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Just quick check in on drive home for now.....Mark already posted spoiler alert; finish was 2:06 and change even though Garmin says I ran 13.4 in that time....whatever....I honestly thought I would finish around 2:15 so I should be happy with this post injury but truth be told I'm really not. I feel ok but I am gonna be one sore puppy tomorrow....the last 5 k was pretty ugly; my lack of training definitely showed even though DH told me later I looked too relaxed and not even tired at the end....ooookay........had a nice afternoon with family lunch and shopping; can't wait to sleep in my own bed tonight.....I think I may have slept about 3 hours total last night......more later....good races everybody, especially ANT and Jill!!! Oh and my nephew did do 1:20 again, 79th overall I'm beyond proud of him!!!!DH said he looked awful when he finished God love him!
Indiana - Spring 2013 Dailies
You gonna sign up Clay? I'm seriously considering it. Even if I can't get my mileage up enough and had to drop to the HM, $37 is still a good price for that race imo.
Congrats to all the racers today, especially the PRs.
Solid run today. Had to take off yesterday cause I fell on a box jump at xfit. My shin was swollen pretty bad. Still tender today, but doesnt hurt when I run.
Thinking about signing up for Carmel next year. Anybody else? That discount is crazy!
I'll try not to wax poetically here
I'm still playing back today's race as to where I could have found those 3 minutes. But I'm going to focus on the positive.
The last time I ran the Mini, my time was 2:35 and change.
October, I ran the Purdue Half in 2:29-trained 170 miles for it
Today I ran 2:13-16 minutes better than 6 months ago. I trained 319 miles for it.
I have lost anywhere from 25-30 lbs in the last year and a half, since starting to run seriously.
Running 5, 6, 7 miles at a good pace is now not a big deal. In prior years, I would only be doing 3 to 4 miles through the week and long on Saturdays.
The fire has now been stoked to improve for the next race. That might be a while.
As I told the gang this morning, we received and accepted an offer on our house last night. It might require two moves before our new house is ready. But it is one large elephant off our backs. Just when it seemed hopeless, good things happened.
Again, many thanks for the encouragement on this latest ride. I'll be back on the Canal in due time.
Thinking about signing up for Carmel next year. Anybody else? That discount is crazy!
Read the post above yours.
I'm betting on Bo and Sandy 100% to run Carmel, amongst a couple of others.
Nice 7+, hope that shin is aok.
Rod, congrats on the good race today. It's hard to expect much more than a 16 minute improvement in that relatively small amount of time. I think you can gain those 3 minutes,,,, plus another 5-10,,,, if you could keep running solidly the same way you have been over the past several months and, if possible, continue to lose a few pounds (these are the 2 things I NEED to do as well btw). If you could do that continuously through Monumental without much interruption, you'll be pushing 2:00-2:05 for sure given equal or better weather. If you are unable to keep up the running due to real life stuff, try to do your best at maintaining your current fitness level (and weight) and maybe you can still make those improvements when you do have time to devote to serious running again.
Rod-I think you did great today. If their one thing you should try for next time, It would be a little more even splits. Those surges under ideal pace really take there toll. Great job though.
I forgot to mention that Evansville half has moved the race to Saturday. Looks like me decision between Jasper or Eville has been decided for me. I cant take off Saturday for Eville and what ever full I run.
Thinking about signing up for Carmel next year. Anybody else? That discount is crazy!
Read the post above yours.
You type much faster than me. Especially when I am cooking supper and on the web at the same time.
Thinking about signing up for Carmel next year. Anybody else? That discount is crazy!
Read the post above yours.
I'm betting on Bo and Sandy 100% to run Carmel, amongst a couple of others.
I am already signed up for the half. Don't let that deter you or anyone else from registering
Clint, Slab o ribs or some burgers on the egg grill?
Sandy, I had visions of you towing me across the line for the full..
Clint, Slab o ribs or some burgers on the egg grill?
Sandy, I had visions of you towing me across the line for the full..
Just some chicken nachos. Raining cats and dogs here, has been all day.
The only problem with Carmel is I have a business trip(North Carolina) the week before. Not a really big deal, I travel well and will be in taper anyways. Rachel reluctantly gave me the ok.
Ami - Congrats on the race!!
Michelle - I will forever be amused by your watch purchase. Yeah, yeah...I know it wasn't just for this race. Just let me be amused. I also like the high-fiving kids. You had a really great race. Congrats.
Jill - great race too. I think ANT is telling you to run more. Cool that you ran together for that long.
Ted - nice to meet you too!
Bo - it is very hard to run the pace you want when everyone is passing you. I know that feeling well. Good job for getting through this race. I liked the 1/2 mile, 1/4 mile count down signs. They haven't had them for the past two years.
Rod - I think you had a great race and have really improved a bunch the past year! Don't underestimate how far you've come. I really look up to that. Maybe you should look into doing some strength training that would help improve your back and hamstrings. The canal will be there when you are ready for it again
ANT - congrats on the PR!! I like it at the track when they say "you are halfway done!" All I can think is "I have to do that all over again?"
casb - congrats on the great finish!
rf - I think you had an awesome time with your injury woes. Don't be disappointed!!
Mark - I don't think I can do another Full in the spring again. I can't afford a gym membership or treadmill so I'm just too much at the mercy of the weather gods. And you can't skip runs while training for a full. But I'd be happy to run with you at the '14 IMM There'd be lots of cursing involved as I drag you across the finish line. Fun!
4 @ 8:52
Purposefully fast to gauge where I'm at as I plan to get 30 miles or so next week before tapering a bit the week of the Geist HM.
I really enjoyed the RRs! Great job again everyone.
Clint/Mark - I'm really considering signing up for the Carmel full. Like you said, Mark, $37 is still a bargain if I decide to drop to the HM by race day.
I am going to reply to all the RR's tomorrow.... just want to wait and not miss any. Plus, I might run tomorrow... you all have inspired me.
Clint, luckily for the Mini and our soccer team, the rain pretty much missed us. So weird how the rain is moving northwesterly on the radar,,, or at least it was as of earlier today. I've got a feeling the weather is gonna get pretty nutty within the next couple of decades, if not sooner.
Sandy, we'll see about the IMM next year. I'm thinking about doing the Half there this year to signify the beginning of my comeback. The '12 IMM HM was my last race as of right now and it might be my next one... unless I jump into a 5k or 10k before then. Maybe we'll both try to break 2:00 together at the Carmel HM next year!?!?
