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Q1 2004 Vendor Graphics Card Roundupby Derek Wilson on 2/4/2004 7:30 AM EST
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vss1980 - Wednesday, March 10, 2004 - linkI'm surprised there weren't more DirectX9 games tested.
I must admit its annoying when review sites test with only 1 or 2 older games and focus on just 3Dmark and new game tests, but considering all those cards are DX9 cards the lack of DX9 testing isn't right. Reply
anthonyv - Monday, March 01, 2004 - linkplease recheck the charts on p.25... I think the charts, chart titles, and text are mixed up.
..anthony Reply
Atlas5 - Sunday, February 29, 2004 - linkI'm not sure that a comparison of such limited depth is all that useful to someone trying to figure out if upgrading to a new card is worthwhile. Try this review...
...if you're looking to compare more than what's hit the streets in the last 9 months. Reply
mkseidl - Thursday, February 19, 2004 - linkYou can d/l the coolbits reg edit which will add a tab to your display settings to overclock the video card with simple sliders. Just to compare with your FFXI my score was 3800 :)(I haven't run the benchmark with my card oc'd)
I have
Asus a7v8x
xp1700 @ 2.25ghz
evga geforceFX 5900se
1gb pc2100
sata raid 0 array 240gb
dvd +/- burner
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I have a question, on hot hardware they got their evga up to 471/871mhz
But I can only gt mine up to 429\820
which is about a 50mhz diff? is that average for cards? I know not all cards/procs can oc the sae. but shouldn't it be closer?
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mincheng - Wednesday, February 18, 2004 - linkCan anyone tell me how to overclock the video cards??? I know that when you OC a cpu you gotta go to BIOS, but I just don't understand how Video Card overclocking works? I currently own a PNY FX5600 Ultra and a P4 3.06Ghz/533L2Cache - overclocked to 3.45Ghz and a 1Ghz of PC800 RDRAM. Scored 3437 on FFXI benchmark ver.2 . I really want to OC my video card so I can get better speed. And if you know how to OC then can you please e-mail me at firstname.lastname@example.com? THANKS! Reply
mkseidl - Wednesday, February 18, 2004 - linkJust out of curiosity, how did you guys overclock the video cards? I can't find anything in my drivers or bios to overclock my card. After reading your benchmarks, I purchased a evga 5900se. I upgraded from Gefoce2 Ultra
3dMark01 - Geforce 2 was 5013 and my Fx was 9109
Is that a big jump?
And in the FFXI benchmark I went from 1900 to 3800
But I want to overclock the crap out of it like my proc ;)
Martin Reply
Pete - Wednesday, February 11, 2004 - linkLast nitpicks: box shots and bundle listings would have been useful, and part numbers and stock speeds should have been mandatory on each card's page. Considering most vendors offer multiple versions of each product, not clearly marking which card was tested in this overclocking roundup seems like a rather glaring omission. NewEgg now seems to offer a High Tek (HIS) 9600XT, but I can't tell if that's the same one as in your review, or even if stock memory speed for HIS cards is 600 or 650MHz. Your only mentions of memory speeds are at the ends of pages 15 and 16, somewhat removed from each card's product page. I think it would have much clearer and more helpful if you had mentioned that both Sapphire's and HIS' 9600XT's ship with their memory at 650MHz either in their product pages, or directly under the memory overclocking graph. Reply
Pete - Sunday, February 08, 2004 - linkDerek, Indig0's reply is slightly worying. I hope people aren't getting the wrong impression of anyone's performance based on a single sample's overclocked performance in only three benchmarks. If the samples were sent to you by each AIB, that's even more worrying, as who's to say they weren't cherry-picked?
In fact, not indicating both the clock speeds and the fact that the cards were overclocked on each benchmark graph seems like a gross oversight. If the Flash format is preventing you from doing so, then changing it should be a priority. But if you can add two lines of description for each card (which it looks like you have plenty of room for), I'd amend the review.
For future overclocking reviews, I think it'd be much more useful to at least show the percentage improvements in both clock speed and framerate in the game benchmark charts. Sure, you've covered this earlier in the article, but it's a long article, and there's no point in forcing people to continually flip back and forth when it's relatively simple to add this data to the graphs. Ideally, I'd have liked to see two graphs for each card, one for stock and one for OC'ed speed, with the clock speeds in the card title and the percent improvement over stock speed right after the OC'ed speed bar. I think you can cram a lot more useful data into those graphs. :) Reply
Stlr22 - Sunday, February 08, 2004 - link
I would love to see benchmarks at 1600x1200. That's the sweetspot that I always play games at so I'd would like to see what kinda CPU/GPU combo it's gonna take to get smooth game play at that level. Reply
Nemesis77 - Friday, February 06, 2004 - linkThis review is getting alot of flack from the folks at Beyond3D: http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1013... Reply
DerekWilson - Thursday, February 05, 2004 - linkWe have added an update to the first page (and other relevant pages) of the article explaining a couple things that were omitted from the original publication of this article. One of these points being the fact that NVIDIA cards are underclocked when running 2D; the other being the fab process of ATI's R300/R350/R360 GPUs.
I hope these points being included in the article help to explain some of the results we see here. Thanks again, everyone, for your feedback and input. Reply
Indig0 - Thursday, February 05, 2004 - linkDerek, this article is great, so many questions answered, hooray for nVidia!!! I was very dissapointed by nVidia's previous lackluster preformance, and I am pleased to see that nVidia figured out how to close the gap.
I have some questions though, Valve said that in HL2, the nVidia FX cards ran better if seen as DirectX 8 cards instead of DirectX 9, does this judgement still stand with the new nVidia drivers? What about with the new 5700 and 5950 cards?
DerekWilson - Thursday, February 05, 2004 - linkWe have an article dedicated specifically to image quality, and all vendor's cards performed on par with the reference cards they extend from in terms of IQ.
impar - Thursday, February 05, 2004 - linkI think Pumpkinierre hit the jackpot!
It is nice to read such a thorough review of graphic cards speed, noise and temperature but in my opinion the power required by each card should also be taken into consideration!
For example, in the mainstream we have 96XT, 57U and 59SE. Of those which one is the less/more power demanding?
It would be nice to see that kind of info displayed...
I imagine IQ wasnt a part of the review due to time constraints?
DerekWilson - Thursday, February 05, 2004 - linkThanks for the linkage ...
"As it stands, I'd say we've got ourselves a riddle wrapped in an enigma with hand-coded conundrum planes."
intensely complex proprietary hardware running equally intricate closed source software having to do with very involved mathematics will often hand you a situation that can be described as such. :-) ;-)
Pete - Thursday, February 05, 2004 - linkThanks for the reply, Derek. I look forward to future articles and your Halo investigation.
FYI, I posted a thread about that at Beyond3D. If it turns out that the limiting factor in Halo is not pixel shaders, then the default benchmark would seem to become less than useful in indicating PS2.0 performance. As it stands, I'd say we've got ourselves a riddle wrapped in an enigma with hand-coded conundrum planes.
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1014... Reply
DerekWilson - Thursday, February 05, 2004 - linkqquizz: Thanks for the suggestion; we'll include that card next time.
Pete: As always, your input and comments are appreciated.
The way we do our graphics makes showing multiple series for large datasets extremely difficult. We could have done this for the single card type graphs though, and will in the future if that's something that would help.
