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Hi, my dell laptop keyboard got messed up so I bought a new
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I turned on my laptop tried to type but the letter Z i think is stuck
because it stays doing this zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz wont stop.
Can it be solved ? Before I send it back . ^_^
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The quick down and dirty answer because it's a brand new keyboard is no. I would RMA it asap. See if they will charge another keyboard, to credit later once the defective keyboard is returned. These sticky keys can be manipulated so I'm told, but every time I've tried it has remained the same or gotten worse or jacked up the mounts as to make installing the key back impossible. Don't mess with a good RMA ! Oh you can try holding the keyboard upside down and blasting light blasts of air under the Z key but likely its the return spring is bad or needs to be pulled up.
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Hey there, summoners! In this guide, I would like to present you my way of playing Evelynn. I've been playing eve for long, testing out all these AP(not so viable imo), AD jungling(got nerfed ;_;) builds. But this is something different. You are not a jungler. And not a laner at all. In next parts of guides I will explain your role in team.
-Extreme ganker
-High damage output late game
-Element of surprise when you come out of Shadow Walk
-Roaming often carries your team to victory
-Extremely fun to play
-Low damage early on
-Countered by oracles early on
-Misunderstanding with team as a roamer may lead to defeat
For runes I take:
Greater Mark of Desolation 9x - gives you needed ArPen for ur DMG
Greater Seal of Scaling Mana Regeneration or Greater Seal of Resilence - your personal choice. But I usually don't run OOM so I take Armor ones
Greater Glyph of Scaling Cooldown Reduction - CDR never hurts
Greater Quintessence of Health - makes you more durable, more scary in early ganks
For masteries, I take 21/0/9. These masteries boosts your damage output, that is not really strong early on. They make your ganks succesful :P
Items here are not something special as for AD Eve, but i'll explain my choices.
Boots of Speed and 3 HP pots - standard for this build, makes your switching lane fasters, better chaser, helps you escape and these health potions make you stay without returning loong time - MANDATORY
Sheen as second item. Boosts your damage output drastically. This passive is soooo great when looking at your Q cooldown.
Boots of Mobility Mobility as a roamer is everything.
Trinity Force This. Is. GREAT. Good all around item, but also boosts your Sheen passive, gives you needed slow. THIS IS MANDATORY.
Youmuu's Ghostblade Preety good item, active is kinda ur second ult, armor penetration, some AD and crit chance with critchance from trinity makes you crit frequently.
Banshee's Veil IMO best survi item in-game. If they have lots of AD chars you can take GA here.
Infinity Edge More AD, more crit. Do I need to say more?
Guardian Angel Great survi item, armor, resist and cool passive
Skill Sequence
My skill sequence here may look a bit strange, but it's preety good on roaming eve. For first point you should take Shadow Walk. Very good while ganking their jungler or lanes. The stun is just a bonus. Next you should take Hate Spike this skill makes your Sheen proc. Of course maxing Ravage then is, as it is a good nuke, with reduction of armor. Take ult at lv 6, 11 and 16.
Summoner Spells
For summmoner spells I take Ghost and Ignite. Ghost is good for chasing/escaping. Ignite gives you some more dmg output early on, what you're lacking.
Your role in team
Your role in team is strange. You may be thinking "Why! for real! that's ******ed." or "OMG NUB EVE!!1111oneoneoneeleven". But no. It works. What you do is called roaming - you do not take a lane, from the WHOLE start you run on different lanes and gank your enemies. Of course after a succesful gank stay on a lane for a while, so you won't be outleveled. It works awesome because:
1. Makes your team get much kills early game with these ganks
2. Makes enemies lose lot's of gold for wards/oracles, that are lost anyways when u gank with ghost + ult combo lol
3. Makes your enemies play much more carefully, and sometimes even resign from last hitting minons, as you can be everywhere
4. Gives a solo lane in team, making your team get more exp.
Roaming takes lots of practice, you may fail at start, but this is highly rewarding, and often makes your team win lol.
Early Game
Pick up Boots of Speed 3 Health Potion. If they have a jungler, you should go and gank him. Evelynn is a great jungle ruiner. Basically what you wanna do is to gank their jungler when he is low hp finishing blue/golems or anything. If they don't have a jungler, pick a lane(solo or mid imo) and gank. With help of your ally you should be able to get first blood, if not, come to the same lane again in a while. In early you want to gank as much as possible, to dominate enemy team. How much did it happened when an TOTAL early game domination made a victory? That's what are you for.
Mid Game
As I said earlier in the guide, after a succesful gank you should stay a while on the lane, to get some exp. Your level shouldn't be lower than duo-lane level. In mid game, their jungler should be ****ed up(of course if they have any). You should still be ganking in mid game, with your Sheen and Boots of Mobility you're able to move through lanes fast and deal LOTS of damage, so now gank should not be a problem. Sometimes teamfights happen in the mid-game phase, you should not be scared of them, unlike AP Evelynn, AD is awesome in teamfights. I'll explain her role in TF's later.
