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(Dinar Recaps Note: This post is for informational purposes only. It is not legal, tax or investment advice. Dinar Recaps advises that everyone should do their own due diligence and seek local Professional tax, legal and/or investment advisers.) This is a Recaps repost from our earlier days 12-22-11
Dear Dinar Enthusiasts,
I hope all these juicy Legal Treats serve to assist you and ease some questions you may have.
The comments found herein are from an Attorney who is one of my Dinar Update newsletter recipients that has practiced law in the areas we all need to investigate with our IQD investments.
This Attorney has requested that I not share his name or contact details, as he is simply providing all this to be of assistance to us all out of the goodness of his heart, and without charge - He further stated that he can not take on any clients via this channel (through me) as that would go against his code of ethics.
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In a Dinar Update email I sent out last week I directed my readers to contact and hire a Tax Lawyer/CPA and Financial Planner to obtain advice to do with their IQD holdings, and this Attorney being a member of our group simply took it upon himself to write back to me with the following, after which I replied with my questions in another email, which you will find below with his response to everything I had asked... enjoy.
Attorney Writes: Ken, There is really no simple way to avoid the taxes. I am going to give you the basic law on this stuff.
A 501 C 3 is a Charitable Public Foundation, you loose absolute control over this and the monies have to be used for charitable purposes. While you can draw a salary a "reasonable salary" it is not a piggy bank and in the end the proceeds stay in the charity when you die and do not go to your family
Moreover it takes a good 8 months or so to set one up. I have done several never seen one done quickly. The last one for a Public Foundation for a U.S. Navy Ship that I was asked to do.
Usually a foundation is set up to raise money for the christening and to afterwards raise money for the ship for various things. Anyway that was an ordeal even though it was for a U.S. Naval Ship.
There is no kind of family trust that gets rid of income tax. There are Charitable Trusts called Charitable Remainder Unitrusts and Charitable Remainder Annuity Trusts.
If a person puts all their currency into the trust the Trust then can make the exchange tax free and does not pay tax.
However it has beneficiaries. Again these are very complicated to set up. There are a whole lot tables used to calculate values and how much one can receive as a beneficiary and the beneficiary can only take so much as you cannot jeopardize the principal in the trust and the beneficiary has to pay income taxes on the monies received.
If the beneficiaries could possibly live too long then it makes it more complicated. Again after the beneficiaries die and they must be from the same generation which means your kids and grand kids are left out, the monies must go to a 501 C 3.
I assure you the IRS is very strict about this and the office that handles all of these things is in Baltimore. These are complicated trusts they are not a magic bullet.
The Trustee is scrutinized yearly and has to make reports keep minutes and there is a whole lot of book-keeping etc.
These are things you have to really think about because once you let go the money it can never come back to you meaning change ownership again.
A revocable living trust that is the only thing I know that goes by the name Family Trust. And a Family trust is "you" it has your tax id number your social security number the taxes pass straight to you again this is an estate planning device not a tax planning device.
If you get a separate tax number then you risk it being taxed as a trust at the highest rate. All RLTs are good for is for Estate Planning Purposes.
I think they are great tools and I highly recommend them but not for something like this.
Anyway just wanted you all to know the facts. I used to do these every month.
I am not saying they are bad things, they are good when used certain ways in a planned structure and they can help alleviate federal gift taxes, but using them to get rid of income taxes yeah you do but the monies are not yours anymore.
Your public foundation has to have a Board and that board may not vote you the monies you want all the time.
I recommend folks get a CPA to calculate the income taxes. Put those monies in a A) account in a Private Bank of a huge Public Bank have that bank invest in municipal bonds the interest earned is income tax free have those monies paid over to a B) account which is where the balance of your monies are and then live off the interest.
Have a money market account set up beside your two accounts so you can take quarterly draws from account B. Whenever you go to pay your taxes you will have the monies in Account A to pay the tax but in the meantime it is paying tax free interest over to Account B.
Account B is invested the same way in muni-bonds. You want to know the biggest player in the DFW area who pays hardly any taxes at all and has income exceeding 100,000,000 million a year in interest from muni-bonds?
Ross Perot. This is how the big boys do it.
There is nothing wrong with taking some monies out to do whatever you want with, but the biggest thing is that most people who come into lots of money that have never had money tend to blow it inside 60 months. This is a proven fact. Hence the reason for my recommendations.
Any major bank has a Private Banking Arm. Ken there in Texas, Bank of Texas has a private bank in Ft. Worth and Dallas. Chase has one, B of A, you just need to check with your bank.
Anyway those are my thoughts. I have kept silent as I am working for other clients but I hate to see people get hurt. I hope this helps you some and I hope with all my heart that this comes to fruition for everyone involved.
Ken Writes: Thank you so very much for stepping up to the plate to help with your experience and knowledge!
Attorney Writes: Ken again, I have been out here biting my tongue and swallowing blood. I have a vested interest in this happening and I was engaged by some very kind and thoughtful folks.
For years all I did as a part of my regular practice was what I called "Structural Planning" which took in (Estate & Business Planning) and I later drifted in a big way into International Planning.
So I am not short of experience did it all for over 15 years. Too many clients told me I was too nice to be an Attorney, as I do not have those bassmaster qualities of most.
I think it is an attorney's job to educate the general public and from a Christian standpoint we all have stewardship responsibilities, which is as far as I am concerned most paramount. I will not get preachy but at least you will understand my perspective.
Ken Writes: Our Tax Attorney/CPA originally said that the Trust was something we should consider because we talked with him about our 3 grandkids, but he seemed more concerned about protecting the monies from law suits... from anyone that would try to come at us down the road knowing we had monies they could potentially come after.
Attorney Writes: Again Charitable Trusts are wonderful planning vehicles and I did not go too deep into it when I last wrote you. They can shield an income source from lawsuits but the flip side is you loose ownership of the assets and the assets must produce income.
Ken they are nice tools and I had fun doing the work. I also had a staff to help me. We had software to generate the logithrums that looked at the life expectancy of single and dual owners and sometimes I had wealthy clients who had kids they could not trust and I would set up a 3 or 4 life Unitrust.
If the kids were young it would cause all sorts of issues because the Trust themselves base everything on a set of tables distributed by the IRS and longevity tables in the calculations.
I hardly ever set up a Charitable Annuity Trust because they only work in certain situations. There are times when putting both a CRUT and a CRAT in an effective Revocable Living Trust that can almost kill all Federal Estate Tax.
One of them will kill almost 47% and then you bring the other one to the table and it wipes the slate clean. Again those these are basically used as Estate Planning devices.
I have used a CRUT before in helping a family transfer a family owned business with a low basis to a younger generation very complicated and very expensive. One caveat here.
CPA's do not give you privilege between yourself and the IRS. They will say otherwise but they do not have privilege. A tax attorney though the privilege is solid. They cannot make an attorney divulge information about you or conversations you have had with them. I would go through a tax attorney that is my advice.
Ken Writes: When we explained that there were no such reasons for any suits being filed against us, at least not anything legitimate that we would loose to, he backed off the Trust end of things and went in the direction to simply help us with the accounting and our tax filings and investment strategies after that.
I am finding it a struggle to ask you for anything further about all of this as you have already provided so much, but being who I am... nothing ventured nothing gained... could you share a little about any value to putting IQD into an LLC or Corp?
Attorney Writes: This is what I told my clients. The reality Ken is that it does not make that big a difference. The U.S. Government knows who owns IQD. The taxes are not going to change.
The taxes are based upon the domicile of the Members of the LLC. Remember an LLC "Limited Liability Company" is simply a pass through vehicle as far as the IRS is concerned.
The main purpose of an LLC is to provide Liability protection for its members in case the enterprise that it is conducting should bring forth a lawsuit.
Then each Member is protected if they have maintained faithfully the mechanisms within the structure and followed all protocol. Then courts are reluctant to pierce the corporate veil and go after the Members individually.
It is somewhat analogous to a S-Corporation where the owners are called Shareholders. Same principles apply, accept that S-Corporations have certain limits on who a shareholder can be, they can only make a certain amount of money a year before they can be switched back to a regular
C-Corp. Let me just say this there are a lot of rules with S-Corporations whereas with Limited Liability Companies if you can create it you can do just about anything.
However they cannot kill any taxes. Even if a person had a Nevada LLC or a Wyoming LLC, two very good jurisdictions. The LLC is a pass-thru and the Members are taxed where they are domiciled.
If you are fortunate to live in a state where there are no income taxes then you are blessed. You cannot kill the state income tax by simply forming an LLC and running the exchange through the LLC. It is where you live that is what determines the state tax status.
Let me give you an example of how I would use an LLC.
Let me say one of my clients wanted to invest monies in one of your investments you are encouraging. I would then suggest they place their investment dollars through an LLC to the investment.
