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Hepatic Safety of Currently Used Antiretroviral Regimens in Patients With Chronic Hepatitis Under Real Life Conditions
This study has been completed.
Valme University Hospital
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First Posted: July 26, 2013
Last Update Posted: November 11, 2015
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Hospital Universitario Virgen Macarena
Complejo Hospitalario de Especialidades Juan Ramón Jimenez
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Karin Neukam, Valme University Hospital
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The purpose of this study is to compare the liver toxicity in HIV-infected patients with chronic hepatitis B and/or hepatitis C, who start a new antiretroviral drug regimen, as well as the influence of the degree of pre-existing liver fibrosis on the incidence of liver toxicity.
|Human Immunodeficiency Virus Hepatitis B, Chronic Hepatitis C, Chronic
|Drug: antiretroviral drugs
|Study Type:
|Observational [Patient Registry]
|Study Design:
|Observational Model: Cohort
Time Perspective: Prospective
|Target Follow-Up Duration:
|1 Year
|Official Title:
|Hepatic Safety of Currently Used Antiretroviral Regimens in HIV-infected Patients With Chronic Hepatitis B and/or Hepatitis C Under Real Life Conditions: The HEPAVIR HEPATIC SAFETY Cohort.
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MedlinePlus related topics: HIV/AIDS Hepatitis Hepatitis A Hepatitis B Hepatitis CU.S. FDA Resources
Further study details as provided by Karin Neukam, Valme University Hospital:
Primary Outcome Measures:
- Incidence of grade 3 or 4 transaminase elevations [ Time Frame: one year ]
Secondary Outcome Measures:
- Incidence of grade 3 or 4 bilirubin elevations [ Time Frame: one year ]
- Percentage of patients with undetectable HIV RNA at the end of follow-up [ Time Frame: one year ]
- CD4 cell count at the end of follow-up [ Time Frame: one year ]
|Study Start Date:
|January 2007
|Study Completion Date:
|October 2015
|Primary Completion Date:
|September 2015 (Final data collection date for primary outcome measure)
|Assigned Interventions
Antiretroviral drugs
Pre-treated or treatment-naive HIV-infected patients with chronic hepatitis B and/or chronic hepatitis C who change an existing antiretroviral regimen or who start a new regimen.
Drug: antiretroviral drugs
zidovudine lamivudine emtricitabine abacavir tenofovir nevirapine efavirenz etravirine rilpivirine lopinavir atazanavir fosamprenavir darunavir raltegravir maraviroc ritonavir
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|Ages Eligible for Study:
|18 Years and older (Adult, Senior)
|Sexes Eligible for Study:
|Accepts Healthy Volunteers:
|Sampling Method:
|Probability Sample
Study Population
Patients seen at the infectious disease unit of a terciary care center
Inclusion Criteria:
- Older than 18 years
- HIV-1 infection as confirmed by ELISA and western blot
- Chronic HCV infection as confirmed by HCV antibodies in plasma, as well as a positive HCV viral load determined by polymerase chain reaction OR chronic hepatitis B infection as confirmed by HBsAg
- Treatment-naive or pretreated patients who start a new antiretroviral regimen that includes at least one drug that has not been received by the patient before
- At least one week of exposure to new regimen
- Liver biopsy or transient elastometry determination within 12 months prior to treatment initiation
Exclusion Criteria:
- Pregnancy
- Treatment against hepatitis C virus infection
- Presence of opportunistic infections, including tuberculosis, neoplasia, autoimmune diseases. Patients receiving primary or secondary chemotherapy against an opportunistic process are not included.
- Any liver disease of vascular, metabolic, biliary, autoimmune or tumoral origin
- Patients who are not able to provide written informed consent to participate in the study
- Lack of scheduled clinical visits including blood analysis throughout study period
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Please refer to this study by its ClinicalTrials.gov identifier (NCT number): NCT01908660
Please refer to this study by its ClinicalTrials.gov identifier (NCT number): NCT01908660
|Hospital Universitario de Valme
|Seville, Spain, 41014
Sponsors and Collaborators
Valme University Hospital
Hospital Universitario Virgen de la Victoria
Hospital Universitario Reina Sofia
Hospital Torrecárdenas
Hospital de la Línea de la Concepción
Hospital Poniente
Hospital Universitario Virgen Macarena
Complejo Hospitalario de Especialidades Juan Ramón Jimenez
|Principal Investigator:
|Karin I Neukam, PhD
|Hospital Universitario de Valme
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Additional relevant MeSH terms:
Neukam K, Mira JA, Ruiz-Morales J, Rivero A, Collado A, Torres-Cornejo A, Merino D, de Los Santos-Gil I, Macías J, González-Serrano M, Camacho A, Parra-García G, Pineda JA; SEGURIDAD HEPÁTICA Study Team of the Grupo HEPAVIR de la Sociedad Andaluza de Enfermedades Infecciosas (SAEI). Liver toxicity associated with antiretroviral therapy including efavirenz or ritonavir-boosted protease inhibitors in a cohort of HIV/hepatitis C virus co-infected patients. J Antimicrob Chemother. 2011 Nov;66(11):2605-14. doi: 10.1093/jac/dkr357. Epub 2011 Sep 7.
van Leth F, Phanuphak P, Ruxrungtham K, Baraldi E, Miller S, Gazzard B, Cahn P, Lalloo UG, van der Westhuizen IP, Malan DR, Johnson MA, Santos BR, Mulcahy F, Wood R, Levi GC, Reboredo G, Squires K, Cassetti I, Petit D, Raffi F, Katlama C, Murphy RL, Horban A, Dam JP, Hassink E, van Leeuwen R, Robinson P, Wit FW, Lange JM; 2NN Study team. Comparison of first-line antiretroviral therapy with regimens including nevirapine, efavirenz, or both drugs, plus stavudine and lamivudine: a randomised open-label trial, the 2NN Study. Lancet. 2004 Apr 17;363(9417):1253-63.
Molina JM, Andrade-Villanueva J, Echevarria J, Chetchotisakd P, Corral J, David N, Moyle G, Mancini M, Percival L, Yang R, Wirtz V, Lataillade M, Absalon J, McGrath D; CASTLE Study Team. Once-daily atazanavir/ritonavir compared with twice-daily lopinavir/ritonavir, each in combination with tenofovir and emtricitabine, for management of antiretroviral-naive HIV-1-infected patients: 96-week efficacy and safety results of the CASTLE study. J Acquir Immune Defic Syndr. 2010 Mar;53(3):323-32. doi: 10.1097/QAI.0b013e3181c990bf.
Ortiz R, Dejesus E, Khanlou H, Voronin E, van Lunzen J, Andrade-Villanueva J, Fourie J, De Meyer S, De Pauw M, Lefebvre E, Vangeneugden T, Spinosa-Guzman S. Efficacy and safety of once-daily darunavir/ritonavir versus lopinavir/ritonavir in treatment-naive HIV-1-infected patients at week 48. AIDS. 2008 Jul 31;22(12):1389-97. doi: 10.1097/QAD.0b013e32830285fb.
Rockstroh J, Teppler H, Zhao J, Sklar P, Harvey C, Strohmaier K, Leavitt R, Nguyen BY. Safety and efficacy of raltegravir in patients with HIV-1 and hepatitis B and/or C virus coinfection. HIV Med. 2012 Feb;13(2):127-31. doi: 10.1111/j.1468-1293.2011.00933.x. Epub 2011 May 22.
Pineda JA, Santos J, Rivero A, Abdel-Kader L, Palacios R, Camacho A, Lozano F, Macías J; Liverey Study Investigator Team. Liver toxicity of antiretroviral combinations including atazanavir/ritonavir in patients co-infected with HIV and hepatitis viruses: impact of pre-existing liver fibrosis. J Antimicrob Chemother. 2008 Apr;61(4):925-32. doi: 10.1093/jac/dkn045. Epub 2008 Feb 14.
Palacios R, Vergara S, Rivero A, Aguilar I, Macías J, Camacho A, Lozano F, García-Lázaro M, Pineda JA, Torre-Cisneros J, Márquez M, Santos J. Low incidence of severe liver events in HIV patients with and without hepatitis C or B coinfection receiving lopinavir/ritonavir. HIV Clin Trials. 2006 Nov-Dec;7(6):319-23.
Macías J, Neukam K, Portilla J, Iribarren JA, de Los Santos I, Rivero A, Márquez M, Delgado M, Téllez F, Merino D, Giner L, von Wichmann MA, Pineda JA; HEPRAL study team. Liver tolerance of raltegravir-containing antiretroviral therapy in HIV-infected patients with chronic hepatitis C. J Antimicrob Chemother. 2011 Jun;66(6):1346-50. doi: 10.1093/jac/dkr083. Epub 2011 Mar 10.
