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A HIGH Wycombe man who went to Jackie Palmer Stage School is enjoying performing in the West End show of Jersey Boys.
Thomas Goodridge has been chosen for the role of Barry in the show about Frankie Valli and the Four Seasons, currently showing at the Piccadilly Theatre in London.
The 37-year-old, who grew up in Terriers, said: "It has been amazing. I have been dying to get in the show for years.
"I had auditioned for it many times before but I was too young looking.
"I have kind of matured."
The musical has now been seen by more than 19 million people worldwide and is firmly established as one of the West End's longest running and most popular shows.
It will also be touring the UK for the first time from September.
Thomas has one day off in the week but laughed that he has Haribo to keep him going.
He went to Jackie Palmer Stage School in High Wycombe at the same time as James Corden and they were good friends who trained and learned together.
And he praises the school for helping him get into the acting and singing world.
He said: "It enabled me to hone my skills and channel that energy into performing something that grew in me and with me and I took it on board and explored it.
"I have been very lucky. I went when I was about 12 and left when I was about 17/18.
"You become a community. you stick together and you learn together and you look out for each other."
Thomas went to Sir William Ramsay School and was planning to go to Amersham and Wycombe College to study fine art.
He said: "I joined a boy band and I had to drop out when I was about 16/17. It was called The One.
"We had a GMTV series."
They went on to tour with the likes of Peter Andre and Boyzone. "It was great fun at that age to have that opportunity. It would be silly not to do it," he said.
Thomas has played Joey in War Horse at the New London Theatre and prior to that was in the War Horse production at The National as Topthorn Hind. He said: "I had been trying to crack The National for years. The body of work being showcased there is incredible- it is all about exploration and interpretation.
"I would say that is the show that pushed me to my limits."
He was also in Sister Act at the Palladium as TJ. During his time with the show he was joined on stage by producer Whoopi Goldberg.
Thomas said: "She was just a breath of fresh air. I can't tell you how much energy this woman put into the show. Just to be around her was so inspiring. The simple words she would say motivated everyone. She was a lovely, humbling person to be around."
He said there are still so many things he would like to do, including more films.
He said: "I want to continue to challenge myself. There is always something I would like to get my teeth into."
The Jersey Boys is at the Piccadilly Theatre from Tuesdays to Saturdays at 7.30pm, Tuesday and Saturday matinees at 3pm and on Sundays at 5pm. Current booking period to October 26. Tickets: £22.50 to £67.50.
Call 0844 8717630 or go to www.jerseyboyslondon.com.
A new film about the Jersey Boys has been released in cinemas nationwide this week.
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THOMASTON, Maine ( TheStreet) -- Rick Tonge has this to say to Bank of America Merrill Lynch's ( BAC) Nat Schindler, Goldman Sachs' ( GS) Heath Terry or any one of the dozens of Wall Street analysts who cover red-hot online streaming service Pandora Media ( P). "There is not one thing about the company that makes any sense," the owner of Tonge Investments told me from this rocky, mid-coastal Maine town. "But that has not stopped me from doubling my clients' money by buying the stock." Tonge is my kind of investment professional. He doesn't have some stuffy office in the World Financial Center. Rather, he works out of his rural hometown of Waterville, Maine, near his alma mater of Colby College. Despite his central Maine roots, Tonge -- who pronounces his name to sort of rhyme with the french pronunciation of "orange" -- grew up in the financial markets. He took his Series 7 exam back in 1974 to work in his father's and grandfather's brokerage business while still in high school. And he's made his living making his clients' money ever since. "I have directly participated in every crash of the modern era," he told me, nibbling on pizza during a reception here. "If you're going to be a sole proprietor like I am, you learn a thing or two about protecting your clients' money."
What Information Age skeptics will love about Tonge is how he has little room for the supposed must-haves of the information era. He does not use sophisticated risk management models or complex, real-time, computer-driven trading algos. He keeps CNBC turned off during the day and struggles to keep up with the pile of Barron's magazines in his office. "I'm not looking at my stupid computer all day. I can't remember the last financial statement I studied," he said. "That's all noise. The trick actually is cutting down on those inputs. Instead, I use my brain." Tonge relies on a simple mix of throwback technical, so-called "point and figure" charting and a seat-of-the-pants value investing style, a la Fidelity Investments' Peter Lynch, to manage $33 million in a mix of stocks, bonds, electronically traded funds and the occasional covered call. A handful of his 100 some-odd clients with whom I spoke confirm that their returns are worth the between one-half and one-percent annual fees he charges.

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Meet the Models spotlights each and every model featured in Scottsdale Living — so you can get to know them better.
Up next on Meet the Models, meet Jeanna Jeanna, who not only graces the cover of our Spring 2012 with that retro-fabulous cap, but she can also be found within the same issue donning KKINI's Monroe Bathers Tank, which you can find at Exquisite Swimwear.
How did you start modeling?
In 2001 in Georgia, I saw a flier for a fashion show. They needed models, and I didn't know anyone that side of the Mississippi so I figured, "Why not?" That day opened up the door for me to be signed with Elite, New York, L'Agence and The Talent Group, Atlanta & Paolo Tomei, Milan. I was a dental assistant at the time and now a nurse, and it has always been a fun hobby.
What type of modeling do you like the most and why?
I like editorial and glamour. They feel the most fun, and I like when there is a funky creative edge that is inspiring the shoot.
What is your favorite shoot you've done and why?
There are so many that were fun and could easily be a favorite. I loved shooting in Italy and overcoming the language barrier added to it. Studio and closed-set shoots are great, too, because people seem to be more relaxed and act like themselves. Anything with a great makeup artist and lots of free flow creativity is a good time.
Do you have an all-time favorite modeling photo?
‹‹‹ Credit: Gibson Photo Art
What advice would you give to someone interested in modeling?
Go to school and get a degree in something that will last because your looks won't and people respect intelligence over beauty at the end of the day.
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Brian Day
Director of Advanced Analytics
Ensuring maximum Medicare revenues
Highmark saves millions of dollars by finding patients who qualify for higher reimbursements
Health insurance companies that participate in the federal Medicare Advantage program are reimbursed based on the level of illness in the population they cover, which is measured using diagnosis codes. But what happens when a patient has an illness that a hospital or physician's office doesn't code properly? Or a member doesn't seek services for that condition in a given year? Insurers risk losing thousands of dollars per case. With SAS® Enterprise Miner™, Highmark dramatically reduces that risk.
Highmark relies on SAS Enterprise Miner to build decision trees that map likely outcomes a patient faces based on measures such as symptoms, health history and demographics. Called the CMS Reimbursement Model, the application looks for patients who are missing appropriate diagnoses for up to 27 condition hierarchies and prioritizes them based on risk. An accurate diagnosis for each patient is critical because the reimbursement received from the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) is contingent upon the diagnosis.
"For example, if we find that someone looks like they have Parkinson's disease or chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, but the patient's claims are missing the specific diagnosis code tied to the disorder, that will potentially cost us a lot of money," explains Brian Day, Highmark's Director of Advanced Analytics. "Using SAS, we can identify which cases have the highest probability of reimbursement potential. Our revenue management area would then submit a change and receive proper reimbursement."
SAS helps us do some very sophisticated work. If we didn't have SAS we couldn't come up with some of the answers we've gotten.
Brian Day
Although Highmark could theoretically review every chart for missed diagnoses, it is important to effectively whittle down the number of cases that might require resubmission because the actual process is costly and time-consuming. "With SAS we don't have to do as many chart reviews and that improves the bottom line," Day says. "This program identifies millions of dollars in previously undetected medical risk each year."
Here's how it works: The decision trees build predictive models that comb through reimbursement data looking for treatments and prescriptions that suggest a population of patients that have an undiagnosed condition, such as diabetes. In the diabetes example, some patients might have been diagnosed with diabetes in the past, but for unknown reasons their diagnosis is no longer on their records – even though they are insulin dependent or have other markers of the disease. By summing up the parts of the 27 disease hierarchy trees – each with hundreds of variables – patients receive a comprehensive, severity-weighted "possible diagnosis gap" score.
"We can be strategic in the way we identify underlying conditions," Day says.
Choosing an in-house approach, rather than outsourcing
Day says there are numerous vendors that Highmark could outsource to in order to perform this type of analysis. "But they are just giving you lists, it's all black box stuff," Day says, explaining that the vendors don't share how they find potential undiagnosed patients. "You can't repeat it in-house because it's proprietary. It is also very expensive," Day says.
"With the capabilities we have from SAS, there is no reason to go with an outside vendor," Day says. News about the work in Day's group has spread. Highmark's division in charge of its Medicare Advantage program now wants to move its condition management process internally, using SAS as a base for the analytics.
With SAS, Highmark can also:
Mine data for marketing. The insurer searches the databases for members who have recently left a company that purchased insurance through Highmark. Using various attributes on file, Highmark creates a list of individuals that are good candidates for purchasing individual coverage. "We look at information like family structure and type of employment they're in to come up with a mail campaign strategy," Day says.
Develop sophisticated data mining skills easily. Day's group recently transitioned to SAS®9, a process that went very smoothly. "The SAS experts have been nothing less than super. And the training helps my staff use SAS immediately." Day himself had not data mined prior to using SAS, yet found it easy to pick up. "The gist of the process was very explainable. It's just so nice and straightforward to work with."
"SAS helps us do some very sophisticated processes. If we didn't have SAS we couldn't come up with some of the answers we've gotten."