That would give them limited liability as to the venture. I would even suggest they confect a note from themselves to that LLC, as it would give them more options later down the road in regards to that LLC.
If a person who gains wealth from the exchange wants to start a business, a coffee shop, open a UPS Store anything then loaning money to an LLC that then does the business is a good thing.
It protects you from lawsuits. Taxes though all profits flow through, however the LLC has the power to take deductions and other things an individual cannot take so operating a business through an LLC is highly advisable. Look at how most law firms and physician offices are structured. They are in LLCs.
The answer to your question, is that no one really gains an advantage at this point by putting their IQD through an LLC
Ken Writes: This would only delay the taxes due is how I understand it... and a Corporation would not be advisable at all, although I do not know why...
Attorney Writes: The reason why is that Corporations are double taxed. There are only two ways monies flow out of a regular corporation. One is through dividends and the other is through salaries. The corporation is taxed on both.
Ken Writes: So we should just do what we have planned on... exchange the IQD in our personal noninterest-bearing checking account, and deal with the taxes from that point forward?
Attorney Writes: Ken I am not sure on the non-interest bearing checking account. Not sure why that has been advised. I would go back to the source on that information and ask them.
Ken Writes: Noninterest-bearing accounts are FDIC insured on the entire balance in the account, up until December 31, 2012 that is. All other accounts that do bear interest on balances are only FDIC insured up to $250,000.00 –
That's the reason for utilizing a noninterest-bearing checking account... many will have a balance well past $250K if the IQD revalues at the levels we're all expecting to see.
And of course this 'muni-bonds' you are speaking of sounds like what everyone should look into doing - I've never heard of this... is this something we would setup through someone the likes of yourself, a CPA, or through a financial planner? Are these muni-bonds something you would need to be hired to setup for Folks?
Attorney Writes: Ken, I do not sell Municipal Bonds. The concept behind Municipal bonds is important to know. Municipal Bonds are a creature of the state/government.
The U.S. government despite the idiots in Washington which is known as the Common Sense Free Zone wants to encourage the private financing of government projects. It is a good thing.
Often you will see what are called Bond Issues by local school boards, counties, cities and states to do a project. These Bonds are Municipal Bonds or Munis. To encourage investors to invest the Federal and State governments exempt the interest on these bonds from income taxes.
Amazing they understand this concept here but cannot apply to other things. Suffice to say the important thing is to select a good Financial Planner that has access or a good brokerage firm (Merrill Lynch, AG Edwards) or a good solid bank like Bank of Texas, or other large bank or you can go to a national bank like a Chase, Citi or Wells Fargo or US Bank
All these types of banks have Private Banking offices somewhere in large metropolitan areas. These are usually found on another floor or in separate buildings all together. You have to have money to get in so don't rush out and make an appointment yet.
However you need an appointment it is not the same as walking up to a teller. The Private Banking Divisions have brokers, accounts and investment advisors and they want solid banking customers because they want to develop a relationship with the customer.
They want to know your name and do your bidding. However you have to be here, "As wise as a serpent and as harmless as a dove"
I like Private Banking because I am the boss when I walk in the door. Secondly, you have to be wise.
You do not want to get in a brokerage situation where they are churning your account to simply generate fees so you have to pay attention to what they are doing.
Thirdly, today unfortunately there are some high-risk bonds you do not want your advisor, banker purchasing in my opinion. I would request them to avoid those governmental bodies that are not the highest.
For instance the state of California, New York, Illinois, the Cities of Detroit, Cleveland, Chicago these in my humble opinion are all bad risks because it is a foregone conclusion they are going to end up going bankrupt.
And if they have issued any bonds there is a high risk they may default on those bonds. So it is my opinion you need to go in with a good understanding and tell whomever I only want high grade municipal bonds. No risky bonds.
The interest rate is not high on municipal bonds. However you are going for safety and every dime you make in interest is non-taxable.
Again you are there in Texas. Look at Ross Perot and many others. They pay NO income tax because all their income is from municipal bonds. When you first make money before you invest sure you have to pay the tax, but after that then balance your approach and make sure you put enough away in municipals so that you have a growing nest egg.
There is nothing wrong with using some of it to put in everyday ventures, just know though that the profits from those ventures is taxable. It is all up to the individual.
When I told you in my previous email that most people who come into money who have never had money usually blow it in 60 months. That is true – usually these people have won a lawsuit, won a lottery or gained an inheritance.
Because they have never developed the discipline most wealthy older people have they end up blowing it all. I guess Ken at my ripe old age, I sort of look at it like this. Sure I am a risk taker, but the closer I get to eternity and more my love increases for my children and loved ones, the more I want to be a better steward of what God has given me.
So I think it is important for folks to study successful people, learn things they know, emulate their success, copy them. Change your way of thinking, become critical thinkers.
Ask hard questions and if you are in the driver's seat with the money you have a right to know so be hard, be tough, press your advantage. Be as wise as a serpent and as harmless as a dove.
When it is in your power to help someone help them but do not allow that person to take advantage of you. And when you give and I mean outright give then give with no strings attached. Anyway those are my ideas.
Ken Writes: Angel and I will be investigating this avenue today; I can at least assure you of that! I would also like to offer again if you would like or need some more clients - I can supply that for you with one (1) little email as I'm sure you are well aware.
Attorney Writes: Ken you are so thoughtful, and again I am impressed with your integrity and character. You are growing on me. However I must decline as I am working for already two clients who introduced you to me and out of courtesy to them it would be wrong to do otherwise.
However as I have above I do not mind being a sounding board. I will give you the straight facts and if I do not know the answer I will tell you straight up.
Ken Writes: If we see the r/v before 2012, do you recommend waiting to exchange notes until 2012? If I read into what you've said here correctly, it would make sense to wait until 2012 so we could have 12 to 15 months to work with all the set aside tax monies in muni-bonds...
Attorney Writes: We are so close now I do not see why not. However again the individual still can file an extension and have through August to pay his taxes if they cash in before the first. The way this going it may be the first regardless.
Ken Writes: I well understand that all this surrounds your occupation and that you normally charge for your services and advice, and certainly hold a huge respect for you sharing what you have here already, but like I said, I can in fact send you clients with the click of a mouse... Where do we go from here?
Ken Writes: Again you are growing on me. I guess I like a straight shooter and besides I am a big-hearted guy. I hate seeing people taken advantage of and for me it is about educating folks.
I have obtained the education the hard way. Sure I have the legal education and experience in practicing to know the rules, but I have made mistakes in my own life and so I have learned that sure I like turning over rocks but I also like being able to go the grocery store.
I think if everyone will realize for a moment – nothing we have really belongs to us. This past summer I learned that lesson coming close to death. I learned the most important things in life are your faith and what you believe and secondly the love of family and friends.
Everything else is worthless. So if you love your family realize God loans us assets and gives us an opportunity in life to show our good stewardship. If we are faithful he will reward us with more. Not necessarily monetary things but with more responsibility.
Ken Writes: Lastly, I ask of you your permission to post what you've written here to our group of Dinar Enthusiasts... it is apparent and obvious that you want to help others, otherwise you would not have taken the time to write all this up for me... I sure would like to be able to share this with our people - They are all wondering what to do...
Attorney Writes: I do not mind you posting it anonymously that would be best.
Ken Writes: WOW Attorney! My goodness...
You have helped a lot more than my words can express with all of this, and I am so very humbled to be the conduit to share your words to help others further past just myself. - Thank you so very much once again!
Attorney Writes: I hope this helps you some and I hope with all my heart that this (IQD) comes to fruition for everyone involved. I am and remain, With kindest regards, [The Odd Attorney]
Well there you have it... a wealth of legal advice and information that would normally cost you several hundred dollars to obtain. His signature is compiled with my words...
I called him [The Odd Attorney] because I've never met an Attorney that would provide so much time and advice at no cost.
I've posted this to the OKIE Forum so that the OOM Members can express their gratitude to this professional... as it's obvious to me that with the heart this man holds and his desire to help others...
I well know your notes of thanks posted to this thread will be more payment than he could have ever received in monetary form.
Folks, although the income that can be generated is rather low in my opinion compared to the other avenues of wealth generation available through smart investment planning, you can begin to learn more about these Muni-Bonds (Municipal Bonds) via Wikipedia at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Municipal_bond if you're so inclined.
In the end, diversity of investing and asset protection is what I have always looked to do and have advised on... - Never stick all your eggs in one basket ;-) Prosperous regards.
(Dinar Recaps Note: This post is for informational purposes only. It is not legal, tax or investment advice. Dinar Recaps advises that everyone do their own due diligence and seek local trustworthy, certified or licensed Professional tax, legal and/or investment advisers.)
Do offense, butttttt, until an RV pops we do not need to get excited. I believe well rounded financially responsible people will in fact be able to properly make the proper and intelligent decisions required to retain and to grow their new found wealth or additional wealth. Again the info is appreciated but I wonder how many really have a clue as to how to decipher the information into their personal life. I would predict only 5 to 8 percent would grip it to make a positive personal move.
