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I do surveys and know there are subliminal messages in advertising. How good they are I don't know, but they are trying. I hadn't known them to be in the ads themselves, but am sure they are imbedded into the programming and movies we watch. How? Because I will get surveys that include a video either to put into the dvd player or online. Before you take the survey you are asked to choose among various products then watch the video and choose among the second group of products. But both groups of products are the same.
What made me think about this is the moral degradation posts.Hopefully it's not a problem I post this link. It's not mine, just one I found while studying this. Take a look and tell me what you think. Have you noticed anything like this or is this guy crazy? There are 2 pages to this so look at both.
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Your link was snipped so I have no idea what you are trying to get at sorry.
oh well, guess we're not actually able to share links? Knew there was a problem with self promotion or spam, but sharing interesting things you find? Weird.
I wrote a hub on the topic of forum rules that has a link in it to the forum rules. I am gonna take a look again but if I am not mistaken there is no ruls against posting a link unless it is self promotional.
I know. And there was nothing in this link. Nothing for sale. Nothing but images. Now that I think about it, maybe it was the images themselves.
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I guess that if they thought you were promoting another site then I can see the reason for the snip.
I can't imagine what would be so bad in the link, even pix, that wouldn't be allowable here, what with all the degradation in the remarks of several posters on this site already!
But anyway, sorry I missed it. Or not! ha.
I am certain that they would use subliminal messaging if they could and it was effective. There was a lot of interest in it when this idea first got aired, back in the sixties I think, You can directly write where we can find the stuff you tried to link to I think?
if you look for a guy named artistmike and subliminal advertising you will see.
+ this one if the image works. And actually my daughter found a bunch when she took a good luck at her seventeen magazine ads.
Well we will see if this is allowed, since it was allowed on billboards kids see.
Well it's geared towards you dude. Supposed to make you feel large and powerful.
Your subliminal didn't work for me. You will forever be hokey the hooker in my mind.
make sure(LOVE HOKEY)that what ever(LOVE HOKEY)you do your not falling into(LOVE HOKEY)subliminal traps. It is(LOVE HOKEY) very important that(LOVE HOKEY)we continue to think for(LOVE HOKEY)ourselves!
Wow Jean, talk about sublminal messages when it comes to that Burger King poster. I know that sex sells but that's pretty blatant.
well this was the mildest one. And I have seen this ad many times and never even thought anything about it except "why does she look scared of the burger?" Tonight I clued. Guess I am just getting so used to it. Actually it's kind of scary if you think about it too much. How much we just get used to without thinking and how much more maybe we will get used to without thinking.
Well, it could just be I have a dirty mind! It's why I won't eat a footlong in public.
I don't know why I suddenly really want to love Hokey - yeah, I think that's his name - Hokey! (WILD AND FREE) It sounds kinda hokey, but I think I may be in love with him! weird!
i don't think subliminal messaging really works. Quite a few song that i like, are apparently filled with subliminal messaging. One song in particular, wait and bleed- Slipknot. Played backwards it says something, (can't remember the exact words), about shedding blood...Can't say iv'e ever been tempted to slit my wrists while listening to this song, and i have listened to this song on repeat many times.
Fink Floyd- stir way to heaven..Iv'e listened to A LOT of pink floyd. It's never made me feel anything other than good.
Subliminal messaging that I read about when it started was more about embedding unseen messages - like just before the break during a movie one frame each second would tell you that you really want a soda - too fast to register to the front end but the subconcious got it. The picture things are really just suggestive and has been going on forever, why do you think that most plastic bottles that women would normally use are penis shaped but a bit bigger ? And why do I have this urge to go and write some poems for Hokey and Tantrum ! ?
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Photokina 2014: Quiet but significant
Last week's Photokina was my fourth, which must mean I've been working in the photo publishing industry for... about eight years. It doesn't seem like that long to me, but regardless, a lot has happened in that time.
Since 2008 the photo industry has weathered a global economic downturn, multiple destructive weather events in Asia and the emergence of an entirely new family of products - the smartphone. All of these things would have been disruptive on their own, but coming hot on the heels of one another inside less than a decade, their cumulative effect has been profound.
Over the past eight years we've seen technological fads come and go (I'm looking at you, 3D) and an entire market segment - the inexpensive point-and-shoot - has all but disappeared. In the meantime, the dizzying trajectory of technical advances that characterized the first decade of consumer digital imaging has flattened. There's less incentive now to buy a new digital camera, since the last one you bought is probably still pretty good. This is great news for budget-conscious consumers of course, but it's something of a headache for camera manufacturers.
This year's Photokina felt a little quiet, but it might have been the most significant in recent years. For me, Photokina 2014 was marked by two milestones - the launch of Panasonic's Lumix DMC-CM1, and the arrival of the RED Epic Dragon 6K video camera. Notably, neither of these two products are cameras in the traditional sense. The CM1 is an Android-powered smartphone with an unusually capable camera module (featuring a 1-inch sensor no less) and the RED Epic Dragon is a professional video camera, but one which can also capture high-resolution Raw still images.
Pointing the way to the future...
I call these products 'milestones' not because they're likely to have any material impact on consumer digital imaging in the short term (the CM1 is only being marketed in a couple of countries and the RED Epic Dragon costs more than $25,000) but because of what they represent. Both products are indicative of a gradual redefining of traditional photography that's been happening quietly for a while (and let's not forget about Lytro's Illum, which points the way to another kind of future entirely).
The Panasonic Lumix DMC-CM1 is a fully-featured Android smartphone which boasts a 20MP camera built around a 1-inch sensor. The CM1 is being released in France and Germany only (for now).
Whether we like it or not, the fact is that smartphones have replaced traditional compact cameras for a lot of people in the developed world. A staggering number of images are taken using smartphones every day, and for many people, their smartphone is their primary (or only) camera.
Arguably Samsung put a stake in the ground first* with the Galaxy Camera - the first version of which was the talk of Photokina 2012. The Panasonic CM1 is different though. Whereas the Galaxy camera was a zoom-lens camera with an Android interface, the CM1 is first and foremost a phone, featuring a fixed-lens camera but one with a very big sensor. And Panasonic chose to launch it not at CES, not at IFA, but at Photokina - the world's largest photography trade show. The symbolic importance of that decision should not be overlooked.
The RED Epic Dragon is an entirely different kind of device, and one that really grabbed my attention at this year's Photokina. The inherent theoretical appeal of 4K+ video for photographers has been evident for a while now - what's not to like about ~8MP still images captured at up to 60fps? But the EPIC Dragon takes it to a different level. The camera's 6K footage can create 19MP still frames - at rates of up to 100fps. The really important point though is that these images are captured in a Raw image format. Stills from the Dragon can be opened in Adobe Camera Raw or any other compatible raw converter (we're told that Lightroom support is coming soon) and manipulated in exactly the same way as files from a conventional still camera.
As well as 6K video the RED Epic Dragon can also output 19MP Raw still images (at up to 100fps).
The Epic Dragon itself isn't going to disrupt the consumer digital imaging space any time soon. It's very expensive, and the data throughput of 6K footage is incredible. As with all new technologies though, it's short-sighted to focus on what it means now. Much more interesting is to think about what it might mean in the future. And I'd be prepared to bet that before too long, the increasingly blurry line between stills and video will essentially cease to exist.
Ok, 4K...
6K video might be out of reach to most photographers (for now) but 4K is taking off in a big way, thanks in no small part to mirrorless pioneers Panasonic, Samsung and Sony. All three manufacturers are pushing the feature in their new generation of enthusiast-oriented cameras (Samsung's NX1 looking particularly impressive, on paper). I think that Toshiaki Akagi of Nikon is correct that 4K is 'too much' for most people when it comes to the requirements of casual videography, but it's clear that this is not the only appeal of the feature.
