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I self-cut. I know I shouldn't, but I really don't know how to stop.
TeenHealthFX hopes you are feeling proud of yourself for reaching out for help with this because it can be difficult to ask for help with something we are struggling with. FX can appreciate that it has been tough to stop the self-cutting on your own. That is definitely not uncommon. People who self-cut do so as a way to manage negative thoughts and feelings that come up. If there are underlying emotional issues contributing to those negative thoughts and feelings that have not been dealt with, that can certainly make it difficult to stop. In addition, many people who self-cut haven't learned alternate, healthier methods to deal with these kinds of thoughts and feelings. So when they try to stop cutting, they are bombarded with very intense negative emotions and thoughts that they do not know how to manage in a healthy way.
That said, in order to effectively address self-cutting behaviors it is important to work with a mental health professional who has experience working with teens who self-cut. By meeting at least once a week with a reputable therapist, such as a clinical social worker or clinical psychologist, you can begin to address the underlying issues to lessen the intensity of the negative thoughts and emotions you are experiencing. You can also begin to learn healthier coping mechanisms to deal with these thoughts and feelings when they do come up. A therapist might also recommend some family sessions as well so that your parents/guardians can learn more about self-cutting in order to increase their understanding of what you are going through, as well as learn about effective treatment methods and ways to best support you.
If you live in northern New Jersey and need help finding a therapist you can call the Access Center from Atlantic Behavioral Health at 888-247-1400. Outside of this area you can log onto the US Department of Health and Human Services Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration website for referrals in your area. You can also contact your insurance company to get a list of in-network mental health providers or check with your school social worker or psychologist to get a list of referrals in your area.
If you need some additional support, if you live in New Jersey you can call 2NDLFOOR, a confidential and anonymous helpline for teens and young adults, at 1-888-222-2228. If you aren't from NJ, please call your local United Way or 211 for assistance and support. You can also contact the Self-Injury Hotline (information only, not a crisis line) at 1-800-DON'T-CUT, 1-800-366-8288.
TeenHealthFX would like to remind you that you are not alone and that reaching out for help is definitely a sign of strength. So please speak to your parents/guardians soon about scheduling a consultation with a reputable mental health professional. If you need help raising this with your parents/guardians, you can always ask for help from a camp counselor, school counselor or your primary care physician. And if you have any more questions or concerns, you can always write back to TeenHealthFX.
Teens often abuse prescription drugs because of the myth that these drugs provide a medically safe high.
Enter fact in dialog
It is estimated that major depressive disorder (MDD) affects about 5% of adolescents, and that between 10 - 15% of adolescents have some symptoms of depression at any one time.
Statistics show that giving a teen a credit card does not teach them to be financially responsible or to encourage self-restraint, but actually promotes a "spend now and deal with the consequences later" mindset.
Girls are more likely to intentionally abuse prescription drugs than boys.
The reality of excessive interest rates and fees that often accompany credit card use for teens, can put youngsters in a position where they are losing out on admission to graduate school, getting a job, or renting an apartment because of damaged credit history.
Less than 33% of teens with depression get help, yet 80% of teens with depression can be successfully treated if they seek help from a doctor or therapist.
Traffic crashes are the greatest single cause of death for all persons age 6-33, and about 45% of these fatalities are alcohol-related crashes.
About 6.2 million Americans get a new genital HPV infection each year.
30% of teens with depression also have a substance abuse problem.
Freshmen bring an average of $1,585.00 in credit card debt to college.
About a third of women who seek services related to unprotected sex, such as pregnancy testing or emergency contraception, do not receive STD counseling, testing, or treatment.
7-10% of college students will drop out of school because of credit problems.
Teens with untreated depression are more likely to engage in risky sexual behaviors, leading to higher rates of teen pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases.
Most smokers begin smoking as teens, and the average age of initiation is 12.5 years of age.
People with manic symptoms and Bipolar Disorder II are at a significant risk of later developing an alcohol abuse or dependence problem.
Motor vehicle crashes are the leading cause of death for U.S. teens, accounting for 36% of all deaths in this age group.
The teen pregnancy rate in the United States is the highest of any industrialized democracy, nearly twice that of Great Britain and 10 times that of Japan. 1
Compared with other age groups, teens have the lowest rate of seat belt use, and male high school students are more likely than female students to rarely or never wear seat belts.
A national study of women ages 15-44 found that women were almost twice as likely to receive contraceptive services rather than STD services.
The teenage pregnancy rate in the U.S. is at its lowest level in thirty years, down 36% since its peak in 1990. Research suggests that both increased abstinence and positive changes in contraceptive practice are responsible these recent declines in teen pregnancy.
A sexually active teenager who does not use contraceptives has a 90% chance of becoming pregnant within one year. 8
In the United States, at least 5-10 million girls and women and 1 million boys and men are struggling with eating disorders. 11
Among male drivers between 15 and 20 years of age who were involved in fatal crashes in 2005, 38% were speeding at the time of the crash and 24% had been drinking.
Homicide is the second leading cause of death among 15- to 24-year-olds overall. 16
Every two minutes, somewhere in America, someone is sexually assaulted. 22
One in four teenage girls in the U.S. had at least one common sexually transmitted disease.
Suicide is the third leading cause of death among youths ages 15 to 20. 19
The highest Chlamydia rates occurred among women ages 15 to 19 and 20 to 24.
About 44% of rape victims are under age 18. Three out of every twenty victims (15%) are under age 12. 25
Each year, half of all HIV infections are among people under the age of 25.
Crash risk is particularly high during the first year that teenagers are eligible to drive.
One out of every six American women have been the victims of an attempted or completed rape in their lifetime. A total of 17.7 million women have been victims of these crimes. 23
Teen girls ages 15-19 have the highest Gonorrhea rate of any age group.
The motor vehicle death rate for male drivers and passengers ages 16-19 is more than one and half times that of their female counterparts.
More than four in 10 young women become pregnant at least once before they reach the age of 20 - nearly one million teen pregnancies a year 3
The presence of teen passengers increases the crash risk of unsupervised teen drivers; the risk increases with the number of teen passengers.
Smoking is the leading preventable cause of death in this country. More than 400,000 Americans die from tobacco-related causes each year, and most of them began using tobacco before the age of 18.
The risk of motor vehicle crashes is higher among 16- to 19-year-olds than among any other age group.
Underage drinking costs the U.S. more than $58 billion every year; enough to buy every public school student a state-of-the-art computer.
At all levels of blood alcohol concentration (BAC), the risk of involvement in a motor vehicle crash is greater for teens than for older drivers.
Teens who drink are more likely to be victims of violent crimes and sexual assault, have serious problems in school, be involved in drinking-related traffic crashes, and develop problems with alcohol later in life.
Nearly all the poison deaths in the U.S. are attributed to drugs, and most drug poisonings result from the abuse of prescription and illegal drugs.
Alcohol kills 6.5 times more youth than all other illicit drugs combined.
Persons aged 15-24, who represent only 14% of the U.S. population, account for 30% ($19 billion) of the total costs of motor vehicle injuries among males and 28% ($7 billion) among females.
Among young people ages 12-17, prescription drugs have become the second most abused illegal drug, behind marijuana.


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A woman embroiled in a divorce fight is celebrating after overturning a court ban which prevented her from moving house.
The woman, who has two children, was ordered to live at a specified address nearly two years ago by a district judge overseeing divorce proceedings.
But a High Court judge lifted the restriction after ruling that the woman should be allowed to find work and support her children as she wished.
The woman compared the restriction to being under "house arrest" and complained that it limited her chances of finding work, hampered her children's relationship with relatives, and left her struggling to pay bills.
Mr Justice Charles disagreed with the "house arrest" comparison but told a High Court hearing: "It seems to me that she should have the opportunity to seek employment, and therefore to support herself and her children, as she wishes."
He heard that the restriction was part of a "prohibitive steps order" made by a district judge in 2010. The woman's estranged husband lived near the specified address and the arrangement allowed him to have regular contact with the children, the judge was told.
The woman, who cannot be identified for legal reasons, challenged the restriction at a private hearing in the family division of the High Court in London. Mr Justice Charles gave permission for a journalist to attend the hearing and for parts of the proceedings to be reported after an application by the Press Association, which argued that coverage would be in the public interest.
The judge said the woman and her children had to remain in England or Wales - within the jurisdiction of the High Court - while legal proceedings continued. A further High Court hearing related to the divorce fight is scheduled to take place later this year.
Mr Justice Charles said he had to decide whether to continue the restriction to ease contact arrangements or allow the woman to move. He said the balance lay in allowing the woman to move. The estranged husband had argued the woman's "true agenda" in wanting to move home was to "frustrate" contact arrangements. Mr Justice Charles said the estranged husband had a right to regular contact and the woman had to comply with the provisions of a separate court order relating to access visits, regardless of where she lived.
"I'd tried to get the restriction discharged before but failed," said the woman, who was not represented by a lawyer at the High Court hearing. "I was a bit overwhelmed when it was actually lifted." She added: "It was a sledgehammer to crack a nut. I hope Mr Justice Charles' decision helps other people in similar situations."


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This is the story of one soldier's journey through war. Leaving love and peace with a family back home, he struggles to create this very same type of atmosphere in a new, dark and void battlefield overseas.
Bearing the coldness of bitter nights filled with violence, success for him and his men looks bleak.
But a light sparked by God and fueled by himself, his soldiers and his family, could prove bright enough to overcome imminent death, and truly learn ... just how to ... come to life . . .
All photographs contained in this book are genuine and not file photos. All were taken by me, with exception of a few taken by fellow Soldiers or my wife.
