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What it may boil down to for junior college scoring champion Josh Gray will be the pursuit of a goal over a life-long objective.
Four months after signing with LSU where he's expected to bring an infusion to the team' offense for the 2014-15 season Gray - who spent the past season at Odessa (Texas) Junior College - may be faced with an even greater decision.
With Gray soaring to unexpected heights as the nation's leader in scoring among junior college players - averaging 34.7 points - the path of the 6-foot-1 native of Lake Charles to Baton Rouge could be altered.
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Gray, a first team Junior College All-American, said he's entertaining the thought of leaping straight from the junior college ranks to the professional level, but only if deems the opportunity worthy.
"I love LSU and everybody that knows me knows that," Gray said. "I canceled a visit to Louisville to sign with LSU and I turned down a lot of schools to go to LSU. That was my dream school.
"The NBA is my goal and that's where I want to end up," Gray said. "That's what I've given up years of my life for. If the opportunity is there, and it's a good opportunity, how can you tell me not go if I'm going to get drafted. That's something we'll go over with as a family. If it's too great then we'll take it. If it's not I'm going to come to school."
Searches of several NBA mock drafts don't have Gray's name attached as of yet but he remains steadfast in taking a methodical approach before ruling anything out.
"It's an option I've been talking with my family about and will continue to talk over and see who's coming out, who's going back to school," Gray said. "We have to do our research before I put something out. It's an opportunity if I wanted to I could."
Gray was the final piece to LSU coach Johnny Jones' recruiting puzzle, closing out a well-rounded class of four signees to go along with transfer Keith Hornsby.
LSU added 7-foot center Elbert Robinson, 6-9 forward Aaron Epps and 6-foot guard Jalyn Patterson to go along with Gray, who previously signed at Mississippi State and Texas Tech along his basketball odyssey.
"I see a lot of potential next year," Gray said. "However Coach uses me next year, it doesn't matter. If he wants me to distribute the ball all game or score, I can do either. What I bring to the table's going to turn the team to a whole different level. I just want to be a leader and I know I can make those guys better. Everyone will see next year."
The complete make-up of next year's LSU team is hard to disclose.
With the conclusion of the season in an 80-67 second round loss Monday in the NIT, the Tigers must now await impending decisions whether junior Johnny O'Bryant III and freshman Jordan Mickey will return or opt for the NBA draft.
Fellow freshman Jarell Martin said before the team departed for its NIT opener against San Francisco he planned to be back for his sophomore season.
LSU expects to have senior Anthony Hickey and sophomore Tim Quarterman in its backcourt and be bolstered by the arrival of Gray, who can play either the point or shooting guard, and Patterson.
"He's one of the more talented players I've ever coached," Odessa coach Tra Arnold said of Gray. "He has a lot of talent and works very hard. I still think his best basketball's ahead of him as he goes forward. He'll continue to understand the game a little better."
Not even Arnold expected the gaudy numbers Gray was able to put up for a team that finished 22-7 but wasn't able to qualify for the national junior college tournament.
"We didn't expect him to be that prolific of a scorer but I think he managed expectations," Arnold said. "We thought he would be a good player for us and he was. I felt he did a good job at times getting others involved and I think he'll grow as he learns the game a little better."
Gray started in all 29 of his team's games and poured in an astounding 1,006 points, earning first team honors in the Western Junior College Athletic Association.
Gray was extremely efficient from the field, making 46 percent of his shots (361 of 786), dipped a bit from 3-point range (30.3 percent), made 71 percent from the free throw line, averaged nearly six assists, 3.6 rebounds and 2.8 assists - leading his team in assists and steals.
"I knew there were a lot of expectations on me coming in because people wanted to see what type of player I was because they heard a lot about me," Gray said. "I had to put up numbers like that with those expectations. I left Texas Tech because of a decision my family made. It wasn't due to my talent level. I had to put up numbers like that and I'm blessed."
Gray started to display his uncanny knack for scoring in the first month of Odessa's season with a career-high 63 points in a game against El Centro College.
"I couldn't miss that game," Gray said. "Everything was dropping and I had a great game. I started off attacking the rim. I worked hard, trained my body for that and performed well. It's not shocking when you perform well like that but it may be shocking to others who had never seen anything like that. That's what I'm used to."
Gray went on to score 30 or more points 15 times with another 60-point explosion against Ranger Junior College followed by a memorable triple-double - 59 points, 11 rebounds, 14 assists - in a 148-81 win over University of Southwest on Nov. 19.
Gray had five 40-point games and seven 30-point scoring outings, helping him to solidify his status as the nation's top junior college scorer.
"It's an honor to accomplish that goal, but I'm still a true point guard that can run a team and get my teammates the ball and make them better," Gray said. "I will show that at LSU."
With his team eliminated from national tournament contention Gray finally made his official visit to LSU for the team's final home game against Georgia earlier this month.
While the outcome - a 69-61 defeat - wasn't to his liking Gray raved about the visit and how he looked forward to playing at LSU with his new teammates.
"It was unbelievable," Gray said. "Every time I come to LSU I love it. I love the coaching staff and players. It felt so regular because I've been around the campus before. Next year is going to be crazy. I'm so excited because the potential's sky high."


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richard goes into some detail about the upcoming "absolute domination" of intel with its (what he calls) "new-generation" micro-architecture; he's referring to intel's "next-generation" micro-architecture, recently named the "intel core microarchitecture," or icm. he basically says that intel has no idea what amd will be bringing to the table when those ngma products are actually released 6+ months from now, and to make the kinds of claims intel has been making is (paraphrased) flatly silly.
richard explains that if you look at what ngma is, it is almost a mirror of k8 (amd64-based architecture) without the obvious on-die memory controller or multiple hypertransport links. he says that an intel designer recently said that at some point intel will have to move to an on-die memory controller, mirroring the k8 design even more so than today.
richard also explains that no microprocessor today has outright superiority. if you look at performance in this app or that app you'll see a winner; but if you turn more toward floating-point, the result might change. if you turn more toward memory bandwidth, it might change again. if you turn more toward performance-per-watt, it might change yet again, and so on. and richard believes that for any company to claim across-the-board dominance is merely a marketing tactic, not one based on reality.
parts 2-5 will appear on tuesday through friday this week. read more in part one of the interview at digitimes. [update 3/13/2006 3 p.m. est: i fixed the link … sorry! –chiefeditor]
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|and… (11:49am est mon mar 13 2006)
you expect "amd's executive vice president and chief officer for marketing and sales" to say anything different?
paraphrasing he essentially says. "intel copied us. they admit it, just look! their 40% lead is nothing, just wait, we got something special coming up." it's almost like saying "our new sooper sekret design will crush all opposition."
why should i believe him? intel were promising that their new architecture would deliver 40% more performance than amd and at a 40% cut in power consumption compared to their own current generation. everyone doubted, they delivered. what do you think amd are going to say? of course they will rubbish icm and allude to some super sekret mega chip, one chip to rule them all!
lol, what a farce the cpu market has become. instead of cock fights amoung the marketing types, let's have some good old fashioned war by benchmark.
|hm… (12:12pm est mon mar 13 2006)
um… yep – by progamefreak
|future (12:39pm est mon mar 13 2006)
i'm not sure who will will the next round in the chip wars. the reviews on conroe were impressive, but have to be taken with a grain of salt. both test systems were set up by intel with all benchmarking software pre-installed and pre-configured. intel would have to be pretty un-savy to set up a test like this that didn't give themselves at least a little advantage. the question becomes how far did they push their advantage? i don't know, and neither does anyone else outside the people at intel. we all just have to wait to find out.
henri richard says that intel is just involved in a game of marketing hype. i'm sure all of you geeks would have to agree. he went on to say that some of the rumors @ theinquierer.net, about future chip releases are true. he didn't specify which rumors, so we'll just have to wait and see what's true and what's hype. he also went on to say that amd has no need to redesign its architecture to compete with conroe because amd's architecture is scalable to meet any competition intel may put forth in the near future. again, we'll just have to wait and see.
the bottom line is that amd has the best chips on the market now. intel's big marketing push for future chips is just the tiniest bit of proof. in a few months, we'll all be in a better position to decide who the king of the hill is. – by who is john galt
|performance gains (12:54pm est mon mar 13 2006)
intel said 40%
they delivered 20%
get your fact straight before you go spouting off at the mouth you dumbf*cks. – by 20 not 40 percent
|also (12:55pm est mon mar 13 2006)
one would expect a 20% increase across the span of 6 months. this whole argument is a fucking joke. – by amd is faster *now*
|re: sekretcynik (12:57pm est mon mar 13 2006)
"just wait, we got something special coming up." it's almost like saying "our new sooper sekret design will crush all opposition."
isn't that exactly what intel is saying?
intel hasn't delivered *yet*. there is still no fully independent verification of intel's *claims* that i'm aware of. – by jrink
|bad second link… (12:58pm est mon mar 13 2006)
rick, i think you meant this link for your 2nd one…
you might want to correct this. once again we are reminded that we are all human. ) – by geekthebarbarian
|it's pretty simple (1:00pm est mon mar 13 2006)
i've been saying the same stuff the past week and i am glad hr came out and said it himself.
amd does not need to redesign a new chip because it's technology is already there and ready to build on. facts are facts and before anyone judges, look at each platform and the truth is there.
the main point which is so true is intel is marketing instead of speaking of reality. what did we see in the benchmarks posted on the web last week? it was a clear fact that intel is back in the game and ready to push forward. it was a strategic marketing ploy which worked well. the fact is that it should not be looked as it will take over the performance lead or amd is doomed. for those that have that close minded view on things are better off not paying attention to this stuff because being one sided makes you ignorant.
