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Dell DTR Laptop Shootout - M1710 vs. E1705by Jarred Walton on 5/30/2006 1:30 PM EST
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sillyfox - Tuesday, September 08, 2009 - linkThe laptop is rather a good laptop except for short battery life
I would love to order one battery replacement from: DELL Inspiron E1705 Battery http://www.hunt360.net/inspiron-e1705.htm">http://www.hunt360.net/inspiron-e1705.htm Reply
Mday - Tuesday, June 06, 2006 - linkI received my 1705 today. HORRIBLE backlight bleeding from the bottom and left side. Effectively the lower left corner is messed up. There is about a half inch border tapering to both corners on the bottom with the left corner having a similar effect moving up from the bottom.
And backlight bleeding is not at all acceptable even if other models exhibit it. Minor bleeding is tolerable, but the one I received looks really bad. Reply
jonbjerke - Monday, June 05, 2006 - linkI wish this article came out a month ago - I ordered my video card with the x1400. So far I haven't had any video issues - but the most advanced game I play is Civ4. Can you use the regular ATI Catalyst drivers, or do you need to wait for the Dell issued versions?
Is there a FAQ somewhere on the upgrade options for video card/CPU?
Nfarce - Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - linkA month ago I bought a 1705 with coupon codes from Dealcatcher.com and paid about $1350 to the door. Here are the specs:
- 1.83
- x1400
I wish I had waited for this article, because I realize the mistake of not upgrading to a GeForce Go chipset. Memory upgrade to 2GB 667 or a larger 7200 drive and then eBay the spare parts? No problem. However, I thought down the road I could just NewEgg a GeForce upgrade. Apparently, that's not so easy. This laptop is used primarily as a mobile DVD watching/office app/video-pic editing machine. The few games I have loaded are of older engines like Return To Castle Wolfenstein, so I'm not having issues with the x1400 performance whatsoever.
That said, the WUGXA display has issues with reflection (not mentioned in the review). It's like black glass. At night though, especially while on an airplane, watching a movie on such a wuparse resolution is the bomb, especially when others are eyeballing it.
I'm disappointed that the video upgrade is not as easy as expected, but hey, I can always eBay this thing. Besides, as the article mentioned for others, my real gaming systems are desktops. But for portable gaming for those like me who are stuck in hotels on biz trips, these ain't too shabby.
There is no true replacement for desktop power, and IMO, it will be a long time coming before (if) it ever happens. You can only pack so much power in a small package. Portability has it's limitations, as it always has Reply
araczynski - Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - linknice, but even if i was filthy rich i'd still have no use for it in terms of gaming, the only segment i see drooling on this is the one of college students, who typically don't have the luxury of large rooms where they can setup a real desktop solution (7.1 speakers, perhaps a projector, etc). They are also usually eager to get into debt. Reply
hardwareguy - Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - linkI don't really understand why you turned off the sound in some game benchmarks. No one in the real world is going to turn off the sound to get better frame rates. I could understand in a sound card test maybe, but not when you're just looking at a video card or laptop. Reply
RedStar - Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - linkOn the Nvidia site:
you will see that the ramdac is rated the same -- 400MHz NOT 260.
To me that is a serious underclock the same as apple did and got noted for.
Get the latest mobileforce drivers and you can get 366Mhz core optimum.
But with anandtech not even mentioning this and saying there are only 12 pixelpipes..when the reference data would seem to suggest otherwise, i need a definitive answer. I and a whole bunch of others have been trying to get the real deal on this laptop since january :)
What others:
well follow this thread:
(prolly the best place to get info on the i9400/e1705)
As to the person that said gamers who want DTR's is miniscule.... please! :)
Gamers very much do want to switch to laptops --and the latest lappies are starting to make that possible. Why sell gaming DTR versions (with a nice price premium) if there is no market for them? :))
YES DELL has gotten a bad rap for support lately. That's why you buy several years of customer care warranty. You don't have to worry if something goes wrong. Paying for the kind of warranty that used to be free is but a sign of the current times for most companies. Reply
JarredWalton - Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - linkThis laptop has the GeForce Go 7800... *NOT* the GTX version. Big difference right there. The Go 7800 GTX packs more pipelines (24/8 pixel/vertex). Also, reporting RAMDAC speed is totally useless: everyone has 400 MHz RAMDACs these days. RAMDACs are used for converting your digital signal into an analog signal for your monitor. What you really want to know is the core clock speeds and RAM clock speeds.
Dell could have used faster RAM and increased the core clock, but it would have been at the cost of battery life, heat, power requirements, and possibly stability. Whereas NVIDIA's reference chart indicates that the 7800 Go can have 1100 MHz RAM, the E1705 sets the RAM at 658 MHz. The core? NVIDIA reports 400 MHz and 16 pixel pipelines/6 vertex. Dell runs at 250 MHz, which makes it very slow. You can always try overclocking, of course, voltmodding, etc. If you get the core up to 400 MHz, it would be much better for gaming and possibly would make the 7900 GS less necessary. The GPU RAM speed is still going to be a limiting factor. Reply
RedStar - Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - linki know it is the not the gtx version. Which is why i said the go 7800 and not the go 7800gtx :)
from the only stats i could find at the time, i assumed that the go 7800 would be very much like the 7800 GT.
as you can see from the link...the go 7800 is rated at a core of 400 NOT 260!
:) Reply
JarredWalton - Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - linkNVIDIA's rating of 400 MHz does not mean manufacturers have to run it that fast. The thermal spec of a 400 MHz G70 is going to be substantially higher than that of a 250 MHz version. If the laptop capable of handling such a graphics card? Almost certainly, but you would need to upgrade the power brick to the 130 W model if you want to be safe -- the current design already comes close to 90 W peak power draw, and increasing GPU clock speeds by 60% will almost certainly push it over the 90 W mark. Reply
RedStar - Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - link"NVIDIA's rating of 400 MHz does not mean manufacturers have to run it that fast"
Nvidia's rating very much means the mobile part is capable of 400Mhz --anything less is an underclock.
Why on earth would nvidia publish a spec with the expectation that no one would follow it?
Heck, they could just say we have an 1000Mhz mobile core but too bad everyone will make it go 180Mhz.
Since people are running the go 7800 at 390+MHz without a power upgrade, i would have to say you are very much mistaken about the power draw.
But, i would say the primary issue was two fold.
1)Heat output (thermal profile)
2)To differentiate the product enough from Dell's similiar but ultra expensive XPS line
(of the same february time frame)
I, and others, tend to believe dell was concerned more about #2. Reply
JarredWalton - Thursday, June 01, 2006 - linkNVIDIA wants to put the best face on its product. Just because the chip will run at 400 MHz doesn't mean it can do so within the thermal envelope a manufacturer has for a laptop. I've heard people complain about overheating issues with high-end laptops already, so if Dell plays it a bit safe I won't complain too loudly. I'd really like 1000 MHz RAM with a 333 core say over 400 core and 650-700 RAM.
As for protecting the XPS line, the 7900 GS basically fills in the gap. I personally think the GF Go 7800 is going into E1705 because Dell had a bunch of extras from older XPS models. They're downclocking them to reduce power and heat. At 94W measured peak, I would certainly be concerned about long-term usage of a 90W power brick. Unless the 90W rating is conservative, but then why have a 130W for the XPS line?