Late Game
Now, you should find and eliminate(lol) champions that aren't with team. In better teams, they will be all together, so you have to win teamfights :3 Control baron with wards, play safe.
Your role in teamfights
Ok, what maybe you've been waiting for. AD Eve is preety good in teamfights. What should you do? First, focus their carries. With your stealth, you're able to get to them, and you destroy them. FAST. Of course sometimes you won't be able to focus them, then hit anyone but tank. Spam your Q as much as possible, as it no only deals some dmg, it activates your Trinity Force passive. Always keep your ultimate on, as it gives you high damage boost.


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Nichols said its also cool to show up and be a CFL star here instead of a no-profile person in Spokane.
It is kind of nice to just be a dad and a husband and all of those types of things. But when its football, Im all in and excited to be here. This is going to be a great week.
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Willis, who has never met a microphone, camera or a spotlight he doesnt like, looked like hed died and gone to heaven.
I think this week is something like an all-star week. Its all the guys from around the league all gathering. Im looking forward to being with players from around the league. And Im going to love being around the fans. Thats what Im going to like the most, is interacting with the fans, said Willis. This is good for everybody, the coaches, the players and the fans.
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Bowman said hes glad hes still playing, so he could experience this day.
As a veteran going into my 10th year, I think its amazing to have an event like this now. We didnt have anything like this in my first years in the league. Ive heard there is going to be an amazing fan base out here. Im very excited to see the new stadium as well. This is a tough place to come to play but I think its going to be a lot of fun to just come here visiting. And I want to meet some of those receivers from Ottawa. For me, Im still a fan.
Theres more to the inaugural Marks CFL Week than 56 CFL stars flying in for a love-in.
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All nine general managers and eight of the nine CFL coaches will be here, the lone exception being newly hired Marc Trestman of the Toronto Argonauts. In all, 85 members of football operations staffs from across the country are in town to watch 36 regional and 50 national future prospects at the CFL Combine Thursday, Friday and Saturday. Four sessions with an audience capacity of 400 each have all been sold out. There are also 45 CFL staff members involved.
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For four weeks I've been working towards my goal of losing 20lbs by doing something active for at least 30 minutes/day and staying within my calorie goal on MyFitnessPal. I've gone over the calories three times, and only missed one workout (January 13th). This morning I did my weekly weigh-in and I wasn't sure what the scale would say. This was a really busy week and I found myself out at McDonald's with the kids three times, yikes! (Remind me to look ahead at our schedule and prepare things the night before, ok?). As I hesitantly stepped on the scale I reminded myself of all of the "good" things I fed my body this week, and how the 30 minutes of activity each day is good for me. I may be moving towards my goals slowly, but all of the work I'm doing is also healthy for me. It's hard to keep that in perspective and perhaps I should journal more about the POSITIVE things I feel from this journey.
This week I'm down 1 more pound. This makes a four week total loss of 5.3 lbs. I am slowly slowly slowly getting closer to my goal. I'm also starting to run faster, and being able to lift heavier – my 20lb kettlebell feels almost too light for some exercises (and my 15lb kettlebell still feels too heavy on other exercises). I measured my waist and I've lost 1 inch there and 2 inches off of my hips. I hope my clothes begin to feel more comfortable soon!
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I'm in the knitting doldrums. It happens, I'll recover. I think it's because I have lots of thing I *have* to knit, not necessary things I *want* to knit. (Like the pesky apple dishcloths for DS' teachers. One is done but I have three more to go. Bleah.)
And on to the giveaway. Ravelry has a group participating in a "Pay it Forward" with handmade items. So here's the deal. The first three people who leave a comment on this post will receive a handmade item made by me. It may be knit, it might not. Depends on how much time I have. But there's a catch - there's always a catch isn't there?? If you comment that you would like to receive an item, you need to PIF to three more people. (My PIF is coming from Keith, in case you might be wondering.) I think this is a nice way to spread a little kindness into the blog-o-sphere. So come on......make a comment......you know you want to!!
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Can I just say that is such a cool idea??!! I love that idea! FUN! I'd sooo be in BUT...I don't have a blog. :( Sigh.
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I will take it if I can PIF a non-knitted item!
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No need for a knit item....just something handmade!! I'll mark you down for a PIF Dawn!!
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That is a really neat idea. Can I play? (BTW, this is Kate from knit night...thesawat). I am definitely going to PIF with cookies. I have been in a very bakey mood lately.
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Great idea Kate!! Thanks for playing.....I'll come up with some cool PIF for you!!
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Background. Liver fibrosis is accelerated in HIV and hepatitis C coinfection, mediated by profibrotic effects of angiotensin. The objective of this study was to determine if angiotensin converting enzyme inhibitors (ACE-Is) attenuate liver fibrosis in coinfection. Methods. A retrospective review of 156 coinfected subjects was conducted to analyze the association between exposure to ACE-Is and liver fibrosis. Noninvasive indices of liver fibrosis (APRI, FIB-4, Forns indices) were compared between subjects who had taken ACE-Is and controls who had not taken them. Linear regression was used to evaluate ACE-I use as an independent predictor of fibrosis. Results. Subjects taking ACE-Is for three years were no different than controls on the APRI and the FIB-4 but had significantly higher scores than controls on the Forns index, indicating more advanced fibrosis. The use of ACE-Is for three years remained independently associated with an elevated Forns score when adjusted for age, race, and HIV viral load (P < 0.001). There were significant associations between all of the indices and significant fibrosis, as determined clinically and radiologically. Conclusions. There was not a protective association between angiotensin inhibition and liver fibrosis in coinfection. These noninvasive indices may be useful for ruling out significant fibrosis in coinfection.
