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Aegrum - Friday, June 21, 2013 - linkGreat article - I'm really happy to see some benches from these behemoth systems.
I will say, though, comparing a $150 APU to a $400 CPU isn't exactly a fair assessment. I'd rather see the GX60 compared to a system in its price range, something with a GTX770m or GTX765m on board, like an MSI GE60 or Sager NP8230. Reply
JarredWalton - Friday, June 21, 2013 - linkSee concluding comments on pricing. I know it's not "fair", but however you slice it the MSI GX60 isn't delivering on all fronts as a gaming notebook -- unless games like StarCraft II and Skyrim simply don't matter? Reply
Samus - Saturday, June 22, 2013 - linkAMD driver issues? Shocking. Reply
huaxshin - Saturday, June 22, 2013 - linkTry to be more precise Jarred:
Its not the notebook that isn`t delivering, its the 4600M APU. Reply
JarredWalton - Saturday, June 22, 2013 - linkLet's see...MSI has performance issues on their Dragon laptop. This AMD system is also from MSI. Could there be a correlation? I would say yes. Trinity isn't blazing fast by any means, but in single-threaded performance it's usually no worse than half the speed of single-threaded Core i7. We're seeing cases where it's much less than that, which suggests drivers, platform, and/or laptop are also a factor. My guess is Enduro requires more CPU performance than discrete-only, and it would potentially dirty some of the cache thus making misses more common and thus reducing performance more on some platforms than others. Reply
huaxshin - Saturday, June 22, 2013 - linkDragon Edition 2 review: Cooling problems > hot temperatures > throttling > CPU performance go down > CPU bottleneck > GPU performance go down > Poor gaming performance
GX60: Good cooling
GX60 saw NO CPU throttling nor high temperatures. Since the high end GPUs require a high end CPU, and A10-4600M score half of the 3610QM in single and 1/4th in Multi Cinebench, you don`t have to be a genious to understand that the APU is just too weak. Heck, even look at the lowest end i5, 3210M and its over 50% better in Multi.
I have seen what you guys are trying to do. You are trying to blame MSI for it. Like they can control the very poor APU performance. They are the only OEM that pair up the high end GPU with AMD APU. The notebook is pretty cheap, but its a gamble: it can outrun the GTX 660M in some games, while its the other way around in other. Reply
Dustin Sklavos - Saturday, June 22, 2013 - linkAre you seriously still here? Reply
huaxshin - Saturday, June 22, 2013 - linkYes because you two cannot answer critique and I am able to see right through your recent reviews.
Since the PSU is 180W, the cooling is way overbuilt for the APU since it is the exact same design that house hotter Intel CPUs, I am looking for an answer from one of you two about what caused the 7970M performance in the GX60 to go down when it is not the APU itself.
Jarred blame MSI, which is laughable, since all MSI does is include support through BIOS, make sure the cooling is efficient and make sure the components get all the power.
Drivers? AMD make them
Platform? AMD
Laptop? Please enlight us what exactly is wrong with the laptop. I think I covered pretty much everything
Enduro? Perhaps it can count for -some- of the performance decrease. But not 50% decrease or whatever it is. Once again you two cannot look past the fact that the i7 with 7970M and Enduro does far better than 4600M and 7970M with Enduro. That means, the APU is weak... Reply
JarredWalton - Saturday, June 22, 2013 - link"They are the only OEM that pair [sic] up the high end GPU with AMD APU." Exactly. Why do you think that is? If MSI is selling a laptop which performs far worse than most would expect, that is their problem. If Dell were to make a notebook and stick in an Atom CPU with a high-end GPU, it's not Intel's fault that Dell made a bad design decision.
It's nice of MSI to try selling a less expensive gaming laptop, but they should know as well as anyone whether the APU is sufficient to handle the task at hand. And yet, they started shipping the GX60 and now there's an updated version. I blame AMD plenty for their drivers, but MSI does not get off scott free for creating the design in the first place, especially if it doesn't work well.
I am going to see about simulating performance of the 7970M and A10-4600M on the desktop side, using a 7870 and A10-5800K and then underclocking both to the same level as the MSI GX60 is running at. That will remove Enduro from the equation in the process, and I can almost guarantee that performance will be far better than what we're seeing on the GX60. However, that doesn't mean it's only Enduro -- look at the M17x and how the Enduro penalty tapers off at higher resolutions and settings. That's not happening with GX60. And even under gaming loads the CPU cores are at less than 75%, so there's a whole core sitting idle somewhere.
Is it really just a case of the APU and Enduro using so much CPU computational power than performance falls flat, or is it something else like issues with the firmware and BIOS coming into play? The latest BIOS from MSI for the GX60 improved performance by as much as 10%, so there could be a lot of room left for improvement. Even if the problem is completely with AMD's APU performance, again, go back to point number one: if you sell a system that has a poorly matched CPU and GPU, it is your fault as the system manufacturer, because you put the two together.
As for you and your fanboy rantings, you're not helping anything here. Your comments on the NVIDIA GTX 780M article were worthless, as you tried to absolve both NVIDIA and MSI from responsibility. Well, NVIDIA isn't to blame for MSI's bad QA, certainly. And if it's just a bad sample from MSI, sent to a review site that gets major traffic? Shame on MSI yet again. I actually have an MSI GE40 that's mostly good and doesn't have any real issues other than an outdated industrial design and a crappy LCD, which means yet again that it misses the mark. Who do I blame next time, the LCD manufacturer for daring to sell a low contrast LCD? Reply
vlad42 - Sunday, June 23, 2013 - linkHey Jarred,
I was actual going to recommend simulating the A10-4600m and HD 7970m in discrete mode, but I get you beat me to it.
Also, I would recommend contacting AMD's driver team and share these results with them. It is quite possible that they are unaware of the performance issues that the HD 7970m has in Enduro mode on sub-1080p resolutions (similar to how they were unaware of the micro stuttering issues with their cards). If you think about it, AMD might simply be assuming that any laptop that would have an HD 7970m would also have at least a 1080p display. Thus, they might only be testing Enduro's performance at 1080p, which, incidentally, is where you found that the performance difference between Enduro and discrete modes on the Alienware M17x R4 was only about 3%.
You might even want to suggest fixing the Enduro performance problems because the ultra high resolution laptops/displays that are coming out, such as Samsung's ATIV Book 9 with 3200x1800 display, will likely cause gamers to run games at ¼ the native resolution of the display (in the case of the ATIV Book 9 that would be 1600x900) due to how hard it is for any desktop gpu to drive these kinds of resolutions. While you are in contact with them (assuming you do contact them of course) you could try to get an update regarding the DX 9 rendering fix. Reply
huaxshin - Monday, June 24, 2013 - linkOnce again you guys at Anandtech come out as pretty clueless about the mobile hardware.
First of all, thank you for confirming that its the APU that is the real culprint in the sometime bad performance in the GX60 system. That was all I wanted.
However what you are trying to do next, BLAME an OEM for this is just pathetic. You`re not seeing the big picture in this at all. Yes the GX60 may sometimes be as low as a system with i7 and a GTX 660M. But I can name many games where the 7970M+APU is miles ahead of the GTX 660M: Far Cry 3, Hitman, Black Ops 2, Sleeping Dogs, DarkSiders 2, World of Tanks etc.
MSI offer the GX60 way lower than a system with GTX 680M+i7. In fact its pretty much priced to where a GTX 660M is. So for those who are informed, its a no brainer to pick the GX60 system there. Now, you may be excused to not know this since you have never put 660M and GX60 against each other, but please try to be a little more humble next time.
Its quite sad that you attack MSI for being the only OEM to offer a cheap notebook with a performance like this. They should be rewarded, not criticized.
