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JANESVILLE—They aren't criminals, but police think a few Janesville residents are so troublesome that they've sent an updated list of names and pictures to bars and liquor stores.
The message: Please don't serve these people.
Residents are placed on the list if they have had at least three negative police contacts in which they were intoxicated over a six-month period.
Those contacts include trips to jail or to the hospital for detoxification.
Police issued the first list last summer, with 10 names. They updated the list in January.
Initial indications are that the list is doing what police intended, at least in some cases.
Police have had fewer incidents with most of the people on the first list, and a couple of those on the first list told police they are working to correct their behavior, Deputy Chief Dan Davis said.
Shame, or at least bad publicity, it appears, had an effect.
Some wanted the new list to come out so their names could be removed, Davis said.
Of the 10 people on the first list, seven behaved well enough not to be included on the new list.
The new list, however, has 12 names. Davis said that's because the department's new records system allows for better data searches, which helped police find more troublemakers more easily.
The next time the list comes out, probably in August, there might be even more names, but that doesn't mean the number of problem drinkers has increased, Davis said. Rather, it's because it's easier to identify them.
The main problem for police is time. Unruly drinkers often are committed to detox treatment, but it takes time—sometimes hours—until a doctor can give clearance for the detox commitment. Officers wait with the patient until that happens.
"We kind of have a good-neighbor agreement with Mercy Hospital, that if there are people we bring in who are combative and unruly, we'll stay and provide security for their staff, Davis said.
The wait keeps officers from patrolling the streets or other duties.
"These are people who consume a lot of the taxpayers' dollars, and it's our effort to solve that issue, and, quite frankly, it's probably good for the individual, too," Police Chief Dave Moore said.
The list doesn't always work. Bartenders don't always know that someone on the list is at the bar, Davis acknowledged.
Some bartenders have called police, or residents have contacted police to say they saw someone on the list going into a bar, Davis said.
Police went to the bars in those cases, and the situations were resolved with little incident, Davis said.
In one case, the person agreed to leave. In another, bar staff declined to serve the person.
Davis said he's aware there's a constitutional issue at play. Courts have ruled that the 1st Amendment allows people to associate with anyone they want to.
The no-serve list is worded to avoid that issue, Davis said. It does not prohibit someone from being in a bar. It only asks licensed establishments not to serve the the person alcohol.
Also, anyone who objects to being on the list is allowed to appeal to the city's Alcohol License Advisory Committee.
"We are told, from a constitutional standpoint, that as long as we are addressing behavior and not the fact that they have an alcohol-abuse disorder, and we give them a due-process hearing to speak their case, to object, that we're on pretty good ground," Davis said.
In one case, a man on the initial list objected. He told Davis that he is an alcoholic, and police were interfering with his disease.
The man, when he is sober, says he does not want to be an alcoholic. When he is drinking, he often calls police for help. That's what got him on the list, but the man never caused a disturbance, Davis said.
The man called because he recognized he had drunk so much that he needed medical attention, Davis said.
"It's different than being in a bar raising hell or out on the street breaking stuff and harassing people, so I thought, you know what?� I agree with him," Davis said.
Davis took him off the list.
Wiggy's Saloon owner Patrick Wygans said his bartenders saw few problems before the list came out, and he knows of only one person from the list who has entered his bar.
"We gave him a water, and he went on his way," Wygans said.
A downtown bartender likewise told The Gazette that experienced barkeeps know who the troublemakers are, and they will refuse them service if the situation warrants.
Green Bay has a similar program, and Milwaukee was considering one, according to press reports.
The Tavern League of Wisconsin's only concern is that bar owners shouldn't be punished for inadvertently serving someone on the list, said Pete Madland, the league's executive director.
"If they do a reasonable approach, we don't have a� problem with it," Madland said.
The list has its uses, but it's not a perfect solution to problem drinkers, Davis said. And it's too early to say how effective the list will be.
Three people on the first list were included on the second list.
"We were never under the illusion that this was going to fix it," Davis said. "It was intended to give us another tool to try to make it better."
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LONDON Nvidia launched a quad-core Tegra 4 application processor based on the Cortex A15 for use in consumer gadgets from smartphones, tablet computers and games consoles at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas. It also announced the first system using it--Project Sheild, a hybrid mobile game player and streaming system from Nvidia.
The Tegra 4, codenamed "Wayne," comes with an optional Icera i500 chip that supports UE category 3 LTE cellular communications with a 100-Mbit per second downlink. Nvidia Corp. (Santa, Clara, Calif.) acquired soft-modem developer Icera Ltd. in 2011 for about $360 million.
Tegra 4 includes 72 GPU cores to provide approximately six times the graphics performance of the company's previous application processor, the Tegra 3. Web browsing is said to be 2.6 times faster than Tegra 3. Besides the quad-core Cortex A15, Tegra 4 includes a low-power Cortex A15 compatible core that performs background tasks to save power. This is thought to be a proprietary implementation of ARM's big-little technique similar to that implemented by Nvidia in Tegra 3.
While Tegra 3 was implemented in a 40-nm CMOS manufacturing process technology from Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co., the Tegra 4 is said to be manufactured using a 28-nm process technology that yields a top clock frequency of about 1.9 GHz.
One aspect of the Tegra 4 is the deployment of "computational photography" by allowing the GPU and CPU sections to work together and also with an image signal processor intended for use with a camera.
A follow-on chip codenamed "Grey" is said to be in preparation for release later in 2013 that will include the baseband processor for the i500 soft modem.
From the information that Nvidia showed, the Tegra 4 seems competitive with Qualcomm's quad-core (Krait) processor and the Samsung Exynos 5250, said Kevin Krewell, senior analyst with the Linely Grpup (Mlountain Vioew, Calif.). However, Nvidia did not disclose key data such as the SoCs clock frequency, power consumption, shipping dates or customers, he added.
I expect Tegra 4 to be very competitive on gaming, video, photos, and multitasking, said Patrick Moorhead, principal of Moor Insights and Strategy (Austin). Their software-defined radio is a very high-risk, high-return proposition, but the fact that AT&T certified one flavor of the modem speaks to the reliability and quality, and thats a good first step, he added.

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The Gazette publishes a lot of news in a week. Combine that with all the distractions a weekend brings, and that means there's a good chance you might have missed some important stories. Here's a look at of some of The Gazette's best content from the last week or so:
A place to call home: Project 16:49 opens Beloit house for homeless teen girls
A few weeks ago, the 18-year-old woman was living in her broken-down car. For two years, the student had been homeless, sometimes bouncing between the houses of acquaintances, all the time trying to keep up with homework. She was the first to settle into a house for seven homeless girls, which Project 16:49 opened in Beloit recently.
