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Monday, June 02, 2014 5:00 PM
June 4
Diabetes Support Group
5:30 p.m. - Do you live with diabetes? Are you at risk for being diagnosed with diabetes? Are you a caretaker of someone with diabetes, or would you like to learn more about how to prevent this disease? Please join us from 5:30 p.m. to 6:30 p.m. in Humboldt General Hospital's Sonoma Conference Room as we focus on the challenges and successes of living with diabetes. This month the group will discuss "Deciphering Diabetes Lab Results." Facilitated by HGH Wellness Coordinator Louis Mendiola and HGH Director of Nutrition and Dietary Services Tiffani Nalivka. All ages are welcome; there is no charge to attend. For more information, please call Humboldt General Hospital at 623-5222, ext. 1740.
June 5
NNRA meeting
Northern Nevada Racing Association meets at Spare Time Bowl at 7 p.m. For more information visit www.winnemuccaracing.com
June 7
Denio Barbecue and Arena Events
Come to beautiful Denio for the annual barbecue, a fun day at the arena - and all around the community. Team branding at 9:30 a.m.; team roping and junior branding. Kids play day with goat tail undecorating, stick barrels, dummy roping and more - signups at 9 a.m. and games start at 10 a.m. Denio Library quilt display 10 a.m. - 7 p.m. Live music 7 p.m. at the Denio Community Hall. Barbecue dinner served 4 - 7 p.m. with steaks, chorizo, salads, breads, beans and dessert for $17 per adult; $7 for kids 6 - 12 and free for younger children.
June 8
2nd Annual Walk-N-Wag
6 - 8 p.m. - Join us for the 2nd Annual 2K-9 Walk-N-Wag at the Winnemucca Community Garden. Bring your dog for a short, fun-filled walk around the community. Come out and support the Animal Shelter and the Garden (a portion of the proceeds will go towards buying dog beds for the Shelter). $20 registration fee, to register call 623-2333. Volunteers are appreciated.
June 10 and 11
Red Cross Babysitter Training
American Red Cross Babysitter Training at the Humboldt County Library. Both days from 9 a.m. - 1 p.m. or ages 11-16. Space is limited so call 623-6388 to sign-up. No Cost. Humboldt County Library 85 East 5th Street, Winnemucca.
June 13
Summer Reading Program kickoff
Join us in signing-up for the Summer Reading Program with Pancakes and Games from 10 a.m. - noon. It is $3 to sign-up which includes breakfast, for non-participating family members, breakfast is $1. Humboldt County Library 85 East 5th Street, Winnemucca. Please call 623-6388 for more information.
Winnemucca Ladies Golf Club
Each Tuesday - The club meets every Tuesday and is open to women of all golf levels. March, April & October at 10 a.m.; May - September at 9 a.m.
Volunteers for Senior Crafters
Each Tuesday - WANTED: Volunteers for the Senior Crafters! The group meets Tuesday and Thursday in the craft room of the Pleasant Center senior center, 1480 Lay St. We have materials available for most crafts, and there is no age requirement! Finished projects are sold in the Gift Shop to benefit the senior center. Come make new friends! There is a chair waiting for you. Please call 623-6211 for more information.
Story Time for all ages
Each Tuesday, 10 a.m. - The Humboldt County Library hosts Story Time for all ages in the Children's Library. For more information call 623-6388.
Soup For the Soul
Each Tuesday, noon - The Winnemucca Ministerial Association sponsors a hot meal at the soup kitchen in the basement of the United Methodist Church on Winnemucca Boulevard. The meal is served beginning at noon each Tuesday. All needy persons are welcome.
Al-Anon Family Groups
Each Tuesday, Noon - Al-Anon Family Groups meet each Tuesday at noon and Thursday at 6:30 p.m. at 506 W. 4th St., the Odd Fellows Lodge. For more information call 623-4972 or 623-5632 or email: firstname.lastname@example.com
AWANA Cubbies Preschool Club
Each Tuesday, 4 p.m. - Winnemucca Christian Fellowship invites the little ones to the AWANA Cubbies Preschool Club. For more information call the church office at 623-5431.
AWANA Kids Clubs
Each Tuesday, 6:30 p.m. - Winnemucca Christian Fellowship invites kids ages K through 6th grade to have fun and at the same time learn how to know, love and serve God. For more information call the church office at 623-5431.
First Tuesday, 1 p.m. - The Retired Public Employees of Nevada meet each month, except June, July and August in Winnemucca at the Senior Citizens Center, 1480 Lay St., and also meet annually in Lovelock and Battle Mountain. All public employee retirees are encouraged to attend. For questions or calendar, please call Judy Thompson at (775) 623-2816.
American Legion Post 5
First Tuesday, 7 p.m. - The American Legion meets at the Veteran's Hall on Bengochea Circle. The dues are $30 a year. For further information you can call Anita Paquette (Post 5 commander) at 623-2472.
The Hunt: Men's Ministry
First and Third Tuesday, 9:30 a.m. - Christlife Family Ministries offers Men's Ministry: The Hunt, at the church, located at 5130 E. Palisade Dr. For more information, call Pastor Allen, 304-6407 or 625-1805.
Winnemucca Rotary Club
Each Wednesday, Noon - The Winnemucca Rotary Club invites local business men and women and interested community members to attend a no-host lunch every Wednesday at noon at the Las Margaritas meeting room. For more information visit www.winnemucca-rotary.org or contact Lee Ann Morrell at 625-0040.
Soup Kitchen
Each Wednesday, 6 p.m. - The Winnemucca Ministerial Association sponsors a hot meal at the soup kitchen in the basement of the United Methodist Church on Winnemucca Boulevard. Dinner is served at 6 p.m. All needy persons are welcome.
Bible Study at First Baptist Church
Each Wednesday, 6:30 p.m. - Bible Study at First Baptist Church, Fifth Street and Garrison. Come join us in fellowship, where you are only a stranger once. For information please call 623-2085.
Winnemucca Seventh Day Adventist Church Bible Study
Each Wednesday, 6:30 p.m. - Come to Bible study and prayer at Winnemucca Seventh Day Adventist Church, 5130 E. Palisade Drive, Winnemucca. For more information call Elder Pete at 623-3057.
Word of Light Fellowship
Each Wednesday, 6:30 p.m. - Join your friends at Word of Light Fellowship, 4505 Center St. Wednesday night service for teens and adults. Separate children's programs for boys (Royal Rangers) and girls (Girl's Ministries) for kindergarten through sixth grade. Bring the whole family for this hour of learning and growing in the faith.
Boy Scout Troop 223
Each Wednesday, 7 p.m. - Regular meeting of Boy Scout Troop 223 in the Winnemucca Junior High School auditorium at 7 p.m. For more information call (775) 623-4649.
Lighthouse Baptist Church
Each Wednesday, 7 p.m. - Bible Study at Lighthouse Baptist Church, 226 E. Fourth St. For more information call 623-6786.
Lodge No. 19
Winnemucca Lodge No. 19 Free and Accepted Masons meets at 7 p.m. the first Wednesday of each month. The Lodge is dark in July and August. Information can be obtained by calling Skip Hammargren at (775) 304-3599.
Rental Assistance
First and Third Wednesdays, 4:30-5:30 p.m. - Nevada Rural Housing Authority Rental Assistance Community Representative is available for applications or to answer questions at 705 East Fourth St. For more information call (775) 887-1795. If you can't attend before 5 p.m., please call (775) 304-1532 to make an appointment.
Diabetes Support Group
First Wednesday, 5:30 p.m. - Do you live with diabetes? Are you at risk for being diagnosed with diabetes? Are you a caretaker of someone with diabetes, or would you like to learn more about how to prevent this disease? Please join us from 5:30 - 6:30 p.m. the first Wednesday of each month in Humboldt General Hospital's Sonoma Conference Room as we focus on the challenges and successes of living with diabetes. Facilitated by HGH Wellness Coordinator Louis Mendiola and HGH Director of Nutrition and Dietary Services Tiffani Nalivka. All ages are welcome; there is no charge to attend. For more information, please call Humboldt General Hospital at (775) 623-5222, ext. 258.
Patriots of the Humboldt County Shooting Park
First Wednesday, 7 p.m. - Patriots of the Humboldt County Shooting Park will be holding monthly meetings at the Humboldt County Shooting Park Education Building located at 7930 2nd Amendment Road via Winnemucca Mountain Road.
Alzheimer's Support Group
Second Wednesday, Noon - The Alzheimer's Support Group meets in the Sara Winnemucca Room of Humboldt General Hospital. Refreshments are provided by the hospital. The group is sponsored by the Humboldt Volunteer Hospice and is facilitated by Gini Cunningham. Caregivers of all types and Alzheimer's victims are welcome to join our discussion and benefit from support. Call 304-2899 with any questions.
Winnemucca Regional Racing Association
Second Wednesday, 7 p.m. - The Winnemucca Regional Racing Association, WRRA, meets at Las Margaritas. Call Shawn at 304-2968 if you are interested in racing or want to get involved.