Find un- or misdiagnosed patients with illnesses that qualify for higher Medicare reimbursements.
The insurer estimates it saves millions of dollars by finding patients with one of 27 illnesses that qualify for higher Medicare reimbursements.
Bu makalede gösterilen sonuçlar, burada açıklanan belirli durumlara, iş modellerine, veri girdilerine ve hesaplama ortamlarına özeldir. Ticari ve teknik değişkenlere bağlı olarak, her bir SAS müşterisinin deneyimi kendine özgüdür ve hiçbir açıklama tipik olarak düşünülmemelidir. Gerçekleşen tasarruflar, sonuçlar ve performans özellikleri, bireysel müşteri konfigürasyonlarına ve koşullara göre değişiklik gösterecektir. SAS, her müşterinin benzer sonuçlara ulaşacağını garanti etmemekte veya bu konuda bir taahhütte bulunmamaktadır. SAS ürün ve hizmetlerine yönelik tek garanti, söz konusu ürün ve hizmetlere dair yazılı anlaşmada belirtilen açık garanti beyanlarında ifade edilen garantilerdir. Bu belgedeki hiçbir ifade, ek bir garanti teşkil ettiği yönünde yorumlanmayacaktır. Müşteriler, üzerinde anlaşılmış bir sözleşmeden doğan bir alış verişin bir parçası olarak ya da SAS yazılımının başarılı bir şekilde uygulanmasının ardından sunulan proje başarı özetinde, başarılarını SAS ile paylaşmışlardır. Marka ve ürün adları, söz konusu şirketlerin ticari markalarıdır.


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Howard Lester Flood
Leader in area banking
Howard Lester Flood, 78, of Stow, died Jan. 17, 2013.
Born in Staten Island, N.Y., he had lived in Stow since 1977, prior to that for 16 years in Cuyahoga Falls. Mr. Flood was a U.S. Army Airborne veteran of the Korean Conflict, serving from May 1952 to December 1957 and was one of the first Green Berets with the 10th Special Forces Group.
He joined First National Bank of Akron in 1963 and served in various capacities, including senior vice president and senior lender. In 1983 he became president and CEO of First National Bank of Akron and First Bancorporation of Ohio (now FirstMerit Bank). In 1996 he retired as chairman of the board and director of First Bancorporation of Ohio.
A member of Immaculate Heart of Mary Catholic Church in Cuyahoga Falls and Holy Family Catholic Church in Stow, he was actively involved in his community, resulting in many honors, awards and recognitions. He also loved to fly and owned his own plane.
Preceded in death by his parents Edward H. Flood and Julia C. Lawson and siblings Mary MacDonald, John Flood and William Flood, he is survived by his wife of almost 55 years, Georgiana "Gena" (nee Rusinko); daughter, Elizabeth Ann (Joseph Robert) Gezzar of Stow; grandchildren, Kyla Madison and Owen Howard; sisters, Edith Bishop of N. Fort Myers, Fla., LaVerne Pfleging of St. Louis and Julia (Ron) Hanzl of Cape Coral, Fla.; brother-in-law and sister-in-law, George and Elaine Rusinko; and many nieces and nephews.
Visitation was at Redmon Funeral Home with Mass of the Christian Burial celebrated at Holy Family Catholic Church. Burial was at Calvary Cemetery in Lorain with military honors provided by the U.S. Army. Memorials may be made to the charity of one's choice.


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He admits he is no saint. But a career criminal swears he was the innocent victim of two rogue Winnipeg police officers looking to dish out some street justice.
Kristofer Shawn Fournier, 23, took the witness stand today to detail a disturbing 2007 incident which has put the cops on trial.
Const. Darrel Keith Selley, 37, is facing several charges, including attempted murder, fabricating evidence, careless use of a firearm and criminal negligence. Const. Kristopher John Overwater, 31, is charged with dangerous driving, fabricating evidence and "aiding and abetting."
Fournier admitted he was behind the wheel of a stolen Yukon SUV when police began chasing him, believing he may have been involved in a nearby armed robbery of a 7-Eleven store. And Fournier doesn't dispute driving at excessive speeds through residential neighbourhoods while high on meth while carrying cocaine in his pocket.
But Fournier insists he did nothing more than run away on foot after his vehicle spun out at an intersection. Moments later, he was ducking bullets as somebody yelled "shoot him."
The fourth shot fired in his direction struck him in the buttocks. He escaped without serious injury.
Fournier's credibility will be a major issue for jurors. Defence lawyers began grilling him in cross-examination late this morning, bringing up his extensive criminal record which includes convictions for auto theft and drug dealing.
Fournier told jurors he's a changed man today, having obtained a full-time job, moved out of the city and found a steady relationship.
In his opening statement on Monday, prosecutor Robert Tapper warned jurors not to get caught up in the different backgrounds of those involved, saying the evidence is clear some major misconduct took place.
"Law and order and justice is to be dispensed in courtrooms like this. Not the back lanes of residential Winnipeg," said Tapper. He told jurors there is no question the accused tried to kill an unarmed criminal by shooting him in the buttocks, then attempted to cover up their wrongdoing by inventing a bogus story.
Tapper urged jurors not to be swayed by the fact the two accused are police officers, while their victim is someone they might typically look down upon.
"Go where the evidence takes you," said Tapper. He claims the facts will become clear that Selley and Overwater acted "far outside their duties."
Tapper told jurors Monday Overwater was driving and ignored orders from his commanding officers to abort the chase. He alleges Overwater also lied about his speed and road conditions during the pursuit, which will be proven by GPS readings obtained from the cruiser car.
"He did not want to give up the chase," said Tapper.
Fournier ran away -- not wanting to be caught with a stash of drugs -- and was shot despite posing no apparent threat to the officers and having no weapon. Tapper said Selley fired his weapon while running after Fournier. Overwater then allegedly placed his own gun next to the wounded, handcuffed Fournier, telling other officers the suspect had made a grab for it, Tapper said.
"These two gentlemen were acting outside their duties as police officers," said Tapper.


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HOUSTON - A Korean War veteran nearly beaten to death in a home invasion took the stand Tuesday against the man he says attacked him.
The victim in this case, Thomas "Big Tom" Mixon, said he remembers coming home, and the next thing he remembers is waking up in the hospital.
Wearing an eye patch over the eye he lost in the attack, Mixon described to jurors Tuesday all that he lost in the home invasion.
At time, Mixon teared up. His son did the same outside the courtroom after the testimony.
"It was very difficult to relive the whole thing, to go through it again," said Mixon's son. "You just don't want to see him go through something like that."
The then 79-year-old Marine was attacked in his home in the city of south Houston during a home invasion.
Police said Charles Turner was the suspected attacker. An expert said that DNA collected ties Turner to the crime.
Mixon said he lost all but two teeth. His family said every bone in his face was broken.
Mixon was found drowning in his own blood, his wife called for help and he was rushed to the hospital.
"Just gotta do what they tell me to do until I recover," said Mixon.
Local 2 spoke with Mixon after he came home from the hospital more than a year and a half ago.
"I don't know why, what I went through, and the Lord has kept me for some reason," said Mixon.
A jury must now decide if Turner is to blame.
Closing arguments are Wednesday morning. The case is expected to be in the hands of the jury by 11 am.
Turner could face up to life in prison. Because of the nature of the crime, he would not be eligible for probation.
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The Tech 2 shield generators are a cheap form of base defense structures. They are designed with a shield radius to only be able to protect nearby small structures or units.
Design & use Edit
These shields are designed to defend base from early bomber runs or land rush to protect strategic structures, such as extractors, power generators etc.. Although it has less Shield points than T3 Shield Generator, you may consider building more of T2 SG for protection rather than T3 SG. T3 SG cover a wider area, but also consume a lot more energy than T2, and a drawback for T3 SG might even be it's range, since most gunships will be able to fly in and destroy it. If you need heavy protection, against large scale attacks upon your base, consider building both shields - T2 and T3, with T2 covering T3 shield, that way your defenses will be protected more effeciently, since breaking the shield down will only reveal your firebase structures (considering, that you built it for defenses) and save T3 SG from being destroyed and give time for it to reload.
Building Edit
It is recommended to always build these shields next to tech 2 power generators, as it will both protect the vulnerable generator, and reduce shield costs. These shields are not very expensive to build, and costs about the same as a one or two tech 2 land units. However, they consume between 100 and 250 power, or between half and one fifth of a tech 2 power generator.
Factional differences Edit
UEF Edit
The SD - Pulse is the median shield, relatively expensive with average strength but a good area coverage. It can upgrade to T3 in less than 60% of the time that another faction's would take.
Aeon Edit
The Aeon Shield of Light has a smaller shield radius, but it is stronger, reloads at a much faster rate, and consumes only 150 power. However, it can not be directly upgraded to an Aeon heavy shield.
Seraphim Edit
The Seraphim Atha is clearly the most powerful shield, being tougher than the Shield of Light and possessing the largest radius, but is also the most costly.
Cybran Edit
The Cybran T2 Shield Generator is a special case. It is by far the weakest of all four shields, however, costing only a fourth of the others, and with a consumption of only 100 energy, it is the best stationary tech 2 shield, per cost. The ED1 can also be upgraded if extra defense is required; however since it has no T3 version it must always be built at its minimum size then upgraded. See Cybran T2 Shield Generator for more information on this shield.