Tellingly, for instance, the new Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX100 features a 'Photo 4K' mode which is explicitly intended to be used by still photographers with an eye to pulling images out of 4K footage, to be saved separately.
Back in the comfortingly familiar world of DSLR photography, the two biggest players - Canon and Nikon - had a busy Photokina, announcing two major new products. Canon's EOS 7D Mark II replaces the five year-old EOS 7D, and as you'd expect after such a long time it's a pretty major upgrade. Meanwhile, considering its price-point, Nikon's enthusiast-friendly D750 is arguably the company's most mainstream full-frame camera yet.
Times are hard for DSLR makers. While executives from both Canon and Nikon are justifiably confident that their newest cameras will prove popular, both manufacturers also seem (finally) to be contemplating an imminent jump into the enthusiast mirrorless market, after mainly targeting entry-level users with their respective mirrorless options.
Serious mirrorless
Canon's Masaya Maeda - a man I must have seen more in the past 12 months than my own mother and not someone who tends to be careless with his words - went as far as to tell me that we can expect Canon to create a serious mirrorless product 'in the very near future'. Meanwhile, Toshiaki Akagi of Nikon gave us plenty to read about between the lines when he acknowledged the growth in the mirrorless market and said that Nikon 'may be able to provide another type of mirrorless camera with larger sensors'.
When I spoke to Toshihisa Iida of Fujfilm earlier this year he told me that he couldn't wait for Canon and Nikon to jump into the mirrorless market in a serious way, because in his opinion this would lend a much-needed legitimacy to the product class. Speaking last week in Germany he was much more confident, after six months of growth spurred by high-end mirrorless products not only from his own company, but also Sony, Panasonic and Olympus. Will Canon and Nikon join the enthusiast mirrorless race too far behind to win? Hopefully we'll find out soon enough.
Race to the top...
The enthusiast mirrorless race is certainly a 'race to the top' where increasingly, manufacturers seem to be placing emphasis on giving customers the best possible experience - not necessarily the widest choice, or the cheapest option. Potentially selling fewer cameras, in other words, but better cameras and at a higher value. I mentioned the 28MP Samsung NX1 earlier - a great example of a product where the manufacturer has pulled out all the stops in order to appeal to enthusiasts.
The days of huge compact cameras lineups spanning $100-800 with annual replacement cycles definitely seem to be numbered, if not quite over. Significantly, Shigeki Ishizuka of Sony explained to me that with the RX100-series Sony has entirely changed its approach to marketing high-end compacts. Rather than releasing multiple models spanning entry level to high-end and replacing them every year or so, the RX100 (released in 2012) and RX100 II remain in the lineup, slipping down in price to become lower-cost alternatives to the flagship Cyber-shot RX100 III and RX10. It makes sense - they're still good cameras.
When we spoke to Shigeki Ishizuka, the global head of Sony's Imaging Business he explained why Sony dropped the 'NEX' brand in favor of 'Alpha'.
Now that smartphones have all-but obliterated the point-and-shoot segment it is important for manufacturers to differentiate their products from smartphones. At the same time though, they also need to ensure that their cameras can do some of the same things as smartphones (ladies and gentlemen, I give you the now ubiquitous 180-degree tilting 'selfie screen') and exist alongside them via built-in wireless connectivity features.
Such features are (finally) maturing to the point where it is possible to integrate cameras and mobile devices into the same workflow without wanting to smash things. Sony's innovative QX-series of products is a great example of this kind of 'if you can't beat them, join them' approach.
The new Sony Cyber-shot QX-1 is effectively a standalone sensor and lens mount, minus lens, to which any E-mount lens can be attached (upside-down lenshood optional).
Ishizuka-san admitted to me that QX is still (unsurprisingly) something of a niche, but people are buying and using them, and they're doing so in refreshingly unexpected ways. According to Mr Ishizuka, contrary to initial expectations, most QX buyers don't tend to attach the modules to their smartphones, but prefer to use them remotely, at arm's length and beyond. Apparently, we're told, the QX cameras are a particular hit among astrophotographers. Suddenly, a product ostensibly designed to coax smartphone users into 'serious' photography has become a new (albeit small for now) market segment all on its own.
I should imagine that most of you reading this - like me - didn't mourn the passing of the cheap point-and-shoot, but we're certainly all reaping the benefit of the ongoing focus on the high end as manufacturers concentrate on putting bigger sensors, faster lenses and more enthusiast-friendly features into their fixed-lens compact cameras.
Panasonic's new Lumix DMC-LX100 is an impressive feat of engineering, packing a Four Thirds sensor with a 24-75mm equiv. F1.7-2.8 lens inside a compact form factor.
The most obvious expression of this general philosophy at Photokina is Panasonic's Lumix DMC-LX100 - a small (ish) zoom compact camera with a genuinely fast lens and a Micro Four Thirds sensor for under $1000. According to the poll currently running on our homepage the LX100 was your favorite camera of Photokina, and probably mine too (although I do love the unashamedly backwards-looking Leica M-A).
What do you think was the most significant or interesting thing at Photokina 2014? Let us know in the comments.
Read our complete coverage from Photokina 2014
* Technically the Nikon Coolpix S800c came a few days earlier, but the less said about that camera the better, to be honest.
It really struck me that the Photokina is no longer relevant just because it can't be. Technology is advancing and morphing at such a pace the anything two years for the waiting is an absurdity. The Photokina has been stripped from the technological breakthrough world and only left with the social part of the human get together part. This social aspect is still relevant for the very actors of the industry but no longer a magnet for consumers anymore.
Without those interviews dpreview did with key industry representatives the Photokina is actually a boring place for any news.
Now, I see why you Dpreview Guys see Photokina as relevant because you are an important actor in this industry, but it is not relevant to the reader from the consumer perspective. 95% of Photokina announcements were old news to us, therefore the only piece of the news left was the 5% surprises plus your interviews.
Don't get me wrong, this is not a critique it's just how technology has become to be.
Canon EOS should be a very good camera, otherwise the Japanese swimmer would not steal it in the international game in South Korea couple of days ago.
"I want the camera this time too has been taken," he said.
It's ironic for me that the only brand of camera I'd buy in 2014 is the seemingly least motivated one (as that's the lens system I have), and the only model I'd buy is the one they refuse to make - a high-end DX SLR.
Maybe that's why they're so complacent - they trust we'll wait for them! But no money to the camera industry from this little consumer in 2014, because it won't make what I want, even though many have asked.
It's likely Photokina will follow Comdex into oblivion since camera sales are projected to drop by 2/3rds (from 2008 levels) by 2016.
I have a hunch that Photokina might not last another decade. It will eventually be split into an event for consumer (like CES or IFA) and professionals (like IBC).
Unless and until all these mainstream traditional camera companies (Nikon, Canon, Leica) find another niche in the use of a "camera" more end users will move on and use and upgrade their smartphones to become their primary shooter and keep their DSLR as long as possible.
IMHO, the Panasonic LX100 was by far, the most significant product in the show. It occupies a very fat spot in the middle of the market. It is revolutionary. News of a mainstream full-frame camera? Bah. Full frame is niche. Always has been. Humbug. We need full frame, for special work. Not everyday shooting. How many photo-journalists do you know personally? How many Portrait Studios are there in YOUR town? I know a lot of very ordinary people who have been very happy with APS-C DSLR cameras. That's where the money has been. These people will keep their DSLR's until they break. None of them are gonna upgrade to full frame. A wide swath of them are going to be delighted with either LX100 or RX100 type cameras.
Who will fabricate the first 1-1/4 inch sensor? We have our first lens for the type!
LX100's lens is the most significant product. It is small, wide, and fast.
If Canon knew how to make lens 3 years ago, the almost 3 years old G1x would be the "revolutionary" as G1x has:
- VF + hot shoes as LX100, Plus
- Build in Flash
- built in ND filter
- Articulated LCD
- Larger 1.5" sensor
Nikon is trying to push it's customer base up to one of five different models of full frame bodies while ignoring the cropped frame, sports shooter. This idea doesn't go over very well in Nikon forums. I actually think that even cropped frame, while popular, is pushing it on size. I actually think many more images in the future will be shot on 1" sensors, especially as imaging technology improves.