'He was the one': Residents share love stories to mark Valentine's Day
Michael Powers was a freshman shooting hoops in the Clinton High School gym when his future wife caught his eye. He couldn't take his eyes off Kristi, a senior, as she walked across the court. But as Cupid pulled on Michael's heartstrings, a stray basketball nearly derailed their relationship before it even started. Powers was one of several readers who responded to a Gazette request for Valentine's Day stories about falling in love.
Heavy lifting: Milton High student climbing weightlifting ranks
Milton's Connor Felstead won his weight division in the 2014 Junior National Weightlifting Championships, yielding him an invitation to the Olympic Training Center in Colorado Springs, Colo., for the Pan American Games camp in mid-March. He's hoping to parlay his strength into a spot on the U.S. Olympic team. "I don't know about 2016," the 18-year-old said of his Olympic aspirations. "But in 2020 …"
US paralympians spend weekend training in Janesville
The opening of the 2014 Winter Olympics means the Paralympics are weeks away. In preparation, the Blackhawk Curling Club hosted a training session for members of the United States paralympic curling team recently. This Janesville jaunt was the team's final full-group training session before it takes its turn in Sochi.
Our Views: Things must change at Countryside Inn in town of Milton
One shooting at one bar that wounds a man, though disturbing, does not signal a trend. A second shooting that injures another man within months at the same bar, however, comes much closer to a trend. It should prompt all parties—owner, law enforcement and elected officials—to ensure a third doesn't happen, The Gazette Editorial Board writes.
Editor's Views: Frozen pipes are frustrating but temporary inconvenience
Gazette Editor Scott Angus and his wife and are among the unfortunate folks dealing with the unprecedented fallout of one of the nastiest winters on record. Twice in the last two weeks, a pipe between the water main in the street and their house has frozen. But a chance encounter at the grocery store put things in perspective for the angry Angus.
Artwork by Delavan-Darien graduate hits the big time, causes controversy
As an artist, you might know you've arrived in the national consciousness when your work appears on The Weather Channel. But even 1989 Delavan-Darien High School graduate and artist Tony Matelli is a bit surprised at the controversy his "Sleepwalker" statue has generated. The work, a hyper-realistic sculpture of a mostly naked man clad in underwear at an all-female college, has some of the students freaked out.
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Heading to an event last week on Madison's west side, restaurant reviewer Bill Livick and his group had less than an hour to eat and were in no mood for burgers and fries. A friend suggested they check out Novanta, a Neapolitan pizzeria on Old Sauk Road. It was good advice, Livick writes.
Xtra Points: Nothing disappointing about Fredricks' career
Tucker Fredricks' Olympic career didn't end how he'd hoped on Monday, but area fans should still look back fondly on their three-time Olympian, Sports Editor Eric Schmoldt writes.
Janice Peterson: Don't let age get in the way of gardening
Gazette blogger Janice Peterson's mom was finding it harder to garden as she got older. The solution: A raised bed and a new practice called horticultural therapy.
PHOTOS: Chicken lovers fight for their backyard birds
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Since the Continuing Resolution to run government has already been approved by the U.S. Senate and does not need a president's signature, only the U.S. House of Representatives has stopped the government from running. The speaker won't let a vote take place. Since only Congress can legislate health care, why the shutdown? If they want a conversation, where have they been for six months since the Senate sent them a budget? Why are the 70 percent of U.S. citizens who want the government to do their work ignored?
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Everything begins with that 100-mph fastball. Actually, Fangraphs.com has it as averaging 95.7 mph last season. That means Strasburg had it consistently in the 94-95 range, and when he needed more in a tough spot, he had it in his back pocket.
Detroit's Justin Verlander is like that. He runs through a lineup spotting his pitches, changing speeds, getting by. And when Verlander is in trouble, he brings out the really hard stuff, especially in the seventh or eighth inning, when it's time to finish the deal.
It's Strasburg's 96-mph fastball that hitters always mention, because his command of it is so good. Not perfect, but good. And getting better. Regardless of what else Strasburg throws, it's the heater that hitters go up thinking about and looking for.
If they look for anything else, Strasburg will sense it and throw three in a row by them. But since they have to be prepared first for the hard stuff, it's the two offspeed pitches that can make them look foolish.
Strasburg threw his fastball 64.9 percent of the time last season. He threw 19 percent curveballs and 16.1 percent changeups. Incidentally, that changeup was clocked at an average velocity of 88.8 mph last season, according to Fangraphs.com. There are plenty of Major League pitchers who have gotten by with an 88.8-mph fastball.
Still, the stuff that can be measured is only part of the story. It's also only part of the reason Washington general manager Mike Rizzo took Strasburg with the first overall pick of the 2009 First-Year Player Draft.
To Rizzo, there was a another side to Strasburg every bit as impressive as the 100-mph fastball. It was his demeanor, his seriousness. Back then -- and now -- Strasburg was quiet and thoughtful, completely focused on his craft. He was confident, too, but not in a cocky way.
The more Rizzo learned about Strasburg, the more he saw him as one of the real rare ones, a guy who had both amazing talent and the commitment to work as hard as he could to refine those talents, polish them and be great.
The Nationals saw this early, in Strasburg's fifth Major League start. It was a sweltering night in Atlanta, and everything was going wrong.
"He threw a couple of pitches that were close, and he didn't get calls and walked someone," third baseman Ryan Zimmerman said. "I think we were up one or two runs, and it put runners on first and second.
"He stepped off the mound and was like, 'OK.' I think he went 98, 99, 100 on the next hitter and struck the next guy out to get us out of the inning."
|"Watching a guy like Jake Peavy -- he was in my backyard, in San Diego, and I grew up watching him -- he's a bulldog out there. Even if you had little tweaks, little nicks on your body and stuff, he's going to go out there and give it everything he has every fifth day. He's going to throw 200 innings every year. That's the type of guy I want to be. I want to be a horse in the clubhouse."
|-- Stephen Strasburg
Zimmerman had already seen the 100-mph stuff, the rare stuff, the Hall of Fame-type stuff, but until that moment, he wasn't really sure about the kid. After that, there were no questions.
"I was like, 'All right, this kid has got a little something,'" Zimmerman said. "Obviously, he's a special talent. He wants to be that bulldog kind of guy, the guy we can count on going out there and throwing 200-plus innings every year. He works hard to be that guy. Rarely do you have guys that talented with that much work ethic and that much drive. When you get that combination, it's pretty special."
This is a special Spring Training for both the Nats and Strasburg. Washington is widely regarded as baseball's best team, a club with no apparent weaknesses.