The first few pages of the book introduce WAR. Briefly, they explore the devastations and horrors that are the reality of war (the bloodied and beastly tank roaming the land with its dark shadow stretching over the buildings, war invading families and everyday lives of civilians, some innocent, some not, but all of this leading to a desolate land).
The pages following introduce me and my Soldiers preparing to leave home (and our loved ones), and enter the war previously introduced. We are happy, and we are pictured proud to do conduct the mission (p8-p9).
The book then transitions into me leaving my wife behind to go fight for our nation. On the steps of Philadelphia's Art Museum, we say goodbye (p10), and by the next page I am gone. As I leave her, alone, I pose the question, how I will be able to endure this war without her?
This question is answered in the following pages. And once I have made my peace with leaving, my men march off to war, we march off into chaos (p16 representing us marching off into the chaos on pg17).
The next few pages characterize our arrival and our new living areas for the next 15 months. They range from curious and humorous, to cold and desolate (p20 showing the rigid desolation of the land we now inhibit with its hard, concrete lines and barren field and barbed wire in the foreground, and p22 showing the humorous contrast of a warm and quaint coffee house sign resting on a stiff, concrete barrier).
The next page transitions to us, settled now in our new homes, ready to begin our fight (patrolling the country). The Soldier is pictured on the far left of the page, looking forward (right), to the following pages that are the battles he will endure.
The book shifts to us out in the streets, patrolling the land. In these pictures, you can see the stark contrast in the two cultures (masque in background with Soldier in foreground, our earth-colored humvees driving one direction and their brightly colored cars driving the opposite way, old man sitting vs young statue-like Soldier standing, etc). One page (p28) showing our differences even in similarities with their idea of a biker gang, their idea of graffiti, their idea of junk food, and it also illustrates the irony in me traveling all the way overseas to find a child wearing a Philadelphia Eagles sweatshirt, and me pictured in my HS wrestling shirt. Quite out of place.
The following page conveys an experience all too common with us. One morning we work endlessly to build up a school and the infrastructure of a town, and later that day we are forced to fight and destroy infrastructures in that very same town. From building to destroying, all in a day's work.
This leads to Soldiers demonstrating their frustrations and the vast gap between what we want and how we feel (illustrated on p31).
Next, we move to the destruction both the town and us Soldiers are forced to endure. From debris on the body of a tank to buildings blown apart, we see the destruction up close. The last picture includes a little girl in the foreground with a crumbling building behind her. This is done to transition into the next section of the book.
Here we view pictures of children living through all of this, almost forgotten. We see families real brothers and sisters caught in a war, with families torn (seen on p42 with the varying reactions a family has to our presence), and some lost (seen on p43 as a little child squats, looking out at us alone with a electrical pole resembling a cross in the background).
It is now dark. The sun is setting, and with it goes our sanity, our goodness. Enduring all that we had, our souls enter the dark madness and become absorbed in the chaos. I sit in reflection (p47) on all that we have had to do, all the violence and destruction, capturing of enemy and I wonder while trapped in the darkness of night.
With a picture of the sun setting (p48) I explain my fears of how to endure this and break out of this evil darkness the fading sun has left us in.
My fears are then answered, as Christ reaches down for me, for us (p49 with his hand in the foreground and eyes staring into the viewer).
Following this is a picture of a tree, dead as it is surrounded by darkness, contrasted on the next page with the same type of tree, fresh in the morning light, coming to life as our mind and souls can. How we are able to is conveyed in the following pages (p52-p55, our training, roots and most importantly remembrance of our loved ones, and how my wife at home is with me through the sign I have hanging over my bed oceans away).
With our spirits revived in the bright sun shining, proving the night's end, we continue our progress in a positive light. Adapting (eating their food), showing compassion and humanity (interacting with the children vs standing statue-like in their presence as earlier pictured). The following pages portray us, teaching their police, handing out supplies and continuing to protect the people, their flag (p56-p59).
The results of such progress are seen next, as the pages illustrate successful businesses open and children selling products, all out of danger.
On p60 we see the colors and light beginning to seep back into their flag, as their pride and confidence begin to take back the once chaotic land. And the results of this are seen on p61.
As my Soldiers and I prepare to leave, we reflect back on all we have experienced. The children see us off, thankful for what we have done.
On p64 I reveal the impact the experience has had on me, and how the children I have photographed will always be with me (as you see them surrounding me in a picture I took of myself through a mirror). On the next page are pictures of my Soldiers intermingled with the people of the land.
My family anxiously awaits my arrival home (p66-p68, my dogs sit window-side waiting, and rush to me, one even pulling at his own leash).
I return. The family joyously reunited (p69). I reconnect with my wife under the lights of Philadelphia. While holding her, I remember a quote from an old film (seen on the next page set against a picture of the moon and stars). The quote speaks volumes of truth both to us holding each other at that moment, and to all of humanity, including what and who I have experienced for the last 15 months. Humanity, we are all one . . .
Again, the sun ascends behind the church I attended over seas, and it rests in the sky, shining down on all that is good. And as the track marks lead off into the bright sun (my journey ending) I hope the viewer can see the goodness that followed the sun's return. I hope all viewers can be a part of its goodness and endure the trials of life.
Following this are pages with many pictures. This includes pictures of family (my mother with her dog, and my father serving our country in Korea next to me posed the same way), the armored vest plate I was blown up in (and the holes it now has from the shrapnel), posters and decorations I had in my room over seas, the fiery leaves of a tree coming to life, a photo of all my cousins at our wedding, me sleeping in my tank, dreaming of our favorite, family-owned hang-out in RP McMurphy's , my wife sauntering down Broad St in Philadelphia, me hugging my Soldiers, me showing off my Philly pride atop my tank, the Mary emblem I wore to protect me during my deployment (reading: Mary conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee), the name of a VMI professor that has helped me turn my experience into a book to be published in the fall (Beyond Duty by Polity Publishing), and a quote I wrote on my wall over there, taken from a work called Benito Cereno. Special thanks to my father, who took the picture of us under the lights in Philadelphia, my sister-in-law, Leah, who taught me much about photography, 1-12: the unit I was deployed with, and Wounded Warrior Transition Unit: the unit I am now in as I continue to recover from my injuries. These thank you notes are set against the background of my old Virginia Military Institute duty jacket.
The back cover is a picture of the building my Soldiers and I lived in that was in the middle of the city, surrounded by foreign homes and streets. In it, the viewer can see the harsh lifestyle we were forced to endure. But through it, our flag survives, not unscathed, but still bleeding strong with color. The title on cover page and the phrase on the back together: As the Sun Goes Down, We Shall Remember Them . . .
Features & Details
- Category Arts & Photography
Standard Landscape, 10×8 in, 25×20 cm
80 Pages
- Publish Date Jun 10, 2009
- Tags as the sun goes down, middle east, Virginia Military Institute, sun, Irish, Texas, leader, Weinberger, Philadelphia, Diyala, Baqubah, Armor, Meehan, Shannon, Amanda, Iraq, save, kill, darkness, dark, conflict, death, life, war, marriage, love, spirituality, God
About the Creator
ALL PROCEEDS FOR BOOK DONATED TO WOUNDED WARRIOR PROJECT IN SUPPORT OF TROOPS Being an urban Irish Catholic from the northeast and a graduate of Upper Darby High School, I continued my education in quite a different atmosphere by attending the Virginia Military Institute; a southern school rich in its own culture and heritage. Through the rigid military lifestyle and tough academic load we bear came a great brotherhood with many of my classmates. Upon graduation I became an officer in the US Army's Armor (Tank) Corps. I was in the 1st Battalion, 12th Regiment of the 1st Cavalry Division. I was enjoying my duty as a platoon leader, my life as a married man to my love, Amanda Meehan, and 'fathering' our three puppies. In Oct of '06, I was deployed to Baqubah, Iraq (Diyala Province) for 15 months where my life and outlook on life would forever be changed. What my men and I endured is a story not heard nearly enough as we watched a city crumble before us, and fought to save it .
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This webinar recording offers advocates tools and resources for working with adolescent IPSV survivors. Intimate partner sexual violence (IPSV) is a disturbing reality in the lives of many teens. They may be at risk for sexual assault and coercion within their intimate relationships.
Access the recording.
© 2016 National Sexual Violence Resource Center – Founded by the Pennsylvania Coalition Against Rape
This site is supported by Grant/ Cooperative Agreement No. 1UF2CE002359-04 from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Its contents are solely the responsibility of the authors and do not necessarily represent the official views of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.


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Want to add a new board to my quiver. Summer is coming up, want a board for the small weak summer waves in Florida. Want something that's easy to paddle and catches waves easy.
Should I get a funshape board in the 7'-7'4" range or get a board like a mini simmons??


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Welcome to Dragon Cave! Dragon Cave is an online adoptables game. Collect eggs, raise them to adulthood, and then breed them to create interesting lineages. New types of dragons are added regularly!
Seragamma Wyverns are vicious raptors from volcanic valleys. They are fast and agile hunters with great vision. They are mostly active during evening and night. Seragammas are not only notorious for killing anything that can provide them with sustenence, but also their opponents during mating season. Such fights are usually accompanied by loud shrieks, used as a warning for other creatures not to interfere. Rivalry and fighting between male Seragammas tends to cause them to avoid their own gender; however, males will sometimes group up with more than one female.
Dragons are creatures with nearly unlimited life spans. They can survive for long periods of time, and no one has found a dragon that has died of old age. Adolescence is usually marked by the growth of a hatchling's wings, although not all breeds of dragons grow wings and some breeds have other traits that indicate the beginning of maturation. Once they hit adolescence, hatchlings change quickly, maturing to their full forms in only 2 years.
