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Tesla Pickup Truck
Tesla Pickup Truck
Those great renderings of the 4door are kind of what we would expect from Tesla, an AWD comfort truck that is capable of taking the family to the lake, towing a normal boat, picking up the proverbial 4x8 from the lumber yard and of course outracing kids in lifted giganto trucks.
Love the 7/8 size of my original Tundra, hate the 1849 pioneer wagon leaf spring suspensions. Air springs make great sense. Perhaps a clever fold-down lumber/kayak rack?
Call it the T-Truck. In time the chassis would be used for big conventional SUVs, various vans and specialty haulers in addition to truck variations like long beds, utility beds, access cabs, etc.
And of course UPS trucks. I think there are about 20 million of them to replace.
OK, I just had to post somewhere that I am at this point basically waiting for Tesla to make a pickup truck - though I would hope it would be in the $60k range by the time it is released. Tesla seemed to think batteries will be 75% cheaper in 10 years. I could wait that long. Though I would love to see something near the end of the decade. While I'm not in the market to buy a new car I am certainly never going to buy an ICE for myself again and that is pretty much because I have seen the Model S.
I think a lot of people share that feeling, uselesslogin, me included. I never could imagine buying a brand new ICE car, now that I've seen the model S, I can't even imagine buying any ICE car, so it will have to be an EV once my current dies, hopefully there is something good and affordable by then, such as the Tesla Bluestar.
In three or four years you should be able to get a fully serviced used MS for about half off.
It might serve to modify the Model X suv, leaving the falcon wings up when carrying tall objects like 4x8 plywood.
Some great comments and encouraging to hear others are hoping the truck comes to fruition. I wrote back in October 2012 that there's essentially 0 competition in the EV truck market but didn't specify which part of the EV truck market I had in mind.
A few have pointed out there are commercial and 'Transit' type EV trucks already available. However, I had more of a non-commercial duty light truck in mind. As cool it would be for Tesla to out-power the truck competition in towing or similar feats I think they'd be just as successful to match a comparable priced truck in towing/power but have it drive and handle like the Model S.
Tesla has some difficult decisions to make since trucks have a wider variety of uses/applications than passenger cars.
this would be an important development to me and my spouse, any a great eco-innovation moving forward.
we are currently in the process of building a tiny home, and aiming to iteratively integrate ourselves into transportable off grid living.
a great help to this cause would be an electric pickup that we can use to tow our house, as well as transport our solar setup.
imagine utilizing the pickup's battery storage to reduce your requirement for auxiliary battery storage for your solar setup. imagine having a build in 110V inverter onboard.
its not just for transport, its a potential base for an off grid power station.
this is what i'd like to see.
A Tesla Pick Up truck?
If they do with a pick up with as they did with the Model S, they will sell not 20 or 30 thousand, but hundreds of thousands.
I'll take one. I need to tow our boat, and our 30' travel trailer.
I count 4 pick up trucks currently in our family. One is used for business (General contractor), one is simply because he loves to drive a nice truck, other two are because of the needs of hauling, towing, and 4 x4 ability.
All will jump at the chance to own the best pick up truck made.
Klaus has the right idea for a pickup truck, no frills. I would only suggest the size be closer to a ford f-150. As it is the best selling truck. Also is sized for average cargo. I think the idea for ev powered truck is the right idea. Most people that own pickup trucks don't use them all the time to carry cargo. The customer base for this kind of truck exists and is most consumers. People have been waiting for alternate for a gasoline powered small truck for years. For instance diesel powered small truck in the USA market. All auto manufactures have ignored this idea, well why not electric powered truck instead.
How about starting with a Tesla Monster Truck. Purely a prototype demo model. Just for fun, and to crush anything else in silent motion...
A cool thing that a Tesla pick up could offer that a regular pick up can't is that it could have plugs in it for workers and contractors to plug in their power tools on a job site. Such as if you have a house that is under construction or a work place in a far off place away from a plug. You could drive the pick up truck to the work site and be able to plug in your power tools into the truck's big battery. After you are done you drive the truck home charge up during the night and come back the next day.
Something like this would allow builders to not have to run those small noisy gas generators at work sites.
The kinds of trucks that people buy millions of are the traditional frame types. Yes, they are silly overkill for 80% of the people who buy them, but they do.
An aluminum unibody Tesla truck is a different sort of thing altogether and it would be a mistake to think it can compete in the same market as conventional trucks. How many people risk scratching the pearlescent paint by loading their Escalade EXTs with a load of bricks?
Still, done right and with a reasonable level of ruggedness and utility* it could be a very good seller and worth developing.
* that means no stupid flying buttress bed design, among other things.
Bigfoot video
5 of the 20 passes over the cars.
A ute-style truck based on the Model X makes sense, would be relatively easy to develop. About 2 months ago I did an image manipulation, not thinking to check to see if anyone else had done anything similar first.
As time went by I happened to think of another couple of concepts for Tesla Motors, which got me doing more image manipulations and getting back into sketching:
Posting these to Google Plus results in feedback. One guy in particular asked for a 4-door version. Instead I gave the XTX a pair of Falcon Wing doors...
...But that wasn't enough -- he still wanted an extra 18" of bed length. Okay, since the XTX already has a retracting rear window and a one-piece tonneau cover that lifts like a trunklid before sliding out of sight behind the rear seat, all we have to do is make that bulkhead fold down, after the rear seat bottom is flipped forward. This results in either a long, enclosed cargo area or a fully open one.
If you're thinking this is similar to the Chevrolet Avalanche's arrangement, you're absolutely correct -- but the Avalanche (which is being discontinued) asks you to manually remove and store its rear window, and I'm pretty sure there's no easy onboard storage option for its tonneau. With the XTX the transformation is automatic.
No, the XTX isn't what people think of as a truck. It's more like a tall coupe that transforms into a light-duty pickup. Maybe people will think it's weird, but they'll be impressed.
The XT on the other hand is pretty straightforward, even with a retracting rear window and a foldaway tonneau as options.
I like to imagine them both being revealed at the same event.
But neither one is a 'real' truck. That comes later (and I'd like to be part of the design process), on its own entirely new platform. Meanwhile I think the XT would be quite utilitarian enough for a lot of buyers, and though the XTX is the answer to a question almost nobody asked, its Falcon Wing doors alone should make it popular.
From these angles they may appear to have a "stupid flying buttress bed design", but the C-pillars do not actually extend very far along the bed sides.
It is a matter of taste, and practicality too, but I would prefer a straight up rear window and pillar.
I would also like a fold-down lumber rack, something clever, capable of carrying a reasonable load of lumber. And of course Yakima type rack accessories.
Today almost every pickup is an access cab, if not a crew cab. My Tundra is an access cab and I would never, ever go back to a strictly one-row design.
A rollout tonneau cover, like a pool cover, would help aerodynamics and would be out of the way when you pick up the usual load of iron ingots (truck ads!).
I just don't see Tesla making giant frame trucks. Maybe partnering with someone, a joint venture.
Thanks for posting my XTX image, Brian H. Code confuses me...
carlgo, we're talking apples and oranges. I give you a Fuji and a Granny Smith, and it's fine if you don't want them -- I've got something with a thick skin and a big ol' navel around here somewhere...
Elon wants to electrify transportation, and that includes commercial vehicles, so it seems a 'real' truck is in the pipeline.
Yesterday I watched a presentation at the Chicago Auto Show for the new Ram version of the Fiat Ducato. To hear the guy expound upon the benefits of front-wheel-drive in a truck application made me squirm, but it is useful to look at how they build trucks in Europe. The Ducato starts out as a unit-body van, and floor reinforcements are added for the cab and cutaway models.
For the Tesla truck I see a more American style, but see no reason not to include the cab as part of the chassis -- and a more upright, van-style cab can be a separate model.
If it's an American pickup it needs to look the part. We'll just put a big frunk where the V8 would be, and try not to try too hard with aerodamnnamics.
Talk is cheap. I'll get back to sketching...
"aerodamnnamics" :-D
It all depends of battery prices. Truck needs more than sedan, not just because of aerodamnnamics but also how it is used, so that part of the equation goes up. Technically BEV truck is easy, economically difficult.
A new youtube has Elon talking about pick up trucks.
