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On January 1st, 2014, 40 shops[1] in Colorado opened their doors to a new type of consumer: legal marijuana users. On July 8th, 2014[2], a handful of shops in Washington joined them. These two states have made a social experiment out of a pressing question: What will happen if we legalize marijuana?
Nearly two dozen states[3] have legalized medical marijuana, and according to Gallup, as of 2013, some 58 percent[4] of Americans felt that marijuana should be legalized. It's easy to see why. With almost 14 percent[5] of the country's massive prison population in jail for marijuana-related offenses, the country is fed up with the War on Drugs.
But is legalizing marijuana for everyone over age 21 the right solution? New data from Colorado shed some light on their current situation.
High Times in Colorado
Although the data isn't yet in for crime in Colorado on a state level, Denver has released its report for the first half of the year. Since marijuana went up for public sale on January 1st, rates of violent crime have dropped five percent[6], a 10 percent decrease from last year. Theft from cars has dropped approximately 35 percent.
However, overall crime rates[7] in Denver have gone up 10 percent compared to last year, including non-aggravated assault, drug violations, criminal mischief, and disturbing the peace.
The Colorado State Patrol only began tracking DUIs specific to marijuana use in 2014, since the first legal shops opened. However, in the first five months since January, they found that about 10 to 15 percent of all DUIs involved marijuana intoxication. Nearly half of those had also used alcohol or some other drug as well.
In theory this could suggest that Colorado might soon be seeing increases in marijuana-related traffic fatalities. When Colorado legalized medical marijuana, its rate of such fatalities doubled[8] while the national average was falling.
It is worth noting however that there are likely many other variables in play when it comes to the increased crime rate in Colorado and only comparing one year to the next is not enough to call this a trend. A collection and analysis of data in the following years will be needed in order to truly know the effects legalized marijuana plays on crime rates.
Fewer People in Jail Means Lower Costs
Although the overall number of drug offenses is up, fewer people will be going to jail for drug crimes. Between 2001 and 2010, about 108,000 people[9] were arrested for marijuana possession in Colorado at levels that are now legal.
According to the Colorado Center on Law and Policy, the state of Colorado could save as much as $12 million to $40 million[10] of its current $60 million costs spent fighting marijuana usage and trafficking.
Profits from Taxes to Fund Schools
Part of Colorado's motivation in legalizing marijuana was not just to empty out overcrowded prisons, but also to raise money. Not including local taxes, Colorado has imposed[11] a 2.9 percent sales tax, a 10 percent state tax on retail marijuana sales, and a 15 percent excise tax on wholesale marijuana, bringing the total to a nearly 30 percent tax rate.
The first $40 million to be raised has been earmarked to fund public schools. Other proposed initiatives would use the tax funds to provide youth education programs about substance abuse.
"While the rest of the country's economy is slowly picking back up, we're thriving here in Colorado." – Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper
More Weed, More Jobs
Between the growing new marijuana industry and the funding for schools, legalization of marijuana might also create new jobs.
The Marijuana Industry Group estimates that about 10,000 people are employed in the legal marijuana industry, with 1,000 to 2,000 new jobs created in the last few months alone. These jobs range from agricultural specialists supplying greenhouse materials, fertilizer, and piping to more consumer-facing positions like vaporizer sellers.
The funding for schools is also going to create new jobs – an estimated 372 jobs, of which 217 will be in construction through the Building Excellent Schools Today program.[12]
Selling Weed to Kids?
Children might benefit from the taxes going to fund their schools, but are they getting ahold of this new wealth of legal marijuana?
Exposure to weed, like any drug, poses risks to a child or teen's developing brain[13]. During development, the brain is forming and pruning connections between nerve cells. This requires a fragile and highly intricate interplay between environment, genetics, and signals given off by the cells themselves. Marijuana's primary component, THC, mimics the body's own signaling molecule, endocannabinoid. By washing the brain with THC, these signals can get thrown awry, and give the brain the wrong messages about which nerve connections to keep and which to destroy.
The good news is that kids aren't buying weed from the new legal shops. The Colorado Department of Revenue, Marijuana Enforcement Division announced in late June that 100 percent[14] of marijuana businesses checked were complying with laws requiring them to ID their customers to ensure that buyers are over 21.
However, just like with beer, people over 21 can buy marijuana and resell it to kids under 21. Colorado law enforcement has not yet released statistics on how prevalent this might be.
In the Hands of Children
Even if no one intentionally shares their cannabis products with children, it's still easy for children to accidentally eat something containing THC. The drug can be extracted as an oil and used to make any number of foods, including chocolate bars, lollipops, pastries, cookies, and other child-tempting foods. A child's small body weight means the high dose of THC in one of these foods could make him or her very sick. Pets, especially dogs, are also at risk.
According to ABC 7 News Denver, the Rocky Mountain Poison Control Center said it has had 19 calls from people reporting that children younger than five years old have eaten cannabis products. [15] Some get sick enough that they have to go to the hospital. The emergency room at the Children's Hospital Colorado in Aurora only saw eight cases of children ingesting edible marijuana in all of 2013, but as of July 2014 it's seen 12 cases. [16] Seven of the children were placed into intensive care, two of whom needed breathing tubes. Fortunately, all recovered after a day or two.