And please don`t dig yourself further down by calling people a fanboy. As a reviewer who post news and reviews on this site, you should know better than that. I thoroughly enjoy all your articles about new technology and how they work, and you guys are one of the leaders here, among the hundreds of reviewer sites. I own both Asus, MSI and Alienware notebooks thank you, so I`m no fanboy. I just react when I see reviews that are based on faulty devices, represented as the truth, when you and me both know that you guys recieved a melon from MSI. Is MSI at fault here for not doing better quality control on the paste job? Absolutely. But don`t write a review representing that as something that is perfectly normal. Anyone knows that 98C on the CPU is very wrong, even in one of those cramped up systems that is extremely thin that features a GTX GPU.
I had a pretty bad paste job on my GT70 too. In my GT70 they went pretty overboard with the pasting on the GTX 680M. :P http://i.imgur.com/JeDyF.jpg
But repasting it was a 5 minute job.) Reply
APassingMe - Monday, June 24, 2013 - linkI think the point being made here is that users are assuming that they will get the full benefit of the higher end gpu while in actuality they won't as a side affect of the cpu platform.
And the actual issue is that MSI should be open about this or they should drop a lower end gpu in the laptop that is paired for the slower cpu speeds and reduce the end user's price while providing similar performance or they should offer a recommended cpu upgrade to remove/lessen the bottleneck while keeping the consumer informed...
Disclaimer... I am to some degree a fan of MSI, mainly due to their pricing so.... please take this as it is. Reply
Bob Todd - Monday, June 24, 2013 - linkPretty succinct summary. The GX60 basically needs a big sticker on the box that says "If you aren't GPU bound you are screwed!" The price point is great for a 7970m. However I think I'd rather take a chance of SLI not working for a particular game until drivers catch up with the Lenovo Y500 (IVB quad) for the same money, rather than worry about CPU potentially bottlenecking me in every single game. I won't even get into the horrendous abortion of design and material choices that MSI brings to the table with every laptop. When even Acer is cranking out nicer designs than you, something has gone horribly wrong. Reply
JarredWalton - Monday, June 24, 2013 - linkSorry, but you're clearly the one that's clueless. No one is talking about i7+680M levels of performance here; I have numbers and the GX60 loses to the GE40 in many performance tests. Where it doesn't lose we're already often at non-playable frame rates (<30). Bioshock and Tomb Raider are the best showings for the GX60, and both are known for being very light on the CPU. Sleeping Dogs is marginally faster (32FPS vs. 26FPS), but at our High settings the GE40 ends up being nearly twice as fast. StarCraft II and Skyrim basically don't reach playable frame rates on the GX60, but on the GE40 at our max detail settings we get 42FPS and 44FPS (vs. 25 and 24FPS). So sure, any game that only requires GPU and hardly touches the APU may do well enough, but that's not exactly a large market.
What's more damning to MSI is that the GX60 can't run four of our seven games at High settings at more than 40FPS (which is really what we want, as 30FPS average means dips into the low 20s and even teens), and at our Ultra settings it doesn't average more than 40FPS in a single title that we tested. The same GPU in the M17x only fails to break 40FPS at our max settings in two games: Metro: Last Light and Tomb Raider (and it's very close in TR).
On the other hand, thanks for confirming that you own an MSI laptop and apparently anyone dissing the company needs to be taken to task by you. Care to take pictures of your ASUS, MSI, and Alienware laptops all next to each other? The only one digging holes here is you, and you still don't understand that MSI's GX60 is not a good pairing of CPU/APU and dGPU. Funny that you seem to think a bunch of games run better on the GX60 than on other comparably priced alternatives, but to show that you turn to... GTX 660M, which really isn't worthy of the GTX name and we've said as much.
It's not that we received one melon from MSI, it's that they have a habit of delivering questionable hardware/designs on their laptops. Every single one has at least a few red flags for me -- keyboard, build quality, cooling, LCD, styling, etc. Even if the GT70 were performing up to par, the design is still woefully outdated. The fact that they ship out lemons to reviewers on the other hand is enough to sully their QA department to the point where we are far more comfortable recommending people not buy the GT70 from them. Reply
JarredWalton - Monday, June 24, 2013 - linkBy the way, Cloudfire from the NotebookReview forums, it's nice of you to criticize our review and suggest others do the same when you actually own a GT70 with Ivy Bridge and GTX 680M. Hmmmm.... Way to try and start something when you don't actually have any personal experience with the product. But hey, feel free to reapply thermal paste to your CPU/GPU in your notebook every six months, because that's what everyone should do!
I've taken the time to look around and see what I can find on comparable gaming tests for the Haswell GT70 Dragon Edition. Oddly enough, I can't find anyone that has results that are directly in contrast to our review. One site has WoW Ultra figures with the Haswell system, and an M17x R4 with GTX 680M beats it by 40% at 1080p. They also measured 38.7 using the Tomb Raider Ultimate 1080p setting, which is actually WORSE than our result (which was already lower than GTX 680M). http://www.laptopmag.com/reviews/laptops/msi-gt70-...
Even Engadget, which isn't known for digging into performance all that much, has at least some numbers that go along with our results. Skyrim at 75FPS is still slower than the 77FPS we got with 680M, and our test in Skyrim tends to be far more demanding than what most others use (since it's FRAPS-based). http://www.engadget.com/2013/06/01/msi-gt70-dragon... Another site shows 58FPS in GRID 2 as well, thought potentially at 8xMSAA that might be part of the bottleneck.
And beyond those sites, I'm failing to find any real reviews of the Haswell GT70 Dragon right now. So you tell me, Cloudfire: is our unit truly a lemon, or did MSI screw up and not account for differences in cooling requirements from Haswell? Or maybe it's just BIOS and firmware stuff again. Whatever the case, I have no doubt that other GTX 780M notebooks will perform better, but without BIOS updates (or tearing it apart to apply better thermal grease and maybe put in a higher power fan?) I will be surprised to see the GT70 actually reach its full performance potential. Reply
huaxshin - Monday, June 24, 2013 - linkThere so many things here to respond to, which are plain wrong.
Seriously stop quoting laptopmag and engadget. They dont offer any real analysis in any of their reviews other than scratching the surface.
Like I said many times now JarredWalton, go read the GT70 review on NotebookCheck. Its the -exact- same notebook as you "reviewed", with the exact same hardware.
They found zero performace issues with the CPU or the GPU compared to their GTX 780M review. They had MAX 92C on the CPU when running Furnark, far more demanding than the 3 hour gaming test you guys did. Yet it ran cooler.
So their review is in direct contrast to your review which couldn't be further from the truth. Notebookcheck found NO game where the GTX 680M beat GTX 780M.
This is exactly why Im saying you should try to act a little more humble when critique is presented. Your review is just wrong.
I see you have been visiting my profile at NBR. I see you read my recent tip about repasting. Any real gaming enthusiast knows that a repasting every 6 months along with blowing out the dust is only good for your system. Thats a given no matter what system you own. So yeah, since you didnt know: that is what everyone should do ;)
And yes I compared a system with GTX 660M against GX60. Because in average over 18 games from the GX60 review on Notebookcheck, those two systems actually perfom equally. Price wise they should also be compared because there are no system with higher end that is as cheap as the GX60. Which is what the notebook is all about: performance/price.
