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I am new to International flights. I have a cruise in October that starts in Venice, Italy. I have a great deal on a hotel there too. My TA will not book a flight without book hotel through cruise line. I fly UA and have FF miles. I read a post for finding flights using FF. But I seem to be doing something wrong. I login and have expert checked. But when I place flight for business it come up with price same as no FF. Could someone help me with this? Or at least tell how to find economy plus. I am 60 and a long flight such as this my feet tend to swell. Or at least they do when going from SFO to Washington DC or New York. I am thinking how to avoid this on an over 10 hour flight.
Also, am I searching to early for October? Does it matter if you fly on weekday versus weekend?
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I am new to International flights. I have a cruise in October that starts in Venice, Italy. I have a great deal on a hotel there too. My TA will not book a flight without book hotel through cruise line. I fly UA and have FF miles. I read a post for finding flights using FF. But I seem to be doing something wrong. I login and have expert checked. But when I place flight for business it come up with price same as no FF. Could someone help me with this? Or at least tell how to find economy plus. I am 60 and a long flight such as this my feet tend to swell. Or at least they do when going from SFO to Washington DC or New York. I am thinking how to avoid this on an over 10 hour flight.
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United doesn't fly to Venice, so you can't search for FF flights to Venice on the United website. You'll have to call--which is better for Europe anyway, as they can check availability for United's partners (and there are many Star Alliance options for Europe). It is possible to search for award availability on many Star Alliance carriers using the ANA (All Nippon) site, but there's no guarantee those award seats are available to Mileage Plus members.
Economy Plus isn't a separate fare class. To sit in Economy Plus, you would need to get an economy award ticket that includes travel to a European gateway served by United such as Frankfurt, Munich, London, Rome or Zurich (make sure the transatlantic flights are operated by United), and then a shorter flight to Venice on one of the partners. Then, you'll need to pay the supplement for Economy Plus, unless you are already eligible for it through United elite status or annual subscription.
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There are many different routes that you might be able to take from SFO to Venice using United FF miles. However, you should also be aware that those seats, especially in Business class, can be very difficult to obtain.
If you use United miles, then United must issue the ticket, even if the flights are on other airlines. The best way for you to find if flights are available is to call United and ask.
If you really have a lot of FF miles and regular award seats are not available, then you can use the miles to get a 'standard' award from SFO to Frankfurt on United. The standard award lets you fly on any United-operated flight, as long as any business class seats are available -- it costs 210,000 miles round-trip (US to Europe). You could then get a separate ticket from Frankfurt to Venice -- these tickets are relatively very inexpensive.
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Ok Pac12,
I hope your search is going well. For United miles on Star Alliance, I am showing that it will cost 105K miles for a Saver business class ticket. If you are searching as an expert, this will need to be booked in XC class, which is of course very limited. I suggest that for 30K more miles, you check into booking a Saver first class award, which would need to be booked in XF class. XF class seems to be more available than XC class. (This would still be a lot cheaper than a standard business class award which costs 210K miles.)
I would check to see where there is availability before calling UA to book anything. I don't know your travel dates and origin city, although I believe it may be SFO based on your travels to NYC and IAD from SFO. I found 2 XF seats on UA930 09OCT09 SFO-LHR and 2 XF seats on UA931 20OCT09 LHR-SFO. With this information, I would call UA and have them secure those seats for you while you discuss connection options to get to Venice. British Midland has a nonstop from LHR to VCE, but I believe it is only a one class aircraft. Perhaps you could connect again on Lufthansa via MUC or FRA (in business class) or via Zurich on Swiss. (Or another Star Alliance airlines hub.) The number of connections isn't limited by the award. (Although each additional flight increases the chance of misconnecting.)
You also didn't mention how many people would be traveling. My example above found 2 reservations in XF class. On the same travel dates I found 1 seat available on UA926 SFO-FRA and UA927 FRA-SFO. Again, you would have to call United to secure these seats and check availability on the connecting flights.
My partner and I did this in 2007 on our trip to Italy and went SFO-LHR-MUC-NAP and returned FCO-MUC-LHR-ORD-NAP. (Yes, it was also an open jaw trip.) The return flights made for an extremely long day, but thankfully we made all of our connections. We also had carry on baggage the entire time.
Regarding swelling of your feet, I have the same problem with my feet on long flights. It seems to increase when I have alcohol or salty food on the flight. I suggest drinking lots of water and doing the hokey exercises that are published in the inflight magazine to reduce this problem. Also, wear comfortable shoes that you can still get on your feet when you arrive.
Good luck!!!!
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Oops. Our return flights were FCO-MUC-LHR-ORD-SFO (not NAP!)
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I would have to say that the UAL web site is not that friendly.
Try going to Star Alliance, which is a group of airlines that United is partners with.
Once you are there, put your cursor over the Tools & Services header. You will see below several choices. Click on Downloadable Timetables. This should give you all the information on how to fly to Venice from United and its partners.
One caveat: your cruise is going to end in another city. This means that you will probably want to leave from that city at the end of the cruise.
You can do that without extra charge. This type of flight is called an open jaw flight.
My mother, at age 82, recently cruised from Venice to Barcelona. Her ticket was to Venice and back out from Barcelona. You can do this with any city that flies Star Alliance.
Once you figure out which cities you want to go to / from; call United and they will help you. Most U.S. Airlines won't let you book an international flight online. Also remember that the international help desk does help on the same things many times a day.
I cannot do much for your feet swelling, but I can tell you the difference between Economy and Economy Plus. The width of the seat stays the same. However, there is usually about 3" more between rows. Very helpful if you are a medium to large person.
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Wow, you guys are the best! Thank you all so much for wonderful responses.
I am looking at Oct 4 leave from SFO and arrive on 5. Hotel for Oct. 5 and 6. I wanted to rest and at least see some of Venice before I board. But that is a Sunday and I got a thought that maybe Oct 2, Friday would be better for flights. Read somewhere weekdays were better.
The cruise starts in Venice (transatlantic) and stops in Florida. The flight from Florida is easiest so many flights. The second short flight from any of Europe's hubs does not look to be a problem.
I been working on the flight from SFO to a European hub for a few weeks and going around in circles.
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You do not want to use FF miles for this trip, because UA and most airlines will not charge you half the miles for a one-way trip to Europe. You'll be paying as many miles as someone's flying roundtrip there.
You should look into buying a one-way ticket. Not all airlines offer cheap discounts, so you really should look into the options given by the cruise line.
One airline that does is Aer Lingus. They don't fly from SFO, but right now you can book JFK-DUB (Dublin) for US$268.46 all-in, for 10/4. Aer Lingus DUB-VCE, have to booked separately, is 69.7€ or $90.
SFO-JFK may be booked on Jetblue or Virgin America. Right now, both are only offering flights till September, but their it shouldn't be more than $220.
I'm not saying this is the best way, but it is possible to book a one-way SFO-VCE for under $600. That's probably better use of your 50,000 miles than spending it on a one-way trip to Europe.
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If, however, you do wish to use your miles, as you don't want to pay the $$$$ and probably don't accumulate a lot of miles; then you can book an open jaw through Star Alliance.
Outbound - Lufthansa or Swiss to Venice.
Inbound - Miami to SFO.
