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Dpreview Recommends: Top 5 Compact Cameras
'What camera should I buy?' That's a question we get asked a lot here at dpreview, and it's a tough one to answer. We use a lot of cameras, from simple point-and-shoot models to professional workhorses, and everything in-between. We review as many of the interesting models as we can, but we can't cover everything, and our reviews are spread out across the year, which can make it hard for you to make buying decisions.
In this short article, we've selected five of what we think are the best zoom compacts on the market right now, spanning the market from point-and-shoots to Raw-capturing high-end cameras. By 'zoom compact camera', we mean cameras with non-interchangeable zoom lenses, regardless of size. Of our top 5 selection we've summarized their major strengths, with links to previously-published content, including samples galleries. Here are the cameras we've selected (in alphabetical order). You can click to go directly to the camera you want to read about or just start at the top:
- Canon PowerShot G15
- Olympus XZ-2
- Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ200
- Panasonic Lumix-DMC-ZS20
- Sony Cyber-shot RX100
Canon PowerShot G15
$499 / £499
Canon's PowerShot G-series is one of the most iconic lines of digital compact cameras, with the original G1 having debuted back in September 2000. The latest model, the G15, features a 28-140mm zoom with a fast maximum aperture of F1.8-2.8 mated with a Canon-made 12.1MP 1/1.7"-type CMOS sensor. The G15 features an ISO range of 80 to 12,800 and full HD movie recording at a frame-rate of 24 fps, with stereo sound from the built-in microphones.
Canon PowerShot G15 key features
- 12 megapixel 1/1.7" CMOS sensor (7.4 x 5.6mm)
- 28-140mm (equivalent) F1.8-2.8 lens with 4-stop 'Intelligent IS'
- 3 in, 920k dot PureColor II G screen
- Raw + Raw+JPEG capture
- 1080p video recording
- Optical viewfinder
In our testing, we found that the G15's long but impressively bright lens is a real selling point compared to both its predecessor, and indeed most of its competitors. Having a maximum aperture of F1.8-2.8 combined with a useful 28-140mm (equivalent) zoom means that you've got a lot more flexibility in poor light, allowing you to set either a lower ISO sensitivity for cleaner images, or a faster shutter speed to avoid camera-shake or blurring due to subject movement.
In other respects, the G15 is a very solid performer, firmly in the G-Series tradition. This latest model is fast and responsive in use, offers about as much direct manual control as you could hope for, but isn't as bulky as previous G-series compacts. This is partly due to Canon's decision to go with a fixed LCD screen on the rear of the camera, rather than an articulated model. This makes the G15 less flexible when shooting from awkward angles, and when shooting movies, but the increased portability compared to earlier models, and competitors such as Nikon's Coolpix P7700 is very welcome.
As far as image quality is concerned, the G15 doesn't disappoint. Detail capture is high at the low end of its ISO sensitivity scale, and its 28-140mm lens is excellent, aided by a very effective image stabilization system that we've found can deliver sharp images at shutter speeds as low as 1/15sec at full zoom. The G15 gets noisier at its higher ISO settings but even at ISO 3200 and 6400, image quality is good enough for small prints or web use, and for critical use, shooting in Raw mode will allow you to get the most out of the camera. All in all, the G15 is a great performer and a pleasure to use. The G15 is highly recommended for anyone that needs a general-purpose compact with lots of manual control that can deliver great quality images.
What we like: Excellent 'hands-on' ergonomics in a small, relatively portable body, optical viewfinder can be handy on occasion, very nice image quality, good, responsive operation.
What we don't like: We miss the G12's articulated screen, and the lack of any meaningful manual control in video mode will frustrate budding filmmakers.
- Canon PowerShot G15 Full Review
- Canon PowerShot G15 Samples Gallery
- Canon PowerShot G15 in our product database (full specs, user reviews and much more)
Olympus XZ-2
$599 / £423
The Olympus XZ-2 is the successor to 2011's XZ-1 and offers a lot of improvements. The XZ-2 incorporates a more modern 12MP CMOS sensor, a screw-in hand grip, tilting touch-screen and a two-mode control dial around the lens. Although the XZ-2 features the same lens as its predecessor, the 28-112mm equivalent range is useful and the F1.8-2.5 maximum aperture is still impressively fast, promising greater versatility in marginal light than some of is competitors.
Olympus XZ-2 key features
- 12.1 megapixel 1/1.7" BSI CMOS sensor (7.4 x 5.6mm)
- 4x 28-112mm (equivalent) F1.8-2.5 lens
- 3.0 in, 920k dot LCD screen
- JPEG, Raw, Raw+JPEG capture
- 1080p video recording
- Customizable stepped/stepless front control dial
What we like: Fast lens, proven 12MP CMOS sensor, excellent ergonomics including extensive customization, good image quality (on initial assessment).
What we don't like: It's too early to make a definitive judgement, but the XZ-2's lens range isn't as wide as some of its competitors, and it's a little pricey.
Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ200
$549 / £439
The 12MP Lumix DMC-FZ200 is Panasonic's flagship super-zoom compact digital camera and features a lens with an F2.8 maximum aperture across its entire zoom range of 25-600mm (equivalent). Last year's DMC-FZ150 (which we liked a lot) had an F2.8 - F5.2 lens, so the lens on the FZ200 is a huge improvement, and the extra brightness should make a real difference at long focal lengths and/or in poor light, allowing you to shoot at lower, less noisy ISO settings.
Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ200 key features
- 12.1 megapixel High Sensitivity MOS sensor
- 24x 25-600mm (equivalent) lens with F2.8 across the zoom range
- 0.2 in EVF (Electronic View Finder) with 1,312k dot equivalent resolution
- 3.0 in, free-angle 460k dot LCD screen
- RAW and RAW+JPEG data recording option
- High Speed Video at 120 fps (HD) or 240 fps (VGA)
- 1080 60p video recording in AVCHD or MP4 formats
- 12 fps continuous shooting
Its constant F2.8 aperture makes the FZ200 stand out in its class, especially when it comes to versatility in poor light, or when shooting at the long end of the zoom. That large aperture allows it to offer faster shutter speeds at the same ISO settings as its peers, or use lower sensitivities at the same shutter speeds as the competition. In our testing, we found that in everyday outdoor shooting, the extra brightness of its lens meant that we rarely needed to select the FZ200's highest ISO sensitivity settings.
This is good news because although the FZ200's image quality is very good at the low end of its ISO sensitivity scale, things get pretty nasty above ISO 1600, as noise really kicks in and the camera's noise-reduction system smears away fine detail more than we'd like. As always though, if you stick to small prints or web display, these issues are much less noticeable. If you're critically-inclined, the FZ200 offers a Raw capture mode - still relatively unusual for this class. Shooting in Raw can make a lot of difference and careful processing will reward you with excellent image quality, particularly between ISO 100-400.
As well as offering impressive brightness, the FZ200's 25-600mm lens also offers very good sharpness. Considering the large maximum aperture and ambitious zoom range, we had no complaints about the FZ200's lens for everyday use. There are cameras out there with longer lenses (Nikon's Coolpix P510 is great value, also offers very good image quality and boasts an extraordinary maximum telephoto setting of 1000mm equivalent) but in terms of its feature set, versatility and overall performance, the FZ200 is one of the best super-zooms we've ever used, and highly recommended for anyone that needs the ultimate in flexibility - especially when traveling.
What we like: Fast, high-quality F2.8 lens, well thought-out ergonomics for still and video shooting, effective image stabilization, good image quality in JPEG mode and the option to shoot Raw for best results.
What we don't like: Image quality drops above ISO 800 in both JPEG and Raw, and ISO 6400 is unusable for all but the least demanding output, some operations can be a little 'laggy', no automatic LCD/EVF switch.
- Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ200 Full Review
- Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ200 Samples Gallery
- Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ200 in our product database (full specs, user reviews and much more)
Panasonic Lumix DMC-ZS20 / TZ30
$249 / £229
Panasonic was the manufacturer that defined what we now call the 'travel zoom' segment of the compact camera market, and its latest flagship model, the ZS20 (TZ30 in some markets) is the most advanced yet. The ZS20 offers a 20x zoom lens, covering the equivalent of 24-480mm, built-in GPS and a new 14MP MOS sensor that allows for features like high-speed 10fps burst shooting and 1080p60 video recording.
