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|December 16, 2009, 03:25 PM
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As long as you're willing to handle the packaging and shipping; I think you should list everything here. (For starters)
If you find certain items aren't selling; have us give you a definitive identification, and go with the consignment.
Break it up into 4-6 lots, and list it on a gun auction site. Give a full, itemized list of what is in each lot, and let the bidders decide the value.
Either way-
You should easily be able to make $1500-2k. ($2500-3000 could be a possibility)
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|December 16, 2009, 03:39 PM
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I don't mean to upset anyone
Everybody is being so helpful, but I notice a theme in the pm's...I'm sure that every single one of us has a sob story, mine is the move to Chicago, my fruitless search for a job for three months, six kids and no money for Christmas much less grocery shopping right now. I know for a fact that my grandpa would be happy that I can use the reloading stuff to get through this rough patch, because I am desperate. He also left me some other things that I will treasure for the rest of my life, he would probably be very very upset with me if I didn't look to sell something I may not every use for the next twenty years to feed my family right now. Seriously, I need to sell this as soon as I can but in honor of my Grandpa I don't want to part it out, I want it to be the greatest Christmas present ever for someone who will enjoy it as much as he did. Ok, sorry but I don't want any more guilt trips about selling grandpa's stuff, I have to do what I have to do and I know he agrees with me.
|December 16, 2009, 04:05 PM
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There's a bit of an impasse at work here.
Sell it too soon and for too little and it would be like using Grandfather's silver dime collection in a vending machine.
If you can't find out what's in the collection then Grandfather's treasure won't take you as far as you may need to go.
It appears to me that this equipment was used by a competitive rifle shooter to make match ammo. Really need another competetive rifle shooter to help sort it for true value. Perhaps attending a local rifle match and finding someone face-to-face???
Otherwise it turns into a grab-bag deal. From what others have said and what I can see in the picture $2k might be a good deal (even without powder or primers because of shipping issues for them). But with the recent primer shortage- the primers could be worth quite a bit all on their own! (however many there may be - and they might be very good primers too!)
|December 16, 2009, 04:08 PM
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This is the third time that someone has mentioned it would be worth upwards of $2000, I really had no idea it could be worth that much,which is why I was looking for input. But I guess it is only worth that much when someone is willing to pay that much Thank you for the thoughts to consider.
|December 16, 2009, 04:31 PM
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Are you interested in selling any of the stuff piece by piece before you put it all in one big lot?
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|December 16, 2009, 06:03 PM
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I wish
Thanks for asking, but I would much rather sell the entire lot all together, I think it would be very difficult for me to sell piecemeal since I don't know what most of it is.
|December 16, 2009, 06:07 PM
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I can help identify the tools. I had my eye on the Huntington portable press. It's the silver and black tool standing upright mounted to a small bracket near the RCBS Rockchucker and looks like it has wings on either side that move up and down. RCBS no longer makes that particular hand press. If you are interested just let me know.
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|December 16, 2009, 06:23 PM
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Can you give me some idea of what the Rock chucker and the huntington portable press are worth since they are used?
|December 16, 2009, 06:32 PM
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I know you will do what you need to do for your family and yourself, I know each one of us would too. Hope you find a job soon!!!
|December 16, 2009, 06:33 PM
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I wrote you a PM and I think you are doing good. I believe 90% of these guys here would be honest with you and not try to rip you off. I really like the statement you made about Grandpa would want you to do what is right and what will help the family.
But the input about the silver dime collection and the vending machine was very good. Hold out just a little longer, see what the stuff is worth and, I know you do not really want to, but sell it for the best price, piece by piece if need be.
Best of luck to you.
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|December 16, 2009, 06:45 PM
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Sorry I can't help Re: The portable press.
|December 16, 2009, 06:52 PM
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Used Rockchuckers go for around $100 on eBay, some a bit more, some a bit less. The Huntington press hasn't been manufactured for quite a few years now and doesn't come up on eBay very often but when they do they sell for between $40 and $55 depending on whether or not they have all the original pieces and the original box and instructions.
You also have an RCBS Ammomaster, dark green with 3 vertical black posts that holds the die platform. They usually sell used on eBay for around $170 - 190$, again, original box and instructions, etc.
The ligher green press is a Redding Boss press. They typically go for a bit more money than the Rockchucker press. There is the Boss, the Big Boss, and the Big Boss II. The Big Boss presses have a ball at the end of the handle, not a bicycle grip. I can't make it out clearly but I think yours is the bicycle type grip, not the ball.
You can search for reloading presses on eBay and see for yourself how much they sell for.
The Huntington is the small silver colored press with the black linkage bars standing upright between the Ammomaster, the Boss, and the Rockchucker.
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|December 16, 2009, 07:37 PM
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|December 16, 2009, 08:43 PM
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FYI, the powder measure you have in the background is probably worth a hefty lot... http://www.harrellsprec.com/
These are a bench resters dream.
Please be aware that primers and powders are going to be difficult, if not impossible to ship as a regular Joe.
I'm in Rockford and might be down around Chicago Heights next week.
If you have a list of powder and primers that might be on hand I may be interested.
Otherwise, take some time, do a little reasearch or list the contents here and let the PMs flow in with some guidance. Make a list and talk with some shooting range/club administration in the area about posting the listing.
Find out where he used to frequent, club memberships, etc. There will be plenty of interest and help around. Don't be in a hurry.
|December 16, 2009, 11:32 PM
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I agree with StumpShooter - sell the powders and primers (if you have any, can't be seen in the pictures) now, locally as a FTF (face-to-face) transaction as they cannot be shipped anyway. If the powder is unopened, someone will buy it for at least $15-20 per pound. Primers will bring at least $25 per 1,000 box. Selling these two groups of items could provide some immediate Christmas cash, while allowing you time to regroup and get a much more fair value for the remaining hardware items (presses, dies, accessories, bullets, etc) that can be shipped.
Wishing you and yours a very Merry Christmas.
|December 17, 2009, 01:46 AM
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I am sorry for your loss. Welcome to the site.
In your state, I would try to find a local reloading expert who could identify the equipment, make sure all the parts that belong together, get together. Then he would sell all the stuff for a 20% cut (or whatever you two negotiate as fair). Put a time limit on selling the stuff. If you want top dollar it will take longer. Give it 2 to 6 months.
Alternatively, you could just have someone (qualified) go through it all and assemble it for sale with labels of what it is, condition and a price. Once everything is labelled (e.g. RCBS Rockchucker, 90% condition, $65). You might pay him $100 or $200 to take a weekend and do all that. With good labelling, you you could cross check a few items on a gun gear auction or sales site.
Others have suggested finding a gun range. I would do that. Talk to the rangemaster and ask for a reference of someone who reloads and is trustworthy. Ask if anyone knows of a place where used equipment in pristine condition could be sold.
This is all off-the-cuff guesses from a guy who has no experience appraising values, so take that into account.
You may have two grand worth of equipment there if sold wisely. Three grand if all new pricing. And that does not count primers, brass (empty cartridge cases) and bullets. And everything I see looks in brand-new condition. Well cared for, indeed. Here are my "calculations".
