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AnandTech Tests GPU Accelerated Flash 10.1 Prereleaseby Anand Lal Shimpi on 11/19/2009 12:00 AM EST
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Olen Ahkcre - Monday, January 11, 2010 - linkThis article is totally off base...
Flash video playback pausing frequently isn't caused by the Flash player. It's cause by the server being overloaded with too many requests.
GPU acceleration is for playing back Flash _CONTENT_, not Flash video (FLV).
The reason being some apps created using Flash place an unusual amount of load on the CPU.
If you think GPU accelerated Flash has anything to do with video playback, I think you might be seriously confused.
modulo - Tuesday, March 02, 2010 - linkThis article makes ANANDTECH, look like a bunch of apple swilling morons.
Hello ANANDTECH, did you know that 95% of the worlds computers still use windows? Probably not, which is why you put an article like this using a MAC, on a website 90% dedicated to PC hardware. And what is there to know about mac anyway? RUMOR RUMORS RUMORS, being a mac"enthusiast" is all about how much shit you can talk, how many rumors you can start, and how hard you would suck steve jobs cock if he put it in your mouth.
Flash, is a fabulous technology that makes 10 million different things possible on the web that would NOT HAPPEN without it. OK, and interestingly, this article advocates turning on an adblocker, for their own website!!! If I was a sponsor of this website I would demand to have my motherf***inh money back.
LOL, now you noobie losers want to complain because your computers are slow, go talk to your grandma about how long it takes her to have a bowel movement, THAT is slow. Reply
TravisO - Tuesday, April 06, 2010 - linkOn Flash 10.1 video _IS_ GPU accelerated but there is a catch, only H.264 video is GPU accelerated but the old FLV video is not. Here's the text from the 10.1 release notes:
H.264 video hardware decoding
Flash Player 10.1 introduces hardware-based H.264 video decoding to deliver smooth, high quality
video with minimal overhead across mobile devices and PCs. Using available hardware to decode video offloads tasks from the CPU, improving video playback performance, reducing system resource utilization, and preserving battery life.
PS: Keep in mind you must use a supported video card to be accelerated, which means only GPUs invented these past two years approximately, virtually nothing from Intel is supported except the new Core i CPUs with the integrated GPU, if you have a Netbook you're screwed unless you have an Ion chipset. Reply
Xmister - Saturday, April 17, 2010 - linkYou should get some information before starting to write bull***t.
"Flash video playback pausing frequently isn't caused by the Flash player. It's cause by the server being overloaded with too many requests. "
You think they are so stupid, that can't see the difference of buffer-loading and framedrops?!
"GPU acceleration is for playing back Flash _CONTENT_, not Flash video (FLV). "
The GPU accelerated flash's main point is H.264 decoding, and all the HD flash videos are now H.264 encoded(on youtube non-HD too).
"The reason being some apps created using Flash place an unusual amount of load on the CPU."
And what do you think, what amount of load an HD video places on the CPU? I'll help you a bit: a lot.
"If you think GPU accelerated Flash has anything to do with video playback, I think you might be seriously confused. "
You are seriously confused, clear the lot irrelevant information from your head, and get some relevant. I could only advise this whenever you want to comment on anything. Reply
coachingjoy - Sunday, November 29, 2009 - linkIs flash worth the install when advertisements are taken into account? Reply
Sunagwa - Saturday, November 21, 2009 - linkI don't understand the problem. I have a Core 2 Duo @ 3.8Ghz and I use Hulu all the freaking time with absolutly no problems whatsoever. Reply
JarredWalton - Saturday, November 21, 2009 - linkExactly. You have a high end system that can do all the video decoding in software on the CPU without problems. Not everyone has that. (And OS X is a different beast, apparently, at least as far as Flash is concerned.) Reply
Sunagwa - Saturday, November 21, 2009 - linkI see, my bad I guess I didn't really consider my CPU to be high end. The system he mentions at the beggining sounded pretty powerful though I have never run anything but windows so I may be wrong... Reply
JarredWalton - Saturday, November 21, 2009 - linkI should clarify: it may not be high-end by today's standards (what with Core i7), but a moderate ~2.0GHz Core 2 Duo can handle 1080p video decoding in software (albeit at high CPU utilization). It's really more of a question of laptops and even then more netbooks and nettops. And Flash optimizations are of course also important - I've seen Flash choke other laptops with Intel IGPs on older Flash revisions, but 10.0 does much better. Reply
dicobalt - Saturday, November 21, 2009 - linkYou guys misunderstand what I was saying. I can play 1080 video just fine, HULU, WMV, MP4, MOV, whatever. I am unable to play 1080 smoothly when I have the Folding@Home GPU client running, that's the only time I have trouble with it (and standard def video too). Though it was working fine on Vista before I installed Win7.
Most of the time when I am playing HD video files CPU usage is about 28-48% on the most loaded core.
BTW since I updated to Nvidia drivers to 195.55 now Firefox is no longer crashing on YouTube videos with Flash 10.1 installed. Seems to me that Nvidia was not ready for Win7 with their drivers, they got a lot going on right now. Reply
JarredWalton - Saturday, November 21, 2009 - linkI stopped messing with Folding when I started doing the calculations for how much it was costing me in electricity (and a few pieces of failed hardware). Plus, the GPU client in particular always seemed to slow down system responsiveness. If you want to multitask GPU intensive applications, I think we're still deep in the driver update stages (whether ATI or NVIDIA). Give it another year... LOL. Reply
dicobalt - Friday, November 20, 2009 - linkI have been using Flash 10.1 for the last few days and it seems to crash Firefox in an Nvidia dll. All while using YouTube. Downgraded to the stable release and all is well again. Using Win7 driver 190.38 because newer drivers cause Flash to freeze video up for a half second for every every 10 seconds of video.
How I wish Flash would die...
PS. Adobe too. Reply
JarredWalton - Friday, November 20, 2009 - linkMy testing on the ION LE was with Win7 and I didn't have any problems. Can you list details of exactly what hardware you're running on? Also, I believe the 195.55 drivers from NVIDIA are part of the requirements for this to work optimally (though if it's just DXVA that shouldn't be true). Reply
dicobalt - Friday, November 20, 2009 - linke6300 / gigabyte-p35-dq6 4gb ram / 9600GT
I have not yet tried the 195.55 drivers, those are still beta but I will give it a try. I was also having problems with the new Nvidia drivers not load balancing gpu folding@home while playing videos. The drivers in Vista would allow me to run gpu folding@home and playback a 1080 video without any frames skipping. None of the Win7 drivers allow me to do this so far. Reply
JarredWalton - Friday, November 20, 2009 - linkI would assume you're probably overclocking as well? Most people with something like an E6300 do that. Anyway, you might need to try several combinations, and with this beta software (and beta drivers) I wouldn't count on load balancing of multiple GPU applications. Reply
dicobalt - Friday, November 20, 2009 - linkThe CPU from 1.86 to 2.8GHz yea, GPU is stock 650Mhz, all works ok in Vista though. I did just install the 195.55 drivers and it's not as severe as a problem with folding and 1080 video but it is still too much dropping to make it watchable. So far YouTube has not caused Firefox to crash yet, that usually takes some time though, it doesn't happen right away. These drivers need some more work and Flash needs to reach a final version so that Nvidia can fix Adobe's screwups lol Reply
Halcyon666 - Friday, November 20, 2009 - linkWill the 10.1 prerelease help with flash games like the SPAM on facebook? or is it just for flashed video? Reply
JarredWalton - Friday, November 20, 2009 - linkCurrently this is targeting video, but Adobe doesn't rule out the possibility of improving other Flash applications in the future. Reply
7Enigma - Friday, November 20, 2009 - linkAnand I've got to be honest, I'm not liking the new trend of reposting an old article with a small update. It is difficult to find since you have to go through the article to find the updated information, and the comments section becomes jumbled up with old posts and new posts.
Please go back to the old way of posting a small updated blog post with a link to the original article for those that didn't read it originally, or would like to read it again.
For your faithful readers, it's not a small annoyance. Reply
JarredWalton - Friday, November 20, 2009 - linkActually, the update was by me. I also tried to make it very clear, seeing that the page is labeled with "AMD and Intel Update". I could have done it as a blog, true, and perhaps next time I will. Reply
LoneWolf15 - Thursday, November 19, 2009 - linkAt work, our systems with discrete graphics use Radeon 2400 class GPUs. A few workstations use NV40 or NV41-based Quadro cards.
Is there any chance Adobe will go a little further back in their support? We only update every 3-5 years, and it seems like there are a lot more GPUs that could be capable of this (e.g., Geforce 6/7 series, Radeon X16 and up, etc.). Reply
JarredWalton - Thursday, November 19, 2009 - linkI'm pretty sure you need a GPU with VP1/VP2 from the NVIDIA world, which means GeForce 8800 GT as a bare minimum. GF6/7 users are out of luck as far as H.264 video decode acceleration. Reply
NX3 - Thursday, November 19, 2009 - linkAMD IGP 3200 (780g) with Cats 9.11 + beta Flash 10.1 + Firefox
BBC iPlayer HD, its definetly working as cpu usage is way down below 30% from 80-100% for the same episode of Top Gear.
YouTube HD, its not working at all as CPU time is still 80-100%, even after following the advice in the article. Reply
ira176 - Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - linkJust because us HD3870 owners only have UVD (1) doesn't mean we should be left out of the GPU acceleration. I hope Adobe adds support for for those cards, as they have h264 acceleration as well and should be more than powerful enough. Reply
jmurbank - Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - linkThe Linux version of the latest Flash player plugin (10.1) still does not use the GPU at all even though Adobe said it works. From reading their blogs about them implementing OpenGL for acceleration, it still seems that Adobe does not include extras correctly or they fail to understand how stuff should work. The following is what Adobe tried doing and failed to handle OpenGL correctly.
