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There's something inherently funny about a man in therapy. I realized this recently when I saw the trailer to Couples Retreat , a new Vince Vaughn comedy hitting theatres today. Three of the four couples in the film that attend said retreat are led to believe it's just an economical group-rate vacation, but then are bullied into also partaking in the couples counselling aspect of the tropical getaway. Humour ensues! And many of the jokes, it appears, have to do with this stigma of men talking out their relationship issues with a shrink.
Certainly the endless spoofs of the mythopoetic mens' movement born out of the seventies - you know, sweat lodges and drums - has something to do with the fact that I snicker when I think about men sensitively talking about their deepest issues. This is true even though I consider myself a modern sensitive type and often talk openly about relationship problems with friends. I guess this means I am somewhat of a self-hating sensitive type. Huh. I should probably talk to my therapist about that.
Of course, it's a problem when men have relationship troubles and don't seek help. David B. Wexler, a clinical psychologist (though not mine) and the author of When Good Men Behave Badly , tells me that about 80 per cent of the men who come to him are sent by other people in their lives, such as a spouse who's finally worked up the nerve to tell her husband that their marriage is in a crisis, even threatening divorce if they don't seek help. It is the same ingrained male stereotypes that make it funny for men to be in therapy, says Dr. Wexler, that is often their ruin.
"One thing that a lot of the research has shown is that men who are especially attached to classic notions of masculinity - don't be vulnerable, don't appear weak, be in control - are more likely to be experiencing depression and are more likely to be unhappy in their relationship," he says. "And those men are also the ones least likely to seek out the relatively proven methods we've got for ameliorating those situations. That's a bad combination."
Dr. Wexler proposes, however, that it's not all the fault of us guys - part of the problem lies with the way therapy has been presented to us.
Instead of advertising counselling as a place where a man is going to be forced to "reveal his inner self," Dr. Wexler suggests therapy should be put into language that speaks not against, but to ingrained ideas of masculinity. "When somebody encourages men to go into therapy, they'll say no way," he says. "But if they say 'I know this guy who can give us some tips and tools or coach us or who can put us through a class about relationship skills,' that's more user friendly for men."
I suppose it's a little patronizing for therapists to have to use these typically male terms - coaching, tools - to get us to seek help, but I'm not against being tricked if it works.
I talked to a few guys who see a therapist and one, who said it had benefited his relationship, serves as evidence of Dr. Wexler's point. "My therapist is action-oriented," the guy said, explaining that the goal of his sessions is not just talk, but to put into concrete motion things that will help his relationship and help him at work. His therapist, he said, "is a no-nonsense guy from Texas and doesn't coddle me. As a man, I like a manly man. He's very direct."
Blake Woodside, an academic psychiatrist in the Department of Psychiatry at the University of Toronto, has personally seen many men learn how to open up. He runs an anorexia nervosa clinic and says there is occasionally a man who attends. "They're kind of quiet at first," he says. "But they're dumped into this intensely female environment and it's like they have 11 sisters all of a sudden. It's interesting to watch them gradually come out of their shell and start to talk about what they're actually feeling. And for many of these guys, it's a totally novel experience."
The men who finally do learn to talk about their feelings, Dr. Woodside speculated, "probably get on a whole lot better with women than your average guy because they've got practice at communicating in a way that women understand more clearly."
Which brings us back, of course, to the idea that emotional expression is a primarily a woman's domain. Well, so be it. But here's an idea which I don't think is too much of a paradox: If men really are more oriented towards action than talking about feelings, couldn't we start to include talking about feelings as an action? Sure, it might end up looking comical at first, but if learning about myself in the therapy room - or at a couples retreat - means getting on better with women and in relationships, my goal-oriented male brain will be a happy one. But maybe that's just how I feel about it.
Micah Toub's memoir, Growing Up Jung: Coming of Age as the Son of Two Shrinks , will be published in the fall of 2010.


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This thread is feared.
Game 59 Spillover Thread III
This thread is feared.
alright lets tie this thing up
I will never drink responsibly.
I've always liked Coke. I bet he becomes more and more reliable down the stretch.
This thread is balls.
Great Catch and a….
When Nick walks. Do you pinch run with Gardy? I do.
Probably yeah on Gardy
Good move Joe.
yes i would also
Yes, and hopefully he steals and not get bunted over by Melky.
Exactly! Why take the bat out of the hottest late inning hitter's hands on the team just to bunt over a guy who could EASILY steal second base?! Stupid move Joe!
Come on Swish
This thread is Fear Williams
We need to take the lead by a large margin this inning, just so that there's no chance I have to look at Papelbon's face tonight.
can swish work a count or what
Does anyone else get that Listerine pop up?
Great catch and… a great walk.
good eye, Swish!
WTF was that litte Listerine ad?
lol Mike i found dat weird to.
Its probably the beginning of a new annoying trend in sports. In-game ads that cover up part of the screen while the game is being played.
And then during the real commercial breaks we get to see ads for the lovely state of Massachusetts.
Thanks YES.
I have a craving for Listerine. Anyone else?
hey Brett lets steal the base tonight. you can do it kid.
Okay, Swisher is off my shit list. Please, next time, catch the ball. I hate when we are so distant.
gardner better not get caught here… i do like this move though
a melky spotting…
Do you have Gardner steal?
Gardy's gonna steal
I find it hard to believe Shelly Duncan can't do better than Angel Berroa at this point. We need some sort of RHB to pinch hit.
well he can play the infield a lot better.
I'm not getting this Listerine nonsense at all. You guys need to get rid of your DREADED Gingivitis!
Gardner better not miss a sign again.
Enough with the fucking bunting. Just let Gardner steal for fuck's sake.
+1. dun get it.
Gardner has gotta go in this situation.
that was ball 1, and small ball is fucking horrible. why give up outs?
Don't bunt Melky, Gardner can get to 2nd himself.
not a bad play… couldve been a better bunt, same outcome as a better one though.
Why??? Pointless sacrifice.
What a waste of an at-bat.
What was more impressive…
Moses parting the Red Sea…
Nick Swisher's catch…
Axl predicting anything and everything to happen on a daily basis…
I'm going with #3…I know you all go with it too…but you'll say something else out of spite…
You're spelling your name wrong. Please add an "e" to the end. Thank you kindly.
An "e" to the end of what? "Selleck"? I don't get it…
If you were just going to bunt him to second, you could have left Swish in. He could score from second on a single.
yup. bit of an odd move in that situation. either steal or leave swish in
God dammit Melky. If you're going to bunt, let Gardner fucking steal first.
My thoughts exactly.
absolutely agree.
Don't blame Melky bro. You think he WANTED to bunt?
ARGH! That bunt just hurt my soul
With Melkman hitting in a clutch situation in the 8th, I would NOT bunt. But whatever.
melky u lucky dat was gardner running cuz okajima would of had a chance to throw him out.
People criticize Swisher and say he's not an everyday player because of the long slump he went through, but even with the slump he still has an OPS of .935!
TBH, I haven't read/heard many people criticize Swish. I was pissed at him today for the 2nd inning but even through his slump I think we stuck with him.
People who said that were silly.
dont like that ab at all
no double plays needed… shouldnt have bunted,but Jeter coming up…
i'm probably pushing it but id really like gardner to attempt to steal 3rd
Steal third, they'll never expect it.
Captain Clutch?
Every time we bunt a guy over to 2nd base an angel loses its wings. :(
Gardy steals 3rd????
Singleton just talked about the hole to the right side, Pedroia is about 3 feet away from second base
Just saw the tweet from RAB. I didn't think of that–makes sense though. I suppose they can risk the steal of third.
Btw, has anyone won the Twitter contest?
lay it on us non-Twitter people
One of the main reasons i don't like girardi that much is he gives up too many outs. IF you want small ball, then have gardner steal and THEN bunt melky so a sac fly would get in a run. what we did there was just stupid.
agreed, melk is hitting .290 and has a hit tonight, if it were cervelli, pena, or berroa, sure bunt.
