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Conceived and designed the experiments: AC EG KS. Performed the experiments: AC ES. Analyzed the data: AC EG Rv. Contributed reagents/materials/analysis tools: AC EG ES KS. Wrote the paper: AC EG Rv KS.
Carbon dioxide inhalation is known to induce an emotion similar to spontaneous panic in Panic Disorder patients. The affective response to carbon dioxide in healthy subjects was not clearly characterized yet.
Sixty-four healthy subjects underwent a double inhalation of four mixtures containing respectively 0, 9, 17.5 and 35% CO2 in compressed air, following a double blind, cross-over, randomized design. Affective responses were assessed according to DSM IV criteria for panic, using an Electronic Visual Analogue Scale and the Panic Symptom List. It was demonstrated that carbon dioxide challenges induced a dose dependent negative affect (p<0.0001). This affect was semantically identical to the DSM IV definition of panic. Older individuals were subjectively less sensitive to Carbon Dioxide (p<0.05).
CO2 induced affectivity may lay on a continuum with pathological panic attacks. Consistent with earlier suggestions that panic is a false biological alarm, the affective response to CO2 may be part of a protective system triggered by suffocation and acute metabolic distress.
Intolerance to carbon dioxide in anxiety prone individuals has been widely documented [1]–[3]. When inhaling hypercapnic gasses, subjects diagnosed with Panic Attacks (PA) shortly sense an instant affect that closely replicates spontaneous panic [4]. Hence Klein inferred that pathological PA's may be false biological alarms, resulting from neuronal misfiring in an evolutionarily evolved, CO2 driven oversensitive suffocation monitor [5].
In other words it was suggested that panic may be an inborn behavioural response to a metabolic distress. If so, panic must belong to the behavioural repertoire of healthy individuals, the hypersensitive alarm in PD subjects corresponding to a normoresponsive system in others. Accordingly, the very same mechanism firing false alarms in PD patients as a response to moderate CO2 intake, should be activated in healthy subjects following higher doses of CO2.
Here we demonstrate in healthy individuals that increasing concentrations of CO2 dose dependently induce a negative affect and that this affect is semantically identical to panic, as defined in current psychiatric nosology.
Sixty-four volunteers provided their informed consent to participate in the study. There were 33 males and 31 females, aged 35.8 (SD=15.9) and 31.1 (SD=14.4) years respectively.
All potential participants had a complete inventory of medical history and a physical examination. Inclusion criteria were 18 to 65 years of age and a good present and past physical and mental condition. The mental condition was assessed by a structured psychiatric interview (Mini International Neuropsychiatric Interview) performed by a psychologist who was not directly involved in the study. Exclusion criteria included a history of pulmonary or cardiovascular disease, the presence of hypertension (diastolic>100 mmHg; systolic>170 mmHg), cerebral aneurysm, pregnancy, epilepsy, excessive smoking (>15 cigarettes/day), use of adrenergic receptor blockers and use of psychotropic medication. A history of affective or anxiety disorders within a first-degree relative excluded participation. Participants were also excluded if they reported common specific fears or if there was any suspicion of history of Panic Attacks. The ethics committee of the Academic Hospital of Maastricht approved the study.
The inhalation apparatus and the general procedures used in our laboratory have been described elsewhere [6].
More specifically, the procedure consisted for each subject in a double inhalation of four mixtures containing respectively 0, 9, 17.5 and 35% CO2 in compressed air, following a double blind randomized design.
Subjects were instructed in the use of a mask with a demand valve for self-administration of medical gasses and told that they would take a double vital capacity breath of four different concentrations of CO2 in air, which, though being a harmless physiologic substance, may cause brief neurovegetative responses and arousal or anxiety, depending on the concentration. Subjects were asked to exhale to the maximum, to position the inhalation mask on their face and inhale their full capacity as quickly as possible. Next they were to empty their lungs and refill them immediately with gas, whereupon they had to hold their breath for 5 seconds before exhaling. All inhalations took place within one week, on four separate days but at the same time for each probant. Care was taken that each inhalation represented at least 80% of the subject's vital capacity.
Affective responses were assessed with strict reference to the DSM IV (APA, 2000 [7]), which refers to a PA as "a discrete period of intense fear or discomfort", in which four (or more) out of a list of thirteen predefined symptoms develop abruptly and reach a peak within 10 minutes.
Accordingly (Fig. S1) we used an electronic visual analogue scale for affect (eVAAS). The eVAAS was programmed on a Compaq Tablet PC, TC1000, with a 21,0 cm×16,0 cm touch screen having a 1027×748 pixel resolution. The VAAS was a 20 cm×1 cm horizontal bar. Subjects had to mark their anxiety level by tipping on the bar with a stylus, which had a 1 mm diameter spherical tip. The top of the display was labelled "fear or discomfort". The scale was anchored from 0, "no fear/discomfort at all", to 100, "the worst imaginable fear/discomfort ". This instrument has been validated for use during 35% CO2 challenges [Van Duinen, M.A., Rickelt, J., Griez, E.J.L.. Validation of the eVAAS. 2007 unpublished].
Panic Symptom List (PSL-IV) was used to evaluate panic symptomatology [8]. It consisted in a questionnaire listing thirteen items, each item representing a DSM-IV panic symptom, to be rated on a five point scale, from 0 (absent) to 4 (very intense) (Fig. S1).
The eVAAS was presented at baseline immediately before inhalation, which was followed after CO2 by multiple instant assessments, in fact as many as possible, during 60 seconds. This allowed the computation of both a peak value and an area under the curve (AUC). The Panic Symptom List was administered one minute before and after each inhalation. The total PSL score was calculated for each assessment.
Statistical analysis was performed on the eVAAS peak values, obtained by subtracting the baseline from the maximum value, and PSL total scores, represented by delta scores (post-pre assessment).
A one-way Manova of repeated measures with eVAAS peak values as the dependent variable and dose (exposure to the four mixtures of CO2) as the within-subjects factor was used to investigate the affective response to the various CO2 mixtures. The same analysis was conducted with eVAAS AUC scores and PSL individual and total scores as the dependent variables.
AUC was calculated by the trapezoidal rule extrapolation method. The data were reanalysed using a repeated measures design with eVAAS peak values or PSL value as the dependent variable, age (below and above age 38) as a between-subjects factor and exposure to the four mixtures as the within-subjects factor. In both analyses, orthogonal polynomial trend contrasts were used to search for the presence of significant linear and/or quadratic trends in case of a significant "dose" effect.
Subjects were divided in "responders" and "non-responders", according to conservative criteria, proposed by others in previous CO2 challenge studies [9]. Following those criteria an arbitrary eVAAS peak score of 50 was used as threshold to identify the responders (mean of the eVAAS peak scored during AIR+2 SD). In addition responders should report at least one-point increase for at least four of the 13 PSL symptoms.
Results are presented in figures 1–55.
eVAAS peak values showed CO2-triggered affectivity to be dose dependent (p<0.001), displaying an increase with concentration, which fits both a significant linear (p<0.0001) and quadratic pattern (p<0.001) (Fig. 1 a). eVAAS AUC values were also dose related (p<0.0001) (Fig. 2 a,b) and exhibited a significant linear and quadratic pattern (p<0.0001). PSL data yielded similar results, with comparable dose-response relationship (p<0.0001) and mathematical pattern (p<0.0001) (Fig. 3 a).
Changes in individual PSL scores symptoms are presented in Fig. 4. As far as cognitive symptoms are concerned, a PSL score increase >1 in any of CO2 conditions was shown in 53% of the subjects.
The sum of the symptom scores, defining a cognitive dimension ("derealization-depersonalization" score+"fear of loosing control-going crazy" score) [10], [11] is presented in Fig. 5. Looking to the cognitive symptoms separately (to which we added fear of dying), 48%, 26%, and 8% of the subjects reported an increase of PSL score respectively, in any of CO2 condition. A significant CO2 dose-dependent relationship was evidenced for derealization-depersonalization, and fear of loosing control-going crazy (p<0.0001), which displayed a linear (p <0.001) and quadratic pattern (p<0.05). A similar significant dose-effect was found for fear of dying (p<0.05), however it appeared to be overall a very rare symptom.
According to above defined criteria there were 4 (6%), 4 (6%), 9 (14%), and 24 (37%) "responders" in the 0, 9, 17.5 and 35% CO2 conditions respectively (p≤0.0001).