Dragons don't communicate with each other verbally, but they will growl to scare off predators and frighten prey. Young dragons will emit an extremely high-pitched squeal when they are frightened. To communicate, they use telepathy with each other and to speak to other creatures.


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Don't be afraid to use the words "healthy" and "barbecue" together. In fact, grilling and barbecuing may be two of the oldest forms of healthy cooking out there. How do you think cavemen kept trim?
You don't need a lot of fat to experience a ton of flavor. Use replacements, like wood smoke or spices, to get the full taste of what barbecue can offer.
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The NCSU sexual and relationship violence peer education group created this short (6:05) video to train all incoming first-year students about bystander interventions. The prevention approach of The Movement is to create a culture change and for the entire community to step up and speak out against this violence and hold the perpetrators accountable.
© 2016 National Sexual Violence Resource Center – Founded by the Pennsylvania Coalition Against Rape
This site is supported by Grant/ Cooperative Agreement No. 1UF2CE002359-04 from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Its contents are solely the responsibility of the authors and do not necessarily represent the official views of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.


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Would You Eat A $500 Chicken Dinner In The Car? [Poll]
If you knew that a chicken dinner was going to cost $500, I guarantee you would not eat in the car because that is not what the meal itself actually cost, but that's what it cost an Ottawa, Canada man when he was ticketed for eating a rotisserie chicken while driving. He was weaving all over the road and was contstantly reaching for something when cops lit him up.


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A man has been charged with possession of throwing knives and an air pistol after allegedly beating up a man outside Waitrose.
Kevin Quigley, of Park Road, Kingston, appeared in Wimbledon Magistrates' Court yesterday also charged with physically assaulting a man in his 20s for racial or religious motivations.
The incident took place outside Waitrose in Alexandra Road, Wimbledon at about 10pm on Friday, July 4.
London Ambulance Service did not attend.
Mr Quigley, 31, has been remanded in police custody, to appear at Kingston Crown Court on Monday, July 21.


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Yonatan Israel opened the Brooklyn outpost of Colson Patisserie in 2006 to satisfy his craving for the French patisseries of his youth. The Parisian-born filmmaker was particularly inspired by family friend and renowned Beligan pastry chef Hubert Colson, who has operated the original Colson Patisserie in Mons, Beligum since 1986.
Israel trained firsthand as an apprentice with Colson to perfect the chef's pastries for a New York audience. He has recreated a number of Colson's famous French and Belgian recipes for the Park Slope shop including the waffles, financiers, and croissants.
It's hard to decide what to order when everything looks good, so we asked Colson and Israel for their top 5 items offered at their NYC bakery. Click through the slideshow to see their picks.
Colson Patisserie374 9th Street, Brooklyn, NY 11215 (map) 718.965.6400; colsonpastries.com
About the author: Stef Shapira is is a Texan living in Brooklyn. A food writer and researcher with a master's in food studies, some of Stef's favorite things include dumplings, root beer, and chips. Follow her on twitter @stefontoast


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Hackney Museum
This exciting museum explores the reasons why people have moved to Hackney from all over the world for more than 1000 years. The museum displays include objects, interactives, computer programmes and the stories of real people. There is always something new to see at Hackney Museum in our two temporary exhibition areas with constantly changing displays.
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Tuesday, Wednesday and Friday 9.30 - 5.30
Thursday 9.30 - 8.00
Saturday 10.00 - 5.00
Closed: Sunday, Monday and Bank Holidays
Hackney Museum's collections are broad. They include objects that relate to the local area's history, such as a Saxon log boat which is 1000 years old. We also collect objects that relate to communities' lives in Hackney, such as a set of Vietnamese painted fingernails. Finally we collect objects that relate to communities' lives in their countries of origin, such as a Nigerian catapult.
Collection details
World Cultures, Toys and Hobbies, Social History, Science and Technology, Religion, Photography, Personalities, Natural Sciences, Music, Medicine, Land Transport, Fine Art, Film and Media, Decorative and Applied Art, Costume and Textiles, Archives, Archaeology
Key artists and exhibits
- Anglo Saxon logboat, Jewish Cloth badge and anti-semitic newspaper from Nazi Germany, Dennis Morris Photographs, Tom Hunter photographs, Huguenot silverwear, Eel Pie and Mash Shop, Rachel Whiteread photographs, Victorian fire engine, Vietnamese painted finger nails,
A Resource Pack for Teachers
The pack is aimed at Key Stage 1, 2 and Special Educational Needs (SEN) teachers. It is designed to support a visit to Hackney Museum and contains background information on all the displays. The pack contains an information booklet to guide you through the displays and activities available at the museum, and worksheets, discussion, role-play and photo cards – packed full of good ideas on how to prepare and follow up on your visit.
For a copy of the teachers pack or for information on the free educational workshops designed to compliment the National Curriculum contact the Education Officer on 02083562529.
- Hackney Museum
How to obtain
Call Hackney Museum's Education Officer on 020 8356 2529 or pick one up from the museum front desk.
Hackney Museum
Technology and Learning Centre
1 Reading Lane
Greater London
020 8356 2509
020 8356 3500
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JACKSONVILLE, Fla. - Police say a 16-year-old who accidentally shot himself in the head Friday night at a Westside home has died.
Jacksonville police said they're waiting for the Medical Examiner's report in the death of Zachery Willis as their investigation continues.
Police were called to Willis' home in the 9900 block of Somerset Grove Lane about 11:40 p.m. Friday.
The teen's sister and his close friend said they were at home when Willis was "demonstrating something with a revolver."
They said Willis didn't think the gun was loaded when he pulled the trigger, and the gun backfired. His sister said she carried him to a car to take him to the hospital, but an ambulance arrived and took him to Orange Park Medical Center with life-threatening injuries.
"When he did this on accident, it popped him in the head. We didn't think anything of it at first because we thought he was playing," said an 18-year-old friend who was in the house at the time but did not want to be identified. "He was demonstrating something for us, and then it just all fell in place and he just fell to the floor and started bleeding."
Willis' friends said they are shocked and deeply saddened by his death.
"We pretty much hung out every day. Pretty much everyone around here got to hang out with Zack. He's always walking the streets. [He] has a very good heart," said Justin Hazel, Willis' friend.
Hazel and Karen Torrence, who have known Willis for years, said the teenager was popular at their school.
"He had a lot of friends. A lot of people were here for a candlelight service we had for him. Just everyone was in tears [and] misses him a lot," said Torrence.
"It's hard because it's the good that always go first, but it's rough. Everyone loved him. His heart was strong and it's beating somewhere else today," said Hazel.
Hazel and Torrence said it is difficult accepting the reality that their friend is no longer there for them.
"It's very different not having him around everyday. He was a very friendly guy. He befriended me. Just always had a smile on his face. Just a good kid," said Hazel.
The Willis family will receive friends from 6 to 8 p.m. Thursday at the Archie Tanner Funeral Home on U.S. 301 in Starke. His funeral service will be held at 2 p.m. Friday, at Jacksonville Memory Gardens, 111 Blanding Blvd., Orange Park.
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AssembleRiddles are little poems or phrases that pose a question that needs answering. Riddles frequently rhyme, but this is not a requirement.
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My friend David Merlino who is one half of the famous Pet Duo techno act sent me some information and a wicked cool Cold Wave/EBM DJ Set from DJ Magal.
"This mix is from a very old school DJ from Brazil. Magal was the one who first dropped Ministry, Front 242, Clock DVA @ Hoellisch, a very underground club in downtown Sao Paolo, where i first heard many EBM bands…responsible for my everlasting electronic addiction… Nowadays he is resident at Madame Satã, another underground club but with very dark vibe…think they had A Split Second a few months ago there." – David Merlino
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PHILADELPHIA - The University of Pennsylvania's Director of Athletics, Steve Bilsky, has announced that Jack Wyant will become the University's Head Coach of Squash. Currently the Quakers' women's squash coach -- he will enter his seventh year with that program in 2010-11 -- Wyant will also take over the men's program starting with the 2010-11 season.
"We are excited that Jack has accepted this new challenge," said Bilsky. "He has had a great deal of success overseeing our women's program, and it is our hope that he can achieve similar success overseeing the men's program. Jack is a passionate and proud person, and I have every confidence that he will work hard to put both Penn squash programs among the elite nationally."
"I am excited about the opportunity and anxious to get to work," said Wyant. "I was attracted to the men's coaching position for the same reasons that brought me to Penn in the first place -- the caliber of student-athlete and the opportunity to win. Both of these teams are the priority, and our immediate goal is to put together a staff and plan that will allow us to maximize each team's potential.
"I felt privileged to work alongside Craig (Thorpe-Clark) for six years," Wyant added. "I am so fortunate to have the opportunity to succeed him and I hope that he stays close to the program. He provided stability to the men's program for 11 years, developed many great players, and left a number of very talented athletes."
Also the 2009 US Squash National Coach of the Year, Wyanthas certainly made his mark with the Penn women's squash program. He led the squad to a 13-3 finish and a No. 2 national ranking last year, when the Quakers competed in both the Ivy League title and national championship matches. Kristen Lange earned first-team All-America for the fourth straight year, while classmate Sydney ScottNabilla Ariffin were named second-team All-America. and freshman
In 2007-08, the team had the program's most successful season under Wyant, finishing 15-1 while being crowned Ivy League champions. In addition, the Red and Blue were runners-up for the national championship at the Howe Cup. Wyant returned 12 players including All-America and All-Ivy Alisha Turner, Lange and Scott, who held down the top three spots. Lange reached the final of the CSA Individual Championships for the second year in a row. The Quakers went undefeated in the regular season to clinch the Ivy League title.