Rizzo has built the rotation around young power arms. He has assembled a deep bullpen. The Nationals have a lineup with speed at the top (Denard Span) and power in the middle (Adam LaRoche). The clubhouse has a nice blend of youth and experience, a clubhouse that understands the grind of a long season. And Rizzo has one of the great managers of this generation in Johnson, who has won 56.4 percent of his 2,283 games.
As much expectation as there is around the Nats, as much as people are about to find out that Washington is one of the country's great baseball cities, it's an equally exciting season for Strasburg.
He is fully recovered from the Tommy John elbow surgery he underwent in 2010, and with last season's innings limit removed, this may be the year when he takes another step forward, perhaps to a place up there alongside David Price and Verlander and the others.
The Nationals will not say any of this. They will point out that Strasburg is the No. 1 guy in a deep, talented rotation, and that if he can take the ball every fifth day, it'll be interesting to see what happens.
"I'm expecting him to be as good as he has ever been, and for a longer time," Rizzo said. "We feel he's a top-of-the-rotation type of guy. We see him as workhorse down the road. We think he's ready to take that next step in his progression."
Strasburg has goals, too, and those goals don't begin with throwing 200 innings or winning a Cy Young Award or any of that stuff. He simply wants to be the guy who can be counted on to be healthy and durable. If Strasburg can just do that, if he can take the ball consistently, plenty of other good stuff will flow from there.
"Watching a guy like Jake Peavy -- he was in my backyard, in San Diego, and I grew up watching him -- he's a bulldog out there," Strasburg said. "Even if you had little tweaks, little nicks on your body and stuff, he's going to go out there and give it everything he has every fifth day. He's going to throw 200 innings every year. That's the type of guy I want to be. I want to be a horse in the clubhouse."
When you talk to Strasburg, two things stand out. One is his size. His 220 pounds are packed solidly over a 6-foot-4 frame. His lower body, the part of the body where pitchers get the drive to home plate, looks extremely strong.
The other thing you notice is Strasburg's calm. He's assured. He simply knows who he is. Strasburg is cordial and available to the media, but he does not seek attention. In a clubhouse dotted with professionals, he fits in.
"He has learned more about how hitters approach him and how best to use his stuff," Johnson said. "He's the No. 1 starter on a pretty good big league staff. That says all you need to know about him."
Now, about that innings limit. Rizzo was widely second-guessed for not allowing Strasburg to finish the 2012 season. He had reams of data supporting the care and feeding of a young pitcher. Most of the second-guessing seemed to be coming from people who said that the Nats had a chance to win the World Series, so why not go for it, and if Strasburg got hurt, well, so be it.
That someone would risk a 24-year-old pitcher's long-term health made zero sense to Rizzo, and he never wavered. Strasburg tried to talk his way out of the early shutdown and may have thought he'd succeed until he was called in on Sept. 8 and told, "That's it."
Now we may all see how good Strasburg can be, how great stuff and a terrific work ethic and the experience gained from 45 Major League starts come together. He's working hard on another weapon, a sinker, this spring, and is tweaking the curveball he wasn't allowed to throw immediately after the surgery.
Strasburg is quiet about this stuff. He just wants to take the ball. He wants a healthy season, a season in which he contributes to winning. Everything else will take care of itself.
"I don't really care about showing people," Strasburg said. "I want to prove it to myself."
Richard Justice is a columnist for MLB.com. Read his blog, Justice4U. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.


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Delavan man arrested as suspect in oxycodone robberies
MADISON A 35-year-old Delavan man was arrested by DeForest police Tuesday afternoon as the primary suspect in the recent oxycontin/oxycodone thefts or robberies that have taken place in multiple jurisdictions, according to an email from Joel DeSpain, public information officer for the City of Madison Police Department.
Tony D. Taylor is currently in custody at the Dane County Jail, DeSpain said.
Previous (Janesville) Gazette stories show the oxycodone bandit hit pharmacies in Janesville, Edgerton and Beloit on Feb. 22, March 2 and March 21, respectively.
In all incidents, the suspect handed a note to a pharmacy employee demanding oxycodone.
And in each case, the man�s description also matched that of a person suspected of robbing a number of pharmacies around southern Wisconsin, according to the articles.
The suspect may have been involved in other robberies police are not aware of.
More details will be released during a joint news conference at 1:30 p.m. today at the Madison Police Department's Central District office, 211 S. Carroll St.
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Nvidia R&D chief sketches road to chip stacks
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SAN JOSE, Calif. Low-cost organic substrates paired with new I/O techniques represent the best path to 3-D chip stacks, said Nvidias chief scientist. The company may experiment with such techniques as early as next year in preparation for Volta, its graphics processor slated for 2015.
In a wide-ranging interview, William Dally pooh-poohed the need for cache-coherent memory between CPUs and GPUs being developed by rival AMD. Dally also underscored the rising importance of graphics in computational photography and exascale computing.
Chip stacking is increasingly seen as an alternative to moving to the next semiconductor node at a time when process technology is providing less bang for the buck.
It used to be the latest node was critically important, said Dally, who also serves as Nvidias vice president of R&D. When Dennard scaling was in effect, if you were a node behind you were down a factor of three and basically screwed, he said.
Now the difference between 28 and 20 nm is probably like 20 to 25 percent, Dally said. That means to me process doesn't matter that much anymore, so if we are clever about architecture and circuit design, we can make up for the fact that we have competitors that are a node ahead, he said referring to archrival Intel.
Nvidia says it will roll in 2015 Volta, a graphics chip using stacked memory.
One of the clever architectures engineers in Nvidias labs are working on is a ground reference signaling scheme geared for future system-in-package devices. The approach, still in research, promises links running at less than half a picojoule per bit at 20 Gbits/second, said Dally.
The I/O could enable organic substrates that are less expensive than silicon interposers but need physically larger links. Nvidia wants individual links that run at 10 Gbits/second per pin, about ten times the rate of today's links, to enable components with 200 Gbytes/s bandwidth, Dally said.
IBM has used relatively large organic substrates for processor modules measuring as much as 100 mm on a side, Dally said. He sees the substrates used in 2.5-D stacks where a graphics die is laid next to a DRAM stack. Graphics chips generate too much heat to be stacked vertically with memories, and such stacks face relatively high costs and low yields, he added.


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UPDATE: Derailment cleared at Five Points intersection in Janesville
JANESVILLE--Two cars of a 100-car grain train jumped their tracks in downtown Janesville, causing a derailment that closed Court Street at the Five Points intersection for about two hours Wednesday morning.