Anyway, look at the battery life of the 7800 Go compared to the 7900 GTX Go, and then increase the GPU performance by 60%. If you can't have the GPU fall back to the same level (1.1 V and 100 MHz core/658 MHz RAM or something), there are good reasons to not ship a faster GPU. I *still* don't recommend the 7800 Go version, as you would be better with either more battery life (X1400) or better gaming (7900 GS). I just tested what I was sent. Reply
RedStar - Thursday, June 01, 2006 - linkI would agree, the introduction of the 7900GS makes this moot to everyone --except those that bought the i9400 when it first came out and had only the go7800 to choose from (with no reviews yet available --except for the one that said the go 7800 was equal to the ati x1400 [we all then found out why --Dell's 260 core!!]).
The limited possibility of a 7900GS upgrade sounds, at least, hopeful.
:) Reply
Andyvan - Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - linkI bought my wife an E1705 a couple of months ago. She doesn't game, so I went with the MX1400. I also went with the slower disk, hoping that would yield lower heat/noise, and longer battery life. I'm curious as to whether I chose well.
-- Andyvan Reply
JarredWalton - Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - linkThe 7200 RPM HDD kicks power draw up about 2 W when it's active versus sleeping. Really, most laptop parts are already very low power. The X1400 consumes 28W total when idle - most desktops use that much just for the motherboard. The 7200 RPM drives will run slightly warmer than the 5400 RPM models, but they are also about 30% faster in HDD performance. Adding more RAM will often make HDD performance less important, but if you copy files around on the HDD you will definitely notice the difference. Reply
Warder45 - Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - linkWhat about the noise difference in 5400 vs 7200? I've heard that the 7200 HD's can be a lot louder. Reply
Yianaki - Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - linkWhy can't you have a top of the line 7900 GTX and when watching a DVD or the xp desktop doesn't the graphics card go into basically a sleep mode and turn of almost all the memory. HELL why don't they add a crappy additional teeny transistor space to the gpu chip if it is sooo hard to get the power requirements down on the main GPU. That way they can turn off most of the ram and the gpu and just use this additional teeny transistor space to run simple XP desktop functions or while playing DVD's. I mean a simple xp desktop functions can't take up that much die space. I simply don't get it. I mean this is like the nth graphics card from nvidia and yet it still sucks up the power. I have the horrible intel onboard graphics on my laptop and apart from it eating up some of my precious ram I am EXTREMELY happy with it doing regular desktop XP tasks. Sucks ass for gaming of course. I mean how hard is it for nvidia to totally turn off pretty much all of the GPU when just in desktop mode. Is the huge power difference just because of the high performance memory used? There really shouldn't be a penalty for getting top o' the line graphics I believe. Reply
mindless1 - Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - linkFrom the article,
"Why would anyone want to get the X1400 in such a laptop? Obviously, because it uses far less power than even the GeForce Go 7800."
More like, most people are not gamers and of those who are, many will prefer gaming on their desktop. The % of people that will buy a laptop with gaming in mind is miniscule, and that brings up the other puzzling part about so many gaming benchmarks of laptops instead of more useful things like HDD & office productivity. Sure, anything can run office but what about working with giant databases, or wifi range, or most of the parameters that matter to most prospective laptop buyers. Gaming just isn't important at all if it were the same price. Now subtract the price difference and you see why anyone, actually most people do not pay for the gaming GPU inside. Reply
Blahman - Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - linkHardly... notebook sales have surpassed desktop sales recently.
Desktops are on the way out if you ask me. Even if you're a gamer. There are notebooks out there already that have SLI, and the Core Duo architecture is the future of all Intel processors, and it STARTED in notebooks.
Every new notebook generation closes the performance and price gap between desktops and notebooks.
I recently configured and ordered a nice E1705 with the 7900 GS (which I really wish AnandTech had included in the benchmarks, it's more than twice as fast as the 7800 Go) for $1250 (with a $750 coupon code). Skimp on the RAM and go for a $180 aftermarket 2GB PC2-5300 upgrade.
Later on down the road you will be able to upgrade to Merom, and possibly the 7900 GTX or G80M. For now Dell is keeping their spare 7900 GTXs for warranty repairs and aren't currently for sale, but like the last generation with the 7800 GTX, it may be available in the future from Dell Spare Parts.
For tons of more info about these models check out http://www.notebookforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1...">the Dell 17" Notebooks section at notebookforums.com. Reply
ElFenix - Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - linkwho buys a 9 pound notebook with somewhat horrific battery life regardless unless they're gaming? an external display hooked up to a 15" or 14" 6 pound notebook would be far more useful to the user you're describing.
and don't forget that this IS a gaming oriented website. Reply
NullSubroutine - Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - linkIn the article the author mentioned the painfulness of disassembling the laptop system, however I disagree. While not being two thumb screws like on some desktops, after taking apart the laptop (which doesnt void your warrenty, as tell had me disassemble so to take the CD/DVD drive in and out to fix a glitch) after a few times, it becomes a breeze. I can take it apart in less than a minute.
I would have liked to have seen the comparison of the 7900 GS vs the 7800. As a early i9400 buyer, I was plagued with the 7800 (didnt realize it wasnt the 7800 Go GTX until after it was purchased), there is some good info on i think its called notebookforums or something on how to overclock your gpu with some volt mods. I could get 485/965 on 1.3 volt mod, but it gets hot, and accept a 450/960 on 1.2v (default is 1.1) the 130watt psu helps (I highly recommend) and you should prop up your laptop. I use two 'crystal light cup packs' under each backside pad; I actually perfer it propped as it is easier to type with the backside elevated a bit.
Unfortunetely, dell isnt shipping the 7900 Go GTX, otherwise you could drop that video card right into an older shipping model of the i9400. You can always slightly mod your case and put the 7800 Go GTX in there...but I'm personally gonna wait (and save money) to get the 7900 Go GTX later, or get the 8800 Go GTX sometime later this year if it is released (dell will offer it for the m1710 and it will fit right into the i9400). But this is only if I really decide to droop myself low enough to switch to Vista....shutters....I really hate MS for making DX10 Vista only.
Also, Dell said the Memron will work perfectly (needing at most a bios update) with either laptop. Reply
ElFenix - Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - linkand what pipe configuration does it have?
thanks! Reply
JarredWalton - Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - link20 pixel, 7 vertex (I think), 375/1000 clocks are typical. I'm not positive what the Dell model has on clocks, as there is some variation, but it should still be quite a bit faster than the GF Go 7800. I figure the GF Go 7900 GTX adds another 20-30% in performance, however, as it has even higher clocks (500/1200 with 24/8 pipelines). Reply
anandlurker - Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - linkI'm glad that Anandtech include Source DoD for benchmarking, i love this game but when i bought my $300 7800gt just to play this game, the results were mediocre and rather disappointing for this kinda of price. I hope future benchmark from Anandtech include this game, it's a nice simple multiplayer game that seems to render 7800 series useless(pricewise).
JarredWalton - Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - linkThe fastest scores I've seen on DODS top out at around 67 FPS with audio enabled. (Overclocked FX-62 running 3.08 GHz.) The game is very CPU limited, at least with any reasonable GPU. That said, I find 40 FPS to be very playable on this particular title, though lots of people want higher frame rates. Reply
turkster - Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - linkyou dont even need the modified INF drivers, the installed Nvidia drivers that came with my M1710 will allow me fix aspect ratio and set scaling options without any problem.