Clay, nice 4.... I agree, I'm pretty sure I'll sign up for the full tomorrow... unless Sandy agrees to go for the sub-2 with me!
Clint-I hear you on the pace. I kept telling myself not to go out so fast, and even said "not good' when I saw/heard the times for the first two miles, especially given the conditions. Had it been 10 degrees cooler, I might have been okay. And I still felt good when I got to Speedway. I know why mile 5 was quick-i remember what music was playing and I got in a groove.
I think I only hit a couple of gatorade stops, no water stops (I had 4 bottles of water with me), but did walk through a couple of stops to drink. The GU stop was very poorly placed IMHO. Right as we turned onto 10th Street. At least it was right before a water stop.
Sandy/Mark-when we move, the closest Y to the house will be the Ransburg Y (i can check up on Mark, right?), although the Athenaeum and the Downtown facility are close to office also. Since I did so much outdoor running, I really wasn't focused on the strength or core training-and maybe I should do some of that over the summer. Good pointer.
My RR is on my blog:
Now I'll read everyone else's.
I think we all ran great races under the circumstances. I personally was hot and the wind was really annoying during the second half of the race.
RF: I once had a similar experience as you. In Jan 2012 I injured my achilles and could not train for a few weeks. I then ran the Bath half in early April (this was when we were in England) and it was the only time I didn't PR. You did very well given how much you were able to train. You didn't even think you could run it a few weeks ago!
Stephanie: great job by Cameron and Keith!
msol: great job considering you ran 3 halves in a very short space of time. Next time you will be in C I think which was a really great experience. It only took us 30 secs to get to the start.
Ted: great meeting you and your son!
Bo: your normal pace is 7:55. During the first 6 miles your pace was on average roughly 8:30. I think that's a reasonable pacing strategy ex ante. Sure, NOW you know that was an unsustainable pace but did you really know that while you were doing it? Tell your son to email me (you can get the email address from my page at the Kelley School) although I may not have any useful advice. Usually those college guides I see at bookstores do.
Rod: you've lost a lot of weight. You also ran a great race considering the interruptions in training due to work and selling your house. Weight loss + more miles = better performance. Keep it going!
Sandy: here are my splits in case some of you fast jerks wonder what running a 2.5 hour half is like. Sandy humor = wry humor you she-devil of a woman
Bird: 1 second again? Can't you just lean forward or something?
Sandy, nothing tops your RRs!
csab, I'm sorry to hear you weren't impressed with Indy. Try not to think of the route as representative of all that the actual downtown has to offer, because the heart of the city is a really great place. DH and I love to visit for Colts games, concerts, running races (obviously), and just to have a night or a weekend away in the city. Great race for you, even if it was somewhat faster than you anticipated.
More replies tomorrow, but here's my RR.
If any of you haven't figured out already, I have a chronic issue with being late. It's a wonder I get anywhere that I need to be in a relatively decent fashion. So, that explains my absence from the crazy-early meet-up, even though I was up at 5am. I took my time eating my oatmeal while I studied the course map and the corral pre-race staging areas. Got ready, out the door, and walked to the 9/11 memorial, but as DH predicted, no one was there. We continued on to the A-D corrals' staging area in the park and about that time they opened the street corrals to begin preparing for the start. So I went in and just milled about looking for faces I knew were going to be there: Ted, Bo, ANT. I found someone else named Jill, so I said hi to her! Finally I heard someone say, "there she is!" and Ted, his son, and shortly after, ANT, were there. It was wonderful to meet you guys! Helped me calm down a little. I thought the moment for Boston and the song were lovely, and helped to calm me further.
I'm afraid ANT might think I'm a clingy, touchy-feely person, but I was on him like white on rice at the start! I didn't want to lose him in the crowd. We kept bumping elbows, and every time I said, "sorry" because it was probably my fault. We stayed next to each other pretty much the first 10k, when at that point, I knew I couldn't hold his pace any more, and he knew it too. Again, my humble appreciation to him for putting up with me for 6 miles! I'm thankful to him for pushing me to a great first half of my race.
I wanted to maintain my goal pace for the last half, but all that extra effort in the beginning was catching up to me. I wanted gatorade so badly, but I also didn't want a lot of liquid sloshing around in my stomach potentially causing it to cramp up. So I sipped on it at a couple stations, and took a few sips of water also. People were starting to pass me a little bit, and like csab mentioned in his RR, it is disheartening to be passed. I just kept telling myself that I'm not in a competition with them, I'm competing against myself. And also like csab, I knew you all were probably tracking me and I didn't want to bite it big time at the end and have you all see that!
I don't recall a lot from this race. I was so zoned in on what I wanted my legs, lungs, and arms to do. I do recall the obnoxious shirt-less young men. ANT, do you recall that the one had his bib on his backside and that I commented the bib said corral U? Did you hear them on the track singing the "back home again, in Indiana" song? Other than that I just tuned out everything around me so I could focus on my running.
Toward the end, when I thought I heard spectators shout out to me, I would turn my head and smile to acknowledge them. I just had to keep chugging along to maintain my pace. At 10 miles I thought, "just a 5k left." At 11 miles, I tried to imagine the last 2 miles I ran friday on that trail in town and what a great little run those 2 miles are. That image didn't last long. I'm glad they didn't post the fraction-of-a-mile banners either; it makes that stretch seem so long when they display them. I saw the footbridge ahead and I kept telling myself, "that is not the end." Once I saw the actual finish though I just made a beeline for the center of it.
I knew ANT had to be finished already but I didn't know if I'd find him. Fortunately I did, so I walked over to him where he was talking to a friend. On our way to medals and food, we chatted about the race, and family, and all the bananas! We did take a couple photos together for good times' sake! Found my DH and then said good-bye to ANT. 34 text messages were waiting for me telling me how all the other runners did! I decided I wanted a post-race massage, and let me tell you it was wonderful! Not just a massage, but the therapist stretched my legs and hips too. I think it made a huge difference in how I felt today. While I laid there, I saw via text that RF and Rod finished, and I wanted so badly to jump up and go greet them! Grabbed a chocolate milk, wasn't able to connect with RF, so DH and I walked back to the hotel which was Embassy Suites. Excellent location to the start: front doors were at the W corral! So it was a nice warm-up and cool-down walk to and from the start/finish.
(The first 6 miles' splits are probably identical to ANT's!)
I'm pretty tired now, so I'll do Random Thoughts tomorrow.
