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Intel Pentium 4 6xx and 3.73EE: Favoring Features Over Performanceby Anand Lal Shimpi & Derek Wilson on 2/21/2005 6:15 AM EST
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Alfaneo - Friday, August 26, 2005 - link
here is 478 pin result
Run All Summary
3dsmax-03 Weighted Geometric Mean = 16.99
catia-01 Weighted Geometric Mean = 14.27
ensight-01 Weighted Geometric Mean = 20.60
light-07 Weighted Geometric Mean = 12.34
maya-01 Weighted Geometric Mean = 18.69
proe-03 Weighted Geometric Mean = 16.74
sw-01 Weighted Geometric Mean = 14.16
ugs-04 Weighted Geometric Mean = 18.35
blckgrffn - Thursday, February 24, 2005 - linkLet's hope that they don't post it because they know that running 1T is imperative to get good performance number, and thus use it by default. Reply
Hans Maulwurf - Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - linkMany other sites don´t publish their command rate either, this looks very strange for me. Most sites used to publish them before. I don´t understand... Reply
L3p3rM355i4h - Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - linkI'm assuming 1T, although the ammount of pwnage that would occur if it was 2T would be incredible. Reply
Zebo - Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - linkDerek/Anand- Why is it you don't say what A64's command rate was? 1T or 2T? This makes a huge impact on A64's performance (as shown by Anand right here and myself in forums) and is sloppy jounalism to leave out. Sure "other" sites do this crap but not anandtech.:| Reply
Dualboy24 - Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - linkI am just not finding the releases to be impressive lately... I am waiting to see the future dual core etc... perhaps that will wow us all. Its just not like the 90s anymore where it was always an exciting time with CPUs.
Perhaps a battle between 56kbps modem models would prove entertaining :) L()L Reply
I also don't want to see Athlon vs. Intel opinions/flames because I'm not claiming one or the other is better... just asking for objective measurements. Reply
RZaakir - Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - linkneo, are you saying that you have problems running a game and listening to MP3s simultaneously on your Athlon 64? Reply
RockHydra11 - Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - linkDisappointing to say the least.... Reply
neogodless - Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - linkI'm not sure why I got attacked for requesting Multi-tasking benchmarks. I prefer my AMD for gaming, and I prefer the Intel at work where I run lots of programs at once but (unfortunately) never game. It's not a fair comparison anyway because my home machine is limited by only one monitor, while my work machine has two.
Yes, many benchmarks are optimized for Hyperthreading, and if they are synthetic, then it doesn't matter. I'm asking for benchmarks with programs you use every day. If they're optimized for Hyperthreading, then you will see real world benefit from that, when using an HT enabled processor.
When I run games on my AMD64, it gobbles up all the CPU (even if it's an old game) for whatever reason, and I don't find it practical to leave a game running in the background while doing something else. I've done it, and it didn't greatly hinder doing some small task like check e-mail or send an instant message, but I wouldn't intentionally do it, especially if I decided I'd rather listen to Mp3s than finish my game... Reply
KingofL337 - Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - linkWhy would anyone buy a P4 for EMT64? When AMD64 is
a full implementations of 64 not just a poor incomplete copy?
In Soviet Russia, Computer Reboot You!
Zebo - Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - link"The original Prescott was a Sunday launch. "
Well see what I mean..:) Reply
Hans Maulwurf - Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - linkAnd remember hyperthreading - it uses only a small area on the die and increases power consumption significantly!
Oh, and I would still like to know weather it ws 1T or 2T on the Athlon. Reply
Viditor - Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - linkReflex - First, you may very well be quite correct!
Second, not all parts of the die are equal...for example, the ALU runs at twice the clockspeed of the core. The areas affected by 64bit modes MAY be disproportionally higher than the rest of the CPU (I really don't know, which is why I'm asking for a test...).
Third, the design for 64bit on Intel is quite different that on AMD. AMD designed the chip to be hybrid from the ground up, Intel had to "retrofit" their Netburst architecture to accomodate it...while they both function very similarly, their incorporation into the chip is quite dissimilar (e.g. AMD has no double-pumped ALU) Reply
DerekWilson - Monday, February 21, 2005 - linkIntel often does sunday launches --
The original Prescott was a Sunday launch.
And there was at least a couple others that I can't recall at the moment.
I've seen other sites say something to the affect of this being a sneaky launch, and I think don't think that is accurate.
I, for one, would prefer Intel not launch parts on a Sunday. But that's how its been and likely how it will be. :-/ Reply
Zebo - Monday, February 21, 2005 - linkWhat's up with Intel sneaking around in the dark for..Sunday night launches on a holiday weekend told me all I needed to know about this new chip release.
In sure they still sell billions over AMD but the message is clear from enthusiasts prosective. If you want performance, quiet and cool you buy AMD A64's.(ageing I might add) Reply
johnsonx - Monday, February 21, 2005 - linkIn Soviet Russia, message clears YOU!
damn, it's hard to stop....
johnsonx - Monday, February 21, 2005 - linkThe message is clear: Soviet Russia has failed.
Enough already... let's move on to the next catch phrase (if there must be a next one...).
Reflex - Monday, February 21, 2005 - linkVidiator - 64bit uses very little die space, even once activated its not going to consume any really noticable amount of power. On an Athlon64 its estimated to be about 10% of the core. Considering how much larger a P4 core is it would account for even less percentage wise. I am not including cache in that measurement either which as you saw accounts for 50% or better.
So technically it may draw a watt or two, but its not going to change the results significantly... Reply
Viditor - Monday, February 21, 2005 - linkdanidentity - "Power consumption is not going to change depending on whether you're running 64-bit apps or not"
Is there a reason you expect this? My own rationale is that Intel (I'm assuming here) probably dials down a few things (ALU logic, BISTs, unneeded repeaters, etc...) unless the CPU is operating in 64bit only mode or compatiblity mode (as opposed to legacy mode).
As an example, AMD64 doesn't use the extra registers unless it's in one of the 64bit modes...
I don't know if there will be a swing in power consumption, but I am curious to see any empirical evidence one way or the other...
Derek - Thanks for the heads up on the test (Powernow usage...)! Reply
DerekWilson - Monday, February 21, 2005 - linkI noticed a comment about our power numbers showing the 6xx series drawing more at load than the 5xx series ...
This may be due to the fact that we ran our LOAD power test without EIST and the IDLE power was measured with EIST to get close to the min and max numbers.
Our AMD parts, however, were measured at min and max without powernow! ... so the AMD parts have the potential to post numbers even lower. Reply
danidentity - Monday, February 21, 2005 - link#48 - Power consumption is not going to change depending on whether you're running 64-bit apps or not. Reply
Live - Monday, February 21, 2005 - linkNice and clean review. Good work. Tough it is not really what you want to read when the biggest CPU maker in the world releases a whole new series. Boring and utterly disappointing. Reply
Viditor - Monday, February 21, 2005 - linkNice job AT! I appreciate very much the power consumption numbers!