Panasonic Lumix DMC-ZS20 / TZ30 key features
- 14.1 megapixel MOS sensor
- 20x 24-480mm (equivalent) F3.3-6.4 lens
- 3 in 460k dot LCD screen
- 1080 60p video recording in AVCHD or MP4 formats
- 10 fps continuous shooting (for burst of 10 images)
- Built-in GPS
The Panasonic Lumix DMC-ZS20 packs in some great features, foremost among which is undoubtedly its 24-480mm (equivalent) zoom lens, which is Panasonic's most ambitious lens yet in the ZS/TZ series. For traveling or just everyday point-and-shoot photography, the ZS20 is hard to beat in terms of sheer versatility. If you're shooting a wedding, we wouldn't recommend relying on the ZS20 as your only camera, but for grab shots, the ability to quickly re-frame from 24mm to 480mm is extremely useful, especially in a camera that can slip into your jacket or pants pocket.
|The ZS20 is a slim travel-zoom camera which features a 24-480mm (equivalent) zoom lens and built-in GPS.
|On the back you'll find a 3 inch LCD display with 460,000 dots and a small cluster of buttons.
When we used the ZS20 we were impressed by its adaptability, but also by the effectiveness of features like its built-in GPS. While most GPS-equipped cameras just log your location, Panasonic also offers a built-in database of a million landmarks, plus maps of ninety countries. It can even show you where you are on the map, though they're not nearly detailed enough for navigation. If you don't need GPS though, you should turn it off - it will reduce battery life. The ZS20 is also capable of recording excellent video footage, up to 1080/60p, which is still relatively unusual in cameras in this class, although in video mode, the ZS20 is effectively a point-and-shoot camera.
Speaking of which, we like Panasonic's iAuto mode a lot. If you have no idea how to operate a camera, just set the mode dial to iA mode, and the camera will do the rest. The ZS20 has a limited set of manual exposure controls as well, but lacks the option to shoot in Raw mode, bracket white balance or focus manually.
The main strengths of the ZS20 then are its versatility and ease of use. Image quality is decent, but not outstanding. If you'd prefer better images, with fewer bells and whistles, the ZS20's 'younger brother' the ZS15, is worth a look.
What we like: Great zoom range, responsive operation, excellent iAuto mode gets the most out of point-and-shoot photography, useful 10fps burst mode, very good built-in GPS.
What we don't like: Average image quality, limited manual control, relatively low-resolution LCD screen (by the standards of the best of its competitors).
- Panasonic Lumix DMC-ZS20 Full Review
- Panasonic Lumix DMC-ZS20 Samples Gallery
- Panasonic Lumix DMC-ZS20 in our product database (full specs, user reviews and much more)
Sony Cyber-shot RX100
$649 / £443
The Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX100 is an enthusiast compact camera based around a large 1" 20 MP CMOS sensor, paired with a Zeiss-branded 28-100mm equivalent F1.8-4.9 stabilized lens. The rest of its specification is pretty impressive too - a 1.2 million dot 3.0" LCD (VGA resolution but using Sony's WhiteMagic technology to offer greater brightness or improved battery life), and 1080p60 video capture or 1080i with the ability to shoot 17MP stills without interrupting movie recording. All of this in a body of roughly equivalent size to more conventional compact cameras with much smaller sensors.
Sony Cyber-shot RX100 key features:
- 20.9 MP 1" Exmor CMOS sensor (13.2 x 8.8mm)
- 28-100mm (equiv), F1.8-4.9 Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* lens with Steady-Shot image stabilization
- 3" 1.2M dot 'WhiteMagic' LCD screen
- ISO 125-6400 (ISO 80 and 100 expansion, up to 25,600 using multi-frame noise-reduction)
- JPEG, Raw, Raw+JPEG capture
- 1080p60 video, (AVCHD) with MP4 option (50p in PAL regions)
- 10 fps continuous shooting in 'Speed Priority' mode
The RX100 is a very impressive compact camera, partly just because of the amount of technology that Sony has squeezed into it. The RX100's sensor has twice the surface area of the 2/3" EXR sensor inside the Fujifilm X10, and around three times the surface area of the 1/1.7" sensors in most other high-end compacts. The RX100 offers excellent image quality which is a step above its compact competitors in most situations, from bright sunlight to the subdued environment of a bar or concert venue. The only camera which really tops it in terms of critical image quality is Canon's PowerShot G1 X with its even-larger 1.5" sensor, but the bulky, more expensive Canon is also slower, and in some respects less pleasant to use.
As well as solid image quality for still photographs, the RX100's video specification is very impressive, and its performance is excellent. 1080/60p video recording is still pretty unusual in compact cameras and resolution is very high, and footage very smooth. Unlike some of its competitors, the RX100 also offers a useful amount of manual control in video mode.
On the whole, the RX100 is a pleasure to use, too, thanks to its generous external controls and customizable Fn menu, which provides quick access to up to seven shooting parameters. Its front control dial is unusual - it moves smoothly, making it ideal for zooming or manual focus (but much less fun if you want to use it for setting discrete exposure parameters like aperture, shutter speed or exposure compensation).
The RX100 isn't perfect, but we're impressed by it not only as a feat of engineering, but also by its overall performance. The larger sensor really does make a difference, placing this camera at the top of the class when it comes to image quality, and making it worth the price premium compared to some of its competitors.
What we like: Excellent image quality, small, portable body, good, fast lens (at the wide end), excellent video specification and performance.
What we don't like: USB charging, front control dial isn't great for setting discrete exposure parameters, flash exposures aren't completely reliable, image on rear LCD can be hard to see in bright light, lag when magnifying images in playback mode is frustrating.
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Does anybody know when the Oly XZ-2 is supposed to start shipping in the US? I initially heard late October but can't find a firm ship date for the camera now.
It looks like Olympus XZ-2 announcement has been rushed as the new spate of fast aperture cameras being released has really taken the wind out of its sails. It has finally put a decent image and video engine behind the excellent lens but is all a bit too late.
Thanks TIMES magazine, light the way for me to purchase one of the 50 best inventions of 2012 :-)
Thank you DPreview to put a nice yellow stick saying it has the best picture quality in photography and video, all with a silver medal! what if it had gold!! wow
Now I'm a RX100 happy user, now I can sleep peacefully :-)
What an interesting read.... Everyone so passionate about the brands they have bought into, look they are all good cameras but wont suit everybody's needs as a photographic tool, but there are choices and good choices as an alternative.
Buy and try that's what I do and enjoy the technology on offer !
All well and good, but I miss the LX7. I am a very satisfied user, and its cratering price should have earned it a spot in the line-up
Yes and considering it is on sale at B&H for $299.99... The LX7 is a HOT deal right now.
i don't find this list strange. the fact is that whilst looking for a smallish camera with a zoom lens i looked at three of these - the fz200, the xz-2 and the rx100. all three have something to offer given my basic criteria of smaller and lighter than my k5, generally more convenient for grab and go than my m9 and better in low light than my dlux4. i opted for the rx100, but if it doesn't work out, the xz-2 (which is just a tad bigger than the dlux) could be the one. i must be one of the few who is not enamored of canon colors, so the canon would not make my list at this time. this is a good starting point list if you recognize that it's for those who want a camera with a zoom lens that is not a dslr. after that, caveat emptor!
I think a lot of people just want the best IQ in a still compact form. For a long time this meant 1/1.7" sensors. Then came the Fuji X100 (and Leica X1) but they were beyond compact for most and outside of the 'compact' price bracket.
After that we got the Fuji X-10 but the difference in sensor size was not that large. At the same we got faster lenses in the 1/1.7" sensor size, first the LX3/LX5 then the XZ-1, and now the LX-5 (and the G15 also has much faster long end).
Thus the people-who-care-about-IQ-in-compacts market got broader, from the Canon S series up to the Fuji X-10 and G15 but no 1/2.3" sensor camera would ever fall into the category: I'll fix a size, give me the best IQ in that size bracket.
And then the RX100 happened and except for the long end upended all previous 'compacts' in low light and everybody in good light IQ.
Seems to me the RX100 is the winner.
Like earful I don't prefer Canon-like colors (and like him/her I had a K-5). Last year I bought the XZ-1, which is great in many situations, but not in low light, and it isn't much smaller than my NEX-5N (not including the lens, though). With their superb EVFs, on either of these, you got a not as easily transportable package.
The new XZ-2 promises to be better in low light, though!
While we're(the readers) being silly,why not include a Kodak Instamatic for a then and now chapter?Barney,I hope you get paid by the word!Cheers
I wish I did! And I wish replies to comments counted towards the total ;)
I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me why the G15 is the only camera here that has the same price in dollars and pounds (499). Its more direct competitor, the RX100 sells for$649 and £443, that is a fair ratio of 1.46. The £/$ exchange rate is 1.6, but taxes are higher in the UK so 1.46 is fair. Which means the G15 could/should sell in the UK for £340, nowhere near £499 as it currently does...
