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When I said, "And if life can't arise spontaneously, we obviously didn't evolve," I meant we had to be created to get here. Most people don't separate the two.
So both you and Kstat's problem is with the Bible's account of creation? Is that right? Or do you differ from Kstat?
.....because the earth was most likely around long before life appeared, and it coincided with major events and changes to the Earth itself, all of which were fully explainable through science. Earth was originally incapable of supporting any sort of life, until it was.
Likewise, saying we haven't found life anywhere yet in the universe is like me never leaving my bedroom and concluding I'm the only human on earth because I don't see any people when I look out of my window, just houses and lights.
We can detect millions of planets, but that doesn't mean we can detect life on them.
As you said yourself, life can't be created from nothing. Actually, nothing can. So it stands to reason that whenever the universe was formed, life formed with it. It didn't just manifest via god magic. Following that logic, since the earth was around long before life on earth, it had to come from somewhere else.
There's no logical reason to believe in god magic causing us to spontaneously manifest on earth, other than really wanting to believe it. It requires a complete suspension of disbelief. As bearbugs made very clear, it's for people who would prefer to let a storybook do their thinking for them.
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It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.
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And to be clear, Christianity is not on trial here. But genesis simply cannot be taken seriously as it applies to this thread. There is absolutely no science to support it. There isn't even any logic to support it. It's a fairy tale.
It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.
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Fair enough, but although we can't detect life on other planets there are still ways of detecting signs of life. Civilization at least as we know it is noisy, and we can detect noisy patterns at a great distance. Another point is if there was life created before us, wouldn't they know more than us, and be able to detect us? No one has contacted us, which would also lend credence to us being created first.Likewise, saying we haven't found life anywhere yet in the universe is like me never leaving my bedroom and concluding I'm the only human on earth because I don't see any people when I look out of my window, just houses and lights.
We can detect millions of planets, but that doesn't mean we can detect life on them.
I have no problem with the Bible's account of creation, on a story-telling level.
I like the Star Wars books too. I am not inclined to ask the teachers in schools to teach kids to speak Wookie though. I know that sounds flippant, and I don't want to be, since for all I know some relatively fine men wrote down the books of the Bible. The problem is that people have for centuries gotten all wrapped up in those words as being some sort of immutable truths that justify all sorts of beliefs, from women being inherently inferior to men, to slavery being justifiable, to the Earth being flat, to the Earth revolving around the sun, and yes to the Earth being of a certain age. Throughout history we have discarded many of these concepts because we didn't turn off our brains and decide to blindly swear to uphold some words on a page.
If you talk to Christians in Rome, London, Berlin, Dublin, and elsewhere you likely can have an intelligent conversation with them about evolutionary theory, which they generally accept. They seem to be incredulous about the inability of Americans to come to terms with evolutionary theory. Of course they are hardly our peers in scientific education, being more than a bit above us in that regard. Our peers, in terms of education of the general public before age 18 in the sciences, are places like Uganda, North Korea, and Iran.
The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).
There's nothing mysterious of prophetic about that. All it says is that the earth was made and then life put on earth. It would sound silly if you wrote it the other way around.
By the way, it also says the earth was created before anything else, which is laughable. Though I suppose a few thousand years ago it made sense for humans to believe that they were gods, and lived in the center of the universe. It makes no sense to believe that now.
All life doesn't grow or evolve at the same rate. Life on earth grows and dies as the climate allows it to. The evolution of life on earth was moving along at a snail's pace until the climate stabilized. It's no different than humanity growing rapidly as a species once their diet improved.
Given that earth has been human-free for roughly 99.9999% of its existence, and we've come this far in such an absurdly short time, I fail to see why such importance is being put on the here and now. There may be complex sentient life well out of our detection, and there may be much older, primitive life in our backyard. All we can logically assume is that we're the only life in our solar system of a handful of planets.....in a universe of trillions of them.
Maybe in another million years, we'll have colonized the galaxy...or maybe in a thousand years another event will have wiped us off of the earth like the dinosaurs, and another species on another planet will be wondering if they're the only ones out there.
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The Catholic Church's stance
Vatican Holds Conference on Extraterrestrial Life
by Nicholos Wethington on November 10, 2009
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Though it may seem an unlikely location to happen upon a conference on astrobiology, the Vatican recently held a "study week" of over 30 astronomers, biologists, geologists and religious leaders to discuss the question of the existence of extraterrestrials. This follows the statement made last year by the Pope's chief astronomer, Father Gabriel Funes, that the existence of extraterrestrials does not preclude a belief in God, and that it's a question to be explored by the Catholic Church. The event, put on by the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, took place at the Casina Pio IV on the Vatican grounds from November 6-11.
The conference was meant to focus on the scientific perspective on the subject of the existence of extraterrestrial life, and pulled in perspectives from atheist scientists and Catholic leaders alike. It was split into eight different segments, starting with a topics about life here on Earth such as the origins of life, the Earth's habitability through time, and the environment and genomes. Then the detection of life elsewhere, search strategies for extrasolar planets, the formation and properties of extrasolar planets was discussed, culminating in the last segment, intelligence elsewhere and 'shadow life' – life with a biochemistry completely different than that found on Earth.
Speakers at the event included notable physicist Paul Davies and Jill C. Tarter, the Director of the Center for SETI Research. Numerous astrobiologists and astronomers researching extrasolar planets also were in attendance to give lectures. The whole series of speech abstracts and a list of participants is available in a brochure on the Vatican site, here.
The event was held to mark the International Year of Astronomy, and the participants hope to collect the lectures into a book. Father Gabriel Funes, the chief astronomer of the Vatican, said in an interview to the Vatican paper, Osservatore Romano last year:
"Just like there is an abundance of creatures on earth, there could also be other beings, even intelligent ones, that were created by God. That doesn't contradict our faith, because we cannot put boundaries to God's creative freedom. As saint Francis would say, when we consider the earthly creatures to be our "brothers and sisters", why couldn't we also talk about a "extraterrestrial brother"? He would still be part of creation."
Even with the discovery of over 400 exoplanets, the question of extraterrestrial life still remains to be answered in our own Solar System. It is a pertinent question for the religious and non-religious alike. Though it wasn't answered at this most recent conference, the existence of life outside what we know here on Earth has an equal impact on the findings of science as it does the meaning of religion. This event certainly brought the two under the same roof for what were surely some interesting and fruitful conversations.
Source: Physorg, Pontifical Academy of Sciences
Read more: http://www.universetoday.com/44713/v...#ixzz2StLwEO7A
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Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.
This argument breaks down into two very basic elements. The people who are determined to quote the Bible will never believe in evolution or anything that contradicts Genesis. Facts and evidence are meaningless to them. The people who do believe in evolution have looked at the evidence in the fossil record and observations of life on the planet right now and they can see evolution at work. Facts and evidence do matter to that group. Some of the first group will bend evolution to fit in their religious views. Some of the former will modify their religious ideas to fit the facts of evolution.
No meeting of the minds will ever occur. The best that can happen is that they accept their differences. The world has already accepted evolution and rejected divine intervention except among religious fanatics.
Some of your comments are needlessly inflammatory. At the very least they sound put-downish and judgemental. You lose credibility points for this.
Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.
I add this because other article about extraterrestrial life seems to muddle the fact that the Vatican has declared that they believe evolutionary theory is wholly consistent with the Christian faith. I agree.
Evolution, not intelligent design, is fundamental Catholic teaching, Vatican Observatory director says
This in my experience is a position now widely-held by Christians world-wide (with many Americans excluded from the consensus)Christianity... is not best described by the "crude creationism" of the fundamental, literal, scientific interpretation of Genesis or by the Newtonian dictatorial God who makes the universe tick along like a watch. Rather, he stresses, God acts as a parent toward the universe, nurturing, encouraging and working with it.
In his remarks, he also criticizes the cardinal archbishop of Vienna's support for Intelligent Design and notes Pope John Paul's declaration that "evolution is no longer a mere hypothesis" but is "a fundamental church teaching"
He calls "mistaken" the belief that the Bible should be used "as a source of scientific knowledge," which then serves to "unduly complicate the debate over evolution."
Last edited by Slick Pinkham; 05-10-2013 at 04:14 PM.
The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).
Well, that wasn't my intent but this whole discussion reminds me of a few months ago when a former Presidential Candidate (Huckabee) said that the killings of 20 small children in a school was God responding to his being taken out of schools. You can't argue with this nonsense.....
Abiogenesis and evolution are no not synonymous, no, however they are closely related. If the evolution of life represents the branches of the tree, then the origin of life represents the roots and base. More importantly, when someone claims that evolution is an ateleological (design-free) process, they imply that the origin of life was an ateleological event. That's yet to be proven, and in fact seems to contrary to current evidence.
If life was designed, as I believe it was based on the evidence, then any evolution is a programmed event. Sure enough, the more we learn about what evolution actually is, and how it actually operates, the stronger the appearance of programming becomes. It appears to be sophisticated nanomachinery and software all the way down, a finding which would surely make Darwin blush in shame if he were alive today.
On the other hand, if life was not designed, if a blind, intent-free nature just-so-happened to create life in some magical chemical soup, then there's zero reason to believe there's any design in evolution.
This is why the origin of life is such a crucial question, as I stated in a post several days ago. You can't claim that design has been refuted and then tuck your tail between your legs and run from the question of the origin of life, which is also the origin of the evolutionary process itself, which is what Darwinists all-too-often do.
My experience is that roughly 99% of people have no idea what intelligent design is or says, and typically speak on it out of ignorance, having been fooled by the obvious widespread smear campaign against it, or are, themselves, a part of that campaign.
Reading the above-cited article, it seems Father Coyne lives down to my experiences.
Actually, it is, as per the very definition of the "theory," a definition which is used in many textbooks.Originally Posted by Catholic Online
Furthermore, if he's saying that evolution is a guided, planned process of non-random variation, then what he's describing is much closer to intelligent design -- the thing he's arguing against -- rather than neo-Darwinian evolution -- the thing he's arguing for.
He seems deeply confused at best, and an outright liar for Darwin at worst.
How does one believe that God is behind the existence of life, including human life, yet simultaneously believe that the evolutionary process is designer (God) free?Originally Posted by Catholic Online
Again, he's either confused or he's lying for Darwin. I'm starting to get the creeping suspicion that it's the latter, unfortunately.
Ah, yes, the generic, "it's not science" bald assertion.Originally Posted by Catholic Online
Can Father Coyne define what is science, why abiogenesis and Darwinian evolution qualify, and intelligent design does not? If he uses the testability/falsifiability argument, then I'll simply ask him two questions:
(i) How do we test/falsify whether or not evolution is a product of non-design?
(ii) How do we test/falsify whether or not the origin of life was a product of non-design?
If he attempts to give me an answer to either question, I'd use the same flawless argument I used earlier in this thread to point out his dumbassery and then laugh hysterically as he turns bright red in the face.
Any test which can falsify non-design, in either the origin of life or evolution, must simultaneously prove design; there is no middle-ground.
If it's possible to test for non-design, it's possible to test for design. If testability is your benchmark for science, and you believe non-design is science, then you must also accept that intelligent design is science.
If it's possible to falsify non-design, it's possible to prove design. If falsification is your benchmark for science, and you believe non-design is science, then intelligent design is science.
You can't eat your cake and have it, too, folks.
By the way, when I say "non-design," I'm referring to any design-free origin-of-life-and-evolution scenario, regardless of the specific details; chemical soup, space debris, hydrothermal vents, etc.
On the subject of the probability of life forming anywhere throughout the universe, Hugh Ross has one of the best articles I've read due to the fact that it actually tries to quantify the question with legitimate math and science, rather than going with the, "Gee, golly! The universe is just so gosh darn big that there MUST be other lifeforms out there!" pseudo-argument.
Of course, Hugh Ross is a theist, so that will give unreasonable people like Blue&Gold an easy cop-out for rejecting anything he says. However, every probability he lists, or at least the overwhelming majority he lists is backed up via citation; 322 total probabilities, and 258 total citations.
Reasons To Believe : Probability For Life On Earth
Originally Posted by Hugh Ross
If Ross' science is to be believed, then there's no logical reason to believe in nature magic causing us to spontaneously manifest on Earth, other than really wanting to believe it. It requires a complete suspension of disbelief. As Kstat made very clear, it's for people who would prefer to stick to a math-free probability argument (who knew such a thing could even exist? ) rather than actual science.
Is intelligence (mind) at the root of existence, or is it the unintentional byproduct of an intelligence-free, ultimately chaotic universe?
The typical answer is to plead to Darwinian evolution as the explanation for intelligence. That doesn't really address the question. That might explain how the existence of intelligence came to be realized, but it doesn't answer how/why the potential for intelligence exists in the first place.
