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Intel's Haswell NUC: D54250WYK UCFF PC Reviewby Ganesh T S on 1/3/2014 4:25 PM EST
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RealNinja - Friday, January 03, 2014 - linkMaybe not the most exciting computer around, but...would probably be more than sufficient for > 90% of office work-loads (email, word processing, spreadsheets, etc) Reply
DigitalFreak - Friday, January 03, 2014 - linkI actually have one of the first gen NUCs with the Core i3. My wife uses it in her home office and it works perfectly for what you mentioned. I have 2 1080p monitors hooked up to it via the HDMI ports. Reply
nevertell - Friday, January 03, 2014 - linkIntel is basically trying to miss every single possibility to increase thunderbolt adoption by not including it on all of their NUC's. Reply
darwinosx - Saturday, January 04, 2014 - linkYeah what the hell Intel...they sure are screwing up thunderbolt and TB 2 is great. Reply
ddriver - Saturday, January 04, 2014 - linkEven a puny ARM SOC at 1/5 of the price of this product can handle 90% of the computing needs of the general population - messaging, browsing, media consumption and casual gaming. Reply
JohanAnandtech - Saturday, January 04, 2014 - linkI am sorry, but I could not disagree more. Your evaluation is probably based upon your mobile web experience on your smartphone. Most "normal" websites, the kind that you like to visit when you are siting behind a desktop, feel very slow on our Atom based pc (1.8 Ghz N2800) and reading some PDFs with some pictures is pure horror. And do not even try to print a word document with 20 pages ... that takes minutes. You would be surprised how fast you miss the high single threaded performance of modern CPUs. Reply
thexile - Saturday, January 04, 2014 - linkDouble negative. So you actually agreeing with ddriver. Reply
skifiddle - Saturday, January 04, 2014 - linkNot goes with more, more than with disagree. Reply
wperry - Saturday, January 04, 2014 - linkStep 1) Make sure you're right
Step 2) Be a smartass
You neglected Step 1. Reply
bji - Sunday, January 05, 2014 - linkI can't believe that people actually argue about such ridiculously stupid things.
"I could not disagree more" means that I am already disagreeing the maximum amount possible -- if I could disagree more, I would; but I can't because I already disagree as much as possible. Get it? Reply
chrnochime - Sunday, January 05, 2014 - linkBurned haha. Go ask this question on any english forum worth its salt and realize how wrong you are LOL Reply
andrusoid - Thursday, January 09, 2014 - linkNot a double negative. Read a book, preferably one concerning grammar and english usage. "So you actually agreeing with ddriver." Something's missing. By the way, "dis" is not negation. (This is not a double negative statement, as well.) Reply
theangryintern - Friday, January 10, 2014 - linkThat sounds like a confession to me. In fact the double negative has led to proof positive. I'm afraid you gave yourself away. Reply
ddriver - Saturday, January 04, 2014 - linkYou can be sorry and disagree all you want but this will not change the facts.
That particular atom chip is a POC, slower than even mid-range contemporary phones, with terrible GPU (cripples browser rendering performance) and running a bloated OS. I have very smooth experience with both "desktop" websites (I hate crippled mobile versions) and with PDFs sporting high resolution images (here the reader implementation plays a tremendous role) on my phone (note 3) - that type of content is literally FLYING. I haven't been printing from the phone yet, but I am pretty sure it will not take minutes to print a 20 page document.
And don't think for a moment that I am used to sluggish performance and therefore have lower standards and expectations. My desktop config: i7 3770k 32gb samsung 830 SSD - while 2 years old, by no means a sloth. Reply
BehindEnemyLines - Sunday, January 05, 2014 - linkIt makes me wonder why Chrome OS laptops are moving from ARM to Intel x86 (Haswell) if it's "slower than even mid-range contemporary phones"? I mean, Chrome OS started with ARM, and it's pretty lightweight. Reply
Gigaplex - Sunday, January 05, 2014 - linkAn old Atom is slow, not Haswell. Reply
lhl - Friday, January 17, 2014 - linkI have both the Samsung Series 3 (Exynos 5) Chromebook and the new Haswell-based C720. Performance difference/day-to-day usability is night and day, the C720 blows aways the ARM Chromebook. While I'd imagine TDP to be slightly higher, the C720 actually has much longer battery life (8h vs 5h) while only being 3-4 ounces heavier. The C720 also has better build-quality, screen, keyboard, and trackpad... Reply
JohanAnandtech - Sunday, January 05, 2014 - linkI guess I will have to benchmark it to prove it. You are downplaying the N2800, but it was close enough to a 1.4 GHz Quad Cortex A9 with a 2 MB L2 (Calxeda ECX-1000). That is very similar to the current midrange Phone. In fact, given how bandwidth bottlenecked most ARM CPUs are, the 4 MB L2 would probably give that chip an edge over the current midrange. Reply
virtual void - Sunday, January 05, 2014 - linkThere is something about Intels CPU-design vs ARM that does not show in benchmarks like Geekbench and similar. Even the old Z2460 (single core "old" Atom) platform still feels quite snappy when running Android, the "feel" of this SoC is way better than what one would believe when looking purely at benchmarks.
My guess is that Intels CPU-cache design, especially L2, still is a couple of notch above what any ARM CPU vendor current got. Reply
shodanshok - Sunday, January 05, 2014 - linkI absolutely agree. In the past I tried to show that as benchmark results show, a single Atom Core is quite comparable to anything between one and two A9 cores. However, many poster simply choose to ignore this fact, accusing me to be totally wrong... Reply
chrnochime - Sunday, January 05, 2014 - linkWell if you can kindly point us to an arm equipped device similar in size, with the same kind of ports, that actually runs win8 and is available, by all means post the link. Until then, you can hypothetically speaking all you want. Reply
lhl - Friday, January 17, 2014 - linkYeah, I'm going to need to call BS on that. I assume that you haven't actually tried using those ARM SoC boards. I've tested most of the "high performance" ones (ODROID-X2 (Exynos 4), Samsung Chromebook (Exynos 5), Wandboard and UDOO (i.MX6 Quad)) w/ Ubuntu. First of all, cost on those are ~$150 w/ cases/power etc, so far from 1/5th the price (that's w/ soldered-in not-enough RAM and no storage). And second, the performance and software compatibility (anything from uBoot issues, to X11 drivers, to Flash Player) make them far less than ideal for general purpose usage.
The ARM SoCs make for great embedded boards - TDP is great and the IPU/VPU on the i.MX6 is really interesting, but a good experience for Jane User? No way.
For general computing work, the i5 may be overkill, but a 1037u BRIX retails for $170 (+$40 for a 4GB SODIMM) which is probably where I'd start. Reply
misfit410 - Tuesday, January 28, 2014 - linkAfter trying the Steam In Home Streaming beta, I think the market for such machines as a secondary gaming station for PC gamers will increase.. if you have a solid gaming machine on the same network, this is all you'd need for playing those games on your TV at full fidelity. Reply
asliarun - Friday, January 03, 2014 - linkAT and Ganesh, thanks once again for an excellent review. I have a couple of questions and a suggestion:
Q1. I am planning to build an audio server (optical or usb out from the PC - feeding to the rest of my stereo chain - Audio GD DAC acting as a DAC and preamp, Parasound power amp, and floorstanders). The NUC seems to be the ideal form factor for an audio server. Do you have any thoughts on this? Do you test audio quality (specifically stereo - not gaming audio) during your review and tests? I'm actually not planning to use the DAC of the onboard sound so that actually would not be an issue for me.