For some of us FF travelers, we tend to forget that, for a lot of people, this is an almost once in a lifetime trip.
You do have some time, so look around. and check it out. However, the sooner a decision is made, the better the chance of finding the flight you want, and it gets one more worry behind you.
Remember, the UAL help desk is called what it is because they are to help you. If you have to call them several times, so be it.
Try the instructions I gave you above, for downloading the Star Alliance timetable, and play around with it.
Let us know what you decided and how it went. Feedback is always great!
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I flew Aer Lingus in October nonstop from SFO to Dublin. I think they operate this flight 6 times a week. You are correct that they offer one way fares too. I believe they partnered with United starting last November but I don't know if all fares qualify for mileage or upgrades though.
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Oh yeah, I didn't notice that. It's even better then. $392.46 for non-stop SFO-DUB on 10/4. Add the $90 flight to VCE, it's under $500 for the one-way ticket with just one connection.
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it looks like Aer Lingus has published their schedule at 4 times per week for October. Unfortunately for Pac12, they don't have Premium Economy or Economy Plus.
If you wanted to go Aer Lingus to get to Europe, you could buy a one way fare as rkkwan suggested. I would additionally suggest that you select a seat based on reviews at www.seatguru.com
If you wanted to get to Europe confirmed in (at least) Premium Economy, I suggest you check out Air New Zealand from LAX. (Yes you read that right.) Their AKL-LAX flight continues on to LHR. I checked the price of Premium Economy LAX-LHR for 04OCT and came up with a price of $1321 and you can accrue miles on UA since they are a partner. If you wanted to be ticketed LAX-LHR-VCE then it would cost $1567. (I believe Premium Economy would only be on the Air New Zealand flight though. The other flight would be on British Midland as a code share.) You may wish to be ticketed thru on Air New Zealand so they can rebook you easier if your inbound flight is late.
You would have to get from SFO-LAX though, although there are plenty of options for that.
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Having done this several times.
First be sure you are on a LH flight (United partner star A)but book with united, just be sure its a LH flight not united as service, room etc far better on LH. Usually from SFO they go to Frankfurt allow at least 2 hours between flights unless you want to be on the run. As you come in in one terminal and by the time you go back through passport control, security etc. and over to other terminal up and down flights of stairs you need that time. I have done it in about 45 min but its a hassle!. Flight to Venice is quick and easy, as is picking up bags etc.
Munich is somewhat better if you can get LH Munich go for that.
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I will say this again you guys are the Best. As I said before my TA for the cruise will not help with just a flight. She said I have to have flight, hotel and transfer together before the cruise line will help. So I am on my own. I got hotel through Starwood, Westin Europe & Regina, Venice for $150 a night. I know she can not even come close to this for me.
I had looked at Aer Lingus for SFO to DUB. But there is a layover landing at 9am to 4:30pm. A lot of time to sit around I did not care to do. One friend suggest to look at flights from Canada. Than another suggest I look at from JFK, Dullus, or Atlanta. Than I tried others and started to get confused. This is why I decided to post to get help.
Thanks mister fuss, I had not thought of Air New Zealand. Sunday I did more reading about them. Monday I went to see the Amgen Tour as they were going through my town. Yesterday this web site was down. I like their Premium Economy.
Would it be wise to try and use any of my 100k miles to upgrade from Economy to Premium Economy? If so, do I call United mileage desk or international desk? I seen a variation on Star Alliance download (thank for this web site). The flight starts at SFO (United) goes to LAX (Air New Zealand) to LHR. I don't care about upgrades on short flights of 1-3 hours, just the long flights.
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Now it's time to figure out which water bus (vaporetto) to take. You will need to know the vaporetto stop your hotel is on.
Start with this.
I usually take the quickest way to the hotel. After I dump my bags, I will then take the slowest boat through the Grand Canal. Try sitting up front on one of the seats on the bow. By far and away the best view.
You can take a shuttle bus from the airport that lets you out, I believe at the Piazzale Roma. This where the major vaporetto routes stop. Either study the map there or look for a map ahead of time.
If you're only staying one or two nights, I would suggest buying the 24 hour pass, for unlimited vaporetto use.
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Would it be wise to try and use any of my 100k miles to upgrade from Economy to Premium Economy? If so, do I call United mileage desk or international desk?
You can't use United miles to upgrade on Air New Zealand. You can only use them to upgrade on United-operated flights, and only from coach to business or business to first. More importantly, you cannot, as far as I can tell, use miles to redeem for a ticket in Air New Zealand's premium economy section.
If you want to get into a premium economy (or economy plus) product, you only have a few options:
1) Pay for a genuine premium economy product. On most airlines, you get not just more legroom, but also a wider seat, amenities like a footrest, and upgraded meals. You have a few options for this type of product, including both Virgin Atlantic and British Airways from San Francisco to London. Or you could take the Air New Zealand routing through LAX. Or connect through Chicago and take BMI or SAS.
2) Pay for access to United's economy plus section. This is not a true premium economy seat, but rather just gives you 3 to 5 extra inches of legroom. No other amenities beyond that. This costs you $349, allows you to sit in economy plus on all United flights for the full year, and covers both yourself and a companion.
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Hi again Pac12,
I just looked at the Air New Zealand site again and looked at the slide show for the premium economy and it looks impressive. The unfortunate thing I just noticed is that the BMI flight from LHR to VCE departs at about the same time the Air New Zealand flight arrives. Perhaps if you did the NZ flight option you could spend the night in London, or fly into Milan instead. (Or take another connecting flight.) I show an airfare of $69 LHR-MXP booked on Lufthansa.com.
Unfortunately United and Lufthansa don't appear to offer one-way pricing but, if you wanted just the extra legroom, you could buy a round trip ticket SFO-FRA-VCE on Lufthansa for about $1365 and add the Economy Plus Access for the $349 and get the extra legroom. (You would perhaps no-show on the return segment.) This option keeps you on the same airline passenger name record (PNR) in case of delays.
Let us know how the planning is going.
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FWIW, we never, I do mean never, use the cruise line to book flights and hotels. First is, with flights you never know what very inconvenient departure/arrival times AND multiple stops they are going to stick you with. Second is, the hotels they use cost you 4 times the rate of any other similar hotel. Now, true, the boat will wait for you if you are on the cruise airline and arriving late. But we always go in a day, probably two, early for sightseeing anyway. (And for jetlag recovery).
Is your TA with the cruise line itself? If so, then I understand their position on flights. But if your TA is a travel agency TA, then it is time for a change.
regards - tom
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I agree fully about NOT booking flights or hotels through the cruise line. And actually, there is no guarantee that the ship will wait for you if your flight is late. They may make sure you catch up to the ship at a later port, but the ship doesn't have a whole lot of flexibility on departure time.
We also always fly in at least one day early.
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I can not Thank You enough. You guys are right about cruise flights or hotels. The price is at least double or more. My friend book flight with cruise through TA and paid $600 versus mine $350. So with that being said I opt for help on this first time to Europe. I took misterfuss advice and research Air New Zerland Premium Economy. I booked their flight. Staying overnight at hotel by airport and BMI next day to Venice, $1434 for both. Hotel is little less then $100 american. TA wanted between $1000 to $2000 for 3 star hotel at Venice for 2 nights. I opted for Starwood points and cash 5 star for 2 nights at $330 total. I know I give up points but this is the trip I saved them for using. Gee, thanks again to you guys really help me a lot. P.S. I pass this infor to another traveler (TA quoted them $7000 for two for business) but TA would not rebook their cruise at the sale price.
