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I bought one about 2 1/2 weeks ago. Does anyone know if they will they give me a refund?
This is from the Best Buy website:
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I bought one at a best buy the end of November. It is still within the exchange/return period. I will be taking my receipt in and see if they will refund me the $50.
*They refunded the $50, no problems
You can get another 5000 rewardzone points too. http://www.rewardzonemobile.com
It does include the 64GB version.... straight from their website.....
"Save $50 on any iPhone 5 or 4S with 2-year agreement. Plus free shipping"
and the 64GB phones are on that list of 45 items, but some are "Not available for Shipping"
This is good news since I just went there on Saturday and got mine (came with a $25 gift card).
I don't have a line to check for the "more than 1 yr, but less than 2 yrs" pricing. I'm more than 2 years into my contract.
what's this???!!!! the iPhone 5 has a price drop already? Oh my.
I need to not activate yet since I'm waiting for jailbreak. But I want low enough an iOS 6 version pre-installed that it's jailbreakable. So I need a plan to buy now - and shelve activation until after jailbreak is out. If I buy after jailbreak is out - likely new ones at that time will be too high an iOS version to JB. There's a very tricky timing thing you have to do when waiting to upgrade until a JB is available. I got it right last time by buying 4S at 5.0.1 in early Dec. '11 from Apple - arrived unactivated at an iOS level that was eventually JB-able. Then activated after JB out. Unlocked my 4 and sold for more than I paid for it. It turned out that even 5.1 and 5.1.1 were JBable too.
Activating an iPhone doesn't force you to upgrade iOS though. If you want to deactivate the iPhone 5 and continue using your older device just contact your carrier and switch your line back to the older device.
That's not the issue - the concern as I explained in my post is in having to buy the most current phone which could have an iOS one level too current to be JB-able if you wait to buy until the JB is released. This was the case with iPhone 3S.Activating an iPhone doesn't force you to upgrade iOS though.Well that's good to know but seems like to much hassle. I don't want to activate and then unactivate.If you want to deactivate the iPhone 5 and continue using your older device just contact your carrier and switch your line back to the older device.
But thanks for info. Strange that Best Buy will make you bring in your online purchased phone to get activated when all iPhones, in box, are activate able from home. Weird.


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A HUSTINGS for the Euro elections will be held in Winchester later this month.
It will give Hampshire voters the chance to hear several of the main speakers.
The confirmed speakers are: Catherine Bearder MEP, Liberal Democrat; Daniel Hannan MEP, Conservative; John Howarth, Labour; and Keith Taylor MEP, Greens.
UKIP have confirmed they will be sending a speaker but have yet to confirm who it will be.
The meeting has been organised by the Central Hampshire branch of the European Movement.
Organisers are expecting a good turn-out with the prospect of an EU referendum looming and the UK's future in the EU has become less certain.
This election is the first since the Lisbon Treaty which gave the European Parliament greater powers, including the appointment of the President of the European Commission.
The Members of the next European Parliament will play a crucial role in deciding the future direction and evolution of the EU.
This debate is one of a series organised across the UK by the European Movement. It will feature candidates from the five parties who have had MEPs representing the South East of England in the last Parliament.
They will discuss the issues and what membership of the EU means for the UK, their constituents and all EU citizens.
Petros Fassoulas, chairman of the European Movement who will host the hustings, said: "I am delighted that the people of Winchester will be able to come and hear the arguments of the principle candidates for this important election.
"We have been fortunate to secure the commitment from several of the top of the list candidates including three MEPs standing for re-election. The election is held using proportional representation which means that every vote will count and we are hoping through these events to raise the profile of the election and increase voter turn-out."
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Watford striker Britt Assombalonga has signed a new contract until 2014, with the club having the option of a further year.
Assombalonga has made four first team appearances for Watford but it is out on loan where the 20-year-old has impressed most.
The forward, who was signed as a scholar after impressing on one of the club's community trust courses, scored 11 goals in 15 appearances at Ryman Premier side Wealdstone last season before netting five goals in as many games at Braintree Town in the Conference.
Assombalonga has continued to impress this campaign with 12 goals in 28 outings for League Two Southend United and is expected to remain at Roots Hall until the end of the season.
The forward was back at the Hornets' London Colney training ground this week as he finalised his new contract.
Assombalonga becomes the fifth Watford Academy graduate to sign a new contract with the club since the summer, following in the footsteps of Bernard Mensah, Connor Smith, Sean Murray and Tommie Hoban.


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MOUNT VERNON, Ohio (AP) -- A central Ohio prosecutor says a man charged in a three-count indictment is accused of burning his girlfriend's 5-month-old son so badly that part of the child's left leg had to be amputated and he needed skin grafts on one arm.
Knox County Prosecutor John Thatcher says 19-year-old Zachariah Keen of Mount Vernon is charged with felony assault and two counts of child endangerment.
Keen is in jail. Court records listed no attorney for him.
Thatcher says Keen told police he tripped and spilled a baby bottle of hot water while babysitting Jan. 17. Thatcher says authorities don't believe the child's second- and third-degree burns were accidental.
The charges allege Keen knowingly hurt the child and failed to seek appropriate medical help for him.
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Melbourne Cup day is not a cerebral day. Even so, this year reaffirmed my belief that women, at their best, are superior to men at the best.
The trigger was Channel Seven's coverage of cup week. It was anchored by three roughies and a thoroughbred. The thoroughbred was the only woman on the anchor panel, an English import, Francesca Cumani, who floated elegantly above the fray, intimately involved and yet apart.
Cumani may have a dark side - I've never met her and almost certainly never will - but on camera she betrays no self-absorption and no vacuity. At 29, she has left no trail of scandal, controversy, conflict or fodder for the prurient.
On race day, with so much bogan chic on parade, Cumani opted for simple elegance.
Beauty is commonplace but beauty plus intelligence, lucidity, courage and loyalty is an altogether more rarefied combination. It is a combination that can be found in men but its highest expression is in women.
Beauty. It has been widely noted that Cumani, the daughter of one of the world's leading race horse trainers, Luca Cumani, is a high-order beauty. That is self-evident and requires no elaboration.
Intelligence. Cumani is quadrilingual. She speaks English, Italian (her father's first language), Spanish and French. She has a degree in modern languages from Bristol University. She exhibits a depth and breadth of knowledge in her chosen field, thoroughbred racing.
Lucidity. It does not take long to take Cumani seriously when she is analysing a horse because she can seamlessly command names, dates, jockeys, events and conditions when discussing past performances and current preparations. She also speaks from experience.
Courage. Cumani is an excellent rider and a former jockey. It takes courage to take a race horse to full gallop. She said in an interview last year: "A lot to do with racing is your nerve, and holding it. The moment you lose your nerve or get scared, the horse can really sense it." I still vividly recall the few times I've been on a horse at full gallop and they were only pluggers. I can only imagine the force of being on a frothing stallion with its ears back.
Loyalty. Cumani is very much her father's daughter. She is intimately involved with her family's racing operation. She has always pitched in for five a.m. training sessions. She is also her mother's daughter. Her mother, Sara, is a rider of quality and involved in training. Their daughter is a third-generation trainer and committed for the long haul.
She also wants to have children. Here we reach the point of divergence, the point of discrimination, where the apex of the pyramid of admiral qualities is occupied by women, not men. A man can be beautiful, intelligent, lucid, courageous and loyal, but he can never take on the greatest of all responsibilities, procreation. Woman also have a greater physical capacity for pleasure than men. It is nature's scheme. Because in nature, procreation is paramount. So woman have to take greater risks than men for passion.
