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Keeping Water Warm in Winter: Readers Share Tips
- Nov 23, 2010
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Nearly 900 readers of TheHorse.com responded to a poll asking, " How do you keep your horses' water in the barn from freezing during the winter?"
Results were as follows:
- Heated buckets: 42.27% (372)
- Change water in the buckets frequently: 32.50% (286)
- I don't keep horses in the barn during the winter : 25.91% (228)
- Heated automatic waterers: 17.50% (154)
- Heat the barn: 5.00% (44)
(Multiple selections were allowed)
Readers shared their tips for keeping water warm in the comments below.
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- Too many risks with heater elements
- also insulate water tanks and keep them under shelter
- Here in central Arizona water freezing is not an issue
- Horses are on 24hr turnout.
- I use warm water in the buckets in the evening.
- tank heaters and de-icers for outdoor water
- Barn only is heated to 40 F when below freezing
- Have thermal insulated buckets and fill frequently with warm water. They wait for it.
- run in shelters w/heater in stock tank
- When it's really cold I put an apple in the water. He plays apple bobbing and ice doesn't form.
- Insulated Bucket Holder
- I use water heaters/buckets in the fields
- Freezing not a problem in Phoenix, AZ deserts except 1-2 nites a year
- Water trough heaters and turnout with stall access 24/7.
- special buckets that promote keeping water unfrozen
- Thick rubber buckets (the black ones) and add hot water
- Nelson Automatic waterer...best thing we ever bought for the farm !!! Happy customer in New York.
- My barn stays above freezing most of the Winter and I add warm water on cold night.
- I've used propane water tank heaters for years and notice my horses drink more & don't colic.
- The heated buckets are great since my horses are in and out
- trough heater in barn 2 sets of buckets 4 stalls. "off" buckets in heated porch to thaw
- The horses keep the barn warm enought to keep the water from freezing.I also add hot water whencold
- The water is outside, but we change it out every other day, and the heater keeps it from freezing.
- Insulated barn and heat from the horse kepps the water from frezzing.
- live in NM
- I use a deicer in the water trough. They have access to stalls 24/7
- My barn is insulated and they don't freeze
- I don't keep horses stalled, but have a flating tank de-icer in a 40-gallon tub.
- Horses are outside most of the time. Come in at night or during inclement weather.
- 100 gal heated tank
- our horses are outside most of the time, If they have to be in, we change water frequently
- I add warm water to the buckets and also use insulated (non-electric) buckets
- Love our heated buckets & keeps the horses drinking during freezing weather.
- Stock tank heater
- just live in the south!
- water tank heater
- I have a water trough heater
- tank heaters
- They are free to go in and out during the winter on there own, and the horse tank has a water heater
- Thermal buckets -- with plastic disks in the top
- I only keep my horses in the barn at night so a heated water bucket lasts all night.
- Don't have a barn. Use shelter shed, remove ice as needed; horses drink all they need.
- I keep horses in as little as possible, but use heated buckets at those times.
- My horses range free in pasture. They go in a barn in severe weather; 25 gallon tubs are heated.
- also add warm water to each bucket
- for outside, I change buckets frequently
- Penned for feeding then turned out. Break any ice on troughs every morning while horses are eating.
- I live in Louisiana. We don't have very many days that are freezing.
- I use a tank heater in a 100 gallon water tank -it works good
- I insulate the barn automatic waterers and have a heating element for the outdoor tub
- We also add hot water to the buckets at night
- I am fortunate to have heated auto warerers inside & out.worth every penny & less problems
- Floating de-icers in the stock tanks
- Free choice ice free water is the only option for a healthy horse.
- none of the above.SELTZER water 1 liter bottle when it is really cold, works the best.
- I also haul warm water in jugs from the house to break the ice up and then remove the ice by hand
- We move from Iowa to South Texas in November and return to Iowa in May
- Have a "heater" that goes in the water from freezing in the cold weather
- Our horses have a run attached to their barn stall. We keep heaters in the 100 gal tanks
- Insulated & heated water line above stalls
- The stable where my horses are boarded outdoors has heated automatic waterers.
- tank de icer
- Heated water tanks
- I have a military immersion heater in the big tank
- I use water heaters in all water buckets and barrels
- fill buckets w/warm water AM & PM
- I add hot water at night. It helps,but water still has ice by morning.
- Horses are outside w/heated water tanks.
- My horses are outside 24/7 with shelters in each paddock and 100 gallon water tanks with heaters
- Have a hot water heater in the barn, I add hot water to icy buckets. Works great.
- In California almost never freezes that long
- I uses plug-in water heaters in the troughs.
- I moved to California
- Water 1X daily with warmer water, heated water tank outside thru day
- I use insulated bucket holders, and alway give them warm water
- I aso use heated buckets/bowls for the barn cats & dog.
- use insulated buckets, change water 2-3 times daily
- Heated buckets cause death in horses, just happened to a friend
- Horses have two buckets, one heated and one insulated
- Not a problem where I live--coastal No. California
- we add warm water to top off
- We use insulated buckets, add hot water twice a day, and the water stays warm all day/night.
- they go in thru a hole in the bottom of the trough. portect the wire by putting it thru a pvc pipe
- But was do have heated auto waterers in the pastures.
- I don't have a barn, but rather a three sided run-in shed. My water troughs are outside w/heaters.
- I use a stock tank defroster.
- LOVE IT! - Nelson Waterer!
- In Michigan you need to be able to add warm water to buckets several times a day.
- I also have a heater in their outdoor water tub.
- stock tank heaters
- Use heaters that fit in drain plug of stock tank to keep water thawed.
- I also have a hammer nearby to break the ice off the top if needed No electricity in the barn
- large heated tub outside
- 2 horses get fresh luke warm water from the house morning and night.
- Use a tank heater on outdoor tank
- Heaters in Water Tanks outside.
- Heated buckets save the day!
- When night temps hit 40 degrees I turn on the heated buckets so my horses drink lots more water.
- insulated water bucket holders
- I have a 100 gallon trough which I insulate and keep a 1200 watt heater in it. It works down to -40C
- Insulated water buckets and warmed water
- Carry hot water to the barn morning, noon and night.
- None of these. Barn temp stays above freezing - 80 yr old barn, heavy timbers PM
- Water tank heaters
- a leather basketball or volleyball works well too
- We keep heat lamps on for several hours in the evening and again early morning
- It is warm enough in my area to keep horse in the pasture with their shelters - I haul water t them
- add hot water
- I moved South so I don't have to worry about frozen buckets anymore.
- Not really heated buckets, but a heater in the water trough.
- and use a tank de-icer for the trough
- I live in Florida!!
- Don't trust deicers; manually remove ice in pasture troughs, use Wild Angel bucket cozy in shelters
- We bring hot water down to the barn when horses need to be in due to severe weather.
- Thermal Buckets
- My Nelson waterers were worth every penny. One is over 20 yrs old & require little maintenance
- Stock tank heater
- stock tank heaters
- Worth every penny in cold climates!
- Also add hot water to the buckets
- Heated outside water tub along w/ hot water "soup" for my TB's!
- Tank heater in the water tank. 24/7
- They're in stalls for breakfast and dinner, otherwise outside with geothermal waterers.
- live in the South!
- I use a heater in a large outdoor trough and a 16 gal. heated bucket.
- I have a hot water heater in the barn and I give my horse warm water in the winter. He loves it
- I live in a warm place that hardly ever freezes
- Horses outside 24/7, running creeks or smash ice on stock tanks w/ hammer : )
- heater in bottom of tank
- have heating elements in troughs, will get heated outdoor waterers
- outdoors we use a drain plug deicer. If they stay in (which is rare) we crack and refill
- Live in California!
- Horses have large tanks--some with heaters
- We have a small water heater in the feed room. Change buckets 3 -4 times daily.
- but I keep deicers in the outside water tub
- Not in the barn unless nasty weather
- heated 70 gal tub actually, accesible under overhang of both stalls
- A small pan with a bird bath feeder and $15.00 automatic watering device. Easy and cheap.
- styrofoam insulated buckets
- Deicers in buckets and tanks.
- we also have a few insulated buckets that worked out well last winter
- I don't really heat the barn just keep it closed up tight.
- heater installed to the side of my 100 gallon tank. get it at TSC, wonderful.
- I have tank heaters
- geothermal waterers
- Love the heated buckets, best invention for winter watering
- I bought Bucket cozys this year. Heard they are awesome
- Two years of dragging hoses was enough!
- pipe insulation
- Also have a heated trough in the large paddock
- Use a stock tank heater
- Horses get hot water at 9-10PM, 2nd hot coffee pot full at 1-2AM. Then out at 7AM.
- With heated tank for outside
- All outside water has automatic heaters
- Move South for the winter!!
- All water troughs have heaters, pasture and barn
- Heat tape on outdoor faucet works in addition draining hoses.
- I have a large heated bucket outside.