Century Club
Second Wednesday, 7:30 p.m. - The Winnemucca Century Club (Lowry boosters) meet in the meeting room at Spare Time Bowling Center. Anyone interested is encouraged to attend.
Third Wednesdays, 5:30 p.m. - The Soroptimists of Winnemucca meet the third Wednesday of each month at the Sheppard Building. Dark July and August. For more information call Gina Rackley, 623-1236.
Bariatric Support Group
Fourth Wednesday, 6 - 7 p.m. - Humboldt General Hospital hosts a support group designed to help both pre-op and post-op gastric bypass and lap-band patients. The Bariatric Support Group meets in the Sonoma conference room at Humboldt General Hospital, and is facilitated by Rebecca Clifford. Those considering bariatric surgery as well as those who have undergone the procedure should attend. For more information, please call Clifford at 623-3543. There is no charge to attend.
Northern Nevada ATV Association
Every fourth Wednesday, 7 p.m. - The Northern Nevada ATV Association meets every fourth Wednesday at 7 p.m. in the downstairs meeting room at R & L's Express Casino. Non-members welcome. Contact Howard Hammond at 623-4401 for further information.
Humboldt Masonic Lodge No. 27
Last Wednesday, 7:30 p.m. - The Humboldt Masonic Lodge No. 27 meets the last Wednesday of each month (except July and August) at the Lodge.
- Thursdays -
Baby Bounce for babies up to 24 months old
Each Thursday, 10:30 a.m. - The Humboldt County Library hosts Baby Bounce for babies up to 24 months old in the Children's Library. For more information call 623-6388.
Lions Club
Each Thursday, noon - Winnemucca Host Lions Club meets in the Winners Hotel. Always looking for new members.
Soup Kitchen
Each Thursday, 6 p.m. - The Winnemucca Ministerial Association sponsors a hot meal at the soup kitchen in the basement of the United Methodist Church on Winnemucca Boulevard. All needy persons are welcome.
Grass Valley
Volunteer Fire Department
Each Thursday, 6:30 p.m. - Grass Valley Volunteer Fire Department meetings at 5505 Katrina Drive.
Al-Anon Family Groups
Each Thursday, 7 p.m. - Al-Anon Family Groups meet each Tuesday at noon and Thursday at 6:30 p.m. at 506 4th St., the Odd Fellows Lodge. For more information call 623-4972 or 623-5632 or email: firstname.lastname@example.com
Christlife Family Ministries
Each Thursday, 7 p.m. - Christlife Family Ministries, temporarily located at the Seventh Day Adventist Church, 5130 E. Palisade Dr., offers Bible Study "Adventures in Truth." For more information, call Pastor Daryl Peavy, (559) 269-5464.
Desert Twisters
Square Dancers
Each Thursday, 7 p.m. - Desert Twisters square dancers meet at Winnemucca Junior High. For more information call Carol at 625-2929 or 623-3006.
Civic Chorus
Each Thursday, 7 p.m. - Winnemucca Civic Chorus meets at the French Ford band room.
Calvary Chapel Co-Ed Bible Study
Each Thursday, 7 p.m. - Calvary Chapel hosts a Co-Ed Bible Study. Youth activities at 6:30 p.m. For further information contact Pastor Kevin Rushing either at (775) 304-1442, or email: firstname.lastname@example.com.
Northern Nevada
Racing Association
First Thursday, 7 p.m. - Interested in drag racing? Northern Nevada Racing Association general meeting at Spare Time Bowl. Visitors and new members welcome.
First and Third Thursdays, 7 p.m. - 8 p.m. - Toastmasters unravels the tongue-tied! Come to the Senior Center the first and third Thursday for the general meeting. For more information visit toastmasters.org or call 304-0741.
HGH EMS Rescue Car Seat Fitting Station
Second Thursday of each month, 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. - Humboldt General Hospital's Emergency Medical Services Rescue department hosts a free car seat fitting station the second Thursday of each month at its 118 E. Haskell St. station. Nationally certified child passenger safety technicians provide car seat education, inspection and installation. If needed, car seats are available for purchase on a sliding fee scale from Humboldt General Hospital; however, any purchased seats must be installed at the time of the appointment. Please make an appointment by calling (775) 623-5222, ext. 263.
Winnemucca Chapter of People First
Second Thursday, 5 p.m. - 6 p.m. - Winnemucca People First meets the second Thursday of each month at Las Margaritas. This is a self-advocacy group of people with disabilities. For more information call Sharon at (775) 738-3247.
NNRC Meetings
Second Tuesday, 6 p.m. - The Northern Nevada Recreation Coalition is a non-profit group that came together to improve the outdoor recreation in our area with trash cleanups, trail restoration and new trail construction. We meet the second Tuesday of the month at 6 p.m. at the Sid's restaurant. We are currently developing two multi-use trail systems in North Central Nevada for ATV's, bikers, hikers, equestrians and cross country skier. Visitors welcome. Come see what we are about. Contact Howard Hammond at 623-4401 or 304-0259 for more information.
Winnemucca Motocross
Second Thursday, 7 p.m. - Winnemucca Motocross Association general meeting at Las Margaritas. For more information call Lisa at (775) 623-6210.
Eastern Star
Second and fourth Thursdays, at 7:30 p.m. - Order of Eastern Star meeting at Masonic Temple. For more information call 623-3391 or 623-2164.
Winnemucca Motocross
Second Thursday, 7 p.m. - Winnemucca Motocross meets at Las Margaritas. For more information contact Tom (775) 421-2714; Lisa 623-6210; or Heather and Josh 623-0412.
St. Paul's Altar Society
Third Thursday, 5:30 p.m. - St. Paul's Catholic Church Altar Society meets every third Thursday of the month at 5:30 p.m. in the parish center library.
Grief Relief
Third Thursdays, 6 p.m. - The Humboldt Volunteer Hospice is now facilitating Grief Relief at Humboldt General Hospital. This group is for anyone who has lost a loved one. For more information call the Humboldt Volunteer Hospice at 625-4040.
Third Thursday, 7 p.m. - The Veterans of Foreign Wars meets at the Veterans Hall on Bengochea Circle. For more information call Mike Johnson at 304-3672.
Scouting Round Table
Third Thursday, 7 p.m. - 9 p.m. A round table for all adults involved in Cub and Boy Scouts will be held at the LDS Church, 111 W. McArthur Ave. New topics of discussion and training each month.
- Fridays -
Lost and Found OA
An Overeaters meeting is held each Friday at Humboldt General Hospital in Sara Winnemucca Room B from 6 - 7 p.m. For more information call (775) 445-9735.
Free Blood Pressure Clinic
Every other Friday, 10:30 a.m. - Representatives from EMS Rescue will be a the Winnemucca Senior Center, 1480 Lay St., to perform free blood pressure checks.
- Saturdays -
Seventh Day Adventist Church
Each Saturday, 9:30 a.m. - Worship at the Winnemucca Seventh Day Adventist Church, 5130 Palisade Dr. Bible study and children's Sabbath school at 9:30 a.m., 11 a.m. worship hour.
Super Saturday Stories
10 a.m. - Come to the Humboldt County Library children's department for Super Saturday Stories for all ages. For more information call 623-6388.
Lost and Found AA & NA Meeting
Lost and Found AA & NA Meeting - Mondays and Saturdays at Humboldt General Hospital (Sara Winnemucca Room B), from 6:30 - 7:45 p.m. These meetings are open and non-smoking. Coffee and raffle at each meeting, With enough attendance hot dogs will be served. For more information call (410) 617-3629.
Saturday Night LIFE
Each Saturday night from 6:30 - 8:30 p.m. it's Saturday Night LIFE at the newLIFE Christian Center. Come join us for Bible based teaching and encouragement. Childrens ministry also provided. Youth ministry after service. 1350 Melarkey St.Contact Pastor Eric for more information 625-4300.
Rockhound group
First Saturday, 9 a.m. - The Winnemucca Rockhound group meets at the Humboldt County Library. Come for a lively discussion about rockhounding in our area. For more information call 623-6841.
American Legion
Auxiliary, Unit 5
First Saturday, 10 a.m. - The American Legion Auxiliary meets on the first Saturday of each month (except July, August and January), at the Veteran's Hall on Bengochea Circle. The dues are $20 a year. For further information you can call Anita Paquette (Unit 5 president) at 623-2472.
Women at the Well
Second Saturday, 1 p.m. - 3 p.m. - Ladies please join us at "Women at the Well," an interfaith gathering of women for a pot-luck luncheon, quilting and fellowship. It is held the second Saturday of each month at First Baptist Church on 5th Street. Please join us!
Vietnam Veterans
Second Saturday, noon - VAA, Vietnam Veterans of America, Chapter 744 meets at the Veterans Hall, 3300 Bengochea Circle. Please contact Tom Lyon at 623-1324 or Bob Jensen at (775) 530-4230 for more information.
