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Intel Core 2 CULV Roundup: Who Needs Atom?by Jarred Walton on 2/4/2010 4:00 AM EST
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diego10arg - Monday, March 15, 2010 - linkHi all,
I am trying to upgrade my Atom 270N netbook and my primary and only concern is FullHD Playback through HDMI. I will be using an external harddrive for backup and storage purposes, so HD does not matter.
After looking for a while I found several laptops with Celeron ULV 723, Athlon Neo MV-40, SU4100 and SU7300.
So far I got this prices (I live in Argentina, prices are in USD)
. MSI Wind 210-050AR, Athlon Neo MV-40, 2GB RAM, HD250Gb > 609 USD
. MSI X340-241AR, Celeron ULV 723 1.2Ghz, 2GB RAM, HD320Gb > 699 USD
. Dell Inspiron 11z, ULV SU4100, 2Gb RAM, HD160Gb > 709 USD
. ASUS AU UL30A-QX050D, ULV SU7300, 4Gb RAM, HD320GB > 915 USD
What differences are between CULV 723 and SU4100?
What would you buy? Why?
Thanks all!
DiEGO Reply
Daeros - Monday, March 01, 2010 - linkAny word on how something like the 1201n will perform with the new GPU-accelerated versions of Firefox and IE? I feel the current-gen Intel graphics are just unacceptable, so the Ion and AMD laptops are more attractive, but I don't want to feel like I'm trapped in molasses when I browse the interwebs. Reply
fwacct4 - Monday, February 15, 2010 - linkI would like to see noise levels tested for laptops. The thing with desktops is that you can actually hide them some place where noise doesn't bother people, but laptops are always right in front of you, and some laptops have a very annoying high-pitch noise that is noticeable because they are so close to the user.
I'm sure there are a lot of people interested in having quiet laptops, so I hope that noise level can be compared among laptops as well, and especially with CULV processors which are low voltage, there is an opportunity to present a particular model as being particularly quiet, which would really be a selling point for some. Reply
JarredWalton - Tuesday, February 16, 2010 - linkAll of the CULV laptops tend to run very quiet, to the point where my SPL meter has trouble detecting the noise level over the background noise in the room (around 30dB). Even under a heavy stress test like CINEBENCH, the fans rarely reach a level that I would consider distracting (so typically under 35dB). When you're not running a stress test, the fans are often stopped. Out of the three, the Gateway EC5409u seems to be a bit quieter, likely because it's larger and has even more room inside to dissipate heat, but the others weren't loud by any stretch. Reply
viewwin - Tuesday, February 09, 2010 - linkI would like to see the next version of Ion mixed with a CULV CPU for a decently powerful HTPC. Reply
acron1 - Tuesday, February 09, 2010 - linkA couple of weeks ago I was looking to replace my Toshiba NB205 with something small but with a bit more punch. I ended up with the Toshiba Satellite T115D-S1125 primarily because of the HD3200 graphics. I knew that in terms of battery life the Intel based solutions are better choices but I wanted the extra graphics power available from ATI. Battery life while browsing the web, some flash and email is just over 5 hours... Reply
Hrel - Saturday, February 06, 2010 - linkI'm still waiting for a CULV laptop with a screen of AT LEAST 1600x900 and a dedicated GPU that's about equivalent to the GT240 from Nvidia; I'd prefer it be from Nvidia but since I want DX11 AMD will do fine; the 5series really steps it up. Asus has what I agree is the best CULV laptop, I just want the CPU overclocked to 2GHz, a screen with a resolution of 1600x900 and a GPU about as powerful as a GT240 for 1000 bucks or less. That's totally reasonable. And I want it NOW! 15" chassis too, btw. Reply
Schugy - Friday, February 05, 2010 - linkI don't think that I care about the time I can wait in front of my Netbook but I need to know whether the battery can encode xxx thousand frames to complete the task. Reply
JarredWalton - Friday, February 05, 2010 - linkIn that case, FPS is a more useful figure than the time taken, since you don't know how many frames are in the video we choose to test. (For reference, we use a 1080p MPEG2 video for the DivX test with 719 frames.) You would also need to know how long the battery lasts under a heavier CPU load, which I haven't shown here. If you look at the "100% CPU power draw" figure and divide the battery capacity by that amount, you can get an estimate... but the power settings will definitely come into play.
Let's see if I can help: a 90 minute DVD as an example encoded into DivX would require the encoding of approximately 162000 frames. Now our test results show 5.14 FPS, but that's a far more complex 1080p encode. DVD quality should be a lot faster. A quick test of a 3978 frame chapter of a DVD yields an encode rate of 43.71 FPS (91.0 seconds) on the Gateway EC5409u. That means for a 90 minute 30 FPS DVD (like my test video), you'd need at least 61.77 minutes of battery life. I don't even need to run a test to say that it wouldn't be a problem for CULV on that sort of encode. Atom N450 would still take about 40~50% longer, but again that's not a problem.
Then again, the default settings result in a low quality encode. If you do a 2-pass DivX encode targeting better quality, total time required increases over two-fold. I just tried it out and the EC5409u managed to encode the same 3987 frame DVD chapter in 237s, or 16.83 FPS. That means roughly 2.7 hours for a 90 minute DVD, or over 3.5 hours for a two hour DVD encode. If that's what you're trying to do, it's unlikely you'll manage the entire encode while on battery. Reply
buzznut - Thursday, February 04, 2010 - linkI have the 8200M chipset, I really wouldn't recommend it for gaming. As the article suggests, a discrete graphics option would be better. I think the chipsets that allow the discrete card to turn off when not needed to save battery life are the best options.
My laptop has a 2.1 Ghz dual core and 4 gigs of ram, with 4 gigs ready boost. It can't game very well, its heavy and the battery life is atrocious. It gets quite hot while watching video, probably the cpu while using flash, and struggles with hidef.
Given today's options, I would not have gone with the notebook I currently have, as it is too big to carry with the addition of my enormous and heavy chem and bio books. Why drag it along when the battery will die after 2 hours? Most days it sits on a bed side table. I think I would go for a culv with the switchable chipset I mentioned. I am quite jealous of my wife's netbook and 8 hour battery life.
Nice article, it would be nice to visit again in 6 months to see how the mobile market changes. Reply
yyrkoon - Thursday, February 04, 2010 - linkJarred. Without even having to read the article/comparison here, I could have told you this would have been a no brainer.
Last year I purchased a Toshiba Laptop with a T3400 CPU in it for less than $400( barely ) with free shipping. Now technically, this CPU is labeled as a "Pentium dual core. What that means exactly, I am not sure. But what I can tell you about this complete system is that at max load, it draws less than 40W( 17W light duty / idle ), and will play all but the most intense games reasonably well.
Now what really surprised me about this laptop, after the fact that I did not think it could even play Hellgate: london( and it does, well, mostly ). Was that it encodes h264 video at close to the same speed as my desktop. Granted, my desktop is somewhat aged, but is no slouch. A P35 based system running an E6550 with 4GB of ram. Over Clocked to run 1:1 with the memory( 2.8Ghz ). Now perhaps I am missing something here, like perhaps Handbrake is not the best app to use to encode h264 ( x264 ), or maybe I am missing something else. Either way, I am fairly impressed. Which as I get older is something that is not as easy as it once was to do.
So my point here, is that if an older system based off older technology can do well in this arena. I can see why newer technology can put the Atom to shame for a slightly higher price, and slight higher power consumption.
One thing that does have me confused. Is why vendors/ OEM's have not implemented low power / performance parts for the common desktop. There certainly is an interest, all one has to do is search the web for a while and find 1000's of people out there trying to do different various things along these lines.
