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The Young-Girl as technique of the self
"What's 'pleasure'?"
Nothing in the Young-Girl's life, even in the remotest parts of her private life, escapes alienated reflexivity, codification, and the gaze of the Spectacle. This private life, littered with commodities, is completely given up to advertising, and completely socialized, but socialized as a private life, meaning that it is bit by bit subjected to an artificial ordinariness which doesn't allow its expression. For the Young-Girl, the most secret is also the most public.
The Young-Girl's body encumbers her; it is her world and it is her prison.
The Young-Girl's physiology is the offensive glacis of her poor substantiality.
The Young-Girl desires the Young-Girl. The Young-Girl is the Young-Girl's ideal.
"Tired of macho-men? Why not give a man-object a try?"
The rhetoric of the war of the sexes, and thus - for now - the rhetoric of the revenge of women, operates like the final ruse by which masculine logic conquers women without them noticing: by shutting them in, with a simple reversal of roles, to alternating between submission/domination, with the exclusion of everything else.
"What does the mortification of the body require? That we harbor a holy and implacable hatred towards our bodies." (Spiritual instructions for the sisters of Saint Vincent de Paul, 1884)
The Young-Girl tries to express her self-referential closure in upon herself and her systematic ignorance of her unfulfillment. That's why she's faultless, and in the same way why she lacks any perfection.
In the relatively recent prehistory when women's magazines were made only for women, a rumor went around for a while that they had a depressive effect on their readers. It was said here and there - and it was the least of the malicious gossip of that time - that there had been an "American scientific study" done that said that after a woman put down one of those magazines she was noticeably sadder than she had been upon opening it - at least she certainly produced less serotonin. And it's true; if you've ever seen a young girl engaged in such exercise, you'll have noticed that she's got a kind of concerned air about her, an anguished seriousness, and a kind of haste to turn the pages, as if she were rolling the rosary beads of some sinister religion or another. It appears that in the Empire's biopolitical religion, the act of contrition has survived just fine, and has only become more immanent now.
"It's my hair and I can do what I want with it!"
The Young-Girl methodically reinvests everything she's been freed from into pure servitude (ask yourself, for example, what the modern woman which is a rather terrible kind of Young-Girl, has done with the "freedom" that feminism's struggles have won for her.)
The Young-Girl is merely an attribute of her own programming, where everything must organize itself.
"When I was twelve years old I decided to be beautiful."
The tautological nature of the Young-Girl's beauty requires that no otherness concern her, only its ideal representation. Thus to a terrible extent she rejects her allegedly intended recipients, no matter how free they are to stupidly believe that she's addressing herself to them. The Young-Girl thus sets up such a space of her power that in the end there's no way of approaching her.
The Young-Girl has a sexuality at all to the exact extent that she is foreign to all sensuality.
Consequently, the biologization of the genitals in particular and of the body in general sets the body of the young girl up as an ideal laboratory for the medical gaze." (Jean-Claude Caron, Young Girls' bodies)
The Young-Girl's "youth" and "femininity," her youthitude and feminitude in fact, are how appearance control deepens into body discipline.
The Young-Girl's ass is enough to give her a basis to feel an incommunicable singularity.
The Young-Girl is such a psychologist... She's managed to make herself just as flat as the object of psychology.
The Young-Girl is she whose very being depends on the metaphysical fact of finiteness being reduced to a simple technical question: what's the most effective anti-wrinkle cream? The most touching characteristic of the Young-Girl is doubtless this maniacal effort to attain, in appearance, that definitive impermeability to time and space, to her surroundings and history, her effort to be impeccable everywhere and at all times.
The protestant ethic, which has fallen as the general principle behind the operation of society and as a behavioral norm upon the end of "the morality of labor," has at the same time been worked back in entirely on an individual level; this has taken place in an accelerated manner since the end of the second world war. Now it governs on a mass scale over the relationships that people have with their bodies, their passions, their lives - they economize on them.
Certainly, because eroticism presents itself to the Young-Girl with all the unquestionable positivity inevitably attaching itself to sexuality, and because transgression itself has become a calm, isolatable and quantified norm, coitus is not one of those things that allow any advancement outside of a certain exteriority in the relationships one has with the Young-Girl, but on the contrary it is one of those things that solidify you within that exteriority.
"I'm getting new boobs for my 18th birthday."
The Spectacle's "youth," with which it has gratified the Young-Girl, is a very bitter present, since that "youth" is something that is incessantly being lost.
What's alive doesn't need to ever-increasingly declare itself.
What's dying shows on its surface that it's coming to an end. And the Young-Girl's all-out gender affirmation is a clear demonstration of the fact that the classical gender roles are dying, meaning that their material basis is dying. The specter of Man and Woman haunts the metropolis' streets. Their muscles come from the Workout Club and their breasts are silicone.
There's a window between the Young-Girl and the world. Nothing touches the Young-Girl, and the Young-Girl touches nothing.
nothing about the Young-Girl's identity belongs to her in particular, her "youth" even less than her "femininity." it's not her that has attributes, but attributes that have her, and that is so generously lent to her.
The Young-Girl chases health as if it were a question of safety.
The feeling of the self as MEAT, as a bunch of organs variously decked with ovaries or flanked by nuts, is the basis from which begins the aspiration, then the failure of the Young-Girl to give herself a form, or at least to simulate having one. This feeling is not only a lived consequence of the aberrations of occidental metaphysics - which would like the formless to precede form, brought to it from outside - it is also what commodity domination must perpetuate at all costs; and which it produces constantly with the putting of all bodies into equivalence, by the denial of forms of life (lifestyles), by the continual exercise of an undifferentiating interference. The loss of contact with the self, the crushing of all intimacy with the self that gives rise to the feeling of yourself as MEAT, gives rise to the sine qua non condition for the renewed adoption of the techniques of the self that the Empire offers you for consumption. The penetration index of all of the cheap commodity crap out there can be read in how intensely you feel yourself to be MEAT.
The exhausting propriety of bodies
Blooms' feeling of contradiction between their existence as social beings and their existence as singular beings, which tears them apart, does not touch the Young-Girl, who has no more singular existence than she does any feelings in general.
"Me and my breasts, my belly-button, my butt, my legs: THE MAGAZINE OF MY BODY"
The Young-Girl is her own jailer, the prisoner of a body that has become a sign in a language made of bodies.
"Oh the cult, the obedience, the servitude of the young girl before the image of the school girl and the image of the modern girl! ... Oh the slavery to style pushed all the way to self-destruction, oh the docility of the young girl! (Gombrowicz, Ferdydurke)
"The deeply rooted instinct among women that urges them to use perfumes is the manifestation of a biological law. The primary duty of a woman is to be attractive... It hardly matters how intelligent or independent you are; if you can't influence the men that you meet, consciously or not, you won't meet your fundamental obligation as a woman..." (1920s perfume ad from the US)
The Young-Girl conceives of her own existence as a management problem she needs to resolve.
More than it designates a relationship with others, a social relationship, or a form of symbolic integration, the Young-Girl designates a relationship with the self, that is, to time.
Contrary to appearances, the Young-Girl doesn't care about herself. She's not an egoist, properly speaking, nor egocentric, and that's primarily because her "I" is actually someone else. What she devotes all her care to, with stubborn piety, is in fact a reality that is external to her: her "body."
The application of the capital-form to everything - capital health, capital sun, capital sympathy, etc. - and in a more singular manner to the body, means that mediation by the alienated social totality has entered into relationships previously ruled by immediacy.
In the Young-Girl, the tension between convention and nature is apparenly absorbed by the annihilation of the meaning of those terms, to such an extent that the one never appears to do any violence to the other.
The Young-Girl is like capitalism, servants, and protozoans: she knows how to adapt, and furthermore, she's proud of it.
Contrary to what happened in traditional societies, which recognized the existence of worthless things and exposed them as such, the Young-Girl denies their existence, and hides them.
The Young-Girl's appearance is the Young-Girl herself; there's nothing in between.
Like all slaves, the Young-Girl thinks herself to be much more watched than she really is.
The Young-Girl's absence from herself is not contradicted by any of the "care" she appears to give to herself.
The Young-Girl is never as plastic as she'd like to be.
