text: Kudos to those who, upon glancing at the title, caught the allusion to Tom Hornbein's excellent account of the 1963 American Mount Everest expedition. Unfortunately, the account of my own ascent of Leatherman Peak--a grand summit to be certain--lacks somewhat the epic nature of Hornbein's narrative. Nevertheless... Living in Missoula, MT has its advantages. The valley is surrounded by numeruous mountain ranges that offer stellar hiking/climbing within a short drive. However, the grass is always greener elsehwere, and I found myself continually drawn (during my college tenure) far to the south, toward the peaks of eastern Idaho...most prominently, the Lost River Range. One weekend, on a spur of the moment decision, I drove the 300 something miles down and climbed Mount Borah. Having thus whetted my appetite, I returned to the Lost Rivers a year later, with the intent to climb Leatherman. Sawmill Gulch seemed to offer the most logical approach to the peak--on the map at least--so that is route I took, reaching the western base of the Lost Rivers late in the afternoon. The road from the highway is exceedingly rough, like driving up an old streambed, and I didn't get too far up it before having to stop, well below even the lower treeline. Having brought along a pack with tent and sleeping bag, I figured this would cut time off the ascent tomorrow (and give me something to do in the hours before the sun went down) so off I went with the infernal sun beating down and grasshoppers clacking around by the hundreds. As anyone interested in climbing the Lost Rivers should, I had armed myself with a copy of Tom Lopez's guide and memorized the access description, bearing particularly in mind Lopez's note that the trail up Sawmill Gulch takes off uphill in a patch of trees "at the first switchback." The trail was not as obvious as I had hoped. What defines a swicthback versus a mere bend in the road is also a puzzle more academic than practical. In summation, I followed the old road to its terminus, several hundred feet up the hill to the south of Sawmill Gulch at the entrance to an old mine. Cursing my confusion and lack of vigilance, I backtracked down the road and bespied a tiny man-made pile of limestone at the head of what seemed to be an elk path in the woods at the first bend in the road. Voila, the trail. Concerned about hiking in the dark up a valley I had only seen on a map, I made camp as best I could in the bottom of the gulch, practically on top of a mound inhabited by restless chipmunks that skurried about all night outside the tent right below my ear. My decision to haul a pack with me had thus saved me about a mile's easy walk from my car. This pathetic campsite was my reward. Gray light crept in around 6:00, and off I went. I hadn't slept much anyway, thanks to the rodents. The trail up Sawmill Guclh is pretty hard to follow and very faint in spots. Fortunately, following the path is not really necessary: the terrain more or less guides you up to the pass. Sawmill Pass itself is an enchanting place: a broad series of meadows intersperced with Whitebark pine and meandering streams--yes, actual flowing water at the end of September! Packing in this way would almost be worth it just to camp there. From Sawmill Pass, the trail sidehills to the left up to Leatherman Pass, a far more desolate saddle. Leatherman Peak looks pretty scary from Leatherman Pass, all dark and gloomy in the shade of early morning. From here, the west ridge above looks incredibly steep, rocky, and loose--a pretty accurate view. Of course, the view looking up the ridge toward the peak is grossly foreshortened...the summit is a LONG way up! There is a white band of quartzite streaked across the slope that looks to be about halfway up the ridge from the pass. From the summit, you see the truth: that band is almost right at the bottom of the slope. I did not follow the ridge all the way. There are steps and notches and rotten little walls that interfere with progress. Rather, the route, which takes a degree of attention to follow, winds around gullies and ledges to the left side (north) of the ridge. The rock is of course simply atrocious. I was glad no one else was below me on the route...if they were, I would have killed them. My every move it seemed (particularly on the decent) was attended by a shower of rockfall, and any pitch involving even slight exposure was made absolutely hair-raising by the rock's instability. How fortunate there was not more than a skiff of snow in the shady places. That would have made things supremely interesting. Overall, I'd rate the route nothing harder than a class 3, but it's a delicate class 3 to be sure. Somehow I clawed my way to the summit. Looking out over the Lost River Valley is like looking out of an airplane--the green circular patterns of central-pivot irrigation are interesting to behold from the top of a high mountain. The view south along the crest toward Bad Rock Peak and Mount Church is even more tremendous. Only the prospect of the loose, aggravating descent took the edge of my momentary enthusiasm. On the way down I ripped a big hole in the seat of my pants.


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Now you can experience all the excitement and drama for yourself with the Official DVD Review, an action-packed and comprehensive look back at the fastest TT ever.
The TT, first run in 1907, remains one of the most challenging and iconic motorsport events on Earth. Every year the finest motorcycle racers descend on the Island in the middle of the Irish Sea to test their skills around the 37.73-miles of closed public highways, where speeds top 190mph just inches from houses, walls and hedges.
Over almost four hours of comprehensive coverage, the Official Review brings you breathtaking action footage as records tumble over the legendary TT Mountain course in every single class.
Produced for the first time by North One Television, the TT 2009 review offers unrivalled coverage of this unique event.
There's more on-board cameras with leading riders than ever, letting viewers experience the incredible 37.73-mile circuit from the rider's point-of-view. Plus, the Hi-Motion camera captures spellbinding ultra-slow motion sequences which demonstrate exactly how much skill and courage it takes to control 240bhp Superbikes at speeds in excess of
The Official Review rounds up all the practice week action, including Australian Cameron Donald's stunning unofficial lap record and his TT-ending practice crash – complete with post smash interview.
There's complete coverage of every race over the Mountain course, including an incredible 15th TT win and new outright lap record of 131.578mph AVERAGE lap speed for John McGuinness. There's also a popular double for Yorkshire's Ian Hutchinson, an emotional return to the top step of the podium for the Dunlop name and an unexpected, but thoroughly deserved, victory for Steve Plater in the blue riband Senior TT.
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Clearing the air about formation of his new political party, former Shiv Sena leader Raj Thackeray�on Tuesday�said he would launch it in March.
Raj, who is touring Maharashtra in the run-up to the formation of the party, told reporters that he would be involving�non-governmental organisations�in understanding the basic issues being faced by various revenue divisions and districts in the state.
Raj began his tour from Thane and is scheduled to leave for Dhule�on Wednesday,�on the next leg of the tour.
Asked why�photos of Sena chief Bal Thackeray still appear on his hoardings despite his leaving the Sena last month, Raj said, "I consider Balasaheb�my deity."
Raj said being a former Shiv Sainik or legislator or Member of Parliament would not be a criterion for being a member of his party. "Those who work will be given priority," he said.
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Now that a select, lucky few have been able to see footage from Christopher Nolan's upcoming trilogy capper The Dark Knight Rises, we on the internet can finally move away from rampant speculation based on blurry cell-phone pictures and start endless debate over details provided from other people about the tiny sliver of the film they have seen/are allowed to talk about. (Fun! Also, obviously, there will be slight spoilers coming from this point on. Consider yourself warned.)
Luckily, most of the reactions seem pleased with the short bit of prologue (which will also be shown before IMAX showings of Mission: Impossible — Ghost Protocol), generally agreeing that Nolan has kept the grand scope that made the first two films so enthralling. One other thing they agree about? No one can understand what the hell Tom Hardy, as main antagonist Bane, is saying. From The Hollywood Reporter:
It may be early in the sound mixing process, but a lot of key dialogue, particularly that of Bane, who speaks via a mask, was unintelligible.
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And prepare to scratch your head at much of Bane's dialogue, which had most everyone in Thursday's screening asking each other how much, if anything, they could understand.
And from the Daily Beast:
Many of those in attendance at the IMAX event commented that between the character's labored breathing and quasi-English accent, he was impossible to understand.
As noted above, the movie is nowhere near finished, so it's possible that all these sound issues will be resolved. Of course, we've already had two movies' worth of contending with Christian Bale's gravel-on-sandpaper growl, so maybe Bane's unintelligibility is part of a larger theme, a statement on the unbridgeable divide that separates audience from character in modern-day popular cinema. (Someone who actually went to grad school should take a crack at that, because I have no idea what I'm doing.) All we need is for Catwoman to speak in a quiet purr-whisper the entire time, and this thesis is ready to go!