As for game choice. It would have been impossible to pick a PS2.0 game benchmark that was not part of TWIMTBP (Tomb Raider and Tron are both TWIMTBP games). The unreal engine is a widely used engine in the gaming industry, and we could not have left UT2K3 out. Your are, however, wrong about JK:JA. It is not an XBox port; the XBox version was released near the same time as the PC version from which it was ported. JK:JA is very much a sequel to the other titles in its series and is based on the OpenGL Q3A engine (Its called (Direct)XBox rather than GLBox for a reason).
In the end, games were chosen for poularity of engine or title only.
As for graphs, its a mixed bag. Some people prefer percentages while others perfer pure frame rates. Of course, this was really the first article of its kind in quite a long while, and we've got a few nice tricks up my sleeve for the next incarnation that will involve percentage graphs... The overall performance graphs were more of an afterthought as the goal of the review was to show the performance gains OEMs could make in their catagory.
On HIS: we actually have an IceQ in the lab, and we were very excited about including it in the roundup. Unfortunately, we plugged it in and it didn't work. Nothing but the fan came up. On the whole, we were very impressed by HIS, and we look forward to including them in future reviews and roundups.
Seeing that the NVIDIA cards reach higher high temps should tell more about the cooling than idle. But your point is well taken, and in future reviews we will include a page about the reference cards themselves. A page is necessary because idle clock speeds aren't the only caveat to which we must pay attention when looking at these cards.
As for your Halo specific question, that's a matter we are still researching. :-)
Thanks for your questions and thoughts, they are always appreciated. Reply
jbirney - Thursday, February 05, 2004 - linkBummer,
1) no mention of lack of tri-linear on the FX cards.
2) no mention that Halo allows for partial precision vrs full precion for the ATI cards
"Many people crucified the NVIDIA cards with Tomb Raider, Aquamark3, ShaderMark and Tron benchmarks. The problem is that there are popular games out there that NVIDIA cards perform better in, and that info got lost in the shuffle."
No its that in these titles, they utilize more of the PS2.0 engine. We all know the ATI cards have a better PS2.0 engine. And while driver tricks on NV part will help to close the gap, the fact remains. I also agree with Pete I find it very strange that you hand picked DX9 games that NV was good in. Why not include some of the other ones that NV did not do so well?
Pete - Thursday, February 05, 2004 - linkHey Derek,
Thanks for the article. An impressive amount of data, as usual, and some surprises WRT to OCs. The noise data are especially useful.
A few criticisms and questions follow, if you're willing to suffer them. It's clear which is which, but if you feel I'm displaying an anti-nV bias (it's not intentional, and perhaps the pro-nV bias I perceive in this article is also unintentional on your part--or all in my head), at least consider responding to the questions.
1. Too many graphs! Could you show plain and AA+AF scores in the same graph, or are you locked into a default format?
2. I also found the choice of games somewhat curious, in that all three seem skewed toward nV. UT2K3 is a TWIMTBP title, and both Halo and JK:JA were developed for Xbox (exclusively among the consoles) in addition to the PC. It's not a big deal--I focused mainly on the heat, noise, and OC'ing results--but it doesn't seem entirely appropriate. The fact that you settled on a more "mainstream" CPU, included all the cards in one graph and listed framerates rather than percentages to me implies that you expect the benchmarks to be considered in and of themselves, rather than just as OC'ing yardsticks.
2a. The Halo bench, is that the game's built-in one that measures the intro cut-scene? Is that a really good test of PS2.0 effects and speed? I ask because I noticed in the huge recent THG roundup that the 5800U scored very closely to the 5900U, yet the latter was (IIRC) supposed to offer much-improved shaders. I thought it strange that the NV35's extra FP units didn't translate into performance gains in a title that used FP shaders. Perhaps NV3x's PS performance in Halo is register-limited?
3. Could you perhaps add comments on why the cards score as they do in the games (CPU-/bandwidth-/fillrate-/shader-limited?), or is that outside the scope of the article? If so, then why not just show OC'ing gains as percentages, to make it easier to compare with the gains over stock core and memory speeds?
4. In light of the HIS 9600XT's exemplary OC'ing, I was curious why you didn't also test an HIS 9800 Pro with the well-reviewed IceQ HSF? Did HIS not have one to ship to you, or is HIS not selling the latter card in the U.S.? It's curious that I can't find a single HIS card on Pricewatch or PriceGrabber, because I'm almost positive I found them there before.
5. I, too, forgot that nV cards are underclocked when idle. I think you'd be remiss not to remind your readers of that. If people are going to take the risk of OC'ing their cards, they'd be better off with all the info. At first, I thought the differences in idle temps indicated the FX cards have more effective HSF's and thus OC better, but that's not really something I can draw from the data. OTOH, the IceQ Cooler seems to allow for much greater OC's of 9800 Pro's precisely because it cools the GPU so much better than the stock HSF.
Thanks again.
BTW, I think 12x9/10 +/- AA&AF is a good compromise res to test cards with in the future (high-end 4xAA, mainstream 2xAA). Reply
Pumpkinierre - Thursday, February 05, 2004 - linkThe temperature measurements are a welcome change to a graphics card review. For too long reviews have gotten by with statements such as 'it runs warm'. When I built my system I probably wouldnt have bought the 9800pro had i known the levels of heat produced- 70C on the heatsink at load. I had to remodify my cooling to target the GPU and now keep it within 60C.
Presently, with justifiable criticism levelled at Prescott P4 regarding excessive heat, it would be nice to know the max. heat dissipation, max. case temp., current draw and wattage of these GPUs. Reply
qquizz - Thursday, February 05, 2004 - linkThey should have included the 9700PRO in the benchmarks IMO Reply
dgrady76 - Thursday, February 05, 2004 - linkGreat article. Almost like old-school AT, except better in many ways. Mr. Wilson, your thoroughness is appreciated and made for a great read. Reply
TheSnowman - Thursday, February 05, 2004 - linkif if you look back you will note that i did ask if you knew why the discrepancy existed. if i didn't know myself, i would have simply asked why and not directed my question at your knowledge of the situation. while i cannot argue against your comment that the information is available elsewhere, i doubt that you can argue that the omission of it in your review undoubtably serve to mislead the portion of the community who is not aware that you are comparing underclocked and undervolted cards to overclocked ones. as for linking to the original technology overviews or creating a page or two on the feature sets, that doesn't seem like a good idea when a single sentence explaining the situation would be much more effective in avoiding any possible confusion. Reply
DerekWilson - Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - linkWhy didn't you ask that question in the first place snowman ;-)
The info was left out because we didn't feek it was relevant (the operation of reference nvidia and ati cards has been well documented on this site and on others).
If you would prefer, in future roundups we can point to our articles introducing which ever GPUs we are including. If that's not enough, we can have a page or two dedicated to going over all the features the various reference cards have. Reply
TheSnowman - Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - linkya actually i knew that nvidia underclocks and undervolts their cards in 2d mode, i was just curious id Derek did. it struck me as rather odd that he would go though the trouble of presenting core temps while leaveing out such a vital factor in understanding the results. Reply
TrogdorJW - Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - linkSnowman (and Derek), remember that the FX5900 cards (all of them?) have 2D and 3D speeds. This has been the case since the FX 5800. Basically, they usually run at 300 MHz core and memory (DDR = 600 MHz) and when a 3D application loads, they bump up to the higher speed. It was done initially so that they could run the "leaf blower" 5800 fan at lower RPMs when you didn't need the extra power.
This is okay, I guess, but it might be an issue if you were to run games for 48 hours straight or something. Technically, I think the one speed option by ATI is better for peace of mind - if it can always run at that speed, you don't need to worry as much about instability after prolonged gaming sessions.