The Young-Girl doesn't like wrinkles, wrinkles don't conform, wrinkles are the mark of having lived, life doesn't conform. The Young-Girl fears wrinkles as much as she does all true EXPRESSION.
As a self-consciousness, the Young-Girl has but a vague feeling of life.
For the Young-Girl bare life is still a function of habit.
The Young-Girl lives sequestered in her own "beauty."
The Young-Girl doesn't love, she loves herself loving.
"Zen, speed, organic: 3 lifestyle systems."
The Young-Girl doesn't go so far as to demand that the fleeting conventions that she subjects herself to have any meaning to them.
The Young-Girl understands all relationships on the basis of contracts, and more precisely on the basis of revocable contracts that can be taken back at any time depending on the interests of the contractees. Bargaining on the differential value of each on the seduction market where someone's got to reap the dividends in the end.
"ARE YOU OK WITH YOUR BODY? Are you keeping up your young form, with its graceful curves? Is the carpentry solid? The clothes silky? Are you doing alright?"
The Young-Girl daily produces herself as such, by her maniacal reproduction of the dominant ethos.
"How to gain ten years with a good lifestyle."
A cosmetics multinational recently lauched an ad-heavy campaign for an anti-wrinkle cream called Ethique [ethics]. What that meant at the same time is that there's nothing so ethical as painting shit all over yourself when you wake up in order to get in conformity with the categorical imperative of youthiness, and that there could be no other ethos than that of the Young-Girl.
"Beauty" is the mode of disclosure proper to the Young-Girl within the Spectacle. That's why she's also a generic product that carries within itself all the abstractions of what is found in the obligation to address oneself to a certain segment of the sexual market in which everything resembles everything else.
The Young-Girl is never satisfied with her submission to commodity metaphysics, with the docility of her whole being, and visibly of her whole body, under the Spectacle's norms. That's why she feels the need to show it off.
"They've wounded me in what is most dear to me: my image." (Silvio Berlusconi)
The Young-Girl always lives in a couple relationship: with her image.
The Young-Girl confirms the physiological reach of commodity semiocracy.
"How beautiful are you? No, beauty isn't a subjective measure. As opposed to charm, a rather vague notion, beauty is calculated in centimeters, divided into fractions, weighed, examined under the magnifying glass, evaluated in a thousand hidden details. So stop hiding away behind hippy-cool principles like "inner beauty, that's what counts," "I've got my own style," and dare to measure yourself with the greats!"
The Young-Girl's beauty is produced. She herself isn't afraid to say: "beauty doesn't fall from the sky," that is, it's the fruit of labor.
The Young-Girl's self-control and self-constraint are obtained by the introjection of two unquestionable "necessities," that of reputation and that of health.
"Today, to not suffer isn't a luxury anymore, it's a right."
Officially, the Young-Girl would have preferred to become some thing that feels rather than some Bloom that suffers.
The Young-Girl pursues plastic perfection in all its forms, notably her own.
From body building to anti wrinkle creams by way of liposuction, the Young-Girl always has the same dedication to making an abstraction of her body, and making her body an abstraction.
"All that can be done to reconcile yourself with your image."
Whatever extent her narcissism reaches to, the Young-Girl doesn't love herself, what she loves is "her" image, that is, something that's not just foreign and external, but which, in the full sense of the term, possesses her. And the Young-Girl lives beneath the tyranny of this ungrateful master.
The Young-Girl is above all a perspective on the passing of time, but a perspective incarnate.


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The Headache Was A Baby One
so... I still see crazy people. Yes, indeed, crazies are everywhere. But I know that the calmer I am; the calmer they are. This is the trick. Everyone's good at heart... so go from there :)
My headache, today, was just a baby. It was an emotional response to finding a hero :) I love everyone--but this person gets an extra thumbs up... I see a trickle-down by another person that has picked up the art! The numbers don't lie.
I'm not just using blog stats... I'm also using fb and twitter. Twitter gives it to you, straight... here is everyone following you.
Fb has more relationship encouragement because there is no length limit to responses. This is where your personality has no boundaries. I love the bravery!
Some people don't want to be associated with me because of the socialist aspect. Fine... but if you help out, you can still work the capitalist platform! You're just guaranteed money over on socialism... so you won't starve to death waiting for your big break :)
Well... a fan out there gets this aspect, too! And thank you! Again... everyone is amazing! It's just that there's a kindred spirit out there that has hit the magic fever!
It could, very likely, be one on my team :) Hope so! If not... show yourself in email.. screen shots and shit with times/places... don't attempt to photo shop, thanks!
You should get credit if you want it!
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Nip/Tuck Episode 16 - Gene Shelly
I was getting read to write this post at the end of last night's episode when all of a sudden I see that the next new episode is in two weeks! What gives??? We're two episodes in and we have to wait two weeks for the next episode. That is ridiculous!
This episode was full of surprises!!! Sean decides to sleep with his student, only to have her first shave him, and then try to diaper him! WOW! I didnt see that coming...
Julia returns and is looking pretty good this year. She was way too skinny last year. Julia catches Sean walking.... Matt is also pissed after he truly believed Sean was struggling in the wheel chair.
Christian is going through hard times in his battle against cancer and with Sean so preoccupied, he turns to Liz. After calling an escort and having her wig out on him, he calls Liz for some comfort. What do you know, Christian finally gets with Liz.... I cant say that was a surprise. What was a surprise was Liz's reaction. She's actually questioning her lesbianism. That is an interesting storyline going forward.
This episode involved patients as well even though I havent mentioned it yet. It was hilarious too! I'll save the write-up for those who have missed it. Let met just say that Sean puts his student to work with Christian and this time it isnt Christian who gets lucky....err....unlucky?! LOL... That has to be one of the funnier scenes we'll probably see this year.
Even Kimber returns this episode laying the groundwork for being as mean as can be! She was ruthless tonight! Enjoy it if you missed it tonight. We have two weeks to wait until the next episode. Share your comments and thoughts in the Nip/Tuck Season 6 chat room.


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Wooly Bear Caterpillar
I saw one today 9-19-2017 in DuBois, PA crawling across my driveway that was totally black no brown at all. Sounds like a bad winter. We will see as winter comes and goes.
Based on the measurements of the distinctive woolly bear caterpillar, you can figure out your weather forecast!University of Missouri
The woolly bear caterpillar—also called woolly worm and fuzzy worm—has the reputation of being able to forecast the coming winter weather. Whether fact or folklore, learn more about this legendary caterpillar and how to "read" the worm.
Here's the legend: The Woolly Bear caterpillar has 13 distinct segments of either rusty brown or black. The wider the rusty brown sections (or the more brown segments there are), the milder the coming winter will be. The more black there is, the more severe the winter.
The caterpillar Curran studied, the true woolly bear, is the larval form of Pyrrharctia isabella, the Isabella tiger moth. See another picture of a woolly bear!
Between 1948 and 1956, Dr. Curran's average brown-segment counts ranged from 5.3 to 5.6 out of the 13-segment total, meaning that the brown band took up more than a good third of the woolly bear's body. The corresponding winters were milder than average, and Dr. Curran concluded that the folklore has some merit and might be true.
But Curran was under no scientific illusion: He knew that his data samples were small. Although the experiments legitimized folklore to some, they were simply an excuse for having fun. Curran, his wife, and their group of friends escaped the city to see the foliage each fall, calling themselves The Original Society of the Friends of the Woolly Bear.
Thirty years after the last meeting of Curran's society, the woolly bear brown-segment counts and winter forecasts were resurrected by the nature museum at Bear Mountain State Park. The annual counts have continued, more or less tongue in cheek, since then.
For the past 10 years, Banner Elk, North Carolina, has held an annual "Woolly Worm Festival" each October, highlighted by a caterpillar race. Retired mayor Charles Von Canon inspects the champion woolly bear and announces his winter forecast. If the rusty band is wide, then it will be a mild winter. The more black there is, the more severe the winter.
Most scientists discount the folklore of woolly bear predictions as just that, folklore. Says Ferguson from his office in Washington, "I've never taken the notion very seriously. You'd have to look at an awful lot of caterpillars in one place over a great many years in order to say there's something to it."