For those interested my M1710 (T2500 2Ghz, 2GB RAM) with 7900GS graphics card scored 3805 in 3dmark06 straight out of the box with no tweaks or new drivers etc. This seems a quite respectable score and puts it considerably ahead of the 7800go. I havent done any further benchmarks yet but my experience so far shows that it is quite capable of playing FEAR at 1920x1200 4xAA perfectly smoothly, similarly FarCry and HL2. As such it would seems like quite a good option for those who cant quite stomach the rather steep price of 7900GTX. Reply
JarredWalton - Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - linkSo there is an option to do 1:1 scaling - I've removed the paragraph on this. I would have never thought to look in the drivers for this, and it certainly could be placed in a more prominent position. I guess I'm just used to older laptops that did this via BIOS/keyboard shortcuts. (I'm getting old.... LOL) Reply
mrSHEiK124 - Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - linkYou actually can have the laptop scale resolution while preserving aspect ratio, you just need to install nVIDIA's desktop drivers w/the modified INF that allows them to run on mobile parts and then you can use the scaling settings built into the drivers. Reply
ahmshaegar - Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - linkNow I don't know about the Nvidia-based laptops, but I have the Dell Inspiron E1505 (with ATI x1400 Mobility) and to have the aspect resolution preserved when changing resolutions, there's an option in the control panels (both CCC and the old ATI control panels have the option to preserve aspect ratio when changing resolutions.) I'm guessing that it would be the same for Nvidia. Reply
Thor86 - Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - linkSo, instead of reviewing DTRs, which it seems no-one really cares about, how about a review of ultra-portables? Reply
Gary Key - Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - linkJarred will be reviewing these in the near future. Reply
tthiel - Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - linkI've been issued plenty of Dell laptops at the various companies I have worked for and they were all cheap plasticky junk. I've lost track of how many died on me. I was just given a new Thinkpad T43P and it is much better. Very well made, rock solid. So many of the engineers where I work wanted those instead of Dells that they had to restructure the ordering process and images to take care of all the new Thinkpads. Reply
JarredWalton - Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - linkI've heard about problems with ThinkPads now that Lenovo has taken over. (I haven't used any personally, so I can't say for sure.) I have also used many of the older Inspiron models, and have been unimpressed. These are definitely in a different league, however -- the cheap plastic case (at least on top) has been replaced by aluminum, for example. The problem is that most businesses don't buy higher end Dell laptops; they go with the more value oriented offerings, and whenever prices cut you can be sure that quality is cut as well.
We're hoping to expand our mobile coverage in the future, so this is merely the beginning. As time goes on, we'll have more products that we can directly compare new offerings with. For now, I'm generally impressed with what the E1705 offers. Impressed enough that I recommended one to a family member, after browsing around looking for a suitable equivalent. Getting a large laptop with a 17 inch (or larger) display, 1920x1200 resolution, dual core processor, etc. is pretty difficult right now. Getting one with 2 GB of RAM for $2300 is even more difficult. Not everyone wants a laptop this large, certainly, but for those that do the E1705 is quite good. Reply
jenson - Monday, January 07, 2013 - linkwhen cheap laptops really got a good shake, with many models looking and behaving a lot more like their costly cousins than in the past. Reply


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LSU arrived by charter flight around mid-day, then went straight practice. The change in venue meant the end of the familiarity and solitude of on-campus work and the start of bowl week festivities.
With the game scheduled for Monday night, Wednesday was the equivalent of a Monday practice for a Saturday game.
This is LSU's first return to a game-week routine since the Tigers played their regular-season finale at Arkansas on Nov. 23. Since LSU returned to practice Dec. 13, it's been grinding through practices without a game-week focus.
"Finally," LSU defensive end Sam Montgomery said Wednesday night. "Usually we'll go Tuesday, Tuesday, Tuesday, Tuesday. It's pound, pound, pound. It's crazy. Finally it's a great old-fashioned Monday."
The end of the monotony and return of a normal game-week rhythm was welcomed, but this week won't otherwise be normal.
Several days of off-the-field festivities began as each team had a welcome party at Dave and Buster's restaurant and arcade.
Coach Les Miles and the players will visit the Scottish Rite Children's Hospital in Thursday morning, followed by an afternoon practice. The team's day will conclude with a trip to a go-kart track.
"There are going to be a lot of distractions that can get you out of focus," linebacker Kevin Minter said. "It's just something we have to get through. This is a tough Clemson team. We need to be focused.
"There's stuff that just comes with being at a bowl game. There's cameras, people wanting to see you and talk to you. It's a big commotion, but you've got to be able to see through that and keep your eye on the prize."
Miles said the Tigers emphasized passing the ball in their on-campus practices, not only to sharpen that aspect of their offense but also to push the pass defense, which gave up more than 300 yards in each of the last three regular-season games.
"We threw the ball effectively and wanted to have an effect on our secondary, and I felt like it happened that way," Miles said. "We kind of focused on a couple of key pieces that we needed to have improvement on and felt like improvement was made. We have a good, quality game week here, so we feel like that improvement will continue."
Clemson, which arrived Tuesday evening, will follow an itinerary similar to LSU's.
"Our focus has got to be 10 times better (than it was on campus)," running back Andre Ellington said. "We've got to eliminate the distractions. And the time that we have out there to practice, we've got to focus on that, and the time we've got to play, we go play and just have that mindset."
Ellington said his team focused on "toughness and physicality" during on-campus preparation for LSU.
"You have to have that physicality when you play in a game like this," he said. "It's going to come down to four quarters and who wants it more at the end."
Both teams broke from practice for a few days so the players could spend Christmas with their families.
Clemson tight end Brandon Ford said coach Dabo Swinney's Christmas message to the team was to have its mind on football as soon as it arrived in Atlanta.
"You don't want to have a week or two of preparation and then let guys go and they lose focus," Ford said. "You want to take some time off to rest up and get down here and get back to work. Guys have done a great job of keeping their heads in it and understanding we play a game in less than five days."
Both teams installed most of their game plans before leaving home.
"When you get to the bowl site, it's pretty much polishing the stuff you've been putting in and polishing the stuff you've been working on since you've been in school," Clemson safety Rashard Hall said. "The maturity of your team is just going to take over from that standpoint.
"Your maturity kicks in and your ability to have fun at fun times and be focused when it's time for business."
LSU held eight bowl practices in baton Rouge and will have four in Atlanta.
"In some instances, our bowl season is, by the number of practices, maybe even a little longer than our spring practice," Miles said. "These extra bowl practices give us a chance to look at some of our younger players and improve and develop depth on the football team. I think bowl practices are a real benefit to your team as it allows individuals the chance for continued development while also preparing for an opponent."
LSU junior quarterback Zach Mettenberger said he will return to the Tigers for his senior season. Mettenberger wasn't one of the underclassmen expected to seriously consider entering the NFL draft, but he made his most definitive statement Wednesday night. "I don't know too many teams that would want to draft a guy who threw for 2,400 yards and 11 touchdowns," he said. "I'm definitely coming back for my senior year." …LSU defensive end Lavar Edwards said he has accepted an invitation to play in the Senior Bowl, which is a significant opportunity for a player who emerged from the shadows to be a key player as a senior. "I had been hoping since the end of the season to get a chance to play in the Senior Bowl," said Edwards, who has started six games and made a career-high 4.5 sacks this season. "I always thought I could compete in a situation like that. I'm going to work as hard as I can to make the best of that opportunity."
Advocate sportswriter Scott Rabalais contributed to this report.


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OTTAWA -- Somewhere out there, nearly 600,000 people are wondering if their identities might be at risk.
In one of the biggest -- if not the biggest -- breaches of personal privacy the federal government has ever experienced, the personal information of 583,000 former clients of the Canada Student Loan program has been lost. About 18,000 of them currently live in Manitoba.
