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|March 8, 2013, 04:28 PM
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Massachusetts Handgun law
Hi I just joined TFL today and I am also a fairly new gun owner as well and I live in Massachusetts. My question is regarding the Massachusetts allowed firearm list. If I were to go out of state and buy a new firearm not on the allowed list would it then be illegal to own in MA ? I would love to buy a Kimber but its not on the list because of what I assume is the trigger pull. Would I have to buy a used one out of state in order for it to be legal ? Any help would be appreciated. I have looked online for answers but one site seems to contradict another.
|March 8, 2013, 04:31 PM
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Simple answer is that you CANNOT legally go outside of MA to buy a handgun period. By federal law, all handgun transfers have to take place in the state of legal residence of the purchaser. If the handgun crosses state lines then that transfer also has to go through an FLL in the state of the purchaser's residence.
|March 8, 2013, 05:55 PM
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So I couldnt walk into a cabelas etc out of state and buy a handgun and have it sent to a licensed dealer back here in MA ?
|March 8, 2013, 06:10 PM
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But you also need to be sure that the handgun you buy is one that's legal to own in Massachusetts. An FFL in MA won't release it to you if it's not on the approved list.
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|March 8, 2013, 06:19 PM
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Vanya Thank You ! Thats what I wanted to know. I was a little confused by Doyles terminology. So the only way I can get a firearm not on the allowed MA list is if it was made before the ban correct ?
|March 8, 2013, 06:53 PM
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I believe that's correct -- if, and only if, you have a Class A license to carry. Note that this applies only to "large capacity weapons" as defined in MA -- some other classes of handguns , such as cheap "Saturday Night Specials" that don't meet certain testing standards, are illegal to transfer at all.
But it's been a while since I lived in Mass., and you'd do better to consult an attorney familiar with firearms laws, or possibly the State Police, which is basically the regulatory authority. Or you could ask a Mass. FFL, since they do have to know what's legal or not. Don't take my word for it.
As I said, advice you get via the internet is worth what you pay for it.
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|March 8, 2013, 07:18 PM
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And, of course, welcome to The Firing Line, Arcfault!
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|March 8, 2013, 08:57 PM
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Welcome to TFL. There is another way you can leagally get a gun that is not on the list. You could move to a state that would allow the gun you want. I know it is easier said than done, but it is doable.
|March 8, 2013, 09:30 PM
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Depending on where in MA, you would not even have to move far... NH and VT are reasonably friendly.
|March 8, 2013, 09:54 PM
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Welcome, Arcfault.
I'm afraid I don't know much about Massachusetts gun laws. But since we're a non-commercial forum I have no qualms about suggesting you check out Northeastshooters.com: New England's Premier Shooting forum..
Since the focus on that board is New England, you just might find a knowledgeable Massachusetts resident or two. You might also get directed towards a Massachusetts RKBA (Right to Keep and Bear Arms) advocacy organization which could be helpful.
"It is long been a principle of ours that one is no more armed because he has possession of a firearm than he is a musician because he owns a piano. There is no point in having a gun if you are not capable of using it skillfully." -- Jeff Cooper
|March 8, 2013, 10:24 PM
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Thanks for all the advice. I now at least have a starting point to figure out my options.
|March 8, 2013, 10:55 PM
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Something else that hasn't been mentioned, and I may have this a little off, so the actual lawyers may have to jump in and correct me but it's my understanding that it's illegal to buy a gun that's not legal to own in your own jurisdiction? So if you bought one that's illegal in your home town, and have it mailed there, not only can the FFL not release it to you, you could in theory have committed a crime, though prosecution chances could be exceptionally slim.
|March 9, 2013, 07:21 AM
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In addition to the EOPS Roster, which is available on-line, Massachusetts also has the Attorney General's "double secret probation list" which includes guns that are banned because they don't satisfy certain "consumer protection" requirements such as weight of trigger pull and the like. Unfortunately, that list isn't published so dealers are left to twist in the wind wondering if they're running afoul of some sort of Star Chamber run by an out-of-control AG. In fairness to the current AG, Martha Coakley, she's not the one that started this absurd abuse of power - that was Tom Reilly the prior AG - but Martha hasn't changed things either.
Yes, Massachusetts is a looney bin and no place for a gun owner. I know, I lived there for about 50 years. Take MLeake's advice and move to NH. I did.
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|March 9, 2013, 03:22 PM
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Yup. As another MA resident, the "Approved" gun roster sucks horribly. There's even a SECRET list the Attorney General has that's rumored, because guns that have been sold legally have been kiboshed by the AG, telling stores to take them back because they don't fit the bill.
I need to move to New Hampshire too, ugh. Once I'm done with college (again) because I don't want to pay out of state tuition.
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|March 10, 2013, 06:52 PM
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Another Massachusetts native here, I can relate with how much the damn roster sucks.
As others said, if you want to buy a handgun out of state that IS on the list, it must be shipped to an FFL in Massachusetts. Now make sure that particular gun does or does not have Mass. approved or Cali approved versions. These guns have been altered to be legally sold in Mass, one example is the Seecamp which had an external saftey added so it could be sold in Mass or Cali.
Rifles and shotguns on the other hand can be bought out of state and driven over state lines. Although High capacity mags can not even if you have a Class A Unrestricted which enables you to own large capacity magazines. Any high capacity magazines in Massachusetts must be pre-ban. Want pre-ban mags for your pistol? There is a good supply of pre ban 15rd Beretta 92 mags floating around mass that pop up every now and then. I own three pre ban 15rd Beretta mags as well as a couple pre ban 20rd M1A mags.
I plan to move out of state eventually so I have a whole bunch of high cap mags for various guns stashed at my sisters in Connecticut that I cant have here.
|March 10, 2013, 07:32 PM
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"It is long been a principle of ours that one is no more armed because he has possession of a firearm than he is a musician because he owns a piano. There is no point in having a gun if you are not capable of using it skillfully." -- Jeff Cooper
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A female lemur carries her newborn to a new nest site in her mouth.
Some of you may have noticed that the area around the rhinos has been blocked off lately and wondered what was going on. Well, we've been introducing our rhinos to each other and the less people around watching, the better. They're very nervous about meeting each other. Try to imagine 100 people watching you on a first date... Probably wouldn't be your idea of a good first impression.
The introductions themselves are difficult situations. We try to be in the best positions possible to assist when a rhino is in need. That being said, it's kind of hard to convince a 2600 pound dude that he needs to back off and give the girl he has obsessed over a break. Typically the rhinos meet in the larger of the two yards and have access to our off exhibit yard and the entire building. This allows us to create a loop for the rhinos to run through and a chance to separate them if needed. To aid us in the separation process we have fire extinguishers that give a cold blast of air to distract the rhinos. While they are distracted, a door shuts between the rhinos and gives them a break when they need it.
The introductions have mostly followed the same basic routine. Doppsee (our female) stands at the front of the exhibit and stares Jello (our male) down. Jello being the girl-crazed teenager he is doesn't really get the hint and tries to creep closer. When he gets too close for comfort, Doppsee will give a loud roar and bluff charge or give him a swipe of her horn. Jello is generally undeterred. He continuously approaches with the same results. I like to compare him to the old Pepe Le Pew cartoons. No matter how badly he gets shot down, Jello just keeps slowly making his way towards her, completely convinced that she will love him eventually. Sometimes after repeated failed attempts, Jello gets frustrated and will charge back, and they'll spar by crashing their horns together. This is quite typical for rhino intros.
Overall the introductions have gone alright but have not progressed as quickly as we would've liked. If there is one thing that I've learned from working with animals, it's that patience is a must. There is no way we can make two rhinos get along. The goal for this is that they'll be more comfortable together when she is ready to breed. Doppsee is turning 5 this summer and that's at the early end of breeding. We have no need to rush anything. Thanks for being understanding as we try to play rhino matchmaker - and just think - if this is successful, it's only 15 short months until a baby would be born...

