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Hi everyone,
My wife and I have decided we want to fulfill a dream and spend a year somewhere in Europe with our 3 daughters. We plan to do this in a few years when the girls are 12, 8 and 8 respectively. I can work remotely for my employer in the United States, and my wife will try to find work. The girls will spend a year in school wherever we go. So, the big question is-- where should we go? Below are some considerations and we would so appreciate input from others:
1) Language - we live in close proximity to Montreal, and travel there often. Since we are doing this we feel we should all learn a language while we are at it. So, French does make the most sense. We would start language classes at home 1-2 years before we left so we had a good foundation. To me, this means we limit ourselves to France and perhaps Switzerland or Belgium.
2) Daily life - we are looking for affordability (which makes me think Switzerland won't be the best option). We would rent our home and then seek to rent a furnished apartment/home wherever we go. With the girls going to school, we would need to consider public v. private schools, which likely may depend on cost and also where we end up. Ideally, I'd prefer a small city with good schools which allows us to live in the heart of the action where the girls could walk to school or have easy public transport, and I could work from home but be able to walk for work supplies, printing, coffee, etc.
3) Skiing - we love to ski and living in Europe I feel the girls would be blown away, so I'm hoping for ski access that is accessible not only for weekends but for me to break away every once in a while for a quick day on the slopes
4) Beauty - we want to live in a beautiful place, obviously.
5) Safety - first and foremost, I want my family to be safe, and for the girls to have a welcoming and full and amazing experience in school and in recreation.
So, some initial thoughts I had were Lausanne, Bern, Geneva, Marseilles, Toulouse, and Lyon. I'm admittedly doing this not based on much more than the language consideration, geography, consideration of being able to get into and out of a major airport (as I anticipate having to travel back to the States every 8 weeks or so for roughly one week), and just overall fee.
So, where should we go and why??
Thank you so much for your time!
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1 Year in Europe with Family
Hi everyone,
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Sounds like a wonderful plan. I am not sure this is the right forum to begin your research, but here is my personal take on possible snags if you decide to live in France for one year.
You will need long-term visas for stay beyond a 90-days.
Check into your tax obligations in France. I believe they consider you fiscally resident if you spend 183 days per year in the country. France taxes worldwide income, but there is a tax treaty with the US that provides some help with that up to a certain dollar amount.
You need to inquire at the French consulate nearest your home. And then you should probably get expert advice.
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If you're American citizens your first issue, as I understand it, will be visas, not language. For Schengen counties the rule is 3 months (90 days?) in 6 months. Other non-Schengen countries may have different rules.
There may be options other than entering as a tourist but you should know before you start making what you believe are concrete plans.
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>> I can work remotely for my employer in the United States, and my wife will try to find work.<<
Are you dual citizens? Doesn't sound like it. If not, sorry but it ain't going to happen without a long term visa . . . and if you get visas you most likely won't be able to work remotely and your wife definitely won't be able to work locally.
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Check Grenoble, France.
Terrific scenery, area has jobs, ski resorts at 2 hours, lakes nearby, frenchspeaking, not big city but a city that has it all.
Belgium has no ski resort, obviously, if you choose Belgium I'd go to Namur or join the many Brits in Waterloo, in the suburbs of Bruxelles.
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Visas will be a big issue for you - both in terms of being able to stay that long and in terms of whether you are allowed to work (even remotely) and whether you wife will be allowed to work. Spend some time researching the visa issue before you go any father.
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<<So, the big question is-- where should we go?>>
No, as already noted by many, the big question is, how will you manage to get a long-term visa?
And yes, there will be tax consequences, no matter where your income comes from, if you live in France. Dual taxation is alive and well for many people, including those working remotely with clients from other countries, including the USA. And your wife looking for work in France is going to be almost impossible even with a long-term visa, unless she can provide a unique service that no resident of France or the EU can provide.
So before you go wondering about where would be a good place to live, get in touch with the consulates of countries you might like to inhabit and find out if you can actually do this. You might start by going to the consulate websites, which are usually quite comprehensive.
Good luck. It's a great dream, but not one even remotely easy to achieve.
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It sounds like a wonderful plan. Have you thought of homeschooling and moving from country to country, rather than staying put? The world is full of nomadic travelers who do just that. My own family is planning a round-the-world trip beginning next spring. I'll continue managing my various websites and online businesses and visas won't be an issue. You could use airbnb to stay in actual homes, rather than in hotels.
There are many, many families with kids the same age as yours. To rephrase one commenter, "It's a great dream, and is completely doable with some tweaks."
Good luck!
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>> Have you thought of homeschooling and moving from country to country, rather than staying put? <<
As long as they don't stay longer than 90 days in Schengen . . .
>> I'll continue managing my various websites and online businesses and visas won't be an issue.<<
Could definitely be and issue - depends on where you are going.
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How are you going to be allowed to stay in Europe for an entire year? What languages does your wife speak fluently other than English? How about the kids?
Anything beyond the typical 90-days tourists/visitors are allowed in Schengen countries is going to take some doing. You do realize that, right? You can't just arrive in France, your wife gets a job, your kids enroll in school, and your family stays for a year, for example.
