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Part 3 of 3 Parts
Part 1: Elizabeth in Charleston
Part 2: A musician on the go -- then gone
Part 3: A long-sought reunion
CHARLESTON W.Va. -- George "Geo" Bartlett was gone.
No one knows the lonely roads and byways, the towns and states, that lay between George's exit from Arkansas and Elizabeth's arrival a quarter-century or so later in Charleston, West Virginia.
They could not have been easy years. The roadmap of her travels might well be said to be written in her gaunt, wiry frame, the trail-worn clothes she wore day after day and a face crisscrossed with lines.
George had walked off from his Arkansas family in 1983, at age 29, after he told those who loved him that he would rather be a woman. When he left his home state far behind, he also left George behind.
It is not clear when he began to call himself 'Elizabeth' full-time, among other names. But he was determined to dress and identify as a woman, whatever the fallout to his life and to all who'd known him as a handsome young musician whose music had once been talked up in Rolling Stone.
It is also not clear how deeply Elizabeth suffered from some strain of mental illness, which contributed to her wandering flight from all she once knew.
What is known is that sometime early in the first decade of the 21st century what looked to be a stooped, but tall homeless woman missing many teeth shuffled into town. In her hands, she clutched a handheld recorder. She was still making songs.
Beseeching heaven
Back in Arkansas the years rolled by. The Bartlett family undertook the hard work of acceptance, beseeching heaven to look after a long-missing brother and son.
"Not a day would fly that we didn't think about him," said Sharon Bartlett, one of George's three sisters. "We believe in intervention prayer. We just prayed for his safety. We prayed he was not hungry. We prayed he had shelter."
He apparently made it to Boston about 1980-81, to record at the studio of Ric Ocasek, band leader of The Cars, who had praised young George's music in Rolling Stone. Ocasek did not respond to several Gazette queries sent to his management firm.
Then, George apparently deserted that city, too, said Sharon.
The reason they know he was gone from Boston is that Ocasek and their father had a phone conversation and the singer "just basically told him he had left," she said. "We don't know if they were disgruntled with each other, if he left on a bad note or what."
George spent some time in a little town in Arkansas in 1983 where his mother lived. Then, he disappeared.
Family members went on with their lives, always looking over a shoulder for him. George's father, initially disturbed and angered by his son's revelations and now heartbroken at the estrangement, tried finding him through the social security system.
Somewhere along the way, George apparently legally changed his name to "Leah Elizabeth Wingfield." The family learned that Leah Elizabeth Wingfield had begun receiving disability checks, possibly as a result of what middle sister Leigh Ann believes may have been a diagnosis of schizophrenia. "I don't know for sure. But he had a disability check," she said.
The family made a video they hoped might reach George if they could pierce the government bureaucracy and get it to him. Leigh Ann recalled its making.
"My dad actually said, 'You guys will address her as "Leah."' It's so heart-wrenching -- we're all crying and my dad is begging Leah: 'Come back to your family!' He's saying, 'If you will come back we will accept you as you are.'"
The video never got to him. Jim Bartlett died in 2006, without ever seeing his son again.
"We married and raised our families," said Sharon, oldest of George's sisters. "He didn't know he had nieces and nephews. We just lived our lives the best we could without him."
One decade passed, then two. The family's prayers included one very specific one:
"May George find kindness. May he be embraced by kind people that will accept him and care about him."
And lo and behold, that prayer was answered.
Winning trust
Elizabeth's time on the Charleston streets, often hanging about Taylor Books or the old Capital Roasters, was not without incident.
"I heard she could get angry and even that she had thrown a shoe at one of the café workers," said her friend and benefactor Leslie Clay. "But in my four years of knowing Elizabeth she was never once mean or angry toward me. I imagine she sometimes just got fed up with the way people would treat her."
After Clay and her husband Carl Agsten decided to head to Central America for mission work, they donated a small home on Dixie Street to Covenant House. They bought it first for Bill Dunn -- a street person known as "Aqualung" -- as a place to call home. Elizabeth moved in after Dunn disappeared one day.
So, now Elizabeth had the people at Covenant House looking out for her, among them Briana Martin, Phil Hainen, Amy Weintraub and Crystal Good. They guided her to more supervised housing and assistance, trying to figure out how best to help.
"We were all just eager to win her friendship and win her trust," said Weintraub, then director of Covenant House.
Elizabeth could be inadvertently destructive while tinkering and trying to make things, she said. "She might take apart the thermostat to use it as a new camera she was trying to invent. It wasn't intentional destruction."
She also made songs, took phone pictures, concocted little sculptures out of spoons and knobs and stuff as gifts.
"She would bring me videos she'd made. They were often disjointed and impossible to follow. But it did give you a hint she was desperately trying to communicate. That's part of what made her so endearing to all of us," said Weintraub.
Good, Covenant House's assistant director at the time, recalled her first Elizabeth encounter. One chilly day, she spotted Elizabeth on the street in a skirt, thin stockings and sandals. Good purchased a pair of warmer stockings at a drugstore. She went to give them to her.
"She absolutely refused," Good said.
Years later, they had a more fruitful meeting, one that would reverberate across several states and lives. One day in late fall 2009, Elizabeth walked into Good's office. In her quiet, small voice, she said: "I want you to help me find my family."
"I took a deep breath and I said, 'Well, how long has it been since you've seen your family?'" Good recalled. "It was this huge number."
Elizabeth hadn't seen them since the early 1980s.
What finally prompted Elizabeth's wish to reconnect? Perhaps her closeness with Leslie Clay's family, holding Clay and Agsten's children, sitting at their Thanksgiving table? Was it her age, now in her mid-50s?
No one knew for sure. But Good knew what to do next.
"I said let me get started. I Googled a couple names. I called. I left messages. I said, 'This is Crystal in Covenant House in Charleston, W.Va. We may have a relative here with your same last name.' Just a generic message. You also had to be careful about identity and things like that."
When she came to work the next day, "I had at least 30 messages on my phone," Good said. "It was like an Oprah moment. So, I was just an instrument, I was just the connector. It was just meant to be. What struck me was the messages -- they were so happy."
The reunion
George's youngest sister, Lisa, had last seen him when she was 13, during a hot Arkansas summer in 1983. He taught her how to drive his standard-shift white Mustang, she remembered happily. "He took me to some hills and made me drive home!"
When he wasn't roaming, he might sit Indian style in his room, incense burning, lost in thought. She can still visualize his Bible beside him, underlined and marked with his notes.
By winter of that year, he was gone. As the years piled up, it looked like he was gone for good.
"I think I grew up kind of mad. At people. At life. I was mad that he left," said Lisa. "Growing up there was always this void and emptiness."
Then, the day came more than a quarter century later that she saw her brother again in the community room of Covenant House. Or she saw who George had become.
In November 2009, Lisa, her two sisters, Leigh Ann and Sharon, and their mother, Fern Rigdon Bartlett, drove as soon as they could from Arkansas to Charleston. They had been prepped by Covenant House's Weintraub and Martin the night before the reunion.
Elizabeth was scared and full of anxiety, Martin recalled. "She was very standoffish. I was very fearful she would run."
The middle sister, Leigh Ann, recalled the moment Elizabeth entered the room.
"We put Mom in front and then we put Sharon behind Mom, because Sharon is the oldest. Me in the middle, Lisa being the baby at the end. We just all went in single file and embraced Elizabeth."
Weintraub watched a scene she described as "one of the most positive and significant events of my life and certainly my time at Covenant House."
Elizabeth didn't show a lot of emotion those first hours, Weintraub said. "I'm sure she was in some state of shock. But the sisters were amazing. They were just so loving and warm. And they called her 'Elizabeth' from the beginning."
'We just melted'
Even so, in interviews the sisters constantly catch themselves, shifting between "he" and "she" and "George" and "Elizabeth."
Yet the emotion of the reunion was uncomplicated. "When we saw him it was, like, we just melted," Lisa said. "We just melted."