Yes I know. But if I ask them, nothing will come out of it. If somebody like you asks them and tells them that DPR readers (and potential Canon buyers) are indeed noticing Canon UK are asking for a lot more money than they should, then maybe we could all benefit. Just tell them we are being put off by such tactics and going to other brands that appear fair to their British customers.
FZ200 considered a compact camera.....either the dpreview editors were nipping on too much Thanksgiving special sauce or they took a dose of stupid pills.
You haven't read the introduction, then? Stupid pills indeed...
As a 'plus' for the olympus XZ-2 I'm surprised DPReview hasn't mentioned the VF-2 (and VF-3) optional EVF viewfinders. On a recent sunlit woodland event the Vf-2 proved a great bonus for some photos on the XZ-1 ... just saying.
Expensive but EXISTS.
What an odd grouping of cameras. They only have two things in common, they have non-removable zoom lenses and dpreview liked them.
Some of the things dpreview liked and didn't like seem very random. Example: They said the LCD on the RX100 can be hard to see in bright light. Isn't that true of all LCD screens? Isn't, for example, the screen on the G15 also hard to view in bright light? Why no mention of that? I'm lead to believe that the screen on the RX100 more difficult to view in bright light than all the others. I don't have the camera, but I thought it was suppose to have an advanced LCD that actually made it a bit better in bright light. Can an RX100 user comment on whether or not the LCD on that camera is especially bad.
We wrote about this in our in-depth review of the camera (you'll find the link above).
"What an odd grouping of cameras. They only have two things in common, they have non-removable zoom lenses and dpreview liked them.": That seems like a good criterion.
@ PC Wheeler - you'd think so, but this is the Internet...
Barney, I have read the review, in fact I read it when it first came out. Not to beleaguer the point, but in the review dpreview seems to make the comment about the LCD in the context that it is still hard to see in bright light in spite of the "Whitemagic" technology it employs. Above, there is no context. Rather you simply find fault with the LCD on the RX100, but not on the other cameras. This lead me to wonder if the LCD is the worst of the bunch, which is not an unreasonable question, though it apparently is one you can't be bothered to answer.
PC Wheeler, This is indeed an odd grouping of cameras in my opinion. They range from a tiny compact $200 camera, to a large advanced superzoom, to another compact that costs $650.
Barney, the word odd is not synonymous with the word bad. I mean its strange and not something I've seen done before. Dpreview can do what ever groupings they want and it won't offend me in the least, of that you can be sure. Might I suggest that next dpreview puts together a group you like that are available in the color red. After all, Christmas is coming.
I have to laugh at all the fanboys crying over their keyboards because they didn't read the intro and their cameras are not mentioned. Come to think of it the Yashica Electro 35 GT isn't on the list, come on Dpreview, what are you thinking???!!!
I've been whipping myself with knives in penitence all morning.
I've shot a lot with the P7700 (and I like it) and we fully intend to review it. Just because Canon 'wins' in this single - short - article, doesn't mean that Nikon 'loses'.
Yes. The Electro 35.....my first real camera! Funnily enough, that exact same design and exact same simple set of features, with a FF, or even APS, sensor in place of film, would be a mega-hit still today. And would be top of loads of Black Friday and Xmas lists. Hell, it would beat RX1 in my book. A simplified X100, with RF focus, no AF, no EVF, no complex menus, raw only. Do not even really want a LCD on the back, just the 2 little flashing LEDs on top. Your Electro 35 mention got me dreaming this morning,.. ;-) thanks!
Interesting list. I was smart enough to read the text first :) so I was not surprised at the variety. As always, personal preferences, brand loyalty etc. will have many disagreeing. It is after all only recommendations.
Do we have any English or Latin linguists around here ? I am neither (not even a native speaker), so I am confused:
"Compact" surely implies "holding together". Does it also necessarily mean "small" ?
Compact does not mean small or holding together. The best synonym I think is dense. high specific gravity. packed full of something or another, even force-filled. with technology presumably in the case of these cameras.
Of course we all know that RX100 is the only compact camera here. The rest are just normal specific gravity.
let us google compact etymology:
late 14century, French word compact or Latin compactus= "concentrated"
--"to fasten together, construct,"
--"with, together"+ "to fix, fasten"
The noun meaning "make-up case" first recorded 1921, based on its containing compacted face powder;
compact car 1960.
Compact disc 1979.
DP guys, Would you please share us your XZ-2 review before you scoring, that we can check too...
and however i am not fan of this sony´s cam (else than its excellent built quality) , how can a RAW capable cam can be lower on that list than a jpeg only zoom cam?
ps: and wondering where is the LX-7 in this comprehension, and have you checked nikon´s P7700 yet ?
This seems misleading, and I fully agree with Slanicka below. LX7 is a really great little camera (the best?), and you have yet to bring a full test of Nikon's P7700, which naturally belongs in any group including the G15.
'DPReview recommends' - you can argue all day about what we chose to recommend, but it's not misleading.
What Barney says: "DPReview recommends" .... it could Amateur Photographer or DC Resource or Steve's DigiCams or BH Photo or your local camera store recommendations. Either one will be too subjective for some and, if that's the case, the best thing to do is go to as many sites (that do reviews) as possible, compile all their recommendations, digest all the information and, then, come to your own conclusion :)
I can't believe my eyes. I have checked calendar. Today is not 1.april. Where is LX7, P7700, XF1 and other cameras which takes good pictures? If you define category which requires to choose between G15, LX7 or P7700, so I don't agree but accept that the G15 win. But the theme is Compact cameras. Compact. So why is FZ-200 between compact cameras? Is it possible to put this monster into pocket? No! Much more compact than FZ-200 is G1X.
Boys, boys, I believe that you made this list of top 5 cameras with good intention but without description of your ideas we don't understand to you.
This is intended as a market-spanning quick roundup of 5 (in our opinion) standout models, from point-and-shoots upwards, covering the major classes of compact zooms. I would hope this is obvious from the selection, and from the explanatory text in the opening paragraphs.
And the G15 doesn't 'win' it's just first in the list because it's an alphabetical list.
The one you left out is the superb Fujifilm X-10 which has excellent image quality, a larger 2/3" EXR sensor that provides superior high ISO/low noise and dynamic range performance, a fast zoom lens that works like a real camera, superb build quality, a 7-element coated optical viewfinder that is actually useable in the real world (unlike the one in the Canon), built-in optical image stabilization, and super macro focusing. This camera is also way more fun to use than those listed here.
To Barney Britton: What could it possibly matter if there is just list of cameras from 5 classis? Whom it will help? I think this is illusory list because it looks like list of Top 5 cameras.
People just don't get it.. This is not a definitive statement. it is 'DPR recommends' from a broad range.. It will never be and was never intended to be yours or mine choices to be included.
Barney keeps explaining it but few seem to be listening
RX100 is the best and with a clearviewer it works perfect
G1X is useless slow. RX100 is great with a Clearviewer as VF
"The one left out" - many are "left out" as it were, I for one would have added the fun-to-use Casio EX-ZR300, but a lot of people would not have. But DPReview picked their five.
FZ200 is certainly not pocketable, compact? Not in my opinion.
I stopped reading after that.
@Alser - but it is a 'compact camera'. And this is a roundup selection of our top 5 recommended compact cameras.
By the way, I have carried an FZ200 in my coat pocket more than once. It fits in just fine.
'bridge' is a fairly outdated term, but the FZ200 is a 'bridge' compact camera, if you want to call it that, and at this point in time, it's our recommendation in its class. But the Nikon P510 is very nice too - unexpectedly nice - and good value. Which is mentioned in the text.
For anyone who is using this list as a guide, I would strongly urge them to compare some of the images from these cameras to images from mirrorless DSLRS. With the exception of the Sony above, you will not get the same image quality (or video quality) from these cameras as you would from one with an APC-C sensor. Plus, you lose the flexibility of adding on lenses down the road. If a long zoom range and (coat) pocketability are must-haves, then go for it. But if you are like the majority of snapshot shooters and typically try to get wide shots, consider a camera like the Sony NEX-5N with a 16mm kit lens. Either way, just make sure you look at plenty of photo examples on line and see which camera produces the kind of look you like: bigger sensor = better looking photos with soft backgrounds.
This list is about compact cameras.
System cameras are simply not small enough and offer only marginally better image quality. Besides, for most shooters little dof is NOT what they want.