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Sounds like you have a plan its wonderful to leave from Venice as the ships sail past San Marco and you get a really great view from on high as you head out to sea. Enjoy!
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BRIGHTON — Washington County Sheriff Jerry Dunbar confirmed Wednesday charges have been filed against a 13-year-old Brighton boy for a shed fire Sunday and for allegedly attempting to intimidate a witness.
Charges were filed Tuesday afternoon on Aaron Lucas Williams, 13, of Brighton for criminal mischief, second-degree arson, reckless use of fire or explosives, explosive or incendiary materials or devices, and witness tampering.
Williams was arrested Tuesday morning in Fairfield at the Young House, part of the Fairfield Community School District. Fairfield Police Capt. David Thomas said the Washington County Sheriff's Department asked Fairfield police to detain Williams while a Washington County deputy came to get him and make the formal arrest.
Dunbar said Williams is accused of starting a shed fire Sunday afternoon in the 300 block of North Jefferson Street in Brighton. Brighton Fire Department responded. The fire was extinguished. Dunbar said Williams allegedly used a "homemade bomb" to ignite the building. He also said the sheriff's department believes the fire was a "retaliatory act."
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Smith earns a few points for introspective, painful honesty—admitting he was too scared to mention his 1993 assault citation on his own, even though he thought about it doing so a few different times. At one point, he said, he considered revealing it during a speech to domestic violence agency Raphael House. And then again during his University of Oregon commencement address. He's clearly aware that the reticence and fear may have doomed his chances of beating Charlie Hales.
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West Lafayette, Ind. - It took him a couple games to get going, but Montee Ball got back to his old self in Wisconsin's 38-14 win over Purdue Saturday in West Lafayette, Ind. Behind a re-invigorated offensive line, Ball pounded Purdue's defense for 251 yards and three touchdowns on the day, including a 67-yard touchdown run at the start of the second half.
Purdue was a popular upset pick this week, and those predictions looked like they might come true as soon as the game started. The Badgers allowed a 44-yard kickoff return to Akeem Hunt to start the game, and on the next play Purdue quarterback Caleb TerBush hit wide receiver Antavian Edison for a 52-yard completion to Wisconsin's one-yard line.
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With the rain pouring down on the homecoming crowd at Ross-Ade Stadium, the Badgers stuck to their ground game early and often in the first half. Ball rushed 13 times for 126 yards and a touchdown in the first half, finally displaying some of the elusiveness and power that helped him become a Heisman Trophy finalist last season.
Fellow running back James White was effective right off the bat as well. White rushed eight times for 56 yards, and helped the Badgers establish the run with a pair of first down runs in the first quarter. But Ball was the biggest story of the day, and his performance came none too soon for a team that needed him to get back to his old self.
"I needed this," Ball said after the game. I wasn't doing too well earlier on in the season, and things weren't really going my way. I'm just playing for my teammates now. I'm becoming the player they were looking for."
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Both teams stalled on their next few drives, but the Badgers were able to put the Boilermakers away when Ball scored his third touchdown of the game early on in the fourth quarter to put the Badgers up 31-7. White then added a score of his own following a blocked Purdue punt by defensive tackle Beau Allen, which game the Badgers a 38-7 lead. The Boilermakers would score again near the end of the fourth quarter, but it was too little, too late for a team that was looking for something more in Big Ten play this year.
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It is thought that this token is advertising an anti-syphilis treatment made by Maison Laffecteur in Paris, France. The treatments could also be used for other STIs, known then as venereal diseases. Unlike other treatments, this ointment was not mercury based – and therefore toxic – but made from vegetables! The treatment is very unlikely to have worked.
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A mini-pipeline -- this Components functions as a complete self-contained pipeline.
The simplest implementation is the Resource Reader, which simply reads a file from disk and streams it back to the user#1.
<map:readers default="resource"> <map:reader name="resource" src="org.apache.cocoon.reading.ResourceReader"/> </map:readers>
<map:match pattern="sites/images/*.gif"> <map:read src="resources/images/{1}.gif" mime-type="image/gif"/> </map:match>
Note that the map:read element requires a mime-type attribute that indicates the mime-type of the file being served#2.
See also ServingStaticFiles
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ResourceReader -- simply reads files from disk and streams them back in the HTTP response.
JSPReader -- Takes information from a JSP page?
DatabaseReader -- reads a resource from a database (i.e. a BLOB). Is configured with the connection parameter, table and column name
ImageReader -- Is able to resize image files on-the-fly
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Note that ResourceReader actually uses Sources. So it's by far not restricted to files. The SourceResolver will automatically choose which Source to use in order to aquire the data by looking at the contents of the src attribute. AFAIK there are Sources for reading from the file system, from the CLASSPATH, from ftp and from http plus it's easy to add your own.
Note that at least for Cocoon 2.1 the mime-type can also be determined by the Source, if it is able to provide it. The mime-type attribute can be used to override this. Otherwise the mapping from extensions to mime-types of your servlet container (Tomcat: web.xml) will be used.


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These are dark days for David Cameron and his government. Today's newspapers, in company with TV and radio news bulletins, are dominated by disputes within his party over same-sex marriage and the European Union.
In addition, the claims about one of the prime minister's aides having referred to party activists as "swivel-eyed loons" is the subject of several leading articles and surely adds to the air of gloom in Downing Street.
Every national daily carries reports on the determination of a significant proportion of Tory MPs to wreck Cameron's plans to legalise gay marriage.
Three splash on the issue: "Tory rebels set to inflict new defeat on Cameron" (The Times); "Meltdown on gay marriage" (Daily Mail); and "No 10 pleads with Labour to save gay marriage bill" (The Guardian).
The Daily Telegraph chooses the "loons" affair: "Tories begin defecting to Ukip over 'loons' slur" but also gives front page space to a piece on the other drama, "Tory rebels back 'wrecking' plan for gay marriage bill".
The Sun's page two draws all three issues together under the headline "Loony doom: Mad row, Europe and gay marriage 'destroying' Tories". Its political commentator, Trevor Kavanagh, tries to see it in positive terms for Cameron, as long as he follows an anti-EU policy.
The Independent splashes on Europe, "British business: We need to stay in the EU - or risk losing up to £92bn a year", after being the recipient of a letter from "some of Britain's most successful and eminent business leaders."
The signatories include Richard Branson, Martin Sorrell, BT chairman Michael Rake, Lloyds bank chairman Win Bischoff, and UBM chair Helen Alexander.
The triple drama is too good an opportunity for the Daily Mirror to resist. It devotes a spread, headlined (somewhat optimistically from a Labour point of view) "Cam's last stand".
But Cameron will be much more concerned by the leading articles and op-ed articles in the papers that traditionally back his party.
In spite of the Conservative co-chairman, Lord Feldman, having denied telling two journalists that Tory constituency activists are "mad, swivel-eyed loons", the Mail believes the "casual insult… chimes exactly with how members of Downing Street's inner circle tend to describe those who deviate from the official party line."