High Potency, Higher ER Admissions
Children aren't the only ones showing up in the emergency room sick from too much marijuana. Many adults are having a hard time adjusting to the increased potency of some of the products available, especially foods (called edibles). Colorado law limits the THC content in an edible to 100 mg[17] – which is to say, the equivalent to roughly 20 hits of marijuana when it's smoked. A heavy user might be able to handle that much, but it's over twice what a casual user might use at one time.
Unlike the effects of smoking marijuana, which usually act quite quickly, the effects of edibles can often take an hour or more to manifest. In that time, a user might think that the drug isn't working and use more. When the full effects cumulate, he or she could be much, much too high.
The effects of excess marijuana can include:
- Elevated heart rate and blood pressure
- Restlessness, agitation, anxiety or paranoia
- Grogginess or sleepiness
- Hallucinations
- Nausea
According to Colorado Public Radio, the emergency room at the University of Colorado Hospital is admitting about a person a day for cannabis-related problems, most of which are caused by edibles.[18]
Regulators are currently considering how to tackle these problems. Proposed options including lowering the limits on how much THC can be in each edible and specially marking foods containing THC as not safe for children. The market is also responding, with manufacturers coming out with more low-dose options that provide the recreational high that many non-medical buyers are seeking.
What About Washington?
On July 7, 2014 Washington State issued 24 licenses for retail marijuana shops to open, allowing them to open on July 8. [19] The Washington State Liquor Control Board has allotted a total of 334 licenses to eventually be issued.
This may be a problem on the supply end of the sales chain. Although over 2,600 people have applied for a license to grow recreational marijuana, fewer than 100 of them have been approved, and fewer still had their product ready to sell in time. [20] This lack of supply is expected to drive up prices until the market can stabilize.
A Look to the Future
Although only time can tell how recreational marijuana will affect Washington, a report from the Evans School of Public Affairs at the University of Washington has made some predictions.[21]
The new law allows possession of less than an ounce of marijuana, which was formerly a misdemeanor. In no longer processing those crimes, the state should save around $23.7 million annually. However
these savings will be offset by a predicted increase in emergency room visits, which may cost the state about $12.4 million each year.
As for accidents caused while driving under the influence of marijuana, the report estimates the damages to cost $9.1 million annually. However, this assumes that only 4.2 percent of the population will drive while impaired, which makes a crash two to three times more likely. For reference, alcohol makes a crash six to 15 times more likely. If Colorado's data are any indication, that number might be much higher.
[1] Healy, J. (January 1, 2014). "Up Early and in Line for a Marijuana Milestone in Colorado." The New York Times. Accessed July 7, 2014.
[2] Dokoupil, T. (July 7, 2014). "Washington State's First Legal Marijuana Shops Set to Open Amid Chaos." NBC News. Accessed July 7, 2014.
[3] Lee, J.; and Gelles, K. (January 6, 2014). "Which states have legalized medical marijuana?." USA Today.Accessed July 6, 2014.
[4] Swift, A. (October 22, 2013). "For First Time, Americans Favor Legalizing Marijuana." Gallup. Accessed July 5, 2014.
[5] "Offenses." (May 24, 2014). Federal Bureau of Prisons. Accessed July 5, 2014.
[6] "Crime In The City And County Of Denver Based On UCR Standards." (n/a). City of Denver. Accessed July 5, 2014.
[7] "Reported Offenses in the City and County of Denver by Month." (June 6 2014). City of Denver. Accessed July 5, 2014.
[8] "The Legalization of Marijuana in Colorado: The Impact." (August 2013). Rocky Mountain High Intensity Trafficking Area. Accessed July 3, 2014.
[9] Levine, H.; Gettman, J.; and Siegel, L. (October 2012). "Marijuana Possession Arrests in Colorado 1986-2010." Marijuana-arrests.com. Accessed July 6, 2014.
[10] "Status Report: Marijuana Regulation in Colorado After Six Months of Retail Sales and 18 Months of Decriminalization." (n/a) Drug Policy Alliance. Accessed July 2, 2014.
[11] Henchman, J. (January 1, 2014). "Colorado Begins Legal Marijuana Sales, Collecting Marijuana Tax." TaxFoundation.org. Accessed July 5, 2014.
[12] Ferner, M. (August 17, 2012). "Legalized Marijuana Could Generate $100 Million In Revenue Annually For Colorado: Report." The Huffington Post. Accessed July 7, 2014.
[13] Lisdahl, K.; Gilbart, E.; Wright, N.; and Shollenbarger, S. (July 1 2013). "Dare to delay? The impacts of adolescent alcohol and marijuana use onset on cognition, brain structure, and function." Frontiers in Psychiatry. Accessed July 3, 2014.
[14] Sky-Hi Staff. (July 1, 2014). "Colorado's marijuana enforcement division announces successful underage compliance checks." Sky-Hi Daily News. Accessed July 3, 2014.
[15] Watts, L. (June 28, 2014). "After 6 months, legal pot in Colorado a mix of highs, lows; related crime down, impaired driving up." ABC 7 News Denver. Accessed July 7th, 2014.
