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Here's another guitar-picking black guy you probably never would have heard of until some hip, alternative publication mentioned him first. On this recently dropped debut, New Mexico-born, New York-based Raul Midón shows why he's another hopeless optimist/romantic with a guitar.
Produced by the iconic Arif Mardin (who counts Norah Jones among his more recent coups) and his son Joe, this album is full of what I've now come to call boho bop: folksy, sparsely produced R&B full of uplifting, fanciful lyricism that's still poppy enough to play on the radio.
As usual, when a new, tradition-based cat like Midón hits the scene with a debut album, he acknowledges many of his influences on that album. Thus on "Expressions of Love," not only does he sound like Stevie Wonder, but Wonder also joins him on the track with his trusty harmonica. Elsewhere, Midón conjures the ghost of Donny Hathaway on "Sittin' in the Middle," and "Suddenly" suggests the Beatles' "Yesterday" both lyrically and musically.
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Overall, though, Midón's vocal riffing and rhythmic jauntiness will remind people most of George Benson. For the most part, as State of Mind shows, Midón has the potential to be another pied piper of adult-contemporary radio, soothing the ears of mature listeners who don't have the time, patience or intestinal fortitude for all that loud, aggressive hippity-hop.


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You're kidding me....right? She is the most beautiful and most talented singer on the voice. Coming up soon! :biglove
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Karla Davis- Airplanes
I don't like the start. She sounds shaky. She also sounds like she's ran out of breath before the ends of lines.
Christina is round aboutly trying to say she didn't really like it. (I think). Her claws have retracted.
Blake: I think you could do as well as you could with that song. (Agreed!)
Airplanes not a good match for Karla, too bad. She needs more Bertha to advance I think.
I don't think Adam making excuses for her is helping. It's too bad, I really like her.
Definitely needs more Bertha! It seems that their song choices are what is hurting them the must tonight. This one didn't show off Karla's voice at all.
It's nice that they get some freedom in their song choices, but I wish the coaches would encourage different things (or maybe testing it out).
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Erin Martin- Walk Like an Egyptian
Cee Lo I'm pre-emptively disagreeing :lol
She needs to be put out of her misery.
Nope, not feeling it.
Adam: I think Blake just bought a one way ticket to boner town. :rofl

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Korenix Unveils JetBox 9310 Embedded Computer for Harsh Environments
JetBox 9310 embedded computer is now available in a wide temperature model designed for use in harsh industrial environments. JetBox 9310 is a RISC-based embedded computer, system memory 64MB SDRAM default (128MB optional) and carries all major interfaces such as five Ethernet ports, two USB2.0 ports, two RS-232 ports, two RS-232/422/485 ports, four digital inputs, four digital outputs and one SD card slot. Moreover, built-in Linux OS and network essential applications make JetBox 9310 a powerful network engine.
Mistral Announces Curtiss Wright XMC-710 NVIDIA G73M Graphics Card
Mistral Solutions Pvt. Ltd., a leading provider of complete technology solutions and professional services in the embedded space, announced the availability of the XMC-710 XMC mezzanine module, a NVIDIA G73M-based graphics display control card from Curtiss Wright. Designed for use in VME, VPX and CompactPCI systems, the XMC-710 provides system integrators with an integrated high performance graphics display controller ideal for demanding graphics and video applications.
NEC Electronics Announces High-speed Optocouplers
NEC Electronics has newly introduced the IGBT drive optocoupler PS9301 and the high-speed couplers PS8302, PS9303, PS9313 and PS9317 (Distribution: Gleichmann Electronics) in a 6-pin SDIP (Shrink Dual Inline Package) with pin pitch of 1.27 mm. The 6-pin SDIP occupies about 50% less mounting area on the PCB than a comparable 8-pin DIP.
Ethernet Direct to Attend CEBIT Australia
Ethernet Direct Corporation, a professional and primary provider of industrial networking and communication solutions, is exhibiting the integrated Industrial Ethernet solutions with our entire range of Industrial Ethernet products in CEBIT Australia from May 20-22, 2008 at Sydney Convention & Exhibition Centre, Darling Harbour, Sydney, Australia.


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By Annie Murphy Paul, published on January 1, 1998 - last reviewed on June 9, 2016
Can a new computer program conduct psychiatric evaluations as well as trainedclinicians? Some psychologists say yes--and add that the computer may even catch problems human interviewers miss.
The IVR-PRIME-MD, as the new diagnostic tool is known, is administered by computer and accessed by telephone; callers respond to a series of questions by pushing buttons. Creator Kenneth Kobak, Ph.D., reports that computer and clinician interviews identified similar rates of psychiatric disorders, and that the computer registered higher levels of alcohol abuse and obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD)--perhaps because patients were uncomfortable admitting such behaviors to another person. It picked up fewer incidences of panic disorder, however, and Kobak, of the Dean Foundation for Health, in Wisconsin, says that the anxiety part of the test may require further tinkering.
So will computers come to replace mental health professionals altogether? Kobak says no: "This program was never intended to substitute for a doctor. We envision IVR-PRIME-MD as a tool that primary care physicians can use to better treat their patients," perhaps offering it as part of an annual checkup. Still, technophobes won't be reassured by another project now underway at the Dean Foundation: computer-administered psychotherapy, which Kobak reports has been used to successfully treat people with depression, OCD, and fear of flying.
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Netanyahu Blasts Klein, Lack of Fence as Economic Obstacles
Finance Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is sticking to his conviction that the economy is already showing signs of improvement and will see more rapid growth next year.
Finance Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is sticking to his conviction that the economy is already showing signs of improvement and will see more rapid growth next year. But in a wide-ranging interview with Haaretz, he says that two obstacles remain in the way of the kind of growth he expects next year: the lagging pace of the separation fence construction and David Klein, governor of the central bank.
If the fence is built quickly it will provide the security the economy needs, reducing the number of terror attacks, which harm investment and private consumption. And if Klein were to lower the interest rate faster and deeper, nothing would stand in the way of economic growth, he says.
On other issues, Netanyahu rejects Education Minister Limor Livnat's complaints about slashes in the ministry budget cutting classroom hours, just as he isn't impressed by Health Minister Dan Naveh's worries about running out of medicine. He says they should cut their bureaucracies and fire clerks. He's angry at the media for presenting him as responsible for the destruction of the economy and society while he believes he's actually saving it, fighting for a transition from the dole to work, at war with the monopolies, particularly the longshoremen's unions, and trying to reduce the size of the government.
Netanyahu arrives relatively late to work every morning but stays very late, and works long hours. On Fridays he meets with his outside advisers on politics and the media, a group dubbed "the submarine." Netanyahu doesn't go into every subject in depth, and is largely moved by intuition, based on a deep belief in the need to eliminate the monopolies, and reduce the size of the government, as many finance ministers have done worldwide, bringing growth in their wake.