When we do finally get 64bit benches, I would very much like to see the power consumption figures under 64bit... Reply
Viditor - Monday, February 21, 2005 - linkneogodless - "I would like to see more "multi-tasking" benchmarks"
If it makes you feel better, many of the benches used are designed for hyperthreading... Reply
Zebo - Monday, February 21, 2005 - linkA pig with a bowtie is still a pig. This was an arse whippin by AMD. Reply
bobsmith1492 - Monday, February 21, 2005 - link44 - ???
My XP 2.4 runs MMJB, UD Agent, about 10 IE and Mozilla windows, Word, Excel, and Paint, with a game minimized in the background, while chatting with several people on Trillian smooth as silk. Reply
neogodless - Monday, February 21, 2005 - linkEvery time I see AMD vs Intel benchmarks, I think it's great that I have an AMD at home. But then I remember how much I like using my Intel at work. The reason I bring this is up is because I would like to see more "multi-tasking" benchmarks, like running these same benchmarks with programs running the background, such as Outlook/Thunderbird, AIM/GAIM/Trillian, MusicMatch/WinAmp, and so forth. Reply
Houdani - Monday, February 21, 2005 - linkIn Soviet Russia, benches mark YOU! Reply
Billy Idol - Monday, February 21, 2005 - linkReply
johnsonx - Monday, February 21, 2005 - linkIs there no merit at all in running a few A64 vs P4 6xx benchmarks with the current RC build of XP x64? While I've found too many things I need don't work with XP x64 to use it, I did see that 3dMark03 ran fine. I know 3dMark itself isn't 64-bit, bit it does making heavy use of 64-bit DirectX and graphic driver calls. There must be a few more apps and games that could be called on...
Maybe just limit the benchies to two processors, say an A64 3500+ vs. a Pentium 4 650, running the same benchmarks in 32-bit and 64-bit Windows, using just one GeForce 6xxx and one Radeon X8-something.
It'd just be interesting and useful to see which processor runs 64-bit code better, both absolutely and compared to each processor's 32-bit performance.
When the final release version of XP x64 does come out, it may be interesting to have benchmarks from the RC version to see what's improved (though I agree it wouldn't actually be useful in any practical sense).
Or perhaps Anandtech knows something I don't, like the release XP x64 is so close that running benches on the RC would be moot....
SLIM - Monday, February 21, 2005 - link#30 and 36
Hans is right, the 3000 and 3200 cores in the graphs are not available in retail (downclocked 130nm cores) and are meant to show power consumption scaling with speed increases. It's unfortunate that they left out the more interesting comparison (the 130nm 3500+). The only 90nm AMD chip in the power graphs is the 3500+.
coldpower27 - Monday, February 21, 2005 - linkVery strange your the only guys so far that show an increase in power consumption of the P4 6xx Series over the 5xx Series. Reply
Regs - Monday, February 21, 2005 - linkWow, a lot of good comments here. mlittl3, most of the Anandtech's population know that the EE's are just overpriced Northwood's on steroids (Big heads, small balls). And the crayon wax melting comparison made me laugh out loud.
I just find it funny Intel is trying to slap on everything but the kitchen sink on these processors to make them more appealing. What's next? Are they going to come with a microwave toaster oven combo? With all do respect to Intel, to add on such features is not an easy thing to do at a engineering level but once again I feel that their marketing team is still running the show.
But what is AMD doing while Intel performs CPR on their Prescott's? All this news on Intel for the past few months left me nostalgic in what AMD is doing behind the scenes. SSE3 was their latest slap-on feature, but as we saw in your recent AMD article it offered little to no performance gain. AMD's next core has to offer lower L1-l2 Cache latencies. This is the only way I see AMD cornering Intel's Cores performance in every application. But im afraid we won't see any such thing until long-horn comes out in a few years. Until now we have to settle for worthless add-ons features for the desk-top consumers while we see both Intel and AMD battle the server market where Intel is mostly threatened. Reply
HardwareD00d - Monday, February 21, 2005 - linkIn Soviet Russia, Prescott melts YOU! Reply
miketheidiot - Monday, February 21, 2005 - linkwhy do the 3000 and 3200 have signifigantly higher power consumption than the 3500? I thought all 3200 and 3000 are also built on 90nm soi. Reply
RadeonGuy - Monday, February 21, 2005 - linkEven With All the processors haveing 2mb cache they still suck ass Reply
Hans Maulwurf - Monday, February 21, 2005 - link#30 I think the 3000 and 3200 are not really Winchester cores. Maybe clocked down 130 nm cores.
I´m interested in the memory timing of the A64. Is it 1T or 2T? This is an important information, you should always(!) give it the configuration part of reviews. Reply
DerekWilson - Monday, February 21, 2005 - linkOne thing to remember about out power tests --
We measure power draw at the wall. Power supplies are inefficient and magnify power draw at the wall. Power input to the PSU does not scale proportionally to power output. Reply
Brian23 - Monday, February 21, 2005 - linkI thought that all winchesters were 90nm SOI. Reply
L3p3rM355i4h - Monday, February 21, 2005 - link#30 90mm SOI= lower wattage. Reply
Brian23 - Monday, February 21, 2005 - linkLook at the power consumption graph for the A64. Why is the 3500 winchester doing so much better than the 3000 and 3200 winchesters? Reply
L3p3rM355i4h - Monday, February 21, 2005 - link#28 saw almost the same thing at PCPER too. Reply
Aenslead - Monday, February 21, 2005 - linkI could ALMOST swear I saw the VERY same bencmarks last night @ xbit labs... fancy that. Reply
bldckstark - Monday, February 21, 2005 - link227 WATTS!!... My daughter has a crayon maker. It uses a 60W light bulb in a plastic box to melt 3 crayons and pours them into a mold. It melts the wax in about 5 minutes. If I buy a P4 I can melt 11.35 crayons at once. It uses 3.78 times as much energy as is necessary to light my computer room. This is not efficient use of resources. Reply
L3p3rM355i4h - Monday, February 21, 2005 - linksorry to go off topic, but are the forums down or does this terminal suck? Reply
LoneWolf15 - Monday, February 21, 2005 - linkFrom a price/performance standpoint, I can't see many good reasons to buy a P4 six series, and in many cases, a five series either (exceptions being high-end 3D rendering apps and heavy video encoding). Not just because of what price of processor (which doesn't seem to net a huge speed increase) but the increased power draw means a heavier power supply, plus more expensive cooling. Compared to the lower power draw of the Athlon 64 CPU's, as well as a lower price at least at the entry-to-mid level CPU's, I think Intel really needs to go back to basics and create a new CPU architecture. Reply
mlittl3 - Monday, February 21, 2005 - linkOkay, I have an addition to my last comment made about the Extreme Edition being a scam. I did some calculations that were left out my anandtech to see if the 3.73EE is truely better than the 3.46EE.
Everyone knows the differences between the two processors. The 3.73EE has an 8% increase in CPU speed, less total cache overall but 4x the lower latency L2 cache when compared to L3 cache (the XD-bit and EM64T are also added but that will not effect performance at all with 32-bit OS).
With these added features, the 3.73EE should be better than the 3.46EE especially since the Prescott core is supposed to scale well with clock speed versus the Gallatin/Northwood and the 1066 MHz FSB is supposed to give better performance at higher clock speeds. Well, let's look at the numbers.