From the benchmarks here, I have to agree that the FX5900 SE cards seem to be the best choice right now. Relatively close to the 5900 ultra and 5950 ultra, at almost half the cost! I think more of these cards should have been included instead of the 5700 Ultras. Who would spend $175+ on a 5700 Ultra when the 5900 SE/XT/regular costs about the same ($185+) and beats it pretty soundly in every benchmark? There are also some 5900 cards that list 850 MHz as the RAM speed (the eVGA lists 700) - they might cost $30 to $50 more, but maybe they use the 2.2ns or 2.0ns RAM? They could potentiall be as fast as the Ultra cards and cost $100 less! Reply
skiboysteve - Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - linkalso the vcore of the nvidia chips is at 1.2v in 2d mode and 1.6v in 3d mode. Reply
par - Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - linkNoise and heat are a huge concern for me, so I'll probably put the 9600xt Ultimate in my sff, BUT when doom3 and some of the heavier games drop are the 4 pipes opposed to 8 gonna hurt me enough to buy a new card? Reply
AnonymouseUser - Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - linkThe EVGA 5900se is missing from the Temp graphs. Reply
DerekWilson - Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - linkIf you go back and look at the older scores for Unreal Tournament and Halo you'll see that (with the exception of 4xAA/8xAF in UT) ATI's high end cards haven't really done better in those two games:
UT: http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1896&...
Halo: http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1896&...
If we had turned on AA/AF we would have seen ATI do better in UT.
Many people crucified the NVIDIA cards with Tomb Raider, Aquamark3, ShaderMark and Tron benchmarks. The problem is that there are popular games out there that NVIDIA cards perform better in, and that info got lost in the shuffle.
When it comes down to it, ATI's 9800XT is the best card out there if you aren't going to overclock. The 9600XT and the 5700U are just about the same in terms of goodness, and if you want a card in that price range, I'd recommend a cheap 5900 based card instead.
There are some issues with that. Since ATI and NVIDIA don't measure temp the same way, and we haven't been able to come up with a really solid way of standardizing temperature measurements between the two, we have to rely on what the driver says. We are looking for better methods of measuring the temperature of each card.
That being said, I can venture a guess on why nvidia cards idle lower. Powerstrip offers me settings for 2D and 3D operation with NVIDIA cards, but I only get one setting to play with from ATI. The standard 2D clock speed for NVIDIA GPUs is anywhere from 1 to 2 hundred MHz lower than their 3D clock speed (generally 2D for the 5950 is 300MHz core). The memory clocks were locked between 2D and 3D operation and couldn't be set seperately. Reply
KristopherKubicki - Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - linkVery well done. Reply
Icewind - Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - linkI'd like to know how the freak the Nvidia cards outdid the ATI's in Halo and UT2k3, thats just beyond me. Reply
TheSnowman - Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - linkhum Derek, i don't suppose you know why the nvidia based high end cards idle at so much lower temperature when compared to the ati based offerings? Reply
AnonymouseUser - Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - linkNice roundup. The 5900se (priced similar to the 5700 Ultra and 9600XT) is what I find most impressive. Reply
Abraxas - Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - linkgreat review, this is the first of its type that i've seen and it really changed my mind on what card to buy. I would like to see 1280x1024 or even 1600x1200 in a future review, but even at 1024 it is nice.
53.03 is really that much faster? that's just amazing.
#7 ATI held a huge advantage on older drivers in HALO, just as much as in HL2. if the new drivers are that much faster... it appears that nvidia should never have been doubted :) Reply
DerekWilson - Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - linkSorry Icewind, we didn't include numbers for stock 9800pro, 5900(ultra/non-ultra/se/xt) or any stock card other than the newest releases. Most other reviews cover reference cards running stock numbers, but we just needed one reference point to show where these numbers fell and give people a basis to judge performance increase.
Iger, there are a few reasons for what you are seeing. I would say that your questions were the correct ones to ask.
We could only use a couple benchmarks, and the couple we chose are standardish (UT2K3), based on very common engines (JKJA), or one of the few available (Halo having PS2.0 support). These were not the games with huge performance gaps between them (like Tomb Raider or Tron). Also, since we were including 5700 and 9600 parts, we wanted to stick with the standard-but-lowish 1024x768 resolution rather than bump up a 1280 flavor.
There is also one other thing that has been overlooked. Since the fall, there have been some driver changes. We've moved up to 53.03 for NVIDIA (which brough some noticeable performance increases) and the CATALYST 4.1 drivers which we have yet to give a good work out.
In future reviews of this type, we plan on going with higher resolutions even if we include midrange cards. So the question we leave to the readers is this: how high do we go? 1152x864, 1280x960, 1280x1024 or 1600x1200 ... Reply
Lonyo - Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - linkMost 9800's seem to be able to hit about 450MHz at the very max. Even the 9800 non-pro's (mine can get to 440MHz, but I run at 430MHz).
Seems like a limit of the chip at about that sort of level. Reply
drpepper1280 - Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - linkTo answer a few questions, the passivly cooled 9600xt is on newegg, its the ultimate version. If you search by category it is at the bottom. Also the reason the nvidia cards do well against the ati cards is because they are overclocked in the bench marks (I'm pretty sure), also none of the bench marks are Half Life 2, lol. I had one question even before viewing the article, how does sapphires 9600xt 256mb stand up. Unfortunetly it was not reviewed, but I did read the the 9600xt could benifit from a memory increase. This makes me wonder if the 9600xt 256mb is actually a really good deal (it only cost 170 dollars), or if it is like many 256mb cards that actually decrease performance. Reply
Iger - Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - linkIt's strange it almost doesn't correspond with the fall test of FX5950 against 9800XT... There 9800XT looked much stronger... Now even the reference XT looks weaker, than FX. Maybe that's because the fall test was at higher resolutions? Or just not enough tests to see the big picture? Reply
tfranzese - Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - linkGood article. Impressed with both camp's overclocking headroom. Reply
Icewind - Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - linkWere are the comparison charts between the overclocked and stock speed 9800pro's? I must be blind, because I can't see them. Reply
par - Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - linkWhere can I find the passively cooled 9600XT by sapphire? Newegg shows sapphires 9600xt with a fan. Reply
DerekWilson - Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - linkThe Seagate HD: Barracuda 7200.7 PATA ... I'll add that to the table Reply
mostlyprudent - Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - linkNice article. A passively cooled 9600XT?!...I've found my next video card. There is one thing that I am unclear about - the Seagate hard drive used in the test setup - is it an SATA drive? Reply


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Jose Reyes took his time getting to first on a ground out and just now dropped a throw that could have started a double-play. Pedro Feliciano also dogged it in backing up third in the seventh.
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VOORHEES v. SINGER et al.
(Court of Chancery of New Jersey. Oct. 31, 1907.)
1. Wills—Construction — Contingent ReMainder—Riohts Of Beneficiary.
A will loft a life estate in certain property to R., the remainder to her son A., or A.'s surviving lawful issue, if any. but. if A. died without lawful issue, then the remainder was to go to testator's three sons, C., B., and W.. in equal shares, or to their lawful issue, respectively. R. survived B.. who had survived A., but both A. and B. died without lawful issue. Held, that the remainder to A. did not vest because of the gift over, neither did the remainder to B. vest because of the gift over to his issue, in case R. survived him. and also because of its liability to be defeated by A. surviving R. Hence, B.'s interest being a contingent remainder, his will conveyed no interest in the property in question.
