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FDA Panel Says Bone Drug Should No Longer Be Used to Treat Osteoporosis
A U.S. Food and Drug Administration advisory panel voted on Tuesday to recommend that an inhalable osteoporosis drug no longer be used by women because recent research has suggested it might raise the risk of cancer.
In a 12-9 vote, the panel said the risks of Miacalcin and Fortical outweighed the benefits, according to the Associated Press. Novartis makes Miacalcin and Upsher-Smith makes Fortical. Both medications are sold as nasal sprays.
Last July, the European Medicines Agency ruled that the drug should no longer be used to treat bone loss because of the cancer risk, the AP reported.
While some of the panelists said the drug provides a viable alternative for women who cannot tolerate taking bisphosophonates for osteoporosis, other members were not convinced it was a good idea to recommend continued use of the drug, the AP reported.
"I think the cancer risk seems to be low, but it tips the balance for this drug, which has very little evidence of efficacy," said Amy Whitaker, a professor at the University of Chicago.
According to the AP, prescriptions for the medication have plummeted in recent years amid safety concerns about the drugs. Between 2006 and 2011 the number of U.S. patients receiving the drug fell 51 percent, to 205,000.
Non-Hormonal Drugs for Hot Flashes Rejected by FDA Panel
Two drugs being proposed as alternatives to hormones to treat hot flashes in menopausal women were rejected Monday by a U.S. Food and Drug Administration advisory panel.
The committee of outside experts voted 12 to 2 against approving Depomed's extended-release gabapentin and voted 10 to 4 against approving a low-dose formulation of the antidepressant paroxetine developed by Noven Pharmaceuticals, The New York Times reported.
The FDA typically follows the recommendations of its advisory panels.
There are no FDA-approved nonhormonal treatments for menopause-related hot flashes and the committee acknowledged the need for new drugs. However, they said the drugs' risks outweighed their benefit. Research showed that the drugs reduced the number of hot flashes by only one a day compared to a placebo, The Times reported.
Energy Drink Co. Says Teen's Death Not Caused by Caffeine Toxicity
There is no evidence to link a 14-year-old girl's death with caffeine toxicity, according to a group of doctors hired by Monster Beverage Corp.
The energy drink maker is facing a lawsuit related to the death of Anais Fournier, who died from cardiac arrest in December 2011 after drinking two 24-ounce cans of Monster energy drinks within 24 hours, the Wall Street Journal reported.
Her family has sued Monster Beverage Corp., blaming the girl's death on the energy drinks.
On Monday, the company said it had hired heart specialists and other medical experts to examine the girl's medical records. They found no evidence to support the Maryland Medical Examiner's report of "caffeine toxicity" or any connection between her death and the consumption of the energy drinks, WSJ reported.
A jury will determine Monster's accountability in the case, "not doctors paid by billion dollar corporations to attend press conferences," said Kevin Goldberg, a lawyer representing Anais Fournier's family.
Candy Industry Exec Speaks Out Against Obesity
Candy makers need to develop ways to tackle the childhood obesity crisis before they are forced to by the government, the president of Mars Chocolate in North America reportedly urged in a speech at last week's National Confectioners Association meeting in Miami.
According to ABC News, the candy trade publication Confectionary News reported that Debra Sandler said: "If we don't [act], I worry that someone else will do it for us. ... We need the whole industry to step up. ... We are not judged by the leaders of the category but by those who do not take responsibility for change."
Candy accounts for only 2 percent of calories in the average American diet, but candy makers shouldn't use that as an excuse to avoid the issue, Sandler warned. She said candy makers need to do things such as reformulate recipes to lower their products' calorie levels and improve nutrition, and display calorie content more prominently on the front of packaging.
Sandler's remarks were praised by anti-obesity campaigners.
"Mars has been making an effort to be more responsible in how they market candy. It's good to see them calling on their colleagues to do the same," said Margo Wootan, director of nutrition policy at the Center for Science in the Public Interest, told ABC News. The watchdog group has often criticized large food companies.
Each year, Americans consume more than 7.7 billion pounds of candy a year, or about 25 pounds per person, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. About 60 percent of that is chocolate.


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text: Getting on bass with John Inghram By Bill Lynch February 6, 2013 Story Share Kenny Kemp John Inghram will probably remember his big music debut longer than most musicians -- or rather, the bassist will remember what was supposed to be his big debut. In 2005, the then 21-year-old was set to take the stage with the Bob Thompson Unit for Thompson's annual Joy to the World concert. CHARLESTON, W.Va. -- John Inghram will probably remember his big music debut longer than most musicians -- or rather, the bassist will remember what was supposed to be his big debut.In 2005, the then 21-year-old was set to take the stage with the Bob Thompson Unit for Thompson's annual Joy to the World concert. Backstage on the night before the show, he was injured in a fall."I came through the back," he said. "I was running a few minutes late, so I was hustling."Backstage at the Culture Center, there was a lot of chaos. The holiday special was being recorded for television. 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imagine my surprise when i went to pick up the number for today's local 5k and i saw jtizzle on the list of registered runners. I'm not sure how fast i can run today with no speed work since about four weeks ago, but you can bet i will do my best to hold on when he drops the hammer!!
Sub 17 (and sub18) Minute 5k in 2015
Ran my final race of the track season and at my current middle school. It was raining and the wind was 20 mph gusting to 30. my race started around one and the rain piBoyd up a bit. I had a good complete warmup with some dynamic stretches and then hit the track. After a few strides I lined up on the track. I went out hard but under control too get a good position. splits were, 74, 78, 78, 76. I was in third place with a pack I had been drafting off into the third lap. the pace slowed with 300m to go and I almost made a move but didn't think I could hold the lead into the wind for the last 150. I stayed on their shoulder until 50m to go when we all started sprinting. I gave it my all and my legs were cramped up and I pushed to my list but came up short. Final time of 5:06 (2 second off the winner). A 6 second PR. I think with perfect conditions I could have come very close to sub-5. I have a road mile in two week which will be my last try ethics year.
Sounds like a good race, pitcherpde! Great job. Sub 5 isn't too far away and in the right race you could be knocking on the door.
I went ahead and jumped back into my regular training plan this week. Trying to run 40 mpw just wasn't working for me, physically or mentally. Had little motivation. Really weird, actually.
So I got in just over 72 miles this week with two decent workouts and I'm starting to feel like I was in late winter. Excited, fit, and hungry. Hungry mentally and physically. I can't stop eating. Can't lose weight either. Irritating, actually. Ha.
Mon: 3.1 am, 5.3 pm, both easy.
Tues: 3.5 am, 6.2 pm with 5x10s hill sprints
Wed: 3 am, 9 pm including a 10k tempo (marathon pace) in 38:38, 6:13/mile.
Thurs: 3.7 am, 5.3 pm, both easy
Fri: 4.3 am, 5.8 pm with 6x10s hill sprints
Sat: 8.5 including 5x1k in 3:29 avg w/ 200m recoveries in 54 secs avg on the track..
Sun: 10.9 easy am, 3.8 steady pm.
my week was 65 of 70 planned miles. didnt feel good running out of town this weekend so i cut short the planned 15 miler.
got in some good work though in the week, 5 tempo and 6x400s at mile pace. next week will have a longer tempo session of maybe 40-45 minutes (7-8mi) @5:40-5:42/mi. dunno what i will do for speedwork...something geared towards the mile. maybe some retribution for my failed 400s on friday. maybe 6x600m? that sounds hard
Pitch- Congrats on the PR! Sounds like you had some difficult running conditions and powered through.