Go read the review Jarred. Don't look at 900p with high settings where the CPU is more at play. Look at the 1080p with settings vramped up. There you will see that its a good choice to pick GX60 ahead of a system with GTX 660M or pick GX60 instead of a higher end GPU since the GX60 is cheap and it will shine in the games I mentioned earlier. Reply
huaxshin - Monday, June 24, 2013 - link@JarredWalton:
You should keep an eye out for the recent thread "calling all GT70 OD owners" on the MSI subforum. Hopefully we will see some data there from real owners soon ;)
I cant link to the thread here but since you apparantly like to stalk me, Im sure you will find it Reply
JarredWalton - Monday, June 24, 2013 - linkSure, they're using the "exact same notebook", except it was done with the non-Dragon version, which means likely a different assembly line (optimized to just produce that one SKU), possibly a different BIOS, possibly different thermal paste.... The reality is that we don't know exactly what they tested vs. what we tested, but go ahead and assume all you want since you're good at that. We know the MSI GT70 Dragon we tested performed poorly, and the only two other sites I can find that definitely tested the new Dragon Haswell model corroborate at least some of our results. But you discount Engadget because "they don't do any real analysis" -- how hard is it to run the built-in benchmark from GRID 2 at Ultra settings?
You might want to grab a dictionary. A stalker is someone that harasses or persecutes someone with unwanted and obsessive attention. I work for AnandTech, so I "live" here while you're coming here as a guest and obsessing over a review that was not favorable. Why wasn't it favorable? Because the CPU throttled and killed performance. It doesn't really matter what the precise cause of that problem is; the fact it that it happened, and that's not acceptable, and we said as much in the review.
In response, you created a new user account to post inflammatory comments, and you have posted about 20 comments in two articles all of a similar nature, not to mention asking others to come to your aid and add to the harassment. (What was wrong with the Cloudfire or Cloudfire777 names?) Anyway, sorry to tell you but you're the perfect description of a troll and an online stalker.
As for your quest to prove us "wrong", so far you've got one person saying, "I applied better thermal paste and it helped temperatures." That basically just confirms that MSI is not testing/QA'ing their products well, or they would have switched internally already. Tell you what, though: let me pay you a flat fee for reviewing a product, then tell you to go back and put on new thermal paste and retest everything without getting paid any extra. Sound like a good deal for Dustin to do the QA for notebooks, or shall we just take what they send and see how it performs?
Now, to try to feel better about yourself, you again bring up GTX 660M. That's just a GK107 part at slightly higher clocks, and no one really cares. GTX 760M is a completely different beast and you can get that for $100 more than the GX60. It's only faster in two games at Ultra settings, but the GX60 only handles about half of the games at Ultra settings to begin with. So you drop down to High settings and the GE40 is faster in four of the seven games and tied in one. But then there's also the GE60 that has the same size LCD and a GTX 765M for the same $1200. 765M is clocked almost 30% higher on the cores, meaning the performance difference is likely to be even more in favor of the NVIDIA card. That's of course assuming none of these parts have crappy thermal paste I suppose.
So far, I think we can agree that:
1) The GX60 is only good for certain games, because of APU/driver/Enduro/other bottlenecks.
2) The GT70 Dragon (Haswell + 780M) appears to have a bad factory thermal paste application.
3) Build quality and design on both of the above laptops is, at best, lacking.
4) We wouldn't recommend either laptop without serious qualifiers (e.g. be willing to replace thermal paste on the GT70 -- hey, it's only a $2800 notebook; what did you expect?)
Did I miss anything in that summary? Is any of the above not made clear in the text of the articles? Reply
huaxshin - Tuesday, June 25, 2013 - linkNow we are getting somewhere.
1. Time to stop with the silly excuses. The only reason why GX60 doesn`t perform, is because of the APU. Enduro only counts for maybe 5% like you posted in this review. Not 34% less than 7970M systems. That is as clear as the sun, and this is what I have been trying to drag out of you from the moment this discussion began. Its not the notebook or silly things like drivers, because ANY notebook with 4600M and 7970M would have acted equally poorly.
2. YOUR GT70 Dragon have bad paste. I can`t comment on the other ones since I haven`t seen any other good tests with temperature measurements on the CPU or GPU. Just a IR meter measurement on the top of the keyboard and thats it. Like I said, just scratched the surface.
3. Build Quality is at best lacking? Lets see here: Dynaudio, best speakers on the market for notebooks. Semi mechanical keyboard with way better feedback than the majority of keyboards out there. Raid0 card that can take 3 mSATA SSDs and Raid them together. Only OEM that offer it. Programmable fan speed through access editing the firmware. Again, pretty much the only OEM that have this opportunity. Aluminum on lid and palm rest, while most OEMs have plastic fantastic. Again, its sad to see you guys jump on MSI just because you recieved one notebook with bad paste job.
4. GT70 is $1999 thank you. And why do you assume ALL GT70 have bad paste job Notebookcheck didn`t. Sweclockers didnt...
Additional point:
5. The cooling system inside your Dragon Editon is identical with the one Notebookcheck used. Same amount of heatsinks, same heat pipes, both have heatsink between CPU and GPU.
So what does that mean when Notebookcheck got much better temperatures than you guys?
They didn`t get a lemon with bad paste job.
There is no point trying to find excuses. Thats the only explanation.
6. So you guys wouldn`t redo the review because you aren`t paid enough? I crave for technology like this. I wouldn`t mind to redo a few benchmarks with a new paste job. The repaste itself takes like 5 minutes to do. You wouldn`t have to redo all the game tests either, you could have just done the 3 hour gaming session, logged the temperature, and if it was better, edited the review you posted. Reply
JarredWalton - Tuesday, June 25, 2013 - linkBuild quality is different than features. Three mSATA drives in RAID 0? Why? A single good SSD is better in most cases, or if you need more performance than do RAID 0 of two drives and use M.2, not the now-deprecated mSATA. This is purely marketing gee-whiz stuff. Programmable fan controller is something every system has, but they don't expose it to the end users in most cases. If the cooling works properly, there's no need to do so. Aluminum veneers on the palm rests is not the same as a solid non-plastic construction, and black aluminum is getting old -- it shows fingerprints and grease far too much. Straight silver (like the ASUS UX series or Apple) is so much better long-term.
Now, I don't think Clevo units are built all that well, but they're comparable in most regards to the MSI. The Alienware M17x on the other hand is definitely built better -- not necessarily perfect by any means, but I do prefer it. Not sure if the new 17 is any different -- I would change the display hinge at the very least, and give it a matte panel. And please no touchscreens! Ugh... fingerprints on 17" displays suck to clean off. But I digress....
You're still missing the point on the thermal paste/testing. Just because all of the components are the same in the various new GT70 models doesn't mean they all come off the same assembly line. The Dragon SKU is likely a special line where there are no custom options: it's all the same parts, every time. Maybe the problem is in that particular line, and they don't apply the TIM properly. The $2000 models don't have all the extras that the Dragon has, so basically they have unused expansion options for the future.
We are going to see if we can get a second unit for retesting (or if Dustin still has this one, either he or I will investigate the TIM question). If problems persist, then we will definitely request a new notebook.
Finally, regarding the Enduro question, it's obvious that there's some overhead with Enduro, and very possibly it's CPU overhead as well as other aspects. The drivers have to do more work to transfer frames to the iGPU framebuffer, if nothing else. Just because the M17x doesn't have lower Enduro performance at max detail settings doesn't mean the same is true of the GX60. We are going to see about simulating the A10-4600M at 2.7GHz with an 850MHz/4800MHz HD 7870 desktop setup, which will remove Enduro from the equation. Want to make a wager that performance is at least 20% higher than on the GX60? It won't be happening today or tomorrow, as we need to get all the proper parts with one reviewer, but we'll be investigating this in the future. Reply
kogunniyi - Saturday, June 22, 2013 - linkThe question of liability is not that simple.
I assume that most people who buy the GX60 expect a CPU bottleneck within certain limits. Imagine that the A10-4600m cuts performance in half for every application. If the 7970m is performing at 10% of its potential, the APU is probably not the only problem. Even Enduro does not account for such a performance hit. Most people would define "getting money's worth" as taking the 50% hit in every game. In the case given, they are not getting their money's worth, and the locked-down overclocking does not help.