For instance. Many of us possibly know that getting a low power desktop is not much of a challenge(read: ~50W full load, including an LCD ). However, popping in a discrete video card that has any sort of decent performance will more than likely triple your load at the wall. Why nVIdia/ATI insist on bleeding us dry with costs on the cards, and then insult us further by requiring us to buy an even bigger power supply. Not to mention the first born children we're obligated to give our local power companies for powering such beasts. Is it too much of a stretch of imagination to put a mobile graphics processor on a PCI-E 16x PCB ? I think not.
With the above said. No, this does not imply gaming. Discrete graphics vs. integrated / onboard is a huge performance gain on its own. There are many different application out there that could benefit from this, and gaming is just a minor part of that. Reply
Souka - Thursday, February 04, 2010 - linkMy brother bought a HPmini netbook for our Mom, she hated how slow and unresponsive it was.
All she did on it was read her hotmail, look at some gardening sites, and read the news... She was quite disappointed how slow it was compared to her 8 year old Pentium4 thinkpad laptop.
I tweaked it best I could for performance, cpu typically wasn't very busy, 200mb+ free ram, hard drive not too busy... just plain sluggish.
I even removed the Antivirus and all unecssary runtime apps... no noticible difference
Ended up getting her a cute little used Sony Vaio ULV book... she loves it...and I paid just a bit more than the netbook.
Oh yeah...the Vaio gets 5-8hrs run time on used battery... nice
Mumrik - Thursday, February 04, 2010 - linkThe display is "11.6" LED Glossy 16:9 768p (1366x768)" in the box for the Gateway. It should be 15.x... Reply
aglennon - Thursday, February 04, 2010 - linkI always wondered, Would battery life when playing videos be longer if you played the videos off of a flash drive rather than the hard drive?
You could put the hard drive to sleep to save on the battery draw. Or would you? Reply
JarredWalton - Friday, February 05, 2010 - linkMy experience is that powering of the hard drives may not occur as frequently as you would expect. Even when idle for over an hour, if you look at a running laptop you will often see the HDD activity light blinking periodically. I can try to test this, but I'd be surprised if the results change much. They could even become worse because of all the USB activity.... Hmmm, this could be interesting. Would USB flash drive model make a difference? Most of my flash drives are pretty old/slow, but they should handle movies fine. Reply
aglennon - Friday, February 05, 2010 - linkIt seems it may. I think it would depend if you could truly put the HD into standby mode. In the specs I've been able to find, USB flash drives pull about 60-80mA compared to WD 2.5" Hard Drives which pull about 500mA when running, 400Ma when idle, but only 50mA when in standby.
I would think it would expand battery life considerably for those long airplane flights. Reply
JarredWalton - Friday, February 05, 2010 - linkTesting is underway. I had to use DivX, since my largest USB device is only 4GB and my x264 video is larger than that. Either way, it should be enough to tell if things have changed at all. (I also need to verify the result with the HDD, since I think I have a different DivX codec doing the work now. I used Win7's native support initially, since it's lower CPU use and better battery life than ffdshow.) Reply
JarredWalton - Sunday, February 07, 2010 - linkSo here are the results (bearing in mind that I am not using the built-in Win7 codec because the ffdshow codec has taken priority and I didn't want to take the time to figure out how to fix the problem):
DivX from USB: 268 minutes
DivX from HDD: 291 minutes
So, by my testing using a USB flash stick reduced battery life by around 8%. Ouch. Or put another way, it looks like USB increased average power use from around 12.8W for the HDD to 13.9W (based on battery capacity).
My best guess is that the HDD isn't powering down, and/or the USB traffic is creating a lot more CPU usage than SATA HDD accesses. It's also entirely possible that the USB device I used is less than optimal - read/write speeds are nowhere near what you could get with a modern USB 2.0 stick, let alone USB 3.0. I think it can read/write at 13MB/s at best. Reply
crimson117 - Thursday, February 04, 2010 - linkHow does the recently released Alienware m11x stack up? Reply
synaesthetic - Friday, February 05, 2010 - linkHardware Heaven has a review of the M11x already up. They're claiming that it's the best Alienware system yet.
I'm on the fence. I don't like the design much and I think the screen's too small for the weird form factor. Really I think they should have bumped the chassis size up slightly and tossed in a 13.3" display.
The price is very tempting though... entry-level configs starting at $800 and directly competing with systems like Asus's UL30Vt, but with a LOT more graphics muscle. Reply
JarredWalton - Thursday, February 04, 2010 - linkStill waiting for a review unit. I am also curious to see if Alienware allows overclocking, similar to the ASUS UL series. If they do, and with the GT335M, the m11x is going to be a very speedy machine in many respects. Of course, it's going to cost close to $1000 I imagine, but the features will probably make it worthwhile. Reply
synaesthetic - Friday, February 05, 2010 - linkThere is a BIOS option to overclock the FSB on the M11x. According to the review, the SU7300 was overclocked to 1.6GHz with a respectable boost in performance and a negligible increase in heat (only a degree or two hotter). Reply
yyrkoon - Thursday, February 04, 2010 - linkI could not get past the brand name personally. Many people out there do their best to avoid the "greatness" that is Acer. I am just one of those people.
clarkn0va - Thursday, February 04, 2010 - linkMaybe my information is just out of date, but my knowledge of the Acer Timelines differs somewhat from the information presented in this article.
For starters, Jarred is stating that they have plastic covers. I own a 3810T and the cover is brushed aluminum (or a really good fake), thank goodness.
Secondly, it was my understanding that (at least some of) the TZ models had switchable graphics, enabling the user to switch from Intel to AMD graphics on the fly. Perhaps this isn't offered any more.
Lastly, and this is not Jarred's mistake, just an unfortunate reality, mine came with an 80GB Intel G1 SSD. This not only improves performance markedly, but should help to extend battery life. I think it's a shame that more desktops and laptops don't include this option. Reply
AmbroseAthan - Thursday, February 04, 2010 - linkI was going to comment on this too. There are A LOT of differences within each Timeline series. I know there are 1810T's with aluminum rather then the plastic, and the new Olympic editions are very nice.
Personally I own the 1810T (black plastic with SU7300) and couldn't be happier with it. It does have some of the problems Jarred listed, but you quickly adjust to the size of the trackpad; I haven't had any issues dragging things around the screen.
My brother owns the 3810T (Brushed aluminum w/ SU7300), and it is much more polished then the 1810T (blakc plastic). The little extra size really helped Acer make it a much nicer laptop. Even his keyboard is of a different material/style then mine. The touchpad is also different. He got his only a couple weeks after me, and I gladly would have taken the slight extra weight for the updates it had to everything else had I known. Reply
JarredWalton - Thursday, February 04, 2010 - linkIf I'm not mistaken (and I admit, I might be -- curse Acer and their plethora of SKUs that are all very similar!), the aluminum Timeline models are more expensive than the plastic models. At a price of around $750 to $800, I'd go with the ASUS UL80Vt and get switchable graphics. The Olympic Edition of the 1810 does look very nice, but can anyone confirm that it's truly aluminum? Look at http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8...">these pictures and it appears to be glossy plastic to me. Still, it's got the right parts and price ($550), if you're okay with the keyboard action. Reply
jabber - Thursday, February 04, 2010 - linkI'm a convert! Since I got my Inspiron 13Z with its 7300 it's been great. Similar grunt to an old P4 2.8Ghz dual core with a Nvidia 105 GPU and 4GB of ram.
For a small laptop its perfect. Plays games just fine and if I set it to balanced power it can run for 8 hours+ easily. Reply
tno - Thursday, February 04, 2010 - linkI hope not to start a flame war or cause any hard feelings or upset on Jarred's part, but I feel it's worth pointing out that this piece could have really used a polish. One of the great things about AT is that the coverage and the writing have always been equally high in quality. Certainly, the occasional typo or awkward sentence would sneak out, but on the whole it could be trusted that the articles read as if they had been reviewed by an editor.
This article, however, did not feature the typical AT polish; a fact which was evident in the very first sentence:
"A couple years back, ASUS released the first netbook on an unsuspecting world."
