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Church group plans protest at Pres. Hinckley's funeral
writersblock_25 San Antonio, TXJune 13, 2011 5:16 p.m.
I just gained slightly more respect for LDS Pres. Gordon Hinckley.
VinnieAug. 1, 2010 1:12 p.m.
All this Anti Mormon protest is nothing but religion bashing in my view and is not Christian. They should be more Christ like and stop bashing in other religions. This defently goes to Evangelicals
was thereFeb. 10, 2008 2:39 p.m.
Just a heads up, I was actually able to attend the funeral live procedings live. None of my friends or I saw any protestors on site, nor were there any shown on the videos of the funeral procession to the cemetary.
what is their problem?Feb. 4, 2008 12:36 p.m.
how can they parade around and say that God hates this and God hates that when truely God hates no one. Im sure many believe that God hates these people but i know he is up in Heaven weeping over how misled these people are and how lost they are. Im no Prophet but this kind of hate saddens our Father in Heaven and we should not hate these people. as Jesus has said, " As I Have Loved You, Love One Another."
Arizona friendFeb. 4, 2008 7:50 a.m.
Some days I wish we had a "Freedom From Speech" amendment. I would defend their right to speak, but I would preserve my right not to have to listen to them. And I respect the reciprocol of that too. You don't have to listen to what say, either.
an LDS saintFeb. 3, 2008 10:47 p.m.
Ironically, President Hinckley, the person they're bashing, will implore us to be at least tolerant and at most, to love these people.
silverbearFeb. 3, 2008 5:50 p.m.
I agree let's show the the Mormon way. Let's feed them and add some hot chocolate. What does the Bible say and Jesus Christ say; forgive for they no not what they do.
did this happen?Feb. 3, 2008 3:11 p.m.
The media covered the funeral proceedings. We were all more interested in President Hinckley. So I don't know if these people even demonstrated, did they?
beckyFeb. 3, 2008 1:16 p.m.
To all LDS:
Let us ignore all these evil protests against the church, leaders and the Gospel ...Just remember, these are the same type of taunts, disrespect and name calling from those people who crucified the Lord. They can not accept the truth...These are people who are proud and ignorant who doesn't know what humility is and strongly refused to listen the Gospel and the teachings of Jesus Christ. They would rather please Satan but subtly do it in the name of our Lord to get more people.
Remember, during the time when prophet Gordon Hinckley was called to be a leader in his early callings, the membership were only 500,000...Anti-mormons and mormon bashings mushroomed several years later that made people curious to know more about the church..The result--we now have 13 million members..In a way, these protests helps increase the membership of the church--makes people want to listen to the missionaries. Let's pray for those protesters that they would continue -- to enable those humble souls to open doors for the missionaries and to listen the true Gospel and be baptized.
Protest too muchFeb. 3, 2008 12:50 p.m.
Methinks they doth protest too much.
Mountain HighFeb. 3, 2008 11:57 a.m.
After viewing the Youtube sight "The Most Hated Family in America," I can only say that the premis of Jesus asking anyone in the mob, "Let Him who is without sin, cast the first stone;" was most certainly way over the heads of this group. Something so simple......but yet so least understood for these blinded obscure beings..
Trying to explain the difference between the "Old Law of Moses" and the "New and Everlasting Covenent," which Jesus ushered in during his ministry and sealed with his atoning blood, would be asking too much for this group to remotely understand. The sacrifices of so many good men and women seem so wasted on idividuals so lost as to put their hate into song and teach it to their own children. They fail to realize that God also had Hatemongers high on his list of dispises.
ANYBODY KNOWS THATFeb. 3, 2008 11:54 a.m.
There is such a thing as funeral etiquette. Even the God of every religion on earth, or no religion at all understands that.This group should not have ever been given any newspaper space at all. Don't reward rude behavior with attention.
JeffFeb. 3, 2008 10:49 a.m.
It is hard at times to understand and be all forgiving with these kinds of "whatever they are"...This MAN surely believed in his Lord and His teachings...I can only do the same...It is hard to be kind towards them, but I have to be.
ButchFeb. 3, 2008 10:36 a.m.
And this is Christiany????
AnonymousFeb. 3, 2008 8:00 a.m.
May these folks humble themselves and learn sound doctrine.
TrinaFeb. 3, 2008 1:57 a.m.
People of low intelligence and high level of hatred rarely understand what civility and compassion have to do with proper behavior.
ArmyFeb. 2, 2008 11:29 p.m.
This just breaks my heart, not only for our dear President Hinckley, but for all of those soldiers who died protecting their First Amendment Rights. My husband is in the Army, and I would be proud of the sacrifice our family would make for this country.
LDS IN AZFeb. 2, 2008 11:03 p.m.
BMACLVSPREZHINCKLEY you are absolutely right. That is what the prophet would do. The scriptures tell us that there must be opposition in all things. How wonderful it is to know that Christ lives, is our Savior and Redeemer. Alma the younger was much like those demonstrators. Imagine if the Lord works in their hearts in the same manner as he did young Alma. May President Hinckley legacy live in each one of us.
Las VeganFeb. 2, 2008 11:03 p.m.
"Agree with thine advesary quickly, whilst thou art in the way, lest he turn and rend thee again."
D & C. Section 19 tells us not to revile the revilers.
I don't have this quote exactly but it goes something like this.
"Hate does not hurt the one on whom it is poured,
rather in the one it is stored."
Another. If we have hate in our heart, we might be looking for someone, or something to use it on.
Paul GibbsFeb. 2, 2008 10:53 p.m.
As a member of the LDS Church who loves President Hinckley, I want to thank these protesters for publicly announcing that we and our beloved Prophet are true, loving, tolerant Christians, and nothing like them.
I feel sorry for these protesters.What they sadly don't understand, and President Hinckley spent his earthly life teaching, was that God the Father and his son Jesus Christ love EVERYONE.
BronxNYFeb. 2, 2008 7:39 p.m.
As i read these comments about this protest, which I find dispicable, I wondered what the LDS Church leader would have said or thought. I am not sure but I do recall that he never rediculed, never critized and never waivered in being a Christian and loving everyone. I know many wonderful Baptist people and this group does not represent Christian principles or the Baptist churches. It is a misguided group that does not need any attention, just prayers.
Non-LDS respect for the ProphetFeb. 2, 2008 7:20 p.m.
It disturbs me that anybody would protest at a person's funeral. Out of all the times that you could protest, a funeral just seems like the wrong time.
I'm not LDS so I think my odds of seeing Gordon B. Hinckley in heaven are slim. If I had a choice in the matter, I'd sure love it if I did see him and I could sit and have long conversations with that amazing man. Everything I saw about the man exuded class, honesty, love and integrity.
I've said for the longest time that there are certain LDS members who I've truly admired over the years. One of them is Gordon B. Hinckley, another is Ken Jennings, and last and definitely not least Salt Lake Tribune humor Columnist Robert Kirby.
God Bless Gordon B. Hinckley and all the members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. I look forward to the new Prophet of the Church as I have fond memories for the man Gordon B. Hinckley who truly made the State of Utah and the World a better place.
BobFeb. 2, 2008 6:57 p.m.
Were the Westboro protestors also supporting Huckabee?
Stormin mormonFeb. 2, 2008 6:53 p.m.
just do what president hinckley would have done...said to them..."I Love You" they are our brothers and sisters, they have just been led astray and will one day know the truth when judgement day rolls around, just ignore their words and believe our's follow the prophet, heed to his words, love everyone, forgive everyone, dont critisize the actions of others, yes what they are doing is wrong and disrespectful, but they are still our family
Phil, Corona CA.Feb. 2, 2008 6:45 p.m.
I am a Christian, not Mormon. We love you and send our deepest compassion for the loss of your president. We are sorry to hear of this group protesting at the funeral and feel it is a unloving thing to do, and do not recognize this as true ministry.
We pray for your healing as you seek the true Jesus of the bible for comfort, as he is our only comfort.
As a christian, I often take time to make friends with the mormon community to reach out with the love of Christ. I stand in front of the temple from time to time handing out tracts and greeting people, I do not join in with the "street preachers". It is my duty as a practicing christian to share the gospel with all people and defend truth as it is writen in the bible. My calling is simple. 2tim 2:24-26
We will continue to pray for utah and the mormon community as they mourn.
Try to be nice to me next time you see me handing you a tract. Love and Respect.
urronerFeb. 2, 2008 5:09 p.m.
I am a member of the Church and live in the South and I have had several Baptists tell me passionately that the protesters aren't members of their church and that they truly disagree rather strongly with what the Westboro Baptist Church does. Please don't point fingers at members of your local Baptist churches and lump them with members of the WBC.
AnonymousFeb. 2, 2008 4:52 p.m.
When a young solider from my hometown was killed word got around that protesters would be at his funeral, so my hometown showed up, in support and sympathy for this soliders family that the protesters did not have the guts to show their faces.
President Hinkley was a wonderful man of God. God loved him very much, President Hinkley loved everyone it did not matter to him if people were church members or not, he loved us all. Even the protesters, he was respectful, and encourged us all to be respectful of others, however you would never see him encourging any church members to protest outside their churches, or stating they will burn in hell.
We were lucky to have a great Man like President Hinkley.
People like those that protest about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, only strengthen us and reconfirm how true the church is
audraFeb. 2, 2008 4:43 p.m.
Funny how as an LDS people we would NEVER stand outside the funeral of the Pope or some other Church's leader & chant and yell disrepectful things. Let's show some respect people! Believers or Not. Christians or Not. How about just Common Courtesy? So sad!
russFeb. 2, 2008 4:08 p.m.
To No One of Consequence: couldn't have said it better. Thanks for laying it out there.
coFeb. 2, 2008 3:40 p.m.
I would just like to say, that our Prophet was loved, kind, sharing and was a morman to not just mormans but to everyone. It truly shows you the true church of christ, a church that does no harm, but shows everyone the feeling of beening loved and have a wonderful, devoted prophet to lead the way. I know that 20 people protesting will never stop the love our nations to our prophet. They may try and take us down with them or slay us like david and glyath, but there is nothing you can do it you dont truly believe in what you are fighting for. I know that those people out there fighting and protesting at our prophets funeral really belive in god. I know that there are people that will be protesting that will be hiding in the back of the group ashamed. And our church will walk out with our heads held high knowing that our prophet is the TRUE word of god and no one will ever stop our gods army. Rest in peace our beloved president hinkley you truly are a gift from god, thank you for your dedication, your wife has been waiting!
NonbelieverFeb. 2, 2008 3:10 p.m.
This church has to be the most reprehensible organization ever. I am not a Mormon, indeed I'm atheist, but I happened to think a lot of Hinckley. I came a long way from agreeing with him on many things, but he seemed like a descent man who wanted to do right by his followers and the world. If there were a God, surely he would accept a man like that, no matter what religion he belonged to.
Helmsdeep(81)Feb. 2, 2008 2:44 p.m.
They've had their 15 minutes in the light of day and I for one will not be bothered one way or the other. My prayers be with Pres. Hinkley, his family and to the church thoughout the world. We mourn his loss but will remember and celebrate the tremendous life of great service he rendered to all of mankind ....even to the least of these who did not know him.
CJFeb. 2, 2008 2:45 p.m.
As a vet and a non-Mormon, although I disagree with these people, I served so they might have the right to disagree. I hope I didn't make a mistake.
I think Mr. Hinckley would agree with me. He certainly taught tolerence to those of all faiths and those with none.
OIF Veteran SLCFeb. 2, 2008 2:23 p.m.
I am a veteran of the war in Iraq, as well as a member of the LDS church. I lost many friends while I was deployed, and one thing that they all had in common was an overwhelming sense of pride and love for our country. A country founded on personal and religious freedom. And as for President Hinkley's funeral... The thought that people would feel the need to detract from a service in the memory of a man who dedicated his life to making the world a better place, helping those in need, and sacrificing all in the service of others and of our father in heaven is unthinkable. In a time when there is so much darkness throughout the world, I feel deep sadness for individuals who feel the need to attack people's faith. Surely there must be things more worthy protest!
Carol SueFeb. 2, 2008 2:27 p.m.
I am proud to be a member of the Church of Latter Day Saints, a forgiving Church. Sad that this Baptist Church is teaching thier followers to hate another. The Military...and the LDS church. I believe it is wrong to talk bad about any other church. I believe all churches have some truth in them. May our heavenly father open their hearts, and their minds one day...very soon. My heart sinks for our prophets passing..but it also sings, because I know he is watching and I feel him telling me to not be sad, to rejoice in his passing, for his work was well done. Blessing to All, LDS or not.
A DEVOTED FAN OF PRESIDENT HINCKFeb. 2, 2008 1:43 p.m.
cacheFeb. 2, 2008 1:18 p.m.
It's sad this group doesn't realize that their actions only reflect poorly on themselves, not the group or individual they are protesting.
BlakeFeb. 2, 2008 12:29 p.m.
I am by no means a member of the LDS faith, but stories like this make my skin crawl. Just so everyone knows, this is what it feels like for the soldiers families as well. This group constantly protests at gay pride parades, funerals and any other occasion.
Nothing comes close to the horrible thing they are doing today. However, next time you think of "protesting" someone else, either in your own head, or by voting for someone that doesn't support gay rights...remember how this feels.
MaryFeb. 2, 2008 10:54 a.m.
I checked out this group's website. They are also protesting the arrival of the Pope, events at the Catholic church in California, Hollywood award shows, and several more military funerals. What I also found interesting is that they have 4-5 protests all on the same day and at the same moment as President Hinckley's funeral. So, I would venture to say that their 'group' will be very small in size. Give them the respect that they deserve (none), and the attention that they deserve (none), and completely ignore all that they say. Their website clearly shows a group full of general hate for everything that they come across. Only Satan could instill that much hate into a life that only God could create.
AnonymousFeb. 2, 2008 10:45 a.m.
I usually don't care when these people protest at General Conference and other church events. I just ignore them. But to protest at this funeral is completely rude and ridiculous. How would they like it if there was protestors at a funeral for someone they loved and cared about? President Hinckley is truly a prophet of God. He lived a great life and blessed many people.
SharonFeb. 2, 2008 10:43 a.m.
Although I personally feel disgusted with anyone that would protest at anyone's funeral, I can almost hear in my mind, President Hinckley telling us to not speak bad about any religion. He supported the First Amendment and everyone's right to speak their mind. I doubt that this protest would really even faze him. If anything, he would say that this will only end up being in favor of the church.
President Hinckley truly was the "People's Prophet;" he was the Prophet of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints; he was my prophet. I knew him - I shook his hand, and I was honored to stand in line for nearly 4 hours yesterday to pay my last respects. I love this man and I shall miss him greatly.
I hope that these protestor's will somehow be able to feel the strong spirit that will be in the atmosphere today as we bury our dear Prophet.
My love and sympathy, and my prayers are with his family this day as their lay their father, grandfather, uncle....to rest.
emmaFeb. 2, 2008 10:22 a.m.
I find the actions of the Westboro Baptist Church reprehensible. Even so, free speech should be allowed, even if offensive to some or even many. A good solution would be a group of Mormons singing hymns across the street or near this group.
Recently, a female in the group was interviewed on television and was questioned as to why she would be so judgmental when she was the mother of two illegitimate children. The hypocrisy was incredible. Most amusing was her rapid change in demeanor. You can probably google or youtube the interview.
DisappointedFeb. 2, 2008 10:23 a.m.
Sad. Using the pain of others to get their fame. President Gordon B. Hinkley immulated the Savior in everything he did and, in my opinion, protesting his life is like protesting what the Savior stood for. They need to ask themselves, "What would Jesus Do?". Christ would never disrupt the mourning of others but have compassion for them and would not be pleased with others doing so in his name.
Wendy RojasFeb. 2, 2008 10:15 a.m.
I think it's remarkable that President Hinckley's message was "Standing for Something." Today it will be evident what these protesters stand for. Let us all "Stand a little taller," as President Hinckley said, and leave them alone to gnash their teeth and clench their fists in attempts to draw anger out of us. When all is said and done, it will be our actions and our words of kindness what will separate us from the angry mobs.
BARRYFeb. 2, 2008 10:18 a.m.
Just think our Prophet is with his Wife and our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.He is also with all OF THE TRUE AND FAITHFUL PROPHETS FROM ADAM TIL NOW!
"Do what is right let the consequence follow"
BobFeb. 2, 2008 9:43 a.m.
I am sure that the "god" worshipped by these few deluded souls is NOT God the Father or his Son. They worship another hateful, vengeful god. A fallen angel driven from heaven.
LyleFeb. 2, 2008 9:33 a.m.
The WBC protesters are clearly wanting their 15 minutes of fame. Otherwise, they would not be doing this. Popping up in a community to create controversy will do nothing for them in the long run. It is my hope that those in attendance of the Prophet's funeral heed the advise of the local leaders and pay no attention to them.
As a reminder, everything has an opposite. Light and darkness, truth and deceit...These things have always and will always be at war with one another. Light and truth will undoubtedly prevail.
Vegas EdFeb. 2, 2008 9:25 a.m.
Poor people. The Rev. Jim Jones comes to mind. Just blind to picket at funerals and other religious occasions. WWJD is what many other religions use. Obviously not this.
It's not against the law to look stupid.
BrianFeb. 2, 2008 9:23 a.m.
Shouldn't we be dissappointed if the evil Phelps group didn't show up? Pres. Hinckley is in good company when we look at who else Phelps protests. I think it is a good sign, further confirming that Pres Hinckley did the right things throughout his life. Protest away!!!
NC LDSFeb. 2, 2008 8:59 a.m.
By their fruits ye shall know them. Where your heart is there be your treasure. Let them show who they really are.
AnonymousFeb. 2, 2008 8:47 a.m.
The strongest possible message is to ignore them.
Candace SalimaFeb. 2, 2008 7:56 a.m.
The Westboro Baptist Church is proving how incredibly insensitive and evil they have become. First they protest at the funerals of our fallen soldiers, which is reprehensible, at best! But to bring their lying, wagging tongues to the funeral of our beloved prophet who only reached out to all faith which maintain the standard which the Lord expect of him is beyond the pale.
I support the First Amendment, I do. But I equate the actions of the Westboro Baptist Church with those of Larry Flynt at Hustler Magazine. You're take a right and a privilege and abusing it.
Mormons fled the Midwest in the mid 1840's due the licentious, murderous behavior of its citizens and established a safe haven in the mountains of Utah. Leave us alone. Go back to your little town where hate reigns supreme and let people of God mourn the passing of one of His most valiant and beloved servants.
