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Cultural and historical differences have created differences in the way mail is addressed. As the processing of mail within countries has become more centralized, these differences became the basis for the rules created by the various postal authorities around the world. (These systems and formats do not remain fixed. In just the last ten years, more than 100 changes in postal formats have occurred.)
Countries have, and retain, their own culturally accepted methods of addressing mail. Some countries have short, two- or three-line addresses. For some, the elements of an address are longer, with six or seven lines a necessity for all the address information to be included. Descriptive addresses ("in the basement next to the supermarket" or "across the street from the movie theatre") have proved to be very resistant to change when countries introduce more formal addressing systems.
Some variations do go out of use. The "inverted" format with the name of the country at the top of the address and the recipient at the bottom, common in the U.S.S.R. and some eastern European countries, has fallen out of use. (It is still seen in domestic mail in some countries there.) However, the differences between these countries have remained as the order of the lines changed but not the address elements.
Changes to addresses occur as countries modify address formats and institute postal codes to make mail processing more efficient. As this occurs, the traditional address format for a country is often standardized and simplified. Although, these specifications can create changes in common cultural practices for individual correspondence, they also institutionalize them.
Recently some countries have created new national addressing systems or significantly expanded their addressing systems. In most cases, these new systems share some elements, such as postal codes. But the most interesting aspect of these new address systems is that each is unique, different from each other and from those of other countries.


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UMass library falcon dies at age 14
The peregrine falcon that nested on the top of the Du Bois library since 2003 died on Wednesday.
The Cons of the Constant Construction
Assistant Op/Ed editor Josh Steinberg questions whether it is necessary for the campus to have nine simultaneous construction sites running and the impact it has on the campus.
Paper cranes hung from library ceiling raise awareness about breast cancer
Suspended from the library ceiling are 1,000 paper cranes that were folded by members of the Commonwealth Honors College in order to raise awareness about breast cancer.

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Saturday 16 August 1980
It was Saturday, under the sign of Leo. The US president was Jimmy Carter (Democratic).
Famous people born on this day include Robert Hardy and Emerson.
In that special week of August people in US were listening to Magic by Olivia Newton-John.
In UK The Winner Takes It All by Abba was in the top 5 hits.
Smokey and the Bandit II, directed by Hal Needham, was one of the most viewed movies released in 1980
while Men In Love by Nancy Friday was one of the best selling books.
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- RC saints: feast day of Saint Stephen I of Hungary; Saint Roch (helps against plague and skin diseases)
- USA: legal holiday in Vermont for the Battle of Bennington in 1777 (which actually took place in the state of New York)
- Palio dell'Assunta in Siena
- Eastern Orthodox: commemoration of the translation of the Acheiropoietos icon which means "Not made by hands", (also known as the Mandelion; now lost) from Edessa to Constantinople on 16 August 944
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Society of Animal Artists
Her High Four has been accepted into the Society of Animal Artists 56th Annual Exhibition at the Houston Museum of Natural Science September 23 - January 1. If you're in Houston stop by the museum and give her a high five.
Mill Dog Rescue
Mill Dog Rescue (Lily) was accepted into the prestigious National Sculpture Society 83rd Annual Exhibition at Brookgreen Gardens, SC. The exhibition runs from August 6 - October 30. It's a huge honor, and I hope that this will help raise awareness of the plight of puppy mill dogs and the need to adopt, not purchase puppies in stores or online.
Her High Four Wins Prize
Her High Four quarter life-sized won an honorable mention at the Gilcrease Museum's Collectors Reserve.
Easy Up
I'm back to riding this summer after surgery. We taught Prince to lay down so I could get on him and then he gets up. My back is better now, but this is a lot of fun to do, especially if there isn't a tree stump around for a leg up.
Going Buggy
My trainer, Stefanie Skidmore, taught my mustang Prince to drive a buggy. I wasn't able to ride a horse for six months after my surgery so I was thrilled that Prince took to driving so well. He has a lot more enthusiasm for this than having me ride him.
Hiking Again!
After years of suffering from back pain and being unable to hike, walk far, or sit for long, I got surgery with Dr Michael Rauzzino, and nine months later I feel 20 years younger. Here I am at the peak of 11,649 foot Black Mountain. Thank you Dr Rauzzino!
Clinical Canine
My artist proof of High Four is on permanent loan to the Animal Clinic of Woodland Park. That's where we adopted Brutus, and they are providing him with wonderful FREE care for the rest of his life. Placing this sculpture (which everyone is already calling Brutus, because it just seems like him, somehow) is my way of thanking Dr. Volz, Terri Collins, Donna Zinko, and the rest of the staff for showing incredible generosity and compassion to Brutus and his previous owner, Larry. Larry passed away in 2013 and we are the lucky people who get to enjoy this very special Great Dane.
Art Dog
In November 2010 the Manitou Springs Art Theatre presented a play called Art Dog based on the censoring and subsequent banishment of a life size anatomically correct Great Dane sculpture of mine, Dog Days. I don't remembering ever laughing so hard for so long. A story about it was featured on the front page of the Colorado Springs Gazette. To protect the innocent, the Great Dane in the play was replaced by a Poodle.


