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ATI RD580: Dual x16 Crossfire Previewby Wesley Fink on 11/16/2005 3:00 AM EST
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aepurniet - Friday, January 27, 2006 - linkall these crossfire motherboards (480 / upcoming 580), look like they are gonna only support one processor. is there ever gonna be a dual processor crossfire enabled motherboard? ive been holding out on a puny laptop for a while, but it looks like im not going to be running crossfire anytime soon. my plan was to get tyan 2895, dual 7800gtx's. the x1900 looks like a good competitor but might sit all alone in that box, with having the chance of its crossfire brother ever dropping by. Reply
Wesley Fink - Friday, November 18, 2005 - linkA reader has sent me links to press releases that show ULi pioneered HD Audio on the AMD Athlon 64. We made a couple of corrections in the article to reflect that information. Reply
Clauzii - Thursday, November 17, 2005 - linkMan - it´s amazing to see how many can get over xited of a preview .. Geeeeezzzzzz.
Nice preview and then we aaallll wait for the card to settle to market and in january the world will change! Reply
Kiwi - Monday, March 06, 2006 - linkWhat strikes me about all of this is that it's now March, and some actual MB's are in the market with 939 sockets, but the article about the release version of the Chip Set, now named "Express 3200" can't seem to get out of Purgatory.
I think that I've seen the article posted three times over the past month, but it is always removed again in less than a single day. I wonder what the problem is? Anything to do with a majority of MB makers holding off to use the new chip sets with AM2 sockets instead of 754/ 939?
tajoh111 - Thursday, November 17, 2005 - linkI have a ati card in my laptop, my desktop, even my pocket pc. Heck even my gamecube has a Ati card in it. The only nvidia product I own is in my xbox and thats it.
I just believe ATI should be punished for their idiocy this year.
- Lack of products.Besides the 1800XL what have they brought to the table.
- Lack of availiblity(out of stock).
- Lack of warrenty.
- There only competent product that beats nvidia in any sense, is the GTO2, and even that is a result of their idiocy, to improperly lock pipelines.
- A inferior product at every pricepoint.
Midrange 800 xl nvidia 6800 gs, 1800xl, 7800gt, and 1800xt, 7800 512 gtx.
ATi just has an excuse for everything and anandtech just believe it all. Like the lack of the ATI cards is because of memory(bull), or the performance problems are a result of immmature drivers(shouldn't a product in development for the longest time have decent driver, rather then a buy now fix later idea).
Really those now, Wes, it not like we have to shop around for a 450 dollars 7800 gtx. Pretty much everyones sells the evga for 450.
Which offers a lifetime warrenty and the a step up program.
With the 1800 xt, you get a slightly better performing product, that uses lots more power and produces alot more sounnd. Could you imagine a crossfire 1800xt, you probaly grow mentally deaf in the process. Which cost you 150 dollars more. With a one year warrenty.
Atleast with the 7800 gtx 512, which cost a hundred dollars more right now you get a much better warrenty(In my opinion worth the hundred dollars), more power usange(arguable as tomshardware got lower energy usage), definitely more quieter and most importantly braggin rights to the fastest card on the market.
I believe people should stop buying ati products this years, to let ati know that they can't pulled the crap they did on people this year. So like a cornered dog, Ati has to fight for their survival or perish.
p.s Anandtech should mention in there videocards buyer guide, the presence of a 1 year warrenty from ati build cards. Especially at the lower price levels where performance is just as important as reliability and customer care. Reply
Wesley Fink - Thursday, November 17, 2005 - linkI fully understand your angst regarding ATI Video solutions (or lack thereof) this year. However, I do believe the ATI chipsets for AMD to be excellent introductions this year. Availability of motherboards with ATI chipsets has been a problem, but that has not been because of availability. ATI chipsets have been readily available, but as a new AMD player it has taken time to convince manufacturers to build high-end boards with ATI chipsets. A south bridge without problems would also have been a huge help, but that is also changing as the ULi M1575 is finally shipping.
gamara - Thursday, November 17, 2005 - linkSo was there a date for the x1800 Phantom Edition that would compete with the 7800GTX 512? I like the competition, as it makes the Nvidia board I buy in the future better as well, but I do have to agree this came off as ATI Fanboy. Was the IP the 7800GTX? Did ATI hold back the x1800xt until they had enough chips that would ramp fast enough to beat it?
I checked NewEgg, ZipZoomFly and AllstarShop. The only one that had x1800xt's was Allstarshop which was selling them at 680 and 700. They had a 7800GTX 512 for 799. Go figure they are the only one with stock. At 'retail' price points, it looks like both are the XT and GTX are short stock. ATI's x1XXX release has been a bunch of smoke and mirrors on the consumer end while Nvidia has actually had stock on shelves. A friend bought a 7800GTX and loves having a card he can actually put in his system. It runs games pretty well too.
3DC - Thursday, November 17, 2005 - linkIt just seems ironic how after the 7800GTX 512Mb launches we see this ATI preview. ATI must of said, "Hey Anandtech, can you run this preview for us so it looks like we are still around". The fact you don't use any results but say it's faster then a 256Mb SLI setup and then casually say, "Oh the 512Mb version still beats it" seems to me you didn't want to make the article 100% pro ATI. Even though I assume ATI wanted to show your viewers what they have up their sleeve.
Seems to be a shady article enticing people NOT to by a 7800GTX 256Mb. Instead of a preview I get a ATI PR driven advertisement on their up and up and up and up coming products that no one knows will see the light of day. Reply
allnighter - Thursday, November 17, 2005 - linkFirst of all I'm not against ATi, any of their products or pre/reviews of those at AT at all. Quite the contrary. Second, as I clearly pointed out, I did not doubt Wesley's or any other AT editor's competence, again quite the contrary. I am using plain common sense and am doubting that any company will send a run-of-the-mill engineering sample for preview to Anandtech, without tweaking the board to achieve the best possible perf in order to present itself in the best of light. Not that there is anything wrong with that but my point is - remember the "Bullhead" (another ATi mobo mind you). I'm trying to dig out that piece but I think I don't have the time for it right now. Long story short it was to be an nForce killer and the ultimate enthusiast board yet today, when you can actually buy one, not even ATi considers it enthusiast level, more a value board if anything else.
Again, I'm not doubting Wesley's competence to put together a quality review set-up or run a battery of quality tests but how can you really know that the board in your hands is not on steroids but simply a great design. Again, not so long ago there was an overclocking extravaganza thrown up by ATi, where iirc they were introing the x850 (someone correct me if I'm wrong please, might have been a different card, my memory isn't perfect) where they had a guy literally hand tuning bios'es on the spot for people yet "Bullhead" failed to yield earth shattering results.
And since I'm being given a lesson in semantics - well sure every article is a "pr piece" in essence. However my perception of my fellow AT readers was always that majority of us are the actual computer enthusiast that pay attention to more things than just company names, so unless something has dramatically changed (the structure of AT readers or editor's opinions about those readers)I think statements of "...but just wait 'till such & such pulls out the ace out of their sleeve.." is a type of sensationalism I'm unwilling to accept from AT. We have Inquirer for that.
Artuk - Thursday, November 17, 2005 - linkI hope that the vendors will create a layout that allows at least one regular PCI slot to be used. With a pair of two slot cards in crossfire, I dont think I could get my x-fi into a board laid out like the reference design. The nforce sli and crossfire boards I have seen from this generation havent given much thought to paired two slot graphics cards.
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yacoub - Thursday, November 17, 2005 - link
We then ran all the same tests in single video mode, comparing a single X1800XT on the ATI RD480 to a single 7800GTX on the Asus A8N32-SLI. ... Once again the ATI X1800XT on the RD580 was the winner in every benchmark.
Which chipset is it? Reply
Wesley Fink - Thursday, November 17, 2005 - linkCorrected. Unfortunately, spellchecks don't catch a misplaced 4. The tested ATI chipset is the RD580. Reply
tajoh111 - Thursday, November 17, 2005 - linkIts terrible how anandtech looked like they were paid almost by ATI to do this article. They took known facts and known rumours and molded them to that would best suit ATI. This was done in a almost fanboyish manner in this regard.