Aranzabal L, Casado JL, Moya J, Quereda C, Diz S, Moreno A, Moreno L, Antela A, Perez-Elias MJ, Dronda F, Marín A, Hernandez-Ranz F, Moreno A, Moreno S. Influence of liver fibrosis on highly active antiretroviral therapy-associated hepatotoxicity in patients with HIV and hepatitis C virus coinfection. Clin Infect Dis. 2005 Feb 15;40(4):588-93. Epub 2005 Jan 21.
|Responsible Party:
|Karin Neukam, PhD, Valme University Hospital
|ClinicalTrials.gov Identifier:
|NCT01908660 History of Changes
|Other Study ID Numbers:
|First Submitted:
|June 28, 2013
|First Posted:
|July 26, 2013
|Last Update Posted:
|November 11, 2015
|Last Verified:
|November 2015
Keywords provided by Karin Neukam, Valme University Hospital:
hepatitis C virus
hepatitis B virus
antiretroviral drugs
nucleos(t)ide reverse transcriptase inhibitors
non-nucleos(t)ide reverse transcriptase inhibitors
protease inhibitors
integrase inhibitors
entry inhibitors
transaminase elevations
alanine aminotransferase
aspartate aminotransferase
bilirubin elevations
hepatic fibrosis
Additional relevant MeSH terms:
Hepatitis A
Hepatitis C
Hepatitis, Chronic
Hepatitis B
Immunologic Deficiency Syndromes
Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome
HIV Infections
Hepatitis C, Chronic
Hepatitis B, Chronic
Liver Diseases
Digestive System Diseases
Hepatitis, Viral, Human
Virus Diseases
Enterovirus Infections
Picornaviridae Infections
RNA Virus Infections
Flaviviridae Infections
Hepadnaviridae Infections
DNA Virus Infections
Immune System Diseases
Lentivirus Infections
Retroviridae Infections
Sexually Transmitted Diseases, Viral
Sexually Transmitted Diseases
Slow Virus Diseases
Reverse Transcriptase Inhibitors
Nucleic Acid Synthesis Inhibitors
Enzyme Inhibitors
Molecular Mechanisms of Pharmacological Action


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Hi, I'm Peg. I live in Naples, FL. I grew up on the Eastern Shores of Delaware and Maryland and I love boats and old cars. I love animals when they are mocking human nature, and I love human nature when it is expressing joy. I love all my WU FRIENDS and the way you all share your lives and experiences through your photos is precious to me. This is all so much fun!!!
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Cause of Lake Geneva fire under investigation
LAKE GENEVA — The cause of a New Year's Day fire at a Lake Geneva apartment complex is under investigation, Lake Geneva Fire Department Capt. Mark Moller-Gunderson said.
The fire at the three-story apartment complex at 250 Havenwood Drive was reported at 1:49 p.m. Wednesday.
The fire was contained to one apartment in the 67-unit building, Moller-Gunderson said.
The fire could have started in a bathroom ceiling fan, but Moller-Gunderson could not say for certain.
Damage was limited to the single apartment and a few apartment doors knocked down when firefighters were evacuating the building.
No one was injured in the fire. One person was transported to Aurora Lakeland Medical Center in Elkhorn for a preexisting condition, Moller-Gunderson said.
More than 100 firefighters and police from the Lake Geneva Fire Department and other area departments responded to the call.
Officers remained on scene for three hours until the residents were able to enter the building.
A damage total has not yet been determined.


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Time Requests
This is the top left panel of the PIT, when "Time Requests" is selected from the "Overview / Time Requests / Scheduling / Submit" options shown below the panel. A video tutorial is also available for this section.
Proposal Class: Please select from one of the five options in the drop down menu. Indicate if your proposal is to be considered as a large program at Gemini, a queue program at Gemini, a classical program at Gemini, an exchange program at Subaru or Keck, or "Other" which includes Director's Time, Science Verification, Demo Science, and Poor Weather.
Large/long proposals: In the next line indicate if your program is a Target of Opportunity (ToO) program, and if it is then select whether the program will need to trigger Standard or Rapid ToO observations. Rapid ToO large/long programs may also trigger standard ToOs but make sure that this is justified in the Science Justification or Experimental Design. If you are requesting time from both Gemini North and South, then give the time request from each telescope in the Technical Justification section of the PDF attachment. The time request is then entered by clicking on the watch icon. Enter the total and minimum times requested for the entire program as well as the times requested for the first semester.
Queue proposals: If your program is a queue program, the next line will become "Consider for Band 3?". If your program is suitable for Band 3 then select "Yes" from the drop down menu, and click on the box to the right to enter both the full and minimum time allocation that is useful for you to get science in Band 3. If an allocation in Band 3 is acceptable, the Band 3 time request is different than the regular request, and it is a joint proposal, then be sure to state the time request from each partner in the "Band 3 Plan" section of the PDF attachment. Below the Band 3 entry, indicate if your program is a Target of Opportunity (ToO) program, and if it is then select whether the triggers will be Standard or Rapid. If you are requesting time from both Gemini North and South, then give the time request from each telescope in the Technical Justification section of the PDF attachment.
Classical Proposals: If your program is a
classical program, the next line will become "Visitors". Click on the box to indicate which of the investigators will
visit the telescope for your run.
Other Proposals: If your proposal is a Director's Time, Science Verification, Demo Science, or Poor Weather program, select the appropriate type from the drop down menu below the Proposal Class entry. Then enter the time request by clicking on the watch icon.
Request Type: Indicate, using this drop down menu, whether you are asking for
Gemini partner time, or whether the PI is a Keck or Subaru community astronomer.
Gemini partner request: Enter the amount of time requested from the appropriate partner(s). Double click on the partner to enter the information in a dialog like that shown below.
Give the total amount of time and the minimum acceptable time requested from this partner. This is the classical or Band 1/2 time request; the Band 3 time is entered via the box to the right of the "Consider for Band 3?" entry. Indicate the investigator that is the Lead investigator for each partner. If you have entered times for a partner and want to remove the partner request either enter 0s for both times or check the "Remove Partner" checkbox. Then click Ok.
The total and minimum times requested for classical or Band 1/2, and for Band 3, are summarized in the bottom line of the window. Proposal checks compare the requested times with the total times defined in the observations sections and compare regular and minimum times. Discrepancies are noted in the Problems section at the bottom of the main window.


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Gloria "Fido" W. Haried, Edgerton, WI (1932-2014)
January 31, 1932 - March 25, 2014
Gloria "Fido" W. Haried, 82, of Edgerton, passed away on Tuesday, March 25, 2014, at her home, with her loving family by her side. She was born on Jan. 31, 1932, in Stoughton, daughter of the late William and Gertrude (Kingland) Bjornstad. She was united in marriage on June 5, 1954, to Donald Zaborek; he preceded her in death on Aug. 29, 1976. She, then, married Dale Haried, on Sept. 8, 1984, at Central Lutheran Church, Edgerton. She was a member of Central Lutheran Church. Gloria had worked for many years at the Edgerton Clinic. She enjoyed reading, walking, dancing, traveling, collecting teddy bears, watching cardinals and hummingbirds. Her special love was being with her children, step-children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren.
Gloria is survived by her loving husband of 29 years, Dale of Edgerton; one daughter, Kathy Luzzatto of Iron River, WI; two sons, David (Maggie) Zaborek of West Bend, WI, and Daniel "Boone" (Angie) Zaborek of Williston, ND; one step-daughter, Bonnie (Mike) Lannoy of Waterloo, WI; one step-son, Brad Haried of Edgerton; one son-in-law, Steve Spors of Le Claire, IA; 11 grandchildren; and three great-grandchildren; one brother, Marlow Bjornstad of Milton; nieces, nephews and cousins. Fido was preceded in death by one daughter, Teresa "T" Spors.
Funeral services will be held at Noon on Saturday, March 29, 2014, at CENTRAL LUTHERAN CHURCH, Edgerton, with the Rev. James M. Johnson officiating. Burial will be in Jenson Cemetery. Friends may call at the CHURCH on Saturday, March 29, from 10 a.m. until the time of the service. In Lieu of other expressions of sympathy, memorials may be made to Central Lutheran Church or Home Health United Hospice, Madison. The EHLERT FUNERAL HOME AND CREMATION SERVICES of Edgerton, is assisting the family. Condolences may be expressed at ehlertfuneralhome.com


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STMicro tops MEMS market ranking
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LONDON STMicroelectronics NV increased its sales by 10 percent to $1 billion in 2012, pulling out a lead of more than $150 million in revenue over its next closest rivals in Yole Developpement's annual ranking of the top 30 MEMS companies.
The MEMS industry overall saw another 10 percent growth year to become an $11 billion market in 2012, according to Yole. This was in a year when the semiconductor industry overall saw a 2 percent decline. The top 30 companies ranked in the chart below account for nearly 75 percent of the MEMS market, Yole said.
In 2011 ST was the joint leader of the MEMS market alongside digital micromirror maker Texas Instruments. ST pulled out a commanding lead in 2012 and Robert Bosch achieved even higher 14 percent growth, to $842 million in MEMS sales, pushing ahead of both Texas Instruments and Hewlett Packard for the first time to become the second-ranked MEMS firm.
Both ST and Bosch have expanding their consumer product lines including combination sensors in single packages for easier integration in smartphones and tablet computers.