JLC and Unireed, nice weeks. You guys are putting in some solid work.
Rough week for me overall . Was battling some Tibial Periostitis and thought it was a stress fracture so I stayed off it for the whole week until I got cleared by a podiatrist and PT. Had a good race on Saturday which was an impromptu registration in a tough 5k and squeeked out a 17:07. A little disappointed but felt good about the effort considering. Was in position to go sub 17 but really lost my mental edge over the last .1 of the race. Got squeezed in the final turn while running in a 3 person pack on the inside and lost my stride and gave up 11 seconds to the two other guys, they finished 16:55 & 16:56, that I ran down at the 3 mile mark. Brief lapse cost me but I was happy with the effort through 3 miles and how I pulled some guys in at the end. Splits were 5:26,5:27,5:18 (forgot to turn off my watch so not sure what exactly happend at the end but must have really dogged it).
Grand total of 11 miles on the week. Leg is feeling better so will probably ease into it this week.
Generally a decent week of easy and recovery miles, combined with a disappointing 5K performance. I think three weeks of taking it easy post-marathon should be sufficient to start adding some speedwork back in again.
M - Rest
Tu - 8 in 58:35 (7:19 pace)
W - 8 w/8x100 strides in 54:52 (6:51 pace)
Th - Rest
F - 8 in 58:04 (7:15 pace)
Sa - 6.4 w/ 3.16 in 17:32 (5:32 pace)
Su - 12 in 1:26:39 (7:13 pace)
Saturday was my only real quality day of the week. Ran the first of 8 5-10K races in a local road race series. It was a cool day for me because my wife walked the race with our son (his first road race) and he also ran in a fun run (sort of) after the 5K. The day got off to an easy enough start with 2 miles of moderate jogging and a few strides at the starting line to get my legs loose. I had a brief moment of panic when I was left in care of our son while my wife stepped away to use the restroom - the line ended up being much longer than either of us thought, and she hadn't yet returned by a couple minutes before the starting gun. Thankfully, there was another local runner at the race who was not participating and offered to watch my son until my wife got back - she showed up a minute or two later, before the gun went off, so things were all good. Then the race began......
Prior to Boston, I had run a 16:50-something at a 5K as a final speed workout so I came into the Saturday race thinking I was going to break 17 easily and I would cruise to a top 5 finish. With that mentality in mind, I ran out with the lead pack (I believe I led the race for a split second before a very fit guy in a US Bank singlet passed me and settled into the lead that he would never relinquish). The first mile of the race was a mix of uphill and flat (53 feet of climb and 6 feet of descent according to my Garmin) and I made the mistake of trying to run too fast out of the gate. I split the first mile in 5:26 and immediately knew I'd gone beyond my current abilities. The second mile (79 foot climb, 53 foot descent all on one short steep downhill) was not pretty. As jtizzle passed me right around the 1 mile marker for the first/last/only time, I told him my legs were shot and then I ran a 5:43 just to prove to him how unprepared I was for this race. By the third mile, I had been passed by eight guys since my overly aggressive start and I was sitting in 9th place where I would remain until I crossed the finish line. The final mile is mostly flat with a small up and down hill shortly before you turn into the park where the finish line is. I ran a 5:32 pace for mile 3 and managed a pretty pathetic finishing kick with a 5:12 average for the last 0.16. On a day when very few talented 30-somethings showed up, my finish was good enough for second in my age group and a meager 15 second improvement over my time on the same course last year. I was disappointed with my performance, but it was still a top 10 finish (out of about 1100 total runners/walkers). So I'm taking it for what it was - a decent time on a fairly challenging course. I start back up with speedwork again this week, and I'm planning to put up more of a fight in the second series race Memorial Day weekend.
timmah, get in a few workouts and you'll forget about the 17:xx territory. that also sounded like a fairly hilly course for a road race.
tempo tuesday coming up. last week was just 5 miles a bit fast, so this week will be longer, maybe 6-8 depending on how i feel/how fast we go. i'll be happy if every mile is sub 5:45.
Did some 400's at 5k pace for the first time last night. Was a little erratic out there and need to work on my track pacing but they went well considering. I mixed in 200m recoveries and think I need to slow them down a bit as I was ripping sub 7's early in the workout and think it caught up to me.
Track was very busy and actually had to run around a group of 3 that were occupying the inside 3 lanes a few times. Might need to seek out an alternative track with less foot traffic.
Did a speed session on Tuesday of 25x30s @ ave 4:58 pace with 30s jog recovery. Felt tough. Think I did the runs too fast. The plan I'm following said run hard or 3k pace. My 3k pace should be 5:15 based on McMillan.
Today was a 4.5 tempo @ 5:58 with 2M wu / 0.5M cd. Easy run tomorrow I think.
Yesterday I did an easy speed session to get used to my new goal paces. 1000 at current 5k pace, 1:00 rest, 1000 at goal 5k pace, 3 minutes rest, 800 at goal 5k pace. I went 3:30 the first on. And felt super easy, 3:23 the next, then on the 800 kicked after 400 and went 2:27 (a two second pr). today was a 4 mile tempo where I actually ran my tempo pace and didnt race. Went 24:00 without my bathroom break at mile 3. Felt controlled but tough at the end. It was a No-cloud 85 degree day. Tomorrow and Saturday I am going to run easily maybe a couple tempo miles during one of the runs then bike and swim on Sunday. Was going to do a 5k but I don't really feel every motivated to do one this weekend so I bailed.
so i didnt do the tempo tuesday, i did 4x2k instead faster than tempo, close to 10k pace.
averaged 6:38 which is right on 5:20/mi. felt tougher than a tempo run for me.
did 4/5 recovery on wednesday feeling tired, and 7 today still a little tired. tomorrow will be a speed workout of sorts. something at mile effort to get used to the pace. maybe 4x400, 4x300, 4x200.
Some good workouts by you guys, and still a decent race result, Tinmah. Sure you'll nail it a bit better in the next go-around. Good race, too, jtizzle!
I've got a 3 mile race on dirt roads coming up on Sunday. Mostly flat with one little incline that takes us up onto a 10 ft. wide embankment thing. Inevitably we start catching the 10k folks at this point so there's usually a bit of chaos and slowdown for half a mile or so before turning back on to the main, bigger road.
Planning on hitting 70ish again this week. Went to the track on Tuesday and did a 4k progression tempo starting at marathon pace and going a bit under 10k pace. Splits were 3:50, 3:42, 3:36, 3:28. Then went straight into a 4x200m on/off and had 34,34,35,35 for those with about 61 seconds recovery.
Then today went to the track again for 6x300m on, 200m off at around 3k pace and managed 56,51; 58,52; 56,53; 57,53; 56,55; 56,50. I did this same session on the Thursday before my 16:48 in January and this time was a little quicker all around, so hopefully that's good. Of course it wasn't 35 degrees either, so who knows.
Have a good weekend, everyone!
JLC I at first though you did 300 on, 300 off, making your splits pretty ridiculously fast. hopefully you can drop some time off 16:40s.
doing something hard tomorrow, probably at or near mile pace or 4:30s. probably a mix of 400s, 300s and 200s getting faster.
5k went well today. Here's the boring report...feel free to skip to the end if you're not interested in the gory details.