They changed and modified price details, to best suit ati's interest. We all know that ATI 1800xt's are 600 dollars, but we also know that 7800gtx 256 for the most part beside the most expensive overclocked versions are 450 dollars not the 499 that anandtech suggested.
Yes the prices of the gtx 512's are 700 dollars, but the suggested retail is 650. Note we get these 512 gtx cards for 640 USA in canada.
So basically anandtech took the manufacture suggested prices and the street prices and painted an inaccurate and favourable picture for Ati.
They also did this for the competition part. Ati also said that they released the cards to compete with the 256mg 7800 gtx, how is it supposed to be compared to this when it is 150 dollars more expensive than the competition, and is 5 months newer in the technology cycle. On the other hand the GTX 512 was released in week of each other, with a suggested retail price difference of 50 dollars. Not to mention warrenty.
Nvidia also released this card to do battle with the 1800 xt, not the phantom 1800xt PE which is not availible. SO why is anandtech believeing ATI in this manner. Is it because ATI has made it clear... blah blah, we are going to release this PE product that not availible and we all know will be in lottery rare quantities.
I don't believe any of this competition stuff that anandtech suggest as good for the industry when ATi's showing this year has been poor. They should be punished and forced like a dog to earn the publics trust in there company.
Anything below the 1800 series is still unavailible, the 1800 xl is still more expensive then the Gt and arguably a worse performer, and the Current 1800 xt flagship product is slower than nvidias. THe worst crime I find still those is the 1 year warrenty offered from ati. I find this unforgivable. This makes any ati product a poor purchase. The consumer has a right to be treated with respect not just superior products.
ATI should be gouged this year until they produce competitive products and restore their warrenty from 3 years or to match much on the nvidias card lifetime. If they are not punished and swayed from this inferiority, they will become an abomination of a company. Reply
nVestor - Thursday, November 17, 2005 - linkSadly, I agree with most of what you have mentioned. How can ATi/AnandTech begin to sell me on RD580/Crossfire X1800XT when I haven't been sold on Rx480/482/Crossfire X1800XT yet?
Then to find this RD580/Crossfire X1800XT was compared to the 7800GTX 256MB SLi? Price points aside, though isn't a 512MB card suppose to be compared to a 512MB card?
Derek Wilson is our GPU guy and Wesley is our Chipset/Motherboard guy. The 7800 GTX 512MB just launched Monday. I can guarantee that Wes was well along in benchmarks (probably even done!) before Derek has numbers for the new NVIDIA card. Read the article closely: it states that the X1800XT/Crossfire beats 7800GTX/SLI in every test run. However, 7800GTX 512MB/SLI would probably come out on top still.
If that's the case, I assume Rx480/482/Crossfire X1800XT result would probably be even lower than the RD580/Crossfire X1800XT when pitted against the 7800GTX 512MB/SLi?
If you're an NVIDIA diehard, you probably won't care, but the ATI fans are probably glad to hear that there's a light at the end of the tunnel.
That might be the case for ATi Fans, though I believe they don't take to kindly to deception/trickery either like rest of us. Reply
Wesley Fink - Thursday, November 17, 2005 - linkYou use MSRP's when it suits your argument and street prices when those suit your point. The MSRP of the X1800XT and 7800GTX are the same at $599 - check the 7800GTX launch reviews if you doubt that point. X1800XT have beens selling for a week and are selling for retail at $599. 7800GTX has been selling since late June and a search of our Price Engine shows a price range of $449 to $599 selling price for the 7800GTX, with a check of etailers showing most cards around $499. The 7800GTX 512 has a MSRP of $649 but is selling for $699 at every e-tailer in our Price Engine.
From our June 22nd 7800GTX launch review, p.1 "The GeForce 7800 GTX will cost a solid $600. Of course, we do expect retailers to charge a premium for the early adopters. Prices we are seeing at launch are on the order of $650."
The prices fpr today's new stuff, both the X1800XT and the 7800GTX 512, will likely drop over time just as the 7800GTX prices have dropped. Today the 7800GTX is clearly the best high-end value, particularly if you shop a little for the $450 to $460 cards. We can only speculate about tomorrow.
It is impossible to debate with a fan - or most nVidia or ATI PR departments. Reply
Powermoloch - Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - linkI don't see why people start bashing ATi after reading this article. I find it ironic that people are willing to spend $200 more on a dual card setup on Nvidia (2x512 7800GTX) while it is likely that the 2 x X1800XT "only" shows better performance according to AT. My belief that competition is healthy, this gives more variety of products for the end-user of all kinds to choose from. And this kind of competition will likely spark new technology, drive down prices (maybe rise up too), and also people can claim themselves as ATi or Nvidia and still be happy for what they get (maybe).
Other than that, this is good news for the PC enthusiasts. Why have a fuss about it? Reply
Aquila76 - Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - linkIt may be a great performer, but that is the fugliest board layout I have EVER seen, and the color scheme rivals only the McDonald's-themed Jetway. If I had a windowed case, I'd put up curtains to hide that thing. Reply
3DC - Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - linkWhy didn't you compare it to a 512MB 7800GTX setup? Is it because ATI told you not too? Another thing you mention price point comparison. Well it's actually cheaper to compare it to a 512Mb 7800GTX SLI setup then to a 256Mb 7800GTX SLI setup.
Plus if you tack on the price of the RD580 motherboard and then you are putting the Crossfire setup more and more comparable to the 512MB 7800GTX SLI system. Considering everyone and their mothers own a SLI nForce board for their AMD CPU.
It seems ATI didn't want you to use the 512Mb cards, because according to them it's not the card they are going after. Plus to tack on you saying ATI beats NVIDIA in all of the benchmarks is a little premature don't ya think?
This preview sounded more like a ATI PR Announcement... Reply
JarredWalton - Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - linkDerek Wilson is our GPU guy and Wesley is our Chipset/Motherboard guy. The 7800 GTX 512MB just launched Monday. I can guarantee that Wes was well along in benchmarks (probably even done!) before Derek has numbers for the new NVIDIA card. Read the article closely: it states that the X1800XT/Crossfire beats 7800GTX/SLI in every test run. However, 7800GTX 512MB/SLI would probably come out on top still.
Looking at prices of the X1800XL - they're selling below MSRP and are only slightly more expensive than the 7800GT - we can guess that X1800XT prices will drop over the next month or two. The price of the new NVIDIA 512MB cards will also drop, of course, but they will likely continue to cost ~$100 more than X1800XT.
As for this being a PR piece, *every* article written is essentially PR. There's no such thing as a bad review from the marketing standpoint - many people won't read the reviews, but they'll still see the company names! However, that doesn't mean we're intentionally playing favorites. ATI's X1800XT is a fast card, and in Crossfire it should be very competitive with 7800GTX. If you're an NVIDIA diehard, you probably won't care, but the ATI fans are probably glad to hear that there's a light at the end of the tunnel. Reply
3DC - Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - linkI think the article should be a little clearer in differentiating between the 7800 GTX 256Mb and the 512Mb card. Just a little FYI, I think it's time to add the 256Mb moniker to the end of the 7800 GTX so we all know which card you are talking about. Reply
JarredWalton - Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - linkIt would have been a heck of a lot easier to differentiate the cards if NVIDIA had gone and named the 512MB card the "Ultra" like everyone was expecting. *Grumble* ;) Reply
shabby - Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - linkWhere is this $499 x1800xt you speak of, is this the 256meg card by any chance?
If it is, then i dont see anyone buying it since for 50 bucks more *cough* you can get the 512meg one. Reply
Wesley Fink - Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - linkNo one said there was a $499 X1800XY yet, as in the first wave the past week everyone was selling at $599 suggested retail price. The MSRP of the nVidia 7800GTX is also $599, but it is selling at most places now for $499 - even less if you shop. My point was the price of the X1800XT will likely drop once the retail pipelines are filled - just as the 7800GTX prices have dropped the longer they are on the market. Reply
shabby - Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - linkMy bad, i read that as the $499 x1800xt.