On the other hand, MSI does not advertise a certain performance. You could argue that the benchmarks it posted for the GX60 are misleading, but that's marketing fluff and should not be taken seriously. Because MSI does not promise anything, it isn't legally responsible, but it can be held ethically accountable: the very act of offering the APU + 7970m suggests that it is a stable and consistent platform. I assume that Jarred simply wants to tell readers that the MSI GX60 may not perform up to standard. Reply
kallogan - Friday, June 21, 2013 - link7970M is da best considering its lower price. I didn't think the A10 would be such a bottleneck even at 1080p. Reply
Wreckage - Friday, June 21, 2013 - linkWaste of money. Lower price because of lower quality. Reply
Xinn3r - Saturday, June 22, 2013 - link+1
You can't get away with low quality just by lowering your price Reply
Meaker10 - Friday, June 21, 2013 - link2.7ghz is the maximum turbo speed for more than 2 threads on the 4600M APU. 3.2ghz is mostly for single thread only. Reply
JarredWalton - Friday, June 21, 2013 - linkTrue. I guess I was expecting some of the games to not hit the second thread hard enough to trigger that limit. Let me edit text a bit.... Reply
Meaker10 - Friday, June 21, 2013 - linkEngineering cpus are unlocked, if amd had allowed overclocking on platforms like the msi and could be run around 3.5ghz performance would be far more acceptable imo. Reply
Khenglish - Saturday, June 22, 2013 - linkYeah I agree. I don't understand why the top end APU is completely locked. AMD is going for performance/cost, and allowing overclocking would have helped that. 2.7ghz is OK for intel, but for AMD's lower IPC it's a problem. They don't even let you overclock trinity's GPU on laptops.
As for the argument that it's to make sure people don't kill their hardware, on the APU laptop I played around with it was possible to disable thermal throttling, thermal shutdown (only possible due to BIOS bug, but still), and the cpu fan though PCI config space options... but overclocking was locked down tight! Reply
Roland00Address - Saturday, June 22, 2013 - linkFurthermore you if you are using more than 2 threads you are using both cores and cmt simultaneously, thus you will use the cmt tax and only get 80% performance. Reply
Bob Todd - Friday, June 21, 2013 - linkWhile the end result for the Enduro drivers on older systems is exactly the weak sauce I expected, I have to say I'm disappointed in how they handled it from a product management perspective. They should have only included systems they absolutely knew they would support (IVB/Trinity), and actually been realistic about previous gen platforms and said something like "We are evaluating the potential for SB/Llano support and we'll have an answer for you in 6 months" (or whatever a realistic timeline would have been). Instead they basically strung along their customers of the older platforms for months with 'a future driver will support your system' pipe dream. Middle finger to you for that one PMs or marketing folks. Who I feel even worse for than Sandy Bridge/(rebadged) 7XXX owners are folks in the same boat with Llano. Those are customers who invested in an ALL AMD solution and these jokers can't even invest in a solution for them? That's bush league AMD. Reply
JarredWalton - Friday, June 21, 2013 - linkActually, there aren't many Llano + dGPU laptops that got sold I don't think, so I imagine people that own SNB + AMD dGPU are a larger audience (think HP Envy 15 owners). I still think it could happen, but it's a question of whether or not AMD even wants to try. Given the continued driver issues with Enduro, I'm guessing not. Reply
Bob Todd - Saturday, June 22, 2013 - linkYeah, unfortunately I'm the Envy 15 owner from the other Enduro articles :). On a side note before I bitch some more, thanks for keeping us updated on the progress of the driver updates. A bit tangential, but I think this issue also highlights one of the many reasons the rebadging done by both AMD and Nvidia is so anti-consumer. I'm a geek and I read sites like Anandtech, and I go look up mobile GPUs on Notebookcheck before purchasing anything to make sure I know what lies beneath some shiny new part number. But only some tiny percentage of consumers will do that. The overwhelming majority will just see "Radeon 7690M" and assume it's a new part, and that it will be supported like a new part (i.e. readily available driver updates). They shouldn't have to scour the web to find out that only 77XX and above parts are actually "new" stuff, and that they are boned for driver updates with anything below that magical line that someone in marketing decided was the right thing to do. It's intentionally deceptive, and I wish they'd both cut that crap out. I'm sure the revenue forecasts from their financial analysts would make them disagree. Reply
billus - Friday, June 21, 2013 - linkAm I the only one who is amazed at how ugly these laptops are? I find it difficult to be enthused about a laptop that looks like it was made from Chinese moss. And I'm the target audience, having paid between $4K and $5K for most of my laptops. Reply
silenceisgolden - Friday, June 21, 2013 - linkThese laptops don't have a target audience, so design really doesn't matter. If these companies wanted their laptops to be bought in any great quantity they would think about design. Reply
Wreckage - Friday, June 21, 2013 - linkAt the end of the day AMD's drivers are still an anchor dragging them down. Reply
transphasic - Saturday, June 22, 2013 - linkThis is not surprising to me, as I had expected this to be the case by now- 9 months later. AMD has, for the gazillionth time, dropped the ball on FIXING Enduro, which they have had all the time in world to do so these last 14 months, but haven't.
It's a pretty safe guess that they never will, and as for me from now on- it's Nvidia all the way, and I am never looking back.
Good-bye AMD... Reply
DigitalFreak - Friday, June 21, 2013 - linkI guess Dell got sick of dealing with the Enduro issues as well. The new Alienware 17 comes with Nvidia cards. :-) Reply
Dustin Sklavos - Friday, June 21, 2013 - linkThe 780M results here are *seriously* not reflective of the 780M's performance, just the crippled MSI GT70. I have my old Alienware M17x R3 being retrofitted with a 780M courtesy of NVIDIA as we speak and should be able to post more realistic 780M performance numbers before the month is out.
On any benchmark graph where the 680M performs faster than the 780M, you can safely assume the 780M is being limited by the GT70 and will perform at *least* as well as the 680M in a Clevo or Alienware chassis. Reply
Meaker10 - Saturday, June 22, 2013 - linkWhen I get my msi gt60 3k edition (2880x1620 ips panel) im going to enjoy showing you what it can really do and how much it will tear your m17x into tiny pieces. ;) Reply
Dustin Sklavos - Saturday, June 22, 2013 - linkHow's your e-peen? Reply
Meaker10 - Sunday, June 23, 2013 - linkEpeen? Still costs less than a standard screen alienware ;) Reply
kogunniyi - Sunday, June 23, 2013 - linkUntil, of course, you realize that you can haggle and get the Alienware for cheaper than a (branded) MSI would ever be. Reply
Meaker10 - Sunday, June 23, 2013 - linkBranded maybe, but not the barebone ;) Reply
manno - Saturday, June 22, 2013 - linkI own an HP dv6t-6b00 which has an AMD 7660/6660 re-brand I'm exactly sure. I just wanted to say thank you so much for posting the info about Leshcat Labs! I just added an SSD to the laptop re-installed Windows 7 and couldn't get the damn thing to work with switchable graphics. You're a life saver, sadly my next laptop will have nVidia or just stock Intel graphics, after looking at how the Intel 4xxx series performs, I'm assuming by the time the 5xxxx comes out and I'm looking for an upgrade it should be enough for what I need. It's sad, some 20 something kid is doing a better job than AMD in supporting their own product. Reply
zifuxyx - Saturday, June 22, 2013 - linkamd的cpu可以安心的去了.......... Reply
JarredWalton - Saturday, June 22, 2013 - link"the amd cpu can feel at ease to go"? Google isn't helping me much there. Reply
Sleepingforest - Sunday, June 23, 2013 - linkI believe it's something like "AMD's CPU should feel free to leave now". The unwritten part that doesn't get translated is that the CPU should feel free to leave because it is so shamefully bad. Reply
silverblue - Monday, June 24, 2013 - linkAs stated, it's not actually all the CPU's fault for the poor performance. Reply
maba - Saturday, June 22, 2013 - linkAMD's Enduro results may not be that bad compared to discrete mode IF(?) Enduro causes less power consumption / heat dissipation. The penalty on "enthusiast" settings is rather low and the other settings show a very playable > 60 FPS.
