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SFF Roundup, Socket 939 Systemsby Jarred Walton on 8/10/2005 3:57 PM EST
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JarredWalton - Thursday, October 27, 2005 - linkHopefully, anyone interested in the "promised" part 2 will find this post. I'm thinking of forgetting part 2 - I just have too much stuff to do! I've run some X2 benches/tests and can tell you this.
The 330P, EQ3901-300P, SN25P, and ST20G5 all worked flawlessly with dual core - once the BIOS was updated. That last part is important, so let me elaborate.
For the 330P and ST20G5, the system WOULD NOT work with the BIOS I had (i.e. POST failed or complete system instability in the case of the 330P), so I had to switch back to a single core, update the BIOS, and then it worked. The 330P at first seemed to work, but I got frequent crashes and I couldn't even flash the BIOS with the X2 installed. If you have an extra 939 CPU, you should be fine; if you don't... well, I don't know if current 330Ps or ST20G5s are shipping with the latest BIOS or not, but I doubt it. (Ask Biostar/Shuttle for more information, I would suggest.)
Notably absent from the above list of X2 supported SFFs is the SN95G5v1/v2. I have v2, and it won't get past POST with an X2 processor. V3 will apparently work, but why buy an older AGP SFF these days? The Soltek worked fine, the SN25P was probably the best fit for the X2 plus a faster GPU, but the 330P was a lot more stable with the latest BIOS update. (The BIOS seemed to address several of the stability issues I had initially.) As far as I can tell, the USB + X2 issues of the SN25P have been resolved - I couldn't get any problems to occur, but then I may not be using the "right" USB device to cause a crash.
My pick overall remains with the SN25P. I successfully overclocked an X2 3800+ to 2.70 GHz in that system, where I could only reach 2.50 GHz in the 330P and 3901. Temperatures were a little lower than the 330P, cooling is better, but the system is larger. I'd say the 330P is now second overall in the recommendation list, and it does look pretty nice. The AGP units are not worth purchasing unless you can get them really cheap.
As nice as I think the ST20G5 looks, I feel the chipset used is complete garbage. Later ATI Xpress 200 chipsets (like the Crossfire stuff) are apparently much better, but the early Xpress 200 is at best equal to the like of ALi/ULi and SiS. Even VIA would be better (outside of integrated graphics performance) than the original Xpress 200. Overclocking remains essentially non-existent, and the smaller PSU (240W) will struggle with an X2 plus faster GPU. There's no way I would recommend spending $350 on the ST20G5.
Jarred Walton
SFF and Guide Editor
P.S. I'm skipping the 775 roundup as well, and will be moving on to later 775 systems for review. Basically, all of the 915/925 SFFs are outdated by the Pentium D, so there's no reason to purchase one (in my opinion). If you really want some brief thoughts on a specific 775 SFF, email me and I'll let you know. I have looked at several of the units, but putting together a 25000 word article on outdated hardware doesn't seem like a good use of time. Reply
highlandsun - Tuesday, November 01, 2005 - linkThanks for following up here, I just found this roundup while googling for ST20G5 reviews. My brother has an SN95G5v2 and we spent several hours one night trying to make it behave after updating to the latest BIOS. After the update Windows no longer saw his Logitech wireless trackball (but Linux still saw it just fine) plugged into the PS/2 port. We had to go back to the original BIOS that the thing shipped with. Unfortunately the original version doesn't support Cool'n'Quiet on the Winchester or Venice 3000+ that we plugged in (we had one of each), which was why we went looking for the BIOS upgrade in the first place.
Anyway, he's using the SN95 for an HTPC, and I got interested in going the same route. But I was looking at the ST20 instead. The SN25P isn't a viable option because we're using Fusion HDTV tuner cards, and they're PCI only, no PCI-E version yet. I couldn't care less about AGP vs PCI-E for video in this case, as it's all overkill for simple media streaming. (The only key feature is making sure the video card supports DxVA for DVICO's MPEG decoder to work well.) But now it seems that none of Shuttle's current offerings are really suitable, since the ST20 really is too flawed in other areas.
Has anyone ever gotten an answer from Shuttle about why they would go to the trouble of using the Nforce3 Ultra but not using its integrated Gbit LAN??
dlevens - Sunday, September 04, 2005 - linkIt would be nice to see a section on customer support. I have been extremely disapointed in Shuttle support for these SFF systems. I started with the SV25 and about 10 cubes later I am running the sn25p. I have to say I hate this thing. Also surprised to see there was no mention of some major issues with stability due to cheap or faulty sata cables. There are a ton of posts on sudhian about issues related to the sata cables. Curious if Anandtech saw any of these issues? http://forums.sudhian.com/messageview.aspx?catid=4...">http://forums.sudhian.com/messageview.a...amp;thre...
Although, I would expect shuttle would send a well tested machine for a review site.
I also had a miserable time finding the most stable way to build the sn25p as far as drivers. Still not sure I have it right. This would be a great section to add in a review. I made a post here reguarding driver issues.
One of my biggest complaints about the sn25p is sound. Was shocked to see the Via envy praised so much in the review. Maybe this is part of the driver issues I am having or could be the game I am currently playing, but sound is breaking up constantly on this thing. I have tried both drivers from VIA and both from shuttle. Anyone else playing Warlords IV on an sn25p and able to get your sound to work? I play warlords IV and run skype in the background for voice. Sound is garbled and breaks up.
Still looking for shuttle to be unseated in the sff market, would be nice to find some quality and stability to match the high price we pay for these sff systems. And a company who stands behind their product with great support would be icing on that cake.
Dennis Reply
JarredWalton - Thursday, October 27, 2005 - linkHey Dennis - I don't know if you'll see this, but I'll add it for others that might look. I obviously can't play all the games out there with each unit, so all I know is that the SN25P and the Via Envy did great on the tests I ran. The sound was also completely free of static, which is not the case for several of the others. The lack of static was far more important to me than other aspects of the sound system.