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by the way, I *love* the Lac Leman area myself (have friends living there, have visited 5 times). Outside Geneva, Lausanne, Vevey, Montreux, etc.
But a couple years of language study isn't going to be enough for your wife to be able to work, plus she needs working papers from someone sponsoring her. And then it's back to the... you can't just show up & stay for one year there.
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Glad people chimed in with reality. You would think if someone was going to take his family they might have looked into some of this 'stuff'. Imagine that--being able just to work in a country if you want to while on holiday for a year--while unemployment is X.
I am amazed at Americans' entitlements--here AND abroad.
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"I am amazed at Americans' entitlements--here AND abroad."
I'm amazed that someone would make such a sweeping statement and, apparently, believe it. Tell us more about huge groups of people.
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This is not something we will do for at least four years. The ages I put for my children are what they will be four years from now. And I do not know a lot about the logistics which is why I started inquiring to people such as yourselves now. Thank you for a lot of this feedback which is extremely helpful and shows me some of the bigger issues and challenges we will have to consider and address. What I do not understand is the negativity in some of these responses as if I've committed a crime or something. It is bizarre. I would think if someone had helpful information, like many of you did, you would provide it. But insults and negativity seem unnecessary and somewhat pathetic for someone to spend their time doing on the thread on folders website. Anyway, for those of you who did respond with a very helpful information, I truly appreciate it and will keep it in mind as I start planning over the next several years.
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Mme Perdue--- I could not agree more.
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no one attacked you (well except for Gretchen a tad)
Put yourselves in a European's shoes. Can they just up and move to the USA . . . not on your life.
What you take as 'negativity' is simply the reality -- you can't just move to most places in Europe. And even more so with a family. It isn't just 'challenges' - it is very (VERY) strict immigration rules and one can't just say -- I'll work on line' . . . even volunteering and not earning ANY €€€/$$$ at all is generally not allowed.
It isn't like back in the '60's or '70's when anyone could back pack for a year around Europe w/ no rules/regulations. It is a WHOLE different world now.
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oops -- I cut a clause by accident . . . >>It isn't like back in the '60's or '70's when anyone could back pack for a year around Europe picking up odd jobs, w/ no rules/regulations. It is a WHOLE different world now.<<
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Ugh i would homeschool the kids u less you can find an english school.
Why, because a year will barely be enough time or them to catch up to their europeon conterparts( i am not kidding,my nieces were moved back to Gremany after living in canada from 5-13 yrs old( they were born in germany and spoke german) and they were A students here in Canada , without even trying, in Germany they fought hard to manage Bs ,it was a shock how much more advanced the education levels are in Europe. And your kids will be put back a year as they do not speak german.
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I just went back and reread the responses and with one exception, I found no negative posts. Most were concerned about the reality ( visas, possible work situations etc ) of pursuing your dream and offered reasonable advice. As Janis stated it's no longer as easy as it once was to spend unlimited time in Europe. In fact, rules regarding visas for Americans may well change in the next few years. I agree with others that you should pursue the legal problems of such a plan before thinking about specific places.
Good luck. Our family lived in Australia South Africa and Germany for some 8 years. Our kids were 9 and 10 when we left the U.S. It was a fantastic experience, but my husband was with an international company and all legal aspects were taken care of by the company and, again, that was some 35 years ago. Things change.
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Have you thought about health insurance?
Although these countries do have free/low cost healthcare for their citizens as foreign nationals it would not cover you - and you would have to prove you have full coverage - as one of the many conditions of trying to get any sort of long-term visas.
There are also a plethora of other potential issues - including that it would be almost impossible for your wife to be allowed to work - even if she spoke French well enough to do so.
Suggest you have a look at some of the web sites for expatriots to get a lot more in-depth information.
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One of the conditions of a long-term Schengen visa - be it 6 or 12 months - is that everyone must be covered by comprehensive health insurance which includes repatriation benefits. Ex-pat insurance varies in price and coverage, but there are a lot of choices on the internet.
Second, (assuming you'll choose France) when you apply to the regional French consulate, you must provide proof in the form of bank statements that you can support yourself and your family during the time you'll be in France. This means you must already have enough money in your accounts before you leave.
There are many other conditions which must be met before you arrive for your interview. Check the official government website for accurate information.
Third, You will have to provide proof to the Consulate (in the form of a paid rental contract) of residence in France. Renting long-term will require you to open a French bank account. Due to FATCA regulations, many banks refuse to do business with US citizens. You will need to research banks which deal with international clients.
A long-term lease might entail acquiring a "garantie" from a French bank, which agrees to set aside a year's rent in the event you don't pay the rent. This is not always accepted by rental agencies or individuals. Some people have succeeded in personally giving a year's rent to the agency or individual up front, but there are a number of problems with this, since it violates several laws.
You might search for housing options such as home swaps, if you would be open to someone else living in your home.
Otherwise, you can expect slim pickings, small spaces and high prices for housing your family, unless you settle in the suburbs.