The names, birthdates, addresses, social insurance numbers and loan amounts of all loan recipients outside of Quebec between 2000 and 2006 were on a portable hard drive that a government employee had stuck in a filing cabinet.
On Nov. 5, that employee noticed the hard drive wasn't there anymore but didn't tell management at Human Resources and Skills Development Canada about it for two weeks.
And that was only because HRSDC was forced to conduct an internal review after another privacy breach was discovered -- that one was the loss of a USB stick with the same information about 5,000 applicants for disability pensions.
Now, all of this begs an obvious question or two or 80.
Why, in the name of all things logical, is such information even being stored on portable, easily stolen or lost devices? If that is the only way to back up the information, why are these devices not stored somewhere that makes stealing them or losing them a lot harder than it apparently was?
And why, if the government was aware of what was on the hard drive in early December, did it not take any steps to inform the people affected until Jan. 11? And even then, it was done in a press release on a Friday afternoon. Most of the people the Free Press spoke to about it last week found out about it on Facebook from friends.
Human Resources Minister Diane Finley hasn't answered any questions in person about the issue, only released a written statement. In it, she says the right things: She's outraged and this is unacceptable and she's called in the Mounties and heads will roll if it happens again. And if that's not enough, she says, she is reassuring Canadians the government is serious about protecting their personal information.
That's cold comfort to the 583,000 current and former students who will likely spend the next several years worrying whether their information is in the wrong hands.
And what about the other gazillion federal government departments? Are they all making sure they don't have personal data on easily misplaced or stolen portable devices?
Especially since it's not like this is the first time something like this has happened. Last fall, Elections Ontario had to admit it lost two memory sticks containing information about 2.4 million voters. On Friday, a major hospital in Ottawa had to admit it lost a USB stick containing health information on as many as 25,000 patients.
It used to be we'd hear about some government or hospital accidentally tossing patient records or government files into a Dumpster. Now, with the introduction of portable memory devices that can hold thousands -- if not millions -- of names and other data, a government can lose your private information far more easily.
It's likely only a matter of hours before another government somewhere has to admit it too, has messed up.
Sure, it's true the hard drive might have been taken by someone who just wanted a new hard drive. The memory stick may be under piles of garbage in a landfill, unwittingly tossed.
But the risk the information gets into the wrong hands is there, and it's unacceptable.
Governments know how bad it is, yet it seems nothing is done until they themselves lose your information.
HRSDC started to address the issue last spring, when it decided to stop producing SIN cards and advised Canadians who have one not to carry it around in their wallet. But yet it still stored 583,000 of those numbers on a device that easily disappeared.
Getting a hold of someone's social insurance number is the main step to stealing their identity. With someone's SIN, name and date of birth, you could easily get credit cards, bank accounts, loans etc. in their name. If you're savvy enough, you might even be able to drum up a birth certificate, which then opens the door to getting a driver's licence and even a passport.
In short, it's the big whammy of the identity-theft world.
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KINGSLAND, Ga. - A 31-year-old Kingsland man was convicted Friday of murder in connection with the 2008 killing of a woman at a Ramada Inn.
Amos Southall was also found guilty of aggravated assault, possession of a controlled substance and distribution of a controlled substance. A sentencing hearing is expected sometime early next year.
Southall underwent a week-long trial for the Feb. 26, 2008, death of Michelle Hainley. An autopsy revealed the cause of death to be multiple injuries, including blunt force trauma.
Investigators said they began looking at Southall as the primary suspect and learned he had fled the area, possibly going to the area of southern Florida. The case was referred to the U.S. Marshals Southeast Regional Fugitive Task Force to help find Southall, who was arrested May 2, 2008.
"This was a complex case that had a significant amount and wide range of evidence, including DNA, cellphone records and witness testimony," Kingsland Police Chief Darryl Griffis said in a news release.
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Have you ever been in love with a skirt. Not just "I think it's cool," but a full on "I would marry it if I could" love. I think I just might have found that with this beautiful eShakti maxi skirt from their spring collection.
OK…I don't physically love this skirt, but I do admire it's beauty. In a gorgeous, almost chevron-like print, this cobalt and white maxi skirt has my attention. It's perfect for the beach. I will admit this skirt has been a part of my life for a few months now. But, little did I know the sizing runs small. I requested my size a 16 and it was too small. I had to have it altered. But, I think it was meant to happen that way.
Because I had it altered (adding two additional inches by the way), I was able to save it for my trip to Miami. Sadly this skirt is not available on their site, BUT they do have an amazing skirt section. Make sure you check out their sizing info, like I didn't. The quality is amazing, there is a white slip attached underneath too. That's always a plus.
Below, you'll see me in this eShakti maxi skirt, neon yellow Forever 21+ tank, and Shop Jami bracelet on my stunning patio. Yes, I'm still here in Miami, but I just had to share this outfit with you. Ugh…I don't want to go home yet!
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DETROIT - The father of 17-year-old Jonathan Hoffman, the teenager who was murdered by his grandmother Sandra Layne, told Local 4 Wednesday we had no regrets about the kind of father he was.
Michael Hoffman said, "Jonathan was a wonderful son and would have made a wonderful man."
During the interview Hoffman opened up to Local 4's Roger Weber on several topics including why he allowed his son to move to Michigan and why he was not happy his son moved in with Sandra Layne.
Hoffman's interview can be seen Wednesday on Local 4 News at 6.
WATCH: Michael Hoffman: 'We relied upon family and this was the result'
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OTTAWA -- When Winnipeg South Conservative MP Rod Bruinooge flew back to the city from Ottawa earlier this month, he figured he'd have an easy drive to his constituency.
It was a Thursday morning before the lunch hour and the weather was clear.
But as he made his way south along Route 90, he came to a dead stop.
"The traffic was backed up as if it were rush hour."
And Bruinooge says this is before the big blue traffic creator known as IKEA opens its doors, or the snazzy new stadium starts pulling Winnipeg football fans into the south end of the city. It is also before most of the 30,000 homes in Waverley West are even built.
"In my opinion, we do not have the infrastructure to support this growth," Bruinooge said.
He said the pressure to fix the problems will grow as people from all over the city start heading to the south end to shop and watch football. Before now, most people who drove to the south end did so because they lived there, said Bruinooge.
He said fixing the traffic-flow woes in south Winnipeg will need three things: an underpass at the Waverley Street rail crossing near Taylor Boulevard, extending the bus rapid transit system to the University of Manitoba and widening Kenaston Boulevard north of Taylor.
Bruinooge said the transit extension will take time to work out and the Kenaston widening is in limbo until the Treaty One challenge over the former Kapyong Barracks land is worked out.
The Waverley underpass, to end the bottlenecks caused when trains barrel through several times a day, is the most feasible to do now. A few years ago, the cost estimate was about $70 million. The recent Plessis Road underpass project was $77 million.
But finding that money isn't a simple exercise.
Canada's big-city mayors were in Ottawa last week, begging for more from the federal government.
They convened in the nation's capital seeking a commitment from the federal government for another $2.5 billion a year for municipal infrastructure. It would bring total federal spending on municipal infrastructure to $5.75 billion a year.
If matched by the provinces and the cities, as would be required, that means at least $17.25 billion a year to renew and create new roads, bridges and other municipal infrastructure.
In many ways, it couldn't have been a worse week for the mayors to make their pitch.
Last Monday, Finance Minister Jim Flaherty delivered his fall economic update with bad news.
It will take at least another four years, until 2016, for Ottawa to balance its budget again. The deficit for the current year is going to be $5 billion more than forecast, and over the next four years it will be more than $20 billion more than Flaherty forecast.