I agree. There is going to be quite a bit of 1-inch business because of the huge portion of easy exposure values and common angles of view. I am not bullish on very good 1-inch performance stepping up to equal or surpass FourThirds or APS-C. Whatever technologies show up as improvements on the small and medium end will also surely show up on the large and huge end too. I tend to think, however, that the advantage on the big end will shrink. At present, I think the 24 megapixel APS-C sensors are a joke because they are a bit less clean, and there are no APS-C built lenses with sufficient resolving power to redeem the trade-off. It's marketing hooey.
For walk around cameras, 1" sensor seems fine. (Panasonic) 16MP 4/3 sensor only has little over half stop advantage over (Sony) 20MP 1" sensor, but the camera/lens is much bigger.
Personally, I think 20MP is way too much for 1" sensor. It maybe the reason that I never liked Sony cameras, too many megapixel for no reason at all.
That's true 99.9% IMHO of digicam users are just looking at monitor shots and nothing else. >8x10 prints are about nil and servied with FF or greater sensors. Digicam tech has pretty much max;d out and has nowhere to go as far as Photokina is concerned, they will have to focus on highend / satellite spy cameras.
I agree. Most folk do not print very often, even at 4 x 6, let alone at any size to hang on the wall. In the $800 vicinity, there are two angles to consider, same as usual, the best output or smaller size. I do wish that 1-inch might come in a 12-megapixel flavor to get the pixel size into better 3200 ISO territory. That is me being picky, however, because any day I need deep ISO, I am gonna take the bigger camera with fast glass out. The same argument could lead to a second camera choice on the Canon G7X. At present I think the 32OO ISO on 4/3 is better than the 1600 ISO on 20-megapixel 1 inch. To reach parity on pixel size, you would have to drop the 1-inch to around 8-megapixels. It is still 225 mm2 against 116 mm2, a factor of two essentially, all else equal (both sensors fabricated by Sony).
I guess the greatest portion of the replies here refer to the Nikon's reluctance to launch the D400. Well, here's what matters - the profit! By diversifying the FF segment on 5 products, Nikon shows us that the way to go if you're a serious amateur or a pro is Full Frame. This is with a reason- profit. Every single one of these cameras cost $1500 +. In addition to this there are the expensive FF lenses. At the other side (in Nikon's view) there are the APS-C, 4/3 or 1'' intended for the generation of "want to become a photographer"- the ones that now we'll collect the money from with APS-C line, and later we'll offer them a FF. Bearing in mind that there isn't a serious APS-C camera (except for the limited buffer D7100 and the age old D300s) Nikon wants to CREATE VALUE for the customer (squeeze another $300-$400) and FORCE him/her to go FF. If this strategy of profit making doesn't work then they'll continue "studying the market", launch D400 and live with the opportunity loss of $300.
And somebody mentioned 24MPix was too much for the APS-C. Yes, it is too much! I have a D7100, and with standard lenses (18-105) the pictures are equally sharp as the D7000/D5100. You only start to notice SLIGHT edge (20% improvement) when you mount your 35mm, 40mm micro nikkor, 50mm or your 17-50 F/2.8 Sigma, BUT only at apertures F/4-F/6.3. That's it. So, in my view APS-C can not accomplish the sharpness of its bigger bro - the D610, limited by the optics and the diffraction limit at f/6.3-f/8. I guess that for Nikon the COST of overcoming this obstacle with the lens sharpness and APS-C inability to perform/resolve pixels is greater than the cost of producing a superior FF system. And then agan FF sells for a lot more than APS-C. Btw, ever wondered why NX1 gonna be that expensive? ;) As for sports shooting use teleconverters :) don't use APS-C, be a PRO! (throw additional $3000 +)
Part of what Nikon "sells" is an idea of where THEY want everybody to go in order to steal the cash. Promoting full frame in a mainstream sense is an attempt to control the market rather than follow it. The other nowhere near truth "sale" is, full frame cameras ALWAYS take better pictures than APS-c. I like full frame in the places where they excel, but note that I find myself never there. You do not need a pro-level camera to shoot awesome pictures in the exposure value territories shared well by other cameras. No camera compensates for lack of artistry. The reason the LX100 is getting the press is because it hits the bulls eye in the ergo department. It's not a broad shot at the side of a barn. It resonates in the market and demonstrates a process of listening to ascertain where the opportunities wait. The brainstorming at Pana/Leica, to play in segment and tune, was very smart, clever even. I wish you could say the same of Nikon. "Manipulative" falls off the lips more often.
Why does Nikon diversify where there's no need to do so? For ex Nikon D3100, D3200, D3300, D5200, D5300?? Keep 4 - the D3300 (low amateur), D5300 (mid amateur), D7100 (high amateur) and make a pro DX camera D400 (11 fps, huge buffer, D300 body, 30MPix or so, no AA filter, increased sensitivity CMOS/graphene sensor for sports, macro and safari shots). Make it $50 - $100 less expensive than D610, get rid of the D610, continue the line with D750, D4ish (make it 24MPix, 11fps), then D810, and I almost forgot - the nostalgic obsolete Df. Btw, make the Df 24MPix so it could be used for a pro work, get rid of FF 16MPix sensor, make it 24MPix (CMOS/graphene mix or so). Don't give up on APS-C since the graphene is coming, not everybody likes bulky cameras FF and some of us need the reach of DX. And small DSLRs (like the D7100 type) in future with increased sensitivity/performance could in fact earn the most profits for Nikon and Canon. Pentax doesn't have FF...
The market is taking a cooling on the high end and a freeze on the bottom, with the middle gaining well-earned heat. Nobody is saying that Nikon needs to diversify. When you play to a shrinking audience who still believes that the only conversation is big, you end up in a side segment. We need big some days. Others no. What do we do when that day becomes rare? Photographic tools solve project problems, and the margin of projects that require big sensors is shrinking precisely because the capabilities in the middle are increasing dramatically. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A SENSOR TECHNOLOGY THAT ONLY BLESSES BIG. Sensor Innovation is hurting big. As the range of exposure values and the quality of the coverage increases in the middle, high altitude flight will elevate itself into thin-air starvation. Putting big on oxygen life support may not work, even as a short-term strategy. The financial game is Profit times Units in every segment.
In a week at photokina you only got a single photo of the buildings? (at the start of this article). And that was taken before the show started.
I'm sure there were hundreds of people outside the building, not three or four. A photo like that would provide a feel for the event.
Honestly, we were more focused on what was going on inside.
IMO, what the camera industry really need is a revolution in the UI. C'mom Apple, do something. Well, they kind of have started this already with the iPhone ...
We have great sensors, great AF, great meters, great imaging software. ML does not really offer a vastly superior camera system and it has its own problems. At the end of the day, we are still bothered by the same thing, grip or no grip, buttons or no buttons, command dials or no command dials, VF or no VF, flash or no flash, how to connect to the internet , etc ... These have been the same user problems that have not changed a bit.
@G1Houston - actually you were the one bringing Apple in this discussion... and the it seems a bit absurd to wait a miracle to happen from a company that is not really into photography.
And Mike's point is correct, for long long years apple didn't do any miracle, just reiterate on same phone/tablet and wait for the milions of fans to preorder :)
Exactly. Apple is far-far away from being innovative WRT photography. The best thing they've done, WRT photography, is their pretty much seamless pano implementation - but absolutely nothing else compared to Nokia's achievements in the last 11 years.
Actually, they're far behind the competition WRT sensor size (Nokias, and even Samsungs and Sonys), audio (Nokia: high-dynamic recordings, stereo / 5.1), video (4K) and RAW support (Nokia, Android L).