Adult Beginners Quilting Group
Third Saturday, 10 a.m. - 5 p.m. - The Humboldt County Library hosts a quilting workshop for adults. Have you ever wanted to learn to make a quilt? Come join your friends in the library meeting room to learn how! No membership fees. We will be meeting the third Saturday of each month. Projects will be designed for beginners, but all skill levels are welcome. For more information call Brenda Olson at 625-2025 or e-mail: firstname.lastname@example.com, or email@example.com, or call Leanne Autrey at 623-6388.
Red Hat Society
Third Saturday, 10:30 a.m. - The Red Hat Society meets the third Saturday of each month at Las Margaritas Restaurant. Come join us!
U.S. Practical Shooting match
The Winnemucca DustDevils hosts USPSA matches every third Saturday starting at 8:30 a.m. First time shooters are free. For more information and shooting location please see our web page at dustdevils.wetpaint.com, the USPSA webpage at USPSA.org, or email firstname.lastname@example.com.
Amateur Radio
Humboldt County Amateur Radio Emergency Services meets the third Saturday of each month. Check their website at hcares.net for current information on meetings and FCC testing dates and times.
Winnemucca United Methodist Church
Children's Fellowship is held the third Saturday of each month, 10 a.m. - 12:30 p.m. Children's church, crafts, fellowship and lunch. For more information call 623-2814; office hours are Monday - Friday from 9:30 a.m. - 11:30 a.m.
- Sundays -
Worship at Grace Baptist Church
Each Sunday - Grace Baptist Church holds 10:30 a.m. Bible training and 11 a.m. Morning Worship. Join us in fellowship and edification. We sing the traditional hymns and preach God's Word. Our desire is to glorify God and grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Held in the Veteran's Hall on Bengochea Circle in Sage Heights between Poke N' Peek and Sonoma Industries thrift stores. Pastor Dave Schaaf 625-1117.
Worship at Winnemucca United Methodist Church
Each Sunday - The United Methodist Church, 138 W. Winnemucca Blvd., invites everyone to adult and youth Sunday School each Sunday at 9 a.m.; pre-k through 6th grade Sunday School, the second and fourth Sunday at 11:30 a.m.; worship services at 10 a.m. For more information call 623-2814; office hours are Monday - Friday from 9:30 a.m. - 11:30 a.m.
Worship at Word of Light Fellowship Assembly of God
Each Sunday, Sunday school 9:15 a.m. - 10:15 a.m.; Sunday morning worship 10:30 a.m. The church is located at 4505 E. Center St. For more information call Pastor Nathaniel Rhoads, 623-3322.
New Life Center Assembly of God
Each Sunday, 10 a.m. - Worship Service New Life Center Assembly of God Church 36 N. Reservation Road, McDermitt. For further information contact Pastor Bill Douglas 304-3895.
Worship at Winnemucca Christian Fellowship
Each Sunday, Sunday School at 9:15 a.m.; worship service at 10:30 a.m. and 6 p.m. For more information call Pastor Mark at 623-5431. The church is located at 4380 Grass Valley Road.
Worship at Sonoma Baptist Church
Each Sunday, 10:15 a.m. - The Sonoma Baptist Church meets at 5970 Muddy Road (corner of Muddy Road and Grass Valley Road). Sunday School begins at 9 a.m. For more information call 623-3434.
Worship at First Baptist Church
Each Sunday at First Baptist Church, Fifth Street and Garrison. Come join us in fellowship, where you are only a stranger once. Adult and Children's Sunday schools at 9:45 a.m.; morning worship service 11 a.m. Evening worship service at 6:30 p.m. For information or bus service, please call 623-2085.
Worship at Lighthouse Baptist Church
Each Sunday at Lighthouse Baptist Church, 226 E. Fourth St, Sunday school for all ages at 10 a.m.; worship service for all ages at 11 a.m. For more information call 623-6786.
Worship at Christlife Family Ministries
Each Sunday - Christlife Family Ministries, formerly located at 16 E. Second St., will be temporarily relocated to the Seventh Day Adventist Church, 5130 E. Palisade Dr. Service schedule: Youth services Sunday 9:30 a.m.; Worship and Word at 10 a.m. Christlife Family Ministries is a non-denominational Spirit-filled, loving body of believers desiring to be a reflection of the Christ who saves us and redeems us by His grace. For more information, call Pastor Allen at 421-1699; Pastor Lee at 304-3430 or Pastor Daryl at (559) 269-5464.
Grass Valley Baptist Church
Every Sunday - Grass Valley Baptist Church holds Sunday School and worship beginning at 9:30 a.m. with Sunday School at that time for nursery through 6th grade. All are welcome to join us at 4150 W. Thomas Canyon Rd. If you have questions please call the GVBC office at 623-5714 or email@example.com.
Each Sunday, worship at newLIFE Christian Center
Time of Reflection, 10 - 11 a.m. Join us as we take time to reflect on how good God has been to us. NewLIFE Christian Center is located at 1350 Melarkey St. Contact Pastor Eric for more information at 625-4300.
Church of Christ
We are a Bible-centered, unified family of believers called to an ever-deepening relationship with Christ. We will pursue Christ through study, prayer, and fellowship. We recognize that we are sent to the larger community surrounding us to plant the seed of the Gospel and to demonstrate God's love and Christ's Life. For meeting time and location call Don at (775) 304-8313 or 623-3135.
Soup Kitchen
Each Sunday, 6 p.m. - The Winnemucca Ministerial Association sponsors a hot meal at the soup kitchen in the basement of the United Methodist Church on Winnemucca Boulevard. All needy persons are welcome.
Calvary Chapel
Located at 215 Aiken St., Calvary Chapel offers Sunday services at 8 a.m. and 10 a.m. with Sunday school for individual age groups. The nursery is available for children up to age three. Come and study the word of God with us by chapter and verse. Call 623-5544 fo more information, or visit www.calvarychapel.org.
Rainbow Girls
First & third Sundays, 2 p.m. - Winnemucca Assembly #10, Int. Order of Rainbow for Girls meets at the Masonic Temple, 5th & Baud streets. For info, call Samantha Draper at 421-7908 or America Gillespie at 623-1129.
Ministerial Association meeting
Second Sunday, 6 p.m. - The Winnemucca Ministerial Association meets at the Methodist Church, 138 W. Winnemucca Blvd. in the meeting room. Public and soup kitchen volunteers are welcome. For more information call 623-4447.
- Thrift Stores-
Winnemucca Food Bank Thrift Store
Location: 150 S. Bridge St. Hours: Monday, Wednesday and Friday 9 a.m. - 4 p.m. Benefits: the needy of our community. For more information or to arrange a pickup, call 625-2223.
Frugal Flamingo Thrift Shop
Location: 740 E. 4th St. (Former Miller Antiques Building) Hours: Tuesday - Saturday 10 a.m. - 4 p.m. Benefits: Humboldt Volunteer Hospice.
Poke 'n' Peek Thrift Shop
Location: Sage Heights. Hours: Wednesday, 10 a.m. to 2 p.m.; Friday and Saturday, noon - 4 p.m. Benefits: Humboldt General Hospital Auxiliary.
Sonoma Industries Thrift Shop
Location: 3280 Bengochea Circle in the Sage Heights area, just below the animal shelter. Hours: Monday - Friday 8:30 a.m. - 3:15 p.m., and Saturday 11 a.m. - 4 p.m. Benefits: Certified vocational training facility for developmentally challenged adults.
- Ongoing -
Veterans Guest House available
The Reno Veterans Guest House is located at 880 Locust St. Accommodations and the comforts of home for US Military Service Veterans and their families during times of medical need. For more information visit them online at www.veteransguesthouse.org, or call (775) 324-6958.
Serenity Seekers AA
Want to stop drinking? We can help! Serenity Seekers AA Fellowship daily meetings at 530 Melarkey, Ste. 219. Call for meeting times, (775) 621-8622. There is literature outside the Room 219 door as well.
Church of the Good Shepherd Food Bank
The Church of the Good Shepherd Food Bank currently has donated food available for those in need. Pastor D.W. Hutson asks that you call ahead to pick up the items from the church, located at 16500 State Route 400 in Unionville. The church accepts food and clothing donations to give away to those in need. For more information call (775) 538-7570.
1st Way Pregnancy Center
1st Way Pregnancy Center is located in the 3R Building at 630 Melarkey St. Free pregnancy tests, prenatal vitamins, confidential counseling and community referrals. Information on fetal alcohol spectrum disorder and smoking cessation programs. If you think you are pregnant, please do not use any alcohol or tobacco products. Staffed by dedicated volunteers. Supported by the local community. Pregnancy tests by appointment. Visit the Baby Boutique where all items are free of charge. Volunteers are always appreciated. Phone 625-BABY. The national crisis number is (800) 648-5683.
Access to Healthcare
Access to Healthcare, as an Aging Disability Resource Center (ADRC), is looking forward to serving people with disabilities and seniors. The ADRC will provide information, assistance, advocacy, and application assistance. Service area includes: Eureka, Elko, Humboldt, Lander, and White Pine counties. Please call 1-877-861-1893 for an appointment.