Women live in a more dangerous world than men. Men routinely have much greater physical strength than women. In domestic disorder, or crime or social conflict, when push comes to shove, women are usually at a disadvantage. They have had to rely on their wits more than men and relying on wits, trumps relying on strength.
I thought about these things while watching Seven's coverage of the Melbourne Cup, amid all the big horses and little hats. I also took Cumani's advice and put $20 each-way on My Quest For Peace, her father's less fancied starter in the cup. (So did my wife. She liked the name.)
He finished 10th. Her father's more fancied starter, Mount Athos, finished fifth. I had backed, him, too. "When it mattered he didn't quite have the turn of foot," Cumani said as she analysed her stable's latest frustrations in the Melbourne Cup.
"It's so disappointing. It feels like déjà vu when you've come, and you have so many hopes. And you really think you've got everything right. And it just doesn't happen. It's frustrating. And my dad said he's not coming back."
This should ring alarm bells at Seven, where Cumani's three-year contract with the network has just expired. Even if her father, understandably, has decided that seven attempts at the cup, seven arduous, costly expeditions to the other side of the world, is enough, Seven should reach a new accommodation with his daughter.
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Israel Film Festival to honour Sherry Lansing
The former chairman and CEO of Paramount Pictures and president of 20th Century Fox will receive the 2013 IFF Lifetime Achievement Award at the Israel Film Festival, set to run from Apr 18-May 2 in Beverly Hills.
Lansing will collect the award at the opening night gala of the festival's 27th edition on Apr 18.
The festival will open with the West Coast premiere of Ballad Of The Weeping Spring and will screen more than 30 new Israeli films including features, documentaries and student shorts.
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Banner MD Anderson Cancer Center will open the second phase of its outpatient facility on April 1, a major addition which will greatly expand specialty cancer treatment services and prevention programs in Arizona.
The three-story addition includes The James M. Cox Center for Cancer Prevention and Integrative Oncology, additional clinic and infusion space, a separate hematology/stem cell transplant clinic, and expanded radiation oncology space.
The Cox Center, established through a $5 million grant from The James M. Cox Foundation, will provide preventative health consultations for patients to determine their risk for cancer. Medical experts also will offer integrative health consults for patients undergoing cancer treatment as well as cancer survivors. The center will feature services to assist patients during their cancer journeys, such as acupuncture, massage, exercise, nutrition programs and counseling.
"Expansion of our cancer services will allow us to continue advancing the level of cancer care in Arizona through multidisciplinary treatment and access to cutting-edge research," said Dr. Edgardo Rivera, medical director of Banner MD Anderson. "These expansion projects are more than just adding rooms, space and equipment. Our team approach ensures each patient receives a comprehensive plan of care for his or her individual diagnosis."
For radiation oncology, the expansion adds two new linear accelerators to the current three. These advanced radiation devices are used to treat a broad spectrum of tumors throughout the body, while enabling treatment of highly complex cancers that require extreme targeting precision. The new machines are housed in rooms with patient amenities such as ceiling-mounted video screens, featuring a variety of relaxing nature scenes patients can choose to watch during their treatments.
Patients undergoing treatment for blood cancers will receive care in the new stem cell transplant/hematology clinic, located on the third floor. This clinic will care for patients with a variety of blood cancers such as leukemia, lymphoma, multiple myeloma and many more, as well as stem cell transplant patients.
Additional infusion treatment areas will provide more space for patients receiving chemotherapy and other intravenous treatments.
Thirty additional clinic rooms will expand the capacity of the Multidisciplinary Clinic. Physicians, nurses, nurse practitioners, pharmacists and additional care providers see patients in this clinic, which is usually divided by disease type.


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The latest buzz on the net has been about the latest Nike+ Original Run mix by A-trak (I liked the one Aesop Rock did awhile ago). These mixes are specifically crafted by the artists for you to workout to.
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Jenkinson's to Host Two Job Fairs
Here's another sign the Jersey Shore is roaring toward a vibrant seasonal comeback: jobs
Lots of seasonal jobs are up for grabs at Jenkinson's in Point Pleasant Beach this year. The boardwalk entertainment venue is hosting two summer job fairs staring this weekend in an effort to fill hundreds of positions.
The jobs include: Beach maintenance, game operators, ride operators, cashiers, arcade workers, beach badge checkers, sales, ice cream scoopers, pizza bakers, counter help etc… and Karaska says you don't have to wait for the summer tourism season for some of these positions to open up.
"These jobs we're getting ready, believe it or not, for the Easter festivities. So these jobs will begin asap. The one thing about the boardwalk is that they do have the games. They'll have something on the beach. They usually have the Easter egg roll. The stores will be opened. The restaurants will be opened. The Jersey Shore is back and I'm so excited!"
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Lions' Catcher Career Season Leads to Postseason Award
SAINT LEO, Fla. – Saint Leo softball catcher Brittany Yates was named Daktronics All-South Region Second Team, it was announced Tuesday by the Daktronics selection committee.
In total five Sunshine State Conference schools were represented on the list, including Rollins, Barry, Tampa, and Lynn. Tampa's Deanna Henriott was named Pitcher of the Year and Arkansas-Monticello's Kayla Jackson was selected Player of the Year.
Yates, a first time recipient of the award, had a career year in the Green & Gold as she started in all 53 games she participated in.
Leading the team with a .380 batting average, the Riverview, Fla. native collected 63 hits, including a team and career best 14 doubles. Yates also posted five home runs and three triples.
Her 34 RBI effort tied her for first on the team while topping the club in runs scored with 32 and slugging percentage at .590. Yates also drew 10 walks and struck a minuscule 12 times in 166 at-bats.
The catcher registered a career-best .977 fielding percentage, committing only five errors and racking up 174 putouts.
Yates' season now puts her three home runs shy of tying the all-time Saint Leo record of 33 set by Ashley Urbanik in 2008.
Voting for the 2011 Daktronics NCAA Division II South Region Softball Team was powered by ATHLETICSITE.COM and voted on by the regional members of D2-SIDA.
C - Christine Roser - Rollins
1B - Jessica Tabor - Barry
2B - Krista Rodden - Rollins
SS - Marti Littlefield - Valdosta State
3B - Sara Broeseker - Barry
OF - Grace Collins - Barry
OF - Alyssa Goldsmith - Barry
OF - Sarah Hayslip - UA-Monticello
UT - Laura Saladrigas - Nova Southeastern
DP - Colette Rollins - Valdosta State
P - Deanna Henriott - Tampa
P - Kayla Jackson - UA-Monticello
P - Holly Satterfield - Valdosta State
PLAYER OF THE YEAR: Kayla Jackson - UA-Monticello
PITCHER OF THE YEAR: Deanna Henriott - Tampa
C - Brittany Yates - Saint Leo | Becky Vyzas - Tampa
1B - Natalia Morozova - Valdosta State | Jessica Moreland - Rollins
2B - Karri Bisbee - West Florida | Shanda Jimeson - Arkansas Tech
SS - Amber Pederson – Rollins | Natalia Ojeda - Barry
3B - Amber Ingram - West Florida | Monica Meadows - Rollins
OF - Brittany Gross - Lynn
OF - Kelli Long - UA-Huntsville
OF - Katrina Lavadan - Lynn
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DP - Shelby Jo Fenter - Arkansas Tech
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Welcome to Dragon Cave! Dragon Cave is an online adoptables game. Collect eggs, raise them to adulthood, and then breed them to create interesting lineages. New types of dragons are added regularly!