Dividing the subjects in an older (> 38 years) and younger group, analysis revealed a significant difference in eVAAS peak scores (p<0.05) (Fig. 1 b). eVAAS peak values in both age groups increase in a significant linear (p<0.001) and quadratic pattern (p<0.001) and run parallel. PSL scores displayed that age effect was not significant (p=0.217) (Fig. 3 b).
Dividing the subjects by gender, no significant differences were found between males and females in any of the assessed parameters (eVAAS peak score, eVAAS AUC score, PSL–IV score).
The double breath challenge induced an instant affect with a negative valence. As rated on the eVAAS, the healthy volunteers experienced a significant sense of "fear" or "discomfort" while reporting substantial panic symptomatology on the PSL. Both eVAAS and PSL were strictly based on DSM-IV semantics. The picture as a whole was a mathematical function of CO2 intake.
It may therefore be inferred that a double breath of increasing concentrations of CO2 dose dependently induced a condition complying with the formal criteria of panic in current psychiatric nosology.
There has been a wealth of evidence showing that experimental hypercapnia triggers PA's in patients diagnosed with PD [1], [2], [4], and conditions which are closely related to PD [12], [13]. In contrast, the same procedure failed to affect patients with other disorders [14], in particular those with Generalized Anxiety Disorder [15], [16], Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder [17], [18], Eating Disorders [19], Major Depression [20] and control groups of healthy volunteers. First-degree relatives of PD patients however share a significant degree of CO2 vulnerability [4], [21], [22]. In fact, the liability to experience panic with CO2 exposure discriminates between individuals at high and low risk for PD [3].
Recent reports have suggested that healthy individuals breathing a low 7% concentration of CO2 may display signs of generalized anxiety [9], [23]. Yet, the present results are the first to demonstrate that CO2 dose dependently activates a condition identical to panic in healthy volunteers, regardless of any constitutional predisposition to psychiatric pathology.
Did CO2 induce a true emotion? While formally meeting all the criteria of a PA according to modern psychiatric nosology, the CO2 induced state we observed in our healthy subjects may have been a "phenocopy" of panic, the amalgam of autonomic symptoms of hypercapnia and some resulting physical discomfort. Amongst the 13 PSL items, we therefore separately analyzed the specific cognitive symptoms of "derealization" and "fear of loosing control". Several studies have identified these symptoms as belonging to a specific psychological/cognitive cluster on basis of factor analysis [10], [11]. Our results show that both "derealization" and "fear of loosing control" were linked to the doses of inhaled carbon dioxide in a significant linear and quadratic pattern. Across the procedure, "derealization/depersonalisation" displayed more than one point increase (on a five point scale) in about half of the subjects, and "fear of loosing control" in about one fourth of them. Fear of dying did not belong to the cognitive dimension in Meuret and Cox's studies [10], [11], nevertheless, from a conceptual point of view, it may refer to an extreme type of emotion. In the present study "fear of dying" remained very infrequent. However, when reported, we noted a significant dose-response relationship. It should be born in mind that all subjects were in a safe laboratory environment, and all had received ample reassurance regarding the safety of the intervention trough the informed consent procedure. This obviously influenced the psychological impact of CO2. Yet, modest as they are, cognitive shifts did occur, they were a function of the experimental procedure, and their occurrence was statistically significant.
This lends support to the idea that, beyond a particular threshold, carbon dioxide may yield genuine psychotropic properties in healthy individuals.
Influential authors have increasingly referred to emotions as evolutionarily derived, "organism-ready solutions" to face major survival problems [24], as brain representations of internal body states [25], and more specifically, as images of the "material me" arising from "the homeostatic condition of each individual's body" [26]. The idea that panic may proceed from a suffocation alarm disrupted by acute CO2 loading is perfectly consonant with such views. Several pieces of evidence point to a connection between hypercapnia and emotion. For instance, it appears that central chemosensitivity is not restricted to medullary respiratory neurons. Severson and co-workers [27] have shown that midbrain raphe serotonergic neurons are CO2 sensors, and midbrain neurons are not believed to have any direct function in the control of ventilation. Instead these midbrain chemosensors head mainly in the rostral direction. They have been proposed to participate in the homeostasis of the brain via non-respiratory responses to hypercapnia, including behavioural reactions as hyperarousal and anxiety [28]. Liotti et al. have produced neuroimaging evidence linking directly CO2 inhalation with brain structures related to emotions [29]. Following CO2 induced breathlessness, healthy volunteers displayed limbic and paralimbic activation, and neuronal firing in the affective brain correlated with the sense of suffocation. The authors comment that this neuronal activity may reflect a primal emotion, in other words "a compelling interoceptor-driven affect, rooted in metabolic distress, and aimed at signalling that the existence of the organism is endangered." In an earlier study on the characteristics of CO2 induced responses, healthy volunteers spontaneously described their subjective experience as "frightening", "panicky" or "scaring", while authors noted that the sensitivity of the feeling, which was poorly correlated with the ventilatory response, varied threefold among individuals [30].
Our study shows that CO2 intake induces an affective state, which is similar to the psychiatric picture of panic. Within subjects, we observe a significant interaction between the intensity of the affective response and the CO2 concentration of the inhaled mixture.
We show older subjects to display less behavioural vulnerability to CO2, compared to younger individuals. To the extent that CO2 intake is a valid model of panic, this difference between younger and older subjects strikingly evokes the decline of natural PA's and the progressive blunting of panic symptomatology in PD patients when they grow older [31]. Most studies have found a lower prevalence of PD amongst elderly people [32]. The decreased CO2 susceptibility in the elderly revealed by the present data reminds of a similar age effect found with experimental cholecystokinin provocation of panic [33]. If midbrain serotonergic chemosensors are at work in the chain of events leading from CO2 to panic, the phenomenon observed in our study might be related to an age dependent decline of serotonergic activity [34], [35].
No gender differences were found. This is somewhat surprising in view of all epidemiological data showing women to be at greater risk for panic than men [36]. Yet, a recent study in a nonclinical population shows women reporting more fear and panic than men after CO2 administration [37]. Interestingly, when asked to rate their experience on a "like or dislike" dimension (which dimension has a conceptual overlap with "discomfort"), the gender difference disappeared. This suggests women being more prone than men to report a feeling as "anxiety". Therefore, lumping together anxiety and discomfort in our eVAAS may have blunted a gender effect. It is noteworthy that the few existing reports about sex differences in the so-called condition "non fearful PD", which diagnosis relies on "discomfort" rather than on "anxiety", suggest that both genders have similar prevalence [38], [39].
A final comment applies to the potential of further work with CO2 challenges in healthy individuals. The panic model of CO2, in particular the single breath 35% CO2 procedure, has proven to be both valid and reliable [40]. It has undergone extended pharmacological validation, e.g. Bertani, Perna et al. [41]. Assuming that higher doses of CO2 activate the same physiologic chain of events in panic free individuals, CO2 challenges in healthy volunteers may have a strong potential as a substitute to early clinical trials in testing novel pharmacological compounds.
In conclusion, it appears that healthy individuals display a distinct behavioural vulnerability to increasing levels of acute hypercapnia. This effect is dose-dependent and shares a striking similarity with the psychiatric condition of panic.
CO2 susceptibility, sensed as acute affective distress may represent an evolutionarily evolved protective mechanism in case of impending asphyxia.
Experimental assessments. DSM IV TR criteria for Panic Attack; eVAAS for Fear/Discomfort; Panic Symptom List (PSL-IV)
Competing Interests: The authors have declared that no competing interests exist.
Funding: The authors have no support or funding to report.
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Road pedals: head-to-head comparison
Oct 11, 2001 1:00 PM
I see this topic repeatedly come up. Hopefully this can help somebody out there who's dying to know how these systems compare without investing too much time / money.
!!! GEEK ALERT !!! (Grz, this means you)
I've worked for several engineering firms and have done my share of technical writing. I did NOT put empirical data behind this comparison, therefore it is SUBJECTIVE in nature, based on my personal experience, and that of my students over the years. IMO a subjective comparison is more valuable as a "quality of life" measurement for daily use. Meaning it doesn't matter a gosh-darn if those things weigh 400 grams or 200, if they're not comfortable, you're not happy. Enjoy!
