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Subject: Re: [GARDINER] Stephen Gardiner---documentation
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 10:31:17 -0500
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I have been told that Stephen Gardiner (the Bishop) as a very young man
(married?) in the North of England, had children and then to become
the the man who became the Bishop Gardiner.
He certainly was very intelligent, an adept diplomat, some might even say a
I have pasted some date below that you may find helpful.
Son of Wyllyam Gardynyr and Helen/Ellen Tudor:
William GARDINER 1 was born 1 1488 in London, England. He died 1 1549 in The
Grange, Bermondsey, Surrey, England. William married Elizabeth MITCHELL of
Yorkshire (b. 1488).
William obtained a marriage license 1520.
William GARDINER,
" William Gardiner, born 1488 in London, lived awhile in Hertfordshire,
England. He married in 1520, in England, Elizabeth Mitchell. There seems to
be only a limited amount of information available on this William Gardiner,
possible brother of Steven, Bishop of Winchester. It is believed that he may
have been the Presbyter at Canterbury who Steven Gardiner stopped by to
visit on one of his trips back from France. It was also brought to the
attention of those sitting in judgment at the Excommunication Trial of
Steven Gardiner, that he had a brother by the name of William, and this
William lived for awhile in Hertfordshire. William married Elizabeth
Mitchell of Yorkshire, and died in Bermondsey, Surrey.
" It is quite probable that William had an older brother since it is an old
English custom to name the second son after his father and the eldest son
after the grandfather, which the Gardiner family has followed with
remarkable consistency down through the generations. The grandfather could
come from either side of the family, as this was not followed quite as
closely as in the use of the father's name. There was a Richard Gardiner,
born about 1486 who was quite prominent in the London area, who may have
been an older member of the family, which I have listed as a probability
since I can find no other who would more easily fit this situation. William
was listed in the service of Henry VIII as "Sargent at Arms."
A Douglas Richardson of Salt Lake City Utah wrote on Aug. 28, 2007: at the
following internet address
Richard Gardiner, born 1486 in London, England; died 1548 in London,
England. This Richard Gardiner may have been the eldest son of William
Gardiner and Helen Tudor. There is no document to prove this assumption. He
may have also been the father of Germain Gardiner (b. 1505) and also of
Richard (b. 1507) Sargeant at Arms to Henry VIII, who was reported to
have been executed for allegedly withholding testimony in the trial of Anne
Bolyn. Since I am unable to identify this person more fully, I (Douglas
Richardson) have not included him and his two sons to definitely be in the
line of descent from William Gardiner and Helen Tudor, although in the book,
STEPHEN GARDINER AND THE TUDOR REACTION, the author mentions Germain as the
nephew of Stephen. In another bit of information on Germain, he was spoken
of as a he was spoken of as a cousin of Stephen, so the exact identity of
these three individuals are not clear.
Steven Gardiner, MAY HAVE BEEN born 1490 in Holborn, London, England; died 2
Nov 1555 in Whitehall, Southwark, Surrey, England. Steven has sometimes been
named as the son of John Gardiner of Bury St. Edmunds, England but there are
several things that do not fit into place on this Stephen. First of all his
first name is spelled differently. The Letters and Papers of Henry VIII, in
the manuscript section of the British Museum use the spelling "Steven
Gardynyr" just the way Steven SIGNED HIS NAME. The man who spelled his name
Stephen was almost out of the time frame in which "Steven" was estimated by
historians to have been born. But, the greatest bit of evidence supporting
"Steven" vs. "Stephen" as the Bishop of Winchester, is James Betham's
Genealogical Table, DCX (610) in the Guildhall Library, London, which gives
Steven's parents as William Gardiner and Helen Tudor. Although the Gardiner
family name has undergone a number of changes down through the ages, as have
all other families, the name is being carried in the computer as Gardiner,
to reduce the possibility of error in the programming of an ancestral line.
As a young man, Steven Gardiner met the famous Humanist and scholar,
Desiderius Erasmus, in Paris and he studied at Trinity Hall, Cambridge. He
received the degree of doctor of civil law in 1520 and of canon law in 1521
and went on to work for Cardinal Thomas Wolsey as secretary, meeting Henry
VIII for the first time in 1525 at The More in Hertfordshire for the signing
of the Treaty of the More between the King and Francis I of France. Two
years later, in 1527, Gardiner and Sir Thomas More worked as commissioners
in arranging, with the French ambassadors, a treaty to obtain support for an
army against the Holy Roman Emperor, Charles V, in Italy.
1527, Gardiner accompanied his master, Wolsey, on a diplomatic mission to
France to gain the French King's support for the King's Great Matter or
"secret matter", his wish to divorce Catherine of Aragon. A year later,
Gardiner was sent to Italy with Edward Foxe, the provost of King's College,
Cambridge, to secure a decretal commission from the Pope which would allow
Cardinal Wolsey to rule on the validity of the King's marriage without
appeal to Rome. Although Gardiner was an expert on canon law, and so was at
a great advantage, Pope Clement VII had recently been imprisoned by Charles
V's troops and was wary of offending the Emperor who was Catherine of Aragon's
nephew and so refused to grant the decretal commission and, instead, granted
a general commission to allow Cardinal Wolsey to try the case in England
with the Papal Legate, Cardinal Campeggio..
Stephen Gardiner
. According to the book HENRY VIII THE KING AND HIS COURT, by Alison Weir,
Stephen Gardiner, Bishop of Winchester, married Henry VIII and Jane Seymour,
May 30, 1536, Whitehall Palace, and Henry VIII and Katherine Parr, July 12,
1543, Hampton Court Palace. When Henry VIII died Stephen Gardiner preached
the sermon and conducted the requiem mass at St. George's Chapel, Windsor,
February 14, 1547. He crowned Mary 1 "Bloody Mary" , July 19, 1553,
Westminster Abbey.
SOME SAY that Steven married Margaret Grey (b. 1486 in Wilton,
Herefordshire, England)
This marriage supposedly took place in 1509 at Berwick Upon Tweed,
Northumberland, England.
That is just south of the Scottish border.
Steven would have been about 16 years old. She would have been about 23
years old.
Supposedly he had a son named George Gardiner born 1510, and died 1548 in
Berwick Upon Tweed. George married Margaret Neville b. 1515 in Durham,
England, d. 1549 in Shoreditch, London at 34 years old.
He became a dedicated Catholic cleric, during the time of Henry the 8th. He
was a clever diplomate and did what he had to do though he may have been
holding his nose while he did it.
He MAY HAVE BEEN born in 1493 at Bury St. Edmunds, Lancashire, England
He died 12 Nov. 1555 at Whitehall, Middlesex, England at about 62 years old.
He is buried in Winchester Cathedral.
So William Gardiner was possibly the brother of Steven Gardiner, the Bishop
of Winchester, b.1490 in Holborn, London. (I will spell his name as Steven ,
even though most spell his name Stephen because he signed his own name as
"Steven Gardynyr" on many State papers of Henry VIII.
[There is a story going around that Stephen Gardiner's father was a John
Gardiner, a "Clothworker", from Bury St. Edmonds, Suffolk. . Others call the
father of William and Steven Gardiner - William John Gardiner a cloth
merchant from London. It is clear that Steven was a very intelligent,
politically astute and powerful individual. It is unlikely he came from
humble beginning.]
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> am also looking for the father of George Gardiner. Supposedly George
> Gardiner married Margaret Neville (though her parentage seems questionable
> as well from any official sources I can find) and he was the son of
> Stephen Gardiner and Margaret Grey. There are many, many trees on Ancestry
> showing this, and none that I've seen with an alternative.
> I think it is _highly_ unlikely (probably impossible) that Bishop Stephen
> Gardiner is the right father here. He was a Catholic bishop, and though
> religious times were tumultous, he wouldn't have been the bishop and
> marrying anyone. Of course he could have had illegitimate offspring, but
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Rock'n'roll writer Bill Flanagan interviewed Bob Dylan back in the 80's, and remarked about the song Sweetheart Like You that "anyone brought up with the Bible will hear that song one way, but the song will still work on a different level for someone else." It's a good observation and one that likely applies to Dylan's entire body of work. Dylan replied:
Oh, I think so, yeah. Because the Bible runs through all U.S. life, whether people know it or not. … Those ideas were true then and they're true now. They're scriptural, spiritual laws. I guess people can read into that what they want. But if they're familiar with those concepts, they'll probably find enough of them in my stuff. Because I always get back to that.