8/5/2013 01:12:48 am
I appreciate the time taken to write this but the one question I have is how does any attorney know what the law will be at the moment of the rv. All advise is based on today's laws. The least we can do is give the people the information based off of "today" and attorney or not even they can't predict the future.
8/5/2013 01:27:17 am
Good info, even though it was given to us almost 2 years ago. Lets everyone know that even back then we thought we were close and look at how much we have learned since then.
8/5/2013 01:41:37 am
Aloha Ken,
8/5/2013 01:51:23 am
Thanks for the post....very enlightening! However, I'm a little confused as to the time line of this post...so it seems the info was given to you before 2012 or somewhere in there...we are now in 2013...was wondering why it was not posted earlier or perhaps it was and this is a repeat. Either way it was very interesting and did change my course of investment a little....appreciate you!!
8/5/2013 11:04:09 am
Was published May of 2012. I have this downloaded.
8/5/2013 02:00:38 am
Excellent post. This post makes it clear that taxes are unavoidable and reductions in taxes may have consequences that you may not intend.
8/5/2013 02:03:11 am
I cannot thank this overly generous in knowledge attorney enough. I am familiar with 501C-3's having founded one back in the 80's which is still in operation. It is just that. A charitable organization, with no salaries paid in our particular one. However, I have been attempting to research the various trusts and foundations, and this is by far the clearest, most concise information, spelled out in one simple to read document, and certainly backs up all of my research of hours upon hours and I concur with all that our [odd attorney] has advised. I appreciate the Christian leadership by example as much or more than the legal advise. Words can never express the gratitude I feel for your generous offerings of your wisdom and experience. May God Richly Bless you and yours.
8/5/2013 05:09:25 am
Ditto!!! God bless you Mr. Attorney, for stating plain and simple! And also for your time and valuable information! Tax laws may have changed, but this is all still good. Best thing for each of us to do is get educated... do our homework, research, ask questions.
8/5/2013 02:04:30 am
Thank You (odd Attorney) & Ken for sharing this. I too read and gasp at some of the advise that is given, this refreshing bit of truth is much needed.
one direction
8/5/2013 02:09:08 am
I have to disagree about there being no easy way to avoid paying tons of taxes. My accounting firm has a Tax Attorney and I asked him the easiest way to avoid paying as much tax as possible. This is just an example as I plan on having a very diverse portfolio. If you were to take every penny of what you exchange and invest in Gold & Silver, you will not pay a dime in taxes next April unless the 11% is deemed mandatory to be taken off the top of your Net Profit. My point is that the more you invest, the less you will have to pay. My plan is to invest as much as possible into Gold & Silver and not touch it until 2 Jan. 2014. After that I will diversify and get all my Profit working for me. By the end of 2014, if you have been in some good, high yield investments, you will have a very nice ROI that will be more than enough to cover ALL your owed taxes that will be due 15 April 2015. IMHO, don't worry about Gold taking a dive because it will be very short lived. It will bounce back and bounce back BIG TIME in a few short months. I am, by no means, an expert but I did seek out and find more than one that gave me this basic advice. Get as much of your Blessing working for you and making money instead of just holding onto it doing nothing. Please also do as I did and find a few trusted experts that can give you good advice and make sure they can answer any of your questions immediately without any long "Ums Erz" or "Let me get back to you on that." Any "so called expert" will be able to answer almost all of your questions without hesitation. Hope this will help some of you. Good Luck & God Bless
8/5/2013 07:24:18 am
One-Direction - I assume you were "presuming" that the RV will happen in 2013 since you stated you'll not touch your investment (gold and silver) until 2 Jan 2014. However, this investment has been going on for around 10 years (I believe) and so far NO RV even though it has been thought to be "within hours....days, etc.) I believe you were speaking as though if it would happen now, this is what you would do.
one direction
8/5/2013 11:13:59 am
Yes Sir Paul, that IS my presumption & of course I know how many times we have "supposedly" been very close. I honestly believe that it WILL POP within the next 10 days, that's why I gave the dates that I did and I don't mind paying a few Million in taxes but I will not pay any on at least 80 to 85% of my Net Profits that I will have safely invested. Sorry I didn't make myself more clear.
8/5/2013 02:28:40 am
Thank You so much , I have not had much schooling and have never been good at saving money , do to we feed the poor , and open are house to who ever needs a bed, always seemed selfish to save money for myself...... now I have no clue on what to do with my blessing ....Thank You for your help !!!!
8/5/2013 02:35:01 am
Some of this is outdated due to the sweeping tax changes for 2013. (ex. non interest bearing account info based on Dodd Frank Act is gone) We don't know how this is going to be taxed at this time.
8/5/2013 02:35:48 am
Great interview chalk full of simple, easy to understand information. Thanks for bringing this back. I remember it well.
8/5/2013 02:53:50 am
Good advice but I find it really depressing that we were that close to the RV or obviously thought we were AGAIN. That was 2 years ago.
8/5/2013 03:27:14 am
Once Again Everyone - THIS IS PROVIDED AS INFORMATION - NO ADVICE SHOULD BE TAKEN FROM THIS ARTICLE WITHOUT YOU DOING YOUR OWN RESEARCH!
Again just for clarification, everyone should educate themselves as much as possie and do d someone (or someones) whom they trust to help them in the areas of taxes and investing. That said, until we I ow exactly how this investment will be taxed, there really is only so much planning in the tax area that can be done. The rules can and very well may change regarding how this investment is taxed once the RV actually happens.
DC AsherRain
8/5/2013 03:55:06 am
THANK YOU!!!! This answered all my basic questions pertaining to corporations, trusts, LLC's in regards to the exchange. While I also plan to consult a tax attorney WHEN the RV happens (just in case new laws are rolled out in tandem with the exchange)...I think the basic premises will remain the same. I will not be getting creative to try to avoid paying the taxes. I have waited so many years for this blessing, I will not risk it just to save 10-15%.
I found this post to be extremely helpful in that it really guides us to better understand what questions we will need to be asking when the time comes. It also shows us what kind of questions a Tax Attorney will be educated in answering and guiding us through. These are some pretty muddy waters for so many of us and with thoughtful, guided posts such as this one I feel more confident in the direction I need to take in gathering a team of expert professionals to help our family. Thank you for reposting this!!
retired in thailand
8/5/2013 04:17:25 am
I am going to renounce my Canadian citizenship,and all my ties to Canada,and have a citizenship in a country like panama,belize,singapore,where I don't have to pay tax,and this is 100% legal,I am not going to pay my government millions of dollars just so they can squander it and misuse it like they always do,they have had 40 year of tax money,I am not that loyal to my country,I don't live there now,and don't intend to.
Canada Rocks
8/5/2013 07:34:06 am
Good riddance to you. People like you are not an asset to ANY country. You don't want to support a country in anyway at all except in living in your creature comforts. You don't appreciate living in a country FREE of war and what that costs. You don't want to pay to support global development, free medical care, equality, low crime, etc. and no matter what they are squandering your money and you will always be smarter and know better than everyone else so go hide and hoard your money till death do you part.
8/5/2013 11:05:57 am
Next time, CR, tell him how you really feel. :-)
8/5/2013 04:43:08 am
I would like to say thank u. THANK U, for your free consultation.
8/5/2013 04:47:59 am
OK, I have been a businessman for decades and at one time was a registered financial advisor. Tax-free munis are not a bad investment for most folks, especially if you do not have the stomach for anything that makes real money. However, don't be missled, munis can and usually do loose value and the interest they pay, although tax free, usually does not even keep up with inflation. You really need to average at least 5% after taxes to just stay even with inflation and that's if you don't spend any of it. Right now we have very low interest rates and the munis are also paying very low interest. When the interest rates increase the value of these low interest munis available today will decrease, they will be worth less to any buyer you may want to sell them too. Of course, if you hold them till they mature you will get the full face value back, but you may have paid more or less than face value.
I for one will take tgis information with a grain of salt. Like article states it is taken from the year 2011. Many tax changes since then. Please pay for an expert CPA Tax Planning or Tax Attny (a professional that is actively doing tax planning, and advising. CHEAP OR RETIRED SHOULD NOT BE SOMEONE YOU RETAIN!
8/5/2013 05:00:00 am
Big bubble in the municipal bond market. Make sure to do your homework.... Many Financial Advisers are required to offer bonds while fully knowing about this bubble. Like someone recently said, "All that glitters may not be gold". The bottom line... Educate yourself, do your research.
Sir have you been in touch with the Odd Attorney since this posting?
8/5/2013 08:31:34 am
Actually, now that Detroit is in Chap 9, if they do float bonds in the future as a way of raising capital, they will do so under the watchful eye of a bankruptcy judge and the scrutiny of thousands of creditors. At that point, they may be worth a look.
