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Next setup I think we have to plan it a bit more, and also perhaps not use ROs. Take a slower pacing. Squad cohesion was excellent, and that showed on how we steamrolled from our WG down to the NC one. Platoon cohesion still needs a lot of work.
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Unfortunately I only made the last half hour or so last night. Grible did a fantastic job as Squad Lead, and it was good to have Esoteric tagging along with Charlie. I'm aware that I'm still learning a lot about the game, so it's easy to conflate natural improvements with the results of TACGIR, but I think that having clearer roles and objectives actually makes it easier for inexperienced players.
As was mentioned in the debrief, taking things a tiny bit more slowly might help us be a little more targeted in our actions. While I enjoyed a more structured arrangement, I felt that we ended up being the 'main' force while the 'casual' force got left behind.
Lastly - this being the AAR thread, should we try and keep discussion about the unit's purpose/design in a seperate thread? It's so easy to spread discussions over multiple locations, which doesn't really hold any benefit.On Steam - [URL="http://steamcommunity.com/id/kyndylan/"]Kyndylan[/URL]
Proposed 2 squad in tandem might help that. You were also in my squad GinSoaked, and it was a total mess at the start since I had to PL.
Another thing to note is that we haven't really played this way much. We will get better. We have never even attemped tactical play between two squads.
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[RPS TACGIR] Development Discussion. Let's move this exchange over there, and link any future AARs from there.
AAR - Strategic Thursdays - 18/04/2013 - 07:30pm-10:30pm BST
Introduction - Goal of the operation:
Last night was the first outing of our new TACGIR comms setup. You can visit Esoteric's post on the Mumble thread. Main goal of the operation was the familiarisation with the setup, and most importantly how to utilise it for better squad coordination. Also, an effort was to be made on utilising an Air Squadron and fostering combined arms play.
Continent: Amerish. The situation on Esamir did not seem favourable at the beginning of the evening, and Indar is, well, Indar. On retrospect though, perhaps Esamir, due to the flatter terrain, should have been preferable. Amerish, due to its mountains and deep valleys, adds further complexity in organising transport.
- BL: MrEclectic
- Comms Liaison: qaz
- Alpha: Cortosis, relieved by Wardancers (Alpha didn't have an RO due to the BL being a member)
- Bravo: GinSoakedBoy/Skumby
- Charlie: EsotericReverie/Orius
- Delta: Ridebird/Richtersen
- Echo: (for the life of me cannot recall)
- Air Squadron: Jerbul/Heigh-Many Popes-cannot recall (they sure changed a lot of ROs)
Rough progression of events:
- First scale - targeting Mekala - moving South towards NC: Nothing spectacular. We capped the surrounding territories, reaching to Auraxicom Substation, Splitpeak and Auraxis Firearms, looking for a NC reaction. Good response times, coordinated strikes. During all this time, Air was apparently doing a great job, because we never felt any enemy air threat.
- Noteworthy action: Auraxis Firearms. Alpha secured the bridge, having one Battle Bus Sunderer guarding the deployed AMS Sunderer. Delta arrived and pushed beyond.
- Second scale - switching to West: Although we did encounter some fights when moving down SE, there was not anything big so we could have a fun fight. After Mekala, and as we were coming Substation and Splitpeak, the Ascent presented itself. Air scouted, and supported as Delta first hit the ground, followed by Alpha for the main tower, and Bravo and Charlie to reinforce and if not needed cap the other points. Friendlies were around, but so a big enemy force. Drops were successful and on targets.
- We pushed West. Seeing no significant enemy presence, we spread out trying to cap territory towards the TR WG. The TR started concentrating on Lithcorp, but we had Delta gal drop on the facility, one Sunderer IIRC from Charlie on the east cliff overlooking the facility, and Alpha and Bravo guarding the crossroads north of the facility, preventing TR armour and air approaching (there was some, but not much).
- After that, again spread, as we were trying to negate and fix the TR from pushing across the North edge of the map eastwards. During this, Bravo was dispatched to Deserted Mineshaft.
- Bravo encountered heavy resistance. but they didn't ask for reinforcements early on. After asking if they needed, I started concentrating all our forces there. It turns out, they were facing a force of platoon-strength, probably more. Response and arrival of reinforcing squads was very good. On the ground, we managed to clear their reinforcements and Sunderers from the west, Bravo, Charlie and Echo pinned them from the west side and around the cap, and Alpha and Delta secured the eastern airpad, suppressing and then flanking their approach to the cap point from the spawnroom.
- Final scale - Ikanam: After that, I recall we also had some major action, but not details. Final action was around and inside Ikanam, where we secured it with ease.
- Coordination on the ground was great. Squad leaders, during the debriefing, were satisfied with how easy it was for them to coordinate on the ground, supporting each other's squad. The Unit Chat aspect of the new comms is undoubtedly a success.
- Air Squadron was a success. For the first time, it was us that had total air domination, and the TR constantly harassed by our air.
- We did not lose during any action IIRC.
Areas that need improvement:
- In part because of the new comms setup, PL/RO communication sometimes was problematic. Some ROs didn't respond at times, and the sitreps were not informative. On occasion, information about the situation on the ground, especially from squads dispatched on different locations, was unreliable. On my part, and I think this further contributed and amplified the situation, I was trying to micromanage on occasion. Although I feel that it is the role of the BL to coordinate squads during major action, I overdid it. I felt at the time that micromanaging would negate the information deficit (when they're doing what you tell them, you know what they are doing - sic!). Of course that was the incorrect response. Also, I didn't call for sitreps in squad order. I rectified that further in the evening somewhat, but I need to further improve.
- The new comms setup is kind of problematic for the PL. The PTT is used to talk to the whole platoon, so he cannot use it to talk to his squad. So I set up a whisper for that. During the evening, it also turned out that the whole Alpha squad could listen to the Radio Chatter, so the solution was for them to mute me (as I said during the debriefing, perhaps this should be outfit policy!)
Personal Mistakes and Failures:
- Did not take advantage of opportunities for combined arms play. Amerish of course is the worse map for that, unless there are major enemy and TVA operations going on at the same time, so big concentrated battles take place. Still, there were a couple of opportunities I missed.
- Sometimes called the Air Squadron to provide Galaxy taxi service. Wrong. To my defense, did not have a clear picture of what was happening with the Air Squadron, besides that they were doing a great job. I assumed that they usually had people on cool down. Never assume, always confirm (ass+u+me). To make matters worse, those galaxies some times were not even needed. I should have been clearer on the role of the Air Squadron, and also at coordinating with the SLs on that aspect.
- Regarding the Air Squadron, I was kind of reluctant to widen their CAP areas. In the future, Air Squadron should be free to operate in a wider area. As yesterday showed, just knowing where the closest friendly AA is is enough.
- Not making sure the Comms Liaison was in my squad, and not taking a pause to rectify that. We kicked off the evening late, due to having to discuss the new setup, but that was no excuse. If so, CL could make the general strategic decisions, and I could focus. Also, the need for back-capping would be reduced, if I had coordinated better with the CL and hence the rest of TVA. That is an even greater failure, considering the importance of TVA coordination.
- The above lead to too much ghost- and back-capping. Also a failure to correctly read the map. I should have stuck to my intent on my initial post to delegate these decisions to a SG/CL. I still feel that such a setup would be better, with the SG/CL setting strategy and goals, PL coordinating the squads to achieve those goals, and the squads coordinating on the ground to secure their objectives.
- Talking too much at times. Already mentioned it in the "Areas that need improvement" section. To my defense, but not excuse, the problems with the comms and the crashes (got a mumble crash, and after half an hour got a blue screen of death) made for a very hectic gaming experience at times.
Best personal moments:
- Reinforcing Deserted Mineshaft, and recalling our whole strength there. Fun fight, and really good operational and tactical coordination on the ground. One of the highlights of the evening.
- During the mumble crash, managed to coordinate the attack on Lithcorp (I think the second one) through text messages in outfit chat. Concise and accurate objectives, in retrospect I should always operate as if typing orders in Twitter!
Suggestion: In future operations, the chain of command should go SG/CL->BL->SLs. SG looks how the map is going and asks "where should the oufit be? Are we achieving our strategic targets?", both to themselves and the rest of TVA. BL looks at how the operational objectives are going and asks "where should the squads be? Are we achieving our operational objectives/capping or defending regions?". SLs look at how the tactical objectives are going and ask themselves "where should the squaddies be? Are we achieving our targets/buildings/cap points/generators?"
Fun was had by most, so that is good. The Unit Chat aspect of the comms and the utilisation of a dedicated Air Squadron are now a proven concept and a tool of immense value to the outfit. On a personal note, I need to shut up!
Last edited by MrEclectic; 19-04-2013 at 06:44 PM.
Bringing all my ramblings from the wrong AAR thread into this one:
Last night was pretty good (I was in Delta), no action for quite a while but things got going after a few empty caps. The new comms seemed to work well in terms of our squad with Ridebird and our RO seeming not to be flooded with comms traffic. I didn't much like the way the air arm worked, seemed (as others have said) to be mainly as a taxi service. I'd like to see squads move themselves around in gals and have the air arm do the air cover. More guns, less seats?! Internal squad comms were excellent, loads of tactical ideas flying around. In the fighting we seemed to gel pretty quickly, self balancing classes effectively and basically taking most things apart we came up against. Fun!
Just trying to think of my personal highlight from last night. I forget the base now but we had the enemy mainly pinned in their spawn. I went LA and went high, some steep pointy rock with good overlook. I had the idea to start sniping with my shiny new 'Underboss'. After a couple of shots I thought it was bugged, kept getting double shot sounds. Then spun around to find Ridebird had had the exact same idea lol. What a sound the new pistols make!!!
Cross-posting from t'other thread (also I can't get rid of the italics for some reason):
Caveat: I've only lead twice, and I'm relatively new.
As a platoon lead I'd like to be able to call on ROs individually, have them report in individually as the situation requires. I can call on an RO for a sitrep easily enough, especially if I'm only talking to the RO:
PL "Bravo sitrep please?"
RO "On objective, minimal resistance, securing now"
RO "Bravo to Platoon"
PL "Go ahead."