I guess I'm not familiar with the strict definition of "compact." What is it? And does the FZ200 fall into that category?
I second that advise to look at mirrorless cameras. An E-P M or GF-5 plus pancake is certainly smaller than a bridge and thicker but same width and less high than a G15. Same is true for the Nikon 1 series.
(If the only real NEX pancake wouldn't be so bad optically off-center, I add that to the list as well.)
Urbanplanner, the definition is given in the article.
Compare the FZ200 to a system camera with the same zoom range and you'll know which one can be called "compact" ;-)
X10 blows away any camera listed here. Please consider it if you are shopping for an incredible little camera with fantastic abilities.
Fuji is AF handicap(molasses), did I mention their sub par glass, no thanks.
X10 doesn't blow away anything.
It is a great camera, but just a little too big, esp. regarding thickness.
Agreed. And there's no issues around AF from a real-world perspective.
I totally agree with you.
I used to have a Sony NEX5N (with 5 lenses) and I still have a Sony RX100. My gf bought an X10 because she liked its look(of course :-)).. I was wowed with the quality of the images out of that camera. And she doesn't even try ;-)
After seeing the quality of X10, i decided to switch to Fuji X system . I got my X-E1 last Friday and I LOVE it. I will be buying all their lenses slowly.
I know nobody cares what I say, but DPR, you should start paying attention to Fuji!
I wonder if he's actually shot any of those two. I personally wouldn't want my X10 to be any smaller, it's just perfect as it is, at least for my big hands, we're talking cameras, not toys or phones. BTW, the AF on my X10 is the fastest I've seen on any compact camera so far, faster than any of my NEXes (5, 5n, 7) especially in low-light.
Fuji bias. What's wrong with the X10 in your view? A stellar camera.
Read the Cons (and, of course, the Pros). It's not as if we don't publish this stuff anywhere nearby.
I think the cons comments are misplaced, but I then I live with my camera and use it everyday. There's no way you can tell me the G15 sensor is better than the X10's.
Because in that high-end segment, we prefer other cameras more.
My guess: Because it is not well balanced in its pros/cons.
Barney, I think it would be a more useful and interesting article if you detailed why you chose each camera in each segment. Most of us aren't choosing a "superzoom compact" vs a "pocketable compact". We decide we want a superzoom then choose in that category. So an experts view on why the Panasonic edged out Canon, Nikon, et al would be great.
We've already published in-depth content on all but one of the cameras in this article, and more will follow - this is a deliberately quick overview on a day when a lot of people will be shopping for good deals on cameras (in the US, at any rate).
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DPR already reviewed Fuji X10 in July 2012. Is not this good enough? : D
It was nice seeing RX100 at the end of the list which is what you expect if it is the best in the list right? Best IQ and smallest.
"Best IQ" is oversimplification. RX100 has best IQ under two conditions:
- you stay away from the subject (the lens does not like close-ups)
- you avoid tele-end (the lens is quite a lot slower @tele than the LX7, XZ-2, P7700 and G15, forcing you to use high ISO).
The RX100 is about half a stop slower at the long end and about a stop faster at the wide end than LX7, XZ2 and X10 once you account for sensor size. And that is only for low-light IQ, for good light IQ, the RX100 eats them all for breakfast.
It's weak point is the lens' optical quality. Best to stay away from the tele end and from close-ups as you say. But then different raw files are the weak point of the X10.
best of all and in tele you can go to 3200 iso. works great in RAw and as viewfinder you use the Clearfinder. RX100 fits in your pocket. The best camera is the one you can take with you.........
The sensor size is NOT to be taken into account ! That means, if a scene requires 1/30s @ISO800, f/1.8 for 5DMkIII (full frame), then it requires the same 1/30s @ISO800, f/1.8 for G15.
In other words, f-number has twofold impact on your photography: a) it determines DOF, b) it influences shutter speed.
But while for a) you have to account for the sensor size, b) is not influenced by the sensor size.
And sensor size influences SNR for a given ISO. The larger the sensor, the better the SNR for a given ISO. Inversely, the larger the sensor the higher the ISO can be for a desired SNR.
To use your approach: if a scene requires a SNR of 30 db than you would use about ISO 140 on the LX-7 and ISO 400 on the RX100. Using the corresponding maximum f-stops of f/1.4 and f/1.8, you could use, eg, 1/50 s on the LX-7 and 1/100 s on the RX100. Voila, the RX100 is one stop faster in terms of shutter speed for an image with the same SNR (ie, same amount of noise).
Decent list, although I don't see how you exclude either the Fuji XF1 or the Nikon P7700 for a camera like the ZS20. IQ of the ZS20 is just nowhere near these two cameras, and you already have a super-zoom in the FZ200, why have the ZS20?
Outside the RX100, the XF1 has the very best IQ of the bunch, and an extraordinarily sharp manual zoom lens (both the XF1 and RX100 have slow f4.9 max apertures at 100 but the XF1 is wider at 25mm @ f1.8). The same probably could be said for the P7700 regarding IQ, AND the P7700 has some fantastic manual video goodness, mic jack, tilt-swivel LCD that even the Canon does not have.
I would also probably put the Canon S110 over the ZS20. The ZS20 is a good camera, but lack of raw and mediocre jpegs is kind rough if you're picking the cream of the crop.
The list is meant to span the compact camera market. Giving you our recommendations across that segment, from point-and-shoot, through superzoom, up to high-end Raw-shooting enthusiast models. I had hoped this woud be very very obvious but have edited the introduction to make it even more so.
Great article. Wanted to make one point: I have the RX100 and it's so-called 17MP still shots when recording video really isn't as good as DPR makes it sound. It's an up-scaled image, probably from a still frame of the video I suspect.
And the click of the shutter button is easily audible on the video being recorded.
It was a feature i was looking forward to using a lot, but it is, at best, an emergency-use only feature.
Otherwise: Great camera!
Interesting article... Unlike the older reviews of various classes of P/S cameras helping us to select the one that best suited our needs these cameras really don't compete with each other. Does this article represent what DPR considers the best of class???
It's a quick overview of what we think are 5 of the best compacts currently on the market. This is not a group-test, because the 5 cameras in this list are drawn from different segments of the compact camera market.
Great list DPR keep up the excellent work....wow this thread is just pure comedy.
Isn't it just?
Why is Nikon V & J NOT included, same sensor as the Sony......umm. Did G15 hit three birds with one stone, these birds V, J and the P7700......I guess so.
The Nikon 1 V1 and J1 aren't included simply because they're interchangeable lens cameras - an entirely different class. The Canon EOS M, Sony NEXs, Panasonic Lumix Gs, and Olympus PENs are excluded for exactly the same reason.
@marike6 - if you want to be able to shoot distant subjects with a camera that fits in your jacket pocket, the ZS20 is clearly a better choice than any of the cameras you've suggested. One size doesn't necessarily fit all, which is why we've covered a range of camera types in this article. (Also, as it happens, 'travel zoom' type cameras considerably outsell 'enthusiast compacts'.)
But who would want to shoot distant subjects with diffraction, DOF, and SNR equivalent to f/32 on FX???
You'll likely end up with visible camera shake, subject motion blur, diffraction blur and image noise at the same time. Even at base ISO in good light where camera shake and subject motion blur might be absent, diffraction blur and contrast muddying remain and noise is still present.
Be Nice to understand if what was excluded, like the Panasonic LK7, and Nikon p7700, was for meritorious reasons or for, well we just haven't had a good enough look at it yet to make a fair comparison.
Some publications do this sort of thing on a rolling basis like the hit parade, such that when something comes along that is better, the line up is changed to reflect that.
Nevertheless a useful list Thanks DPR.
I sympathize with DPR staff, really. First, they are nice guys and they do the very good job !
But this article just feels like an (hopeless) attempt to tame the rabid RX100 fans who polute all the comment sections with their resolute demands for an immediate annihilation of every camera with sensor smaller than 1".
At the same time, the article falls victim to the absurdities of the camera industry terminiology that developed over the years. "Compact" and "P&S" are terms introducing far more confusion than benefits in camera categorization.
- "P&S" is a terminological fossil from 1960s, as instead of camera's capabilities it describes the camera's operating mode.
- the disadvantage of the term "compact" is that one is not clear whether it describes the size or atomicity of a camera.
I think the most reasonalbe way out of this mess is to accept the situation that we have several (possibly overlapping in particualr aspect) categories of cameras.
Interesting and all deserving of "Gold" awards (probably a few other should have been included - but then would be top 10).
However all catering for slightly different markets......from superzoom to enthusiast.......anyway.....good drool material.