So which smartphone was responsible for creating the current frenzy for using cell phone to replace P&S? People love convenience — easy to carry, one touch to focus, one touch to take the picture, and one touch to share. These are the real users problems that that first smartphone was able to solve. The rest that some of you are talking about are simply bits and pieces in technology that impacts some users but not all. And it made worse when manufacturers jam "features" into a device and call it innovation (Yes with some cameras, we can now make phone calls). We now have buttons, dials, menus, and submenus and yet we still struggle to capture anything that moves, the meter still has issue with backlighting, the flash is still harsh, and for "real photography" you have to buy a "complex" camera. Why? What are the real photographic issues that the vast majority of users are facing today?
Still, being simple-to-use doesn't mean something is THE best. Not in the least. It may sell well - however, it can't even get close to the
- image / audio / in some respects, video quality of some of the competitors
- flexibility, particularly WRT the stock camera app. (Let me again point out that Apple makes it entirely impossible to use the semi-HDR and the sweep pano mode from other apps. The latter is probably the best-implemented camera feature of the iPhone.) And _STILL_ no RAW access - another HUGE problem.
That is, it's no use praising the iPhone in a techie community like that of DPReview. We aren't the major target demography of Apple (grandmothers, teenage girls and the like) - we know quite a bit about technology.
I don't think apple "was responsible" for smartphone photography. Yes they are extremely popular (however, in many countries outside US they are not the dominant phone you'll see on the street, so considering your tone i assume you are from US). They might had the best implementation which sustains your point, but that is not about "photography" ... it is about accessibility.
And second, yes you need a complex system to make good photos... photography, more than sensor/lens, is about light. If you take an image of a scene with good light you just need a whatever camera.
If the light and other parameters (such as speed of subjects, distance, etc) are difficult than you need something that can handle the situation (a complex camera).
If your subject if simple but you have to create the light (in a studio) you need a complex lighting system and a relative simple camera...
There is just not one solution for all these at this point... and apple is the most unlikely to give it.
People agree that the best camera is the one you have with you = smartphone. Why should a camera for "serious" photography be so complex to "use?" In the old days, even the most serious cameras have only two dials, one for the ISO/ASA, one for the shutter speed, and the aperture control is on the lens. It was very simple and yet powerful and versatile. Can we simplify it and can simplification of the photographic process itself be considered "good photography?" If our meter is accurate (=good algorithm) knows to adjust to the lighting and tonality of the subject, do we still need a dial for E/C? If touch-AF works well, why do we still need a dial and 4-way controller to manually move the AF-points? … If the algorithm controlling a lot of the basic things in the camera is smart, coupled with a simple and elegant UI, some day all we have to do is to compose. This will shorten the learning curve in photography making it more assessable to the mass.
" If the algorithm controlling a lot of the basic things in the camera is smart, coupled with a simple and elegant UI, some day all we have to do is to compose. "
The keyword in your text is "if". Let's not forget that the iPhone almost completely lacks scene recognition - something, say, Panasonic has implemented very well (see their iA modes in even their 5-year-old P&S cameras - I know because I did test iA on, say, the ZS3). This is why it just can't detect when one wants to shoot quick-moving subjects in low(er)-light. No, the iPhone will always use the lowest ISO possible, up until 1/30...1/15s. It'll NEVER intelligently bump the ISO to allow for significantly higher shutter speeds in ANY case.
This was ONE of the reasons why people have always "whined" for manual modes on the iPhone. Before iOS8, it was simply impossible to properly shoot these kinds of objects.
True, iPhones have limitations, which are to be expected. I give them the benefit of the doubt that they generally add features with cautions. Not raising the ISO is a way to keep the noise down, a sensible thing to do when the sensor was not so robust. Speaking of Panasonic, when they were using the "old" sensor in their first series of m4/3 cameras, GH1, G1, GF1, G2, etc, the camera would refuse to raise ISO above 400, which was the sweet spot of that sensor. This was well discussed in the m4/3 forum back then and many hated it. I assume Apple did not want to complicate the control of the camera to slow down its operation (limited processing power, battery life, etc) and/or to make it unintuitive to use. With iPhone 5, they added the 64-bit chip so they are now ready to greatly improve the cameras without worrying that the phone will be sluggish overall. There is a report from NYT by an award-winning pro photographer who was impressed by what the new iP6 can do.
"True, iPhones have limitations, which are to be expected. I give them the benefit of the doubt that they generally add features with cautions. Not raising the ISO is a way to keep the noise down, a sensible thing to do when the sensor was not so robust."
1. A noisy image is far better than a hopelessly blurred one. Every single camera manufacturer knows this - except for Apple.
2. to keep the user interface as simple as possible, they could easily added intelligent scene mode recognition - as did Pana, along with tons of other manufacturers, years before, that is, on even slower hardware. They didn't do so.
"Speaking of Panasonic, when they were using the "old" sensor in their first series of m4/3 cameras, GH1, G1, GF1, G2, etc, the camera would refuse to raise ISO above 400, which was the sweet spot of that sensor. This was well discussed in the m4/3 forum back then and many hated it."
Still, the early 2009 ZS3 had a very decent iA mode, which did bump the ISO high when noticing possible motion blur. Not even the current iPhones, which have orders of magnitude more computing power and better high-ISO performance (the 1/2.3" ZS3 had a pre-2009 sensor with already pretty much useless ISO1600; the ISO1600 of the iPhone 4s/5/5s/6 is much better), have anything like that.
" I assume Apple did not want to complicate the control of the camera to slow down its operation (limited processing power, battery life, etc) and/or to make it unintuitive to use."
Again, Apple could have implemented automatic recognition. It wouldn't have made the UI more complicated at all.
"With iPhone 5, they added the 64-bit chip so they are now ready to greatly improve the cameras without worrying that the phone will be sluggish overall."
1. You mean the 5s?
2. the 5s didn't have new camera features either, except for the allegedly 720p, really 360p-resolution 120 fps mode and the automatic exposure setting when shooting sweep panos. Actually, in some respects, it was a step backwards (0.5s max. shutter speed instead of 1s.)
"There is a report from NYT by an award-winning pro photographer who was impressed by what the new iP6 can do.""
It's a well-known fact Apple actually pays "celebrities" and other famous(?) people to praise their products in public. Remember the Joan Rivers iPhone 6 "praising" (after her death) scandal? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/09/19/joan_rivers_promotes_iphone_6_from_beyond_the_grave/ I really wouldn't believe anyone "famous" praising his/her iPhone. Who knows how much he/she has been paid to do so...
Pretty exciting times we live in! We are absolutely spoiled for choice and there is something that can deliver outstanding image quality for every budget! As someone that makes a living with my camera I am astounded at just how easy everything has become and what a perfect final product I can deliver to my clients. Its just so much easier than in the days of film. Complaints about the lack of technological advancement is just symptomatic of modern thinking and the short attention span of the consumer today. I like it that things take time to 'improve' because it gives me time to get a decent return on my 'investment'. I kept my 5d2 for almost 4 full years before I replaced it with the 6D....and never in those four years did I lack image quality or thought I really needed something better and when I sold it I got almost 50% of my money back.
i beg to differ; I don't see what is so significant in this show. all old technology in new cases. We where expecting big news; such as new Medium format camera from sony with fixed lens. or new advancement in lens technology or size. or new Leica M (yeh yeh there was new Ms that no one will buy). I mean, nothing, zilch, just another show that adds nothing.
It appears Sony and Fuji will hold up the medium format mirrorless for a few more years, forcing more people buy their lower end stuff.
"forcing more people buy their lower end stuff."
No one forces anyone to purchase smaller-sensor system cameras. If you don't like their IQ, you don't purchase them.