40 The bright blue thing in the back is a scale- $40
75 the green plastic boxes are $25 for the 3-piece sets 3 each
30 the green plastic boxes are $10. 3 each
25 the small flat green box appears to be shell holders. $25
30 The yellow box - screwdriver tips $30
40 the books are $10 each (about 1/3 of their new price, depending on age)
80 all the white pieces of cloth (cleaning patches), $3-$5 per baggie
180 the green cast metal things are presses, and I count 4 at $45 each
45 the gray press standing up in near the presses is a "W" press, also about $45
25 The dark blue thing is a vibratory tumbler $25
the rest of the stuff (most of which I cannot identify from the photo, or maybe even if I saw it in person is probably worth at least half that much more (wild guess)
$595 + 305 $900
Open powder $5 a pound for anyone willing to buy it (unlikely unless desperate)
Factory sealed powder $10 a pound (20 to 30 retail and of guaranteed provenance) Gunpowder has a lot of nitrates, which does make for green plants. Do water them and don't put it on too heavy. Overfertilizing with any plant food or fertilizer will "burn" the plants by boosting their growth rate too high.
Primers, new are $3.00 to $5.00 per hundred. Really good match grade primers maybe $6 per hundred. They are hard to find in some areas, so bargain hard and get at least $2.50 to $4 per hundred. It makes little difference if they are Rifle, Pistol, Magnum or Standard.
Craigs List is anti-firearms. Read their rules. They don't even allow telescopic sights. Doubtful if they would take a favorable view of loading gear.
The empty brass cartridge casings will very widely in value. Read the headstamps to see what chambering they are and the manufacturer, then log on to a mail-order house (Like Cabela's or CheaperThanDirt and price their empty brass. Figure half price to one-third price if the brass has been fired. If it has never been fired, half to three-quarters of new price. Pistol cartridges go for 20 cents each to a couple of bucks depending on caliber and rifle cartridges, I don't know.
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|December 17, 2009, 08:03 AM
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I'd be interested in the whole package. I live about 3 hours from you.
|December 17, 2009, 06:23 PM
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Cycle - I think Lost sheep, as well as others have some GOOD advice.
I would suggest $2000 MAY be a low value.
I think there are a lot of people getting into reloading, and it wouldn't be hard to sell that stuff.
The bullets (100 pc boxes) are probably worth $15-20 EACH.
Norma brass is very expensive
Good luck,
|December 18, 2009, 04:09 AM
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WOW !! I will have to be the first to ask, seeing nobody else has. What happened to the guns he used this stuff for reloading? -- They probably are worth another small fortune!
Nobody noticed the NECO Concentricity Gauge or the Wilson/Sinclair Trimmer in the upper left hand corner!
I also like the Redding Competition Shell Holders, the Redding Titanium & Steel Bushing for the Redding Competition Rifle Dies as well.
I agree with the others, sell the items that are NOT "Gun Powder" or "Primers" on eBay with lots of good quality pictures INDIVIDUALLY and this will be the best Christmas for the family -- Sorry about the loss of your Grand-Father -- He surely lived a good and healthy life!!
IF I didn't live in Texas, I would give you $2500+ for it or more possibly. You really need to get a complete list of everything!!!
|December 18, 2009, 12:15 PM
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"I would much rather sell the entire lot all together, I think it would be very difficult for me to sell piecemeal since I don't know what most of it is. "
Understandable but your market is experieced reloaders, not newbies. But new guys tend to want new stuff if for no other reason than they want some assurance they are getting usable stuff and they have no experiece to evaluate used equipment. On the other hand, those of us with the experiece to know already have a lot of stuff, we would only be interested in a a few new other items or to up-grade a few pieces of what we already have. Your grandpa is likely to have a large number of items in that stack that others would never need at all. All that makes selling it as a package much less attractive than it may appear.
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|December 18, 2009, 02:04 PM
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Huntington's is the only place I've ever seen that press for sale, for $110. One of them is on my "someday" list.
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Pentax Ricoh discontinues K-01 K-mount mirrorless camera
Pentax Ricoh has moved its K-01 K-mount mirrorless camera to the 'discontinued' section of its website after just 12 months on the market, following steep discounts to its price in recent weeks. The unconventional-looking K-01 used a full-depth Pentax K lens mount but relied on contrast-detection AF, rather than the phase-detection systems for which all autofocus K-mount lenses have been primarily designed.
Designed by Marc Newson, the K-01 was one of the most unusual-looking cameras we've ever used, and the full-depth K-mount made it one of the largest mirrorless camera's we've ever reviewed, too.
|When we reviewed the K-01 last year we praised its image quality, but were less impressed by AF performance and ergononomics. Click here to read the full review.
At this year's Consumer Electronics show, we asked a Pentax representative whether there would be a K-02, but received a determined 'no comment' in response. It is possible that the K-01's role could be taken by a long-rumored K-mount module for Ricoh's GXR system.
Click here to read our full review of the Pentax K-01 (published May 2012)
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Despite its many frustrating features (and I keep finding more) this is a great little camera at an unbeatable price that takes some amazing pictures. Macro pictures in bright sunlight are difficult - focus peaking only works if you can see the screen! The rubber door is inane and the On/Off switch keeps bumping to On. Perhaps this camera is a good candidate for Eye-Fi. However I have been asked to do the photography for a music festival (indoor) and I have opted for the K-01 with a Sigma 17-70/2.8.
Pentax really got it wrong with the K1; - (darned shame though, as it cost them a good few quid to bring it to market). The design alone would suggest that it's designer; (Marc Newson) is a designer of basic/low cost outhouses or beach huts.
Its an "oficiall announcement" that all the K 01 ´s that anyone would ever buy will consider already "antique"
I think this value should consider more in coming decade and later.
I'm sure it's a fine piece of photographic equipment, with a good heart, natural maternal instincts, compassionate, etc..., but the shallow ones in the group, such as myself, will never give her a chance because SHE'S BUTT UGLY!!!
Hahahaha...Just having fun, but really...the b!tch is ugly, man.
Crucify me....
If it gave superior results while being ugly you could live with it. It's like having an ugly wife with no other redeeming qualities. Call me shallow Hal.
@Trolls- we must be looking at different RAW files because the K-01 RAW files are actually pretty darn good. But then ultimately it's the photographer who creates an image, so if someone doesn't have what it takes to take a good photo, getting a better camera is not going to really help.
It does give superior results. Name one camera that gives better results for less then $349 new. hell, name one camera for less then $700.. the only cameras to match it are the Nikon D7000 and Pentax K5.
who gives a rat's butt if its ugly, does anyone go through your photo album and say "oh, i dont like that picture because you took it with a colorful camera made of plastic??" I'll admit, the K01 doesnt look business, but i dont find nikon D1x or canon 5d III attractive to look at either.
The K01 at launch price was a joke, but when it dropped to $349, i sold off all my sony gear and picked one up. It has better IQ plus i have $800 left over in my wallet.
At least OTHER camera manufacturers will know what designer NOT to hire, lol!!!
I think a lot of people that don't like the k-01 haven't used one or held one. The design has really grown on me. I don't own one personally, but if I had $300 laying around I'd buy one tomorrow. This is a camera that has won awards and was one of the most talked about cameras in 2012. It was a total failure, sure, but I think that there wasn't enough to make the system initially appealing. A fast zoom lens that recessed into the body would have been a nice demonstrator. The price was also far too high initially. I've used my k-5 in live view to get a feel for what using a k-01 would be like and found it lacking personally. I never liked any of the point and shoots either for that reason, but I did make them work. On a tripod this would be perfectly fine though as I always use live view. An evf, even on the hotshoe would make this a lot more attractive.....wait for version 2. It will come one day.