The only time Elizabeth cried, said sister Sharon, was on learning that her father had died. "She said she cried for the first time in years."
Next morning, Elizabeth had breakfast with her family at Bob Evans. She introduced them proudly to staff who called out "There's Elizabeth!" She walked them around town, arm-in-arm, showing off her hangouts and people who knew her.
It was not all rosy. The sisters saw that they could not bring Elizabeth back to Arkansas just yet, that her needs were many, and they had preparations to make back home. Just as important, Elizabeth needed to be willing and ready to leave Charleston.
And there was another thing the family realized about Elizabeth and where she had landed after so many years of wandering.
"I think she found respite in Charleston. She found a place to call home. She found people that embraced her and cared. I think that's why she stayed as long as she did," said Lisa.
"I just want to tell Charleston how much our family appreciates that community for taking her on and maybe even tolerating her at times. There are good people in this world."
As the sisters and their mother drove south out of the city back to Arkansas, a brilliant sunset lit up the sky. Crying, they sang "Amazing Grace" and "I Can See Clearly Now," one of their mother's favorite songs.
Lisa rolled back the sunroof and popped up out of the car to photograph the sunset. The photograph would later appear in a YouTube video the sisters made about finding their brother again. Leigh Ann held tight to her sister's legs as the car plunged homeward.
"I stand up and we're going 70 miles per hour!" said Lisa. "I can't tell you the healing that we felt driving home from Charleston. It's like, I wasn't mad anymore!"
Bound for home
In early spring 2010, without a word to Covenant House, Elizabeth disappeared from Charleston.
She made her way south to Arkansas via Greyhound and hitchhiker's thumb -- she was a road warrior, after all. She was in search of a school where her youngest sister taught in Cabot, Ark. She plopped down in the middle of the night outside the first school she found and went to sleep. Bearing no ID, she was promptly arrested by police.
Elizabeth was released from jail the next morning and Lisa arrived and took her to her house.
Lisa slipped back into the male pronoun to talk about her brother's return to the family fold, at long last. "It was an amazing time. I was just ready to fight anybody that hurt him or made fun of him or bullied him."
Much could be said of the three years Elizabeth spent back home. She would sometimes ask her sisters to pull the car over to give a few dollars to some homeless person. She could be sweet and funny and -- much as the sisters loved George growing up -- "Elizabeth was so much sweeter and kinder and so compassionate and loving," said Lisa.
The happiness and joy was tempered by difficult times. There were rants and raves "and talking to people who were not there," as one sister put it. There were adjustments. Medication ordered. New family arrangements.
Their mother -- now in assisted living -- had the hardest time of all viewing her son as a daughter instead, the sisters say.
The sisters had their own final transitions to make.
Elizabeth eventually settled into Leigh Ann's home in Tulsa, a city she liked.
"Sometimes, people would accidentally call her George, and she would have no reaction," said Leigh Ann. "We would take long drives in Tulsa. I talked to her one day: 'I want George back, can I have George back?'"
"I can't," Elizabeth told her. "I changed 20 years ago. This is who I am now. And I can't change."
So, they put that question to rest, said Leigh Ann. "That made life so much easier for me and my entire family."
Telling the tale
The three sisters said they wished to be forthright in telling their family's tale for several reasons.
One, that homeless people have families and life stories, too, yet are often ignored, dismissed and even harassed. Second, that a huge dose of patience and love is needed when transgender identity issues and mental illness tear at a family.
And third, said Sharon, they hope their family's tale might inspire other families. "I just want people to know out there that if there's any dissension or disagreements in their family maybe you can heal that. And reunite. And accept each other no matter what your differences are."
Last November, Elizabeth's family gathered around the Thanksgiving table. About that time, she began to grow sick and was put in the hospital. Doctors learned Elizabeth had a cancer mass on her left lung and blood clots all over her right lung.
Elizabeth was cared for her in an apartment by Grace Hospice, then was moved to Clarehouse hospice in Tulsa. Family gathered at her bedside in the middle of the night Feb. 7. As her breathing grew labored, Leigh Ann held Elizabeth in her arms and recited the 23rd Psalm, ending with:
"Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the Lord forever."
"And she took her last breath," said Leigh Ann. "I just thank God that I got to be there and that she didn't die alone. She was holding my hand and she was looking in my eyes."
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Part 3 of 3 Parts
Part 1: Elizabeth in Charleston
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Part 3: A long-sought reunion


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Both have looked great so far and both will have nice long careers.
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Both have looked great so far and both will have nice long careers.
Of course he wasn't making mistakes he was playing conservative throwing it safely behind the line of scrimmage.
If you want to argue that RG3 never threw a pass downfield in any of those games.....then have fun arguing with yourself
I have been super busy getting our new house move-in ready, so I missed the first quarter, but what a game.
Once again it was not pretty, but a win is a win. And as much as I hate John Mara I loved the win even more.
Never woulda thought we would have a chance to win the division. I have been saying since the offseason I would be happy with 8-8, and I still stand by that.
PS. Love the clutch TD pass by RG3 Did not like the fumble by Morris, but he seemed to run harder and was mad at himself after that fumble. I love that kind of attitude in a young man!
Haven't watched a lot of RGIII.Does he mix his game or goes mainly for the running game(either by himself or hand the ball to the RB)?I know that Washington has a good running game.
RG3 is still running that college option offense... I just don't see it working long-term. He's still leaning heavily on those short check-down passes, designed runs and scrambles on first and second down. He does pick his spots to let a deep pass off. It looks pretty... but in crunch time and "money downs" he's not pulling off anything amazing. It's working now, but I just have concerns for the entire plan in the long run. It's like... the complete opposite of what Luck is doing.
I dunno... I think people go oooh and ahhh over his 60 yard dashes and his passer rating, but when I watch the kid I'm seeing more fluff and flash than I am real substance. Guess time will tell. I still say that Russell Wilson and Luck (with Luck being clearly in his own league better than anyone else) are the top two QBs from this draft, been saying that since before the season started.
Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 12-06-2012 at 04:04 PM.
There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.
His third down conversion is pretty bad. His third down and long is flat out terrible (11.8%). An argument can be made that he is not as clutch as Luck.
On a side note, he has to be the only rookie Qb that has fumbled twice in the redzone and got 14 points out of it.
I don't think anyone is their right mind would argue RG3 is more clutch, hell RG3 hasnt had the same opportunities. To me the TD pass at the end of the NYG game (both games, actually, if you want to be technical. Even though we lost the first one) were both very clutch.
I guess if we are basing clutchness off of 3rd down conversions then I would see your point. But to me clutch is wanting the ball in your hands in crunch time and making something happen. Reggie Miller at the buzzer. Boom baby. That is what I see as clutch.
Won't argue RG3 has been lucky on his 2 fumbles. However, like my coaches have always said, sometimes its better to be lucky then good. Right place right time.....
Diffrent styles, but he is getting positive results. Plus Luck ran a pro style offense in NCAA
If it doesnt work next year then I will say you were right, but right now I 100% disagree. Like when the wildcat came in the league, people do not like change and think if it is not "traditional" then it is "wrong" and "no good".
Frankly I dont give a **** who the best QB in the NFL is, or who the best rookie is (though I think Luck and RG3 are neck and neck, and I have Luck a little higher) all I care about is that we are one game behind the division leader. And have a serious shot at making the playoffs.
I will let everyone else argue if it is a gimmick or not, while yall do that I am going to sit back and enjoy the wins.
The wildcat didn't last. =/ Which is my point. League caught on.
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There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.
Griffin will always be successful individually in that kind of offensive. But it requires the supporting cast to do more than in other offenses. Even if he always makes the right decision on who gets the ball, he's throwing a lot of passes in the -5 to 3 yards downfield range. Personally, I'd rather the coach build up an offense that's gonna give him most of his short passes in the 3 to 6 yard range. That way, even if the defense makes a play you've still got the initial yards.
Yet the wildcat is still used
The Giants faced us twice, and still had trouble defending it.