Ken Lucht, a spokesman for the Wisconsin & Southern Railroad, said the train was coming into the railroad's hub just south of the Five Points when the incident occurred at about 5:30 a.m.
"The first 35 cars went over a spring switch just fine, but cars 36 and 37 ran aground and bumped off the tracks," Lucht said, adding that extreme temperatures caused the switch to stop working properly as the train was traveling about 5 mph.
The two cars remained upright and were put back on the tracks after the intersection was cleared about 7:30, he said.
The grain cars were handed off to the Union Pacific and were on their way to their finals destinations later Wednesday morning. WSOR and UP engineers replaced the defective switch.
The train cars were carrying grain, and the derailment did not pose any health risks, Lucht said.
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If you need to fix something, chances are, Sears has it. But what about for a legal fix? Sears believes it has that too, with Kristin Coleman named the new senior vice president, general counsel and corporate secretary of parent company Sears Holdings. Coleman comes to Sears from the Brunswick Corporation, where she served as GC among other roles. Previously, Coleman was an associate GC with Mead Johnson Nutrition Company, and she also worked as outside counsel with Sidley Austin. "I am pleased Kristin is joining our leadership team. She is a proven leader with experience managing legal, compliance and corporate governance issues," said Edward S. Lampert, chairman and CEO of Sears Holdings, in a statement.
It's getting real for Vivian Yang. Having just joined the team at 3D and visual technologies created RealD in early 2014, the attorney has already been promoted to become the company's executive vice president and general counsel. Before RealD, Yang served as senior vice president and GC for CityGrid Media, and also worked in-house for Time Warner's Global Media Group, eCompanies Wireless, and Sony Pictures. "Vivian has vast experience in the media and technology sectors working with both established and growth companies," said RealD CEO Michael V. Lewis in a statement. "Her legal acumen combined with her proven management capabilities will make her an extraordinarily valuable member of the RealD executive team."
Moving from one healthcare provider to another, MemorialCare Health System has picked up an industry veteran as general counsel in Terri Cammarano. Before joining MemorialCare, Cammarano worked with Hoag Memorial Hospital Presbyterian in a variety of roles. With Hoag, she most recently served as senior vice president and special advisor following Hoag's affiliation with St. Joseph Health, and before that, she served as Hoag's GC. She also worked for many years in private practice with Foley & Lardner. "We are very pleased to welcome Terri Cammarano to our MemorialCare team," said Barry Arbuckle, president and CEO, in a statement. "With her impressive background in health care transactions ranging from traditional mergers and acquisitions to affiliations and joint ventures, Terri has counseled health care clients on a wide range of regulatory, operational, governance, technology, finance, contracting and other complex legal matters."
It's a whole new frontier for the legal department at Frontier Airlines, as the company has picked up a new general counsel from outside the company. Howard Diamond comes to Frontier from Thales USA, where he served as vice president, general counsel and secretary since 2008. Diamond has also worked as chief counsel of BAE Systems as well as GC of Stewart and Stevenson's Tactical Vehicles Division. "I am excited to join Frontier Airlines as it begins its third decade of service," Diamond said in a release. "I look forward to working with Dave, my colleagues, and Indigo Partners to solidify Frontier's position as a successful ultra-low cost carrier."
Is LinkedIn the next big online dynasty? It did recently have the most successful social media IPO in history. And now, the company has hired a big name, bringing in former Yahoo legal department head Michael J. Callahan as LinkedIn's newest general counsel. Callahan headed Yahoo's legal department between 2003 and 2012. In the time since, he has served as chief legal officer of online marketplace Auction.com. He will fill the vacancy left by Erika Rottenberg, the company's first full-time in-house hire, who announced she was leaving the company in April. "I've long admired LinkedIn for its ability to enable economic opportunity for people around the world, and I have tremendous respect for the entire executive team at the company," Callahan said in a statement. "I'm honored to have the opportunity to lead a strong and deep team at LinkedIn and continue to scale the function."
And now coming behind the scenes of a screen near you… Deborah Zipser! Zipser will be taking over the role of general counsel of IM Global, a leading film financing, sales and distribution companies in the world, owned primarily by Indian conglomerate Reliance ADA Group. Zipser was previously an executive with River Road, where she was head of business affairs with the company. While at River Road, Zipser worked with a number of hit movies, including The Tree Of Life, Into the Wild, Brokeback Mountain and Food Inc.
After 33 years in the legal department — and 19 years as its head — Kenneth M. Vittor is stepping down as general counsel of McGraw Hill Financial. Stepping into those shoes would be a tough task for any in-house lawyer, but McGraw Hill believes that Lucy Fato is more than capable of the task. Fato comes to McGraw Hill from Marsh & McLennan Companies, Inc., where she served as vice president, deputy general counsel and corporate secretary since 2005. Before that, she worked as outside counsel for Davis Polk & Wardwell. "Lucy is a highly accomplished attorney and leader," said McGraw Hill CEO Douglas L. Peterson in a statement. "Her broad experience, business acumen and strong record of building legal teams strengthen our deep and talented management team."
The Super Bowl Champion Seattle Seahawks rely on the 12th Man for help on the field, but for help in the legal department, the team will now turn to new general counsel Ed Goines. Perhaps Seahawks fans don't want to hear about his past experience in the NFL, however — he spent five years as general counsel and vice president of business affairs with the hated San Francisco 49ers between 2001 and 2007. Most recently, Goines was assistant chief counsel for Disney Interactive/The Walt Disney Company, and he also worked in-house previously with Major League Soccer.
In order to be the general counsel of Investment Company Institute (ICI), the national association of U.S. investment companies, one must be intimately familiar with not only markets, but also how regulators handle those markets. Well, in that case, why not just hire someone from the SEC itself? David Blass, ICI's newest general counsel, comes from the job after serving as chief counsel and associate director of the Securities and Exchange Commission's Division of Trading and Markets since 2010. According to ThinkAdvisor, Blass also worked with the SEC between 2003 and 2008, and he has also spent time as outside counsel. "David brings to ICI a wealth of professional experience, gained in senior government service and in private practice both here and abroad," said ICI President and CEO Paul Schott Stevens in a statement. "I am certain he will provide outstanding leadership as head of the Institute's Law Department and as a member of our senior management team."


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Local fans head to Texas to watch Wisconsin in the Final Four
JANESVILLE—Jon Paulson and his brother Andrew are all about experiences, and they� weren't going to miss the opportunity to don their red and stand in the stands cheering on Wisconsin in the Final Four on Saturday night.