Intelligence only exists because, for whatever reason, the properties of nature allow it to exist. If I were an atheist, that thought would cause me many, many sleepless nights.
No, not unless every physical process that drove evolution was also a programmed event. Every volcanic eruption, every shift of a tectonic plate, every hurricane, every soot-producing factory built near yellow butterflies, every asteroid impact, every alteration in magnetic field, every tsunami, ...
evolution responds to natural or unnatural alternations in habitats that are unprogrammed and random. Evolution is only effective because it is also unprogrammed and random.
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The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).
As to proving that non-design is wrong, I fear you must have missed the first day in kindergarden science class.
Proving negatives in not in the realm of science.
If I claim to be an immortal shape shifter with magical powers, it is not up to someone who doesn't believe me to prove that my assertions are untrue. It is up to me to prove that they are true. If I fail to do so, all can assume I am a liar, absent evidence that immortal shape shifters with magical powers are everywhere to be found.
The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).
The Bible is not a science textbook, however its simple narrative is always scientifically correct.
The bibles order of creation (Genesis the first chapter) is supported by science.
The account lists 10 major stages in this order: (1) a beginning; (2) a primitive earth in darkness and enshrouded in heavy gases and water; (3) light; (4) an expanse or atmosphere; (5) large areas of dry land; (6) land plants; (7) sun, moon and stars discernible in the expanse, and seasons beginning; (8) sea monsters and flying creatures; (9) wild and tame beasts, mammals; (10) man. Science agrees that these stages occurred in this general order.
Geologist, Wallace Pratt says, If I as a geologist were called upon to explain briefly our modern ideas of the origin of the earth and the development of life on it to a simple, pastoral people, such as the tribes to whom the Book of Genesis was addressed, I could hardly do better than follow rather closely much of the language of the first chapter of Genesis. Wallace Pratt, quoted by W.L. Copithorne, in "The Worlds of Wallace Pratt," The Lamp, Fall 1971, p. 14.
Pratt, also noted that the order of events from the origin of the oceans, to the emergence of land, to the appearance of marine life, and then to birds and mammals is essentially the sequence of the principal divisions of geologic time.
What are the chances that the writer of Genesis, (Moses) just guessed this order? The same as if you picked at random the numbers 1 to 10 from a box, and drew them in consecutive order. The chances of doing this on your first try are 1 in 3,628,800!
To say Moses just happened to list the foregoing events in the right order without getting the facts from somewhere is not realistic.
According to the Bibles creation account all mankind living today descended from Adam. Scientists agree that we have a common origin. The concept was speculative until the 1980s, when it was corroborated by a study of present-day mitochondrial DNA, combined with evidence based on physical anthropology of archaic specimens. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recent_..._modern_humans
All varieties of man belong to the same species and have the same remote ancestry. This is a conclusion to which all the relevant evidence of comparative anatomy, paleontology, serology, and genetics, points. On genetic grounds alone it is virtually impossible to conceive of the varieties of man as having originated separately.Anthropologist M. F. Ashley Montagu.
It took science thousands of years to confirm what Genesis says in its opening pages. This is very easily deduced though. Its common knowledge that everyone has both a mother and father. Working backward you would eventually end up with the first pair.
Another point where the Bible is scientifically correct. The Bible says God created man from the dust of the earth. Science says all the elements mankind are made of are found in the dust of the earth.
Again, the Bible is not a science textbook, however its simple narrative is always scientifically correct.
You are mistaken. The Bible shows the angels shouting in applause as God was creating the earth. So they obviously had to have been created before the earth. (Job the 38th chapter)
That aside, I believe you are referring to a misunderstanding of what the Bible's creation account is actually saying. The Bible's account actually shows the earth being created last, rather than first.
People make the mistake of thinking the earth was created before the material universe when they overlook other statements the Bible makes. Let's take a look at what the Bible actually says.
Genesis 1:1,2, says, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth proved to be formless and waste and there was darkness upon the surface of [the] watery deep; and God's spirit (active force) was moving to and fro over the surface of the waters."
Note the order the creation account gives, the heavens being mentioned first, then the earth.
The 2nd verse then starts describing the condition of the earth at that time, the first part saying. "Now the earth proved to be formless and waste . . . "
Note the earth was termed waste. Where do you think this waste came from? Just as a sculptor has left over material after creating something, evidently this formless waste was what was left after God created the heavens.
Before we go on to the next verse you need to know three things. The first being that Moses wrote the creation account in Hebrew, and from the perspective of a person who would have been standing on the surface of the earth. That makes a big difference in understanding the account.
The third thing you need to know is a statement made in the 38th chapter of Job. There God is questioning Job and asks him a series of questions about where Job was when he (God) was creating the earth.
At Job 38:8,9 God asks Job, ". . . who shut up the sea with doors when it broke forth and issued out of the womb? 9 When I made the clouds the garment of it, and thick darkness a swaddling band for it?" (Amp)
Notice the thick darkness mentioned in Genesis verse two is referred to again, and this time it's described as a swaddling band. Swaddling is an age-old practice of wrapping infants in blankets or similar cloth so that movement of the limbs is tightly restricted. In context of what we are talking about this would mean the clouds are so dense they are like a swaddling band wrapped around the earth clear down to the surface.
Now lets read verses 3 and 4 which say, "And God proceeded to say: "Let light come to be." Then there came to be light. 4 After that God saw that the light was good, and God brought about a division between the light and the darkness. 5 And God began calling the light Day, but the darkness he called Night. And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, a first day."
Here we read God brought about a division between the light and the darkness, calling the light Day and the darkness Night. This indicates that he had started the earth rotating on its axis as it revolved around the sun, so that its hemispheres, eastern and western, would both have periods of light and darkness. And it's likely that the rotating of the earth produced winds that started disbursing the swaddling bands of clouds and thus the darkness.
This would be a gradual process, as is indicated by translator J.W. Watts: "And gradually light came into existence." (Ge 1:3, A Distinctive Translation of Genesis)
Genesis 1:6-8, and 9-13, describe the 2nd and 3rd creative days.
6 And God went on to say: "Let an expanse come to be in between the waters and let a dividing occur between the waters and the waters." 7 Then God proceeded to make the expanse and to make a division between the waters that should be beneath the expanse and the waters that should be above the expanse. And it came to be so. 8 And God began to call the expanse Heaven. And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, a second day.
9 And God went on to say: "Let the waters under the heavens be brought together into one place and let the dry land appear." And it came to be so. 10 And God began calling the dry land Earth, but the bringing together of the waters he called Seas. Further, God saw that [it was] good. 11 And God went on to say: "Let the earth cause grass to shoot forth, vegetation bearing seed, fruit trees yielding fruit according to their kinds, the seed of which is in it, upon the earth." And it came to be so. 12 And the earth began to put forth grass, vegetation bearing seed according to its kind and trees yielding fruit, the seed of which is in it according to its kind. Then God saw that [it was] good. 13 And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, a third day.
Note that vegetation was created on the 3rd creative day. That's an important point in as much as some people think the 4th creative day is describing the sun and moon and stars being created. However we find the description means they become discernible from the surface of the earth due to the earth's rotation dissipating the swaddling bands of clouds.
Genesis 1:14-19, says, And God went on to say: "Let luminaries come to be in the expanse of the heavens to make a division between the day and the night; and they must serve as signs and for seasons and for days and years. 15 And they must serve as luminaries in the expanse of the heavens to shine upon the earth." And it came to be so. 16 And God proceeded to make the two great luminaries, the greater luminary for dominating the day and the lesser luminary for dominating the night, and also the stars. 17 Thus God put them in the expanse of the heavens to shine upon the earth, 18 and to dominate by day and by night and to make a division between the light and the darkness. Then God saw that [it was] good. 19 And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, a fourth day.
In view of the description of these luminaries, the greater luminary was obviously the sun and the lesser luminary the moon.
Now you need to know something about Hebrew the language Genesis was written in. Previously, on the first creative day, the expression "Let light come to be" was used. The Hebrew word there used for "light" is 'ohr, meaning light in a general sense.
However, on the fourth creative day, the Hebrew word changes to ma·'ohr, which refers to a luminary or source of light. So, on the first day diffused light evidently penetrated the swaddling bands, but the actual sources of that light could not be seen by an earthly observer. Now, on the fourth day, it's evident the swaddling bands have dissipated enough that the actual source of the light could be seen.
It is also noteworthy that at Genesis 1:16 the Hebrew verb ba·ra', meaning "create," is not used. Instead, the Hebrew verb ʽa·sah, meaning "make," is employed. Since the sun, moon, and stars are included in "the heavens" mentioned in Genesis 1:1, they were created long before Day Four. On the fourth day God proceeded to "make" these celestial bodies occupy a new relationship toward earth's surface and the expanse above it. When it is said, "God put them in the expanse of the heavens to shine upon the earth," this would indicate that they now became discernible from the surface of the earth, as though they were in the expanse. Also, the luminaries were to "serve as signs and for seasons and for days and years," thus later providing guidance for man in various ways.
Hebrew being translated to English is probably the biggest reason the Bible's creation account is somewhat hard to understand.
If you think the sun and moon and stars were created on the 4th creative day, the Bible creation account would of course not make sense to you. You would wonder where the light came from on the first creative day. You would also wonder how the vegetation created on the third creative day stayed alive with no heat or light until the 4th creative day.
I believe what I've related shows the creation account in the Bible is consistent and sensible to Bible readers who actually take the time to discern what it says. Obviously knowing what other parts of the Bible say helps in it's understanding.
That goes for the whole Bible, but some people read something they don't understand or something that doesn't make sense to them and find fault with the Bible instead of earnestly trying to find an answer.
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So you are telling me that...
the Earth really is flat,
the earth really is at the center of the universe,
the sky (firmament) forms a "roof" over the world,
everything in the universe has existed for something like 6-10,000 years,
bats are birds,
Unicorns are real,
dragons (fiery serpents) are real,
giants were real,
rabbits chew their cud and are thus unclean,
All of the animals boarded the ark "in the selfsame day" (Genesis 7:13-14). Since there were several million species involved, they must have boarded at a rate of at least 100 animals per second! onto that 450 foot long boat!,
birds and whales appeared before reptiles and insects,
flowering plants appeared before any animals (plants thrived even before the sun existed!),
Adam personally named several million species (that must have taken awhile, even just for the 500,000 species of beetles!),
you can rid your house of leprosy by sacrificing a certain bird and dripping its blood on your house,
you can easily tell if a woman is an adultress: The priest should take holy water in a vessel, take dust from the floor, and put it into the vessel - And that is the bitter water 'And after cursing it, give it to the woman And if the woman has committed adultery, after she drinks it, the curse will enter her body, the stomach will swell, the thigh will rot, and she shall be cursed by the people. If the woman has not committed adultery, she will remain clean and she will bear the seed,
and the Earth was formed before the Sun, but depending entirely on what part you chose to believe: The Bible says in Genesis Ch. No. 1 Verses No. 3 and 5,…'Light was created on the first day.' Genesis, Ch., 1 Verses, 14 to 19… 'The cause of light - stars and the sun, etc. was created on the fourth day'. How can the cause of light be created on the 4th day - later than the light which came into existence on the first day?
Last edited by Slick Pinkham; 05-15-2013 at 09:27 AM.
The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).
Really bizarre statement.
First of all, science can prove many negatives with the same degree of certainty as it can prove positives. They may say differently during the first day of kindergarten science class, but they teach you otherwise during the first day of big boy science class. If it's detectable in any way, and we're capable of performing an exhaustive search for it, then we're capable of proving whether or not it exists.
Secondly, "proving something wrong" is falsification. If you're saying that science is incapable of falsifying (proving wrong) the claims that the origin of life and evolution were/are non-designed events, you're saying that neither claim qualifies as science. Yet, strangely, both are treated as such, including by you and in school text books.
Thirdly, I've already explained what I meant by "non design." I explained it at the bottom of one of my recent posts:
You can change the term non-design to unintentional or natural (as opposed to artificial), and the argument still stands.Originally Posted by GrangeRusHibbert
The argument stands. If we cannot test for design we cannot test for non-design, and vice versa. Either both views are subject to scientific methodology, or neither view is. This is why the "I.D. isn't science... but abiogenesis/Darwinism is!" claims have absolutely zero merit to them. They're cliched talking points; nothing more.
Time and time again, it just flies right over your head....
I never said that something cannot be proven wrong. Any testable hypothesis might be proven to be false.
But, as I said before, if I claim to be an immortal shape shifter with magical powers,
someone who does not believe me should not be expected to prove beyond any doubt that my assertions are false. They should not have to prove that magic and shape-shifting do not exist anywhere in our universe.
It is rather up to me to prove that what I say is true. If I fail to do so, or if I don't even try, then everyone can assume that I am a liar and am incapable or shape-shifting or magic.
with respect to evolution, natural selection, genes, DNA, etc. for those really unfamiliar with the whole area, I recommend this site for some clear, concise videos: http://www.statedclearly.com/
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The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).
Not to mention the part where there were people who were living for hundreds of years without dying.
Oh come on now....what are the odds Moses could have gotten so many things wrong? What are the odds, like 82373611 to 1? He must have been getting his misinformation from somewhere...