[Ed. Note.—For cases in point, see Cent. Dig. vol. 49. Wills, §| 1467, 1468.J
2. Same—Lapse Of Bequest.
At B.'s death, a one-third share In the remainder lapsed, and, in the absence of a defined inclusive residuary bequest, testatrix died intestate as to that portion.
[Ed. Note.—For cases in point, see Cent. Dig. vol. 49, Wills. §§ 1007-2001.]
3. Same —Rights Of Heirs And Next Of Kin.
Under the circumstances, the lapsed bequest would go to testatrix's next of kin in accordance with the statute of distribution.
[Ed. Note.—For cases in point, see Cent. Dig. vol. 49, Wills, § 2165.]
4. Remainders—Vested Remainders — DisTinction Between Vested And Contin Gent Remainders.
A vested remainder is one that is limited to a person in being and ascertained so that it is capable of taking effect in possession or enjoyment on a certain determination of the particular estate, without requiring the concurrence of any collateral contingency, and uncertainty as to .enjoyment by the remainderman will not render the remainder contingent, providing he has by the limitation a present absolute right to have the estate the instant the prior estate shall determine, but the absence of such present absolute right renders the estate a contingent remainder.
5. Same — Application Of Distinction — Personal Property.
The principles governing the distinction between a vested and contingent remainder are applicable to personal property, as well as to realty.
Action between Louisa D. Voorhees, executrix, etc., and Caroline H. Singer and others, for the construction of a will.
Will construed.
The will of Caroline C. Hull, deceased, provided as follows:
"I do give devise and bequeath to my said executors and the survivors and survivor of them the remaining one (1) share In trust that they during the natural life of my son Richard Cooper Hull will Invest and re-Invest from time to time the said one share In such securities as they may deem best and most judicious and pay over the rents, profits Incomes and dividends thereof at reasonable Intervals to my said son Richard for his own use and support, in such way as not to be liable in any way for his present and future debts, and on his decease leaving his son Richard A., him surviving then to pay over the same to the said Richard A., or to his lawful issue if he shall have died leaving lawful Issue, but If he shall have died without leaving lawful issue him surviving, then that they pay over the said share to my said sons. Charles W., Robert B., and Wajer J., in equal shares or to the Issue of such one of them as shall have died leaving issue surviving, each one of my said sons taking one equal share, and the lawful Issue of any deceased, taking the share of the parent, If one solely, If more than one jointly and equally."
Richard A. Hull died without Issue June 5, 1878. Robert B. Hull died without issue February 6, 1891. Richard Taylor Hull (the life tenant) died July 24, 1905. The bill seeks instructions as to tbe disposition to be made of the share of the trust property which would have been payable to Robert B. Hull had he survived the life tenant.
George Reynolds, for complainant. Ephraim Tomlinson, Wilson, Carr & Stackhouse, G. Dore Cogswell, and W. Holt Apgar, for defendants.
LEAMING, V. C. (after stating the facts as above). I am unable to discern any element of uncertainty or doubt in the solution of the question here presented. The interest of Robert B. Hull in the trust bequeath was that of a contingent remainder. He having died without issue prior to the termination of the life estate, one-third of the trust bequest lapsed at his death. In the absence of a defined inclusive residuary bequest, testatrix died intestate as to this one-third of the trust property. In such case the next of kin of testatrix at her death take this one-third in accordance with the statute of distribution. Mulford v. Mulford, 42 N. J. Eq. 08, 74, 6 AO. 609.
The distinction between a vested and contingent remainder in a case like the present one Is well defined. The former is one that Is so limited to a person in being and ascertained that It Is capable of taking effect in possession or enjoyment on a certain determination of the particular estate, without requiring tbe concurrence of any collateral contingency. The uncertainty as to the remainderman ever enjoying the estate which is limited to him by way of remainder will not render such remainder a contingent one, providing he has by such limitation a present, absolute right to have the estate the instant the prior estate shall determine; but the absence of such present absolute right renders the estate a contingent remainder. Weehawken Ferry Co. v. Sisson, 17 N. J. Eq. 475, 478. These principles are applicable to personal property. 2 Kent's Com. 352. Thus, In the present ease, the remainder to Richard A. Hull is not. vested because testator made provision for a gift over in the event of his dying without issue before the life tenant; and the remainder to Robert B. Hull is not vested both because of the gift over to his issue in the event of his deaOl without Issue prior to the termination of the life estate, and also because of the liability of the remainder being defeated by the death of the life tenant before the death of Richard A. Hull. An illustration of the latter condition, given by Washburn (2 Wash, on Real Prop. [4th Ed.] 548, 228), is as follows: "If the limitation be to A. for life, remainder to B., B. has the capacity to take this at any moment when A. may die." B. therefore lias a vested remainder. "But, if It had been to A. for life, remainder to B. after the death of J. S.. and J. S. is still living, B. can have no capacity to take till J. S. dies." B.'s remainder is therefore contingent. At the death of Richard A. Hull without Issue before tie termination of the life estate and prior to the death of Robert B. Hull, the latter's Interest would have become a vested remainder but for the limitation over to his issue. As a vested remainder Is subject to alienation and a contingent remainder is not, the will of Robert B. Hull Is ineffective to vest an interest in the trust created by the will of Caroline C. Hull.
I will advise a decree directing the trustees to make distribution of the one-third of the trust property now in question in the manner In which It would be distributed, had Caroline C. Hull died Intestate.
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NEIL Smith and his daughter Lucy have qualified for area finals in the National Indoor Championships.
Both have reached the Area 10 final in the men's and women's champion of champions competitions.
Neil booked his spot in the Area 10 final with a comprehensive 21-2 victory over David Morley (Fairford), and followed that up with 21-15 semi-final win over Carterton's Stuart Richens.
Neil Smith will meet Mark Atkins in the area final next Thursday, November 15, on Atkins' own green at Malvern Hills.
Lucy Smith, who last weekend came-off the reserves bench and took part in the England Ladies U25 trial at Rugby Thornfield, has had to play two matches as well like her father to reach the Women's Area 10 final.
Only in her first year in this champion of champions national event, teenager Smith beat Carterton's Rachel McIntyre 21-11 and Cotswold's Margaret Powell 21-15 in the semi-final away in Stroud.
She has to travel again as she will play Gloucester's Gill Fry on her own green next Wednesday evening.
Meanwhile, 11 Westlecot players have been selected to play in the Wiltshire men's side to face Somerset today in the first round of the Liberty Trophy at North Wilts (Chippenham).
They are Paul Kistle, John Thomas, Kyle Anderson, Tom Walkley, Kevin Embling, Tom Pittuck, Dave Snell, Ian Jefferies, James Nobbs, Chris Cheesley and Neil Smith.
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Norma Koehring Pizzitola, 83, joined her husband Charles in Heaven on Tuesday, May 13, 2014. Born Norma Ruth Koehring on October 9, 1930 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin to Calvin and Margaret Koehring, she moved to the River Oaks area of Houston in 1941. Norma graduated from Lamar High School. On October 29, 1949 she married the love of her life, Charles Pizzitola, at St. Anne's Catholic Church and went on to raise six children. The family resided predominately in Spring Branch. Later she and Charles moved to Sea Isle in Galveston. She is preceded in death by Charles who passed on February 9, 2009. Norma is survived by her children, Barbara Wyka and husband Tom, Chuck Pizzitola, Thom Pizzitola and wife Janice, John Pizzitola and wife Rhonda, Jeanine Aigner and husband Steve, and Annette O'Neal and husband Danny. She is also survived by numerous grandchildren and great-grandchildren, sister Margaret "Ann", brothers Tom and Jim, and many nieces and nephews. Norma will be remembered for her love for life, family, good food, good friends and dancing the night away with Charles. She loved to travel and had many adventures traveling across the U.S. to visit her siblings. She and Charles also traveled to Italy and France and went on many cruises and trips to Las Vegas over the years. A Celebration of Life - Remembering Norma will be held on June 5, 2014 from 2:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m., at Pavillion on Gessner, 2500 Gessner Road, Houston, TX 77080.