Mike Peters, an entomologist at the University of Massachusetts, doesn't disagree, but he says there could, in fact, be a link between winter severity and the brown band of a woolly bear caterpillar. "There's evidence," he says, "that the number of brown hairs has to do with the age of the caterpillar—in other words, how late it got going in the spring. The [band] does say something about a heavy winter or an early spring. The only thing is … it's telling you about the previous year."
Every year, the wooly worms do indeed look different—and it depends on their region. So, if you come across a local woolly worm, observe the colors of the bands and what they foretell about your winter weather.
Then, again, you can always check the winter weather predictions in The Old Farmer's Almanac!
Find out which other animals can predict the weather and learn how to tell the temperature from cricket chirps!
I saw one today 9-19-2017 in DuBois, PA crawling across my driveway that was totally black no brown at all. Sounds like a bad winter. We will see as winter comes and goes.
Yesterday my cat found a new friend in the house crawling through the living room, an all WHITE Wooly bear! Saved him from the cats claws! Hope it isn't true what they say...
Found one crawling on my deck tonight in Albany, OR. Less than one third was brown.
Yesterday l rescued (from my cat) what looked like a wooly bear but it was solid black. Could be a different species? Or should I head south for the winter?
Yes, you may occasionally see the caterpillar of related species, like the Giant Leopard Moth, which are solid black in appearance! Fortunately, they don't signal a harsh winter ahead. (Though we would still recommend heading south.)
I saw an insect that looked like a wooly bear but it's hairs were long. It kind of looked like a flannel moth caterpillar but same color pattern. As wooly bear.
I mean a caterpillar, not insect
Hi Becca,
The Yellow Bear Moth caterpillar and Virgin Tiger Moth caterpillar can sometimes have color patterns similar to wooly bears. The difference between these look alikes is that the Yellow Bear and Virgin Tiger caterpillars have longer, non-bristly hairs than Wooly Bears, which have shorter, bristly hairs. It's possible the caterpillar you saw was one of these look alikes.
Found this huge black fuzzy with orange skin in Ocala Fl while tending my monarchs and milkweed today!
so what would a creamy white fuzzy wuzzy mean?????
The creamy white fuzzy caterpillar is likely a different species than the banded woollybear (or woolly worm), which can appear dressed in fuzzy black with an orange belt around the middle, or it can appear all black or all orange. The larva of the Isabella tiger moth, this caterpillar is the one normally associated with folklore about winter weather predictions. However, there are several caterpillar species that can be fuzzy and white or cream, sometimes with spots or tufts of a different color. As one example, the caterpillar of the Virginia Tiger Moth (Spilosoma virginica), called the Yellow Woollybear, can appear all white or all pale yellow or cream. It is in the same family as the banded woollybear, but a different genus. It can be found throughout most of North America. Unfortunately, I don't know of any "official" folklore that links white or cream fuzzy caterpillars to winter predictions, although some people suggest that their appearance might mean lots of snow to come.
I spotted a huge, beautiful black wooly bear this morning in a Tampa Bay!
Just found a solid black Wooly Worm on the back
porch in Hampstead North Carolina
It looked like a woolie bear to me! It had the long hairs and real slow movement but it was yellow in color on the body and the hair seemed white! Was it a baby woolie bear? Please comment if you know what this caterpillar is! Thank you! Jamie S, East Fishkill, NY
I walked out into the garage today and found a solid black woolly bear moving through the garage. I was surprised to see him inside, it's a first and this early in the year. We just relocated and was happy to see him of course. I guess it is time to ensure we have plenty of fire wood, blankets, groceries and prayers for winter.
I was at an amusement park in the water park barefoot and I stepped on one and it hurt badly make sure if you pick one up you do not prick yourself because it is like a moving cactus
3/12/17 find it odd to have my first woolly bear today. I live in northern wisconsin and he was in the lawn frozen. I felt sorry for him so I brought him in the house to see if he would thaw out, He did :). Within an hour he was moving around. I put some grass in the bucket for him, I hope he makes it till it warms up so I can put him back outside. Any suggestions on these?
Not sure how "frozen" it really was. Interesting fact, in northern latitudes, woolly bear accumulate glycerol to enhance their diapause freeze tolerance.
Saw a wooly bear crossing my lawn yesterday here in Oregon, equal stripes of black and orange. It seemed odd to see him this time of year. We have had an unusually cold, icy and snowy winter so far for the Multnomah Valley. Right now it is milder (a bit over 40 degrees) and raining - maybe that's what made him come out.
On my New Year's Day run I saw a wooly bear crossing the road that was all brown. There was no black to be seen. I thought it was strange but then, it's 60 degrees here in NYC today and all next week the temps are predicted to be in the 40s and 50s. Hmmm .....
Saw a solid black wooly bear in Pennsylvania
I just found this caterpillar crawling very slowly in my basement. He has equal segments of brown and black. My house is about 150 years old on a farm in Ontario, Canada. I don't know what to do with him, any ideas?
I just found one in my basement tonight. I'm wondering where he came from! I don't know what to do with him. Lol
In central Indiana in October and November I saw a lot of black ones crossing the road, but when I took a closer look they were orangish brown with black stripes at each end. I was told this meant a cold snap at the beginning of the winter (which we are having now) followed by a mild or normal winter with a cold snap at the end. I hope wooly worms are better meteorologists than groundhogs.
First weekend of November, I saw a total black woolly warm. My immediate thought, was...oh no! A severe Winter. I guess time will tell. Most forecasters are calling for a mile winter in Northeast North Carolina. I have never seen a black one before. My first. I was explaining about the woolly warm to several friends and they thought I was making this stuff up. So this is a great piece I will share with them. I guess we will stay tune and see what ole Jack Frost and Mr. Winter has in store with us.
Here in Maryland they are black.
I have encountered numerous totally black Wooly Bears this past Fall on my county road trips surrounded by bean and corn fields here in South Central Indiana. It will be interesting to see if it does affect our winter. Here it is the first week of November and it has been unseasonably warm up to this date. I guess look out for February and March this upcoming year.
I spotted several wooly bears while driving thru Kentucky last month. I noted they seemed totally black from where I sat in the passenger seat. Severe winter, we shall see.
Yes I've seen at least 8 wooly worms and they where all black ,so I guess we might have a severe winter just have to wait and see
We were hiking the Walkill River preserve, saw over 25 wooly bears, all with larger brown segments than black, also spotted an all light tan one, they were very active due to the warm day. Looking forward to the mild winter.
I have seen several crossing the road as I have been driving here in Blue Rock Ohio. Today I pulled over to take a Picture of the very large (biggest one that I have ever seen) All Black Woolly Bear. I have yet to see one with any brown . I have a few Local friends who have reported seeing all white Woolly Bears too.
Saw a woolly caterpillar (Mon-10-24-16). Black head with large middle of the brownish orange and the end black. Some say it will be a mild winter, while others say if it has a black head, winter will be bad. What is the myth? Hoping for a mild winter.
There's also a festival in Beattyville, KY. Although probably not as large as the one in NC. Seen a lot of all black worms this year- and we did have a cold, snowy winter last year.
While walking trails along the Blackstone River we saw a tiny Woolly Bear mostly Black but only about 1 inch long . So Cute Can you bring in House to watch it???? We live in Mass along the River.
What does the all tan one mean. i just seen one on the porch.
In SE Wisconsin I have been seeing Woolys that are mostly black with a small band of brown. I have seen a few that look solid black also.
Looks to be a mild winter here on the Texas Gulf Coast. Wooly worm had equal bands of black and brown.
I've seen more black woolly worms then the brown
I live in Huntington, WV. I've seen only two woolly warms on my back porch and both were completely black...could it be the same one twice over a couple of weeks time...sure but don't think so. From my understanding, this means a colder, snowier winter.
I spoke with a customer the other day at work and she saw a completely white woolly warm...I asked her what that means seeing how I've never heard of that and she said research it. I did and I discovered it "means" blizzard like conditions!
I say to you all, I hope so!!!!
Happy Winter to ya'll as we say in WV!
just saw 3 woolly's in the garden all three mostly brown. but yet forcast for us in COLD and Lots of snow guess we'll see you is going to be right
Lansdale, PA, very large, all black woolly spotted in my garden yesterday...so what are we in for winter weather-wise?