[16] Richman, J. (July 6, 2014). "Marijuana legalization in Colorado: So far, so good." San Jose Mercury News. Accessed July 7th, 2014.
[17] Hehir, D. (n/a) "Marijuana ER visits on the rise." Telluride Medical Center. Accessed July 7, 2014.
[18] Dukakis, A. (April 29, 2014). "Denver emergency room doctor seeing more patients for marijuana edibles." Colorado Public Radio. Accessed July 7, 2014.
[19] "Liquor Control Board issues first marijuana retailer licenses." (July 7, 2014). Washington State Liquor Control Board. Accessed July 8, 2014.
[20] Associated Press. (July 8, 2014). "Legal marijuana goes on sale in Washington." Fox News. Accessed July 8, 2014.
[21] Archambault, M.; NcNeilly, E.; and Roe, P. (2013). "Benefit-Cost Analysis of Initiative 502: Legalization of Marijuana in Washington." Evans School of Public Affairs at the University of Washington. Accessed July 6th, 2014.


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Is a day trip from Rome to Pompeii doable? We will be in Rome 3 days before going to Sicily and would like to see Pompeii. How far is it from Rome to Pompeii? We will have 2 teens with us (and it will be August).
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With only three days in Rome and August heat, I would forget Pompeii. There is little to no shade in most of Pompeii. How are you getting to Sicily? Perhaps you can stop at Pompeii on the way?
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Take a look at Cityrama Tours-that will give you an idea of the length of such a trip. Your typo will be correct-it will be a day drip-lots of heat. You might consider a guided tour. It's a long day but with a tour everyone can sleep on the way back.
Have fun! How long will you be in Sicily?
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Agreeing with the previous replies, don't do it.
BUT, should you really want to, then get the early train from Rome to Naples (the fastest train costs around €90 return, but takes just over an hour - Slower trains take over two hours, but cost as little as €23 return), Change trains at Napoli centrale to the circumvesuviana (it is downstairs) out to Pompei Scavi.
Journey time about 40 minutes.
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Please see the link below and scroll down to the end. A 10-hour day trip. About the same price as train mentioned by willit but someone else is driving. The cityrama site didn't mention Pompeii so I may have been mistaken about them running a tour there.
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Consider a morning or afternoon at Ostia Antica, the extensive ruins of the old Roman harbour town. It takes only half an hour from Piramide on the train and costs 1 euro to get there, including the metro from where you are staying.
We were there last week and it was lovely and uncrowded. There was a private guide offering a tour and her group seemed to be enjoying themselves as we observed them. We loved the untrammeled areas to the side, with wildflowers and mosaics, the cicadas singing, and a feeling of tranquility.
If you do go, visit the Protestant Cemetery by the Piramide monument, another quiet and interesting area in hectic touristy Rome (plus cats!)
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Try response #31 of this long trip report, for a wonderfully detailed account how one lady, her 13yo daughter and 70yo mother got on....
Her last paragraph begins.. "My daughter loved Pompeii. She actually wanted to go back the next day, but that seemed like too much travelling (and expense) to me."
And ends.. "I'd guess that Pompeii was one of the high points of the trip for my daughter, as 11 of the 50 photos she posted on her Facebook page were from Pompeii."
PS - No assigned seats on the very cheap train (€10.50), but there are on all the others!
PPS - you'll find those directions she mentions, for the change of lines in Naples, here...
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It's possible but it's an incredibly long day - and in August Pompeii will be like spending the day in a frying pan.
3 days is a VERY limited time to see Rome alone - I would focus on that. If you cover the Colosseum and Forum in detail - it won;t be Pompeii - but it will be a substantial taste of ancient Rome. And either get a very good professional guide (not the 1 hour with the least common denominator guide) or a good guide book of your own - and be sure you understand Roman history - the Republic, the Empire - and what role the forum played in the government. (Remember Rome has a system of public baths, apartment houses, flush toilets and a host of "modern" facilities that were lost in Europe for more than a thousand years after the fall.)
(My high school history teacher always started the post-ancient middle east history with: The greeks had the brains but the romans had the drains - philosophers/scientists versus the practical society.)
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You can do it all in one day. So plan for one day for the trip out of your three.
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Judy - the links in post # 6 mentioning information for change of trains to Pompeii - none of those links work.
On Trip Advisor - there are some very, very specific threads on their forums for guidelines and options to get to Pompeii from Rome and they are updated regularly.
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Not judging on the efficacy of doing a trip it is an easy if long day trip from Rome on your own. Take a fast train Rome to Naples - about 1.5 hours or less I think each way then at Naples station follow signs to CircumVesuviana trains - a commuter train that goes very often right to the Pompeii Scavi (ruins) train station - you do not want to go to Pompeii - the modern town with the Pompeii train station but right on the CircumVesuviana train to Pompeii Scavi station - right at the entrance to the ruins.
You always have to change at Naples - the commuter train is not part of Trenitalia system - just buy a ticket for that once at the CircumVesuviana station, adjacent to Naples Centrale - the main Naples station - it's about a 5-minute walk on walkways connecting the main station to the CircumVesuviana state - the ticket to Pompeii from there is just a few euros each way - it's like a metro.