12 weeks into the season, if it was all a "gimmick" then I would tend to belive NFL teams (with the help of all the film they have) woud have figured this out and stifled the offense.
Granted the Steelers really did, but the Redskins helped them with 10 dropped pases.
RG3's decision making, athletic ability, and Shannys ZBS and playaction attack is what is working. Shanny did this before, only diffrence is he is doing it out of the Pistol.
Like I said, other can call it what they want, I will call it a win and enjoy it while it lasts (esp after having nothing to cheer for the past decade).
Hell, the plays/passes RG3 made to beat the Girl is enough to get me as giddy as a school girl
That is a whole diffrent conversation. I am OK with the system now because it is working, but I would love to see him open it up a bit more. I hate the short dump offs, but you know what, so far they are working
Of course, part of the problem is all the injuries to our O-line and lack of receivers. I thin the coaches want him to make quick decisions, and in their eyes they like the quick dump passes and the receivers or backs making the plays to get positive yards.
The wildcat isn't used much at all, not like it was a few years ago when it took the league by storm. I can't remember the last time I saw the ball hiked directly to a non-QB, actually.
There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.
Really? I could have sworn I saw it just last week, though admitidly I may be misremembering
I thought it was a WR end around, or fake end around pass.
Agreed it has fizzled out, but it is still used
There's really no reason to believe that RGIII and Luck aren't both going to be fantastic at this point. You can say both systems are a little gimmicky to be honest, the Colts can't throw the ball down the field 20 yards forever IMO, eventually Luck's going to have to exploit the middle of the field, right now Luck does not throw the 10 yard slant route well, just in the same way that RGIII has some issues with a couple throws. They are minor, minor complaints for two guys that are absolutely rewriting the level of what is possible for a young QB in this league. I think the Skins offense is already significantly less gimmicky than it was 4 weeks ago for example. Remember, Cam hit his rookie wall in November, both Luck and RGIII got better over November. If one of them was going to get "figured out" I think it would have happened. Cam was figured out last season, not this season.
I think predicting the downfall of either QB is a little petty at this point. There's no reason to compare them IMO, both guys are playing well and neither the Skins nor the Colts would swap one for the other and that's a fact. They stand on their own, yes I know the media will always link them, but we can rise above the media and just call them both stars. They are doing something we have never seen before, and I htink that is going to be the theme of their career. The shared greatness of the 1 and 2 pick, not a debate over who is the bestest.
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The Wildcat was pioneered by a ****** coach with a really average pair of running backs, an old Ricky Williams and Ronnie Brown.
They are totally different than what Washington is doing with a fairly proven coach and a very good young rookie QB. The Skins are already showing more pro style sets than they did in Sept and Oct, and RGIII got better as Nov. wore on, just like Luck they are both learning.
Here's the thing, it's a matter IMO of when, not if, these two meet in the Super Bowl, that is going to be a crazy, crazy sporting event. Can't decide if I'd rather have them both being looking for their first win or if I'd like for them both to have a ring at that point, would be the most hyped super bowl QB matchup of all time either way.
I agree but 1 point:
Garcon has made amazing plays all season (minus his injury) and has only dropped passes in one game: The Pitt one. The whole team was dropping passes that game, though.
You may have bad memories, but he has made nothing but positive plays for us.
I actually saw a chart that shopped how "exadgerated" his drops were, but admitedly it was on a Redskins site (or the WAPO, I dont remmeber honestly) but point is he has produced for us. So far. And if he is our big "flawed big pursuit" then I will be happy. He is already 1000% the player that Fat Albert was
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Just wait. It is not to say Garcon is a bad player or even a net negative, but he is not a number 1 receiver.
I do not know I agree with that, but if true I am OK with that. I think TPTB are hoping he is a number 1, but IMO if not he will become a great number 2 if we can get a big receiver. Hell, Santana already opens up a lot for Garcon. (or maybe Garcon opens alot for Moss...IDK) And Moss is damn near 900 years old.
Garcon made me want to rip my hair out at times. He made some great plays while on the team but he was also the #1 culprit of losing focus on the simplest of catches. It might not be hyperbole to say that his 3rd down drop in the Super Bowl (which would of turned a 10-0 lead into a 17-0, or at the very least 13-0...though he was as open as a person could be and could of taken it for 6) cost the Colts the game (I'm sure most will say it is hyperbole, but whatever). It definitely changed the way the teams played from then on.
I just don't see the Colts wr's as good as you do. They are mediocre at best with the exception of Wayne. They still make glaring rookie mistakes 2 of which caused interceptions in the lions game. Both have pretty bad lines for pass protection and both have to scramble to extend plays. Being 11% on third in long is bad plan and simple.
But the 'Skins don't employ the wildcat. The run that college style option offense. There's a reason it's mostly a college offense. Those offenses find success in the NFL mainly on surprise and lack of recent exposure by opposing defenses, and that's why over time they become less and less effective. I agree that because of RG3's arm and athleticism, they might be able to ride that wave a little farther than the wildcat took Miami in 2008... but it's likely that the wave will still peter out eventually. My thinking leads me to believe that the NFL, once the shiny-ness of it wears off, will say "oh ya, that offense, how do we counter that again..." and RG3 and the 'Skins will be forced to change. And therein lies the big question. The Wildcat got a good year for the Dolphins, and they were surprisingly good at it before teams caught on. Then went 11-5 that year and then got trounced in the opening round. A few other teams tried it based off the success of Miami... until dudes like Belichick solved it (within the same season) and everyone copied him. The wildcat proved less and less successful for them beyond that.
Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 12-07-2012 at 04:27 PM.
There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.
The redskins offense will peter out simply because its main component is rg3 being a running threat. That simply can't last if they want a healthy qb for 10 years.
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By Neal Coolong on Jul 1 2013
Using both rookie Jarvis Jones and veteran Jason Worilds seems inevitable for the Steelers' defense, and whichever one starts won't make a difference.
Len Pasquarelli recently ran with the notion of Steelers rookie outside linebacker Jarvis Jones getting the starting nod, mostly based on the idea of Jones being a "pure" outside linebacker, unlike Jason Worilds and LaMarr Woodley and many others - converted college defensive ends drafted much lower than the 17th overall pick.
Is this a question of his familiarity with starting a play on two feet instead of a three-point stance?
The height of the developmental ceilings for Jones and Worilds (the main competitors for the Steelers' starting right outside linebacker position) is something that can be debated, likely with Jones getting an advantage, but let's not dismiss the simple notion of using multiple players.
Just not at the same time.
If Worilds is clearly inferior to Jones athletically but holds an advantage in understanding the defense, and Jones has clear physical ability but his knowledge of the outside linebacker position comes from simpler college schemes, then why can't they be used in "situational football," as Steelers coach Mike Tomlin often says?
It's easy to paint what will likely be the most often-discussed position battle this training camp as being as simple as Worilds vs. Jones, but this seems more like "Tomlin/Dick LeBeau/Keith Butler vs. The Game of Football." Put the head coach, defensive coordinator and linebackers coach in a lab for an offseason, and see what kinds of packages they can create to put both of them on the field at the same time.
It doesn't seem to make sense that Worilds is so easily replaceable that his snap count can be dropped to Steve McLendon-in-2012 levels, while Jones simply takes over. Jones is a relentless pass rusher with underrated coverage skills. Add in the pass rush ability of McLendon (another quiet weapon for the Steelers this year), the Steelers very well could take on a look like the San Francisco 49ers -- lots of different looks with many of them out of a nickel package, counting on pressure from different combinations of 2-4 looks.
If that's the first play of the game, thus anointing Jones a "starter," then so be it. It seems more likely the Steelers will go deeper in their front seven than they have in recent years, and Jones and Worilds will certainly both be a part of that plan.
Here's my thought. I HOPE Worilds lives up to expectations. I HOPE Jones is as advertised and they find a way to get him on the field. That would be "best case" scenario. That would be a win-win. I don't think Jones will have enough playing strength to beat out Worilds as a starter but I do think he will show enough to get on the field in sub packages.