There's another song of Bob's that I'm thinking of today, one that has always entranced me and seemed almost impossibly and excruciatingly mysterious. That song is Dark Eyes.
It closes the Empire Burlesque album of 1985. Just Bob alone on guitar and harmonica, in stark contrast to the rest of that album, which employs some very mid-80's production values, to the extent of having a time capsule quality when listened to today. You could be forgiven for listening through it and thinking, "Were there any real songs there? Was it just some things lying around and some studio tricks?" Then comes Dark Eyes, and you realize that yes, Bob is really there after all, and in top shape at that. It kind of redeems and lifts up the rest of the album, and makes you go back and listen for the very good songs that are in there, underneath the plastic. This is no accident, either; in Chronicles, Dylan describes how the producer (Arthur Baker) and he had agreed that the album needed an acoustic number to end on. Its effect is quite intentional, it seems.
The song is the simplest of melodies, unassuming and sweet. The lyric (and the singing) is Dylan in astounding form – evocative, beguiling and right under your skin – even as you wonder what the heck he might be singing about.
Oh, the gentlemen are talking and the midnight moon is on the riverside,
They're drinking up and walking and it is time for me to slide.
I live in another world where life and death are memorized,
Where the earth is strung with lovers' pearls and all I see are dark eyes.
A cock is crowing far away and another soldier's deep in prayer,
Some mother's child has gone astray, she can't find him anywhere.
But I can hear another drum beating for the dead that rise,
Whom nature's beast fears as they come and all I see are dark eyes.
They tell me to be discreet for all intended purposes,
They tell me revenge is sweet and from where they stand, I'm sure it is.
But I feel nothing for their game where beauty goes unrecognized,
All I feel is heat and flame and all I see are dark eyes.
Oh, the French girl, she's in paradise and a drunken man is at the wheel,
Hunger pays a heavy price to the falling gods of speed and steel.
Oh, time is short and the days are sweet and passion rules the arrow that flies,
A million faces at my feet but all I see are dark eyes.
For such a relatively obscure song it seems to have some notable fans amongst fellow musicians. A recording circulates of Warren Zevon performing it live, introducing it with the the words, "This is a song that, well, this is the reason why I'm here." Patti Smith has dueted with Bob on it in concert. You can imagine artists hearing it as describing, if you like, the poetic condition: "I live in another world where life and death are memorized / Where the earth is strung with lovers' pearls and all I see are dark eyes." And who wouldn't think of Bob on stage in a stadium with the line: "a million faces at my feet but all I see are dark eyes."
Those readings would be just fine – the song lives on multiple levels, like so many of his songs do. However, keeping the Bible in mind, I'd like to meditate a little on the second verse:
A cock is crowing far away and another soldier's deep in prayer,
Some mother's child has gone astray, she can't find him anywhere.
But I can hear another drum beating for the dead that rise,
Whom nature's beast fears as they come and all I see are dark eyes.
It struck me quite recently, after listening to and loving this song for years, that aside from hearing this verse as a series of mysterious images, you can also hear it as describing a key moment from the Gospels in a relatively literal way. You just need to take your cue from the first image: "A cock is crowing far away." Thinking Biblically, the crowing of a cock brings one pre-eminent moment to mind: Jesus is under arrest, facing death, while His followers scatter, and Peter, who had sworn loyalty, denies that he even knows Him. As Jesus had foreseen, Peter denies Him three times before that cock crows.
"And another soldier's deep in prayer" -who would that be, at that same moment? Someone guarding Jesus, who has a feeling deep within his bones that this is no ordinary night, no ordinary man – that something much bigger is taking place under his watch? Maybe even the one who had his ear cut off in the struggle in the garden, only to have it healed by the man he'd come to drag away? It could be many soldiers – and of-course that's part of what this line reminds us, "another soldier's deep in prayer" – there is always a soldier somewhere deep in prayer.
Staying in the New Testament, what does the next line evoke?
"Some mother's child has gone astray, she can't find him anywhere."
It is Jesus at age 12, when his parents lose him for 3 days, and then discover that he has stayed behind in Jerusalem, talking to the teachers there in the temple.
And yet it fits the moment we're already contemplating too; Mary's child has again "gone astray," and is in chains and soon to be executed. Soon to be taken away from her again, and also for 3 days, in fact.
Yet all the while that these events are happening, there is something else going on, something that no one can see at the time, but something which (if you are a believer) is more important than anything else that has ever happened on this earth. Jesus is in a sense acting out the final moments of a plan. The plan is not without opposition from the machinations of the devil. But it is going ahead – the pieces are falling into place – the great gift of salvation that Jesus came to give to humanity is on the verge of being bestowed. If you knew, and were watching the events unfold, how dramatic indeed it would have to appear to you:
"… I can hear another drum beating for the dead that rise"
This is the subtext of the story. Jesus is on the verge of being executed, but that drum is beating, and all the dead that shall rise are waiting to hear it, and that means us too.
But don't forget the beast:
"… whom nature's beast fears as they come …"
Nature's beast. To digress slightly, there's an interview (I believe from the 60's though I can't place it this instant) where Dylan comments in his contrarian off-the-cuff fashion about nature, in response to something the interviewer has said. It's one of his quotable quotes – you can find it all over the internet. He says:
I am against nature. I don't dig nature at all. I think nature is very unnatural. I think the truly natural things are dreams, which nature can't touch with decay.
"Nature is very unnatural." Aside from being funny, this makes a certain sense if you're thinking, again, in the context of the Bible. What was truly natural was the Creation that God gave us to begin with – i.e. what he gave to Adam and Eve in the garden. However, we / they rejected it in some way – broke the rules and went against God and were cast out from that perfection. Now everything's wrong, somehow, deep down. Everything is broken. As beautiful as nature can be, as glorious an example of God's greatness as it is, it is also a source of pain, unhappiness, decay and death. If you're a believer then you believe that we are promised something else – that it will be put right.
In a sense, in fact, outside of our human sense of time, it already has been put right, by that Jewish mother's child some 2000 years ago, welcomed into the world by parents compelled to travel at the worst of times, for the sake of a government census. God humbling Himself in a barn, to save us – sneaking in without glory on a mission that would culminate over 30 years later with Jesus dying a criminal's death.
* * *
The refrain of the song of-course is: "all I see are dark eyes." It ends each verse and is a key source of the mysteriousness of it all. I'm not going to try and fit it into my interpretation of the second verse – Dylan's mystery is just fine with me. He does write about it, interestingly, in Chronicles. Not in any way to explain the song or nail it all down, but just to describe where he was and where some of the inspiration may have come from. As referred to earlier, he'd agreed with his producer that the album needed an acoustic number to finish with – he just didn't have one. He returned to his hotel in Manhattan after midnight, and:
As I stepped out of the elevator, a call girl was coming toward me in the hallway – pale yellow hair wearing a fox coat -high heeled shoes that could pierce your heart. She had blue circles around her eyes, black eyeliner, dark eyes. She looked like she'd been beaten up and was afraid that she'd get beat up again. In her hand, crimson purple wine in a glass. "I'm just dying for a drink," she said as she passed me in the hall. She had a beautifulness, but not for this kind of world.
Unlike another musician whom he greatly admires (Bing Crosby), Dylan has never recorded a Christmas album. Not yet, anyway. [UPDATE 8/26/2009: Here comes Santa Claus!] So, while it's not quite Jingle Bells, I can find a little bit of Christmas here in Dark Eyes, in a funny kind of mysterious and Dylanesque way.