This list is intended to cover a range of different types of compact. I've now made that clearer in the introduction. Other models worth looking at are mentioned (and linked to) in the test.
Barney, I am a regular visitor here and really like your efforts, generally. But this kind of tests sux, and it is good that your readers says it. It tries to do by far too much - and that with only five cameras. The cameras are only examples, even though good ones for five different categories. It would be better to describe the five categories in general, and then (without much words) mention 5 good cameras from each category.
I find this general recommendation a bit hard to interpret.
For instance "best all-rounder" sounds like the best all around... But probably has the worst image out of the bunch. RX100 which is quietly tacked at the bottom is a true gem, and its position misleads people to believe it is an afterthought. While Canon G15 is sitting in the top spot (I guess alphabetically) with meaningless comment like "fast lens, great ergonomics." Its lens is no faster than few others and ergonomics alone surely does not qualify a camera for such an endorsement.
Perhaps it would be better to have some table with types of features reviewers have been looking at and how each camera has scored. This would in a glance explain the criteria for each.
@jwhig Some people have eyes but cannot see : D
cannot see, and call themselves photographer?
DMC-FZ200 is a bridge not a compact. Better to include a Nikon, Fuji and Samsung as well. Top 7
Are you really suggesting we should include cameras in the list purely because of the brand name on the front, rather than on merit?
@D1N0 - I'm sure that article would get read (and commented on...), but recommending by brand (for compacts at least, where there's no collection of lenses to stop you from buying outside of 'your' brand) goes against what we try to do with our review content.
The cameras we recommend are recommended for their merits. The name on the front doesn't come into it.
So if your meriting system favours a certain brand (like Panasonic) then maybe there will only be Panasonics in this line up. Choosing a camera is very personal. So if you would let me use the weight slider, of each merit category, maybe five different camera's would come up.
And LX7 that is currently sells for $299 didn't make to "recommended" ???
See DPReview replies below.... the XZ-2 beats out the LX7. Simple as that.
$299?! This is crazy...
Here in Europe it costs $600... what a mean spread.
Why is the Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX7 not listed?
To me, the image quality of the LX7 is on a par with the ZX-2 and a little bit below the Sony RX100.
It was beaten out by XZ-2. See Andy Westlake's reply below.
I like Olympus. I do not have the ZX-2 but I have the ZX-1. Based on previous reports the ZX-1 was a camera with a good picture quality. To me it was a big disappointment. I am not using it anymore, and I do not want to buy the ZX-2.
The same happened with the Panasonic LX3. They said that the LX5 was better because it had a better lens (range), etc. To tell you the truth, I gave away the LX5 because it was no better that the LX3 at all. Its picture quality was the worst, it tends to overexpose some pictures, and it is poor in low light.
I have own a few G series from Canon. I cannot complain about them. I have also tried the Sony RX100 (from Lens Rentals) and feel comfortable with it.
But showing the ZS20 instead of the LX7 -which is a good camera- makes no sense. At least to me.
Why would I pay for $550 motorized toyzoom that is slow and sluggish and smeary even in lower ISO. Pay a visit to PTF and see all those miserable results from that camera. I can get a $300 Fuji HS30 and produce better result plus the excellent manual zoom and ergonomics.
Wow, great to see my comment was taken into account and DPR has now corrected their mistake on the G15 price! I therefore withdraw my Canon-bias suspicion:)
Thanks for making me dream for a while though..£360, I'd buy it tomorrow..
But then again it really could/should be £360 or less! See your RX100 USD/GBP market price ratio: 649/443 = 1.46. The equivalent G15 price in the UK should then be: 499/1.46 = £340. Why oh why Canon wants to push for such an inflated price in the UK? Do you have an idea? It's a question that has been on my mind for years.
EDIT: I withdraw the "silently" as well then.
I am surprised that the Fujifilm X10 is not included in this group.
As a former X10 owner, I agree with _sem_; the X10 was an almost great realization of its concept. Now I'm an RX100 owner (fanboy, if you prefer) and feel that it better lives up to its aspirations.
The orbs problem is not an issue with any cameara with a "22XXXXX" serial number on it.
Fuji will replace older X10 sensors for free so it's not an issue with any X10 camera. On the other hand, if your main concern is pixel peeping for fine detail the X10 doesn't equal the RX100.
You're right Chris, the prices quoted very closely or exactly match amazon's prices (at least Amazon UK where I checked).
Except that is for the G15 where they quote an incredibly low price which is about £140(220$) less than the actual amazon price! People maybe would be excused to think that DPR are indeed Canon-biased, when even mistakes make Canon look the best and cheapest..
The error in the G15 price has now been corrected. Yes, we do sometimes make mistakes, but equally, we acknowledge and correct them.
This looks like a Camera Junkie's Christmas wish list! But seriously, kudos on such a great list!
Please tell me where in the UK can I buy the G15 for 360£!!!
The price you quote is way lower than the actual price which is around 440-530£.
I mean if it was only £360 from a street shop (where I could easily go back and exchange it should it come say with a decentered lens-wouldn't be a surprise) then I would seriously consider it. But at £500 no way Jose.
Actually you can buy it for £310 here:
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That was an error, and has now been fixed.
Not too sure where you are getting the prices -
Amazon UK list the Canon G15 at £498.17 (not in stock)
Camerapricebuster give a range from £434.99 to £529.00
Amazon USA list it at $449
Perhaps it better that you don't list euro prices as requested below - will confuse matters even more
P.S. I didn't bother checking the rest
Question to those who know:
G15 - " ... but impressively bright lens is a real selling point ..."
how does that hole for letting light in compare to the hole on the RX100 or other ' 1" ' cameras?
Isn't the lens fast because the sensor i small?
For Sony to match the G15's AV & TV at the long end, you must crank up the ISO by 1.5 stops.
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The University of Minnesota, Morris men's soccer team starts the 2011 season 1-1-2. The Cougars started out with a loss, and after posting back-to-back ties, picked up a home win in non-conference action.
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The Cougars started the season Sept. 1, falling 2-0 on the road to Saint John's.
The Johnnies used a goal in each half - one just before, and one right after the break - for the final 2-0 margin in the season opener for both teams.
The Cougars put the pressure on first, with a header on frame just 10 minutes in from Devin Chuba. Four minutes later, a corner kick from Matt Johnson led to another shot from Chuba, but again the shot landed in the hands of Johnnie keeper Mike Sikich.
The corner kick was the only attempt of the game for the Cougars, while the Johnnies took four in the first half on their way to nine in the game.
Saint John's would go on to flip the pressure and take a 10-5 lead in shots into the break, including the game's first goal at the 41:06 mark. Lucas Wagner sent home a Josh Whitaker pass for the eventual game winner.
Coming out of halftime, SJU wasted little time before going up 2-0, as David Wee put away a Michael Coborn pass at 52:56.
The Cougars managed another five shots in the second half, but were only able to get one on goal, while the Johnnies fired off seven in the period, with four landing on net.
The Cougars were outshot 17-10, with SJU holding an 8-4 edge in shots on goal.
Tyler Weber played all 90:00 minutes between the pipes and falls to 0-1 on the young season, finishing with four saves on the day. Chuba led the offense with two shots on goal, with Greg Borchers also taking a pair of shots, landing one on goal.
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Trailing 1-0 with just over two minutes to play, sophomore Michael Ward put away the tying goal, as the Cougars earned a 1-1 draw with Kean in Colorado Springs Sept. 4.
Morris was playing their first of two games on the weekend in Colorado, and as they were approaching the games 90th minute, still found themselves trailing 1-0. Kean broke a scoreless tie just out of the halftime break, as their Pat Foley put away a header at the 49:51 mark.
The Cougars outshot Kean in the second by a 9-5 margin, but had to use every minute of the second to avoid their second consecutive loss to open the season.
Then with a ball loose in front of the frame, Ward got enough to slip it to the back of the net, tying the game at the 88:43 mark. It was one of two shots in the game for Ward, who entered off the bench to tie the match. Borchers led the way with six shots, while Johnson added three.
The Cougars fired off 15 total shots in the game, landing six on goal. Kean countered with 18 shots, also landing six on frame.
In overtime, the Cougar defense held Kean without a single shot while the offense created a pair of chances in the second extra session.
"I think we played well, after a long day of travel," head coach Scott Turnbull said. "It was really good to find a way to tie it up, the ball was loose and Michael was able to knock it in."
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The Cougars left Colorado with a pair of ties, after settling for a 0-0 draw in double overtime with host Colorado College on Sept. 5.
