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Talk:Arnold J. Toynbee
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- 1 Old talk
- 2 alleged Anti-Semitic Record
- 3 Needs more meat
- 4 correcting the tone of the page
- 5 Quotation
- 6 Academic History
- 7 Reading Habits
- 8 Where has the bibliography gone??
- 9 About.com
- 10 Family tree
- 11 In popular culture
- 12 Missing piece of "trivia"
- 13 New College of Florida
- 14 Toynbee = plagiator
- 15 Assistance please at Toynbee's law of challenge and response
- 16 "Law of challenge and response"
- 17 intro
- 18 List of Prize Winners by Year
- 19 Assumes the reader knows Toynbee's views already
- 20 The lede is awkward
- 21 Shocking
- 22 External links modified
Old talk[edit]
As a novice user interested in the ideas and contributions of Arnold Toynbee, I find the article distinctly lacking. I also notice more emphasis on the issue of criticism (though it remains unclear to what exactly, it feels as if the article is just trying to make it clear that there sure is a lot of criticism out there) and pretty little on Toynbee's ideas and achievements. Also, surely a work of the scope of a Story of Civilization should merit a bit more attention? What about a bibliography? --188.8.131.52 13:30, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
I'd like to see a bibliography of works by Toynbee...--JECompton 01:36, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
- Easiest way to do that (for books and collections, anyway) is go to the Library of Congress website, [1] and type in his name under "Author Browse." It's a very long list. --Michael K. Smith 18:13, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Hmmm - the external link is to a publisher's blurb. Not that I don't find more to say for Toynbee that some historians. But NPOV? I don't think so.
Charles Matthews 08:11, 9 Sep 2003 (EDT)
To anon. editor adding bibliography: there is no format standard at this point for books - but upper case is not it.
Also, please be careful of the category and interwiki links at the bottom of pages.
Charles Matthews 11:05, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Noted. Thanks. Do you want me to lower case it all? This is the first Toynbee bibliography on the web, as far as I am aware, and relies on S. Fiona Morton. It includes all published items of 70 pages or more in length listed in her work, Bibliography of Arnold J. Toynbee, OUP, 1980, including his contributions to works by others, other than
• his contributions to the 13th and subsequent editions of the Encyclopædia Britannica, which may have exceeded 70 pages per edition
• material published only outside the English-speaking world (reprints of journalism or of locally delivered lectures, selections from his works for Japanese or other readers, etc)
• translations of his works.
Dialogues published in the English-speaking world and books edited by Toynbee, or co-authored with one other writer or collaborator, are mentioned even where his contribution may have amounted to fewer than 70 pages.
Publication dates are for first editions (first publication of the relevant material in this form). Revisions to subsequent editions are not normally shown. The place of publication is London unless otherwise stated. If a work was published simultaneously in the UK and elsewhere, only the UK details are shown.
For his journalism and his many other contributions to books, see Morton.
David Derrick
- Yes please do lower case. Please note that Wikipedia has to be careful on all copyright matters. I think it is questionable whether any copyright can obtain on simple lists of works, but I'm not sure the same can be said for bibliographical details. I tend to err on the side of giving quite spare lists of titles and dates. Charles Matthews 20:19, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Had also concluded lists could not be copyright. Some of the amplification is from me anyway. How much of it to give in an encyclopedia environment is also a tough call. Will rethink that point when I do the format change.
David Derrick
- One way would be to create a section of the article surveying the major works. If those summaries are basically your own work (i.e. are not verbatim from your source), there should not actually be any problem here. Charles Matthews 07:59, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)
alleged Anti-Semitic Record[edit]
It should be noted that during the Holocaust, Toynbee was among those prominent British personalities who slandered Jews attempting to escape to Israel as Nazis. His anti-Semtic record should be noted.
- MSTCrow 09:20, May 29, 2005 (UTC)
- Can you site where Toynbee did this? Nobs 18:26, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
- Well, he did it at various times in public and through his writings.
- MSTCrow 00:03, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)
- Well, that is my question. Where specifically in his writings can it be cited. While I cannot claim to have read everything, I have spent a good deal of time reading very much of it (some several times over), and what I haven't read I have access to. Thanks. Nobs01 00:35, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- MSTCrow 00:03, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)
- Well, he did it at various times in public and through his writings.
I'm surprised to hear of this and assume it's just an ad hominem attack on his theories. I've read much of the 2-volume abridgment of Toynbee's Study of History and found nothing in it which offends me as a Jew. If he made any anti-semitic remarks I'd like to see these compared and contrasted with his views of Jews and Judaism as expressed in his main work. Uncle Ed 14:24, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
- This stems from a rebuttal to a stand Toynbee took in 1947 with the end of the British Mandate that rights of Palestinians still needed to be respected. It is available somewhere on the internet, but of coarse to the charge of anti-Semitism, there is no substance. It's just an example of the flaming rhetoric of the times, someone tried to exaggerate that Toynbee was opposed to the creation of the State of Isreal. nobs 16:25, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
- This might shed light on the record,
- "[Sir Lewis] Namier objected to Toynbee's presentation "because," Toynbee explained, "by this time he had become an ardent Zionist, while I . . . was becoming more and more doubtful whether the mandatory power was going to succeed in reconciling its commitments to the Palestinian Arabs with its commitments in Palestine to the Jews. I feared that the Arabs, were going to get an unfair deal. . ." [2]. nobs 00:04, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
- This might shed light on the record,
I think he said things like Zionism shouldn't go the way of apartheid, not that the word was then used; but took South Africa as a negative example. Charles Matthews 08:33, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
- It was an emotional time; the State of Isreal was in its infancy, and I don't beleive it can be said Toynbee opposed its creation, he just spoke up about Britain's commitment under the mandate, and was criticized by paranoid critics, as these things usually get exaggerated. nobs 16:46, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
Even if Toynbee was opposed to the creation of Israel, that just makes him anti-Zionist, not anti-Semitic.
The argument for anti-Zionism versus anti-Semitism is specious. Here is why: In his major work A Study of History Toynbee argues that the Israeli treatment of Arabs during the 1948 war was morally comparable to the Nazi treatment of the Jews. He repeated this accusation in a 1961 debate with the then Israeli ambassador to Canada, Jacob Herzog, who asserted that the Nazi murder of six million Jews was incomparable to the unfortunate uprooting of Arab communities. ( "Moral v. Numerical," Time, 10 February 1961. ) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bgold004 (talk • contribs) 18:30, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
Toynbee and Jews[edit]
There were actually allegations from ca. the 1950's-1960's that Toynbee seemed to resent the Jews because they conspicuously failed to fit within his grand overall abstract scheme of history, and some pointed out that he seemed to give very short shrift to the Old Testament in early editions of his history (while celebrating most other forms of ancient literature and culture). Some also found his approach to the whole middle-east problem to consist of insufferably patronizing and condescending lectures to the Jews on how they were the whole problem, and how he imperatively required and demanded that they revert to the overall role in history which he, Arnold J. Toynbee, personally assigned to them. This could all be documented with sufficient research, but I don't have the material to hand right now... AnonMoos 18:19, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
- I don't ever get the impression that he believed the Jews constituted outliers in his grand scheme. I've read up to the end of the 5th volume of A Study of History and IIRC the history of the Jews features prominently in his theories of challenge and response, creative minorities, the stimulus of penalizations and the idolization of an ephemeral self.