While a conversational tone is certainly appreciated, the absent 'of' between the second and third word mar this sentence. The opening paragraph continues with several sentences which reach or border on being run-ons; and could easily stand the presence of a few semi-colons. Typos and word misuse ("differentiator" is a specialization mechanism in cell biology, and not a general term for the variable that separates members of a population) litter the first page, and would no doubt have been caught by a copy editor.
Again, I am absolutely a fan of this site and the wonderful articles produced here. Letting mistakes like these slip past, however, diminish the articles to the level of blog posts and not quality technical journalism. As the number of writers and staffers grow, it becomes harder to enforce high writing standards. If it hasn't been done, perhaps it's time to consider hiring some proof readers?
tno Reply
QuietOC - Thursday, February 04, 2010 - linkHaha, Jarred lifted some of that wording from a sample review I submitted to them: "A few months later ASUS released the original Eee PC on the unsuspecting world market." There's nothing particularly unique about the language. I wouldn't be surprised if I unconsciously borrowed it myself. Reply
JarredWalton - Thursday, February 04, 2010 - linkThe use or omission of the word "of" in the first sentence is entirely a stylistic preference. "A couple years ago..." or "A couple of years ago..." mean the same thing, with an extra syllable in the latter. As for differentiator:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Differentiator">differentiator - a person who (or that which) differentiates.
I am using it as the latter, and it is correct in that sense. Sorry if I view the English language as more fluid than others, but I have no qualms about playing with words as I see fit. I would hope most people are more interested in the technical content than whether or not I follow the MLA guidelines.
If you really want to complain about my writing style, you'd be far better off saying that I have a bad case of word diarrhea, IMO. I write far more text than I often feel is necessary, but then if I omit certain aspects of a review I always get someone complaining that I "didn't talk about feature xxx". Another potentially valid complaint would be my use of parenthetical comments and phrases set off by dashes--and I'm sure I use dashes incorrectly at times! ;) Reply
tno - Friday, February 05, 2010 - linkJarred,
Again, I am not writing to instill any ill will. But technical content is only half of the product. Grammar and style are not mutually exclusive, and the proof of this is the use of style guides like the MLA, or Strunk and White, or even that of fellow online publication Engadget. These guides do more than just tell you where to use a comma; they seek to elevate and standardize the quality of writing for a publication.
Now I am all for introducing personal style to an article. And I am always impressed with the technical fidelity and content of AT writing. AT articles are more than just spec sheets and test results; they are pieces of writing. Arguing that omission of the preposition connecting two nouns is a matter of style is ignoring proper grammar with no gain. It is inexcusable for the writing component of any AT articles to be neglected, even if the technical content is of a high caliber.
Again, I am not trying to cause you any grief, nor imply that your writing is insufficient for inclusion on AT. I am simply pointing out that a small amount of editing and proofreading could go along way to improve all of AT's coverage.
I believe that this discussion has probably moved beyond the scope of the comments section and invite you to look-up my email through the forums if you would like to continue discussing this.
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JarredWalton - Friday, February 05, 2010 - linkSadly (I suppose) I'm usually the one doing editing of other articles. It's much more difficult to edit your own content, especially after you've been over it ten times in the process of writing.
But seriously, I find it astonishing that out of all the articles written on AnandTech and all the mistakes present in said articles, you would choose to complain about something so innocuous as "A couple years back" vs. "A couple of years back". We could also rephrase it "Just over two years ago" and it would be correct. I suppose http://www.thefreedictionary.com/couple">I'm in the minority when dropping the "of", though again I prefer to stick with informal styles for the most part.
At least we're not having a discussion about my use of "everything but" vs. "everything except"... or was that you as well? LOL Reply
aapocketz - Thursday, February 04, 2010 - linkBack when the macbook Air came out these CULV processor laptops were $2000+, now they have dropped in price and could cannibalize high end netbooks. They are even being confused with netbooks now; consider the new Alienware m11x keeps being called a netbook, even though it uses a CULV.
I have had similar thoughts, and almost purchased a Thinkpad x301 recently for under $800. The only reason I held back was I know these CULV chips are a couple years old now, and there are new I5 and I7 chips coming out soon, forcing prices down even further. When the Core2 CULV ultralights are sub $500, why buy these (bloated) netbooks for similar price? Netbooks originally were supposed to be around $200 or less though.
Also these ultralights have a few more little perks than the netbooks have, like backlit keys (or a "thinklight") - there is not a single netbook with a backlit keyboard.
Shadowmaster625 - Thursday, February 04, 2010 - linkWhy dont you compare the $400 CULV notebooks with the netbooks, since that is the direct competition? Also there should be a Sempron M100 in here somewhere. Reply
macs - Thursday, February 04, 2010 - linkWhat about arrandale ULV? Asus UL30JT is coming soon and he brings core I7-620 ULV and NVIDIA 310M GPU. Should be great!
I want something better than my atom netbook, maybe with a 11.6" screen but I want to wait those new Nehalem ULV... Reply
Visual - Thursday, February 04, 2010 - linkI would love to see also the Acer 1420P / 1820P variants - no need to explore their tablet functionality in this comparison as it is off-topic, but do compare their keyboards, build quality and especially screen quality to the other non-touchscreen options. I've always wondered if touchscreen panels have a noticeably different visual quality.
Also, if I understand correctly all these "current" CULVs are old Core 2/Penryn based, and as such are already old tech despite being launched in the products that you view only very recently. Shouldn't they get replaced with new Nehalem-generation 32nm processors any time soon? Or am I misunderstanding something?
Intel's code names and roadmaps are making my head hurt right now, so I'd really like to know your say on the matter - is there something in the same segment that is worth waiting for on the horizon? Reply
QuietOC - Thursday, February 04, 2010 - linkThe CULVs are all "old" 45nm Penyrn-3M/Wolfdale-3M 82 mm² dies--same core as the desktop E3x0 Celerons, E5x0/E6x0 Pentium Dual Cores, and E7x0 Core 2 Duos. The significant difference is that the CULV SpeedStep goes down to a 4x CPU multiplier during idle, my desktop Wolfdale-3Ms only go down to 6x. The Atom N270 also only goes down to a 6x multiplier. Reply
JarredWalton - Thursday, February 04, 2010 - linkArrandale ULV parts have been announced, but nothing has shipped yet. I'm hoping to get one some time in the next month or two. One thing with the Arrandale ULVs is that they have a TDP of 18W compared to 10W. Obviously part of that is the integration of the new IGP, but there's definitely a question of how low their idle power draw can go. I suspect the initial Arrandale ULV parts will use slightly more power than the current Penryn parts.
Performance is the other question we'll need to answer. Price wise, the newer Arrandale ULV chips run at a stock speed that's slightly lower than SU4100/SU7300 (1.06GHz and 1.20GHz for the http://www.anandtech.com/mobile/showdoc.aspx?i=370...">latest chips), and they also cost quite a bit more than SU4100. But yes, I am very interested to get some new ULV parts for review. Reply
GTaudiophile - Thursday, February 04, 2010 - linkAnand,
Out of curiosity, why not compare with the AMD Turion / Neo / X2 processors by chance? Reply
OMG Snarf - Thursday, February 04, 2010 - linkI've got to agree with this. For the price point of the systems being benched, you can pick up an Athlon Neo X2 for $500, or a Turion Neo X2 for $600, direct from Toshiba with no shipping. Obviously the battery life won't be as good compared to the Intel CULVs, but I would be curious to see how the 12cell stacks up too. With the added $150 cost of the battery, you hit the same costs as the Intel CULV systems ($650), but get a Radeon 3200 instead of the anemic Intel 4500.
JarredWalton - Thursday, February 04, 2010 - linkThe problem comes in getting anyone - and I do mean anyone - to send us AMD laptops for review. The manufacturers seem to view them as bastard step children that should be kept out of view as much as possible. The Gateway NV52 shows what sort of performance you can expect, give or take, as it has a 2.1GHz QL-64 CPU, but battery life on the newer 45nm parts should be better and performance can be a bit higher as well.