8/5/2013 06:07:14 am
Obviously, this guy doesn't get "out much" - does he?
8/5/2013 08:24:03 am
We are "all ears" so why don't you tell us about them!
Barbar Gixxxx
8/5/2013 06:34:00 am
Thank you Sir for outlining where to start questtioning. Still on a learning curve and lost in the land of pondering "who's in first?." Your info gives a ace to start my intetviews and searches for your kind ofexpertise.
8/5/2013 07:01:09 am
Even though this post is a repost from Recaps in 2011 I still feel it has some enlightenment for the very uneducated - never invested folks -
Sweet One
8/5/2013 07:03:48 am
Dear sir and intel providers,
Winston C. Freebish
8/5/2013 07:33:26 am
If Okie is right, and an international tax treaty is being signed, taxability issues will be different than those contemplated in this very informative posting.
8/5/2013 08:00:12 am
Thank you so much for this info it gives me a start of questions to ask so I won't seem "green". I appreciate the info and am encouraged to continue research.
Bro. Secs
8/5/2013 08:30:13 am
It would be certainly be wonderful if some of us would learn to appreciate when one has taken his or her time to share valuable info with each other at their own time and expense. If you have info that may throw more light on the subject matter just post it. It is not necessary for you to negatively critic the other persons statement, especially if their intention to help others and not for their own benefit. This is a foundemental problem with some of us and that is the reason many people do not desire to share their knowledge and wealth of experience. People let us learn to appreciate with a true and sincere heart the contribution of other. The very foundation of our living state here upon the earth is base on the principle of sharing, the very breath that you are breaving every second is shared with and by every other living being, be it man or animal. The basis of this sharing come from the heart of one who love and appreciation ( GOD) therefore the person who loves will always appreciate the willing effort of others.
8/5/2013 10:01:22 am
I thank you, for all the information giving thru the graces of your heart.
8/5/2013 10:33:25 am
Thank you this has. Cleared up so many questions.i can see Jesus all over this Android in your heart. I am one of those that would have blown it in 60 months. SO from the bottom of. My heart thank you.
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8/5/2013 11:19:35 am
@ Paul,Yes Sir, that IS my presumption & of course I know how many times we have "supposedly" been very close. I honestly believe that it WILL POP within the next 10 days, that's why I gave the dates that I did and I don't mind paying a few Million in taxes but I will not pay any on at least 80 to 85% of my Net Profits that I will have safely invested. Sorry I didn't make myself more clear.
8/7/2013 01:10:57 am
Dearest Old Attorney, So it maybe from 2011I know our Lord has high favor of you with all the sheep that are in Oakies forum. I am just a common everyday wife, mother and mom mom as the Cajun say and I want to say, THANK YOU dearly for what you have provided as I have take notes of all. We are not rich nor poor but had no way of knowing guessed of what to do except bury it in back yard in a mason jar lol.
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* what do money do you need to save before you retire?
* What do you plan on living on when you retire? SocSec? Pension? 401K, IRA?
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If you have no Plan the you need one.
If you have debt Google Dave Ramsey and follow the 7 baby steps.
My plan is to retire at 62, just about 7 years from now also.
Own House, 2 cars will be paid in full in 2 months, then we owe nobody.
We fully fund our IRA's each year, I fully Fund my 401k now and get a nice match,
The goal is to have close to a million dollars in 7 years in IRA and 401K's and with the plan we have now, we just might make it. IT will be close.
will see a very small pension when I'm 65 but can take at 62 for a small discount.
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Dangerous drugs left in the offices of the KE Medical Group that abruptly closed earlier this month — leaving hundreds of patients without health care — have been confiscated by state authorities, according to Doug Cooper, executive director of the Nevada State Medical Board.
Cooper said Monday that the board, which placed two investigators on the abrupt Nov. 8 closure after patients' complaints surfaced last week, filed a request with a state District Court in Reno for a temporary restraining order that would prevent KE group managers from disposing of health records before patients or physicians can take custody of them.
Attempts to reach Dr. Mark Edelstein were unsuccessful. He is a Beverly Hills, Calif.-based gastroenterologist identified in Secretary of State records as a managing officer of the 10-member group that practiced for more than two years at 8205 W. Warm Springs Road. Edelstein does not practice in Las Vegas.
It appears, Cooper said, "a business decision took priority" over the welfare of patients and the general public.
Cooper said some patients received letters from the group informing them that they could pick up medical records on Nov. 14 and 15 from the Warm Springs offices, and there was such commotion Las Vegas police were called to calm the situation.
To Tracey Brierly, a former Clark County chief deputy district attorney who had to go on disability three years ago because of severe migraine headaches, the closing of the medical group has been "devastating" for two reasons.
She said Dr. Abraham Nagy, a certified headache specialist in Nevada who practiced with the group, seemed to be getting her pain under control with IV treatments. And Dr. Brian Berelowitz, an endocrinologist, was helping her overcome a serious thyroid problem.
"I can't get in touch with either of them and I don't have any way to get my medical records so other doctors will know what to do," she said, adding that she was supposed to have an appointment with Berelowitz on Thursday. "I'm almost out of my medication from him and I don't know what to do."
She said she received a letter dated Nov. 8 telling her that Nagy was no longer a part of the medical group. That same letter, she said, also informed her that KE Medical Group was closing on Nov. 8.
"Isn't that strange?" she said, noting that Nagy broke appointments with her in September and October for no apparent reason.
Because of Nagy's treatments, Brierly said she went 15 days without headache pain.
"Now all this stress has got me right back to where I was," Brierly said.
Brierly's mother, Mildred Brierly, who has been caring for her daughter, said her daughter has been crying and "is now in a state of panic about what to do."
The investigation has shown, Cooper said, that some staff doctors were "sucker punched," too, not learning of the closure until soon before it happened.
He said investigators with the state pharmacy board confiscated "controlled substances and other dangerous drugs" after medical board authorities informed them that drugs were left unsupervised at group offices.
Cooper said that the unexpected closure "definitely was harmful to the public."
"Some of these patients have been treated for years and years by the same physician, well before KE started doing business (and the doctors joined the practice)," he said, adding that patients haven't been given a way to contact their physicians. "Some of these patients even had appointments scheduled."
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It is surprising you quote a book that the penetes wrote to attack and undermine the EOTC. Again, the quote is deceptive. Did you hear from anyone or read in any book of the church that purports that Christ is replaced by anyone else? Why do you quote few phrases out of context? The reason probably is that you are doing the work that you have seen from your father, the D.
In the Bible, Christ tells to His appostels that they are the light of the world while the only true light is only Himself. Do you say Christ was wrong in calling His saints as the lights of the world? However, we, the true believers of Christ, know well His words and don't confuse between Christ and the saints.
All the saints have been called by the qualties and names of Christ by the will of God.
1. While Christ is the only true light, He has called His saints "lights of the world" because they have disseminated the Gospel and imitated Him in their lives by following His words.
2. While Christ is the only true salt of the world, He has given this name to His saints for the same reason above.
3. While Christ is the only judge of of the world, He has called the saints as the "judges of the world" because the words they preach will judge all the world at the end, among others.
So, the point is Christ has willingly given His only qualities, powers and names to those who give up everything for the sake of His name. Unfortunately, menafiqans have always uproared about these facts to deceive the innocent.
"ለእናንተ ተድላ ደስታችሁ ነውና ለሥጋችሁ መጠበቂያ ለነፍሳችሁ መዳኛ ኃጢአታችሁን የሚያነፃ…. ለነፍሳችሁ መድኃኒት" ነው ብለውታል። (ገድ ተክ ምዕ 2፥14-15)
Therefore, true believers won't be trapped by the above writing, if it refers to Siant TekleHaimanot, because what the messgage is the prayer of the saint so powerful and can give abundant blessings for the soul and the flesh, interpreting it conistent with the tradition and approach of the Bible. We know what we expect from the saints and what God has given them in return for their dedication and love - they only intercede us to get blessings and help in our struggle against Satan and effort to continue to be within the salvation of Christ. The Bible says the appostels would seat on 12 thrones to judge the world; for people like you this is "incorrect and need to be deleted." However, it is a truth for us and the writing is consitent with this bibilcal writing tradition. You are simply burning you hair and misinterpreting the writings to end up in disarray and deadly trap. If you believe in the "faith" of the pentes, go and join them. If you don't like the saints, you can go to places where they practice hate for these people. However, at EOTC, we like the saints and venerate them as they are the most chosen children of Christ. If you pretend to like the Father while hating the children, do you think your faith will be appreacited by God? We love the saints, but we worship only God, the creator of heavens and earth. God is so generous that He has given us His glory, life and all He has. That is why we read some times some uniqe qualities of God being referenced to the saints. If you don't believe in the power of the prayers of the saints, sorry that is your problem, not EOTC's. If you mix up the salvation of Christ and the blessings we get through the saints, sorry that is also your problem, not ours. However, I advise yo not to deceive innocent people by taking phrases out of context and implying a wrong interpretation that exists only in your and your likes' minds. For us, we know who Christ is and who the saints are.... The ge'edel is for you while the GEDLE is for us.
will continue....