With the advent of antiretroviral therapy (ART), the mortality from human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) has decreased; thus, other comorbidities, such as liver disease, have become increasingly important [1, 2]. End-stage liver disease, often from chronic hepatitis C (CHC), is currently one of the leading causes of death in HIV-positive persons [1, 3–5]. It is estimated that approximately 30% of HIV-positive persons are infected with hepatitis C virus (HCV), with estimates up to 50–90% in persons infected through intravenous drug use [6–9]. Moreover, liver fibrosis is accelerated in persons coinfected with HIV and HCV ("coinfection") [10–15]. One study estimated that coinfected persons progress to cirrhosis in 7 years, on average, from time of HCV infection compared to 23 years in HIV-negative persons [10]. Thus, research is needed on mechanisms of fibrosis in liver disease from HCV and potential antifibrotic therapies, especially in coinfection.
During liver injury, hepatic stellate cells become activated and produce elements of extracellular matrix leading to fibrosis [16, 17]. Stellate cell activation is stimulated by profibrotic cytokines, such as transforming growth factor-β1 (TGF-β1), and multiple studies have demonstrated the role of TGF-β1 in liver fibrosis [18–20]. Recent research has focused on the renin-angiotensin system as one mechanism of liver fibrosis, in that angiotensin II, the product of this system, has been shown to augment both TGF-β1 and stellate cells directly [21–26]. Infusion of angiotensin II increased TGF-β1 in bile-duct-ligated mice, accelerating liver fibrosis [27], and angiotensin receptor blockers (ARBs) have been shown to attenuate liver fibrosis by downregulating TGF-β1 production and other components of extracellular matrix that contribute to hepatic fibrogenesis [28–33]. In mouse models of nonalcoholic steatohepatitis (NASH), ARBs decreased activation of hepatic stellate cells and expression of TGF-β1, attenuating liver fibrosis and leading to improved survival [34–36]. Similar results have been seen with angiotensin converting enzyme inhibitors (ACE-Is), as enalapril was found to reduce TGF-β1 and other markers of extracellular matrix in bile-duct-ligated fibrotic mice [37].
In humans, ACE-Is and ARBs are used to slow the progression of fibrosis in diabetic nephropathy and heart failure [38–40]. There are few studies demonstrating their anti-fibrotic effects in chronic liver disease [41–44]. A small group of subjects with NASH had decreases in markers of hepatic fibrosis including TGF-β1, less activation of stellate cells, and histological improvement on liver biopsy after treatment with ARBs [41, 42]. In CHC, one study showed that subjects given ARBs had decreases in TGF-β1 concentrations and smaller areas of fibrosis when compared to subjects not treated with angiotensin blockade [43]. In a study of patients with CHC and hypertension, subjects receiving angiotensin-blocking agents had significantly less fibrosis than subjects who had not received these medications. These results suggested an association between liver fibrosis and hypertension, mediated via the renin-angiotensin system, and demonstrated a beneficial role of angiotensin blockade in CHC-related fibrosis [45]. Similarly, a recent prospective study compared 12 patients with CHC and hypertension who were treated with an ARB to those not receiving an ARB [46]. Those receiving an ARB showed significant improvements in liver fibrosis, as assessed by noninvasive indices of fibrosis. Last, a retrospective study in liver-transplant recipients with HCV recurrence showed that subjects receiving an ACE-I/ARB had less graft fibrosis [44]. To our knowledge, no studies have examined the use of angiotensin inhibition in coinfection, which is a population with more rapidly progressive liver disease.
We hypothesized that subjects treated with angiotensin blockade therapeutics would have decreased levels of fibrosis as measured by noninvasive indices of fibrosis, including the aspartate aminotransferase to platelet ratio index (APRI) [47], the FIB-4 index [48, 49], and the Forns score [50]. These indices have been validated in the literature as noninvasive indices of liver fibrosis for use in HCV and in coinfection [51–54]. We retrospectively examined the potential anti-fibrotic effects of angiotensin blockade in subjects coinfected with HIV and HCV.
This is a retrospective chart review of a cohort of 199 subjects with HIV/HCV coinfection in the Mount Sinai Medical Center HIV Clinic from June 2006 to October 2007. Men and women who were at least 18 years old were included if they had documented infection with both HIV and HCV. Subjects were excluded if they were actively undergoing treatment for HCV or if they had a positive HCV antibody but no detectable viral load; 156 patients were included in the final analysis. The protocol was approved by the Institutional Review Board of the Mount Sinai School of Medicine, and all work was conducted in accordance with the Declaration of Helsinki.