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BOILING SPRING LAKES, NC (WWAY) — A high school student is in custody after allegedly making threats about an act of mass violence at a Brunswick County School.
Court documents show Tevin Devon Lee, 18, is charged with one count of false report of mass violence on educational property. A magistrate set Lee's bond at $10,000 bond.
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Chile and Cagliari striker Mauricio Pinilla assures they are "not remotely afraid of Brazil" ahead of today's World Cup clash.
The Round of 16 encounter begins in Belo Horizonte at 17.00 UK time (16.00 GMT).
"It is going to be a difficult game," confessed Pinilla to TuttoMondiali.it.
"We are facing the team that everyone considers the favourites, but we won't make a drama out of it because, to be honest, we're not remotely afraid of Brazil."
Chile knocked World and European champions Spain out of the tournament in the group phase.
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"Arturo is ready to play," said Chile Coach Jorge Sampaoli in a Press conference.
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Last spring, Natacha Stolz, a performance artist and a student at the School of the Art Institute of Chicago, performed a piece called Interior Semiotics at an apartment gallery in Chicago's West Town neighborhood. Stolz had the piece videotaped, and soon after the performance it went up on YouTube, where it remained unnoticed for upwards of four months. On August 5th, someone posted the video to 4chan, and it started to spread. According to Know Your Meme, during the week of August 5th, the video received over 200,000 views in 48 hours. People didn't like it, which may be an understatement. Commenters flocked to the video's YouTube page—where they remain. As I write this, the last comment was posted 48 minutes ago. The post before that 55 minutes ago. Before that 1 hour ago. And so on.
"So many dislikes, this isn't even funny," opines one person. "Get fucked and die from aids," writes another. One commenter delivers the summary judgment, "This isn't art. Its retardation made pretentious."
What is it that made, and is still making, people so angry about Stolz's performance? The video (below) contains graphic material, but in the age of Goatse, and Tubgirl, explicitness alone cannot shock or offend most people—especially internet trolls. Rather, it was the label on it—art—and the work's perceived demographic—hipsters—that crawled under people's skin. Many on the internet seem as angry with the audience—for sitting there, for clapping—as they are with the performance itself. Whether or not you like Stolz's piece may be a matter of personal taste, but taste is never strictly personal. It stands at a nexus of hot-blooded issues; issues relating to class, status, accessibility, belonging and not belonging. Taste necessarily begs the question not just of how we assign value to things, but also of who should be doing the assigning. The hipster has come to epitomize for many what's seen to be the ridiculousness of taste; and so it struck people who hated Interior Semiotics as no mere coincidence that many audience members in the video were punked out, or gothed up, or otherwise retrofitted.
A lot of the comments on the video fall into two categories: comments addressing the definition, or ideal definition, of art, and comments addressing the nature of hipsters. The latter tend to be violent expressions of a kind of inchoate rage. One person wrote:
hipster are so fucking ridiculus comon_ wake up ur art is fucking sensless and its not because im not an artist its because u are fcking freak there nothing good are beautiful with these video comon.... ur sa fcking big fagot i muck u ALL hipster by shy.
Not, perhaps, the most articulate post, but a pretty good summation of a common attitude nonetheless. Another writer clearly sees goose-stepping written in the future:
Those people have a lack of self-awareness and reflection. They can't think for themselve. They need other people's opinion to conform theirs… that's not only retarded, it's plain dangerous. Now it's an innocent retarded performance. next time it's some kind of dictator who wants to exterminate a minority whatsoever… As long as it's hip I guess…
The comments relating to the nature of art, on the other hand, tend to be long, attenuated arguments between users; the kind of intuitively philosophical ping-pong that thrives on message boards. Responding to a previous message, one person wrote:
Do you think all performance art is "crap" or just this instance? To me, the fact that it's easy doesn't necessarily make it bad art, because I think performance art is supposed to send a message. If you find a way to get the concept lying in your head out in a way where you perform it, then you've made good art. Isn't theatre like this?
To which he got the reply:
Specifically this instance. To compare it to theatre is laughable as for it be considered good, it takes talent, skill, effort, and creativity, four things this garbage lacks. And what message is sent here? It's unoriginal, yawn-inducing nihilism that we've all heard a million times presented in a pretentious fashion. If sending a "message" is the only prerequisite for art then the term is meaningless.
The debate about skilled versus unskilled art, the debate about the conformity or non-conformity of groups that assign themselves outsider status; these are old issues, of course. They have firm roots in the 60s—academics have long dealt with these things, while a journalist like Tom Wolfe was an incorrigible prattler regarding both issues. But these debates probably stretch further back, to the beginning of the 20th century; the birth of sub-cultures and avant-garde cultures. It's remarkable that one should find these arguments being staged, with passion and fury, in the comments section of a YouTube video, bad grammar and general one-sidedness aside.
I talked with Natacha Stolz recently about Interior Semiotics, becoming a meme, and her plans for the future.
What were some of your original intentions when you made Interior Semiotics?
What happened was I started thinking about alphabet soup and how I used to eat it all the time as a kid. And I was thinking about what sort of meaning is contained in alphabet soup, in that material. It's this incredibly processed, condensed consumer product. I thought that was kind of similar to how we process language and how we use words; how we just kind of consume what's given to us, what's pre-processed, and just digest that. I really like Carolee Schneemann's Interior Scroll and I like how the structure of that piece is mirrored in the text that she reads. I wanted to create a piece like that, where the text mimics the overall structure. The poem I read is supposed to be really simple; it's a simple text that repeats itself, and it's meant to be a flat, everyday thing. But I wanted there to be a final reveal, like in Interior Scroll.
Was it the first time you performed the piece, when the video was taken?
Yeah, and it was the first time I've performed for an audience. I've done performances in public, but never with an audience.
What was your sense of how the show went?
I thought it went well. I mean, people were shocked. Some people there knew what was going to happen, but even they seemed shocked by the reveal. It's not something you see every day, but at the same time I don't think it's all that disgusting, or too shocking. But YouTube would disagree. (Laughs)
Did you post the video online yourself?
No, my friend posted it online. And actually, he posted it online because I was having trouble transferring it to my computer. And I was fine with it being on YouTube. I thought 'great, good; I'll show my mom, I'll show my dad. I'll just e-mail it over to them.'
It existed on YouTube for a while before people found it, right?
Yeah, it was on YouTube in March or April, I think. Around the same time, coincidentally, I started a parallel identity on Facebook named Gabbi Colette. Once the video went viral, I changed the name on the video over to that persona.
What was the original intention of the Facebook profile?
That I can't tell you, because the work is still in progress.
How did you first find out about the piece going viral?
That was craziness. My friend, the one who uploaded the video, texted me that it was getting a lot of activity on YouTube. When I first checked it, the video had a few hundred views and within hours it had thousands. My roommate was the one who said the language in the comments section probably meant people were coming from 4chan; comments that were like, 'I'm twelve and what is this?" So we went to /b and we started following the threads, and in some cases participating. And we could see what they were doing. We could see that they were looking to find out more information about me. Even beyond 4chan, people were using Facebook to try to find out who I was.
In what ways did you participate in 4chan?
At first I had some dialogue with some curious people who added me on Facebook. This was before I knew exactly to what extent they were trolling. But I noticed some of them were taking what I would write to them and posting it on 4chan. So, I went through their images and started taking screen caps of them from Facebook and posting them on 4chan. These people eventually realized I was on 4chan, and some deleted and blocked my Facebook account immediately.
What was involved in the decision to participate in that way?
Well, a lot of the initial messages I got were violent toward me; about raping me and choking me and so on. And I wasn't going to take the video down because that would have been stupid. I mean, this was my work—you have to face the critique. It's unfortunate when the critique is a million views and everybody hates you (laughs). But I was hiding everything I could about myself, because again, I could see they were looking for information about me, which they eventually obtained anyway. I knew almost nothing about 4chan before this. I learned about Jessi Slaughter when this was going on and started trying to understand what was happening and the kind of reaction they were seeking. I knew not to get my dad and have him scream at the camera. But I wanted to intervene somehow, to understand more what was going on. I also archived all the 4chan posts that I could, and I'm in the process of archiving the YouTube comments, but there are a lot of them.