Tri-Horn Wyverns are a mountainous species, living in high altitude areas among rocks and snow. The rough and rugged climate has bred a tough and hardened species, prepared to do battle with both the elements and other creatures. Their most distinctive feature is the three-horned crest mounted upon their head, for which they were named; these toughened spikes are powerful weapons, used to battle against predators, prey and fellow Tri-Horn Wyverns. Both males and females of this species fight for territory and resources, and wear scars with pride. However, Tri-Horn wyverns have a soft side beneath their many spikes. They work in loyal packs, of which they are deeply protective; if one can gain their trust, Tri-Horn wyverns can be powerful allies through the mountains.
Dragons are creatures with nearly unlimited life spans. They can survive for long periods of time, and no one has found a dragon that has died of old age. Adolescence is usually marked by the growth of a hatchling's wings, although not all breeds of dragons grow wings and some breeds have other traits that indicate the beginning of maturation. Once they hit adolescence, hatchlings change quickly, maturing to their full forms in only 2 years.
Dragons don't communicate with each other verbally, but they will growl to scare off predators and frighten prey. Young dragons will emit an extremely high-pitched squeal when they are frightened. To communicate, they use telepathy with each other and to speak to other creatures.


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Nash Edgerton can't quite explain how he and his brother Joel ended up in the film industry. Perhaps it was the video camera their father bought. He and Joel, who is only 18 months younger, would play at making films in their Blacktown backyard. Perhaps it was the fact that video stores started springing up in the suburbs when he was about 10.
''Suddenly I had access to so many movies I couldn't go to see at the cinema because I wasn't the right age or because you couldn't get to the cinema. All these movies that struck a chord at that time.''
The decisive moment came, however, when he was studying electrical engineering. ''You know, I was there in a course and I was going to be in it for four or five years. And the whole time during first year, I couldn't imagine that at the end of it,
I would be an engineer. And I thought, 'Why am I doing this if I can't picture it?' And at some point I had got the idea I wanted to be a stuntman, so I dropped out of university to pursue that. Much to my parents' chagrin, you know.''
It took a lot of cold-calling to break into stunt work, but he managed. Twenty years later, his CV includes The Matrix, doubling for Ewan McGregor in the Star Wars films and Beginners, and, most recently, working on The Wolverine. Life hasn't all been fist fights and car chases, however. Edgerton has also directed numerous short films, music clips and a feature; next week, he heads to the Sundance Film Festival with another short film The Captain, written and directed with Spencer Susser. It will be the sixth time he has shown a film at Sundance, the top American festival for independent film.
The Captain is a classic short, just six minutes long. New Zealand actor and director Taika Waititi, whom Edgerton met and befriended at Sundance years ago, stars as a man who wakes up with a hangover to discover the havoc he has created the night before. ''Nobody wakes up after a hard night and finds everything's just worked out, do they?'' says Edgerton with a laugh. Where does he wake up? Who is he? Edgerton isn't telling. ''That would be giving it away.''
The film had its unveiling in Sydney at the opening night of Flickerfest. In Sundance it screens on January 19, Edgerton's 40th birthday. With any luck, it will follow his previous short film Bear into competition at Cannes in May. Edgerton has directed one feature - The Square (2008) - but loves shorts, so much so that this year he has curated a program of his all-time favourites for Flicks in the Sticks, a travelling picture show that visits country centres from Bendigo north to Rockhampton.
What is the appeal? ''Some stories only need five minutes to tell: they just are short,'' he says. Short films can also be gratifyingly quick to make. ''As a director making features, it can take a long time to make a film. So you can practise your craft, experiment, work with different actors. It's about exercising that muscle of collaborating with people and running a set.
''With this one, we knew early in the week we wanted to do something together. We only had a small amount of money, so we thought the way to make something look bigger was to find an existing location. We found a fantastic place on Wednesday, came up with the idea on Thursday and shot it on Saturday. I can't imagine that happening with a feature film.''
This brisk pace means they could rope in top-notch collaborators with a day to spare. The Captain was shot by Greig Fraser, whose cinematography credits include Zero Dark Thirty, Kathryn Bigelow's controversial film about the search for Osama bin Laden, which is nominated for five Oscars. Both Edgertons were in that film, playing American soldiers.
More than most, Edgerton clearly thrives on making films with mates. As a stuntman, he has often shadowed his brother's straight-acting roles; last year, the two of them worked on Baz Luhrmann's hotly awaited interpretation of The Great Gatsby as well as Felony, which Joel Edgerton also wrote.
This year the brothers plan to write a feature script together. Both are part of Blue-Tongue Films, a partnership of filmmakers who work on each other's projects that also includes Susser, Kieran Darcy-Smith, Luke Doolan, Mirrah Foulkes and David Michod.
''Something different comes out of working with other directors from something made just by me,'' says Edgerton. ''I think Spencer's and my films are different, but the films we make together are different again.''
Do they argue the toss? ''Of course! But you know, Spencer and I, and all the guys at Blue-Tongue, are friends first and have been friends for a long time, so we can be very straight with each other. We are both arguing to make the film as best we can. ''


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MEDICAL evidence swayed the crown prosecution service to drop the murder charge against Ian Swinburne who stabbed his girlfriend's ex-partner at her Halesowen home, it emerged today.
Mr Swinburne claimed he killed David Carpenter in self defence after the 47-year-old burst into Nicola Bennett's house in Graham Road, where he was staying.
Mr Carpenter, from Oldbury, died from a stab wound to the chest during the incident on Sunday February 3 and Mr Swinburne, of Stourbridge Road, Dudley, was charged with murder and assault causing actual bodily harm to Mitchell While, who had accompanied Mr Carpenter to the house.
Martin Lindop, Sector Crown Prosecutor from the West Midlands CPS said: "Following the death of Mr Carpenter, a file was submitted to the CPS and we, as is our duty, applied the Code for Crown Prosecutors on the case which has two stages, the Evidential Stage and the Public Interest Stage, both of which need to be met for a prosecution to proceed.
"The case against Ian Swinbourne passed both these two tests and he was charged with the murder of Mr Carpenter as well as assaulting a person, thereby occasioning them actual bodily harm. "
"As part of our continuing duty to keep cases under constant review, an additional statement was received from one of the key prosecution witnesses which provided medical evidence into the cause of Mr Carpenter's death.
"Having reviewed this new evidence, a decision was made to drop the charges against Mr Swinbourne on the basis that there was now insufficient evidence for a realistic prospect of conviction."


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DORSET residents have been warned to prepare for further flooding as the Environment Agency say river levels continue to rise.
A statement released yesterday said Rivers including the Hampshire Avon through Dorset and the Stour in Dorset continue to rise.
"Communities in the south of England should prepare for further flooding this week", the Environment Agency warned.
There is a continuing risk of flooding from groundwater in Dorset, they added.
Yesterday, residents of flood-hit homes at Iford were allowed back to their homes to assess the damage after a severe flood warning for the site was lifted.
But Bournemouth Council said: "Unpredictable rainfall is forecast for the next 48 hours so we cannot be certain that there will not be further flooding.
"Residents of Iford Bridge Home park, who are able to return will be allowed to do so but if the situation worsens they may need to be evacuated again.