Anyway while ati can believe the cheaper gtx is its competitor, its msrp doesnt suggest that unless they lower it.
Does ati also believe that the x1600xt is a competitor for the 6800gs? Same price right, but its half a slow. Reply
fxrron - Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - linkI couldn't agree more with allnighter. Companies tweak their product for weeks and send them to be reviewed. The reviews are worthless and a waste of time to read. I remember Falcon Northwest sent Tom's Hardware Guide a system to review. The 7800 GTX was overclocked alot and it would not even run the benchmarks. You can't order the same system so what good was the review in the first place. Spend your time reviewing retail products in the future.
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Wesley Fink - Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - linkThis was a PREVIEW, not a review, and I am still looking for the benchmarks you so roundly criticize - since there are no benchmarks in the preview. I have described relative performance that I personally found with my components on the ATI Manta board.
I can't speak of how other review sites test, but I can tell I used known processors, memory, hard drives, and 7800GTX cards in my preview tests. I also did all the setup myself to make sure everything was as fair as I could make it. I also ran ALL the benchmarks myself - side-by-side - with the nVidia and ATI boards and video cards. This was not a canned set of numbers, or a canned demo, these are results I personally found in 2 days of testing.
Last, the DFI Retail is performing exactly as I found in my review in the retail samples. I found 305 max, lower than the Reference Crossfire - and retail buyers are finding 295 to 310 max.
I have suggested that any manufacturer who wants to duplicate ATI Reference results should copy the Reference Board, and other review sites have also said the same thing. Eventually someone will actually copy an excellent ATI Reference Design, and when they do buyers will do even better in performance than I have achieved in the AT reviews. The ATI Reference boards are not tweaked to oblivion - it's just the designs are that good. Reply
DigitalFreak - Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - linkFirst - ATI is not the only chipset maker with HD Audio support for AMD. Nvidia has this as well with the 410/430 southbridges.
Second - "However, ATI clearly believes the competitor for X1800XT is the $499 7800GTX and not the $700 7800GTX 512MB."
Boy, does ATI need to get a clue. X1800XT cards are currently going for $599, while the 7800GTX boards are in the $450 range. Why would I want to spend $149 more for a card that performs slightly better. Reply
Wesley Fink - Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - linkWhen 7800GTX launched they were $600 or more, but they have dropped to around $499 at most e-tailers and you can find them even cheaper if you shop carefully. The X1800XT shipped first wave last week and instantly sold out. Prices will drop as soon as the supply line is filled - just like the 7800GTX. Reply
Wesley Fink - Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - linkHD Azalia audio is just an option on the high-end versions of the nVidia integrated chipset, which have just started shipping. You also have to buy a high-end integrated video micro ATX board to get an nVidia HD audio solution, as this option is not available on any nForce4, SLI, or SLI Dual x16 board. Reply
haelduksf - Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - linkThanks guys, way to tease me!
One question though; is there a big difference between x8 and x16 Crossfire? Can an RD480/482 owner expect similar Crossfire performance to an RD580? Reply
allnighter - Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - linkI believe I brought this up several times before and I'll say it again - I am personally bothered with AT's previews of reference boards. Why? Well simply because as far back as I can think it's always the same $hit. A hand tuned, tweaked to hell mobo pitted against the competing products, usually months before they go to retail and are actually available. That makes AT preview a pr piece that pretty much serves as a sales stopper against the competition regardless of which manufacturer is being reviewed. It's simply ridiculous to watch how those previewed boards always outshine the competition and show performance that barely translates into something we'll be able to experience, yet it's heralded as the best thing since sliced bread.
Although I must give props to Wesley for not including any comparison charts in today's preview 'cause that would really tick me off.
What ever happened to a good old technology preview? What ever happened to the good old "product taken out of the retail box" review?
I'm not doubting AT's (in this case Wesley's) credibility or competence but the very fact that the reference board is sent specifically for AT preview makes me doubt the results. Why? Well simply because we've seen that exact scenario numerous times. These boards should be clearly marked as "AT preview edition" rather than anything else.
So to end this little bitch session let me just say that I'll simply stop reading mobo previews at AT. Unless it clearly states it's a new mobo tech preview or has a brand and product name/code in the title of it - I'm not interested. Thank you.
allnighter - Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - linkI believe I brought this up several times before and I'll say it again - I am personally bothered with AT's previews of reference boards. Why? Well simply because as far back as I can think it's always the same $hit. A hand tuned, tweaked to hell mobo pitted against the competing products, usually months before they go to retail and are actually available. That makes AT preview a pr piece that pretty much serves as a sales stopper against the competition regardless of which manufacturer is being reviewed. It's simply ridiculous to watch how those previewed boards always outshine the competition and show performance that barely translates into something we'll be able to experience, yet it's heralded as the best thing since sliced bread.
Although I must give props to Wesley for not including any comparison charts in today's preview 'cause that would really tick me off.
What ever happened to a good old technology preview? What ever happened to the good old "product taken out of the retail box" review?
I'm not doubting AT's (in this case Wesley's) credibility or competence but the very fact that the reference board is sent specifically for AT preview makes me doubt the results. Why? Well simply because we've seen that exact scenario numerous times. These boards should be clearly marked as "AT preview edition" rather than anything else.
So to end this little bitch session let me just say that I'll simply stop reading mobo previews at AT. Unless it clearly states it's a new mobo tech preview or has a brand and product name/code in the title of it - I'm not interested. Thank you.
haelduksf - Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - linkI don't get it.
AT's preview of the Crossfire referance board was right on- performance was matched almost exactly by the DFI CF-DR. I personally would rather have the review as soon as possible, until waiting for the product to ship x units to y stores before even looking at it.
pyrosity - Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - linkIt's good to hear that the R580, at least, is still on track. It's taken ages, but I'm glad that AT got the whole R520 delay thing cleared up. It would be interesting to find out which third party screwed ATI up.
Personally, I'd be more interested in reading/hearing about the R530, as it should fit into my price range better than the supposed ubercard that R580 will likely be. Still good to get an update on that, though.
On the motherboard side of things, it's nice to read that the competition is stepping up at last. Reply
MDme - Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - linkmaybe it was MS that screwed things up for ATI since ATI must have used a lot of R&D for the R500 on the 360. remember that the PS3 is only using a 7800GTX at 90nm (presumably with a higher clock) ;p
i'm glad though that the r580 is "on time" because competition is good.
michal1980 - Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - linknvidia isn't the king of anything. but this is the pc world, things change and they change fast. crossifre is barely working on last years gpus, and thats just now, a year after nvidia.
geez u know if i keep waiting for the next round, then i'll have a 10ghz 8 core cpu, with a multi-core gpu, and a multi-core ppu, with a terabyte of ram, and hundreds of tb's of storage...
all i have to do is wait.
and wait.
and wait.
and wati
and ati = wait for us.
don't wait for a company play with the best now, then when the best changes buy that.
WaltC - Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - linkI've been having a ball since January of this year when I bought an AGP x800 xt. Nothing for me to be disappointed about.
I think some of the comments in this thread are funny...;) I mean, nV sends out some 7800GTX 512 reference cards to review sites--cards that, when available, will cost ~$800, and consist of little more than overvolted, overclocked 7x gpus and ram, requiring a gigantic heatsink--and some people complain that ATi sends out reference boards of its upcoming motherboards to those same websites who preview them.
Personally, I'm glad to see ATi getting so aggressive in the AMD, enthusiast's mboard markets, and could care less that they don't shove and push their products to market before they are ready. Rome wasn't built in a day, etc.
I can well understand the angst of people who rushed to market to buy the expensive nV products on the strength of the wrong-headed idea that ATi wasn't interested in competing within this market. If I'd been rash and made the same mistake I'd be pissed, too--but I guess I'd be upset more with myself than with anybody else.
