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Part 1 of this series gave you an overview of JSTL -- the new specification of commonly-needed JSP tag libraries -- and showed you how to use the core JSTL actions. In this article, I'll dig a bit deeper and discuss how JSTL can help you with internationalization and database access. The bulk of the article does not require any Java programming knowledge, but the sections that deal with how servlets and other Java classes interact with the JSTL actions do. If you're not a Java programmer, you can just skip those sections.
Large Web sites often need to please visitors from all over the world, and serving up content in just one language doesn't cut it. To develop a Web site that provides a choice of languages, you have two options:
Often you end up with a mixture of these techniques, using separate pages for mostly static, large amounts of content and shared pages when the amount of content is small but dynamic (e.g., a page with a few fixed labels displayed in different languages and all other data coming from a database).
Preparing an application for multiple languages is called internationalization (commonly abbreviated as i18n) and making content available for a specific language is called localization (or l10n). To do this right, you need to consider other things besides the language. How dates and numbers are formatted differ between countries, and even within countries. Colors, images, and other nontextual content may also need to be adapted to the customs of a certain region. The term locale refers to a set of rules and content suitable for a specific region or culture.
JSTL includes a set of actions to simplify internationalization, primarily when shared pages are used for multiple languages. Let's first look at how to properly format dates and numbers. This example formats the current date and a number based on the rules for a default locale.
<%@ taglib prefix="fmt" uri="http://java.sun.com/jstl/fmt" %>

Formatting with the default locale

<jsp:useBean id="now" class="java.util.Date" />
Date: <fmt:formatDate value="${now}" dateStyle="full" />
Number: <fmt:formatNumber value="${now.time}" />
The first line is the
taglib directive for the JSTL
library that contains the i18n and formatting actions. The default
prefix, used here, is
fmt. To get a value to format,
I then create a
java.util.Date object that represents
the current date and time, and save it as a variable named
In This Series
We're now prepared to do some locale-sensitive
formatting. The JSTL
<fmt:formatDate> action formats
now variable value, assigned to the
attribute value using the type of EL expression you learned about in
the previous article in this series.
dateStyle attribute tells the action how to format the date.
You can use any of the values
long, or
full for the
dateStyle attribute. Exactly what type of formatting
these values represent varies depending on the locale. For the English
full results in a string like Thursday,
August 29, 2002. In this example, I have only formatted the date part, but
you can include the time part as well (or format just the time part), and define
customized formatting rules for both the date and time instead of the
locale-dependent styles:
<fmt:formatDate value="${now}" type="both"
pattern="EEEE, dd MMMM yyyy, HH:mm" />
pattern attribute takes a custom formatting pattern of
the same type as the
java.text.SimpleDateFormat class. The
pattern used here results in Thursday, 29 August 2002, 17:29
with the English locale when I write this. The
<fmt:formatNumber> action supports similar attributes
to specify how to format a number using locale-dependent styles for a
regular number, currency value, or a percentage, as well as using
customized patterns of different kinds. You can learn more about all of the formatting options in the JSTL specification or in my
JavaServer Pages, 2nd Edition book.
Back to the main question: how is the locale for formatting the
date and the number determined? If you use the JSTL actions exactly as
in this example, doing nothing else, the formatting locale is
determined by comparing the locales specified in a request header named
Accept-Language with the locales supported by the Java
runtime environment.
The header, if present, contains one or more locale specifications (in the form of a language code and possibly a country code), with information about their relative priority. The user uses browser configurations to define which locale specifications to send. The request locales are compared in priority order with the ones offered by the Java runtime, and the best match is selected.
If no match is found, the formatting action looks for the so-called fallback-locale configuration setting. A configuration setting is a value set either by a context parameter in the application's web.xml file or by a JSTL action or Java code in one of the JSP scopes. To set the fallback locale in the web.xml file, include these elements:
With this setting, the German locale (specified by the
language code as the parameter value) is used if none of the locales
specified by the request are supported by the Java runtime.
JSTL also lets you set a hardcoded default locale for the application that you can then override when needed. This gives you full control over which locale is used, instead of relying on the whims of the visitor's browser configuration. The default locale is also a configuration setting. It can be specified with a context parameter in the web.xml like this:
This setting establishes English as the default locale for the application, resulting in the previous JSP page example always formatting the date and the number according to the English rules.
To override the default locale configuration setting, you can use the
<fmt:setLocale> action. It sets the default locale
within a specific JSP scope. Here's an example that sets the default
locale for the page scope, based on a cookie that keeps track of
the locale a user selected during a previous visit:

Formatting with a locale set by setLocale

<c:if test="${!empty cookie.preferredLocale}">
<fmt:setLocale value="${cookie.preferredLocale.value}" />
<jsp:useBean id="now" class="java.util.Date" />
Date: <fmt:formatDate value="${now}" dateStyle="full" />
Number: <fmt:formatNumber value="${now.time}" />
Here I first use the JSTL
<c:if> action to test if a
cookie named
preferredLocale is received with the
request. If so, the
<fmt:setLocale> action overrides
the locale for the current page by setting the locale configuration
variable in the page scope. If you want to, you can set the locale
for another scope using the
scope attribute. Finally,
the date and the number are formatted according to the rules for the
locale specified by the cookie, or the default locale, if the cookie
isn't present.
In addition to formatting actions, JSTL includes actions for
interpreting (parsing) dates and numbers in a locale-sensitive way:
<fmt:parseDate> and
<fmt:parseNumber>. These actions support pretty
much the same attributes as their formatting counterparts, and can
be used to convert dates and numeric input into their native
form before they are further processed. I'll show you an example of
this later in this article.