True, I don't like their IQ enough. And what should I use within a price range of less than 5000 USD, might I ask? I think you assume everybody can cash out 10000 on a camera. So many of the users ARE forced to buy APS-C or FF. If Sony or Fuji could come up with an affordable mirror less fixed lens camera THAT would be big news. I feel strange I have to explain it, it's not so hard to understand.
In the last sentence of an analysis that approaches the future of photography from the angle of technological revolution, you say that you like the Leica M-A, which is based on a decades old technical-mechanical platform. Leica also brought out the digital M-60, without a screen and a body reduced to essentials. Cannot afford that one but I like the concept. The photographer has to work without direct visual feedback. It is remarkable how many photographers actually liked that a lot about the pre-digital age. Imagination is one of the great human capabilities. The joy of photography in no small part lies in the experience of being able to represent the world in a way that you envisaged. Fine if a screen is a good help there. But for those who find it distracting rather than helpful (and cling to film because of it), there may be a 0,01% niche there. Count me in that niche. Leica should be applauded for coming up with such an exciting concept.
Hi badi, yes, it is. But a production run of 600 will not cater for the niche and result in this remaining a mere 'concept' for most of us. You will not hear me moan about Leica asking ridiculous prices though. For such a radical product with a stellar lens included, I find the price point actually quite acceptable. But then I have to feed my children and put gas in my car so I'll continue shooting film for now. But just as you are, I am still applauding.
My first Photokina in 1980, I worked two booths because one company paid for my air and another for hotel. I was too busy to see everything but there was real excitement because photography was photography, video was too expensive and electronics meant Walkman.
All these years later, everything good is still expensive but instead of buying a Linhof and keeping it 25 years or a Nikon for 10, manufacturers expect you to upgrade or even switch every year or two. And instead of getting a mechanical jewel that's like a fine watch, now you get an electronic watch.
For now, technology has overtaken itself. Current cameras aren't just more than adequate--they have to compete with other electronic toys while we wait for pocket-sized video cameras with such high resolution you can shoot continuously and pick the best frame. In fact, the computer will tell you which frame is the best.
indeed, manufacturers "wait for you to upgrade every 1-2 years" ... but that is just marketing, the truth is that a good (professional level) camera has no problem of giving you 10 years of nice use.
Take the canon 5D ... it was out almost 10 years ago (actually 9) and it still is an excellent camera. I know photographers who still use it, and enthusiasts who buy it now because is a very cheap way to have a nice FF body. Now if you shoot 200k photos with it and you rather update the body than change the shutter because the upgrade worth it, what is wrong with that?
I do not share this morose view of the future of cameras ... I think it just started!
Anyone notice in the past ten years sensor quality has skyrocketed. CCA gone; CMOS is here. For now. The gurus told us that you don't need more than 6 mb. Now we have 36. Sensor quality outran the general run of lenses, now lenses are getting better. Meantime cropping has never been so good...
Ernie Haveman told me a half century ago he was famous for taking pictures because he took thousands to get a few good ones. The same is still true, but now it's so much cheaper! More people are taking pictures than ever before and more pictures and some better. Video is everywhere. The more people that use smart phone cameras, the more will pursue better quality, technique, and cameras.
Cameras will get better, and the camera makers are working on it. eg faster live view functionality. Better noise control. etc.etc. It's a bright future.
Look at the modern DSLR. It has outgrown its ergonomics. Even the entry level models are ridiculously complex. One of the appeals of mirrorless is the streamlining of the body and interface.
Well the bodies are smaller (though some are not very small) but the interface is also not streamlined with some models; they are really like smaller DSLRs. Similar specs and similar controls.
AND removing external controls makes a camera very heavily menu dependent. Is that better than setting a function with a dial or knob?
Forget 10 fps sports model DSLR cameras, the future of sports photography is a 60 fps video camera that can provide high resolution stills on demand. The photographer can simply worry about where to point the camera and not worry about when to push the shutter release button.
Nice report, thanks. It seems that the market segment that should really be concerned is MF. Small(er) cameras are getting to be really excellent and although a bigger sensor will always be better, many question whether and difference nowadays is worth the cost in size, weight and expense.
What's next, a phone with a 44x33 sensor and detachable zoom?
IMO, the consumer camera market is already being overrun with too many camera choices that are all chasing an ever shrinking pool of buyers, and I believe that will continue to be the case for the foreseeable future even after a couple of the weaker manufacturers are forced out of the marketplace. I think that the market leaders will concentrate their efforts less on the consumer space and look more to the ultra-high end professional market for business growth, and that's where the real excitement will be in the camera industry for the next 10 years or so. Medium format, 4K, 6K, hybrid stills and motion capture cameras will drive the professional tech race while convenience and IQ that is good enough for around USD $1200-$2,000 will drive consumer sales. And yes, smartphones, DSLRs, and mirrorless will coexist quite happily together. :)
I have to agree with what you say. We are witnessing the end of an era of growth in the camera industry with consumers. Manufacturers are partly to blame for not innovating while capturing the imagination of younger consumers. Important shifts have taken place in the way people spend their leisure time. The glory days of digital photography benefited from people spending their time with computers which was a complementary device for digital cameras. When smartphones & tablets with enhanced portability, built-in "good enough" cameras, & ubiquitous connectivity arrived, convenience won over quality again. Just as in shifts from high end audio to the mp3, 120 film to 135 film, 135 film to digicams with tiny sensors circa 2001 onward, powerful computers to laptops and then smartphones & tablets with built-in cameras. But the camera industry has been stodgy and slow to adapt. Paradoxically, exponentially more photos are taken now than ever before though most are terrible.
I am surprised that there appears so little interest in Canon's 400mm II DO lens, and that few have linked the advent of this lens to the 7d II. The combination of these tools should be a BIF shooter's dream, with NO real competition. Furthermore, based on MTF charts, this lens should take the 1.4x and 2x adapter quite well, delivering lightweight, yet very functional 560mm and 800mm capability. Good time for birder's.
...of course, this is all on paper. We shall see.
Good time for RICH birder's.
Who gets excited about a $300,000 Rolls-Royce? The DO lens is $6500 and huge.
Dimensions 5.0 x 9.1" (12.70 x 23.11 cm)
Weight 4.27 lb (1.94 kg)
Granted it's $3000 less than the 500mm f/4 which is $9500. Fortunately there are many such lenses for sale in the used market. Rich guys buy them, use them once, and sell them for a lot less money.
I seem to recall BIF pictures being "a thing" when, for most amateurs, a 400/5.6 or a freakin' f/8 or f/11 reflex lens was a stretch, focus and exposure were manual, and "spray and pray" meant (if you were lucky, and your camera supported a winder or motor drive) 3.5 FPS with a maximum "buffer depth" of 36 shots -- all of which you had to pay for. (Some of those appeared in photo magazines that featured a youngish photographer/columnist by the name of Peter K. Burian.) Look, nobody appreciates the advantages of current tech over the caveman stuff we used to use more than I do, but I've been reading altogether too much lately about how the latest-and-greatest will finally make something *possible* that people have been doing for decades. You might have to take the time to, say, learn a bit about the behaviour of the animal (or get intimate with the sport, or what have you), and maybe put yourself into more uncomfortable positions, but that stuff still works with the latest tech.
I've been there, it's only one hour drive from home.: interesting a lot of Time Lapse rigs were shown, and also the astronomy companies like Vixen, Ioptron, Skywatcher etc were also advertising their products.
but IMHO Photo companies: Samsung had the biggest eyecatcher with their NX1, depending the tests... a bit too much destracting ladies... it's about technique not catwalk.
Fuji, I think they had to take their sensor an other step up. Sony, they're also innovating and filling gaps. Nikon and Canon, not really new stuff or innovations, they just looking if there is another boat to jump on, albeit producing great stuff... I were Nikon, I'd put that sensor or the 36M sensor in the Df and a 16M sensor in the D750 in a D800_shell and priced it at 3000€ call it a D810s. Articulating screens get more value when you choose a combined AF system on the sensor. Sigma is the new Zeiss/Leica factory for an excellent price !kuddos! Tamron has interesting stuff as well. bjorn
The battle for the compact camera market will be won by the smart phone. After that, the serious amateur wants image quality and good ergonomics above all else. Bodies and lenses need to balance in the hand. Maybe the future is a body size and weight that is NOT pocketable, but is portable, is weatherproof and does produce a suitable IQ.