So my thought is that it might be a good trade to have lower power consumption versus high FPS that [at least nearly] everyone does not benefit from.
That is of course neglecting the GX60 results and driver problems as with DX9. The effects on other FPS measurements (aka "frame rating", min. FPS etc.) could though be another story, too.. Reply
ShieTar - Monday, June 24, 2013 - linkMy thoughts exactly. It almost looks to me like Enduro leads to something of a reasonable Adaptive V-Sync situation, refusing to waste power on >60fps, rather than just causing a performance decrease. In reality, most of these games should be played with V-Sync on anyways if you know that your hardware is capable of hitting 100fps or more. Reply
junky77 - Saturday, June 22, 2013 - linkthanks Jarred
did you happen to check if the integrated 7660G is loaded in the GX60? Maybe there is some problem with the dual GPU thing
Any comment from AMD? Reply
huaxshin - Saturday, June 22, 2013 - linkSigh. Please tell me Anandtech, what is the purpose with including a broken system with the GTX 780M, on a article that investigates 7970M?
You could have easily have ditched the GTX 780M results, and only presented the GX60 vs the Enduro vs the Non Enduro enabled system. Reply
huaxshin - Saturday, June 22, 2013 - linkIts pretty much well known all over the internet now that the whole Dragon Edition 2 review you done, was BS. Including the GTX 780M benches. Reply
JarredWalton - Saturday, June 22, 2013 - linkIt's pointed out in the Dragon review text that it performs poorly, far worse than expected, and it's pointed out again here, numerous times. Why include it, then? There are cases where the GTX 780M actually shows some of its potential, and interestingly it's in those same cases that the APU + 7970M does best as well. Even if the Dragon is CPU throttling, whether due to a BIOS issue or a QA issue isn't really important -- MSI is to blame in either case. This review is tagged MSI as well, so perhaps people looking at an MSI laptop might like to read about both systems? Sorry if you work for MSI and that concerns you, but then if you work for MSI you should be even more concerned about systems like this ending up in the hands of paying customers. That's what we're concerned about at least. Reply
dwade123 - Saturday, June 22, 2013 - linkAwful touch pad position. Reply
Hrobertgar - Monday, June 24, 2013 - linkI viewed the flicker vdeo, and I sometimes get a similar problem on my 3 year old Dell Inspiron1501 - i5-560M + 420M dGPU. When I switch beteen WoW (a Blizz product which you mnetioned ) and desktop/internet it will sometimes induce a flicker that also reduces the computer's ability to recieve input. (This seems to occurr if I am doing a lot of alt-Tabbing while I am checking on something. Sometimes it affects only Windows first and then later also impacts the game) The only solution I have found is a full shutdown and reboot - but that ALWAYS takes care of it.
Sometimes I also get an issue where my keyboard will be partially remapped and again a full shutdown is the only soloution. I encounter the flicker about once every month or so, and the keyboard issue sometimes more than once per week. Hopefully my next system/games will behave better. Reply
wow&wow - Friday, July 05, 2013 - linkWhat is the point comparing a ~$1K product with a ~$2K one? Can we spend time in somethimg more practical and useful? Reply
Wolfpup - Monday, July 08, 2013 - linkThere's no way you could be overstating driver issues. This is messed up, and there aren't enough people in the press going to bat for us, the people actually buying these systems.
Also messed up that the newer drivers don't even support something as recent as Llano. Nvidia's drivers support their first gen Direct X 10 parts, if not earlier, and AMD's is dumping support for something still sold LAST YEAR?
I REALLY want AMD to do well, as we need them, and I've got an AMD Bobcat system right now, but geez, their drivers need to get it together, and there have been problems since...the 90s, frankly. Reply


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No LO for another game?
I wish Baker would expand his bullpen a little- use LeCure or Simon in these situations.
Even though he grounded out good to see him able to run hard
Marshall to pitch the ninth
Nice effort from Cairo
Way to keep it on the infield Cairo
Lol....Cairo realized he was old before he landed.
Saved a base.
Baker might have goofed not having Marshall ready to come in here against the lefty.
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I usually refer to Eric Meyer's reset, but I don't see one with NO tags for HTML5...
is there a reset anywhere anymore that only contains tags for XHMTL? and NO tags for HTML5?
thank you...
What does it matter if it has HTML5 tags in it? If it's not being used, it's ignored - there are no errors thrown in that scenario.
well, we're concerned with loading speeds where I am... I figured that might make a difference...
plus I'm just a bit anal.. why clutter css with ref. to tags that are not being used?
thank you....
If it's loaded externally and not loaded inline, it's cached and negligible. But if you don't want it, just remove it from Eric's version. Nothing says you have to use the full version....
Here is mine http://www.visibilityinherit.com/code/initial-css-settings.php
If you're worried about loading speeds from a few kb of CSS, don't use a reset at all.
why clutter css with ref. to tags that are not being used?
Ramen. Mine is a few lines at most. You honestly don't need to set every element in the universe to some preset you'll just override with natural CSS anyway.
outline:0; /* removes dotted border in FX */
Most of Eric Waton's reset is pretty sensible though, if you still want a real reset. The form controls are a good set.
This is all I tend to use, if anything:
html, body, div, h1, h2, h3, h4, h5, h6, p, a, blockquote, pre, code, hr, img, form, fieldset, legend, label, textarea, span, em, strong, sub, sup, cite, table, tbody, td, tfoot, th, thead, tr, tt, dl, dt, dd, ol, ul, li {margin: 0; padding: 0;}
img {vertical-align: bottom; border: none;}
The rest I normally take care of when styling elements.
I don't even set that many elements. For example the only table elements I've gotten unwanted padding on were th's and td's, and that was in Gecko browsers (1px).
Inline elements like span, em, strong... generally don't have any default margins or padding, probably because they are inlines. Their spacing mostly comes from the inherited line-height.
If I remove default margins from headings, I find I must compensate by giving them a bigger line-height, because they keep their inherited font sizes (apparently the inherited line-height is small) and they get very close to other elements, sometimes overlapping or touching text around them.
Eric Watson's got some good stuff for forms. In general, I set 2 things on form controls:I give inputs, selects and text-areas a font-size of 1em (also in Eric's reset). When I set 100% font size on the body, those elements seem to be leftover ones who don't get hit by that, causing their sizing to be off compared to everyone else (their physical sizing rather than their actual text sizing, because I size things in em's). Then since only some browsers (someone somewhere didn't do this but I can't remember who) display form inputs like inline-blocks, I just force it on all of them: input, select, textarea {display: inline-block;} though whether I put this near the top as part of some "reset", depends on how many forms there are, as Ralph does.
For my work's shopping cart setup, it made sense to just declare that junk in the base css, because someone else had set a bunch of font-sizes there already and there are tons of random form controls all over the site. On a site with one or two forms, I would just leave that for where the forms are styled.
We ought to make another thread somewhere for "what is your current reset/base css setup?" since everyone does it differently. I don't like the idea of actual big chunks of resets, but I look at them now and then and usually find stuff where I'm like, wtf is that for? And if I can find the reason it's usually interesting.