And Jeter goes 0-5
Cabrera, May 6th, 2009, through June 9th: .258/.298/.371.
Honestly gardner, I like you, you're a useful enough player I don't mid you starting a game here or there BUT IF YOU DON"T STEAL HERE YOU"RE COMPLETELY FUCKING USELESS.
Don't understand that move, frankly. I find Girardi to be a little too enamored of the bunt. Especially on the road
I need someone to keep track of Girardi's sac bunting pace this season, because it feels as if he's on pace to break a Yankee record.
Anyone just hear that guy go 'I AM SO EXCITED!' when they showed Papelbon and Saito on ESPN?
What the fuck was that, Jetes?
the Captain has not looked good tonight
This might be the worst game Ive ever seen Jeter have offensively.
Captain Blind…
Ach. Terrible AB from the Cap'n
Jeter 0'fers. Great.
why would this guy throw anything but junk on a 1-2?
jeet shoulda nailed that first pitch, terrible strikeout.
Love Jetes, but, 0-4 so far, Gardner able to steal, Melky hit 2 scorchers, why give an out and "hope" Jetes gets a hit?
and you swing like a fastball is coming…
That sac bunt is looking even worse now! Why the fuck wouldnt' you just let Gardner steal?
Cause it was over managing.
cmon johnny we need a hit here badly
Jeter has looked completely lost this game. Terrible swings at balls.
Jeter 0-5 with 5 LOB
STEAL! Worse comes to worse you have 2-3-4 vs papelshit.
I have a feeling that Damon will punch one over Lowell's head to score Gardy.
need teixeira up here.. dont need a damon miracle.
I would sell a vital organ for a hit here…not one of my organs, mind you…
Damon's 2nd pitch swing looked baaaaad. Not a good sign.
his swing and misses kind of always looks bad, especially those weak hacks at outside pitches
Sutcliffe is an idiot. Why the fuck would Gardner try to steal 3rd now with 2 outs and a LHB up.
Fight Johnny, gotta get Tex up with men on.
send Gardner … worst case Damon starts off the 9th
here comes junk in the dirt…
i was wrong, same result. ugh
That foul ball just made my heart leap into my sternum. It hurts.
Is it me, or are the Yankees starting to cool off a bit offensively–A-Rod, Jeter, Cano…
why didnt gardner steal BEFORE melky bunted?
also, rivera should come in for the 8th no matter what…if we score the run and tie it, or to keep the lead at just 1…
alas, that will never happen…
Shit, this is looking bad.
hmm… francona just ate gum off of a dirty surface, and Damon is not clutch…
i hope you're joking with the Damon is not clutch thing, because he has been godlike so far this year. If you've followed the yanks at all, you wouldn't complain about Johnny D here. He homered an inning or two ago also.
With the ump calling shit way out there, can you blame him for swinging?
No but we can blame some bad manager calls. A guy with great speed should try to steal so that a bunt could move the guy to 3rd.
nah, just shitty they didn't score.
Tex against Papelbon? I like it.
Papel vs. Al, I am excited to say the least.
Holy fucking mother fucker, there goes the game
game ends in the 8th now?
Special Bean Town rules. Games shall be played for nine innings or until the collective Blood Alcohol level of the attending public equals 0.9. I believe the current alcohol level is at 0.88953.
No. The fourth. Wy are you still watching?
3-4-5 against a closer who's been shaky. I like those odds.
i know i'm being pessimistic, but arod and cano have 0fers going, and tex can't homer every at bat.
All these solo HR's, but guys get on base and fucking nothing.
Awful. Just awful. To strikeout and I'm still steamed about the bunt.
To = two
Again, with all the strikes called way, way, way outside to lefties, can you blame Damon for swinging?
No. That's why the bunt is the move that pissed me off.
Whatever, we have the hottest hitter on the planet leading off next inning against papsmear. I'll take our chances.
don't start wang, we're probably winning… he hasnt been useful all year.
What waste! First, you put in Grit Gardner for Swisher, yet he hasn't stolen a base. Gardner is your designated base stealer/pinch runner. Give him the f*cking green light to steal. Nope, lets just bunt him over to 2nd and give an out to the opponent that you're trailing. Jeter strikes out, as does Damon. Girardi is not maximizing Gardner right now and that's a shame. I guess he doesn't value outs.
All Jeter or Damon needed was a single and this game would be tied
Yeah, Jeter hasn't played well the entire game, and Okajima is tough on lefties.
Papelbon should just walk Tex to leadoff the inning.
What'd you guys think of Hughes? I was in a bar, but I left immediately after Youkilis hit one out.
That one pitch was a mistake. Otherwise, he looked fine to me.
I had an earlier post about how Posada called the game all night. He did Wanger and Hughes a dis-service tonight.
All in all, it's obvious everytime Phil steps on mound now that he is so talented. I just want him to put it all together.
Well, that was clinic in how to waste a lead off walk. Not that it would likely be a popular clinic, but sheesh…I get bunting (sort of) and I get pinch running Gardner, but why do both? Surely it's a one or other type of thingy, no?
steal then bunt is what would have been the move there. or just leave Swisher in and bunt.
Thanks for giving away an out Joe. And thank you for the pointless substitution.
Okajima is pretty slow to the plate, no? With Gardner's speed, it would've taken A LOT to get him out, correct? Why the fuck did they bunt? Ugh. This is gonna piss me off to no end.
cause all girardi does is play fucking small ball and overmanage the shit out of every close game.
Anyone assuming the Melkster wanted to bunt is nuts. We saw Jeter try to bunt a High FB the other day on the first pitch. Maybe bunting when you're not a bunter isn't so hot. A sac is a sac, Melk got the job done. Don't tell me he should've waited for Grit to run.
disagree, with the last part especially. it wasn't melky's fault, it was girardi's
Dunno if you are being sarcastic, but Melky got his job done. He moved the runner over. That's what Joe sent him up there to do, hence the Sac.
i'm not being sarcastic. joe shouldn't have bunted melky at all IMO.
True I agree. I just don't understand people bashing Melky for not waiting when his Manager told him to get the runner to second. Makes no sense.
I think people are more pissed about the bunt itself.
yea, i misread your last sentence
Yes, he should've waited. The Yankees absolutely wasted an out right there. You have the fastest runner on your team on first with a pitcher who's slow to the plate on the mound and you're down by one. Why in the hell wouldn't you send the runner?
Sooooo Melky, with the bunt sign on, which I'm assuming, should wait to go down 0-2?
no, gardner should have went early on
The bunt sign shouldn't have been on period.
Exactly. That's why I don't understand the displeasure with Melky. He is Mr. Gamewinner, bunting was the last thing on his mind.
I'm not unhappy with Melky. I'm unhappy with Girardi. If he was in a favorable count once Gardner got to second, I'd want him to swing away. If it was 0-1 or maybe even 1-1, I'd have no problem with him bunting. But if it was 1-0 or 2-0 or 2-1, I'd want him swinging. Alas…
Well, hope this means we bomb that bum Papelbon!
i love these no names who can reach the wall… that should be an out… but they play in the pussiest stadium in the world!!!
goes both ways
this fing guy again really really whats next another nick green bomb beyond frustrated right now
don't yell at aceves either, he has been absolutely great.
ugh this better not be the type of game we give up a run here in the 8th & then homer off papelbon in the 9th and lose by a run.
wonder if any of Sutcliffe's team mates jumped him and beat the shit out of him for being an idiot.
The bunt was actually not the move considering it's rare you play to tie on the road. Plus, Jeet had been slumping. I would have preferred the hit and run. Did not like just giving up an out there. Play for the big inning but create movement in the infield by starting the runner.
Will anyone talk about the "jewel" they call fenway park giving the scrub a cheap double?