SparkyVAFeb. 2, 2008 6:46 a.m.
Many heckled Christ on the cross, we should remember His words: Father forgive them for they know not what they do.
Amanda from MOFeb. 2, 2008 6:37 a.m.
I don't know how anyone (including above mentioned Westboro) can call this group a "church." A church is not supposed to encourage hate. They don't agree with homosexuality? So what? That doesn't mean they should be out there protesting at funerals (the Prophet's, a fallen soldier's, or anyone else's-may they rest in peace). I am LDS, a couple of my friends came out of the closet, and my sister is gay. There is no way I could hate these people: I love them very much. Just ignore this group of haters.
cjpFeb. 2, 2008 6:27 a.m.
Best thing that we can do is ignore these protesters in the media --- thats what they are there for.
why botherFeb. 2, 2008 6:19 a.m.
Since we as LDS believe in faith in the Lord and repentance as the two fundamental beliefs guiding actions, 1)the prejudices of protesters wouldn't register because the Lord is the kind forgiving judge of everyone, and 2)if a person is concerned about their own errors of ommission or commission and is trying a little every day to overcome them, there would be no reason to be concerned with the actions of others, (other than to try and help them).
I hope that everyone in Utah has a great day honoring Pres. Hinckley.
MidwesternerFeb. 2, 2008 5:58 a.m.
Our founding fathers granted us the right to practice our religous beliefs. Jesus even gave us strenght to turn the other cheek when our less than admimoral fellow man acts disgracefully toward each other. But their comes a time even when God turned the other cheek to get it slapped hard and said no more. It is one thing to practice religous freedom and another to practice a way to insight a riot. Westboro Baptist Church should be shut down by the Baptist Ministry for it they can not control one of their own. All I am saying is if he keeps up something bad is going to happen all in the name of Religous Freedoms.
mamaspudFeb. 2, 2008 3:04 a.m.
Those that try to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ do not condemn others. None of us are in a position to judge anyone else and determine whether they will go to heaven or hell. That is God's right. He knows us and what is in our hearts. I feel sorry for those that choose to behave in a way that is contrary to the teachings of Jesus Christ. He shunned no one. He spent his time with those that were poor, needy and those that stood in need of a friend. He did not spend his time condemning or belittling people. He spent his time lifting, loving and encouraging people. He loved all. People are human and as such we make poor choices. To be unkind to anyone or judge them is not Christ-like and should be avoided at all costs. Life is to short to harbor ill feelings or hatred. Our job as humans is to serve and love all those that we come in contact with, no matter what they may be believe. God created us all and loves us all the same. President Hinckley set a good example. So did Jesus Christ.
MARIVIC IFURUNG-KIMFeb. 2, 2008 3:08 a.m.
it hurts to read negative comments to our late prophet hinckley but i know those religions who have negative comments are instuments of satan i know and i beleive that pres.hinckley is a true prophet and that the THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS is the only true and living church upon the face of a whole earth
anonymousFeb. 2, 2008 1:59 a.m.
For the few peole who say that the LDS people think we are the only ones going to heaven, how wrong you are. If you knew anything about the LDS church you would know that thats not true. Thats why you yourselves need to study and try to understand the priciples taught in the LDS church. Dont just go along with the crowd. Study it for yourself then pray about it and make a descision. God loves everyone! Not just Mormons. Do we believe that this is the true church, absolutely! Do we believe that Gordon B. Hinckley is a prophet of God, absolutely! God is the same yesterday, today and forever so why would he not continue to have prophets on the earth today? Do we believe that other faiths are going to hell, absolutely NOT! Did you ever here Pres Hinckley say that no. The members of this church may not always do what is right or maybe even hypocritical at times, Jesus Christ said, "I am well pleased with the church collectively but not indivdually." I love Gordon B. Hinckley. I am sure he has heard the phrase well done thou good and faithful servant.
BrianFeb. 2, 2008 1:34 a.m.
Bet there won't be any people taking the time to protest their funerals when their time comes!
JREFeb. 2, 2008 1:31 a.m.
The best way to handle this and honor President Hinckley at the same is to treat these protestors as he would have treated them--probably with a quiet smile and not an ounce of anger directed at them. Hate or anger demonstrated against these people only sinks us to a lower level.
Don Harryman, Jr.Feb. 2, 2008 12:00 a.m.
The demonstration by Fred Phelps and his followers at President Hinckley's funeral is revolting and incomprehensible. One has to wonder if the LDS community will gain any understanding from this situation. This is exactly the kind of hatred regularly visited upon homosexuals by the LDS Church and its members.
small townerFeb. 2, 2008 12:06 a.m.
I agree with Some Guy from Out West: If we give them food and something warm to drink (something for each hand maybe), then they'll have to put down their signs. ;) Just keep the hospitality flowing! Besides, who knows when a heart can be turned. Just ask Saul, Alma Sr, Alma Jr, etc.
just someoneFeb. 1, 2008 11:14 p.m.
I just hope that we as citizens of this great state, as well as any visitors coming to celebrate the life of President Hinckley will keep our heads and not let any of our reactions bring embarrassment to ourselves. Let these attention seeking folks have their moment, but don't let it become yours!
No one of ConsequenceFeb. 1, 2008 9:47 p.m.
Lest I sound like a hypocrite, I'm making this comment because 342 people before me have already commented. But perhaps one of the worst things we can do is to give this group the attention they so badly crave.
First off, they're not a church. This is exactly the type of group that causes so many agnostics/irreligious to be turned off by all religion, and to associate religion with evil and wicked judgment. They are no more Christian (or Baptists, for that matter) than they are a group of dandelions. They might as well call themselves 'wheelbarrows' and people would associate wheelbarrows with evil. But they can call themselves whatever they want, just as they can protest and make obscene scenes (ha!) almost where-ever they want.
The worst thing the media does is cover their agenda. Seriously, stop reporting this. As if groups like this needed any more fodder for bickering, contention, pathetic attention and infantile whining. Yet we have semi-major newspapers, media outlets reporting about them. Ignore them, just as the 30,000 funeral-attenders and supports will do Saturday, and every day for the rest of their lives.
star2328Feb. 1, 2008 9:31 p.m.
There couldn't be a better tribute to the only true church on the face of the earth than Satan's minions rejoicing over the death of one of the
Prophets of God! God Bless Gordon B. Hinckley! He
lived great and has died great!
don't understand ???Feb. 1, 2008 8:56 p.m.
don't understand why some of these comments are posted while other that say the esentially same thing
are not poated...
This is for those who make those decisions.
What is the crieteria? no url's no offensive words, definitely on topic...
What goes??
JackieFeb. 1, 2008 7:01 p.m.
Being a baptist myself, reading this disturbs me!! I have, never in my life, been ashamed of my religion until now. This IS NOT the way I feel and saying I'm upset is an understatement.
RIP Pres. Hinkley
Find Common GroundFeb. 1, 2008 6:30 p.m.
I'm so confused. We dislike homosexuals as much as they do? Why are they protesting us?
Henry DrummondFeb. 1, 2008 5:27 p.m.
Staging a vulgar demonstration may be free speech but is that enough to make it newsworthy?
They're patheticFeb. 1, 2008 5:21 p.m.
"I'm sure that Pres. Hinckley experienced many protesters at every temple dedication he attended."
It's true. I know some of these temple protesters, and they take pride in being "persecuted" by the people they're trying to "save" (i.e. the Mormons). Don't add fuel to their fire, don't try to be nice (google "Most Hated Family In America" and watch the video about them - they're pure, pure evil and meanness to passersby), and remember how powerless they are compared with our numbers. And be grateful you weren't born into that messed-up Phelps family. I pray for their children, that more will escape the clutches of their evil forebears.
ED PulaskiFeb. 1, 2008 5:22 p.m.
This group -westboro baptist - has disrespected multiple funerals and are spreading hate and lies.
It is not illegal what they are doing. Just like it is not illegal for opposing groups to ride on motorcycles with extremely large banners praising President Hinckley. Or to make large Angel wings to open and obscure the hateful protestors. No words have to be passed. Simply apply for areas directly adjacent to the protestors and encapsulate them and surround them with positive signs and banners that drown out their hateful messages and posters. It is occuring at Soldiers funeral and other places these individuals are protesting. In Denver Harley riding motor clubs attach big American Flags to motorcycles and drive around the westboro protestors totally obscuring them.
I know President Hinckley is not in Hell and he was a good loving man and the LDS Church has served Millions of people with aid world-wide. Too bad the westboro baptists don't serve some poor people throughout the world instead of doing something so hateful and Anti-Christ like.
TroyFeb. 1, 2008 5:10 p.m.
As a gay man, I want to express my sympathy with the LDS Church and the attendees at President Hinckley's funeral. Fred Phelps has been viciously targeting our community for years. We know how it feels to be on the receiving end of persecution. No one deserves to be the targets of such hate. On this, the gays stand in solidarity with the Latter-Day Saints.
AnonymousFeb. 1, 2008 4:18 p.m.
Granted what happend on 9-11 was devasting to our hearts and to our country, but to say it was a hate crime from God is completely stupid. I believe in God but I am not really religious. I have been to a LDS chruch actually many of them and my best friend and her family is LDS. They are very welcoming and caring people. Granted some of their beliefs I dont agree with but thats fine. I remember going to services and hearing about President Hinckley. I feel for his family losing a brother, son, husband and father. My prayers go out to them while they see these protestors on the corner near his funeral saying awful things just because they have different views. If everyone is the same in this world it would be quite boring. I think the differences in beliefs between my friend and I are why we are so close. I work in a health facility where it is Catholic based and we have mass everyday. These protestors are wasting their time by standing on the street corner and saying awful things about this man and is mourning family.
snowd-inFeb. 1, 2008 4:09 p.m.
Maybe the local missionaries and/or faithful LDS members should seize the opportunity and hand out the best book ever written - The Book of Mormon!!!
bvmeadowFeb. 1, 2008 4:00 p.m.
John 11:35 Jesus wept.
We all need to pray for these individuals, they need to learn to know the Savior, and they are in need of all of our prayers. I weep for them.
to: EmmaFeb. 1, 2008 3:32 p.m.
(Emma 10:31 am), you must not be reading the same comments I am. The overwhelming majority of the comments are about keeping the peace and ingnoring the protest. I'm surprised more aren't about "taking them out." I'm actually very pleased with the sanity and muturity of 99% of those that have commented. Maybe you should read a few more comments.
AUSTRALIAFeb. 1, 2008 3:36 p.m.
We thank thee O God for a Prophet to guide us in these latter-days...for we are indeed in the living in the last dispensation of time.. we are witnessing all that we knew and know 'to come to pass' we are witnessing an era where the very standards and principles that are being attacked, are the very ones we must live... my fellow sisters and brothers, we share a deep devotion to a 'GIANT OF A MAN' who stands in the realm of the Prophets, ancient and modern, he walks hand in hand with his beloved Majorie, to return with union amongst his 'goodly parents'.. we must now walk in the footsteps of him who gave us wisdom, understanding and tolerance 'for all'.. it is our way of saying, 'we love you Hinckley and miss you'.. live by his words, walk in his shoes for "Vengence is mine saith the Lord, I will repay".. this will be one of many and if we will ENDURE TO THE END, we will have eternal life to live again with our departed Prophet, Seer and Revelator President Gordon B Hinckley, Prophet of the only TRUE church here on this earth.
BarbyFeb. 1, 2008 3:12 p.m.
Fools come a dime a dozen. I think that we should show these protesters that we are truly honest in heart, good, pure, and always kind to others always. Lets not let hate take our position with them. We are better than those people who spend their time hating, belittling and condemning others. A true Christians would never spend their time doing these things. True Christians only spend their time saying good about others. Lets not help them with their hatred by participating. God will bless us.
to jrFeb. 1, 2008 3:04 p.m.
if organized religion is the cause of so much hatred then why did Christ bother to establish a church when he was on the earth? Organized religion is not the cause of hatred, it's the leaders of some of those religions that preach intolerance and hatred, and then the followers take it even further in their actions and words.
Christ's church didn't preach or teach hatred at all, and many organized religions of today don't either- including the Mormons. That doesn't mean some members don't take it upon themselves to be rude and judgmental at times, however. This is true of all religions and groups- some don't always practice what they're taught.
Obviously you have some negative feelings and opinions about the Mormon church and some of it's members. Did you learn that hatred from organized religion as well?
wslFeb. 1, 2008 2:59 p.m.
Since their real purpose is to gain attention, the best thing to do (as suggested in the article) is to quietly ignore them.
To Some Guy from Out WestFeb. 1, 2008 2:55 p.m.
You must live WAY out west--The Relief Society comforts those who mourn, not those who protest--nice try though, interesting twist on "Charity Never Faileth"
KatyFeb. 1, 2008 2:54 p.m.
This is just a re-affirmation of the truthfulness of a gospel, based on becoming more Christlike and living as Christ did, not judging, avoiding contention and loving unconditonally. President Hinckley was a wonderful advocate of everything godly and beautiful. I wish these people could belong to a faith that instills values and respect and then perhaps they would think twice about trying to tarnish what is in effect a very personal event for the family of our dear Prophet and would have the moral decency to say 'This is NOT the place'.
IdiotsFeb. 1, 2008 2:56 p.m.
This church group is really gonna protest at temple square saying that Hinkley was a false prophet? Good luck, thats like bringing a knife to a gun fight.
hhsnyder of CAFeb. 1, 2008 2:56 p.m.
Dittos to Pastor Johnson, Dwight S. Adams, and Paul
in MD. to Hate is Hate
Let he w/out sin cast the first stone. We all were
created from God's image. how fortunate to be given a body to be 'tried and tested". It will be by "our
fruits" that we will be judged. In remembering this
let's live each day and give thanks for we wil never
be able to live that day again. Lets not choose to be "offended or to offend others". After all "Love
the lord God With all the heart" and "Love thy neighbor". These are truely the latter days and
here in California we have been living with this revelation for many years as the numbers of LDS
members are not the size of the state of Utah. Having said that we are a "blessed" people but are
in no way better than non members. Actually we have
a higher standard to maintain as we "know the truth"
so as bearers of this truth we'll be judged accordingly!!!!!!!!!! Let them protest; just give themno fuel to quel their fires!!!!!!!!!
Let them beFeb. 1, 2008 2:45 p.m.
I'm sure that Pres. Hinckley experienced many protesters at every temple dedication he attended. I'm sure their antics would be nothing unanticipated or new to the prophet. The work simply rolls forward!
JoeFeb. 1, 2008 2:40 p.m.
To all those attending the funeral - just act like the man whose funeral you are attending. They've come to get a rise out of everyone and gain attention. Surprise them.
Sunny in AZFeb. 1, 2008 2:44 p.m.
I wanted to make a post but as I typed it in, I decided to take the high-road and I will not post it. But, just so you know I really had a post, I thought I would put it in this post. Just so you know that I really had a post.
"blah... blah... blah, blah... blah,...blah"
MeFeb. 1, 2008 2:38 p.m.
I think that the best thing is just to think "What would Gordon B Hinckley Do?" He was an amazing man. It is in the lords hands and he will not let anything happen that would hurt us. If anything we will be strengthened. I can't even express how grateful I am To be a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Gordon B Hinckley was a true prophet of God and he did so many amazing things. How could you not believe it?
Juan Carlos ReyesFeb. 1, 2008 2:41 p.m.
It's painful to know that the enemie will be there always bothering, but we don't have to get worried because God always will bless the people who follow him. If that "church" wants to say something in that way is because they are not the true church and they have to shout to say something because they are with the devil because "..he that hath the spirit of contention is not of me, but is of the devil, who is the father of contention..." (3 Nephi 11:29).
But we have to remaind that they are our brothers and we have to love them. Just don't care about them.
Greets from Chile
a momFeb. 1, 2008 2:42 p.m.
When people do things that are hurtful or perceived offensive I try to remember 2 Timothy: 24-26. "And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will." All we really need to do is be an example of the truth to these people. The Lord knows what they need in their lives to come to a knowledge of the truthfulness of this gospel. We can do our part by exercising charity even when we might not want to. True charity is unconditional- a challenge for all of us.
BartFeb. 1, 2008 2:32 p.m.
I'm amazed that these people call themselves Christians and they think Mormons aren't. I think these people are really rednecks pretending to be Christians. I can't imagine that the Savior would even think of doing something like this even if he didn't approve of someone's behavior. The best thing to do, though, is to just ignore them and let them make fools of themselves.
It's pure hatredFeb. 1, 2008 2:26 p.m.
One more reason to see biggots for what they are. Just like Huck for staying in the election. They hate Mormons and envy Mormons success.
Sunny in AZFeb. 1, 2008 2:11 p.m.
I think it would be great if a couple of UTA buses just happened to breakdown right on the corner where these folks will be. One bus heading East on North Temple and one bus heading North on State. Just pull the buses right up to the curb and yank the ingintion wiring out of them. This plan has merit, somebody call UTA and arrange for the breakdowns.
NickFeb. 1, 2008 2:02 p.m.
Just laugh at these people who waste their money to come here and freeze in our best winter in recent memory to spread a 'message' to blind eyes and deaf ears. They're making fools of themselves. Just as you would discipline a tantrum-throwing child by quietly refusing to acquiesce, turn your face from these preachers of hate.
HuckabeeFeb. 1, 2008 2:07 p.m.
Maybe some people could deliver some Huckabee signs to this group. I'm sure they wouldn't mind carrying them during their protest. It would make such a nice picture, especially if it got picked up by the National news.
AnonymousFeb. 1, 2008 1:55 p.m.
As a Texan and long time Latter Day Saint, I think we should pray for these people and hope they see the error of the hate they are spredding. We love President Hinckley and he will be greatly missed. We need to follow the example of our Savior Jesus Christ and treat these people accordingly.
ill helpFeb. 1, 2008 2:00 p.m.
im not a member of the LDS faith, but i have great respect for the work that president hinckly did. if you would like i will voulenteer myself to irritate the protesters so that president hincklys funneral can go on in peace.
jamesFeb. 1, 2008 1:49 p.m.
The members in Salt Lake City need to be kind and ignore these people and give them no reason for law suits or media publicity. They are trying to make the members mad and then they will sue them and the city and try to get media publicity out of it all.
Elizabeth Marie, TNFeb. 1, 2008 1:37 p.m.