2 other things:
1. Ended up 3rd in AG and 15th female after they added in all the 5K runners with Mini bibs.
2. DH and I are registered for the full at Carmel. Figured for $37 you can't beat it!
BirdDoggin--Have a great full with your sister!
Stephanie--so did you do the second 5K?
Ami - Are you thinking of Fall for going for your half PR? Congrats on your AG placing!
Sandy - Super job and time following your full. I am glad to give you some amusement as long as you also are also amused by Ant's Oakley sunglasses purchase. I sure hope there are some sunny days in Bloomington in the coming weeks! It was great to meet you and see the famous smoker's corner on the canal.
Jill - Great race and RR! I was looking forward to meeting you--next time! I admire your focus in meeting your goal this race.
Ted - I was sorry that I didn't have an opportunity to chat more. Sandy and I took off pretty soon after you arrived. Great race!
Bo - I am happy to have this data now to see how my race really is. My husband says he can't run because of his knee, but I wonder if he could follow your example. It was great to meet you, and I am happy for you to be able to do the mini this year. Also enjoyed your RR!
Rod - What a banner week for you! Excellent taking that much time off your last half time and congrats on the house! I lost a lot of weight a few years ago and it did make a difference in my running progress. I bet you have another great race next time!
ANT - Nice to meet you! Congrats again on that PR. You were right--I still didn't know if I was racing when I started. As I mentioned in my RR, I lost some steam at the end and by feel, did a better job at digging deep when I needed to at the Hoosier Half.
casb - I am sorry the race wasn't more enjoyable, but congrats on your time!
rf - Great race--you did a little better than you expected! How is your hip today? Very cool that your nephew got a top 500 finisher medal.
Mark - I will be thinking about the Carmel all day today. Your logic makes sense but if I sign up for a full, I will train for a full and not sure if that is realistic for me.
Clay--nice fast run! How is your book?
Clint--hi! Good 7 miler!
Me--I am eager to put another run on my Garmin so probably after church. Also want to think about my plan for summer. I think my goal will be a faster half and changing up my speed workouts but I really miss those hills too.
I will update the roll call thread. Do you want me to leave a "races completed" part at the bottom or just deleted the races that have passed? I am willing to add times for anyone that wants that added internet posterity.
Edit: msol, you don't follow standard plans in your training do you?
AmiK: you did very well under the circumstances. Now you can take some time to heal up before thinking about your half in Sept. You really called on it that wind... I normally don't notice the wind when I'm training but you DO notice it when you are racing and the wind sucked.
Jill: it was exactly that guy from U and his friend. You might think your race was a blur but when you race that course again it will all come back. It's like you have a racing brain and a non-racing brain and your non-racing brain can't remember anything from races but when you race the course again it will all come back vividly. I can always remember how much I hate the track and the last mile of the mini. I can't remember anything from the IMM but every year I race that course it's the same - I hate the run up Meridian looking at Monument Circle. Where is the damn turn?
Mark: you better crack open that Pfitz book of yours... probably a bit dusty
csab: I think a lot of your negative experience was due to your early morning drive up here. I stayed in a hotel a couple of blocks from the start and everything was pretty relaxed. I can definitely see how you would like your local races better but I personally like the mini with its huge event atmosphere. I usually don't like big races because the race experience itself is not good because of the crowds but from C I was able to run my race pretty much as I wanted to. And you gotta love the super flat course
Clint: let me know which races you decide on. I have a good vibe about the Jasper race and will probably run it again but I'm not sure.
Ant--the way you pose that question makes me afraid to answer! I pulled a plan from RW for the Hoosier Half and really didn't know what to do for those 2 weeks in between races so tried to do enough running not to get sluggish and also not injure myself.
Loving the RR's! I woke up very grumpy today knowing that I should be at a race and that it was a perfect morning for a race as well. Ran 5.21 easy and am now headed off to teach yoga. I ended up not running the 2nd 5 K yesterday. It just seemed silly to drive for 2 hours just to run for less than 30 minutes. We had so much stuff to do anyway.
ANT- I always felt the same way about that last stretch at IMM. You want so badly to get to the monument but then when you get there you still have about a mile to go!
ANT: Thank you! I am planning to just run easy short runs for the next 4-6 weeks, along with Insanity for cross-training. Our Hanson program for IMM starts July 1 so I hope to be ready for that.
Stephanie: I completely understand that grumpy feeling!! I hope you get back to racing soon! I was tracking a Facebook friend at Frederick and he ran a 1:34:41...goal was sub 1:35 so he did it!!
8.08@8:25 might get a short something in later.
week-48 so far
Pretty good week considering I missed a day with my cracked shin. gonna try to get up to 55-60 next week.
Venomized-Nice race. Sorry you didnt get your goal.
Steph-You gonna take advantage of the Carmel discount for next year? Nice 5+
ANT-I am in for Jasper. I should be in pretty good shape, maybe we can work together again. Price goes up June 23. I would rather do Eville, But I just cant swing two Saturdays that close together(Its one month before IMM). I will probably run the Honest Abe 15k again in sept. should be in good shape by then. Might try for the win if a few of the speedsters dont show up.
Michelle-Hope you enjoy your new toy. I am gonna post my races in the other thread. I say leave the races completed.
ANT - I only used the phrase "fast jerks" in the most deeply admiring, sincerely respectful and bitterly jealous manner possible.
csab - I'm not into racing either, but as an Indianapolis native, the Indy 500 is so much a part of the city's identity, especially when I was growing up before the Colts/Pacers got good. To get there from downtown, the route has to go through some of the poorest neighborhoods in the city. So I understand your disappointment, but I think the Monumental Marathon in Nov. shows off the city better.
Jill - I really liked your RR too. You have great focus. Maybe I should concentrate on running instead of thinking "look at that dope over there."
Stephanie - hey, that is .21 too long I know it's tough not racing during race season, but stick to your plan and you will be back very soon.
Venom - ah, I hate it when people stop right at the mat. That's a bit scary.
Thanks for the nice words from you all, and I enjoyed the RRs very much! You got me wrong: I did enjoy the race, but I like smaller ones better. The Kentucky Derby Mini is just as flat.
BTW during the race the crowd was absolutely no issue. Corral A is right behind the elites, and there is just not enough people at my pace to pose a problem. In fact it was quite nice that I always had a few people around me; in smaller races this pace usually leaves me on no man's land by the end.
I'm very sorry if I offended anyone with my comments on Indy. Maybe a I should try a different race in the city, maybe the Monumental. How big is that?