So it wasn't likely any request for a big, new chunk of change from Ottawa was going to be met with anything but incredulity and a big, fat 'I don't think so.'
But Bruinooge is undeterred.
Transport Minister Denis Lebel is in the midst of working on the next federal infrastructure program. The current program doesn't expire until 2014, but its funds are all committed. However, Lebel is hoping to have a new program worked out by the end of next year so the new funds can start flowing to projects early in 2014. The last of the money aimed for Winnipeg went into the convention centre expansion ($180 million) and the Plessis Road underpass.
The Kenaston underpass was part of a federal infrastructure agreement in 2005.
Bruinooge is putting on pressure for the Waverley underpass to be part of the next one.
Katz said he has sat in that traffic snarl and knows how frustrating and harmful it is, but he said it's up to city bureaucrats to identify the priority list of infrastructure projects.
The province, which has jointly funded a study on the project with the city, puts the onus on the city to identify the underpass as a priority while cautioning repairs to the 80 bridges and more than 200 roads damaged in the 2011 flood are the province's infrastructure priority.
If Bruinooge has his way, the crush of Winnipeggers expected to descend on the new IKEA store in a few weeks will help drive the push for improved traffic flow in south Winnipeg, and a Waverley underpass will move to the top of the list.


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Do you happen to know where Robert & Dorcus' other dau Margaret is?
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I live in Abbeville County, SC. I have been to the Trinity Episcopal Church Cemetery. One of the curators of the church told an interesting story about Hanley. Have you heard the story?
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I am researching John Laurens North and see that the information from the marker/text shows he died in 1817.
I have a copy of his will leaving all his worldly goods to Eliza Elliott North, his wife. This is recorded in Will Book B, Page 255 and recorded on 24 March 1848, State of South Carolina.
Do you have your original photos and could there be a miss read on the death date? If not, I don't think that John Laurens was my guy. But he was married to the same Eliza Elliott North I have a great deal of info on.
If you can check, I would appreciate it.
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FYI cincerning your correct listing - 14778902
Ref your memorial for Robert Anderson, Sr (Find A Grave Memorial# 63948562)
Thank you for linking Maria to your Robert Anderson
Martin, You are absolutely right, Maria Anderson (the mother of Dr. John Anderson) is already linked to another Robert Anderson. This listing (47576155) is a duplication from 2010 of a 2006 memorial (14778902). They have different listings as to spouses.
There are 60 different family trees for Dr. John Anderson (1820-1886, Memorial# 26958380) on ancestry but I refer you to the best sourced one.
Most if not all of the trees confirm this one.
Gen Robert 14778902 grandfather of John
Duplicate and erroneous listing of grandfather of John 47576155
Robert 63948562 (your memorial) father of John and son of Gen Robert
Mother of John 60061475 Wife of father not grandfather
It would be impossible for Maria to be the mother of John and the spouse of the erroneous listing of grandfather of John 47576155 since the grandfather died before John was born.
It is all rather confusing with the 2 Roberts (or 3 if we count the erroneous duplicate), but I have researched it back and forth and this is the conclusion I have come to. However we should all keep an open mind and if I and others are mistaken we should be corrected.
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Hi all,
If I want to store and retrieve the following data in a database, what is the optimal way to do so--I am asking specifically for the "Fruits_you_like" column?
Fruits_you_like will consist of 30 different fruits. Would it be best to have one column for each fruit and use boolean 1/0 like this:
Name, Phone_Number, Email_Address, Apples, Oranges, Pears, Cherries, Strawberries
Or would it be better to only have four columns (Name, Phone_Number, Email_Address, Fruits_you_like)? If it is best to use only four columns, what should the Fruits_you_like column be? An array? Multi-dimensional array?
Neither. This is a one to many relationship (one person can have many favourite fruits), so you'll need another table, let's call it fruits_you_like.
The database will become:
users: ID (primary key), Name, Phone_Number, Email_Address
fruits_you_like: userID (foreign key), fruit
That way, you can always add new fruits to the list. And you can even do searches like "all users that like apples" easily.
Thanks Guido! That makes sense. Now I understand why WordPress tags are like that in the WP database.
I just have a couple of questions, though. If you have over a million users with each user having at least 5 favorite fruits, then that additional table (fruits_you_like) is going to have well over 5 million rows. If this is the case, will I have to do some kind of additional database optimization due to the high number of records (if 5 million records isn't considered that high, how many records would be considered high enough that we would have to start doing some other kinds of optimizations, and what optimizations would we have to do?)?
My other question is, let's say that in the users table there is another column--"country". Would it be best to simply put the whole country's name here (e.g. Australia, Benin, Chile, Denmark, etc.) or a number for each country, tying that to a new table:
users: ID (primary key), Name, Phone_Number, Email_Address, country_idfruits_you_like: userID (foreign key), fruitcountries: ID (primary key), country_name, country_id
If it is better to make a new "countries" table, should there be any ties within the actual database, or will the only ties be made in the PHP code?
This word (partition) slipped my mind when I wrote the above post, but would partitioning come into play in my example of over 5 million records in a table?
Edit: OK, it seems that for a table of only 5 million records, I won't need to partition (like [this 100 million record table, or [URL="http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/showthread.php?705726-Wordpress-Database-too-big&p=4787558&viewfull=1#post4787558"]5 billion rows](http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/showthread.php?617947-How-to-optimize-a-100-million-record-table)), but I am trying to make sure that I plan and design my database correctly so that I don't run into any kind of problems in the future that I could have easily avoided with a solid game plan.
Any advice?
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countries: ID (primary key), country_name, country_id
How many countries are there that have the same name???None that I know of.So country_name, or just country to reduce typing, is totally unique.So why force the need for a join to get at the data??? AND why have an ID and a country_id??? Both of which would also be unique I'd guess.
Really you are just creating a look-up table, something which is used to populate a drop-down list in a data entry form to get consistent spelling. (I'm assuming that your users will be entering data using a form on your site.) So your table called country then has only one attribute/field in it, called country.There is no need what so ever to invent two other unique attributes to describe / identify something that is already unique by itself.
And of course the same applies if you use a look-up table of fruits you know about to populate a data entry form for the user to use. (although you could also let users suggest a new fruit to be added to the fruit table if they can't find their favourite one in the drop-down list, say for example a Durian, or Ugli, or Dragon Fruit, or Black Sapote, or Canistel, or Jaboticaba to name a few that aren't an Apple (watch out for rounded corners) or an Orange.)
Silly me! I forgot there's no point in having country_id since there's already ID!
The reason I was thinking I should make a separate table for country and then put the relevant ID in the users table is because I thought it would be better for the database; instead of having 5 million instances of country names entirely spelled out in the users table, there would be 5 million instances 1-3 digits that represent the respective country. Less redundancy. I had thought this was less strain on the database, but it looks like I'm wrong about that, and that there is actually no need to make a separate table for the list of countries?
Well, how about in the following situation. Let's say you are using this list--specifically the columns: zip_code, city, state. In this case, would it be best to have my database set up as follows:
users: ID (primary key), Name, Phone_Number, Email_Address, zip_code (foreign key)fruits_you_like: userID (foreign key), fruitzip_code: ID (primary key), zip_code, city, state
I say this because although there are many cities with the exact same name, according to the zip code list I linked above, there is a unique zip code for each city (and multiple zip codes for some cities).