Elon talks of pick up trucks around the 31:45 min mark
A tiny sketch I did today:
Text from my g+ post:
'Model H' concept by filsmyth
If you know +Tesla Motors at all, you're aware of their 3-stage plan -- expensive, low-volume sports car, premium sedan, then a smaller, more affordable car (GenIII). What comes after that?
+Elon Musk has said, and I quote, "I'm quite keen on building a truck." He went on to talk about the problem today's truck suspensions have handling different load weights, and solving that, so it seems he's pretty serious about this...
Too serious to be talking about something like my XT concept? He might very well be. HOWEVER, a lot could be learned from developing a light-duty, ute-style pickup based on the Model X, and if the XT and its sister concept the XTX (seen elsewhere in this album) are going to be even halfway serious haulers they should use something other than the Model X's suspension at the rear, if only because the struts encroach on the cargo area.
'H' is for Hauling.
...Even if you're just hauling ass, which the version in my preliminary thumbnail sketch appears prepared to do.
The H's hood strakes are straighter and more substantial than those on the S and X, and whether they give any aerodynamic advantage or not, serve to 'beef up' the look of the truck in profile. Under the hood is a rather large FRUNK.
Each fender flare is a separate body part, so that the correct size and shape can be fitted for any number of wheel and tire sizes, and can be swapped out if an owner decides to fit larger tires.
Stay tuned for additional cab choices and bed lengths, as well as offroad-capable versions.
filsmyth, you made a reference to the 3 stage plan of Tesla, the secret master plan, and it reminded me that I wonder how a Tesla truck would fit in it. On the one hand, the Gen3 has already been promised and a lot of people (including me) are expecting it and eager to see and drive it. On the other hand, I think by definition a pick-up would have to be, at least at first, a premium model with a large price tag. ICE trucks sell for a lot, so it would be surprising if an EV truck came out with a similar or lower price tag. The only way I can make sense of it is that the Tesla EV pick-up truck would be a new segment, a new product line, so it would start with lower volume and higher price. However, to help justify that price tag, it would have to be very close to perfection and also include a whole bunch of new functions that anyone would immediately begin to want after learning about them. Elon talked about the suspension, also low center of gravity and power like sports car handling. I suggested the torque could be on a whole other level, making conventional trucks look like invalids in comparison. I also suggested, like in a post above, that under one tail light could be one or more plugs that can be used, when the truck is parked, to power tools at a job site, pumps or other machines at a mining camp, electronics and lights at a family camping site, and appliances at home during a power outage, for example. Because of this ability to bring electricity to remote areas, this vehicle could probably be the perfect opportunity to begin to offer on-board solar panels at least as an option. If power needs at the site are low enough, this could provide a simple and elegant solution as an alternative to costly generators or a dedicated solar or wind system.
If the truck must have lots of torque, it will need lots of power but also lots of weight to be able to get enough traction to pull the load, which means a lot of that truck's weight should be batteries. In other words, the pick-up truck would also be the perfect opportunity to release a new EV format that has a lot more power, enough for a normal driving range of over 1,000 km or even miles. Wind resistance would normally be another major obstacle to that claim, but with the usual long shape of a truck, you only need to add a few small features like a convertible cover over the bed and dynamic air suspension to lower the vehicle at highway speeds in order to make the truck more aerodynamic than almost any car and get the most of the energy that you have.
So hopefully Tesla will be big and strong enough to handle the introduction of the pick-up truck about at the same time as the Gen3, the new Roadster, and many more. Also, at that time, a new vehicle with legendary capabilities, even if high-price-low-volume, will be just what Tesla needs to get free publicity and attract the crowds, even if they just end up buying a Gen3 "for now" because that's all they can afford or have room for. It would also be the best publicity in the longer term, because it will get many people dreaming of all they could do with such a truck that has power, style, endurance, and perhaps even the ability to recharge itself independently from the grid: you can't get more manly than that and it will speak to the instincts of a lot of people. T'will be fun!
Yes, one has to wonder how many projects they can juggle at once, and how far in planning they may already be for what I call the Model H. Yet, while some may feel the X is slowing GenIII down, GenIII is about more than just coming up with a newer, smaller model. I don't think developing the XT and XTX would delay the GenIII at all -- and as I said, the XT would be a good learning experience toward GenIV.
Okay now imagine a battery pack about the size of a small genset, perhaps of a different shape, small and light enough for 2 men to load into a pickup (or even the trunk of a car), with plenty of kw/h to run power tools for a day's work at a remote jobsite. This portable power station would come with a folding solar panel, and could also be taken to a Super Charger.
Not saying that adding outlets to a Tesla truck isn't a great idea, just taking the next obvious step.
The subsequent obvious step is a larger, trailer-mounted pack, a MOBILE power station -- or power WORKstation, where saw tables for example could be used in the shade of massive solar panels. Used more range than you expected getting lunch? Plug your truck into it.
TeslaRocks, were you the one who suggested something similar before?
filsmyth, what you describe doesn't sound familiar to me, I think it's not quite something I would have said. I'm suggesting the simpler option, since the trend for successful commercial devices is towards encapsulation and user-friendliness, whether you may like it or not as a do-it-yourself-er. I think a battery pack as a stand-alone product has lots of potential, for a good alternative to generators, and I agree that Tesla should offer it eventually, like how Honda sells amazing generators. I'm guessing the price and weight of battery (I noticed that's how Elon says it, singular, probably because Tesla considers it a commodity) will need to drop much further for a portable battery pack to be a very appealing alternative to gas generators and be worth Tesla's time. As for a pick-up truck, my suggestion is that people should have the option to buy a massive battery pack, since that would also help them get more traction and haul more anyways. For example, maybe there could be two options for battery packs, 120 kWh and 250 kWh. It would be like a light duty and a heavy duty versions. All pick-up truck models should have the utility plug(s) for external electricity when parked. Along with unsurpassed power, people would then have the choice between legendary range (~1,000 km), great range while hauling, external power for tools and appliances, or any compromise of these various abilities without the need to ever lift a battery pack (risk of injury, lawsuit...), worry about the charge level of multiple packs, or sacrifice cargo space for a portable battery pack.
As for solar panels, I realize that covering even a large truck with permanent solar panels would not have a very significant impact, perhaps 500 W at noon on a sunny day when parked in the sun. For most people, this clearly would not be cost effective until panels become about as cheap as paper, but perhaps there would be a smaller group of customers that would highly value this feature, even if only for psychological reasons. That's why I think that a luxury pick-up truck is the perfect opportunity to introduce solar panels as an option, which will cost Tesla for the design and integration and could be a loss if nobody wants it, but there will perhaps never be a better opportunity to see if anyone would be willing to pay extra to get it (and help eventually bring the technology to the masses). As for solar panels that are not integrated into a vehicle, whether installed on a building or portable as in the plug-and-play fashion, I think that should remain Solarcity's department. Panels that can be deployed temporarely at a camp site could be interesting, but clearly that is for very few people, although Tesla could plan for that and make the truck compatible so it can be plugged into the system easily and safely. Before portable panels should be used, I think integrated panels make more sense because they would be simpler to the user and always there on the truck to help charge it, although as I said even that is highly dependant on user preference and may or may not be commercially successful as a feature in the medium-term. But don't forget, if Tesla can sell a few super-duty trucks that have unbeatable torque and power, very abundant energy for itself and external machines, AND is covered in solar panels, even if the latter make little difference the image would be very powerful and the best "free" publicity to win over the last EV-skeptics or ICE-fanatics, perhaps even Broder. Tesla doesn't need that right now because they sell more model S's than they can make, but this free publicity and extra attention and recognition could come in handy when a quarter million cars must be sold per year, the early adopters are filled and the general public is still a little hesitant or unaware to buy a Tesla.
It would likely prove beneficial for Tesla Motors to partner with Solar City in accessorizing GenIV vehicles with PV, and I have to wonder how far they would take it...
Going to an extreme, we can imagine a team participating in the Baja 1000 with ALL vehicles and mobile support powered exclusively on solar.
...But for now, we have to weigh charging benefit against cost for PV as a permanent (or even temporary) vehicle component. However even if, say, a PV tonneau cover wouldn't be terribly effective at charging, people like the idea and would buy them anyway. Then again, since efficiency keeps improving and costs continue to drop, by the time GenIV is in production (or shortly thereafter) such a feature could prove to be perfectly viable.