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Lipscomb University's John C. Hutcheson Gallery presents:
a closing reception for
Selections from the Permanent Collection
Oct. 3, 5-7 p.m.
John C. Hutcheson Gallery, James D. Hughes Center
|"Winter Forest" by Nikolai N. Galakhov
|"The Ballet Shoes" by Hongnain Zhang
|"Thoughtful" by Arsen Kurbanov
Throughout September, Lipscomb University's Art Department presented Selections from the Permanent Collection, featuring works from the recently donated Mary Elbert Taylor Art Collection, a collection of more than 100 works donated by Dr. Dean Taylor, in the John C. Hutcheson Gallery.
Taylor, a former pathologist at Nashville's Centennial Medical Center donated the paintings to the College of Arts and Sciences in memory of his late wife, Mary Elbert Taylor. Recently featured in the Nashville Arts Magazine, the Taylor Art Collection is valued at more than $275,000 and is comprised of pieces his wife assembled over a span of nearly a decade.
It includes 20th-century Russian paintings influenced by the culture of during the Post-Bolshevik era and notable American artworks including Nashville artists.
The Hutcheson exhibit includes works by Andrei Bogachev, Nikolai N. Galakhov, Timur Akhriev, Arsen Kurbanov and Anna Jaap.


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ANAHEIM -- Orioles top pitching prospect Dylan Bundy turned in his best outing of the season on Tuesday, tossing six scoreless innings for Class A Advanced Frederick.
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As I perused the vendor's sales book I came upon the Other States wine category that I had somehow overlooked in the past. Oh boy, I had a chance to continue to expand my knowledge and experience by requesting samples of the Biltmore Estate wines of North Carolina. The portfolio included two sparkling wines, a Blanc de Blanc and Blanc de Noir, and two blends, Century Red and Century White.
When the attractively etched sample bottles of the latter arrived it turned out that the wines had been vinted and bottled in Hopland (in Medoncino County). A little research revealed that while the NC Biltmore Winery (opened in 1985) produces some outstanding wines from their own vineyards, the quantity is simply insufficient to meet demand. So 75 to 85percent of production results from long-standing California grower and winery relationships encompassing more than 20 West Coast vineyards.
Arroyo Seco supplies the Riesling, Pinot Grigio and Sauvignon Blanc while other grapes are sourced from Sonoma's Russian River Valley (Chardonnay and Pinot Noir), Napa's Del Bondio and Miner wineries and Mendocino's Wiebel.
Because of the hands-on nature of sparkling, that wine is finished at the winery in North Carolina, but sourced from Russian River.
The Century White 2011 ($12.50, 12.5percent alcohol) is a blend of Riesling, Gewurztraminer and Muscat which, when blessed with a lovely touch of residual sugar (you may recall that I firmly believe a bit of refreshing sweetness is a definite attribute in food and wine pairing), proved a delicious and pretty companion to every element of the wife's sweet-and-sour chicken, including pineapple, rice, sweet sauce and bacon bits.
The Century Red 2010 ($12.50, 14.1) is a blend of Sangiovese and Merlot that achieved bright, tasty combo status with a sausage spaghetti on the first go-round and then achieved recommendation with a rather spicy beef, carrot, mushroom and broccoli stir fry. The partial bottle of wine held up nicely overnight and earned the kudos bright and delish with a breaded fried chicken breast on night two.
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For all these companies, their thought leadership is their corporate identity, and it carries the day for both the retailers that stock them and the consumers who purchase them. These organizations understand on a very instinctual level how to connect and engage on both an emotional and functional level. They have found a way to capture the heart of the consumer and the retailer—and it is personal.
The growth catalysts in any industry accumulate, reflect on and incorporate keen insights into the dynamics of their business, while staying in a passionate dialogue with their core customers. They essentially nurture a monogamous bond with their valued customers. In a word, they are in covenant with their most valued strategic customers.
Growth catalysts also set the tone and the rules of engagement for all competitors. These leaders often are not in the mainstream; they frequently are characterized as before their time, and often operate in a constant state of innovation. They also engage their customers at the highest level, allowing for optimal brand development.
I recently sat down and interviewed a number of the top merchandising executives with many of the leading retailers in America. During these interviews, I gained unique insights into the best practices and blind spots that many top sales and marketing executives are not aware of when they engage their customers. One quote from a senior drug executive framed it for me when they stated, "way too many executives are flying blind to my needs, my motives and how I do business." Let me share three of the unique blind spots uncovered during my research and the long-term implications of not addressing them.
Blind spot No. 1: 100% of the leading merchandising executives interviewed stated that many senior sales and marketing leaders don't really understand the retailers' goals, how they do business and why their strategies are important to them. In other words, many executives don't understand the customer's boardroom priorities, and are not fully engaging the strategic priorities on their mind. Many executives focus too much time prescribing solutions versus understanding their customers' context and areas of corporate dissatisfaction. When this occurs, manufacturers are not as aligned as they think, leaving valuable business opportunities on the table and not advancing to the role of adviser.
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A season of mermaids, butterflies, fairies and fiends
For immediate release - 27 June 2012
Northern Ballet starts a new season in its home city of Leeds with the UK première of David Nixon's Ondine, which will be performed at West Yorkshire Playhouse from 8 to 15 September. This is a rare treat for classical ballet fans as the heartbreaking story is seldom performed outside of London.
Artistic Director, David Nixon OBE, originally adapted this traditional favourite for Ballet du Rhin in 2005. It tells the story of a doomed romance between a beautiful mermaid and a handsome nobleman. Despite being raised by humans, Ondine retains the mysticism of her kind. When she falls deeply in love with a mortal, Brand, she is transformed from a water nymph to a woman. In time Brand grows fearful of the otherworldly creature he has married and finds himself drawn to a previous love, but he knows that should he break their bond a watery grave will seek him out.
The production features the original music of Hans Werner Henze. The stunning sets and costumes are created by Jérôme Kaplan.
The season continues with another chance to see David Nixon's Madame Butterfly, at Sheffield Lyceum Theatre from 18 to 22 September, Manchester Palace Theatre from 25 to 29 September and Nottingham Theatre Royal from 9 to 13 October.
Madame Butterfly was Nixon's debut work for Northern Ballet, when he joined as Artistic Director in 2001. Innocence, love and betrayal unfold in the picturesque gardens of a Japanese house, when Butterfly is deserted by handsome American, Lieutenant Pinkerton. East meets west in this tragic tale, which blends classical ballet with Japanese-style dancing and Puccini's beautiful score, played live by the Northern Ballet Sinfonia, is interspersed with traditional Japanese music.
Following a hugely successful spring tour, Beauty & the Beast, will be performed at a further six venues including Norwich Theatre Royal from 2 to 6 October, Bradford Alhambra Theatre from 24 to 27 October, Woking New Victoria Theatre from 30 October to 3 November, Canterbury Marlowe Theatre from 6 to 10 November, Aylesbury Waterside Theatre from 13 to 17 November and Bath Theatre Royal from 27 November to 1 December.
Beauty & the Beast tells the story of a young prince who is magically transformed into a beast and cursed to live alone in his castle until the enchantment is broken by the sacrifice of true love. Audiences will be transported into an enchanting world of colour, inhabited by fairies, goblins and sprites, with an elaborate mirrored set from Duncan Hayler and haute couture-style costumes designed by David Nixon. The show is accompanied by an infectious score from Saint-Säens, Bizet, Debussy and Glazunov, played live by the Northern Ballet Sinfonia.
Finally, Northern Ballet returns home to Leeds for Christmas with The Nutcracker – a festive institution and one of Northern Ballet's most popular ballets. The production will be performed at Leeds Grand Theatre from 18 to 30 December. It tells the story of Clara's Christmas Eve adventure as she is swept away by her Nutcracker Prince to a magical winter wonderland of dancing snowflakes and the famous Sugar Plum Fairy. The production is performed to Tchaikovsky's enduring score played live by Northern Ballet Sinfonia.
Northern Ballet is one of the UK's favourite ballet companies and has carved a unique place in the cultural landscape. Renowned for its full-length narrative productions which embrace popular culture and take inspiration from literature, opera, or give a unique interpretation of classical ballets, the Leeds-based company is committed to extensive and regular touring throughout the UK and overseas, developing new audiences for dance.
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Summer fruit season often is a time for bounty, and the tropical fruit category can provide a boost during that season, says Marc Holbik, vice president of business development for Miami-based Ecoripe Tropicals.
"We don't consider our tropicals as competing as much with summertime and homegrown fruits as they are filling a need of consumers who are originally from the tropics looking to purchase the fruits and vegetables they love," Holbik said.
Apples and oranges
That demand lays a foundation for tropical programs to grow and provides an opportunity for new consumers who are not as accustomed to tropicals to give them a try, Holbik said.
Tropicals don't really "compete" with other fruits anyway, said Charlie Eagle, vice president of business development for Pompano Beach, Fla.-based Southern Specialties.
"It's like comparing asparagus and mangoes — they're really so totally different," Eagle said.
He did say, however, that summer sales of tropical fruits have been brisk.
"We have a customer base that depends on us for those products, and we try to work closely with them to make sure they're supplied year round," he said.
Some tropical items are an ideal fit with summer, said Michael Castagnetto, strategic category manager at C.H. Robinson Worldwide, based in Eden Prairie, Minn.
"Mangoes and avocados are major summer items," he said.
Castagnetto said Mexican mangoes and California avocados are peaking during the summer months.
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Competition heats up
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"We have to, to some extent, because we're bringing in product — in the instance of mangoes, from all producing countries," he said.
Marketing efforts have to have an educational component that helps customers know the difference between, for example, a Tommy Atkins mango and a Haden.
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Tropicals are not a tough sell in the summer, said Mary Ostlund, marketing director at Homestead, Fla.-based Brooks Tropicals Inc.
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Mangoes feel the heat of competition from other summer fruits, but they have weathered challenges, said Gary Clevenger, managing member and co-founder of Oxnard, Calif.-based Freska Produce International LLC.
"Mangoes have become a main item with most retailers — some more visible than others but nonetheless an item that is purchased weekly," he said.
Papayas still are trying to fight their way out of the niche category, but they're making progress, said Michael Warren, chief executive officer of Pompano Beach-based Central American Produce.
"It's catching on, and we see some increased demands in the future," he said.
Many tropical fruits, though available year round, hit their flavor peaks in the summer, said Tristan Simpson, marketing and corporate communications director at Ready Pac Foods Inc., Irwindale, Calif.
"During the summer, many imported fruits move to domestic distributors due to more favorable growing conditions," she said.
Fruits become riper and more affordable through this process, so the category takes a substantial upswing during summer months, Simpson said.
"Because of the summertime seasonality, the challenge for fruit manufacturers is in creating applicable meal occasions while using seasonally fitting varieties during colder months," she said.