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Agree 100% about Keisel but it will be by series rotation not sub packages imo. Meaning, Keisel will start and be the base & rush DL in nickel & dime. When Heyward rotates into a series, he will be base & rush DL in his series. That is really the best way to get rotation work. The only way I see Keisel not being on the field in subs is if he dropped off. I didn't see it last year but this is a new season.
I agree Mclendon can play in subs. We saw him last year in subs when teams went 2 minute. He definitely gives the DL more flexibility.


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|YDS: 5.7 French: 5a Ewbanks: 15 UIAA: V+ ZA: 13 British: MVS 4b [details]
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By Mike Sofranko
Jul 10, 2001
|This is a great route to collect booty gear on. Not a recommended route when hung-over.
By Brice W
Aug 1, 2001
|Fun climb! It does seem fairly sustained, but the protection was excellent, which is always nice. The fact that I wasn't feeling too strong that day and that it was my first time climbing the route led me to fire in pieces every two or three feet in places. The downclimb is easy to find if you follow the description in the guidebook, but it seemed harder to us in spots than 4th class.
By Mike Bentley
Aug 16, 2001
|This route sucks. I had to bail off of the first pitch last year and came back for vengance a few weeks ago. The best part of the climb is definitely the first pitch, if you stay out of the chimney. Other than that, the route doesn't deserve a single star.
By Matt Bauman
Aug 16, 2001
|The first pitch is ok, the rest of the pitches besides the short 2nd pitch are fun, moderate and exciting...... I think you were off route dude or you only enjoy chimney/offwidth and the famous Lumpy slabby crack climbing is not for you...... it's a great introduction to the Lumpy style of climbing.....very popular so I'd avoid it unless you get there in the winter (I did it early February) or during the week.
By Erik Corkran
Aug 16, 2001
|I've heard fairly mixed reviews of this route also. Some people love it, some well, think it sucks. I did it a long time ago, and didn't like it very well.
By Matt Robertson
Aug 16, 2001
Damn, dude, go easy on that little girl! I found Osiris to be excellent - a perfectly typical Lumpy route at a moderate grade, and therefore not for everyone. Lacking only some runout, I think this route is a perfect intro to the first-class climbing experience that is Lumpy Ridge.
Rossiter's guidebook attributes the FA to Dave Johnson and Pete Robinson in 1964.
By Erik Corkran
Aug 18, 2001
|It's actually not a bad route, I just didn't have much fun on it. Maybe I was having a weird day. Also there was the time (on pitch 3 I think) that for some reason I didn't realize you could use two of the flared cracks at once, and had been climbing only one of them, making it feel quite hard for 5.7. If I were to recommend a nice big 5.7 though, it would be Kor's Flake without a doubt. Ok enough babbling from me for now.
By Anonymous Coward
Sep 23, 2001
|Fun route. There's no tree on the first belay ledge. Pitches 1 and 4 are hard with a pack on. Easy to combine P4&5 with a 60-m rope.
By Michael Walker
From: Loveland, CO
Sep 24, 2001
|Indeed, a great tour of Lumpy offerings - grunty chimney, thought provoking crack...and did anyone else throw a sling around the Fang and belay off that unique feature (never forget when I came over the lip on the third pitch after the cracks - my partner Sean had lead and was riding the Fang like a bucking bronco - it necessitated a photo)?
By Zachary Markis
Mar 15, 2002
|Are you sure you all were on the right route?? Osiris is one of the classics in Colorado! The first pitch is definately the best--but, there is so much to this climb...slab, crack, offwidth (I know, sounds crazy, but I enjoy them, great belays at almost every pitch! Avoid it on the weekends.
By Tony B
From: Around Boulder, CO
Apr 24, 2002
rating: 5.7+ 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b
I think the route is a little odd. I've done it twice, and even rescued someone off of it once. In any case, it flares in spots, it has some less-than perfect rock, and route finding can be less than obvious.
At its grade, it tends to be a Lumpy-Intro for a lot of less experienced climbers. I can understand why its grade and quality would thus be a topic of much debate.
Personally, I'd give it 1-2 *'s because it can't hold a candle to Turnkorner, Romulan Territory, J-Crack or Pear Buttress.
By Michael Walker
From: Loveland, CO
Apr 24, 2002
|As an example of what Tony is talking about: my friend loathed the offwidth (!!) on P1. From there on out the climb was "of a lessor" quality in his eyes...
By Michael Komarnitsky
Founding Father
From: Seattle, WA
May 9, 2002
Pitch lengths/discussion: P1 is about 150 feet to the ledge. P2 should be led long, past the tree and up the ramps to the nice stance just below the big RF dihedral. This gets you to The Fang in about 150 feet again. You can link P4 and P5 (it makes the most sense) at about 164.5 feet.
FWIW, I'd give this route 1.5 stars in my book.
By Ben Mottinger
Founding Father
May 13, 2002
rating: 5.7+ 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b
|I think a lot of the discussion on the "quality" of this route has to do with what type of routes people prefer. I personally like a clean crack on a face or in a dihedral, and a lot of the climbing on Osiris is not that clean. Sorry to add yet another comment on this topic.
By pete cogan
May 18, 2002
About the descent: we went SE and found a clear trail. No downclimbing, no steep gullies, no hassles. 35 minutes back to the car (without returning to base of climb)
We climbed it on a beautiful Sat AM with no people -- just get there early.
By Barrett Cooper
Jun 25, 2002
|The tree belay ledge at the end of the normal second pitch is just over 195 feet off the ground. So when you get up to it and the rain pours in on you, you can escape with two 60m ropes and rap to the ground. If you only had one rope or two 50m ropes you should be able to rap to the first belay ledge and then rap again to the anchors for Georges Tree route below and to the right of the first belay ledge.
By Smas
Aug 11, 2002
|Osiris is the first route I did at Lumpy, and I thought it was great. Accidentally linked the first two pitches looking for a ledge with a "tree"(the correct ledge doesn't have one). Just barely made it with a 60. Also linked the last two to make it a three pitch climb. The best part is definitely the two cruxes over the bulges on pitches 2 and 3, not really hard but committing for a 5.7. There is a really easy walk off described in Rossiter's guidebook: walk straight off the back of the summit over a slab and into a saddle, then follow the obvious trail to the right down to the Twin Owls trailhead. It is really easy and doesn't even have any 4th class! Don't take it if you stashed gear at the base though because you end up almost at the parking lot.
By Michael Kullman
Sep 16, 2002
Great climb! As someone else has noted, pitch two can be stretched out another 30 feet or so above the ledge with the tree. Continue up and left to a small (but decent) ledge at the base of the right facing corner, start p3 from here.
Also, we were a bit confused about where the route goes at the start of pitch 4. We ended up going pretty much straight up some short steep cracks, and there is no way that it was 5.7 climbing (seemed much harder than anything we did on the first 3 pitches). Looking at a topo after the fact it seems like we were closer to George's Tree than Osiris. Some folks told us we needed to work a bit further to the left after topping out on pitch 3. Anybody got some advice on this section?
By Rob Mullen
Sep 24, 2002
|My first Lumpy climb!! It was a weird climb for the first 2 pitches in that I was not used to offwidth techniques felt very strenous for 5.7, pitch 3 next to the right facing corner and up and over the bulge was a lot of fun, my favorite. The pitch from the fang was steep, I had to switch cracks a couple of times which was fun. That being said I don't think I would ever climb this again, but I am glad to have done it.