Using Anandtech's results, I calculated the % difference between the two processors. They varied between -10 (worse) and 30 % (better). I then added up all the scores (I took the inverse of the less is better scores) and divided them by the introduction price ($999) and the MHz of each processor. Here are the results.
Performance per $:
Performance per MHz:
You can do the calculations yourself by using all the benchmark numbers from the two extreme edition CPUs in the review. As you can see, the 3.73EE is worse on a per dollar and per MHz basis compared to the 3.46EE (even though the margin is small, it is still worse for the higher clocked CPU). The Prescott core is a failure IMHO. The 3.73EE is a total scam and the extreme edition processors in general are poor performers. Remember these were released just to offset the marketing of AMD FX processors when Intel got wind of them 1.5 years ago. I don't think Intel was ever going to release them and they keep getting worse and worse.
A scam alert should be issued. Buyer beware! Reply
L3p3rM355i4h - Monday, February 21, 2005 - linkHo Hum, intel is still stagnating. 227 watts load? Jeezus, thats incredible. Reply
mlittl3 - Monday, February 21, 2005 - linkJust a quick, possible correction.
I don't know if you meant to or not, but the comparison of the Prescott vs. Prescott 2M table is missing Windows Media Creator HD and Visual Studio results. Reply
stephenbrooks - Monday, February 21, 2005 - linkThe 3.73 EE was at one stage referred to as the "720" model number. Anyone hear anything more of this? The '20 means 14x multiplier but 14x(1066MHz/4) = 3.73 GHz, so if a 730 was released it would be 4 GHz and so on. Reply
sphinx - Monday, February 21, 2005 - linkI liked the way the info was put into the tables, instead of images. Just an opinion. Reply
jmke - Monday, February 21, 2005 - linkGreat article @ Anandtech, like the power ratings @ LOAD ;)
here's some OC results from X-Bit labs: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/penti...
I've also seen 3.0Ghz 6xx series OC to 4.3 with STOCK COOLING!!! Reply
nourdmrolNMT1 - Monday, February 21, 2005 - linkDranzerk, SLI is not stupid. EE is a marketing gimmick to bring money in, you do what you can do to make money. SLI is a smart thing, but back on subject. i think O/Cing has nothing to do with a processors appeal, they are doing the review for those who want to know what intel is up to, not what it can O/C.
MIKE Reply
Dranzerk - Monday, February 21, 2005 - linkEE is what SLI is to nvidia. stupid. Reply
mlittl3 - Monday, February 21, 2005 - linkIs it just me or is the EE procesors just a big scam? All of the game benchmarks show the 3.46 beating or tieing the 3.73. How can a reputable company like Intel fool consumers with that crap? I want the names of everyone who buys an EE based Dell XPC so that I can tar and feather them in the public square.
I bet I can sell Amway to all those people. :) Reply
mongoosesRawesome - Monday, February 21, 2005 - link"What Intel is counting on is that the increase in hit rate provided by a 50% larger cache will outshine the 17% longer access to L2 cache."
Should be 100% larger cache... Reply
AtaStrumf - Monday, February 21, 2005 - linkOne thing you completely left out of the conclusion, but I think you should definately add is:
Don't buy Intel until they have a chipset out that will support dual core. Reply
danidentity - Monday, February 21, 2005 - linkNice article, but why no overclocking results? That's very dissapointing.
Surely you have a P5AD2-E to test these new chips with. Reply
nourdmrolNMT1 - Monday, February 21, 2005 - linkwhoa.... i got something right.
MIKE Reply
DerekWilson - Monday, February 21, 2005 - linkyou are correct mike (and you too mjz5)
:-) Reply
DerekWilson - Monday, February 21, 2005 - linkYou're in luck -- Anand is writing that one personally. In my opinion he's the best there is at explaining technology so that anyone can understand it.
And we've got "better" pics of cell, but they have boxes and text all over them to tell what block does what ... that's the best "clean" cell pic we've got. Reply
mjz5 - Monday, February 21, 2005 - linknew news!! Nothing new from intel, actually that's not new news :-s... Reply
nourdmrolNMT1 - Monday, February 21, 2005 - linkalso, in the Cell picture, i count 8 cache areas, is there 8 sub processors with their own cache and then a main processor that controlls all the others with its own cache (the dark blue on the right, while the light blue is the sub processors cache?)
MIKE Reply
nourdmrolNMT1 - Monday, February 21, 2005 - link:-)
yea, find a better quality pic of the Cell processor. and please use small words that the small ppl like me can understand especially in the Cell article next week. i look forward to it, but dont want to be all confused like i am on a lot of your high tech articles.
MIKE Reply
DerekWilson - Monday, February 21, 2005 - linkI can only fix 89 broken things at a time :-)
anything else need tweaking? Reply
nourdmrolNMT1 - Monday, February 21, 2005 - linknvm post 3, read this post instead
page 4 = bottom of page 3... fix it.
MIKE Reply
JustAnAverageGuy - Monday, February 21, 2005 - linkIt's fun to watch them add the pages one by one :) Reply
nourdmrolNMT1 - Monday, February 21, 2005 - linkwrong graphs on page 4???
MIKE Reply
AtaStrumf - Monday, February 21, 2005 - linkHe, he, no first post for all you first posters >;-) Reply
AtaStrumf - Monday, February 21, 2005 - linkBla bla Reply


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AMD Announces Radeon R7 250X; Shipping Todayby Ryan Smith on 2/10/2014 12:01 AM EST
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jeraldtapz - Monday, February 10, 2014 - linkI was happy to see a card from Amd at the $100 price point but i am a bit disappointed that it is a rebrand. I am pretty excited about seeing how the gtx 750 will be priced by Nvidia. Reply
yannigr - Monday, February 10, 2014 - linkUnfortunately we are talking about Nvidia and that means usually higher prices than what we would like. I hope they prove me wrong.
Personally I would expect 750 from $115 to $130. Not lower. Reply
owan - Monday, February 10, 2014 - linkI get the feeling of disappointment at seeing something again, but what could you possibly be expecting in this segment. Look at where it slots into the market. The R7 260 has 768 SP's. If you're AMD, you're going to slot in under that, you've only got so much granularity, and you've already got a GPU designed on roughly the same architecture (GCN 1.1 vs 1.0 isn't exactly revolutionary) that has 640 SP's. Seems just about perfect to me. What would a new design bring? True Audio and a couple other minor checkbox features at most, maybe even a few shaders less to give more of a reason for the 260 to exist and save some die space. But in the end, it was almost certainly way more expensive to create a one-off design to slot between 2 low end gpu's just to hit a pice point than it is to re-use an existing die Reply
takeship - Tuesday, February 11, 2014 - linkAt least a move from GCN 1 to 1.1, and the additional of the finer granularity voltage regulation would have been appreciated. Mind you, I'm not upset that they've rebranded lower end 2012 tech for this card, but that nearly the entire R7&R9 lines are rebrands. The 280x & 270x could have really benefitied from a GCN 1.1/1.2 move and the finer clock switching. Reply
Solid State Brain - Tuesday, February 11, 2014 - linkApparently with GCN 1.1 AMD video cards energy consumption when more than one display is connected to the videocard (and enabled) still sucks, mainly because memory clocks don't get decreased in such scenario.
