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The Great Equalizer 3: How Fast is Your Smartphone/Tablet in PC GPU Termsby Anand Lal Shimpi on 4/4/2013 1:00 AM EST
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ChronoReverse - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkVery interesting article. I've been wondering where the current phone GPUs stood compared to desktop GPUs Reply
krumme - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - link+1
Anand sticking to the subject and diving into details and at the same time giving perspective is great work!
I dont know if i buy the convergence thinking on the technical side, because from here it look like people is just buying more smatphones and far less desktop. The convergence is there a little bit, but i will see the battle on the field before it gets really intereting. Atom is not yet ready for phones and bobcat is not ready for tablets. When they get there, where are arm then?
I put my money on arm :) Reply
kyuu - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkIf Atom is ready for tablets, then Bobcat is more than ready. The Z-60 may only have one design win (in the Vizio Tablet PC), but it should deliver comparable (if not somewhat superior) CPU performance with much, much better GPU performance. Reply
zeo - Tuesday, April 16, 2013 - linkUh, no... The Hondo Z-60 is basically just an update to the Desna, which itself was derived from the AMD Fusion/Brazos Ontario C-50.
While it is true that Bobcats are superior to ATOM processors for equivalent clock speeds. The problem is AMD has to deal with higher power consumption and that generates more heat, which in turn forces them to lower the max clock speed... especially, if they want to offer anywhere near competitive run times.
So the Bobcat cores for the Z-60 are only running at 1GHz, while Clover Trail ATOM is running at 1.8GHz (Clover Trail+ even goes up to 2GHz for the Z2580, that that version is only for Android devices). The differences in processor efficiency is overcome by just a few hundred MHz difference in clock speed.
Meaning you actually get more CPU performance from Clover Trail than you would a Hondo... However, where AMD holds dominance over Intel is in graphical performance and while Clover Trail does provide about 3x better performance than previous GMA 3150 (back in the netbook days of Pine Trail ATOM) it is still about 3x less powerful as the Hondo graphical performance.
Only other problems is Hondo only slightly improves power consumption compared to the previous Desna, down to about 4.79W max TDP though that is at least nearly half of the original C-50 9W...
However, keep in mind Clover Trail is a 1.7W part and all models are fan-less but Hondo models will continue to require fans.
While AMD also doesn't offer anything like Intel's advance S0i Power Management that allows for ARM like extreme low mw idling states and allowing for features like always connected standby.
So the main reason to get a Hondo tablet is because it'll likely offer better Linux support, which is presently virtually non-existent for Intel's present 32nm SoC ATOMs, and the better graphical performance if you want to play some low end but still pretty good games.
It's the upcoming 28nm Temash that you should keep a eye out for, being AMD's first SoC that can go fan-less for the dual core version and while the quad core version will need a fan, it will offer a Turbo docking feature that lets it go into a much higher 14W max TDP power mode that will provide near Ultrabook level performance... Though the dock will require an additional battery and additional fans to support the feature.
Intel won't be able to counter Temash until their 22nm Bay Trail update comes out, though that'll be just months later as Bay Trail is due to start shipping around September of this year and may be in products in time for the holiday shopping season. Reply
Speedfriend - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkAtom is not yet ready for phones?
It is in several phones already, where it delivers a strong performance from a CPU and power consumption perspective. It's weak point is the GPU from Imagination. In two years time, ARM will be a distant memory in high-end tablets and possibly high-end smartphones too, even more so if we get advances in battery technology. Reply
krumme - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkWell Atom is in several phones that do not sell in any meaningfull matter. Sure there will be x86 in high-end tablets, and jaguar will make sure that happens this year, but will those tablets matter? There is ARM servers also. Do they matter?
Right now there is sold tons of cheap 40nm A9 products, the consumers is just about to get into 28nm quadcore A7 at 2mm2 for the cpu part. And they are ready for cheap, slim phones, with google play, and acceptable graphics performance for templerun 2. Reply
Wilco1 - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkAlso note that despite Anand making the odd "Given that most of the ARM based CPU competitors tend to be a bit slower than Atom" claim, the Atom 2760 in the Vivo Tab Smart scores consistently the worst on both the CPU and GPU tests. Even Surface RT with low clocked A9's beats it. That means Atom is not even tablet-ready... Reply
kyuu - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkThe Atom scores worse in 3DMark's physics test, yes. But any other CPU benchmark I've seen has always favored Clover Trail over any A9-based ARM SoC. A15 can give the Atom a run for its money, though. Reply
Wilco1 - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkWell I haven't seen Atom beat an A9 at similar frequencies except perhaps SunSpider (a browser test, not a CPU test). On native CPU benchmarks like Geekbench Atom is well behind A9 even when you compare 2 cores/4 threads with 2 cores/2 threads. Reply
kyuu - Friday, April 05, 2013 - linkAt similar frequencies? What does that matter? If Atom can run at 1.8GHz while still being more power efficient than Tegra 3 at 1.3GHz, then that's called -- advantage: Atom.
DId you read the reviews of Clover Trail when it came out?
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6529/busting-the-x86... Reply
Wilco1 - Friday, April 05, 2013 - linkYes frequency still matters. Surface RT looks bad because MS chose the lowest frequency. If they had used the 1.7GHz Tegra 3 instead then Surface RT would look a lot more competitive just because of the frequency.
So my point stands and is confirmed by your link: at similar frequencies Tegra 3 beats the Z-2760 even on SunSpider. Reply
tech4real - Friday, April 05, 2013 - linkbut why do we have to compare them at similar frequencies? one of atom's strength is working at high freq within thermal budget. If tegra 3 can't hit 2GHz within power budget, it's nvidia/arm's problem. why should atom bother to downclock itself. Reply
Wilco1 - Friday, April 05, 2013 - linkThere is no need to clock the Atom down - typical A9-based tablets are at 1.6 or 1.7GHz. Yes an Z-2760 beats a 1.3GHz Tegra 3 on SunSpider, but that's not true for Cortex-A9's used today (Tegra 3 goes up to 1.7GHz, Exynos 4 does 1.6GHz), let alone future ones. So it's incorrect to claim that Atom is generally faster than A9 - that implies Atom has an IPC advantage (which it does not have - it only wins if it has a big frequency advantage). I believe MS made a mistake by choosing the slowest Tegra 3 for Surface RT as it gives RT as well as Tegra a bad name - hopefully they fix this in the next version.
Beating an old low clocked Tegra 3 on performance/power is not all that difficult, however beating more modern SoCs is a different matter. Pretty much all ARM SoCs are already at 28 or 32nm, while Tegra 3 is still 40nm. That will finally change with Tegra 4. Reply
tech4real - Sunday, April 07, 2013 - linkBased on this anand article
the linearly projected 1.7GHz Tegra 3 specint2000 score is about 1.12, while the 1.8Ghz atom stands at 1.20, so the gap is still there. If you consider 2GHz atom turbo case, we can argue the gap is even wider. Of course since this specint data is provided by intel, we have to take it with a grain of salt, but i think the general idea has its merit. Reply
Wilco1 - Monday, April 08, 2013 - linkThose are Intel marketing numbers indeed - Intel uses compiler tricks to get good SPEC results, and this doesn't translate to real world performance or help Atom when you use a different compiler (Android uses GCC, Windows uses VC++).
Geekbench gives a better idea of CPU performance:
A 1.6GHz Exynos 4412 soundly thrases the Z-2760 at 1.8GHz on the integer, FP and memory performance. Atom only wins the Stream test. Before you go "but but Atom has only 2 cores!", it has 4 threads, so it is comparable with 4 cores, and in any case it loses all but 3 single thread benchmarks despite having a 12.5% frequency advantage.
There are also several benchmark runs by Phoronix which test older Atoms against various ARM SoCs using the same Linux kernel and GCC compiler across a big test suite of benchmarks which come to the same conclusion. This is what I base my opinion of, not some Intel marketing scores blessed by Anand or some rubbish Javascript benchmark. Reply
tech4real - Wednesday, April 10, 2013 - linkCross ISA cross platform benchmarking is a daunting task to be done fairly, or at least trying to :-)
SPEC benchmark has established its position after many years of tuning, and I think most people would prefer using it to gauge processor performance. If samsung or nvidia believe they can do a better job to showcase their CPUs than Intel(which I totally expect they could do better, after all it doesn't make sense for intel to spend time tuning its competitors' products), they can publish their SPEC scores. However in the absence of that, it's very hard to argue samsung/nvidia/arm has a better performing product. Remember "the worst way to lose a fight is by not showing up".
I don't have much knowledge of these new benchmark suites, and they may well be decent, but it takes time to mature and gain professional acceptance.
A past example of taking hobby benchmarks on face value too seriously is: back in early 2011, nvidia showed a tegra 3 is performing on the same level as(or faster than?) core 2 duo T7200 under CoreMarks. Needless to say, now we all know tegra 3 in real life is around atom level performance. This shows there is a reason we have and need a benchmark suite like SPEC. Reply
Wilco1 - Sunday, April 14, 2013 - linkSPEC is hardly used outside high-end server CPUs (it's difficult to even run SPEC on a mobile phone due to memory and storage constraints). However the main issue is that Intel has tuned its compiler to SPEC, giving it an unfair advantage. Using GCC results in a much lower score. The funny thing is, GCC typically wins on real applications (I know because I have done those comparisons). That makes Intel's SPEC scores useless as an indication of actual CPU speed in real world scenarios. Yes, ARM, NVidia, Samsung etc could tune GCC in the same way by pouring in 10's of millions over many years (it really takes that much effort). But does it really make sense to use compiler tricks to pretend you are faster?