- Am in Canada -40C some winters htd buckets awesome: Sandi
- We use heat lights in the stalls when the weather is freezing. It seems to help keep buckets from fr
- I dont. I refresh the buckets (often) with hot water
- nelson waterers
- Heated buckets and trough heaters
- i LOVE my heated buckets
- In Australia's warm climate, most equines stay outdoors during winter.
About the Author
Erica Larson, News Editor
Erica Larson, news editor, holds a degree in journalism with an external specialty in equine science from Michigan State University in East Lansing. A Massachusetts native, she grew up in the saddle and has dabbled in a variety of disciplines including foxhunting, saddle seat, and mounted games. Currently, Erica competes in eventing with her OTTB, Dorado.
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Kenyan consumers will, for the next one month, benefit from lower retail prices for petroleum products following today's price review by the Energy Regulatory Commission (ERC).
The new prices, which take effect from 15th April 2017 to 14th May 2017 have taken account of lower import prices for refined petroleum products arriving at the port of Mombasa. Kenya stopped importing crude oil in September 2013 after refining operations were suspended at Changamwe oil refinery.
The average landed cost of imported Super Petrol decreased 4.22% from US$ 588.47 per ton in February 2017 to US$ 563.62 per ton in March 2017. Diesel decreased by 2.92% from US$ 520.01 per ton to US$ 504.83 per ton and Kerosene decreased by 8.27% from US$ 542.27 per ton to US$ 497.44 per ton.
Consequently, the maximum allowed petroleum pump prices in Nairobi will change as follows: Super Petrol, Diesel and Kerosene decrease by KShs 3.06 per litre, KShs. 1.82 per litre and KShs 3.58 per litre respectively.
Over the same period, the mean monthly US Dollar to Kenya Shilling exchange rate remained fairly stable at KShs. 102.95 per US$ in March 2017, compared to KShs 103.41 per US$ in February 2017.
The purpose of the fuel pricing regulations is to cap the pump prices of the products which are already in the country, so that the importation and other prudently incurred costs are recovered, while ensuring reasonable prices to consumers.
In this month's pump prices, actual losses incurred in the pipeline system were calculated and taken into account. This is an average of 0.067% for the period January to March 2017 which is a reduction from the previous of 0.25%. This has led to petroleum pump price reduction attributed to reduction in the pipeline loss factor as follows: Super Petrol KShs. 0.15, Diesel KShs. 0.13 and Kerosene KShs. 0.09 respectively.
Kenyans can rest assured of the Commission's continued commitment to the observance of fair competition and protecting the interests of consumers and investors in the energy sector.
Click here to view the full list of maximum retail prices for all Kenyan towns.

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Hop aboard our magic carpet of artful fashion, and discover "a whole new world" of sleek comfort? (Aren't we clever? ;) ) Our favorite basic drape pant is oh-so-comfortable, just the right amount of dramatic, and perfectly complements the Art of Cloth aesthetic, and many of our favorite tops!
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Holder Uppers
Wheelchair users with the ability to stand and transfer to toilets often have problems with underpants and trousers falling to the floor. This necessitates sitting down, retrieving the garments then standing up again hoping they remain within reach to pull them up. If they are not within reach the process is repeated again until they can be reached. This is a frustrating and energy sapping process. Holder uppers would resolve this problem by retaining the underpants and trousers within reach. These are simple devices which can be attached to upper clothing and the pants or trousers or both and when the disabled person stands the garments remain within reach. They are also very portable and can be carried in a purse, bag or pocket. This is an original solution to a problem which remains largely undiscussed and those affected simply keep trying until they succeed.
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My insight in to this problem was brought about by watching my wife continue to try and retrieve her pants and trousers as described above. My wife has MS which is now at an advanced stage so holder uppers are no longer of any value to her. Whilst they were of value they maintained her independence and self esteem for much longer. I made holder uppers for use in the home and these were fixed at one end to a grab rail and were used each time by my wife. The holder uppers in the photograph are the portable type and my wife carried these in her hand bag for use whilst away from home. Those who cared for her whilst she was out had one less task to carry out on her behalf. The holder uppers have been trialled by one of the users of the Alpha with great success.
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In celebration of POWDER's 45th Anniversary, we are releasing select stories from every volume. This story originally published in POWDER's March 1994 issue (Volume 22, Issue 7).
The day started with low expectations. After all, it was overcast and about 75 degrees in L.A.—standard weather for the Saturday before Easter. What was the potential for good snow? Let me put it this way: The number of Southern Californians who believe in local skiing on Water is probably dwarfed by the number that believe in huge, benevolent, Christian bunnies who worship the Lord Jesus by delivering children baskets of candy and eggs, despite an obvious lack of prehensile fingers.
I had never been to Mount Baldy but had heard good things about it from people in the office. These people, however, had no desire to ski Baldy on Easter weekend: too hot, too late, should have gone in January. I was looking seriously at going alone before the new guy said he had nothing better to do. Even he almost backed out when I told him I was bringing my snowboard. "Around here," I told him, "you use anything that makes the mountain bigger."
What I didn't know is that the mountain is plenty big enough already. Mount Baldy Ski Area rises from a 6,500-foot base to a lift-served 8,600 feet, and the peak itself tops out at 10,040 feet. Though the latitude may be a little low, the elevations are higher than Whistler and every New England resort. The San Gabriels make for a spectacularly steep, folded, and gnarly-looking range, and if they have a flaw it's just that they went a bit thirsty for a while. But as these photos show, they drank their fill last winter.
As steep and alpine-looking as Baldy looked from the access road, I still expected to see the usual SoCal brand of skier on the slope: a yahoo in jeans and a Raiders' jacket jumping stiff-legged over a bump before crashing on the flat landing and bowling over innocent waifs. But the place was empty of those types and just about every other kind. Only skiers with a serious jones for turns were battling the heat and the quickly liquefying snow.
After a full morning, the new guy and I took lunch on Baldy's eagle nest of a deck, as much for the view as for the food. Every Southern California owes it to herself or himself to gaze at the big vertical drops and plum-bob escarpments up there, to see what mountains can look like when developers don't level them into boring mesas—which the pigs do so they can cram on more and more colonies of condos, all with identical pseudo-adobe wall and red tiled roofs.
The afternoon went pretty much like the morning: Me trying to make my snowboard turn, Baldy's inclines throwing me 100 yards down the slope with each transition from heel inside to toeside. I could tell the new guy was getting a little bored with the spectacle but out of nowhere he was saved. Our name suddenly appeared on the "Call Ski Patrol" chalkboard at the lift. As we wondered aloud what the hell for, a bearded guy with a gleam in his eye taped us on the shoulder.
He said he was John Koulouris, a promoter for Baldy, and had left the chalkboard message because he wanted to show us the magnificent backside. His big selling point was mentioning the photos you see here, which he swore I had seen in the office. "Yunno, yunno, the Prosor shots?" I didn't, but mumbled something about "lots of shots in the office, probably saw 'em somewhere" just to get that gleam off my back.
In no time, John radioed for someone to start up the closed Chair 4 and for someone else to drive to a remote pick-up point. We soon boarded our own private lift and rode off into the hot California sky. Below us was a raging Spring Fling keg toss and its hoots and hollers chased us all the way up the mountain. I was on a snowboard and we were going spontaneously o.b. with someone we had never met. It's fair to say that it was the oddest start to a backcountry trip I'd ever experienced.
We hiked briefly up the ridgeline you see on page 57, and while the cornice had withered substantially in the six weeks between Proser's visit and ours, a misstep with the right foot still promised an exciting tumble. We clicked onto our respective boards and then dropped into the yawning, east-facing bowl.
The snow was unsurprisingly wet but wonderfully consistent–like a perfectly compacted Mr. Misty. We broke through, but we broke through so evenly and predictably that it took little effort to dial in the appropriate weighting. After sweating packed and skied–off slopes all day, swerving around in the untracked was joyous.
Alas, the runout ran out much quicker than when Prosor visited. We could stay in the main bowl all the way down, but John said it would force us to make a long walk back to the rendezvous. His solution: link a series of five hanging bowls to skier's right, which were more shaded and thus extended lower to the valley floor. This was the perfect solution for skiers, who had no problem crossing the small ridges into each bowl.
It was hell on a snowboard.
Not only could I not make the small skates necessary on the uplifts of the ridges, but as a goofy footer I was always traversing on my heelside. The sensation was like walking a mile while wearing stiletto-heel pumps backwards (not that I truly know what that feel like but my publisher says it really hurts). Although a better boarder could have dealt, I often had to unbuckle and hike. The other guys' whoops rang in my ears the same way police sirens and poodle barks do.
When the snow finally stopped and we started hiking down, I wasn't quite as bummed as the new guy to hear John talk about the conditions a month earlier. "Yeah the snow came all the way down here. If you started high on Mount Baldy, you could ski 4,000 vertical feet. But you can see that in Prosor pictures." The Prosor shots say it better than I could, but to sum it up, the backside of Baldy is one of those wonderfully long, 35-degree pitches that strictly adheres to the age-old equation: vast quantities of snow=vast quantities of fun.