Too few websites test video card consumption with 2 or more display, which is a pity.
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/R7_260X/images/power... Reply
owan - Tuesday, February 11, 2014 - linkThe thing is, a move from GCN 1.0 to 1.1 wouldn't have added much but slightly lower power consumption and a couple other minor features, but would probably have involved a non-trivial amount of engineering. When you're working with limited engineering resources it just doesn't make sense to spend it tweaking existing dies to very limited effect Reply
Darksurf - Tuesday, February 11, 2014 - linkI think its a good thing. The rebrand isn't so bad with the level up on GCN! Now I'll have decent card to crossfire with my AMD A10-7850K APU! Reply
stickmansam - Monday, February 10, 2014 - linkWhat I want is the R9 280 (7950) to take the $300-$250 segement Reply
Beany2013 - Monday, February 10, 2014 - linkMe too - I have a 7770 2gb and I'm looking for an upgrade. Buggered if I'm spending £200+ though! Reply
marc1000 - Monday, February 10, 2014 - linkI knew it, I knew it! "X" and "non-X" versions for all gpus! I knew this was AMD plan all the time. they just kept the secret a little longer. Reply
yannigr - Monday, February 10, 2014 - linkYes but 250 should have been 240X. Reply
MrSpadge - Monday, February 10, 2014 - linkNope - just drop that X and use the last digit in increaments of 5 or so. Reply
piroroadkill - Monday, February 10, 2014 - linkI agree. While we're at it, get rid of the "R9, R7" business.
The R7 250X should just be a 255. Reply
nathanddrews - Monday, February 10, 2014 - linkThe entire R-prefix is pointless, just like GT vs GTX. There is no R5 290X or GTX 730. The GHzE, Boost, Ti, etc. suffixes all indicate something of value, but the prefixes don't do anything.
Ultimately, I don't have a degree in marketing or business, so I am not qualified to make the decision anyway. C'est la vie. Reply
Death666Angel - Monday, February 10, 2014 - linkHuh, no? I mean, the prefixes are stupid and everything should be done by simple numerals. But GTX > GT in terms of performance and R9 > R7. So they do do something. Just something that could be done better by keeping to 785 / 780 / 770 for nVidia or 295 / 290 / 285 / 280 / 270 etc. for AMD. Reply
nathanddrews - Monday, February 10, 2014 - linkIn the old days we had the 7800 GT vs 7800 GTX, but now we have GTX 780 vs GTX 780 Ti. The GTX prefix doesn't mean anything anymore because we know everything we need to know from the model number and its suffix. Likewise, the model numbers of AMD's offerings (2xx) do the same, with higher numbers and the suffix determining superiority.
I can't say I've ever heard someone say, "I'd like a GT-class card" or "I'd like an R5-class card" because there many cards within each classification (whatever that classification means). What exactly does the general classification prefix tell us that is worth knowing on any sort of practical level? Does it matter to OEMs?
We don't have to agree on this, it just seems weird to me that these prefixes are still being used. Reply
Death666Angel - Monday, February 10, 2014 - linkI was disagreeing with your distinction between suffixes and prefixes. I think both are useless in a perfect world. Alas, they are both used to promote different levels of performance. nVidia still has GT cards available, which are their lower performing ones. Not saying they use it well, just saying that it is not a pointless prefix because all have them, they don't all have it.
And I have never heard anyone say "I want an -X card" or "I want a -Ti card", so what's the point? Reply
nathanddrews - Tuesday, February 11, 2014 - linkOn the contrary, you must use the suffix in order to properly distinguish between the cards - 280 vs 280X, 780 vs 780Ti. Reply
phoenix_rizzen - Monday, February 17, 2014 - linkAnd the OP is saying you wouldn't need the suffix (or the prefix) if you used different numbers for each card. Thus, the overly complicated R# ###[X] label becomes a simple 3 digit number:
RADEON ### is much nicer, cleaner, easier-to-understand. Reply
PEJUman - Monday, February 10, 2014 - linkI think the R9 came from 'Radeon 9000' series, they decided to keep some familiarity to the name for layman who expected larger is better. the Radeon 8000 series were OEM only re-brand.
I agree that they should just call these guys 290x, 290, 280x, etc with the X assigned to performance/un-cut GPU.
This whole rebrand BS is officially crazy. Before there is some logical 'decoder ring' to the name: say 55xx to 64xx, increase the gen by 1, drop the family by 1. Signifying the rebranded 'performance' comparison have dropped in the new generation cards.
But now all of this have gone wacky, no rhyme or reason beside the market spot pricing. Reply
yannigr - Monday, February 10, 2014 - linkIf you do that you are going to end up with a 250X model with more shaders than 255. Reply
yannigr - Monday, February 10, 2014 - linkTo be more precise the models should have been
240 : 320 sps
240X : 384 sps
250 : 512 sps
250X : 640 sps
Now we have
240 : 320 sps
250 : 384 sps
250X : 640 sps
No room for a 240X, no room for a 512 sps model. Reply
Flunk - Monday, February 10, 2014 - linkYou're assuming that this is linear and has to make sense. the 240x could have 320 cores but a 10% higher clock. Reply
yannigr - Tuesday, February 11, 2014 - linkYes I thought that about 240X, and yes I assume that when you change the naming after so many years you will try, in the beginning at least, to use it in a way that makes sense.
If 240X is just a speed bump at least 240 and 240X will be close in performance something that it is also true for 260 and 260X, 270 and 270X, 290 and 290X, maybe latter for 280 and 280X. But 250 and 250X are just two models with huge performance difference that can't be justified just with an X and looking at the other cards.
AMD it seems that they didn't wanted to introduce the R7 series without a 250 model, so they really created a mess by baptizing the 240X as 250 a few months ago. That's what I think. For some reason they couldn't give a 512 sps model back then but at the same time their marketing department needed a 250 model. Reply
TheinsanegamerN - Monday, February 10, 2014 - linkI think AMD screwed up big time here. the 250 has 384 cores, the 250x has 640.
but the a10-7850 has 512 cores!
so, if you wanted dual graphics, you either have to waste part of the 250x or hold back the integrated gpu with the 250.
good going there amd... Reply
Ryan Smith - Monday, February 10, 2014 - linkKaveri only has 8 ROPs anyhow. So no discrete GPU is going to be a perfect match in terms of the number of hardware units available. Reply
blzd - Monday, February 10, 2014 - linkNot to mention the whole graphics memory side of the story. Even the best DDR3 will struggle to keep up with GDDR5. Reply

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By Jim McGill, Staff WriterPosted Dec 17, 2012If by BearInsider Staff or Contributor, this article is Copyright © 2017 BearInsider.com
Growing up a Cal fan and playing in the shadow of the Golden Bears in Danville then in Pleasant Hill at DVC, defensive end Kyle Kragen's whirlwind courtship with Cal saw him commit to the Bears on his official visit last weekend.
"It's great to be able to play for Cal," said Kragen. "I grew up a Cal fan, going to their games since I was little. My grandpa has had tickets for like 30 or 40 years."
