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I have something I'm am building. To make things simple to understand I will change it all to something everybody knows.
Let's say I have a website for farmers. One table called farmers_tbl with the fields farmer_id, farmer_name, farmer_productI have one table with a lot of grocery stores that is called stores_tbl with the following fields: store_id, store_name, store_product
The farmers can send newsletters to all the stores that are selling their product.So, if a farmer is selling eggs, he can send the newsletter to all stores that sell eggs.
$sql = "SELECT * FROM stores_tbl, farmers_tbl WHERE store_product=farmer_product";
$result = mysql_query( $sql ) or die( mysql_error() );
Then I can send the newsletter to all the stores that want to know about the egg offer from this farmer.
But, a couple of stores don't want the newsletter from this farmer, so I set up a new table called unsub_tbl with the fields unsub_id, farmer_id, store_id
Now some stores can unsub from only this farmers newsletter, but continue to get the other farmers newsletter.But, now I'm a little confused. How should I setup the query to check that I will send to all farmers that are selling eggs but not the ones that have unsubscribed to this user?Any ideas how a query like that should look to work?
I have one table with a lot of grocery stores that is called stores_tbl with the following fields: store_id, store_name, store_product
Real world experience suggests that stores sell more than one product. so product to store ( n:n )
This infers that there is a relationship between each farmer and each store (n : n)
Sorry to not answer your direct question, but I think you table structure needs looking at.
Here is a first poke before I have to go out:
Using the format:
sample data
// kind of query these tables could supply
1 | eggs
// list all products
101 | Safeway Tuscon
// list all stores
22 | Giles
// list all farmers
22 | 1
// which farmers sell eggs?
// Farmer Giles provides eggs
// Safeway Tuscon is supplied with eggs by Farmer Giles, and does want his newsletter updates ...
According to ur query u r selecting all the records from both the table.if u have to send newsletters to all store on behalf of farmers then select only those stores those sales the eggs. then for each farmer who sell eggs notify the the stores to those stores who sell eggs.
CUPS. Well, this was just an example. My tables are far more complicated than this.I just wanted to know how to check both tables for the data.I want to know how to write a query that checks if one farmer is selling eggs and also that he didn't unsubscribe to this users newsletter.Since he want a newsletter from all the other egg farms. That's why I built a separate table to hold the unsubscriptions in. But, how do I check both places?
So it should be like this first:
$news_product = 'eggs';
$sql = "SELECT * FROM stores_tbl WHERE $news_product=store_product";
$result = mysql_query( $sql ) or die( mysql_error() );
But, how do I check if they unsubscribed from this farmer?
well,in this Case i need ur table structures and flow of data u r following with ur tables.
So you want to select only those shops that are not present in the unsub table for that farmer?Do a LEFT OUTER JOIN of the unsub table
FROM stores_tbl s
INNER JOIN farmers_tbl f
ON s.store_product = f.farmer_product
LEFT OUTER JOIN unsub_tbl u
ON u.farmer_id = f.farmer_id
AND u.store_id = s.store_id
WHERE u.farmer_id IS NULL
The where condition will have the query return only those farmer/shop combinations that aren't present in the unsub table
Thanx guido2004 I guess it is what I'm lookng for. I will look at that. Thanx.
For future reference; you'll get better answers if you give us the actual schemas you're trying to use. We're big boys and girls, we can handle it.
StarLion, you are right, but sometimes you don't want to give away an idea. This was a project I have big plans for. Not sure I want anyone to pick up the idea.I have a lot of great web ideas, so I try to work with a lot of them and then put together bits and pieces and see if it works the way I want it.If I would show the real tables, I guess someone could get the idea and figure out that it was something great...


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It buzzes on lower volume and with my amp settings low. I believe it is a grounding issue but I am not 100% sure. I noticed that when I touch the ring around the neck pickup, the buzzing stops and I get my nice clean sound. I had some upgrades done to it (pickups, wiring, pots, jack) and It still has the buzz. Any suggestions? Would copper taping help?
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Community College of Philadelphia Trustees Announce Appointment of Donald Generals Jr. as President
About the Presidential Candidate Finalists
The week of March 17, 2014 is a very important week in the life of Community College of Philadelphia. The Board of Trustees will be meeting and interviewing the three finalists for President who were recommended by the Presidential Search Committee. The Board hopes all members of the College family will take the opportunity to meet the candidates and provide feedback as we move into the final stage of the selection process. Afterward, a link will be provided to an online comments form, which must be completed by 6 p.m. on the same day a candidate speaks. We also wish to thank the members of the Presidential Search Committee for their diligence and hard work in identifying a field of strong candidates.
Listed alphabetically, following is a brief biography of each finalist. Each candidate's résumé is available below for review. The visits and final interviews begin Monday, March 17.
The Three Finalists:
Judith Gay, Ph.D.
Interim President, Community College of Philadelphia
Dr. Gay previously served as Vice President for Academic Affairs at Community College of Philadelphia; Division Chair at Montgomery County Community College in Blue Bell, Pa.; Full Professor and Chair of the Department of Psychology at Chestnut Hill College; and as Assistant Professor of Psychology at Gettysburg College in Gettysburg, Pa. Dr. Gay holds an M.A. and Ph.D. in Experimental Psychology from Bowling Green State in Bowling Green, Ohio, and a B.A. in Psychology from Findlay College.
Campus Visit: Wednesday, March 19, 2014
Donald Generals, Ed.D.
Vice President for Academic Affairs, Mercer County Community College, West Windsor, N.J.
Dr. Generals previously served as Provost at the Katharine Gibbs School in New York City; Vice President for Academic and Student Affairs at SUNY Rockland Community College, Suffern, N.Y.; and Dean of Student and Cultural Affairs at Passaic County Community College in Paterson, N.J. Dr. Generals holds an Ed.D. in Social and Philosophical Foundations of Education from Rutgers University in New Brunswick, N.J.; an M.A. in Urban Education/Community Service and a B.A. in Political Science from William Paterson College, Wayne, N.J.