Now for the Rome to Naples trains you can always buy full fare but if you book on www.trenitalia.com yourself far enough in advance you can get the limited in number discounted tickets at a deep discount over full price - leave a lot of time for your return train and if you find you have a few hours to wait after all wander around Naples a little - the train without reservations mentioned above takes forever and is a dumpy regional train compared to the modern high-speed trains on that route.
Great info on Italian trains: www.seat61.com - tells all about discounted tickets; www.budgeteuropetravel.com and www.ricksteves.com. First class ducats also come in discounted forms and if the price of a first-class ticket is not much more than the cheapest available 2nd class fare go for first class - which is IME much more relaxed - 2nd class is nice enough for most but first class much nicer - you even get a free coffee and snack and Italian newspaper en route at your seat.
As for Pompeii 3-4 hours is IME more than enough to see the site - could be less and of course could be more - you can get guided tours at the entrance office and ticket window.
So Pompeii is a fairly easy day trip from Rome though it may take up to 3 hours each way to the Pompeii-Scavi station and ruins. But you only may be in this part of Italy once... the train trip could be interesting too if you've never taken European trains!
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Blueeyedcod - thanks, you're awesome!
PalenQ - thank you for the detailed information. I was considering doing a one-day tour, but so far I haven't found any tours that I like and most have mediocre reviews.
My kids want to hike Mt. Vesuvius - they're very outdoorsy types - I will sit at a cafe somewhere while they hike.
Doesn't look like there are any tours available that include a hike up the mountain. Is there?
A work colleague told me that the local train from Naples to Pompeii is swarming with pickpockets - truth?
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I don't know that swarming is correct, but I'd certainly keep my wits about me.
In Rome, the bus from Termini to the Vatican (no 64) is more of a worry and is often referred to as 'the pickpocket express'.
FWIW I agree with the poster who suggested Ostia Antica as an alternative to Pompeii. We have been to both. It's a 30 min train ride from Rome and is just as interesting.
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Judy - there are shuttle buses called Vesuvio Express - they leave from Ercolao Station. They cost 20 euro per person and that includes entry to the park. They are pretty basic - the mini buses are not flash but they do the job.
The buses drop you at a bus bay/parking lot and the hike to the summit/crater is about 90 minutes there and back.
You may want to go too as it's not that difficult although the path can be a bit loose underfoot as it is gravelly cinder (and don't wear white shoes as they will turn black)
There is a tiny cafe at the start of the path - again it's not that great but you can't get a bad coffee in Naples.
'swarming with pickpockets' - I have heard that so many times. It's not true - you just need to be mindful of your belongings as on any crowded train service.
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It is important if you read the trip report from the Mom with her daughter and how successful the trip to Pompeii was, the trip took place in -
April, not August!
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And as PalenQ says - mom and daughter took a regional train - which is quite mystifying as if you want to see Pompeii as a day trip. They were clearly on a budget and being spontaneous.
It makes sense to use the high speed rail as you get to Naples in 1hr 10 min and have allocated seats. Being organised is the key if you are on a budget - buy tickets in advance and you can get them for as low as 9 euro one way. Use the link PalenQ provided.
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Thank you!
I would be OK going to Ostia Antica.....however, my son and GF want to see Pompeii and Mt. Vesuvius....and since we don't know when we will pass this way again, we're going to do Pompeii.
Glad to hear that the local train is not as bad as advertised. I worked in NYC for 20 years and the key to not being pick pocketed is to just remain aware of your surroundings and be mindful of where you're headed.
I will look into that mother/daughter trip report and get on target to buy tickets now instead of later.
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Just be aware of the weather in midsummer. In both places it will be hellishly hot and there is no shade. Be sure everyone stays hydrated - bring your own water with you and if after Pompeii they find Vesuvius too much they should not push for it.
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A work colleague told me that the local train from Naples to Pompeii is swarming with pickpockets - truth?>
Well several years ago there were U S embassy warnings about that but I think if you know there is a potential problem - whether there is or not - is key - just watch your bags and belongings - have them right next to you.
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Nytraveler - Judy and her family are going in October. Pompeii does have shade. Some of the structures are covered, such as the Stabian baths, the Forum Baths, the Fullery - and there are lots of tall trees down at the amphitheatre. The recently re-opened Palestra has a covered portico.
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Since it's a day trip from Rome, we won't have any luggage with us. Bonus.
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Actually, we are traveling at the end of March.
I think we initially thought about October (in a different thread) but because of work schedules, we'll be in Italy from March 27 to April 6.
nytraveler - my kids are determined to climb up the mountain. I might not be as adventurous.....I believe Blueeyedcod said there's a cafe at the bottom of the mountain. That's where I might park my weary bones.
I'm looking at the 8am fast train out of Rome, that should get us to Pompeii around 11, I think.
We might not head back to Rome until rather late, I think there's a famous pizzeria in Naples we want to check out, maybe for dinner?
Has anyone heard of it, might know what it's called?