Cal got in on Kragen's recruitment late in the game but once they did, they moved quickly.
"After the previous staff left and before the new coaches came in, I got a call from Ben Steele, Cal's defensive grad assistant. "He said they were interested in me and that the new staff would pick things up with me soon.
"So far, I've gotten to know Ben, the other GA, Tag McCurdy and Coach Dykes, mainly. He was there the whole recruiting weekend.
"He's really funny and really easy to talk to. He's the most comfortable coach to talk to that I've ever met. You can tell he's just a great coach.
"With Cal's facilities and their success they've had in the past along with Coach Dykes and his new staff and the returning players like Zach, I expect a lot from the program in coming years."
The 6-4/245 Kragen is the son of former NFL star and current Oakland Raiders trainer Greg Kragen. Kragen's father Greg was a nose tackle in his 13-year NFL career with the Denver Broncos, Kansas City Chiefs and Carolina Panthers and played in the 1989 Pro Bowl and in three Super Bowls.
"I wasn't going to play football till my dad encouraged me to give it a try in high school," said Kragen. "Besides that, he's always been hands-off but always there to help when I needed it. He always helped when I asked."
"I kind of wanted him to blaze his own trail," said Kragen's father, Greg. "I wanted him to be sure that football was something he wanted to do versus me trying to force him. I had to make a choice about either being an overbearing parent or backing off and giving him room to make his own decision. I'd like to think I did it the right way but you never know. I figured it would all work out for him.
"Sizewise, he was a little bit of a late bloomer. I didn't start playing till high school, either. I always played undersized my whole career but he might even be ahead of where I was at that stage.
"He was playing linebacker in high school and much of his first year at DVC. And in his junior year, he dislocated his elbow and didn't play much till the end of his junior season so he was behind a little bit but end is really a more natural position for him. This was really his first full year playing there.
"I think Kyle's got a good feel for rushing the passer. As he continues to develop as a defensive lineman being pretty new there still, he'll just continue to get better. He'll have to go out and compete and improve himself and I look forward to seeing the results.
"I'm thrilled for him and proud of him and being able to be a student at Cal is a great opportunity, too. I'd have liked to have gone to Cal myself but didn't have the grades."
Kragen will be joining former San Ramon Valley High School teammate Zach Kline at Cal and the two have been friends in recent years, working out together at Cal Strength in San Ramon. Kragan was a senior when Kline was brought up to varsity as a sophomore in 2009.
"We knew how good he was and were kind of hoping he'd play a little bit more as a sophomore," said Kragen. "He played a little bit early and a little late. You could tell how good he'd be."
Kragen played at a much lighter weight in high school, at around 205 lbs but has added some solid weight in the last year and a half.
"I've been able to gradually work up to where I am now and have found a good balance of weight and explosiveness," said Kragen, who estimates his forty time at 4.7.
Kragen finished fifth in the state with 14.5 sacks along with 65 tackles, 17 tackles for loss and two forced fumbles. He'd committed to Illinois just a week before on an official visit till his visit to Berkeley convinced him he moved too soon.
The 3 star end played with one of the top junior college players in the country in current USC starting defensive end Morgan Breslin last season and the success of Breslin rubbed off in a big way on Kragen.
"Morgan's one of my best friends," said Kragen. "I talk to him all the time and record every one of his games and analyze every snap. We talk about what he was thinking in different situations.
"He had a lot to do with my success with me being able to incorporate some of the moves he taught me."
Breslin had good things to say about his protoge, as well.
"Kyle's a quick learner and he has the athletic capability that allow him to execute what he's been taught," said Breslin.
"Kyle is scrappy. That's the best way to describe him."
If Kragen can play in the mould of Breslin or like his father, Greg, the opportunity to have an impact is definitely there for him.
"I think I'm different than a lot of players in that I'm really focused in what I'm doing and in finding ways to get to the quarterback," said Kragen.
A 3.2 gpa student, Kragen will be a mid-year entrant at Cal since he was a full-qualifier out of high school and will enroll at Cal next month after signing this week.
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Twelve Million American Women Own Guns, Should You?
"In the women's gun movement, Paxton Quigley is the great persuader."--Morley Safer, "60 Minutes"
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I've recently been told that there's been an increase in minority women learning how to shoot gun in a number of cities, such as Detroit, St. Louis, Cincinnati, Savannah and Dallas.
"Minority women are definitely increasing in numbers," Rick Ector, a firearms instructor, said of attendees at his weekly course just outside of Detroit.
"Women overall — in particular, minority women — are looking toward guns to protect themselves against crime," Ector said. "Women are definitely drivers in the market right now."
The reasons cited for an increase in gun ownership among minority women are varied. Ector noted an increase in rape cases in the Detroit area and said, "There's a huge rape problem here in the state of Michigan." When Ector started as an instructor 10 years ago, he said he typically encountered only one woman in a class of about 15. Now, he said, "women make up half the classes."
John Lott, of the Crime Prevention Research Center, published data in July showing a general upward trend in the percentage of people with permits to carry a concealed firearm are women in seven states — including Arizona, Florida, Indiana and Louisiana.
In a paper titled, "Concealed Carry Permit Holders Across the United States: 2016," Lott wrote that, "While whites still hold the vast majority of permits, the number of black permit holders has grown more than twice as quickly as the number of white permit holders."
"Concealed carry has increased most rapidly among black females," Lott concluded. "From 2000 to 2015, the rate of growth was 3.81 times faster than among white females."
Women defending themselves with guns
kgw.com: Portland woman shoots and kills home intruder
This is important news for all of you who believe in the right to defend yourselves. If you have friends who doubt your position, please send them a link to my site so that they can hear about a real live situation.
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"Local defense attorney Edward Kroll says, given how the laws are written in Oregon, … because a homeowner has the right to defend themselves in most cases. … So jerry couldn't pull out a gun and shoot him under Oregon's laws"
Larry Parks interviews Paxton Quigley about her book Armed & Female: Taking Control
For five years prior to her work in women's security Paxton Quigley was an executive for Playboy Enterprises, reporting to Christie Hefner, CEO. She is on the Board of Governors of Impact/Model Mugging of LA, and took first place in the Charlton Heston Celebrity Shoot, Women's Division, 2 years running. Her message of women's empowerment hb aired on more than 300 TV and radio shows including The Today Show, Good Morning America, Oprah Winfrey, Larry King, Regis and Kathy Lee, Hard Copy, The NBC Nightly News with Tom Brokaw, 60 Minutes, CBS Evening News, Fox and Friends and many others.
Paxton was interviewed and profiled in the WSJ, the LA Times, Chicago Tribune, Miami Herald, NYT, Wa Post, and just about every major media outlet there is.
She is the author of 6 books and is here to talk about her latest, Armed & Female: Taking Control.
Some of the issues discussed during the interview are:
- I understand from your first book, which was written in 1989, that you were anti-gun before you decided to write Armed & Female. What made you change your mind?
- Story about women driving alone long distances.
- Talk about your experience holding classes in Los Angeles after the Rodney King Riots in 1993.
- What is the perception of gun ownership by women? How many own guns?
- Over the years, have there been any changes in women's attitudes toward guns?