I didn't do much of a taper this week, aside from no speed session. My mileage is around the same, and I'll end up with low 50s again this week. I did a low volume 4x1/4 mile at 6 flat pace yesterday just as a sharpener for the race. I actually was forced to do that on the TM because of some torrential downpours we had all throughout last night here. I'm normally absolutely last resort on the TM, so that will give you an idea of how it was outside. Luckily it had dried up fairly well over night. Temp was much cooler this morning than it has been all week, around 50 degrees F, which plays to my advantage. The wind was calm, and it was overcast. I woke up 2 hours before the start, and immediately ate what turned out to be a much bigger and carb filled breakfast than normal. I was actually afraid I overate. I had two jelly covered waffles, oatmeal, a cup of greek yogurt, and a couple cups of coffee. I went for a light 2 mile run before I left the house. I also did another 1/2 mile warmup near the start with some random sprint bursts.
I did exactly what I wanted to do, and that was just keep even pace throughout. The course was fairly flat, out and back, with a few hard 90 degree turns where it jumps onto the sidewalk. I didn't look at the watch a whole lot, just an occasional glance to ensure I was around 5:28 pace or so, which I always was. Got to the 2 mile mark and the guy shouted 10:55, so I knew I was still good. I think I lost pace just slightly in the 3rd mile, but was able to kick the last 0.15 miles or so pretty good to get back where I wanted. The clock at the finish as I thought I read it said 16:54, but I was mistaken evidently. Official race time was reported at 16:51. It was good enough for 1st overall, course record, and a PR by more than 1.5 minutes. I officially skipped right over 17:xx which is pretty satisfying.
Roadkill - could you chalk me up on the list? New goal for 2013 is 16:30.
Redtel - Thanks. No special training here, pretty much your basic standard "textbook" stuff. For the 12 weeks or so before my half on March 23rd, I was averaging 60 mpw, on 6 running days, with one speed work, one 6 mile tempo, and a 14 mile long run with no speed involved at all. The rest were simple easy miles, a lot at 8 min/mile +. I do a couple days of weights also with mostly upper body stuff (non-running-beneficial), and some squats, lunges, and calf raises. I do make sure that running takes priority over the weights if there's a choice to be made. Since then, I've dropped to about 50-52 mpw, with basically the same types of runs and weights, but shorter long run, shorter faster tempo (4 miles), and a couple easy days are cut a little short. My easy pace has seemed to naturally drop to around 7:30 / mile. For my speed work I try to mix it up on the distance and recovery times, but I do tend to favor a 5 or 6x1000m, with a few shorter sprint like intervals laced in such as 3x300m. For my tempo day, if it's 4 miles or less, I'll try to run it 10-12 seconds per mile faster than HM pace. For longer ones up to 6 miles I'll keep it at goal HM pace. I've never run hills, or fartleks or anything else different like that. One thing that I am sold on completely is to keep easy runs easy, and hard runs hard. Any in between effort running is the land of no return. I really never thought I would be able to totally skip 17:xx. Maybe it was just the huge breakfast I had (?)
DJW- Nice race! that is sure the way to do it, just skip the 17's. Hopefully I won't spend to much time in the 17:00's.
I was going to do 10 today but my legs were completely dead so I went for a 1300m swim. I just finished some yardwork which gave me a good workout, had to lift 100+ 20-40 pund bricks and move them across my yard. My legs freshened up and I might do 6-8 miles later when it gets cooler. It's 90 degrees right now.
congrats DJW. i spent WAY to long in the 17:xx range. i think it was april 2011 to march 2013. now i've done 3 races in the 16:xx and one sub 16.
had a solid miler workout yesterday. 4x400, 4x300, 4x200 all with 90 sec recoveries. hit 68 on each 400, avg 68.25, then avg 49s for 300s which were tougher, then 31-32 for the 200s.
this was a good confidence booster for my mile speed. last week i had to bail halfway through my speed workout, so i was happy to just complete this, and to hit goal pace perfectly was a bonus.
I'm running one of those weird mid week Thursday evening races this week and I'm never sure on what I should do for workouts on the days leading up to it. I did a tempo workout on Tuesday and a VOMax workout on Thursday last week, and will replace one of those two workouts with the Thursday race this week. Does it make more sense to replace the intervals or the tempo?
Absolutely smashing result, DJW. Huge congratulations. Such a huge amount of time lopped off the PR, too. Great stuff.
Smoking workout, unireed. Sounds like you're really firing on all cylinders and ready to kill that mile.
Tinmah, I'd skip the VO2 workout and instead do a tempo around hmp or a bit slower (or at least slower than 1 hour pace). Shorter races and VO2max workouts can start taking away your aerobic fitness if you don't stay on top of that. VO2 max is usually maxed out after 5-6 workouts (in 4-5 weeks) anyway, plus with the racing you're probably stressing that system well enough.
Actually, if you're doing the workout Tuesday two days before the race I wouldn't even go with a full tempo, I'd probably just break it up into 2-3x1 mile slower than threshold, maybe with one or two faster strides after that. Guess it depends on the goal of your race, though, if you're just training through and whatnot. Good luck in the race!
Had yet another disaster of a race yesterday. Since my PR in January I have actually gotten measurably worse in 5 out of the 6 races I've done and underperformed by a good minute in my one actually decent 10k race. I managed third at the end of the day but that was more from a lack of competition than anything I've done. Think I averaged a bit slower than my 10k pace from a couple of months ago. Yikes. Some consistency there, I guess. Wrong kind of consistency.
At this point I'm really ready to be done with this abysmal spring and looking forward to jumping into a huge summer of training so I can come out with a clean slate in the fall. Still have two 10ks, though, over the next two Sundays. If I could manage a sub 35 in one of them then that'd really go a long way in salvaging this disaster of a spring. I don't know how feasible that is now, especially since it's getting hotttt now and I melt in the heat. Have to wait and see I guess.
Great running everyone. Keep it up.
JLC good luck in those 10ks.
timmah, i wouldn't do a workout before the race. maybe some 400s at goal pace to nail down the effort, although you probably wouldnt have done this earlier today. so good luck. maybe some strides tomorrow
Sorry about the result in the 10k JCL. Timmah good luck in the mile.
Had the worst "run" ever yesterday. For my final day of chinese class we had an american + chinese food buffet. After a 5 guys burger, 4 dumplings, lots of fruits, some weird chinese bread, ice cream, and fries, I was very full. I started my run 1.5 hours later and it was bad. I made through 2.5 miles then died. Felt super nauseous and kept going really slowly for a mile, then I puked. I hobbled my way back and it was utterly horrid.
Thanks for the advice unireed and JLC. I'm just starting to get my mileage ramped back up again toward pre-marathon numbers and I'm feeling a little beat up, so taking easier definitely seems like a good idea.
Uni - how many reps would you typically try to get in at 5K pace? I'm thinking I'll head over to the local high school after work today and get those in a couple days prior to the race.
just like 6 if you're doing them today and racing thursday. dont do them any faster than goal pace. it shouldn't be hard at all
I ended up doing 8x400 over lunch and it felt good. My goal pace is 5:24 (81 second quarters). The first 6 were pretty close and then I sort of drifted a little faster for the last two (80, 83, 80, 81, 82, 81, 79, 78). Finished feeling refreshed instead of wiped out like I would after a full speed workout. I may do a few easy miles tonight after my son goes to bed and then 7 easy/recovery miles tomorrow.
good work on that timmah, i guess it's a 5k then. thought it was a 10k for some reason...
i got in another tempo run, my second of these last few weeks.