Wyant coached the Quakers to a third-place finish in the Ivy League with a 10-4 overall record in 2008-09. Lange was named Ivy League Player of the Year and first-team All-America along with Scott, while Turner was honored as second-team All-America. In 2006-07, Wyant led the finest campaign the Quakers had since their 2000 national championship run, going 10-2 while enjoying time ranked No. 1 in the nation. The season featured three All-America selections in Lange, Paula Pearson and Scott.
In 2005-06 Wyant led the Quakers to a 10-5 overall record and a No. 5 national ranking, and three of his players rack up postseason honors as Radhika Ahluwalia, Pearson and Turner earned All-America honors. Wyant's debut season of 2004-05 saw him lead the Quakers to a No. 6 national ranking. In addition, he coached sophomore Pearson to first-team All-Ivy and second-team All-America honors.
Prior to coming to Penn, Wyant served as the head coach of the girls' squash team at Milton (Mass.) Academy and led them to a 13-0 record that included an 83-8 varsity individual record.
Wyant is no stranger to squash at its highest levels. He was named the head coach of the 2007 United States Junior Women's World Championships team and guided the squad to an eighth place finish in Hong Kong in August, 2007. Most recently, Wyant led the US team to a fourth-place finish at the 2009 World Juniors held in Chennai, India. That matched the best finish in the team's history, and earned Wyant the US Squash National Coach of the Year honor.
Wyant played his collegiate squash at Princeton, where he was the 1992 National Intercollegiate Rookie of the Year, a three-time All-America and four-time All-Ivy honoree. While at Princeton, he was the only three-year captain in the program's 75-year history and helped the Tigers to the 1993 national team title. Wyant twice was awarded the program's George C. McFarland Trophy for Leadership and Sportsmanship. He graduated from Princeton in 1996 with a bachelor's degree in history.
After leaving Princeton, Wyant competed on the Professional Squash Association (PSA) tour for three years. During that time, he played in tournaments in England, Europe and Central America as well as throughout North America. Wyant also had the honor of representing the United States in international competition four times -- twice as a junior and twice as a professional (including the Pan-American Fed Games). He ultimately achieved a ranking of No. 3 in the United States.


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The victim was identified as Sandra Lee Loepp, 37, from Washington Township.
Police say she left Santino's Bar just after 1 a.m. on Sunday and was walking northbound on Old Van Dyke.
Loepp was approximately a half mile north of the bar when she was struck and dragged by a vehicle.
Investigator say the woman's body may have been dislodged from the vehicle by the person who hit her.
The body was found by a passerby in the parking lot of the Washington mobile home park near Van Dyke and 28 Mile Road.
"A vehicle traveling on Van Dyke noticed the body laying in the parking lot there and went and checked it out and gave us a call," said Sheriff Anthony Wickersham.
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Are you running Backtrack inside a Virtual Machine ?
Hi everyone Noob here having fun exploring the limits of my knowledge of BT5. Anyway in trying to paste text from my laptop's clipboard into a newly created document file on BT5 I notice the paste,copy cut etc commands are greyed out. Hmm so am not able to paste in the code. I guess I am doing something pretty silly and obvious here but have not worked it out. Someone kindly come to the rescue with a solution? Thanks. Doc Strange
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Hi Sickness yes I'm running it inside Virtual Box. Doc Strange
Yes I am.
So I have on my BT5/VM enabled 'Bidirectional' for 'Shared Clipboard' & 'Drag & Drop' BUT still not able to copy/drag from Windows 7 into BT5
Next I updated/installed guest additions by typing in my terminal sudo aptitude install virtualbox-guest-additions
That also did not enable me to copy/paste into BT5
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Britney Spears Is 'Criminal': The Pop Star's 10 Most Controversial Moments
Britney Spear's "Criminal" video has already leaked, and boy, is it being talked about! In honor of it, here are Britney's 10 most controversial moments.
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Brit Brit's back in the hot seat! Her latest video "Criminal" set to be released next week has already leaked and is already ripe for controversy. Filmed in London, "Criminal" stars Britney's boyfriend Jason Trawick as the pair Bonnie 'n Clyde it up, committing robberies, making out amidst bullets flying, and have plenty of steamy (and fully naked) shower sex. Not to mention Britney Spears looks ah-mazing! (Psst, she didn't look like that last August when I was only five feet away from her at the VMAs after-party!)
So what's the controversy here? All the nekkid scenes to be sure. Britney also waved a fake gun around in the air in the London borough of Hackney which had been rioted in last August. Spears skipped an apology in favor of stating the facts according to her press reps- the song had been written three years earlier and the video was just a fantasy.
Fantasy or not, the girl can't help it when it comes to being the target for juicy gossip. And even though she gets a lot of crap slung her way, we grew up with Britney and are protective of her. There ARE times though when her tabloid fame speaks volumes. We rounded up a Britney timeline of her most controversial moments.
10. The "…Baby One More Time" Music Video
She made it cool to rock a mini plaid schoolgirl skirt, midriff baring top and pigtails, but because Britney was only 17 when the music video was made, parents complained in droves. I complained too, but my complaints were that it wasn't fair I couldn't dress like Britney too. Then again I was 11 years old. My parents were probably right about this one, even though I won't admit it.
9. The April 1999 Rolling Stone Cover
Oh hey y'all, just hanging out on the cover of Rolling Stone with one of the Teletubbies and in my underwear. No big deal. All teen girls do this, right?
8. The 2000 MTV VMAs Bodysuit Incident
From suiting up to stripping down, Britney got sexy in a hurry at the 2000 MTV VMAs ripping off a suit to reveal a nude sparkly bodysuit underneath. Maybe I'm going too far to call it an "incident" but remember, this was pop music pre-Lady Gaga. Many years down the road, we'd be protesting a dress made out of meat, for 2000 it was just concerned parents (again) worried for Britney's racy attire.
7. The 2001 MTV VMAs Snake Dance
I'm a Snake 4 U! How Britney did this one without being petrified beats me. The performance of her latest hit "I'm a Slave 4 U" at the 2001 MTV VMAs raised eyebrows as Miss Spears did it with an albino python draped on her shoulders and a caged tiger on stage. The performance cost her an anti-fur campaign with PETA.
6. Splitsville with Justin Timberlake
The couple that wears coordinating denim ensembles clearly doesn't stay together. In 2002 after three years, the pair broke up and went their separate ways in peace. Sort of. Justin released "Cry Me a River" which from the looks of the music video featuring a blond Brit lookalike, hinted that she had cheated on him. Britney shot back with the deeply emotional and kinda scary to watch "Everytime." True pop stars: they get back to each other with music.
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No more mysteries: Apple's G5 versus x86, Mac OS X versus Linuxby Johan De Gelas on 6/3/2005 7:48 AM EST
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edchi - Tuesday, June 26, 2007 - link
I haven't tried this yet, but will do tomorrow. Here is what Apple suggests to create a better MySQL installation:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=303...">http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=303... Reply
grantma - Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - linkI found Gnome was a lot more snappy than OS X desktop under Debian PowerPC. You could tell the kernel was far faster using Linux 2.6 - programs would just start immediately. Reply
pecosbill - Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - linkI'm not going to waste my time searching to see if these same comments below were made already, but the summary of them is those who are performance oriented tune their code for a CPU. You can do the same for an OS. Also, the "Big Mac" cluster in VA tech speaks otherwise to raw performance as OS X was the OS of choice. From macintouch.com:
Okay, stop, I have to make an argument about why this article fails, before I explode. MySQL has a disgusting tendency to fork() at random moments, which is bad for performance essentially everywhere but Linux. OS X server includes a version of MySQL that doesn't have this issue.
No real arguments that Power Macs are somewhat behind the times on memory latency, but that's because they're still using PC3200 DDR1 memory from 2003. AMD/Intel chips use DDR2 or Rambus now ... this could be solved without switching CPUs.
The article also goes out of its way to get bad results for PPC. Why are they using an old version of GCC (3.3.x has no autovectorization, much worse performance on non-x86 platforms), then a brand spanking new version of mySQL (see above)? The floating point benchmark was particularly absurd:
"The results are quite interesting. First of all, the gcc compiler isn't very good in vectorizing. With vectorizing, we mean generating SIMD (SSE, Altivec) code. From the numbers, it seems like gcc was only capable of using Altivec in one test, the third one. In this test, the G5 really shows superiority compared to the Opteron and especially the Xeons"
In fact, gcc 3.3 is unable to generate AltiVec code ANYWHERE, except on x86 where they added a special SSE mode because x87 floating point is so miserable. This could have been discovered with about 5 minutes of Google research. It wouldn't had to have been discovered at all if they hadn't gone out of their way to use a compiler which is the non-default on OS X 10.4. Alarm bells should have been going off in the benchmarkers head when an AMD chips outperforms an Intel one by 3x, but, anyway ...
I hate to seem like I'm just blindly defending Apple here, but this article seems to have been written with an agenda. There's no way one guy could stuff this much stuff up. To claim there's something inherently wrong with OS X's ability to be a server is going against so much publicly available information it's not even funny. Notice Apple seems to have no trouble getting Apache to run with Linux-like performance: [Xserve G5 Performance].
Anyway ... on a more serious note, a switch of sorts to x86 may not be a hugely insane idea. IBM's ability to produce a low power G5 part seems to be seriously in question, so for PowerBooks Apple is pretty much running out of options. Worse comes to worst - if they started selling x86-powered portables, that might get IBM to work a bit harder to get them faster desktop chips.