Should be an OPTION, and let's keep the panels on the tonneau (or on the roof of a cap) if for no other reason than for ease of upgrade. An alternative to the foldaway solar tonneau could be one with a scissor lift, raising up to roof level or higher as needed, also tilting side-to-side when the vehicle is stationary as desired.
Why aren't we getting paid for this?
Even perfect conversion of the sunlight on a car wouldn't drive it. There just isn't enough. Solar 'cars' are big tabletop lightweight jobs, academic demo pieces.
Brian H;
The question is: Would a solar tonneau produce enough charge over several hours to provide an appreciable increase in range?
If you were referring to my Baja 1000 imagining, I was thinking of mobile Super Charger stations and a supply of pre-charged packs for the race vehicles.
While a Solar Challenge event COULD be held along the length of the Baja peninsula, the route would have to use paved roads...
Looking at this foto I was reminded of the correlation between wheelbase and battery size.
A standard-cab shortbed would have the smallest battery, a longbed crewcab the largest, with a size in between. While it would be possible to use one size for all 3 wheelbases, to save weight, right now we're looking for optimum output.
This is getting very interesting indeed...
Mobile solar is a delusion and illusion for a full-size vehicle.
Do the math, assuming best case scenario of 20% efficiency panels, 1000W/m^2 solar constant, 15 hours of cloudless sunlight on a fine day in late June, a vehicle top surface area the size of 12.6m^2* (implying the sun is at noon position all day long), and a driving efficiency of 1.14 km/MJ**.
* 6.3m X 2m = 12.6m^2 (Based on Ford F-150 SuperCab Exterior Dimensions, likely larger than a possible Tesla truck: http://www.ford.ca/trucks/f150/specifications/exterior/ )
**Efficiency of Tesla Roadster. http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/secret-tesla-motors-master-plan-just-bet...
Stir it up and you get: 0.2*1000w/m^2*60s/m*60m/h*15h*12.6m^2*1.14km/MJ = 136 MJ * 1.14 km/MJ = 155 km. Keep in mind this is an absolute best case scenario, impossible in reality because you'd be very lucky to get half of that. Also note that this is roughly 38kWh, if I didn't get mixed up, which is $2.27 worth of overnight (off-peak) electricity around here anyways (6 cents/kWh).
So you can see how most people would have a really hard time justifying a costly investment in the solar panels and related equipment, which I hear currently goes for $1.30/W at best, so over $4,300 extra for that truck. A commuter wouldn't need that extra charge, otherwise they would plug-in at work, and it is too little to make a difference on a long trip, especially when superchargers are an option. BUT I think that with a pick-up truck, there is a small crowd of owners who would at least consider paying a few extra thousand dollars to get panels for the convenience in remote areas AND also for the feeling and image that it would provide knowing that you can not be stranded, only delayed at worse, or more realistically that you can operate off-grid. The simplicity of the design could compete well against a generator system for a work camp and such: buy a truck and get a simple and reliable energy system almost as a bonus, plus it might cost less to operate than alternatives because you can charge up the battery in town overnight every so often, like once a week when you go get other supplies like food for the crew. The solar panels would just allow you to last longer on a charge, which is convenient. The panels would be most useful when electricity use is low enough such that the battery pack would last a while anyways, then the panels might double that period, which means huge savings if it saves you a trip to town.
That 15 hours is way off, it is more like 5 effectively unless you make those panels tilted and follow the Sun.
You're right and I know, it was a completely exaggerated set of assumptions to show that even that wouldn't make more of a difference. With all the assumptions that are more than twice what is realistic, the 155km extra charge becomes more like 10-20km on an average day if there is not shade, which is rare anywhere else than in a field or the ocean. To be clear, my point was that the solar panels would be more useful as a built-in mini power grid than to power the actual vehicle for driving. This is a very niche application and market, but still worth looking into in the case of a pick-up truck, I believe. Clearly not currently viable for a regular car, though, at least until there is a car so energy-efficient that 100W makes a big difference for it.
Someone asked a truck questions at a teslive event check out 31:50 in this video
It seems Thought has been placed into it but Tesla is focused on hitting goals to get to Gen3...
At that point it will take over the world & introduce all viable suggestions...J/K
A 1 hp solar buggy! What's amusing is that James Watt set 1 hp to be as strong as 2 horses, so Yoder is actually getting double the kick a real buggy would.
Sitting on my porch today, sketching, I began to think that the Gen2 platform's 116.5" wheelbase is similar to a pickup's. Just now checked Wikipedia and found that to be a bit short by today's standards -- shortest wheelbase for a late-model Chevy or GMC is 119" (while from 1960-'66, it was 115").
All I'm saying is that the existing Gen2 battery could be used for a short-wheelbase Tesla pickup. You wouldn't want it to be any longer than that, for a 119" wheelbase, given a beefier suspension.
Why GenIII? Why not MS?
I used a '2' instead of the Roman numeral 'II' in an attempt to avoid confusion...
Models S and X are Gen2.
So you did. Sorry.
I'd love to have a small pickup. GM and Ford keep insisting that they don't build a small truck, because the price difference between a small truck and a full size wouldn't be that great, but I -want- a small truck.
Also, from WAY back at the start of this thread...
Timo | July 13, 2012
"Problem with pickup trucks are the weight and low aerodynamics requiring larger battery. You want large battery also if you want to carry any significant cargo because the cuts the range even further. High energy consumption = long recharging times."
Is there any reason a pick-up has to be poor aerodynamics? Couldn't you make, for want of a better name, and 'Model X Baja' (or Model X Sport-Trac, whichever floats your mini-truck)?
Pickup truck has by default poor aerodynamics. It's a shape thing. If it has good aerodynamics it can't be pickup truck.
Here's the next 4th generation truck platform solution, a double battery system. While both are swappable, you can drive without the second battery. Both batteries are bigger with more range than the current 85 kwht battery. Say each battery does 400 + miles, giving you 800 + miles range with both batteries in.
The second battery is for when you need range AND you need to haul a load, say 2-4 tons, or pull a boat, flatbed etc. with two batteries, 400 miles with a heavy load is still possible.
Now swapping speed. 90 seconds is you father's swapping speed, 30 seconds is the new standard. With a Tesla cross licensing agreement with KNDI should do the job. This would be for swapping the primary battery that sits higher up in the vehicle and it only takes 30 seconds. See link video.
This makes possible leasing used batteries with a new truck purchase saving critical batteries which may be in short supply with mass Tesla EV production and home battery grid buffer packs & Solar City solar storage battery packs. It also cuts the up front purchase amount 30-40 %.
For the second battery underneath the primary battery, Tesla needs to design a new swap system that is faster than the KNDI system, say swappable in 15 seconds without even having to come to a complete stop.
Here's the solution, a forward push swap, instead of side to side like the KNDI system. The battery to be swapped is held in position on steel rails. Power is supplied by the primary battery as you drive forward slowly over the rails the charged battery pushes out the used battery, or inserts itself into the empty space.
Computer guidance and steering lowers/raises the rail to proper height and guides the tires and controls the forward speed.
On off electric magnets temporararily turn on to guide the battery to lockin position until hydraulic clamps lock the the battery into place.
This two battery system solves the problem of cargo weight lowering EV pickup range. And swap time is 15 seconds. Long rows (5 across) of these swap stations can be set up to drive through, like toll booths on an interstate. All billing is done wirelessly through the car's computer.
Vehicles that can use this double battery platform include pickups, commercial cargo vans, mini RV vans tall enough to stand up inside, other?
It also gives Tesla a cross licensing agreement opportunity with the Chinese. I think China is the only place Tesla can build a compatible 5th and sixth generation car competitive with world ice car prices in the compact and subcompact categories with the Chinese using a downsized version of the two battery system. In this case the second battery is mostly used for infrequent trips over 500 miles and not part of the initial purchase.
A manufacturing agreement to produce these small EV cars with Geely and KNDI would accomplish this. And it would allow a tesla to sell compact cars in China without import fees! Each company can use their own batteries.
The manufacturing price Tesla could achieve with manufacturing in China is $5,000 per compact car, That's with a double battery system; but only comes with one battery. Tesla could sell this "best in class" small car for $15,000. For excellent margins.
