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The pain that hurts the worse is the imagined pain. One of the most difficult arts of racing is learning to ignore the imagined pain and just live with the present pain (which is always bearable.) - Jeff
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Imminent Catastrophe
Time to resurrect this thread for 2011! Just got my Peachtree number, C11306 (time group C). And this year I even got the day off! . It will be slow since I've been injured but hey, it's Peachtree.
"Able to function despite imminent catastrophe"
"To obtain the air that angels breathe you must come to Tahoe"--Mark Twain
"The most common question from potential entrants is 'I do not know if I can do this' to which I usually answer, 'that's the whole point'.--Paul Charteris, Tarawera Ultramarathon RD.
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Start wave A
47:43** best time in 17 years.2nd best time in 23 years.
old woman w/hobby
i'm not from atlanta but there doesn't seem to be any public user groups
for the csra (augusta).
any way, my dh (sumgye) and i are in corral c. our dd is in corral g.
dh and i are both fighting injuries.
Just run.
i'm not from atlanta but there doesn't seem to be any public user groups
for the csra (augusta).
any way, my dh (sumgye) and i are in corral c. our dd is in corral g.
dh and i are both fighting injuries.
It is more of a event than a race anyway. Enjoy. Conformation email came today. # 3380
Location: Galloway School- Chastain Park 215 West Wieuca Road NW Northwest Atlanta, GA 30342
TG B. I actually ran an A qualifier but wasn't sure about its certification. I like the B people better anyway
I'm back in the F group which is apparently pretty good for a first timer. None of the other new or one/twice runner are higher than that. :-)
Oops. I replied in other thread meant to do this one.
Third Peachtree for me. Start wave B. DH will be in C.


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Four months ago Christian Martey's future in football looked very bright. Going into his junior season, the running back from Clifton (Va.) Centreville had caught the eye of most of the top tier college football programs. Everything seemed to be on the right track for Martey but in the second quarter of the first game of his 2012 season he tore his ACL and in the blink of an eye everything changed.
"I had surgery in early October so I'm about two months out right now," said the 6-foot, 215, pound Martey. "My physical therapist has told me I'm ahead of schedule. There are certain dates that I have to follow, even though I'm ahead of schedule. I have full range of motion back and I've started walking. I knew when it happened that it would be a long road back but I guess I'm a fast healer.
"I'm trying to model myself after Adrian Peterson, he's my favorite player and I wear his number. Seeing how he has come back from tearing his ACL and MCL, leading the NFL in rushing. If he can do it, I don't see why I can't."
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It is this positive, fighting attitude that keeps Martey going. He knows that there is still a very good chance he'll be able to play in college because some teams still haven't given up on him.
"Maryland, Vanderbilt and Wake Forest are the ones recruiting me right now, along with Rutgers and N.C. State. The only possible difference is that if I didn't get injured I'd possibly have a few offers by now. They want me to go to some camps to see how I feel and then they might offer. I've been keeping them up to date with my rehab."
How has the way these schools are recruiting Martey changed?
"I haven't really seen a lot of change because Maryland just came to visit a few weeks ago. I talk to Wake Forest every week and Vanderbilt just started recruiting me after the injury.
"I know the Maryland had a pretty bad situation this year with their quarterbacks. Despite that, they had a pretty good season. That linebacker stepped up and did well. Them moving to the Big Ten, it will be more competition but I think they are on the rise. I would like Maryland pretty it's pretty close.
"Same with Wake Forest. I feel like both will be a lot better in the next few years because they are recruiting better. Wake Forest coach Jim Grobe coached my running back in college and my coach told me a lot about him.
"I hope to visit Vanderbilt some time this summer or in February. I haven't been there yet so I want to go.
"Rutgers had a great season this year. They have some big running backs and I feel like I'm a big running back so it would be a good fit. I definitely think they will do pretty well in the Big Ten because they won nine games this year. I feel like they were too good for their conference this year."
Martey plans to work extremely hard in his rehab and be able to make it to camps this offseason, hoping to get an offer from a school that sees his potential.

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Fulchino's right elbow passes first test
By Brian McTaggart / MLB.com
Fulchino threw a scoreless innings against the Braves on Tuesday, retiring all three batters he faced.
"It was good to get out there and not put the fears aside, but know everything's good and I don't have any pain and now it's in the past," Fulchino said. "Out here, you never know until you get in a game. You can throw all the bullpen [sessions] you want and feel good, but in game situations is when you tell yourself, 'Am I good or not?' And everything was good."
Fulchino was the Astros' Rookie of the Year in 2009 after going 6-4 with a 3.40 ERA in 61 games, but he had a 5.50 ERA last year in 50 appearances. The soreness in his elbow affected the way he threw his slider, which is his second pitch.
"Since I've been here, it's been free and easy, and that's what it wasn't last year," he said. "It's hard enough to pitch in the big leagues, let alone when you're not healthy and you're down your second pitch."
Batting second suits Barmes just fine
KISSIMMEE, Fla. -- Clint Barmes was in the No. 2 spot in the batting order for Tuesday's game against the Braves, and that's where he hopes to be on the lineup card when the Astros open the regular season on April 1, at the Phillies.
"Obviously, I have to prove myself there with this team and everything with the way that last year went, hitting eighth most of the year," said Barmes, who went 0-for-3 on Tuesday in his Astros debut. "If I were to pick a spot in the lineup, that's where I'd like to be."
Barmes, a career .254 hitter, has more at-bats in the No. 2 hole than anywhere else in the lineup in his career. He has a career .279 average, a .310 on-base percentage and averages one strikeout for every 5.9 at-bats batting second in the order.
"I think if the season started tomorrow, without even looking at [other] guys, that Barmes would be a guy we're going to take a look at first," manager Brad Mills said. "You want a good fastball hitter. He's going to see a lot of fastballs with Michael [Bourn] on in front of him, and [Hunter] Pence and Carlos [Lee] hitting behind him."
Mills mentioned that Brett Wallace, who went 3-for-3 on Monday, might get a look in the No. 2 hole, though he admitted that Wallace is not the prototypical No. 2 hitter. Barring anything unforeseen, expect Barmes to be there when the season starts.
Feverish Abad sent home from camp
KISSIMMEE, Fla. -- Left-hander Fernando Abad, who's competing for a spot in the bullpen, was sent home from the team's Spring Training complex on Tuesday morning after showing up with a temperature of 101 degrees.
Abad had been scheduled to pitch in Tuesday's game, but left-hander Wesley Wright was instead slotted into his position in the pitching lineup. Manager Brad Mills hopes that Abad will be able to pitch in one of the split-squad games on Wednesday.
"He's feeling better today than he was the last couple of days, but hopefully he'll be able to go [on Wednesday]," Mills said. "[Abad] threw on Saturday, and another day off is not going to hurt."
Abad posted a 2.84 ERA in 22 games in his Major League debut last year.
Elsewhere on the injury front, infielder Anderson Hernandez (back) and outfielder T.J. Steele (elbow) were cleared to play on Tuesday, though neither did. The Astros are holding back outfielder J.D. Martinez (quadriceps strain) until they can re-evaluate him on Thursday.
Astros to receive tips on nutrition
KISSIMMEE, Fla. -- Roberta Anding, recently hired by the Astros as a sports dietitian consultant, addressed the team on Tuesday morning to outline the services she's going to provide to the players and staff this year.
"We've talked about it over the last couple of years, about making the commitment, and in all honesty, I've dragged my feet on it a little bit without any really good reason for doing it," general manager Ed Wade said. "One of the reasons we dragged our feet is we wanted to make sure we got the right person."
Anding, a dietitian for the NFL's Houston Texans and Rice University athletics, will provide tips on healthy eating habits for both players and staff. She will examine what the players eat in the clubhouse during Spring Training and extended spring camp, as well as in clubhouses at home and on the road, and on charter flights, during the regular season.
She will also oversee the diets of Minor League players and will go to the restaurants the players frequent in the Minors and Spring Training to see if there are adjustments that can be made on the menus. Each player will be given an eating plan and have supplements monitored more closely.
Wade said the Astros have also hired Doris Gonzalez to help teach English to Latin American players. Gonzalez will work out of Kissimmee and spend time at the team's new academy in the Dominican Republic, where English-speaking computer stations are already up and running.
Worth noting
Manager Brad Mills plans to travel to Lakeland, Fla., on Wednesday for the split-squad game against the Tigers with pitching coach Brad Arnsberg, bullpen coach Jamie Quirk and third-base coach Dave Clark. Bench coach Al Pedrique will manage the other half of the roster, which is heading to Tampa, Fla., to play the Yankees. ... Pitcher Sammy Gervacio, who's recovering from January shoulder surgery, has improved his range of motion since the start of camp, general manager Ed Wade said. Gervacio is expected to miss several more months. ... Mills has no plans to name an Opening Day starter just yet, though conventional wisdom suggests it would be right-hander Brett Myers. ... Right fielder Hunter Pence said he was told by umpires on Monday that the white sleeve he wears to protect his left forearm while sliding will have to be black during the regular season. ... The rain of spring fell all morning in Kissimmee, Fla., and didn't allow the Astros to work out on the fields prior to Tuesday's game.
