy, may create a protectable business interest that adds to the overall value of a commercial enterprise.
Once identified, it is important to take active steps to safeguard the trade secret by limiting its internal access. There are no specifics for these steps, but in general, more valuable information must be afforded more precaution. Part of proving the wrongfulness of the unauthorized party's acquisition of a trade secret will consider the reasonableness of the steps taken to circumvent those security measures in place to prevent the unauthorized disclosure.
Identification means that the trade secret information is clear and distinct from other information. Personnel with access to and knowledge of trade secret information should recognize the need to handle it securely according to a specific protocol. Courts will not automatically presume that your employees will recognize what information is a trade secret and understand their obligation to maintain secrecy.
Documenting the variety of trade secrets and security measures in place to protect them is essential, as this documentation will form the foundation of any court case later brought to enforce rights. In fact, in a few states, a plaintiff in a trade secret misappropriation claim must specifically identify the trade secrets at issue as a condition to obtaining relief. And the relief available to remedy trade secret misappropriation can be considerable depending on the value of the asset at issue or the level of misconduct involved in obtaining it: from economic damages to injunctive relief to fines and jail time in parallel criminal cases the government may pursue. Given the potential liabilities at stake, a robust trade secrets program may deter competitors' ambitions to gain access to a company's confidential information by any means.
Every business must determine the resources necessary to create and protect valuable IP assets as part of its long-term risk minimization strategy. The flexibility of trade secret protection is a potential source of considerable value if a company takes the time to assess protectable information that it could maintain as a trade secret. It's certainly true that for this particular IP asset, you may have more than you think.


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Madison, Wis.--Both Broadcom Corp. and Conexant Systems Inc. deployed aggressive acquisition strategies in similar market segments starting in the late 1990seach company betting the farm on the burgeoning broadband market. In the end, they achieved spectacularly different results.
Broadcom (Irvine, Calif.), today armed with $8.01 billion in annual revenue, is the worlds second largest fabless chip company after Qualcomm Inc.. On the other hand, Conexant, who saw its revenue decline from $2.1 billion in 2000 to just $135 million in 2012, is fighting for survival.
Conexant last Friday (March 1) filed for Chapter 11 protection in the U.S. Bankruptcy Court for the District of Delaware.
Under the terms of the restructuring plan, Conexant's sole secured lender, QP SFM Capital Holdings Ltd., will provide $15 million in debtor-in-possession (DIP) financing.
Further, QP SFM Capital Holdings will exchange $195 million of secured debt into equity in the reorganized Conexant, an action that will wipe out all of Conexants outstanding secured debt.
Weve been suffering from the debt overhang for a long time, said Sailesh Chittipeddi (right), Conexant's president and CEO, in an interview with EE Times. Chittipeddi referenced the companys feverish shopping spree in 1999.
During the 11 months between August 1999 and July 2000, Conexant acquired seven companies for just under $2 billion in Conexant stock, Chittipeddi explained. This was something we needed to address as soon as possible, he added.
The story of Conexant is typical of a vicious cycle. Conexant acquired a significant amount of debt in order to generate operating capital--for a number of the companies it acquired, and for its own ongoing business--all while it also had to deal with its existing debt. The burden of servicing that debt eventually caught up with Conexant.
Worse, aware of the constant pressure to service debt whose due date looms large, Our blue-chip customers started questioning viability of our company and migrating away from us, Chittipeddi said.
The fact that Eastman Kodak, for whom Conexant was the sole source of printer SoCs, filed for bankruptcy last year intensified Conexants crisis.
Fortunately for Conexant, said Chittipeddi, we had to deal with only one lender QP SFM Capital Holding to negotiate the terms of a restructuring, rather than multiple parties. Further, it also helped that QP SFM Capital Holding, managed by Soros Fund Management LLC founded by billionaire George Soros, was no stranger to Conexants business, since the capital investment fund has been Conexants lender for a long time.
However, convincing the lender that Conexant has a viable, long-term strategy with a solid portfolio was another matter. It took from May 2012 until last week to negotiate and structure a restructuring plan.