I live in Northwestern PA and have only seen all black Woolies so far. I guess we can't complain, as last winter was wonderful, not much snow!
I just saw a THICK white one on my back door two days ago. I'm in southern NC so, I'm used to black, brown, and black/brown but, never white! We don't really get much actual snow (we get ice) in my part of the state so, I guess I'd better hold on to my hat!
I just seen an all white one this month, and it showed a brown streak on it's back , which indicated a mild winter with a streak of harsh winter, which is exactly what we had in 2015 / 2016 winter. Hopefully that will be the same for 2016 / 2017 winter.
today, september 27th 2016, i spotted a totally black wooly bear......... cold winter????
I keep seeing people post about white "woolly bears". There is no such thing. There are a couple of different species of moth caterpillars that are white and fluffy or fuzzy, but they are not true Woolly Bears(Isabella Tiger Moth). If you check online photos, you can see what the white fuzzy caterpillars are. I see the lovely fuzzy white ones around this time of year as well. They have much longer hair, are smaller and thinner.
I live in Central Virginia. Every fall, thousands of wooly bears cross a certain stretch of my road. One fall day, I saw a sea of only white ones! I had never seen white ones before, and I haven't seen them since. That winter was nationally known as "Snow-Mageddon!"
It was a pretty even black, then brown, then black. We also saw an all black fuzzy caterpillar but we think it was a giant leopard moth caterpillar. So I guess we'll have an average winter? Too bad, I was hoping for a mild one lol.
you mention the brown and black band,but we've seen all white wooly bears,what does that mean?we live in upstate ny.
Enjoy the fuzzy wuzzies! To our knowledge, there is no white form of the banded woollybear (woolly worm), which is the orange and black caterpillar that folklore normally associates with winter weather predictions. However, there are several caterpillar species that can be fuzzy and white or cream, sometimes with spots or tufts of a different color. As one example, the caterpillar of the Virginia Tiger Moth (Spilosoma virginica), called the Yellow Woollybear, can appear all white or all pale yellow or cream. It is in the same family as the banded woollybear, but a different genus. It can be found throughout most of North America.
I use these fun creatures every year and have never seen an all white before today. I live in Southern Indiana near Bloomfield. Bring on the snow!!
I live outside Albany, NY and have seen a woolly worm that was totally black, no orange. Not that I'm hoping for a ton of snow, but in our area we're in a rainfall deficit.
Our family has ALWAYS predicted the upcoming winter forecast by the woolly worm and also by cutting the seed of a persimmon in half. This is the first year we have ever saw a white woolly worm! Our daughters are now 20 & 23 and STILL love this family tradition. It's too early for our persimmon forecast. Anxious to see what that prediction looks like!
Watch out for the white one they are poisonous
I had one crawl up my leg and it must of stung me
Cause I was up all night itching nothing the doctors could anything but let it run its course
I've got a Woolly Bear in my back yard very short segments of black on either end and a long band of brown in the middle. Hopefully another mild winter in Boston if you believe. 9/13/16
We live i
n Indiana, central, we see all colors here black, white, brown, and striped soooo what does it mean????
saw a wooly bear with no black at all, only brown, what prediction would be made from this observation?
If it was truly a woolly bear caterpillar, larva of the Isabella tiger moth, then all-brown would mean a mild winter according to folklore. A nice prediction for the heating bill!
The other day while taking my dog out to his outdoor surrounding, I saw a very black woolly bear on the ground. I live in SW PA.
I live in Lancaster and just pulled about 30 off my tea. Some all black some all Brown/Orange some all white and some of various combinations of those.
September ,2016 , every wooly worm I have seen in Ohio has been all white. Does this mean we're in for a snowy winter??
I have seen all white as well and I live in SW Virginia. I sure hope it don't mean all snow!
My 14yo GrandDaughter had just drove in driveway and she spotted Many (6+) Wild Turkey and shortly iS
Iced the white wooly at base of a tree!:) Sophia said it must mean a very white winter!:)?? Am also anxious for Replies also as Tammy!:)) Come on y'all!! I know someone out there has some awesome Tales!:) Blessings to ALL!!! (And yes we live in KY .. Outside BeaverDam, Ohio County!:)
Same here Sothern Ohio I have seen 2 so far, both as white as can be.
So what's the prediction for this year
In Delaware I Have seen several wooly bear caterpillars, all of which have been totally blond this month. Hopefully we will have a mild winter!
I would love to use this for data analysis in my AP Biology class. Does anyone know where I can find data supporting or refuting this hypothesis about the weather/woolly bear relationship?
Saw the first black woolly inside a massive vine growing on a railing on the deck on August 31, 2016. I live in Elizabeth City, N.C.
Just saw a black wooly bear in my garage a while ago. 08/28/2016. Plan to keep for the grandkids to see.
first ones i saw today 8/25/16 saw 3 and all of them were gray or silver what does this mean, i live in middle of kansas
Just saw a completely black one on the side of my house here in south western West Virginia. I seriously hope this doesn't mean we are in for a bad winter.
I saw a completely black one today also, Cindy! I am in SW PA near Pittsburgh. I came to this page curious to find what it meant. According to this article, it would indicate a MILD winter--which seems to be completely opposite what other prognosticators are predicting!
It depends where you live. The Old Farmer's Almanac (unlike many folks) is also predicting a fairly mild winter in some regions. See our long-range weather maps and forecasts for winter 2016–2017 here: http://www.almanac.com/content/long-range-forecast-2017
the first for 2016 was seen today and observed to be all orange (amber). My insights call for an extremely variable late fall, winter, early spring with some horrific turbulence. A very early snowfall is forecasted with abnormally strong and stormy weather extremes, both hot and cold, wet and dry.
Just saw a solid tan one in east Tennessee.
Just found and all yellow one is western PA. First time I've seen one
I remember playing with one with my grandpa when I was but a wee lad . When you first pick one up it goes into a circle and you can scootch it around in your palm - it tickles! then it uncurls and roams around heading for the highest point on your hand. I never hurt one, just played with it for a bit then put it back where I found it. Wooly Bears Are Neat Critters!!
A solid black woolly worm wow our nation is out of control...
I found a solid black one a couple of days ago in Middle Tennessee.
I wasn't familiar with them, so put it in a container with plenty of clover and other greens, and when I checked today, it has built a web and the pupae is inside. Guess I'll be seeing it transform before long.
Here in Louisville, Kentucky; I found a solid black wooly worm, never seen one all black before either. Sadly it was dead.
I just saw a solid black wooly bear on my patio in DFW Texas. First I've seen; he is very active, travels fast!
We found a Wooly Bear under a frozen glove on the side of our house. We brung it inside and warmed it up. It is up and moving now, and we plan to keep it until after the winter storm. We are most likely going to walmart to get some Violets for it to eat .. is that the right thing to do?
Oh, bless! It's too bad the wooly worm picked the frozen glove. During the winter months, wooly bear caterpillars do not need to eat. Instead, they hibernate, or sleep, in a safe spot all winter long. When spring returns, wooly bear caterpillars wake up. You might want to put him in a safe spot! It's hard to say if he'll survive, but it's very kind of you to try.
Once they wake up in the spring, they enjoy clover But they'll known to eat herbs, grass, dandelions, and sunflowers.
All black here.
Perhaps my phone isn't displaying pages correctly because all I can see is the information leading up to and including the facts and lore. I can't see any information that tells you how the colors predict the weather or what the colors mean. Maybe it's just my phone though.
Ohio- found an all black woolly bear! what does this mean! winter is approaching
In the book of Job in the bible there is a verse were he says animals can teach us things Job 12 : 7 Niv bible .
I just saw an all-black woolly worm this evening. It was the first one I had ever seen. It was about 2-1/2 inches to 3 inches long and 1/2 inch to 1 inch wide. It was interesting to see but it gave me the creeps. I don't know where it went-- somewhere in the yard, I hope. I saw it go down the side of the porch but it backed up and was on the top of the porch again. However, I missed seeing it disappear!
Black at both ends, brown in the middle. Rode in this evening when we brought in wood for our stove. Northern Shenandoah Valley, Virginia.