ከላይ አስተያየት የሰጠኸው ሰው፦ አሁን መልስ መስጠትህ ነው? እስኪ ስለ ተቅማጡ እና ስለ ዶሮው ጭንቅላትም የገባህን ንገረን። አየህ እንዴት የስህተት ትምህርቶችን ከመፅሐፍ ቅዱስ ጋር ለማስታረ ቅ ስንማስን? አንተ ኃጢአትን የሚያነፃ ተክለሃይማኖት ነው ብለህ የምታምን ከሆነ እንግዲህ እግዚአብሔር ይሁንህ። መጽሐፍ ቅዱስ የሚነግረን ኃጢአትን የሚያነጻ ግን አንድ እና አንድ ነው። አይ ኢየሱስ ክርስቶስም ኃጢአቴን ያነጻል፣ ተክለሃይማኖትም ኃጢአቴን ያነጻል ነው የምትለው? በጋራ ነው ኃጢአትህን የሚያነጹት? የኃጢዓት ስርየት በደም ብቻ እንደሆነ መጽሐፍ ቅዱስ አስረግጦ ይነግረናል። ይህ ደምም የጌታችን የኢየሱስ ክርስቶስ ደም ብቻ ነው። በዚህ ደም ታምነን ስንመለስ ብቻ ነው የኃጢዓት ስርየት የምናገኘው። ይህንን ተጠራጠራለህ? እስኪ የቅዱስ ጳውሎስ መልዕክታትን አንድ ቀን ወስደህ አንብባቸው። እንዲህ አይነት የክህደት ትምህርቶችን መጽሐፍ ቅዱሳዊ ለማስመሰል መከራን ከማየት ይልቅ እውነቱን እውነት፤ ጠማማውን ጠማማ ብሎ ማስተካከሉ ይበጀናል። ሰላም ለሁላችንReplyDelete
- AnonymousFebruary 13, 2011 at 7:02 PM
I did already under those postings. What people fail to understand is the fact that SALVATION is a journey. For the misguided pentes, salvation is a one time event - you believe in Christ and you are saved. That is it!
Of course, we get remissions for our sins (original plus others) when we believe in Christ as the Son of God, but that is not the end of the story. It is rather the beginning of the story or the salvation process with the goal being receiving the kingdom of God or eternal life. Before we achieve that, we pass through numerous challenges (as Paul says we need to enter the kingodm of God through various sufferings and hardship) and temptations. The role of the saints is not in the remission of our original sins, which can be achieved only through the blood of Christ, but rather their role is to bring us to Christ through their prayers and to help us perfect our salvation after we have joined the union with Christ and the rest of the Christian community. So many have started the journey of salvation, but only few have finished that journey with victory. The prayers and intercession of the saints would help us finish this important jouney with victory. It is written in the Bible that the prayers of the saints are so powerful because the Ears of God are always open to them. Also, it is written that whoever gives a glass of water in the name of a saint/disciple of Christ would get the reward and blessings of that saint/disciple. That is exactly what the writer is talking about in the Gedle Tekle Haimanot. We believe all the words that Christ has told us; we don't pick and choose what we want and reject what we don't want. Otherwise, we would have been heretic like the menafiqans.
I want to acknowledge that some of our followers are weak in abiding by the word of God. However, this is because the Bible was not being preached for many years, particularly after the Gragn Mohammed invasion and forced coversion. The church's affiliation with the ruling classes was also an issue because the emperors feard that preaching the bible would threaten their power base. However, things are changing a little bit now with the Gospel being preached at least in the cities and among the diaspora. The fact that our followers are not well versed with the bible and don't abide by the word of God does not mean that our core beliefs are wrong; rather, it means that the bible needs to be preached very aggressively. With the help of God, things will change.
Unfortunately, some so-called reformers mistakenly believe that the problem of our church is the faith itself and start attacking St. Mary and the other saints knowingly or unknowingly in an apparent attempt to solve the problems. Our problems are not the saints - they are rather our VALUABLE PARTNERS OR FRIENDS IN PERFECTING OUR SALVATION. Our problem is the lack of bible preaching, the leadership that is hijacked by politicians and worldly life, and the enemies of our church who always plant the seeds of satan in our church. With the help of God, we will have spiritual revival while keeping our core faith and tradition intact. Of course, there are numerous books that need to be corrected, but that does not mean that our faith needs to be corrected. Our faith is purer than the sun. We just need to know and practice it.
- AnonymousFebruary 14, 2011 at 8:05 AM
okay Tewahedo fare enoughReplyDelete
wanaw yemenesemamabet yehnen naw bezih ketmamenene hulum selam naw
"some so-called reformers mistakenly believe that the problem of our church is the faith itself"
i agree
To the the anonymous (Feb 13, 7:02). Please give yourself a name so that it is eassy to reference.ReplyDelete
ከክርስቶስ በተጨማሪ ለመዳናችን ቅዱሳንም ያስፈልጉናል እያልክ ይመስላል። በጸሎትም ሆነ በትምህርታቸው ቅዱሳን ወደ መድኃኒቱ ሊያቀርቡን ይችላሉ ራሳቸው ግን መድኃኒት አይደሉም። ለእነርሱም መድኃኒታቸው ራሱ ኢየሱስ ክርስቶስ ነውና። እንዳንተ አባባል በክርስቶስ አምነን ስንጠመቅ ሲወርድ ሲዋረድ ከመጣው ኃጢአት እና እስካመንበት ጊዜ ድረስ በራሳችን ከሰራነው ኃጢታት እነጻለን። ወይም እንደ ቅዱስ ጳውሎስ አባባል " አሁን ግን በሕግና በነቢያት የተመሰከረለት የእግዚአብሔር ጽድቅ ያለ ሕግ ተገልጦአል እርሱም ለሚያምኑ ሁሉ የሆነ በኢየሱስ ክርስቶስ በማመን የሚገኘው የእግዚአብሔር ጽድቅ ነው" ሮሜ 3፥21። በዚህ ሁለታችንም እንደምንስማማ ተስፋ አደርጋለሁ። በትክክል ለሚያምኑ ሁሉ ጽድቅ አላቸው፤ የእግዚአብሔር መንግስትም አላቸው፤ የዘለዓለም ህይወትም አላቸው። በነገራችን ላይ ብዙም አትደንግጥ እንጂ የቅዱስ ጳውሎስን አባባል ካስተዋልከው በክርስቶስ የሚያምን ሁሉ ጻድቅ ነው! " የሚያምኑ ሁሉ ይጸድቁ ዘንድ ክርስቶስ የህግ ፍጻሜ ነውና" ሮሜ 10፥4። ለሙሉ ደኅንነትህ ክርስቶስ በቂ ነው ብሎ መጽሐፍ ቅዱስ እየተናገረ አንተ አይ እሱ ብቻውን አያስተማምንም ሌሎች ጻድቃን ካልጸለዩልኝ ድኅንነት የለኝም ደኅንነቴንም ልፈጽም አልችልም የምትል ትመስላለህ። በተክክል ተረድቼህ ከሆነ ተክለሃይማኖት ኃጢአትን የሚያነጹት ወደ ክርስቶስ በማመልከት ነው። እንዲዚያ ከሆነ "ኃጢአትን ያነጻሉ" ብሎ መናገር አግባብ ነው? በክርስቶስ የምናምን ሁሉ ልጆች እንደሆንን ስለዚህም የመንግስቱ ወራሾች እንደሆንን ካላመንን ክርስትናችንን ልንመረምር የቆምንበትም መሰረት ልንጎበኝ ያስፈልገናል ባይ ነኝ።
ሌላው ይሄ ድኛለሁ - እየዳንሁ ነው -- እድን ይሆናል የሚል የተምታታ እና የጥርጥር ክርስትና ከየት እንዳመጣኸው አላውቅም። እድን ይሆናል ምናምን ማለት እምነት አይደለም። እሱ ጥርጥር ነው። ጽድቅ ወይ ይጠጥሐል ወይ አይሰጥህም። ሂደት የምተለው ነገር የአንዳንድ ቢጽ ሀሳውያን ትምህርት ካልሆነ በቀር የቤተክርስቲያናችን ትምህርት አይደለም።
- AnonymousFebruary 14, 2011 at 4:51 PM
We need both Christ and the saints because of our weakness and sinful life. Again, the reason we need the saints is not that the blood of Christ is insufficient, but rather because we are sinful/weak and need their help in our struggle against satan. Yes, for those who are always in Christ and follow His words, they don't have any condemnation, but eternal life. Yes, all those who believe in Christ and abide by His words are saints according to the Bible. However, the question is: do you consider yourself equivalent to the saints? Do you think your prayers are heard as much as those of the saints? For example, St George suffered a lot and died multiple times for the sake of Christ. Do you think you and this martyr have equal status in the kingdom of God or in the face of God?