I even tried using other web browsers and it still does not do what you said it should. I also included the following lines in /etc/adobe/mms.cnf.
WindowlessDisable = 1
OverrideGPUValidation = 1
Adobe needs to get their act together and understand that they need to make a more efficient plug-in and does better checks. Using OpenGL and VA API does not help to provide efficiency. It just puts a band-aid. How come Xara can make (a lot) more efficient vector graphics program compared to Adobe.
Flash player plug-in version 9 was better while 10 has gotten horrible. If I watched any videos on Hulu with version 10.0, frames skips all the time and with out any programs or windows open. If I use 10.1 with Hulu, it is the same. I know it is a beta version, but it is still poor. Sure Linux is the only OS that contains a 64-bit version of the Adobe Flash player plug-in, but from I heard or read that it still is poor or has no noticable increase in performance.
My computer contains T7300 and a GeForce8 8400M GS. It decodes H.264 fine with the help with VDPAU (nVidia's way of VA API) and it helps by a huge CPU usage reduction that is around 10% instead of 100% by just the processor alone decode. Flash player plug-in 10.0 or 10.1 is around a crazy CPU usage around 120%. Does anybody think that Adobe is doing things right because I do not think so. Reply
ZPedro - Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - linkOkay, I must admit that as a longtime Mac user, I was skeptical of the claimed performance improvements on the Mac; Macromedia/Adobe never optimized Flash on the Mac in a satisfying way, and if you combine that with the fact that, up until recently, I was using the original MacBook, so the fan would kick in at the first YouTube video… I was not going to suddenly start trusting Adobe. So I measured.
Contrary to Anand, I'm not going to concentrate on video, as to me Flash is a superfluous middleman in the web video equation, and I can't wait to get rid of it (there's also the fact I don't have access to Hulu). However, I have a healthy respect of Flash as a way to create and deliver (interactive) content. So here are my tests.
- A: 1 group and 9 Dailymotion videos playing at the same time (cacophony!)
- B: the same, but all videos paused (including the three flash ads)
- C: YouTube HD video playback ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TdaoOluq0A">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TdaoOluq0A )
- D: The same YouTube HD video in fullscreen playback
- E: Scrolling Strong Bad emails ( http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail.html">http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail.html )
- F: Playback of Strong Bad email: Dragon (aka Trogdor, at http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail58.html">http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail58.html )
- G: Playback of Ultimate Showdown ( http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/ultimate+showdow...">http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/ultimate+showdow... )
- H: Playback of Magical Trevor 3 ( http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/magical+trevor+3...">http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/magical+trevor+3... )
- I: Playback of Internet Killed the Video Star ( http://www.koreus.com/files/200407/internet_killed...">http://www.koreus.com/files/200407/internet_killed... ) at the size it was intended: 540x330
- J: The same, this time the flash file opened directly and as big as possible given the Safari chrome on a 1680x1050 screen.
- K: Game of Magenta Kong ( http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Magenta-Kong.aspx">http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Magenta-Kong.aspx )
CPU is the processor usage percent of the WebKitPluginHost process for Flash of 64-bit Safari as reported by top (you'll remember that on Mac/Unix, 100% means one core fully used, my machine only maxes up at 400%, so it's normal there is stuff that's more than 100%), either interactively or (for fullscreen and Magenta Kong cases) logged to a file. Tests performed on a Mac pro early 2009 (aka Nehalem) single proc (4 core) with Mac OS X 10.6.2, Safari, and Shockwave Flash 10.0 r32 ("10.0"), Shockwave Flash 10.1 d51 ("10.1"). Scientific accuracy not guaranteed. Less CPU used is obviously better.
A: with 10.0, 200% CPU; with 10.1, 230-250% CPU (yep, a regression)
B: with 10.0, 15-30%; same with 10.1
C: with 10.0, 50-60% with one peak to 84%; with 10.1, 30-40% with one peak to 47%
D: with 10.0, 36% with one peak to 62%; with 10.1, 25-33% with one peak to 43%
E: with 10.0 max 60%; with 10.1 max 40%
F: with 10.0 mean 10%, max usually 15%, peaked to 17%, with 10.1 barely touched 10% at worst
G: with 10.0 around 30% but a busy time peaked 66%; with 10.1 20-25% but the busy time peaked 57%
H: with 10.0 max 100%; with 10.1 max 82%
I: with 10.0 max 50%; with 10.1 max 32%
J: with 10.0 max 163%: with 10.1 max 92%
K: Due to different playthroughs, could not compare CPU usage; however, the game felt more fluid with 10.1; I'd need to do a double blind to be sure.
So yeah. Overall, it's a definitive improvement. I think it could be made better still, but an effort has definitely been made. Not bad Adobe. Not bad.
Note: This "benchmark" needs more Flash games, but I'm no specialist. Suggestions? Reply
SnM77 - Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - linkHulu improved dramatically! Sadly, I do nto have an application monitoring FPS, but the same SD video clip that played with 90 to 95 percent CPU on my Dell GX280 with XP Media center edition and Flash 10.0, play with CPU use of between 35 and 40 percent with flash 10.1.
I was running this out to my Samsung LCD TV over HDMI. I also trie don a different 280 running a 1440x900 monitor on an OLD 1950 ATI card, it made no difference.
One odd thing I noted - video was much smoother with 10.1, but it was like someone turned up the contrast a bit too high and the SD video was very grainy. Also, the color washed out a bit on the particular clip i was watching. But it was now watchable. I will play with Catalyst driver settings tonight to see if that makes any difference, and also see if I can test HD. I may have missed it, but what software can I use to actually measure FPS in Hulu? Is there an option I can turn on in Hulu itself?
beginner99 - Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - linkIt's sad how poor flash perfroms. But if you look over the whole Adobe stuff, no wonder. Everythings seems blotted, especially Acrobat. Like a 1 Gb install for creating and playing around with PDF's...
(Was it already that bad when it was not Adobe?I have the feeling not but I'm probably mistaken)
I'm glad flash is now usable at least on some weaker hardware, ideally also normal netbooks should be able to run it...But here we habe the opppsite trend to the car industry. Instead of getting more efficient we just add a second engine to satisfy the customers.
I mean cool I could run hd flash on a ION netbook. But probably battery live will we soemthign like halfed...nothing is free. Reply
- Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkAnyone think the ATI Radeon HD 3xxx standalone cards will work with some kind of driver hack?
There is support for integrated Radeon HD 3xxx series however there is no mention of Radeon HD 3xxx standalone cards. I'm thinking this must be to encourage people to upgrade to the HD 4xxx series cards. ATI however supports their HD 3xxx series integrated video, so I suppose the capability must be there for a standalone HD 3xxx card. Reply
JarredWalton - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkThe 9.11 drivers do NOT list HD 3200/3300 anymore, oddly enough. Remember that the RS780 chipset did get a bit of the advanced video decoding features even though it didn't have the shader and gaming performance. I think IGP 3000 will get support, but I wouldn't expect the same level of acceleration on the normal discrete 3000 series.
Also interesting is how HD 3200 (RS780) became HD 4200 (RS785). They're practically the same, I think, but one got the 4000 series moniker just to make it sound newer. Just like NVIDIA with the GTS 250, etc. cards.
At present, the HD 3200 on a laptop definitely isn't accelerating Flash to any noticeable extent. With a dual-core 2.0GHz processor, it almost doesn't need help from the GPU, but it would be nice to go from 60% CPU and some occasional frame dropping to 20% CPU and no dropping. Atom went from playing only 10% (or less) of frames and 90%+ CPU to less than 70% CPU and playing 100% of frames, with the ION chipset. That shows what is possible, once all the various aspects are dealt with. Reply
JarredWalton - Friday, November 20, 2009 - linkNote: Got this working. See update on page 5. Reply
duploxxx - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkinteresting article although i think it is to soon with those beta drivers and versions.
Did you guys happen to test also what the influence was on total power consumption, I mean due to utilizing certain gpu more reducing cpu i wonder if power consumption actually went up more by reducing the load on the cpu, since it is known that gpu (well at least the mid-high end) can consume way more then just the cpu. Reply
mrbean1500 - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkworks fine on my 4770 9.11 drivers
works without a hitch in ff and ie Reply
bcronce - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - link"I've got a two socket, 16-thread, 3GHz, Nehalem Mac Pro as my main workstatio[...]
But the one thing it can't do is play anything off of Hulu in full screen without dropping frames."
My Win7 2.66ghz corei7-920 plays Hulu fullscreen HD trailors/videos at 2% cpu with smooth playback. No, I'm not using that new flash either.
cmdrdredd - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkIf your CPU is crap you want this.
If your CPU is newer than 2 years old, you couldn't care less because your CPU can handle full screen HD no problem.
I ran some HD video off youtube and Hulu and I see no more than 20% usage on my Quad. So this is worthless to me, sure I suppose someone could benefit.
This assumes you are running Windows. Reply
damianrobertjones - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkIs something wrong with the database?
I was expecting to read an article on Flash and not about your Mac? Odd. Reply
tk11 - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkAlthough offloading some video decoding to the GPU sounds nice I'm surprised Adobe would bother with it while there CPU decoder leaves so much room for improvement.