ANT: You are probably correct that without the early morning drive it would have been much more fun, but staying in a hotel is not an option to me. DW already gives me some grief about my running obsession (10 miles a day is quite a bit of time); if I add the cost of a hotel close to the start line and the extra time ways from the family, I might need to find a hotel for permanent lodging.
Csab-I have ran the IMM and the Derby(fulls). They would definetly be more comparable. I had a terrible day at the Derby but the race is a good one. The halfs are probably equal in terms of quality. The fulls, I have to give a slight nod to IMM. The last 6ish miles of the Derby marathon are a ghost town. I also like downtown Indy slightly better. Although I Louisville is nice. The Derby beginning is a little less crowded than IMM. Although neither is a big deal, probably less for a speedster like you.
I have never ran the 500 cause I dont like hugh crowds either. One day I will, cause I like to experience everything at least once. Congrats on a smokin fast time.
I am in for Carmel next year. Yahooooooo!
It sure is a lovely day here today!! If I hadn't run 13.1 yesterday I would want to go running today!! My legs however have a different opinion so I'll just enjoy the day without a run. I'll likely do a short easy one tomorrow; just a little walking today and getting some work done at the office without interruptions Plus, I wanted to come out here to upload my garmin data which I'll copy below, ugly as it is. I am sore today, but not "walking funny" sore; I wasn't sure what to expect when I got out of bed this morning. I was so incredibly tired last night I was in bed by 10:15 and didn't even open my eyes until 9am this morning. I'm actually still tired but right now a nap is not on the agenda. I think my quads are the most sore of anything.
Yesterday was pretty much a reality slap in the face of where I am fitness wise I guess, so I obviously have a LOT of work to do.....it's days like yesterday that make me feel like it will be years, if ever that I'm chasing that stupid sub-2....things really didn't feel that bad yesterday and being so familiar with the course mentally helped when things didn't feel that easy. Here's the garmin stuff:
Avg Pace
I knew the first mile would be too fast so I pretty much blew that one off....by mile 3 it didn't feel that bad but I knew there was no way I could hold that pace the whole way. I felt decent all the way to the speedway but somewhere after the 10k is when it all started to catch up....that hip impingement was aching pretty bad, I was getting pretty warm so I peeled off my arm warmers and stuffed them into my pants and when I saw my pace at mile 7 did the mental math and figured about a 2:10ish finish if things didn't completely fall apart in the last half like they usually do......this being the 4th time I've run this race I can tell you something happens to me mentally and physically from mile 10-12 that kills me every freaking time....I've got to get that figured out.....anyway there was a HUGE bottleneck of people coming out of the track that really slowed me down of people stopping, trying to decide if they wanted to stop, etc. and this year particularly if I had to slow down it was a LOT harder to get going again......everything after that is kind of a blur except I was still dreading the mile 11-12 mark where I always have problems....it was then I noticed the billboard that said, "need help? ask God..." well okay..........still that mile was just downright ugly....I felt like I was trying to run through a huge bowl of jello; I had eaten a few of my chomps along the way but the though of eating another one sounded disgusting and I knew at that point it wouldn't help anyway so I took a couple sips of nasty gatorade at the station before mile 12. I always settle back down at mile 12 since I can see the bridge and know the finish is near, however, that's always the longest freakin' mile in the world....I also remembered that stupid footbridge is NOT the finish, I couldn't even see the finish for all the people in front of me until I was probably w/in the last .1......as I got close my family and friends were right there with signs screaming so I got to wave at them I had been following a girl wearing wonder woman socks almost the whole race...they had little capes on them They made me chuckle the whole time so I tried to stay somewhere within sight of her the whole way but I think she must have faded in the last mile because I lost her.....wonder woman socks will never know how she amused me for 12 miles When I got into the park the first thing I did was look at my nephew's neck to see what medal he had!! He had it!!!! I started screaming and jumping up and down like an idiot hugging him...I'm sure he was embarrassed but I didn't care I'll probably change my avatar to this yrs. pic once I upload it from my phone.
All said and done I also love this race....I grew up in Speedway and yes, it's one of the ugliest courses ever, but I still love it!! Right now I have no plans for a fall half or any half until I feel like I can get back to a more respectable pace. I'll catch up more later, but I wanted to post the race details. Enjoy the day everybody
4 'easy' miles on the TM while watching the Red Devils (Manchester United) lose this morning. Had a couple of mental rough patches, but got thru them and finished at my slow/steady pace with no walking. Signing up for the Carmel Marathon today since it's only $37 through today.... however, I reserve the right to switch to the HM if lack of mileage dictates such... will let you know next April!
I loved all the RR's, they really got my juices flowing. Congrats again to EVERYONE for their great races.... After reading the RR's, I honestly can't think of 1 person who had a bad race considering their circumstances and given the slightly warm temps and wind. You all did very well and I'm proud to be in the same thread with you all. You have inspired me to go basically from Zero to Half at the Monumental, starting today. Also, I think Runner's World should hire Sandy to run a couple of races per month and write her RR's for them online and to put in their magazine... so much more interesting than the crap they currently publish.... hence me letting my subscription expire with no thoughts of renewing it. I strongly prefer Running Times.
p.s. Just signed up for the Carmel Full.... again, reserving the right to drop to the HM if necessary.
Rod, not sure you could check up on me at the Y since you go so early. I generally don't get there til after I drop my son off at school. Maybe we'll figure out how to meet over there once in a while for a workout and/or meet up for some runs since we'll only live a few miles apart (my neighborhood is a couple of minutes from the Post Rd. exit off I-74).... that is, if you don't mind slowing down a little for me!
AmiK, congrats on the AG podium! I am signing up for Carmel's Full for the same reason.
Michelle, there's nothing like a new Garmin!! I got a new one last year (310xt) for my Bday and I still love its awesomeness!
ANT, just yesterday I reorganized the location of the Pfitz and Hanson books on my running bookshelf.... I know what I'm doing for now (3 days per week with 3-5 mi. each plus my usual s/t and cardio at the Y)... I plan to slowly introduce running days 4/5/6 as appropriate and will hopefully be able to complete a decent HM plan for the Monumental..... if all that goes perfectly, I'll hopefully continue into Marathon base building after IMM and then either a Pfitz or Hanson plan for Carmel... that's my next year in a nutshell
Steph, I felt weird on the morning of Carmel... it was my 1st DNS... so I know what you mean.
V, I hate it when people stop right after the finish line. Glad nobody got hurt.