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text: The Rx for M&A March 2017 Print friendly page By Emily Donovan Chicago Lawyer correspondent In the last few years, there has been such a frenzy of hospitals thinking they've got to merge and get bigger that Keith R. Anderson compared it to a school dance for teenagers. "Health systems don't want to be the last person on the dance floor without a partner," said Anderson, a partner at Drinker Biddle & Reath who has been practicing in health-related strategic affiliations for about 30 years. But rushing into a relationship — or, rather, a strategic affiliation — just because all your peers are doing it isn't always a smart move. "People have been thinking about affiliation transactions many times without taking that first step and thinking about what they really need and what their objectives really are and what the possible routes are," Anderson said. There's been a boom in hospital mergers and acquisitions since the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act was enacted in 2010, according to analysis by Kaufman, Hall & Associates. He expects the upward climb to continue. In 2016, 102 transaction deals were announced across the nation. In 2015, 112 deals were consummated. Both are a big jump from the 66 deals announced in 2010. In the Chicago area, recent health system partnerships include Ingalls Health System becoming part of the University of Chicago Medicine, Elmhurst Memorial Healthcare and Edward Hospital and Health Services merging into one and Northwestern Memorial Healthcare and Centegra Health System announcing they were considering an affiliation. Meanwhile, Little Company of Mary Hospital is considering its options after it put out a request for partnership proposals in late 2016 and Advocate Health Care and NorthShore University HealthSystem's merger has been put on hold as the two health-care systems fight an antitrust lawsuit. Despite the increase in hospitals affiliating, a 2016 study conducted by ORC International that was commissioned by McKesson Health Solutions found that 60 to 78 percent of health providers surveyed are not meeting their goals to reduce administrative care costs, lower health-care costs or coordinate care. This means more hospitals and health systems are partnering up, but aren't necessarily making their health care cheaper. Like in all relationships, Anderson and other merger experts recommend hospitals know themselves and make sure their potential partners want the same things. Hospitals should date or make sure they're compatible before they set out on that dance floor together. Why all the partnerships? Until recently, health insurers paid hospitals a fee for the service rendered. Let's say, for example, that a patient needs a knee replacement. The patient has a surgery then is in recovery for some time after that. If the surgery doesn't work quite right, they might need a second surgery and more recovery. Under a fee-for-service based payment structure, an insurer would pay the hospital for the surgery and would pay the hospital again if the patient needs more surgery. "It's pretty easy to operate under that metric," said Kit Kamholz, managing director of Kaufman, Hall and Associates, a health-care consulting company based in Skokie. "If you perform a service, you get paid for it." But, after the Affordable Care Act was passed, Medicare started to roll out a values-based payment model. Around the same time, commercial insurers started using more value-based payment plans too. Under that model, the insurer might pay the hospital a bundled amount for surgery and all the necessary care for the next 90 days. If the patient needs another surgery, there's no more reimbursement coming. For a hospital to break even in a value-based payment model, the knee operation has to be cost efficient and it has to work or else the hospital might be going in the red to put the patient under the scalpel again. According to that OCR International study, value-based reimbursement will "eclipse" fee-for service payment models by 2020. As of March 2016, the payers ORC International surveyed said they were already 58 percent of the way toward full value-based reimbursement — which is a 10 percent increase from 2014. The hospitals surveyed said 50 percent of their payments are from value-based reimbursement — a 4 percent increase from 2014. That, Kamholz said, is what's motivating a lot of hospitals to re-evaluate if they can be cost-efficient on their own. While some organizations affiliating these days may still be under the kind of financial distress that have motivated selling out to a larger system in the past, more and more organizations that are financially strong are realizing they need to become part of a bigger system to adapt to the market's changing needs, he said. A fast start Attorney Chris J. Mollet was less than 45 days into his new job at Edward Hospital and Health Services when he learned Edward Hospital and Health Services was trying to become something else. Mollet, now executive vice president and general counsel of the joint Edward-Elmhurst Health, has been representing hospitals since 1979. He joined Naperville-based Edward Hospital and Health Services in August 2012 as vice president of legal services and general counsel when he found out his employer was in merger talks with Elmhurst Memorial Healthcare. It was "a fast start," Mollet said, but he knew transactions in the Chicago area had been on the upswing, so it wasn't a surprise to him to find he would be working with outside counsel to merge. The organizations' leaders knew each other and they both used some of the same consultants. Both of their facilities were fairly new. Plus, merging would allow them to build up their relationship with DuPage Medical Group, the largest physician group in the area. Mollet said a hospital interested in a merger or acquisition should do an honest SWOT self-evaluation: What are its Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities and Threats? "Looking at what that might mean for a potential affiliation, the first question should be 'Do you even need to do it?'" he said. "Or do you have the resources internally that would allow you to enhance your strengths, address your weakness and take advantage of the opportunities?" A hospital should do a similar analyses of potential partners, Mollet and Anderson said. Can that partner actually protect the organization from its threats? Anderson, who counsels health-care clients on transactions, said analysis is the first step to a successful affiliation. When he first gets involved with a client, he said he wants them to take a hard look at where they're at and then think about where they need to be in five years. Then, he said, they should set out to figure out what their options are. One possible type of affiliation would be a change of control, which would oust the governing board and give control to a bigger health system. There are also ways to keep local control but still work with another, larger system. For example, Anderson said, there are a number of health systems willing to contract out their information-technology resources and staff to a standalone community hospital. That small community hospital may need a large IT department to implement an electronic health record system, but it wouldn't need 10 to 12 full-time IT people once the electronic record is up and running. These kind of affiliations offer more than access to capital for new gadgets or constructing another building. Being part of a larger network can help a small hospital attract and retain talent. "You really need access to people who have the experience and the intellectual horsepower to be operating in this growing, sophisticated health-care system," he said. Sometimes, a hospital may call in a third-party analyst or consultant to help assess where the organization is really at and what other health systems across the nation may be interested in affiliating. That kind of controlled, competitive search usually yields the best result, Anderson said, but he doesn't like to generalize. Sometimes, a hospital's specific market, doctors, insurance and other factors may align and that by partnering with its hospital friend down the street works out well. "You do one deal, you do one deal," he said. "There's not a cookie cutter out there." Trust and antitrust What was attractive to both Edward and Elmhurst, Mollet said, was that their primary service areas across DuPage County butted up next to each other but didn't overlap. That likely helped the deal pass antitrust review, Mollet said. That test is what's stalled another intended merger in the Chicago area, this one between Advocate Health Care and NorthShore University HealthSystem. The Federal Trade Commission argued a merger between the two systems in Cook