Q2. Another option I have been mulling over is to build a multi-purpose "steam box" kind of a device - that will let me run this SFF PC as an audio server, as an HTPC with XBMC, and will also let me do light to mid-level gaming with Steam big picture. I was actually waiting for Kaveri which I think will actually be more viable - but am not sure how well Haswell's integrated graphics stand up with something like Kaveri or even a graphics card. Especially with thermals and throttling in mind. What are your thoughts on the viability of the NUC in this regard? Do you have any pointers on what one should look at - considering that it should also be a small form factor (shoebox size)?
S1: This might sound silly, but can you please post pictures of the cabinets and boxes with some other object in the picture as well - to give us a visual perspective of how big/small it is? I see so many pictures of mini ITX cabinets and other HTPC cabinets, but almost all of them lack the size perspective. Looking at the pictures, I have no way to visually judge if it will fit in my media cabinet at all. I have to look at the dimensions every time and it is painful. For example, you could post a picture of the cabinet with a picture of an iPad alongside. Reply
Alketi - Friday, January 03, 2014 - linkIt's a 4.5" square and 1.5" tall. It's TINY. Reply
asliarun - Friday, January 03, 2014 - linkThanks. Wow, that is tiny indeed. Slightly OT - I have a Minix Neo X5 which has somewhat similar dimensions and is also fanless. It is actually quite a credible audio (and average quality video) server. However, being on the Android platform and based on some Rokchip version, the lack of software support is frustrating. For example, I wanted to install LMS (Logitech Media Server) so that I can serve audio to my Squeezebox. However, there is no port of LMS to Android that I know of.
Maybe, I should wait for the Silvermont version of NUC. It is supposed to release in the next couple of months. It can act as a fully fanless audio server. On second thoughts, having gaming expectations from this small a device is not a great idea. Reply
Alketi - Saturday, January 04, 2014 - linkI have the i3 Haswell NUC and use it solely as an XBMC server via OpenELEC. I leave it on all the time, with XBMC set to turn off its display after X minutes. I measured 6W idle on mine, which nicely matches Ganesh's findings.
And sitting 8-10 feet away, I can't hear the fan at all. It's probably OFF when idling at 6W, and I still hear nothing during a movie (the quiet parts), as the NUC only pulls 13W when playing 1080P video.
I'm very happy. Reply
ShieTar - Saturday, January 04, 2014 - linkThere are already fanless mods of the current NUC, see for example http://tinyurl.com/p9vq9qm Reply
asliarun - Saturday, January 04, 2014 - linkI have been following fanlesstech for a while. They have written about some very interesting fanless cases. A surprising number of them are for the NUC.
There's stuff from Habey, Streacom and the like. But also some exotic ones - very good eye candy.
This one is my favourite for example: http://htpc.jp/u3/index.html
Personally, I believe that a Bay Trail (especially Bay Trail D) / Silvermont based system is the best fit for a NUC form factor. We could build a very viable system for well under $500, with a system draw in the 10W-15W range that can give us a fully fanless system if we wanted to, and will still have the same horsepower as a Core2Duo system (Bay Trail D). I feel that Haswell is a wrong choice from a cost, heat, and noise perspective.
Here's an example: http://www.fanlesstech.com/2013/12/very-first-bay-...
The only open question is if these Bay Trail based HTPC systems will be capable of full blown HTPC duty. I would think so based on technical specs but real world is another thing entirely.
Maybe Anandtech could do a review?? :) Reply
Wixman666 - Saturday, January 04, 2014 - linkI believe that the Haswell family is a better solution overall. The on die Intel 5000 video is GREAT. Even though the Bay Trail looks decent, it isn't as well-rounded. Reply
CSMR - Saturday, January 04, 2014 - linkIntel will release a bay trail NUC shortly. Should be powerful enough for HTPC tasks but 23.976Hz capability is unknown. Unfortunately it only supports one SATA, so HDD+mSATA is not possible as it is with these Haswell NUCs. Reply
Solandri - Saturday, January 04, 2014 - linkThe tiny size is really the only advantage this brings to a HTPC. For $680, you can buy a decent laptop with better specs and similar power profile, and use that as your HTPC. Reply
Lundmark - Saturday, January 04, 2014 - linkYeah, it's very tiny. Here's an image I made for comparisons (based on USB port size on Mac mini's backside).
http://imgur.com/u2tRI85 Reply
ganeshts - Friday, January 03, 2014 - linkThanks for your kinds words.
1. For HTPC reviews, we don't test audio quality because the traditional use case is to get digital audio out of the HDMI port and on to the AV receiver for further processing. The on-board DAC is not that important for the living room HTPC, though I can see it being an issue in other scenarios. But, again, I feel that in the other scenarios, ease of use / power etc. take more precedence over onboard DAC sound quality (as long as it is not absolutely horrible).
2. I wouldn't suggest a box this small (and with this power envelop) for mid-level gaming. Light gaming might be OK. You could consider the BRIX Pro with Iris Pro, but the thermals on that m/c are yet to be evaluated.
3. Will take that into consideration for future reviews. Reply
asliarun - Friday, January 03, 2014 - linkThanks for your reply, Ganesh!
Even with a digital out, there seems to be a huge amount of variability in terms of jitter. Maybe this is overkill, but I love the fact that you guys do reviews so thoroughly, and would love it even more if you could review sound quality in more detail. IMHO, sound quality is often neglected and people tend to see this as the domain of "audiophiles". However, it is as important (if not more) as video quality on which several pages of a typical review are normally dedicated. All the more because DACs are getting hugely better and more affordable, and so are other components like headphones and amps. In a reasonably "revealing" system, audio quality starts making a big difference. Again, just my two cents. Reply
selimnairb - Friday, January 03, 2014 - linkWhen I saw this review, I got excited that this could provide a high-quality Mac mini alternative. However, once you add the SATA, memory, and wireless card, and OS (if you want to run Windows) the Mac mini is a better value, plus you get OS X (if you want that). Even running Linux, this thing doesn't make much sense from a price point of view (unless you really value DIY). Reply
purerice - Friday, January 03, 2014 - linkTrue it gets expensive, which is a bummer. A desktop i3 w/ 4400 or 4600 iGPU would be faster than the HD 5000 and cost less. A cheap 2.5" HD would also be about $130 less. Full-sized RAM can be had for cheaper as well.
I get that NUC = low power, they could easily bring the cost of a complete system down to $500 by making a few small compromises in TDP. For $780 w/Windows you can get an equivalently powerful laptop/convertible that naturally has a screen and more connectivity. Reply
dstarr3 - Friday, January 03, 2014 - linkThe Mac Mini isn't necessarily any better value. Configuring one to the 8GB like this NUC and you're already at the same cost. You then have to upgrade to SSD in the Mini, and that puts you over $1k. The real problem is that these very small systems don't actually cost less than a full-size computer. They deliver less performance at the same cost in the name of form factor and efficiency. Which, y'know, if that's what you value, that's a perfectly reasonable way to spend the money. But, the idea that smaller equals cheaper is certainly an illusion. Reply
name99 - Friday, January 03, 2014 - linkThe interesting point is not that the mini is absolutely cheaper. It's that, even after years of it not being true, we still hear a constant whine about the "Apple Tax". There's value in simply pointing out, repeatedly, that Apple products, whether it's mac mini or mac pro, are comparably priced to the competition. You can find details that are different, but the point is "comparably" priced, not outrageously more expensive.