It says: "This contemptuous attitude has created division and distrust at the very moment the party should be pulling together to win the next election."
Referring also to Lord Howe's "warning" that Cameron risks losing control of his party, it reminds the prime minister that his activists will be doing the donkey work at election time rather than "the chums he has surrounded himself with at Number Ten."
The Times pursues a similar theme in its editorial, "Time To Swivel", in which it argues that "Cameron is in danger of alienating not only his enemies but also his friends."
Whether or not Feldman did or did not describe party members as "mad, swivel-eyed loons", the paper detects that it "is indicative of more than a split between the core of a political party and its fringes. Rather, it highlights an attitude at the heart of government, and one that is neither pleasant nor wise."
It continues by talking of the elephant in the Tory's party's headquarters:
"Mr Cameron and his inner circle may well be right to believe that an election cannot be won by dogged adherence to the views of the Conservative base. But they are quite wrong to regard those views, and those who hold them, with such thinly disguised disdain.
This latest critique of grassroots Conservatives is strikingly redolent of Mr Cameron's own dismissal in 2006 of Ukip supporters as 'fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists'.
Indeed, there are a great many similarities between many Conservative activists and the party of Nigel Farage. Predominantly, both groups are older than Mr Cameron, less affluent than Mr Cameron, and likely to lead less metropolitan lives.
They are likely to worry about equal marriage, likely to be hostile towards the European Union, and likely to be sceptical about climate change. As these comments show, contempt for the views of such people morphs all too easily into contempt for the people themselves and for their circumstances."
The Times, reminding readers that it too supports "equal marriage", "understands that a Conservative party that takes dramatic steps in the direction of Ukip or even Conservative activism is one that will not win an election again." But it concludes:
"Mr Cameron and his close advisers must recognise that it is not mad or 'swivel-eyed' to take a different view, and that there is a decent, hard-working, less metropolitan sort of Conservatism that is worthy of their respect. When inclusivity begins to exclude, something is badly awry."
A variation of that viewpoint is explored in historical terms in the Telegraph by Tim Bale, a professor of politics at London's Queen Mary university, in a piece headlined "Swivel-eyed, or seeing clearly?"
He thinks "many activists are clearly livid with a leadership they believe is riding roughshod over everything they hold dear" while "the high command… is increasingly exasperated with its own supporters."
Bale believes angry Tories are prepared to do "irreparable harm" to Mr Cameron's "slim" electoral chances and may well accept the "loons" label as "a badge of honour".
Though uncertain that most Tory activists fit the stereotype of being "hidebound specimens" who are against the EU, overseas aid, wind farms and gay marriage, he contends that while "public attitudes have become noticeably more permissive over time, those of ordinary Tory members have not changed quite as quickly as everyone else's."
There is now, he writes, "a profound mismatch between the Conservative party as an institution and the lives of its 21st-century membership."
At its foundation, its membership "was rooted in deference, and dependent on people prepared to do the donkey work without demanding any serious say on policy." Her continues:
"All this… has now changed utterly… the party's membership, particularly that of its activists, has been reduced to its essence – boiled down, if you like, to people with motivation over and above the norm...
To attend party conference nowadays is to see this split manifest. A few members of the silent majority still gamely turn up, but many more who might have gone before are absent – priced out of the event by the lobbyists and wannabes, or else convinced that it's all got a bit too serious for the likes of them.
Today's Tory members have also been influenced by the very consumerist ideology that their party did so much to champion. Activists want MPs – and ministers – who allow them to express their choices and get what they want immediately, in exactly the same way as they can every day in the market."
In The Daily Express, Chris Roycroft-Davis, asks: "Why has Cameron turned against his own supporters?"
He also considers the division between the party leadership and core voters. Or, to put in his pejorative terms, "a socially elite clique of public schoolboys and Oxford graduates" as distinct from a party of "once-loyal supporters" who are "ordinary people like you and I."
He can understand why they (he?) are now prepared to give their votes to - Ukip, "the Eighties Conservative party reincarnated."
The Express's "ordinary people" are different, however, from those who inhabit what The Independent calls "the real world" where, according to its editorial, "the majority of voters support same-sex marriage."
Moreover, despite what Eurosceptics may say about Britain being better off outside the EU, the paper believes the letter sent to it by business leaders suggests otherwise.
Despite approaching matters from a different political perspective, the Indy appears to agree with the Telegraph's Bale and the Express's Roycroft-Davis by concluding:
"Not only is the Conservative Party splitting itself in two – it is leaving the electorate far behind."
And Steve Richards, writing (unusually) in The Guardian, appears to agree with them too.
"Tory activists," he writes, "have been subjected to a clunky, unsubtle 'modernisation' project in which social liberalism, while sincerely espoused, has been added on to the right-wing programme partly in an attempt to secure broader appeal." He continues:
"There has been little deep thinking from Cameron about what a modern Conservative party might be like, but rather a shallow effort to retain most of the thinking on Europe and the state that lost the Conservatives three successive elections, with the addition of support for gay marriage.
The result is an unsatisfying, insubstantial clash between unreformed dwindling local parties and a leadership that acquired the top positions far too early in their careers with only half-formed ideas about what they wanted to change in relation to their party and the country."
Political crises come and go, of course, and with them go the memories of the articles by political journalists and leader writers who so often suggest that each crisis betrays a deep division of some sort or other.
This time around, I tend to think they are on the ball. Even though the Daily Mirror's Kevin Maguire could be accused of over-stating his case by writing that "the prime minister stinks of defeat", his six-word summing up of the longer articles I've mentioned above does have the ring of truth.
How Cameron must pray for the Argentinians to invade the Falklands once more. It saved Margaret Thatcher from likely electoral defeat. Then again, would he act as Thatcher did? Discuss.


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The Aaron Alexis known to friends and neighbors was by many accounts a personable guy, occasionally intense, but rarely angry. The Aaron Alexis as viewed through an official paper trail that followed him for nearly a decade showed a worrying pattern of paranoia and violence.
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The Boat Inn, Whitney-On-Wye is Dreadful. Don't go there. The service was offhand to the point of rudeness and we were treated with supercilious disdain throughout. On arrival - on time - we were told our table was still being laid, then left to kick our heels at the unattended bar whilst that happened.
We declined a starter but were kept waiting 50 minutes for our main course - unacceptable in a busy restaurant but doubly so in one where only two or three other tables were occupied. An polite enquiry as to how much longer we would have to wait was met with disinterest. We had ordered salmon steaks; one with chive sauce and the other with parsley sauce; when they arrived and we asked which was which they retorted, "I've no idea, I'm not the chef - you'll just have to try them". A subsequent request for a glass of wine was 'forgotten' by the same person, who was, she said, too busy "multi-tasking", and clearly felt no need to apologise. There was no hot water or functioning hand dryer in the men's toilets. As a final insult we were presented with a completely inaccurate bill, which included the orders from the table next to us! This took them almost 15 minutes to sort out, and again no apology of any kind was offered. We were left with the definite impression that our booking a meal there was nothing but an inconvenience to the staff, but they may rest assured that they will never be troubled by our custom again.


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Communities in inland North Queensland are waiting eagerly for the outcome of a water allocation increase that is hoped to improve irrigation in the area.