There's just no substitute for patience, is there? It will be no trouble at all for me to wait until next year to buy a few new things. In the meantime I'll continue to enjoy the more-than-adequate gaming support the x800 xt has given me all year. I have zero complaints with it thus far. In fact, it may well be that I'm not even in a hurry next year to replace my current config.
bob661 - Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - link
quote:People complain about ATI "releasing" products with no actual product to buy. Nvidia's so-called "reference" board can be bought in stores for $749 on the day they launched it. Quite a bit of difference there bud. Reply
some people complain that ATi sends out reference boards
quasarsky - Thursday, November 17, 2005 - linkwell no difference really.
i can't afford that lol.
but my recent computer upgrading I WILL tell you what i can afford :) and bought :-D
$610 =
2 250 gig seagate sata 7200.8 harddrives $165
2x 1 gig of patriot red heatspreader ram 2.5-3-3-8 $175
ati all in wonder x800xt $275 (255 after rebate :-D)
and someone bought the 7800gtx 512 mb for $749 (a pun i know cause i spent $610 lol), and then lost their job, and couldn't pay their bills and their world fell apart LOL.
poohbear - Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - linkwell said mate, i love competition and really all this 7800 gtx 512mb doesnt do it for me, give me a card in the same performance group as a 6800GS/7800GS cause that's the stuff me and most ppl can afford. Reply
michal1980 - Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - linkati has been late for 2 years now. the 6800gt vs the 8xx series, the 6800 series out first.
with the 7800 series they got killed.
the promised crossfire last year... were only starting to see it work.. on boards that cost 2x that of nivdia entry level sli (they said theres would be cheaper) the said the x18xx series would be out months ago... well about 6 months later and ur finally starting to see the 1800xt..
there crossifre boards are still running with ethier the amputated southbridge, or a uli southbridge.
ati has lately given alot of promises, but not alot to play with.
oh and the big news that the 1800xt in cross fire can beat the 7800gtx(256) in crossfire. NO DUH. i mean it beats the 7800gtx in a single card test, so why would 2 magically be slower.
plus why are they so dumb. isn't there next grahpics card core the 580? now there next motherboard is a 580? WOW talk about confusion... or maybe they've lost there minds and the whole time we thought the 580 was the next gen card, but in fact its just another motherboards.
WOW ati... i owned your stuff, but right now your on the suckage path
a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
i can play with 7800gtx sli, or gtx512 sli. i can play with a 32lane motherboard (a8n32)...
i can only dream of ati xfire Reply
MDme - Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - linkI think the article was meant to show that ATI still has a fighting chance considering that the X1800XT exceeds the 7800GTX in ALL benchmarks (including nVidia strongholds like doom3 and quake4). Obviously it will also win in the SLI/CF tests. I think this is really quite some news in the ultra-highend segment where most enthusiasts play.
It also gives us the question of will the X1800XT PE beat the 7800GTX 512, head to head.
Now, if only ATI can actually get the products to the market before nVidia comes up with something faster.
Competition is good. If not for competition, we will still be typing on our AMD K6-III 700MHz with 512MB SDRAM and a GF2 with 64 mb VRAM. :) Reply
Megatomic - Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - linkWesley, do you know if ATI is planning to release an analogue to the NF4 Ultra, i.e. a high performance motherboard with only one slot for PCI-e graphics cards? Reply
Wesley Fink - Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - linkThe Sapphire "Grouper" we reviewed is on sale in Europe, buit it never made it to the US. It is also very expensive - more expensive than the Asus Crossfire whose review will post early next week. We are told there will likley be a couple of more "Grouper" boards, but we haven't seen them yet. MSI will release a full range of Crossfire chipset boards from full blown to basic - but we do not know yet which boards will reach the US and European markets. Reply
Megatomic - Thursday, November 17, 2005 - linkWell, I'd dearly love to see a highend RS580 mobo. I might even go for an RS480 if it ever gets paired with SB600. Reply
tuteja1986 - Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - linkI think ATI will take lead next year... This year was totally bad for them! just like NVIDIA had a bad year with Geforce 5800U.. Anyways ATI is good position for the future and we should see some great competition.
Jedi2155 - Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - linkIf it can beat the 7800 GTX in all tests then it certainly peaks my interest in the duo. Although if this is what they can do with their *failed* (my opinion) R520...just imagine the R580 :O. Reply
Cygni - Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - linkATI just seems a little late to the party with each of their releases, and then once finally officially launched, even later to actually get to market.
I wish em the best, but i dont even think the (possible) overclocking abilities and x16 Crossfire option will truly get people up to buy the board unless it dips into the $100 range that the SLI boards are now sitting in. Reply
n7 - Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - linkHawt!
The more competition, the better.
Also, i really do think that it's only a matter of time before the ATi chipset is superior to nVidia's offerings.
Now we just have to wait, something no one likes to do... Reply
Calin - Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - linkbecause the nVidia will develop new things for themselves. nVidia won't stay idle when ATI chipsets (graphic or otherwise) eat at their performance advantage Reply
Calin - Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - linkEven if the CrossFire boards will be more expensive than the SLI boards, there could be enough reasons to buy one. After all, at $100 or $150, the mainboard has a small share of the total price of a new computer or total upgrade (mainboard, processor and video card). With the very good performance now ATI shows with their newest graphic cards, people could choose a ATI graphic card for some or other gaming reasons, and prefer a ATI board.
I really hope to have more choice in the market, as this will drive down prices at all levels. Reply
VERTIGGO - Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - linkHowever, the price will drop, and we are talking about extreme high end equipment, which doesn't ultimately boil down to $50 advantages.
Considering this generation with respect to the last, however, the most important advances are the bold moves into OpenGL territory, and remembering how the last generation panned out, ATi wound up with the best single cards in the end. This time around, I'm willing to wait and see if they can pull it off in the dual card arena. Reply


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Mark Houck
Whats That Purple Building, Daddy?
Pornography has taken off with the advent of the Internet.
Now you can get streaming video and pictures of exploitive acts of all sexual natures and variety.
Viewing pornography can be addictive. It can also destroy your soul, not to mention your relationships with women and how you view women in general.
It is said that your eye is the window into your soul.
"The eye is the lamp of the body. So, if your eye is sound, your whole body will be full of light; but if your eye is not sound, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light in you is darkness, how great is the darkness! (Holy Gospel of Saint Matthew 6:22-23)
Then why do you view pornography?
A documentary film titled What's That Purple Building, Daddy? explores how pornography destroys souls, families, and this nations fabric of life. It also shows what you can do to fight this evil.
Former porn users, Mark Houck and Damian Wargo, co-founders of The King's Men, have taken steps to fight pornography by engaging in a strategy to close down Coyotes, a strip club in their own backyard. They succeeded! This inspirational video tells you how they went about it and outlines a plan of action for others to follow.
What's That Purple Building, Daddy? will give you a fresh insight into how pornography is affecting everyone in America, and how men can successfully fight against this evil in their own lives and in their communities.
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The King's Men is an organization for Men to (re)discover what it means to be a man, a real man, a Catholic man as well as a manly Catholic.
As men we lead and protect the family.
We need to be active in the life of the Church.
We need to learn more about our Catholic faith and much, much more.
In today's society and culture the role of men have been degraded, feminized, or ridiculed. Our roles as men have been degraded to eliminate 'gender bias' by militant secularist humanists. We have been feminized to the point of denying our natural gifts of being a leader, provider, and protector. And we have been ridiculed by being attacked as misogynists.
This has taken such a toll on our role as men, we have forgotten what it means to be a husband, father, and a leader in the Church.
Mark Houck and Damian Wargo of The King's Men apostolate explain this and much more in a 35 minute segment of EWTN's Life on the Rock.
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text: There are an impressive number of hotels in Ajmer, including everything from the big luxurious one to budget hotels. An increasing number of tourists come in with religious intents and thus there's been a sharp increase in the number of Ajmer hotels. Take your pick from any of the hotels in Ajmer, for most of the Ajmer hotels offer the basics for a comfortable stay experience. To ease it more for the travellers that come essentially to visit the shrine here, Ajmer also has a number of low budget inns in the main market area itself.


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April 2002 — By Capt.
Ken Kreisler
The Tao of Power
|Mystical and somewhat magical by nature, batteries require down-to-earth care for trouble-free operation.