Campus Visit: Monday, March 17, 2014
Gena Glickman, Ph.D.
President, Manchester Community College, Manchester, Ct.
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Campus Visit: Tuesday, March 18, 2014
The daily schedule for the finalists' visits is as follows:
9:00 – 9:45 a.m. – Meeting with College administrators
Center for Business & Industry, Room C2-28
10:00 – 10:45 a.m. – Meeting with Classified and Confidential employees
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11:00 – 11:45 a.m. – Meeting with College faculty
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Noon to 12:45 p.m. – Meeting with College students
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2:00 – 3:00 p.m. – Open forum
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About the College
Community College of Philadelphia is an exciting and dynamic urban institution with a mission to provide access to higher education for all. The College was created by state legislation in 1964 and began classes in 1965 with 1,941 students. Community College of Philadelphia is an open admission, associate degree-granting institution. More than 70 associate degree and certificate programs of study are taught by a well-qualified faculty and provide a foundation for transfer, employment and lifelong learning.
Annual enrollments are approximately 29,000 credit and 6,000 noncredit students. More than 685,000 students have attended Community College of Philadelphia since its inception. The attractive Main Campus is adjacent to Philadelphia's business and cultural center. Main Campus was developed around the third U.S. Mint Building, which houses administrative offices and classrooms. The campus has grown in recent years to include award-winning classroom and laboratory buildings, culinary kitchens, an expanded café, student life and athletics centers, a centralized enrollment center, and a center for business and industry. The College also operates three Regional Centers around the city to increase access to education for all Philadelphians.
Among the many programs and faculty awards are an ACHIEVEability Commitment to Education Award (2013) and the Lee Noel-Randi Levitz Retention Excellence Award for the Center for Male Engagement (2012). The Nursing program has been recognized three times as a National League for Nursing Center of Excellence. The College has also been designated an Achieving the Dream Leader College. The Division of Marketing and Government Relations has won national and regional awards for its commercials, videos, brochures and publications from the National Council for Marketing and Public Relations. In January 2013, the College was chosen as the home of Goldman Sachs Goldman Sachs 10,000 Small Businesses – Greater Philadelphia, a national initiative designed to help entrepreneurs create jobs and economic opportunity.
Community College of Philadelphia is governed by a fifteen-member Board of Trustees who are committed to student success. The current FY budget is $140.6 million, including $14.0 million for capital expenditures. Revenue to support the College comes from the City of Philadelphia (15.2%), the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania (22.8%), students (59.3%), and other sources (2.7%). An active Foundation has current assets of nearly $12.6 million and completed a $17 million campaign in 2012.
More than 1,500 full-time and part-time faculty, staff and administrators work at the College. Full-time faculty, part-time faculty and classified staff are represented in collective bargaining by the Faculty and Staff Federation of Community College of Philadelphia, American Federation of Teachers Local 2026. Community College of Philadelphia is fully accredited by the Middle States Commission on Higher Education, the Pennsylvania Department of Education, and several program-specific accrediting bodies. Explore the College website for more information.
About Philadelphia
Philadelphia is an exciting, world-class city. It is the 5th largest city in the U.S. with great neighborhoods, museums, theaters, restaurants, professional sports, health care, higher education and a thriving business base. This exceptionally livable city was the crucible of American democracy, and its historical and cultural sites attract millions of national and international visitors annually. It is a vibrant, diverse community in every sense. Rail, air and highway transportation provide accessibility to anywhere in the world as well as to the beaches, mountains and major metropolitan locations. Many top-rated colleges and universities are in the city or nearby.
Despite these positives, Philadelphia lags behind peer cities when it comes to educational attainment. According to a 2011 report by The Pew Charitable Trusts, only 23% of its residents currently have graduated from college. This low rate helps to drive Philadelphia's high poverty rate of 25%. Philadelphia's leaders recognize that a skilled and better educated workforce is one of the key elements in the region's future economic success. Therefore, it is important that citizens and businesses look to Community College of Philadelphia to build on its strong foundation and become a world-class community college that leads more and more students each year to academic success. The College is a vital educational resource that allows residents to gain specific skills for in-demand occupations and further education, complete a college degree, change careers and keep competitive in their current job. For more information about Philadelphia visit the City of Philadelphia and Visit Philly websites.
Leadership Opportunities and Challenges
The core values of Community College of Philadelphia are integrity, academic excellence, diversity, communication, respect, and commitment to teaching and learning. Student success is the College's highest priority. The College embraces its role as an affordable, quality educational opportunity for the citizens of Philadelphia and as a stimulus for economic development. The next President of Community College of Philadelphia will have an exceptional opportunity to help lead the College toward excellence in academic programs, workforce development and improved student success. The College seeks a transformational and inspirational president who will lead the College from good to great.
The core values of Community College of Philadelphia are integrity, academic excellence, diversity, communication, respect, and commitment to teaching and learning.
Some of the leadership opportunities and challenges include the following:
Student Success — Students who complete their studies at the College do very well when they transfer and/or enter the workforce. Alumni tend to stay in the community and become leaders. However, a very large percentage of entering students require remediation, and most of them do not persist to successful completion of remedial courses, or qualify to enter and complete degree programs. The leadership opportunity and challenge is to guide the College in developing accelerated remedial programs that quickly prepare students for college-level work; to modify student support systems to help larger numbers of students expand their vision of personal opportunities through education, to persist, and ultimately to graduate; to work with public schools to improve college readiness of high school graduates; and to work with public and private agencies to improve college readiness for adults.