I just setup a test and encoded a test h264 video (1280x532) in mp4 format and created a test webpage with the video embeded using both windows media player (using core AVC codec) and flash video (JW Mediaplayer). I then played the video in IE 7 on my GF's laptop running a core2 duo underclocked at 1163MHz using each player. IE's CPU usage playing the video using WMP was less than 20%; Embed the same video with flash and CPU usage goes up to 49-50 percent... near max cpu usage as the player is not multithreaded.
Why doesn't adobe focus on improving their dismal software decoder? A decent CPU decoder would also prevent all the silly GPU and platform requirements.
Hardware scaling would certainly be nice to prevent performance drops when going full screen but wasting resources developing GPU video decoding while their CPU decoders are in such a sad state is a clear misappropriation of resources.
cosmotic - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkHow are you so sure that WMP isn't using hardware decoding? I can almost guarantee you that it is. Reply
Exodite - Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - linkPlaying video through DVXA, GPU-enabled, decoders I average about 2% CPU utilization for 720p and 5% for 1080p content, including other background tasks. This using a C2D E6600 overclocked to 3.0GHz and a Radeon 4870.
If you're looking at a CPU utilization of 20-50%, even for a CPU clocked just over a third of what mine is, for lower resolution content you're not getting any GPU offloading. Reply
tk11 - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkCore AVC only supports hardware (CUDA) decoding on certian nvidia products that the laptop does not contain.
Autisticgramma - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkI saw all this happening long ago, when adobe aquired flash to begin with.
Adobe used to just make Acrobat reader, it sucked then it sucks now, its just so embedded in any corperate high-wire act its stoopid. Not to mention all the memory space want on start up, leaves in memory ect sloppy from day one.
Macromedia was the company that created flash (at least to my memory). When macromedia owned it, it wasn't bloated crap ware. And then again we weren't streaming whole shows, and 720I 1080P were not the buzzwords of the day.
I realize homestarrunner and illwillpress are not fully transmitted/encoded video, they are created in flash for flash.
But I don't see how this is enough to require gpu acceleration, isn't there a way to streamline this? Why doesn't other video kill everything else with such efficency? Are we sure they're not just accelerating how fast my computer can be exploited, this is a net application.
I'm not a coder, or some software guru, just a dude that works on computers. Could some one explain, or link me to something, that explains how this isn't an incoding issue, and a NEEDZ M0r3 PoWA issue? Adobe on my GPU - Sounds like "Sure I need some nike xtrainers for my ears? Reply
cosmotic - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkFlash original came from FutureSplash.
You really need to work on your spelling. =/
Video decode is extremely CPU intensive. This is why most video decode now happens (at least partially) on the GPU. Reply
PrinceGaz - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkVideo decode is quite CPU intensive, but nowhere near as heavy as video encoding with decent quality settings. Also, all current HD video formats will be able to be handled by the CPU within a few years once sex and octal-core or higher CPUs are mainstream.
The situation we are in currently regarding HD video playback of MPEG4 AVC type video is rather like the mid-late 1990's with DVD MPEG2 video, where hardware assistance was required for the CPUs of the day (typically around 200-400MHz) and you could even buy dedicated MPEG2 decoder cards. Within a few years, the CPU was doing all of the important decoding work with the only assistance being from graphics-cards for some later steps (and even that was not necessary as the CPU could do it easily if required). The same will apply with HD video in due course, especially as the boundary between a CPU and GPU narrows. Reply
bcronce - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkI can watch 1080p 1920x1080 HD videos from Apple's site with 10% cpu, silky smooth. Now that is 80% of one of my logical CPUs, but that's also some crazy nice graphics.
A Core i5 dual core should handle full HD videos with sub 25% cpu usage. Reply
Autisticgramma - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkThanks for that.
Misspellers Untie! Engrish is strictly a method of conveying information/ideas.
If ya get the gist the rest is irrelevant, at least to me. Reply
johnsonx - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkFlash has always had a Hardware Acceleration checkbox, at least in 9 & 10. What did it do?
KidneyBean - Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - linkFor video, I think it allowed the GPU to scale the screen size. So now you can maximize or resize the video without it taking up extra CPU resources. Reply
SanLouBlues - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkAdobe is kinda right about Linux, but we're getting closer:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&...">http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&... Reply
phaxmohdem - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkI'm still rocking my trusty 8800GTX card. My heart sunk a little bit when I read that G80 cards are not supported. This is the first time since I bought the ol' girl years ago that she has not been able to perform.
However, I also have an 8600GT that runs two extra monitors in my workstation, and I always do my Hulu watching on one of those monitors anyway, so things may still work out between us for a while longer. Reply
CharonPDX - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkI have an original early 2006 MacBook Pro (2.0 GHz Core Duo; 2 GB RAM, Radeon X1600) running Snow Leopard 10.6.2.
I not only don't see any difference, but I think something was wrong with your Mac Pro. Hulu 480P and YouTube 720P videos have been fully watchable on my system, in full screen on a 1080p monitor, all along.
When playing your same Hulu video (The Office - Murder, 480P, full screen) with both versions of Flash, I get a nice stable full frame rate (I don't know how to measure frame rate on OS X, but it looks the same as when I watch it on broadcast TV,) with 150% CPU usage. (Average; varies from 130% to 160%; but seems to hover in the 148-152 range the vast majority of the time.)
And Legend of the Seeker, episode 1 in HD skips a few frames, but is perfectly watchable. Reply
brundlefly - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkI don't know why you are saying that everyone has an issue with Flash, including Windows users, because I have never had a problem with it under Windows - ??
On MacOS - BIG problems with HD YouTube content.
I installed the 10.1 Flash Beta on my 2008 unibody 2.4GHz MacBook - both on Snow Leopard side and on the Windows 7 x64 Boot Camp partition.
Made no difference whatsoever on either side.
I used Firefox playback of the 1080P version of the Dark Knight trailer for comparison:
Under Snow Leopard, the video was obviously jittery and video info indicated many dropped frames. CPU usage: 127% AVERAGE. Even the buffer froze at one point, stopping the video - I get this often under MacOS for some reason. The fan started up in seconds.
Under Windows 7, I experienced a handful of dropped packets on starting the video, but never observed anything but pitch-perfect playback, and the buffer raced far ahead of the playback time with no slowdown. CPU usage: 55% AVERAGE
Its the same damn hardware.
Drakino - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkIt is an issue specific to the Mac, however the ball is in Adobe's court to fix it. It's their code that sucks ass under OS X. Apple had HD video content playable just fine full screen prior to the switchover to Intel CPUs.
This is why Apple pushes for open standards and wants Flash to die. Apple can't improve the closed Flash platform on their own, but they can build their software to support standards well. It looks bad for the Mac when the platform has problems playing keyboard cat due to closed proprietary crap.
The fact that Adobe "magically" brought CPU usage down from 450% to 130% is clearly a sign they can improve it if they try. Now they just need to stop acting like children and use the OpenCL standard on OS X 10.6 to accelerate it via the GPU. Reply
7Enigma - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - link"This is why Apple pushes for open standards..."
I'm sorry your post is negated by this hysterical comment. Reply
Drakino - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - link"I'm sorry your post is negated by this hysterical comment."
How so?
Sure, Apple likes to control their platforms, but that doesn't mean the platform is built on closed technology.
WebKit (the foundation of Safari, tons of mobile browsers including the ones on Android and the Pre) started as KHTML. Apple helped extend it and turn it in the mobile browsing powerhouse. It's also one of the most HTML compliant browsing cores out there. If HTML5 ever sorts out this video codec mess, it is possible it can replace Flash, a technology only controlled by Adobe.
Quicktime is completely MPEG 4 compatible, due to the fact that most of MPEG 4 is based on Quicktime technology. H.264 is everywhere now, streaming into the crappy Flash players, being used to encode movies on BluRay, and so on. MPEG 4 audio is also widespread mostly due to the iTunes Store.
PDF is a core part of OS X.
Bonjour/DNS-SD is an open protocol widely adopted by many printers and other devices, and even Microsoft with Link-local Multicast Name Resolution borrowed heavily from it.
OpenCL is a unified GPU compute language that helps to get GPGPU acceleration out of the "Glide/3dfx" realm and on it's way to a wider adoption.
Grand Central Dispatch is a great technology for developing programs that run well on multicore CPUs, and is being adopted by FreeBSD as well.
Would you like to bring up any counterpoints, or just mindlessly try to bash comments without anything to back them up? Reply
mindless1 - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkI will mindlessly bash. Ha!
Apple is closed, all you did is list how they perverted something open to make it closed, extra effort in doing so.
menting - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkif you rephrase it this way it'll be more correct.
"Apple pushes for open standards on anything they don't/can't control/own" Reply
Souka - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkMy wife's old ThinkPad T30 laptop, with its ATI 7500 Radeon isn't supported. Guess she can't watch her latest shows in full screen..heh.
iwodo - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkI need 70% of CPU Core to watch Full HD Video on a bleeding edge Computer?
I dont know if it is poor programming or what. But i expect more with OpenCL support, and faster software, as well as near Zero CPU resources for H.264 content.
Why do I have extra 40% CPU usage watching H.264 content inside Flash, when i have sub 10% CPU usage when watching it through OS Media Player.... Reply
Xplorer4x4 - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkWill this be of use on a GT 130M? Reply
Stereodude - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkThe acceleration does work for at least some people on the Intel 4500MHD chipset. You need the absolute latest drivers from Intel (.1986) that came out only a few days ago though. Reply
pcfxer - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkI call BS on Adobe in particular because the ENTIRE Snow Leopard release was to provide access to hardware features through Xcode. Snow Leopard is an OS for developers!