2 weeks ago was 5 @5:38 with 167ish HR, then last week was 4x2000m at 5:20 pace.
today was 6.25 @5:40. HR 169 avg, 173 avg of last 5.25 miles. this was noticeably tougher than 2 weeks ago, with a decent wind the whole time, switching off about every 1k from head to tail. it was a 2k loop.
i hit 10k in 35:09 which is a 56-second PR I think. spits were 5:48, 5:43, 5:37, 5:35, 5:43, 5:37, 63 (0.2). the last mile, my HR was 177 maxing at 181. definitely not easy, and felt as difficult as the last mile of an 8k or 10k but without the finishing kick to really redline. i think that 5:42/mi will be a good target in 2 weeks. this effort level today was unsustainable unless i have a better day.
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You've got some serious speed Uni. Do you see your speed sessions as more beneficial than your tempo's in driving you to your current level? Sometimes if I struggle to fit in all runs in a week I often wonder whether to drop the tempo or drop the intervals.
What do you guys do as preparation right before a 5k? I normally just jog for about 5 minutes and do some strides. I've heard some people do a couple of miles prior to a race. I want to do whatever will benefit me more.
My opinion is that the best pre-race warmup is the exact same warmup you would do before an interval workout. Do what you're comfortable with and what you've practiced. I typically run 2 miles and then do some strides, but I'm not a trained runner - I have just sort of picked things up over the years. There's a former semi-elite runner in my region who I see at 5K's once in awhile and he has a whole dynamic stretching routine that he does. Maybe that will work for elites, but in my mind I want to conserve as much energy as I can for the race ;-)
Ran a 5K yesterday - 17:18, 8th overall and 2nd in my age group. It was a 15 second improvement over my run a couple weekends ago, but I felt much better about this effort. The first two miles are mostly flat and the third has some uphill followed by one sharp downhill, so I split the first mile in 5:19. The second mile was much slower (5:39) and that was a bit concerning to me, but then I managed a 5:36 for the final (hilliest) mile. The last 0.15 miles my watch showed a 4:42 average pace, which felt great but was probably a bit unnecessary since the 9th place runner had faded noticeably and there was no way I was going to catch the 7th place runner.
Even though I'm not back sub-17 yet, I felt good about this race for a couple reasons. First, I am satisfied that I was able to run the third mile faster than the second even with the uphill in the third mile. I take this as an indicator that I might have overcompensated a bit in the second mile and slowed down more than I needed to after the first 5:19 mile. Second, I was very happy with the strong finishing kick. I was bummed about my previous 5K because I managed somewhere around a 5:15 pace for the final stretch and I really felt like my body just gave up on me. I finished yesterdays race strong and felt like I would have been in control if somebody had been challenging me at the end.
My take away from the race is that I believe the speed is coming back, but I need to re-learn how to manage a race of this distance. I've been in marathon mindset for so long that I think I left way too much in the tank yesterday for fear that I would need to save something for later. Over the next couple weeks, I'm going to be in full 5K training mode with three 'quality' workouts a week, so I'm hoping that by my next race I will have a better idea of what my current 5K race pace is and I can just go out and attack it without hesitation.
Garmin Data - http://connect.garmin.com/activity/314048301
Race Results - http://www.coolrunning.com/res...16_RockNR_set1.shtml
Redtel - this last 5k was the first that I did anything more than just a light jog before. I did two miles at an easy pace about an hour before the race, and another 1/2 mile with some short sprint like bursts right before the start. It seemed to work out well for me. I've also heard of and seen many runners jog the whole course right before as well.
Thanks guys, it's always useful for me to see how you are doing things.
Before my 5k this morning I did just over a mile warmup, followed by 3 minutes at 10k pace (I read that priming is good for you).
My race felt hard and I missed a PB by 3 seconds. It was torrential rain, soaked to the skin even with a rain jacket, and a third of the course was muddy and deep puddles as a result of the rain. Not sure how much these factors would affect the time but I'm thinking without those things I would have had a PB.
Strong races everyone, I feel like I am behind the pack on the race to sub-17
Did my first triathlon of the season today. 500m swim, 12.5 mile bike, 3.3 mile run (supposed to be 5k). I haven't done a tri in 9 months (I didn't even finish due to a flat tire) and I haven't run after biking in about 10 months.The swim was horrible, 300 person mass start into the ocean. I got trampled with people clawing at my feet. Finished in ~7:50 (1:34 per 100m) I had the current behind me so the time didn't end up being that bad. The transition was 800m across the beach and a parking lot. I got on the bike and began to hammer. First two 3.1 mile laps took me ~16:30 (23mph). Once I saw there wasn't anyone near me to pass I slowed down to save my legs up for the run. Finished the bike in 34:30ish. Had a slow transition because I had to tie my shoes, usually I have speed laces but was to lazy to put them on last night Got off the bike and my legs were trashed, totally underestimated the affect of biking on my legs. Got off slowly in 6:35 and passed two people, then 6:27 the next mile and I passed 6 people, the final mile was a 6:20 and I almost reeled in another person but ran out of road. I finished in 1:09 in 9th place out of a few hundred people. Overall a great experience and can't wait to race some more in the summer.
redtel: This speedwork is a recent endeavor. I got in shape by running 70 mpw for jan, feb, and march before taking it down a notch in april/may. i've only been doing this speedwork for 3 weeks, and it's getting a little easier each time.
as for a warmup, i agree with timmah. if you do 5 mile or 5 minute warmups for your tempo/interval runs, you should do the same for a race. any race under 2.5 hours. i used to do like 10 minute warmups, for both workouts and races. i wasnt very good then, so it probably didnt make a big difference, but now i can definitely tell when i'm not properly warmed up.
timmah: here's some advice for the 5k. tried and true for 9/10 guys on my team this year. even if you go out too fast, you have to commit. as soon as you let up, you're out of it. you went out in 5:19, which may be too fast, but it wouldnt kill you. you have to stay mentally hot, no backing off. you may not have a 4:40 pace kick at the end, but i'd rather finish on my knees in 16:59 than in a full sprint in 17:10.
also, i wouldnt do 3 quality workouts per week, unless you are counting a LR as quality. i would only do 3 quality workouts if my mileage was below 55ish, because i would never be recovered enough to hammer the workouts.
redtel 2: nice 5k. definitely lost some time in those conditions. way more than 3 seconds. maybe 10 depending on traction control.
pitcher, in a tri i imagine that experience is very important, which you appear to lack. 23 mph is pretty dang fast. i need a tri bike...i was never really able to transfer running fitness to cycling. my legs just arent strong enough, especially in the quads.
yesterday i did 12x300m with one partner. the goal was 51.0 which is 4:32/1600m. averaged 51.5 which would be 4:34. not bad, and i never felt like it was that difficult. recoveries were 60 seconds jogging.
ran 5 easy today, may run tonight to get in some more recovery miles. long run planned for tomorrow, hopefully 14-16 to put me around 65-70 mpw.
Thanks Uni. Gives me some hope that with the right conditions I will hopefully bring the time down.
Have another 5k next Saturday so I'll see how that goes.
DJW- That's a rediculous PR, congrats. Must be a great feeling crushing a previous ceiling by that much.
Red- Nice race despite the conditions. I would imagine you would have been considerably under your previous PR if it was not for the rain. The rain jacket alone probably cost you 3 seconds!! Can't stand running with jackets and I normally just go shirtless whenever it starts raining (weather permitting).
Timmah- Nice work over in Concord. Looks like it's coming together nicely for the summer session. My aunt ran her first 5k there as well.