Weber stopped all five shots he saw to preserve the tie, and earn his first shutout of the season. On the offensive end, five different Cougars charted multiple shots, leading to the 13 that Morris put up as a team. The Tigers fired off 23 shots, but the Cougar defense was all over the field, allowing just five to reach Weber, the fewest shots on goal allowed all season.
Glaser led the way on offense with four shots, while Johnson, Michael Schuweiler, John Hastings, and Chuba all added two. Johnson and Glaser each added shots in overtime, but neither were able to find the back of the net.
Johnson also had back-to-back corner kicks late in the second, but the Cougars only produced one shot as the game headed to overtime.
Colorado College took seven shots in the two extra sessions, but was unable to make them count as none reached Weber.
UM-Morris 1
Concordia 0
In need of a victory entering the season's fourth game, the Cougars answered in a big way Wednesday, Sept. 7, scoring an exciting 1-0 win over MIAC power Concordia on Cougar Field.
In a hard fought, but even game, the Cougars broke through late in the first half on the back of Borchers. The senior captain took control of a ball that was caught between the teams near the top of the 18. Using his knees and chest in addition to his feet, Borchers dribbled through a trio of Concordia defenders, and once behind them, fired off a shot to the far post that beat the keeper to his left.
"I think we played our best game so far this year, first half especially," Turnbull said. "Had almost a perfect half, played very well. Greg scored a really great goal, working hard, it's all about effort."
The goal came at the 39:13 mark of the opening half, and was one of 13 combined first-half shots.
With the shutout, the Cougars make it two straight without allowing a goal, as the defense turned away 12 total Concordia shots, with only two making to goalkeeper Weber.
Weber was also dynamic on balls served into the box and on more than one occasion played loose balls eliminating shot attempts. The senior has allowed a mere three goals in four games, and just one as the Cougars are unbeaten in their last three.
Playing from behind the entire second half, the Cobbers mounted just five shots, but were not without their chances. A physical game with 30 total fouls called and six yellow cards handed out, Concordia had multiple free kicks inside the box that were defended nicely by UMM.
"Our defense has been solid all year," Turnbull said. "I can't say enough about those guys. They've only allowed three goals in four games now. Two shutouts in a row, that's a pretty big deal. That's probably the most important thing to me is not allowing goals. They just did a fantastic job. Weber again played great and really deserved a shutout."
The Cougars also held Concordia to just two corners in the match, while taking five of their own.
Borchers' goal was his first of the season and went unassisted, while he took two shots. Glaser led the team with five, with Ebrima Badgie also taking two.
The Cobbers were led by Riley McGlynn with seven, but just one landed on goal.
The Cougars post their first win over a MIAC team in over two years, with the last coming on Sept. 5, 2009 with a 1-0 win over Hamline.
Morris will stay on Cougar Field as they close out the nonconference season, hosting UW-Superior today (Saturday) at 3 p.m. Prior to the men, the Cougar women will also host UWS, kicking off at 1 p.m.


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My resolution is on the recommended 1600 x 1050 but everything is tiny and very hard to read and also blurry.
I have tried all the other available resolutions but they are way off.
It was perfect with vista.
I see others on the forum are trying to get other resolutions that aren't currently available on their set up. I think I may need to do this.
Could anybody let me know how to do this?
Many thanks
edit: I have downloaded the latest driver for my Graphics card from the Nvidia website
edit: I have it sorted now, I managed to put it to 1280x960 on the nvdia control panel
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Tom Clancy's The Division will have dogs
Back in June, we wrote an article highlighting the four factors that define the next-generation gaming. We listed open-world, blending single and multiplayer, a second-screen experience, and free running. Tom Clancy's The Division, an open-world title from Ubisoft that combines RPG elements with third-person shooter gameplay, has three of those four factors (skipping out on free running).
But ya know what? There's a fifth factor in all of these next-gen games: Dogs. And to make up for the lack of free-running, The Division will have dogs.
"Well, it's a next-gen game so obviously it's got to have dogs!" Ubisoft's community manager Nicholas Ross-Edwards said, jokingly -- except that it really will have dogs.
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So my newphews birthday is today and I offered to make the cake. My family (knowing how busy I have been with cookies) told me "make a box cake mix in a regular pan!". Of course, I can't do that, so i went all out and make a 12x18 cake,and cut it in half and stacked it. Then i decided, since elmo came out so good for my cousins birthday i will try to do a character he likes…Lightening McQueen.
So…...this cake took me about 6 hours total and i am NOT happy with the outcome. I dont know how people pipe things on cakes like this!! Elmo was sooo much easier! i thought about doing stars all over in the right color, but then i didn't know how i would do stars in the spots that were really little!! so i ended up like piping color on and then trying to smooth it out with my finger. Didn't work.
Then since, elmo's red got sooo dark overnight, i decided to start with a lighter red and hope that it got darker ovenight….it didn't. so he's again, kind of light pinkish red.
Then i tried writing his name and for some reason, the orange was coming out of the tip VERY quickly and the food coloring was seperating!! so i tried to write REALLY quick and it just jumbled up, lol and looks like a kid wrote it! At this point, i gave up (2nd time this week).
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Yo Suzuki is an Assistant Professor in the Synthetic Biology and Bioenergy Department at the JCVI. He uses the 'Green Monster' method for genome engineering. In this method, GFP-marked genomic alterations such as deletions and insertions are assembled into a single genome via repeated rounds of mating, meiosis, and flow-cytometric enrichment of yeast cells harboring the alterations. He is interested in (1) generating yeast multi-mutants to reveal previously unidentified genetic interactions, (2) introducing exogenous biosynthetic pathways into yeast to make valuable compounds, and (3) engineering bacterial genomes residing in yeast to help characterize the minimal cellular life.
Yo earned his Ph.D. in molecular biology from the University of Colorado for his work on a C. elegans TGF-b gene with Bill Wood. While in Colorado, he became interested in the problem of multi-gene genetic interaction. As a postdoctoral fellow with Min Han, he identified genes that act in parallel with a C. elegans homolog of the tumor suppressor gene PTEN. He switched to yeast and developed the Green Monster method for multi-locus engineering in Fritz Roth's lab at Harvard Medical School. He joined the JCVI in 2010.
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Suzuki Y, Assad-Garcia N, et al.
Bacterial Genome Reduction Using the Progressive Clustering of Deletions via Yeast Sexual Cycling.
Genome Research. 2015 Mar 01; 25: 435-44.[more]
Karas BJ, Suzuki Y, et al.
Strategies for Cloning and Manipulating Natural and Synthetic Chromosomes.
Chromosome Research : an International Journal on the Molecular, Supramolecular and Evolutionary Aspects of chromosome Biology. 2015 Feb 01; 23. : 57-68.[more]
Labunskyy VM, Suzuki Y, et al.
The Insertion Green Monster (iGM) Method for Expression of Multiple Exogenous Genes in Yeast.
G3 (Bethesda, Md.). 2014 Jul 01; 4: 1183-91.[more]
Karas BJ, Wise KS, et al.
Rescue of Mutant Fitness Defects Using in Vitro Reconstituted Designer Transposons in Mycoplasma Mycoides.
Frontiers in Microbiology. 2014 Apr 01; 5: 369.[more]
Karas BJ, Jablanovic J, et al.
Direct Transfer of Whole Genomes from Bacteria to Yeast.
Nature Methods. 2013 May 01; 10. : 410-2.[more]
Noskov VN, Karas BJ, et al.
Assembly of Large, High G+C Bacterial DNA Fragments in Yeast.
ACS Synthetic Biology. 2012 Jul 20; 1. : 267-73.[more]
Suzuki Y, Stam J, et al.
The Green Monster Process for the Generation of Yeast Strains Carrying Multiple Gene Deletions.
Journal of Visualized Experiments : JoVE. 2012 Mar 01;. : e4072.[more]
Cokol M, Chua HN, et al.
Systematic Exploration of Synergistic Drug Pairs.
Molecular systems biology. 2011 Apr 01; 7: 544.[more]
Suk K, Choi J, et al.
Reconstitution of Human RNA Interference In Budding Yeast.
Nucleic Acids Research. 2011 Apr 01; 39: e43.[more]
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Knocking Out Multigene Redundancies Via Cycles of Sexual Assortment and Fluorescence Selection
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The Olympics: World's Fairs of the 21st century?
LONDON It rose in England�s capital with the promise of showcasing humanity�s best: supreme accomplishments, fresh technologies, people from far-flung lands and their cultural traditions. It was both trumpeted as a global achievement and dismissed as overly commercialized �trumpery.�
It was not the Olympics.