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Lakeland, Fla. (September 6, 2006) – Jennifer O'Connor's second goal of the match in the 104th minute gave the 24th ranked Saint Leo women's soccer team a 2-1 double-overtime victory over Florida Southern College Wednesday night at Barnett Field in Lakeland, Fla.
The game was the conference opener for both sides, as SLU remained unbeaten on the season (3-0-1, 1-0 SSC) while FSC (2-3, 0-1 SSC) had its two-match winning streak snapped.
The Lions appeared to be heading for their fourth consecutive shutout to open the 2006 season when Florida Southern's Halie Clark scored with just 12-seconds remaining in regulation to force the game into extra time. The goal ended Saint Leo's shutout string at 380 minutes.
O'Connor had opened the scoring in the 65th minute and capped off her second two-goal game of the season with the game-winner in the 14th minute of the extra period. The junior midfielder took a pass from midfielder Bridget Godwin (So., Ocean Springs, Miss.) and finished beyond FSC goalkeeper Kim Fish from close range.
Opening kick-off was delayed for over an hour due to lightning in the Lakeland area.
The Lions will return to action on Friday, as they will face the University of Montevallo in a south region match in Montevallo, Ala. The game will kick-off at 6:00 p.m. ET at Montevallo's University Field.


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I hope you're all winding down for a great holiday break. Merry Christmas to those of you that celebrate it, and happy holidays to the rest of you.
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A MAN was rescued from a smoke-filled house in the middle of the night.
Firefighters broke down the door of the Gloucester Avenue home in Accrington and dragged the unresponsive man to safety at 2am yesterday.
Crews were called by worried neighbours after an unattended deep fat fryer filled the house with smoke, setting off the alarm.
At first, firefighters could not see any obvious signs of a fire, but then discovered the fryer.
The occupier had attempted to cook food, left the fryer switched on and then fallen asleep. Firefighters did not manage to wake the occupant in order for him to let them into the property, so had to force their way in.
Yesterday, neighbours said firefighters had done an 'amazing job' and spoke of their own attempts at alerting the man.
One said: "I'd heard the smoke alarm going off but hadn't been able to make myself heard, so I called 999. The firefighters were here really fast and when they got here, they broke the door down. They went right in and got him out."
Firefighters who assessed the property said there was no fire damage but smoke damage to some rooms.
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WINTER PARK, Fla. - A record-setting meet has landed Saint Leo sophomore Gabe Keown Sunshine State Conference Men's Swimmer of the Week honors.
A native of Philadelphia, Pa., Keown led the Lions to a 151-111 upset over No. 11 Tampa. He had a hand in three school records and posted three NCAA "B" standard times in the victory.
Keown finished first in the 50-yard freestyle with a time of 21.21. That mark tied the program record, was the second fastest turned in by an SSC swimmer this fall, and met the NCAA "B" standard.
He also won the 100-yard freestyle with a school-record time of 45.59. His mark, which was the best in the SSC thus far, achieved a "B" standard.
Keown joined the 200-yard medley relay team for yet another SLU record and first-place finish. The squad clocked a time of 1:34.79, second quickest among league teams this year. He also swam the anchor leg of the 400-yard freestyle relay team that finished first with a mark of 3:05.19. The time established a school record, was the fastest in the conference, and achieved a "B" standard cut.
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Andover v Basingstoke & NH.
Andover came extremely close to toppling unbeaten Basingstoke and North Hants at a sun-baked London Road on Saturday but fell at the final hurdle in an enthralling encounter.
Skipper Mike Adams, on his return from a work related absence, won the toss and had no hesitation batting first on a hard and flat pitch. Openers David Taylor and Glyn Treagus started positively until Treagus creamed one at mid-off and was well caught. The introduction of South African starlet Byron Haycock saw a slow and steady approach as he played the perfect foil to Taylor's big hitting. The former pro smeared three sixes in another boundary-strewn innings, ending up being caught on 86.
Hard hitting Ali Hooper looked to up the tempo with only 15 overs remaining but the spin duo of Thankachan and Pistorius were utilising the turning pitch to its fullest and restricted Haycock and Hooper to just singles. When Hooper was bowled and Robbie Hadfield run-out, there was potential for a collapse but Matt Knight had other ideas. Haycock once again passed 50 and Knight blazed a quick-fire 20 then Max ended on 18 not out. Haycock finished 92 not out, another superlative innings from the overseas pro who is making a name for himself in this league. The home team ended on a very competitive 249-5 off their 50 overs, a score that would cause Basingstoke a headache chasing down.
The away team started their run chase cautiously, carefully watching the ever-dangerous Taylor and Adams opening pair. Patrick Joseph looked particularly threatening while skipper Dan Coombs supported him well. Unsurprisingly, it was the introduction of spin that saw the first wicket, Joseph being well caught in the deep by Knight off Treagus however, Niblett, who was promoted up the order, smashed an attractive looking 25 to put the away side in contention.
With the game ebbing and flowing, three quick wickets fell to the pace of Luke Graham, who caused all sorts of problems removing Coombs, Niblett and Porter to swing the game back in Andover's favour. Nevertheless, the final laugh was with Basingstoke as Craig hit crucial boundaries and important times.
It all came down to the final over, with just two runs required, and Adams forced them to the final two balls but a quick single won it for Basingstoke in a great game of cricket, played by two good all round teams.
Vision Express sponsored Andover make the short journey to Hook on Saturday where they look to return to winning ways.


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Alexander Wang Resort 2013 Lookbook
We've said it before, and we'll say it again: We love Wang. His version of Resort season is dark and dramatic, A-Wang through-and-through with only black and white (bar a little beige).
Leather, a Wang staple, is vital again, seen in sleeves, skirts and crop tops. Whether in calf or croc, it holds it all together. Special props to the leather trench that's more amazing than The Matrix.
The severity of the leather is tempered by silk, which appears in panels on sports-inspired pieces, or — at its most delicate — a diaphanous white dress. Meanwhile, a pleated white dress exemplifies the meeting of dark and light, with its thigh-high split revealing little leather shorts.
Cut-outs are carried through to shoes, plus 90s sportswear-influenced parkers, bare midriffs, a puffer vest and racerbacks so strappy they're nearly bondage. There's also a yoga mat. Imagine doing a downward dog on that baby!


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A PROMINENT town centre shop in Wellington which has stood empty for some time could be turned into a kebab house.
Ahmet Boga wants to move his current takeaway from the back of the old Town Hall into the closed Stead & Simpson shoe store on High Street and has applied to Taunton Deane Council for planning permission.
Mr Boga is being forced to relocate Wellington Kebab & Pizza after Wetherspoon signed a lease to open up a pub in the grade II listed building.
If his application is successful, the takeaway would be open until midnight Sunday to Friday, with an extended opening until 2am on Saturdays.
Wellington councillors will have the final say on the plans after the Deane identified it as a decision to be made by the town council.
Keith Wheatley, vice-chairman of Wellington Business Association, admits opinion will be split over the move.