Selling the new compact with a used lease battery, gets the up front retail purchase price down to $10,000 per car, with a used battery lease agreement. These used lease batteris swap out using the KNDI side swap system. The secondary battery for long trips inserts & swaps out using my proposed Tesla forward drive swap system.
To build these compact cars, Tesla, SCTY & China would design & build from the ground up an entire city powered 100% with renewable energy, all houses & apartments have battery buffers, solar power roofs, chargers in garages, built in charging stations designed into the city layout from the design stage. Also superconducting electrical transmission lines to drastically cut electrical transmission loss. This city would exist t
to build 5 million EV compacts/subcompacts a year with Tesla owning 50%.
100% renewable parts suppliers could also locate in the city like steel & aluminum recycling companies.
And to give this city a name, I would like Teslahua (Tez-lah-wah) City, which I believe would translate as "Tesla Blossom" City. The cars could be called Teshua's (Tez-wahs) or "Tes Blossoms".
Hyperloops would carry millions of cars from manufacturing plants to rail yards and ocean ports.
I would think these compact Tesla's/Teshua's made in China plants would be produced using over 90% robots, and most of the Chinese workers would be engineers maintaining and running the robots and they would enjoy living in Teslahua City.
I don't anyone would blame Elon for using China to get the price of a world class Tesla compact car down to the same price point as ice compacts, $10,000 to $15,000 dollars while still maintaining margins.
The higher margin, heavy duty Tesla vehicles with double batteries could be made in the U.S. at a second Tesla factory. Starting out small with a lot of land & capable of being expanded to 2 1/2 million vehicles/yr with demo vehicle hyperloops transporting some of the trucks/vans/etc to ports or rail lines.
For a variety of reasons, I favor a location between San Antonio , Tx and Brownsville Tx. A demo people hyperloop to San Antonio from the Brownsville Tx Tesla auto plant would allow Tesla workers to live in San Antonio & work in Brownsville.
The factory demo hyperloop would also allow San Antonians to visit the Tesla auto factory , the proposed Space X launch site, and local attractions like Padre Island beach.
Devilstower, I also like small trucks, and would love to have the opportunity to design them when the time comes. I already have a pretty clear vision for the full-size American-style pickup, which I call the 'Model H' (H is for Hauling) and am now envisioning its little brother, family resemblance intact...
One thing at a time, though. It's probably best to go in stages when entering the truck market.
The easiest first step, in my opinion, would be to build a 'coupe utility' version of the Model X. I'm sure plenty of others have had that idea, but when it struck ME and I did a digital manipulation of an image of an X, it was the beginning of a passion for me. Even though it wasn't until a couple more concepts occurred to me that I began to take it seriously, suddenly this self-taught amateur automotive designer has found a company he wants to work with. I've been designing for over 30 years, if my teens count, but no other company has inspired me to want to do it professionally.
Oops, went off on a tangent there -- but now you know where I'm coming from.
As I was saying, it might be best to start of with a Model X-based ute:
...from which a lot could be learned for subsequent truck projects. Next should be the American-style full-size pickup, on a new platform -- Gen4 -- an expandable platform that would provide the basis for any number of commercial vehicle types. Short-wheelbase models could use the existing Gen2 battery, perhaps with spacers to allow for a thicker version.
Since we're talking batteries, I imagine the Gen3 battery would fit nicely under a compact pickup -- but I don't see one being developed until later, and even then only if sufficient demand is perceived to exist. But again, lessons learned from the 'XT' would help in the development of a small truck based on the Gen3 platform...
...and so I contradict myself, because there would be no real reason not to do both sizes of pickups at the same time. Not sure I'd expect Tesla to jump in with both feet like that, but they may already be thinking of using the Gen3 as a basis for small commercial vehicles, for all WE know.
As for aerodamnnamics, there is only so much that can be done, but with a flat underbelly Tesla trucks already have an advantage in that department. So far I still have only the ONE 'Model H' sketch to share, but I'll post it here again so you can see how the hood strakes allow for a bit of streamlining while giving it a more conventional truck profile:
I've been giving the future Tesla truck some thought, again, and attempted a few sketches. Unfortunately, I think they are even less illustrative than my words, so I'll stick to the latter and invite filsmyth or anyone interested to try and illustrate what I describe.
1-With battery tray heavy but low, truck has very low center of gravity.
2-Active air suspension allows to raise truck to tackle off-road, curbs, and other obstacles, but to keep it low when hauling, climbing an incline, and at high speed for better aerodynamics.
3-I'm not entirely sure how possible this is, but I'm optimistic because it's electric which means some components are omitted, but the flatbed top surface is very low to the ground when air suspension is at its lowest. There would be a few inches of ground clearance like on a typical car, a few inches for the battery tray, and that's it, which means the average person can comfortably step onto the bed.
4-The shape of the cab could be a little different in that it would be more forward than usual. A frunk instead of a huge engine can allow to bring things forward a bit. My drawing experiments have convinced me that this can go against the pick-up truck image, however, so this needs to be weighed carefully. A toy car I was looking at for inspiration had a nearly flat front face, like a city bus, but rounded with a lot of glass for great visibility, but I don't think this would work and still be called a pick-up truck. Also, a round or a boxy cab must be considered because it can greatly affect the image and to a lesser extent the aerodynamics.
5-Moving the cab forward could help bring the center of gravity forward a little. The whole truck should be lower than usual for a pick-up, especially when air suspension is low. All this will mean that the maximum slope this truck could climb could be unbelievable, maybe steeper than 45 or 60 degrees!
6-Finally, to help minimize air resistance, there should be something to cover the back when it is not a problem. It could be automated like a luxury convertible, or it could be manual like a tarp on a roller with a handle and a few clips. Whatever the mechanism, it would cover the box with a aerodynamic shape, whether a simple line from the top and back of the cab to the top of tailgate, or more of an exponential curve.
See it yet? If you want, please draw it and post for all to see. Have fun! Thanks.
45 or 60 degrees? Not even half that.
If the CoG is low enough and there is enough grip, maybe 45-60 degrees could be possible, but I doubt that normal car tires could handle that kind of slope. Sliding would be almost inevitable, and if car turns sideways while sliding you find yourself rolling down.
As much as I would like to think Tesla will build a truck I just don't see it happening in the near term.
If they were to offer a truck I would expect it to be more car than truck. The Honda Ridgeline comes to mind.
For a true truck that can do what real trucks do it looks like the guys at VIA Motors have a better approach.
An electric truck with an efficient motor generator to give more range, power and load capability while still giving the benefit of electric operation.
Yeah 60 degrees and even 45 might be exaggerated, but I threw that number mostly for provocation. Also, clearly that wouldn't be in an everyday setting, it assumes no other extra weight than the driver, tires would have excellent adherence with perhaps soft rubber like on race cars, and then it would just become a matter of keeping the center of gravity vertical projection more forward than the rear wheels. Climbing would be very slow for the simple reason that even a little more acceleration could make the truck flip backwards given that everything is at the limit.
If we forget about grip Model S CoG is already so low that it could easily climb 60 degree slope. Empty pickup would have its CoG at least as low (if you go low rider style) and also less weight at the upper rear section, so it would be able to do that climb even easier. It's matter of grip more than force vectors.
It would feel weird though. You want your seat to be upright, otherwise you find yourself sliding toward roof.
Watch the nose wave around in the air.


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To send mail outside of the U.S. you still get to use American stamps. Currently, postage to Canada is $0.75, to Mexico $0.79, and to other places $0.98. The stamp you might use to send a sticker to say, me, in Germany, currently has Grand Teton National Park. It's in Wyoming. I looked it up. You can also combine stamps featuring Navajo necklaces, Tiffany lamps, and Mary Lasker. Exciting, I know. But no obscure monarchs. No famous monarchs either.Honestly, I've sent no more than two letters from the U.S. to a foreign country in my entire life.
So I've done the ground work - any chance you'll change your policy?
--Laura in Germany
Speaking of selling unrelated items. How about a beauty parlor, chainsaw repair, and night club?Those really are some wildly unconnected items. I researched it a little but I'm kinda suspicious that Mable just gave her gay bar a clever name... there really isn't any chainsaw repair going on inside. Then again, if I were a gay guy in Denton, Texas, I might just keep a chainsaw handy. Being that they have a Confederate monument in the center of town, the only thing liberal in Denton might be their use of Tuna Helper.