The NVidia T7200 claim was based on a public result on the EEMBC website that was run by someone else. It used an old GCC version with non-optimal settings. However for the Tegra score they used a newer version of GCC, giving it an unfair advantage. Same thing as with Intel's SPEC scores... This shows how much CPU performance is affected by compiler and settings. Reply
theduckofdeath - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkThat is not true. A few months ago Anandtech themselves made a direct comparison between the Tegra 3 in the Surface tablet and an Atom processor, and the Atom beat the Tegra 3 both on performance and power efficiency. Reply
Wilco1 - Friday, April 05, 2013 - linkI was talking about similar frequencies - did you read what I said? Yes the first Surface RT is a bit of a disappointment due to the low clocked Tegra 3, but hopefully MS will use a better SoC in the next version. Tegra 4(+) or Exynos Octa would make it shine. We can then see how Atom does against that. Reply
SlyNine - Saturday, April 06, 2013 - linkNobody cares if the frequencies are different, if one performs better and uses less power that's a win; REGARDLESS OF FREQUENCY.
Give one good reason, that matters to the consumer and manufacture, for frequencies being an important factor. Reply
pSupaNova - Sunday, April 07, 2013 - linkYour not listening to what Wilco1 is saying.
Microsoft used a poor Tegra 3 part, the HTC One X+ ships with a Tegra 3 clocked at 1.7ghz.
So by Anand comparing the Atom based tabs to the Surface RT it puts Intel chip in a much better light. Reply
zeo - Tuesday, April 16, 2013 - linkIncorrect, Wilco1 is ignoring the differences in the SoCs. The Tegra 3 is a quad core and that means it can have up to 50% more performance than a equivalent dual core.
While the Clover Trail is only a dual core... so while the clock speed may favor the ATOM, the number of cores favors the Tegra 3.
It doesn't help that the ATOM still wins the run time tests as well. So overall efficiency is clearly in the ATOMs favor. While needing a quad core to beat a dual core still means the ATOM has better performance per core!
Not that it matters much as Intel is set to upgrade the ATOM to Bay Trail by the end of the year, which promises to up to double CPU performance, along with going up to quad cores) and triple GPU compared to the present Clover Trail.
While also going full 64bit and offering up to 8GB of RAM... Something ARM won't do till about the later half of 2014 at earliest and Nvidia specifically won't do until the Tegra 6... with Tegra 4 yet to come out yet in actual products now... Reply
nofumble62 - Friday, April 05, 2013 - linkLTE is not available on Intel platform yet, that is why they don't offer in US. But I heard the new Intel LTE chip is pretty good (won award), so next year will be interesting.
The ARM Big cores suck up a lot of power when they are running. That is the reason Qualcomm SnapDragon is winning the latest Samsung S4 (over Samsung own Enoxys chip) and Nexus 7 (over Nvidia Tegra). Reply
Spunjji - Friday, April 05, 2013 - linkNvidia Tegra's not really ready for the new Nexus 7, so it's not entirely fair to say it's out because of power issues. When you consider that the S4 situation you described isn't strictly true either (if I buy an S4 here in the UK it's going to have the Exynos chip in it) it tends to harm your conclusion a bit. Reply
zeo - Tuesday, April 16, 2013 - linkLTE will be introduced with the XMM 7160, which will be an optional addition to the Clover Trail+ series that's starting to come out now... Lenovo's K900 being one of the first design wins that has already been announced.
MWC 2013 showed the K900 off with the 2GHz Z2580, which ups the GMA to dual 544 PowerVR GPUs at 533MHz... So they showcased it running some games and demos like Epic Citadel at the full 1080P and max FPS that demo allows.
Only issue is the LTE is not integrated into the SoC... so won't be as power efficient as the other ARM solutions that are coming out with integrated LTE... at least for the LTE part... Reply
WaltC - Friday, April 05, 2013 - linkUnfortunately, that's not what this article delivers. It doesn't tell you a thing about current desktop gpu performance versus current ARM performance. What it does is tell you about how obsolete cpus & gpus from roughly TEN YEARS AGO look like against state-of-the-art cell-phone and iPad ARM running a few isolated 3d Mark graphics tests. What a disappointment. Nobody's even using these desktop cpus & gpus anymore. All this article does is show you how poorly ARM-powered mobile devices do when stacked up against common PC technology a decade ago! (That's assuming one assumes the 3dMark tests used here, such as they are, are actually representative of anything.) AH, if only he had simply used state-of-the-art desktops & cpus to compare with state-of-the-art ARM devices--well, the ARM stuff would have been crushed by such a wide margin it would astound most people. Why *would you* compare current ARM tech with decade-old desktop cpus & gpus? Beats me. Trying to make ARM look better than it has any right to look? Maybe in the future Anand will use a current desktop for his comparison, such as it is. Right now, the article provides no useful information--unless you like learning about really old x86 desktop technology that's been hobbled...;)
To be fair, in the end Anand does admit that current ARM horsepower is roughly on a par with ~10-year-old desktop technology IF you don't talk about bandwidth or add it into the equation--in which case the ARMs don't even do well enough to stand up to 10-year-old commonplace cpu & gpu technology. So what was the point of this article? Again, beats me, as the comparisons aren't relevant because nobody is using that old desktop stuff anymore--they're running newer technology from ~5 years old to brand new--and it runs rings around the old desktop nVidia gpus Anand used for this article.
BTW, and I'm sure Anand is aware of this, you can take DX11.1 gpus and run DX9-level software on them just fine (or OpenGL 3.x-level software, too.) Comments like this are baffling: "While compute power has definitely kept up (as has memory capacity), memory bandwidth is no where near as good as it was on even low end to mainstream cards from that time period." What's "kept up" with what? It sure isn't ARM technology as deployed in mobile devices--unless you want to count reaching ~decade-old x86 "compute power" levels (sans real gpu bandwidth) as "keeping up." I sure wouldn't say that.
Neither Intel or AMD will be sitting still on the x86 desktop, so I'd imagine the current performance advantage (huge) of x86 over ARM will continue to hold if not to grow even wider as time moves on. I think the biggest flaw in this entire article is that it pretends you can make some kind of meaningful comparisons between current x86 desktop performance and current ARM performance as deployed in the devices mentioned. You just can't do that--the disparity would be far too large--it would be embarrassing for ARM. There's no need in that because in mobile ARM cpu/gpu technology, performance is *not* king by a long shot--power conservation for long battery life is king in ARM, however. x86 performance desktops, especially those setup for 3d gaming, are engineered for raw horsepower first and every other consideration, including power conservation, second. That's why Apple doesn't use ARM cpus in Macs and why you cannot buy a desktop today powered by an ARM cpu--the compute power just isn't there, and no one wants to retreat 10-15 years in performance just to run an ARM cpu on the desktop. The forte for ARM is mobile-device use, and the forte for x86 power cpus is on the desktop (and no, I don't count Atom as a powerful cpu...;)) Reply
pSupaNova - Sunday, April 07, 2013 - linkHow is it embarrassing for ARM? 90% of consumers don't require for most of their computing needs the power of a desktop CPU.
Mobile devices have took the world by storm and have been able to increase their pixel pushing ability exponentially.
No-one is suggesting that Mobile chips will suddenly catch their Desktop brethrens, but it is interesting to see that they are only three times slower than an typical CPU/ Discrete GPU combo of 2004! Reply
zeo - Tuesday, April 16, 2013 - linkThat percentage would be much higher if you eliminated cloud support... the only reason why they get away with not needing a lot of performance for the average person is because a lot is offset to run on the cloud instead of on the device.
Apple's Siri for example runs primarily on Apple Servers!
While some applications like augmented reality, voice control, and other developing features aren't wide spread or developed enough to be a factor yet but when they do then performance requirements will skyrocket!
Peoples needs may be small now but they were even smaller before... so they're steadily increasing, though maybe not as quickly as historically but never underestimate what people may need even just a few years from now. Reply
Wolfpup - Friday, April 05, 2013 - linkYeah, I've been wanting to know more about these architectures and how they compare to PC components for ages! Nice article. Reply
robredz - Sunday, April 07, 2013 - linkIt certainly puts things in perspective in terms of gaming on mobile platforms. Reply
bobjones32 - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkThose are some pretty amazing comparisons. Thanks for the article, Anand! Reply
sibren - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkeehm wrong topic title, smartphones are no tablets. I wonder how people can miss that. Reply
sibren - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkI'm talking about the ipads and surface pro Reply
kyuu - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkThanks for including the E-350. However, looking at results for the E-350 on 3DMark's website, most of the posted results are a bit better than yours (putting its GPU performance above any of the ARM SoCs). Is there any reason more recently manufactured E-350s should perform better than your old unit? Reply
meacupla - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkYeah, there's something amiss with the E-350.
The only thing I can think of is faster RAM, since all AMD APUs benefit from having faster clocked, lower timing RAM. C/E series especially, since they only have a single channel to work with. Reply
mayankleoboy1 - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkCan you add a modern desktop Kepler/Tahiti GPU, and calculate the "performance/watt " value ? That should give us a better idea of the architectural prowess. Reply
piroroadkill - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkOh, yes, a performance/watt metric would be fantastic. Great idea.
That said, very interesting article, glad to see it done. Thanks, Anand! Reply
Mumrik - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkThe phones and tablets are doing better than I expected actually. This is nice - an image of the gap. It would be interesting to see where something like a PS Vita fit in too. Reply
slatanek - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkGreat article Anand! Reply
zilm - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkIt would be great to compare with HD3000
It looks very close to Ipad4 and it's in the same league (I mean not desktop). Reply
IntelUser2000 - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - link@zlim:
It would be lot closer, because the HD 4000 in the regular variant is only 50-60% faster than the HD 3000. The HD 4000 in ULV is maybe only 30-40% faster. Reply
zeo - Tuesday, April 16, 2013 - linkMind though that the iPad is using a quad GPU, while the Intel GMA's are single GPUs... Also this isn't counting discrete graphic cards, which scale much higher than Integrate GPU's can go. Even AMD's best APU still barely provides what would be a mid-range discrete graphic card performance. Reply
ltcommanderdata - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkThese results seem to suggest that high-end mobile GPUs are very close to current-gen consoles (nVidia 7900 class) and that the HD4000 is faster than current-gen consoles. Based on realizable graphics in games it doesn't seem that close although that may be advantages in bandwidth and close-to-metal access showing through.