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Derry City paid tribute to captain Ryan McBride yesterday, who has died at the age of 27.
McBride is understood to have died at home on Sunday. A cause of death is not yet known.
The defender will be remembered as one of the League of Ireland Premier Division side's all-time greats, the club said.
"Derry City Football Club is deeply saddened by the untimely death of our captain, Ryan McBride," the club said.
"In the hearts and minds of all of us and long into the future Ryan McBride will be remembered as one of the greats of Derry City Football Club."


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Legal Question in Credit and Debt Law in Louisiana
An online loan company claims I made a internet loan with them and claim I owe them around $1,046.00. They told me if suite was filed it would be in the amount of $8,000.00. They would give me no options to pay. Wanted $146.00 money immediately for so called good faith money or up front money w/$600.00 on the first and $300.00 on the 15 of same month. I asked for longer to pay less amounts and they rejected that..I paid the $146 because of the way they threatened me...and finally got them to break the balance into 2 payments Feb 1 and March 1. I asked to see proof of the loan and the initial amounts and was told they could only show me the papers if they filed suite. I made a $400 payment on Feb 1 and they expect the balance March 1. I truthfully dont remember the company they seem to represent CASH ADVANCE AMERICA. Never heard of them. I had a loan with 500 fast cash and paid it off in 6 payments. It was not over $300 dollars. Should I demand proof of this loan or am I just screwed. I am retired and the 2 payments I made are killing me. Hurting financially that is. Please advise - should I tell them to take a hike or what....I am scared they are not for real...but dont want to deal with the courts. I have kept all my documentation and have written down everything that conversations were about.
Thank You
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If you have legitimate reasons to believe that this debt is not your debt, you should not pay anything on it unless and until the debt is confirmed. The courts, not the creditor, decide what amount is owed for attorney's fees, etc., but I have never seen any court turn a thousand dollar debt into an eight thousand dollar debt. That just doesn't happen.
Why in the world would you pay ONE CENT to anyone you did not owe money to. You say you only made one fast cash loan of $500 and you paid that off. Then you pay another $500+ to an unknown entity and you want to know what to do. You come to a free site and tell us this cock and bull story and you expect us to buy it? You owe someone some money and you are not telling all. If you owe it and cannot pay, then don't. They cannot either eat you or put you in jail UNLESS YOUR FAILURE TO TELL US ALL THE FACTS INCLUDES A CRIME.


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Lawmakers continue to struggle to reach an agreement that would keep the government open past September 30. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid will be setting up a test vote on a House-passed bill this week that would fund the government past September 30 if lawmakers agree to defund ObamaCare.
While lawmakers all seem to agree that the government should not be permitted to shut down, Democrats and Republicans cannot agree on the "defund ObamaCare" provision. Reid and his colleagues seek to remove the provision from the bill, a maneuver that Republicans obviously do not support. Therefore, Fox News reports, "Tea Party-aligned senators like Ted Cruz have rallied around an only-in-Washington kind of approach — in order to defend the House bill which they supported, they will try to block Reid from calling it up."
The result if Republicans are successful in blocking the bill would be neither chamber voting on anything that could keep the government in business after September 30.
Of course, this is just one result of Congress not passing a real budget since 2009. Every few months, the federal government experiences this sort of melodrama when it is time to vote on these short-term spending resolutions.
Both parties are beginning to fear the consequences of a government shutdown.
Republican Senator Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania said on Monday that he believes his party may need to relax its demands. Rather than pursuing a provision that would completely defund ObamaCare, Toomey suggests that Republicans instead aim to repeal "some of the really egregious things" found within the healthcare law. "I don't think we're going to be able to completely defund ObamaCare as long as President Obama's in the White House," Toomey said.
Toomey asserts that Republicans should target items in the law such as the medical device tax, and should continue to push for a delay in the individual mandate. Toomey's latest assertions are illustrative of the divide in the Republican Party on this issue. Fox News reports:
Many GOP lawmakers want to repeal ObamaCare entirely, warning that it is driving Americans off their current health care plans and, because of quirks in the law, forcing others into part-time work. But many also say that, with Democrats controlling the Senate and White House, defunding it is simply not possible.
One such Republican is Senator Tom Coburn of Oklahoma, who said on the CBS show Face the Nation, "We don't have the ability ... to put a total stop and defund ObamaCare. It would be nice if we did. I'd be in the fight."
Coburn ultimately believes that Reid will acquire enough votes to remove the ObamaCare language from the bill and send it back to the House. Furthermore, he does not believe the government will be permitted to shut down.
But according to Fox News, there are multiple possibilities:
Cruz and his allies could successfully stall the bill in the Senate, forcing concessions or forcing a shutdown come Oct. 1.
Or, Reid could succeed in calling up the bill, stripping out the ObamaCare language and sending it back to the House. Then House Speaker John Boehner would be forced to decide whether to stick by his party's demands to defund ObamaCare, or call up the clean budget bill, relying on perhaps a majority of Democrats to pass it.
Senator Cruz also proposed another scenario. He told Fox News Sunday that the House should "hold its ground" and begin passing smaller spending bills, "one department at a time."
"Fund the military, send it over, and let's see if Harry Reid is willing to shut down the military because he wants to force ObamaCare on the American people," Cruz offered.
Cruz is encouraging his Republican colleagues in the Senate to filibuster to stop Reid from adding language to the bill that would remove the provision that defunds ObamaCare. Cruz went so far as to say that any Senate Republican who does not filibuster is actually supporting ObamaCare.
"Any vote to allow Harry Reid to add funding — a vote for cloture is a vote for ObamaCare," Cruz told Fox News' Chris Wallace. "And I think they will stand side by side and listen to the people and stop this train wreck that is ObamaCare."
Cruz's declarations have caused him to be ostracized by some members of his party. Senator Tom Coburn said that the Republican position on this issue must be based on "reality," and that reality is that the Republicans do not have the votes in the Senate that they need.
Libertarian-leaning Senator Rand Paul (R-Ky.) admitted last week that he does not believe the push to defund ObamaCare through the Continuing Resolution will succeed, but added that he celebrates the efforts and is hopeful that they will ultimately force a compromise on the worst aspects of the law.
"I'm acknowledging that we probably can't defeat or get rid of ObamaCare but by starting with our position of not funding it maybe we get to a position where we make it less bad," Paul told reporters at the Republican Leadership Conference in Mackinac Island, Michigan.
Paul also took the opportunity to emphasize the other harsh realities of the Continuing Resolution in question:
In the end the sausage factory in Washington will make sausage. Nothing good will happen though. They'll pass a continuing resolution. When they do that though, they're acknowledging that we're borrowing $30,000 a second and I think that's unconscionable.
Paul points out that the short-term spending resolutions offered by Congress, with or without the language to defund ObamaCare, remains detrimental to the economy and to the American people. He contends that the House version of the Continuing Resolution is flawed because it funds the federal government around $19 billion above the levels set by the Budget Control Act of 2011. That alone is enough to provoke a dissenting vote from him.
"I'm not planning on voting for any funding for ObamaCare, Paul told Bill Hemmer of Fox News last week. "I'm also not voting for any funding that breaks the sequester. We really have to do something about this spending problem, this debt problem. I'm not going to vote for ObamaCare. I think it's a disaster for the country."
And while the Republican Party is split on how to proceed, the Democrats have the luxury of enjoying a united front on the subject. Senator Reid has asserted that any bill that defunds ObamaCare is "dead," and President Obama has declared that efforts to pass legislation aimed at defunding the healthcare law are "not going to happen."