Pitch- Props on the Tri. Have always wanted to do one but just can't get over the initial cost to get into that sport. My friend does Ironmans and is really into it but I just can't afford to drop the money on a bike at this point.
Been on the shelf for a few weeks as my calf/shin issue has really started to flare up after I ran a few races on it. Got in in first pain free run last night so looking forward to getting out the door more.
Hello All,
I would like to throw my hat into the ring for a Sub 17 this year as well.
I started back into running in August and am really loving it!
I am up to about 70 miles per week and am planning to top out at 95 or so after this current program I am on.
I just ran a 1:17:43 Half on Saturday so I figure I am in good position to shoot for sub 17 next month. Final goal for this year 16:30.
sure is dead here
well, my little injury scare is still scaring me. not out of the woods yet, but i'm icing and running very easy. did 3 on monday, 4 tuesday, 5 wednesday, almost 6 thursday. guess what i'm going today, lol.
anyone think there's merit in running maybe 1600-3000 meters at HMP today with a race in 2 days? i want to see if my leg gets any worse after some goal pace miles. or do i keep laying off and just hope for the best?
Uni- I wouldn't advise doing the 1600-3200 at race pace, I feel pretty sure that your legs wouldn't get worse the faster you run, but then again I really don't know that much.
Tomorrow is my mile race on the road. I though it would be my last opportunity to break 5 before high-school but I was wrong their will be 4 track races this summer I can run. Even though I have those track races I am going to get it out of the way and run a 4:55 (I am trying to sound definite so I know, not believe, I can run sub-5). Yesterday I did 8 miles easy at 7:20 pace and tonight I will do 4 to loosen up at 7:30 pace.
Uni - I can't imagine you would gain a lot so close to your race so I would just save yourself and go for it in your race. If your legs react bad during your race it would maybe have happened anyway if you did your 3200 at race pace. Good luck.


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You'd think the Bears had the best offense in the NFL by listening to the MNF crew.
I thought this game was not that bad considering it involved two backup QBs but the Bears/Packers were never about the QBs when it comes to rival games.
They say Rodgers broke his collarbone but he had no sling...
Flynn knows the Green Bay system, but has to clear waivers. I wonder if some team out there will be an a** and pick up him just to keep GB from getting him?
As they should, MNF games since leaving ABC and TNF will always get poor ratings being on premium channels that a minority of Americans have...
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So who has Aaron Rodgers on their fantasy team?
I think they're putting Favre out there so they can get Matt Flynn while others are distracted.
The Dolphins situation is kind of the clash of old school football ideals vs new school ideology. Incognito is a racist by his words, and says and does some bad stuff, but mostly has the support of his teammates big time over Martin. Martin is viewed as a quitter and a guy that couldn't handle the NFL.
The small amount of evidence and the media view Incognito as a horrible monster racist, and Martin as a poor innocent victim, but I feel (especially in football) you have to get angry and pissed off at some point, and have to eventually (if it is true), stop taking the **** that is being thrown at you. Was Martin so sheltered his entire life that he never dealt with this before, who knows.
I think there are tons of people jumping to a conclusion way before all the facts are out. It seems from evidence that Incognito is not a nice person according to words alone and his prior league stuff in St Louis, I don't deny that. I just think Martin needed to stand up for himself, (if he did and nothing changed, that's a different matter) besides up and leaving.
"It's just unfortunate that we've been penalized so much this year and nothing has happened to the Pistons, the Palace or the city of Detroit," he said. "It's almost like it's always our fault. The league knows it. They should be ashamed of themselves to let the security be as lax as it is around here."
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No offense, but its funny you say people are jumping to conclysions then you jump to a conclusion.
personally i think there is still a lot yet to come out.
What conclusion is he jumping to? That Incognito is not a nice person? You do know that Jonathan Martin has a voice mail from Incognito calling him a ****** right?
[edit]Nevermind, I see what you were saying I read the original post wrong. I'm leaving my post though in case anyone hasn't heard the latest.[/edit]
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No worries Travmil, I was gonna post the same reply to Heisenberg for his post that mentions Martin reminds him of Pitcock.
Serious question. Does anyone from Miami (GM, coaches, etc) get fired before the season is over? Or does this have to get bigger for that to happen?
Can I ask kind of a stupid question. What in the hell is a "leadership council"? Perhaps I am just young/really green, but I have heard of team captains, even co-captains, but never a "leadership council"
Multiple sources confirmed to ESPN that the following is a transcript of a voice message Incognito left for Martin in April 2013, a year after Martin was drafted:"Hey, wassup, you half n----- piece of s---. I saw you on Twitter, you been training 10 weeks. [I want to] s--- in your f---ing mouth. [I'm going to] slap your f---ing mouth. [I'm going to] slap your real mother across the face [laughter]. F--- you, you're still a rookie. I'll kill you."
Sources tell ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter that officials from both the NFL and the Dolphins have heard the tape and have copies of the message.
Sources familiar with the tapes say these are terms Incognito used over time and were not isolated incidents, including the use of the racial epithet multiple times.
Sources also say Martin received a series of texts that included derogatory terms referring to the female anatomy and sexual orientation.
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I HATE this ESPN headline: Giants' Rolle: Martin 'allowed it to happen'
New York Giants safety Antrel Rolle apparently is among those who blame Jonathan Martin, at least in part, for the incidents that led to the offensive lineman leaving the Miami Dolphins.
Speaking on his weekly WFAN radio appearance in New York on Tuesday, Rolle made it clear that he believed Richie Incognito, who has been suspended indefinitely for conduct detrimental to the team, to be in the wrong for his alleged harassment of Martin.
But Rolle also indicated a belief that Martin could have done more to prevent himself from being bullied.
"Was Richie Incognito wrong? Absolutely," Rolle told the radio station. "But I think the other guy is just as much to blame as Richie, because he allowed it to happen.
"At this level, you're a man. You're not a little boy. You're not a freshman in college. You're a man."
Multiple sources confirmed to ESPN on Monday that Incognito used racial epithets and profane language toward Martin on multiple occasions.
Sources also say Martin received a series of voice mail messages and texts that included derogatory terms referring to the female anatomy and sexual orientation.
The NFL is investigating the situation while Incognito is suspended and Martin takes a leave of absence. But there is some sense in NFL player circles that locker rooms should be self-policed, and Rolle's sentiments echo that.
"I think everything has its limits," Rolle said. "So there's no way that another man is going to make me pay for something that I choose not to pay for.
"So, Richie Incognito, is he wrong? Absolutely. But I think the other guy is just as much to blame. Hopefully he's able to bounce back and recover from all that has happened and take awareness of, you know, man, you're a grown-*** man. You need to stand up for yourself. Hazing is one thing. Bullying is another."
There needs to be immediate and widespread backlash against anyone spouting the kind of non-sense Rolle spouts here.
I am normally one to say "lets not blame the victim" but I actually kind of agree with him.
Dont get me wrong. Bullying is wrong. But even as a freshman (track, so not a big sport) I had freshman ****up day (all freshman in the school got messed with) then for track I had to bring donuts to film sessions and if I would have actually made any of the road trips I am sure I would have been forced to carry bags/do the grunt work (which I ended up doing a lot my sophomore year).
I think the diffrence, however, is one is playfu and a right of passage. We hate getting hazed, and I hesitate to use that word because I did not consider buying donuts for the team hazing.