By Scott Thompson
Oct 2, 2002
|As if this route needs any more comments...oh well, I'm bored. I've done the first pitch two different ways: one is pure chimney style--which feels very hard for 5.6, and not to mention long, two is face climbing--which makes this much more enjoyable. There are a couple sections where you just have to do some chimney action (the first bulge 20 ft off the ground) to keep this ticked in at 5.6, but these arent bad. climbing the face to the left of the chimney feels 6ish, and is never desperate. The easiest line took me farther left (5-8 ft off the crack) than I wanted to be, and gear was sometimes a stretch to place (deep in the chimney at times), but was never really a problem. Save a couple larger pieces for the belay--3 to 4 FR or equivalent hexes work perfect. The third pitch is superb!! Fairly sustained, but with good rests between the tough sections, and always well-protected. The easiest line for me seemed to follow the cracks to the right of the RF dihedral. This pitch eats medium stoppers--doubles are nice. the "headwall" above is truly excellent, and not too hard. One can layback, jam, and stem the double cracks thru this section--the jams are sinker. P4 is interesting. Getting on top of the fang is a little funky, but the moves off the fang for the next 15 ft. are downright weird! The protection is just alright, and everything seems to be loose and sketchy. My partner and I thought this was harder (pychological, mostly) then the 5.7 bulge above, and definitely less straightforward. RE: this bulge, Gillett says it's a "bulge with a wide crack, 5.7"--its not really wide, you can sink great handjams, and the moves are sick!! very fun. This is a fine climb with two long pitches--the third pitch should not be missed! If you have a bad experience with the first pitch (which has definite potential for being a hell-raiser, although I enjoyed it), I could see how you could loathe the rest of the route.
By Anonymous Coward
Oct 7, 2002
|'Osiris' was my introduction to 'The Book'. It's awesome and I suggest it. It accepts terrific gear.
By Ben Mottinger
Founding Father
Oct 8, 2002
rating: 5.7+ 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b
|I think there are better 5.7s out there. YMMV.
By Nate Christiansen
Feb 12, 2003
rating: 5.7+ 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b
|Either I really suck at chimneys, which I probably do, or the first pitch of Osiris is way underrated. I always have a terrible time with this first pitch. Because of that, I do the first long pitch of George's Tree. The climbing is more difficult, sustained 5.9, but it's more positive than Osiris's first pitch IMO.
By Stephan Greenway
May 29, 2003
OK, at the risk of getting hammered by my Estes Park buddies, I am going out on a limb here...
This route is....and always has been a worm driving pile of crap. There I said it! I don't know why it gets any stars! If you want to climb a route in this grade range avoid this one like the plague and head straight over to the Left Book.
But I am a sport climbing weenie!
By George Bell
From: Boulder, CO
May 29, 2003
|Aw, c'mon, how many sport routes have cool butt seats like in Scott Conner's photo? That alone is worth one star!
By Crusty
May 29, 2003
|Clean chimney, quality thrutching, finger cracks, hand cracks, stepping off the fang, a bigger 5.7 than the left book routes, it deserves at least two stars. Great intro to the steeper Lumpy routes. Left Book is quality, too, though. Stephan, I think you are afraid to stick your body parts into those cracks. There's only the occasional rabid critter in there, you'll be fine, just go! xoxoxo -c
By Paul Giglio
Sep 29, 2003
|Did it Saturday. Had perfect weather and really liked it. Maybe I'm just used to Lumpy adversity.
By bb
Jul 13, 2004
|Tried climbing it on Sunday (7-4-04). We had the wrong route though. We were to the left of it. Much harder than Osiris. My friend said it was probably a 5.9
By Edward Jenner
Aug 8, 2004
Not really liking off-width chimney-ish thinks, I was glad not to lead the first pitch and though it was the hardest on the route. The second is also a bit stout (didn't lead that either) and the third and fourth I thought were quite reasonable. Nothing too funky, good gear, and just when you think it's going to be hard, the holds appear.
Great route, The first pitch was the most fun I've had in a wide crack. I think the people saying this is a pile are just trying to keep the crowds off it.
By Anonymous Coward
Aug 22, 2004
|Robert Curtis - I did this yesterday, had fun. Although I think my partner got the best pitches (I did pitches 2 & 4). I really liked Pitch 4 above the Fang (Steep and exciting). I didn't like haulin' our gear in the first pitch (made the chimneyish sections awkward). Also on the second pitch I went up the "stepped right facing dihedral" that Gillet talks about; has anyone just gone straight up to the tree belay? What's it like done that way?
By Bryan Gartland
From: Helena, MT
Sep 19, 2004
rating: 5.7 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b
Did this today and inadvertently combined pitches one and two, it would have been a stretch with a 60m but luckily we had a 70m. Since I still thought I was one P1, I went straight up from the usual first belay and it seemed about 5.8. Pitch 3 was by far the best, hand jams don't get any better; pitch four was kind of a grunt.
Osiris isn't a 3 star due to the awkward natrue of P1 and P4, IMO, but it's still a great route and certainly one that I would do again.
By JPVallone
Sep 20, 2004
|I definitely think Osirus deserves 3 stars. Yeah, maybe pitch one is a bit of a grunt but so is the Harding Slot on Astroman and that doesn't detract from it. While I respect your right to give this 2 stars, I fully disagree. It's staying 3 stars in my book.
By Stich
From: Colorado Springs, Colorado
Sep 18, 2005
rating: 5.8- 5b 16 VI- 14 VS 4c
|I climbed this route today after doing J Crack. I concur that this is a bit of a sandbag, with the caveat that those highly skilled at crack climbing will certainly fare the best. P1 is stiffer than P1 of Werksupp in my opinion. The many flaring, shallow cracks on Osiris that parallel the deeper ones can sucker you into moving over to them, only to find not a jam nor opportunity for pro. I stayed in the offwidth and would step out left from time to time. I combined P1 and P2 to the tree, which barely reaches with a 60m rope and may require your second to climb up so you can get them on belay. You can also combine P4 and P5 with a 60m, but you will not be able to hear your belayer. Have rope tugs agreed upon beforehand.
By Matt Richardson
From: Longmont, CO
Jun 23, 2006
|Did this about a year ago as one of my (and my wife's) first moderate leads. Definitely pushed both of us - made the newbie mistake of trying to drag a backpack up the first pitch. This made the rest of the route total crap in my wife's eyes, but I loved it. Gillett calls the variation of P2 that goes straight up a "hand-crack", but I did it again this past weekend and found the initial portion of the crack to be very wide; does anybody know if this is the variation that he describes?
By TBlom
Jul 2, 2006
|Totally sweet...combined 1 and 2, just watch for rope drag. It's not a bad climb, just an out of fashion climb!
By Ross Tichota
Jul 31, 2006
|The first pitch of this climb sucks. Awkward and as far from smooth as possible. The rest of the climb was pretty fun though, especially pitch three.
By Eric Goltz
From: Boulder, CO
May 10, 2007
|3 stars is waaaaay off, compared to Kor's Flake, Pear Buttress, or any other high-quality moderate at Lumpy. The climbing is physical, and is not a recommended place to bring anybody green to old-school tactics. Leave the pack on the ground and carry shoes on your harness.
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Aug 3, 2008
|The traverse left on fang ledge makes a STELLAR picture.
By W. Spaller
Nov 26, 2008
rating: 5.7 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b
|Compared to other Lumpy 5.7s, this route will seem very difficult. Be prepared for physical and sustained climbing all at the 5.7 grade.
By Sean Moon
From: Toyota Tacoma, USA
Jan 29, 2009
|I did this route back in November...it could have been the winter storm that was blowing in on us or the fact I hadn't led in a while, but I thought the first pitch harder than 5.7. I would like to head back there in better conditions and see what I think then.
By Sarah Kate
From: Seattle, WA
May 5, 2009
|Definitely sandbagged. Only 5.7 if OWs are your passion and joy. Gets better after the first pitch.
By Wade Frank
From: Littleton, CO
Jul 20, 2009
Did this on Saturday 7/20/2009 and thought it was a fun route, I stayed in the off-width/chimney on the first pitch, I certainly think 5.7 is a fair rating but with my lack of experience on off-width/chimney climbing the first pitch was the crux for me. The third pitch gets fun when it gets steep and the steep part of the fourth pitch was fun as well, we linked the 4th and 5th pitch.