What is with all the anger here? Some of you act like the K-01 was somehow single handedly destroying photography. At least half the posters here have never laid a finger on a K-01 or seen it in person. How the heck do you know ANYTHING about this camera? Goodness let it go! And dont pretend that this is the first discontinued camera ever. Goodness you cant swing a dead cat an not hit a Panasonic or Olympus M43 on clearance 9 months after introduction.
Sounds like you are the angry one. People have the right to dislike this camera. Whether they have seen one in person or used one is not the point. If a camera looks so ugly that someone does not want to be caught in public with one, then it is already a failure. Frankly, the chimney looking thing on that camera is distinctive but ugly. It is the same with food. If it looks so gross that you won't even want to take a bite or even touch it, then it deserves to fail.
@Anstigmat - I totally understand someone thinking its ugly but to go on about it being hard to hold, bulky or bad button placement when you have never picked one up? I personally dont like the vast majority of M43 cameras because of their form factor - too small - but that is based on having picked them up and used them. Same for Canon DSLRs - they just dont agree with me - something I learned after trying a friends for a few days. Yet the folks cheering the loudest about the demise of the K-01 have never even seen one in person let alone used it. Whatever. Their loss.
Pentax did well with this camera. Design is a matter of preference and ergonomics partially a matter of holding style and hand size. I own a K-01 and I can say with confidence that it is a superb camera. Pentax has updated its firmware and the AF speed & low light AF issues have been resolved.
If you have never used one, especially after its phenomenal price reduction, you're simply missing out. I have used and owned a large number of Pentax DSLRs and currently the only Pentax K-mount body I prefer to use is K-01. Personally, I love its design and -with a light/compact lens- the ergonomics are very sufficient.
For most, cameras are toys not tools...especially in this class. Who wants an ugly toy? This thing looks like water will squirt out of the lens when you depress the shutter button.
Ok, now that's funny!!!:-)
It should be made to work like that only the water squirt would not be such a shock. Maybe require toy cameras to have bright orange lenses so you know they are toys.
it is disappointed to see many who are happy K01 is done has never ever use one and i wonder what is the value for those comments. i will be glad to see someone come up here and share all the nonsense being a K01 owner, that's constructive! well, anyone?
all camera got pros and cons. many pretty looking camera give BS pictures. K01 may be ugly but it gives beautiful pictures!!
yes, i am a fanboy, camera fanboy, i shot many systems as habit and learning so you can save your Pentax fanboy comment just in case. write something more constructive, please.
wish your pretty or "mirrorless must be this and that" camera gives you pretty pictures as a successful camera should be.
personal opinion only.
happy shooting.
The canons-nikons have had their own flops and their own manufacturing defects. There were light leaks on one of the canon dslr's, and the nikon V2 looks like marc newson could have given it some badly needed design help (same with entire PS G15 line and the NEX's, as far as I'm concerned). Disagree that K-01 is in any way ungainly in the hand. It lends itself to a solid grip and thus better view-screen shooting than anything I've handled. Big enough for a good, long-lasting battery in common with my K-7 and K-5. And rubbish to all the noise about the rubber SD card flap. It's fine. Intuitive menus, great feel to the buttons and dials and the pop-up. Maybe you need to own one to know it, but the K-01 is a solid camera capable of great images, and I didn't need to buy a single lens for it.
You have a point about my understanding, Myari? Please clariify. I don't like the look of the NEX. I like K-01. Does that bother you?
Maybe you're just flaming someone you don't know?
Drummercan - 'Looks' much like photography is a matter of taste.....but there is such a thing as 'bad taste'...such as anyone who thinks the K01 isn't ugly.
Clint - I said nothing about the "look" of K-01 at all. My original post is about K-01's functionality as a camera and how it suits me personally. And too Myari, I never disputed his opinion that K-01 was, in his words, a flop. I merely pointed out that other brands have their share of the same problems as complained of in the K-01, and then I stuck to how the K-01 suits me. I didn't dispute "flop" and I didn't dwell on how good (or bad, for that matter) I think K-01 "looks." I addressed function. You and Myari are apparently fixated on flaming people who like the K-01 at all. Since I like it for its functionality, not its "success" or "looks" please leave me alone.
Drummercan - I actually don't care what you think about the K01...if it works for you great. Call me shallow but I like things to work well AND look good...so for me the K01 is a pass. There are a tonne of cameras out there and almost all of them will give world class photos....so I figure why not buy one that looks good too:)
oh, just realize where are all these non constructive, bias, personal nonsense come from. only because many having their pretty camera are not getting better or actually having worse photo than an ugly camera (pretty and ugly in their own opinion). while you can't respect other's opinion and what makes you think we should care about yours!! call me shallow!!
Simple cause of death: it makes no sense to own a mirrorless camera with a SLR's register distance. If the lenses and camera body are no smaller for a given sensor size, then just buy the SLR. It will focus faster and its viewfinder will work better. Pentax tried to cheap out of designing new lenses for a new mount and got exactly the reception they deserved.
IMO the design was fine. Odd but it got people talking. The real problem was that the system as designed had no technical reason to exist.
Waxwaine, you missed Tim's point completely.
Reason to exist: low production cost, low users price with HI IQ results. Try to Find an equivalent camera at us299.
ManuelV...: Tim missed Pentax point. If you couldn't understand an idea doesn't mean the idea was wrong.
wildkat:Try to put in also a darkroom, for images processing, on a LX. Remember today camera body do the process job as laboratory on film days.
If it's selling for $299 that's because it was a flop. No one was buying it at a price that would generate profit for the company. That's not a technical reason for the camera to exist. That just means the camera was a flop.
The fact still is that there is no technical reason for the camera to exist. It has a DSLR mount. It has the space for the mirror, and with the mirror it would focus faster.
Removing the mirror from the camera but leaving empty space means that the camera doesn't have any size/flexibility advantage.
FYI waxwaine its launch price was $749 so I don't think it was designed as a low-cost solution. I mean the concept (no mirror but SLR mount) sort of works as an ultra-budget SLR, but in the end it's not what the market wanted.
I liken the design to the Volkswagon Beetle.
Obviously not to everyone's taste who would prefer a small sleek Porsche or big black SUV etc instead. But to those it does appeal to it will become a cult classic, if it hasn't already.
I liken it to ugly. At least the VW beatle has decades of sales.
How did all those amazing images from the masters get made in the film days. Art begins at 800 ISO
I dont want pics above 400 ISO usually but everyone shoots diferent.
If Newson did anything, he at least got people in the photography world talking, particularly the conservative old bags. It's different, no VF, not really that compact..yet it takes pics with outstanding IQ.
I feel quite sorry for Newson; everyone's blaming him but in my opinion it's Pentax's fault for using their full-size DSLR mount, resulting in a completely hobbled design that's too big to use comfortably with the physical styling.
If Pentax had created a new shallow mount the camera could have been half the width, making the control layout more comfortable to use and allowing a whole set of reduced size lenses to be developed rather than a single (slightly awkward focal length) f2.8 pancake. The lenses could also be CDAF optimised rather than all the PDAF optimised lenses which make no sense on a CDAF-only body.
If they'd done that then I'd actually be willing to put money on it having sold quite well and this announcement being the K-02 rather than the discontinuation of the line.
This jumping of the shark was done by Marc and funded by Pentax. Pentax put too much faith in a butcher when they needed a surgeon.
@Trollshavethebestcandy ok then, given the requirements (full-size K mount with no mirror) how would you have made it a good camera?