[This] also happens to be Denton Texas's only gay bar. At least by the info i can find on Google... A combination only a little town in Texas could come up with.
"Luke Perry or Katy Perry or Tyler Perry or Dr. Cox"But I realize now that I was so focused on getting that Dr. Cox "joke" in there (on "Scrubs", the character's name is Dr. Perry Cox, which is why I did that) that I neglected to put in Steve Perry.
I see what you did there...
G'day Sam!I realized after I'd answered all these that Paul left out a sixth question, so I inadvertently filled out a top 10 list. So cowardly of me.
love this site came across it purely by chance... i was searching something on the net and came across your 11 most profound quotes from the simpsons list. I came across that list at about ironically 11pm and did not leave your site until about 3am after i had read what i reckon is about %70 of your lists, excluding the american sports ones as i live in australia!
anywho to my questions
1. Do you like the show scrubs?
After making a Dr. Cox reference last week, a few people asked me this. And my answer on "Do you like 'Scrubs'?" is like my answer on that question regarding so, so many shows: I used to love it, then gave up on it.
I think "Scrubs" basically outlived all the stories it had to tell. As a result, it started relying WAY too much on the "zany" people around the hospital (the guy with the hook, the old lady intern, Snoop Dogg intern, Ted, etc.), and that was a bad, bad turn of events. I gave up on it about two years ago.
But... I'm happy it's still on the air. As a writer living in L.A., from time to time I write these things called spec scripts. It's like a professional version of fan fiction -- you take a current TV show and write an episode, which shows agents/managers/producers/etc. that you could hop right onto a show's writing staff and assimilate into writing their characters in the proper voice and style.
Of all the sitcom specs I've written, my "Scrubs" spec is by FAR my best. So as long as it stays on the air, I won't look *too* outdated showing high-powered types that script.
2. If so would you consider an 11 best janitor moments list?
Ya know, the Janitor NEVER did it for me. Scrubs, for whatever reason, decided to have the three older males be three different kinds of mean: Dr. Cox as an asshole who, deep down, cares too much; Dr. Kelso as an over-it-all, bureaucratic, hardcore asshole; and the Janitor as a childish prank, irritant asshole. That's my least favorite kind of asshole.
3. What were your favourite cartoons growing up?
I loved He-Man first. Then M.A.S.K. (which I wrote about in Monday's 11 Mediocre TV Shows With Awesome Theme Songs list). Then it got a little more crowded with the New Ghostbusters, Smurfs, Gummi Bears, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, C.O.P.S., Tiny Toon Adventures, Duck Tales, and a variety of after school shows whose names I can't seem to remember.
I got on board with The Simpsons from the beginning. Loved Animaniacs and Pinky and the Brain. South Park. Liked Family Guy after it was canceled and was only on Cartoon Network... got soured on it once it came back to FOX.
I've never gotten into the Adult Swim stuff, Japanimation frightens and confuses me and, no, I never watched Thundercats, G.I. Joe or Transformers.
4. What is YOUR favourite list on 11points.com?
It's a tough, tough call. My favorite lists tend to be the ones that are SO far outside the box that they polarize the readership. (11 Things Julia Stiles Hates About Heath Ledger in 10 Things I Hate About You, 11 of Ludacris's Sexual Fantasies That Are Just Too Damn Unrealistic and 11 Occasions To Expose Your Breasts in Public, In Order of Classiness all come to mind.
5. Do you think the simpsons will ever end?
Yes, I think one day it will end. I think they'll probably bow out after 25 seasons. Not that it has to... I just think, eventually, it would be good to put it to rest and let the legacy grow postmortem.
7. Who are your 11 favourite non main characters on tv?
On current TV shows (that I watched or used to watch), I like the following minor characters: Moe, Lenny and Carl on "The Simpsons", Creed and Oscar on "The Office", Mac's mom on "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia", Lutz on "30 Rock", Leon on "Curb Your Enthusiasm", Butters' Dad and Craig on "South Park" and Bill Hader's Keith Morrison on "Saturday Night Live".
Sorry if the answers are narrow, I just don't watch all that many shows anymore. And I would've put someone from "Entourage" on there except that I violently despise every character that has ever appeared on that show (except Ari and Lloyd)... with Sloan being the worst of the worst.
8. Have you ever travelled to Australia?
I have not, but it's near the top of places I'd love to go to. I'm going to wait one more year though. Because at the rate that 11 Points is invading the country of Australia, by 2011 I think I'll be able to go there and have people to hang out with in every city. AND who will tell me the proper way to behave so I don't get sentenced to the boot.
9. Have you ever watched Australian Rules football?
Yes! A few weeks back, my girlfriend, my friend JD and I wanted to go out and have a few drinks somewhere within walking distance, so we wandered into this little pub a few blocks from my house. Well... we got there just as the second half of the championship AFL game was starting.
None of us had ever seen it before. We even had to ask a person in the bar to definitively find out what the sport was. But... we absolutely loved it. Amazing sport to watch. Absolutely amazing.
I Twittered about my experience that night and asked people for recommendations on a team to follow next season. I got a bunch and I'm still narrowing it down... but, yes, I'm totally and completely on board with Australian Rules Football.
10. You write a lot of lists about american Football, Did you ever play during high school or college?
I did not. I have the build of a linebacker -- I'm pretty broad-shouldered and have frighteningly powerful legs -- but I'm way too short and way too pain-averse to have ever really competed in football. Despite my height, my sport of choice while growing up was basketball.
11. Can you PLEASE work out international postage as i really want an 11points sticker!?!?!
I'm working on it! Worst case, I'll personally deliver one when I visit Australia in 2011.
keep up the good listage
People think I'm crazy when I tell them there is a difference between Diet Coke from the fountain and DC from the bottle...Absolutely. I'd even start a coalition of people who recognize that there's a significant taste difference.
It may be crazy that I will purposefully seek out a fountain at a gas station or a drive thru that I know has good fountain diet coke, but it's totally worth it.
I'm so glad somebody else publicly acknowledges this amazing un-bottled experience
From a trip my parents took 10 years ago through mississippi and louisianaThat is a great multitasking business. It's like the Costco of strange back-country general stores.
Also they want me to tell you they say hi and read the site regularly.
So, I'm from Costa Rica. Taco Bell is hugely popular here, mostly among the college-highschool ppl.I don't know... I feel like "Think Outside the Penis" would be the marketing shot-in-the-arm that Taco Bell needs. Way better than these terrible commercials for some black taco they're currently running over here in the U.S.
A few things: Taco Bell doesn't sell fries in the US? The best thing about Taco Bell are the fries... I actually go there mostly to eat these fries with beans, tomato, cheese and sour cream.
We don't use the "Think outside the bun" slogan. That's coz that would be "Piensa fuera del bollo" which 1-makes no sense and 2-I think, but I'm not sure, bollo is a slang for penis. Think outside the penis... not a good slang.
So what do they do? they need a new slogan. They came up with this jewel: "Man does not live by bread alone". A biblical quote. In a deeply catholic country. let's just say it didn't go very well. Tried to ban them and all. In the end I think they won, coz they still use that slogan.
And that's all, from the international Taco Bell corner!
If you're gonna do an ugly sports jersey list, this needs to be on there.The spooky part... he sent this before I published... but after I'd started writing... Monday's 11 Mediocre TV Shows With Awesome Theme Songs list -- a list where I give lots of dap to the brilliant "DuckTales" theme song.