Clint, nice 8+... your rain made it here today. You in for the Carmel Full I'm assuming? Are you in for Monumental or still undecided? Or did I miss your announcement?
Sandy, you are the QUEEN of RR's and I deeply respect you for that! Like I wrote above, I wish you'd race every week so we'd get to read your brilliant thoughts!
Also, I think of the others as FAST JERKS the same way as you do!!
Csab, I think the Monumental takes us through an immensely nicer part of Indy and is much more pleasant to run through. I like running around the track during the Mini,,, but, other than that, I prefer the Monumental course... and the crowd is significantly smaller at IMM, which I prefer as well. Obviously, both are great races, just different strokes for different folks.
RF, I know you think those splits are slow and ugly... but, there's a few of us on here who have NEVER run a race that FAST...
The roll call thread is awaiting moderation. Not sure why. Hope I didn't break any rules!
Michelle, not sure what's going on, but the roll call thread is currently not showing up for me... I'm guessing it's probably just a software glitch.
Mark--maybe. Scared me enough though! It helped us cheer one another on for the mini, so good enough.
Michelle - I read over the forum rules, and the roll call thread doesn't come close to violating any of them. I don't know what the problem is. They do have a rule against advertising teams/races. Maybe they thought it might be something like that. But if they review the thread, they should figure out it does nothing but help us keep track of each other. And no, we aren't really "stalking" each other either.
I'm sure it will be sorted out soon.
Clint, check your PM's.... errr... dialogues??
Mark / Clint--the thread is back. Must have been a glitch!
Cool... I posted in there that I'm doing IMM Half.
BTW, Jill/others, any Star Wars peeps at the Mini as Jill was hoping?
Since I'm more into Scotch/Bourbon than Star Wars and today is May 5th... wellll...
May the 5th be with you
Also, to our Tequila and Dos Equis fans, happy Cinco de Mayo.
Mark - I did see a lady working a water station somewhere wearing a darth vader head....there were actually people stopping to take pics w/ her..... Haha on the 5th.....
I'm in for the Carmel half! I couldn't pass up $30, well really, $33 and change after Get Registered took their pound of flesh, but still a good deal.
Csab - I won't try to speak for everyone, but no offense taken at all. The Mini course is not pretty. I enjoy it, but certainly not for the scenery. Given your circumstances of travel and all, I probably wouldn't run it either. As far as the Monumental goes, the full marathon goes through some very beautiful old neighborhoods, but the half isn't nearly as nice. It ain't bad, but it cuts back to downtown before getting into the nice parts. On the plus side, both races are pretty flat, well supported, and not nearly as large as the Mini (though, it keeps getting bigger every year).


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Human trafficking is a modern form of slavery. It involves controlling a person through force, fraud, or coercion to exploit the victim for forced labor, sexual exploitation, or both. Human trafficking strips victims of their freedom and violates our nation's promise that every person in the United States is guaranteed basic human rights. It is also a crime.
Approximately three out of every 1,000 persons worldwide were in forced labor at any given point in time between 2002 and 2011. Victims of human trafficking include not only men and women lured into forced labor by the promise of a better life in the United States, but also boys and girls who were born and raised here in California.
Victims of human trafficking represent a range of backgrounds in terms of age, nationality, socioeconomic status, and education, but one characteristic that they usually share is some form of vulnerability. They are often isolated from their families and social networks. In some cases, victims are separated from their country of origin, native language, and culture.
Victims who are undocumented immigrants often do not report abuses to the authorities out of distrust of law enforcement, and/or fear of arrest, injury to family members, deportation, or other serious reprisals. Many domestic victims of sex trafficking are underage runaways and/or come from backgrounds of sexual and physical abuse, incest, poverty, or addiction.
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The California Legislature defined human trafficking as "all acts involved in the recruitment, abduction, transport, harboring, transfer, sale or receipt of persons, within national or across international borders, through force, coercion, fraud or deception, to place persons in situations of slavery or slavery-like conditions, forced labor or services, such as forced prostitution or sexual services, domestic servitude, bonded sweatshop labor, or other debt bondage."
As codified in the California Penal Code, anyone who "deprives or violates the personal liberty of another with the intent . . . to obtain forced labor or services" is guilty of human trafficking. Depriving or violating a person's liberty includes "substantial and sustained restriction of another's liberty accomplished through fraud, deceit, coercion, violence, duress, menace, or threat of unlawful injury to the victim or to another person, under circumstances where the person receiving or apprehending the threat reasonably believes that it is likely that the person making the threat would carry it out."
Forced labor or services include "labor or services that are performed or provided by a person and are obtained or maintained through force, fraud, or coercion, or equivalent conduct that would reasonably overbear the will of the person."
Federal law defines trafficking in persons as "sex trafficking in which a commercial sex act is induced by force, fraud, or coercion, or in which the person induced to perform such act has not attained 18 years of age"; or "the recruitment, harboring, transportation, provision, or obtaining of a person for labor or services through the use of force, fraud, or coercion for the purpose of subjection to involuntary servitude, peonage, debt bondage, or slavery."
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Though they are often confused, human trafficking and smuggling are separate and fundamentally different crimes. Human trafficking is a crime against the person whereas smuggling is a crime against the state. Smuggling occurs when a person voluntarily requests or hires a person, known as a smuggler, to transport him or her across a border for a fee.
At least theoretically, a person who is smuggled into the United States is free to leave upon payment of a prearranged fee, while a victim of human trafficking is enslaved to supply labor or services. Unlike smuggling, the crime of human trafficking does not require travel or transportation of the victim across borders. Thus, human trafficking can (and does) occur domestically, with victims who are born and raised in California and other states.
Human Trafficking in the United States
The United States is widely regarded as a destination country for human trafficking. Federal reports estimate that 14,500 to 17,500 victims are trafficked into the United States annually. This does not include the number of victims who are trafficked within the United States each year.
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Sex Trafficking
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A young couple have been dealt a devastating double blow after discovering their daughter and unborn baby both have a fatal premature ageing syndrome.
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Today, globally engaged exhibiting of Asian art involves challenges never imagined when our museums and disciplines were established. Why does the aura of objects remain important in an era of virtual learning? What is the impact of 24/7 exhibition cycles on curators? Why is it urgent to reexamine the historical roots of current collections and intellectual frameworks? How do museums present objects as simultaneously "icons" and "artworks"? Who interprets Asian art? Answers to these and other pressing questions will be explored in talks delivered by leading experts in the field.