" ok then, given the requirements (full-size K mount with no mirror) how would you have made it a good camera?"
1) Fast on-sensor PDAF (see Nikon 1, only on a bigger sensor), or better yet fast PDAF+CDAF hybrid, able to fast K-mount lenses as fast as K-5 II.
2) EVF in the top left corner.
@peevee1 I don't think Newson got to pick whether it had PDAF or an EVF.
If you dont know what makes a good camera or what would be innovative than telling you the answer will not make you any smarter. there are tens if not hundreds of ways to make a cool camera at this price point.
@Trollshavethebestcandy, my point is there's nothing Newson could have done to make it a success given Pentax's technical requirements for the camera. All you seem to have been doing is criticising Newson for "ugly design" when it's clearly a poorly thought out specification from Pentax that's to blame, so I ask again given the same technical spec for the camera what would *you* have done that Newson didn't?
@Trollshavethebestcandy, my point is there's nothing Newson could have done to make it a success given Pentax's technical requirements for the camera. All you seem to have been doing is criticising Newson for "ugly design" when it's clearly a poorly thought out specification from Pentax that's to blame, so I ask again given the same technical spec for the camera what would *you* have done that Newson didn't?
I disagree but the ugly did not help. Liken it to a home. It may be nice on the inside but you would chose another house if you could that had better curb appeal.
A much shorter list would be what is not ugly about it starting with the concept then the form, toy like appearance, excecution and working our way down to the stove pipe dial in front to the grip ect ect. It hit about every branch falling down out of the ugly tree. Dont get me started on the yellow one.
So the "brick" is your muse? Please show pics of K-01 inspired pics please.
Id like an EVF option, inbuilt, in ko2 and they will sell them. There is a great and acheivable product design in ko2 just by reading commebts of this thread. First company to directly use mirrorless tech to support native brand lensmount. Bad start but we all saw this cameras demise on the horizon. Thats not to say a few revisions and we would have a solid product. Pentax is brining the fight to cost/benefit APSC - DONT RETREAT!
I agree. I hope Pentax spends some time reading the comments. It is not hard to identify the trend:
1. People will buy any camera that takes good pictures, no matter what it looks like.
2. People will only go crazy for a camera if it is well above average in some way.
3. If you have a camera with average AF, average size, average IQ and average looks, people will only buy it when the price is attractive.
4. That means average cameras end up on the discount rack, which is not where you want your product.
Dear Pentax: Either make it faster, smaller, or better. If you don't do one of those three, then the only thing you can do is make it cheaper.
If Pentax ever releases a K-02, they don't need to come up with some ground-breaking k-01 or GXR type configuration. Just stick in the awesome K-5 II sensor with 14-bit color and it will give the X-Pro 1 and NEX-7 a run for its money.
You're absolutely right. It'd make sense. Unfortunately, a Pentax forum poster, (who sounded like he works at Pentax) said that a K-02, or an upgraded K-01, had been ruled out by the firm.
I really liked the design. the image qualitiy was very very good for this class and for anyone with pentax lenses this would have been a great option to go mirrorless or have a second body. I was astonished how many people complained about the looks, almost everybody here as it would be a hasselblad lunar. Pentax should make a Ko2 with more manual control, faster foucus, 24mp, and slightly less bulkier looks...
Could an actual owner please comment on AF and burst performance? I shoot outdoor sports.
The reviews generally lack action shots.
How is it? Which lens did you shoot?
It is really not for sports at all in my opinion, nor for 'machine gun' style social reportage. The focus is very much improved by recent firmware updates - not quite as quick as a dslr but not so slow as to become an issue for me at least.
With the kit 40mm XS it arguably has the best IQ/price ratio of any digital camera currently available (and therefore in the history of digital imaging?) and has the ability to mount the fabulous Pentax Limited lenses without an adapter.
For me its size and weight advantage versus a dslr makes sense, it is the perfect second camera or walkaround, without sacrificing image quality. I wouldn't buy it for speed though. Over on the Pentax forum there are BIF shots using the K-01 but I don't have personal experience in that kind of shooting.
Update the FW to 1.02, and you'll find the AF comments would be different. Not amazing by many standards, but impressively better. Still, owners can determine how it works best for them, and non-owners will move blissfully forward. The closeout prices are amazing for a camera using the 16Mpix Sony sensor, that's what put one in my bag.
I could get one of the "Look at how ugly I am" yellow ones and use it for target practice at 1,000 yards. Maybe post the video. I'll wait till I see it in the bargain basket at the dollar store.
Maybe it would look better covered in a roll of duct tape. That might contain the ugly.
It's becoming a collectors' item, get one while the supply lasts!
It is amazing how much fuzz there is about the ending off the K-01. Most camera's go down easy, so all this fuzz is about something special!
Yes, one of the ugliest cameras in the world is now gone. It was a monumental failure, hence the interest.
What do I find ugly about this camera? It is a silly question, because taste is not quantifiable; but, in a nutshell... everything.
Popetographer: you've just employed the adjective that best describes the Pentax K-01's aesthetics: «grotesque»!
I just love that 40mm/F2.8 lens in the picture. From the looks of it, lens weights 80 grams, 5 grams of which is actually glass.
Memo to all companies who pretend to "redefine" the mirrorless market:
the market is micro-4:3rd. Full stop.
Don't waste any more time with "parallel streams" and other such marketing devices to make you waste money and resources.
And FIRE the nincompoops who keep telling you to "redefine" the market!
No? OK, keep running to the edge of the abyss...
In the race for the most idiotic post in this discussion we finally got a winner. Congrats, Nuno!
Would you take this camera for free? That would say a lot about your taste.
In the race for most idiotic troll post, we finally have a winner!
Thanks Pete and get off the Sake: it's not good for your credibility...
papillon is being a bit harsh, but he does make valid points on the Pentax mis-cue in the mirrorless market. I don't know if Pentax was trying to re-define the segment with this camera, but it did lack in two key features; focus and EVF.
Looks are subjective and an objective user can look beyond to evaluate an item. The look of the camera is a secondary issue IMHO.
The focus issues have kept me away from this model - and I'm a Pentax user, but at the current price point I'm be willing to suffer through a slow focus.
I think Pentax really misunderstood the MILC market; hence the Q and the K-01. But, the camera companies in general have misunderstood the market. They seem to think that MILCs will appeal only to novice or recreational users; people who are "intimidated" by dslr's and that mirrorless is only a "step up" format.
In truth, MILCs are serious tools and in markets outside Japan professionals and serious amateurs are the ones who are primarily interested in mirrorless.
I would recommend that you grab one of these. I don't know what kind of photography you do, but I mostly do portraits and landscapes, so AF speed is really a non-issue for me. Also, the K-01 has focus-peaking, so using MF is simple despite the lack of an EVF.
Pentax did not misunderstood the MILC market, they understood the Japanese MILC market quite well since that is their main market. AFAIK the K01 is quite popular and the Q is one of the best selling cameras there whick also became the number 1 selling camera there and is hugely popular.
I think it`s a shame, at the studio comparison tool, the IQ is one of the best I have ever seen.
There is no need to complaint about the design, just buy something else, IMO I think it could bring some new ideas to the manufacturers... They are so short minded nowadays that all we see is some vintage designs coming back, where is the creativity?
The problem with the K-01 was not so much its looks, but that it was always at a loss to find its own spot. It was too big for a CSC camera, too small and fiddly to replace a DSLR. And, for its price at the time of launch, you could have bought a K-r body, or even a K-x, and you'd have got a proper handgrip and an optical viewfinder without adding too much to the bulk.