Question: Today Haaretz published an investigation that estimates the extra civilian budgeting for the Jewish settlements in the territories at NIS 2.5 billion a year and the extra security expenditures at NIS 4 billion a year. Would it not have been appropriate to have reached a diplomatic agreement, thereby saving these astronomical sums and using them to plug the huge hole in the national budget?
Netanyahu: "First of all, it seems to me that the Haaretz estimates are extremely exaggerated. I asked the people at the Finance Ministry for an estimate and I received an estimate that is of a much lower order of magnitude, about one-tenth of the numbers you mentioned - that is, security expenditures of hundreds of millions and civilian outlays that are significantly less than that. Moreover, in the last budget the tax breaks for inhabitants of Yesha (Hebrew acronym for Judea, Samaria and Gaza) were canceled and the Settlement Department has gone down during the past years to 50 percent of what it used to be.
"Secondly, the question of security. If I am interested in defending the settlements in the north, I don't calculate the cost of security there. That is, first it must be asked where I want the borders, and only afterward the economic calculation should be made. Otherwise it could be that the most economical thing would be to barricade ourselves into North Tel Aviv."
But isn't it heartbreaking that deep down in our hearts we know that one day we will have to evacuate most of the settlements in the territories, yet nevertheless we are investing billions there at a time when there isn't enough for infrastructures and education in the peripheral development towns?
"The vast majority of Israel's investment in the Jewish settlement in Yesha, even under the most minimalist plan, is within the Israeli consensus. It is not at the expense of investments in the development towns. The question is whether you want to go back to a string-like state, 16 kilometers wide. How long can a state like that expect to last? However, I am not suggesting the annexation of the Palestinian population and turning them into Israeli citizens. In the end, we will arrive at some sort of separate coexistence, with some of the territory with its inhabitants remaining under Israeli sovereignty."
How is it that you've become such an enthusiastic supporter of the separation fence all of a sudden?
"This comes from empirical observation. I saw that when the terror attacks began, they were coming from Ramallah, Hebron, Qalqilya, Shechem (Nablus) and Jenin. There was one place they weren't coming from: They weren't coming from Gaza. The conclusion is that when they come up against a fence, they are eliminated. You can't argue with this iron fact. About this I've said that three things must be done: Get rid of the existing leadership, go into the territory and purge it and put up the fence. And I'd already determined this nearly two years ago."
`Ariel must be inside the fence'
But the Americans are opposed to a fence opposite Ariel, and a gap will be created there, and infiltrations will come through there.
"We must declare our intention of including Ariel inside the fence, if only because of the fact that Ariel is situated opposite Tel Aviv and it will give us the necessary depth. Together with this, it is possible to begin to build to the east of Ariel in a westerly direction and postpone the argument with the Americans, until we come to the question of the connection."
That is, we'll build a fence in the territories, wherever we decide, on our own, without any consideration of the local inhabitants?
"It isn't their territory. It is disputed territory, legally and historically. How much are we taking, anyway? When we enter the Ariel enclave and the Etzion Bloc enclave and the outskirts of Jerusalem, at most this is a matter of 5 to 7 percent of the territory, and if these aren't `cosmetic adjustments,' then what is? In addition, these territories are essential for Israel's security, to ensure reasonable depth and to allow for reasonable defense of the population."
That is, the fence is in fact Israel's future international border?
"No. I'd like to remind you that when we had to reach a diplomatic agreement with Egypt, we moved a lot more than fences. When you have a diplomatic agreement with a reasonable partner, you can move a lot more than a fence."
And if the fence doesn't help, and they move from suicide bombers to firing missiles at Petah Tikva and Netanya, would you continue not suggesting a political solution but rather build a reinforced glass dome over Israel?
Netanyahu laughs and answers: "No. It is obvious that the fence will not provide full security. It is not a hermetic barrier, but it does prevent the entry of a weapon that is more effective than missiles: a human bomb. It also thwarts the attempt to realize the right of return through real and fictitious marriages in the south and in the north, prevents the entry of illegal sojourners who distort our labor market and for all these reasons it is completely justified. It has to be built now, and quickly and unilaterally, without waiting for an agreement. As far as missiles and rockets are concerned, most probably this will happen, but the Palestinians will have to take into account that any firing of missiles on Israel could lead to the firing of missiles on the Palestinian territories, and this is a very, very strong deterrent."
You said recently that you are prepared to accept Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat's latest offer of a hudna, or cease-fire, in order to get some time out, because you realize that there won't be growth without quiet.
"We don't need to make truce agreements with Arafat, because they aren't worth anything, but we also don't need to shoot automatically. We should act only in accordance with urgent security needs, and if there is no such need then we should take advantage of the period of quiet, which in part has been obtained through deterrence, in order to put up the entire fence. The fence will also help the Palestinians come to their senses, because if they know that they have been denied the possibility of sending terrorists against us, this will advance their awakening, which is a necessary step in the process of future conciliation."
Unjust and immoral
On the economic issue, Netanyahu decided to go one step further and express himself more sharply. The statements by the government ministers who object to the cuts annoy him, the expected labor sanctions annoy him and above all he is angry at the talk in the media to the effect that he is the one who is destroying the society and the economy.
He, for his part, believes that he is saving the society and the economy as he works toward the transition from living off the dole to living off work, as he fearlessly fights the large monopolies and as he tries to make the government smaller and contain the bureaucracy.
Question: The governor of the Bank of Israel has said that it is not very likely that you will achieve a deficit of 4 percent in 2004, the debt-to-GDP ratio will also go up and therefore the long-term interest rates will also go up and he will not be able to continue to lower the interest rate.
Answer: "I disagree with him. We have an excellent chance of achieving the deficit target. What the government of Israel is doing in the economic field is transforming a centralized, inefficient and degenerate economy, which is weighed down by a huge bureaucracy and inflexible monopolies, into a healthy economy.
"The Central Bureau of Statistics is also talking about the start of growth. The direction is changing, the light has changed, the cars are beginning to move and the first to move are the ones at the head of the line, and they're the high tech. The main factors that are delaying an increase in growth are the security question that we want to solve by putting up the fence, and the second factor is the high and exaggerated interest rate that we are groaning under and that creates tremendous suffocation in the Israeli economy.
"In addition, this high interest rate has missed the course of inflation in recent years and has led to inflation being, in most cases, lower than the target and this is not in accordance with the government's policy."
But Bank of Israel Governor David Klein has nevertheless now lowered the interest rate by 0.4 percent?
"Can you justify an interest rate of 6.1 percent when inflation is nearly zero? This is a very high interest rate. It is the highest in all the world markets. There is no other country that is in such a deep recession with such low, if not negative, inflation where such a high rate of interest is imposed, an interest rate that inevitably depresses any possibility of investment and growth."
What should the interest rate reach?