Xcode provides access to Compute Power of the videocards, just instantiate the object; almost like COM but easier ;). Let me translate for Adobe.
"We are lazy, like really, really lazy and don't really care about platform support. We're more closed than any other company but we'll blame others for our fallacies! Let's sign an NDA-no wait, that would be proprietary and companies like Apple, Linux/BSD (company?? I need coffee) want Adobe to standardize an API."
If Adobe were to create an API, they would handle the back-end and could even "open up" the front-end to Adobe. I should go to their offices in Ottawa and slap them on their wrists now.
Visual - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkflash should just use the platform's libraries to decode video. any video format, not just limited to their crap. why the hell not?
there isn't directshow equivalent on linux, but ffmpeg is pretty standard there and can be used directly instead. ffmpeg has VDPAU support on linux since the start of this year, which is pretty much the equivalent to dxva. at least for nvidia cards. if it does not yet, eventually it will have support for the AMD alternative, and then all programs using it will automagically get that too.
i don't know why things on windows are such a mess that official ffmped wont support dxva there - but there are versions that do, and there are other directshow filters that do, so using directshow should be a fine solution there.
Penti - Wednesday, November 25, 2009 - linkDirectShow and ffmpeg aren't the same thing and FFmpeg is illegal homebrew software anyway. You can compare DirectShow with gstreamer and DXVA with VDPAU. FFmpeg are just the codecs and container demuxer, not the multimedia framework that puts the image on the screen.
Flash contains it's own decoders. It's videos aren't exactly the same as videos in normal containers either. Reply
damolol - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkWhen these drivers become better I would love to see a battery life consumption between gpu accelerated flash and non gpu accelerated. I think it would be useful since long battery lifes for netbooks and Ultraportables are all the rage at the moment. Reply
Hyperlite - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkC'mon guys, you need to retest the AMD system....................................... Reply
MrPoletski - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linknow how about somebody gives dirt facebook PHP code an equivelant increase in speed;) Reply
FireGate13 - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkTwo bugs so far:
1.I noticed Billinear filtering is missing on youtube videos when you don't play them HD. This was exactly the same when you disabled Hardware Acceleration in Flash Options. But now with this 10.1 beta I clearly can see the blocky effect everywhere especially when I make a video play fullscreen.. Good Job Adobe!
2. I noticed strange pauses when I saw a video sometimes. Whenever I start task manager for example my video pauses!
I have 9800GT,driver 195.50 and adobe 10.1 new flash.
(that was the acceleration they promissed? only h.264 decoding? omg:( ). Reply
Meghan54 - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkI just read the article and decided to retest Hulu.
My system is a Core i7 920, 6GB RAM, Radeon 4870 1GB video card....on a 6Mb DSL line and I'm at the end of the line---way out in the sticks.
Currently downloading a large file, have ESPN (Mike & mike) audio streaming in the background (muted right now) and playing "V" in HD setting and full screen.
I notice no blockiness, no artifacts, nothing but perfect visuals from Hulu. While it does stutter once every few minutes for a second...guess dropping a frame or whatever....I'm attributing that to my taking a lot of the bandwidth I have available being used by ESPN and the file I'm downloading while watching the video.
Otherwise, a simply smooth video, looking just as good as the OTA broadcast of the original.
Don't know what the issues are for you, but I've just never noticed any problems with Hulu's streaming, except in videos that weren't filmed in HD to begin with. Reply
Meghan54 - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkForgot to post the rest of the machine's specs:
Win 7 Ultimate x64, ATI driver 9.10, 26" LCD monitor.
I just booted my slow laptop (Celeron 900 cpu--2.2GHz, 2GB RAM, 15.5" screen, Intel IGP 4500, Win 7 Home x64)....connected to Hulu via a Wireless G connection and still got very smooth video, no blockiness anywhere, just great video.
Maybe, as was suggested before, it's a Mac problem? I don't know, but none of our machines in our house, all running Win 7 x64 variants with varying video cards, has any issues with Hulu's streaming video or quality thereof. Reply
FireGate13 - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkDont forget to Dowload Nforce version 195.55 desktop drivers! Reply
Doormat - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkOn my old Macbook Core duo 1.83Ghz, I can watch Hulu now, both windowed and full screen. Before it was really bad.... Reply
joshv - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkSorry, Flash performance on Mac sucks. I've done full screen Hulu on my relatively slow Core 2 Duo and it was smooth as silk - Windows Vista. On my current Core i7 machine I can watch full screen HD content from Hulu. Again smooth as silk - 15% CPU utilization. Reply
marc1000 - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkHi guys. nice news, but I would like to ask if it is possible to do a second test on the AMD systems, because the 9.10 vs 9.11 issue. Even a quick check would suffice to let you (and us) know if it ever changes anything. Thanks, Reply
marc1000 - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkSorry, I was checking the article again. In the first page you say there is NO 9.11 driver compatible right now. We will have to wait then... thanks anyway! Reply
7Enigma - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkCould one of you do a quick test with the 9.11 drivers and give at least a single data point to show how well this works on the ATI parts? I know you updated to say 9.11 was required and that could be a problem, but these tests appear pretty hands-off (FRAPS), so a single episode of the Office or the HD content on YouTube shouldn't take more than an hour to run?
I just don't want to see the comments section turning into another ATI/NVIDIA fanboy girl-fight, and claims of NVIDIA favoritism...
Very interested in the final version of this FLASH update. It has been WAYYYY too long in coming. Reply
UNCjigga - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkI am wondering if piping the video through the DXVA hardware decode path does anything for image quality? Do the standard Purevideo/Avivo enhancements apply? At the very least, I imagine it might "soften" resized video a bit more than the standard pixelated crap from Flash. Reply
rnj - Thursday, November 19, 2009 - linkactually it resulted in a signficantly quality drop Reply
Azhrei - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkSo I just checked it out and on my system the video quality for hulu 480p videos at fullscreen is horrible. There is noticeable blocks that is most evident in peoples faces. I downgraded back to 10.0. I don't know if the problem was my video card's rendering or flash but on an 8800 gts 512mb it was unacceptable. I didn't check performance closely because on an i7 flash doesn't stress the CPU enough for me to care. I just checked task manager to make sure it wasn't doing something weird and pushing the CPU hard. Reply
csng - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkJust tested it on my Nvidia 9600GT,running a youtube HD content, CPU utilization dropped to 25-27% compared to > 55% before using the latest flash player. However the video quality dropped and the whole scene seems washed out. Some blocky effect as mentioned as well.. Reply
ioannis - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkit might be just gamma settings. Try reducing gamma for video from the nvidia settings.
rnj - Thursday, November 19, 2009 - linkit is not gamma settings definitely, i noticed this as well. Reply
ahar - Friday, November 20, 2009 - linkI tried 10.1 on my system which has a Pentium E6500 and 9500GT and the latest Nvidia drivers. The CPU utilisation went way down whilst watching a HD stream on the BBC iPlayer but the image quality had also dropped considerably. There were noticeable block artefacts - it looks like the AA which was previously applied was no longer happening. I had a quick play around with the PureVideo settings it the Nvidia control panel but nothing seemed to make a difference.
I've reverted back to Flash 10 now. Reply
magicalz - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkAMD/ATI
Hardware video decoding of H.264 content in Flash Player 10.1 is supported on AMD/ATI products with
UVD2 with the ATI Catalyst? Software Suite, starting with version 9.11 for the ATI Radeon? family of
products, and driver release 8.68 for the ATI FirePro? family of products. Reply
JarredWalton - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkWell, that would explain things, though I *swear* it said Catalyst 9.10 earlier today/tonight. I think Adobe fixed a typo, because I even followed a link at one point to download the Mobile 9.10 drivers. Reply
Scali - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkYou can download the 9.11 RC from AMD, as it is also required for the 2.0 beta4 release of the Stream SDK (with OpenCL support).
Perhaps you could try and see if it makes a difference? I'd like to see that, especially since I have ordered a Radeon 5770 a few days ago. Reply
Anand Lal Shimpi - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkThe 9.11 RC you mention through AMD's developer site does not support Flash 10.1 GPU acceleration, I just confirmed. Waiting for a driver that does from AMD, also trying to see when AMD will make it public.
Take care,
Anand Reply
Scali - Thursday, November 19, 2009 - linkYes, it seems that AMD released the 9.11 drivers at about the same time as I made that comment.
The final 9.11 release should have the GPU acceleration for Flash... However, it didn't seem like they left the OpenCL support in the final release.
So the 9.11 RC drivers and the 9.11 final release seem to be very different :) Reply
hechacker1 - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - link1. So I'm assuming flash now takes advantage of DXVA2 EVR rendering, so the GPU is now responsible for decoding quality? I should now be able to adjust my AVIVO settings for flash? I'm not too sure how EVR/dxva and the video card is related.
2. Too bad linux isn't yet supported. Flash on linux is notoriously bad. Nvidia is pushing their accelerated VDPAU, and many software players now include support for it. ATI and intel though are doing something different, but it seems binding are available to translate. So hopefully in the near future linux gets a modern bitstream accelerated video acceleartion framework.
3. Does it work with H.264 only? Or does it also work with sorenson and vp6 codecs? So youtube HQ or better is mp4 always? Reply
hechacker1 - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkAnd thanks for the article! Reply
blyndy - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkHTML5 is the real long-term solution, not flash 10.1. Reply
gandralf - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkNot while we have the H.264 vs. Theora issue. Reply
Zoomer - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkDon't see why it can't both be supported. Reply
fredz - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkHow do you actually measure the FPS of these Flash based videos in Hulu etc? Reply
JarredWalton - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkFRAPS with logging of the WDM enabled. (This is only available on Vista/Win7.) Oddly, this is only necessary on Flash 10.1; FRAPS works without WDM logging on 10.0. Reply
max22 - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkWhat is the link to the firefox version please? Will the latest prerelease flash mess up Skype's Extras as well ? Reply
JarredWalton - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkThe download link on page 1 is now updated so it takes you to the correct page. There's an EXE plugin as well as an EXE for ActiveX.