Using written and computerized chart data over three years, the following information was abstracted for each subject: age, gender, race, ethnicity, body mass index (BMI) (kg/cm2), current medications, CD4 lymphocyte count (cells/mL), HIV viral load (copies/mL), quantitative HCV RNA (IU/mL), alcohol use, diabetic indicators (hemoglobin A1C, degree of proteinuria, and measures of preserved blood glucose), liver biopsy results (using the Scheuer score [55] of 4 as indicative of severe fibrosis), radiographic studies commenting on the degree of liver injury or indicators of advanced fibrosis (such as varices, ascites, and/or splenomegaly), and laboratory data used to compute the noninvasive indices, as described below. Biopsy data, when available, was combined with radiologic findings to make a clinical determination of the extent of liver disease. This clinical data was then used to validate the noninvasive indices of fibrosis (see Section 3). Using a computerized medical database, serological data including platelets, aspartate aminotransferase (AST), alanine aminotransferase (ALT), albumin, gamma-glutamyl transferase (GGT), and total cholesterol were collected for all subjects at time of data collection, one year prior to that time and three years prior to data collection. As this was a retrospective chart review, all data (current, one year prior, and three years prior) was collected at one point in time. These values were used to determine the APRI [47], the FIB-4 index [48, 49], and the Forns score [50]. Each of the indices has cut-off scores, predetermined and validated in HCV monoinfected persons (and in coinfected persons for the FIB-4 index) that are predictive of significant fibrosis: for the APRI, a score greater than 1.5 has a positive predictive value (PPV) of 91% for significant fibrosis (Ishak fibrosis score [56] >4) [47]; for the FIB-4, a score greater than 3.25 has a PPV of 65% for significant fibrosis (Ishak fibrosis score >3) [48]; for the Forns, a score greater than 6.9 has a PPV of 79% for significant fibrosis (Scheuer's classification stage >2) [50]. We reexamined these indices in our study population as well and found them to be valid in measuring significant fibrosis (see Section 3).
In order to compare the univariate analysis of baseline characteristics, chi-square and Fisher's exact tests were used for categorical data; Student's t- and Mann-Whitney tests were used for continuous, normally distributed and nonparametric data, respectively. The noninvasive indices were compared across three groups: one group had taken an ACE-I or ARB for one year, one group for up to three years, and one group had not taken these medications, referred to as the control group. For each comparison, the three noninvasive indices were analyzed as dichotomous variables using the chi-square analysis and the predefined cut-off values, and as continuous variables. Linear regression models were used to identify factors independently associated with the aforementioned outcomes. Variables with Pvalues <0.25 on a univariate basis or that were biologically plausible were included in the multivariate models. SPSS version 16 software was used for the analysis.
Baseline characteristics of the 156 subjects are shown in Table 1. Forty-two subjects (26.9%) had an exposure to an ACE-I/ARB: 33 (21.2%) had taken an ACE-I/ARB for at least one year and 23 (14.7%) had taken an ACE-I/ARB for three years. The majority of subjects were taking an ACE-I (lisinopril, enalapril, quinapril, or fosinopril); one subject was taking losartan. Subjects in the control group were younger and were significantly less likely to be black compared to the group exposed to an ACE-I/ARB. The median HIV viral load in subjects who had detectable viremia was significantly higher in the control group compared to the group exposed to an ACE-I/ARB, but the percentage of subjects with an undetectable viral load was similar between the groups (52.6% versus 66.7%, resp.) as were the median CD4 cell counts. There was no difference between the groups in alcohol use or in prior treatment with interferon, and the median HCV RNA was similar between the groups. Forty-nine subjects (31%) had biopsy data; there were no paired or serial biopsies. Fifty subjects (32%) had severe fibrosis by biopsy or had radiological indicators of advanced fibrosis; this was not significantly different between the groups. The groups did differ significantly on prevalence of diabetes and other diabetic indicators such as proteinuria and levels of hemoglobin A1C; subjects in the control group were significantly less likely to have diabetes than subjects taking an ACE-I/ARB.
There were significant associations between the aforementioned cut-off values predictive of significant fibrosis for all indices and clinical evidence of advanced fibrosis (biopsy data and radiological indicators of advanced liver disease) (Table 2). In the present study, when compared to clinical indicators of fibrosis, an APRI score of less than 0.5 had a negative predictive value (NPV) to exclude any fibrosis of 86.9% (P < .001); a score greater than 1.5 had a PPV for significant fibrosis of 68.4% (P < .001). This is compared to an NPV of 86% and a PPV of 88% based on the original literature in a monoinfected population [47]. The prevalence of advanced fibrosis in the original study was 47% compared to 32% prevalence in this study, possibly accounting for the higher PPV in the original study. A FIB-4 score of less than 1.45 had an NPV of 89.7% for excluding any fibrosis (P = .002), and a score greater than 3.25 had a PPV of 62.7% (P < .001). These results were similar to the original literature, an NPV of 90% and a PPV of 65% [48]. A Forns score less than 4.2 had an NPV for excluding fibrosis of 100% in this sample (P = .01), a score greater than 6.9 had a PPV of 64.1% (P < .001). These results were similar to the original literature, an NPV of 96% and a PPV of 66% [50].