so yes intel is back into the game and will be hoping to gain what they lost the past few years from amd. amd on the other hand does not seem to be worried considering that their design is overall better then intel's chip. for anyone that can understand the engineering of both can simply see what intel has done with the latest redeign of their chip. i wonder why they did not focus on this instead of releasing the original p4.
amd is trully responsible for innovation. there will be people on this board to constantly attack the small company but facts are facts regardless of ignorance. look at the past few years and see who is driving.
i look forward to reading the ignorant posts who can not bring anything to this board/table other then either company sux's. while all opinions are just as they are, a follow up to why someone feels that either company is so bad is more of a intelligewnt post – by me biggd01
|re. me biggd01 (1:19pm est mon mar 13 2006)
i'll start out by saying that i'm platform agnostic. whether it be amd/intel, ms/apple/linux or whomever. i run and support all of the aforementioned and can see and appreciate different tools for different jobs.
i've seen some amd fans quibble that the platform choosen for the amd side was pretty weak, "why not use an nforce 4?" i think if we look at the benchies though the results are pretty close regardless of what chipset is being paired with the k8.
it looks like when conroe ships it will take the performance crown away from amd across the board. amd's ddr2 support and few tweaks will probably not be enough for them to equal or surpass the intel offering. at that point amd will need to lower prices if they hope to continue to eat into intel's marketshare.
there is a big problem with that however. amd does not have the manufacturing resources or the war chest (ie deep pockets) to weather this type of war with intel. intel has the muscle and the money to move the market how it sees fit. there are not enough amd "fanboys" to keep amd on the track which they are now if they lose the performance crown imho.
when intel takes the lead there are many (myself included) that will go that route because we are loyal to no one and just want the best price to performance ratio. simple as that.
intel not having an integrated memory controller or hypertransport is not an issue at all on the low end or mainstream desktop market. the only place that matters is the high end server space where you try and scale out. obviously intel will need to address that at some point if they are serious about the 8 plus socket market. that discussion is really beyond the scope of this article though.
yes amd will have a manufacturing boost once fab36 is running at 100% but when will that be? the end of this year as they try and transition to the 65 process. even with that though they can't touch intel at all. intel has how many 65 fabs with 300mm wafers today? and they are building out the 45 process and 450mm wafers for testing? no one can come close to intel on manufactoring process or prowess.
i think this really comes down to what amd has in the pipe and will be coming to market soon after conroe ships. will the k8l really shift the performance lead back to amd's favor? can amd answer intel's quad core offering that will be pushed for highend desktops at the end of this year or early 2007? can amd really sacrifice the die size at this point in the game to make that a reality?
time will tell i suppose. it always does.
my .02 – by geekthebarbarian
|re: sekretcynik (1:20pm est mon mar 13 2006)
"why should i believe him? intel were promising that their new architecture would deliver 40% more performance than amd and at a 40% cut in power consumption compared to their own current generation. everyone doubted, they delivered."
why should anyone believe you when you're obviously incorrect? anandtech and others have noted the performance delta is about 20%, not 40% as you claim. the 40% number only showed up in the f.e.a.r benchmarks, and then only because the benchmark had been run with different settings on the amd vs. the intel box. subsequent tests corrected this error and the f.e.a.r difference went back down to about 20%. as for power consumption, intel has *not* demonstrated a 40% decrease. current p4 designs use roughly 120w, so a 40% decrease would mean conroe is running on only 48w. that figure isn't even obtainable with intel's low-power laptop line. it certainly isn't the case with the conroe desktop chip, or at least isn't attainable while the chip is actually *doing* anything.
"lol, what a farce the cpu market has become. instead of cock fights amoung the marketing types, let's have some good old fashioned war by benchmark."
gee, perhaps that'll happen when intel actually *releases* conroe in six months. in the meantime, you're comparing a chip that isn't even released to amd's three-year-old architecture. who knows what amd will have to show in six months? you certainly don't, yet you're more than willing to proclaim intel has met figures it didn't meet on benchmarks intel itself selected and ran on platforms intel itself built. and you want folks to think the amd guy is blowing marketing smoke? please.
henri may be doing just that, but it's not like intel isn't doing the exact same thing. when conroe is buyable by the general public and tested independently against *current*, mature amd hardware (and the ati chipset is a horrible example of this — why no nvidia?), then we'll see who's besting who. intel undoubtedly has something good in conroe, but to announce that amd is all fluff and no substance is just foolish on your part. makes you sound more like a fanboy than anything else. – by j. eric smith
|agreeing (1:20pm est mon mar 13 2006)
with the comment above, if amd hadn't led for the past few years with k&/amd64 would intel be scrambling to release ngma/icm – by ukgeek
|amd has response (1:31pm est mon mar 13 2006)
i don't want to give away what i know to be true…but i am sure anyone with a little internet savvy can find the info… amd is ready to roll with the k8l by the fall…
and its a beast – by da gooch
|j. eric smith (1:33pm est mon mar 13 2006)
from 120 watts, a 40% decrease would be 72 watts, which would be 48 watts less than current thermals.
– by rickgeek
|geekthebarbarian (1:38pm est mon mar 13 2006)
thanks for the response, and agree that no matter what the numbers shown in the benchmark, they were looking pretty good for intel. you will hear the disputes of configurations from fans and such but my argument was strictly about comparing products that are not due to be released for several months with products that have been around for many months. i guess we can look at it both ways though. intel had to do this because it does realize that amd has been wiping the floor with them on all aspects including server front. it proves this was a marketing ploy and my honest opinion is that it was a smart tactic to make people think. what concerned me was that people will take this and again make posts as if amd was doomed which falls into the marketing ploy for less intelligent. when the time comes, maybe both comapines will have match as was requested last year but we will never know. although impressed with intels scores, i hold them with a grain of salt until i see all competitors from a third party doing a true comparison. this honestly is many months away before we can actually do this which is strictly my point. we need to look at today instead of ignoring it and looking at tomorrow. bottom line is intel has made it clear who the current winner is. you have to respect the words of this guy saying that no one can claim a clear victory over the other which is the best thing i have ever heard becuase it is truth. no matter what the app is requiring, one processor will lead the other. no way for a true champion acros the board which is accurate. would you agree?
as far as the war, i laugh at that becauase i hear about how amd can not compete with intel because of it's size. the fact is that these two companies have been at war or lets just say competing for many years. the past 5 years, amd was winning in the beginning, dropped the ball, and the regained it with k8. i can not see how anyone can assume amd can not compete becuase it's muhc smaller of a company. they have been competing and they have been winning. will intel crush them, i doubt it but the competition is heating up again which we all look forward to. you said it yourself, you would go with th ebetter technology which brings me to my point. no matter the size, it all comes down to the technology which right now is amds court. i have no doubt intel will continue to push and push but no matter what, these things take a lot of time. – by me biggd01
|amd vs intel (2:06pm est mon mar 13 2006)
as far as conroe being almost a mirror of k8 (amd64-based architecture) goes, i�d have to say what did you expect? it�s obvious that the current pentium architecture has a ceiling of about 4mhz. intel has done all they could with that architecture. yes, amd recognized this first. a shorter, more efficient pipeline combined with a wider issue rate is the right answer.
as far as comparing a prototype chip with amd, all i can say is that the production chips can only be expected to be as good if not better. amd has 6 months to challenge conroe. i believe they can close the gap some but not fully.
in the end, competition is good for us, the customer. i�m sure amd has a few more tricks up its sleeve. they�re not going out of business tomorrow. exciting times are ahead.
|fud.. (2:20pm est mon mar 13 2006)
what else is he going to say..
"guys our next generation is going to be a dud, we have to wait till 2007 and 65nm for the next spin."
just like what as intel saying during the netbust dog days of 2004 and 2005. finally this year they started talking about merom.. and what did you fan boys say.. all talk and nothing is coming.. well now little fan boys what did intel deliver.
so i predict it is all fud.. their 65nm will be late by more then a year. whatever they can do will be incremental. if they really have another rabbit in their hat that will be a surprise. bs aside.. physics is physics and design follows standard laws, nothing is for free. i'm sure intel thought things thru very clearly the past 2 years and left no stone uncovered in their recovery plan.
if amd was to be believe why isn't wallstreet have them up. they are well down from their high just a few short weeks ago.. and wallstreet loves amd as much as you fan boys. the fact of the matter amd is history tell they show their manhood again
sure amd will be around, the will limp along like they did the past 20 years with one or two fabs and doing marginalized products.
intel has always been top dog, and has regained the design crown to go with their technolgy crown.
ain't no talk, posting or other thing will change that fact… lol
|interview was before conroe benchmarks came out… (2:28pm est mon mar 13 2006)
it's clear that henri was interviewed before the benchmarks came out. he even refers to the new intel architecture as ngma, instead of the newly coined term icm. check out what he's got to say about conroe:
then their new-generation micro-architecture (ngma), is, quite frankly, a quick fix on the front-side bus. i don't think that's the future of the intel architecture. i think it's another quick fix until 2008 or later, when they're going to come out with a genuinely new architecture…and calling it a new-generation microarchitecture is a little bit out of balance.
what's really nice about the interview is henri confirms that amd doesn't have anything radically new to combat whatever intel has this fall. he says that amd will continual to build on what they have by increasing memory bandwidth, etc (aka new socket design). so, essentially, if conroe is as good as the benchmarks make it out to be, amd is gonna be toast come fall.
|lex (2:36pm est mon mar 13 2006)
shut up you clueless ditz. – by supermanuel
|performance per dollar (2:43pm est mon mar 13 2006)
henri richard stated above, "if you look at performance in this app or that app you'll see a winner but if you turn more toward floating-point, the result might change. if you turn more toward memory bandwidth, it might change again. if you turn more toward performance-per-watt, it might change yet again, and so on."
for average users, performance per dollar is more important, and since intel has the majority of fabrication capacity, cost of fabrication may determine fate of incorporation of on-die memory controller on intel's processors.
on-die memory controller greatly reduces latency for memory intensive applications, but at what cost? it uses valuable silicon space, adds complexity to design, requires a re-design of processor for new memory interfaces.
performance benchmark plus performance per dollar will choose the consumer's favorite processor.
|re: rickgeek (2:59pm est mon mar 13 2006)
"from 120 watts, a 40% decrease would be 72 watts, which would be 48 watts less than current thermals."
you are correct. i got too hasty with my math. should've multiplied 120 x 0.6 instead of 0.4.