The Paulson brothers headed to Arlington, Texas, bright and early Friday morning by plane to catch some of the festivities, including performances by Bruce Springsteen and Tim McGraw, before Saturday's big game against eighth-ranked Kentucky.
"I'm a basketball junky, always have been," Jon Paulson said. "This is a good moment to go down and have fun."
John and Sue McGinniss of Janesville are also traveling to Texas.
The two hopped in a car Thursday afternoon and drove to Dubuque, Iowa, to pick up their son Taylor and his fianc�, Heather Faherty.
The four then drove through the night to Arlington.
The Badger fans arrived Friday morning and met up with the McGinniss' other daughter, Natalie, who flew in from Boston on Friday night.
"It was one of those things that was spur of the moment," said John McGinniss, who is retired from General Motors. "You think, 'OK, if we can get tickets, who is interested?' We threw it out there."
Also meeting McGinniss and his family are his brother and sister-in-law and their daughter, who drove down Friday morning from Illinois.
The game is at 7:49 p.m. Saturday.
McGinniss and Paulson are not UW-Madison alums, but they bleed red and white.
McGinniss has followed the team since 1971 when a good friend received a scholarship to the university. He has had season tickets since 1978.
Paulson is a native of Viroqua, worked at Chase Bank in Edgerton for 25 years and has been director of commercial lending at Blackhawk Community Credit Union since May 2011. He and his wife, Georgia, live in Edgerton.
Paulson grew up going to Wisconsin football and basketball games with his dad. He's been a season ticket holder for about 12 years.
This isn't either Badger fan's first rodeo.
Both went to the 2000 Final Four in Indianapolis. Michigan State knocked out the Badgers in the semifinals, 53-41.
"It's really quite an event, so we're just going to go down and enjoy it all," McGinniss said.
In 2000, McGinniss sold his ticket to the national championship game to Michigan State fans. If UW repeats history and loses Saturday, he will do the same and head back north Sunday morning.
"There will be Kentucky fans just chomping at their bits to get tickets for Monday," McGinniss said.
If UW wins Saturday, McGinniss and the family will be among Badger fans packing the stands at AT&T Stadium for the championship game Monday night.�
Paulson plans to stay either way. At a car rental place outside of Dallas on Friday morning, he saw college basketball coaching legend Bobby Knight.
"He said, 'Hey, I hope Wisconsin wins it,'" Paulson said.
The last time UW won the national championship was in 1941. The team has made 20 NCAA tournament appearances, including 13 straight under coach Bo Ryan.
Saturday's game will be Ryan's first Division 1 Final Four as a coach in his 30-year career.
A mentor and fan of Bo, his father William "Butch" Ryan, will be missing. Butch died in August at age 89. The two attended the Final Four together for years.
Saturday's dramatic overtime win wasn't just an Elite Eight victory against top-seeded Arizona. The day would have been Butch's 90th birthday and brought a win that both he and Bo had been waiting for.��
"It's an interesting, fun story for the coach," McGinniss said. "He gets to take his dad again, if you will, to the Final Four."
Bo came to UW in 2002 from UW-Milwaukee, where he coached the team for two seasons. Before that, he spent 15 years at UW-Platteville, where he won four Division 3 national titles.
Dale Barry, former Janesville School District athletic director and basketball coach at Parkview and Janesville Parker, knows Bo and said he is a good guy with a great sense of humor.
Barry remembers a Brewers game a few years ago where Bo was throwing out the first pitch. Barry bumped into Bo outside the stadium before the game. Bo asked where Barry was sitting. Barry said he told Bo his seats were higher up.�
"He said, 'Good, I'm throwing out the first pitch, and I'd hate to hit ya,'" Barry said with a chuckle.
Barry hopped on a train Thursday morning headed to Texas for a week-long vacation with his daughters and to partake in the NCAA events.
Barry's group of six is not attending the game because of ticket prices and the fact that he couldn't find seats together.
"We were looking at some $400 (tickets), but you're quite a ways from where the action is, and my eyes aren't the greatest at 82," Barry said. "I'd hate to pay $400 and not be able to tell who's making the basket because I can't read the number."
On Tuesday, Barry said his tentative plans were to go to Friday's open practice and tailgate at AT&T Stadium and attend Saturday's pep rally at the Arlington Convention Center before hunkering down to watch the game on TV Saturday night.
On the NCAA Ticket Exchange website Thursday afternoon, tickets for the semifinal and final games ranged from $190 a pop for nosebleed seats to up to $47,600 for a suite.
McGinniss, who entered the lottery to receive Final Four tickets as a season ticket holder, said each ticket has a $300 face value and gets the holder into both semifinal games and the championship game.
McGinniss, Barry and Paulson hope the Badgers bring home the title of best men's basketball team in the country, but they are happy with the opportunity to experience a piece of NCAA and Badger history in person.
"It's really quite an event, so we're just going to go down and enjoy it all," said McGinniss, adding he will sport all of the red he can but leave most of the partying to the college students.


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Do the simplest bacteria have ribosomes and helicase?
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Do the simplest bacteria have ribosomes and helicase?
I find it interesting that all life on earth, aside from RNA viruses, use DNA. I've seen video on how helicase and ribosomes work together to copy DNA sequences (to RNA) with helicase then recreate them using ribosomes. Does this process work the same way in the simplest life forms? Bacteria and other unicellular life that reproduce through mitosis, for example?
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We don't have direct evidence from which we can answer that question. We do have some current hypotheses. Look into the "RNA world" topic (try Googling that term). Here's one the easy way: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA_world_hypothesis
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Thanks for the information. I've done some research and I'm still having a hard time making the connection.
Discounting the fact that DNA as a code base (logical) is structured information, and therefore cannot self-assemble, nucleotides, which are the "bits" that make up the code (physical) also have to assembled/synthesized.
The biggest problem is still how to make the jump from RNA to DNA. Helicase needs ATP, which means mitochondria had to come first. Mitochondria only occurs in eukaryotes which are DNA based. RNA based "creatures", such as viruses, don't have mitochondria.
Am I missing something?
I didn't realize that there were other biological sources for ATP. Please explain that further, if you don't mind. I'm most interested in how they would have been involved in the evolution of RNA to the fully functioning DNA model. How/where would they have been used as RNA was evolving?
I'm still also having trouble digesting how you get from RNA to the fully functioning DNA process - translation and transcription are both required, and each of those processes require multiple components working together. Without all of those parts doing their thing, the critter dies and evolution starts over from scratch.
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Gene expression did not evolve in eukaryotes, they are fairly recent on the geological time scale, so mitochondria are irrelevant to that evolution. Prokaryotes have many metabolic tricks to generate ATP. Glycolosis with fermentation is one possible method. There are methods for generation of ATP from light and from redox of environmental chemicals.