If you are certain that you are fully and completely following the word of God, then you don't need any saint to pray for you. However, I know my weakness and sinful life, I need the prayers of the saints and their blessings to perfect my salvation. Again, their intercession is not a replacement for the blood of Christ. One of the problems of menafiqans is that they read what is not written while they skip or gloss over what is written. Please re-read what i have written. Even if the saints are not the true medicine, they are sometimes called as the medicine because of their role in bringing us to the true medicine, Christ Jesus. I have given a number of examples from the Bible, but you don't want to read. Another example from our day to day life. People who get healed from a serious disease would always praise the Medical Doctor who may have prescribed the medicine as their healer while we know the healer is the TABLET/MEDICINE that the doctor may have prescribed. The doctor is being praised for the work of the medicine, like a guy who got healed after taking LIPITOR would praise the doc who gave him the LIPITOR that truely did the healing. Similarly, the medicine is Christ and the Doctors are the saints who would prescribe to us Christ as the medicine. Do you think we don't need the doctors, in our case the saints?
Even the saints request other Christians to pray for them. If you read the epistles of St. Paul, he always asks Christians to pray for him so that he can aggressively disseminate the message of the Gospel. Are you better than St. Paul? You be the judge...
As to me, I am the weakest of the weaks and always need the support and blessings of the saints. I believe Christ is always there to help me, but I annoy Him with my sins and the prayers of the saints will get me his patience and merci - get saved from judgment. Do you know Christ would spit you out if you fail to abide by His words and become lukewarm? The prayers of the saints would help us not to be spit out or not to be lukewarm... I would have wanted to write a longer piece, but few words are enough for a believing heart and a wise person....
Thanks annonymous above! Your explanation of the role of the saints is the best I have heard so far. I think I have heard Abba woldetensae Ayalneh (one of the best preachers I have heard) explained that way (the medicine and doctor analogy). So when Gedle Teklehaimanot says ለነፍሳችሁ መዳኛ፤ ኃጢዓታችሁን የሚያነፃ ተከለሃይማኖት ነው ሲባል ተክለ ሃይማኖት በጸሎታቸው፤ በትምህርታቸው ወደ መድኃኒቱ፤ ኃጢዓትን ወደሚያነጻው ወደ ክርስቶስ እንድንቀርብ ይረዱናል ማለት ነው። ጥሩ በዚህ እስማማለሁ ግን በህይወት እያሉ ይህን ያረጉ ነበር ቢባል ነው የሚያስኬደው። በአሁኑ ሰዓት ከሞቱ በሁዋላ ቅዱስ ተከለሃይማኖትም ሆኑ ቅዱስ ጳውሎስ ጸሎታችንን እየሰሙ በነፍስ እያሉ ያደርጉት የነበረውን (ከዚያም የበለጠ) ያደርጋሉ የሚለውን ግን ገና አልተቀበልኩትም። በርግጥ አምላካችን ስለ ቅዱሳኑ ሲል፤ ስለ ገባላቸው ቃል ኪዳን ሲል ብዙ ያደርጋል። ለአብርሃም በገባለት ቃል ኪዳን መሰረት ነው ተወልዶ ዓለምን ያዳነው። አብርሃምን ግን የነፍሳችን መዳኛ ነው አንለውም። ወይም ደግሞ ጌታችን ተወልዶ ያዳነን አብርሃም አብርሃምን ጠይቀነው እሱም ጸልዮልን አይደለም። ቅዱሳን ልክ እንደ አምላክ የዓለምን ሁሉ ህዝብ ጸሎት እየሰሙ ወደ አምላካቸው ያመለክታሉ የሚል ከመጽሐፍ ቅዱስ አንብቤ አላውቅም።ReplyDelete
ሌላው ከላይ ስለቅድስና ስልከው አስተያየት፦ አንድ ማወቅ ያለብን ጽድቅ ጸጋ ነው። እንደ ቃሉ ማለት ነው። ጽድቃችን ደግሞ እንደስራችን ሳይሆን እንደቸርነቱ መጠን ነው። ጻድቅ ነን ስንል በክርስቶስ ድፍረት ስላለን ነው። በእርሱ ከተማመንክ በእርሱ ካመንክ ልጁ ነህ እና አይጥልህም። እምነት ማለት እንደዚህ ነው።Replies
- AnonymousMarch 4, 2012 at 2:21 PM
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- AnonymousFebruary 14, 2011 at 7:14 PM
Eterna Life = Faith X Deeds
Subject to : Faith >= 0; Deeds >= 0
---> If either Faith or Deeds are Zero (0), then the output, savation, becomes zero (multiplicative, not additive). Of course, salvation is a free gift. Whatever we do, it does not equate to what Jesus has done and will do for us. Please also note that you could lose the gift if you don't live within the framework or contraints of the gift. Do you know the devil believes in Christ? However, he does not have eternal life because he is evil in thoughts and deeds. I believe in tsega throgh Christ, but I also believe that faith without deeds is like an empty kettle. I don't want ot be an empty kettle.
If you don't believe in the fact that the saints and the angels are with us in the spirit, sorry I can only say that you are not orthodox. If you don't believe in the covenant between the saints and God, sorry I suspect you are pente. These things are pretty basic for an orthodox Christian. If you genuinely want to learn, then we can continue the discussion.
You can read the angel praying for isreael in the Prophecy of Zekaria. It is also written in the Gospel about the fact that the saints can hear and see what is happening in this world. Example, the converstion between Abreham and the condemned rich man. I think it is good to ask if one wants to establish an understanding or learn. However, if you have already made up your mind that Pente is right, you better go join that group instead of pretending to be an othodox. Religion is a personal choice and no one would condemn you for that. Nevertheless, it would be a serious offence against God for anyone to wear a sheep skin and join the herd of Christ to only kill the unuspecting innocent folks. Your claim to be an orthodox and your denial of the saints are not consistent. One of the factors that separate us from penete or menafiqan is the question of the saints, angels and martyrs. While we believe in the saints, angels and martyrs, the pentes consider them as dead "dogs" - literally. They have a "famous" quote to imply this. Egziabhere yekir yebelachew! Yehenen yahel torinet kekidusan gar ayegebam neber.
FYI, the lithurgy was written over a thousand years before. In all the lithurgies, we pray to Sts. Paul and Peter appreciating their leeters/epistels and asking them for their prayers. Example, we say the following after one of the epitels of Paul is read:
"kiduse hawariaw paulos:- senai meleket fewase duan zenasike aklile seal weseley bentena yeadhen nefsatene bebezeha sahilu wemihiretu bente semu kidus"
"Oh! St Paul, your message is great. It heals those who are sick! You received crowns from God. Please pray for us so that Christ Jesus can save our soul for the sake of His Holy name with His abundant mercy."
If you grew up singing this in the lithurgy, what would make you doubt it now? The alien spirit of the pentes...
My suggestion to all Pentes, reformers etc.. go preach to islamic and animist people instead of toiling a land that has a rightful tiller assigned by Christ Jesus. However, I like and apprecaite this discusion bcause it will help bring revival of Christianity if done in a healthy way.
annonymous above, thanks for a mature discussion. This is how we should continue to discuss. I can assure you that I am an orthodox christian. Serve in a Sunday school since I was 7 and still serve in a church as a Sunday school. Love my church. Look, raising questions doesn't make me Pente. If supported by the Bible, any "Pente teaching" is also okay with me. I am only interested in what the Bible says and wants to teach. I don't care what denominations say. No denomination is perfect, so I choose to just stick with the Bible.ReplyDelete
I don't neccessarily agree with your equation above. I would like to modify your equation, but first a word from Christ "I am the vine, you are the branches. Those who abide in me and I in the bear much fruit" John 15:5. Based on this and several similar messages from the Bible, deed is an output instead of an input as you have suggested. When you believe in Christ, you become the branch of the vine. Once you become the branch of the vine, you will have fruits (deeds). The way you become the branch is through faith; therefore, I can also argue that eternal life = faith. We do deeds not to gain eternal life. We do deeds through love and because we have been given eternal life. If we do not have the fruits of the spirit mentiond in Galatians, it just means that we have not become branchs of the great Vine.
Let me ask you an important question: the following are the fruit of the spirit mentioned in Galatians 5
love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,Meekness, temperance
How do you achieve these? are these considered deeds? How can one say from now on " I will excersise love peace..."? can you do that? Do you think you can achieve these things through your effort?