"For those residents who are unable to return yet due to water damage to their property we will be working with them to see what support we can provide.
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Kolkata, Sep 15 (IANS) The death of a minor girl student after being ragged and the subsequent ransacking of a school in West Bengal's North 24 Parganas district took on a political colour Sunday after the ruling Trinamool Congress attributed the vandalism to "CPI-M's conspiracy".
The Communist Party of India-Marxist (CPI-M) rubbished the allegations and in turn blamed the Trinamool for the fiasco.
Oindrila Das, a class 5 student of Christ Church School in Dum Dum, died Sep 11, a week after she was allegedly locked up inside the school toilet by some of her seniors who demanded money from her.
A day later, the 131-year old institution witnessed unprecedented scenes as hundreds of people -- mostly parents -- ransacked the institution, holed up the principal and other teachers inside a dark room and eventually forced the principal Helen Sarkar to resign.
Twelve people have been arrested for the vandalism.
"The death of the girl is unfortunate, but the CPI-M is behind the ransacking and they have done it in pursuance of their conspiracy to malign the (state) government," said Trinamool general secretary Mukul Roy.
Rubbishing Roy's claims, CPI-M central committee member Mohammad Salim instead pointed the finger at the Trinamool, saying it was only part of a series of attacks that have been carried out on educational institutions under the two-year-old regime.
"The Trinamool has now perfected its knack of blaming us for all its evils. If they were so concerned, why did the administration prefer to be a mute spectator when the vandalism was going on? It is only a part of series of attacks that the Trinamool has been carrying out on educational institutions," said Salim.
The Congress too joined in accusing the ruling party of harbouring and patronising goons.
"Such comments coming from the ruling party will only embolden the goons. What can you expect from a party which is known for patronising goons," said Congress leader Abdul Mannan.
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Kick-offProbability puzzles require you to weigh all the possibilities and pick the most likely outcome.
Jimbo is an ace goal kicker. On the average, he will kick a goal on 2 out of 3 occasions. Unco on the other hand, will normally only kick a goal on 1 out of 2 occasions.
Now Jimbo, being quick to spot an opportunity, challenges Unco to a kicking duel. They will each in turn take one kick for goal until a goal is scored. The winner will be the first to score a goal.
"I'll even give you the first kick", says Jimbo generously to Unco.
What is the probability that Jimbo wins the kicking duel?
HintYou only get to take your next kick if the guy before you misses!
AnswerUnco kicks: probability of a miss = 0.5
Jimbo kicks: probability of a win = 0.5 x 2/3 = 1/3
{Note Unco must have missed in order for Jimbo to get a kick at all}
Unco kicks: probability of a second miss = 0.5x1/3x 0.5 = 1/12
{Note both Unco and Jimbo must have missed for Unco to get a second kick}
Jimbo kicks: probability of goal = 1/12 x 2/3 = 1/18
Probability that Jimbo wins on first or second or third etc is:
Which is a geometric series with limiting sum = 2/5
Answer: Probability that Jimbo wins = 2/5.
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Appliances Online is now AO, and it's a hit with the market. Shares leapt 40 per cent as it floated in London today. The facts:
AO had revenue in the year to March 2013 of £275.5m, on which it made net income of £6.8m: a 2.5 per cent net profit margin.
With a shiny new market cap of £1.68bn it is worth almost as much as Carphone Warehouse or Dixons, two major high street retailers. It is big enough to make the FTSE 250 (subject to other criteria).
Basic valuations look fanciful: It is priced at 247 times trailing earnings, or six times sales.
But no one cares about traditional valuation tools any more. AO is an online retailer, and they're where it's at. Its shares are not about earnings or dividends this year, next year or the year after; they are about first-mover advantage, an option on AO becoming the Amazon of the fridges-to-cookers world. Read more


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Supplement Savvy: More Popular Supplementsby Dana Angelo White in Uncategorized, August 9, 2011
We've been filling you in on the good, bad and ugly details about popular vitamin, mineral and herbal products but there are a lot of other supplements out there. Here are the facts on five of the most common – are they worth it?
While they seem harmless, multivitamins can be a cocktail of dangerous ingredients including toxic amounts of vitamins and minerals, herbs and other substances that may cause side effects and interact with medications. If food allergies, dietary restrictions, or pregnancy warrant taking some extra nutrients from a multivitamin, look for one that only contains vitamins and minerals. Beware of bizarre herbs, "proprietary blends" and other ingredients you don't recognize. Pass on products that have more than 500% of the Recommended Dietary Allowance (RDA) listed on the label.
Becoming increasingly popular in recent years, omega-3 fats play an important role in eye and skin, heart and neurological health. The most beneficial kinds of omega-3 fats are found in fatty fish (like salmon, sardines, and tuna). Since most folks don't eat enough of these types of seafood, a supplement may be warranted. When shopping for fish oil, choose one with the highest amount of EPA and DHA – the types of fats associated with all the health benefits. Look for a brand that derives their product from low-mercury fish like Nordic Naturals. Omega-3 supplements from sea algae are a new craze and offer an alternative for those who follow a plant-based diet. The amount of EPA and DHA in algae supplements is often considerably less than you'll find in a fish oil product.
Glucosamine & Chondrotin
Promoted to alleviate joint pain, this is a popular supplement among Baby Boomers. While studies show that taking glucosamine supplements for up to 24 weeks is safe, there's not a whole lot of research to support that it's actually effective. Studies have found a large amount of variation in the quality and quantity of across brands so consumers should do their homework (see shopping tip below). There's anecdotal evidence on both sides, but the supplements still may not be worth the money. Supplementation is not recommended in combination with prescription blood thinners. Those with shellfish allergies should stay away from supplements that contain chondroitin, which is commonly derived from shellfish.
Lots of hype surrounds these pills taken for a laundry list of ailments including congestive heart failure (CHF), high blood pressure, diabetes, Parkinson's disease and chronic fatigue syndrome; it's also taken to enhance athletic performance. This is one of those supplements that many folks take just because they heard it was "good for them" — taking a supplement without being sure why is never a good thing! CoQ10 can be found naturally in the body where it works as a cell-protecting antioxidant, but that's no guarantee that more from a supplement will have an increased benefit. While it remains controversial, a limited amount of research has found that CoQ10 may help CHF and high blood pressure when taken in combination with other treatments (but that's up to a doctor to decide). CoQ10 supplements can also cause a drop in blood pressure when taken in combination with fish oil and some herbal supplements. There's also a risk of negative interactions with Red Yeast Rice and vitamin K.
Branched Chain Amino Acids
Branched chain amino acids (BCAAs) are the three types of protein building blocks primarily responsible for muscle function (leucine, isoleucine and valine). This explains why you'll see BCAAs in pills, bars and shakes marketed to athletes to enhance performance and build muscle. Side effects are limited (muscle fatigue and stomach upset are possible symptoms of taking too much). There's some research to support that BCAA supplementation may reduce muscle fatigue and modestly boost performance but supplements shouldn't replace protein-rich foods which offer a much greater benefit to active individuals.
Shopping Tip: Before you buy a supplement of any kind, check out approved brands from the United States Pharmacopeia – an independent testing company that verifies the quality of supplements. This won't ensure that a supplement is safe for anyone to take (toxicity, allergies and interactions can still occur), but at least you can feel better knowing that what you see on the label is what's in the bottle.
Tell Us: Do you take any of these supplements? What others would you like to learn more about?
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Welcome to the Medipix homepage!