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Judy the cafe on Vesuvius is near the top - the road takes you 3/4 of the way up and its a 45 minute walk to the cone/crater.
For pizza in Naples - there are so many! Da Michele is open all day and although it has just two choices - marinara and Margherita- it is simply unforgettable - they've been in business since the 1890s and run my the same family. Also walking distance from Napoli Centrale.
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I bet that's the pizzeria I've been told about! Thank you!
I'm pretty mobile....DH not so much, I imagine we will definitely make it to the top of the mountain, but it's good to know there's a place to stop should he decide not to go all the way to the crater.
I'm kind of all over the place regarding booking trains and lodgings because we are splitting up after a week (my kids go home, DH and I travel to the AC for a few days). I hope the chaos subsides once I've booked everything! I'm starting to lose track of what I'm doing!
Regarding Pompeii, what's the best approach -- should we first go to Vesuvius (is that a different stop on the regional train from Naples?) and then go to Pompeii?
You are a great resource, I really appreciate how much you've shared your knowledge with me, as have others. I always rely on the personal experiences that are shared on this forum for every trip I've taken since 2010.
I've also hijacked this thread from the original OP, maybe I should start a new thread?
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blueuedcod answers the question about Vesuvius - Ercolo stop (I assume Ercoloa was a typo?) on the same commuter rail line to Sorrento - Ercolo is also where the ruins of ancient Ercolo - Heraculeum - are - so if the kids mentioned above want to trek to the crater the mum can visit these ruins - which though not nearly as impressive as Pompeii - they are in a deep pit and much smaller - nevertheless are neat.
I've done the Vesuivus crater and it is an AWESOME - totally AWESOME site - I recall climb though cinders where you walk two feet forward and slip one food back - don't wear shoes that may be ruined quickly by those rough pumice rocks.
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Pictures of the crater viewing area and access shows a paved trail - my trek thru the lava rocks may no longer be needed from where the mini-bus drops you off?
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Hi Judy and PalenQ
This image taken from PalenQ's link above shows the path exactly as it is. There are some stairs but not many - it is generally an uphill slog that looks like this with a wooden handrail. There is also a tiny cafe right at the crater too, Judy, if you decide to walk up.
Excuse my typo - to take the Vesuvius Express bus you get off at Ercolano station. Here is the timetable
You hop on at Napoli Garibaldi and off at Erclano Scavi (8 stops). Then, after your Vesuvius trek, the bus will take you back to this station and as Palen Q says, you continue on to Pompeii S.Villa.Misteri - this is your stop for the Pompeii site.
I would keep the family together for the Vesuvius visit as it takes a while- about 2-3 hours. The ride on the bus from the train to the top of the mountain is quite eerie. There are many deserted and shut down hotels and restaurants on the road up Vesuvius - it looks like the zombie apocalypse has passed through
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In terms of order I would go to Vesuvius first thing - as later in the day the view can become hazy. That's one thing I haven't mentioned - the view over the Bay of Naples is simply breathtaking.
If your day is cloudy and/or raining, skip Vesuvius altogether as the summit gets fogged and very misty. It is difficult to see and your view will be obscured - you won't see inside the crater either.
Please dress warmly as March will be very cold up the top.
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I don't believe anyone has pointed out that this original thread is 4 years old.
Of course the links don't work and the OP won't care about hijacking at this point.
Judy, I believe your son and his GF are old enough to do this on their own if you don't want to go just to sit in a cafe. Correct?
I've visited Pompeii twice and spent many hours there but never as a day trip. Vesuvius has held no interest for me. Have you ever seen an erupting volcano? Now that's exciting. A dormant one? Not so much....actually a HUGE yawn. Since you are going in March the weather for climbing it shouldn't be too bad. I would never consider doing it in the hotter months.
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Dayle - maybe a yawn for you but the view from the top is as much a drawcard as being on the summit of a volcano. Sure it's dormant but it is still active - there are fissures of steam inside the cone and evidence from the last eruption in the 1940s is clear from the track. It's not that easy to get to the top of a lot of volcanoes and there are not that many around - I believe one on the US mainland in Washington state - and getting to the top of Mt. St Helens is for serious hikers. Anyone can walk to the top of Vesuvius - I have even seen people walk this path in heels (not recommended, lol).
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So it's the same regional train for Pompeii and Vesuvius?
And yes, I did see this thread was years old. I had to go that far back to find this exact topic!
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Yes Judy - same train line. A rickety little commuter service with hard plastic seats but it does the job
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This is probably a dumb question, but from Naples train station, do I purchase r/t tickets to Pompeii but get off at Erclano then back on again?
Or do I need to purchase separate tickets for each?
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No such thing as a dumb question, Judy! The Campania public transportation system no longer does day tickets (which is a bummer) nor can you get return tickets.
Your train tickets for this service to Ercolano and Pompeii are single use and valid for 90 minutes from the point of validation (they are 'validated'/time stamped) when inserted into the automatic barriers at Garibaldi station.
As you will be off in Ercolano for longer than 90 minutes, you will need another ticket to continue on to Pompeii.