"Again, the new 3DMark appears to unfairly penalize the older non-unified NVIDIA GPU architectures. Keep in mind that the last NVIDIA driver drop for DX9 hardware (G7x and NV4x) was last October, before either benchmark had been released. The 8500 GT on the other hand gets the benefit of a driver released this month."
You mentioned you were using nVidia drivers from October 2012, but the latest legacy drivers for the 6000/7000 series is GeForce 307.83 from February 2013 for Windows 7 and GeForce 307.74 from January 2013 for Windows 8. Reply
perry1mm - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkThis will be speaking in terms of mobile graphics for the HD 4000:
Combined with the proper specs (fast RAM, higher clocked processor frequencies without the TDP holding it back from turbo-boosting, and a higher allocation of VRAM) should come out to 125-150% better performance than the PS3 or Xbox 360, from the comparisons I have done.
Such as most games that run 1080p on PS360 (if that's even the native resolution, doubtful for most) are locked at 30FPS and for PC would be "low" settings and likely low or no AA. I can run similar games on my Vaio Duo 11 @ 1080p with low settings and low or no AA at more consistent framerates than 30. I've looked up graphical capabilities (settings) on the consoles such as Skyrim, DmC, L4D2, Borderlands 2, Far Cry 2, Deus Ex: Human Revolution, and more...and it seems when consoles are running them at 30FPS I can consistently get 35-40, if not higher. Reply
perry1mm - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkOh, and in reference to the "proper specs" with the HD 4000 in my Sony Vaio Duo 11, I have the i7 3537u (turbo-boost to 3.1Ghz) with 8GB 1600Mhz DDR3 RAM. Reply
jeffkibuule - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkNo game runs at 1080p on the PS3/360. It's mostly 720p60, 720p30, and even 640p(30-60). 1080p is a pipe dream on current consoles. Reply
Friendly0Fire - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkThere was one notable exception: Wipeout HD has always run at 60fps and 1080p and looked superb for it. Reply
SlyNine - Friday, April 05, 2013 - linkActually there are a few games that run in 1080p@60. Soul Calibur is rendered at 1080p for instance.
Sorry you didn't know or bother checking the facts before you posted misinformation just to help prove your point.
A point that I agree with, but I hate misinformation. Reply
Anand Lal Shimpi - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkYou are correct, the drivers were from February 2013 not October. I'm not sure why we thought October. I've updated the article accordingly :)
When HD 3000 launched, the unofficial word was that GPU was the first integrated GPU to finally be faster than the Xbox 360. HD 4000 is understandably quicker. The ultra mobile GPUs (likely in tablets first) will be faster than the current gen consoles in the next 1 - 2 years. Combine that with the fact that one of the ultra mobile players happens to be a big game publisher for a major console and you begin to have a rough outline of what could look like a giant trump card. Whether or not they ever play it is another question entirely.
Take care,
Anand Reply
Ryan Smith - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkI'm the one who came up with October, since that was when NVIDIA moved their DX9 cards to legacy. I had not realized there had been an interim driver release. Though it's worth noting that legacy cards don't get performance optimizations, only bug fixes. So there still would not be any optimizations in those drivers for the new benchmarks. Reply
marc1000 - Saturday, April 06, 2013 - linkAnand, it seems you are talking about Sony (I doubt it is MS). And unfortunately I am one of the orphaned users of the ill fated Xperia Play. They had a HUGE trump card with that phone, but killed it deliberately to clear the path to PS Vita. So I have to say that I doubt they will ever release games for any tablet, instead they will keep pushing PS3/4 + Vita combo. Reply
Krysto - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkWhere's the proof that E-350's CPU is faster than Cortex A15? Or did I miss it? Reply
milli - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkYou need to compare the physics score between the E-350 and Nexus 10. It shows that the Bobcat core has a higher IPC compared to the A15. Reply
scaramoosh - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkcompared to 8 year old desktop gpus....
compare them to a 7990 Reply
tipoo - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkThe graphs on the chart would have to be smaller than the width of a pixel :P
it's still impressive that single digit watt system on chips are getting up around 7 year old GPU performance though, the Geforce 7800 is close to what the 360 has. From everything I've been hearing SGXs Rogue/600 series will be a huge boost, bigger than just adding MP cores. Reply
B3an - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkYeah Anand, put a Nividia Titan or 7990 in there just for the lolz. Have it on the last page or something, it would just be interesting and amusing. Reply
fabarati - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkA good thing to remember is that despite the 8500 GT scoring better, the 7900 GTX (and gs and 7800 gt) was much faster in actual games. Reply
tipoo - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkYeah, the 8500 is only faster when it's a complete vertex or pixel shading situation due to its unified shaders, in most games with mixed requirements the 7900 would still beat it with its fixed shaders. Reply
Flunk - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkBecause modern games are more shader heavy this would no longer be the case. A 8500 GT beats a 7900 GTX hands down for modern game performance. However, both are still pretty bad. A higher end card like a 8800 GT is still usable in a lot of games where the 7 series is totally unusable. Reply
Friendly0Fire - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkDo mobile games use a lot of shaders though? What I've seen looks a lot closer to early DX9 era pipelines than the shader-heavy setups console/PC games have been moving towards. Reply
fabarati - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkGood point. Haven't used a 7 Series geforce since 2008, so I'm not up to date on their performance. I just meant that the benchmarks don't tell the whole stories.
If you use the DX9 path available in many games, would the 8500 GT still be faster? I mean, DX9 is probably the only way to get decent performance out of the both these cards (that was always true of the 8500 GT). Reply
perry1mm - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkIt would be interesting to see another Win 8 tablet with higher frequencies for the iGPU from an i7 and more RAM (or with higher bandwidth if it's possible). Maybe just turn off the dedicated GPU of the Edge Pro to see the difference?
From the videos I've checked out the Surface Pro vs games I play on my Vaio Duo 11, I get about 25% better performance with the i7 3537u @ 3.1Ghz. So if the Surface Pro gets 30FPS at native res, I'll likely get between 35 and 40. But I'd still be interested in an actual comparison test, and searching there seems to be none for GPU/gaming performance of Win 8 tablets, other than the Surface and Edge...which are on extreme ends of the spectrum. Reply
milli - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkSo a GPU with 16 Kepler cores would be enough to be faster than every SOC available. The lowest end Kepler GPU (GT640) has 384 of them. Just to put things into pespective.
Also the A15 is beaten by AMD's Bobcat core ... Reply
marc1000 - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkthis is a thing I would like to see, even if only for academic reasons. what happens if we put a small quantity of current-gen GPU cores on a really small chip? I guess the biggest problem would be to scale down the fixed hardware that feeds the cores... Reply
DanNeely - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkOur first look at something like this is probably going to be the Atom2 later this year with 4(?) Intel HD GPU (IVB generation??) cores. Reply
jeffkibuule - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkTegra 5 I believe will use Kepler cores. Reply
Spunjji - Friday, April 05, 2013 - linkThat and tweaking them for the lower thermal envelope. The way they've been optimised for desktop/notebook voltages and thermal envelopes probably means they'd need significant alterations to be suitable for a mobile scenario. Reply
tipoo - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkI've been underestimating these tablet GPUs, I figured they'd be up around Geforce FX series performance by the games that run on them, but the iPad 4 is nearing the 7800 which is pretty impressive.
This is also interesting because the xbox 360 is only up around Geforce 7800 level too, but that also has more memory bandwidth and the eDRAM and closer to metal programming to work with than the smartphone SoCs. Within the next generation of SoCs though, I think the PS360 GPUs will be thoroughly beaten, which is pretty amazing to think about considering these are single digit watt chips. Especially with the SGX Rogue/600 series.
Games are a different matter though, the best tablet games still don't have a great deal of depth. Reply
dj christian - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkMetal programming? Reply
tipoo - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkClose to the metal meaning less overhead to go through than PC game programming. Reply
jeffkibuule - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkI'm not sure how much more significant overhead there is left when you remove APIs. At least with iOS, developers can specifically target performance characteristics of certain devices if they wish, only problem is that a graphically intense game isn't such an instant money maker on handhelds like it is on consoles. Almost no incentive to go down that route. Reply
SlyNine - Saturday, April 06, 2013 - linkYou have to remember that a 7900GT is faster than a 8500GT, hell the 8600GT had 2x as many shaders and that performed closely to the 8600GT.
Even still I doubt that the benchmark does as well as it could on a 8500GT if it were better optimized. I'm willing to bet you're about right with the Geforce FX estimate. Reply
whyso - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkIs this showing how bad AMD is? E-350 is a 18 watt tdp. Even if they double perf/watt with jaguar you are still looking at a chip that hangs with an ipad 4 at 9 watts. Reply
tipoo - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkThe 3DMark online scores seem to be showing higher numbers for the E350, but perhaps those pair it with fast RAM, since RAM seems to be the bottleneck on AMD APUs. Reply
Flunk - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkA lot of people overclock their equipment for 3Dmark. Reply
oaso2000 - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkI use a E350 as my desktop computer, and I get much higher results than those in the article. I don't overclock it, but I use 1333 MHz RAM. Reply
ET - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkYou're assuming that performance is linear with power and that a PC processor has the same power as a tablet processor. It's enough to take a look at the other Brazos processors to see that's not the case.
The C-50 runs at a lower clock speed of 1GHz vs. 1.6GHz but is 9W. The newer C-60 adds boosting to 1.33GHz.
The Z-60 is a mobile variant which runs at 1GHz and has a TDP of 4.5W.
It's hard to predict where AMD's next gen will land on these charts, but it's obviously not as far in terms of performance/power as you peg it to be.
