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Last week's post was about the more popular of the bilingual family language strategies: one parent/person, one language or simply OPOL as it is generally know. This week it is the turn of the approach called minority language at home, with the slightly more complicated acronym of mL@H.
As the name indicates, a family that uses the mL@H strategy only speaks a minority language with each other. The family's common language can, but does not have to be the native language both parents. The children become sequential bilinguals, as they learn the minority language first and the community language later from other sources, normally when starting nursery or school. (In an OPOL family, the children are normally simultaneous bilinguals, which means that they learn both/all their languages in parallel.)
The mL@H system has its obvious advantages, in so far that it is clear who speaks what language to whom in the family and that there is no need for translations within the home, but you will also come across words of warning if you search for advice on mL@H.
Some have claimed that it requires "strong nerves by the parents, since the child may not catch up with his monolingual peers in the majority language until around 5 years of age". Yes, it may feel a bit worrying to send your little one out into the world with no or only limited knowledge of the language they will be surrounded by all day (I know I did, though my 6-year-old daughter did not seem to mind). Experience has however shown that children are very adaptable and quickly pick up a language once submersed in it. A "risk for complete linguistic isolation", even a small risk, is a bit far-fetched in my mind – children do not need a common language to find ways of playing together and coming up with alternative ways of communicating!
Another caveat, equally unlikely in my opinion, is that if parents "decide to speak the minority language at home, but not in public, [their] child might feel that this language is not being good enough to be spoken in public. This may affect the child's identification with the minority language." Generally mL@H families always speak the minority language, independent of where they are – it is unusual to switch language at the door step (although there are families who do this). I strongly believe that parents should not only pass on their language, but also their pride in their language and culture and by doing this, the child will not regard the home language being second rate.
The mL@H may not have been as popular as OPOL in the past, but today it has the support of several experts. In her research, Professor Annick De Houwer found that 96% of children growing up in a family that uses mL@H become bilingual, making it the strategy with the highest overall success rate. Professor François Grosjean also favours this approach, because it "has a clear advantage in that the weaker language (the home language) will receive much more input than if only one parent uses it". Professor Barbara Pearson Zurer finds that with mL@H "parents are carving out a domain for the minority language where it doesn't have to compete for the child's time and attention", thus giving the minority language a solid base.
Should every family raising bilingual children now switch to mL@H?
Of course not. Statistically the answer may be 'yes', but in real life this is not possible. The mL@H approach works well if parents have a language in common in which they are comfortable enough to make it the only language they speak to their children. If one parent feels awkward (or, perish the thought, both do) and not confident about using the language, I cannot recommend the mL@H approach. I have said this many times before, and I will say it again, the very purpose of language is communication, if the choice of language becomes something that negatively affects the relationship between a parent and a child, in my opinion, it is not the right choice. There are other ways of making sure your children become bilingual, not being able to fully connect with your offspring is too high a price to pay. Also, OPOL has worked wonderfully well in many families and may well do for you, too! (Also keep an eye out for next weeks' posts on further approaches).
So who should use the mL@H strategy?
The obvious candidates for the mL@H system are migrant families who move to a place where the language the family members already speak with each other changes from being the majority language of the community to being the minority one. A move is a big upheaval in any family life, keeping the same language is beneficial on many levels. It offers a continuum in a situation where most other aspects of their life change and serves as a "safe haven" for the family language.
mL@H is also definitely worth considering if both parents know a common language well enough to be using it on a daily basis and in different scenarios with their children. If I had to decide whether to speak a language which is not my native one with my child, I would ask myself questions such as: Would I feel comfortable to discuss a difficult matter in the language – an example would be that my child has been bullied at school, could I find the words to express myself? Will I resent not using my mother tongue later on in life? Changing a language you speak with your child is not easy, I know this for sure. Note that you do not have to be accent-free or even perfectly fluent (whatever those terms mean) to speak a certain language with your child – your little one will not pick up your small deviations from the agreed language norm (but may well soon start pointing them out to you).
Taking the above into account, would I recommend that you choose mL@H as your family language strategy? Yes, I would, if it feels right for you.
What about you – is mL@H your strategy of choice? How are you getting on?
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21 Responses to "Minority language at home – mL@H: use it if you can!"
I grew up with this strategy since my family are immigrants. I remember being appalled by families where the parents were so concerned with fitting in that they stopped using their heritage language. The result was an awful, ugly, grammatically incorrect and heavily accented attempt at "helping their kids learn English". I became fluent on English, the majority/community language, within the first year (age 8), and was able to keep my native language and literacy plus learn a foreign language later in school.
However, this is not the approach I'm using with my daughter bc I married someone from another linguistic background, and we both want to pass on our native languages.
My son is 5 and his mother language is English, I'm trying to speak in Spanish with him. He know some words but what could be the best method to turn bilingual? He is with me on weekends.
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[…] When raising a bilingual child, it is always good to plan ahead so that everyone is clear about who is going to speak what language in the family when the new baby arrives. This post is the third post in my series of different approaches parents can take if they decide to bring their child up with more than one language – the strategy is called time and place (T&P). The first post of the series was about one parent/person, one language (OPOL) and the second about minority language at home (mL@H). […]
[…] tongues with your child (which I fully agree with), so your strategy will be a variation of the minority language at home (mL@H) strategy, with the modification that you actually have two minority languages in the home. In this […]
[…] has shown that statistically the most effective family language strategy is minority language at home (mL@H). So yes, if you were to switch to all of you speaking Czech at home, your son would no doubt become […]
[…] OPOL, and 59 percent using a mixture of the two methods." Professor Zurer Pearson argues that the 'minority language at home' (mL@H) approach may be a better option in many cases – this being the approach also favoured by projects […]
My wife and I have so far adopted the OPOL strategy. Her native language is English, mine is Dutch, which is the majority language since we live in the Netherlands.
Our two children have a clear preference for Dutch. They understand English perfectly well, but don't usually speak it.
We're now considering switching to "minority language at home", which would require me to speak English at home to the kids (3 and 8 years old). I'm hesitant however, since my English is not perfect (though I do consider myself to be fluent and have been speaking English every day for the past 15 years at home and/or at work) and I certainly have an accent. I'm also a bit concerned about changing strategy mid-way and it feels a bit awkward to not speak my native language with my kids, though that may just take some getting used to. It may help getting the kids to speak more English, which I'd highly value.
Any advice you could give; e.g. is it wise to switch strategy in these circumstances?