Incidentally, you can run the following from the command line to uninstall the current version of Flash:
flashplayer10_1_p1_plugin_111709.exe -uninstallclean Reply
macs - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkwhat about atom + 945gse chipset? Reply
JarredWalton - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - link945GSE doesn't have any support for video offload (at least not the H.264 stuff) so it won't get any help from Flash 10.1 other than perhaps some CPU optimizations. Reply
AstroGuardian - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - link945GSE is totally useless. Reply
Sunday Ironfoot - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkSilverlight has had GPU acceleration since version 3.0 (the current latest version). I'd be interested in a comparison between Silverlight vs. Flash. Reply
GeorgeH - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkI second the motion, although I fear it'll be a cold day in hell before Youtube or Hulu even thinks about dropping Flash. Reply
jojo4u - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkJust ads or facebook makes my netbook slow and youtube hd stutters. For a at least acceptable experience I'd recommend Windows+IE for the non geeky user. Sad but true. Reply
straubs - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkDon't want to recommend IE for anyone looking for speed in anything. Firefox + AdBlock or Chrome is the way to go. Reply
pcfxer - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkFirefox + ad block....umm yeah FREE and OPEN! Reply
Bremen7000 - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkYour absolute link to the Flash download is broken. Reply
JarredWalton - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkSorry... fixed now. Reply
Etern205 - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkThis new link is also broken. :( Reply
crimson117 - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkhttp://www.anandtech.com/video/labs.adobe.com/tech...">http://www.anandtech.com/video/labs.adobe.com/tech... Reply
Etern205 - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linksadly the link you linked to is also broken. :S
Here is the working link
Scroll down a bit and under recent releases, click on flash 10.1
JarredWalton - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkThe correct direct link is:
That's on page 1. Maybe we have a messed up link elsewhere that I need to update as well.... Reply
imaheadcase - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkI've never had any issues with Flash playing on computer, i got a normal computer to, GTX 260, quad core 2.83ghz, 8 gigs of ram.
What video specifically do you experience "dropped frames" on? Reply
ProDigit - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linktry playing even the simplest farmville, grow about 1000 trees in it,and you have yourself one slow framedropping flash program! Reply
Voldenuit - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkI know exactly what you mean about preaching to the choir. I have a decent midrange system (E7600, 8 GB RAM, 4870 1 GB, W7 x64), and even having Flash ads in an open browser window will choke my framerate on Dragon Age: Origins.
So I did the sensible thing and installed Flashblock (previously I only used it on my laptop for battery life and performance).
Bad Adobe, Bad. Reply
nilepez - Monday, November 23, 2009 - linkBetter than flashblock, just use noscript (assuming you use firefox/mozilla).
If I ran a website, I think I'd avoid all flash ads (or at least highly recommend my advertisers avoid it).
Although i know many block all ads, I have no problem with ads, so long as they don't talk and don't eat up CPU cycles....oh and I block the keyword ads, because I move my mouse while reading, and those inevitably block the text that I'm reading.
Someone said that the problem is poor coding and that may be true, but if you're on a message board and you open up a bunch of threads in different tabs, those flash ads will eventually kill your processor. On one board, I open up every single thread that I've participated in as soon as I get on (so that they don't get marked as read before I read them) and until I blocked flash, that killed my system.
heffeque - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkNot also that. The 10.1 works even more unstable than the 10.0. I've tried it and I had to go back to 10.0 to be able to use firefox for more than 15 minutes. Reply
B3an - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkYou people dont get it...
1) Flash Player 10.1 is a early pre-release, NOT final.
2) Flash is great, it's the best thing out there for delivering so many things. It's also some of the most fun and creative software i use. The problem is how advertisers use Flash, and what stupid websmasters decide to do with it (dump flash ads all over the place. This is NOT the fault of Flash. It simply happens to be the best thing for these things. If there was anything that could compete, that would be used instead and then people would just call that annoying.
2) Nothing is wrong with Flash performance considering what it does. It uses Vector based graphics normally and this happens to be very demanding for CPU's, Adobe could not possible get vector graphics magically running as good as pixel based graphics no matter what they did. The advantage of vector based graphics though is things like infinite zoom with no pixelation, and adaptive resolution. It's nice to see GPU acceleration for video though, that was needed.
It's sad that even Anand does not seem to understand this stuff. Reply
omaudio - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkI agree Flash is a good thing and used poorly often. My concern is that the vector benefits you mention simply become irrelevant with pixel based video being converted to Flash. It is a mammoth waste of electricity and cpu/gpu cycles. I hope they are able to come up with a better alternative for video as it seems to me the core of Flash based video (vector based video) will never change. Reply
Griswold - Saturday, November 21, 2009 - linkNo, its not an early previews. You can bet your momma that the final version coming early next year will still have at least half of the issues you can see with this beta. Reply
cosmotic - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkVector based graphics have very variable CPU requirements, where raster video has CPU requirements directly proportional to the compression and resolution which at this point is very high. The Flash player is extremely efficient. It has no problem reaching 60FPS on high resolution content. The problem comes when you overload the content with silly effects that Adobe made just a little too easy to use (eg: shadows). Your frame rate dispute likely stems from the default FPS of 24, which ironically is what film and video runs at, unless it's running at 29.97 or 30 FPS... either way much lower than 60.
HD video just cannot play back without dropping frames without the help of a GPU. Most codecs use the GPU at this point so you rarely see high CPU usage with video playback.
I agree with you that it would be sad if Anand did not understand this stuff, but I think he understands it more than you think he does, and more than you actually do yourself. What's even more sad is how many people at Microsoft, Apple, Adobe, nVidia, AMD, etc don't understand this stuff. It's a nightmare for us even competent users, let alone computer illiterate.
What I'm sad that Anand doesn't understand (or maybe ignores) is how bad the entire codec and GPU acceleration industry is. I see screenshots of Absolutely horrid control panels and video players without comments like "Look at this complete trash they shipped us". There is no reason to have 1) non-native looking anything and 2) a control panel for graphics or codecs. This kind of bleeds over into the sound card realm as well.
Anand: I have a fairly similar Mac and I fully identify with you. The situation is complete garbage. Reply
Zoomer - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkI disagree, there is a point for control panels for video/audio codecs. See FFdshow.
Control Panel for Gfx:
How else can we force things like AA, AA type, CF, etc on/off? Editing the registry?
Audio: Should we edit the registry to change the number of speakers, the subwoofer cutoff frequency (depends on size of mains vs. sub), etc?
"HD video just cannot play back without dropping frames without the help of a GPU. Most codecs use the GPU at this point so you rarely see high CPU usage with video playback."
Not really true, a good C2Q should do it just fine.
That said, I must say that flash wasn't really meant to be used the way it is used today. Reply
cosmotic - Thursday, November 19, 2009 - linkMost control panels are crutches for poor operating system and application developers. I have never touched ~95% of settings in such control panels, and AA settings belong in the application, if any. These sorts of things should be non-issues. Same with sub cutoffs. That belongs on the amp/receiver. Even if I'm completely off base, there's no reason the travesty that is any current control panel should look the way they do. Honestly, skins in Catalyst? What - the - fuck.
The ONLY three things I ever do in a graphics card control panel are 1) adjust flat panel scaling, which It should never be on anything but maintain aspect ratio, 2) adjust black levels, which I should never have to do with a properly calibrated monitor and 3) adjust multi monitor options because for whatever reason nVidia and ATI insist using their own ultra shitty implementation instead of the only somewhat shitty Windows implementation.
You got me on the C2Q playing back video, although if you start doing anything else CPU intensive, that wont last. Imagine playing back TWO videos?! Reply
Cerb - Saturday, November 21, 2009 - linkSorry, but no. Having settings in the application means that if the application was not designed to use those features, you can't turn them on. Any features implemented just by the driver and hardware should be controlled entirely by the driver and hardware. The user should then have a front-end to control those settings.
Games should have the minimal amount of settings for anything not programmed into the game. The driver should have everything else. AA is one that should especially not be controlled by the game itself. AA controlled by the game means the game can turn it off, which should never happen. I would return a game that did that in a heartbeat (I've been having AA always on since Quake 2 and Tribes on a GF2 GTS--which would not even be possible if it were a game setting--and am not turning it off until pixel size becomes at least 1/16 what it is now on LCDs).
The game should never get to decide what settings can or can not be used. Likewise, audio applications should not have to know about my speaker setup, just send data to the driver API. Video should be the same way: define the stream, send it to a demuxer, have that send the video portion to a black-box decoder API. it doesn't always end up working out perfectly, but that's why default settings tend to be the most widely compatible ones.
Not all such control panels are well thought out, but they have their place. In some cases, they are OS/app crutches (multimonior and color tuning, FI), but they are quite useful beyond that, and would not disappear, even if all the crutch-like settings could be done away with. Reply
JarredWalton - Saturday, November 21, 2009 - linkThe problem is that AA doesn't work properly using some methods unless it is built into the game engine. Never mind that with pixel and compute shaders, it is now possible to do AA within the game code and not have it impact performance as much (i.e. DX 10.1 enabled games). I don't think you can make a case for either direction: i.e. it shouldn't ALWAYS be controlled by the game, and likewise it shouldn't NEVER be controlled by the game. Similarly, trying to control that in the driver won't always work (but it sometimes will).