Conexant, now with a significantly reduced portfolio, has several solid growth engines, according to Chittipeddi.


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Re: PETA
I think it's more a matter of people believing that science represents some ultimate good and can therefor be studied entirely for its own sake. It's a product of blind faith, if you ask me.
Generally speaking, the more people talk about "being saved," the further away they actually are from true salvation.
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it is often said that human cannot content himself.
but should we? others say that those who are contented are those who does not dream or have no ambition at all..
i thought for example of Edison "the bulb maker"
he was never satisfied with what was established at his time.(some people or scientist had then said that everything that has to be discovered had already been discovered)
had those scientist and inventors who preceded him thought of those above then maybe were still in hunting and gathering or in the castle age if were not gone yet
for us, we have gone far but for the generations to come, we are left behind
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Dreaming is good, however, some of the dreams in their realization could really impose the destruction of the dreamer. The question would be, how can we realize our dreams with less pain with one another?
---Just one act of random kindness at a time and you can change the world---
Not just less pain to one another but also to our surrounding environment. Our power to influence and change the earth gives us a serious responsibility to protect it.
Generally speaking, the more people talk about "being saved," the further away they actually are from true salvation.
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If we lead our home to its great destruction--all of our gains from endeavor we made will just come to nothing afterall.
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I have read this one. I think that it's also related to this topic.
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Here are a few doctors who do not agree that "Vivisection is a safer alternative to human testing.'
Species difference makes it impossible for medicine for one species to be based on any other species or variety of species. Humans and animals only get the same diseases 1.16% of the time. Humans now have 30,000 diseases yet about 60 million animals are killed in medical 'research' each year. Why is nothing cured? How did we get 30,000 diseases? The hundreds of thousands of artificial substances that we consume or come into contact with pass a fraudulent test, ie they are tested on other species of animals, this protects the financial health of the drug/chem co's via legal protection at the expense of our physical health and that of the environment.
Imagine this... a cat is sick with a feline (cat) disease. We want to help the cat. It is suggested that we observe the sick cat. This gets no funding. It is then suggested that we observe the population of cats to find why some get this disease and others do not and to then eliminate the cause. This also gets no funding. Then it is suggested that we get other animals which do not and cannot get this disease, we artificially induce symptoms in these healthy animals (eg dog, mouse human) and then try to 'cure' them. This is called an 'animal model' and it has no correlation to the real disease so the 'cure' does not work. This is why despite billions of dollars and millions of animals killed no human diseases are being cured despite constant claims of breakthroughs
"The reason why I am against animal research is because it doesn't work, it has no scientific value and every good scientist knows that."
- Dr. Robert Mendelsohn, M.D., 1986, Head of the Licensing Board for the State of Illinios, paediatrician & gynaecologist for 30 years, medical columnist & best-selling author, recipient of numerous awards for excellence in medicine.
"Since there is no way to defend the use of animal model systems in plain English or with scientific facts, they resort to double-talk in technical jargon...The virtue of animal model systems to those in hot pursuit of the federal dollars is that they can be used to prove anything - no matter how foolish, or false, or dangerous this might be. There is such a wide variation in the results of animal model systems that there is always some system which will 'prove' a point....The moral is that animal model systems not only kill animals, they also kill humans. There is no good factual evidence to show that the use of animals in cancer research has led to the prevention or cure of a single human cancer."
- Dr. D.J. Bross, Ph.D., 1982, former director of the largest cancer research institute in the world, the Sloan-Kettering Institute, then Director of Biostatics, Roswell Memorial Institute, Buffalo, NY.
"Practically all animal experiments are untenable on a statistical scientific basis, for they possess no scientific validity or reliability. They merely perform an alibi for pharmaceutical companies, who hope to protect themselves thereby."
- Herbert Stiller, M.D. & Margot Stiller, M.D., 1976.