[…] summarize your concerns, you have always used a Minority Language at Home policy where both you and your husband speak English to your two year old daughter while she is […]
[…] both you and your partner feel confident about speaking the language, you can choose to go for the minority language at home (mL@H) strategy. With this option, there will only be one language spoken in the home and it is different […]
[…] children, does not mean this approach is the only right one for everyone. Parents who do not choose mL@H although they could, will have their very specific reasons for doing so. Every family is […]
[…] children. English will become the minority language, so as a family you would be following the minority language at home (mL@H) approach, which has actually been proven to be the most successful way of ensuring that a child […]
[…] ml@H (minority language at home): Como su nombre lo indica, éste método habla de usar el lenguaje minoritario (el que no se habla en el país de residencia) todo el tiempo en la casa, esto hace que los niños sólo aprendan ese lenguaje en los primeros años de vida y después, cuando entran a la guardería o la escuela, aprendan el mayoritario. Este método es ideal para familias migrantes pero tiene la desventaja de que los niños pueden tener un poco de ansiedad de llegar a un ambiente en donde no entienden casi nada en un principio. […]
Hi, my husband is Australian and I am Spanish. We currently live in Spain with our one year old daughter. We decided to take the ml@H approach since the very beginning since her dad spends less time at home than me and the exposure to the minority language wouldn't be enough. Recently I am concerned about our decision, she seems not to be talking or repeating words at the same level as her toddler friends. I'm worried that my accent/ pronunciation or lack of knowledge in some areas could be a handicap for her in the long run.
Also, when I think about 10 years down the track, I can't picture us having a complex conversation in English, Spanish seems more natural.
Hi Aurelia, I also live in Spain, I'm from New Zealand and my wife Spanish. We did the one language per parent way and we are now regretting that as my 2 year old is really struggling with English. Living in Spain they will always learn Spanish, so I think it's better to focus as much on English as possible. My wife is now starting to speak English to our daughter when I'm home, to try and force that when daddy is home the only language to be spoken is English. Thanks
Thank you TC for your feedback, its nice to hear from someone under our same circumstances. We will take your advice on board! I always try to speak English to her even when we are home alone and, as challenging as it is at times, i really think it pays off. Good luck!
[…] far his Chinese had progressed. I'm starting to think that perhaps our situation is more like mL@H, so do you suggest I change our family language strategy to mL@H, stick with OPOL or go with […]
[…] also in the afternoons in the daycare, being thus much less exposed to Portuguese. I do not think mL@H is for my family, but I am thinking that if it could be a good idea to start to speak Portuguese in […]


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Between Friday and Saturday, the homes of some judges across the country were raided on allegations of corruption.
Speaking with journalists on Wednesday, Mohammed stated that the number of Senior Advocates of Nigeria (SAN) in President Muhammadu Buhari's cabinet is an indicaton of the president's for the judiciary.
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It was funny. Eric and Rags finally confronted the dude and his girlfriend didn't even know what was going on. Meanwhile inside the van, Nuge, Sammy Baca, Slash, and I were dumbfounded, when all of a sudden Corey realized the guys bike was right in front of the van. "Should I run his bike over?" Corey asked with a chuckle. "Do it!" came five simultaneous voices. Gas pedal floored. What happened next can only be described as the sound and feeling of metal being crunched and dragged, sparking and squealing up the street. It felt like a ride at Universal Studios. The damn bike got lodged under the van. The look on the goon's face was priceless. Hamamoto tried to free it, but couldn't. Finally Rags pulled it out. It looked like a cross between a metal taco and a Razor scooter. We all hopped back in the van and took off. Suffice it to say dude's night was ruined and his girl probably got mad at him too. After all he started it. Why in the world would you kick a 15 passenger van full of dudes?
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Simcha Fisher, author of The Sinner's Guide to Natural Family Planning writes for several publications and blogs daily at Aleteia. She lives in New Hampshire with her husband and ten children. Without supernatural aid, she would hardly be a human being.
Catholics and anti-Catholics alike are heaping scorn on the head of Kaya Oakes, the author of a pathetic little piece that was reprinted in Salon this week. In "My Torment as a Catholic Woman," she laments the fact that she can't be a priest. She doesn't especially want or feel called to be a priest herself, mind you; but she suffers on behalf of her "hungry" sisters who have been denied.
The commenters on Salon dish out the almost absendminded contempt they routinely lavish on Catholics:
"You choose to belong to a Church that hates you just because you're female."
"I have also run out of patience for people who willingly allow themselves to be tormented by the Catholic Church."
"You belong to a hate group. Either get on board or join another group - it is really not that big of a deal."
In other words, your Church sucks. Why stay?
And faithful Catholics are just as irritated with her, for the opposite reason:
She's thinking only in terms of her rights, of what she deserves, of what she has coming to her. This attitude is the antithesis of the priesthood, or of any other kind of vocation: we are called to serve in various ways, according to our abilities and our nature. Demanding the right to serve is like demanding that all paratroopers have the right to carry anvils. Doesn't sound like you understand what we're trying to achieve!
In other words, you are completely clueless how great our Church is. Why stay?
Two things strike me about this woman's lament: one is her poor grasp on theology. She refers to the Eucharist as "bread," or sometimes "transformed bread." (She even refers to the "yeast" in the Host, which suggests that she not only misses the symbolic significance of unleavened bread, she also missed Home Ec 101 in junior high.) She appears, in short, to think that the Eucharist is mostly about inclusiveness, and that a lack of female priests demonstrates a failure of inclusiveness. Does she believe that the consecrated Host is the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ, offered up for any man, woman, or child who dares to receive Him? She doesn't say.
And her lack of understanding makes my second observation all the more striking: she stays anyway. Even though she doesn't like what she's experienced -- even though she apparently doesn't have the first clue about what she's experienced -- she stays. She furtively tries out other churches, with female priests; but she keeps coming back, and she keeps identifying herself as Catholic.
What does this tell us?
There is a reason why people stay. There is a reason why even former Catholics keep on identifying themselves as "lapsed Catholics" or "recovering Catholics," and it's not about brainwashing our emotional scars. People stay because God, in the most holy sacrament of the altar, is there. Unmistakably there. God is appealing. God is attractive, in the least superficial way possible. Once you receive God you will never stop wanting Him, even if that want is transformed by sin or ignorance into something bitter or resentful.