and Lake Counties, which would create the 11th-largest health system in the country, would harm competition and lead to higher prices. The FTC says the merged network would control 60 percent of the north suburban hospital market, but the health systems say the FTC wrongfully excluded some competitors in that calculation. In December 2015, U.S. District Court Judge Jorge Alonso sided with the health systems, but the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that his decision was "erroneously flawed" in October and sent the case back down to the lower court to reconsider issuing a temporary injunction stopping the merger. In a statement, Advocate and NorthShore said they believe merging is the right thing for their potential patients and therefore will move forward with the case. "We are confident that Judge Jorge Alonso made the right decision in our favor this past summer, reaffirming the competitive realities of the Chicago market," the statement says. "We look forward to a positive resolution — paving the way for an innovative care delivery model to further advance quality and lower costs." Edward and Elmhurst weren't competitors, Mollet said, just neighbors. Their affiliation could be seen as expanding their collective geography rather than establishing any kind of monopoly over an overlapping area. The hospital systems signed a letter of intent in early January 2013 and closed on the merger on June 30 that year. In that time, general counsels and outside corporate counsel drafted a letter of intent, defined a written agreement and worked through regulatory filings. "It's full employment for lawyers, that's for sure," Mollet said. Mollet said the literature suggests that in the majority of mergers prices are not necessarily reduced for customers. Only 22 percent of hospitals surveyed by OCR International last year said they were meeting their goal to reduce administrative care costs. Only 26 percent were meeting goals to lower health-care costs and only 30 percent were meeting care coordination goals. But Mollet said Edward-Elmhurst developed a 100-day plan and a three-year pro forma of what costs the organization thought could be save. "Long story short, we have overachieved in every year in the three-year pro forma in terms of what we thought we could accomplish: financial results, clinical information results, labor integrations," he said. The future Regardless of what happens on the governmental front with the Affordable Care Act under the Trump administration and a Republican Congress, Kamholz expects commercial insurers to keep moving toward value-based reimbursement. "It's good business and we think that that's going to continue," he said. Therefore, he said, he expects the increase in hospital mergers and acquisitions to keep climbing too. "I don't think that all the good work that's done around trying to reduce the cost in health care is going to get reduced," Kamholz said. Mollet agreed that, regardless of what happens at the federal government or state regulatory levels, commercial insurers are continuing to move toward value-based reimbursement. Mollet said the future of health law will be changed as millennials become the largest segment of the population and health-care adapts to their care delivery preferences. Legal issues could arise as remote-diagnosis "telemedicine" grows in popularity. If a dermatologist in Missouri uses a computer screen to diagnose and prescribe medication for the rash of a patient from Illinois, but the dermatologist isn't licensed in Illinois, there could be an issue of practicing without a license. Plus, some telemedicine isn't reimbursable by insurance companies yet. The law is always "kind of dragging its feet," Mollet said. But how dynamic the health-care industry is — and the wide breadth of legal issues it touches on — has always been what Mollet finds most satisfying in his career.


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Secrets of Nature DVD
Directed by Percy Smith
A collection of 19 short nature documentaries made by the British Instructional Films organisation during the 1920s and '30s.
The films pioneer groundbreaking techniques of slow-motion, time-lapse and microscopic photography to explore animal, plant and insect life.
Paving the way for the natural history programmes of today, the programmes reveal the quiet wonder of natural processes such as sweet peas unfurling in the sunlight, white owls swooping on their prey, sea life lurking on the ocean floor and butterflies patiently spinning their cocoons.
- Format: DVD
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- Studio: BFI
- Release date: 19/07/2010
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Men's Basketball Wins Opener Against Drexel
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- Published: 16 November 2016
- Written by JOHN SORCE | SPORTS EDITOR
The men's basketball team, coming off a 28-8 campaign a season ago and their first ever trip to the National Invitation Tournament (NIT), opened up a highly-anticipated season with a 78-65 victory over Drexel on Friday night at OceanFirst Bank Center.
"It was a weird feeling when I went out there tonight. I'm sitting there while the kids are warming up and I felt like we were just doing this a little while ago," sixth year Monmouth Head Coach King Rice said about taking the court for a game once again. "It was great to come and play our first game at home, which we haven't done before since I've been the coach here, and the buzz and energy that was in the building made it feel like it was an end of the season game. But just getting the first win is awesome and just like last year, now we get to go have some fun on the big boy's court."
Redshirt sophomore guard Micah Seaborn and senior guard Je'lon Hornbeak got off to fast starts, each connecting with 3-pointers leading into the first media timeout. Hornbeak drained another deep ball before the next media timeout, but he felt that his fast start did not transition to the remainder of the game.
"I honestly felt like I wasn't really on today," Hornbeak said. "A lot of shots that I felt like should have went in didn't but I have to trust in the work that I put in and just keep playing. There are other things I can do and no matter who's scoring, I'm happy as long as we win."
Once Monmouth took the lead after Seaborn's initial 3-pointer, they never looked back. The blue and white led by 15 at the half and led by as many as 21 in the second half before coming away with the 13 point victory.
An announced crowd of 3,738 came out to support the Hawks on opening night, including a jam-packed student section of over 1,100 students. Rice credits his players for making that happen over the past year.
"I have to give these guys the credit. We've talked about playing in front of sold-out arenas and we feel like we have the best fans in the world representing us. They're loud and our student section is incredible. But there were nights when it wasn't full so it's good that we got that taken care of last year and now we have the team that we have and people should come because they will be a lot of exciting nights in our arena."
Four Hawks scored double-figures and were led by Seaborn, who finished with 17. Senior guard Justin Robinson had 15 and Hornbeak had 13, while senior center Chris Brady finished with 14 and eight rebounds. Thirteen Hawks saw action including the debuts of redshirt freshmen guard Louie Pillari and forward Mustapha Traore and freshman center Sam Ibiezugbe. Nine (Brady, Robinson, Seaborn, Hornbeak, Pillari, senior guard Josh James, junior guard Austin Tilghman, senior guard Collin Stewart, and sophomore forward Diago Quinn) of them saw at least ten minutes of game action.
Monmouth will travel to Syracuse, NY on Friday, Nov. 18 and take on a Syracuse team that advanced to the Final Four of the NCAA Tournament a season ago. Tip-off at the Carrier Dome will be at 7 p.m.
A victory over the Orangemen would be yet another impressive task for a team that has made a habit of such things, and Seaborn feels that confidence that was gained a season ago will help this year's team handle any opponent.
"I definitely feel that it helps us, especially knowing that we went out last year and won some of those big games on the road, so I feel that it's going to help a lot of our guys knowing that we can play with any team this year," Seaborn said. "All of our guys are really confident going in and last year we were hoping to win. This year we expect to win."
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National Movement for the Liberation of Azawad (MNLA)
The National Movement for the Liberation of Azawad (MNLA) is a predominantly Tuareg separatist movement that seeks the independence or increased autonomy of northern Mali, which Tuaregs call 'Azawad' and claim as their homeland.