Food Bank
The Food Bank is open Monday, Wednesday and Friday from 9 a.m. - 4 p.m. The bank is located at 150 S. Bridge St. in Winnemucca.
Fallon Naval Sea Cadets
Fallon Naval Sea Cadets is a non-profit youth program designed to educate youth from ages 11-17 about the Navy, Marine Corps, and Coast Guard. Education includes military bearing, marching, physical training, courtesy, responsibility, and much more. Many opportunities are available for advanced training. Meetings are one weekend a month at the Naval Air Station in Fallon. Volunteers, both ex-military and civilian are needed for instructors and chaperones. For information on joining the Cadets or to volunteer, please call (775) 761-6193.
Free resistance exercise class
Each Monday, Wednesday and Friday at 10 a.m. a resistance exercise class is held at the Humboldt County Senior Center. Resistance exercise is a program designed for seniors proven to increase balance and strength using weights. There is no beginning or advanced level. All equipment including the weights is provided. Come join our group for a fun and healthy hour of toning and strengthening. Sponsored by the Pleasant Center and RSVP.
Serenity Seekers AA in Español
Serenity Seekers AA meets at 506 W. Fourth St. En Español a las 6 p.m. Puede hablar a 621-8320.
RAA Fellowship of Alcoholics Anonymous
RAA Fellowshiop of Alcoholics Anonymous holds "Big Book Sunday" meetings at 2 p.m. each Sunday. Each Monday at 6:30 p.m. is the "12 Traditions" meeting. Both meetings held at 267 Pacific, off Hwy 95. For more information call 623-9371.
Adult Education Center at JOIN
Earn a GED or an Adult High School Diploma with an individualized study plan through JOIN, 705 E. Fourth St. Hours of operation: 8 a.m. - 5 p.m., Monday - Friday. Phone 623-6218 for an appointment.
Contact Food Bank of Northern Nevada for SNAP benefits
The Food Bank of Northern Nevada has a toll free number to help clients apply for SNAP benefits (formerly known as Food Stamps). The phone number is 1-888-304-SNAP (7627) and will be operational from 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. Monday through Friday.
Great Basin Offroaders
4x4 fun with the Great Basin Offroaders. Meet great people who enjoy family wheelin' in the great outdoors. All 4x4's welcome. If interested call Kevin Sauers at 625-1529 or Tim Lambert at 625-2996.
Alcoholics Anonymous
Alcoholics Anonymous meetings are held from noon - 1 p.m. and 6:30 p.m. - 7:30 p.m., seven days per week at 506 4th St., the Odd Fellows Lodge. For more information, call (775) 355-1151.
Local Special Olympics chapter
A chapter of Special Olympics for children ages 8 - 22 is now available in Winnemucca. The group bowls in the fall school year and then will be doing track in the spring. Your athlete may choose to compete in one or all of the sports available. You do not need to be a student in the Humboldt County School District to participate. For more information please contact Leslie Molina at 623-0935 or firstname.lastname@example.com.
Friends of Nevada Wilderness
Friends of Nevada Wilderness is a non-profit organization that has been protecting and preserving wild lands in Nevada for 27 years through stewardship projects. We need volunteers this field season in the Santa Rosa Ranger District! Join our efforts at www.nevadawilderness.org.
ESL classes at GBC
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AMD vs. Intel: Battery Life Investigatedby Jarred Walton on 8/5/2009 5:00 PM EST
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wiak - Friday, August 07, 2009 - linklike the subject says, ati or nvidia graphics are superior to anything intel has, its a fact, just see any benchmark ;) Reply
tygrus - Monday, August 10, 2009 - linkAdd in a low end nvidia GPU and the price goes up another $150+ and maybe 20% less battery life ?
In future articles: consider performance per watt (you said performance will be in the final review); measure power load on battery/mains(minus battery) over time for different tasks/conditions; multiple configs to indicate scailing and normal trends.
Isolate system components: use external LCD to switch off local screen (acroos varying laptops); swap HD; USB DVD drive compared to internal; swap RAM and change speed (very minor); swap mini-card wireless if possible... Hours of fun for the whole familly ... Who's paying you ask ? .. Don't look at me :) Reply
alexruiz - Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - linkInteresting article. I personally am at a loss regarding battery life in laptops. Let me tell you my experience:
I bought an emachines M6805 in Jan 2004. As you remember, this machine was the darling of power laptop users in a budget (~$1600) The machine had a mobile Athlon 64 3000+ clawhammer (130 nm) rated at 65 W and 11W in idle. It had a discrete mobility radeon 9600 and a desktop chipset VIA K8T800. Intel had not a CPU that could compete in raw performance with the mobile clawhammer as it only had the mobile P4 or the P-M banias at the time of the mobile Athlon 64 launch, both of which the clawhammer handled easy. It wasn't until the P-M Dothan than Intel matched the mobile clawhammer in performance while achieving lower power consumption.
Back into power consumption, the M6805 could go 2:30 - 2:45 hrs running under battery. Some guys even managed to reach 3:10 hr. You would think to achieve that battery life with that kind of horsepower and hungry parts would reuire an immense battery, remember, the K8T800 was a desktop chipset and the mobility radeon 9600 was a discrete powerful videocard, plus the mobile Athlon wa srated at 65W!
Well, the battery was only 6 cells rated at 4400mAH.... not big at all. I managed 3:05 hrs after switching form xP to win2K as the powernow worked more efficiently. When I replaced the hard drive for a travelstar 7K60 I only lost 12-15 mins of battery life.
Fast forward 5 and a half years. I finally sold my trusty M6805, mainly because at its size flying couch class isn't too practical. After a ot of time spent in shopping comparison, its replacement was a Toshiba U405D-S2910. The Toshiba sounds years ahead in paper (and it really is years newer) Turionn X2 RM-74 65nm "Griffin" rated at 31 W, 780v chipsetd with integrated graphics, 13.3" screen... one of the very first thing I did when I got it was to check the battery capacity.. the same 4400 mAH.
If the M6805 with hungry components and a bulky frame managed 2:40- 3 hrs on the same batteyr battery, the U405D shousd easily manage over 4 hrs I thought.... big dissapointment. It never went beyond 2:40 hrs, in fact, 2:30 seems to be the average. Why much more efficient components in a very smaller chasis manage the same battery life is beyond me. :(
However, for the $649 I spent I would not have gotten such a well rounded machine with an intel CPU at that size. I do game on the laptop while on the road, and the game is not easy on the graphics.. it still runs decently. The machine feels faster than many other machines costing twice... clean install of vista ultimate AMD64 in a WD scorpio black works wonders.... It is very slim, looks very elegant and is very quiet. For the $80 premium of the intel CPU I can buy another battery and double my time away from an outlet... oh, and I have the better graphics. But still, why is not beating the M6805? Reply
JarredWalton - Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - linkmAhr is only part of the battery capacity equation; you also have to look at voltage. Multiply mAhr by voltage to get mWhr, which is the true measure of capacity. (Divide by 1000 for Whr.)
As for performance, there are plenty of options out there. See the follow-up article posting shortly.... Reply
strikeback03 - Friday, August 07, 2009 - linkAnd to many of us that really doesn't matter. What's your point? Reply
medi01 - Monday, August 10, 2009 - linkAnd for many of us it still does matter, so what's your point?
When someone compares AMD laptop to Intel laptop, people think about CPUs. But it is actually CPU + Graphic card and the performance gap between graphic cards is much wider in AMD's favor than performance gap between CPUs is in Intel's. Reply
JACKDRUID - Thursday, August 06, 2009 - linkIntel offers much better battery life... However, i would NEVER ever buy a Intel laptop. Why? because its IGP sucks! its at least 2 to 3 times slower than AMD counter part. you are very likely be running any game at 10 fps with Intel IGP, while with AMD you might get 20-30fps. thats a differece between playable vs non-playable...
if you insist on getting an Intel part, make sure you get one with dedicated graphics. Reply
fumigator - Friday, August 07, 2009 - linkI agree.
I serviced a Pentium DualC. T4000 series laptop recently, it came with IGP GMA4500, and it could hardly handle winamp visualisations! in some segments I got less than 10 to 15 frames per second! Come on people,
I understand the intel laptop is perfect for browsing the web and email, but... are we a Grandma or what? Are we going to sacrifice 80 bucks just to get 30 minutes more of battery life? maybe I could buy a whole new battery with that amount. And even windows installation was slow on that thing, but I don't care too much as its a one time procedure, but... a minimal overpower for multimedia should always be welcome... Cheap Intel laptops are a no go for me...
On the other side, if the laptop is AMD based, I would go ATI 3200 or up (780G). I dislike those X1000 series of ATI videos, which also means they sport the old SB600 southbridge. I would avoid it. Reply
garydale - Thursday, August 06, 2009 - linkOne point that I think needs to made is that the Intel notebook costs $80 more than the AMD. Given the fact that we're talking a $500 AMD unit, that's a pretty hefty price differential.
