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How much is a $70 backpack worth?
If you're a student, the answer is a lot more than $70. It probably contains a smart phone worth at least $200-and a tablet, e-reader or laptop worth between $300 or $1000. For a visual arts major sporting a Macbook Pro, add a thousand or more to that total. And don't forget textbooks, with a semester value of $1000 or more for a full-time student. Add to this the immeasurable value of the data on each device and the cost of managing the loss or theft of the device.
Now the dilemma emerges. When students are carrying personal effects with significant value, and accessibility is limited for security reasons, how do universities provide secured storage for student belongings?
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As a manufacturer of electronic locks for lockers and cabinets, we've seen the demand for these products expand far beyond the health club and university athletics markets. In fact, product evolution has been driven by changes in the personal security needs of colleges and universities.
The first evolution was away from traditional dial and key builtin locks and padlocks to electronic keypad locks with management control capabilities. Students, primarily athletes, gain access to their assigned lockers with a keypad code entry. Facility personnel manage those locks with a manager key or code for security breaches or forgotten codes. The next evolution moved locks out of the team locker room and into mainstream campus areas, driven by increasing concern over campus violence, and the illustrated value of personal belongings.
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Whether cafeteria or food court, campus dining requires feeding a large student population, often with big crowds at peak hours.
Universities are now offering temporary, locking storage for backpacks and personal belongings at food service entry points. Students place their belongings in a locker, lock it with a pin code, and return after eating to unlock it with the same pin code. The locker is ready for the next user with a different pin code. For students, it prevents them from carrying a potentially large or heavy backpack along with the food tray they've just purchased. From the university's standpoint, checking bags at the door adds a measure of security in a place where large numbers of students gather.
Secure shopping
We're all familiar with checking shopping bags at the entry of a retail store. It's also a widely-used loss prevention practice at college bookstores. Students enter, leave their backpacks at a storage area, complete their purchases and retrieve their backpack. Twenty years ago, few of us had any concerns about leaving a backpack with notebooks and a few text books at the front of the store in an open cubby. Remember that $1000 backpack? Today, no one is leaving that unattended. The solution: backpack lockers, secured with a temporary use digital lock. These front-of-store lockers aren't always the traditional metal door type either. For better security and visibility of locker contents, lockers are now purchased with a clear polycarbonate or plexiglass style door.
Student privacy
Just as is the policy in most membership-based gyms and health clubs, mobile phones or other devices with cameras are not allowed in changing rooms and lockers rooms on college campuses. Many universities that have student centers with athletic facilities offer wallet lockers with the same temporary use electronic locks used in food service areas and bookstores. Wallet lockers are small, cubby style lockers, often with clear doors, located in a common area outside the fitness rooms.
Classes and school supplies
Many academic pursuits involve labs, studios, and other classroom environments where it is either required or advantageous for students to leave behind supplies-think lab coats, visual art supplies, personal safety equipment. Some even involve a uniform or supply exchange program. While the lockers are similar to those on campus in other areas, the lockers are assigned to a single student for use throughout his or her semester class.
Who, where and when
The campus security plan that describes where students can be on campus- along with what they can carry with them to each part of campus-is the driver for the next evolution of locks and lockers. On nearly every college campus, students use an RFID (radio frequency identification) card for a host of transactions-dormitory access, food service payment, academic building access, parking lot and garage use. Add locker access to that list.
RFID locker locks, working on a number of RFID frequency platforms, are growing in use on campuses every year. RFID card reading locks, implemented as part of an integrated security system, provide access control and audit trail. That is, they define who can or cannot enter an area and they track who has entered an area. Access control and audit trail on lockers utilizing RFID locks offers campuses significant tracking on how often lockers are used, by whom and for what length of time. Integrated security solutions will continue to advance, offering universities increasingly more sophisticated campus access, tracking and security measures.
Changes in campus security happen every day. Product innovations, new security threats, and the demands of student populations converge to reform how universities protect the person and personal belongings of those they educate. From the partnerships we have with vendors who provide security measures, we expect continuing advancements in the use of RFID technology, the integration of smart phone controls and apps, and collaboration to develop solutions that not only answer but exceed the safety expectations of university constituents.
is the Vice President of Sales & Marketing at Digilock, a global leader in electronic lock solutions. A former adjunct professor of marketing communications, she specializes in product positioning and strategic sales and marketing. For more information about Digilock, go to www.digilock.com.


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Black Canyon Quilt Show, Inc. would like to announce the two judges that will judge quilts entered into the 2017 Black Canyon Quilt Show to be held July 21-23, 2017 at the Montrose Pavilion in Montrose, Colorado – Candy Droz, certified by the National Association of Certified Quilt Judges and the National Quilting Association; and Bobbie A. Aug, certified quilt appraiser, historian, teacher, author, and quiltmaker. We are excited to have them share their expertise and years of experience with us.
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Spirituality and FaithEver since my stay in the 'hospital'...i have become increasingly interested and aware of spirituality and faith. I had the hospital chaplan come and pay me some visits, and she recommended a book for me to read. It's called "travelling mercies"..some thoughts on faith...
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Penelope Cruz is taking a break
Lovely Latina Penelope Cruz has decided 10 years of nonstop moviemaking warrants a much-needed break.
The 27-year-old Cruz told German Instyle magazine she is planning a "short time-out" and would not start any new projects for at least six months.
"I wouldn't have had it any other way and I've had fun. But now I urgently need a break," she said in the interview.
Cruz started dating superstar Tom Cruise after they starred together in Cameron Crowe's Vanilla Sky. Yet, she has denied she taking this break to start a family.
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In round one of which high school has the best team name has put the Superior Spartans against the Moose Lake Willow River Rebels.
In round one of which high school has the best team name has put the Superior Spartans against the Moose Lake Willow River Rebels.
The I.W.A. kicks off it's season in the Northland this Saturday and Sunday for the Moose Lake Cold Water Challenge, and racers from all over the country will be competing.
The Minnesota Vikings announced today (August 16) they are teaming up with the United Way and many communities in the greater Duluth area to raise money and awareness in support of those impacted by the devastating flooding in June.
If you've seen the devastation Barnum and Moose Lake have suffered from during the flood last week here are a couple ways you can help. Some of the most needed items are gift cards for food and gas...
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The city of Moose Lake has declared a state of emergency following the closing of a bridge on Highway 73...
It's a big weekend in the world of IWA Races. That would be the International Watercross Association. Sleds on open water! This weekend at the Moose Lake Grand Prix, will be my third go-around in one of most exciting events on water!
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While getting out of his highly publicized relationship with Naya Rivera, Big Sean looks to get his life back in order and focus on his music. Finding comfort and solace in his friendship with up and comer, Ariana Grande. Along the way, both begin to question if what they have is really just friendship between them as they go through the ups and downs together.
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Vintage road trip drives home men's health message
A vintage car is travelling 6,000 kilometres around Queensland this month to raise awareness about men's health.
Brisbane adventurer Lang Kidby is coordinating the effort and is currently in Boulia in the state's far west.
The 1915 car travels about 50 kilometres an hour and will head to Gulf of Carpentaria communities before coming back through Longreach and Charleville and finishing in Brisbane next month.
Mr Kidby says the aim is to encourage men to see a GP for a check-up.
"Blokes in the bush are dying at nearly twice the rate that blokes in the city are because they leave things far too late," he said.
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He says last year more men died of prostate cancer than women died of breast cancer.