Now, 15K for a trip I dont go on? Thats nuts. I get not wanting to have conflict, but I kind of agree with Rolle. Thats not hazing, that harassment, esp. with all those calls and texts. I know that hindsight is 20/20, but I would have seriously laughed in someones face (esp if I make 300K and after taxes/agent that prob only 150)
After all that rambling, I guess I kind of see what Rolle is saying. You are a grown man. Speak up (even if that means going to the coaches/your teammates vice fighting dude in a parking lot)
This goes way beyond hazing.
If this is true, this is going have serious repercussions. You just can't do thatWhen Armando Salguero of the Miami Heraldvisited PFT Live on Tuesday and we discussed the possibility that Dolphins guard Richie Incognitos treatment of tackle Jonathan Martin came at the behest of a coaching staffhoping to make Martin tougher, Salguero predicted that, if that ends up being the case, a lot of people will be fired.A lot of people apparently will be fired.
According to Omar Kelly of the South Florida Sun-Sentinel, Dolphins coaches asked Incognito to toughen up Martin after he missed a voluntary workout during the 2013 offseason. Kelly cites at least two unnamed sources.
Per the unnamed sources, Incognito may have taken his orders too far. Specifically, the sources tell Kelly that the racially-charged voice message from Incognito to Martin came after skipped two days of the teams voluntary OTA program.
Incognito was encouraged by his coaches to make a call that would get [Martin] into the fold, Kelly reports.
Regardless of whether Incognito took his orders too far, those who gave the orders will be facing serious consequences, if the report is accurate. Management-level employees cant pull the rip cord on a reputed nut job and then throw their hands in the air and say that was an overreaction when the local enforcer is overly zealous with his methods of enforcement.
Apart from the fact that the report suggests a violation of the rules regarding voluntary workouts, the report indicates that the coaches set in motion the events that resulted in Martin leaving the team due to ongoing harassment by Incognito. Even though Kellys report focuses specifically on communications occurring in the offseason, its quite possible that the effort to toughen up Martin was as extensive as the cinematic effort to train PFC William Santiago.
To summarize, one of the biggest messes in recent years is about to get a lot messier. And if Kellys report is accurate, more people than Incognito will soon be former employees of the Dolphins
Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.
I was going to delete my post as I feel parts of it are not sort of what I meant to say, but I can't really take it back.
I'll just say; Incognito is crazy as **** and now really reading a lot of the stuff around, you can't really fight a guy like that, he'll just keep coming back at you forever.
Martin is in a no-win situation really, and he took the way that exposed this clown for who he was, and possibly the Dolphins as well, while probably ruining his own career. A guy that can take happiness over money I can respect, he just is probably now realizing that he's dealing with decades of football/locker room history that needs to be changed for 2013.
"It's just unfortunate that we've been penalized so much this year and nothing has happened to the Pistons, the Palace or the city of Detroit," he said. "It's almost like it's always our fault. The league knows it. They should be ashamed of themselves to let the security be as lax as it is around here."
----------------- Reggie Miller
Wow. It feels like new things about the story keep popping up every hour or something.
Admittedly I couldn't stop laughing after reading this one:
*Did you order the code red?* YOU'RE GOD DAMN RIGHT I DID! - Joe Philbin— Adam Jacobi (@Adam_Jacobi) November 6, 2013
All the tweets leading to the above:
Adam Jacobi @Adam_Jacobi 11h
"Colonel Joseph R. Philbin, Commanding Officer, National Football League, Miami, Florida."
"Have you ever spent time on a football team, son? Ever served on an offensive line?"
"Ever put your block in another lineman's hands, ask him to put his block in yours? We run plays, son. We run plays or people get sacked."
"Son, we live in a world that has offensive lines, and those lines have to be filled by 350-pound men with helmets. Who's gonna do it? You?"
" I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Martin, and you curse the Dolphins' o-line. You have that luxury."
"You have the luxury of not knowing what coaches know. That Martin's departure, while tragic, probably saved Ryan Tannehill's life."
"And Richie Incognito's existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves quarterbacks' lives."
"You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about on Twitter, you want him on that line. YOU NEED HIM ON THAT LINE."
"We use words like shiver, rip technique, smash. We use those words as a backbone of a life spent defending quarterbacks."
"You use them as a comment on Pro Football Talk."
"I have neither the TIME nor the INCLINATION to EXPLAIN MYSELF to a man who rises and sleeps under the fandom of the very team I coach..."
"...and then *****es on Twitter about the way I provide it."
"I would rather you just said "thank you" and bought a season ticket."
"Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a helmet, and stand at left tackle."
"Either way, I don't give a DAMN what you football fans think you're entitled to."
"*Did you order the code red?* YOU'RE GOD DAMN RIGHT I DID! - Joe Philbin"
Apparently, Roy Hibbert now plays for the New York Jets.
So, Martin starts dealing with this guy, probably tells him to cool it. When that doesn't work, he goes to his coaches......who ordered the guy to treat him that way. When he gets no traction there what's his last option? There's not a single person anywhere saying he should have stood up for himself that would tolerate being treated like that. Not one. They should all shut the hell up.
My stance on it all:
So... as crazy as this sounds, and I'm not saying I agree with this, but trying to understand it.... I think the basis of hazing/initiating is the "ends justify the means". The means would be poor treatment. The ends would be a tougher individual and closer relationship (once everyone makes up).
That said... if what you're trying for is a tougher individual... and a tighter relationship, there's much better ways to go about it. There are "leaders" out there who motivate by fear... and others by respect. People work their hardest alongside you and for you when they respect you and like you and have a true desire to be the best they can be. People will not work as hard for you when they fear you... they'll just work as hard as necessary to appease you, but not necessarily their hardest.
There are ways to convey/instill toughness in someone without beating the crap out of them. If I had to guess... and from what I'm hearing... Incognito was tasked with toughening up Martin. The problem was the method he chose to enact it.
In no normal working situation does anyone have to accept that kind of treatment. I know that the NFL is no normal working situation. But still... if one of my co-workers tried taht ******** with me, there would be the following process:
1) Take it... in a very limited manner. Sometimes people have a bad day. I will remember it and monitor you though to see if you continue it.
2) Once it went past my rather low threshold, I'd have a discussion with them, telling them it's not something I approve of and it's not to continue.
3) If no change, take it to superiors.
4) if no change, walk away. Better I walk away and let it go than stay there and do something that I can't foresee, but like any grown male, there are limits before you just pop.
Getting into a physical altercation is just stupid. It's not an option. It's nothing to do with manliness, it's just stupidity. I don't really have a problem with the way Martin went about it. Some may view it as not being strong; I look at it as "I don't really have to deal with this **** from a dipstick like yourself, and I'm gonna walk away before you really **** me off." Incognito, on the other hand, just sounds like he's an idiot. No grown man conducts himself like that. You make a ton of money to be a professional. You cannot even tell me that voicemail is an example of professionalism.
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There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.
That's not the way to toughen somebody up. That's the way to tear them down. I mean.....even insulting his mother.....please. Some guys just by their personality can't just let comments and actions like these just bounce right off. They carry it around with them and it ultimately affects their self worth. Some people are just more sensitive than others. Doesn't matter what size they are.


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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Barack Obama will draw a connection between the "Greatest Generation" that fought in World War Two to the "9/11 generation" that emerged after the Sept. 11 attacks when he marks the 70th anniversary of the D-Day invasion this week.
"There's a continuum of patriotism and sacrifice that you see in this generation and that you saw in the 'Greatest Generation,'" said Ben Rhodes, Obama's deputy national security adviser.