Anyway, I didn't run into driver issues or SATA issues. I don't know if I just got lucky or what. I did a clean install of XP SP2, then I used the included CD to get sound and networking. I then downloaded the latest nF4 chipset drivers, along with graphics drivers for the ATI card I used, and I grabbed all the updates from Windows Update. Everything seemed to run fine. Reply
artifex - Monday, August 22, 2005 - linkI think it'd be fun to compare these to Iwill's ZMAXdp, which is a dual-Opteron SFF. Not dual core, but dual processor. SFFTech says it's using nForce3 Pro as the chipset. It's also amazingly expensive, and has a silly little fin antenna :) Reply
JarredWalton - Thursday, August 25, 2005 - linkIwill declined to send the current ZMAXdp when I emailed them, but they're working on an updated version for the future, so we'll see. Reply
Zak - Monday, August 15, 2005 - linkFrankly, each one of them has one single fault, just one, that makes, otherwise perfect box, useless for me... Some have the card readers up front that spoil the looks and I don't need them, some have no SPDIF out, some have 4 pin FireWire connectors, some are butt-ugly, some have on-board video. They'd be perfect otherwise if not for those single small problems. I haven't found a small factor case yet that would be perfect for me. So I'm sticking to towers for now.
Zak Reply
jopa25 - Saturday, August 13, 2005 - linkHi, congratulations and thanks for that great review, in the first place
I'd have a little question about the the measurement of the noise levels of these SFF, is there any differences in the way noise was measured in relation with the former roundup (478/754 SFF roundup) ?
I expected the newer models to be quieter without GPU fan than the 478/754 SFF. However, according to the measurements, at 12 inches far, 4 out of the 5 478/754 SFF reviewed remained below 30dB, while the new models keep in a range from 37 to 46 dB in the same test. Quite a significant difference, isn't it?
As a part of an explanation, I guess the processor used in the last roundup (AMD Athlon 64 3800+ with Newcastle core) is not exactly wonderful at power saving, but should not be far from the Intel Pentium 4 3.0 used in the other roundup anyway.
So, the question is: Is there any reasonable explanation for these high levels of noise with fanless GPU, in comparison with those from the 478/754 roundup?
JarredWalton - Saturday, August 13, 2005 - linkI'm not entirely sure why the noise levels were higher. Part of it may be due to the time of year (winter vs. summer). The room that the systems were in was probably closer to 65 F for the last roundup, whereas I'd say close to 75 F for the current roundup. A 10 degree difference in room temperature would have a substantial impact, unfortunately. (If you compare the SN25P results to the March testing, it was substantially louder during stress testing.)
I may not have measured in the exact same location relative to the last SFF roundup. I think I measured the socket 478 units from the front, which may have impacted things, and I moved some desks around which could have impacted scores as well. The rear of the SFFs are now closer to a wall than the old location, so noise reflecting off the wall might be changing the readings a bit.
I tried to be consistent with all the units in the roundup, but the use of differing CPUs makes it hard to say how they compare with the older models. I would say, however, that in typical use only the G5 units were at the same level as the last roundup. The 330P idled very low, but stress tests made it quite a bit louder. The SN25P and EQ3901 are both clearly louder than everything but the e-bot, which is roughly on the same level in terms of noise. Reply
WooDaddy - Friday, August 12, 2005 - linkJarod,
GREAT Article. For quite some time I wanted to see a review with the SN25 and ST20 together. In the meantime, I bought a Mac Mini (quit screaming "traitor"). Out of curiousity, do you or anyone know the rated noise levels of the mini? It's dead quiet even at full CPU.
For you LGA775 SFF round-up, please don't forget to consider the Trigem Kloss PC (www.klosspc.com available at ZZF). Personally, it's the best looking SFF I've seen (better than the ASUS Spressos). I've been desperately looking for a review on that badboy.
Thanks Reply
JarredWalton - Friday, August 12, 2005 - linkI'll hit the KLOSS as soon as I can. (I have it already.) So unless someone else votes, I guess I'll get the KLOSS reviewed next. Reply
Sokolum - Thursday, August 11, 2005 - linkFor the last 2 months now i have a ST20G5 using as a MCE system. There are a few problems what i have encounbtered, one of them is that the system behaviour changes when i change a setting within the BIOS. Those aren't dramatic changes. But with every change, it looks like that the graphics runs muchmore slower, you can see this with dragging a windows screen over your desktop, you get trails from that window...
The system only runs smooth when i *don't* touch those setting. Happily the things keep running smoothly when i enlarge the shared video memory.
For the MCE side, i failed to make the Hauppauge 500MCE run compleetly as it should, i am only able to run TV 'Tunner 1' without problems when i *disable* TV 'Tunner 2' within windows Device Manager. Shuttle or Hauppauge couldn't help me with this case.
As the review documented, this is one of the cases that RAID is causing the problem in this story. In my MCE setup, i don't use RAID (there is *no* room for a seccond drive when you installed a floppy drive). Why RAID is the problem, what i have been told is that RAID wants to use al of the PCI bandwith. It seems the nature of RAID in this kind of systems, just een told, i am not for 100% sure, but it seems plausible to mee.
, a nice looking machine. I solved the problem for the flash cards with buying a floppy disk what come with a integrated card readed, see link:
mino - Thursday, August 11, 2005 - linkJared I must confes, this is the _first_ time i see everclocking test done as it should have been. I really appreciate the comments for newbies (it makes easier to me to explain to them if you could reference somthing :). Also finally use of correct term oo A64 base freq./FSB issue. I think this way is it should be done for _all_ A64 motherboard review.
1) do a maximum base freq. check (by keeping memfreq. around DDR400 + CPU not overclocked
2) do a max memclock test at 1T (with some proven components, just to check quality of CPU to MEM routing on the MB)
3) do some max. overclock test (actually this may be optional since it depend mostly CPU chosen)
Keep at this route and many readers may finaly undestand the basics of A64's OCing. Reply
JarredWalton - Thursday, August 11, 2005 - linkI'm working on some detailed overclocking articles right now. Glad you enjoyed the section, and I'll be going into a LOT more detail (with benchmarks) on some future OC articles. Reply
dropadrop - Thursday, August 11, 2005 - linkThanks for the nice review,
If you are considering a followup I would love to see you test usb. While the usb on my sn95g5 v2 works for casual things like a mouse, digital camera and memory card reader, it does not work for an ipod shuffle, external soundcard (hercules dj console), or external hardisk.