If you've developed Web applications using Java technology for some time, you have no doubt heard about the MVC pattern and, most likely, about the Apache Struts MVC framework. The basic idea behind the MVC pattern is that an application is easier to maintain and evolve if the different parts of the application (Model, View, and Controller) are implemented as separate components. For Java, this typically means using beans as the Model (business logic), JSP pages as the View (the user interface), and a servlet as the Controller (the piece that controls the communication between the View and the Model). The Struts framework provides a generic Controller servlet that delegates the processing of specific types of requests to classes called Action classes, and then uses a JSP page specified by the Action to generate the response.
JSTL is designed to play well in an MVC-based application by exposing
a class that can be used by any Java component, such as a Struts
Action class, to access the configuration variables used by the
JSTL actions in the JSP pages representing the View. The class is
javax.servlet.jsp.jstl.core.Config and contains
constants (static final
String variables) for all
configuration variables, and methods for setting, getting, and removing
the variables in different JSP scopes. You can use code like this in
a Struts Action class to set the default locale for the session, based on
profile data, when a user logs in to the application:
import javax.servlet.jsp.jstl.core.Config;
public class LoginAction extends Action {
public ActionForward perform(ActionMapping mapping,
ActionForm form, HttpServletRequest request,
HttpServletResponse response)
throws IOException, ServletException {
String userName = request.getParameter("userName");
String password = request.getParameter("password");
User user = authenticate(userName, password);
if (user != null) {
* Valid user. Set the default locale in the session
* to the user's preferred locale
HttpSession session = request.getSession();
Config.set(session, Config.FMT_LOCALE, user.getLocale());
Config class provides four versions of the
set() method, one for each JSP scope (specified by the
first method parameter). Here I use the one that sets the variable
in the session scope. The second parameter is the name of the
configuration, typically set by the corresponding constant. The
third parameter is the variable value. For reading and removing
variables, the class provides similar
get() and
remove() methods, plus a
find() method
for locating a variable in any scope. In addition to using these
methods in a Controller, you may want to use them in your own
custom tag handlers to take advantage of the JSTL configuration setting
While date and number formatting is important when localizing an
application, the text content is, of course, even more so. JSTL is
based on Java, so it leverages the generic i18n support in the Java
platform. When it comes to text, this support is based on what's
called a resource bundle. In its simplest form, a resource
bundle is represented by a text file containing keys and a text
value for each key. This example shows a file with two keys
hello and
goodbye) and their values:
Multiple locales are supported by creating separate files for each
locale, with a filename that includes the locale name. For instance, if
the resource bundle file above represents the English locale, it may
be stored in a file named labels_en.properties. The resource
bundle for the Swedish locale would then be stored in a file named
labels_sv.properties, where
sv is the language
code for Swedish. The fixed part of the file name,
in this example, is called the resource bundle base name, and
it's combined with a locale specification (such as a language code)
to find the resource bundle for a specific locale. All resource bundle
files include the same keys; only the text differs depending on the
locale. The files must be located in a directory that's part of the Web
container's classpath, typically the application's WEB-INF/classes
The JSTL action that adds text from a resource bundle to a
page is the
<fmt:message> action. The bundle
to use can be specified in a number of ways. One way is to nest
<fmt:message> actions within the body of
<fmt:bundle> action:
<fmt:bundle basename="labels">
Hello: <fmt:message key="hello" />
Goodbye: <fmt:message key="goodbye" />
In this case, the
<fmt:bundle> action locates
the bundle for the locale that is the closest match between the
locale configuration setting (or the locales in the
Accept-Language header, if no default locale is set) and the
available resource bundles for the specified base name. The nested
actions then get the text from this bundle for the specified key.
As with the formatting actions, you can also establish a default
bundle, either for the whole application with a context parameter
or with the
<fmt:setBundle> action or the
Config class for a specific JSP scope:
<fmt:setBundle basename="labels"/>
Hello: <fmt:message key="hello" />
Goodbye: <fmt:message key="goodbye" />
After a default bundle has been defined, you can use the
<fmt:message> actions standalone within the
scope where the default is established.
There are more options for the i18n and formatting actions than
I can fit into this article. For instance, you can use messages
that contain dynamic values assigned using nested
<fmt:param> actions, and override which bundle
to use within a certain context. Another important area when it
comes to i18n is how to handle languages with non-Western characters.
I describe all of this and more in JavaServer Pages, 2nd Edition.
A somewhat controversial subject is JSTL's inclusion of actions for accessing a database. Some people see this as encouraging bad practices, and argue that all database access should be performed by pure Java components in an MVC-based application instead of by JSP pages. I agree with this point of view for anything but the simplest applications, but there are a lot of applications that qualify as very simple, and where lack of programming skills or time makes a full-blown MVC architecture impractical. Without JSTL support, these applications often end up with Java database access code in scriptlets instead, and that is far worse from both a development and maintenance standpoint. I'll therefore show you how to use JSTL to access a database in JSP pages, but ask you to keep in mind that this approach is not suitable for all types of applications. If your development team includes Java programmers, you should carefully consider encapsulating the database access code in Java classes instead, and use JSP only to display the result.
The JSTL database actions are based on the general Java database API
(JDBC) and use the
javax.sql.DataSource abstraction
introduced in JDBC 2.0 to represent the database.
DataSource provides connections to the
database and can implement a feature called connection pooling.
Opening a physical connection to a database is a very time-consuming
operation. With connection pooling, it only needs to be done once,
and the same connection can then be reused over and over, without
risking problems associated with other connection-sharing approaches.
JSTL supports a number of ways to make a
available to the database actions. In a Web container with Java
Naming and Directory Interface (JNDI) support, a default
DataSource can be defined as a JNDI resource with a
context parameter in the web.xml file:
The Web container's JNDI configuration tools must be used to configure a JNDI resource with the specified name; for instance, with a database account username and password, min and max connections in the pool, etc. How this is done varies between containers and is out of scope for this article (I cover, in detail, how to do it for Tomcat 4 in JavaServer Pages, 2nd Edition, though).