I'm amazed by just how many people have seen the work, there are almost a million hits on the YouTube page. Seth Price makes a point, in his essay 'Dispersion,' that the way we conceive of "public art" is very likely changing. Now, a lot of things distributed online can be seen as in some ways more "public" than something installed in a city park. How do feel about your work becoming public art, in that sense? Do you think of that way at all?
I certainly didn't intend for it to be a public art piece. I don't have access to that kind of audience, so I don't make work with that kind of an audience in mind. Another thing that the internet has changed is that you get a written record of many different people's reactions. Before, if an artist made something a lot of people didn't like, maybe they'd get a bad write up in a magazine. Now there's the possibility that thousands of people will give you a bad write up.
A lot of the criticism focuses on the audience, and on their perceived hipster-dom.
Yeah, in the video you definitely see a group of 20 year olds, eccentrically dressed. Those weren't the only people who were there; my friend's dad and another friend's mom were there, too. But it was a certain art community and then people related tangentially to that community.
A lot of commenters seemed outraged that there was applause at the end, that's what really got to them.
Clapping is just what an audience does when something ends; it's a way to exit the piece.
One common complaint about confrontational, or oppositional, or incendiary artwork is that it only ever reaches a niche audience, an art world audience, people who already know how to interpret it and file it away. Your piece, though, reached a more varied audience. I'm wondering how you feel about it being moved into another context like that?
I have mixed feelings; I go back and forth. It was really exciting, in a way. Not necessarily because of how many people were viewing, but because it was on 4chan. Watching it go from 4chan to Facebook to redditt to Hipster Runnoff to Know Your Meme and all these viral websites was strange. Sometimes I feel—I wouldn't say I feel bad—but there are some people who don't intend to view it. That's just part of the internet, though. You see things that maybe you don't want to see. And 4chan is definitely not a place to go if you don't want to see controversial things. It's interesting that it was such a big deal there, because child pornography gets posted there, and a lot of other, crazy pornography and really intense, violent stuff.
It is an interesting group to offend.
But part of what's interesting is that it really is an anonymous group. It's the epitome of anonymity. There's a stereotype about the people who go on 4chan, but it really could be anyone; we don't actually know.
Why do you think the piece touched a nerve?
I think people are still uncomfortable with women's bodies. It's offensive to people to see woman touch her body the way I do in that piece.
I was thinking more about people's idea of what art is supposed to be—
Well, of course there's that too.
But there might have been a very different reaction if it was a man doing similar things. I think people might have been more likely to dismiss it as horseplay.
After the video went viral, my friend got into an argument about it with a guy at a bar. And the guy was saying it was wrong, and that if you knew your girlfriend had done something like that—how could you go on with life? (Laughs) I can understand why it offends people, but many of the reactions, like that one, seem silly to me.
Given your experiences, do you have any plans to make use of the web in future art projects?
Maybe. I don't ever want to degrade or exploit people with my art, so I'm not going to use the internet for trickery. Participating in a way with 4chan was just something I did naturally. A game was being played, so I was playful back. The whole thing was very emotional, especially at first, and then they started calling my house… And it's not really over. It's died down, but people still see the video and still contact me. Someone remixed the video; they set my words to Tupac's "Baby Don't Cry." They clearly put a lot of work into it. I respect that. I like their video.
THis is my favorite thing Rhizome has ever done. My only critique is that the can opening segment could have been a little tighter (formally speaking).
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i love this. more people deserve to get called out on the internet for their pretentious non-revelations. this should happen way way more often. remember kiddos: if you post it on the web then the audience is everyone. and sometimes everyone is gonna think yr work sucks. deal with it.
I found her art piece to be pretty revealing.
I don't see how it was pretentious either - it was more honest than that. More pretentious was all the viewers who labelled it as being pretentious and then declared themselves how art should be defined and interpreted.
ah, the old "labeling something pretentious is itself even more pretentious" chestnut. i like where this thread is going already. btw you forgot to mention how you think art should be defined and interpreted. everyone has their own definitions and interpretations of what art is and are perfectly free to say how this performance does or does not conform to it in a youtube comment. but that's beside the point. the majority of the comments were less interested in expressing an authoritative view on what art is or is not, and were more interested ridiculing the performance itself and the kids gathered in self consciously serious attendance.
what's great is 4chan essentially gatecrashed this little conceptual art event with 900,000 members of the general public who, empowered perhaps by their own anonymity and unencumbered by the mores of a small apartment gallery, said what they really thought about the high-minded cultural silliness of the entire event. i love that. it's been said elsewhere, but online communities like 4chan or websites like hipsterrunoff are great bullshit detectors and their reaction to this video bears that out.
I think anything that stirs up as much reaction as this video did is good art - especially for performance art.
I like that it had 1000s of people furious - through minor actions on her part (you can find thousands of comments angry at her just for how long it took her to open the can), a perfectly amateur camerman, and even the audience - how they looked and acted.
Its great to see peoples rage directed like this - for no real rhyme or reason.
the majority of the comments aren't furious at all. most people seem content with some mild, dismissive laughter at the expense of the audience and the artist. however the few comments that actually *are* furious are furious not so much at the work itself, but instead at the perceived pretense of artistic self-seriousness that inevitably comes with a small gallery full of like-minded art students watching a performance piece.
in other words, it's not the work they are attacking as much as the entire art world "scene" in which it takes place. so, in reference to your definition of good art–something that merely stirs up reaction–the performance on its own doesn't seem like it meets your own criterion. instead, it would make more sense to apply your definition to the video documentation of the performance and also to the decision to post it to youtube and even (or especially!) to the trolls that decided to stir up public reaction to the video in the first place. the work on it's own seems paltry and non-revelatory especially in comparison with the reaction to the circumstances surrounding it.
lol really moot, that can't be. please moar intellectual nothings from both of you
She was being ironic, ya'll
the video could have used some music IMHO it was a little 'slow'
"What happened was I started thinking about alphabet soup and how I used to eat it all the time as a kid. And I was thinking about what sort of meaning is contained in alphabet soup, in that material. It's this incredibly processed, condensed consumer product. "
the uncanny valley of rhizome discussion threads.
I was just blow drying my hair, having only just before read this article, and thought: "What if capitalism has reached a new stage of alienation where communities of hundreds of thousands come together for several days for the purpose of hating something?" Then I thought, holding a chunk of hair into my diffuser (my hair is curly): "Return to general economy? Georges Bataille? Virtuality of the sacrifice? Digital Blood?"
I love this interview. It was an insightful way of bringing up for discussion that, regardless of the content of the performance and video, the comments section and the discourse surrounding any thing, person, event, video, etcetera, becomes part and parcel of the thing itself.
The intro brings up all these issues that are totally unexplored in the interview.
"I think people are still uncomfortable with women's bodies. It's offensive to people to see woman touch her body the way I do in that piece. "
This after a paragraph talking about how 4chan is the great bastion of speech that fails first amendment scrutiny. Also, people are probably vicariously grossed out because smearing blackened Spaghetti-Os on your junk is probably going to lead to painful, persistent, goopy vaginosis.
Natacha Stolz, Ei Jane Janet Lin & Miao Jiaxin are presenting this Friday @ Upgrade! Chicago:
they will be discussing their projects in the context of: "The Unintentional Art of Digital Cultures & Communities: From 4chan to cam4 & beyond…"
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This was a fairly objective interview.
Had the documentation of the audience and the reaction thereafter been all a part of the artist's plan… I would have thought she was clever.
With the Internet being a place where anybody can be annonymous that someone is being so open with their artwork is highly commendable.


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Skip to comments.NC attorney general asked to review college enrollment policy[Admit Eligible Illegal Immigrants]
Posted on 12/03/2007 10:56:28 AM PST by BGHater
A candidate for North Carolina governor wants Attorney General Roy Cooper to weigh in on a new policy that requires community colleges to admit eligible illegal immigrants.
A policy issued last month removed the discretion community colleges had in accepting undocumented applicants.