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"Every time we stop in a little town or where there's some truck drivers sitting beside the road, they all come over wanting to look at the car and we can ambush them and say, 'how long since you've had a check-up?'
"My wife Bev is following along behind us and her job is to talk to the wives.
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Ford Mustang (2005) vs. 2005 Pontiac GTO
"The new GTO looks like every other late model Pontiac."
True, And the 1964-1966 GTO looked like every other Pontiac as well too !! They were rebadged Lemans. The GTO did not get it's own body style until 1967 or 1968.
Looking at the entire market.....in the past few years, GM abandoned the F-bodies saying they could no longer make a business case to sell V8 coupes. That left the Mustang, all alone in the segment. While, I'm not a big Fox platform fan, Ford still sold plenty. With both GM and to a lesser degree, Chrysler, pulling out of the market, the Mustang was there all alone.
Enter the GTO in '04. Disappointing sales (scheduled to sell 18K, sold 14K or thereabouts). Some say it was the styling that was the cause of the "slow debut". Some way it was slapping a GTO badge on an Australian car. Some say it was the handling/weight of the GTO. Who knows? Point is, when GM entered back into the market in '04, they weren't met with good sales numbers.
Entering '05 .....new S197 platform for the new '05 Mustang. The Mustang sold roughly 140,000 '04s. Of that 140K, about 42K of those were of the V8 variety. Ford plans to sell 150,000 '05s. A few months into the new year and it's clear Ford has a runaway success. They up production to 190,000 units. Of that, about 57,000 are V8 GTs. About 13,000 people who wanted an '05 Mustang GT, couldn't get one. Their orders were cancelled. So, it's reasonable to say, Ford could have sold 70,000 '05 Mustang GTs.
Whether it was the looks, the performance, the handling, the steering, or a combination of all the ingredients, it's clear that Ford got the recipe right with the '05 Mustang. I don't think any of us Mustang owners would debate that the Mustang equals more than the sum of its parts. It's visual appeal stops people in their tracks, even with so many now on the roads. I can't go to the grocery store, stop for gas, park in a parking lot, without people gathering around the car to talk about it. I can't tell you how many people have said they wanted one, or tried to get one, but couldn't. Once I get in and start it up, it grabs attention of all those around me. I've honestly, never seen anything quite like it before.
The public's buying dollar is what defines the success, or lack of success in the marketplace. As best I can tell, in two model years ('04 & '05), GM will sell roughly 30,000 GTOs. Ford has sold almost twice that amount in one model year (and could have sold more).
Chrysler has taken note of this phenomena and brings out the Charger (not my cup of tea....but they want a piece of the pie, too). Plus, there are rumblings there will be a Dodge Challenger in the marketplace in the next few years.
This takes nothing away from the current iteration of the GTO, but it's clear GM wants back into the segment based on the sales of the Mustang. They release some sketches of an '08? GTO that they're working on.
I say if they "tweak" those sketches a bit. Improve the handling, steering and shifting, they'll have a "hit" on their hands. I don't think it would be unreasonable to think they could sell 50K, 60K, maybe even 70K GTOs if they follow through on their plans. Needless to say, the next step GM takes with the GTO (will they offer an '07?....will there really be an '08?) is critical if they want to mine some of the success the Mustang has enjoyed.2018 Acura TLX SH AWD ASpec
"The public's buying dollar is what defines the success, or lack of success in the marketplace. "
The 2002-2005 Monaro (GTO-LuminaSS-/Vauxhall etc sold 4x better world-wide then Holden had predicted/hoped for ! It was the #1 selling sports coupe in Austrailia too. Sounds like a success. Esp for a car that was barely advertised here. There will be NO 2007 GTO, probably in 2008.
I like classy, understated, elegant styling. However contrary to what most say...I notice that my BLAND GTO does turn heads all the time; sometimes from the general public, but a lot is from people somehow associated to the car scene or that own other sport cars. I get questions at the gas station, shopping centers, valet parking, red lights, so on and so forth. Invariably I get the following question: Is it true that GTO is really fast? I have had at least a dozen people go out of their way to comment on how SWEET the car is.I have also seen people spin their heads 180 degrees at stop lights to see what in the world was making that sweet rumble. I have several blow their horns at stop lights to get me to roll down my window just to shout out , sweet man, that car is sweet.
The whole point i think people are forgetting is that the GTO isn't an all out muscle car. Everyone reviews it like that, but they forget the car was directed as a euro looking, high powered and comfortable sport coupe with nice roomy seating for 4. If it was all flash and bang, but no luxury inside, like the new Mustang, I i would have dropped it and never considered it in the first place.
The best part is that people are shocked when I tell them it has 400 horse. They think I'm lying. Funny.
Like one of the old GTO ads used to say - if you don't get it - don't get it.
you think the GTO has sale problems; The Toyota Supra was such a poor seller in 96-97 a large portion of supras were sent back to Japan. Don't see any GTO's going back to australia, yeah GTOs didn't move like hotcakes but what non super car - coupe does? Except Mustang-etc.
The Z cars, 300ZX were cancelled in 1997 for LACK of sales.
The Supra was cancelled in 1999 for LACK of sales
Already the '04 GTO has outsold other first year GM performance cars '84 buick grand national and '94 impala SS. :P
I think that was part of the problem.....not enough people "get" the GTO. Again, not a slight, but I believe you have to throw out what is sold in Austrailia, or anywhere else in the world, that the iteration of the Manaro sells in. North America is THE market everyone wants to sell in. It's big and consumers here have the money to buy what they want. Can't say that in just about anywhere else in the world. America is the biggest market (and most competitive) in the car buying world.
Looking back, the Supra, the RX7, etc had priced themselves out of the market. They were sterling sporting machines, but couldn't sustain enough sales volume to be viable in the States.
I'm one of the "customers" that GM should be shooting to snare. They couldn't. I've already made my own reasons known. It's clear. GM has to bring out something that looks & handles as good as it goes. The Mustang has already proven that formula. This really gets back to what's ailing Pontiac and all of GM. They don't seem to have a clue as to what it is that turns potential customers into buyers.
For all our sakes (at least those of us who are fans of V8 muscle), let's hope GM can get it "right" in '08 when/if they reintroduce another GTO.2018 Acura TLX SH AWD ASpec
"This really gets back to what's ailing Pontiac and all of GM. They don't seem to have a clue as to what it is that turns potential customers into buyers"
Ford is doing just as poorly as GM. They have lost the same or more marketshare then GM. Their NEW Ford 500 family 4 door sedan has been a sales failure as reported by CNN-money. Thats a more critical market then 2 door perf. car market. GM still has the V8 Muscle Vette which sells very well, esp for a car that starts at $45k !
"I'm one of the "customers" that GM should be shooting to snare. They couldn't."
Ford couldn't snare me either. Mustang is a nice car, but GTO feels moer upscale-luxury like-comfortable. And when pushed to it's limits handles just as well as Mustang.
Further comment on the "it sells great so it must be better" school of thought:
- is Brittney Spears a better artist than (insert your preferred low sales singer here)? Jacob Dylan sold more copies of one album than his dad has sold in his entire career. Does that make him "better"?
- is Wonderbread better than fresh baked bread available in every supermarket?
- is American Idol the best show on TV?
- is Miller Lite a better beer than Bass?
Mass market popularity really isn't a very good measure of worth. Popularity doesn't make something bad either.
"Mass market popularity really isn't a very good measure of worth. Popularity doesn't make something bad either."
I agree.
Your forgot one...
- Is Titanic the greatest movie of all time because it's $600 million gross record has never been beaten.