ST, Bosch and other inertial sensor suppliers saw strong revenue growth despite a 20 to 30 percent drop in average selling prices for accelerometers and gyroscopes over the year. "ST increased unit production by 58 percent, to 1.3 billion MEMS devices in 2012, up to some 4 million units a day not counting its foundry business," said Laurent Robin, MEMS analyst with Yole, in a statement. ST's billion-dollar sales includes foundry work making inkjet heads for Hewlett Packard that Yole estimates to have been worth about $200 million in 2012.
Despite such price falls InvenSense improved its position from 18 and revenue of $144 million in 2011 to joint 14 with sales of $187 million. Murata moved from being ranked 30 in 2011 to 16 in 2012 with sales of $179 million due to its acquisition of VTI Technologies Oy at the beginning of 2012.
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The top 30 MEMS companies ranked by sales in 2012. Source: Yole Developpement, April 2013.


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Presidential Pick
One of the biggest stories of November—and of the last several years—was the 2012 presidential election. On Nov. 6, Americans re-elected President Barack Obama to another four-year term by a margin of 332 electoral votes over Republican challenger Mitt Romney's 206.
Obama's continued residency in the Oval Office means that many of the legislative reforms of his first term will remain in effect, notably the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act and the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act. Less certain is the outcome of the current fiscal cliff debate over the automatic package of tax increases and spending cuts scheduled to take effect Jan. 1, which many experts predict would return the country to a recession.
On Thursday, administration officials proposed a plan for avoiding the crisis. But Republicans promptly rejected the deal, arguing that it did not include any spending cuts. The Obama administration, however, maintains that there will be no agreement without increased taxes for high-income Americans. In a sign of the continuing deadlock, Republican Speaker of the House John Boehner told journalists that "no substantive progress has been made between the White House and the House," in the past two weeks.
Meningitis Mishap
Lawsuits continue to pile up against a Massachusetts pharmacy that allegedly caused a deadly nationwide outbreak by selling steroids contaminated with fungal meningitis. The New England Compounding Center allegedly manufactured the defective doses, which sickened almost 500 people and killed 36.
As part of its investigation into the outbreak, the House of Representatives Energy and Commerce Committee subpoenaed NECC Chief Pharmacist Barry Cadden earlier this month. At the subsequent Congressional hearing, Cadden invoked his Fifth Amendment rights and refused to testify. His attorneys, however, later told a federal judge that Cadden and his wife, NECC co-owner Lisa Cadden, haven't compounded drugs at the pharmacy for years.
Of course, those claims haven't prevented victims of the outbreak from filing lawsuits against NECC. And their claims of negligence may have legs, considering that investigators in 2006 found the pharmacy's contamination control procedures to be inadequate.
Twinkies Terminated?
Twinkies—the snack food that we all thought would never die—had their survival threatened this month by a dispute between Hostess Brands Inc. and one of its labor unions. The trouble began when the bakery filed for Chapter 11 protection in Jan. 2011, just two years after emerging from a previous bankruptcy.
As part of the bankruptcy proceedings, Hostess received court approval to reject some union contracts, adjust certain retiree benefits and impose a wage-cutting contract with union employees in an effort to avoid collapse. Members of the Bakery, Confectionary, Tobacco and Grain Millers International Union went on strike in response to the contract, which sliced wages by 8 percent and reportedly cut benefits by 27 to 32 percent.
When the striking employees failed to return to work by Nov. 15, Hostess announced that it would liquidate. But don't despair Twinkie lovers: Hostess said this week that 110 buyers have expressed interested in purchasing its brands.
Abysmal Acquisition
In an epic case of a deal gone bad, Hewlett-Packard Co. (HP) announced on Nov. 20 that it would take an $8.8 billion non-cash charge related to its 2011 acquisition of software company Autonomy. HP bought the company for $11.1 billion, but subsequently learned that Autonomy's management team allegedly "used accounting improprieties, misrepresentations and disclosure failures to inflate the underlying financial metrics of the company" before the acquisition, according to a company statement.
Autonomy's former CEO Mike Lynch quickly denied the claims, saying through a spokeswoman that "HP's due diligence review was intensive" and that HP management was involved in the running of Autonomy.
Whoever is to blame, HP's stock fell precipitously on news of the large loss. Unsurprisingly, an unhappy HP investor has filed suit against the company, claiming that it knew that Autonomy's financial statements were unreliable before the deal went through. The man is seeking class action status for the suit.
Spill Settlement
It's been more than two and a half years since the Deepwater Horizon oil rig exploded in the Gulf of Mexico, killing 11 workers, injuring 17 others and pouring 4.9 million barrels of crude oil into the Gulf. In March, BP Plc agreed to a $7.8 billion class action settlement involving more than 100,000 plaintiffs that suffered either economic or medical damage as a result of the spill. That settlement is pending approval.
More recently, on Nov. 15, the oil company announced that it would pay $4.5 billion and plead guilty to 14 criminal charges to settle claims brought by the Department of Justice and the Securities and Exchange Commission. The settlement is the largest criminal penalty in U.S. history, surpassing the $1.3 billion that Pfizer Inc. paid for marketing fraud in 2009.
But the saga is far from over for BP, which still faces civil claims from the government. On Wednesday, the Environmental Protection Agency announced that it had temporarily suspended the company from any new U.S. government contracts because of its "lack of business integrity as demonstrated by [its] conduct with regard to the Deepwater Horizon blowout, explosion, oil spill and response."
The next day, the Coast Guard authorized an inspection of the Deepwater Horizon site, after a surface sheen raised concerns of additional oil leakage.


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Death notices for Feb. 24, 2014
Steven Armstrong, 62, Beloit, died Saturday at home. Private family services will be held. Daley Murphy Wisch & Associates Funeral Home and Crematorium, Beloit, is assisting the family.
Julia Binning, 91, Whitewater, formerly of Kansasville, died Friday at Rainbow Hospice, Johnson Creek. A Funeral Mass of Christian Burial will be held at 11 a.m. Thursday at St. Patrick's Catholic Church, Whitewater. Visitation will be from 9:30 a.m. until the time of services at the church. Polnasek-Daniels Funeral Home & Crematory, Union Grove, is assisting the family.
Frances V. Patrick, 101, South Beloit, Ill., died Wednesday at North Pointe Terrace, Roscoe, Ill. Services will be at 11 a.m. Wednesday at St. Peter Catholic Church, South Beloit. Visitation will be from 5 to 7 p.m. Tuesday at Daley Murphy Wisch & Associates Funeral Home and Crematorium, Beloit.


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Why The Religious Minded Rule Science With Science
Discussion of everything related to the Theory of Evolution.
Moderator: BioTeam
Why The Religious Minded Rule Science With Science
Here is a message now in Dover, PA (and number of other places) I know some here are going to like. It links to their Schools and Education forum where I answer some of the interesting comments but it is not a cross-forum, just where it had to be published so that the information makes it to the media and educators.
All through time there has been a small portion of the human population who are perpetually driven to gather evidence for their personal scientific theory that somehow helps explain where we came from. It is inherent to their behavior, a born in talent for writing scientific theory that few have. And they always have a very healthy religious side that helped make them the legends they became by giving them the ability to see no limit to what science can discover, even our Creator.
Charles Darwin attended divinity school on a mission to discover the Creator through science. He then found clues pertaining to our origin that were disturbing to his faith but still helpful to science so he none the less wrote about it. Now we honor with monuments this great scientist who actually had no scientific credentials at all, only a divinity degree. But in this case even Atheists can make an exception for him.
Albert Einstein saw himself explaining how God works so he was well in touch with his religious side. Young religious school taught Galileo wanted to be a monk and clergy respected him, then in college his professors gave up on him which helped start an academia feud that reached the pope.
Here below is the author of "Big Bang Theory" the Belgian Roman Catholic priest honorary prelate professor of physics and astronomer at the Catholic University of Leuven, Monsignor Georges Henri Joseph Édouard Lemaître all dressed up to look good for a science photo for the future to remember him by:
We also have to remember Sir Isaac Newton, who expected the clergy to see his way of interpreting scripture or else he had to loudly protest until they at least pacified him.
In Massachusetts there is the legend Dr. Reverend Edward Hitchcock who did not have a formal college education. But his self-learning very well educated him and he became president of still world-class Amherst College where he described dinosaur footprints and trace fossils like none had ever done in science before. This was way before modern paleontology and finding the deserts full of dinosaur skeletons so this is a large part of how the science of paleontology began in the Americas.
Below you can see the modern museum/shrine Reverend Hitchcock earned to go with his statue (lower-right of center) with major trace-fossil collection in background at the even bigger and better Natural History Museum they built in his honor:
Here we have a "liberal arts college" yet the most revered science legend of them all is a local reverend who had his own church and what he wrote pertaining to science and religion boils down to the search for the Creator in science that I often talk about. What they have of value is not something they believe one way or another, it is something that is discovered that produces scientific information that brings that human search a little further along the path they are traveling that leads to where all people want to go too. Scientists from all over the world come to what is essentially his shrine, to study his collection.