What is this fascination we have with electricity? As kids we delighted in that little static spark as it jumped from our fingers to a friend's. And who hasn't been absolutely awed at the unleashed power of a massive thunderstorm's lightning flashes that can momentarily turn darkness into bright daylight?
Maybe it has something to do with the electrolytes coursing through our bodies that happen to have the same mineral proportions as sea water. Or that everything we do–whether it be walking, thinking, sleeping, eating–is controlled by biochemically produced electrical messages zipping along the synaptic wiring of our bodies.
Well, before I crawl too far out on some metaphysical limb, it's probably a good idea to secure my lines to a more solid, parallel-thinking dock that you can all get your bearings on: battery maintenance. Batteries form the core of your boat's electrical system. It all starts there, in that compartment where the two, four, eight, or however many of them you have aboard sit and wait patiently until called upon to unleash their power. Today's lead-acid and gel-cell batteries are efficient, well-designed, and precisely manufactured pieces of equipment that, if cared for in the proper way, will deliver trouble-free power for years. But to keep them working properly and ready to deliver the energy you need, regular maintenance is essential.
Battery maintenance is a year-round activity, and you need to pay careful attention to it whether your boat is in full-time operation, seasonally stored, or just out of the water for repairs or painting. With that in mind, let's begin by discussing battery storage.
If your boat was up on the hard for the winter season, you should have removed your batteries and stored them in a cool, dry place where the temperature never went below freezing or got too hot. (Heat is highly detrimental to a battery because the rate of corrosion, solubility of metal components, and self-discharge all increase with an increase in temperature.)
Next page > Power, Part 2 > Page 1, 2, 3, 4
This article originally appeared in the January 2003 issue of Power & Motoryacht magazine.


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Riding the 64-bit Chariot: Choosing Socket 939 and Linuxby Kristopher Kubicki on 7/19/2004 12:05 AM EST
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gherald - Wednesday, July 21, 2004 - linkMust be something wrong with firefox then, because I've tried disabled all popup protection to the point where I get a lot of ads at other sites, but still cannot open this comments page.
Even if it works perfectly for everyone else in the world, I still say it's stupid to have this in a popup.
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TrogdorJW - Tuesday, July 20, 2004 - link#21 - does the registry corrupt itself, or does the user cause the corruption, or is it spyware/virus/trojan related? I'm betting on the last more than the others. Of course, if you're constantly tweaking your setup, problems can occur, but that happens with ANY operating system. Hell, after getting XP configured and setup properly, I didn't need to do a reinstall for over two years, and the only reason I ended up reinstalling was when my motherboard died on me.
The only thing MS really needs to fix now is some of the default settings. Storing individual temp files for each user? Why would we actually want that? Setting aside 10% of your hard drive space for Temporary Internet Files (which are almost never used), and another 10% for System Restore!? That's stupid. If you need to use System Restore to return to a point more than three months in the past, there's a decent chance it won't work or will cause more problems than it fixes. However, these aren't huge problems; they're just annoyances. Reply
sprockkets - Tuesday, July 20, 2004 - linkNo operating system should fatally crash by simply ending task or terminating a process.
You are right 18#, it isn't hard keeping it clean, but then again I end up reinstalling it about every 8 months since the registry corrupts itself, not fatally, but just to make your favorite app not work anymore, or it take forever to boot up. Reply
kd4yum - Tuesday, July 20, 2004 - linkKristopher: Any idea whatever happened to the MSI K8N 939-pin motherboard you folks used in the High End System Guide a few weeks ago? I can not find that motherboard anywhere. Has MSI scrapped it? When and where will it be for sale?
balzi - Tuesday, July 20, 2004 - link#15 -- I think something screwed up on the articles Gaming Benchmarks. UT2004 has a native Linux 64 bit version - so it would run a 64bit app. on 64 bit drivers, and i assume they saw awesome FPS gains. however this page:http://www.anandtech.com/linux/showdoc.aspx?i=2127...
has no graphs relating to UT2004 64bit.. hmm?!?!?
On the SATA RAID support.. I just bought a ASUS K8V (K8T800) .. granted it's a S754 board but the VIA southbridge remains the same [8237] I think.. anyway.. I had big problems getting hte RAID going, in fact I didn't get it going and had to opt for the Promise RAID controller onboard.. Gigabit Ethernet was provided by a Marvel Yukon chipset.. ASUS chose good here.. SuSE 9.0 picked it up eventually. though not straigth away.
I sincerely hope VIA see some of these comments about their on-die SATA RAID support for Linux.
as a consolation - I used the VIA instructions with some minor changes to get the Promise controller going.. they were sufficiently vague yet all-encompassing to be applicable. :)
Balzi Reply
tfranzese - Tuesday, July 20, 2004 - linkLinux isn't without it's problems #17. I wish I had the time or willingness to get more into Linux, but for all my needs (programming) it gets the job done without me having to spend too much time learning anything extra. Bashing Windows is quite sad though on all your parts, it isn't too hard to keep a clean and stable Windows installation. Reply
sprockkets - Tuesday, July 20, 2004 - linkThe last BSOD I got on someone's computer was simply to end process on a trojan horse in winxp. Sad. Reply
tfranzese - Monday, July 19, 2004 - linkI can't remember the last time I had a BSOD when I wasn't messing with my hardware setup changing things around.
I'm sad for people who still live in the past. Reply
TrogdorJW - Monday, July 19, 2004 - link#14 - Oh, yeah, I get blue screens ALL the time while gaming on XP. Mostly, it involves underwater scenes, though. Last time I had a BSOD on XP? Probably a few weeks ago. Last time I had a BSOD on a system that wasn't *overclocked*? I can't even remember.
On the article:
"Mental ray seems optimized for NVIDIA, but it does not seem to provide a distinct advantage going from 32-bit to 64-bit architecture." Duh - you mention that only a 32-bit version is available, so why should it benefit at all from 64-bit? Unlike games, which rely heavily on graphics drivers, Mental Ray is more of a CPU dependent application, so 64-bit graphics drivers aren't going to help it score higher.
"Surprisingly, the difference between 64-bit and 32-bit UT2004 was a little more than we expected. The case for 64-bit is extremely strong with this benchmark." I'm a little confused here - it seems to me that the difference between 32-bit and 64-bit was much larger on W:ET than on UT2K4. Still, it's good to see *any* performance increase under 64-bit for a game. Is UT2K4 actually available in both 32-bit and 64-bit Linux binaries now? That wasn't made entirely clear in the article. IIRC, you're still running UT2K4 as a 32-bit game on a 64-bit OS, right? Only the drivers are 64-bit enabled.
Overall, though, great article. With the updated Nvidia graphics drivers that provide support for 4K stack kernels (like Fedora Core 2), things are getting better. On a side note, I was finally able to get the Nvidia driver to run properly on my friend's 3000+ system (Chaintech ZNF-250 motherboard) by installing it manually from the command line and then run SaX2 to configure X. The old Nvidia driver crashed the system when I tried to install it, although AT never seemed to have that problem. Reply
MNKyDeth - Monday, July 19, 2004 - link10 - Posted on Jul 19, 2004 at 1:23 PM by tfranzese
"hardcore linux gamer", I'm sad for you. ;)
Yeah, well, some of us would rather play the games linux has and not have to worry about a blue screen while we play. I won't use wine or wineX either, unless it upports 90% of all windows games and works 100% all the time. Reply
RyanVM - Monday, July 19, 2004 - linkIt seems to me that optimizing the binaries would certainly be useful for seeing just how good performance can be. The vast majority of Linux users will be compiling their own code anyway... Reply
sprockkets - Monday, July 19, 2004 - linkHmmmm, although you say that you didn't optimize using flags during compile of Lame or anything else compiled, doesn't the configure script do this for you automatically, or at least, detect your processor type and compile accordingly?
Comments on chipset support: It is nice to be able to install SuSE without a floppy, unlike EVERY version of windows out there. Did the SATA work though on the NF3? Sound would work since it's just the usual Intel 8x0 driver, right?
VIA audio to some extent works on my motherboard with the 8237 SB, and while the codec seems fully supported, which is a SoundMAX, sound only came out once.