RO "Meeting heavy resistance and require support"
PL "Copy that Bravo."
and then PL takes charge of sorting out support or changing plans if everyone's getting hit hard. The inter-communication flows from PL to RO to SL to squads and back again. Once you get a selection of good SLs and good ROs who aren't having technical problems and know what's expected of them, this system will just get slicker and slicker.
"Delta is on site" or "Charlie objective complete in 30 seconds" are useful bits of information to throw out, but as a PL I do spend a large amount of my time in the map looking at how things are going as a whole anyway, and with the new changes to how information is displayed on the map you'd probably be able to keep on top of that as a PL more easily now as well.
On another note - having the air squad was fantastic; as we're so used to being swarmed by Mosquitos and Reavers, seeing that many Scythes up in the air and chasing off enemy attackers was great. It also means that infantry and tanks can focus on killing other infantry and tanks rather than having to worry about air defence.
I definitely think the air squad shouldn't be used for taxi service though. Yes there's a lead time if a squad member has to drop back to a Warpgate or Tech Plant to pull a galaxy, but hopefully SL should know where he's going before he's finished his current objective and can call for someone to drop back and pull transport before they have to move out (in an ideal world, of course ... and if the PL is on his game!).
Unless we're doing a platoon sized gal drop on a large facility, having SLs worry about how they get from where they are to where they need to be seems like the best option (with guidance from PL if required, but to assume that the SL will take the lead unless told otherwise:
PL to RO: "OK, great work on capping X - next objective is Y."
RO to SL "PL says we're awesome and we're going to cap Y next."
SL thinks: we can get there by sundy / we need a gal to get in there
SL to squad "Great stuff guys, once the cap is done I want everyone to gather on the squad waypoint. Need one volunteer to pull a sundy / drop back to warp gate and pull a gal."
Nine times out of ten you'll get someone volunteering. So SL takes care of the how, PL takes care of the where (and can also advise the SL of how quickly the how needs to get done if that's important).
Keeping the air squad flying close air support and combat air patrols gives us a great option in the air, not just for defending ground forces, but also for interdicting enemy action against us - e.g. we are taking a tech plant, we have all four squads committed, we have CAS hunting out enemy sundies around the base and CAP a bit further out hunting down enemy reinforcements etc. (I have visions of enemy Gal drops being destroyed on route etc.)
I got online after the comms teething problems had been sorted out (up until the point Eclectic blue-screened), and had GinSoaked and Skumbly for SL and RO - felt like both knew what they were doing and kept things moving, but we had the unfortunate experience of getting to the fight late or not being able to get into the fight at all.
Something more game-related for the PL to bear in mind - Alpha and Charlie are getting a lot of fighting done, Bravo's been off on a ghost cap for a while. Let's have Bravo and Delta take the lead on the next big fight and have Charlie ghost that outpost to the south ... or whatever.
So yeah ... this post turned out to be really long.
Further thoughts on air giraffes: from my point of view, I think the best use of the Air Squad as a group is to have the people in it always be doing one of three things:
CAS - taking out enemy armour or strafing infantry, staying close in around whichever objective is being taken.
CAP - destroying enemy fighters/Liberators, dogfighting, even just keeping enemy air engaged so that they can't attack ground targets. This could be more of a wider area, free roaming thing (even a mere six pilots could cover a huge amount of territory).
Scouting/harassment - I get that you'd be doing a fair amount of this anyway. But spotting enemy armour off in the distance so we could chop a CAS strike onto it, or spotting enemy transports early enough so that our infantry squads can be in position to ambush them ... maybe the game moves a bit too fast for that kind of stuff to happen except rarely.
In terms of numbers I think having wingmen buddies would work well, and then if they get a nice target rich environment they can let the others in the Squad now and have them swarm over. I'd love to see our Scythes taking out enemy Galaxy drops before they can get near us, or interdicting armour that's moving up to attack us from another facility.
I think that would help to keep the level of enjoyment up for the pilots as well, giving them more targets to shoot at.
Last edited by sketchseven; 19-04-2013 at 05:41 PM. Reason: Added a bit
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Sorry about the other thread.
To make sure the Air Force is constantly busy why not say "If you have no current orders then patrol the general area of the squads and destroy any esfs". Then either the PL or SL can call in air support when needed or the PL can send in libs ahead of the ground units to soften up a target. Scythes could also act as scouts, giving intel to the PL on enemy forces.
I should have called in other squad support for Bravo last night but it was our first proper fight and I wanted my squad to actually be able to get stuck in. In hindsight it would have been better to request support earlier.
AAR - Saturday Night's Alright For Fighting - 20/04/2013
Regular Saturday night gaming with the RPS PS2 crowd. No split comms, everyone in one channel. Originally we were just pootling about with a squad and a half looking for a fight, this turned into doing our best with the alert when it was declared for Esamir - I think our numbers swelled to three squads at the end.
I'm posting this here to gain some feedback on how people felt the platoon leading went.
Continent: Esamir. With no particular objective in mind a group decision was made that the few people online when I volunteered to take Platoon Lead would warp gate to Esamir and go looking for a fun fight to get stuck into. This turned out to be a bit of good fortune when Esamir came up as the alert.
PL: sketchseven
Comms Liaison: N/A
Alpha: Grible
Bravo: Gibbonious
Charlie: FrozenRain
Delta: Skumby
If I screwed any of those names up I apologise, one channel comms got very chaotic but there was no time to try and sort out split comms.
Rough progression of events:
Initial operations; we went looking for a fight on Esamir, and were involved in multiple changes in possession of Mani Bio Labs. We were fighting against TR for the majority of this time and were quite successful in taking the labs; on other occasions, the TR would arrive in large numbers and push us out, only for RPS units to recapture all the satellite outposts and push back into the labs.
We had a lot of success on being pushed out of the labs by falling back to Stillwater and Northpoint, and setting up defensive lines on the eastern bank of the river. We broke multiple TR attempts to break out east from Mani Bio Lab, and were then able to push back into Mani and resecure it.
Esamir alert: The fight continued around Mani; huge amounts of TR were being thrown into the mix. Attempts to push out west and south from Mani (Haven, Aurora Materials, Apex Genetics), while initially successful, were ultimately swamped by mass TR pushes. We fell back to defend Mani and were involved in heavy fighting around the satellites and the bio lab itself. RPS held on as long as possible, including recapping the satellite outposts numerous times, but were ultimately pushed out by overwhelming TR numbers. We again fell back to the east, got in position at Northpoint and Stillwater, and dug in - I was fully expecting the TR to attempt to keep rolling east and press our Warp Gate.
When it became clear this was not going to happen, we then headed south, attempting to snatch territory back from the NC. We were able to reinforce Nott Amp Station and save that from the NC attempting to cap it, and then pushed out towards the south to continue to try and grab ground. While we weren't able to secure new territory, we were able to defend those parts that we were holding and keep the NC from getting any more ground.
The alert finished with an NC victory, at which point most people logged off.
Personal mistakes & failures:
I cost us time at Stillwater and Northpoint when we were waiting for the TR push that never came; we should have pulled out earlier and the time we lost there might have made the difference later on when trying to snatch what we could from NC before the end of the alert.
Also when we were trying to get moving quickly to seize territory from the NC things got very chaotic as I was trying to get squads onto objectives and reinforce other squads etc. - with a lot of the squad chat and general communication that was going on things got a bit messy towards the end. I think if it had been a TACGIR night with split comms that might have improved things but I wasn't about to try messing around with my binds (they're not set up yet) in the dying minutes of the alert.
Best personal moments:
RPS plunging into the fight at Nott Amp Station and blocking the NC cap in literally the last few seconds of the timer. Great work from everyone involved there, that was a beautiful bit of play. And all the sweeter due to one NC yelling his congratulations to his teammates moments before we stormed the point and cleared them out - much crowing was done in return.
I hope people had fun, we got stuck into some great fights, and although we didn't win the alert, the RPS outfit did make the key difference in a number of different fights, whether that was the defence and delaying action at Mani, or the saving of Nott Amp Station. Thanks to everyone that was online while I was lead, the Giraffe's gave a hoofing to the enemy far above our weight, and especially to the squad leads who all did a great job.
I'd love some feedback on what people thought about me as PL and if there's anything that they think I could have done differently/better/areas that I can improve on.
Last edited by sketchseven; 21-04-2013 at 09:53 AM. Reason: added Delta squad lead
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Overall Sketch did an admirable job in the face of some pretty overwhelming odds and well organised TR outfits. I think the fact everyone was pleased with the number of certs they'd racked up last night suggests it was good hunting. My favourite jaunts were:
- The defence of Mani; the successful taking and holding of satellites there and perseverence against an enormous force. Our efforts slowed and distracted a major TR push.
- The (multiple) defences of Stillwater. A good many mosquitos were swatted last night and the giraffes should be proud of how well we held Stillwater against multiple sunderers, prowlers and a sky full of air units.
- The fight for Aurora (and surrounding areas). After Grible became 'highly suspicious of those purple crystals' we ended up having a real slog to take the mountains south of Mani Lake. After a vicious fight, we ended up being able to attack Aurora from an unusual angle and again ended up fighting TR defenders who outnumbered and outequipped us. Props to FrozenRain and his gang for sticking with - and taking - that one after Sketch called us away as a lost cause.
I don't have a great deal of criticism for anyone last night. Some people would have been lynched if it was a TACGIR night for being part of the platoon but not part of the fight, instead choosing (it seemed) to holiday 3 bases back from the rest of us. Likewise, being recalled to a warpgate should be a basic giraffe skill but some clearly found it too difficult a request. Sketch tried to micromanage what became a sizeable platoon and could have saved some effort if he'd left a bit more to us SLs. Saying that, it was just a casual night, we were all in single channel and it was my first attempt at SLing so I am not going to complain (just whinge).
I know I was too quiet and am going to have to up my game if I want to SL effectively. Last night's action was perfect practice though as I got to play with beacons, waypoints and holding maps in front of my face without any pressure to perform. I suggest other wannabe SLs try to have a bash on a casual night first. Feedback would be appreciated but I know I had too little to say so I don't expect there was much to comment on.
On a TACGIR night with proper split comms, I'd have been talking only to ROs (unless there was something urgent that needed to be communicated to everyone at once), and the SLs would be to trusted to get the job done on the ground.