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Unfortunately a huge inflation raged in Poland in those days and despite the devotion of the teachers and the goodwill of the parents of the pupils, we could not maintain the high school for more than two years.
The elementary school, however, continued to develop. A canteen was set up for the pupils and as well as a Hebrew children's library, named after Mendele Moykher Sforim. Already in 1926 it possessed 500 volumes. There was a drama circle, which regularly organized successful performances. By the 10th jubilee of the first graduating class in 1931, already 300 pupils had finished the school and the number of graduates continued to grow.
For the post-WWI generation of Jews in Krinki, the Hebrew elementary school was a primary source of educational and ideological inspiration in the spirit of the pioneers. It was like a stock farm that turned out Zionist-socialist youth. The history of the Hekhalutz in Krinki was closely linked with Hebrew education, thinks Zeev Tsur (Velvel Shteyn), a former graduate of the school, who was a leading figure in the Israeli Labor Party, member of the Knesset (the Israeli parliament), and deputy minister in one of the former Israeli governments. The whole atmosphere in and around the school in the various social events and 'circles,' adds Z. Tsur, aimed at ingraining in the pupils the love of manual work, agriculture, simplicity, in short, pioneerism, aliya to Eretz Israel and self-realization.
The above-mentioned rivalry of the two educational institutions in Krinki came to light in the field of culture, namely in the libraries, as well. The Bundists had their so-called big library, and the Tsaire Tsion also established a library in 1920 named after Heshl Sapirshteyn, one of the pioneers of the Hebrew school. By the end of the decade it had 2,000 books in Hebrew, Yiddish and Polish, 200 subscribers, and it was the largest library of the town.
The big library, directed by Eternal Light collected primarily Yiddish books and the most recent Yiddish newspapers. The collection included mostly literature, poetry, social sciences, political economy and socialism. It was supported by party members who were originally from Krinki but were by then living in America. The library had two main supporters: Leybke Sheyn (Noskes), who often sent newspapers and journals, and Khatskl Miller.
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Rain or shine, I love being out cruising the local scene or, even more so, to be on the open highways for a road trip—long or short, it doesn't matter as long as I'm behind the wheel. I've come to realize just how spoiled I've been with today's modern rides, which leads to this month's question: What's the right amount of modifications for you?
Personally, I love the fact that the aftermarket offers so many options, allowing us to build an incredible variety of cars. Do you want a street terror? How about a dedicated tarmac door-slammer? Then there's my favorite, a no-holds-barred Pro Touring machine capable of being tracked yet, comfortable enough to be driven across the country. Even more impressive, today we have all these high-performance options, while still being able to enjoy the creature comforts we've come to appreciate in our daily drivers.
I understand Pro Touring cars aren't for everyone, especially those who prefer a more factory-style ride with 15-inch rollers. And believe me, there is nothing wrong with that. In fact, I can appreciate the efforts of those who prefer to do a frame-off resto and limit their cruising excursions to local car digs—but I'll be upfront, I want more out of my rides.
I've driven a lot of modern-day hot rods, including the ZR1 Corvette, ZL1 Camaro, and a number of modified exotics. And while there's something to be said for the incredible performance capabilities, my heart is stuck on refined muscle cars with late-model enhancements; it's just cooler when that kind of performance can be had with an old-school street machine. While you'll never see me fall for big dubs, bling, or over-the-top body modifications, I won't say no to transforming a classic into a modern-day hot rod with the addition of today's amenities and performance options. Think of this as an impromptu poll: Do you prefer more of a resto, or are you a restomod type of enthusiast? Email me and be sure to include photos of your pride and joys.
Email me: firstname.lastname@example.com
Flame me: chevyhiperformance.com