Fourth, I'm not sold on the idea of home-schooling, since the idea of bringing your children to a foreign country is to immerse them in the culture. Getting your American children into a French public school is not a simple task - you'll have to apply long before you arrive. Investigate this on some ex-pat forums, or ask at an international school in your area.
Fifth, your wife will not be allowed to work legally in Europe unless she has a work permit before she arrives, which is nearly impossible to acquire. If she works in Europe, the money she earns will be taxed both in France and in the US, so she won't end up with much.
Sixth, get started in immersion classes as soon as you can, and stick with them. You won't speak perfect French when you arrive, and probably won't understand a lot of what you hear, but it will be the best option.
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Visa issues aside, you definitely need to look into the legality of home schooling. For example, it is illegal in Germany but it looks like home schooling is legal in France but look into the T&C of it: https://www.angloinfo.com/france/how-to/page/france-family-schooling-education-home-schooling International schools are an option but they are EXPENSIVE.
Another not insignificant hurdle is opening a bank account. That is sure to be a massive PITA thanks to anti-money laundering laws and the US meddling in the banking affairs of other countries.
If she works in Europe, the money she earns will be taxed both in France and in the US, so she won't end up with much.
Not just her, but he may also be on the hook for paying taxes in both countries. You'll definitely want to hire someone like PWC to do your taxes.
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ITT: fuzzbucket dispensing wisdom
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Why not just stay 30 days in three different countries and treat it like a holiday.
Your 12 year old will be on the verge of high school - a very unsettling time anyway - and do you want her being schooled in another country with a completely different curriculum - only to come home and find she may have missed critical subjects or worse, have fallen behind.
If you do the 90 days during their summer vacation they may miss minimal school and you will save yourselves a bunch of money and endless paperwork.
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What I mean is - 30 x days in France, 30 days in Spain, 30 days in Italy - as an example. You still get the cultural immersion but don't have to deal with the laborious paperwork or spend a fortune.
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Blueeyedcod presents a good suggestion.
This would avoid the paperwork and headaches, though I would definitely advise getting some health insurance before you leave.
You could presumably find lodging for 30 days (might be able to pay by credit card or bank draft) - worst case scenario, you could move every 2 weeks or so to another apartment - and if you take your children out of school for a few extra weeks, you could conceivably make an arrangement with the administration.
Check first regarding the regulations on short-term vacation rentals in any city you are considering. There are restrictions in Paris and Barcelona, for example, though you could definitely find vacation rentals more easily in the nearby suburbs.
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Frankly, the administrative hullabaloo you'll need to go through for a mere 1-year stay in Europe would never, IMO, be worth it. We've been here way longer than a year, and we already owned a house in France and I have an Irish passport/citizenship that entitles me and my husband to be here, and we are STILL working through the paperwork. Oh, and we speak French, which has streamlined the process as much as it can be. Without that, I fear we'd be looking at about 5 years to complete everything.
Fuzzbucket has outlined most of the hurdles in detail. and others have added cogent details, but here's another one: almost every piece of paperwork (and trust me there will be dozens and dozens and dozens) will have to be translated and apostillé by a certified French translator. Every single one of them, even if only a page or so, will cost you a minimum of 60 euros. Every single one of them will likely entail waiting a few weeks for the translator to deliver. They will then have to be presented to your préfecture (or your notaire will have to handle them for you). Getting an appointment with the préfecture (or any number of the other administrative organizations you'll have to deal with), or waiting in line to see someone on the right days at the right time, can take several weeks. And each time you go, depending on whom you see, even if you have ticked off all the requirements the last person you saw gave you, something will be missing and you'll have to get it and go back.
Will you want to have a car? There's a whole new set of hurdles, which I won't explain here, but your options are essentially either rent/lease one at great expense for a year, or buy one and enter a whole new netherworld of documentation. If you won't have one, you have an entire lifetime's worth of learning about public transportation, train discounts, frequent flyer options on small airlines, and the often severe limitations on local bus service.
I could go on, but suffice it to say I think the suggestion to move around and make use of your exception visa (the 90-day rule) is a good one, with maybe another 30 days outside Schengen. Of course, that poses schooling problems. And renting problems. But it will still minimize to some extent your interactions with the French bureaucracy (or any other).
We don't, by the way, regret for a second our decision to move here. We knew it was a permanent move, however.I just cannot imagine making it anything less than a multi-year choice.
One last suggestion: sign up on the AngloInfo website. It's very heavily geared toward British subscribers, who have their own set of issues, particularly now. But follow some of the discussions and you'll soon see a litany of challenges, particularly from a population that rarely speaks fluent French. And keep in mind that Brits have historically had to deal with a good deal less expatriate documentation that you as Americans will.
Bon courage.
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1 Year in Europe with Family
Posted by: db613 on Jul 11, 16 at 3:08pm
There is plenty of excellent seasoned advice in this thread. Here is more in a nutshell http://www.enjoy-europe.com/hte/chap22/moving.htm.
In your circumstances you would be better off to delay your move until you have the kids packed off to university. Then you and wife can go. This would give you another ten years to prepare for the daunting tasks ahead. But do pursue your dream. It is worth all the effort.