This was my first climb in Lumpy.
By goatboywonder Patrick
Sep 6, 2009
|What a great route. I felt that a 5.7 is a pretty fair grade. The first pitch is definitely old school climbing. Keep your back to the right wall for about 90% of the pitch, figure out how to heel-toe and you'll feel pretty secure. The crux pitch (3rd for us) was super nice. Well worth the hassle of the first pitch. The wall get pretty steep with a pair of prefect hand cracks.... mmmm, delicious.
By Petsfed
From: Laramie, WY
Jun 20, 2010
|The first pitch feels pretty similar in difficulty and style to Soft Touch (5.5) at Vedauwoo. I keep hearing that the bulge on top of the 3rd pitch is the crux, but frankly, it's a breeze compared to the rest of the pitch. The style of climbing (hands and big hands jamming) is much much more secure than the fingerlocks and dicey feet that lead to it.
By Larry Marquardt
Jun 21, 2010
Since I climbed this with Brian (comment above), I'm a bit reluctant to say that I struggled on this first pitch as much or more than on the supposedly 5.10 Obi Wan in Unaweep! By far the crux of the climb IMO, maybe it was the hydration pack or maybe I'm just getting old, good protection though Brian led.
Learned a lesson on taking the easy way out, too. Missed the Fang due to confusion with another description and the fact that it didn't seem to be in the right place. Ended up on a 5.7 or 5.8 dihedral (best guess, Midway) and belayed at a terrible stance w/ a rusty old 1/4" bolt and a stopper (Salun and Kimball recommend this belay for another route. I certainly do not!). Then traversed way left 5.7+ to a 5.9+ crack to summit.
By Rodger Raubach
Jul 25, 2010
|This is a great route, and the first pitch sets it apart from most other Lumpy Ridge climbs. Never any harder than 5.7 (Old School), but chimney/offwidth gives a good full body workout. I climbed the chimney L. side in, and then used a different crack for left hand jams. I gave it 2 stars.
By Blake Allen Green
Dec 15, 2010
Most of the comments on this route indicate the opposing views that this route is either awful or that it is great. I had a friend highly recommend it to me, but upon completion, my second and I agreed it was awful. Other members of our group concurred with this analysis.
The guidebook gives a 5.8 variation on the second pitch that's supposed to be a "hand crack"-- this crack is wider than hand/fist stack. Attempting this pitch on the assumption that hand-sized gear will be okay results in VERY sketchy running out, especially if you link the first two pitches believing your 5.8 hand crack technique is all you'll need.
I will disclaim that my partner and I did not climb the last pitch, as we were flustered from the first ones and went up the section of wall labeled "many cracks" in the guidebook, because we did not go to the left of the tooth.
By OReid
From: Denver, CO
Jun 6, 2011
rating: 5.8 5b 16 VI- 15 HVS 4c
|Great climb! You can easily link the 1st and 2nd, and the 3rd and 4th pitches, making it to the top in three full rope lengths. We didn't experience any rope-drag issues with doing it this way. A #4 Camalot is useful but not required. I felt that this climb was more 5.8 than 5.7, but that could be a matter of route finding, which isn't obvious. It seemed that there could be several variations to each pitch.
By Rodger Raubach
Jul 2, 2011
|Nobody ever said that chimney-offwidth is really enjoyable, but it certainly makes this route a good training climb for the Durrance on Devil's Tower. I only gave this route 2 stars, 'cause I don't really enjoy the "wyde" all that much. A great line and varied climbing the remainder of the route, though.
By Andy Weinmann
From: Silver Spring, MD
Sep 13, 2011
rating: 5.7+ 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b
|My first and only climb in RMNP during a recent visit to Boulder. Led P1 and P4/5 (linked). Thought this was a fantastic route. If you don't like slabby handcracks and chimney climbing, then stay away. I'm amazed at the people who flame on this route and it's obvious they don't like crack/chimney climbing...what did you expect?!?! My partner and I both agreed it was a great route with a lot of variety. Oh and both of us did it with day packs and didn't have too much trouble.
By Kevin Wieczorek
Oct 1, 2011
rating: 5.7 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b
Whether or not you like this climb all depends on if you like (or know how) to climb chimneys, I dig it. Ive done this route twice now and it amazes me how many people hate on pitch one, and claim it is not 5.7. It isnt, its 5.6. If you know how to chimney, a lot of the moves on the first pitch have no-hands rests. I have taken a couple of gym climbers up this and they found the first pitch strenuous and exhausting. This is purely due to lack of technique.
I have tried both variations on pitch three, and find the cracks to the right more fun, and cleaner, than the right-facing corner to the left. The variation on pitch two that the Gillett guide calls a hand crack looks like off-width for most people, and I havent done it due to a lack of big gear. In general, peoples enjoyment of a climb is in part tied to their performance on it. Many climbers do not have experience with chimneys and therefore struggle on the wide sections of this climb. If you do not like chimneys, you should walk on by, otherwise this is a fun, long, and moderate route.
By chipacles
Oct 17, 2011
I wish someone would correct the route description on this line. It's worse to get bad, COMPLETELY WRONG beta than to get no beta at all. So, to clarify:
The first pitch is long, perhaps 150 feet, and the belay ledge has NO TREE.
Pitch two has a tree and this can linked with P1 for a nice long climb.
I agree with an earlier poster that there is no "hand crack" on pitch three...there are some cracks, some parts of which are hands, but it's not a "hand crack"....unless you count varying widths and flaring shallow cracks as "hand cracks."
Request of the admin: please correct the beta so other people aren't thrown off... and while you're at it, mention that bailing off even the first pitch is going to require two ropes or leaving gear behind....
By Mark Roth
From: Boulder
Oct 17, 2011
|You can bail from the 1st or 2nd pitch with one rope. Believe me, I've been rained off a couple times.... Obviously, the tree is the first anchor. The 1st pitch belay ledge usually has slings in place on the right side (if you are expecting to bail, bring some extra webbing and rings). From here, you can get to the anchor for George's Tree, and from here to the ground. I would agree that it is harder to get down with one rope from P3 and higher....
By Josh Olson
From: Durango, CO
Mar 18, 2012
rating: 5.7 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b
|Came in to Colorado, first day out went to Lumpy and got hit HARD with altitude sickness. However, we pushed forward and hit this climb. Definitely a suggested climb. I thought the crux pitch was pitch one, but I did take a while to get used to granite. You Colorado folks sure are lucky to have this stuff in your backyard.
By brat
Apr 2, 2012
rating: 5.7+ 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b PG13
So, I lived in Yosemite for years and have had more than my share of old school 5.7 granite chimneys. I can enjoy that stuff. I am definitely not a sport climber.
And I downright hated Osiris. I'll go out on a limb and say it was possibly the least enjoyable climb of my life (and I climbed it on a beautiful day with beautiful people.)
The first pitch was grunty, but not bad, but the rest of it was flared, loose, convoluted, and had bushes growing out of it. I've only climbed a few routes at Lumpy before this, so maybe this is par for the course there, but I sure hope not. The guidebook called it a classic, so perhaps I am destined to hate Lumpy.
By YDPL8S
From: Santa Monica, Ca.
Apr 2, 2012
|It takes awhile to get used to flaring cracks. If all you're used to are Yosemite and Indian Creek splitters, these are an acquired taste. Climb a few more, like George's Tree, and you'll get the hang of it. Then when you've really got your act in gear, try Crack of Fear on the Twin Owls (I backed off in fear and lack of energy after the 1st 50 ft, and I was following!).
By tongmengjia
From: Fort Collins, CO
Apr 6, 2012
rating: 5.7+ 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b
I decided to climb this a week ago, and it's been interesting reading the whole set of comments up til today, and the finally getting to climb it (I climbed it three years ago but didn't remember much).
I don't know how you can't love this route. The first pitch is awesome. It's strenuous but completely secure. I placed almost every piece of gear from a comfortable, no-hands stance. In my opinion, the crux started a couple body lengths below the first belay ledge.