There have been alot of people with similar experiences. It wold be great if you could find a way to test the sff's with a few "demanding" usb devices, and even measure the voltage (and stability of it) supplied via usb.
I also second the request for you to test the sn95g5 with an X2. The new bios surely supports them, as people in north america have been getting their current rigs modded by shuttle for support. I would love to see how your's supports it (and maby even venice / san diego) without being modded. I believe you would have the chance to help alot of confused SN95G5 users by trying out a few cpu's in it. Reply
JarredWalton - Thursday, August 11, 2005 - linkI will definitely give it a shot. At present, my intention is to purchase an external IDE HDD enclosure with USB2.0 and 1394A support and do some file transfers and such between that and the system. The problem with that approach is that the enclosures all have an external power source. Can anyone recommend an inexpensive USB/Firewire HDD enclosure that gets the power over the USB port? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82...">I found this one, but I'm not really keen on spending $160 for something I don't personally need. Reply
dev0lution - Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - linkHow come the SN25P details don't mention the update from nforce4 standard to nForce4 Ultra? I'm thinking of getting one so I went to the previous review and it lists chipset in the specs as the nForce 4 standard, but if you go to Shuttle's current product page for the SN25P it lists the chipset as the Nforce4 Ultra. Who's correct? Reply
JarredWalton - Thursday, August 11, 2005 - linkI think I may have just been lazy or neglectful in the original SN25P article. I'm pretty sure it was always nForce4 Ultra. Then again, regular nf4 vs. nF4U only adds SATA-II support IIRC. I don't see anything about SN25P supporting SATA-II which is sort of odd. Reply
Cookie Crusher - Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - linkI know it may be a "dated" or more "Entry Oriented" socket, but I have found that the socket 754 SFF systems are great for gaming and general use. Was there ever a roundup for them? If not, I'd like to see maybe a limited look at them to remind everyone that they are viable alternatives to, and about $75-$100+ cheaper than, these socket 939 options.
I think it's important to point this out because of the note in the article that a SFF option incurs a premium....maybe so, but there are still cost effective options in that market. thanks. Reply
Cookie Crusher - Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - linkNevermind.....i found the roundup I was hoping for.....still, would be nice to make that reference to the older socket types as legitimate choices for SFF hopefuls on a budget. :-) Reply
JarredWalton - Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - linkSo I spoke too soon. After finishing this article, I just happend to come across http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82...">the new Aopen 939 SFF. That actually looks pretty promising, though the IGP isn't going to beat the ST20G5 that I can see (no DVI port). Time to put in a request for that unit.... Reply
rqle - Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - linkPrice of these SFF are getting quite pricey lately. So much to the point when you add the cpu, hard drive, memory, video card, optical drive AND LCD it will comes very close to the price of a good high end laptop on a good day. Dell 17inch 9300 w/6800 on a VERY good sale day comes just over the price of these SFF 'system.' Big fan of these SFF, but prices should be a little bit more reasonable for me to buy again. Reply
JarredWalton - Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - linkI agree with you on a lot of that, but a SFF with a 19" (or larger) LCD and a 6800GT/X800XL is pretty much going to stomp all over any similarly priced laptop. There's basically a $150 price premium to get a high-end SFF case, which is going to prevent many from buying. Still, some people buy $200 cases just because they look nice, so it's all a matter of taste.
If you need portability, though, there are very few options other than getting a laptop. Personally, laptops and gaming are something I just don't care about. I'd get a cheap laptop for the office work I do and then keep a second system at home for any gaming. Some of course feel otherwise, but laptop keyboards and such just don't do it for me. Reply
R3MF - Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - linklove it. Reply
BigT383 - Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - linkI have a first-generation SN95G5. I bought it thinking that since it's socket 939 I'd be able to upgrade to dual-core when it came out.
Apparently this isn't the case, but I haven't seen anybody say they've tried it yet- so far there seem to be only rumors.
So I know this is a weird request but what I'd like to see right now is an article testing a CPU like the Athlon X2 4400+ on the three different versions of the SN95G5.
I can understand that X2s need a bios update, but the physical motherboard shouldn't be holding me back, right? Reply
dcuccia - Thursday, August 18, 2005 - linkX2 support for the SN25P w/o USB2 issues is now available through a BIOS upgrade:
JarredWalton - Thursday, August 18, 2005 - linkThanks, I made a quick comment on the SN25P page to mention this. Reply
JarredWalton - Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - linkI'm going to be dropping an X2 3800+ into the SN95G5v2 just to see what happens. I'll try to get some official word from Shuttle on the matter as well. I really have no idea what the SN95G5v1 will support. I think the main change between it and v2 was a switch from an 80mm fan to a 92mm fan. Reply
Zirconium - Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - linkI love the roundup articles. I find them to be the most useful because they allow you to hone in on what you are looking for quickly, and then you can go to other sites and check the reviews that are solely for the products you are looking for.
That said, one thing I'm interested is the quality of the integrated graphics on these computers. I have an SK41G and I could tell the difference between the quality of the built-in graphics and the AIW Radeon 7500 that is currently in it. When the integrated graphics were hooked up to a TV (I tried two) you could notice bands moving up the TV. Reply


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Doom3 Linux and Windows Battlegroundsby Kristopher Kubicki on 10/13/2004 12:50 AM EST
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Roots - Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - linkI predict that for a "normal" WinXP user, the spyware/adware/viruses will bog the performance down enough to make Linux look like the undisputed king of modern gaming. :D Reply
lapierrem - Monday, December 13, 2004 - linkJust wondering why you are doing this from X at all?
I know pretty much any app that can be run from command line takes a bit of a hit run on X.
I have no idea and maybe i'm missing something but is it not possible to run from the command line, or is it a driver issue?
SuSE is not an dist I would ever use, I had it installed but I didn't really like it.
I wouldn't mind seeing this done - best case linux scenario vs. best case windows
on the same hardware. Reply
aaime - Monday, October 25, 2004 - linkIs there any change to see a 2D performance comparison? Yes, you're read properly: 2D.
I ask about it because 2D acceleration of some propietary drivers is ridicolously low, and people should know about it _before_ buying a graphics card.