Another question for you: how do you know when you have enough deeds? According to your equation, anything above zero will get you salvation?
Good discussion. God bless you!
- AnonymousFebruary 15, 2011 at 5:26 PM
If you don't believe in deeds as important part of a Christian life (to be exact as a condition for continued relationship with Christ), please read the epistle by Apostle Jacob, who would tell you that "Faith without deeds is dead." This clearly emphasizes the importance of combining the two in order to get eternal life. Of course, we are supposed to do all we are asked to do with the love of Christ and love of the good deeds. All the fruits of the Spirit that you mentioned follow faith in Christ; however, the fact that one comes after the other does not make it less important or does not warrant its removal from the equation.
Some of the fruits of the Spirit just happen naturally for those who have grown well in Christ, but some may require conscious effort for all. For example, someone may upset you so much and many evil thoughts and anger may cross your mind as a result. However, the Holy Spirit would remind you through your heart and conscious that your anger and evil thoughts are non-Christian; then, you consciously restrain yourself and rebuke the bad spirit, choosing good over evil. This conscious effort to side with Holy Spirit is a deed. Faith in Christ gives you the power to choose good and prevail on evils; however, this is a conscious choice - the faith does not transform us fully and completely to another being; we still live in the flesh, which is corrupt and weak (of course, we would receive the non-corrupting body after resurrection and this body is strong and cannot commit any sin, which will be thrown altogether into eternal fire).
Yes, you consciously choose peace over turmoil; yes, you consciously choose love over hate even if it may be painful; yes, you consciously choose gentleness over arrogance; yes, you consciously choose goodness over badness etc... This choice may be difficult for some, but it may be easy for others depending on their stage of Christianity and personality traits. However, both have chosen the good over the evil and would receive the same Kingdom of God.
Lastly, I wonder how you would teach the faith that you seem to doubt. Did you say you teach at EOTC Sunday School, attending it since 7? Very surprising! There is nothing wrong with attending it, but I wonder what you have learned for the last at least 20 years - I assume you are at least 27 years old.
Regarding the Bible, many people and groups say their reference is the Bible, but we see them using it for their own end. If all listened to the Holy Spirit, we would not have so many denominations. Some listen to their own thoughts; some listen to their bellies; and yet some listen to satan while reading the word of God. Fortunately, the Holy Spirit has interpreted the Bible to our Holy forefathers, who were able to put together the core faith and interpretation as they heard it from the Holy Spirit. Many falsely claim to have heard from the Holy Spirit and have even gone to the extent of denying Christ Himself and the Holy Spirit using the Bible as a reference. For example, Arewos, Mekdonewos etc. were using the Bible to destroy the church, but the Holy Spirit guided our forefathers to the truth.
Therefore, the Bible is subject to interpretation and you have to be careful when you read it. Need to study it from the right source first; need to pray to get guidance from God etc... If you believe in the Bible, our core faith has not come out of any other source, but the Bible. Otherwise, don't cheat yourself by claiming as a believer of the Bible and doubting the core faith of the church where you claim to belong. I wonder how you could attend the liturgy if you have problems with the core faith of the church. Raising questions is very good, but denying the core faith that you claim to be part of is alarming...
Ok you don't have to work hard to spin my thoughts in the wrong way. I do believe our deeds are an important part of our chrstian life. And Yes, faith without works and works without faith is dead as Jacob makes it clear. And No, I have not removed it from the equation. I just moved it to the othehr side of the equation (where it belongs). You see, you believe you earn eternal life, but I don't. Eternal life is given to me through His grace. "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast" ephesians 2:8-9 Is this not clear to you? Does this leave any ambiguity? St. Paul then says "For we through the Spirit, by faith, are waiting for the hope of righteousness" Galatians 5:6. በአማርኛ በፍቅር የሚሰራ እምነት ይለዋል። በትክክል አምነህ ከሆነ እምነትህ የሚሰራ እምነት እንጂ የሞተ አይደለም። እስኪ ይህንን ደግሞ አንብበው "ለሚሰራ ደሞዝ እንደ ዕዳ ነው እንጂ እንደ ጸጋ አይቆጠርለትም ነገር ግን ለማይሰራ ኃጢአተኛውንም በሚያጸድቅ ለሚያምን እምነቱ ጽድቅ ሆኖ ይቆጠርለታል" ሮሜ 3፥23 ምን ለማለት የፈለገ ይመስልሃል? ጽድቅ ጸጋ መሆኑን ታምናለህ? So the question is: are we justified by faith alone? Or as you are suggesting we need our works to be justified. There is no question we are justified through faith alone.ReplyDelete
By the way, I didn't say I teach sunday school. I am still learning! And you didn't answer my second question .how much good deeds do you need to achieve eternal life? since good deed is on the left side of your equation, you need to be able to quantify it.
God bless
- AnonymousFebruary 16, 2011 at 1:56 AM
1. Deed is relative and there is no minimum or maximum number. We are expected to work according to the gift we have been given. Example, the woman who gave her only 10 cents did much better than those who gave from their excess profit. Moreover, Feyatawi ZeYeman believed and immediately got eternal life because that was the maximum he could have done given the circumstance. His only deed was to express his faith in words and rebuke the other guy who was trying to admonish Jesus.ReplyDelete
2. We are justified by faith. However, "justification by faith" means whatever amount of work we do, it does not justify the blessings and/or eternal life we are getting from God. The deed is simply an indication or symbol of our allegiance or loyalty or love to God or an expression of faith. If you don't have it, you cannot expect life. God always judges us based on the gift and opportunity we have been given. Demas had faith, but love of women diverted his attention, whereby he abandoned his task for the sake of the beautiful women while he had the chance to serve - I suppose this guy failed and got whatever price would be given to a failed soul.
3.Everything we get is by the grace of God, leave alone eternal life. However, it does not mean that deed is not in the equation. Who reduced the formula to "eternal life = faith"? Do we see deed in the equation here?
4. What we need to ask is: How will God judge us when He comes again? Is He going to judge us just by our faith? The fact is He would put on a scale the deeds we may be doing while in faith. That is why we say Eternal Life = Faith X Deeds. Again, deed is relative. Again, we are saved by His Grace - no one lent God anything to deserve His Crucifixion on the Cross for our sake. Whatever deed we may do, we cannot say we are saved by our deeds because our deed is simply an expression of our love and loyalty to Him. However, there is no way you can get eternal life without that expression or deed.
Hope this helps.
I really appreciate this discussion. The more we talk the more we are moving to the same page:ReplyDelete
Here is the correct equation: Faith = eternal life + deeds. This equation accurately captures the concept in the Bible. You have to believe to bear the fruit. When you believe, the Holy Spirit in you starts to work. If no fruit, the faith needs to be questioned (or it is a dead faith). If you trully believe in what Christ has done for you, you will bear fruit!!!! That's why St. Paul says "the fruit of the spirit". It is the Holy Spirit that bears the fruit in you. You see, we just need to figure out where our focus should be. On the strength of our faith or on the number of deeds ?
I think the problem you are having is that you don't realize the power of faith. If you have faith that's not dead, bearing fruit is effertless! If you don't bear fruit, you don't have faith.
"Whatever deed we may do, we cannot say we are saved by our deeds because our deed is simply an expression of our love and loyalty to Him." Well said. Like it. But you then confuse it by saing you need your deeds to be saved. Your sentence and your equation is not consistent.
Another important point: What is eternal life to you? Do you think you have it now? Are you thinking this is something you will start living after you die (in flesh)? I believe (and the Bible agrees with me) that I have eternal life effective now! I start living it now. Because I am the king's child. You see, with your equations you can not even be sure if you have/will have eternal life. I have confidence in Christ that I have eternal life. Hope and pray that you have this confidence.
God bless
- AnonymousFebruary 16, 2011 at 8:20 AM
I believe and hope I have eternal life in Christ effective now. However, don't forget there is a JUDGE, Christ Jesus, and there is A JUDGEMENT DAY that no one knows when it is.ReplyDelete
According to the words of God, Jesus will come for the second time and seprate the good from the bad.
Some unfortunate guys who hear a bad news would argue with Him saying that they did many things in His name, preached in His name etc., but Jesus would answer to them "go away from me; I don't know you." Mind you these folks would have faith in Christ, but would lack good deeds.
While this kind of judgment is hanging over us, it is better to focus on how we can please God and save our soul, instead of trying to become a judge for ourselves. However, we have the courage to say that we have eternal life effective immediately if we are following fully and completely the word of God, for example like St Paul and the other saints. Of course, all christians have eternal life and follow Christ with that hope and belief, but do all believers truely follow Him? Otherwise, there would not be judgment day.
The main question is whether our deed will still stand out when tested by fire, like Paul says.