Raise Community Awareness of Community College of Philadelphia — The College has a strong record of serving the educational needs of the community. Those who have studied at or partnered with the College see great value in its programs, faculty and staff, and services. Nevertheless, a substantial number of people, businesses and organizations know little about what the College is and how it may serve the educational needs of the Philadelphia region. The leadership opportunity and challenge for the new president is to be a visible and effective leader in Philadelphia—from its centers of business and civic leadership to its diverse and dynamic neighborhoods, and to guide the College in making the College a place of choice for college-bound students, as well as for businesses and organizations.
Financial Support — The College has a strong record of financial stability, enjoying balanced budgets, clean audits and the maintenance of needed financial reserves. In the past several years, however, neither state nor local support has kept pace with institutional growth and needs. Students are paying a greater share of the costs, and for many students, increasing tuition may place too great a financial burden on their resources. About 75% of students receive some form of financial aid. The College's Foundation raises money for scholarships, and recently the College has been more active in pursuing grants. The leadership opportunity and challenge for the new president is to maintain strong fiscal accountability; work with local and state government to explore new models of public support; provide leadership to the Foundation and help it raise more money, especially for student aid; and to increase fundraising for capital and educational programs.
Campus Climate — Faculty, staff and administrators enthusiastically embrace the mission of Community College of Philadelphia as an urban, public community college. They care about the College and its students. There is a need, however, to build trust among faculty, staff and administration. The leadership opportunity and challenge for the new president will be to re-establish confidence and trust among all employees, leading the entire community to greater student success. The new president must be energetic, engage all employees and be a visible supporter of employees, and publicly celebrate their achievements.
Internal Structure and Service — Through the services they provide, the College staff are committed to their roles and to helping students and other employees. Students, however, report being sent from one office to another and back again to get services or information. Employees report that they confront bureaucratic processes when they need support from another office. It may be that individual programs and services have developed policies and procedures that serve the program well, but that lead to perceptions of red tape to others. Many organizations face similar problems of complexity as they grow, and some organization experts refer to this as a "Silo Effect." The leadership opportunity and challenge for the new president is to foster an environment of teamwork, flexibility, and especially efficiency from the end-user perspective, and to create a culture of collaboration that serves the needs of students first and foremost, and employees.
Board Fiduciary Responsibilities — The fifteen members of the Board of Trustees are appointed by the Mayor of Philadelphia and are responsible to the citizens of Philadelphia to ensure that Community College of Philadelphia fulfills its mission in a responsible, ethical and financially sound manner. The Board does not get and should not be involved in the management or daily operations of the College, but they need good, timely and pertinent information on which to determine the status and future of the College. Currently, too much data overwhelms a Board and too little leads to questions and concerns about operations. The leadership opportunity and challenge for the new president will be to work with the Board and senior staff to develop a comprehensive "dashboard" of data indicators that will help the Board understand status, issues, concerns and progress of the College; and build a relationship with the Board to leverage their resources to advance the College mission.
College Diversity and Equity — Students at Community College of Philadelphia reflect the diversity of the community and include international students, but the faculty of the College are not as diverse. The leadership opportunity and challenge for the new president will be to assist the College in ensuring diversity and equity throughout the institution, as well as in its hiring process and vendor relations.
Educational Programs and Services — More than 70 high-quality degree and certificate programs, taught by well-qualified faculty, have produced outstanding graduates. High percentages of residents in all major urban centers such as Philadelphia, however, lack educational attainment, struggle with literacy and are unable to qualify for the available jobs. The leadership opportunity and challenge for the new president will be to strengthen the existing academic programs and services, as well as help the College work with public and private agencies to increase citizens' successful entry into training and higher education.
Qualifications for the College President
Community College of Philadelphia seeks a transformational and inspirational leader to drive a culture of student success and to build an institution of education and training excellence to promote regional growth and prosperity. The successful candidate will be one who can establish a high standard for quality and develop a dynamic culture of collaboration in support of the College's mission. The successful candidate will be one whose education, experience, achievements and personal characteristics most closely fit the College's leadership challenges and opportunities.
The following is a list of the most important characteristics for candidates:
This search is being assisted by: Robert E. Parilla, Ph.D. (301.518.2071) and Carlos Hernandez, Ph.D. (201.850.7881), Search Consultants at AGB Search.
Presidential Search Committee
|Jeremiah J. White, Jr.
Board of Trustees, Community College of Philadelphia
President & CEO, White & Associates
|Marcus Allen
CEO, Big Brothers/Big Sisters of Southeastern Pennsylvania
|Matthew Bergheiser
Chairman of the Board of Trustees, Community College of Philadelphia
Executive Director, University City District
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Vice Chair, Board of Trustees, Community College of Philadelphia
First Deputy Chief of Staff, City of Philadelphia
|Shalimar Blakely
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Executive Director, African-American Chamber of Commerce of PA, NJ and DE
|Mary Anne Celenza, Ph.D.
Dean of Math, Science and Health Careers, Community College of Philadelphia
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Executive Vice President and Chief of Staff, Esperanza
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Director of Student Records and Registration, Community College of Philadelphia
|Stacy E. Holland
Board of Trustees, Community College of Philadelphia
Chief of Strategic Partnerships, School District of Philadelphia
|Willie F. Johnson
Board of Trustees, Community College of Philadelphia
Founder and Chairman, PRWT Services, Inc.
|Jason Mays
President, Student Government Association, Community College of Philadelphia
|Stephen Spinelli, Jr., Ph.D.
President, Philadelphia University
|Stella Tsai
Board of Trustees, Community College of Philadelphia
Partner, Archer & Greiner, PC
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Executive Vice President of Ministry Operations, Catholic Health East
|Wayne Williams
Assistant Professor and Department Chair, Department of Business Administration, Community College of Philadelphia
Education Services Director, 10,000 Small Businesses Program, Community College of Philadelphia
|Rob Wonderling
President and CEO, Greater Philadelphia Chamber of Commerce
|Arlene M. Yocum
President of Community College of Philadelphia Foundation
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Another lead escapes Padres in series finale
Amarista homers, but host Rays come back off Stults in sixth
ST. PETERSBURG -- The tipping point for the entire weekend came with one out in the ninth inning Sunday, when Padres center fielder Chris Denorfia, who had a rough day at the plate, hitting into a double play and striking out, mashed a ball high and deep to right field.