Just a few miles up the road from the teeming venues of today�s Summer Games, Victorian London famously convened a gathering called �The Great Exhibition.� It was 1851�s version of a global event, and it was designed to tell mankind�s story � albeit from the vantage point of a potent colonial power.
It came to be called a �World�s Fair,� and it inaugurated an era of them. Paris and St. Louis, Rome and Vienna, Osaka and dozens more, each with epic storylines: �Festival of Empire.� ��Century of Progress.� And �The World of Tomorrow,� the 1939 World�s Fair in New York, where, for the first time, television entered the popular consciousness.
Once, World�s Fairs were the primary chroniclers of human progress. Not so much anymore. But to wander the grounds of the 2012 London Olympics this past fortnight is to see that in the 21st century, the value and relevance of such events still endures.
What World�s Fairs once were, the Olympics have become: a chance to get along on a global level while holding onto national pride. Humanity gathering for what it hopes are larger, nobler, more lucrative purposes. The Olympics are a place where the cutting edge is showcased. And in a civilization where so many are connected in such disconnected ways, they are that rare opportunity for an amplified, collective voice to say, or try to say: This, right now, is the story of who we are.
�It�s the shopfront to show what we can achieve,� says Pryderi Baskerville, a Welshman who helped produce the opening ceremony.
That message � both achievement and shopfront � is on display everywhere in Olympic Park, courtesy of the IOC and its corporate sponsors and partners. Nivea invites you to �say hello to the world.� At one Olympic Park entrance, a huge sign speaks of �a whole world brought together� � accompanied by some familiar brand logos. Many nations have set up guest houses around London � not unlike EPCOT Center pavilions � where visitors can go to party in the style of the nation that�s inviting them inside.
Officials, too, are saying the same thing. �The greatest show on Earth,� London organizing committee chief Sebastian Coe calls the Olympics. IOC President Jacques Rogge says they �set an example for us all.�
�The Olympic Games have a unique ability to touch people�s lives and to change the way they think about themselves and their futures,� Prime Minister David Cameron writes in the official Olympics program.
Jonathan Freedland, writing in The Guardian the day the Olympics began, spoke of the �hundreds of thousands, and hundreds of millions more via television, drawn by that perennial human compulsion to see what our species is capable of at its best: to see how strong, how fast, how beautiful we can be.�
Sure, some of that is simply organizational enthusiasm � or, just as likely, mere marketing. But is something more significant afoot? Beyond the layers upon layers of sponsor-friendly calibration, is there a message that we humans still need to tell each other, even in this conversation-saturated age?
�It has to do with human understanding, exchange, peace and so forth. Those global international gatherings are always about that,� says Paul Greenhalgh, author of �Fair World: A History of World�s Fairs and Expositions from London to Shanghai, 1851-2010.� Three of the earliest Olympics, he notes, took place at World�s Fairs.
Both World�s Fairs and Olympics, he says, have offered nationalism, politics and an �ethos of progress.� But while World�s Fairs have drifted off center stage in the past generation, the Olympics seem to gain both cultural currency and opportunities to showcase progress in the form of corporate presence.
Even with today�s Olympics, Greenhalgh says, �These are almost Victorian ideals � a growing moral sense that we owe it to ourselves to improve the whole of society, and the underlying notion of progress.�
Progress has often been showcased in technological ways � consider the �Futurama� exhibit in the 1939 New York fair � but a futurist from that era of streamlining would be overwhelmed by what the London Olympics have to offer.
There are contactless payment systems (from sponsor Visa), freshly minted mini tablet-phones with easy videochat functions (from sponsor Samsung) and even, in the cycling arena, innovative battery-operated hot pants to keep competitors� thighs warm. Environmentally friendly speedsuits fashioned from plastic water bottles. Bendable barbells for weightlifters. The list goes on. When it comes to fresh tech, this is precisely the �World of Tomorrow� that our forebears were dreaming of.
�Twenty years ago, we were in Barcelona looking at the first HD signals on a TV set,� says Ed Hula, the editor of Around the Rings, a publication that covers the Olympics.
�That�s where this sort of stuff had its proving ground is in the Olympic theater,� Hula says. �The Olympics provide that first step for new technology. It behooves the Samsungs and BMWs and others to make the most of this opportunity and have something to show people.�
They take full advantage on all platforms. Does Usain Bolt look great on the track? Then let�s put him in a larger-than-life Visa ad, striding forward into the future holding a credit card in his hand as mall-walking Olympic visitors surge beneath him. Particularly useful that the passers-by are people of many colors, chatting in languages from Mandarin to Arabic to Portuguese. Like the World�s Fairs, everyone plays a part in the show.
�You�ve got global theater going on,� says John J. Bodinger de Uriarte, an anthropologist at Susquehanna University in Selisgrove, Pa. He sees it as an effort to promote globalism � but a globalism that acknowledges, through resources expended and medals won, who the real powers are.
�One way to look at the Olympics is an affirmation of the world order. We�re competing equally � but wait a minute, we�re also not,� Bodinger says. But either way, �By having these heroic feats by people in many countries, you say, �Oh, well, this is possible.��
How the human story is told is one thing. But looking at the latest Olympics, what is the human story that�s being told, exactly?
It is one of amiable multiculturalism � in pursuit of athletic excellence, yes, but also in the service of creating that many more potential consumers of products. It is a story in which the notion of corporate benevolence plays a key role, in which the hopefulness of the �Olympic truce� winks at politics without letting it consume the entire event.
More than everything else, it is the can�t-we-all-just-get-along aesthetic of a post-Benetton society, superimposed upon the most elegant iteration of the global shopping mall.
World�s Fairs do still exist. There is an organization in Paris called the Bureau of International Expositions that promotes them, including a reasonably successful one in Shanghai in 2010 and one set for Milan in 2015. But they are not the attention-getting global events they once were. Meanwhile, the Olympics seem more popular than ever.
Why is that? Could it be that a society stitched together by airplanes and multipurpose data bytes no longer feels the need to gather explicitly to refresh its own story? Is that too top-down for the social-media era? Baskerville, the Welshman from the opening ceremony production team, thinks that�s what a modern Olympics now offers.
�We don�t get many times to show what we�re capable of,� he says. �We�re capable of horrible things as humans. And maybe this is something that unites us.�
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Either way, it's starting to look like this isn't a mirage -- something real and important has happened, and thus it would be worthwhile to understand what's going on.
Here are some thoughts on the potential focus of a new thread, or future discussions in this thread.
Topic 1. What is the true scope of this change?
At the narrow end of the spectrum, perhaps Google is targeting a very narrowly defined business plan or a very specific type of arbitrage site -- with little or no real content, using Adwords to obtain traffic and using Adsense to generate revenue.
At wide end of the specturm, this might be an early sign that Google is going to stamp out any business plan that adversely affects public perceptions of its Adwords and Adsense brands.
To enhance and protect its Adsense brand, Google could stop running Adsense on scraper sites, little-to-no-content sites, sites with mostly nonsense text, etc.
To enhance and protect its Adwords brand, Google block these types of sites from running Adwords campaigns, even if they generate their revenues using affiliate programs, display ads, YPN, etc.
Topic 2: What will be the indirect effect of this change on other publishers and advertisers -- those who are not being kicked out of Adsense?
Topic 3: How should webmasters adjust their strategies and business plans, in response to the change and in anticipation of the indirect effects of the change?
There's been some discussion and speculation about all 3 of these topics already, but a more in-depth, thoughtful analysis could be developed if we pool our collective knowledge and insights.
Of course, these 3 topics are related, since future effects and future strategies will depend on what's really going on -- the true scope of this change.
This was a soft ban. I & also others in my circle, have not had our accounts disabled after putting forth our case to the G team.
I fear that you are right. After some recent checking I am still finding mfa's. A couple are of the old type that Google missed (for whatever reason) and other mfa's I have seen have are patched up as their webmasters have simply dumped some crappy content in order to pass. Predictably others I have seen are using adwords to direct traffic to Yahoo ads or someting else.
If this is the way it's heading, we need to brace ourselves for a new generation of mutant mfa's. Enjoy the calm before the storm, as the mfa problem is obviously not going away anytime soon
other mfa's I have seen have are patched up as their webmasters have simply dumped some crappy content in order to pass
I'm afraid this might mean more scraped content. Did the crappy content you saw look like it was scraped?
If so, then this will probably make things a lot worse for honest content publishers.