I recently got a letter from a woman who was suffering terribly for her faith. She faced a choice that would cause her great pain, whether she decided to be faithful or not. She didn't want advice, exactly -- and that was a good thing, because I had none to offer. All I did was offer up Mass for her -- Mass where I might as well have been the clueless author of the Salon piece, for all the faith and reverence and understanding I could muster up.
I sent her an answer, telling her that I was sorry for her suffering. I offered up Mass feeling useless and hopeless and hypocritical, because God is God and I am useless, so what else can I do? I offered up Mass three times, and I told her so.
Weeks later, I got another letter. Things had shifted. The impossible had happened, a crack had appeared, and grace poured in. When things had seemed hopeless, there was now hope. God is good, she said. Which I already knew. But I had forgotten that He's good when we don't expect Him to be; good when we don't even want Him to be good. Good when we're not thinking of Him at all, but only wandering around with our hands out, whining and stumbling, suffering and feeling useless. Being useless.
It's good to seek understanding. It's good to look for the light. Who wants to wander in darkness, especially when everyone around us makes fun of us for wasting our time doing it?
But it's also true that the light doesn't lose any of its power when we're momentarily blind. Even when we're voluntarily drawing away from Christ, even when we willfully close our eyes to the truth, we can feel His light beating on our faces. Even blind people can feel the warmth of the sun, and are drawn to it. Even when we're heading into winter and the whole hemisphere is tilting away from the sun, the sun blazes on, waiting for our orbit to take us back again, back into the light.
We want Him, and He wants us. This does not change.
"Either one is Catholic, or one is not."—and who gets to determine this?
The Pope, actually. That's his job; what's really Catholic, and what ain't.
"I read everything that Simcha Fisher writes, and I just can't understand why the Register keeps her around."
I haven't read everything but I have read quite a bit. I enjoy her perspective. I do not always completely agree with her but most of the time she is humorous and makes good points.
Still no takers on the book….Too bad, it would make a lovely Christmas present.
@Tom, was Oakes' essay a "policy position" or a genuine attempt to share her struggle to reconcile her own conflicting beliefs? I don't claim to know, any more than I claim to know what Relapsed Catholic meant. [I admit I really loved Oakes' piece, enough to make me pay for her book—still no takers!]
So let me see if understand you: Your point is that the Catholic Church's patriarchy has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that women are barred from serving as priests?
@Lisa Twaronite: I don't need to know what RelapsedCatholic meant by the word; since, unless it was used to mean "evocative", they were using it wrong. And "emotive" doesn't necessarily mean "manipulative" or "inflammatory"...but in the context of an essay in favor of a policy position, all attempts to "evoke" emotion are effectively both. I personally FEEL that anyone who substitutes a sob-story for an abstract principle should be shot, but I can't make any but an emotional case for it and thus don't actually advocate that.
And the point of bringing up all-female shamans is that since a religion can have all-female priesthood in a country where women have low status—and manshin seem to have been all-female in the Goryeo Kingdom, before the Joseon Kingdom relegated shamans (and Buddhist monks) to "beggar" status—obviously priesthood and social power do not correlate,. I could've just as easily have used the examples of the almost-entirely-male religious practice of the Navajo and Hopi, both of whom are matrilocal and matrilineal and have all property in women's hands.
The point is that assuming Christians have an all-male priesthood because of male domination is intellectually suspect. (Not least because if it were, then we would've had priestesses in "high" medieval France and England, when women had civil rights and social status they wouldn't see again until the 20th century—we have the voting records of the Paris city council from the 1200s, with women's names logged as voters.)
Ha ha, of course I meant you do NOT know for sure. Clearly, the Holy Spirit guided my fingers to make that typo, to show me the Truth.
@Tom, again—my points are 1) you do know for sure what Relapsed Catholic meant by using that word, and 2) "emotive" does not always mean "manipulative, contentious, inflammatory."
And I still don't understand why you made the point about South Korean shamans. You said, "The idea that women cannot be priests because of Catholic 'patriarchy' is adequately refuted by the fact that men cannot be full-fledged Korean shamans." Perhaps you think you're being explicit, but your comparison left me scratching my head, because I don't see how a random fact about something unrelated "refutes" an argument. And shamans have very low social status, so I don't think they can be compared to Catholic priests—at least not the way you're comparing them.
So—you wanna read Oakes' book when I'm done?
@Lisa Twaronite: The point in mentioning Korean shamanism—as I more or less explicitly said when I mentioned it, re-read that comment—is that it is a religion with an all-female priesthood in what is probably the most patriarchal non-Muslim culture in the world, possibly second to India. Thus, the sex of one's priests does not correlate with the dominant sex of one's culture. Correlation does not imply causation, but the LACK of correlation does PRECLUDE causation.
As for the issue of "emotive", if a word is being used in a particular context, it only has the meanings appropriate to that context, like "evocative" in the context of discussing writing. Unless you think RelapsedCatholic might've meant Oakes' essay is capable of imparting physical motion or EZPERIENCING emotions, the other two senses "emotive" has? I may have been wrong to assume that RelapsedCatholic thought "emotive" meant "heartfelt", but whatever they THOUGHT it meant, in that context it ONLY means "designed to arouse emotion".
Anna Lisa, I have no doubt that she would be treated with respect in some parishes, but I am not confident that this would be the case everywhere (based in part on my own experiences over the years). I want to read further on Oakes' views on the Eucharist, which is one reason I ordered her book.
Lisa, I'm pretty sure you know what the answer to your question is—She would be treated with respect. There is a big difference between willful ignorance which, from what I've seen is accompanied by anger, (or worse, indifference)—and a soul that is a seeker. A true seeker may have some emotional road blocks, but this can be worked out—more with the knees than the microphone or editorial.
I tell my kids that I *expect* them to examine what they believe. Having doubts, or feeling troubled about something mysterious is normal. We aren't robots, programmed by others after all! There is a line which must not be crossed however, and for this reason, I admonish my children not to receive communion if they get to the point that they simply don't believe in the true presence. St. Paul warns us of this blasphemy.
Yes Tom, I am indeed very defensive about my intellect. Perhaps it's a character flaw, but it does rub me the wrong way when people ask me rhetorical questions assuming I have no knowledge of something, the way you did.
But unless you know Relapsed Catholic, then neither one of us can know whether (s)he wrote "emotive" when (s)he really meant something closer to "emotional," or whether (s)he actually did mean something closer to "evocative." [Also—not all emotive, evocative speech/writing is "manipulative/inflammatory"—I have heard many emotive homilies that were neither.]