An alternative for containers that do not support JNDI is to let an
application (servlet context) lifecycle listener create and configure
DataSource and set it as the default using the JSTL
Config class:
import javax.servlet.*;
import javax.servlet.http.*;
import oracle.jdbc.pool.*;
public class AppListener implements ServletContextListener {
private OracleConnectionCacheImpl ds =null;
public void contextInitialized(ServletContextEvent sce){
ServletContext application =sce.getServletContext();
try {
ds = new OracleConnectionCacheImpl();
catch (Exception e){
application.log("Failed to create data source:"+
The listener class in this example creates a
with connection pool capabilities for an Oracle9i database,
and makes it available as the default for the JSTL actions by
using the
Config class to set the corresponding
configuration variable.
A third way, only suitable for prototyping or applications that are
not so heavily used as to need connection pooling, is to use the
<sql:setDataSource> action:
password="tiger" />
This action creates a simple data source, without pooling, for the specified JDBC URL, user and password, using the specified JDBC driver. You may use this action to get started, but I recommend that you use one of the other alternatives for a real site. Besides the lack of connection pooling for a data source created this way, it's not a good idea to include sensitive information like the database URL, username and password in a JSP page, since it may be possible for a Bad Guy to get access to the source of the page. Even though it shouldn't be possible, several bugs have been discovered in Web containers over the years that made this possible (as far as I know, all of them have been plugged in recent versions of the most commonly-used containers).
With a
DataSource available, we can access the
database. Here's how you read data from a database represented by
the default
<%@ taglib prefix="sql" uri="http://java.sun.com/jstl/sql" %>

Reading database data

<sql:query var="emps" sql="SELECT * FROM Employee" />
First you need to declare the JSTL library that contains the database
actions, using the
taglib directive at the top of this
example. The
<sql:query> action executes the
SELECT statement specified by the
sql attribute (or
as the body of the action element) and saves the result in the variable
named by the
var attribute.
The database query result is returned as a bean of the type
javax.servlet.jsp.jstl.sql.Result with a number of
read-only properties:
|Java Type
|An array with a case-insensitive map per row with keys matching column names and values matching column values.
|An array with an array per row with column values.
|An array with column names.
|The number of rows in the result.
true if not all matching rows are included due
to reaching a specified max rows limit.
I showed you how to use the JSTL
<c:forEach> action
to display all or just some of the rows in part 1 of this article, so
let's see how you can get just some of the rows and display
them all in this part. Next and Previous links allow the user to
ask for a different set. First, here's how to read a subset of the
rows and then display the complete subset:
<c:set var="noOfRows" value="10" />
<sql:query var="emps"
startRow="${param.start}" maxRows="${noOfRows}">
SELECT * FROM Employee
<c:forEach items="${emps.rows}" var="${emp}">

<c:out value="${emp.name}" />
startRow attribute for the
<sql:query> action is set to an EL expression that
reads the value of a request parameter named
start. You'll
soon see how its value changes when clicking on the Next and Previous
links. The first time the page is accessed, the parameter is not present
at all, so the expression evaluates to 0. This means the query result
contains rows starting with the first matching row (index 0).
maxRows attribute limits the total number of rows to
the value of the
noOfRows variable, set to 10 in this
example. The
<c:forEach> action loops through all rows in
the result and generates a list item with one of the column values for
each row.
We must also generate Next and Previous links to let the user grab a new set of rows:
<c:when test="${param.start > 0}">
<a href="emplist.jsp?start=<c:out
value="${param.start - noOfRows}"/>">Previous Page
Previous Page
<c:when test="${emps.limitedByMaxRows}">
<a href="emplist.jsp?start=<c:out
value="${param.start + noOfRows}"/>">Next Page
Next Page
The first
<c:choose> block is identical to the
example in part 1; if the
start request parameter is greater than zero, the current page shows a row subset other than the
first, so a Previous link is added. The link points back to the same
page, and includes the
start parameter with a value
that is its current value minus the number of rows displayed per
The second
<c:choose> block takes advantage of the
query result's
limitedByMaxRows property. If this property
true, it means that the current result is truncated
to the number of rows displayed per page.
Hence, a Next link is generated with a
start parameter
value for the next row subset.
Besides reading data from a database, you can use JSTL to update information, as well. This example shows how to insert a new row in a table:
<c:catch var="error">
<fmt:parseDate var="empDate" value="${param.empDate}"
pattern="yyyy-MM-dd" />
<c:if test="${error != null}">
<jsp:useBean id="empDate" class="java.util.Date" />
INSERT INTO Employee (FirstName, LastName, EmpDate)
<sql:param value="${param.firstName}" />
<sql:param value="${param.lastName}" />
<sql:dateParam value="${empDate}" type="date" />
Before inserting the row, this example illustrates how to use the JSTL
parsing actions, as I promised earlier. The page expects all data for
the new row to be sent as request parameters (perhaps entered in an
HTML form), including an employment date. Before the date can be inserted
into the database, it must be converted to its native Java form.
That's what the
<fmt:parseDate> action does. The
value attribute contains an EL expression that gets the
value of the
empDate request parameter. The action tries
to interpret it as a date written in the format specified by the
pattern attribute (a four-digit year followed by a
two-digit month and a two-digit day, separated by dashes). If it's
successful, it stores the date in its native form in a variable with
the name specified by the
var attribute.
<c:catch> action takes care of invalid date
strings. If the parameter value can not be interpreted as
a date, the
<fmt:parseDate> throws an exception,
which the
<c:catch> action catches and saves in
the specified variable. When this happens, the
action's test condition evaluates to
true, so the variable
for the employment date is instead created by the nested
<jsp:useBean> action.
To insert the row, you use the
<sql:update> action.
As with the query action, the SQL statement can be specified as
the element's body or by an
sql attribute. The
<sql:update> action can be used to execute
UPDATE, and
DELETE statements, as well as statements that create or
remove database objects, such as
CREATE TABLE and
DROP TABLE. The
number of rows affected by the statement can optionally be captured
in a variable named by a
var attribute.