The MNLA is the latest in a succession of separatist movements in northern Mali dating back to at least 1916. In its current form, the MNLA formed in 2011, and has significant representation from Tuaregs who had travelled in the mid-2000s to Libya and joined government militias there, returning to Mali in 2011 fully armed after the fall of Muammar Gaddafi. Leaders of the movement include Bilal Ag Achérif as secretary general, and Mohamed Djeri Maiga as vice president.
The group is secular and ethnic in nature, though during the 2012 occupation of northern Mali it briefly allied itself with Islamist militias like Ansar Dine and MUJAO in an effort to secede from Mali.


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If crime statistics are any indication, something happens at the age of 17.
That's when violent crime arrests spike, according to data from the Savannah-Chatham Metropolitan Police Department. And it gets worse for 18-year-olds and 19-year-olds.
"What we have is group of young people who are getting into a culture of criminality and that peaks in their early 20s," said City Manager Michael Brown during the city's quarterly town hall meeting.
Savannah Mayor Otis Johnson dedicated this town hall meeting to juvenile crime, describing the problem and talking about solutions. There was plenty of description during the two-hour meeting, but what the specific solutions might be is unclear.
Johnson said he wants to implement a platform addressing youth issues that the Savannah City Council adopted last year, to keep working with agencies that deal with young people and juvenile justice.
But the town hall meeting mostly addressed the problems. In 2004 there were 3,108 juvenile offenses, up from 2,451 the year before. The audience heard about the problems from Jacqueline Elmore, executive director of the Chatham-Savannah Youth Futures Authority; Rob Rosenbloom, deputy commissioner of operations from the Georgia Department of Juvenile Justice, and Chatham County Juvenile Court Judge Leroy Burke.
Johnson spoke of three things the community can do:
Embrace the concept of prevention.
Pursue early intervention.
Suppress the crime.
Wednesday's town hall meeting was uncharacteristic, in that most of the time was spent on speeches from officials. Residents had less than an hour to approach the podium and speak their minds.
"Our young men and women don't see a light at the end of the tunnel," said Kewanna Bush, who runs a "Scared Straight" type of program. "All they see is drugs and thugs."
Other people talked about having more parental involvement, the need for more youth mental-health resources and better quality recreational opportunities.
But little of the talk was new. Practically since Johnson and the rest of this council took office in 2004, they have been talking about juvenile crime.
The mayor's Public Safety Task Force had a committee that focused on juvenile crime. That committee issued recommendations last year, but few have been implemented, and the committee now is inactive.
For at least the last two years, the Youth Futures Authority has presented figures showing that juvenile crime was a growing problem.
Last year, the Savannah-Chatham Metropolitan Police Department came up with the Safe Streets-Safe Kids initiative that stepped up truancy and curfew enforcements.
A year ago, the Savannah City Council passed a resolution supporting a platform that calls for "improving outcomes for children and youth."
Johnson went over that platform at Wednesday night's meeting. Despite an obvious lack of progress in fighting juvenile crime despite the dialogue over the past few years, Johnson is following that platform.
"Hold media events, community forums and site visits to local programs serving children, youth and families as a way of keeping their needs in the spotlight," the platform states.
The night ended with Johnson acknowledging that the city does not have an answer to the youth crime problem right now. It took his neighbor, Elizabeth Taylor, to elicit that from him.
"What can we do to curb the crime in Savannah for these children?" she asked from the podium. "What can we do? Because it's terrible."
"We've got to start by praying for them," Johnson said. "Then we've got to get more competent parents. Then the system needs to get through to the child. My answer to you tonight is: We don't have an answer right now," he said.
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George - Three boys from Oudtshoorn High School have been arrested on statutory rape charges after a sex video did the rounds at the school. "The three - respectively 16, 17 and 18 years old - appeared in the magistrate's court after the parents of a 15-year-old girl laid a charge of statutory rape against them," said police spokesperson Captain Louis Visser on Monday.Visser said the boys were arrested at the school on Friday morning. "They appeared in court on the same day and were released in the custody of their parents. They will appear again on Wednesday."It is not clear when the alleged incident took place," he said."It came to light after a sex video of the incident did the rounds at the school and the teachers got to hear of it. The girl's parents were immediately informed about the incident."Child pornographyVisser said police were also investigating a charge of manufacturing and distributing child pornography. "The child who made the video is known to the police. He will appear in court soon."There were two similar incidents in May and September this year - one on the premises of the school boarding house and another at the De Jager sport complex."We want to bring it to the children's attention that statutory rape is a serious charge. Even if the girl gave permission, it remains a criminal offence.""Children are warned that the distribution of the video is also a criminal offence and that distribution should be reported immediately to the police," said Visser.It appeared as though the pupils involved in the incident were all at school on Monday. The 18-year-old is in matric.School principal Johan Claassen did not want to comment on Monday.Western Cape education department spokesperson Paddy Attwell said the department was very worried about the incident. "The department will follow the case carefully. The law has to take its course."
Question is who will the parents blame? The school not giving the right sex education or themselves for not being a positive influence on their kids lives. Most probably the Parents of all 3 accused are both working and the kids have free roam to do what they want!
So what are you saying? It's the parents fault because they are working. These "kids" are all big enough to make informed decisions and therefore accept the consequences. I say this of course assuming that all parties involved gave consent.
No it's not the parent fault for working an providing. But what i'm trying to get at is we starting to live in a world where SOME not all parents move the parenting roles to other parties and presume they will educate the kids correctly.
Where it is the parent's primary role to guide and teach these young minds in the way of life but passes the responsibility.
I mean kids go to school they get punished for not doing their work what happens the parents goes to the school and gives the school grieve for disciplining their kids.
But it's sad to say we need to look at our roots and really think hard what our responsibility is as parents really. And what control we hand out to others, and if we do what's your input in it do you just accept it as they know what they doing or do we have an active role as parents in our kids live and the institutions we trust our kids care too.
@aarchaic: why would the parents have to blame anybody except themselves?
It is a parent's responsibility to not only explain the act of sex in a stable and morally acceptable relationship but also to live according to those values.
This will equip their offspring to mature into morally functional and upright citizens, living a healthy and moral life.
On the issue of consent, the LAW stipulates an age prior to which no child may give consent for any sexual act.
My opinion is that this age should be raised to at least 18.
@ ArchAngel I've seen this before and heres the prove...