There is no doubt we can keep the faith and still be a science leader. Science more than has a place for those who have a very religious way of seeing things. These are the people who science most admirably remembers and always will. Therefore those with a healthy religious side are not the exception, we still rule!
And more proof of that is the link below to a topic in your schools and education forum where you will find a once thought impossible theory from the religious minded coming of age in science:
Keep the faith, as well as your scientific curiosity...
Even if one is extremely intelligent does not always mean they cannot be superstitious. In general, of course, the poorer and less-educated a person is or people are, the more likely they are to believe in gods or other imaginary creatures, but the abovementioned famous persons are exception to this general rule - though no doubt their "religious nature" is usually taken completely out of context.
Fortunately as people become more civilized and educated by time these superstitions become more rare and have less impact on the functioning of societies. Luckily, nowadays, vast majority of talented scientists do not have imaginary friends that tell them what they should do and what not.
It was definitely worse a couple of centuries ago and it'll likely be much better in few centuries. Hopefully by 2200 we realise that Odin or Amon Ra are just as likely rulers of the universe as are Jahve or Allah... which means we can regard them as interesting parts of history, but also smile at the naivity of the people who believed in them so mach that they spent fortunes in building monuments and temples for them and killed and murdered and waged war in their name countless of times. A bit pity, though, that we are quite unlikely to live to see that day ourselves.
Re: Why The Religious Minded Rule Science With Science
From what I have found so far I am very certain that it doesn't work that way. As is happening right now anti-religious scientists dwell on what cannot be done, the ultimate science-stoppers. Might make an OK lab technician or are able write papers maybe invent something, but a science changing theory requires going beyond where science leads into territory that at the time is considered "supernatural" or "religion" but is not. As a result, the only ones that dare going that far into the unknown for a theory that makes others obsolete must have a religious mind that sees no point sitting around writing pompous statements proclaiming all that is impossible to discover.
Re: Why The Religious Minded Rule Science With Science
There probably hasn't been any other power in the world that has hindered science as much as religion. Biotechnology, genetics, stem cell research are all constantly being undermined by religious people, scientists among them. Before these fields the unfortunate targets of religious fanatics were areas such as astronomy and evolution, and I'd anticipate that in the future big advancements in AI development may be also held back by the same people.
And how on earth you assume that a scientist has to believe in a god in order to make groundbreaking research, or that anti-religious scientists keep dwelling on what cannot be done? It is easy to see that as a general rule, the more religious a nation is the more backward it is: the Islamistic world and the Catholic lands are not only poorer (save from few oil countries) but also way behind in science when compared to more liberal western countries and Japan, where science does not tie people up.
Below is a quote from one of many studies that indicate that scientists are significantly less religious than people in general. In brief:
"(The authors) concluded that academics in the natural and social sciences at elite research universities are significantly less religious than the general population." (Ecklund, 2007)
"Leading Scientists Still Reject God" (Newsweek, 1998)
Almost whichever study you choose to look at, it is clear that in general scientists do not believe in god and elite scientists make no difference. Or should I say that most scientists are agnostics, because there is no way to disprove the existence of a god. Though there is no indication of the existence of any kind of god whatsoever so it's rather irrelevant to try to categorise people as atheists or agnostics anyway...
P.S. Has it ever occured to you that maybe these guys you mentioned in your original post either had to say they believed in god whether they actually did or didn't (maybe just because their mom always said there is a god), or that there would've been other great scientists that didn't belive in god as well, but they were suppressed by the church and their contemporary societies and thus never got their name to the books of history?
Also, here's a link to an article concerning that Ecklund's study:
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Story? ... 576&page=1
Forgot the original link to the article itself, but you'll probably find it by Google. And note, the results concenr elite research scientists, namely those you Gary claimed that must be religious.
"Almost 52 percent of the 1,646 scientists who participated in the study have no current religious affiliation compared with only 14 percent of the general population.
More than 31 percent said they do not believe in God, and another 31 percent said they do not know if there is a God and there is no way to find out -- a whopping 62 percent of those surveyed.
More than 56 percent did not attend a religious service during the entire year preceding the survey.
Only 9.7 percent said they have "no doubts about God's existence." "
Also, if we think about biology (which this forum is about), you notice that biologists are probably the most atheist/agnostic group of scientists one can find.
"Nearly all the scientists who said they believe in God, and have a current affiliation with a church, were raised in a home where religion was considered very important, [Ecklund] said. Thus, they conform to the same pattern seen in the population at large. As the twig is bent, so grows the tree. "
Religion is like an infectious disease as can clearly be seen. Unfortunately very difficult to cure as well, but luckily not impossible.
Re: Why The Religious Minded Rule Science With Science
Other than helping to understand science and the scientific issues, I have no affiliation with any church or follow one religion. Yet I am called a religious nutter, Bible-thumper and just about every religious insult that exists. I am now known as a "Creationist" even though my knowledge of the process of evolution is beyond those who gave me that label.
Anyone care to explain why working in the newer "intelligence" fields of science causes that to happen to even university level professors?
Re: Why The Religious Minded Rule Science With Science
I thought that a small sample of what I have to endure (including from bigoted academic teachers) would help..
gendo Posted: Today at 2:49 AM
Negative To make up for tlocity
tlocity Posted: Yesterday at 5:12 AM
Positive Very good science. On here you know you are right when you get neg from all the bigots.
TheDoc Posted: Aug 6 2009, 07:28 PM
Negative -
MjolnirPants Posted: Aug 1 2009, 04:45 AM
Negative Enormous Anus.
flyingbuttressman Posted: Aug 1 2009, 01:10 AM
Negative Giant Anus.
Granouille Posted: Aug 1 2009, 12:30 AM
Negative Screw yourself, you troll.
uaafanblog Posted: Jul 31 2009, 12:01 PM
Negative Doesn't know SQUAT about Nachos. Pitiful buggering dork.
Grumpy Posted: Jul 31 2009, 11:18 AM
Negative IDiot
TheDoc Posted: Jun 5 2009, 12:56 AM
Negative And here's -70, you deluded wackoidiot.
TheDoc Posted: May 16 2009, 05:08 PM
Negative And here's -70, you deluded wackoidiot.
Grumpy Posted: May 15 2009, 06:55 PM
Negative Pure Gibberish
TheDoc Posted: May 9 2009, 01:02 AM
Negative Goblin
Grumpy Posted: May 7 2009, 12:13 AM
Negative -
uaafanblog Posted: Apr 19 2009, 02:38 AM
Negative Because I haven't given you neg for almost a year.
TheDoc Posted: Apr 11 2009, 12:54 AM
Negative You are an idiot.
Geoff Mollusc Posted: Apr 4 2009, 07:58 AM
Negative Immeasurably stupid fucknut.
barakn Posted: Apr 4 2009, 06:35 AM
Negative -
TheDoc Posted: Apr 2 2009, 01:47 AM
Negative Facepalm imminent
gmilam Posted: Apr 1 2009, 12:48 PM
Negative http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqhreQQ4glA
Grumpy Posted: Apr 1 2009, 12:09 AM
Negative IDiotic
TheDoc Posted: Mar 25 2009, 07:51 PM
Negative -
Cusa Posted: Mar 9 2009, 05:27 AM
Positive Hey Gary.
Physfan Posted: Mar 8 2009, 09:25 PM
Negative Lives in fantasy land with the rest of that ethnic group, Fucktards.
Grumpy Posted: Mar 8 2009, 06:57 PM
Negative IDiot.
Geoff Mollusc Posted: Feb 27 2009, 06:34 AM
Negative Gary Gobshite.
Grumpy Posted: Feb 26 2009, 11:22 AM
Negative Religious nutbag who thinks wearing a labcoat makes him a scientist.
TheDoc Posted: Feb 14 2009, 03:26 AM
Negative Gary Goblin
TheDoc Posted: Jan 30 2009, 09:06 PM
Negative -
Grumpy Posted: Jan 28 2009, 02:01 AM
Negative Terminally Stupid is a terrible thing to be.
ASTERIX* Posted: Dec 28 2008, 07:20 AM
Negative Outta this world, off his tits insanity.
Grumpy Posted: Dec 27 2008, 05:31 PM
Negative Back to dump another steaming pile, I see. I guess it takes all kinds, even the totally useless and Terminally Stupid.
TS is a terrible thing to be, sometimes it is just incurable. Sad.
TheDoc Posted: Dec 20 2008, 05:24 AM
Negative -
Physfan Posted: Nov 24 2008, 08:45 PM
Negative A fool who doesn't know it (but would a fool recognise their foolishness)? I hope his brand of sky fairy loves him because no one else does.
TheDoc Posted: Sep 8 2008, 12:09 AM
Negative Here's another one to add to your collection you deluded idiot.
Grumpy Posted: Sep 6 2008, 08:52 AM
Negative Begins his "scientific" inquiries with an answer(A Creator) and then goes looking for evidence to support that answer.
A preconceptual scientist.