Ofc we already have that. These discussions then just serve to illustrate how some are tossed about by marketing, swayed by our love of gadgets and driven by the need to be able to show off to our mates.
Meanwhile, serious photographers worldwide are quietly getting on taking pics that stun and amaze with kit that is, in some cases 25 years old.
how about a camerawitha glowing LED on it's handgrip? what kind of future is that?
The real question to me is: can the NX1 really shoot 15fps with focus tracking? If it can, the demise of DSLR is getting nearer. Both the mirrorless and the DSLR have structural limits: for mirrorless it's processing power, needed by the many functions concentrated on the same circuit; for DSLR it's the mechanical limit of mirror ups and downs. If Samsung has really broken the first limit, the others will have to follow, and soon. So I think the whole industry is asking itself the same question: where will the declining money be in the near future? In my opinion, the vision of Fuji and Samsung (and Leica, but that's another story) is clearer that that of the other players, which seem hesitant on the road to take.
The thing to remember is these things are always 'on paper'. Thing is it might be able to track under ideal lighting conditions and blah blah with certain lenses, but on sensor PDAF has proven not to work terribly well once lights get low and this is unlikely to change without a major change in technology, whether the NX1 is that change remains to be seen, but it is doubtful.
A lot of people are asking for a6000 AF (which has a similar number of points and tracking at 11fps) in an A7, but the A7S for example with its low density sensor still far outperforms the a6000 in low light for AF with its 'lowly' CDAF. Yes on sensor PDAF can help with tracking movement but as it stands these points are only 'assist' points and not terribly sensitive to light.
Having full sensor read out (like the NX1 supposedly does) is also a big plus for AF speed and accuracy.
So you might be right, but also be wary of the claims, I have my doubts for a little while yet.
Well, I think there is more to it than sheer speed, what about things like batterylife? IQ? Handling? Etc etc
A6000 has 25 contrast base AF points + 179 phase detect (of those 15 Cross Type)
NX1 has 209 contrast base AF points + 205 phase detect (a whooping 153 are Cross Type) with a quadcore image processor.
The hardware for AF is there, but do Samsung have the software to make it work! Note that the quadcore processor is spill over from the smartphone division. So my guess is in time, they will.
I tried it at Photokina. I didn't time the shooting speed but it was quite bloody rattling the camera kept...
I was quite disappointed by the buffer depth, though. I managed to freeze the camera after the first burst—had to remove the battery to clear it. Samsung NX line has become famous for a small buffer over past years. They seem not to listen the reviewers... :(
samsung's buffers are the worst part of their cameras thus far. The most disapponting aspect of my nx300 (and, before that, nx200 and nx100) is buffer depth and the speed of buffer cleaning. NX300 can take only 5 raw pictures in a row, after which it spends about 15 seconds to transfer them to the card (during this time, no burst is allowed or, at most, a couple of frames).
I really hope that, being nx1 aimed to pros or high level enthusiasts, it comes embedded at least with 1GB of fast buffer memory (2GB much better).
Besides, it allows UHS-II cards to be used. If those are used at max speed, they can reach 150MB/sec and beyond in writing speed. Meaning that at least 3-4fps can be achieved when buffer is full.
If not the case, than NX1 is DOA.
I'd also hope that, aside 15fps, there are some lower burst speeds selectable via the menu. For instance, I usually need no more than 5fps. With the lower speed, and a fast SD card, the buffer could become almost unlimited, theoretically.
Lol: very interesting finding, I hadn't noticed that!
So, possibly the apparently poor buffer could be significantly improved by:
A) reducing fps to 5
B) using an uhs-ii card capable of 150+mb/sec
PS: it would be nice if in normal rating the nx1 could save 14bit raw.
Every time I read that 'serious Canon mirrorless is coming soon' gets me excited and then remember the 'we are already serious about mirrorless', this just says to me:
EOS-M = Serious
New mirrorless = Serious
New Mirrorless = More EOS-M
If you want people to believe that you are about to be releasing 'serious mirrorless' don't turn around and say that your laughed-out-of-north-america EOS-M line IS serious.
I think you might get surprised.
On the other hand how will DSLR users react when they get to hear that Canon will stop developing more EF lenses and will start to focus upon a new lens mount.
They did it 30 years ago when they went from FD to EF.
It might happen again. Mirrorless will become more important in the future and Canon won't let Sony and Fuji walk away with it.
Out of a business perspective its a risc for Canon. But one that can gain them a high financial rewards when each and every serious Canon shooter will need to reinvest in a new lens lineup.
You say risk. I don't get it - what's the problem continuing with 70D successor 80D whatever, just making 80D-M (for mirrorless). In this way no DSLR line is sacrificed/trust broken, familiar body/controls provided, and full line of optics available through EF to new mount adapter. Or they might use existing m43, etc mount and immediately get traction with already existing lenses in the market.
I think Canikon are old farts and cowards regarding mirrorless, and they wait to see who (Sony/PanOlympus/Samsung) is going to survive and shape trends, then join that trendy train. In either way they should be doing something in labs already, otherwise you cannot take mass production/enter market overnight.
"what's the problem continuing with 70D successor 80D whatever, just making 80D-M (for mirrorless)."
There is no problem with that, But they have not done this when they went from FD to EF either.
"they might use existing m43, etc mount and immediately get traction."
They could but that is unlikely. Canon likes to sell lenses. They can make more money with their own lens mount then they can if you can mix them with other brands. Don't forget that Sigma and others have to pay royalty fees to Canon for using their mount.
"I think Canikon are old farts and cowards regarding mirrorless, and they wait to see who (Sony/PanOlympus/Samsung) is going to survive and shape trends, then join that trendy train."
We see the market very differently. My opinion is that CaNikon have not entered the mirrorless market just to protect their DSLR business. No other reason.
Pana have said they will step out the business if they are not profitable by 2016. Samsung is only succesfull in South Korea.
Having tried all the new cams at the expo I'd say the LX100 was the most interesting one. D750 and 7D Mk II come next. Surprisingly, I was underwhelmed by Canon G7 X. I felt it a little cheap and IS didn't feel very effective. It might have been just a pre-production model, though...
I am a long time Nikon user and have incorporated m4/3 into my system for its good IQ and compact size. However to photograph my kids, I am now mostly using the almost 3 year old D7100 which is just a blast to use — it is fast, with excellent IQ, and its focus tracking is outstanding. Now Nikon has put a state-of-the-art FF sensor in a body that is even lighter than the D7100 with even better AF and metering system, all for just a little bit over $2,000. I thus wonder what is the advantage of the mirrorless system that dpreview and others seem to promote it as the future of photography? Take A7 as an example, you can make the camera only that small before handling becomes a real problem and its lenses are not substantially smaller than those of Nikon/Canon, and are certainly very expensive. What is the advantage of the mirrorless — why does IT have to be the future?
Because as a "normal" though advanced hobby photographer, you don't need the bulk of a 7D to get very good IQ and a camera that is fast and responsive. I can make the Sony a6000 very small or I can attach the Sigma 1.8 18-35 to it - my choice. And the EVF connects me directly to the image as it will coem out. That's why.
@mcslsk: Blurry answer. The real answer: MILC manufacturers invest a lot into concept PR, and it has an effect. Maybe not enough effect in your view. I have MILC and DSLR. And I heard a million times that MILC is the future. Everybody starts to believe it. IQ-wise no difference. Cost wise: MILCs are cheaper to produce: that is why it is the future.
kadardr is right. The answer to why mirrorless is the future lies with the manufacturers, not the consumers.