Tampa Bay outfielder Matt Joyce drifted back, turned, looked lost and then, with his back facing the infield, had the ball drop into his glove just as he reached the warning track.
"I guess I took one away from them, and it's only fair they take one away from me," said Denorfia, who had made a diving catch in center field in the eighth inning.
Yes, it was that kind of weekend for the Padres.
For the third time in as many days, the Padres fell to the Rays, the latest a 4-2 decision Sunday in front of a crowd of 17,396 at Tropicana Field.
And for the third time in as many days, the Padres were reminded of the minute differences between winning and losing.
"Three, well-played, close games that didn't go our way," Padres manager Bud Black said. "We get a couple of pitches back, we win two of three games."
Don't be mistaken: Black's view was not a Pollyanna take on a lost series for the Padres (16-21), who are off Monday before opening a two-game series Tuesday in Baltimore.
The Padres had leads in the fifth inning or later in each of the three games they played against the Rays (19-18), who have won their last five games. For one reason or another, the Padres were unable to close out a victory.
On Friday, reliever Dale Thayer spiked a throw to first base on a bunt play, which paved the way for the Rays to score four runs in the seventh inning of a 6-3 victory.
On Saturday, the Padres got a pinch-hit grand slam by Jesus Guzman in the seventh inning and took a lead into the ninth inning before closer Huston Street yielded a walk-off, two-run home run to Evan Longoria in the bottom of the ninth inning for an 8-7 loss.
"With the exception of Friday, I thought we played pretty well," Padres right fielder Will Venable said. "Saturday and Sunday it was like, hang with 'em. The plays they made, the clutch hitting -- things just didn't go our way."
In the final game of the series, the Padres had a 2-1 lead going into the bottom of the sixth after Yonder Alonso had an RBI single in the fourth inning and Alexi Amarista hit a solo home run in the fifth.
San Diego pitcher Eric Stults (3-3) did not have his best stuff Sunday but allowed only one run through the first five innings.
He got a double-play ball to end the first. He loaded the bases with one out in the second but yielded only a sacrifice fly by Jose Molina. Then, Stults really dodged a bullet in the fifth.
Sam Fuld tripled to begin the inning but remained anchored there after he held, as Guzman made a sliding catch of a sinking liner in left field for the first out. After walking Kelly Johnson, Stults got a ball in on the hands of Ben Zobrist, who bounced into an inning-ending, 5-4-3 double play.
"He battled his command a little," Black said. "It looked as though he wasn't making his pitches. But he competed, battled."
Stults ran out of luck in the sixth, as Longoria doubled and moved to third base on a fly ball from James Loney. On a 3-1 count, Stults threw a changeup low and away to the right-handed hitting Sean Rodriguez, who reached out and poked a bloop single into center field to tie the game.
"I felt like I made a pitch in the location I wanted," Stults said. "He didn't put the best swing on it, but he put it in no man's land. Give him credit."
Stults departed at that point, having walked five and allowed three runs on five hits in 5 1/3 innings with two strikeouts.
"Today, to walk five, that's not my game," he said. "Today was a struggle for me. I didn't have a real good feel for my pitches."
Reliever Brad Brach, who entered the game for Stults, did not either. He uncorked a wild pitch that sent Rodriguez to second base with Yunel Escobar as the plate. Escobar then took a fastball the other way to right field for an RBI double and a 3-2 lead. Loney later added a home run for the final margin.
"It was frustrating, because I know I have to keep that guy [Rodriguez] off second, especially with the game tied," Brach said. "Just one of those things where I yanked it."
The Padres finished with two runs on six hits and struck out nine times, giving them 38 strikeouts in the three-game series.
"We didn't put the ball in play enough in this series," Black said.
Corey Brock is a reporter for MLB.com. Keep track of @FollowThePadres on Twitter. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.


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LAS VEGAS (June 23, 2010) — The National Hockey League today announced the 2009-10 NHL All-Rookie Team, including four players who began the season as teenagers entering their first professional season: 19-year-old defenseman Michael Del Zotto of the New York Rangers, 19-year-old center Matt Duchene of the Colorado Avalanche, 20-year-old defenseman Tyler Myers of the Buffalo Sabres and 19-year-old center John Tavares of the New York Islanders.
Also named to the All-Rookie Team are Atlanta Thrashers right wing Niclas Bergfors, 23, and Detroit Red Wings goaltender Jimmy Howard, 26. Voting was conducted by the Professional Hockey Writers' Association at the end of the regular season
New York, June 23, 2010 – New York Rangers defenseman Michael Del Zotto has been named to the 2010 NHL All-Rookie Team. He is the first Rangers player since Henrik Lundqvist in 2006 to be named to the NHL All-Rookie Team, the first skater since Mike York in 2000, and just the second Blueshirt defenseman ever after Brian Leetch in 1989.
Del Zotto, 19, registered nine goals and 28 assists for 37 points, along with 32 penalty minutes in 80 games this season. He made his NHL debut in the Rangers' season-opener at Pittsburgh on October 2, becoming the youngest defenseman to suit up for the club since 18-year-old Dave Maloney in December 1974. Del Zotto tallied his first career point with the game-winning goal the next day on October 3 vs. Ottawa, becoming the first teenager to score a goal for the Rangers since Manny Malhotra (1998-99) and the second youngest defenseman in team history to accomplish the feat behind Red Garrett. It was also the first game-winning goal tallied by an NHL rookie in 2009-10. Del Zotto went on to capture NHL Rookie of the Month honors for October, leading all rookies in scoring at the time with 12 points (four goals and eight assists) in 14 games.