- Could you provide the source material that differs with this? Romolampkin (talk) 11:30, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
- Are you reading the first published editions, or the revised editions? I once saw complaints that in the early editions of his work, he seemed to betray certain degree of annoyance that the Jews kept hanging around in "fossil" form a few thousand years too long, when their work of creatively influencing other civilizations was obviously over and done with, and that he gave the Old Testament a rather brief and cursory treatment, in clear contrast to his celebration of most other forms of ancient literature. I read about all this sometime in the 1980s (or possibly early 1990s), and have no real idea where to look for it now. AnonMoos (talk) 22:28, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
There are several articles that explain Arnold Toynbee's elaborate latent antisemitism. Most of these are in print, pre-dating the internet. See in particular Thomas W. Africa, The City of God Revisited, Toynbee's Reconsiderations in the Journal of the History of Ideas, University of Pennsylvania Press, Apr. - Jun., 1962 at page 288, near the middle. The paragraph begins with Toynbee's characterization of Judiasm as a fossil of Syriac civilization. It ends with a lament that Jews were not sufficiently decimated to have prevented them from hurting Arabs at Der Yassin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bgold004 (talk • contribs) 18:27, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
"This stems from a rebuttal to a stand Toynbee took in 1947 with the end of the British Mandate that rights of Palestinians still needed to be respected" - anyone spouting this ignorant nonsense really should go away and do some reading before entering the discussion. What 'Palestinians'? The only 'Palestinians' in 1947 were the Jews. The 'he was only anti-Zionist' gambit is sooo tired. Anyone opposing the Jewish nation's right to self-determination in its own homeland is antisemitic per definitio. Toynbee's virulent Jew-hatred is amply demonstrated by the points mentioned here by others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 21:34, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
- Actually, the word "Palestinian" referred to all the inhabitants of the British Mandate territory (Arabs and Jews included) until at least 1949. And no informed individual claims that Toynbee was a "virulent" vulgar common déclassé anti-Semite; his anti-Jewish tendencies were rather intellectual in nature (sometimes almost absurdly so, as when he seemed to develop something of a resentment against Jews for not conforming to his grand overall schema of human history), and manifested themselves accordingly; there was much off-hand condescending arrogance, but little "virulence" of the ordinary type... AnonMoos (talk) 01:31, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
Needs more meat[edit]
A new reader having plowed through the entire -word article would have learned little about Toynbee's theories. Only 775 of th 2300 words are about him, and the 450 words about his approach to history shed little light on his views: they don't even list all the stages in a civilizations lifecycle and ignore completely Toynbee's concept of "Affiliation". Challenge-and-response is but one aspect. Uncle Ed 14:30, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
- I agree; most analysis like this always claim Toynbee's Theory of Challenge & Response is related to environment; that may be the first example he uses in his text, however the threory recurs again and again and again, as social challenges, political challenges, economic challenges etc. This would be an excellent place to expand upon, and clarify some of Toynbeee's ideas. nobs 16:29, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
- I can add some of what Curtius wrote. Charles Matthews 16:33, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
Toynbee does mention environment, but his point about challenge and response is wider than that: he speaks of the need for the challenge to be not so much that it overwhelms you (like colonizing Greenland), but not so easy that you lapse into idyllic laziness (like people who live in sub-Saharan Africa, picking breakfast off a tree branch). I gotta crack open my copy of it again.
But I can't write this whole encyclopedia by myself!! Why do so many articles on important figures and topics have to suck so badly? Uncle Ed 20:09, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
- This page right now is owned by Toynbee's critics; it needs input from people who not just read Toynbee, but actually have some understaning of what he said. nobs 20:37, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
correcting the tone of the page[edit]
I made some corrections today to the page. I tried to tone down some of the statements made. I would seriously suggest that if people want to critique his work in this manner that that seperate sections be created on the page both cases can be presented.
I dont think its right to combine a description of his career and ideas with a hostile dismissive critique of them at the same time.
- Looks good. While I disagree with many, many of Toynbee's conclusions, his method of approach and investifation is unparalleled, and deserves study just for that reason. Also, Toynbee didn't write his works for the academic community, where all the rejection comes from. And it is quickly obvious to anyone reading, his work is not simply an academic "school" of historiography. nobs 17:33, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
- Actually I don't think this is the right way to go. We report on criticisms; when they are from distinguished figures like Geyl, they have to be given full weight. Simply mollifying the language in any case doesn't change the argument. I shall add something on the other side. But I have ample evidence that historians don't rate Toynbee. Charles Matthews 20:45, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
- That Toynbee was an historian there is no denial; however Toynbee didn't write for academia; Toynbee wrote for what we today call think tanks, and policymakers. nobs 20:49, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
- To the extent that that has a certain plausibility (I would guess he wrote also for personal satisfaction, and as he married into my family I have some data on this, and that he also wrote for non-Europeans, in particular) that would be a reason to be tougher, no? Charles Matthews 20:55, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
- Recently someone propounded a theory to me that Tonybee must have had a research staff assisting him, and that some work may not be his own; this is entirely possible seeing it's difficult to imagine one person can amass such an indepth amount of detail. And being outside academia would give you the license. Though I don't know what relevence such speculation is (except perhaps professional jeolousy, seeing academic historians can't use other peoples work and put thier name on it, or maybe get paid what Toynbee was getting paid). I hope this speculation goes no farther, cause it still shouldn't detract from what Tonybee amassed. nobs 21:03, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
- It all sounds like transferring assumptions from today's hotshots back into the 1930s, where they may have little validity. I doubt he had uncredited help. Charles Matthews 21:12, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
- I dont mind the criticism of his work being brought up, but reading it this morning, it seemed to go a little too far. Comparing it to the Spengler and Huntington pages, it left the impression that Toynbee somehow far worse and utterly discredited as compared to either of them. I get concerned whenever I read anything about Toynbee because there is a group of people who hate him based on middle east politics out of all proper proportion. - anonymous
- I agree with much of that. The business about "Toynbee Convectors" make him sound like a kook-cult leader, and seriously should be replaced with some substance of his work. User:Nobs01 188.8.131.52 21:40, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
Could we all agree that at least 20% of the article should be about what Toynbee taught, professed or believed - especially in his book "A Study of History"? I don't mind if 80% then is rebuttals. Uncle Ed 05:08, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
- This introductory statement, " found little response in the discipline of comparative history that most occupied him.", is false. (And I attribute it to the professional jealousy stated above). True, A Study of History is huge. True, it occuppied him for at least 27 years (really closer to 40). However, I am looking right now at about 12 cu. ft. of the Survey of International Affairs that he edited during those same years. And he was probably more well known in those days as editor of that publication than as an historian. In conclusion (1) history didn't "occupy him most" (2) the current affairs of his day occuppied him regularly as anyone in the publishing business knows the pressure of meeting deadlines. Where he found time to research & write A Study of History I'll never understand. nobs 05:23, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
Well, there we hit a typical Wikipedia issue: the comparative history page is the tiniest of stubs. That means there is not much basis for talking about his effect on comparative history, either way. I think alluding to comparative history is useful, to place his work in context. Charles Matthews 07:53, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
- How about a rewrite of the first paragraph to be more generally about him and then moving the whole issue of "A study of history" after that. Right now, the placement is so up-front that creates a wrong impression. - anon
There is something to that. On other hand, hitting the reader with the main reason for someone's celebrity is correct 'news style'. Charles Matthews 22:18, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
- Toynbee's notoriety should include (a) longtime Director of the Royal Institute of International Affairs, and (b) longtime editor of its publication Survey of International Affairs; A Study of History is coincidental or a sidelight to those two roles he played. The above is especially important, given the time in question, i.e. from the failure of the League of Nations, World War II, the founding of the Alliance of World War II, the creation of the United Nations Organization, the Cold War, etc. It can be seen that much of Toynbee's writings is intimately involved in all these events. nobs 00:39, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
- Above paragraph fixed to link to Royal Institute of International Affairs (RIAA) instead of Recording Industry Association of America. "Notoriety" is also misused as a synonym for "fame," but I am not going to fix that. My further effort should go into improving the article, not the talk page. 18.104.22.168 (talk) 07:36, 3 November 2009 (UTC)Larry Siegel
The inserted quotation by Anon user is extrememly close to the "meat" we have been discussing here. Toynbee said as much in Vols. IX & X of A Study of History. I would suggest an inclusion, perhaps somewhere introducing the quotation, that this is in keeping with his larger overall thesis of a "dominant minority" (i.e., his theory of mimesis), when he states in context,
- " It seems to me likely to be imposed on the majority by a ruthless, efficient, and fanatical minority".