So during registration, users would be required to give their name, phone number, email address, zip code, and favorite fruit. Then someone could easily search on the site for all users in Omaha that like Jackfruit because I already have Omaha in the zip_code table tied up with its respective zip code and state.
Or am I complicating things, going about it the wrong way, or otherwise missing out on something?
Fruit is an attribute of the user (the one fruit they like most, on my reading of this).so it should be in the user table.
The fruit table should be used for look-ups by populating a drop-down list, and as fruit names are unique, you should be using the fruit as the primary key in this table - ie a one column table. Then populate the drop-down for a data entry form via the fruit table. This leads to simpler queries and no need for a join.
Imagine the question what's your favorite fruit?Is the answer 123 or Jaboticaba?
If you use a numeric id for a fruit which has a unique name, you have to join two tables together to get at the fruit. In your suggested fruit table above, you would have to join on the userID, instead of simply reading it from the user table. Also, having a table with multiple instances or orange is no more redundant that having multiple instances of fruitID 123. But adding the id to the fruit table creates redundant, unnecessary data in the table. You're worrying about the physical size of the table when disk space is sooo cheap it isn't an issue.
You asked if you were missing something - you are over-normalising the user table by pulling out the fruit and then needing to use userid/fruit to identify it, and it seems under the impression that every table needs a numeric id. For example, in your zip code table, every zip code is unique, but you have added a numeric id, thus forcing a join to get at the actual zip code.
So then you have the question what's your zipcode (in the uk it's a post code)?Is it 12345, an id that you have invented and then have to do a join and use to get at the code itself??? And could confuse with a real zipcode. Or is it 00501? So if the zip code was the primary key in it's own table and the foreign key in the user table, you don't need a join to be able to report the user's zipcode. So queries become simpler, and easier to troubleshoot.
so I'd use this set of tables
users: ID (primary key), Name, Phone_Number, Email_Address, zip_code (foreign key), fruit (foreign key)fruits_you_like: fruit (primary key)zip_code: zip_code (primary key) , city, state
sadly, a misapprehension that is rather common
nice post, dr john :award:
Thanks Dr John!
I had no idea that you didn't need a separate ID for each table, but that makes perfect sense now. But does it matter what type the primary column is (e.g. VARCHAR, FLOAT, or even BLOB) just as long as the contents are unique (i.e. not BOOL)?
Should the zip_code column be VARCHAR(5) because of zip codes that begin with 0 (e.g. 00501) as INT is removing the initial zeros?
Sorry, in my last post I missed the 's' in fruit. So during registration, users would be required to give their name, phone number, email address, zip code, and favorite fruits (between 1 to 5 of them). As such, would the tables be:
users: ID (primary key), Name, Phone_Number, Email_Address, zip_code (foreign key), fruit (foreign key)fruits_you_like: userID (foreign key), fruitzip_code: zip_code (primary key) , city, state
Zip codes are not really numbers - does adding two of them together make sense? Subtracting them? These are not meaningful operations on a zip code, so varchar is correct. It's the same with telephone numbers.Also setting them as varchar means they leading 0s will not get dropped.
Once you say five fav. fruits, your fruits_you_like table now makes sense. But calling it just fruitliked would be simpler and less liable to typos in your queries. Also queries on the fruit are now very very much easier than having fruit1,fruit2, fruit3 etc to check.
I'd STILL have a table called fruit to feed the data entry form and to remove typos when spelling they fav fruit.user--<fruitliked>--fruit , if you know what that means.
PS I would not use a blob as a PK... but varchar and numbers are okay. Not Float, as they are not defined accurately (conversion of decimal numbers to binaries is not always possible, same way that 1/7 doesn't convert to decimals)
Thanks Dr John! You have been very helpful.


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There is a South African Navy training base in Saldanha Bay.
So here we are, on a sunny day, having lunch at the Slipway Waterfront Restaurant down by the docks in Saldanha, a West Coast fishing village with attitude.
The dress code simply reads 'No overalls', but you can see the clientele is quite upmarket, and dressed in bright yacht gear. Why not? Their magnificent ocean-going chariots are all parked nearby, within sight.
Today we're having a lunchtime medley of cold beer, white wine, snoek, calamari and garlic mussels, while nostalgic 1970s music wafts out from the bar area.
After lunch, we go nowhere. The most active thing we do is sit back and have staring competitions with the beady-eyed seagulls perched on the railing. That's Saldanha for you: slow-paced, nautical and simply delicious.
Saldanha is part of the 'Magnificent Seven' villages that make up the West Coast Peninsula, alongside Langebaan, Vredenburg, Jacobsbaai, St Helena Bay, Hopefield and Paternoster. The area is awash with great restaurants, many of them alfresco affairs on the beach, offering freshly caught seafood and unbeatable ambience.
Humans have been enjoying the bounty of the Benguela Current around here since the ancient days of the Strandlopers (beach walkers) nearly 120 000 years ago.
The town was mistakenly named after a Portuguese seaman who discovered Table Bay but never actually came to these parts himself: Admiral Antonio de Saldanha.
The area was always highly valued, but for different resources at different times. The Dutch used to take penguin eggs, while guano hunters stripped the islands around the entrance to the bay. Even the Americans arrived here, in the form of the Confederate fighting ship called The Alabama – and until today we even have a song for this momentous occasion.
In the past few decades, Saldanha has been discovered by local and international travellers who like a bright sunny day, a fresh plate of oysters, a choice of long white beaches, the colourful evening chatter of fishermen coming in from a day's work in the Atlantic, and the slow pace of South Africa's legendary West Coast.
And even though the serious business of Saldanha is fishing, there is always time for a regatta. For those who like to fish, hike, bike and sail the high seas, Saldanha awaits.
Travel tips & Planning info
Who to contact
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How to get here
Drive the scenic West Coast R27 road north for approx. 140km from Cape Town and you get to Saldanha.
Best time to visit
Any time of year is good in Saldanha.
Around the area
Visit the other six towns on the West Coast Peninsula or take a boat trip from the harbour.
Tours to do
The listed West Coast Peninsula website offers a number of tour contacts for the area.
Get around
It's best to hire a car in Cape Town – your mobility is assured.
Length of stay
Set aside three days for your trip to the West Coast Peninsula.
Where to stay
Check the listed Saldanha and West Coast Peninsula websites for the many accommodation options in the area.
What to eat
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What's happening
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Kids today…they're all artists.
I've helped coordinate MOPA's Annual Youth Exhibition for the past few years, but I also teach photography to some of the students who submit. I usually work with fourth graders (for you non-parents and non-teachers that equals 9 or 10 years old).
Over the weekend, I was sitting outside my regular coffee spot and ran into someone who also teachers art, but to college students. Somehow the topic came up about how kids today have access to all sorts of technology and networking. Our conversation did two things for me. First, it made me feel super old. Second, it reminded me of how intuitive these resources are for my students. I'm always impressed by the ease that my students handle digital cameras, but also by their creativity and how they connect that creativity with the things they see and do everyday.
If you know a student in grade K-12 who has that creative intuition, encourage them to submit to MOPA's 7th Annual Youth Exhibition, Photo|Synthesis. Read more about it here.


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ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. – The Saint Leo men's basketball team came up just short on the road as Eckerd College bested the Lions with a 56-55 decision in Sunshine State Conference action at the McArthur Center on Wednesday night.
Baskets came at a premium in the early going as both teams bruised their way to multiple charging calls and struggled to find an offensive rhythm. A three pointer by Eckerd's Woody Taylor tied the game at 11 with 7:54 left in the first half.