This is supposedly the new 2008 GTO, it will use the same 400hp LS2 as at least the base engine. To me this is UGLY. I prefer the current shape. My opinion. Looks like bad visibility out of windows too. Time will tell Ironic that the guy that designed the current Monaro will be designing the new GTO.
"Further comment on the "it sells great so it must be better" school of thought:...."
You guys are missing the point; not sure if it is intentional or what....
All the comparisons between supposedly the 'same' products include the fact that they are marketed to different demographics.
Jacob Dylan is marketed to a different music fan than his dad.
Wonderbread is marketed to a different type of consumer than fresh baked bread from the bakery dept.
American Idol is marketed to a different audience than would rather watch the History Channel.
Miller Lite is marketed to a different beer drinker than Bass.
If Miller Lite had 50% more fans than Bud Lite, that would be a valid reason for saying that, amoung inexpensive domestic lite beers, Miller was 'better'.
If American Idol had 50% more fans than......I dunno....The Bachelor?.....that would be a valid reason to say than amoung trash TV reality programming, American Idol was 'better'.
THEREFORE, when the automotive segment is "RWD V8 powered domestic 4 passenger coupe", I think it IS valid to say that sales prove that more people IN THIS SEGMENT prefer the Mustang.
There are two cars in this market segment right now....the Mustang GT and the GTO. That is the RWD V8 muscle coupe.
I think the vast majority of people who are in the market, in this segment, know that these two are the competitors. For whatever reason, some won't go near the other to make a fair comparison. It maybe because of styling. It may be because of drivetrain. It may be because of brand loyalty.
What is clear, is that given the choice, most are picking the Mustang GT over the GTO by over a 3-1 ratio. If you include the amount of people who wanted the Mustang GT, but couldn't get one, that ratio goes up to 4-1.
The marketplace is always the final judge. To some of you, the GTO is great. That's a good thing. You like the car you bought. But, 3-4 times more think the Mustang is the way to go in the same segment.
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vppreacher Posts: 72Elias,
We are going "round and round," but isn't that the point of a Stang vs. GTO thread? In the end, I'm happy we both chose a great performing pair of modern muscle.
My opinion on the GTO's handling was, as I stated, my opinion. However, I am not alone. Many reviews have echoed my comments and we all have driven a GTO. As for the Mustang's prevalence on the street, why does that matter? I choose a car based on how much I like the looks, handling, and performance. Buying a car to follow the pack or vice versa to run from the group are different sides of the same coin. Personally, I have plenty of aftermarket mods to "personalize" my pony. In the end, I'd rather look like other Mustangs than be constantly mistaken for another Pontiac.
The Mustang GT according to Edmund's goes for about $3,000 less than a GTO on average. That means they are in a similar price range. Numerous reviews, magazine articles, and this forum compare/contrast the two plus the Dodge Charger, because they compete for similar market share. I agree price may be part of the sales difference, but it's not enough to justify the difference in Mustang GT and GTO sales, especially considering the 1,000s of GTs that Ford couldn't deliver or the people that "settled" for a V6.
The caveat here was two cars produced to appeal to similar markets. Comparing the Camry/Maxima to the Mustang is not what we were discussing. The real analogy is if the Camry outsells the Maxima, then the market has subjectively decided it is a better car. The same thing applies with the Mustang GT vs. the GTO.
Again, the reason most buyers and reviewers don't like the GTO's styling is that not only does it have no link to the past, but it also looks like ever othery modern Pontiac. The Mustang whether V6 or GT is distinctly Mustang, past and present.
What I can't understand is regardless of our subjective, enthusiast opinions of our autos, how the overwhelmingly better selling of two cars isn't the better car. Whether it's looks, handling, performance, mojo, or some esoteric combination thereof a car that objectively sells better is a better car.
And I'm spent
"considering the 1,000s of GTs that Ford couldn't deliver or the people that "settled" for a V6. "
Who in their right mind that wants a V8 Mustang, would settle for the V6 model? Not me. To each their own. In my case I would wait for demand and price to drop. I never buy a 1st yr car because of that and any possible bugs, etc.
"how the overwhelmingly better selling of two cars isn't the better car. Whether it's looks, handling, performance, mojo, or some esoteric combination thereof a car that objectively sells better is a better car. "
Mustang starts at $19k GTO $32k, Big Dif, Graphic. Of course Stang is going to sell better.
One example of better product NOT selling better for you...The old Beta vs VHS. Beta was the better system/better picture, but VHS outsold it and won out. Benz AMG E55, doesn't sell as well as GTO but is better. Again, goes to show you that the BETTER car/product doesn't always sell better !!
"Again, the reason most buyers and reviewers don't like the GTO's styling is that not only does it have no link to the past, but it also looks like ever othery modern Pontiac. The Mustang whether V6 or GT is distinctly Mustang, past and present. "
Being as though the last GTO was made in 1974 as a rebadged Nova, we would never know how a GTO would have looked-evolved-linked today, right? As said before, 1964-1966 GTO looked like every other Pontiac too. Didn't get it's own true body until 1968. The new Mustang is distinctly RETRO-Past not present. Not too original. After this Retro generation has run it's 3 to 5 yr course, where does Ford go next? Fox Body retro? LOL.
"A lot of these people just like the Mustang because other people have it, have told them it's cool, etc. In other words, these are not car savvy people. They just want a popular car, and sure, the Mustang is a good looking car. I believe that this segment makes up a large percentage of the Mustang drivers."
I have to agree on that. . Don't forget that 66% of those Stangs are BASE V6 model, nothing special. Certainly not fast or performance car. A certain % are Hertz Rental cars too. It starts at $19k so it will sell better then a car that starts at $32k
"Conversely, I think it would be a pretty safe bet to say that the majority of people driving GTO's know a little something about cars and have selected the GTO after very careful consideration. "
Agree as well. JD PWR survey people rated GTO as most appealing Sporty car, NOT the Mustang!GTO are ALL PERFORMANCE cars that come FULLY loaded std with a 400hp V8. Limited production. Where as only the GT V8 is a performance car.
The Mustang has always outsold the GTO, even 1964 to 1974 when supposedly the GTO was a better looker then todays. The most GTO's ever sold was 89,000 in a year. This GTO is a better sales success then 1972 to 1974 models!
1974 Mustang with a WIMPY 90 hp 4 cyl or optional 110 hp V6 sold 400,000 copies.
1974 GTO with std 200 hp V8 only sold 10,000 copies.
Another example and proof of the better car not selling more. Nova based GTO was a superior/roomier/much faster car then the Pinto underpowered Stang.I would take '74 GTO ANYDAY over a weak-small '74 Stang.
I like your BetaMax vs VHS analogy. Whether it was marketing, or product placement, or out selling to video stores, VHS became dominant even though it wasn't the best product.
The Mustang was cheaper than the GTO back then also.
Guys....I've made the sales comparisons based on the numbers of Mustang GTs sold vs GTOs....not V6 Mustangs.
There's no doubt in my mind that many people bought a Mustang based on looks alone. However, the vast majority that have bought a Mustang GT, are like all of us......enthusiasts of the breed.
It's clear that Ford could have sold around 70,000 MUSTANG GTs, if they could have been produced. They couldn't. As it turns out, Ford sold nearly 60,000 '05 Mustang GTs....in one model year. GTOs numbers are about 1/2 that in two model years.