I kind of expected the adventure to end when we got to our rendezvous, but it didn't. John got behind the wheel of his Trooper and started showing off some of the tricks that he used in a career as a race car driver. We raced down the bumpy dirt road, then began catching air over water bars. When the water bars ran out, the unofficial shooting range started. No kidding, tons of people in the fields pumping lead into abandoned refrigerators and the like. When the shooting range disappeared into the rearview and the road turned to asphalt, we stopped at a roadside bar. Inside, we bought a six-pack from a teenager while older people, their faces the color of cave-dwelling crawfish, nursed Manhattans in the dark, almost unaware of our presence or the glorious sunshine just beyond the heavy door.
We had come a great distance from Baldy, from the mountains to the desert, from the sublime to the strange. But still, it didn't take that long to her back. We took a freeway. There's always a freeway in L.A.


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We are a family of 4 (with 2 teen daughters) travelling to France with a week in Paris beginning 22 July. We will be renting an apartment in the 6th, so will be able to have breakfast and at least one dinner chez nous. My critieria for restaurants is somewhat limited, as one daughter is does not eat fish, and other than foie gras, we do not like offal. Therefore, it is somewhat necessary for each restaurant to have a varied menu (thus ruling out Les Papilles). We had hoped to include La Regalade as our splurge meal, but they are en vacances during our stay. Our choices are more of the "every day" bistros. After much researching here on the forum, here's my list:
Day 1 - Dans Les Landes - do they serve all day, as we will be seriously jet-lagged and might like to eat earlier than normal?
Day 2 - Maison du Jardin
Day 3 - Fish la Boissonerie
Day 4 - Pasco
Day 5 - L'Atlas
Day 6 - lunch at Le Reminet (Louvre at night)
Day 7 - Bistrot d'Henri
Please let me know if any of these are seriously a no-go. Also, any similar restaurant suggestions are welcome in case some of these are closed for vacation.


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You know things are changing when it's men's basketball seasonand Mountain West Conference commissioner Craig Thompson makes thefollowing statement just days before conference play gets underway:
"The two biggest stories have been Rick Majerus' health and San Diego State's success," Thompson said Friday, referring tofirst-half developments.
The Aztecs, in the midst of one of their best starts, have caught the attention of MWC coaches.
"San Diego State's win over Oklahoma State by a very impressivescore (87-66) was an eye-opener to people," Wyoming coach SteveMcClain said.
Fran Fraschilla, whose New Mexico squad opens MWC play tonight against the Aztecs at Cox Arena, says he won't be surprised if SDSU makes a run at the league title.
"I'm not saying they're going to be the No. 1 team in the league," said Fraschilla, "but come March, it wouldn't shock me if they are right at the top of the league."
Utah, predicted to win the conference in the preseason mediapoll, has struggled without coach Rick Majerus, originallysidelined after knee surgery and now out indefinitely after heartproblems.
"The kids truly have a deep concern for Coach Majerus," said Dick Hunsaker, the Utes' interim head coach. "Teams will come in here minus Rick and see it as their chance to knock the Utes off."
As MWC play begins, Wyoming appears to have taken Utah's place as the favorite.
"I take that as a compliment," McClain said. "Being in the third year of a rebuilding program and to be the team that people feel like they have to watch for is a great compliment to our program and our kids."
Here's a look at the MWC teams (listed in order of predicted finish):
The Cowboys appear poised to earn their first conference titlesince 1986 when Jim Brandenburg -- yes, that Jim Brandenburg -- wastheir coach. Junior forward Josh Davis, a first-team all-MWCselection last season, is averaging 12.5 points and leads the MWCin rebounding (10.5). Sophomore guard Marcus Bailey has emerged andranks third in the MWC with 17.5 points per game. Wyoming's depthis impressive as junior post player Ugo Udezue is averaging just6.6 points and 5.2 rebounds in his return from a serious kneeinjury. Two seasons ago, Udezue averaged 20.5 points as asophomore.
The Utes' struggles are topped by this embarrassing fact -- they are 0-3 against schools from Utah. You think losing at Utah State was bad? Try ensuing home losses to Weber State and Southern Utah. Factor in that the Utes went 17-0 at home last season and you can see that Utah isn't as formidable as recent seasons. Junior point guard Kevin Bradley (10.6) is the lone Ute scoring in double figures. Junior forward Chris Burgess, a transfer from Duke, hasn't made the immediate impact most people predicted. Burgess is averaging just 7.1 points and 5.7 rebounds while playing through back problems. At this point, it appears unlikely that coach Rick Majerus (heart problems) will return this season.
The Rebels have won six in a row after a turmoil-filled firstmonth. UNLV was placed on probation by the NCAA for four years,including a postseason ban for this season, making the Rebelsineligible for the 2001 MWC Tournament. Head coach Bill Bayno wasfired and replaced by Max Good. The talent is still among the bestin the MWC. There's no bigger physical presence in the league thansenior center Kaspars Kambala, who ranks first in scoring (18.8)and second in rebounding (10.3). Three other Rebels are among theMWC's top 15 scorers -- senior guard Trevor Diggs (14.1), sophomoreforward Dalron Johnson (12.1 ppg, 7.9 rpg and second in the MWC at2.9 blocks per game) and junior guard Jermaine Lewis (11.7).
The Lobos played their traditional soft nonconference slate sothe record is inflated. New Mexico's losses are to Temple and NewMexico State, the latter an overtime home loss on Saturday.Sophomore sharpshooter Ruben Douglas, a transfer from Arizona,joined the team six games ago and is averaging 14.2 points. Heprovides more firepower to a team that has received a major boostfrom junior-college transfer Eric Chatfield, who's second in theMWC in scoring (18.6). The Lobos have the best point guard in theconference in Marlon Parmer, a lightning quick sophomore who'saveraging 11.5 points and leading the MWC in assists (6.8). Seniorforward Wayland White (9.8 points, 8.0 rebounds) is leading the MWCin blocked shots (3.1).
The Cougars are tough to beat at home with a 13-game homecourtwinning streak dating back to last season. The 1-25 season fromfour years ago is a distant memory as the Cougars (22-11 includingtwo NIT victories last season) expect to make a run at their firstNCAA berth since 1995. BYU has two of the MWC's top six scorers insenior forward Mekeli Wesley (16.0) and senior guard Terrell Lyday(15.0). Senior guard Trent Whiting, a transfer from Utah, hasaveraged 15 points since becoming eligible in mid-December. TheCougars have been hurt by the loss of junior guard Michael Vranes(out for the year with a foot injury). Coach Steve Cleveland saysfreshman forward Garner Meads, a McDonald's High SchoolAll-American last season, has decided to leave on a Mormon Missionnext month.
The Aztecs have won more games in half a season than they didover the previous two seasons. They've also caused a ripple withimpressive victories against Arizona State and Oklahoma State.Realistically, the Aztecs are a year away from challenging for aleague title, though sophomore point guard Deandre Moore insistsSDSU will finish third or higher. The best two players in theprogram are wearing street clothes this season -- guard Tony Bland(Syracuse) and forward Brandon Smith (Michigan) -- due to NCAAtransfer rules. Moore and junior forward Randy Holcomb have raisedSDSU's talent level significantly, and junior guard Al Faux (11.3ppg) is taking a run at being acclaimed the country's best walk-on.Junior forward Myron Epps (14.0) is shooting 62.7 percent now thathe's not double-teamed every game.
The Rams saw Ritchie McKay bolt to Oregon State after twoseasons and are now coached by Dale Layer. Colorado State never isloaded with talent but only once have the Rams finished below .500in the past 13 seasons. CSU lost standout forward Ceedric Goodwynfrom last year's 18-win squad but return four starters, includingsenior guard John Sivesind (12.7 ppg, league-best 53.2 percent from3-point range). Senior forward David Fisher, a reserve last season,leads the MWC in field-goal percentage (63.4) and is averaging 11.8points.
Are the Falcons suddenly committed to basketball? Doubtful,though the Reggie Minton era was finally terminated after 16seasons. Air Force's four conference wins last season tied for itshigh since the 1988-89 season. New coach Joe Scott, a formerPrinceton assistant, is a head coach for the first time and soundedlike it Friday when he said, "Tomorrow, Liberty is a big game forus." When Liberty is a big game for your team -- Air Force won by25 -- count on it being a long season. Senior guard Jarvis Croff(14.6 ppg) and freshman forward Robert Todd (12.6) are the Falcons'top players.


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When recommending people of where to stay in Rio when budget isn't so much of a problem we usually say somewhere near to Ipanema, Leblon or Copacabana. Ipanema is probably a better area than Copacabana but you'll find many more hotels - and the very best ones - along the Copacabana beach front.