72w is still low for a dual-core chip running full bore, though. then again, amd is quoting 95w for its quad-core socket1207 opterons (grin!) so maybe intel can do it. – by j. eric smith
|not impressed with intels benchmarks (2:59pm est mon mar 13 2006)
so, intel's new chip (6 months from now) will have an advantage in 32bit in single threaded 32bit applications (where one application is using most of the cpu). fine by me, when itel can beat amd in a multitasking 64bit environment i'll be impressed.
i know 32bit is still being widely used, but next generation tech should be tested based on next generation technologies.
amd's memory controller:
|re: lexington (3:06pm est mon mar 13 2006)
"intel has always been top dog, and has regained the design crown to go with their technolgy crown."
really? with what product?
oh! you mean the product that intel isn't making in volume yet and isn't shipping yet. well, amd has a killer new processor that'll be out in two years that'll run at 10ghz and consume 1 watt of power! it'll run f.e.a.r at 2000fps with all the details turned up to full. it's a monster! clearly amd has won the design crown *because sooner or later it's going to make a faster processor!*
pardon me for the hyperbole. now perhaps you understand how truly stupid you sound when you make such pronouncments. intel hasn't regained *squat* until it actually ships a product *and* that product compares favorably to whatever amd will be producing at ship time *and* that product is priced in a similar bracket *and* that product is widely available in large numbers. to put it simply, you can't buy a conroe right now, and you won't be able to for at least six months. until that time, intel has nothing to regain the crown *with*.
do i think conroe is going to be a good chip? absolutely. do i think it will dethrone amd? probably. can i prove any of this? absolutely not. and neither can you. – by j. eric smith
|re: meh (3:12pm est mon mar 13 2006)
"i know 32bit is still being widely used, but next generation tech should be tested based on next generation technologies."
64-bit code in general will not gain much (if anything) in the performance arena. in fact, under certain circumstances, 64-bit code can be *slower* than 32-bit code due to less efficient use of the l2 cache. there is nothing magical about 64-bits that makes things run faster unless you're manipulating data that's larger than 32-bits…and almost no application is doing much of that right now outside of the scientific community. the big advantage 64-bits brings to the table is it enables more than 4gb of ram on the pc. beyond that, there's not much there for everyday applications.
64-bits will not save amd. if anything will save them in a conroe fight, it's going to be more efficient multiprocessing, clock scaling, larger l2 caches, or the next revision of chips with double the number of floating point units. personally i'm curious as to how far intel can scale a conroe given it's amazingly short pipeline. short, wide pipelines are notoriously difficult to scale in clock frequency. – by j. eric smith
|blah blah blah (3:15pm est mon mar 13 2006)
i got nothing to say except bend over and take it you fan boys.
you can't change the facts.
intel got merom, and many derivative steppings a coming, got 4 300mm 65nm factories, and even better stuff coming in 2007 with world beating 45nm technology. the ground breaking has happened steel is in place and tools are already ordered..
amd is worst then burnt toast… nothing you guys can do about since none of you work in an area that could materially effect this at all.. just dumb outsiders – by lex..
|64 bit…? (3:17pm est mon mar 13 2006)
i find this interesting 64 bit has been here now what how many years now from amd.. is there really any single application that 90% of the consumers use that exploits this late and great amd innovation.
– by just curious.
|just curious (3:26pm est mon mar 13 2006)
no. consumers don't even need the full power of 32-bit computing, were the truth told. however, amd is not going to make a 32-bit version for consumer and a 64-bit for servers. they have one architecture, one core design, and it will address more than all of their needs on notebook and desktop (consumer) spaces, and will address the demanding requirements of server spaces.
a recompile to 64-bit mode can produce up to a 30% speedup, thanks to the additional gpr registers and flat memory model. so there are real advantages for the consumer. but who really needs that for surfing, emailing and doing 99% of office apps? no one.
– by rickgeek
|j. eric smith (3:29pm est mon mar 13 2006)
why bother with lex. the person most likely takes 2 hours to watch 60 minutes. he is absolutely one of the people i mentioned in my previous post. yes, ignorance.
anyway, although neither can prove intel can dethrown amd but maybe some can but can't. i will bet you amd suprises many including you with what they have hopefully by augustseptember. it's going to make some fans very unhappy but then again some fans very happy. everyone is missing a key point to this first article. – by me biggd01
|wow.. (3:33pm est mon mar 13 2006)
i guess a 2.53 ghz pentium 4 for 299 from dell works just fine. almost there for you rick to give all the poor a computer.
looks like conroe truely rocks..
– by conroe rocks
|hey lex (3:33pm est mon mar 13 2006)
since you want to appear to know so much, why don't you let us know in your own words what it is that makes the conroe so great. please, humor us instead of talking out of your arse. don't research it either since form the sound of your posts, you already know. let us know all the new technology in this platform. i will help you out—ddr2/800, 4meg cache, but what is the engine that makes this purr? – by me biggd01
|j eric (4:10pm est mon mar 13 2006)
a 40% decrease on something does not result in more than half being removed. if i decrease 100 by 40% i am left with 60. if i start with a power requirement of 120w and redue it by 40% then i am left with something in the order of 72w. don't lecture me for 'not getting my facts straight' when you can't even muster the math to do a simple percentile calculation. the "40% and 40%" was from the headlines i have read both here and other tech sites.
thanks so much for the bitch slapping though, i really enjoyed it. such a pity that you come off like an offended amd fanboy.
jrink : intel has shown actual silicon of a pre-production chip running in standard hardware and software. it was benched against an existing amd chip, but not just a stock chip, an overclocked chip. tell me, what is the performance difference between conroe running at stock speeds and amd running at stock speeds? could it indeed be that 40% margin? hmmmmm….? thanks awfully for the verbal slap in the face though, so refreshing for a monday to come on here and get such royal treatment.
the point i was making was that for once here was intel actually showing physical product. allowing folks to play with them and test them and not simply putting up slide after slide of marketing benchmarks. and then the apparent response from amd is essentially fud. it's ironic that roles have reversed so completely. amd has allowed it's product to do the talking for a long time now, to great success. intel has been left with marketing all over it's face as it tried to fud it's way out of the netburst fiasco.
now intel riases it's game and comes out and allows it's product to do the talking. amd by comparison seems to be left with fud.
as someone else pointed out this is a comparison of a prototype chip, that may be tweaked further before actual release, against a top of the line overclocked amd chip.
j eric, you wrote "to announce that amd is all fluff and no substance is just foolish on your part. makes you sound more like a fanboy than anything else.". i see. so, apart from sounding like one yourself, your qualifications to make that judgement would be? my post was not a long one, it was pointing out that amd is now engaging in exactly what the majority of folks here criticise intel for. as for the bench marks, i'll say it again, the amd chip was overclocked the intel chip is a pre-production number. had the comparison been stock speed against stock speed, i believe that the performance gap would have been a little wider, perhaps even closer to the 40% intel has claimed. as it was, the amd chip had a 5% advantage in clock speed over conroe, since it was clocked to 2.8ghz against conroe at 2.66ghz.
as i said at the end of my post let's have a war of benchmarks not a cock fight of marketeers. not sure how that comes off as being a foolish fanboy, but hey ymmv.
|i have an amd (4:13pm est mon mar 13 2006)
i have an amd and yes granted it is faster on average i would say 15% above the intel equalivilant , but for certain other applications the intel in my very humble opinion is much better!!! after having both cpus i am going back to dare i say it ? intel i was impressed with the amd system for sure yes , but certainly not enough to convince me to ever buy another one …. – by beam
|beammeupscottie (4:31pm est mon mar 13 2006)
funny you should mention your cock 'cos that is exactly what i think you are.
so, what does all this mean? why are people so upset about this, personally i'm excited about this chip. i won't buy it for a very long time, though i enjoy reading about it. i'd like to see intel come out with this guns blazing but i truely hope to see other features of the system sped up along with this, such a faster boot time.
i know future chip generations will be better for running better virtual systems, however they prefer to give more attention to how it will play a bloody game called f.e.a.r. at faster fps. big deal, show me more inbuilt security and features!!! – by a brit
|just a marketing guy blowing smoke. (4:41pm est mon mar 13 2006)
read between the lines guys, i am an amd fan, and i can say that this fellow is simply saying that their products are going to be ok in a match against what they see intel having but expect to be beat on several fronts. he is also saying that they do not have anything special in the wings for the near future. . sucks, but true. – by eric the red
|sorry (4:44pm est mon mar 13 2006)
amd fanboys have to admit, intel won this round. period. – by hr
|amd rules (4:51pm est mon mar 13 2006)
i'm just wondering how difficult it's gonna be for intel to manufacture such a chip. most like it sounds like they will extremely limited quantities of chip. i could be wrong, since this chip is meant to be their mainstream product.
overall conroe sounds like a good chip, but i'll wait until it comes out and see what amd has to put up against it.
it's about time intel made a decent cpu and made the cpu market a bit more competitive.
i hope amd has an answer for conroe by xmas.