For me, even if AMD does end up a little slower than some ARM CPU's, I'd pick such as Windows tablet over an ARM based tablet for its compatibility with my large library of (mostly not too demanding) games. Reply
whyso - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkThe nexus 4 is already more powerful than the e-350 while consuming much less power. By the time jaguar launches, even if they double perf/watt they are still going to be behind any high end tablet or phone soc.
c-50 is weaker or the same than atom z-2760 which does't do too well. Reply
lmcd - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkYou both didn't factor the die shrink... This is 40nm. Reply
whyso - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkyes I did, I'm assuming they can double perf/ watt to do that they will need to shrink the die. Jaguar only boost IPC by ~15% with small efficiency gains. By going down to 28 nm they might be able to double perf /watt (which is a clearly optimistic prediction). Reply
lmcd - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkif the C-50 is about equal to the Z-2760, + 15% IPC + die shrink suddenly AMD is in this, so I'd say you didn't factor it in very well then... Reply
whyso - Friday, April 05, 2013 - linkThe asus vivotab smart is pretty much rock bottom in these tests. using the z2760. Reply
kyuu - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkNo, it's not. The E-350 is actually still stronger than the A15s. The only reason those ARM SoCs get a better score in the physics test is because they are quad-core compared to the E-350's two cores. Also, as ET stated below, performance doesn't scale down linearly with power, so a Bobcat at, say, a 75% lower TDP isn't going to have 75% lower performance. Heck, you can look at 3DMark results for the C-60 to see that it still outperforms the ARM SoCs at a lower TDP (assuming nothing fishy is going on with those results). The Z-60, with a 4.5W TDP, should still have comparable performance to the C-60.
Plus, Bobcat is a couple years old. When AMD (finally) gets Jaguar out sometime this year, it should handily beat any A15-based SoC.
Finally, if this shows that AMD is "bad", then it would show Intel as "absolutely pathetic". Reply
Wilco1 - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkE-350 certainly looks good indeed, however I would expect that A15 and E-350 will be close in most single threaded benchmarks, especially considering the latest SoCs will have higher frequencies (eg. Tegra 4 is 1.9GHz). On multi-threaded E-350 will lose out against any quad-core as the physics results show.
A Z-60 at 1GHz will be considerably slower than an E-350 at 1.6GHz, so will lose out against pretty much all A15 SoCs. How well Jaguar will do obviously depends on the IPC improvement and clock speeds. But unless it is quad core, it certainly won't win all benchmarks. Reply
Spunjji - Friday, April 05, 2013 - linkKabini uses 4 jaguar cores, Temash uses a pair of them. 15% IPC improvement combined with a clock speed bump from the die shrink should see it easily reaching competitive levels with the corresponding A15-based SoCs. Reply
milli - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkYou're looking at it the wrong way. The E-350 is a desktop/netbook cpu. If you want to make a direct comparison, you should compare it to the C-60. That one is 9W (compared to an estimated 5W for the A6X). It will still beat the A6X on CPU performance and stay close enough in 3D. It's still produced on 40nm (compared to A6's 32nm) and has a much smaller die (75mm² vs 123mm²). AMD 64-bit memory interface, A6X 128-bit. If you look at it that way, AMD isn't doing too bad.
Jaguar/GCN based Temash will be able to get C-60 performance or better under 4W. Reply
lmcd - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkThe die size is what really gets me. AMD should be able to push Temash everywhere if they hit the die shrink advantages, push the GPU size up a bit and Jaguar core delivers. Reply
jabber - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkInteresting article. I'm always intrigued to know how far we've come.
I think what would be really handy is an annual "How things have progressed!" round up at the end of the year.
This would entail picking up all the generations past and present top of the range flagship cards (excluding the custom limited edition bizzaro models) and doing a range of core benchmarks. You could go back as far as the first PCI-e cards (2004 ish).
Up until a few years ago I was still running a 7900GTX but really have no clue as to how much better current cards are in real hard facts and figures.
Would be good to see how far we have been progressing over the past 10 years. Reply
marc1000 - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkI too would like to see an actual gaming comparison on GPUs from 2004 to now. Even if just on a small number of games, and with limited IQ settings.
Something like testing 3 games: 1 real light, 1 console port, and 1 current and heavy. All benchmarked at medium settings, on 1280x720 or 1680x1050 resolution. no need to scale IQ, AA settings or triple-monitor situations.
(pick just DX9 games if needed, most people who are NOT tech enthusiasts can't tell the difference between DX9 and DX11 anyway.) Reply
dj christian - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - link+1 to that! Reply
Spunjji - Friday, April 05, 2013 - linkAgreed, this would save me a shedload of hassle when recommending upgrades for friends! I often get questions like "is my 8800GTX better than an HD7770" and making that comparison tends to involve rather shady comparisons (e.g. 8800GTX x% better than 6570, 7770 x% better than 6570, therefore..?!) because the older cards just don't get included in the newer comparisons. Reply
powerarmour - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkInterestingly, the Atom 330/ION would be fairly high up most of those lists too, here's my Ice Storm compare link :- http://www.3dmark.com/is/312945
Just shows how badly Intel need competitive graphics hardware on Atom again. Reply
Spunjji - Friday, April 05, 2013 - linkKilling ION (and 3rd party chipset support in general) starts to look like a huge mistake on Intel's part when you look closely at the performance numbers of their Atom chips. Reply
powerarmour - Saturday, April 13, 2013 - linkHere's also an Atom D2700/GMA 3650 run for comparison also :-
That CedarView SGX545 (also in CloverView) is pretty damn slow! Reply
Hrel - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkGood article. I'd like to see how more modern desktop GPU's compare though. Especially at the lower resolutions these "phones" run at. 8800GT, since that was THE part to get. GTX460, same thing. HD6850. GTX660M/560M. Probably just wishful thinking, but if you have these dinosaurs laying around perhaps you have those too. But also at 720p and 1080p. Since you can output the phones to a tv just like a desktop. I know you have the Razer, which is more modern. So that could replace the 5 and 6 series GPU's I mentioned, I guess. Reply
geniekid - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkI recognize the XFX 7900 GS as it was the graphics card I chose for the very first computer I built myself! Based on the picture and the specs, it appears you used the factory OCed version of the 7900 GS? Reply
marc1000 - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkoh boy, I'm getting old....... the GPU for the very first computer I built myself was an ancient Voodoo Banshee 16mb from Diamond Multimedia. It was an intermediate card between Voodoo 2 and 3, and I even installed linux on it and enabled the first 3D-like desktop experience I ever saw (it was on gnome). MS could only deliver a similar experience with windows 7...
yes, i'm old! Reply
jamyryals - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkAwesome article Anand, this juxtaposition is just wild. The real mind blower would be the perf/watt comparison that has been mentioned. Obviously time moves and almost everything gets better, but to turn around and look in the rearview like that was a fun read Anand. I'm just wondering how big an impact the stacked DRAM will have on memory bandwidth in the future. Also, what's been the challenge to incorporate this up to now? Reply
WagonWheelsRX8 - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkGreat article!!! Reply
Peroxyde - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkVery interesting article. Hope you will do a similar one comparing mobile CPUs vs desktop CPUs Reply
SPBHM - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkInteresting stuff, the HD 4000 completely destroys the 7900GTX,
considering the Playstation 3 uses a cripled G70 based GPU, is fantastic the results they can achieve under a higher optimized platform...
also, it would have been interesting to see something from ATI, a x1900 or x1950. I think itwould represent better the early 2006 GPUs Reply
milli - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkYeah agree. I've seen recent benchmarks of a X1950 and it aged much better than the 7900GTX. Reply
Spunjji - Friday, April 05, 2013 - linkDefinitely, it had a much more forward-looking shader arrangement; tomorrow's performance cannot sell today's GPU though and I'm not sure AMD have fully learned from that yet. Reply
Th-z - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkI'll take these numbers with a grain of salt, 7900 GTX still has the memory bandwidth advantage, about 2x as much, maybe in actual games or certain situations it's faster. Perhaps Anand can do a retro discrete vs today's iGPU review just for the trend, it could be fun as well :) Reply
Wilco1 - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkAnand, what exactly makes you claim: "Given that most of the ARM based CPU competitors tend to be a bit slower than Atom"? On the CPU bound physics test the Z-2760 scores way lower than any of the Cortex-A9, A15 and Snapdragon devices (A15 is more than 5 times as fast core for core despite the Atom running at a higher frequency). Even on Sunspider score Atom scores half that of an A15. I am confused, it's not faster on single threaded CPU tasks, not on multi-threaded CPU tasks, and clearly one of the worst on GPU tasks. So where exactly is Atom faster? Or are you talking about the next generation Atoms which aren't out yet??? Reply
tech4real - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkIt's fairly odd to see such a big gap between atom and A9/A15 in a supposedly CPU bound test. However the score powerarmour showed several posts earlier on an atom330/ion system seems to give us some good explanation.
The physics core 7951 and 25.2 FPS of his atom330/ion system is pretty in line with what the atom cpu expectation is, faster than a9, a bit slower than a15. So i would guess that the extremely low z2760 score is likely due to its driver implementation, and is not truly exercising CPU for that platform. Reply
Wilco1 - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkIt may be a driver issue, however it doesn't mean that with better drivers a Z-2760 would be capable of achieving that same score. The Ion Atom uses a lot more power, not just the CPU, but also the separate higher-end GPU and chipset. Besides driver differences, a possibility is that the Z-2760 is thermally throttled to stay within a much lower TDP. Reply
tech4real - Friday, April 05, 2013 - linkthe scale of the drop does not look like a typical thermal throttle, so I would lean towards the "driver screw up" theory, particularly considering intel's poor track record on PowerVR driver support. It would be interesting to see someone digging a bit deeper into this. Reply
islade - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkI'd love to see an iPad 3 included in this results. I'm sure many readers have iPad 3's and couldn't justify upgrading to the 4, so I'd love to see where we fit in with all this :) Reply
tipoo - Sunday, April 07, 2013 - linkCPU wise you'd be the exact same as the iPad 2, Mini, and just slightly above the 4S. GPU wise you'd be like the 5. Reply
Beenthere - Thursday, April 04, 2013 - linkAnand -
Any chance of spending some time fixing the website issues instead of tweeting? I would think with hundreds of negative comments regarding the redesigned site and the fact that many of us can't even read it with parts cut of, odd fonts, conflicting color schemes and layout design, etc. that this would be far more important than posting tweets??? I'm sure that your ad revenue is going to take a big hit with the significant drop in page hits from a basically unusable website for many people, since the redesign. Reply
mrzed - Friday, April 05, 2013 - linkAnand,
Such a great amd timely article for me. The PC I am posting this from runs a 7900GS, which shows you how much gaming I've done in the last 6 years (I now have a 5 year old and a toddler). Came down to the rumpus room with my phone in my pocket, saw the article title and was immediately curious just how a new phone might compare in gaming prowess with the PC I still mostly surf on.