State Sen. Fred Smith told Cooper on Monday that the policy appears to contradict federal and state laws related to illegal immigrants and established community college system rules.
Smith also says any changes need to be approved by the state Legislature.
The five leading major-party candidates for governor, including Smith, are opposed to the change. Democratic Gov. Mike Easley supports the new policy but is barred from seeking a third consecutive term.
Nice, anyone doubt how racist and how much we hate illegals in America now? This is insane.
"eligible" ... "illegal" ... why does this sound like an oxymoron?
You beat me to it. If they are in the state and country illegally, how can they be eligible?
An interesting political move by the Republican whose run announcement was completely overrun by the Atty General's (and Democratic Party Governor candidate) Lacrosse presser.
Smith has a good issue but a bad history. He missed votes in the legislature to curb "rights" for illegals in NC. He has also hired a few illegals himself through the years.
Good issue - wrong messenger...
It is NC State for Gods sake! don't expect too much after the Duke Case
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Animal Species:Bluespine Unicornfish, Naso unicornis (Forsskål, 1775)
The Bluespine Unicornfish is usually greenish-grey and has a bony horn projecting from the head in front of the eyes. It is found in tropical reef waters.
Standard Common Name
Bluespine Unicornfish
Alternative Name/s
Blue-spine Unicorn, Brown Unicornfish, Longnose Unicornfish, Spotted Unicornfish
The Bluespine Unicornfish has a bony horn projecting from the head in front of the eyes. There are two blue plates bearing knife-like spines on either side of the caudal peduncle. The tail is emaringate (glossary) in young fish but becomes truncate with filamentous lobes in larger individuals.
The Bluespine Unicornfish is usually greenish-grey. The dorsal and anal fins are yellowish with thin blue lines.
Size range
The species grows to 70 cm in length.
The species is found in tropical reef waters of the Indo-Pacific. In Australia it is recorded from south-western to north-western Western Australia and the northern Great Barrier Reef to northern New South Wales.
The map below shows the Australian distribution of the species based on public sightings and specimens in Australian Museums. Click on the map for detailed information. Source: Atlas of Living Australia.
Distribution by collection data
Ozcam map of Bluespine Unicornfish specimens in the Australian Museum.
- Species:
- unicornis
- Genus:
- Naso
- Family:
- Acanthuridae
- Order:
- Perciformes
- Class:
- Actinopterygii
- Subphylum:
- Vertebrata
- Phylum:
- Chordata
- Kingdom:
- Animalia
- Allen, G.R. 1997. Marine Fishes of Tropical Australia and South-east Asia. Western Australian Museum. Pp. 292.
- Allen, G.R. & R. Swainston. 1988. The Marine Fishes of North-Western Australia. A Field Guide for Anglers and Divers. Western Australian Museum. Pp. 201.
- Kuiter, R.H. 1996. Guide to Sea Fishes of Australia. New Holland. Pp. 433.
- Randall, J.E., Allen, G.R. & R.C. Steene. 1997. Fishes of the Great Barrier Reef and Coral Sea. Crawford House Press. Pp. 557.
Mark McGrouther , Collection Manager, Ichthyology
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2013-10-09 16:10:05 by Holly Pupino, Media Relations Specialist, as posted on the inside.akronchildrens.org blog.
Dr. Rebecca Lieb (left) and Lindsay Akers
Hurray for summer and the days of backyard sprinklers, lemonade stands, and nightly neighborhood gatherings for "Capture the Flag."
Summer is all about relaxing, playing, daydreaming.
It's all good stuff, except that several researchers, including Harris Cooper of Duke University, find most students lose about a month of the academic gains they have made in the previous school year.
Summer break takes an even bigger toll on underprivileged children who don't have the benefit of family vacations, sleep-away camps, trips to museums and libraries, and enrichment classes.
Rebecca Lieb and Lindsay Akers, who specialize in helping Akron Children's patients achieve school success, firmly believe parents can strike the balance between letting kids have fun while avoiding the summer brain drain.
Dr. Lieb is a clinical psychologist, and Akers, a school psychologist in Akron Children's NeuroDevelopmental Science Center.
"Learning happens in so many ways and when kids least expect it," said Dr. Lieb. "They learn math skills as they cook with you and help you compare prices in the grocery store. They learn new words when you read to them and you talk through daily activities."
A zoo trip is a good learning opportunity. Photo by Lance Nishihira /CC Flickr.
Some parents use workbooks to keep up academic skills or require time for silent reading each day.
That may work for some kids, but, if it doesn't, don't let it become a source of conflict.
"You can achieve the same level of learning by playing a board game, doing crafts, and involving kids in other hands-on activities," said Akers, who has worked in local school districts and works with parents who have children on Individualized Education Programs (IEPs).
Here are some other tips:
Read Together
Perhaps the most important thing you can do is set aside time each day to read aloud with your children. Don't quit when they begin reading themselves as you will still be able to read them more difficult material and introduce them to new vocabulary.
"As you read, stop and ask a few prediction and `why' questions," said Dr. Lieb. "Ask, `What may happen next? Where do you think the story is going? And why do you think the character did that?'"
Find Fun on the Cheap
Summer enrichment opportunities don't have to cost a lot of money. Story time and other fun activities at the library are free. Museums and zoos offer discounted admission days. A family membership is a good deal if you plan frequent visits and it gets you into reciprocal institutions.
Libraries enable you to bring new children's books home weekly. Shop yard sales to affordably build your own permanent collection. You should be able find wonderful titles for a fraction of new book prices.
Learning can happen with daily tasks. Photo by Carrie Writer / CC Flickr.
Online Resources
The Internet is an unlimited resource for parents looking for enrichment ideas. Look for sites that offer games to reinforce math skills and instructions for simple science experiments.
Many children's book authors have their own sites. With a simple Google search, you can find everything from jump rope rhymes to recipes for summer classics like strawberry shortcake and kick-the-can ice cream.
"A lot of parents and teachers really enjoy the website, Pinterest," said Akers. "It's very visual - a virtual bulletin board where you can 'pin' and share ideas for crafts, projects, lesson plans, recipes, household organization, and all kinds of fun activities for kids."
Also watch for Groupons and other online deals on family activities. For example, a recent deal offered half-price tickets for a train ride through the Cuyahoga Valley National Park.
If your child has a learning delay, is on an IEP or you want a more structured approach to summer learning, by all means, hire a tutor.
"Ask your child's teacher or principal for the names of active or retired teachers," said Akers. "They have the added knowledge of knowing your child's curriculum and may even know your child and his unique learning style."
Be present
Whether your child is an infant, pre-schooler or school age, you can teach much through the most simple of interactions - talking, sharing a meal, playing a board game, going to the park, developing household skills. Limit screen time this summer and the real world will be your child's best teacher.
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Fitness Magazine recently took a survey about overpaid celebrities. There are a ton out there that are basically famous for doing nothing. While Kim Kardashian, LeBron James, and Simon Cowell all made the list, they were not voted in at the number one spot. Can you guess who was voted in as the most overpaid celebrity?
51% of adults, according to Fitness, agree that Jersey Shore's Snooki is the most overpaid celebrity! While I love me some Snooki, I may have to agree. But now she will have to put that money to good use since it looks like she is preggers!
The real question is, do you agree? Or do you think someone else should get the number 1 spot?
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Engineering Technology for the Future
WomEng held its first @Network event of 2014 at the Protea President Hotel in Sea Point, Cape Town, on 26 June 2014. WomEng Managing Director, Hema Vallabh, acted as Master of Ceremonies for the evening's formalities, first welcoming all the attendees, giving a brief background on the organisation and introducing the panel speakers.
Megan Verkuil is the founder and CEO of Capsule Technologies and has initiated the African Android Computer project. Megan's vision is to understand and solve the challenges experienced in Africa by transforming life in the continent using technology. She is a true Africanist, and is saddened by the fact that people do not support African technologies. "Many still prefer the European or American alternatives and are not properly educated about the African technologies available."