– by beam me up amd
|game over.. (4:52pm est mon mar 13 2006)
"this is tragic to us as we are big believers in amd," ross wrote in a note to clients. "however, near term, what we view as a devastating pricing environment will likely cut into amd's share gains and/or profits."
noting tragic, intel just zoomed by amd.. being just good enough simple is not enough for amd. they need to be better or they are only good enough for oems to negotiate a better deal from intel. you can smell the billions of profit for intel and the stink of the losses piling up for amd
for you fan boys that want to measure how your limp manhood:
"final words
believe it or not, intel doesn't seem malicious in their intent. the amd system could be better configured by using a rd580 based motherboard instead of a rd480 platform, but other than that there's not much else that can be done to improve the performance of the system intel used. obviously we're not going to rely on these initial benchmarks for our final take on conroe, but the scores are extremely interesting to say the least.
conroe is supposed to launch in q3 of this year, and here we are at the end of q1 with some fairly impressive performance numbers. what could happen over the next quarter or so?
amd will be launching socket-am2 in q2 of this year, which will bring about more memory bandwidth as well as lower power consumption thanks to the energy efficient cpus that will ship on the platform. we have yet to see whether or not real world performance will go up as a result of the move to ddr2, but it very well may.
on the intel front, there is a lot of time for performance optimization with regards to conroe and its platforms. it�s also worth noting that the 2.66ghz e6700 we previewed here is simply a high end mainstream part, it is not an extreme edition flavor of conroe. at 2.8 or 3.0ghz, a conroe ee would offer even stronger performance than what we�ve seen here."
funny heah to hear how when intel does something it is bad and fluffy, but when amd does it its okay and right. – by lex
|hmmm…. (4:54pm est mon mar 13 2006)
seems like everyone's up in arms about the pre-production conroe slamming the overclocked fx-60. to me this is something to celebrate. don't get me wrong, i'm no intel fanboy. until about 2 weeks ago, i've run nothing but amd chips at home for the last few years. i favor whomever has the best tech at the time. by the way things look now, conroe is going to give amd a run for its money. and this is not bad for us the consumer!!! it's about time intel stepped up to the plate and put something good out there.
now, all that being said, we really don't know what amd is going to have in 6 months when conroe is actually released. it could just be a stepped up version of what we have now. if it is, amd could very well lose the performance crown. then again, they might have something in the wings that they are staying very close-mouthed about. who knows? i certainly don't. the point is, to know for sure we will have to wait 6 more months until conroe comes out, then run benchmarks against amd's best offering. that will tell the tale.
– by pitviper
|intel's manufacturing…. (4:57pm est mon mar 13 2006)
that is one of intel's strongest qualities….they are about a year and half ahead of amd when it comes to that. amd on the other hand has always relied on big brother ibm to help them with process i.e. shrinks,soi and manufacturing to get them out of trouble. we'll see if big blue comes through………… – by by by by
|6 months for amd, no problem…. (5:09pm est mon mar 13 2006)
the playing field is clear, amd is going to cotinue to lead. merom, conroe, woodcrest who's afraid of intel.
amd, scrap their plans, get the team to find a brand new architecture that can kicked intel. they aren't intel they are better, faster, smarter, more nimble. a couple weeks for the architecture, design it in a montha, get it out of the fab in 8 weeks, debug in one week and annouce it in 6 months and kick merom to the back of the bus.
um… i don't think so fanboys.
pss.. what more scary then a ugly, dumb geek?
answer: a fat ( 245 or 235 lb ) fat, ugly, dumb amd geek – by r and s
|i can tell your right now (5:18pm est mon mar 13 2006)
that in my business and for my hobbies related to my business i need 64 bits… 3d rendering makes great use of the increased bandwidth afforded by 64 bits software. – by renderfastrenderamd
|rich and smart (5:22pm est mon mar 13 2006)
go back to your crack pipe shit for brains.
as long as amd was slaughtering intel you were silent, now intel has announced their magical conroe which no one on earth can buy and use for 6 more months and you talk all big again. sick fuck. – by just say no to r & s
|j. eric smith (5:31pm est mon mar 13 2006)
is there any application that an average computer user would conceivably utilize more than 4gb of ram?
so why are they making out that 64 bits is such a big deal?
– by nobody special
|hmmm (5:34pm est mon mar 13 2006)
re: conroe rocks
too bad those numbers are from an intel supplied system, for both pc setups. once the cpu is available to everyone should anything meaningful be taken from those numbers.
"sure amd will be around, the will limp along like they did the past 20 years with one or two fabs and doing marginalized products.
intel has always been top dog, and has regained the design crown to go with their technolgy crown. "
uh huh…
"ain't no talk, posting or other thing will change that fact"
and that fact is this: "it (intels ngma) is almost a mirror of k8 (amd64-based architecture) without the obvious on-die memory controller or multiple hypertransport links."
re read it again and again and again, tosser, before making yourself out to be the biggest fucktard on the internet.
– by headley
|nobody special (5:57pm est mon mar 13 2006)
there are a lot of applications that can and will utilize that much ram. today, 2 gig is common in a normal desktop. let's look a head a little further and when vista comes out, you will see many new things that only a powerful system can handle.
if your point is, does grandma need to this much power to check her e-mail, then ofcourse the answer is no. you probably will not need a update for a long time.
i think we stand at a time where software needs to ctach up a little but more to really utilize it. – by me biggd01
|me silient.. (6:02pm est mon mar 13 2006)
sorry either you have been asleep, have alzheimer, or are just plain stupid ( probably the latter )
i've been here telling you all that even though amd is ahead now they are still never going to be more then a bit player and that in the end intel was going to win. intel was winning all along by any important business metric.
you guys hate it, it not matters who is first, but who has the business plan that will win and make money.
ford can crow all it wants about the assmebly line and inventing the car. so what the foreigners make them 4 wheels better. frankly i don't care who invited what. its so convenient to cut intel down and call their new architecture just the pentium iii retread and how stupid it is. but now that they are ahead.. its coping amd. see them cry babies.. do you see intel cry? now they just go and compete the best they can.
its double nice to be rich, smart, and right… i've said it before the insults only make me laugh at your dire fanboy situation
|hmmm (6:08pm est mon mar 13 2006)
"its double nice to be rich, smart, and right… i've said it before the insults only make me laugh at your dire fanboy situation"
looks to be a triple, can you even count? and as you have said time and time again, intels business model is da shiznits.
it's not. and you really have no idea on how to operate in reality. obviously.
– by blah
|blah.. (6:12pm est mon mar 13 2006)
share reality to me at your place of employment…
what do you measure your companies or your project success.
– by not in fantasyland
|fanboys (6:27pm est mon mar 13 2006)
really, this is stupid. anyone with an ounce of a brain will recognize that whoever puts out the best cpu deserves the kudos. blindly being faithful to one cpu vendor or another shows lack of intelligence. are we geeks or idiots? – by had enough
|well.. (6:41pm est mon mar 13 2006)
we have innovation, infastructure installation, a complete 'one stop shop' for it infastructure services, software installations, hardweare maintenance, database support, and many other items.
we don't let our reputation run our business, or copy other peoples stuff. we do alot of hard work and it is paying off good.
– by blah
|most here are blind fanboys (6:51pm est mon mar 13 2006)
if you haven't figured it out already this site and its moderators have a clear history showing their fanboys colors!
all about amd is good! intel, apple, and m$ are all bad evil and incompetent turning out garbage products that the guillable world gobles!!
they can't handle the fact that in the business world you can't find 3 more admired technology companies. they are widely successfuly as business and not a flaming failure like amd. its not suprising that amd has its fans. it is human nature to root for those you closely relate to. – by winner not a whiner
|blah blah blah. (7:05pm est mon mar 13 2006)
i'd be surprise if your values aren't the same at ibm, intel or any small startup..
work hard, innovate and domninate all business plans. its a matter of degree about how hard you work to get the maximum payoff.
sometimes one person's view of working hard and competing to win is viewed by the uneducated or the biased as cheating. unlike sports where running up the score is not good sportsmenship, leaving profit or marketshare on the table for others is generally not smart/good/prudent business practice as it is your competitor. give him anything and he could and will comeback to eat your lunch in the future.
i've never heard a sports team that is successfull with a new defensive or offensive scheme to only find next year everyone doing it whinning about copying or cheating. copying is the most clear form of flattery. let others pioneer, fail, or succeed then follow. why be stupid and be first and fail. wait to see what works and what is successful. until then it is always safer to stay the course that got you there.
in general all large established companies do it. ibm, cdc, digital, wang ge, intel, ms. etc. the difference is that some are able to transform and succeed and others like cdc, digital, or wang for example fail becaus they can't change. – by r and s
|i hope intel leads.. (7:51pm est mon mar 13 2006)
and then 6 months later amd takes the lead…
and then a year out intel is back…
i know it's tooooooo much to ask, but would it not be nice is intel and amd started doing the ati/nvidea thing where we get major updates about every 20 minutes or so…
it is just stupid amazing how much power you get in a midrange video card (the one that was top of the line, say at 7.30 am yesterday)
could cpu buyers ever get this lucky…?
probably not, but it's nuice to dream :) – by quantum kitty cat
|so… (9:02pm est mon mar 13 2006)
i want to buy the best x86 chips now!
where do i go? you know…
does it mean quirt that intel has a faster chip for showing in the near future? amd could have done the same but..