On the performance side, the article mentions that the Intel notebook has the faster CPU but the AMD has the faster graphics. This makes it a toss-up in terms of power so for your extra money.
IMHO a better comparison would be two similar notebooks at the same price point. This would allow us to see the power versus battery life trade-off which I think is more relevant to most people. Reply
blackshard - Thursday, August 06, 2009 - linkWatching to the keyboards, the AMD notebook lacks the "Power Saver" logo. I wonder it means somethings. BTW QL parts are really the entry level and lacks some power management features that RM and ZM series have. A comparison between QL, RM and ZM would be really nice, at least to see if the claims about advanced power management on RM/ZM are true. Reply
JarredWalton - Thursday, August 06, 2009 - linkI've already sent in a request to AMD, so hopefully they will respond. FWIW, CnQ also appears to be causing problems with the AMD single-threaded performance. For example, CINEBENCH 10 shows a greater than 100% improvement in performance when going to multithreaded over single threaded... unless you force affinity to one CPU core. Reply
balancedthinking - Thursday, August 06, 2009 - linkThat is right, there is still the old problem with the windows sheduler, jumping threads to the downclocked, unused core.
This hase been solved with the new Phenom II and vista/7, they do not clock the cores independently anymore and thus do not loose performance due to a jumping single thread.
Clocking cores independently is a nice power saving feature by AMD but was completely made useless due to the microsoft sheduler. Reply
IntelUser2000 - Friday, August 07, 2009 - linkThis is why I believe the Mac OS achieves better battery life. Windows isn't very good with idle power. Reply
zsdersw - Thursday, August 06, 2009 - linkThat's as close as it's possible to come. Matching prices isn't more important than matching specs. Reply
JarredWalton - Thursday, August 06, 2009 - linkThe only way to get a $500 Intel laptop is generally to have other features cut as well. There are options with the Pentium T4200 for around $500, which should be http://www.anandtech.com/bench/default.aspx?p=67&a...">about 5~10% slower than the T6500 used in this comparison, based on Anand's Bench results. (The T4200 is 1MB L2 vs. 2MB L2 on the T6500.) Given that everything else was identical (HDD, LCD, chassis, battery) I felt that was the best we could do. Reply
MMartin - Friday, August 07, 2009 - linkWould you mind sharing your setup?
1. Power savings
2. Tools used
3. Etc. Reply
computergeek485 - Thursday, August 06, 2009 - linkShowing all those graphs on top of each other the proper way to set the scales would all be the same. Having different scales makes it take more time to convey the information to the reader. Considering the goal is to accurately and easily display the information to the reader, having the same scale would greatly improve that. Reply
JarredWalton - Thursday, August 06, 2009 - linkOur graphing engine doesn't provide that option. However, you can try this on for size:
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/batterylifeamdv..."> Reply
sublifer - Thursday, August 06, 2009 - linkI wouldn't be surprised if it was because of the gpu and cpu process but I was curious if you tried swapping the batteries just in case the battery in the AMD one was defective or had a bad "memory"? Reply
JarredWalton - Thursday, August 06, 2009 - linkSee above post; the results stayed well within the margin of error (less than a 1% difference by swapping batteries). Reply
sublifer - Thursday, August 06, 2009 - linkDon't know how I missed those posts... I thought I read through them all to make sure my concern wasn't already raised.
Apologies Reply
mmatis - Thursday, August 06, 2009 - linkYou say:
"For now, if you're looking for an inexpensive laptop (not a netbook), you need reasonable battery life, and you don't care about graphics performance we suggest saving up the extra $50-$100 for an Intel-based system."
Why not take the "extra $50-$100" and buy a spare battery or a larger battery? THEN which one has the longer battery life? Reply
lyeoh - Friday, August 07, 2009 - linkFor some reason spare batteries cost a lot nowadays at least when someone I know was buying a laptop AND wanted a spare battery. The spare battery cost more than USD250.
A retailer for a different laptop said its spare batteries were about USD140, but when we checked they didn't have any in stock (none in the entire country either), and we would have to order and wait for weeks.
jamawass - Thursday, August 06, 2009 - linkThese low cost laptops aren't really designed for much portability so battery life is a moot point. I was shopping around for a sub $700 machine and decided on AMD, the reason: virtualization support, I plan on upgrading to Win 7 professional with xp mode. I couldn't find a single Intel cpu in that price range that supported virtualization. Reply
drmo - Thursday, August 06, 2009 - linkI think many people would still want to have enough battery life to watch a DVD at an airport or on a plane for those infrequent trips. The buy a bigger battery for the extra $50-100 is a very valid point though. And when I go on trips I like to be able to do some light gaming as well, and having to pay the extra $100-200 for discrete graphics which kill the battery life at other times (unless it can switch off) is not worth it.
I'm curious as to why the AMD system sucked so bad to payback DVDs. This seriously sounds like a driver issue. I mean, was the CPU at 100%? Shouldn't it be offloaded to the decoder? Or does the decoder suck more juice??? I really think the full review should look into this.
This was a great teaser for the full review. Reply
JarredWalton - Thursday, August 06, 2009 - linkThe DVD playback is likely caused by the AMD CPU not power saving as well as the Intel when under a light load (maybe 5-10% CPU usage). Also, Cool 'n Quiet does not do AMD any favors in single-threaded tasks. I'm not sure if there's more to the DVD playback issue than that, but the results are relatively consistent with the other "heavy surfing" test (which is actually about the same 5~10% CPU load). Reply
drmo - Thursday, August 06, 2009 - link"The DVD playback is likely caused by the AMD CPU not power saving as well as the Intel when under a light load (maybe 5-10% CPU usage). "
I think you are right, but if this is a function of architecture, then that AMD should fix it; I mean, why have 100% power consumption if only 10% of CPU cycles are being used?
I guess the number makes sense compared to x264 test because the DVD-ROM is also using energy in the DVD test. I suppose having a file on the hard drive is better than playing off the DVD-- another reason arguing for legal digital copies. Reply
monomer - Thursday, August 06, 2009 - linkIf this section is going in the full-blown review, would it be possible to add in some CPU usage charts to go along with the battery life charts? It would be interesting to see another data point to show how much the CPU (and indirectly the GPU) affects each of the battery life tests. Reply
medi01 - Thursday, August 06, 2009 - linkSo we have 2 laptops, and the one with MUCH FASTER GPU eats roughly 30% more power. So what? Reply
JarredWalton - Thursday, August 06, 2009 - linkAnd the other provides a MUCH FASTER CPU along with 25% more battery life. If you don't play modern 3D games at all (and you really shouldn't on any of the IGPs IMO), having a fast GPU is silly. I can't tell you how many people I know that have never run anything more taxing (GPU-wise) than Aero Glass on their computer. Reply
medi01 - Monday, August 10, 2009 - linkGPU is a couple of hundred percent faster.
CPU is a couple of dozen percent faster.
Many people I know actually play games on their laptops. Reply
JarredWalton - Monday, August 10, 2009 - linkIt's about 100% faster on average... and tell me this: what's twice as fast as horribly slow? The fact is, even the ATI 780G HD 3200 IGP struggles mightily in most modern 3D titles. Far Cry 2, absolute minimum detail settings, gets 24FPS at 800x600 (or 16FPS at the native 1366x768). Assassin's Creed, minimum settings are the same (24FPS/15FPS at 800x600/1366x768). Need I mention that both of those games look like garbage at the minimum settings? Mass Effect: 11FPS at 800x600 (unplayable), and Riddick: Dark Athena is about the same (12.6FPS at 800x600).
If you were to go out and purchase a laptop with a GeForce 9500M or Radeon HD 3650 level GPU, you'd be about three to four times as fast as the HD 3200. Then you can actually play games if you'd like, though you'll also have lower battery life. Considering about 90% of laptop users probably never do anything gaming related outside of Solitaire, I'd say they'd be far more interested in the $580 Intel system that is noticeably faster (30%) in many tasks and ALSO provides 30% more battery life. Reply
MikosNZ - Thursday, August 06, 2009 - linkI hate to state the obvious but I see no mention of battery testing or the same battery being used for both laptops in these tests. Lithium ion batteries are notorious for large variances in electrical capacity due to both shelf life and batch. This could easily account for 20-30% PLUS variance. I have seen numbers easily around that when doing battery testing for commercial laptops. These tests are completely worthless unless the same battery was swapped between the two or the batteries used were separately tested to ensure equivalence. I would definitely not rely on gateway to QA their batteries to a level required for accurate platform testing. Reply
MikosNZ - Thursday, August 06, 2009 - linkActually on second read there does seem to be some implicit references to this. Was this actually done after all? Reply
JarredWalton - Thursday, August 06, 2009 - linkNope, but if it will make you feel better I'll swap batteries between the two and rerun one of the tests to check results. I'd wager less than a 2% difference but I could be wrong.... Check back tomorrow. Reply
JarredWalton - Thursday, August 06, 2009 - linkSwapping the batteries, the results stay essentially the same in the Idle battery test. With the original batteries, the Intel system has 20.25% more battery life. Switching the result was 19.57% better battery life.