At the Rio Vibe we want to give you a real personal touch, we don't want to give you a list of hundreds of different hotels and hostels, there are plenty of other big sites for that. Instead, we will continually research and recommend just a handful of places in different price ranges, that come to us highly recommended. Each and every one we will personally check out and only list places that offer something different and with top quality service. Choose your price range below and find a great hotel in Rio.
Price you can expect to pay per night: $300 (1200R)
If you've got a healthy budget, we absolutely recommend staying a the Miramar, in Copacabana. Impeccable staff, nice sized rooms with huge marbled bathrooms, get a sea view room to look straight out to Copacabana beach, breathtaking. The pool area on the roof is wonderfully set up, dor breakfast you get a great selection - even a glass of champagne each morning if that takes your fancy! There are plenty of bars and restaurants nearby. Some of the Rio Vibe family recently stayed here and were blown away by it all. Top marks.
Price you can expect to pay per night: $550 (2200R)
It's probably the most expensive hotel in Rio, but for the rich and famous that come to Rio, the Fasano hotel is the place to stay (well, here or the Copacabana Palace). Hordes of young screaming girls waited outside last year to try and catch a glimpse of One Direction who were staying there. If you can afford it, get a beach view to make the most of it, the view is stunning! Brilliant service and an amazing pool area on the roof. Located right at the heart of Ipanema beach, not only is it the best location. They also have an Italian restaurant at the hotel which serves great food.
Price you can expect to pay per night: $129 (520R)
If you're looking for somewhere welcoming, with a personal feel, we've found a true gem for you. With a wonderful, helpful and caring owner (who runs the hotel as well) who has done everything for the guests comfort, look no further than the Casa Bromelia in Ipanema.
Casa Bromelia is an interesting mid-range option. It is is an intimate boutique hotel located in a recently restored Portuguese Vila, 1 block from the beach, in the heart of Ipanema. You can come here to get a blend of local tradition and international taste, and to feel like you live in Rio. The owner takes care of each guest personally, to make sure you get to know the city from a local's perspective. Each room has an individual French balcony, local artwork, handcrafted bed and linen sheets. A healthy, tasty, homemade breakfast is included every morning - don't miss the cinnamon coffee! For more info click here
We're still researching and looking for some of the best budget hotels, we'll be adding to this soon. We want only the best for you so it takes a little time.
The budget travellers best friend. Rio is packed full of interesting hostels varying in quality. Starting at around 25R a night, hostels in Rio can be very budget friendly. If you're looking for somewhere near the beach, we've heard good things about Che Legarto in Ipanema, as well as Chill on the Beach in Copacabana. There are also very good, and probably better quality hostels based in Botafogo, or for something different - the hillside neighbourhood of Santa Teresa.
With so much information and reviews available online nowadays, we've had great experience with and recommend to use the popular review and booking site Hostelworld. You can get searching with them below! Great to find the best budget travel options.
When recommending people of where to stay in Rio when budget isn't so much of a problem we usually say somewhere near to Ipanema, Leblon or Copacabana. With the emmergence of short term apartment rental sites such as Air b n b, you'll be spoilt for choice. We've always had good experiences with them.
Pousada literally means 'place to stay' and there are thousands all over Brazil, ranging from the very simple to the extremely sophisticated and luxurious.
At the Rio Vibe we recommend to use the site Hidden Pousadas Brazil. It's an insider's guide to handpicked pousadas in Brazil: unique bed and breakfast, guesthouse, inn, eco-lodge, B & B and luxury boutique hotel accommodation. Great to get a little off the beaten track.
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MBTS Fall 2016 Convocation Sermon: "Take Heed To the Ministry" (Colossians 4:17)
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for being here in this hour of worship and for choosing to be a part of this family; both as faculty, staff, student, trustee, and all that comprises who Midwestern Seminary is. I want to invite you this morning, as we frame the semester before us and think through where we are in our stage of life and ministry here, to Colossians 4:17. Frankly, this morning's charge is a little different than what I typically do. I am not going to work through a longer passage of Scripture, rather, we are going to look at one verse in particular. This verse will be a charge to the entire seminary community. Read more
Spring Commencement 2016: Finish Well
Last week, Midwestern Seminary had our 2016 commencement ceremony. For my portion of the service, I urged our graduates to "finish well." In a time when ministry is hard, and many who enter ministry will retire doing something else, it is vital for our graduates to run the race with endurance, fight the good fight, and finish well. Read more
Nine Questions to Ask Before Choosing a Seminary
This past week, we welcomed nearly 100 prospective students to Midwestern Seminary's campus for spring Preview Day. Every semester, Preview Day encourages me as I get to interact with future students and sense who the Lord is calling to study here. This year's spring Preview Day did not disappoint. I heard the stories, sensed the passion, and felt the conviction of another wave of students coming to Midwestern Seminary for theological education.
It was good for me to hear from them, but also for them to hear from me about what they can expect at Midwestern Seminary. One of life's most important questions for those pursuing ministry preparation is which seminary to attend. One should not choose a seminary lightly. In fact, I would encourage anyone considering seminary not to move forward with their choice without having these questions satisfactorily answered: Read more
Recovering the Master of Divinity Degree
In the world of theological education, the Master of Divinity degree has long been the gold standard for ministry preparation, and its status is well deserved. In it, one finds the complete toolkit for ministry service: Greek and Hebrew, New Testament and Old Testament, theology, church history, preaching, pastoral care and counseling, evangelism, missions, and much, much more.
Yet, in many seminaries, the Master of Divinity degree has fallen on hard times. In recent years, shorter and less rigorous Master of Arts degrees have syphoned off students from the Master of Divinity degree. Read more
A Conversation with D. A. Carson
This week, Midwestern Seminary hosted its annual Sizemore Lectures, with D. A. Carson as the guest lecturer. After the first lecture, I had the privilege to discuss a wide range of topics with Dr. Carson. Read more


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Toyota revealed today at the Detroit Auto Show the FT-CH Concept, a new hybrid vehicle designed especially for urban use. The new concept is with 560mm shorter than the current Prius and could be a preview for the long-rumoured Toyota Prius Coupe which will be built to take on cars such as the upcoming Honda CR-Z which will make its official debut at this year's Detroit Show.
The FT-CH was designed by the Toyota ED2 design studio in Nice and aims at a younger audience than the traditional Prius buyer. Also, the car is much ligher and more efficient comparing to the 2010 Toyota Prius. Even the price will be lower comparing it to the Prius. Toyota confirmed today in Detriot that it intends to bring an all-electric car to market by 2012 and a fuel-cell vehicle by 2015.
CH (which refers to the compact hybrid) is actually a part of the compact class. For some perspective, the best way to describe it would be to compare it to the Prius, a mid-sized car. As such, the Toyota FT-CH shows the functionality and attitude of a vehicle that works well within the urban setting.
The size of the FT-CH makes it maneuverable, nimble and responsive. According to Lentz, the FT-CH is the package that many Toyota customers and dealers have been waiting for. The style of the FT-CH was created by the brand's European Design and Development (ED²) center located in Nice, France.
It is shorter than the Prius by 22 inches while its width is less by not even an inch. While it may appear that the FT-CH has smaller external dimensions than the Prius, it still offers maximum passenger comfort. Furthermore, the interior has just enough room but it stands out because of its creative sense of style. One highlight of the FT-CH is that the designers at ED² managed to depict a type of appeal that is now known as the 8-bit generation.
For those unfamiliar with this terminology, the 8-bit generation refers to the early 1980s when the video game industry was then ruled by the 8-bit microprocessor technology. With the many advances in technology, the 8-bit is now part of the retro period.
Thus it is not surprising to see art and music that have been inspired by the 8-bit. By providing a throwback to the 8-bit generation, Toyota hopes that it will increase its appeal especially with the young buyers as it also associated with innovation, fun, and style. Additionally, the FT-CH is lighter than the Prius and is more fuel efficient.
Toyota also expects that in order to become more attractive to the younger demographic, who are usually not as affluent as the older generation, the FT-CH will be priced lower than the Prius. Lentz confirms that since the Prius is now universally known for its hybrid technology, TMS will start to develop its family "marketing strategy" especially for the North American market. Lentz say that with this, they hope to be able to maximize the brand equity of the Prius.
Lentz adds that they are still forming the strategy and clarified that it will clearly need more models in order to be called a family. The FT-CH is one of the concepts that the company is considering for this family, Lentz concludes. Toyota intends to sell a million hybrids annually worldwide starting in early 2010.
Majority of this is expected to be sold in North America. To meet this objective, Toyota revealed plans to release eight new hybrid models in the coming years. However Toyota states that it will not include the next generation models of its current hybrid cars. Rather it will solely be for the new hybrid cars and the hybrid versions for many of its current gas engine units.