Del Zotto finished the season ranked first among all NHL rookies in power play assists (18), second in power play points (22) and tied for fifth in power play goals (four). He also ranked second in the NHL among first-year players in hits (162), fourth in assists and blocked shots (92), seventh in points and tied for 15th in goals. Del Zotto led the team in power play assists, ranked second in power play points, third in assists, tied for fourth in points, and ranked fifth in power play goals and eighth in goals. In addition, he led all team defensemen in goals, assists and points. The Rangers posted a record of 20-6-4 when he recorded a point, and were 5-1-1 when he tallied two points. He also registered eight points (two goals and six assists) in a seven-game span, beginning with his 30th point of the season on March 21 at Boston (goal) to April 6 at Buffalo.


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Thread: Linearity
The roaring flamefest in one of the other threads got me thinking about something that has been bugging me the past few nights of playing Uncharted 3. Does the flow of a game at all affect whether it is "non-linear"? Could a game like Metro 2033, which was linear in terms of layout and progression, count as non-linear if it gives the impression of having freedom of choice and finding your own path? Uncharted is almost the definition of an interactive movie. But, when done correctly, it truly feels like you are exploring an ancient ruin and finding your own way. All the hallmarks of a "non-linear" experience.
For the first example, let's consider the concept of hidden secrets and side rooms full of equipment. There is still one main route to the end, but there are a lot of branches that lead to dead-ends or more gear. This allows the gamer to have a sense of exploration while, with proper cues, not interfering with the flow of the level. On the one hand, this still involves funneling and there is only one real route, but it provides a sense of options and choice.
For the second example, let's consider The Bioware Formula of Video Games. Also commonly referred to as the fork-join model of parallelism :p. On the one hand, you have plenty of choice on what to do first and in what order. On the other hand, you still need to do everything and you need to complete everything to proceed past certain checkpoints. Is this a linear game?
For the third, let's consider "multiple paths". You have a single warehouse you want to get into. You have three ways in: Shoot the guard at the front door, talk to the guard at the front door, or use the vent out back. All that changes is how you get into the warehouse, nothing else. Is that non-linearity? What about the same example, but with a bit of dialogue that changes during the debrief?
And finally, something I have been thinking about the more tightly knit open-world games. In particular, the old Fallouts. Yes, those were open worlds that you could do in (almost) any order you wanted to. But the story and progression definitely do their best to railroad you into a specific path with a specific order. Generally, these only "feel" non-linear if they have particularly weak stories that you don't care about (or really good sidequests).Steam: Gundato
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It's an interesting topic. The majority of games can very much be boiled down to a series of linear events, but such is the nature of the majority of stories being told. What makes a game non-linear to me is the amount of options available to you in terms of finishing the game, how you go about doing it, what path you take, what type of ending you want.
Your first suggest, I believe is linear. You have to go from A to B, there might be a present for you if you go down corridor C, but you'll end up back on the path to B, either backtracking or through what was previously a blocked door which you can now unblock. It certainly might provide a better sense of being non-linear than something else that doesn't have these side rooms, but that's just a trick or illusion for want of a better term. Something like the Half Life. It's got plenty of side rooms full of health and ammo, but you always come back to the tracks. So while the Black Mesa facility seems huge and winding, it's really not.
The Bioware games are linear. The "fork" idea that came about with Dragon Age pretty much showed on a second playthrough that while your 40 minute intro game might be different, the rest is the rest is the rest and you've got to tick off all the boxes and you'll end up completing the game the same way almost all the time. Oh sure, you might be a mage one game and a knight the other, but you're still fighting your way through the same scenes over and over.
The third example is the closest I think we have to non-linear game play. Something like Deus Ex. I'm reminded of trying to get into the police station in Human Revolution. Myself and three other friends all used completely different methods to enter that place and get around it, some of us never thought or even saw the other options.
Possibly some of the least linear games are obviously the open world ones. They'll usually have branching paths that will change with you and they almost always give you the option to just "forget" about the main story and go off and do your own thing. Why bother with the main quest of Skyrim when you can become a master thief or a heroic adventurer of ruins.
Overall I think what makes a game non-linear is having choices and choices and choices. It's not enough to just have choices in the map, if you want to be that simple about it then you could argue that maps in CoD are non-linear because I can go to the left or right of a building. You need choices of how to get from A to B, both in means of travel and style. Do I sneak/shoot/converse my way over and do I go through that route, this route, or that route intersected with this route. How do I go about dealing with enemies and npcs? How do I go about changing the ending of the game to what I want it to (or as close to as possible).
This is my opinion. X* stands for a range (A or B or C) and Y* stands for a range of ranges (X* or X** or X***).
A then B: Linear. (AKA: Your "rollercoaster sightseeing" cinematic experience)
A then C then D then E then B: Linear. (AKA: Your "keycard hunt" mode, where the linearity just results in a lot of backtracking) Running back and forth in a set order doesn't mean the game is non-linear. It does, however, mean that the developers are really good at efficient use of space.
A then X* then B: Linear. (AKA: Your "beat door, bluff guard, sneak in window" choice where everything results in the same end anyway) Mass Effect would be a fine example of just how big all those branches that ultimately result in the same ending can be.
A then X* then Y*: Non-linear.
I tend to think of linearity having to do with when you enter that cave, not how many paths there are inside it.
I'm not going to bite. I enjoy playing games more than arguing about them.pass
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Technically, there needs to be branching for non-linearity. The quantity of branching determines the degree of non-linearity...
The semantics aren't the important thing though - what matters is player perception.
imagine two choices: A and B
game logic: player must complete A before doing B
if the player tries doing B before doing A, he will run into a wall and perceive that the game is linear
if the player tries doing A before doing B, he will get a different perception
Obviously the game works better if the player is tricked into doing things in the right order.