Tenders recently closed in a State Government process that would release an additional 250,000 megalitres from the Flinders River, allowing development of irrigated agriculture.
The hope is that new irrigation projects will result in an increase in jobs and economic development.
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Lord Mayor Graham Quirk has flagged a new high frequency subway system for the city under his March 19 election commitments.
The $1.54 billion proposal will link Woolloongabba to Herston and would see a rubber-tyred metro service operate on altered sections of the south-east and inner northern busways, the first of its kind in Australia.
Billed as a solution to inner city bus congestion, the "Brisbane Metro" is estimated to almost halve current peak hour commute times.
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With yesterday being World Leprosy Day health advocates and Australian survivors were fighting to dispel myths surrounding the disease.
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Wherever one turned in the pool during the Section III girls swimming championship meets at Nottingham High School, there was a competitor from Christian Brothers Academy doing something great.
Without question, the Brothers took complete ownership of the sectional meet, distancing itself from Fayetteville-Manlius and the rest of the pack in the team standings and qualifying 11 swimmers for the Nov. 20-21 state meet at Webster Schroeder High School near Rochester.
First, CBA claimed the Class A team crown on Thursday night, with 507 points to F-M's total of 268 points. It included wins in both the 200 freestyle (1:42.17) and 400 freestyle (3:46.67) relays and a sweep of the top three positions in the 200 freestyle by Maggie Fletcher, Ruthie Speidel and Destiny Cerlanek.
As if that wasn't enough, CBA went first (Summer Schmitt), third (Zoe McCauley) and fourth (Cerlanek) in the 100 butterfly, while Kathryn Coughlin (1:08.07) and Michelle Damico (1:09.42) go 1-2 in the 100 breaststroke.
That set the table for Saturday's overall sectional final, where the Brothers and Hornets both put up some fine performances.
To start it, Schmitt, Coughlin, Cerlanek and Aubrey Letourneau sped to a time of 1:51.24 in the 200 medley relay. F-M also qualified for the state meet as Hadley Cameron-Carter, Melissa James, Alex Murphy and Delaney Pfohl took second place in 1:53.57.
Then Fletcher and Speidel went 1-2 in the 200 freestyle, Fletcher prevailing in 1:59.48, just ahead of Speidel (2:00.15) as McCauley (2:01.52) claimed fourth place and Cerlanek took fifth. Coughlin was second in the 200 individual medley (2:17.84) as F-M teammates James and Pfohl were third and fourth, respectively.
CBA's Juliette Wetzel was second in the 50 freestyle in 25.32 seconds, and Emily Wanamaker took the same spot in diving with 416.65 points, also qualifying for the state meet. Then it was another 1-2 finish, Schmitt winning the 100 butterfly in 59.89 seconds and McCauley getting second place in 1:02.16.
Cameron-Carter saw all this and finally gave F-M partisans a victory in a tense 100 backstroke. At the wall, Cameron-Carter posted 1:00.51, just 0.01 seconds better than New Hartford's Abigail Max (1:00.52), this after she had placed third in the 100 freestyle in 54.56 seconds.
And the winning continued for CBA, too. Speidel needed 5:15.73 to pull away from the field in the 500 freestyle, and Coughlin (1:07.43) won the 100 breaststroke over James (1:09.37), with Damico in third place.
CBA would sweep all the relays, too. In the 200 freestyle relay, Wetzel, Letourneau, Coughlin and Fletcher improved to 1:41.56, and in the 400 freestyle relay Schmitt, Speidel, Wetzel and Fletcher won again in 3:41.04, more than five seconds better than the Class A meet.
Amid all this, Jamesville-DeWitt finished second in the Class B team event behind New Hartford. Molly Hair was second in the 200 IM (2:23.03) and Katie Coyne third (2:23.34), with Coyne also second in the 100 butterfly (1:02.97) and Hair third in the 100 breaststroke (1:13.65).
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Finally, Manlius-Pebble Hill contended in Class C, as Lisie Andersson won the 500 freestyle in a time of 5:36.83 after a fifth in the 100 freestyle. Carley Bright was second in the 200 freestyle in 2:12.19 and fourth in the 100 backstroke.
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The civil rights comparison with gay marriage deserves scrutiny
atl134 Salt Lake City, UTAug. 20, 2013 3:47 p.m.
"the guy that was re-elected President [but who has since abandoned his moral stance]"
He supported it long before running for president, he just buried the view (in the closet I suppose) because it wasn't popular enough at the time for him to openly take that view politically. That's why his "evolving" explanations never made any sense.
gmlewis Houston, TXAug. 20, 2013 12:32 p.m.
A previous poat included the following:
"It denies them the 1,138 Federal "effects that flow from marriage". This causes actual, real harm to not only the couple but to their children as well."
I imagine that only a few of these effects would have been at the Federal level if DOMA had not been put into law. I don't support DOMA because it is an abuse of Federal power; marriage should regulated at the State level.
Without DOMA, the main Federal effects would have been in the Federal Income Tax and Social Security tax laws. Theis labyrithian collection of contradictions favor groups based on their political clout. For example, they favor Environmental purchases, simply because that fits the "flavor of the month" club. Without DOMA, the same sex marriage group could petition changes in their behalf that could be added to the tax law with little fan fare.
Were it not for the ACA, insurance equality would have been controlled by state law, like it should be. Outside of Federal Inheritance Tax laws, inheritance issues likewise are controlled at the state level.
By and large, the Federal government should get out of the marriage business altogether.
Kalindra Salt Lake City, UtahAug. 20, 2013 10:58 a.m.
@ Tekaka: The birth-rate in the Netherlands was declining before same-sex marriage was allowed.
The failure of same-sex marriage to stop an existing trend proves nothing about marriage or families.
Contrarius mid-state, TNAug. 20, 2013 10:56 a.m.
@Tekakaromatagi --
"When the Netherlands allowed gay marriage, the number of first born children being born to wedded mothers dropper from 40 to 25% in the following ten years."
Here's the facts, in contrast to the fiction:
1. unwed mothers in the Netherlands have actually been increasing on a smooth parabolic curve since the 1970s -- looooong before registered partnerships. There's a graph of this trend at the procon webiste, if you want to look it up.
2. the change in unwed mothers before and after partnerships was actually **the same** in other European countries that did **not** at that time have partnerships.
3. Scandinavian countries that have partnerships already had **higher** rates of unmarried cohabitation than other European countries **before** the partnership laws.
4. heterosexual marriage rates actually **increased** after partnerships in those Scandinavian countries. As of 2004 (the date of the original article that contains Tekaka's claim), Denmark had its highest marriage rate since the 1970s. Other Scandinavian countries with partnerships also had higher marriages rates than before the partnership laws.
Stop gobbling up all the baloney that people like Kurtz (the author) keep shoveling out. Try thinking for yourself once in a while.
Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi ArabiaAug. 20, 2013 8:50 a.m.
When the Netherlands allowed gay marriage, the number of first born children being born to wedded mothers dropper from 40 to 25% in the following ten years. Correlation does not prove cause but it shows that diluting the importance of marriage by trying to define it in ways that it is not, does not help and may be hurting.
Hossman Orem, UTAug. 19, 2013 9:21 p.m.