I wouldn't call the fact that the kernel calls the chipset the K8T400 a necessary gotcha. One of the best things I like about linux is the fact that it refers to hardware by either it's real name or codename, unlike stupid windows which refers you your hardware from the marketed name of the product, making you think it really is something unique. For instance, SuSE 9.1 refers to the 964L SB from SIS as having a 963 ATA controller. On the outside it says 964L, but really, it probably uses the same IDE controller from before. Reply
KristopherKubicki - Monday, July 19, 2004 - linkDoom3 get a linux port but probably not right away. You all know we will have benchmarks first :)
Kristopher Reply
tfranzese - Monday, July 19, 2004 - link"hardcore linux gamer", I'm sad for you. ;)
Anyway, there's no need to included UT2K3 when they've got UT2K4 to benchmark. Including Quake3 is old and tired. Is Doom3 getting a Linux port? Reply
MNKyDeth - Monday, July 19, 2004 - linkI am very glad to see linux benches from a reputable site for a change. It's just nice having some hard numbers/facts, that I can use to compare my hardware choices with. I am a hardcore linux gamer and would like to make a suggestion if possible. RTCW:ET and UT2k4 are great benches, but there are many other games you can bench with on linux like Savage and Quake3, UT2k3 and maybe even Medal of Honor:AA. It's just a suggestion to include more games if you do a vid card roundup on linux later on or even if it is just a small comparison. Reply
Anyhow, I echo #5. I am very encouraged by the performance gains that we are starting to see. Around 30% on UT2004 is amazing. Hopefully Microsoft will get their act together so that we'll start seeing similar performance on Win32. Reply
Jeff7181 - Monday, July 19, 2004 - linkIt's just too bad a crappy FX5600 was used for the gaming tests. Couldn't at least have dug up a FX5900?
Oh by the way... I'm writing this using Firefox as well... maybe someone needs to learn how to use Firefox's features that make it a "web browser of choice." :) Reply
srMatanza - Monday, July 19, 2004 - linkAnother awesome article in an awesome series. I think it's great that quality linux benchmarking articles are finally starting to show up in reputable forums.
I can't wait for the linux video comparison. I think a good 64-bit distro review would also serve a purpose, especially if it focused on usability and maturity.
Keep up the good work. Reply
AlexWade - Monday, July 19, 2004 - linkWOW! Finally, some REAL benchmarks between 32-bit and 64-bit.
And I must say, if gains were saw across the board with non-64-bit optimized code, imagine what the jump will be with 64-bit optimized code! Reply
mjz5 - Monday, July 19, 2004 - linkanother reason to go the AMD route instead of intel Reply
Gholam - Monday, July 19, 2004 - linkEh, I'm writing this in Firefox :)
Anyway, nice results. Looks like 64-bit support in applications is what it will take for A64 to battle P4 on it's remaining home turf (encoding). Then again, it'd be interesting to see these benchmarks include Nocona. Reply
gherald - Monday, July 19, 2004 - linkI find it annoying that I can never seem to get this comments page to loads in Mozilla Firefox, the Linux browser of choice.
If you're going to write articles about Linux, at least design your site in such a way that it doesn't use wacky javascript popups.
Personally, I think you should just make it a normal web link and be done with it. Reply


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Mariners walk off in 13 to snap eight-game slide
Bay delivers game winner after Ibanez's clutch homer in 11th
SEATTLE -- It took 13 innings and a walk-off single by Jason Bay, but the Mariners finally ended a season-high eight-game losing streak Sunday with a 4-3 win over the red-hot Rangers at Safeco Field.
The win was Seattle's first walk-off victory since Aug. 18 against the Twins and came at a welcome time for a club that was reeling a bit with its longest losing streak since 2011.
"It doesn't matter how many times you've done that, once or 500, having a walk-off hit -- whether it's a home run or a blooper -- it's pretty cool," Bay said after getting mobbed by his teammates. "A lot of that was kind of a big sigh from everybody and the urgency we had. Everybody was feeling it."
Kendrys Morales doubled with one out in the 13th, moved to third on a groundout by Carlos Triunfel and scored on Bay's two-out single off Ross Wolf.
Bay nearly won it in the bottom of the 11th after Raul Ibanez had retied the game with a leadoff home run. With two outs in that frame, Bay drove a deep shot to left that was caught at the top of the wall by David Murphy to keep the game going.
"That was one of those 'maybes' and this park doesn't usually reward the 'maybes,'" Bay said of his first shot at the game winner. "In all actuality, it was about where I thought it would land. I hoped to get a couple more feet, but just to get a chance to do it again and come through however, especially the way we've been playing, it feels great. Not just for me, but for everybody."
Bay's walk-off, the fifth of his career, came on a broken-bat blooper into left field. But that was exactly what the Mariners needed to end the four-hour, nine-minute game.
"The pitch broke his bat into 800 pieces, but that's good hitting," said Rangers catcher A.J. Pierzynski. "You don't always have to use the barrel."
The Mariners were just thrilled to pull out a win any way possible at this point.
"We've got a good group of guys," said manager Eric Wedge. "They're grinding and fighting and not giving into it. A lot of breaks have gone against us this week, we've got a lot of guys working to get where they need to get to to help us win ballgames. We've got a lot of things going on right now, but this is a great win for us. A great win."
Texas had pushed across the go-ahead run in the 11th when pinch-hitter Elvis Andrus singled leading off against Carter Capps, was sacrificed to second and scored on a base hit to left by Pierzynski off Oliver Perez.
The Mariners quickly retied the game at 3 when Ibanez homered on the first pitch from Rangers closer Joe Nathan.
"That's what he does," Wedge said. "He's one of the best clutch hitters in the game, as far as I'm concerned."
Ibanez now has seven home runs and 16 RBIs in his last 11 games, giving him nine homers and 22 RBIs on the season after a slow start. The 40-year-old said he was looking for a first-pitch fastball from Nathan and got one in a good spot.
"You just look for a good pitch to hit and try not to do too much with it and barrel it up," he said. "Fortunately I was able to get that pitch and get it airborne to right field and it worked out. This was definitely a huge win for us. We battled the whole time. Obviously with the circumstances of what had been going on, it was a huge game for us."
Hisashi Iwakuma held the Rangers to a pair of runs over eight innings and closer Tom Wilhelmsen pitched a perfect ninth and 10th for the Mariners as he lowered his ERA to 0.41, but neither figured in the decision.
The Mariners had only lost more than nine games in a row nine times in franchise history, the last being a club-record 17-game skid from July 6-26, 2011. They're now 21-29 heading into four games against the Padres in Interleague action.
The Rangers still own the best record in the American League at 32-18, which also is their best mark in club history at the 50-game mark.
Andrus walked leading off the 13th against reliever Yoervis Medina, moved to second on a sacrifice and stole third, but he was stranded there by the rookie right-hander, who picked up his first career win.
Seattle's offense struggled early against Rangers rookie Nick Tepesch, failing to reach base until the fourth inning and not denting home plate until Morales launched a two-run blast to tie the game in the sixth.
Morales, playing first base instead of designated hitter with Justin Smoak sidelined by a tight oblique muscle in his right side, went 3-for-6 with his sixth home run of the season as he increased his team-leading RBI total to 26.
Morales, acquired from the Angels for Jason Vargas over the offseason, is now hitting .293 on the season and .346 (28-for-81) with three home runs and 16 RBIs in May.
Iwakuma gave up a leadoff homer to highly touted rookie shortstop Jurickson Profar and the Rangers tacked on another run in the second on a sacrifice fly by Leonys Martin, but Iwakuma settled in after that and held Texas off the board for the next six frames.
"I had a strong feeling inside, needing to stop the losing streak," Iwakuma said through interpreter Antony Suzuki. "That was one thing that I had in mind. It wasn't an easy start to the game. The breaking pitches caught the fat part of the plate. We made a good adjustment after that. I was able to throw more fastballs from the third inning on."
With the no-decision, Iwakuma remains 5-1 with a 2.35 ERA. He continued his Safeco Field mastery as he has the lowest home ERA in the AL, having posted a 2-0 record and 1.37 ERA in his first five starts in Seattle this season.