Of course, when the K-30 came, Pentax buried the K-01. The latter's advantage of allowing K lenses to be mounted became irrelevant (and so did its image quality) in face of its flaws. I don't see why people should hesitate in choosing the K-30 over the K-01.
Pentax could have done much better, but apparently they were too jaded to understand the market's demands.
And being fugly didn't help the K-01's case...
I agree with you. I own a K-01. I bought it when it hit $300 to have as a second camera to my K5. I did think of getting a K30 instead but the price drop of the K-01 convinced me otherwise. While it does take great pictures I really miss a view finder on it. At least an optional one like Olympus does would be great. I don't mind the looks but it is a bit awkward to hold with a solid lens mounted. With my 15mm limited mounted it is very front heavy. It wont even stand on it's base if placed on a flat surface. This camera has become my tripod landscape camera. If it had a flip screen it would be so much better for my use but I guess I can't complain as it only cost me $300 and delivers outstanding image quality. But in the end I sort of wish I would have spent the extra and got the K30. :(
Reading these comments it seems that I am largely alone in my opinion of this camera; I think it's a great camera and it's a shame it's being discontinued. I too thought that the design was ugly when I first saw the press releases on this site last year, but I still wanted one because it was a cheap way to get into the K-mount and the quality of the sensor was on par with the K-5. After I recieved the camera and held it in my hands I began to appreciate the design and the high quality construction. I liked it so much I bought another one because I new that the camera would soon be discontinued. I bought my K-01's 3 weeks ago, so I was able to take advantage of the low price they sell for now. I hope that Pentax continues with this concept but the next camera in this line should have vast improvements to autofocus, ergonomy, and an EVF should be added.
It's camera so ugly that Pentax decided to kill it rather than offer it for adoption.....'nuff said.
It's easy to pan. So what's your yardstick for a currently beautiful camera then?
1970's deceased estate retro? 1990's amorphous black-blob DSLR? 2000's digital consumer-gadgets?
@ anthony mazzeri - nah..anything that looks great but is also functional, i.e not the K-01. But hey, you got it right because it's been a blazing success......hasn't it???
Entirely predictable, a concept so FUBAR it defies belief that anyone thought it could work. A large mirrorless camera with no evf, slow af and brightly coloured lights. Great for the Manga teens but if anyone had actually asked any semi serious photographer whether they would be seen dead with it then they would have had their answer, and saved themselves an awful lot of money.
Sorry Pentax lovers but there is a lot more to a camera than having a nice sensor and pretty coloured lights. Please don't tell me I'm a design dinosaur who "doesn't get it", I laughed at it when it was released and I'm laughing now, a classic case of "The emperors new clothes" I'm afraid. If you want to do something radical at least ensure that you include the advantages of the chosen format and make it functional. Two of the biggest advantages were missing - size and evf, epic fail.....
My OMD produces image quality well up to par thanks, I don't need to pixel peep and navel gaze over minute differences that won't matter in real word usage. If you feel the need to do that then may I recommend the Nikon D800, that should just about cover it. Unfortunately it doesn't have a traffic light system of lighting or a purple version but you can't have everything.
Jimmy jang Boo A Pentax DSLR will produce K-01 image quality, with better autofocus, a viewfinder and only a relatively small increase in size.
@ Andy
"Jimmy jang Boo A Pentax DSLR will produce K-01 image quality, with better autofocus, a viewfinder and only a relatively small increase in size..."
...For thrice the cost.
@ papi, you have basically stated here like 4x so far that the K-01 is ugly. But is there ANYTHING ELSE you might know about it that you want to share with us? Thanks!
Instead of a studio comparison, when was the last time you held or used a good DSLR? The K01 might be a mirrorless but it does have an APSC sensor. The last time I used an OMD, liked the handling and all but the IQ is over rated, its just near previous 12mpx APSC DSLRs.
Yep not on this planet, maybe in a parallel universe.
It looks like a design concept from the 1980s - I used to have a book called AppleDesign that was full of things like this. The only things missing are some upside-down triangles and the big pastel polygons that Patrick Nagel used to put in his pictures.
They should have handed Marc Newson an old Pentax Spotmatic and told him to make something like that, but smaller, and with a screen on the back. Keep the self-timer level on the front. It would have sold loads.
To be honest I think if they'd ditched the full sized K mount and released the same camera half the thickness with a shallow lens mount and decent selection of compact lenses it would have sold quite well.
Here's proof that while it should be what's on the inside that counts....we're all still hung up on how a camera looks on the outside. This K1 is ugly...and that's why it didn't sell.
There's also plenty of objective things wrong with it - much larger than other mirrorless cameras, larger lenses, poor autofocus speed and poor control placement. By using a full size K mount it had the worst of both worlds - large body and lenses but no PDAF or optical viewfinder.
Beauty is relative. If the K-01 is ugly to you, what is your idea of a currently beautiful camera then?
Face it Anthony. You are throwing a life line to a dead camera.
If you like the looks so much buy them in ten pack for the price you paid for on in a few months.
Yes Anthony...beauty is relative. Relatively speaking the K01 is ugly.....and if you disagree you are in the minority....which is fine....
Beauty is relative to a point. This crosses that IMHO
It is just a toy, who cares its existence.
I can't wait to pick this up for pennies and get paid for the images it produces! ;)
Clients who never saw the camera might be unbiased. Unfortunately, others pick photographers the way they pick cars, business suits, attorneys, or CPAs. The one that mixes pink, green, and yellow loses. However, in the case of the K-01, there is a chance that it's innocent appearance would get better candid or family shots than a "threatening" conventional camera.
Absolutely nothing wrong with this camera at all. I highly recommend picking one up discounted before they vanish. It is a great quality, great results, feels good in the hand and is a solid camera. It is not a DSLR or a pocket camera. Who cares about no viewfinder? The fact that it is discontinued does not mean failure. Some of the biggest and most successful companies have discontinued products and they have done quite well. Kudos to Pentax for trying new designs and concepts. In Japan, the K-01 is seen often on the streets but the Western world has been brainwashed into worshipping all things Canon and Nikon--both flawed camera producers with their own list of failures.
Agree than the canons-nikons have had their own flops, and their own manufacturing defects, like the unfortunate original K-5 sensor stains. There were light leaks on one of the canon dslr's, and the nikon V2 looks like marc newson could have given it some badly needed design help. Disagree that K-01 is in any way ungainly in the hand. It lends itself to a solid grip and thus better viewscreen shooting than anything I've handled. Big enough for a longlasting battery in common with my K-7 and K-5. And rubbish to all the noise about the rubber SD card flap. It's fine.
Buh-bye, Marc Newson brick. The time I tested a K-01, I found it to be heavy, awkward and ungainly in the hand. It felt much less enjoyable to use than competing models from Samsung and especially Panasonic, and even worse than some of Pentax's own entry level dSLRs from a few years ago (see the K-m).
If Pentax is looking for a niche to fill, here's one field entirely to themselves: a truly affordable, prosumer friendly medium format system priced in the $4k range for body and lens. I'd love to bump up to the 645D but the price with a couple of useful lenses would get me a new Kia Rio. Integrate the sensor (32MP or so), license Sony's translucent mirror technology for faster operating, throw in the sharpest OLED viewer available, and Pentax might find thousands of grateful pro shooter rushng to the camera. Just an idea, of course, but lower level consumer camera fields are pretty much played out. (Even a d-medium format rangefinder would be welcome...a la Mamiya 7D, for instance.)