Do not be alarmed by the protesting of the Westboro Church. They have been to Tennessee and protested at funerals for some of our fallen soldiers. Therefore these people know nothing about our Heavenly Father. The Lord will deal with that "church" and those people. President Hinckley would not want us to be angry but to pray for them that the light of Heavenly Father's love will someday reach the hearts of those who protest. "Father forgive them,for they know not what they do.." I am very proud to be LDS and not Baptist..
Simon SaysFeb. 1, 2008 1:23 p.m.
13 million versus 200!!!!! What a shameful pitiful sight they will make. A pity to paint all Baptists with the same pathetic brush as this so called Christian group. As LDS we get upset when people think we are the same as all the apostate "Mormon" groups out there.
As three famous penguins said on the movie "Madagascar." JUST SMILE AND WAVE BOYS.....!!!
President Hinckley truely was a GREAT human being. His legacy will live on.
MADRYBEGFeb. 1, 2008 1:19 p.m.
I agree with the many who have said to ignore those on the street. President Hinkley would. He is the man who preached tolerance to other faiths and backgrounds. This group is hiding behing the name "christian" group. It is the same excuse to make a scene and act inappropriate in any manner that men/women have done for centuries acting in the name of "christianity."
This small group is a group who represent a small minority who enjoy the cameras. President Hinkley was a wonderful man who will be missed. He did as the other prophets did before him...preach of Christ. His legacy will never be that he preached of himself and proclaimed himself the leader of the church. He made it known to all nations, kindreds, and people that Jesus Christ stands at the head of the church and it is through him that all things are administered.
Ignore those who profess otherwise but respect their right to be wrong.
From San DiegoFeb. 1, 2008 1:10 p.m.
Please be careful when dealing with this group. They tried to come to Santee, California when their was a school shooting. Their specific goals are to provoke an assult. They are lawyers who want to sue you. That is how they make money. They will take you for everything you own. They also went to Columbine after their shooting. They look for situations where emotions are running high and they add fuel to the fire. They are evil.. don't fall into their trap.
The Saviour's ExampleFeb. 1, 2008 12:50 p.m.
I am confident that no-one will read this message, as it will be apparently number 301. Nonetheless, I express my comfort in the gospel of Jesus Christ, my testimony that He has given His life for ALL mankind, including those who despise or displease Him. Were it possible, I would hope that all people everywhere could feel the strength that comes from even our most meager attempts at true faith, hope, and charity.
From my perspective, President Gordon B. Hinckley demonstrated that as the world sinks into despair and destruction--the bar, for all of us, has indeed been raised. "All of us would do well to study the life of the Master and try to emulate His words and doings." I believe these are not just nice words. He lived his life this way.
These are words of a prophet. What disagreement can there be in this counsel? In this time of somber reflection, I hope to make a better attempt each day, as I get up each time I fall, and as I try just one more time.
Way Beyond Free SpeechFeb. 1, 2008 12:21 p.m.
As LDS we practice our free speech in many ways to proclaim our belief. Those who do not agree with us have the right to express that as well. Anti-Mormon signs near the conference center during General Conference are no more intrusive or offensive than missionaries knocking on doors asking to come into someone's home to proclaim the truth about the Church is to some.
BUT - this kind of protest at funerals goes so far beyond human decency that its hard to imagine. This group is not just an anti-Mormon group. They will target anything and anyone who is not as radical as they are - which is basically everyone but them. There brand of Christianity and biblical interpretation is so extreme that they should not even be labeled a religion. They intentionally target the most emotional and personal moment many humans experience - a funeral. Even many of the most hard core first ammendment advocates have a hard time justifiying their brand of "free speech". And I would assume even the most die hard anti-Mormon would find their targeting of the Prophet's funeral an unacceptable place to express disagreement with the Church.
GopherFeb. 1, 2008 12:22 p.m.
jr is more than a little twisted. You would fit in well with the Hillsboro American Taliban.
zxrFeb. 1, 2008 12:04 p.m.
Too bad it's the middle of winter. Whenever there is a "protest" from this group, motorcycle groups attended the funerals armed with American flags to show the families of the fallen soliders that their loss is not forgotten or in vain like this group would led them to believe. I would think it would be kind of cool to see a bunch of men and women with their Harley-Davidson motorcycles along the funeral route hiding the "protesters" with American flags. I think President Hinckley would have gotten a kick out of that! :)
jrFeb. 1, 2008 12:03 p.m.
many a mormon can look in the mirror and witness their own actions. Funny how they have only looked one way until someonelse reveals their own ugliness. Organized religion is the cause of so much hatred. Believe in your heart and allow others also the same.
JanFeb. 1, 2008 11:58 a.m.
These guys who protest the Mormon Church are NOT CHRISTIANS! True Christians would not do this. They do not practice Christ like behavior. They follow Satan and are very full of HATE! God help their very poor souls.
LosersFeb. 1, 2008 11:52 a.m.
That's all I can say, these guys are the biggest losers, don't they have anything better to do? Get a freaking life!
Re: Jenny & OthersFeb. 1, 2008 11:53 a.m.
This Matt Johnson, Pastor of a baptist church in SLC. Jenny mentioned something that I think can be a misunderstanding. Unlike the LDS religion, most "baptist" churches (especially in SLC) are "baptist" because of what they believe, not because of an organization. Jenny mentioned that some in my congregations were rude to her family. We don't actually have ties with other baptist churches. I am only able to speak to the independent church that I lead. It is the same as the LDS president having no say as to what Warren Jeff's clan does. Most baptist churches in the West have little if any association with one another. I can assure you rude "baptists" are not a part of my congregation. I preach Truth, but I preach it with meekness and fear, not arrogance and strife. I hate the work of Westboro, because they profane the glory of God.
Humm-MummFeb. 1, 2008 11:20 a.m.
Prophetic Passing
I imagine he's running to Marjorie now,
Yes, running, not waving his cane.
I see him embracing his father and mother
While they keep repeating his name.
I see him now meeting his forebears,
Brother Brigham and Joseph are there.
Sweet reunion of prophets, united by service
That only such noble men share.
I see him embraced by the Savior
While Father says, "Good and well done.
So faithful in stalwart endurance, I welcome
My noble, most excellent son."
I then hear the ripples of laughter
As he says the reception's just fine,
But he hopes that he'll get an assignment or two
Since there's no need to waste any time.
I can hear his clear voice in the stillness
At the close of this sweet Sabbath day,
Have faith and move forward there's work to be done.
President Hinckley would want it that way.
Anna M. Molgard
January 27, 2008
A in LAFeb. 1, 2008 11:20 a.m.
Wouldn't it be great if Saturday the members of all the non LDS churches in the SLC area came out and stood together in unity with the LDS church while these people are here. Maybe if this hate group saw that SLC is strong and united - even between faiths they might go away. Just a thought.
M.A.T.T.Feb. 1, 2008 10:59 a.m.
I can't recall the 1st or the last time I ever heard a story about members of the LDS faith protesting another's religeon or faith. It's simply not done. Shame on those who abuse the 1st amendment in the name of God. "let he who is with out sin" and all that.
DonFeb. 1, 2008 10:50 a.m.
When our daughter was killed in a car accident a little over a year ago in a small rural town in Southwest Washington, the whole community surrounded our family with love and support. Ministers from several Christian churches spoke at assemblies and gatherings of students at the high school and even attended services at the LDS Stake Center. People have told me that the unfortunate event provided an opportunity for our community to "come together" in a way we had not previously. My family will NEVER forget the true Christian love and spirit shared and expressed especially by those not of our faith.
This group that calls themselves Christians is misguided to say the least. They think they are following Christ's example though I do not recall Christ teaching his disciples to use this tactic in sharing the gospel.
I'm confident those that attend the funeral services will follow Christ's example and the teachings of the prophet and turn the other cheek and walk away from these protestors. I also hope that people will be supportive to those that are mourning and allow your emotions to be filled with love and not anger. Don in Brush Prairie, WA
jmdspk speaks wellFeb. 1, 2008 10:50 a.m.
jmdspk, you are absolutely right! There is much more than hate involved. Money is the root! Yes, be kind and even love these "enemies" but keep your distance! And warn others to not get caught in their lair.
MillieFeb. 1, 2008 10:49 a.m.
It's important to remain calm and treat these losers with the respect they won't give us, or our prophet. The world will be watching... and maybe one of their children will leave and join the Church after sneaking away from the group and visiting Temple Square... you never can tell. Kill them with kindness.
"Whose funeral would Jesus picket?"
MoFeb. 1, 2008 10:47 a.m.
Extreme Protest Makeover! I don't know if traffic will be stopped, probably, but with cell phones a signal could be sent for "move that bus!" right in from of the protesters.
But then really what would President Hinckley do?
canadian commentFeb. 1, 2008 10:33 a.m.
It was a shock to attend conference a few years ago and see protestors. At first I was offended but then you mostly feel sorry for them. They were really in our face. What a glaring difference with the spirit they had and what we felt in conference. We always have watched conference by satelite and had no idea people had to deal with this right out side the conference center. It made for great discussion with our children who had never seen anything like this before. Quite an eye opener. Thanks for the warning from the press. Now we can just feel sorry for them. We love and will miss our beloved Prophet. I can't be sad as I imagine his reunion with his beloved wife and loved ones!
Human WALLFeb. 1, 2008 10:31 a.m.
Just a suggestion that has worked very effectively in other towns. Those who can should take every effort possible to create a HUMAN WALL to shield this group from those who would like to attend the funeral of this great man. I would encourage you all to sing hymns as well to drown out any antagonizing retoric that these insensitive folks will mosy likely spew forth.
EmmaFeb. 1, 2008 10:31 a.m.
It is terrible to witness all the finger pointing, anger and hate demostrated by my Mormon brothers and sisters, you sound worse than those you are railing against. Go home and read your scriptures and work to bring light into the world. Our prophets will come and go, but our example will live on forever.
From across the PondFeb. 1, 2008 10:22 a.m.
Definitely things that make you go Hhhhmmmmm. I feel so sorry for these people. How can you have so much hate in your heart and be totally unaware of how you are being manipulated by Satan? However, I'm sure our dear Pres. Hinckley would be the first person to extend a friendly hand to them, wouldn't he? It would be very difficult for me to, I guess, because I haven't yet reached that level of love yet! Will one day I hope and I'm working on it! Much love to you all from London, England Saints.
LorakFeb. 1, 2008 10:09 a.m.
the only thing that came to mind while reading all the comments was What Would Jesus Do.
Just ignore their comments, do what the Lord would do which is give them love and respect. Let's honor our president. I'm sure President Hinckley would have done the same. I'm grateful to know that President Hinckley was a true prophet of God.
Always respect others that's what President Hinckley used to say. Let's honor him by turning the other check.
sunshineFeb. 1, 2008 10:09 a.m.
Just funny how if anything has The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day saints name on it or in it, it's a audiomatic drawn to. What would happen if this was done at their church? They wouldn't be too thrilled now would they? Why can't you so called baptist just live your religion to the fulliest and leave all the other religions alone. Besides that this is a time of mourning for a prophet who was amazing not only to the LDS religion but to those who weren't even a member. This man doesn't deserve any disrespect what so ever. Is all you are doing is making a fool out of your own self. How do you think that looks protesting at a funeral?? COME ON!!!!
Robyn JFeb. 1, 2008 10:01 a.m.
I am not an active member, but I must say that I am impressed with the way most of the devout are taking this news. Instead of pure anger at the seemingly direspectful protest, they are loving about it, even saying they deserve our love and prayers. Eventhough I am disappointed with up-coming protest against a man I love and respect, I am grateful to see how beautiful most of the attitudes about it are. You are all sweet and beautiful people indeed.
tvFeb. 1, 2008 9:58 a.m.
I'm embrassed for the Baptist following!
NathanFeb. 1, 2008 9:54 a.m.
Phelps is a coward, Lead by example and show up to your own rally... I can't wait till he is 6 feet under. He won't even get the pleasure or Flattery of picketing... This is great! Im not even mormon but guess what I do know Pres. Gordy was an excellent leader and top dog Christian. Maybe I will go to church... Someone send me the Missionaries... I'm a military member serving in the Air Force... I would love to see someone disrespect one of my brothers in arms funeral... Talk about war...
The AuthorityFeb. 1, 2008 9:56 a.m.
Interesting that a supposedly Christian church is exploiting the rights we have as Americans to use the language and tactics of hate in an effort to soil the funeral of a man who preached a message of love. President Hinckley always shared a message of God's love for ALL of his children. It's sad to see someone trying to ruin a farewell to him with such a hateful and disgusting action.
If you've ever seen this group on the news, you'd know they come across as hillbillys from some really stupid, low budget horror movie. The good thing is that they are so ridiculous that they are not worth acknowledging. It's best just to ignore their hateful foolishness.
SLCFeb. 1, 2008 9:45 a.m.
Freedom of speach is one of our greatest liberties. And why complain the church sends missionarys around the world to canvass and convince people how to live a mormon existance and now the lord has delivered prospects to you. Show your salesmanship and convert them to your side. I don't see where it will make them much worse off.
PROTEST NEWS COVERAGE!Feb. 1, 2008 9:39 a.m.
I BEG the press to ignore these people. Please do not give them a voice. DO NOT put a microphone in front of their faces and allow them to desecrate the name of such a great man. I propose that the public boycott any news program or newspaper that gives them a minute of air time or a centimeter of newsprint. We have a voice also. Our voice will be heard in the news programs we choose to watch and the papers we choose to buy. LET YOUR VOICE BE HEARD!
cyndi6653Feb. 1, 2008 9:19 a.m.
These people that will be protesting are local members of this hatemongering church. I have seen them before.
sueFeb. 1, 2008 9:14 a.m.
to matt johnson's, paster of a SLC Baptist Church.
Thank you for pointing out that this particular Baptist group is not mainstream baptist, and actually a splinter group. They are just calling themselve's baptist so baptists loose crediblity.
and to all you lucky people who get to go to the funeral in person, IGNORE them and SING while waiting. i'd recomment not only we thank they o god for a prophet it, but We Believe in Christ, Jesus Said Love Everyone.... it is true, if anyone contronts or talks to them, they won. let's honor hinckley.
hold backFeb. 1, 2008 9:18 a.m.
As hard as it's going to be to not practice a little "laying on of hands" with these protesters we need to refrain. What would President Hinckley do? He'd probably walk up, wish them a good morning and say, "Why don't you put those posters down, bring all the good you've got in your heart (albeit nearly nothing) and see if we can't add to it." I wish the city would do like Augusta did with Martha Burke's protest at the Masters. She was allowed to protest about 1500 feet away from the golf course. Nobody even saw her.
BarbaraFeb. 1, 2008 8:53 a.m.
The Kansas based hicks are at it again.
Pac 10 AlumnusFeb. 1, 2008 8:53 a.m.
Deny them the permit.
From appalled at first (again)Feb. 1, 2008 8:43 a.m.
Oops, I meant "impressionable children". That word "impressionistic" didn't seem right but I punched the add comment key anyway. I think you all knew what I meant.
Raymond Takashi SwensonFeb. 1, 2008 8:42 a.m.
There will be 30,000 people at Temple square and millions more around the world who will gather to honor President Hinckley. The forces of good are winning. The Westboro Baptists and so many other churches that preach hatred in this season when a Mormon runs for US president are losers, in every sense of that word.
ldsgirlFeb. 1, 2008 8:35 a.m.
Not even appropriate, or respectful of human life. It's wrong they would want to protest Heath Ledger and it's wrong they would protest President Hinckley. At least they believe in equal opportunity. Haha.
Montana MormonFeb. 1, 2008 8:33 a.m.
With regard to the vitriolic protesters:
Jude 1:10--"But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves."
Alma 14:11 "And [the Lord] doth suffer them that they may do this thing . . . according to the hardness of their hearts, that the judgments which he shall exercise upon them in his wrath may be just; and the blood of the innocent shall stand as a witness against them, yea, and cry mightily against them at the last day."
KaterinaFeb. 1, 2008 8:10 a.m.
All I can say us unbelievable. If my baptist friends knew what these guys were doing, they would be very ashamed and disgusted!
UrronerFeb. 1, 2008 8:09 a.m.
Yep, a little hot chocolate will do the trick, it will show them that in spite of their arrogance and stupidity, that we love them anyway.
And besides, the bit of Ex-Lax we slip into the hot chocolate will help make them not so full of what they are so full of.
It's definitely a win-win situation.
Just a thoughtFeb. 1, 2008 8:08 a.m.
Mike Gallagher offered them air time to keep them away from the funeral of the Amish girls. Perhaps a similar arrangement could be made. I would rather have the ability to turn off my radio than to have to walk past them on the way to a funeral.
Jennifer-Salt lake cityFeb. 1, 2008 7:56 a.m.
If your faith is strong and your beliefs are true..... you are a fast moving train. People throwing pebbles at you will not derail you. We have the power to ignore hateful thoughts thrown at us by very hateful people. Us LDS members get accused of not being Christian.......What this Baptist church is doing, disrespecting a beloved sweet gentle man on the day of rest, is sick. Children will be there, his grandchildren, greatgrandchildren etc etc. It is sad, even dead this wonderful men gets beaten down.... i am SURE he is up there with his sweet little wife smiling down and giving us stegnth to ignore the hatred and stand strong. Shame on you for doing this. I agree, people should stand right next to them singing hymns of praise. If they move, then they get followed with even louder singing. Mute them out, walk on by, and let them tear their salvation to shreds.
ulideltoFeb. 1, 2008 7:54 a.m.
gostaria de dizer a todos que cristo vivi e que ele sempre chamou profetas e que o presidente hinckler um profeta de deus,alguns pecadores acham que falando mau de um servo de deus vai aliviar seu sentimento de culpa o remedio est em cristo e no nas criticas e manifestaes desejo a todos que sigamos o exemplo de cristo e nosso amado profeta.
RonFeb. 1, 2008 7:52 a.m.
Why do the people of the Baptist faith not disalign their church from this radical group? I think Baptists are above these who call themselves Baptists..
Appalled at firstFeb. 1, 2008 7:40 a.m.
but now I'm reminded that they are doing this for sport. I only hope their "sport" doesn't hurt impressionistic children who witness their insensitivity and hate. If so, it's a great teaching opportunity for parents. I hope parents teach chldren to not return hate for hate. There is too much of that in the world. Best to teach children that these poor people haven't been touched by the spirit yet and hopefully they will sometime. Let's prove the demonstrators wrong by our Christlike actions, taking the high road and being courteous to them, or at the very least, not feeding their frenzy with contentious words ourselves.