nobs 03:45, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
Please clean-up or add to this site. There is very little information on his theories. Even worse, the "critizism" section is empty of any substantance. I cannot tell what these critics believed was wrong with Toynbee's theories. Calling it "Philosophy of Mish Mash" does not explain what part of the theory is "mish mash" or where his arguments go wrong. Please flesh this section out. Thanks.
- He's a Comparative Historian. It's a field that's currently out of favor with the academy for various reasons. Many criticisms have more to do with current academic politics and trends e.g. "Post-Colonialism" (which says criticizing other cultures is racist) and the work's ideas about Christianity for instance, than any actual problems with SoH, which about 5 people have read in its entirety (admittedly, I've only read the abridgement, myself). That's another problem though.
- Some critiques which are concerned with the historical substance of SoH have to do with the specifics of delineating the civilizations which were included or excluded and ethnocentrism. Many of these delineations, admittedly, seem to be controversial and at times, arbitrary. The criteria used to operationalize civilizations is too restrictive, too (Spengler does a better job of actually comparing civilizations, but he's less of a historian and more of a scientist). The book, despite its undeniably high level of scholarship, has its share of warts and deserves a certain amount of critical appraisal, but unfortunately very few of the critiques I've seen are very meaningful. There are some challenge & response critiques, too. Guinness4life (talk) 16:46, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
Academic History[edit]
I note that the article twice mentions that Toynbee was an academic at the University of London. Whilst there is some centralisation of certain resources (examinations, libraries etc) the UoL only really exists in an abstract sense; it is a composite of 30 or more institutes and colleges, the larger of which are basically universities in their own right (amongst which the LSE is prominent). I therefore don't understand how one can be a research professor at the 'University of London', and thus this passage seems a bit misleading (it's particularly tautological to talk about the LSE AND the UoL (although I'm not certain when the LSE joined the federation)). I suspect it would be better to explicitly state which college or institute he was a professor at- can anyone enlighten me? Badgerpatrol 22:55, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
- According to [3], he started at King's College London. Charles Matthews 23:04, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
- That's quick work! (Although the link seems to be broken...) Cheers, Badgerpatrol 23:36, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Reading Habits[edit]
Does anyone know of Toynbee's reading habits?
Where has the bibliography gone??[edit]
Why on earth has the entire bibliography been taken off this inceasingly messy page??
Is About.com stealing this article's text, or is much of this article stolen from here [4]? GrubLord 14:54, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
- That article is certainly stolen from here. Charles Matthews 12:46, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Family tree[edit]
Peter Jenkins is married to Polly Toynbee, rather than being a sibling. Charles Matthews 12:45, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
In popular culture[edit]
James Blish's famous "Cities in Flight" series of science fiction novels is organized around a whole elaborate quasi-Toynbeean scheme (a full-page chart correlating future historical events with Toynbeean stages is included in some editions of the books), and Toynbee is also mentioned several times in the text of the novels themselves... AnonMoos 18:23, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
- He is also mentioned in Chapter 6 of Rendezvous with Rama by Arthur C. Clarke in reference to the character Sir Lewis Sands - "A man whose knowledge was matched only by his urbanity, Sir Lewis was reputed to lose his composure only when called the Arnold Toynbee of his age." Dunno if it bears mentioning here or not. Weaponofmassinstruction (talk) 01:44, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
- Oops, I think that Spengler may be mentioned more prominently than Toynbee in "Cities in Flight"; partially disregard my comments above... AnonMoos (talk) 11:14, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
Missing piece of "trivia"[edit]
I am all for "trivia" - very much so, since it adds "flesh" to "bare bones". Which is why I cannot comprehend the reasons for the omission of T.'s "visions". (Anyone who knows enough about him to have written an encyclopaedic entry about him surely knows which "visions I am referring to.) It is a vital piece of "trivia" - certainly important to Toynbee himself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 03:27, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
New College of Florida[edit]
The New College of Florida article claims that Toynbee came out of retirement to join the institution's faculty upon its foundation. Can anyone verify this? If this is true, it really ought to be added to this article. Harel Newman (talk) 20:41, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Absolutely true. The Google News archive includes this article from the October 6, 1963 St. Petersburg Times regarding his appointment. As an aside, I am a former New College of Florida admissions director. HistoryETC (talk) 07:17, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
Toynbee = plagiator[edit]
Everything Toynbee wrote was "stolen" (colloquially speaking) from Oswald Spengler, the German philosopher who introduced the Cyclic Theory of History in 1917. 126.96.36.199 (talk) 17:15, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
Assistance please at Toynbee's law of challenge and response[edit]
New article, Toynbee's law of challenge and response needs help. Thanks Andy Dingley (talk) 14:30, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
- I've redirected it here. The book by Graeme Snooks[5] looks like an interesting critique:"he was badly equipped for the task, he did not possess a dynamic model, he focused upon events rather than mechanisms (outcomes rather than processes),he adopted the wrong level of aggregation, and he lost his way—what had begun as a scicntific expedition ended as a kind of Pilgrim's Progress. Toynbee was unable not only to derive any useful law's of history but also to provide a satisfactory explanation of the dynamics of human society. The fundamental reason is that he asked die wrong questions. To understand die rise and fall of civilizations it is necessary to focus upon issues of material expansion and growth. Civilization is a brick-and-mortar thing. Instead. Toynbee, consciously and at the very beginning, tackled the issue of mankind's spiritual progress". See also [6]. Ludger Kühnhardt attempts to apply it to current issues here.[7]. If it's enlarged, maybe sometime it should have its own article written by editors with no COI. Dougweller (talk) 15:17, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
"Law of challenge and response"[edit]
I've deleted this. We have (since my edits) a section on challenge and response. Some people do call this a law, others don't and I'm not sure we should/need to. But the main problems are that there is actually no discussion in the new edits of this 'law', just a list of civilizations Toynbee wrote about and some original research about those civilizations. What the article actually needs is more discussion of the concept, pro and con, and if the sources are there maybe discussing it in terms of one civilization. This editor means very well and is working hard but I don't think yet understands at all how this Wikipedia works and our relevant policies concerning original research and verification. Sociology of revolution is also basically original research with no references. Dougweller (talk) 18:21, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
where on earth did u find this article? ^ Michael Lang, "Globalization and Global History in Toynbee," Journal of World History (2011) 22#4 pp. 747-783
Toynbee against Greek Humanism?? u cannot cite an article with the opinion of someone about Toynbee for the general description on the introduction. Also, it makes no sense, nobody can understand what is this person famous about (therefore mentioned on wikipedia), ur rushing into criticism from the very beginning of the wiki — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 02:22, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
- I read the article in the Journal of World History--it's the leading scholarly journal in the field and Toynbee was very much into world history. Wikipedia depends on scholarly secondary sources like the Journal, or McNeill's scholarly biography. I recommend editors who work on this article read that article and McNeill's book--or they will be ignorant of the best scholarship. I cited it in the introduction because some anonymous editor erased the earlier version. I would be happy to send a copy of the Lang article to anyone who writes me at rjensen @ uic.edu it opens: "To many world historians today, Arnold J. Toynbee is regarded like an embarrassing uncle at a house party. He gets a requisite introduction by virtue of his place on the family tree, but he is quickly passed over for other friends and relatives. For much of the twentieth century though, Toynbee was perhaps the world's most read, translated, and discussed living scholar. His output was enormous, hundreds of books, pamphlets, and articles. Of these, scores were translated into thirty different languages. In 1947, Time magazine considered his historical significance to be on par with Marx. Among intellectuals, response to his work was de rigueur. Indeed, the critical reaction to Toynbee constitutes a veritable intellectual history of the midcentury: we find, for example, Aron, Frye, Huxley, Kennan, Kracauer, Kroeber, Morgenthau, Mumford, Niebuhr, Ortega y Gasset, Popper, Ricouer, and Sweezy, as well as a long list of the period's most important historians, Beard, Braudel, Collingwood, and so on." Lang provides a very useful survey of Toynbee's intellectual heritage. Rjensen (talk) 03:32, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