You can lessen the tribulations by getting a job with a company which will transfer you to Europe. But transfers typically are multi-year with a three year minimum. It doesn't pay to go for only one year. As mentioned above several times, your wife will not get a job in Europe.
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As mentioned above several times, your wife will not get a job in Europe.
Not strictly true. In theory she could get a job but she'd be doing so illegally.
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If you are employed maybe your employer can help you work out some long term work Visa.
My SIL (along eith his family, my DD and two kids - ages 7 and 11) worked for a year through a Fuulbright scholarship and then stayed an additional year for his sabbatical year.
They lived in Bergen, Norway. The cost of living is high but the quality of life is good especially for families. Public Education is free and the schools educate kids in both English and Norwegian. You can receive free medical care, it is a relatively safe place, clean, lots of outdoor activities, etc.
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If you are employed maybe your employer can help you work out some long term work Visa
If his company doesn't have a presence in Europe, I don't see how that would even be possible. Besides, that could open the company up to all sorts of unintended expenditures.
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Sparkchase is right. U.S. companies that do not have European branches will not normally approve of employees working in Europe; even if the employee was approved to work 'remotely' (out of their own home in the USA). If the employee worked out of their own home in Europe for the U.S. company or client, this would require the U.S. company to adhere to many different European corporate employment laws, including social security and tax registration.
I think the dream is a great one, but having moved to France and dealt with several different Visa applications - first being in 2001 when things were relatively simple, compared to now - second one being a Visa regroupement familial (due to VISA laws changing in France), I can tell you the hoops are enormous. That is just the VISA issue itself. It isn't impossible, but it isn't easy now.
The bank, health insurance, tax declaration, obtaining a rental as a foreigner and last but not least the education issues are major hurdles.
I agree that if you can put this off until your children are heading to University, you 'might' find it easier. Who knows as laws change along the way and no one can predict the future.
For now, I would recommend researching the bank regulations for non-EU individuals in France, tax regulations for same, get a price for family health insurance to give you an idea of what to expect as you'll have to prove you all have insurance, and get the details on renting in France as a non-EU. This will take you some time to get the facts, but it should be very eye opening, which, I think, is what you're after.
Good luck !
Oh and the spending 3 months in France prior to making such a big decision (long term), is an excellent one.
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What you are interpreting as hostility by our fellow posters is actually the presentation of a realistic picture of all that is involved to move your family to Europe. It will cost you more money than you plan and will be much more involved, though not impossible, than you anticipate.
We moved to Paris from the US about 4 years ago with our school aged daughter. Here are several observation which may be of help.
1. Your wife will not be able to find legal work.
2. Your children will be accepted into the French school system. Some schools, in larger cities, will have some classes in English. The most difficult situation will be that of a 12 year old who will be entering into 6eme or basically jr high school both socially and academically. It will be very challenging if not a sizeable burden for him/her not being fluent in French. There are a number of private English schools available but only in larger cities.
3. I would plan on prepaying a year's rent for housing. To be able to open a bank account, you will need a signed housing contract and a long stay visa in your passport.
4. The first year using a long stay visa requires a number of visits to the OFII. Being very far away from Paris or a larger city will mean a number of trips for administrative purposes. It might be very difficult to obtain a long stay visa without some definitive address where you plan on staying. The consulate may not approve a plan of being a month here and a month somewhere else of a plan of constantly changing addresses.
5. Your driver's license will only be good for 3 months after which you must obtain a French license. France has a reciprocity agreement with a few US states. Otherwise, obtaining a French license is a costly and complicated procedure.
6. You might have health insurance already that will reimburse foreign medical expenses. If you do, you will need a statement from your insurer, in French, that explains this coverage. Otherwise you will need to purchase coverage.
7. You will also need to carry liability insurance both as a renter and as a parent with children in school. The school will ask for proof of liability insurance for any potential damage which may be caused by your children.
8. I don't think that your working in the US will be as big a problem as others have suggested, particularly if you can prove to the consulate that you have sufficient funds to cover basic expenses from savings. As long as you receive no money via any French company, your work remains basically US based, and your income accounts all remain in the USA, you should not have a income liability in France.
I worked for a period of time in the US after I had moved to France without ever paying French income taxes. All income taxes where paid in the USA where I worked.
Overall, living in a foreign country is a very enriching experience and well worth the effort in overcoming the numerous obstacles which you will certainly encounter. Most people let their employers handle the myriad requirements. If you attempt it on your own, you probably will need help and you'll definitely need help if you are not yourself a capable French speaker.
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Yup, however this thead looks like all the reasons needed to not do it.
As Yazoo said it : Don't go !
So my advice would be for Db to play the deaf frog.
The translation is marginally better than googletranslate.
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<do not understand is the negativity in some of these responses as if I've committed a crime or something. It is bizarre.>
I think you are misreading the replies. It's just that your dream of living in Europe for a year as originally presented was missing basically ALL reality checks.
Now with the information provided here, you have an outline of what it would take (legal paperwork, visas, health insurance, schooling, finances and banking, taxes, etc.), what likely won't happen (your wife being allowed to work/find a job), what you could and should do in advance (language intensives), etc.