Greg Johns is a reporter for MLB.com. Follow him on Twitter @GregJohnsMLB as well as his Mariners Musings blog. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.


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The Rossoneri are currently leading the race to sign the young Pole, but other clubs, including Walter Mazzarri's side, remain firmly in the hunt for the midfielder's signature
By Elia Raimondo
Bartosz Salamon finds himself in the midst of a transfer tug-of-war between AC Milan and Napoli, as the defensive midfielder appears to be on the verge of leaving Brescia.
The youngster, who joined the Lombardian club when he was just 15, came into noticeable form two years ago at Foggia under Zdenek Zeman, now at Roma. But while he is liked by the Czech coach, he sees no reason to sign him.
German side Bayer Leverkusen are also reportedly interested in the Pole, but it is understood that his priority is to stay in Italy, and Brescia president Luigi Corioni has already been informed about his wishes to move on in the near future.
However, Salamon will not come cheap as the Serie B outfit are holding out for a figure of around €5 million. Still, it has not deterred Milan director Ariedo Braida or his Napoli counterpart Riccardo Bigon from registering an interest.
It is also believed that the Rossoneri would play him at centre-back, while the southern Italians hope the 21-year-old follows his Brescia predecessor Marek Hamsik to the San Paolo, where he would take up a place in central midfield.


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Giglio's presence threatened the "diversity" of the event, agreed the Obama administration. George Orwell would have enjoyed the selection of that word for strict uniformity of thought. Who will replace Giglio? Liberal websites and gay groups quickly drew up a list of "gay-friendly" clergy to help the White House. Numbered on the list was Fr. Jim Martin, a Jesuit who serves as the Colbert Report's "official chaplain. Others suggested that the White House tap an atheistic astronomer or physicist for the duties. After all, why would Obama need God's blessings? Doesn't that already imply a violation of modern America's understanding of itself?
Indeed, the Giglio flap just reminded liberals of the odious theistic traditions that still cling to the inauguration, prompting them to ask: Why have a benediction at all? Why invite clergy to the stage in the first place? And why should the president swear his oath with his hand placed on the Bible?
MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell, who sees the Bible as hate literature, considers the spectacle of Obama placing his hand on it "absurdist." He should place his hand on something he truly honors, like the shoulder of one of his daughters, argues O'Donnell. To swear an oath on a risible and racist book, he continued, suggests a lack of seriousness.


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More Encryption Is Not the Solution
I'm always pleased to see the recognition that, ultimately, politics is just people with lots of weapons doing what they want. In this instance, Poul-Henning Kamp, highlights the fact with respect to encryption as a "solution" to revelations about "government" spying.
Nation-states have police forces with guns. Cryptographers and the IETF Internet Engineering Task Force do not.
Several nation-states, most notably the United Kingdom, have enacted laws that allow the police to jail suspects until they reveal the cryptographic keys to unlock their computers. Such laws open a host of due process and civil rights issues that we do not need to dwell on here. For now it is enough to note that such laws can be enacted and enforced.
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Any person can have the right to privacy removed through whatever passes for judicial oversight in their country of residence, so that authorities can confirm or deny a suspicion of illegal activities.
. . .
if a nation-state decides that somebody should not have privacy, then it will use whatever means available to prevent that privacy.
The article is short and worth reading. The author is clearly not an economist, "In the past quarter century, international trade agreements have been the big thing: free movement of goods across borders and oceans, to the mutual benefit of all parties. I guess we all assumed that information and privacy rights would receive the same mutual respect as property rights did in these agreements, but we were wrong."
He also has an unhealthy optimism that the guys with the guns can be persuaded to dismantle the spy agencies (who, I'm sure, have lots of dirt on the guys with the guns); all -in-all the conclusion section is the weakest part of the paper.
Overall, his point is important: as long as institutions exist that are overwhelmingly recognized to have the right to do whatever they please up to and including caging and killing anyone who doesn't obey, encryption will, at best, protect small handfuls of people. For people generally, a general solution is necessary, which is a delegitimization of the use of force by "government."


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I just love Jessica Souhami's books. I think it must be her background as a puppeteer that makes these folk-lore based picture books so good. Sausages, for instance, is a wonderful story about being careful what you wish for. In Souhami's newest offering, Foxy!, the storyteller and illustrator puts her own spin on a trading-up trickster tale told in different ways the world over. In this wonderfully illustrated version based on a North American version of the story by Clifton Johnson from 1897, the fox is the trickster and he's looking for a meal. What an entertaining read-aloud!
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QB Driskel says he is committed to Gators
Published: Friday, July 12, 2013 at 10:08 p.m.
Last Modified: Friday, July 12, 2013 at 10:08 p.m.
THIBODAUX, La. — Florida quarterback Jeff Driskel never intended to create a stir by signing a Major League Baseball contract with the Boston Red Sox earlier this month.
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But the junior quarterback did just that when he signed July 3 with the Red Sox, who drafted him in the 29th round of the Major League Baseball draft in June.
There was speculation Driskel's college football days could be ending in favor of a new career in baseball.
While attending the Manning Passing Academy at Nicholls State University in Thibodaux this week, Driskel said signing the contract with the Red Sox was a non-issue and mostly a backup plan for the future. He wants to continue his college football career and eventually make a run at being an NFL quarterback.
"I'm focusing on football," Driskel said during a Manning Camp news conference Friday. "Nothing is changing in my life. There's no distraction at all. My mind is completely on playing football at Florida."
Driskel has many reasons to return for his upcoming junior year at Florida, where as a sophomore quarterback last year, he led the Gators to an 11-2 overall mark and a trip to the Sugar Bowl against Louisville in New Orleans.
The Gators suffered a 33-23 upset loss to Louisville, but the 6-foot-4, 236-pound Driskel completed 156 of 245 attempts for 1,646 yards and 12 touchdowns against five interceptions on the season as Florida's leading signal-caller. He also rushed for 413 yards and four touchdowns.
Driskel said he is extra motivated and excited to take the field again with the Gators this upcoming season, especially after Florida finished as SEC East runner-up last year. The Gators' only loss in SEC play was a 17-9 setback against longtime rival and defending SEC East champion Georgia.
"Last year we were close to making it to the SEC Championship Game. Real close," Driskel said. "At Florida, our expectations are always high, so we can't wait to get back out there."
As a quarterback, Driskel said one of the main things he has learned is that there are no off days when playing against the SEC schedule.
"In the SEC, if you lose one game, that could determine whether you are going to make it to the championship game or not," Driskel said. "Every game is important in our league. We're going to treat them all that way."
FOX Sports analyst Charles Davis, who is also serving as a camp counselor at the Manning Passing Academy this week, said he expects to see more improvement from Driskel as a quarterback.
"I think he'll make a big leap this year in terms of throwing the football with accuracy and becoming a pure all-around quarterback," Davis said. "We've seen the body on him, and we've seen the running ability. He knows he has the arm. That's not an issue. I think all the accuracy and everything else will come together this year."
Davis said Florida has several key positions to fill from last year, but he believes the Gators will be in the mix for another competitive season under third-year coach Will Muschamp.
"I think they are going to be a good football team," Davis said. "Their depth isn't what it has been at certain positions, especially at the wide receiver spot. The defense will have to be as great as it was last year. The offense has to get better. I don't think they can do it the same way two years in a row with the defense having to create so many things, but they are Florida. They are going to be good, and they are a prime contender in the SEC East."
Although the football season is on the horizon, Driskel said he is enjoying the last few weeks of the offseason before focusing all of his attention on training camp.
Driskel said he is enjoying his time at the Manning Passing Academy, which started Thursday and ends Sunday. He is serving as a camp counselor alongside Super Bowl winning quarterbacks such as Peyton and Eli Manning and other superstar college quarterbacks like reigning Heisman Trophy winner Johnny Manziel of Texas A&M and AJ McCarron of Alabama.
"It's awesome," Driskel said. "I'm excited about the opportunity to come out here with tons of great quarterbacks from around the country. It's been a great experience, and I'm looking forward to the rest of the camp."