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Impulsiveness, sensation-seeking characterize the caffeine-dependent
People who are dependent on caffeine tend to score higher on tests of impulsiveness and sensation-seeking than nondependent adults.
The same is true of people who use more dangerous drugs than caffeine.
However, unlike other drug users, the caffeine-dependent do not score high on tests of risk-taking, according to a study published in the August issue of APA's Experimental and Clinical Psychopharmacology (Vol. 13, No. 3).
In addition to highlighting who may be vulnerable to caffeine addiction, the study shows that many adults struggle with a drug some consider to be harmless, says study author Heather Jones, a fifth-year clinical psychology student at the University of Maryland.
A full 60 percent of college students in her initial survey had tried and failed to quit caffeine, says Jones, who hopes future studies might replicate her finding in a noncollege population. Most of the students got their caffeine fix from coffee, she notes.
"Although the effects of caffeine withdrawal varied across participants, I had some people coming in for the study who were having serious, withdrawal-related migraine headaches that were stopping them from getting their work done," says Jones. "Caffeine dependence may lead to significant impairment in some people."
To identify who might be vulnerable to such problems, Jones and her co-authors randomly selected 30 caffeine-dependent and 30 nondependent students from a pool of 701 students who completed a screening survey.
The caffeine-dependent students were drawn from the top 10 percent of caffeine consumers in the sample--drinking on average 423.4 milligrams of caffeine a day, or about four cups of coffee.
Both groups completed the Eysenck Impulsiveness Scale--which asks participants to answer questions such as "Do you often do things without planning?"
The students also completed the Zuckerman Sensation Seeking Scale, noting how much they enjoy activities such as mountain climbing.
Finally, the participants took a computer-based assessment of risk-tolerance, in which they pumped a simulated balloon as full of air as possible without letting it burst.
Both groups scored similarly on the test of risk-taking, however, the caffeine-dependent group tended to score significantly higher on the sensation-seeking and impulsivity tests.
While the correlation does not show that sensation-seeking leads to increased caffeine consumption, the finding sets the stage for future research that could eventually help those developing caffeine-dependence prevention programs target vulnerable populations, says Jones.
American Psychological Association Monitor Volume 36, No. 8 September 2005


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Pretty sure this is not how you play golf.
At the 10th hole at Bay Hill today, Sergio Garcia hit his tee shot into a tree. And then had to climb the tree and hit it out. Unsurprisingly, he would double-bogey the hole.
But you're not here to read about how Garcia is doing at Bay Hill. You want to see this dude climb a tree and hit a golf ball out of it.
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Five years ago today, June 10, perhaps the most devastating fire in the history of Butte County took a turn for Paradise.
The Humboldt Fire, which consumed 23,344 acres, destroyed 87 homes, 167 outbuildings and resulted in 10 injuries to firefighters, began off Humboldt Road four miles east of Chico beneath power lines. The blaze started at 12:13 p.m. and, when it first began, was only five to six acres in size.
According to a Post Incident Accident summary of the fire, within one hour the fire had grown to 300 acres and was on its way. By the end of the following day, June 11, the fire had grown to 3,970 acres, had jumped the Skyway, and was making its way toward Butte College.
By late morning on June 12, the fire "burned in the black" and jumped Skyway again, this time below Lookout Point, and made a run toward the area below Wayland Road.
It would devastate the area. Since then, homeowners have rebuilt or are still rebuilding. Those who drive up Skyway five years later can still see the burned trees from that day. They're a constant reminder of that day. It should also be a reminder to all of us what can happen on a Red Flag day. Today, the arsonist that set that fire is still out there.
And given that this week is the fifth anniversary of the largest fire in Butte County's history, it would be wise to keep an eye out for anything suspicious you may see. Know the burning regulations before starting a burn.
And if you aren't sure, call a local fire station to ask before you do. And if you know it's not a designated burn day, don't hesitate to call the fire department if you see an illegal burn. It doesn't take much to start a devastating fire.


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Apple (AAPL) Stock May Crash If the Company Doesn't Learn From Other Tech Company Disasters
Policymic – Apple users are mostly happy and satisfied (well, those with stable, functional iDevices). Owners of Apple stock? Not so much. If each current share doesn't return to and exceed its recent high value of $702, what's the point of keeping it or buying more? Profits and growth are still promising but appear to be stagnant at the moment. Apple has had to forge ahead without the late co-founder Steve Jobs before, and growth and profitability surfaced as major investor concerns then, too.
In the mid 90s, while Jobs was off applying his brand of style and vision at NeXT and Pixar, Apple was having a problem continuing his Macintosh line of personal computers. Macintosh still commanded a price premium over the IBM PC and its clones powered by Microsoft Windows, but declining sales dogged the company. Users proudly declaring "I'm a Mac" were loyal but vastly outnumbered by the "I'm a PC" crowd, and were maybe wondering how much longer Apple could keep the dream alive. Winning lawsuits for patent infringement, which underscored a rivalry with Microsoft and would again a couple decades later against Samsung, might prove to the world that you're "right." A brutal truth remains that if you can't turn a profit, you can't grow or innovate or continue, and then these patent suit victories just ensure history will remember you as "dead right."