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Our students are dedicated and enjoy their time together - in the classroom, as part of a student professional organization, volunteering in the community, or at a casual get-together.
The Hafter Student Community Center is the premier campus meeting place for students, with a large well-furnished and comfortable student lounge area in addition to the pool tables, foosball tables, large screen TVs and small meeting rooms reserved specifically for student use.
Classes, labs and clinical rotations plus busy home lives do not slow Salus University students down, and our many active student organizations are proof of this.
The University encourages students from all programs to support the student organizations represented on campus. Many organizations are profession specific, such as Students in Optometric Service to Humanity (SOSH); however, the Lions Club and other student organizations welcome students from all of our degree programs.
Our students also have a number of social events on and off campus throughout the year. Student life at Salus University is vibrant, providing multiple opportunities for fun as well as service.


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I don't even know where to begin with this piece! I bought it from a real estate agent. It was left in a house that foreclosed. It looks like it's handmade, and it's very sturdy.
We use it for the entryway for hats and coats (as you can see). We added vintage iron hooks to make it functional for us.
One other note...the back of this bench is curved.
If anyone has any information about this style or era, please let me know.


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Useful Info
There is some good info here that's been translated from the databook that we could have added to the article. Namely I see some stuff about the Military Police Force there. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) current discussion Dec 10, 2007 @ 05:18 (UTC)
Shouldn't the "C" in clan be capitilized since it is specifically the Uchiha Clan? 07:57, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
- Clan is not a proper noun, afaik there is no reason for clan to be capitalized. Clan is just something added onto the name to specify what it is, not a hard-written part of the name. "Uchiha clan" could also be referred to as "the Uchihas" or anything else, it's just a different way of saying it, so by no means is it a solid title where the entire thing is capitalized, besides, the lower case word is better for linking. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) current discussion Feb 16, 2008 @ 08:16 (UTC)
Who are the Three New Uchiha
A few weeks ago I saw three new Uchiha names on this page. I wanted to wait to see what happened with the names, but nothing did. I went to check this website called Leafninja.com and the Uchiha with these names, Hikaku, Setsuna, and Yakumi aren't on there. I was going to delete them, but I thought about talking about them first on here on the discussion page, to find out if anyone might know who they are. Again the names are Hikaku Uchiha, Setsuna Uchiha, and Yakumi Uchiha. Hopemon 21:32, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
- I think I have seen them before, and then they was removed because they were fan made. I'm going to remove them, and if they are part of some game, change them back. Jacce 04:36, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
Well Jacce I guess Hikaku, Setsuna, and Yakumi have a spot as an Uchiha. But did they come up in the third data book? Hopemon 04:45, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
- I haven't read the book myself, but their pages were made by a trusted member, so I guess I was wrong. Jacce 05:38, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Ok where did it say they are missing ninja? All of the Uchiha lived in the village and only three have became missing ninja. (Sasuke Uchiha, Itachi Uchiha, and Madara Uchiha) All of the Uchiha clan cannot be missing if they all was in the village till they got killed by Itachi and Madara. Can someone tell me where or when it said they were all missing. Hopemon 18:19, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
- it ment all of the survivors of clan massacre
Uchiha Clan Breeding
Hopefully this doesn't offend anyone, but it seems, at least in Itachi's case, the Uchiha clan might practice Incest as when Madara told Sasuke about Itachi's orders, he told that Itachi even killed his lover, so this meant that she was an Uchiha as well. Though I know that it probably shouldn't be mentioned, should we put this on the Uchiha Clan page? - Juubi no Ryuu
- No, that's speculation, and poorly reasoned at that. Being part of the clan doesn't imply any relation that could be considered incest. Family has two children, those children have children with someone else, and those children have children with someone else, then one of those children marries one of the other ones. By that point in time they are distant relatives, not even cousins, yet they are part of the same clan. This is something that is known to happen throughout history, noble families have done this for centuries in the past to keep their family blood line "pure" by marrying within the distant family. This is nothing new or unexpected for a clan like the Uchiha, though at the same time you could just chalk this up as Itachi going out with another unrelated clan member. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Apr 17, 2009 @ 02:03 (UTC)
Indeed, it's just speculation, I mean I'm no moderator or anything but I'm pretty sure speculations are not allowed to be posted on an article. It needs to be confirmed in some way, though in Japanese culture cousins do commonly marry/ breed, but we don't know if Kishimoto adapted that feature for the Uchiha (we're sure by speculation but no proof).--Artist of Flash (talk) 11:39, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Yes and it also links back to the definition of clan. A group of people united by actual or percieved kinship and descent meaning that there are 3 ways to become part of a clan. 1. One or both of your parents where part of the clan. 2. Marrying into the clan. 3. If not related to any member of the clan by blood, accepted as part of the clan by any of its members. The last two mean that not all members of a clan have to be related by blood therefore inbreeding is an option but not a necessity to reproduction of the clan. WolfMaster (talk) 00:10, February 14, 2010 (UTC)
There may be Uchiha in Kirigakure since Madara was there —This unsigned comment was made by 184.108.40.206 (talk • contribs) .
- Since its never been shown, or been mentioned, there's no point..-- AlienGamer--Talk-- 08:28, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
I agree cuz the only Uchiha who've been near Kirigakure were Madara and Sasuke.—This unsigned comment was made by Amaterasu789 (talk • contribs) .
Adding Rinnegan Icon
Should we add a Rinnegan icon, it seems that Sharingan was derived from Rinnegan according to Madara's story.—This unsigned comment was made by 18.104.22.168 (talk • contribs) .
- No since no Uchiha's have ever been seen with the Rinnegan. Doing that would cause a lot of unnecessary confusion...--AlienGamer--Talk (contribs)-- 13:49, September 5, 2009 (UTC)
Uchiha Shrine
I'm not sure if this is stated somewhere already but the Shrine under the Uchiha house seen multiple times in Sasuke's flashbacks has some signifigants. If its not stated anywhere I think a page or something like that should be made. It seems important and has been pointed out multiple times.--KingBarragan, Rest in Peace (talk) 10:53, October 9, 2009 (UTC)
Hyuga's Offspring?
Kay, now it's 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000% clear where the Uchiha clan came from. Then why "Kakashi explained that the Uchiha Clan was an offspring of Hyuga Clan."?--Narutodude (talk) 02:31, October 16, 2009 (UTC)Narutodude
- Because Kakashi explained that the Uchiha clan are thought to be the descendants of the Hyūga clan. Something that can still be true, even with the recent revelations. --ShounenSuki (talk | contribs) 16:45, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
dont think so uchia and senju connected and from rinnegan but come on hyuga was there at the time as rinnegan we dont know when they came to the village uchia were there from the beginning so we can easily say that hyuga came from them due to know facts they been longerthen uchia first was the son of rinnegan user i think kakashi was talking about rumors but hey no one knew the rinnegan exist except jiraya so they dont know whole trueth of it—This unsigned comment was made by 126.96.36.199 (talk • contribs) .
- Uchiha and Senju do "connect" as you say, but you don't know how many Mutations this went through before it became this. Saying that they weren't there (which is an assumption since we still don't know everything) isn't correct and as such, Kakashi's words still stand.--Cerez365™ 20:33, August 2, 2011 (UTC)
no they have no standing at all kakashi is no uchia he would not no there history only uchia members like sasuke itachi in madara would take him for his word alone is crazy the creator probably was gonna link them but then change like he change deidara to having a kekei genkai explosion release if you ask me i think hyuga came from another dojutsu thats not reveal yet beside kakashi untrue words theres no connection madara did not mention them there even mention in the past they probably to leaf from another village (22.214.171.124 (talk) 01:32, October 2, 2011 (UTC))
- Kakashi said the Uchiha were thought to be offspring of the Hyūga, it was never said that they were confirmed as such. And what others said before still stands, there are ways the Uchiha could be off-spring of the Hyūga. They could have branched from the older son's line before that line became known as Uchiha, for example. Deidara having kekkei genkai in no way contradicts anything ever said about him either when you actually put some thought in it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:51, October 2, 2011 (UTC)
kakashi said himself these are rumors people probably thought cause see uchia bad hyuga and thought uchia was hyuga offspring this is nothing but a rumor they have never mention with uchia senju i think you guys are just holding to this cause kakashi said it face facts that is not true we have more than enough information to prove its not (188.8.131.52 (talk) 01:56, October 2, 2011 (UTC))
- Evidence such as?--Cerez365™ 02:02, October 2, 2011 (UTC)
- Like I said, nothing said so far invalidates people thinking that Uchiha are descended from the Hyūga, you're not grasping that. And absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence, so there's still the possibility of a connection between those two clans. We cover information from all points in the series, so if at one point that was said, we cover it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 02:06, October 2, 2011 (UTC)
a rumor is evidence you take kakashi words you guys just want a connection between but the connection only is senju uchia rinnegan only mada does not even mention them they could have come from another village before going to leaf my side still stands i see your points but theres not gonna be a connection rumors are always lies they could have byakugan with rinnegan (220.127.116.11 (talk) 02:14, October 2, 2011 (UTC))
You're still not getting it. Let me put it this way: nothing said so far in the entire manga proves that the Uchiha aren't and weren't ever related to the Hyūga, that says they're not related beyond any argumentation. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 02:22, October 2, 2011 (UTC)
controlling the the tailed beasts
is it just madara or any uchiha can control the tailed beasts or at least the kyuubi? --184.108.40.206 (talk) 19:50, January 14, 2010 (UTC)
The relationship between sharingan and tailed beasts still seems to me quite obscure. It seems that Sasuke can somehow supress the ninetails chakra in naruto. It also seems that Madara needed the mangekyo if not the eternal mangekyo sharingan to control de nine tails. And it is also unclear if he could summon it with the summoning jutsu. Madara also tells that the reason the uchiha became feared and segregated in konoha was because of the power to control the tailed beasts. Maybe it is simply because thanks to their natural talent with genjutsu they could easily gain control over the beasts as sasuke does with manda???Neji uchiha (talk) 04:00, February 22, 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone have a picture of the old Uchiha clan from Shippuuden 140 "Fate" that could replace the manga scan? Just asking. —This unsigned comment was made by Kusarigama (talk • contribs) .