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OAKLAND — The A's are going from a guy who threw like a Cy Young winner to a guy who's already won the Cy Young.
To say that things don't get easier for Oakland in the wake of a 3-2 loss to Detroit's Max Scherzer in Friday's Game 1 of the American League Division Series is like saying water is wet.
Justin Verlander is next up Saturday at 6:07 p.m. at the Coliseum, and the 2011 Cy Young winner was pretty much the reason why the Tigers beat the A's in the ALDS last year. He threw 16 innings and allowed one run.
"Scherzer had Cy Young stuff tonight," third baseman Josh Donaldson said. "He had a fastball from 93 to 99 (mph) and a changeup he could throw at will."
The A's saw Scherzer six weeks ago in Motown and ran him out of the game after five innings, having scored six times.
"This was two different pitchers," Donaldson said. "Unlike the other game, we didn't get anybody on base. When you do, you can make things happen, even when the guy is throwing great. Tonight that didn't happen."
So A's rookie Sonny Gray, who has never faced the Tigers before, much less pitched in the postseason, is charged Saturday with the task of doing what Bartolo Colon couldn't quite do Friday and keep the Tigers offense from jumping out early. Detroit got three runs in the first inning off Colon, who hadn't allowed three in the first all year.
That was all it took. Yoenis Cespedes hit a two-run homer in the seventh, but the A's got just one more base runner after that.
Does anything change for Gray, whose biggest start before this, he says, was Vanderbilt's first game in the College World Series a couple years ago?
"I have to approach it the same, no matter," Gray said. "So, no (nothing changes)."
Something has to change for the A's, who got just three hits and who struck out 16 times and walked just three, all of them from leadoff man Coco Crisp.
"It is what it is," Crisp said. "It's unfortunate. We almost pulled it off. We just need to let this one go and start worrying about Mr. Verlander."
That the A's came back at all was thanks to Cespedes, who tripled in his first at-bat and homered in his third, both of them lasers to left field off Scherzer. He was happy that his troublesome right shoulder held together, but he was subdued beyond that.
"This is not just about me," Cespedes said. "It depends on the team. I was good today, but the rest of the team will be good tomorrow."
The A's had better hope so.
Buoyed by the largest crowd to see a baseball game in the Coliseum since 2004 — 48,401 — the A's limped for six innings before Cespedes struck in the seventh. In the eighth, Crisp walked with one out, but Jed Lowrie struck out and Donaldson popped out. Then in the ninth, Detroit closer Joaquin Benoit struck out Brandon Moss, Cespedes and Josh Reddick to close it out.
Colon had allowed only 10 runs in the first inning all year, just two in the first inning of his September starts. But he gave up a double to leadoff hitter Austin Jackson on a high fastball, then hit Torii Hunter with a pitch after having not hit a batter all season.
Miguel Cabrera singled and Prince Fielder hit into a double play, each man getting a run home. When Alex Avila got a single past Daric Barton at first base, the A's were in a huge hole.
"The Cabrera ball was on a good pitch," catcher Steven Vogt said. "But Bartolo got a couple of balls up in the inning, and that almost never happens."
Enter Verlander. And Gray.
"This team has been good at putting games like this behind us," Reddick said. "We need to do it again."
For more on the A's, see John Hickey's Insider at blogs.ibabuzz.com/athletics. Follow him on Twitter at twitter.com/JHickey3.
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The above photo was from a show I played in Zaandam, The Netherlands in January. I was on stage and at the time those things were shooting right past my eyes as I was setting up to make noise. When I read the following story I got on my knees and thanked god I still have my vision:
Dozens of partygoers at an outdoor rave near Moscow have been partially blinded after a laser light show burned their retinas, say Russian health officials.
Moscow city health department officials say that 12 cases of laser blindness were recorded at the Central Ophthalmological Clinic in the city. The daily newspaper Kommersant reports that another 17 victims have registered at another hospital in the centre of the capital. – newscientist.com
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Oh, brother.
That woeful, resigned refrain, which once served as code to a segment of regional sports fans, echoes again Friday.
Bruce Miller — known as "Bronco Bruce'' to fans of a bygone era, the unmistakeable voice of Tulane athletics — will be memorialized Friday in New Orleans. Miller, who broadcast Green Wave football from 1959 through 1975, then came back for a couple of seasons afterward, died March 27 after a heart attack. He was 81.
He also was part of the Saints' broadcast team, host of sports-talk shows at WWL-AM and WGSO-AM and was the sports anchor at WDSU-TV, but he left a deep imprint on Tulane sports.
"To say he was one of a kind would be an understatement,'' said Angus Lind, a retired newspaper columnist and Tulane devotee. "He was more entertaining than a lot of comedians.''
Over the airways, Miller spoke cryptically in a stream-of-consciousness lingo and phraseology seemingly only for Greenies to cipher.
"Man alive!'' was generally reserved for positive plays. "Oh, brother'!' was his most frequently used expression, serving for a variety of situations — a few good, most not so much. "Hold the phone!'' became synonymous with late penalty flags, fumbles, dropped passes, interceptions, touchdowns called back and other assorted disasters.
There was also "Holy cow,'' which he picked up growing up in Illinois listening to his professional idol, HarryCaray, calling St. Louis Cardinals games.
"Bruce wanted to be like Caray,'' Lind said, "because Caray would say anything. First and foremost, Caray was a fan — and so was Bruce.''
Todd Graffagnini, Tulane's current play-by-play man, and Ken Berthelot, who broadcast Green Wave sports in the 1980s and '90s, noted that Miller left a mark even though the program may have been close to its worse during his 17-year run.
The Green Wave had a cumulative record of 56-107-4 from 1959-75. But in that time, Miller called Tulane's infamous "fifth-down'' defeat to Miami in 1972 — in which Miller had a clear-eyed grasp of what happened, though the officials did not; and the 1973 last-second 24-17 victory against Duke — which Miller always maintained was his high point on the air. Quarterback Steve Foley hit his brother Mike for the winning touchdown with less than 20 seconds to play. "Oh, brother,'' Miller exclaimed with an endearing but awful pun: "Brother to brother.''
But the on-air moment nearest to the hearts of most Tulanians was the night the Green Wave broke LSU's series stranglehold in 1973. With the clock winding down and the deafening noise of the crowd of 86,000 in the backdrop, sidekick Wayne Mack shouted, "The Greenies have the ball and the ballgame!''
Then Miller, described by Lind as in his finest ad-lib free-flow, shouted: "The long, long dry spell, the long hot summers, the long hot winters are over, as the Greenies have broken it. ... Holy cow, as Harry Caray says, Oh, man alive.''
Noted Lind: "He said 'long hot winters' and nobody blinked.''
The game was rebroadcast days later, giving Wave fans (including Lind and Graffagnini) an opportunity to tape it — and each said he still has the recording.
An honest love
There have been few connections more pronounced than Miller on the mike and the Green Wave.
There was an honest love in the voice that carried to the Tulane faithful — something, not words, but in the voice that transcended mere description. With his corny maxims, sometimes tortured phrasing and a no-hiding-his-allegiances commentary, there were those who would charge a lack of professionalism, that he was too close to tell the whole story.
But that criticism is reserved for those who work only for money. It was love that held Miller to the mike, and there was something forgivable about a man you know had a spear piercing his gizzard after a painful moment on the field.
From the start, there was an emotional tie between the school and Miller. He watched Tulane, ravaged by athletic de-emphasis, attempt to compete against a killer schedule. The Wave was not a terrible team; it was terribly over-matched.
The only game he remembered of his first season was a 14-6 defeat to LSU. It took a long run late in the game to put down the Wave. One season before, LSU won 62-0.
He felt a kinship with the coaches, who were fighting a war impossible to win. He emphasized with the program and later admitted, "Tulane became an obsession. Tulane became my wife, my mistress, my home away from home.''
Quite a team
Miller had worked with other analysts, but the Tulane broadcasts began flowering in 1967 when he teamed with Mack, a laconic Irishman with a wry sense of humor. It was Mack who hung the moniker "Bronco Bruce'' on Miller after watching a horse by the same name at the Fair Grounds.
"Respect and kindness is a rarity in this business,'' Miller said. "But the two of us worked at it. There was a mutual respect, and it became very good for me. ... We had a lot of humor, and it was very important to have humor because we had to describe some pretty bad games.''
Some of the time-filling was memorable, too. When Tulane was being blown out by Georgia, the pair got into a discussion on why bulldogs' tails are short and whether they can wag. At a snowy, lopsided game at Rutgers, it was snowflakes, their varied sizes and shapes. On the banks of the Monongahela River at West Virginia, the audience learned it was one of the few in the world that flows south to north — as does the Nile.
The digressions were often as entertaining as the discourse in the heat of battle, such as the 1972 game at Boston College.
Bruce: "The tackle made by Dennis McLeary, No. 66. You know, there's a lot of Irishmen in Boston.''
Wayne: "Oh, yes. You can see the beauty on the streets.''
Bruce: "O'Hagan, McLeary. You know, if Bing Crosby ever comes to this town, he'd never run out of names, would he? Second down and 6.' "
"Seldom a dull moment, even when the games were,'' Graffagnini said. "I sit in that chair in the broadcast booth now, calling Tulane games. But I really feel I'm just filling Bruce Miller's spot.''