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Rita Ora Covers London's Notion Mag in Blazin' Red Puckers and Tatts (Photos Galore!)
The jury is still out on the quality of her music but we can say that Roc Nation newbie, Rita Ora, knows how to hold down a cover. In her latest spread for the May 2012 issue of London-based magazine, Notion, Ora elegantly showcases high-end gold jewelry while keeping everything else simple. All red lips, tatts and talons, the singer sports a casual bustier, jean cut off look and chats about her past, present and future. Rihanna comparisons or not, we're excited about what else Rita will bring.
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GOLD BEACH, Ore. -- Curry County Commissioners have rejected the state's plan to help put the county on a path to fiscal stability. From Oregon Public Broadcasting, April Baer reports the Commissioners say they can't support spending $75,000 to pay for the committee that would work out a restructuring plan.
County Chair David Itzen says Commissioners aren't denying the urgency of the situation. Round after round of layoffs have gutted basic services like public safety and the health department. He appreciates the Legislature passed bills giving the county tools to renegotiate contracts and call emergency tax votes. But the sticking point, he says, was a provision calling for the state and the county to each kick in $75,000 to support a fiscal committee that would hash out fiscal alternatives.
Itzen: "To contemplate taking that amount of money when we're short patrol officers is inconceivable."
Instead, the county passed a resolution to, as Commissioners put it, "self-declare a financial emergency." The county still hopes the state will consider giving the county some help.
State Representative Bruce Hanna co-chaired the legislative group that came up with the plan for the fiscal committee. He says if the county won't declare fiscal emergency, it's difficult to say what more the Legislature could do. A spokesman for the governor's office did not return requests for comment.
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- Many Government Agencies today are looking for ways to streamline their operations and new methods of reaching out to the users they serve. Many of them have embarked on transforming their operations from manual based to an electronic based one. Turn-key applications like Enterprise Resource Planning (ERP), Customer Relationship Management (CRM), e-commerce portals and others have made a mark on how Government Agencies operate and the services they offer. These systems also automate many operational functions within the Government Agency allowing them to run more efficiently and at lower costs.
- Desktop solutions are defined as software tools such as office suites, graphic manipulation applications, software development tools, and utility software and Internet clients. Desktop solutions are designed and created to help users to be more efficient and productive. There are various desktop solutions that are currently active in development and used widely and are now considered common.
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- Distributed Enterprise can be defined as the concept of distributing computational transaction processing capabilities between a central site and its remote locations. Through the implementation of this concept, the amount of data flows can be reduced as each site can perform its own processing. An index of the results or the results itself is sent back to a central store for access by other locations or users.
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- The concept behind high performance computing (HPC) is to merge and combine the computing resources of multiple servers clustered together to provide higher scalability and greater combined computing power. So, instead of client processing requests are to one or more individual servers, HPC clusters utilize multiple machines to provide a more powerful computing environment through a single system image.
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- Infrastructure solutions are a critical and fundamental aspect in today's ICT environment. They support a Government Agency's ICT functions in the conduct of its operations and encompass primarily basic services which are leveraged upon by other applications in the environment.
- Workload Consolidation
- Workload consolidation is defined as the discipline of simplifying and optimizing end-to-end IT infrastructures, including servers, databases, applications, networks, security and systems management capabilities with the goal of finding ways to better align the IT infrastructure to meet both current and future requirements.


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Gallardo's status for next start still up in air
ATLANTA -- Yovani Gallardo's sprained left ankle was improved on Thursday, and the right-hander will throw a bullpen on Friday to determine whether he will take the hill for his next scheduled start against the Marlins on Sunday in Miami.
"If he's still feeling it, it will be a really light bullpen [session] and we won't go with him," Brewers manager Ron Roenicke said. "If he comes in and he feels nothing, he's going to probably go through his bullpen harder and we'll see where we're at."
Gallardo played catch and pedaled on an exercise bike on Thursday after not throwing at all on Wednesday. If Gallardo misses Sunday's start, he will not go on the disabled list and could simply rejoin the rotation when he is healthy enough to pitch again.
"I just wanted to get out there today and see how it felt," Gallardo said. "Obviously, you don't expect it to completely go away in two days, but I was able to get my work in, which is the most important thing."
Even if Friday's bullpen session goes well, Gallardo's status could hinge on how his ankle responds to off-mound activities. Roenicke discussed with Gallardo how the hurler needs to be able to operate outside the controlled conditions of a bullpen session.
"He's going to get ground balls back at him, he's going to have to cover first base. He's a good hitter, so there's a good chance he may be running the bases," Roenicke said. "There's just so much that isn't controlled that it's risky."
Gallardo does not want to be in a position where he is trying to protect his ankle out on the mound. He said he could pitch if the injury is "something small that you know it's there," but that pain would prevent him from performing to his full capability.
"It's just a matter of just being able to keep everything the same and not trying to overcompensate," Gallardo said. "If something's bothering you, of course, that's when there'd be more stress on your arm, elbow or shoulder trying to protect the ankle, you put more stress on other parts."
Roenicke has a plan in place should Gallardo not start on Sunday but opted not to announce anything on Thursday. He previously mentioned righty Tyler Thornburg as a possibility, but noted that he was not keen on pulling Thornburg out of the stable of bullpen arms for the four days following a hypothetical start.
Thornburg had the chance to stretch out when he pitched 3 2/3 innings of relief following Gallardo's injury on Tuesday. A solo home run by Justin Upton was the lone damage done against Thornburg, who threw a season-high 49 pitches.
Thornburg is 2-1 with a 2.37 ERA in 10 career starts, recording a quality start in each of his seven starts for Milwaukee last season. He proved especially effective in the rotation last September, compiling a 2.16 ERA in four late-season starts.
Joe Morgan is an associate reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.


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Discussion in 'General Firearms Forum' started by ticshooter, Feb 7, 2013.
Umm in short, hell friggen no.
Well said.
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Not even close. JMB accomplished what he did without the help of any computer. Same with Bill Ruger. They were genius minds. Gaston was at the right place at the right time with a design that made it much less costly for LE to keep&maintain weapons. From a marketing standpoint I think Gaston Glock has them both beat by a long shot though.
That's right! JMB is a prophet blessed by the Lord!
I disagree with everyone here. John Browning NEVER was never talented enough to design a pistol that shot a projectile down the barrel while at the same time geometrically eject a casing that will strike you right between the eyes. Gaston has that market cornered.
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Trick question... right?
Who all was on Glocks team of designers again? Who all helped JMB in his shop?
I must concur with the naysayers here in regards to your OP query. A very simple... No.
That about covers it, but.....
Forget about the 1911. Look at the other Browning designs to see why Browning was a master.
Perspective is needed.
Somebody mentioned Bill Ruger. Well, despite the fact that his 10/22 design is undoubtedly the most popular .22 in the world, he didn't "invent" much to it. The magazine is from the Mannlicher/Savage 99 he just made it detachable. Now if that was the only gun that had his name on it, would someone compare him to JMB?
And don't forget Bill Ruger's contributions to the field of victim disarmament. Still think he was scum for selling out gun owners and endorsing infringements on our rights.
I'm going to be blunt...
Quite frankly, I'm astonished somebody could be ignorant enough to even ponder the question. Its just ridiculous.
There, I said it.
I am truly sorry you caught your wife sleeping with a Ruger factory rep.
Bill died over a decade ago and Ruger sells like 5 types of ARs now.
It's probably okay to let the dead be dead now.
They aren't even close. Browning was a genius.
I know this won't be the popular thing to express but.......
Both made fine firearms that are used by military, LE & Civilians around the World.
One uses a lot of small levers, springs and detent balls. The other uses 33 parts.
One you disassemble with a bottle opener, the other a 3/16" punch.
Browning to me is kind of like a nice pocket watch really shiny & pretty gets the job done with a lot of cool gears and Timing.
Glock more like a sun dial still gets the job done, not complex and can double as a door stop for years and still tell time.
Just my opinion.
You guys are really funny...
I know its breaking news to some, but JMB designed more than just the 1911 - a LOT more, in fact.
GG designed one gun. ONE
Even that one gun used featured engineered by JMB.
This thread should have been started on April 1st.
Not exactly the words I was thinking Brian but I don't want to get in trouble. Gaston Glock couldn't carry JMB's jock strap in any area of anything.
Not even close
No how no way!
With all due respect of Hr. Glock.....
Never in a million years.


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Jan Powers, a clinical nurse manager in the pediatric oncology unit at the Georgetown Lombardi Comprehensive Cancer Center, remembers how hard it was for her team after the death of a child. They met with an art therapist, who brought clay. "There was a lot of pounding and kneading, and while we made our pots and whatever, people started to talk," she said of the session last summer. "When your hands are occupied and you're not in the spotlight, it's easier to say things like 'I feel really bad' or 'This child touched my heart and I'm grieving.' It gives staff a chance to create out of something that is hurtful and painful."