He said: "While his many supporters say that Mr Boga makes a mean kebab, critics say the proposed move to a prominent high street location gives out the wrong message about the town.
"It's going to be controversial decision and it is right that it is being left to the town council to decide, not the planners in Taunton.
"The business association's view is that everyone should have the maximum possible freedom to run their business, within the limits of law and local democracy."
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Simple Lucky Bamboo Magic Wand by leighswiccanboutique on Etsy
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Hong Kong's Yue Hwa Chinese Products Emporium Ltd. announced that it is no longer selling ivory products, according to a memo obtained by WildAid.
Rhino subspecies receives U.S. protection in light of Africa's poaching epidemic
African Wildlife Foundation (AWF) applauds the move by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS) today to list the southern white rhino (Ceratotherium simum simum) as threatened under the Endangered Species Act. While this rhino subspecies is not in danger of extinction, USFWS noted that its similarity to other subspecies required further protective measures, particularly in light of the rising illegal rhino horn trade.
Death of elephant could be a sign that poachers and wildlife traffickers are turning their attention to Africa's southern herds
Series of burns by Hong Kong authorities to destroy 29.6 metric tons of seized ivory
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Exempt vs. non-exempt employees: a quick guide for small businessesComments Email Print
The issue of whether an employee is exempt or non-exempt presents itself in claims of failure to pay overtime compensation, and the line between exempt and non-exempt employees may not always be clear. Both Ohio and federal law agree that overtime is to be paid to all non-exempt employees who work more than forty hours in one week, small business owners must focus more on how their employees are classified. The occupations that fall under the traditional "blue-collar" spectrum of employment, as well as those occupations that involve public safety and health, are always non-exempt according to federal law. Federal labor laws also specify that certain classes of "white-collar" employees can actually be classified as non-exempt. Any employee who is paid on a salary or fee basis and performs executive, administrative, or professional duties as defined by the Fair Labor Standards Act Section 13(a)(1), must be classified as non-exempt if their salary is less than $455.00 per week, regardless of their job title. State laws vary in their classification of exempt employees. Ohio's listing of exempt employees can be found under Ohio Revised Code §4111.03 (D)(3)(a-h).
A recent decision by the Ninth Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals will no doubt be of usefulness to employers defending against wage and hour claims, regardless of an employee's exempt or non-exempt status. Wang v. Daily Chinese News, 2013 U.S. App. LEXIS 4423 (9th Cir. Mar. 4, 2013) overturned precedent that establishes the use of inferential statistics when awarding damages when multiple employees file suit against the same employer for claims of wage and hour law violations. The Ninth Circuit now holds that employees are entitled to individualized determinations of relief, and are also entitled to present individual affirmative defenses. This decision will have an impact on the number of class-action suits filed against employers who are charged with wage and hour law violations, but at the same time, the number of individual claims filed against employers will be impacted as well.
It is particularly important for small business owners to keep all of these factors in mind, as even one claim could put a small business in financial and legal danger.


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THIS RESTAURANT IS CLOSED Lee's Hoagie House Restaurant Review: It seems Philadelphia is full of sandwich institutions, and this is one of them. At over ten locations in and around the city, expect a terrific, traditional hoagie with a special secret sauce that has been a claim to fame for years. Other items available include tuna hoagies, chicken steak sandwiches, wings, and whole rotisserie chickens. You choose to eat in, take out, or opt for delivery.
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Who knew chocolate and barbecue could go together? A lot of grilling fanatics, apparently. More and more grill masters are harnessing chocolate's unique flavor profile and cooking properties to enhance rubs, marinades, sauces, and even grilled desserts.
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This article was published 24/4/2013 (1581 days ago), so information in it may no longer be current.
It can be argued Ondrej Pavelec got the Winnipeg Jets to where they are right now. However, at the end of the day, ninth place is not where anyone wants to be.
Pavelec certainly didn't hold the Jets back this season, but until this team becomes more defensively reliable, he'll have to do more or the playoffs will continue to be the talk of fantasy.
Pavelec is a capable goalie but the fact remains this team is once again on the wrong side of the goals-for and goals-against line. The Jets have scored 109 goals while allowing 123 for a minus-14 differential. All eight teams ahead of Winnipeg in the Eastern Conference are plus teams in the same category.
Lumping all of that on Pavelec would be ridiculous.
In fact, the opposite is true. Without Pavelec, that number would be much worse.
But the goalie must accept his part. It's the reality of the position.
One night after a Jets road game this season in which Pavelec had been particularly sharp, I made a positive comment to Jets assistant GM Craig Heisinger about the performance.
"That's his job," was all Heisinger could squeeze out.
It's true. No team in the NHL will be successful without top-end goaltending. It's the expectation. Not to steal games but to keep a team in position to win.
Letting in three or four a night, as has happened a little too often to the Jets this season, doesn't equate to wins. In 12 losses this season, Pavelec allowed four or more goals. Again, he faced an onslaught of shots in those games and he's only the last line of defence.
The players in front of him need to be better. But so does Pavelec.
It's been said of Pavelec, as he goes so do the Jets. Well, his record is 21-19-3 and that doesn't appear to be good enough to get Winnipeg into the playoffs.
Imagining the Jets without Pavelec doesn't leave one with a warm and fuzzy feeling.
"Goaltending is 70 per cent of hockey. Until you have none and then it's 100 per cent," goes the old NHL axiom.
Until GM Kevin Cheveldayoff and coach Claude Noel can improve the players and the play in front of Pavelec, he's going to need to be other-worldly.
The question is, can he raise his level enough to push the Jets over the line?
From this vantage point, Pavelec gets a B for his performance this season. The Jets will need him to be an A if they are going to become more than an outsider come playoff time.
Pavelec is 37th in the league with a 2.77 goals- against average and he's 33rd in the league with a .906 save percentage. He's been ordinary at best in shootouts, earning two wins against three losses while allowing six goals on 21 shots with a .714 save percentage.
Those numbers, however, tell just one part of the story. Pavelec has faced 1,221 shots, second only to Ryan Miller of the Buffalo Sabres.
Pavelec has been peppered all season and certainly that plays a part in his poor numbers.
"His numbers aren't great... I would beg to differ on that. I don't go by the numbers. I know the save percentage and number of chances and all that but I don't go by that," said Jets coach Claude Noel. "He's still a young player in a good part of his career and I look at him from one year to the other and I see growth. The ceiling isn't there and you still have room to grow. That's what encourages me. I see a marked improvement from him in a lot of areas. If you ask me, 'Is he doing his part?' I would say over and above. I'm a big fan. If you ask me today, 'Could the Winnipeg Jets win a championship with him in nets?' I would say, 'Yes.' "
Noel's job relies on Pavelec's ability to stop the puck so it stands to reason he'd use a critical eye when judging his goalie.
This wasn't Noel protecting one of his players. This was the coach sticking his neck out to support him. There's a big difference.
The Jets want to be a playoff team and to do that they'll need a playoff goalie. Pavelec has shown lots but he hasn't shown that. Neither has the rest of the roster but Pavelec is no different.
Pavelec is one year into a five-year contract with the Jets at a reasonable rate that tops out at $4.75 million in the last year of the deal.
It's not a stretch to suggest he'll be a bargain by the end of the contract.
But a bargain is only a good deal if the product fulfills one's needs.
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Love is a verb.
Photographers across photo sharing platforms have come together to make "Love", a compelling compilation of images that span the Continents. Using love as their guide, each photographer shows us visually what love means frame by frame and page by page. Love is a tangible display of a close knit community to support one of our fellow creatives in his fight against cancer. Oceans may separate our artists physically but love binds us to one another.