I added...
a:hover, a:focus, a:active {
/* add-custom:outline-rule-here; */
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Swindon captain Adam Westall feels like their season has ended a bit too soon.
A difficult spell following the Christmas break where the Greenbridge Road side won just two of six games has seen them slide into the middle of the table.
The weather has been a factor. Rain has not just restricted Swindon to only four games in the year's opening couple of months but it's also affected the way Westall and his teammates play. Known for their ball-in-hand style Swindon have had to resort to the boot more than they would like in a bid to adapt to the conditions.
Last Saturday Swindon notched an impressive win over third-placed Windsor with Nick Warren returning from long-term injury to put an impressive performance. Westall believes the returning players and some of the new faces who have stepped up in their absence will make Swindon stronger in the long run.
"We've got guys who have been out are coming back and we have got some guys coming into form.
"Mike Thompson stepped in as pack leader, he stood up last week [at Towcestrians] and seeing these young guys like Matty Broadbent competing with the guys at top of the league that gives us real belief going forward.
"Sam Wells has been injured, Steve Tait had been in Australia, it's a shame it's at the end of the season as we're getting back to full strength.
"Though we've built a foundation that will see us through for the next season with these younger guys coming through."
Swindon face three of the league's bottom four in the coming weeks and four of their six remaining games are at Greenbridge Road so Westall thinks that his side can finish with strong series of wins.
"We turned over the third best in the league quite comprehensively to be honest. Now we're targetting those games [against the bottom sides] and we know that four out of the six games left are at home so we've got a good chance of finishing well.
Elsewhere title-chasing Supermarine face Melksham this weekend. A win would take Sean Millwaters' side top of Dorset & Wilts 1 North.
Millwaters knows that in doing so his side would take over as the division's number one target, a position Marine have enjoyed the benefits of other teams being in.
"Now we're down to five games and if we win all five we win the league.
"For me it's about winning the game, it'll be nice to go top, but when you're on top you're back on the radar, whereas we have been off the radar."
In Southern Counties North Royal Wootton Bassett look to bounce back from their heavy defeat against Aylesbury at home to Reading Abbey, a win would see them cimb one place in the table to seventh.
Swindon College Old Boys face ffith-placed High Wycombe at Pipers Way. With relegation already confirmed Old Boys' remaining fixtures are an exercise in gaining experience and rebuilding for next season.


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Performances by comedienne Lily Tomlin, country music star Clint Black, and popular dance troupe Pilobolus are among the many presentations on tap at Pepperdine University Center for the Arts during its 2012-2013 season.
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Among the musicians coming to Pepperdine's Malibu campus are Puerto Rican band Plena Libre on September 30, ukulele sensation Jake Shimabukuro on October 4, singer-songwriter Lisa Loeb on October 6, Canadian duo Dala on October 7, and the John Tesh Big Band on October 22.
Also appearing will be the Grammy-winning vocal group Take 6 in their holiday show on November 30, bluegrass duo Dailey & Vincent on January 16, Clint Black on January 20, singer-songwriter Marc Cohn on January 22, the Campbell Brothers--combining gospel vocals and steel guitar--on February 7, folk-music icon Peter Yarrow on March 3, the Los Angeles Master Chorale on May 9, and Sweet Honey In The Rock on May 11.
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So what are the amazing Starcraft 2 'mods' ?
I have fond memories of Warcraft 3 custom maps. Some of them were very fun minigames, and multiple standalone games were based on them. For example DOTA, and Tower Defense. I don't know if tower defense was invented by the custom maps, but Warcraft 3 greatly popularized them, without doubt.
So Blizzard made a big fuss about their editor being very good. I don't own Starcraft 2 and won't purchase it. Can you point me to any outstanding Starcraft 2 custom maps ? I mean anything at least as good as DOTA or Tower Defense, that will probably spawn another row of standalone games. If you point me to some I'll watch youtube videos.pass
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Well, SC2 has the requisite Tower Defense and DOTA-clones(though I wonder if it's really a "DOTA clone" int hat sense, since SC had a DOTA-type game first). It also has stuff like Nexus Wars, where you build buildings that produce units constantly at a fixed rate, which then run across the map to fight the other guy's units. You earn money for kills, and use that money to build better units, until at some point one side or the other gets the right combination of units to charge all the way across the map and start killing the other guy's buildings(which usually spells doom for that guy).
I remember there also being a kart racing type map being bandied about by Blizzard when they were talking about how powerful the editor was. I don't know if it was just a demo that they made or if it actually got released.
One guy was also working on an "MMO" map for SC2, with persistent characters between games, using a third-peron over-the-shoulder perspective, WASD movement, and 1-2-3-4 as skill hotkeys, but I don't know how far along he got in making that. I know Blizzard got a bit pissy with him when he named it "World of StarCraft" , but they didn't shut him down or anything. He just had to change the name, so it became "StarCraft Universe" instead.
Other than that, I've not really seen a whole lot of variety in the SC2 maps. But I'd say that's probably due to the way that, up until recently, the only way to play a custom map was to know its name so you could search for it, or to hope that it was one of the "popular" maps, which are consistently dominated by maps such as Storm of the Imperial Sanctum(DOTA clone), the 400 different Tower Defense variations, and games like Nexus Wars/Bunker Wars. Maybe the Starcraft Arcade will make that change, but I won't hold my breath.
I'd really like to see maps like the old V-Tech Paintball and Jungle Paintball(two vastly different takes on paintball) come back.
Nexus Wars may be a new name, but I played many maps like that in Warcraft 3.
So far it looks like for all the praise they gave to their map editor, they can't back it up with facts.pass
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There's StarJeweled, a map where you gather energy by playing Bejeweled, using the energy to make units which then battle it out with the other team's in a tug-of-war style arena. There's a hide and seek map, which plays a bit like a TPS where your avatar is one of the random props, and you need to stay undetected. There's a few other more traditional TPS-style maps too. There's some original takes on existing map types as well, like MineralZ Evolution, which is like a tower defense map with a very heavy emphasis on cooperation and building an economy.
Playing some of those maps it's hard to deny that the editor seems really powerful, though ultimately it's obviously still the map editor of an RTS game. I guess you could do a karting game or an FPS if you really wanted, but I suppose a more general-purpose engine like the Unreal Engine or Unity would be more suitable for that. Hence most of the maps staying close to the RTS characteristics.
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Mafia. I've played tons of custom maps, but mafia is definitely up there as one of the best. Might take a while to learn, and often the town players are idiots, but most of the time it's great.
One I used to play frequently was something called 'Star Wars' or something. I don't think I fully understood it but it had nothing to do with the film. You controlled one of the big Starcraft ships (Battlecruiser, Queen, Carrier etc) and had to shoot down the enemy ships DOTA style.
Starjeweled is also a good time waster when you have a few minutes to kill.
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Although I have put many hours into SC2 and loved the custom games of the original, I have barely played any. Of those that I have played, I've only really put much time into Marine Arena and Nexus Wars. The later is probably the better of the two, as Marine Arena usually ends up with one team getting fed lots of kills and becoming more and more powerful. Nexus wars does have some nice strategy ideas and you really have to think about when to get the upgrades.
Also watched a couple of videos of Total Biscuit playing some custom games. Star Striker is a kind of 5v5 football game that looked okay. Select your unit type, each coming with various different abilities and try to score in the opposing teams net. Probably does not have the longevity of many other custom games, but still looked like it could be a lot of fun. There was also a mod based on The Hunger Games that seemed to have some really nice ideas. Everyone plays as a Zealot and can grab different abilities and items from crates. Once you are knocked out of the game, you start controlling elements of the game, such as spawning creatures to attack the remaining plays or turning water into lava. Looked like it would be great fun and had some really tense moments.