FWIW, both systems scored slightly lower after the battery swap - 230 vs. 242 on the AMD and 275 vs. 291 on the Intel system. All settings remained the same, but I started the tests right after the batteries hit 100% charge coming back up from 88% (they were sleeping and unplugged much of yesterday). If necessary, I can fully charge them and rerun the test, but a margin of error of around 2-3% is normal in battery tests when you don't short the discharge/charge cycle, and not fully discharging a battery will frequently result in less battery life on the next cycle. Reply
lyeoh - Friday, August 07, 2009 - linkThanks for doing that.
While the result was not surprising, it was good to eliminate that.
Different batches of batteries have been known to perform differently (some even explosively ;) ).
It might be the AMD laptop's graphics system that's the power hog.
But whatever it is, it doesn't look good for AMD.
FWIW, some Macbooks seem to have rather good battery life, I wonder if they do any special tricks that the windows laptops don't. Reply
JarredWalton - Friday, August 07, 2009 - linkThey say MacBooks do some power saving "tricks" that don't use the standard ACPI interface or something. They also have better control over the OS/hardware, and OS X looks like it manages to stay in low-power C-states much better than any Windows OS. Reply
Jeffk464 - Thursday, August 06, 2009 - linkIs amd coming up with anything to compete with Intels new Ultra low voltage cpu. I'm thinking about going this route for my next laptop, coupled with led backlight display these systems are getting unreal batter life. Check out the acer timeline series, the only thing is there kind of slow getting the core 2 duo out. Reply
Zagor Tenay - Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - linkBattery life should not be a concern at all for most laptop users, because most people use their laptops at home. Their laptops are treated like a desktop, power cable attached at all times. (They say they prefer a laptop because it uses less space, there is no cable clutter etc.) So, what is the point in paying a higher price premium for an Intel laptop, because it has a longer battery life? The answer is plain and simple: There is no reason. Reply
zsdersw - Thursday, August 06, 2009 - link"Battery life should not be a concern at all for most laptop users, because most people use their laptops at home"
Apparently you've never heard of the business world. Reply
anactoraaron - Thursday, August 06, 2009 - link"So, what is the point in paying a higher price premium for an Intel laptop, because it has a longer battery life?"
For me, I needed a laptop that I can take with me anywhere (out of state, etc) and be able to run photoshop cs3 and run it well. It is common knowledge that photoshop favors intel's core architecture (both dual and quad) and from my own experience on mobile platforms intel beats amd by 100-300% depending on what you are doing. Would I pay more for 300% improvement? Uh... yes.
I also would like to say that the current photoshop benchmark is nice, but it should be treated as just any other benchmark - meaning real life usage may differ. One of the things I do alot in photoshop is make contact sheets (used as proof sheets, flattened and saved as pdf's) - which are VERY cpu intensive. Try crunching 300 images on 54 images/sheet making 6 sheets and time the results. This type of benchmark will run for up to 15 minutes on an older core 2 system. My q8400 does 1 sheet per minute- which I still think is fast. Just a suggestion. Reply
JarredWalton - Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - linkMost people don't buy a laptop because it's smaller in my experience; they buy them because they're mobile. Anyway, even if you don't want to have better battery life, why pay the price premium for Intel? Well, 30% better performance is something useful I'd think... unless you plan to play lots of games with the IGP. Reply
medi01 - Thursday, August 06, 2009 - linkNope. At least not me. I have 2 laptops and 1 PC at home. All 3 stay at home all the time. Reply
strikeback03 - Thursday, August 06, 2009 - linkMobile doesn't necessarily mean it leaves the house, but you can more easily move a laptop from the office to the living room to the kitchen table to the hammock outside if needed. In this class of notebook (15.6") mobility might be less of a concern, but the platform differences should hold up through all segments, including ones where battery life is a larger factor in which unit to purchase. Reply
Jamahl - Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - linka few benchmarks of fps in gaming would have been nice if only to show that the intel is awful and the amd is capable. Reply
pjtomtai - Thursday, August 06, 2009 - linkWho games on IGP? There ARE laptops with discrete for that purpose. 80% of users don't game, while 80% depend on a solid laptop with longer battery time for work/life on move. Reply
xrodney - Thursday, August 06, 2009 - linkWell i have expensive gaming machine, but still play games on notebook time from time. Not always my gaming machine is available for gaming {rendering etc} so i am using notebook instead or i am not near to it at all. And from my personal experience many people around me is doing same. Reply
JarredWalton - Thursday, August 06, 2009 - linkI've run all the benchmarks; I'm just writing the main article at this point and it should be done for Friday. In terms of gaming, as I mentioned in this piece, the AMD solution is substantially faster - anywhere from 50% to 200% faster, with the average being around 125% faster. (The 50% comes from Empire: Total War, incidentally.) To be honest, I was actually surprised at the number of games the Intel IGP could manage to *load* - last time I looked at that on a GMA IGP there were only a few modern games that would try to load at all. LOL Reply
Jeffk464 - Thursday, August 06, 2009 - linkpshh, games belong on desktops. Reply
snakeoil - Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - linkso this is another 'sort of review'? come on.this happen always when they do an amd review.
after the 'sort of review' they come with and update where they say that they commmited a 'mistake' and the amd product have a problem so they think the intel hardware wins.
anyway. Reply
doncerdo - Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - linkIf you pit a C2D architecture CPU against an Athlon architecture chip, the results are more than obvious and writing this article is a waste of time. It is the same as testing a P4 notebook against an Athlon notebook for power consumption with no testing one already can guess the results. Wasn't the recent Turion lineup with slipt power planes and core redesign a major reason for improved power consumption on the AMD platform? If so, why test previous generation CPUs?
Another reason not to like this previews at AT emotions get in the way of objective testing...we already had a retraction in the morning with the 785G article. I really prefer full articles instead of these "beta" (best way I can describe it) writeups. Reply
Exar3342 - Thursday, August 06, 2009 - linkAMD has ignored the laptop market for a long time and has never really engineered a mobile-only CPU in the same focus as Intel. I don't think anyone would argue that AMD's mobile GPUs are better than Intel's, but when it comes down to standard laptop usage, Intel beats AMD hand's down. Intel has better power management, and has a whole suite of ULV processors that kick the pants off AMD's offerings. AMD needs to get it's head out of their a@@ and realize the mobile market is HUGE, and they are neglecting it. Reply
thurston - Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - linkI agree, I don't care for the preview articles either, but it got me to read Anandtech tonight, so I suppose it works for them. Reply
coldpower27 - Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - linkActually AMD uses Athlon 64x2 branding for it's mobile line... take a look here:
http://products.amd.com/en-us/NotebookCPUDetail.as...">http://products.amd.com/en-us/NotebookC...=&f6... Reply
doncerdo - Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - linkI thought mentioning the different power planes would make you realize we are talking about Turion Ultra. Those CPUs with the Lion core for example that start with RM designation and are part of the Puma platform. So my post stands based on the fact that at least this CPUs were redesigned with mobility in mind and were not simply cherry picked low TDP parts. Reply
JarredWalton - Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - linkThey may have split power planes (didn't AMD already have some issues with that and CnQ on the desktop?) but they're still by and large the same K8 dual-core CPU that we've had for years. As for the "Lion" CPUs, you might want to recheck your information. AFAIK, Althon X2 QL-64 is a "Lion" processor, just like the Turion X2 RM and ZM lines. (Not that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_Turion_mi...">Wikipedia hasn't been wrong in the past....) Reply
mczak - Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - linkTurion Ultra (with Lion core) should have a bit better battery life (despite same TDP) than Athlon X2 mobile (with Lion core) since the former seems to also support (as already mentioned) more power states, deeper sleep, lower min p-state, and adjustable HT frequency. Well, maybe. It should also be slightly faster (because of twice the cache). I'd say all of that would only probably make a marginal difference however.
As for 45nm parts, Tigris/Caspian should appear later this year - Caspian just looks like mobile regor to me. Chipset is rather unexciting (rs880m) but I'd guess the cpus (caspian) could have a bit higher frequency with the same power draw than lion (or alternatively same frequency with lower power draw), together with the improved IPC of K10 that could be enough to make them competitive with lower end core2 duo offerings. Not sure why it's not released yet actually, it really looks to me like amd would desperately need this new platform and all ingredients already exist as desktop parts. Reply
JarredWalton - Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - linkThe real problem is that on mobile systems, AMD just doesn't appear to have any answer to Core 2. On desktops, there's Phenom II at least, but that's the size of Core i7 so it's no surprise they aren't cramming that into a laptop. AMD's CPU names are also confusing; Turion X2 is higher spec than Athlon X2 on mobile systems, but there's a ton of overlap and unfortunately this is the closest we could get. Still, the only sub-30W CPUs listed at AMD are the Athlon X2 QL-62 (25W) and the Athlon X2 TK-42 (20W).