-- "A Macintosh MPEG software developer" Reply
aladdin0tw - Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - linkThis is my first time to see someone use 'ab' command to conduct a test, and trying to tell us something from the test.
In my opinion, ab is never a 'stress test' tool for any reason, especially when you want to conclude some creditable benchmark from this test. If we can accept 'ab', why I have to code so much for a stress test?
The 'localhost' is another problematic area, DNS. Why not using a fixed ip as an address? The first rule of benchmaking is isolated the domain in question, but I can not see you obey these rule. So how can you interpret your result as a performance faulty, not a dns related problem?
I think you should benchmark again, and try some good practices used in software industry.
Aladdin from Taiwan Reply
demuynckr - Sunday, June 12, 2005 - linkjhagman, the number in the apache test table means the request per second that the server handles. Reply
jhagman - Wednesday, June 08, 2005 - linkHi again, demuynckr.
Could you please answer to me, or preferably add the information to the article. What the does the number in the apache test table mean and what kind of a page was loaded?
I assumed that the numbers given were hits per second or transfer rate. I've been testing a bit on my powerbook (although with a lower n) and I can very easily beat the numbers you have. So it is apparent that my assumption was wrong.
BTW, gcc-3.3 on Tiger knows the switch -mcpu=G5 Reply
rubikcube - Wednesday, June 08, 2005 - linkI thought I would post this set of benchmarks for os x on x86 vs. PPC. Even though XBench is a questionable benchmark, it still is capable of vindicating these questions about linux-ppc.
http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2005/06/20050608063... Reply
webflits - Wednesday, June 08, 2005 - link"Yes I have read the article, I also personally compiled the microbenchmarks on linux as well as on the PPC, and I can tell you I used gcc 3.3 on Mac for all compilation needs :)."
I believe you :)
But why my are results I get way higher than the numbers listed in the article? Reply
mongo lloyd - Tuesday, June 07, 2005 - linkAt least the non-ECC RAM, that is. Reply
mongo lloyd - Tuesday, June 07, 2005 - linkAny reason for why you weren't using RAM with lower timings on the x86 processors? Shouldn't there at least have been a disclaimer? Reply
jhagman - Tuesday, June 07, 2005 - linkOK, this clears it up, thanks.
One little thing still, what is the number you are giving in the ab results table? Is it requests per second or perhaps the transfer rate?
demuynckr - Tuesday, June 07, 2005 - linkjhagman:
As i mentioned before, we used gcc 3.3.3 for all linux, and gcc 3.3 mac compiler on apple, because that was the standard one.
I did a second flops test with the gcc 4.0 compiler included on the Tiger cd, and the flops are much better when compiled with the -mcpu=g5 option which did not seem available when using the gcc 3.3 Apple compiler.
As for ab i used these settings,
ab -n 100000 -n x http://localhost/
x for the various concurrencies: 5,20,50,100,150.
spinportal - Monday, June 06, 2005 - linkGuess there's no one arguing that the PPC is not keeping its paces with the current market, but rather OS/X able to do Big Iron computing. And if rumors be true, where will you be able to get a PPC built once Apple drops IBM for Intel?
In a Usenet debate in 93, Torvalds and Tannenbaum go roasting Mach microkernel vs. the death of Linux. Seems Linus' work will be seeing more light of day, and Mach go the way of the dodo. Will Apple rewrite OS/X for Intel x86/64? As far as practical business sense, that's like shooting off one's leg foot. Reply
spinportal - Monday, June 06, 2005 - linkReply
jhagman - Monday, June 06, 2005 - linkCould you please give the exact method of testing apache with ab? It is really hard to try to redo the tests when one does not know which methodology was used. The amount of clients and switches of ab would be appreciated.
Also an answer to why Apple's newest gcc (4.0) was not used would be an interesting one and did you _really_ use gcc 3.3.3 and not Apple's gcc?
Other than these omissions I found the article very interesting, thanks.
demuynckr - Monday, June 06, 2005 - linkYes I have read the article, I also personally compiled the microbenchmarks on linux as well as on the PPC, and I can tell you I used gcc 3.3 on Mac for all compilation needs :). Reply
webflits - Monday, June 06, 2005 - linkdemuynckr, did your read the article?
"So, before we start with application benchmarks, we performed a few micro benchmarks compiled on all platforms with the SAME gcc 3.3.3 compiler. "
BTW I ran the same tests using Apple's version of gcc 3.3
As you can see my 2.0Ghz now beats the 2.5Ghz on 5 of the 8 tests, and a 2.7Ghz G5 would be on par with the Opteron 250 when you extrapolate the results.
Lets face it, Anandtech screwed up by using a crippled compiler for the G5 tests
GCC 3.3/OSX 10.4.1/2.0GHz G5
FLOPS C Program (Double Precision), V2.0 18 Dec 1992
Module Error RunTime MFLOPS
1 4.0146e-13 0.0140 997.2971
2 -1.4166e-13 0.0108 648.4622
3 4.7184e-14 0.0089 1918.5122
4 -1.2546e-13 0.0139 1076.8597
5 -1.3800e-13 0.0312 928.9079
6 3.2374e-13 0.0182 1596.1407
7 -8.4583e-11 0.0348 344.3954
8 3.4855e-13 0.0196 1527.6638
Iterations = 512000000
NullTime (usec) = 0.0004
MFLOPS(4) = 1501.7226 Reply
demuynckr - Monday, June 06, 2005 - linkJust to clear things up: on linux the gcc 3.3.3 was used, on macintosh gcc 3.3 was used (the one that was included with the OS).
Joepublic2 - Monday, June 06, 2005 - linkWow, pixelglow, that's an awesome way to advertise your product. No marketing BS, just numbers! Reply
pixelglow - Sunday, June 05, 2005 - linkI've done a direct comparison of G5 vs. Pentium 4 here. The benchmark is cache-bound, minimal branching, maximal floating point and designed to minimize use of the underlying operating system. It is also single-threaded so there's no significant advantage to dual procs. More importantly it uses Altivec on G5 and SSE/SSE2 on the Pentium 4, and also compares against different compilers including the autovectorizing Intel ICC.
Let the results speak for themselves. Reply
webflits - Sunday, June 05, 2005 - link"From the numbers, it seems like gcc was only capable of using Altivec in one test,"
The Altivec SIMD only supports single (32-bit) precision floating point and the benchmark uses double precision floating point.
webflits - Sunday, June 05, 2005 - linkHere are the resuls on a dual 2.0Ghz G5 running 10.4.1 using the stock Apple gcc 4.0 compiler.
[Session started at 2005-06-05 22:47:52 +0200.]
FLOPS C Program (Double Precision), V2.0 18 Dec 1992
Module Error RunTime MFLOPS
1 4.0146e-13 0.0163 859.4752
2 -1.4166e-13 0.0156 450.0935
3 4.7184e-14 0.0075 2264.2656
4 -1.2546e-13 0.0130 1152.8620
5 -1.3800e-13 0.0276 1051.5730
6 3.2374e-13 0.0180 1609.4871
7 -8.4583e-11 0.0296 405.4409
8 3.4855e-13 0.0200 1498.4641
Iterations = 512000000
NullTime (usec) = 0.0015
frfr - Sunday, June 05, 2005 - linkIf you test a database you have to disable the write cache on the disk on almost any OS unless you don't care about your data. I've read that OS X is an exception because it allows the database software control over it, and that mySql indeed does use this. This would invalidate al your mySql results except for OS X.
Besides all serious database's run on controllers with write cache with batteries (and with the write cache on the disks disabled).
nicksay - Sunday, June 05, 2005 - linkIt is pretty clear that there are a lot of people who want Linux PPC benchmarks. I agree. I also think that if this is to be a "where should I position the G5/Mac OS X combination compared to x86/Linux/Windows" article, you should at least use the default OS X compiler. I got flops.c from http://home.iae.nl/users/mhx/flops.c to do my own test. I have a stock 10.4.1 install on a single 1.6 GHz G5.
In the terminal, I ran:
gcc -DUNIX -fast flops.c -o flops
My results:
FLOPS C Program (Double Precision), V2.0 18 Dec 1992
Module Error RunTime MFLOPS
1 4.0146e-13 0.0228 614.4905
2 -1.4166e-13 0.0124 565.3013
3 4.7184e-14 0.0087 1952.5703
4 -1.2546e-13 0.0135 1109.5877
5 -1.3800e-13 0.0383 757.4925
6 3.2374e-13 0.0220 1320.3769
7 -8.4583e-11 0.0393 305.1391
8 3.4855e-13 0.0238 1258.5012
Iterations = 512000000
NullTime (usec) = 0.0002
A quick add-n-divide gives my system an average result of 985.43243.
985. On a single 1.6 G5.
So, the oldest, slowest PowerMac G5 ever made almost matches a top-of-the-line dual 2.7 G5 system?
To quote, "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark." Or should I say the state of the benchmark? Reply
Eug - Saturday, June 04, 2005 - linkBTW, about the link I posted above:
The guy who wrote that is the creator of the BeOS file system (and who now works for Apple).
It will be interesting to see if this is truly part of the cause of the performance issues.