So, the wild popularity of the Mustang GT has been written about ad nauseum. I doubt more than a few "settled" for a Mustang V6 if what they really wanted was a GT. And, since they continue to be so hard to come by (even with 60,000 owners), I'd say that those of us willing to wait (sometimes for many months) to get one, it was worth the wait.
I, for one, came close to pulling the trigger on a GTO if I couldn't get a Mustang GT. I'm glad I waited. But stating that the GTO was my #2 choice, is still high praise.
Quite frankly, I can't make the connection between video tapes or movie popularity to the Mustang vs GTO discussions. There really are no similarities to cars vs videos.
Considering the way some dealers marked up the Mustang GT and Ford's price increases, to the point where the price was negligible to that of a GTO, with the Mustang still wildly outselling the GTO, price wasn't the issue. Again, the public has spoken with their dollars. We are the final judge.
People are still clammoring for the Mustang GT (and to a lesser extent, the V6). GTOs are still "on the lots". If all someone wanted was a muscle coupe, all they have to do is wander to the local Pontiac store. They're there for the asking. It's clear, what's in demand is the Mustang GT....for all the previous reasons we've all dissected time and time again.
I hope GM understands their customers better with the GTO's next iteration since I think the competition is good for both cars. But, from what I'm hearing on this thread, not many of you are enamored with the '08 sketches you've seen. Personally, I think it's a step in the right direction. If I were the product manager for the '08 GTO, I'd make my first priority to put it on a diet, put a better shifter in it, and tweak the suspension. That would really give GM a clear winner as to what, we the enthusiasts, are looking for.
Give us a smartly styled car, that handles well, that can back all that up with performance, and you have a winner. That's exactly what the Mustang development team did. They struck a chord with those of us who had written off both GM and Ford as capable of putting a world class performance car on the market which is within striking distance of a price most can afford.2018 Acura TLX SH AWD ASpec
gottabgto Posts: 95Courtesy of a poster over on the GTO board - here is an article that fits right into this board:
"Courtesy of a poster over on the GTO board - here is an article that fits right into this board:
Their muscle-car roots are remarkably similar, but the 2005 Ford Mustang GT and the 2005 Pontiac GTO hold great appeal for disparate reasons.If you're more into style and aesthetic appeal, the Mustang is the clear winner -- and it costs considerably less than the GTO.
If pure performance is the name of your game, and your ego is secure enough to drive a virtually anonymous design, the GTO simply walks away from the Mustang in nearly every measurable category -- as long as you're also willing to pay a premium for the privilege of owning one.
Overall winner: GTO
I'm sure we will hear yet again how the Mustang is better because it sells better/more again which is starting to get old fast. It's an uneducated public out there, thats why.
"I'm sure we will hear yet again how the Mustang is better because it sells better/more again which is starting to get old fast. It's an uneducated public out there, thats why."
In your opinion, what makes one car 'better' than the other in any particular segment?
My opinion - it depends on the segment. For mainstream family sedans, the 'better' car may be the one with the most room, with the most features/reliabilty/economy for the least price. For trucks it might be the most towing/hauling capacity.
And for sports coupes, it is some combination of performance and style.
However, for EACH segment, the manufacturers certainly understand what defines 'winners' and 'losers'. And the common yardstick regardless of the segment is sales. How else do you explain the demise of the F-body despite the fact the Mustang was soundly beaten from a pure performance standpoint for better than a decade? The F-body may have been 'better', but it's still dead.
You guys seem to be of the opinion that many (most?) Mustang buyers are simply buying the car BECAUSE it is popular. However, I'm simply stating that it's popularity is simply an indicator (IMO) that Ford struck a 'better' balance between pure performance, handling, and style ('better' in the sense that it appeals to more people).
The point is that there really is no "better" between these two. If a buyer were interested solely in performance and doesn't really care for audacious style, looking for more of a 'sleeper' capable of waxing unsuspecting victims in stoplight wars, then the Mustang would NOT be the right choice. For such a buyer, the GTO makes lots of sense.
However, some of the "uneducated public" understands that life is not a constant series of stoplight races. Perhaps the "uneducated public's" ego is strong enough that we don't need to constantly prove ourself with burnouts and the ability to claim the biggest motor.
Maybe we prefer to look better 100% of the time rather than lose a stoplight race 0.1% of the time.
blackflag3 Posts: 29Conclusions
Their muscle-car roots are remarkably similar, but the 2005 Ford Mustang GT and the 2005 Pontiac GTO hold great appeal for disparate reasons.If you're more into style and aesthetic appeal, the Mustang is the clear winner -- and it costs considerably less than the GTO.
'If pure performance is the name of your game, and your ego is secure enough to drive a virtually anonymous design, the GTO simply walks away from the Mustang in nearly every measurable category -- as long as you're also willing to pay a premium for the privilege of owning one.
Overall winner: GTO"
"I'm sure we will hear yet again how the Mustang is better because it sells better/more again which is starting to get old fast. It's an uneducated public out there, thats why
The preacher has stated his case mainly using sales as the measuring stick as to which car is better, thusly his conclusion is, the Mustang is the better car.
There lies the rub, the word "better" Anologys have been made so I won't get into
making another one. He likes his Mustang, we like our GTO's.
Both cars have their attributes which have been pointed out in this debate.
The fact is the GTO is back and I have one, am happy with it, and that's whats important to me, not how many Mustangs are sold.
"In your opinion, what makes one car 'better' than the other in any particular segment? "
High quality Materials and workmanship. Room, visibility, comfort, powertrain, ride quality, brakes take the cake over styling to me. Unfortunately most of the uneducated public judge the car by looks rather then whats underneath/interior/driving it, etc. It depends on the buyer on which car is better. We all have reasons for chosing GTO or Mustang.
rorr....agreed. All 60,000 of us uneducated Mustang GT owners are wrong about what a muscle coupe should be.
Apparently, GM knows they've got work to do on the GTO before it's ready to be successful in this segment. They're, at the very least, stopping production in '07 to ready a more competitive "Mustang fighter" (as Motor Trend put it) on the streets. According to the same MT article, Pontiac realizes they have to do something with the suspension, too since it looks like they are going to be redoing it. I still say, trimming 300 lbs from the GTO along with more expressive styling, could cure a lot of it's ills.2018 Acura TLX SH AWD ASpec
"High quality Materials and workmanship. Room, visibility, comfort, powertrain, ride quality, brakes take the cake over styling."
You forgot the little "IMHO" at the end.....
Haven't heard too many complaints about lack of room in the Mustang (although the GTO wins hands down on rear-seat room). Visibility out of the Mustang could be better (although it's not nearly as bad as the '71-'73 flatback models). Comfort? Haven't heard any complaints there either.
Powertrain? Hmmmmm, I don't know that most rational people who were NOT into stoplight drag races would have any complaints about the Mustang's powertrain. Although I have heard some complaints about the shift linkage in the GTO. Of course, if you desire an automatic this is not an issue.
Ride quality is exceptionally subjective. Some genuinely prefer the GTO, some the Mustang.
Brakes? I haven't heard any complaints about the Mustang brakes though I have heard that the GTO brakes could be a bit 'mushy' feeling (although the actual brake numbers are very good.....for a car as heavy as the GTO)
Look, I'm not trying to talk ANYONE out of a GTO. They are excellent cars. I do however take exception to insinuations that Mustang buyers are, for the most part, the 'uneducated public'. Just because some people may prefer a LOT more style (IMO) while sacrificing a LITTLE straight line performance (again, IMO), is no reason to label them 'uneducated'. They just have a different set of priorities.