For an example of such a comparison, see:
http://homepage.hispeed.ch/rscheidegger/atilinux_o... Reply
mikebabcock - Tuesday, October 19, 2004 - linkFrom a different angle than some people suggested, it would be very helpful if you'd use the *same scale* on all graphs on a page. That way we can compare the FPS numbers between tests, instead of having to compute them mentally.
One graph ends at 80fps, one at 150fps ... the bars are at the same points, how do you notice easily that one test is so much faster than another?
This is a standard graphing concept -- use the same scale for all charts for comparisons. Reply
yokem55 - Tuesday, October 19, 2004 - linkAnother thing effecting this review is that Doom3 provides its own libstdc++.so and libgcc.so libs, which when replaced with symlinks against the system's own built in libs results in a decent performance boost. This is probably a bit more noticable on a distro like Gentoo which has optimized these libs more specifically to the architecture provided. Also, the kernel being used can have a big impact. The vanilla 2.6 kernel has a rather (IMHO) ugly scheduler that allows programs like Doom3 to get run over a bit more than it should. With the ck patchset, this is improved a good amount. As for how well gcc has optimized the doom3 code, an interesting comparison would be to see the performance of the windows version of doom3 running under wine. Granted, the overhead of wine might affect some things, but you would be able to figure out better where exactly the performance losses are coming into play. Reply
nyda - Tuesday, October 19, 2004 - linkYou compared Windows vs Linux performance on a 6800 with the 5950 driver for Linux (only)?
As far as I'm concerned, that makes this benchmark pretty much useless. The latest driver, as of release of this article supports the 6800 perfectly fine here. Since it doesn't seem to be the case on your system, did you ever consider that there might be other issues with the system?
Furthermore the whole point is pretty much moot seeing this test was performed on a "kernel 2.6.8-14-default". A Linux System is NOT to be used with a default kernel. You can use those to boot from a liveCD but thats about it. They are supposed to give you something to start with, not something to live with. Even Suse ships with automated tools to generate a kernel for your system.
If you are serious about comparing Linux vs Windows, use a distribution or system that supports your hardware 100% and don't stick with a non-optimized kernel.
If you were really serious, you would also talk about the various possible optimizations on an open source system (compiling code for your specific system *will* make it *a lot* faster), mention high performance distributions like Gentoo and use an optimized glibc2 which already gives you another 9-11% performance over the one provided with doom3 (which seems to be compiled without any optimization flags for whatever reason).
You left a lot of Linux potential uncovered and wonder why it turns out to be slower. Hopefully the next article will be more representative. Sadly, this one is just pretty pictures without any meaning. :/
My own results are similar to poster #18 's results: On an AMD64 3200+, FX6800, Gentoo (-O3 -march=athlon-xp) it's 25% faster than on WinXP. About 30-35% after replacing the provived crappy glibc with a symlink to the one my Gentoo system normally uses. Reply
nongamer1 - Tuesday, October 19, 2004 - linkI have to second #28.
This review may have been written by someone who spent decades in Windows, applied all the latest tweaks and tuning tools to it, yet on the Linux side, things probably don't look that bright yet.
Unfortunately the article doesn't mention whether it was the 32bit or 64bit SuSE distro that it tested.
64bit has been reported to be able to make a difference of up to 30% or 40% CPU performance wise *sometimes*, so in exchange for much worse Linux graphics driver optimization, why not bring the much worse 64bit CPU "optimization" of Windows into the game? ;-)
(64bit Linux drivers for Nvidia have been available for a few weeks/months, right?)
As has been said by #28, there are also enormous speed differences between various distros, e.g. Yoper or Gentoo should be blindingly fast compared to a rather slow "standard" Red Hat, and I'd guess that SuSE isn't totally on the fast side either.
I'd be willing to bet that with the fastest Linux distro and the fastest currently available kernel (e.g. a Con Kolivas kernel), Linux could actually beat Windows hands down, especially with a rather "slight" 25% performance difference as it stands now, despite less optimized graphics drivers...
And then let them enable SSE2 in the Linux binary and use gcc 3.4.x for compilation and let them have a well-optimized Nvidia driver etc., and the speed advantage should be very obvious.
Main point: a bog-standard off-the-shelf distro isn't necessarily what you'd want to use for very fast gaming.
(but OTOH you perhaps didn't tune Windows in a special way for this review either, so the comparison of currently available "standard" components should have been fair after all, I guess...) Reply
solidliq - Monday, October 18, 2004 - linkPerhaps you guys should learn a little more about linux before you continue with these comparisons. Don't get me wrong, I think it's _great_ that you're doing linux comparisons, but a little more knowledge would be helpful.
First, you're using the 2.6.8 kernel for this test, which is known to be buggy. The major problem: the scheduler. How does this affect game and graphics performance? Greatly. This is why I'm using the 2.6.7 kernel, compiled from source from www.kernel.org.
Secondly, since the port has been under development for a while, it was probably done with a 2.4.x series kernel. That series of kernel would have been my first choice for testing.
Third, why have a full desktop environment loaded up to play a fullscreen game (KDE)? You _want_ overhead introduced into the testing?
Fourth, you always should test multiple distros. As is, this is _not_ a Windows versus Linux comparison. It is a SUSE versus Windows comparison. At a minimum, try SUSE, Mandrake, Fedora, Gentoo, and possibly Slackware (my distro of choice). Each one has its own quirks. Slackware is truly linux, because the vendor does not modify any of the source. However, it is much more difficult to configure correctly. Gentoo is a great distrobution because it is designed for being compiled specifically for the machine it is installed on. Using the straight source packages rather than vendor modified packages also goes a long way towards creating a fair test.
Finally, learn to do the configuration from a shell, rather than from a gui. This is the way it is done by a vast majority of the linux community. This will allow you to see exactly what's going on, rather than scratching your heads over questions such as, "We're not sure why the reboot was required...". This is linux, not windows. If you know what you're doing, you should never have to scratch your heads over these types of questions. If you did it from a shell, a reboot should not have been necessary. Most likely, the reboot was required because you use a graphical login, and the X Server had to be restarted, _not_ the whole operating system.