MjolnirPants Posted: Sep 5 2008, 02:09 PM
Negative You're still a 'tard...
vkamath Posted: Aug 22 2008, 05:02 AM
Negative Sarcastic idiot
Krieger der Wahrheit Posted: Aug 21 2008, 10:45 PM
Negative Why do you post your theory in every single thread?
MjolnirPants Posted: Aug 21 2008, 09:34 PM
Negative Jesus may love ya, but the rest of us think yer a 'tard...
Grumpy Posted: Aug 21 2008, 09:07 PM
Negative The Idiot is YOU
Dr Fred A Wolf Posted: Aug 21 2008, 08:03 PM
Negative Mindfucked retard.
Trippy Posted: Aug 19 2008, 10:20 AM
Negative Delusional handjob by-product.
Oh, and it seem's we're still here.
N O M Posted: Jul 26 2008, 09:36 AM
Negative -
Masked Marauder Posted: Jul 15 2008, 01:01 AM
Negative For being a bible thumper
N O M Posted: Jul 14 2008, 08:29 PM
Negative -
Dabeer Posted: Jul 13 2008, 12:25 PM
Positive Surprised to see good things said by this poster about the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics
Delia Posted: Jul 12 2008, 03:23 AM
Negative Here's another one to add to your collection you deluded idiot.
Grumpy Posted: Jul 7 2008, 08:50 AM
Negative Begins his "scientific" inquiries with an answer(A Creator) and then goes looking for evidence to support that answer.
A preconceptual scientist.
Dr Fred A Wolf Posted: Jul 6 2008, 05:50 PM
Negative Downs Syndrome playing-up again?
N O M Posted: Jul 6 2008, 03:44 AM
Negative boob
TheDoc Posted: Jun 30 2008, 02:03 AM
Negative Here's another one to add to your collection you deluded idiot.
TheDoc Posted: Jun 7 2008, 05:44 PM
Negative Here's another one to add to your collection you deluded idiot.
TheDoc Posted: May 27 2008, 02:43 AM
Negative Here's another one to add to your collection you deluded idiot.
photojack Posted: May 14 2008, 07:00 AM
Negative This seems to be the level of intellect from Gary! "I smell cheese. Or was that someone passing gas? Har!" Seriously delusional and needs to learn about the scientific peer-review process before he puts his foot in his mouth again! (()) Only a few more days until uaafanblog's next negative!
<Max> Posted: May 13 2008, 01:01 AM
Negative -29
Beer w/Straw Posted: May 12 2008, 12:22 AM
Negative look a neg
Grumpy Posted: May 10 2008, 01:23 PM
Negative Seriously delusional jerk.
uaafanblog Posted: May 10 2008, 02:53 AM
Negative This is simply another in a long future list of making up for my mistaken pos rep. As long as you are here you'll see this weekly from me. Your hypocrisy and ignorance deserve nothing less.
TheDoc Posted: May 9 2008, 03:34 AM
Negative -25
<Max> Posted: May 5 2008, 09:05 PM
Negative -24 you freaking retard
BigDumbWeirdo Posted: May 5 2008, 02:51 PM
Negative completely ignorant of science, the scientific method, and even the particulars of his own belief system.
Grumpy Posted: Apr 29 2008, 12:03 PM
Negative What a Freaking Fool!!!
uaafanblog Posted: Apr 28 2008, 11:38 AM
Negative I'm still bummed that I hit the pos button mistakenly last week. It will take a long time for me to undo that error statistically but I'm determined to make it happen.
<Max> Posted: Apr 28 2008, 07:58 AM
Negative -20
uaafanblog Posted: Apr 18 2008, 11:20 PM
Positive OK ... so I'm jumping the gun here. It's obvious to me that "the rapture" isn't happening today as you promised. This is really the only method I have for expressing my disappointment. Expect regular weekly negs from now until the rapture actually does happen at which time I'll give you a pos since I'll still be here.
<Max> Posted: Apr 17 2008, 11:12 AM
Negative -20
TheDoc Posted: Apr 13 2008, 05:41 AM
Negative -19
Grumpy Posted: Apr 10 2008, 02:24 PM
Negative ID'ers will certainly know I'm one of them now!
I wondered how you Idiotic Deniers recognized each other in order to mate.
Sandra doliak Posted: Apr 10 2008, 08:03 AM
Negative Incoherent gibberish maker.
N O M Posted: Apr 10 2008, 02:45 AM
Negative idiot
<Max> Posted: Apr 7 2008, 07:39 AM
Negative -
Moomin Posted: Apr 5 2008, 08:23 AM
Negative Godswallop.
TheDoc Posted: Apr 5 2008, 02:46 AM
Negative -
uaafanblog Posted: Apr 4 2008, 03:26 PM
Positive I'm giving you a pos not because you have earned it. But instead because I'm happy to know that Yahweh is FINALLY gonna make all you idiots disappear. Man oh man ... I sure hope you aren't wrong. If you are wrong then I'm neg repping you on April 19th.
BigDumbWeirdo Posted: Apr 4 2008, 01:26 PM
Negative religious psychotic nincompoop. Jesus may love you, but everyone else thinks you're a 'tard.
Sapo Posted: Apr 4 2008, 12:53 PM
Negative Grumpy said it so well! I'm laughing too hard to be original...
Grumpy Posted: Mar 31 2008, 02:37 PM
Negative Back to dump another steaming pile, I see. I guess it takes all kinds, even the totally useless and Terminally Stupid.
<Max> Posted: Mar 31 2008, 04:27 AM
Negative -
N O M Posted: Mar 31 2008, 01:26 AM
Negative terminally stupid
N O M Posted: Mar 16 2008, 03:53 AM
Negative nutter
N O M Posted: Feb 24 2008, 07:49 AM
Negative Happy Neg Day
N O M Posted: Feb 15 2008, 12:59 AM
Negative -
N O M Posted: Feb 6 2008, 08:36 AM
Negative non-random negative
rethinker Posted: Feb 1 2008, 11:19 PM
Positive I think your feedback could use the Intelligence Detector
N O M Posted: Jan 28 2008, 06:14 AM
Negative -
photojack Posted: Jan 23 2008, 04:56 PM
Negative For consistent MISREPRESENTATION of legitimate science as supporting ID. Needs to learn about the peer-review process and how it weeds out hogwash like cell "intelligence" as he interprets it! And for thinking creationresearch.org has valid science on its site. My rebuttal to their lichen article proved their bogusness! (())
Grumpy Posted: Jan 21 2008, 05:56 PM
Negative For consistent representation of legitimate science as supporting ID.
And for accepting comedian and right wing wingnut Ben Stein as an authority on science!!! What's next, "Horse face" Coulter as a historian???
Cecil P Abstract Posted: Jan 19 2008, 07:59 AM
Negative Neg Slaughter - Episode #1
StevenA Posted: Jan 18 2008, 07:42 AM
Positive I see the troll couldn't handle having it's cage rattled
Nothing like a good outside-of-the-box discussion to rile them up. Good work!
Alpha Posted: Jan 18 2008, 02:04 AM
Negative Feedback Massacre - Part 1
N O M Posted: Jan 17 2008, 09:01 AM
Negative Neg generator - test 1
Re: Why The Religious Minded Rule Science With Science
It's a real shame that professionals who are supposed to be "unbiased" clearly have a bias against those who choose to believe in God or creationism. Scientists who believe in God are no less professional than those who don't. Insulting them for their beliefs is akin to racism. There's no reason that belief in God and the study of science cannot coexist. You don't have to believe in God, but leave the people who do alone. Keep your ego to yourself.
There's something to be said about someone who's entire profession is based on collecting evidence and then basing conclusion on that evidence and that alone, but will then go home and believe something that doesn't have one shroud (pun intended) of evidence whatsoever. This statement applies to every religion, eastern and western.
If you'd like to believe in some sort of supernatural being or whatever else that cannot be proven at all, then don't be surprised when you're mocked in a community whose sole purpose is to derive conclusions based on evidence.
Experience: Cell Biology, Confocal Microscopy, Developmental Biology, Evolutionary Biology, Genetics, Genomics, Physiology
Re: Why The Religious Minded Rule Science With Science
You shouldn't be mocked for a personal belief or choice that has nothing to do with your career. It's discrimination. Period.
In a professional setting I would say it is entirely inappropriate; if it compromises someone's ability to succeed or advance in their job I would consider it discrimination. If it happens outside of work and doesn't advance to anything serious I would say that it is a matter of free speech.
I won't say an "eye for an eye" necessarily, but religious people don't necessarily tend to speak so kindly of science, particularly things that tend to disagree with their religious teachings. If you're trying to speak or act in any scientific field, leave the religion out of it.
Experience: Cell Biology, Confocal Microscopy, Developmental Biology, Evolutionary Biology, Genetics, Genomics, Physiology
Additionally, Einstein did not define his god by the traditional Judeo-Christian sense. His god was "nature" and its happenings.. not a personal god who dealt with sins and punishment.
Galileo was not religious as far as we can actually tell. He was religious because you HAD to be in his day and age where he lived... if you wanted to stay alive. Try publishing something in the 15- and 1600s without being a devout Catholic. Not a chance.