Driskel said he is familiar with being in the Bayou Region. He participated in the Manning Camp as a high school student years ago, so he is used to the south Louisiana culture. Now as a camp counselor, Driskel said he is taking complete advantage of being around the Mannings.
"It's pretty cool to see how much work it takes to organize it and what it takes to put it all together for all these kids," Driskel said. "They do a great job of putting it together and making sure everyone is getting a good amount of reps. It's an honor to be here. I like the way (the Mannings) handle themselves on and off the field. The way they speak to people. You just try to learn as much as you can from guys like that."
Driskel also took time to talk about Florida defensive tackle Damien Jacobs, a Gibson, La., native who attended nearby H.L. Bourgeois High. Jacobs, a 6-foot-3, 286-pound defensive lineman, is coming off a good junior year, where he played in 12 games and had 10 total tackles (six solo, four assists) with 2.5 sacks.
Jacobs, who was the only Louisiana-born player on Florida's roster last year, had his two biggest plays of the year when he recorded sacks in Florida's win over LSU and in the Sugar Bowl against Louisville.
"Damien is a great guy," Driskel said. "He's a good old country boy. He talks a lot about fishing and being out in the lakes. For our coaches getting him out of the state of Louisiana and bringing him to Florida is big time. He's going to be a really important player for us."
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An MP and an Otley man who lost his son in a crash have both been named road safety 'champions'.
Tony Davison and Greg Mulholland (Lib Dem, Leeds North West) were honoured at the Brake Road Safety Awards ceremony.
Mr Davison, whose 18-year-old son Adrian died in a car accident in Bramhope in 2002, was named Road Safety Educator of the Year for the work he has done with young people to try to prevent tragedies.
Mr Mulholland won the Road Safety Parliamentarian of the Year award for the support he has given the family of 16-year-old Jamie Still, of Otley, who died after being hit by a drink-driver on New Year's Eve, 2010. The MP has campaigned with Jamie's mother, Karen Strong, and sister, Rebecca Still, for a change in the law that would see anyone charged with death by dangerous or careless driving having their licence suspended as a bail condition.
Mr Mulholland said: "The campaign, instigated by Rebecca, has been a remarkable one and I have been very pleased, working alongside Karen and Rebecca and Jamie's grandfather, Peter, to bring this to the attention of the Government.
"I am honoured to have been given this award by Brake, who have also been hugely supportive of the campaign and the family. This is really for Jamie's family, who have shown immense courage, and I look forward to continuing to work with them."
Mr Davison said: "I am honoured to receive this award, and very glad that over the years I've had the opportunity to be able to reach out to young people and make a difference, working alongside Brake and local agencies.
"Nothing can ever put right the loss of my son, but helping other young people to be safe on roads is so critical, and it's all made worth it to hear the response of the young people. I'm proud to have been able to do this in Adrian's memory."
Ms Strong said: "We would like to congratulate Greg on his award – one we feel is very deserving, given how hard he has worked."
The family is running an e-petition, at thepetitionsite.com/1/ zero---tolerance- for-drink-drivers-in-the-uk, calling for the law to be toughened.


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text: NEW YORK ( TheStreet) -- The Securities and Exchange Commission has charged hedge fund billionaire Steven A. Cohen of SAC Capital with failing to supervise two senior traders -- Mathew Martoma and Michael Steinberg -- amid allegations of insider trading under his watch. The SEC alleges Cohen received highly suspicious insider information from his traders, however, instead of investigating them, Cohen praised Steinberg and rewarded Martoma with a $9 million bonus for his work. The regulatory agency has said both traders were involved in illegal insider trading conspiracies that helped the hedge fund to hundreds of millions of dollars in profits and avoided losses. "Hedge fund managers are responsible for exercising appropriate supervision over their employees to ensure that their firms comply with the securities laws," Andrew J. Ceresney, Co-Director of the SEC's Division of Enforcement, said in a statement. "After learning about red flags indicating potential insider trading by his employees, Steven Cohen allegedly failed to follow up to prevent violations of the law. The Enforcement Division is seeking to bar Cohen from overseeing investor funds, in addition to the more than $615 million his firm has already agreed to pay for the alleged insider trading." The SEC's administrative proceeding, while potentially a career ender for Cohen's multi-decade run atop Wall Street, isn't a criminal charge or an accusation of fraud. "The S.E.C.'s administrative proceeding has no merit," Jonathan Gasthalter, a spokesperson for SAC Capital, said in an e-mailed statement. "Steve Cohen acted appropriately at all times and will fight this charge vigorously. The S.E.C. ignores SAC's exceptional supervisory structure, its extensive compliance policies and procedures, and Steve Cohen's strong support for SAC's compliance program." In November, the SEC charged Martoma and his tipper with insider trading, and the agency charged Steinberg with insider trading in a complaint filed earlier this year. The SEC's charge against Cohen will determine what penalties or industry bans he could face, however, it appears that for now the regulator wasn't ready to consider Cohen as part of either Martoma or Steinberg's alleged criminal acts. Earlier in 2013, CR Intrinsic, an affiliate of Cohen's firm S.A.C. Capital, agreed to pay more than $600 million in the largest-ever insider trading settlement. Sigma Capital, another SAC affiliate, agreed to pay nearly $14 million to settle insider trading charges.


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One time you made the remark that charcoal brickettes should not be used in a fireplace because they form carbon monoxide.
Would you please expand this comment you made and tell me just what happens and how it is so dangerous. It seems so "innocent" to do this!
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CHILDREN living in a village with no pre-school provision will soon have a place to call their own, thanks to two generous grants.
Callow End CE Primary School is gearing up to open its pre-school on Wednesday, April 30 after it received a vital grant of £1,500 from Powick Parish Council in addition to £4,000 donated by cllr Tom Wells
The funds from the parish council, which were backed unanimously, will be used to purchase a storage container so all the pre-school furniture and equipment can be safely and securely packed away at the end of each session.
Headteacher Sue Parker said she was "absolutely delighted" to receive the full amount they applied for and some
"In Callow End there's no provision at all for pre-school children. Families with children that go to pre-school have to drop the pupils here and then rush off to take the other children."
Mrs Parker added: "It is because of these fantastic donations we have got the money that we needed to set the pre-school up. If we had not got the funding we would not have been able to do it.
"For the parish council to be supporting such a big project in the village is great. We are really pleased because they only usually approve grant applications in December of January."
Cllr Tom Wells said: "This is an investment in the long-term future of the village school. It is a very competitive market these days and it makes sense for the school to operate a pre-school with the intention that most pupils continue onto the main school."
It will be housed in the school's dining room and will provide 16 children aged three and above somewhere to go within the village for the first time and it is due to be open Monday to Friday from 9am to noon.
Parents and guardians can register their interest in a place for their children, with an application form available on the school's website and some places are still available.
For more information and to register your interest, go to callowend.worcs.sch.uk or call 01905 830337.


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Man charged with resisting arrest after high speed chase
Published: Friday, December 28, 2012 at 9:53 a.m.
Last Modified: Friday, December 28, 2012 at 9:53 a.m.
A chase through Gainesville at speeds of more than 100 mph ended late Thursday night with the arrest of a Hawthorne man on DUI and other charges, Lt. Mike Schibuola reported.
Brad Seymour, 23, was eventually stopped in southeast Gainesville after a tire was blown out by a spiked device placed in the road by police.
The incident began about 11:30 p.m. when officer Natalie Hall tried to stop Seymour for a traffic offense in the 6000 block of Newberry Road, Schibuola said.
Seymour raced east on West University Avenue, reaching 80 mph while tailed by officers, Schibuola said.
Police lost sight of Seymour but found him again on Northeast 39th Avenue, going faster than 100 mph. Stop sticks were laid by Sgt. Stephen Girard on the road to damage Seymour's tires.
He drove south on Waldo Road and was eventually caught in the 100 block of Southeast 26th Street.
Schibuola said he was charged with DUI, aggravated fleeing and eluding and resisting arrest without violence.
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