You will likely not find a satisfactory explanation of the early evolution of gene expression and metabolism. Without physical evidence (fossils, etc.) descriptions of early evolution are so far speculative. The earliest fossil evidence of life is bacterial, and key parts of the processes of gene expression and metabolism may have developed acellularly (though again, we have no physical evidence of those very early stages).
Thanks for the info. I should have realized that prokaryotes would have a different mechanism. After reading further on ATP itself, I'm still stuck at the same point. The RNA world theory would have to include a way for evolution to create both ATP as an energy currency and the mechanisms to create ATP itself.
As there is no reason for ATP to even exist until you get to the cellular level, from where/what would it have evolved? ATP seems pretty specific in its functionality - if it didn't exist in its final form when the first cell did, the cell would have died.
I don't need physical evidence at the moment. Just a logical explanation.
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Our Views: Proper pet care bolsters community
How a community treats its animals says much about the people in that community and the quality of life they expect.
Given that, the stature of the people in Janesville and Rock County is rising, and so are expectations for our way of life.
Three Gazette stories in recent days make that clear. The most recent came Monday when Jim Leute reported on the Veterinary Emergency Service clinic under construction at 3710 E. Racine St. in Janesville. Veterinarian David Wirth says the service will be open hours when most veterinary clinics are closed—from 5 p.m. to 8 a.m. weekdays and around the clock on weekends. Sure, the care likely will be expensive. It will save time and miles for owners of pets in need of emergency care, however, and ultimately save animals' lives. For people passionate about their pets, the care will be worth every penny.
Couple that with two more stories emerging out of the Rock County Humane Society. First, the society's shelter at 222 Arch St. in Janesville is undergoing a facelift, part of which includes transforming some care spaces into "community rooms." Cats will be able to climb trees or curl up on sunny shelves for naps—when they aren't watching birds at a feeder just outside a window. Staffers believe these places will sell the personality of each feline. People who see two cats interacting comfortably or playfully might adopt both.
In the shelter's main area, walls have been painted with tropical colors, and new light bulbs also help create a brighter, cheerful, positive place. Atmosphere matters, new Executive Director Brett Frazier told reporter Catherine W. Idzerda. The shelter also has plans to improve it dog runs.
Second and perhaps even more important, Frazier announced that Blain's Farm & Fleet has agreed to provide food at no cost to the shelter's adult dogs and cats. That adds up to about 10 tons per year. It's a generous offer. The shelter will accept other food donations to help low-income families who are struggling to pay for pet care and who, absent help, might give up or abandon their animals.
The deal with Farm & Fleet comes after Mounds Petfood Warehouse severed ties with the humane society earlier this year. That closed a satellite adoption center that across 14 years helped the shelter find new homes for more than 1,300 animals. It also meant the society no longer would get food free or at cost.
Angela Rhodes was out as society executive director soon afterward, and the society hired Frazier in June. Despite his lack of experience in the animal care industry, that decision is proving to be wise. Frazier's public relations background is helping the shelter build new bridges with interested organizations and heal wounded relationships with municipalities.
Collectively, these three stories are good for our communities and residents who care about pets and all animals.


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Theories - Origin of Life
Discussion of everything related to the Theory of Evolution.
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From your supplied link
This is how Kellogg introduces his proposal.
Point 1
His first sentence clearly states the best documented aspect of evolution is " change with respect to time of characteristics of a species.
Are you not aware that this change is within a species.
I am not aware that anyone disagrees with this micro evolutionary change.
Not even creationists as far as I am aware.
May I encourage you to read what I have written, not what you think I have.
Point 2
Kellogg clearly recognised this and that is why he in this paper agrees with Eldridge and Gould on their "proposal" of punctuated equilibra
So he doesn't agree with gradualism but prefers punctuated equilibrium.
Again are you not aware that these are proposals or hypothesis and not fact as you have so confidently asserted
Point 3
Let me refer you to his website here
http://www.geology.um.maine.edu/user/Da ... blications
This is what he states are his interests
My interests are in three fields of study:
1. Evolutionary Biology, particularly the tempo and mode of evolution. I pursue the long continuous records of siliceous microfossils in deep-sea sediment cores to test hypotheses about the rate and timing of morphologic change - is it continual, continuous, or episodic; what does that tell us about the nature of evolution at and above the species level? I am also interested in the more purely philosophical questions of species individuality, and the ethical implications of evolutionary biology…….
Notice he presents his hypothesis. Of course he is not sure whether change is continual, continuous, or episodic.
Now if you wish to present hypotheses as facts then may I suggest you get a clearer understanding of the meaning of terms used in science.
Re: Theories - Origin of Life
May I refer you to my post below.
by scottie » Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:44 pm
There I explained that there are different levels of information that govern cell processes.
The DNA coding resides at the lowest level and codes for protein.
Above that, is a level of information that differentiates into cell types that then have to be arranged into tissues.
We don't know where the information that controls this process resides.
Above that then, we have information that controls the arrangement of the tissues into organs
We we don't know where that information resides.
These organs then have to be arranged into body plans, the forms we see in life.
Again ditto
Now these higher levels of organization go beyond the DNA level.
In other words DNA does not control these higher order processes.
DNA controls the form and expression of proteins.
This is why changes in DNA (however incurred) can only alter the protein level.
Now Darwinian theory ( I have to assume that you subscribe to Darwinian theory) only deals with mutations to DNA.
Therefore you can mutate DNA as much as you like and no new forms of organisms will arise.
Quorum sensing is just another demonstration of the higher orders of information that control cell processes.
In fact it appears that the information being used is above even cell level.
You will have noticed that Bonnie Bassler explained that there is communication not just between bacteria of the same species but also between different species.
All this information is quite definitely not being controlled by DNA.
Therefore evolution theory of any description that is based on DNA modifications simply cannot account for the forms and communication levels we see in nature.
What makes these theories even more unrealistic,is that they are all firmly rooted in the notion of random modifications of DNA.
Yet all over we see highly non-random structures.
I have covered this is previous posts.
It is not my intention to destroy anyone's belief. People have different belief systems and I feel they should be respected even if one disagrees with them.
The problem evolutionary theory has is that it is portrayed as a scientific fact, and has been made into a dogma that has to be obeyed.
Anyone who dares to oppose it is branded some sort of a heretic.
So if something is portrayed as a scientific fact then it has to be shown to be so using known science. If it can't be then it is simply another philosophy.
Clearly evolutional theory fails in this regard, as I have been trying to show over these past months.