On univariate analysis, fibrosis scores for subjects taking ACE-Is/ARBs for less than three years, but at least one year, were no different than scores for the control group on any of the indices (Tables (Tables33--4).4). Fibrosis scores for subjects taking ACE-Is/ARBs for at least three years were no different than scores for the controls on the APRI and FIB-4 (Tables (Tables33--4)4) but were significantly higher than scores for the controls on the Forns index when analyzed as continuous variables using a Student's t-test (9.31 and 6.83 resp., P < 0.001) (Table 3). On chi-square analysis, all 12 subjects (100%) in the ACE-I/ARB group had a Forns score greater than 6.9, indicative of significant fibrosis, versus 47.4% in the control group (P < 0.001) (Table 4).
These results were verified in multivariate analysis (Table 5). Factors predicting higher Forns scores (68 observations) included ACE-I/ARB use for three years, clinical evidence of advanced fibrosis, older age, black race, and lower HIV viral load. The use of ACE-I/ARBs for at least three years was independently associated with an elevated Forns score when adjusted for the aforementioned variables (P < 0.001). The combination of the above variables created a significant linear regression model (P < 0.001) with the highest adjusted R 2 (0.587) and the lowest standard error (1.50). Table 5 lists the variables associated with an elevated Forns score along with the additional variables that were rejected from the model. There were no significant interactions found between any of the variables in the final model.
We hypothesized that subjects treated with angiotensin blockers would have decreased levels of fibrosis as measured by noninvasive indices when compared to subjects not exposed to these medications. Conversely, we found that angiotensin blockade in a cohort of coinfected subjects did not attenuate the progression of liver fibrosis. In fact, there was a statistically significant correlation of worsening fibrosis on the Forns index for subjects who had taken ACE-Is/ARBs for three years compared to subjects who had not been exposed to these medications. While not statistically significant, the trend in the ACE-I/ARB group was progressively worse in all groups at one year and continued to worsen when going back three years. This finding is in contrast to prior data that portrayed an anti-fibrotic effect of angiotensin inhibition. To our knowledge, though, this is the only study that has looked at angiotensin inhibition in subjects with coinfection.
There are a few plausible explanations for our conflicting results. First, we did not distinguish between subjects who were taking an ARB or an ACE-I. A recent study in bile-duct-ligated mice suggests that ARBs may be more effective in suppressing hepatic fibrosis compared to ACE-Is [57]. A future study may show different results depending on the method of angiotensin suppression. In addition, there was no standardization of dose of ACE-I or ARB. It is possible that high doses of these medications could lower blood pressure enough to impair liver perfusion causing worsening of fibrosis scores. Doses of these medications should be standardized in future research.
Another possible explanation is that subjects taking an ACE-I or ARB had more unmeasured comorbidities than subjects not on these medications. The ACE-I or ARB may have been added for HIV-associated or diabetic nephropathy, hypertension, or heart failure. It is possible that these subjects appeared to have elevated fibrosis scores because they were sicker than the group that did not require these medications. On multivariate analysis, though, ACE-I/ARB use was independently associated with an elevated Forns score, after controlling for co-morbidities such as diabetes. In addition, older subjects and subjects of black race had significantly higher Forns scores, which is consistent with data from prior studies that have shown worsening disease and poorer treatment responses in these groups [58, 59]. Subjects in the control group were younger and were significantly less likely to be black when compared to the ACE-I/ARB group, which could have created a healthier control group.
There also could be a deleterious interaction between HIV positivity and angiotensin blockade or between ART for HIV and ACE-Is/ARBs. On multivariate analysis, lower levels of HIV viral load were associated with elevated Forns scores. It is possible that subjects who had lower HIV viral loads were taking ART and had medication-induced liver toxicity either from the combination of ACE-Is/ARBs and ART or from ART alone. This explanation could be examined by comparing fibrosis indices in a similar cohort of subjects with HCV monoinfection who have been treated with an ACE-I or ARB.
A recent study in CHC monoinfection relates the possibility that the effects of angiotensin inhibition may occur earlier in liver fibrosis and may be missed in persons with advanced liver disease, often seen in coinfection [60]. This study used data from the Hepatitis C Long-term Treatment against Cirrhosis (HALT-C) Trial [61] to evaluate the effects of continuous ACE-I/ARB use for 3.5 years on liver fibrosis progression as determined by serial liver biopsies [60]. Researchers were unable to demonstrate a benefit for angiotensin blockade in attenuating progression of liver fibrosis: 33.3% of subjects on an ACE-I/ARB had a 2-point increase in fibrosis, compared to 32.5% and 25.7% of subjects on other antihypertensives or on no medications, respectively (P = 0.21). The authors comment that the majority of their subjects had significant fibrosis at baseline, which is similar to our coinfected cohort. If angiotensin inhibitors exert maximal antifibrogenic effects early in the fibrosis process and have decreased activity at later stages of fibrosis, the affects of these medications may be missed in a cohort with advanced liver disease. This may especially be true in coinfection as the progression of liver injury is often more rapid than in HCV monoinfection; thus, it would be prudent to determine the anti-fibrotic nature of these medications soon after diagnosis of HCV, before the development of liver fibrosis.