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There used to be some guy in the sports media that argued triple doubles are overrated, primarily because it's not difficult to get 10 points and also because the assist category is often force-fed late in games. I was talking to a friend today and he agreed, triple doubles are overrated.
I'd have to disagree. What do you think the all-time win/loss percentage is for games in which a triple-double is recorded? Surely it's very high, like .800 high. Even better, if anyone knows of any way I could find this out myself (without spending hours sifting through historical game logs), that would be even better!


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Shortstop battle likely to continue Down Under
SCOTTSDALE, Ariz. -- It turns out the battle for the job of starting shortstop might not be settled before the D-backs open the 2014 season in Sydney, Australia, after all.
D-backs manager Kirk Gibson said Tuesday that the team would most likely carry both Didi Gregorius and Chris Owings for the March 22-23 series with the Dodgers.
Because the two teams are beginning the season earlier than usual, they will get to have 28-man rosters for the series.
"I think probably we're looking at taking both of them to Australia, along with Penny," Gibson said referring to Cliff Pennington, who figures to back up the shortstop who wins the job. "You look at it in two phases, Australia and beyond. So we're on Australia right now."
The D-backs will reset their roster at 25 for their March 31 re-opener of the regular season.
That is when the D-backs will most likely choose between Gregorius and Owings, with the one who does not win the job ticketed for Triple-A.
Arizona general manager Kevin Towers has said he does not want one of the young shortstops sitting on the bench and would prefer that whoever does not win the job get consistent at-bats in the Minors.
Steve Gilbert is a reporter for MLB.com. Follow him on Twitter @SteveGilbertMLB. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.