I've played linear games that presented choices where I never ran into any walls the first playthrough simply because my inclination aligned with the developer's expectation of what a player would do. Only after replaying the game and running into the walls did I realize that the game was linear.
Note that it doesn't make my first playthrough any less enjoyable... But other players who made different choices the first time around probably thought differently of the game.
I'd classify something like Deus Ex as non-linear, because there are multiple paths to the one objective that are all viable and possible right from the outset. You can take the vent or the front door, you don't have to take the vent then the front door.
By comparison, I'd classify pretty much every other FPS game as linear, including things like Doom. Yes, you can visit the red key door before you have the red key, but the progression is still locked in: you must find the red key before you enter the red door to get to the rest of the map. You must hit that switch to open up the other area.
Backtracking (which is common in older FPS levels) is not non-linear design - you're still on a specific path penned in by keys, switches, and whatever else they're throwing in your path. The fact that you can go either forward or backward without the game going "RETURN TO THE COMBAT AREA! YOU HAVE 5 SECONDS TO COMPLY" does not make it non-linear. Secrets do not make a game non-linear. They're just little extras that largely do not impact on the flow of the level.
I'd pretty much agree with Nalano's assessment, except for things like Mass Effect or GTA IV. While these games do have set story progressions which take an overall linear path (for the most part) they do offer the player a choice in when and in what order to complete those objectives. I'd argue that introduces at least an element of non-linearity - it's a lot more freeform than Doom (since it seems to be the popular "non-linear" argument) because you're not following a mandatory level progression.
That does create a bit of an issue because of the secret levels in Doom/DN3D/whatever, but by and large they're still linear games with a specific progression, a small anomaly like that doesn't really change much.
I'd also agree with Jesus_Phish that the open world games are the most non-linear around, and that real choice is what defines non-linearity. "Oh you can backtrack over there but unless you have the key you can't actually do anything" isn't presenting the player with a choice, it's just the illusion of it because they're still at a dead end. They still have to go to location X to get key Y to open door Z, they can't bypass door Z. The majority of classic 90s/early 2000s FPS games subscribe very heavily to that method, maybe because massive levels weren't really possible on hardware of the time, so backtracking was a way to extend playtime in a map (well, it was getting there by the early 2000s but maps were still relatively small-ish initially).
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Non-linear = non-linear
Illusion of choice kinda seems like nonlinear (and can be the better for it)
Linear = linear.
However there is an important distinction to make: non-linear narratives vs non-linear approach to problems
Non-linear approach to problems - Deus Ex falls in here. You have set of levels which you solve in a variety of different ways - but you can't go 'off the rails' per-se. Less obviously perhaps games like Knights of the Old Republic. You can go to the planets in any order but certain events will trigger regardless of where you are at a certain 'character level'. Also you will have to go to each planet in the end. Ultimately the story ends up in the same place - with only limited variation based on key parameters.
These games are probably 'better' in some ways than linear games - they give an element of choice and an illusion of freedom - though linear games can be good too.
Non-linear-no-narrative - Most multiplayer games really, especially competitive ones. There is a background story to League of Legends but the game doesn't really tell a story - though that doesn't mean there is no drama - or that you could not tell a story of the events that transpired.
Another example is Minecraft. There is no narrative in Minecraft. You may make a story but but you make a story, you are not told a story.
Ultimately Terraria could have done with a overall goal - even one as simple as Mario's 'save the princess'. Goals give your actions a purpose. Whether this is necessary or not is debatable but I like purpose. :)
I find these single player games like this ultimately don't keep me playing as there is no 'finish' to aim for - on the other hand I have played more competitive online games for the sake of playing them more than anything else really.
Non-linear-selfmade-narrative - Similar to the above but with a certain little something extra.
I am thinking Crusader Kings 2 here - but not Europa Universalis or Hearts of Iron. CK2 has enough personality in its characters that you really do make a narrative here - normal wargames lack this "I took Paris, then liberated Belgium" is not the same as "and then my son murdered me and plunged the Kingdom into civil war from which my brother emerged victorious but had to spend the next 20 years reunifying the former territories".
Minecraft lacks interaction with others to make a meaningful story. CK2 manages to make a story with key events and choices.
Ultimately Minecraft gives total freedom to do a very limited number of actions - if you discount building which is of course completely open. But if I wanted to paint a picture I would do that - its not something I enjoy for that long.
Other games are more constrained in what you can do but offer more meaningful choices - and are stronger for it.
Non-linear narrative - pretty rare because its hard to have many branches. Most games that profess to do this are really just linear with multiple endings.
Soldant's arguments seem pretty solid to me. Though I'm not sure how one would classify a game like Super Metroid. Technically it's linear, you're following a straightforward path of progression, obtaining items which are needed to unlock further areas. However, if you master the gameplay mechanics it's possible to get items a lot earlier than you are normally supposed to and you can even bypass some areas entirely. It's non-linear since there are multiple paths open to you, but at the same time one of them is clearly intended to be the "correct" one.
For the record, Metro 2033 did not give me the impression at all that I was finding my own path. And how could it, when it is set in a series of metro tunnels? At the start of the game, you are given a goal, and at no point do you have the option to choose not to pursue this goal. (Except for the very end, but that's, you know, the end.)
It's pretty useless to categorise games into linear and non-linear. Every game that has an ending (or a 'win' state) can be considered linear, because every player has the same starting point, and will eventually arrive at the same conclusion. Shepard will always fight the Reaper fleet. Geralt will always fight the dragon. Adam Jensen will always fight that ridiculous bondage-fetish final boss. The fact that you get a pick of your ending cutscene is just a formality. No matter how convoluted, your path remains a single line, connected at the same start point and the same end point.
I'm deliberately making this a sweeping generalisation to illustrate that just saying 'non-linear' doesn't tell you anything. It's much more useful to ask if a game is a procedural sandbox, open-world, or a hub-plus-missions open approach.