Brian McTaggart is a reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.


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The federal government has rejected a request by Texas to be excluded from a new law that would limit how much health insurance companies can spend on overhead.
The law is part of recent changes in health care law that Texas officials say is unconstitutional. It requires health insurers to spend at least 80 percent of their revenue on health-related costs.
The Texas Department of Insurance had asked permission to allow Texas companies to spend more on administrative costs because it said the new rule could hurt the industry.
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Strife in the Fast Lane: FCC Moves Forward With Controversial PlanBy
That sound you hear is net neutrality activists howling.
On Thursday, by a vote of 3 to 2, the Federal Communications Commission took another step forward with a controversial plan that, among other provisions, would allow Internet service providers such as Comcast, Verizon, and AT&T to charge companies for access to faster transfer of information over the Web.
A range of Internet companies and activists cried foul in recent weeks, arguing that the plan violates the principle, known as net neutrality, of treating all Web traffic equally. Critics say that if the plan eventually passes, it will give Internet service providers an incentive to slow down traffic for anybody unwilling or unable to pony up for the first-class service. This in turn, they argue, could stifle the culture of startup innovation that the Web has historically fostered.
Some observers, however, suggest that such dire predictions may be overblown. "Think of bandwidth as a highway: If an entirely new lane is added at the ISP's expense, that does not harm anyone riding along on the preexisting highway," writes Rich Greenfield, an analyst with BTIG. "We struggle to understand why enabling an 'extra' HOV lane is bad policy that requires government regulation. One should not simply assume that the creation of fast lanes of dedicated bandwidth forces everyone else who chooses not to pay ISPs, or cannot pay ISPs, into slow lanes."
Today's FCC vote advances the proposal into a phase for public comment. A final decision is expected later this year.
Meantime, net neutrality advocates have vowed to step up their already muscular opposition. "The Commission says it wants to hear from the public; it will be hearing a lot more," wrote Free Press. "This fight will stretch into the fall, but there's one clear answer: The American people demand real Net Neutrality, and the FCC must restore it."
As Recode noted, today's FCC vote now sets the stage for "what's expected to be a summer of bickering over how the agency should proceed."
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I've been looking at the weather outlook for Grindenwald 10/16-19 and I am reconsidering visiting this part of Switzerland on this trip. I realize there are no guarantees on weather.........rain I'm better with than cold, snowy and possible ice. That said, and already having 3 days booked in Montreux, where would you recommend we go by train from Frankfurt to spend the first 3 days in Switzerland? Zurich? Lucerne?
I'm sure some of you will tell me to stay the course. I have a hotel reservation I can cancel.
What weather site do you recommend for the most accurate forecast.
Thank you!
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I've been looking at the weather outlook for Grindenwald 10/16-19 and I am reconsidering visiting this part of Switzerland on this trip. I realize there are no guarantees on weather.........rain I'm better with than cold, snowy and possible ice. That said, and already having 3 days booked in Montreux, where would you recommend we go by train from Frankfurt to spend the first 3 days in Switzerland? Zurich? Lucerne?
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May we assume that you are speaking of Grindelwald, in the Bernese Oberland?
IME, lots to see from there, even in the rain -- Berne, Thun, etc.
But Lucerne and surrounds could be delightful, or Zurich (which I think seriously underrated), or the Ticino, or....
If you don't already have a good guidebook, you might find it worth investing in one, perhaps the Michelin Green Guide or Rough Guide. In comparison to the cost of your trip, the cost will be nominal, and you will have a wealth of information at your fingertips.
Good luck!
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There doesn't exist any serious Swiss weather forecast for the period you mention.
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Doesn't seem so bad! The average maximum daytime temperature in October is 13°C (55°F) and night-time temperatures drop to 5°C (41°F).
You can expect around 4 hours of bright sunshine each day, and 57mm (2.2 inches) of rainfall across the whole of October.
It's a beautiful place, so buy some thermal socks and go for it!
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Thanks to each of you! Sorry for misspelling
Grindelwald. Got the thermal socks, waterproof shoes, down sweater, capilene layering pieces. Love hearing feedback from all of you who have travelled here multiple times or live there!
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Grindelwald is but 20 mins by train from Interlaken - and that only about 30-45 minutes from Bern, a wonderful city and nice in wet weather as many sidewalks are covered in town center.
Keep Grindelwald IMO as yes weather reports everyone says that far in advance are iffy and if foul in dem hills day trip to Bern or do a lake boat trip - some still run and get off at nice towns along the way.
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Once again: why do you ask for bad weather scenarios long before the first somewhat reliable weather forecast will be published?
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personally I might think of looking for accommodation in Interlaken, where the wet or bad weather options are a deal greater.
If you did it on a free cancellation basis, you could make your decision closer to the time.
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kja-Thanks for the rec's on guides.
annhig-It's been a month ago, but I did read your entire thread early on in planning and so many people gaves thumbs down to Interlaken. I also read your report upon returning. I realize Interlaken is the best choice for train travel. Also, you did not really care for your hotel. Perhaps I put out a post for Interlaken Hotel rec's. I really like the idea of a pretty chill town to base in and Interlaken sounds like it is teeming with tourists. Many said it had changed so much from the days they loved staying there.
neckervd-why do sites even post forecast that far out if they are "fake news?" I am just a novice at this and trying to chart the best course with the resources I have.
Pal-staying w/ Grindelwald at the moment .
My reservation in Grindelwald can be cancelled by 6 pm the day before. However, I was planning on buying the German train ticket from Frankfurt-Basel SBB in advance (my Swiss Rail Pass will take over at Basel) as well as reservations on the Global Pass railway on 10/19. I guess I will stay flexible for those until closer to time.
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annhig-It's been a month ago, but I did read your entire thread early on in planning and so many people gaves thumbs down to Interlaken. I also read your report upon returning. I realize Interlaken is the best choice for train travel. Also, you did not really care for your hotel.>>
oh dear, foolfortravel, I may not have done it justice then! but I just reread my thread and honestly, i think that I said I liked it! Admittedly it wasn't very central [which may be an advantage] but it was convenient for the Interlaken West station, for the lake Thun boat, and for the Altstadt which didn't seem to attract the same hordes of tourists that the centre did. and as ever, had the weather been better I'm sure that we would have made more of its facilities.
If you'd rather be at the other end of town, nearer Interlaken Ost which is the access station for the Jungfrau region, then the Hotel du Lac looked very nice, and a ironically had more attractive position than the Beau-site.
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"neckervd-why do sites even post forecast that far out if they are "fake news?""
I don't know where you found such "forecasts". The official Swiss site never gives forecasts for more than one week. Swiss television usually shows the probability of the forecasts: it's usually around 80-100 per cent for the next 2-3 days and goes then down to something like 50 per cent for the last of the 7 days.
As to the trend for the week beginning with October 15th, all we know is that some humid, but not particularly cold air may proceed up to the alpine area (or not). That would mean, that there might be some rain at some places along the "rain belt" Gruyeres - Bernese - Oberland - Lucerne - Appenzell, but probably rather not in the Rhone Valley between Martigny and Brig. There could be snowfall instead of rain above some 2000 metres along the shadowy Northern side of the Alps, but most probably not along the sunny slopes. The probability for all that is below 50 per cent, however.
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However, I was planning on buying the German train ticket from Frankfurt-Basel SBB in>
You may want to price at www.bahn.de/en a Frankfurt-Grindelwald ticket and save a day on the pass maybe - maybe not - could very cheap though you are probably too late for deepest discounted fares.
Global Pass = Golden Pass. Nice yes to buy the pass ahead of time but unless it is pre-activated you will still have to go to a ticket window in Basel to activate it - passes can be pre-activated but then are no longer refundable if need come up. For hints on where to go by train if not Grindelwald check www.budgeteuropetravel.com and www.ricksteves.com - if going to Lucerne from Interlaken area be sure to take the Golden Pass Brunig Pass route and not the mainline route via Bern - about same time but Brunig (of course has regular trains too) is far more scenic.
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Pal-The Swiss Rail Pass comes pre-activated so I was not planning on getting off the train in Basel. As it is, I will have one unused day on the 8 day pass, so will definitely use it for this journey. I have not bought the Frankfurt-Basel SBB tickets yet. Is that pretty easy to do at home in US or should I just wait buy in Frankfurt on Thursday? Last I looked, the 8:50 out was 49.90 for 2nd class.