Sasori's Puppets
Shouldn't the two puppets Sasori had that have Sharingan count as deceased members?Amaterasu789 (talk) 00:52, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
if the uchiha clan were descendants of the older brother, why is their kekeigenkai not the rinnegan? also i didnt know that only a few people the the villiage had the capability to achieve the sharingan, is tha because only one of an uchiha's parents are descended from the older brother? I actually have more questions about the whole clan thing and breeding and descendants and stuff but thinking up all these questions gets annoying. Dj q-pid (talk) 16:17, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
- The rinnegan mutated into the sharingan over time. Even the elder brother already had a spiral instead of rings like the Sage had. The capacity to activate the sharingan is likely based on whether or not it got passed down (like you say, only one of the parents may be a descendant in some cases), whether the person has strong enough chakra to (one could genetically have it, but just be too weak), and so on. ZeroSD (talk) 19:36, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
What about the Hyuga Clan? Shouldn't the byakugan mutate into the sharingan?Amaterasu789 (talk) 20:33, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
Female Sharingan Users
hey who deleted the thing about me saying theres no female uchia with Sharingan its true no lie you all no this im putting it back cause its a fact that theres no uchia whos female with sharingan and dont bring in fanon crap or video games cause those are not canon —This unsigned comment was made by 126.96.36.199 (talk • contribs) .
- We've seen a total of two female Uchiha, neither of which was in a combat situation. How do you know if they didn't have the Sharingan? Even if they didn't, how do you know no female Uchiha has it? Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. —ShounenSuki (talk | contribs | translations) 00:34, August 3, 2011 (UTC)
how you dont know those 2 female uchia were not married an the family is there proof that they were born in the family im putting it back cause you guys cant find evidence that they were blood uchia which is how you get sharingan —This unsigned comment was made by 126.96.36.199 (talk • contribs) .
- In any case, unless it was stated by Kishimoto that women cannot/ do not wield the dōjutsu, it's considered junk trivia.--Cerez365™ 01:13, August 3, 2011 (UTC)
wow so you have know proof that they were not married into the family the sharingan has to be awaken unlike the byakugan so if they did not activate they dont have so tell me how you know have it then or uchia by blood then cause you dont but you know i will just theres currently no living female uchia alive yet cause its a fact in you know it so its going there —This unsigned comment was made by 220.127.116.11 (talk • contribs) .
why delete my thing its all true madara in his brother were the only ones with enternal there has never been an female uchia with Mangekyō Sharingan or Enternal Mangekyō Sharingan and thats true no female uchia has been mention to have and no female uchia is alive im putting it back do not delete its true thank you —This unsigned comment was made by 220.127.116.11 (talk • contribs) .
If we included every trivia point like this, we'd have so much information we could split it all in a separate article. Most of those are coincidences and don't add anything to the article. Do not put it back. And only Madara (and now Sasuke) are the ones with Eternal Mangekyō. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:36, August 3, 2011 (UTC)
people need to know that theres has never been an female uchia with Mangekyō Sharingan or Enternal Mangekyō Sharingan if that you guys did not trivia full than why have it any way in whats so special about those trivias oh an yeah im putting it back cause its true in fact and damn how i forget sasuke has EMS —This unsigned comment was made by 22.214.171.124 (talk • contribs) .
Please sign your posts, just put ~~~~ at the end of your post. No female with the Mangekyō because very few people ever got it. It's like pointing out that there has been no female with the Rinnegan, or no male with Boil Release. Pointless. The fact no female has it can quickly be understood by reading the infobox, so no point in actually spelling that out. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:47, August 3, 2011 (UTC)
- It's just odd to me that people wouldn't be able to come to that realisation from reading the article or drawing their own conclusions the way you have.--Cerez365™ 01:48, August 3, 2011 (UTC)
- I would once again like to point out that there is zero evidence of no woman ever having activated the Sharingan, the Mangekyō Sharingan, and/or the eternal Mangekyō Sharingan. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. —ShounenSuki (talk | contribs | translations) 10:41, August 3, 2011 (UTC)
are you gonna list rinnegan
are you guys gonna list rinnegan has there kekei genkai (188.8.131.52 (talk) 19:12, October 19, 2011 (UTC))
- No. One of them awakened it, and we don't know how or why. They weren't known for Rinnegan like the Senju were known for Hashirama's Wood Release. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:40, October 19, 2011 (UTC)
It has been pretty much hinted and stated by Kabuto and Madara that in the Uchiha clan only a EMS user can awaken it, so once Sasuke awakens it you should put it in there. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 07:23, October 26, 2011 (UTC)
We also don't know how or why or if Hashirama had to awaken the Wood Release. So whatever Kekkei Genkai that a clan member has should be listed in the Clan page even if its a exclusive for one member. So Sasuke's blaze release and The Rinnegan should be added to the Uchiha page, and the Rinnegan should be added to the Uzumaki page. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 07:36, October 26, 2011 (UTC)
I added the Rinnegan since it has Shown up in at least one member of the clan, now a section needs to be made for it more specifically. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 07:43, October 26, 2011 (UTC)
- And I removed it since we don't know exactly how he got it or even if other clan members would be able to do the same. His and Nagato's case are basically the same. Something like that warrants input from other editors at the least.--Cerez365™ 11:35, October 26, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah your right, I cold of sworn I removed it myself or maybe that was just on the Uzumaki Page I removed it after I added it? Until ShounenSuki gets the raw and confirms things this cannot be confirmed 100% it self. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 18:57, October 26, 2011 (UTC)
" would be able to do the same." That argument is invalid, as we don't know if other clan members can use Wood Release in the Senju clan, or if other clan members can use Blaze Release in the Uchiha clan. So you either take away wood release and blaze release off of the clan pages, or you add Rinnegan to the clan pages. Its a conflict of general agreement and why some of you on here are being bias to the fact. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 19:01, October 26, 2011 (UTC)
Wood Release is only listed in the Senju clan article because their leader was highly famed for the kekkei genkai and because that's part of their namesake. So far, everything the Uchiha have done roots back to the Sharingan. Think of it as Blaze Release being to MS what MS is to Sharingan. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:02, October 26, 2011 (UTC)
That would be incorrect until Databook info is made supporting that, the only thing it has been hinted to be is an ability of Sasuke's left Mangekyo eye I think it was, nobody elses. Sasuke has Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu and Kagutsuchi because of of Itachi sealing Amaterasu the technique itself in his eye. Giving him 3 techniques instead of 2, there for it is not a clan Kekkei Genkai, but a Individual Kekkei Genkei. Which means you cannot list that on the clan page the same way you can't list the Mangekyo techniques on the clan page or Shikotsumyaku on the Kaguya clan page since it was said he was the only on to have the ability in his clan from what I remember which is why Orochimaru wanted his body, and also it is not the same difference as the Sharingan to the Mangekyo Sharingan. It is simply a technique given to him by his Mangekyo. But this is up for debate so ShounenSuki and the other admins need to read this and help decide on it. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 03:07, October 27, 2011 (UTC)
@ItachiWasAHero No, no, no. Sasuke doesn't have Tsukoyomi, Amaterasu because of Itachi. Itachi only sealed Amaterasu into his eye for a one-time use against Madara. He awakened his Mangekyo upon learning the truth behind Itachi. And Kagutsuchi is just the shape manipulation of Amaterasu (Blaze Release) It is not a separate technique granted by his Mangekyo. Skitts (talk) 03:30, October 27, 2011 (UTC)
First off I never said he got Tsukuyomi from Itachi, only Amaterasu. Secondly C states clearly it must be his 1 eye's own ability. BLAZE RELEASE is granted by his Mangekyo, making it EXCLUSIVE to him, NO OTHER MANGEKYO USER HAS BEEN SHOWN OR STATED to be able to use it. He sealed the TECHNIQUE AMATERASU IN Sasuke's eye. It may have been for that one time use, but who's to say it did not trigger an awakening of the technique in his Mangekyo, there is no proof to deny that, and in fact more hints to prove it. Kagutsuchi IS the BLAZE RELEASE. everything hints to that and until I am proven wrong I won't believe otherwise. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 03:51, October 27, 2011 (UTC)
First off, stop using all caps. It's the internet equivalent of yelling.
And you're incapable of proving what you're saying. Itachi did not give Sasuke Amaterasu. If you remember, Itachi's Mangekyo appeared in Sasuke's eye and used Amaterasu. If it had been Sasuke's Mangekyo that activated to use it on Tobi, what you're saying might be true.
It's not that hard to believe that Sasuke and Itachi just have the same Mangekyo abilities. As we've seen, their skill with their abilities is different entirely, along with the eye used for Tsukiyomi and Amaterasu. Itachi's Tsukiyomi was far above Sasuke's, while Sasuke's Amaterasu was far above Itachi's, hence Blaze Release.