I've heard we will have the worst winter we've ever seen in our lifetimes this year, and the woolly worms I've seen so far agree....solid black on the Cumberland Plateau in TN. Everyone around here has been preparing for it this year, good luck everyone :)
I posted a picture of a woolly bear on my fb page I found while raking my backyard on Nov 9th..I put him on a Maple leaf ..He was totally BLACK ..I found my second woolly bear when I was doing my front leaves on Nov 14th lol ..Totally BLACK..The last time I found a totally black one was when we lived in north jersey..Lakewood NJ to be exact.The year was in the late 1990's we had 2 days of 20 inches of snow in one week.Now some Meteorologist say this is not true about the these caterpillars and their predictions to forecast the weather so who knows.All I do know is that I live in Folsom boro NJ and I wonder what the weather will be this winter..I have lived in South Jersey since 2006 and have never found a totally black one until now..Oh I have found them ever year since I have moved here but not totally BLACK..
Marguerite Geer's photo.
Not one mention of what was discovered-WHAT F()*&&% waist of my time!!!!!!! If you going to write a head line, (Title) then you need to write a FULL explanation within you Article! Don't tell me that the bands had been studies; and then not tell me what the study proved. What are the values, of color, and width????????????????????????????????????
I live in southern southeast AK, South end of Prince of Wales island,we have had yellow and black ones
All black here
We have seen 3 all black wooly bear caterpillars in our southwestern PA yard in the last week.
We have started seeing them here in Arkansas about a month ago.
Two black ones no brown on them at all in southern Ohio !
I saw a black woolly bear what does it mean for winter here in pa
Seen two solid black wooly worms in Eastern ky
I have seen several in our back yard and one in the front just yesterday and each one was a solid black. Northwest Indiana!
With all the dumb things That the government pay for students to research this is a good one to do.
Saw my first wooly bear for this year today in Mansfield,Ohio. It had a long red/orange band in the middle and the front and end was black. Hope it is a mild winter,not looking forward to driving to the doctors or grocery bath is winter with all this new road work going on around town. I also saw another one under a pine bush curled up like it was dead,didn't try to make it stretch out like its friend was more than happy to do on my hand but it also had a long red/orange band with short black ends.
Recently, my husband saw a solid white one. What does that mean?
I believe the white woolly worm is a different type! They need to be the type pictured above.
I've believe this to be true. I've been watching these guys for 50 years and have never known them to fail.
I found a 100% WHITE wooly bear in Ohio. No kidding and I took pictures if you are interested.
I wondered if it meant an easy winter OR a frigid and long winter.
Time does tell all.
Scott Wing
September 25, 2015
09-25-15 I have seen 5 white wooly bears in the last 2 weeks. I live in Almond, NY ( southern tier near the PA border) What does the white mean?
Folklore says that a white woolly worm is a sign of a snowy winter.
To our knowledge, there is no white form of the banded woollybear (woolly worm), which is the orange and black caterpillar that folklore normally associates with winter weather predictions. However, there are several caterpillar species that can be fuzzy and white or cream, sometimes with spots or tufts of a different color. As one example, the caterpillar of the Virginia Tiger Moth (Spilosoma virginica), called the Yellow Woollybear, can appear all white or all pale yellow or cream. It is in the same family as the banded woollybear, but a different genus. It can be found throughout most of North America.
I found my first 2 WW's this weekend! I am up high in the mountains in southern New Mexico.
Unfortunately, for the third year in a row the WW's are extremely fat and sassy but no orange color!! ;{ Which means no snow................. AGAIN
Near Illinois / Wisconsin border, I found my first wooly worm with an extremely narrow black band near the head and the rest was rusty brown. Seems to match mild winter predicted for the Great Lakes region this year. Hoping for another relatively mild winter like last year when the wooly worms were mostly brown.
I found a blonde wooly worm on my door, never seen one before
I found a white one today, I live in Virginia and I've never seen a white one before.
I've been tracking the woolly bear caterpillars for over 23 years. In all those years, the prediction was wrong twice. One of those errors being last years prediction.. I do believe in woolly bears, I do believe.
I live in southwestern Pennsylvania I just seen a all red or light in color woolly bear but it looked young so don't know if it will get black on the ends before the summer is over, does anyone know?
Found a white wooley in ohio today
What did yours look like? Just seen our first one today! Ours was COMPLETELY orange. In past several yrs it's been thick black bands w little orange, remember last winter how bad it was here, WW said awful winter. We are eastern central Ohio.
Found a woolly bear caterpillar on brick of house tody
It was all a rust color with no black at all.
Ontario Canada, Very mild winter coming if coloring & Almanac is correct.
Ah now I see what these things are .
They're crawling all over the place here at the horse ranch .
Recently moved out to the corn fields from a major city and never seen so much wildlife all at once , all right in front of ya .
This past fall was the wooly invasion .
Didn't know exactly what they were so I basically left them alone .
I do know there will be plenty of them moths this coming spring and summer .
That is alright , the reason why I moved out here is to get away from the corruption , greed , drugs and crime and that is just in the police department .
I found one on my old christmas tree I was like "yayay" and then I got it and put it in a box so yaaaaa......... anyways it was black and in the middle it was redish orangeish brownish all mixed together can anyone tell me what kind of caterpillar it is and if its poisonious
Seen an all black wooly bear caterpillar 3 inches long an really bushy seen another by my house again another black one this is in Allentown, PA.
when did you find a all black wooly bear
I just found a black and brown wooly bear catapillar We are having that strong winter storm on v day here in southern maryland. Should i bring this guy insince we r havingbelow zero. tonight and the next week. Wont he freeze? What do i do?????
We are in St. Louis, MO & just found one in the house that is about 1/3 brown in the middle. We'll probably have a harsh winter but not as bad as the worst. Hope everyone has a safe season!!
We found one north of Toronto, Ontario with a tiny patch of brown! Looks like it's going to be a cold winter!
I found an all black one crawling on my pillow about to crawl on my arm ewww
Well folks...just found one in Orlando, FL. Almost all black. Not looking forward to a cold winter!!
Found one in New Jersey, also almost all black! Bundle up!!
funny...I've noticed them over the years and never paid attention to their colors. Just assumed they had different markings. This year in North Jersey I noticed they seem to be all black...usually they have some orange at either end. Well...we got away with a warm winter in 2015 guess we are due! lol
Here in Beebeetown, IA (by Missouri Valley) the single brown stripe takes up over half of all our Wooly's bodies. I hope they don't freeze because it is 11degrees out now at 8am Nov. 12, 2014. Expected high for today is low 20's.
found a wooly bear caterpillar at the wyndotte county lake and i have to admit theyre pretty but i have read some articles and i think they can sting you ande cause a painful burn, so be careful with them.
I am in the Baltimore suburbs and have a solid black woolly that decided to hang out in our garage for the last 4 days. Today, It finally moved about 8 feet along the wall, right towards our door-to come inside!
Just found an all black wooly bear about 1.5 inches in suburbs of Pittsburgh PA!
Just saw the largest wooley bear Ive ever seen moving across my driveway around 3" long and completely black, first time Ive ever seen that. Central NJ. Seems fitting since this is about the coldest November I can remember.
Are all these fully black woollies? Or another species like the one with light red "stripes" on the body below the black hairs. I've never seen an all black but will keep on alert. Woollies are one of my most favorite childhood memories as I raised them often. When I see them they make my day!
I have not seen as many woolly worns as usual..we live in a rual area in Tennessee...however the three that I have seen have been ALL BLACK. Not looking forward to the winter. Good luck to all.
Oh no we're screwed this winter - I too saw an all black Woolly worm this past weekend in SE Pennsylvania. In fact that's how I ended up on this site.
Last fall I found a couple with narrow orange and we had a pretty significant winter. We're in for a treat this winter!
I found an all black one today in N.E Indiana.
Found a very large all black one in Nashville TN. Absolutely no reddish brown coloring. Heating bill will to be just delightful this year
Found a fat, all black one in the basement. About 2 inches long and 3/4 inch wide. Never seen one so big.