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What about adding time in the uk. You vould add that ro the 90 days on the continent.
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If you opt to try and pull this off as a perpetual tourist (90 days in Schengen, 180 days in UK, 90 days in Schengen), you should know that the countries will take a dim view of you working full time in their country without authorization, regardless of whether your work is "there" or in the "U.S.". I had an acquaintance get into trouble for that.
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You might find the paperwork less onerous, not to mention cheaper living costs, if you opted for Portugal instead of France.
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Also, if you plan to work (in any capacity) while in France, be sure to read the rules of a long stay Visa. With the application for a Long Stay Visa, we were required to sign an Attestation stating we would not work in France for a certain period of time. We were also asked to sign an Attestation stating we would not attempt to collect any governmental aid.
We had to provide the same Attestations to the OFII upon arrival to France. This in addition to a bucket load of other 'stuff.' If you end up staying longer than one year, do not throw away any of your officially translated documents (birth certificates, marriage certificates, vaccination/health certificates); you will be asked to present those annually for a certain period of time - before you can apply for a 10 year residency card.
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As most of the previous posters have said, it is a very difficult process and there are lots of hurdles/challenges to consider.
A couple of suggestions/thoughts
Look for a US expat forum. like www.expatforum.com I am sure there are other forums out there.
Does your company have a European office? If so, perhaps talk to your company about overseas opportunities.
Do you or your wife qualify for any type of EU citizenship through familiy members? Research the requirements for citizenship through descent if either your wifes or your family immigrated from an EU country in the last generation or so. Each country has their own requirements for citizenship by descent. Most involving a ton of paperwork. If you qualify and get citizenship from a EU member state, you would bypass the 90 day limit. But there will be other implications, like mandatory military registration/service in some countries. You'll need to research that as well.
I wouldn't limit yourself to French speaking destinations because you live near and visit Montreal. You can get along in Montreal speaking English just fine.
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<<5. Your driver's license will only be good for 3 months after which you must obtain a French license. France has a reciprocity agreement with a few US states. Otherwise, obtaining a French license is a costly and complicated procedure.>>
1,000 euros for each driver, plus mandatory driving lessons at 38 euros an hour until your instructor deems you ready to take the written exam, which costs several hundred euros for each driver and entails memorizing the answers to the 400 questions in the code, any 40 of which may appear on the exam.
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Wow, I am just following this thread out of sheer curiosity, but way to kill a dream, Fodorites! Like StCirq, my husband has Irish citizenship, so over the years we've dreamed of moving to Europe. No more.
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St. Cirq - I feel your pain.
db613 - I don't think those of us who live in France (especially those of us from the U.S.) are trying to insult or discourage you. I think we are trying, as best we can, to convey to you that living in France (legally) can be extremely challenging (I've also been known to use other words that are far less family friendly).
I have avoided the subject of education in France. Our daughter was 7 when we arrived in France and she had attended French private schools her entire life - up to the move. So, she was completely fluent and was not held back a year (or it can even be two). First couple of years were really really good. Every year after that became closer and closer to a nightmare. It is a very very different system from anything I've ever seen in the U.S. Schools can differ hugely from one town to the next. I'll leave it at that. Just do as much research as you can on the subject.
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I don't see anyone killing a dream. It could well be possible to fulfil the dream, but it will take a lot of planning to do so. That is what folks here are trying to say, and to help with.
If it is a dream worth fulfilling it is a dream worth working harder for.
I think I would do it when the older girl is a little younger so she doesn't face having to be at secondary school immediately. Or wait a couple of years longer.
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The cost of a driving license in France averages €1600. This includes the first 20 mandatory driving lessons.
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" way to kill a dream, Fodorites! "
You're making the common error of shooting the messenger. Fodorites didn't make the rules, they're just pointing out that they exist. Would it be better to tell the OP to go for it, without pointing out the difficulties?
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Would it be better to tell the OP to go for it, without pointing out the difficulties?
I think db613 should jump in headfirst and figure things out once they get there. YOLO
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Unless the rules have changed, if you already have a drivers license, you do not have to take the 20 driving lessons. We found that not all driving schools know this, but we found one. In fact it's good to have a few. We had Canadian driving licenses when we arrived in France, and were able to take the (fairly difficult) test for the code, and then took a few lessons to work on the bad habits we had accumulated over the years. I don't know whether this is relevant for the OP, but it's an example of why one needs to check all the facts.
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No one here is "killing a dream". They are just outlining the steps it would take to actually make if come true.
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I think db613 should jump in headfirst and figure things out once they get there.
If it were only so simple.
The first hurdle will with the appropriate consulate. They will want a valid housing contract in France, proof of medical insurance, repatriation insurance, a years worth of bank records, tax returns to prove income, a statement from your local police department that you have a clean record with them, and proof of sufficient financial resources such that you will not become a burden to the state.
All of that must be collected, submitted in person, and approved by the consulate before you depart the USA. One of the frustrating elements is that you really will not know all that they may expect of you before your initial interview. It could conceivably take months before one actually receives his initial long stay visa.