This is the image which demonstrated the potential of hybrid silicon pixel detectors for tracking applications in High Energy Physics. It shows 153 high energy particle tracks flying through a telescope of half a million pixels in the WA97 experiment back in 1995. Every red dot in this image signifies a pixel which has been hit by a track and there are no pixels giving false hits. Therefore this image - which was taken with a 1 microsecond shutter time - is noise free! That was the key parameter which drove almost all of the LHC experiments to adopt hybrid pixel technology for their vertex detectors. It is also why this technology is so unique for imaging applications.
With the Medipix family of chips we have striven to disseminate a technology which was developed because of the needs of the Large Hadron Collider experiments at CERN to other fields of science.
The activity started in the 90's when a small Collaboration of 4 institutes produced the Medipix1 or Photon Counting Chip (PCC) demonstrating the potential of the new technology to provide noise-free single photon counting.
At the end of the 1990's the Medipix2 Collaboration was formed with the aim of taking advantage of the potential of deep sub-micron CMOS to shrink the pixel size and to increase the number of pixels per chip. The Medipix2 chip is the outcome of that effort.
During the extensive characterisation of that chip we recognised that charge diffusion within the sensor ultimately limits the performance of the chip for small pixel sizes. With access to very deep sub-micron CMOS processes it is now possible to mitigate the effects of charge diffusion by allowing pixels to communicate with each other on an event-by-event basis. Moreover is becomes possible to integrate 2 counters on a single small pixel permitting one image to be taken while the previous one is being read out. This is what the Medipix3 Collaboration hopes to achieve.


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Researcher's Manual - Intramural Funding
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I was just wondering if anybody knew what was printed on the robe the 4th Hokage used to wear thanks for any help
- It says Fourth Hokage (四代目火影, Yondaime Hokage). Uhm, also, Alien... Isn't this a question, and not a forum-like discussion? ~Hakinu (talk | contribs) 20:53, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
- I just dont see this current discussion improvin the wiki...plus wouldn't this type of minor question be better placed in a talk page, instead of creating a page all to itself?? AlienGamer | Talk 21:24, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
lol no one cares...as long as it answers the question. so sh
it sayis "The Will of Fire"
and out of curiosity isn't Minato's robe the same as the one we see in Sakura's room in episode 3?


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Cellulose sponges and the washing machine
Posted 05 March 2013 - 10:14 PM
I wrote a post a few weeks back to complain about the sand coming to the surface in my terra cotta clay as I was throwing. I must say, I was frustrated.
But I did, as one person suggested and simply recycled it with some mother vinegar. I let it sit for two weeks.
Tonight I wedged it with some new terra cotta to be on the safe side. The clay threw relatively well. Not perfect but okay.
When I looked down tonight at my cellulose sponges (used for at least two years), I realized THIS may be the culprit of the sand.
You see, I like to wash my sponges with my aprons. I rinse everything thoroughly and then put all my throwing clothes and sponges into the machine with some mild detergent.
What I have noticed tonight was that my sponges are grainy. They are not nice and smooth the way they came out of the package. They are washing machine abused. What a realization??
To test my theory, I used only my hands and a red rib. Low and behold, the grain stayed down. I had no problems.
My guess is that these sponges work well with stone ware but leave heavy gouging in clay that should be smooth. I can only imagine if these sponges went on porcelain. It would be a mess.
Thus, tonight, I have decided that all the old sponges are going in the garbage. It is time. I have a new bag of sea sponges and two of those new blue ones people are using. I will stop being cheap and open the bag.
Has anyone else had this experience?? Is this an insight or is it my wishful thinking??
In my community studio, I never washed my sponges except under a tap. They lasted for years. Here, at home, I can wash them out. I think it is a bad move...really dumb move actually. This lesson absorbed at least a few hours in recycling and was making me dislike terra cotta when I usually love it.
So these are my insights for the night. Do not wash your sponges in the washing machine unless you are using them for something that does not require a smooth finish. They will break down.
Thank you to everyone who helped me with this issue and particularly the person who encouraged me to recycle that bunch of clay.
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Posted 05 March 2013 - 11:21 PM
I use sea sponges, the Mudtool sponges (which are made of the same material surgical sponges are) and chamois . . . no cellulose sponges except for cleaning buckets, table tops, etc. It really doesn't matter how you wash the cellulose, they just are not good for clay surfaces . . . earthenware, stoneware or porcelain.
Dear Bciskepottery,
I have brand new one of each of these sponges. I have just been holding off using them. All those old ones are going straight into the trash. I have learned my lesson. It was the disintegration of the cellulose that was causing me problems. They seemed okay on my last bag of stone ware but they sure made a mess of the terracotta. Lesson learned.
Posted 06 March 2013 - 08:08 AM
Use ribs if you want a smooth surface.
It is like burnishing.
Posted 06 March 2013 - 08:22 AM
Posted 06 March 2013 - 10:07 AM
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 10:22 AM
see you there. If you see me, say hi. What will your name tag say?
I have to agree, a soft rubber rib is good for smoothing not a sponge. I will be looking into replacing some of my old sponges at NECEA.
Posted 06 March 2013 - 01:02 PM
see you there. If you see me, say hi. What will your name tag say?
I have to agree, a soft rubber rib is good for smoothing not a sponge. I will be looking into replacing some of my old sponges at NECEA.
Dear All,
I try to use both in the final stages of my throwing--rubber and a metal rib. But I was even having trouble even with the rib pulling up sand a few weeks ago. I am now convinced that it had to do with the disintegrating cellulose sponges digging into the clay.
Right now I have several boxes of terra cotta and some Arbuckle glaze waiting to go to spend the summer in majolica creation. Thus, a smooth, smooth surface before bisqueing is what I am after. I will burnish if that's what it takes.
I remember once hearing Walter Ostrom ask a class "what is the one thing you can never do enough of to clay?" We all looked at each other in wonderment and he said "compression." A smooth surface requires a compressed finish.
I recall seeing small pin holes coming through my pieces at the majolica glaze at his workshop. He pointed out that this was the direct effect of not compressing the clay in the final part of throwing and/or trimming. In short, it was not the glazes fault that I had pinholes on my pot but my lack of using a rib to compress the clay when finishing the piece.
Given my summer plans, I do not want kiln loads of pin holed pieces when a bit of simple smoothing of the surface would suffice in terms of my final detailing of the work.
Thank you all for the advice.
One day, one day in the next few years I will join you all at NCECA. I do envy you going on this trip. I am sure you will have a blast.
Thank you.
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A group of school friends will travel across 17 countries in a 1998 Nissan Micra in a bid to raise £5,000 for charity.
Former King's College School, Wimbledon, pupils Matt Ingram, Ed Compson, Guy Khosla and Jonti Davies will drive thousands of miles to Mongolia as part of the Mongol Rally with hundreds of others from all over the country.
They have already raised £4,300 for EducAid Sierra Leone, a charity running a network of free schools which 22-year-old Mr Compson worked with in his gap year.
Mr Ingram, 22, said: "It is a bit daunting, these places are a bit dangerous but it should be really exciting, a real adventure.