– by ya already knew that
|so much (9:19pm est mon mar 13 2006)
hate in this world.
can't we all just get along?
enjoy whats out there and be happy when something (anything) better comes along. – by satisfied.
|i'm singing (9:27pm est mon mar 13 2006)
can you hear me sing – by the fat lady
|not buying presler (9:41pm est mon mar 13 2006)
obvious reason.. – by waiting for conroe
|mebigd01 (10:49pm est mon mar 13 2006)
actually many women love my height and looks , but i am into other guys only! sorry ladies ! and i am ot much shorter then you you and well lets say the men love the meat !!! all 8 and a half inches of it !! bigme
|you are pittfully puny (10:55pm est mon mar 13 2006)
you must be a amd fan, you'd never make it in any of my movies. the girls wouldn't even know you were there… – by lexington steele
|not an amd fan (11:00pm est mon mar 13 2006)
nope i am nither an amdfanboy or intel, but i do prefer intel by far !! – by beammeupscottie
|64bit is important (12:11am est tue mar 14 2006)
this is a long one, i write x86-64 assembly and some things need to be said.
64bit computing brings a lot more than 4gb+ of ram.
1-all the x86-64 processors from amd and intel support sse/sse2/sse3. this means software can take advantage of simd without having to worry about extension compatibility (if its 64bit it'll work).
2-more registers means better algorithm optimization, because less local storage needs to be used.
3-what general user software applications can take advantage of this? all video and music encoding can make very good use of being able to process 64 and 128 bits of information at a time. 2d and 3d editing can also be greatly optimized by 64bit processing. and of course gaming, being able to grab and store bigger chunks of information can lead to better optimized ai algorithms and software prerendering.
4-why 64bit software is lagging. currently compilers just aren't smart enough. you can tell your c++ compiler to make a 64bit app and use sse/2/3 but it won't make your algorithms parallel for you, it won't redesign how you store data for optimal alignment, it may take advantage of the extra registers but not in the most optimal way. so the problem becomes, there's just not enough 64bit assembly programs to take advantage of 64bit computing and making 64bit compilers smarter.
5-the 64bit transition is slow and it may never happen. the switch from 16 to 32bit didn't happen over night. what if imbs power6 dominates every benchmark thrown at it and gets into the user space (with some emulation). in a generation or two we may be switching to that architecture (would be an uber pain in the ass for all the x86 assembly programmers).
i beleive x86-64 and the ability to scale and multitask well are all part of next generation processors. intel hasn't shown me that their 64bit processing is as good as amds or that their dual core processors can run as efficiently under load as amds can. – by r22
|/ imb = ibm (12:15am est tue mar 14 2006)
lol – by r22
|ibm is so 60's (12:51am est tue mar 14 2006)
imb's hey day was when hippies and flower children ran around at woodstock.
innovation and profits has passed that company by. – by yawn
|with or without on-die memory controller. (1:08am est tue mar 14 2006)
i was scanned thru one of the posts which is said the it takes more silicon when a cpu has on-die memory controller. the thinking was logic but he/she forgets the fact that you have to have the memory controller somewhere to control the memory timing (north bridge chipset in intel case). people keep comparing the cpu cost between intel and amd but never factored in the cost of a chipset. intel has been made a ton of money on chipset besides their cpu. and i also think that this is one of the reasons intel tries not to move away from the old front side bus.
cheers, – by asianbison
|r22 (2:11am est tue mar 14 2006)
great post bud and thanks for the info. was wondering though from something in the post if you don't mind me asking. are you saying it's easier to program outside of the sse/simd instructions and program strictly through 64 bit registers? if that is the case, i wonder if others will ignore the instruction sets all together if it produces just as good results. – by me biggd01
|amd k9 greyhound – 65nm core f (3:04am est tue mar 14 2006)
seems that info is left or perhaps not for one of his next arcticles.
– by john belushi
|sse is an important part of 64bit (3:23am est tue mar 14 2006)
another long one.
most 32bit processors have sse extensions, but software developers are kind of lazy, so rather than code two versions of an algorithm 1) that will work on the processor with sse and 2) the one that will work on grannys pentium1, they just code option 2.
but since all x86-64 bit processors have sse extensions there's no more excuse not to use them. the old "but some processors won't run the code" is gone.
the 64bit instruction set is just an extension of 32bit. so by default register sizes are extended to 64bits and more registers are available to software. so the only benefit of just the 64bit instruction set is 4x as much fast storage. (in 32bit theres 8 general purpose registers 32bits long, in 64bit theres 16 registers 64bits long) using registers to store/move/manipulate data is much faster than using local/global memory.
for moving and storing data 66% faster
but you can't do any floating point operations with 32bit or 64bit instruction sets, you need the fpu.
simd instructions like the sse/2/3 extensions perform fast floating point calculations and also have the ability to perform 2 (double precision) or 4 (single precision) calculations in parallel. the instruction sets also have a more limited but made for parallelism version of the 32bit and 64 bit instruction sets for integer calculation and comparison. but another feature of these extensions is when you have aligned memory you can move 16bytes in one instruction instead of (4 bytes with 32bit) or (8 bytes with 64bit) instruction sets alone. if the memory is not aligned its usually faster to use the 32bit or 64bit instruction sets' data moving.
in 32bit software most of the floating point calculations were done with x87 (slow) fpu code. for example, win xp 32bit doesn't use simd instructions for any of the kernels floating point calculations or aligned memory/data moving, because the developers would of had to make two versions (one that ran on grannys box and one that ran on 70% of the markets relatively new processors with sse extensions)
but for software to take advantage of the faster floating point operations, algorithms need to be made more parallel. because doing one floating point calculation at a time using sse instructions is only a little faster than using the old fpu instructions (this is what most stupid compilers do when you tell them to use sse extensions). so without an 'intelligence' telling the compiler how to organizing the memory and the algorithm to do multiple floating point calculations every time an instruction is executed you don't even come close to the speed gains that you should be getting.
simd instructions (sse/2/3) use there own 128bit registers. in 32bit there's only 8 of these registers, in 64bit theres 16.
so if a peice of software doesn't perform an data manipulating algorithm or floating point calculations the difference between the 32bit version and the 64bit version is neglibile. microsoft office 2007or8 will most likely not run any faster in the native 64bit release compared to the 32bit one. but a 64bit mpeg4 codec will definetly whip a 32bit one.
there's just not enough room or time to go into the details of it all. with programming languages like java and c# programmers learn none of the above information. the only programmers that care about optimization now are the virtual machine and justintime compiler developers and the driver developers. this is why games use sse extensions even if the game programmers never heard of them, directx/opengl dlls check the processor and use the appropriate optimizations. this is why new games can have fantastic visuals but horrible ai, directx and opengl do as much of the calculating as possible with simd instructions and the tough stuff gets done on the graphics card, but this doesn't make the logic of the game any better.
i should write a book, so much more elaboration is needed. – by r22
|very interesting (4:41am est tue mar 14 2006)
great read, i enjoyed it mucho. thanks for sharing. i wonder if this is why amd is pushing 50% fpu boost in future chips. – by me biggd01
|general stuff (6:09am est tue mar 14 2006)
with regard to a 40% boost. they claimed a 40% boost over existing products (i.e the pentium d class). they've been talking about a 20% lead over amd for some time now.
quad core: intel will have two quad core markets: the performance optimized and the mainstream one. the first one will have a 120 watt tdp, but the second one will have a 80 watt tdp. chances are the tdp is overrated and the chips will actually use less power then stated. note core duo and dothan. they will also have a 40 watt server chip.
k9: i really doubt that k9 will be able to hit 4.4 ghz. the process might be good, but with a 12 stage pipeline that�s going to very difficult. even when intel predicted netburst, it required a 20 stage pipeline to hit 4 ghz ish and that was ideal situations. i mean it might hit 4.4 ghz, but by then intel will have 45nm and the penryn.will be out in h2 of 2007.
it�s 45nm and has additional die modifications. intel employees can generally talk about products that have been leaked and clarify information about those specific processors. right now, they are bound by nda restrictions. so we know that it won�t be completely based off of merom, but we also know that there will be performance boosts as well as a 6 mb l2 cache which is pretty good.
intel has a good reason for not using hypertransport. they were talking to one of the designers of merom and he said:
so if i go and give you a big cache
he�s got a good point. cache is lower latency and has a higher bandwith. i�m not sure if the l2 is connected to the l1 via a 256 bit pathway or not, but if it is then great. btw he said that the integrated memory controller was a good idea, but that the current implementation is the best for intel now.
and concerning itanium, some of the money being spent is go improve the compilers. from what i read, much of the problem there are not many apps for itanium is because what would take an hour to compile for an operton or xeon platform would take 3 months for itanium because most of the time was spent wondering why it did not work. so, they are improving the linux compilers and i�d expect windows also. intel also hired 200-300 employees to help develop future generations of the itanium processor. the two generations after montecito are expected to be huge changes.
basically amd is saying what every fanboy says. they might be right, but based on the current roadmaps and current benchmarks of revision f of am2, intel is going to have the lead until k8l comes out and after that i don�t know who will win.
|r22 (8:25am est tue mar 14 2006)
"1-all the x86-64 processors from amd and intel support sse/sse2/sse3. this means software can take advantage of simd without having to worry about extension compatibility (if its 64bit it'll work)."
this is at least the second time you have written this, and it is not true. x86-64 processors today have those abilities automatically. however, amd still recommends that you examine rflags and cpuid to determine if all of those features are actually available on the particular version of the processor you're running. this requirement is to address potential future needs where a version of amd64 is released without those initially available base abilities, such as early amd64 products not having sse3, for example.
future versions may not have an fpu if simd code allows for things like transcendentals and other features available today only in the fpu.
as such, one must always test or run the risk of having your application fail.