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Lefties Howard, Brown power up against southpaws
CLEARWATER, Fla. -- Ryan Howard and Domonic Brown did their best Sunday to further disrupt traffic on the part of U.S. 19 that runs by Bright House Field.
Both left-handed sluggers deposited a home run well over the right-field fence and beyond the confines of the part in the Phillies' 13-5 win over the Blue Jays, showcasing the kind of power that could make them both very dangerous if it carries into the regular season.
Even more encouraging: Their monster blasts came off left-handed pitchers, with Brown taking Toronto's Aaron Loup deep and Howard crushing a 1-0 pitch from Brett Cecil.
"That's a good sign. They've been throwing a lot of left-handers at us, which they always do and they always will," Phillies manager Charlie Manuel said. "Those guys, they've got big power."
Sunday was Howard's ninth straight start, and he'll be back in the lineup Monday against the Pirates. Manuel has been running out the former National League MVP every day to get him back in baseball shape, and it's working. Howard's hitting .417 with three homers, three doubles and 10 RBIs in 24 at-bats.
"He's swinging pretty good," Manuel said. "I think his legs are starting to get under him, starting to get over the soreness, working on getting in shape."
And Manuel is just as happy with Brown, the up-and-down prospect who's looking to stick in the Majors this year. Manuel has spoken often about Brown's more patient approach and the way he's slowed down his mechanics, stayed in a "strong hitting position" and avoided trying to muscle every ball with just his upper body.
"As we've talked about, he's got to get more consistent. So far this spring, he's really looked good, and his swing looks real good," Manuel said. "He's got good balance at the plate. He's catching good angles with his bat out front. That's when he hits the ball to the right side of the diamond, things like that. He looks real good right now."


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How far along are you in "House of Cards"?
Netflix launched its original series last week, posting all 13 episodes online at once on the premise that people like to marathon their way through TV shows rather than wait week to week. As someone on track to watch all 86 episodes of "The Sopranos" in less than two months, I can't argue with the logic.
TV critics and industry types are curious about whether the " Netflix model" will change the way we watch television, but less frequently mentioned is what effect it will have on the way we talk about television. (For simplicity's sake, I'll consider "House of Cards" — about politics at its manipulative worst, starring Kevin Spacey and Robin Wright — to be television, even though it's available only online.)
Because Netflix subscribers can watch "House of Cards" at their own pace, not everyone is on the same page — and that takes away from the conversation, which, I've come to learn, is half the fun of fandom.
I didn't truly appreciate the water cooler aspect until I caught up with "Lost" in the middle of its run, breezing through the first three seasons on DVD before watching the rest week to week like most viewers. There was a whole other world attached to that show — speculation, literary analysis and sometimes very detailed theories on What It All Means. Most of those theories were undone by the next week's episode, but who cares? The conversation continues.
Now let's look at "House of Cards," using The Herald's newsroom as an example. One gung-ho reporter, perhaps appropriately, watched all 13 episodes in the first few days. As of this writing I was about halfway through, my boss had seen two episodes and the page designer was too busy catching up on "Downton Abbey" and other shows to even think about delving into "House of Cards."
My boss and I talked briefly, and in broad strokes, about the show. Then he threw a theory at me — a theory I knew the answer to, being further along and wiser. I shrugged in unconvincing ignorance and the conversation shut down. I could always talk to the reporter, but I'm afraid he'll be as good a liar as I am and spoil something.
Netflix at least recognizes the hurdle. In the first few days after "House of Cards" went up, it tweeted a link to the website Vulture, which was offering a place to talk for people who had already watched the whole shebang. And it tried to limit spoilers on Twitter by imploring viewers to "watch responsibly."
This isn't really a new problem, either, but a continuation of a trend brought on by DVRs and other resources that let people watch shows on their own schedule. According to a recent pilot study by Nielsen, the top 10 broadcast shows are watched live by just 64percent of viewers. Most of the rest catch up within seven days. Because I work nights, I'm one of them.
Have you ever tried to have a conversation with someone like me? "Hey, did you see 'The Office' last night?" "No." Productive.
Naturally, it gets worse the further away from live you get. Herald columnist Peter Funt powered through two seasons of "Homeland" in three days over the holidays, just weeks after the second season had ended. "I rushed into the New Year fully prepped to discuss 'Homeland,'" he wrote, "only to find that those who have seen it are already talked out."
With three new Netflix series on the horizon — and successive seasons of three others, including "House of Cards" — we may just have to get used to watching in a bubble.
Or a peachoid. You'll get the reference by the third episode.
Jeannie Evers can be reached at 646-4348 or email@example.com. Follow her on Twitter @emdashje


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Scott Agness has been tweeting that PG is out with bronchitis and Roy is out citing that he just needs rest. Both will not play tomorrow, with PG being replaced by either Lance or Danny depending on how you look at it and Roy being replaced with Ian.
Vogel also made some comments today about how they're still struggling with the time difference, and GHill said he was up til 5 am this morning with him bying a ninja blender off of the TV. I know I'm just a Pacer PR rep (not really) but traveling that far has had to do some real work to their bodies/internal clocks.


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First up in the new Series 4 lineup is everyone's favorite short-tempered tyrant originally offered as a Previews Exclusive and now part of the main assortment - Admiral Helena Cain. Also familiar to fans is the second figure in the wave, Admiral William Adama - distinguished from his Toys R Us release by the inclusion of his signature mustache. Rounding out the assortment is the debut of Gaius Baltar in his signature Presidential attire as featured in the series' second and third seasons.


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With half the 2012 season finished, Sporting News' network of NFL correspondents asked 103 players from 27 teams everything you want to know about this year in our annual midseason players poll.
As always in our midseason poll, players were not allowed to name their teammates or head coach for any of their answers.
Last spring, Giants CEO John Mara, a member of the NFL's competition committee, said the league was "evolving toward" elimination of the kickoff. But NFL players do not support that potential move. In Sporting News midseason poll, they came out strongly in favor of keeping the kickoff.
Should the kickoff be removed from the game altogether?
Yes: 14
No: 80
"Are you kidding me? No!" —Redskins LB Lorenzo Alexander
"No way should they get rid of kickoffs. Look at what Percy Harvin brings to us with the way he returns kickoffs. There aren't as many returns, but it's an exciting and explosive part of the game, as Percy reminds us often." —Vikings WR Michael Jenkins
"No. It's tradition ... the ball getting kicked, the flashes in the stands. I mean, how do you do away with that? What are they going to do instead? I think they have to keep it." —Bears G Chilo Rachal
"No. I think it's a big part of the game. It needs to be. It's an opportunity for a team to create a big play or to create a turnover. It's just part of football. Football is a dangerous sport, and I understand there's collisions and they worry about it, but the kickoff is part of the game." —Bears S Chris Conte
"No. Kickoffs are part of football. It's like saying we should do away with offense." —Bears TE Kyle Adams
"I just think it should go back to the way the old rules were. I don't think it should be eliminated." —Lions G Rob Sims
"If they are going to keep the kickoff where it is ... yes." —Steelers WR Jerricho Cotchery
—Which big-time college coach would you like to see in the NFL?
—Who is the most underrated head coach?
—Who is the most overrated head coach?
—Which is the best organization in the NFL?
—Which is the worst organization in the NFL?
—Which player has been the biggest disappointment?
—What coach would you most like to play for?
—What coach would you least like to play for?
—Should pass interference become a reviewable play?
—Who is the dirtiest player in the NFL?
—Which rookie QB is going to have the best career?
—Should kickoffs be removed from the game altogether?
—Who is the offensive MVP of the first half?
—Who is the defensive MVP of the first half?
—Who is the most overrated player?
—Would you try to hide concussion symptoms to keep playing?


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DAYTONA BEACH, Fla.—A fan frantically trying to get medical attention called 911 following a Nationwide Series crash Saturday that sent debris into the Daytona International Speedway crowd.
The 911 call was released Monday by the Volusia County Sheriff's Office. The call is of a man who presumably was nearby those hit by debris from Kyle Larson's car in the final lap of the race.
"Listen, we're in Section Zero, Section O, Daytona racetrack, there's two seriously injured people here," the caller said.
"We've been calling for paramedics and nobody has showed up. There has been a crash and these people are really serious. Sprint Tower, Section Zero, Row 30. We need help. Big time. Quick."
The 911 operator told the man that paramedics were on their way.
Seven fans remain hospitalized from the accident, which sent at least 14 people to the hospital and injured more than a dozen others.
Larson's car was t-boned by two others, got airborne and had the entire front of his car torn off when it hit the catchfence.
Larson's engine and one of his wheels stopped along the spectator side of the catchfence. But one wheel with suspension still attached made it into the stands, as did several smaller pieces of the car and possible fencing.
The car hit in an area of the fence that can be taken out to allow fans and officials to go from the stands to the racetrack before the race.