1. Scraped content might pust MFAs higher in the serps
2. Scraped content might cause duplicate content issues where the real publisher takes it in the teeth.
3. Publishers of real content will now have to spend more time checking for content thieves... er scrapers.
4. If sites that should have been whacked manage to stay in, then we will still have the lower paying ads showing up.
I believe it was Hobbs who said we need the ability to filter by account. It looks like Google wont' have the situation in hand for a while. They need to give the publishers the ability to control the situation for their sites.
Would it work?
It is difficult to categorize all sites with traffic from adWords as MFA ( even if they have a few adSense ads on them). However a few more factors would have helped decide the case.
Did the crappy content you saw look like it was scraped?
[edited by: Scurramunga at 6:42 am (utc) on June 4, 2007]
page content = duplicate content
sitewide content = 90%+ duplicate content
adsense = at least paused for Human review
page meta tags = not about content on page
site meta tags = not about content on site
adsense = no workie on site and verbal warning
page content = meaningless English phrases
site wide content = scrambled English mumbo jumbo
adsense account = terminated
And if you think determining meaningless mumbo jumbo is impossible via a spider then think again, it would just use a lot more cpu utilization processing the actual words in the order they appear on the page to determine if participles, pronouns, nouns, adjectives etc. were appearing in an extremely unlikely or impossible order. C'mon if its mumbo jumbo press the big red button under the clear thumb flipping plastic cap labeled "Permanent Termination" That would at least throw away some of the worst MFA trash out there. Frankly MFA 2.0 sounds scary simply because if done right (or wrong) it could put legit webmasters at risk of being terminated because of the striking similarity to their slick haired black hat webmaster counterparts, or is it as someone else stated earlier MFA 2.0 if done well sounds more like fresh out of rehab neighbors (who have a high probability of relapse I might add)? I still think the answer is in the intent of the webmaster, which unfortunately isn't something a spider can see very easily. Anyone else think of some simple logic a spider could use to determine MFA 1.x or 2.x?
Human review the entire content network, even if it means hiring a 5000 strong non college grad but smart (high IQ) webmaster types arming them with a systematic way of flagging, warning, pruning, and watering the adsense tree. Sure there will be some legit webmasters sacked in the massacre but a second level human review of actual college grads (current adsense staff) could act as judges to give the final say. After the current network is thoroughly reviewed 4000 of them go home (as agreed in the beginning) and get great tech jobs in their home towns after working for such a large prestigious company such as Goog, and the best 1000 stay on board to maintain and screen new adsense applicant identities and determine the website quality and the website's PURPOSE (Didn't Double Click really seem to screen websites well?! How many of you applied and failed to get into Doubleclick?) Not even Overture under Y! management, the great human review directory specialists were able to pull a well maintained content network with with acquisition of Overture and their YPN ads uncanny ability to stay off topic. Don't cry that Adwords will raise the minimum bid to .05 or worse on the content network. G has already proved smarter than to go the path of Overture, in fact they've already done the opposite going from .05 cents minimum to .01 (good luck getting a lick of search traffic at those rates though) Even Walmart raises the quality of its merchandise over time and somehow gives you a better deal. The somehow is the volume, Walmart is always raising the volume of purchases and demanding a higher quality product. So the long term is bigger more stable content network coupled with a bigger Adwords advertiser base more trusting and willing to use the content network. I think up until recently G has merely reserved the right to human review the masses in the content network and rarely exercised it (by sheer tiny numbers of Goog employees) Between the choice of automated spider induced account closures and human review across the entire network. We all know the cheaper route is automated account blasting with human judgment used when webmasters appeal the spiders automated decision, is this starting to sound familiar to anyone as of late? There was no initial human review of these people being cut from their adsense accounts otherwise G wouldn't so easily overturn their decisions unless their huge base of adsense reviewers were totally off their rockers when they reviewed the June 1st batch of account closures. Move onto hiring lots of adsense reviewers soon before MFA deteriorates the interior of the entire Internet user experience. I leave you with more of what others have talked about for years. I'm all washed out on worrying about MFA (I'll watch my own sites, and you watch yours, and we will stock and keep our filters chuck full if needed, even if every month G suggests we remove sites from our filters) The answers have been so apparent for so long, I have no idea how people like EFV suffer to read these threads so far and so deep year after year and can still respond intelligently while attempting not to sound like a broken record (playing a rather good tune I might add). Get your ducks in a row or get MORE ducks in rows if you already have your ducks in a row) Diversify (sick of affiliate, try actual Internet retail, it can be very very handsomely rewarding, then you'll understand why advertisers so desperately need quality traffic, and you feel a lot better about the traffic you lose through adsense clicks that you'll wish would've bought something on your site instead), work hard and keep your websites free of click flipping garbage content that has "I took 30 seconds or less to write this page" written all over it, or face the inevitable garbage truck that will come someday to grab your website with it's hydraulic claw and throw it in its HTML crushing compactor never to be seen again.
I believe it was Hobbs who said we need the ability to filter by account. It looks like Google won't have the situation in hand for a while. They need to give the publishers the ability to control the situation for their sites.
Here's the proposal to put forward to Google:
Until your engineers have created and mastered an algo to flush the MFAs and arbiters down the toilet, let us filter by account.
Now give that to our Adsense Publishers Union President for negotiations with Google! :/
Seriously, has anyone in Google dared to answer the question why it won't let us filter by account? Personally I don't see it as either a programmer's nightmare or a hardware/resource challenge. Further, Google has already agreed with the idea in principle, because it bans accounts, not just sites.
And where did it come up with this artificial 200 limit number anyway? Is that really supposed to be for competitors only? That makes no sense unless you're a business using Adsense to support your commercial site (tacky 9 times out of 10), which wasn't the purpose of Adsense in the first place. And even if it was, how many Adsense users have 200 competitors online?
Why is it that AdWords users have unlimited bans but Adsense users don't? Either give us unlimited bans, too, or account cancellation instead of domains only.
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Why is it that AdWords users have unlimited bans but Adsense users don't?
Maybe because they're paying customers?
In any case, an account filter would be useful.
And I *don't believe* that it would be that hard to do. Promise. I'll come and do the coding for free if you promise not to make me responsible for the UI and workflow stuff! B^>
Wrong, after having suffered near heart attacks, (especially the guys who quit their day jobs) they were admitted back in. If Google did however have mercy on some real MFA webmasters that learned the power of prayer and sent a sincere heart felt email to the adsense team professing change, then I'm sure google isn't going to let these same offenders tread down there systems again (I pray) but alas MFA is not gone yet, so G continue adapting like the Borg type entity you are and you'll eventually get there.
"There" is defined by me as a wonderful utopia like google where publishers and advertisers are glad handing one another via account interaction such as advertisers requesting their ads placed on certain pages of websites, or account wide, and at the same time give publishers a lot more control over pricing per site, per page, per eCPM or per CPC etc etc blah blah blah, but of course give the layman that little checkbox that says "let google figure all that complicated pricing stuff for you" And for the love of the Internet let this tired, beat into the ground thread be ended already.
Not just me, everybody in every MFA thread did too.
>why it won't let us filter by account?
3 pages back I answered that:
the only possible reason I can come up with is that they are afraid that we can block a whole account which can include good sites that match our content when all we needed was just block one domain from that account
You see, the know more than you, and one account can contain both excellent sits as well as MFA.
I also proposed the solution of making block by domain the default, and block by account an optional tick box.
>where did it come up with this artificial 200 limit
They didn't, it used to be 100, and some strange day they listened and doubled it.
Why is it that AdWords users have unlimited bans but Adsense users don't?Maybe because they're paying customers?
Well, there are probably technical reasons as well: what is the advertiser-to-publisher ratio? 1:100? 1:1000? Since there are probably orders of magnitude fewer advertisers, G can afford to give them greater resources (disk space, CPU time, etc.) needed to handle the filtering.
However: that kind of imbalance of 'power' in the advertiser-publisher relationship is a wee bit arrogant and is a long-term threat to AdSense's market dominance. Unless one assumes that AdSense ads are for the publishers who just don't give a damn about quality. Is that the AdSense message to publishers? 'Sit down, shut up, hold on'?


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Elissa Levin, MD, Assistant Professor of Genetics and Genomic Sciences at The Mount Sinai Hospital, recently appeared on Canada AM to discuss how the group is trying to track down anyone with genetic mutations that keep them healthy. "We know there are lots of people that have rare genetic mutations, but for some reason have been protected from actually exhibiting the disease," said Dr. Levin. "We believe that if we can find these people, we can further study them to really understand what's protecting them."
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