My sarcasm in my second response was indeed uncalled for, since for all I know, you're a professor of Asian Studies, or perhaps you have deep personal experience in the region. I do not know you at all, nor do I have any insight into why you think mentioning a particular aspect of one patriarchal Asian culture [not one upon which I would model my ideal world, since I personally spit on all patriarchy whenever it rears its ugly head] is an example that somehow shows the weakness of Oakes' beliefs.
@Lisa Twaronite: Your first response to me seems to boil down to "anyone who claims to know what words mean is claiming to know everything and/or read minds". Your second response DEFINITELY boils down to "anyone who demonstrates quite basic knowledge of another country or religion is claiming to be an expert".
It would be impolitic to suggest an explanation as to why you are so defensive about your intellect, but you are coming off as very defensive about your intellect.
Goodness, if there are readers out there who are this easily offended then take a word of advice: whatever you do, stay away from Mark Shea! ;-)
Great article, Simcha. It gave me a new perspective on "lapsed Catholics," as I'm sure it has for other (non-picky) readers too.
"Either one is Catholic, or one is not."—and who gets to determine this? I'm asking genuinely here, for anyone who wants to answer. If Oakes showed up at mass at your parish, would she be welcomed? What if she regularly received communion? Would someone bring her writing to the attention of the pastor? How would someone like Oakes be treated on an individual level, in person, not online?
Oh wow, Tom, you're an expert on Asian cultures, too. I should ask you to explain Japan to me, since I still have a hard time understanding it.
@Tom—no, I've never studied linguistics at all. I'm just a simple copyeditor. I dropped out of school when I was 14 to feed my family during the Depression and—no wait, that was my grandmother, sorry. (And she was much smarter than I am, but you'll have to take my word for it.) But no, I've really never studied any linguistics—but perhaps I should! Your expertise somehow allowed you to know what Relapsed Catholic was thinking when (s)he used the word. You know exactly what (s)he meant to say, and therefore, you can definitively state that (s)he used an inappropriate word to convey it. I really wish I had that ability, to know what other people are thinking without a doubt. Maybe I need to go back to school—but since I can't, at this point in my life, I'm grateful for people like you on the Internet, who have all the answers.
[P.S.—Still no takers on Oakes' book! Anyone? Mattnp2? Wouldn't you like to read further and see if maybe she's more than just a "self-indulgent, self-centered individual?"]
The idea that women cannot be priests because of Catholic "patriarchy" is adequately refuted by the fact that men cannot be full-fledged Korean shamans (specifically of the "manshin" or spirit-channeler type, they can perform other, lesser shamanic roles). Do you seriously want to maintain that all shamans being female is because SOUTH KOREA has a matriarchal culture?
I read the Salon article and I must say that Ms. Oakes sounds like a self-indulgent, self-centered individual who has forgotten that the Church is the Church of Jesus Christ, yesterday, today and tomorrow. It is NOT the Church of "me." I believe she has self-selected to leave the Catholic Church and that encouragement from me to leave and don't let the door hit her on the way out is unnecessary. We are either Church or we are not. This isn't a theological buffet where we get to pick and choose. The bishops - successors to the Apostles - are the teachers, which is the task given to them by Jesus Himself (Mt 28:16-20), and they make the rules. They are not a bunch of misogynistic old men who are waging a war on women. This Apostolic succession, along with the belief that the Body and Blood of our Lord and Savior is present in the Eucharist, are what separate the Church from the Protestant denominations. Either one believes, or one does not. Either one is Catholic, or one is not.
Simcha - I was diagnosed with cancer 7 years ago. At the time, I had many people offer to pray for me. They would often preface their comment with "All I can do is pray for you." I can think of nothing more powerful or humbling than for someone to pray to God to intervene on my behalf. Offering a Mass for someone is a tremendous statement of your love for that person.
"The Christian Critic"—Ah. Vintage Simcha.
I had never read that Evelyn Waugh quote. I was really surprised because it's almost exactly what I told my brother-in-law a couple of decades ago, when he expressed doubts over the form my Christianity took.
As for the whole woman priest "agony", I understand to a certain point, and then lose my ability to relate. For goodness sake, St. Francis of Assisi didn't feel *worthy* to be ordained a priest. A lot of people probably just assume he was. Pride is THE original sin.
My father and aunt used to argue with equal vehemence on both sides of this issue. I really understand my Aunt's feminist viewpoint, but a lot of her passion came from *woundedness* at the hands of men.
Envy in any form, for any reason is disordered. To hear my aunt call JPII horrible names ("fat creep in a dress" comes to mind)hardly brought credibility to her argument. She mellowed out considerably with her terminal cancer diagnosis. All of her anger and vindictiveness melted away. I'm happy she was able to find peace in Christ.
As a woman, I rest comfortably in the fact that *ALL* human beings, who profess Christ are priests. I'm comfortable with males, acting in persona Christi at the altar, and don't envy the way their priesthood is carried out, any more than a foot should envy a hand. I don't feel that the nobility of their duties in any way lessens the form in which I am called to carry out my own "royal priesthood" in Christ.
@Lisa Twaronite: I'll see your "inner copyeditor" and raise you one "actually trained in linguistics". The meaning of a word can be determined from context; RelapsedCatholic was using a word in a context where it was not appropriate. Do you know how we determine the meaning of the words of a language? Are you familiar with statistical corpus analysis? Are you sure you're not just assuming that the "-ive" in "emotive" is a derivational morpheme with "emotion" as its root (which leads you to assume that its meaning must simply be "relating to emotion"), rather than "emotive" being a lexeme in its own right that happens to share an etymology with "emotion"?
Consulting the Online Etymology Dictionary, I find that, apart from meaning "causing movement" (mid-18th century—"the steam-engine provides emotive power") or "capable of FEELING emotion" (late 19th-century—"humans are emotive beings"), the first use of "emotive" in the context that RelapsedCatholic uses it is from 1923, in literary criticism, where it is used synonymously with "evocative"; it may well derive in that usage not from "emotion" at all, but from the neologism "emote" (coined 1917), which again refers to theatrical portrayal of emotion.
Thus, when describing A PIECE OF WRITING, as RelapsedCatholic was doing, the usual meaning of "emotive", is far closer to "manipulative" or "inflammatory"—since those are both synonyms with "evocative"—than merely "having to do with the emotions".