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Tick Removal
How do I remove an embedded tick?
The transmission of diseases from an infected tick is unlikely to occur before several hours of tick attachment. For this reason, daily checks for ticks and promptly removing any attached tick that you find will help prevent infection. Embedded ticks should be removed using fine-tipped tweezers. DO NOT use petroleum jelly, a hot match, nail polish, or other products. With a steady motion, pull the tick's body away from the skin. Cleanse the area with an antiseptic.
To remove attached ticks, use the following procedure:
- Use fine-tipped tweezers or shield your fingers with a tissue, paper towel, or rubber gloves, when removing the tick; otherwise infectious agents may enter through mucous membranes and breaks in the skin.
- Grasp the tick as close to the skin surface as possible and pull upward with steady, even pressure.
- DO NOT twist or jerk the tick; this may cause the mouthparts to break off and remain in the skin.
- DO NOT squeeze, crush, or puncture the body of the tick because its fluids may contain infectious organisms.
- After removing the tick, thoroughly disinfect the bite site and wash your hands with soap and water.
- Bring the tick to the Health Department for free Tick Identification Service.


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Submit Nominations for Human Rights Awards by March 18
Fairfax County Office of Public Affairs
12000 Government Center Parkway, Suite 551
Fairfax, VA 22035-0065
Contact: Merni Fitzgerald, Director of Public Affairs
703-324-3187, TTY 711, Fax 703-324-2010
Media Pager: 703-324-NEWS (6397)
Feb. 7, 2008
Submit Nominations for Human Rights Awards by March 18
The Fairfax County Human Rights Commission is accepting nominations for its 30th annual Human Rights Awards until Tuesday, March 18. The awards recognize individuals, nonprofits or businesses that advanced human rights in Fairfax County in 2007.
To get a nomination form, call 703-324-2953, TTY 703-324-2900. Nominations can be submitted by e-mail to email@example.com; by fax to 703-324-3570; or by mail to the Human Rights Commission, 12000 Government Center Parkway, Suite 318, Fairfax, VA 22035-0093.
Nominees should demonstrate accomplishments to eliminate discrimination on the basis of race, color, sex, religion, national origin, marital status, age or disability in the areas of employment, housing, public accommodations, private education and credit. These accomplishments can be a single significant action, long-term activities or corporate equality programs of an extensive and outstanding nature.
The 2007 award recipients, as well as previous years' winners, will be honored at a banquet on May 6. Recipients of the 2006 award were: Frank Palmer, Greenspring Volunteer Program; Fatima Miller and Neel Ellis, Rolling Productions Inc.; and the Northern Virginia Long-Term Care Ombudsman Program.
The Human Rights Commission was established in 1974 by the Fairfax County Board of Supervisors to eliminate discrimination on the basis of race, color, sex, religion, national origin, marital status, age or disability in the areas of housing, public accommodations, employment, private education and credit.
For more information or a nomination form, contact the Human Rights Commission at 703-324-2953, TTY 703-324-2900, or by e-mail to email@example.com.


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Justin Bieber is used to being hunted by fans and paparazzi -- but not hitmen.
Don't worry: No one was killed because the alleged murder plot was foiled by police, but the details are graphic.
Three men are accused of plotting to kill the pop star after he played a sold out show at Madison Square Garden in New York in November, reports HLN affiliate KRQE.
The alleged mastermind is Dana Martin, a man serving time in a New Mexico prison for raping and killing a 15-year-old girl in Vermont in 2000.
Police say this wildly out-of-control Bieber fever began when Martin recruited Mark Staake and his nephew Tanner Ruane -- while in prison -- to kill Bieber when they were released.
Martin allegedly asked the duo to go to Vermont to take out two of his acquaintances first with some very strict orders: They were allegedly ordered to strangle the victims with a paisley tie, the kind Martin used as a calling card, and Ruana was tasked with castrating the victims.
Investigators say Bieber was the next target, but Staake was arrested in Vermont on outstanding warrants before carrying out any of the killings.
Police also recorded phone calls where Ruane tells Martin he's disappointed he couldn't carry out the murders.
Martin allegedly blew the whistle and foiled the plot he cooked up to kill his obsession. Apparently, Martin is so fixated on Bieber that he reportedly has a tattoo of the superstar on his leg. Staake and Ruane are in custody in Vermont and New York.
Beiber's representative told HLN, "We take every precaution to protect and insure the safety of Justin and his fans."


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Chic and trendy, the four star Rilano Hotel Munich is a business friendly hotel on Munich's Northern suburb known as Schwabing. It is located halfway between the Olympic park and the English garden, easily accessible from the autobahn, and with plenty of parking.
The hotel features a restaurant, coffee shop, a bar/lounge, and a 24 hour business center. All rooms are air conditioned with the upper floors offering views of the alps. Each room has a flat panel TV, wireless and wired internet access, and even complimentary newspapers.Multilingual staff, a concierge desk, and a rooftop terrace make this entirely smoke free property a pleasure to stay at the Rilano Hotel


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Strength training can be a beneficial part of any training plan, if it is executed properly in both method and timing. In multisport training schedules, it can often be difficult to determine the best place to insert the workout, due to the hours already dedicated to the two, or three, core sports. It has to be challenging, yet still adjust intensity based on the periodization, or phase, of the entire training plan. I have found that Mondays tend to be the best days for my gym visits, and I can look forward to that workout being the singular thing I do for training that day. It's the workout that starts my week, and it affects how the rest of the week will play out.
Proper nutrition is absolutely essential to your training, especially in this case where the workouts may come after a weekend schedule of long training sessions or doubled up workouts such as "bricks". If you're lacking in proper recovery nutrition, it will show up in the following days as Delayed Onset Muscle Soreness (D.O.M.S.). D.O.M.S has the ability to sabotage your workouts due to soreness experienced in the days following hard efforts. It's a snowball effect that can derail the rest of your week, and over time, your mechanical function and performance improvements.
Different gyms will offer you different equipment options in which to perform your workouts. Maybe you have a home-gym setup, use a community center, private gym or national chain. The better equipped it is, the more you targeted your resistance training can be. My workouts have taken place in both well-equipped community centers and national chain clubs. The investment in equipment options and maintenance of the equipment is worth it to me. I'll point out some of the exercises that I've found make a difference for my performance. Hygiene note: Be sure to wipe down the equipment after you complete your set of repetitions, especially if you're working on other machines during multiple sets. Nobody should have to clean up after you, nor should you after somebody else.
Stretching and Core Work
Let's not forget that long relaxed muscles and a strong core are a foundation for preventing injuries, being mechanically efficient and decreased recovery time. If you can spend the first 15-20 minutes of your gym routine stretching and working on your core muscles, your body will likely respond better for it. I like to use a combination of yoga stretches, core work on the Swiss ball and foam rolling. There are a lot of resources out there for Swiss ball exercises. I would recommend getting instruction from a qualified yoga instructor on proper technique and form. I would also seek a knowledgeable person – perhaps a friend who's a physical therapist – to instruct you on foam rolling. Ask other athletes if they know of coaches or experts in that area. You might start to love the foam roller as much as I do!
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I'm Happy to Sacrifice James Bond to the Gods of Change
Ultimately, I think it might just not be permissible to make an old-school Bond movie in today's social climate. A movie where women are objects of desire, men are either baddies or assistants, and emotions are drowned out by gunfire and martinis. It's sad, because in my eyes Bond is harmless male fantasy, nothing sinister or threatening. I hope the tempering of the franchise's escapist edge is just down to the whim of a certain group of sensitive filmmakers.