Well, that's what I was saying in the first paragraph. To summarise the other three: the meaning of 'non-linear' depends on the genre.
Almost every game is linear to a degree in that it has a clearly defined beginning, middle, and end. A true "non-linear" game would perhaps be something like minecraft.
I think more important terms than linear are things like "on rails", "guided", and "scripted". Let's use Fallout 3 and COD:w/e as examples. Both are "linear" in that they are story guided games with a clear beginning, middle, and end. CoD however is an on rails, guided experience whereas Fallout 3 gives you a large degree of freedom in how you complete the game.
TL;DR: The term "linear" is an enemy of gaming.
A friend got me thinking on something similar:
As all of us SHOULD know, The Witcher 2 has two major paths for Act 2 and Act 3. But my friend only played it once and thus only knew of one path. And video game conventions make us assume that both choices would lead to the same path.
So that gets us into a "tree falling in the woods" kind of situation: If a gamer is only ever going to play something once, does the other path even "exist"?Steam: Gundato
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SKIPPER Troy Batchelor admitted he has decisions to make regarding his schedule for 2014 following his call-up to the Grand Prix series - but reassured Robins fans he remains fully committed to the club.
The Australian made the leap up into the speedway elite earlier this week following the withdrawal of Russian star Emil Sayfutdinov, adding 12 more meetings to his schedule which already includes weekly matches in Britain, Sweden and Poland.
Batchelor is desperate to make a success of his big chance at the top level and, while he hinted he may have shed some meetings to do so, the Australia captain insisted his commitments with the Robins are still firmly part of his plans.
"Not really," Batchelor said when asked if he was happy with his expanded schedule. "It's something I thought about before but I wasn't in the GP then, it's a different story now.
"There were times last year when I was sick and had four meetings in a week, running out like a zombie, and there were times where I didn't feel like I could give it 100 per cent.
"The GP adds another 12 rounds to the schedule in different countries, which brings a lot of travelling, and I have some thinking to do about where I can cut down. It definitely won't be England or Poland though.
"I don't know what I'm going to do at the moment but England has been good to me and it's still valuable to me. It's worthwhile being here for sure."
Batchelor will use the number 75 while riding in the Grand Prix this season and is keen to use the number he has held since his early years on the bike to help make a brand for himself.
"I've had that number since I was four, racing at home, and it's still my number to this day on my license," he said.
"I'm sure Chris and Darcy had the same numbers all the time too because we were racing together years ago on the dirt tracks back home.
"There's a lot on my plate right now so it's further down the list for me but that's something I'm looking into.
"The GP series doesn't really make you any money and the round I did at Torun last year cost me money in the end, so if you do all 12 rounds then you need some financial backing to help you get through."


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Project Runway Australia, Arena, 8.30pm
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ECS Reveals Bay Trail-D Mini-ITX Lineby Ian Cutress on 10/23/2013 3:32 AM EST
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- Motherboards
- Mini ITX
- Silvermont
- SoC
- Bay Trail
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ShieTar - Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - linkIs it just me, or are many Mini-ITX boards a bit heavy on the legacy connectors?
2xCOM, two PS/2-Connectors, VGA on this one.
And on the other hand, no DP nor DVI, no support for 5.1-Audio or digital Audio, only one USB3.
Is there any market research behind this, that there is a significant number of people trying to replace legacy systems with SFF options, while keeping their old periphery? Reply
Reflex - Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - linkAs pointed out in the article, these are aimed at the embedded market. To that market, which often has to interface with legacy equipment that is kept in operation for decades at a time, legacy connectors are a must have. Reply
Flunk - Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - linkDon't forget microcontrollers, COM ports are a lot easier and cheaper than having to deal with USB. Reply
fteoath64 - Thursday, October 24, 2013 - linkExamples are cash register in your local supermarket running Dos based programs churning away and the standard ATM machine are also DOS based custom devices doing specific functions. Reply
SirMaster - Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - linkWell it has HDMI so that's your up to 8 channel digital audio. IMO S/PDIF is legacy since the advent of BluRay and its lossless audio. Reply
Guspaz - Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - linkS/PDIF can still come in really handy, though, since it makes it easier to run audio and video to separate devices without some box in between. Reply
speculatrix - Thursday, October 24, 2013 - linkyou can get S/PDIF breakout boxes too, allowing you to take an HDMI source and feed, say, a display panel with DVI/HDMI and the digital audio stream to an A/V amplifier.