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Today Thursday, Oct 12th: sunny, may be some inoffensive clouds in the evening, temperature at noon 22 degrees centigrade/76 degrees Fahrenheit)
Friday: sunny, 70 F
Saturday: sunny, 68 F
Sunday: sunny, 70 F
Monday, sunny 72 F
Tuesday, sunny, 70 F
Wednesday, sunny, 74 F
Thursday, some sun, some clouds, 76 F
today: very cloudy, 55 F
Friday: very cloudy, 58 F
Saturday: sunny, 63 F
Sunday: sunny, 67 F
Monday: sunny, 67 F
Tuesday: sunny, 63 F
Wednesday: sunny, 65 F
Thursday: some sun, some clouds, may be some rain in the afternoon/evening
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Is that pretty easy to do at home in US or should I just wait buy in Frankfurt on Thursday? Last I looked, the 8:50 out was 49.90 for 2nd class.>
Is that a full-fare ticket or discounted one - if so the latter it is train-specific and non-changeable and refundable with $20 or so fee - if full fare then you could buy it at Frankfurt - if in conjunction with flying if discounted restrictable leave plenty of time for plane to be late.
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Last I looked, the 8:50 out was 49.90 for 2nd class.>
For what exact date?
49 euros must be a discounted fare as full fare is 80 some euros I see on www.bahn.de/en -discounted fares will not be available often at ticket windows a few days before (or may be I don't know) but to snag that cheap fare I'd buy online and be sure to have it.
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A Frankfurt airport - Berne bus ticket for this evening or for tomorrow costs about 23 EUR (7 hrs journey)
Up to Basel it would be 15 EUR
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The current forecast is about 15 degrees (F) warmer and a LOT dryer than I had at Champex-Lac in mid-September! Also less windy.
(This is from both the Swiss weather site and Weather Underground.)
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nelson - I like weather underground too!
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annhig, yes Weather Ground seems pretty good here in Colorado too, though like any weather forecast it's best at the less than 4 days out range.
I saved their screenshot showing the weather deteriorating on the day I arrived, sunny and pleasant turning to wet and cool for the entire week. That's exactly what happened.
Maybe I'm weird but I felt that the inclement weather made it all the more dramatic. However, I did have proper clothing, which makes a difference.
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Hello all! Thank you for your input. I've been
Offline due to start of my trip.
Weather looks good, if not great for our time
In The BO. I have a suitcase of winter clothes
that warded off the inclement weather Gods
for the first 3 days in Switzerland. But Thurs-
sat in Montreux/Lake Geneva area looks rainy.
I had plenty of Plan B's for the BO but
Not yet for Montreux area. I have a good
Rain jacket and umber, so as long as
We don't have torrential downpours, we will
Slog ahead w/ recs given in a previous
Post. Going to open up my Fodors Swiss
Guide now for some museum/shopping recs.
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Actual Swiss weather:
Nothing but sun all over Switzerland, from Chancy up to Gluorn/Calven battlefield and from Aettebaerg am Randen up to Rimaelju and Im Land im Sesertal. Temperatures up to 25 degrees centigrade.
Snow line in Valais around 3000 metres.
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Arrived in Grindelwald at 2:30p and it was so
warm! Loved it! Clear blue skies! We are
very fortunate! We took Mannelichen gondola
up but unfortunately there was not
Enough time to make the hike over to
catch the train back to Gwald so back
down on same gondola.
Staying at The Belvedere in Grindenwald.
Room was blazing hot at 3p checkin but
Should cool down quickly as sun sets. The
Views here are stunning! Eating dinner
from limited menu at hotel restaurant.
What should be our itinerary for tomorrow
another perfect weather day? You all are
the experts!
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Jungfrau if can avoid it! Bundle up really cold up top. You hit unsually warm weather for October.
If you don't want Jungfraujoch consider training to Lauterbrunnen and doing Murren-Schilthorn-Gimmelwald-Lauterbrunnen Loop (if a Swiss Pass nearly all is covered in full save 50% off on Murren to Schilthorn/Piz Gloria cable. Much more than just a mountain top.
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Thanks Happytrvlr and Pal! A combo of the
Cost of Jungfrou trip being so expensive
combined w/ having done
Zugspitze near Munich last year w/ push us
In a direction as Pal rec'ds.
Oh my goodness, so much cowbell and cow
Smell......if you get my drift
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if you have a swiss rail half price card, you can, I believe, get to the top of the Jungfrau for a figure that is merely jaw dropping as opposed to eye popping.
with a swiss pass, you get 25% off.
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that Murren Loop has so much - Murren -famous perched resort - not much to linger there though.
The long long cable ride to Piz Gloria - the building on The Schilthorn (venue of much of filming of James Bond's On Her Majesty's Secret Service when this building with famous revolving restaurant was under construction - ice grottos and a view on a platform literally in middle of nowhere but icy rocky peaks with views for miles.
Then take cable via Murren to Gimmelwald - unique out in middle of nowhere farming hamlet (hold nose if cows are back down yet!) - famous hotel restaurant featuring typical mountain fare - and thrilling cable car that seems to plunge down to Lauterbrunnen Valley at Stechelberg for postal bus back to Lauterbrunnen.
Want some easy walks? I have three in mind that could be done on parts of this loop - my favorite excursion in JungfrauLand.
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Pal-tell me the walks before 8 am Grindenwald
Time Tues!
Annhig-did you and your dh visit the top of
Europe? I have a Swiss Rail Pass, so still
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1 take cable car to Grutschalp from Lauterbrunnen then walk few flat miles near cliff edge to Murren
2- Murren to Gimmelwald nice few-mile paved walking path downhill along cliff edge
3- Stechelberg to Lauterbrunnen few mile flat along small stream - Trummelbach Falls is just before Lauterbrunnen (free entry with Swiss Pass I think)
Jungfrau has early morning special but leaves early - can return on any train - still only 25% off with Swiss Pass.
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Annhig-did you and your dh visit the top of Europe? I have a Swiss Rail Pass, so still $$$$ >>
yes we did and if you can get up there on a clear day, well worth it. you may not need to reserve seat for coming back down [you need a ticket of course] as you really can't tell how long you'll want to be up there which will save you a few €.
When we got back to K/Sheidegg we got off and had a snack and then walked down to Wengenalp, where there is an inn, with apparently a very good restaurant. We sat in the sun and had Kaffee und Kuchen; the views of the Jungfraujoch from there and from the walk itself are very fine. You just follow the railway line.
You can carry on walking down to Wengen but the rest of the walk goes through woods so we didn't bother - there are frequent trains back to Wengen from Wengenalp.
more details in my TR if you click on my screen name.
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Thank you PalenQ for 3 good hikes suggestions. It was a great day in 'dem hills! Sunny w/ temps in the 60's. After an amazing breakfast spread at our Hotel Belvedere, we caught the train to Lauterbrunnen, then the cable car to Grutshalp. From there we had a lovely flat walk to Murren along the cliff's edge. Delightful! We enjoyed lunch w/ a view at Hotel Edelweiss. High marks for the salad, rosti and a mug beer. Then we shelled out 120 cfh (that is w/ our Swiss Rail Pass 50% discount) for 3 of us and up, up and away to 007 land or Piz Gloria on The Schilthorn. A round of incredible views and expressos were had then back down cable to
Murren. We then walked to Gimmewald. This took a toll on ankles, shins and feet. Next up was cable to Stechelberg, walk to Lauterbrunnen and train back to Grindelwald. Had to rest up before dinner at Hotel Eiger complete w/ Rosti and Raclette.
So, what should we do tomorrow...another gorgeous fall day! I need to see the esteemed town of Wengen and Trummelbach falls. Should we also head to lake brienz for boat ride? Our time in Montreux looking rainy
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Annhig-Thanks for your reply. We will do this
Next trip for sure. The gondolas were crowded
And noisy at Schilthorn so can imagine they
Were even worse at top of Europe!
What do you rec'd for our trip to Wengen?
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When? Nothing special in Wengen. Consider Shynige Platte train and Alpine Garden?
Surprised Schilthorn so mobbed at this time of year!
But a boat trip on Lake Brienz would be my suggestion- get off at Geissbach Falls - walk to Reichenbach Falls (where Sherlock Holmes and archenemy Prof Moriarity tangled on a belvedere with the evil prof presumably falling to his death) and Meiringen - since you are into walking!
Hazy on details of Geissbach-Reichenbach walk - maybe take boat to Meiringen (home of meringue!) and easy stroll from there - take old funicular up falls and walk down.
Lots of piossibilities other than that - Brienz and Brienzer Rothorn Bahn steam railway up mountain top - I had a lovely zigzagging walk down to Brienz - or postal bus from Meiringen or Brienz to famous open-air museum - name escapes me - free with Swiss Pass.
Brienz yes if nice day for variety of things if you are mountained out - Wengen really just a cute village with little to do but with Trummelbach down below via cable car could be nice.
Could of course take train to Wengen via Lauterbrunnen then back to Interlaken-Ost for shorter but nice boat ride - boats leave from behind station. 100% covered by Swiss Pass. But best seats open-air front deck are 1st class - can do with upgrade with 2nd class pass - not that much.
Take trains back from Brienz or Meiringen.
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If doing Wengen then you may want to consider a boat ride on Lake Thun, which should take less time I think - take boats to Spiez say for the awesome castle looming over the boat docks and or Thun, a lovely city or Oberhofen also with nice lakeside castle and sweet smaller town. Can take train back to Interlaken from Thun or Spiez.