The Lions tied the game for the fourth time with 3:48 before the break, but Wayne Sears Jr.'s high-arcing three to beat the horn gave EC the momentum with a 27-21 lead at halftime.
The six-point halftime edge disappeared following a 6-0 run by Saint Leo (8-8, 2-4 SSC) to begin the second half. The Tritons answered with a 7-0 run of their own, but the Lions lingered in striking distance, trailing by single digits until late.
Trent Thomas completed the Lions rally by draining a three from the right wing, but a turnover on the Lions' next possession allowed for an Eckerd (11-4, 4-2 SSC) layup.
After a Triton trey put Eckerd ahead again by two, Thomas drilled another long shot under duress with 1:25 remaining.
Eckerd countered just 21 seconds later with Lance Kearse fighting his way through traffic to muscle up a layup plus the foul.
Saint Leo's Shaun Adams was fouled with 41 ticks on the clock and went to the charity stripe with a chance to tie. He missed the back end of his two tries and the Tritons exhausted precious time on the game clock as Saint Leo refused to foul.
The Lions' defense forced Eckerd into a tough look with the shot clock expiring and Marcus Ruh raced up the sideline with time to spare. The desperation heave from Ruh was well short as he fired off balance from the right wing as the clock hit all zeros.
Saint Leo was led by Thomas, who dropped in 18 points on 7-of-13 shooting, as he added three 3-pointers. Adams and Ruh joined the group of Saint Leo double-digit performers as both scored 10 points.
Keep up with their road travels, the Lions will head to South Florida and square off with the Nova Southeastern Sharks on Saturday afternoon. Tip-off is scheduled for 4 p.m. at the Don Taft Arena at the University Center in Ft. Lauderdale, Fla. For the latest news, information, and updates on Lions Basketball and all other Saint Leo Athletics, visit SaintLeoLions.com.


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The definition of lake ice-out varies from lake to lake, and individual
to individual. For some, ice-out occurs only when the lake is completely
free of ice. For others, ice-out is defined as the moment when navigation
is possible from point A to point B. And yet for others, ice-out is when
90 percent of the lake is ice free. Due to the variable definitions of
this rather subjective observation, the State Climatology Office attempts
to contact the same individuals each year to maintain a consistent record.
The table below will depict the information obtained by this informal poll
in the year 2001.
Historical averages and extremes
have been calculated for lakes in highlighted in green.
Return to the Minnesota Climatology Working Group Main Page
URL: http://climate.umn.edu/doc/ice_out/ice_out_status_01.htm
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As a kid I have very fond memories of my grandma's house being full of Christmas cookies. I think she would start baking around Thanksgiving to ensure she had tons of cookies to feed all of us. My favorite cookies that she made were volcanoes and I have never found another recipe like them. They are almost like mini pecan pies but with walnuts and cherries in the middle for the "lava." When my family first went dairy free and then gluten free, these cookies were put on the back burner. When Bob's Red Mill asked me to work on holiday cookies for their blog I knew I wanted to work on my cherished cookies. The result is great and I am thrilled to be able to share my favorite cookie with my kids!
What you need:
- ½ cup Butter Substitute
- 3 oz. Dairy Free Cream Cheese
- 1 cup Bob's Red Mill Gluten Free All Purpose Flour
- ¾ cup Walnuts, chopped fine
- 1 Egg
- 1 cup Brown Sugar
- 1 tsp Vanilla
- 24 Bob's Red Mill Dried Tart Cherries
- Cherry Juice or Water
Cut the butter substitute and dairy free cream cheese into the flour until it is evenly combined. (Think pie dough not cookie dough, for the texture.) Form into a ball, cover and chill for at least one hour. While the dough is chilling place the dried cherries in either hot cherry juice or hot water to soak. To make the filling combine the finely chopped walnuts, egg, brown sugar and vanilla together in a bowl. Remove the chilled dough from the fridge and roll into 24 balls. Place each ball into a mini muffin tin and press into a bowl shape to the top of the muffin tin. You do not want the "crust" to be thin or they will break when you take them out of the pan. Place a small amount of the filling into each mini muffin tin. You want just enough filling to reach the top of the mini muffin tin because if the filling over flows the tin it will be hard to get the cookie out. Place one soaked cherry in the middle of each cookie for the "lava" and place into the oven. Bake at 375° for 20 minutes. Let cool in muffin tin before removing using a butter knife to run around the edge. Store in an air tight container or freeze for longer storage.
Yield: 2 dozen cookies
Rebecca is the single mother to two wonderful boys and author of Going Free: Helping you move to a gluten and dairy free life! She and her two boys live a gluten, dairy and food coloring free life. Rebecca is always looking for easier ways to do things. When she first learned that we had to eliminate these foods, she did some research and cleaned out the cabinets and we hasn't looked back. Sure there are days that she misses the convince of eating foods full of gluten but knows that in the long run they are all healthier for it. Find more articles and recipes from her at Going Free.


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The new eBooks Authoring page on Adobe.com provide detailed how-to guides and video tutorials on creating eBooks with InDesign.
InDesign is an excellent way to author eBooks compatible with a variety of devices — from PCs and smartphones to dedicated eReading devices like the Amazon Kindle, Barnes & Noble nook, and Sony Reader. Take a look at these how-to guides and video tutorials to learn how to create eBooks in InDesign and output them for viewing across screen types. Again, here's the eBook authoring link.
In addition, InDesign Magazine made available part 1 of Gabriel Powell's excellent article on using InDesign to create eBooks.


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New Zealand Man Jailed For Watching Too Much Elf Porn
New Zealand man Ronald Clark was sentenced to three months in jail for possession of pornography featuring cartoon fantasy creatures having sex. Clark, who was previously convicted of assaulting a teenage boy, claimed that the salacious materials were of "pixies and trolls" that "you knew at a glance weren't human." However, the cartoon characters in the porn were young elves and pixies, which led to concerns from an anti-child pornography group that the images were linked to child sexual abuse. As philosophy professor Grant Tavinor put it:
"The worry is that viewing or distributing such images could support the sexual exploitation of children even if the production of the images did not actually involve the exploitation of any children. It's not enough that no one was harmed in the making of the videos, the law takes a protective role and says there are some things we just don't want circulating in society …The ways a person entertains [himself] is not morally negligible. But for the purposes of law it is probably important to distinguish between these because convicting someone for their moral views is very dangerous."
What do you think? Should it be illegal to watch certain kinds of porn or is that taking it too far? [Stuff]


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Season 8: Episode 143: The AbstinenceWhen a girlfriend's mononucleosis requires them to forgo sex, George discovers that his intellect is on the rise. And while happy to be dating a doctor, Elaine is surprised to learn that he hasn't passed his licensing exams. Then, after his agent books him at a junior high school career day, Jerry is bumped by a speaker from the zoo. Invited back to try again, his talk is then interrupted by a fire drill. Meanwhile, Kramer opens a smoking lounge in his apartment.
When a restaurant patron needs emergency medical attention, Ben proves to be of no help at all. So, to help him pass his exam, Elaine suggests giving up sex, only to find that, for her, celibacy has exactly the opposite affect as it does on George. Meanwhile, when Katie books Jerry for two hours at the junior high, George offers to help dazzle the students with a display of his amazing intellect. And when the diagnosis proves to be wrong, he also resumes relations with the sex-starved Louise.