At the core of its hybrid technology is the battery. Toyota has long been dedicated to the research and development of improved nickel-metal hydride batteries. This was started in the early stages of the development of the Prius during the early 1990s. After seven models and three generations, Toyota has managed to improve the reliability, quality, and energy density, all while being able to decrease the weight, size, and most importantly the cost.
One of the significant components of Toyota's achievements with regards to hybrid technology has been its joint venture partnership with the company Panasonic. By the end of this year, Panasonic EV Energy (PEVE) will have three fully operational but separate production facilities.
The total combined production from these three plants is estimated to be one million units per annum. In order to move forward with its electrification, Toyota launched a global demonstration program that involved around 600 Prius vehicles.
By the start of this year Toyota says that 150 plug-in hybrid vehicles will start to enter the U.S. They will be put in different regional cluster through its selected partners. These will then be used for technical demonstration and market or consumer analysis.


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By default, installing the Deep Security Agent (DSA) allows you to automatically install the Notifier as well. When you have Notifier installed, its icon will show to all users.
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401(k)s, Retirement Savings and the Financial Crisis
How much longer would typical workers have to work to recoup their losses?
That's a difficult question to answer, and it depends on many factors, such as how much people save each year, how quickly the money grows and how long a person has been working. We asked Jack L. VanDerhei, research director for the D.C.-based Employee Benefit Research Institute (EBRI), to try to help us calculate an answer.
First, consider that total retirement wealth lost from a year ago is nearly $4 trillion. We're talking about $2.0 trillion in lost income in 401(k)s and Individual Retirement Accounts (IRAs), and $1.9 trillion in traditional defined-benefit plans. In addition, households lost another $3.6 trillion in non-pension assets. This means in one year the value of equities in pension plans and household portfolios fell by about $7.5 trillion.
Typically, younger workers tend to have more stocks in their portfolios while older employees tend to hold safer investments such as bonds. EBRI found that how long a person has been working matters far more than the age of an employee when it comes to calculating recovery time.
SOURCE: Center for Retirement Research at Boston College; Employee Benefit Research Institute | CREDITS: Reporting by Nancy Trejos and Brenna Maloney; Graphic by Laura Stanton, The Washington Post - December 6, 2008
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Another glorious day in Hawaii
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I didn't need to go far for breakfast this morning. The hotel was kind enough to send a complimentary fruit basket to our room the other day with pineapple, apples, paw-paw, grapes and lots of other fresh tropical fruits. I sat on my balcony with my fresh fruit and later a cup of fresh brewed Kona coffee and enjoyed the view on this bright sunny day.
We didn't do much today. I had booked a hire car for us, as we are driving around the island tomorrow, so we went to pick that up. As Alamo (car rentals) was near the Ala Moana shopping centre, Mel and I decided we would go to Bubba Gump for lunch. Mel had wanted to try it yesterday, but was too focussed on her shopping to stop for lunch. So, we went for lunch and had a little look around at the shops. I bought myself another pair of crocs, but this pair are lined and oh so warm and comfy. (I am wearing them as I speak. :))
As we have a full day planned for tomorrow, I decided to pack most of my things so I wouldn't need to worry about it tomorrow. Our flight back to Australia is first thing Tuesday morning and I will have no time them. Therefore, a bit of a rest today, both for me in Hawaii and here writing my blog :), and for all of you who have been kind enough to follow my journey. :D


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Go wide! Hands-on with Canon's 11-24mm F4 L
Hands-on with Canon's new 11-24mm F4 L
Canon's new 11-24mm F4 L wideangle zoom lens has been a long time coming. It's Canon's widest ever rectilinear zoom by some margin, and may even challenge Nikon's venerable 14-24mm F2.8 as the tool of choice for landscape, property and architectural photographers. We got our hands on a prototype recently at Canon's US headquarters. Click through this slideshow for a closer look.
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Hmm, very tempting for a guy in the midst of switching from Sony A-mount (the real one) to either Nikon or Canon. Prior to reading this and seeing the sample photos I was sold on the Nikon and the 14-24. This lens makes the choice more difficult although this cannon of a Canon would be more of a challenge on the street.
Just completed my review of the Canon 11-24mm f/4L USM...
Those are some very nice photos! Looks like a stunning lens; we can't wait to get our hands on one.
Sharpness is not the most important aspect of lens. It's the ability to "hold" light- flair and coma control. I had a 14mm lens w. a front element as "pregnant" as this lens. My lens would have comas from lights behind the camera. The light would get reflected of the inner surface of the front element. The best lens I have is the Carl Zeiss 15mm. Very few problems. I shoot HDR so 1 of my 3 exposures is @ +2. The light from bright windows often spills on curtains and such. Good lens should have a good control of such spill. So before I buy this lens I'll go to the store w. my camera and tripod and test 2 lenses under the toughest conditions- aimed at widows surrounded by dark wall and with a ceiling light shining into the camera on a high and oblique angle. Then I decide.
Well, now they're just showing off.
Street price will be lowered after the first few months so I wouldn't be put off by the RRP,if the lens produces a low distortion and low CA image then it will be worth the money.
Flare control should also be good and considering the Nikon's 2.8 aperture its worth bearing in mind that this is 11mm which is a fair bit wider than 14mm!
I shoot in small spaces. This lens will make my life much easier. Thanks Canon.
Can't wait to use it . Just ordered it today.
I'm an architectural photographer, it's all going to come down to how sharp it is over the whole image. I jumped ship to Nikon specifically because the 14-24 is sharp across the image and the Canon 16-35mkII was awful at the edges. Even if it's top notch, at that price I can't see being tempted to jump back.
you need the Canon 17mm Tilt Shift for architecture. I use one everyday and its as sharp as you can get.
I thought the lens was large until I saw the price. It had better be the most magnificent piece of glass in that focal range by a decent margin.
Will be interesting to see how this compares to the Sigma 12-24mm, especially given the price differential!
Found some sample shots from the Canon:
If this ever-widening trend continues, someday the photographer will have to hide his/her ears to keep them from becoming part of the picture.
That cracked me up :) I use an 8mm and constantly have to bend or move to keep me out of the shot.
Huh...what about the front element of my 600/4 EF
"According to Canon, the 11-24mm's front element is the largest ever manufactured for an SLR lens, at 87mm in diameter."
Canon says that the front element is the largest "round front" ground glass aspheric made for an SLR. The emphasis on "round front" is necessary because several camera companies have made mirror lenses for SLRs, and mirror lenses of the common Schmidt design use aspheric corrector plates as the first lens element.
I think that the second element is much more interesting. Canon says it's the largest molded glass aspheric, and look at the shape in the diagrams. It's a thing of beauty.
I don't know if dpReview lost a few words, or if they got a different version of the Canon press release than I'm looking at now.
Does the veracity of this claim have any bearing on how the lens performs or what it can be used for?
Nikon's legendary 13mm f5.6 rectilinear lens was, to my knowledge, the widest (serious) rectilinear lens ever made for a full frame camera, and here were have an astoundingly wide zoom starting at 11mm. I think it's over the top amazing, I want to read a lens test. I wish DPR would test more lenses, that's more interesting to me than a test of a new camera. Hell, test some old lenses.
That's an impressive lens. I'm looking forward to seeing it in action.
For those who balk at the f4 aperture, while I would love to see it at 2.8 or whatever, I think Canon had to make a very important decision. The Nikon 14-24, which I dearly love, is not a small lens. This 11-24 is even bigger. I'd venture a guess that an 11-24 f2.8 would be massive... maybe beyond a functional lens for most photographers. Not to mention, it would likely make it prohibitively expensive. ($3000 is already a very pricey lens.)
Nikon, Canon, Sigma, etc. could make a 14-200 f2.8 lens or a 24-70 f1.4 but I think we all know the same scenario unfolds; huge, expensive, heavy, etc. Lens manufacturers must give way to physics and the economy; law of diminishing returns.
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Why on earth does a camera review (Canon 5D R) get ten times more comments than a lens' review? Bodies come and go, lenses stay (even more so in this digital age); that's why lenses are the heart of a phogorphic system. It should be the other way round, but I guess cameras have more gizmos and fancy figures... oh well.
Because nobody has seen any images from the lens. The only things to discuss at this point are (a) is the front element bigger than some other front element? and (b) is this really the best 11mm lens available or does Nikon make a better 11mm?
Those are fascinating topics, but with the bodies, people have some idea of what to expect. Obviously, there is some disappointment with the bodies but the lens is an unknown.
I see your point, but... what good is a body for without a lens?
What's there to read about a camera? It's just a tool. In two years it will be obsolete. Anyway, I think you missed the point. It was about the relative importance of bodies compared to lenses.
Well I am sure the number of people who will buy the camera will exceed 10 times the number of people who will buy this lens if not much more.
According to the guy who run lensrental.com, 9 on 10 ppl buy an inter lens camera...and NEVER change the stock lens.
You can buy second hand cameras with lenses "sticky" on their mount, used for 5 years or more.
On my side, i just bought my first (digital) inter lens camera and already use 3 lenses for 3 different uses.