"Three schoolgirl sisters have given birth aged 12, 14 and 16. Natasha(16), the oldest, Jade(14) and Jemma(12), the youngest, are reported to receive £600 a week in benefits.
Their mother Julie Atkins, 38, who said the girls were too young and had ruined their lives, blamed schools for providing poor quality sex education. "
We better get used to this kind of thing. This is the age of IT and stop pretending some of you people on here are Angels. If she gave her consent and allowed the filming of this, she is as guilty as the boys. It is up to parents to teach the kids what is decent sex and what is sleaze. But sex they are going to have, if you like it or not.
both sides parents have their share of responsibility in this. But above all, the system, the general system in the society is to blame. too much freedom is given to the kids. in SA today, a child can easily take the parents to court because they tried to discipline him/her, all that in the name of child's right, human rights. We are real people, not numbers, and the society needs to be able to educate its children without fear.
that referenced article as "proof" was dated 2005 so it is barely relevant today BUT one must admit that the average UK and Irish teenager is way more advanced on a social and academic level than the majority of S'africans.
If one also looks at the lack of resources available for the S'african children, the problem suddenly becomes even greater.
Now add to that the fact that there are way more pregnant children in South Africa than in the mentioned countries further North, then suddenly the article loses even more of it's relevance HOWEVER, if we can agree on one thing it should be that irrespective of where it happens, CHILDREN do not have the required skills and life experience to make decisions regarding sexual intercourse and as such WE NEED TO PROTECT THEM.
I cannot believe the amount of people that posted comments which seem to indicate that, based on a child's consent, it is OK to have sex with them.
That is some sick, pedophile sounding stuff which does explain quite a bit, though.
I just noticed this article on your News24:
And is the Cape not the Child Rape Capital of South Africa?
And South Africa the Rape Capital of the World?
So if the Adults are raping children, and I'll bet most of them are parents, is it no wonder that:
a) They make statements on your News24 that seem to support underage sex and
b) Their children have grown into rapists as well and
c) they justify it by saying "It's OK, our victims gave their consent to be raped."
Sound about right?
People, it is not acceptable to agree with underage sex, it is just WRONG.
this is flipping disgusting! these "kids" make me sick!
so is the girl being charged or will she walk away to continue this act with the next group of guys?
a stupid comment from a stupid person, Statutory rape is statutory rape, not old enough to make an informed consent. Idiot.
@ashraaf well it look like the majority of people think you're the idiot actually
Ashraaf is correct. The law is the law. And this is of course assuming that the girl DID actually give permission! I think all these kids need a blooming good hiding and then some long term counselling.
Ashraaf: either it's rape or it's not. At 15 while you might not understand ALL the consequences, the act was still done with her permission (if it wasn't, then that is obviously a completely different story). By the sounds of things, she was as willing as the group of boys to participate and therefore she should not be let off the hook. It's about time the same kind of charges that are laid against illegal distributors of pornography are laid against kids who think it's funny to pass around home-made videos of sexual acts. In fact, all of these kids should be nail for child porn because even though they were willing participants, child porn is what they're developing at the end of the day.
Further more, there really is no hope for society at all if this is the kind of thing kids get up to at that age. I don't actually care who's to blame but I know for one that I will never wish a life in this world on ANY child.
Will the girl be charged with what?
@ mark. There is a law (old, but still can be used) whereby she can be charged with being underage and having sex. Not as taken as seriously as a stat rape charge.
@b1nd3r : You have a very good point... as you are possibly aware, there are NO legislations in place to classify cases of rape against men. The point you make is a very good one as i believe that this "girl" has been labeled the victim... which is a huge misrepresentation... Will she also be trialed as a juvenile participating in child porn?!?! I say she should stand trial together with the 3 "boys"... One thing is for certain, that there is a lack of legislation to deal with these kinds of crimes... and a false "victim" scenario which would arise time and time again, regardless of the state of mind of the "victims"...
Women are only able to grasp the consequences of their actions when they are around 25 years old. The same goes for men, although I would put our age at 28. If you want to talk age of consent, I say make it these.
@claudevn...........I agree Claude. In this age of kids sending each other nude pictures, action will have to be taken. This is child porn, end of story. Can you imagine what a field day paedophiles are going to have?
I don't think she would have told her parents if she was wrong.
Well actually, since all but one of the boys is under the age of consent, perhaps the girl vcould be charged with statutory rape as well!!!
Its about time parents start doing something, taking the boys to court is definitely the rite thing to do- and if the girl "gave consent" it just mite teach her that there are consequences to your actions! Kids are board- and alone they spend most of there lives with "friends" so i guess filling the time " getting affection" elsewhere.. is what we are forcing them to do..WAKE UP PARENTS!
the girl is equally at fault! this is just disgusting!
Another Stupid comment from and equally stupid person. You need to start looking at your own values and beliefs.
Ashraaf, seems like you must practise what you preach >
@Ashraaf - why is it a stupid comment? She is not a baby. At 15 years of age, you know the difference between right and wrong. If she went along with it willingly, then she should definitely share the blame.
Agree completely. I'm actually very upset that only the boys got charged. What do the boys have that make them more responsible for all of this than the girl?!!
times have changed, what is up with these little rascals? in my high school, just the thought of sleeping with a girl or even if I dreamt about it, I would get a serious ass whooping from my grandmother.dont blame the school its the parents that need to be blamed because they dont teach their kids morals, they expect the schools to raise their kids for them...parents need to take more responsibility otherwise soon the schools will be manufacturing child ponography for sale and distribution.
Your school must have been so exciting (...and why would you want to tell your grandma what you've been dreaming? That's so f'ed up). Stop treating teenagers like toddlers... these kids probably know more of where to find what than you will ever do. Believe me, they know full well what's wrong and what's right. Sometimes wrong just seem so right. It's called the battle of the hormones. Cheerio and condolences to the Mrs.
The schools are powerless as discipline is non-existent. We live in a society where the "Wrong" have more rights than the RIGHT. The issue is that children today are overindulged and parents are too busy "appeasing children's wants" as opposed to their needs. The kids need a bloody good hiding. Discipline and moral guidance. Yes all of them including the girl should be charged. The girls consent does not mitigate the issue of being illegal and morally corrupted.
It all down to disiplin and education, if you dont have that THIS is the result
Whats makes this absolutely disgusting is that they Sent the video around the school! But at least the video helped Bring the situation to the teachers attention.