"It has to be much lower, and it has to get there as fast as possible."
`I'm not looking for an alibi'
That sounds like a double alibi, because if the fence doesn't go up and then there is no security, and if the interest rate doesn't go down, you won't be held to blame for the growth that won't happen.
"I'm not looking for an alibi. I took the job of finance minister in order to rescue the Israeli economy, to bring this economy to the real potential there is in this nation and in this state and it is huge and powerful. Now we have a centralized, monopolistic economy with enormous taxes and huge welfare allotments, and it's all organized in a kind of endless self-righteous preaching about `social justice.' Yet we're committing a terrible injustice, first of all to the middle-class citizens of Israel who are paying huge taxes, and then to the weaker classes whom we are ensuring will remain weak for their entire lives and the lives of their children and grandchildren. It's simply a system that has to change, and I'm determined to do everything I can in the time at my disposal to bring about this change, for rescue and recovery and also to bring about prosperity - and I'm not looking for an alibi.
"We must make far-reaching changes in the economy, for the needs of our overall national existence as well as with respect to the economy, culture, defense and demography, for every reason."
What bothers you most about the Israeli economy?
"I'll give you three examples. Transfer payments are our largest budgetary item. We spend NIS 43 billion on National Insurance, which is NIS 10 billion more than the shekel budget of the defense establishment.
"Our transfer payments have increased in a frightening way, and we have created a huge class of the population here that does not work and receives welfare payments, and it is growing. It is clear that if we continue this way we will collapse and fall apart, and in order to change this we have to get out of the culture of allotments and into the culture of work and this is a change that demands political courage, exactly that, to face all those publics and tell them go out and work. And I am doing this fearlessly.
"The second thing is breaking the monopolies. Every citizen of Israel, every person who is now reading the newspaper, is paying too much for water, electricity, fuel, milk, mail, higher education. We are paying for our children's education, relative to the GDP, more than any other country in the world. And what are we getting for this? Low achievements.
"They're simply taking money from us! All the time. They're taking taxes from the citizens of Israel. Every time you switch on the electricity in your home you pay tax, every time you open the water faucet you pay tax, every time you fill your gas tank you pay tax, and these are huge taxes that come to tens of billions over the years, and this has got to stop.
"Every time you take a can of food, or buy a piece of furniture, this thing has to go through ports and then either the raw materials or the goods themselves are imported, and we pay enormous sums for every single product, because our ports are the most inefficient in the world. There are 100 leading container ports in the world, of which 85 are private. That leaves 15 government ports, of which seven are in China, but there aren't any strikes there, and in the next place is Israel with Haifa and Ashdod. Two government seaports with workers' committees that are costing me and you and everyone who is reading us tremendous amounts of money in every area of life.
Why not go back to the plan of establishing the Jubilee Port under private ownership?
"It wouldn't make any difference. Ultimately I want competition between the ports, and I have no objection to this being in the form of government companies that compete with each other. In any case you'll encounter the same strike."
The last dinosaurs in Jurassic Park
And how will you get through the expected strike, which will paralyze Israel's imports and exports?
"Not `how will you get through' but `how will we get through.' There's a problem here for the entire society. There are no longer any dinosaurs in this Jurassic Park; only we and the Chinese remain. Do we really want to be so different? Are we really prepared to let 2,000 workers simply grab us by the neck? This is impossible. It's simply something anachronistic. And if they want to conduct a public struggle over this, go right ahead. I'm expecting of the industrialists and from every citizen of Israel simply to revolt against this.
"Why should every single one of us pay enormous amounts of money, year after year, to a workers' committee that is simply taking money from me and from you? Why? What justification is there for this? What is it that we have here - `Justice for the workers?' And what about the rest of the workers who are being dismissed from their jobs because the merchandise does not arrive in time or can't go out in time? And what about the rights of all the people of Israel who have to pay for various products, and can't afford to do this, because of the inflated prices that stem from the inefficiency at the ports? Everything that is produced in the state of Israel goes through them.
"The situation is simply unjust! Immoral! And the struggle to bring competition to the ports is the most just struggle. And we have all the necessary means to win this struggle. I'm not prepared to accept anything less than the institution of competition between the ports. The workers can choose between a course of struggle and a course of dialogue. If they go into dialogue with us, they will benefit from it, and the entire country will benefit.
"Ireland, which was behind us in per capita production 10 years ago, is now ahead of us by $10,000 per capita and is ahead of Britain, because they instituted all those reforms.
"And the third thing is to shrink the government bureaucracy, which is enormous, and I'm also doing what is necessary in my own sector, at the Finance Ministry. It is necessary to cut down our large delegations abroad, first and foremost in New York. It is possible to cut Israel House down to half its size and get about $100 million from selling half the property and also get the additional efficiency measure of tens of millions of dollars from cutting back on the representatives, including the ones from the Finance Ministry and the Defense Ministry.
"In every ministry there are huge pockets of fat. The Health Ministry doesn't need to put patients in the corridor, there's no need to cut the budget for cancer medications and there's no need to cut the number of school hours - they should start firing officials, they should start shutting down units, and I expect the ministers to do these responsible things.
Let them fire officials
But Education Minister Limor Livnat says that it's impossible to cut anything in education.
"This is definitely incorrect. It is possible to cut the education budget, without cutting school hours. There are duplications at the ministry. Let them fire officials. Let them cut down the enormous army of inspectors. There is administration upon administration upon administration there, all kinds of overlapping functions, and I'm convinced that the minister of education knows all those places."
But the Health Ministry is saying that it will have to make cuts in life-saving medications.
"We are familiar with that kind of talk. How is it that in the companies and research foundations there are tens of millions of shekels, at that same hospital where there isn't single agora for medicines? This whole business is based on distortions and layers of fat that have been accumulating for years, and it's hard to go on a diet. Whenever I've tried to go on a diet, it's been very, very hard, but if you know that you are terminally ill, that you will simply collapse if you don't do it, that you've had a heart attack or two, then there's a big incentive for going on the diet.
"And we were about to have a bad heart attack, we were on the brink of collapse only half a year ago. We were about to collapse financially. The state could not keep its commitments and it had no way of raising the money because the markets abroad weren't prepared to give us a dollar."
Why not close the gap in the budget by raising the taxes on capital, or postponing the income tax reform for a while?
"This suggestion is the fastest way to bring about the collapse of the economy. If you want to ensure that we don't emerge from the crisis, then raise taxes on labor and capital. But we want to lead to more work and more investments.
"When you tax, you're going in exactly the opposite direction and the most paradoxical thing is that when you raise the tax rates, with the tax collection we have today, then you also decrease the amount of tax you take in, and this has happened in recent years. Therefore we have to decrease government expenditure and decrease taxes.