You call yourself out for not ever dreaming that your closet full of cards may be used to benchmark phones, but I recall many years ago wondering why you were spending so much editorial direction on phones. You saw the writing on the wall before many in the industry, and as a result, your hardware site is remaining relevant as the PC industry enters its long sunset. Huzzah. Reply
Infy2 - Friday, April 05, 2013 - linkMy old office PC with dual core Core2 Duo 8400 3GHz with GF8600GT scored 3DMark Score 28333 3DMarks, Gfx Score 30322, Phy Score 23044, Gfx 1 132.3 FPS, Gfx 2 131.4 FPS, Phy Test 73.2 FPS. Reply
yannigr - Friday, April 05, 2013 - linkΙ Loved this article. It is really really REALLY interesting. Reply
somata - Friday, April 05, 2013 - linkIf anyone was curious how a contemporaneous ATI card performs in this context, here are some DXBenchmark results from my Radeon X1900 XT (early 2006):
With 38 fps in T-Rex HD (offscreen), it looks like the R580 architecture did wind up being more future-proof than G70 as games became more shader-heavy, not that it matters anymore ;-).
Unfortunately, like Anand, I was unable to run 3DMark on this card most likely due to outdated drivers. Reply
tipoo - Sunday, April 07, 2013 - linkYeah, I remember when those came out everyone was saying the x1k series would be more future proof than the 7k series due to the shader/vertex balance, and I guess that turned out to be true. Too bad it happened so late that their performance isn't relevant in modern gaming though, heh. But that's also part of why the 360 does better on cross platform ports. Reply
GregGritton - Saturday, April 06, 2013 - linkThe comparisons to 6-8 year old desktop CPUs and GPUs is actually quite relevant. It gives an idea of the graphical intensity of games that you might be able to play on modern cell phones and tablets. For example, World of Warcraft was released on 2004 and ran on graphics cards of the day. Thus, modern Cell Phone and Tablet processors should be able to run a game of similar graphical quality. Reply
tipoo - Sunday, April 07, 2013 - linkBut possibly not size. Storage and standardized controllers are the bottleneck now imo. Reply
jasonelmore - Sunday, April 07, 2013 - linkinstead of doing embedded/stacked DRAM to increase memory performance, couldn't they just embed the memory controller into the CPU/GPU like intel did with the i7? this increased memory bandwidth significantly. Reply
marc1000 - Monday, April 08, 2013 - linkI believe it already is integrated for all SOCs listed... Reply
robredz - Sunday, April 07, 2013 - linkWonder how the later AMD450 with 6320 and the quad core Mediatek quad core smartphone processors would compare? Reply
geneiusxie - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkSo a 7 year old GPU is still 50% faster than the iPad? A modern GPU like the AMD 8770 is ~40x faster still...
It looks like actual power efficiency might be pretty close to Haswell, but many AMD/NVIDIA GPUs (like the 8770) at 21 GFLOPS/watt have over 2-4x the power efficiency of those puny laptop processors.
ARM has to follow the same laws of physics that everyone else does :P Reply
Samy - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - linkThis interesting article should be updated for 2014 specially for Nvidia Kepler K-1 performance in shield tablet. Thank you Reply
onteo - Sunday, January 25, 2015 - linkI would like to see this with the new tegra k1, x1, A8x... Reply
SlyNine - Saturday, March 05, 2016 - link10 year old hardware running on 5 year old drivers vs brand new gpus with brand new drivers.
Coincidentally the software is created for newer gpus and drivers. Even if the old stuff was 5x I'd be surprised if it ran as well.
Optimize the software or drivers for those old gpus and it's a curb stomp. Reply
adifbbk1 - Saturday, July 09, 2016 - linkHow to use android gpu in pc? Reply
adifbbk1 - Saturday, July 09, 2016 - linkI dont have gpu in my pc but my tab is high end device with 2gb ram, 1.3 ghz processor, arm mali-400 mp2 gpu
how to use it? Reply
android_user - Friday, March 10, 2017 - linkWhat is with the gpu desktop core count : Like it's written " 384 " cores on the GT640 .
What is the situation in smartphone gpu core count ? "1" ?
Please tell i am wrong .
http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/gefor... Reply


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PONTE VEDRA BEACH, Fla. - It's obvious the Lucky Dog isn't going anywhere anytime soon. But there is a little bit more to know about the boat that washed up on Ponte Vedra Beach on Monday.
For one, it was spotted from a Carnival Cruise ship long before it made it to northeast Florida's shore.
Video taken from the balcony of the cruise ship on Dec. 30, just south of Key West shows the boat a couple days after the Coast Guard originally rescued two people from it when it went under off the coast of Fort Myers on the west coast of Florida.
Fast forward several months to Tuesday and the Lucky Dog remains on the shoreline of Ponte Vedra Beach. A Coast Guard spokesman said the boat's owner is from Seminole and is really surprised his vessel made it this far.
The Coast Guard said the goal is to remove the boat safely and efficiently without hurting the environment. The spokesman said the Coast Guard is using funds to remove fuel from the boat so that the environment is safe.
The boat's owner has spoken with the Coast Guard, which said it will be his responsibility to pay for the boat to be salvaged. The Coast Guard said there is no specific deadline in place to remove the boat, so it's not clear when that may happen.
Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission officials said they happened to spot the Lucky Dog a few days ago when they had a plane up surveying right whales. They said they contacted the Coast Guard, and the boat washed up on shore a few days later.
Whether it was spotted from a cruise ship or in Ponte Vedra, it's clear that the Lucky Dog really is very lucky.
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A9 TV; 10 December 2011
Surah Hud
102- Such is the iron grip of your Lord when He seizes the cities which do wrong. His grip is painful, violent.
"…which do wrong…"(which mistreat Muslims, which cheat and harbor prostitution and set traps and seek to damage the interests of Muslims) "…when He seizes them…" (When He punishes them), "His grip is painful, violent."
Allah says this as a warning to idolaters and hypocrites. "His grip is painful, violent,"He says.
105- On the Day it [the Day of reckoning] comes, no self will speak except by His permission. Some of them will be wretched and others glad.
"no self will speak except by His permission."In other words, they can speak if Allah gives His permission. Here anyone says what he wants. But Almighty Allah says that is not acceptable there.
Surat ar-Rum
42- Say: 'Travel about the earth and see the final fate of those before. Most of them were idolaters.'
"Travel about the earth…" How do we travel about now? Via the internet or the TV remote control, we surf here and there. That is also a form of travel. Or we do research on the internet. That is also travel. That also comes under the verse. Because you press the key and go to another country or switch to another channel. "…of those before," it may be an hour before, or a week, or a month or 10 minutes. "…see their final fate…" How Allah punished, humiliated, belittled them and exposed their baseness and filth and lack of character. Allah says He does this to show His power. "Most of them were idolaters." What does idolaters mean? They go along with nonsense, not with Allah's commands. They have idols. They take this or that as their idols and follow them. You tell them to obey the Qur'an and they say they prefer their idols. "…see their final fate…" says Allah.
43- So set your face firmly towards the True Religion, before a Day comes from Allah which cannot be turned back. On that Day they will be split up.
The day before Allah takes action, "set your face firmly towards the True Religion." What religion is the true religion? Islam. And what is Islam? The Qur'an. "On that Day they will be split up,"
says Allah. They will be fragmented. Unbelievers and hypocrites and idolaters.
44- Those who were unbelievers will find that their unbelief was against themselves. Those who did right were making the way easy for themselves [a place in paradise];
"Those who were unbelievers will find that their unbelief was against themselves." They inflict trouble on themselves. They collapse physically and mentally. They collapse as whole countries. Then the economic crisis blows up. They are ruined. "Those who did right were making the way easy for themselves."Those who did right prepared their own places in paradise, Allah says. Every good deed, every virtuous action and all the merit they earn prepare them a place in paradise, He says. For example, as merit comes in their own couches in paradise are prepared, the women of paradise and the foods of paradise. "Those who did right were making the way easy for themselves [a place in paradise]"
45- so that He can repay with His bounty those who believed and did right actions. He certainly does not love the unbelievers.
So they can be rewarded for their good deeds, He says. "He certainly does not love the unbelievers," says Allah. Does He do when He does not love them? He crushes them. Does Allah love hypocrites? No. He hates them. He crushes them, too. The hatred of Almighty Allah is not at all like our hatred, of course.
47- Before you We sent other Messengers to their people, and they too brought them the Clear Signs. We took revenge on those who did evil; and it is Our duty to help the believers.
"Before you We sent other Messengers to their people," in other words, mahdis and guides and prophets. "…and they too brought them the Clear Signs."Clear signs. They bring the statements by the prophets and the statements in the Qur'an. They prove these and discuss them. "We took revenge on those who did evil;" those who persist in doing wrong, despite being told the truth. Allah says He took vengeance on them for persisting even after the truth had been revealed. Because of their immorality. "and it is Our duty to help the believers." In other words, the Mahdi and his followers. Those who follow the Mahdi. The Turkish nation and the Islamic world, insha'Allah.
51- But if We send a wind, and they see it turning yellow, still they persist after that in being unbeliever.
They see their harvest turning yellow. But instead of giving thanks to Allah, they are ungrateful and immoral. For example, Allah bestows blessings and produces the signs of the End Times. Allah works miracles and marvels. But people ignore them and are ungrateful.