"The preacher has stated his case mainly using sales as the measuring stick as to which car is better, thusly his conclusion is, the Mustang is the better car.
There lies the rub, the word "better" Anologys have been made so I won't get into
making another one. He likes his Mustang, we like our GTO's.
Both cars have their attributes which have been pointed out in this debate.
The fact is the GTO is back and I have one, am happy with it, and that's whats important to me, not how many Mustangs are sold."
I agree, as long as we are all happy with our purchases, whether it be GTO or Mustang, thats cool. Now that gas is now over $3 a gallon in NJ here, this will be interesting to see how well either car sells.
I agree, your right. I shouldn't have labeled Mustang owners as the uneducated public. Unfortunately some people do buy a car just because it's popular/good looks. I am not trying to talk anyone out of buying a Mustang either. As you said, it's subjective and we have diff. priorties. They are both excellent choices.
I just bought you a virtual beer. :P Drink up, before it gets warm.
For once, I agree with absolutely everything you said in that last post. Many people do buy a car just because of it's popularity/good looks. And GM did get almost everything right with the GTO. I just wish it looked a bit more distinctive (and shed a couple hundred pounds).
If I were to ever buy a GM car, the GTO would be it.
Thanks. As sad as this sounds, actually one of the reasons I bought the GTO was because it was NOT a GM car. Made by Holden which is a subsidiary. Build quality and interior are better then anything else GM makes except Vette or Cadillac and they are lot MORE $$.
I wished they would bring Holden over here. Nice cars and all RWD. My GXP is ok-nice, but does NOT have the build quallity or interior of this Monaro-GTO. Not even close.
Regarding the style/visual appeal of the GTO - just this morning yet another young lady leaned into the window of my black/red '04 and said "I LOVE your car!"
Of course, she was only about 9yrs old and had just opened the door for my two boys to clamber out and go to their elementary school, but hey, I'll take any compliment. That's about the 6th little kid that has said the same thing - maybe I can sell it to one of them in about 7yrs time.
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Two-goal burst the key to Harriers win
Oylegate-Glenbrien faded near end
Two goals in less than 60 seconds ensured that the Enniscorthy Guardian Juvenile hurling Premier championship title headed back to Wexford town after Faythe Harriers edged Oylegate-Glenbrien in Taghmon on Saturday.
Faythe Harriers 2-8 Oylegate-Glenbrien 1-5
The Páirc Charman boys were trailing by 1-5 to 0-5 in the last ten minutes but there always looked to be a sting in the tail of this title decider. When Glen Murphy-Butler converted his second free in the 52nd minute the deficit was down to two.
Richie Lawlor has been pegged as one to keep an eye on for some time. Part of the Harriers' victorious Féile team this year, the talented Under-14 started this game on the substitutes' bench for his side.
However, he had already made an impression before latching onto a misplaced clearance in the Oylegate-Glenbrien defence, racing into the clear and coolly dispatching low past Kevin Cosgrave to the net.
It gave Faythe Harriers their second lead, their first since Fiachra Hourihane equalised their opening point in the eighth minute. It wounded Oylegate-Glenbrien, badly. In fact, it was a hammer-blow that was almost impossible to overcome.
For the previous 55 minutes they had defended as well as is humanly possible to defend. The full-back line was faultless, absolutely magnificent, repelling wave after wave of Faythe Harriers attacks.
The goal broke them. Seconds later Conor Kehoe cut in from the right corner, was at an impossible angle but still somehow flipped his finish past the onrushing Cosgrave to the Oylegate-Glenbrien goal.
The Harriers added further points through Conall Clancy and Murphy-Butler. By the time the 60 minutes of normal time were up, the soon-to-be victors were leading by 2-8 to 1-5.
The Enniscorthy District side laid siege to the Harriers goal in added-time. Joe Dunne was fouled but Hourihane's 20-metre free was deflected wide. Then Niall Parker had a shot blocked for a '65.
However, no miracle was forthcoming and the game was up after four minutes of stoppage time. Referee Gearóid McGrath's full-time whistle brought jubilant scenes among Harriers players and supporters alike.
It truly was a clash of downright relentless defending. Both back sevens were immense but the Oylegate-Glenbrien performance was built on how well they played and defended as a team. The stalls were set out in the opening period.
Conor Kehoe opened the scoring with a fifth-minute minor from Reece Murphy's pass down the right, but it was countered by Hourihan's dead-ball after his team-mate Joseph Whelan was fouled.
A move that flowed right to left, from Joe Dunne and through Hourihane ended with James Moulton making it 0-2 to 0-1. Yet the sides ended the opening quarter deadlocked following Clancy's opening point, a nice individual score.
Paudie Casey was creator of the next two scores and they were enough to give his side a 1-3 to 0-4 interval lead.
Moulton tapped over the first before Casey won the ensuing puck-out and found Dunne who netted with a sublime finish.
Two late points from Kehoe, after a Conall Ó Crualaoich assist, and then Murphy-Butler, following a foul on Chris Glover, left two between the sides at the change-around.
The Harriers pressed after the break but didn't score until Clancy's '65 narrowed the gap to one (1-3 to 0-5) in the 40th minute.
Having not scored for 27 minutes, Oylegate-Glenbrien broke their duck at the start of the final quarter with Casey on target after strong play by Garry Conroy.
Dunne tapped over from Adam Gethings' pass to make it 1-5 to 0-5 after 48 minutes but the Harriers dominated the final ten minutes to take the title.
Faythe Harriers: Josh Sheil; Jake Clancy, Cillian Gahan, Emmet Nolan; Josh McMahon, Josh O'Connor, Lee Nolan; Conall Ó Crualaoich (capt.), Reece Murphy; Gary Carroll, Conall Clancy (0-3, 1 '65), Ryan Furlong; Glen Murphy-Butler (0-3 frees), Chris Glover, Conor Kehoe (1-2). Subs. - Richie Lawlor (1-0) for Glover (31), Kyle Scallan for Carroll (48), also Jack Nolan, Jack Finucane, Cian Ó Finneadha, Cian Twomey, Josh Murphy, James Ryan, Shadrak Nkabinde, Brian Deeny.
Oylegate-Glenbrien: Kevin Cosgrave; Mike Nolan, Niall Parker, Tomás Cosgrave; Danny Ryan, Michael Kinsella, Peter Rowley; Paudie Casey (0-1), Garry Conroy; Adam Gethings, Fiachra Hourihane (0-1 free), James Moulton (0-2); Joe Dunne (1-1), Joseph Whelan, Conor Nolan (capt). Subs. - Mikey Kelly for Gethings (60+2), Adam Byrne for Whelan (60+4), also Bobby Freeman, Niall Mernagh.
Referee: Gearóid McGrath (St. James').
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--Clyde Russell is a Reuters columnist. The views expressed are his own.--
By Clyde Russell
LAUNCESTON, Australia, June 3 (Reuters) - How well is the plan by big iron ore miners to displace high-cost iron ore from the seaborne and Chinese domestic markets going? Maybe just OK, certainly not great.
Much has been written about how the big three global iron ore miners will use their low-cost, high-output mines to muscle competitors out of the market, thus restoring the supply-demand balance and ultimately justifying the billions of dollars they spent boosting capacity well in excess of demand.
The problem for Brazil's Vale and the Anglo-Australian pair of Rio Tinto and BHP Billiton <BHP Billiton> is that the signs are this isn't working perhaps as well as they may have hoped.
Certainly Chinese trade numbers show that Australia in particular has increased market share in iron ore imports, but the momentum may be stalling.