Aceves: Este jodio pinche de mierda! Pendejo gringo.
Posada: Tranquilo. Tirale por el plato a este cabron!
Jeter: Yeah…what he said.
and scene.
everyone else
It is so stupid that YES does a poll on the Most Valuable Player of the game in the eighth inning. Especially when it's a close game like this one.
I vote for Mo.
completely agree.
but the sponser
Sutcliffe just said Pedroia is "a little bit short of that".
odds Papass pulls a Mo from Saturday?
Even money
You know it's bad when Aceves is giving up doubles to Kottaras…
22hr in 400AB in AAA last year
I don't want to fixate on this, but people who claim the manager doesn't make a huge difference I can get behind, but people who say he makes no difference, I would offer up tonight's top of the 8th as a counter argument.
funny, they called that a strike on Cano…
so now thats a ball ugh whatever
I can't stand watching Drew bat.
he bats I thought he just stood there and took walks
F U man! lol
big spot, lets go Gangster
huge ab here
I am just tired of seeing Gardner come into situations such as the one in the eighth and not steal. If Gardner steals second then there is no need for Melky to bunt. A hit scores the run. Three chances to get him in. Instead, Joe gives away an out and also loses Swishers bat if this game goes to extras or if the Yankees get to his spot in the lineup.
just doesn't make any sense why even pinch run
1 out and 2 men on for a guy with a .500 OBP…pretty good set up Aceves! Thanks!
If this AB ends with youk lying unconscious in the batters box i'll willingly forfeit the rest of the game.
That'll work too.
A-Squared Wins… unless ump screws it up… like usual
Is it me, or does it seem like posada doesnt frame pitches… that if he did could be called a strike
i noticed that last night with some pitches. also not doing a great job of blocking pitches this year. ill take the offense tho
not just you, he's been especially bad today
Maybe He's afraid A-Rod will tip his pitch
a base hit from youkilis here & there will be plenty more francesa rants tommorrow about joba to the pen & youkilis being the toughest out in the majors
there will be rants regardless. Aceves put 2 guys on base, TWO GUYS ON BASE! JOBA IS LOCKDOWN!
Come on Mexcian Gangster! You got this!
ur damn right he does
Please pound Papelfuck.
francesa is a joke, does he change his mind alot on purpose…. or is it alzheimers?
send pena dammit, lets not count on a homerun or consecutive hits to win/tie
my gameday is messed up, for a minute there it showed youkilis having a 5-2 count.
Is it going too far to observe Papelbon represents everything problematic and troubling in Western civilization?
if the yankees dont at least tie, they will get swept tomorrow.
No, they won't at all. CC vs Penny. I like our chances
Here's where Papelbon shuts down the heart of our order and I don't hear the end of it tomorrow.
And people wonder why I'm bitter and angry a lot…
Al go this. He loves taking Paps to the right center BP.
I would give anything for papsmear to get bombed here
I will give my left hand up if we can beat Papsmear in the top of the 9th. Please.
no, but i'm pretty sure papelbon will blow this like pedroia's brother and a little boy….
not cool
No one thinks that's funny.
i had to…
No, you didn't.
No, you didn't. You can think of a better way to get your point across.
Totally uncool. Jokes about child molestation are not funny. Ever.
really not cool.
jokes about pedroia and his brother are perfectly fine…
No. They're not. Please stop.
Correct me if I'm wrong, you also used the term "Jap." C'mon man.
Haters in the house… might as well be red sox fans.
garbage. Race and children are off limits in any forum.
grow some balls.
That means a lot, coming from such a dignified figure such as yourself. One day, when you are a big boy, you will learn that some things are just not a joking matter.
might as well be banned
I hope Gardner was watching Pena there.
that outside lefty zone keeps creeping further out
thats a strike to teixeira, but not Drew?
I hate Papelbon. Legitimately.
Honestly, on a personal level, I don't mind Lowell or Ortiz or Franonca…but I pure…straight…HATE Papelfuck, Varitek, Pedroia, Youkilis, Beckett, and Ellsbury.
god this ump is all ova the place
When is the last time Tex took a bad AB?
can you believe tex is almost hittin 300 after his atrocious april?
Man, this umpire sucks ass. That first pitch strike was ridicufuckingiculous.
true, but he's not why we lost. Yes, Jobawockeez, it WAS Wang's fault on this one.
Take a look at Wang's gameday – he had many, many, many, many low strikes called balls.
I'll blame the umpire.
Really? Wang gave up 3 ER with one unearned due to Swish. We scored 5 runs. Yeah it's Wang's fault.
Blame the ump?
well, that was the game. Needed Tex to get on. 0-7 against Boston.
Seems logical.
i'm getting nauseous thinking about 0-7.
This is a mismatch… ALex cant turn on Papelbum
make them eat that chant
I would tatoo Papelbon on my forhead if the yanks could win this game.
Nice chant.
Nice job by the Boston fans to point out the obvious.
Cano comes up with 2 out – game over. Totally unclutch.
yea, he is a bit unclutch unfortunately. But i won't complain about him.. he helped carry us when we were down in april
What are they chanting?
you did steroids
Here's Arod…with another disappointment…what a shocker…
You were saying?
AXL!!! Your powers! They're wearing off!
What are the Sox fans chanting?
You use steroids
Sutcliffe says Red Sox fans are special for chanting YOU USED STEROIDS.
Hey who just got suspended for 50 games?
Arod hears disparaging chats in his own stadium, this is nothing new.
Wow i cant blieve this assholes in boston "You use steroids"
the one flaw with teixeira is that he almost never goes the opposite way with outside pitches when he's batting from the left side as evidence from that ground ball… he is a much more complete batter from the right side too bad their arent more lefty pitchers
Chant "You do Steroids"
That was his pitch, shit.
Full count. Gulp.
home run…
All right. We'll take it.
Mike was right again
walk is as good as a single…
hey, he got on base. How awesome would a homer have been there though?
Odds that Arod tries to steal 2nd base?
I knew Pena was going to come in
Nice AB A-Rod.
Maybe Girardi will have Cano bunt…
this blows.
…nah. But what the fuck is this? They'll lose the bat for the rest of the game when you have a slumping hitter at the plate and a runner who isn't that much faster than A-Rod at 1st. Odds are Pena never sees the plate. Micromanaging, micromanaging I say!
id say at this point Pena is faster than Arod.
In the dirt…strike 3 on Cano? Oh yeah…you betcha…
Seriously? Ban this troll, please.
dammit, we're fucked
Pena needs to steal here.
Nice call.
Why is Pena not stealing? This is retarded.
pena steal? sounds like trouble….
gutsy move kid
Fucking Pedroia with the great backup.
Now we get a steal………….
Pedroia you fucking bastard.
Pena steals Gardy sits. ugh. Let's tie this bitch.
good thing the catcher sucks…
Thank god.
come on canooooooooo
I'm sorry but how is that a "great play?" Isn't that what the 2B is supposed to do? The 12 year olds I umpire for make that play.
Come on dontcha know
Terrible. Absolutely terrible in clutch situations.
we're set up here.. too bad its jonathon fucking papelbon
2nd place. Fuck!
get used to it…if we keep playing like this…
Fcuking Cano. Come on man.
Why are they swinging at pitches that are at their shoulders?
Don Orsillo is yelling…Cano strikes out like I called (like I usually do)…
I wanna stab somebody…
I hate the Orsillo yell. Awful.
0-2, throw cano 4 straight balls, no where close to the zone, he'll swing at one of them.
Robbie, Robbie, Robbie. What I wouldn't give for you to have a little more plate discipline.
Great job Cano.
I miss that one week of disciplined Robbie.
Great time for Cano to break out a K.
that was what we call a ball, robbie
Who knows what that was with this umpire.
That pitch didn't look too bad.
If Posada walks, Pap will make Matsui look sfoolish.
A team that goes 2 – 14 with risp shouldn't win games.