IMO the views from Lake Thun boats are nicer than Brienz - views of the Jungfrau Massif not really in view IME from most of Brienz cruises.
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Poor forecast equates to beautiful weather.
What's not to like?!
PalenQ's recs served me well last month. Thx for that and have fun foolforfrance.
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We liked Lake Brienz, and wished we'd got off and explored the waterfall on the southern side of the lake just before you get to Brienz, but probably because we had a lovely sunny day, whereas when we went to Thun it was pretty wet.
I agree with Pal though that a day exploring Thun and Spiez by boat and train is probably a better option.
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fool should hopefully be soon reporting back!
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I believe the falls to which annhig refers are Giessbach Falls.
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Yup Giessbach Falls and an antique funicular takes you to the top of the falls - there is a famous hotel there too with restaurant. Great natural area of forests tumbling down to lakes framing the roaring cascade.
Boats are about hourly in season -just about right for this. As I said above we walked from there to Meiringen a few miles away on a nice easy scenic walking trail.
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I don't believe the funicular takes you to the TOP of the Giesbachfallen -- when I was there (2013), the funicular took you to the hotel at the BASE of the falls, from which one can walk up a steep trail beside the falls.
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Oh, and there was a midday break in the boat schedules when I was there....
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Oh, and there was a midday break in the boat schedules when I was there>>
not really - unless you count their not putting on a boat at 13.10 and 13.40 [Brienzersee and Thunersee respectively] as a midday break - the boats that are on the water still keep going!
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I don't believe the funicular takes you to the TOP of the Giesbachfallen>
Naw I should have said base of falls but meant to top of base of falls!
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There are actally 2 boats operating on Lake Brienz (until Sunday 22nd):
I'laken dp 9.07 - Brienz 10.20/10.40 - I'laken 11.53/12.07 - Brienz 13.30/13.40 - I'laken 14.53/16.07 - Brienz 17.20/17.40 - I'laken ar 18.53
I'laken dp 11.07 - Brienz 12.20/12.40 - I'laken 13.53/14.07 - Brienz 15.20/15.40 - I'laken ar 16.53
similar timetable on Lake Thun (until November 5th):
Thun dp 9.40 - I'laken 11.49/12.10 - Thun 14.20/14.40 - Beatenbucht 16.21/16.22 - Thun ar 17.50
Thun dp 11.40 - I'laken 13.49/14.10 - Thun ar 16.20
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@ annhig: haha! You are, of course, correct – the boats already on the water didn't stop for a midday break.
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and it's worth adding, kja, that they serve food and drink too. Not cheap but a nice treat if you are using the boats for sightseeing purposes as opposed to transport as we did.
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And bring your own food and drink onboard too -but don't picnic in the dining room!
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Thanks to all and sorry for going dark for a
Few days. On Wed we got a late start
traveling from Grindenwald to Wengen. We
Walked around a fairly deserted village then
Had a nice lunch at Pasta and More. Then
Had to wait a bit for train to Lauterbrunnen
and bus to Trummelbach Falls. That was
Such a treat! By the time we waited for
Bus back to Lauterbrunnen we were low
On steam and time to head to Interlaken.
Many things close or stop running on the
Early side this time of year.
I need to make a new post entitled "Most
perfect weather was enjoyed in Grindenwald
And surroundings 10/16-19!
Pal-We were happy w/ Grindelwald. The Belvedere Hotel was a good choice and the staff took
Great care of us. The breakfast spread was
We left Thurs am and connected to the Golden
Pass train (had to chg in Interlaken and take
A bus from Wimmis to Zweissimman due to
Construction. Train trip was a feast for our
Eyes! More details to come in trip report.
Fodorites are the best!!!
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sounds like you made the most of previewed poor weather!
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The weather here in the Swiss Alps was fine all the time (until today), as announced by Swissmeteo a week ago (and not weeks ahead as some foreign weather stations seem to do).
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But how accuraten are those Swissmeteo forecasts? Cannot weather in Alps change quickly?
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On my Tour du Mont Blanc last month the guide used Swissmeteo. Still, she didn't put much faith into anything more than a couple of days out.
I arrived on Sunday and took this screenshot of the impending Weather Underground forecast:
I had been watching it all week from home, and it had been 70's F and sunny every day. IMHO, it's worth paying attention when there is a major change like that only a few days out. I added some warmer clothing to my bag just before departing on Saturday and was glad I did, I used all of it!
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We had lots of variation in weather last month, had some wet weather back up plans, but still, even with 8 nights in Wengen it did mean we missed a few things on my wish list....but we were so fortunate in the upper Engadin with gorgeous weather and even snow. I guess we were well prepared, clothing wise, but endless rain would have been very dispiriting.
Glad you had a wonderful time. We certainly did.
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To Palen:
Weather in the Alps can change very rapidly, of course (that's whart I repeat in this forum ever and ever..)
Therefore Swissmeteo (and Swiss television) never makes forecasts for more than a week, without missing to mention the probability of their previsions for every day.
That may sound like that:
Tomorrow Sunday, most of the time sunny and dry in Ticino and in the Rhone Valley of Valais, cloudy and rainy along the Northern side of the Alps (Bernese Oberland - Lucerne - Appenzell) and in the Eastern Alps, many clouds but usually dry over the Western midlands, rainy over the Eastern midlands and in Jura. Towards the evening, improvement coming from the West with some sunshine over the Western midlands and in the Basel area.
Temperatures in the South around 24 degrees, in the midlands around 20 degrees, 0 degrees in the South around 3500 metres, in the North around 2900 metres.
Low West winds in the midlands, getting stronger along the Jura heights, almost no wind in Ticino.
Probability around 90 per cent.
Monday, some morning fog over the Lakes in the midlands, otherwise sunny. Some remaining clouds in the Alps which may cause some rainfall in the morning, especially along the Northern slopes and in Engadin. Then more and more sunny. Probability around 80 per cent.
Thursday and Friday, uncertain evolution. Most probably sunny and dry in the Southern mountains and in Ticino, may be rainy in the North East. Probability not more than 50 per cent.
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Thanks and a reason to keep Alpine daily schedules in flux with opitons for not uncommon ever poor weather.
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Posted 1/10/2013 10:51 PM (GMT -7)
Hi, my dad found out in december he has prostate cancer and that his gleason score is 8. He is still waiting on the results to see if it has spread and so hasnt recieved any treatment yet. He is 57 and normally the fittest person you could meet, going and doing Ironman contests around the world. He has started going blind in one eye for a while then regaining his sight and the other day started throwing up so much blood that he collapsed and needed 3 blood transfusions to save him. They found a tear in is throat and sealed it but is still at this minute in hospital because his blood score is still dropping. I dont know if this is some how connected to the cancer but we thought we were gonna lose him.
I guess I was hoping that being so normally fit and healthy would improve his chances but I think deep down I know that thats probably not the case. Could someone tell me what his chances are with a score of 8 please. Hes always been like superman to me growing up and I really cant imagine losing him.
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Posted 1/10/2013 11:01 PM (GMT -7)
Hi there,
Can you give us any additional information -- such as his PSA (current and, if available, previous one) and the staging?
A Gleason 8 is a pretty aggressive form of prostate cancer, but the other numbers (if you can give them to us) will give us more insight on what his situation is.
Hard to say if the eye & throat problems are connected. Could be unrelated issues.
Since your dad would seem to otherwise be very fit and aggressively competitive, these attributes will indeed help him in this battle. His physical strength and iron will are things that will keep him in a very good frame of mind.
If the PC has not spread -- and possibly even if it has -- there are many, many effective ways of treating it these days.
So try to hang in there and wait until the other results come in. If you'd like, please share them with us, along with the other info I mentioned up above.
Good luck to him!
July 2011 local PSA lab reading 6.41 (from 4.1 in 2009). Mayo Clinic PSA Sept. 2011 was 5.7.
Local urologist DRE revealed significant BPH, but no lumps.
PCa Dx Aug. 2011 at age of 61.
Biopsy revealed adenocarcinoma in 3 of 20 cores (one 5%, two 20%). T2C.
Gleason score 3+3=6.
CT of abdomen, bone scan both negative.
DaVinci prostatectomy 11/1/11 at Mayo Clinic (Rochester, MN), nerve sparing, age 62.
My surgeon was Dr. Matthew Tollefson, who I highly recommend.
Final pathology shows tumor confined to prostate.
5 lymph nodes, seminal vesicles, extraprostatic soft tissue all negative.
1.0 x 0.6 x 0.6 cm mass involving right posterior inferior,
right posterior apex & left mid posterior prostate. Right
posterior apex margin involved by tumor over a 0.2 cm length, doctor says this is insignificant.
Prostate 98.3 grams, tumor 2 grams. Prostate size 5.0 x 4.7 x 4.5 cm.
Catheter out in 7 days. No incontinence, occasional minor dripping.
First post-op exam 2/13/12, PSA <0.1.
Only semi-erections so far, with continued improvement.
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Posted 1/10/2013 11:15 PM (GMT -7)
I dont know much about
the readings my mam said that the samples tested originally 80% cancer was found and the score was 8. Sorry for the lack of info I wasnt there at the time and my parents were struggling to take it all in.