Even going to AMD doesn't really help, since they don't want to step on any toes by sending out review units. They would love to do that, but if they did they could easily end up with HP (as an example) saying, "We don't like you sending out our product... so we're going to discontinue that SKU."
Of course, the new Intel HD Graphics actually beat the HD 3200/4200 in quite a few tests as far as I understand things. (I'm still trying to get i3/i5 laptops for review as well.) Even then, HD 3200 at least really struggles in quite a few games to get playable performance - the GeForce 9400M for example looks to be about 60% faster. Reply
MonkeyPaw - Thursday, February 04, 2010 - linkActually, I made a mock-CULV out of my $400 Toshiba notebook, equipped with AMD 3100 graphics and an Athlon X2 QL-65. I use a program called K10stat, which allows you to alter the P-states of K8+ AMD CPUs. By default, the QL-65 is a 35W CPU with a max-clock of 2.1ghz, but after I changed the 2 power states to .9v @ 900mhz and 1.0v @ 1.3ghz, I end up with a CPU that consumes 9-17W, depending on the P-state (it stays mostly in the 9W area). That tweak added about 30 minutes to my battery life (6-cell), matching my company-issued 3-cell HP netbook. Even with the reduced clocks, performance is still massively better on the Toshiba. My wife hasn't noticed or complained about performance yet, though we don't demand much beyond internet, iTunes (sigh), and office/budget stuff. Reply
OMG Snarf - Thursday, February 04, 2010 - linkThat's a darned shame - the manufacturers don't even respond to requests for hardware? I wonder if that's the manufacturers or some super secret Intel clause (conspiracies ahoy!). I guess I'd have to look through the NV52 reviews again, but its nice to know that a 1.5GHz part should equate roughly to a 2.1GHz part.
My issue with the new Intel HD is that right now the Core iX UM systems aren't out that I've seen, and as was detailed in another article, there's still the issue of the L2 cache not being power gated and the later inclusion of SRAM to fix this to provide more power savings, so who's to say where those fit in the ultraportable world at this time? I think that will take time to flesh out, and by that point, there will be another 'Tock' and maybe another minor 'Tick' to fill it out. That's already the end of the year, given Intel's performance for last year. And by that point, there might be another AMD mobile chipset, so it all could be moot.
Finally in reference to the 9400M, the issue is cost. The 3200 can push a few more polys than the 4500 can, so if you want the option is there. The 9400 can, too, if you want to spend double the cost, but the point I got out of this review was low-voltage that was around the Atom/Netbook price point that offered overwhelming performance advantage while still retaining the other features (battery life/portability).
But I digress. Thanks for the response, and while I'm sad to hear that AMD gets treated that way by the manufacturers, its good to know that its not because of any bias on the editorial staff that others like to claim.
So long as the illegal overclocking stops for the i3/i5/i7 and X3150 benchmarks ;) I kid, I kid. Heh. Those were the days. Reply
Drag0nFire - Thursday, February 04, 2010 - linkWell, I'd love to see a review of the AMD-based Lenovo x100e if you can get your hands on it. It may provide competitive performance at the $400-500 price point. Reply
Cuhulainn - Thursday, February 04, 2010 - linkWhen I saw the article I figured one of those reviewed must have been from the Asus UL line. They get mentioned several times, and seem to be the only options with decent gaming ability + battery life. If nothing else one of them should have made the review list for battery life alone. Isn't that a big part of the reason for using a CULV processor? Reply
cblais19 - Thursday, February 04, 2010 - linkIf you look at other reviews on this site, they've done an overview of the UL80vt mentioned in this article, as well as an in depth review. Reply
mschira - Thursday, February 04, 2010 - linkI especially like the Asus approach overclocking the sauce!
I want a 10" overclocked CULV!
Forget iPAD and Atom.
feelingshorter - Thursday, February 04, 2010 - linkDo you mean the 1810TZ in the conclusion? Which is the SU7300 11 inch laptop. The 4810TZ is a 14 inch laptop. Also did you mean 1410 instead of the 3810? Reply
JarredWalton - Thursday, February 04, 2010 - linkNo... I've looked at the 3810TZ, 4810TZ, and 5810TZ at stores, played around with them a bit, etc. They're all better, in my opinion, than the 1410/1810. It's not just a case of being larger, either; the keyboards just don't feel quite so mushy as the 1810 chassis.
The 1410/1810 are good, but more of a "B+" as opposed to "A-". I have no hesitation recommending any of the Acer TZ models that have SU4100, though, which is why I awarded the group (along with the Gateway EC54) a bronze.
Honestly, though, there's plenty of personal preference in what makes a good keyboard. Some people like the soft touch ("mushy" in my view) keyboards, and others like more of a "clicky" keyboard. If you can try any of the Timeline series out - or really any CULV, including the Lenovo U series and a few others I haven't mentioned - and you're happy, the performance is going to be very similar to what I've shown here.
Hope that clears things up. :-) Reply
Roland00 - Thursday, February 04, 2010 - linkDid the 1410 have the battery in them? Due to the design of the chassis (to hide the battery and not have it stick out), the battery provides a lot of support. With the battery inside there is a lot less give on the 1410.
I know for I bought one for 350 with the su2300, 2gb memory, and 160gb hard drive. Reply
JarredWalton - Friday, February 05, 2010 - linkThere's not a ton of flex - nowhere near as bad as some older MSI laptops, for example - but it does have a bit of spring and it's a "soft touch" keyboard, which just feels mushy to me. I prefer a bit more click, and the spacing and shape of the keys on the 1810 wasn't as nice as the 11z. But, that's a lot of personal preference so if you like the 1810 keyboard there's nothing else I'd complain about with the design. Reply
OCedHrt - Thursday, February 04, 2010 - linkMaybe it is just me, but the graphs would be a lot clear if the processors were listed out.
I assume the power draw graphs at the end of the battery page is based on the run time and battery capacity? Reply
JarredWalton - Thursday, February 04, 2010 - linkPower graphs are based on power draw from the outlet, at 100nits LCD brightness, with all power saving features enabled (balanced power profile).
Adding the CPU to each line compresses the graphs in a way I don't like. Just to quickly list the various CPUs:
Acer AO751h = Atom Z520
Acer AS1810T = Core 2 Duo SU7300
ASUS 1201N = Atom 330
ASUS 1005HA = Atom N280
ASUS UL80Vt = SU7300 (dark gold = OCed to 1.73GHz)
Dell Inspiron 11z = Pentium SU4100
Dell Studio 14z = P8600
Gateway EC5409u = Pentium SU4100
Gateway NV58 = Pentium T4300
Gateway NV52 = Athlon X2 QL-64
Gigabyte M1022 = Atom N280
HP Mini 311 = ION with Atom N280
MSI X610 = Athlon MV-40
Ralos - Friday, February 05, 2010 - linkThe title of the article suggest this is a CULV vs Atom showdown. When I look at the graphics, I don't see this, I see a bunch of Acer vs Asus vs HP vs Dell and from what I gather, performance seems to be similar whatever brand the same CPU is sold with, so it really should show the name/speed of the CPUs in there. Reply
JarredWalton - Friday, February 05, 2010 - linkPer request, I've updated the chart colors to highlight other important systems. Atom 330 (ASUS 1201N) is orange, MSI X610 (Athlon MV-40 with HD 4330) is red, ASUS 1005PE (Atom N450 Pine Trail) is dark green, and ASUS 1005HA (Atom N280 Diamondville) is black. Hopefully that will help read the charts. Reply
OCedHrt - Thursday, February 04, 2010 - linkWell, thanks for trying anyways :)
I guess my question is where a Z550 would stack up. Its safe to say it's 50% faster than the Z520, but I don't see that laptop in the performance line up.