- I read that you have taught 7,000 women how to shoot a handgun. Who are these women and what was their motivation to get involved?
- What are the gun laws in NYS and in NYC regarding carrying a concealed weapon?
- I've read in the press that people are more likely to be killed by brandishing or trying to shoot an intruder? Is that true?
- You have written two sequels to your original book–the last one being titled "Armed & Female: Taking Control" in 20ll. Why did you do that?
- Experiences in other countries, e.g., pre-war Germany. What happened?
From New York Social Diary – Armed and Female
By David Patrick Columbia, New York, Published: February, 2015
PI went to Michael's to lunch with Pax Quigley who is an old friend from Los Angeles and now lives here (and in Miami, still unable to withdraw from the Sun). Pax and I met over the phone, introduced by a mutual friend in 1980. We talked for the better part of an hour and that was it; we're still talking. She was an executive with Playboy at the time. Playboy , namely the lifestyle of Hugh Hefner was always interesting conversation around Hollywood. For a lot of reasons having to do with (male) stars and the Bunnies…
From Sueddeutsche Zeitung, the leading German National Daily, November 9, 2013.
By Kathrin Werner, New York, Published: November 9, 2013
Paxton Quigley created a handbag where you can safely carry weapons and accessories; it is black, plain, made of leather and is called "Pax" – like "peace" and as her first name. Quigley does not think too much of all the "pink" products. "They are too girly, I 'm against it ," she says. "It makes the weapons look frivolous. Weapons are a serious thing." Quigley is a guru for the women's movement and weapons. She looks a little like she was coming from the TV series Dallas: blonde, perfect hair-do, perfect smile, she does not tell her age. She has written four books in which she explains why women should have firearms. And she's a shooting teacher, having taught over 7000 women how to handle weapons. "I have a small army" she says. For a while she worked as a bodyguard, among the many of them, Yoko Ono.
Quigley hated weapons all her life, she says; she was a democrat, even a relatively left. Some of her old friends have turned away from her since she fights for arming women. Sometimes it deters men from going out with her. But there was this key experience: It was the middle of the night in 1988, when the call came. A good friend was on the phone, in tears, she was brutally raped in her own home. Quigley took the girlfriend to the hospital and asked: If you had had a gun, could you have fought back? Yes, said the friend. "Back then I swore to myself that such a thing will never happen to me," Quigley said today, " Weapons prevent rape." She learns to shoot a gun, buys a gun, the gun-hater becomes a gun advocate.
Clips From Last Night: Gun advocate talks about the feminine appeal of firearms
Clips From Last Night: Gun advocate talks about the feminine appeal of firearms
Piers Morgan, February 21st, 2013
The author of "Armed and Female, Taking Control," Quigley addressed gun manufacturer marketing campaigns that are geared to a female audience, and the ways in which such advertising impact sales:
"I think they're [gun manufacturers] marketing that way, but I don't think women are following in that way," she told the host.
"In most cases, I would say that women go to a gun store. And even before they go to a gun store, they first learn how to shoot and they're not shooting pink guns," said Quigley.
Gun ownership on the rise among women
A Gallup poll reported that in 2005, 13 percent of all women owned a gun. That number jumped to 23 percent in 2011. Many women say they are buying guns to protect themselves. NBC's Stephanie Gosk reports.
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Why gun ownership among US women is climbing
"Why gun ownership among US women is climbing"
The Christian Science Monitor, February 14, 2013
By Allison Terry, Correspondent
Fifteen percent of America's women own guns – a small but pronounced increase from six years ago, a recent poll found. Personal safety is the motivation, but some argue that a gun at home makes women less safe.
Owning or carrying a gun remains mostly a guy thing, but American women who pack heat – or at least keep a pistol in the nightstand drawer – are often Exhibit A in the case for broad access to firearms for personal protection.
The opposite contention, that having a gun in the house actually makes women less safe, is the rebuttal from those who say the country needs to make guns less accessible.
As Congress, President Obama, and the nation debate the need for stricter gun laws, women's safety is emerging as a heated and emotional issue – and one that is almost impossible to "prove" on one side or the other. Every time gun rights defenders cite an incident of a young mother defending herself and her children by shooting an intruder, gun control advocates point to a woman fatally shot in a case of domestic violence.
But it would appear that as women themselves do the calculus, a small but growing share is coming down on the side of having a gun. The gun-gravitation is not drastic: 15 percent of women in the US own guns. That, however, is up from 12 percent as recently as 2007, according to a Gallup poll released earlier this month.
Julie Warren, a consultant in Colorado Springs, Colo., keeps a handgun in her house for safety and recreation. After serving in the Air Force, she doesn't think twice about having it.
"There is peace of mind," she says, "knowing that you have something you can do to overpower anyone coming through the door."
Broadly speaking, polls show women are more inclined than men to support new gun control proposals before Congress. Women support stricter gun laws in general – 62 percent compared with 40 percent of men, according to a Quinnipiac poll released Feb. 7. Sixty-eight percent of women support a nationwide ban on the sale of assault weapons, versus 44 percent of men, and 65 percent of women favor a limit on high-capacity ammunition magazines, while 46 percent of men do, the poll found. Both women and men overwhelmingly support background checks for all gun buyers, 94 percent and 90 percent, respectively.
But the argument that women need guns for personal safety and home defense resonates with many women – some of whom see government efforts to curtail gun access as a threat to their rights.
"We always hear about a woman's right to choose, and we are women who want the right to choose how to protect our lives," says Jenn Coffey, national director of legislative affairs for Second Amendment Sisters, a women's advocacy group with the motto "self defense is a human right."
"Gun-control laws degrade our rights, and put more rights in the hands of criminals," Ms. Coffey adds.
Aside from polls showing an uptick in gun ownership among women, there is other evidence that women are becoming more familiar with firearms.
The National Rifle Association, for one, is conducting more training sessions directed at women. Its Women on Target program, which started in 2000 with 500 participants, had 9,500 attendees in 2011. (The NRA does not release figures for membership.)
For another, Coffey says her local chapter of Second Amendment Sisters, in Andover, N.H., has seen a big upswing in participants at its safety trainings and target practices. The Texas-based organization, founded in 1999, now has more than 10,000 members across the US.
Women also appear to be taking greater part in gun sports. Five million women took part in target shooting in 2011, a 51.5 percent jump from 2001, according to the National Sporting Goods Association. Women who hunt increased 41.8 percent in the same period, from 1.8 million to 2.6 million, according to the association's annual sports participation reports.
But personal safety is the overriding reason women become interested in guns, at least initially, experts agree.
"Women typically own guns for safety reasons, then branch out to target shooting and hunting," says NRA spokeswoman Stephanie Samford. "Men, on the other hand, get into guns for hunting. Safety is a secondary concern."
Paxton Quigley, the author of women's self-defense and gun books, says broad lifestyle changes – women waiting longer to get married, choosing to live alone, and more ofter serving as head of household – coincides with women's rising interest in guns.
"There is a different attitude now, that women need to take responsibility for their own safety," she says.
In the past 20 years, Ms. Quigley has taught more than 7,000 women how to use a handgun – women who aren't necessarily ardent Second Amendment supporters, but ordinary citizens who want to protect themselves.