Most probably the life of Ms. Oakes did not turn out the way that she herself envisioned it and therefore her lamentation is an invitation for people to feel sorry for her. In other words she wanted the church to change to suit her philosophy and since that is an impossibility and will always be an impossibility, she is "crying" and wants others to "cry" with her. In reality, she is angry at herself because she took the wrong fork in the road.
I have to confess that I am a faithful reader of everything Simcha Fisher writes in this blog despite not being in full communion with all Catholic teachings. I don't always agree with her on everything, but as a former Catholic I understand many of her points and I can see even a reason for her to be a little sarcastic about Oakes' piece.
First of all, I don't think that in this time of South Park, Family Guy, ,etc sarcasm is the antithesis of being a Christian. And in some times it is expected as a tool for making arguments. It makes them more spicy and fun. An example of these style are the witticisms of Richard Dawkins or any other polemicist. And if you are an apologist is not entirely forbidden to make some snarky remarks in the heat of a debate and both sides make them.
It is funny to see these irony and sarcasm police to try to shame Catholic apologists for using some of them in their arguments. We are not robots here and the true non Cristian attitude would be to condemn without giving others the benefit of the doubt or to try to destroy their personal life or to wish them bad things. But pointing out what you think are their errors is valid. It is anyway what a lot of people do in comboxes in the Internet without feeling too bad about it. So trying to shame Simcha for being sarcastic is to show ignorance about basic debate rules, try some ideas.
I see that her remarks about Oakes misunderstanding the Catholic doctrine about priesthood are on the mark. Priesthood in the Catholic church is given in order to perform the Eucharistic miracle and to hear confessions where the sins are forgiven by God through the priest ministry. In the case of Bishops they have the power to give these powers to new priest and to create (consecrate) new Bishops. So as the priests are instruments of God to perform some miracles, and they are not just leader preachers or just presidents of the liturgy as in some churches. So the idea of someone being able to demand the rights to perform what only ordained ministries in the Catholic church can perform is inconsistent. You do not demand to be able to celebrate Mass, hear confessions or ordain new priests.
In the Catholic world even ordained ministers don't have the right to perform their sacramental duties, they are always need the authorization of the bishop to perform sacraments, though unauthorized sacraments can be valid in some circumstances.
In the same topic then it is clear that if you believe that the sacraments of the Church are real miracles and not beautiful symbols, it is sort of easy to make peace with the idea that you don't get to perform them because you are not called (if you are a male) or because of biology (if you are female). If you choose to believe that they are not miracles then there is no drama in just leaving the Catholic church. If you want someone to tell you that you can be ordained to perform sacraments if you are a woman you have the Anglicans or many other Christian churches.
In Catholic retreats nowadays it is possible to have female preachers (usually nuns) and women have the right to participate in the liturgy in many ways that were not open to them before the Vatican II. They can be, for example, Eucharistic ministers, lectors, altar servers, etc. But because the Catholic Mass is more than a bible lecture with collective prayers they still need a priest to be the main celebrant.
I guess you can believe in the reality of the sacraments as miracles (miracles being acts that only God can do) and think that there is not an important reason to close the doors of priesthood to women. But you have to state this clearly if you want to carry some weight in a debate with people that are Roman Catholics.
One thing I can add to the discussion is that the reason that other Christian churches do not have too much trouble with having female pastors is that in their communities the pastor is a moral leader that does not have the capacity to be instrument of God in things that only God can do as forgive sins against Him (Her?) or mutate (transubstantiate) a piece of bread in the body of Jesus Christ and the wine in the Blood of Christ without altering its appearance. That's what the Catholics believe and if you can believe that it is easy to come to terms with everything else and I don't mean to be hurtful here I am just being logical.
I think that if you don't believe in sacraments as miracles you can stop considering yourself Catholic without drama and just join another church more according to your taste. But if you believe that the sacraments are real miracles exclusive of the Roman Catholic church you'll have to accept its teachings about them (including who has the power to perform them).
So I think that the question of why don't you just leave the Church is not entirely offensive (but I understand that it can also be tossed with the intention of being hurtful, Simcha and the other Catholic readers of this blog should take note of this). For me the answer would clarify if at least you are a Catholic believer (as in Roman Catholic) and you'll have to be open to a dialog that it may not be solved soon in why the Catholics don't ordain women (and ordaining in the Catholic world means something different from its meaning in the main Protestant churches, I know one woman that is soon to be ordained in the Presbiterian church) or if you at the end are not really a Roman Catholic. And in the last case it is easy today to find other non Roman branches in which you or your female friends can be ordained.
I have to say that I am writing this comment very reluctantly as I don't have time to debate ad infinitum about my grammar, my tone, why I read Simcha's blog if I am not a Catholic, etc, etc (the reason for this is obvious, I love mommy blogs :D, I have a brain in my skull and a heart in my chest, hehe). I have little patience for doctrine wars, there are some things that you have to solve for yourself looking inside without having to insult people you don't know in the cyberspace and asking people you trust and love in private conversations, so I finish my comment.
PS. @Simcha I bought and read your book on NFP and I have to admit that I laughed a lot in sympathy with what you NFP practitioners have to deal with. You can be crazy, but you put your money where your mouth is and that is admirable.
The devil will always try to put a wedge between the Church and Her children, but this has never worked and it will never work.
Thank God the Holy Spirit is in charge! :-)
PS - I like your column a lot! Keep writing!!
Oh….I can't be silent. My inner copyeditor won't be still until I speak up:
Merriam Webster on "emotive:" http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/emotive
1: of or relating to the emotions
2: appealing to or expressing emotion <the emotive use of language>
Of course, it is entirely possible to use emotive speech or actions to be "manipulative, contentious, inflammatory," but that would depend entirely on the person's intent.
Hi, Simcha—I plan to read your book over the New Year's holiday. I'm not practicing NFP nor do I have any desire to do so (and in a few years, I imagine I would have no reason to ever do it), but I'm always very interested in reading about why people believe whatever they believe. So no one "goaded" me into buying anything—I just read further on Oakes, and was intrigued. So it wasn't a "revenge" purchase. (And FYI, no one has taken me up on my offer yet—seriously? No one wants a free book?)
I do in fact have a shelf of religious books, many of which I ordered after reading about them on blogs, some of which I bought for a book club of sorts that my parish used to hold—and not all of which align with my own beliefs. It's a small shelf, because I believe in passing books on, rather than letting them gather dust.
I also agree that "if you don't like what the Church teaches, then get the hell out" is a negative and potentially harmful precedent to set. Telling people to "suck it up" is simply bad manners.