text: Created by acclaimed developer Digital Extremes, Dark Sector is a new and original action-thriller video game designed exclusively for next generation systems. Enter the world of Hayden Tenno, a black ops agent sent on a dangerous assassination mission into Lasria, an Eastern European city that hides a deadly Cold War secret. Attacked by an unknown enemy, he awakens to find part of his body altered by an infection that has granted him inhuman abilities. Now, Hayden must learn to evolve along with his powers, to survive and to become a hero.


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Funny to think: No one complains when they wake up in the morning and realize they have to go to the bathroom. No one thinks, "I'll let my mother or father or wife or children or brother or friend do it for me ... they're ever so much better at it." Everyone knows that going to the bathroom is something no one else can do for them.
But when it comes to spiritual endeavor, there may be a lot of caterwauling ... creating gods and goddesses, teachers and gurus, temples and holy places, wise texts and wonderful clothes. Heart-felt prayers ascend to the heavens. It is very touching and very human and still ....
Who could possibly go to the bathroom for you in the morning?
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I've been playing for quite a while now , since the late 90's/early 2000. Just mentioned that so you have a point of reference as to my experience.
My daughter just turned 9 , and she occasionally comes with me to the golf course , sometimes she plays, sometimes she just tags along. This year I found a 144g DX Shark, and she has been using it with fair success. However, I Just picked up a 146g DX Aero for her as a Christmas gift. My thought was that the Aero is neutral/very slightly understable, has little to no fade ,and it has tons of glide . I thought this would be a good disc for her to establish her form and learn the ins and outs of Hyzer/Anhyzer etc without having the disc influence her form too much. The speed 3 and big glide of 6 should hopefully work well for her and allow her to get reasonable distance from her lil arm.
She isn't a little kid, she's pretty good sized (about 51" and 80lbs) but she is still just a 9 yr old girl, so I thought a lower speed disc with good glide would encourage her to play if she sees she is able to get some good distance on it.
Any other discs you guys/gals could recommend ? Does my train of thought make sense to you ?
Any suggestions/thoughts would be appreciated.
Thanks for your help/insight.


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Instead of digging up old sewer pipes and replacing them, the Peachtree City Water and Sewer Authority is turning to new technology that replaces the pipe from the inside.
The Cured In Place Pipe (CIPP) process seals off leaks caused by cracks, fractures, misaligned joints or other problems that are common in every sewer system. CIPP also adds structural integrity to the pipe which extends its useful life span.
WASA recently used contractor Brent Scarbrough and Company for a sewer rehab project on the Planterra Ridge Golf Course to fix lines close to the new Lake McIntosh reservoir. This project is aimed at reducing the risk of any future problems occurring at the site of the reservoir impoundment, officials said.
The environmentally-friendly process also provides a cost-effective way to address capital improvements, WASA officials said.
The CIPP process works by inserting the material into the older pipe and expanding it with an injection of air. The fiberglass material is cured in place by a train of UV light that is pulled through the line.
The end result is no digging is necessary to accomplish the task, officials said.
"From one manhole to another, a sewer line can be completely re-lined to a condition good as new, without the mess or stress to the property or landscape – in this case the golf course at Planterra Ridge," said WASA General Manager Stephen Hogan We completed this project without incident, and it was a great success."
With the robotic video inspection of the sewer collection pipes still underway, WASA will use that information to determine where other sewer lines need to be rehabilitated, Hogan said.
"We will continue with other lining projects as we discover needs and as our budget allows," adds Hogan. "This work will be included in our master planning and future budgets. The lining process is just one of the methods in our toolbox that allows us to maintain and extend the life of the system."


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Banking and financial services are in the midst of a dramatic transformation.
The incursion from disruptive technology companies, known as "FinTechs," are adding increased pressure. Institutions must adapt quickly to master new challenges and remain relevant.
The industry is being pushed to provide modern and innovative services whilst keeping in compliance with regulations, preventing financial losses and managing cost reduction pressures.