Thank you sir, this is the best discussion I have had with a fellow Orthodox Christian. I think we both agree that bearing fruit is important. As long as you don't believe we do deeds/good works to earn eternal life, we are both on the same page. Our only differnce is the following:ReplyDelete
You believe you achieve the fruit of the spirit (ፍቅር፤ ደስታ፤ ሰላም፤ ትዕግስት፤ ቸርነት፤ በጎነት፤ እምነት፤ የውሃት፤ ራስን መግዛት)throght your conscious effort. But I believe these fruits happen to me through my faith in Christ and as a result of the work of the Holy Spirit. Not my effort. I know and you know that የዋህ እንሁን ብለን ወደ የዋህነት መለወጥ እንደማንችል። እግዚአብሔር መንፈስ ቅዱስ ግን ይህንን ማድረግ ይችላል።
"በእኔ ኑሩ እኔም በእናንተ። ቅርንጫፍ በወይኑ ግንድ ባይኖር ከራሱ ፍሬ ሊያፈራ እንዳይቻለው፥ እንዲሁ እናንተ ደግሞ በእኔ ባትኖሩ አትችሉም። እኔ የወይን ግንድ ነኝ እናንተም ቅርንጫፎች ናችሁ። ያለ እኔ ምንም ልታደርጉ አትችሉምና በእኔ የሚኖር እኔም በእርሱ፥ እርሱ ብዙ ፍሬ ያፈራል።" ዮሐ 15፥4-5
To take our discussion to the next level (if neccessary), we may need to clearly define key terms such as: Faith, Being justified, eternal life. Those people who claim to do many things in his name, preached in his name ... Did they have true faith in Christ? I would argue NO! If you define faith as acknowledging His existence, his power, who he is etc then you can say they have faith. But that's not the faith the Bible talks about. በዮሐንስ ወንጌል እንደተጻፈው በእርሱ የሚያምን ሁሉ እንዳይጠፋ አንድያ ልጁን ልኮልናልና። እንግዲህ በርሱ የሚያምን ሲል ስሙን የጠራ፤ በስሙ የሰበከ፤ ኢየሱስ ኢየሱስ ያለ ወዘተ እንዳልሆነ እንድናስተውል ይገባል።
- AnonymousFebruary 17, 2011 at 6:49 PM
Did they preach in His name without having faith? Did they get baptized without faith?ReplyDelete
You can get the answer if you open your eyes and look around yourself - sorry I am not being judgmental.
- Look the Bishops/Priests in the US/Europe who have been involved in sex scandals.
- Look the pastors who are officialy gay or lesbian.
- Look some folks who try to serve God and yet steal money from Churches like Judas.
- Look our own bishops who have given primacy to politics instead of the main cause that they have been ordained for.
- Look ourselves who fall every now and then... sometimes comit adultery... sometimes hate our own brothers... etc...
- Look the hatred between MK and Tehadso
All the above have faith, but they have made themselves servant of sin in one way or another. Please don't equate Faith with Holiness... Faith leads to holiness when you practice it - deed!!!
- AnonymousMarch 26, 2011 at 8:12 PM
I am really proud that EOTC has people like you (anonymous)!!! This person (ተዋሕዶ ) is Tehdso on the way to Pente. I wish he stops calling himself ተዋሕዶ.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousMarch 29, 2011 at 11:12 AM
"ተዋህዶ እና ኣናንመስ" you are the same coins with different face.do not fool your self.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousJune 8, 2011 at 11:40 AM
Very wise, matured, profetional and interesing discussion, good job both. After reading the discusion I am more convinced by Tewahdo, he got very clear and good points, supported by the word of God. "faith with out deed(work) is dead" that means no faith. no faith no deed. Tehadso is some thing we all need, be aimero metades. I used to hate that term, but now I want to talk to them and be around them. I found a perpose to live and love of God more and read the bible more with love. I will have to stay away from tereteret and empty jebdegnenet. Weather we like it or not Tehadeso is around us. To think EOTC is clean and blameless, it is just rasen matalel. all the problems we have is the fruit of our faith. we need to check our faith ....ReplyDelete
- AnonymousJune 8, 2011 at 1:55 PM
Dear Anonymous: Just some toughtsReplyDelete
1 - "Deed is relative and there is no minimum or maximum number."
The deed chapter loved by "not by faith alone" James 2 Verse 10 says break 1 break all.
My undestanding according to James (Jacob) is
Dead is actual, Minimum = Maximum (Perfection)
2 - "The ge'edel is for you while the GEDLE is for us." I don't think you need the TEKEMAT in the GEDLE
3 - "The bible needs to be preached very aggressively. With the help of God, things will change." TRUE I wonder if that makes you reformer.
4 - "SALVATION is a journey " the question is are you saved now?
5 - "Do you think your prayers are heard as much as those of the saints? For example, St George suffered a lot and died multiple times for the sake of Christ. Do you think you and this martyr have equal status in the kingdom of God or in the face of God?"
- As a chile of God, don't you believe that your heavenly father hears your prayers, even know before you pray?
- What make you sure that St George died multiple times
- AnonymousNovember 11, 2011 at 9:41 PM
kita eras neh betewahdo yeteseyemkew sew egzabher mastewalun ystih?ReplyDelete
- AnonymousDecember 27, 2011 at 7:09 AM
oky now i truly understand u r pente.beginning from this i will n't surprise what ever u wrote b/c u r davel's messanger to destroy christinity(remember dutch pente leader says on bbc god doesn't exist).so this is ur aim.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousJanuary 25, 2012 at 5:21 PM
በእውነትም ዓይን አላቸው አያዩም ጆሮ አላቸው አይሰሙም በአጠቃላይ ማስተዋላቸውን በክፉው የተቀሙ ወገኖቻችን እጅግ የበዛ የምልጃ ጸሎት የሚያስፈልጋቸው ናቸውና የህይወት ትርጉሙ በክርስቶስ ብቻ መሆኑ የገባችሁ ወንድሞች እባካችሁ አብዝተን እንዘንላቸው ከፍቅር ሌላም እዳ አይኑርብን:: የብርሃን መልአክ መስሎ ወገኖቻችንን የሚጫወትባቸውን የክፉ ሃሳብ አንስተውምና ውጊያችን ከድምና ከሥጋ ጋር አይሁን::ReplyDelete
የምህረት አምላክ ለምድራችን!!!
ሰላም ሁኑልኝ
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- AnonymousSeptember 15, 2013 at 11:16 PM
Funny Wolf. What kind of Jesus u r telling us baby. Eotc never ever preach like that but wolfs are too dum smartDelete
- AnonymousMarch 1, 2012 at 10:02 PM
በመዳን ዙሪያ ተጽፎ ስላየሁ ነው። እስከ መጨረሻ የሚጸና ይድናል ማቴ 24፡13 እንዴት ያዩታል።ReplyDelete
- AnonymousJune 27, 2012 at 8:57 AM
see your self first.don't judge to any body plsssssssReplyDelete
- AnonymousDecember 21, 2012 at 4:31 AM
YOU ARE SO LATE ,TO PREACH US, BECAUSE YOU (PROTESTANTS)HAVE RICH TO EXTINCT.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousJanuary 8, 2013 at 1:08 AM
Menafikaan geta iskigeletilachew litasminwachwew atichilum.Getam yegehanem dejoch bilwachwalina.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousJanuary 22, 2013 at 3:44 PM
I wishe everybody come together to follow Jesus Christ. He is the way the truth to go to Heaven.Please do not confused us by calling different denomenation there is no point to that one say Protestant and other say Tewahdo and Tehadso what is wrong with all you people? Focuse on The father, the son and the holey sprit.After all if you do not have love you all nothing nothing nothing. where is the love? The bible teach us to love one another. if you say you love God love your brother also. otherwise you do not know God.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousSeptember 15, 2013 at 11:06 PM
Actually it is too late and too far. This is not the begining for eotc. Let me tell u you are speeding for Your own distructionReplyDelete
- AnonymousSeptember 15, 2013 at 11:11 PM
Demon is getting wild out there. We r not simple mind like u May God forgive u Do u think we are bot able toi distiguish thee wolf from Sheep?ReplyDelete
- AnonymousSeptember 16, 2013 at 9:28 AM
Hebrew 11 & hebrew 13 We all know about tehadiso objective immoral behave . It is very simple. Tehadiso menafikans are try to divert with simple personal and private issue. This is not the gaspole of Jesus our Godmessage. We never ever saidholy and saint abune tekele haymanot saver of the sin of Adam and eve but however let me say I am prostitute, dranker, rude, thief and etc but when someone it may be tehadiso but they are full of simple mind anyway ,tehadiso advice me that all those habit is bad and they stop me and change me the right direction so tehadiso are the saviour of my life they save my life that is it why you tehadiso b? But it must to come we are living the last days «meseded lewut ayametam» 2 timoty 2 :16 _19 2timoty 3 and 4ReplyDelete


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