And even if i will never buy this lens, i find it very interesting. Because i know value of lenses. in general.
The argument about ppl who will never buy this lens is exactly the same about body ;)
Who will buy a 7D Mark II now and brand new ?
Not so much. But ppl will discuss a lot more about it.
Like OP said, a lot of ppl don't value lenses vs body. Too bad...
Features are one thing (body win), but passion should win with lenses. Seeing that beautiful engineering, i'm in love even without "test" pictures ;)
I'm not so sure. At 11mm, the lens can do something that hasn't been done before (probably not that useful but we'll see a lot of it until people get it out of their system.)
The cameras, at best, will capture more detail than some other camera with fewer megapixels. It will be hard to find an image that would have been impossible with less than 50mp.
Sample Photos from Canon @11mm & 12mm
I just ordered this lens woowhoo!
This lens fits the 5Ds(R) cameras perfectly - both the lens and cameras are for a niche market. For a pro these gear could be well desired, but I wonder how many amateurs or photography afficionados will buy into one of these pieces.
Interesting lens. I wonder if it was a tough decision for Canon to decide between an ultra ultra wide f4 zoom or a slightly narrower f2.8 zoom eg. 12-24 f2.8 or similiar. Personally i think that the f2.8 variant would have been more versatile.
Of course i do. One example are astro shots/star trails. But not only there, you can also perfectly use it to create depth of field effects like here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/bruciesheroes/10211834413/
This is 14mm @ f2.8 on the D800. I like those alternate perspectives.
Btw: I think the 14-24 has quite a pleasant bokeh :)
UWA is not only about landscapes :)
Haha so many nikon shooters and even some canon shooters thinks that canon's wide angle lenses are weak compared to nikon s, but they obviously havn't shot with canon's 24mm tse ii L, man this lens is as sharp as the zeiss 21mm (now returned), nearly as sharp as my 55mm otus, and yes sharper then canon's own 17mm tse L :-)
That is a tilt shift lens, not a regular wide angle one, so your comment is invalid.
I hope it's as good as it sounds like.
But I'll reserve judgement until it's out. Canon's had many weak UWA entries, IMO - especially if you don't count the specialty TS-E 17mm lens. This applies to both zooms and primes wider than 24mm on FF (or the equivalent on APS-C).
The 16-35IS pretty much matches the TSE17.
The 16-35/4 L IS (I presume that's what "16-24" meant) is an improvement, but still fairly average. Canon's certainly going to have to do better than it on this lens. It's supposedly "good," but hasn't shown me anything that would make me want one. It's more of a concession - if you have a Canon body, it may be your best choice. Which is a sad statement on the state of Canon UWA lenses, frankly.
Can you please explain to me which of these lenses impresses you so much? Is it the entry level EF-S, or the available-some-places EF-M which fits a body Canon sort-of sells?
16-35/4L is just "good" eh? okay then .. carry on. lenstip gives it a very high rating, DxO shows it competes against anything if you know how to look at their numbers and interpret them. lenscore which doesn't use a particular camera body to test with - calls it the best UWA zoom out there.
17mm TS-E is something that no one's done. as with this lens the 11-24mm it's optics that no one else has even attempted to create in a mass production environment.
the last "weak" UWA from canon was the 16-35L 2.8 II - which is 7 years old now.
There is no problem buying an EOS M anywhere. It's called mail order and even Ken Rockwell approves (although he thinks paying retail price by mail is buying wholesale.)
I expect the 11-24 to be excellent. But even if it isn't, it will be better at 11mm than all the other 11mm full frame lenses.
Expensive new lens designs these days don't necessarily produce beautiful images. Not that all premiums lenses ever achieved this ideal - but historically, most at least tried.
Today, good numbers in "objective" measurements are so important (at least many cynical marketeers believe so) that beauty is left out of the picture.
Recently Zeiss has managed to walk a very fine line between great measurements and beautiful images - attempting to sacrifice neither while achieving both. I'm not sure they've quite done it, but they're close.
The 16-35/4 L is a measurement-oriented design. It doesn't pick up the beauty of the light like better lenses do. I've seen the images from it. I don't want them coming out of my camera.
The 17mm TS-E is nothing new - it's just Canon's (mostly successful) attempt to bring an old camera design to (D)SLRs. And 12mm vs. 11mm? Even at the wide end, 1mm is hardly revolutionary. Now if they can do it with great image quality, THIS will mean something. THIS is what will elevate it above Sigma's offering - not 1mm!
So this brings me back to what I first said - it'd better produce great results! Otherwise it was simply a nice idea.
Canon's been complacent in recent years. They still produce many great pieces of photo gear. But it's no help when people stroke their ego by praising mediocrity, when what they actually need is a kick in the tail.
Oh, and "Kodak makes some excellent Wratten filters"?
Didn't they sell that business to Tiffen years ago?
I think there's a word or three missing from "According to Canon, the 11-24mm's front element is the largest ever manufactured for an SLR lens, at 87mm in diameter."
Maybe "for a rectilinear ultrawide SLR lens" or "for an aspherical SLR lens" (if that monster is one of the aspherical elements in the 11-24.
Indeed. Canon says that the front element is the largest "round front" ground glass aspheric made for an SLR. The emphasis on "round front" is necessary because several camera companies have made mirror lenses for SLRs, and mirror lenses of the common Schmidt design use aspheric corrector plates as the first lens element.
I think that the second element is much more interesting. Canon says it's the largest molded glass aspheric, and look at the shape in the diagrams. It's a thing of beauty.
Yesss, canon wins. canon has need 40 years to beat Nikon 13mm f/5,6 wide angle lens :
" The 13mm is Nikon's greatest lens. It is Nikon's greatest lens because not only is it big and supremely expensive, it is Nikon's, and perhaps photography's, greatest lens because it lets us make photographs we can make no other way.
The Nikon 13mm is the world's widest non-distorting professional SLR lens ever made, by anyone, in any format. It allows us to get closer to our subjects, stretch distances and create images from perspectives otherwise unimaginable. "
The Sigma 12-24mm Mk. I has very low distortion, low at 12mm, almost gone at 13mm. The Mk. II is quite different, with lots of it. Will be interesting to see the distortion level of the Canon 11-24mm.
For the record, I hate this... because it might finally be something wider than what I use now, but it's way more expensive and even a little more awkward than what I use now. I absolutely adore ultrawide zoom lenses (and Sigma is the one to beat for that with their 8-16mm APS-C and 12-24mm FF), and I know they are hard to use simply because of their ultrawide view, but can't they be a bit more user friendly?
If anyone is listening, I think there's a huge market for an ultrawide that starts around 12mm (on FF, or 8mm on APS-C), is cheaper but still high IQ, and is small enough to carry around normally -- even if it's f/5.6 or f/8 wide open. I've happily used little fisheyes that started at f/8. As long as the aperture isn't past the diffraction limit, a slow aperture really isn't much of a penalty in such a lens.
You hit the nail on the head in my book. I was quite pleased with the 14-24 demo on the 810 combined with the FotodioX WonderPana 66 System. I really can't see this as an option with the 11-24 even if they were to make one.
For me, this is too much of a good thing' and the 500+ positive reviewers' of the 14-24 is a fairly decent track record. Less weight and less size and a perfected filter kit that doubles as a 'getter none' lens cap is sweet.
I'm looking forward to this. I've been using the 15/f2.8 fish-eye (de-fished) for big-sky images and interior shots and was seriously thinking about the 14/f2.8 rectilinear to get rid of the artifacts I can see in the corners of my de-fished images (still good enough for 50" prints).
I'll give this a few months and borrow one and the 14mm from CPS to see which suits my shooting the best. The zoom ability is going a long way in my mind to justify the steep price, so long as the performance is as good as the potential indicated.
"According to Canon, the 11-24mm's front element is the largest ever manufactured for an SLR lens, at 87mm in diameter"
Nah, the front element of the nikon 6mm f2.8 is bigger(by a wide margin) 200mm!
Presumably they mean "largest aspherical lens element", otherwise it doesn't make sense. The Nikon 13mm (to stay with the rectilinear lens type) is far bigger.
I was wondering about that staement too.
Front elements in the 200mm/f2.0, 300mm/f2.8, 400mm/f3.5 and 600mm/f5.6 are about 100mm in diameter, while in the 300mm/f2.0, 400mm/f2.8, 600mm/f4.0 and 800mm/f5.6 are even bigger at about 150mm. All of them way bigger than that in the 11-24mm/f4.0. All of those lenses have been made by Nikon and many of them by Canon.
Nikon 1200-1700mm f/5.6-8: 212mm.
Canon 1200mm f/5.6: 214mm!
My question is why this new lens doesn't have image stabilization?
Thanks! This makes sense.
Compared to 11-24 , 14-24's mtf seems like a kit lens......just kidding, 11-24 is just better.