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Everyone associated with the Redskins expects WR DeSean Jackson to play, though he left early last week against the Jaguars with a shoulder issue. Jackson certainly doesn't want to miss a matchup with the team that released him last March. Coach Jay Gruden is hopeful.
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Second son of Dr. Daniel C. Chamberlain and Mary Garrett. In 1853, he married Frances Ann M. Boyer in Russellville, Logan Co., KY. Alex and Frances were the parents of twelve children: George B.; Charles Daniel; Wm. D.; Elizabeth L.; Franklin Garrett; Jas. A.; Juliet; Jas. Alexander; Olive; Russell George; John Richard; and Andrew Berry.
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U.S. Rep. Steve King, R-Kiron, and Ames Democrat Christie Vilsack participated in a nationally televised congressional debate Thursday night at the Santa Maria Winery. The debate aired live on "Iowa Press" and CSPAN.
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A nationwide audience that included 230 people on site at Santa Maria Winery witnessed canyon-sized difference emerge Thursday night between the two major-party candidates seeking to represent Iowa's new 4th Congressional District.
Appearing on a one-hour live broadcast of Iowa Public Television's "Iowa Press," U.S. Rep. Steve King, R-Kiron, made the case for a national sales tax to replace the income-tax system, argued the anti-abortion cause and sought to paint Ames Democrat Christie Vilsack as something of an Iowa proxy for San Francisco Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi.
"This isn't a centrist running against a conservative," King said. "This is someone I think that's postured themselves as a centrist, but when you look at the positions, it's an entirely different story."
For her part, Vilsack portrayed herself as a bridge-builder who won't seek to cultivate the sort of national brand that's made King a favorite of the American right.
"I'm going to Congress to do something, not to be someone," Vilsack said.
King said effective representation involves advocacy beyond the state's borders, that it's naive for Vilsack to claim she can simply function as an economic-development cheerleader for Iowa, only looking to vote her district at all times.
"If you want to take this to another level, you've got to go outside the district and you've got to sell Iowa values to the rest of the country," King said.
The "Iowa Press" session aired live on the national public-affairs channel CSPAN, giving Carroll exposure as a number of local businesses, notably the winery, were featured in a film montage introducing the program.
In terms of the politics, what wasn't said by the candidates drove much of the post-debate discussion among Carroll-area residents.
King supporters seized on Vilsack's lack of a specific time period, a number of months or weeks, that she believes Americans should be allowed to collect unemployment benefits.
"You have to make sure that we actually have a recovery and we need to protect people," Vilsack said.
When pressed on the matter she repeatedly declined to provide a number.
"My answer is 26 weeks," King said quickly.
He argued that prevailing extensions on unemployment assistance to 99 weeks afford opportunities for laziness, a lack of industry on the part of too many Americans.
"We need to understand that there's not a lot of return on that investment, that you have people that are age 63, when they're promised 99 weeks of unemployment, that's an early retirement," King said.
For Craig Williams of Manning, chairman of the Carroll County Republican Party, Vilsack's handling of the question served as a revealing moment, a clear window into what he believes is her big-government philosophy.
"Not coming back with a number to me sounds like unlimited. That's what I gathered out of it," Williams said. "I thought it was pretty telling."
The two candidates were questioned about their positions on abortion with Vilsack saying she wanted to make that option "safe, legal and rare."
King, Roman Catholic, said his views were "completely consistent" with his church. King said he would be "generally" supportive of the intent of so-called "personhood" legislation that would provide babies in the womb the same rights as ones sleeping in cribs, or for that matter, Americans walking the streets.
Some King detractors insisted the congressman did not provide a firm answer on whether he believed governments could or should ban the use of contraceptives. But King said such a contention is "manufactured from the other side of the aisle." King cited the 1965 U.S. Supreme Court decision Griswold v. Connecticut which said a state's ban on contraception violates marital privacy.
"I accept that decision as constitutional," King said, adding that any efforts to mine his position further on the matter amounted to pure political gamesmanship.
Bret Hayworth of The Sioux City Journal, a former Carroll Daily Times Herald reporter and one of the "Iowa Press" panelists, asked King to explain why in July 2006 he went to the House floor to display the model of a wall he said he personally designed for the U.S. border with Mexico and likened illegal border crossers to farm animals.
"We need to do a few other things on top of that wall, and one of them being to put a little bit of wire on top here to provide a disincentive for people to climb over the top or put a ladder there," King said on the House floor. "We could also electrify this wire with the kind of current that would not kill somebody, but it would be a discouragement for them to be fooling around with it. We do that with livestock all the time."
King told "Iowa Press" Thursday he wanted to get right to the "tinker toys" and show elected officials how easy it is to build a wall at the border.
Vilsack said she supports secure borders and strongly condemned King's references to a suggested use of electricity on human beings seeking to breach a barrier. She also said King and other members of Congress have simply failed when it comes to needed immigration reform.
Former State Rep. Jim Dress, a Manning Democrat who supports Vilsack, said she was effective with counter punches in the debate.
"She makes old King squirm a little bit," Drees said. "I think she's coming along good. Who knows what's going to happen."
Early in the debate, Radio Iowa's Kay Henderson asked Vilsack about her use of gender as a campaign issue. Iowa joins only Mississippi in having never elected a woman to the U.S. House, U.S. Senate or as governor. But Vilsack said she's not asking people to vote for her just to shatter a glass ceiling.
"I think that's one of the lenses I bring to this," she said.
King and Vilsack agreed on some issues. Both support the use of unmanned drones for military purposes.
"I haven't raised a public issue against drones," King said. Vilsack said she isn't "particularly concerned" about the use of drones in combat.
Both candidates voiced strong support for Israel and a willingness to use American force if necessary to protect that American ally. King and Vilsack were also open to certain changes or cuts in the military with King saying his sense is there is "too much brass" in the armed services, and perhaps too many civilian employees.
Meanwhile, Vilsack said America's might in the future will be measured largely by economic muscle. The United States needs to have a "nimble" military that "might be smaller," Vilsack said.
"I thought Christie Vilsack presented herself well and certainly gave some new ideas and new thought for this district and she would represent us well," said C.J. Niles of Carroll, a Democrat. "She's a person who brings people together and isn't a partisan person and is willing to work and reflect the views of this area. She talks about small communities and how can really use economic development."
Frank O'Tool of Carroll, a Republican, said King articulated himself well.
"I have to say that I found it very easy to follow him and to understand what he was saying," O'Tool said. "I guess I just really support him for the positions he has taken."
Williams, the Carroll GOP chairman, saw the debate as a slam dunk for King.
"She barely took a stand on anything of any substance that I could see," Williams said. "You may or may not agree with the congressman's stands, but you always know where he stands because he always gives you a direct answer and he never wavers from it. I love that about the man."
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Hayworth made NO mention of King likening illegal border crossers to farm animals in his questioning. Here's the question from the transcript on the IPTV website:
Hayworth: "Mr. King, a few years ago in Congress you showed a scale model of a wall that you said should be built on the southern border with Mexico. Do you still feel like that's a way to go?"
And his follow-up question...Hayworth: "Simply, the wall entails what? A concrete barrier? Just a brief explanation of that."
Since Bret Hayworth couldn't get Steve King to take the bait, Doug Burns had to slip King quotes from the House floor into his article to get the job done.
Reasonable people know King was not comparing people to farm animals. He was talking about the design and efficacy of a fence.