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Not sure whether I agree on that, actually. To me, casual nights tend to be so messy that I find anything I as SL say to my squad is lost in the general hubbub. You need to be very asertive and sound like you know wha the hell you're doing, two things that requires bit of confidence, which newer leaders may not yet have gained. I'd much rather have a nice and easy time alone with my squad, but I guess others night feel differently.
we really should get going on the mentoring thing by the way. Putting a squa with a new SL into its own unit, the mentor and mentee can both be in the SL channel and use their coordinate shout to talk to each other. And any others who want to take part, for that matter.
I find it hard to keep track of where I am, what's going on, etc. Probably not cut out to be a squad leader when situations are busy, but I'd dumped certs into beacon and smoke so gave it a go. Often I heard in Mumble that there were orders, but by the time I've moved my focus to mumble the details have already finished. It was embarrassing to keep asking for repeats Having the PL put text orders in platoon chat after speaking for people to refer back to would be useful in future. At one point in the evening I was at the wrong base for a while, having mixed up east and west.
Chaos set in when I placed some yellow smoke to aid navigation, and about 4 sundies got confused as to which road to take. Extra thanks to Moxxi for picking up my "crab" (MAX) and saving me a long waddle between bases! Cobbled together a picture (giraffe in a cart) in thanks of good driving. No idea how to attach it, so here is a link: http://postimg.org/image/9clkbp74h/
I was slower with the squad beacon than I should have been. Partly due to being a MAX for a while and unable to place it, and then forgetting I had it. One of my squad asked if I was away from keyboard, which helped remind me to place it.
I tend to think in terms of 'routes to victory', but have been forgetting something important. Even if they're going to win, you can still make it hard for them. Not much fun to face a slow loss though.
Getting a feeling for the timing of the alerts will help me and other people who step up to the PL role in future I think; with last night as an example, although we did break the TR momentum in the north, the NC were holding enough ground that they won the alert.
Which brings me back to the defence at Stillwater for the TR push that never came - with the benefit of hindsight I should have pulled the platoon out of Mani as we were being overwhelmed, but have taken that moment as the cue to head south and start focusing on the NC straight away - catching another TR push across the river would've been good but the NC were the ones that were winning the alert (and by that point we were into the last 20 or so minutes anyway).
Last night's gaming session kind of changed objectives as we went along; first of all it was just "let's find a good fight" and then became "alert's on let's do what we can". Both times the initial objective was fairly simple; hold the TR in the north. In the end we tied down huge numbers of TR in and around Mani for most of the alert, even if actually holding the facility was impossible.
Incidentally, ProdigalVS was apparently raging at Grible in whisper chat about RPS leaving Mani, and that our pullout was the reason we lost the alert. I think both he and I are of the opinion that this is entirely untrue.
Things got very confused when we were trying to push south and that was down to me I think, and the fluidity of the situation - I was trying to push out, but we ended up having to reinforce and defend against NC flipping outposts instead - which meant a fair bit of me saying 'Charlie go here." and then two seconds later having to recall you and send you somewhere else instead.
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Actually we are just splitting hairs. I think that the real answer is that you when you have as many as 4 squads on a casual night you either keep everyone in 1, maximum 2, groups or you get a TACGIR going. Sending the 4 squads to four different directions without squad leadership is a headache.
Anyway, there hasn't been that much TACGIR play lately, is that because everyone is burnt out on tactical play after Thursday night ops, or simply that nobody wants to take the first step and propose it? I will want to play that way most of the time, but won't want to SL every time, and thus feel a bit silly asking for someone to step up to lead TACGIR for me.
I'm thinking maybe I shouldn't and neither should anyone else who feels like a bit of tactical play, at any time of night or day!
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I think it's hard to ask even just to run in separate channels when there are 40 people in channel with lots of people all talking at once. I'd happily lead a squad or platoon most of the time, I could do with the practice and I really enjoy it. I kind of feel that people seem to think TACGIR means strict, po-faced play without fun which I think isn't true at all. I have much more fun playing in a more organised manner.
Alright, that's good. Rather than get bogged down in a fourth repeat of an old discussion, I shall start asking if there's anyone willing to lead a TACGIR squad, whenever I happen to feel like it. Much more constructive, really.


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Cook in the oven for 25-30 minutes until browned and tender.
Scatter with parsley and serve with extra seasonal salad leaves.
Winter potato pot (Serves 4) Price per portion: 87p Calories per portion: 164 kcals 4 medium potatoes (fluffy), skin on, cut into small cubes 1tbsp olive oil 1 small leek, thinly sliced 5 rashers lean bacon, each cut into 3 bits 6 baby carrots, peeled and cut in half lengthways ¼ swede, peeled and cut into small cubes 300ml cider or stock 2 sprigs fresh thyme, remove leaves and use Handful curly kale, shredded In a large pan heat the oil then add the leek and bacon and cook for 3-4 minutes. Next, add the carrots, swede, cider and thyme. Bring to the boil and fast-simmer for 15-20 minutes with the lid on the pan. For the final 5 minutes, add the kale and lightly steam. Serve in deep bowls.
Potato and bacon cakes (Makes 4-6 cakes) Price per portion: 58p Calories per portion: 178 kcals 4 large potatoes (fluffy), skin on and cut into small cubes 4 lean rashers smoked bacon, grilled and chopped 4 spring onions, finely sliced 2tbsp green pesto Seasoning Flour for dusting 1-2tbsp olive oil for frying Eggs for poaching Take the cubed potatoes and place in a large plastic (microwave proof) bowl. The potatoes will cook quicker if not packed too densely. A bigger bowl with a thinner layer works best.
Rinse the cubes with water, drain, then place back into the bowl and add a small splash of water and garlic. Cover with a plastic plate or cling film and cook. For a microwave of 800 watts (category E), cook for 5-8 minutes. For microwaves of different watts or category, adjust the cooking time in accordance with the manufacturer's instructions. After cooking, shake the bowl and leave to stand for 1 minute.
Alternatively, place the potatoes in a pan on the hob, with just enough boiling water to cover them. Put the lid on bring to the boil and simmer for 15-20 minutes or until tender. Drain.
Crush the potatoes. Add the bacon, spring onions, pesto and seasoning and mix well together.
Take handfuls of the mixture, shape into a ball and then flatten and make into cake shapes. The mixture should make about 4-6 cakes. Lightly dust with flour and then chill.
Heat the oil in a frying pan and cook the cakes for 1-2 minutes on each side until golden brown.
Finally, heat a large pan of boiling water. Crack the eggs into the water, turn off the heat and leave for about 6 minutes (for a soft poach). Remove and serve on top of the potato cakes.
Garlic, chilli potatoes with prawns (Serves 2) Price per portion: £2.40 Calories per portion: 265 kcals 2 medium (smooth) potatoes, cut into small chunks 1tbsp oil 2 cloves of garlic, sliced 225g raw tiger prawns, peeled 1 lime, juice and rind removed 1 red chilli, deseeded and finely chopped 2tbsp sweet chilli sauce Knob of butter to serve Handful fresh coriander to serve (optional) Place the potato chunks in a large plastic (microwave proof) bowl. The potatoes will cook quicker if not packed too densely. A bigger bowl with a thinner layer works best.
Rinse the potatoes with water, drain, then place back in the bowl. Cover with a plastic plate or cling film and cook. For a microwave of 800 watts (category E) cook for 5 minutes, but for microwaves of different watts or category adjust the cooking time in accordance with the manufacturer's instructions.
Remove the potatoes from the microwave, shake the bowl, stand for 1 minute and then drain. Season.
Heat the oil in large frying pan or wok then saute the potatoes and garlic for 3-4 minutes until they start to brown. Add the prawns and cook until they change colour from grey to pink. Add the lime juice and rind, chilli and chilli sauce.
Stir through the butter, scatter with coriander then serve.
Italian hot potato salad (Serves 4) Price per portion: £1.01 Calories per portion: 232 kcals 500g new potatoes (salad), scrubbed and cut in half 2tbsp olive oil Seasoning 2 cloves garlic, crushed 1tsp dried oregano 1 red pepper, deseeded and cut into chunks 1 yellow pepper, deseeded and cut into chunks 10 cherry tomatoes 100g mozzarella cheese, roughly torn Preheat the oven to Gas 6/200ºC/400ºF.
Place all of the ingredients (except the cherry tomatoes and cheese) on one or two baking trays and combine the ingredients together to coat. Then, spread the ingredients out into a single layer on the trays.
Cook in the oven for about 30 minutes until tender and golden. Add the cherry tomatoes 5 minutes before the end.
Serve on a bed of mixed salad and herb leaves, scattered with mozzarella.
:: Recipes provided by manyfacesofpotatoes.co.uk, which has teamed up with James Martin to launch a competition to find Britain's best potato recipe. See website for more details

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12 Amazing Appetizers for Football Season
Whether you prefer to brave the cold and tailgate outside your team's stadium or chow down with a few friends at home, these are a few tasty appetizer or mini bite ideas for you to munch on while enjoying the game.
Whether you prefer to brave the cold and tailgate outside your team's stadium or chow down with a few friends at home, these are a few tasty appetizer or mini bite ideas for you to munch on while enjoying the game.
Football season is finally here! Along with football comes all of the great comfort food like sliders, dips and wings we love to enjoy while watching our favorite teams. Nothing says football like a menu full of spicy, finger licking good appetizers!
We've all heard of pigs in a blanket, but these little bites are semi-homemade and look a lot cuter than the version you can buy in your grocer's freezer section.
Individual spicy nachos are an easy way to serve this gooey dish at a party. Instead of buying your cheesy topping, try making your cheese sauce at home!
Mac and cheese is always a comfort food favorite, but serving it at a party can get messy. Try this easy recipe for crunchy, creamy mac and cheese on a stick that you won't be able to get enough of.
You will definitely score a touchdown with your guests if you serve these potato skins with aged cheddar and applewood bacon. Top with sour cream or ranch dressing for a creamy addition.
These savory tomato soup shooters will really add some fun to your football menu and guests will love their mini bites of grilled cheese!
Ever heard of a mini BLT? These bite sized bad boys can be easily made with a few slices of bread and a mini muffin tin.
Layer your ribs with corn and potato to create this intensely delicious bite on a stick. It allows to less mess and you can snack on a great BBQ meal, all in one bite.