You're going to be on the wrong side of history and I think you know it. The winds of change are blowing and blowing strong when it comes to treatment of homosexuals. I dream of a world where heterosexuals and homosexuals alike are treated with love and kindness in schools and communities. You may say that you "love" them but in the end what you think they're doing is wrong, and so wrong that they shouldn't be allowed to raise children. All this rhetoric does is reinforce groups who want to marginalize and discriminate against homosexuals. In 50 years, your children's children will look back on you with shame.
OldDaveJersey Trenton, NJAug. 19, 2013 6:28 p.m.
@procuradorfiscal -- The only fact that you have presented is that you were able to find two people who agree with your point of view. That's really not much of an argument. (Note that, contrary to an earlier statement of yours, the President Obama has never said it was about the children; he has always supported equal rights for same-gender couples but was, until recently, under the misguided impression it could be achieved through things like civil unions.) Your fact is not an argument.
There has been a number of substantive arguments made in support of same-gender marriage here. Your only response appears to be to label it all as sophistry. That also is not an argument.
The ball is now in your court. Please say something substantive and valid in response to any of the points others have made here in support of same-gender civil marriage.
procuradorfiscal Tooele, UTAug. 19, 2013 6:06 p.m.
Re: "Tell us the facts."
The President, the LGBT activist, and the gay person raised by a gay couple -- all cited in the article -- gave us the facts.
But, some people don't like facts. It hurts their argument. So they engage in the usual liberal sophistry, the usual liberal argumentum ad hominem, in vain attempts to hide or camouflage the facts.
Real, traditional marriage supporters are not the ones attempting to revolutionize that estate. As much as liberals would love to turn the process on its head, the burden of persuasion is on them and their activist handlers, to prove their brave new world is somehow better than Mother Natures'.
Theirs' is the burden of proving we should overturn and replace a regime that's been in effect, and, time and time again, has demonstrated its efficacy, over the last several hundred thousand years, at least.
Theirs' is the burden of proving their brave-new-world proposals will not turn ours into a brave new world.
Good luck with that.
Lagomorph Salt Lake City, UTAug. 19, 2013 5:54 p.m.
procuradorfiscal: "[G]ay-marriage proponents... have turned out to disparage, as usual, not the concepts or arguments of the article, but rather, as usual, the character, intelligence, and morality of the writer..."
Examples, please.
In reviewing the comments prior to yours, I see little disparagement of the author's character (other than a reference to him being an attorney and thus prone to cherry pick data supporting his case). To the contrary, there are comments noting that the author's examples are taken out context, rendering his conclusions suspect, and others addressing the specifics of the author's three central arguments. The great majority of the comments are civil, on topic, and to the point (OldDaveJersey, especially-- thanks). One might even say the majority are thoughtful and analytical.
I always enjoy your Menckenesque ripostes on these boards and your witty curmudgeonliness, but there is really only one post in this thread so far that qualifies as disparagement of a writer's character rather than a logical rebuttal of arguments presented. There is only one that approaches sophistry and blather. I'll let you decide which one it is.
glendenbg Salt Lake City, UTAug. 19, 2013 2:27 p.m.
@procuradorfiscal - let's examine Erickson's arguments.
One: Erickson doesn't mention, intended or not, laws banning same sex marriage harm same sex couples.
Two: Erickson's argument about deep seated faith is irrelevant. A civil rights movement doesn't need to be based on faith to be valid.
If proponents of gay marriage are hostile toward religion, that doesn't happen in a vacuum. In a recent Pew poll, 70% or more of glbt persons identified Islam, Catholicism, Evangelical Protestantism and Mormonism as hostile to gay persons. Pluralities identified Judaism and Mainline Protestants as hostile toward gay persons. Ask almost any gay person who grew up going to church where they first heard negative comments about gays and they'll say, "In church."
Three: Erickson begs the question. How does banning same sex marriage stregnthen families? What reason should gay persons be denied the right to create legally protected families in the name of protecting families? Why does strengthening families require banning same sex marriage? Erickson assumes these things are true, but current research indicates they are assumptions not truths.
Maudine SLC, UTAug. 19, 2013 2:07 p.m.
@ procur: "So, as usual, all the usual gay-marriage proponents, spouting all the usual wrong-headed gay-marriage sophistry, have turned out to disparage, as usual, not the concepts or arguments of the article, but rather, as usual, the character, intelligence, and morality of the writer and of anyone who would dare to espouse such concepts or arguments."
Name three posters on this thread who disparage the author without addressing the concepts they disagree with. (Out of 27 comments, I have found 1 - which hardly supports your conclusion.)
And, by the way, I noticed you do a great job of disparaging those with whom you disagree, but I see little to refute the statements made in the comments by those who support same-sex marriage. Perhaps you should practice what you preach?
Lane Myer Salt Lake City, UTAug. 19, 2013 2:03 p.m.
"Give us the facts of how keeping gays from using the benefits of marriage harm children. "
EDIT: Give us the facts of how keeping gays from using the benefits of marriage HELP children.
Lagomorph Salt Lake City, UTAug. 19, 2013 1:43 p.m.
Erickson: "Marriage, however, is about more than civil rights for individuals. Marriage has profound implications for... children."
Marriage as a social policy may be primarily about parental responsibility to children, but that is not the ONLY reason. Perhaps he would like to refer to a section of Utah family law [UCA 30-1-1(f)], which makes the INABILITY to bear children a MANDATORY precondition for certain marriages. The indisputably pro-traditional family Utah legislature saw that it is within the legitimate scope of government simply to support relationships based on love and affection as a means of promoting social stability and individual happiness. There is room for multiple social policy goals within the institution of marriage. That fostering stable family environments for rearing children is a primary policy objective of marriage law does not preclude other objectives, nor does it preclude other family structures.
The "marriage is for the children" gambit also fails because, as others have pointed out here, it ignores the many, many thousands of children in gay households. Does Mr. Erickson really want to condemn them to the well-documented negative social outcomes borne by children of unmarried parents?
Lane Myer Salt Lake City, UTAug. 19, 2013 1:43 p.m.
procuradorfiscal: "Sure it does."
So prove it. You certainly did not wsrite anything in your post that proves that banning gay marriage helps children. You do know that even in Utah, a gay person is allowed to adopt a child, don't you? They just must be single! Honest! That is our law.
Instead of disparaging the people who have commented on this article and taken a different view than the author...follow your own advise and SHOW US how it helps the children - especially those children that are being raised by a gay couple. Give us the facts of how keeping gays from using the benefits of marriage harm children.
Tell us the facts.
procuradorfiscal Tooele, UTAug. 19, 2013 12:23 p.m.
Re: "The old 'think of the children' excuse doesn't work here."
Sure it does.
And, as pointed out in the article, no less an authority than a gay man raised by same sex parents, the guy that was re-elected President [but who has since abandoned his moral stance], and an LGBT activist all agree.
So, as usual, all the usual gay-marriage proponents, spouting all the usual wrong-headed gay-marriage sophistry, have turned out to disparage, as usual, not the concepts or arguments of the article, but rather, as usual, the character, intelligence, and morality of the writer and of anyone who would dare to espouse such concepts or arguments.
Such is the blather that passes for liberal "thought" and "analysis," these days.
EDM Castle Valley, UtahAug. 19, 2013 11:41 a.m.