Paul in MD to the LionFeb. 1, 2008 7:30 a.m.
You bring up some good points, but you miss some as well.
True, the only people who can know beyond a shadow of a doubt are those who have spoken with Christ face to face. The rest of us have to rely on faith. I have heard many at the pulpit say they know. I just remind myself that this is an expression of extreme faith, but perhaps a poor choice of words. I do believe there are a few on the earth today who have seen Christ, but they won't say this. It is too sacred an experience, and would just give others another reason to bash the church.
I'm sorry you feel that missionaries are offensive. In the New Testament, the apostles talked about a coming apostasy. All Christians believe there was one as foretold, we LDS just believe it was complete, while the rest of the Christian world does not. These young people are sent out to testify of the Gospel, not to attack anyone. Look closely at our teachings, and you will find far more common ground than opposing viewpoints.
BTW, hypocrites preach that which they know to be false. We believe we preach the truth.
OK I get itFeb. 1, 2008 7:35 a.m.
At first I was upset, but after reading the posts I finally get it. They do this kind of stuff to get people like me upset, do something stupid and get in trouble. They don't really care about you, me President Hinckley, LDS, other Baptists, or whatever. They will be here for as much publicity as they can get and then they move on to their next protest. As much as I would like to handle this the old fashion way, that is exactly what they want. I finally get it. IGNORE THEM.
AnonymousFeb. 1, 2008 7:29 a.m.
I hope these people are not representive of the Baptist church.....How sad ...They should be using there time and energy to help others..
Paul in MD to Hate is HateFeb. 1, 2008 7:23 a.m.
I am truly sorry that you have experienced judgment and scorn from LDS members. That should never happen. That is NOT how we are taught to behave towards others. However, I have seen that attitude among members of our church. I have also seen that among almost every other group that happens to hold a majority in any setting - LDS in Utah, whites in affluent areas, African-Americans in DC, men in some companies, women in others... There is no end to the examples. It is especially pronounced among people who at one time were persecuted - they get a little room and power and have to flex that.
Please remember that we are taught in the church, and I am teaching in my home, that all of us are brothers and sisters, and all should be treated with the respect and esteem due all the sons and daughters of God.
Paul in MD to FantasticFeb. 1, 2008 7:15 a.m.
Fighting to protect marriage is not the same as hating gays. If you actually took the time to learn the LDS teachings on the subject of homosexuality you would find the church teaches compassion and love toward everyone, regardless what their words or actions are. We consider homosexual behavior a sin, and the church does not condone it. We believe marriage is a divine institution, defined as the union between a man and a woman. Period. We also believe that EVERYONE who walks the earth is a son or daughter of God, and as such deserves our love and respect.
Love the sinner but hate the sin. Read the Bible - that's what Christ taught, and what we should all be following.
SANFeb. 1, 2008 6:53 a.m.
The road to "Outer Darkness" begins with the loss of Inner Light and Truth. I am so grateful to President Hinckley for letting his light shine forth in all the world and feel such sorrow for the Dark Road these people are traveling. There can be no joy in their morning nor will their be honor in their going. President Hinckley surely has the greatest of both!
AnonymousFeb. 1, 2008 6:40 a.m.
The very fact the Baptist church uses such a solemn event as the funeral of ANY HUMAN BEING let alone a very respected LDS leader as a opportunity to protest ANYTHING tells me they lack world any compassion for their fellowman.
NMPFeb. 1, 2008 6:43 a.m.
God bless you, President Hinckley. We will miss you.
HmmmmFeb. 1, 2008 6:14 a.m.
It's REALLY stretching the definition for these people to call themselves Christians. Wouldn't it be interesting if the earth opened up and swallowed them during their protest?
Livingin the southFeb. 1, 2008 5:54 a.m.
Being LDS in the Southeast we deal with these types of people on a daily basis. It is plainly obvious that they do not subscribe to the basic teachings of Jesus Christ. How sad for them. I appreciate all good people no matter where they attend church. President Hinckley was a good human being who left this world a better place. Isn't that the goal for all of us?
Mom in MOFeb. 1, 2008 4:51 a.m.
I find this a little amusing. To be protested because we're not "anti-gay" enough. Tell that to the groups who protested because we're too strict on gay matters. Yes, we should ignore them. And stay tolerant of others' beliefs, whatever they are. I will follow the 13th Article of Faith, and do good to all men.
Re: some guyFeb. 1, 2008 4:02 a.m.
Great post! I too would love to see the picture of LDS serving these people in a Christlike way while they practice their version of Christianity.
I believe you can judge the character of a man (and a church) by his friends and his enemies. I believe that I would people who are so consumed with hate protesting President Hinckley rather than mourning his loss, as the rest of us do.
Who finances this group, anyway? Do they have jobs?
LaneaFeb. 1, 2008 1:36 a.m.
how can someone call themselves "Christian" is they criticize the the very people who believe in the same principles as them? through this we see a real issue of ignorance and intolerance for discrimination against religions. Yes, it is beautiful that we are free to our own religion, i know that when President Hinckley's funeral takes place, that these people will feel the spirit, and that they'll be tormented by their own guilt!
Charity a Christ Like LoveFeb. 1, 2008 12:32 a.m.
I think it is sad that people would do such a thing. Especially those who say they believe and follow Christ, our Savior and Lord. I know Christ would want all of us to respect others, he talked to Samaritans, when other would not. But us as member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, need to remember to Stand a Littler taller (SALT) and still love them. Jesus forgave those who crucified him, he even had mockers and "protesters" when he died. President Hinckely was the prophet that i grew up with, and I will dearly miss him. But the work will go forth. We do thank God for a Prophet!!!
W.W.J.D?Feb. 1, 2008 12:24 a.m.
If we took just one flower out of the bouquet we brought to lay in rememberence of our dear Prophet and handed it to one of these protesters, they could feel what Christian LOVE truly feels like.
That is one feeling they seem to completely lack.
I believe That sort of show of brotherly love would open the door for the Holy Ghost to touch their hearts.
I don't believe these "other sheep" were brought up with the Spirit in their homes or their hearts, so how could anyone expect them to know how to show it to others?
STICKS AND STONES.......Feb. 1, 2008 12:00 a.m.
Lets keep this tiny group of ignorants kept apart from and not mistaken for being "apart of" the mainstream faith of Baptists.
I for one know first hand as a Saint living years in Augusta Georgia that the Baptist church is abundant with good hearted, hard working Christians doing the best they can..just as we are.
I bet you if we all remembered to earnestly pray for these lost brothers and sisters in our evening prayers, the Lord would soften their hearts.
(or perhaps keep them home with the flu)
MattJan. 31, 2008 11:39 p.m.
Isn't it amazing that these people are so well known? I myself don't agree with what Hinckley has had to say in the past, but I would never in a million years pull the antics that these people do. I don't believe in hell, but I wish I did when it comes to these lunatics.
AnonymousJan. 31, 2008 11:26 p.m.
We thank thee oh God for a prophet... to guide us in these latter days! President Hinckley was and always will be a wonderful man. May his heavenly reunion be wonderful.
I will miss you!
TrevorJan. 31, 2008 11:24 p.m.
They must have something more worthwhile to do with their time... I wish I understood what went through the heads' of these people - protesting at the funeral of a man that epitomized goodness and love. President Hinckley would show compassion to all and so should we, regardless of what they say or do.
arcJan. 31, 2008 11:03 p.m.
I find it interesting that there is not a baptist church organization anywhere in the country that accepts Westbro Baptist Church as a member. They give all churches a bad name. Since there are many good people that belong to baptist church's typically, I would think that this "church", which is just a front for a hate group, is an embarrassment to all baptists.
I for one am offended that Westbro Baptist Church exists, and are showing up for another funeral. I just hope anyone that thinks this is typical of other baptists realize it is not. Even Huckabee wouldn't stoop this low.
Megan and AmandaJan. 31, 2008 10:52 p.m.
You all need some serious help! Do other church's have this going on? NO.. Then why do we? We don't bother anybody, President Hinkley is a good honest man and I totally respect him and you need to mind your own business. Instead of tearing other people down why don't you work on your faults and try to improve yourselves. Why are you blaming others, the only person to blame is yourself for your own happiness. Mind your own business and focus on yourselves rather then other people. The reason you are protesting is because deep down you know The church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the true church!
Marcelo Gomes, Mesa, AZJan. 31, 2008 10:48 p.m.
The very fact that you are standing in front of a group of people deeply moved by the loss of a loved one and are desirous to openly attack their religious leader shows how much your religion is truly off on what it means to be a Christian and true followers of Christ. Afterall, did not Christ say something about "mourning with those who mourn, and comforting those that stand in need of comfort?
FDGJan. 31, 2008 10:04 p.m.
I have found that when you are tearing others down you are not growing yourself. That is why we should not confront them because when we do we become like them. President Hinkley was truly a great prophet and leader for our time. He would want us to stand a little taller, be kinder and love all people even when they turn on us.
LDS IN SIOUX FALLS SOUTH DAKOTAJan. 31, 2008 9:34 p.m.
You know the Babtist can say all they want but all of us LDS Church members know the truth. That is what I will always remember about President Hinckley. He was our leader and our Prophet, who made us all feel the love and devotion he brought to all of us, whether we were born LDS or found our callings thru him. He will always be my prophet and nobody can ever change this for myself or my family. As for the protesters let them do and say what they want, we all know what is true and I know I owe all of this to our prophet PRESIDENT HINCKLEY. If I could be as good a member as he is my life would be perfect, but Im still working on this and I know I will be there to see my prophet when I join them. Maybe someday the baptists will learn that protesting does not get you very far HATRED is a strong word and heavenly father will be they first to say so.GOD BLESS PRESIDENT HINCKLEY AND HIS FAMILY.
ChristiJan. 31, 2008 9:10 p.m.
You are all right. It is a disgusting show of human character for this group to be acting out in such a way.Although everyone is entitled to their opinion of things, no grieving person should be subject to this. I am not LDS. I am not religious. I am, however, a concerned citizen of this state and I need to put my foot down an say, however cliche it may be, "Not in my city!" Don't worry. The angels will be there to protect the world from hate. Look for us.
AdamJan. 31, 2008 9:02 p.m.
I find it hard to believe that there is anything negative that can be said about President Hinckley. He was such an amazing influence and example to all of us that I feel sorry for those that do not love him! I know he was called of God, and I will miss him greatly! Protest all you want, it doesn't matter, it never will! Like Elder Maxwell once said, "If in the end you haven't chosen Jesus Christ, it will make no difference what you chose instead." I testify to you all that President Hinckley is now in the presence of the Savior, continuing his mission. We thank thee o God for our Prophet!
Michelle V.Jan. 31, 2008 9:03 p.m.
God doesn't Hate
1 John verses 7-8
7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
AnonymousJan. 31, 2008 8:33 p.m.
The people of God have suffered persecution from the beginning of time, and will till we return to our Father in Heaven. We can't expect Satan to not try to disrupt the services of this great man. He always tries to drive the Spirit of God out of our hearts. He cannot unless we let him. President Hinckley is a prophet of God and nothing these protestors do will change that. Follow the example of our great leader. Smile at everyone you see, it is contagious. Let love lead the way.
kris kJan. 31, 2008 8:29 p.m.
I sorrow for these people. Not because they don't belong to the LDS church, but because they live their lives filled with so much hatred for their fellow man.
DanielJan. 31, 2008 8:26 p.m.
People who cannot control their anger and who seek vengeance constantly on others are not Christs followers. It doesnt take intelligence for a person to start riots, protests and hostilities. I believe it is a lower form of human existence to behave in this kind of matter. People who follow the Savior do not participles in such bad behavior.
Peter WaltersJan. 31, 2008 8:25 p.m.
Remember the lessons of Ether: If the Baptists have not charity, it matters not to you.
Take some extra scarves, gloves, hats, and coats. Join them in the protest and make some hot chocolate to keep them warm -- not to support them in their anger, but to show them what you think a Christian is.
Can you be so Christian?
Being Christian doesn't mean having the right book on your table. It's what you do with your life.
Glad I'm not a child of theirsJan. 31, 2008 8:23 p.m.
I'm am so thankful I was raised believing in free agency. Our biggest blessing is knowing that Our Heavenly Father is all about love and peace who put each of us here to become the best we are capable of becoming. I'm sure that they don't know of a Loving Heavenly Father and with all they do to promote hate guess they don't have time to work on becoming the best person they can. It makes me realize how important it is for us to always set a good and positive example in our daily lives.
RobertJan. 31, 2008 8:05 p.m.
Maybe we should show how real Christians (Saints) behave and invite them to lunch.
SomeoneJan. 31, 2008 8:10 p.m.
What a bunch of ninnies. Classless, stupid, hopeless ninnies. Who do they think they are going to "sway" with a demonstration at a funeral?
Some Guy from Out West is right. I was thinking more along the lines of water balloons, but i believe his way is more "Hinckley"like.
elizabethJan. 31, 2008 7:56 p.m.
This will have no effect on our Church. People of this caliber did not stop the Prophet Joseph, Brigham Young, John Taylor etc. I find it easy to ignore ignorance. The Church will keep moving forward.
ChadJan. 31, 2008 7:53 p.m.
What a classless act. This is a day for people who truly cared for the Prophet to celebrate his wonderful life. There are many who care for and love this man greatly including myself. He was the perfect role model and if I can be one percent of the man he has become, I will have lived an amazing life with much happiness. Now there is only one individual or spiritual force which would love to see this uproar take place and that is Satan who is the father of all lies. He wants altercations and contention among the children of men at all times. When people argue or poke fun over sacred issues in life, it just creates a very negative sentiment and that is not the spirit of Christ nor will it ever be.
LoveJan. 31, 2008 7:36 p.m.
Love and pity people who think this is a good way to change anyone's mind about anything. I will be wearing duct tape over my mouth and earplugs in my ears. Not kidding.
saddenedJan. 31, 2008 7:30 p.m.
It saddens me to think that another religion would attack a leader of another church. They have a choice to pick how they want to worship. Let LDS members mourn and remember such a fine leader in a way that he should be remembered.
GaryfromcoloradoJan. 31, 2008 7:10 p.m.
There are defining moments in everyone's lives. Hopefully the protesters will have one Saturday.
May Pres. Hinckley's family have peace at this time. And Pres. Monson have all of our prayers.
QuotesJan. 31, 2008 6:26 p.m.
President Hinckley HAS spoken to us about this:
"I pray that each of us will be a little more kind, a little more thoughtful, a little more courteous. I pray that we will keep our tongues in check and not let anger prompt words which we would later regret. I pray that we may have the strength and the will to turn the other cheek, to walk the extra mile in lifting up the feeble knees of those in distress." (Gordon B. Hinckley, Let Us Live the Gospel More Fully, Liahona, Nov 2003, 1023)
I dont like bigotry. I dont like hate. They are so incompatible with the spirit of the gospel and the teachings of the Lord.
"I like peace. I like friendship. I like mutual respect. As we have these things, I dont think that is going to slow down the growth of the Churchit may enhance it. I believe that we can do much, and I think we are doing much. I think we are making very substantial headway (interview with Deseret News, 25 Feb. 2000).
Let's step back...Jan. 31, 2008 6:25 p.m.
I'm certainly hopeful this church will change it's mind - but let's step back and think about it.
What would President Hinckley say about this protest and how we should handle it?
Would he approve us villifying other children of God? would he suggest we tear then down and hate them?
I think that to truly honor our dear Prophet, we can be kind, gentle, loving and above all, Christian about this issue. How many times has he chided us as the Lord's people for treating others with anything other than love and respect as fellow children of God?
DianeJan. 31, 2008 6:25 p.m.
How UN-Christlike, disrespectful,and UN-Christian!! It is because of people like this and believing the falseness of what they do that the gospel MUST be preached to ALL the nations! May God forgive these poor misled people.
ThomasJan. 31, 2008 6:17 p.m.
Re: the First Amendment -- Canada doesn't have the First Amendment, and it manages mostly fine.
The freedoms that the First Amendment protects are only as safe as they are cherished by the American people. Unless they are so cherished, the First Amendment is no more than ink and rotten parchment, which third-rate lawyer could interpret into insignificance. (Just as a lot of second-rate lawyers are trying to do to the Second Amendment.)
The First Amendment will be cherished as long as it is understood as protecting what Americans want protected -- that is, the genuine substance of free expression. When it becomes seen as something that allows the restriction of core political speech (as the McCain-Feingold "campaign finance reform" does), while shielding the right of pornographers to profit and Fred Phelps to be a [bleep], I fear we may start to lose sight of just what a treasure the real First Amendment is.
Even if we lose it, though, we'll be no worse than Canada, for whatever that's worth.
Porter Rockwell from CAJan. 31, 2008 6:17 p.m.
Isn't anything sacred anymore? For goodness sakes! I had to get over the SHOCK of reading a protest will take place at our dear beloved Prophet's funeral. On the other, I can imagine President Hinckley counseling us to BE KIND to the very end. God bless our Prophet dear.
goinghomeatlastJan. 31, 2008 6:15 p.m.
you know...there's an abandoned commune site in Guyana that would be a great place for the Westboro Baptist congregation to live....
PonchoJan. 31, 2008 6:02 p.m.
I was at the Joseph Smith farm years ago in Palmyra while protesters were lining up and down the path to the Sacred Grove. It was extremely hot and humid, and a little (mature) sister missionary came out of the Smith home with cold lemonade and served them. When we returned from the grove they were gone. There's probably a lot a ways to handle this, but I know if done in anger or hatred it won't work. Many years ago the Savior walked to His death among protesters, whom He offered forgiveness. I believe GBH is OK with the MILLIONS who will honor himnot worried about the few who wont.
BasktJan. 31, 2008 6:07 p.m.
It saddens me greatly that our forefathers paid the prices they did for religious freedom. Here today, a time of mourning, they are protesting a man who was recognized by the very leader of this Country for the good President Hinckley did. He recieved the highest honor given to a civilian.
Why are the members still today hounded like Joseph Smith was in the Churches first years if not for fear itself.
SwedeJan. 31, 2008 6:00 p.m.
This is so unfortunate but it is illustrative of the world in which we live and one that President Hinkley understood so well. I'm confident that we will all handle this unfortunate expression of the First Amendment (which I am so grateful for) as President Hinkley would counsel us to. He would encourage us to rise above it....
I love this great Prophet!!!