If you look at the http://products.amd.com/en-us/NotebookCPUResult.as..." target="_blank">complete list, all the other dual-core AMD CPUs are 35W TDP except:
Turion X2 ZM-80 (32W)
Turion X2 RM-70 (31W)
Turion X2 TL-56 (31W/33W)
Turion X2 TL-58 (31W)
The most attractive based off specs would have to be the QL-62, considering the 25W rating vs. 31-35W, so despite the higher performance designs in most instances I'm not sure the Turion line is universally better. If I can get a ZM-80, I'll try to install it in the NV52 and see what it does for power/battery results. Even if it can improve battery life, the T6500 is still about 30-35% faster, and T6500 isn't even remotely high-end. Reply
K6III - Thursday, August 06, 2009 - linkIt seems that bringing the Athlon II to the mobile market makes a lot of sense. 45nm and smaller core than existing Athlon64 X2, many of the same performance enhancements as PhenomII, and potentially similar/lower power draw compared to Core2. Reply
blackshard - Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - linkHi Walton, I sent you a mail with some findings related to 65nm AMD processors parts.
BTW, reading the datasheets, there are no newer Athlon/Turions with TDP below 31W. QL parts are all 35W parts according to AMD document #43373 ("Power and Thermal data sheets for notebooks") and they are worse than RM and ZM parts dealing with power management (2 power states vs 3 power states, 2 power planes vs 3 power planes on ZMs)
AMD site often is not updated or reports bad information. Reply
jonup - Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - linkJarred, what are the GPU power settings? I have a older TK-57 with RS690 (x1200) and I have the GPU trottle down to 20MHz on battery w/out load. Are the result different under different GPU power settings?
Thanks! Reply
JarredWalton - Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - linkThe GPU setting is "Maximum Battery Life" for battery power, but I did not get any explicit readout of clock speed using the utilities I tried. I'm not sure what the minimum clock speed is, but the max (default) speed appears to be 500MHz. Reply
jonup - Thursday, August 06, 2009 - linkThanks buddy! I used GPU-z to get the clock from my laptop (RS690M). However, this utillity does not give me a reading for my desktop's RS780. It must be something with the 780G. This chip has been out for a while and they should have had a support for it. It has to be a hardware limitation. Reply
vol7ron - Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - linkexpected. curious if that's a result of the gpu. Reply
Sazar - Thursday, August 06, 2009 - linkIt's a combination I am sure.
The lower TDP on the intel procs is probably the biggest benefactor to Intel's numbers but the graphics likely plays a part too.
atlmann10 - Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - linkYes; I was wondering that myself, when I saw the overhead keyboard comparisons, and noticed the ATI emblem. One of the things that's really hit me (I am still running an X2 oc'd), other than the performance difference. While it may not be super realistic in a performance vector until you hit the higher core2 and then of course the I7 line. It is still there and enough to notice. I think one of the things that is really going to kick AMD is if they don't get themselves smaller and do so fast.
This is shown in a mobile platform much more readily in a mobile platform. Not to mention they may use energy conservation as a big selling point on the corporate side of things (IE servers). They are going to loose that rather quickly if they don't. This is doubly so in a mobile arena. This is because while they use higher energy conservative memory graphically, the base on the gpu is still bigger than Intel's. So the Intel mobile product has a dual advantage. Not only is the CPU considerably smaller and therefor energy conservative there CPU is also two times smaller on a nanoscale point.
So on a mobile platform I am actually surprised they only loose by a quarter percentage on battery life. They need to really get their operations in gear on research. Reply
cocoviper - Thursday, August 06, 2009 - linkYea I think that ATi GPU should be mentioned because a true apples to apples would involve something like a Geforce 9300 in the Intel box.
That AMD system is definitely going to be more attractive if you plan on playing an occasional game. On the flipside if ALL you do is plan on staying on the desktop running office and web apps, then Intel is definitely the way to go. Reply
WeaselITB - Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - linkI'd think so. I'm not able to find specific TDP numbers anywhere, but it sure seems to me that the Radeon HD 3200 will have higher draw than the GMA 4500MHD.
Yes, yes, integrated chipset, blah blah blah, whatever; I think the point still stands. Reply
JarredWalton - Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - linkIt would be reasonable for the HD 3200 to use a bit more power than the GMA 4500... but then the AMD part is in a 55nm chipset vs. a 65nm chipset for the Intel part, which should help. The bigger issue is likely the 65nm AMD CPU vs. the 45nm Intel CPU... plus generally better power management on Intel's side as far as I can tell.
AMD does a good job of turning down CPU speeds and voltages when the system is idle (5.25X multiplier and 0.950V at idle, during testing), and Intel does likewise (6x multiplier and 0.925V at idle). However, power draw at idle favors Intel and under load the difference between the platforms grows even larger, and I'm not even putting any explicit load on the GPU. It shouldn't require a lot of GPU power to run Windows Vista, even with Aero enabled. Reply
ltcommanderdata - Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - linkIt's highly unlikely that a TSMC 55nm process has an advantage over Intel's 65nm process other than size.
In fact, in terms of performance, TSMC's originally planned 45nm process would be required to match Intel's 65nm process. Of course, TSMC has since skipped 45nm and went directly to 40nm. Still, Intel's processes tend to be a generation ahead of the more generic processes at TSMC, with preliminary data on TSMC's 32nm process showing it behind Intel's 45nm process in terms of performance. Which of course means that Intel making Arrandale's IGP or Larrabee on 45nm won't be a performance limitation, rather it's all up to design. Reply
Alexstarfire - Thursday, August 06, 2009 - linkThis isn't about performance, it's about power usage. I'm pretty sure that a 32nm process is going to generally use less power than a 45nm process regardless of performance or design. I could be wrong though. I don't exactly know all the ins and outs of microprocessors. Reply
ltcommanderdata - Thursday, August 06, 2009 - linkI'm pretty sure in this case performance and power are closely correlated because you can trade off between the 2. I believe they mean performance in a manufacturing process by describing how much current the transistor can transfer when it's on at a given drive voltage along with how much current the transistor leaks when it's off. Of course, higher on current (to do work) and lower off current (leakage) is better. In the case of the graph, it's drive voltage over on current so a higher on current will result in a lower number. Hence, Intel's 45nm process can have a higher on current for a given voltage than TSMC's 32nm process. This is important for high performance processors. For low-power processors, this also means that Intel can use lower drive voltage to save power (like undervolting), while still maintaining a higher current to do work than their competitors' process. Reply
imgod2u - Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - linkThis isn't necessarily true. Keep in mind the FET is inherently a non-linear device. There is a limit (especially for digital logic) where you simply can't lower the operating voltage anymore without drastically affecting slew rates to the point of breaking the device.
This is why multi-Vt processes are available instead of just putting the slower paths on a lower VDD rail. The gate dielectric thickness (tox) is offered in various levels to balance between performance and leakage. It's then up to the designer to choose which Vt device to use in which gate.
Now it could be that Intel's 45nm (which uses both a high-k gate dielectric as well as gate-replacement) is simply superior to TSMC's 32nm all around. I've not looked up the data. But higher-performance is usually inversely proportional to low-power capabilities of the process itself. Reply
Pneumothorax - Thursday, August 06, 2009 - linkSmaller process does not always equal smaller power usage. Don't you remember Presscot? (The first 90nm P4, AKA pressHOT) Used more power than the preceding generation due to power leakage and design. Reply
ltcommanderdata - Thursday, August 06, 2009 - linkWell of course process isn't the only factor, but I mentioned it since Jarred specifically mentioned that TSMC's 55nm process might help provide an advantage over Intel's 65nm process. In this case, it looks like Intel's 65nm process would have been competitive against TSMC's canceled 45nm process, so TSMC's 55nm process would be behind. Reply
DigitalFreak - Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - linkCan't say that I'm at all surprised, for exactly the reasons you mentioned. Reply
Voldenuit - Saturday, August 08, 2009 - linkAgreed. It's been conventional wisdom for a long time now that intel laptops outlast amd laptops, but it's always good to verify (and check up on) the claim.
Next: how about OS contributions to battery life?
I'd love to see battery life on the same notebook in WinXP vs Vista vs Win7. If AT could throw in OSX via hackintosh, that would be even more interesting, as you guys have found that OSX is superior to Windows in battery life on Apple hardware, but it would be interesting to ascertain if that is due solely to the OS vs BIOS/fimrware/more low level stuff.
I just got back from an intercontinental flight, and was able to eke close to 9 hrs out of my Thinkpad X300, using the 6-cell battery and 3-cell Ultrabay battery (albeit with wifi off; mainly reading and some minor document editing). Reply
JarredWalton - Saturday, August 08, 2009 - linkThe one time I looked into XP vs. Vista battery life, it actually wasn't substantially different on the same laptop (within a few percent, which is margin of error on battery tests). I may try to do a WinXP vs. Vista vs. Win7 comparison in the near term, but OSX is sort of difficult to do properly with a Hackintosh. I've heard Apple plays with the CPU voltages a bit more using some direct access to the hardware, but honestly I'm not sure Windows PCs ever fully enter deep C-states.