It's not the drama that it seems - buy all your tickets at once at Garibaldi's ticket office. If there are four of you, you will 12 tickets. Four x Ercolano, Four x Pompeii, then four x the return trip to Garibaldi. They are not 'live' until they are validated/time stamped at the platform before you board the train.
The bonus is - it is really, really cheap to use this train. It's about 4 euro per ticket.
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Speaking of validating tickets - I've purchased several train tickets (Venice/Rome, Rome/Naples, Rome/Venice <for my kids> )....and I understand that the tickets need to be validated, however, what was emailed to me is a .pdf file showing the details of my purchase, including the PNR code, etc., but....how do I obtain the actual individual tickets?
Or, is the confirmation/reservation details sent to me the official ticket?
I guess I'm getting confused on how to validate the tickets using the email I received. Do I get the tickets at the train station from a ticket machine or something similar?
In NYC - and I was a commuter for over 20 years - the train porter punches a hole in a day ticket to validate it, but it seems that in Italy the process is different?
Perhaps another dumb question....LOL
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Judy - You don't need to validate the high speed rail tickets that come with the PNR code. You have reserved seating for those.Your email is all you need and the Trenitalia staff will come by with their scanner gadget, scan the ticket and off they go.
It's just local trains that need validation. Say you're going Florence to Pisa - you would need to validate your ticket. Also any time you take a bus - or a vaporetto in Venice. Many tourists get caught out and heavily fined because they assume buying a ticket means they can ride.
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Ah.....got it!
Train tickets I buy to Pompeii will require validation, right?
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Yes - at Garibaldi you will validate them automatically as you need to insert them into barriers/turnstiles that spring open to allow you to pass.
At Ercolando and Pompeii, you need to locate the validation box, which is usually on or just before the platform. From memory, Ercolano also has turnstiles that validate your ticket but I haven't been to the station since late 2014 so things may be different now.
Judy - one way to circumvent all of this is to hire a car service for the day, if you can afford it. They will pick you up at Naples, drive you up to Vesuvius, wait for you, drive you to Pompeii, wait for you and drive you back to Naples via a great pizza place. This service would cost 300 euro for the day but when you add up four of you taking the Vesuvio express bus, that is 80 euro alone. It's something to think about - and it saves time as there are only two trains per hour on the line to Pompeii.
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Can you make a recommendation for car service?
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There are so many in the region. I've used these companies for work related travel and highly recommend them. There are many others as well. I guess send an email asking for a quote but they should all come in at around 300-350 euro for the day.
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Thanks for the links, I'll look into it, but I think that price point is a little steep.
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To see Vesuvius and Pompeii in a day from Rome we've done both private car from Rome and a very well organized tour from Rome. Both worked out to be most excellent days. Well worth the investment and expense. In my experience I suggest that planning to visit both in one day by public transport is a setup for failure.
In March you'll have limited day light. Professionals who arrange the tour direct from Rome to Vesuvius, break for lunch, then on to Pompeii, and return to Rome require 13 hours. This is with direct transportation.
Trying to do this trip by public transport etc. will easily add 2 to 3 hours.
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I already purchased the first leg of train tickets (Rome to Naples). They're non-refundable tickets.
Do these car services provide the same excursion starting in Naples?
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Yes Judy - the prices I gave you are to and from Napoli Centrale - the main station.
From Rome you're looking at around 700 euro.
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Thank you!
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Do these car services provide the same excursion starting in Naples?>
Not sure but would be shocked if they did not - check the Naples' tourist information web site or re-post with that in the title?
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PalenQ - yes I said that these car service prices are from points out of Naples - the train station is the usual pickup point but if you're in a hotel, they pick up there and charge the same rate.
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Mr. DURBIN. I am aware of the fact they reviewed it, but I am also aware of the fact this has not been made public as part of this conversation and part of this record.
Mr. SPECTER. Mr. President, with all due respect, the issue isn't whether it has been made public, the issue is whether it is in existence, and the issue beyond being in existence is whether it is available to Members who have to vote on the bill. So when the Senator from Illinois asserts that you don't know who is making contributions, it is simply not so.
The issue of confidentiality is true. It has been raised by the companies because they are concerned that if it is disclosed how much they have contributed or are proposing to contribute that they may be targets for more litigation.
I don't wish to interrupt the Senator from Illinois further. I simply wish to make the point that he is wrong when he says we don't know who is going to contribute the money, and his own staffer has taken a look at the list.
Mr. DURBIN. Let me respond, if I may. Why is this cloaked in secrecy? Why is this a secret conversation? How can we have confidence that the $140 billion figure has any validity? How can we have confidence that the businesses that will be called on are going to be able to contribute to this fund if this is cloaked in secrecy and confidentiality? Most of these lawsuits are open, public record. It is hard for me to imagine that a business is going to be sued because someone has identified them as a potential contributor to this trust fund.
Nevertheless, if we are expected to replace the court system in America with this new trust fund system, how can we do it with any confidence if all the information is not on the table? Why the secrecy? What are we concealing? What we are concealing, frankly, is the most controversial elements of this bill: a question of whether $140 billion will actually pay the victims--and I doubt that it will--a question of whether companies are going to be asked to pay into this trust fund who shouldn't be asked to pay into the trust fund and, subsequently, may be forced into bankruptcy, closing their doors because of it. These are questions of great moment. To say a staff person can have access to secret files in an office hardly gives any comfort in the midst of a public debate about an issue of this magnitude.