One reason for the limited number of human studies in liver fibrosis is the need for invasive measurements, such as liver biopsy, to record the progression of liver disease. Moreover, liver biopsy has been shown to be a less than ideal gold standard for comparison. Recent research has focused on noninvasive indices of liver fibrosis, using common laboratory values to estimate the severity of liver disease. Three of these indices, the Forns score, the APRI, and the FIB-4, were used and validated in the present study to document liver fibrosis in subjects with coinfection. We found a correlation between the presence or lack of significant fibrosis as determined by radiological and biopsy data and level of fibrosis as determined by the use of these noninvasive indices in coinfected subjects. The PPVs were too low to be considered clinically useful, but the NPVs for all of the indices were high enough to make them clinically relevant in ruling out significant fibrosis. This is important as these indices may be used to identify persons at low risk for significant fibrosis and possibly decrease the need for liver biopsies in this group. At more advanced levels of immunosuppression from HIV it seems possible that some of these markers would be susceptible to error, such as from HIV-associated thrombocytopenia. The present study validated these indices despite a range of CD4 counts and HIV viral loads. The best use of these indices in a coinfected population would be to rule out significant fibrosis and avoid biopsy, possibly in a patient who is delaying treatment and has no other signs of hepatic inflammation.
The current study has limitations that prevent definitive conclusions on the effects of angiotensin inhibition. Due to the retrospective nature of the study, causation cannot be inferred. Prospective and ideally randomized controlled trials are needed to determine if these medications may have hepatic toxicity alone, or in combination with ART. Also, fibrosis scores became higher overtime, as cumulative exposure to an ACE-I or ARB was increasing. There were a small number of subjects on ACE-Is/ARBs consistently over the years, though, which may have limited our power to detect a significant difference between the groups earlier than three years. To verify this trend, further research should follow a larger number of subjects over a longer period of time, including the time preceding significant liver fibrosis. Last, we did not have data on other mechanisms of fibrosis, such as non-alcoholic fatty liver disease (NAFLD). Although we collected data on body mass index and diabetes, we did not always have a biopsy-proven diagnosis of NAFLD, which may result in higher fibrosis scores despite being on an ACE-I or ARB.
In conclusion, in the present study, we validated three noninvasive indices of fibrosis in an HIV/HCV coinfected cohort. As liver biopsy is not without risk, it may be useful to have noninvasive methods to rule out advanced liver disease in coinfection. We did not find a beneficial effect of angiotensin blockade in these subjects, contradicting prior studies in HCV monoinfection. Of concern was that subjects taking an ACE-I or ARB had higher levels of fibrosis than controls after three years on one of the indices. Despite the aforementioned limitations, treatment with an ACE-I or ARB to slow liver fibrosis in coinfection requires further study. There could be a deleterious interaction between HIV positivity and angiotensin blockade that could be examined by comparing fibrosis indices in a cohort of subjects with HCV monoinfection who have been exposed to these medications.
D. A. Fishbein, the paper research was previously funded by NIDA K23 DA18623. This research was supported (in part) by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease.
The authors thank the patients at the Mount Sinai Jack Martin Fund Clinic for their participation.
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October 27th, 2006, 05:14 PM #1Google Search vs. Search Network
Google AdWords PPC specialists:
How crappy is the traffic generated by the campaign setting "Show my ads on:" and with "Search Network" box checked in addition to Google Search? I've read various nightmarish things on ABW about AdSense ads, parked domain ads, etc being NOT part of the Content Network but part of the Search Network or even Google Search, but maybe I'm somewhat confused. I generally don't use the Content due to poor conversions, but should I be turning off "Search Network" too? Those of you with experience on this, can you enlighten us as to what Google isn't telling us in their help area (which I read very carefully and it doesn't mention parked domains) about the Search Network partners, please?
Breakdown as I see it:
1) Google Search: supposedly JUST searches done on the Google search engine itself (and thus my ads only showing on sponsored search results), but I'm not so sure...
2) Search Network: Ask.com, AOL, all the other partners listed in the help area; where else?
3) Content Network: GMail, a ton of "content partners", AdSense ads on various sites.
Which of the 3 categories are the parked domain ads shown for? Am I correct that AdWords ads on sites that use AdSense are only shown if I have the Content box checked, or otherwise? If I want my ads to show up only when someone actually does a Google search engine search, maybe even with only category 1) checked I might be out of luck.
Also, has anyone done a comparison of the volume of clicks and quality of clicks with Google Search ONLY vs. Google Search+Search Network? I know this depends on the market and other factors, but perhaps just a general trend. If the quality of Search Network is generally poor, since we can't change these bids independently of Google Search maybe I should consider just turning Search Network off. If it gets a high volume of clicks though, the choice isn't so easy.