"I'm not discovering America here; I'm not even imitating America. I'm imitating Ireland, Spain, New Zealand, Canada and Australia, which suffered from centralized and monopolistic markets like ours and underwent processes of reform, which some of them are still undergoing today. We are making these changes at a very fast rate, and this is being accepted well in the world markets. We are getting excellent reactions from all over the world.
"People say that the way to make the economy grow is to take a rich man and impose taxes on him, and distribute the money to the poor, so that they become recipients of allotments. This is the conception that prevailed here in a big way. That the rich man will leave here is clear, and that the poor man will never work, never get ahead, never improve his position - this is also clear."
The price of water
Why is there positive discrimination in favor of agriculture as compared to industry? Why is it that only there the number of foreign workers is not being reduced and the tax on them is not being increased, thereby not creating job openings for Israelis in agriculture?
"You're right, at least in part. I don't have the ability to get results in every single thing. In agriculture we will have to wait. I regret this and I will make further efforts to save something more out of this budget. Over time we have to bring about a situation in which there will also be Israeli agricultural workers, certainly at the packing plants, and not just there. The Scandinavians work in agriculture. Life without work here is a function of the policy of the extravagant allotments on the one hand, and of the importation of foreign workers on the other."
And why is the price of water for industry and households double the price of water for agriculture?
"I agree that we have compromises in the budget. There are big distortions in everything that has to do with the price of water. Here too there is a monopoly, the Mekorot company, which has a huge surplus of workers who cost millions of shekels. And this way you're paying twice, once because of the monopoly and once because of the price distortions."
How do you see the silence of the members of the Sharon family in all the investigations?
"Allow me to maintain the right to remain silent here."
You see yourself as a future prime minister, so what is it like to work under a prime minister when you most probably think that you could do a better job?
"There's a little thing called democracy and the voter's judgment, and I'm a true democrat in every bone of my body. The voters elected Arik (Prime Minister Ariel Sharon) and I respect their choice. I want to tell you that a very good pattern of cooperation has developed between us."
We are on the threshold of a new year, and the atmosphere in the economy is bad, very bad.
"The signs are indicating that 2004 will be a year of turnaround. The economy, which shrank for two years, with the government unable to raise a single dollar abroad, has changed direction very rapidly and I am convinced that if we implement the reforms I've spoken about, we will get to a good place that everyone will enjoy. Growth benefits not only the strong; it mainly benefits the weak. Next year will be much better than this year."
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Scenic USA - Alabama
Shinbone Valley
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Inset photos provided by Bobby Meadows
Signaling the end of the Cumberland Plateau, Lookout Mountain and Sand Mountain make up a large portion of a ridge that runs diagonally across Tennessee, Georgia and Alabama. Here, some of the most famous Civil War battles were fought at Lookout Mountain, Missionary Ridge and Orchard Knob, marking the end of the South's siege on the key city of Chattanooga. So disastrous were these battles, Confederate General Braxton Bragg asked to be relieved of his duties.
Here at the southern end of Lookout Mountain, early history shows that this was once home to the Creek Indians. This long stretch of northeastern Alabama's Lookout Mountain overlooks the I-59 corridor and the scenic Shinbone Valley. Up on the mountaintop, the Little River is the only river that begins and ends entirely on top of a mountain. Down in the valley, this view along Route 273 looks over a field covered in a mass of wildflowers.
Long before Jackson's harsh Indian policies, the Creek, Choctaw, Chickasaw and Cherokee Natives all enjoyed the bounty of these Appalachian foothills, making this section of Alabama one of the most populated regions of the United States. During the late 1700s, the first few white newcomers lived peacefully among the Natives, negotiating personnel pacts with Chief Shinbone. Soon, settler demands for Native American lands were on the rise, leading to government intervention.
During the lopsided Battle of Horseshoe Bend in 1819, the Creeks vs. Federal troops, Andrew Jackson was convinced to push for the Indian Removal Act. Once Jackson became President in 1836, one of the first directives was to remove 15,000 Creek Indians from the Lookout Mountain area. Many were bound with chains and handcuffs, and moved on foot to Indian territories west of the Mississippi River. While the new country espoused its own ideas of freedom, this act all but ended the autonomy of this vast Native nation.
To the south there's another Shinbone Valley in Clay County. This area, about an hour and half drive from Shinbone Valley in Cherokee County, was the final resting place for Chief Shinbone and his family. Here in the foothills of the Appalachian Mountains, Ancel Butler Strickland reached an agreement with Chief Shinbone on a parcel of land along the Kichemedogee (Ketchamegherke) Creek during the early 1800s. The Stricklands remained on friendly terms with the chief and his family despite Jackson's Indian Removal Act. Stripped of his title Chief after the Indian War, the Shinbone family remained on the Kichemedogee Creek property until their deaths, buried on a little mountaintop overlooking the valley. The valley, taking on the Shinbone name, remains a tribute to this peace-loving chief.
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Parents hit out at Edwin Poots over gay adoption ban
'Adoption law forced us to travel to England so we could fulfil our dreams'
A gay couple have hit out at Health Minister Edwin Poots for trying to bar homosexual couples from adopting after they had to go to England to complete the family of their dreams.
Project manager John Davis (45) tied the knot with his partner Jason Scorer (38) two years ago but they were told they could not adopt in Northern Ireland.
"The process to be assessed for adoption is exactly the same whether you are straight or gay, the problem we had was that we began to be assessed here in 2011 and the process is very slow," he explained.
"At that time we originally went to our local Trust. We had to wait nearly five months just to get an initial kick-off meeting. In June 2012, although we had already applied and already had the first part of our assessment, we were blocked.
"We were told the law had changed and we were no longer eligible to adopt in Northern Ireland."
John and Jason, who live in Co Antrim, then approached Parents and Children Together (PACT) and from there the process moved much more quickly.
"We went to see them in October last year and we were matched and placed with our children in April this year," he said.
"It was quick by the time we found an organisation that actually wanted to allow us to adopt."
John said adopting is a poignant lifelong wish for him because he was himself adopted.
He and Jason adopted two boys – aged four years and six years – in April.
"We have our hands full – it's all school runs, but this is what we signed up for and I wouldn't change it for the world," he said.
While John and Jason have now completed their family, they are aware of at least three other couples locally who are facing the same battle they faced.
John criticised Health Minister Edwin Poots for applying to the Supreme Court for leave to appeal against the Court of Appeal's decision that the ban was discriminatory.
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This really makes you want to wear a lid
TandemJeremy - Member
When I wear one I wear it fastened and fitted properly - unlike the vast majority of cyclists I see wearing helmets. even at Glentress I reckon its a minority who wear the helmets properly
If you mean that the straps look loose when they aren't riding their bike (which you mentioned in a previous helmet debate), that doesn't mean that the helmet doesn't fit properly.
My strap tends to become tight only when I assume a bike riding position - hunched forward, jaw loose to suck in all that O2, neck extended, etc. If it was tight when I was off the bike, I wouldn't be able to breathe properly when riding.