In this example (as in most real-world applications), the column values
are not known until runtime; they come from request parameters.
The SQL
INSERT statement therefore includes one question mark per
value as a placeholder and nested parameter actions that set the value
dynamically. The
FirstName and
LastName columns are text
columns, and
<sql:param> actions set their values
to the values of the corresponding request parameters.
EmpDate column, however, is a date column, demanding
special attention. First of all, you must use a variable that holds
a date in its native form (a
java.util.Date object),
so instead of using the request parameter value, we use the variable
created by the
<fmt:parseDate> or
<jsp:useBean> actions. Second, you must use the
<sql:dateParam> action to set the value. In this
example, I'm using only the date part, so I also set the optional
type attribute to
date. Other
valid values are
time and
timestamp (the
default), for columns that take only the time or both the date and time.
There's one more JSTL database action that I have not described so
<sql:transaction>. You can use this action
to group multiple update (or even query) actions when they must all
be executed as part of the same database transaction. The standard
example is transferring an amount of money from one account to
another, implemented as one SQL statement that removes the money from
the first account and another statement that adds it to the other. The
JSTL specification and my book include detailed examples of how to
use transactions.
If you encapsulate all database access in Java classes instead of
using the JSTL database action, there's still one part of JSTL that
you may find useful. It's a class named
javax.servlet.jsp.jstl.sql.ResultSupport, with these two
public static Result toResult(java.sql.ResultSet rs);
public static Result toResult(java.sql.ResultSet rs, int maxRows);
You can use this class to turn a standard JDBC
object into a JSTL
Result object before forwarding it to
a JSP page for display. The JSTL actions can easily access the data in a
Result object, as shown earlier. Another, arguably better,
approach is to pass the query result to the JSP page as a custom
data structure, such as a
List of beans that contain the
data for each row, but the
Result object is still a good
candidate for prototypes and small applications.
In this installment, I have described the JSTL support for internationalization and database access, including how some of the resources used by these actions can be configured through the web.xml file, JNDI, and servlets, letting other components of an MVC-based application interact with the JSTL actions. It's impossible to discuss everything about these subjects in detail in an article, but I hope that what I've described is enough to get you started.
In the next part, we will look at how classes defined by the JSTL specification can be used to simplify development of your own custom actions.
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I've just been doing some reading of the monastic practice of the Patimokka recital and have some questions about how it actually works in practice. Across the various Vinaya texts that evolved over time, there are two key requirements that appear to be somewhat at cross purposes. These are the requirements that:
- All monks are to engage in the fortnightly Patimokkha recital
- Only those monks who are pure of conduct can attend the Patimokkha recital
It appears that the second requirement may be managed through a private confession to another bhikkhu prior to the official ceremony, so that any misdemeanours are already confessed and remedied previously, prior to the formal session.
In summary that's how I understand it, but I have no doubt that it varies significantly between communities, let alone across countries, and that different communities will place different emphasis on different things, and place different emphasis on the "earlier" or "latter" developments (in relation to the two requirements stated above the first appears to be earlier than the second).
So... a couple of questions to anyone here who has participated in a Patimokkha ceremony...
- Were offenses confessed at, or prior to the formal Patimokkha recital?
- What has been your experience of Patimokkha recitals generally, and how have they differed amongst different communities?
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The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (2001)
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Starring: Billy Boyd, Cate Blanchett, Christopher Lee, Dominic Monaghan, Elijah Wood, Hugo Weaving, Ian Holm, Ian McKellen, John Rhys-Davies, Liv Tyler, Orlando Bloom, Sean Astin, Sean Bean, Viggo Mortensen
Revealing mistake: At Bag End, Gandalf is leaning on the fireplace talking to Bilbo. Then, just as Bilbo says, "It was just a bit of fun," Gandalf's eye contact does not quite line up with Bilbo. This is because they were shot individually and placed together in editing.
Continuity mistake: When Boromir attacks him, Frodo frantically slips the Ring onto his middle finger (with the chain). Yet, as Frodo runs up the steps of the ruins, Boromir yells, "Frodo, I'm sorry!" and Frodo wears the Ring on his index finger. He is terrified, so as to remain invisible he does not change fingers.
Continuity mistake: Boromir gets hit by Lurtz's second arrow, drops down to his knees in front of Merry and Pippin, gathers strength, turns around and stabs an Uruk. In the next wide shot and close-up, he stands and is about to stab an Uruk in the back and the two arrows in his chest are there. Yet, in the next wide shot, as his blade is going down into the Uruk, Boromir has only the lower arrow in him, the one near his shoulder is NOT there, for 23 frames. In the next close-up, the upper arrow is back. These arrows are NOT CGI.
Revealing mistake: After Sam dives between the Troll's legs and tries to crawl away, Aragorn and Boromir pull the chain that's around the Troll's neck to get him away from Sam. In the next two shots of Sam, his left wrist has an ace bandage wrapped around it - it's at his white shirt cuff. Notice the bar on his palm between his thumb and index finger. He did not have the bandage in earlier shots, nor does he have it in later shots.
Continuity mistake: At the gap in the stairs in Moria, Boromir ducks as he is nearly hit by an arrow, and sheathes his sword. In the following close up he sheathes it again as he stands behind Gandalf.
Continuity mistake: As Boromir and Aragorn talk right before Boromir dies, you can see Boromir's right hand gripping Aragorn's left shoulder in the shot from behind Aragorn's right shoulder, but when the camera view changes to Boromir's perspective, looking up at Aragorn, his hand is not there. The scene goes back and forth between these two views several times.
Visible crew/equipment: After starting their four day journey through the long dark of Moria, a few shots later Gandalf pulls on his hat brim, and just as he walks (with Legolas close behind) to his left (towards the viewer's right), up some stairs, the black electrical cable leading from the staff to under the robe's left sleeve is visible.