Michelle in washington stateJan. 31, 2008 5:53 p.m.
I am very saddened by these people who think it is a good thing to protest a person's passing....I hope and pray that they well be touched by God standing thier Saturday protesting and then realize what President Hinkley really meant to all of us who are Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
Lacey in CAJan. 31, 2008 5:55 p.m.
I cannot believe the hate and the pathetic lengths at which people will go to hurt others. I am appalled that they are planning to protest the Prophet's funeral, but what else is to be expected from those who would protest a soldier's funeral. They care nothing for the hurt they cause others, and I believe Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ and President Hinckley are all weeping for them as they look down upon us all. Let's make them proud of the members of THEIR church by behaving the way they would want.
MoJulesJan. 31, 2008 5:49 p.m.
Wonder if Huckabee will be with them?
MissourimomJan. 31, 2008 5:40 p.m.
This guy is quite mad. His church is made up of his many children (all of whom were brutalized as children) and all seem to have inherited the rage gene. he wants attention - period. I actually met him once and he reminded me of something out of a Stephen King/ Stanley Kubrick nightmare. However, he has done gays a tremendous and much needed favor over the years. People take one look at him and think - well, I don't want to be like that - and begin to look at their gay brothers and sisters with compassion. Sort of a backwards way of creating compassion. Reacting to him at all, reporting on him at all - well that's what he wants. The dude has the scariest eyes I have ever seen by the way. We all have scary mad people in our religious traditions, but he does seem to be over representing the Baptists. Don't know a single Baptist who agrees with him even when they might be very uncomfortable with homosexuality. Sounds as if the LDS prophet went to the side of compassion. Fred can't.
cupcakes are yummyJan. 31, 2008 5:33 p.m.
It'd be flippin great if weather was very bad and their flights from Kansas to Utah got grounded. Or delayed till AFTER the funeral.
Or if we had a storm like Mondays. Unless they are VERY VERY stubborn, they'll not stand outside for too long.
ValerieJan. 31, 2008 5:39 p.m.
The modern-day Pharisees are at work. That this Baptist group doesn't recognize the parallel betwen their ancient counterparts and themselves is astonishing.
AnonymousJan. 31, 2008 5:31 p.m.
This group is so weird! I looked at their website, and firstly, it sounds like a 10 year old made up their website name. Then I looked and they actually have a petition schedule. All the different events they will protest for the next few months.
Dwight Sheldon AdamsJan. 31, 2008 5:33 p.m.
To all of you who are not LDS: Thank you so much for your Christ-like attitude, humanity, and support. It is never more evident that we are all children and servants of God than when we stand together to support Christ's example despite our theological disagreements. We love you, and we appreciate your willingness to let us know that you love us as well. God blesses all who try to follow His teachings, no matter their faith.
To those who have been offended by church members: It is NEVER our place to say who is going to heaven and who is going to hell. Church members who treat you poorly because you are different from us are horribly in error. Understand that we see God's teachings as a means of judging for ourselves what we should and shouldn't do, as well as what we should and shouldn't expose ourselves to. We are never supposed to look down on others. If we do, our judgements are unrighteous, and we are no better than that which we oppose. Nevertheless, we have the responsibility to protect ourselves from that which we see as evil. But I'm truly sorry if we have been cruel.
Klimber510Jan. 31, 2008 5:32 p.m.
The unfortunate thing is that a miniscule congregation can get so much coverage because of their outrageous conduct. Perhaps it sells papers, but is it news?
suzykJan. 31, 2008 5:24 p.m.
Let's all of us do what President Hinckley would say we should do: As members and visitors approach the Conference Center start singing "We Thank Thee Oh God for a Prophet". The evil spirit cannot overtake the spirit of Christ. This article has brought many tears to my eyes, feelings of concern for the people who reverantly mourn...please don't bow to their wickedness...just say a prayer and start singing. Silence says more than words...if they are ignored they will not have accomplished what they set out to do. I hope and pray the members will bite their tongues and have the courage and wisdom to totally ignore their presence and words. Don't give them the satisfaction of upsetting you or your loved ones or others at the viewing. I will being praying for all those attending this special time. It just has to be one of peace, humility and calm.
JasonJan. 31, 2008 5:20 p.m.
You can't say this particular group of Baptists are prejudice.....they hate everybody. You have to laugh at them...nobody takes them seriously
Annmarie MckenzieJan. 31, 2008 5:15 p.m.
I just wanna say that this protest is a display of fear and we will forgive them for they do not understand what President Gorden B Hinkley lived and died for . He has a respect for people, he loved children, and it is sad to see "Fear" in the souls that are truley lost do to the fact that no one would have a following of a great leader of faith in Christ in their church like our loving President Gorden B Hinkley. May God have great judgement and mercy for the lost Amen. Love, Mckenzie Family
Depart From Me...Jan. 31, 2008 4:58 p.m.
These are the people Jesus spoke of when he said many would claim "Lord, Lord, we (Prophesied, taught,evangelized,etc,etc) in your name....."
But He will tell them to depart from Him, for He never knew them.....
All we (including both LDS and Non-LDS followers of the God of Love) can do is show how Christ would have us behave...."Blessed are you when men..say all manner of Evil against you.." "Love your enemies, do Good to those who persecute you."
I may not agree on many important points of doctrine,etc with the LDS faith.. but I've learned to look for the power of Christ thru the Holy Spirit in the actions and words of a person.. THAT's what tells me if they are my brother or sister in Christ.. not what building they enter on Sunday...and by their words and actions the disciples of Phelps The Antichrist show what great servants of Evil they truly are.
Dwight Sheldon AdamsJan. 31, 2008 4:51 p.m.
It's so nice to read these comments and see that the vast majority of them are positive. What a wonderful spirit of love and tolerance the people of the LDS church are showing in the face of such vitriolic hate.
To those of you whose nerves are frayed: Take time to breath and pray that you can be loving towards the Westboro church. They are children of God, too, and he loves them and will always work to bring them to him, just as he does with you. Though their hatred may be sinful, you must not allow it to make you commit the sin of not forgiving your fellow man. Let God judge. As we would admonish them to "hate the sinner, not the sin," so must we admonish ourselves to the same effect.
To reiterate what several have said, the Westboro church is NOT the Baptist church. We should not hold other Baptist churches responsible, nor think ill of them for what the Westboro church does.
Be cautious. Don't incite any anger. If you are not able to control your emotions enough to pull away if something bad happens, don't even talk to them. It's asking for trouble.
A Kansas MormonJan. 31, 2008 4:50 p.m.
Perhaps something akin to the whittling and whistling brigade would be in order here. A group could surround these slugs and drown them out.
russJan. 31, 2008 4:44 p.m.
America lives. Freedoms are secure. And, yes, feed them and give them warmth. I would go with the tuna fish casserole with some nice bread crumbs on top. Oh, that is so goooood!!! Cold milk really sets that off too.
My view as a card carrying, God fearing Christian is that they are following their conscience. And that they are publicity seekers. And that their hearts are cold. Very cold.
Feed'em and love'em. Then pity them after they are gone. But do let them try the tuna casserole. It just makes your knees weak.
America is a great nation. We tolerate as we should. It is what separates us from the intolerant nations and mob-rule. It allows us to live in freedom and happiness.
Someone from utahJan. 31, 2008 4:43 p.m.
I always read in the scriptures that Jesus Christ loved everyone. These people sure aren't christian. If they were then they would be treating everybody a lot better no matter who they are or where they are from. I know that the LDS church is true. These people will sure be in for a very big surprise one day. They will know that there church was not christian. Christ would not approve of people treating people badly.
Robert PaineJan. 31, 2008 4:36 p.m.
I worked at the Visitors Center of the Washington DC Temple in the 80s when Sonia Johnson was excommunicated. An ERA group planned a big demonstration one Saturday. The temple closed early, the gates were locked, etc. I went to the roof of the VC for a ringside seat for the main event. The appointed hour arrived as I sat with semi-bated breath and...nothing happened. No protestors, no media - nada. I had three hours left on my shift in which to do....nothing. Figures.
The LionJan. 31, 2008 4:35 p.m.
Every sentiment expressed by you "faithful" Mormons has its exact mirror image in the sentiments of the Baptists. Don't you see that they are just as passionately "convinced" of their "testimonies" as you are of yours? (Perhaps moreso!)
You see how apparently arrogant these Baptists are by claiming to have the "truth", but why can't you see how arrogant you are by claiming the "know (beyond a shadow of a doubt)"? You consider their protest to be offensive and unChristian, but you don't see how your sending 50,000+ missionaries out into the world to attack other Christian religions (by preaching the Apostasy) is horribly offensive! You see how "cultish" these Baptists appear because they engage in behavior that seems irrational, but you can't see how irrational your own behavior is: dressing up in robes and aprons, forming circles, and chanting together?
Jesus called all such people "hypocrites".
MichelleJan. 31, 2008 4:40 p.m.
The Westboro group are not protesting 'Mormons' ... they protest everyone! They want/need the exposure to spread their message of hate. They think everyone is going to hell and it is their God-given duty to let us know about it. They also believe that the more we hate them or revile them, the more assured they are of being saved - because if you 'love Christ you will suffer for him'. Truly twisted.
And this group is NOT an example of a true Baptist. As a member of the LDS faith, I have found good people in all faiths. I do not believe that anyone not of the LDS faith will go to hell. That is for God to judge. Everyone is just trying to do the very best that they can and we need to love them for it.
TO: Matt Johnson - Thank you for being a friend. And know that I will think of you when I greet and smile all strangers that I meet.
Arvin Lee HansenJan. 31, 2008 4:37 p.m.
I am waiting to see if Mike Huckabee is the first Baptist preacher to denounce and decry this event in that they bear the same religious lockstep name as his....but then again, I'm not going to hold my breath since I never heard any denouncement of his ill-willed low blow declaring that Mormons believe Jesus and the devil are brothers.
Be kind and smart on SaturdayJan. 31, 2008 4:34 p.m.
I really appreciate all suggestions for reactions to the protesters, expected to come on Saturday, that represent what I expect Pres. Hinckley would have done. "Be kind" comes to mind, as well as "Be smart", "Be positive", "Be humble", "Be prayerful", and "Be involved". Wouldn't it be great for some mature youth or (young) adults to "Be involved" on Saturday and, in an acceptable way, stand between protesters and mourners, wearing clothing, covered with invitations, that remind us all of the best "Way to be": (Be) "smart", "kind", "still" and "grateful", especially for the God-given guidance through Pres. Hinckley, that helps us to deal in a loving manner even with these misguided protesters (John 13: 35).
PerspectiveJan. 31, 2008 4:30 p.m.
In comparing the character of the two, If I have a choice between being in heaven with Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptists, or being in Hell with President Hinckley, I'll be sure to grab some shorts and a fan on my way down.
MahonriJan. 31, 2008 4:27 p.m.
Even if you don't like the guy his funeral isn't the place to protest.
Just MeJan. 31, 2008 4:22 p.m.
Y'know, Pres. Hinckley would probably say there's a soul in that protester that needs love and compassion and may have deep troubles that contribute to their behavior, and love the person, learn to forgive the behavior. That's not just good Christianity, it's good citizenship and manners!
Pres. Hinckley taught toleranceJan. 31, 2008 4:19 p.m.
I sure appreciated Honor GBH's comments -- we should honor President Hinckley by living as he taught -- be tolerant & kind not vengeful or vicious.
I wish these folks wouldn't protest -- I wish they knew what I know: that Gordon B. Hinckley was a prophet of God called to teach God's children how to live in love & peace so they can return to live with Him someday.
But these people have their agency -- gratefully, I have mine, too, and can choose not to get angry or confrontational -- to let them exercise their agency in peace.
I definitely think the "no audience, no reporting" idea is a good one. I've seen what my kids do with an audience -- it isn't pretty :-)!
Zooms DadJan. 31, 2008 4:17 p.m.
I am profoundly impressed by the mature and spiritual nature of the people of Utah. My knee jerk reaction to this article and to the "Baptist from Westbury" was naturally outrage. But then as I read many of the comments and thought about the great Prophet they mean to run down. I was hearted at the kindness and Christ like attitude that we as a people try so very hard to uphold.
We are a meek and wise people. The world confuses meekness for weakness. The world has no idea how strong we are. If we were a weak people we would lash out and play the victim. We choose victory with quiet resolve and dignity. And am proud to be a Latter Day Saint and proud to live in this great state in the United States that allows the freedom to ignore those who unwisely use the freedom to speak.
AnonymousJan. 31, 2008 3:57 p.m.
Satan works in mysterius ways. I believe they are following his rule, not the golden rule. This group makes me want to throw up. Why do people follow such sick leaders, all in the name of religion. Because they are sick also. I'm sure it makes Father ill to see this going on. Would be hard to hold my cool if I were there honoring this wonderful prophet with that trash on the corner.
JennyJan. 31, 2008 3:49 p.m.
Re: Rev., Johnson, thank you for your nice words. I respect your thoughts on this. However, we have some neighbors living next-door to us from your congregations who are not as considerate as you are, and they would probably be better off joining the protester group. They deliberately taunt us every chance they have because we are LDS. Perhaps you can talk some sense into some of these people with your strength, wisdom and knowledge.
Thank You and we appreciate you.
AnonJan. 31, 2008 3:46 p.m.
Wow, I can't beleive human beings would actually protest at a funeral. Thats terrible.
Listen but don't drinkJan. 31, 2008 3:45 p.m.
Hey, go ahead and let them talk. Just don't drink if they offer and Kool-aid...
Matthew 5:11Jan. 31, 2008 3:41 p.m.
Fellow LDS members: Please ignore these "people" from Westboro. Saying nothing, doing nothing is your best bet. If you take them casseroles, be prepared to have them thrown back at you and be accused of trying to poison them. If you wave canes, they'll scream about you threatening them and tell the world. The Porter Rockwell jokes--funny here, kinda, but not so much Saturday morning.
Acknowledging them puts you in a no-win situation. Just let them do their thing and move on. That's being realistic, not unkind. They really ARE that bigoted and spiteful, sorry to say. They've been doing this for years and they're very good at what they do--hating others and generating resentment.
Since this is America, they ARE entitled to their free speech. They'll use theirs to show what they're really made of and what they really believe. So use yours to say nothing, leave them alone, and show who the true Christians really are.
Honor President Hinckley and the Savior by doing what both would have you do: Try a little harder to be a little kinder, and remember Matthew 5:11.
Surprisingly thankful in CAJan. 31, 2008 3:40 p.m.
When I first read this article, I was so upset that the Westboro Baptists had decided to protest President Hinckley's funeral. Of course I had heard of them and the hurt they spread, and my heart just sank at the idea of their disrupting the celebration of a beautiful life. I wasn't able to read the comments yet because I had to put my son down for his nap, but while I rocked him, I was still so angry and hurt. But now, after having read a few of these comments, the ones suggesting mourners smile and wave, or lay a flower at the feet of the protesters, or act as Pres. Hinckley would've, I feel so much better. Thank you to all of you who commented in like manner. It helped soften my heart and soothe my anger. I won't be able to attend either way, but thank you for showing a cool head in the midst of such hurtful circumstances. God bless President Hinckley and all those who do their best to live exemplary, Christ-like lives.
Fellow EvangelicalJan. 31, 2008 3:31 p.m.
As a Evangelical Christian myself, I detest these types of protests. An important religious leader has died. He and his family deserve respect, not Wackos holding up signs saying "Hinckley is in Hell."
I encourage all my fellow Evangelicals to stage a peaceful protest (at the same time) on the opposite corner exposing these nuts for what they are.
Though I am not LDS, I support the LDS' faith to honor their leader without these fruit cakes causing problems.
P.S. To the LDS faithful, please ignore them. What they want is a confrontation that will garner them national publicity.
A Disgusted BaptistJan. 31, 2008 3:31 p.m.
I am a Baptist, but I am just as revolted by the actions of this group as all of you. One cannot help but wonder how this group could possibly imagine that they are following the example of Christ.
To judge all other Christians, or even just all other Baptists, by this group would be much akin to judging all Mormons by Warren Jeffs.
Hate is hate.Jan. 31, 2008 3:25 p.m.
While I believe this Westboro group to be a troop of sick, hateful, and angry people, there are MANY MORMONS that hold themselves above all others. I have experienced the judgement of Mormons while simply visiting Salt Lake City on a vacation. Hate is hate. Judgement is judgement. And while the Westboro tactics are reprehensible, the Mormons who judge everyday are doing the same thing, but just in a different way.
Get a hobby dude!Jan. 31, 2008 3:28 p.m.
These protestors must seriously have nothing better to do than bash mormons.
Wyo ReaderJan. 31, 2008 3:26 p.m.
Won't it be great to meet some of these people on the other side! I can hardly wait to see the looks on their faces when they realize they have been so deceived by the great deceiver! Let 'em protest we know the truth and as stated before "The truth will set us free"!
rickJan. 31, 2008 3:20 p.m.
this group in without love and affection. Void of compassion. I wonder what type of family these individuals came from. Sad. They some how were never taught common decency and respect. I pity their miserable lives.
RE: Matt JohnsonJan. 31, 2008 3:16 p.m.
Rev. Johnson, thanks for your kind words! Those of us Mormons who have had positive experiences with Baptists and Christians who *truly* believe what they preach know you're correct. These Westboro people don't even deserve to be called "Baptist." They are WAY out there. Most *real* Baptists are at least sincere about trying to love God and their fellow man, as Christ truly taught, despite all of our flaws and differences. Thank you, Rev. Johnson, for your grace and class!
SamJan. 31, 2008 3:19 p.m.
Dont you people realize that these protesters are horribly starved for attention? They cannot handle the LDS church getting so much of what they cannot have. These protesters are a very jealous and greedy group of people... so they strikeout at us. Although, everyone realizes that we are a strong people and we can ignore this silly behavior. What would the Savior do?
JaneJan. 31, 2008 3:11 p.m.
Wouldn't it be nice if this Westboro Baptist Church practiced and preached what THEY actually believe instead of preaching how bad and evil Mormons are? If their whole religion is based on hating others...what kind of Christian religon is that?
Agree w/ Jon but...Jan. 31, 2008 3:04 p.m.
Contention is of the devil... is not stated so plainly in the bible that is 3rd Nephi 11:29, but I totally agree with the idea. Having served a mission surrounded by people of the Westboro "mentality" and I pity them. Because their whole belief system is the destruction of others beliefs. I would simply refer to Matthew 5:43-48. We can only love them and hope they have the opportunity to change and then take the chance when it is there.
bykrmykJan. 31, 2008 2:57 p.m.