Girardi's move in the 8th was frustrating but those figures right there are the reason for the loss.
Damn that sucks!
god this zone is out there
we need a single thats it
This ump is RETARDED.
thats a strike… to anyone thats not a red sox, i finally see it… thought i was missing something.
you are missing something.
Horseshit strike…not even close…Eckersley even said it…
I'd love to see the aerial view of all these outside strikes they're getting.
Oooh, plate discipline! A novel concept!
wow that was a bullshit call to make up for the first 2
Would the Yankee ever think about selling high on Cano? Seriously, how much higher can his ceiling get? This is what he is.
yup 26 year olds never improve
that looked kinda low posada.
should be a 5-0 count right here…
Here comes the famous strike 3 call against the Yankees to end the game where Don Orsillo starts screaming and yelling…I hate him so much
Posada: 1-7, 2B v. Paps
Matsui: 0-6
Make that 1-8.
Pena wouldve been better off staying at 1st. Once he made it to 2nd he was in scoring position so for sure you knew the Yankees werent going get a hit.
Michael Kay is a piece of shit.
I'd tend to agree that losing 7 in a row to a team and going 2-15 with RISP is being dominated.
You tend to enjoy your announcer calling the last out of a loss as happily as he calls the last out of a win? If that's the case, we just have a differing opinion. I like for my announcer to at least have a part of the feeling that I have after a loss.
Damn, he put a good swing on it.
eh not really, thats a lazy fly ball to LF anywhere else.
Yankees will get swept tomorrow. They can't beat Boston.
Because Brad Penny is 10x better than CC Sabathia.
Well Penny isn't very good, but we aren't playing very well. So I don't know you tell me.
No because the Yankees will make Penny look like Cy Young. They couldn't hit Wakefield, struggle against Okajima, and barely touched Papelbon.
Keep telling your self that.
Where is proof they won't? Because CC is pitching? They don't excactly provide run support for him.
Just when I think this team has rounded the bend…they make sure to embarrass themselves
cant hit a 5,000 square foot wall?
cue the douchebag trolls.
too many runners left on.
This umpire had money on the game. I can't think of another excuse for that sorry fucking excuse for a strike zone.
Send that asshole to the independent leagues to umpire.
Love the excuse, bud. But you can really think of a better excuse than the ump sucked.
Just accept the fact that Wang is brutal. Is it so hard? Why do you need conspiracy theories?
WTF is there deal
The depth of the bullpen was the difference, Sutcliffe? lol, where do they find these people?!
Did he SERIOUSLY say that?
We get em tomorrow.
this is just bad at this point. only one game out but these games against the soxs can come back to haunt us at the end of the year. gotta salvage the series tomorrow and maybe get more than 2 2/3's out of CC
0-7. They should be fcuking embarrassed. No moral victories. Just another loss, and now a game out of 1st place.
But wait. They play another game tomorrow right? No worries then. Everything is great.
And they'll play the next day, and the next day, and the day after that. Not the next day, but then they'll play another, and then another…
I appreciate the optimism.
But seriously, going 0-7 against the team that is going to give you the most competition in your division is really deflating.
Yup. You're right. I'm sure you were saying the same thing last year up until game number 162 right? Then the story switched to they'll start a whole new season and set of games in 2009, and that's where we are today.
As Greg Schiano would say, keep choppin.
Yes, that's exactly what happens. It's what happens every season. They play just about every day until they reach 162 games. Shockingly, they'll win some of them.
Watching this team play against the Sox really makes you wonder how they've played so well against virtually everybody else.
We cannot say the Yanks are a truly dangerous team until they show that they can hang with their peers.
Very frustrating. Wins are wins, no matter who you play, but I can't help feel that each loss to Boston diminishes what they've been accomplishing lately.
This loss goes on Posada
Disagree. Jeter and Cano went 0 for 10.
That's an attempt at humor, right? Because I'd say all the hitless Yankees should top the blame list before Posada, who went deep.
0 and 7. That is quite the frustrating statistical improbability the Yanks and Red Sox have going on
I'll try positivity: It'll even out right around the ALCS! (?)
At least there is still the Wild Card. LOL sorry had to go there. CC will prevent the sweep. Unless of course Penny pitches a shutout for Boston….
11 hits with Jeter and Cano going 0-10 leaving a ton of guys on base and looking stupid.
i'm gonna vent now.. THE YANKEES FUCKIN SUCK. WE CAN BEAT THE SHITTY TEAMS BUT 0 FOR FUCKING 7 AGAINST THE GODDAMN RED SOX. ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? WANG SUCKS, PUT HUGHES BACK IN THE ROTATION. That's enough of his horseshit he calls "pitching". He's too weak minded to get through this, and he has no sense of location anymore. Bad, bad loss, we better fucking win tommorow.
And of course making Wang come back into form isn't worth it.
And Boston isn't a shitty team so I don't know what argument you're making there.
I know you're venting but still. Calm down about Wang.
Gah, too bad. Well, the Yankees are one game back of first on June 10. I like their chances to come back.
We need more of those shitty teams to beat up on.
Girardi, let Gardner steal a base much like you let Pena steal one. PLEASE!!!!!
Paplebon, like all closers, are very slow to the plate
i'm taking CC as tomorrow's player of the game, Win.
Sorry Mike, but not even DotF can make me feel better today. Fuck. How many games will we make errors in? Whether they are in the field or mental errors on the base paths, it's not winning baseball. We went from no mistakes, to one per.
This game had nuttin to do wit errors, the yanks couldn't get a big hit in RISP and CMW put the yanks in a deep hole.
Deep hole? 4 runs is nothing. We're against Wakefield! We should get 4 runs an inning!
I love how Wang is getting the blame when Hughes also gave up a 2 run homer or how Swish dropped the ball.
It's a combination of bad hitting, errors, and bad pitching which isn't 100 percent on Wang.
There was no error tonight?
you wouldn't "call" Swish's 2 plays in the 2nd inning an error?
Well the technical definition does not apply, he misplayed it but I get the point you're trying to make, just sloppy play yet again
Wow this is disgusting to watch. This is painful to say but the yankees are now the red sox's bitch! As much as I love CC, who here would be surpised if they get swept?
Fuck that. We are no ones bitch. Give me good pitching, give me a win.
This panic is ridiculous. Rivera blew a lead on a game we had won up until the last out of the ninth inning. It's safe to say that's more or less an anomaly. In the game where Varitek hit a grand slam, Burnett threw strike three, but the umpire ruled it as ball four, which loaded the bases instead of ending the inning. The umpire tonight was a fool and may have cost us the game when he called a strike on the clear ball four to Damon, which would have loaded the bases for Teixeira.
There is not one good reason to be overly worried about this team right now. Fact is the Yanks look and play better than they have in a while, even if Wang isn't his usual self. Before Burnett's meltdown yesterday, he held the Rangers to three runs over 13 innings.
Really? A player of the game from the losing team? Really??
That's ridiculous and totally stupid
DFA everyone.
This game can be blamed on two things. Wang and management for putting his rehab crap ahead of actually winning.
He should be in Scranton getting his innings. Not here to get pounded and abused.
Giving games away is not something teams with championship aspirations do.
Of course the crappy clutch hitting, Hughes giving up a 2 run shot, and bad defense had no factor to this game.
I'm Ron Burgundy?
i'd rather see Wang win every award in Triple-A than have his original 4 ERA in the MLB. One more game Wang, lose to nationals, you're gone, good luck.
I hate CMW. He should just get his ass back to Taiwan.
I think you've won most ignorant post today.
And there's been some pretty stiff competition
Definitely not. The dude who thought a Pedroia's brother joke was funny is much more ignorant.
You wouldn't say that if you knew half what's on my mind and my position…
Papelbon's strike zone.
There are no words for how horrendous that umpiring job was.