Enough already. Prohibition of gay marriage does not strengthen families! If this made any sense, where is the evidence, the correlation, that we have strong families right now because we prohibit SS marriage in Utah?
As the adage goes: Good people do good things, while bad people do bad things. But for good people to do bad things, that takes religion.
You really have to be blinded by religion to not see this as a civil rights issue.
OldDaveJersey Trenton, NJAug. 19, 2013 10:36 a.m.
continuing ... There is currently nothing to prevent a polygamist from marrying one of his beloved partners, getting benefits commensurate with any other married couple, and living happily with his remaining partners. So are they really being discriminated against in terms of the benefits and protections (which is what the 14th Amendment is primarily concerned about)?
I'm also not aware of any research that suggests that there are some people that can enter into healthy marital relationships ONLY with multiple partners. I do think there are still also concerns by a significant number of social scientists over the inherent stability of such relationships, but that is probably a matter of continuing research.
These days, polygamists are primarily prosecuted for (1 being involved w/ minors and/or (2) trying to claim state benefits for more than one partner at once. If a group of people want to have a private marriage ceremony and then live together, I doubt they could be successfully prosecuted just for that. It really comes down to the benefits and protections, and the considerations for polygamy are very different from those for same-gender marriage.
Contrarius mid-state, TNAug. 19, 2013 10:30 a.m.
@Nwanda --
"an analysis of why that model ultimately lost in the Supreme Court of the 19th century while the same-sex model is currently winning in the same forum 150 years later."
I am very much NOT an expert on the 1800s polygamy battles, so take my historical opinion with a grain of salt -- IMHO, the Mormon polygamy struggles at the time lost mostly because of the religious convictions of "mainstream" Americans in power at that time.
These days, the same-sex model is winning because nobody has been able to prove that same-sex marriage actually causes any concrete harms to either individuals or society. In contrast, we have a large research literature showing harms caused by polygamy across the world -- especially to women and children. Therefore, using the harm principle, it is easy for governments and courts to separate the two issues.
OldDaveJersey Trenton, NJAug. 19, 2013 10:28 a.m.
@Nwanda -- Civil marriage in the US exists, in the form of certain benefits and protections granted to couples, to foster the health and stability of families, be they composed of just the couples themselves, the couples plus any biological children, or the couples plus kids from adoption, previous relationships, surrogacy, etc. Those reasons apply just as strongly to families built around same-gender couples as to those built around straight couples. Further, it has been well established that homosexuals can enter into healthy, successful marital relationships, but ONLY with people of the same gender. Current traditionalist marriage laws fundamentally preclude homosexuals from ever entering into a successful civil marriage.
Polygamy differs in several regards. First, there is a key question of what equal treatment, in terms of marriage benefits and protections, even means for polygamists. Is it really equal to require employers that provide spousal health coverage to also provide health coverage to ALL the spouses of a polygamist? Extending social-security survivor benefits to ALL the spouses of a polygamist would, on average, extend the payout periods by the government. Is that really equal?
Nwanda Los Angeles, CAAug. 19, 2013 9:27 a.m.
The author is correct that the comparison between the struggle for racial equality and the gay rights struggle is not an exact one, but the three examples given are uninteresting. The author talks about civil rights leaders' religious convictions, but many gay rights proponents base their position on an underlying conviction that 'all men and women are created equal'; whether one interprets 'creation' in a religious sense or simply in the sense of 'being born' is not terribly important. The underlying belief in equality is the same, whether its source is a chapel or not.
A political comparison far more interesting to a Utah audience would be between the marriage equality struggle and the early Mormon struggle to defend their own non-traditional marriage views. I'd be interested to see a thoughtful comparison of the arguments used by the early Utah settlers to defend their one-man-multiple-woman model in the federal court system, and an analysis of why that model ultimately lost in the Supreme Court of the 19th century while the same-sex model is currently winning in the same forum 150 years later.
Kalindra Salt Lake City, UtahAug. 18, 2013 8:16 p.m.
If children were only born once a couple was married, and if parents of children stayed married until death, and if people without children were never married, than this article might have a point.
However, the truth is that many children are born to parents that are not married - heck, some children are conceived and born with only one "parent" such as when single women choose artificial insemination.
Many parents with children divorce - some remarry and have more children - some have more children with someone other than their spouse while still married to their spouse.
Many married people have no children - some because they choose not to, some because they can't.
Nothing in this article reflects real life - which invalidates every point the author tries to make.
Which is why these very same arguments failed in the Prop 8 trial.
(As for the whole "religious foundation for support" argument - this is about civil, i.e. not religious, rights - a religious reason is not needed.)
marxist Salt Lake City, UTAug. 18, 2013 6:47 p.m.
The problem for conservatives is that they have been so dismally wrong on so many issues: Jim Crow laws, segregation, the Civil Rights Act, interracial marriage, etc. But now, presumably they've got it right on gay marriage. Somehow I don't think so. Gay marriages will be recognized in Utah within five years. Is it better for kids to have two parents of different genders? Yes, I think so. But can gay marriage work for kids? Yes to that also.
LDS Liberal Farmington, UTAug. 18, 2013 4:01 p.m.
Most gay parents I know, have children from their previous heterosexual "marriages".
They are THEIR children, regardless how you slice, dice, and skew hypothetical situations.
Tell me how one accounts for denying them their rights as biological parents?
Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UTAug. 18, 2013 3:23 p.m.
Why should straight couples have more legal rights and gay couples?
That is why it's a Civil Rights issue.
Eric Samuelsen Provo, UTAug. 18, 2013 2:06 p.m.
This article was written by an attorney, not a scholar. Does he cherry-pick evidence, to present his side most convincingly. Of course he does. But I do sense good will in his comments.
But he's wrong. If one of the main functions of marriage is to provide a stable environment for child rearing, then obviously gay couples are as capable as straight couples of providing such an environment. And reasons for discrimination disappear.
Truthseeker SLO, CAAug. 18, 2013 1:45 p.m.
Rep John Lewis:
""I've heard the reasons for opposing civil marriage for same-sex couples. Cut through the distractions, and they stink of the same fear, hatred and intolerance I have known in racism and in bigotry." This made gay marriage the kind of issue most political candidates dread--not because they don't know where they stand, but because no one likes being branded a hater."
"In President Obama's interview with Robin Roberts, he described the kind of steps many Americans have taken on the issue of same sex marriage. Once people begin to see the similarities between themselves and others, instead of focusing on differences, they come to recognize that equality is essentially a matter of human rights and human dignity. The President's growth reflects the growth of many Americans on this issue. I am glad to see more Americans, including President Obama, empathize with the struggles of same sex couples and express willingness in state after state to give their unions the same legal rights as other married couples."
Lightbearer Brigham City, UTAug. 18, 2013 1:11 p.m.
From the article: "... as one gay-marriage advocate acknowledges, 'Unlike racial segregation, to which anti-gay laws are often compared, the traditional restriction of marriage to opposite-sex couples was not designed, in and of itself, to denigrate or harm same-sex couples.'"
The "gay-marriage advocate" mentioned goes on to say: "Today's ruling [striking down DOMA] reflects the growing public understanding that DOMA and other laws that treat gay people unequally, while they may echo long-standing beliefs, now simply lash out at one group for no good reason: 'DOMA's avowed purpose and practical effect are to impose a disadvantage, a separate status, and so a stigma upon all who enter into same-sex marriages made lawful by the unquestioned authority of the States.'"