An easy football spread with three different kinds of hot peppers and colby jack cheese allows friends to dig in with veggies and crackers.
Sweet and spicy chicken wings are the perfect messy, finger licking appetizer for watching football. We chose to grill up these wings after marinating them in a special mix of apple cider, Worcestershire and spices.
Buffalo chicken dip is the perfect way to kick off any football party. Its amazingly creamy and packs a lot of heat per bite!
For something sweet with a kick, try this recipe for crostini topped with cherry jalapeno relish and slathered in goat cheese.
Little shrimp skewers are an easy way for guest to grab as they go for another beer during half time. This recipe for sauteed ginger shrimp is easy to prep and serve.
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Amare was a diva – there's no questioning that. Amare's exit from Arizona to the Big Apple created a firestorm of excitement last year that has soared expectations. Madison Square Garden has been rejuvenated, and likewise, thousands of "anti-Amare" feelings flooded Facebook posts from Phoenix at the same time. It's given life back to New… Read More →


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One of the best things about summertime in the Lower Hudson Valley is a trip to Playland. Well, we've got four Playland ticket packs to give away. Each pack contains four wrist bands valued at $30 apiece and good all season for a full day of access to rides at the main park and Kiddyland.
So how do you win one? By getting social with LoHud! We want you to use the social network of your choice – Facebook, Twitter, Instagram or Vine – to tell us why you want to win. You can write a tweet or a Facebook status update or you can post a photo or video clip. All methods are acceptable, but we will be looking for the most creative entries. A Dragon Coaster Vine would be impressive, but so would a tweeted haiku in homage to the Log Flume. Oh, and you'll need to like or follow us on the social network you choose for your entry.
Make sure you share your Facebook posts with lohud. On Twitter or Instagram use the hashtag #lohudPlayland. All Instagrams and Vines must be shared on either Twitter or Facebook.
We'll pick a winner each Monday for the next four weeks and publish all the submissions here on LoHud.com, so be creative! The first entries are due by the end of the day Sunday, June 30. We'll pick the first week's winner on Monday, July 1.
Note: Enter as often as you like. There are no prize substitutions, so be sure you can make it to the park if you win. You must own the rights to any photos or videos you submit and permit us to republish as we see fit. We'll contact you via the social network by which you entered and arrange to either mail the passes or have you pick them up at our offices during normal business hours. If we can't reach a winner in a timely fashion, we reserve the right to award prizes to another entrant. For park details: Go to RyePlayland.org.
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A 47-YEAR-old man was jailed after getting 'caught short' and using a town centre toilet.
Magistrates heard James Lee was banned from The Mall shopping centre in Blackburn under the terms of an anti-social behaviour order.
But he breached the order when he suffered stomach cramps and had to go to the toilet, the court heard.
Gareth Price, defending, said Lee asked at several places for permission to use a toilet but had been refused.
He said the case had echoes of that involving the former Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson, who was cleared of driving illegally in 1999 because he told the court he needed the toilet.
Mr Price said: "Stomach cramps can affect even the great and good, Sir Alex Ferguson being an example.
"My client went into The Mall to use the toilets but was caught on CCTV and arrested. There was no suggestion he was behaving in an anti-social behaviour.
"He wasn't being abusive, he wasn't in drink, he was simply caught short in the wrong place."
Lee, of Whalley Banks, Blackburn, pleaded guilty to breach of an anti-social behaviour order. He was jailed for 18 weeks.
Catherine Allan, prosecuting, said the offence occurred within two weeks of Lee being released from a 136-day prison sentence imposed for breach of the same Asbo.
Miss Allen said: "This was a flagrant breach of the order put in place to prevent him causing a nuisance in a public place."


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With two weeks remaining until the 2012 NFL draft kicks off, my final board is taking its final shape, but solidifying my prospect rankings doesn't mean the intrigue is subsiding for NFL teams.
There are still plenty of things up in the air as team needs are adjusted and players make final visits to NFL cities, working out for teams and interviewing with coaches, scouts and front-office personnel.
With that in mind, it's time for my annual scenario-based mock draft. I've broken down the possibilities for every first-round pick based on what I believe would be each team's ideal situation (within reason). That ideal is presented as Scenario 1, with others based on options for filling needs and the players available in this projection.
Some teams -- such as the Colts, Redskins and Buccaneers -- have two clear options, while trades and other considerations give some teams as many as five scenarios.
Here's how I see the first round unfolding as draft day approaches.
* = draft-eligible non-seniors
Indianapolis Colts
Record: 2-14 | Top needs: QB, NT, CB, WR, TE, G, DE, LBAndrew Luck*, QB, Stanford
Scenario 1: Luck is a once-in-a-generation prospect, and adding him is the best option for a team that is starting over in the post-Peyton Manning era.
Scenario 2: The Colts could pull one of the all-time draft surprises and take Baylor QB Robert Griffin III instead, but that doesn't seem likely after Griffin declined to work out for the team.
Washington Redskins (from STL)
Record: 5-11 | Top needs: QB, ILB, ROT, RB, S, CB, C/G, OLBRobert Griffin III*, QB, Baylor
Scenario 1: The Redskins sent three first-round picks to the St. Louis Rams to move into this spot, and Griffin is their target. He's a perfect fit for coach Mike Shanahan's system.
Scenario 2: Should Indianapolis shock the world, Washington would happily settle for Luck.
Minnesota Vikings
Record: 3-13 | Top needs: OT, WR, S, CB, MLB, DT, OLB, DE Matt Kalil*, OT, USC
Scenario 1: The ideal situation for the Vikings would be to get a blockbuster trade offer -- likely from a team looking to get ahead of the Cleveland Browns and draft Texas A&M QB Ryan Tannehill -- that keeps them in the top 10 and adds another first-round pick. That would allow them to get an offensive tackle such as Iowa's Riley Reiff or a receiver such as Notre Dame's Michael Floyd and address another need later in the first round.
Scenario 2: If Minnesota stays home here, it will be able to add a franchise left tackle in Kalil.
Cleveland Browns
Record: 4-12 | Top needs: RB, WR, QB, ROT, OLB, DE, DT, C/GTrent Richardson*, RB, Alabama
Scenario 1: I've said all along that this pick will decide how much of the rest of the first round plays out, and I still feel that way. From an overall standpoint, Richardson ranks ahead of Oklahoma State WR Justin Blackmon and Tannehill, in that order, but from a positional-value standpoint the list would be reversed. The Browns face a tough decision, but Richardson is likely to be the pick.
Scenario 2: Blackmon would offer current QB Colt McCoy the kind of perimeter weapon he has been lacking since entering the league.
Scenario 3: Take Tannehill. It all comes down to how Cleveland feels about Tannehill and his potential, and whether the team is content to stand pat with McCoy and build around him.
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Record: 4-12 | Top needs: RB, CB, OLB, SS, G, TE, ILB, WR Morris Claiborne*, CB, LSU
Scenario 1: Richardson would be the pick if available. The Bucs have LeGarrette Blount, but he has had durability and fumbling issues, and Richardson is the most complete back to enter the draft since Adrian Peterson.
Scenario 2: Claiborne is also one of the five elite prospects in this year's class, and his quickness, fluid hips and ball skills would solidify a secondary that faces questions about Ronde Barber (age) and Aqib Talib (off-field issues). Either way, Tampa Bay gets a top player in a major need area.
St. Louis Rams (from WAS)Record: 2-14 | Top needs: WR, OT, DT, CB, RB, LB, QB, SJustin Blackmon*, WR, Oklahoma State
Scenario 1: If Kalil should somehow slip out of the top five, he's the pick. The same could be said of Richardson, as the heir-apparent to Steven Jackson.
Scenario 2: With Kalil gone, Blackmon's size, hands and playmaking ability would give Rams QB Sam Bradford a top playmaker on the outside.
Scenario 3: There is some buzz about the Rams being open to trading down yet again and acquiring even more picks, because as our draft tiers breakdown shows, if the right player is not available there is a drop-off in talent at this point.
Scenario 4: If Claiborne should fall, he would be a consideration for a team that struggled to defend the pass last season.
Scenario 5: The Rams could opt for the top defensive tackle on the board to fill a big need. In this case that would be Mississippi State's Fletcher Cox, who would bring solid versatility and production to the defensive line.
Jacksonville JaguarsRecord: 5-11 | Top needs: WR, DE, C, ROT, CB, OLB, RB, DTMelvin Ingram, DE/OLB, South Carolina
Scenario 1: If Blackmon should fall this far the Jaguars have to pull the trigger. They've gone far too long without a true No. 1 target in the passing game, and it's hard to fully evaluate second-year QB Blaine Gabbert without proper weapons around him.
Scenario 2: Jacksonville would certainly like to take advantage of a team looking to get ahead of the Miami Dolphins to draft Tannehill. Moving back and adding picks would help a team that has plenty of needs.
Scenario 3: If stuck here, the Jags go with the best available defensive end. General manager Gene Smith likes safer, more proven prospects, so Ingram fits better than North Carolina's Quinton Coples. Ingram is versatile, explosive and shows a knack for making big plays, while Coples has impressive tools but faces questions about his motor and work ethic.
Scenario 4: If he falls in ahead of Ingram on their board, the Jaguars could take Reiff and shore up their offensive line.
Miami DolphinsRecord: 6-10 | Top needs: QB, WR, ROT, S, DE, CB, TE, OLB Ryan Tannehill, QB, Texas A&M
Scenario 1: Tannehill has all kinds of upside with his athleticism and arm talent, and he played under new Miami offensive coordinator Mike Sherman in college. Getting him is the best-case scenario whether the Dolphins stay put or trade up.
Scenario 2: Should Tannehill be off the board, take the best available offensive player. That's Reiff or Floyd in this case. Reiff would offer a nice bookend opposite current LT Jake Long, and Floyd would add a weapon on the outside.
Scenario 3: Opt for the best defensive player remaining on the board. That could include options such as Ingram, Fletcher Cox, Coples, Boston College ILB Luke Kuechly and Alabama S Mark Barron.
Carolina PanthersRecord: 6-10 | Top needs: CB, OLB, WR, OT, DT, G, DEFletcher Cox*, DT, Mississippi State
Scenario 1: Coach Ron Rivera needs an impact D lineman at some point, and Cox's versatility, explosiveness and motor would be put to good use.