What IS the case (which may or may not matter to a buyer) is that Apple doesn't sell low-end stuff --- if you want something comparable to that $350 laptop in Best Buy, well, Apple isn't going to sell you a laptop with those (low-end) specs at that (low-end) price.
Of course you lose SOME flexibility if you go with a Mac Mini. But you also get some things in return, right now, most obviously, Fusion drive.
On the third hand, it's kinda a moot point because, for reasons that are unclear, Apple STILL does not ship a Haswell mac mini, so if Haswell is important to you, it's NUC or nothing.
(My hypothesis is that Apple is delaying the mini update to try as best they can to even out their revenue stream. Right now they have this crazy unbalanced system where they upgrade the laptops as soon as Intel has the CPU ready, so generally Q2, then Q3 they release the new iPhone, Q4 is the new iPad and iMac, plus Christmas and Chinese New Year plus the iPhone delayers who didn't upgrade the day of the release so a FLOOD of cash, then a lean Q1. Post Jan 1 purchases for Chinese New Year help a bit, but if you release a new mini in Q1 rather than Q2,3,4 you do make some small change at the margin to move revenue into Q1.
We'll see if I'm right soon enough...
The other thing they could do to even things out would be to establish a pattern of speed bumps for iOS devices in late Q1/early Q2. With their control over the CPU this should now be possible, and establishing a pattern of speed jumping by 10% or so, just a 100 or 150MHz bump, on the 6 month beats would again do something to start shifting revenue and demand across the year. It can't be optimal for productivity to have factories ramp up for such massive demand concentrated into three months, and more idle the rest of the year.) Reply
brucek2 - Saturday, January 04, 2014 - linkIn addition to the lack of low end offerings, Apple's value "tax" can also kick in as the months roll by in between their often lengthy refresh cycles. A model that had good components at a reasonable price on the day it was introduced, can sometimes start to look really non-competitive in its 11th month. Reply
nico_mach - Saturday, January 04, 2014 - linkThat's why apple fans (repeat customers) purchase their PCs as soon as they're released, which is good for Apple PR.
I think that difference is seriously overblown, however. The processor details, especially on a desktop PC, are getting more irrelevant.
For HTPCs, the performance has been good enough for a while. Reply
Jan-Willem Arnold - Sunday, January 25, 2015 - linkYes, the price will get close to a Mac Mini.
And then:
- A Mac Mini will retain its value over time very well. You can sell it after some years for a good price.With a NUC, you can probably forget about that.
- OSX - which is great.
- Thunderbolt ports
- Better case
- Built in power supply
- Supports high end audio when you use a DAC, the clock form the DAC can trigger OSX, which is great.
- Great drivers, everything works out of the box
- They built it, tested it and will support it for you. Apple takes a lot of responsibility to make sure everything works well together, where other manufacturers offer just the bare hardware and ask almost the same amount. Reply
cgalyon - Friday, January 03, 2014 - linkI am curious how this compares to the less expensive BRIX models and the less expensive version of the NUC (around $250 at Newegg). Reply
hfm - Friday, January 03, 2014 - linkI must be the only one that didn't know what the F** a NUC was...
Even their own site doesn't say unless you can see behind the play button on the video intro on the bottom..
That said, how is this different from other VESA mount units in the past? Reply
xodusgenesis - Friday, January 03, 2014 - linkWhy would you choose this over a Raspberry PI for XBMC? $45<$600+ Reply
Alketi - Friday, January 03, 2014 - linkxodusgenesis, the i3 NUC is more like $400, but to answer the question:
1. Flawless playback of high-bit rate bluray rips.
2. Support/passthrough for _all_ forms of HD multichannel audio.
There are others, but those are my main reasons. Reply
patterson32 - Friday, January 03, 2014 - linkAre there quieter 3rd party fans available? I'd get one of the fanless cases but they're huge and can cost a lot compared to the board. Reply
patterson32 - Friday, January 03, 2014 - linkI hope this board layout, nano-ITX or pico-ITX gets more popular among motherboard and case makers. Sometimes, I want to put something together that may not actually be super small but want to have a lot of internal space for other things. Reply
morganf - Friday, January 03, 2014 - linkNo comment on the CIR sensor? Did you try testing it with one or more types of remote controls to see how well it works and what it is compatible with? Reply
quillaja - Friday, January 03, 2014 - linkI have almost this same NUC build (but I went with 16gb RAM and a 240gb Intel SSD). So far I'm quite happy with it. My favorite thing is using DP 1.2 MST to drive 2 monitors. I'm glad all 4 usb ports are USB3, though I don't have any USB3 devices.
The bad thing I encountered is drivers. Win 8.1 x64 didn't detect and install drivers for the AC7260 wifi card automatically, which of course handicapped the rest of the install due to lack of internet connection. Therefore I had to install most of the drivers manually, which, these days, is pretty lame in my opinion. There are still 3 "unknown" devices in device manager which haven't been addressed by windows.
I've had this NUC since Thanksgiving, so hopefully MS/Intel have corrected the driver issue I experienced. Reply
bigdang - Saturday, January 04, 2014 - linkWhich devices are not being recognized? I had some devices not recognized on my box, but I was able to clear those up by downloading drivers from the NUC product support page. I downloaded the Management Engine Driver, the Nuvotron Driver, and (IIRC) the Gigabit Ethernet controller driver. Reply
quillaja - Saturday, January 04, 2014 - linkDevice manager lists them as "PCI Simple Communications Controller", "SM Bus Controller", and "Unknown device". I strongly suspect the "unknown device" is the IR receiver (Nuvotron). I guessed I could probably get drivers for these devices from Intel's support page, but since not having them hasn't really affected the operation of my PC, I never bothered. I just dislike knowing that things aren't "perfect". Reply
jhoff80 - Saturday, January 04, 2014 - linkThe first two happen on any Intel-based PC, not just this one. It's the Intel management stuff. Reply
Lundmark - Friday, January 03, 2014 - linkThanks for the review. I'm getting a new HTPC any day now. Should I get the NUC or a Mac mini?
I like Macs better and I know it will work with my TV's remote control, since it supports Apple remotes. But, apparently, there are issues with 24p both on Intel HD 4000 (which is off by 00,003 fps and thus shouldn't matter?) and OS X, which outputs exactly 24 fps and not 23,976. This causes judder, even if Plex/XBMC is set to match video speed to refresh rate. Apparently, you can fix this with SwitchResX, but it's a hack. I would probably run Windows on the Mac anyway for HD audio support. How serious is the Intel HD 4000 24p "bug", really? 00,003 frames sounds like nothing.
I'm also interested in what type of IR commands the NUC supports. With the Mac, I know what I'm getting and that it works, but I have no experience with the NUC. Incidentally, I need to find out if the NUC can be made to listen to any of the IR codes in my TV's database. My TV has IR blasters and downloads IR codes from the web, but that requires that the right codes are in the database. If the NUC can listen to an Apple remote, then I know it will work.