How so? The 14-24 appears to have less astigmatism, and only provide data at f/2.8 to boot, making any sort of comparison somewhat flawed.
Really? I thought the wide and tele MTF graphs corresponded to 11mm and 24mm, respectively?
$3k/2kilos....uhmmm Do I really care about photography that much??
Oh, and we are supposed to use it with your not out yet but already outdated 50MP 5DS camera that will be for sale in 6 mo?
Canon cluelessly doubles down, again, on an empty table.
How empty must the coffers get before a shakedown happens at that company?
Unlike some other camera companies Canon is profitable and sitting on a huge pile of cash so to the extent your happiness depends on Canon running out of money you should probably find a different thing to obsess about.
It will be interesting to see how much this distorts. Finding distortion-free wide-angle lenses is next to impossible. The best one I have any experience with is the Zeiss 21mm f/4.5 C Biogon T* ZM lens. It's the widest essentially distortion-free lens out there and Zeiss just discontinued it because of poor sales.
Of course, there's not a single digital camera that could really make use of it...in color, at least. It worked fine on the Leica M Monochrom.
I'd jump through all kinds of hoops, including changing platforms, for a lens as good as the Zeiss that could be used with a digital camera. We'll see soon.
Why Zoom and not a prime?
My works for architects don't need to be spectacular but right in point of view, clean perspective, and a perfect framing. TS-E 17+24 are perfect. But in some case the Sig 12-24 is very helpful for its 12 mm focal length on FF, especially for rectilinear panoramas. Note 12, not 14mm, because in theses situations you can't have enough angle of view. O.k. serious architecture photography isn't the domain of DSLRs, but after working with the Canon system + CamRanger it's very hard to return to any MF-sensor camera: very fast in use, perfect in control, and they cover the quality standard about 90% of architecture jobs in the world!
Canon, Nikon, Sigma, Zeiss what we really need is 120 degree horizontal angle of view in a rectilinear prime lens to use on 50 MPx FF-Sensors. Don't suggest to use a fisheye-lens and correct it digitally, because you only can make a perfect framing on the basis of what you see in the viewfinder!
Only f4? Who wants a lens that slow? I think the Nikon 14-24 f2.8 is still better.
That's what I've been waiting for(11-24), but not the price tag.
You can't compare 11 and 14mm, there is a huge difference.
Can somebody please enlighten me who's gonna need 11mm focal length. I've checked several samples of this lense. I have an impression that many of them look weird. I'm very familiar with UWA lense as a long time samyang 14mm user. But those samples just dont look right. To focus on a subject, this distant must be very close, and perspective distortion is huge. And barrel distortion is obvious visible. I saw the last pic the corner is not in focus, probaly due to the extreme close distance. At this price, I would take the TSE 17 over this lense for better control of focal plane and perspective distortion correction.
FF: fov - Rectilinear ultra wideangle (not WA 'fisheye')
11-24mm F4L USM
APS-H: 1.3x (Canon)
14.3-31.2mm eq.fov
APS-C: 1.5x (Others)
16.5-36mm eq.fov
APS-C: 1.6x (Canon)
17.6-38.4mm eq.fov
Metabones Speedbooster: EF-to-SonyE (1.5x 0.71x)
11.7-25.6mm F4.3 eq.fov
22-48mm eq.fov
easily covers my favorite 24mm eq.fov across many system sizes
Nope! ...Sdaniella's figures are completely correct.
The only time you'd divide the crop factor would be if using the lens on a larger-than-lens-designed sensor (e.g. [in this case using a Full Frame lens] Medium Format ...if the lens had the coverage!).
And when using the Metabones Speedbooster (which works in the opposite way to a teleconverter), as per the Sony example above, the effective aperture (in brightness terms) would be f2.8 with a 'depth of field equivalence' similar to ~f4.3 ...so retaining almost the whole angle of view whilst gaining one stop in brightness.
Really ...it's not as hard as you're making it for yourself.
Heie2, I think Sdaniella was referring to what FOV (in 35mm terms) this lens will give when mounted to various cameras, not which focal lengths a lens would need on other cameras to equal this one.
The point was that - since Sdaniella likes 24mm on FF so much - this lens would do the job on almost any camera.
But I don't think this is the appropriate lens if that's your objective. It's too big, and it's not very cost effective. It will be difficult enough to justify its purchase for APS-C, let alone 4/3. It's really meant for FF cameras.
but remember, the new EOS 5Ds/5DsR is an FF/1.3x/1.6x dSLR
fov really is 'cropped' (sensor is actually cropped), so the fov goes long (more tele)
I avoid calling any smaller sensor system a crop sensor, but just call it a ... smaller sensor system, period.
there is added reason to spell out the math here as I did
I just wanted others to imagine, if this new lens can encourage use on newer upcoming 24mp+ APSC (or smaller) systems as they start to escalate mp to 30mp, 40mp, 50+, etc
and as any WA shooter knows, no matter how good (the best) lens one has, its all wasted on dcams/dSLRs with very low mp (below 20mp (FF), dare I say, never mind 18/16/14 mp)
this new lens needs 20+, 30+, 40+, 50mp, to take full advantage of its WA optics, plus, given its rectlinear design, CREATIVE CROP is boundless (far more so than before)
It sounds perfect until you get to the f/4 bit and the price.
I just pre-ordered mine through B&H. Unfortunately I needed get rid of my excellent 16-35L IS to make room. So now I'm pretty set as wides go with a TS-E 17 & 24, Canon FD TS-E 35, 24-70L II, and Sigma 35. I'm still going to miss the 16-35L IS.
How does it get to be so big at just slightly wider (11mm vs the 12mm of the Nikon), while the Nikon is 2.8 and it's f4? Don't get that one . . . .
Because the Nikon is a better lens..
(Only) The entrance pupil is f4.0. It's located in the middle of the lens. The other lens elements do not count. The front elements can be as large as the manufacturer wants them to be. Just look at the vintage Nikon 13mm f5.6. It's only f5.6, but the lens is way larger than the 11-24mm f4 or the 14-24mm f2.8.
11mm is much, much wider than 14mm. I'm not at all surprised at the size of the front element, & I, for one, am glad this lens isn't f/2.8. It would've been massive if it were. I understand some types of astrophotography may suffer because of this, but I suppose that was a sacrifice they were willing to make.
Obviously, my mistake missing the Nikon being only 14mm. And of course that is a big difference with this lens. Disadvantages of rushing . . .
As a former Canon fanboy I can't believe how many complaints there are about the uninteresting specs and unrealistic prices of Canon's new offerings.
Canon just doesn't get it!
Thank God my Canon lenses can be adapted to other cameras!
No, most of people here are gearheads that can't even tell the difference between 14 and 11mm lens, heck: some of them don't even know the difference between this lens and a fisheye or APS-C lens.
Go to some other forums and you'll see people being much more optimistic. Eg. On Petapixel this lens is viewed as a breakthrough.
If you desire a ultra wide(say below 15mm) rectilinear lens, or rather desire the image it produces, then it's better to buy a sharp Fisheye, say the new FF Samyang 12mm f2.8. With a fisheye you have a possibility to have the absolute widest FF shot(if needed), and additionally you can rectilinearize the fisheye afterwards to your liking, producing either a fully rectilinear 10-15mm equivalent, or even wider semi rectilinear shot. You also get more light with the fisheye and in my experience a sharper image, it's much more difficult to optically remove the barrel distortion thus keeping the distortion in the lens and removing it with software produces a sharper image, the Samyang fisheyes for crop and FF sensors are amazingly sharp and cheap, you don't basically have to focus them in normal shots...
I agree. Future cameras may in fact have the in-camera software to do this. As we move further into the future I see 200MP+ cameras whose megapixel counts are used in conjunction with SUPER sharp but simple lenses (thus high microcontrast, wide aperture, high flare resistance) but produce all sorts of distortions, which are fully correctable digitally.
I would be interested to see the image quality of this lens at its widest setting. Correcting a fisheye image with software to create an 11mm equivalent rectilinear image requires a huge amount of interpolation (generating pixel that weren't there in the sensor scan). Unless Canon made a real mess of this lens design, it is going to leave a software corrected fisheye for dead. I think it is fine to get the lens rectilinearly corrected as close as possible optically and tweak it with lens profiles, as many camera systems now do, but, in the end, if image quality is important to you, a fisheye is a fisheye and a rectilinear is a rectilinear.
This lens has to be big to be an 11mm ƒ/4. It would have to be much bigger to be an 11mm ƒ/2.8. ƒ/4 goes with the territory. It's fine with todays high sensitivity cameras.
I hope it's a success. Kudos to Canon for putting out another ambitious lens design. Now, if only they could try a bit harder with their bodies . . . . . .