I linked P1 & P2. P2 doesn't really stand out in any way, but it was definitely a fun pitch. The P3 dihedral is a cool feature, with some good hand and foot jams, and some flared, thin spots. The crux is vertical, and took some planning out. Once you're through the bulge, though, it's over.
I linked P4 and P5. Getting off the Fang and into the crack is no gimme. The rest of the pitch is nothing great. Lots of foliage in the cracks and dirty rock. But it's not bad climbing, and it's really just the last bit of scrambling to the summit.
Definitely gave this one 3 stars.
By J Jenk
Jun 17, 2013
rating: 5.7 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b
Tried to climb this a few years ago (1st climb at Lumpy), and my partner and I got our butts kicked. We ended up bailing after the second pitch.
Recently returned and found it extremely easy.... I attribute this to plenty of experience with off-widths and chimneys since the first attempt. The first pitch it super duper fun (chimney with hand crack! what more could you want?), and the rest of the climb is decently fun too. Definitely worth a go.
By Canon
May 4, 2014
rating: 5.8- 5b 16 VI- 14 VS 4c
|P1 is awful. P2 is bad. P3 and P4 are fun. P5 is only there because of rope drag. The lower pitches don't make the upper pitches worth it. When you make the Fang ledge after P3, P4 starts on the FAR LEFT side of the ledge, on top of the Fang itself. If you go straight up from the P3 belay, the cracks are MUCH harder than 5.7. Let the presence of bushes and foliage in the cracks be your guide.
By Eliot Augusto
From: Boulder, CO
May 6, 2014
rating: 5.8- 5b 16 VI- 14 VS 4c
Did this yesterday. Pitch 1 and 2 were grunt fests and completely boring. Pitch 3 was nice, but I ended up taking a pretty big fall trying to climb the dihedral all the way. Pulled out a questionable #4 along the way. Move right into the parallel cracks, route finding is winning. Pitch 4 looked awful and wasn't much better.
I won't go back, but I can see how this would be a good climb for people already in the 11s. If you're a beginner climber (like me), this isn't your standard 5.7. Protects well though.
By Bob Smith 1
May 28, 2014
|Pitch 1 kicked my ass, but I felt accomplished afterwards. I loved pitch 3 and belayed from a rock (maybe a fang?) on The Fang ledge. Overall, I think the best part of the climb was the views. I probably won't do it again, but it was a worthwhile experience.
By NOCO Crystal
From: Loveland, CO
Jul 28, 2014
|I followed this route and thought it was no fun. I am a crack climber and felt this to be unpleasant and required route finding. The protection is OK. You can link P1 and P2 just barely with a 60m rope. The downclimb is unpleasant. I would not recommend it as a classic and would just not recommend this at all.
By jason seaver
From: Estes Park, CO
Jul 29, 2014
|Surely, that was a sarcastic comment, right NOCO? You aren't actually a self described "crack climber" that dislikes route finding, right?
By morgoth70
From: Bountiful, UT
Jun 26, 2015
rating: 5.7+ 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b
|Great route, totally old school. Grunting - check. Thrashing - check. Swearing - check. You will come away battered and bloody and either smiling madly, or you'll go back to clipping bolts.
By WilliamAllen
Jul 5, 2017
|I found a rope stuck on this route on 7/1. Contact me via PM if it is yours
By Keith W
Jul 10, 2017
rating: 5.7+ 5a 15 V+ 13 MVS 4b
|My 2 cents, this climb is awesome. Lots of different techniques are required for each pitch. The wide climbing was engaging and strenuous but not horrible thrutching to gain an inch. All of the other pitches are quite fun, and each has an interesting crux sequence. I thought pitch 1 was way harder than pitch 3 (which has the best crack climbing of the route). Overall, a little sandbagged but isn't everything at Lumpy? It is also much more exciting when you top out and a lightning storm is starting to pound Estes Park.
By Andy W
From: Fort Collins, CO
Aug 18, 2017
|I thought this route to be an excellent intro to Lumpy; however, non-offwidth lovers need not apply. For anyone who has spent more than a day at Voo or has proper offwidth technique, you'll love P1 (recommend link with P2). True old school 5.7 with varied secure climbing, great pro to the discerning eye, and beautiful views throughout. Steeper crack from middle of Fang Ledge was great but could have used a better line through licheny fins above to summit. 3 pitches total with a 70m. Should have spent more time studying the descent. Just remember, having to work hard doesn't mean it isn't fun.


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Uh oh, better get that wheel back out!
I'm still waiting for that list.
10 and 11 against SA in a blowout game and 22 and 8 in the second game.
It's within reach, if you're actually wanting to look.
Atlanta is the 4th best defensive fg% team in the league. 20pts on 50% shooting.
Minn is the 6th best defensive fg% team in the league. 19pts on 50% shooting.
GSW is 7th. 23pts on 62% shooting.
SAS is 9th. 10pts on 45% shooting. 22pts on 54% shooting.
Dallas is 11th. 15pts on 45% shooting.
Lakers are 12th. 16pts on 44% shooting.
Last edited by Since86; 12-04-2012 at 03:59 PM.
Two different issues being talked about here.
No one can argue that West has been anything other than a bad a** all year. All statistics and your eyes will tell you that.
No one can argue that a physical, brawny PF who is 32, still has "years" in his prime. All previous data around career trajectories of PF's will tell you that.
Look at this:
He would be really breaking the mold. The two players that defeat this logic that are active are: Tim Duncan and Rasheed Wallace.
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Seth says DWest is still in his prime, and has 2-3years left. Vnlza disagrees with him. Docpaul comes in and saysVnlza then uses it as proof as to why Seth is wrong, and he is right. This is twice within 2hrs that you've used docpaul contradicting your point, as proof that your point is right.No one can argue that a physical, brawny PF who is 32, still has "years" in his prime. All previous data around career trajectories of PF's will tell you that.
Atleast this time it's not coupled with you complaining about someone else always thinking they're right.
If I waited on all the things I had asked you to support or prove over the years, I would be old and dead before I ever did anything else in my life.
Don't worry somebody already posted the list of players.
The whole point of the list is to show that players decline when they're on the other side of 35. West is 32, giving him 3more years left before he declines. Which is exactly what Seth said, and exactly what you disagreed with. You laughed that he had 4-5 years left.
32+3years of prime makes 35. 1-2 more years of decline makes 37. Putting West on the same path as every player not named Tim or Rasheed, on that list.
Doc's entire post backs up what Seth said, and contradicts your point.
If you'd notice PP is the youngest on that list at the age of 35.
Now if you expect to sign West to a huge contract to be a role player I don't know what to tell you.
Last edited by vnzla81; 12-04-2012 at 05:32 PM.
Guys, you might want to take a look at this good post from BillS.
Basketball topics are a lot more fun than reading posts criticizing each other's communication styles.
I'm not criticizing him for his style of communication. He has a horrible habit of either dismissing anything that contradicts his point, or trying to change a contradictory point into his point. It's just funny to read day after day.
Since86, I think just about everyone on this thread (except for me of course, LOL) has some valid points. Folks are just missing each other, looking to "win the internet" or something.
West has been a beast this year.
West still has some good game in him for sure.
West has a lot of wear on his tires, especially given the kind of game he plays.
Previous data around "life expectancies" of NBA power forwards shows a fairly consistent cliff of decline as a player enters into his 30's.
IMO, based on all of this... I personally would love to see West around past this year.
The thought of a 4 or maybe even a 3 year high priced contract makes me very very nervous though. It's playing against the odds.
I sure would love another 10 mil / 2 year deal though! He's got a great contract right now for us. The *perfect* deal last year would have been 10 x 3 years.
Last edited by docpaul; 12-04-2012 at 05:44 PM.
Would West even consider discussing an extension?
Here is the list docpaul posted so you get a clear view of what I was talking about:
Kurt Thomas Role player at 33 and beyond.