Revealing mistake: When Frodo stops rolling down the snow covered hill, just before the shot of Boromir picking up the Ring, you can see the edge of the stockings that the actors wore to protect their feet since they were walking in real snow for that scene.
Revealing mistake: Once the secret door to Moria is open, when Gimli says, "Soon Master Elf, you will enjoy the fabled hospitality of the Dwarves," as Gandalf leads the way inside, note the glint of the trailing power cord as it moves along the ground behind Gandalf and goes directly under his robe. This is the staff's electrical supply cable.
Continuity mistake: As Sam, Merry and Pippin run across the grass towards the Bucklebury Ferry, they have two shadows; bold ones behind them, presumably meant to be from the moon, but also unexplained faint ones to their right. (This is before they pass the cottage, so it can't be light from the weak lamps hanging outside.) When Frodo is then pursued by the wraith his shadow is in front of him, yet he is running in the same direction as the other hobbits were.
Continuity mistake: When the hobbits are hiding under the tree trunk from the Ringwraith in the beginning, you can see space to the left and right of the tree above them. Logically when the Ringwraith walks past the tree you would see it on the right side of the tree first, then on the left, but you don't - it looks like it walks out of the tree instead of behind it. [Confirmed on the commentaries - Elijah Wood asks his fellow actors if anyone spotted the mistake: 'It kind of magically comes out of the tree'. Sean Astin: 'You mean it doesn't pass from the other side?' Wood: 'No, it comes out from the centre.']
Continuity mistake: When the hobbits are sitting at the table in the Prancing Pony in Bree, Merry comes back with a pint. Pippin leaves to get one too. Then we see Sam mention to Frodo that a man is looking at them, across the table sits Pippin and no Merry.
Continuity mistake: When Frodo tells Sam about the Wood Elves, they both run up the hill and crouch behind a fallen log. In the shot of their backs and the elves in the background, Frodo is on the right side and Sam on the left. In the previous shot of their faces, Frodo was also on the right and Sam on the left. Extended DVD.
Revealing mistake: When Pippin falls in the Midgewater Marshes, you can see that part of his Hobbit foot is ripped off. Extended DVD.
Continuity mistake: At Bilbo's party, when Merry and Pippin set off the dragon firework, they are shown inside a small tent. The tent has dishes and other things in it, and is quite full. When the firework launches, taking the tent with it, you can see that all of the things inside the tent (with the exception of Merry and Pippin) have disappeared.
Continuity mistake: When Gimli falls onto his knees in front of Balin's Tomb in Moria, in one shot he's a few feet in front of it, in the next he is so close to it, that he could lay his head onto the tomb. In the following shot Gimli is further away again, so he should not have been able to reach it with his head.
Revealing mistake: When the hobbits ask Strider where he is taking them, he answers "Into the wild." A split second later as Strider walks past the camera the bow he carries on his back bumps into the camera, nudging the screen a bit.
Deliberate mistake: When Sam and Frodo are in the field with the scarecrow, you can plainly see a car cruising past in the distance, from right to left. Further comment - there are two different shots which show the car moving from right to left. One starts at the top right distance, and in a shot a few seconds later the car has traveled down the road a bit and is more easily visible. Complicating matters is that the dust thrown up by the car looks similar to smoke from a chimney in the right distance, making some people think it is just the chimney. But chimneys don't move, and the smoke from the chimney is separate from the moving vehicle. [It is deleted on the DVD, but you can still see an obvious bit of image fakery on the hill just left of the smoking chimney. One can see the hill, tree, and surrounding area move up and down and shimmer slightly where someone has done a cut and paste to cover up the auto. The "car inclusive" scene appears on the National Geographic documentary, "Beyond the Movie The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring." Also, watch the music documentary on the Extended DVD - when it shows this scene the car is still in it. Bizarrely, in his commentary Peter Jackson said he never saw a car and doesn't know what people are talking about, but the production/post-production team say in their commentary that despite not thinking anyone would be able to see it, they took it out anyway.]
Revealing mistake: When Arwen enters the water after being chased by the Ringwraiths, as she turns the horse, you can clearly see the fake hobbit (representing an injured Frodo), bounce up and down like a rubber band.
Continuity mistake: When the Fellowship meets in Rivendell, and Gimli tries to break the Ring with his axe, the axe breaks into many pieces on the platform upon which the Ring is laid. At first, the pieces are there in the close-up view. When the camera pans back for a long range view of the Fellowship, the pieces of the axe on the platform are gone. In the following close-up, the pieces magically reappear.


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Machado, Flaherty ignite five-run rally to sink Sox
Down by two in ninth, struggling hitters propel Orioles to thrilling win
BOSTON -- Orioles third baseman Manny Machado, one of several players off to an unexceptional start, had one hit in his last 18 at-bats when he dug in against Red Sox closer Joel Hanrahan, with two outs, the bases loaded and Wednesday's game on the line.
Second baseman Ryan Flaherty had three strikeouts and not a hit on the season, going 0-for-17 until he stepped up with the Orioles down a run and down to their final out.
Despite the dire circumstances, the scuffling players stepped up big for Baltimore, with Flaherty's two-out single sparking a ninth-inning rally and Machado's three-run homer putting the finishing touches on an 8-5 series-evening win against the Red Sox at soggy Fenway Park.
The season is still young, but the victory, which snapped a three-game skid and erased the ill effects of Boston's back-to-back homers off reliever Tommy Hunter in the sixth, shouldn't be understated for an Orioles club that pulled back to .500.
"We were freaking out pretty good," starter Jake Arrieta said of the group in the clubhouse watching the ninth inning unfold on television. "It really doesn't matter when we get a win like this during the season. They're all big, especially second game in Fenway of the season. Fans are pumped up, team's pumped up. To get to their closer like that in the ninth is big."