The president is expected to use his speech to stress the importance of the U.S-European alliance and underscore his government's commitment to caring for U.S. veterans in the wake of a healthcare scandal at the Veterans Administration
At the Omaha Beach landing site in Normandy, Obama will take part on Friday in a D-Day ritual that for years after World War Two largely took a back seat to remembrances of the Japanese attack on the U.S. naval base at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, on Dec. 7, 1941, that drew America into the war.
That changed in 1984 when President Ronald Reagan at the 40th anniversary delivered what is considered "one of the defining speeches of the Reagan presidency," said Ken Duberstein, a former Reagan White House chief of staff.
Historian Douglas Brinkley, who wrote a book about the Reagan speech, said Reagan helped rekindle interest in World War Two among Americans that continues to this day.
"Now, going to Normandy has become like going to Gettysburg was for another generation," he said of the pivotal 1863 Civil War battle.
Reagan's widely praised speech on the bravery of the Army Rangers who scaled the Pointe du Hoc cliffs has presented a challenge for his successors who have marked the occasion at Normandy.
"The challenge is to adequately capture not just the events and their meaning but the men and their legacy," said speechwriter John McConnell, who helped write George W. Bush's speech on the 60th anniversary in 2004.
Presidents not only hail heroism during the D-Day anniversary but adjust their speeches at the D-Day event to send a message about U.S. resolve during contemporary events.
Bill Clinton said at the 50th anniversary in 1994 just after the Cold War, that "as freedom rings from Prague to Kiev, the liberation of this continent is nearly complete."
Bush, who formed a strong alliance to respond to the 9/11 attacks only to see part of it splinter with his 2003 invasion of Iraq, declared in 2004 that the U.S.-European alliance "is still needed today."
This year has a different kind of poignancy as there will be fewer D-Day veterans in attendance than ever before. They are believed to number only in the thousands and most at their youngest would be in their late 80s.
Those who go will be joined by some veterans of the Afghanistan and Iraq conflicts, part of what is known as the "9/11 generation" because many volunteered for duty to fight against those who brought down the World Trade Center towers.
"The legacy lives on," Rhodes said.
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By Jaideep Varma and Jatin Thakkar
The most important players in any side are the ones who perform in big match situations – the knockouts (or playoffs) in a tournament and the deciders in bilateral series. They are the ones who relish the big challenges and produce their best when their teams most need it. They are the real gems of any side when their teams go on to lift the trophy – they are the ones who define the tournament (or series, in bilateral encounters) – this is the real legacy of a player.
Amongst the 9 squads in IPL 2012, there were 57 players who have a history of series/tournament-defining performances. It is perhaps not a coincidence that amongst the teams that have made this year's knockouts, the team with the maximum series/tournament-defining players have made the playoffs – all four of them.
Here is a complete list with the respective teams (arranged as per their positions in the final league table) and the number of players in each team who have had such performances in their T20 careers.
And this is a complete list of each player, with their IPL 2012 IMPACT marked out. Players in bold have not been played at all by their respective franchise in IPL 2012. (All IMPACT numbers on a scale of 0 to 5).
Delhi Daredevils:
Players: Kevin Pietersen (IPL 2012 IMPACT 2.99, 8 matches), Aaron Finch (2.92, 2 matches), David Warner (2.33, 6 matches), Irfan Pathan (1.97, 16 matches), Mahela Jayawardene (1.38, 14 matches), Ross Taylor (1.06, 10 matches), Colin Ingram (0, 0 matches) and Gulam Bodi (0, 0 matches).
Past IPL Series/tournament defining performers: None.
Observation: Pietersen is not available and Finch is unlikely to make it to the final XI but Warner, Taylor, Pathan and Jayawardene will be there (Ingram and Bodi were never tried this year, which may have been a mistake). Sehwag, despite a formidable IPL record (especially this year), has never produced a series/tournament-defining performance in his T20 career. As is the case with Morne Morkel and Umesh Yadav – the bowling mainstays this year. This might just be their moment.
Kolkata Knight Riders:
Players: Gautam Gambhir (3.27, 15 matches), Sunil Narine (2.93, 13 matches), Brendon McCullum (2.70, 11 matches), Jacques Kallis (2.61, 15 matches), Brett Lee (1.79, 9 matches), Manoj Tiwary (1.52, 15 matches), Yusuf Pathan (1.15, 15 matches), RN ten Doeschate (0.98, 3 matches) and Shami Ahmed (0, 0 matches).
Past IPL Series/tournament defining performers: Yusuf Pathan (RR, 2008)
Observation: A batsman (Gambhir), a bowler (Narine) and a wicketkeeper (McCullum) - all have had series/tournament-defining performances in T20 matches and are also leading the team's current season in terms of impact – that suggests good balance. With Kallis, Tiwary and Pathan also in the mix with their all-round abilities, Kolkata looks an assured team. They could do with additional specialised strength though and that player may well be Brett Lee – an ordinary T20 bowler, except in big matches, when he transforms into an outstanding limited-overs player as he is in ODI cricket. It might be worth playing him and seeing how he goes in at least one of the playoff games (he has had a very decent IPL 2012 too).
Mumbai Indians:
Players: Lasith Malinga (3.00, 13 matches), Kieron Pollard (2.46, 13 matches), James Franklin (2.08, 11 matches), Herschelle Gibbs (2.04, 3 matches), Harbhajan Singh (1.71, 16 matches), Pragyan Ojha (1.49, 9 matches), Munaf Patel (1.48, 12 matches), Davy Jacobs (0.25, 1 match), Aiden Blizzard (0, 1 matches) and Thisara Perera (0, 2 matches).
Past IPL Series/tournament defining performers: Herschelle Gibbs (DC 2009), Pragyan Ojha (DC 2009) and Munaf Patel (RR 2008)
Observation: Malinga and Pollard having hit their groove this IPL might be the best bit of news for Mumbai as they move into the knockouts. How many of the other proven T20 big match players will play in the playoffs is anybody's guess, given the others who are certainties (like Sachin Tendulkar, Rohit Sharma, Ambati Rayudu and Dwayne Smith). Their embarrassment of these riches appears to be working against them given the confusion it is causing. If they can sort this out coherently, and manage to achieve the right balance of form and proven big match ability, they might be one of the strongest contenders at the playoff stage.
Chennai Super Kings:
Players: Dwayne Bravo (2.59, 15 matches), Mike Hussey (2.45, 5 matches), Suresh Raina (2.34, 15 matches), MS Dhoni (2.31, 15 matches), Albie Morkel (2.21, 12 matches), R Ashwin (1.69, 15 matches), Doug Bollinger (1.60, 6 matches), Murali Vijay (1.10, 11 matches), S Badrinath (0.98, 11 matches), Shadab Jakati (0.77, 12 matches) and Wriddhiman Saha (0, 3 matches).
Past IPL Series/tournament defining performers: Mike Hussey (2011), Suresh Raina (2010, 2011), MS Dhoni (2010), R Ashwin (2011), Doug Bollinger (2010), Murali Vijay (2011), S Badrinath (2010) and Shadab Jakati (2011).
Observation: Having made it to the knockouts now, through the back-door as it were, Chennai has the best resources when it comes to series/tournament defining players. Quite a few of them are also reasonably high impact players in IPL 2012. Their Achilles Heel this year could be their bowling though, as Ashwin and Jakati have been relatively sedate this year and Bollinger is missing.