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To mark the 75th anniversary of Kristallnacht, composer Samuel Adler's Stars in the Dust cantata will be performed at a Penn Valley synagogue today.
One could argue that music — or, quite literally, an instrument — saved composer Samuel Adler's life when he and his father were trapped in a synagogue a few days after Kristallnacht in 1938 in Mannheim, Germany.
Adler, then 10 years old, accompanied his father to their synagogue, which had been badly damaged during the nearly two-day pogrom in which Nazis throughout the country destroyed houses of worship along with Jewish homes and businesses.
Hugo Chaim Adler, who had served as the synagogue's cantor, wanted to rescue the traditional German-Jewish music stored there. While on the third floor collecting the documents — father and son had snuck in through an underground tunnel — the young boy sneezed because of all the dust.
There were Nazis on the premises and when one of them heard the noise, he ordered others to investigate and to "shoot on sight," Samuel Adler recalled in a recent interview.
But as the soldiers climbed the stairs, a large organ from the choir loft fell on them, allowing the Adlers to escape by way of the tunnel — with piles of sheet music. The Adler family eventually got out of Germany, making sure the music came with them to America.
"That the organ fell at that moment, when they were going to go upstairs and shoot us, is what is so miraculous," said Adler, now 85, who has composed more than 400 works of music.
On the 75th anniversary of that traumatic event, Adler, a member of the American Classical Music Hall of Fame, will once again honor his father by showing that the music for which he risked his life remains alive.
Adler's Stars in the Dust cantata — which mixes melodies from traditional German-Jewish music, ancient Jewish songs, American pop tunes and music associated with the Nazi regime — will be performed on Nov. 10 at Har Zion Temple in Penn Valley. Jonathan Coopersmith, the chair of musical studies at the Curtis Institute of Music, will conduct the performance, which will feature members of the Philadelphia Orchestra and the Philadelphia Singers.
In the piece, Adler places the demise of the once-vibrant German-Jewish life, which he portrays through the melodies of "Ki Mitziyon" and other prayers in larger context. He makes lyrical and melodic references to the destruction of the First Temple in Jerusalem (the sound of a shofar); the West's apathy to what was happening in 1930s Europe (with the political jingle "Wintergreen for President"); and the Nazis' efforts to eradicate Jewish life (the melody of "Ein Keloheinu" intertwined with the German national anthem, "Deutschland, Deutschland Uber Alles").
The cantata, which Adler composed with the late Samuel Rosenbaum, a cantor in Rochester, N.Y., for the 50th anniversary of Kristallnacht, concludes with the narrator asking "What are we to learn from Kristallnacht?" Adler's continuing faith in God and his optimistic view of building a future despite the Nazis are revealed in the finals words of Stars in the Dust: "Let there be born again by your word a new dawn, a new hope, a new song, a new day without night!"
"I'm always a person that likes to have reconciliation," said Adler, who will be in attendance at Har Zion. In the composition, he said, he shows "that since we're still alive, we have to praise God."
After leaving Germany, Adler's family settled in Worcester, Mass., where his father spent 17 years as a cantor. The son then followed his father into music, attending Boston and Harvard universities and learning from luminaires such as composer Aaron Copland. He has spent his career creating both secular and liturgical music.
When a dozen synagogues from the United States approached Adler about writing a piece to commemorate Kristallnacht 25 years ago, the musician said he was wary of accepting the offer.
"I've always felt that music and the Holocaust don't do well together, but since I actually was there and had a great deal of anxiety and fright from the Kristallnacht," he said, he decided to do it.
Eliot Vogel, Har Zion's cantor, was part of the group that originally commissioned Adler to write the piece and led efforts to organize the upcoming concert.
"I think that observing Kristallnacht should bring one to an attitude of wanting to work to preserve our freedom," Vogel said. "Because freedom, like glass, is fragile and it can't be left unguarded."
Vogel, who will sing the baritone solo during the performance, described Adler's piece as "a memorial to the precious legacy he received from his father." Of the composer, he said "he's a very optimistic person. He's very humanitarian. There's no bitterness; there's no melancholy in this work."


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SHANDAKEN, N.Y. -- A multifamily home on state Route 42 went up in flames Wednesday afternoon, leaving its occupants homeless and only charred remains of the building in its wake, according to the Phoenicia fire chief.
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Gary Carr said some 70 firefighters from about 10 companies battled the blaze, which was reported at 2:27 p.m., but that the building was destroyed.
Carr said the three-story building at 560 Route 42 was fully involved when the first firefighters arrived He said people who were inside had gotten out and no one was hurt.
Carr said the building was divided into apartments and that a total of three people lived there. He wasn't sure of the number of units.
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It began in Berlin in 1997, with the city's museums staying open until midnight one day in May. And since then, the Night of Museums has become a fixture in over 120 European cities. The idea is simple: keep museums open late, and free of charge, once a year.
With its 150-something museums, it's no surprise that Paris has become the star of the initiative. If you're a lover the arts, you're likely a lover of Paris already – so what better way to experience the work of your favorite artists than a moonlit evening with like-minded culture lovers?
This saturday, May 17, is your chance to see Paris in a different light. The schedule is vast; so plan ahead of time to make sure you get to the shows you want to see. It's a great chance to make that pilgrimage to the Louvre to see the Mona Lisa, or to check out the Musee d'Art Moderne, home to works by artists such as Warhol, Picasso and Duchamp. If you're feeling more adventurous, why not take a stroll off the beaten tourist path and test out something different. La nuit des musées is a great opportunity to explore the unknown, as many smaller museums put on special showcases. We've picked a few highlights to help you get started:
For music lovers, the Musee de la vie Romantique is showcasing a 17th century musical from 8pm, and the Goethe Institut is offering a free jazz concert and guided tours. Elsewhere, you'll find the sounds of the East at the Centre Culturel du Vietnam, accompanied by a photography exhibition.
If you're a film buff, you'll enjoy The Imaginary Museum of Henri Langlois exhibition at the Cinemathèque, with shows beginning at 7:30 and 8:30.
The Musée d'Orsay invites visitors to explore the theme of dance through the paintings in its vast collection in collaboration with the Théâtre National de Chaillot. From Renoir to Degas, you can explore the museum while dancers perform throughout the galleries.
The exquisite sculpture garden at the Musée Rodin draws thousands of visitors to Paris every year. For one night only, the beautiful bronzes will be illuminated in all their splendour, giving a unique perspective on the work of the master artist.