In the first four months of the year, Chinese imports of the steel-making ingredient from Australia were 195.845 million tonnes, or 63.7 percent of the total 307.282 million tonnes.
This is up from the 58.7 percent share of imports held by Australia for the whole of 2014, but it appears the pace of growth in market share is slowing.
The news is worse for Brazil, which has actually been surrendering market share.
In the first four months of 2014, imports from Brazil were 57.54 million tonnes, or 18.3 percent of the total.
This is down from the 18.7 percent market share held in 2014, 18.9 in 2013 and 22 percent in 2012.
While volumes have obviously increased as Chinese imports have grown from 745 million tonnes in 2012 to 932.7 million last year, it appears Vale has been struggling to keep up with its Australian competitors.
It's possible to make the argument that Rio Tinto and BHP Billiton, along with world number four producer Fortescue Metals Group, have achieved what they said they would.
Not only has Australia increased its share of Chinese iron ore imports, volumes have grown strongly as well.
But the point is whether the success to date is petering out, and whether some of the iron ore the Australians need to displace to make way for the millions of tonnes of additional capacity still coming to the market is actually likely to leave.
While Australia and Brazil accounted for 82.5 percent of China's iron ore imports in the first four months of 2015, that still leaves almost 54 million tonnes that came from other suppliers.
It's these imports that the major miners will be seeking to displace in coming months, but this may prove challenging.
The third-ranked supplier, South Africa, saw only a small deterioration in its market share to 4.6 percent of imports in the first four months of 2015, from 4.8 percent in 2014.
Among minor suppliers, there were dramatic declines for Iran, Mauritania and Sierra Leone, but Ukraine and Russia both saw strong gains.
What this shows is that while Chinese steel mills have turned to Australian producers, they are still willing to buy from other countries.
In order to render imports from those countries uncompetitive, it's likely that the big three miners and Fortescue will have to be prepared for even lower prices.
And even that might not drive all the smaller suppliers to the wall, as different factors such as quality come into play.
South Africa's iron ore exports are mainly in the form of lump or higher-quality fines, and these may continue to command attention from Chinese buyers, even at a price premium.
The other problem for the major miners is that China's iron ore imports and steel output aren't growing, defying their predictions for strong growth over the next 10 years.
While the current level of modest growth may just be a blip on an overall trajectory higher, the bullish views of the miners are looking increasingly isolated as the Chinese steel industry and others say output is unlikely to gain much in coming years.
Iron ore imports are up only 0.7 percent in the first four months of 2015 compared with the same period a year earlier.
Overall, the iron ore miners are confronted with weak growth in Chinese imports, and signs of stickiness in iron ore exports from countries other than Australia and Brazil.
It is into this market that the big three miners are adding millions of additional tonnes of iron ore, and if that wasn't enough, the 56-million tonne a year Roy Hill mine controlled by Australia's richest person, Gina Rinehart, will start shipping later this year.
It's just getting harder and harder to see any bullish case for iron ore.
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|Large open kitchen and family room/ breakfast room
When we walked into the house we were surprised to see that in spite of the ho hum exterior that there were large open areas to the home.
If you look carefully you can look into the living room and then into the sun porch. In the next photo you will see that the entrance is large 16x6 feet.
There are great plans already in the mix. These lighting fixtures are coming down, as well as taking up the nasty rug. We will be taking out the kitchen as well, and putting down re-purposed hardwood flooring. The front entrance will have some brick paver accent flooring.
|The living room area
The walls are painted paneling. We are hoping to find some ship lap to use here. We will be redoing the fireplace and taking down the fan. Up with the rugs here and throughout the house. You can now see the sun porch below.
|Sun porch and view
The rug here is not as bad as the rest of the house, but we still plan on ripping it up and the window treatments were not cheap, but no to those as well. The last residents were smokers and the smell and nicotine stain on the window treatments need to go. All and all the house is open the entire length of the building. We will not feel confined at all here. This is the beginning I can not wait for the finished home.


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|As we all are aware The Minerals and Coal Mining Law No. 4 Year 2009 was passed by the DPR ( House of Representatives) on 16 December 2008 and was signed by the President on 12 January 2009.
After 30 Years enjoying COW (Contract Of Work), and Work Agreement For Coal Mining Enterprises (CCOWs) Indonesia enters into a new era where new licensing regime is introduced replacing the rulings of COW to conduct Mining Business Operations in Indonesia. There are significant changes and several new provisions being introduced. Up to this moment we are still waiting for the Implementation Rulings of this New Law which usually are done by rulings made by the Government through the issuances of PP (Government Regulations) as frequently being mentioned in such Minerla and Coal Laws.
Besides the Government Regulation that may also be several Decrees issued by the Respective Governmental Officers such as Presidential Decrees, Ministerial of Mines and Energy Decree, Decree from the Directorate of General Mining as well as Decree from the Directorate of Coal. In the Regional Local Level, The Governor or the Bupati and the DPRD ( Regional House Of People Representative) in coordination with the Governor shall issue Regional Government Rules.
As we watch the news relating to Coal Mining Activities in Kalimantan made by Kompas during these last days, we understand that several rulings relating to Coal Mining Permits had been made by the Department of Forestry, as well as the Bupati, where The Department of Forestry had issued the permit to lend and use the part of land of located within the the Forestry Protection or Forestry Conversation Area. It is indicated that the Bupati and the Walikota had issued several Kuasa Pertambangan Batubara ( CoaL Mining Authrotity Permit), which according to the Governor of East Kalimantan there are around 1.180 Coal Mining Permits issued by the Local Regional Government (Pemerintahan Kabupaten/Kota) and 32 Coal Mining Authority Permits issued by the Central Government.
On the other hand, Kompas Newspaper dated 27th January, 2010, said that the Bupati of Kutai Timur (East Kutai) had revoked 12 KP from 38 KP which was issued by the previous Bupati. The reason in revoking this 12 KP is because 7 KP was issued within the Kutai National Park Conservation which is in violation of the rules. The other 5 KP is revoked since no progress of following up the permit from General Survey to Exploration is performed. Several other KP are being evaluated with the reasoning that no reclamation was made, no seriousness in continuing the Coal mining is conducted and overlaping with other activities.
Since Otonom Region was introduced in 2001 up to the New Law No. 4 Year 2009, Kompas, says that there are thousands of Mining Aurthority being issued by the Regional Government, many of which are not in accordance with the allotment of the land. One of the Sources said that the Reclamation of the ex Coal Mining Area Holes should actually not be treated as Burden, but rather as Investment by the Coal Mining Investors.
Brief Awareness of the NEW Mineral and COAL LAW No. 4 Year 2009.
Before we continue in observing the Kompas newspaper Highlights of this indicated Un - Controlled Coal Mining Activities in Kalimantan, it is wise, to educate our selves with Brief Key Issues on the New Mineral and Coal Law No 4 Year 2009 to enlighten ourselves upon the New Minerals and Coal Law in Indonesia.
This New Mining Law does not differentiate between mining licenses for domestic and foreign investors. All investors must have either :
a Mining Business Permit (Izin Usaha Pertambangan-"IUP"), a People's Mining Permit (Izin Pertambangan Rakyat-"IPR") or
a Special Mining Business Permit (Izin Usaha Pertambangan Khusus-"IUPK") to engage in mining activities.