@RelapsedCatholic: It makes no logical or theological sense to you because you won't hold off your self-righteous tirades long enough to hear the logical or theological case for it.
"Introspective and emotive" are, neither of them, within a parallax-second of "logical", "reasonable", "factual", or "remotely relevant". Newsflash, the chemicals in your endocrine system don't constitute an argument.
As for telling her how she's entitled to feel: you claim the authority to tell us we're not entitled to feel contempt for Oakes' attempt to substitute a daytime talk-show sob-story for a policy argument. And not only are we not entitled to feel certain ways, but we're also apparently not entitled to describe your manifest ignorance, unintelligence, and heresy as what they are.
That's the real clincher: you are entitled to your own emotional reactions, but you are not entitled to make up what you react to. An emotion that is not in reference to some actual objectively-existing external is NOT a valid emotion, and you do NOT have the right to it. As human flesh is not for eating, you are not entitled to feel hungry for boiled banker. I'm sorry if that upsets you.
PS. "Emotive" does not actually mean, as you appear to think, "heartfelt". It means "manipulative, contentious, inflammatory". ("To emote", similarly, means "to overact in the manner of silent film actors".)
You know, there are very few Catholics whose minds and hearts are 100% in conformity with what the Church teaches. Many people don't like or understand some aspect of what the Church teaches, but we do our best to be as faithful and obedient as we can, and continue to seek understanding. And there are many more people who THINK they are 100% in conformity, but are not. For instance, someone who accepts the Church's teaching on the male priesthood but who unrepentantly ignores the Church's teaching to help the poor is in no better shape than someone who works tirelessly for the poor but rejects the Church's teaching on the male priesthood. Some deviations from obedience are easier to spot than others!
So this attitude of "if you don't like what the Church teaches, then get the hell out" is a pretty dangerous precedent to set. The Church calls ALL of us, no matter WHICH of her doctrines we have trouble accepting, to keep on working toward better understanding and better obedience.
When we are in flagrant disobedience, and simply say, "I understand what the Church teaches, and I reject it," then we must not receive Communion. But if we're unquiet in our minds about the reason for some doctrine, but are trying to understand better, then we can certainly still call ourselves Catholics.
@Lisa Twaronite, this is the second time I've accidentally goaded you into buying a book by criticizing the author. Do you have a special shelf in your living room that's stocked with revenge purchases? Because if so, I've heard that the author of The Sinner's Guide to Natural Family Planning is a stupid hippie loser who should be drummed out of the Catholic Church, and no Catholic should read her. If you value your eternal soul, definitely don't buy multiple copies of this book, now available for pre-order on Amazon. Also available in ebook and audiobook form. For SINNERS.
A Catholic is someone who believes what the Catholic Church holds and teaches. Either you're honest about who you are or you're not, and that's true of all of us. And if you are Catholic, you believe that women don't have vocations to the priesthood because God doesn't call people to something He doesn't allow them to do. It's sometimes hard to distinguish the source of an inspiration: God, the devil, or myself. In the case of women's ordination, the source of the inspiration is not the first of those sources. I would suggest that people who disagree spend more time in private adoration of the Eucharist and let Jesus teach you what He wants from you. He will call you to something that uses every bit of your abilities if you simply listen and do.
@Matthew Ogden.
Stop "helping". Your chauvinism and misogyny don't add anything to the discussion.
It's so aggravating to read comboxes on articles like the one Simcha wrote because the comments do nothing but validate the points Simcha is making clearly.
Yes, often we do have to suck it up. Belief is about believing. About not my will being done, but thine. This is what it is
"... the mindless woman who wrote the Salon article deserves hostility for her ignorance and arrogance." Wow. Nice!
Is it really all right to denigrate someone personally, and not just their ideas?
I've just ordered Ms. Oakes' book on Amazon. I want to hear more of what this "mindless" woman has to say.
Anyone "open minded" enough to want to read it when I'm done?
I'll pay postage from Japan to send it to you. You can email me at my first initial and last name (no space between them) at gmail. If more than one person is interested, I'll send it to the first person who responds, and then I'll send that person the contact info of the respondents.
What kind of deep-seeded misogyny is required to read an introspective and emotive narrative and then feel entitled to tell the woman how she should feel? Sorry, a great many Catholics do not agree with the banning of females from the priesthood. It makes no logical or theological sense to us. We are not ill-informed, we are not stupid, and we are Catholic.
Even if this piece is hostile, which it most certainly is not, the mindless woman who wrote the Salon article deserves hostility for her ignorance and arrogance. Virtue is not synonymous with being pleasant, and as St. Augustine said, charity is no substitute for justice withheld. if there's anything wrong with what Simcha wrote here, it's that perhaps she wasn't hostile enough.
Yes DN, "It's striking to me how sympathetic Simcha Fisher is to her, and how Oakes's self-appointed defenders fail to return the same". I totally agree with your statement.
Simply beautiful, THANKS!
Perhaps I'm a closed-minded child, but when someone tells me to "suck it up," I tend to back away from them. Life's too short to put up with people who don't care if their tone or words offend others.
My father told me to suck it up often and it was the best thing he could have done so…......yes. An open mind is an open mind. Even to tones of voice and words we don't like. It's called being an adult.
Maera, thank (space) you for condescendingly telling me how to spell. And we both know "inChristian" was a mistype- so why be snarky? I don't know what the point of your comment was, other than to be rude. Well done!
As a second comment: I'm a bit older than you - married 58 years and counting - and have done much reading in recent years.
As to why the Church has no women priests:
2000 years ago, every religion EXCEPT ONE (Judaism) had priestesses as well as priests. Certainly Jesus could have ordained St. Mary Magdalen, if He had wanted to. And His mother has a higher position in Heaven than any priest, bishop or pope. Becoming a priest is not necessary for sanctity.
(If you have had time to read Dante's Divine Comedy (in English translation), you discover that Dante assigns many of the bishops and popes of his time to hell. Ordination is not a guarantee of salvation.)
It seems to me that St. Peter and the other apostles simply followed the precedent Our Lord established in this regard. The theological reflections and reasoning came later.
Hope that this helps.
So people with differing opinions shouldn't expect to be spoken to "nicely and sugarcoated," and should have an open mind to people who tell them to "Suck it up?"
This is a beautiful reflection. Thank you.