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Guerin RemembersRiddles are little poems or phrases that pose a question that needs answering. Riddles frequently rhyme, but this is not a requirement.
In Flanders fields, where once was blood,
From battles for so few yards of mud,
I woke from such slumber deep,
And mocked the blood the havoc wreaked.
But now I show our future hope,
And enable veterans to cope,
By provoking memories of blood,
Before new battlefields can flood.
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AnswerThe poppy.
The poppy became a symbol of remembrance for the victims of war. This is due to the war poem 'In Flanders Fields', written in 1915 by John McCrae, a Canadian military physician, (the title of which is mentioned in the first line of the teaser).
Poppy seeds can lay dormant, deep in the soil for hundreds of years, but the violent shelling, on the Western Front during the First World War, would have unearthed them. This led to the blood and bodies being watched over by tall red flowers, dancing in the wind.
The artificial poppies sold today, to raise money for war veterans, were the idea of Madame Guerin, a Frenchwoman, mentioned in the title. Other colours of poppy are now sold as well as the original red, normally as a statement of peaceful resolution to conflict. However, it is predominantly Madame Guerin's poppy seen across much of the World and in military cemeteries.
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Stolen wallet
A woman working in the 300 block of West McGraw Street called 911 on Aug. 18 when she discovered somebody had stolen her wallet. She said she was working with a client, and she thought the front door was secured.
She said she heard someone enter the office, but she thought it was her business partner or somebody dropping off laundry, both people have access to the front door through a keypad.
The victim spoke with an employee of an adjacent business. The employee said she saw somebody go toward her business but wasn't sure if he used the keypad to enter.
Road rage
At 12:18 a.m. on Aug. 15, police responded to a road-rage report in the 2700 block of Third Avenue West. There, the victim told them he was driving south on the Ballard Bridge about 10 minutes before, when a Car2Go car cut him off. The driver of the other car started hitting the brakes several times.
The victim tried passing the suspect's car, but the suspect kept drifting back and forth ahead of him. The victim got off the bridge near the Emerson Street, but the suspect's stopped in front of him.
The suspect got out and approached the victim's door. The suspect was yelling, and the victim tried opening his door, but the suspect pushed it shut.
The victim rolled up his window, and the suspect tried punching it. The suspect then walked around to the passenger side and broke the passenger window.
The victim said he called Car2Go; he was told they know who the suspect is but would not give him the information.
Open patio door
At 12:06 a.m. on Aug. 17, police responded to a burglary report at a building in the 1900 block of Tenth Avenue West.
The victim said several drawers were open when she returned home. Police checked inside, but nobody was there.
The victim said the front door was locked when she got home, but that the patio door was open with the screen door closed and the blinds down.
The victim left her home at 4 p.m. on Aug. 16 and returned at 11:30 p.m. the same day.
She said three credit cards, $30 cash and a laptop computer were stolen.
Tequila thief
At 5:30 a.m. on Aug. 17, police responded to a 911 call from a store in the 3800 block of 34th Avenue West where a break-in had been reported.
An employee said she arrived at work to discover that a large rock had been thrown through the front door.
Another small rock had been used to break open the liquor display, and a large number of tequila bottles had been taken. There were many more expensive bottles of liquor that were left behind.
It looked like the burglar was specifically looking for tequila. Nothing else in the store appeared to be disturbed.
A woman called 911 after being carjacked in Uptown on the evening of Aug. 16. The woman had found her way to a restaurant in the 300 block of Roy Street at 10 p.m.
She said she'd been driving around the north side of the Seattle Center looking for a restaurant where she was supposed to meet a friend around 9:45 p.m. She pulled up alongside a pedestrian at the intersection of Second Avenue North and Roy Street to ask directions.
She asked the man if he knew where the restaurant was, and he said yes and then pulled a knife out of his pocket. He said, "This is a robbery."
The victim told the robber she only had $2.
The man ran around to the passenger side of the car and jumped in. He directed her to the intersection of Boren Avenue and Thomas Street and told her to get out of the car. He slid over to the driver's seat and drove of south on Boren.
Along with her car, the robber took the victim's purse, wallet and phone.
The woman said she walked around the area and tried to get six pedestrians to let her use their phones, but nobody would help her.
She then went into the restaurant, where a staff member helped her call 911.


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For this cook I decided to try something different, too. Here's something I call Greek Salad Relish (aka. Greek Salsa, I guess). This is just a regular Greek salad, but cut into a smaller dice:
Start with diced onion, peppers, tomatoes, and cucumber, and add sliced Greek (kalamata) olives and diced feta cheese.
Now according to three different Greek restaurant owner/chefs I know, the secret to a fantastic Greek salad is in the freshness and selection of the ingredients, so here are their exact suggestions:
- Onions - use red onions
Tomatoes - use Roma tomatoes if possible, seeded but with skins on
Lettuce - leave it out completely
Peppers - green is OK, red Italian ramshorn are the sweetest
Cucumber - English cucumber with the skin on
Olives - only use Greek kalamata olives and oit them yourself (the pre-pitted ones are too soggy and salty)
Feta - Bulgarian sheep feta is the absolute best and that's what these chefs serve to family. According to all of them, "Cow feta is for cooking only (as in spanakopita), and goat feta is for lunch rush customers."
I have to totally agree with them on the above tips, especially the feta. Sheep's milk feta is unbelievably tangy and creamy compared to cow and goat's milk feta.
The dressing is a basic vinaigrette of red wine vinegar, fresh lemon juice, olive oil (preferably Greek, of course ), oregano, salt, pepper, and a clove of crushed garlic if desired.
Mix everything together and serve fresh. In this case we'll be using it as a condiment.
The kofte themselves are just ground beef or lamb mixed with spices such as salt, pepper, oregano, thyme, sage and such. These ones are just ground beef mixed with McCormick's Greek seasoning.
They cook quickly. I made the slight mistake of individually wrapping them as I didn't have a big enough fridge to hold the platter full of skewers. As a result, the first two were half-done by the time the last two went on the grill so they were well-done.
Sometimes ground meat kebabs can stick if you don't have a skewer rack for grateless grilling. So the ridiculously-inexpensive $2 burger spatula makes a great helper.
The mark of a really good kofte are the ridges the cooks put on them with their fingers. Unfortunately, my skewers weren't quite wide enough to get the full treatment. I need to get some extra-wide metal skewers this year.
I'm really happy with this spatula. It's from a restaurant supply house and it's just a $2 basic long burger spatula. This one is 10 years old and has flipped over 6000 burgers at a lot of company picnics.
The pitas go on for only 30 seconds or so per side. More than that and they turn very crunchy. That's great for pita chips but not so great for holding a kebab as the crisp pita gets messy and splits.
Keep the Greek salad relish close at hand.
Here's another good tip: if you're using skewers like these, keep all of the handles the same way up. That way, you'll know exactly how many times you've turned the kebabs and they won't get overcooked. I've been doing this so long it's just second nature). These kebabs are done....
... so grab the warm pita in one hand...
... and use it to pull the meat off the skewer. The tip of the skewer may be really hot, so you'll hear a satisfying sizzle when the meat comes off the skewer.
Top with the Greek salad relish, and tzatziki sauce if desired, and eat! Unfortunately, I was out of the tzatziki sauce on this cook because I'd forgotten to pick up some Balkan- or Greek-style yogurt.
Even without the tzatziki sauce (which is just yogurt, grated cucumber, salt, pepper, garlic and sometimes, mint) these kebabs were great. They're really simple and worth a try.