"I've taught women from all walks of life – housewives, doctors, lawyers, and teachers," she says.
Doubts persist, however, about the degree to which a gun improves personal safety. Having a gun in the home creates more risk, including higher rates of homicide victimization, suicide attempts, and accidental shootings, studies show.
A 2006 Gallup Poll found that 49 percent of women thought having a gun in the house made it more dangerous, while 39 percent thought it made the house safer. According to a recent Monitor/TIPP poll, 46 percent of households have guns.
A gun in the home can put women at higher risk of personal injury, says David Hemenway, director of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center in Cambridge, Mass.
"There is little evidence that guns are effective when it comes to self-defense," he says.
In his book "Private Guns, Public Health," Dr. Hemenway argues that in high-gun states (determined by average levels of household gun ownership), the rates at which women experience gun violence are higher than in low-gun states: 3.5 times higher for gun homicides, 6 times higher for gun suicide, and 7 times higher for accidental death by gun.
Nationwide, 52 percent of homicides in which women were the victims (about 1,700 in 2010) were committed with firearms, according to the Violence Policy Center's analysis of 2010 FBI homicide data.
"Statistics show that when females are killed, it's more likely, over 50 percent of the time, to be by a spouse or household member," said Baltimore Police Chief Jim Johnson during a Senate hearing on gun violence Jan. 30. "A gun in a home where there is a history of domestic violence, statistics show that there is a 500 percent increase of chance that that person will be victimized by gun violence."
Simone Smith, a marketing director in San Francisco, says she chooses not to rely on a gun for personal safety, but rather focuses on ways to reduce the likelihood of attracting criminals.
"I don't want to have a loaded gun under my bed," Ms. Smith says. "I wouldn't sleep well."
She has nothing against guns – she grew up in a family that used guns for recreation – but she says there are more effective things women can do for their personal security.
"Being aware of your neighborhood, making sure your curtains are closed, and having someone you can call will make more of a difference than having a gun," Smith says.
Some gun-rights supporters – including women with guns – say some additional firearm controls, such as an assault-weapons ban and limits on high-capacity magazines, would help to curb gun violence.
"Handguns are more than enough for a woman to protect herself," says Tom Cheffro, owner of Boston Firearms Training Center.
Amy Forbes, a teacher from Peabody, Mass., took Mr. Cheffro's firearm safety training course so that she can apply for her firearm's license and eventually buy a gun – one that would be easy for her to handle.
"You just don't know what will happen," Ms. Forbes says. During the hands-on training course, she learned safe handling and shooting techniques, which she says make her feel prepared for owning a weapon and defending herself.
But she supports stricter background checks for all gun sales to try to keep guns out of the hands of people with mental-health issues.
"I would support requiring a doctor's note before being able to get a gun license, so people have to prove they are mentally stable," says Forbes.
Read the article at The Christian Science Monitor "Why gun ownership among US women is climbing"
"Female Gun Owners Drawn to Way of Life", Atlanta Constitution
"Female Gun Owners Drawn to Way of Life"
Atlanta Constitution, February 11, 2013
By Katie Leslie
Sydni Lee has lots of hobbies. She knits. She quilts. She raises money for three-day breast cancer walks. And she shoots guns. At least once a week, the 29-year-old Dahlonega woman visits the Bulls Eye Marksman Gun Club in Cumming. And every other Thursday, she meets with a group called Sisters in Arms for a ladies' night at the range. There, they try out each other's pieces, hold target practice and afterward head to a nearby restaurant for margaritas. For Lee, owning and shooting guns isn't a political stance. She's not one to dish about gun policy. Shooting is a sport and, more importantly for her, a social outlet. "When you're not from an area, you're always looking for a way to meet people," explains Lee, who moved to Georgia seven years ago. "I'm from Texas, where (guns) are a way of life."
How many women practice that way of life, owning or regularly shooting guns, is a subject of endless debate. Despite recurring news stories and reports indicating that more women have taken up arms for sport or protection, the evidence is sketchy and in some instances contradictory.
Pro-gun advocates point to surveys that show an increase in the number of women participating in hunting and shooting sports. Anti-gun activists present research suggesting the opposite — that gun ownership has remained flat, if not on the decline, for 30 years.
Definitive numbers simply don't exist. Federal laws prohibit The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives from keeping registries of gun owners. Shop owners don't know whether a buyer is purchasing a firearm for herself or as a gift. And though Georgians who apply for weapons carry permits indicate on the application whether they are male or female, neither county nor state officials compile gender statistics.
Overall, the number of U.S. households that own guns has declined in the past few decades. In 1977, more than half reported owning a gun; today it's less than one-third, said Josh Sugarmann, founder and director of the Violence Policy Center. On the other hand, the people who do own guns tend to have more of them.
Tom Smith, who directs a center dedicated to social science research at the University of Chicago, has studied household gun ownership for several decades. He's found that the number of women who report personally owning a gun hasn't changed much since 1980. The latest data, from 2010, shows that 10 percent of women report owning a firearm.
In general, women are one-fifth as likely to own a gun as men, he said.
Another study, by researchers at the University of California at Davis, found roughly similar numbers. Based on multiple national surveys, they estimated that 7 percent to 8 percent of women and 26 percent to 30 percent of men own a handgun.
Such numbers tell only part of the story, because so many women have access to guns through other members of their household, said Mary Zeiss Stange, a women's studies professor at Skidmore College. Even though a woman may not see the weapon as her possession, she may use it, said Stange, who has written books on women and firearms.
"The precise rate of women's gun use, exclusively by women, is hard to gauge," said Stange, an avid hunter.
Anecdotal evidence does suggest that more women are arming themselves. The number of women participating in target shooting increased from 3.3 million to 5.1 million between 2001 and 2011, according to the National Sporting Goods Association. The association also found an increase in women who hunt. And several gun shop owners interviewed for this story reported seeing more female customers and women enrolled in gun safety courses than in previous years.
Paxton Quigley, author of "Armed & Female: Taking Control," said long-term demographic and social trends impel many women toward guns.
"A lot of that has to do with changes in women's position in society," said Quigley, who says she has taught more than 7,000 women to shoot. She herself took up arms in the late 1980s after a close friend was sexually assaulted.
With the decline in the marriage rate, more women are living alone, more women are raising children alone and more women are working, she said. The net result: "More and more women are learning how to shoot for self-defense," she said.
Liza Kirby, who coordinates the Sisters in Arms club at the Cumming range, notes that many married women also want to feel competent to defend themselves. "It's not the '50s anymore where the husbands took care of everything," she said.
For her part, having a gun is part of rural life. Her husband owns rifles for hunting, while she prefers handguns for target practice and home defense, particularly against varmints. Kirby, 56, keeps a Smith & Wesson .38 Special in a kitchen drawer to scare off animals that threaten her chickens.
But Sugarmann, of the Violence Policy Center, isn't convinced by reports of an increase in female gun ownership. "I would put it this way: I'm highly skeptical," he said. "I've seen this push every five or six years."
He understands why such stories tend to persist in the culture. Female gun ownership is undoubtedly a sexy topic. "It's fun, it's cool, it goes against what people expect," he said.