Scenario 2: Bolster the defensive line with a defensive end such as Ingram if he should be available.
Scenario 3: Take their highest-rated available player at a position of need, whether that's Reiff, Floyd or South Carolina CB Stephon Gilmore.
Buffalo BillsRecord: 6-10 | Top needs: OT, WR, OLB, CB, QB, TE, ILB, G Riley Reiff*, OT, Iowa
Scenario 1: Reiff falling to this spot is the ideal situation for the Bills, who have not taken an offensive tackle in the first round since selecting Mike Williams fourth overall in 2002. Reiff is technically sound and would help solidify things in front of QB Ryan Fitzpatrick.
Scenario 2: Floyd would be attractive as a physical outside presence opposite current No. 1 receiver Steve Johnson.
Scenario 3: Ignore needs and take advantage of a value pick on defense. Kuechly would offer a good fit in the middle, or if Ingram were available he would bolster the pass rush.
Kansas City ChiefsRecord: 7-9 | Top needs: 3-4 NT, LG, ILB, S, 3-4 OLB, RB, DE, WR/RB/TELuke Kuechly*, ILB, Boston College
Scenario 1: Kuechly is a slam dunk to fill a big need. He can be plugged in next to Derrick Johnson immediately to form one of the best 3-4 inside tandems in the league. He's instinctive, productive and athletic, and he could allow for some scheme versatility.
Scenario 2: Nose tackle is the Chiefs' top need, and Memphis DT Dontari Poe would fit the bill. However, he's likely not the first choice because general manager Scott Pioli prefers proven commodities over prospects with potential. Still, how often does a team get a chance to pick a potentially dominant two-gap nose tackle who can also add some pass-rush potential from the inside.
Scenario 3: Take LSU DT Michael Brockers, who is a better overall player than Poe but who might not be the best fit in the middle in a 3-4.
Scenario 4: Fill a need along the offensive front with Stanford G David DeCastro, who will immediately be one of the best guards in the league.
Scenario 5: Opt for Barron to solidify the secondary.
Seattle SeahawksRecord: 7-9 | Top needs: LB, DE, G/ROT, WR, RB, QB, CB, TEQuinton Coples, DE, North Carolina
Scenario 1: Take Kuechly and bring some stability to a linebacker corps that has seen the likes of Julian Peterson, Aaron Curry, David Hawthorne and others come and go in recent years.
Scenario 2: With Kuechly gone, Coples becomes a value pick at this point and will add a versatile presence who can both pressure the quarterback and hold up against the run when his motor is running high.
Scenario 3: Look to need areas elsewhere on offense with DeCastro or Floyd.
Arizona CardinalsRecord: 8-8 | Top needs: ROT, WR, 3-4 OLB, QB, DE, DB, C/G, ILB Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame
Scenario 1: If Reiff is available, he's the pick. The Cardinals have a big hole at offensive tackle, and Reiff is ready to step in immediately.
Scenario 2: With Reiff gone, Floyd would be a solid complement to Larry Fitzgerald, with the hands and downfield ball skills to take advantage of all the attention Fitzgerald attracts.
Scenario 3: Add a quality prospect who can fill a need at 3-4 outside linebacker. Ingram would be a fit if he were available.
Scenario 4: Bring in the best available defensive lineman, whether they feel that's Poe or Brockers.
Dallas CowboysRecord: 8-8 | Top needs: S, DL, CB, WR, G, RB, OLB, QB Dontari Poe*, DT, Memphis
Scenario 1: Defensive line might not seem like the top need, but Poe is the kind of young, versatile talent defensive coordinator Rob Ryan would like to develop. And with Kenyon Coleman on the downside of his career and Jay Ratliff able to move to 5-technique/DE, Poe would bring some depth and flexibility to the defensive front.
Scenario 2: The Cowboys have been searching for some time for a versatile, do-it-all safety who can be a quarterback in the secondary, so Barron could easily be the pick.
Scenario 3: Bring in Floyd to provide QB Tony Romo with another weapon on the outside.
Scenario 4: Brockers is also an option to upgrade the defensive line.
Scenario 5: The Cowboys need to shore things up at cornerback, and at this point Gilmore would be a good fit.
Philadelphia EaglesRecord: 8-8 | Top needs: LT, S, OLB, DT, QB, RB, TE, DE Mark Barron, S, AlabamaScenario 1: The Eagles would love to see Reiff slip to them here, but that won't happen.
Scenario 2: Barron fills one of Philadelphia's top three needs, and the Eagles have lacked a do-everything, physical presence at safety since Brian Dawkins left town.
Scenario 3: Find a way to get a defensive tackle. The Eagles would like it if Cox were available but might look for a more proven commodity at other positions if Brockers is the top tackle on the board. With Barron, Reiff, Cox and Poe gone in this scenario, that could mean trading back and bringing in a player such as Michigan State DT Jerel Worthy while also adding extra picks.
Scenario 4: Don't rule out Kuechly if he should fall this far. Yes, Philadelphia brought in ILB DeMeco Ryans via trade, but Kuechly might be too good to pass and has the ability to move to the outside.
New York JetsRecord: 8-8 | Top needs: OLB, WR, RT, DE, S, RB, ILB, TE Chandler Jones*, DE, Syracuse
Scenario 1: Ingram is the ideal choice for New York's 3-4 scheme, but he'll be long gone.
Scenario 2: Reiff would fill a big need as well, but he'll also be off the board.
Scenario 3: Add a bigger receiver who can complement Santonio Holmes. However, with Floyd off the board there's no other receiver worth the pick.
Scenario 4: Trade back and find better value at one of the previously mentioned positions later in the first round.
Scenario 5: If the Jets are stuck here, Jones isn't the ideal pick but is a versatile prospect with good length and pass-rush potential, and he's one of the most underrated players in the entire class.
Cincinnati Bengals (from OAK)Record: 9-7 | Top needs: WR, G, SS, CB, DE, RB, OLB, DT David DeCastro*, G, Stanford
Scenario 1: DeCastro is a good value at this point and fills a top need. He can step in right away and help stabilize things in front of second-year QB Andy Dalton.
Scenario 2: If Barron were still on the board, the Bengals would have to think hard about taking him.
Scenario 3: Upgrade at corner with Gilmore.
Scenario 4: Cincinnati could reach for a wide receiver at this point, but is more likely to address that need later in the first round.
San Diego ChargersRecord: 8-8 | Top needs: G, C, S, NT, RT, OLB, DE, RB/WR/TE Cordy Glenn, OT/G, Georgia
Scenario 1: DeCastro would be the ideal solution at guard, but he's off the board in this projection.
Scenario 2: Barron would also fill a need area if he were available.
Scenario 3: The Chargers need to keep QB Philip Rivers upright, and Glenn provides an upgrade over Jeromey Clary at right tackle. He also has the versatility to play guard and offer an upgrade in the running game as well.
Scenario 4: Opt for the top pass-rusher on their board, whether that's USC's Nick Perry or Alabama's Courtney Upshaw.
Chicago BearsRecord: 8-8 | Top needs: LT, CB, DE, LB, TE, DT, G, SStephon Gilmore*, CB, South Carolina
Scenario 1: Gilmore could be a top-15 pick, and while he's still developing in terms of instincts he has the size, athleticism and speed to become a No. 1 corner. And a team that will face Aaron Rodgers and Matthew Stafford four times a year has to be able to cover on the perimeter.
Scenario 2: Upgrade at defensive end with Upshaw, who could add to the pass rush and bolster the run defense.
Scenario 3: Address a need at left tackle with Ohio State's Mike Adams or Stanford's Jonathan Martin.
Scenario 4: If Gilmore is off the board the Bears could choose to address their corner need with Alabama's Dre Kirkpatrick or North Alabama's Janoris Jenkins. There are character concerns with Jenkins, but he has more man-to-man cover skills than Kirkpatrick.
Tennessee TitansRecord: 9-7 | Top needs: CB, LB, S, OT, DE, RB, WR, DT Dre Kirkpatrick*, CB, Alabama
Scenario 1: Cornerback is the team's top need and the Titans would take Gilmore if he were available.
Scenario 2: Kirkpatrick is a good fit in Tennessee's zone-heavy scheme with his size, toughness and instincts.
Scenario 3: Alabama ILB Dont'a Hightower is a possibility. The Titans have a need at the position, and while they like 2011 draft pick Colin McCarthy there is no other inside linebacker worth taking here.
Scenario 4: Take the highest-rated available tackle offensive tackle on their board, whether that's Martin or Adams.
Cincinnati BengalsRecord: 9-7 | Top needs: WR, G, SS, CB, DE, RB, OLB, DT Kendall Wright, WR, Baylor
Scenario 1: Having gotten their guard earlier in the round, Wright fills another big need. He's a dynamic playmaker who can work from the slot or on the outside opposite A.J. Green and take advantage of the attention paid to Green.
Scenario 2: This could be the spot the Bengals address their need at corner, and if any team were going to be comfortable with Jenkins and his baggage it would likely be Cincinnati.
Scenario 3: Trade back, perhaps with a team looking to get ahead of Cleveland and assure itself of getting the quarterback it wants. That would allow the Bengals to move back and fill a need with a better value, such as Miami RB Lamar Miller or Boise State RB Doug Martin or Notre Dame S Harrison Smith.
Cleveland Browns (from ATL)Record: 4-12 | Top needs: RB, WR, QB, RT, OLB, DE, DT, C/G Jonathan Martin*, OT, Stanford
Scenario 1: Cleveland would like to see Wright fall here to give McCoy another playmaker to work with.
Scenario 2: Not taking Tannehill in the top five shows a willingness to build around McCoy, and with Wright gone Martin offers a plug-and-play option who is familiar with the West Coast offense and zone-blocking principles.
Scenario 3: Reach for a second-tier quarterback. However, not taking Tannehill makes it unlikely the Browns would reach for a player like Oklahoma State's Brandon Weeden, who would be a bigger reach and offer significantly less upside at this point.
Detroit LionsRecord: 10-6 | Top needs: CB, LOT/G, LB, DE, RB, C, S, TE Courtney Upshaw, DE/OLB, Alabama
Scenario 1: Upgrade at corner if Gilmore and Kirkpatrick are on the board.