Of course if you are looking at riders' helmets when they are actually riding, then that's just a little weird!
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Wearing a cycle helmet may increase your risk of a collision, because drivers leave less of a gap when overtaking cyclists with helmets than those without, according to recent research.
In some research where no one was hit. It is conclusive of nothing and needs to be done in areas outside of Bath as well- unless of course you are suggesting we all move to Bath and cycle with a blonde wig to get a few more inches of clearance- I bet it is not matched for location or time of day,vehicle, driver age etc.
My favourite piece of poor research!
Strangely enough, when a man rides along wearing a blonde wig, people gave him more room. I could have told him that would happen for free.
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For pootling along a canal path (low risk) or cycling on the road where lots of things you hit will squish you like a bug, there may indeed be no point
Friend of my other half fell off her bike while cycling through the village. There were no vehicles involved, I don't know the exact details of the fall, but she hit her head and was knocked out. She wasn't wearing a helmet & when she came round, found herself blind in one eye. This was several months ago, the doctors don't know exactly why she has lost sight in that eye, but it doesn't look like it's returning anytime soon.
Would a helmet have stopped her losing her sight? Who knows. I'd rather not take the chance.
A few months ago I had a stupid crash on the road & hit my head hard. I was OK (once I'd gathered my thoughts) & cycled home. My helmet had split up the middle of it and was wrecked.
It takes quite a lot of energy to split a helmet. I'm glad that energy went into my helmet & not into my skull.
Oh, and if i didn't wear a helmet where would my spokeshirts light go!?
I can't believe people still trot out that: "head injuries rates don't fall when helmet use goes up" statistic.
I've broken 3 lids. In each case, my head was fine. In each case I am certain I would have sustained a head injury without one.
The only guy I know who refuses to wear one smacked his head on the ground and was carted off in an ambulance last year.
I still think that helmet use should be voluntary but non wearers need to get real - it IS self evidently more dangerous not to wear one and furthermore, if you do crash, the people you are riding with are the ones that have to pick up the pieces!
idlejon - thats a helmet that is not fitted properly you are describing. I think from observation eh majority of folk have their helmets far too loose. My helmets strap is tight when stood up and does not get any tighter in a riding position.
Junkyard - parachutes are not a reasonable comparator. I am not referring to you as a helmet evangalist but the hysterical fringe of people who make these massive inflated claims and who want to penalise all people who do not wear them
I still think that helmet use should be voluntary but non wearers need to get real - it IS self evidently more dangerous not to wear one
Shame the actual evidence does not back that up.
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idlejon - thats a helmet that is not fitted properly you are describing. I think from observation eh majority of folk have their helmets far too loose. My helmets strap is tight when stood up and does not get any tighter in a riding position.
Nope. My helmets fit when I'm riding because the position of my head is different when I'm riding. I'm surprised that yours doesn't get any tighter - do you cycle with your head in the same position as when you are sitting? Of course when I say looser/tighter, I'm not talking about huge loops hanging below chins...
stumpy01 - fair points - and I wear a helmet for everything. But anecdote isn't proof. There may be - in a road context - negative safety things about helmet wearing or drivers attitudes to helmet wearers which may balance the obvious advantages. I could give you tons of examples in medicine where the obviously intuitively safer/correct option was actually wrong...
jimification - I was wearing a helmet which I broke, was knocked unconscious and was carted off to hospital and scanned after a fall at Swinley a few months back. Do I blame the helmet, say it saved me, or say it did not help? I prefer to think it saved me - but I don't know. As I said above - we know that skiing helmets mitigate severity of head injury - we also know motorcycle helmets reduce death rate. We don't actually know this properly for cycle helmets, I personally suspect it does for MTBing in woods. But the "self-evident" is often wrong
And that statistic someone else happened to trot out is part of the current state of knowledge.
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+1 jivehoneyjive
I'd venture that 30% of people I see wearing helmets don't have them fitted/placed right, i.e. tilted way back on their head with their forehead exposed or, in the case of a guy I saw last weekend, riding along with the helmet unbuckled.
If there were a way to factor in data on ill-fitted/improperly worn helmets into the number of injuries excacerbated by wearing a helmet, might present completely different stats.
Few years ago I came on a scene where a woman who crashed while not wearing a helmet--just a simple sideways fall going around a tight turn and she smacked the side of her head on a rock, caving in her skull above her ear. Not a pretty sight--she ended up partially paralyzed and lost ability to speak---with a helmet it would have likely not resulted in any injury. Got my attention---I won't even ride around a neighborhood street without a helmet.
if the chinstrap is in the right place and the helmet is in the right position then the strap tightness will not alter significantly in different head positions. I suggest your chinstrap is too far forward
For me it's not necessarily about whether helmets would help in some circumstances, it's whether everyone should wear them at all times in case those circumstances come about. For me it's not really clear that in general that's much more likely for cycling than it is for any number of other things where wearing a lid would appear laughable.
I still think that helmet use should be voluntary but non wearers need to get real - it IS self evidently more dangerous not to wear one
Shame the actual evidence does not back that up.
You are over egging the pudding there- if i did not like you I would accuse you of a gross simplification
That is ONLT tru if you cherry pick data but it would be fair to say it is open to debate.
IMHO there are two seperate issues
1. Do helmets prevent injury to the wearer when they crash - most folk say yes as does research except for rotation which is the minority of accidents
2. Does wearing a helmet reduce the likleyhood of an accident - probably not but then again why would it. Doe sit increase the risk of an accident - possibly but the evidence is not robust enough IMHO
Even if you accept it driver education is the issue here.
£. you could argue that reducing participation causes more deaths as unfit people dont get healthy but I am not overly concerned with that side issue tbh.
Most can see points 1 and 2 and weight accordingly. TJ can see point 2 and every accident in point 1 cannot be proved to have been helped[ reduced injury] by a helmet
The other point is the relative risk Junkyard. risks are low. Millions to one. Drinking helmets would prevent more head injuries as would driving helmets
On your third point junkyard
In short, we estimate that a law making helmets compulsory for cyclists may result in an overall increase in 253 premature deaths (265 more from reduced cycling, 12 fewer from the reduced pool of cyclists receiving fatal head injuries), with the overall costs of such a law between £304-415 million per year. In addition, there would be a one-off cost to the remaining cyclists of £180 million to equip them with helmets, plus replacement costs. A similar figure, of $400 million was estimated by de Jong (see right) for the costs of helmet compulsion in the UK.
Friend of my other half fell off her bike while cycling through the village. There were no vehicles involved, I don't know the exact details of the fall, but she hit her head and was knocked out. She wasn't wearing a helmet & when she came round, found herself blind in one eye. This was several months ago, the doctors don't know exactly why she has lost sight in that eye, but it doesn't look like it's returning anytime soon.