52- You will not make dead men hear; you will not make deaf men hear the call, when they turn their backs in flight.
"You will not make dead men hear." Allah says they are dead. Their brains and souls are dead. They have unbelieving and hypocrite minds. They have lost their senses and gone crazy. We refer to them as "dead." Allah says they are dead. "you will not make deaf men hear the call, when they turn their backs in flight."No matter how much you talk to unbelievers, they will still turn back to the filth of their unbelief. They will follow along after idolatry like hogs. They will follow along in the same way a herd of pigs follows its leader. They will eat filth, like pigs do. Pigs have their piglets and go and eat filth. They eat their filth all together. There is no point in telling them it is filth. They are used to it. It does not smell filthy to them. So they carry on making filth. Do not ascribe equals to Allah, you say, but they keep on doing it. You tell them not to be hypocrites, but they keep right on doing that, too.
53- You will not guide blind men from their misguidance. You will not make anyone hear except for those who believe in Our Signs and so are Muslims.
"from their misguidance…" What does misguidance mean? To have deviated into ascribing equals to Allah. "You will not guide blind men..." Allah says that you can talk all you like, but they will not be led to the truth. Allah does not permit it. "You will not make anyone hear except for those who believe in Our Signs..." In other words, you can only make the followers of the Qur'an hear, those who respect the Qur'an and obey it. "…and so are Muslims." Allah says that only those who heed the Qur'an are Muslims. If they follow the Qur'an, they "so are Muslims." But if they do not heed the Qur'an, they are not Muslims, Allah says.
A woman must fear Allah in order to be beautiful. She cannot be beautiful if she does not fear Allah. And of course one does not fear Allah simply in order to be beautiful. One is beautiful through fearing Allah. One must burn with love of Allah. One must have a fervent love, in other words. One must fear and love Allah. One must be cultured, not ignorant. One must be well brought up, not badly. One must be virtuous, and chaste, and have the soul of an artist and be filled with passion. Only then can one be beautiful. You get men like blocks of stone. There is a beautiful woman in front of such a man. What happens to him? He becomes a block of stone. Allah provides a beautiful person. There is a verse about it, "Corrupt women are for corrupt men and corrupt men are for corrupt women, Good women are for good men and good men are for good women." He says. The verse is explicit. That is why Allah keeps believers among immaculate people. Look, the people around me never swear or say anything bad or make digs at others or use a foolish or unbalanced language. They all use a rational, control, balanced and excellent way of speaking that constantly remembers Allah. Empty words are horribly tiresome. False words, showing off, putting on airs, false gestures and expressions. You never see those here, masha'Allah.
But when a person loves and fears Allah he knows he will be recompensed for all he does. Down to the finest detail. One cannot be cruel or despotic then. So what are you? You are trustworthy. Cruelty and despotism lead only to troubles. How can someone who fears Allah be like that? He cannot. One must give account to Allah. So a person is reasonable and moderate, with no feelings or hatred or vengeance. That is great! A person has no aggression and chooses his words with care. He has no complexes. Fear of Allah bestows the comfort of love. Fear of Allah is the start of wisdom. Everything is finished without love of Allah. Some people say, "How can fear Allah? One must love Him." But then what happens? You see what happens then. Of course we love Allah with a great passion. But we also strongly fear Him. Our fear of Allah makes us very moderate and well-balanced. We become very considerate. Because a Muslim knows that he is always being watched by Allah. He knows he is being watched at every moment. He knows that Allah listens to his every word. He knows that he experiences what is in his destiny. He knows he could go to hell at any moment. How can such a person do wrong? By Allah's leave, his every action will be perfect. His every word has to be perfect. He cannot let himself go. Not in any negative way. He can relax in positive ways, relax his heart. Then what comes of that? Chastity. Chastity sets limits. And limits give rise to beauty. For example, if a person's nose were without limits, it would be very large and his beauty would be impaired. That person is attractive because of limits. One's attractiveness would be impaired if one's eyes were a little smaller or larger. They have to be just right. There is a limit. Imagine a perfectly pleasant room, but one of the walls is a kilometer away. It is no longer a room, but a street. It has to have reasonable dimensions in order to qualify as a room. It has to have a reasonable appearance, Chastity is the same. If one is uncontrolled, if one enters into relations with whomsoever one likes, then it has no meaning and that finishes one as a person, It paralyzes the soul. Allah says one can only have lawful relations. There is a limit. And when there is a limit Allah bestows power and strength. A strength and beauty develop. A power to affect others. That is the result of fear of Allah and chastity.
Someone may say, may Allah forbid, "If only there were no such thing as chastity." Then you would have no happiness, you fool! You would die, cease to exist, be totally hollow. Life would be meaningless. Allah bestows chastity as a blessing. A very great blessing. You see all those women devoid of any character. People scatter when they see them coming! "Heaven knows what scandal she will be signing up to next!" They say that and cross over to the other side of the street. Because she can commit any kind of base or ignoble act. Her soul is just like hell. That is why they are also so aggressive. Because they are not at ease. There is a fire constantly burning within them. They shout and swear and behave badly, they insult people and gossip about them. Because they are suffering inside. But the believer has surrendered to Allah and his heart is easy. He always seeks what is good. He wants to do good. The more good he does, the more at ease he is. He gives alms, and that relaxes him. He helps a poor man, helps someone out of a difficult situation. That eases his heart. A pleasant word eases his heart. He forgives and finds ease. He avoids enmity and finds ease. What does the Mahdi do? He does away with armaments. All weapons. And what happens? Heart find ease. Because weapons make people tense. But with no more guns or bombs or tanks… There is a custom in Anatolia. When one gives someone a knife one does so with the back of the hand. They are very careful even around knives. Even a breadknife frightens people. They become tense around them. They would rather not have to have them in their homes. But they have to use them. But knives are sources of unease. Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) eliminates everything that can make people tense. If the tip is also blunt that is acceptable. Otherwise, not. The other way it imparts a sense of confidence. In the same way that a plant starts to grow in warm, fertile soil. The cells really open up there. They rejoice and flourish. A person's mind opens up. Wisdom starts to emerge then. Love starts pouring from the eyes. The fountains of the eyes are turned off in women. But when they see passion and faith they are turned on. And love starts to flow from them. Love starts pouring from her voice. A woman's voice is also kept under lock and key. There is a screen in front of it. But Allah then lifts that screen. In the presence of trust and faith her vice also becomes filled with love. Her flesh and everything becomes filled with passion. That only applies to believers. But when a believer sees unbelief, or a woman sees it she is disgusted, as if she saw sewage or filth. All her cells and entire body contract and are repelled. A woman with faith is automatically placed under lock by Allah. By chastity. When she sees unbelief or immorality her body immediately goes into lockdown. The only thing left turned on is a feeling of disgust. Feelings of disgust, repulsion and danger come to the body. She can feel nothing else. She goes into lockdown.2012-01-23 16:52:53


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ORLANDO, Fla. - Some elves appeared in an unlikely way Wednesday at Nemours Children's Hospital. Workers from A1 Orange Cleaning in Orlando dressed as Santa's helpers and washed windows.
"All the doctors were talking about seeing elves in the windows, so I was like, 'Mom, I wanna see elves on the windows,'" said 9-year old patient, Hunter Lanktree.
Tim Couture has worked for the cleaning service for about six years. He tells Local 6 cleaning in a smock and hat is a first.
"Everybody is great and so happy to see us. I've seen nothing but smiles and laughter. It's great," Couture said.
Patient Sydni Hornick and her father were pleasantly surprised to see the elves while waiting for an appointment.
"I wasn't expecting the window washers to be wearing elf costumes," Hornick said. "It's really cute!"
A1 Orange Cleaning will be back at Nemours every day this week, dressed in different holiday-themed costumes.
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Dan Woog offers this piece on the latest in gay sports coverage.
The "gay soccer" stories come fast and furious.
* Major League Soccer sponsors Spirit Day, encouraging players and fans to wear something purple, drawing attention to bullying and LGBT youth.
* FC Edmonton goalkeeper (and staunch straight ally) Lance Parker is a finalist for Cosmopolitan Magazine's 2012 "Bachelor of the Year" award.
* Openly gay player David Testo throws out the first ball at a Toronto Blue Jays game. Not coincidentally, it's the first home appearance for Yunel Escobar after being suspended for writing "Tu ere maricon" — an anti-gay epithet — on his eye black. Escobar was also fined $82,000 … which went straight to GLAAD and the You Can Play Project.
* A lesbian couple from Colorado flies to England, and has a civil partnership ceremony at Liverpool's famed Anfield Stadium. The couple, longtime Liverpool fans, are feted by the team, which recently hired a "social inclusion officer."
* Former Arsenal and MLS star Freddie Ljungberg, pictured, talks about being taunted as "gay" after appearing in a Calvin Klein underwear ad.
* Out U.S. national women's team coach Pia Sundhage retires, and is honored at her final match with a video, songs and a victory lap.
All those stories — and many more — are featured on the home page of Gay4Soccer.com. The brainchild of Chris Billig, it (and its companion Twitter feed) are proud examples of the enormous impact social media now has on gay sports.


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HARRY Etheridge was on hand to score a late winner as Swindon Supermarine dragged themselves back from 3-1 down to earn a dramatic 4-3 victory at home to North Leigh last night.
After the prolific Josh Parsons gave Marine the lead after 13 minutes, the visitors put Dave Webb's side under pressure and made it count as John Mills, Stuart Hole and Jon Else scored three quick goals to take control.
Things got worse for Marine as Danny Allen was sent off for two yellow cards, but they didn't give up, and were given a glimmer of hope when Craig Curtis grabbed a goal back to make it 3-2.
A minute later they were level thanks to a Ben Whitehead goal, and with time ticking away, Etheridge grabbed a dramatic winner with only two minutes left.
Delighted boss Webb said: "It was an incredible game, and the boys did so well to keep going even after we went 3-1 down to come back and win like that.