If you can't get to Paris this weekend, other European cities get in on the act throughout the year. Dubrovnik honors this new tradition every January; and Florence in July. If you're heading to Barcelona, the event is also this weekend, with over 62 participating museums taking part.
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What and where is paravertebral soft tissue? My report reads_ "There are pedical screws at L3 and L4 and previous L3 and L4 laminectomies. The right pedical screw at L3 level does not traverse the pedicle but passes lateral to the pedical into the right paravertebral soft tissues.
What damage can the screw cause with the soft tissue and exactly what and where at vertebrae is this tissue. I suffer from terrible pain from between shoulder blades on spine to bottom of tailbone and knife stabbing pain from above hip on right and rips through buttocks and terrible pain in right thigh. This causes imbalance and unable to walk. Thank you for your answer if possible. I will be going to a new doctor and need to properly discuss this with him and make sense when I do. Current DR. has not!
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The Arizona Diamondbacks have placed second baseman Aaron Hill on the 15-day disabled list because of a broken left hand, the team announced Tuesday. He is expected to miss four to six weeks.
Hill is hitting .306/.405/.556 with two homers, six RBIs and five runs in 10 games this season. He suffered the injury Sunday.
"I was very disappointed (Monday) when I learned the extent of my hand injury," Hill said. "I am going to take some time off from baseball activities to let the break heal before starting the rehab process. I am committed to do everything in my power to return to the lineup as soon as possible."
Diamondbacks general manager Kevin Towers also expressed disappointment in losing the 2012 NL Silver Slugger.
"It is really unfortunate to lose not only a talented baseball player but a tremendous teammate in Aaron Hill for the near future," Towers said. "We are confident that the depth we have in the middle infield will serve us well while Aaron recovers."
That depth will include 23-year-old infield prospect Didi Gregorius, who was recalled on Tuesday to replace Hill on Arizona's 25-man roster.
Gregorius, acquired in the three-team trade that sent Trevor Bauer from Arizona to the Cleveland Indians this past offseason, was hitting .387/.424/.645 in seven games for Class AAA Reno this season.


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"Technology is rapidly changing the way the consumer researches and shops, especially when it comes to caring for their pets," said David Lenhardt, president and COO, PetSmart. "Through our strategic partnership with GSI Commerce, we are building the capabilities to allow our customers to shop anywhere, any way and any time they choose."
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The Chevrolet Silverado 1500 pickup truck has been redesigned for 2014. It offers the best fuel economy of any V-8 pickup on the market, getting 23 mpg on the highway, according to EPA estimates. The 355-horsepower 5.3-liter EcoTec3 V-8 achieves this fuel economy, thanks to cylinder deactivation technology where it seamlessly switches to operating on four cylinders during light-load driving to save on gas.
The award is given by a group of 49 automotive journalists from the U.S. and Canada and is financed solely from jurors' dues. The group initially considers all cars that are brand new or substantially redesigned for the 2014. The Silverado was last named North American Truck of the Year in 2007.
This is the fourth time that a General Motors branded truck has won in the history of the award. Domestic automakers have won the award 14 times, while Japanese automakers have won four times and European automakers have received the honor three times.
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HERCULES — The new owner of ill-fated Market Hall is throwing cold water at the notion that the 6.62-acre tract in the crook of a freeway onramp might become a signature New Urbanist mixed-use project.
Palo Alto-based McNellis Partners is looking at a single-story retail complex with surface parking, possibly anchored by a CVS or Walgreens drugstore, and with a gastronomic component such as Applebee's, Buffalo Wild Wings or IHOP, principal John McNellis and broker Deborah Perry told a town hall gathering at the Senior Center earlier this month.
To some audience consternation, McNellis explained that Hercules and its environs lack the population density to support more retail space at the site, bounded by Sycamore Avenue, San Pablo Avenue, John Muir Parkway and Interstate 80.
"The Central Hercules Plan is a lovely plan, but it won't work," McNellis said. The plan, available on the city website at http://www.ci.hercules.ca.us/index.aspx?page=197, shows three- and four-story buildings at the site, with ground-floor retail and "offices, residences, or lodging on upper floors."
At the senior center gathering, some residents accused McNellis of being dismissive of their vision; others chastised him for what they described as a "suburban" planning philosophy. Many had previously criticized plans elsewhere in Hercules for what they said was insufficient provision for retail; examples are downscaled retail plans for the ground floor of the nearby Sycamore North/Town Centrale building, and plans for homes instead of stores at the site known as Parcel C along John Muir Parkway.
McNellis warned that building too much retail space would result in unleased, vacant storefronts.
" 'Field of Dreams' is a sweet movie," he said, "but 'Build it, and they will come' is not a formula for financial success."
Other possible uses at Market Hall, McNellis said, could include a fitness center. Suggestions from the audience included a See's Candies store, a brew pub and restaurants like Pasta Pomodoro or Macaroni Grill.
If current plans for a Safeway store fall through at Sycamore Crossing, a large tract kitty-corner from Market Hall, Safeway could locate at Market Hall as an alternative, McNellis suggested. But City Manager Steve Duran said later by email that Sycamore Crossing is Safeway's first choice and that if it had wanted Market Hall, it could have had it long ago.
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with the departure of Harrison, im dreaming of Ansah falling to us. any hope?
with the departure of Harrison, im dreaming of Ansah falling to us. any hope?
2 scenarios. One in which Mahommes is available to us at 1/30 (hoping but not likely) and the second in which he is not.
1) Pat Mahommes-QB-TT 1) Tak McKinley-OLB-UCLA
2) Jordan Willis-OLB-K.St. 2) Fabian Moreau-DB-UCLA
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Nope, I don't think it will, though I didn't see DeCastro falling to us last year either. But this year, DE/OLB's seem to be in premium demand, so I thin the chances are nil.
You never know... I hope he does because I think the Steelers wouldn't hesitate to pull the trigger at 17.
Unless someone rated in the top 10 at a position of need falls, I'd love to trade down as it seems so many players are rated "end of 1st" to "2nd round" talent.
i wish we could talk Miami into trading us their two 2nd's and a 4th for pick 17.
I would take Dion Jordan if he was at #17...
Even if Bill Belichick was getting an atomic wedgie, his face would look exactly the same.
every mock I have seen lately has Ansah going in the Top-10 selections.
If so, I bet someone trades up to 16 to take him.