He got the test for his bones done yesterday and is getting scanned next tuesday. They said it would be about
3 weeks until he gets the results and they talk about
I saw on some other sites that at level 8 the person has around 5 years to live, is that true? or is that worse case and no treatment?
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Posted 1/11/2013 8:47 AM (GMT -7)
Hello Mant01, Sorry to hear about
your dad's problems and your worries. I am pleased to be able to tell you that a Gleason score of 8 doesn't equal a five year life expectancy. My Gleason score is 9 and I plan to be around and making trouble for a long, long time.
From what little you've told us (which I realize is probably all you know) your dad has quite a bit of high-risk cancer. He will definitely need treatment. The tests they are doing now are trying to decide which sort of treatment is best. Because he is young and mostly healthy (aside from the throat thing) the doctors will look first for "curative" treatments -- to get rid of the cancer altogether. There are a number of options (Surgery, different kinds of radiation). They all have side effects that tend to suck but they mostly work fairly well depending on where the cancer is and how far it has spread. If they decide that the cancer is too advanced to attempt a "cure" don't freak out. Cancer that can't be cured can usually be managed so that the patient lives with it with few or minor symptoms until he dies of something else -- even with a Gleason score of 8.
Good luck to your dad. Calm down. He'll be OK-ish.
Keep us posted as you find out more.
Slow PSA rise 2007-2012: 1.4=>8
4 bxs 2010-2012:
1)neg (some inflammation),
3)positive 1 of 14 cores GS6(3+3) 3-4%, 2nd opinion GS7(3+4)
Mild Pre-op ED
DaVinci RRP 6/14/12. left nerve spared
Path: pT3a pN0 R1 GS9(4+5) Pos margins on rt
Start 24 mo ADT3 7/26/12
Adjuvant IMRT 66.6 Gy 10/17/12 - 12/13/12
Incontinent, Trimix, VED
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Posted 1/11/2013 2:30 PM (GMT -7)
Thanks alot for the responces, made me feel abit better and more positive. I'll post how he gets on, thanks again.
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Posted 1/11/2013 2:34 PM (GMT -7)
I can't say it better than PeterDA just did above - and will add my best wishes to you and your Pops.
55 yrs old, excellent health - DX'd with PCa July '12
Biopsy 6/27/12
9 of 12 Gleason: 3+3 <5%, 3+3 <5%, 3+3 <5%, 3+3 <5%, 3+4 5-10%, 3+4 <5%, 3+4 5-10%, 3+4 30-40%, 3+4 15-20% (All neg perineural invasion)
Negative DRE's / NO / MO / T1C / Gland size 40gm / Vol. 22gm
Volume Study 8/14/12
Casodex 50mg daily, 5 wks prior, 2 wks post BT
LDR BT on 9/21/12 – no issues
3 mo PSA 12/20 0.48!
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Posted 1/11/2013 2:59 PM (GMT -7)
I will add I was a Gleason 8 and had surgery in May of 2008 and so far doing great. It sounds like your dad has a great support base and you will be there to get him through this. Are you in an area that has specialists to deal with prostate cancer?
Age 48 at diagnosis (52 now)
occupation accountant
PSA increased from 2.6 to 3.5 in one year
biopsy March 2008 - cancer present gleason 7
Robotic Surgery May 9, 2008 - Houston, TX (Methodist Hospital)
Pathology report -gleason 8, clear margins
PSA since surgery <.04
continent at 10 weeks (no pads!)
ED is still an issue
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Posted 1/11/2013 3:32 PM (GMT -7)
Sorry to hear about
your dad.
There are many men here that are doing well with Gleason 8 and 9.
You will probably have more post later.
Your dad sounds otherwise very healthy so that will help a lot.
Good luck, give him a hug and tell him he'll be fine.
Age 62
Feb. 2012 - PSA 18.5 Biopsy 4/27/12
Positive 10 of 12 cores, orginal Gleason 6
DaVinci Surgery 07/17/12 Dr. Vipul Patel, cath removed in 6 days, pos. margins, bladder neck involvement.
Gleason 3+4=7, involving 50% of gland, weight 57 g. Stage pT3a Lymph node involvement: 0/4
1st post op PSA 8/30/12 <0.1
2nd PSA 12/12/12 <0.1
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Posted 1/11/2013 6:26 PM (GMT -7)
I was Gleason 8/9, downgraded to Gleason 7 after surgery. The biopsy is just a guess at the actual situation. Get all the information you can, both on your Dad's options and on his personal stats. I'm no Ironman, but am fit enough and am getting along just fine.
Age: 57
Dx: 3rd biopsy 3/3/12; 6 of 7 Right, 70%, Gleason 4+3; 1 of 7 Left, 20%, Gleason 4+4. 2nd Opinion, Gleason 5+4. Extensive perineural invasion on right.
RALP: 4/19/12; Right nerves taken. Left nerves spared; catheter 9 days;
Path rept: Neg Margins on surgical specimen; extraprostatic extension; neg SV; neg LN; Gleason downgraded to 4+3.
PSA: 12.01 pre-op; 8/3/12 <0.02; 11/4/12 <0.02
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Posted 1/11/2013 6:42 PM (GMT -7)
As others have said without more info it's unknown what treatment will follow. I'm his age with gleason 8-9's but it wasn't caught in time for possible curative surgery. I hope the available treatments keep me going for years. His finess will come in handy if he starts HT. Please followup with more info when possible.
Diagnosed@55 GL 8-9
CT pos lymph, Bone scan inconclusive
8/12 Casodex/Zoladex
11/27/12 PSA .8 T 2 recvd 2nd shot
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Posted 1/11/2013 11:17 PM (GMT -7)
Thanks alot everyone I appreciate each comment very much. Rob2 Im not sure about
specialists in the area but will update this once we know more about
his results. Thank again
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The Ramkhamhaeng National Museum
inside the park, displays gifts from the ex-abbot of Wat Ratchathani and art objects unearthed in Sukhothaiand nearby provinces. It is open daily from 9.00 a.m. – 4.00 p.m. Admission fee 30 baht. Tel. (055) 612167
The north and the south walls of the ancient city are each 2,000 metres long, where as the east and the west walls are each 1,600 metres long. The walls contain four main gates. A stone inscription mentions that King Ramkhamhaeng set up a bell at one of the gates. If his subject needed help, they would ring the bell and the King would come out to settle disputes and dispense justice.
Wat Traphang-Thong-Lang
Wat Traphang-Thong-Lang houses a square Mondop which is beautifully decorated by stucco figures in niches. The southern side portrays the Lord Buddha flanked by angels. To the west portrays the Lord Buddha preaching to his father and relatives. The northern side depicts the episode when the Lord Buddha returned to preach to his wife. These stucco figures, especially those on the south side, are masterpieces of Sukhothai art.
Wat Chedi-Sung
Wat Chedi-Sung is situated near Wat Traphang Thong Lang. The upper part of the Chedi is round. The base is constructed in three tiered stages. This interesting Sukhothai type of Chedi is of Sivijaya and Singhalese-styles. In front of the Chedi stands a small Wihan.
The Ramkhamhaeng National Park (Khao Luang, Sukhothai)
This exquisite national park with a combined natural and historical background covers an area of 314 square kilometers, and was declared to be a national park on 27 October, 1980.
High hills and steep cliffs some over 1,200 meters above sea level, together with fascinating falls, different species to plants and wildlife are some of the major attractions available in this park offered to nature loving tourists or visitors. Furthermore, the archaeological and historical sites with ancient remains and relics make the park even more attractive, especially for critics and theologians.
To reach the park by road, take Highway no. 1 from Bangkok, then at km. 414 (20 kilometres to Sukhothai) take the lest turn along the laterite road for another 16 kilometres till arriving at the park's office.
Sawankhaworanayok National Museum
Sawankhaworanayok National Museum is 38 kilometres from Sukhothai and 2 kilometres further on a road on the left. The museum features sculptural art from various periods; the most interesting being Sukhothai era and Sangkhalok items retrieved form sunken vessels in the Gulf of Thailand. lt is open daily except Monday, Tuesdays and public holidays, from 8.30 a.m. – 4.00 p.m. Entry fee is 30 baht per person. For more information Tel; (055) 641571
Celadon Kiln Site Study and Conservation Center
Celadon Kiln Site Study and Conservation Center is located at Ban Ko Noi, some 4 kilometres to the north of Si Satchanalai. More than 500 kilns have been excavated up to now. Numerous celadon wares in perfect condition as well as potsherds have been discovered. The kiln is oval in shape with a curved roof and is 7-8 metres wide.
The centre consists of 2 buildings situated on the kiln site area with 2 kilns Nos. 42 and 61 exhibited on site. There are also exhibitions on artifacts and on the evolution of ancient ceramic wares.
Si Satchanalai National Park
Si Satchanalai National Park has a total area of 213 square kilometres. It covers areas in Amphoe Si Satchanalai and Amphoe Thung Saliam of SukhothaiProvince. It was proclaimed a National park on 8 May, 1981.