I was in Arden Delaware yesterday and found the most interesting thing. I found a TALKING, dark-black, Wooly Bear! He told me, "Tom, he says, last winter was mild compared to this coming winter, because, you see Global-Warming is being 'caused' by you humans and because of this fact the winters MUST be getting colder; due, of course, by the increasing CO2; from all the cows passing gas and too many fireplaces in Nevada and If people can't get their facts straight on this fact we 'Wooly-caterpillars,'should put you ALL in jail! He did not even take a breath!
He didn't "Gore" you when you picked him up, I hope...
All the woolly bears I've seen in central Ahia this year
have been solid black. Eight cords of firewood split,
a full fuel oil tank, three 4x4s ( one with a plow),
a 4x4 atv with plow and I'm retired. Now, if I don't
answer the phone.....
I was driving home yesterday from Quincy Illinois to Columbia Missouri, and I seen hundred's of these caterpillars on the highway.
Here in St. Louis i found a totaly black wooly catapillar. Currious, I read the article now the wide brown stripes mean warm winter? Oh well time to get out the long johns, stoke up the fire and find a girlfriend. We were due for the 20 year storms last year I hope for them to taper for a while.
I saw an all black wooly bear in Winston-Salem, NC today. My friend said that means it will be a cold, snowy winter.
i also found a all black wooly on my porch Lancaster area pa oct 23 2014
All black one found in my driveway just now.... Selbyville Delaware..you have been put on alert!
I found an almost all black one in Charlotte, NC today.
Saw my first Woolly Bear of the season this morning. All black here in Houston. Around here a good cold winter would be welcomed.
After looking through these comments, I have to ask: did anyone even bother to read the article?
I believe you are correct. Nobody has read this article at all.
I did read the article, but I prefer the original interpretation. Last winter was bitterly cold and killed my rose bush!
I, too, lost 2 of 3 rose bushes. I'll pile leaves around the base of the survivor (who ain't lookin' so hot...)
I read the article. A great read. The most important thing to remember is that wooly bear worms predict weather a year in advance.So,what did that butterfly in 2014 look like in late Summer of 2013?
Here in Elkhart, IN I have seen three Woolly Bears so far this year. Two have been all blond and one has been all black. According to my family folklore, this means a very snowy and cold winter. Actually, LAST year was a very snowy, cold winter. In fact one of the worst since 1978. These Woolly Bears are very big, very fat and very fuzzy. If it is going to be a mild winter, they are highly overdressed.
Hoosier wooly worms always overdress.But they're pretty in the Spring!
I have seen about 100 plus white wooly worms 2 days ago in a place were u might see one
Albino? Came across an all White WOOLLY last week. Any ideas? Maybe the heavy snow forecast is correct? Haven't seen any with black this fall. Mostly light Brown. NE Ohio.
Beware of the 'all-white woolly'! He's not a woolly worm; instead, he's a poisonous caterpillar that will sting you big time! The 'woolly worm' has a black head and tail, and may have a burnt-orange body with some black covering. All-black covering means he needs to absorb enough heat to survive a cold winter.
I saw a wooly bear today (just one, mind you) and it had NO black on it at all - it was all the reddish brown from head to tail. Maybe it wasn't a wooly bear, but it sure looked like one. And the almanac is predicting a cold winter for us up here in upstate NY. So I don't think this wooly bear knows what's coming! ;-)
what happens when you find one and its pure light brown/ blonde with absolutely no dark colors on it?
I found one of these 3 years ago and we had the mildest Winter in years. Auburn Hills, Mich. just north of Detroit.
This year so far mostly black on the head end and longer than the rear like this BBBBBBBLKBBBRNBBBBLK
However my S-I-L found one solid Black Not looking forward to a Winter repeat of last year!!
Here in southwestern PA today I found a Woolley worm that has very little black on its head and tail so is mostly the brownish orange color.
Yes i think so because my dad said "When my grandma said that when the Woolly Bears were black that means that we're gonna have a very bad winter and guess what? Pretty much she was right" and all i see was a solid black Woolly Bear so i think we're gonna have a bad snowsquall.
I saw my first 2 woolly bear caterpillars of the season yesterday. They seem to be equally brown and black...hm-m-m-m-m!
I've seen about three dozen or so in Northern WI and they are solid black end to end. Big fat caterpillars = lots of wood to cut.
I live in Shawnee Kansas and found my first woolly bear caterpillar of 2014. Much to my surprise it was completely black, does anyone know how to read a woolly bear caterpillar's colors, and if so could you please tell me what it means.
According to folklore, the more black on the woolly worm caterpillar, the more harsh the coming winter. Some people read the caterpillar, which has 13 sets of bristles along the body, as corresponding to 13 weeks of winter. Each set of bristles corresponds to a week of winter. But either way you read it, the all-black means a harsh winter--that is, unless you've found a caterpillar that is pulling your leg!
As the article states above, though, scientists have found that the color is affected by several factors, including the age of the caterpillar and the environmental conditions of the past winter.
I to seen my first all Black Woolly Bear located in Doylestown,Ohio. In the past I have always seen Woolly Bears with brown stripes. From what I have been reading it looks like Shawnee Kansas and Northern Ohio might have a bad wimter. Hurray I love winter.
Saw my first tonight in Kansas City, KS and its entirely black. I guess from what I'm reading, folklore says it's gonna be a HARSH winter.
I saw one black front brown center black rear
I'm in Belton MO, and seen 2 today that are mostly brown with a little black at each end.
Just found my first woolly bear of the season yesterday here in NE Ohio & it is mostly copper/orange with a little black on both ends which could mean a milder winter this season. I won't complain especially after last year's brutal weather!!
I saw a completely black one while out and about this weekend. I'm in the Saint Louis area.
i just saw my first wooly bear of the season and it too was all black. i love winter so im hoping this is at least a little true :D
oh and im from alabama
in north carolina mountains... i found a tiny baby wooley in JULY...it was all black!!
I found 2 wooly bears this summer they were tiny. I made them a home and fed them iceburg lettuce. They
y have grown to an inch or more. Will put them in the garage over winter. Can't wait to see the moth come spring.
I saw my first woolly bear in years munching away on a blackberry leaf, and it was all orange. If it predicted last winter as one suggested, it is close. we had a mild winter and unusually dry and hot summer here in the pacific northwest.
I am in SW Washington State. I have seen hundreds of these Woolly Bears over the past month. They were uniformly black and brown.
Hey these caterpillars need to freeze solid over winter as cruel as it sounds. Otherwise they will moth early and not make it.
I found a wooly bear that was all orange except for its black head, all the ones where i live are orange in the middle and black on each end. what does this mean?
Isabella caterpillars have bands of varying widths -- all in the same locality and same year. Go figure!!
Black woolybears have black hairs covering the body. Fun to handle. Their hairs are really stiff.
Saltmarsh caterpillars have MANY color phases. Yes, some are white, others yellowish, some even dark. Sometimes this species is considered to be a crop pest -- defoliator. Google this species, and enjoy its variability. Their hairs are long and soft.
I see the brown and black ones all the time and i enjoy having them around. I always help them by pickin them up so no one runs them over when they cross the road. There such wonderful creatures its a shame when people kill them. I hope they are harmless cause ive touched them all my life and ive never been harmed.
Just saw my first Wooly Worm of the season...we live near Louisville...he's ALL brown!!! What kind of winter are we in for?
during July of 2014, I have found 3 of these creatures. I have NEVER seen one in this area before September. Their bands looked normal, but I think we are in for an early winter, at least in Kansas.
wooly bears cannot predict winter. their coloring and thickness of hair may be because of different species, or even just because of different regions from which they are found.
July 5, 2014. I am very aware of the Wooly Worm. For years I have see all black, all brown or black & brown.
While picking beans, I lifted a vine and on the main stalk was a WHITE Wooly Worm. What I saw, I saw. It was a Wooly Worm, only WHITE. I left it alone to feast on anything it likes.
I just found an all white one in my yard this evening. This is the third one I've seen in this area - Dublin, Ohio area. The other two were at an area park. I've never seen a completely white one before, so I'm curious what this means.
the all white ones are a different species than the orange and black ones.