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Minnesota bankruptcies Dec. 31
Chapter 7 is a petition to liquidate assets and discharge debts.
Chapter 11 is a petition for protection from creditors and to reorganize.
Chapter 12 is a petition for family farmers to reorganize.
Chapter 13 is a petition for wage earners to readjust debts.
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Bankruptcy filings from the following counties: Becker, Clay, Douglas, Grant, Hubbard, Mahnomen, Norman, Otter Tail, Polk, Traverse, Wadena and Wilkin.
Jolene R. Stumpf, Alexandria, Chapter 7, debts of $302,682, assets of $299,288.
Billy Jo Barthel, Bluffton, painter, Chapter 7, debts of $10,430, assets of $1,200.
Lynn Soliah, Fergus Falls, laborer, Chapter 7, debts of $63,348, assets of $53,327.
LeRoy Joseph Poetz, Alexandria, Chapter 7, debts of $169,958, assets of $255,668
Justin Hertel, 1002 2nd Ave. N., Moorhead, electrician, Chapter 7, debts of $119,470, assets of $116,219.
Patricia and Isidro Lopez, 440 Brook Ave, Moorhead, Chapter 7, debts of $188,878, assets of $154,756. Lopez is a paraprofessional. Mrs. Lopez is a teacher.
Curtis and Lisa Thom, Detroit Lakes, Chapter 7, occupation, debts and assets not listed.
Daniel V. Grant, Erhard, well driller, Chapter 7, debts of $195,153, assets of $130,448.
Timothy Wade Brown, Perham, Chapter 7, debts of $104,078, assets of $103,086.
Jimmy Lee and Stephanie Renae France, East Grand Forks, Chapter 7, debts of $208,382, assets of $131,504. France is a deputy sheriff.