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Chipworks Provides First Apple A7 Die Shotby Anand Lal Shimpi on 9/20/2013 5:57 PM EST
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anexanhume - Friday, September 20, 2013 - linkThat's a huge block of cache/SRAM above the GPU. Reply
tipoo - Friday, September 20, 2013 - linkLooks like it. Built in framebuffer? If you look at the Wii Us GPU, there is something similar on it, a small 1MB SRAM pool, but that's thought to be for Wii backwards compatibility but may have some other interesting performance implications. Reply
A5 - Friday, September 20, 2013 - linkMaybe a buffer for the ISP to handle burst mode/slow-motion? Reply
tipoo - Friday, September 20, 2013 - linkIn a teeny SRAM pool? Not a large chance. That thing is probably ~1MB. Reply
SiliconGeezer - Friday, September 20, 2013 - linkThe CPU cores look much denser than the A6 cores, together with the new SRAM cache, and the 32-28 shrink it might explain the doubling of transistors 'marketing comments'. This looks like quite a big design change. Congrats to the lab guys at Chipworks, I know these die photos are not easy to make. Reply
bartoni - Friday, September 20, 2013 - linkPerhaps it is a 4MB L3 cache. That would explain some of the performance gain. Reply
stacey94 - Sunday, September 22, 2013 - linkIsn't cache very power intensive? Reply
Samus - Tuesday, September 24, 2013 - linkI don't know, look at Haswell: huge caches, 7-watt CPU's. Reply
Rec - Friday, September 20, 2013 - linkAnand in the article you have mentioned Samsung 22nm, is that a typo ? Shouldn't it be 28nm ? Reply
Khato - Friday, September 20, 2013 - linkWill certainly be interesting to see what Chipwork's annotated version looks like for the rest of the chip, but I'd be quite surprised if you aren't correct on the CPU and GPU cores.
For the fun of it, unless I've made a mathematical error it looks like the 2x Cyclone cores + cache are around 17.76mm^2 while the 2x Swift cores + cache are only 15.82mm^2. Reply
bartoni - Friday, September 20, 2013 - linkThe A6 Swift cores were full-custom stack-based physical design, but these A7 Cyclone cores appear to be sea-of-gates with custom arrays like the rest of the SoC blocks. So the Cyclone cores may have much higher areal logic density than the Swift. Reply
MrSpadge - Saturday, September 21, 2013 - linkConsidering the performance massive increase at the same clock speed of Cyclone over Swift it's actually surprising the cores are not much larger. Could be the increased packaging density (in addition to the process shrink) which bartoni mentioned, though. Reply
Khato - Sunday, September 22, 2013 - linkI'm still waiting for more information/analysis before agreeing with the conclusion that there was no change in clock speed between A6 and A7. As per Anand's review, all programs that he ran pointed to the CPU cores still running at 1.3 GHz, but there's still the possibility of the software being incorrect/not reporting burst frequencies or the like.
To put it into perspective, the size of gains the A7 is showing over the A6 in geekbench are comparable to a 3GHz Core 2 Duo against a 3GHz Pentium 4. For that to happen at the same frequency, especially with only a year between the designs, is rather difficult to believe. Especially when the scores are basically in-line with what's typically seen for a refinement of a design if a ~30% increase in core clock is applied to the A7. Reply
strappe - Friday, September 20, 2013 - linkThe L1 instruction & data caches were doubled in size to 64KB in Cyclone. L1 caches are usually virtually addressed, so with the move to 64-bit virtual addresses the cache address tag RAM would more than double in size also. This could account for much of the increase in the die area devoted to the CPU. Reply
Wilco1 - Friday, September 20, 2013 - linkI-cache is virtually addressed but always physically tagged (VIPT). This means the number of bits in the tag is small. Given Apple doesn't need more than 4GB of DRAM on their 64-bit CPU, they only need the usual 20 tag bits. Reply
A5 - Friday, September 20, 2013 - linkSo the cores are called "Cyclone" now? I liked Oscar better :-p Reply
tipoo - Friday, September 20, 2013 - link"Oscar is a CPU core inside M7, Cyclone is the name of the Swift replacement."
From the 5S review.
Incidentally, M7 doesn't exist as a separate chip according to ifixit, as Apple seemed to imply. Instead it's integrated in A7. Reply
jasonelmore - Friday, September 20, 2013 - linkthe m7 is a separate chip, it was just hidden under some padding.
http://ifixit.org/5311/apples-mysterious-m7-proces... Reply
easp - Saturday, September 21, 2013 - linkAnd, no surprise, it is a commodity MCU. Reply
solipsism - Saturday, September 21, 2013 - linkHow do you get "commodity" out of the link supplied? Reply
stacey94 - Saturday, September 21, 2013 - linkBecause it says that it's an NXP LPC1800.
Apple got it off the shelf from these guys and labeled it the M7:
http://www.nxp.com/products/microcontrollers/corte... Reply
bhd2 - Monday, September 23, 2013 - linkHi,
We (at Chipworks) did some poking around on the NXP website, looking at their LPC range of products; and we couldn't find any specific part that matched the look of the LPC18A1, particularly the 30-ball WLCSP packaging. So we've come to the tentative conclusion that this is likely a customised LPC18xx chip built for Apple, similar to those we've seen from Dialog and Cirrus over the years (A1 stands for Apple-1?).
Could be M3, could be M0 (though the latter don't have the LPC18 prefix). Reply
toyotabedzrock - Tuesday, September 24, 2013 - linkIf it was truly custom it would have been printed with an apple logo. They just ordered a specific package. Reply
dylan522p - Saturday, September 21, 2013 - linkWhen the review was originally posted Anand had not completely figured it all out yet and said that Oscar was the CPU and had no mention of Cyclone. He later fixed it. Reply
name99 - Friday, September 20, 2013 - linkWhat's with the obviously differently colored parts that look higher res?
We see a block of six of them in the middle of the chip, a seventh one in the CPU part, and two smaller versions also in the CPU part.
Are those real or some image processing artifact of Chipworks and/or Anand trying to modify those parts of the image for higher contrast and sharpness? Reply
Tom Womack - Saturday, September 21, 2013 - linkI think they're probably clock generators (PLLs) Reply
bhd2 - Saturday, September 21, 2013 - linkThey are not a processing artefact, it would be really difficult to select those areas for special treatment - it appears to be the effect of different device density. At this points I think PLLs is a good guess; if you look at the A6 image there are similar blocks in the top-left quadrant. Reply
bartoni - Saturday, September 21, 2013 - linkYes, the six small identical square blocks in the middle and the one square between the cores are very likely PLLs. Reply
tipoo - Saturday, September 21, 2013 - linkIt's because of different layouts and densities. It's the same reason you get different colors within the same decapped chip. Reply
HisDivineOrder - Saturday, September 21, 2013 - linkCan't wait to see the iPad based on this SOC. Reply
rtnmbr - Saturday, September 21, 2013 - linkSomething inside me really wishes they'd go bonkers with a quad-core cyclone design. albeit highly unlikely, that would cause some major uproar in the industry. Reply
tipoo - Saturday, September 21, 2013 - linkYeah, this is a hugely efficient core for todays ARM standards, I'd kind of like to see it in a higher than iPad TDP quad core form to see what it could really do, at say, a sustained 2 GHz. Reply
bartoni - Sunday, September 22, 2013 - linkKeeping more than two core's caches coherent is difficult. Going above 4 cores adds another layer of problems. It takes less design effort to reach higher performance with 2 cores than with more cores, but at some point simply improving the two core system is performance inefficient compared with a many-core system. The Intel Core and Atom lines followed that path. Perhaps Apple hadn't reached that point yet. However, a four Cyclone core SoC could be a competitive laptop processor giving Apple an option, and thus pricing leverage with Intel, for their MacBooks. Reply
nunomoreira10 - Monday, September 23, 2013 - linkit´s just a matter of time before they put-it on the air, probably for the next high resolution update, imagine how much more money would apple make if intel was outh of the picture.
make the air a facebbok machine and the pro 13 thinner to fill the niche Reply
Aenean144 - Sunday, September 22, 2013 - linkAnd put it in a smartphone or a tablet?