INDONESIA: Take-over leads to $1,200,000,000 coal mining contracts, PT THIESS CONTRACTORS INDONESIA [Indonesia/Australia] - Order #: 119103.: An article ... & Plant Operations in the Developing World
Duration :
Exploration IUP:
Metal: up to 8 years for a concession area between 5,000 Ha and 100,000 Ha;
Non-metal: up to 3 years for a concession area between 500 Ha and 25,000 Ha;
Specific non-metal: up to 7 years;
Rocks: up to 3 years for a concession area between 5 Ha and 5,000 Ha; and
Coal: up to 7 years for a concession area of between 5,000 Ha and 50,000 Ha.
Production Operations IUP:
Metal: up to 20 years for a concession area of up to 25,000 Ha, extendable for 10 years a maximum of twice; Non-metal: up to 10 years for a concession area of up to 5,000 Ha, extendible for 5 years a maximum of twice; Specific non-metal: up to 20 years extendible for 10 years a maximum of twice;
Rocks: up to 5 years for a concession area of up to 1,000 Ha, extendible for 5 years a maximum of twice; and Coal: up to 20 years for a concession area of up to 15,000 Ha, extendable for 10 years a maximum of twice.
An IUPK is granted for a National Mining Reserve Area.
Durations and concession areas of IUPK:
Exploration IUPK:
Metal: up to 8 years for a concession area of up to 100,000 Ha; and
Coal: up to 7 years for a concession area of up to 50,000 Ha.
Production Operations IUPK:
Metal: up to 20 years for a concession area of up to 25,000 Ha, extendible for 10 years a maximum of twice; and Coal: up to 20 years for a concession area of up to 15,000 Ha, extendable for 10 years a maximum of twice.
The relevant Regional Government issues a WIUP (Wilayah Izin Usaha Pertambangan/Mining License Business Area) to a business entity, a cooperative or an individual.
A Metal minerals or Coal WIUP can be issued through public tender, while a Non-metal minerals and Rocks WIUP can be issued through an application for a reserve area.
State Reserve Areas (Wilayah Pencadangan Negara-"WPN") are to be determined by Central Government with prior approval from the DPR ( House of Representatives). These areas may be exploited under an IUPK which may be issued to an Indonesian Legal Entity including a State Owned Enterprise, Regional Owned Enterprise or private sector entity.
State/Regional Owned Enterprises are given priority in obtaining IUPK and if not taken, the Private Sector can obtain it through public tender.
TRANSFER OF IUP/IUPK - Ownership -shares of Company Holding IUP / IUPK
An IUP/IUPK cannot be transferred. However ownership or shares in a Company holding an IUP/IUPK can be made.
Transfer of ownership or shares in the Indonesian Stock Exchange may only be permited if :
The Central Government, after consultation with the House of Representatives, can determine policy on giving priority to minerals and coal for domestic interests, including the authority to determine production levels for each commodity in each year on a Province-by-Province basis. This provision may have an impact on the annual production limit of a company holding a license to export to the international market.
As we are aware inthe Oil and Gas Sectors in Indonesia, Domestic Market Obligation Private (DMO) is also regulated where 25% of its annual production has to be sold for Domestic Needs. In the Coal Sectors, it appears that Coal commodities are also needed by the Local Power Plant, by which DMO on Coal shall also be implemented.
Government Regulations will be made for implementing this DMO ruling.
Holders of IUP and IUPK must increase the value of their minerals and/or Coal resources through Mining, processing and refining, and the use of the minerals and coal. Accordingly, they must process and refine the minerals and coal domestically. This provision are also found in the existing COW for General Mining of Cooper, thus this is a continuation of the policy of the Government which are also found and implemented by other Countries.
A license holder can cooperate with other holders of Production Operations IUPs for the same minerals and coal processing and refining.
The companies can either build their own processing/smelting facilities or use existing processing/smelting facilities in Indonesia owned by other parties. Relating to the Cooper Product of PT Freeport Indonesia, PT Smelter in Surabaya was the realization and implementation of this smelting facilities requirement.
Existing Contracts of Work (CoWs) which are already in the production phase, have a 5 year grace period to comply with this obligation.
Sharing Net Profits ot of Coal production :
Holders of Production Operations IUPKs for metal minerals and coal must pay a production fee of 10 % of their net profits as of production, with 4 % going to the Central Government and 6 % being shared between the relevant province and regencies.
A temporary suspension can be granted to a holder of an IUP/IUPK, in case of force majeure, or conditions which hamper mining activities, cause some or all mining activities to cease or the environment can no longer support the mineral and/or coal production activities. This temporary suspension will not reduce the duration/ term of the IUP.
The duration of a Temporary Suspension may be up to 1(one) year and is extendable once for 1 (one) year.
Divestment :
After 5 years of production, all companies must divest any shares owned by foreign parties to the Central/Regional Government, a State/Region owned enterprises or local companies. This provision will be regulated more further through a Government Regulation.
Usage of Local / National Mining Services.
Holders of IUPs or IUPKs must use local and/or national mining services companies. If no local companies are found available, foreign companies whom are deemed as Indonesian legal entities may be used. Holders of IUPs and IUPKs may not use subsidiaries or affiliates to provide mining services, unless Minister of Energy and Mineral Resources approval is being obtained.
Corporate Crime .
The New Mining Law No. 4 Year 2009 adopts the concept of corporate crime. Sanctions can be imposed on Contractors as legal entities. If crime is committed by a legal entity, the legal entity and/or its management will be charged with the crime. If found guilty, they are ordered to pay the regulated fine plus an additional 1/3. Besides the criminal sanctions, the business license and legal entity status of such Company can be revoked.
Any dispute arising from the implementation of an IUP, IPR or IUPK is to be settled through the courts and arbitration domestically under the prevailing laws
Transition Period.
Existing CoWs and CCoWs remain valid until the expiration of their terms. However, the contract terms and conditions must be adjusted to the provisions of the New Mining Law within 1 (one) year of the enactment of the New Mining Law 12 January 2010 except concerning state revenue.
It appears that this New Mining Law does not rule any transitional provision for KPs (Mining Authorizations) issued to Indonesian companies regarding whether KPs already issued will remain valid and whether they must be adjusted to the New Mining Law, as is the case of the existing CoWs and CCoWs as described above. It appears that this may be further regulated in the implementing regulations.
The implementing regulations (Government Regulations, Ministerial Decrees and directives) for the implementation of the provisions of the New Mining Law, are to be made within 1 year after the enactment of this New Law No. 4 Year 2010.
INDONESIA: CONTRACT AWARD FOR PLANNED $137,000,000 COAL MINING PROJECT, CLOUGH ENGINEERING [AUSTRALIA] - Order #: 01732000.: An article from: WWP-Report on Mining, Metal Making and Conversion
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7:43am 10th April 2014
How safe are the buses and taxis used to get your children to School? That's what Dorset Police have been finding out.
They've spent 2 weeks targeting vehicles on the School run, in March.
Of 76 taxis, school buses and minibuses stopped during the fortnight, 28 were found to be committing offences.
Most were minor and included things like not enough school bus signage, expired fire extinguishers and old first aid boxes.
However, a pair of taxis were forced to stop their journeys after Police found them to have a light and tyre defect. The drivers were prosecuted.
The 2 week operation was part of a nationwide imitative to protect youngsters using School transport.
Road casualty reduction co-ordinator, Police Constable Heidi Moxam said the operation is co-ordinated once a year;
"The aim of the day was to identify those vehicles that are not complying with legislation in a bid to make the roads of Dorset safer."
"This was a successful event supported by local schools to ensure the safe carriage of children and young adults."