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Star Battles one of my favourites so far
just because it hasn't spawned a whole new genre of games yet doesn't make Blizzard dirty liars.
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Plans to extend a snack kiosk close to the Cow and Calf Rocks landmark in Ilkley and create an indoor seating area are recommended for refusal by planners next week.
Cafe owner Tony Falconi is seeking planning permission for a single-storey extension to the building, off Hangingstone Road.
He previously gained permission to convert a former Yorkshire Water building into the kiosk – but a previous plan to demolish the building and construct a cafe and visitor centre was turned down by Bradford Council in 2011.
The new planning application is due to go before Bradford Council's Keighley and Shipley Area Planning Panel on Wednesday.
Planning officers have recommended that councillors refuse planning permission.
In a report prepared for the meeting, they acknowledged the proposal would help a small enterprise expand and improve its operation, but said the significant expansion of the building would be out of proportion.
They concluded the benefits from the proposal would not mitigate the visual harm in the sensitive location.
Ilkley Parish Council supported the proposal and asked that it should go before the Area Planning Panel if recommended for refusal.


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Did you know?
Mpumalanga province was formerly known as the Eastern Transvaal.
Approximately 330km from Johannesburg you'll find a hiking trail to take you back to the tranquility and beauty of nature.
Located between Badplaas and Barberton in the Nelshoogte Nature Reserve, this two-day hiking trail spans a mere 21km. But don't be fooled, this is not flat terrain and sturdy hiking boots, along with some degree of hiking fitness, are an absolute must when attempting to do trail.
The trail, consisting of two sections, runs mostly through the Komatiland Forestry, along the Montrose and Queens Rivers. You can start at either section: the 13km Montrose section, which is mostly downhill; or the 8km Queens River section, which is mostly uphill. You can rest your weary head at one of the two overnight hiker's huts, the Queens View and the Makesh. Both huts have electricity, beds, mattresses, ablution and braai facilities, and can sleep up to 20 people.
The Montrose section begins at the main entry gate and although it is predominantly a downhill trail, an initial burst of energy is spent going uphill through the Pine Forest for about 2km. The descent through the indigenous forest is a particularly fragrant one as your nostrils take in the scent of the lush flora, only to be broken by a plunge in the nearby Alvin Falls' natural swimming pool. The trail then continues along the river and cuts down the Makhonjwa Mountains, ending with a path crossing through open grasslands towards Makesh Hut.
The Queens River section of the trail follows the Queens River Valley. You can expect to pass a local settlement, cross the river on a log bridge, take in the views of the Crowned Eagles nest, cross a low-level bridge and later visit a picnic area to enjoy a spot of lunch on your way to Queens View hut.
The Queen Rose Trail is an average hike in difficulty but a spectacular hike in every other way.
Travel tips & Planning info
Who to contact
The Queen Rose Trail
Tel (Andrea): +27 (0)79 180 1488
How to get here
From Johannesburg you can hire a car and drive along the N4 going east to Mpumalanga. At Machadodorp, turn right onto the R541, then turn left at the T-junction onto the R38. Follow the R38 to the Nelshoogte Nature Reserve where the trail begins.
Best time to visit
It can get very hot in summer (December to February) so it's best to visit the area during the cooler months of the year.
What to pack
Make sure you come prepared for both the Lowveld heat and the Highveld chill. This is a high rainfall area, so be prepared for summer afternoon rain and crisp clear winter evening. A hat, sunscreen and insect repellant are always recommended.


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Antimalarial quinolines with reduced gap junction inhibitory activity
Reference Number: K 06-23
Inventors: Hua, Duy; Takemoto, Dolores; Chiang, Peter
Owner: Kansas State University Research Foundation
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Invention Summary
This technology has a number of compounds containing quinoline moiety that reduce specific gap junction (such as connexins 50) inhibitors for the studies of various neutral effects. The link has been discovered to be that mefloquine and its analogs inhibit gap junctions, which are responsible for neutron transmission. The present invention also contains anti-malarial capabilities that are different from most other agents. Most anti-malarial agents such as mefloquine have serious side effects such as depression and psychotic or suicidal episodes. The present invention does not have these effects.
The specific Cx50 gap junction inhibitor, PQ1, and its analogs can be used to study neural degenerative diseases such as Parkinson's. There were less psychological effects found in the application of the anti malarial drugs than other alternatives. There is a large market for the anti malarial drugs in military personnel as well as civilian travelers.
Treatment of diseases related to gap junctions
The studying of neural degenerative and psychological diseases
Potent specific gap junction inhibitors can be used to treat ischemic injury such as heart surgery, strokes or retinal surgery
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That's a bit of a short question Mark, an "?" are you a spambot?
For those whom did get the question posed: Is there a case where <button> is the best tag to use?
It depends upon what you are wanting it for but they have more scope. The BUTTON also allows emphasis unlike submit and has richer rendering but the BUTTON element type allows other content (not just IMG) assuming the image doesn't load the 'alt' attribute would be displayed as text for the button. Technically if the text does go over two lines then the BUTTON is used.
Really BUTTON was created for containing richer content not just wrapping text or using an IMG whereas INPUT cannot contain content as it is EMPTY. Does that help any?
If the button has more flexibility, why use an <input type="submit"> ?
Another question, why doesn't anyone use the <button> element?
It's more compatible with browsers.
Some do. I actually use it on my web forms. However, some older browsers don't quite know how to handle it and don't pass the value of it it in a POST request back to the server. IE6 is especially notorious for this.
Here's a couple of posts that go more in depth:http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/showthread.php?769898-button-vs-input-type-quot-button-quot
Interesting, thanks gents.
Maybe now that IE6 is dead more people will start using <button>, but then again if <input type="submit"> is sufficient there's no reason to change.
Correct me if I'm wrong but the html button isn't just for forms? If I had a button on a page that if the user clicked it, it would open a popup layer with additional content. The html button tag would be the correct use and semantic markup correct?. I don't think a link tag is appropriate, what do you think?
I don't really see button used that way much and don't know why. I see a like with either # or javascript:void(0) in the href and that just seems wrong.
What makes you think no-one uses <button>?. I use it all the time except for a submit button in a form.
I tried looking at a few popular sites and between google, facebook and yahoo's home page I found 1 html button being use outside forms. Everyone else uses a span with the attr role=button.
Not all input elements need to be submitted back to the server, so they don't always need to be inside a form element. You could still use either the button or the input element if you just wanted a stand-alone button to use for a javascript function.
I don't know how many developers use <button> but the point I was making is that it is not no-one as markbrown4 was implying.
For me it's a question of semantics. If I need a button (apart from a form submit button) to provide some sort of functionality/enhancement then I use the button element. Sure, there are other options to create a button but to me they are not as correct semantically as using the button element.
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I've used <button> several times. I've also used <input> as well. I did find a problem with <button> in that it creating a different action for the button whilst pressed, it somewhat shifted the button a little, which in many cases was undesired. I did manage to fix this somehow by removing the margins and paddings, but was still a little puzzling at the time.
Personally I don't think it's a big deal in using button or input. I did happen to use <button> for buttons outside the form element also. It does look much better, however Button in many cases would do exactly the same thing, so in many cases I use an a tag.
I've just changed most of my inputs to buttons recently, after realizing that all new browsers, and most recently old browsers, all send the value of the button (some used to send textNode I think), so unlike an input type submit it can have a different textNode and value.They are better than input type images too, when used as buttons, as you do not have to loop through all the possible input type images to get a possible x or y value.
How awful. Sad to see that kind of crap on major websites. Like Amazon's famous . Arg. Incompetent boobs.
When deciding what element to use for something, keep in mind how that element is and can be activated by default. Elements with a role of "button" (which HTML inputs type=radio,submit,button, etc have by default) can be activated with the spacebar as well as the enter key. Anchors don't get activated by spacebars unless you hijax that in.