* LOOK: Rode these for years, good all-rounders
- Ease of engagement: Moderate. Single-sided pedal, requires a toe-flip to engage but large cleat surface is easy to capture
- Retention: Moderate to good, depends on tension adjustment
- Pedaling platform: Large and wide, superb pressure dispersal
- Biomechanics: Sole sits fairly high/far from pedal spindle. 5-10 deg. float with red cleats depends on wear/lubrication and will get sticky as cleat becomes roughed up.
- Cornering Clearance: Fair
- Cleat life: Dismal. Plastic cleats must be waxed often (White Lightning), or they will squeak. Have seen several instances of cleats that failed catastrophically, causing pullout/crash.
- Weight: Moderate.
* Time road pedals: Preferred choice by many racers, somewhat pricey
- Ease of engagement: Difficult. Single-sided pedal, requires a toe-flip to engage, cam levers can be hard to capture and need forceful push to actuate.
- Retention: Excellent.
- Pedaling platform: Large
- Biomechanics: Sole sits close to pedal spindle. 5-10 deg. float has mechanical spring re-centering which is hard on some knees
- Cornering Clearance: Good
- Cleat life: Excellent; brass cleats wear slowly and rarely squeak
- Weight: Moderate to good depending on model
* SPD road pedals: (based on feedback from others)
- Ease of engagement: Fiddly, this is a small, single sided pedal
- Retention: Good to excellent
- Pedaling platform: somewhat narrow
- Biomechanics: Moderate, fairly close position to spindle, unsure re: float
- Cornering Clearance: Good
- Cleat life: good, will become harder to release as they wear. Haven't heard of noise issues. Not walkable or compatible with SPD offroad systems.
- Weight: Relatively lightweight
* SPD MTB pedals: Many commuters and recreational riders use these on-road for the walkable aspect. I've used them for commuting & MTB for years
- Ease of engagement: Good, dual-sided entry, although pedal has sharp edges and can 'bear-claw' if you miss.
- Retention: Moderate; very prone to accidental release unless tensioned to point of difficult entry
- Pedaling platform: very small
- Biomechanics: Sole sits very high / far away from spindle, 5-10 deg. of float
- Cornering Clearance: Dismal
- Cleat life: good, will become harder to release as they wear. No noise issues. Walkable system.
- Weight: Varies widely by model
* Speedplay road pedals: Pedal of choice for criterium racers, gram counters and knee injuries
- Ease of engagement: Excellent, dual-sided entry, pedal can be engaged from any angle but is highly sensitive to dirt. Don't ever get them muddy.
- Retention: Excellent due to high release angle.
- Pedaling platform: Small, large cleat helps to disperse load
- Biomechanics: Sole sits very close to spindle, the 20 deg. of unrestrained float feels awkward to some
- Cornering Clearance: Superb, you will hit your shoe or crankarm before you hit the pedal
- Cleat life: Excellent as long as you lube regularly and don't walk on gravel (bends the springs)
- Weight: Very light, although a fair bit of weight is carried in the cleat system.
What about bebop...............
Oct 11, 2001 9:51 PM
wow, that is quite a bit of info. What do you think about bebop pedals?
Unknown factors....
Oct 12, 2001 10:25 AM
I've never used them, nor have any of my students. I try not to get involved in discussions where I have no basis of fact.
I also have no firsthand experience with the Campy Pro-fit system, although I've heard rumors that they're difficult to get in and out of and are basically just an answer to the SPD road system. I love everything Campy, but also acknowledge that they tend to be very reactionary where Sh*m*n* is involved, so there's my unbiased opinion for you.
I personally ride Speedplays on the road and bought Time offroad pedals about a week ago after my SPD's contributed to my broken ankle.
nice post! should save as FAQ and repost in response to...
Js Haiku Shop
Oct 12, 2001 4:50 AM
recurring surveys and/or posts regarding same. would save lots of time and conflicting info!
thanks LFR!
anyone have feedback on this pedal?
Oct 12, 2001 6:47 AM
It looks promising.
Thank you for this post. Now I won't wonder so much about Time road pedals when I see them in a catalouge.
anyone have feedback on this pedal?
Mel Erickson
Oct 12, 2001 7:43 AM
Looks real interesting, especially for MTB use. I would worry about hot spots with such small, concentrated contact points for road riding. I would also be concerned about bending the "beaters" while mountain biking. Time pedals have been known to have this happen and there are more "beaters" to catch on rocks, roots, etc. with these pedals.
re: Road pedals: head-to-head comparison
Oct 12, 2001 6:54 AM
Everything tends to be subjective, no matter the technical info. I like Speedplay pedals: I have Parkinsons, therefore a pedal that is easy to engage, double sided is great for me. I also have a bad knee, the float has helped.
The cleats were difficult to walk in, and would wear easily. I solved this by buying the cleat covers. The lube was solved with their grease gun. I have had no problem with these pedals. I love them!
Minor clarification
Oct 12, 2001 12:07 PM
I don't understand distinguishing between the "walkability" of SPD-R and SPD-M pedals. Whether it is easy to walk is solely a function of shoe, not pedal. Many roadies use recessed cleats.
Also, FYI, SPDs have widened significantly in recent years, especially at the higher end (SPD-R 9900 and 6600). I don't think that the old chestnut about tiny platforms necessarily applies... it is certainly competitive with Time and Speedplay (though probably not Look). As for float, I think most models will offer in the range of 6% - 9%.
This is a great post though. Keep up the good info.
thanks JT - more clarification
Oct 12, 2001 1:17 PM
Thanks for the clarification; SPD-Rs are probably the ones I have the least experience with, so I appreciate the input.
I refrained from saying anything about the Campy Pro-Fit pedals, since the only person I've known who used them categorically hated them compared to their old touring SPD's (recreational rider who bought a bunch of fancy upgrades to be more "racer-like" against my better judgment). My students and teammates who've used SPD-R did not have walkable shoes. The entire post is slanted somewhat towards the fact that the bulk of my students are competitive cyclists, same as me, probably should add that to the "geek" disclaimer.
As far as pedaling platform, I'll add that feedback I received on SPD-R's was they were somewhat narrow, or as one student termed it "tippy" (meaning some lateral play perhaps exacerbated by their choice of shoe).
My personal experience with a fairly wide range of pedals is that it makes no difference how big the pedal-to-shoe interface is, i.e. Speedplays and SPD "downhill" type platform pedals (yes I race dual slalom, too). It's actually the pedal-to-cleat interface and pattern that seems to disperse or concentrate pressure, and this directly affects incidence of comfort or pressure / hotspots.
My Speedplays will cause moderate hotspots on a long, hot ride, whereas Looks and Times (which do have small cleats, but they're spread far apart and disperse the load over a wider area) never did, regardless of the fact that the entire interface to the shoe is about the same size. Since I am a criterium specialist, the Speedplay clearance and retention greatly outweighs the hotspot issue, as I'll willingly sacrifice minor comfort on 4+ hour training rides for the greatly increased safety margins when cornering and sprinting at 30+ mph. All the SPD MTB's I've ever used, including the SPD/platforms cause me brutal hotspots and/or foot cramps, and that gets rough over the course of a 2+ hour MTB race. I've recently justified the $$ to switch to Time ATACs.
Oct 12, 2001 2:06 PM
This is what I'm using (Ultegra's). There aren't many comments that I can make because this is my first clipless pedal. I'm not sure there is much float in these at all, but I need to ride others before I can know for sure. After I upgrade and ride new pedals for a bit, I'll send you an email and let you know.
Another helpful technological improvement...
Oct 13, 2001 9:01 AM
is the carbon soled road shoe. I think that a carbon soled shoe could be used with a much small pedal platform and it wouldn't even be felt because the sole is COMPLETELY rigid.
Campy Pro-Fit
Oct 12, 2001 3:06 PM
- Retention, Excellent unless plastic cleat is worn. Same basic shape as Look cleats with metal insert to clasp hook on pedal. Had a cleat point break on a friendly ;-) Thursday night ride and pulled pedal out during uphill sprint. Yowza was that a thrill!
- Pedaling platform: slight smaller than Look, substantially wider than SPD-M.
- Biomechanics: Sole sits closer to pedal than Look but not as close as Speedplay. By feel only, they are not as efficient in transferring energy as Looks but float is very comfortable without feeling loose. Clip-in and clip-out are very easy but, like Looks, you have to kick them over to clip-in.