IMO, the only reason we have the setting in drivers is because games are often not forward thinking, limiting what setting they will or won't support. Assassin's Creed for example decided that any resolution above 1680x1050 shouldn't be allowed to run AA. Stupid. Older games were made before AA was even a consideration. All new titles should look at implementing AA internally, in an optimal manner, with the ability for the user to turn it on or off. Thankfully, most games are doing exactly that.
Another case for why AA should be in the game/application and not the driver: say game X runs perfectly well at 2560x1600 4xAA, but game Y can't do more than 1920x1200 0xAA, and another game can run 2560x1600 0xAA, and yet another 2560x1600 2xAA.... You get the point. If you control the setting within each game, you set it once and forget about it. If it's a driver only setting, every time you decide to play a different game, you have to enter the control panel for the drivers and change the setting.
Saying AA should be only in the control panel is just one step up from saying games shouldn't even be able to specify what resolution to run at. I think we can all see how ludicrous that would be, and by extension forcing the driver to tell games what AA (and HDR, etc.) to use is equally limiting. The application knows what to do best, and the drivers are just an interface that talks to the hardware and interprets common function calls. Reply
davepermen - Friday, November 20, 2009 - linkplaying back full hd videos without hw decoding does actually even work on a c2d, no problem so far.
just not with flash, as it's horribly inefficient. Reply
JarredWalton - Friday, November 20, 2009 - linkA reasonable Core 2 Duo with GMA 4500 or better graphics should be able to handle Flash HD at up to 1680x1050 without trouble, even with Flash 10.0. The problem is that a lot of netbooks, nettops, and entry-level laptops don't have even that. Reply
ProDigit - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkFlash sucks big time,and is largely unwanted on the internet!
Instead of displaying movies in Flash, websites would have done better with streaming DivX/XviD or OGG/Mp3/WMA or so.
Flash is as much an internet hog as REAL was in the real networks days.
They are low in quality, require high CPU, and display few FPS.
I prefer the internet to become like a mobile internet, without ads, and just the minimal info visible necessary to do the most basic internet tasks (like this article, a few .jpg's, and a non-java based forum or thread underneath where we can type.
Many websites won't exist if it wasn't for the ads you may say, but I'll reply to them:
"So where is all that money going to that they get or pay to keep their website online? Who's on the head of the chain? The government?"
The internet was supposed to be a free thing, the only ones who should charge are the companies who place cables which carry the signals, and the renewal of the servers.
We're living in 2009, back in the '80, it could cost you quite some bucks to have 20MB of online server space!
Nowadays, they charge quite some to, while giving you 50MB of web space! I mean, what is that?
It costs a company today $90 to get a 1TB HD!
And if they got rid of flash altogether, internet pages wouldn't take up more than a few hundred of kilobytes.
A 1 TB harddrive could be enough to give 10.000 customers a 100MB webspace for $10 per person, which is almost for free.
But no,if you have a big website, they charge you hundreds of dollars per year, sticking a big fat bonus in their paychecks, because a server does not cost a company $100.000 anymore. They nowadays can easily be made for 1/10th of that price, yet they still charge too much.
That's why the world must be terrorized by flash ads.
I'm glad someone got some sense to create an ad blocker for my browser; because that not only seems to ease my reading of the page, it also reduces my overall network traffic, lowers CPU usage, and therefor increases battery life on my notebook, and it keeps me safer from hackers trying to enter into people's computers through annoying popup ads, using the weaknesses of flash.
The world would be a better place if flash was never invented.
Even those little tasks you do in flash,like playing farmville in facebook, perform much better if it was only an executable file for download, instead of a flash game! Reply
bcronce - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - link"It costs a company today $90 to get a 1TB HD! "
My employerr had to pay $120k for a new 16TB SAN cabinet and that doesn't include local back-ups or off site storage/back-ups
I wish storage was only $90/TB, I could get a raise. Reply
snarfbot - Monday, March 08, 2010 - linkwell did he really have to?
seems like a bad time to invest that much cash when the entire storage industry is transitioning to solid state. Reply
autoboy - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkDo you have any clue how the world works?
People provide services. In exchange for those services, they get paid. Their pay allows them to buy your services. People who provide services people actually want get paid, while those services that people don't want fail. Government steals 50% of your pay to build roads, police crime, and perpetual failed social programs.
So, the internet is supposed to be free with no business model?
Sound good to you Anand? Reply
fic2 - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkA 1T hard drive might cost YOU $90, but for a server company it cost quite a bit more. Or do you and the 10,000 other customers not care if the 1T is RAIDed and backed up? I am not sure what else goes into to it since I don't do that, but I would guess they also have to pay for space/electricity/AC/people/internet/etc.
Oh, I'll add that I hate flash, too. Especially the idiot websites that think their front page has to be flash based. Reply
Adasha - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkI would hate to live in your ideal world. I bet you'd be happier if we got rid of all GUIs and reverted to command line only. Reply
B3an - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkI'd also like to add, that the bad Flash performance in many things like Flash based ads, is nearly always down to the web developer of the ad itself. SO many of them could be made to use less CPU power, or even get file size way down.
It's nearly always down to web design amatures who dont know the following:
What image files types are best suited for what they're doing,
When to use vector graphics instead of jpegs,
And what quality settings and Flash publishing settings to use.
Voldenuit - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkThere's also the problem of Flash chewing resources when the application is in the background (eg if I'm playing a game and would like/need to keep my browser open).
Users should have control over what applications run on their PCs, and the fact that Flash doesn't let you do this is a strike against Adobe (already not the most consumer-friendly company out there).
We have anti-spyware, anti-virus, anti-phising as recommended and standard on most systems. I say anti-Flash should be just as important. Reply
danacee - Tuesday, April 13, 2010 - linkEven with a 9500GT that plays back 1080p mkv beautifully flash player chugs. It also only uses one core! What the hell, atleast you'd think it would multithreaded. The Atom D510 may be pathetically weak, but it goes to show how far adobe's heads are up their asses when even with supported cpu/gpu on a supported OS (Win XP/Vista x64) flash is still such a piece of garbage it can only grab one thread of a cpu. Reply
marosy - Thursday, December 16, 2010 - linkAnand, I'd like to congratulate to you for this article. I learn a lot from your articles.
It seems that the bug with the 8400GS has been fixed in Adobe Flash Player 10.2 Beta. Reply


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Electa Underwood, daughter of C(S)yrus Underwood and his wife, Fannie, was born in Chenango County, New York, 23 April 1823. It is believed she was one of a set of twins -the same birth date is given another child in the family, a male child who did not live beyond infancy; however, there is no statement that the two children were twins. The family left New York and moved through Pennsylvania to Michigan, then to Fulton County, Illinois. Eleeta married in either Illinois or Missouri (where the family is found in 1841) to Robert Porter Bethurum. Her first child, Eliza Jane Bethurum, was born in Missouri in 1844. It was then the trek to Texas was begun. Underwoods and Bethurums (and possibly others) came on to various places. Cyrus Underwood and one of his sons (possibly Charles) were killed by Indians in old Fannin County in 1845. Eleeta and her husband, Robert Bethurum, came on to Dallas County and they too, settled somewhere in the area of Riley.
Their son, Robert Porter Bethurum, Jr., was born in Dallas County 17 September 1846. Robert Bethurum died shortly after the child was born, it is believed. Eleeta married Trezevant Hawpe on 31 May 1848. It is believed that this was when the move to the farm nearer Dallas settlement was made, because it is family tradition that the farm at Riley was abandoned because she was afraid of Indian attack and wanted to be in a more populated area. She bore seven more children. Her two children by Robert Bethurum were: Eliza Jane Bethurum born 1844 Missouri, married Thomas Mathis; and Robert Porter Bethurum, Jr. born 17 September 1846, Dallas County, Texas, married Elizabeth Jane Hart.
Eleeta Hawpe was left a widow again in August 1863 when her second husband, T. C. Hawpe, was killed. She reared the large family alone and ran her own farm and business affairs until her death at age 53 in 1876. Eleeta Hawpe was administrator of Robert Bethurum's estate. He had been issued a certificate for 640 acres of land in the Peters Colony and it was patented by his heirs in Dallas County. This land was located in the area of present Military Drive and Dolphin Road. She would have been responsible for attending to the cultivation of the land and any improvements which were made as required to fulfill the terms of the grant, because the children were too small for that responsibility for several years.
T. C. Hawpe died intestate. She was appointed co-administrator by the court. He had owned a large amount of land, either solely or in partnership with others. It took many years to finally settle the estate; in fact, in 1903 the son, Tim Hawpe, was still attempting to settle some of the estate through court action. There were many problems, and whether it was poor management or bad judgment on the part of some of the advisers is not known, but very little was left of a fairly large legacy. Whatever the cause, or the outcome, Eleeta Underwood Bethurum Hawpe, widowed twice in her rather short adult life, had many responsibilities during an era when women were ordinarily not expected to handle business affairs to a great extent.
Eleeta Hawpe survived her husband thirteen years and was buried beside him in the old Masonic Cemetery (now Pioneer Cemetery).

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Doing the right thing big time! How Bennett and Vivian Levin demonstrated that Christmas is a state of mind.
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Sometime before the football games are watched, and the turkey and stuffing and pies are consumed this Thanksgiving Day, take a few minutes to read this extraordinary speech, extraordinary for what it says about your Marines, your Armed Forces, and your Country, and even more extraordinary for what it does not say.