Otherwise, thanks for finally taking linux seriously. Just please to the comparisons right. As I'm sure it took some time to learn the ins and outs of windows, it will also take some time to learn the ins and outs of linux, as it is a very different operating system. Hiring a linux guru would give you a good head start. Reply
sprockkets - Saturday, October 16, 2004 - linkI took someones advice or suggestion here and used cedaga to play starcraft, works much better and faster on Linux, though bnet has issues... Reply
Guspaz - Thursday, October 14, 2004 - linkI'm sorry, I snapped. The tone of my post was uncalled for.
I still believe, however, that further investigation is in order. Reply
LittleKing - Thursday, October 14, 2004 - linkI've said it before and I'll say it again, the rollover images don't work with FireFox. It's a shame Anand won't support it I guess.
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KristopherKubicki - Wednesday, October 13, 2004 - linkGuspaz: We get different frame rates with 8X and 16X. Even if they produce the same image, I suspect they use different algorithms. I don't know why that would seem unprofessional?
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walmartshopper - Wednesday, October 13, 2004 - link#20... If it's not doing 16x, how do you explain the performance drop? Just because the images are the exact same does not mean it's not doing the work. Theres a limit to antialiasing, meaning there's a limit to how smooth an edge can be. I think in many cases, 8x hits that limit, and 16x is just overkill. But just because there's no difference in this particular screenshot doesn't mean theres not ever a difference. I'm sure it makes some kind of difference in most cases, even if only a few pixels. Just imagine if 32xAA existed... compare 16x to 32x and i doubt you would ever be able to find any difference. But that doesn't mean the card isn't doing extra work. With 8x and 16x you are starting to get into the same territory where anything above 8x makes little or no difference.
Sorry, but that post gave me a good laugh. Reply
sprockkets - Wednesday, October 13, 2004 - linkKeep in mind that SuSE uses xfree86 in 9.1and will go to x.org in the next release, or it seem by the way the ftp is hinting it will. Reply
walmartshopper - Wednesday, October 13, 2004 - linkI'm getting noticably better performance on Linux over xp. I run 1600x1200 high quality with 4xAA on a 6800gt.
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NV driver: 6106
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fresh copy with nothing more than a few games installed
NV driver: 66.72
At the same settings, the game feels noticably smoother on linux. Thanks to ReiserFS, the loading time is also much faster. Sorry for no benchmarks, but I got rid of the windows install after my first time playing on Linux. I had problems with the 6111 driver crashing, but 6106 works flawlessly. (Although I can switch drivers in less than a minute without even rebooting) I can't wait until nvclock supports overclocking on the 6800 series.
I'm a little disappointed that all the testing was done on SuSE. The beauty of Linux is being able to customize and optimize just about anything. I realize that SuSE is a distro that average joe is likely to use, but I think you should also include some scores from a simple, fast, optimized distro/kernel such as Slack or Gentoo to show what Linux is really capable of.
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Guspaz - Wednesday, October 13, 2004 - linkI did a difference on the 8x and 16x AA images.
You're wrong. Your review cards are NOT doing 16xAA. They're doing 8xAA.
Considering how the 8x and 16x images look identical, that should have been your first hint; once you run a diff and find they ARE identical, I'd expect you to know better.
Seriously, make a correction, this looks unprofessional. Reply
Saist - Wednesday, October 13, 2004 - link#15 - My bad to make such generalizations..
but the fact that you can't even use an ATI card to play D3 doesn't bode well for Linux gaming...
Keep in mind, ATi is several months, if not a year or more behind Nvidia in supporting Linux. Give ATi time, and things like this will probably become as obsolete as Win95. Reply
Olias - Wednesday, October 13, 2004 - linkAt 800x600-high quality, I get 32fps in XP and 45 in Linux. Linux is 13fps(40%) faster.
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ath50 - Wednesday, October 13, 2004 - linkYou list on the first page
"Timothee Besset, Linuxgamers.com " as the source of the quote, but its actually Linuxgames.com, linuxgamers is one of those search pages with popups that tries to reset your homepagge :
Just a little thing...I went off to linuxgamers.com first hehe. Reply
jediknight - Wednesday, October 13, 2004 - link#15 - My bad to make such generalizations..
but the fact that you can't even use an ATI card to play D3 doesn't bode well for Linux gaming... Reply
jensend - Wednesday, October 13, 2004 - link#14- bunk. All you can take away from this review is that Windows "owns Linux for" D3 1.1 performance. You can't generalize this for game performance in general. Most games show a less than 5% difference.
BTW, another article on the same topic with more detail is at http://www.linuxhardware.org/article.pl?sid=04/10/... Reply
jediknight - Wednesday, October 13, 2004 - linkI like the difference pictures.. although when you get up to 8x and 16x, they're probably unnecessary.
But the thing to take away from this review is that Windows owns Linux for gaming performance. Reply
icehot - Wednesday, October 13, 2004 - linkInteresting article. Was it just me or are the difference maps just pure black? Also I dont think things like 16xAA are really needed, after 2x or 4x the differences between anything higher and the original image is negligable, and definately not noticeable when playing, maybe if you really take the time to admire the scenary, but who does that when fighting monsters?? Reply
Lwood - Wednesday, October 13, 2004 - linkAccording to an article over at LinuxHardware.org, the Linux build of Doom 3 is currently less optimized than the Windows build.
Most notably SSE2 code is missing (but will be added later) and GCC does not optimize as good as VC.net.
Details here:
I guess we can expect the gap to get smaller in later Doom 3 builds, but not to disappear entirely.
ViRGE - Wednesday, October 13, 2004 - linkKris, odd, I swear that I was only getting 2 graphs per page when I read the article. I don't know if Firefox is bugging out on me or what. Reply
reljam - Wednesday, October 13, 2004 - linkKris, please put Windows and Linux numbers on the same graph, you know that people will want to see how they stack up against each other.
Not clear on why you wouldn't want to do that. Reply
jensend - Wednesday, October 13, 2004 - linkNeither NV nor id has much of a reason to optimize heavily for linux, and it's entirely unsurprising that the windows version performs better. Nevertheless, I expect that the gap will close considerably as the Doom 3 engine matures. Reply
Myrandex - Wednesday, October 13, 2004 - linkThe AA pictures won't work for me. When I click on them, I get a new window w/ the alert 'hold your mouse over the picture' and then the page doesn't load. When I hold my mouse over the original image, nothing happens. Also, the black pictures to the right of those are way to black to tell a thing about them. Interesting article though. I wonder if 16X AA would be playable in a lower resolution.