– by rickgeek
|intel vs. amd (8:31am est tue mar 14 2006)
like it or not we all need competition! without amd, intel customers will be paying tons more for intel processors?
think about it…its not about being superior..its all about value for money!!
– by truion
|truion (9:35am est tue mar 14 2006)
you are definetly right about that. we all need the competition. i've been in it since 1987 and have seen the early days of both companies. during the time when intel was solely the master, it took years for them to just up the mhz, much less a new processor design. the free market forces companies to innovate or die. if you are an intel or amd fanboy, that's fine. it's a matter of personal choice. performance wise, amd might be better now, but that doesn't really matter to the majority of business users out there who's primary concern is price. – by freemarket
|qwerty (10:25am est tue mar 14 2006)
none of this all really matters when every vendor you talk to when launching a new software product in the company is going to recommend and sometimes only support intel based products. – by asdf
|the rats have been leaving the ship (11:01am est tue mar 14 2006)
take a look, even the insiders are cashing out… there is no bottom now to the stock..
– by short on amd
|i love lex (1:23pm est tue mar 14 2006)
it seems like lex is throwing around the words amd fanboys quite a lot. but isn�t lex looking like an intel fanboy – by bart
|one point that should be made (1:25pm est tue mar 14 2006)
if dell were going to go amd, 2004 and 2005 would have been the time to do it. considering that intel appears to be guaranteed to at least catch up with amd, and likely to exceed, and perhaps may even outright decimate them, there is no compelling reason for dell to go amd now. in fact, i'm guessing dell was given a preview of all this much earlier (probably last year) just to keep them faithful. they're probably seeing the extreme edition also for their new xps gaming systems, as well as server and mobile tech. and i thought conrow is likely to ship in a few months (why does everyone keep saying 6 months?). i hear 3-4. anyways, so far all we have seen is intel's midrange chip beating an overclocked amd fx (the performance crown holder of the last year) by 20-30%, with, yes, a 40% power reduction. even if amd has something up their sleeve, we already know that the extreme edition will futher the performance lead, presumably by a lot (faster bus, faster clock). and intel's conroe clock performance should scale very well, even better than athlon (4 ops per clock vs. 3). besides, i really don't think amd has anything up their sleeve. they haven't indicated so and now's the time to say so, especially if you're trying to win apple and dell business. they're just too busy trying to get 65nm and additional fabs up to be up to something new. if merom has the impact that conroe does, they can absolutely forget about catching up with centrino, an already proven and leading platform. plus, they've already told us about new improvements to their arch (better socket, better ht, and ddr2). none of those things will have a radical impact to dual core performance. seems to me (and i know i can't verify) that this is intel's year. time will tell the sure truth, but benchmarks and these interviews even are saying more than amd fan boys would like… – by intellooksgoodnow
|day 5 (2:50pm est tue mar 14 2006)
stil cant buy a conroe
5 days and counting … – by da gooch
|rickgeek (3:21pm est tue mar 14 2006)
you right, sse3 support did lag slightly after initial x86-64 chips.
how about every x86-64 has at least sse/2 extensions. the sse3 instructuion set is pretty small and doesn't add too much.
on win xp 64bit, there are some floating point math functions in ntdll.dll (part of the kernel). these functions are optimized using sse/2. as far as i can tell there's no sse3 instructions used. so while i'll surrender my point about sse3 i still beleive it holds true in almost all cases for at least sse and sse2.
good point that need clarification rickgeek. – by r22
|r22 (4:14pm est tue mar 14 2006)
it does hold true today. but amd has stated time and time again that the rflags and cpuid results need to be checked to make sure all of the capabilities your program needs are there. the reason? amd has stated that in the future they might make a scaled-down version of amd64 without an fpu, for example, or any simd extensions. they would do it for embedded apps, and other apps which could benefit from x86-64, but not necessarily high performance, just compatibility and very low power.
amd has made it clear that if you want to write proper amd64 code, you need to check those values, even though you can assume that the fpu, mmx, sse, sse2 and other single-instruction extensions are present in today's implementations, they may not be there in tomorrow's. and i assume you would like to write code that will be around a while.
additionally, what are you doing writing assembly code in this day and age? the only real need would be for bios or other very low-level functions. today's optimizing compilers are certain close enough to optimized assembly to be usable on 99.99% of all user applications.
– by rickgeek
|correction (4:16pm est tue mar 14 2006)
d'oh! "certain" should be "certainly". that's a common mistype of mine. so is adding a "y" to the end of "ever". it just comes naturally. :)
– by rickgeek
|the compile point (10:04pm est tue mar 14 2006)
another long one.
rickgeek, even amds geode supports sse. i think all x86-64 processors need some sse support, because fpu registers and mmx registers (when running in 64bit long mode) are volatile accross context switches. so, while i'm sure amd has said something along the lines of what you are presenting, i doubt they mean it :d
i use assembly for procedural tasks that need to run quickly. for instance, right now i'm developing an encryption scheme (that seems to be very similar to what windows vista is implement) that encrypts your files and stores the key on a thumb drive. it'll run on a win xp64 platform, and with a few tweaks (since its not going to be gui heavy) it'll run on vista64 as well.
anyone that code gui's more advanced than a dialog box in assembly is just wasting time but when it comes to making a real-time function that uses simd run faster compilers can't even come close to hand rolled.
optimizing compilers are very good at optimizing the 32bit and 64bit instruction sets, but have a lot of trouble optimizing code for parallel execution with sse/2/3 instructions.
run something like
the following is assembly syntax, "/"s are used to separate instructions so i can show two instructions on the same line to take up less room.
through an optimizing compiler and you'll get.
now for real optimization, what compilers can't do.
i have no doubt that in the future compilers will have advanced ai for picking out the most optimal way to assemble any block of code, but right now they have trouble making algorithms parallel.
any code that can benefit from being made parallel or any code that uses sse/2/3 instructions is almost always hand written assembly. math and graphics libraries, drivers, bios, embeded apps that need to run optimally. – by r22
|r22 (8:00am est wed mar 15 2006)
"rickgeek, even amds geode supports sse. i think all x86-64 processors need some sse support, because fpu registers and mmx registers (when running in 64bit long mode) are volatile accross context switches."
all registers are volatile across context switches. the difference is that the processor maintains a bit indicating whether or not they have been re-loaded. each time an instruction is executed after a context-switch that requires use of those registers, the os is called to then take the overhead time necessary to restore those states before proceeding. if they're not needed, the it doesn't matter what data is in those registers because they're never accessed or used. when they are needed, the os handles the update properly.
"so, while i'm sure amd has said something along the lines of what you are presenting, i doubt they mean it :d"
"i use assembly for procedural tasks that need to run quickly."
that is just about the only reason to program in assembly these days. another is for extremely small code, but it is also code that isn't very easily maintainable. so, if you can write it once and never have to change it beyond initial development and bug fixes, then it can be very desirable. but, as you say, for simd stuff, it's what you need.
"for instance, right now i'm developing an encryption scheme (that seems to be very similar to what windows vista is implement)…"
i'm working on something very similar for vista right now. :) i'm using the via c7-m padlock engine for most of the encryption, however. it is the fastest on the market and very powerful.
btw, i can see a point in time about 5 to 10 years from now where companies like amd and intel release versions of x86-64 which do not include simd at all, for example, or maybe even the fpu, because they will run on embedded apps at, say, 22nm or smaller process technologies. this will allow them to operate on 10s of microvolts, 10s of microamps and be small enough and powerful enough to operate things that require many, many external components today. that will be the time to have all of the testing. for right now, you can pretty much assume everything up to sse2 is there, with sse3 being the only thing to test for.
horizontal features need to become much more pronounced in simd. until that happens, there's still a big bottleneck.
– by rickgeek
|you geek's are (7:21pm est thu mar 16 2006)
morons, seriouly, big fat morons. intel stumbled in 2004, and it took them a while to re-align and comeback. if you compare the roadmaps of the two companies, intel is going to pound amd to pulps!.
ever wondered why apple chose intel? apple has always been the rebel, always sticking it up to the man, and then apple chose intel (that man!). apple shopped around, saw the roadmaps of ibm and amd and decided intel is da bang! for the future. same case with dell. companies like dell and intel share roadmaps and plans years before they are made public. if dell saw no future in intel, they would have jumped camps ages back. why don't you geeks give up and discuss something else….i hear there is a lot of gossip on martha stewart….or even britney spears!
|hate intel (3:03pm est fri apr 07 2006)
i hate intel! reasons are endless..
they never wanted to make high performing processors in such a quick rate i think. they r just making it bcuz of amd
they charge more for their cpu although it doesnt perform better than amd
their low price celeron processors where expensive compared to the performance it gave.
they changed their plans to make a completely new core conroe! just to compete with amd.
all of wat they r doing is just for amd! – by giddy_soul
|r22 (3:41am est wed apr 26 2006)
your reason why "64bit software is lagging" is just plain silly. – by dumb geeks
|lov intels conroe. (4:41am est wed jul 19 2006)
cool! – by giddy_soul


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Dad made dreams come true
Growing up, there were a few things I knew for sure. I knew my family was a little different. I knew I was loved, and I knew if I worked hard enough, I could achieve anything. My father raised me to know these things.