- Cornering clearance: I don't ride crits so sorry, no data.
- Cleat life: poor, like Looks. My one pull-out means I inspect them before every ride.
- Weight: lighter than Looks, heavier than Speedplay and SPD.
- Summary: Good all around pedal including competitive recreational riding. Very comfortable for long rides. If I raced, I'd switch to Looks or Speedplays.

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When the sun goes down, many Phoenix chefs love heading to Welcome Diner. Discover their other favorite late-night spots.
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Just like you, chefs love going out at night. And chefs are uniquely qualified to pick late-night spots, since they work in the industry and tend to get off late. From Welcome Diner to the beloved Pig & Pickle, here are these chefs' favorite places to head after hours.
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Pig & Pickle, no question. There is such a great vibe there! After hours, or even during regular hours, everyone's having a great time. Plus, they might have the best music in town. A cocktail, their Apocalypse Sow burger, a quick shot of bourbon, and you're set.
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Pig & Pickle. Those boys kill it. Always have. They have the best cocktails and serve duck-fat-fried goodness until the wee hours of the morning.
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Welcome Diner, hands down! It has the most vibrant vibe after hours and such a communal layout. You are bound to meet someone new inside the trailer or outside on the large picnic tables. On top of that, they have the type of food you just can't resist and crave at that hour! Pork fries are my jam.
Christopher Nicosia, chef of Sassi
Scottsdale Beer Company for a beer and a snack on the rare occasion that I do venture out after work. Jerky, fried pickles, and chicharrones are great to nibble on with one of their stronger IPAs.
Jim Gallen, chef of Tom's Tavern
Being downtown, we have two awesome bars, The Kettle Black and Bitter & Twisted. Both have a unique ambience and a great scene! Jason Key and Ross Simon are owners that are committed to creating the best bars in Phoenix.
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The Ostrich in downtown Chandler. Partly because it's just a short stroll for me when I'm off of work, but mostly because Brandon and his staff make excellent cocktails.
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Welcome Diner. The people!!
Beau MacMillan, chef of elements
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With so many great mixologists, there is always a place to get a great drink. But, when I'm feeling that dive-bar vibe, the Tally Ho is one of my favorite spots. It has no windows, and I love bars with no windows. The Dubliner is also a top notch dive-bar — you can't beat a good Irish bar.
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Pig & Pickle. The atmosphere is very industry with great staff and food. Scotty, Zach, and Jess sling some mean cocktails too.
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I loathe the dentist. Yes, I just said the word loathe. And I've told my last two dentists this very thing. Yes, I just said two dentists.
So recently I visited my least favorite place on the planet for a "deep cleaning." This went beyond the normal cleaning because it's…well…deeper. And more painful. Oh joy!
Just before the hygienist began the intensive scraping process she asked me if I wanted to wear sunglasses. I declined. Then she said, "Alrighty then, just close your eyes and go to your 'happy place.'" Deep inside my heart raced. Not only was I under the pressure of the ensuing poking, prodding, and scraping, but now I was under pressure to find my "happy place." Where in the world is my "happy place"? What in the world is my "happy place"?
My mind raced…probably to keep up with my heart rate and blood pressure. With each passing scratch and scathing of that pokey thing against my teeth, my brain flashed scenes from childhood dentistry fiascos to meeting Barry Sanders on the campus at Oklahoma State University. It went from getting locked in the bathroom at a gas station when I was a kid to sitting on the beach in Charleston, South Carolina.
Seriously. I was all over the map. But, I was trying to relax. Trying to find that blasted "happy place." I'm thinking "blasted" and "happy place" shouldn't be in the same sentence, huh?
The weird thing is the hygienist—though she was scraping nasty unidentifiable things off my teeth—she was apparently in her "happy place." She was humming and scratching…scraping and humming. Go figure!
Since we're created as emotional beings, I wonder if we can truly control our emotions. When we're feeling anxious, sad, lonely, or afraid, can we simply push "happy" on our internal emotional vending machine, and instantly receive happy? Is it that easy?
In the Bible, Jeremiah was known as the "weeping prophet." In chapter 3 of Lamentations he writes, "I'll never forget the trouble, the utter lostness, the taste of ashes, the poison I've swallowed. I remember it all—oh, how well I remember—the feeling of hitting the bottom" (verses 19-20, MSG).
I'm pretty sure if you told Jeremiah to go to his happy place right then he'd struggle just as much as I did. Struggle? Yes. But was it impossible? No. Though he may have felt helpless quite frequently, he wasn't hopeless.
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Maybe our happy place lies somewhere in the promise of God's loyal love that never runs out. Maybe our happy place falls somewhere in the truth of God's merciful love that never dries up. Maybe our happy place rests somewhere in the truth that no matter what we do—no matter what we've done—we get a brand new, fresh start each and every morning.
So for me, don't bring on the dentist. Bring on the morning!
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alloypony American's .....too heal American's ! your a lost soul zap !
FauxHunter Plant Many people on the left have apologized for their
rhetoric....but the Tea people in AZ screeched they would Not judge their hate
talk...and your "Queen of Mean" SP just used 8 hours to cry about people being
mean to her...not Once did she Acknowledge the fact that Gabby Herself stated
she felt there would be "consequences" to SP's hate speech...not One "I
shouldn't have gone there"
you think That was a way of properly memorializing the citizens who died???
Probably, I'd guess..
RevPettibone to FauxHunter...
Palin posted a video on her Face Book page in response to all the criticism
hurled at her. You would do the same. However the Left, in an ongoing effort to
bolster their own pitiful political positions... are still doing their damnedest
to tag Palin and anyone else on the Right for the discontent in America
You Liberals think by maligning conservatives, you can some how silence the
Right. Well think again my friend.... Conservatives aren't gonna stand still
while progressives continue to make libelous and cruel comments.
NinjaSauce where you expecting him to entertain you?
marygard NinjaS- Brilliant retort!
lennon2010 Obama LIED Last NIGHT, who is surprised. The congresswoman eyes
opened Sunday night and ObamaGod was no where near. POS wants credit for
performing miracles.
Satch of Bridgend Zap, why do you keep on demonstrating your limited
intelligence? Just stay in your padded cell and shut up.
sangha774 zap:
That's how some children talk.
newswoman Not a racist, hunh, Zap????? Get off this blog. You have nothing to
tps364 Yea, don't worry about that "Freedom of Speech" thing. BTW, what is your
contribution, newswoman?
Boy, if these aren't knee-jerk reactions...... Nearly all of you have posted in
response to Zap with a snotty remark, and usually do. lmao! Most of you lefties
on this rag do not have the intelligence or the class to to discuss the issues
with any respectable level of decency. It's always, "attack the messenger".
Zap's witty inventions speak volumes compared to you. And he does it without all
the vitriol. Because you clearly don't understand what he's saying, I'm probably
wasting my time. But I have a little spare time and don't mind reaching in to
bitch-slap someone when I see fit. My take on the speech is this: It was well
written as a presidential speech should be. Obama spoke in usual Obamacles
speak. buzzbuzz The event as a whole: Despicable! I thought I saw a slight
nervousness on Napolitano and Obama about the exuberance of the 17,000 in
attendance. They might have pulled off this well choriograhed event if they had
bussed in sign holders or something instead of the prep rally crews. This event
hardly mirrors the 1 million population of Tuscon. But hey, as long as it looks
good, maybe nobody will notice. buzzbuzz...... I want to say it's the same old
song and dance, but there too are many inconsistencies with this president. I
guess he didn't see the political advantage to holding a similar rally at Fort
Hood. Or at the memorials for the recruiter deaths. Nevertheless, Obama didn't
let the crisis go to waste. I predict IF Obama gets through the Democrat
primary, he will lose the general by a historic margin. The narcisist on
training wheels freak show has had it's 15 min. of fame. Oh, and to those who
are capable of posting more than a 5 word insult, and those who don't have to
copy and paste bits of someone elses blog, hmm......that leaves out any lefties
on TDB.
reader3 tps - You'll have to admit, that it's difficult to respond to zap's
comment. There's nothing there but a racist crack about his diction and the word
"boring". Is that ZAP'S contribution?
Most people found Obama's words comforting and uplifting, as evidenced by the
reaction of the families of the fallen. You'll agree that AZ is heavily
Republican, so it stands to reason that most of the family members are as well.