There is no reason to believe that Blaze Release is an ability granted by his Mangekyo Sharingan. And to be honest, we don't have to prove that it isn't. You have to prove that it is, which you have not done yet. Ryne 91 (talk) 04:29, October 27, 2011 (UTC)
Show me another Uchiha who can use blaze release YOU CAN'T, but I can show you 6 Uchiha who can use the Mangekyo Sharingan and 2 who can use the Eternal Mangekyo, also I can point out many more who have the normal Sharingan. Blaze release has not been stated to be used or seen being used by ANY other Uchiha, Itachi never used it. Sasuke on the other hand closes one eye when using it, the opposite eye of the one C says it originates from. All hints by actions and statements are only proving it to be Sasuke exclusive. I don't care if I am using the equivalent of yelling, you people simply aren't understanding the point I am trying to get across. And the clan is NOT known for Blaze Release. It is known for fire techniques demon windmill shuriken techniques, genjutu, and the Sharingan, NOT blaze release. So why is it on the Clan Page? Unless you people want to stop beingf biased and put the rinnegan on the uchiha page and on the uzumaki page. think of what I typed here. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 04:38, October 27, 2011 (UTC)
Be civil. There is no excuse for being discourteous in this situation.
Did you know that if I went to the scientific community and told them that my name was on the back of Pluto, they wouldn't believe me unless I gave them proof? Hints, suggestions, and possibilities wouldn't convince them, and it won't convince any of us in this case.
All you've proven is that Sasuke has more control over Amaterasu than Itachi did, which was pretty much common knowledge. As far as I can gather, Blaze Release is just manipulation of Amaterasu, thus it is directly related to the Mangekyo Sharingan while not actually being an ability specific to a single person.
And before you try to claim that only Itachi can use it, let me ask you a question. Have you see any of Madara's Mangekyo abilities other than Susanoo? Have you seen any of Izuna's Mangekyo abilities? Can you, with absolute certainty, say that Shisui only had one Mangekyo ability? Can you, with absolute certainty, say that Kakashi's Mangekyo is only capable of Kamui?
Until we know all of those answers, it is speculation to say that Blaze Release isn't an Uchiha clan Kekkei Genkai.
And before you bring up the Rinnegan again, let me remind you that Madara is not a typical Uchiha, especially if he has Hashirama's cells like Tobi claimed, and Nagato's Rinnegan was said to be given to him by Tobi. Until Kishimoto reveals how both characters obtained their Rinnegan, it would be speculation to say that it is the kekkei genkai of either clan. Ryne 91 (talk) 04:57, October 27, 2011 (UTC)
Fire Release, and the Uchiha.
Fire Release should be added to all Uchiha. As Tsunade backed up the statement that ALL Uchiha have fire release in chapter 562, when saying since Madara is an Uchiha, they need a way to counter his fire release jutsu. So Shisui, Kagami, Mikoto, ALL of them should have fire release added to their page's. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 14:06, November 6, 2011 (UTC)
- Mikoto? You don't even know anything of her origin and you're ready to decree that Fire Release be added to her infobox... Anyway, I think simple notations are enough in the relevant articles (Fire Release, Uchiha clan etc) and though I wouldn't say no to having it noted in the character's articles. It's a somewhat tedious(?) topic but this does seem like a case similar to the Hydrification Technique and the Hōzuki but it seems problematic because fire release is more "general"--Cerez365™ 14:17, November 6, 2011 (UTC)
How is this problematic? Mikoto is a Jonin. Tsunade, the manga, and the databooks all have stated all Uchiha have to use a fire release technique to be even Genin and to be adults. Therefor all Uchiha who have been even a genin in their life time has fire release, I am not making things up I am simply going by the facts given here through the manga and databooks. Also nobody else has been seen or heard of using the Hydrification technique, it is also labeled a HIDEN technique, which means it is only known and taught to CLAN MEMBERS of a certain clan, which means only the HOZUKI clan knows it. Btw I am not shouting, the capitalize words are simply bold to make it more clear so to say ItachiWasAHero (talk) 14:27, November 6, 2011 (UTC)
To me, it seems that Fire Release is characteristic of the Uchiha in the same way red hair is characteristic of the Uzumako. Characteristic, but not a rule. Nothing justifies simply adding Fire Release to all Uchiha. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:11, November 6, 2011 (UTC)
So, the fact that Mikoto probably married into the family has never crossed your mind? Shouting or not doesn't really concern me but just so you know, the wikia has a bold function. I agree with Omni, it's not like the information is lost on the wikia, it's mentioned in all the relevant area and referenced as well.--Cerez365™ 15:17, November 6, 2011 (UTC)
- It has never been said that the Uchiha needed to know Fire Release before being able to become genin. That would be rather cruel, seeing how elemental techniques are all chūnin-level and up. Learning Fire Release was a rite of passage; it marked someone as an adult, rather than a child. There are still plenty of possibilities for an Uchiha not to have learnt Fire Release, though; be it out of rebelliousness or physical inadequacy, not to mention those Uchiha who were simply civilians.
- And as Cerez365 said, Mikoto could easily have been from outside the clan. —ShounenSuki (talk | contribs | translations) 15:39, November 6, 2011 (UTC)
Didn't we go over not using this as a general talk page for articles that already exist? :? SimAnt 18:20, November 6, 2011 (UTC)
- Moving discussion.--Cerez365™ 12:18, November 7, 2011 (UTC)
I doubt she is from outside the clan, and I didn't see this article anywhere else. 220.127.116.11 (talk) 21:32, November 6, 2011 (UTC)
@Above That's because it hasn't been stated. We don't know if she's from the clan because she's a woman, hence her last name changed (duh). It was mentioned because it was foolish to assume she was a part of the clan and add Fire Release to her natures based on that. Skitts (talk) 21:36, November 6, 2011 (UTC)
It is foolish to assume she is not from the clan too. This is another case where databook and manga evidence needs to be used and found. Which, by the way you above me will not find any to support what you said either. 126.96.36.199 (talk) 04:44, November 7, 2011 (UTC)
Not really. I never assumed that she was or wasn't an Uchiha. The foolish thing to do here is to assume that she is an Uchiha and thus she can use Fire Release. I don't need to find evidence against in this case because there is none to find, thus saying she has it is speculation. This is a question about her having something that she was never stated or shown to have and an assumption that because she is in a clan (not necessarily from it) that she possesses a certain nature. Skitts (talk) 05:34, November 7, 2011 (UTC)
- No, we're to all assume that people within Naruto only marry within their clans when only one person has been shown to do so and another clan assumed to do so as well as far as I can remember.--Cerez365™ 12:18, November 7, 2011 (UTC)
We dont know if Uchiha breeded between themselves for generations ... theres no evidence that Mikoto is an Uchiha by blood. By your logic Minato must be an Uzumaki as well because his wife and son are named so, and because he can use some sealing techniques of the clan. So even if Mikoto is Uchiha, its not a must for her to have a fire release since it looks like she was more of a housewoman and this coming of age thing was more of a boy becoming a man. And also even if she is not Uchiha by blood, thats not an evidence for her not to have fire release and fireball technique either, since users outside of the clan were seen using it ... although it was only in anime --Elveonora (talk) 17:22, November 7, 2011 (UTC)
@Elveonora I guess you didn't notice that Cerez was being sarcastic. :) Skitts (talk) 19:22, November 7, 2011 (UTC)
You people really aren't that sharp are you. 126.96.36.199 (talk) 19:31, November 7, 2011 (UTC)
Actually, I'd say that most of the regulars here are quite sharp. However, unlike you, we don't feel the need to assume things to be true when no evidence exists. We don't know if she is a native clan member, and if that is uncertain, there is no reason to add Fire Release to her infobox. Skitts (talk) 19:41, November 7, 2011 (UTC)
That's the most laughable statement i've heard in a while... Anyway, Skitts, please to stop responding to him. This is a regular thing for him that will turn out to be nothing but a total waste of your time when there are vandals afoot.--Cerez365™ 19:52, November 7, 2011 (UTC)
Ah, didn't realize he did this often. Nice picture. xD Skitts (talk) 19:54, November 7, 2011 (UTC)
Member article protection
Given that (for now) the articles for these members are "complete" I'm putting in a petition for the protection on the articles be upped a little more. Because of the whole Tobi thing, vandals feel compelled to come an interject their opinions in them. Some of the articles just have a string of the same types of revisions being undone.--Cerez365™ 15:29, April 7, 2012 (UTC)
I'm not a vandal. I'm not making such edit and that's why I'm discussing it. You know ... --Elveonora (talk) 15:44, April 7, 2012 (UTC)
- Wasn't referring to you though friend. If I were I would have spoken to you directly.--Cerez365™ 15:50, April 7, 2012 (UTC)
I see. This is not "who Tobi is" speculation on my side. Just I find it hard to believe him not being an Uchiha. I know Itachi is a liar and all, but he said there's a 2nd Uchiha survivor and since he lied it was Madara, it must be Tobi. All the mastery, power, knowledge of his and he even has a fan similar to one that Madara used and Uchiha Crest on his clothes. --Elveonora (talk) 15:57, April 7, 2012 (UTC)
Izanagi and Izanami
Should not we add into infobox of each "Uchiha Clan" I thought once were clan techniques affiliated to the clans --Elveonora (talk) 16:29, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
- You mean state that each Uchiha can use it or have it show up in the clan's infobox? --Cerez365™(talk) 16:39, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
"Uchiha Clan" in infobox of each technique, or all Sharingan unique powers in Uchiha Clan infobox.--Elveonora (talk) 21:14, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
- That's not done for techniques that stem from kekkei genkai only hiden ones. They're shown on the kekkei genkai's article (hence the eye) beside the techniques.--Cerez365™(talk) 21:29, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
Oh, I see. Just thought it should be treated as "Uchiha techniques" since apparently everyone can use it unlike MS techniques and maybe my memory is wrong, but I thought once the clan affiliation was being listed in infobox--Elveonora (talk) 22:20, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
Uchiha clan in movies
Hey, I was just wondering, it says that Uchiha also came in the movies. Does it mean that the entire Uchiha clan came in the movies or just Sasuke uchiha? ~NOTASTAFF
- I'm assuming it's just [a] member(s). I don't remember seeing anyone's entire clan in any movie.--Cerez365™(talk) 10:27, June 18, 2012 (UTC)
That Tobi's jutsu, Uchiha Flame Battle Encampment, is considered an Uchiha technique, but he is not currently classified as an Uchiha. Say what you want, but there is more evidence that suggests he is a member of the clan than not. The only thing that discriminates him from being a member is that he is not who he claimed to be, despite never mentioning the name "Madara", to our knowledge, to Itachi at all.