Jason Reply
Lwood - Wednesday, October 13, 2004 - linkThat bit about the 16x AA you can enable in Linux is surely interesting. Maybe you can try this on a less performance-demanding game than Doom 3.
I'd love to see UT 2004 and Enemy Territory benchmarks for this mode... :-)
mave - Wednesday, October 13, 2004 - linkI guess the biggest reason why Linux performance lags behind Windows could be NVidia Linux drivers aren't optimized for doom3 yet. Their version number is 6111, windows drivers 61.77 (used for testing).
Also Doom 3 binary will propably get performance boost later.
(Just a guess, just have to wait and see)
Being Linux gamer always means that you have to have patience:=) Reply
jepapac - Wednesday, October 13, 2004 - linkFrom reading your article, I'm guessing that you ran Doom 3 from within KDE on SUSE. Can you run some Doom 3 benchmarks from a super-lightweight window manager like blackbox or better yet just the failsafe xterm. I'd be interested in how much running a bloated desktop environment like KDE or Gnome slows down the gaming performance. Reply
tyski34 - Wednesday, October 13, 2004 - linkPutting the Linux and Windows FPS numbers on the first couple of pages on the same chart would have been very helpful (even more helpful if they were color-coded or something). As it is, it was pretty tough to compare the two. Reply
Zebo - Wednesday, October 13, 2004 - linkPeople still playing this disappointment? Reply
KristopherKubicki - Wednesday, October 13, 2004 - linkVirge?
Like those?
Kristopher Reply
ViRGE - Wednesday, October 13, 2004 - linkSince you're comparing Linux and Windows from time to time, wouldn't it be prudent to at least post a couple of Windows numbers, just so we know what the actual difference is? Reply


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Hi all! New runner here. Currently on week 5 of the c25k app. I'm wondering if there are other runners on this forum with exercise-induced asthma that have found a way to conquer the inability to breathe during longer running intervals.
When I started with short intervals I wasn't bothered at all. Now that I am at the 5-6 minute running intervals, by the third interval, I can only get about to inhales at a time. I'm taking two puffs of the inhaler pre-run. No help so far.
So...is there hope for me to continue doing what I am learning to love?
Thanks for your help!
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Hey there, long-time asthma sufferer (both allergy and exercise induced) here and hopefully I can give you some tips.
Everyone is different of course, so take what i say with a grain of salt, but what really helped me move to the next level in my running was adding some additional longer-term asthma control medications into my regimen. I first started on Singulair (pills), which proved to be amazing for suppressing asthma symptoms (for a while I didn't even need to use the rescue inhaler). It also opened the door to increased training mileage which further strengthened my lungs and paved the way for what has been 15+ years of pretty decent running. I'm now on something called Alvesco, which is an inhaled corticosteroid (aka preventer med), and I use it only infrequently when I notice some asthma symptoms popping up.
It seems semi-counterintuitive, but I always say that once you reach a certain level of running/lung fitness, it's actually the best asthma prevention out there. I notice that when I slack off from training I see a similar loss of asthma symptom control. Odd but true.
I still use the rescue inhaler (one puff 5 mins before exercise) and haven't needed it for its "rescue" purpose in I don't know how long.
Best bet is to talk with a doctor about what might be right for your specific issues.
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I have both exercise induced asthma and allergy induced asthma. I was diagnosed close to 2 years ago when I was already a runner (a marathoner). It took me close to 2 years to come back to my old paces (pre-asthma) and thanks to a good doctor that found the right combination of meds (regular meds and emergency inhaler), allergy shots (for a severe dustmite allergy) and sheer stubbornness. Initially, my paces were 2-3mm slower than pre-asthma and it took a while for them to normalize. After that, my paces are back on track and I've gotten PRs (Personal Records) for every distance I have raced post asthma.
As to medications, I was once on 5 medications (Symbicort, albuterol, Singulair, and others). I am now only Symbicort and have not needed to use albuterol in the last 6 months, even during fast 5K attempts. My oxygen capacity, though, remains at 62%, still low but it was 49% last year, so a huge improvement.
Yes, there is hope, but one thing that I learned is that a runner with asthma might need to tweak the normal training of others to fit their condition. I still have some issues with certain workouts (fast intervals or tempo runs) in that my lungs might suffer for days post workout affecting other workouts. That has improved in the last 6 months, though, so nothing is permanent!
I recommend patience and stubbornness. Oh, and good meds. Good luck!
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Thank you all so much! I was concerned that the answer would be "don't run". I will schedule an appointment with my PCP to get on top of this now. I also hadn't been taking my maintenance inhaler since I usually only suffer from seasonal asthma. I'll start that back up daily prior to getting in with her and keep running!
And don't be afraid to try different meds if 1 or 2 don't work. I wanted Singulair to work, but it was like a sugar pill. Advair is popular, but I had EVERY unpleasant side-effect with that (crap immune system, chronic oral thrush outbreaks regardless of how much I rinsed or brushed my entire mouth post-use, frequent sinus infections). I've been on Qvar for a few years and use a spacer device and it works great -- more meds end up in my lungs and not on the back of my throat.
As has already been said, everyone is different & see a doctor. But please, don't give up on the running! As you have seen there is a good core group of asthmatics on these forums; if you really want to run, you will very likely find something that works.
The 2 puffs of pre-run albuterol actually does work for me, then I am good to go for any distance. If I do not take it, it is a near guarantee of breathing problems after a couple miles.
The only time I ever have any other problems is once every couple years I will get some kind of respiratory infection, which might not be too severe for someone with normal lungs, but for me sticks around for a few months & and essentially causes one continuous asthma attack. For that I go on Advair and that generally keeps it under control. That is pretty powerful stuff; I know it is working because I can pretty much turn the asthma on & off by skipping a day or two. I don't get any of the side effects. I end up weaning myself off it after a while (usually involving some trial & error). Until the next time.
Feel free to post any other questions & status updates...good luck!
That will never be the answer. Actually, my doctor says I wouldn't have increased from 49% to 62% BUT FOR the running. And I run quite a lot of marathons a year (see sig). Slow running but still, running with asthma can be part of your life.