Thanks in advance, PPCers.
October 27th, 2006, 05:37 PM #2
There's a lot of questions in you post, maybe too many to tackle all at once without getting things confused.
+Parked domains are part of your 2).
+Besides AOL and Ask, there are 1,000's of search partners, many thousands - like ESPN and many, many more.
+Yes, if you turn off Content Network, your ads won't show through AdSense on people's websites.
+Yes, many people have done studies on quality and volume - I've done literally hundreds of such studies - why so many, because the results change over time and are unique to what each advertiser / campaign does including bid types, match types, ad types, markets aimed at, adwords settings and much more - it isn't easy to tell you what'll be right for you. Generally G does a great job in policing their search network and also automatically adjusting the prices you pay per click based on quality (called SmartPricing) - so I'd suggest you start campaigns with both G and G-Search, but without G-content. If you find what you're doing is profitable, it is more important to tune it at G + G-S than to spread it to G-C / content. Once it's stable and profitable, try content by starting at 1/3rd the bid you found worked best in G + G-Search. Raise and lower G-C separately from there. Keep in mind that running G-C mixes your text ads stats together, so once G-C is running, your masking the CTR of your ads - in G-C land, CTR doesn't matter - so you're blindfolding yourself statistically on the ad front - and your G + G-S will suffer unless you're already itrerated and pared and tuned your ads in G + G-S land first. Content can be great and it can suck - G doesn't determine that really, but rather the universe of webmasters out there and the quality of their sites and traffic - and the competing G-C bidders. Keep in mind the enormous difference between somebody going to G and searching for something and somebody who's browsing a content site and sees your ad - it's nobody's fault that content network normally convert lower, it is the nature of what it is. Searching / shopping versus browsing.
Good luck.
October 27th, 2006, 05:52 PM #3
THANKS. Great information! I saw your post in the SAS group about your 2006 performance so far, and was hoping you'd reply to my post.
Ugh, parked domains are part of Search Network. I really wish they wouldn't do that. Just how successful in converting can ads be that run on a site that someone gets to because they typo'd? That's not "search" at all. Also in the case of "search partner" sites like ESPN, while they for example have a search box, ESPN is not a search engine in the traditional sense so I'm wary of their click traffic quality.
As for AdSense being only shown for Content Network, I'm glad to hear that.
October 27th, 2006, 06:02 PM #4Originally Posted by spacedog
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October 27th, 2006, 06:45 PM #6
Under the search network you're going to have to add all the big shopping engines...I've already told them that that should be considered content and not search, but who am i to say. Just an affiliate with a product feed.....although less complex than shopping.com, shopzilla.com and the others.
I asked if there was a full list and they were unable to provide one or offer an opt out for this type of "search"
October 27th, 2006, 07:38 PM #7
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I wish Google would break out the Google Search and Google search network stats like they do the content network stats. Bundling them together just masks the click quality issues. Parked domains not only are click traps but also targets for the click Zombie Bots and the "get paid to" type creaps. My clients have zilch fraud on the content network side due to my control of fraud triggering variables. They are concerned by the parked domain made for adsense click traps.
Google Analytics should be able to track conversion success by identifying Google Search network stats. Unfortunately it's blind tracking which clicks converting came from GSN. Maybe Donuts would advise me whether I should turn off GSN as all the real Comparision and shopping portables already buy Adwords/Overture clicks to my clients sites. I have no problem with natural SERP exposure as those convert at a steady 1/20 basis.Webmaster's... Mike and Charlie
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Averaging out all the merchants I promote via AdWords, I have found that the conversion rate and costs are bascially the same for Google Search and for the Google search network. If we turn off the search network, our costs halve and our profits halve.[URL=http://ProxyGrader.com]ProxyGrader.com[/URL]
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October 28th, 2006, 12:39 AM #9
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November 21st, 2006, 05:33 PM #11
I had always assumed that the content and search stats are not "intertwined" when it comes to how Google decides your CTR, and therefore your relevance and costs per click. But based on what Donuts said I'm not so sure:
you're blindfolding yourself statistically on the ad front - and your G + G-S will suffer unless you're already itrerated and pared and tuned your ads in G + G-S land first.
As has been stated before many times, one of the prime reasons most advertisers use AdWords in the first place is so they do not have to do the very difficult and unpredictable SEO, wait the long amounts of time for the SEO to (possibly) yield results in the SERPs, and then live and die on a changing algorithm which often moves results around wildly in the SERPs. Google is forcing their paying AdWords customers to do it anyway. Paying to have your advertisements placed, even in a bidding system, should not be complicated and unpredictable. In every other medium it is very straightforward. I seriously doubt it would be difficult for Google's staff to get rid of most of the arbitragers amd spammers to give its visitors "a better experience"; the vast majority of arbitrage is done by a small number of players, especially as Google has now let the world know that this kind of advertising is against their rules. Policing that should not require a hit-or-miss algorithm which has stomped on a huge number of legitimate, honest advertisers.