I think Apple is certainly thinking of iOS versions of Final Cut Pro, Logic Pro, Aperture and shipping say a 13" iPad with 128 GB storage and a quad-core Cyclone, and maybe a 2x 6630, but this a pretty niche device. One thing for sure, an A7X with 2-core Cyclone, a PowerVR 6630, and 2 GB RAM will finally be enough make 2048x1536 res iPads sing. Reply
Doomtomb - Saturday, September 21, 2013 - linkI work at where these are being made :) Reply
name99 - Saturday, September 21, 2013 - linkAnd you never told us about them! Shame on you!
I vote you be expelled from the AnandTech community :-) Reply
toyotabedzrock - Tuesday, September 24, 2013 - linkIs that a block of memory right next to the gpu? Reply
TeamToad - Thursday, October 03, 2013 - linkIs there any update on when the annotated version of this will be done? I'm always really interested to read your in-depth analysis of the latest SoCs. Reply


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Hands On with Plextor's NGFF SSDsby Anand Lal Shimpi on 1/8/2013 12:39 PM EST
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DuckieHo - Tuesday, January 08, 2013 - linkIs NGFF significantly smaller than half-length mSATA? Enough to warrant yet another standard? Reply
CaptainDoug - Tuesday, January 08, 2013 - linkI may be wrong but I think the point of NGFF is to get rid of msata. NGFF would fill msata's roll in small form factor storage quite nicely. I think I read an article about this like a month or 2 ago. I'll try to find it. Reply
CaptainDoug - Tuesday, January 08, 2013 - linkThere's actually a link to that article at the beginning of this one. Lots of information. Reply
Kristian Vättö - Tuesday, January 08, 2013 - linkThe purpose behind NGFF is not necessarily a smaller form factor (it's almost the same size as mSATA), but a form factor that can scale across multiple products. The disadvantage of mSATA is the fact that it only supports up to four NAND packages, which limits the performance and capacities (mSATA SSDs are slower than their 2.5" SATA counterparts and you're limited to 256GB with 8GB die).
On top of that, NGFF will support PCIe as well, so it's more like an mSATA version of SATA Express. Reply
nathanddrews - Tuesday, January 08, 2013 - link"On top of that, NGFF will support PCIe as well, so it's more like an mSATA version of SATA Express."
Rad. Reply
phy_lbc - Wednesday, January 09, 2013 - linkHi, where did you find out that mSATA only supports up to four NAND packages? Is that an inherent limitation of mSATA, or just current controllers? Also how come mSATA is slower than its 2.5" counterpart? I thought the review of the Crucial Micron C400 showed that they were neck and neck. Reply
DuckieHo - Tuesday, January 08, 2013 - linkOk, makes better sense... the NGFF standard is basically what mSATA should have been.
Now.... why such the terrible name of "NGFF"!?
Tech Support: "You need to replace your NGFF drive on your laptop."
Layman: "A Nagghfffffffff drive?" Reply
Kristian Vättö - Tuesday, January 08, 2013 - linkNGFF SSDs (like mSATA) will be mostly OEM only, so the naming doesn't really matter. Ultrabooks aren't designed with user-serviceability in mind, hence it's likely that most repairs/upgrades will be done by professionals.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a more user friendly name, though. Things tend to have weird names during development phase, mainly because it's in the hand of engineers at that point (marketing people need to make it marketable, using a good name is one way). Reply


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Corsair Carbide 330R Case Reviewby Dustin Sklavos on 8/25/2013 12:00 PM EST
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Icehawk - Sunday, August 25, 2013 - linkI'd love to see how these cases do with a more focused quiet build - I used a Fractal Define Mini on my last build (OC'd i7/670/SSDs only/AIO water/fanless PSU) and without too much effort or compromise have a near silent machine under any load. Would be interesting to see how such a build would work in the various cases.
Not sure about the rest of you guys but the best thing I ever did from a sound standpoint was to move all my HDDs out of my box and get them remote. Reply
Laststop311 - Sunday, August 25, 2013 - linkGood comment. Seems this is overlooked in many quiet pc articles. Get a NAS box or even just attach a drive to your wireless router via usb if you can't afford a nas box. Keep only SSD's local in your machine. This has 2 bonuses not only does it make your system quieter it also increases air flow and removes some of the heat generation in the case lowering temps and noise win win. Reply
Grok42 - Sunday, August 25, 2013 - linkCouldn't agree more. There isn't any downside to keeping your bulk storage in the closet other than a light bit of cost for the separate system, NAS system or External drive enclosure. This is so outweighed by the up sides. Just having a single local SSD means the sound and heat are less in your main system. You can run much smaller boxes or have better airflow through a normal size one. Most important of all is security. I build new systems all the time and reload my current ones. Having all my data on a separate box means that I am never taking chances with it or taking it offline for others that use it in my house. Reply
JDG1980 - Sunday, August 25, 2013 - linkI don't understand why the inverted motherboard design hasn't been more widely adopted. The "standard" ATX tower design seems pretty dumb: you've got the CPU cooler in a dead spot behind the optical drives (with no airflow from the intake fans), and one of the two front intakes is largely wasted by blowing at the back end of the PSU. If the motherboard is inverted, you've got both intakes blowing directly over the motherboard, providing extra cooling to the CPU and video card(s). This seems like a no-brainer, so why do most companies stick to the old ways?
By the way, it looks like Newegg has the Nanoxia Deep Silence cases back in stock. Who knows how long that will last, though - last time it was about 2 weeks before they were marked "discontinued". Reply
Grok42 - Sunday, August 25, 2013 - linkI think the trick is to build boxes without optical and that have the PSU at the bottom. Reply
JDG1980 - Sunday, August 25, 2013 - linkOr you could put the optical drives on the bottom, and the fans at the top, giving the motherboard direct airflow. But no one does that either. Reply
inighthawki - Sunday, August 25, 2013 - linkHot air rises so you generally want intake fans at the bottom to blow cold air in and exhaust fans near the top/back to push hot air out. Reply
JDG1980 - Sunday, August 25, 2013 - linkThat's largely a myth. Unless you are running case fans at a *very* low speed, they are going to overpower any convection effects. Having cool airflow directly over the motherboard is far more important than a strict bottom-to-top path. Reply
inighthawki - Sunday, August 25, 2013 - linkI've seen reports of people seeing noticeable reductions in temps by doing it. It's not really a myth. If your fans overpower the convection too much you just end up getting a more average overall case temp, and thus the exhaust does a worse job moving out hot air, just warm air. Effectively requires your fans to push more air to achieve the same goal. Reply
ShieTar - Monday, August 26, 2013 - linkI think it is a semi-myth. Inside of the case, once the air is heated up it should never slow down enough to be affected by convection, but rather the GPU/CPU fan should move directly to the closest exhaust fan.
But outside of the case, the exhausted air still needs to be removed so it can't flow back to the intake. What works here depends on where you place your case. If it is under a table, top exhaust might be just reflected down. If it stand besides a table, with the back to a wall, top exhaust is the more efficient option, as convection will set in as soon as the hot air is hanging over the case.