I'd wager that it's marginally faster than the ASUS 1005HA with less power draw (but how much less?).
Basically, I'm trying to figure out what is the possibility of a CULV Sony X laptop in the near future ;) It may be unlikely simply due to die size.. Reply
JarredWalton - Thursday, February 04, 2010 - linkI think Z550 gets paired up with the GMA 500 chipset, which is good for HD video decode but I'm not sure that it's actually worth using. I know Linux users don't like it because it's a new proprietary GPU with no driver support.
My experience (which is limited to the Acer 751h) was that it frequently crashed; what I don't know is if that was the chipset, or just a poor sample laptop from Acer. I also know that I've heard from a few readers saying they have one that crashes all the time as well. Hopefully it's the 751h and not the chipset.
As far as power draw, it should be about the same as the other Atom laptops - probably more than the 751h and 1005HA, given the 2.0GHz clock. Even then, look at the two N280 units (ASUS 1005HA and Gigabyte M1022) and you can see that not all netbooks are created equal. The Gigabyte seems to be a poor example of a netbook, though, with much worse battery life than the competition.
At 2.0GHz Atom Z550 will still be much slower than any CULV, so I'd recommend sticking with CULV unless the pricing is very compelling. Reply
OCedHrt - Thursday, February 04, 2010 - linkThe Z550 actually has a slightly lower (0.1) TDP than the N280. It's not the pricing that's compelling, but the form factor: 1.6 lb 11.1" 10.95"(W) x 0.55"(H) x 7.29"(D) Reply
KaarlisK - Friday, February 05, 2010 - linkPower consumption should be lower - the TDP of the entire Poulsbo chipset is only 2.3W. However... the damn GMA 500 is HORRIBLY slow. Even for Aero. And Intel still hasn't (and probably won't) released WDDM1.1/DX10 drivers, even though the hardware supports it. Also, the driver doesn't support 8bpp color at all. Reply
OCedHrt - Friday, February 05, 2010 - linkBest bet is probably to not run windows on this one ^^
I really wish there was a CULV option, even a core solo would be much better.
I saw in some forum that they got OS X running on it. *shudder* Reply
bh192012 - Thursday, February 04, 2010 - linkThen a good comprmise might be to use 2 lines for the description.
Acer A0751h
(Atom Z520)
Acer AS1810T
(Core 2 Duo SU7300)
(Atom 330) etc. Reply
JarredWalton - Thursday, February 04, 2010 - linkIt would be a good idea, if our graphing tool allowed it. :-) Reply


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MEN caught driving at 144mph on a North Yorkshire road have been banned from driving.
Daniel Scott Richardson, 21, and James Burrows, 26, were caught driving at speed on the A19 at Crathorne, near Northallerton.
Richardson, from Batley, was driving a blue Ford Focus RS closely followed by Burrows, of Methley, Leeds, in a Silver Mitsubishi, Lancer Evo on January 3.
They were each given four-month jail terms suspended for 18 months, and banned from the roads for three years after pleading guilty at Northallerton Magistrates' Court to dangerous driving.
They were also each ordered to carry out 300 hours of unpaid work and fined £85 and ordered to pay a £60 victim surcharge.
Dave Brown, North Yorkshire Police's Mobile Safety Camera Manager, said: "The evidence captured by the safety camera shows both vehicles travelling in close proximity at extremely high speed. Any error, no matter how minor, could have been catastrophic for the two drivers, their passengers and other road users.
"The safety camera operator at the time, was utterly astounded by the speed of the vehicles. Members of the public should be allowed to use the roads in safety and should not be put at risk by other, irresponsible and dangerous drivers. I hope our communities can see the value of the safety camera vans when cases such as these are detected and prosecuted."
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Wallaby milk a super bug killer reports The Australian Senior June 2006, p.17. "The humble Australian wallaby might hold the key to defeating the world's deadliest super bugs. Researchers for the Victorian Department of Primary Industries made the discovery while analysing the ingredients of the marsupial milk. They started their research to find out how wallaby joeys - born without a proper immune system - survived until they developed antibodies at 100 days old. By chance they identified a super potent compound in wallaby milk. It turned out to be more than 100 times more effective than penicillin in the fight against antibiotic-resistant bacteria - including golden staph.
Research boss Ben Cocks said the discovery could have a profound impact on both animal and human health. "We made our first observation a bit over a year ago," he said. "Since then we've got much more information about it - about how it's made, and how potent it is. From a biological, evolutionary perspective, it's very interesting because there's no equivalent in humans or in cows. It seems as if the placental mammals lost the gene for this anti-microbial" Mr Cox said the antibiotic compound was relatively easy to synthesise. The next step was to examine if it could be used safely in humans. The team has approached biotechnology companies for help to develop the product."
Editorial Comment: When you state that "It seems as if the placental mammals lost the gene for this anti-microbial", then you are really admitting that this is another example of evolution which is actually devolution - change by loss, particularly when you add the unstated info that there is not the slightest evidence that placental mammals evolved from marsupials (Ref. Australia, kangaroos, monotremes.)
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DETROIT - It's official. The NHL should really be called the NGL, as in National Gimmick League.
It seems like that's all the National Hockey League is about these days, so much so that it messed up an event that was actually pretty cool.
Somehow, the NHL powers-that-be didn't believe that Hockeytown was good enough to host the 2013 Winter Classic.
Instead, they scheduled the Jan. 1 game against the Toronto Maple Leafs and Detroit Red Wings to play at Michigan Stadium. The league simply dissed the fact these two Original Six teams having been playing in Detroit for more than 50 years. Instead, they want to set some silly attendance record by using the Big House to sell more than 100,000 tickets.
It's cheap, it's tasteless. Especially since a few years ago Michigan and Michigan State did it already in a college hockey game in that same venue.
The game should have been played at Comerica Park, in the heart of the best hockey city in America. Instead, it's going to be played in Ann Arbor, nearly 45 miles away in a place not steeped in NHL tradition at all.
To appease Red Wings' owner Mike Ilitch, who really wanted the game in downtown Detroit, the NHL has set up other hockey games at Comerica Park in a two-week period leading up the big title on New Year's Day. There will be an NHL Alumni Showdown, the long-standing Great Lakes Invitational college tournament, two games between Ontario Hockey League teams, one game between the American Hockey League affiliates of Detroit and Toronto, high school and youth contest and even an open skate for the public.
This way, we figure, Ilitch can still sell pizza to help pay for Prince Fielder's $214 million contract he recently signed to join the Detroit Tigers.
Still, it stinks.
Ilitch tried as best he could to sell it at the press conference announcing the now annual event.
"We're really excited for the fans," Ilitch told reporters. "This is one of the greatest sports towns ever and this celebration of the sport of hockey will provide a tremendous positive impact to our community."
Detroit is such a great sports town that the main event won't be played here. Plus, it looks like overkill. How many outside hockey games does the NHL really believe fans want to see in their lives – not nine or 10 in a two-week stretch.
Hello. It will be late December. And although this was a mild winter, there's no guarantee it will be the same next winter. After all, Ilitch might be disappointed when people are drinking hot chocolate instead of eating a frozen Hot-n-Ready.
"We're committed to making this the best NHL Winter Classic, especially with the addition of the inaugural 'Hockeytown Winter Festival,'"' Ilitch said. "We're proud to show the world why we love 'Hockeytown.' I can promise you, there will be something for everyone."
Except an NHL game against two long-time rivals in downtown Detroit. That would have been special. That's what made the Winter Classic, a classic. It was about great teams in great buildings. That was neat, playing hockey at Wrigley Field and Fenway Park in previous Winter Classics.
"The Winter Classic has become a phenomenal event,'' NHL commissioner Gary Bettman said. "It's one of the major events on the sports landscape and we thought we took it to the point where this event made sense. We're now going to take it to another level in terms of scale.''
It sounds good, but the NHL let down a city which has been good to sport that has faded in popularity.