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Ben Footh opened Footh Auto Sales in 2010 after spending many years climbing the ranks in the Automotive Industry. Born and raised on the West Side of St. Paul Ben is proud to call himself a West Sider however also shares the honor of being a South St Paul Packer after attending South St Paul High School.
Ben attended Saint Mary's University and later Metropolitan State University for Criminal Justice and Law Enforcement. While working toward this Degree Ben Managed a local Dealership from 2004 to 2009 also proudly Served the City of South St Paul as a Reserve Police Officer. Although Ben loves selling cars and helping people with their automotive needs, he often expresses his love for the PD and life long dream of being a Police Officer.
When asked to sum up who he is in a few simple words, Bens response is always the same; Faith, Family, and Country.
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Pat has over 15 years of selling experience and knows pretty much everyone in the Twin Cities area. He is a proud father who enjoys spending time with his son and working out during his free time.
Nick Footh is the owners nephew and helps out with vehicles Sales as well miscellaneous duties around the Dealership. He is currently attending Mankato State University for Law Enforcement; however loves helping out the family business in the Summer!
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WHAT LIPO - Independent Lipo Tests
COMPARISON OF 4 x 20C and 4 x 30C RATED 3S 2200 LIPO PACKS
There have been several long threads about the relative merits of various lipos and most of the contributions are based on modellers experiences. Inevitably much of the contribution to such threads must be subjective, however well intended. It was suggested some time ago that I should run objective tests on lipo packs from several different makers and compare the results.
I am an active modeller, but completely independent and receive no payment from anyone.
The 3S 2200 pack format was chosen as the most popular type and eight different packs have been tested in two groups of four. One group is for 20C rated packs and the other for 30C rated packs.
To avoid attacks from various quarters I am not putting my opinions in the report, just specifying how the tests were carried out and publishing results that were obtained. The reader should, from the notes below, decide on what he considers the most important criteria on choosing a pack and compare the results obtained in the tables from the various packs.
Trying to choose a pack just by asking other modellers or seeing a model fly is impossible because there are too many variables such as model weight, motor, prop, ESC programming, temperature etc. Add our individual prejudices and brand loyalty and, as Basil said in Fawlty Towers, You might as well ask the cat. In these tests the packs are all discharged at maximum rated current down to 3.00V/cell under identical conditions.
This full rated constant current discharge that the packs are subjected to is more severe than they are likely to see in practice, but it is a consistent, flat-field measurement of the packs ability to deliver their claimed performance. They are only subjected to the max rated load conditions specified by the manufacturer, starting from a fixed ambient temperature of 25 deg.centigrade.
The pack voltage and temperature is measured at 15secs, at the 50% nominal discharge point and at the end of discharge. The pack ESR (Effective Series Resistance) is measured at 25deg. and the total Ah and Watt.hrs delivered by the pack are both recorded.
(1) PACK VOLTAGE The higher this is at any point, the better, as it means the motor will deliver more power. If the ESR is high then the initial voltage on load (say at 15Secs) will be lower, and this will continue throughout the discharge, but at a reducing level as the internal heat dissipated in the pack will reduce the ESR and the voltage drop due to it.
(2) TEMPERATURE High temperature is the killer of a pack, but it is very difficult to quantify Life v Temperature in an equation. It is not linear and a small increase in temperature is likely to shorten life considerably, particularly near the higher limits.
Electrolytic capacitors, which are electrochemical devices not unlike rechargeable cells, show a halving of their projected life for every 10deg.cent. rise in temperature.
If you are looking for a long life pack, then look for low temperatures.
The surface temperature rise over the discharge is quoted at the end of the results. I have made a nominal 55deg. rise the maximum I consider acceptable, equating to a max. surface temperature of 80deg. starting from an initial figure of 25deg. Even this figure is only a guess and may be much too generous, as the internal cell temperature will be higher, but cannot be easily measured. There are other factors affecting pack life, such as QC and electrochemistry of the pack but I have no way to quantify them.
(3) ESR - The voltage drop of a pack and the heat generated in the pack due to load current is a direct function of ESR and we should be looking for the lowest value. It is very temperature dependant and the very different figures shown at 25deg. tend to converge at higher temperatures.
(4) Ah The Amp.hrs delivered by a pack is compared with its rated capacity and quoted as a percentage. The manufacturers figure will be at 1C so at full rated current anything over 90% is acceptable.
(5) Wh Watt.hours is a true measure of stored energy delivered by the pack. A lower voltage under load will reduce this figure. Note that the packs with lower voltages deliver lower W.h figures.
I carry out the testing with an open mind and operate on a flat playing field, but I only test one sample of each pack and therefore cannot account for production spread. There must inevitably be some tolerance in all the parameters of each pack but the poorer performing will always say that their sample must have come from a bad batch; it is a standard excuse I have heard several times.
The above testing only demonstrates the ability of the packs to deliver their stored energy. It would be nice to compare pack life which many users are interested in, but that would involve running 100 or more cycle tests on each pack. I have access to the necessary equipment but not the inclination to carry out such testing due to the time and effort involved in such an exercise. As a short cut to the likely life of a pack I would suggest that temperature rise is the best indicator to look at.
I should make it clear that the above only tests the performance of the packs, there may be quality aspects of which I have no knowledge which may affect the life of the packs apart from the damaging aspect of excess temperature rise. If there is not then the old adage You get what you pay for definitely does not apply to lipo packs.
Having said all the above and despite their safety problems, lipos really are a fantastically efficient energy storage device, having tremendous power delivery/weight ratios and have transformed electric flight over the past year or so. Electric helicopters and 3D flying were unthinkable a few years back, whereas now they are commonplace.
Wayne Giles
PS Sorry for second post - intended to class as DATA first time
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Have done several other tests, but the problem is cost of the packs as I am not inclined to buy new packs I don't need just to post a test, when, as you accurately say, the results are often ignored/overlooked. Most manufacturers will not supply packs as they don't want to see independent results published - you can see why from the above results!!!
Bob Smith, who wrote much in the UK, was invited by a major UK magazine to write two articles on Lipo life and he did all the work and submitted the results, but the articles were suppressed by commercial interests. You can still however find these results at http://www.geocities.com/gbobs7/INDEX.HTM Look at "ART1" and "ART2". I wondered about repeating and updating the excercise but it is a lot of work, as I only do it as a hobby.
If you dig around sensibly you can find out the truth; the extra money for expensive packs is generally spent on adverts and publicity, so it does not improve the pack!
An agent in the UK sells the best performing pack in my 20C tests and says they are "suitable for light to medium use". He also sells Hyperion and Thunderpopwer at double the price. I sent him test results but he just did not want to know. Perhaps the facts are not convenient for him!
Interesting tests... You will always have some variation in packs, but you can hardly test 10 each (Kokam 2100 and Graupner 2100 are identical cells in Bob's test, results - abit over 3 and almost 5% loss over 100 cycles. Still confirms that Kokam cells last many cycles....) Hopefully there's more to come...
Thank you for doing the testing and making the results available.
It makes interesting reading.
My contribution ? I use LoongMax lipos and am satisfied with them. Over 30 cycles on some of them and interested to see how long they last. Still going well at the moment.
I have downloaded the articles that were mentioned in one of the replies and now have some reading to do.
It hasn't got more attention because those that are using the cheap packs already knew this. As for the TP or FP fanboy's or should I say sponsored by the over priced lipo's are staying away because they don't want it to be on the front page
I thought so!
Wayne, thank you very much for your time and effort! After a year of using all of the Hobby King lipo brands I suspected as much. I had been getting ripped off for the previous 3 years on the high priced "name brands". Most value conscious lipo users have discovered the quality and savings involved at HK. I wonder what the so called "experts" in this battery section are going to say! Should get interesting!
Where's Charles??????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????
The potential disadvantage of cheap lipos is Quality Control problems, but in discharge performance terms some of the very best are the cheapest.
I have heard of a case of a reversed power connector which can be exciting and that was on a Chinese pack, but that is not to say it does not happen on expensive packs. Obviously I have no way of quantifying this.
One noticeable improvement over the last year has been the closing of the gap between claimed and actual "C" ratings. Two or three years ago it was laughable, packs claiming 20C would not safely deliver 8 - 10C. Now most will at least survive a full rated discharge although the final temperatures are dangerously high and damaging the pack and some are starting to puff.
There are still some exceptions; I recently had to abandon a 20C run on a "30C" rated pack because it was smoking! I believe this was mainly due to completely inadequate terminations at the connections to the cells.
Whoever started this wild overclaiming of C ratings has caused many modellers a lot of expensive problems.
If supporters of the poorly perfoming types respond, they will probably try to discredit the results. The usual one is:-
"If you subject the same pack to 5 tests, you will get 5 different results!"
Answer is, "No you won't!" - In a recent comparison test (not the above), two differenet make packs were so close in performance that I suspected that they were the same cells, despite the supplier's denial. So I stripped the packs down and sure enough they were the same cells, interconnected with the same coded PCB. This proves how repeatable the testing is and also suggests that there is not a wide manufacturing tolerance.
Sorry I'm late but not convinced that the Graupner 2100 and Kokam2100 packs that Bob tested are the same cells. There is a significant difference in weight, which could be packaging, but the "C" ratings are different as well.
There is definitely a lot of "badge engineering" goes on in lipos (see my last post) but the differing results may be because they are different cells.
Because of the fact that some "makers" will use more than one manufacturers' cell, it is dangerous to assume that if an XYZ 3S2200 20C pack is good, that an XYZ 5S3700 25C will be equally good.
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Can you imagine a world without coffee?
For most coffee lovers, the thought can bring a tear to the eyes. The idea that we can grab our favorite drink anytime of the day, either self-brewed, offered by a loved one on a lazy morning, or snatched out of a barista's trembling hands makes life bearable. But the origins of our brewed decadence may surprise you.
The Birth of the Percolator
The original coffee percolator was invented by a British scientist and soldier in the late 1700's. But his system failed to brew the coffee in a continuous cycle.
The first patent for a percolating coffee system was issued in 1865, but it perked downward, still leaving grinds in the water.
It wasn't until 1889 that an Illinois man patented the known device in North America that would finally help make a cup of coffee that would be free of sediment. Hanson Goodrich was a Midwestern farmer and photographer with a dream.
His device worked creating a strong and bitter version of our typical modernized fare.
Comparing Brewing Methods
Fresh coffee awakens the senses unlike anything else. Drip perking is the most common type of brewing form, as almost everyone has access to an electric coffee maker either at home or work. But some people are loyal to French press, while others still swear that true percolated coffee is the best option.
While all three brewing techniques offer benefits of their own, French press still often leaves sediment inside the carafe. Electric drip models offer fast and often automated service. However, machines can be pricey, the strength can't easily be adjusted per individual and quite often it the liquid just isn't hot enough.
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Percolating takes care of those issues. Because of the continual soaking of the beans, you can end up with a strong and bitter end result if you're not familiar with the device. But you can also learn to adjust the strength to your tastes.
Electric or stove top percolating time is significant if you're in a hurry, which is why this form of brewing is a leisurely task. And because of the extended time, you get the full taste of the coffee, as opposed to the weaker taste supplied by drip machines.
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University of Texas Arlington
UTA In The News — Wednesday, November 23, 2011
The real deal on "Black Friday"
Traci Freling, a UT Arlington assistant professor of marketing, spoke with KTVT/CBS 11 about "Black Friday" and retail marketing gimmicks that lure shoppers in when they might get as good — or better — a deal online. Freling teaches a class on Black Friday and said she personally avoids shopping on that day.
Psychology professor honored
Robert Gatchel, chair of the UT Arlington psychology department, has received Texas Psychological Association's 2011 Distinguished Lifetime Achievement Award, that group's most prestigious honor, the Dallas Business Journal's Executive People On the Move reported. The award is given to a psychologist "who has a long and distinguished record of exemplary professional service" and is recognized by his colleagues in and outside the field of psychology.
Roving Museum of Photography
Showcasing a number of photographic images, The University of Texas at Arlington's "Roving Museum of Photography" made use of a 24-foot U-Haul truck as display space on Dragon Street in Dallas, D Magazine's Front Row blog reported. This is a semi-annual outing for UT Arlington students and has become an expected method of exhibiting art on the Dallas gallery scene. Striving for exposure and welcoming camaraderie, these non-traditional venues act as a counterpoint to the often sterile, stereotypical gallery experience.
Honorable achievement
U.S. District Judge Leonard Davis becomes the Chief Judge of the United States District Court, Eastern District of Texas in January, the Tyler Morning Telegraph reported. Judge Davis is a UT Arlington alum.
Great Woman of Texas
Hollace Ava Weiner, a UT Arlington alumna who has published numerous books, was named a Great Woman of Texas by the Fort Worth Business Press. She was one of 17 outstanding North Texas women honored Nov. 9 at the Fort Worth Club. Deborreh McCormick Wallace, customer relations manager at UT Arlington's TMAC (formerly the Texas Manufacturing Assistance Center) in Fort Worth, also was among this year's winners.
Urban drilling
The chair of the Dallas gas drilling task force mentioned UT Arlington in a Q&A with the Dallas Observer's Unfair Dallas blog. Lois Finkelman said: "There are certainly examples of cities that have had urban drilling for decades, like Los Angeles, places like UT Arlington that have it on campus and it seems to work."