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Sunday, September 24, 2017
Healthy Weight Center
Gaining Weight Healthily
I`m 16 years old and I`m 5`3 and about 88 lbs. I know I need to gain weight but I like to eat healthily and exercise at least 30 min a day. How can I gain weight healthily?
Gaining weight is in many respects even more difficult than losing weight. Before you focus on gaining weight, consider your family. Is there a tendency to be lean? If so, you can gain some weight, but you will probably always have a tendency to be lean. If you have recently lost weight due to illness or for some unknown reason, talk to your doctor to rule out some underlying cause for your low weight.
Gaining weight requires that you are consistent in your meals. When meals and snacks are skipped, it is even harder to eat the extra calories you need to gain weight.
I am glad you indicated that you like to eat healthy. You can and should gain weight by eating a healthy, balanced diet. To put on extra pounds:
* Think of the extra food the same way you think of a prescription from your doctor. Spread the food over three meals and a couple of snacks.
* Filler food (soup and salad) should be eaten after your main meal. Also save beverages for the end of your meal or between meals.
* The beverages and foods you choose should be those that are more calorie dense. For example, granola-type cereals rather than the puffed or flaked varieties; 100% fruit juice or milk rather than water. But do not forget to drink some water.
* Nuts and seeds are calorie dense foods which offer good nutrition. Include them often. Go easy on the foods that are high in saturated fat such as red meat and butter and those high in trans fats such as commercial bakery goods. Although these foods are high in calories, the type of fat they contain will increase your risk for heart disease.
* Be sure your exercise routine includes some strength training exercises to promote weight gain as muscle.
You can gain weight, but be patient. To gain muscle weight takes time and lots of effort.
Shirley A Kindrick, PhD
Former Team Leader of Comprehensive Weight Management
College of Medicine
The Ohio State University


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In our weekly roundup of the looks that are gaining fashion ground (and the ones losing their style street cred), we noticed several stars flaunting their curves in second-skin stunners and selecting dresses with out-of-the-box hemlines. Plus, we spotted one celeb playing a game of "Earrings vs. Décolletage," and we're pretty sure she lost.
Up: Body-con dresses. Our idea of a summer dress is long, flowy, easy, breezy … you get the point. But apparently, when you're out in Hollywood, body-con is the way to go — this week, anyway. Britney Spears led the pack in her blue bandage dress, coordinating with the carpet at The Smurfs 2 premiere. Then there were the Victoria's Secret angels Karlie Kloss and Behati Prinsloo who stunned in their berry-colored minis at an event for the brand in N.Y.C. Rounding out the bevy of beauties in body-con, Sharon Stone proves the style has no age boundaries in her white head-turner.
Up: Unique Hemlines. If Diane Kruger is doing it, then you know it's a thing. The actress selected a printed Mary Katrantzou dress with an asymmetrical hemline at the Fox All-Star party in West Hollywood Following in her fashion-forward footsteps were Emma Roberts in a high-low Michael Kors gown, Amanda Seyfried in this ruffle-trim Givenchy number and Kate Upton's upper-thigh baring LBD.
Down: Cleavage-grazing earrings. Questionable cleavage has emerged as a red carpet accessory this week. But the accessory we're really confused by is Tyra Banks's mile-long tassel earrings that dangle all the way to her décolletage. And while stars aren't going to stop showing their curves, we're pretty sure Tyra's out-there look will not become a craze anytime soon.
For more on which trends to follow, check out our thoughts on shades of blue and crazy nail art.
–Brittany Talarico


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Managers Parrish, DeShields headline AFL campaign
League names coaches, organizations; eight-time All-Star and 13-year vet lead list
It's never too early to start dreaming about the fall. The Arizona Fall League announced its organization and staff Tuesday for the upcoming AFL campaign that will begin on October 7.
The Arizona Fall League has six teams and will play in five stadiums this season, thanks to the addition of the new Cubs park in Mesa. The other AFL venues will be Camelback Ranch-Glendale, Salt River Fields at Talking Stick, Scottsdale Stadium and two teams at Surprise Stadium.
This year, the Arizona Fall League will boast a coaching staff that comprises men who played for a combined 107 years in the Major Leagues. Lance Parrish, an eight-time All-Star, will manage the Glendale Desert Dogs, and former infielder Delino DeShields will manage the Surprise Saguaros.
Parrish's team, the Desert Dogs, will feature prospects from the Tigers, Orioles, White Sox, Dodgers and Brewers. The pitching coaches will be Chris Hook of the Brewers' organization and Alan Mills from the Orioles, and Andy Tromberlin of the White Sox's system will serve as the hitting coach.
DeShields will manage the Saguaros, who will consist of prospects from the Reds, Red Sox, Padres, Mariners and Rangers. Jody Davis, a two-time All-Star, will serve as the hitting coach, and the pitching coaches will be Jeff Andrews of the Rangers' organization and Andrew Lorraine from Seattle.
Mike Mordecai, a former big league infielder, will manage the Mesa Solar Sox, which will have players from the Cubs, Angels, Athletics, Blue Jays and Nationals. Southpaw Ron Villone and Matt Wise will serve as the pitching coaches, and Greg Sparks of Oakland's organization will be hitting coach.
Former catcher Vance Wilson, a native of Mesa, will manage the Peoria Javelinas, who will have players from the farm systems of the Royals, Indians, Braves, Cardinals and Rays. R.C. Lichtenstein and Jason Simontacchi will be pitching coaches, and Gary Ingram will be the hitting coach.
The Salt River Rafters will house prospects from the Diamondbacks, Rockies, Astros, Marlins and Twins, and Andy Haines will be the team's manager. Josh Miller of the Astros' organization will be the team's pitching coach, and Colorado's Kevin Riggs will be the team's hitting coach.
The Scottsdale Scorpions, rounding out the list, will be managed by Jeff Bannister and will have players from the Mets, Yankees, Phillies, Pirates and Giants. Ray Burris and Mike Couchee will serve as the team's pitching coaches, and the Yankees' P.J. Pilittre will be the team's hitting coach.
Spencer Fordin is a reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.


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I thought it is useful to open a topic (if it already exists, I could not find) to connect the Buddhist fellowship as well as possible. Forgive me and mybe it is possible to move it there.
German forums:
Well visited forum and from the frequenzy maybe compareable with DW. Most moderators are from a Zen sphere. Moderators are very liberal and compassionated to all user and a it is a perfect place (as there is less ruling) to use a forum not only to gain information but for mindfulness on intention and right speech. A place where all kinds of traditions are present.
Languages beside of german are sadly not wanted.
A small but well maintained forum mainly used from user with much convidence in the Theravada tradition, but also open and wellcome to other traditions. English language is wellcome as well and there is also a english section.
I saw that they have some problems with automatical registation, so its needed to send an short email after registation (please activate my account...) with reference to the new added username to this adress: forum_1[at]satinanda.de
A big forum for all traditions which seems to have lost its visitors some times ago but still in function.
The German Buddhist Union (DBU Web: http://www.buddhismus-deutschland.de) had a forum but out of technical problem (as they write) the old forum which was found under dharma.de is not avaliable. But there is a invitation to use their facebook side for discussion.
Maybe not as fast as a normal forum but a good place for questions and answers in a little different kind. The Moderators take much care of good quality and accordiance to the Theravada Tradition in their replays.