Scenario 2: Take the best available pass-rusher, which in this case is Upshaw. The Lions could continue to build their defensive line as the strength of the team with Upshaw's power and pass-rush ability.
Scenario 3: Detroit needs to keep Stafford upright, and Adams has the size, agility and length teams look for in a left tackle. Consistency is a question, but Adams has top-15 talent, and having a veteran tackle such as Jeff Backus to learn from could help him maximize his talent.
Scenario 4: Fill a need at corner with Jenkins, who would be a gamble but is the second-best cover corner in the draft.
Pittsburgh SteelersRecord: 12-4 | Top needs: OT/G, CB, NT, ILB, RB, S, QB, WRDont'a Hightower*, ILB, Alabama
Scenario 1: Hightower is the perfect fit in Pittsburgh's 3-4 scheme with size, speed and the power to control the interior against the run.
Scenario 2: Add Brockers, cashing in on a top-15 value falling down the board and bringing size and power to the defensive line.
Scenario 3: Fill a need at tackle with the best available player, in this case Adams.
Denver BroncosRecord: 8-8 | Top needs: DT, CB, G/C, RB, WR, QB Michael Brockers*, DT, LSU
Scenario 1: The Broncos have a glaring need in the middle of their defense, and Brockers is a great fit. He's big and powerful and has good tape, and his best football is still ahead of him.
Scenario 2: Jump on Kirkpatrick if he should fall down the board.
Scenario 3: If the defensive players they value are not available, the Broncos could look trade back and pick up extra selections. That could allow them the luxury of taking Peyton Manning's heir apparent (Brock Osweiler?) in the second round while also addressing a need at running back (Boise State's Doug Martin), corner (Jenkins) or defensive tackle (Washington's Alameda Ta'amu).
Houston TexansRecord: 10-6 | Top needs: WR, ROT, ILB, G, CB, 3-2 OLB Stephen Hill*, WR, Georgia Tech
Scenario 1: The Texans would like nothing more than to see Wright fall to them and add a dynamic playmaker opposite Andre Johnson.
Scenario 2: Hightower would also be an attractive option if he were available as a replacement for the departed DeMeco Ryans.
Scenario 3: Hill offers a big, fast option who is raw but could form a dangerous tandem with Johnson.
Scenario 4: Take the best available offensive tackle, in this case Adams, to fill the void left by the release of Eric Winston.
New England Patriots (from N.O.)Record: 13-3 | Top needs: DE, S, DT, G/C, CB, SLB, OT, RB Nick Perry*, DE, USC
Scenario 1: The Patriots need a pass-rusher, and Perry is the best available option in terms of what they are looking for. He's big enough to fit their system, and his instincts would be a welcome addition after the slow development of Jermaine Cunningham.
Scenario 2: Strengthen the defensive line with Brockers or Worthy, who isn't a prototypical two-gap tackle but is quick and explosive and would fit in New England's flexible scheme. Connecticut DT Kendall Reyes could also be an option.
Scenario 3: Look to the future of the offensive line and take Wisconsin C Peter Konz.
Scenario 4: Begin addressing the secondary with Notre Dame S Harrison Smith, who has risen in recent weeks thanks to solid workouts and good film study.
Scenario 5: Even though there is plenty of value at this point, there is always the chance the Patriots will make a move to add extra picks. That could be especially true this year, with the Patriots having six picks in the top 126 overall, but none in Rounds 5-7. They've had success in the later rounds recently (WR Julian Edelman, K Zoltan Mesko, DE Brandon Deaderick), so picking up selections in that area could have benefits.
Green Bay PackersRecord: 15-1 | Top needs: OLB, S, RB, DE, CB, C, QB, TE Andre Branch, DE, Clemson
Scenario 1: Branch has the versatility to play end or outside linebacker in the Packers' versatile scheme, and the Packers desperately need a pass-rusher who can draw some attention away from OLB Clay Matthews.
Scenario 2: Look to another pass-rusher such as Boise State OLB Shea McClellin or Illinois DE Whitney Mercilus.
Scenario 3: If the Packers don't feel good about any of the pass-rushers available, they could trade back and find value at a position of need, perhaps at running back in Miller or Wilson.
Baltimore RavensRecord: 12-4 | Top needs: G, OLB, LOT, DE, ILB, RB Harrison Smith, S, Notre Dame
Scenario 1: The Ravens would likely prefer to trade up or back to get better value. In this class moving back five or six spots and adding an extra pick is the better option because the board is thin at their need positions at this point and the Ravens have not historically been a team that reaches for players.
Scenario 2: Smith has the skill to contribute right away, and he would provide a backup plan in the event Ed Reed's durability issues surface again.
Scenario 3: Guard is a need area, and Wisconsin's Kevin Zeitler fits the Ravens' tough attitude. Northwestern State's Amini Silatolu is a more talented player, but there are questions about his ability to absorb an NFL system and play immediately.
Scenario 4: Add help at linebacker. There is no inside linebacker worth this pick, but McClellin is the kind of versatile front-seven defender Baltimore can't get enough of.
Scenario 5: Left tackle is also a need, and Adams has the tools to come off the board in this range, but he might not have the grind-it-out-mentality the Ravens look for.
San Francisco 49ersRecord: 13-3 | Top needs: G, DE, CB, WR, OLB, TE, S, ILB Kendall Reyes, DT, Connecticut
Scenario 1: San Francisco would love to see Hill drop to this spot and add a dynamic weapon to the passing game.
Scenario 2: Trade out. Defensive linemen such as Ta'amu and Clemson's Brandon Thompson are not worth the pick, but moving back could allow the Niners to fill a need position with a better value, perhaps Zeitler, Silatolu or a 3-4 defensive lineman.
Scenario 3: They could elect to go with the best defender available, meaning they might get comfortable with Jenkins or look to McClellin to bring some pass-rush help opposite Aldon Smith.
Scenario 4: Reyes might not appear on the surface to be the best fit, but he's a smart, versatile player who can pick up the system quickly and inject some youth into an aging defensive front.
New England PatriotsRecord: 13-3 | Top needs: DE, DT, DB, C, SLB, WR Jerel Worthy*, DT, Michigan State
Given the scenarios laid out above, Worthy is the best option in this scenario. His motor runs hot and cold at times, but he has the tools to become a disruptive presence.
New York GiantsRecord: 9-7 | Top needs: OT, RB, LB, DT, DE, S Mike Adams, OT, Ohio State
Scenario 1: Given their need at the position and Adams' impressive natural tools, he's hard to pass up at this point.
Scenario 2: Take advantage of value and make a luxury pick for a player such as Stanford TE Coby Fleener or Nebraska OLB Lavonte David.
Scenario 3: If there are teams looking to get into the back end of the first round (possibly to get a quarterback), the Giants could get a trade that allows them to move out of the pick and still get value at need positions in the second round.
Why so SERIOUS
Full mock he put up today, enjoy.
Complete seven-round mock draft
Scouts Inc. projects all seven rounds of the 2012 NFL draft
Originally Published: April 25, 2012
By Todd McShay, Steve Muench and Kevin Weidl | Scouts Inc.
With the NFL draft about to kick off, Scouts Inc. has gathered all the information, rumors and buzz making the rounds in scouting circles and projects all seven rounds.
Todd McShay will have a final first-round update Thursday morning in the hours leading up to the first overall pick, but here's a look at how we currently match prospects to team needs up and down the board.