Djamila Douache is an Algerian Electronics Engineer with a Master's degree in Image Processing and is currently working as an international training engineer at Eurl ZTE, a global provider of telecommunications equipment and network solutions; where she is responsible for providing technical training to both clients and university students. She is extremely passionate about education and advised the students in the room to always be open to learning, even once they've graduated. "Education at universities won't teach you to work – it will give you the tools to enable you to work."
Mansoor Mohamed is a chartered accountant and has worked in the private and public sector locally and abroad. From him, we all learnt some startling economic truths about our city. "Ninety-six per cent of Capetonians earn an average of R2000 – R2500 per month; the other four per cent earn in excess of R20 000 per month." Startling indeed, when one considers that most of our businesses and enterprises cater for the 4% group. He now spends most of his time "innovating at the bottom of the pyramid" by finding entrepreneurial solutions for society's challenges. He currently manages projects in mobile technology and education, green tech, responsible tourism and "bridging the digital divide".
The Cape Town @Network event is particularly special as it is held during WomEng's annual Fellowship week (previously known as Conference). The evening's theme, "Engineering Technology for the Future" ties in perfectly with the Fellowship theme, "Engineering Technology for Social Good" and the Fellows were invited to attend.
After opening remarks from the panellists and panel moderator, Naadiya Moosajee, the audience were given the chance to pose questions and offer remarks.
The @Network division of WomEng not only aims to bring together Engineering professionals, but professionals from other sectors as well. As the evening progressed, many important questions and issues were raised, covering a wide range of angles from Engineering to the environment, economics, education and ethics: What's the next big thing? What can we do make technology accessible and affordable to everyone? Do we need to redraw ethical lines because technology has enabled so much? By the end of the discussion, everyone was in agreement that social good, proper education and support of local initiatives should be foremost when planning for the future and advancement of our country and continent.
After the panel discussion, attendees had a chance to peruse the various exhibits on display from some of the sponsors of the evening. It was also a great opportunity for the Fellows to interact with the various company representatives regarding employment opportunities.
A definite highlight of the evening was the announcement of the winners of the WomEng Fellowship technical challenge, where the ten groups had to pitch an app idea to a panel of judges. The winning idea was a project called "Taxi2?" which endeavours to assist taxi users in locating the safest taxis and routes.
WomEng's next @Network event, themed 'Energy Africa' will be held in Johannesburg on 2 September 2014.
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Until recently, advances in HPC hardware took center stage, but now strategies for coping with escalating power and cooling requirements are in the spotlight
In Stephen Leacock's nonsense story,1 "Gertrude theGoverness," the hero, in extremis, "… flung himself upon his horse and rode madly off in all directions." A fitting description for the state of power and cooling in today's high performance computing (HPC) industry.
Researchers and engineers at companies, government agencies and educational institutions worldwide are exploring a wide variety of solutions to problems posed by petascale systems that require enormous quantities of energy and produce voluminous amounts of heat. Exascale, still a shimmering mirage on the far horizon, but gradually coming into focus, is adding impetus to their efforts. Power and cooling solutions under investigation range from geothermal-powered data centers in Iceland to exotica, such as carbon nanotubes or supercool superconducting circuits.
Keeping Cool
In the realm of cooling, it's déjà vu all over again. Introduced in 1976, that iconic machine, the Cray 1, was liquid cooled using Freon. But, as the HPC industry progressed, less expensive solutions featuring air cooling became the norm. Data centers sprouted A/C units including chillers, ducts, heat-exchangers and noisy fans. Thomas Sterling, Professor, School of Informatics and Computing at Indiana University, may have experienced the ultimate in HPC-generated decibels. A while back, he visited Moscow State University's massive supercomputer, which featured high density packing and relied on air cooling. "Loudest machine I have ever experienced," he recalls.
Today, liquid cooling is having a resurgence as hardware densities escalate. Cray, for example, offers both liquid and air-cooled versions of its new XC30 system and CS300 HPC cluster. Sterling points to a recent single-rack, liquid-cooled system from RSC in Russia, which has achieved a peak performance of one petaflop. And in Japan, NEC has developed a phase-change approach in which coolant is evaporated to disperse heat more quickly.
There are innumerable other approaches to liquid cooling underway, some of them involving cryogenics. But the poster child for the practical application of warm water liquid cooling has to be the Department of Energy's National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL) in Golden, CO. (See related story on page 10 of this issue.)
HP and Intel are supplying NREL's petascale HPC system. And HP has developed a new component-level liquid cooling system that reflects the company's design philosophy.
"What we are providing is a fully-integrated solution," explains Nicolas Dube, Distinguished Technologist at HP. The idea, he says, is to go beyond just cooling the supercomputer's processors and memory to all other system components, such as the power supplies, voltage regulators, network interconnect silicon, etcetera.
Lose the Chiller
By embracing warm-water cooling, HP is able to get rid of that standby of air cooled HPC data centers — the chiller.
Chillers and associated computer room air conditioning have become essential for cooling highly concentrated HPC clusters. But they come with a price — not only are they expensive, but they are energy hogs, consuming huge amounts of electricity and requiring their own dedicated power infrastructure.
As of last summer, NREL's data center has been consuming just over one megawatt of power. But it's in the winter that this system shines. Water to the servers is supplied at 75 degrees Fahrenheit and returned at 100 degrees Fahrenheit.
Dube notes that HP and NREL are looking beyond achieving a favorable power usage effectiveness (PUE) — the metric that measures data center power user efficiency. "What I'm pushing for is ERE — energy reuse efficiency," he says. "The heated water from the supercomputer's cooling system acts as a furnace, heating the lab and offices and is even being channeled under walkways to melt snow in the Colorado winter."
Going Green
And speaking of power, at SC13 in Denver this last November, the Green500 published its list of power-efficient systems, dominated yet again, to no one's surprise, by heterogeneous supercomputers sporting Intel CPUs combined with NVIDIA GPUs.
Taking top honors was the TSUBAME-KFC. Developed at the Tokyo Institute of Technology, the supercomputer, powered by a combination of Intel Ivy Bridge Processors and NVIDIA Kepler GPUs, claimed an efficiency of 4.5 gigaflops/watt. The Japanese supercomputer features a unique oil cooling system.
Just a few years ago, recalls Steve Keckler, Senior Director of Architecture Research at NVIDIA, energy efficiency was not a critical design criteria. For example, when designing the company's Fermi class GPUs, energy considerations were important but not a top priority. "The jump (in energy efficiency) from Fermi to our Kepler class systems was monumental," says Keckler, noting that the 10 top supercomputers on the Green500 list use Kepler GPUs.
He claims that throughput-oriented computing is the way to go for energy efficiency, as opposed to the more traditional approaches using high-power, high-performance CPUs.
Designed for a small number of threads or jobs done very quickly, CPUs have a high energy overhead. From NVIDIA's perspective, important applications that demand true high performance are parallel in nature and are amenable to more throughput-oriented systems designed to execute thousands or millions of tasks.
At NREL, architecture plays a key role in energy efficiency. In this case, the HPC system is using HP servers based on Intel Xeon processors, including the 22 nm Ivy Bridge architecture and Intel Xeon Phi coprocessors. Says Stephen Wheat, general manager of HPC at Intel, "As the optimized and tuned application is run in production, the achieved performance per watt on both Xeon Phi and Xeon processors has allowed achieving the results with the lowest energy use."
Madly Moving in All Directions
Of course, the push to achieve exascale computing in the not-too-distant future is motivating a lot of very smart people to devise radical new power and cooling alternatives. The power budget of 50 megawatts for an exascale system built on today's technology platforms is hardly acceptable. Unless, of course, you can afford your own small nuclear power plant or build your data center in locations where power is virtually unlimited — e.g., Niagara Falls, the Columbia River Gorge or the Bay of Fundy. And then there's Reykjavik, where you not only have volcanoes spewing out geothermal power, but plenty of ice to boot.
But, according to Keckler, there is no one big silver bullet that will allow us to efficiently power and cool today's and tomorrow's HPC systems. Rather, it will be a collection of technological advances, some mundane, some quite startling, including some Black Swans — those impossible to predict events that have major repercussions.
For example, full server oil immersion is making inroads — Intel, among others, has been experimenting with the technology for several years. Intel also has been looking into near-threshold voltage circuit design.