I really think it is too easy to over emotionalize criticism. Being Christian does not mean that we lose our spines. Calling things as they are: pathetic? (yup) only becomes offensive when someone objects to the "not so nicey nice tone" that all peace loving Christians are supposed to have. There are times for nice and times for not so nice. Even Jesus overturned the tables in the temple where they were defiling His father's house. Truth is truth. If you need everything said nicely and sugarcoated to be considered with an open mind, you should remember the man whose words were not always what others wanted to hear or said in a way that everyone approved of; Jesus. Suck it up.
Rosemarie's comment made me wonder if indeed Oakes is "a bit into her senior years"—her birth year isn't listed anywhere I could immediately find, but she looks under 50 in her photos. Of course, photos lie.
For anyone intrigued to know more about Oakes after reading her piece (as I just was), she wrote a whole book on why returned to Catholicism: http://www.amazon.com/Radical-Reinvention-Unlikely-Return-Catholic/dp/1593764316
One fact that strikes me about this comment thread is that so many people say, in different words, "If she doesn't like the Church, she should just leave." Honestly? No dissent allowed? Only the faithful need apply—those with doubts, questions and yes, even hope for change, should simply go away?
Simcha, I loved your article. I'm really getting tired of people complaining about the church, especially about the role of women in the Church. If she feels so strongly about this, she should join a Church that she feels is more in line with her ideals. If she feels there should be women priests, the Episcopal Church would be the way to go. And yes, it's not bread it's the Eucharist.
Interestingly, I've found a lot of these women are a little bit into their senior years. I'm not inferring that she is, but I remember women, some even former nuns, being involved in the so called women's lib movement, and some of these things were first parroted back then. It was wrong then, and just as wrong now. Women can be involved in many ways without being priests. Here's a bad joke : "Why can't women be priests?" "Because they couldn't keep a secret after hearing a confession." Thanks again for your columns, love all of them.
DN, if use of words like "pathetic little piece" is characteristic of your idea of sympathy, I hope I never incur your scorn.
I'm fairly familiar with Kaya Oakes's public words, and no, whether or not she understands it, it does not follow that she holds it (as opposed to knows it) clearly and in the way the Church does. She's a self-confessed practice- and experience-first Catholic, which is fine except that she can't keep her hands out of doctrine, instead of receiving it. The attempt to conform the Church to our image is always strong, but particularly among those not strongly drawn to the truths it already professes. I only hope her attitude switches over time, and that the clergy and others encouraging her confusion likewise reverse course. Practice/experience is a true and good route into the Faith, but it has to be delivered up into the truth on which it is founded. Each route is completed in the others.
It's striking to me how sympathetic Simcha Fisher is to her, and how Oakes's self-appointed defenders fail to return the same.
@Michele Somerville: Listen, I'm sure Ms. Oakes is a nice lady, but she did not demonstrate in any way, in this article, that she believes in the True Presence. There are hints that she has been influenced by the theological works of Dan Brown, though, so I'm not especially motivated to read more of her writing.
I'm curious. What do YOU think is the reason that there are no women priests in the Church? Have you ever read any documents or articles explaining the reason for this doctrine?
Dear Ms. Fischer:
Anyone familiar with her work knows Oakes has a clear understanding of the difference between transubstantiation and consubstantiation. Anyone familiar with literature (Catholic and otherwise) understands the wider use of "bread"—Think, "I am the bread of life" which you probably sing every time a child you know receives First Eucharist. I agree that seminarians do not scream and yell in order to request training to receive Holy Orders but the word demand also has a wider use. In French, for example (from which we English speakers got it) "demand" means to ask. In English, it often suggests a fervent request. I enjoy close friendships with Roman Catholic priests and yes, each was, upon receiving Holy Orders, as you say, "bowled over with the intensity of serving God." I doubt that they feel they do not deserve anything and more than that "deserving" is so profound a feeling it would be difficult for you or really anyone to insist on expertise on any priests' sense of "deserving." The women priests I know, as well, request/demand/seek from the kind of humbleness you ascribe to the dozens of priest you interview. We can agree that selfishness ought never be the driving motivation for seeking ordination. It is fine to pray for Kaya Oakes, but I think you misunderstand "torment." Faith untested and unchallenged is chauvinism. We Roman Catholics have a rich intellectual tradition. Were you to avail yourself of immersion in some of it, you would see that Oakes' use of words like "bread" and "demand" suggest more than their most obvious meanings, and that poetic license accounts for her hyperbolic use of "torment" to characterize moments of ambivalence or dissatisfaction. Also, faith untested is not vital. Women should be questioning the prohibition against ordaining women. All self-respecting Catholic women should at least question the hierarchy's misogyny! Most of the cardinals are!
Ms. Fisher, that was an excellent piece. There is a reader of S. Trasancos named Bill that hopefully sees this. I can not imagine the pain that man feels but I pray he is healed and again finds joy in his heart. It appears that this world if full of people like Ms. Oakes. I know we will include her in our prayers. I have a cousin that has just been named a priestess in the American Catholic Church and she is a joy to be around; a very spiritual and holy person. More holy than some Catholic priests but she simply cannot grasp the theology of the male priesthood. That is sad. We trust in the Mercy and Judgment of the Lord.
Excellent piece. "Demanding the right to serve is like demanding that all paratroopers have the right to carry anvils."—thought provoking analogy.
Mr. X, it is funny that you read EVERYTHING that Simcha writes, but cannot understand why the Register keeps her arround.
Simcha, perhaps you should read an article (or two, or three) about the difference between literary criticism and hostile condescension. "Pathetic little piece" is not legitimate literary criticism. It's juvenile sniping.
I read everything that Simcha Fisher writes, and I just can't understand why the Register keeps her around.
Some of you might be interested on my take on whether it's Christian to be critical: http://www.ncregister.com/blog/simcha-fisher/the-christian-critic
Ez writes: "Mike don't you think calling someone "hostile"and "condescending" and "inChristian", is infact hostile and condescending and unChristian- pretty much the same thing you accuse Simcha of being…It ceases to amaze me how we fail to see the log in our own eye…Thankyou for the chuckle."
No, in fact, it is not hostile, condescending, and un-Christian to simply observe that someone's article comes across as hostile, condescending, and un-Christian. Anyone who starts a review of an article with "pathetic little piece" is being deliberately hostile and condescending. You can make your own decision about whether that's un-Christian.
And your "Thankyou for the chuckle" (btw, there's a space in between "thank" and "you") could not possibly be more condescending, so perhaps you need to search your own eye for logs, my friend. Let me know when you define "inChristian." Sounds like a Christian boy band.