Round 1
Pick (OVR) Team Player
1 (1) Indianapolis Colts Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford
2 (2) Washington Redskins (from STL) Robert Griffin III, QB, Baylor
3 (3) Minnesota Vikings Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU
4 (4) Cleveland Browns Trent Richardson, RB, Alabama
5 (5) Tampa Bay Buccaneers Luke Kuechly, ILB, Boston College
6 (6) St. Louis Rams (from WAS) Matt Kalil, OT, USC
7 (7) Jacksonville Jaguars Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State
8 (8) Miami Dolphins Ryan Tannehill, QB, Texas A&M
9 (9) Carolina Panthers Stephon Gilmore, CB, South Carolina
10 (10) Buffalo Bills Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame
11 (11) Kansas City Chiefs Dontari Poe, DT, Memphis
12 (12) Seattle Seahawks Chandler Jones, DE, Syracuse
13 (13) Arizona Cardinals Riley Reiff, OT, Iowa
14 (14) Dallas Cowboys Mark Barron, S, Alabama
15 (15) Philadelphia Eagles Fletcher Cox, DT, Mississippi State
16 (16) New York Jets Melvin Ingram, DE, South Carolina
17 (17) Cincinnati Bengals (from OAK) Michael Brockers, DT, LSU
18 (18) San Diego Chargers David DeCastro, G, Stanford
19 (19) Chicago Bears Quinton Coples, DE, North Carolina
20 (20) Tennessee Titans Dre Kirkpatrick, CB, Alabama
21 (21) Cincinnati Bengals Stephen Hill, WR, Georgia Tech
22 (22) Cleveland Browns (from ATL) Cordy Glenn, OT, Georgia
23 (23) Detroit Lions Jonathan Martin, OT, Stanford
24 (24) Pittsburgh Steelers Dont'a Hightower, ILB, Alabama
25 (25) Denver Broncos Jerel Worthy, DT, Michigan State
26 (26) Houston Texans Kendall Wright, WR, Baylor
27 (27) New England Patriots (from NOR) Shea McClellin, OLB, Boise State
28 (28) Green Bay Packers Whitney Mercilus, DE, Illinois
29 (29) Baltimore Ravens Courtney Upshaw, DE, Alabama
30 (30) San Francisco 49ers Kevin Zeitler, G, Wisconsin
31 (31) New England Patriots Harrison Smith, S, Notre Dame
32 (32) New York Giants Coby Fleener, TE, Stanford
Round 2
Pick (OVR) Team Player
1 (33) St. Louis Rams Doug Martin, RB, Boise State
2 (34) Indianapolis Colts Jeff Allen, OT/G, Illinois
3 (35) Minnesota Vikings Devon Still, DT, Penn State
4 (36) Tampa Bay Buccaneers David Wilson, RB, Virginia Tech
5 (37) Cleveland Browns Brandon Weeden, WR, Oklahoma State
6 (38) Jacksonville Jaguars Vinny Curry, DE, Marshall
7 (39) St. Louis Rams (from WAS) Rueben Randle, WR, LSU
8 (40) Carolina Panthers Amini Silatolu, G, Midwestern State
9 (41) Buffalo Bills Bobby Massie, OT, Mississippi State
10 (42) Miami Dolphins Alshon Jeffery, WR, South Carolina
11 (43) Seattle Seahawks Lavonte David, OLB, Nebraska
12 (44) Kansas City Chiefs Peter Konz, C/G, Wisconsin
13 (45) Dallas Cowboys Janoris Jenkins, CB, North Alabama
14 (46) Philadelphia Eagles Trumaine Johnson, CB, Montana
15 (47) New York Jets Mike Adams, OT, Ohio State
16 (48) New England Patriots (from OAK) Kendall Reyes, DT, Connecticut
17 (49) San Diego Chargers Alameda Ta'amu, DT, Washington
18 (50) Chicago Bears Zach Brown, OLB, North Carolina
19 (51) Philadelphia Eagles (from ARI) Kirk Cousins, QB, Michigan State
20 (52) Tennessee Titans Nick Perry, DE, USC
21 (53) Cincinnati Bengals Josh Robinson, CB, Central Florida
22 (54) Detroit Lions Dwight Bentley, CB, La.-Lafayette
23 (55) Atlanta Falcons Derek Wolfe, DT, Cincinnati
24 (56) Pittsburgh Steelers Mitchell Schwartz, OT, California
25 (57) Denver Broncos Brock Osweiler, QB, Arizona State
26 (58) Houston Texans Andre Branch, DE, Clemson
27 (59) Green Bay Packers Lamar Miller, RB, Miami
28 (60) Baltimore Ravens Brandon Taylor, S, LSU
29 (61) San Francisco 49ers Bruce Irvin, OLB, West Virginia
30 (62) New England Patriots Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
31 (63) New York Giants A.J. Jenkins, WR, Illinois
Round 3
Pick (OVR) Team Player
1 (64) Indianapolis Colts Brandon Thompson, DT, Clemson
2 (65) St. Louis Rams Josh Norman, CB, Coastal Carolina
3 (66) Minnesota Vikings Brian Quick, WR, Appalachian State
4 (67) Cleveland Browns Ty Hilton, WR, FIU
5 (68) Tampa Bay Buccaneers Jayron Hosley, CB, Virginia Tech
6 (69) Washington Redskins Mychal Kendricks, ILB, California
7 (70) Jacksonville Jaguars Kelechi Osemele, G, Iowa State
8 (71) Buffalo Bills Nick Foles, QB, Arizona
9 (72) Miami Dolphins Zebrie Sanders, OT, Florida State
10 (73) Miami Dolphins (from CAR through CHI) Ronnell Lewis, OLB, Oklahoma
11 (74) Kansas City Chiefs Bobby Wagner, ILB, Utah State
12 (75) Seattle Seahawks Brandon Brooks, G, Miami (Ohio)
13 (76) Houston Texans (from PHI) Dwayne Allen, TE, Clemson
14 (77) New York Jets Trevor Guyton, DE, California
15 (78) San Diego Chargers Lamichael James, RB, Oregon
16 (79) Chicago Bears Jamell Fleming, CB, Oklahoma
17 (80) Arizona Cardinals Olivier Vernon, DE, Miami
18 (81) Dallas Cowboys Joe Adams, WR, Arkansas
19 (82) Tennessee Titans Chris Givens, WR, Wake Forest
20 (83) Cincinnati Bengals Markelle Martin, S, Oklahoma State
21 (84) Atlanta Falcons Orson Charles, TE, Georgia
22 (85) Detroit Lions Demario Davis, OLB, Arkansas State
23 (86) Pittsburgh Steelers Isaiah Pead, RB, Cincinnati
24 (87) Denver Broncos Brandon Boykin, CB, Georgia
25 (88) Philadelphia Eagles (from HOU) Chris Polk, RB, Washington
26 (89) New Orleans Saints Mike Martin, DT, Michigan
27 (90) Green Bay Packers Ron Brooks, CB, LSU
28 (91) Baltimore Ravens Joe Looney, G, Wake Forest
29 (92) San Francisco 49ers Tyrone Crawford, DE, Boise State
30 (93) New England Patriots James Brown, G, Troy
31 (94) New York Giants Robert Turbin, RB, Utah State
32 (95) Oakland Raiders (compensatory) Cam Johnson, DE, Virginia
Round 4
Pick (OVR) Team Player
1 (96) St. Louis Rams Mike Daniels, DT, Iowa
2 (97) Indianapolis Colts Alfonzo Dennard, CB, Nebraska
3 (98) Minnesota Vikings Antonio Allen, S, South Carolina
4 (99) Houston Texans (from TAM through PHI) Adam Gettis, G, Iowa
5 (100) Cleveland Browns Nigel Bradham, OLB, Florida State
6 (101) Jacksonville Jaguars Leonard Johnson, CB, Iowa State
7 (102) Washington Redskins Michael Egnew, TE, Missouri
8 (103) Miami Dolphins Jonathan Massaquoi, DE, Troy
9 (104) Carolina Panthers Billy Winn, DT, Boise State
10 (105) Buffalo Bills Taylor Thompson, DE, SMU
11 (106) Seattle Seahawks Nick Toon, WR, Wisconsin
12 (107) Kansas City Chiefs Tony Bergstrom, OT/G, Utah
13 (108) Denver Broncos (from NYJ) Bernard Pierce, RB, Temple
14 (109) Washington Redskins (from OAK) Brandon Mosley, OT, Auburn
15 (110) San Diego Chargers Ben Jones, C, Georgia
16 (111) Chicago Bears Brandon Hardin, S, Oregon State
17 (112) Arizona Cardinals Ryan Broyles, WR, Oklahoma
18 (113) Dallas Cowboys Akiem Hicks, DT, Regina (Canada)
19 (114) Philadelphia Eagles George Iloka, S, Boise State
20 (115) Tennessee Titans Miles Burris, OLB, San Diego State
21 (116) Cincinnati Bengals Ladarius Green, TE, La.-Lafayette
22 (117) Detroit Lions James-michael Johnson, ILB, Nevada
23 (118) Cleveland Browns (from ATL) Sean Prater, CB, Iowa
24 (119) Pittsburgh Steelers De'quan Menzie, CB, Alabama
25 (120) Denver Broncos Keshawn Martin, WR, Michigan State
26 (121) Houston Texans Markus Zusevics, OT, Iowa
27 (122) New Orleans Saints Philip Blake, C, Baylor
28 (123) Green Bay Packers Russell Wilson, QB, Wisconsin
29 (124) Buffalo Bills (from BAL) Sean Spence, OLB, Miami
30 (125) San Francisco 49ers Chase Minnifield, CB, Virginia
31 (126) New England Patriots Edwin Baker, RB, Michigan State
32 (127) New York Giants Matt Reynolds, OT, BYU
33 (128) Minnesota Vikings (compensatory) Terrell Manning, OLB, N.C. State
34 (129) Oakland Raiders (compensatory) Kyle Wilber, OLB, Wake Forest
35 (130) Baltimore Ravens (compensatory) Danny Coale, WR, Virginia Tech
36 (131) New York Giants (compensatory) Charles Mitchell, S, Mississippi
37 (132) Green Bay Packers (compensatory) Jared Crick, DE, Nebraska
38 (133) Green Bay Packers (compensatory) Phillip Thomas, S, Syracuse
39 (134) Minnesota Vikings (compensatory) Mohamed Sanu, WR, Rutgers
40 (135) Dallas Cowboys (compensatory) James Hanna, TE, Oklahoma
Round 5
Pick (OVR) Team Player
1 (136) Indianapolis Colts Marvin Jones, WR, California
2 (137) Denver Broncos (from STL) David Molk, C, Michigan
3 (138) Minnesota Vikings Tom Compton, OT, South Dakota
4 (139) Cleveland Browns Jake Bequette, DE, Arkansas
5 (140) Tampa Bay Buccaneers Tauren Poole, RB, Tennessee
6 (141) Washington Redskins Ryan Steed, CB, Furman
7 (142) Jacksonville Jaguars Tank Carder, OLB, TCU
8 (143) Carolina Panthers Darius Fleming, OLB, Notre Dame
9 (144) Buffalo Bills Justin Bethel, CB/S, Presbyterian
10 (145) Miami Dolphins Kelcie Mccray, S, Arkansas State
11 (146) Kansas City Chiefs Rhett Ellison, TE/FB, USC
12 (147) Buffalo Bills (from SEA) Jarius Wright, WR, Arkansas
13 (148) Oakland Raiders Asa Jackson, S, Cal-Poly
14 (149) San Diego Chargers Trevin Wade, CB, Arizona
15 (150) Chicago Bears Marvin Mcnutt, WR, Iowa
16 (151) Arizona Cardinals Josh Chapman, DT, Alabama
17 (152) Dallas Cowboys Senio Kelemete, G, Washington
18 (153) Philadelphia Eagles Keenan Robinson, OLB, Texas
19 (154) New York Jets Tommy Streeter, WR, Miami
20 (155) Tennessee Titans Ronnie Hillman, RB, San Diego State
21 (156) Cincinnati Bengals Frank Alexander, DE, Oklahoma
22 (157) Atlanta Falcons Tj Graham, WR, NC State
23 (158) Detroit Lions Jamie Blatnick, DE, Oklahoma State