Also, there is this related thread from a few weeks back on Slashdot:
http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/... Reply
profchaos - Saturday, June 04, 2005 - linkThe statement about Linux kernel modules is incorrect. It is a popular misconception that kernel modules make the Linux kernel something other than purely monolithic. The module loader links module code in kernelspace, not in userspace, the advantage being dynamic control of kernel memory footprint. Although some previously kernelspace subsystems, such as devfs, have been recently rewritten as userspace daemons, such as udev, the Linux kernel is for the most part a fully monolithic design. The theories that fueled the monolithic vs. microkernel flame wars of the mid-90s were nullified by the rapid ramping of single-thread performance relative to memory subsystems. From the perspective of the CPU, it take years for a context switch to occur since modifying kernel data structures in main memory is so slow relative to anything else. Userspace context switching is based on IPC in microkernel designs, and may require several context switches in practice. As you can see from the results, Linux 2.6 wipes the floor with Darwin just the same as it does with several of the BSDs (especially OpenBSD and FreeBSD4.x) and its older cousin Linux 2.4. It's also anyone's guess whether the Linux 2.6 systems were using pthreads (from NPTL) or linuxthreads in glibc. It takes a heavyweight UNIX server system, which today means IBM AIX on POWER, HP-UX on Itanium, or to a lesser degree Solaris on SPARC, to best Linux 2.6 under most server workloads. Reply
Eug - Saturday, June 04, 2005 - linkResponses/Musings from an Apple developer.
They claim that making a new thread is called "forking". No, it's not. Calling fork() is forking, and fork() makes processes, not threads.
They claim that Mac OS X is slower at making threads by benchmarking fork() and exec(). I don't follow this train of thought at all. Making a new process is substantially different from making a new thread, less so on Linux, but very much so on OS X. And, as you can see from their screenshot, there is one mySQL process with 60 threads; neither fork() nor exec() is being called here.
They claim that OS X does not use kernel threads to implement user threads. But of course it does - see for yourself.
/* Create the Mach thread for this thread */
PTHREAD_MACH_CALL(thread_create(mach_task_self(), &kernel_thread), kern_res);
They claim that OS X has to go through "extra layers" and "several threading wrappers" to create a thread. But anyone can see in that source file that a pthread maps pretty directly to a Mach thread, so I'm clueless as to what "extra layers" they're talking about.
They guess a lot about the important performance factors, but they never actually profile mySQL. Why not? Reply
orenb - Saturday, June 04, 2005 - linkThank you for a very interesting article. A follow up on desktop and workstation performance will be very appreciated... :-)
Good job! Reply
seanp789 - Saturday, June 04, 2005 - linkwell thats great and all but yours news says apple is switchign to intel so i dont think much will be changing in the power pc lineup Reply
Brazilian Joe - Saturday, June 04, 2005 - linkI would like to see this Article re-done, with more benches to give a clearer picture. I think MACOS X should be pitched against Darwin in the PPC platform, since there may be hidden differences. Darwin works on x86 too (and x86_64?), it would be very interesting to see the SAME OS under the Mac Platform running on different hardware. And having the software compiled with the same compiler present on Darwin, we should get a more consistent result. Linux and BSD should not be ditched, however. The perfornance difference Of linux/FreeBSD/OpenBSD in PPC vs PC is also a very interesting subject to investigate.
I think this article, along with all the complaints of inconsistency in the results, sohuld fuel a new series of articles: One, Just comparing Darwin/MacOS X on Both platforms. Another For Linux, using a GCC version as close as possible to that used on Darwin. Another for FreeBSD, and yet another for OpenBSD. The last article Would get everything and summarize. I think this would be much more complete and satisfying/informative for the reader crowd. Reply
iljitsch - Saturday, June 04, 2005 - linkThere seems to be considerable confusion between threads and processes in the review. I have no trouble believing that MacOS doesn't do so well with process gymnastics, but considering the way Apple itself leverages threads, I would assume those perform much better.
I don't understand why Apache 1.3 was used here, Apache 2.0 has much better multiprocessor capabilities and would have allowed to test the difference between the request-are-handled-in-processes and requests-are-handled-in-threads ways of doing things. Reply
Phil - Saturday, June 04, 2005 - link#79: Wow. I had no idea that they were actually going to do it, I had assumed that it was typical industry nonsense!
If this is true, then IMHO Apple won't be in much of a better position (with regards to this article) as they'll still need to work on the OS, regardless.
Can anyone speculate as to why they *really* want to switch to x86/Intel? I wonder if they'll consider AMD too... Reply
rorsten - Saturday, June 04, 2005 - linkUhm, the estimation for power consumption is completely wrong. The only significant CMOS power consumption - especially for an SOI chip - is the current required to charge or discharge the gates of the FETs, which only happens when a value changes (the clock accounts for most of the power consumption on a modern synchronous chip). Since we're talking about current only, this is purely resistive power, I^2R style, and since the current is related to the number of transitions per second, increasing the clock rate linearly increases the current which quadratically increases the power consumption. Reply
kamper - Saturday, June 04, 2005 - linkHere's another story about Apple and Intel from cnet:
Interesting in the context of this article but I won't believe it without much more substantial proof :)
+1 on getting a db test using the same os on all architectures whether it be linux or bsd
+1 on fixing the table so that it renders in firefox Reply
shanep - Saturday, June 04, 2005 - linkRe: NetBSD.
Sorry, I just noticed it is not supported yet by NetBSD.
Forget I mentioned it.
shanep - Saturday, June 04, 2005 - link"Wessonality: Our next project if we can keep the G5 long enough in the labs."
How about testing these machines with NetBSD 2.0.2 to keep the hardware comparison on as close an equal footing as possible.
This should mostly remove many red herrings associated with multiple differences in software across different hardware.
michaelok - Saturday, June 04, 2005 - link"i've had for awhile about OS X server handling large numbers of thread. My OS X servers ALWAYS tank hard with lots of open sessions, so i keep them around only for emergencies. T"
Moshe Bar (openMosix) has been an avid Mac follower for years, I see he has a few suggestions for OSX, including ditching the Mach so you can run FreeBSD natively, which has much better peformance. In fact, thread performance is one of FreeBSDs strong points, although Linux has largely caught up.
Also research his Byte articles, you can see how a proper comparison can be done, although he does not claim to be a benchmarking expert.
johannesrexx - Saturday, June 04, 2005 - linkEverybody should use Firefox by default because it's far more secure. Use IE only when you must. Reply
michaelok - Saturday, June 04, 2005 - link"with one benchmark showing that the PowerMac is just a mediocre PC while another shows it off as a supercomputer, the unchallenged king of the personal computer world."
Well, things are a little different when you connect, say, 32768 processors together, i.e. you go from running MySQL to Teradata, so yes, the Power architecture seems to dominate, and the Virginia Tech supercomputer is still up there, at 7th.
" The RISC ISA, which is quite complex and can hardly be called "Reduced" (The R of RISC), provides 32 architectural registers"
'Reduced Instruction Set' is misleading, it actually refers to a design philosophy of using *smaller, simpler* instructions, instead of a single complex instruction. This is to be compared with the Itanium for example, which Intel calls 'EPIC' (Explicit Parallel Instruction Computing), but it is essentially derived from VLIW (Very Long Instruction Word).
Anyway, nice article, certainly much more to discuss here, such as SMT (Simultaneous Multithreading), (when that is available for the Apple :), vs. Intel's Hyperthreading. We'll still be comparing Apples to Oranges but isn't that why everybody buys the Motor Trend articles, i.e. '68 Mustang vs. '68 GT?
psychodad - Saturday, June 04, 2005 - linkI agree. Recently I read a review which pitted macs against pcs using software blatantly optimized for macs. If you have ever used unoptimized software, you will know it. It is slow, often unstable and not at all usable, especially if you're after productivity. Reply
Viditor - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkIntelUser2000 - "about the AMD TDP number, they never state that its max power, they say its maximum power achievable under most circumstances, its not absolute max power"
Not true at all...AMD's datasheet clearly states that it's not only max power, but max theoretical power.
http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/Downl... Reply
trooper11 - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkI think its hard enough comparing a G5 to PC systems. I dont belive there will ever be a 'fair' comparison that satisfies everyone on both sides. There are too few general programs to compare and people will always complain about using or not using optimized apps for either platform. many of the varibles are subjective and the benchmarks to be compared are so heavily debated without a clear answer.
I think this was a good attempt, but I gave up trying to 'fairly' compare the two a long time ago. Anyhting that sheds a bit of light is a good thing, but i never expect an end to the contreversy, too many questions that cant be answered.
I would though love to see the addition of dual core amd chips since they are out there and would be serious competition, of course it would fly in server applications. hopefully the numbers for that could be added in a later article. Reply
psychodad - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkFascinating. You run these tests using a compiler that Apple does not use (unless it is Yellow Dog) against software generally optimized for x86 architectures and you make conclusions. This makes your data tainted (actually biased) and your conclusions faulty. I would suggest that in fairness you make your tests more "real world" by using the software compiled by compilers that the rest of us nontechnical people use on a daily basis. Reply
smitty3268 - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkRosyna:
Oh, I assumed he was using the Apple version of gcc. If not, then I see what you mean. Reply
crimsonson - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkThis article may be moot by Monday
http://tinyurl.com/7ex4v Reply
Garyclaus16 - Friday, June 03, 2005 - link" Oh and the graph on page 5 doesnt display correctly in firefox. "
AND you are using firefox for what reason?...you deserve to view pages incorrectly Reply
Rosyna - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linksmitty3268, that's part of the problem. Almost no one uses GCC 3.3.3 (stock, from the main gcc branch) for Mac OS X development because it really sucks at optimizing for the PPC. On the other hand, OS X was compiled with the Apple shipped GCC 3.3/GCC 4.0. Reply
smitty3268 - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkI think its fair to use the compilers most people are going to be using. That would be gcc on both platforms. As far as autovectorization in 4.0, don't expect very much from it. Obviously it will be better than 3.3, but the real work is being added now in 4.1.