Grant Hill Role player.
Jason Kidd Hall of famer.
Steve Nash Hall of famer.
Marcus Camby Role player at 34 and beyond, he is still a big man that can block shots, rebound and defend and NBA teams love those players.
Derek Fisher role player.
Rasheed Wallace was scoring 15ppg at the age of 31 and declined all the way down to 12ppg at the age of 32.
Jerry Stackhouse Role player since the age of 29.
Ray Allen HOF
Andre Miller role player since the age of 32.
Tim Duncan HOF
Kevin Garnett HOF
Antawn Jamison He is in the same boat as West, good numbers in a not so good team.
Raja Bell role player.
Chauncey Billups HOF
Vince Carter HOF
Pablo Prigioni role player.
Manu Ginóbili HOF.
Nazr Mohammed Role player.
Jason Terry role player, 6th man.
Paul Pierce HOF.
He's definitely undeserving of the 'declining' label.
I'm not sure that's possible. I think with it only being a 2 year contract, he will definitely be a free agent. Though I know we can go over the cap to keep him. Not sure if he's restricted or unrestricted, though.
He an unrestricted FA. Only guy's who are restricted are those coming off their first contract.
Extensions can only be offered on contracts of 4 years or greater in length. West will become an unrestricted free agent, and the Pacers will hold early Bird rights. This would allow them to offer a contract starting at up to 175% of his current pay. Since they are unlikely to offer anything approaching the $17.5mm that allows - or much if any more than the $10mm to start, should they try to re-sign him - the early Bird rights are the same as full Bird rights as a practical matter in this case.
If the Pacers were to let West walk at the end of the season, it's difficult to tell how much cap space they would actually have. Much would depend on where the cap lands. It will probably be somewhere between the current $58mm and $60mm. Given holds for draft picks and roster charges, you're probably looking at perhaps $5 to $7mm in room. That's very rough, but probably a safe guesstimate.
If they re-sign West, then they'd have their MLE, BAE, and Min to add pieces.
Any trades obviously change the math.


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The Ravens fired offensive coordinator Cam Cameron, according to reports from multiple outlets. According to the Baltimore Sun, quarterbacks coach Jim Caldwell will be promoted to replace him.
Cameron worked in that capacity for the Ravens for four full seasons and 13 games this season. Although there has been consistent outside criticism for Cameron's sometimes too conservative, always uneven play-calling, the timing of the move is surprising with the playoffs around the corner.
The Ravens have lost two consecutive games for the first time since 2010 to fall to 9-4, but still have a two-game lead in the AFC North. The offense Cameron leaves behind is ranked ninth in scoring (25.5 points per game), but is just No. 16 in passing, No. 17 in rushing and No. 18 in total yardage.
Cameron went 1-15 as head coach of the Miami Dolphins in 2007 before being brought to Baltimore with head coach John Harbaugh the following season. Although the quarterback and running back the Ravens drafted that year—Joe Flacco and Ray Rice—have had good success, there's been a sense the offense could be a lot more productive.
It's true Rice has seen on average fewer touches this year (20.8), when that number has usually been 23 or more in past seasons. The bigger, more lingering issue, however, has been Cameron shying away from consistently letting Flacco loose to take better advantage of a strong arm, play-action and talented receivers to get the ball downfield.
Caldwell, after helping Peyton Manning as a Colts coach, has had a good influence on Flacco in their first season together. Caldwell's first order of business as the Ravens' new offensive coordinator is a tall one—getting Flacco and his teammates to put up more points than Manning's red-hot Broncos in Sunday's critical home game with Denver.


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Aemilius wrote:A better translation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodhisattva_vow#Asanga.27s_Bodhisattvabhumi
The Wikipedia article is only a summary, not a translation.
Aemilius wrote:The Fourth root downfall has previously been translated as: "Saying that the Mahayana sutras are not a teaching of the Buddha constitutes a root downfall". Rulu's translation is too mild and a watered down version of it. Your Yogachara bhumi sastra comes probably from the same bureau?
I looked at the Sanskrit manuscript as well as the English translation (from Sanskrit & Tibetan) by Mark Tatz. Here's Tatz' translation of the fourth pārājayikasthānīyadharma:
- To repudiate the bodhisattva collection and, on his own or echoing someone else, to devote himself to counterfeits of the good doctrine, and then to enjoy, to show, and to establish those counterfeits of the good doctrine, is the fourth event that is "grounds for defeat" for the bodhisattva.
And here's Rulu's translation:
- If a Bodhisattva maligns Bodhisattva teachings, or pronounces supposedly similar dharmas and pretentiously establishes himself on such dharmas, which come from his own or someone else's understanding, it is called the fourth parājika.
While Tatz' translation is more precise, I think that the differences between the two is merely due to Rulu relying exclusively on the Chinese text and not because of any intentional attempt to misrepresent the content of the fourth pārājayikasthānīyadharma.


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Finally, we know what he's reading:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_yl...yhoo&type=lgnsBy Jason Cole, Yahoo! Sports
December 11, 2007
Indianapolis Colts rookie wide receiver Anthony Gonzalez had two roads picked out for his post-college career. Both of them figured to feature some intense training under some intriguing circumstances. If not for the NFL, where Gonzalez was the first-round pick of the Colts this year, he had hopes of attending Stanford Law School. Gonzalez, who has impressed veteran quarterback Peyton Manning with his study habits, scored the first two touchdowns of his career on Sunday night against the Baltimore Ravens during a 44-20 win. Overall, he had six catches for 134 yards against the Ravens, helping the Colts get through life without Marvin Harrison, for now:
Cole: Manning said you work pretty hard at the game. Do you spend time on your off-day studying extra?
Gonzalez: I come in on Tuesday and get treatment (Gonzalez is nursing a sprained left thumb which he has to tape for games right now) and then I spend about an hour on my off-day watching tape. It's not a lot, but enough to get started. I'll watch the game we just played and then a little of the team coming up. I'm looking for some different things at different times. The first thing I'm trying to get ahold of is what type of team they are, what type of coverages they play. Then, as the week goes on, I look at the different personnel they have and how those guys play.
Cole: So tell me about wanting to go to law school.
Gonzalez: I'm going to do it at some point after I'm done with my career, whenever that is. Hopefully, it will be awhile. I'm not sure what exactly I want to do, but I figure that's a way to make a difference. You can't do law school for a month at a time, so it's going to have to wait.
Cole: Do you do anything right now to prepare for going to law school? Do you study for the entrance exam?
Gonzalez: Not really. That's not something you can just do. The test results are only good for four years at a time, so there's really no rush to take them now because I have no idea when I'm going to go. But I read a lot and a major part of the LSAT (law school admissions test) is reading comprehension. I'm thinking about getting an MBA and I want to learn Spanish as well once I get done playing.
Cole: What's you're grand plan with all of this?
Gonzalez: I've always thought about being a judge. I think that's a good way to make a difference. That's something my family has always talked to me about. My mom and dad said, "once you take care of your family, think about how you want to make a difference in the world." … Politics, as a whole, fascinates me. I'm not sure I want to get into that anytime soon, but it interests me.
Cole: So how else do you spend your Tuesday?
Gonzalez: I just read and watch TV. Not a lot.
Cole: What are you reading right now?
Gonzalez: I usually get suggestions from people. Right now, I'm reading a book called "Zoom", by Vijay (Vaitheeswaran). It's about fueling the car of the future, it's about hydrogen cars, electric cars, what they think is going to happen in the next few years with the oil industry going through what it's going through. I read another book called "Lone Survivor" and before that I read "The Brothers Karamazov." That was pretty intense reading, but I just try to keep my mind sharp. That's really it. Other than that, I don't have a lot going on.
Jason Cole is a national NFL writer for Yahoo! Sports. Send Jason a question or comment for potential use in a future column or webcast.
Updated on Tuesday, Dec 11, 2007 1:54 pm, EST