Mr. SPECTER. Mr. President, will the Senator from Illinois yield further?
Mr. DURBIN. I will yield for a question.
Mr. SPECTER. Is the Senator from Illinois aware, putting it in the form of a question, that he has made a shift in positions, first asserting that we don't know who is going to contribute the money, then finding out that we do know who is going to contribute the money, that, in fact, his staffer has looked at that list, and he is now raising a different issue as to what is the need for secrecy?
That is not the point about which I raised the question. When he talks about litigation, there are many confidential matters in litigation which remain confidential on a showing of cause. So my question to the Senator from Illinois is, does he realize that he has shifted his position from objecting to the status where nobody knows who is contributing, changing to why the reason for the secrecy?
Mr. DURBIN. I say to the Senator from
Mr. SPECTER. As a couple of experienced trial lawyers and debaters, or at least he is an experienced trial lawyer and debater.
Mr. DURBIN. As the Senator from Pennsylvania is as well. In response, unless and until we put this information out to be reviewed in a comprehensive and honest way, I don't believe we can stand before the American people and say this is a good replacement for the courts of America.
Let me tell the Senator what happened. A member of my staff was invited to the Senator's office to view the secret list. He was warned ahead of time not to take any notes, not to make any copies, and not to disclose the nature and substance of the secret list because they were treated as committee confidential. My staffer went to view the list and reported to me the information wasn't very helpful in answering the most basic questions about the companies, their liability, and, of course, the impact on each company and whether they can survive the contributions to the trust fund.
Under the committee confidential rule the chairman has imposed on all staff members reviewing this list, I am not sure I can say much more about this secret list on the floor, but I will say this is a highly unusual process to have secret lists, secret information, and confidentiality, when we are literally talking about people's lives and health. I don't think the Senator can come forward and meet his burden of proof, to go back to the language of trial lawyers, that we should replace the court system in America based on secret lists kept in his office. That strikes me as a far cry from the kind of public debate which we should invite for this bill.
Mr. SPECTER. Mr. President, will the Senator yield further for a question?
Mr. DURBIN. I have been more than happy to yield, and I will continue to yield.
Mr. SPECTER. How can the Senator call it a secret list when it is available for his inspection?
Mr. DURBIN. I say to the Senator, when he makes it available for the inspection of all Members and the American people, it is no longer a secret list. Mr. President, is the Senator prepared to do that? That is my question, without yielding the floor to the Senator.
Mr. SPECTER. I will review the matter with the view to see if we can make it public. I am open to any modification which is reasonable. I am not bound by any protocol, and I will go back to the providers of the list to see if it can be made available. But when the Senator from Illinois asserts that it is secret, he is simply wrong. It is not secret. He can look at it. I think he raises a good point when he says that nobody can make a copy of it.
Offhand, on horseback, on one foot, I think staffers should be able to make a copy of it. Take the copy and show it to the Senator. I think that is reasonable, with the agreement of the staffer and the Senator that if we decide to retain the confidentiality, they will respect that. I trust Senator Durbin and I trust his staff to honor confidentiality if we stick with it.
As I say, I will review that as well. But Senator Durbin has to make a decision. I am sure Senator Durbin has an open mind on this question. Now that I reflect on it, I am not so sure he does have an open mind on this question, and he doesn't have to have an open mind on this question. I think he raises a good point when he says we ought to know who contributes the money. I raised hell to get the information and finally had to raise a subpoena to get the information. We have it so that it is available for those who have to make a decision.
When he carries the point further that he would like to see it made public, if I can accommodate that, I will.
Mr. DURBIN. I was happy to yield again to the Senator, whom I respect very much. I tell him, for the record, on May 25 of last year, we sent a letter to him about Goldman Sachs, asking that we have some information about the $140 billion figure, how it was arrived at, and how it will be paid for. So this is not the first time this issue has come up.
It is curious to me that we are writing a bill that is going to change the laws of all the States of America, and if we are going to close those courtrooms across America. Yet the Senator from Pennsylvania had to issue a subpoena to obtain a list of the names of the companies that are going to contribute to the trust fund. This is a very strange process.
Usually, legislation emanates from within Congress and affects the outside world. It appears that the secret list at issue emanated from the outside and whoever created it wasn't anxious to share it. So if there is skepticism by those of us critical of the bill, I think there is good reason.
We never received a reply to our May letter of last year. It is an indication to me that this whole process has been very unusual and very different from any process I have seen.
Somewhere, someone has come up with a number as to how much we need to compensate these victims, and someone has come up with a source on how that number will be arrived at, and the chairman had to go to the lengths of subpoenaing the information that was the basis for this bill that will affect hundreds of thousands of Americans and their lives.
Mr. SPECTER. Mr. President, will the Senator will yield further?
Mr. DURBIN. I will be happy to yield.
Mr. SPECTER. When he says I haven't responded to his letter, I have responded to his letter by getting him the information. The Senator from Illinois is diligent, resourceful, and raises lots of questions. I would challenge him to say I haven't responded to all of them.