"Like every member of my profession, I was brought up in the belief that almost every important fact in physiology had been obtained by vivisection and that many of our most valued means of saving life and diminishing suffering had resulted from experiments on the lower animals. I now know that nothing of the sort is true concerning the art of surgery: and not only do I not believe that vivisection has helped the surgeon one bit, but I know that it has often led him astray."
- Prof. Lawson Tait, M.D., 1899, Fellow of the Royal College of Surgeons (F.R.C.S.), Edinburgh & England. Hailed as the most distinguished surgeon of his day, the originator of many of surgery's modern techniques, and recipient of numerous awards for medical excellence.
"Experiments have never been the means for discovery; and a survey of what has been attempted of late years in physiology will prove that the opening of living animals has done more to perpetuate error than to confirm the just views taken from the study of anatomy and natural motions."
- Sir Charles Bell, M.D., 1824, F.R.C.S., discoverer of "Bell's Law" on motor and sensory nerves.
"Atrocious medical experiments are being done on children, mostly physically and handicapped ones, and on aborted foetuses, given or sold to laboratories for experimental purposes. This is a logical development of the practice of vivisection. It is our urgent task to accelerate its inevitable downfall."
- Prof. Pietro Croce, M.D., 1988, internationally renowned researcher, former vivisector.
"Vivisection is barbaric, useless, and a hindrance to scientific progress. I learned how to operate from other surgeons. It's the only way, and every good surgeon knows that."
- Dr. Werner Hartinger, 1988, surgeon of thirty years, President of German League of Doctors Against Vivisection (GLDAV).
"Normally, animal experiments not only fail to contribute to the safety of medications, but they even have the opposite effect."
- Prof. Dr. Kurt Fickentscher, 1980, of the Pharmacological Institute of the University of Bonn, Germany.
"Experiments on animals lead inevitably to experiments on people...As if an animal experiment could ever predict the same result on a person. And as if an experiment on one human being could enable us to foresee the reactions of another human being, whose biology and metabolism are different, whose blood pressure is different, whose lifestyle and age and nourishment and sensitivity and genes and everything else are different...We recognise that each single organism, whether human or animal, has its very own reactions...Today's orthodox medicine and suppressive surgery don't understand the purpose of disease and therefore don't know how to treat it. A real doctor's experience derives from his natural intuition coupled with his observation at the sickbed, but never from invasive, violent experiments on people, and much less on animals. Instead of vital hygiene, which aims at preservation or reconstruction of health by natural means and shuns all use of degrading, destructive chemicals, today's medical students are only taught to manipulate poisons and mutilate bodies. We demand that this be changed."
- Prof. Andre Passebecq, M.D., N.D., D.Psyc., 1989, Faculty of Medicine of Paris, then President of the International League of Doctors Against Vivisection (ILDAV).
"Giving cancer to laboratory animals has not and will not help us to understand the disease or to treat those persons suffering from it."
- Dr. A. Sabin, 1986, developer of the oral polio vaccine.
"Everyone should know that most cancer research is largely a fraud, and that the major cancer research organisations are derelict in their duties to the people who support them."
- Linus Pauling, PhD, 1986, two time Nobel Prize Winner.
"Not only are the studies themselves often lacking even face value, but they also drain badly needed funds away from patient care needs."
- Dr. Neal Barnard, M.D., 1987, President of the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM), Washington.
"All our current knowledge of medicine and surgery derives from observations of man following especially the anatomical-clinical method introduced by Virchow: symptoms of the patient while alive and the alterations found in the dead body. These observations have led us to discover the connection between smoking and cancer, between diet and arteriosclerosis, between alcohol and cirrhosis, and so on. Even the RH factor was not discovered on the macasus rhesus. The observations of Banting and Best on diabetes, attributed to experiments on dogs, were already well-known. Every discovery derives from observations on humans, which are subsequently duplicated in animals, and whenever the findings happen to concur, their discovery is attributed to animal experimentation. Everything we know today in medicine derives from observations made on human beings. The ancient Romans and Greeks gained most of their knowledge from epidemiological studies of people. The same goes for surgery. Surgery can't be learned on animals. Animals are anatomically completely different from man, their reactivity is completely different, their structure and resistance are completely different. In fact, exercises on animals are misleading. The surgeon who works a lot on animals loses the sensibility necessary for operating on humans."