As Kramer begins suffering the ill-effects of tobacco smoke, lawyer Jackie Chiles prepares to launch a big liability lawsuit. However, while Jackie hopes to use his client's wizened face to bolster their case, Kramer settles for an offer to model in the tobacco company's new ad campaign. Meanwhile, as Elaine looks for sex in order to clear her head, Ben passes his exam and decides to find someone better. And when sex with Louise renders George helpless, he costs Jerry an appearance on a popular TV show.


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My wife (54) and I (61) are public servants with a combined gross income of $180,000. We own our home and also have two investment properties valued at $280,000 and $300,000. Our mortgage is $430,000. I also have shares worth $50,000. I will get super of $450,000 when I retire and my wife will get a similar amount in four years. We are salary sacrificing $25,000 each and receive $20,000 a year from rent.
Someone has suggested selling the houses and putting the amount in super, and then when we retire to convert it into allocated pension.
If we keep the investment property what benefits will we get from Centrelink? Or is it better to sell the property and pay the mortgage and put the rest into super?
This is not an easy decision because there may be capital gains tax and transaction costs on the sale of the properties, and the returns you get inside super may not be as good as you would get if you kept the properties. Your equity in the properties will be assessed under the assets test and the profit from them shown on your tax return will be used for the income test. If you sell the properties and put the proceeds into super, the value of it will be assessed for the assets test and the income stream will be adjusted according to a formula that takes into account your life expectancy. Your adviser will be able to do the sums for you.
My wife and I are in our early 40s, have no children, and our combined annual salaries are $185,000. We each have $100,000 in super but do not make any additional contributions. We owe $390,000 on our home worth $800,000. We have two investment properties, worth a total of $750,000, on which we owe $530,000 and receive $38,000 rent a year. I own a 50 per cent share in another investment property with my parents. It is worth $400,000 with $234,000 owing, and earns rent of $17,000 a year.
I am thinking of selling the property I own with my parents, taking my share of the profit, and using it to pay off some of the mortgage, then salary sacrificing $20,000 into my wife's and my super. Do you think this is a good idea or should I maintain the status quo?
You will need to form an opinion on the potential of the property owned with your parents. It does not appear to be costing anything to own it now and there may be CGT and transaction fees if you sell, so you'll have to decide whether holding it is a better long-term option than selling. You should make the same assessment of the rental properties you own in your own name - you could also reduce debt by selling one of them.
We are thinking of moving in with my parents for six months and renting out our property to save money. We bought our place 2½ years ago and have a mortgage of $255,000. Our repayments are $800 a fortnight and we will rent it out for $760 a fortnight, so the rent will almost cover our mortgage but no more than that. Our question is do we pay tax on the rent received? Or can the property somehow be tax deductible?
Once the property is available to rent, all outgoings such as interest, rates, maintenance and agents' fees will be tax deductible but the rents will be assessable. You will not lose your CGT exemption because you can be absent from your home for up to six years, provided you do not claim any other property as your residence in that time. I wonder if six months is too short a time, because tenant damage, if it occurs, could wipe out any savings you make.
I own two investment properties - one has a principal-and-interest loan and the other an interest-only loan. I don't want to live in either property and might now try to save for a home. While saving, should I change the first loan to interest-only too or should I put any savings in there so I don't have to pay tax on the interest? Any advice would be appreciated.
You should be using every strategy possible to keep the loan balances up to maximise your tax benefits when they are both rented out. An interest-only loan is best, but a 30-year principal-and-interest loan is fairly similar because so little comes off the principal in the early stages. I don't think it would be worth changing that loan to interest-only as there may be costs. Ideally, you would have an offset account - then you could accumulate funds in that, which would save you interest until you buy your own residence. Then, when you are about to buy your own place, you could simply withdraw the funds from the offset account.
We are retired and about to build our home from proceeds of shares. Is it wise to leave our remaining shares with the four big banks only?
It is a fundamental principle of investing that you should not have all your eggs in one basket, and that is exactly what you would do if you kept the bank shares only. Talk to your stockbroker about a diversified portfolio that will spread your risk.
I am moving to the US permanently but am going to rent out my house here in Australia. I have a mortgage of $360,000 on a variable rate at 5.9 per cent. Would you recommend I switch the loan to interest only, or a fixed rate, while I settle overseas?
There is a range of issues here and you should be talking to your accountant before you leave.
The rent will still be taxable in Australia, but if the property is negatively geared because of interest and other outgoings, the losses cannot be offset against your current taxable income - they can only be offset against future capital gains.
You will be entitled to the six-year main residence exemption while you are overseas, but if you have not returned to the property before six years are up, you will lose your capital gains tax exemption, and to make matters worse will not be entitled to the 50 per cent discount.
You will need to decide what kind of loan to take after you have thought about this aspect.
Another issue is currency risk. If you are being paid in American dollars and can get a loan in American dollars while you are living there, it may be worthwhile thinking about refinancing in US dollars at a very low rate of interest.
Noel Whittaker is the author of Making Money Made Simple and numerous other books on personal finance. His advice is general in nature. Readers should seek their own professional advice before making decisions. Email: firstname.lastname@example.com.


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Gillian & Matt
June 23
Wye Island, Maryland
Q & A with the Bride:
1. Which three details from your wedding were your favorites?
1. Lights, lights, lights! All I wanted was lights strung across the backyard for a summer evening, party feel.
2. The burlaps, white linens and wildflowers made the tables come together better than I could have ever imagined.
3. The hanging mason jars on the back wall of the pavilion. The plan was to nail the mason jars to the wall, but when we arrived on-site the night before, we were told that nails were not allowed. So, I came up with the solution to string them at odd lengths. Definitely not what I planned, but it turned out great!
2. Give us the one moment in your wedding day you can't stop thinking about.
I still can't stop thinking about the whole thing! My wedding was beautiful. From the burlaps, wildflowers, the food and wedding dress, to it being the best party I've ever had with my friends and family, my wedding was more than I could have hoped for. I was blown away by how my vision materialized.


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Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen and 9 Other Stylish Celebrity Sisters
Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen may have won Vogue's Best Dressed Siblings award, but they're far from the only stylish celeb sister pair out there.
-Lucia Peters
We've known for a while now that they aren't kids anymore, but Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen have just earned a very grown-up honor: They've been named the best dressed pair of celebrity siblings in Vogue's 2011 Best Dressed Special Edition issue, which hits newsstands tomorrow. Congrats, you two! You've come a long way! But Mary-Kate and Ashley certainly aren't the only stylish sisters who also happen to be celebrities. What about these 9 others?
1. Kate and Pippa Middleton
Of course we couldn't have a "stylish sisters" list without including the Duchess of Cambridge and her sister. Whether decked out in royal finery or dressed down in casual wear, these two English roses always look perfectly pulled together. And the hats! Oh, the hats!
2. Penelope and Monica Cruz
Did you know Penelope Cruz had a sister? Because she does! Monica is a Spanish actress and dancer (she does flamenco!), and she's just as smokin' as her big sister. In fact, back in 2007, they teamed up to create a limited-edition line for MNG Mango. Classy!
3. Sienna and Savannah Miller
British actress and model Sienna Miller and her sister Savannah look similar enough to be twins—except for the fact that one of them is so much taller than the other. Savannah is a professional designer, so she worked with Sienna on their Twenty8Twelve label. Here they are at London Fashion Week in 2009. Who else wishes they had their legs?
4. Emily and Zooey Deschanel
You know what we love about Emily and Zooey? They both always look great, but they have very different senses of style from each other. Emily usually plays it a littler safer, while Zooey goes for the quirky look. They both wear red quite well, though!
More stylish celeb sisters, including the Fanning girls and the Duffs, up next!


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