I'll join the other 50 posters who would have liked to see at least 1 page showing the G5's performance under linux compared to OSX. That and maybe a few more real world benchmarks. But your article was very informative and answered a lot of questions. It was frustrating that there really wasn't anything done like this before. Reply
Rosyna - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkActually, for better or worse the GCC Apple includes is being used for most Mac OS X software. OS X itself was compiled with it. Reply
elvisizer - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkrosyna's right.
i'm just not sure if there IS anyway to do the kind of comparison you seem to've been shooting for (pure competition between the chips with as little else affecting the outcome as possible). you could use the 'special' compilers on each platform, but those aren't used for compiling most of the binaries you buy at compusa. Reply
elvisizer - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkwhy didn't you run some tests with YD linux on the g5?!?!?!?!?!?!? you could've answered the questions you posed yourself!!!!!
and you definitly should've included after effects. "we don't have access to that software" what the heck is THAT about?? you can get your hands on a dual 3.6 xeon machine, a dual 2.5 gr, and adual 2.7 g5, and you can't buy a freaking piece of adobe software at retail?!?!?!?!?!
some seroiusly weird decisions being made here.
other than that, the article was ok. re-confirmed suspicions i've had for awhile about OS X server handling large numbers of thread. My OS X servers ALWAYS tank hard with lots of open sessions, so i keep them around only for emergencies. They are so very easy to admin, tho, they're still attractive to me for small workgroup sizes. like last month, I had to support 8 people working on a daily magazine being published at e3. litterally inside the convention center. os x server was perfect in that situation. Reply
Rosyna - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkThere appears to be either a typo or a horrible flaw in the test. It says you used GCC 3.3.3 but OS X comes with gcc version 3.3 20030304 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 1809).
If you did use GCC 3.3.3 then you were giving the PPC a severe disadvantage as the stock GCC has almost no optimizations for PPC while it has many for x86. Reply
Eug - Friday, June 03, 2005 - link"But do you really think that Oracle would migrate to this if it wasn't on a par?"
[Eug dons computer geek wannabe hat]
There are lots of reasons to migrate, and I'm sure absolute performance isn't always the primary concern. We won't know the real performance until we actually see tests on Oracle/Sybase.
My uneducated guess is that they won't be anywhere near as bad as the artifical server benches might suggest, but OTOH, I could easily see Linux on G5 significantly besting OS X on G5 for this type of stuff.
ie. The most interesting test I'd like to see is Oracle on the G5, with both OS X and Linux, compared to Xeon and Opteron with Linux.
And yeah, it would be interesting to see what gcc 4 brings to the table, since 3.3 provides no autovectorization at all. It would also be interesting to see how xlc/xlf does, although that doesn't provide autovectorization either. Where are the autovectorizing IBM compilers that were supposed to come out??? Reply
melgross - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkAs none of us has actual experiance with this, none of us can say yes or no.
But do you really think that Oracle would migrate to this if it wasn't on a par? After all Ellison isn't on Apple's board anymore, so there's nothing to prove there.
I also remember that going back to Apple's G4 XServes, their performance was better than the x86 crowd, and the Sun servers as well. Those tests were on several sites. Been a while though. Reply
JohanAnandtech - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkquerymc: Yes, you are right. The --noaltivec flag and the comment that altivec was enabled by default in the gcc 3.3.3 compiler docs made me believe there is autovectorization (or at least "scalarisation"). As I wrote in the article we used -O2 and and then tried a bucket load of other options like --fast-math --mtune=G5 and others I don't remember anymore but it didn't make any big difference. Reply
querymc - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkThe SSE support would probably also be improved by using GCC 4 with autovectorization, I should note. There's a reason it does poorly in GCC 3. :) Reply
querymc - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkJohan: I didn't see this the first time through, but you need to make a slight clarification to the floating point stuff. There is no autovectorization capability in GCC 3.3. None. There is limited support for SSE, but that is not quite the same, as SSE isn't SIMD to the extent that AltiVec is. If you want to use the AltiVec unit in otherwise unaltered benchmarks, you don't have a choice other than GCC 4 (and you need to pass a special flag to turn it on).
Also, what compiler flags did you pass on each platform? For example, did you use --fast-math? Reply
JohanAnandtech - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkMelgross: Apple told me that most xserves in europe are sold as "do it all". A little webserver (apache), a database sybase, samba and so on. They didn't have any client who had heavy traffic on the webserver, so nobody complains.
Sybase/oracle seems to have done quite a bit of work to get good performance out of Mac OS-x, so it must be interesting to see how they managed to solve those problems. But I am sceptical that Oracle/Sybase runs faster on Mac OS x than on Linux. Reply
Icehawk - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkInteresting stuff. I'd like to see more data too. Mmm Solaris.
Unfortunately the diagrams weren't labeled for the most part (in terms of "higher is better") making it difficult to determine the results.
And the whole not displaying on FF properly... come on. Reply
NetMavrik - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkYou can say that again! NT shares a whole lot more than just similarites to VMS. There are entire structures that are copied straight from VMS. I think most people have forgotten or never knew what "NT" stood for anyway. Take VMS, increment each letter by one, and you get WNT! New Technology my a$$. Reply
Guspaz - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkGood article. But I'd like to see it re-done with the optimal compiler per-platform, and I'd like to see PowerPC Linux used to confirm that OSX is the cause of the slow MySQL performance. Reply
melgross - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkI was just thinking back about this and remembered something I've seen
Computerworld has had articles over the past two years or so about companies who have gone to XServes. They are using them with Apache, SYbase or Oracle. I don't remember any complaints about performance.
Also Oracle itself went to XServes for its own datacenter. Do you think they would have done that if performance was bad? They even stated that the performance was very good.
Something here seems screwed up. Reply
brownba - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkjohan, i always appreciate your articles.
you've been /.'d !!!!
and anandtech is holding up well.
good job Reply
bostrov - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkSince so much effort went in to vector facilities and instruction sets ever since the P54 days, shouldn't "best effort" on each CPU be used (use the IBM compiler on G5 and the Intel compiler on x86) - by using gcc you're using an almost artifically bad compiler and there is no guarantee that gcc will provide equivilant optimizations for each platform anyway.
I think it'd be very interesting to see an article with the very best available compilers on each platform running the benchmarks.
Incidently, intel C with the vector instruction sets disabled still does better.
JohanAnandtech - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkbostrov: because the Intel compiler is superb at vectorizing code. I am testing x87 FPU and gcc, you are testing SSE-2 performance with the Intel compiler. Reply
JohanAnandtech - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkminsctdp: A typo which happened during final proofread. All my original tables say 990 MB/s. Fixed now. Reply
bostrov - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkMy own results for flops 2.0: (compiled with Intel C 8.1, 3.2 Ghz Prescott with 160 Mhz - 5:4 ratio - FSB)
FLOPS C Program (Double Precision), V2.0 18 Dec 1992
Module Error RunTime MFLOPS
1 1.7764e-013 0.0109 1288.7451
2 -1.4166e-013 0.0082 852.7242
3 8.1046e-015 0.0067 2531.7045
4 9.0483e-014 0.0052 2858.2062
5 -6.2061e-014 0.0140 2065.6650
6 3.3640e-014 0.0100 2906.2439
7 -5.7980e-012 0.0327 366.4559
8 3.7692e-014 0.0111 2700.8968
Iterations = 512000000
NullTime (usec) = 0.0000
Why are the anandtech results so poor?
melgross - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkI thought that GCC comes with Tiger. I have read Apple's own info, and it definitely mentions GCC 4. Perhaps that would help the vectorization process.
Altivec is such an important part of the processor and the performance of the machine that I would like to see properly written code used to compare these machines. Reply
Reflex - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkNT was designed primarily by Dave Cutler, who was one of the guys behind VMS at DEC. NT is not based on Mach and has no relation to it, although it shares some similarities with BSD and VMS. Reply
tfranzese - Friday, June 03, 2005 - link#35, Apple's platform uses HT links (don't ask me specifics). Reply
minsctdp - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkWhat's with the 24 MB/s memory write time on the Xeon, vs. nearly 2GB/s for the others? Looks bogus. Reply
querymc - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkI'd still like to see a Linux on G5 test. Without one, we still don't know for sure whether the bad performance is due to OS X or the hardware. And it's definitely useful for G5 owners to know whether they can expect Linux to improve server performance. Reply
querymc - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkNT is not built on Mach. NT itself was originally a microkernel-based OS, derived from the design of DEC's VMS OS via the lead architect of both, Dave Cutler. It's currently very monolithic, a bit more than OS X because they stuffed a lot of userspace cruft from Windows 9X in the XP kernel for binary compatibility.
Rick Rashid(sp?) was one of the co-developers of Mach, and he went to Microsoft, which is probably what OddTSI is referring to. I don't recall whether he went to research or the OS group, though. Either way, NT has no Mach code and does not share Mach's design. Reply
Netopia - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkOddTSI (Poster 37)-- Do you have any supporting data for saying that NT is built on Mach?
Joe Reply
AluminumStudios - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkIntersting article. I wish you hadn't left out AfterEffects though because I use it heavily and I'd love to see a comparison between the Mac and x86 on it. Reply
OddTSi - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkThere's a semi-big error in your discussion on page 7. NT (and the subsequent Windows OSes based on it) is NOT a monolithic OS. In fact NT is BASED ON MACH. The main developer for the Mach micro-kernel was one of the lead developers of NT. Reply
octanelover - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkI think it would be interesting, on the server side of things, to include Solaris 10 on Opteron in your benchmark list. Seeing as how Solaris is still a major player in the server world it would be nice to see how it fares along with Linux and Mac OSX.
By the way, this article, IMHO, is darn near groundbreaking. Excellent work and very illuminating. Reply
exdeath - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkAnd before we talk about 10 Gb/sec busses, don't forget the Opteron can have like what 3 HT channels?