- Prof. Bruno Fedi, M.D., 1986, Director of the City Hospital of Terni, Italy, anatomist, pathologist, specialist in urology, gynaecology and cancerology.
"My own conviction is that the study of human physiology by way of experimenting on animals is the most grotesque and fantastic error ever committed in the whole range of human intellectual activity."
- Dr. G.F. Walker, 1933.
"Why am I against vivisection? The most important reason is because it's bad science, producing a lot of misleading and confusing data which pose hazards to human health. It's also a waste of taxpayer's dollars to take healthy animals and artificially and violently induce diseases in them that they normally wouldn't get, or which occur in different form, when we already have the sick people who can be studied while they're being treated."
- Dr. Roy Kupsinel, M.D., 1988, medical magazine editor, USA.
"It is well known that animal effects are often totally different from the effects on people. This applies to substances in medical use as well as substances such as 245y and dioxin."
- A.L. Cowan, M.D., 1985, Acting Medical Officer of Health, New Plymouth, N. Z.
"The growing opposition to vivisection is understandable both on ethical and biological counts. However, a certain scientistic culture says they serve to save human lives. But reality is quite the opposite. Let's take the case of pesticides. These dangerous products, used in agriculture, are classified according to their acute toxicity, graduated with the Lethal Dose 50% tests on animals. This represents not only a useless sacrifice of animals, but it's an alibi that enables the chemical industry to sell products which are classified as harmless or almost harmless, but are in reality very harmful in the long run, even if taken in small doses. Many pesticides classified as belonging to the fourth category, meaning they can be sold and used freely, have turned out to be carcinogenic or mutagenic or capable of harming the fetus. Also in this case, animal tests are not only ambiguous, but they serve to put on the market products of which any carcinogenic effect will be ascertained only when used by human beings - the real guinea-pigs of the multinationals. And yet there are laboratory tests that can be used, which are cheaper and quicker than animal tests; in vitro tests on cell cultures, which have been proving their worth for years already. But the interests of the chemical industries which foist on us new products in all fields may not be questioned."
- Prof. Gianni Tamino, 1987, biologist at Padua University, a Congressman in the Italian Parliament.
"Animal model systems differ from their human counterparts. Conclusions drawn from animal research, when applied to human beings, are likely to delay progress, mislead, and do harm to the patient. Vivisection, or animal experimentation, should be abolished."
- Dr. Moneim Fadali, M.D., 1987, F.A.C.S., Diplomat American Board of Surgery and American Board of Thoracic Surgery, UCLA faculty, Royal College of Surgeons of Cardiology, Canada.
"Experiments on animals do not only mean torture and death for the animals, they also mean the killing of people. Vivisection is a double-edged sword."
- Major R.F.E. Austin, M.D., 1927, Royal College of Surgeons, Licentiate of the Royal College of Physicians.
Cawadias (1953) has said that "The history of medicine has shown that, whenever medicine has strayed from clinical observation, the result has been chaos, stagnation and disaster."
(British Medical Journal, October 8 1955, p.867.)
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The above quotes were taken from the book 1000 Doctors (& many more) Against Vivisection, (Ed. Hans Ruesch), CIVIS, 1989.
For further information or to purchase the book contact Hans Ruesch Foundation/CIVIS - POB 152, via Motta 51, CH-6900 Massagno/Lugano, Switzerland
German researchers Drs H and M Stiller, "In praxis, all animal experiments are scientifically indefensible, as they lack any scientific validity and reliability in regard to humans. They only serve as an alibi for the drug manufacturers, who hope to protect themselves thereby". Peter Tatchell, "Animal Research Is Bad Science", 2001.