You can fully rectilinearize a fisheye photo(even in just Lightroom), and from my experience with the 12-24mm sigma at 12mm and when comparing it with a rectilinearized fisheye they compare pretty well, the fisheye is a lot more sharper in the middle as the middle part of the photo contains more original pixels, the corners are interpolated but they definitely are not sharp on the 11 or 12mm rectilinear lenses either. Here are few samples from my a6000 with a Samyang 8mm fisheye, the first interior shot is almost rectilinear, and sorry it's very high iso, so bit noisy, all others are much wider than 11mm rectilinear, but they are not fully reictilineariced, barrel distortion just reduced, note that also the aspect ratio is wider, an optical rectilinearization loses the sides due to the sensor aspect ratio: https://plus.google.com/photos/116331416069860982168/albums/6113006125094787665?authkey=CO3snuGxx8-Pfw
For those interested in the Samyang 12mm fisheye for the 24x36mm sensors take a look at here http://www.slrlounge.com/rokinon-12mm-f2-8-full-frame-fisheye-lens-review-urbex-extreme-adventure-photography-lens/
All the newer Samyangs(with the red ring) seem to be extremely sharp, I have the 8mm f2.8 Fisheye and the 12mm f2.0 wide-angle for Sony e-mount(crop) and both are extremely sharp. I would buy that 12mm 2.8 fisheye for my D800, but I'm waiting to see if Sony comes out with the rumoured A9(or what ever it is called), and if it's what I hope, I'm ditching my D800, and switching to all mirrorless. Definitely getting the 12mm f2.8 for the Sony(or Nikon if the new Sony is not what I'm hoping for)
ps. I liked the SLRlounge review, but the reviewer definitely not too familiar with de-fishing fisheyes, you can do it also in LR, without loosing any of the FOV on the sides or tops of the frame, not that any of the Adobes de-fishing algorithms really are any good, but they get the job done.
pp fisheye stretching to a rectilinear image smears and loses massive details otherwise intact in the outer half of the image of an optically rectilinear image caught as original.
one cannot get high fidelity rectilinear wa images from the best fisheye any more (not by much) from umpteem good/so-so/poor fisheye lenses; they are closer in IQ than a purpose designed WA rectilinear lens (not easy to make)
Having owned the previously widest rectilinear lens(Sigma 12-24mm) on full-frame and many fish eyes over the years, the new generation on Samyang fish eyes are my choice(they are just extremely sharp, no way Canon can match the sharpness even in 10x price), and the Samyang price is 10 times less expensive than the new Canon, more light also f2.8 vs f4, and significantly sharper on the middle(when rectilinearized) I just don't see any point on having a below 16mm rectilinear lens(given the prices), when you can get very good rectilinear images from a good fish eye, and have the flexibility to shoot fish eye images also. Plus the fish eye is much lighter to carry.
I don't fully agree that you loose massive amount of detail on the corners, as the ultra wide lenses(even these most expensive ones) are in no way sharp in the corners. You do loose datails but not massively, plus you get a lot more detail in the middle parts as they are interpolated down from a bigger original image.
at the moment, there are plenty who will want multi-fov creative re-croppable full-res stills or timelapse or both (without resorting to massive rectilinearizing a fisheye bounded image) being pulled from a very compact EOS FF 50mp dSLR; and not requiring Med-Fmt, with its very limited lens options: see Phil Blooms timelapse with Pentax's longish 55mm kit lensed 51mp 645z
plus, now, if one were to do lower-res 2k/4k/6.5/8k timelapse videos, one could create umpteen possible creative static or moving FOVs, panning laterally, vertically, or diagonally, and zoom in/out, all with a single lens (even without altering the direction/orientation in which way the camera is pointing)
one can place ones attention on just the composition of an already rectilinear image in the field rather than having to de-fisheye it all and compose creative crops only in post (with plenty of lost details anywhere away from center zone)
this new EF 11-24mm will be fun to use for many doing this kind of shooting
Nope, this lens is just a F/4.0 not 2.8 like the Nikon one.
I care and at least 5 more people do...
Lol. Go ask photojournalists, wedding folks, star trail dudes. People care ..
How many times have you ever heard anyone saying: Gee, I love my 14-24 f/2.8, I just wish it were wider than 14 mm ..
So far, the wides of all FF lenses was the Sigma 12-24, and it's been aroung for ages. How many people buy that instead of a 14-17 mm zoom with 2.8 ? 11 mm is super wide, and it's great that you have the option, but you dont need the option, you need f/2.8 in a 3000# UWA zoom ..
I don`t understand why people want to say that lens is better than the nikon one, first point we don't have a review yet, second point they are diferent lenses as i stated later one is F/4 and the other F/2.8. if the 2.8 is compensated by the stretch from 14 to 11mm, is a subjetctive matter more personal then real scientific, as everything has its use. But the first comment i though it was from a misinformed person, and then troll appeared...
Make your own view... maybe it's nice for you, maybe not:
This seemingly random, almost bi-polar price policy...The new 100-400 II for 2200 EUR, this 3000EUR...!?
Are they using a dart board over there...?
What is the 24-70II, then?
Entry point?...Because, if so, it was "stretched priced" when it was launched.
Specialist...? Because, if so, you better tell them they should be charging 3000EUR now.
No misolo, no...It's been more like a Ouija board exercise, the last few years.
Hmm, 2K is not that cheap for a standard zoom, and maybe Canon was trying to get a sharper lens in the hands of more people to prepare the ground for the 50MP camera that would then have been in the design process. In any case, look at that gigantic, bulbous ball of fancy glass in front of this thing, that can't be cheap to make.
Could be, could very well be...
But the overall diameter is only about 10mm more than the AF-S Nikkor 14-24mm f/2.8G ED which is also quite bulbous.
...and it costs "only" $2000...
Ouija my friend, Ouija...
Not for me... I'll stick to my 17TSE and 24TSE-II for best control on DOF.
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Friday was spent shopping and meeting up with friends, Kathy and Debby. The husband and I arrived about 7:45 and we went right to the Vintage Marketplace tents. I was really anxious to see all of the vendors who traveled to Ohio for the inaugural Vintage Marketplace at the Springfield Extravaganza. My cell phone rang off the hook, so to speak, as I tried to navigate both Kathy and Debby to an appointed meeting place. My landmark of choice was a concession stand that looked like a giant ice cream cone! Gotta love that fair food!
Here we are standing in the Nostalgia's Cottage booth, where I worked on Saturday with another blogging friend, Kathy Stantz. After introducing both girls to Kathy, we all had fun exploring her booth. Did you know that the both of them had the audacity to say that I am "bossy." I don't know why….. I just like to do things my way and give "direction" to others….. Is that being "bossy?" LOL
Over the next few days, I was able to meet up with five other Ohio bloggers- Carrie from Junque Magnet, Pam from Frippery, Jo from Jo's Second Act, Angie from Lil Raggedy Angie, and Pam from House of Hawthornes. No pics, though…. my camera got left in the car and I was too tired to run and get it. Did I mention that it was HOT? I got a great tan walking around the fairgrounds three days in a row!
Here are the girls from Nostalgia's Cottage- Kathy, Susan, and Terri- all from Mansfield, Ohio. When the show closed down on Friday afternoon, we all went to the blogger's party in the Junkmarket tent, where Sue Whitney was set up. We all had a blast eating snacks, drinking wine, and chatting with other other junkers. They are such a great bunch of gals and it was fun to work in the booth with them on Saturday!
There was "junque" galore in Nostalgia's booth. Most of the furniture was sold the first day and the girls' crafted items sold extremely well, too.
The Buckeye contingency was definitely the largest group there. We had a great time entertaining the out-of-state girls who weren't aware that Buckeyes spell out "O-H-I-O" when "Hang on Sloopy" is being played. Just hum to yourself….. "Hang on Sloopy, Sloopy hang on…. O-H-I-O! It is an official song for The Ohio State University. Not Ohio State University, but rather,The Ohio State University. Here we are spelling out "O-H-I-O." From left to right are: Kathy Stantz, Zuni Corkerton, Debby Messner, and myself. Do you see the O, the H, the I, and the last O?
It's the four Buckeye Bloggers you saw before, plus two Minnesota girls and another Ohio blogger in front of us. On the left is senior editor at Junkmarket, Lanette Lorsung, Lisa from Urban Farmhouse , and the Queen of Junk herself- Sue Whitney.
Theresa from Time Worn Interiors sponsored a give-away for several sets of free admission tickets to the Extravaganza and Vintage Market and I won! It was nice not having to pay the $12 Early Bird entry fee for the husband. I let him spend that money on my lunch, instead!
Theresa had such wonderful items in her booth. I sure do wish I had been loaded with the big bucks, because she had a couple of metal tables that were to die for!
I don't want to make this a photo heavy post, so I'll be back with more pictures later. I didn't go overboard and buy a lot of things this time. I was very selective and only purchased things that I really loved. I was bummed that I didn't get the potting bench that I wanted because I waited too long to get back to the booth, but the guy who made it said he'd be happy to custom make one for me. He's local to the area, so it will be easy to pick it up once it's done. See ya soon!
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