Though, I guess I should just be patient since his identity is supposedly going to be revealed within the coming weeks. --Uchiha Suraku (talk) 05:52, August 2, 2012 (UTC)
- The latter would be preferred. It's marked an Uchiha technique because of its name, nothing more.--Cerez365™(talk) 10:25, August 2, 2012 (UTC)
You never know. He might be an Uchiha, and if so, he's more than likely is Kagami. --X29 15:17, August 2, 2012 (UTC)
@Cerez So non-Uchiha can use their techniques now? A Sharingan or the standard Fireball technique are exceptions as the former can be transplanted and the latter is not exclusive to the Uchiha, but this jutsu has the damn clan name in the technique name. But evidently he isn't an Uchiha, just using Uchiha abilities, wearing their clothes, and knows practically everything there is to know about the clan.
Just pointing out how outrageous and absurd this sounds. Good day. --Uchiha Suraku (talk) 17:45, August 2, 2012 (UTC)
- Not really outrageous. It's possible. --X29 17:52, August 2, 2012 (UTC)
At what point exactly have you seen me nor anyone else here say he's not an Uchiha? It's a technique, which is not known to be hiden or no known prerequisites or anything like that, of course someone who wanted people to think he's part of the clan could copy it, just as easily as he'd learn how to use a gunbai to further his story. Just as easily as he could be an Uchiha. Kishimoto himself said that we'll known in a few weeks who Tobi is, stop beating this dead horse and wait for it to be buried. Hopefully you won't die from ignorance by then yes? --Cerez365™(talk) 18:05, August 2, 2012 (UTC)
By not stating he's an Uchiha on this wikia. You don't have to directly say "Tobi isn't an Uchiha" because your actions (or lack thereof) speak louder than if you said he wasn't a member. But your argument that the pile of evidence and facts don't warrant him to be considered an Uchiha is a bunch of BS, and the only reason you refuse to make the change is because of laziness, or more likely, your own ignorance and bias. You can come up with all of these explanations all you want, but it's all just denial and your own opinions leaking out. The man isn't the original Madara Uchiha, fine. That's been established and any simple-minded dimwit that follows the manga can deduce that. However, had he never identified himself as the clan leader period, his actions and knowledge alone are still more than enough to hold the last name of Uchiha. If you take away a person's name, what makes them who they are? Their blood/DNA? Tobi can use Izanagi. The knowledge of the history of the clan and its members? Tobi has great knowledge of the history of Madara and the clan's history. Clothes? I've already addressed that. Abilities? That was my initial point. Attitude? He holds the clan in high regards and wants to use Sasuke to acknowledge it. Appearance? From what's been shown, he sure looks like an Uchiha.
Just because he isn't the original Madara Uchiha doesn't mean he isn't an Uchiha at all. That's all you've got that leads to him not being a clan member, and everything I just brought up outweighs that fact. --Uchiha Suraku (talk) 19:53, August 2, 2012 (UTC)
- All the things you said are all speculation. It's not proven yet that Tobi is an Uchiha. Why haven't we added to his article that he's an Uchiha? 'Cause it's not proven he is one yet. Till Naruto takes off that mask, we can't till who's Tobi. And please, language. Why you ask? 'Cause of the "BS". --X29 20:01, August 2, 2012 (UTC)
No, none of the aforementioned points are speculation at all. All pure, cold, hard facts. Itachi himself, who has a 5 in intelligence in the databook, concluded that Tobi was an Uchiha (NOT yet Madara). So by saying he isn't, you're not only calling Tobi a liar, but Itachi as well. --Uchiha Suraku (talk) 20:09, August 2, 2012 (UTC)
- Tobi lied when he said he's Madara Uchiha. Itachi never said Tobi's an Uchiha. He only referred to him as Madara, in which he was mistaken. And the stats in the databooks aren't accurate about the character themselves, even if Kishi published them himself. --X29 20:13, August 2, 2012 (UTC)
See, THAT's speculation. How do you know Tobi is not Madara at all? You don't, so you're theorizing. Itachi said he was Madara, who is an Uchiha, and prior to that, he said this after Tobi questioned him, "...and even look at the secret stone inside Nakano Sanctuary. Only the Uchiha know that place." To which Tobi replied "...You probably know that I'm an Uchiha..." Itachi heavily implied he was an Uchiha, and Tobi just confirmed it. That's practically the exact same thing as Itachi shouting "YOU ARE AN UCHIHA!" --Uchiha Suraku (talk) 20:23, August 2, 2012 (UTC)
From what I see, you're an idiot. Tobi's not Madara Uchiha. Why you ask? 'Cause the real Madara Uchiha is an eternal zombie with his own free will right now. And what assures you Tobi wasn't lying when he met Itachi? Itachi kept referring to him as Madara several times, most noticeable when he was present with Nagato and Naruto in the war. --X29 20:29, August 2, 2012 (UTC)
Being open-minded =/= being an idiot. Just because you only see the black and white of situations doesn't mean everyone has to. I could argue that Tobi could very well be a form of Madara, but that would be off topic as that's not what I'm trying to discuss. You just completely disregarded my second point, the main point of this topic, and only addressed about Madara, so I'm choosing to disregard you and my argument still stands. --Uchiha Suraku (talk) 20:35, August 2, 2012 (UTC)
Sighs If your main point's that Tobi's an Uchiha, then I only have this: If you think that what crawls is a bird and what flies is a reptile, I can't stop you. --X29 20:39, August 2, 2012 (UTC)
@X29, that really wasn't an intelligent reply. It's 99% obvious he is an Uchiha, him taking the mask off won't change anything, w have already seen some of his face, it alone doesn't matter. Name is important. Everything suggests him being one, having an Uchiha technique already added more proof to already obvious thing--Elveonora (talk) 21:36, August 2, 2012 (UTC)
- Gimme proof that Jutsu belongs to the Uchiha clan, other than it has the name "Uchiha" in it. I ain't gonna lie, I have suspicions on whether he's an Uchiha or not. I'm not saying he is or isn't. Just saying it hasn't been confirmed. --X29 21:44, August 2, 2012 (UTC)
There's no direct translation of Uchiha, is there? Not to mention it was translated directly into English, it doesn't mean 'something" flame battle encampment. It even has the same kanji, thus there's no questioning of it not being an Uchiha Clan technique. Speculating on a reason why would a non-Uchiha use Uchiha technique is speculating. There's more proof now than "we will see, no, etc."--Elveonora (talk) 22:30, August 2, 2012 (UTC)
So, just 'cause it's got Uchiha in it means it's an Uchiha clan Jutsu? Then, why isn't the Shadow Possession Jutsu called Nara Clan Shadow Possession Jutsu? Or why isn't the Fang Over Fang called Inuzuka Clan Fang Over Fang? --X29 22:40, August 2, 2012 (UTC)
Read again, there's no meaning of "Uchiha" with such kanji into English. The reason why the techniques weren't called Nara Clan Shadow Possession Technique and Inuzuka Clan Fang Over Fang Technique is simple, it's their signature so everyone knows only they can do that (being hiden) and it would be too long. There's no doubt for it to be an Uchiha technique, if that's a good enough proof for Tobi being one, then that's for the discussion. It's obvious that Kishi is giving a hints--Elveonora (talk) 23:00, August 2, 2012 (UTC)
Sighs I can continue this discussion, but that'd be such a drag. So, the same thing I said to......... Miss Uchiha (The username) will be said to you. If you think that what crawls is a bird and what flies is a reptile, I can't stop you. --X29 23:09, August 2, 2012 (UTC)
You don't have anything intelligent to say, that's why your answer is about reptile crap, twice. Give me a reason why would a non-Uchiha related technique have "Uchiha" in the naming with the same kanji--Elveonora (talk) 23:15, August 2, 2012 (UTC)
Language. And as I said, I could continue this discussion, but it'd be such a drag. Shikamaru once said something about arguments, which I have a different view of. To me, sometimes arguments are things that girls do. --X29 23:20, August 2, 2012 (UTC)
Enough with this goddamn discussion, we don't know if he's an Uchiha, and he has just as much chance of being one as he has of not being one. Listing him as an Uchiha means he is an Uchiha, not listing him as an Uchiha doesn't strictly mean he's not an Uchiha, it also says he's not revealed as an Uchiha, it leaves the door open for him being one while still being correct with what is known about him. If he is an actual Uchiha by blood when the mask falls, which thank God is soon, because there's only so much of this annihilated horse discussion I can take any more, we will freaking add it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 02:12, August 3, 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks, boss. Hope they get the picture now. --X29 02:15, August 3, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, Omni had to explain it better because I couldn't comprehend X29's bird and reptile analogy. Seriously :P I'm sorry that it has angered you, just a convo why there's "Uchiha" in Tobi's barrier technique... well, see ya in 2-3 weeks.--Elveonora (talk) 02:48, August 3, 2012 (UTC)
Tobi calls himself an Uchiha in chapter 590. We can't take his word for it? Racht 00:26, August 7, 2012 (UTC)
Since Tobi is going to be revealed soon, the decision was made to wait. But if he turns out to be an Uchiha, I will let Cerez and Omni eat their stubbornness :O--Elveonora (talk) 00:57, August 7, 2012 (UTC)
We have very valid reasons not to believe everything Tobi says. While there are several events that we came to know through him giving them exposition, the topic of his own identity was always something he either lied about, or was very private with. And regarding chapter 590, Tobi was already using Madara's identity, even in secret. When Itachi and Sasuke's discussed the massacre before the fight in which Itachi died, Itachi identified the man as Madara. Either Itachi played along with Tobi, or, as is more likely, he was also fooled by Tobi, who himself said he managed to keep secrets from Itachi. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:39, August 7, 2012 (UTC)
Don't really think there's anything I'll "eat" from Tobi being an Uchiha, I'll be satisfied knowing I followed the wiki's protocol. If we were to believe any recent cases of Tobi calling himself an Uchiha then we should just remerge his article with Madara's because that's the guise he was under when he said those things.--Cerez365™(talk) 11:23, August 7, 2012 (UTC)
Omni, again you know that Tobi didn't introduce himself as Madara to Itachi. Unless you meant that he did to Kisame before meeting Itachi. Also my opinion only, Itachi lied to Sasuke because he wanted him to kill "Madara" and avenge the Uchiha by doing so. That's why he agreed that "Madara" indeed did help to kill the clan as well + the "greatest Uchiha" talk by taking Sasuke's eyes was also to motivate Sasuke to gain power to defeat "Madara" but not that way, because Sasuke originally said that he has his own way etc. @Dear friend Cerez, it's not about instances when he spoke of himself as Madara, it's about:
- Uchiha robes
- Knowledge about more or less Uchiha related&exclusive stuff from long ago to recent, secret tablet included.