Would a helmet have stopped her losing her sight? Who knows. I'd rather not take the chance.
That's very unfortunate, but it's not really evidence of anything. I knew a kid at school we got hit by a car while walking on the pavement. He had some pretty serious problems for a while (including tourettes) but eventually got over it.
Wearing a helmet probably would have helped him a lot. But I don't think many people would start wearing a helmet for walking to the shops because they'd rather not take the chance.
I'm sure lots of people on here could come up with anecdotes about people getting head injuries doing all sorts of things. For cyling to be a special case I think it needs to be shown that it IS a special case, and AFAIK that hasn't happened.
I think as mentioned earlier the data is flawed. I fell at CYB destroyed helmet and pretzeled wheel. No report helmet took all the impact. Just online to get a new one. I know from many offs how my helmet has saved me from injury over the years. No amount of statistics will convince me I'm better off without one. Member of CTC as well and I see the same old data trotted out by them as to why you don't need a helmet a cotten race cap is good enough. Interestingly it tends to be the more senior members view.
Member of CTC as well and I see the same old data trotted out by them as to why you don't need a helmet a cotten race cap is good enough.
Do the CTC really say that about riding at CyB?
Next time someone asks me why I don't really use forums I'll show them this thread.
It's like religion.
You're not hurting anyone except potentially yourself so feel free to do what you want as long as you don't force your beliefs on me. It really is quite simple. Why do you lot try to make others come around to share your views?
It's just pointless.
Any thread with 'helmet' in the title and you know tandem fella will be on it. Again.
Stand by for a controversial opinion.
I think that the CTC may be a tiny bit against helmet compulsion and there fore have a very different slant when presenting the findings on the relative merits of wearing or not wearing one.
The CTC were also very creative with stats when it came to motorcycles sharing bus lanes.
I too am against helmet compulsion but not to the point where I would twist stats to strengthen my argument.
TJ, isn't there a slight inconsistency between
You simply do not know what the outcome would be otherwise
Makes injury worse in 30% of cases
What is the control group for the worse cases? Case control studies for this type of intervention with matching will be unreliable. I could however design the ideal prospective randomized clinical study of helmet protection, but sadly short of training rats to ride bikes, I'd never get past the ethics committee.
As someone who split my last helmet two months ago in a sideways fall (collarbone fractured ), I'm of the opinion that they are beneficial, on balance. And shall continue to wear one off road and in traffic.
djaustin - the 30% rotational injury was found in an experimental study. Dummies in helmets fired from bikes at various trajectories and the resultant rotational accelerations in the skull measured. It found 30% high enough to cause damage. I can't find the reference right now. There have been a few studies done in that way with differing results. but all show the effect even the TRL which is very pro helmet.
You are right - its completely impossible to ascertain after the event if someone gets a DIA (Diffuse axon injury) if the helmet helped or hindered.
Its a shame about the ethic committee thing. a decent study would advance knowledge a lot
Going waaaay back to page 1...
the neurosurgeon argument is he would rather have a focal injury that (sic) a Diffuse one.
I'd rather get hit in the head with a diffuse pillow than a focal hammer...
I've had a decent look at those ctc studies and also the ones they link to.
its great what you can prove when you are sampling from instances of the result you are trying to prove, innit!
I do most sincerely hope that the Omniscient Medical Professional never has a crash without a helmet....
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As mentioned in topic, I will be spending 1 and 1/2 day in Luxembourg.
I had read many reviews saying Luxembourg is a boring place filled with banks but the countryside is amazing. So far I heard of Little Switzerland and Valley of Seven Castle.
I will be bringing my parents in their late 50s travelling in Luxembourg. They are interested in scenic places so I thought Little Switzerland and Valley of Seven Castle would be a great places to visit. However, I am also aware that Little Switzerland are mainly hiking area and was wondering if anyone have been there and would that be able to do a day trip from Luxembourg city with just solely on sight seeing? Which would it be a better suggestion for scenic place to visit ? Little Switzerland or Valley of Seven Castle.
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I think you will find the city worth walking around for about a day, the ex castle cliff area is fascinating. I would also look at hiring bicycle and heading down to the Mosel ending up in France or Germany and catching the train back. Vinyards abound and along with local food can make a very pleasant day.
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I don't think you'll have any trouble finding enough to do in and around Luxembourg City for 1.5 days.
There are two major squares in the city center - the Place D'Armes (most important) and the Place de Guillaume (also called the Kneudler), and there is usually something going on in one or the other, especially if you're there on a weekend. The TI is located in the Kneudler, and that's where you can get tourist information.
The city also has a rather small but beautiful Gothic cathedral. Not too far from the cathedral is the Place de la Constitution, a square from which you can get a great view of the lower city (the Grund) below, as well as a spectacular bridge which spans the Grund. You can also catch a little tourist train at this square which takes you into the Grund, but it doesn't stop, just goes through. Alternatively, you can walk to nearby Judiciary Square and take the elevator down; once down there, you'll find yourself in a quaint little area full of various types of shops.
You can also do one or more day or half-day trips from Luxembourg City. In about an hour by train, you can get to Trier, Germany, that has a very famous city center. Alternatively, in about the same time, you can train in the other direction to Metz, France. If you'd like to stay in the country of Luxembourg, you can take a scenic train ride to the little village of Ettelbruck. It takes about 45-minutes each way.
If you're a WWII buff, you can go to Patton's Grave in the American cemetery in Hamm, a suburb of Luxembourg City. Or, if you don't mind renting a car, you can get to Bastogne in about an hour (but weekends are very crowded).
Enjoy Luxembourg City and its surrounding area!
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Thank you very much !! Very informatif and I'm not relaly a WWII fans. I'm more towards scenery person, loves taking photograph so I will visit places that is beautiful.
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Well...I was in Luxembourg City in May (click on my name to read my trip report) for 1.5 days. Granted, it rained part of the time while I was there, but I was not particularly taken with the city - and I'm a photographer as well. At least, I'd say that about Luxembourg City - not a bad place to visit, just not very exciting or, in my opinion, particularly photogenic. I visited Belgium after Luxembourg and found the photography there (Ghent, Bruges, and Leuven especially plus Brussels and Antwerp) much more interesting.
The country of Luxembourg, though, is quite beautiful. I took trains and buses out to Diekirch and Vianden (very easy) and found both town charming (Vianden is clearly the more charming and more visited of the two, with the castle above the town). I've put the country on my places to go back to someday - in better weather! - to see more of the towns, but I would not go out of my way to return to Luxembourg City.
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is the countryside accessible by public transport as I do not drive? Thanks.
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The small towns are generally accessible by bus (or a few by train), yes. I took the train from Luxembourg City to Diekirch and the bus from there to Vianden. I considered taking the bus to other towns but didn't really have time. It looked easy. 4 euros for a day pass - unlimited use of all buses and trains in the country! (OK, it's a small country...)