Mirrorless cameras are (mechanically) less complicated to manufacture, and therefore cheaper to make. Quality control becomes less expensive too, and fewer cameras will likely need to be repaired under warranty.
It's all about cost-cutting, which becomes more and more important as the manufacturers seek to increase profit margins in a shrinking camera market.
Ml may be theoretically cheater to make but at the moment they are more expensive to buy. Ml cameras have their inherited problems as well, lighter body=more prone to shutter shock, smaller body=less physical controls, harder to hold, difficult to balance with larger lense, etc. inferior focuse tracking ability, although this is improving, so is the AF in the dSLR. Most importantly, the IQ of most ml cameras can only be best described as comparable to those of the dSLR so if you need the best IQ, dSLR is still the answer and they are getting cheaper and lighter too. BC dSLRs do not use EVF, their battery last a lot longer. The D750 can shoot over 1,000 pictures in one charge. How many can you get with a typical ml camera?
If mirrorless cameras are less expensive to manufacture then why all mirrorless companies are loosing money?
@kardardr may seem soft to you but I personally don't feel it is just a manufacturing push. While I've used both I prefer the flexibility, size, and weight of mirror less. The fact that IQ is equal is no small thing. It means you have to want a mirror. I can see the appeal but it isn't for me. The next generation of photographers will be coming from smart phones. An OVF will feel backwards because you can't see the exposure in real time any more. I think that's a big reason (and one of many reasons) they are the "future". There will still be SLRs for years. Just like there are still digital rangefinders. But they will become increasing more niche IMHO.
"that" question again. My answer is practicality from user point of view. I consider only m43 and FF ml's as viable options at all. APS-C is too close in weight and size to FF therefore are really pointless.
m43: unbeatable weight and size (compared to APSC/FF DSLR's more than 2-3 times less in weight), IQ, real time exposure validation, ever increasing list of superb lenses, filters. Traveled a lot, made tens of thousands photos with m43, never missed heavy D7100+24-70/2.8/D600+70-200/2.8. All those faithful users of D600+70-200/f2.8 alike systems sooner or later realize they want lighter systems, and m43 deliver. See Van Thorpe motivation on youtube why he uses m43 system. He reflects thoughts of myself and many more photographers.
FF ml's: for those remaining 10% of cases where you really need bigger sensor, shallow DOF, but these are not ultimate portable systems at all, too close in size/weigt to DSLR's.
I personally view SLR systems as systems with technically outdated mechanical components that inhibit some convenience features, add extra wight and are simply pointless to have. They must go. It's no secret that SLR's are artificially preserved on market by Canikon to hold status quo stance during turbulent times of smartphone photography era. I have no doubt that future bodies are mirrorless considering increasing demand for Video and stills extraction from it, but we may be forced to wait another 5 years or so to see that trend sinking in.
All I was saying: Do not believe the hype. Do not think that the one holy grail is this or that. Do not think that there is one and only one camera system that solves everything. Try out several systems and use them what they made for. Accept that with the newest systems you also buying into their problems. And firesales show the real cost structure of mirrorless: A7 for 999, nex 6 for 400 bucks. That is the time when you should buy. Cameras are disposable now like smartphones.
"APS-C is too close in weight and size to FF therefore are really pointless."
Yeah the A6000 is practically the same size of a 5D MkIII so what's the point? Hard to get your point as overall APS-C has better IQ and performance than M43 and 1/3rd the price of FF (or less)?
Pointless for the 1 percenters maybe but in the real world they pretty much have a point.
@kadardr: I totally agree with your last statement. With regard to firesales: Me thinking that Soy wants to force people into buying their systems for as long as Canon is not ready in that area. Hell, at the price I am considering every day again whether to buy an A7. Once you buy the camera and some lenses, it's much harder for many to switch. And if you happen to like what you bought, why switch back at all? A Canon me too will not make me move back.
While the mirror assembly is complex, its R&D has long been paid for and it can now be made well and mostly trouble-free. While the SONY A7 can be cheaper to make, it is also designed to be cheap. It does not have a large grip, no built-in flash, very small battery, ... etc. Thus A7 does not compete with Nikon FF cameras in the same market. Furthermore their lenses are not necessary smaller and they are certainly very expensive. I once thought one major advantage of the ML system is face detection AF and metering, but Nikon has that built into the D810 and D750. From the test I have seen, it works very well. So dSLRs are not sitting still. ML does still have the advantage in videos, but the question is for high end still photographers, who really need high end videos? Will their phones be enough?
@keeponkeepingon: last time I checked A6000 it WAS mirrorless, so we are not talking about same things. I was emphasizing ML convenience vs mechanical/heavy/big SLR systems.
I ponder on the remark on Canon 7D mk2 "... it's a pretty major upgrade" and realized that 5 years ago Samsung and Sony mirrorless did not even appear yet. And now there is the crazy spec'd Samsung NX1 and the many Sony mirrorless from the A6000 to A7R.
I think both the Samsung NX1 (esp the new pro lens and the 157 cross type point AF) and the Sony FF (the A7 line) have finally spook Canon into seriously thinking about a serious mirrorless.
Don't let paper spec fool you. I will only believe when mirrorless cameras becomes popular at side of NFL, Olympics Game and serious wildlife photography. I am interest to see the real field performance between Samsung NX1 vs 7D2 in most challenging and demanding AF tracking areas such as fast sports, fast BIF...I am still not convinced if ML and EVF are ready in prime time as overwhelmingly all those PJs using DSLRs in fields as see in TV. And I own A7R.
And don't forget lenses that is another equally if not more important half part. DSLR world still lead in this area very comfortably from fast and best quality prime to fast F2.8 zoom to special lenses to super-tele lenses. When you mount those super-tele lenses on 1DX/D4s, you pretty can forget about ML, at least in near future.
Yes I find it interesting in the time it has taken to do a single update to a popular DSLR an entire new category of camera have been born, flourished and been honed into quite competitive devices. I'm not sure whether this is an indication of DSLRs being all they can be, or the rapid progress of technology that mirrorless / fully digital design can allow. With everything now moved onto the sensor to handle tasks that required a number of dedicated sensors with a quasi-digital system, progress can be even faster.
I am pretty sure the number of people on the stands using mirrorless out number the pro shooters at the field. I guess you missed the part about '5 years ago apsc mirrorless not yet existed'
Canon is here to stay, I am sure, but the number of mirrorless users are growing and might even cross a bit into the pro field.
The A7R is a landscape camera, don't even have cross type AF points.
I know a mom who have a Canon 7D and complained about how often she gets missed focus shots of her kid. She also complain the weight of the camera. I think now, she would be happier with a m43 camera, or Sony a6000 or Samsung NX30.
True Chuck. Photographers at a sporting event do not a market make. In fact, I know many professional photographers who use mirrorless.
The mom must pickup a wrong camera, would be the same or worse if you gave her a 1DX or D4s ;-). But 7D II is not designed for P&S and for average Joe but for a budget professional camera that can use shorter FL lenses to shoot the most demanding and challenging action photos. Older 7D AF is problematic and not that reliable but the new AF engine since 1DX/5D3 and now 7D II (that will be implemented in future 1DX II and 5D IV that I am sure) is way better and field proved. For average Joe and daily shooting tasks I agree mirrorless is sufficient but still not be convinced in those most demanding professional usages as I have not seen any PJs to shoot with ML in fields and in TV, none such as in the WorldCup this year. Here shows in reality ;-)
Been there this year indeed, for the first time, very very impressive and inspirational, the stands of all big manufaturers were simply awesome, Tamron lenses lineup is really getting much better now as well as Sigma, Nikon has the most convenient set-up for trying out cameras and lenses, Samsung was spectacular and they were emphasizing (a bit too much maybe) on their new NX-1, Olympus was extremely appealing, Panasonic extremely convincing...And the large prints exhibited everywhere were stunning...!!! Superb show, got to go again!!!