Agreed – That plot says it all!
that's Wang's, he had 8 IN the strike zone called balls, 4 borderline that with this ump should have been strkes
That umpire was un-fucking-believable. They might as well let my golden retriever call the game.
How can you be disappointed with your team when they're 34-18 against the major leagues? When they're 0-7 against your most hated rivals.
This game just hurts badly!
It's not simply that they're 0 -7, it's that they've found, in these 7 losses, all sorts of ways to not win. It'd be silly to panic at this point, there's just waaaay too much baseball left, even against the Sox. But I think it'd be sticking your head in the sand to deny their record — and their quality of play — against this team is now officially worrisome.
I don't get it. So many mistakes…Swisher fly ball non-catch, Wang's walks, Gardner not stealing while Melky bunts, and on. I just don't get it.
I know everyone's pissed at Wang but…the HR from Youkilis was the difference in the game. Hughes made that pitch. Not Wang. I think Hughes looked great tonight…except for that pitch, which happened to be the difference in the game.
Jeter 0-5, 5LOB is also the difference in the game
No, the difference in the game was Wang's horrible 2 2/3 innings.
Look at the link a few posts up, 8 pitches that were definate strikes called balls, 4 more that were right there. That's 12 pitches, somehow I think that makes a huge difference in tonight's game
That's completely biased based on past outings. He gave up 4 runs! 3 ER I believe! Putting the whole damn blame on him makes no god damn sense WHEN THE WHOLE TEAM didn't do anything save for Teix. Seriously this is aggravating.
You're aggravating. He pitched a whopping 2 2/3, 3 runs in less than 3 innings is HORRIBLE. Same way Burnett was horrible and cost the Yankees the game last night, Wang did the same shit tonight, again.
I still fail to see how he lost us the game if the bullpen was perfect WE WOULD HAVE WON.
There is absolutely no blame for Hughes giving up his homer. It's a fucking team effort for not hitting, for making stupid decisions, for doing stupid baserunning, for playing bad defense and for bad pitching WHICH IS NOT ALL WANG'S FAULT!
Of course he was bad but a good of a team like the Yankees should pick him up! They should be scoring 6-8 runs an inning against Wakefield!
You expect the bullpen to be perfect for 6 1/3 innings?????? WTF kind of thinking is that!! The fact that Girardi in the 1st inning when it was still only 1-0 Red Sox had the bullpen active already tells you all you have to know about the confidence the team has in Wang. How the hell can you start a pitcher who you have so little confidence in that at 1-0 in the 1st inning you already have the bullpen warming up?????
Wang right now since he is out of options needs to be the long man/6th starter and be buried next to Veras in the bullpen. Simple as that.
Yet people expect perfection out of Wang.
Ball 1!?!!? WTF TAKE HIM OUT
Strike out.. got lucky
Ground ball.. got lucky
WALK!?! Give me the Phranchise
Hughes comes in
Ball 1….
After the game
Get rid of Wang!
Do I expect the bullpen to go perfect in 6 and a third innings. Of course not. Were you expecting Wang to go a full 6 or 7 innings with 0 run ball? Of course not. So why call for his head after 3 ER when the whole team failed to win!!!! I don't get why this is a hard concept to grasp. Very little posts about Swisher, Hughes or in general the Yankee offense today compared to the Wang posts.
And I'm going to agree that Wang should be the 6th starter/long man. AFTER his outing against the Nationals. He won't be magically fixed after 2 ML starts on an 80 pitch limit. Do people want pre 2009 Wang or not? Because I'd love to have another dominant pitcher. The only way that will happen if Wang PITCHES. If he sucks against the Nationals then put him in the bullpen.
Give him the damn opportunity and at the end of the season his numbers will be back to respectability.
Wang gave up 4 runs. The Yankees scored 5. If Hughes didn't give up the two run homer…
I'm not saying Wang did even marginally well, he didn't, but the difference in the game was the Youkilis homer given up by…Phil Hughes. It was his lone mistake of the game and it was a big one.
the real red flag is the variety of viable options we have on whom to peg the loss
I dont think its fair to say Hughes 2 runs were worse then Wang but i see your point. The offense today was facing Wakefield and they knew we had Wang going, they were horrible with RISP, Jeter did nothing at top of the order, Cano did nothing.
It was a team effort to lose
Exactly. IT WAS A TEAM EFFORT.
It's not all fucking Wang's fault and this irrational thinking is incredibly stupid. It's a fucking scapegoat so you can vent you're anger on one guy. Vent your anger on the whole damn team if you're going to vent.
Word. I'm just trying to spread the blame all around rather than concentrate it.
The Wang hate is ridiculous.
He outpitched Burnett. Heck, Hughes didn't do his fucking job, either.
False. The Wang hate is extremely rational.
I think if 9 of us got together and put on Red Sox uniforms we could beat the Yankees. If we had any other uniform we'd lose 50-0, but if we put on Red Sox uniforms the Yankees would find a way to lose the game to us.
I can only play 1st or 3rd though, not enough range to play any other position….
Utley puts the Phils up 5-4 in the 11th on a HR down the RF line.
Against Parnell too
This is why I hate espn, after 5 mins of sawx>> Yanks they are going to tell us what is wrong with Pujols
Why dwell on this game? Anything that can take espn's attention away from Boston tonight is a god-send.
If ESPN isn't doing a half hour special on the Red Sox beating us I'll take it.
15 mins special on how Ramon Ramirez is lights out
But CMW is a starting pitcha!!!!!
Food for thought. 88 Mets record vs 88 Dodgers: 10-1
Impossible, its June and they're 0-7, we need to give up now
Hold on, you mean there are more games to be played? Is it true that they play tomorrow?
At this point, even the Taiwanese people aren't going to want to associate themselves with this bullpen killing corpse.
I don't want to see Wang make another start even though the next one is likely gonna be against the Nationals. Do the brave thing Cashman! Admit to yourself the futility of saving Wang's, and look forward to the future. Insert Phil Hughes.
Futility of saving Wang? So you don't want a past 19 game winner back and would rather have this crap pitcher?
Regardless of lineup , Wang will get hammered if all he's got is a pretty but straight 95 mph FB. This guy is done. We could mitigate his ineffectiveness by sticking him in the 'pen.
And no John Flaherty – it doesn't always get better!! its called life.
You call it ineffectiveness, I call it the ump missing 12 strikes by Wang tonight
Hughes is a crap pitcher???? Hughes tonight, and this season, is Tom Seaver compared to Wang.
BBAL. JobaWock is referring to Wang when he says "crap pitcher".
Crap pitcher = Wang in my post.
Yeah sorry about that!!! We may disagree but my bad for misinterpreting your post.
Here's a Taiwanese, and you have my vote!
This panic is ridiculous. Rivera blew a lead on a game we had won up until the last out of the ninth inning. It's safe to say that's more or less an anomaly. In the game where Varitek hit a grand slam, Burnett threw strike three, but the umpire ruled it as ball four, which loaded the bases instead of ending the inning. The umpire tonight was a fool and may have cost us the game when he called a strike on the clear ball four to Damon, which would have loaded the bases for Teixeira.
There is not one good reason to be overly worried about this team right now. Fact is the Yanks look and play better than they have in a while, even if Wang isn't his usual self. Before Burnett's meltdown yesterday, he held the Rangers to three runs over 13 innings.
I actually feel bad for Wang. Can you imagine having a child right now with all this going on? Hopefully he shakes off the baseball stuff and appreciates what's going on in his family life.
I'm gonna pray for the guy to have a strong start against the Nationals next week. Would hate to see his Yankee career end like this with all the potential and talent he has.
Blaming the umpires is funny!
He was the one forcing Jeter, Damon, Cano, Posada, and others to swing and the first pitch from Wakefield.
He was also the one who forced Wang to go 2-0 on 45% of the batters he faced.
He was also the one who forced the weak ground outs and pop ups with RISP.