Three-dimensional architectures include fin FETS, a 15-year-old technology that allows you make smaller, more densely packed, energy efficient transistors, which is being revitalized by semiconductor manufacturers. In another approach, called heterogeneous three-dimensional (3-D) integration, multiple wafers, stacked vertically, have the potential to consume less power and provide higher performance than current two-dimensional chips.
Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, among others, has been researching the use of carbon nanotubes for microprocessor cooling applications.
Microsoft, Amazon, Google and others are deploying highly energy-efficient modular computer containers to support their cloud services efforts.
Superconducting circuits, chilled to a few degrees above absolute zero, have the potential to be not only faster, but far more energy efficient than conventional semiconductors.
The list goes on. With the emphasis on green computing and the need to navigate the rocky road to exascale, some of these solutions will take hold and evolve, others will die on the vine and, most interestingly, mysterious Black Swans are bound to arise.
Says Thomas Sterling, "It may be in the future that we will see other completely alien forms of computing, which may operate with a completely different relationship between effective computation and energy and power consumption."
It should be an interesting decade, one in which power and cooling, in all their myriad forms, take center stage in the HPC data centers of the world.
Gertrude the Governess: or, Simple Seventeen: http://www.online-literature.com/stephen-leacock/nonsense-novels/5/
John Kirkley, President, Kirkley Communications, is a writer and editor specializing in HPC. He may be reached at firstname.lastname@example.com.
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This morning, my wife told me that she no longer loves him and for the first time in nearly two decades, I am the only man in her heart. I suppose that this should make me feel happy, and it does to some extent however I remain bitter and disillusioned since last October's D-day.
So about her affair, she told me that although she originally intended to have an "exit affair," she ended up staying out of fear that I may kill or otherwise permanently injure him. This idea came to her after I told her that my pal had caught his wife in bed with another man. My wife asked me what I would do if I caught her with another man--I told her that I would chop the guy up in little pieces and they would never find his body.
She stayed with me, but resented me for the last 19 years for taking her away from her "one true" love and soulmate. She went on to say that she believed if she had stayed with him, he probably would not have committed suicide as he would be living a life with her in marital bliss. All this makes me feel like our whole life together has been a total sham, especially since we've had two more children since her affair.
I keep telling her that I really don't believe that she feared me so much, otherwise she would have been too afraid to sneak around with him in the first place. At the time, I was working 4 jobs and taking a double-full-time college class load. Yes, I was one cranky guy who was short-tempered and abusive being extremely stressed, tired, malnourished and frazzled beyond measure. I was poor kid, paying my way through school with student aid, the G.I. Bill and scholarships. Conversely, he was the student body president at my school and one of those rich trust-fund kids. He was easy-going, laid-back and the life of the party.
I introduced my wife to him one day I brought her to campus because I was so proud to be able to attend such a prestigious school. I left them alone in the student center as I rushed off to a class. I had asked him to introduce my wife to some of the female students, hoping that she would make some nice girlfriends. Obviously, he had other plans and later began calling her on the phone when he knew I was not at home. Next, he started coming over to our apartment to visit her and eventually started having sexual intercourse with my sweet virgin bride on a regular basis.
He wouldn't merely buy her one-dozen red roses, he would buy her twelve dozen red roses. In addition, he bought her diamond bracelets, necklaces and rings; designer clothing and anything she desired. Of course, I never saw any of this because she kept these things at his apartment love-nest.
On the weekends as I worked double-shifts and spent the rest of every waking moment studying at the library, she and our baby girl lived a second life at his apartment. She knew my schedule well and had a convincing story whenever something struck me as being suspicious. Perhaps I was gaslighting or just so damned worn-out to even notice what was really happening? In any case, it wasn't until she confessed to me, that everything fell into place and what a weird experience it was!
I want to love her as I once did but I also wish I could just hate her and move on with my life.
- Ricky
It is lots to process, Xheart. I feel for you, brother. It will be a long road. It is a new wound for you and it takes years to address it. I am sorry.
I'm so sorry that you have found out the woman you married isn't that woman at all.
I also found out XH led a double life for over 20 yrs of marriage.
My dday was 6 yrs ago we now are divorced but it took me along time to accept the facts that I married and loved him with all my heart. I married for the right reasons but XH didn't.
I feel even more betrayed by XH for his marrying me and not being honest about who he is/was than I was about the infidelity. (It was the majority of our marriage).
I don't know if you will decide to stay with WW but I totally understand how you feel. Everything about our life together was a lie. EVERYTHING !
I chose not to stay with him because how could I ever trust him ?? When he said he loved me after dday, I knew it was a lie like everything else was. I decided I couldn't police him because I didn't feel he was worthy of me.
This all took 3-5 yrs to come to terms for me.
Get a good IC that truly understands infidelity and give your self plenty of time to decide what YOU want to do. It's now your decision even when she made life altering decisions for you.
Whatever you do, don't settle for less than what you deserve. Remember you were in marriage for the right reasons and she wasn't.
In my effort to be *concise*, I often come off as blunt and harsh. Sorry, don't mean to be offensive.
What prompted her confession?
Three reasons:
(1)She looked into herself after OM's suicide and became a Christian. She wants to serve a Christian mission, but her secret past made her feel unworthy.
(2)I got laid off from work last summer and we started really talking for the first time in our entire marriage and grew very close to one another.
(3)She felt as if she would never get over her feelings for him unless she told me the truth.
Was there ever a
(4)I felt horrible I deceived my dedicated husband of 24 years and HE deserves the truth?
Other'n than bonding a little, it seems to be all about her feeling unclean before God and her processing feelings for an already dead man?
And, ugh horrible question but I reread your story, you are the dad (a given because that is the most important job) but are you the father?
Xheart- you are a good man. Post here often as you deal with this.
I agree with the others. I don't think I could do it. Just now she says you're the one? 20+ years leading a double life. Your Dd Oct. 2013? But ongoing before DD.
She does still sound entitled. I think becoming Christian will just smooth over her true guilt she should have. Instead of it being "you" oriented it'll be God oriented. Where's the "you"? Love for you? Focus on you? To help you heal. To enjoy life with you? She does not get what she's done to you. Sounds like she doesn't have empathy either.
Sorry, I do believe in God, but I'm also seriously realistic.
Hugs, xheart. I don't mean to sound harsh.
Good luck. Keep posting.
[This message edited by Thinkingtoomuch at 7:56 AM, March 21st (Friday)]
And xheart. You're young. You deserve a good life. It takes more work to get it as we get older, regardless. I'm still learning how to lighten my load and I have fewer years left.
This morning, my wife told me that she no longer loves him and for the first time in nearly two decades, I am the only man in her heart.
She went on to say that she believed if she had stayed with him, he probably would not have committed suicide as he would be living a life with her in marital bliss.
Honestly-I have to wonder if her becoming religious has more to do with "being closer" to a dead guy in heaven than becoming a better person.
Other'n than bonding a little, it seems to be all about her feeling unclean before God and her processing feelings for an already dead man?
I wouldn't trust her at all.
What do you want?
[This message edited by BtraydWife at 8:09 AM, March 21st (Friday)]
...resented me for the last 19 years for taking her away from her "one true" love and soulmate. She went on to say that she believed if she had stayed with him, he probably would not have committed suicide as he would be living a life with her in marital bliss.
Did she say this in the same breathe? If so, that is very cold and if she has found Jesus and invited him into her heart, she alone should feel that statement say's a lot about who she is and what she think she is doing. I have a feeling, call it a hunch, but Jesus wouldn't want anyone to say something so cold and to last as long as it did and still have feelings after 19 years...
...you are the dad (a given because that is the most important job) but are you the father?
...This morning, my wife told me that she no longer loves him and for the first time in nearly two decades, I am the only man in her heart...Really? What magically made this happen?...
She stayed because she was a cake eating WS. She had the best of both worlds and spent the better part of 2 decades deceiving and lying to you. He took advantage of your friendship, she on the other hand took advantage of your love for her.
Where's the "you"? Love for you? Focus on you? To help you heal. To enjoy life with you? She does not get what she's done to you
Honestly-I have to wonder if her becoming religious has more to do with "being closer" to a dead guy in heaven than becoming a better person.