I also saw an all white (or blonde) one also in Grandview Heights, Ohio. It was climbing on a wooden fence near my neighbor's vegetable garden. I tried to find a photo of it online, but none matched it. It was about 4-5 inches long and looked like an off-white/tanish wooly worm caterpillar. If I see it again I will take a photo and send it to OSU entomology dept for identification.
The fuzzy white with the black stripe are not woolly worms! Do not touch them either, they will give a bad stinging and itching rash, worse than a bee sting. Spotted one today in Banner Elk, NC.
To Samsambog, I heartily agree with you! I am from Burnsville, NC, and these white worms are not woolly worms, and really WILL sting you! The Woolly Worm has a black head and tail because these ends must absorb heat for the worm to survive. These ends must NOT freeze solid. The more black covering, the more the worm absorbs heat, so an all-black worm will absorb more heat over winter.
Saw an all yellow one last
September , north fork Long Island . Just saw my second Woolley mostly brown in color.
I also found a white wooly worm this season. I have never seen one before!
What is an all white wooly worm??? I am in central Illinois and just found a large amount resting on my shrubs. Never seen white ones before. Is there a way I could also attach a picture or do you know what it is without further identification needed.
There are several varieties of caterpillars that look like the woolly worm but are whitish. For example, the Virginian tiger moth caterpillar (Spilosoma virginica) is called the yellow woolly bear, which can range from white or pale yellow to reddish or brownish yellow.
Or, there is something called The Laugher, with a black head (Charadra deridens)
The American dagger moth (Acronicta americana) also has a fuzzy white caterpillar, with black tufts and a black head.
The sycamore tussock moth (Halysidota harrisii) has orange and white tufts on cream to white fuzzy body, and an orange head.
The Hickory tussock moth (Lophocampa caryae) has black tufts and a black area along its back:
Hope this helps! Happy sleuthing!
You might want to add this information about other fuzzy caterpillars to the article since it's clear most people commenting haven't seen it. Also, there are all black fuzzy caterpillars such as Hypercompe scribonia which are out and about at the same time as Pyrrharctia isabella.
I just found one of these in my garden find it strange as I live in the uk is it normal for them to be here
what happens when you cant get the spikes out are they poisonous,harmful will i get finger cut off!!!!?!? please dont tell how much you love these worms or when they evolve. email me email@example.com asap thank you soo much please inform me!
yeah danny their venomous and these wanna cute worms should be instinct. Benadryl, Cortesone cream and adhesive tape should be applied. So yeah all these people waste insignificance words about these abomination creatures.
Wow how ignorant and your total inability to spell further proves it. It's a harmless little creature if anything an interesting way to educate children on one of the many miracles of nature. Educate yourself while you're at it clearly you are in desperate need.
The list of signs and symptoms mentioned in various sources for Common Woolly Bear moth caterpillar poisoning includes the 12 symptoms listed below:
Pain at site of sting
Itchy skin
Urticaria Skin rash
Localized skin redness
Eye inflammation - eye exposure
Light sensitivity - eye exposure Hypersensitivity reaction
Bronchitis - inhalation exposure Bronchospasm - inhalation exposure Wheezing - inhalation exposure Conjunctivitis - eye exposure
Hi. Just found two of these guys on the side of the garage. After the freezing weather we had in Ohio this week I cant believe anything is still alive out there. Does anyone know what they eat?
Just get a cricket container at the pet store and put some organic lettuce, apple peels and other greens and a little cotton ball with water and let him spend the winter indoors.
Online is more advice on how to create a home for him until he turns into a beautiful moth in the spring. Then release him back into his environment!
They are vegetarians, so leafy greens are good, plus they like grapes and apples.
I just found one of these on a snowbank in my yard! It's alive so what do I do with it? Put him back outside? It's 30 degrees here in ME!
No! Don't put him outside. I found 3 in my garage and made a home for them in a huge bowl with dirt and sticks. One if them just went into the cocoon thingy. Very cool.
I did the same, I put him in a bowl and put leaves and plant sticks, etc in with him. We'll see in the spring how he made the winter....
Thank you for this post, I just found one outside next to the snow bank and wondered what I should do with him/her....:)
I found a Wolly Bear catipillar but I don't know how I predicts the weather. My sisters teacher said it predicts the weather. Can somebody please tell me how it predicts the weather?
Really? Did you actually READ the article? No wonder common-core is kicking your butt!!
Legend has it that the more brown they have versus black, means that you are suppose to have a milder winter.I don't think it's very true ,because I have one in a plant in the house and his brown takes up half if his body and winter hasn't been the mildest.
You need to get at least two of them in a container and borrow a stethoscope from a doctor and listen to them talk. Most speak Spanish because they come from Mexico. The ones found in the USA are bilingual though.
No, the number of rings on their back let you know how bad the winter WAS. They are broken down into 13 segments so the more "red segments" the harsher the winter WAS.
they cant. its just a rumor.
Northern VA here and just saw a woolly bear yesterday that was mostly orange. Very little black ends. Although I love snow, I do hope the little caterpillar folklore is true. Just not in the mood this season for a lot of shoveling. Although it makes more sense that this would be a sign for the previous Winter. We did have a fairly mild one last year.
I live in Cedar Hill, Texas, and we saw about five all black wolly bears crawling around by the flower garden. Snow would be wonderful, just no ice please.
Over the weekend I was in McKinney State Park south of Austin. Saw 5 woolly's and all were completely black. Come on snow!
I found a woolly caterpillar in my house 10 days ago. It could have dropped off a house plant. It is freezing outside so I put it in a large aerated container with twigs, leaves and moisture. It seems active and healthy so far. It's color at first was a faint purple but now seems all black. Will it spin a chrysalis ?
Should I keep it until the Spring ? What should I give it to eat ?
I just found one in my hallway at the entrance and killed it. I didn't know what it was. I thought it was one of the fuzzy balls my seven year old had brought home from school. I was going to save it for her but then it felt weird when I touched it because it didn't feel a toy. I squeezed it, the shape changed. I squeezed again not knowing what I am touching yellow stuff started coming out of it, that is how I knew it was a bug. I came and looked on line what it could be and that is how I know what I just killed. If there is another one in the house would it harm anything or I shouldn't worry.
it's very cool
We were just at our farm in Sadieville, Ky and witnessed hundreds of "wooly bear/worms" with predominantly brown bands. Warm late fall as well. Looks like we might see reasonable winter.
For the first time, I have seen many all black wooly bears this year. I guess they are young? Forecasters are predicting a snowy winter for us in the mid-Atlantic...according to myth, we should have a very mild winter. Shows you what they know!
I'm from upstate n.y. & we walk our boxer everyday on the Erie Canal trail & we see them all the time , I will say there is lil black n lots of orange/brown in the center ....
u should get a couple to keep as a pet and play with them and care 4 them so they turn into butterflies and they eat leaves grass and milk weeds so they eat and turn into a cocoon and then a butterflies!!!!! :D oh ya im taking care of 1 we found him to day i named him bunnicula.
I live on Delmarva and all the wooly bears here have a wide brown stripe with narrower black stripes at each end. I hope this is a good predictor of a mild winter.
I live in Delaware and we have had a lot of these caterpillars everywhere and all of them had a large brown stripe. We have already had a foot of snow and 6 inches more are on the way. So who knows???
I've been in Upper Bucks County, Pa. (SE Pa.) since Halloween. I walk my Golden's 3x a day in the woods and fields behind where I am staying. All of the Wooly Bears that I have spotted had a very narrow brown band OR were all Black! This is the first time I have ever seen an all Black Wooly. Just in case, my dogs and I are leaving the area for a sunny California climate.
Well, it looks to me as if the all Black Wooly won out in predicting a bad winter. S.E. Pennsylvania has had numerous record setting days as well as more 6"(+)snow storms (by Jan 30) than we have had in Years! We still have February coming and traditionally that has been the month with the most snow! I came back to Pa. and Vt. to visit and now I am headed back to Northern California where their own weather records are being set!
i live in akron ohio i have seen 2 of the wooly bears both have had very little black mostly orange /brown hope they are right dont want to much snow here
Just spotted the fist whooly bear of the season here in Fort Wayne IN. He was a beautiful black and brown. His middle section of brown took up way more than a third of his body... Mild winted maybe ??!! :-) We will see.. Happy fall everyone.