Face it, the Yankees are a lock for the Wild Card and can only hope the Red Sox get beat up by Tampa and Toronto.
Sox or 7-0 against the yanks and only lead one game.
Yanks WILL win this division trust me.
"He was also the one who forced Wang to go 2-0 on 45% of the batters he faced"
Count the green INSIDE the box, thats 8 missed strikes, and with this ump some of those others should be strikes too
At the end of the day, how many of us would have signed up for taking a game out of Boston and being tied for 1st at this point in the year.
Papelbon threw 21 pitches and had more balls than k's (11-10)
Yanks really should of let him pay for that.
ill steal the other poster's link, but its tough to make him pay when he gets those calls outside and high
Dude's been living dangerously. Hope the correction is coming.
All of you who are bad mouthing Phil are retards. Just look at the box score. The Red Sux scored every inning until he came into the game. He made one bad pitch and that was it. Hopefully he gets the start over CMW next time. 2 things lost this game for us… 1. Jeter sucking ass 2. And the umps crazy wide strike-zone.
No one is bad mouthing Phil. But he deserves SOME of the blame of us losing. The whole team lost and they receive all the blame for losing.
Wang =/= 2009 Yankees
Wang deserves more blame than Phil but still the whole team is to blame for us losing. The ump was BS but the offense save for the home runs was atrocious today.
I'm guessing Wang gets the start next go 'round. I think it's going to be against the Nats. What happens if he bombs then?
One positive to take away from this. Fatcessa will finally shut the hell up about Joba to the pen. I hope he understands that Joba is our 2nd best starter right now. In a big game I would take him over AJ, Pettitte or Wang/Hughes.
That will never happen, he has a new philosphy.
It's not about Joba being a bad starter, its about the bullpen being bad
Or its about the Red Sox bullpen being the greatest of all time. Can he even name anyone other than Papsmear and Delcarmen? Probably not.
Hunter Jones and Bowden are his favorite 'flamethrowers'
He's not a Delcarmen guy, doesnt show up in big spots
How many bad starts until it just becomes who he is this year? I have loved Wanger for his whole career but at a certain point you have to cut your losses. I just want to know when that point is.
After the Nationals.
Yeah, if he struggles against them (like I said, I'm having a bad image of a huge HR from Dunn), then put Hughes back in the rotation.
i think of the platinum sombrero for Dunn
Dunn =/= Alex Rios.
Next Year
Will you say that when he is in line to start against Boston in August?
Most likely no because if Wang is in line to start in August, it probably means he's righted himself.
I'm just at a loss as to what has happened to Wang. It doesn't seem to be the stuff. Is it command, confidence or has the league just figured out that he can only throw one pitch for strikes assuming he throws one?
It was the command. Walked to many people then threw in meatballs in an attempt for strikes. Really command is the only pitching issue for the Yankees this year.
I can tell you've just "loved" his whole career. lol. I've loved his whole career, I think you've just loved the games he's won. There is a difference.
haha Fatcessa.
first time you heard it?
Hughes NEEDS to start the next game. Wang needs to stay in the pen where he can bring it without having to hold back. If he doesn't like that then I'm sure there is some poor team out there looking for a former ace. And we need Pen help and bench help. Lets dangle him and see who bites.
Ha, lets dangle Wang.
If you were GM what would you give up?
No contending team wants him
No rebuilding team wants his 5m and arbitration when they dont want know they're getting, not to mention giving up pieces
This is the critical part. They don't know what they are getting and neither do we. Why do we not know what we are going to get out of our projected #2 starter?
I'm a fan of Wang (yea i said it) so I dont want to trade him, but even if I did there's no value. He said 'bench help' but wtf is that, ramiro pena? what kind of bullpen arm are you getting?
They're going to try to work him out in the rotation, eventually if he doesnt he'll be the long arm in the bullpen and sit there all season. They wont even go to arb next year, he'll get what 5.5m tops, they'll send him to some winter league, get his confidence up, come back to ST to battle for 5th starter.
No one, and I mean no one, would give anything of value for Wang right now.
Damn. I didn't know he held it back today. Thanks for that insight.
Most of my anger is derived from Fatty but I see it on here occasionally. Philly has a 5.3 ERA. We all know about the Joba man with his "average 3.5ish ERA," but this disgust with Wanger, after the way he's been mishandled just isn't right. Go ahead and boo, in your eyes, it's only a positive when he "proves" you wrong. Wang will be there. Velocity is up every game. It should be baby steps yet he is making strides in terms of his stuff. With AJ many say 80 Million!!!!1 With Wang it's just, send him to AAA/don't pitch him. I don't get it.
You know just how important this game was to people, the game was over half an hour ago and people are still heated and online.
It's not one game, it's 7. It's also that we arent the same team that we've been watching the past 2 months.
Well, to put a bright side onto things, the Yankees have lost 7 games to their main competition this year and are only a game behind them with 102 games left to play. Like I said earlier, I like their chances to make that "deficit" up.
Ohhh Hell yes. If I didn't believe in our team I probably wouldn't watch. I think we are the best team in the world. However, it is obvious, with less than 6 innings out of our starters and only 5 runs out of our offense in 2 games. This is not the Yankee team we've been watching as of late.
Nah man I aint heated, just bored!! Now if CC loses to Penny tomorrow night, watch out…..
Its not that this single game was that important. Its just 1 of the 162. Its more the fact that with every loss to the most hated rival in your sport, it gets harder to take as a fan.
We've never been through anything like this before. This was a team that we used to own. They were the mentally weak team who could never do anything to beat us in a big spot. Now it feels like that the tide has turned fully in their favor. They keep shitting on us and we haven't done enough to fight back and respond.
I guess we just gotta keep rooting and hoping it turns around.
What I would do right now
-DFA Berroa aka worthless piece of shit
-Call up Shelly, see how that works out
-If it doesnt seek out some right handed power hitters to pinch hit
-Give Hughes his job back as a starter, Wang clearly isn't mechanically stable.
-Make some room for Melancon and use D-rob more often
Man you really, really hate Berroa!!!!
I hate bench players that don't do anything I mean he never pinch runs, pinch hits, he just occasionally in the 9th inning of a blow out will play 3rd for Arod.
"If it doesnt seek out some right handed power hitters to pinch hit"
Where are you getting RH power?
Teixera just gave me an erection. I don't have his exact quotes but they were something to the effect of… "if you don't think you can comeback you shouldn't be playing", "We can't think we're going to throw out gloves out there and win." I mean you hear about the makeup and a lot of the time its overrated. Its everything its cracked up to be with this guy.
Aw man. Hopefully PeteAbe has some audio. Would love to hear that. Exactly what I need right now. That and a fifth of Johnnie Black.
What I would like for tommorrow is for C.C. to go 9 and finish with a fist-pump and some expletives.
Eiland said just now that Wang's arm slot, while fine in the bullpen, is "all over the place" in games. "He has to take what he does in the bullpen onto the field," Eiland said. "I know I've said that before."
Dude, its your freaking job to help him bring that into the game. Obviously there is a disconnect from the bullpen onto the field, and you get freaking paid to figure it out!!! You have one fcuking job, and that's to help the pitchers prepare and make sure they're ready for work.
He's fiyad!!11
Dude, I pitched at the college level(Many hitter's owe their careers to me lol) but it doesn't matter many times what you do in the bullpen. It's mostly about you. Only guys like Dave Duncan do reclamation projects. Eiland's job is to get him right in between his starts. After that, it's up to Wang.
Ron Guidry was able to get to Wang and make him successful. Eiland hasn't been able to. I agree that most of it is on Wang, but we've seen very little to no improvement. Eiland has to take some blame for this.
I'm still waiting for my apology from everyone…
I've predicted literally everything…large sample sizes (games)…small sample sizes (at bats)…
Your Prophet is here…
Don't worry…I forgive easily.
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- a structure built for permanent use, as a house, factory, etc..