To say that you can only advance science by full-on believing something that is, for lack of evidence, false is a totally speculation that can only come from somebody with a religious background in the first place. It is clear that you don't have an understanding about how scientific research and the scientific community in general works.
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Papi's resurgence shines brightly at Derby
Slugger's early struggles distant memory after 32 long balls
By Ian Browne / MLB.com
In the end, it came down to Ortiz and a one-time protege -- Marlins superstar Hanley Ramirez.
After clubbing eight homers in the first round and 13 in the second, the lefty slugger left enough in the tank to drill 11 more long balls in the finals. Ramirez had the chance for the last laugh, but he came up well short, hitting just five.
This wound up being Ortiz's night, as he became the first Red Sox player to win a Derby. Who could have envisioned this in April, when Ortiz mustered just one homer and four RBIs while hitting .143 and being reduced to platoon status?
"Well, when I go through the downs, it makes me even stronger," said Ortiz. "It just teaches me that never take anything for granted. When you're doing well, you want to just stay at that level, so when the down shows up, it doesn't do that much damage. My problem was that it was just the beginning of the season and you haven't done anything yet."
It was also Boston, where things get, well, magnified.
"So it looked bigger than usual," said Ortiz, who had an even more horrific start to the 2009 season. "But in my case, it wasn't that 'He's going to be fine.' It was that 'He's done,' you know, which is even worse. But like I say, man, I'm a guy that you have to knock me out really hard to never get back up. That's how I am."
But there was never a knockout punch -- not from Red Sox management or American League pitchers. He is back among the best in the game, and relishing the spotlight.
"I've been doing it so many times the last few years, and coming back here and being chosen [as an All-Star] by the players around the league, that really gave me a lot of excitement," said Ortiz. "I think that's one thing that I want to say -- I thank the players for giving me the opportunity to be here and knowing that I'm one of the guys that like to do the right thing.
"Like I always say, this is a job that we have, but the name of it is a game, and what we know about that name is to have fun, and that's what I try to do. Even during the season, have fun with my teammates and make sure everything goes the right way. That makes things easier."
Competing with Ortiz for the Derby title was something that Ramirez embraced.
"He loves to have fun," Ramirez said. "He's unbelievable. He's one of the best people I've ever met in my life. I know he's going to come back and do what he gets paid to do -- hit bombs. The most important thing tonight is that we were all rooting for each other. Nobody was rooting for himself. We had fun."
Even as Ramirez was trying to win the contest, Ortiz stepped in and told him to slow down and try to conserve some of his energy.
"I told him, 'Hey, take it easy, don't get too tired, take your time, because that's what the Home Run Derby is all about.' I'm not really worried about winning or losing," Ortiz said. "I'm worried about the fans having a good show, and I think he did a hell of a job."
And yes, it was a Yankee who helped Ortiz become victorious for the first time in four tries in the Home Run Derby. At least it was a Yankee with a Red Sox connection. It was none other than New York bench coach -- and former Boston catcher Tony Pena -- who served up Ortiz's Derby missiles.
"It was unbelievable," Ortiz said. "Tony, he's got the great mechanics as a catcher. And I saw him before, and whenever we go to play the Yankees, I see him throwing batting practice. And as soon as I found out he was going to be here, I was like, 'Tony, can you pitch to me?' He was like, 'Fine. No problem. I'm going to throw to [Nick] Swisher, but I'm going to throw for you, [too].' We are here for the fans. It's not a Yankees/Boston situation. We are here for the fans, so let's do it."
Another thing that aided Ortiz in his Derby victory was the placement. He batted sixth out of eight contestants in the first round, but then led off in both the second round and the finals.
"It was good that they put me towards the end, because I get tired pretty easy when I hit and shut it down for a while," Ortiz said. "So when I don't have to wait that long period of time, I guess it helped me out."
There were predictions earlier in the day that Ortiz would come out on top -- some from his current teammates and one from one of his favorite former teammates.
"A lefty was going to win this thing," said Angels center fielder Torii Hunter, who used to play with Ortiz on the Twins. "I know my ballpark. I know it's a lefty friendly park at 7 o'clock. When I found he was going to be in it, I told he was going to win it. He was my pick to click."
"It's impressive. I knew he was going to win it," said Red Sox third baseman Adrian Beltre. "I felt it. He felt good about it. It was fun and it was good for him."
Aside from Ortiz's inner resolve, his friends from around the game also helped to keep his confidence up during that rough opening month.
"I told him in April he was going to be in the All-Star Game," said Hunter. "That's my buddy -- you have to lift him up."
Now, Ortiz is very much back up, with a trophy -- which he is donating to the family of the late Jose Lima -- to prove it.
"Not everything is roses and flowers," Ortiz said. "You've got to deal with the downs so you can get up. You know, I've been a guy that I've been a force as long as I've been playing here with the Red Sox, and I've had a lot of ups, a lot more than downs, and as soon as I have a down, it seems like everybody is pointing at me like a Nintendo game or something that is supposed to be that easy. We have to work hard to get prepared to play the game and we have to do a lot of things to maintain ourselves -- myself -- at that level."
There is no longer any dispute -- either in Boston or around the baseball world -- that Ortiz has regained his level.
Ian Browne is a reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.


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JANESVILLE—The Janesville School Board gave a resounding stamp of approval for the superintendent's China initiative after some drama at the board table Tuesday night.
The board voted 8-1 to endorse what Superintendent Karen Schulte calls the Janesville International Education Program, which she envisions as involving more countries than just China.
Board member Kevin Murray was the lone "no" vote.
"I don't even know what I'm being asked to approve, because I don't see any plan, any budget," Murray said.
Board members don't know when Chinese high school students will start studying here, what they will be charged in tuition and what revenue the district can expect, Murray said.
The state has restrictions on what tuition can be charged, Murray said.
Schulte agreed, saying the district is getting conflicting information about tuition, and "we've been working through that."
Schulte reminded Murray that the board discussed tuition in closed session, and the board gave her a range for tuition.
Murray agreed and added that the board had told Schulte to establish tuition that would produce $5,000 revenue per student, apparently meaning tuition for a year of high school.
Schulte last week released an accounting of the trips she and her staff have made to China since last November. Murray said he took that information and estimated $30,000 worth of administrators' time on the China trips.
"That's what people I talk to in the community are concerned about," Murray said, adding that that time spent away from the district is time not spent on getting the district's business done.
Schulte responded that Murray was missing the work done on the plane, just as work is done during other conferences to which staff members travel.
Murray said he has "a hard time with that," adding that he is "a bit of a dinosaur" when it comes to computer technology, but he said he votes for budgets to pay for people to work "here in the School District of Janesville."
Murray pulled out a cardboard box full of what he said were 10,000 golf tees. The tan-colored tees represented the district's students. He took 20 green tees and placed them on a blanket. Those tees represented Chinese students.
He poured the box of tees on top of the green tees.
Murray was addressing one of Schulte's oft-repeated arguments, that the international program would enhance the learning of all the district's students.
"How is that possible?" Murray asked.
Schulte also had a dramatic presentation, including a video about the rapidly increasing pace of change and the globalization of communications for which she said students must be prepared.
The other board members took turns opposing Murray's presentation.
Deborah Schilling said the golf tees should have been 10,000 milliliters of water into which 20 drops of dye were dropped.
Schilling said she knows that influence of the foreign students will spread because of her experience as a parent and as a host parent for one of the 33 Chinese students who came to Janesville this summer for an educational program.
Research and development always costs a lot up front, Schilling said, but the board needs to trust the superintendent.
"We need to give it time," Schilling said.
Board member Cathy Myers, who teaches in Illinois, said she is sent to conferences, does her work while she is there, and brings back things that will improve her work and her district.
"You might not see the benefit immediately, and there might be an investment, but what comes will be beneficial to us in the long run," Myers said.
"Global awareness, global literacy, language study early—very early—improves cognitive abilities. It improves test scores," Myers added. "… I really believe the gain we will get will be tremendous."
Board member Bill Sodemann said he has concerns that China can be "a dishonest player in industry" and that the district could be "helping a possible enemy gain more knowledge."
But students returning to China will be importing ideas about freedom in America, Sodemann said.
"That can be very, very powerful," Sodemann said. "One person can change the world, as we've seen throughout history."
David DiStefano, who also hosted a Chinese student, said the district needs to change because General Motors is no longer here to offer good jobs to students who didn't do well in school.
"That doesn't exist anymore. We have to be different," DiStefano said.
Kristin Hesselbacher said Janesville needs Schulte's program to make it stand out, so that the community becomes a destination for families, and people she talks to agree.
Hesselbacher said if people are asking Murray questions, then many more likely have similar questions, but, "All I've heard is just off-the-chart support for this."
Murray responded before the vote, saying, "I hope there's a big payoff from it, I really do. …
"I had my say and I appreciate that, and so be it," he added.


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Your pack tea inside your PC when you move.
You find over a pound of tea that you had forgotten about when you're packing to move.
You use moving as a means of talking brother into try matcha.
When leaving for a few days away, your bag carrying your teas and brewing equipment is larger than your bag of clothes.