At the conclusion, many strained to shake Obama's hand, to thank him, and to
compliment his speech. I guess you think that they were all democrats, huh?
As for zap's childish rantings, he/she/it ha every right to rant. Just as
newswoman has every right to tell him/her/it to shut up. Racism bothers some
people, you see...
That was more than five words, and I await your critique, you bozo.
*I added that at the last minute just to be sure we're speaking the same
Rankfile I'll give Zap one thing -- he's quick on the buzzer, always first to
post so he can start things off on a negative track.
tps364 -- (catchy handle BTW), Zap is the knee-jerk around here. He only
responds to the name Obama and never actually seems to absorb the content he's
mocking or whatever he's supposed to be doing.
If you find that worthy of your support, each to their own.
On your post, you seem to have a problem with the "exuberance" of the gathered
assembly. But aren't the denizens of Tucson entitled to mourn as they see fit?
The mass was held earlier in the day and don't mistake the lack of solemnity for
a lack of intensity.
Did you see the faces of the families of the victims? Did you? I don't think so.
Because one could clearly gauge from their reaction that the event was doing
justice to how they felt amidst this hurricane of loss.
There. More than five words. No cut and paste.
Jasun Mark You wanted him to tap dance and tell jokes or something?
redsunriseman1 Well if your attention span is that limited to only WWF or
Housewives or a dog and poney show ,then I guess it would bore you .We weren't
watching a minstral show with Al Joleson , we were watching a memorial that
shouldn't have had to be, if only bigots , crazies, and haters would get over
the fact that the man in the oval office is BLACK. SP is capitalizing on that
fact ,and is milking it for all its worth , as she said durning the campaign " I
ain't doing this for nothing " a responce to her running as McCain's VP , she
knew it was her street credit to run for the office herself regardless if they
won or lost. Well her march to the Whitehouse is filled with the bones of those
she uses ,and discards to get to her imangined God Given Role . As far as Obama
not giving you a show , he isn't Sammy Davis Jr. or a Minstrel player HE IS THE
YearsLaterXXI Jasun again we have an amazing prresident, Now is not the time for
anything else, This is what presdients are for besides leading the
country,""consoling it."" The whole story is not about any of us ,our
opinions,the speeches,comforting and necessary, this is a horrandeous
tragedy,without explanations and reasons,But this it is about the victims those
mouning, those hurting, that community,those wounded those doctors and everyday
heroes.!!!There is no Candidate Now at this Moment that can hold a candle to the
president. he is the Star again,neither party.
PamB12 Certainly a lot better than the Smirker in chief, Bush ever did !
Perhaps you miss that old bully boy, swaggering, bumping into doors guy?
YOU deserve him, and what he did to this country ! Name if you can, one thing
this country is suffering from, that bush did not cause. ??????
flyoverland At least Bush didn't turn a memorial service into a pep rally. That
was disgusting. Whoever brought those inane t-shirts ought to be summarily
YearsLaterXXI Pam, he did all that and more, but where were the Democrats. What
did they get benefits,rewards ,wealth ,trips,perks ,profits,retirements
healthcare if they did nothing all these years. they were the innocent
bystanders. they did a number on the country also. but anyway, who wants to go
and repeat all this. So many have suchclass, and humbleness and are suffering
and mourning,&here we are part of the nasty, blogs and mood of the country.Bye
reader3 Pam - I kept thinking how great it is that after eight years, we finally
have a literate president. He can even pronounce nuclear!
cherokeeno1 Zap, I say this with all hopes that I can be of assistance to you
from a humane standpoint. Have you considered doubling your dosage of Prozac? If
that fails to aid you, you might try Thorazine. it has been proven to work well
with horses.
FauxHunter zap is there a horrid episode in life are you still trying to recover
from? there appears to be a bitter center to you that could use some healing.
or are you just looking for attention ; )
ittybittykitty Fail.
UNIVERSALIS zapzinger, is that what your brain processes? That is it?
But you probably think that Bush was an intellectual, and Beck is a genius.
Ther you have for displaying a prime example of cognitive inflexibility
zapzinger Sarah Palin, gorgeous & gracious, came out way ahead of the curve & on
the right side of history.
pacifistgunslinger zap
Gracious? The woman has probably never been that in her entire life. Petulant
and whining is more accurate. Protruding chin to hide all the things she doesn't
know and doesn't want to know.
anghiari hmmmm...given the number of hysterical Palin apologists...President
Obama must of have hit that speech out of the park! Former Governor Palin on the
other hand was knee deep in crisis management in her little spiel. Clearly the
Republicans are caught...thrilled that she just nailed her public persona to a
level of stupidity that is expected ...bound to happen sooner or later. She will
no longer be a problem for Republican hierarchy who have been praying she would
do just this....but they are a bit sad, because she allowed herself to be
compared to President Obama in this critical moment. How did that woman get this
moment sooooooooooooo wrong? Girlfriend, it is not the time to cry in your beer,
but a time to give condolences and step off stage. Anybody else notice she fell
down the rabbit hole? (big smile)
lodger16z This is
, not 1992. We all can see and think about what the Prez was reacting to. Obama,
Sarah, Trent Franks, Rush. etc., all got their 2 cents in. But so did the other
300 million Americans, if they wanted to. The irrelevance of the Beltway is best
shown by the uninspired yawns milieu of the Sunday Morning talk shows, which
anyone under 65 wouldn't be caught dead watching!
estcruzer I believe you would be surprised how many over 65 refuse to watch fox
or listen to rush - we aren't dumb - many of us aren't dumb that is.
Skyrider Zappy- Your ignorant, racist comments are so beyond boring......
dander it's all so predictable. yawn. barry was and always be a community
organizer with the gift of gab. orator in chief. he's a dud. a narcissist.
that's it. loves the power. to fly around and be on the dole. he's clueless. all
the crap he's done is by chance. a demo congress/senate could pass anything.
economics? throw tons of money at the wall and start campaigning for 2012. he
loves the power so much the transparency is appalling. he creeps me out. and
just because americans are so dumb/easily deluded his ability to stand at the
podium (when not flying around) and speak until you give up or forget what the
topic was should not be grounds for applause and affirmation of leadership.
innocentcitizen of course this was all about barry. the lamestream media are
falling all over themselves to praise their anointed one. shameless politicking
is all this is. barry is a chicago thug who will not let a crisis go to waste.
"mourner in chief", "put palin to shame". do you realize this isn't journalism.
this is propaganda right out of the pravda playbook. liberals are disgusting and
texmiahall To Innocent'....go back to your hole and take Palin with you.
Nitebird33 Hmmmm. Funny how the Fox News critics gathered to critique the speech
had high praise for the President. They certainly aren't lumped in with the the
so-called "lamestream" media. So what gives? Is it possible? Could it be that
President Obama handled the affair with the proper dignity and tone that the
situation called for? I guess not in the minds , such as they exist, of the far
right. Some right wingers are so disgusting and shameless...
newswoman I heard one criticism on Imus from Chris Wallace. The speech was TOO
LONG. Imus said the President couldn't help it if the audience (college
students) clapped and cheered all the time. That took up some time. But,
otherwise he got a good rating from the conservatives.
RobbyS My only complaint, if such that is what it is, was the setting--and the
focus on Obama's performance. They were selling cokes. And it lent to a pep
rally atmosphere. The only call for cheering was when Obama revealed Gifford's
progress. I only pray that that was not the high point in her recovery.
FauxHunter "innocent" hadn't watched Fox yet so missed what they were supposed
to be Feeling today...
Carole65 While I did not vote for Obama, and will probably not vote for him in
2012, your remarks in this particular tragedy do not resonante with mainstream
Americans. It's important to keep criticism to policies proposed and enacted by
his administration and not to the man. His eulogy last night was excellent and
deserves kudos. Fox News commentators also agree, and I wouldn't classify them
as "lamestream media" As far as Sarah Palin's remarks are concerned, she, in my
opinion, should have saved it for awhile and not have done it before the slain
victims were buried and the nation returned to business. It translated into her
angst at unfair criticism by the left wing nuts. If she had confined her remarks
to the tragedy and left her well founded criticisms for a future date, she would
have been better received. If she ever had plans to run for POTUS, her support
has been eroded, and she, alone, is responsible.
sangha774 Carole65: Excellent.
newswoman It's true, Carole. The fact that Ms Gifford mentioned the 'crosshairs'
map of Palin's and then was shot, puts Palin in a bad position. She is not
responsible for Lougner's crazy act, but because her 'map' was mentioned by the
AZ representative, she will be forever linked. I think her presidential run is
over, if she ever had one.