Sad but I felt it was doomed from the start. I hope Pentax did not lose too much money with this K-01. For my part, it was a "hate at first sight" for that camera, but at least was it a nice try to propose something different. I hope that this unfortunate attempt won't prevent camera makers from taking some risks in the future...
great ideas come from some bad ones or so called bad ones and lessons are learnt but only when you put something into production do you realize it was perhaps not the best thing to do...but you take risks and sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. good on pentax for sticking their neck out.
There can only be one!
Hassy is the Highlander of ugly.
Ok, you don't like the looks, and you've been trollin' on that point since the moment the news broke. I think that by now we got the message...
I'm looking forward to live in a world populated by people like you, who like firearms, prefer form over function (and thus can't recognize a good item when they see one), and like to spew ridicule over something just because they don't like it.
I like Pentax. I like the Q even albeit I wish it had a bit larger sensor. It's Marc I'm bashing or trolling. The more we speak out the less likely this does not happen to a good company. Camera companies need to rely on market research and not on a diva designer who obviously knows little about what the market wants. I hate to see Pentax tarnished by such an abomination.
By the way. I am an inventor and a designer by nature and have created products for tge market that have succeeded so I know a little bit about creating products. I hate hate hate when companies tell the market what they should want and what is good. Companies that listen succeed. Look at Fuji for a good example. They are not only listening and improving but innovating in great ways. I dont own any fuji cameras now but have in the past but they have the formula right. Don't create products that nobody wants. The Q is a bit off but its at least close to te mark. This was waaaaaay off and came out of ego and not listening.
I understand what it is that you're saying, and in principle I agree
Things I'd like to add:
1) Q is more of a "toy" than K-01, hell I was reading yesterday about a guy who broke Q lenses by putting on focal converters!
2) K-01 never had ORBS... ;)
Orbs of genius ;)
The orbs thing was a bad patch for Fuji but I'd rather have orbs than this ugly thing lol. I like the Q more in theory than reality but if it was that size with the 1" sensor you would truly have something.
The gold miners have saying. If you want to find gold look where it's been found before. Look to examples of success rather than the name cahé of a non related product designer. Don't tell the market what it should want. Look for a viable market niche and innovation with something that is not hideous at a good value. No system is perfect yet but a few are well on their way.
Please list what they got right with this camera?
It works but what else?
It's a pocketable alternative to a dslr that lets you use K lenses.
It's even better if you consider M lenses as I can't find a Pentax DSLR that has focus peaking = dirty cheap hi-IQ manual focus camera.
You could use a NEX, but the size of the K-to-E adapter negates the small size advantage.
Don't tell me m43, as I consider even 1.5x to be a barely acceptable ratio.
You can't shoot buildings on the other size of the street when you're sightseeing with a 50mm (=75mm fov), they're too close and you can't take a step back 'cause there's a wall behind you.
So you go out with the SMC-M 28mm, which is f/3.5 instead of f/1.7, and it would be a 56mm on a m43, but I digress.
It's a pocketable alternative to a dslr that lets you use K lenses.
What size pants do you have that make that brick pocketable?
It's even better if you consider M lenses as I can't find a Pentax DSLR that has focus peaking = dirty cheap hi-IQ manual focus camera.
You could use a NEX, but the size of the K-to-E adapter negates the small size advantage.
Don't tell me m43, as I consider even 1.5x to be a barely acceptable ratio.
The Metabones speed booster will change this.
You can't shoot buildings on the other size of the street when you're sightseeing with a 50mm (=75mm fov), they're too close and you can't take a step back 'cause there's a wall behind you.
There are a few ultra wide angle lenses to chose from not to mention an adapted lens.
So you go out with the SMC-M 28mm, which is f/3.5 instead of f/1.7, and it would be a 56mm on a m43, but I digress
A gentlemans disagreement but I think the M43 system is great and the Fuji system is verging on it.
You never wear jackets, do you?
I've seen metabone's samples: its quality is definitely not great, it adds bulk, and all this for the cost of another camera.
UW lenses are big or (for M lenses like the 24mm) expensive.
If you're rich then good for you, not everybody on this planet is.
I never said that the m43 system is not good. I said that I have more than enough lenses already, some of which are pretty good, and I don't want to dump more money to buy something I already have, only smaller.
The m43 system doesn't allow me to use my lenses effectively for the purpose I have in mind, APSC and FF do.
Yeah I can see it in a jacket pocket if im wearing a polar jacket. Maybe it could be good in the poles where only the pengins wont laugh or barf when they see this camera.
It's interesting to se that when someone can't substantiate his view with facts they often resort to irony, contempt and offer subjective takes on the matter at hand.
Nice picture - the one with penguins and stuff - though.
All in good taste and humor LB
I am not taking this thread too seriously obviously
Indeed, there are more serious things to worry about IRL ;-)
Thank God that idea has been scrapped now take a leaf out of fuji's design book, I for one would love to see a Pentax K mount designed like an old ME/ME Super. Sepically with all those lovely Ltd lens. Thats what the K-01 should of been nor a stupid designer piece of rubbish.
Thanks Pentax for trying
we love you for it
So the Q outlasts the Newson K-01. Pentax tried to "think outside the box" in both cases. Trouble is, the risks and costs are high, while the odds of payoff are low, in this post-camera era of smart phones.
The K-01's exterior design was never calculated to appeal to codgers, for whom a "camera" must resemble a warty reptile head.
Liquidated discount, the K-01 will be a good option for bargain hunters, with a fair chance of appreciation as a rare-bird collector's favorite. The "toy" appearance has a certain charm. It has an itervalometer.
They were thinking inside the box
The toy box.
How was this original thinking? It is just a pastiche of a traditional SLR design. It's like what a person would draw if they didn't know why an SLR was the shape it was and could not think of anything different, so they just made a bad copy of the original with a nod to all its elements, ignoring why they were there in the first place, whether they were still required.
What sums up the error for me is the vestigial pentaprism hump - they took what was a classic of form-follows-function design and trashed it into retro-pastiche bereft of its underlying purpose - form-follows-history.
Then they threw out all the good bits of SLR design, like an optical viewfinder, and kept all the downsides, like a bulky mirror box (with no mirror in it....).
There is taking creative risks, and then there is sheer idiocy. This falls into the latter category.
What a sad waste of a risk opportunity.
Well said wetsleet.
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Public Information Notice: IMF Executive Board Concludes 2004 Article IV Consultation with Pakistan
December 20, 2004
|Public Information Notices (PINs) are issued, (i) at the request of a member country, following the conclusion of the Article IV consultation for countries seeking to make known the views of the IMF to the public. This action is intended to strengthen IMF surveillance over the economic policies of member countries by increasing the transparency of the IMF's assessment of these policies; and (ii) following policy discussions in the Executive Board at the decision of the Board. The staff report (use the free Adobe Acrobat Reader to view this pdf file) for the 2004 Article IV consultation with Pakistan is also available.