Maybe the Utah chapters of the Temple Riders Association could show up on their bikes and pass out hot chocolate to the protesters. That could be our version of the veteran biker groups that protect the funerals they protest.
JanJan. 31, 2008 2:58 p.m.
Fools Fools Fools! This the biggest bunch of nonsense that I have ever read! Who cares about these degenerates? They cannot hurt the church if we ignore them in all their ignorance. They are foolish and disrespectful to everyone. not just Mormons.
nc momJan. 31, 2008 2:45 p.m.
I agree with the singing of hymms and also think the LDS members should politley wave at the protesters with a cane! Wouldn't that be a compliment to President Hinckley?
FantasticJan. 31, 2008 2:38 p.m.
Its wierd to me that LDS people are bashing these people for hating homosexuals. The church has gone out of its way to ban gay marriage everywhere. Get a grip on reality people.
Old PortJan. 31, 2008 2:29 p.m.
Someone should spy on these folks. I am sure there is a homosexual scandal coming with their leaders soon enough. Positive energy certainly surrounded Hinckley; it was just obvious in how he carried himself.
Melissa V.Jan. 31, 2008 2:25 p.m.
Both religions are whacky, IMO. But Westboro REALLY needs to back down. I was still in shock over hearing about them wanting to protest Heath Ledgers funeral!
Jon B. HolbrookJan. 31, 2008 2:22 p.m.
It is amzing to me that some of these Christians claim that the Mormons are not Christian. President Hinckley, by both his sermons and his example, was a true Christian. The people of the Westboro Baptist Church spreads its hate and contention. If the Westboro Baptists read their Bibles(Which I doubt.) They would have read the verse that states that contention is of the devil. Therefore, I can only conclude that they follow The Prince of Darkness and not The Prince of Peace. Thank-You
AnonymousJan. 31, 2008 2:21 p.m.
Wow...these fools are simply PATHETIC.
AnonymousJan. 31, 2008 2:11 p.m.
This hate group isnt religous at all. Their belief is that the whole world is going to hell for being homosexual or condoning them. They have no respect for their country and they basically come up with any reason in the world to hate.
Fred Phelps, the groups leader, is a senile, psychotic, old man. The best thing we can do in this situation is treat them with kindness or ignore them all together. We dont need to disrupt President Hinckley's funeral any further by loosing control of ourselves and assaulting these guys. Don't try to contend with them, they are so far gone astray that it wont do any good. They just look for reasons to hate, and in their mind if your not a member of their church your going to "hell". We as followers of christ can follow his example. Gordon B. Hinckley was a great man and nobody can tell us any different.
No friendJan. 31, 2008 2:10 p.m.
While I'm no fan of some of the LDS church's policies, this is so classless. President Hinckley was a good man and deserves to be honored by those who believe him to be a prophet. He lived a wonderful life.
I know how hurt I would feel if somebody protested at my loved one's funeral condemning them to hell. It's sad Christianity at times can seem so divided.
As despicable as this is, I am still grateful for the First Amendment.
Mr LJan. 31, 2008 2:13 p.m.
Again showing that Christ-Like compassion is amiss from extremists. You may not agree with Mormonism, but should that drive people who claim to be "Saved" to not be tolerant and compassionate to the Family and the Members of a church? Agree or not With Gordon B. Hinckley or not he is truly one of the great men and Church Leaders of our time. He taught tolerance and to show respect to others. He he showed his actions in word and in deed. Now that he is gone the attempt to slander and deface who he was and what he taught.
I will make one guarantee, when this Minister passes, there won't be a single Mormon protesting at her funeral. In fact, they will probably take funeral potatoes and comfort her family and congregation.
"If ye have done this unto the least of my brethren, ye have done it unto me."
sallyJan. 31, 2008 2:10 p.m.
Lets all try to just get a long and turn the other cheek. We are LDS....Remember?
Jared BJan. 31, 2008 2:01 p.m.
You know the term kicking someone when there down. It means not having the the guts to do any thing when the other person has a chance to say or do anything. Well thats just what the people who are planning to be protesting outside ant Pres. Hinkleys funeral are doing. I must say that it sickens me to the very core to hear that. Well I have to get back to school. I hope that the protesters will have a good life now and after. I know I will.
AnonJan. 31, 2008 1:56 p.m.
Your loving attitudes will end up getting in a brawl on Saturday.
C JamesJan. 31, 2008 1:54 p.m.
"Now, my dear brethren, in closing I plead with you to control your tempers, to put a smile upon your faces, which will erase anger; speak out with words of love and peace, appreciation, and respect. If you will do this, your lives will be without regret. Your marriages and family relationships will be preserved. You will be much happier. You will do greater good. You will feel a sense of peace that will be wonderful.
May the Lord bless you and inspire you to walk without anger, without bitterness of any kind, but to reach out to others with expressions of friendship, appreciation, and love. This is my humble prayer, in the name of Jesus Christ, amen."
President Gordon B. Hinckley
October 2007 General Conference
THank you for posting this quote! I know that Pres. Hinckley would want us to be kinder to eachother and not ackknowledge those trying to hurt us with thier words!
RE: Matt Johnson
Thanks for reminding us that not all Baptists are the same. Having grown up in Alabama, and having had alot of Baptist friends and relatives, I can tell you that most Baptists are very kind, Christian people!!
Playa HatersJan. 31, 2008 1:52 p.m.
It's amazing these radical Bible dudes have time to dedicate to this protest when really they ought to be spending their time spreading whispers about how if a Mormon was elected President it would be like the devil himself being in charge. Yes, amazing they can multi-task like this.
dittybobJan. 31, 2008 1:32 p.m.
"Hinckley is in Hell"? This Westboro group purports to speak for the Final Judgment of God? If Hinckley is in Hell, what chance do the rest of us have? How self righteous of a group of people! What kind of person would be so self assured in their standing before God to single any other as the one to be found in Hell. I imagine Gordon B. with a wry smile and shaking his head with the audacity of such a mislead group of people. How sad and pathetic this organization is- What WOULD Jesus do?
Richard StaufferJan. 31, 2008 1:37 p.m.
Hopefully the media will be wise enough not to cover the demonstration. All they want is publicity. If they are left alone they will soon disappate.
Spirit of Sampson AvardJan. 31, 2008 1:31 p.m.
Br Rockwell and the Danites should take care of this.
AnonymousJan. 31, 2008 1:30 p.m.
i know its not the right thing to do but if i saw a sign that said pray for more dead soldiers they better pray they can run fast cause i would beat the holy tar out of every single one of them
Canadian LDSJan. 31, 2008 1:29 p.m.
WOW!!! It's so hard to believe that one particular so-called Church would choose to picket a funeral for our beloved prophet Gordon B Hinckley!!!
I guess we in Canada are very blessed, in that we aren't so actively pursecuted as our Brothers and Sisters are in the United States.
What a sad commentary it is that our faith is still so misunderstood, and people are still so afraid and or ignorant of what it truly means to be LDS!!!
I agree President Hinckley would want us to act with the same grace, tolerance, and love for others that this remarkable man has shown throughout his entire life.
JohnJan. 31, 2008 1:25 p.m.
It's really sad that Westboro Church has nothing better to do then to hurt other people. I know Christ would not do something like that. I guess they really don't believe in God and his son Jesus Christ for doing that they do. Thank God for President Hinckley. May he rest in peace with Sister Hinckley
Re: Matt Johnson IIJan. 31, 2008 1:16 p.m.
President Hinckley would've probably sided with the comment about someone getting food and warmth for these individuals. How confused must a person be to do the same that those in Jerusalem did when they insisted that Jesus be crucified. Jesus Christ himself was confronted with the worst of enemies. The adversary and his influence is similar today as it was in biblical times. That same adversary whose plan is to confuse and cause fear and to entrap and to cause misery to us all is the same that was there in biblical times. If there is a scapegoat in all of this, it is the dark angel which is the devil. How strange that a funeral of a prophet to many who believe and a righteous, good man to many who don't would be met with a group who in essence spit on a grave - how small - how confused they are - On the one hand my heart goes out to them - on the other I simply recognize the hand of the adversary in having guided them down an entirely erroneous path belittling the divine nature and potential of God's children.
MCJan. 31, 2008 1:20 p.m.
I'm not LDS but I think it's horrific that bigots can hide behind the guise of a "church" to disseminate hate. Their self-righteousness is sickening.
Get a LifeJan. 31, 2008 1:10 p.m.
I'm not LDS, but I've lived in Utah now almost 30 years. I've always gotten along just fine here on a live and let live basis. To be truthful I'm pretty much ambivalent about who is or isn't the President of the LDS Church, but clearly President Hinkley was a good and worthy man,and the members of the Westboro Babtist Church need to get a life, preferably a more Christian one.
Ignore ThemJan. 31, 2008 1:15 p.m.
"Where does this church get their money to fly people all over the U.S. to do things like this?"
Lawsuits, from the rage they inspire. Searching them on the internet and clicking on their website makes them money. IGNORE THEM and they earn nothing.
RE: Matt JohnsonJan. 31, 2008 1:08 p.m.
Pastor Johnson, I'm a born and raised Salt Lake City, Latter-Day Saint who has a father who is a die hard Garrison Keelor fan - "A Praire Home Companion" on the radio - I also come from a family of Eagle Scouts - from an organization such as The Boy Scouts of America who involve youth of all religions. I just want to re-assure you that I'm aware of the expansive numbers of Baptists out there - I have bluegrass playing friends who are Baptists from North Carolina. - The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the resounding message in any Christian church and though we all fall short of him, we can yet hear his words and strive to become more like him. Certainly I assume as a fellow Christian that your belief and understanding of Jesus Christ is in many regards similar to mine - as he taught in parables of degrees of heaven, as he healed, as he showed again and again that he was the promised Messiah - His spirit and the Holy Ghost is the power that strives to bring us all closer to him - the protesters as well who God loves.
Just a thoughtJan. 31, 2008 1:08 p.m.
In case someone is unsure who this groups master is. Moroni 7:15-17 gives us the way to decern.
It is plain to know who they serve and it IS up to us to judge. The spirit of christ is given to all to help.
vs 17 first. "But whatsoever thing persuadeth men to do evil, and believe not in Christ, and deny him, and serve not God, then you may know with a perfect knowledge it is of the devil; for after this manner doth the devil work, for he persuadeth no man to do good, no, not one; neither do his angels; NEITHER DO THEY WHICH SUBJECT THEMSELVES UNTO HIM."
Describes these protestors well.
vs 16 "...every thing which inviteth to do good, and to persuade to believe in Christ, is sent forth by the power and gift of Christ; whereforth ye may know with a perfect knowledge it is of God."
I know which side President Hinckley is on.
3 Nephi 11:29 "...he that hath the spirit of contention is not of me, but of the devil, who is the father of contention, and he stirreth up the hearts of men to contend with anger, one with another."
AnonymousJan. 31, 2008 1:09 p.m.
I am a convert to the LDS Church. There is no excuse (human frailties notwithstanding) for a Mormon to tell ANYONE they are going to hell. Our beliefs don't allow for one to say that, and that was a big point of why I joined the Church. People in my former faith (I won't name what that was, out of respect for members of it) told me I was going to hell for becoming LDS.
I was taught by the missionaries that everyone will get the SAME FAIR CHANCE to believe and do the SAME THINGS in order to be saved. This makes no one exempt from having to accept Christ and his gospel, and it also condemns no one for having died without knowing of it. It is the perfect balance from a perfect God.
If not for the witness of the Spirit, this doctrine is how I would be "logically" converted to the Church (taking into account that most beliefs of many religions defy earthly logic). And to hear that fellow Latter-day Saints would say things contrary to this wonderful doctrine pains me.
RADDADJan. 31, 2008 1:00 p.m.
Mormon's, despite how we feel, aren't considered "Christians." If this group claims to be "Christian" I am proud not to be a christian.
frankJan. 31, 2008 1:04 p.m.
Someone should ask the former Baptist minister, Mike Huckabee, if he approves of the protesters' conduct. Would be an important piece of information on which to judge a political candidate.
PS to the monitor: What is so distasteful about this post?
an ideaJan. 31, 2008 1:02 p.m.
If I were a Baptist leader, I think I would organize every local Baptist to fill the corner so full of bodies there would be no place for the protesters to stand that would be legal. Then the Relief Society could serve them hot food, everyone could sing together, and President Hinckley could smile at all of us. I think other churches would be surprised at how kindly the LDS feel about them.
wrzJan. 31, 2008 12:56 p.m.
"It would be awesome if a couple area Relief Societies got together and made them some hot food (Mormon women do make a mean casserole) and hot chocolate (SLC in Feb.? burrrr) and brought them some extra blankets in case they get too cold."
They'd throw it back in their faces. These protesters have no dignity, grace, or manners. They are haters of the worst kind.
Humm-MummJan. 31, 2008 1:01 p.m.
As tempting as it is I really don't want to have a casserole chucked back at me..kindness is in need here and it takes a bigger person to be Kind under such actions being planned out to be on public display...however I do agree with President Hinckley's words..be less quick to anger, put a smile on our faces and show the world (who will be watching by the way) what true genuine Christians the LDS faith consists of and is founded upon..after all we are followers of Christ and he too would walk on by, and yes with a smile on his face..lets just be like Jesus and do what is right as we ALL know what that consist of.
IRONYJan. 31, 2008 12:57 p.m.
I find it quite ironic that one of the issues they have with President Hinckley is his soft stance on homosexuality- I guess they haven't read the proclamation to the family, or seen some of the specials about homosexuals in the Mormon church and how they feel that they're being wronged by the church for their lifestyle. President Hinckley has stated that we extend love and fellowship to these brothers and sisters, but cannot condone any immoral acts by them any more than immoral acts from others.
I guess that stance isn't strong enough for this group- it has to be pure hatred or it's not enough.
As for anonymous@12:07- I'm sorry if you've had members of the Mormon church inform you that you're going to hell because you don't believe the same way. If you've ever heard anything from President Hinckley, he would never say anything remotely related to that or even imply it. I hope here that you're not making assumptions about the Mormon church's beliefs. As for where you're going after you die, that's up to God-(the only one who can properly judge you), and most Mormons wouldn't attempt to judge you prematurely or wrongly.
N in KansasJan. 31, 2008 12:53 p.m.
We have been tolerating this group, since with the first amendment we dont have a choice. This is a church consists of members of one very ignorant family led by a senile old man. They have been protesting soldiers funerals throughout the country, making a very traumatic and mournful time for families even worse. But I know that Pres. Hinckley was a true prophet and leader of the only true church on the earth today and he will be missed.
Cathy InscoreJan. 31, 2008 12:45 p.m.
My Father has a saying; " If you have to ask is someone is Christian or not...perhaps you need to ask yourself the same question." We, as members of this beautiful Christ-ian church, should take the most vital commandment of our Savior and put it out there for the rest of the world to see..." This commandment I give to you, love one another as I love you, love one another." We are fortunate to have a Living Prophet to guide us and direct us with the spirutal love of Christ and our Holy Ghost. Our beloved Prophet, Gordon B. Hinkley, set a beautiful spirit-filled example as to how we should live-- We live as Our Savior would; He lives within each and everyone of us. When we see these protesters, smile, wave, and say: " The Lord, Jesus Christ, loves all His children...Tell them that they are beloved children of our Heavenly Father, and that because of that profound statement--we love them as well--for that is what our Savior wants for his children.
President Hinckely's WordsJan. 31, 2008 12:39 p.m.
We do not have to wonder what President Hinckley would say about those who oppose the Church and those who would protest at his funeral. President Hinckley addressed this issue in the last General Conference. I would encourage all people who love President Hinckley and who love the Lord to follow his prophetic counsel.
"Now, my dear brethren, in closing I plead with you to control your tempers, to put a smile upon your faces, which will erase anger; speak out with words of love and peace, appreciation, and respect. If you will do this, your lives will be without regret. Your marriages and family relationships will be preserved. You will be much happier. You will do greater good. You will feel a sense of peace that will be wonderful.
May the Lord bless you and inspire you to walk without anger, without bitterness of any kind, but to reach out to others with expressions of friendship, appreciation, and love. This is my humble prayer, in the name of Jesus Christ, amen."
President Gordon B. Hinckley
October 2007 General Conference
ElloJan. 31, 2008 12:39 p.m.
I dont agree with the protest, but all these self rightous people going off on how "true" the church is and how it is the "only" true church is the reason that they want to come and protest. LIVE AND LET LIVE. That goes for all of the Christians out there, including you mormons.
I am a fan of Gordon, I think he was nice enough, and I think it is stupid that people will protest his funeral, but at the same time, i see the same traits that the protestors have in many of the post here. WHO CARES? We fight over a definition of God, no level-minded individual would ever care enough about anything to treat people poorley. I hope that we can all one day put religion on the side and look at each other for what we are, in this life togther, and we are never going to agree with every one, so we might as well smile and have some.
BillsJan. 31, 2008 12:32 p.m.
a Bible worshipping church claiming to be followers of Christ but act like the devil should make all of
us suspect. President Hinckley deserves better. I hope the media exposes these religious fanatics for
what they are -- un-American Bigots!
elisabethJan. 31, 2008 12:34 p.m.
Wrong audience, wrong time. It amazes me that people stage protests that hurt their cause. A protest in and of itself means absolutely nothing unless opinions are swayed to your own.
Cutting off their noses to spite their faces. Disadvantage yourself in order to do harm to an adversary.
AnonymousJan. 31, 2008 12:31 p.m.
For those of you still beating the dead horse, WESTBORO CHURCH ARE NOT TRUE BAPTISTS. they are a bunch of zealot fundamentalists.
First AmendmentJan. 31, 2008 12:21 p.m.
Huckabee claims to be a Baptist.
MattJan. 31, 2008 12:14 p.m.
Is it legal to surround them (but not restrain/detain) and hold up sheets so no one can see them?
UsedtobLDSJan. 31, 2008 12:17 p.m.
::extends olive branch:: I'm with you guys. What the WBC is planning on doing is reprehensible, horrible and worthy of a Danite extermination order from Brigham Young. However, they ARE a hate based organization. Any attention they receive whether negative or positive will only fuel their fires.
If you are going to Gordon B Hinckley's funeral please ignore them, don't feed them (literally or metaphorically) as it will only encourage them or open up opportunities for them to spew their hatred in different ways.