Slow running but still, running with asthma can be part of your life.
Slow running but still, running with asthma can be part of your life.
I wish I could get this through to my mom. She won't run because she thinks she is too old and heavy to start and also uses asthma as a cop-out, even though she has heard me say on numerous occasions that my lung function is better for running and biking. She won't walk because she says it's boring...and then she sets in to complain about her numerous ailments, most of which would be improved by being active in SOME capacity. I just read about a woman who started running in her mid-80s and has done marathonS...if my mom were online I'd be bombarding her with stories of this woman.
Tell her to read some of the RRs in my blog from late 2011 and 2012. If that does not get her off the couch, nothing will. I struggled through a lot of races and I even thought of quitting running altogether but it got better.
Today is a rough day for me. Remembering the good days is what keeps me going after a bad workout.
I wish I could get this through to my mom. She won't run because she thinks she is too old and heavy to start and also uses asthma as a cop-out, even though she has heard me say on numerous occasions that my lung function is better for running and biking. She won't walk because she says it's boring...and then she sets in to complain about her numerous ailments, most of which would be improved by being active in SOME capacity. I just read about a woman who started running in her mid-80s and has done marathonS...if my mom were online I'd be bombarding her with stories of this woman.
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This is a pretty supportive brunch! I really hope that you find the meds you need to cope with your asthma. I personally don't have it, but my brother does and he uses this as his reason to NOT run.
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With interest rates at historic lows and the sharemarket surging higher, Australian households are saving money and planning to spend it on a holiday, says new research.
A St George Bank and Melbourne Institute survey showed that more than 45 per cent of Australians managed to save money in the first three months of 2013, while 12.4 per cent said they were managing to "save a lot".
Putting money aside for holidays or travel was the most popular reason for saving.
Also, the quarterly Household Financial Conditions Report showed outright home ownership rose in all states. The percentage of respondents who own their home outright jumped to 45.6 per cent, from 40.2 per cent in the previous quarter.
"Improved household financial conditions may have allowed some Australians to make greater contributions to their mortgages, and others to actually pay off their homes entirely," St George Bank chief economist Hans Kunnen said in a statement.
The strong performance of the share market so far this year and lower interest rates also might have helped, he said.
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Australian markets reopen after the Easter break on Tuesday, when the Reserve Bank of Australia hands down its monthly interest rate decision.
The cash rate is tipped to stay at three per cent - all 28 economists surveyed by Bloomberg prior to Easter expected no change.
However, interest will be on RBA governor Glenn Stevens' accompanying statement for clues about the central bank's thinking on the future direction of rates.
"In Australia, the main focus is likely to be on the Reserve Bank which is expected to leave interest rates on hold, AMP Capital Investors chief economist Shane Oliver said in a research note.
Dr Oliver said the the RBA was likely to remain in "wait-and-see" mode given the impact of previous rate cuts was still working its way through the economy.
State by state
The financial conditions survey showed NSW experienced the greatest improvement in household financial conditions, with a 3.8 per cent increase.
It was followed by South Australia (2.9 per cent), Queensland (2.8 per cent), Victoria (2.7 per cent) and Western Australia (1.2 per cent).
South Australia experienced the greatest lift in outright home ownership, from 39.8 per cent to 49.9 per cent for the quarter.


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In the previous post in this two-part series, I described the various methods of getting data into SiteCatalyst. Once you've collected the necessary data for your business needs, you'll next be interested in putting the data to use for reporting, analysis, or optimization purposes. There may be many different ways you'd like to leverage your SiteCatalyst data so I think it's important to understand what options you have at your disposal so that you can achieve your business objectives as efficiently as possible.
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Wilmington children's hospital adds obesity fellowship
The Nemours/Alfred I. duPont Hospital for Children in Wilmington, Delaware, has launched a medical fellowship in pediatric obesity care.
It is the first such fellowship approved by the accrediting body, and Nemours said it is the only certified program in the nation.
"I think across the country, with rates of pediatric obesity increasing, we need a new generation of providers who are interested and well-trained to provide the medical care that children need," says Dr. George Datto, fellowship director.
He hopes the creation of the position also changes thinking.
"(That) the disease of obesity is thought to be a significant medical problem and a chronic disease," Datto said, "and not just a moral failure or failure of will-power."
More than a third of American children and adolescents are overweight or obese.
Stella Volpe, chair of the nutrition sciences department at Drexel University, said this kind of advanced training is becoming more common for health-care workers who intervene at all stages of disease progression.
"We need to really work on preventing this from happening at all, just like with other chronic diseases that are preventable," Volpe said. "Having said that, we know that with millions of people that's probably not going to happen, and so therefore we still need to have specialized care for when people do get there."
A newly formed professional organization offered the first certification exam in obesity medicine late last year.


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Quite a few people seem to dislike a column I wrote earlier this week on exchange-traded funds and their role in the emerging market sell-off. So let me offer a little extra data that was not in the earlier piece.
The following chart, compiled from Strategic Insight Simfund data, shows total inflows and outflows from US investors to emerging market equity funds of three types: active funds, indexed open-ended funds, and indexed ETFs. Figures are in billions of dollars. Starting in 2009, when emerging markets began their rebound, and going through to the final quarter of last year, I believe the story it tells could not be much clearer: ETF money is flighty.
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text: NEW YORK ( TheStreet) -- Philip Parker has this to say to the swanky, Wall Street analyst set: You've probably seen your day. "The process for automating much of what they do is now fully understood," Parker told me during what has to be one of the strangest, most eye-opening phone calls I've had in months. See, Parker is a professor at Insead, an international business research and educational organization with offices in New York City, Abu Dhabi and Singapore and other groovy, far-flung spots. Part of his research, he told me, is taking a deep, hard look at the role language plays in helping -- or hurting -- economies around the world. "When you go into Barnes & Noble ( BKS) and look for self-help books in English, you see three aisles. But in French, there are almost none," he said. That's not because the French are any less self-obsessed than Americans, or even because you are in a U.S. bookstore. Rather, it's because fewer people speak French -- which makes it tougher for businesses to fill niche categories like francophone self-help. "No publisher can make money selling such small topics," Parker said. So a decade or so ago, Parker began researching and diagramming the thinking behind language, with an eye toward using computers to automate the creation of print, audio and video content and altering those depressing economics. And so far, so good. He's developed several marvelous automatic content tools, including an on-demand weather information translation system used in dozens of languages in Africa and India, as well as a self-writing poetry engine called Toto Poetry. Back in 2007, he was even awarded a patent for the process of creating, producing and marketing audio, video and print material without all the pesky people. And what does this machine-learning brain bug have to say about what passes for financial report writing and scholarship here on Wall Street? "Most of what economists do is very formulaic by nature," he said. "We're getting to the point where we can diagram, program and automate much of it." That's right, friends, the age of the RoboAnalyst is at hand.