Terrible wiki[edit]
u cannot write a wiki page based on a biographical book, its supposed to be either of an encyclopedical tone or the result of further research, kind of the voice that resumes what is generally said. The wiki clearly cared to portray Toynbee as somethng he wasn't, emphasizing on the citicism. Still needs a lot of work both on becoming more neutral and on offering more rich information. I started correcting, please join me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 01:52, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
- Wiki rules do not allow the blanket erasure of sourced text. If you think something is mistaken, the rules WP:NPOV say you must ADD a countervailing statement by a reliable secondary source. [Neutrality requires that each article or other page in the mainspace fairly represents all significant viewpoints that have been published by reliable sources, in proportion to the prominence of each viewpoint in the published, reliable sources.] Rjensen (talk) 02:18, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
Adding so many tags in each section is useless. So is removing cited information. Just because it's not found online does not make the source invalid. Do not remove cited material without consensus. Icarus of old (talk) 04:44, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
where on earth did u find this article?
− ^ Michael Lang, "Globalization and Global History in Toynbee," Journal of World History (2011) 22#4 pp. 747-783
− − Toynbee against Greek Humanism?? u cannot cite an article with the opinion of someone about Toynbee for the general description on the introduction. Also, it makes no sense, nobody can understand what is this person famous about (therefore mentioned on wikipedia), ur rushing into criticism from the very beginning of the wiki — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 02:22, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
- I read the article in the Journal of World History--it's the leading scholarly journal in the field and Toynbee was very much into world history. Wikipedia depends on scholarly secondary sources like the Journal, or McNeill's scholarly biography. I recommend editors who work on this article read that article and McNeill's book--or they will be ignorant of the best scholarship. I cited it in the introduction because some anonymous editor erased the earlier version. I would be happy to send a copy of the Lang article to anyone who writes me at rjensen @ uic.edu it opens: "To many world historians today, Arnold J. Toynbee is regarded like an embarrassing uncle at a house party. He gets a requisite introduction by virtue of his place on the family tree, but he is quickly passed over for other friends and relatives. For much of the twentieth century though, Toynbee was perhaps the world's most read, translated, and discussed living scholar. His output was enormous, hundreds of books, pamphlets, and articles. Of these, scores were translated into thirty different languages. In 1947, Time magazine considered his historical significance to be on par with Marx. Among intellectuals, response to his work was de rigueur. Indeed, the critical reaction to Toynbee constitutes a veritable intellectual history of the midcentury: we find, for example, Aron, Frye, Huxley, Kennan, Kracauer, Kroeber, Morgenthau, Mumford, Niebuhr, Ortega y Gasset, Popper, Ricouer, and Sweezy, as well as a long list of the period's most important historians, Beard, Braudel, Collingwood, and so on." Lang provides a very useful survey of Toynbee's intellectual heritage. Rjensen (talk) 03:32, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
− − Thank you for the message. The article you are referring to is interesting, but indeed it refers to the intellectual heritage of Toynbee, it is an analysis. The introduction lead cannot refer to it, its a matter of style, keeping the tone neutral (e.g. the reference to the criticism against Toynbee is way too extended, if u go through what has been written about Toynbee u ll see how controversial he was - opinions neither positive, nor negative). I would suggest that whoever writes the intro must first have completed a more universal and original - solid reading on Toynbee so the into reflects a vast reading rather than that of an article (which makes it too specific/detailed and, well... a re-reading). Normally journal articles (even the finest ones) can compliment secondary analysis (further paragraphs, sections), not the intro. I m sure this article has a lot of information to offer (if we are critical towards it of course) a little further on the wiki.
− − I will definitely send u an email, would love to read the article, thank u!
- All Wikipedia articles must be based on reliable secondary sources--of which there are many on Toynbee. That is editors follow the scholars who worked through tens of thousands of pages by Toynbee and others. We can NOT use text based on one editor's personal reading of a little sliver of Toynbee.Rjensen (talk) 14:56, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
220.127.116.11 (talk) 13:14, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
Lede issues[edit]
User:Rjensen, do you have a specific reason to repeatedly promote the criticizing of Toynbee, against the majority here who clearly say that this article emphasizes on this aspect and needs to become more neutral? Since the introduction already mentions in a neutral way both his achievements and the critique he received, please add relevant information only to the criticizing paragraph and NOT on the introduction. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mt1720 (talk • contribs) 15:16, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
- IN Wikipedia, neutrality WP:NPOV means neutral among the reliable secondary sources; it does NOT mean neutral toward Toynbee. The great majority of historians in the last 50 years have a negative view of Toynbee's "Study of History" --it's hard to find anyone alive in 2013 who endorses his ideas. Therefore a neutral article will emphasize what his reputation actually is. To say that his ideas are accepted today is a fringe view. However I have been adding sourced info on why his ideas were accepted in 1950s among both scholars and the public. [eg I added Parry's argument that "A religious outlook permeates the Study and made it especially popular in the United States, for Toynbee rejected Greek humanism as too man-centered, distrusted the Enlightenment belief in humanity's essential goodness, and rejected the "false god" of modern nationalism.[fn to Parry]"] Rjensen (talk) 15:33, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
Mt1720 (talk) 16:19, 11 September 2013 (UTC)It is a matter of format, an introduction reflects general assumptions, you go into depth too early on the articleMt1720 (talk) 16:19, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
Mt1720 (talk) 16:07, 11 September 2013 (UTC) The controversy exists because historians 50 years ago had the complete different attitude towards him, therefore it is important to mention this controversy in the intro and explain whatever detail around this controversy on the paragraph related to the controversy. You cannot introduce such a controversial person (going from extreme adoration to extreme dislike) by emphasizing on the dislike and showing the opinions of those disliking his work, right from the introduction. A person reading a wiki must be encouraged through neutrality to read about this controversy. An encyclopedia is not to describe the trend of any given moment (wether the positive or the negative) because as u can see, things constantly change. Neutrality is the only way Mt1720 (talk) 16:07, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
Mt1720 (talk) 16:12, 11 September 2013 (UTC) if u read the current edit of the introduction, you will see that it features every element of the issue, negative and positive. It doesnt go into depth for either, so the reader can continue reading instead of feeling that he is reading an opinionated wiki. It is not correct to go in depth about anything for an introduction. The intro needs a lot of improvements (e.g. it doesnt need to go to this extend describing the study of history) with a focus on very general inormation about Toynbee. Hopefully with your collaboration we will improve it soon. Let's discuss instead of deleting edits all the time Mt1720 (talk) 16:12, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
Mt1720 (talk) 00:25, 12 September 2013 (UTC) To start with, the lede is called a LEAD, because it leads to the main text. In our case it is an introductions because we are building an encyclopedic article, not journalistic. The same goes for opinion, an encyclopedia must respond to reality, not specialists opinions. It is our intention to make this article from class c to class b, and there is no way to achieve that if u continue promoting one opinion. Everyone on the Talk agrees on how negative the wiki is.