Poor education system and the ANC government's view of no discipline again children is paying dividents now. Must say that the general impression I got from the report suggests that the sex issue was more like a little orgy. All the kids participated and enjoyed it. Says a lot about parental guidance as well in the new age era we are living in.
its clear what they want to be when they grow up.
I think it is worth mentioning that this is a PRIVATE school and the government (not the ANC) has no jurisdiction in its affairs, so before you let your fingers run amok on your keyboard... THINK and if you can't think... best you keep your fingers to yourself ...
@Thulebona it is not a private school, it's a government school actually. get your facts straight dude. just saying.
@ Thulebona. Got nothing to do with public or private schools you moron. It is all about the general collapse of society's morals and standards under the new education system and government policies. Can't say leadership - because there is none. Maybe you should go back to school, private school in your case. Just maybe you will learn to read with a bit more insight in future. You are so political/party blind.
A while ago i wrote that advertising paid a huge role in shaping young minds, we still bombard these young minds with messages from every media, and then we wonder why discipline doe'nt hold up.This is just the tip of the iceberg, these kids were dumb enuff to record themselves. The breakdown of the nucleus family and its attached moral degeneration is another key contributor in this situation. Schools rightly have no role in discipline so the blame is largely the parents.
The girl will get off scott-free. Sad to say,I blame the parents here, You should have sat your daughters down and taught them right from wrong. Now before you ppl start slandering me, I am a mother to a 23 yr old male, and even though he is sexualy active he knows what's wrong and whats right, that said and done I was a rape victim at age 14 by my own father, and do know it could happen rather quickly.That sd & done what she did was very very WRONG. What wld she do should she have fallen pregnant? Her FREE life wld be over.
Shelley the boy are much older than her, and they knew what they did constitutes to statatory rape. Lets not get Sexwale mentallity and say, they are young and can not be held responsible. It is exactly this kind of thinking that creates people that THINK they can do anything and get away with it! I say make an example of them all. Even the girl. The fact that they distributed the video and that they are older should count against them. The girl is not blameless but she has the law on her side. As she is under age she could not have given concent.
Blame it on the Government and it's Liberal policies, an equally sophisticated constitution in and unsophisticated society. Too much porn on TV, magazines etc....and lastly lack of proper education.
Ashraaf you are clearly the idiot, thinking that the government is to blame. I was born in South Africa, and raised in South Africa. I've seen porn on eTV, i've seen porn in magazines, and I have never committed statutory rape.. Children are children, they do stupid things, not because they are uneducated, but because they are children. the problem lies with them. my parents never gave me the birds and bees stories, and i never did anything wrong, because i have a brain and a sense of judgement. The girl in this case is also to blame, and should be punished ..
I think you need some proper education
Humans are over-rated, we need robots!
Another stupid comment from and equally stupid person ...........
Ashraaf -- DID YOU VOTE FOR THEM -- I DIDN'T
http://www.news24.com/MyNews24/YourStory/Abuse-against-women-and-children-20110217 -
In this letter to the President I highlighted the fact that, if abuse and rape is not being stopped in this country we are going to get a generation of rapists, and my heart breaks to this already beginning to come to fullfilment....
Concerning: The abuse against women an children
Yours, the abused and forgotten ones -
Kevin Gordon Richard Williams and the unnamed.
I pray:
Father God, I come to you in the name of Jesus and I pray that you would touch whoever reads this letter, in a way only you can. I pray that this letter would break the barriers, the hurt, the emotional as well as physical scars that abuse is installing in our communities. I pray for radical change in our leaders thoughts on abuse. I pray for our President that you would give him the courage to stand tall and remove all burdens from his shoulder, so he can make the correct decisions in this matter. I thank you. Amen.
I hope the girl will be charged too? Statuatory rape is defined as having sex with a person younger that 16. One of the boys were 16 and therefore was probaly only months away from falling into the same category. Do we "grow" up in a matter of months when we are at that age? This girl gave consent and should also be held accountable as should the rest of the boys. Mainstream media and the availaibility of pornograpy has created a culture that group sex is "cool" to do. Better parenting and paying attention to your kid's behaviour would have prevented this. Our lifestyles create these situations where our children have to deal with grown up issues at a very young age without guidance. The only thing that this situation will teach the girl is that if you blame someone else you can get away with murder. It is our responsibility as parents to teach responsibility to our children and the acceptance of consequences. All of them should be charged.
actually, it's 16 for girls 18 for boys... so two of the boys were under the age of consent... I don't think it's fair that they get charged and not her
Why do we act as though this is a new phenomenon? These days kids are far more sexually aware than we were as kids when our rampaging hormones left us very confused but even then girls were having underage sex normally with a guy much older. I was in school with a number of such kids and it was no secret that they were bumping uglies with someone! The unlucky ones got pregnant.
If we, as parents, do not want our kids to be sexually active at a young age we need to educate them in more than just the birds and the bees which they already know about based on tv programmes screened. We need to tell them what is acceptable to do and what is not acceptable to do when those rampaging hormones start getting too much to deal with.
My parents both worked when I was at school and I managed to survive my teenage years without engaging in sex, so why can't kids these days do the same? They want all the experiences of being an adult when, intellectually, they are totally unable to make the right choices. That is when a good relationship between a parent and a child steps in because that is when the child will feel comfortable enough to approach the parent and discuss ways to deal with those urges.
But that said, there will always be kids who are not able to be controlled by their parents. I think the majority of parents do the best they can trying to get the tree to grow straight and true but sometimes all their endeavours will still result in a crooked tree.
Honestly Marion... When we reach 40, does it really become that much easier to make the right choices? Kids are allowed to join the army and die for us when they are 16, but otherwise they can't fool around sexually, generally lack discretion and are viewed by many as semi retarded? What's that all about? Many kids are simply more wise at 15 than some of use at 50. By trying to control them, you either suck the soul out of them or you create a chronic rebel.
All these self-righteous people - prudes in a country which is known as the Rape Capital - this story is just about randy teenagers doing what they always do; a mountain out of a molehill.
These are kids and kids do stupid things. This is a very good example of a stupid thing. All this judgmental moralising is kind of silly.
I think it was made at school...read the article properly
" one on the premises of the school boarding house and another at the De Jager sport complex."