"We wanted to make sure we were doing the right thing for the City of Detroit,'' Bettman said. "With the number of events and everything else, and setting up two rinks and handling this logistically – that's a huge undertaking in terms of manpower and expense. But we were committed because the Ilitches were committed to making sure that, as hosts, Detroit was going to be properly included. And we're doing it in a big way."
Still, the city should have been the centerpiece of the big game, not the side dish.
That's why this event will be good, but not great.
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I got to thinking a little bit about Chris Drury during my 50-minute commute home last night.
Specifically, about a Sunday in the summer of 2007. I was on my way to work that evening when I heard the news that the Rangers had signed Drury AND Scott Gomez to massive free-agent contracts. I walked into the office and proclaimed that the Rangers would be the 2007-08 Stanley Cup champs.
Those contracts — while not quite Reddenesque — turned out to be dreadful. I should have known better at the time. These are the Rangers, after all. (Actually, these WERE the Rangers. I think we're now all enjoying their commitment to building a foundation with young, homegrown talent.)
Anyway, a few hours after I got home last night, I happened to see some highlights from the hockey game that broke out at the fight between the Bruins and Canadiens. Watching Tim Thomas and Carey Price wrestle made me think of our Islander friend Rick "Glass Jaw" DiPietro. Brent Johnson's speed bag easily has the worst contract in NHL history. He's basically getting paid thousands per save, and he'll be collecting until his Social Security kicks in. Where do I sign up?
That, of course, got me to thinking about another brutal Islander contract, the one handed out to Mr. Carol Alt. Alexei Yashin, of course, was the Daniel Boone of bad NHL contracts. He was largely a waste thereafter, although I'm sure he's living happily ever after somewhere.
I stopped thinking too much after that, because I never would have gone to bed, and I wouldn't be able to get any work done today, so I'm throwing this open to all of you. What are some of the worst contracts you can think of? They could be in any sport — I don't discriminate. The puck drops now. Play nice.


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Published: Monday, January 21, 2013 at 1:35 p.m.
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Florida moved up two spots to No. 8 this week in the AP men's college basketball Top 25 poll Monday.
The Gators (14-2, 4-0 SEC), coming off an 83-52 win over Missouri, also moved up to No. 7 ESPN/USA Today Top 25 coaches poll.
Florida next plays Wednesday night at Georgia (7-10, 1-3) for an 8 p.m. tipoff.
Florida coach Billy Donovan said in his news conference that junior forward Casey Prather (high ankle sprain) will be out at least another week. Prather suffered the sprain late in the first half on Jan. 12 against LSU.
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I've stepped into this project, and I've been asked to solve a sticky issue, and I feel like I'm chasing a ghost. Hopefully some of you will have seen this before and can give me some direction.The problem we are facing is the rendered website does not play well with IE9. JavaScript functionality dies when viewed in IE9. It does fine in IE8 and 10.When looking at the source, I see the following:

<blank line>
<blank line>
<blank line>
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
In the code that generates the page, the original programmer is using this:
ob_start(); // Start the Output buffer
include $DIR['templates'].'/'.$template; // include and process the file
$html = ob_get_clean(); // get the contents of the output buffer
The template being used has no white space above the DOCTYPE tag.
When $html is printed/echoed the code is simply,
print $html;
I tried,
print trim($html);
but, that didn't strip those top lines.
The reason I'm focused on those lines is because it appears that it's messing with the headers and IE9 is freaking out.
I'm really at a loss and could use some help.
One quick test you should do:
print 'test'.$html;
See if the white spaces appear before or after test.
Thanks. Did that. The "" was the test text, and it came in below the blank lines.
There may be another reason that this is not working, and it may have nothing to do with the code.
I have been testing this in IE9 on a Windows 7 HOME edition, and it worked.
When tested in IE9 on a Windows 7 PROFESSIONAL edition, it did not.
Same versions of IE9 down to the last digit.
What in the world would be the cause of the problem on the Professional version as opposed to the Home version? (right now there are more indicators that this is the issue instead of the coding...)
Could it be the defaul CSS style sheet that has a large amount of padding/margins assigned by default?
Is it possible that you can gain access to another IE9 on a Windows 7 Pro to see if this is consistent there?
It would really stink, investing a lot of time or changing things when as you alluded to, you are not even sure the code is the problem.
I agree.
We found one computer with Windows 7 Pro installed that would run the site as expected in ie9. All others would not (they also have Win 7 Pro and ie9).
And we're pulling out our hair trying to figure out what is different on that one stupid box that would allow it to work when all others do not. (can you tell I'm frustrated? )
I am hoping that someone else has encountered this and found a solution... but so far, it's not looking very hopeful.
Well, assuming you did exactly as I suggest (except with HTML comment vs "test"), then conclusion would be that the white space is BEFORE the template layer. So your search should be all PHP files loaded before hand, which have white spaces outside of PHP tags.
I agree, and I'm currently going through all the code trimming spaces and such.
If found, I sincerely hope that it clears this up, but it does not explain the inconsitancy between different computers running the same IE 9.
I would assume you have 3 files which probably end liek this:
?>{blank line}
causing the 3 blank lines.
Well... I went through ALL of the .php scripts and found several included files that did NOT have a closing tag (?>) for the script. I also found several scripts with trailing lines after the closing tag.
Cleaning this up, cleaned up the blank lines, and the IE 9 issue.
Thanks guys, for the feedback.
Just to let you know, not closing the PHP tag is actually a better way as it prevents these blank space issues. I always close it though because I'm OCD like that and it just looks unbalanced.
Hmmm.... This is so odd.
These changes worked on my boss's installation of IE 9, but not on others.
Then, someone said, "Hey! It's not working on mine!" She had IE8.
There was no error notification on IE9, but there was on IE8. "console.log" was not recognized.
I commented out all of the instances of the "console.log" call in the javascript and the site functionality began working as it should in all installations of IE9 and IE8.


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JACKSONVILLE, Fla. - Amid the federal government shutdown, seven agencies that run Head Start and Early Head Start programs in Florida don't have funding, including one in Jacksonville.
Rondreka Bronner says it's hard enough taking care of her 1-year-old daughter by herself.
Without funding from WIC, which provides healthy food for women and children, she says it'd be even harder.
"It provides everything, everything that she mostly eats, the cereal that they provide for her, the milk, the rice cakes, all that stuff she eats," Bronner said.
WIC is just one of the things Bronner depends on now in jeopardy due to the government shutdown.
Duval County Early Learning Coalition officials say the program is running as normal right now. Bronner is not only concerned about feeding her daughter, but educating her, too.
"It goes one way. She will no longer have funding for school because that's even much harder, because now I don't have like day care for her while I work if I was decided to work," Bronner said.
Bronner's daughter goes to the Early Head Start program run by Episcopal Children Services of Jacksonville. It's funded by a federal grant, which ran out this month and can't be renewed because the government is shut down.
Instead of closing its doors, the organization is using $250,000 of its own money to keep the centers open for two weeks.
"It's a very painful decision, our board hates it," Connie Stophel said. "We wish we could just fund it indefinitely. This is to allow our parents to find other sources of care and safe care so that tier children will be well taken care of once we do have to close our doors."
That means on Oct. 11, 390 Head Start students with the North Florida Early Learning Coalition in Nassau, Baker, Clay Bradford and Union counties, and 244 Early Head Start students in Duval, Clay and Baker counties won't have class anymore. It also means about 150 staff members will have to stop working.
And for Bronner, it means another worry for her child.
"It's like, who's going to watch her now during those hours, and it just puts more stress on me," she said.
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The freeze on withdrawals from mortgage funds has thawed, at least for those funds that remain open to investors. But there are still billions of dollars of retirees' savings locked up in them.
Mortgage funds took investors' money and offered them daily liquidity while lending the money to property developers and holders of residential mortgages. The mortgages were to be paid back over several years.