It looks straight out of Ducktales. Also, Ducktales had the greatest theme song ever.
so i had a totally weird 11 points influenced dream the other night....You made this list that was the 11 places i would like to vacation least. but it didnt have 11 points. and you really wanted to go to the anaconda river, which was i think a substitute for the amazon. reasons: who wouldnt like floating down a river all day?If I ever did decide to write a list called 11 Ways To Avoid Long Lines At the Bank (which, odds are, I won't), I'm not sure it would include bringing ping pong balls. Unless you were going to use them to create a diversion, or lure the other bank customers into a game of beer pong.
so in dream world i was transported to floating down the river, though not on a raft, just kinda chillin. then as i was floating the whole lots-of-dangerous-animals-and-cannibalistic-tribes-along-the-coast thing came to mind and i was like "dammit 11 points! even though you said the arctic would suck more because it was cold and polar bears would eat you, at least i wouldn't be wet, being shot at by naked people, and have no clue where i am!" but then i swam to shore and found myself right next to my bank.
i needed money so i went into the bank. then i remembered another list that youd done: 11 ways to avoid long lines at the bank. one of those ways was to bring a lot of ping pong balls to the bank. i dont know how you used them, but suddenly i had like, 13 ping pong balls in my hands. so i got to the front, presumably because i had the ping pong balls, and i took out my bank card to get money, but then i realized that i only had my school id card. bummer.
but then you were there! smiling like you do in that picture with your bio. you saw the ping pong balls and were like "hey, you read my website!" and then you and i talked about your website and the ping pong balls for a while. i was surprised because you were very short.
then you left the bank and i stood there very confused with my handful of ping pong balls and school id and no way to actually get out of the amazon. then i woke up.
According to Ned Flanders, corn starch is used for "keepin' down the urges."That's right: Somehow, on my recent list of 11 Foods That Just Might Kill Your Sex Drive, I completely managed to forget that Flanders quote. (From the Pictionary game where the Van Houtens decide to get divorced.)
Another great photo you'll need...Do you think one day science will find that the part of the brain that makes someone filled with pure hate is also connected to poor spelling?
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IRVING -- The Dallas Cowboys were missing three starters from Wednesday's practice.
Running back Marion Barber, who injured a calf in the second half of last Thursday's game against the New Orleans Saints, missed his second day of practice.
Barber, who is questionable for Sunday's game against the Colts, hasn't missed any games this season. He missed one game due to a thigh injury last year and he missed one game in 2008 to a toe injury.
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Choice, who normally practices with the punt units, was on scout team during Wednesday's session, which would mean he's preparing for more snaps with the offense.
Starting inside linebackers Bradie James (knee) and Keith Brooking (foot) missed practice as well. Team officials have held James out of some practices as a precaution for most of the season.
Brooking, who has a sprained foot that forces him to wear a protective boot, is being held out as a precaution as well. He plans to practice Thursday.
"It's doing good," Brooking said of his foot. "I noticed a lot of improvement the last couple of days. Practice tomorrow and be smart with it and be ready to roll on Sunday."
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DMOPC '15 January Contest
Thanks to everyone who participated in this month's DMOPC!
Congratulations to the winners:
- gendelpiekel (perfect score)
- jeffreyxiao (perfect score)
- d (perfect score)
- Quantris (perfect score)
- Butane
We hope you enjoyed the contest! Editorials can be found here. See you next month!
The contest was set by members of Cygnus Computer, a competitive programming club based in Bucharest, Romania. Cygnus has contributed to the localization of the site (you may change your language at the bottom of every page), and is now running a Romanian-language version of DMOJ at http://cygnus-computer.ro/arena/. Thanks!
On Tuesday, January 12th, we'll be hosting the January Don Mills Open Programming Contest!
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Xyene commented on Jan. 12, 2016Re: Did anyone else get a weird p6
You are right; there was a space at the end of the value in two cases. I've rejudged P6 solutions and rerated the contest, and you appear to have been the only one affected. Enjoy the ranking increase!
Re: Submission results changed after contest ended
From 9:00 to just now, we were running system tests. I double-checked your submissions just in case, though.
Your P4 has an incorrect complexity for the / queries: the correct complexity for a query should be .
jeffreyxiao commented on Jan. 12, 2016Re: Submission results changed after contest ended
For P4, P5, and P6, there are additional hidden tests after the contest is finished.
r3mark commented on Jan. 12, 2016Re: Re: Submission results changed after contest ended
Admittedly, the fact that there were only two test cases should have tipped me off.
r3mark commented on Jan. 12, 2016Re: Re: Submission results changed after contest ended
Is this something that normally happens on contests?
Xyene commented on Jan. 12, 2016Re: Re: Re: Submission results changed after contest ended
For all DMOPCs, yes. You may visit the link above or the October DMOPC comments page for more details on why this is necessary.


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MOVIE SYNOPSIS [ General Audiences ] With the actor direction of Faustine Molyneux, Corina Desmarais heads the cast of this movie of Croatia and France, with dialogues in French (with subtitles), whose official premiere was scheduled for 2013. You can watch Jarden ensoleille online on TV cable or theaters with original audio in French at different dates. This film premiered in theaters in 2013.
Rating: 5 by 19 users./
Runtime: 64 minutes
Corina Desmarais, Franco Aucoin, Jack Lefevre, Filip Osojnjak, Joan Savard, Hector Roueche and Miranda Lefevre.
Drama, Family, Adventure.
64-minute film (full movie) directed by Faustine Molyneux.
The original audio of Jarden ensoleille has dialogues in or French, it was produced in Croatia, France.
It premiered in cinemas or television in 2013.
Screenplay written by Faustine Molyneux and William Gaddis.
Gilbert Verdin.
Corina Desmarais, Jack Lefevre and Faustine Molyneux.
This film was produced and / or financed by A Molyneux Film.
Without commercial breaks, the full movie Jarden ensoleille has a duration of 64 minutes; the official trailer can be watched in streaming on the Internet. You can watch this full movie free in English or French in movie TV channels, renting the DVD or with VoD services (Video On Demand player, Hulu) and PPV (Pay Per View, Netflix).
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MOVIE SYNOPSIS [ General Audiences ] Being a production of USA, this feature film of 2011 has been excellently directed by Eric Norcross. You can watch Caroline of Virginia online on TV cable or theaters with original audio in English at different dates. This film premiered in theaters in 2011.
Rating: 5 by 44 users./
Runtime: 100 minutes
Lauren Meley, Michael Scott Ross, Hall Hunsinger, Brian Corbett, Laura Dickinson, Katie Jergens and Eric Norcross.
Romantic, Fantasy.
100-minute film (full movie) directed by Eric Norcross.
The original audio of Caroline of Virginia has dialogues in Dolby Digital, it was produced in USA.
It premiered in cinemas or television in 2011.
Screenplay written by Jan Major, Hall Hunsinger and Eric Norcross.
Eric Norcross.
Eric Norcross and Jan Major.
This film was produced and / or financed by Dreamland Studios and Norcross Media.
Composed by Peter Dmitriyev.
Without commercial breaks, the full movie Caroline of Virginia has a duration of 100 minutes; the official trailer can be watched in streaming on the Internet. You can watch this full movie free in EnglishDolby Digital in movie TV channels, renting the DVD or with VoD services (Video On Demand player, Hulu) and PPV (Pay Per View, Netflix).
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Just a day after penning a new five-year deal with Real Madrid that will see him pocket £365,000-a-week after tax, Nike have announced their own new long-term endorsement deal with Cristiano Ronaldo that sees him tied to the brand 'for life'.
According to Daily Mail, the contract is certain to see Ronaldo earn an increase on the £14.1million-a-year he banked earlier with the Oregon-based sportswear giant, with reports in America suggesting the contract is similar to the $1billion lifetime agreement in place with NBA star LeBron James.
The 31-year-old football star says he is part of the 'Nike family for life', whether or not the contract is similar to the lifetime deals the brand have in place with James and Michael Jordan is uncertain
'I look at this new contract for life. I'm a member of the family but I have to say Nike, for me, it's the best,' said Ronaldo.
'They do things that no one else can do. I have a great relationship with this brand; I have great friends here in the company. 'They have specific people that work with me. This means a lot because it means I can give my feedback to them and they can listen to my opinion, so we work as family.
'They are very imaginative and they do unbelievable things. Sometimes they have surprises and I like surprises. This is my brand. 'Nike they are smart, they know how to pick the best one, so I'm happy because I'm one of them. 'This is the best contract I have in my whole career'


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DALLAS, Texas (105.3 THE FAN) — After a tough week off the field, Rangers President of Baseball Operations Jon Daniels took the time to update Ben & Skin on what's happening with the club.
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PHILIP WOO started playing music at the young age of five. He grew up in a very artistic, musical environment which shaped his future. "I am honored to be asked to share my thoughts. I was born and raised in Seattle, Washington in 1956. I moved to New York in 1976, and then to Tokyo in 1998. I presently live in Tokyo. I am Chinese American and part Native American. I love life and believe that my ancestors watch over me, guiding and protecting me and my loved ones."