Within a few months of arrival, the process begins anew except that this time, everything must be translated into French, by a government approved translator. At 50€ per page, preparing for this interview can become very expensive. Required translations of birth certificates can only be made from recent copies certified by the state in which they were originally issued. Yes, most states will international FedEx these copies to you in France but the costs can really mount and additional fees abound.
Then there is the OFII medical which includes a chest Xray and examination by a medical professional. The French bureaucracy is an industry in and of itself.
Once you arrive in France, everything now is done in French to include arranging for utility hookups, dealing with the bank, arranging for school admissions, establishing internet and phone service, purchasing insurances, and yes, even taking the driver's license examination.
You had better really want to do this.
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<should jump in headfirst and figure things out once they get there>
If they follow that "advice" they'll all be illegal after 90 days.
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The education thing is the one that the OP should really look into. This article is basic but give a bit of information.
I wouldn't do it personally although my sons have attended school on and off in Italy (where the high school system separates them into academic and trade subjects) and I'm not overly fond of the lack of discipline - disrespect to teachers and other stuff - I had to get used to seeing kids smoke as soon as they walked out the door of the school, smoke while talking to a teacher, smoke at the bus stop - (Italian teenagers are horrendous smokers - not sure of French teens propensity to smoke).
I hope they come to their senses and just do this as an extended holiday.
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I'm with the folks who suggest home schooling and moving every 90 days. You can stay in France 90 days then go somewhere non-Schengen for 90 days. Then back to France, then again to somewhere non-Schengen. Then you don't have to worry about the year long visa. The UK and Croatia are not Schengen (but I suppose with Croatia, that could change in four years.)
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The French bureaucracy is an industry in and of itself.
Same for Holland and Germany where I have lived as an expat.
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You have to be out of the Schengen cou tries 180 days before reentry, but i think you can get up to 6 months in uk, rules change however.
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Sparkchaser was not being serious folks! it was a response to the killing the dream post.
Home schooling the girls if legal would be possible if the parents feel able to do it. It isn't for everyone.
Croatia applies Schengen rules, since it is a candidate member.
you have to be out of Schengen for 180 days before you can legally return. the 90 days starts on your arrival day and includes you departure day. If they spent the full 90 days in Schengen and then went to the UK they would not be able to visit any Schengen countries during their time in the UK. The wife would still not be allowed to work - it is still a tourist visa.
If they start planning now there is no reason they shouldn't be able to fulfil the dream as I said. It will just take more work than I think they realised at the start of this thread.
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Spark as about as serious as I am.
I am always amazed at how little humour goes through on Internet.
Biut just in case, Van Halen said it all : JUMP !
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I am always amazed at how little humour goes through on Internet.
Then again, if OP did decide to throw caution to the wind and just go and do it and figure it all out once he and his family got there, the result might make a pretty good book.
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I must have had it easy. I found that applying for a long stay visa to be relatively simple - except for the flight for my day trip to the French Consulate in Chicago.
After my appointment there I received my long-stay visa in less than 2 weeks. I have some friends who received theirs within a week.
The Chicago consulate would accept a hotel reservation or a short-term rental as proof of housing, so that wasn't an issue at all for me as I had rented an apartment through Sabbatical Homes for my first 4 months.
Meeting the insurance requirement was easy too. I just bought a year long travel policy from Allianz for $79, and kept my US insurance for the first year.
I'm not sure either about the many visits to OFII mentioned. I had to go there once for my immigration medical exam and it was no big deal.
I originally though that my home state was reciprocal with France regarding drivers licenses, but found out later that it had changed. Right now I still have my US license and know many long-time expats who have never gotten a French license. I thin that the only time that this would be an issue if if you were to buy a car in France.
My only problem with your plan is that it's only for a year.
To learn more about an American family who moved to France you might enjoy this blog: http://www.annieandre.com/
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What are your circumstances?
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"know many long-time expats who have never gotten a French license. I thin that the only time that this would be an issue if if you were to buy a car in France. "
No, it is illegal. If caught, they could be fined and jailed.
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I took a flying leap to France in 2008 - knew nothing and nobody, made a lot of costly mistakes, and wish I would have had the benefit of up-to-date factual information, instead of relying on ex-pat blogs, last year's trip-of-a-lifetime reports and anything not having to do with harsh reality.
I'm glad I have finally settled in, because things are getting much tougher than ever before.
Some people have gotten away with giving the apartment owner a year's rent in advance - usually in cash, by credit card or direct bank transfer - but the law ALUR forbids this, and many individuals are skittish about accepting money up front. This also opens the door for property owners who will just take your money and throw you out at the first available opportunity - and yes, they can.
If you rent from an agency, or owners who abide by the law, you can expect to be turned down hundreds of times, even if you offer them a trillion euros in advance.
If you do not work in France, cannot produce French pay stubs and cannot prove that you earn 4 times the rental fees in France, you will not get an apartment unless you can prove that your French bank or a close friend will block a year's worth of rental fees in your behalf. Even then, you might not get an apartment, since nobody wants to deal with all the paperwork.
Due to the acute housing shortage in major cities such as Paris, you will be lucky to find any acceptable housing at all.