Wow! Love this! Especially this: "...the sun blazes on, waiting for our orbit to take us back again, back into the light.
We want Him, and He wants us. This does not change."
These works spoke very deeply to my heart today. God bless you and thank you.
Mike don't you think calling someone "hostile"and "condescending" and "inChristian", is infact hostile and condescending and unChristian- pretty much the same thing you accuse Simcha of being…It ceases to amaze me how we fail to see the log in our own eye…Thankyou for the chuckle.
Michele, how can you publicly admitt that you dabble in other Christian denominations, then express an entitlement to be a Preist in the Church you show no loyalty to. That's like saying, I expect a promotion to Executive Manager at this Company, but wait whilst I test the waters at this other Corporation for good measure, while that promotion comes through- how confused!
And yes, referring to the Eucharist as "bread", rather than what it is and what we Catholics profess it to be, The Body of Christ, for whatever writerly effect, is either being disrespectful, or just plain ignorant. I would be very concerned if Oakes was teaching me Theology at University- I'd demand my college fees refunded immediately! Can you imagine if Oakes did actually become a Priest and was talking in the same manner at the Pulpit?!
I think her peice was much ado about nothing.
Michele Somerville,
I don't think Catholic men "demand" their right to be priests.Rather,they discern a vocation.
Folks demand all kinds of stuff from the Church like it was the local Chamber of Commerce.If the Church was just like the every day,shifting world & held no unchanging, eternal truths, my guess is that those same complaining folk would actually be dissapointed & would go elsewhere for their spiritual needs.Just like kids complain about parental boundaries but are secretly grateful for them.
What a beautiful and gracious response to Oakes' hostile (and yes, woefully ignorant) piece. It is difficult to grasp the beauty and timeless truths of the Church's teachings when you approach it with a sense of resentment and entitlement, as Oakes does. The assumption that you, an individual, somehow know better than the 2,000 year old Church or Christ himself can easily make you unable to perceive Truth.
I will definitely be praying for Oakes: that her heart is softened, and her spirit touched by the God that she both so steadfastly rejects and yet so desperately desires.
Simcha, you state: "There is a reason why even former Catholics keep on identifying themselves as 'lapsed Catholics' or 'recovering Catholics,' and it's not about brainwashing our emotional scars."
Actually, sometimes—not always, but sometimes—it is indeed about both of those, or other negative experiences, too. Some people self-identify as lapsed Catholic for simple factual reasons, the way they might say, "I grew up in Milwaukee," etc.
I'm not quite sure myself whether I myself count as a Catholic or an ex-Catholic, but the reason I use the word "Catholic" at all has nothing to do with God, or any belief (or lack thereof) but because for better or for worse, Catholicism is the institution that formed the foundation of my values—some of which I rejected, some I retained.
But plenty of people who identify as lapsed Catholics are practicing members of other religions, in which they presumably feel close to God than they did in the religion they left.
If you read the article she is completely clueless about Catholic teaching on the Eucharist. She said she took communion from an anglican priestess and thinks it is the same. It seems to me she is completely clueless about Catholic teaching as a whole and needs to read her catechism or go to an adult learning class from someone who knows what they're talking about.
Oakes' "torment" was, I believe, a title slapped on there by Salon when they reposted her piece. (It wasn't the original title of her piece as it first appeared online.) Also, I'll leave assessments of the Host and seminarians to the experts, but I will say that while you may not think you were being hostile in your column, when you begin by referring to Oakes' "pathetic little piece" and refer to her as "clueless," your condescension and hostility plainly come through. Such tones are perhaps to be expected of critics, particularly on the Internet, but they seem unbecoming of one who professes to be such a committed Christian.
@Michelle Somerville: Nope, I'm pretty sure that a Catholic who refers to a consercrated Host as "bread" is demonstrating ignorance. Catholics believe that it looks like bread, but is something else. It's Christ's body and blood, soul and divinity, not "bread in the larger sense."
And no, seminarians do not "demand the right" to serve as priest. I'm pretty sure they'd get booted out on their asses before the first year is up, if they came in with that attitude. I've interviewed dozens of priests, and every single one of them is bowled over with the immensity of the honor that has been done to them by having been granted the privilege of serving God. They don't think in terms of rights at all. They're not trying to get something, and they don't feel like they deserve anything.
I am sorry that my piece came across as hostile, though. I felt very sorry for the author, and I hope that she comes across someone who can catechise her more thoroughly, so that her love for her faith can develop into something that will give her joy instead of the "torment" she describes in her essay.
Dear Ms. Fischer,
What a hostile piece of writing! And full of erroneous observations. Oakes does not "lament that she can not be a priest." She laments is that women with vocations are kept from the priesthood. There is a big difference. Re: the reference to the Eucharist as bread was obviously more a writerly choice than a failure to grasp the essential baby theology of what you erroneously characterize as a misnomer. Oakes is writing about bread in the larger sense. THere is no legitimate cause to infer through her use of the word "bread" a lack of awareness of the rudimentary theology of transubstantiation. I'm sure you do not actually believe a female rabbi or episcopal priest is a paratrooper carrying an anvil! If a person attends "another church" and writes about it publicly, such attendance can hardly be described as "furtive." Catholic men "demand the right" to serve as priests all the time; It's called entering the seminary. You claim Oakes keeps returning to church even though "she doesn't like what she's experienced." This could not be more inaccurate. She loves her involvement in her church, writes eloquently in "Radical Reinvention" (http://www.amazon.com/Radical-Reinvention-Unlikely-Return-Catholic-ebook/dp/B008BSJEW8/ref=la_B002C1SFTI_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1385090024&sr=1-1) about the joy of her life in the Church. Furthermore, Oakes, an author who teaches sacred texts at one the finest universities in the nation, can hardly be characterized as someone "who does not have the first clue about what she's experienced."
Beautiful, Simcha. Bless you for being here. We never cease needing to be reminded, that prayer is not the least we can do, it's the most powerful thing we can do.
I was reminded yet again today, that if I'm not praying about something as much as I'm talking about it, it doesn't matter what I put in the combox or anywhere else. Most of it's going to go to waste. Clashing cymbals, and all that.
Recall what Christ said to those seeking healing: Go. Your faith has saved you.
Thanks for this. In my opinion, you write from where we are out here in real life. You are Catholic.
This is beautiful.
I really think there is something to the fact that baptized Catholics seem to have a soul that seeks the truth, even when they lack formation and understanding.


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