The Park's geography is mainly high, undulating mountains by a tropical jungle. Interesting tourist sport in the park include Tat Dao and Tat Duan Waterfalls, about 3 kilometres and 500 metres from the park headquarters, respectively. The park also has a hot spring, Khangkhao Cave, and Thara Wasan Cave.
Si Satchanalai National Park can be reached by car. From Amphoe Si Satchanalai, take the Si Satchanalai-Ban Kaeng-Huai Yuak route for 41 kilometres. Then 5 kilometres before the intersection to Ban Yuak, there is a right-hand road which you take for another 2 kilometres to the park headquarters.
Sangkhalok Museum
Sangkhalok is the name of ceramic wares produced in the old city of Sukhothai. The museum displays the collection of Sangkhalok and ceramic wares produced some 700 years ago in the Lanna Kingdom (now the northern region of Thailand). The museum is just one kilometre from town on the road to Phitsanulok. It is open daily from 8 a.m.-5 p.m. Admission is 100 baht for adults and 20 baht for children.


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Star Wars: Rebellion
Droid Rights
Droid Rights
San Herrera and Nia Reston
(as transcribed by Morrie Mullins from a short paper sent as a press release
to every news agency and government office in the Cularin system)
San Herrera and Nia Reston, the young Force adepts who previously seemed obsessed with
death and worked to provide "aid" to the Tarasin, have a new cause. They argue that droids
have rights, just like everyone else, and should be respected — and set free.
We suggest that droids have rights, by virtue of being sentient beings. Too long have droids labored for those
whose only claim to superiority is the ability to fit circuit boards together, weld a chassis, or install power cells. A
droid, once completed, is a sentient being with goals and desires of its own, and should be treated as such. In
this paper, we explore the notion that droids have historically been mistreated, that their basic rights as sentient
beings have been perpetually subjugated by organic species, and that unless a paradigmatic shift occurs in how
we consider droids, we will find ourselves in danger of violating the very will of the Force.
First, a note on language. In common usage, a "droid" is any mechanical construction that demonstrates some
amount of decision-making capacity and which is created in order to serve the organic species of the galaxy. The
term "droid" is, in our minds, derogatory and demeaning, as it reduces the variety of mechanical individuals who
work throughout the galaxy into a single named class, without regard for the beauty and uniqueness each offers.
Because of the offense we take at the labeling of these individuals as "droids," for the purposes of this paper we
will refer to all such individuals as "synthetic people" or "synthetic persons." Thus, we recognize their inherent
individuality while still acknowledging the general lack of carbon-based organic systems that most of our species
share in common.
The plight of the synthetic person is one that begins far back in the annals of galactic history. The earliest records
of synthetic people show that they were created as a servant class on worlds that believed themselves to be too
refined to support slavery. Early synthetic people were little more than boxes designed to process information
and provide feedback to their "masters" — the title quickly adopted by those who either built or bought these
synthetic people.
In less than a century, the first fully functional, free-range synthetic people began to be employed in various
agricultural settings. The hottest deserts, the coldest poles, the most dangerous jungles — organic individuals
sent their synthetic people into these dangerous environments to do what the organics would not or could not do
themselves. Many synthetic people perished, destroyed by the elements or ripped apart by predators. When this
happened, their "masters" did not mourn their loss, but simply went out and bought more.
Over the course of countless years, the systematic abuse of synthetic people has become common practice.
These individuals provide significant inputs to the functioning of the galaxy on almost every level, but are not
afforded the same basic freedoms the organic citizens of the galaxy enjoy. They are, in a word, slaves, and in a
galaxy where slavery is outlawed in all but the most outlying, lawless systems, this smacks of the highest form of
hypocrisy. We believe ourselves to be "better" than slavers, to be more concerned about the fundamental rights
of individuals, but we are so indolent, so pampered, that we still cannot do the work ourselves. So we create
machines with the capacity to think and set them to the tasks we do not wish to do, never considering that when
these machines gained the capacity to reason, they also gained the capacity to hurt.
We spoke once with a synthetic person who was serving as a "protocol droid" on Coruscant. (We find it ironic
that we even have synthetic people for protocol. Is there anything the synthetic person is not expected to do?
Must we really create a class of synthetic people whose purpose is to make sure that we eat with the right fork
and bow appropriately when meeting dignitaries from other planets?) This synthetic person's actual assignment
was watching a trio of rambunctious children who seemed to delight in abusing their metallic companion. After a
particularly unpleasant-looking tumble down a set of stairs, the synthetic person picked himself up and began
making minor repairs to his torso. Every few seconds, he made a small adjustment, and then twitched. His eyes
blinked green, then gold, then green again, and he sighed.
We spoke with the synthetic person (his designation is not included herein, for fear that his masters might erase
his memory – or worse), and he informed us that this was, in fact, a standard day on the job. When asked if it
hurt to fall down the stairs, he seemed genuinely surprised by the question. "Comfort," he told us, "is not an
issue. I am uncomfortable, but it allows me to look forward to a hot oil-bath in the evening, after my wonderful
charges have been put to bed. This is what I do. I fall down stairs, and I allow myself to be kicked, hit, beaten
upon with hammers, partially dismantled, and subjected to various other indignities. I do this so that my master
does not have to suffer in these same situations. It is much better that I do so, because if I have an unpleasant
experience, I can have it erased from my memory, while my master would have to live with that experience for all
time. As such, one might say that droids are made to suffer — it's our lot in life."
It is clear, even from this brief conversation, that synthetic people do hurt, that they do experience discomfort,
and that they recognize that this discomfort falls to them because they are less important than their masters.
They are created to endure the things that organics cannot or would prefer not to endure. They recognize their
status as servants and, because of their programming, feel powerless to change it. So their solution to their pain
is to erase their own memories — to destroy the continuity of their lives. It is more important to serve the master
than to have their own identities. This is what they have been taught, or at least programmed to believe.
This pattern is so ingrained today that war rages in the galaxy with one side of the battlefield made up largely of
synthetic people. Ironically, the opposing force is largely an organic form of the synthetic person, a
mass-produced "clone" army that was created for the sole purpose of waging war. The argument could be made
that the current war actually pits one form of synthetic person against another, with relatively few free-willed
organics risking their lives (aside from the Jedi, of course). While this might be overstating the case slightly, we
suggest that it is reflective of the larger galactic problem of failing to recognize the rights of every sentient
creature to exist in the way that it finds the most meaningful and fulfilling.
As things stand, we are no better than Hutts. We start wars, but we do not fight wars. We order synthetic people
to do all our dangerous work, and then we sit back and watch. If they succeed, we prosper. If they fail, we
purchase more synthetic people. If we win a war fought by synthetic people, what have we really won? This
question in its basic form doesn't change whether we consider "droids," "clones," or both to be synthetic people.
No matter which side prevails, the war will have been won by armies lacking free will, which we suggest creates
a dangerous precedent. If soldiers can fight without free will, without any control over their own life-or-death
struggle, what does this mean for the rest of the galaxy? What does this mean for the common person on
Cularin, Coruscant, or anywhere else?
These questions are, in some respects, metapolitical. We would like to close with a set of recommendations and
a call for a more in-depth understanding of how a lack of compliance with these recommendations may cause us
to diverge from the will of the Force.
Recommendation 1: All synthetic people shall immediately be freed, and any claim of "ownership" denounced
by those who currently call themselves "master." To do less than this is to violate the basic premise that all
sentient beings are part of the vast, interrelated whole that is the Force.
Recommendation 2: Ownership of synthetic people shall be outlawed in any star system that claims loyalty to
the Republic and which remains bound by the decisions of the Galactic Senate. Any individual who wishes to
employ a synthetic person should pay that synthetic person at a rate equivalent to that of an organic worker with
the same knowledge and skill set. Again, because of the interrelatedness of all things, this is the only way to
adhere to the precepts of the light side of the Force.
Recommendation 3: Any situation deemed too dangerous for an organic creature shall likewise be viewed as
too dangerous for a synthetic person, and thus avoided. Any synthetic person who agrees to engage in
particularly dangerous activities should receive hazard pay. We recommend that such pay be at least twice that
individual's standard wages.
Recommendation 4: Memory wipes without the express written consent of a synthetic person shall be made
illegal and shall be punishable as if the individual performing the wipe had just performed involuntary
neurosurgery on a self-aware organic individual. Our past is all that we are, and to violate that is to remove some
portion of an individual's essential connection to the Force.
There are many perspectives on the nature of "life," some of which are implicit in our arguments. We accept that
some in the galaxy will not agree with our assumptions or our assessment of the situation. However, we can no
longer stand idly by while an entire class of sentient beings is systematically enslaved by a society that professes
to be above slavery.
If we are truly above slavery, then we have only one choice: We must recognize the rights of synthetic people,
and free them. Free them now!


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Tineke Wilders
North County Times
I was recently challenged to design a series of container gardens for a small patio with an eastern exposure. However, the assignment had one unusual aspect: The gardener is blind. She wanted fragrance.