Though my dad and I were surrounded by a myriad of friends, family and loved ones who impacted our lives on a daily basis, it was often "just the two of us." My mother died when I was very young, after a car accident caused by a drunk driver. As I approach 34, I'm now the same age my dad was when this happened, and I'm overcome by the impact something like that would have on my life today.
There are few words that can begin to describe how this experience must have been for my family, but despite the tragedy before him, my father managed to remember that he had a daughter to raise, and for this I am most thankful.
Throughout my childhood my dad made sure I was surrounded by love, yet there were countless times that I missed having a mother. As a young girl I had some dark moments where I was certain life couldn't possibly be any more unfair. With her photo tucked under my pillow, I grieved for a mom I never had the chance to know.
But in the wake of each moment of despair, my dad was there. In my eyes, he was a solid foundation of hope and inspiration, always encouraging, always moving forward, being both mom and dad. Over the years we moved through these experiences together. Through stories and pictures, he and our family taught me to know and love my mother, a gift I now hold close to my heart.
As I grew up, my dad realized the amount of energy his young daughter had and quickly enrolled me in as many sports programs as possible to give me an outlet for all that fire. He taught me to share his passions of photography, fly-fishing, scuba diving and skiing, and he committed to providing me with every opportunity available. He rarely missed a soccer game, diving meet or gymnastics competition and though we of course had our disagreements at times, they were rare, and we always managed to come up with a solution together. We were a team.
When I discovered my love for freestyle skiing, my dad quietly made it his mission to support me every step of the way. After work on Fridays, he would pick me up from gymnastics and drive us four hours to Sugarloaf, Maine, so I could train on snow. On those long rides, we discussed the constellations, school and often my dreams of becoming an Olympian.
My dad reminded me that my dreams could, and would, come true -- that obstacles were there to make us stronger and to always work hard and play hard. He taught me how to set goals and how to plan and work to achieve those goals. Today, the dreams we discussed on those long car rides have been checked off, and new goals have emerged. Though he never pointed it out directly, I knew my dad's life experiences proved that all I envisioned for my life was possible.
Looking back, the times we have shared on my Olympic journey are memories I will treasure forever, and I know that not one moment of it would have been possible without my father's love, support and constant encouragement. Through crashes and success, he has been my foundation. He has picked me up from the depths of disappointment and shared the celebration of life's most precious moments.
Now that I'm in my thirties, on occasion our roles reverse. This spring my dad spent a few weeks in my home, rehabilitating from a knee replacement. This time he was the one who needed support, and together we navigated the details of his recovery.
But, just as quickly, we switch back, because, let's face it: I'll always be his little girl. On a daily basis I call him to celebrate some random success, ask what to do about a flat tire, to help with some yard work or for his advice while steering through life's many choices.
Perhaps, it has always been this way, the ebb and flow of life. But today, what I know to be true is that our journey is far from complete, our family is still a little different, I am loved and that with hard work I can achieve anything.
Thanks for helping me achieve my dreams, Dad, and happy Father's Day.


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Ajit Dang is a Principal in the Atlanta office of Fish & Richardson. His practice emphasizes patent litigation and licensing. Before joining the firm, Mr. Dang served as an extern for Justice Cantero, III of the Florida Supreme Court.
Prior to entering the field of law, Mr. Dang gained valuable engineering experience working in software design and network engineering. He taught himself C/C++, took his first job as a web developer, and obtained Microsoft Certified Professional certifications before entering college. While studying computer science at Stetson, he worked part time during the semesters and full time during the summers as an Internal Software Developer for the school, primarily designing both administrative and public-facing PHP/MySQL web applications. Prior to and during his education at Stetson, he also worked as a Network Engineer for one of the largest IT consulting firms in Florida and was the network administrator for a successful hedge fund company.
Mr. Dang has experience litigating patents at the U.S. International Trade Commission and in federal courts across the country, including district courts in Delaware, Texas, Florida, California, and Massachusetts. His experience covers all major aspects of litigation, including pre-filing investigations, case management, summary judgment and other motion practice, claim construction, trial, and appeal. Mr. Dang's claim construction experience includes drafting claim construction briefs and supporting expert declarations, as well as arguing terms during Markman proceedings. He is also experienced in all aspects of fact and expert discovery, including taking and defending fact and expert depositions, and assisting technical experts with opening and rebuttal reports.
Mr. Dang has litigated patents covering a diverse range of technologies, including consumer and business-to-business e-commerce systems; multi-tiered web-enabled applications; 2G, 3G, and 4G systems and standards including CDMA, OFDM, HSPA, LTE/LTE-A; 802.11 and 802.15.4 wireless and mesh technologies; digital diagnostic imaging and medical software; product lifecycle management software solutions; semiconductor design and fabrication; and high-power turbocharger and axial bearing design.
His software experience includes C, C++, Java, PHP, MySQL, HTML, JavaScript, TCP/IP, and various design principles including object oriented design, multi-tier architectures, and relational database schema design. His network experience includes design, administration, troubleshooting, installation, and cabling. He also holds four Microsoft Certified Professional certifications in core Microsoft technologies.
J.D., University of Miami School of Law 2008
magna cum laude, Order of the Coif
B.S., Stetson University 2005
Computer Science
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Florida Supreme Court, The Honorable Raoul G. Cantero, 2007
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University of Miami Law Review
Parallel Networks Licensing, LLC v. Microsoft (D. Del. 2013, Robinson, J.) – Counsel to Microsoft in patent infringement suit concerning dynamic load balancing; case currently in discovery.
Certain Electronic Devices, Including Certain Wireless Communication Devices, Tablet Computers, Media Players, and Televisions, and Components Thereof (Inv. No. 337-TA-862) – representing Samsung against patent infringement claims brought by Ericsson involving patents declared essential to the 2G, 3G and 4G LTE mobile standards.
Arendi S.A.R.L. v. LG Electronics (D. Del. 2012, Stark, J.) – Counsel to LG Electronics in patent infringement suit concerning user interface features of mobile handsets; case currently stayed pending IPR.
Lexington Luminance v. Amazon (D. Mass. 2012, Casper, J.) – Counsel to Amazon in patent infringement suit concerning LED semiconductors; judgment of indefiniteness currently on appeal.
ABB v. TurboUSA and TurboNED (S.D. Fla. 2012, Moore, J.) – Counsel to ABB in patent infringement and trade secret misappropriation actions concerning turbocharger technologies; case currently on appeal.
BBC v. Intel (C.D. Cal. 2009, Wilson, J.) – Counsel to Intel in patent infringement suit concerning business automation software; case currently stayed pending reexamination of the patents-in-suit.
Kellstrom Integration Solutions v. Siemens Product Lifecycle Management Software (E.D. Tex. 2010, Love, M.J.) – Counsel to Siemens in patent infringement suit concerning product lifecycle management software. Obtained favorable settlement based on a strong invalidity defense.
Parallel Networks v. Orbitz, Priceline, and Netflix (E.D. Tex. 2007, Folsom, J.) – Counsel to Orbitz, Priceline, and Netflix in patent infringement suit concerning multi-tiered web platforms and load balancing. Successfully obtained covenant not to sue and dismissal with prejudice without any payment to plaintiff.
LG Electronics v. Petters Group Worldwide, LLC et al. (E.D. Tex. 2008, Folsom, J.) – Counsel to LG Electronics in patent infringement suit concerning flat panel televisions; settled favorably.
Document Generation Corporation v. McKesson Information Solutions LLC (E.D. Tex. 2008, Davis, J.) – Counsel for McKesson in multi-defendant patent infringement claim involving medical personnel report and notes generating systems; settled favorably.
Hospital Systems Corporation v. McKesson Information Solutions LLC, et al. (E. D. Tex. 2007, Ward, J.) – Counsel for McKesson in multi-defendant patent infringement claim involving Picture Archiving and Communication Systems (PACS); settled favorably.
DR Systems, Inc. v. McKesson Information Systems LLC (S. D. Cal. 2006, Brewster, J.) – Counsel for McKesson in multi-defendant patent infringement claim involving Picture Archiving and Communication Systems (PACS); settled favorably.
IP Co., LLC v. Cellnet Technology, Inc. et al. (N.D. Ga. 2006, Carnes, J.) – Counsel for Cellnet Technology and related parties in patent infringement, patent ownership, and breach of contract dispute relating to mesh networking technology; settled favorably.


text: I am trying to improve my hog's head cheese recipe. I normally use boiled and shredded pork butt but some of the recipes I see call for using either shoulder or picnic If I can find fresh ham/picnic with the skin and outer fat will it provide more gelatin and flavor then the butt? Any comments on using a split pork head? This is the more traditional recipe and it require less added gelatin. Are they generally available from a butcher that processes fresh pork? If I get the head split do I have to remove the brain and other neuro material, the eyes? Will the butcher provide the split head ready for the pot, not sure if that material is banned for safety reasons. Thanks, I've always used butt and it just doesn't make an excellent final product. Thanks for any guidance Al


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UN chief and Hillary Clinton commit to advancing women's empowerment
The former Secretary of State for the United States, Hillary Clinton has committed to working with the United Nations to boost women's empowerment ahead of the 2015 deadline for the Millennium Development Goals (MDGs).