Toynbee was enthusiastically respected by scholars and media just as much as he is despised today. If you want to emphasize on the reasons on why he was disliked: either start a new wiki about them so u can expose any academic's opinion, or enrich with these opinions the relevant categories of this wiki (e.g. criticism, or make a new one about the controversy). The "meat" as you call it is not why Toynbee is despisded from the 60's and on, but also what he contributed. I strongly suggest you start a detailed separate wiki refering just to whatever you wish it t refer in relation to Toynbee, or please respect the neutral tone we are trying to build. A controversy means just like that and we are happy to discuss it and analyze it. But the controversy, not just one aspect of it. The intro includes everything, without any assumptions (do you have a study or a way to produce a study that proves that nobody reads Toynbee anymore? Please read the intro and you will see that it clearly shows that he is an abandoned thinker, there is no doubt about that).
I m planning to make extended research for this biography and establish a very neutral wiki about Toynbee, there are going to be plenty of revisions this week, lets collaborate if you are interested, but only if your goal is to write a good class a wiki, not simply to create one specific impression about Toynbee Mt1720 (talk) 00:25, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for your comments and guidance.
The "quote" I cited for Toynbee is in wide circulation, but seems not to be in the book. I apologize for that error.
Toynbee's error is in not recognizing that the Egyptian civilization was most certainly at least "contributed to" by Africans/Blacks as the physical evidence certainly demonstrated during his time and DNA and more modern science confirm.
Perhaps I will be back with your guidance in mind. DamaniK (talk) 19:42, 29 September 2013 (UTC)DamaniK--DamaniK (talk) 19:42, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
Racism Quote[edit]
Please provide ref and use a neutral tone. The quote u added is not accuate, nor is the page number you refer to, this is the accurate one, on page 54: http://books.google.it/books?id=FBh462QXBgoC&lpg=PA419&vq=black&hl=it&pg=PA54#v=snippet&q=black&f=false
Here's what is wrong with what you wrote:
Toynbee also expressed racist views and was infamous for his quote: "It will be seen that when we classify mankind by color, the only one of the primary races, given by this classification, which has not made a creative contribution to any one of our twenty-one civilizations is the Black Race."—Dr. Arnold Toynbee, The Study of History, Vol. I, page 233. 1947. This was at odds with the evidence of the primarily Black civilization in ancient Egypt (Kemet).
racist views:
He is referring to the contribution of the black race to the specific civilizations for which he has created a concept, and are the following: Egyptian, Andean, Sinic, Minoan, Sumerian, Mayan, Indic, Hittite, Hellenic, Western, Orthodox Christian (Russia), Far Eastern, Orthodox Christian (main body), Persian, Arabic, Hindu, Mexican, Yucatec, and Babylonic. I don't think there what he says is inconsistent. But we are not here to debate about a person or a book content, but about how something should be writen, based on what OTHERS have writen about a person or a book content. There is no academic or even journalistic text that describe Toynbee as a racist.
There is not a record about him being a racist in order to use the word "infamous". You must provide a substancial number of accurate references to this (personally i could not find it). Not his book and your opinion about it, but accuarate academic or other valid references that describe a. his racism and b. that it was a famous one.
The controversy of the book departs solely from the fact that it is not easily classified as history in today's standards since it entails spirituality and religion philosophy. But this is a particular book anyway since it is not self-defined as history, but a study of the history, or philosophy of the history. It was never controversial because of its racicistic content.
Please read the book so you can understand how exactly he classifies these civilizations and under which criteria he uses.
Another issue: format-wise, even if what you mentioned was accurate a. it could not appear in the introduction, it stands out and it doesnt follow the neutral and general introductory style of the paragraph, b. even if it did it would need to have accuarate references, c. we cannot accuse anyone about anything, we can only say that someone was perceived as such etc (with the references)
Finally, language-wise: what we write on wikipedia must be an accuracy based on what others have written about what we describe, not our opinion, our reading on what we describe (in this case the book and an author). That is an opinion that belongs to an article, an essay, a blog post or anything u wish to write. But not an encyclopedic article. The latter requires a recorded fact and a generally accepted impression. Mt1720 (talk) 22:54, 12 September 2013 (
Toynbee was extremely racist, and this Wikipedia article should say something about how he he was extremely Anti-Semitic and Anti-Black and Anti-Anything Except for European....
List of Prize Winners by Year[edit]
Can anyone locate a list of Toynbee Prize winners by year? Their website seems to list the winners alphabetically, rather than chronologically. It would be nice to incorporate who won in what years here. KConWiki (talk) 01:39, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
Assumes the reader knows Toynbee's views already[edit]
I came to this page knowing little about Toynbee, but had seen his views cited elsewhere. I came here to find out what those were. The introduction says:
- "Toynbee's work lost favor among both the general public and scholars by the 1960s, due to the religious and spiritual outlook that permeates the largest part of his work."
It looked like I was going to find out, but reading through the whole thing, I see nothing specific about this "religious and spiritual outlook". It appears that the authors know this already, and forgot that the reader might not. "needs more meat" above is correct. BillyKwiki (talk) 15:22, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
- Basically it is about Hegel, "elevated Christianity", Buddhism as medium between cultures and religions, and so on. As of "lost of favor": it depends on definition of "general public and scholars" but my little hint would be the rise of postmodernity. Postmodernity no longer likes all of these spiritual, aufgehobening stuff. Postmodernity prefers insanity, infinite interpretation, "structures", drugs, and so on. Even areas of direct overlap with previous generation (like ancient myths, etc.) is treated using different words (but the goal hasn't changed too much). 220.127.116.11 (talk) 08:02, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
The lede is awkward[edit]
The lead paragraph to this article is a bit awkward; I think it best to simplify it so it focuses on Tonybee's work and not his reputation. Discuss if desired.Chagallophile (talk) 15:32, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
- Well, you've already made some changes. I've restored some valuable material to the body (you know that you're working too fast when a bot is rescuing references, especially when they're ones that I've set up). The quote was out of place, but it deserved to be moved not deleted. Some of the bits concerning the recent languishing of Toynbee's reputation might have been too lurid, but some mention of it should be included. I think that what's there now, giving a limited time frame to his greatest influence, does that by implication. A more careful summary of that languishing could be included at some future date, for which the second deleted reference I rescued could be useful. Dhtwiki (talk) 14:52, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
How can such an article be accepted in Wikipedia? It says NOTHING about Toynbee's works, his philosophy of history, nothing essential. Only things which could have been written in a yellow press article. Trivialities. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:1205:5045:1BC0:8C:1B10:BE32:B512 (talk) 16:39, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
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Where Is Casey Anthony
July 17, 2011 by staff
Where Is Casey Anthony, An angry crowd jeered the comments Casey Anthony left the door of the Orange County jail a free woman just after midnight Sunday, about three years and one day after he was arrested for the disappearance and death of Caylee, her two year old daughter.