Stay tuned... full review is still pending, and then I'll see about playing with other OSes. Reply
Voldenuit - Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - linkNeat. Looking forward to it.
Course, I'm one of those users who "cheat" w/ undervolting and forcing C-states with RMClck (or NHC depending on my fancy). ^_^. Reply

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THE Walking Dead, the most popular drama series in U.S. cable-television history, is a heart-warming story of a man and his son who hack, slash, stab and shoot their way through zombie-infested, post-apocalyptic Georgia.
Warm Bodies, one of the most anticipated movies of the young year, is a Romeo and Julietstyle romance about a very dead boy who falls in love with a girl who's not exactly dying to reciprocate his affections.
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"Zombies are the new vampires. Didn't you know that?" quipped Arlene Bellefleur, Carrie Preston's waitress character, during the fourth-season finale of True Blood, a vampire-centric horror-comedy series that's aired on HBO since 2008.
This sly little snippet of meta-commentary suggests it really is twilight time for undead creatures with fangs. In their place, the stage has been set for corpses that do nothing but amble around, say nothing besides "uuurgh" and serve no other purpose on the screen or on the page than to act as plot devices to compel human characters to do something else.
Compared to vampires, which are capable of speech and character development, zombies are uncharismatic. So why exactly are the creatures so popular?
Part of the answer has to do with allegory, as critics have long praised zombie art of any sort for serving as provocative social commentary. George A. Romero's Night of the Living Dead, the 1968 black-and-white film considered the most influential zombie movie of all time, was parsed at the time as both an antiwar statement and a racism parable.
On a far less high-minded note, zombies may simply be popular because Hollywood prefers a safe bet. After the 2004-2005 release of three profitable zombie flicks — the comedy Shaun of the Dead, Zack Snyder's Dawn of the Dead remake and Romero's own Land of the Dead — every major studio started considering scripts that called for characters in various states of decomposition.
But copycat behaviour doesn't explain the popular fascination with zombies well outside of the realm of film. In 2009, when Seth Graeme-Smith reimagined an 1813 Jane Austen classic as Pride and Prejudice and Zombies, the bizarre mashup became a bestseller. There are now university courses devoted to zombie literature. Before Idle No More, the only way to convince young Canadians to take to the streets was to hold a zombie walk.
Obviously, the fascination with zombies goes well beyond gore. Here are some of the possible reasons zombies speak to so many of us, especially at the moment:
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It was no accident George Romero set the original 1978 Dawn of the Dead inside a shopping mall. Upon encountering empty stores, the human characters of the film go on a hedonistic binge that demonstrates they really aren't that different from the mindless flesh eaters that mill about outside. In an even-less-subtle analogy, the human survivors find themselves effectively trapped inside the mall, the very place that offers them anything they could possibly every need.
The culture of passivity
Building on critiques of consumerism, more recent zombie movies suggest modern society has already reduced human beings to a state of zombification. Shaun of the Dead has tremendous fun with this concept, most notably when Simon Pegg's hapless anti-hero Shaun is too busy flipping channels to notice the zombie apocalypse unfolding around him — or when his video-game-addicted friend Ed (Nick Frost) displays little behaviorial change after becoming a zombie.
Fear of science and technology
While some zombie films portray the undead as supernatural creatures, a minority explain their existence as the result of a virus or other pathogen, often created through the hubris of human beings.
In 2002's 28 Days Later, biological experiments unwittingly transform the population of England into fast-moving, perpetually enraged zombies. A virus is also responsible for transforming Americans into fleet-footed rage monsters in the unfortunate 2007 remake of I Am Legend, starring a miscast Will Smith.
The message here is as old as the Icarus legend — don't mess with technology you cannot control.
Fear of contagion in general
In many recent zombie conceptions, flesh-eaters can create more flesh-eaters, either through a scratch, a bite or both.
This idea has served as a proxy for all manner of real-life infectious threats, from HIV to SARS.
While humanity has feared plague since medieval times, only recently have biologists understood the concept of the zoonotic disease — a bug that jumps from animals to people and sometimes proves more lethal to its human host, as it has not had time to adapt. After all, the most successful parasites don't kill their hosts. This concept has given rise to fears of environmental destruction contributing to our own demise. In 2009's mostly comedic Zombieland, the plague gets started when someone eats a hamburger infected with mad-cow disease.
With the exception of flicks like Fido, where zombies are incorporated into society, most modern zombie plots involve a complete breakdown of society and its institutions. In the aftermath, the human beings struggling to survive often do horrific things, allowing authors and filmmakers to pose questions about what it really means to be human. This is the central premise that drives The Walking Dead, which consistently portrays postapocalyptic existence as a battle between competing instincts to survive and be compassionate.
In 1951, John Wyndham's sci-fi novel The Day of the Triffids created a lot of the post-apocalyptic tropes now familiar to fans of the zombie-apocalypse subgenre. In Wyndham's novel, about a comet that blinds most of humanity, scattered groups of survivors struggle to fight off both bioengineered vegetable monsters and each other as they attempt to re-establish some semblance of society. This idea plays into libertarian fantasies about living without the encumbrance of government rules or regulations. It also plays into both religious and secular fears the world is in fact coming to an end, as it was supposed to when Mayan calendar flipped over last December, or when the Gregorian calendar flipped over at the end of 1999.
Human beings have always been enamoured with the idea life as we know it is at an end. Maybe that's because we yearn for another existence. Or maybe we simply have too many digits on our Visa balances.
Mistrust of government
If anything has accelerated the relatability of post-apocalyptic scenarios, it's the real-life failure of governments to adequately respond to disasters.
In 2005, after Hurricane Katrina flooded New Orleans, there was real-life looting and violence, real-life impotence on the part of federal emergency agencies and real-life profiteering in the wake of the destruction. A post-apocalyptic scenario unfolded on CNN.
There's now a widespread belief western governments cannot and will not be able to respond to climate change, economic collapse or new security threats.
So we watch zombie movies as a form of mental preparation.
Or we simply play more zombie video games, like Ed in Shaun of the Dead, and hope the hell that is to come won't be much different than the one we have now.


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GOODYEAR, Ariz. -- Corey Kluber planned on treating Saturday's start against the split-squad Rockies like he would a regular-season outing for the Indians. The right-hander is probably happy to have another tune-up start remaining on the Spring Training schedule.
After cruising for four innings against the Rockies, Kluber surrendered seven runs in a 14-6 Colorado win over Cleveland. The Rockies pounded out five runs in the sixth inning, during which the club also lost third baseman Nolan Arenado to a left hand injury.
After consecutive singles to begin the sixth, a pitch from Kluber sailed too far inside on Arenado, who was struck on the hand. Arenado -- with a pair of doubles in the game to boost his Cactus League average to .341 in 16 contests -- was pulled from the game.
The Rockies announced at the park that Arenado has a bone contusion, and X-ray's taken later at the club's complex came back negative, leaving Arenado's status as day to day.
Justin Morneau followed with a two-run single, Josh Rutledge added a run-scoring single and Paul Janish doubled home another run to push Colorado in front, 7-6. In the fifth inning, Jordan Pacheco drilled a 1-2 pitch from Kluber deep to left field for a two-run home run for the Rockies.
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The Cardinals return home tonight hoping to throw the Los Angeles Dodgers overboard and secure their 19th pennant, more than any other National League franchise in the same city. (The Giants and Dodgers have won a few more overall, but not since switching coasts.)
But who's counting?
No matter what happens in Game 6, or the rest of the postseason, one could make the argument that the 2013 Cardinals' biggest accomplishment was putting an end to Pirate-Mania. All across the country, media and fans alike were gleefully raising their own proverbial Jolly Roger (okay, get your mind out of the gutter).
"It's such a great story," was the standard line shoved down our throats. "Their fans have suffered so long," echoed the national media blob. "Look at how enthusiastic they are."
"Not like those spoiled cities like St. Louis where everybody sits on their hands and takes postseason baseball for granted."
Huh? Okay, so maybe another ho-hum NLDS appearance isn't enough to make the average Cardinal fan go out in public dressed like this guy:
You've got to admit, the Jolly Roger skirt is a nice touch, although I'm not sure how that works with the wallet chain. Did pirates even have wallets? Maybe in those days they attached it to a treasure chest. Of course, we at JSF fully endorse the virile mustache. But the rest of this getup…not so much. This guy identified himself as "Rick" and although he wasn't crazy about being interviewed – his Pirates had just lost – he certainly wasn't camera shy.
The sails of this pirate trend have been catching wind for a while now. Only the most cataclysmic of late-season collapses have been able to quell Pirate-Mania the last two years – to speak nothing of those Johnny Depp movies, the goings-on in Somalia, and that Captain Phillips guy.
If the Cardinals had not blockaded the Pirates' voyage to the World Series this year, who knows how fashionable being a pirate would have become? How many more Ricks would it have spawned? How many more grown men would be out there parading around in little black skirts? This could have been the new look for the 2010's.
Thankfully though, the Cardinals put an end to this trend, allowing all of us to proclaim…