Ms Clinton met the Secretary-General of the UN in New York to discuss women's equality and how to advance progress towards the MDGs.
Jocelyne Sambira reports.
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It is kind of funny about the apartment that I am living in. I knew I did want anything fancy, because an apartment complex that has too many amenities also means that it is going to hit the pocketbook hard at least once a month at rent time. I just wanted a quiet place that is nice and reasonably priced, and one that does not look like a typical apartment complex. I did a search for Alamo Heights San Antonio apartments to start looking, and I really liked what I saw in the first few pictures that I saw of The Niche.
The apartments are not what you would normally see for an apartment complex. When I continued to flip through the pictures though, I saw what I did not want, which was a swimming pool, a gym where people can work out in different ways, and other community features that would delight most people. It is not that I am against these things, because I do enjoy them. I just thought that I would not be able to afford them. I almost clicked off of the site without looking further because I just assumed it was out of my price range with how nice everything looked.
I am so glad that I did not do that though! I was intrigued because it looked like such a peaceful place, so I did look at the layouts of the apartments and also at the prices. I was really shocked when I saw how much it would cost to rent a one bedroom there. It is around the same price I would have paid at one without a lot of amenities. It is really nice being able to live somewhere and have these things without paying a really high price to be able to use them!


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Left alone in a vehicle, even for a short time, a child is in danger of dehydration, injury or abduction
During the warm spring, summer and fall months, children left alone in or around cars are at a higher risk of suffering from heat stroke. On a 70-degree day, even with car windows slightly rolled down, the temperature inside a car can exceed 120 degrees in 20 minutes and 150 degrees in 40 minutes. Infants and toddlers are most susceptible to heat-related vehicle injuries, with 82 percent of fatalities occurring among children age 3 and under, according to the U.S. Center for Disease Control.
Remember Hot Weather Poses A Danger for Your Infant and Child, Even on Mildly Warm Days
Remember, your child is your top priority and keeping him or her safe is essential. Here are some tips on how to get your tasks done while keeping your child safe.
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Netanyahu Loads Likud List With Generals for Elections
Likud Chairman Benjamin Netanyahu, who two years ago almost faced a party slate without a general after former defense minister Shaul Mofaz left him for Kadima, is now plush with ex top-brass. He has not one, but three generals in pocket.
On the eve of the election, Netanyahu will seek the public's confirmation with at least one former chief of staff, Moshe Ya'alon, who announced his decision to join Likud on Monday, and two major-generals: Yossi Peled and Uzi Dayan.
Labor used to be the generals' party of choice. But with the resignation of Ami Ayalon, former commander of the Israel Navy, the party has been left with only two ex-military men: Party Chair Ehud Barak, a former Lieutenant General and chief of staff, and his second in command, Major-General (ret.) Matan Vilnai.
Meanwhile, Ya'alon's entry into Likud puts him at an excellent position to become Netanyahu's top choice for defense minister. But Peled and Dayan are vying for the same position - which could ignite a war within Likud ahead of the primary election to determine the party's list of candidates for the 18th Knesset.
This struggle could continue long after the primary, if all three secure high enough seats to preside together in a future cabinet. In that case, they might be fighting for the defense portfolio.
Unlike the 2006 campaign, which focused on a social agenda, the 2009 election - following the failures that were revealed during the Second Lebanon War, the Iranian threat and Hamas' takeover of the Gaza Strip - will make former officers and security officials sought-after items within the political establishment.
Much like Menachem Begin before the 1977 election - which brought the Revisionist camp to power for the first time - Netanyahu put a lot of effort into recruiting recently-discharged "celebrity" generals in his successful 1996 campaign. Back then, Netanyahu reeled in Yitzhak Mordechai, who stayed in Likud until 1999, when differences of opinion with Netanyahu sent him packing to a centrist party - for which he was never forgiven by senior Likud officials.
Ariel Sharon filled the officer slot with Shaul Mofaz, who had just finished serving as chief of staff. Like Mordechai, Mofaz was considered an asset to Likud not only because of his war record, but because he was Sephardi.
Arguably, Mofaz is rendering Kadima the same sort of service now by occupying that party's space reserved for generals. But Likud has another quasi-security official up its sleeve; former police chief Assaf Hefetz.
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My HK-500TT FBL - Ideal for my sports flying
(Photos added 24 Jan 13)
I'd bought the the HK-500TT FBL some time in Oct-Nov before any reviews and got it set up in December. For me a 500 size heli made perfect sense for me:
- Smallest of the 'large' helis (stores comfortably in my apartment)
- Relatively inexpensive
- Decent clone parts such as Tarot for this size are plentiful, making them quite cheap to maintain
- I can series the 3s lipos that I use on my 450 helis to double up for use in the 500 so I can keep fewer 6s packs.
Also what appealed to me was that the heli had features that were half way towards the 500 pro model:
- Tail servo mounts on one of the carbon fibre side plates of the main chasis (but this currently means that the only spares I will be able to buy for the CF side plates and the tail push rod would have to be from Align as to date HK has not made these different parts available.
- Tapered tail blade grips
- Stronger looking pro-like tail gearbox
I'd gone on to change a few components for aesthetic reasons while keeping the flying mechanicals the same. The parts changed were:
- Canopy (to Turnigy white, red, black)
- Main blades (to white, red, black)
- Skids (to single piece white)
- Tail blades (to white)
(Note: Some modifications were made on the canopy, canopy spacers and skidsto accomodate the 'pro' edition parts)
The electric components I'd used were:
- Servos: HK-752 x 3
- Tail: S9257 clone
- FBL system: CX-3X1000
- Motor: Turnigy Typhoon 500H
- Tx-Rx: Walkera Devo12 w RX-801
Lately I'd gone back and read the poor 2-star reviews on this heli. This wasn't very encouraging but having built it up with no problems on the mechanicals so far I'd say it's suitable for simple sport flying and it's one of my favourite helis to fly. I've not flipped my heli yet, but I think it'd easily be up to the task.
I've made a simple video and put it on youtube:
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My record of the review I left on HK where I bought the kit:
As a sport flyer with just over 2 years of learning how to fly on the weekends the heli built on this HK500TT FBL kit is now my favourite 500 sized heli that I've named "MrRed500". I wrote briefly about it in a short blog on rcgroups under my username 'nese' with a short video on youtube (search "MrRed500")
Cosmetically the heli arrives the standard dowdy HK package, with the flimsy and crack-able (mine arrived cracked) canopy that HK helis of this size and larger are notorious for, hence the 4 crowns for quality. Otherwise with a bit of tape on the canopy and all the parts that came with the kit were generally usable to get it up in the air.
The parts I put aside purely for cosmetic reasons were the canopy, main and tail blades and skids, going for a white and red theme instead. With a little trimming the trex-500 pro canopy from HK (or any other canopy one likes) improves the look of this heli drastically and allows larger sized batteries to be used as well.
I've read some discussions about vibrations on this kit, but so far the vibrations on the heli are mild and insignificant to the cx-3x1000 flybarless gyro I'm using allowing it to function perfectly. Having said this, I did straighten the torque-tube which arrived slightly bent. Roll it on a glass sheet to check for straightness and all is good with the stock front and rear set of cone gears in their assemblies.
Otherwise the head and tail cnc units were very decent in cut and design (different from the square cut style of the CNC bits on the GT) and surprisingly well centered and balanced on the supplied shafts/assemblies that they came with.
Most screws and balls on the head and swash were sufficiently thread-locked so the only part I added Loctite to was the screws that go into the feathering shaft holding the main blade holders together.
The main gear/auto-rotation gear/one-way bearing assembly, although not perfect (concentric geometry of main gear in particular) was still in my opinion very good so I've had probably about a dozen flights or so using it reliably.
Main bearings on cnc mounts sat well in the frame allowing the main shaft to slide through smoothly. This speaks for the accuracy of cut on the frame in relation to the main shaft bearing mounts. One of the most attractive features of this frame is the design which allows the tail servo to be mounted on to it, following the just like the Align 500 pro frame, minus the composite reinforcement bits. Otherwise the only blemish on the frame were slight cosmetic imperfections (some patches less glossy or marked), but only noticeable when inspected closely.
Down the boom to the gearbox, Loctite was needed on all the screws as there was probably none, particularly those on holding the sides of the gearbox together. I noted that the screws holding the side plates of the tail gearbox together were probably 0.5-1mm too long and so if forced tightened would just break through the concaved faces (top and bottom) of the torque tube cone gear holder - point for improvement for HK
Overall it fulfills this sport flyer's requirement of a stable 500 sized heli and am quite confident it will survive to the day I start some mild 3D on it.
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Organizers with the group Occupy Homes say their efforts to help homeowners fight foreclosure are showing signs of success.
Occupy Homes organizer Chris Gray says the 8-month-old group has helped three homeowners in the Twin Cities successfully negotiate with mortgage lenders.
The group's staged sit-ins at foreclosed properties have led to 40 arrests, including local rapper Brother Ali outside a Minneapolis home last month.
But Gray says the long-term goal of the group is to build support networks so that homeowners can help each other.
"For homeowners, a lot of their power lies in each other and in their communities," Gray says. "And so a lot of the work that we're doing is working with homeowners to reach out to their neighborhood or reach out to organizations that support them and try to launch a real campaign of public pressure where they can have a lot of power and support backed by neighborhoods, communities, or student groups or families."
Several other local nonprofit groups offer help for struggling homeowners focused on private financial counseling.
The number of foreclosures in the Twin Cities remains well above pre-recession levels.