She wore a pink shirt, jeans and sneakers with her hair in a bun as Jose Baez, Anthony's attorney, was by her side along with a team of well-orchestrated response especially green vests.
It was confirmed that members of the Orange County Sheriff had two contingency plans in place, but ultimately opted to go with a public statement.
"We have done everything possible not to give any special treatment for her," said Allen Moore, spokesman for the Department of Corrections Orange County in a statement.
"She has been treated like any other prisoner in her class of custody."
As soon as the news spread through the prison grounds that Anthony was walking through the front door around 12:09 a.m., crowds of protesters ran to check out the group to walk quickly to a dark car parked at the gates jail.
They were shouting "murderer" and waving "boycott blood money" signs of the helicopters flew overhead press to film the scene intense.
Some protesters camped on the grounds of the prison all night just so they could see Anthony out of jail and shout their slogans, according to reports from the media.
Charles Greene, one of Anthony's attorneys, the judge said Friday he had received seven threats against various Anthony the day of the acquittal, according to Reuters.
Another lawyer, Cheney Mason, said: "We are all aware and armed the morning."
Anthony with her mouth a quick "thank you" to one of the deputies who rushed into a dark van parked outside the jail.
She had no emotion on her face.
Given the threats against her life by furious at the verdict of not guilty, the lawyers have not said where Anthony is going to go now, but the overhead helicopters tracked the motorcade from prison to downtown Orlando and in the parking lot of her attorney Cheney Mason's office.
Speculations are arriving by the hundreds with some saying that Anthony was headed to an airport in Orlando near the prison.
Cameramen filmed walk from Antonio prison, but only three journalists were allowed inside the jail. The journalists were trying desperately to figure out where Anthony was heading, but the motorcade eluded the majority.
The secret details of her release came just 12 days after a jury acquitted her of charges of murder and neglect, which caused a national debate on the U.S. justice system.
Baez told the jury that Caylee had drowned in the family pool on June 16, 2008.
The unpopular verdict led to alleged threats and insults to Anthony and juries in recent days.
She was found guilty of four misdemeanor counts of lying to the police and sentenced to four years. Anthony was given credit for time served and time shaving her sentence for good behavior.
Legalanlysts say the six-week trial that attracted intense media propaganda only adds to the mystery of what happened to two years, Caylee Anthony. Questions about how Caylee died, and who was responsible, remains unanswered and are debatable almost every night on the news networks.
There are speculations about what will happen to Casey Anthony, now that she is free, from a book deal for a possible one million dollars with the images to a television special.
However, most legalanlysts say she must stay underground for a period of time, as even her own lawyers fear for their lives.
Attorney Cheney Mason said in a recent interview that he fears for the life of Casey Anthony's because some people do not respect the justice system.
The fury of the public during and after high-profile case has led to speculation that the issue of polarization, "I hate Casey Anthony" the Facebook page – with more than 40,000 fans at the site could change its name and appearance, and move somewhere far away, according to press reports.
Florida corrections officials and lawyers for Anthony have offered few details of the media about where Anthony will go and what you will do because of the intense emotions surrounding the case.
Her father, George Anthony made it clear that his daughter will not be welcome in the family home in Orlando for their release, according to Fox News.
However, it was confirmed that Anthony would face future legal problems.
Her team is appealing her criminal conviction for misleading police and has been sued in two separate actions before the civil court, according to court documents.
"A petition has been filed and a judge ruled that Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez suits for defamation against Anthony can go forward before Anthony leaves jail," according to court documents.
Fernandez-Gonzalez says her life was ruined after Anthony told police a nanny by the same name had kidnapped Caylee, "according to court documents.
Anthony says detectives and the nanny is fictitious.
Court records also show that the volunteer search group Texas EquuSearch Anthony sued seeking to recover more than 100,000 and moved to find Caylee Anthony in 2008.
"It was opening statement when she said Caylee Jose Baez never missed, because he had died, which is this case going," said Marc Wites, Wites & Kapetan partner in Lighthouse Point, Florida, representing the TES in Texas Equusearch Mounted Search and Recovery v. Casey Anthony case.
"It's a very basic case of misrepresentation and omission. They cannot afford to spend money on these types of cases. The fact was that her mother knew he was dead and probably knew where he was buried," said Casey Anthony Wites of knowledge when her parents asked him to find Caylee TES.
"With the advice of our attorney, Marc and Alex Kapetan Wites Wites & Kapetan, and approval of our Board of Directors, Texas EquuSearch has filed a civil suit against Casey Anthony, in an effort to recover the costs in the search for Caylee Anthony. This case was filed in the Circuit Court District in the ninth and Orange County, FL; Texas EquuSearch Mounted style Recovery Search and v. Casey Anthony, Case No. 11-CA-8475, "according to the website TES.
In another twist to an already complicated case, court documents also show that a South Carolina prison inmate Christopher Umberger sued Anthony for a DNA test, which he says will prove he is the father of Caylee Anthony.
Casey Anthony Wherever you end up living your life, chances are she'll be living in a state that has adopted the new "Caylee law."
Lawmakers in 30 states have committed themselves to a version of the bill, which would make it illegal for parents and guardians who do not appear when your child has been killed or disappeared.
"Caylee will be innovative Act, and attend the Adam Walsh Act, Act Lungsford, Amber Alert, and many others that are necessary for our children," said George Anthony The Washington Post.
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Creative Publishing
|Follw this link to view the Colt Spectrum cfyearbook.weebly.com
Creative Publishing is a class for credit at the high school that is made up of hardworking students who publish the monthly newspaper, Colt Spectrum, as well as the yearbook, Clefoan (Short for Clear Fork Annual). As part of this class students are required to sell business ads, take photographs at events, write articles, sell newspapers, put on the annual Talent Show, design yearbook layout . . . in short, they are very busy.
Award-Winning Quality Yearbooks
The following honors were earned by the Creative Publishing staff:
2011- Cover featured in the Best Covers section of the Yearbook Yearbook by Balfour Publishing
2012- Received Honorable Mention in the Yearbook Yearbook by Balfour Publishing
2013- Selected to be over-run as a National Sample by Balfour Publishing
|Click here for some pictures from the Talent Show
Past Issues of the Clefoan are available! Years available and quantities coming soon!
Contact advisor, Heather Keating, at the high school for more information or to answer questions you may have.
2016 Talent Show - tryouts week of Oct. 18 - sign up with Miss Keating
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Samson: I think I broke his f*ckin' neck!
Announcer: I think he broke his f*ckin' neck!
Team doctor: One side, one side.
[Examines injured player]
Team doctor: Get the ambulance! I think he broke his f*ckin' neck.
Samson: See! I told you I broke his f*ckin' neck!
The Detroit Lions rewarded Matt Stafford with the most guaranteed money in NFL history.
Makes perfect sense of course. The quarterback has yet to receive one snap in the pros.
Perhaps when Roger Goodell completes his mission of adjudicating the degree of sincerity in Michael Vick's apology, the commissioner will find the time to implement a rookie pay scale. How far off are we from a future draft where teams refuse to participate in the upper half of the first round due to these dumb overinflated contract negotiations?
Jerry Angelo had himself one hell of a first day gold mining for future Bears. He unearthed Jay Cutler, the unheralded {cough} and seldom talked {cough} about starting quarterback from the Denver Broncos. Imagine that. A proven professional quarterback is a cheaper and more viable option than the Lions handing over Fort Knox to garner a good but hardly OMG! This guy is the next Joe Montana college football player.