What do you think? Reply
DigitalFreak - Friday, January 03, 2014 - linkThe HDMI full range problem you mentioned appears to be fixed if you do a registry edit.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1477460/theory-about-int... Reply
Alketi - Saturday, January 04, 2014 - linkIt's also fixed in the latest OpenELEC nightly builds, if you're considering this as a dedicated HTPC running XBMC. Reply
JDG1980 - Friday, January 03, 2014 - linkI lost interest in this review when I realized that the system didn't have Iris Pro. Why is Intel so stingy in parceling out this SKU? Are they having yield problems? At this point, for all intents and purposes, it appears to be a rMBP-only part. I did a Google search for the Gigabyte BRIX that's supposed to have Iris Pro, but found only announcement articles - no reviews and no sellers. Has that been released yet?
I really don't get Intel's strategy with Iris Pro. It's almost like they don't want it to succeed. Reply
ganeshts - Friday, January 03, 2014 - linkI have a review unit in hand :) Review coming up after CES, may do a quick rundown before that... Reply
elian123 - Saturday, January 04, 2014 - linkGreat! Really looking forward to that as I'm very interested in the Brix Pro.
I hope in the review you can shed some light on the performance at 60Hz over displayport on UHD displays such as the Asus PQ321QE. Reply
Jeffrey Bosboom - Saturday, January 04, 2014 - linkI'm also looking forward to the Brix Pro review, but please do some gaming tests in addition to the HTPC stuff. I'm curious how an Iris Pro part compares to a hypothetical Steam box with AMD's integrated graphics or a low-end discrete card. (I'm guessing it'll be thermally-limited, though I don't know what the Brix Pro's cooling is like.) Reply
elian123 - Sunday, January 05, 2014 - linkDefinitely interested in thermals of Brix Pro. Where the Brix's U-series CPUs have 15W TDP, the Brix Pro's R-series CPUs have 65W. Reply
DanNeely - Saturday, January 04, 2014 - linkMY assumption is a combination of limited production capacity, and/or too much power consumption to put it anywhere except the top of the product range. It's currently only on 47W TDP models; estimating it's share of the total TDP isn't easy because the best match for the CPU in the fastest Iris pro is a 37W part while the best match for the CPU in the slowest IRIS pro is a 17W model. While there's probably differential binning going on, it suggests that a lower performing IRIS ram chip is a power pig. Reply
bobbozzo - Friday, January 03, 2014 - linkYou can find fanless (aluminum) NUC cases.
Unless Silvermont is much cheaper, I don't see the point as performance (CPU, maybe GPU too) will be much worse. Reply
bobbozzo - Friday, January 03, 2014 - linkPatterson, there's lots of fanless NUC cases; many are quite small.
see http://www.fanlesstech.com/search/label/TRANQUIL%2... for examples. Reply
patterson32 - Saturday, January 04, 2014 - linkYa but the ones I like cost too much compared to the total system cost. That's why I'm trying to see if there are any quieter fan replacements instead. Reply
jason64 - Saturday, January 04, 2014 - linkMany of the good small ones need to be imported for US customers which just adds to the already high cost. At least for me anyway. I don't mind going with a quieter fan solution as long as the noise doesn't annoy me especially when watching movies. Reply
bobbozzo - Friday, January 03, 2014 - linkHi Ganesh,
1. Any hope of this thing doing 4k video?
What about the BRIX with Iris Pro?
2. how loud is it when playing movies?
3. how loud is it idle?
Thanks for the reviews! Reply
Alketi - Saturday, January 04, 2014 - linkIt's silent at IDLE.
It's unnoticeably quiet for me when playing 1080P bluray rips (sitting 8-10 feet away).
And, regarding 4K -- my best advice, which I read myself as I had the same concern -- buy a new $400 toy when 4K finally becomes mainstream and you have both the content, and a television, and an HDMI interface, and a receiver to play them with. Don't worry about future-proofing a sub-$500 item. :) Reply
ganeshts - Saturday, January 04, 2014 - linkYes, this can do 4K video to the extent of what other GPUs from AMD / NV can do. I am not so sure about very complicated 4K encodes. We plan to standardize our 4K HTPC evaluation in Q3 when HDMI 2.0 (4Kp60-capable) sources and sinks come into the market.
Fan noise is only an issue if you are using it as an office machine and sitting less than 3ft away from it (and that too in a quiet environment). This issue is there at idle too.
If you are 3ft. or more away, I don't think it is even possible to hear the fan :) Reply
chizow - Saturday, January 04, 2014 - linkStill too pricey imo for what it is and what it is limited in doing. I was wondering why a rash of sales popped up on the last-gen NUC with i3 + Thunderbolt today, on sale at a variety of places for $160. That is what I am looking to pay for one of these units given the fact you still need to buy RAM and an mSATA. I wonder if Intel would introduce a cheaper Atom version as Atom seems to be the cure for all Intel-price-related woes. :D
I was hoping this updated version corrected the biggest downside of the original, the requirement of mSATA but it only looks like the pricier WYKH SKU allows for full 2.5" SSDs. I have plenty of those in the 120-128GB range so I'd rather not spend another $120 or so on a similar sized mSATA drive. Also, Intel still not including a mickey-mouse power cable is ridiculous, it really feels like they are doing everything they can to not sell these things. Reply
Acarney - Saturday, January 04, 2014 - linkI'm confused by the comments about the Brix Pro. I still haven't seen a price or even release date for it. Do you guys have inside knowledge of it? I kinda thought it might have been cancelled... Reply
elian123 - Saturday, January 04, 2014 - linkI haven't found much information either, although this did look good to me: https://twitter.com/IntelGaming/status/41454908150... Ganesh's remark that he has a review unit (http://www.anandtech.com/comments/7566/intels-hasw... is even better of course. Reply
cen - Saturday, January 04, 2014 - linkI never understood why Anandtech never mentiones anything about Linux in their hardware reviews. This seems like a perfect htpc device to put Linux on and I am sure that some readers would be happy to know what are the hoops to go through on the Linux side, the state of Netflix, any driver issues etc. Why pay the Windows tax if you can get the same or pehaps even better experience for free? Reply
fackamato - Saturday, January 04, 2014 - linkJust check out the HD5000 GPU support under Linux, that should give you a good idea about the HTPC capabilities. Reply
patterson32 - Saturday, January 04, 2014 - linkThere are other components where it would be nice if they were tested on Linux especially as part of a particular system like the BRIX and NUC. Scouring for info for each component is less desirable than having the entire system tested and reviewed in a single article. Reply
patterson32 - Saturday, January 04, 2014 - linkI always hope AT will write more on Linux topics but they never do. The focus is almost solely on Windows. It'd be nice if they did hardware reviews with Linux and give the usual details of what works and what doesn't and other very detailed information.