Nobel Prize winner Sir Ernst Boris Chain, under oath at a hearing investigating the Thalidomide tragedy, said, "No animal experiment with a medicament, even if it is carried out on several animal species including primates under all conceivable conditions, can give any guarantee that the medicament tested in this way will behave in the same way in humans; because in many respects the human is not the same as the animal". Tony Page, Vivisection Unveiled, Jon Carpenter Publishing, 1997, p. 103.
Thalidomide only causes birth defects in 3 of the 63 species it was finally tested on.
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Mourning another classmate
"This isn't over," Scott Morrison told me pointedly, repeatedly, in 2010 during a golf outing in Watertown as part of the 35th reunion of the Marshall High School Class of 1975. In other words, he was so happy to see this gathering of old friends from the Dane County village of Marshall that he wanted us to get together more often than every five years.
"Great," I'd reply each time he said it. "Let's do it."
That was the last day we spoke.
Scott Morrison died Oct. 18 of cancer in a Fond du Lac hospice. I don't think any of his classmates knew he was dying.
Readers of this blog will recall that two of my classmates, Mark Berghammer and John Bornitzke, died earlier this year, both of apparent heart attacks. Those deaths were reminders that none of us is infallible, that the years pass swiftly and that we should make the most of them and get together more often.
That, as I later wrote, prompted Jeff Verhagen and I to organize a Brewer game outing and tailgate party in July. We invited a bunch of buddies we hung with in high school, and their spouses. Most of the guys played on the varsity basketball team.
Scott Morrison was one of our teammates. Jeff and I had his email address, and we both tried reaching him but got no response. We didn't understand why. We tried searching but couldn't find a phone number. We ordered a ticket to the game for him thinking he would respond late, but he never did.
One of his sons told me at Saturday's memorial service in Fond du Lac that his dad was diagnosed with cancer a couple of years ago, underwent treatment to supposedly lick it, only to have it return a few months later. He suffered a heart attack in September and spiraled downward from there.
I told my wife, Cheryl, that if I think about the classmates I hung with the most in high school, Scott was one of the six closest. Yet I hadn't seen his two sons since they were preschoolers, and I didn't even know he had been married and divorced not once but twice. Cheryl wondered why Scott and I didn't stay more in touch.
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"Or you get new friends," actor Morgan Freeman added.
Life does intervene. You get busy doing jobs in different communities, some far away. You're raising kids and focusing on your family. You do establish other friendships and new hobbies that gobble time.
Cheryl thought I was angry that Scott didn't let us know he was suffering from cancer. No, I told her. Instead, I was only disappointed and uncertain whether Scott thought we wouldn't care enough to visit and help him cope, or whether he didn't want the sympathy and had no desire or strength to deal with a "death march" parade of friends paying their last respects.
Whichever the case, he chose to die without us. I and Scott's other high school buddies will never know why.
A memorial service card titled "To those I love" began: "When I am gone, just release me, let me go—so I can move into my afterglow. You mustn't tie me down with your tears; let's be happy we had so many years."
Scott might have been looking down and smiling as five of his classmates left Saturday's service with an invitation to the Fond du Lac home of Steve and Mary Millin. Steve, too, played basketball. He and I were the starting guards. There, we toasted Scott and reflected on our high school days.
In the late 1970s, I became friends with guys on my floor while living in a UW-Oshkosh dormitory for two years and then joined several buddies in renting a home off campus my final two years. Yet it has been decades since I've seen any of those guys.
Childhood friends, like the characters in "Last Vegas," are those who really know you best, that story in USA Weekend continued. "'Those friendships are irreplaceable, said friend expert Irene Levine, a New York University professor. 'The childhood friends knew our parents, knew where we grew up and knew our first girlfriends. They are markers for their lives.'"
It reminds me of that final line in one of my favorite movies, "Stand By Me," when central character Gordie Lachance types: "I never had any friends later on like the ones I had when I was 12. Jesus, does anyone?"
That sums up my thoughts about my high school buddies. Our time and lives really are slipping away too quickly, and now one more of us is gone. We do need to get together more often.
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