Yes, I'm quite sure all 3 are all mine.
It is good that the devil made her do it and that all the responsibility resides with a demon.
This is probably why it is still all about her- because she must have been miserable cavorting with the devil and the ex-AP. Not her fault.
Of course, every mean thing 19 years ago is why it happened. You know. Because of the devil.
I know you know, but it must be resaid-
Her affair is her choice and decision.
She lied to you for 25 years.
She will not accept responsibility and will blame anything else- including demons and you.
She will not acknowledge your pain because you are a patsy who does not matter beyond providing for her and being dad... until sort of now. Just not enough to amend for the damage she caused.
She acknowledged his pain- on his knees crying with ring in hand!! Oh. Ok. Suicide she could have prevented if she'd just chosen him...
But what about sacrifice to create and build a better life for a family, for her, for the littles, for you?
I am sorry. Ugh.
You deserve more from her. You deserve more.
She said that he was "perfect" to her, never hurt her at all in any way and she left him on a high-note.
The thing is-things weren't perfect when they were together. He's a man that would wine and dine a friend's wife behind his back. He was a man who screws married women. He was far from perfect and so was their relationship. She still thinks her + him = happy and she can't have that attitude and be devoted to you.
She says that she no longer believes this but when she fist set eyes on her AP, she thought an "angel" told her that she was meant to be with him. She also said that she once hoped to bargain with God that she could be married to both of us in heaven. She says that she now realizes that there is no marriage in heaven according to scripture and believes that the "voice" came from the devil or something.
She's not some suicide savior and their relationship was built on deceit, lies, and betrayal. Your wife is still attached to him. Don't trust her.
Of course the tittle itself is taken from a twain quote along the same lines.
Married 6 years. Dating 10. Living together 8.
If a man took his time on earth
to prove be for he died
what on man's life could be worth
I wonder what would happen to the world
- Harry Chapin
What you report says she's all for herself and no one else ... she does not sound at all like decent partnership material.
She thought (thinks?) she would have lived in marital bliss with this guy? What possible basis in reality does she have for this line of thinking?
You were a prick when you were under tremendous stress? Well, doh! Did she ask or demand that you change? Did she tell you she was at the end of her M rope? Did she start D proceedings? Those are appropriate responses to your being a prick. Having an A and blaming you for the A's end for 19 years are inappropriate to the max.
There are lots of ways to get help figuring out what you want to do. One approach is to post on SI. Another is IC. Another is MC, and that could be helpful in learning whether or not your W can and will shift from 'me' to 'us'. Meditation may help, Talking to friends may help.
My bet is, if R is a real possibility for you, IC is the best way to start. A good IC can help you isolate and capture all the thoughts and feelings that are going through your head. Then the IC can help you figure out what you want.
I agree that this is all more about her than it was about us.
I have always felt very, very fond of her and love her despite all the bull I have to put up with. Not to mention that she is just so damned good looking -- not only the hottest woman I know, but the hottest woman out there PERIOD. She's like a several notches above Hollywood-hotness and it's nice to be the envy of every other guy.
Sure, she had a 5-month affair on me and it hurts like HELL, but at least she seems genuinely remorseful and is really making an honest effort to restore our marriage but I remain frightened that she might hurt me again...or that I'll find out that there's more than she's not telling me.
I am concerned that my fears, my low self-esteem and those horrible mind-movies will never go away.
I am concerned that my fears, my low self-esteem and those horrible mind-movies will never go away.
Have you considered IC? A good IC can help resolve self-esteem issues, and if you get that back, you'll probably resolve a lot of fear and mind movies.
Do you discuss your M issues with your W? If not, or if the discussions don't resolve the issues, have you considered MC?
Yesterday, we had our first meeting with our 3rd MC. We've had some issues with finding an MC that works for both of us.
MC #1 (first weeks after D-day): Just pack everything up and "throw it out in the trash and forget it" because it happened so long ago.
MC #2 (about three months after D-day): "You can see how you pushed your wife into [the arms of another man] can't you?"
MC #3 (5 months after D-day): TBD
We have been talking non-stop since she first confessed and have really grown closer -- closer than I ever thought possible.
I feel pretty good about our chances to R, but feel as though I've lost something very precious that can never be returned to me. I feel a great pressure inside myself like I'm supposed to do something big but I can't figure this out exactly. Does anyone know of a dragon to slay?


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ET first contact 'within 20 years'
July 26, 2004
If intelligent life exists elsewhere in our galaxy, advances in computer processing power and radio telescope technology will ensure we detect their transmissions within two decades, says SETI Institute senior astronomer Seth Shostak.
He based his prediction on the Drake formula for the likelihood of alien civilizations existing, combined with estimates of the time necessary for this observational task, based on the capabilities of planned radio telescopes.
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On January 26, 1988 at the Majestic Theatre in New York, I was privileged to attend the opening of one of the greatest theatrical spectacles ever to grace a stage, a show that featured thrilling and innovative music wedded to a delicately woven romantic plot. Putting aside my own elitist literary airs, I could not disavow the majesty and the glory of Andrew Lloyd Webber's most affecting work since Jesus Christ Superstar -- The Phantom of the Opera. Like so many other audience members, I fell under the spell of the towering presence and astonishing tenor voice of Michael Crawford; I was dazzled by such special effects as flying chandeliers, underground lakes, and seamlessly shifting sets, each set change moving into view almost as though propelled by magic. (Admittedly, despite her strong singing, I was somewhat less thrilled by the bland presence and disquieting Minnie Mouse-like appearance of then Mrs. Lloyd Webber, Sarah Brightman, as the heroine Christine.)
One of my greatest disappointments came after I moved to South Florida and saw the road show version of Phantom at the Broward Center of the Performing Arts in the spring of 1991. With a listless cast, loose timing, and a venue that seemed to dwarf the show's subtle, haunting tone, Phantom seemed in this poor production to be another pretender; a pretense to art rather than the real thing. I reasoned that at the Majestic I had been fooled by director Harold Prince's special effects. Tricked by flickering lanterns and exquisite costumes, I'd misjudged the merits of the work. Only that gorgeous score -- the best Lloyd Webber ever produced, to this day -- remained transcendent.
I wondered why originally I had been so enchanted by Lloyd Webber's re-telling of the 1911 Gaston Leroux novel about a deformed composer who hides out in the subterranean world of a Paris opera house and falls in love with a young soprano named Christine Daae. Songs such as "Wishing You Were Somehow Here Again," "The Music of the Night," "All I Ask of You," and "Think of Me" certainly helped; the strength of these melodies stayed with me long afterwards. But whatever flame ignited in my mind that night at the Majestic didn't burn again at Broward. It was, therefore, with some reluctance I attended this third opening of the piece at the Jackie Gleason Theater.
Lo and behold, as they say in fairy tales, the grandness had returned. A new Phantom, a perfect Christine, and a show that flows with the ease of a prima ballerina brought back all my initial feelings about Lloyd Webber's masterpiece -- a title I'm now ready to bestow upon the show.
Professional duty required me to review this latest production, but there was another factor, too: my mother. Yes, my mother. She had recently relocated to South Florida and had not seen a major musical since Hello Dolly.
For the last six years, fueled by brief glimpses on television, she'd hummed the music and dreamed about seeing the Phantom in action. And, I'm pleased to report, she has not stopped talking favorably about it since seeing it at the Gleason theater. Through her wide-eyed wonder I was able to witness the effect Lloyd Webber at his best has on the public at large. Far from being a jaded reviewer, she felt free to gasp when the chandelier fell from the ceiling and tumbled onto the stage, to become teary at the final resolution of the strange love between the Phantom and Christine.
Sometimes it's good for the reviewer to see the impact this mythic work has on a novice viewer. It helps to remind me why the piece has become such a classic, its name carved forever in the history of musical theater. It's so terribly facile and fashionable these days to dismiss Lloyd Webber's sometimes saccharine approach and his empty story lines. While his composing and playwriting flaws may be glaring in such other shows as Aspects of Love or Starlight Express, Phantom is in a different class. Like the best musicals, it offers a solid score, excellent lyrics (by Charles Hart and Richard Stilgoe), and an interesting, emotionally involving book (by Charles Stilgoe and Andrew Lloyd Webber).