I saw my first wolly worm here in Cookeville Tn. on the golf coarse today.Small black bank on each end and 3/4 of worm brown.
Ive seen the same in CT. and we have about 3ft. of snow so far this yr.
I've been seeing Tons of woolly worms in the past month! I live in Northwest Indiana, and I see them crossing the Roads all over!
I live in Salisbury, NC and my husband and I have seen 2 solid black wooly worms in the last week. I hope this means snow. Just no ice, please.
My husband and I just seen a completely black wooly bear in Falling Waters, WV. NEVER seen full black before.
Of course, my husband is hoping for a lot of snow as always!
In Northeast Oklahoma
Just saw the first woolly worm this year,his color is solid burnt orange.However our pressimon seeds are all spoon shaped.We have not had a winter in 2 years now and would really like to see a little snow.
10/26/13 - Near Philly, WOLLY BEAR Invasion! All the ones I've seen were mostly brown/orange with very little black on them, put away the sleds kids and don't count on too many snow days, IF the little buggers can hopefully be believed!
Read an article that says the black are not the banded woolly bear.
"People, however, can be mistaken into thinking there will be a harsh winter because they looked at the wrong caterpillar.
"There is a pure black woolly bear relative that is often confused with the banded woolly bear," Raupp said."
The one's I have been seeing in southern Ohio are a bit more than 1/3 brown or orange, black at both ends.
That is what I have been seeing here in Alabama too!! I have never seen this many before, so I am trying to figure out what that is telling me. They are all over my porch area, and a lot of them! I am trying to figure out the cause or reason. They are brown, orange in the middle with thick black stripes on the end.
Okay....now yer tellin' me that the fuzzy lil buggers are wearing disguises?
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We have found a lot of all black wooly bear caterpillars this year in north east Ohio. Guess that means we have lots of YOUNG ones?
We just saw one on our welcome mat this afternoon, and after the bad rain storm we had in Southern PA a couple of weeks ago there were a whole bunch around. I haven't seen them in years, and now all of a sudden they're everywhere. So much for another mild winter :(
In S.W. Virginia here, started to see the woolly bear near the end of Sept. and at that time they were all burnt orange/brown in color. But now there are a ton of them everywhere, and they are all solid black.. and a few with hardly any brownish orange color to them. Guess that means bad winter here. And this has been passed down for years, and has always been right.
Here at JB-MDL in central NJ there is a woolly bear invasion over the past two weeks the likes of which has not been seen in the previous 8 years. We normally see a few dozen over a two-three week period, but this year there are thousands of them, everywhere. Most have 7 to 9 brown segments with two or three black at the front and rear. A few are all brown except for the head which is black. They are very cool critters!
Here near the beach (Milford,CT) we have had an invasion of woolly bears in last 2 weeks also. About 8 segments are brown w/2-3 black at front & rear. Hope the 'folklore' is true...don't want another 4 foot snowstorm !!!
Hey Sean, do they have ticks too? Just retired this past summer. Last duty station, JB MDL. Ticks were terrible there... oh by the way, agree, they are cool critters.
Have recently started to see them and they range from very little black to about 1/4 front and back. Today saw one that was mostly brown. Hope the 'folklore' holds true.
In Maryland, I've seen a lot more of these guys than in recent years. I'm looking at an all-black one as I type.
In VA, I haven't seen so many as I have in years past. They seem mostly black with very little brown.
We live on the Eastern Shore and are having a lot more striped woolly bears then usual. I have not seen an all black one either.
I just realized today I haven't seen any yet this year and was curious about that.
I counted 63 on my walk today and I only started counting halfway through the walk!
Just saw the 1st one this season(10/20/13), probably 2/3 brown and 1/6 black at each end;hope Dec.thru Feb. will be mild! Year before last could hardly walk in the yard for all the acorns and nut shells--bad winter.Last year very few--not so bad! Also the squirrels' tails are not longer and thicker as in cold years past. I'm in Burlington in Northern KY.
I live in southwest Ohio and I've seen several all black woolly. I had never seen that before. They always had brown bands.
Same here in extreme southern MI (right on the OH & IN lines)! I came across this article b/c we were talking about what in the world a pure black woolly bear meant, since no one else had ever seen one, either. Sounds like we're in for a doozy of a Winter! :/
I pulled down several Kung Pau plants that I had hanging in my garage to pick the peppers. After several plants I found a wooly bear crawling up the step below me. It is 3/4 brown/beige with small amounts of black on each end. I live between Cincinnati and Dayton, OH.
We have wolley bears everywhere... everywhere.
i have never seen so many wooley bears in my life, scared or ready for some fun, kev
I just found a wooly bear he has very little black on him /her.. I live in south central PA near the MD line. I would have to say that if the color bands are an indication of weather I would have to say that the woolly bears bands are based on previous winter because we had a very mild winter last year and the woolly bear I found last year had more black on it then brown. So winter of 2011/2012 was much snowier and harsh than the winter of 2012/2013. Just my thoughts on what I have viewed with the woolly bear..
TriState area, NW Virginia. Our wolly bears are mostly dark reddish brown with black heads and tails.
I too just saw a wooly bear with very little black in southern Indiana--Bloomington, IN. If this predicts this coming winter, it will be mild, if this is based on the previous winter, it is true--our winter was very mild 2012-1013. Am anxious to see how the 2013-2014 winter will go---I love winter as long as I don't have to drive in it!
I saw two woolie bear caterpillers brown on both ends and black in the center .Is this normel all the pictures we see are the other way around
My co-worker and I each have seen one in the last week and it was black on each end and brown in the middle!
I've seen 6 or 7 in the past few weeks in my area. All have had a wide brown/orange mid section with much smaller head and butt sections. A mild winter would be much appreciated!
Black wolly worms mean alot of snow and cold.My dad taught me his years ago and has always came true.
October 15th - wooly bear all brown!!! Hopefully a nice mild winter in Vermont this year!!
I too just seen 7 under my flower pot, having mostly brown with head and butt with little black. I hope these little guys are true to mild winter :-)
I just captured one that somehow got into my living room, curled up tight while I vaccuumed. This one was pretty much all black, just a hint of rustiness to the central body hairs. We'll see if this snow town in Vt gets buried this year, unlike last!
Lots of black on them in N.E. Pa...
In Dunkirk/Fredonia area in Ny. We have been seeing all black ones. Does that means we will have bad winter? Something like 1977 winter?
If you see alot of black willy worms then there will be alot of snow and cold. Doug Miller
All the wooly bears were black and a couple of them were black orange black and there are thousands up here in Crossville,Tennessee.:(
Today (10/12/13) there were about a half-dozen or so woolly bears inside the barn (SE Wisconsin). Most had medium to large burnt-orange middle sections. One was mostly burnt-orange with only narrow head and butt segments being black.
We have been seeing tons of these lil fuzzy bears here in Ostego county New York. All are brown as brown can be and little black on both sides so this is a great sign. As a hunter im out in the woods all the time always watching mother nature and pay special attention to the these little guys and this year we have more than usual.Hopefully they are right we can sure use a very mild winter..
Found an orange and black this morning. 3 black bands near butt, 6 orange bands through body, 1 black near head, and 1 band orange at the head. But he was VERY wooly. Manhattan, KS.
I opened a cabinet in my bedroom and there on the side was a big caterpillar. I had never seen one like it before, especially in the house so I called my husband in from outside. He has gloves on already so he picked him up. The caterpillar rolled up into a ball and was half black half orange. It was so pretty it looked like a pompom so we took him out front and put him on a plant. Hope it means a warm winter here in Wyoming.
Seeing black on both ends and middle brown here in southeastern Mi. since early September. NO solid black..very relieved! :-)
All (except for one) of the woolly bears I've seen in Woodstock, CT, have been completely black.
All of the wooly bears I've seen (and photographed) in South Central Michigan this fall are completely black. Should I head to Florida immediately?
Big solid black beautiful one today at West Point, NY.
Sorry but I live in and around Calhoun and Jackson County and the ones here I have seen since Sept 2013 are more brown than black so must be exactly where you are living.
lotsa black woolys here in Oceana County,Michigan,,we will see if the folklore about bad winters is true,,,soon


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