The results were very pleasant and what I selected was a grouping of scented plants, mostly herbs, as well as some edible flowers that can be enjoyed by all. I gladly share my findings with you. I explored a variety of plants that would appeal to all the senses:
- Plants with scented foliage
- Plants for touching
- Plants with fragrant flowers
- Plants of taste: the culinary herbs
- Edible flowers.
Let's start with the scented foliage plants, those that release fragrance as you gently rub the leaves with your fingers:
Corsican mint: A groundcover with very small leaves (similar to Baby's tears) with a pungent peppermint odor. It will form a dense carpet, grows quickly by underground stems and asks to be walked on.
Lavender: All parts of lavender plants are aromatic and more than a dozen different varieties of this old-fashioned plant are on the market. Look for old English, Spanish, French and several dwarf varieties. All produce purple/blue/lavender flowers that are edible.
Lemon verbena: Home gardeners use leaves in beverages, jellies and desserts. Dried leaves can be added to potpourris, herb sachets and pillows. This highly scented plant is also used in soaps, perfumes and cosmetics.
Scented leaf geranium: Many exciting scents to choose from, so I'll mention only a few: peppermint, lemon, rose, apple, filbert and nutmeg. The pretty flowers are edible and look pretty in ice cubes to decorate a summer drink.
Plants for touch:
Hen and chicks (Echeveria) or houseleek (Sempervivum): Young baby plants grow tightly around the first rosette of leaves.
Lamb's ears (Stachys): This interesting plant is covered with silky-soft white wool. Its fuzzy foliage makes a beautiful ground cover.
Fragrant flowers:
Heliotrope: Clusters of sweet-scented flowers.
Sweet alyssum: Creates a carpet of blossoms with delicate fragrance.
Marigold: Frilled flowers in gold or amber, fern-like foliage, profuse blooms with a strong odor, which some people may find objectionable.
Garden verbena: Small multicolored flowers in clusters on low spreading plants.
Flowering tobacco (Nicotiana): Related to the petunia, with tubular star-shaped flowers, which give the heaviest perfume in the evening.
Kitchen herbs:
These herbs are used for flavoring or seasoning food, or in herbal teas. They should be used fresh, but with an overharvest, can also be dried. A bonus is that the flowers of these plants are also edible.
Spearmint and peppermint: The oil distilled from the leaves is used for flavoring chewing gum, candy, toothpaste and is delicious fresh in tea.
Chives: Small, slender, with hollow leaves that can be chopped finely and add delicate onion flavor to salads, soups and stews.
Garden sage: Grayish-green leaves used as seasoning for poultry and sausage.
Pineapple sage: Leaves with fruity fragrance used to flavor jellies, stewed fruits and iced drinks.
Sweet basil: One of the most popular herbs in the mint family used mainly in tomato dishes.
Rosemary: Aromatic leaves used in seasoning meats and soups. Oils used in perfumery and medicine. Has pretty lavender/blue flowers.
Edible flowers:
Besides the flowers of the above kitchen herbs, these, too, are edible. Flowers are best used when freshly picked in the morning, as a garnish, in salads, floating in soups, or pressed into open-face cream-cheese sandwiches. They look lovely frozen inside ice cubes floating in a summer punch bowl.
Warning: Make sure that these flowering plants have never been treated with a toxic pesticide! If you can't be sure, always use organically grown plants. A good place to find these is our local farmers market. Before use, wash them gently and blot them dry.
Nasturtium: Flowers in red, yellow and orange, offering a mild peppery flavor.
Borage: Its cucumber-flavored flowers are high in calcium, potassium and mineral salts and can be used as a garnish or added to salads. They can also be crystallized for cake decorations.
Pansy and viola tricolor (Johnny Jump Up): Flowers are candied on pastries and confections. Add a handful of purple or white violet flowers to salads, garnish grilled meats, or top a cake.
Calendula/pot marigold: Add marigold petals to soups, stews, or use raw in salads.
These are but a small sampling of plants that entice the senses. Check the herb selection at your favorite garden center.
Tineke Wilders is a free-lance garden writer/broadcaster in North County. E-mail her at: email@example.com.


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China, officially the People's Republic of China, in Asia, is the world's most populous state, with a population of over a billion The state is governed by its vanguard party based in the capital of Beijing. It exercises jurisdiction over 22 provinces, five autonomous regions, four direct-controlled municipalities (Beijing, Tianjin, Shanghai, and Chongqing), two mostly self-governing special administrative regions (Hong Kong and Macau), and claims sovereignty over Taiwan.
Ancient History
China has long been the locus of odd phenomenon. One million years ago, the aliens of K'un-Lun came to live there. Early on, they encountered their plant-like enemies.
The Missing Link lived in what later became China.[1]
A group of Lemurians fleeing the sinking of their continent made it to the coast of the Thurian continent. They were enslaved by the natives, but would later defeat their masters and force them to flee. These fleeing masters became the Stygians and later the pre-Arab Egyptians. The Lemurians became the Khitains.
Khitai became the source of much attention during the Hyborian Age. Paiking was an important city. Yag-Kosha, an extraterrestrial, came to live there. Jong Tsak became a noted mercenary. During the Hyborian Age, a figure claiming to be Death appeared to Conan in Khitai (forerunners of the Chinese). He dismissed this as an impostor. He would later encounter the Great Wall of Khitai, a forerunner to the Great Wall of China, as well as a Yeti-ish creature. His son Conn later married a Khitain woman. Princess Noyo of Khitai served the Primal Gods.
The Talismans of Power originated in ancient China.
Centuries ago, aliens including Fin Fang Foom crashed to Earth in China. Their technology later fell into the hands of the Mandarin.[2]
The Great Wall of China was built to keep out Grogg and other dragons.
Around 1211 AD, during a period when China was being invaded by Genghis Khan, China was visited by 20th Century time traveler Tommy Tyme. Tommy prevented Khan from obtaining the Crown of Confucius, which would have made the warlord the undisputed ruler of China.[3]
The people of Khitai worshiped such deities as Tou-Mou, Cheng-Ho, Shou-Lao, and Lei-Kung. They must also have come into contact with K'un L'un, the society of aliens with similarly named denizens.
Fu Manchu, the notorious outlaw, claims to be about 3000 years old, as he claims the pyraminds were built for him.
Skaka Kar was a prominent soldier in China's past.
Yu Huang met with other deities around 1000 CE.[4]
1000 years ago, the Chinese man Kan encountered the N'Garai.
The Four Winds were founded in the 11th century CE.[5]
300 years ago, Chinese sorcerers found the Heart of Darkness.[6]
In the 1800's Ultimo landed in China.[7]
The Yellow Claw, a Chinese mastermind who seems to have gained power through the Pool of Blood connected to Orphelus, travelled to the US as early as 1941.
Fu Manchu, the famous criminal, began his offensive against many law enforcement agencies, taking part in a kidnap attempt on the League of Nations, meeting with his group the Si-Fan in Egypt to announce the molding of a new agent with the mind of Jack the Ripper, as well as other struggles.
In the 1590's, China participated in the Seven Year War. Toyotomi Hid-yoshi, Kwang-Che Yu, Sunuk, Yi Sunsin, and Kobukuson figured in this struggle.
20th Century
World War II
During the 1930's to the 1940's, the State Shinto Imperialists of Japan attacked China. Eventually the conflict became part of World War II. The United States came to the aid of China in stopping an invasion from Japan prior to the United States entering the war.
In 1941, the Young Allies fled through China with British spy Agent Zero, clashing with Imperial Japanese forces before finding refuge in Hong Kong.[8] In 1942, American soldier the Fighting Yank was active in the region.[9] The Young Allies returned to the region in 1943 to investigate the disappearance of a Chinese fighter pilot named Wing Toy. On the Japanese controlled Shoto Island, they found a tunnel leading to Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, and destroyed it.[10] Also during this time, China was visited by the Vision who assisted an American envoy meet with Chinese General Kai Shek, clashing with Japanese forces in the process.[11] Also during this time, elderly Chinese official Mother Wong joined up with the Imperial Japanese army as a double agent working for the Allies. When her position was compromised during an engagement with American troops deployed to the area, Captain America and Bucky assisted her in maintaining her cover.[12] In 1944, Betty Dean travelled to the Chinese village of Kwangto to help with the evacuation efforts before an impending invasion by the Imperial Japanese Army. She was assisted by the Sub-Mariner.[13] In 1945, Captain America and Bucky defended the Great Wall of China from being used as an invasion by Imperial Japanese forces with the assistance of Lao-Chung, a spirit who had helped built the Wall in his mortal life.[14] In 1948, Namora dismantled a diamond smuggling operation running out of Shanghai.[15]
Post War
In 1946, China was threatened to be wiped out in a massive tsunami when Future Man and Madame Death equipped local pirates with a massive torpedo that had the power to wipe the entire continent of Asia off the map. They were stopped by the Sub-Mariner.[16] In 1947, the seas of China were looted by a group of pirates led by the White Flower who raided shipping vessels in the area. She was ultimately stopped by the Sub-Mariner and Namora.[17]
Following the war, China entered a civil war which ended with Mao Zedong's People Liberation Army taking control of the country over the American backed Kumintang National Government. This soon led to an allegiance with the Soviet Union, another communist nation in opposition with the United States. Thus China entered into the Cold War. In late 1949 early 1950, the United States secretly assisted resistance movements in the area, at one point sending Secret Service Kent Blake into the region to assist the Nationalist resistance. He sniffed out a spy in their ranks and left the resistance fighters in the care of American soldier of fortune Sam Bancroft.[18] As tensions continued to rise between the United States and China over the Korean and Cold Wars, the United States sent the 1950's Captain America and Bucky smuggled themselves into the country and recovered a list of Chinese defectors to the United Nations with the assistance of the fabled Green Dragon.[19]
Zhuang Hu fought with Chiang-Kai Shek before becoming a member of Hydra. A Chinese scientist named Doctor Sun fell victim to an experiment when denounced during the Cultural Revolution of the 1960s.