The only okay site I know of that does Linux hardware stuff is Phoronix but that site uses tests that aren't that meaningful especially for non-GPU hardware and desktop use. For other hardware, they just gloss over many details. Their "analysis" are often blurbs like the power consumption is less than system x. Useless, I can see that on the graph and the system x is some much higher performing non-comparable device. Reply
jason64 - Saturday, January 04, 2014 - linkPhoronix hardware "reviews" aren't very useful for potential buyers who want to use Linux apart from Michael's GPU driver tests. It'd nice if AnandTech started writing Linux articles. Reply
chizow - Saturday, January 04, 2014 - linkMain limitation I think for HTPC use for people like me is lack of ability to play CableCARD DRM content. I've looked into the alternatives, and there still isn't anything on the Linux/Android/iOS market yet that can replace Windows Media Center for Premium CableCARD content (HBO, MAX, SHO etc.) DLNA is enabling some workarounds (PS3, native SmartTV Apps), but the end-product still isn't as good or as fast as WMC's interface. Reply
Lundmark - Saturday, January 04, 2014 - linkHD audio. I don't think you can get HD audio on Linux. Reply
ganeshts - Sunday, January 05, 2014 - linkJust testing out OpenELEC right now and HD audio passthrough support is great in the latest dev build. That is an embedded Linux system :) Reply
fluxtatic - Sunday, January 05, 2014 - linkI realize the crowd here skews a little different, but consider Linux' marketshare at less than 2%. Not to mention the endless whining - "Ubuntu sucks, test it under Mint" "Don't use kiddie distros, use Debian" "I thought you were teh hardc0r3z, use Arch" etc, etc, ad infinitum.
I kid, I kid. But seriously, probably more work than it's worth, really, since you would essentially be nearly doubling the work of reviews, and it would split half the work for 90% of the market, half the work for the remaining 10% (round up on Linux marketshare to an even 2% and say it's maybe 5x more common amongst the AT crowd.) Reply
stratum - Monday, January 06, 2014 - linkWell, I want Linux content so I'm asking for it. If enough people ask nicely then maybe one day AnandTech will provide more Linux content.
Also, it's not just the Linux crowd who talk about being "l33t" and all that. I see it a lot among PC builders (many of them comment here as well) who like adding useless LEDs to everything and talk about how cool their water cooling solution is especially because it has LEDs on it. The same with video encoding, video playback and anything where you can categorize yourself in. Whatever topic you talk about, there are always going to be a group of immature people who think they're superior to everyone else. Reply
stratum - Monday, January 06, 2014 - linkAs for the whole market share thing. Just look at the articles here on AnandTech. What percent of the population or even just the readers of this site actually do OpenCL/CUDA programming, use 10 GbE NAS's and switches, rackmount anything, $5000 workstations, administrate servers, etc. yet AnandTech writes articles about them? Reply
shank15217 - Saturday, January 04, 2014 - linkThese things, NUC, BRIX, Nano would be so much more useful if they have 2 NICs!! Reply
signorBlu - Monday, January 06, 2014 - linkSome Zotac ZBox models do have 2 NICs... Reply
barleyguy - Saturday, January 04, 2014 - linkAny idea how this compares to a Mac Mini, in performance, power consumption, fan noise, and features? It seems like that would be a competing solution for many of the same uses. Reply
jason64 - Saturday, January 04, 2014 - linkYes, please hire a Linux guy for Linux articles. Also, have him come up with tests for integration with component and system reviews.
Thank you. Reply
NAC - Saturday, January 04, 2014 - linkIn my opinion, these NUC computers are still way too expensive for what you get. For less than $680, you can get a laptop with i5, a SSD, memory and wifi - not to mention the screen, keyboard, battery, operating system installed, optical drive if you want, and ability to use it anywhere when you want. Granted, a laptop is much bigger and heavier. But if you are willing and able to build a NUC, you can easily build a small shelf for a laptop in the back of a desk or somewhere, hidden out of sight just like a NUC.
When I replaced my HTPC, I chose a refurbished i3 laptop for about $220 delivered. It is usually in a cabinet, and I can take it with me when I travel if I want. Reply
Lundmark - Saturday, January 04, 2014 - linkWell, I guess there will always be people arguing for hotdogs because they serve the same purpose as sirloin steak. Reply
Calista - Sunday, January 05, 2014 - linkFor those of us with a big tv or projector having a small second screen make a lot of sense. If I only wish to play music, why should I have my 60" tv turned on? NAC is right, if a similar laptop is $500, why does the NUC cost more for less? Reply
fluxtatic - Sunday, January 05, 2014 - linkYeah, but isn't having options grand? In your theoretical example, I'm now paying for a bunch of stuff I don't use - battery, screen, kb, etc. Assuming I want strictly something to plug into the TV and shove into a cabinet.
For me, I'm seriously considering a NUC for when I replace my wife's PC next summer. There's currently a mid-ATX tower on the coffee table in my living room, and I'm definitely going smaller next time around. Now it's just a question of how small I can go for the money it will cost.
To be honest, though, the discussion would be very nearly settled if there were Mini-ITX options for AMD FM2 processors. Haswell's nice, but I don't know that I can bring myself to pay Intel prices when the time comes. Reply
Gigaplex - Sunday, January 05, 2014 - linkIf the laptop is cheaper then you're not really paying for the screen etc. You're getting a discount with the caveat that those extras that you don't want are bolted on. Reply
darwinosx - Saturday, January 04, 2014 - linkInteresting but I'll wait for the Haswell Mac Mini. Reply
Lundmark - Saturday, January 04, 2014 - linkI thought about that too. Who knows for how long we have to wait, though? The Mac mini was neglected for almost three years before the current design replaced it. Reply
TheinsanegamerN - Saturday, January 04, 2014 - link2014: mac mini with core i7 4750hq and iris pro. Reply
LuckyKnight - Sunday, January 05, 2014 - linkI've had one of these since they came out in the UK and it's a very good as a dedicated streaming device running XBMC on Linux. You can set the minimal fan speed to 20% in the BIOS and it runs practically silent. If it needs to ramp up (say when playing a game on a emulator then it can).
The only bad thing is the cost of the unit (with mSSD, RAM). Reply
airi - Sunday, January 05, 2014 - linkYes, please look into writing Linux articles and integrating Linux into hardware reviews. Reply
Aikouka - Monday, January 06, 2014 - linkI have i3 Haswell NUC, and it's a pretty good unit all-around. I'm currently waiting for a good fanless third-party case, because while the NUC is fairly quiet, it's still audible in a quiet room. The fan's noise is also a little whiny, which I am not a fan of. There are announcements for fanless options that will provide 2.5" drive options as well, which could be good for creating a network-based DVR.
As for the inability to bitstream, I have that exact same problem, and it's rather bewildering. My NUC was fine as I could bitstream without any problems in PLEX (WASAPI is the only option for bitstreaming in PLEX). As you can guess based on my choice in verb tense, I have the problem now, but it's strange how it appeared. Everything was fine until I loaded up a TV stream (networked from an InfiniTV 6 ETH) in WMC7, and I noticed that I wasn't getting any sound. Now, I can no longer bitstream in PLEX. I also cannot bitstream on my i3-3225-based HTPC either. I've also had this problem on an i7 860 + GTX 660 Ti system as well, but that went away with a graphics driver upgrade.
Anyway, you can get a temporary fix on the problem by setting your speaker configuration up in Windows, and telling your front-end (XBMC, PLEX, etc.) that your receiver is not Dolby Digital- and DTS-compatible. So, now my AVR just says "MULTI-CH IN" all the time as it's just getting a PCM stream from the PC. Reply
ganeshts - Monday, January 06, 2014 - linkThere is no problem with the bitstreaming from MPC-HC or any of the other media players which support that... It is only within XBMC in DirectSound mode and Netflix app.