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Photographer's Note
Xiapu (霞浦)is located at the North East of Fujian province. It has a long coastal line of 404km, with a large portion of sea shore protected by mountains and rocks, making it perfect for fishers to establish since the past thousand years.
There are a lot of scenic spots in Xiapu.
The hills serve as a good spot for photographer to compose many of the stunning picture of Xiapu. Together with the scenery, colourful low lying sand, history, culture, fisher farm and fisherman working scene.
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Guenther (10915) 2012-05-08 6:53
Hi Tony,
what a wonderful composition! The graphical effect and the light are gorgeous and the presence of the single person is quite appealing...
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I have seen your previous photos of the same area with the same person in it. Each one of them are splendid photos. A delicate light, beautiful shimmer and the feeling of infinity exists in all of them. Congrats.


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VA faces 'huge crisis of confidence'
"Your symposium on advancing the care and treatment of veterans with TBI and PTSD, your veterans crisis command centers in areas with the longest waits for appointments – and I pay a lot of attention to what you're seeing and hearing – and your support for re-authorizing our child-care pilots are just a few examples of that (important) work. So thank you."
The above quote is from the beginning of Carolyn Clancy's Aug. 23 remarks to The American Legion's Veterans Affairs & Rehabilitation Commission at the organization's 96th annual national convention in Charlotte, N.C. Since July 2, Clancy has been the Department of Veterans Affairs interim under secretary for health; she replaced Robert Petzel, who resigned from office last spring after the Legion called for his removal.
"Your strong support for veterans and for VA, as we improve and restore trust in our health-care system, is deeply appreciated," Clancy told a large audience of Legionnaires. "To say we have a crisis on our hands would be a pretty big understatement." VA's challenge to provide timely health-care access to veterans has been made more difficult by "inappropriate appointment-scheduling practices at many of our facilities," she said. "So we're facing a huge crisis of confidence and we have lost the trust of the veterans who depend on us for care."
It may seem to some, Clancy said, that VA has lost its way but the department has the imperative and opportunity to turn its greatest crisis in a generation into the greatest opportunity for improvement in its history.
VA has taken – and will continue to take – numerous actions to address its systemic access challenges, Clancy said. VA has reached out to more than 240,000 veterans to get them off wait lists and into clinics. Since last May, when former VA Secretary Eric Shinseki resigned from office, the number of veterans on electronic wait-lists has decreased by more than 28,000 veterans.
Clancy said the new VA reform law "created some phenomenal opportunities" for VA, "and we're very grateful for the additional funding provided by Congress" About $15 billion in new funding will be provided over the next three years: $10 billion to pay for non-VA medical care and $5 billion to hire more VA medical staff. The law also allows VA to lease 27 additional facilities for health care in 18 states and Puerto Rico.
By 2017, because of the reform law's provisions, Clancy said VA plans to be in a position where it can provide all of its enrolled veterans timely access to high-quality care.
"The mission we have is absolutely unbeatable and sacred to us," Clancy said. "We know that we're going to always have some need for non-VA care, but it is not a replacement for a fully integrated health-care system for veterans. The private-sector medical care guaranteed by $10 billion "is kind of a relief valve, while we build our capacity to meet current demand and provide most care within the VA system."
VA, Clancy said, "missed the signals that our access challenges were systemic and not just in a couple of places; they weren't isolated. So we know that we can't -- and I'm here to tell you that we won't – get complacent and allow that to happen again." She said that VA Secretary Robert McDonald has directed department facilities to host town hall meetings with local veterans before the end of September, so that their concerns can be heard and addressed.
"We know that we have to earn back veterans' trust, one veteran at a time," Clancy said. "We can't do that unless we're open and transparent about the scope of our challenges and our progress. That's why we're posting data (online) every two weeks."


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FARGO -- Radio Fargo Moorhead is getting the first shot at the radio rights for North Dakota State athletics. The school said Thursday it will enter into negotiations with RFM for the three-year contract.
RFM got the nod over Great Plains Integrated Marketing, which operates 1100-AM, and Forum Communications, which has held the rights for 43 of the past 46 years on its WDAY-AM station. RFM would put the Bison primarily on its 740-AM The Fan station.
"They have a lot to offer that we want to explore," said Jeremy Jorgenson, NDSU's director of broadcasting. "They have a lot of high-rated stations with great coverages. We want to take a look."
RFM's stations include KFGO-AM, which has the University of North Dakota football and hockey rights as well as professional teams the Minnesota Vikings and Minnesota Twins. Jorgenson said the UND contract will be part of the talks with NDSU.
"That's what we have to sort through and work out," said Joel Heitkamp, operations manager for KFGO and The Fan. "We've made a commitment to UND and we feel we can make a commitment to NDSU."
He said no timetable has been set to finalize the contract. The school entered into negotiations with KFGO the last time the bid was up for grabs three years ago, but talks fell through and the bid eventually went to Forum Communications.
All three companies submitted bids in December. Great Plains Marketing proposed the cheapest air time charges, but Jorgenson said that is just one piece of the puzzle.
"There are so many different and other factors that we're looking at," Jorgenson said. "There is coverage and ratings and sponsorship packages. It's not just money."
It's also unclear who the broadcast talent would be. Scott Miller has been the voice of the Bison for several years, teaming with Phil Hansen in the booth for football games. Dan Hammer is the sports director at The Fan.
"I love the job Dan Hammer does and I love the job Scott Miller does," Heitkamp said. "And I consider Phil Hansen a friend. For me, that's all up to NDSU. NDSU has to make that decision based upon that."
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I'm sure there are a lot. Ideally it would be a place sea-side. An internet connection.
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Argenteana And Venisualia if you have a way to get U.S. dollars in with out going threw a bank. They will pay 75%over posted rate for them to horde. So quit a bargan if you have U.S. cash on hand there.
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BAKERSFIELD,SACRAMENTO I need help i want to move to California and i want to live in a affordable and nice city thats big and has a lot to offer as far as fun,or at least some where thats close in driving distance that i can go to,but you can also tell me about Bakersfield,Sacramento and a few other place snear central or southern California,but what ever you guys feel is a nice places please explain your reason i would appreciate it a lot thanks.
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cheapest would have to be in the desert areas E of San Bernardino.
best place is a value judgment; do you prefer the ocean,
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Grenada fellowship for Guardian columnist
T&T writer Lisa Allen-Agostini took up the inaugural Dame Hilda Bynoe Writer-in-Residence position at St George's University (SGU), Grenada, in January. The residency is an initiative of SGU and the organisation CaribLit.
Applications for the residency were invited from emerging or established writers of Caribbean birth or citizenship, and were vetted by a team of Caribbean literary experts.
A release said the residency is 15 weeks long, of which six weeks will be devoted to readings, workshops and other engagements with the students, staff and faculty of SGU and the wider Grenada community.
The author of the children's novel The Chalice Project (Macmillan Caribbean), and co-editor of Trinidad Noir (Akashic Books), Allen-Agostini is also a T&T Guardian columnist, editor of the Sunday Arts Section in the Sunday Guardian, and a freelance writer. She was shortlisted for the 2013 Hollick Arvon Caribbean Writers Prize.
Prof Antonia MacDonald, a lecturer in the Department of Humanities and Social Sciences, School of Arts and Sciences (SGU), will steer the residency.