24 (159) Pittsburgh Steelers Brandon Washington, G, Miami
25 (160) Cleveland Browns (from DEN) Dajohn Harris, DT, USC
26 (161) Houston Texans Trent Robinson, S, Michigan State
27 (162) New Orleans Saints Coty Sensabaugh, CB, Clemson
28 (163) Green Bay Packers Michael Brewster, C, Ohio State
29 (164) Baltimore Ravens Michael Smith, RB, Utah State
30 (165) San Francisco 49ers Devier Posey, WR, Ohio State
31 (166) Cincinnati Bengals (from NE) Travis Lewis, OLB, Oklahoma
32 (167) Cincinnati Bengals (from NYG) Andrew Tiller, G, Syracuse
33 (168) Oakland Raiders (compensatory) Loni Fangupo, DT, BYU
34 (169) Baltimore Ravens (compensatory) Malik Jackson, DE, Tennessee
35 (170) Indianapolis Colts (compensatory) Lavon Brazill, WR, Ohio
Round 6
Pick (OVR) Team Player
1 (171) St. Louis Rams Jaye Howard, DT, Florida
2 (172) Philadelphia Eagles (from IND) Nate Potter, OT, Boise State
3 (173) Washington Redskins (from MIN) Josh Leribeus, G, SMU
4 (174) Tampa Bay Buccaneers Winston Guy, S, Kentucky
5 (175) Minnesota Vikings (from CLE) Keith Tandy, CB, West Virginia
6 (176) Jacksonville Jaguars Marcus Forston, DT, Miami
7 (177) Arizona Cardinals (from WAS) Adrien Robinson, TE, Cincinnati
8 (178) Buffalo Bills Audie Cole, ILB, NC State
9 (179) New Orleans Saints (from MIA) Brett Roy, DE, Nevada
10 (180) Carolina Panthers Rishard Matthews, WR, Nevada
11 (181) Seattle Seahawks Eddie Pleasant, S, Oregon
12 (182) Kansas City Chiefs Sean Richardson, S, Vanderbilt
13 (183) San Diego Chargers Bryce Harris, OT, Fresno State
14 (184) Chicago Bears Jeff Adams, OT, Columbia
15 (185) Arizona Cardinals Robert Blanton, S, Notre Dame
16 (186) Dallas Cowboys Chris Rainey, RB, Florida
17 (187) New York Jets (from PHI through IND) Vick Ballard, RB, Mississippi State
18 (188) Denver Broncos (from NYJ) Rennie Moore, DE, Clemson
19 (189) Oakland Raiders Lucas Nix, G, Pittsburgh
20 (190) Tennessee Titans Christian Thompson, CB, South Carolina State
21 (191) Cincinnati Bengals Travis Benjamin, WR, Miami
22 (192) Atlanta Falcons Josh Kaddu, OLB, Oregon
23 (193) Pittsburgh Steelers Johnny Thomas, S, Oklahoma State
24 (194) Philadelphia Eagles (from DEN) Devon Wylie, WR, Fresno State
25 (195) Houston Texans Emmanuel Acho, ILB, Texas
26 (196) Miami Dolphins (from N.O.) Pat Edwards, WR, Houston
27 (197) Green Bay Packers Andrew Datko, OT, Florida State
28 (198) Baltimore Ravens Janzen Jackson, S, McNeese State
29 (199) San Francisco 49ers Juron Criner, WR, Arizona
30 (200) Philadelphia Eagles (from N.E.) Ryan Miller, G, Colorado
31 (201) New York Giants Vontaze Burfict, ILB, Arizona State
32 (202) New York Jets (compensatory) Omar Bolden, CB, Arizona State
33 (203) New York Jets (compensatory) Rokevious Watkins, G, South Carolina
34 (204) Cleveland Browns (compensatory) Coryell Judie, Texas A&M
35 (205) Cleveland Browns (compensatory) Antoine McClain, G, Clemson
36 (206) Indianapolis Colts (compensatory) Evan Rodriguez, TE, Temple
37 (207) Carolina Panthers (compensatory) Jack Crawford, DE, Penn State
Round 7
Pick (OVR) Team Player
1 (208) Indianapolis Colts Deangelo Peterson, TE, LSU
2 (209) St. Louis Rams Dwight Jones, WR, North Carolina
3 (210) Minnesota Vikings Rishaw Johnson, G, California (Pa.)
4 (211) Cleveland Browns B.J. Cunningham, WR, Michigan State
5 (212) Tampa Bay Buccaneers Shawn Loiseau, ILB, Merrimack
6 (213) Washington Redskins Terrance Ganaway, RB, Baylor
7 (214) Indianapolis Colts (from JAC through NYJ) Kheeston Randall, DT, Texas
8 (215) Miami Dolphins Jacquies Smith, G, Missouri
9 (216) Carolina Panthers Aaron Henry, S, Wisconsin
10 (217) Buffalo Bills Desmond Wynn, G, Rutgers
11 (218) Kansas City Chiefs Cyrus Gray, RB, Texas A&M
12 (219) Detroit Lions (from SEA) Dan Herron, RB, Ohio State
13 (220) Chicago Bears Vaughn Meatoga, DT, Hawaii
14 (221) Arizona Cardinals Derek Dimke, PK, Illinois
15 (222) Dallas Cowboys Tim Fugger, OLB, Vanderbilt
16 (223) Minnesota Vikings (from PHI through NE) Tyler Nielsen, OLB, Iowa
17 (224) Green Bay Packers (from NYJ) Greg Childs, WR, Arkansas
18 (225) Seattle Seahawks (from OAK) Najee Goode, ILB, West Virginia
19 (226) San Diego Chargers Scott Solomon, DE, Rice
20 (227) Tennessee Titans Bradley Sowell, OT, Mississippi
21 (228) Jacksonville Jaguars (from CIN) William Vlachos, C, Alabama
22 (229) Atlanta Falcons Cliff Harris, CB, Oregon
23 (230) Detroit Lions Duke Ihenacho, S, San Jose State
24 (231) Pittsburgh Steelers Marcel Jones, OT, Nebraska
25 (232) New York Jets (from DEN) Brandon Marshall, LB, Nevada
26 (233) Houston Texans Emil Igwenagu, FB, Massachusetts
27 (234) New Orleans Saints Kellen Moore, QB, Boise State
28 (235) Green Bay Packers Brandon Lindsey, OLB, Pittsburgh
29 (236) Baltimore Ravens Ronald Leary, G, Memphis
30 (237) San Francisco 49ers Brandon Bolden, RB, Mississippi
31 (238) Kansas City Chiefs (from NE) Tony Dye, S, UCLA
32 (239) New York Giants Deangelo Tyson, DE, Georgia
33 (240) Pittsburgh Steelers (compensatory) Matt Conrath, DE, Virginia
34 (241) Green Bay (compensatory) Chris Owusu, WR, Stanford
35 (242) New York Jets (compensatory) George Bryan, TE, NC State
36 (243) Green Bay Packers (compensatory) Davin Meggett, RB, Maryland
37 (244) New York Jets (compensatory) Junior Hemingway, WR, Michigan
38 (245) Cleveland Browns (compensatory) Markus Kuhn, DT, NC State
39 (246) Pittsburgh Steelers (compensatory) Jermaine Kearse, WR, Washington
40 (247) Cleveland Browns (compensatory) Bradie Ewing, FB, Wisconsin
41 (248) Pittsburgh Steelers (compensatory) Kevin Koger, TE, Michigan
42 (249) Atlanta Falcons (compensatory) Jonas Gray, RB, Notre Dame
43 (250) San Diego Chargers (compensatory) Donnie Fletcher, CB, Boston College
44 (251) Buffalo Bills (compensatory) Jordan White, WR, Western Michigan
45 (252) St. Louis Rams Drew Butler, PT, Georgia
46 (253) Indianapolis Colts Caleb McSurdy, ILB, Montana
Why so SERIOUS
I saw Polian on Sportscenter earlier today on a panel discussing the Colts draft. He didn't seem to like this pick. He argued that you could get guards in the 4th round and below. But did any of the guards he drafted late ever pan out? He needs to look at his own track record of drafting guards. You would think he would realize it wasn't working if every year we were addressing the same need.2 (34) Indianapolis Colts Jeff Allen, OT/G, Illinois
I do think the Allen kid has a chance to be a top NFL lineman though if he can get his footwork together, from what I have heard, I would not be to sad about the pick not sexy at all but if you have a strong line then you really open up your offense both running and passing.
Why so SERIOUS
Do you trade up to get get Fleener if he's only 3 picks away?
Honestly, I won't care if we go O-line all 7 rounds. You gotta keep Luck safe, period.
man i really want Fleener and Luck together
Why ?
i wont be shattered if we dont get fleener id rather Janoris Jenkins at 34 if he is there
Ya Jenkins is incarceration waiting to happen.
I too would be interested in Fleener... for whatever reason, I feel like getting Luck a good TE that he trusts would be huge for this team and for Luck's development. TE play was so crucial to Indy over the past decade, as well as Stanford during Luck's tenure. They have us selecting a TE in the 7th round....
Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 04-25-2012 at 10:59 PM.
There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.
And also in the 6th round.
Round 6
Pick (OVR) Team Player
36 (206) Indianapolis Colts (compensatory) Evan Rodriguez, TE, Temple
Round 7
Pick (OVR) Team Player
1 (208) Indianapolis Colts Deangelo Peterson, TE, LSU
Ladarius Green is the tight end i want
Also, Wayne won't burn anyone, but he still can create separation, on a lot of routes and bring in passes, his hands are still there, and with Luck passing, he should have a lot of nice placed balls to bring in, but yeah ya never now until the season starts. Hopefully he still has it this season.
Why so SERIOUS
2. Mike Adams - not liking this pick either. Konz is there and the Colts need a C. Konz and Luck can work together and be the next Manning/Saturday dou.
I might also be in the minority, but Janoris Jenkins, top 15 talent, is a high risk/high reward. I think he'd be worth it. We need a CB bad and he's got talent. I don't like many of the CB after the 2nd round. We'll miss out on Trumaine, Robinson and Hayward will all be gone.
3rd round - Brandon Thompson? He's not even a NT
How do you pass on Osemele (predicted 2nd rounder) or Dwyane Allen?
4. Dennard - not a fan. Chapman would be better (he has him going in the 5th). Or take Marvin Jones here and Chapman at the top of the 5th.
5th - Marvin Jones - Like, great value if he drops this far
5th (comp) Lavon Brazill?? No, give me Greg Childs (no way he goes in the 7th)
6th (comp) Rodriguez - Great value here if we didn't get Allen earlier.
7. Another TE? Meh. Sammy Brown OLB
7 Comp - Derek Moye WR/Greg McCoy CB/PR
First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.
Preach it man. I've been saying it this whole time. Won't matter how much talent we get if we don't have an O-Line to protect Luck.
Zeitler, Osemele or Konz in the second. Ja Jenkins is so tempting though.
First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.