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In California, the Supreme Court's ruling on Proposition 8 means that marriage for same-sex couples may resume in about a month, although there remain some legal avenues for those who oppose gay marriage to challenge whether it applies to all California residents.
The court avoided a ruling on the merits of Prop 8, saying that both the Supreme Court and a federal appeals court lacked jurisdiction to hear the case. That means a federal district court's ruling striking down Prop 8 stands.
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So far, no county clerks have said they will do that, but the original proponents of the Prop 8 ban have in the past said they will use available legal means to limit the scope of any ruling that wasn't in their favor.
ProtectMarriage.com, the group that defended Prop 8 at the Supreme Court and put it on the California ballot, vowed to keep fighting in the courts to limit the scope of the court's judgment. "Our legal team is studying this closely and assessing what options we may have. We won't know for some time what those options might be," said ProtectMarriage general counsel Andy Pugno in a call with reporters.
But he suggested there were still legal avenues for Prop 8 to remain in effect in a conflict between California and federal law. "In ruling the way the court did, the court has completely vacated and nullified the 9th Circuit's decision in this case," said Mr. Pugno. But state law, he said, requires officials to enforce a law "until there is an appellate court decision declaring it unconstitutional." Judge Vaughn Walker's original 2010 district court ruling may not be sufficient, he said.
California Attorney General Kamala Harris's office declined to comment on Mr. Pugno's statement. But earlier in the day, she said the Supreme Court ruling means that "every county in the state of California must now recognize the right of same sex couples to legally marry."
Ms. Harris said that marriages will resume in the state as soon as the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals lifts its stay on an earlier ruling overturning the proposition that banned gay marriage. She issued a legal letter to California's Gov. Jerry Brown saying the state "can and should instruct county officials that when the district court's injunction goes into effect, they must resume issuing marriage licenses to and recording the marriages of same-sex couples."
Ms. Harris said she is urging the Ninth Circuit to lift the stay immediately, rather than wait its standard 25 days. The moment that happens, she said, "Wedding bells will ring."
Before a group of reporters, Ms. Harris said "today represents a great day for California, it represents a great day for the United States." Ms. Harris said if county clerks don't abide by the law her office will "take legal action" to make sure they perform same-sex weddings.
In the city and county of San Francisco, which has a history of pushing to perform gay marriage, city attorney Dennis Herrera said he would move to enforce gay marriage throughout California should another county dispute the ruling's statewide application. "Given arguments that Prop 8′s proponents have consistently advanced, my office is prepared to litigate immediately against any effort to limit or delay the restoration of marriage equality for all Californians," Mr. Herrera said in a statement.
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A favorite Cleveland family tradition, the Cleveland Museum of Art's Parade the Circle returns for the 25th year on June 14 at noon.
This year's theme, Recologia Desigual, Never Odd or Even, celebrates the inspiration of creativity, global awareness and community spirit in three cities: Cleveland, San Francisco, California and Ibiza, Spain.
"In developing the theme I was intrigued by the synchronicity of these three unique creative enterprises all evolving simultaneously in such wide ranging parts of the globe." said Robin VanLear, Parade the Circle founder and the museum's director of community arts.
In celebration of the 25th Parade the Circle, the museum will host a special exhibition highlighting artists, techniques and ensembles from past Parades. The exhibition will be on view in the Susan M. Kaesgen Education Gallery and Lobby on the museum's classroom level May 31 to August 3 with displays in the Ames Family Atrium from June 2 to June 18.
"This exhibition, celebrating 25 years of the Cleveland Museum of Art's Parade the Circle, will offer viewers an opportunity both to witness the artistic growth of this popular event as well as better understand the significance of this Cleveland treasure within the international world of Celebration Art," added Robin VanLear.
The 25th annual Parade the Circle will feature 10 guest artists, all of whom have participated in past Parades: Gerald Abt, Pedro Adorno accompanied by members of his performance company, Aqua, Sol y Sereno, Kelvin Keli Cadiz, Anne Cubberly, Robyn Einhorn, Liza Goodell, Abby Maier Johnson, Allison Murray, Jill VanOrden and Rudolph "Murphy" Winters.
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Simple question. Is he able to be moved for fair value. What is fair value and what teams would want him.
JO and a pick to Jersey for Vinsanity?
Portland might want him back.
Maybe they bite if we offer JO/Tinlsey/Harrison/Greene for Aldridge/Jack/Magloire/LaFrentz.
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Some things to consider if Jermaine is traded.
His value is probably much lower than you think.
- Injury Prone
- Overpaid (paid as a top 10 player, not a top 10 player)
How many teams would be able to give the Pacers what they want while matching Jermaine's salary?
Maybe Theo Ratlif, Al Jefferson or Kendrick Perkins, cash and possiably Tony Allen for Jermaine?
PJ Brown, Luol Deng or Ben Gordon, Mike Sweetney, and cash. But would the the Pacers be willing to give the Bulls the piece they may need to win a championship this year? IDK about that.
I actually like what they could possiably offer. Pau, Miller, Jones, Warrick. I would be estatic if we got Warrick for O'Neal. Warrick has played well this year and his game is perfect for the way we want to play.
Would they deal Lamar Odom for Jermaine? IDK. It depends what they want. Do they want a more versatile player or do they want a low post scorer? But Odom/Mihm would probably get a deal done.
I think that if Jermaine is traded many would be suprised at what we would get for Jermaine. If Jermaine had good value he probably would not be a Pacer right now.
How about Golden state I like it but I am sure I would be in the minority
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I like J-Rich a good guy and a SG that can shoot and I like Murphy with Al because I think they would complement each other well.
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We would get a better, although equally frequent injured as Tinjury, PG and a better SG. Murphy is like Foster but with a good shooting touch so he could indeed compliment Al.
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golden state would laugh so hard at that trade
*removed* Just keep politics and religion completely out of it, please.
I go on the Golden State board quite a bit and the trade I stated is liked by many of the members on it. I don't think they would do the one with BD in it and they do love J-Rich but they would love to get JO. Petrius is filler he could be sub'd for Zarco? its just a expiring contract. But I really don't see us moving JO.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I think we can certainly get value for him, expecially close to the trade deadline to a team that thinks he's the missing piece to their championship run. Chicago, Golden State both fit this profile. However, just like with Dale Davis, we'll be rolling the dice a little bit, getting back a pick or two, young talent, and probably some sort of atrocious contract. His willingness to block shots and score less will actually help his trade value immensely, believe it or not. Also, staying healthy till the deadline will increase his value quite a bit.


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