Carole65 No, newswomen, Palin's map had no provable evidence for this tragedy.
Did you miss the subtile rebuke of the President last night for those who
suggested it did? You, like Sheriff Dupnik and Sarah Palin are piling up in the
same toxic rabbit hole of the "blame game".
FauxHunter I agree but I would like to raise the question...SP basically talked
about herself...she was hurt and angry...and she talked about her
wounds...despite the fact That People Had Actually Been Killed...
There is IMHO an immaturity expressed in the way she handled herself. She Did
accomplish her "political goal" of revving her base the whole "they are all
against me=they are all against you.
nut is That appropriate...is it Fair to negate the opinions of grief stricken
families Just to preserve her political stance...
she could have defended herself...since that was her main goal...but still
acknowledge the grief and feelings of Gabby's dad...
people who love her would have loved her no matter what...everyone else just got
a much worse impression of her...
Carole65 FauxHunter...........I confess that I didn't watch her video and based
my opinion on what was reported. And I think you're right, that those who love
her have conviently rationalized the attention she drew to her legitimate
complaints, but her taking yesterday to do that was illadvised and unfortunate
for her, if she had any plans at seeking the Presidency. She doesn't top my list
as the best candidate, but if she ever had, she got moved to the very bottom.
ittybittykitty Good one Carole.
Ronin58 Carole 65
Flagged for sanity,decency, and intelligence !
UNIVERSALIS So Palin supporters are Mainstream America ?! HAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHA!
isabella Carole65
President Obama did not rebuke his supporters who blame Palin for this tragedy.
As usual, he had a bet each way.
"For the truth is that none of us can know exactly what triggered this vicious
attack. None of us can know with any certainty what might have stopped those
shots from being fired, or what thoughts lurked in the inner recesses of a
violent man's mind."
He said that incivility did not cause this tragedy, but stopped short of
denouncing those who have been stoking anger at conservatives, whom we now know
had nothing to do with this man's evil act.
President Obama, as usual, laid the blame on Americans in general. As Powers put
it: Among the many odd assertions he made: he said that this tragedy requires
that "we align our values with our actions". We were told to "expand our moral
imaginations", whatever that might mean.
Then he told Americans to "be better," as if we somehow caused this shooting to
happen. He said, "We may not be able to stop all evil in the world, but..... how
we treat one another is entirely up to us."
Having stopped short of saying conservatives like Palin didn't cause the
tragedy, he ends by saying that political discourse caused it. As Powers said,
he isn't suggesting that how you treat the mailman or your mother, is at issue.
estcruzer The fact is that Palin had the crosshairs map removed on AFTER Gifford
was shot (along with 18 others including a Judge and a 9 year old girl both of
which were killed in this massacre). Surely Palin didn't think that her map
contributed to the madness - or did she, Why did she remove it anyway, was the
work done?
YearsLaterXXI Newswoman, you have one of the best posts ever. While she did not
advocate it, the map,this is one of your best comments. ever.But ,they keep on
empowering her,hating her instead of letting go of her, that should have
happened,long ago. But she did get caught up,in the map,4ever.
newswoman Are you kidding, notsoinnocent?? This is right out of the repub
playbook. The code words: "Barry", "Lamestream Media". "Chicago Thug", "mourner
in chief". You did a good job, but you forgot to mention, not born in the USA, a
Muslim, a socialist/fascist/leftist, community activist. Let's see, did I forget
any???? Oh yeah, mention Palin as often as you can. Yep, you did as told. Your
handlers will be pleased.
isabella newswoman
So will yours.
YearsLaterXXI newswoman, awfull what has been done to the pres. But some of us
thought dem were. better,a kinder,people. a kinder ,nicer,group. and they turned
out the same.Ran amuck and do not think they were backing the president They
were backing each other and the party and those 30 years in power.Both parties
have, Some who are wonderful, and some are awfull on both sides. On the
president last night. He is the BO many of us voted for again. but because he is
in charge,again. Not the whole Dem crew that got out of hand ,nasty &arrogant.
But the president is a kind man, a charismatic fine person,and every time they
mention him,we should say President BO.I find we are such a rude ,nasty ,gross
hatefull,public everyone calling him Obama.No he is Pres Obama. The left paid
back SP,and turned the country upside down against,her,she became the hatred
poster,attacks on her ,family oh who cares?. The real class acts here,and
everywhere,are The Latin aid, who saved GG and spoke like a king,the WH should
take this young 21 year old under their wing. What an amazing humble,
human,being The doctors, the wounded ,the families,those who are mouning, those
are the real examples true humble and fine people.Not us.
YearsLaterXXI estruzer, I have seen dem do the same ,attack with politics. Not
bullits. Arm yourself with the constitution,again,no one advocated this.Besides
this ,pot user drinking bipolar,schizophrenic cared for neither,party of
politicians He hurt one of the new and upcoming and caring and bypartisan.We
remember Chris Mathews once saying something like they should blow Limbaughs
head out something,the media has done a great deal of harm.to our mood.,the 24
hours entertainers not journalist,hipying for enetertainment ,and
ratings.Repeating or attacking the other stations. Truthfully,it has harmed,
homes families, and the Mood of this country&.(the internet ofcourse) Many of us
thought this tragedy would bring change, and it has not. But the left are to
blame like the right.The right ,the left,all
sangha774 I knew before I switched on my computer that a few anti-Obama blood
suckers would be waiting to pounce on his speech. Congrats - you're actually the
first. I bet you felt it profoundly painful 14,000 times every time the
President was applauded. Calling the President names through empty rhetoric
convinces no one. The only benefit served is as a safety valve for your
isabella sangha774
The event was a tribute to the dead and injured. President Obama looked
disconcerted at the noisy cheering and applause during speeches before his. They
even cheered and stamped their feet when Janet Napolitano and Eric Holder read
from Scripture (both movingly, by the way). It was bizarre and you have to
wonder who organized the cheer squad. Maybe the University president who spoke
as though he was giving a sales pitch. When Obama himself spoke the rabble
behaved as though they were at a campaign rally. Improper, if not indecent in
the circumstances.
Lilli917 Isabella, I agree that President Obama seemed taken aback by the
cheering, as I was. I thought the fact that Napolitano and Holder read Scripture
also implied that they were expecting something more along the lines of the
Oklahoma City memorial. The University president seemed to set a different tone.
Wasn't it U of A that refused to give President Obama an honorary doctorate when
he spoke at their graduation? I thought the President's speech could have used a
little more decorum from the audience.
isabella sangha774
I love the new Democratic response to Obama's call for moderation in political
discourse. "Bloodsuckers".
I'd hate to think what would you consider inflammatory. On second thought, we've
been seeing it for two years.
purenordic indolent, was your idea for a show turned down by comedy central
again? i can't imagine why...except for the fact that YOU'RE NOT FUNNY!!!
pathetic, yes. have you tried your tripe at faux news? they're fluent in
AnyoneforTea Gag me with a spoon.
HappyLib A week ago I would have gladly taken you up on that offer.
Ronin58 Funny !
FauxHunter I know ; ) LOL
as hard as it is, I personally am going to try to "Be the Change" I want in the
world...even if I end up gagging on it : )
texmiahall Bravo Mr. President.
estcruzer Yes, Bravo Mr. President
gahanson You mean the 0bama re-election rally billed as a "memorial service,"
complete with t-shirts for everyone, campaign slogans taped to the backs of all
the seats, and a cheering section. 0bama's words about unity are as hollow as
his head. Where was he the past several days as his democrat supporters, and his
media lapdogs were busy spewing hatred? He remained totally silent, figuring
that their vile spew was good, he even called up Sheriff Dupnik to congratulate
him on a "job well done." The only job Dupnik has done well is jump in front of
every camera within a mile of him, and vomit out the democrat talking points.
Jasun Mark I know you wish that was true, but.... No. Sorry.
sangha774 gahanson:
Poor loser. I bet you doubled up in pain for every applause the President
HappyLib Your delusions should be treated before you do something stupid. You
are sick with propaganda. You should see a cult specialist.