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So it would be able to do a countryside tour as in out of the city tour in a day? I woule like to go to Little Switzerland, have you been there? Also, any recommendation picturesque places in Luxembourg that I should not missed?
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I was in Luxembourg for 3 days and saw most of the country. The Southern park of the country is not worth it. Some of the best places I enjoyed were: Echternach, Vianden, Clervaux, Bourschied castle and Esch-Sur-Sure. Ettlebruck has a small but nice WWII musuem. Stay as far away as possible city, I hated it.
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Samantha, I didn't see much of the country as I was there only 1.5 days (and it rained some of that time). I saw only Luxembourg City, the American military cemetery (in Hamm, a suburb of the city), plus Diekirch and Vianden, all by bus or train. If you wanted to see a number of towns in a day on your own by public transit, you could probably figure out how to see at least three of them. I looked at how to do that when I was planning to stay an extra night - looked very doable. I don't know of any guided tour but perhaps there is one. I didn't go to Little Switzerland. Echternach was one of the towns I had also hoped to visit but didn't make it to.
You can see my Luxembourg trip report (click on my name) to see my pictures and you can decide if you think the places I visited were picturesque.
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Sorry forgot somethings. Little Switzerland is also known as Mullerthal and is in East Luxembourg. Is is extremely tiny and I drove through it in about 2-3 hours including stops. Esch-sur-sure is a gorgeous little stop. I hate to admot it, but I walk 2 miles one way to the very dissapoiting waterfall Shciesentumpel. The whole area has a population of about 150 people.
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Does anybody have a plexi walkthru insert in their boat and if so, did they make it, order it? Photos? Im interested in fabricating something like this for my LSV.
It is possible to make one, time and patience are the key. I made one for my 02ls
and it worked great. I add'd the bow filler piece and was modifying it and put a
crack in it about 6 inches from the bottom, but I have all new plexi to redo. The
most important part is cutting the piece out of a larger stock plexi. I used 1/4 inch
and it is not happy about cutting (super fine metal cutting blade jig saw) and slow
speed. If you do not go slow it will seal the plexi right behind your cut. Propane
torch and a 2 inch pipe and a clean work surface are very important. To make
bends or curves heat the opposite side to the direction you want to go but not to
close. My insert tapered at the botton just resting on the ski locker and I put a
strip of weatherstrip on the bottom to seal it. The sides I did the same thing
but put the weaterstrip on the inside so it touched the edge next to the front seat
cushion. I then curved the top to roll over to the walk thru window. The air
pressure held it in place and it did not move. I thought about puttting a track to
hold it ala "BU" but was not satisfied with the look and feared someone might
catch themselves on a rounded edge. I try to post a pic when I get home.
This was one of the first things I added to my boat this winter. I think my kids will appreciate it this season. I haven't tried it yet because the weather here sucks.
I made a mock up out of wood and took it to a local plastics shop. They used 1/2in plexiglass and it turned out OK. I used fine sandpaper to round out all the edges. I don't know why I opted for the smoke finish. If I had to do it again, I'd use the clear stuff. I uploaded a couple of photos in my album.
i think it looks awesome!
nice job
I am also going to add a heater later this year. Those two upgrades should extend my season by at least a month.
Great looking project there. Would you be able to provide more specifics? Where did you get the channels that hold the plexi? The rubber strip on the top, is that something from a door seal? Is that Lexan or actual Plexiglas? Id like to duplicate this so any further information would be greatly appreciated.
That does look great! I'm sure it will make a huge difference. We've used everything from backpacks to beachtowels to me sitting backwards in that little space to block the wind on a cold day. The heater was one of the first things we added to our boat and although it pumps out some very hot air, that warmth doesn't stick around long if you have 20mph wind coming from the front.
I was originally designing a setup just like the one you did. But with 2 kids under 2 years old, the metal channel just won't work for us. I'm working on having a piece of canvas (same material as my stock logo cover) sewn to fill that space. I'm going to put snaps on the edge of the fiberglass just as it goes from the bow to the walk-thru. The canvas will strech taught across the snaps and hopefully get the job done. I'll post some pics when it's all done, but now that it's in the 90's here, it might be fall before I get focused on that project again.
Not sure if they're still offered, but my 2003 came with a factory snap in wind screen made from the same vinyl used for the seats. Wonder what a dealer would charge for the factory screen? An upholstry shop should be able to whip one up for around $50.
Not sure if they're still offered, but my 2003 came with a factory snap in wind screen made from the same vinyl used for the seats. Wonder what a dealer would charge for the factory screen? An upholstry shop should be able to whip one up for around $50.
Thanks guys. There is a good description on the how-to section on wakesiderides. Originally, I made the rails and windblock out of wood hoping to get them glassed and gel-coated. The local shop owners told me it wouldn't work. One of them referred me to a plastics shop.
I opted for half inch thick smoked plastic. It has a handle glued on top. I don't know the exact material used.
The rails are made out of the same stock material. 1/2" tall, about 1" wide, with the channels 5/16" deep. All the edges were rounded with sandpaper. The plastic was surprisingly easy to sand.
It involved some drilling. I used masking tape, drilling slow in reverse. Also sanded the holes and applied a light coat of clear silicone. I'm hoping the gelcoat won't crack. My other concern was the amount of flex the hull may have in rough water. But I haven't taken the boat out yet.
The black rubber part is automotive weather-stripping material bought at the local Autozone. I used gorilla glue. The whole thing costed a little over $100. SC offers a canvas snap-on windblock. A friend has a MC with one. It does the job, but I didn't like how it looks.
My previous boat was an I/O with a cuddy cabin. My kids love the new boat but not how cold it can get. I think this will work well especially with the addition of a heater.
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|August 29, 2013, 11:04 AM
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Thinking out loud about a bbq gun
Hey y'all.
I have two revolvers now, a 4" redhawk in 45 Colt for field carry and a 3.75" birdshead New Vaquero in 45 Colt as my appendiceal carry CCW.
I am thinking about a third gun, for open carry around town.
I am a working man, so a full on 100% engraved coverage with grip panels from the first elephant I took in Africa as a teenager ain't happening. I have never been to Africa and I don't see taking an elephant happening in this lifetime.
Rather than Texas style BBQ I am saving up for more of a "bbq" gun.
So far I am thinking a 4.75" Colt SAA in blue/ case hardended chambered 45Colt of course with "about" 25% engraving coverage and "something" for grips.
The look I want is "this gun belonged to my great great grandfather and ain't it cool."
For the engraving I am thinking I'll spread the 25% coverage around pretty even with a little curlicue here and there all over rather than slather one area and leave other areas plain. I have looked at hundreds of images on google and haven't seen the engraving I want yet, I might need to ask Colt to do like 15% coverage or something....