And Hyper Transport specs allow for 22 GB/sec per channel (11 GB/sec bidirectional?) Reply
exdeath - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkWow look at a 2.4 GHz Opteron clean house.
I'd like to see what a 2.6 GHz FX-55 with unregistered memory would do ;) I'll be fair and say keep it at 2.6 GHz stock ;) Reply
bersl2 - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkRight. GCC 4.0 has an all new optimization framework, including autovectorization:
http://gcc.gnu.org/projects/tree-ssa/vectorization... Reply
Pannenkoek - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkIt is well known that GCC 3.3 can't vectorize code. However, GCC 4 should be able to, eventually if not already.
The small cache of the G5 would hamper its server performance I'd reckon, regardless of other factors. Reply
jimbailey - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkI'm curious if you rebuilt Apache and MySQL from source. Apple has added significant amount of optimization to gcc and I would love to know if it has been included in this test. I don't doubt the results though. The trade off for using the Mach micro-kernel is well known. Reply
rubikcube - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkJohan, I agree that all the facts point to your conclusions being accurate. I would bet all the money in the world that you are correct. However, this hypothesis is easily confirmed by running mysql on a G5 running linux. Reply
Olaf van der Spek - Friday, June 03, 2005 - link> In Unix, this is done with a Syscall, and it results in two context switches (the CPU has to swap out one process for another)
Does it?
As far as I know it doesn't. The page tables don't need to be swapped and neither does the CPU state. The CPU gets access to the kernel-data because it goes to kernel-mode, but that doesn't require a full context switch I think. Reply
WileCoyote - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkTough crowd... Reply
Eug - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkOf the stuff I understand, I agree with your conclusions, but I think it's reasonable to state that running Linux on the G5 yourself would have been the most definitive test.
Anyways, I like fusion food. :) Reply
cHodAXUK - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkGreat article, very educational read and it was very interesting to see what is holding the G5 back. IBM/Apple really need to address these issues, people are paying alot of money for G5's that are dilvering nowhere near the level of performance that they *theoretically* should be. Reply
Netopia - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkWOW... great article.
I too would like to see Yellow Dog (Or FC4) loaded on the G5 for a true head-to-head. I hope you have the time with the box to get 'er done!
Joe Reply
tfranzese - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkKind of snappy there Johan.
I do prefer numbers coming from one source myself. Reply
JohanAnandtech - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkRubikcube: Speculative? Firstly, Both a webserver and a database server show terrible performance. Secondly, LMbench shows there is definitely a problem with creating threads. So everything point into our "speculative" conclusion.
Thirdly, as mentioned in an earlier post:
is another indication that there is nothing speculative about our conclusion.
rubikcube - Friday, June 03, 2005 - link#21 I disagree. Most of the end of the article on the threading problems was speculative. We can't say that's the cause without actual testing. Reply
Jalf - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkTo those wanting a Linux on G5 test, keep in mind the entire purpose of this article. It was to test the performance of a Mac computer running a Mac OS, compared to a Intel/AMD PC.
So while installing Linux on the G5 would give us a better idea of how the CPU itself performs, it would also leave out the huge effect the OS also has (You wouldn't have seen the huge performance problems with threading, for example.) Reply
Jalf - Friday, June 03, 2005 - link#11: Not true, if you browse AMD's documentation for a bit, they do say that their TDP *is* the absolute max power.
Intel uses the "maximum power achievable under most circumstances"-method though. Reply
rubikcube - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkI agree that linux should have been used for a more normalized comparison. I also think that you should have tried running your mysql tests from darwin on x86. You might have been able to find the cause of the performance anomalies. Reply
Sabresiberian - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkI find it hilarious that someone calling him- or herself 'porkster' is complaining about someone else's language :)
Apple's computers have made their fame on their user-friendliness, so I think it is very appropriate to compare these computers with OSX on the Apples, as that's where the user-friendliness resides and both OSes are in the same family. It would have been fun to compare using the 64 bit Win XP Pro - I bet we would all get a good laugh out of that. Microsoft is determined, I think, to make a Linux man out of me yet :)
kresek - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkwaiting for AnandTech's YDL results, have a look at this:
http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-yd... Reply
SMOG - Friday, June 03, 2005 - link#13 Thresher: "When it comes down to it, performance is important, but not the only reason people buy what they buy. I would say more often than not, the decision is made with only a modicum of logic."
Your right, and those people didn't read this article, at best they read the first page then skipped to the last to see if he bashed Apple or not. This article was for those who want to know just what the power of the PowerPC actually is. This is a technical artical, not a buyers guide. This is science.
Good Job. Reply
CU - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkYou mentioned most people don't use the Intel compiler, but it would have been nice to see it and also the windows compiler and the ibm compiler. Reply
michael2k - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkWell, it shouts to stay away from the XServe unless you happen to have vectorizable code that you have the resources to properly vectorize! Reply
erwos - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkExcellent comparison of the platforms, although I actually wish they would have spent more time analyzing the graphs.
Like the others, I would have liked to see a G5 / Linux benchmark (now that FC4 has a PPC version, you could run a fairly reasonable one), but I do admit it's not a very popular option compared to x86. My curiosity is whether MacOS X is the problem, or whether it's some sort of issue with the CPU itself. Seems unlikely the G5 would have such a fundamental flaw, but it does shout to stay the hell away from the Xserve until these issues are resolved.
-Erwos Reply
Thresher - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkAs the owner of intel, AMD, and Mac based computers, I have to say this is one of the best and most thorough comparisons I've seen.
You did an excellent job of isolating CPU and OS performance.
That being said, if performance were the only indicator, there is no doubt in my mind that AMD would be ruling the roost. However, personal preferences come into play to a great deal. Businesses like the reputation behind intel. I prefer the usability of Mac OS X. People have strong feelings about Microsoft that may color their decisions.
When it comes down to it, performance is important, but not the only reason people buy what they buy. I would say more often than not, the decision is made with only a modicum of logic. Reply
Cruise51 - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkI'd be interested in seeing how it performs on yellowdog aswell. Reply
IntelUser2000 - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkPeople, in case some of you misunderstand, the 10.8GB/sec Full Duplex bus means that its two 32-bit 1350MHz bus, rather than one 64-bit bus in the PCs. Its not, 10.8GB/sec x 2 =21.6GB/sec bus, its 10.8GB/sec bus(or more correctly stated 5.4GB/sec x 2). Plus, it says in Apple site that it has TWO(yes two!!!) of the 10.8GB/sec buses, per CPU.
Summary: Per CPU=10.8GB/sec
Per Dual Processor System=21.6GB/sec
Johan, about the AMD TDP number, they never state that its max power, they say its maximum power achievable under most circumstances, its not absolute max power. Reply
JohanAnandtech - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkPorkster: It is a little geekisch Unix joke. Where is your geekish you man spirit?
Wessonality: Our next project if we can keep the G5 long enough in the labs.
Ailleur2: indeed, I agree. The G5 is a potent CPU with a lot of potential. Just give it a bigger L2 and a better memory subsystem. This is an architecture that could last very long by applying a few tweaks, like the P6.
Methodical: All of the benchmarks are trustworthy, they should be looked upon as a whole to get a good picture, not just pick one. About After affects, I indicate that the G5 does very well here (seen other reports on the web), I just didn't have the software in the lab.
I also warned that this was not about "should I buy an Apple or not?". It is just "if performance is what counts for me, where should I position the G5/Mac os X combiantion compared to x86/Linux/Windows ?".
StuckMojo - Friday, June 03, 2005 - link
hmph. you say it yourself in the last paragraph...how come you didn't try it? Reply
StuckMojo - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkyes, it seems you've left out a very good method of testing if OSX is the issue: run a powerPC linux distro with the mysql and apache benchmarks and see what happens!
i'd be _really_ interested in the results. see if you can update the article with them. Reply
porkster - Friday, June 03, 2005 - link"Root Me" in Australian slang is the same as "Fxxk Me" in common language. Some people my find a picture in this review offensive. Reply
wessonality - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkWhat about installing Yellow Dog Linux on the XServe? Reply
wessonality - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkReply
ailleur2 - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkOh and the graph on page 5 doesnt display correctly in firefox. Reply
ailleur2 - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkWell that was interesting.
Im a big apple fan myself but even i never thought od putting osx server in a server room.
I think the g5 did quite well and had IBM delivered its promise of a 3ghz g5 (and that was supposed to be a year ago) the g5 would have won a couple of tests by a good margin.
If apple/IBM want altivec optimisations, i think theyll have to do it themselves since the interest level is pretty low.
One question though, why wasnt linux installed of the g5 if this was a cpu test? I dont know if it makes a damn of a difference but it whould have put them on equal bases. Reply
Methodical - Friday, June 03, 2005 - linkI like anands articles way better.
Your drawing too many conclusions off of data you basically call untrustworthy, but I agree your basic conclusion. The OS still needs more work.
I really think leaving out After Effects was a bad idea. Its a perfect benchmark. Plugins that do the exact same calculations on the exact same workfiles. Its also one of the biggest things these macs are used for, but I understand your article to be a bit more server-oriented. Reply


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WINNERS of the Duplicate Pairs competition on June 24 at Bridgwater Bridge Club were John Curry and partner Richard Tempest.
Ralph Sealey and Ray Harris were runners-up.
There was success for Ernie Whitehead and Tony French on June 17 with 65 per cent. Second were Grant Weston and John Scott with 59 per cent.
The club meets every Tuesday evening throughout the year.
Phone John Tucker 01278-6761284 for more information.
The club would always welcome new players.