That said, I was able to bitstream successfully even from OpenELEC (which means users don't have to pay the Windows tax to make a very capable media streamer, except when Blu-ray menus are needed) Reply
alpha754293 - Monday, January 06, 2014 - linkI wonder how this would compare - say to a Mac Mini. It seems that if the price difference between the two systems isn't more than $100-150 - why would I want to go with something like this vs. a Mac mini? (not to be an Apple fanboy or anything - but moreso for a complete pro/con analysis of each solution/type of solution in order to determine which is better in terms of technical specifications, performance, etc...) Reply
gochichi - Tuesday, January 07, 2014 - linksize of chassis is not the issue, it's never been the issue as can be clearly seen in the Mac Pro. What we need to look at is the particulars, the shapes and the size of the things that do matter to thermal efficiency. So if this thing had the fan that it should have in it due to its giant size (yes, I'm calling this NUC business GIGANTIC vs Surface Pro). I remember back in the day taking duct tape and sealing all the extra ridiculous vents on my desktop's case only to see noise and temperature reductions!! The idea that huge cases with a bunch of random vents are good thermal design is really wrong on so many levels. One well placed asymmetric fan is sufficient for a MacBook Pro... I'm just not understanding the general lack of expectations and standards. I expect so much more. Reply
SeanFL - Wednesday, January 15, 2014 - linkJust built one one of these and am very impressed. It's used for audio editing. Very very tiny and doesn't make much noise. I can't believe it's more powerful than the shuttle or fractal design mini itx I built last year. Hope to see more work being done in tiny form factor desktops. Reply
hellt - Thursday, January 30, 2014 - linkI think its crucial to specify that haswell NUCs are specified to use DDR3L memory according to spec sheet http://ark.intel.com/products/76978/Intel-NUC-Kit-...
Some amazon reviewers got a problem with that - they bought DDR3 memory tweaked for overclocking (with higher voltages) and werent able to boot the nuc, because of the power insufficient. Reply
kgh00007 - Tuesday, April 01, 2014 - linkCheck this out, there are a set of 2133MHz G.Skill Ripjaws that will post on the i5 nuc, I'm about to order a set!
http://www.legitreviews.com/gskill-ripjaws-8gb-213... Reply
wordsofpeace - Saturday, February 08, 2014 - linkMaybe overkill, but wouldn't this board make a good basis for FreeNAS? What else would I need? SATA connections? How would that happen? Reply
kgh00007 - Tuesday, April 01, 2014 - linkHi, are you guys aware that you can increase the TDP of the i5 model in the BIOS settings or using intel Extreme Tuning Utility?
It is possible to up the TDP of the i5-4250u to 30w, which gives the GPU 24W and greatly improves performance.
Is there any chance you could re-run some tests to see the difference between 15W TDP and 30W? Reply
feelingblue74 - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - linkSomeone can answer to this important questions?
1) Can Haswell GPU output RGB Full 10bit?
2) Can Haswell GPU in DXVA Mode manage driver post processing (Sharpness and denoise) without dropping frames on firstname.lastname@example.com?
3) How is Chroma upsampling quality?
4) How are banding?
5) Can Haswell output true 16-235 color space? Reply


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It's taking control of the airwaves, music charts, night clubs, music festivals, possibly even your iPod: electronic dance music, or EDM as it is commonly called. Not only are some of these DJs making millions of dollars, but they're breaking records on the Billboard charts as well. Just this week, David Guetta's single "Titanium" broke a record on the Billboard Dance/Club Chart by having the longest stay on the chart since Michael Jackson's "Thriller."
EDM has gained quite a large following in the past five years — so much so that music festivals such as Coachella and Lollapalooza have increased the number of EDM acts showcased at each event. There have even been festivals created that are solely dedicated to the genre, including the Ultra Music Festival in Miami, which attracted 165,000 visitors at this year's event; and the wildly popular Electronic Daisy Carnival, which attracted approximately 320,000 guests at this year's three-day event in Las Vegas and generated $207 million in revenue.
Still think EDM is just a fad? Looks like it's here to stay.
So it's of no surprise that EDM has found a lovely home and fan-base in the Valley, with night clubs hosting EDM artists to DJs performing at hotel restaurants (a la the District American at the Sheraton in Downtown Phoenix).
"Our proximity to Las Vegas and Los Angeles has helped our local scene grow," says Matt Brough, director of talent for Steve LeVine Entertainment & Public Relations (SLE) in Scottsdale. "With parties like EDC, and clubs like Marquee, the fans have an unparalleled access to the world's top DJs and parties."
However, EDM has always had a following, dating back to the early 1980s when synthesizers became popular with bands like The Eurythmics and Depeche Mode. It wasn't until nearly 20 years later when high-profile DJs began to notice their music cross over to a mass audience. The reason for this cross over? According to Steve LeVine, CEO of SLE, it's accessibility.
"Great dance music has been around for many years," says LeVine, creator of the Sound Wave music festival, an electronic music festival held in Tempe, which hit its all-time attendance record with nearly 10,000 people attending this year's event. "I believe the popularity has increased because people can access music easier than ever and there are more mediums playing many different genres.
"As DJs, we became the trend setters that introduced dance music to our own individual markets and now many years later, dance music has taken over the airwaves and is what you hear everywhere," LeVine adds.
And it seems to be played by just about anybody, too. Remember when Paris Hilton tried her hand at DJ-ing? Or perhaps how Solange Knowles, younger sister of Beyonce, started record-spinning a couple years ago? Although it may seem like fun, easy even, a lot more work goes into being a DJ than one may think. The skill is something more than just splicing together a playlist of top radio hits; it's an art-form, according to Alexander Siordian, Radio Technician at KISS FM. For many DJs across the Valley, it's about feeling and knowing the music and experimenting by trial-and-error, he adds.
"Technology is an amazing thing," Brough says. "Right now is the easiest it has ever been to be 'a' DJ. To be a 'good' DJ is a whole other story.
"Anyone can download the Beatport Top 20 songs and mix those together with the Sync button. It takes years of skill and talent to know how to program the right song at the right time to take the dance floor on a real journey," Brough said.
While the radio and YouTube has introduced many to the genre and its nationally recognized names such as Deadmau5, David Guetta and Steve Aoki, closer-to-home venues, including Smashbox, Wild Knight and El Santo, are taking the initiative to showcase local talent. For instance, El Santo Cantina in Scottsdale is hosting a month-long DJ series this fall, which was kicked off by Paul Oakenfold's performance in September.
"Electronic music has an energy behind it that generally is not captured with traditional radio music," Brian Ruede, owner of El Santo Cantina in Scottsdale. "It also often incorporates remixes of popular radio songs that allow it to cross over to mainstream listeners.
"EDM is a high energy, feel-good music that brings a great crowd. We love the crowd and the energy that comes with these shows."
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Aaaaaand we finally died. Me and my friend were looking for the deerstand near Kabanino when someone suddenly shot me from afar and while my friend was trying to take my backpack for himself asap... he closed the distance and shot him as well. We lost a MP5 SD, a M9 SD, a Winchester 1866, 6 packs of blood, assorted food and beverage, tools et all. That BR guy hit the mother load with us, lol. We clocked around 18-19 hours alive, I think. Pretty good for a first duo attempt.
The life I'm on now has been so much better and more fun than the others, though the one I had before this was quite fun because it felt a bit like I was escaping from Cherno (because I was). This one has involved me traveling north from Kamenka with and without company along the way. It's fascinating how everyone has their own story of how they got to where they are, it really is awesome, but once again I haven't done anything remarkable so I won't go into the specifics. I did have my whole world turned upside down when I managed to bump into a stranger in the middle of a forest, though, I always thought forests were safe. Luckily he turned out to be friendly, but good god I was terrified all the same, so much so that when he and I 'confirmed' that we weren't going to shoot each other (I think my M1911 to his Makarov put him off the idea anyway) I said 'Right, I'll be on my way then' and sprinted off into the forest like a right loon. Servers with direct comms only really, really heighten the sense of paranoia and loneliness, it must be said. Terrifying.