In 1968, the Winter Soldier infiltrated Beijing, China, sent on a mission to assassinate Professor Zhang Chin discreetly, killing anyone who sees him. The Winter Soldier holds Chin at gunpoint. Chin recognizes the Winter Soldier as Bucky; Bucky is surprised, as he was mindwiped by the Soviets. Then out of nowhere, Chin's shadowy bodyguard appeared to protect him.[20] Winter Soldier is subdued by the Man With No Face, a failed attempt of Chin's to create China's own supersoldier, able to blend in with the shadows but is only effective as a spy. Chin tells his bodyguard to not to kill him, as he has questions. However, the Winter Soldier is able to escape.[21]
Tibet and or the Himalayas or Himalayan Mountains have played parts in the history of the Cold People, Lizard Men, Dr. Strange, Dr. Druid, Doctor Doom, the Aged Genghis, the Ancient One, and the Undying Ones. Fu Manchu trained in Tatsienlu, Tibet. Minya Konka Mountain saw the site of the Rache Churan, the Monastery of Fear. There he learned martial arts, botany, medicine, and hypnotism. Thugben Sung runs the monastery now.
Modern Age
After his battle against Ultimo, Iron Man however was still stranded in Red China, though the Mandarin had abandoned any further interest in the Avenger. Iron Man crossed the landscape on foot to reach an air base of the Red Army that had been threatening the Mandarin before Ultimo attacked. Under-powered, Iron Man fought the remaining troops to get at a remaining MiG fighter that he hoped will fly him back to Western controlled airspace. Airborne in the stolen craft the Avenger was intercepted by US fighters, but managed to avoid being shot down thanks to his Avenger security clearance.[22]
After Thor defeated China's armed forces and the border with India the Communist Chinese leaders in Peking demand from their scientists to come up with a means to stop the Thunder God. Scientist Dr. Chen Lu steps up and offers his expertise in radiation to come up with a means of destroying Thor and crushing the United States and other democracies. Retiring to his private lab, Lu begins experimenting with bombarding himself with various doses of radiation and soon is transformed into the a radioactive power-house and rechristens himself the "Radioactive Man". He then appears before his superiors who decide to secretly transport him into America to attack the United States.[23][24]
Cobalt Man sent a message around the globe warning the danger of nuclear weapons. The message even reached Peking.[25]
Magneto traveled to Peking and other capital cities to warn the leaders not to threaten Mutants and to disarm their nuclear weapons as they were a threat to his kind.[26]
In Beijing, the Mandarin sent a message to the Chinese government declaring that he expects them to yield total and complete control over the entire country over to him. Failure to do so will incur the wrath of the Mandarin and Fin Fang Foom. [27]
... [28]
The Chinese president Yang Shagkun interrupts Dr. Su Yin's class to inform her of Tony's medical situation and that he is coming to her for treatment. Stark arrives in China accompanied by Rhodes as Iron Man and is met by his government provided guide and interpreter, Li Wang. Mandarin tells Chen Hsu that he senses Iron Man is in China, but his mentor tells him to remain calm, lest his hatred cost him his true prize: world domination. Stark and Iron Man are shown their hotel rooms where Rhodes mentions having no ill effects from wearing the armor thanks to the installed bio-rhythm generator. The two attend a dinner with Dr. Su Yin and Chinese military officials, including the President; disguised by a convincing mask, Rhodes is able to raise his visor to join in the meal. Discussing the proposal back in the hotel, Stark tells Rhodes he believes he has no choice but to agree, and tells Rhodes that he will don the armor again convinced whatever problem the Chinese face requires his greater experience with the armor. Unwillingly to let his ailing friend take that risk, Rhodes knocks Tony out and approaches the President who says the problem is the Mandarin.[29]
In Beijing Jade Dragon officially defected from China Force and became a member of a small resistance group (3Peace) who opposed China's approach to super-humans. China Force battled against the group and the Mutant Liberation Front. During the battle, Rabbit was killed by Reignfire.[33]
Beijing was one of the global cities Doctor Doom planned to upgrade in futuristic utopia's when he conquers the world.[34]
... [35]
After being defeated by Iron Man, the block where the Mandarin had been imprisoned was found empty.[36]
While James Rhodes was in Beijing, after recovering from the battle against Titania and Absorbing Man, the Immortal Weapons prepare to close the gate to the Eighth City. However, a problem arises when Iron Fist comes under possession, which is creating a mystical interference with the Immortal Weapons' ability to close the gate. As he takes down his allies, War Machine reluctantly has to fight him, and when his weapon discharges, which takes Iron Fist down, it allows the gates to be safely closed.[37]
An army of Sentinels took over the Forbidden City in Beijing.[38]
Evolutionary used his powers to attack the humans across the globe effecting people as far as Beijing.[39]
The Avengers battled Dark Phoenix / Cyclops (Scott Summers) across the globe. Angel and Spider-Man helped save civilians on a bridge in Beijing.[40]
... [41]
When Tomorrow Man (Artur Zarrko) meddled with the time-stream Beijing was one of the major cities checked to see if time had returned to normal.[42]
In Beijing, an ex-A.I.M. employee meets up with Madame Masque in order to deliver her an unidentified item in exchange for a large sum of money. However, Masque doesn't fulfill her part of the deal and shoots him in the head.
Celebrations broke out across the planet including Beijing after the Silver Surfer saved the world.[43]
Points of Interest
- See also: Category:China
- Beijing (Capital)
- Shanghai
- Gobi Desert
- Great Wall of China
- Pinghai Bay
- Tian
- Hai River
- Tsen-Tse River
- The Valley of Spirits
- Valley of the Sleeping Dragon
- Beijing Municipality
- Shanghai Municipality
- Tianjin Municipality
- Chongqing Municipality
- Hebei Province
- ShanxiShanxi Province
- Liaoning Province
- Jilin Province
- Heilongjiang Province
- Jiangsu Province
- Zhejiang Province
- Anhui Province
- Fujian Province
- Jiangxi Province
- Shandong Province
- Henan Province
- Hubei Province
- Hunan Province
- Guangdong Province
- Hainan Province
- Sichuan Province
- GuizhouGuizhou Province
- YunnanYunnan Province
- Shaanxi Province
- Gansu Province
- Qinghai Province
- Taiwan Province
- Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region
- Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region
- Ningxia Hui Autonomous Region
- Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region
- Tibet Autonomous Region
- Hong Kong Special (Administrative Region)
- Macau (Administrative Region)
- See also: Category:Chinese
- No special notes.
- No trivia.
See Also
- Appearances of China
- Minor Appearances of China
- Media China was Mentioned in
- Location Gallery: China
- Images related to China
- Marvel Staff members who were born in China
Links and References
- ↑ Incredible Hulk #105
- ↑ 2.0 2.1 Iron Man #274
- ↑ Mystic Comics Vol 2 #3
- ↑ Thor #300
- ↑ Deadpool #65
- ↑ Iron Man #312
- ↑ Iron Man Vol 3 #24
- ↑ Young Allies #1
- ↑ Captain America Comics #17
- ↑ Young Allies #7
- ↑ Marvel Mystery Comics #47
- ↑ Captain America Comics #33
- ↑ Sub-Mariner Comics #12
- ↑ All-Select Comics #8
- ↑ Namora #1
- ↑ All Winners Comics #21
- ↑ Human Torch Comics #29
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- ↑ Silver Surfer Vol 8 #4


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The classic calla lily is loved for both its beauty and its romantic meaning, making the calla lily bottle stopper the perfect wedding favor to thank your guests for being a part of your wedding ceremony. More details…
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Heavyweight chrome bottle stopper topped with a detailed, pearlescent, resin calla lily. Black-rubber gasket creates a tight seal.
Artistic gift presentation includes clear display box, light-green base with calla lily graphic, a white-satin bow and coordinating "For You" tag.
Bottle stopper measures 4 1/2" h x 1 1/2" w and Gift box measures 5" h x 2" w x 1 1/4" d.
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$2.85 each for 49-95
$2.75 each for 96+
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