The speech talks about the patriotic youth who answer the call to serve their country. The general discusses in detail the deaths of two Marine heroes for whom he posthumously recommended the Navy Cross. As you read the speech, you will find that it does not mention anything about the death of 1stLt Robert Kelly, USMC, who lost his life in Afghanistan just four days earlier, on November 9, 2010. This speech was delivered on November 13, 2010, by LtGen Kelly, his father.
1stLt Kelly was laid to rest in Arlington National Cemetery on Monday, November 22, 2010.
Dick Morris says the military option in North Korea is off the table now that they've detonated a nuke. I say you couldn't ask for a more classic justification for a preemptive strike.
Well, I think we can all agree that we successfully pulled THAT cat's fangs. Stalin must be laughing his ass off during breaks from his primary duties as Hell's communal happy sock.
Hat tip: Mr. Smith.
This report comes from primary sources - Naval Surface Warfare Center Norfolk and Special Operations Command Tampa. The writer has a point of view, and the report is not "official." Nevertheless, it presents a very interesting and different story of the incident off the Somali coast.
Pull out of Iraq???
Perhaps the U.S. should pull out of Chicago?
If you're having a hard time getting your kid to quit playing with high explosives, show him this video. Unless you're a terrorist, in which case we encourage you to join in the fun.
Meet Corporal Lonnie Young, a Marine in the fighting tradition of Dan Daly.
Don't know how I missed this one when the news broke in March, but thanks to my good friend Chris Smith for the tip. USS New York, clad with 24 tons of steel from World Trade Center 1, is preparing for battle.
A Marine Captain addresses the Code Pinkos who trashed his recruiting office in Berkeley.
When you ban the good guys' weapons, only the bad guys will have them.
Marine EOD takes a page from Hollywood and brings a little flash to an Iraq insurgent's stone house.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi declared the Iraq war effort a failure and the recent troop surge a bust during the Sunday edition of CNN's Late Edition. Meanwhile, captured Al-Qaeda documents suggest terrorist reluctance to accept Pelosi's analysis.
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The mind has a huge capacity to record and retain memories but it is not so good at retrieval. In fact, most memory failures occur at the retrieval step. Unfortunately, there is not much that you can do to directly improve retrieval, but learning good techniques for recording and retaining information will indirectly improve retrieval because the information will be more organized.
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By Melissa Vander Plas
Wednesday, October 31, 2012 9:43 AM
Sue Pariseau, a potter with a studio in rural Lanesboro, shows off two of the bowls she has created and fired at her Old Crow Studio. (Bluff Country Newspaper photo by Melissa Vander Plas)
"Empty Bowls, to me, is a potter-related charity all around the country," said Sue Pariseau, a local potter who has generously donated bowls to this year's Empty Bowls meal in Harmony.
She explained she happily gives to the charity because it is partially about being a member of the community, but it is also due to the fact that it is possible to do something about hunger.
"We can put a dent in the problem," Pariseau said. "We can make a difference and do something to put food on the tables for those who are hungry."
This year's Empty Bowls, Caring Hearts in Harmony event will be held on Sunday, Nov. 11, from 11 a.m. to 1:30 p.m. at the Harmony Community Center. One may purchase a bowl for $20, all created by local potters and artisans and donated to the cause, and then use it to enjoy a simple meal of soup and bread. All the proceeds raised will go to Fillmore County's food shelves.
The bowls created by Pariseau were either created in her studio in Farmington and fired in an electric kiln there or they may have been thrown on her wheel inside her rural Lanesboro studio and then fired in her wood kiln located in a nearby shed.
Pariseau has been traveling between her home in Farmington and her rural retreat since 2003. She and spouse Kevin purchased their personal piece of bluff country to use as a place to escape to on weekends and a few weeks through the year. In addition to a studio and shed where the kiln is located, the couple has recently planted a vineyard and built another shed, which Pariseau describes as the "Get Kevin's stuff out of my shed, shed."
Pottery is currently a part-time venture as Pariseau also works as a project manager for a small utility company for her "real job."
However, pottery has been her passion for the past 13 years, ever since taking a community education class with her sister. "It was something I had really wanted to do for a long time," she explained. "After the first class, I knew it was for me."
She continued to take workshops and learned different techniques and methods as she gradually built her own studios.
"I love how things are always changing," Pariseau explained as she described why she loves working with clay. "I am continually amazed that there are always new things to learn."
She makes a lot of mugs because they are in high demand with her buyers. The handles are a bit "fussy," she added, so they can be a pain. However, she also loves to buy other potters' mugs and has a collection she is quite proud of.
"Bowls are usually a really good seller too," Pariseau added. "They are a little more versatile. I like to start out with round shapes that can be reshaped into something with a twist."
She also makes uniquely shaped pouring vessels that are "so cute but incredibly fussy" with small lids, hand-shaped spouts and handles.
Pariseau describes her work as functional and useable stoneware. "I want people to use it and enjoy it," she added. "All of my pots are intended to be used. They should be used and they should be used daily. A lot of people are surprised by that fact."
When asked what makes her pottery different than that created by other potters in the area, Pariseau answered, "Everyone has a unique style to their pottery. I tend to use a lot of texture. Sometimes it's just a finger or subtle use of design in the rim."
No tool is exempt when it comes to being used to create texture in her pots. Pariseau noted pottery tools can include anything from a simple thumb to a zester from the kitchen. "I have bought so many zesters over the years and they all seem to end up in the studio."
Having two studios gives Pariseau the best of both worlds when it comes to creativity and control. She explained that her electric kiln in her Farmington studio allows a predictable result. It is best used for matching sets of dishes, things that are created when a certain color or affect is desired.
"With an electric kiln, you can put the pieces in, close it up and flip a switch and wait," Pariseau described. "With the wood kiln, it's much more of a process. It takes a whole day to load, we need to seal up the door and continually feed the fire for 24 hours straight." Then, there is a difficult waiting period of four to five days as the kiln cools down enough to safely open it and handle the pieces.
"If Kevin isn't around, sometimes I'll peek," she admitted with a grin.
The wood kiln at her Old Crow Studio in rural Lanesboro, fires at a higher temperature and the variations in air flow through the kiln allows for an unpredictable result in glazes and finishes. Wood ash can also settle and pool in pieces to create a molten glass affect on some surfaces.
"It's hard to get anything the same, with a lot of different colorations," Pariseau explained. "It is like Christmas morning when I open up the kiln after firing. Some of them come out and they are just gorgeous and some of them aren't. Some of them are the ones you had the highest expectations for, but they come out and they didn't do what I had hoped."
But, Pariseau added, there is a piece of her in every pot she removes from the kiln, whether it is in the care she has given it through its formation or how it is decorated and glazed. She definitely feels there is also a connection to the earth in her pots through the way they are made and fired with the wood.
"Each piece is kind of kissed by the fire," she explained. "It has some little spot on it that the fire has touched or the ash of the wood has landed on it and created a spot that you will never achieve again. So, each pot is unique."
Pariseau said she fires in the wood kiln about four times a year. This year they fired in March, April and May and have wanted to do another in October, but they did not have a free weekend, so are looking forward to doing one in November.
Because the kiln has a large capacity and there are only about 20 to 30 in the whole state of Minnesota, Pariseau has invited others to bring pieces to fire in her kiln as well. Last year, they were going to fire in July and she said Kevin had decided it was also a good time for a party. The heat was oppressive and while the firing was a success she said, "We are never firing in July ever, ever again."
However, she is open to a winter firing and may just do one if weather permits this year.
While Pariseau likes to crank the music while throwing her pots on the wheel, she enjoys the peace and quiet during the time she spends firing her wood kiln. "It's quiet, contemplative time," she added. "I listen to the fire, but the kiln is actually very quiet."
She also laughed when noting that after several hours of stoking the fire one really becomes "brain dead" anyway.
The long-term dream for Pariseau and her husband would be to spend more and more time at their rural retreat. "Eventually, I'd love to be here, in one place with one studio doing more with other people," she said. "I would love to find a balance between enjoying the solitude and having people in for workshops and gatherings, but having them leave again to allow us our peace and quiet."
She would also love to have a year's work of inventory done ahead of time, but Pariseau said she has never been able to make that work. "Life happens," she added with a smile.
In addition to being able to get one of her bowls at the Empty Bowls event later this month, one can find her work at the Lanesboro Local Marketplace in Lanesboro and the Bank Gift Haus in Wykoff. She also participates in Art in the Park on Fathers Day and the Bluff Country Artist Tour in the spring.
For more information and to view more of her work, one may also visit the Sue Pariseau Pottery website at www.suepariseaupotter.blogspot.com or shop online at www.etsy.com/shop/suepariseaupottery.
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ONE person has suffered serious internal injuries after a crash on the A350 in North Dorset.
The collision took place between a car and a box van. Six people are involved.
The A350 was closed until lunchtime but has now fully reopened, a spokesperson for Dorset Police said.
Diversions have been put on at the A357 Blandford to Sherborne and A30 Sherborne to Shaftesbury in both directions.
@Bournemouthecho Diversion info as C13 closed: A357 Blandford - Sherborne / A30 Sherborne - Shaftesbury both d'tions— Travel Dorset (@TravelDorset) July 30, 2014
Sergeant Dave Stroud from Dorset Police's traffic unit said: "At approximately 7am two vehicles were involved in a serious injury collision on the A350 at Steepleton bends.
"It would appear that a white Ford Fiesta travelling north on the A350 out of the county has lost control on the left hand bend and collided head on with a large goods vehicle."