Good luck to all of you and sorry for your loss.
Girl from the SouthJan. 31, 2008 12:15 p.m.
The Guy from Out West is too nice. Let's pray for a huge snow storm on Saturday.
RickJan. 31, 2008 12:09 p.m.
Having spent over half my life in Nashville, the buckle of the bible belt, I have a lot of experience with and not much love for baptist preachers. Westboro is just another disgraceful, demon possessed hate group, that makes the money grubbing, mormon bashing trash I know here, look like angels.
MDMJan. 31, 2008 12:02 p.m.
Get a life...what a bunch of mean spirited, insensitive losers. These people are one step away from putting anyone that doesn't agree with them in a concentration camp if they could. That much hate will cause them to eventually explode and cross the line of legality or end up having a Jim Jones cool-aid party somewheres. The Saviour would never act this way, nor condone such behaviour.
cdJan. 31, 2008 12:08 p.m.
I am proud to be LDS and have a sense of morals unlike people who have none andcannot respect other people's time of mourning!! How sad Heavenly Father must be for them.
AnonymousJan. 31, 2008 12:07 p.m.
I'm not LDS, but I have sympathy for what the LDS community is experiencing right now. I too think the Westboro "church" is completely out of line, whether it's Hinckley's funeral, or Matthew Shepherd's, or a military funeral. But now can you understand why non-LDS people get annoyed/hurt/angry when Mormons think they are wrong or "going to hell" simply because we may not have the same beliefs as you?
Convert in MurrayJan. 31, 2008 11:56 a.m.
The Westbro Baptist church is not Recognized by the Baptist dominations. Please as an convert of the church I am asking everyone to remember that President Hinkley would not want us to lump them all together. I still have many family members of the baptist faith and they are just as appalled as the rest of us. Kets embrace them and let them know that we still love them even if they are wrong.
Ex-MormonJan. 31, 2008 11:25 a.m.
Perhaps this church should read the sermon on the mount before planning another protest. "Blessed are the peacemakers..."
Injecting humorJan. 31, 2008 11:27 a.m.
Maybe some of their baptist brothers will line up with them and hold up their huckabee signs! Would make a beautiful picture, perfect for the evening news.
Karl (not Rove)Jan. 31, 2008 11:21 a.m.
If I were the P.R. guy for the Church, I would hire a group like this to show up.
What a contrast to the real spirit. Even the Mockers on local blogs would notice the difference.
AnonymousJan. 31, 2008 11:25 a.m.
I can't believe when people want to celebrate and mourn for an individual, others just can't leave them alone. Respect others!
CougtuckyJan. 31, 2008 11:04 a.m.
No class. Let God judge the ignorant.
Brother DomingoJan. 31, 2008 10:56 a.m.
To fellow saints,
I am sure that Pres.Hinckley would want us to love,pray for them that despised and say evil things against us. Let us follow his counsel coming from the Lord. On the other hand, let's protect our laws to maintain civility and proper behavior in our community. We'll surely miss a true prophet of of God. He lived a Christlike life.
UnbelievableJan. 31, 2008 11:01 a.m.
Such a despicable act will only hurt them. Let them come and make a fool of themselves. True Christians would never even contemplate on doing such heinous act.
An idea?Jan. 31, 2008 10:54 a.m.
Maybe this group will influence voters from voting for Huckabee (as he is a Baptist preacher) and support for Romney would increase. It's just a thought, but maybe good could come from this.
PeaceJan. 31, 2008 10:52 a.m.
Why cant people just learn to get a long? The Mormons only want peace in the world. That is what our church is all about.
jaxJan. 31, 2008 10:45 a.m.
I think what needs to be done is protest the protesters. In fact we need to get a bunch of the BYU and Utah Football players together that are LDS (the big ones) to go down across the street and protest them. The protesters from the Mid-West would be intimidated to say anything if they saw the size of some of those players
Among the BaptistsJan. 31, 2008 10:36 a.m.
There are many of them who are very good people. Everyone should remember that the Westboro group is really no more representative of the Baptists as a whole as the fundamentalist LDS are of the rest of us. Sad that they do this, but this is their choice.
Thank the DesNews for the heads up and let them do what they choose.
IGNORE THEMJan. 31, 2008 10:41 a.m.
I've seen these Westboro people at work at a university graduation in the Midwest. Their attitude and "God is Hate" ideology speaks for itself, and I'm convinced will be duly "rewarded" in the next world.
There is nothing to be gained by addressing them or even acknowledging their presence. Ignore them--pretend they're not even there. They live to provoke and offend others and besmirch and befoul the name of true Christianity. They are infinitely more guilty of blaspheming the name of Christ than anyone they've ever accused. They are therefore to be pitied, not argued with.
I am glad I have learned and seen for myself that these people DO NOT represent the voice and position of true Christians (including Baptists) and other religious believers worldwide. They do not represent the voice of true Christians in regards to President Hinckley.
The irony is that President Hinckley himself would have compassion on these people, were he here. May he rest in the peace he deserves with God and the Lord Jesus Christ.
I don't think that anyJan. 31, 2008 10:37 a.m.
Church is better than another. But I do believe in respect for everyone. The past President of the LDS church was a good man and deserves the utmost respect. People that want to "protest" certain things need to choose a much better time and place than a funeral! (How disgusting)
Matt JohnsonJan. 31, 2008 10:30 a.m.
I am a pastor of a Baptist Church in Salt Lake City. I am disgusted by the actions of this so called "Baptist" church. I do not believe that people with this kind of anger and hate truly know Jesus Christ as their Savior. I do not think that President Hinckley was a prophet, but that is a theological difference that LDS people and non-LDS can discuss in civility. Difference in religion or theology should not reach this level of self-gratifying hatred and arrogance as exhibited by Westboro "church." I would like my LDS friends to know that the majority of that "baptist" church are the children of the one pastor. They are denounced by every Baptist group I know. I had a phone call this morning from an irate individual first saying that my church was despicable and that baptists are horrible. Please do not lump all of us together, that would be like Baptists saying that Warren Jeffs is the same as Gordon Hinckley which is not true. There is just as many varieties of Mormons in this nation as Baptists, so I ask again to my LDS friends, please do not catagorize all of us the same.
NyronJan. 31, 2008 10:32 a.m.
This protest will be a demonstration of ignorance. Just like in the days of Joseph Smith, they wanted to murder him and knew nothing about him.
I hope someday to be the kind of person President Hinckley would like me to be. I love the Prophet. He was chosen and extremely well prepared by The Lord. I won't pay any attention to the adversary and his minions. I thank the Lord for a prophet.
LDS Torrance CAJan. 31, 2008 10:26 a.m.
Can these people protest the Conference in April instead of a funeral of a wonderful husband a loving father and a TRUE PROPHET OF GOD?
I am so glad he spoke in our Stk Conference on Jan 13th 2008.
GrantJan. 31, 2008 10:23 a.m.
I would have several mental health councilors advaiable to interact with these folks, and warn them about drinking too much " cool aid ".
AndJan. 31, 2008 10:26 a.m.
ye shall know them by their works.
Some Guy from Out WestJan. 31, 2008 10:21 a.m.
It would be awesome if a couple area Relief Societies got together and made them some hot food (Mormon women do make a mean casserole) and hot chocolate (SLC in Feb.? burrrr) and brought them some extra blankets in case they get too cold.
jmdspkJan. 31, 2008 10:08 a.m.
First remember that the Baptist Church has nothing to do these people.
Second remember these people are a hate group pure and simple. They hate Mormons, they hate Catholics, they hate Jews, the hate Muslims, they hate the United States, they hate many other countries including our neighbor to the north.
Third these people will be there to create conflict. This so called church is supported by a law firm run by the church founders. They try to get people mad and take action. Then they will file lawsuits against the people, the city for not protecting them and anyone else they can get money out. Like Doug Wright said, stay clear of these people and ignore them because they want to start a fight.
Fourth, these people will die out because they are only allowed to marry within the church and most of the young woman are not getting married or having children.
LDS in MichiganJan. 31, 2008 10:01 a.m.
This group is afraid..afraid of truth. Most people who know something is true however do not want to admit it and will do whatever it takes to ensure that truth does not come to pass. President Hinckley was the perfect example of this truth and faith and we would all be better people if we followed his example of that truth and faith that he held so dear to his heart.
EmptyJan. 31, 2008 10:02 a.m.
What a great example of an empty life driven by pointless feelings we have before us here with the Baptist Church. What spirit is leading these people?
AnonymousJan. 31, 2008 9:53 a.m.
We dont need a permit to walk down the street signing songs because we are not protesting.. We should all do it.
unbelievableJan. 31, 2008 9:57 a.m.
If these people claim to be christians they need to read up on what a christian is. I know for a fact that Jesus would not approve of protesting a funeral for anyone. I hope they realize that what they are doing is not christ like. They need to find more productive things to do with their time like serve the lord.
GeorigiaConvertJan. 31, 2008 9:50 a.m.
Love thy neighbor as you love yourself. It is a hard thing to do, but it is what Christ has asked of us.
I like the idea of members singing hymns in the streets. The misguided can feel our love and witness true praise and worship. Perhaps one of that group may be receptive to the spirit, and realize the error in judgement.
I can't be there physically, but I'll be at our Ward Building watching the service broadcast.
Praises to our Saviour!
AnonymousJan. 31, 2008 9:51 a.m.
I have seen it all: I used to be a member of a local Baptist church, and they were very judgmental against the LDS faith. That is why I left to join this wonderful LDS church that says be kind to everyone. But I don't think even that Baptist church would go as low as protesting during a funeral. That is very disrespectful no matter whose funeral.. Would you find a LDS ward protesting during Billy Graham's funeral or the Popes funeral?? I think not that is why We are the true Church Of Jesus Christ,and are Christians!!
LeviJan. 31, 2008 9:50 a.m.
I think everyone that attends the funeral should shake hands with these people and say "hello". Be kind and show them what we are all about. We follow Christ's example.
Scott S, Vacaville CAJan. 31, 2008 9:48 a.m.
What can I say that hasn't been said already? They don't have the truth, its clear to all. They are very misguided but that is clear as well. To the members of the Westboro Baptist Church, you are only embarrasing yourself but we still love you and as wrong as you are, we believe you have the right to choose, but be prepared to accept the consequences. The distasteful action will just go ignored by most, now is not the time to belittle someone, let it go, remember love the sinner, not the sin.
IronicJan. 31, 2008 9:47 a.m.
Can't put the link here, but Westboro has a press release regarding their protest of the Prophet's funeral. There are 2 great ironies about this stemming from the press release and this article:
1. The press release criticizes LDS teaching that man can become like God, yet apparently they already know "Hinckley is in hell," something only God can know.
2. Westboro's spokesperson criticized Pres. Hinckley for apparently not being tough enough on gays. I'm sure there are groups who would disagree and say he and the Church were too tough.
LDS in TNJan. 31, 2008 9:43 a.m.
All I can say is that I stand on my committment to support the rights of others to express their opinions. Otherwise, I will not lower my standards to the level of these people.
REALLYJan. 31, 2008 9:39 a.m.
I am pretty sure this is what Jesus would do. NOT!! Your time could be better spent feeding the poor or something else. Obviously the work of Satan to incite feelings of hate and discontent.
AnonymousJan. 31, 2008 9:32 a.m.
Here is a chance to live what he taught. I can think of no better way to honor him. Avoid contention. Don't wrestle with a pig in the mud.
outsider looking inJan. 31, 2008 9:32 a.m.
That anyone would protest or disrupt a funeral, whether that of a fallen soldier or a church leader, is disgraceful. These monsters want to get a reaction from the LDS members who attend the funeral. The best way to handle them is to ignore them. Don't give them the angry reactions they crave.
I am not LDS, but perhaps this episode will make LDS members more sensitive to what the rest of the country has experienced for years at the hands of Westboro Baptist "Church" (they are independent and NOT affiliated with any national Baptist group, no one would want them!).
They protested the funeral of Matthew Shepard (the man who was murdered in Wyoming for being gay); their website despicts Shepard burning in Hell.
They protest at military funerals all over the country, upsetting the families of soldiers they never even met.
They even said the tsunami disaster in Thailand and Indonesia---to which the LDS Church sent substantial aid---was punishment from God.
I would not want to see the First Amendment suspended. Rather, is it too much to ask for these kooks to show some decency and respect to the bereaved?
AnonymousJan. 31, 2008 9:29 a.m.
These people would love to cause a fight and controversy. The response that would best honor Pres. Hinckley would be to simply ignore them. I'm sure that's what he would do.
RobertJan. 31, 2008 9:28 a.m.
Folks the best thing you can do is ignore them, they WANT reaction, you can either have civility and peace in your heart when President Hinckley is laid to rest, or you can ad to the atmosphere by being confrontational, think about which one the Prophet would have approved of.
AnonymousJan. 31, 2008 9:33 a.m.
They are our brothers and sisters too and we should shower them with love and kindness. As the old saying goes.....Kill them with kindness. Remember the Prophet and Sister Hinckley will be in attendance and watching. Let's honor them both by protecting what we hold dear and sacred and not lose the Spirit. Pray and fast that day and unite your families together and Satan will NOT prevail. We must be doing something right, if the adversary is using others to make such a fuss about the leaders of our church. Hmmmmmmm????????? Something to think about......
UW-MadJan. 31, 2008 9:27 a.m.
If the Westboro baptists are the only people going to heaven I don't think I'd want to be there anyway!
On a 1st amendment note, the city has to approve their right to a peaceful law-abiding protest. "Protest" implies that the views held by one group are contrary to the views held by others. We can't just shut it down because we don't like what they have to say. In order to retain our rights to speak, to gather together, and to express and practice our religion we need to respect the rights of others. Their protests are frustrating and annoying, but if we don't pay attention to them they have no lasting effects.
GeeZJan. 31, 2008 9:30 a.m.
Every one of you are holding up your own signs..just do what Hinckley would do and go about your business..recognize it's America the beautiful. Then follow what you profess to believe in CHOOSE THE RIGHT! Don't get uptight! Have a good day and walk w/love , peace , happiness!
SLTJan. 31, 2008 9:25 a.m.
Isn't Mike Huckabee a Baptist?
SarahJan. 31, 2008 9:24 a.m.
To Contrasts: I'm sure I'm not just speaking for myself when I say that the comments of sympathy and respect from non-religious, or non-member, individuals are greatly appreciated. I've been very humbled and touched by everyone's kind words this week, as I'm sure many others have. Thank you.
FreedomJan. 31, 2008 9:29 a.m.
I am against any personal disrespect for Mr. Hinckly. I think he was a good man and deserves the love of his followers. I think people have the right and reason to protest the office he held. There are many questions and concerns about the authenticity and practices of the church that people fear and disrespect. People should have the right and opportunity to know the truth and not be bound by irrational indoctrination and force. I hope one day the mormon people will be free.
AnonymousJan. 31, 2008 9:27 a.m.
I don't think we should stop it. I like the right to express my oppinions. Let them say their peace and ignore it. It doesn't change who he was or what he did. And, in the end they have chosen to live angry spiteful lives, so they have payed the price for their choices already. If you fight them it only lends creadence to what they are saying.
Keep in mind....Jan. 31, 2008 9:27 a.m.
.... that even though we've had our differences with Baptists in the past, these guys aren't the same thing. These Westboro lunatics are a fringe movement, completely marginalized and ignored by every mainstream denomination and not affiliated with any of the Baptist Conventions. They get their press by doing these sorts of stunts, but they're just a bunch of extremist twits.
Don't give these jerks the pleasure or the dignity of any attention. Just help give President Hinckley the dignified and loving farewell he deserves, and let those people do what they will.
AnonymousJan. 31, 2008 9:20 a.m.
Jesus said love everyone. I would say that this baptist church is not practicing what Jesus taught. Shame on them.
re: Who to contactJan. 31, 2008 9:22 a.m.
Let them speak.
We can all decide if we agree or not.
Unfortunately the Constitution protects "Stupid Speech"...
Re: ContrastsJan. 31, 2008 9:16 a.m.
Who said we hold you in contempt? I know several secular humanists that are great people, and I like them...I am sure that you also are a nice person. Let us know when your atheist leader dies, and we will mourn with you.
Jo Ann ArmourJan. 31, 2008 9:19 a.m.
Pray for these people, do not stoop to their level by calling them names. We are COMMANDED to love one another, and we must follow the example of our Lord and Savior, and ALL the prophets. They loved and forgave everyone who trespassed against them. The Savior at the last supper, at his trial, on the cross, etc. We have the TRUTH, and it is our responsibility to tell those who are in darkness to come to the light. President Hinckley IS a true prophet(as were those before him),ordained in the pre-existence. They all used their agency in the right way and served, as asked, in this divine calling. When those of other faiths, religions and beliefs have gone beyond the veil, and meet the Savior face to face, they will not be able to say that we did not tell them. They will be responsible for themselves. In the meantime, we must open our mouths and not sit on the things we have been taught, witnessed and been partakers of. Press forward!
Pres HinckleyJan. 31, 2008 9:17 a.m.
Any group of individuals who support the stances taken by this group of so called Christians should be ashamed of themselves. I have no problem with people having different religious views or with people who have no religion. They are completely free to choose what they believe in.
If President Hinckley were still alive he would probably council us to extend a hand of love to them and to make them feel as comfortable in Salt Lake City as possible.
Thank God for the restoration of the gospel and for great Prophets like President Hinckley
S. L. PaytonJan. 31, 2008 9:13 a.m.
These people are sick. How can someone be so full of hate and anger? By their fruits I guess. God bless our Prophet and his family. President Hinckley is truley where these folks think they are going.
Funding?Jan. 31, 2008 9:04 a.m.
Where does this church get their money to fly people all over the U.S. to do things like this? We should find out who attends there, what businesses their members are running and BOYCOTT and dry up their pockets any way we can. If anyone out there is reading this and has any info, please post so we can do something about this group.
Anonymous in SandyJan. 31, 2008 9:04 a.m.
I love the idea of the crowd singing We Thank Thee Oh God for a Prophet, and other inspirational hymns while waiting in line. The voices of 100,000 people singing will uplift and overshadow any poison these people have to spew. We, as Latter-Day Saints, worship in song. Music comforts us as we grieve. Lets seek to uplift and be loving.
Love your "enemy"Jan. 31, 2008 9:04 a.m.
This is far from a christian act. Shame on these Baptists. I think it's obvious whose being led astray. I hope the rest of the Baptist community will condemn this action.
opportunityJan. 31, 2008 9:01 a.m.