The Orioles, who have double-digit strikeouts in their last two games, rallied from a two-run hole and overcme some abysmal offensive production to do it, particularly in the bottom of the order.
Things got started when Chris Davis, who has carried the offense in the season's early going, hit his fifth home run of the season to pull the O's within one.
"I started off with a tough battle with Davis there," said Hanrahan, who suffered his first blown save of the year. "I threw him a couple of good breaking balls that he fouled off, and he got that one to start it off. I've just got to put guys away."
Flaherty kept the Orioles' hopes alive in poking a ball through the hole at shortstop, after Hanrahan had retired Matt Wieters and J.J. Hardy.
"He got the show started," Machado said of Flaherty, who had nine strikeouts in his first 17 at-bats. "It gave us that little rally we needed."
Nolan Reimold, part of a designated hitter group that has gone 1-for-26 this season, worked a walk to put the tying run in scoring position for leadoff man Nate McLouth, who worked a free pass on a full-count to load the bases and bring up Machado. After Hanrahan's wild pitch scored pinch-runner Alexi Casilla, Machado, who had one prior RBI on the season, turned loose for the three-run shot.
"That was pretty special," Flaherty said of Machado's first homer this season, which he watched sail into the Monster Seats from his view in the opposing dugout. "To see Manny, and he hadn't had a hit, and then he comes up and wins the game. It was huge. It was kind of a team inning."
"You can see the frustration on his face in the previous at-bats a little bit," manager Buck Showalter said of the 20-year-old Machado. "It's because they want to contribute. It's the reason Ryan and Manny want to contribute, they want to do something for our team. It's not personal. They want to be a contributor."
"That's why I feel good about these guys. They want to do better for the right reasons."
A 43-minute delay following the fifth inning chased Arrieta and Ryan Dempster from the game and brought on Hunter, who struck out the first two batters he faced before Daniel Nava went deep and Jarrod Saltalamacchia following with his first of the season.
"It's frustrating for Tommy, because he has too good of stuff to have that happen to him as often as it does," Showalter said of Hunter, who surrendered an American League-leading 32 homers last year and has given up 3 in 3 2/3 innings this season. "But you also see the three or four hitters he will go through that he will look as good as you want to see. It's up to us and him to figure out a way to minimize that from happening."
Arrieta also needs to figure out a way to minimize the walks, with the 27-year-old issuing four walks, two of which came around to score, and three hits in the 69-pitch outing.
"I talked to [pitching coach Rick Adair] in between innings and I think it was pretty obvious that I was thinking about the wrong thing in that situation," said Arrieta. "Rather than just be smooth, throw the ball down in the zone, I was way too worried about throwing a strike there."
Arrieta got a double-play to end the third and strand a pair of runners and was coming off a 1-2-3 fifth when play was halted.
The O's scored a first-inning run without a hit, capitalizing on outfielder Shane Victorino's error -- which put runners safely on second and third -- and using Nick Markakis' groundout to take an early lead. Markakis hit his first homer of the season, a solo shot to open the fourth, and the O's got another run off Dempster on Wieters' single and Jackie Bradley Jr.'s error in left field, which scored Adam Jones, who has hit safely in all eight of the team's games.
Troy Patton and Darren O'Day, who got the win, followed Hunter with scoreless innings, with closer Jim Johnson coming in to record his third save.
Brittany Ghiroli is a reporter for MLB.com. Read her blog, Britt's Bird Watch, and follow her on Twitter @britt_ghiroli. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.


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More updates for ya He-Fans and She-Raves,
So we know a lot of you have been asking us to add in the six 30th anniversary figures into the sub program to save on shipping. We do not have things finalized YET but it looks like this will be able to go through starting with the March figure Draego-Man (Photog may still need to be purchased day of).
But if all goes according to plan, we hope to offer a special 30th anniversary series "add-on" sub around late Oct/early Nov. The sub add on should ideally include the 5 remaining 30th anniversary figures after Photog which includes Draego-Man by the Four Horsemen, the two Mattel characters, the Geoff Johns character and the winner of the new Create a Character contest! (five of the six figs)
Additionally, it looks like an upgrade we have been working on will go into affect in Feb/March 2012 which will combine all sub shipping on all brands even if you bought them at separate times!
So if you have one brand's sub and still want to add another brand's sub in a second purchase order, the Jan/Feb subs may ship separate, but ideally starting in March (if all works out!) we will combine shipping in one order for all subs, including the new 30th anniversary sub we want to offer in a month or so. (As a refresh, currently, only subs purchased together in one order will combine shipping. The upgrade we are attempting should ideally combine all subs together in one shipment, even if bought at separate times!)
We are still getting our ducks in a row, but what does this mean? Well, if you are hesitant to buy a 2012 Club Eternia sub because you know you will be buying the 30th figures "day-of" anyway, this new "add-on" sub should (in a perfect world) allow us to combine all subs into one order and save on your shipping (starting with the Feb/March figures, it may not be in place in time for Jan figures, i.e. Photog).
We will confirm all the details at Power Con in late Sept and are committed to continuing to improve things with new process and logistics in place to save you on shipping!
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Nominations for Dudley Council's Taxi Base of The Year are open to celebrate the best of the private hire and hackney carriage industry in the region.
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Folks I had a great time and learned a lot about the Pacers and about the people who make up Pacers Digest! Hope I can make another party in the future.
BTW for anyone who is interested you can follow our travels at www.mccorkles.org.
Your website is really nice. I would love to travel and explore as much as you do. Seems like it would always keep things interesting.
Bobby, it was nice to meet you as well as all of the other new faces or ones I hadn't seen in quite a while. I enjoy the company of the regulars, but it's definitely nice to add some new people to the mix.
Let's see, who all were people I hadn't met before?
I saw mattie but didn't really get to talk with him.
owl made a surprise appearance for a while. Bobby Mac, shags, pacer4ever (though I'd see him at the Fieldhouse sometimes, never at one of these), DrFife, and Brohan Cruyff (never in a million years would have guessed on the spelling, hell I couldn't pronounce it and stuck with his real first name ). I think those were all of the first-timers?