Royal Challengers Bangalore:
Players: Andrew McDonald (4.02, 3 matches), Muttiah Muralitharan (2.78, 10 matches), Carl Langeveldt (0, 0 matches), Dirk Nannes (0, 0 matches).
Past IPL Series/tournament defining performers: None.
Observation: Amongst the many blunders Bangalore made this year (to be elaborated upon in the IPL Review next week), not playing their big match players enough has been a significant one (the least amongst all the 9 teams). Not playing Nannes and Langveldt at all had a lot to do with their serious embarrassment of riches when it came to overseas players – the huge bankruptcy of high impact Indian players is what has cost them dearly – but that's another story. For all Gayle's insanely consistent performances in the last 2 IPLs, he is yet to procure a single series/tournament-defining performance in his T20 career.
King XI Punjab:
Players: Azhar Mahmood (3.05, 11 matches), Adam Gilchrist (2.90, 7 matches) and Ryan Harris (2.60, 5 matches).
Past IPL Series/tournament defining performers: Adam Gilchrist (DC 2009) and Ryan Harris (DC 2009).
Observation: Gilchrist's injury and Mahmood's late arrival (thanks to visa issues) hurt King XI a lot. Harris played just 5 matches with a high impact, so it was perhaps a mistake not to play him more too.
Rajasthan Royals:
Players: Shane Watson (3.21, 7 matches), Kevon Cooper (2.65, 6 matches), Owais Shah (1.97, 13 matches), Brad Hodge (1.87, 12 matches), Johan Botha (1.72, 11 matches), S Sreesanth (0, 0 matches) and Samad Fallah (0, 0 matches).
Past IPL Series/tournament defining performers: Shane Watson (2008)
Observation: Admittedly Watson missed half the IPL and Cooper got injured but even then, Rajasthan should have made the knockouts given the copious big match talent they had (who were all playing well). Their close defeats in the league phases and inexplicably feeble performances in their last two matches cost them a good opportunity perhaps, given that they had the most big match talent amongst the teams who failed to make it to the playoffs.
Deccan Chargers:
Players: Cameron White (2.53, 13 matches), JP Duminy (2.37, 9 matches), Daniel Harris (1.42, 4 matches) and Darren Bravo (0, 0 matches)
Past IPL Series/tournament defining performers: None.
Observation: They had a low number of series/tournament-defining players to start with and there too, they played just half of them. Darren Bravo never made it to the IPL (due to national engagements) and Daniel Harris was given just 4 matches (which could have been their biggest mistake, but that's a story for another time). White and Duminy did perform well (as did Dhawan, Steyn and Mishra – none of whom have series/tournament-defining performances in their T20 careers).
Pune Warriors:
Players: Steven Smith (2.29, 15 matches).
Past IPL Series/tournament defining performers: None.
Observation: They just did not have the high impact talent required. Period. Steve Smith played adequately enough but they were always likely to struggle as a team, and they did so spectacularly after the mirage of a brief initial surge.
Now that these four teams have reached the playoffs, at least on the big match parameter we can form certain impressions. If we take series/tournament-defining performances with big match performances which did not necessarily lead to their team winning the tournament, the breakup is Delhi 10, Kolkata 10, Mumbai 15, Chennai 14. It is not the only parameter with which to determine their true strengths (that piece will come out tomorrow, so watch this space), but on big match ability, Mumbai and Chennai have the most talent to prevail in the playoffs (obviously only one of them can reach the final). One thing is for sure – it is a different ballgame now - it will be a different tournament from tomorrow.
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So much for food inflation.
The next time one of your relatives or friends starts complaining about the high cost of produce and "Can't you do something about it!" just point them to the recently released "Vegetables 2012" summary from the U.S. Department of Agriculture's National Agricultural Statistics Service.
According to the USDA, production of 24 leading U.S. vegetable and melon crops rose 1% in 2012, but their overall value fell by 6%, to $10.1 billion.
The report got me thinking historically. I was interested in how several trends tracked by USDA in the vegetables summaries have changed over the years.
Five years ago there was a lot more vegetable and melon production in the U.S., and the overall value was higher — though not proportionally higher.
Production fell from 494 million cwt. in 2007 to 438 million cwt. in 2012, while value fell from $10.9 billion to $10.1 billion.
Go back another five years, and it's hard to find a definite trend one way or the other. The production total splits the difference: about 457 million cwt. were produced in 2002.
Despite the value drop from 2011 to 2012, an upward price trend over the years is evident.
While growers produced 19 million more cwt. in 2002 than in 2012, the value of the crop was more than $700 million lower a decade ago.
Inflation also can be seen looking backward from 2002. In 1992, about 370 million cwt. of the top vegetable and melon crops were produced in the U.S., according to USDA.
In 2002, that would have generated about $7.5 billion. In 1992, though, the total value came in at $6.15 billion.
The annual vegetables report also tracks the top vegetable and melon producers by state.
California accounted for 49% of production in 2012 and 50% of total value. Production in 2007 was similar — the Golden State accounted for 50% of production.
But value was considerably higher five years ago. Despite having just 1% more of the production pie, California accounted for 54% of total value in 2007 — 7% more than last year.
Again, however, going further back in time reveals the difficulty in pinpointing trends.
In 2002, California accounted for 48% of production but just 47% of value. And in 1992, the state made up 46% of production and a little less than 47% of value.
I also dug up some interesting things related to the "also rans" — the states that account for the biggest chunks of the other half of the pie California hasn't gobbled up.
Five years ago, numbers two through four — Florida, Arizona and Georgia — were in the same order as last year, in production and value.
There was a change, however, at No. 5 (the report only tracks the top five producing states). In 2007, it was New York. Last year, it was Washington.
Go back another five years, and it's the same pattern: Numbers two through four are the same, but No. 5 is the wild card — in the case of 2002, Texas, with 4.5% percent of total production and 3.4% of total value.
A decade earlier is when you start to see more change at the top. in 1992, Texas, not Georgia, held the No. 4 spot, though Georgia was close behind at No. 5.
Another interesting pair of numbers from that year: Florida accounted for 14.3% of production and 22.4% of total value, almost half of California's.
Maybe some of you can remember friends and relatives complaining about green bean, corn and tomato prices that year. They actually would have had a point.
What's your take? Leave a comment and tell us your opinion.


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Martellus Bennett played through much of the Giants' win over the Browns with a hyperextended left knee he sustained when he slipped on the wet, artificial grass at MetLife Stadium last Sunday.
And though he didn't practice Wednesday, he expects to play Sunday against the 49ers.
"Hopefully. That's the plan," the tight end said. "We're doing everything we can to be ready for this weekend. Working with the trainers and doing stuff on my own. The plan is to be out there on Sunday. That's always the plan. But like in anything, things don't always go according to play, but we're heading in the right direction right now."
Bennett acknowledged that he "messed some [stuff] up" in the knee, but didn't elaborate. Candlestick Park in San Francisco is notorious for its poor natural grass playing surface, but Bennett said it won't play a factor in whether he plays or not.
"I like natural grass better than the other stuff with the rubber in it – the artificial turf, the artificial grass," said Bennett, who had three catches for 30 yards and played a significant role in blocking for Ahmad Bradshaw against the Browns. "I like real stuff better than fake stuff personally."
Bennett did some light jogging on the side during the portion of Wednesday's practice open to the media.
He doesn't have a gut feeling about Sunday, though.
"No, the only gut feeling right now is hungry," Bennett said. "I'm super, super hungry."
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