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Finally got my hands on a silenced weapon: M9 with three mags. I'm hanging around North of Petrovka (for its tasty tasty water supply). This combined with my M4 CCO and top level backpack mean I'm more or less at the top tier of loot in the game, aside from the stuff found in the super rare chopper spawns and NVGs). I always seem to log on too far away to join in with the RPS silliness though.
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RPS silliness tends to lead to you loosing all that great stuff you've accumulated though chum :)
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Oh and, on one server alone, I was able to find around 20 tents. People tend to place them around the North Western edge of the map. Off the edge of the paper map, generally. Not much worth stealing though. On the right server you'll clean up I suspect.
Speaking of tents, some of us found this near Prud Lake.
There's like twenty tents there, all empty. Smells like duping.
We were all having terrible trouble with Desync on pretty much every server we tried last night, usually it happens occasionally but this was constant lag, people warping around and it was evident to the 5 people playing in our group so im afraid my penchant for downloading goat porn wasn't the cause as was suggested. Obviously playing alone you wouldn't necessarily have noticed this but did any one else in a group experience it?
Obviously being an Alpha test this is to be expected, was just wondering if anyone had similar issues around 7-10pm GMT?
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Yeah it got really bad last night, we must have tried 15 different servers (busy/quiet/all over the world) in half an hour and they were all the same.
I've basically given up on this game now. The survival elements are simply boring given that there isn't really anything to actually do and the bean wars on the coast are simply tedious. Plus I keep getting killed by bugs.
I may come back to this when it hits beta as it has potential but as it is its just a massive time sink.
Key to stop that is when you spawn don't go along the coast, head directly inland. The only time i'll venture into one of the coastal towns now is if i've spawned on a sparsely populated server or we have just seen someone head in with a gun I want.
I love how the game has evolved so far, i'll admit a few of us are proper wankers towards other players now. If we see someone raiding a building we wanted to search we will shoot them. If we see someone running too close to us or if it looks like they might have spotted us we shoot them. If we see anyone around the military camps that aren't part of our group we shoot them. This has developed because we've been on the wrong end of this encounter too many times.
We for the most part have all the gear we need now but everyone knows that all it takes is someone to get the drop on you or for you to hesitate a little too long and you could have nothing within seconds, its just not worth the risk now. Obviously sometimes we kill someone and their friends who have got behind us kill us, i don't mind or care really. After the initial disappointment of being killed wears off the game starts again. A few times recently i've lucked upon a person with all the gear I had and I've then managed to kill them with a pistol, saves me time and effort and I can go back to enjoying the game with the group. The rate at which food and water drop now makes it essential to carry plenty of food with you or even to have to venture into towns to look for stuff. Again killing others can help you avoid this.
Great fun tonight and now with the server updates we found a car! RPS will have wheels once again!
Hey prudz what is your in-game nick? because I haven't seen you playing around.
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I'd been getting a little tired of the repeated Stary Sobor/NW Airfield raids, so instead of joining up with other RPSers last night, I came up with a silly plan: to go live like a hermit on Skalisty island in the south east. It has a couple of lootable buildings and a well (but sadly no deer stands), and so would be livable.
The problem is, it's a five minute fast swim from the mainland (longer if slow swimming), and every time I tried swimming, I would lose my pack and almost all my inventory in under five minutes. I needed a boat.
That's where the update yesterday comes in—if cars were spawning, maybe boats would too. I was on FI 2, making my way East to Nizhnoye, as I'd heard rumours that a boat might spawn there. Sometimes things go horribly wrong in DayZ, but occasionally, if you're really, really lucky, everything goes right.
I started off with a stroke of bad luck: in the woods in the middle of nowhere, stopping to make coffee, I went prone under a tree and somehow managed to break a bone. I used up the last of my morphine and painkillers, but failed to notice that I was bleeding until I was down to about 3000 blood. After that, I guess the game decided I'd had enough bad luck for a while.
I stopped to loot a deer stand on the way, and it had a GPS in it! After dark, I got to Nizhnoye, which was deserted, and it had not one boat at the docks, but two! And they only needed fuel, no repairs! And the barn near the docks had a jerrycan in it! I put one can into one of the boats, then headed south to the factory between Nizhnoye and Solnichniy to see if I could refill it or find a second can. And I found a cow (which I desperately needed to get my blood levels back up)!
A quick aside regarding this Small Boat II: the only way to get off it is into the water behind it, so if you're planning to check out its fuel levels, make sure you drop your pack, binocs, and upper inventory slot items beforehand, so you don't lose them all when swimming back to land afterwards. I had dropped everything else before as a precaution, but forgot to drop my binocs and so lost those.
I filled the can and was returning to the boat when I noticed someone had popped a flare back at the factory behind me. I decided I couldn't hang around Nizhnoye any longer, but got in the boat and headed straight east, planning to turn south only when the land was out of sight. Here's where my GPS find would prove itself invaluable: I could make my way to the island without having to follow the coastline. Looking behind me as I left, I saw after a few minutes a figure running along the coast: presumably he of the earlier flare. I don't know if he saw or heard me, but I was fairly distant, and he didn't shoot at all.
It turns out that the "Small Boat II" is quite slow--14 kph when you hold shift, and uses up fuel relatively quickly. So I pulled the boat back into shore just north of Solnichniy's bridge to refuel at the petrol station there. Fortunately the boat is also relatively quiet, so it didn't attract any zombies. I made three quick runs with the jerrycan (the boat only has a 30 litre tank, it seems, so two runs to fill it and a third to refill the jerrycan for emergencies) without incident. While I was doing this, I noticed my body temperature icon was flashing red, and the debug monitor said 30 degrees! I guess driving a boat at night is a great way to cool off. Fortunately I had a heat pack on me for a cosy instant fix.
I also noticed that there was a repairable van at the petrol station in Solnichniy, but it needed wheels, and engine parts, and so on, and anyway I wouldn't be able to get it on the boat. So I left it alone.
The rest of the trip was uneventful. I continued south past Krutoy Cap to the island, stopped the boat on the south shore (out of sight from the mainland), and went ashore to light a fire to warm up by (my body temperature had hit 31 degrees again) and cook the cow.
So now I have my own private island! RPSers are welcome to visit, but anyone else will receive a welcome gift in the form of high speed lead, I am afraid.
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When I eventually died I tried looting Cherno and Elektro and it really has become a deathmatch game, there are bodies everywhere and every single person I saw now shoots on sight (including the guy who spawned next to me on the beach). When I first started I spent about 2 hours in Cherno and I eventually met up with about 6 people who formed a (completely useless) group to do some looting, there was some banditry but there was a lot of openness as well. Now no one even bothers asking if you are friendlly anymore and the game seems to have become very insular.
I didn't pay much attention to the 'deathmatch' claims that keep being made on the DayZ forums but now that I have seen it for myself I am forced to agree and it is damaging the game. I'm not sure what can be done about it without damaging the basic concept of the game though.