From the article: "... it's hard to imagine prominent gay-marriage advocates describing their movement as 'built upon deep-seated religious convictions.' Indeed, it has often been hostile to religion. To be sure, some of that hostility stems from perceived, and sometimes very real, denigration by some religious adherents."
It's no wonder, then, is it, if they don't build their movement upon the convictions of those who denigrate them.
Contrarius mid-state, TNAug. 18, 2013 12:32 p.m.
@Michael --
You're misrepresenting the views cited in your article references.
For instance -- in that article in which you claim that gay people are opposing gay marriage, that's not actually what most of them are saying at all.
One of the sources is actually saying that he cares about the *legal* rights of marriage and not the religious rights.
Another is saying that he's more worried about being murdered by homophobes than about getting married. (A very telling statement, btw.)
Yet another is saying that he opposes all marriage in general because it leads to divorce. (It doesn't have to make sense -- that's what he said.)
That's a far cry from your claims.
And as yet another source in that article states:
"So when I hear LGBT people saying the same thing: 'I don't think gay and lesbian people should get married', is it different from slaves saying: 'I don't think slaves should have the ability to get married'? It is internalised hatred, bred by oppression. Why would you want to deny someone of your own sexual orientation the ability to get married? No one [will be] forcing you to get married."
vesmir Riverside, CAAug. 18, 2013 12:30 p.m.
Holding true to his profession's stereotype, the writer argues only one side of the discussion, conveniently overlooking the full context of the issue; and, through his intellectual dishonesty, he attempts to shift the historical reality that SCOTUS has affirmed a number of times that marriage is a basic, fundamental right "necessary for the pursuit of happiness" IRRESPECTIVE of procreation. Even worse, his stance lacks any substantive evidence that the one father and one mother ideal holds true and is upheld when considering the current context of marriage as it stands for ALL families (with and without non-biologically related individuals) - his position against same sex parented families being wholly inconsistent with the anthropological evidence as reflected in the Am. Anthropological Association's position statement on marriage. Naturally, we see his words being in direct contrast to NAACP's stance on this issue. Adhering to the stereotype, we witness a grand hypocrisy and utter lack of intellectual honestly in this writer's "arguments."
RanchHand Huntsville, UTAug. 18, 2013 11:24 a.m.
"I still hear people say that I should not be talking about the rights of lesbian and gay people and I should stick to the issue of racial justice, But I hasten to remind them that Martin Luther King Jr. said, 'Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.'" "I appeal to everyone who believes in Martin Luther King Jr.'s dream to make room at the table of brother- and sisterhood for lesbian and gay people."
- Coretta Scott King
RanchHand Huntsville, UTAug. 18, 2013 11:23 a.m.
Laws promoting marriage as only one man/one woman are designed to promote heterosexual supremacy. These laws have "no legitimate overriding purpose independent of invidious sexual discrimination."
"But it's hard to imagine prominent gay-marriage advocates describing their movement as "built upon deep-seated religious convictions."
-- But it isn't hard to imagine them based upon deep seated Constitutional convictions. (Hint: The USA is NOT a theocracy).
"Do it for the children, do it for the children" -- What about the children of gays and lesbians? They just don't count, do they (what hypocrisy).
I guess we are going to have to ban marriage between heterosexual couples who refuse to, or can't have children too. If marriage is solely about "the children", then those who don't have them don't need it either.
Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi ArabiaAug. 18, 2013 11:12 a.m.
I remember a couple of years back when I participated in a letter writing campaign. A black woman at the University of Eastern Michigan stated her view that the civil rights movement and the gay rights movement are not the same. She was forced out of her job. So she sought and gained employment in a city in Michigan. The local gay rights group tried to bully the city that gave her job offer to rescind the offer. Fortunately, they stood up to the bullies.
Well, it is a little like the civil rights movement. At the beginning of Jim Crow laws blacks were bullied into leaving jobs so whites could take over their jobs.
This was a good, well thought out peace.
SEY Sandy, UTAug. 18, 2013 11:01 a.m.
My question is this: why is government involved at all in deciding who can and who can't be married? Could it be greed and control on their part?
2 tell the truth Clearwater, FLAug. 18, 2013 10:52 a.m.
Re: "First, laws prohibiting interracial marriage were designed to promote white supremacy. That's why a unanimous Supreme Court invalidated these laws for having "no legitimate overriding purpose independent of invidious racial discrimination."
Um, neither do anti-gay laws have any "legitimate overriding purpose independent of invidious [anti-gay] discrimination."
Re: "Unlike racial segregation, to which anti-gay laws are often compared, the traditional restriction of marriage to opposite-sex couples was not designed, in and of itself, to denigrate or harm same-sex couples."
And yet it does. It makes gay people 2nd class citizens by not treating them equally under the law. It denies them the 1,138 Federal "effects that flow from marriage". This causes actual, real harm to not only the couple but to their children as well.
2 tell the truth Clearwater, FLAug. 18, 2013 10:47 a.m.
Re: "What goes unsaid is that the most influential civil-rights leaders, "citing God and the Bible," opposed discrimination and segregation on religious grounds."
OldDaveJersey Trenton, NJAug. 18, 2013 10:28 a.m.
The three points made in the piece each totally avoid any and all of the strong legal parallels between interracial and same-gender marriage, which renders the piece largely irrelevant. Also, it is hard to take any piece seriously when it supports the conclusion "it's hard to imagine prominent gay-marriage advocates describing their movement as 'built upon deep-seated religious convictions'" by beginning with words of John Lewis, who is just one of a great many public figures who has done just that. The cherry-picking of songs, slogans and historical facts is also ridiculous. The assertion that denying civil marriage rights/benefits to same-gender couples is somehow necessary to protect children is completely unsubstantiated ... and in fact, contrary to most of the scientific evidence and views of the major mental health organizations. The desire to "preserve and strengthen families" applies to couples without children ... straight or gay, as well as couples with children ... again, straight or gay.
Hutterite American Fork, UTAug. 18, 2013 9:38 a.m.
Preserving marriage as only between a man and a woman does nothing to ensure the surest foundation for children. The old 'think of the children' excuse doesn't work here, and indeed if it were true then the opportunity to allow one more option to create a stable family, gay marriage in this case, is something you should be arguing for to ensure a foundation for children. Man/Woman marriage does what it does for children (I would argue it doesn't actually do much for them these days) and it is in our best interest if we can add to that.
2 tell the truth Clearwater, FLAug. 18, 2013 9:20 a.m.
Your "view" is worth precisely what I paid to read it, Michael. Which is ... absolutely nothing.
Thanks anyway.
Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UTAug. 18, 2013 8:26 a.m.
The only way the in which the marriage issue is the same as the racial issue is that they are both economic issues. The both have their root motivation based in greed. However, since almost every issue of difference in our society is based upon greed this is to be expected.
Behind all the propaganda, words and smoke, the object of the religious people is to defend and protect their favored position in the economy and the world in general. Gay people seem to want in on the favored position and to make it easier for people to be gay.
The best way to resolve this and other discrimination issues is to remove the favoritism given to groups and treat all people as Americans.


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