I am torn on grips too. I really want elk with some bark or walrus ivory or something, but every one I talk to is telling me all those sorts of grips (big horn sheep horn, buffalo horn) will shrink or crack or peel or something. What I am hearing is for an item to last many generations I really need either plastic (no) or wood stabilized in an epoxy bath.
So, does anyone know of an engraved gun that looks manly and cared for, valued, without looking like a museum piece or overdone?
What about oak as a grip material? I have some really really nice hybrid oak pieces just loaded with rays, just amazing stuff when quartersawn. I understand oak is quite porous and somewhat heavy comared to walnut- but really, is it that heavy? Can the epoxy not fill up the pores completely?
Right now I am looking at burl maple, birdseye maple or maybe holly among the woods that have been used before, but I don't love any of them.
Probably two years to complete this project, assuming the dishwasher really does break next time it makes that funny noise.
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|August 29, 2013, 11:26 AM
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Since this will be a BBQ gun and for open carry and will likely spend most of it's time holstered, I think the most important aspect will be the grip's as that will be seen the most. As far as engraving, I think a spot you should certainly get engraved is the back strap of the grip, because once again that will be seen the most.
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|August 29, 2013, 12:47 PM
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Thanks for the opinion dragline, I haven't seen one like that yet. I can visualize the "why bother" look though, thanks.
Poking around on the net the 100% coverage is just not what I am looking for.
The 75% coverage, just too much.
I know this is going to cost, but I just wouldn't want that much on this gun even if it was "free."
The 50% coverage guns are starting looking like "just a little too much", and the 25% coverage guns are starting to look (to me) like they have "enough" engraving on 'em, I just haven't cared for the way it is spread around.
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No disrespect intended, but you are about to be the Jim Dandy of your town. You might want to find an antique 18 size pocket watch and watch fob or chain to go with it.
I have a collection of pocket watches and have worn a few from time to time. They certainly will draw the eye of those around you. I suspect a handgun will be even more conspicuous.
|August 29, 2013, 02:44 PM
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For a holster for a 'peacemaker" or clone I recommend the Mernickle PS6SA
I have a Cimarron 5 1/2" Artillery Model 45 colt and one of those holsters.
It is in Saddle Tan color. Here is a pic of the holster and gun.
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|August 29, 2013, 02:56 PM
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For a real deal BBQ gun it is a big time rule that it must be in a fancy looking rig. Preferably adorned with the hide of a critter that would make the PETA folks wet thier pants when they see it. A clone gun would work just as well. Then you can actualy afford to have it engraved, or a case hardened finsih applied. A nice set of sanbar stag grips, or well carved wood, with engraving that matches either the gun, or holster. Extra bling points if all 3 have a matching design scheeme. If you have boots, and a cow boy hat band that all go with the gun, and holster you are in buisness.
Ok all that asside. I would say as long as it looks real nice it would work well for you.
Oh and the old school Texas Rangers had a BBQ gun for the anual BBQ. It would be the flashiest one they have. (No keeping up with the Jones' on them. More like one upping the Jones', and the Smith's kind of gun.)
They would also have a nice hoster, and gun that were more toned down, but still real nice for going to court. It was called the "court gun."
Then they had thier work gun.
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|August 29, 2013, 03:30 PM
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I agree with you on the engraving. I don't care for 100% coverage at all but prefer 50-75%. I don't see a problem with 25% either if done properly. If you're torn on coverage, you can be very specific on the parts you want engraved and where you want your spaces to be. I like engraving at the breech end of the barrel and at the muzzle but with some space in-between. While I think an unembellished hammer, loading gate, ejector housing or grip frame looks unfinished. I specified that I wanted those parts done, as well as the sides of the triggerguard and the "shovel". I don't see why you couldn't get that done on a 4¾" SAA for well under $500. I have a sixgun with Michael Gouse right now receiving 75% coverage in American scroll in the Helfricht style and it will be done shortly. Then it's going to Turnbull for finish work and the whole thing shouldn't much more than 4-6wks.
Jim Downing is also very well reputed.
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Go to the Texas Ranger museum in Waco....ya gotta' have a 1911 or SAA as the foundation. 44-40 or 38 Super would add to the glitter...engraving..nickel, ivory or stag etc...then you would be cool.
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Not sure how much I can contribute to the thread. But here are a few of my thoughts.
First a BBQ gun has to be big, a snubby .38 Special will not cut it. Next it should be something shiny. Stainless steel is great but nickel plated would probably be preferable.
And absolutely without question it has to be worn in a nice strong side, LEATHER, belt holster.
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|August 29, 2013, 06:10 PM
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Thanks for the idea of a "court gun" as a step up from the working gun, but not all out like a BBQ gun.
Not that I'll be carrying a gun into a courthouse anytime soon.
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|August 30, 2013, 08:08 AM
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Bob I agree on the grips. Since I took that photo of my Cimarron, I have removed the polyurethane from the walnut grips and oiled them down. They now look like those from the 1800's. I always wondered "why make a replica of a peacemaker and put poly on the wood grips?" Come to think of it, all my wooden stocked firearms have an oil finish.
I see you have the same holster. Nice aren't they. Simply Rugged makes some nice cartridge pouches also. Their pancake holster, however, is not as fancy as the Mernickle. I have both brands of holster. SR's pancake does protect the gun more and I carry it in that when out in the pasture.
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|August 30, 2013, 10:48 AM
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Nice lookin' guns, Bob, you've got good taste in revolvers! And the grips are first rate, pretty as pictures...and while I do love walnut with a good grain or burl, I've seen some other woods that make up into a nice pair of grips...the ones below, gracing a NV in .45 Colt, I made up out of piece of crab apple from a friends wood pile. Love that flame grain...The others were cut from scraps laying about my woodshop....Best Regards, Rod
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|September 2, 2013, 12:38 AM
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First off, I'm with you in that I don't like guns with 100% (or 75%) engraving. I do agree that 25% may not be enough if distributed evenly over the whole gun. 33-50% may be okay if tastefully done. Alas, my personal opinion is that I would weight the engraving more toward rear of the gun with just a tasteful touch on the barrel.
I would use polished bone for the grips, personally. The mother of pearl grips have always turned me off, but good polished bone or ivory (I'm a bit of a conservationist so I would prefer the bone) tastefully done would look good and last quite a while. If you went with wood, it wouldn't be oak. I would want a good grained cherry or knurled English Walnut personally. Also, I think contrast helps a BBQ gun quite a bit. For example, a blued or case hardened finish with polished trigger and hammer. I'm not into gold plated accessories, though.
+1 on the the matching holster. Plus, one other accessory would really set it off. The hat band was a good idea.
|September 2, 2013, 11:15 AM
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This would be my BBQ gun. The only engraving is my name, rank, badge number and Department.
Perhaps your initials gold inlaid in the sideplate or the backstrap?
El Paso is a good go to source for BBQ rigs.
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