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WITH just over a week to go until A-level results day, the Exam Results Helpline is getting ready to open its phone lines on Thursday, August 14, at 8am.
For the first time this year, careers advisers will also be available on Twitter and Facebook and are preparing to answer more queries than ever before.
Thousands of people called the helpline last year for advice on a number of topics including re-sits, re-marks, higher education, careers advice, apprenticeship guidance, vocational qualifications and gap years.
The Exam Results Helpline is poised to help again and will be open for 10 days this year to cover both A-level and GCSE results day and can be reached on 0808 100 8000.
Nick Hynes, Exam Results Helpline adviser, said: "Every year, there are students who don't get the grades they need for university, there are those who achieve better grades than expected and those whose career plans have changed since they made their original university choices.
"At such a critical and life changing time, it's imperative that these students are clear what ALL of their options are, enabling them to make fully informed decisions about their futures."


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Chocolate-Orange Hazelnut Bark
The slight bitterness of orange zest and a sprinkling of salt round out the richness of the chocolate and hazelnuts.
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Source: Everyday Food, November 2006
- 1 navel orange
- 8 ounces bittersweet or semisweet chocolate, chopped
- 2/3 cup hazelnuts, skins removed, coarsely chopped
- 1/8 teaspoon coarse salt
Line a small (9-by-13-inch) baking sheet with aluminum foil; refrigerate. With a vegetable peeler, remove zest from half the orange. With a sharp knife, cut zest into very thin strips, each about an inch long.
Place chocolate in a heatproof bowl set over (not in) a pan of simmering water. Stir until melted and completely smooth. Mix in half the zest and hazelnuts. Immediately, pour onto prepared baking sheet; with a flexible rubber spatula, spread into an 8-by-10 inch rectangle about 1/4-inch thick. (To help spread chocolate, tip baking sheet up and down.) Sprinkle with remaining zest, nuts, and coarse salt.
Refrigerate until firm, about 30 minutes. To serve, break into pieces. To store, transfer to an airtight container, and refrigerate, up to 3 days.


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10 Crosby Derek Lam's resort 2015 collection has been previewed and Fashionising.com has each of the key looks for you.
You can see all of the 10 Crosby Derek Lam resort 2015 collection by clicking on a thumbnail on the left. From there you can browse through each of the pictures from the collection.


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U.N. heard atheist plea on Monday that Atheists, humanists and freethinkers around the globe face widespread discrimination, with expression of their views criminalized and in some countries subject to capital punishment, the United Nations was told via a document for consideration by the world body's Human Rights Council. A global organization linking people who reject religion said atheism was banned by law in a number of states where people were forced to officially adopt a faith. "Extensive discrimination by governments against atheists, humanists and the non-religious occurs worldwide", declared the International Humanist and Ethical Union (IHEU) which has some 120 member bodies in 45 countries. Source: Yahoo news Canada
Editorial Comment: Aren't they just reaping what they have sown? After all, they must feel safe when they are in North Korea, China etc. All those communist nations including the old Communist USSR, have killed hundreds of millions of people just in the last 100 years or so because they didn't accept the atheism of the countries' founders. After all most places that violate human rights seem to be quite comfortable with atheism. Furthermore, atheists believe in natural selection through death of the "unfit", so what are they complaining about? (Ref. Socialism, Philosophy, Religion)
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What is this medicine?FOSFOMYCIN (fos foe MYE sin) is an antibiotic. It is used to treat bacterial infections of the urinary tract.
What should I tell my health care provider before I take this medicine?They need to know if you have any of these conditions:
How should I use this medicine?Take this medicine by mouth. Follow the directions on the prescription label. Mix the contents of package in 3 to 4 ounces (1/2 cup) of cold water, stir well and drink. Take this medicine with food or on an empty stomach. Do not take your medicine more often than directed.
Talk to your pediatrician regarding the use of this medicine in children. Special care may be needed.
What if I miss a dose?This does not apply. This medicine is taken as a one-time dose.
What may interact with this medicine?
What should I watch for while using this medicine?Tell your doctor or health care professional if your symptoms do not start to get better in 2 to 3 days or if they get worse.
What side effects may I notice from receiving this medicine?Side effects that you should report to your doctor or health care professional as soon as possible:
Side effects that usually do not require medical attention (report to your doctor or health care professional if they continue or are bothersome):
Where should I keep my medicine?Keep out of the reach of children.
Store at room temperature between 15 and 30 degrees C (59 and 86 degrees F). Keep container tightly closed. Throw away any unused medicine after the expiration date.
Remember, keep this and all other medicines out of the reach of children, never share your medicines with others, and use this medication only for the indication prescribed.


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When each is linked to neighbors four,
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And when we're carried off to war,
The blade we can withstand.
What are we?
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By Aswat Masriya
CAIRO: A Facebook page that goes by the name "The Uprising of Women in the Arab World" launched a two-week campaign on Sunday to expose the suffering of women. "The campaign was launched in solidarity with all women who endured physical, psychological or sexual violence due to their gender, or were denied freedom, subjected to rape, female genital mutilation, forced marriage or any crime in the name of honor", said a statement on their page on Monday. The "Tell your story" campaign aims to raise awareness on the subjection of women to injustice and violence in their daily lives, the statement said. It added that "the scandal is in the criminal act, not the victim's reputation. Administrators of the page called on interested members to send their stories through written text, photos, drawings or videos. The group raised the motto, "Let's tell and tell stories to fill the world with our noise. The world must hear us so that we are liberated". The page, with more than 65 thousand members, was established post the Arab Spring in October 2011, to create a venue for constructive dialogue that advocates women rights.
(To read original article, visit this Bikyamasr link [1])
Links:[1] http://www.bikyamasr.com/81665/new-facebook-campaign-looks-at-arab-womens-struggle/
[2] http://www.nsvrc.org/news/news-field


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Microsoft ditches Small Business Server, dedicates efforts to cloud computing
By BRIAN ROSENFELT
Brian Rosenfelt has 17 years of business & IT experience, focusing on the areas of network design, virtualization, HIPAA compliance, cloud solutions, backup & disaster recovery planning and IT security.
Microsoft recently announced that its soon-to-be-released Server 2012 platform will not include a Small Business Server edition. This will be the first time since 2000 that the popular "SBS" platform will no longer be available.
Microsoft Small Business Server is designed for smaller organizations (under 75 users), and bundles Microsoft's Server, Sharepoint services, and Microsoft Exchange platform into a single package. This meant an inexpensive way for many smaller organizations to have their own in-house mail solution, without the need to have multiple servers and systems.
This decision will impact many of the clients we work with and the future, and in my view is sending a very clear message: Microsoft is committing itself 100% to the cloud.
The next version of the server operating system will have the capability to seamlessly integrate with a variety of cloud email providers. The theory being that on-premise mail servers are no longer necessary since cloud-based email solutions are so readily available and inexpensive.
This decision should be no surprise to those that follow Microsoft and their development efforts. They have been working hard to publicize their cloud-based products, including Office365. This server decision leaves small- and mid-sized business users with two choices:
1) Spend more money on a second or third server to run the full version of Microsoft Exchange or
2) move your email to the cloud.
One of Microsoft's reasons for making this shift was to also consolidate some of their server platforms and simplify licensing (a likely story). Small Business Server and Windows Home Server will no longer be available and will be consolidated into Windows Essential Server (but will have a lower user limit that the previous Small Business Server edition(s)).
Time will tell if Microsoft's bet will pay off, but being the 1000 lb. gorilla, they get to drive the market.
In our next blog , I'll talk more about this shift and details on how it might impact your business.
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