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I just made notes in my mobile calendar of when my various tea orders shipped so I know when to stalk the postman!
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I hate when this happens… its a battle between what you know you should do and what your saddened heart wants to do.
Glad I'm a guy. The 5 second rule makes this seldom a problem ;) Before you go eeeew, I would not put it back in the pouch, but I might well use it immediately.
I'm female and I just did this the other day. It was like a half tsp that I dropped of Shamrock tea though, and I had JUST Sharked the floors. :-/
I just did this!!! http://i.imgur.com/3KVn8uu.jpg
And as it was a new 2oz bag, I used some of the floor stuff for my tea because what if this is AMAZING and I wasted a lot of it? :O
(it was s'mores genmaicha by 52 teas. mixed reviews from what i see, but i haven't had it yet!)
That's tragic…. but given my feelings towards that tea, I think it may have been for the best :P Now, had that been Marshmallow Treat? You can bet I'd be picking up each individual piece, crying a little, and putting it into a double finum basket to brew…
Yeah…. luckily, there is very little that boiling water will not kill. A food product cannot get much more sanitized than when you pour boiling water on it!
Now the few extra cat hairs that end up in it, well…. they do not add much to the taste :)
I have a bag of like 100grams of pink flamingo, which i don't even really like, that was spilled on the floor. it couldn't be sold, so we scooped as much as we could off the top of the pile because we couldn't bear to see it go in t he garbage.
You weigh your orders to see if the tea company has been shorting you.
Sometimes it's hard to believe how much tea I go through so my first instinct is that I've been shorted. Because in my mind there's no way I could've drank two ounces of that one tea in a week.
There is a tea cough Premium Taiwanese Assam cough that I go through roughly half a kilo in about a month and a half. Its bad very bad.
Why is everyone coughing? Drink more hibiscus, it'll keep you from getting sick.
Hey – it has happened to me! More than once (three times, multiple teas, three different companies)! I would like to get what I'm paying for. Each time, it has been dealt with quite well by the company's customer service, which is awesome. I don't always remember to weigh things, though, but most are either bang on or a couple grams over.
I don't have time to make tea before I leave the house? Looks like I'm going to be late…
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Tried and failed miserably to resist the urge to try out all the different sets of tea ware everyday.
When you drink tea at all hours of the night.
Need tea to comfort you when doing tedious college assignments.
Have tea to accompany most of your meals.
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When you take a Sharpie and write TEA on all of your plastic Contigo cups and your Thermoses because someone used your stainless steel Victor Allen mug (with cover) for COFFEE.
blasphemy! That was rude of them
I write my initials on my travel mugs because of my parents using my former ones for coffee.
When everything you've asked for your birthday is tea related and you daydream about what you'll get with the couple gift cards coming your way!
When you keep a notebook in order to track steeping times and conditions for every time you steep a pot of tea. My notebook has each tea serving by date drunk, what company/variety it is, steeping time, if I used a pot other than my normal tetsubin, and if I used lower temp water than boiling.
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Oklahoma House Representative Todd Thomsen speaks to participants in the 43rd Annual Oklahoma State Science and Engineering Fair which was held recently at East Central University's Kerr Activities Center. Thomsen has been a major supporter of the event in which students competed for awards in categories such as Biochemistry; Medicine and Health Science; Physical Sciences; Earth and Space Sciences; Behavioral and Social Sciences; Mathematics and Computer Science; Environmental Sciences; Zoology and Botany; and Microbiology.
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The pair was indeed in the right place at the right time.
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East Central University music faculty members Dr. Lauren Cox and Dr. Starla Hibler will present a free clarinet/saxophone and piano concert on Monday, March 11, at 7:30 p.m. at the Ataloa Theatre of the Hallie Brown Ford Fine Arts Center.
Performance selections include "Romance" by William Grant Still; "A Joyous Lament for a Gilly Flower" by Margaret Garwood; "Sonatina" by Joseph Horovitz; "Summer Evening at Bryanston" by Alma Goatley; "Dance Preludes" by Witold Lutoslawski; and "Premier Rhapsodie" by Claude Debussy.
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Acclaimed Russian pianist Kirill Gliadkovsky will perform a free concert, hosted by the East Central University Department of Music, on Wednesday, March 13, at 7:30 p.m. at the Ada Arts and Heritage Center.
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Chase McMichael, a senior from Oklahoma City, is the recipient of the first Dr. Donald G. Stafford Centennial Scholarship at East Central University.
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Posted on: 05 March, 2013
The 43rd Annual Oklahoma State Science and Engineering Fair is set for Thursday and Friday at East Central University's Kerr Activities Center.
Exhibits can be viewed by the general public from 5 p.m. to 8 p.m. on Thursday while judging for all of the OSSEF projects will take place Friday from 8:30 a.m. to noon.
Posted on: 01 March, 2013
The East Central University Department of Music will present the Symphonic Band and Wind Ensemble Concert on Thursday, March 7, at 7:30 p.m., inside the Ataloa Theatre of the Hallie Brown Ford Fine Arts Center.
The concert, which is free and open to the public, is under the direction of conductor Dr. Allen Correll and assistant conductor Dr. Ben Finley.
The ECU Symphonic Band will present musical scores of American Barndance by Richard L. Saucedo and How to Train Your Dragon by John Powell and arranged by Sean O'Loughlin.
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Theories - Origin of Life
Discussion of everything related to the Theory of Evolution.
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Re: Theories - Origin of Life
Thanks for your post
I have got to go out this evening so will respond first thing tomorrow morning.
Re: Theories - Origin of Life
May I deal with your response one at a time, as all you that have written is definitely worthy of a response.
Well no, not quite.
If you will recall I have made repeated attempts to get someone to posit their understanding of what "evolution" actually is.
That ended in failure so I posited my understanding of what is generally understood and of course centred that understanding specifically around molecular evolution.
The principle behind the idea of gene duplication is to account for how a new function can arise without the loss of the old function, which natural selection (the central concept of Darwinian theory) would prevent.
Natural selection can only select from an existing function. It does not create new functions.
In other words Natural Selection can account for the demise of a species not the arrival of a species.
Therefore another "gene(s)" however arrived at would be needed and free to evolve.
The central question though is whether these theories or hypotheses can account for the arrival of new species (i.e. new body plans.)
So lets examine what the science is behind these hypotheses.
Gene duplication, does it occur?
Yes it does
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... 3/abstract
Spontaneous duplication of the mammalian genome occurs in approximately 1% of fertilizations. Although one or more whole genome duplications are believed to have influenced vertebrate evolution, polyploidy of contemporary mammals is generally incompatible with normal development and function of all but a few tissues.
(My emphasis)
There is of course a lot more information that highly questions that gene duplication can account for speciation and if required I will provide the evidence.
HGT is posited as another method by which natural selection would be allowed to operate.
Does it occur.
Well yes again, in bacteria and unicellular eukaryotes.
And again I can provide a lot more information as evidence, but at best these ideas are definitely questionable when it comes to explaining origin of speciation.
This is why there are so many ideas that try to explain speciation with some directly contradicting Darwinism, Evo Devo and Symbiotic theory are but two of them.
Ii is not me that has a problem. It is the many scientists (not science) trying to explain these matters that have the problem.
Now I will end this post here to allow a response to this particular part and will respond to your other points shortly.
Re: Theories - Origin of Life
Ok lets continue, this is a long one but you have raised quite a few points
It's nice to see you have at least done some homework and agree with me on the number of creation accounts.
However please read the account more carefully.
1) The second is not about the creation of man, it is about the start of his history.
The creation of man (male and female) appears in the first history. Chap 1:27
You do yourself no justice when you make such careless errors in the simple matter of reading accurately.
2) Where does the account state it is the word of God ?
Your bias is blinding you to what is actually being stated.
This account claims to be a history set down by ancients. The only question that can be attributed to it is whether it is accurate. That's all.
Leslie Orgel's posthumous essay on this subject is worthy of note.
Remember he was one of the originators of the RNA world hypothesis.
Now please read his paper of 2007 and note his conclusion of his own hypothesis which you will find here.
It is entitled
The Implausibility of Metabolic Cycles on the Prebiotic Earth
http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info ... io.0060018
And here is his concluding comment
"However, solutions offered by supporters of geneticist or metabolist scenarios that are dependent on "if pigs could fly" hypothetical chemistry are unlikely to help."
The above is not the conclusion of some lone scientist because there are many.
Remember I informed you of the conclusion NASA itself had reluctantly arrived at.
There are no natural plausible pathways to the production of complex biochemical molecules.
You see science knows that pigs don't fly.
You would do well to research your belief system properly rather than running with "pigs will fly" hypotheses and then treat them as if they constitute science.
Now we already know that water prohibits any peptide sequences from forming.
They are both chemically and thermodynamically implausible.
This is a scientific fact.
So what would be a better place to get started?
Well, instead of water how about earth.
You know those ancients were indeed quite clever chaps..
Just look at what they wrote about the first forms of life.
"And the earth began to put forth grass, vegetation bearing seed according to its kind and trees yielding fruit, the seed of which is in it according to its kind……"
So far then, this account has been shown to be correct in that originally, all the land mass was in one place.