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Imagine exploring the attic of a 200-year-old mansion and finding treasures collected by an affluent family during the first half of the 20th century.
Approximately 1,000 vintage items, including cast iron cookware, furniture, hats, clothing and jewelry, will be available for purchase at the Ashantilly Attic Sale.
Set for Sept. 28-29 in downtown Darien, the items were stored for generations in the attic of Ashantilly, a circa-1810 house that now serves as an education center in McIntosh County.
"We've got a lot of stuff to sell and it's all very vintage," says Harriet Langford, president of the Ashantilly Center board of directors.
The items were owned by a family who lived in the house for nearly a century. It consisted of William Haynes Sr., his wife, Laura Grant Haynes, their son, William Jr., and daughters, Frances and Anne Lee.
Bill Jr. was an artist who did letterpress printing, and the center plans to preserve his work. That's one reason the attic was emptied.
"We are trying to get some room," says Sara Blocker, vice president of the Ashantilly Center board of directors. "There's a lot of stuff, including papers and artwork, that we need to archive. In order to make the room into an archive, we have to get everything out of it."
"They are going to use proceeds from the sale for a new roof over Mr. Haynes' library," says Mary Stimmel, a volunteer who is handling public relations. "He was a great lover of books and had a tremendous collection."
Money also is needed for routine maintenance.
"Ashantilly is an old house that always needs to be repaired," Blocker says.
Ashantilly was built for a wealthy planter, Thomas Spalding, as his family's mainland home. Their original home was on Sapelo Island.
In 1918, the Haynes family bought Ashantilly. The house was heavily damaged by fire in 1937, and Bill Jr. spent his life restoring the house to its former glory.
"The tabby walls remained and weren't damaged," Blocker says. "Mr. Haynes went about collecting vintage casings and doors from Savannah and Charleston so everything would look as it did in that time period. It's still a work in progress, and there's still a lot to be done to it.
"The items for sale are from the attic, mostly from the third floor, that have been collected ever since then," she says. "I don't think they ever threw anything away.
"There's a beautiful collection of handkerchiefs. There are probably 15 or 20 cast iron skillets and muffin pans. Mr. Haynes and his wife and two sisters lived there last."
Members of the Haynes family lived and worked in New York City during the 1920s and 1930s, when men and women alike wore hats every time they left the house, and everyone dressed for dinner and evening social events. Several of the gowns have designer labels, and all are in good enough condition to wear.
The Hayneses were very stylish, even glamorous. One black velvet evening frock is trimmed in blonde mink and there is another with ermine tippets. There are men's linen pants, vests and jackets from as far back as the 1920s.
There also are numerous household items, ranging from utilitarian to decorative.
"There is a lot of kitchen stuff, including enamelware," Blocker says. "There are a lot of woodcarvings. There is some furniture, and one of the really neat things is a biscuit brake made of cast iron with a marble top and rollers," she says. "It's a really nice piece of furniture."
The biscuit brake would have been used in a large house like Ashantilly with a large family and staff to feed.
"The cook takes the dough and passes it through a ringer, then doubles it and passes it through again, then doubles it and passes it through again until there are many layers of dough," Stimmel says.
"It was a very clever way of doing what the Europeans had done by hand," she says. "If I were a chef or had a bakery or restaurant, this would be something really great to have."
There are even hobby pieces.
"There are some model airplane kits from the 1930s and '40s," Blocker says. "There are all kinds of sewing notions, thimbles, little embroidery kits. There's a collection of jewelry, not fine jewelry, but a lot of really nice costume jewelry."
Among the more unusual items is vintage sheet music, some from the Civil War era. There are two wooden radios, a Silvertone and a Zenith, and four numdha rugs embroidered over goat hair from India.
There are even vintage unopened record sets.
"I've been amazed at some of the stuff they've found," Blocker says. "But a lot of the stuff, like the kitchenware, are things we as an education center don't need.
"We're not a museum," she says. "But we've kept back enough to have displays at times."
Some of the vintage gowns, dressers, biscuit brake and a collection of sewing notions, including 40 embroidery scissors, will be sold in a silent auction. The auction will open Sept. 28 when the sale begins and close Sept. 29 when it ends. Bidders do not have to be present to win.
The sale has drawn interest from parts far beyond Darien.
"We've had inquiries from Atlanta, Jacksonville and from all over Georgia," Blocker says.
"The clothes are amazing, but my personal favorites are the cast iron kitchenware, including a square skillet and muffin and corn stick pans," Stimmel says. "You could use them for cooking or as weapons.
"I also like the hats. Some are straw, some are wool, and there are various felted wools. They're all wearable," she says. "There's a good 60 hats there."
Collectively, the items demonstrate a lifestyle of comfort and beauty.
"To me, these sales are real social history," Stimmel says. "This is a piece of social history from Coastal Georgia from the past 100 years.
"The Haynes bought the house in 1918, but there are some things that are older than that. Some of the furniture needs upholstery or work done, but it's all doable."
There are several sets of English china, including Mason brand and some flow blue. Except for the silent auction items, everything will have a pre-set price attached and will be sold as if from any other store.
"It's a big sale, with at least 1,000 items in the store," Stimmel says. "There are a lot of collectibles the family brought back from their travels to Africa, Portugal and who knows where."
Several programs are presented at Ashantilly, which is open to the public.
"It's not open every single day, but you can call and there are volunteers to give tours," Stimmel says. "Mr. Haynes died in 2001 and left the house as a nonprofit with a board of directors."
"The people who run it day-to-day do a great job and work with other organizations to have plant sales and all types of events at Ashantilly."
What: Ashantilly Attic Sale
When: 9 a.m. to 4 p.m. Sept. 28; 1-5 p.m. Sept. 29
Where: Bluestein's Shopping Complex, 1225 Northway (U.S. 17) which runs through downtown Darien
Info: www.ashantilly.org, 912-437-4473


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A Manager's Tale
Arranging photo shoots, advertising, marketing the band for events, giving input on play lists, booking venues, doing the accounting, selling tickets at the front door, and anything else that let's musicians focus on the music -- that's the job description of a high school rock and roll band manager.
Everyone took their commitment to the band and producing quality music very seriously. It first started out as a fun thing to do. But after the band made a little money playing a gig in Redwood City and then playing to an enthusiastic audience at a Saint Francis event, it made everyone think, "what happens to Osiris after high school?"
As you know, all of the musicians in Osiris continue to play music, some of them professionally. The reunion of the band at Saint Francis's Class of 1986 reunion could be the first stop on Osiris's comeback tour.
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Wednesday, August 11, 2010
Looking For Animals Looking For Us . . . ?
Hopefully this won't be our experience today as we head into Kruger National Park for the day to try and see some of the Animals. This is winter time here and still quite cool for this region - the park is like 65,000 acres -- you could be here for a week - -we have a day but I really wanted my nephew Isaiah to experience the animals in their natural environment . . . real pics to come....
Posted by John Forbes at 8/11/2010
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WOAH! That is like a scene of out Jurassic Park. I know it is not a TREX but being in that car while a several ton beast is above me would be very scarey!
- August 12, 2010 at 2:46 PM
- Andi and Sheba Eicher said...
So glad for you 2 - make a difference for the Kingdom! Praying for you - and proud of you!
Andi, Sheba, Asha and Enoch
- August 14, 2010 at 4:41 AM
If anyone can handle an elephant riding with them, you can John. Isaiah may find his company less amusing that yours.
- August 16, 2010 at 4:53 PM
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