F1racegirl has not seen any problems, yet. But the longer one stays in France, the more complicated the situations will become. There are plenty of US expats who will give advice about how to lie to the authorities and cheat the French system, but dumb luck doesn't last forever, unfortunately.
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-Croatia applies Schengen rules, since it is a candidate member-
Croatia is not a member of Schengen, though they have applied. For the citizens of the US and Canada you do not have to count the days in Croatia as part of the 90 in 180. But, as I said the the above post, that could change in four years. Or less. Or more.
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Not only is driving with a US licence past the allowed time illegal and liable to a fine it also means you are almost certainly driving uninsured, since you must hold a valid licence to get insurance.
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<<Not only is driving with a US licence past the allowed time illegal and liable to a fine it also means you are almost certainly driving uninsured, since you must hold a valid licence to get insurance.>>
Absolutely true.
And no, you don't have to take 20 hours of driving lessons. Maybe if you're a novice driver, but if you arrive in France with a valid license and sign up with an auto école, which you must, your driving instructor will determine how many hours you need. But yes, it costs about 1600 euros on average to get your license.
And August, no one's trying to kill a dream, just telling it like it is. But if your husband has Irish citizenship, how did he obtain it? Through the Irish Registry of Foreign Births, which I believe expired for Americans in 1999, or was he born there, or how? At any rate, you'd have to consult the Irish Consulate to find out what your privileges are with respect to your husband's citizenship. Like every other EU country, they have cracked down in recent years on immigration issue. I got in in 1987, when it was dead easy.
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Of course there's paperwork involved but it's entirely possible. Lots of people do it, no reason the OP shouldn't if they decide it's what they want to do. The French embassy website lists the requirements for a long stay visa:
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@STCirq, yes the Registry of Foreign Births, which appears to be alive and well: https://www.dfa.ie/passports-citizenship/citizenship/born-abroad/born-abroad-citizenship-by-descent-faqs/
He did it in 2000.
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In fact, it reminds me to enter my children in the Registry of Foreign births. Thank you!
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db613, I'd like to offer you encouragement in pursuing your dream and finding a way to make it a reality. It may end up being quite different than what you envision today, but I'm sure there's some way it can happen. You've gotten a reality check and some good info from people on this forum. But I can promise it can be a life-changing experience for you and your family.
My husband, daughter and I took a 14-month sabbatical in Europe back in 2004-2005, the year our daughter was 11. We spent 6-1/2 months of that time living in Provence, and our daughter attended the elementary school in our small village. We lived off savings and investments, including $$ from renting our home back in the USA. We applied for long-stay tourist visas, and yes-- it's a complicated process.
Originally I was like you and thinking about planning for several years, but a good friend (a psychologist) encouraged us to go sooner vs. later. We also talked to the director of our daughter's school, who also encouraged us to go sooner. This was great advice. She skipped 6th grade in the USA and based on her age was in CM2 in the ecole elementaire. I would not have wanted her in the local "college," as it's much more complicated in every perspective... and harder to re-integrate an older child back in the USA. We know other people who chose to stay in a larger town/small city where their child could attend an international school. (You might consider Aix-en-Provence.)
I would be happy to offer you other input or answer questions if you want to email me.
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I would have discouraged you until yesterday for all the reasons everyone else discouraged you.
Not after yesterday.
I was serving burgers at our Church Fair yesterday with an old friend who was visiting here for the summer.
Two years ago, he and his wife made their first visit to Barcelona on a cruise and fell in love. They came home from their cruise, sold their house, moved to Catalonia and bought a smaller house in a beach village outside the city. They don't speak Spanish very well and don't speak Catalan at all. They have a long term visa and permanent residence status is just around the corner.
I don't know how they did it, and I'm not sure I want to know, but they did, and it's in a real place, not one of those apartment empires outside Gibraltar.
So if this is what you want to do, go for it. You will at least be going for it informed about the obstacles!
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But someone's experience in Spain is not all that relevant for someone who wants to move to France. I suggested Portugal way up-thread, because I think it would be a good bit easier than France, but the discussion here has been about France, because that's where the OP said he wanted to go.
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<<it's in a real place>>
How do you know? I sure hope so. Property deal scams are absolutely rife in Spain at the moment. They're all over the mainstream news in Europe, and the internet. I hope they didn't get scammed.
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Hey guys,
Db is not really intensively present.
So we're all commenting on how we supposed he wants to do it, peppering it ith our own fantasies, and in the best of times of our experiences.
I hope Db is also getting info from consulates...
If not good luck...
Because for example when I read some saying it is no big deal not having a proper license to drive in France, I just hope Db has some brains.
The issue would not be to buy a car, but to stay out of jail in case of a car accident.
Mais bon, il y a tellement de gens qui savent comment il faut vivre en France...
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Wow, what a really informative thread. DH and I work from home and tossed about trying to see if it would be possible for us to work in France for a few months. We didn't get any farther than discovering that my company won't allow me to work outside the US. I'm kind of glad that's the case now, as I would have been really disappointed to get further in the process to discover it's not just so easy as showing up and logging on.
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I think you've all discouraged err I mean answered the OP's questions and he has left the building.