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Fire Safety
2nd Grade, Research and Inquiry Activities
2. Click on Home Fire Safety, located on the right of the page.
3. Click on Start to begin the online tutorial on home fire safety.
4. When you have finished the tutorial, take the online quiz.
5. Click on Print to print out your score.
For additional information on fire safety go to http://www.dos.state.ny.us/kidsroom/firesafe/escape.html


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In so many ways, TV has never been better. The shows are amazing. The options are almost dizzying. And the way you watch has evolved with apps. Apps give you control over what, when, and where you want to watch. But something happened as we marched into this exciting new era. The overall TV experience got left behind. Apple TV simplifies it all. It's designed for you to easily navigate and, most importantly, fully enjoy this new world of video apps. Apple TV is all you need for the way you watch today.
Entertainment AppsApps. How you watch television today.
Apps have liberated television, letting you choose precisely what and when you want to watch. Apps like Netflix, MUBI, Hopster, and Red Bull give you access to everything that entertains you — from blockbuster movies to breaking news and weather. There are also shows for kids, live music events, concerts, podcasts, and more.
With so many video apps to choose from, you'll never say there's nothing on TV again.
Apple TV RemoteTV was controlled by buttons. Now it's controlled by Touch.
The Apple TV Remote has a precise Touch surface, so you can use your thumb to quickly and accurately navigate around your television screen. You can also control the volume on your TV or A/V receiver. And thanks to Bluetooth, you don't have to point your remote at your TV. Apple TV picks up your commands from anywhere in the room.
Games and MoreThere's more to TV than just watching TV.
Conquer alien planets right from your couch. Use your rug as a yoga mat. Or go house hunting in your pajamas. Apple TV brings you completely new experiences made just for the living room.
Your MusicApple Music in the house.
Listen to songs from the vast Apple Music catalog and your complete personal music collection on the best speakers in the house. Watch original shows, movies, and content you won't find anywhere else. Bring the world of music to your living room with Beats 1 radio. And DJ it all with just your voice and the Apple TV Remote.1
Your Photos and VideosPut everyone you know on television.
Easily view photos and videos from your iCloud Photo Library and shared albums on your Apple TV. The Memories feature in iOS 10 automatically finds recent photos and videos — even those you haven't seen or thought about for a while — and creates beautiful collections you can show off on the big screen. It's a great way to turn life's best moments into the life of the party.
Control your big screen from your small screen.
Download the Apple TV Remote app and you'll have full control of your Apple TV from your iPhone or iPod touch. Search for movies or music. Enter text with the keyboard or navigate by touch and gesture. Or play games that take advantage of the accelerometer and gyroscope.Learn more in the App Store
AirPlay lets you share photos, presentations, websites, and more.
With AirPlay, you can wirelessly stream whatever's on the screen of your iPad, iPhone, iPod touch, or Mac to your TV. It's an easy way for you or your guests to share photos, web pages, and Keynote presentations in dramatic, big-screen fashion.


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Medela EZ Briefs
Item #: EZ Briefs
Highly elastic, made of 91% stretch polyester or nylon and 9% spandex form-fitting briefs for securing dressings and absorbent pads. Open knit allows air to circulate freely to sensitive and fragile skin. For initial customer size information use the guideline listed in Specs tab.


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Health Services
Medical Care: Health Information and Health Insurance
For your protection and easy transition to UIS, please complete and have signed by your health care provider all required immunization and health records.
Upon arrival at UIS, you are required to receive a tuberculosis screening test at UIS Health Services; this test should not be done in your home country.
Major medical expenses are very costly and health insurance coverage is mandatory at UIS. However, student insurance will not cover the cost of eye examinations, glasses or dental work. It is therefore advisable that you obtain this health care at home, before your departure. Consider bringing an extra pair of eye glasses or contact lenses, and the original optometric prescription in case of damage or loss.
F-1 Visa students: International students are eligible for UIS student group health insurance and an insurance fee will be assessed at registration. Family coverage, as well as maternity benefit coverage, may be purchased at additional cost.
J-1 Visa students: The U.S. information Agency (USIA) requires that all persons in J status have adequate health insurance while in United States. Mandatory minimum coverage shall provide: medical benefits of at least $50,000 per accident or illness; repatriation of remains in the amount of $7,500; expenses associated with the medical evacuation of the exchange visitor to his/her home country in the amount of $10,000; and a deductible not to exceed $500 per accident or illness.
UIS student group health insurance does not meet all USIA requirements and J Visa students are required to purchase individual health coverage policies; information and application forms are available in the Office of International Programs.


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Molina, Garcia undergo successful surgeries
MILWAUKEE -- Catcher Yadier Molina and pitcher Jaime Garcia each underwent successful surgery for their respective injuries, general manager John Mozeliak said before Friday night's game at Milwaukee.
Molina had surgery to repair a torn ligament in his right thumb he sustained on a feet-first slide into third base in the second inning of the Cardinals' 5-2 victory over Pittsburgh on Wednesday.
Garcia, who was transferred to the 60-day disabled list on Friday, had surgery to remove a rib on his left side to address symptoms associated with thoracic outlet syndrome, the same surgery that Chris Carpenter underwent in 2012.
"They all went well," Mozeliak said. "In Yadi's case, he obviously did need it. It was completely torn. Therefore, the recovery time is still what we talked about the other day, eight to 12 weeks, we'll see where that goes. In Jaime Garcia's case, the doctor also felt this was a surgery that needed to happen. Went ahead and did remove the rib and feels like he should receive a decompression, if you will, where the nerves were. It should help him."
Garcia, who was 3-1 with a 4.12 ERA in seven starts, will miss the rest of the season.
Jim Hoehm is a contributor to MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.


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Out of debt, out of danger
This page is about the saying "Out of debt, out of danger"
Possible interpretation:
When we no longer owe money to anyone, we are safe and secure. The implication is that it is dangerous to owe anyone.
debt (noun) = something (for example, money) that is owed or due | out of debt (adj.) = no longer owing money to someone else | danger (noun) = situation that could cause harm or injury; unsafe | out of danger (adj.) = no longer in danger; in a safe situation
Quick Quiz:
According to the saying "Out of debt, out of danger", it's best to owe money to
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A Hereford woman fought off a hooded robber while on her way home from Tesco in Belmont last month.
The would-be thief approached her from behind on his bike and attempted to snatch the victim's bag.
However the woman refused to let it go, and when another cyclist came around the corner and onto the footpath near Golden Post, the ride-by robber released it and cycled away.
Police are now appealing for any information regarding the attack, which took place between 11.45am and 12.15pm on Sunday May 25.
The assailant is described as a male between 16 and 24, clean shaven, with short blond hair that appeared almost white,
He was wearing a grey hooded top, dark blue jeans and was riding a what appeared to be a mountain bike with a black bell on the handlebars.
Detective Constable Ben Pearson of Hereford Reactive CID said: "We urge anyone who recognises the description or knows this man to contact us immediately.
"We would also like to hear from anyone who saw the attempted robbery and particularly the second cyclist who may be able to give us important information about what happened and about the suspect."
Anyone with information is asked to contact DC Pearson by calling the non emergency number 101 and quoting incident number 322s 250514.
Alternatively information can be passed on anonymously by calling the independent charity Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111 or completing its online form by logging on to www.crimestoppers-uk.org.