I usually mention it in posts but hadn't recently, wouldn't mind changing my forum name to this too but no bother really.
I know what you're talking with the boredom factor, it does get very repetitive and it is a massive time sink and yes the instant killing of people now that the bandit skin consequence has been removed does turn the game into a sort of Deathmatch every now and then, but to be honest with direct comms on the beta servers I have had many occasions where I've announced myself before walking into a building to find friendly people inside. It's the fear of the kill or be killed scenario that has come about since the removal of the bandit skin. I'm looking forward to finding out what Rocket has in store to replace this system.
The bit that interests me still though is when you do the raids at stary and then set up camp to watch for other groups of people. It's pretty tense when you see someone run along the other side of town and then disappear only to hear gunshots close to you a few seconds later. That's why I still enjoy the game anyway, the rush you get from a tense standoff / gunfight all the while trying to not die as the consequences are so dire.
Also I always bear in mind that we're playing an Alpha that just happens to have become very popular, as game mechanics change and as stuff is added it adds an element of fun and exploration to the game. I'm still looking to get a gillie suit for my character, I have the camo but it's not enough so my quest involves searching for something like that. Now that vehicles have been added again we are trying to fix one up so that's another little side quest to go on all the while having to remember the grind for food and water, which luckily i can avoid for a few days thanks to a load of slots in my alice pack being taken up with beans ;)
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I will come back to it I am sure but as it stands it just doesn't justify the time that it demands.
So today I was walking around the fertile fields of Chernarus and I found a perspective machinery - a tractor. And instantly dreams about our ARPS collective farm came to my head. The image of fertile fields with *cough* shrooms *cough* to help the struggle of the working class came rushing in, but as soon as I got in that tractor rolled down the hill and went in a tree, ultimately blowing up in a huge fireball shattering my dreams about our kolhoz.
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I've had to take a break from this game; system overload. But I might get back how that vee-hicles have been re-introduced, if I can rally a crew and some jerry cans.
Meantime, I was thinking: you remember those xXx[420 NoScopez]xXx parody vids from a while back? Check out this one if not: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEJHr...feature=fvwrel
Anyway, someone with some video skills should totally make one for for Day Z.
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Not quite sure which bit of the forum to put this in. Anyway to all the RPS guys on mumble in our camp: Please don't take my motorbike out for rides! I keep it near the camp in a tree. Thanks. G


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TAMPA, Fla. — The little girl whose legs were severed by a lawn mower has suffered a setback as she recovers from her injuries.
Doctors discovered that a skin graft on Ireland Nugent's right leg was not successful, leading to a surgery on Tuesday. Family spokesman Dennis Reid — pastor of Trinity Presbyterian Church in Clearwater — told the Tampa Bay Times the 2-year-old faces two more surgeries to further cleanse the leg and do a second skin graft.
The little girl was injured April 11 when she ran after her father, Jerry Nugent, as he rode a lawn mower up the driveway at their Palm Harbor home. Her mother, Nicole Nugent, frantically motioned for him to stop, but he misunderstood, put the lawn mower in reverse and backed over the child. Her legs were severed below the knees and she had cuts to her hand. She also broke her thumb.
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Reid called the infection a "minor setback," but it deflated the family's hope of bringing Ireland home this week. The additional surgeries could also postpone fitting the child for prosthetic limbs.
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ACCIDENTS to mountain bikers could exceed those for climbers and scramblers in 2014, according to a new mountain rescue report.
Annual figures from the Lake District Search and Mountain Rescue Association (LDSAMRA) reveal last year was the third in a row in which a mountain biker has died on the fells.
The death of 59-year-old Silloth man John Graham in September - in a location very close to that of a fatality the year before – heightened concerns for mountain bikers in some areas.
Mr Graham was found by mountain rescuers 60 metres down a steep gully close to Lonscale Fell near Keswick. In total there were 13 incidents involving mountain bikes in 2013 – down from 18 in 2012 and 26 in 2011.
But the association's statistics officer Ged Feeney said it was 'not so much the number of incidents as the seriousness of them' that was causing concern to rescue teams.
Of the 13 incidents last year, seven people required medical assistance and five were categorised as serious.
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Another incident involved a woman who suffered fractured ribs and nausea at Hardknott Gill when she could not control her bike and landed in a stream.
The LDSAMRA report said mountain biking incidents were now on a similar scale to rock sports.
This trend in the Lakes is echoed across the country, with national figures for the year showing a marked increase over the same period five years ago.
LDSAMRA is trying to raise awareness of the issue through appeals to specialist media.
"We don't want to put people off what is a very valuable sport," said Mr Feeney. "But people need to be aware they are embarking on a serious undertaking – particularly in areas they are unfamiliar with.
"Most cyclists do wear protective gear, which is a good start, but it's a matter of gaining experience in a controlled environment and not trying to do more than you are capable of."
The increase in accidents coincides with a boom in the popularity of cycling, both in Cumbria and across the UK.
According to Cumbria Tourism, who have been working to see the region become known as the UK's Adventure Capital, it is the fastest growing sporting activity in the county.
Ian Stephens, managing director of Cumbria Tourism, said: "We encourage as many people as possible to get involved and take advantage of this great sport but with any outdoor adventure activity we remind people to take care and keep safe whilst out on any cycle route.
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A stalled high-pressure system led to record heat across the Bay Area on Monday, but cooling will start on election day and the arrival of an Alaskan cold front should mean a dramatic change in the weather as soon as Wednesday, forecasters said.
Records for the date were set Monday from Santa Rosa to Salinas, the National Weather Service said.
The oldest eclipsed mark, in San Jose, dated to 1901. It was 84 there Monday, beating the old record by 2 degrees.
At San Francisco International Airport, the high was 79, just breaking the 1993 record of 78. In downtown Oakland, the high of 84 surpassed the old record of 77 degrees, which dated to 1976, while the high at Oakland International Airport was 1 degree above the previous record of 78, set in 1951.
Redwood City and Santa Rosa both topped out at 84 degrees, breaking by one degree records set in 1997 and 1980, respectively. Gilroy's 90-degree high broke the record of 89, set just two years ago, and Salinas' high of 94 was eight degrees above the previous record, set in 1976.
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Megaloblastic anemia occurs when there are not enough healthy red blood cells (RBCs) in the body. RBCs are important because they contain a protein called hemoglobin. Hemoglobin allows the blood to carry oxygen to all parts of the body. A child with megaloblastic anemia may feel very tired or have less energy than normal. Without treatment, symptoms can become severe and cause health problems. Your child's healthcare provider can evaluate your child and discuss treatment options with you.
This condition is most commonly due to a lack of folate or vitamin B12. Possible causes of this include:
Too little folate or vitamin B12 in the diet (more common in children who are vegetarian, vegan, or drink only goat's milk)
Certain conditions that involve the digestive system, such as Crohn's disease or celiac disease, which can affect how well the body absorbs folate or vitamin B12
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Lack of a special protein in the stomach (called intrinsic factor) that helps the body absorb vitamin B12
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A complete blood cell count (CBC) to measure amounts of types of cells in the blood.
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A reticulocyte count to measure the amount of new RBCs being made.
Other blood tests to check the levels of folate and vitamin B12 in the body.
Treatment for megaloblastic anemia varies depending on the cause and severity of symptoms. The goal is to restore the amount of folate or vitamin B12 in the body to normal so the body can build healthy RBCs. Common treatments include:
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