The days of children (or any one for that matter) fearing the law is long gone. Sadly the children will have to face the facts that they committed a crime. The days of children fearing parents have also long passed. I see it happens more often that parents fear the children. This is an absolute shock even allowing the matric boy to write his finals. They should be in prison and pay for the crime they committed. And since when should a 15 year old even consider having sex?
Sorry folks but I could be stirring here.., was this a violent act? Did the 15yr old girl object or consent to the sexual act? If she consented and did the dirty with all three of these guys then she too should be in the crap..!! If you are spreading your legs at that age then you are clearly aware that you are underage and must face the consequences.
@vdwjasper...I am a bit confused by your comment that we send 16 year old kids to the army. In South Africa the admission age is from 18 to 22.
Perhaps you know lots of kids who are mature enough to make informed decisions about alcohol use, sexual activity and its potentially life threatening consequences etc., but I don't. They are still just kids in most ways. I truly believe the majority of kids do not think further than their hormones when making decisions about sex that can result in unwanted pregnancies and disastrous sexually transmitted diseases.
Marion. It could be 18 today (google it if you want) - but it used to be 16 when I left school. These days the army can only accommodate so many. Just to get back to the sex, alcohol, etc: Show me the stats that says that age makes you better equipped to control your hormones and handle your liquor. You truly believe... Yeah well tell that to my grandfather who left school at 16, married not long after, yet became one of the most successful farmers in the Northern Cape. SA kids are mentally soft, and we are doing it to them. I'm not saying let them do whatever they please, I'm saying afford them more respect. They are young adults at that age already, don't treat them like idiots.
Wow, I've read quite a few of the comments. As much as I think its a good idea for kids at that age not to get down and dirty the reality is that it happens all the time all over SA and the world.
Punishing them through the court of law does not help the situation.
We live in a sex fuelled society, not just in SA but everywhere, and sex sells, weather its in movies, fashion or disneys teeny bopper shows.
With the kids being exposed to all those outside influences I'm afraid that teenagers are gonna bump and grind.
Its really up to the parent of the kids to try and limit their exposure to the crazy bad influences out there and to bring up there kids in the way that they know shagging at 15 is not a good idea and they should rather wait until they are at least 16 ;), no really just wait until they are more mature and realise the implications and risks involved in having a sexual relationship with anyone.
To label what happened disgusting is not going to rectify anything. You have to look at all the outside elements which lead to things like this happening.
slaan hulle gatte man! bring lyfstraf terug en moer hulle...en dan sluit hulle toe vir 'n rukkie in die tjoekie met baie jare gemeenskapsdiens.
they addicts...they need a m#erse hidding
@Suspook - you're not hanging out on the streets of New York... kindly refrain from referring to females of any age as b*tches...
I blame the parents!!! They don't care what their children are doing! Too soft!
No-ones to blame, kids will be kids - and considering the stage of technology.. whose surprised? This is not a big deal at all, the fact that it was caught on film gives it the limelight!
Ja, um... not a big deal? If it was your daughter on that film?? Still not a big deal??
@vdwjasper: The crux of the problem is the junk that kids are allowed to watch these days, they are influenced by what they see in the world around them. Parents need to be more strict about age restrictions on movies and be more active in their child / childrens lives.
These days a lot of parents don't enforce age restrictions on the films their kids watch, and if they do it is nothing more than a "Don't watch that!" I used to get the hiding of a lifetime for disobeying my parents, and you know what - it was a GOOD thing. I grew up not only knowing what is wrong and right - but believing in those moral values myself.
Saying that it is just a battle of hormones is like saying there's nothing that can be done and kids are just gonna be like that during their teens. Bull! I am not saying that I was a saint, but I had a bloody good idea where the line should be drawn. Why? Cause my parents taught that to me - they were involved in my life - and yes at the time I hated it - but as I grew older I realized the value of the lessons taught and advice that was given to me by my parents.
Some parents these days seem to be too busy to spend time with their kids. Instead the kid gets wads of cash instead of affection and time - and then the parents are surprised when their kid tuns out a "little terrorist". What do you expect? Kids need love discipline(Corporal punishment if the situation merits it), affection and parents need to be involved in their children's lives. End of Story!
I understand your sentiments, but never say no one has told you this: to continue today with this little game of socialistic control does the child no good in the modern society (except maybe for the natural introverts who will someday choose a profession with minimal human contact). We were afforded the luxury of sheltering our children in the weird world of apartheid SA. That fake haven no longer exists. It's tough in the real world and the lack of mental hardness of the younger generation is already plain to see. That is because in SA 18 year old men and woman are treated like toddlers by a naive generation of Know-it-alls. Monkinsane, you can keep on repressing the person inside your son/daughter (which may or may not lead to self destruction as soon as he/she is afforded total freedom... or maybe cause serious maladjustment problems) - but I will treat my children as if what they think, believe, or do, carries weight. Yes, we as parents and teachers have an obligation to facilitate the learning process (of course morals too), but we should also be mindful to allow the child to grow, make mistakes and feel the consequences of their errors. At 15 these children knew the boundaries full well. They chose to disregard. For that, they should receive (a) punishment, sure. IMHO the shame of it is almost punishment enough. Why destroy their lives over this?
vdwjasper... "but I will treat my children as if what they think, believe, or do, carries weight." I assume that this means that you don't have kids yet? Wouldn't it be better to say 'what my kids think, believe, or do will/does carry weight' rather than 'as if' which sounds like you don't really believe what they think, believe or do does carry weight?
If you don't have kids yet, let's speak again after they pass age 13...
Marion, I'm not sure what you are on about. I do have a child - young yet - but I had made up my mind long before his birth. Hence the "will". Also, I am fully aware of the rebellious nature of teens. I will post again in a few years time to give you feedback on whether or not my hypothesis bore fruit.
Scarey to think this is the future of this country. No moral or savvy. THE END IS NEAR
The girl needs to be "charged" just the same as the boys. She participated in the making of this video, and most probably also distributed it.
"once a porn a time "
It all starts at home.... Follow every criminal case and show me otherwise....
The law is most contradictory. Girls as young as 14 years are allowed to receive birth control drugs and abortions without adult consent - a clear indication that they are already sexually active. So what steps are being taken to uphold the law of statutory rape in these instances, and how does the George School incident compare with the Country's sex laws for children. I am confused.