"It is a huge three points for us, which could be massive come the end of the season."
Meanwhile, the draw for the semi-finals of the Hellenic League Floodlit Cup has been made.
Fairford, who shocked Marlow in the last round, have been rewarded with a home tie against Ardley.
In the other semi, Highworth will travel to Brimscombe & Thrupp if they can get past Cheltenham Saracens and Wantage.
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DEVELOPERS seeking to build a large-scale housing complex in Hereford have revised their scheme.
Gladman Developments had initially wanted to site 120 homes on land off Hampton Dene Road.
But, as reported by the Hereford Times, the application only came before Herefordshire Council's planning committee in April, resulting in Gladman making an appeal on non-determination grounds.
The appeal will be heard at a planning inquiry in September.
In the meantime, the firm has re-submitted an application in order to alleviate concerns raised by some councillors in relation to the effect the scheme would have on the local landscape.
The proposal has been scaled back to 110 homes, while a Section 106 agreement will be provided for the playing fields.
A "dense landscape buffer" will also be on the northern edge of the site and the drainage strategy updated.


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The Novato City Council will soon have a better idea how much it would cost to repair and maintain some of the city's best-loved and most-used buildings thanks to a contract with a consultant approved Tuesday night.
The base contract for Faithful Gould, an international construction company with offices in San Francisco, is around $35,000 for 21 city buildings. Depending on how many additional buildings are selected for review, it could go as high as $63,910. The consultant will study buildings including the council chambers, the police department, the Margaret Todd Senior Center and the Hill Gymnasium, as well as the downtown recreation center, the Hill Community Room and the Hamilton Community Center.
The study is scheduled to be completed by the end of March.
"The entire project is part of a fiscal sustainability effort the council is looking at," said Thomas Adams, a senior management analyst with the city. "We're trying to incorporate the capital budget in the long-term fiscal sustainability process."
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A 111-mile Quest: Dave Quear's Walk for Kevin McAdams
by Scott Agness
October 4, 2012
Editor's Note: Members of the Indiana Pacemates will greet Mr. Quear at Garfield Park upon his arrival.
Dave Quear is a man on a mission. His good friend, Kevin McAdams, has been fighting for his life, diagnosed last year with Multiple Myeloma—a rare and incurable bone-marrow cancer.
The two are at similar points in their life—married and with one-year-old sons. Two seasons ago, they went to all the playoffs games against the Bulls and became hooked. Last year, Dave bought season tickets and he and Kevin went to more than 20 games together. (And they aren't shy about sporting team gear.)
However, during that year, a lot changed for McAdams. While helping Quear's mother move apartments, he felt weak and complained of back pain. After having Quear crack his back, he immediately collapsed in pain and later found out that three ribs were broken. And then they found the cancer.
The cancer McAdams has isn't curable, but treatment has gone well and the worst seems to be over. However, while tending to his health, McAdams lost his job as an apartment maintenance man at his complex and couldn't afford his family's apartment. McAdams' family—wife Jenell and their 16-month-old son, Kevin Jr.—were forced out and moved into Jenell's parents' home and are struggling to get out of a deep financial hole.
"Jenell's a nurse, and she's been doubling-up her shifts, working at multiple hospitals just trying to make any money she can—all the while being the primary care giver for their one-year old son," Quear explained.
After the last bit of chemotherapy, the focus will be getting back to normal. Seeing the struggle and burden placed on McAdams' family, Quear wanted to do something.
"Everybody's praying, wishing them well and all that, but nobody's really doing anything. So here it is."
For four days beginning October 3rd, Quear is walking from Louisville to Indianapolis with the goal of raising $20,000. He will make stops in Scottsburg, Seymour, Taylorsville and around Greenwood. Prior to his first steps in Louisville on the 111-mile journey, just over $3,000 had been donated.
According to Quear, the support has been outstanding, but he's hoping it translates into dollars to allow McAdams to bring his head above water. He has battled the cancer, and the prognosis is positive, but the weight of debt hanging over his family is heavy.
These two friends, and big Pacers fans, are blue collar workers. And McAdams, who will soon complete outpatient work, just wants his life back. Debt-free.
Quear is planning to complete the walk and his mission to aid McAdams Sunday, Oct. 7th at Garfield Park around 3 p.m. All are welcome.
Dave Quear is documenting his trip and providing upgrades of his journey on Facebook. Follow Dave Quear's journey on facebook.
To help, donate to Dave Quear's walk for Kevin McAdams.
Note: The contents of this page have not been reviewed or endorsed by the Indiana Pacers. All opinions expressed by Scott Agness are solely his own and do not reflect the opinions of the Indiana Pacers, their partners, or sponsors.


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A fascinating mix of ultra-modern and historic, book a flight to Malaga and find yourself a world away from the nearby Costa del Sol and in what is still a bustling, traditional Mediterranean port in many ways.
The buzzing centre, with its unfinished medieval cathedral, narrow streets, balconied traditional buildings and tapas bars is an unforgettable and very typically Spanish experience. Fly to Malaga and see an aspect of old Spain that is fast disappearing under a tidal wave of economy tourism.
Gibralfaro Castle and the nearby Roman Theatre and Alcazaba are probably the top three attractions here, and from this elevated spot you can get great views across the city during your trip to Malaga. Enjoy the fountains, gardens and a stroll around the battlements. The Picasso Museum is home to many pieces by Malaga's most famous son, and the city's cathedral, the Manquita, is also worth a visit.
The Conception Botanical Garden is good for a stroll and the Thyssen Museum houses a grand collection of Spanish 19th century paintings.
Atarazanas Market is the central market of Malaga and dates back to the 14th century. It was built by the Moors as a dry dockyard for ship construction and now sells everything you can think of, from fruit and vegetables to oil, olives and fish.
For the best view of Malaga, go up to the top of the Parador de Malaga Gibralfaro and enjoy a drink and snack on the terrace of the Parador Hotel whilst watching the sun set over the ancient city. It's an easier alternative to climbing up Gibralfaro Castle.
Between 5pm and 7pm each evening is 'meriende time' in Malaga, when everyone seems to be out strolling, especially in the Calle Larious, the main thoroughfare of the city. Enjoy coffee or tea with fritters and watch the world go by.
The other great area for walking during your trip to Malaga is the Pier 1 Port of Malaga. Opened in 2011, it has superb views of the Alcazaba and Gibralfaro Castle and is home to many shops and restaurants.
Mitjano square is also a good place to visit, especially after 11pm. The square is the heart of Malaga and is packed with people enjoying coffee and pastries late into the evening.
From sensational seafood to atmospheric tapas bars and Michelin-starred dining venues, Malaga is a real gourmet's delight. Traditional Andalucía tapas can be found all over the city and the bustling quayside is especially good for seafood. Organic vegetables and locally caught fish are used in most of the recipes, and there are many other traditional dishes on offer.
Try the local specialty Gazpachuelo, a variant of tomato soup which incorporates mayonnaise and fish. The new gastro-bars which are appearing now along the coast are also worth trying, especially for their platters of fried fish.
When travelling to Malaga for shopping, visitors are never disappointed. The shopping opportunities here represent an exotic mix of old and new, from low key parochial outlets selling traditional arts and crafts to the more recent options like international chains and boutique outlets.
Find souvenirs along the coastal strip and designer goods nearer the centre of the city.
All the big Spanish retailers are represented in fashionable streets like the Avenida de Andalucia, but there are also many fun weekly markets in the city and literally hundreds of smaller outlets.
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Flights to Malaga arrive at Malaga-Costa del Sol Airport, 8km from the city centre. Take the suburban train line from T4 to Malaga centre, Torremolinos and other destinations on the Costa del Sol.
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Hello, I`m a 44 year old male with HIV. Recently I`ve had some strange tingling sensation on my upper gums in the front two teeth and the two off to the right and my gums have noticably recessed, what I think, rather quickly. I`ve seen my dentist, but he didn`t seem too concerned even though the picture he took last November show an obvious change. He said my mouth looks good and there`s no gum disease that he can see, but what about the tingling sensation that I have....it feels like its eroding my gums. Can you have some kind of periodontal disease even if your gums appear to be healthy to the naked eye?
You are probably taking several medications to control your HIV problem. There are known side effects and some of them are related to oral health. Recession is a part of periodontal disease although it does not have typical clinical signs of inflammation including bleeding, swelling, redness etc. Tingling sensation may be related to several things (example: some viral or fungal infections start with tingling sensation). It is not normal to have attachment loss in short time with no reason. One reason that may not be related to disease is that you may be causing some type of trauma while you are brushing, etc. Smoking may cause similar results. It is hard for me to talk about it without clinically seeing it. Please try to visit a periodontist with your previous dental records.
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SEATTLE: Pete-e Petersen and Jane Abbott Lighty have been together for 35 years, but it took until 12.01am on Thursday for them to get a marriage licence.
The matriarchs of the gay marriage movement in Washington state were the first of more than 200 couples who lined up in Seattle as the referendum, passed last month, came into effect.
''It's very humbling to be chosen first. We feel like we're representing a lot of people in the state who have wanted this for a long time,'' said Ms Petersen, 85. ''It's hard to explain the thrill that we are really going to get married.''
Waiting in line around the administration building before, finally, entering the processing room, the couples cried, shared love stories and flowers.
''I am so glad this night has finally arrived,'' a county executive Dow Constantine said of Washington's official recognition of same-sex marriage. ''This has been a long struggle, nationally and in our state.''
Washington is now one of seven states, plus the District of Columbia, that allow same-sex marriage. Maine and Maryland will soon, after also approving it last month.
Same-sex couples in Washington state cannot legally exchange vows until Sunday, because state law mandates a three-day waiting period after a marriage licence is issued.
But many of those who got the state's first same-sex licences on Thursday said the wait would be nothing compared to what they had already endured.
Garriel Keeble and Chris Grekoff said they agreed to marry 40 years ago, after meeting four years earlier.