The creationists are also entitled to believe whatever they want to and I also believe that their view should be respected.
However if they (and many of them do) claim that the universe was created in 6 24 hour days because the genesis account in the bible states that, then I have to take issue with that as well. There are other issues as well.
The genesis account says nothing of the kind and I suppose in due time I will be called on to prove it.
Now as regards the ID community.
Well, while they have a lot of good science they call upon, I again find there is not a consistency in their composite view.
I can go on to explain if asked, but I think this posting is long enough.
Hope that answers your question.
Please correct me if I'm wrong on this, but aren't all known viruses parasitical? That is, they are basically reproductive molecules that require the use of another organism's host cells to replicate themselves. The virus takes over the cell's own DNA and causes it to replicate the virus instead. If that's so, then the first organisms couldn't very well have been viruses. Am I missing something?
Re: Theories - Origin of Life
No you are not missing anything.
Wikipedia describes a virus this way
"Virus particles (known as virions) consist of two or three parts: the genetic material made from either DNA or RNA, long molecules that carry genetic information; a protein coat that protects these genes; and in some cases an envelope of lipids that surrounds the protein coat when they are outside a cell."
How is the protein manufactured? --- In a cell
Since a cell is required to manufacture protein, how on earth can anyone postulate that virus could have appeared before cells.
All this speculation is nothing but just that.
There is no science behind all this.
Re: Theories - Origin of Life
The scientific merit of the Darwinian macro evolutionary account in all it's forms, as the accumulating evidence shows is rather tenuous and unravelling rapidly.
There is fierce resistance but that can only last so long.
What about the Genesis account, which is the other main view?
Firstly it is important to recognise that the account is presented as a historical narrative as
Gen 2:4 clearly states.
" This is the history of the heavens and Earth in the DAY of their being created. in the DAY that God made earth and heaven."
The word day (Hebrew yowm) is used 15 times in the account and it's meaning varies depending on the context.
It varies from the distinction between light and darkness (night and day, i.e. roughly about 12 hours) to and unspecified creative period, finally to all the creative periods together, as the quote above clearly demonstrates.
Now the creationist (in particular the young earth) view is that the days mentioned in the account represent 24 hour periods.
There is no internal evidence that this is so. In fact there is nothing in the account to warrant an understanding that these created days were literal 24 hour periods.
The 24 hour period for each creative day is clearly a dogma and not based on evidence.
However can any part of the account be analysed scientifically?
The first 8 verses relating to Days 1 and 2 simply cannot.
However the process attributed to day 3 is interesting.
Vrs 9 & 10 reads
And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry [land] appear: and it was so.
And God called the dry [land] Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that [it was] good.
Current scientific understanding does seem to support this statement.
The evidence below shows that current science agrees that the landmass of the earth was all in one place in the past.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... 74,00.html
There are some other points worthy of note but I will leave that to another post
Thanks Scottie,
Finally showing your true color and answering to the question, you take the christian god for the creator.
Would you provide evidence that the genesis account is the other main view. I seriously doubt that.
And how cute it is to see you cherry picking verse to shoehorn science in that view. So a few more questions:
- Why Genesis 2, and not Genesis 1? Both chapters contain a creation myth.
- But they are diffrent so I do you chose which is more true, considering that, as you handily provide evidence for (at least for Gen 2), the link with our scientific understanding of the creation of the earth is quite hmmm.... patchy, shall we say?
- Do you know your Geology? And do you read your links? Because Pangea was not the first mega continent, and it is probably impossible to say waht the first continent or group thereof looked like.
But at least we can agree on something, your post on the origin of virus is correct. Since they are parasites and cannot self replicate, virus cannot be at the origin of life.
Science has proof without any certainty. Creationists have certainty without
any proof. (Ashley Montague)
Re: Theories - Origin of Life
Glad to see you have come "alive"again.
You had gone very quiet recently, mind you it came as no surprise to me since your previous arguments fell apart.
Whatever happened to your last comment on this thread, remember this
But you are alive again so let me remind you that you still have not put to record which evolutionary account you subscribe to.
Why are you finding it so difficult to respond to such a simple question?
Well I am not going to hold my breath on any response on this.
However let me deal with your assertions one by one.
(btw. my favourite colour is green, I have a suspicion yours will be gravitating toward red. )
First of all I was providing an answer to MY rhetorical question.
The genesis account refers to the God of the Hebrews, not to your so called "christian god".
A good piece of advice is to know your subject before you start making strong assertions.
No no be in no serious doubt at all.
The creation view is most definitely the other main view of origins with the main creation account found in genesis.
Why? here is the reason.
Tell me do you attack with the same disparaging comments anyone espousing a different view from Darwin's hypothesis but still positing a materialist stand?
Ofcourse you don't.
There could of course be a couple of reasons for this
(a) you are not really sure what your own view is, which I suspect is the case since you are so reticent to put it to record. But also
(b) it doesn't really matter to you what is proposed so long as that view does not interfere with your philosophy.
I have repeatedly made the point that these materialistic hypotheses are grounded in a philosophical view and not a scientific one. Prove me wrong.
Now just state quite clearly what your view is and the scientific basis for it and we can then examine the veracity of it.
Don't keep catcalling from the sidelines. It demeans you.
Because there is only one creation account in genesis.
The creation account of chapter one ends in chapter 2:4.
Now before you go ahead and display any more lack of understanding on this subject I would advise you to get at least a smattering of knowledge of this matter.
Not quite sure what you are getting at here apart from the obvious sarcasm (which of course I am getting used to ) but let me try to educate you a little.
The original genesis account was an edited version from pre existing histories that were inscribed probably on clay tablets.
The chapter headings and verses we see in bibles today are the work of translators of the King James Version of 1611. They are not the originals.
(there is a little bit more but I am not going to bore you with the details)
The genesis account is an edited version of 12 histories, each history concluding with the chapter and verses as follows.
Chapter 2:4, 5:1, 6:9, 10:1, 11:10, 11:27, 25:12, 25:19, 36:1, 36:4, 37:2 and the last 50:26.
Note please these are historical accounts. I am not cherry picking anything, but merely examining anything from the account that could be in accordance with known science.
So please read what I am actually writing not what you may wish it to be.
Yes I do know my geology, and yes again and I do read the links I provide.
I suggest you read the USGS link properly.
First, you will not find that I used the word Pangea anywhere in my post.
Secondly the name Pangea relates to the "Continental drift theory" not plate tectonics.
Now Patrick you are showing signs of desperation here.
Neither I nor the genesis account (1:1 to 2:4) mention any geographical names.
A feature of the account is the fact that no geographical names are mentioned.