Mr. DURBIN. I say to the chairman, he is the
most responsive Member I can think of, and I thank him for his service and friendship. I have shared with him my concerns on this issue, and he has gone so far as to issue a subpoena.
The point I wanted to make to the chairman is raising this issue was not sua sponte. I started asking this question long ago as to why we couldn't get the most fundamental----
Mr. SPECTER. Parliamentary inquiry: Does sua sponte apply to this discussion? I withdraw the parliamentary inquiry.
When the Senator from Illinois says the chairman had to issue a subpoena, I consider it a compliment. I have had to deal with stakeholders on all sides who have been recalcitrant. We haven't--I, we, Senator Leahy and I--haven't left any stone unturned. If people who want this bill and are obligated to provide money won't give the information I want, if they are for the bill and they are for the position I am sponsoring, I am going to get tough about it. I am going to get a subpoena so that Senator Durbin knows what is going on, and I think the American people, through their elected representatives, will know what is going on.
Does the Senator want me to yield? If I can get wider distribution, I will.
Mr. SPECTER. Madam President, will the Senator from Illinois yield for a question?
Mr. DURBIN. After I finish my sentence, I will yield. I concede this bill is a clash of special-interest titans on both sides. I think proponents of the bill have invested a lot more in its passage than those who oppose it. Maybe we will never know the true figures, but the interesting thing is that the first bill of this Senate session is not a bill to address the Medicare prescription drug crisis, it is not a bill to provide affordable, accessible health care to Americans, it is not a bill to deal with the energy crisis and the heating bills that are killing us in the Midwest and the Northeast, it is not a bill to deal with pension security for workers who are losing a lifetime of pension investment to a merger or a bankruptcy or corporate sleight of hand. It is a bill that is brought by lobby groups and special interests that have invested tens of millions of dollars trying to force this issue and bring this matter before us on the Senate floor.
Mr. SPECTER. Madam President, parliamentary inquiry: Has the Senator from Illinois finished that sentence?
Mr. DURBIN. I just finished. That was a period.
Mr. SPECTER. There are a lot of semicolons in that sentence, then.
Mr. DURBIN. I am not yielding the floor unless the Senator wishes to ask a question. Then I will be happy to yield.
Mr. SPECTER. There is a lot of competition for the floor. There are three of us on the floor. A lot of competition for it.
When the Senator from Illinois talks about special interest groups, there are others involved in this legislation and they are the victims. They are thousands, tens of thousands of victims who are suffering deadly diseases. Those are the people about whom this Senator is concerned.
Yesterday I put into the RECORD an article from the front page of the Hill about $3 million being spent by lobbyists to defeat this bill. Today the New York Times has a detailed story about how much money is being spent to defeat this bill.
It is true there are some who want this bill--the manufacturers and some insurance companies. But the people who really want this bill are the victims.
I take just a little umbrage at one sentence, one statement made by the Senator from Illinois when he says that because I have to subpoena material, it raises a question about who is writing the bill, that somebody else is writing the bill.
Let me assure you, Madam President, and anybody who may be watching on C-SPAN--if we had anybody, we lost them a long time ago--no special interest has written this bill. It is a non sequitur. I have to respond in some way to sua sponte. It is a non sequitur to say that because it was necessary to subpoena information that somebody else wrote the bill.
Mr. DURBIN. Without yielding the floor, would the Senator please tell us what Government agency he subpoenaed for the information to produce the secret list?
Mr. SPECTER. I will be glad to respond. I didn't subpoena any governmental agency. We subpoenaed the companies who were obligated to provide the money.
Mr. DURBIN. Without yielding the floor, would the Senator please state for the RECORD the names of the nongovernment agencies, private companies he had to subpoena to understand the underlying basis for this trust fund and how $140 billion was arrived at?
Mr. SPECTER. I didn't have to subpoena anybody to understand the underlying basis for this bill. This is my bill. I understood it when I thought it through and when I wrote it. Will I provide the names of those who are to be contributors? I do not have them at my disposal, and I certainly don't have them in my mind. But the staffer from the Senator from Illinois has already seen them and I would be glad to personally take the Senator from Illinois to look at the list.


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Second Degree Murder is typically known as "depraved mind" murder. This charge requires that the killing be "perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life." This is much more of a spur-of-the-moment killing, merely requiring that a person intended to commit an act that was likely to cause death and did not care whether death was the result of his or her act. Second Degree Murder is a first-degree felony and carries a potential sentence of life in prison.
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The Pakistan-based Afghan Islamic Press (news agency) says the Taleban pulled out of Uruzgan without a fight.
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Much to the chagrin of Free Body Culture (FKK) enthusiasts who have been stripping off their clothing on beaches and parks since the early 1900s, a cold wind has been blowing across Germany for nudists and their numbers are steadily dwindling.
"German society is changing and it's not easy to be a naturist anymore," said Kurt Fischer, president of the German FKK association (DFK). There are some 500,000 registered nudists and a total of seven million Germans sunbathe naked regularly. . . .
The main problem is the shrinking population, Fischer said.
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