''I guess it was a long engagement,'' Ms Keeble said cheerily.
For Kelly Middleton and Amanda Dollente, the wait to marry has not been quite so long. The Auburn couple has been together for 1½ years and they were the first in line outside the administration building.
''We've been so anxious about this,'' Ms Middleton, a 24-year-old aerospace quality inspector said. ''This day couldn't have come soon enough for us.''
The atmosphere resembled a party - the crowd cheered, horns from passing cars signalled approval and a makeshift choir sang Chapel of Love.
The county opened the gates at 10pm before officially issuing the first licences after midnight.
County staffers said they were happy to work extra hours on such a festive occasion.
''This is marriage,'' a county spokesman Cameron Satterfield said. ''It's one of the few happy things that we get to do in government.''
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Synology Launches SAS-Enabled Flagship 10-bay 2U RS10613xs+ NAS and RX1213sas Expanderby Ganesh T S on 11/13/2012 8:59 AM EST
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FoV001 - Wednesday, November 14, 2012 - linkI am on the market for a good NAS solution for home use. I was thinking about getting the Synology DiskStation DS412+.... What do you think? Any recommendations? I have no problem waiting a bit longer if a better one will be available by the holidays. Reply
Lovolt - Wednesday, November 14, 2012 - linkI've started looking at the Synology DiskStations as well. From reading an Anand article from a while back, the Synology has a fairly straight forward naming scheme. The DS412+ is a four bay system that was designed for sell during 2012. The + means it has a higher read/write throughput than the DS412. As such, there should be a DS413 and DS413+ coming out relatively soon (I forget which, but one of them is listed on the Synology website).
As far as I can tell, USB 3.0 support seems to be one of the new selling points. I'm unsure if the CPU has been upgraded (as the article above states, it's hard to figure our which CPU it uses based on the spec sheet and I'm not up to date on all of the Atom flavors). Reply
Zebble - Tuesday, May 07, 2013 - linkWould highly recommend the DS412+, having owned the DS209, DS410, DS411+ and now the DS1812+, I highly recommend any of the "+" models as they are x86-based and can run more software/packages than the non-"+" versions. Doesn't look like there will be a DS413+ this year, likely because the difference in Atom CPU's hasn't been as significant since the release of the DS412+. The 5-bay DS1513+ seems to be the lowest-priced Atom-based Synology currently available.
This chart is helpful on finding overall spec's, and most importantly the CPU being used:
http://forum.synology.com/wiki/index.php/What_kind... Reply


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It's time to snuggle up on the lounge, pull out the popcorn and tune your TV to ABC1, because your favourite show, Wild Life at the Zoo is on air again. This time, you can catch all your favourite zoo keepers, vets and animals on Friday nights at 8pm.
Once again, you'll get a look at what our wild world is like, from the inside out. You'll see all the successes and setbacks that have taken place over the year, and watch the trials and tribulations of some of our more political animals, like the meerkat females who declare war for the alpha position.


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In recent years, food and technology have become so intertwined that they've begun referring to one another as brothers from another mother. Not a week goes by that we don't see some cool new food-related innovation that could very well change how we chomp forever. Why, here are two now!
First up, a baby bib that proves the age old saying "one man's trash is another man's treasure." The ridiculously named Goo Period Vincent Van Bib is a simple concept. Basically, it's a bib with a frame on it. That way, when the baby in your life inevitably spills food all over themselves, you can pass it off as art. It's only $7 which is around how much money Vincent Van Gogh made in his lifetime.
Speaking of Vincent Van Gogh, it really sucks when wine goes bad. The Savino is poised to ensure you never have to throw away a half-full bottle again. The genius in this product is the float mechanism, which acts as a barrier between those two ancient enemies, wine and oxygen. Once you pour the wine in and seal it shut, it will remain drinkable for another week. The bad news? Now you don't have an excuse to polish off an entire bottle in a night.


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OpenCog is an Open Source software project aimed at directly confronting the AGI challenge, based on mathematics and using biologically inspired algorithms, including algorithms for common-sense reasoning and machine learning. Components include natural language processing and speech generation, robotics, game control, and vision.
The Link Grammar Parser (link-grammar) is a syntactic parser of English, Russian, Arabic, and Persian (and other languages as well), based on link grammar, an original theory of English syntax. Given a sentence, the system assigns to it a syntactic structure, which consists of a set of labelled links connecting pairs of words. The parser also produces a "constituent" (Penn tree-bank style phrase tree) representation of a sentence (showing noun phrases, verb phrases, etc.). The RelEx extension provides dependency-parse output.
WebAnno is a general purpose Web-based annotation tool for a wide range of linguistic annotations. It offers annotation project management, freely configurable tagsets, and the management of users in different roles. It uses technology from the brat rapid annotation tool for visualizing and editing annotations in a Web browser. It supports annotation and visualization of arbitrarily large documents, pluggable import/export filters, the curation of annotations across various users, and farming out annotations to a crowdsourcing platform.
JWKTL (Java-based Wiktionary Library) is an application programming interface for the free multilingual online dictionary Wiktionary. Wiktionary is collaboratively constructed by volunteers and continually growing. JWKTL enables efficient and structured access to the information encoded in the English, German, and Russian Wiktionary language editions, including sense definitions, part of speech tags, etymology, example sentences, translations, semantic relations, and many other lexical information types.
DKPro WSD provides UIMA components which encapsulate corpus readers, linguistic annotators, lexical semantic resources, WSD algorithms, and evaluation and reporting tools. You configure the components, or write new ones, and arrange them into a data processing pipeline. DKPro WSD is modular and flexible. Components which provide the same functionality can be freely swapped. You can easily run the same algorithm on different data sets, or test several different algorithms on the same data set.
TWSI is software that produces lexical substitutions in context for over 1000 frequent nouns. It processes English text. This functionality is realized by a supervised word sense disambiguation system, which is trained by sense-labeled occurrences of target words. A classification model is trained for each word, and used to decide which sense an unseen occurrence most likely belongs to. Associated with senses are lists of substitutions, which are injected into the text using inline annotation.
DKPro Core is a collection of software components for natural language processing (NLP) based on the Apache UIMA framework. Many powerful and state-of-the-art NLP components are already freely available in the NLP research community. New and improved components are being developed and released continuously. The components cover the whole range of NLP-related processing tasks. DKPro Core provides wrappers for such third-party tool as well as original NLP components. DKPro Core builds heavily on uimaFIT which allows for rapid and easy development of NLP processing pipelines.
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Now that is a contract! lol I imagine they are paying these guys quite a bit of money to not only train the rebels on how to secure these chemical weapons if captured, but to also have contractors on the ground and monitor these weapons on the battlefield itself. Very dangerous and that has DBA written all over it.
As to whom is providing this training and monitoring is up in the air. I had written a post about Syria's chemical weapons and MANPADS and the concerns with that, and in it I mentioned Tetra Tech as a possible solution for at least helping to clean up and secure 'captured' or 'destroyed and captured' chemical munitions. But for this particular story, I have no clue who the contractor is or if they are looking for folks. (if any readers have an idea, let me know and I will make the edit)
The other really ugly thought on this, is the absolute disaster this would create in the cities of Syria. Meaning if entire cities are coated with the oily VX Nerve agent all over everything, then after the war, someone is going to have to go in there and clean it all up. Or how would you like to by Syria's neighbor? yikes…. Yet again, this would be a task for a competent chemical munitions cleanup company and that kind of contract would be insanely dangerous. The question is, will Assad cross the red line and use chemical weapons in his war?
Finally, the other bitter reality in all of this is the threat of losing control of these weapons. Hence why there are monitors on the ground keeping eyes on these things. But in warfare, it never fails to amaze me about the ingenuity of each side of a conflict and how they are able to use deception to continue the fight and gain advantage. Do we have eyes on all of these weapons, and can we control all the events in regards to these weapons? Well, rebels have certainly gotten their hands on captured MANPADS, and that might give us a clue as to the chemical weapons reality. We will see how this plays out…. –Matt
Sources: U.S. helping underwrite Syrian rebel training on securing chemical weapons
By Elise Labott
December 9, 2012
The United States and some European allies are using defense contractors to train Syrian rebels on how to secure chemical weapons stockpiles in Syria, a senior U.S. official and several senior diplomats told CNN Sunday.
The training, which is taking place in Jordan and Turkey, involves how to monitor and secure stockpiles and handle weapons sites and materials, according to the sources. Some of the contractors are on the ground in Syria working with the rebels to monitor some of the sites, according to one of the officials.
The nationality of the trainers was not disclosed, though the officials cautioned against assuming all are American.
One of the aims, the sources said, is to try to get real time surveillance of the sites because the international community would not have time to prevent the use of the weapons otherwise. The program could explain how U.S. intelligence was able to learn what U.S. officials said was evidence the Assad government is mixing precursors for chemical weapons and loading those compounds into bombs. The intelligence, one U.S. official told CNN last week, came not just from satellite surveillance, but also from information provided by people. The official would not say whether the human intelligence came from telephone intercepts, defectors or people inside Syria.


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For Williamstown's three seniors, their final season wasn't as successful as they had hoped, but they are still taking away fond memories of their time wearing the orange and black.
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Best Dressed: Shop The Week In Outfits
The Grammys are on Sunday and by fashion stands it falls more on the spectrum of spectacle than show. Musicians have notoriously wacky tastes and while sometimes that can mean you find your soul/sole sister (see Lady Gaga and Donatella Versace), it can also mean that there are more red carpet disasters than successes. Either way, its fun to watch. I've put together a list of what I hope will happen on Sunday night. You never know.
This might be my biggest wish for the Grammys: I really hope and pray that somehow Lenny Kravitz figures out how to make a flaming dress for Alicia Keys so that when she arrives, she can sing "This girl is on fire!!!!" à la The Hunger Games. In the event that Lenny is unable to do this, the next best thing would be for Alicia Keys to wear this flame-hued gown from Gucci.
Ahead of the Curve Heels


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