In normal times the liquidity mismatch is not a problem, but in October 2008, to shore up confidence in Australia's deposit-taking institutions during the worst of the GFC, the federal government guaranteed bank deposits, including term deposits, but not mortgage funds.
Many mortgage-fund investors wanted their money back to put into term deposits. But the long-dated nature of the mortgages held by the funds meant they could not raise enough cash to repay investors in full.
Most funds allowed investors to withdraw money to a certain limit once a month or quarter, or under hardship conditions, while mostly continuing to pay interest to investors.
Some funds are in the process of closing and are not accepting investor contributions.
These fund managers probably reason the sector is so on-the-nose that their mortgage funds are no longer viable.
The exit of competitor funds and tougher lending criteria for property development by banks could mean higher rates of interest for mortgages supplied by the remaining funds.
A fund analyst at researcher Morningstar, Alex Prineas, says while the returns may be higher in the future, so are the risks. Some of the funds are experiencing significantly higher arrears and defaults compared with historical norms.
Existing mortgages, which are lower-yielding than newer mortgages, will take a while to clear and be a drag on an overall portfolio's returns even if new loans are more profitable, Prineas says.
Morningstar has reviewed five mortgage funds, of which only two - the Howard Mortgage Fund and the Australian Unity Mortgage Income fund - remain open. But Morningstar has given the Howard Mortgage Fund a ''negative'' rating and the Australian Unity Mortgage Income fund a ''neutral'' rating.
There is always the risk of another spike in investors wanting their money back, and returns need to compensate investors for that risk as well as the risks of an increase in defaults.
Over most time periods, the mortgage funds reviewed have underperformed the rate of return on cash as given by the UBS Bank Bill Index or delivered only a tiny premium to cash for the added risks, Prineas says.
That's hardly a ringing endorsement for mortgage funds. What remains of the mortgage-fund sector faces an uphill battle in replacing those leaving the funds by a greater number of new investors.


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Florida position breakdown: Special teams
Published: Sunday, August 24, 2014 at 6:01 a.m.
Last Modified: Saturday, August 23, 2014 at 10:44 p.m.
The upside
Editor's note
This is the last of a seven-part series breaking down the Florida football team.
Perhaps the most encouraging news has been the healthy return of Andre Debose from ACL surgery that sidelined him last season. On a team that could generate little on offense, Debose might have added a spark with his electrifying kickoff return skills. Debose has returned a school-record four kickoffs for touchdowns and is a threat to go the distance on every return. He brings back a dynamic element to the special teams. Almost as encouraging is the fact that punter Kyle Christy, a Ray Guy award finalist in 2012 who fell completely off the college football landscape last season, has worked his way out of his 2013 slump and is back to booming punts like he did two years ago. Christy became so erratic last season that he lost his starting job to true freshman Johnny Townsend. If Christy continues to punt like he has in camp, it will allow the Gators to redshirt Townsend this season and have him for three more years as the probable starter. Seemingly always a strength when it comes to UF special teams, the Gators have a bunch of fast, athletic guys on the return and cover teams who also are threats to block punts and field goals. Also, by all accounts, Austin Hardin and Frankie Velez both performed well in camp and should bring a little more consistency to the field-goal team.
The downside
The Gators enter game week for the opener not sure who their starting field-goal kicker is. Hardin and Velez were pretty much even throughout camp and will settle their competition (for now) on the practice field this week. Hardin and Velez had some problems with consistency in camp, but Will Muschamp attributed some of their misses to bad timing with the snaps and the holds, so that's an issue the Gators will continue to have to deal with. The Gators also may need to change things up with their field-goal block team. Last season, opponents were a rather remarkable 22-of-23 in field goal attempts, and eight-of-eight from 40 yards and longer.
Young guy to watch
True freshman tailback Brandon Powell impressed the coaches with his speed, quickness and explosiveness coming out of cuts in camp. He might have a chance to display those same skills in the return game, bringing another threat to go along with Debose.
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By the way, if the choice actually does come down to keeping Larkin or Castro, I'd keep Larkin in a heartbeat.
By the way, if the choice actually does come down to keeping Larkin or Castro, I'd keep Larkin in a heartbeat.
"But I do know Joey's sister indirectly (or foster sister) and I have heard stories of Joey being into shopping, designer wear, fancy coffees, and pedicures."
Just my take:
Career Stats:
Make that 200, 1000, 400, and 1000 and I think it will be a major push for a HOF bid. Motivation?
Yup, and plenty of it. Also within his grasp if he can play the rest of this year and all next like he has the first half of 2004 is 2,500 hits (he's 16 away from tying Concepcion, btw).Originally Posted by Tools of Ignorance
Why not Tromp?
Originally Posted by Eric_Davis
I don't know if you consider Wilson, Cruz, Clayton (doing better than Larkin) and Izturis doing about equal as doing well this year or not than I don't know what to say. Many others are right behind him or doing better in other categories and they have played more games than him.
I think the toughest of those numbers for Barry to get would be 400 steals. There is no reason for him to retire if he continues to play the way he has, however. He obviously still loves to play, and could be a valuable utility player next year.
I always feel better with Larkin in the lineup batting second. Anyone know what the Reds record is with Larkin at short? Just seems like we do better when he's in there. :GAC:
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This news is the exact opposite of shocking.
But for all the reasons stated, it's probably good news for Barry and the organization.
And I agree that it was classy of Barry to cancel the goodbye party ahead of time.
I wonder how big a deal the press would have made of it if he'd made this announcement at the All-Star Game instead of today.
Makes all the routine posts.
\Originally Posted by TRF
Well, it certainly bothered both Allen and Lindner last fall. They had to get their arm twisted by Reik to get it done. Somehow, I doubt their feelings for barry have changed one bit. The issue goes beyond money, even though it shouldn't.
My speculation is that Allen and Lindner can't wait to get the outspoken captain out of there. I think it's wrong. Actions speak much louder than words.
For example, soon after (if not right after) Barry signed for 2004, he said he wouldn't rule out playing in 2005. .. Yet Allen went ahead and scheduled his retirement day anyway.
And maybe Barry waited until now to ask for the cancelation of his day because he KNEW Allen didn't want to cancel it. Now with Barry on the AS team, Allen would look pretty stupid not to go along with it.
That said, it's nice to see Allen (at least publicly) handle it with grace this time.
Thank you Walt and Bob for bringing winning baseball back to Cincy -- it was nice while it lasted..
Nov. 13, 2007: One of the greatest days in Reds history: John Allen gets the boot!
I agree on all counts, REDREAD.
Makes all the routine posts.
I definitely don't view it that way. I think he's doing it now because he doesn't want MLB to throw his retirement party at the All-Star game when he is considering coming back next year. In other words Barry's being thoughtful.Originally Posted by Doc. Scott
I hope he does come back if things go well the rest of this season. An amazing athlete!
I really hope they make him a player/coach for next year. If they do something like that then i'm absolutely thrilled!
Look!!! Over on the grassy knoll....It's John AllenOriginally Posted by REDREAD
We might regret seeing Larkin as a shell of his former self at the time, but as soon as he hangs 'em up, we'll forget all that, just as the fact that Michael Jordan ever suited up for the Washington Wizards is already vanishing from our collective memory.Originally Posted by smith288
Babe Ruth. Willie Mays. Henry Aaron. Etc. Etc. Most of the game's greats hung on past the point of being great, or even good. Johnny Bench's last three years were spent as a mediocre corner infielder. In the hindsight of history, who really cares? Some people are able to step away on a high note, others will hang on until they can't find anyone willing to give them a uniform to wear, and it really doesn't make any difference in the end. Whatever Barry wants to do is fine with me. (Which is not the same as saying the Reds have an obligation to accommodate him.)
At 1st I was upset as I was going to the game in hopes of seeing his last 2 games ever which I probably won't do next season, but I love Barry and having him around is not a bad thing and I can't blame him seeing what he is doing and the lack of SS to start he sees an opportunity to make sure he makes the HOF which I think at this point is a big deal to him. The player/coach idea is interesting, but I don't think they will do that.