Four young men were travelling in the Ford Fiesta and two men were in the lorry.
Sgt Stroud said four people had suffered slight injuries with two people from the car taken to hospital with more serious injuries.
Initally a force spokesperson said both the rear passengers in the car were seriously injured, including one who has reportedly suffered internal injuries.
The ambulance service later said one person had serious stomach injuries.
They were all taken to Dorset County Hospital.
The road is closed between Durweston Bridge and Iwerne Minster.
Both the Mercedes box van and the Ford Fiesta are still on the scene.
Dorset Fire and Rescue were also called to the scene.
Dorset Police were called by the ambulance service at 7am.
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The fire service tweeted just before 7.30am this morning -
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TRIBUTES have been paid to two teenagers who were killed in a car accident near North Nibley.
It happened at Furzeground Wood, in Damery Lane, near the rear of Michaelwood services at 10.55pm on Tuesday.
Two men, named locally as Harry Smith, 17, and Ollie Pain, 18, from the Dursley and North Nibley area, were killed in the single-vehicle crash.
Their families have been informed and Gloucestershire coroners' office said an inquest into their deaths would open tomorrow.
Tributes have been paid to the teenagers, believed to have been sixth form students at Katharine Lady Berkeley's School in Wotton-under-Edge, on Twitter.
Danielle Schofield posted: "Its always the good people that get taken from us too young. RIP."
Sian Slack said: "RIP Ollie and Harry, you will be missed."
Beckii Lammond wrote: "Too many people die young. Rest in peace, thoughts are with friends and family."
Both were members of Sodbury Vale Young Farmers' Club and it is believed they were travelling home from a bonfire and fireworks event in Old Sodbury on Tuesday night.
Secretary Emily Lawrence said on behalf of the club: "Harry and Ollie were fun loving and popular members of Sodbury Young Farmers. It is a huge shock to the club and they will be greatly missed.
"Our thoughts are with their friends and families at this terrible time."
Friends of the two teenagers visited the scene of the accident yesterday to pay their respects, with some leaving floral messages.
Taylor Williams, 21, from North Nibley, told the Gazette what Harry was like.
"A great kid, always happy, always had a smile on his face, he was countryside through and through," he said. "Both were great guys."
Ollie Price, 18, also from the North Nibley area, said he had known Ollie Pain for his entire life.
"He was a really nice guy, you could always get along with him, he was always up for a laugh," he said.
"I went to college with him everyday. I will miss him."
A spokesman for Gloucestershire police said: "Police are investigating after a collision near Dursley in which two people sadly died.
"A red Renault Clio has come off the road at Furzeground Wood. It is thought no other vehicles were involved.
"The driver, an 18-year-old man from North Nibley, and the passenger, a 17-year-old boy from Dursley, died at the scene."
Police are appealing for witnesses and are particularly interested in speaking to a woman who was driving a Suzuki 4x4 vehicle who stopped at the scene shortly after the collision.
Anyone who witnessed the incident should call police on 101 quoting incident 506 of November 13.
A Great Western Ambulance Service spokesman sent an ambulance, emergency care practitioner and a hazardous response team to the scene but the teenagers had died before they arrived.
Gloucestershire Fire and Rescue Service deployed 10 firefighters and two appliances and the road was closed until 7am yesterday.
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These days, it seems everyone is interested in eating locally grown products and buying locally produced goods. You know our products are made here in Oregon, but many of you want to know where the grains are grown. At Bob's Red Mill, we strive to buy ingredients as close to home as possible. Because of the breadth of items that we offer, sometimes we must look outside of the Northwest and, indeed, outside of the United States for our grains. Some grains simply are not grown in the United States in any appreciable quantity and some grains are best grown in their natural climates (like the mountains of Peru or the cold expanses of Saskatchewan).
Here is a rundown of where many of our grains are sourced from to help give you an idea of what we do to bring the best grains to you.
- Amaranth: India, Peru
- Buckwheat: United States
- Chia: Mexico
- Corn: California
- Flaxseeds:Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Montana, North Dakota
- Hard Red Wheat: Washington and Montana
- Hard White Wheat: Montana
- Kamut: Montana
- Millet: United States
- Oats: Saskatchewan, Manitoba and United States
- Pumpkin Seeds: Oregon
- Quinoa: Boliva, Peru
- Rice: California
- Rye: Saskatchewan
- Soft White Wheat: Oregon
- Spelt: Washington
- Teff: Nevada
- Triticale: Montana
- Wild Rice: California
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Note: The inside pages of this book are printed on non-glossy, cream colored (off white) paper.
Thanks to everyone who has already ordered a soft cover book.
Unleashed upon the skateboarding world from 1981 to 1991, Skate Fate was the first and longest-running homemade, photocopied skate zine. Published by GSD and jam-packed with hilarious interviews, corrosive articles, breath-snatching photography, vibrant artwork, twisted cartoons, clever ads (both real and fake) and the latest news, quotes and slang, it was all spontaneously laid out with ultra-vivid graphic design then urgently slammed into the mailboxes of fellow enthused skaters and zine makers all over the United States.
Just in time for the 30th anniversary, GSD unveils The Best of Skate Fate, a mega-thick, 320-page, stark black-and-white book bursting with the most crucial content culled from the pages of nearly all 76 issues of this legendary zine. It's delivered to you fresh from the pre-computer era, when pens, pencils, paper, glue, tape, triangles and T-squares were the tools of the trade. Scanned directly from the original master layouts, it all looks better than ever!
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Pop savant Thomas Walsh was born in his parents house in Drimnagh, Ireland, in 1969. "Lazy bugger even then I was, not wanting to go to the hospital to be born". As men landed on the moon and the sixties were officially coming to a grand musical close at Woodstock, Thomas set about listening to all the classic pop music that was streaming forth literally every week from his parents TV, radio and stereo. "My brothers started to bring Al Stewart, Mike Oldfield, Queen and E.L.O records into the house along with Roy Wood, Slade and Gilbert O'Sullivan ones that my Mam and Dad already had there.....you can see why I'm steeped in a love of great pop!".
Thomas's love of classic pop is manifested in his music - songwriting that has garnered him an impressive collection of celebrity name-drops he can count as fans (Brian Wilson! Jeff Lynne!)
His cricket-themed 2009 collaboration with The Divine Comedy's Neil Hannon ("The Duckworth Lewis Method") saw Thomas with an Ivor Novello award nomination and UK Top 40 album.
In 2011 Thomas, in his guise as Pugwash, along with Tosh Flood, Joey Fitzgerald and Shaun McGee, wrapped up recording of up their 5th melody-packed gem - "The Olympus Sound".
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Gov. Deval L. Patrick signed into law an extension on the
effective date of the Massachusetts Uniform Probate Code on Dec.
30. The MUPC will now go into effect on March 31, 2012. It was
previously set to go into effect on Jan. 2, 2012.
Still under consideration by the Legislature is a bill
establishing a uniform trust code, containing certain technical
corrections to the MUPC, and granting the Probate and Family Court
statutory authority to collect fees under the MUPC.
"The significant benefits to clients and the probate system as a
whole far outweigh this slight delay in implementation," said
Massachusetts Bar Association President Richard P. Campbell.
"Advocating for these necessary changes for two decades, the MBA is
confident that the broad-sweeping improvements gained from the MUPC
will be well worth the wait."
The MBA looks forward to continued work with the Legislature and
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I recall mention by some patients and/or caregivers as having had some bouts with cholangitis post liver resection. May I ask; what were the symptoms and what was prescribed to help with the problem? Dawn seems to be experiencing some generalized itching, not to the extent of her original CC symptoms, but noticeable. She does not seem to be jaundice, and her recent CT and PET scans did not indicate a reoccurrence.


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Spring 2011 Newsletter
Paul J. Dolan, Jr., Editor
In this Issue
From the Chair, Larry Woolf.
New APS Fellows Nominated from the Forum on Education, Peter J. Collings
APS Excellence in Physics Education Award, Paula Heron
From the Editor, Paul Dolan
FEd Sessions at APS March 2011 and April 2011 Meetings
2011 Physics Teacher Education Coalition Conference
Using Astronomy to Teach PhysicsArticles
- Forum on Engaging the Public, Dan Dahlberg and Philip W. Hammer
- Learn More About the Advanced Labs You Teach: ALPhA BUFFY Conference & Immersions, David Van Baak, Paul Dolan, Gabriel Spalding
- NanoDays 2011, Christine Akers
- NanoJapan: Connecting U.S. Undergraduates with the Best of Nanoscience Resarch in Japan, Cheryl Matherly and Junichiro Kono
- A LaserFest Teachers' Day: Outreach to Local Science Teachers at the SESAPS Meeting, Amber L. Stuver
- Local Physical Science Alliances (LPSAS) for Illinois, Carl Wenning
- What Can We Learn From Physics Teachers In High Scoring Countries On The TIMSS And PISA International Assessments?, Cherrill Spencer
- Using Clickers in a University Physics Course to Improve Student Achievement, Judith C. Stull, David M. Majerich, Andria C. Smythe, Susan Jansen Varnum, Joseph P. Ducette and Tiffany Gilles
- Answer to Challenge to the Readership, Paul Dolan.
- From the Editor of the Teacher Preparation Section, John Stewart
- PhysTEC Program at the University of California, Davis, David Webb
- Preparing urban students to teach in the urban classroom: Chicago State University's PhysTEC Program, Mel Sabella and Andrea Gay Van Duzor
Browsing the Journals, Carl Mungan
Web Watch, Carl Mungan
Executive Committee of the Forum on Education.
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