I think this was kester99's second appearance.
Regulars were myself, Peck, Jose Slaughter, Naptown Seth, Roaming Gnome, I think this was the 3rd time for Trader Joe, counting draft parties?, BillS, LadyAT, Gamble1, and... I believe that was everybody?
I'm really bummed I couldn't make it. Tried to give it a go but just didn't have it in me yesterday (and still feeling it today).
How did the new location work out?
Had a great time, hopefully I can spend a bit more time on the forum this season so people will know who I am at the next one! Thanks to everyone who set things up.
"And Tottenham do not know what hit them...well I can tell you, it's Theo Walcott!"
"And it's Tony Adams put through by Steve Bould, WOULD YOU BELIEVE IT?! That...sums it all up."
Definitely ready for the next one already haha
Fox and Hound or Perkins?
Wish I could of gone, had a close friends birthday party. Hopefully next time.
I definitely like being able to go somewhere where we can get beers and food, but yeah management last night at Fox and Hound were pretty much ******** and to totally blow off a part of around 16 is a poor way to do business. It seemed like pretty much any request we made of them was a big hassle.
The Fox and the Hound was the problem.
Perkins is almost perfect for us.
Open 24 hours, pie. right next to an exit on 465, pie, plenty of room, pie, quite and pie.
He they had beer we could move in.
Even though I was there for only an hour I really enjoyed meeting everyone. Just a great group of people who love the Pacers
and good friendship. Too loud unfortunately. Thanks for your kindness Jose. Looking forward to the season gathering. Hicks,Peck,Pacersforever,TraderJoe,BobbyMac...gree tings.
Thanks to Jose for setting it up and Peck for moderating the discussions. It was nice to put faces to screen names, but mainly to meet a group of people who are big NBA fans. They're especially tolerant of Piston fans.
Ugh. Do not slander my friends name. Management at Fox and the Hound was NOT the problem.
The party arrangements originally had a specific room reserved. We were moved too a different room because another group actually PAID to have the room we wanted. Considering that every bar in the country has people have reservations and then NEVER show up, when someone actually pays, they get preferential treatment.
Considering the new room they moved us too had enough room to seat all of us, neither I nor the management figured this would be a problem. It was. This is MY FAULT. So if anyone is upset we were moved, make sure you're clear that I'm the *******, dickhead, or whatever insult is necessary to describe me. (I should have let everyone know the location had been moved to a different room so new arrangements could be made).
After a server was given trouble, (despite her job being nothing more than a server) despite free food already having been given to the group, and after the group was finally moved once again I believe management was more than accommodating.
Now, the location is not what you guys want so in the future we can find a much better location, so this is all simply water under the bridge. Who cares.
But let's be clear- Management at Fox and the Hound, which hosts parties for hundreds of sports fanatics all year long without ANY complaints, did all that was necessary to please the wishes of the party.
Anywho- all that matters is everyone had a great time, and it sounds like all did, so the next time we'll just make sure we don't go to Fox! Cheers!
Last edited by mattie; 10-14-2012 at 08:49 PM.
Do they have pie?
Good to meet many new people, it was a nice dynamic. One of my favorite things about Digest is the in-person interactions. I find that meeting people takes the edge off of some of the online discussions later because you have a face and voice to go with those words and it gives you new perspective on where they are coming from.
It was a weird discussion night. First the situation was an extremely poor fit for what a PD party is. The whole point of a PD party is discussion, not "hanging out", so the space needs to be quiet except for the group. And it's best to keep the group away from others because of all the loud discussion. That's the importance of an isolated room.
And then on top of that our topics just didn't have the zing of controversy to them. Not that this is a bad thing because for the most part it was case of everyone being in pleased agreement about the team's chances. No one thought the team was in trouble, no one thought they were title favorites either. I think everyone ranked them 2nd in the East, and a big reason for that was the view that the main 9 (starters, Green, Ian, DJ, Young) are all pretty solid and in total are a fair improvement over last year (say better by 10% maybe). Even the Tyler subject has reached a near end as a debate at this point.
Heck, when Bobby Mac told a story about the rowdy ABA teams it made me bring up the Brawl as a discussion about how the perception of it being "worst thing ever by players" was incorrect in the context of the forgotten ABA antics, and I think everyone was pretty much in agreement on that. Usually the inevitable brawl discussion blows into some moderately heated discussion, but now it seems like everyone is past it finally and can talk about it with some reduced emotions.
So that's where we are as a Pacers fanbase - moderately pleased, slightly comfortable. The ire and angst of recent seasons has really faded, but it hasn't quite been replaced with outright exuberance. I'd say we are in a holding pattern over Honolulu. We haven't touched down in paradise and there's no guarantee we will, but there's a sense that with a little patience we just might find ourselves there in the near future.
Having said that I'm teetering on full blown enthusiasm for their title chances THIS year.
Sorry I couldn't make this one. First one I've missed in a long time.
Look forward to next one
I ended up not being in Indy this weekend and was unable to go. Hopefully I can make one this year.
A shame, really, it could have been the perfect place. Well, aside perhaps from the bit of intestinal discomfort my wife and I were suffering the next morning - too much fried food, I'm guessing.
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...
Peace Mattie. The waitress staff was very attentive and gave chips and salsa while we were in a holding pattern.
No problems. A quieter venue is really what these kinds of gatherings need to help facilitate discussion where the whole group can participate. Thanks for your efforts.
Not trying to insult or slander anyone Mattie. Servers at Fox and Hound were great, but it was disappointing to feel like we were hassling them to get some space set aside for us that's all. Criticism makes everyone better anyway. They were slammed that night, it happens. I don't hold any grudge against them and honestly I would go back if we could actually guarantee ourselves one of the side rooms. It would have been perfect from that perspective. So it's not like they lost my business just felt they could have had a better evening that night. But where you're slammed sometimes things get missed. I'm not holding any grudges though. My beer was still cold and still beer!