On December 1, 2004 the Executive Board of the International Monetary Fund (IMF) concluded the Article IV consultation with Pakistan.1
Pakistan has successfully emerged from crisis. By 1998/99, foreign exchange reserves had virtually run out, public debt obligations were not being met, and economic growth had slowed to an average of below 3 percent in 1996/97-1998/99. In response, the government and the State Bank of Pakistan (SBP) implemented a strong macroeconomic stabilization program in the face of a severe drought and the adverse post-9/11 environment. These policies are now bearing fruit. Real GDP growth accelerated to 6½ percent in 2003/04 (July-June), driven by exports, investment, and consumption. Inflation has been contained to 4.6 percent in 2003/04, though, more recently, 12-month inflation has accelerated, reflecting supply side factors as well as easy monetary conditions. Foreign exchange reserves have reached 6.2 months of next year's imports of goods and nonfactor services.
Significant fiscal consolidation has been achieved largely by savings on interest payments and increases in revenues. The resulting fiscal space was used to reduce government debt while raising social- and poverty-related spending. In 2003/04, the budget overperformed, and the overall deficit (excluding grants) was limited to 2.4 percent of GDP. Strong revenue collection reflected the buoyant economy and administrative efficiency gains. Support to public enterprises, and particularly power utilities, was reduced, due to better financial performance by these entities.
The SBP has started to tighten monetary policy. Rapid growth of broad money in 2003/04 has been driven predominantly by private sector credit growth in an environment of low interest rates and ample liquidity. In response, the SBP has raised treasury bill cut-off rates in recent months. However, policymakers resisted market pressures to tighten more quickly in an effort to balance their inflation and growth objectives.
The external position remains comfortable. The current account registered a small surplus in 2003/04, despite high imports, reflecting strong domestic demand and rising international oil prices. The government and other entities prepaid some relatively expensive external debt, taking advantage of the favorable exchange rate and reserve inflows. SBP foreign exchange reserves increased to US$10.6 billion at end-June 2004. The real effective exchange rate appreciated somewhat since the beginning of 2004, given inflation differentials with Pakistan's trading partners and efforts by the SBP to smooth exchange rate volatility.
There is no clear evidence yet on poverty trends due to a lack of comparable current data. Encouragingly, per capita GDP has grown significantly. However, real wages in the manufacturing sector have declined by 7½ percent in real terms since 2000/01. Real per capita health expenditure grew on average by 5 percent, and real per capita education expenditure by 10 percent since 1999/00, albeit from low levels. This should at a minimum establish the preconditions for sustained poverty reduction in the future. Pakistan is still ranked low in the 2004 UNDP human development index.
Structural reforms aimed at establishing a modern economy were successful in many areas. The banking sector is more competitive and efficient following restructuring and privatization, as well as the strengthening of supervision and prudential regulations. The revenue system has benefited from administrative reforms, elimination of exemptions, as well as reductions and rationalizations of customs tariffs and tax rates. Pakistan has liberalized its trade regime substantially in recent years, reducing tariffs and removing nontariff barriers, and now has one of the most liberal trade regimes in South Asia. Reforms in the power sector are advancing with the unbundling of the Water and Power Development Authority into generation, transmission, and regional distribution companies.
The role of the state in the economy has diminished and governance has improved. Governance in fiscal and financial management has been strengthened, but weaknesses remain in the energy sector, tax and local administration, and the police. Regulatory agencies to protect the consumer and ensure stability have been established in many areas. However, government intervention continues to be evident in the wheat and cotton markets and in the pricing of petroleum products and electricity, which has undermined the budget.
Executive Board Assessment
Executive Directors noted that Pakistan has successfully recovered from the 1998/99 crisis. Growth has rebounded in 2003/04, and fiscal adjustment, supported by official inflows and debt relief, has led to a substantial improvement in public and external debt indicators. Reflecting strong export growth and remittances, the balance of payments has strengthened and international reserves now cover over five months of imports. Directors attributed Pakistan's recovery to the steadfast implementation of sound economic policies and broad-based structural reforms, while noting that external support has also played a part.
Directors observed that, notwithstanding these significant achievements, poverty remains widespread and social indicators are weak in Pakistan. Thus, they considered that the key policy challenges for the medium term are to maintain strong economic growth and to ensure that this is translated into a significant reduction in poverty. In this regard, Directors supported Pakistan's ambitious growth targets, but cautioned that these would be realized only if the reform agenda laid out in the Poverty Reduction Strategy Paper is fully implemented and external factors are favorable. In particular, Directors emphasized the need for deepening structural reforms to improve the investment climate and governance, including through continued privatization and trade liberalization. At the same time, they noted the importance of enhancing human capital and labor productivity through greater and more efficient spending on health and education. Directors also underscored that accelerating growth will require the continuation of sound macroeconomic policies. They encouraged the authorities to take advantage of the current favorable conditions in pursuing these challenges.
Directors viewed Pakistan's near-term economic outlook as positive. They thought that broad-based growth of over 6 percent could be maintained in 2004/05, and considered the projected shift in the external current account to a small deficit appropriate given Pakistan's development needs. They urged the authorities to resist any pressures for easing financial policies.
Directors commended the authorities on the progress made with fiscal consolidation. They noted, however, that Pakistan's debt burden is still relatively high. In this context, Directors viewed the fiscal policy stance in 2004/05 as appropriate, as it ensures both a further reduction in the public debt burden and an increase in social and development spending. The high oil prices represent an important risk to the budget, however, and Directors stressed that the rise in international oil prices should be passed on to domestic consumers to safeguard fiscal targets.
Directors agreed with the authorities' medium-term fiscal strategy. They welcomed the planned increase in social spending, which they considered a necessary condition to move toward the Millennium Development Goals. Directors emphasized that raising social spending while lowering the still high debt-to-GDP ratio is possible only if the targeted increase in the revenue ratio is realized. In this regard, Directors encouraged the authorities to pursue more ambitious revenue targets and to expand the tax base further into the services and agricultural sectors. Directors expressed concern about the new tax exemptions granted in the 2004/05 budget and urged the authorities to safeguard the integrity of the tax system, which has been strengthened over the last years through hard-earned reforms. Directors also noted that the fiscal strategy calls for subsidies to the energy sector to be reduced significantly. They regretted the recent delays in implementing energy sector reforms and urged the authorities to speed up the reform process, in close coordination with the World Bank.
Directors noted that the provincial and local governments will now have the main responsibility for the provision of social services. This step should, however, be followed up by administrative and financial devolution and also be supported by measures to enhance accountability, so as to enable the lower levels of government to carry out their increased responsibilities more effectively. In this context, and given the lack of recent poverty data, Directors welcomed the launching of recent household surveys that are expected to provide insights into poverty incidence and trends. They also welcomed the authorities' intention to deepen the poverty and social impact analysis of their policies.
Directors considered Pakistan's prospects for achieving external debt sustainability to be good. Key indicators of external indebtedness are projected to decline significantly over the next several years. Nonetheless, given the still high external debt burden and the dependence on external nontax revenues and grants, it will be crucial to limit the budget balance, excluding grants, to about 3 percent of GDP over the medium term, as envisaged in the fiscal strategy.
Directors expressed concern about the increase in inflation over the past year. They welcomed the recent increase in interest rates, but urged the authorities to tighten monetary policy promptly and more forcefully to avoid inflationary expectations becoming entrenched. They recommended that monetary policy be focused primarily on maintaining low inflation. Directors noted that a further tightening of monetary policy will also alleviate recent pressures on the exchange rate. Directors considered the level of the real exchange rate to be broadly appropriate, but noted that external competitiveness needs to be monitored closely in view of the uncertainties facing Pakistan, particularly stemming from the removal of quotas on textile and clothes imports by industrial countries. Directors emphasized that competition-enhancing structural reforms are the most effective approach to maintaining Pakistan's competitiveness.