FauxHunter @gahanson
I will take you at your word and I am pleased to see you are against political
pandering and decisive political speech. That is a Good Thing.
I look forward to your many future posts in which (since you state perceive the
"wrongness" of political vitriol and politically motivated grandstanding) you
will be willing to call out the Right and their pundits as well as those on the
Whoever Indulges in such political abuses for selfish reasons
I personally will be watching you Put In Action what you have just
preached....that would be a Good Thing!
ittybittykitty Fail.
redsunriseman1 Oh look the speaker/weeper of the house couldn't break away from
his cocktail party to honor the deaths of free thinking American's or a fellow
Congresswoman ! I guess unless your sending him money our death are meaningless
,sorry boner 9 year olds can't contribute to your campaine especially when they
have been excutited by a gun nut ; typical Republican only concern with whats
good for them and screw all other Americans . At least the President has never
complained that he was being picked on like your darling of the rodio Sarah
Palin who loves to throw mud but get a little back ,and she runs and crys like
the brat she is .Also at least Obama knows how to honor the death of innocent
Americans ,and not make it about him like Palin did ,but about the trajic lost
of innocence !
Lilli917 Did you miss the fact that the evening was planned by the U of A? The
Tshirts were U of A shirts and I doubt that Obama came early and passed them out
himself! I thought the President seemed somewhat taken aback at the cheering
himself. But then, if you want to spew your own hatred, have at it!
rightofrush Osabama said there was plenty of time to campaign in 2012. Then why
is he campaigning still from 2007? The speech was all political show. Nothing
the nation does not all ready know. Incompetent, lack of experience and more bs.
Margot707 There wasn't ONE political statement in the entire eulogy. Some of you
characters are unbelievable in your abject hatred. If Obama said , "Gee, I see
it's raining outside," while you stood there trying to stay dry under your
umbrella, you'd swear the sky is clear and the sun is shining.
rightofrush Margot: got to read between the lines, associate what was said with
current politics.
jerichothedrifter No, I'll leave that up to you. Don't forget to check under all
the rocks for conspiracies, too.
FauxHunter rush
does it ever dawn on you if you have to "make it up" your only imagining it??
estcruzer Paranoid, much???
newswoman Rightofrush! "There is none so blind as he who will not see".
sangha774 rightofrush:
You don't disappoint. You comment was expected and its contribution was 0. :)
Nitebird33 The President's speech was NOT campaigning. He didn't choose the
venue or the attendees, with the exception of a few administration guests. What
an ignorant comment.
rightofrush Did Osabama give an eulogy speech at the Biden funeral?
A pompous entourage for a eulogy, like any of them really were there for other
than politics.
And lets remind all, when the Osabama is out of office, he will revert/become a
member of the muslim religion.
HappyLib Your hate is nauseating. You must have a horrible, lonely life. I bet
you are a 30-something white guy, never been married, little female interest in
you, focused on computers and gaming, obsessed with Savage and Beck, FOX "new"
on a small tv at all times in mom's basement, works in some kind of manual labor
like a mechanic of some sort, very sickly, high school graduate with one or two
stabs at community college, unable to get educated because each failure is
blamed on liberals. You are easily veered toward scapegoating large groups of
people for each and every failure in your life, which there are many and you are
on at least one depression medication......spooky how well I know you, huh?
TOMMcG Pal you are a sicko. And you are stupid too.
jerichothedrifter HappyLib, don't insult mechanics that way.
FauxHunter rush
please expound and clarify?
pacifistgunslinger I sure hope you don't own a Glock.
redsunriseman1 Give it a rest Lindbaugh Jr. your not selling your garbage here !
This comment has been removed by The Daily Beast's editors.
Apaw-1 Obama turned what should have been a solemn memorial into a raucous
political peppy rally which is the only thing he's good at.
Nitebird33 And how, pray tell, did THE PRESIDENT turn the event into a pep
rally? NOTHING in his speech was political. He didn't organize the event. What a
truly ignorant, and stupid, comment.
sangha774 Apaw:
I pity you.
Earnrespect I agree Apaw-1. And while his mourner inspired campaign was
providing crocodile tears for his addicted followers, he has been very busy
eroding more of our economy into muslim countries> 1) AMMAN - The United States
is giving its longtime Jordanian ally an additional $100 million in economic aid
to help the poor, youth and underprivileged.
The grant is in addition to the $363 million in regular US economic assistance
to Jordan for the fiscal year 2010, bringing the total to $463 million.
2)WASHINGTON - A Lebanese government official says Lebanon's prime minister is
heading to France for consultations on his government's collapse.
Lebanese Prime Minister Saad Hariri met with US President Barack Obama
Wednesday. The official said Obama offered US support.
3)U.S. Keeps Funneling Money To Troubled Afghan Projects McClatchy: For years,
U.S. officials held up Kabul's largest power plant project as a shining example
of how American taxpayers' dollars would pull Afghanistan out of grinding
poverty and decades of demoralizing conflict. But behind the scenes, the same
officials were voicing outrage over the slow pace of the project and its
skyrocketing costs. The problems were so numerous that one company official told
the U.S. government that he'd understand if the contract were canceled. 4)
Pakistan is now getting a "robust" increase to the billions already received, to
'bolster' their security. 5) Yemen - Al Quaida stronghold> US pledges more
economic incentives from Hillary and Barry
The fool in chief knows how to distract attention - whilst continuing to
sabotage and erode our overburdened economy at home in favor of muslim terrorist
Did Obama express any condolence - any help to Australia - a long time ally of
the US - in one of the worst floods globally?
Conclusion> Public 'Crocodile tears' are part and parcel of the Pelosi "Swamp
cleaning" strategy, but carefully omit slimebags and frauds like Rangel, who
"forgot to pay his taxes for 17 years".
As best as I try - I cannot remember the blockbuster "Obama" speech for the
troops murdered in Fort Hood by Major Nidal Hasan - or justice for their
Hypocricy is a bitch.
Ronin58 Earnrespect
Some good points to argue here. I didn't know about the power plant issue.
I agree..disaster in Brisbane has met with some very unfortunate silence.
My question ...what value is added by the use of phrases like :
" fool in chief" (sic) " Pelosi Swamp Cleaning Strategy" " hypocricy(sic) is a
bitch " ? Was your purpose to engage in a dialogue or let people know how you
felt ?
It's ok either way ...it seems to me though that you are just taunting a
similarly raging person to come back and tell you that you're a ( insert insult
here) ...
I think that you might want to go and do a bit more research on Hariri and the
Lebanon situation...Hariri is the son of the former pro-peace pro-western
Lebanese Pres. who was murdered by Hizbollah ...he is an ally of the US and a
potential resource for a peaceful MidEast ...he is up against it big
time...perhaps our strategic support to him has merit at this juncture.
I think you have some interesting things to discuss, but if anger is your
starting point it doesn't leave much of a window for anyone to reply with
anything but " you're wrong " .
Also...typo's are a given on the site...but hypocrisy should be double- checked
if it's going to be your sign off note.
redsunriseman1 have your every give a though that after all the tears day after
day after the deaths of those innocent people ,that the community Needed a Pep
Rally to come together as a whole pepole of Az not be divided into R's , and D's
, that they needed to feel united again instead of divided or are you so stuck
in we are right your are wrong that you've lost all sense of humanity ?
wmjilad56 As a parent who has lost his only daughter, I say you people disgust
me. This is not about you!!!!!
Carole65 wmjilad56.........As a parent and grandparent, I know of nothing worse
than losing a child. My sincerest sympathy in the loss of your daughter to you
and your family.
FauxHunter Well put wmj
IKEpod Americans, I do not understand you... you elect a good man as president,
and then after he fails to do MIRACLES, your disloyalty is amazing us,
especially since everyone knows that the opposition exploited the situation on
the expense of all hard-working Americans only to be back in power... they did
NOTHING to help only uttered the second shortest word in your dictionary... NO!
The GOP-NETWORK, and everyone else on the right, which, in Europe would be
considered a racist, hypocrite bunch, which with its combined stupidity and
ignorance drove the Cadillac into the ditch in the first place, almost brought
your country and the world to its knees. And you put THEM back into power, these
lying opportunists!