Life is about lessons, this one is as basic as they come, "love your neighbor", "blessed are the peacmakers"..."turn the other cheek"...'if you have done it unto the least of these my brethren you have done it unto me'...great opportunity to apply these lessons, and teach them to our children.
As you listen to their words of hate you realize where it is coming from, and makes you feel like you must be doing something right. There really is no reason to take offense with these people. I'd be more concerned if they held a President Hinckley memorial honoring him, these really are troubled people...just hope that life's lessons will somehow touch them, and changed their troubled lives.
LyndaJan. 31, 2008 9:06 a.m.
I really feel sorry for these protestors. It is a shame that they don't have or want the truth. I will keep them in my prayers. I am so very greatful for the LDS church and President Hinkley and I hope and pray that someday everyone will have what we have and feel the love that we feel from our Savior and from each member of this church. God Bless America and America Bless God.
BewilderedJan. 31, 2008 9:05 a.m.
I am somewhat familiar with the Westboro Baptist Church. I actually admire them for their firm stand against homosexual behavior. This is why I am a little surprised. Don't they realize that they and the LDS Church are on the same side on this particular point, that the LDS Church is one of the remaining churches out there that firmly refuses to bend its standards to the demands of the homosexual lobby?
Who to contact @ SLC goverment?Jan. 31, 2008 9:03 a.m.
Does anyone know who to contact in the SLC gov. that could stop this this. It is just not right!
baptist at out funeral?Jan. 31, 2008 8:54 a.m.
Protesting a funeral? How little respect this shows on their behalf. Why not celebrate his goodness rather than focusing on some mute point that is hardly substantiated, considering the church literature produced on the topic. The Savior taught to love everyone regardless of differences. Pres. Hinckley emulated that teaching better than anyone.
llmJan. 31, 2008 8:59 a.m.
This is the same group that protests funerals of fallen soldiers with signs that say "God hates gays."
It's totally inappropriate and very low class.
GoodGuyGaryJan. 31, 2008 8:53 a.m.
Don't they have jobs?
Contrasts.Jan. 31, 2008 8:52 a.m.
Notice us atheist let you morn and follow your beliefs in peace as civil citizens should? Maybe, it's not the secular humanist that you should hold in contempt.
CONFOUNDEDJan. 31, 2008 8:50 a.m.
So, this permit to demonstrate in the process of being approved? APPROVED? Seriously. You'd think Rocky was still mayor. But, I have to agree with the previous comments saying "let them come and make fools of themselves..."
AnonymousJan. 31, 2008 8:50 a.m.
I saw we form a group that blockades the corner they want to protest at. When they try to protest military funerals a group of bikers block them out, I saw we do the same.
CatherineJan. 31, 2008 8:44 a.m.
IGNORE THEM. All they want is an audience and to create shock value. Don't even give them the time of day or waste your breath on any words to them in passing.
JoeJan. 31, 2008 8:50 a.m.
I feel bad for these people, they have obviously let their intolerance for the rest of the world blacken their hearts.
Lets show them love and show them what Christianity really means!
Ask them if they like Utah, thank them for visiting Temple square and turn the other cheek and don't let them ruin the spirit of our dear prophet. Let us live his legacy and do what he would want us to do.
Honor GBHJan. 31, 2008 8:46 a.m.
The best way for us to honor President Hinckley is to follow his example. He exemplified TRUE Christianity when he lived up to what is sometimes the more difficult requirement of our religion, as spoken by the Savior: "But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you." (MT 5:44)
When a group of protestors showed up at the Rexburg temple open house, volunteers took them punch and cookies from the open house. That is what it means to be Christian. I don't mean to preach, because I am FAR from perfect. But, President Hinckley would not want us to say negative things about these individuals, because to do so is contrary to what Christ taught. They can't hurt the church anyway. I love President Hinckley and am inspired by his ever-positive approach to life.
SteveJan. 31, 2008 8:40 a.m.
Wouldn't it make a great statement if everyone attending the funeral would lay a single flower at the feet of any protesters as the passed by without saying a word.
Jeff BJan. 31, 2008 8:41 a.m.
The truth will always be persecuted.
Hate mongersJan. 31, 2008 8:39 a.m.
Go to Youtube and search "The Most Hated Family in America" and you can watch a documentary about this crazy family, which pretty much make up the whole congregation. It's enough to make your stomach turn.
Utah BeekeeperJan. 31, 2008 8:38 a.m.
Sometimes we must be content to "be still and know that I am God" When Westboro Baptist Church's cup of bile is full, they will be dealt with by a long suffering, patient and perfect Father in Heaven. I will bee watching Saturday. The most excellent thing is that I believe President Hinckley had no idea just how great a MAN he was! What an example to attempt to follow.
Josh TanJan. 31, 2008 8:30 a.m.
Classless, disrespectful, unchristian - how about adding selfish and self serving? These baptish ministers get paid for their "service." Business not booming "eh" (as we say it here in Canada).
Oh BoyJan. 31, 2008 8:35 a.m.
I think President Hinckley would wave at the protesters and smile to them. Everyone should do the same. Bigotry still exists in this and othe Baptist churches if that is what they are called. Really they are hate centers. Oh well. We wish them well.
AnonymousJan. 31, 2008 8:29 a.m.
Have some respect for a wonderful man. Honestly, protesting a funeral of a beloved leader? And this is coming from the church that claims Mormons are not "Christian." It looks like they sure are though...
AnonymousJan. 31, 2008 8:23 a.m.
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE IGNORE THEM. If anyone going to the funeral of President Hinckley gives this "hate group" any attention, they will accomplish their goal of disrupting what will be a moving and spiritual tribute to a prophet. If they get one picture in the media of an LDS member confronting them, they will celebrate all the way back to Topeka and their pathetic, miserable goals will be accomplished. IGNORE THEM. AVOID THEM. Don't punch them out, as I know that will be tempting.
ChadJan. 31, 2008 8:27 a.m.
No First Amendment!
Just as the 1AMD protects the rights of those who want to protest his funeral, It also protects the rights we have as a church. There was a time when we couldn't say what we wanted and it resulted in the death of Joseph Smith and the infamous extermination order. Remember the the 1AMD doesn't just pertain to things that we want to hear, but things that we don't want to hear also. I would rather have a few protesters at President Hinckley's funeral, then not have the right to assemble and worship how we please every Sunday. No 1Amd, no General Conference. Think about that.
3-2-1 ContactJan. 31, 2008 8:21 a.m.
Let these immature protesters come. Let them come & sleep in our motels and eat in our restaurants and buy gas at our gas stations. Yes, let them come and boost our economy a little.
All we have to do is ignore them. Sure, there will probably be one over-zealous idiot that gets in a fight with them and gets arrested-there always is. But, if we all ignore them, they won't get the satisfaction they seek.
We thank thee O God for a Prophet.
Remember Lonnie Pursiful?Jan. 31, 2008 8:12 a.m.
This is no different than your typical conference session during the Main Street Plaza flap.
If the members of the Westboro Baptist Church wish to make fools of themselves, I for one won't stand in their way.
Brigham Young once said: "Any time you kick Mormonism, you always kick it upstairs, not down. The Lord Almighty so orders it."
bmaclvsprezHinckleyJan. 31, 2008 8:12 a.m.
What would Pres. Hinckley say to this group? He would say, "Come in from the cold. Warm yourselves in the halls of our buildings and by hearts of the people of this church. We love you. We don't need to understand you to love you...our love for you is without condition." Maybe something like that.. Oh, how I will miss my dear Pres. Hinckley! May I learn to bridge gaps and take the sting away from contention as he did! Pres. Hinkley was proof that God loves ALL His children!!
CathyJan. 31, 2008 7:54 a.m.
We have been given an opportunity to practice those principles of kindness so often taught and demonstrated by President Hinckley. It can be our priviledge to be his legacy.
AnonymousJan. 31, 2008 7:57 a.m.
I second A Modest Suggestion's proposal. I think that this article is that last one we need to have about this scheduled protest. Any other press will be playing into their hands.
LinJan. 31, 2008 7:52 a.m.
and we wonder why the 'christians' were fed to the lions !!!! any lions in Utah? God Bless President Hinckley
GTJan. 31, 2008 7:46 a.m.
Where do they come from? Thy started as the KKK. The Southern Baptist Convention decided in the 80's not to allow it's followers to be the leaders of the KKK. So now they demonstrate with a unflaming cross but the same hatred. Sad!!
Get RealJan. 31, 2008 7:51 a.m.
What a classless act. I just have to wonder who would want to participate in something like this.
GregJan. 31, 2008 7:51 a.m.
Who cares? I don't.
California ReaderJan. 31, 2008 7:43 a.m.
This particular Baptist church will provide a stark contrast to the Lord's true Church and what Christianity is truly about. They must be miserable and should have our pity. If any one of them had bothered to read about Pres.Hinckley's life, they would stand in awe of one of the most extraordinary men that ever lived. I am glad to have been influenced by Pres.Hinckley's loving, Christlike life.
Not LDS or ChristianJan. 31, 2008 7:49 a.m.
This extreme group is VERY small - somewhere between 70 and 150 people. They believe themselves to be Christian, but are anything but. I am neither Christian nor LDS, and these people offend me because they give Christians a bad name. To protest a funeral (military, LDS, or otherwise) is simply horrible. I do hope funeral attendees realize that most people respect and honor their mourning, and that giving these lunatics any reaction will only feed their fire. Go in peace.
GoodJan. 31, 2008 7:48 a.m.
Come and protest. Your wasting money in travel, your wasting quality time with your family, and really do you think it's actually going to be effective. Why are people so interested in devoting this much of their time and resources to dispute one singular church. Hmmmmmmmmmmm....let me guess. We'll see you in SLC on Saturday.
A modest suggestion...Jan. 31, 2008 7:37 a.m.
I propose that no reporting (other than this article) be done on this group and their protest this weekend. Just ignore them. Give them no press. Don't argue with them, pretend like they are not there. These people typify what it is that I do not like about organized religion. They are definitely not Christians and need serious help and probably medication as well.
NC momJan. 31, 2008 7:33 a.m.
"By their fruits we shall know them." These poeple seem to be the most unchristian like I have seen. The acts of this congregation only goes to prove that Satan will lead good people astray. To protest at aonyone's funeral is repulsive. I hope those who are able to attend the funeral are blessed with peace and able to feel the spirit of the Lord despite the efforts of the protesters.
SurprizeAZJan. 31, 2008 7:26 a.m.
Isa. 5: 20
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
AnonymousJan. 31, 2008 7:18 a.m.
Why even waste the space of your newspaper with this insignificant drivel? These people do not deserve a mention.
MelanieJan. 31, 2008 7:17 a.m.
Why is okay to protest where people are mourning? I just think that is disrespectful no matter what you believe. What if someone were to say those things when one of their leaders died? They probably wouldn't like it very much. It's ridiculous people think they are exemplifying Christ when they do things like this.
R.KolkJan. 31, 2008 7:07 a.m.
At a time like this, I can more than understand and appreciate Porter Rockwell's approach. My life and family has been blessed by the leadership of President Hinckley.
BPJan. 31, 2008 7:10 a.m.
On the bright side, I guess it says something about the growing influence of the church. Does this mean that the church is as threatening to the Westboro Baptists as America? If so, that's a big step forward (in an assanine sort of way).
BTW- I've always wondered what judgment day is going to be like for over-zealous religious practitioners of any faith (especially violent or contentious groups). Man...I'd buy a ticket for that show (does that make me akin to those groups? I hope not...).
Not a fanJan. 31, 2008 7:05 a.m.
Westboro Baptist Church is well known for their outrageous hate mongering and attention grabbing tactics. I am not a religious person but I have long been appalled at their strange and mean spirited behavior. They have been showing up at funerals of troops killed in action for a number of years yelling that God hates America and killed the troops as a judgment against America for tolerating gays. They have fewer than 200 members, they are just very effective at grabbing media attention via crass stunts like this.
Mis-informedJan. 31, 2008 7:10 a.m.
This group is nothing more than mis-informed.
They lack truth, and are prisoners of ignorance.
So we should only care that they are lost, nothing more. Its not a disrespect to Pres Hinckley because they don't know him or who he was. Let them be and hope one or all one day will understand.
Lets look to ourselves and the ways we disrespect the life he lived and the gospel truths he taught us and try to improve, because we know better and should be better.
georgiaonmymindJan. 31, 2008 7:06 a.m.
By their fruits ye shall know them. I loved Pres. Hinckley and with millions sharing my feelings his fruits were love and forgivness the way a true follower of our savior shoul have
Turn the other cheekJan. 31, 2008 7:05 a.m.
Best way to show your religion is to walk by these folks, give them a "good morning," and turn the other cheek. It's a waste of time calling them names.
Dr. Judith SandersJan. 31, 2008 7:00 a.m.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, agsinst the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." Ephesians 6:12. It never ceases to amaze me what the Adversary will do to subvert righteousness.
Can you imagine what kind of people are taken in by this? Only those influenced by dark principalities. I feel sorry for them. What impoverished lives they must lead.
A convert of 11 years. I so love our Church.
KAEJan. 31, 2008 6:58 a.m.
Reading this makes me even more grateful to KNOW that he his back in the loving arms of his dear wife and of our loving Savior Jesus Christ!
CaseySeeJan. 31, 2008 6:51 a.m.
A silent, peaceful protest in front of their cab or rental car some how preventing them from making it to their site, might be interesting. Or perhaps a flat rental tire or a cabby or conviently got lost might cause them to think as well. Remember how Bringham Young slowed up Johnston's army in the 1850's. He had Porter Rockwell drive off their horses and relocate their food and livestock feed. No one got hurt and by the time the Army did arrive, cooler heads prevailed. I wonder if something like this might not help.
ChrisJan. 31, 2008 6:56 a.m.
I cannot imagine protesting at someone's funeral. I think it is shameful and disrespectful. I may not share the religious beliefs of someone else, but to malign him and make opportunistic use of the publicity his funeral generates to serve my own agenda is self-serving, un-Christ-like and awfully petty.
Another planJan. 31, 2008 6:49 a.m.
I am hoping someone gets a permit directly across the street from them to get a nice group together to sing the hymns most loved by our Prophet. What a sign that would be to those trying to incite hate and anger--hymns of love and compassion about Christ.
15 MinutesJan. 31, 2008 6:46 a.m.
Haven't these bible-thumping, mean-spirited, "Christians" got something better to do than disrupt the last rites of a much-loved man? They must have sad and pathetic lives if this is what they spend their time and energy doing.
NYJan. 31, 2008 6:41 a.m.
What a bunch of pathetic losers. On the other hand, criticism by this group should be welcomed. I would be very concerned if these people were honoring President Hinckley.
JWKJan. 31, 2008 6:38 a.m.
While at times the First Amendment causes us pause, without it no church could preach. They would have the right to practice but what they said could be used to hurt them.
Already, those freedoms are under attack. In California there is a bill, or at least was a bill, that made it illegal to do or say anything that some special interest group could prove actual or 'imagined' fear or damage. I wonder why this church doesn't protest that.
We know who these people are and what they stand for. As long as they cannot make distracting noise or interfere with the funeral it won't cause problems. They can be ignored, as they should be.
AnonymousJan. 31, 2008 6:31 a.m.
I did a search on this Westboro Baptist church, it's headline is God hates fags. I can't believe people would actually belong to a church that preaches hate. God loves everyone, we are all His children. Just as we love our own childeren, unconditionoally, even more so. I can't believe they are protesting at the Prophets funeral.
Phyllis WaechtlerJan. 31, 2008 6:17 a.m.
I think there are more important things in this world than protest at the President Hinckley.
To me it is disrespectful and rude.
He was a great man and an awesome prophet.
Let us honor him and not disrespect him.
There is certainly a limit to freedom of speech,I think we should learn when to keep our comments to ourselves and let those who loved him mourn in love and peace.
no first amendment?Jan. 31, 2008 6:06 a.m.
I understand how hurtful it will be to have protesters at a funeral. It's a horrible thing to do, but to wish away the First Amendment?! Do you want to lose YOUR right to free speech in other instances? Ignore them. That will make a statement, as well.
SadJan. 31, 2008 5:35 a.m.
This makes me very sad. Deepest sympathies to his family. He was very loved.
Liz HolmesJan. 31, 2008 5:31 a.m.
How very sad We love our prophets and will sing with all our hearts We thank thee oh god foe a prophrt.
Farmington ReiderJan. 31, 2008 5:19 a.m.
All this group is doing by such a disrespectful act is giving a bad name to their denomination, a bad name to their city, and a bad name to their pastor and his family. I poor pity the children raised by such people, with such a sad example placed before them of how (not) to treat all people with the respect they deserve.
jph1223Jan. 31, 2008 4:54 a.m.
So, this is Christianity? Actually it's called smash-mouth Christianity. 3 Nephi 11: 29 - 30 and D&C 10:63 describes them perfectly and who is the source of their hate and anger. Amazing, to denigrate the funeral of a great religious leader in order to popularize their hate. Where do I sign up?
stephenJan. 31, 2008 4:24 a.m.
We must "forgive them for they no not what they do" God bless our Prophet dear. I'm grateful to belong to a loving church, a forgiving church, Christ's church.
hamamaoko kambamuraJan. 31, 2008 3:57 a.m.
I pray for the protestors that one day they will know the truth and the truth shall set them free. The Church Of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints is the only TRUE church upon the face of the whole earth. no apologies. Gordon B Hinckley was and is a prophet of God just as Moses of old. A true saint from Zimbabwe.
DisgustedJan. 31, 2008 2:10 a.m.
Amazing that they could consider themselves Christians and behave in such a manner. It is absolutely reprehensible to disturb a funeral and behave that way when people are mourning. You would think there is a way to voice your opinion without imposing on funerals and disturbing people who have lost loved ones.
Foo-BearJan. 31, 2008 1:46 a.m.
Surely the Westboro Baptist Church does something that is normal, compassionate, and Christian. The
protests in the media are just bizarre, cold, and cultish. I'm sure that even Jesus scratches his head at the sight and says, "Huh?"
Total dirtbagsJan. 31, 2008 1:10 a.m.
Sometimes I wish there was no First Amendment.
Matt--West JordanJan. 31, 2008 12:58 a.m.
Just when you think the signs of the times couldn't be more clear, you hear about a "church" group that will hold up a sign saying "Hinckley is in Hell." I've seen it all.