Those ancients clearly knew something that has taken modern science quite a little while to catch up with, me thinks
Certainly contrasts with Darwin's musings of "quiet little pond" somewhere.
Now we note that they even knew where life got started and you appear to be still struggling to catch up.
OK lets take a third
There is a biologic logic about the first forms of life being vegetation.
After all they manufacture their own food in order to survive.
The account then goes on to state that life then got going in the seas and atmosphere and then the animals of the land.
Scientifically implausible or scientifically plausible?
Remember this is just an historical account. It's not a scientific document.
OK lets take Dawkins little open letter to Rick Perry.
I don't know much about this Perry person other than I think he considers himself suitable to run for the presidency of the US.
However I do know a little something about this Richard Dawkins fellow.
He is the eminent scientist who hypothesized the "selfish gene concept"
That turned out to be wrong. Strike 1.
He is still stuck in his "gradual evolution" mindset.
Again we have science turning against him. Strike 2
What about his Tree of Life mindset?
Now you ought to know all about this, what with HGT and all. Have a chat with Carl Woese.et al.
So that is also turning against him -- Strike 3
Was it not Mayor Rudy Giuliani who came up with the 3 strikes and you are out policy.
Of course the scientific community are a little more tolerant
A little bit of advice, if you must quote him do it on his religion not on his science.
Now this is quite a "long winded" post as you keep reminding me so I had better end it here.
I will deal with your next point tomorrow.
Trust me I will answer your question
Re: Theories - Origin of Life
Sorry for the delay.
As I understand it your argument is essentially this.
So long as the originator cannot be named or identified then that is evidence the originator doesn't exist.
Therefore (according to your logic Gravity doesn't exist, The Laws of motion do not exist and as we don't know who invented the wheel so it doesn't exist either etc etc.)
Now of course this is nonsense, as you well know, and we have covered this point before.
However I have noticed that you have changed your approach somewhat.
You previously wanted to know the name of the originator.(agent)
It has now changed to
Look I don't need to pray about this.
Be that as it may, lets deal with your comment on information.
We know, because science has established it, that the metabolic pathways we observe in the cell do not exist in natural law.
Natural laws that the study of science rests on, are not observed in the functional information content we observe guiding cell processes. That I assume is clear enough to you, since you have not attempted to rebut any of the information I have provided.
Therefore that guiding information can only come from an outside agency as I keep stressing.
Now you may not have realised the fact that information is non material.
The chemical molecules are material but the information they contain, that directs them in ways that are not linear and in non random ways, is not material.
Why else does the cell enlist such elaborate editing and feedback looping that we observe. Also we are now observing the tremendous redundancy that exists ensuring constancy of functional output.
All our experience tells us that this king of information comes from a mind, one that is using " an external source of free energy" as NASA puts it.
This is the only evidence we have and all that evidence is staring at us, inconveniently it appears to some or indeed many.
So why is it so difficult to grasp such a simple concept?
There can only be one reason.
Your philosophy prevents you from doing so.
Please reflect for a moment, on your own statement
Now apart from the fact that you aren't keeping up with the latest understanding amongst scientists, you are reducing your view of science to a casino operation.
Scientists with certain philosophical needs may engage in betting, science however is not a casino.
This type of wishful speculation stems from a philosophical need.
It has nothing to do with science and deep down I suspect you know it.
( Freeman Dyson sums it up nicely in a conclusion comment to his own speculative scenario on origins.
" The question is whether any of that makes sense. I think it does, but like all models, its going to be short-lived and soon replaced by something better.")
One thing we are agreed upon though.
Logic is not science. There maybe logic in studying science but in itself it is not science.
Philosophy, parading as science however cleverly it may be dressed up, is also not science.
At least creationists, bizarre though some of their statements may be, wear their philosophy/religion on their sleeves.
You though, are trying to camouflage yours under the guise of science. That is not a very stable foundation.
Now there are invariably fundamentalist diehards who despite all the evidence to the contrary will continue to stick to an idea, no matter what.
I sincerely hope you are not one of those, but that has to be your decision.
In the meantime however I will continue to present information in the hope of course you don't bar me from this forum.
Craig Venter and George Church recently had a discussion regarding the ribosome which is very revealing.
I will copy part of the transcript in my next post, as this has gone on long enough.
Re: Theories - Origin of Life
I have probably skip this one. Which natural laws are you talking about?
Cis or trans? That's what matters.
Now Scottie, my simple question is one of logic, not science, not naming not nothing, simple logic. I will detail it one more time for your understanding:
1- Complexity, such as observed in life, cannot arise spontaneously
2- Ergo matter needs guidance by a complex entity to organize it self in living beings
So what guides the matter? And how did it appear without guidance, as it would launch us in a recursive loop?
Science has proof without any certainty. Creationists have certainty without
any proof. (Ashley Montague)
Nucleic-acid-peptide micro-molecular technology - a database of DNA through RNA intermediaries is implemented by the polypeptide interface. But this is an automated production system. A user who is? And this is an older subject - glyco-lipid membrane. Once upon a time, a few billion years ago, some engineers of a great civilization glyco-lipidoides created this nucleic acid-peptide technology and armed with it, settled by a million ships in all parts of the visible universe. But what do our evolutionists? And they are the origin and evolution of life on self-replicators - RNA! Wow! So you can keep your computer from the origin of a computer mouse! Yes, the computer system, of course at the last regular duplication mice formed a small detail, like user ...
Re: Theories - Origin of Life
JackBean » Tue Aug 30, 2011 12:51 pm
The laws of Physics, Chemistry, Thermodynamics.
These natural laws are not left unguided in cell processes. They are guided by the functional information contained in the cell.
That information is not internally sourced but, as for example, NASA has concluded can only be from an outside source.
As I have already stated in my last post.
It did not appear without guidance.
All our experience tells us that this kind of guiding information comes from a mind.
Is there any other logic we have experience to go on?
If so please inform.
As I understand it, you have a view that life was planted here on earth by an extra-terrestrial lifeform.
Is that correct?
to Scottie
I think the concept "extra-terrestrial" for life is not correct. Life is life. It is the same painful geo-anthropo-centrism. Intelligent life, armed with a nucleic-polypeptide technology could in a few billion years to spread widely in the universe, and here we have one of the planetary population. It is strange that you do not think this is correct!
Another interesting question. The above is obvious, but the crowd of smart people at NASA and elsewhere raise the question only about panspermia microorganisms! Why not reasonable landings? It's that - a taboo? I wonder who the customer? Ah yes, the theory of evolution as something is lost ... And creationism, too, seemed suddenly melts away ... Wow!
to Scottie
There is also the question of why intelligent life is usually unwise? But it is not difficult:
Collapse of civilizations - the regression of creative thinking
It is well known that in the living world all on demand and trains - is evolving and what does not on demand and no trains - regresses.
This refers to the organs and tissues of our organism to thinking skills, communication, food and much more, but also social institutions, and large industries. And more broadly - to the development of species and entire ecological systems. "Claim" in different cases is a demand, "social order", "selection pressure" and so on. If this law of nature to apply the theory to our ability to think creatively, the result a sudden a logical conclusion, which is the very our "starting point".
Sense reasoning is as follows:
Creative intelligence to develop a species until it is demanded. With it, created an elaborate set of global technology standards and stereotypes in all spheres of public life. But then, after reaching a "global harmony" and a "welfare society" creative intelligence is no longer needed, subject to negative selection pressure and begins to regress.
30-50 thousand years happy hypothetical "world empire" (or "Democracy") becomes a world of "ants" in the minds narrowly stereotypical type of mind, where a return to the creative phase is almost impossible.
A thousand years later, 200-300 changes in genetically fixed and this species generally losing the creative intelligence, and the "purposeful activity" in this society is no different from the cooperative activity of the same social insects. This is not the mind, and his remains - a relic. Relic Paleo-civilization reasonable.
Armed with such a logical premise, it is possible to take a fresh look at our world as something that it has featured such "relics of the Mind," left over from long ago emerged and faded manifestation of "creative intelligence."
This is the same social insects, provided such relics of two integers: public-Hymenoptera (wasps, bees, ants), which became public, according to various sources, from some point between 50 and 100 million years ago (an ancestor - a giant wasp) and
- Termites, which have left their public relic from a certain point in time from 120 to 200 million years ago (an ancestor - a giant cockroach).
Can claim to be a "relic of reasonableness" and
- Multicellularity our organisms (there was about a half billion years ago, the creator - Vendian biont large aerobic unicellular ameboid, who built a very complex civilized society - a multicellular organism Myxomycetes).
Some terrestrial civilization can not leave behind a "relic" - coelenterates, sponges (archeocyathids), marine polychaete (trilobites), rakoskorpions, siphonophores, salps, cephalopods, and pikaias.
Well, the question of how to achieve the welfare, thus, is a question of how to kill a civilization.
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here is some nice reading
http://www.naontiotami.com/2011/08/does ... d-rebuilt/
Cis or trans? That's what matters.
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