- A technique with Uchiha in it
- Uchiha Madara-level-like feats and power
- Hatred for Konoha
- Plant Hashi Clone
- Obsession with eyes
- His appearance, hair IDENTICAL to Uchiha Madara (during Kisame instance) and possibly face similar to Madara (2nd Kisame instance) unless it indeed was the real Madara the first time there
- If it wasn't for the revelation of the real Madara had been dead as has been revived by Edo, thus Tobi being fake... 90% of the fanbase had no doubt about the man being stating who he is.
Even though we will wait, IMO I think it would be much less speculative to accept him as an Uchiha than to think he might be from some other "x clan" or Ramen Guy or E.T. AND "oh, he still might be Madara's clone or somehow Madara" I disagree, because his dialogue, behavior, style, personality are different from Madara's.
So if it wasn't for some "protocol" and if I was an admin, I would add and list him as the most probable and least speculative case, the obvious.--Elveonora (talk) 18:04, August 7, 2012 (UTC)
Not worthy a new topic, but doesn't Naruto the movie: Road to Ninja confirm that Tobi is indeed an Uchiha since Menma, after merging with Tobi's "ghost" received one?--Elveonora (talk) 21:29, August 7, 2012 (UTC)
No. For all we know, he could have an implanted Sharingan and the result would have been the same. This could turn out to be simply another instance of someone displaying the Sharingan due to being under its influence, like Kurama and Manda have been in the past. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:04, August 7, 2012 (UTC)
It's not implanted, "Narubi" actually uses the Sharingan on Naruto, so I wouldn't compare it to a reflection by an influence--Elveonora (talk) 22:24, August 7, 2012 (UTC)
I'd suggest you stick to the fact that he's called himself an Uchiha. It's a much better basis to work off than that list you provided. Firstly, nowhere on this wiki will you find stuff that is presumed speculation to the level of Tobi's identity. The only thing coming close to that is Tsunade's nature transformation and that had to have a databook entry before it was listed as presumed, I fear that if some of you guys were actually admins the wiki would become overrun with speculation and other needle-maybe I should stop here. Now for la lista:
- Robes - so if Guy during this fight goes and puts on armour with the Senju symbol, he's a Senju? Because blood doesn't matter, it's the clothes you wear. Orrr maybe Tobi should've teleported, changed his clothes and come back when it was revealed to him that they knew he wasn't Madara?
- What basis are you judging that this stuff is "exclusive"? They're a famous clan with their history well recorded. Also, Tobi and Madara know each other and are/were obviously working together
- Hatred for Konoha- ok? Unmo Samidare also hated Konoha a great deal. You don't seem to understand how hated the five nations are
- Again, Tobi and Madara... know each other. How else did he get Hashirama's DNA? Unless you're going to go on to say Hashirama fought two Madaras...
- A lot of people covet dōjutsu, Orochimaru was also obsessed with the Sharingan. Also how the fart does that obsession point to him being an Uchiha?
- Really? I thought Madara's hair was long... I believe i already brought up the fact that the two probably look alike... possibly
I'm not pointing out all these things to say that no, tobi is not an Uchiha, but the fact that I can find so many reasons to counter your suggestions on why he is alone, is reason enough not to add him as such. When you can come up with conclusive proof and say <ref>''Naruto'' chapter x, page x</ref> says he's an Uchiha (which will come up in the future) and nobody can say nay to it, then by all means he'll be added as such.--Cerez365™(talk) 23:55, August 7, 2012 (UTC)
- One has to have a hell good reason enough to wear clothes with a family's crest on it, you didn't answer the Uchiha in a technique one. Don't tell me Madara taught him that.
He didn't need Uchiha clothes to have Minato think he is fighting Madara himself, he didn't need them to convince and deceive Itachi, he didn't need them to prove Onoki "I'm Madara", to a person that had fought the real one.
- Tell me how many people have any knowledge of Izuna, I'm yet to see any mention of him by any other person than Madara, Tobi and Itachi.
The So6p's tablet is a guarded secret by the clan. We don't know their relationship/connection yet, but according to Kishimoto himself, there's one. I wouldn't reveal my clan's secrets to an Inuzuka.
- Tobi is obsessed with destruction of Konoha, even proclaiming how long he had waited for "that moment" and turning Sasuke into a Konoha hater.
- Speculation, the real Madara might not even be aware that there's some Hashi plant clone underground or some shit.
- "The true power of the Sharingan… this is Madara Uchiha's power!"
- I meant that the man (presumed to had been Tobi) that have controlled Yagura had at that time IDENTICAL hair to Uchiha Madara, like copy and paste.
- Tobi's ghost possessing Menma in Naruto road to ninja, the latter gaining a Sharingan.
Before you say: "movies aren't canon" the concept still apply to manga as it's Kishi's work.--Elveonora (talk) 00:37, August 8, 2012 (UTC)
- When Tobi left Mountain Graveyard, he was still "Madara" no? I asked whether or not he should've gone home to change his clothes when he was fond out? As for the technique, I could just tell you that it's possible that it's not hidden and Tobi copied it or learnt it some other way, but we all know why Kishimoto made him use it, simple art of troll.
- When has the situation called for mention of Izuna, who died before the founding of villages? It's not as though he's obscured, Madara mentioned him to the Kage and no one went "who dat?"
- Yes, so secret that Kabuto and Orochimaru had a possible peek at it? Remember that the compound lays abandoned now.
- He said all of those things as Madara no? It could have been a farce just as easily as it could be true.
- It is true he might not be aware of the plant, but where would Tobi have gotten the DNA from? That'd only lead to even more speculation.
- ?