- Gaynor (10.2km)
- park;
- an area, often of forested land, maintained as a place of beauty, or for recreation.
- Fir Creek Recreation Area (1.7km)
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Airports close to Soda Springs Campground
Snohomish co(PAE), Everett, Usa (112.2km)
Boeing fld king co international(BFI), Seattle, Usa (121.7km)
Seattle tacoma international(SEA), Seattle, Usa (126.3km)
Whidbey island nas(NUW), Whidbey island, Usa (156.2km)
Mc chord afb(TCM), Tacoma, Usa (159km)


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Hotel space and accommodations for your wedding at a glance:
- Indoor capacity: Indoor capacity is 130 in our Ballroom
- Outdoor capacity: Outdoor capacity is about 200
- Offer large granite countertops in two sections of our ballroom
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Accommodates 30-130 guests
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Greatest JOY: helping others realize they are smarter, bolder, and stronger than they think they are.
Eight years ago--after four knee surgeries and six months on crutches--swimming, yoga, and cycling were Ed's only options to rebuild and maintain strength, mobility, and flexibility. Stationary biking bored him horribly. Then a buddy invited him to a Spin classes and he was hooked. The music, the intensity, the minimal knee impact, and the economy of burning lots of calories and pumping lots of blood in less than an hour. Awesome. Then an instructor suggested he teach classes. Now a Mad Dogg Athletics Certified Spin Instructor and Joyride-certified, Ed teaches classes with great music and great enthusiasm here at Joyride as frequently as his schedule allows. Ed owns brandtricity- a strategic marketing and branding firm. He and his wife, Kathryn, have 2 children and one Lucy, the labradoodle.
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Arby's Announces Venison Sandwiches to Be Served in Wyoming
As Arby's motto states "We Have The Meats." And not just beef, pork and chicken. Arby's has announced that they will be serving venison sandwiches nationwide on October 21st.
Now, some people might ask "what is venison?" It's deer steak, and it is only going to cost "a couple bucks."
The internet is blowing up with people excited to sample one of the venison sandwiches. And the comments online are hilarious and PUN-tastic.
The sandwich will be available nationwide, but only for a VERY limited time. As Arby's states "When we run out, we run out."
Last year Arby's tested the venison sandwich in select markets across the country. See a review of the sandwich from people who were fortunate enough to try one before they sold out.
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It is indeed a Forget-me-not, but the wild form rather than the overblown cultivated variety. It has probably escaped from a garden and reverted.
The seeds inside the fruit contain cyanide which make them rather bitter. We boil the fruit, then strain it through muslin to remove the seeds. The juice is then used to make a rather nice Jam. Can be a bit 'tannin' tasting for some folks, but I like it.
And the blackbirds adore the fruit, so we have to grow it in a fruit cage or we would get nothing.
Chokeberry is its common name by the way.
Oxalis pes-caprae aka Bermudan Buttercup (not West Indian nor a buttercup though) is one of the worst weeds worldwide. It seeds all over the place and it has tiny bulbs on the roots which detach when one pulls it out.
Sadly weedkiller is the only effective treatment.
And its seeds are almost impossible to kill, they can and do survive the heat used to make peat free compost, so you are importing it whenever you use that.
And mice adore them!
I think the worst part of having a dream like this is achieving it. I did and my plans used to give me something to mull over before going to sleep. Now I just lie there and worry about how we are going to keep the garden going. Hope you make your dream come true and live to enjoy it too!
We have no regrets about doing what we did here, the last 20 years of making and maintaining a garden have been everything we imagined and more.
If you can do it then do it.
Badgers dig much deeper holes, Believe me, my garden is under attack so I know what the damage they do looks like.
May one interject a word of warning here?
If you need to work full time to pay the mortgage on a property with a large garden then you do not have the time, normally, to do the work on the garden. Our young neighbours have discovered this and their half acre plot is rapidly going back to weed infested scrub, as they both work long hours to get enough money to live.
We managed with our 1 acre garden purely and simply because I was retired and could work on it full time.
Now we are both getting on and feeling less fit, this garden is beginning to be hard to maintain as well.
Sorry to be a bit negative, but it is something which always strikes me when watching these Move to the Country programmes on TV. Especially with folks who have never owned a large garden before.
Did read about some rather different shades of blue found in a wood in France one time, but not heard any more of it since.
British bluebells do not come in any other colour than blue, so it must be either a hybrid or Spanish.
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Lloyds Three Peaks - The team reach Scotland
They are now embarking on the 185 mile journey from Edinburgh Airport to Ben Nevis ahead of the climb.
The 3 Peaks challenge is well underway with all participants either in Scotland or on a plane on route. They have a tough 24 hours ahead of them and need all the help and support we can give them. Throughout the next 2 days I will be hoping to provide you all with photos and updates of their journey to aid with your own fundraising in your branches.
So far the 19 climbers have raised £20,535 for our amazing cause. This is a phenomenal effort and we hope with all of your help to have this over £25k by Friday. Please can you advise your LDOs of your running totals of fundraising throughout the day so I can also feed back to the walkers to urge them to keep going! The climb officially starts at 3pm this afternoon. We wish them all the best of Luck. Thank you for all your hard work with fundraising in advance.
The Team have reached Scotland!!
They are now embarking on the 185 mile journey from Edinburgh Airport to Ben Nevis ahead of the climb.
The Team have split into 2 ' The Dream Team' as they have named themselves ( the fast walkers) and Team 2 who are looking for a more leisurely pace.
The Faster walkers consist of Matt Baillie, Oliver Palmer, Matt Giles, James Shaeena, Ashley Crane, Richard Greenhalf, Kevin Powell, Kevin Whiteley and Clemmie Ede.
Team 2 consists of Jon Alabaster, Robbie Evans, Peter Jordan, Richard Constantine, Adrian Moore, Rachel Lowrey, Paul Meredith, Paul Moss, Chris Rees and Kevin Spencer
Which team will make it to the finish line first?! The Race is on!


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The Department of Communication is currently accepting fall applicants to their M.A. program. Fall applications are accepted through July. Apply early if you are seeking an assistantship.
If you are applying to the graduate program for Fall 2017, you may be eligible for one of three awards. Please scroll down to learn more.
Our Newest Graduate Cohort (Fall 2017)
A Civic Engagement Focus
Our nation and world face many pressing challenges which require engaged citizens. Through communication, together we identify and address matters of public concern, create more democratic organizations, participate in the political process, facilitate community involvement, and work together for the common good. This is the vision in our learning community.
Our award winning and productive faculty investigate film, media, rhetoric, organizational, environmental, health, interpersonal, intercultural and political issues – all through the lens of civic engagement. Graduate students conduct research using interpretive, quantitative, rhetorical, and critical approaches. They facilitate civic engagement in the places they work and live.
Come join our learning community and use theory and research to promote civic engagement as, together, we address the challenges of the 21st century.
An Ideal Learning Environment
Graduate students study in an intellectually engaging and challenging, yet inclusive, departmental culture. Close relationships are formed between faculty and graduate students. Plus we live at the foothills of the beautiful Ozark Mountains. Fayetteville is a cultural crossroads filled with opportunity, excitement, and diversity. The seat of government for Washington County, Fayetteville has a population of nearly 74,000 people, with at least 500,000 people in the Northwest Arkansas metropolitan area. This progressive city attracts patrons of the arts, the sciences, and the professions, which makes Fayetteville an excellent choice for graduate study.
While attending the University of Arkansas, you may find the opportunity to:
- conduct research with published scholars
- become civically engaged in the community
- have coffee with a nationally recognized researcher or lunch with a prize-winning poet
- enjoy a weekend backpacking through a wilderness area
- canoe the Buffalo National River or sail on Beaver Lake
- enjoy an open market of arts, crafts, and farm-fresh produce around the town square.