Typically first round draft picks are coveted within the NFL ranks. Untouchable. And what happens when a work of art becomes appraised as being priceless? Simply put, unaffordable and not worth the risk. Especially for an organization still reeling from the embarrassment of a putrid drafting alumnus consisting of Spellman, McNown, Enis, Salaam, Benson, Terrell and Haynes. What about Grossman, you ask? The Sex Cannon has suffered enough, thank you very much.
When time was nearing for the Bears to pick at spot #49 of the draft yesterday, Angelo looked at the board and didn't see the right names remaining for the amount of dough required to be shelled out. He must have recalled previous nuisances of rookie contract hold outs, bitchy agents, bitchy coaches wanting everyone in camp, and an even bitchier local media press encircling Halas Hall like sharks waiting to devour the next draft bust. He explains:
"Obviously it was an uneventful day today," said general manager Jerry Angelo. "The key to drafting is filling your needs without leaving levels, and we were going to adhere to that throughout this draft.
"Unfortunately, the players that we targeted at 49 did not fall to us."
So Angelo took a pass. And he traded away the pick to the Seahawks for a 3rd and 4th pick. It is doubtful he experienced any restless sleep over this move last night.
Jerry Angelo is dumb as a fox. He knows his future as the Bears GM depends upon a still maturing, diabetic starting quarterback that has been carousing Chicago's bars and hanging out with the local chicks. In Dallas, at least the starting quarterback beds down a now thigh thickening Jessica Simpson (but hey, who the hell will ever forget that Dukes of Hazardbikini scene?). But here in Chicago, the best Cutler can do for now is an Internet pseudocelebrity with the relevance of Tron Guy and Dramatic Look Gopher.
Even still, Cutler is much closer to Sid Luckman and uhh 1985 Jim McMahon versus just about every other Bears starting quarterback. Angelo knows this. And he has thrown all his remaining career chips on the poker table that this offseason move, along with signing Orlando Pace, will placate the locals and garner a division title and return trip to the playoffs.
And if not?
Bye, bye Jerry.
Sometime today, the Bears will draft a receiver. And since I'm not a college football obsessed maven, I'll bow to David Haugh's suggestions for Angelo's selection possibilities:
Three wide receivers still available -- Juaquin Iglesias of Oklahoma, Louis Murphy of Florida and Kevin Ogletree of Virginia -- fit the profile the Bears seek and would seem to have enough value to justify being chosen at that spot. Safeties still on the board that might interest the Bears at either No. 68 or No. 99 include Chris Clemons of Clemson and David Bruton of Notre Dame.
Any of these guys at wideout be the next Jerry Rice? I dunno. But could they do any worse than last year's almost non-existent receiving corps?
Trading away first round picks in exchange for established pro talent. Avoiding second round picks by trading down in exchange for multiple lower round selections. Staying under the radar, protecting cap space and dodging first day, big college name, huge expensive contracts that quite possibly yield franchise destroying humiliation and a one way ticket to the unemployment line?
Jerry Angelo might be the NFL's most astute executive. A revolutionary pioneer of our times. How to save face and keep your job.
If that doesn't wake up Goodell and the owners to renegotiate a rookie salary cap/pay scale with the NFLPA, nothing will.


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Our car is in the shop, booKacie
Our car has been doing some weird things on and off, and last night it finally went on strike. As I was driving, the ABS light came on, then immediately after the brake light came on, then it told me my air bag no longer would work, and the lights dimmed, turn signals stopped, I lost power steering, and it shut off. Bad alternator maybe? We replaced the battery a few months ago.
Thank you, car, for at least letting me get to a parking lot before you decided to all-out die. Much better than conking out on a fairly busy road with no shoulder!
We're fortunate that our neighbor could come help us home. He has a young son as well and Johnny could use his son's car seat to get home. I wasn't excited about the idea of walking 2 miles home in the dark. While 8 months pregnant. With hills. With Johnny. So, phew!
We have an extended warranty (and go check out what Karen has to say about car warranties — she had to use hers too, yesterday!). The warranty covered the tow to the dealership.
Depending on what the car needs, the repairs might be covered. We'll see. I just want the thing fixed for good.
I would go bananas if I needed to get in my car to head in to the birth center to have my baby, and it did this sorta nonsense to us. Bananas! So I guess it's best that this is happening now, with a chance to repair it before I hit full-term on Thanksgiving.
The mechanic didn't seem to be in too much of a hurry to get to my car, so I did play the, "I'm 8 months pregnant!" card and told him I have appointments tomorrow, and to please let me know if I'd need to reschedule them.
But really, we might end up renting a car for the day. Cuz we're on a time crunch and some appointments need to just happen tomorrow.
So anyway — it's fine having one car most of the time, but when that one car is in the shop it's a big pain!
Edited to add: Last night when we were on the side of a residential road dealing with the car, someone slowed down and hollered out and told us to hurry up and get home — the Steelers game was on! Oh, Pittsburghers. You are so funny.
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Car problems are never fun. So glad you could get into a parking lot — that's much safter. I've got to get my car in for some routine maintenance and I've been putting off — can't stand dealing with car stuff!
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In its simplest form, "We're looking at people joining us in the advanced country world," which Spence believes translates into a different but positive economic future for America. "We have to get used to not being dominate anymore" but overall the globalization tide will lift all boats and perhaps lift America's the most.
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Starting Items #3
First Back (Sheen first)
Standard Build
Situational / Final Options
Ability Sequence
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The masteries shown here are not yet updated for the current season, the guide author needs to set up the new masteries. As such, they will be different than the masteries you see in-game.
Introduction *WIP*
Just want to make a good Gangplank guide so people can utilize him to his fullest.
Runes and Masteries Explanation
Armor Penetration Rune Page (Standard)
This runes are my standard rune page for Gangplank. It gives simple survivability and Armor Pen to make squishies cry. For the time being I only have tier 2 runes for armor penetration. Once, you get tier 3 runes you should have 20 flat armor pen.
Thunderlord's Decree Mastery (Standard)
This is my standard mastery page for Gangplank, as it provides laning necessities. Thunderlord's procs with your ult easily, and is amazing for finishing off enemies. Bandit is perfect Gangplank as you will be getting free gold for harassing with Parrrley, Meditation will ensure you have enough mana in the laning phase to farm up or harass, and Intelligence will also serve well to increase your Powder Keg recharge rate. If you want, you can change Meditation with Merciless if you feel like finishing off people.
Grasp of the Undying Mastery (Alternative)
An alternative mastery page for a safer laning phase. It provides the same laning necessities as the standard mastery page (Except Intelligence , but is instead a bit more tanky. With Grasp of the Undying , your Parrrley with do a more considerable amount of damage in the laning phase along with sustain. Runic Armor will further assist you from the heals of Grasp of the Undying and Remove Scurvy. You will also have increased resistances as well.
Abilities / Summoner
Trial by Fire: This passive burns through tanks and squishies alike. It also gives a sweet movement speed buff, and resets upon destroying a Powder Keg.
Parrrley : Gangplank's Q, and his bread and butter. It can also crit as well. Use it to farm for Silver Serpents and to harass. Trinity Force procs with his Q and applies on hit effects like Ravenous Hydra, Statikk Shiv and so forth. It will not, however, proc Trial By Fire
Remove Scurvy: Ah, Gangplank's most iconic ability. Use it when your low or when CC'd, just eat oranges and it's k. Furthermore, it's heal will increase the lower you are. A tip I like to use it to hold back Remove Scurvy until I'm really low to maximize it's heal. The only exception to this is if the CC would put you in a dangerous situation such as Infinite Duress, Dark Binding, etc.