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Amor is partnering with the Center for Victims. Molly Burke at the Center is enthusiastic about working with
Amor and has committed to this partnership. The service-learning aspect of AMOR will be situated in the classes in Classical Mythology and Global and Cultural Perspectives, both of which will have assignments embedded in their syllabi that will result in student-led presentations and discussion of the documentary Life After, made by the Center.


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"Lily gets in a limo and takes off," Bryne revealed to her fans on Sunday night, March 16th, when she visited with them via a chat room on her website, marthabryne.net. It was her response to Sleepydreams143's question asking "how they wrote Lily off?"
As the World Turns fans were shocked recently, when it was made known that Bryne, who started with the soap in 1985 at age 15, would not be signing on the dotted line to renew her contract. The rumor mill raged rampant, so much so that As the World Turns, who never discusses contract negotiations, released a statement from Executive Producer, Chris Goutman, to Soapdom stating "We made Martha an incredibly generous offer in hopes that she would remain a valuable member of the ATWT cast. Unfortunately, Martha has decided to leave despite our best efforts to keep her."
Byrne soon addressed the show's official statement, also mentioning how she has never discussed contract negotiations publicly previously, always believing them to be a private business matter, but felt in light of the show's official statement, she wanted to clear the air. She explained that in the middle of the negotiations both sides reached a stalemate, but instead of the show making a counter offer, they sent out a casting call to name soap actresses as Byrne's replacement. For Byrne, "that was when things went from bad to worse." Bryne later told TV Guide online that she just did not feel that the show did all it could to keep her, per Goutman's statement, and she feels that the fans deserve the truth.
Speculation and rumors persisted that the stalemate issue was Byrne's demand for storyline approval, but on Sunday, March 16th in chat on her website, Bryne shared that storyline approval was in no way the culprit. When asked if storyline control was the reason, she replied "NO!!!"
When asked by chatter MarkH "Are you really okay with this break from ATWT?" Bryne replied "no."
Chatter janefitz asked: "There's been a lot of rumors about what happen between you and the producers. Can you share now what caused the breakdown in negotiation? Also, best of luck in whatever you decide to do."
To which Bryne replied: "I did not want storyline approval. No one gets that. I had already taken a substantial pay reduction last year. The only thing I wanted was to work at least the same amount of episodes this year as last year. This was denied and that is when I heard about my recast."
Time out for an explanation on that point. A soap actor is contracted for a guaranteed number of episodes per week – two, three, four. If they are contracted for a guarantee of three, and they only work two, they still get paid for three. If they are contracted for a guarantee of three, but work four, they get paid for the extra day. From what Bryne is saying here is that whatever her guarantee was last year, she wanted the same guarantee for this year, and for some reason – probably budgetary – the show was not in a position to agree. Paying Bryne for a three-day guarantee is also more costly to the soap than paying say, Van Hansis (Luke) a three-day guarantee. He's only been with the show a few years, while Bryne's been there for over 20. She is at a far higher pay rate, I am sure, even with last year's pay cut.
Bryne also shared that her last scenes are with Jon (Hensley, Holden), Michael Park (Jack) and Maura (West, Carly). "Michael Park was my hanky when the scenes were done," Bryne revealed. Her last tape date was Friday, March 14th. She will air through the end of April.
She talked about her going away party saying it was "Awesome. There were about one hundred people there. Some from our old studio. Some old friends, lots of love in the room! I cried again."
Fans also asked Bryne to reveal her favorite storyline "So many, but I loved playing Rose and Lily together in scenes;" if she was still going to be involved with St. Jude's Children's Hospital, a charity she recruited the just about everyone in soapdom to support for 11 years, with the 12th charity event scheduled next year, "I am going to Memphis in October as a professional advisory board member and will be more involved with St. Judes on a day-to-day basis. I will be planning another St. Jude's event for Spring 2009;" what scenes she submitted for Daytime Emmy Award consideration, "I submitted two episodes one being the day Lily decided to enter rehab at the Snyder Farm and the second episode was the day after Holden found Lily in Dusty's suite and asked for a separation;" if she was going to continue with her music, etc.
When asked if she'd consider another soap she replied, "I am open to anything." She also believes that fan support is amazing and that the show does listen to the fans. When asked what they could do to help, she suggested writing to P&G Productions in Cincinnati, Ohio.
But it may be too little too late. SOD is already reporting that ATWT has recast the role of Bryne with a name actress, who did not even have to audition. However, they are not releasing the name as of yet.
Soapdom wishes Bryne all the best. Should she find her way back to Oakdale in the future that would be wonderful. Should she land on another soap or primetime show, we couldn't be more delighted. One thing is certain. Bryne is a two-time Daytime Emmy Award winning talented actor, and a gracious, generous person. She'll come out of this stronger for the trouble, we're sure.
Transcript of Martha Byrne's chat with fans
As the World Turn's Martha Byrne Out
Martha Byrne on Exiting ATWT: "I Was True to Myself"
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Hello Martha-
HOPEFULLY you will see this. It's Mark Wilows from Soapdom, the guy that interviwed you on many occa*sions. All I can say....how sad to see a talent like you go. I wish you the best. You were always so great to chat with.
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Moustakas hopes homer gives him boost
KANSAS CITY -- A few inches more to the right and Mike Moustakas would have had just a long foul ball instead of a home run in Tuesday night's 9-5 win over the Indians.
The drive hit the outside of the foul pole for a two-run homer -- Moustakas' first blast since returning from his 10-day stay with Triple-A Omaha.
"I was just looking for a good pitch," he said. "I was able to get one later in the count and I was able to keep it fair -- barely."
Moustakas' battle to get his hitting in full gear is ongoing, but the home run -- his fifth -- was expected to give him a boost. He was able to keep it going in Wednesday's 4-1 win with a 2-for-4 day.
Eric Hosmer and Alex Gordon also hit their third and seventh homers, respectively, in Tuesday's win. Home runs have been coming more slowly for the Royals this year than any other team in the Majors.
"It all wears on them a little," manager Ned Yost said. "They all come into the year with expectations and goals. They know in their mind what they're capable of doing, and when it doesn't happen it does wear on them a little bit.
"But they've got experience knowing the exact same thing happened last year and, at the end of the year, their home run totals were up. So they know they're capable of doing it. It kept them a little more saner than it did at this time last year."
Around this time last year, after 64 team games, Moustakas had four home runs, Gordon six and Hosmer two. When the season ended, Moustakas had 12, Gordon 20 and Hosmer 17.
Dick Kaegel is a reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.


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TEXAS CITY, Texas - Two men were shot as they stood outside a Texas City home, according to police.
Officers said the two men, both 31 years old, were standing in front of a house in the 2900 block of Vance around 7:15p.m.
Investigators said the men may have been visiting family members who live there. Police said a gray SUV drove up and someone inside opened fire on the men, hitting both in the back.
Neighbors said they heard five to ten gunshots.
"I was scared and surprised," said Benigna Bautista. "That doesn't happen on this street. It's usually normal quiet. Everything's calm."
Josh Calhoun came over to help the victims until police arrived.
"I ran down and saw the guy on ground," said Calhoun. "One other neighbor took his shirt off. I held his chest with the shirt to keep blood from coming out. Put pressure on it."
Detectives said one victim was taken by Life Flight to UTMB hospital. The second victim was rushed by ambulance to the same hospital.
Investigators said both men have life threatening injuries and need surgery.
Police are trying to determine what led to the shooting.
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