The show possesses its share of glitches, too, although they are relatively minor ones. Several group singing scenes between the opera house owners and their prima donna soprano Carlotta are confusing, excessively long, and add little to the dramatic action. More than three people singing at one time may show off Lloyd Webber's composing expertise, since it's no small feat to wind many different lines into the same melody, but the audience can't hear what anyone is singing about. Furthermore, Act One is infinitely stronger than Act Two, and possesses all the good music (except for "Wishing You Were Somehow Here Again").
Still, Hal Prince's direction ably serves this tale of bittersweet love and loss, allowing the emotions of the characters to rightfully overshadow the plot. Christine, who recently lost her father, looks for a substitute in the Phantom. Her new lover, Raoul, appears to be her second choice, even though he is young and handsome -- and the Phantom is physically withered and mutilated. And the creature of the night himself, though capable of vicious deeds, never fails to invoke the audience's respect and sympathy, both for his plight as a disabled, shunned member of society and for his vast musical gifts.
As Christine, young Sarah Pfisterer is by far the best singer and actress in this role I have ever seen. Her voice soars, her honesty touches the soul, and her beauty is breathtaking, making the Phantom's and Raoul's devotion fully believable. Nat Chandler as Raoul is also commanding and convincing as an actor; his large, excellent physique overpowers Rick Hilsabeck as the Phantom, which may be my only quarrel with this production. Hilsabeck certainly possesses a voice as good as if not better than that of the charismatic Michael Crawford, but he is very young, very mild in the role, and very short. I mention the last physical feature because if the Phantom is not a striking figure (as Crawford made him), I'm not sure why Christine has any problem choosing between the ghastly ghost and Raoul. Hilsabeck moves fluidly and vocalizes like an angel, but the overall persona he evokes is one of a pathetic deformed man, not a romantic hero. It's certainly a valid interpretation of the script, but I don't think it's the one Lloyd Webber intended and it certainly isn't one that draws me into the romantic dilemma of the piece.
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Hilsabeck's deficiencies aside, the supporting cast excels, especially Olga Talyn (who's been in this role since the Majestic) as the darkly clad dance mistress, Madame Giry, who seems to know more than anyone else about the Phantom. Talyn infuses sinister energy into her mysterious character and still makes each vocal and speaking note ring true. Patricia Hurd as the bitchy Carlotta is suitably shrill in voice and personality, and Michael DeVries as one of the opera house's hapless owners, Monsieur Andre, injects verve into a somewhat bland role.
Of course, the lighting, set design, and costuming are fabulous; even the sound is surprisingly clear in the acoustically deprived Gleason theater. If you've never seen The Phantom of the Opera, then by all means catch this production. If you've seen it here before at Broward and were disappointed, try again. The music of the night will softly, gently weave its way under your skin this time.
Stage Notes
Get set for action, adventure, comedy, heartbreak, and excitement -- you know, all those things the movies don't deliver any more -- in the Florida theater world starting next week. On October 24, the Caldwell Theatre Company in Boca opens Someone to Watch Over Me, a powerhouse Broadway hit about hostage-taking and its aftermath. Shear Madness formally opens on October 27 with all its wacky interactive fun at the Off-Broadway Theatre in Wilton Manors; Chaplin, a musical about the great Charlie, enjoys its world premiere on October 30 at the Shores Performing Arts Theatre in Miami Shores, with opening night guest host Jane Chaplin offering some insights about her father; and finally, ACME's classic, super-serious drama The Elephant Man opens at the Colony Theater on Lincoln Road in Miami Beach on October 31 (bring mask to the after-show party if you like).
Despite the recent departures of three key figures at the Coconut Grove Playhouse, one administrator remains remarkably resilient. It looks as though Miami's own artistic Teflon man, the controversial Arnold Mittelman, will be staying in his job for at least for three more years, having received a lengthy contract renewal from the board of directors.


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Too bad the Orioles forgot again to unpack their bats.
You'd think the anthem or the opposing pitcher's warmup tosses would provide a reminder.
Jake Arrieta has allowed three runs and five hits, with three walks and a career-high nine strikeouts in six innings. He's thrown 97 pitches, and it appears that Koji Uehara will replace him in the seventh.
Give Arrieta credit for holding the Yankees to one run after the first, but again, an Orioles starter put the team in an early hole. And again, the offense just sat inside of it.
Freddy Garcia has held the Orioles to two Luke Scott singles through six innings. I don't know that he's hit 90 mph with his fastball. He hasn't exactly been a strike-thrower (90 pitches, 51 strikes), but he's been a pitcher today, changing speeds and keeping the Orioles off balance.
Today's attendance: 25,051.


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Record numbers of young people are out of school, training or work, according to new government figures released today.
The proportion of 16- to 24-year-olds not in education, employment or training in England – so-called "neets" – rose from 13.6% to 15.6% over the first three months of 2009.
There are now 935,000 16- to 24-year-old neets in England, up from 810,000 at the end of last year.
The proportion of 18- to 24-year-old neets is 17.6%, and the figures are likely to have worsened since the recession set in.
Ministers attributed the rise to the changing labour market and the reduction in unskilled or low-skilled jobs, as well as the current economic conditions.
David Willetts, the shadow universities secretary, said: "Nearly 1 million young people are not in education, employment or training.
"This is shocking evidence that young people are indeed the victims of Labour's recession.
"The Conservative party is offering more apprenticeships, better careers advice, and more targeted support for neets, while Labour are bereft of ideas."
A spokeswoman for the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills said: "We have more 18- to 24-year-olds working or in fulltime education compared to 1997.
"In the budget, the government announced a £1.2bn package for all young people aged 18 to 24 who have been claiming jobseekers' allowance for 12 months to give them either a job, a work placement or work-related skills training for six months.
"We have rescued and expanded apprenticeships and will invest £1bn this year to fund 250,000 places for young people and adults."


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Firstly, a small editorial team of Google Glass 'Explorers,' or as we know them as, the "lucky S.O.B.'s who got to test-drive Google's Glass before launch," have created a Glass-only blog, LivingThruGlass. I recommend following it — it's a fun blog and perhaps the closest to the high-tech gadget that 'normies' like us will ever get to wearing a pair.
Through using and testing Glass, the site has been first to raise new questions and concerns about the post-modern spectacles. Tuesday brings in a very interesting possibility; the speculation that Glass may soon include eye gesture capabilities and namely by blinking, the ability to input commands such as snapping a photo through Glass' lens.
Found in the MyGlass Android companion app source code was the following stream:
You can see that if this is true, users an enable and disable the wink feature, also calibrate the action and set it to take picture (the last line of code above.)
Pretty awesome, right? But unfortunately, it can pretty intrusive as well. Think about being able to take photos of whatever you're observing through Glass with an action as slick and discrete as blinking. Now think about all the sick minds in the world. Combine the two and this feature, though incredible and space-aged, can create some voyeuristic dreams-come-true for some creeps who can afford a pair. That could be an issue.
Ethics aside, this technology is truly something new and impressive. And of course it's worth mentioning that these speculations come based on prototypes that exist on a very small scale, versus the mass production that will come with the device's official launch.
<Source: LivingThruGlass>


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Training animals in zoos is not just about enrichment – although that is certainly a worthy aim. Increasingly, trainers are working with veterinarians to condition animals for medical examinations and even therapy.
The benefits are obvious – being able to undergo diagnostic tests and treatments without the need for sedation and general anaesthesia minimises the potential for iatrogenic harm and builds a bond between the patient and veterinary team. But staff at Oregon Zoo in the United States discovered another benefit when their efforts to assist an aging otter went viral in a public relations coup.
The patient, a 15 year old male neutered southern sea otter (Enhydra lutris nereis), was admitted for a routine veterinary examination last year. Eddie has lived at the zoo since he was abandoned off the California coast as a pup. According to zoo experts, he would not have survived otherwise. Continue reading Slam dunk for otter health!


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