Philip, what a pleasure doing this article with you is, let's get right to it in this part one.
No. 1) What is music to and for you? (generally and personally)
1.Music is my savior. Music is my entire life. It is a soundtrack to my existence. It is sometimes a burden and a task , when I am faced with my limitations. It is a puzzle, it is a maze. It is a hobby. Music is a never ending quest. I cannot even imagine not being a musician.
I learned to play by myself and from other musicians. I was also fortunate to have been in school at a time when funding was available for music education. Tragically, that no longer widely exists.
I listened to records and learned songs, chords, scales and improvisation through listening. Later I taught myself to read chord symbols, then the notes themselves.
The feelings that the combination of melody, lyrics and harmony can bring out were always attractive to me. Beginning with my mother's records, which spanned from Jazz to classical and Broadway and movie soundtracks, and continuing with The Beatles, Motown, all the great soul artists, to British and American rock, then Jazz and funk. I was born in a golden era of music in the world.
It was a time when one could hear songs that touched your heart and soul, songs that made you dance, or could make you cry. Songs that made you think. Here are a few examples; Aint No Way (Aretha Franklin) Someday We'll All Be Free (Donny Hathaway) Were a Winner, People Get Ready (Curtis Mayfield) A House Is Not A Home (Dionne Warwick) You've Got A Friend (Carole King) . I love the music from this era. I could feel the artist's message.
That was the soundtrack to my life.
I consider myself to be unbelievably lucky to have experienced a life full of music, and to have shared the stage and studios with so many incredible artists. People who are my idols. There is much more I wish I had done, but there is no room to look back in such a way.
Music to me is capturing the essence and sharing it. The feeling that is soulful, emotional, jazzy. Watching the listeners face light up when it gets good onstage.
Music is also camaraderie. Making friends. Delighting in musical chemistry between yourself and others.
No. 2) What inspires you?
Artists inspire me. I love singing, though I dont sing. I was especially inspired by Donny Hathaway. I first heard "The Ghetto" when I was 13. The soulful, emotive, raw, urban feel was irresistable to me. I love soul and Jazz mixed. And it is an instrumental song, basically! A person who can make you excited by playing their instrument, that is what that song made me want to be. When I bought Donny's album "Everything is Everything", it totally floored me. His voice soared. "Thank You Master For My Soul", reminded me that each of us has a personal relationship with God. Donny was also a brilliant organist, and gifted arranger.
Stevie Wonder was another inspiration. His transformation from a teen idol into a world-changing force was a wonder to witness, album to album. His lyrics were masterful. Songwriting!
Roy Ayers was an inspiration, and he became my mentor. In order to tell you all of my inspirations, I must tell you my life story, but a little later, OK? Then you will understand how lucky and blessed I actually am .
There were many influences, but they all shared the fact that they just excited me.
Nature inspires me. People watching inspires me. Beautiful women inspire me. Reading inspires me. Great writers make you think. Walking inspires me. Rivers, lakes and oceans inspire me. Travel is a great inspiration.
No. 3) When you are playing, creating, where does it take you? Where does your mind travel?
When I am performing , I try to live the song. In this way, the direction of the song is mine. If I am with my band, I might push the song in a new direction, create a new feel. Sometimes they get thrown off, because they set the picture in their mind, and the size of the song is already decided. This in one thing I don't like about Japan. Most everyone reads through a gig, and do not expect a variation. It tends to be the same each time a song is played. I come from a school where nobody could read, and we paid attention to each other, and not the chart.
When I am playing a solo, I try to express emotion rather than technique. I want it to be exciting and soulful. I dont think of what to play. I let my solo come out as a story. I tell my students this.
When I am writing, I keep searching for a feeling. When it feels right, I record it. I know when it feels good, and that the other components will fit into the song's foundation. My mental reference is the zillion songs that I have heard that just sound good. I remember songs that I heard as a child, teen and onward, good bits that shape who I am.
No. 4) Do you feel music, painting and health are related, and if so, how?
Music and art are intertwined. My family has 2 genetic sets, music from my mother who played piano and loved music, and art from my father, who was an architect and all around genius of sorts.
My sister and I got the music genes, but also that art genes. She is now a graphic artist/musician. I was for many years into origami and paper art. The symmetry of origami is very similar to musical patterns and expolations.
Health is related to everything. One thing I can think of is that music is fun to play, and consequently the stress of the job is different than compared to the life of another job. Not many musicians "go postal", after all. One can party too much,however!
No. 5) How do you feel when you are playing?
I feel great! I love the interaction between the stage and the audience. When the people are feeling good, and they show it, there is no better feeling! That is live music.
I have always been a little shy, and not a frontman until recently. In this era of social networking, I am surprised and delighted that I have fans from all corners of the globe. It really warms my heart, as I did not picture myself this way. I was always part of a team. I did get some attention, being the only Chinese American who was onstage with so many black artists, but I wasn't seeking that attention.
My memories of all the great times I had onstage those years are very dear to me. I played what I was feeling , and I was carefree. The people loved the music, and that feeling is a treasure to me, seeing people happy, dancing, swaying and grooving.
The world changes, and new generations have their own favorite music. I can't complain about today's music, because it is what it is. I still getcommissioned to write and produce and play with young people today, and I'm grateful for the privilege.
No. 6) Under what conditions do you work best?
That is a good question. I try to do my best no matter what the conditions. They will vary from day to day, and from job to job.
Ideal conditions are when the employer cares about you, and cares about doing good business. If the employer is an artist, for instance, hiring you for a tour, that person will try to make sure you are comfortable. Some artists are wonderful, generous people. I have been fortunate to know many of them. Some people just fulfill the basic conditions. That is also fine. But some people go much further, and it is a pleasure to work with such people.
If the employer is a promoter, and you are a leader, it is great for them to care about details that will allow you and your musicians to work in comfort. Knowing what to ask for, for instance if you are doing an event, a concert or club date, is a good policy. For instance, a dressing room, food, water on stage, a realistic time schedule, transportation. Most of this is common sense and can be taken for granted. As long as things run smoothly, that is fine. Try to think ahead. However, there have been times where an organization, promoter or tour manager is inexperienced, and the situation turns into a fiasco. When this happens, dont freak out, or blow up. Be businesslike, and dont give anyone an excuse to act stupid. Just try to get through the day.
One example of a fiasco: Traveling to London. The artist's manager had not obtained a proper working visa. He got angry and blew up at the immigration official, fruitlessly. The immigration official gave us 2 choices. Leave the country on the next flight or, until the papers were put in order, go to Immigration Detention, which is, basically, a jail. We took our chances with the detention. The manager returned to the USA. A member of Parliament intervened, and we were released the next day. The stay was not really that bad…we had a great tour, and a private tour of Parliament and The House of Lords.
A recent example: A Christmas contemporary gospel concert for a vocal school. The concert took place at a college. The sound staff and stage crew were employed by the college, and consisted of students, who had no professional experience, and no idea how to set up a stage, much less for 30 members. It took all day, in stages, while we asked for what we needed, request by request. I live in Japan, and everything happens politely(usually) and formally(usually). Translate: slowly The monitors,once they were connected, mysteriously kept losing individual instruments, or sometimes one thing or another would become unbearingly loud. It was frustrating, but everyone onstage patiently kept their cool, and we finished soundcheck rehearsal just 10 minutes before showtime. The moral of this story is keep your cool. There were many opportunities to blow up and curse people out for incompetence, but it wouldn't have helped. After the show, the early part of the day was forgotten. The audience enjoyed a great show!
One example of great conditions, and this time I can name names…Jeffery Osborne, an ideal example of a gentleman. In Las Vegas, he stayed in Elvis' Penthouse suite and hosted parties for the band every night. Every night at dinner, he would take the band members to dinner at the finest restaurants in the complex. He treated everyone with respect and as an equal, though he is very well off. Every part of working with him was a great pleasure. I love you Jeffrey!
I could say more, and there are many, many kind and generous people in my life,but on to the next question.
Thank you kindly, Philip for sharing so much with us in this part one of your wonderful article. Part two will be published next week!
Please make sure to stay tuned for part two next Friday! You are invited to visit Philip's links. Your comments are always appreciated, thank you! Enjoy!