I definitely need S/PDIF, I'm not going to rush to replace my Yamaha AX1 amp as it cost ~~ $1600. Reply
t.s - Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - linkAgreed. Theres no market research on this. I think people will opt for something like PicoITX form factor and more efficient adapter (like on notebook) rather than this. Reply
iniudan - Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - linkActually the reason for serial port to still be so present on embedded hardware is due to extreme reliability of serial communication and has for the COM they are also there for need to interface directly with connected hardware. Reply
Samus - Friday, October 25, 2013 - linkI use two RS232 connections on my E350 board for my receiver and TV. This way everything is controlled from the PC from power to inputs to volume. I hasn't had an issue using USB>Serial adapters when necessary, but sometimes its nice to have a basic legacy connection. Reply
duploxxx - Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - linkso many negative comments on the product "atom"being to slow that they now change the name to pentium? Reply
Daniel Egger - Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - linkActually seems quite fitting to me since those are cores are based on earlier Pentium CPUs, no? Reply
xdrol - Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - linkNo. They are based on Pentium ISA, what is just effectively saying it is an x86 CPU.. the micro-architecture is very different from Pentiums. Reply
LogOver - Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - linkThe architecture is very different from previous Atom family also. Being OOO-capable Bay-Trail is closer to Pentiums than last generation Atoms. Reply
Senti - Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - linkWhat Intel likes to call "Pentium architecture" is in-order superscalar, so no relation to OOO Bay-Trail. Reply
speculatrix - Thursday, October 24, 2013 - linksee earlier articles on anandtech and arstechnica about why the silvermont atoms are so different from their predecessors, and why these new processors really matter. Reply
wrkingclass_hero - Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - linkIs there a PCI Express slot on there? I want to slap a Titian on it ;D Reply
Gigaplex - Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - linkIt looks like it has a PCI Express 2x slot. A Titan would not fit. Reply
Gigaplex - Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - linkCorrection, 1x Reply
DanNeely - Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - linkYou could dremel open the back end of the slot to stick an x16 card in. Or you could dremel a notch in the titan to turn it into a 1x card. The former is probably easier to do without screwing up though. Reply
Kevin G - Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - linkIt looks like there is no notch to dremel out. This would allow a 16x physical card to fit, though I doubt that it would actually provide the necessary 75W of power to it. Reply
Kevin G - Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - linkAnd like that I'm taking back what I said. There is a notch on the PCIE 1x slot. Reply
Shivansps - Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - linkThat pci-e x1 is 3.0 or 2.0? Reply
nathanddrews - Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - linkLooks like the best x1 GPU out there is the Radeon 5450. Honestly, I'm not sure if that would be better or worse than the Intel IGP... Reply
ShieTar - Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - linkWith 4 EUs at <800MHz, performance should be at around 50 GFLOP/s, so gaming would be a non-option. The Radeon 5450 is rated at 104 GFLOP/s, so it is an actual improvement. And as Ian has seen some drawbacks in Performance even with Dual-Channel DDR3 1333 for gaming, single channel memory might criple the iGPU even more. Technically, there is also a 6450 with around 200 GFLOPs availabe at PCIe 2.1 x1, which should get you almost to the level of Intels HD 4600.
Then again, the 6450 might already be more than the CPU can support. A 30W TDP dual core may be good enough for gaming, but a less than 10W quad-core probably won't be very helpful, specifically not in games that are badly threaded. Reply
Jaybus - Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - linkThe pic shows a regular x1 slot, as well as what looks like a mini-PCI-E slot. Maybe both? That would be great for some embedded applications, since it would allow adding a WiFi card in addition to an open x1 slot for data acquisition or motor controller hardware. Reply
Arnulf - Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - linkThe article mentions two COM ports yet I camnot see them anywhere among the connectors at the back of the board. Are they present as pin headers only ? Reply
extide - Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - linkI would expect, yes. Reply
jasont21 - Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - linkAnyone know of any upcoming Intel Bay Trail mini boards (ie. 3.5" SBC, Nano-ITX, Pico-ITX, some custom format, etc.) with dual gigabit ethernet? Reply
moojoo32 - Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - linkYa, I'd like to see some Bay Trail boards smaller than mini-ITX. They'd be great for some projects I have in mind. Reply
jasont21 - Thursday, October 24, 2013 - linkI've only been able to find the below. Unfortunately, they're targeted towards industrial applications and also use the embedded Bay Trail I chips. That means they're going to be too expensive for individuals only buying a few.
3.5" SBC - 5.75" x 4"
Portwell NANO-6060
Nano-ITX - 4.72" x 4.72"
Axiomtek CAPA841
3.5" SBC - 5.75" x 4"
3.5" SBC - 5.75" x 4" Reply
StardogChampion - Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - linkI hope to see some of these Bay Trail-D motherboards in thin mini-ITX form -- so with on-board power and mSATA. Same for Kabini. We build mini-ITX systems and with these, we can go even smaller. Very exciting! Reply
StardogChampion - Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - linkAny idea how many USB2 headers? I see mSATA -- nice. Reply
DanNeely - Thursday, October 24, 2013 - linkThere's one marked as USB2 next to the battery. I think that might be the only one though; the 4 9 pin headers near the power cable have the opposite orientation. Reply
StardogChampion - Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - linkOh, guess that's mini-PCIe not mSATA Reply
ShieTar - Thursday, October 24, 2013 - linkIf you go any smaller you'd seem to end up building yourself a tablet without a screen, wouldn't you? Reply
Jaybus - Thursday, October 24, 2013 - linkNo. ITX is 17x17 cm. nano-ITX is 12x12 cm. Most of the SBCs are around 12x13 cm. So they are a good bit smaller than a tablet in width and height, but designed for much thicker cases so they can have Ethernet ports, full size USB ports, COM ports, etc. Tablets are thin for ease of carrying and hand holding, but are sorely lacking in i/o capabilities. They really aren't that like a tablet. More like a miniature PC. Reply
DanNeely - Thursday, October 24, 2013 - linkIn addition to what JayBus wrote, the actual main board in a tablet is normally much smaller than the tablet as a whole. You can look at tear-downs on iFixIt; but an inch wide strip running the length of one side is a reasonable abstraction/average. Even the 100x100mm boxes intended to sit between an LCD and VESA monitor stand have room for a PCB than most tablets. Reply
bobbozzo - Wednesday, October 30, 2013 - linkHi, if mini-ITX isn't too big, ASRock has one or two dual-NIC Avoton boards coming soon:
Bob Reply
ls1dreams - Thursday, November 07, 2013 - linkCan someone explain to me the differences between all the different celeron and baytrail chips? I'm seeing things like the Z3370 (z prefix), Jxxx, Exxx, and Nxxx for celerons. Reply
speculatrix - Monday, December 09, 2013 - linkI would be keen to get one of these to replace an ageing Atom N330-based simple file server. Has anyone seen them on sale yet? I would reap power savings and have big performance gains using one. Reply


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Neighbors who live in the Summerbrook subdivision called 911 around 4:45 a.m. after seeing flames coming out of a garage of a home on Radiant Circle.
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It's unknown what caused the fire, but a car was found in the garage where the fire is believed to have started. In the car was a body, but investigators haven't identified if it was a male or female, or the cause of death.
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