Even the sun and moon are referred to as the greater and lesser lights.
This suggests that the account was initially set down before any geographical names were invented.
Geographical names first appear in Chapter 2:8.
Also the account and I make no mention of what the land mass looked like, simply that it was all in one place, just as the modern day view is, that is all.
Are you trying to introduce a red herring in an attempt to camouflage some interesting information?
Now there are a few more interesting little nuggets but I had better wait until you cool down a bit before I enrage you again.
Re: Theories - Origin of Life
I forgot to respond to your last comment regarding your agreement with me.
Well actually I am not exactly in agreement with you here.
The virus could not predate the cell because it is essentially a protein shell housing some bits of nucleic acid (either DNA or RNA, depending on the virus) but not because it is a parasite which of course it is.
Protein could only come from a pre existing cell process.
The cell had to have predated the protein because it contains the processes that make protein.
So if we are to have common ground, and it's nice to have some, I would like to be clear what that ground actually is.
This is an important fact as I hope will become clear.
A specially commissioned piece of research by NASA is available online by the National Academies Press entitled
The Limits of Organic Life in Planetary Systems
Here are some extracts.
Page 60
my emphasis
There is a lot of good and honest science being put forward here.
What is it telling us?
Firstly -- There is no "plausible" route to complex biomolecules.
Secondly -- An external source of free energy is needed to form these compounds.
In other words some outside agency is required.
Thirdly -- Clearly in water, either thermodynamically or chemically, biomolecules whether they are nucleotides or oligonucleotides or amino acids chains, cannot form spontaneously.
Yet Darwin and many others, like Stanley Miller and Harold Urey and many others have all posited and indeed continue to try to show that life could have spontaneously originated in water.
All this in spite of science being against them.
When I have said that these hypotheses have no bases in science, even NASA agrees with me.
The cell had to predate the protein, there is no way around this in science.
Philosophically, one may wish to hypothesize chemical processes that lead up to the formation of a cell, but scientifically they are implausible.
As NASA research has confirmed, an outside agency is required.
Re: Theories - Origin of Life
Origin of Life.
Since no one is prepared to reveal what is their understanding of the processes that cause speciation other than simply state that, "evolution is a fact",
I will try and describe my understanding of what the consensus opinion appears to be.
How can Life be defined?
Here is a definition
Life is a system of chemicals that possess functional information (i.e.knowledge) in their molecules and a mechanism to implement that knowledge in such a way that the system can survive and replicate itself.
My understanding of the Molecular theory of evolution
Sections of DNA store information needed to make proteins. This is functional information (knowledge) and this is what constitutes a gene.
This knowledge is passed from generation to generation by a process of replication.
Chance or random errors during replication or other causes, create the potential to make new genes.
These mutations may create new information or alter existing information.
In either case nature preserves the beneficial mutations ( i.e. the knowledge to modify or make new proteins) by the process of natural selection, while the other mutations survive only by chance.
Over millions of years changes in existing genes result in new genes and that is the way animals adapt and evolve.
The problem with this framework is that if an existing gene evolves into a new gene with a new function then the old function will be lost.
Natural selection however will not allow that to happen, for obvious reasons.
So it was hypothesised that existing genes do not evolve into new genes unless the first gene is duplicated.
This duplicate copy is now free to evolve while the first maintains its function.
This theory has since been refined by further suggesting that pieces of genes may be duplicated and then rearranged to create new genes with new functions.
This is the theory that essentially explains the origin of many genes.
Remember all these mutations are chance (random)mutations that can only be filtered by natural selection if they have function, (i.e. they produce protein.)
Natural selection cannot act on any stretch of DNA unless it has a function that has produced a protein
Also remember that the cell is presumed to be in existence for this hypothesis to even get started.
Also this process is blind and has no foresight.
So the origin of the cell is unanswered and as we are now discovering there are no natural plausible pathways to the production of complex biochemical molecules.
What does that leave us with?
I like that last post.
At least it makes clear what we can agree and disagree on.
Basically you got the gist of how genes do evolve, change multiply. I just would like to add that gene duplictaion is not the only way to create new genes. So genes can be fully acquired from another organism (but it need to have evolved there) by horizontal gene transfer, and some genes that become useless because e.g. the environment changed are not the subject of selective pressure and can evolve in interesting new ways.
Plus there are genes that affect the regulation, the expression or even the folding of the protein. All that can drastically affect survival in certain conditions.
But I digress, you seem to accept that all that is convincingly proved and that it can happen. Am I right?
So your biggest problem is not how can the information multiply and change over time, it is only it can appear in the first place. Your problem is not with evolutionper se, but with the creation of life.
In which case Genesis 1 (I checked, it is in the first chapter, and you were right there is only one version of the creation of life on the earth, the 2 different stories in genesis 1 and 2 are about the creation of man), is not massively helpful either because it just tell us that it is so because of the word of god. Hmmmm...
The science of the creation of life is much more complicated than that of the following evolution for a simple reason. Whatever the first self replicating organisms, or more likely molecules (Science's best bet is currently self replicating RNAs with catalytic activity, as those things can be observed), they did not leave traces to be analyzed, so it is as much a game of conjectures based on the current observed outcome and what we know about the primitive atmosphere's (and there is guesswork there) composition and conditions. A few hypothesis have been offered, but since the conditions are hard to replicate (who has a set of empty planets at the right position and a few billion years to observe the outcome? And even more importantly the funding to run the experiment? ) it will probably stay at least very informed guesses at best.
But they are based on observation and fact. The problem with assuming a creator are multiple and honestly strong enough to make the hypothesis quite implausible. I will refer you to the very nicely written open letter of R. Dawkins to the Gov. Perry. because he writes so much better than I do:
In my word: If one assume that information cannot arise spontaneously, which is what you do, then we have to assume that an original agent created the self replicating information. But that leave us with the problem of the origin of this first agent. It is just like panspermia, life may not have originated on earth (makes the game of informed guesses about the condition for the origin of life even more complicated), but the process for its creation somewhere else must have followed the same general rules. It is just moving the problem without providing any new information. So pray tell me, where does the original agent come from?
This is not science, this is logic. In science when you are making an argument you have to demonstrate that it holds water. You can spend hours on the rest if your foundation is leaky, however beautifully crafted and built is the rest of the edifice, it will crash down. So will you finally answer my simple question? As long as you cannot even provide any clue, speculation or whatever beginning of information about that, all the rest is just wind. If you keep posting your long winded diatribes and ignoring that little fact, I will have to assume that there is no point in having a discussion with you. So, once again and very clearly:
Where does the original agent come from?
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