Powder Keg: This ability is what makes or breaks Gangplank players (Please don't stack barrels right on top of each other... it does nothing...). This is where the majority of your damage comes from, and with proper use, you can literally delete squishies if you can land a barrel combo on them once you get core items. You only get 3 barrels in total, so make good use of them. CDR is most needed to shorten it's recharge time. You can farm, harass, escape, slow your enemies, this ability has many uses. There will be a separate chapter on Barrel Mechanics so fear not.
Cannon Barrage: Gangplank's ultimate, allows him to assist others in lane and to secure kills as well. With good map awareness, you can secure kills and potentially save an ally. In lane, you can use this during a fight if both you and your opponent are both going all in. There are three upgrades you can get for your ultimate, in which I will explain shortly.
Summoner Spells
Flash : A staple summoner spell. You can't ever go wrong with it. Need to escape? Flash. Out of range for the kill? Flash. Need to do some fancy outplay? Flash. Need I not say more?
Exhaust : Great against Assassins and Burst Mages. Also helps you 1v1 enemies with ease. The thing I love about exhaust is you could 1v1 practically almost anyone with it, assuming you're not behind. You could also be a good guy and save your friends too.
Teleport : I'm not a huge fan of taking teleport in mid, but if you don't want to miss *any* farm, it's an option. You'l be missing out on Exhaust, which helps you 1v1 others and prevents all in's from killing you.
Items and Explana
When playing Gangplank, your optimal build should consist of all offensive items to maximize Gangplank's damage. Factors I consider important is Cooldown Reduction, Armor Pen, and Crit.
Sapphire Crystal Start (Preferred)
This start is my recommended choice. Not only is it efficient but it gives you enough mana to farm in the early game with Parrrley and allows you to easily transition into an early sheen (Early CDR and Spellblade effect for harass). With this start, you'll be putting 350g less for Trinity Force
Doran's Ring Start
With the Doran's Ring start, you'll be getting 4 mana back every time you successfully CS and a bit more mana regeneration. You'll also be slightly harder to kill with the bonus HP. Furthermore, the AP is not wasted as it'll increase your Remove Scurvy heal and Cannon Barrage damage too. Advisable to use for hard matchups.
Corrupting Potion Start
This start allows you to play your game with sustain and mana as well. With Touch of Corruption, it implies a slightly more aggressive play style. Be sure to use it before you harass, whether it be Parrrley, Powder Keg, or Cannon Barrage. The Corrupting Potion allows you to save gold on potions (You would have to buy 10 Health Potion in order to equal its value, and even then Corrupting Potion gives you lots of mana as well as Touch of Corruption).
Core Items Early Game
On your first back, you should aim for Sheen ASAP, as well as boots if possible. An early Charlie Sheen provides CDR, and Spellblade effect (Which Parrrley procs). Afterwards, you should aim for Phage as it is far superior to Stinger, which only provides Attack Speed and CDR.
Standard Build
This is my ideal build for Gangplank, it provides Armor Pen, 50% Crit Chance, and some dueling potential. When you do crit, boy will it STING.
Trinity Force
This item is a must have on Gangplank. It gives you everything you need, a spellblade, CDR, health, I can go on. Don't question Trinity Force, it is a MUST.
Youmuu's Ghostblade
Ghostblade gives you 20 armor pen as well as well as decent AD. which really makes you a threat. It even gives 10% CDR! It's active allows you to duel better and makes chasing so much better (and your emergency escape plan )
Infinity Edge
Infinity Edge gives you crit chance,70 AD, and empowered critical strikes as well. When you crit with it, just watch their ADC cry. Getting an [essence reaver]] in my opinion, is a waste. You'd just be delaying your power spike and getting simply CDR (which you already have 35% if you have Trinity Force - Youmuu's Ghostblade ) Plus, Gangplank has no mana issues by mid game.
Phantom Dancer
As you've noticed by now, I usually duel a lot as Gangplank. With Phantom Dancer, you get 50% crit chance along with Infinity Edge and you take 12% less damage from the last person you damage. You'll also run faster while near that person which again, helps you duel better.
*READ* Barrel Combos & Mechanics / Ultimate Upgrades *READ*
In this section, I will teach you some Barrel Combos that are essential to utilizing Gangplank to his fullest potential. I'll also be covering Barrel tricks and Ultimate Upgrade choices.
Harass Combo:
(Wait till one tick) - - (AA The first barrel) - (Your opponent)
This combo is your bread and butter throughout the laning phase. The slow on the barrel ensures that they can't trade back (Unless they have ranged abilities / Dashes).
Double Barrel Combo:
(Wait till one tick) - -
This combo is similar to the first but you Parrrley the barrel instead of your opponent. This combo is safer than the one mentioned above, but does less damage. This is your most common combo outside of the laning phase, with the Triple Barrel combo coming in second.
Quick Barrel Combo:
(AA First Barrel)
This combo is rarely done, but useful to surprise and slow an off guard opponent. It does the least damage of all the barrel combos, but the fastest. By auto attacking the first Powder Keg, you shorten the tick instantly by one, at the cost of your Trinity Force proc. Then,you place your second Powder Keg and immediately Parrrley the first as it'll be faster than your next AA in this case.
Triple Barrel Combo:
- - -
The Triple Barrel Combo is the most important combo you need to master in order to make fully utilize Gangplank's potential. It will catch your opponents off guard, and has the longest range out of all combos. To do so, you do a double barrel combo without hesitation and Parrrley, and then you stand between the two barrels and then Parrrley the first barrel and then quickly place the third barrel to finish the chain.


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Now, the whole thing has become so much more remote. Your account of debates on the gold standard in the 1920s shows how they focused on maintaining the global primacy of the City. The City today seems gripped by that same anxiety.Absolutely. It's a deep tension between London as an international financial centre and the City of London in relation to the UK as a whole. After the Second World War, no one imagined that London would return to anything like what it had been. But there were the Euromarkets from the 1960s and Big Bang in the 1980s; it returned to being a very powerful financial centre. Britain's economy and industry were not its main purpose - the point of the City was international. Since the 1960s, [the City] has felt like a very different place from the rest of the UK. One of the morals of your book is that antagonism between financial and industrial capital is a perennial feature of economic life in this country.The point where the two start to diverge, in terms of function and importance, is the 1960s. In the 1970s, the British economy as a whole was not doing that brilliantly, but the City was starting to recover through the Euromarkets. And then, in the 1980s, you have the starkest contrast, because you've got the early years of Margaret Thatcher and deindustrialisation at the very moment when the City was poised for Big Bang. It's tempting to see Big Bang as a definitive break from the postwar situation but, as you say, liberalisation started much earlier.I think Big Bang, in a way, was a catching-up, because you've got the Euromarkets, dollar markets and, above all, the bond markets well established in the course of the 1960s, attracting foreign banks. 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He did not want to be any of those other postwar chancellors who had often inherited appalling positions and always came up against the City. You say that Labour abandoned its mission to tame capitalism in 1976 when it accepted the IMF loan demanded by the markets.If you take that moment in 1976 with the one later when Callaghan abandoned Keynesianism and embraced monetarism, [that is] quite distinct. I wouldn't want to say this was purely to do with City pressure because, to dispassionate observers, there was stagflation in the mid-1970s and it was not clear that the Keynesian approach was still delivering the goods. But it meant that, come the 1979 election, Labour seemed like a busted flush - it had nothing distinctive to offer. Not unlike the Labour election last year. Were you tempted to write a post-crash update?No. I'm more comfortable where one can try to get some material that isn't just in the public domain. 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