"Back in the comfortingly familiar world of DSLR photography, the two biggest players - Canon and Nikon - had a busy Photokina, announcing two major new products. Canon's EOS 7D Mark II replaces the five year-old EOS 7D, and as you'd expect after such a long time it's a pretty major upgrade."
All true, but in someways the most interesting DSLRs of the last 6 months, one announced at Photokina, are the Pentax 645Z and the Leica S700. The Pentax is real impressive for less than $10,000 with a lens, and though expensive, the Leica is really just the size of a big FF DSLR, but it takes native Leica lenses–designed from scratch for digital.
it sees that Photokina is no more the event as it used to be, many companies announced their product ahead of the actual event....
That's actually quite normal.
And there were early fall announcements in 2013, but no Photokina.
2 years between new bodies used to be a fast refresh. Now it's more like a year.
How can the section "Serious mirrorless" not include Samsung's NX1?
Good question, given the inclusion of Canon. So it's not like a section devoted to serious mirrorless cameras that have in fact shipped.
The NX1 is mentioned at least twice...
I think the point is that the NX1 is not under the "Serious mirrorless" heading.
Albeit the NX1 is under "Race to the top..."
The fact that the NX1 is mentioned 'twice' has nothing to do with my question.
Under the heading "Serious mirrorless' You include a promise from Canon: "...went as far as to tell me that we can expect Canon to create a serious mirrorless product 'in the very near future."...but you do not include the NX1 now in Pre-production.
This makes it appear that a strong bias has been unknowingly expressed, and thus revealed, by the author.
Samsung's problem is that they are not successful in getting the photo retail channel (camera stores) to stock their products. HUGE ones like B&H do, but the more typical stores often do not.
@Raw Jaw - 'Serious Mirrorless' is a quote taken from our interview with Mr Maeda of CANON. The fact that Samsung is creating serious mirrorless cameras is obvious.
Peter K Burian:
In the US, Best Buy is starting to stock Samsung mirrorless APSC bodies+kits.
One of the few reasons to enter a Best Buy--since except for a cheap laptop or two nearly everything else is on sale for less elsewhere.
Then why is Serious mirrorless a section heading sans quotation marks?
@Barney Britton - A bias is not too well hidden behind missing quotation marks. Why don't you just admit it and get on with things. Seems you have an answer for every critique toward you on this site. You have become the subject rather than the Photography. Please take this as friendly advice.
@ Raw Jaw - why don't I just admit it? Because there's nothing to admit. There is no bias. Moving on...
Again you missed the point. My point is Samsung was not included under the heading of Serious Mirrorless.
I stated that the omission 'makes it appear a bias exists' (paraphrase).
I asked you to admit Samsung should have been mentioned under the title Serious Mirrorless.
nicely put.
times are good again after the mayhem of the first serious 15 years of digital photography. just like back in the analog days when you chose a camera according to the task and not because it was new.
the most significant thing i realised after chewing through the spec-sheets, previews, commentary last week was that my Nikon D700 is still going strong. for my needs anyway. but now there is finally an upgrade option if it should fail.
also betting on µ43 as a secondary support system in 2011 proofed right - nowadays it rivals the big cams in almost every way while keeping the bulk down.
To me the most interesting Photokina news was that Nikon and Canon did NOT move in lockstep to introduce a high-end APSC dSLR. Canon went that way with the 7D mk II, and Nikon instead proposed the 24MP, mainstream FX D750 as the price-equivalent alternative.
Both cameras are obviously going to make a lot of people happy, but I have to say I'm really stoked for the D750 and it really does seem to have hit a sweet spot (price/size/features): initial reaction as it stated falling into people's hands over the last 24h has been pretty phenomenal.
I would disagree. It was NOT major news from Canon. Two cameras does not major news make!
A comprehensive update of one of the most popular enthusiast DSLRs ever made is (arguably) pretty major ;)
Cameraphone from LG and Pentax:
In actual fact I started working professionally in this industry in September 2006 (but did not attend that year's Photokina).
I get the feeling that an entire industry is slowly dying before our eyes.
Stagnation is not a bad thing, per se.
It is what happens when stuff "just works" and is "good enough".
Evolving into what? It started with "You push the button, we do the rest" so that part was covered pretty early.
But it didn't work very well, did it? You got poor little prints back, so from then on photographers wanted more and more control over their images, and now we're getting closer to that ideal of total control. And Kodak is no more, and the world is awash now with good cameras that need no film, and publishing opportunities that need no publishers or even paper. Now we have the control, and camera makers are casting about trying to find ways to make us keep paying them, and all they're really doing is refining what they've already given us. That's fine - what's wrong with them just making replacement parts that are incrementally improved, for us to buy if and when we need them? "You push the button, and you do the rest." Sweet - as it should be.
Yeah, thanks for the coverage.
I went to Photokina at the last moment and most enjoyed the Leica stand (or entire hall, I should say). They know how to put on a show. The Leica photo galleries on display are always inspiring and the Leica products and presentation are on a higher plane.
The Panasonic LX100 is probably the star of the show, but I quite liked the new Summarit-M lenses. They're nothing special by Leica standards, but that's why I like them: they show Leica intends to cater to photographers for the foreseeable future. That's not evident from some of their new products of late (€10k lenses, collectable cameras, etc.).
Summarits make the Leica dream dreamable.
LX100- definitely the most interesting camera. Pana/Leica should also make an LC1/Digilux 2 replacement. No, the LX100 is not an LC1 replacement. A real replacement could be a larger form factor (just as the LC1 is larger than the LX100) that could house a full frame sensor and compact fast Leica Manual focus/zoom internal zoom/focus fixed lens.
Yes! Smaller is definitely a major difference. Holding an LC1 or Digilux 2 is so much different than holding an LX series camera. Also the lens on the LC1 was internal zooming, and a manual zoom. Add all three things up and using the cameras leads to a much different experience. I actually like shooting with cameras that are larger in my hand, done right they are more comfortable to shoot with. If they could put all of the electronics into the same exact form factor of the LC1- that would be just fine by me too! A larger sensor than 4/3 is not needed.
Quiet but not so quiet that Pentax could be heard over the Canikon din. God forbid DPR said anything about Pentax…….
@wildkat2 - you missed the Ricoh/Pentax stand report then, I take it?
We didn't organise an interview with Ricoh because time was tight and the company did not release any major product at the show.
They announced three camera's in the summer. K-S1, Q-S1 WG-M1. I know the company is called Ricoh, but they also carry the Pentax brand name. It just seems like the last dslr-maker next to Canon and Nikon deserves a little more attention on a digital photography website. Maybe you just didn't like the pr-guys hair.
I'm afraid you're not doing your argument any favors here. The K-S1 is an entry-level DSLR with a gimmicky LED light feature, and neither the Q-S1 nor WG-M1 are among the high-end enthusiast-oriented products that we are obviously focusing on in our Photokina coverage. Let alone the fact (again) that THE K-S1 AND Q-S1 WERE NOT EVEN ANNOUNCED IN THE SAME MONTH AS PHOTOKINA.
Believe what you want, but the fact is that Pentax/Ricoh products get the attention that they deserve on DPReview, and we have a very good relationship with the brand.
John Carlson joined us as a guest panelist for our DPReview Live broadcast last year and I intend to speak to the guys again this month at PPE. Maybe move on...?
You know, I run a little blog myself, and similarly I didn't give Pentax much coverage. Because they didn't announce much. Stuff under glass also needs to be promoted and I got absolutely nothing from them about it.
Pentax fanboys need to get a little less... I don't know, angry? Defensive?
a "little" quiet? or the most quiet? as in sleepy boring...
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I'm pretty sure there are dual core PPCs. The MacTel PowerMacs are supposed to be some of the last "converts" IIRC.
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