Sorry ticketguyz, got a little off topic there. Every time I think about Google's internal processes and try to decipher how they actually work their AdWords program, I cringe. Then, I get a little angry and feel like venting. It's very hard for me to imagine that it's a "visitor experience improvement" reason for their changes, when it's easy for them to mask a profit-increasing strategy under the guise of making "improvements" for their "customers" (not their, say, shareholders).
November 21st, 2006, 09:22 PM #12
Thanks Spacedog... hopefully Donuts will pop in here soon and give us some more clarity. Guess I could always e-mail Google =) Never think of that, but they're actually pretty responsive compared to many other things in the affiliate world.
November 22nd, 2006, 12:17 PM #13Originally Posted by ticketguyz
November 22nd, 2006, 12:35 PM #14
you're blindfolding yourself statistically on the ad front - and your G + G-S will suffer unless you're already itrerated and pared and tuned your ads in G + G-S land first.
Originally Posted by spacedog
generally speaking, people looking at adwords interface, when both search and content are enabled, are looking at aggregated ad stats when they're creating ads and evaluating which ads are underperforming... under the ad variations tab...
so if CTR matters only on the search side...
why would you look at aggregated search+content ad stats to pass judgment on which ads are working well or not?
you can run reports and separate content and search CTR stats for your ads, but generally, most people are looking at aggregated content+search stats as they pass judgment on their ads in the adwords gui... this is a mistake in my opinion.
if you start with just search, you avoid this issue altogether and focus on search, where roi will be highest normally anyhow. then later, if warranted, you can go back in an layer in content (at a lower, separate bids) and experiment from there...
but you shouldn't judge your text ads CTRs by looking at an ad's aggregated search+content CTR stats - cuz it's the search CTR that you really want to maximize. text ads CTR on search and content are vastly different - so don't mingle them when trying to make/cull the best ads for max search CTR.
there's more to this (how content matching works and how it impacts your campaign design and ctr maximization process), but i'm long winded already here. trust me, in the long run you'll do much, much better overall if you avoid content at first - tune, tweak and optimize on search until you've got roi where you want it. then, and only then, experiment with layering in content.
November 22nd, 2006, 09:21 PM #15
Thanks Donuts, that makes complete sense to me. I barely ever use the AdWords reporting functions as the standard GUI has what I'm looking for. Of course I could probably tune things even better if I used the reports, which I just noticed can now be used to track hourly performance of ads and keywords. But I concentrate my efforts elsewhere since I have so many campaigns on three different PPC search engines, and keep adding more. Man, I could hire a team to improve my PPC performance with just what I have now as a part-time biz.
I've generally been doing what you suggest; tweak campaigns on the search side until they do well in terms of ROI, then I try out content (in selected campaigns) at a much lower CPC to see how that goes.
Wise words as always from one of the masters! Donuts, if you aren't by now marketing your own informational products online or off, you really really should be. The problem would be cutting through the clutter of lousy get rich quick ebooks and low content high priced crap that pervades the industry, and making yours stand out. I've thought of doing this myself but I don't know how I'd get mine to be visible over all the chaff.
November 23rd, 2006, 09:18 AM #16Originally Posted by ecomcity
Every so often they send me a survey. Invariably, this survey has questions regarding why I do not use the content network. The answer is simple. It cannot be measured which makes it very similar to gambling... the difference being that you have no idea if you won or how much. Only Guesses. In my experience, there is an obvious difference in conversion rates from search-driven traffic vs. contextual/impulse/ima-lost-surfer type traffic. Despite this, the only tool that G has provided is the ability to adjust bids for the content network. Even that feature took way too long to implement. Regardless, without the ability to use a seperate tracking url for the content network, I am not likely to use it.
The strategy, presented by donuts, of using a content network bid of 1/3 the search network could work and is probably a "safe" bid level. However, I would be more likely to try out another advertsing channel which could be measured or (even more likely) invest my time in learning/promoting a new program than to roll the dice on questionable traffic... particulary true because I feel that G can easily provide a solution to measure this traffic.
November 23rd, 2006, 09:32 AM #17Originally Posted by spacedog
Your mileage may vary depending on industry.
November 23rd, 2006, 01:07 PM #18
For the record, I suggested 1/3 your search bid as a starting point, not the final bid. I have at time found places where the content bid is justifiably higher than the search bid - it's rare, but can happen. You might also find that 1/3 is too high a bid for your target ROI.
G's content network is worth experimenting with because it's reach is huge - you can get a lot of good traffic from it. In Y, they mix the crapola in with the good stuff to a higher degree than G and don't have smart pricing adjustments either. Once you've tried G search, Y search, MSN search, all that's left to play with is G content in my opinion (regarding ppc text ads).
November 23rd, 2006, 03:08 PM #19
Donuts, it is interesting that you are having some success with the content network. The last time I tried it was prior to separate bids for content... & it was a disa$ter as compared to search network only.
Maybe I will give it another whirl with a much lower bid for content.
See, I learned something here already.
November 24th, 2006, 12:48 PM #20
compared to it's early days, separate bids and smart pricing changes everything. content is usually worth a try.
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