Directors were of the view that financial reforms have resulted in a more efficient and resilient financial system. However, they cautioned that banking supervision needs to be vigilant to ensure that rapid private sector credit growth does not weaken banks' balance sheets. Directors encouraged the authorities to continue their reform strategy and follow up on recommendations of the Financial System Stability Assessment, including strengthening the pension and insurance system. Moreover, Directors urged the authorities to divest remaining public ownership of commercial banks. Directors looked forward to the early passage of new anti-money laundering legislation in line with international standards.
Directors welcomed the authorities' efforts to improve the quality, timeliness, and reporting of data and Pakistan's participation in the General Data Dissemination System. They looked forward to further steps to address weaknesses that hamper the analysis of economic and social developments to further improve Pakistan's statistics, with a view to subscribing to the Special Data Dissemination Standard.
The Staff Report for the 2004 Article IV Consultation with Pakistan is also available.
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Administration Building (Hatfield Campus, University of Pretoria)
[edit] Significance
The building shows traces of Neo-Brutalism and is shaped like a ship – hence the student nickname of Die Skip (The Ship). The north-western façade of the building comprises an intricate relief mural which adds texture to the otherwise unadorned concrete wall.
[edit] Current known heritage status
[edit] Possible interested and affected parties
- University of Pretoria.
- Department of Architecture, University of Pretoria.
- Pretoria Institute for Architecture.
[edit] History
In 1965 it was decided to construct a new administration building and UP alumnus Brian Sandrock was commissioned to do the design. He designed an interesting three-cornered, star-shaped building which was completed in 1968. By 1973 additional office space was required and Sandrock was again commissioned to design a wing to the east of the building. Construction on this wing began in 1979 and was completed in 1986. The wing includes the offices of the Principal, Council Chambers and the Senate Hall. Sandrock later commented that there was no symbolism behind the design and that it was simply the result of doodling in plaster of Paris late at night while he worked on the model of the building.
[edit] Description of site and/or structures and/or interior spaces
The site elicited a delta-form plan, with a windowless 'prow' projecting out towards the junctions of Lynnwood and University Roads. Through the heart of the delta a double-volume hall rises, where students conduct their administrative affairs. This is light-filled, with finely-detailed counters and fittings, and rough-hewn quartzite floor tiling - one of Sandrock's more successful spatial inventions (and possibly a tribute to Alewyn Burger, then head of the School of Architecture, who was project architect). A spiral stair coils up at the prow, grandly conceived but lost in the tight space, leading up into the remote and sombre halls of the rectorate. The whole speaks of another time and another order.
The office accommodation soon proved inadequate as the bureaucracy burgeoned, and the office wing was extended to the east, compounding the labyrinthine extent of passages. The northern façade shows the concern with sun penetration, which is a trademark of Pretoria architecture: deep-set windows with brise-soleil devices, in this case a set of suspended horizontal louvers. In the south the banded windows are flush with the façade and take the corner to emphasize the structural daring of suspended concrete spandrel bands.
As with most buildings in this climate conducive to lush growth, the starkness of the block has been softened by trees, shrubs and creepers. But it still declares its status, announcing that design and control have captured even this remote corner of the campus that was once little more than a dumping site.
[edit] Links
- Administration Building collection on UPSpace
- Administration Building Sketchup model
- Campus Building Guide
- Chapter about New Brutalism and the Administration Building
[edit] Sources
- Fisher, R.C. 2008. The Native Heart: The Architecture of the University of Pretoria Campus. Pretoria: UPSpace
- University of Pretoria. 2008. Campus Building Guide. Pretoria: UPSpace


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One injured in Carbon crash
One person was injured in a two vehicle crash in Carbon County that occurred on Thursday. It was one of several crashes investigated by state police at Fern Ridge.
Troopers said the Carbon crash occurred along SR903 at Old Stage Road, in Penn Forest Township. Troopers said John Napoline, 16, of Jim Thorpe, was northbound with Amy Statkiewicz, 32, of Wilkes-Barre, behind him. Napoline started to turn right onto Old Stage and then traveled back onto 903. Napoline's 1997 Chrysler Sebring struck Statkiewicz's 2008 Kia Rio, troopers said.
Statkiewicz was injured and taken to the Blue Mountain Health Systems Gnaden Huetten Campus, Lehighton, for treatment of a back injury. Napoline was not injured, troopers added. The Kia had to be towed from the scene.
Troopers investigated a crash about 6:58 p.m. on Sunday, Oct. 25, along Interstate 80 in East Side Boro, Carbon County. Troopers said Dolores M. Sotack, 72, of Weatherly, slowed down and her 2005 Honda Odyssey was struck in the rear by a 1999 Chevrolet Extended cab van driven by Ricky D. Coxe, 47, of White Haven.
Troopers said Sotack sustained a minor injury in the mishap but did not require medical attention.
A one vehicle accident occurred about 5:46 p.m. on Wednesday, Oct. 28, along I80 in Tunkhannock Township, Monroe County. Troopers said Christopher G. Hindson, 28, of Blakeslee, was westbound when a deer entered the road in front of his 2004 Honda CRV. The Honda struck the deer with its front end. Hindson was not injured but the vehicle had to be towed from the scene.


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Christine McVie 70th Birthday Tribute
On the occasion of Christine McVie's 70th birthday, Rosemary Welsch and Cindy Howes discuss her impressive career and share some of her best Fleetwood Mac songs on The Morning Mix.
Christine McVie is one of the more underrated songwriters in music. Fleetwood Mac was fortunate to have the likes of Christine McVie, Stevie Nicks, Peter Green, and many other great songwriters come and go throughout the years. "It was an amazing of array of people who came and went in that band. So songwriting has always been the key to what makes that band so great," states Welsh.
Cindy asked Rosemary Welsh to select some of her favorite Fleetwood Mac songs in honor of Christine McVie's birthday. Rosemary's first selection is "Come a Little Bit Closer" off the album Heroes Are Hard to Find. "I'm going to go back to an album before Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham joined the band. This was back when Bob Welch and Christine McVie were the main songwriters in the band."
Although it was McVie's keyboard that helped give Fleetwood Mac it's unique sound, she did not start out on the keys. "She originally started as a bass player. When she was in college and it was the early sixties, blues-rock was the huge thing. The first band she was ever in was a blues band. She was a real anomaly, a woman bass player in an all male blues rock back. She was out there on her own. Later on she went into another band and they wanted her to be a keyboard player. She had never played the keyboard so they gave her a bunch of records. She was listening to Freddy King records and he had a great piano player named Sonny Thompson. And that's how she learned to play, it was with blues. Now she took it way beyond that and made it a signature sound. That's the foundation of her keyboard playing, is from Sonny Thompson."
For her second selection, Rosemary chose the song "Songbird" from the album Rumours. "Fleetwood Mac, when it was touring with Rumours, would always end with this song. They did this for many years. By that point in time their [John and Christine's] relationship had died, he [John McVie] would stand on the side of the stage and he would cry when the song was played" explains Welsh.
A lot of people are unaware of McVie's solo release, Christine Perfect, Perfect was her maiden name. Cindy and Rosemary wrap up this "Guest DJ" set with a discussion of Christine McVie's songwriting ability. Rosemary comments on the career of Christine McVie, "As you look at what she's done with her career it would be hard to top what she's done. [She is] such a good songwriter and somebody who never really sought out the limelight."