The reality is that teenagers have been doing this for ages....
We were good wholesome kids in the 80's and virtually all of us had had sex of some sort by 15 or 16....no big deal...
The Statutory Rape laws are there to protect the innocent or non-consenting....given that all apparently consented, the charges will most likely be dropped.
The difference here is that it was recorded and distributed...which is a criminal offence.....but again, given that it was a minor that recorded it and all apparently consented to it....this charge will most likely be dropped....end of story....
This would happen whether or not they had caring or present parents or decent sex education....those that disagree are living in fools paradise.
Get over it....this is only a big deal because the papers picked up on it and a whole bunch of Adults couldn't help themselves to see what this sex story was all about...it's only human nature...end of story.
I do not think we can blame anyone thing for the reason this type of crimminality and behaviour is happening. Bored, unsupervised children, TV, Video games, uninvolved parents - especially absent fathers for boys, the violent sexuallaly charged times we live in, lack of self esteem, trying to fit in etc etc. The list could go on and on.
I think kids now days get enough sex education from the t.v and their cell phones.I say slat hulle gatte and lets move on.
that article was dated 2005 so it is barely relevant today BUT one must admit that the average UK and Irish teenager is way more advanced on a social and academic level than the majority of S'africans.
If one also looks at the lack of resources available for the S'african children, the problem suddenly becomes even greater.
Now add to that the fact that there are way more pregnant children in South Africa than in the mentioned countries further North, then suddenly the article loses even more of it's relevance HOWEVER, if we can agree on one thing it should be that irrespective of where it happens, CHILDREN do not have the required skills and life experience to make decisions regarding sexual intercourse and as such WE NEED TO PROTECT THEM.
I cannot believe the amount of people that posted comments which seem to indicate that, based on a child's consent, it is OK to have sex with them.
That is some sick, pedophile sounding stuff which does explain quite a bit, though.
I am in High School Oudtshoorn and no1 has seen the video that has apparently been making its way around the school...
There are over 700 children in the school and now just because 4 of them did something they werent suppose to do, You guys are trying to break us down?? I Hope people judge you like you are judging us.
STRUISIE Trots
*Per laboram adastra*
I am in High School Oudtshoorn and no1 has seen the video that has apparently been making its way around the school...
There are over 700 children in the school and now just because 4 of them did something they werent suppose to do, You guys are trying to break us down?? I Hope people judge you like you are judging us.
STRUISIE Trots
*Per laborem adastra*
Its South Africa people. We live in a pool of moral vomit. Society in general in SA is disgusting. You always have to watch your back and most people around you are monsters. For our children to grow up with good morals it is vitally important for parents to educate their children on the evil they WILL face everyday in SA and how to identify it and deal with it. Also very important to teach you kids to choose their friends and people they associate with and not the other way round. Teach them to surround themselves by good people and I don't mean that "naughty little Johnny" that wouldn't hurt a fly but is mischievous is a bad person. We all still believe that world is full of good. We turn a blind eye to how evil it has become and by playing dumb we make ourselves vulnerable to influence by evil and also attack by it in the forms of murder, rape, hijacking, robbery, assault etc. Start getting pro active people. Teach your kids that most of their school colleagues are probably bad people and they should be careful. And spend time with your kids to find out what they are up to at school and cultivate and open honest relationship with your kids so they don't lie to you. Be your kids parent first but also his/her friend.
You can not blame the teachers on this. You can not blame the parents on this, you can not blame the kids on this, you can not blame the police force on this, you can not blame the govement on this, you can not blame the comunity on this, you can only blame no body but take the these boys and lock them up, send them for slavery duties. let them cover the e-toll fees.
Sickening. To what extent was the girl coerced into giving her consent? Bullied and threatened into it, perhaps. The girl is not to blame, she's too young - she was taken advantage of, and humiliated, and then some have the gall to say she should be punished. She's the victim here, dunderheads, she's been punished enough. The thugs who raped her should be publicly shamed and expelled, and face whatever other punishment the law deems necessary.


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Ian Templeton | Chairman
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Roy Davies | Finance Director
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Clive Duebel | Director of Industrial Solutions
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HAHAHA well that just proves that this clan isn't run by nubs
Definition of NUB!
Posted 12 April 2011 - 04:45 PM
Posted 12 April 2011 - 05:04 PM
Posted 12 April 2011 - 05:44 PM
A nub is someone who's worse than a nab and a noob.
Following that..
N -> Noobs
U -> Use
B -> Bazooka
god.. how i hate nubtubes..
Posted 12 April 2011 - 08:50 PM
Mistard=epic nub...
Posted 13 April 2011 - 04:11 AM
define: Nub
Newbie is a slang term for a newcomer to an Internet activity, for example online gaming. It can also be used to indicate an individual inexperienced in any other activity. It can have derogatory connotations, but is also often used for descriptive purposes only, without a value judgment.
define: noob
A newb or newbie; refers to the idea that someone is new to a game, concept, or idea; implying a lack of experience. Also, in some areas the word noob can mean someone is obsessed with things
define: newb
A newbie; someone that is new at a game, or has a new character
define: newbie
a new, inexperienced player in an online multi-player game.
Posted 13 April 2011 - 05:53 AM
So a nub is a beginner? I thought that nubs always remained nubs...
Googles Defintion's
Edited by SunLight, 13 April 2011 - 05:53 AM.
Posted 13 April 2011 - 06:20 AM
Posted 13 April 2011 - 04:30 PM
official definition: a internet acronym, similar to "noob". HOWEVER, whilst a NOOB is someone who is lame/idiotic because he is new, a NUB is someone who has had the opportunity to learn something new, but never did, and is therefore idiotic/stupid.
worse than a n00b. a nub is someone who persistently makes poor decisions. and is in general terms an idiot. only the nub is unaware of their state of nubness, nubs can be easily identified, as nubness is an incurable and obvious affliction.
i vote that the nub is...
Posted 13 April 2011 - 07:33 PM
Posted 13 April 2011 - 08:46 PM
Speedfact is in a league all his own, thats how noob he is. But mist...my god mist, what have you done?
I thought Speedfact was the biggest noob, but Mist just won the 1st place.
Posted 14 April 2011 - 10:10 AM
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