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There are tons of plug-ins and sample libraries but I always post updates when they come from UVI. Every time I use their Emulation II I come up with great sounding songs. Their new release is called Urban Suite. It's actually 5 completely different plug-ins and a huge sample library. Beatshaper and Prime8 are drum machines. Beatshaper is a wide range of samples and Prime8 is a Roland TR-808 emulator. As with more really good modern sample libraries these are attached to interfaces that allow the samples to be manipulated and sequenced. Like using external hardware it's fun to jump out of your DAWs traditional interface for sequencing now and then. Urban X is a layered sample playback and synth with effects. Even though I'm known to like synthpop I grew up and learned a lot about music through classic rap. So I am please to tell you Scratch Machine brings scratching and a scratch library into the DAW zone. This one plug-in alone would be worth it for many people. Finally there's a multitrack looper called Beat Control for building full tracks. $199 available now.
"Urban Suite delivers 5 new instruments and a massive sample library tailored for contemporary music producers, perfect for hip hop, R&B, trap, glitch, beat, experimental and more… There's no way to accurately reproduce the experience of scratching without a turntable but we've come pretty close with Scratch Machine. Grab a keyboard or pad controller, load up one of the classic sounds like 'Fresh' or even a Speak'n'Spell and let loose! All sounds were recorded directly from decks masterfully controlled by our resident turntablist and scratch artist DJ Quartz—over 10,000 samples in all." – uvi.net
For more info: uvi.net/en/music-genres/urban-suite


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Occupy New Haven granted stay by federal judge allowing protesters to remain on Green for now (photos, videos)
Published 12:00 am, Tuesday, April 10, 2012
Minutes after bulldozers and trucks began to plow down Occupy New Haven's encampment, occupier Ray Neal yelled, "Stop! We have an injunction!"
The day before police officers and the Department of Parks, Recreation and Trees permeated the upper Green, U.S. District Judge Mark Kravitz had denied a request by Occupy New Haven to remain in their encampment. But on Tuesday, a New York Judge in the Second Circuit Court of Appeals allowed them to stay for now.
"I think this is a huge victory," said Kevin Smith, one of the attorneys representing Occupy New Haven. "They aren't just trying to evict our clients, but they are also trying to evict the First Amendment ... This is a First Amendment issue and at the end of the day, there are proper ways people can be removed but that was not done in this case."
Occupiers had initially been told to leave by noon Tuesday.
Photos: Occupy New Haven allowed to temporarily remain on Green
Photos: See what was going on at the camp on the day the judge ruled, and what the camp looks like today.
Video: What people are saying about the eviction.
As of Tuesday afternoon there was no court date set for a judge to decide how much longer the group and their encampment, which consists of a tent city painted with symbols and speech, can remain on the Green. Smith said at some point in the coming weeks, the legal counsel for Occupy and for the city will be heard in front of a three judge panel.
Despite the police presence, many occupiers stayed around the encampment or behind the nearly five foot tall barrier to stand their ground Tuesday as police tape was put up and bulldozers started moving in. But as protective as they are of the camp, occupiers seem to have mixed opinions on the importance of it to their movement.
"More stuff happens outside of the camp than in it," said Neal. "We will still hold our General Assembly meetings on the Green every Wednesday at 6:30 p.m. and Sundays at 2 p.m."
He added that Occupy New Haven will celebrate their six month anniversary on Sunday with music, speakers and discussion no matter what the status of their court injunction.
Former alderman and current occupier Allan Brison said the news of another temporary stay for the group was both good and bad because while the camp is an important symbol, the energy that the occupiers are using to maintain it could be used engaging in more activism throughout the community.
"They can take away possessions," said Occupier Brendan Boyaji. "It's a people's movement, not a tents and signs movement."
But occupier Andres Reyes had a different experience with the encampment.
"If it wasn't for the physical camp itself, I wouldn't have been connected to these people," said Reyes, who was in the Marines for eight years. "In the service you can't say what you're thinking but here I came up to them and said 'how can I help?'"
Once police officers and city officials retreated from the Green, Mayor John DeStefano Jr. held a press conference at City Hall, during which he explained the city's goal is to return the Green to the community for everyone's use.
Several members of the media confronted the mayor about the decision to move in on the Green at noon, noting he knew Occupy New Haven's attorney, Norm Pattis, was in court awaiting a decision from a judge.
"A possible decision could be next week, next month, next year," he said. "I'm not going to have this turned around on city staff. This is becoming an obnoxious use of the Green by a few people."
Smith later responded: "they waited five months, why couldn't they wait another three minutes?"
An occupier who is known around the encampment as "Moose" but whose name is Broderick Lee, said he was looking forward to seeing what noon would bring because then there would be an answer for the question of "what would happen if they take down the camp?"
That question wasn't answered Tuesday because the loud hum of the bulldozers slowed to a stop and the Park and Recreation Department trucks retreated as occupiers chanted things like "Tell me what Democracy looks like. This is what Democracy looks like!"
That happened after two people were arrested, one of whom is a homeless occupier named Sara Ferah and another whose name was not released despite a request to police, but many said it was his first day at Occupy New Haven. Information on the charges also was not available.
"People climbed onto the equipment and lay down in front of it. I don't think the arrests were (unreasonable)," said DeStefano, who added that both were to be released on a promise to appear in court. New Haven police declined to confirm this.
While some occupiers said police did a decent job handling the situation, others were unhappy, such as occupier Danielle DiGirolamo, who said "while the cops are obeying the law, they did not do it honorably. They falsely arrested one of our own and one of the officers pushed down one of our occupiers who happen to be disabled."
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Given its brash looks, Gareth's 850 R is far from the ill-mannered hooligan you might imagine it to be. It's sensible, refined and approachable. You might even call it a bit soft if you're feeling harsh.
The 850 R is also, despite looks, power and marketing to the contrary, not the most extreme of the fast 850s. That accolade goes to the limited-run T5-R, which was actually created with a more focussed and less comfort-biased set-up than the later R models, the logic apparently being that since the R was a full production model it would have to be softened off at its dynamic edges.
The only problem with Gareth's car is that its auto gearbox does rob it of a wee bit of its urge. Although even that has its positive side - the torque converter eliminates all but the merest hint of torque steer
Chris: "The 850 looks great fun, and when I see it I don't see the road car - I can only imagine it as that mad touring car"
Jeremy: "It's refined but pacey - to be honest it was quite a surprise, nothing like you'd expect"
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I need for second time your help. I have an NI pxie 6124, combined with the 8133 controller,
the 1082 chassis and the BNC 2090A. We bought this equipment for data acquisition, but I
am wondering if I could use this to control an IGBT switch. The control technique is extremely
demanding, but I was trying to find which is the highest switching frequency that I could
The results, for the simplest model (a pulse generator and a digital output) in matlab (because
I am more familiar with) was a diassapointing Ts of about 1 ms. The strangest thing was that
the period was not constant but variable, even if I had a fixed step model.
I am quite novice with NI - Labview. My goal is to achieve a sampling time of 20e-6s and to
decide for the switch state after some calculations.
Thanks in advance.
Hi Panoskak,
The PXIe-6124 has 2 analog output channels and 24 bi-directional digital channels, so it is capable of being used for control. Here is a link that gives the specifications of the card.
Thanks for your reply.
I have seen the specifications because I already used the one digital output. The reason for this post is to find
if someone else has checked the digital outputs capability as for the switching frequency.
I need for my control strategy to read three analog inputs, evaluate some equations, and to decide for the switch
state, and all these in 50 μs. My test, with only a pulse generator and one digital output has shown that the
switching pulses were not constant even if I had a fixed step model, and the maximum switching period was sth
about ms. Do you know if there is a constraint? Maybe my thought is completely wrong. I used matlab with only
the pulse generator in a fixed step model, nothing else.
The digital outputs are only for some on-off applications or are capable of controlling sth in kHz? Why under a
constant period pulse generator the period differentiates when in μs, or ms? Could you give me a simple vi to test
a pulse generator at 20 kHz in Labview (I am quite novice to be sure for my results).
I need your help if sb knows.
Thanks again.
I would like to add that maybe matlab communication with the 6124 deteriorates speed, resulting in a not
constant switching frequency. PXIe 6124 is not supported by the real time target library in simulink.
Is it possible to find an IV to generate pulses directly in Labview. The express library only gives me the
capability to determine on/off, not switching...
Hi Panoskak,
I don't think you're going to be able to do all of those things in 50 micro seconds. I agree that MATLAB might be slowing down your output, but I am not very familiar with interfacing through MATLAB.
You can find examples for how to output a 20 kHz signal in the NI Example Finder. On the browse tab, follow this path...
Hardware Input and Output>>DAQmx>>Digital Generation>>(VI)
Thanks, I will try and post again my findings. It is about the time interval to read data, to do some calculations, and then to output the pulse. I do not know where to find this information. I use a Texas microprocessor but the speed is not so high as I would like.
Could I ask sth not related to my post?
(I have installed Labview 2009 but under license manager I see Labview (...) (...) but it does not say sth about mathscript.
In the received mail from Labview said: Labview 2009, professional (...) , full (...) , Labview 8.6.1 deployment (...) with mathscript for 32 and 64 bit and the activation codes. I can not find anywhere in the license manager this to activate. Am I supposed to install Labview 8.6 and then activate mathscript, Where could I find this to download?)
Thanks again.
Hey panoskak,
Licensing has changed for Mathscript since LabVIEW 8.6. After the 8.6 release, Mathscript functionality was removed from core LabVIEW and was moved into the separate Mathscript module. For LabVIEW 2009, you will need to install and activate the Mathscript module separately.
You can download the module here. If you need the older version of LabVIEW, you can download that here. Have a great weekend!