- Mmk
- What does Menma have to do with any of this? --Cerez365™(talk) 10:11, August 8, 2012 (UTC)
Jutsu List
Any objections to adding Manipulating Windmill Triple Blades and Manipulated Shuriken Technique to the jutsu list? The Uchiha are credited with creating them right? Arrancar79 (talk) 16:18, September 7, 2012 (UTC)
- bump Arrancar79 (talk) 19:52, September 7, 2012 (UTC)
- Can you find a source that says the Uchiha created it? Because the names are different than what was given in the manga. For the first technique, it says the Sharingan would be required to read the opponent's movements and the latter just sounds like an expert could perform it. But, if there are sources, sure.--Cerez365™(talk) 20:03, September 7, 2012 (UTC)
- I was basing it off the page. In the Abilities section it says, "They themselves invented many shuriken move sets which required the use of thin metal wires, one example being the Windmill Triple Blades technique." My guess was that information came from a databook. If there really isn't a source for what's in the article I couldn't say. I don't have the resources to check. Arrancar79 (talk) 00:20, September 8, 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, as far as Manipulated Shuriken Technique I only ask cause it's listed as the parent jutsu and Sasuke was the only one to use it out side of an anime filler. Arrancar79 (talk) 18:09, September 9, 2012 (UTC)
Should we also add izanagi and izanami to the Uchiha clan dojutsu list as well? The reason why i ask is because since the sharingan is originated from the uchiha clan then izanagi and izanami should be listed because one needs a sharingan to bring forth these 2 techniques.--Naruto6paths (talk) 15:06, October 24, 2012 (UTC)
- That is for non-Sharingan techniques. Those two are listed in the Sharingan article. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:15, October 24, 2012 (UTC)
Where was it discussed to add Fire Release: Great Dragon Fire Technique, Fire Release: Dragon Flame Release Song Technique, Fire Release: Phoenix Sage Fire Technique, and Fire Release: Phoenix Sage Flower Nail Crimson? Aside from Uchiha characters using those jutsu I don't see that they are exclusive to or created by the Uchiha in their articles. Arrancar79 (talk) 23:46, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
- ^Bump Arrancar79 (talk) 21:40, January 10, 2013 (UTC)
- No idea why they were added in the first place. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:04, January 10, 2013 (UTC)
Stupid Mistake
I was reverting an anon's vandalism and Firefox deleted the entire page. I'm so sorry and now I can't revert back my edit. Stupid move, I am sorry. Can someone please revert my stupid mistake? --KiumaruHamachi (talk) 21:23, September 23, 2012 (UTC)KiumaruHamachi
The uchiha curse
Shouldn't we mention the full story behind their curse and also explain the way they awaken their sharingan .I mean the second hokage has already explained in the manga that whene they lose a person they care about, their brains ejects a special chakra that changes their eyes (turns to a sharingan) so shouldn't we give a mention to that.--Charmanking2198 (talk) 18:02, February 8, 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, Curse of Hatred in short: If an Uchiha loves but loses it or gets otherwise butthurt, he attains power but loses sanity in return--Elveonora (talk) 18:22, February 8, 2013 (UTC)
Yes i know , but if we can just mention the part where their brain ejects the chakra and everything cuz the way it is described in the article right now is kinda cryptic and insignificant? i guess... so i just hoped we would explain more about how the uchiha awaken their sharingan.--Charmanking2198 (talk) 14:28, February 9, 2013 (UTC)


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The AnandTech Podcast: Episode 3by Anand Lal Shimpi on 9/3/2012 11:12 PM EST
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tom1l21 - Monday, September 03, 2012 - linkKeep up the great work guys, really digging these podcasts so far. Reply
gradjoh - Tuesday, September 04, 2012 - linkA good start and fills an important void, but so far it seems to be mostly a very long monologue by Anand. It is a shame to have three people on the podcast without any real interaction. Also, these should be much shorter, ideally less than an hour. For example you could break it up into 2 shorter episodes per week. Also, the authors should take turns introducing news items, that makes the speakers more equal, rather than Anand getting to introduce every topic and the others left to comment. It probably doesn't help that you are not all in the same room, but if you listen to the Java Posse for example, they make it work, even when they are not in the same room. In any case, I'll keep listening because it is hard to find this content anywhere else and thanks for putting this together. Reply
dishayu - Wednesday, September 05, 2012 - linkThe length is perfect, IMO. It doesn't feel rushed or streched. 1:45 is good for me, personally. Reply
Tegeril - Wednesday, September 05, 2012 - linkDisagree, the length is perfect, don't shorten it. I don't understand the drive to request shorter podcasts that always seems to sneak into early discussion about a newly created one. Just listen to half and come back to the other half later :) Reply
GrizzledYoungMan - Wednesday, September 05, 2012 - linkYeah, I'm with you. The length is ideal, gives them time to get nerdy and dig in, which I really like. Reply
repoman27 - Tuesday, September 04, 2012 - linkI was initially put off when I saw the length of these podcasts, but once I started listening, I was completely hooked. It's also entertaining to now be able to associate your voices with your written articles. Strong work.
Regarding the section of the podcast where you discuss the trend of online tech journalists regurgitating unsubstantiated posts from some corner of the Internet until the whole world is convinced they are true, it is very clear that Anandtech strives to do things differently and shares an overwhelming amount of empirical data generated in-house. This is one of the primary reasons I keep coming back. However, in podcast #2 you helped to propagate the latest inaccurate story about Thunderbolt—that the Apple Thunderbolt to Gigabit Ethernet Adapter doesn't actually contain a Thunderbolt controller.
It was interesting to hear you discuss the implications of this being true, because if it were, it complicates the Thunderbolt model considerably. It bothered me enough that I decided to find out for myself, after all, these adapters are only $29. Anyway, there is indeed a DSL2210 Port Ridge controller in the Thunderbolt connector end of the adapter. At 6x5 mm, Hardmac just didn't notice it when they did their teardown, yet conclusions based on their incomplete findings are now available on tech sites everywhere... Sort of like NFC in the next iPhone.
Here's a gallery of a teardown of the newer Apple Thunderbolt to FireWire Adapter: http://imgur.com/a/cbx9T Reply
QuesoLoco - Tuesday, September 04, 2012 - linkThe sound quality for this one is the best yet.
Whatever you did to get rid of the static and voice fading, keep doing that! Reply
jibberegg - Tuesday, September 04, 2012 - linkThanks for these podcasts guys, they really are a lot of fun to listen to. The free form style of just riffing off a few topics works really well. Looking forward to your thesis on the trouble with the tech news echo chamber in the not too distant future :) Reply
EnzoFX - Tuesday, September 04, 2012 - linkIn regards to the future of OEMs, maybe it can be analogous to what you see in the car industry. While most manufacturers are fully vertically integrated, there is still room for flexibility. (Which is a model consumers have accepted, since forever, so sadly, dumping your laptop instead of upgrading is more likely, as it is consumer-driven in the purest sense).
You have your high end, which would be those at the forefront of this pc device-ification. While most others are also vertically integrated, there is more grey areas. Cars often share chassis with others, they sell designs, etc. This could be where the Nexus design comes in, and others still tweak to their own designs.
Or perhaps those that don't integrate vertically will fill more of the "generic" space of manufacturers. Maybe they can fill the role of a Kia or Hyundai =P. They will be there more to undercut, for the same features? Reply
donopj2 - Tuesday, September 04, 2012 - linkMentioning the comment about the Battery Fairy made this podcast Reply
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Peanutsrevenge - Tuesday, September 04, 2012 - linkCheck this offer on top SSDs
Friend already had a 120 in his new rig, ended up ordering another given the price and may get one more. Reply
CyborgTMT - Tuesday, September 04, 2012 - linkJust wanted to throw out my usage model for my V.Raptor in my system. I run 2 intel SSDs, one for the OS and the other for mostly games. I also have a 2 TB drive for storage. My V.Raptor (300gb drive) is used for primarily anything I don't want to waste cycles on my SSD but still need more speed that the storage drive offers. Video and audio converting, less frequently used programs, and files I transfer between this pc and other devices are generally loaded on it. Reply
dishayu - Wednesday, September 05, 2012 - linkGood episode. The sound issues have been resolved as well, i see. Liked the part about NFC very much.
I would love to hear someone on the staff go on an extended rant on Apple's patent trolling as well. Although it won't bode too well with Apple if you do it on record, perhaps? Reply
Kevin G - Wednesday, September 05, 2012 - linkI really liked the discussion of SoC's and OEM's but multiple times you guys held back some thoughts because you felt you were being too speculative. Don't. It is good to get some insight to where you think things will go and the reasons you think they will as long as you properly label as your own predictions. Also don't be afraid to stick your neck out about predicting the future out of fear that you'll be wrong. It is the future, no one knows what is going to happen but find some pride in things you got right.
Also I wish there was a bit more about Hot Chips with other big iron chips, mainly the POWER7+ and the new SPARC chips.
I like the bit about storage, hard drives and SSD. You guys danced around the idea of SSD caching, speed vs. capacity but didn't touch the key feature missing from bringing all of this together for consumers: a new mainstream file system. The server space has ZFS and a new file system introduced in Windows 2012 but consumers are still stuck with NTFS and HFS+ for the decade.
I look forward to more of these. I'd like to throw out the suggestion of what you feel would make the ultimate motherboard or the ultimate video card and compare that to what you see on the market today. Maybe throw out a few ideas for niche products you'd like to see. Reply
GrizzledYoungMan - Wednesday, September 05, 2012 - linkSeriously, best tech podcast out there. Buttery smooth and thoughtful.
Wow, we sound like bots. Reply
boshi - Wednesday, September 05, 2012 - linkI like how the Anandtech team are willing to jump into the technical details, such as the iPhone screen rumors and how it would likely be implemented. Keep it up! Reply
Meaker10 - Thursday, September 06, 2012 - linkWas £43 inc vat delivered actually (free delivery for forum members) Reply
Saruji - Friday, September 07, 2012 - linkThe URL for this podcast is http://www.anandtech.com/rss/podcast
In case anyone else was looking for it, to add to their players Reply
Saruji - Friday, September 07, 2012 - linkOps, it is
http://www.anandtech.com/rss/podcastm4a Reply
Gibson12345 - Friday, September 07, 2012 - linkThese podcasts are great. I love the length and subject matter.
Tell Ian to talk more! It's obvious he's super bright and has insightful things to add, but he's far too polite to interject. Reply
kahwaji_n - Friday, September 07, 2012 - linkFinally an interesting tech podcast ,keep up the good job guys :) Reply