YOUR president restored the image of America in the world... and we do need each
other. Barrack Hussein Obama is a good man and a good president, if you'll only
let him do his job. Remember: NOBODY IS PERFECT! For over 50 years American
politics has punished Cuban Communists and the Cubans with an ongoing embargo...
funny! Do American politicians forget that CHINA IS INDEED a COMMUNIST
DICTATORSHIP. Why not boycott them??? Don't crawl up their behinds, just because
they finance your recovery... or do they? Actually they do not believe in WIN-
WIN situations... so, Good Luck!
FauxHunter thanks for that!
I agree we needed a pres who would be a partner in the world not some self-
righteous bully who didn't play well with others and dragged our reputation into
the gutter.
greyfoxx IKEpod:
There is enough blame to go around on both sides for the economic mess we are
in. But, no one (in they're right mind) can say that Obama has done anything but
exacerbate the financial crisis. If (literally) bowing down to dictators
restores an image, who needs it.
Obama's perfection, or lack of it, is not the issue, it's his socialist, indeed
communist agenda, his detain for America and his policies that are the problem.
I want every Obama policy to fail. Because when that happens, America succeeds.
I think Obama is probably a nice guy, but he is an awful president.
(By the way - we can't "boycott" China. They own our debt, in large part, thanks
to Obama) (I do agree with you about Cuba. They have the best music in the world
down there)
newswoman Greyfox, you are an idiot. Bush put us in hock to China to fund his
two wars. Obama had nothing to do with this. You need a history lesson and fast.
redsunriseman1 here the proof we were in free fall , and now we are not , we
would have lost our industral base , and now we are not , we were hated by the
whole free world , and not we are not ,we were killing our own by deigning them
health insurance , and now we are not , we were screwing over women in their
paychecks and now we are not , we were acting like a tyrant, and now we are not
. Our Goverment was snaching up American's to whisk them off to be waterboarded
in foriegn lands, now we are not . All your President Bush did was ruin our
reputation, the world economey along with ours , kill thousands of men and women
for all Nations in a false War , and made a mockery of the Constitution world
wide. So concidering the fool you saddled us with the last 8 years We'll take
Obama ,and never look back as your sorry excuse of a adminstration !
pacifistgunslinger Of course you can boycott Chinese products, but you won't
because of your Walmart addiction. Face it, you hate America. You are the commie
you're complaining about.
Couple of questions for you ,if it's ok :
1. From your perspective then someone who disagrees with you on the point that
Obama has done nothing but exacerbate the financial crisis is not in their right
mind ? If a number of articles from such periodicals as the Financial Times, The
Economist, Forbes, Fortune, or a number of whitepapers published by various
business schools were provided to you that argued from a different perspective
(they do exist) from your own , would they then qualify as being of unsound mind
2. I am curious about the "bowing down to dictators" to which you refer. Can you
specifically identify which dictators and in what manner that the President
bowed down to them ? Two examples would work just fine for me.
3. Can you identify specifically what Obama's "communist" agenda is ? Do you
think he has plans for the imposition of a dictatorship of the proletariat , and
the confiscation of private holdings putting the means of production into the
hands of the workers ? Is there any information about his efforts to
collectivize agriculture ?
4. Can you be more specific about examples of Obama's "disdain " for America ?
In what way are his policies an expression of "disdain" ?
I am not making a case that you are wrong about any of these things .
I am making a case that you have given very little thought to the impact of what
you are asserting without evidence , and that by doing so you have invited a
cycle of contempt and vituperative retorts from similarly angry but oppositely
charged posters.
Perhaps that is your purpose . If so it would seem you have accomplished it.
And you have given your "liberal" opponents a pinata to bash .
There is no shortage of your opposite numbers as equally doctrinaire.
I urge you to consider a visit to your local library after googling a
bibliography on 20th Century Political History.
redsunriseman1 Thank you for being so right on that post dito !
pacifistgunslinger Teabaggers hate Communists but spend all their money
supporting a commie regime. That is typical teabagging.
isabella IKEpod
If the GOP is considered racist in Europe it must be because you believe lies
fed to you by progressive/aka socialist sympathizing media who hate Republicans
and have fought them since Obama's election by calling "racist" anyone who
opposes Obamas socialist-democrat or just plain socialist policies...the
policies of redistribution that President Obama is trying to impose on an
unwilling American population.
Americans are no more racist than the French, Germans, British or Australian. I
have lived in the UK, Australia and the US and spent a lot of time in Europe.
People I know and even those I meet casually while traveling in Europe, would
not agree with you.
lennon2010 I guess there is a new definition for "memorial" in new Obamaland
speak. Crazy me, I expecting beautiful music, inspiring words and got t-shirts,
campaign style programs and souvenir stands, campaign speech along with
ObamaGod-walking thru the door and the congresswomen "opened her eyes" . Quite
frankly, libs, you have all really out-done yourselves this week. I'm sure that
kind of hysterical, crazy, is hard to maintain, so feel free to give the nation
a break.
Nitebird33 There were beautiful words eulogizing the victims. There was
beautiful music. Show me where the President was responsible for the t-
shirts...and, what souvenir stands? Do you have the capability to give a fair
critique? Who said he "walked in the door and she opened her eyes"? He only said
that she had opened her eyes that afternoon. If you have to embellish the
situation with your hate, at least get it correct.
RobbyS The T-shirts were a clue-less touch. Too much focus on the President. (Is
this the start of his comeback? etc).too little on the victims. But on thing
struck me, given that the speech was good: the language is not especially
Nitebird33 Robby...I agree that the T-shirts were lame. Although the language
might not be memorable, the victims will. That's all that matters.
marygard Robby- Capitalism at it's best.
Lilli917 The t shirts were from the University of Arizona, who planned the
event. I find it surprising that some of you insist it was a political event for
Obama. U of A was the place that refused to give Obama an honorary doctorate
when he spoke at their graduation. The only president that has been so treated.
Arizona is a pretty Republican state, but if you think it was a political rally
I wouldn't want to mess with your mind!
jerichothedrifter Lennon, do you get punched in the head very often? If not, you
Noontime1 lennon2010: Really? Thats some serious hatred there. Great comments,
you did well by your little "team." And thats all that really counts here,
Ronin58 lennon 2010
No problem with your animus with the President . Your pov.
No problem with your antipathy to all "libs" etc. Your pov.
Big problem with your subsitution of anger for argument .
Here is a post from someone who has a contempt for "liberal crazies" that surely
matches your own . He also is outspoken in the disgust he shares with you , and
he has a strong set of conservative principles that he puts his back into as
well as his thoughts :
"'Obama's speech specifically targeted people like the posters here who used
this tragedy to attack their political opponents. Good for him. Now, let's see
how his followers take his message to heart."
He is skeptical without having a vested interest in having it look a certain
way. Maybe it will get better.That's what he wants.
The question from my perspective is this ...do people use this commentary page
to vent or to discuss ?
The folks who shout "christer reich" or " paid shill for the right" vs the "
Osamabama crypto-marxist muslim " seem to be venting ...maybe that's a good
thing for it keeps their rage deflected from a more harmful expression. On the
other hand it might be fueling more rage.
Your choice ... make a contribution to the conversation or just vent your
I hope you choose the first option. Hell, it might be more fun , and someone
might actually walk away with something useful from what you said.
It could happen .
Hope you didn't mind my citing you as a "positive" example; I think you're more
used to being vilified .
redsunriseman1 Well your right on one count we do use this forum to vent
otherwise we'd be a kettle ready to boil over , it sickens me when conservatives
mix racial hatred into the same pot they mix their conservative views, What dose
keeping spending down to a reasonable amount have to do with Muslims, or what
dose keeping a spitural awareness have to do with hating a mans skin color, what
dose fical responsible have to do with putting down the 1st Lady for trying to
encourage healthy foods my mom did the same didn't yours ? My problem with the
new Conservative is that they need to seprate the haters from the real
politicans who want to change American for the better not repeat it's bad
history .
newswoman Lennon, they played Aaron Copeland's "Fanfare to the Common Man"
before the President spoke. Weren't you listening? That WAS beautiful music!
This speech was held in a college stadium and the President was not responsible
for t-shirts, etc. Come on, grow up, and realize you don't see the truth, but
make up your own. You don't even recognize inspiring words or beautiful music.
So sad.
pacifistgunslinger Get back in your Mission Accomplished bunker.
redsunriseman1 Hey the University put on the show not the Whitehouse so get your
facts straight before you start crying like a little girl .