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WINTER PARK, Fla.– Women's basketball senior Teresa Manigrasso has been recognized as the Sunshine State Conference Women's Basketball Player of the Week, it was announced Monday afternoon from the conference office.
Manigrasso, a native of Atlantic Highlands, N.J., scored a game-high in points in back-to-back games for the Lions to lead them to a 2-0 week, including a 66-57 road victory over No. 16 Rollins in their SSC opener.
Against the Tars, the senior guard scored a game-high 16 points, while also recording a game-high three assists and four steals. Manigrasso was perfect from the charity stripe going 8-for-8, including a 4-for-4 effort in the final minute of play. The win marked head coach Nikki Jessee's 100th career win.
Earlier in the week, she recorded a game-high 20 points and pulled down seven rebounds, all defensive, in a 75-62 win over Flagler. Manigrasso was 6-for-7 from the free-throw line in the victory.
With the two wins, the Saint Leo squad remains undefeated at 9-0.
Manigrasso and her team will return to play on Friday, December 20 when the Lions travel to Anchorage, Alaska to compete in the AT&T Hoops Classic. Saint Leo is set to play Brevard College at 5:00 p.m.
For more on the women's basketball program, visit SaintLeoLions.com. Also, be sure to 'Like' the Lions on Facebook and 'Follow' Saint Leo Athletics on Twitter and Instagram.


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One Tory MP buttonholed me this morning to ask why the FT this morning carried a story about the donations from the Square Mile to his party. (Donations from financiers and City firms now account for more than half the £22.5m the Conservatives attracted last year.)
"You should hardly be surprised by now that your readers support our party," he observed.
Up to a point, Lord Copper. Yes, the City has always backed the Tories (with a temporary swing away during the peak of New Labour) while the unions are the cornerstone of Labour.
Plus the proportion of City money going to the Tories has actually fallen from 52 per cent in 2009 to 51 per cent last year, if you look closely at the figures in the report by the Bureau of Investigative Journalism.
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A POLICE officer who received a top award for bravery has been dismissed from his job after admitting five counts of fraud.
Adam McLean, 38, was sentenced to a community service order at Bournemouth Crown Court after defrauding a friend in his hometown of Sherborne.
He had met his 52-year-old victim in 2006 when he dealt with an incident in the town while on duty, and they then became friends.
The officer went on to abuse his position, and in 2012 used the victim's bank account to pay off his own personal debts.
In 2008, McLean, of Yeovil, Somerset, received a Chief Constable's Quality of Service Award after witnessing a car collide with a tree and land upside down on its roof.
He rang the emergency services before entering the car through a rear window, where he supported the weight of a seriously injured man and ensured he remained conscious.
At the same time, the then 32-year-old spoke to members of the public at the scene, arranging for them to carry out traffic control and direct the emergency services when they arrived.
But in the spring of last year, the disgraced officer took a total of £970 from his victim's bank account in five separate transactions.
He admitted the charges in April, and on the same day was sentenced to a community service order to carry out 150 hours of unpaid work for each offence to run concurrently.
Following the conviction, he was dismissed from his job.
Superintendent Dave Thorp, of Dorset Police, said: "PC Adam McLean was working in a position of trust. He betrayed that trust and let down his colleagues and the police service.
His arrest, prosecution and subsequent dismissal by Chief Constable Debbie Simpson reinforces the fact that Dorset Police is committed to the highest levels of ethical policing and integrity."


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Last week the weather graced us with the beautiful sunshine and temperatures in the 70s. All this nice weather has been giving me cravings for crisp, fresh food. Falafel sandwiches are refreshing and a perfect fit for lunch on these warmer days. With lettuce, tomatoes and a creamy sauce of either tahini or tzatziki, these garbanzo patties fit right in.
We discovered a way to make this traditional Middle Eastern dish with ease by using our Garbanzo Bean Flour after a request from a customer for falafel. These falafel patties, which are gluten free as well, disappeared fast in the Bob's Red Mill halls. We hope you enjoy them as well!
1 cup Garbanzo Bean Flour
½ tsp Salt
¼ tsp Baking Soda
1 tsp Parsley Flakes
½ tsp Cumin, ground
¼ tsp Coriander, ground
½ tsp Garlic Granules
¼ tsp Onion Powder
2 tsp Lemon Juice
½ cup Hot Water
2 Tb Oil (for frying)
Combine all the dry ingredients in a bowl and blend thoroughly. Add the lemon juice and hot water to the dry ingredients and stir until combined. Let the mixture rest for 10 minutes.
In a frying pan, heat oil on medium-high heat until hot. Add the falafel batter by the tablespoon and flatten slightly. Fry on both sides until golden brown. Place on paper towel to drain oil. Depending on the size of your frying pan, batter will need to be cooked in a couple batches. Makes 12 falafel patties.


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A MARRIED teaching assistant has been cleared of grooming and having sex with a pupil more than 40 years her junior.
Elaine McKay, 58, who worked at the 1,700-pupil Clacton Coastal Academy in Essex, admitted sending a string of explicit photographs to the 15-year-old schoolboy, including provocative images of her sucking a cucumber and posing topless.
But she denied claims that the relationship escalated to the pair having sex, saying that the boy told a lie which got out of control.
Jurors found her not guilty of intentionally touching a boy aged 15 by having full sex with him and inciting a child to engage in sexual activity after just over an hour of deliberation at Chelmsford Crown Court.
Judge Patricia Lynch said she would sentence McKay for sending the pictures next month.
For the full story, see Friday's Gazette.