Of course, there can be areas inside the case that are bypassed by the main airflow, e.g. RAM, SouthBridge, HDDs. For those parts, convection can play a role, but the better option here is to make sure that these parts can participate in the airflow rather then rely on convection. Reply
kmmatney - Tuesday, August 27, 2013 - linkI think what matters is getting the airflow going across the motherboard, and low-high fans do that. Reply
Penti - Sunday, August 25, 2013 - linkThe traditional mid-tower even in the AT days actually has the PSU at the top and often the 5.25" drives above the motherboard, the negative about the drives in front of the board is actually that you need a very deep case, especially to fit say EATX and deep 5.25" drives such as optical drives or hot-swap drive bays, and even worse with SSI-EEB boards so to say. It's the same reason why there are removable hdd-cages in smaller cases, long cards – in these days graphics cards would not really fit in some cases otherwise. Traditionally you have the exhaust fan just behind the cooler in the back of the case rather than the failed BTX-design with air tunnels that didn't work for various reasons and tying up the use of the front of the case for air-tunnels was just one of the worst ideas ever. Even inverted cases don't have a clear air path for the cpu hsf. There is no going back to BTX and Prescott air-tunnel days. The important thing is to change the air in the case, a case fan isn't directly forcing air on the cpu cooler. I guess you love the good ol' days when cases had side fans above the cpu socket area too?
Don't repeat past mistakes. Air flow is important to keep the case temp, and the ambient/case air inside the case cool. There is no need to have forced air or turbulent air everywhere and a front fan doesn't really do that either. And is quite far away from the cpu in modern cases to begin with. Reply
JDG1980 - Sunday, August 25, 2013 - linkThe test results don't bear out the statements you are making. The reviews of the Silverstone Raven RV04 and Corsair Air Series 540 demonstrate that having fans blowing straight onto the motherboard is far more effective than the indirect cooling favored by conventional ATX cases. Reply
JPForums - Monday, August 26, 2013 - link
I don't understand why the inverted motherboard design hasn't been more widely adopted. The "standard" ATX tower design seems pretty dumb: you've got the CPU cooler in a dead spot behind the optical drives (with no airflow from the intake fans), and one of the two front intakes is largely wasted by blowing at the back end of the PSU.
Actually, the "standard" ATX tower had the PSU up top behind the optical drives. The dumb idea was to move the PSU down to the bottom while leaving the optical drives up top. The SilverStone Temjin TJ08 would be similarly effective with the board inverted or in a standard layout as the fan is large enough to provide airflow to a CPU cooler regardless of where it is located at on a microATX motherboard. Though to be fair, the Silverstone Fortress FT02 and FT04 (and Temjin TJ08) have largely proven that 90 degree rotation and inverted motherboard designs can be very effective. Reply
OCedHrt - Sunday, August 25, 2013 - linkI don't get what the big deal is? How is this any better or different than my Antec P180 (and mini's). Reply
kmmatney - Tuesday, August 27, 2013 - linkI have a Antec P182, and it's basically dead silent once it's configured correctly. Reply
bobbozzo - Wednesday, August 28, 2013 - linkI really wish Anandtech would re-review some Antec cases so they could be compared with these others. The P183 V3 and the p280 are both still available.
I'm still happy enough with my p182, but for friends building new systems, I don't know if I should still recommend Antec over the newer offerings. Reply
bobbozzo - Wednesday, August 28, 2013 - linkAlso the build quality of my p182 is extremely good, and I wonder how it compares to the Nanoxia, etc. Reply
Laststop311 - Sunday, August 25, 2013 - linknanoxia deep silence still is the superior choice. Extremely low temps + extremely quiet. It's got it all. I'm big on silent computing and every article i read i never see a case beat the nanoxia cases. I've been waiting for years to see them beat but they still represent the best choice for silent + good temps Reply
EnzoFX - Sunday, August 25, 2013 - linkI have my fair share of problems with the case reviews here, but measuring "silent" cases has to be the biggest. Can't imagine the noise floor being ideal. I also wouldn't call 30dba silent, if you want silent, it's pretty easy to go below that. Reply
ShieTar - Monday, August 26, 2013 - linkI can't really imagine that being the noise floor, my mobile phone gets a noise closer to 20dB. I would assume it is rather that the equipment can not be well calibrated below 30dB, or that measurements below are just not repeatable over time-periods of several years.
But I'd love to see a more detailed description of where the 30dB come from. Care to educate us, Dustin? Reply
casteve - Monday, August 26, 2013 - linkHere's your education :)
The noise meter has a floor of 30dB.
Also, unless you've calibrated your mobile app with known good test equipment in someone's anechoic chamber, it's just flailing around. Pretty to look at, possibly useful to compare relative things (hey! the back of my PC is louder than the front!), but not a tool for absolute measurements. Reply
ShieTar - Monday, September 16, 2013 - linkThanks for the link. And as I suspected, it notes "The SL130 is rated to go as low as 30dB". The instrument will realize if it is measuring less than 30dB, the software will just refuse to put a number to those measurements as it can no longer be accurate in this region.
That the difference to the mobile app, of course if it is showing 20dB it might be 25 dB in reality, but a silent room (no traffic noise nearby, no AC running, etc) will easily be below 30dB. If you can hear another person breathing, its probably closer to 10dB.
Its understandable and scientifically correct for Dustin to not post results below 30dB then (even if his equipment would make a guess), but in reality there is still a slight difference between a 30dB and a 25 dB installation. It is more relevant for people trying to keep their system running while they read/sleep in the same room, and generally unnoticeable whenever your PC is generating sounds/music. Reply
briandel - Sunday, August 25, 2013 - linkThe use of 'hail mary' in the article doesn't make sense. A hail mary would be a desperate attempt at something with a low probability of success. 'Slam dunk' would be more appropriate sports analogy. Reply
Amoro - Monday, August 26, 2013 - linkI think they did a worse job than the 300R.
CPU Stock: 0.4 degrees C lower
GPU Stock: 6.0 degrees C HIGHER
Load Noise Levels Stock: 2.2 decibels HIGHER Reply
Primoz - Sunday, September 15, 2013 - link"Meanwhile, the 300R is essentially overwhelmed and the 330R is able to produce better acoustics under stress."
This is prolly switched around? Reply
gelatinous_blob - Thursday, October 03, 2013 - link"I love the Nanoxia Deep Silence cases and would easily recommend one over the 330R"
It would be good to elaborate on this. I'm evaluating cases and it would be good to know in what ways the Nanoxia is preferable. Reply
Max22258 - Friday, October 31, 2014 - linkI have bought a 330R to replace an Antec case that I had. Right from the start I found my old Antec case with the side panel latch was a much better design then the corsair. I wish they would have panels that latches instead of the old sliding hook that are dated from the beginning of personal computer. I had problem installing the panel on one side when the computer case was upright. Also I do have a corsair power supply, when I installed the motherboard and the video card, the six pin connectors could not reach the motherboard and video card, I had to use an extension. Also when installing SATA cable for a drive, you should use the 90 degree connectors, mine were touching the side panels. At the top if you want to install the 140 mm fans, you cannot have the top panel installed, the clips for the top panel falls right on the mounting screws. They should have design the top panel to enable the mounting of the 140 mm fans. Also there was no manual, as I searched on how did they install theses fans. The foam covering must be removed and only one fan can be mounted.
All of these points should have make your review, I have look for years at Arnand Tech for advice and reviews. I am quite disappointed with this review.
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