Thanks for taking the time to set up a venue regardless. Better than not having a place to go
Last edited by Trader Joe; 10-15-2012 at 09:57 AM.
I had a lot of fun can talk basketball all day and was fun to meet you all it was a blast cant wait for the next one.
plus the great stories about the ABA days were a pleasure to hear.
On one subject we discussed about a potential Ian Hibbert lineup. I think another thing we will see depending on match ups will be Ian in at C and Roy on the bench depending on how much a team uses PnR. Like I said the reason I loved Ian is his PnR defense and overall defense. I think some games this season if Hibbert is getting exposed in PnR defense like the Heat did to him in the playoffs we will see Ian play many more minutes than normal and it could be with Hibbert at the 4 but I also think at times it will be in favor of Hibbert(depending on how the game is going and how Hibbert is playing on offense).
Yeah, thanks to Dr. Fife for starting up the whole "Ian with Roy" discussion which was one of the few non-player evaluation discussions we had.
For those that weren't there, the idea was how much would we see Ian paired with Roy on the court, if at all. I felt like we would see it in the playoffs and maybe a little in the season. Opinions varied a little bit off of that but no one took an extreme stance for or against the possibility.
Fundamentally the concern would be Ian's fouls, or Roy's for that matter (or his stamina). But Ian could make a physically imposing PF to held with defensive boards following up Roy's shot blocks. And an angle I took was that if you have a lead late then Ian is more of your defensive closer than West is.
The new defenders surrounding Ian might help his foul trouble. While good defensively as a team, individually Dallas was an older team. I didn't watch to much of Dallas last year, but maybe they had more opponents getting to the rim with VC and Kidd out there.
I would be dead set against any lineup that had both Ian and Roy. I'd be shocked if we saw it - there would have to be major injuries and foul trouble for us to see that. And I certainly hope we don't see it. (last thing we need is a slower less athletic lineup)


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In "How To Dramatically Increase Your Job Security For Life," the article suggests managers are more inclined to fire those workers who have nobody to support but themselves. As a result, one should strategically at least hint at the intention of starting a family to protect oneself from unemploymentville. Clearly I'm being somewhat flippant. My goal is to make people realize that relationships and emotion play enormous roles in shaping work success.
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Child raising is estimated to cost anywhere between $250,000 to $1 million from birth to after college. If a family can't even have the discipline to save 20% of their paycheck after contributing to their 401K and IRA, how can one consciously start a family?
A typical person graduates college by 22. If you're really slow, perhaps 25. $250,000 divided by 25 is only $10,000/year in after tax costs to raise your child. If you're in the 25% tax bracket ($68,000-$137,000 income), you'll need to make roughly $13,000 in gross income to net $10,000. Right off the bat, you'll have to save anywhere from 10-20% a year to pay for your child. Sure, for the first 10 years you probably won't be spending $10,000 a year, but what about for the last 15 years with tuition costs and inflation?
Any private college worth attending costs over $40,000 a year. Let's say little Johnny is brilliant and gets a 50% scholarship. That's $20,000 a year right there plus another $15,000 a year for living and school expenses. Even public schools run about $20-$25,000 a year nowadays in tuition and living expenses.
In "Do "C" Students Deserve "A" Lifestyles", the article suggests the government impose restrictions on what certain people can buy based on their average GPA in high school or college. For example, only if you have a 3.7/4.0 or higher in college, are you allowed to buy a BMW. A 3.5 GPA allows you to buy a Honda Accord or cheaper, and those who couldn't even crack 2.5 are restricted to biking or walking.
The idea is that if you were smart enough to get straight "A's" in college, you are smart enough to realize that buying a $5,000 Hermes handbag, and spending more than you make is a sure way to financial ruin. Conversely, if you were dumb enough to not try in school and not realize the importance of education, then it's best to leave the weapons of mass financial destruction out of your hands. Society shouldn't have to bail you out in the end.
As the government continues to infiltrate all our lives, may I suggest a new proposal. Unless your household net worth is over $1 million, no American household is allowed to have a child! OK, so $1 million is likely too high of a hurdle, but you get the idea. Institute minimal financial standards, such as having at least a positive net worth and a declaration of a 10 year financial game plan before a couple can start a family.
Remember, we the people of America voted in the current administration, which means the majority of us support Big Government. I'm just going with the flow here of introducing Big Brother to more aspect of our daily lives because we love the government so much!
Think about all the positives that will come out of this legislation:
1) Population control. We are the #1 user of Earth's natural resources. Curb population growth, decrease our fiscal burden, and let the world live longer.
2) Improved financial health. Those who really want kids will stop messing around and really start saving and working on their finances.
3) Increased care for the child. With a net worth of at least $1 million, there's a lower chance your child will experience neglect due to lack of funds.
4) More well-rounded children. With more resources, a child can take as many art, music, sports lessons as he or she wants. After school tutoring is no problem, neither is a cultural immersion trip overseas.
5) Less divorce and happier parents. Without the strains of money (the #1 item couples argue over), there's less stress for couples. Happier couples mean happier, less trauma-exposed children.
With over 143 MILLION orphans around the world, maybe we should think thrice about having children. Perhaps the Duggars family, with their 18 kids aren't really doing "God's work." Maybe they'd do better adopting 18 children who need help instead.
We all have the right to do whatever we want, but should we? If we aren't willing to help feed or adopt a starving child, at the very least, let's not add another by making sure our financial health is in order first before having our own.
People frequently say there's no right time to have children. That's baloney. The right time to have children is when you have an unwavering desire to care for someone for 18+ years. Your finances are the least of your worries because they're set, and you have a clear plan for child raising. If you have no plan, no money, and no intense desire please don't have children. Figure out how to take care of yourself first.
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