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I am very pleased to see this interview with Phillip. I grew up in the same neighborhood/schools as Phillip. I was unaware of many aspects of his life even though my brother was one of his best friends. I am now so interested to hear of Phillip's soulfulness and complexities (mental and spiritual). Thank you for this…I look forward to the next session.
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Manchester City boss Roberto Mancini is in the market for a new centre-half.
The Mirror says Mancini will attempt to bring in a centre-half in January, with his long shopping list including names such as Paris Saint-Germain's French international Mamadou Sakho and summer-window targets Daniel Agger of Liverpool and Newcastle's Fabricio Coloccini.
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The most recent Census Estimate<1> was for 2016 and it gives Fairhope a population of 19,421 people.
The last Decennial Census<2> was in 2010, giving Fairhope a population of 15,326 people.
The city of Fairhope is located in Baldwin County. The 2010 Census gave Baldwin County a population of 182,265 people. This means that Fairhope had 8.41% of the county's total population, making it Baldwin's 2nd most populous community.
At the same time, Alabama had a population of 4,779,736 people, meaning that Fairhope had 0.32% of the total population of Alabama - making it the state's 37th most populous community.
When the Census Bureau conducts a census for a city like Fairhope, they draw a boundary around the area in which they are going to conduct their count - this is called a sampling area (or a polygon). The shape of the sampling area can be quite complex and it's important to keep in mind that the boundaries of the sampling area may or may not match the recognized boundaries of the city.
Things like the population, area and housing for Fairhope reflect the sampling area. Since the shape of the sampling area and the actual boundaries of Fairhope might be slightly different, it's best to check with the U.S. Census Bureau if you need precision.
The 2010 Census shows that the sample polygon for Fairhope has a total area of 12.07 square miles [31.3 km²]. Of this total, a small amount of the area is covered by water (0.02 square miles [0.1 km²]).
Baldwin County has a land area of 1,589 square miles [4,117.5 km²]. At 12.06 square miles [31.2 km²], Fairhope has 0.76% of the county's total land area.
Not only does the sampling area define boundaries, it also has a GPS location (latitude & longitude) that indicates a point within the sampling area (usually at the center of the polygon). At the time of the 2010 Census, the sampling area was located at:
Lat: 30° 31' 18" (or 30.52°) [Map]Lon: -87° 52' 56" (or -87.88°)
More information on this topic and the changes between the 2000 Census and the 2010 Census can be found in the section for our Census-to-Census Observations ... (see below).
Using the population (15,326 people) and land area (12.06 square miles [31.2 km²]) values from the 2010 Census, Fairhope had a population density of 1,269 people per square mile [490.1 people/km²].
In comparison, the 2000 Census shows Fairhope had a population of 12,480 people and a land area of 11 square miles [28.5 km²]. This gives a population density of 1,133 people per square mile [437.7 people/km²]
NOTE: Be aware that when comparing population density between the 2000 Census and the 2010 Census, there were changes in the sampling area for Fairhope. You need to be careful when making such a comparison, the differences are likely to lead to a misleading comparison. More information about the changes can be found in the section Census-to-Census Observations ... (see below).
At the time of the 2010 Census, Fairhope had 7,659 Housing Units<3> and with its population of 15,326 people, this averages 2 people per Housing Unit.
The 2010 Census shows Fairhope had a land area of 12.06 square miles [31.2 km²]. This translates to 634 Housing Units per square mile [244.9 housing units/km²].
From the Census of 2000: Fairhope had 6,000 Housing Units, a population of 12,480 people and a land area of 11 square miles [28.5 km²]. This gives a density of 2.08 people per Housing Unit and 544 Housing Units per square mile [210.4 housing units/km²].
NOTE: Repeating the caution above (under Population Density), be aware that when comparing Housing Units between the 2000 Census and the 2010 Census, there were changes in the sampling area for Fairhope and you need to be careful when comparing values between the censuses. More information about these differences can be found in the section called Census-to-Census Observations ... (see below).
Fairhope is located in Baldwin County.
The county had a population of 182,265 people at the 2010 Census. With it's population of 15,326 people, Fairhope represented 8.41% of the county's total.
In addition, where the city of Fairhope has a population density of 1,269 people per square mile [490.1 people/km²], Baldwin County averages 114.6 people per square mile [44.27 people/km²].
For more information, please visit our Census Page for Baldwin County.
To help identify the number of people who live in Fairhope and the surrounding area, we have drawn concentric rings centered on Fairhope. We counted the number of communities within each ring and summed their populations.<4>
When the Census Bureau takes a census count (or enumeration) for Fairhope, they start by specifying the boundaries of the area to be counted. This area (or sampling area) is a polygon and its shape can be quite complex - it may or may not match the geographical boundaries of Fairhope. It's important to note that from one Census to the next, the shape and location of the polygon can change.
If you need precision or details about the methodology of the Census, you should visit the U.S. Census Bureau for a definitive answer.
The sampling area (or polygon) given for the 2010 Census is 9.68% larger than the 2000 Census.
The 2010 Census shows that the total area for Fairhope was 12.07 square miles [31.3 km²]. Of this total, only a minor amount of the area is covered by water.
The 2000 Census shows a total area of 11.01 square miles [28.5 km²]. Of this total, only a minor amount of the area is covered by water.
While generally coinciding with the GPS location (latitude/longitude) of Fairhope, the latitude and longitude given by the Census Bureau actually indicates the GPS location of the polygon for Fairhope.
For the 2010 Census, the location was given as:
Lat: 30.521914° (or 30°31'18" N) [Map]Lon: -87.882336° (or -87°52'56" W)
For the 2000 Census, the location given was:
Lat: 30.526394° (or 30°31'35" N) [Map]Lon: -87.895687° (or -87°53'44" W)
The difference indicates that the U.S. Census Bureau moved the location of the polygon for the 2010 Census 4,499 feet to the east<5> of the location that was used in the 2000 Census.
The U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) and the U.S. Board on Geographic Names (BGN) have assigned a unique GNIS identifier (#2403590) to Fairhope. This identifier also marks a GSP point on the map, and that point lies within the boundaries of Fairhope. The GNIS point has been mapped to the latitude/longitude:
Lat: 30.524359° (or 30°31'27" N) [Map]Lon: -87.883814° (or -87°53'1" W)
The GSP location given for the 2010 Census lies 1,005 feet to the southeast<6> of the point given by the GNIS for Fairhope. For more information about this and the relationship of the various Federal Codes, please visit our Misc Page for Fairhope.
The Federal government has assigned various identifying codes to each community, county and state. At one time or another, the US Census Bureau has referenced one (or more) of the following identifiers when referring to either Baldwin County or the city of Fairhope:
The current system of identification is called the Geographic Names Information System (GNIS). The following GNIS codes relate to Fairhope:
GNIS ID for Fairhope: 2403590
GNIS ID for Baldwin County: 161527
GNIS ID for Alabama: 1779775
An earlier (and largely obsolete) identification method was called the Federal Information Processing Standard (FIPS):
State Code: 01 (Alabama)
County Code: 003 (Baldwin County)
Place Code: 25240 (Fairhope)
State & County Code: 01/003 (Alabama / Baldwin County)
State & Place Code: 01/25240 (Alabama / Fairhope)
Fairhope is located in Census Region #3 (the South Region) and Division #6 (the East South-Central Division).
While some people have used a ZIP code to identify a community, the purpose of the ZIP code was to make mail delivery more efficient by grouping addresses together. Although the ZIP Code doesn't specifically identify a city like Fairhope, it does identify addresses that are in (or near) Fairhope. It's important to remember that the boundaries of a ZIP Code can be changed, re-assigned or overlapped with other ZIP Codes.
The ZIP code for Fairhope: 36532-36533<7>
The US Census Bureau created statistical entities that they call ZIP Code Tabulation Areas (ZCTAs) and these ZCTAs are frequently confused with the ZIP codes that come from the US Postal Service (USPS).
ZCTAs were first created for the 2000 Census and at that time, they were based upon the USPS ZIP codes. While largely covering the same areas, the boundaries of a ZCTA do not necessarily match the boundaries of a postal ZIP code with the same number. For example, while a postal ZIP code can cross a county or state line, a Census ZCTA can not. They should be treated as separate entities with no correlation between them.
For more information about the various Federal identification codes, please visit our Misc Page for Fairhope.
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