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This is probably the type of dish that will never be too photogenic, but I did like my new idea of cooking them in a Mini Loaf Pan for more defined squares, and this version also uses Hemp Hearts instead of breadcrumbs to make them Phase One for South Beach Dieters. (I changed several other things in this recipe, but I'll keep the original printer friendly recipe in case someone has it bookmarked.) I like to eat these with a dollop of sour cream, as you can tell from the new photo.
(Swiss Chard and Mushroom Squares were updated August 2012 with better photos and instructions, plus the option to use Hemp Hearts to make this a Phase One recipe. This recipe was originally posted for Weekend Herb Blogging, hosted by Ulrike of Kuchenlatein.)
Mini Loaf Pan.
And just for fun, here's the original photo from the version that I posted back in 2008!
Swiss Chard and Mushroom Squares (Updated Version)
(Makes 8 servings; recipe adapted from Regina Schrambling's Collard Squares from The Wednesday Chef.)
1 small onion, diced small
2 cloves garlic, finely minced (or use 2 tsp. minced garlic from a jar)
2 tsp. + 2 tsp. olive oil
1/2 lb Baby Bella (Crimini) mushrooms, diced into small pieces (about 12 mushrooms)
1/2 tsp. soy sauce or Tamari
1 bunch swiss chard, stems cut out and cut into thin ribbons and then chopped (at least 4-6 cups chopped chard; can also use other greens)
3/4 cup grated low-fat Mozzarella cheese
1/4 cup Hemp Hearts (or can use 100% whole wheat Panko crumbs)
8 eggs, beaten
1/2 tsp. Spike Seasoning
Add the sauteed chard to mushroom mixture; then add the grated cheese, beaten eggs, and Spike Seasoning and mix together. Spray Mini Loaf Pan or 9" X 13" inch glass or crockery casserole dish with olive oil or non-stick spray. Pour in egg mixture.
Bake 35-40 minutes, until firmly set but not hard, and slightly browned. Let cool slightly, then cut into squares if using the casserole dish. Serve hot or at room temperature. This is good served with sour cream. Swiss Chard and Mushroom Squares will keep in the fridge for at least a week, and can be reheated in the microwave.
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I remember reading several different retellings of the tale where the Buddha meets up with Mara as an "old friend" and they have tea together. Unfortunately, none of these retellings tells me which sutta this story is found in. I tried googling it but to no avail. I wanted to read the original story (I have the Wisdom Publications' DN, MN, SN, and the AN). Any help would be much appreciated!


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Measurement and Performance Tracking in Developing Countries
Building the capacity of developing countries to effectively track progress toward meeting domestic climate, energy, and development goals.
Developing countries face the challenge of meeting development goals while at the same time reducing their greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions in order to address climate change. For these efforts to succeed, effective systems are needed to manage greenhouse gases and related emissions reduction activities.
To that end WRI is working through the Measurement and Performance Tracking (MAPT) project to build national capacities in developing countries to measure GHG emissions and track performance toward low-carbon development goals. Lessons learned are also being shared with international audiences in order to replicate successes and inform the design of relevant rules within the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC).
WRI is partnering with a broad range of relevant stakeholders within the six MAPT countries, including government agencies, business, and civil society organizations. WRI's engagement within each country is prioritized according to national capacity needs, which have been identified through scoping assessments conducted with in-country partners.
MAPT is a four-year project funded primarily by the International Climate Initiative of the German Federal Ministry for the Environment, Nature Conservation, and Nuclear Safety (BMU) and is carried out in partnership with key stakeholders in Colombia, Ethiopia, India, South Africa, and Thailand.
New Draft Standards Released For Tracking GHG Reductions From Policies And Goals—Seeking Pilot Testers To view the Terms of Reference for pilot testing click on this link. For further background see our GHG Protocol page.
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Lionel Messi made history when he claimed the FIFA Ballon d'Or for 2012 on Monday evening, becoming the first player to be named the world's best on four occasions - all of them consecutive.
Following the ceremony, the goal machine described his feelings in front of the FIFA.com camera.
He said: "It's really nice to win it again, for a fourth consecutive time. I'm really very happy. The fact is I enjoy the things that happen to me, the awards I've won, and I hope I can now go on and win more titles with my club and my national team."
Messi went on to say he would celebrate the award with his family as usual, and admitted to feeling somewhat taken aback when he was announced the winner: "My mind went blank and I couldn't think of what to say. All the same, I'd like to dedicate this award to my family."


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Giants sign 23 players from 2014 First-Year Player Draft
The San Francisco Giants have signed 23 players from the 2014 First-Year Player Draft and four additional undrafted players. SF has come to terms with their first 14 picks overall from this past month's draft.
LOCAL TIES: The Giants signed four players that have Northern California connections. SF signed their fourth round pick, RHP Logan Webb (Rocklin HS), eighth round pick CF Austin Slater (Stanford University), 23rd pick RHP Jordan Johnson (Elk Grove, CA) and 33rd pick C Jared Deacon (Elk Grove, CA).
COLE EXCELS AT THE CAPE: 3B Hunter Cole (26th pick) was leading the Cape Cod League with 25 RBI in 25 games with the Yarmouth-Dennis Red Sox prior to signing with the Giants. Cole also ranked fifth in the league with a .353 avg. (30-for-85) and was tied for the league lead with four home runs.
UNDRAFTED SIGNEES: The Giants signed four undrafted position players: Christian Lichtenhaler (shortstop), Rodney Price II (first baseman), Evan Potter (shortstop) and Chase Compton (first baseman).