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Edmund Thorpe Charlesworth, Sr. - Obituary
Edmund Thorpe Charlesworth, Sr. on Monday, May 10, 2010, age 98. Mr. Charlesworth, a lifelong resident of the Cold Point section of Plymouth Meeting, was born May 5, 1912 in the Frankford section of Philadelphia. At an early young age he moved with his parents to Norristown. He was the son of the late Thomas J. Charlesworth and Sarah Jane (Irons) Charlesworth and the loving husband of the late Virginia Alberta (Miller) Charlesworth, who passed away in 1999. He was the brother of the late Marian Morris and Thomas J. Charlesworth, Jr.
Mr. Charlesworth was a veteran of the Pennsylvania National Guard, C Company, 1st Battalion, 111th Infantry in Norristown having joined in 1938 and retiring in 1968, achieving the rank of Master Sergeant. He was also a veteran of WWII having enlisted in the Army Air Force in 1943. He was assigned to the 353rd Bomb Squadron of the 301st Bomb Group in the 15th Air Force based at Foggia Field Italy. Then Tech Sergeant Charlesworth became the flight engineer and top turret gunner on a B-17 Flying Fortress. On December 18, 1944 his B-17 was shot down over Yugoslavia. All ten of the crewmen were forced to bail out of the damaged plane in enemy territory. Being spread out, some were captured and some escaped and evaded. After several weeks of being missing in action, Sergeant Charlesworth made it back to Italy, after which he rejoined his bomb group and continued flying bombing missions until being discharged on June 19, 1945.
Mr. Charlesworth was also a lifelong member of the Norristown Masonic Lodge F & AM, No. 620 having achieved the the 32nd degree level. He will be sorely missed by his friends and constituents.
During his civilian years Mr. Charlesworth was employed at the former Alan Wood Steel Company having retired in 1977. He then worked part time as a security officer for Spectra Guard. In his spare time Mr. Charlesworth took college courses and pursued his dream of becoming a Paleontologist. His favorite pastime was going out on digs in various locations.
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I could use some input:
On Sunday, 5/23 my baby daughter is getting baptised. Afterwards, we're having 9 people over to our place to eat. People will be relatively dressed up. I'm making food. I'd like to cook the majority of stuff out on my Weber Genesis Gold C (gas) grill, as the oven will heat up the house too much.
Any suggestions on what I might serve? Like I said, people will be dressed up, and will be eating off plates on their laps, so nothing that really requires a knife and fork, and nothing too sloppy. One thought I have is chicken satays.
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In addition to the biggest game in the sports world that will be played out at the Superdome Sunday evening in New Orleans, we're also going to be treated to some great entertainment too.
The weekend kicks off with VH1's Best Super Bowl Concert Ever with headliner Train Friday evening on VH1 at 8p. Justin Timberlake will be part of a private event for DirecTV.
The day of the Super Bowl, Matchbox Twenty and OneRepublic will appear on the annual NFL Tailgate Party on CBS before the game and right before the game gets underway, there will be a very special performance from the Newtown kids of Newtown, CT. who will sing "America The Beautiful" during the pre-game show then Alicia Keys will sing the national anthem.
We'll then watch the San Francisco 49ers and the Baltimore Ravens play in Super Bowl 47 while being entertained by commercials and for half time, we'll get to catch a performance from Beyonce featuring a reunion with members of her previous group Destiny's Child. I'm sure there will be a few other surprise guests during the show too!
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LANCASHIRE MPs have expressed disappointment that the Commonwealth Games baton relay is set to bypass the county altogether.
The Queen's Baton Relay to mark the Games coming to Glasgow this summer will visit England for two weeks from May 31.
The final stage of the 'international' leg of the relay will see the baton travel south from Manchester on May 31 to London and then back up north via Newcastle to its final event at Alnwick Castle, in Northumberland on June 13.
The tour will visit towns and cities up and down the country, including Birmngham, Sheffield, and Leeds, but nowhere in the whole of Lancashire or Cumbria was selected to host the baton.
Pendle MP Andrew Stephenson said: "It's very disappointing news. The Commonwealth Games is a fantastic spectacle, bringing people together from across the globe.
"I was proud when the Games came to Manchester, and I would have hoped that with the Games being in Glasgow this time the baton would have passed through Lancashire at some stage, and ideally Pendle. Regretably, that's not the case."
A Commonwealth Games England spokesman said: "We only have the baton for 14 days and, while we tried to accomodate as many bids as we could, we knew we couldn't take it everywhere around England.
There was a process by which Local Authorities could submit a bid to host the baton. We selected host venues on the basis of those bids and we attempted to get a reasonable regional spread of events around the country ."
Burnley MP Gordon Birtwistle said he would be inquiring if an application had been made by the county council to host the baton.
He said: "It is very disappointing that the people who organised it didn't bring the torch through one of the most beautiful counties."
Lancashire County Council said it was investigating if an application had been made and was unable to comment further.


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General Assembly: Statement by Ambassador Thoms at the 6. High-Level Dialogue on Financing for Development
Statement as prepared for delivery by Ambassador Thoms at the 6. High-Level Dialogue on Financing for Development:
"Mr. President,
Let me start by aligning myself with the statement delivered on behalf of the European Union and its Member States.
Over the next two years all development partners will have to step up efforts towards the achievement of the MDGs. Various processes have started with the aim to formulate a single, coherent and universally applicable new agenda for sustainable development beyond 2015.
In this respect it is of utmost importance to streamline all international processes that deal with financing issues (UN High Level Panel Report, Open Working Group on SDGs, UNFCCC, CBD and ICESDF). It will also be vital that the post-2015 goals track and the financing track – while remaining separated - coordinate well. This implies that the discussions on financing and means of implementation at this point of time should take place first and foremost under the financing track.
There is a need for the Monterrey Consensus (taking into account the Doha declaration and the Rio+20 Means of Implementation) to evolve into a Post-2015 Financing for Sustainable Development framework for the mobilization of financial resources in support of the future post-2015 agenda for sustainable development.
Mr. President,
What was agreed already in Monterrey – the primary importance of mobilizing domestic resources – will remain valid also for the post-2015 process.
In this context Germany supports its partner countries' governments in their efforts in reforming their tax systems, strengthening their tax administrations and following the principles of good financial governance rules as well as in the development of local financial markets.
Moreover, we strongly back joint efforts to improve tax cooperation and to combat corruption, illegal capital flows, tax evasion and excessive tax avoidance schemes. We welcome the outcome of this year´s G8 and G20 summits, in particular the Lough Erne Declaration, including the remarks on Base Erosion and Profit Shifting (BEPS) and the Automatic Exchange of Information.
Our support for private sector development aims to improve the business and investment climate in order to promote private investments, to generate economic growth and to broaden the tax base. Resilient and inclusive financial systems and markets are a vital component in these efforts to mobilize domestic resources.
We also need to strengthen private households' abilities to improve their own living conditions, and we need to mobilize domestic and international private investments for sustainable development. Yet, in addition to that, all countries shall – according to their means – provide external official financial support to those countries that cannot meet all their sustainable development needs alone as well as contribute to the provision of global public goods.
The Intergovernmental Committee of Experts on Sustainable Development Financing (ICESDF) that has started its work will deliver an important milestone in this process.
Germany is actively involved in the work of the committee. We and the German expert, Dr. Norbert Kloppenburg of KfW development bank, are committed to support the committee to deliver focused, innovative and action oriented recommendations in its report to the Secretary General.
Mr. President,
We are taking part in a crucial process of defining common ground for a livable world. Germany will constructively support the process towards the creation of a financing framework for the Post-2015-Agenda for sustainable development that allows all people to live in the "The Future We Want".
I thank you, Mr. President."


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