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Seems like folks are explaining how he should do it , not how he want to do, which is apparently just go and have an adventure, which to me is fine except with kids.When you have children "adventures" are not so funny.
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"At any rate, you'd have to consult the Irish Consulate to find out what your privileges are with respect to your husband's citizenship."
To summarise this issue for anyone pursuing it.
The Irish Republic offers citizenship to virtually anyone with a grandparent born on the island of Ireland. This requires the trail of paperwork demonstrating the birth (and the applicant's descent) to be deposited with the Irish Registry of Foreign Births, then turning into a passport. The country's bureaucracy for dealing with this is currently swamped with UK applicants, and is likely to remain so for several years. So it's a slow process.
Ireland does NOT automatically grant citizenship to spouses. Irish citizens have a right - ultimately conferred by the European Convention of Human Rights - to live and work anywhere in the EU and bring their partner with them. The definition of partner is now quite strict: the paperwork for an accompanied partner is laborious in Ireland, and even trickier if an Irish citizen is trying to import a non-European partner into another EU country.
For most non-Europeans simply accompanying a European partner on holiday or business, none of this really matters. But the moment they start doing things residents do (like enrolling children in school, or visiting a GP) the Kafka-esque stuff starts hitting
A slightly outdated summary in plain English at http://www.movetoireland.com/movepag/papnoneuspouse.htm
For most people on this board, the partner of an Irish citizen is eligible to apply for Irish citizenship ONLY after that partner has legally lived in Ireland for three of the previous five years. There are some exceptions for people in need of asylum, but for most of us it's now impossible to get Irish citizenship for a spouse without both living in Ireland for a substantial period.
Official site: http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/irish_citizenship/becoming_an_irish_citizen_through_marriage.html
If a relationship breaks up before a spouse acquires Irish citizenship, that spouse faces deportation.
" pull this off as a perpetual tourist (90 days in Schengen, 180 days in UK, 90 days in Schengen"
This stunt works for planning holidays: it's totally unreliable as a device for long-term stays in Europe.
Present yourself at a UK border without a UK visa, and it's entirely at the border agent's discretion whether you're allowed in or not. Show a passport that looks as if you're effectively planning to work in Britain (telecommuting from a UK base is regarded as working, not a holiday and not "on business") and you'll be denied entry. Border agents are there to deter illegal immigrants: not to boost the tourist industry.
Since you can't be deported back to France, you'll be put - at your expense - on a plane back to your home country.
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<I am amazed at Americans' entitlements--here AND abroad.>
Wow, Gretchen. Bitter much?
This man wants his family to learn about other cultures, not just American culture. He has no plans whatsoever to become dependent on French taxpayers, unlike the hoards currently overrunning your system with, apparently, no requirement to even provide a legitimate ID. Wow. That's a far bigger problem than an educated, employed, culturally sensitive man who wants to share he world with his kids.
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I don't get that "entitlement" thing, either.
If someone is curious enough to investigate another culture and possibly decide to end up living in another country for a certain period of time, I think that's a good way to broaden their horizons.
If someone is willing and able to invest the time and money it takes to actually complete this task, more power to them.
Anyone who says that this will be simple, either doesn't plan to stay long in a foreign country, or doesn't understand what will be required from him, the longer he remains there.
Many people manage to stay for a year or two in a foreign country, but do not become fully invested in the local community - this is especially true for those who make little or no effort to speak the local language. As such, they are just taking a nice, long vacation while pretending to "live like locals".
It sounds like the OP has the right idea, and if he and his family get their act together, it sounds like they will benefit immensely from this journey.
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Take a chill pill Gretchen! Bitter much is right, I hope you find happiness one of these days
Good Luck db613, I hope everything works out and I you are able to do this with your family. Please report back and let us know how things are going with the planning.
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Urgot is seen as a weak super nerfed champ who is rarely used and has no place anymore on the battlefield. However I've decided to prove that wrong and here's how!
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This topic contains 4 replies, has 4 voices, and was last updated by Fuengi (Andrew) 11 years, 2 months ago.
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- September 18, 2006 at 7:51 pm #52249
Can anyone outline for me what you get, as a resident, under the state health service, and what you don't get? Maybe a url? In the UK most people would not loose too much sleep if they could not afford private healthcare, it is a tradition for most to go NHS. Is the same true in Spain, or is the Spanish system really a safety-net for those who cannot pay, as is the case in the USA?
- September 19, 2006 at 5:16 pm #65820
I can't give you a comparitive analysis but I have used both the British NHS and the Spanish NHS for more than 15 years. While my family and I have not had any major health problems, we have had the usual crop of emergencies and routine GP visits.
My verdict is that both systems seem to offer a similar level of care and if I had to choose one over the other I would choose the Spanish.
- September 19, 2006 at 5:31 pm #65821
If you live outside Valencia you aren't entitled to free state health care unless you're retired (or are a retiree's partner) or are contributing to the Social Security system (or are a dependant of someone who is) as self-employed or as an employee.
Otherwise it's take a chance and pay as you go or take out private healthcare.
- September 19, 2006 at 8:55 pm #65829
Thanks, guys. That is very helpful.
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