Graduate Awards
The Janice Hocker Rushing award honors Dr. Rushing who taught in the Department of Communication from 1985-2004. She was admired and loved by her graduate students as both a mentor and scholar. She won the Outstanding Teaching Award from Lambda Pi Eta four times. An outstanding scholar, she authored numerous articles in leading communication journals, on topics of film and culture ranging from feminist criticism to the Frankenstein myth and the rhetoric of Ronald Reagan's "Star Wars" address. In 2001 she won the highest research award given by the Southern States Communication Association.
Janice Rushing Award: This $1000 award is available to strong students interested in critical analysis of all forms of communication. This award is available to new M.A. students in their first semester of study.
Application process:
1) Apply or be in the process of applying to the M.A. program.
2) Submit your resume and an essay where you articulate how your past endeavors illustrate the spirit of the award you are applying for, how you see your M.A. program of study fitting into the area of the award, and how you see the M.A. program contributing to their your professional goals to email@example.com.
3) Deadline: April 15
The Richard S. and Kay Kelley Arnold Graduate Fellowship. Richard was a judge of the U.S. District Court and then the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit. He served as Chief Judge of the Eighth Circuit from 1992 to 1998. In 1994, President Bill Clinton called him "the most brilliant man on the federal bench." At his death, eight Supreme Court Justices published tributes to his fairness, judicial restraint, and eloquent and influential judicial opinions.
Arnold Graduate Fellowship: This $1000 award is available to strong students who plan to focus their coursework on the United States constitution, free speech, political communication, the judiciary, or public service. This award is available to new M.A. students in their first semester of study. Deadline: May 1
Application process:
1) Apply or be in the process of applying to the M.A. program.
2) Submit your resume and an essay where you articulate how your past endeavors illustrate the spirit of the award you are applying for, how you see your M.A. program of study fitting into the area of the award, and how you see the M.A. program contributing to their your professional goals to email@example.com.
3) Deadline: May 1
The Lambda Pi Eta (LPH) Alpha Chapter Award in Civic Engagement honors our department, the birthplace of the National Communication Association's (NCA) official honor society. LPH became NCA official honor society in 1995. This award supports young scholars committed to researching and creating more inclusive organizations, more resilient communities, and more informed and engaged citizens.
LPHAC Award in Civic Engagement:This $2000 award is available to new M.A. students in their first semester of study. Applicants must have an undergraduate GPA of 3.5 or better.
Application process:
1) Apply or be in the process of applying to the M.A. program.
2) Submit your resume and an essay where you articulate how your past endeavors illustrate the spirit of the award you are applying for, how you see your M.A. program of study fitting into the area of the award, and how you see the M.A. program contributing to their your professional goals to email@example.com.
3) Deadline: May 1
Travel Funding
Are you a current graduate student in the department? If so, then you may qualify for funding to present your work at either a conference or professional meeting. For more information, please click here.
Spring 2017 Commencement
Spring 2016 Commencement
Class of 2016 - Testimonials
"It has been really great working with my professors and getting to know them better. As an undergrad they felt like my teachers, but when I became a graduate student they became more like colleagues and friends. I also enjoyed the interactions I had with the other graduate students. Since we had smaller classes and the office space was shared, it was easier to get to know one another. Finally, I very much enjoyed teaching public speaking, as it has helped me develop more confidence in my own public speaking skills and gave me experience in managing a classroom." – Christopher Mikkelson
"When entering Grad School for Communication I was expecting this to just be a great chance to continue my education, become a more valuable asset to a future employer and get an 'MA' after my name. Though both of those are still accurate,   I never expected this 2 year Masters Program to not only challenge me academically, but enabled me to grow personally as well.
Graduate school has given me the incredible opportunity to learn how to do scholarly research in real life, applicable ways. I have gotten to build valuable relationships with all of the Communication professors in 1 on 1 settings, and was given the unique opportunity to teach 2 sections of Freshmen level Public Speaking (which has allowed me to still have a job while being a full time student without being overwhelmed).
As my two years of being a Masters student are coming to a rapid halt, I wish I could rewind time and do this all over again. I encourage those of you who cannot decide whether to persue a Masters in Communication or not, to take that leap of faith, I promise you won't regret it." – Cambry Knies
"My time spent through this graduate program has not only given me the opportunity to grow my research skills and work on multiple projects, but I have made lifelong friends. I will forever be grateful for the faculty and my peers for challenging and supporting me through this experience.
– Allie Taylor
"Grad school has provided me the opportunity to grow both personally and professionally. Not only has it helped shape me as an individual, but it has also given me direction in my career. I cannot put a price on how rich and meaningful my education has been, and teaching classes has proved extremely helpful in my professional development. I have also enjoyed bridging the gap between myself and the faculty - through research, we've become colleagues. I'm very pleased to be a product of this program." – Liz Ralston
"A little nervous at first, I signed up for Grad school knowing that I wanted to continue studying Communication. During my two years as a grad student, I surprised myself with what I could accomplish. I wrote more than I had in my entire life combined, I read more articles than I thought possible, and I did it all while teaching Public Speaking to Undergraduates. With my cohort, I had the opportunity to implement a research project for Tyson, where I got to personally design our presentation to their Sustainability Department. Through this program, I was definitely pushed, but it helped me to grow as a more confident and capable person. If you get the chance, it's a challenging and fun 2-year experience that will help you figure yourself out before jumping into your career." – Afsaneh Nimroozi
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Published: Friday 14th November 2014 by The News Editor
The issue of whether convicted rapist Ched Evans should return to football is "not clear cut", the head of the Football Association has said.
Sheffield United have been widely criticised for their decision to allow the sex offender, who continues to protest his innocence, to train with his former team following his release from prison after serving half of a five-year term.
While FA chairman Greg Dyke refused to give his own view on the issue, he said there is a "straightforward question" that needs to be answered.
He told BBC2's Newsnight: "Here's the straightforward question – are people who go to prison entitled to come out of prison and to try and rebuild their lives or aren't they? Or is what they've done so bad and because they're in an industry where their image is important – and that's the dilemma and it's not clear cut."
His comments come after Olympic gold medallist Jessica Ennis-Hill told the League One club she would want her name removed from a stand at the football club's Bramall Lane ground if Evans was re-signed.
Sheffield-born Ennis is the latest to wade into the row over the prospect of Evans's return to professional football.
Campaigners against sexual violence have criticised the club's decision to allow the 25-year-old to train with the team to regain fitness.
TV presenter Charlie Webster, Sixties pop star Dave Berry and Sheffield businesswoman Lindsay Graham have all resigned as patrons of the club since Evans returned to training.
Asked if Evans should be allowed to play for the club again, Mr Dyke replied: "I don't want to get into that tonight. I don't think that's what I am here for.
"I'm quite happy to talk about this (Fifa's World Cup probe). I don't really want to talk about Ched Evans. I think it's a much more complicated story than having five minutes here."
Mr Dyke had to quickly correct himself when it was suggested the Evans case is an important issue.
He said: "It's not an important issue, er, it is an important issue, but not in terms of what you asked me to come on and talk about."
Welsh international Evans was jailed in April 2012 for raping a 19-year-old woman in a hotel room in Rhyl, North Wales.
The striker denied raping the woman, saying the sex was consensual, but he was found guilty by a jury at Caernarfon Crown Court.
An appeal against his conviction was rejected by three judges at the Court of Appeal in 2012. His case is due to be looked at by the Criminal Cases Review Commission.
Published: Friday 14th November 2014 by The News Editor


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"I would not say 'no' off the cuff to that kind of idea," Van Hollen said. "There may be ways to do and make the program, overall, more efficient."
But Van Hollen is still wary of a plan that might include cuts. "The devil is in the details," he said.
The White House has said it is willing to put cuts to Medicare cuts on the table but is reluctant to cut funds to Medicaid.
—The post was updated at 4:18 p.m. to reflect that Van Hollen backed possible changes to Medicare, not cuts.