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We will be applying with the NYACC to become a New Hope Partner so that we are able to pull animals that are on the nightly kill list, but for now we assist other New Hope Partners (i.e. Anjellicle Cats Rescue, Staten Island Hope Rescue) by providing temporary foster care when we can.
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We network to find placement for cats and kittens that are on the streets. We have adoptable cats that are looking for homes.
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South County Open House April 14
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12000 Government Center Parkway, Suite 551
Fairfax, VA 22035-0065
Contact: Merni Fitzgerald, Director of Public Affairs
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South County Center Open House Set for April 14
Residents are invited to come and learn more about the programs and services available at Fairfax County's South County Center at an open house on Saturday, April 14, from 11 a.m. to 3 p.m., rain or shine. The South County Center, located at 8350 Richmond Highway, Alexandria, houses more than 27 agencies to serve residents in the southern part of the county.
Fun family activities include face painting and a variety of refreshments. All services and activities are provided at no cost. Representatives from the Police Department and Fire and Rescue Department will be on hand to display vehicles. The Police will provide "paddy wagon" tours to the Mount Vernon District Station. The Police Department also will be conducting fingerprinting for children.
Fairfax County agency representatives will provide details on a wide variety of services for older adults and youth, employment services and much more. Information also will be available on Access Fairfax, an innovative e-government resource center providing information and access to county and regional services for residents and visitors.
For more information, call Maria Franco-Nativi at 703-704-6354, TTY 711. Reasonable ADA accommodations will be provided upon request.
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As a telecom vendor expanding into IT, Epic Technologies initially experienced some bumps in the road. Managing multiple vendors plus tedious in-house tasks was costly and inefficient. Then, they partnered with Continuum for integrated network operations, monitoring and user helpdesk services. Learn how Continuum has helped Epic grow their managed services revenue by 92% in just one year, and how your business can follow a simple blueprint to achieve similar results.
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Just a couple of years ago, Epic Technologies was primarily a telecom VAR that had recently transitioned into managed services. However, their foray into IT wasn't going as smoothly as Don Viar, Epic's managing partner, had hoped. Viar had become frustrated dealing with what he calls a "hodgepodge of vendors" and investing hundreds of man-hours into configuring software, monitoring networks and other mundane tasks.
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text: I finally was diagnosed after a series of blood tests confirmed what a friend of mine had suggested it may be Lupus that I have. I'd been dianosed with everything from Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, to Chronic Fatigue, to Fibromyalgia. I've had chronic headaches for years, blamed the rashes and sun sensitivity to being a redhead, the fatigue, lack of energy and pain on being a plus size gal, and other symptoms on other possible connections. What had been confirmed over a number of years is that I do know I have Raynaud's disease. That was diagnosed 9 years ago, and over time has progressively worsened. I have also been told I am anemic over the course of several years, but was always sent home abd told to take a multivitamin and an iron supplement. For the past 8 years, I'd lived in an upstairs apartment, and in July, I became so weak that I could no longer climb my stairs, though I'd been only somewhat been looking for a downstairs apartment or a place with elevators. It happened that in early August, a wonderful little cottage actually found me. I'd done all the paperwork on this house and had gotten the key on August 15, and was slowly going to move my stuff and actually formally move in and give up my old place at the end of August. Though I'd continued working despite severe fatigue and pain, I knew I was ill aside from my Raynaud's, which I found extremely difficult to believe would be so bad given it was 100 degrees outside. On the 12th of August I went to see an associate of my family doctor, since my primary doc was out of the country. This doctor looked at my fingers and hand, noted the extreme discoloration and the coldness of my skin and said it was simply my carpal tunnel acting up... no blood work ordered or tests of any kind, she simply told me to wrap it in ice and take Motrin 800 to bring down the pain and swelling. By the 17th, the pain was too much to tolerate, so I had my best friend take me to the ER of a local hospital, where tests established that I was SEVERELY anemic, with a hemoglobin level of only 5.6, and would need a transfusion of at least 4 units of blood. I was admitted into the hospital, was given the transfusions, and doctors began to explore why 3 fingers on my left hand had been in varying degrees of tissue damage (one finger was completely a dark purple, almost black color, while the other 2 were cracking open, a ghostly white color on one finger, blue on the other). More tests were ordered to determine why my hand was behaving as it was. At that time, all the tests had shown was that I had an autoimmune disease. Two days later, I was released having been transfused, and told to make an appointment with a doctor associated with that particular hospital since my own GP was away. This new doctor took one look at my damaged hand and immediately ordered ultrasounds, more specialized blood tests, etc. The hand, teasts shown, was not getting any blood flow at all while compressed, and only very minor amounts of blood when relaxed. The tests also came back as it had while I was in the hospital; that I had an autoimmune disease of unknow origin. More specialized tests more or less confirmed Lupus through process of elimination. I was told to quit my job being unable to sit, stand or do any activity for any period of time. I was prescribed 40 milligrams of Prednisone and was being monitored closely. More drugs to help thin the blood and counter the pain were ultimately prescribed, and I am still being tested with different variations of different drugs to see what works. In the course of 2 months, I went from being very independent and mobile to being either bedridden or in a motorized wheelchair, losing the use of my entire left hand from the mid forearm down, and forcing to give up driving due to a very steady decrease in my vision to the point that I can no longer clearly read anything more than 18 inches away. I'm now being seen by 7 doctors at 3 different facilities, averaging an appointment every 2 weeks, with tests being ordered at that same rate of time. I'm depressed, of course, but all my needs are being met by friends and family members. Pain medicine, drugs for depression and anxiety among othrs keep me essentially in a whole other universe, but I'm hopeful. Have to be positive a remission will come, while maintaing a sense of humor, no matter how depressed and pained I feel. All the doctors I see all say mine is as complex a case as they've seen, and that I'm in for a very lengthy and costly course of treatment. Gotta do what I have to, while grinning and bearing it.


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Welcome to Geophysics
At the Mines Department of Geophysics our hearts and thoughts are with our friends, colleagues, alumni, and corporate partners that are affected by the hurricanes in the southern US and Caribbean Islands.
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Why Geophysics
The world of geophysics is enormous and fascinating. Many are attracted to geophysics because of their fascination with earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, and other natural hazards. Others are drawn by their interest in hot topics such as climate change, carbon management and geothermal energy. Still others love the process of discovery associated with exploration – petroleum exploration, mineral exploration, exploration for water, or planetary exploration.
The Department of Geophysics offers the B.S. degree in geophysical engineering and the M.S. and Ph.D. degrees in both geophysics and geophysical engineering. Our academic programs encompass many interesting fields of study, including physics, mathematics, geology, computer science, signal processing, and much, much more. Students interested in engineering are hired by groundwater, environmental, and subsurface construction firms. Students who are more interested in applied science pursue academic positions or employment by government agencies such as the United States Geological Survey or NASA, or take jobs in industries such as petroleum, mining, or renewable energy.
We invite you to come join us in the excitement of exploring our planet and beyond!
Geophysics is seeing and sensing remotely
beneath the surface of the earth, in the atmosphere, in the oceans, in our solar system.
CSM's Department of Geophysics
- International reputation for excellence in applied geophysics.
- Oldest and broadest program of applied geophysics in North America.
- One of the first U.S universities to offer a B.S. in Geophysical Engineering.
- 50-50 balance between undergraduates/graduates, and between research/teaching.
Serving Colorado, the Nation, the World
Geophysics, along with other geoscience and engineering disciplines, is relevant to solving important problems locally and globally:
Characterizing aquifer dynamics in the Western US
Exploring for water for the 20% of Earth's population that lacks it
Characterizing soil, assessing irrigation in precision agriculture
Exploring and developing oil and gas, coal, coal bed methane, geothermal
Investigating sites for subsurface construction, tunneling
Locating and characterizing underground infrastructure and utilities
Exploring for mineral resources and characterizing in situ and mine leach processes
Monitoring, non-invasively, the utility infrastructure: natural gas, water, telecommunications, roads, railroads
Isolating toxic (nuclear, chemical) waste
Locating land mines and unexploded ordnance (UXO)
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Salinas Valley Memorial Hospital is expected to convene a community advisory committee to help determine its future as a stand-alone organization.
On Thursday, board president Jim Gattis unveiled a proposal that calls for assembling a committee of local stakeholders to create an action plan designed to put the public district hospital on a path toward a "sustainable and viable future" on its own.
Gattis said it's essential to engage the community in the hospital's future after a highly stressful and divisive period in its history, including the exit of longtime CEO Sam Downing, major cost-cutting moves and consideration of potential affiliation opportunities that did not pan out.
"We need to take some small baby steps to rebuild trust," Gattis said.
Under the draft proposal by Gattis and hospital administrators Lowell Johnson, Bob Dvorak and Jim Griffith, the advisory committee would include representatives from the hospital board, administration, medical staff and other employees, along with the hospital foundation, service league and labor groups. The committee would also include area business and community leaders.
The proposal calls for hiring a facilitator, for up to $150,000, to oversee the process.
The committee's focus would be on planning a combination of revenue growth measures, such as expanding specific service lines, labor and non-labor cost reductions, and a physician alignment initiative designed to maximize access to care.
The goal is to improve the hospital's operational bottom line by about $30 million in preparation for the demands of national health care reform, which is expected to cut deeply into the hospital's reimbursement rates, and to rebuild reserves to about 150 days of cash on hand and save up for a new tower by 2030.
The committee would meet six times in evening public sessions from Oct. 3 to Jan. 10, with regular updates to the hospital board, which would consider the committee's recommendation on Jan. 24.
The proposal would still need to be formally adopted by the hospital board, likely by next month. Johnson asked the staff to make the proposal available on the hospital's website by Friday.
Also Thursday, the board approved the choice of an executive recruiting firm — Witt/Kiefer — to conduct a nationwide search for a new permanent CEO.
Downing, the previous CEO, left abruptly in April 2011 amid a growing firestorm over about $5 million in retirement pay he received while the hospital was issuing layoffs and other cost-cutting measures. The payout spawned a state audit of the hospital's business practices and a series of changes such as the elimination of supplemental pensions for hospital executives.
Downing and hospital board member Harry Wardwell are under investigation by the state Fair Political Practices Commission and the District Attorney's Office for potential conflicts of interest involving business dealings with companies linked to board members discovered as a result of the state audit. The DA's office is expected to announce its findings soon.
Gattis was also under investigation by the DA and FPPC as a result of separate allegations, but he has been cleared, said a source with knowledge of the investigation.
Meanwhile, Downing's interim replacement, Johnson, was the subject of a Los Angeles Times story Thursday for paying his daughter $4,000 to drive him to and from the airport in Seattle, where he lives, and then charging it to his Salinas Valley Memorial expense account during his first year on the job.
The veteran hospital administrator, whose contract runs through the end of the year, has been paid $10,000 per week, or $520,000 per year, since he was hired in spring 2011. He is allowed to charge the hospital up to $78,000 per year, or 15 percent of his pay, for personal expenses, including a $1,500 per week travel allowance, as well as reimbursement for business expenses.
The hospital has rented a Salinas home for Johnson at $3,500 per month, and has paid for his airfare, dinner, golf and other expenses.
Jim Johnson can be reached at 753-6753 or firstname.lastname@example.com.