The gun industry has also marketed aggressively to women in recent years, in part to offset falling ownership among men, said Smith of the University of Chicago.
"They knew women were underrepresented and now they gave them a rationale: not to shoot the 9-point buck, but the assailant who will break into your house," he said.
It's a sales pitch that resonates for many women.
Chloe Morris was staunchly anti-gun until 2008, when her aunt was beaten, tied up and held hostage for ransom with her children in her DeKalb County home. After that, Morris' aunt and mother began building an arsenal, she said.
But it wasn't until Morris' mother bought her a firearm and she attended a gun safety course that she felt comfortable with guns.
"The class changed my life," said Morris, who soon became a regular at the range and eventually a pistol instructor. She's now a recruiter for the NRA.
She teaches for free, she said, focusing on helping women become comfortable with guns. She believes women hesitate to own the weapons because of cultural conditioning.
"When you're little, boys are taught to play with guns and girls are taught to play with Barbie dolls," said Morris, 30, whose other hobbies include writing a food blog. "Once you know more about safety and you go to class, you know you can use it responsibly."
Katie Jones Gant said responsibility is exactly why she's learning to shoot. Gant, of Atlanta, was neutral toward guns until she married a homicide detective. Now the mother of two believes that if her husband keeps guns in the house, she should know how to use them.
Gant, 29, pointed to the recent story of a Loganville mother who shot an intruder as a nightmare scenario in which the good gal won. "As a mom, and really as a woman gun owner, I'm not looking for a fight," said Gant, a makeup artist by trade. "I don't want to use my gun on someone and I hope I don't have to, but if someone puts me in that position or threatens my kids, absolutely."
Sydni Lee of Dahlonega, a transplanted Texan, shoots at a shooting range as a way to meet people
Chloe Morris, from Johns Creek, shoots her Glock 17 at the Bulls Eye Marksman Range in Cumming. Sisters in Arms and A Girl and a Gun are women's shooting groups that regularly hold events at the club.
Read the article at Atlanta Constitution "Female Gun Owners Drawn to Way of Life"
New York Magazine: "Rise of the Female Gun Nut"
"Rise of the Female Gun Nut"
By MARIN COGAN, Published: February 7, 2013
When Niki Jones, a longtime New Yorker relocated to Austin, Texas, needed a group to practice using her new concealed-carry weapon with, she was shocked that she couldn't find a woman-friendly league. So in July 2010 she founded Austin Sure Shots, a free, women-only gun club focused on target shooting. Soon their ranks swelled to almost 300; a local firm of current and former military and police firearms instructors took the women under their tutelage, teaching them defensive shooting. After learning to shoot semi-automatic AR-15 style rifles, a dozen of the women decided to make custom versions of the gun. Niki had her AR-15 railed handguard coated white and named the gun "Snow Queen." Another Sure Shot, Mandy, had hers painted periwinkle and decked out in daisies. Other women had their handguns custom-coated pink and decorated with cupcakes and Hello Kitty.
Spend a few minutes scrolling through the websites of gun dealers and you might be forgiven for thinking America is a nation of Gayle Trotters: women using the language of feminism to demand the "right to choose to defend ourselves," as the gun-rights activist put it in her Senate testimony last week. Three of the top six U.S. gun-makers — Smith & Wesson, Remington, and Sig Sauer — have pages or products dedicated to the prospective female gun owner, offering smaller lightweight models, shorter trigger pulls, and grips designed for smaller hands. There are rifle cartridges designed to reduce recoil, holsters designed to fit between a woman's décolletage, and high-end concealed-carry purses. There's a lot of pink: pink camouflage gun cases and pink Pumpmaster Air Rifles and pink tipped bullets and pink assault rifles.
Trying to determine the exact number of women who own guns in America is, like every other aspect of the gun control debate, controversial. "We don't have fresh data. We don't have anything new — that's a huge problem," notes journalist Caitlin Kelly, who struggled to find solid, impartial data while researching her book Blown Away: American Women and Guns. Wayne LaPierre of the National Rifle Association would have you believe the number is 30 million; more conservative estimates put the number at 15 million. A 2011 Gallup survey put the number of women who reported personally owning a gun at 23 percent, as opposed to 46 percent of adult men — 10 percent more than they measured two years prior. Nevertheless, according to an aggregate five-year study from Gallup, men are three times more likely than women to own a gun. A recent General Social Survey put the number of women gun owners closer to one in ten.
It's not an accident that women have become more visible as gun consumers. In the late eighties, after a slump in sales, gun-makers turned their attention to women customers, both to respond to the female gun enthusiasts already among them and to spread into a new market of women who were gun curious. In 1989, Smith & Wesson released a line of LadySmith handguns. The same year, a gun enthusiast named Sonny Jones launched Women and Guns magazine, a journal that reviews gun accessories and celebrates female firearm owners. Pro-gun group Second Amendment Foundation acquired the magazine a few years later; Jones went on to run an NRA program for women's self-defense called "Refuse to Be a Victim." Over the years, the NRA has expanded female outreach efforts to include shooting clinics, hunting groups, and wilderness escapes.
"As far as gun manufacturers, I think they are finally beginning to take notice of the sheer number of women shooters that are out there," Niki Jones, the Sure Shots founder, said in an interview. "Some seem to still be a bit tentative and consider including pink accessories in their product line as 'catering to women,' but most are actually really starting to get it." Several manufacturers, she notes, have supported her league, sending new products for them to test and evaluate, the same way cosmetics manufacturers send product samples to women's magazines.
Much as feminist writers criticized Trotter last week for insisting that guns were a "great equalizer" making women safer from violent crime, women's groups and feminists have long been critical of gun culture. In 1992, following public outcry, the editors of Ladies' Home Journal apologized for running a full page Colt ad depicting a mother tucking her child into bed above two semiautomatic weapons. "Self-protection is more than your right … it's your responsibility," the ad read. In the ensuing controversy, a Smith & Wesson official pitched the new efforts as a sign of feminist progress: "Firearms are one of the last bastions of male dominance," he said. "Today, in 1992, it's OK for women to be CEOs of companies and go into space as astronauts, so why shouldn't they own guns?"
The efforts to convince more women to buy guns appalled many in the feminist movement, including Betty Friedan, who called the effort to cast gun ownership as feminist a "horrifying, obscene perversion of feminism" and helped create Women Against Gun Violence, in part to organize women, a majority of whom favor gun control, and to raise awareness about the increased risk of death for women who live in homes with guns, especially the victims of domestic violence.
Nevertheless, the role guns play in male-on-female violence came up last week in Gayle Trotter's testimony, too. When Senator Sheldon Whitehouse questioned Trotter's opposition to banning assault rifles, she retorted, "You are a large man, tall man, a tall man … You cannot understand. You are not a woman stuck in her house, not able to defend her children." A similar debate happened in 1990, when Paxton Quigley, a pro-choice Democrat, emerged on the scene. Quigley said she was against guns until one of her closest friends was raped by a home invader. "I said, this is never going to happen to me. I'm going to learn how to shoot," she remembers. At the time, none of her friends knew how to use a gun, and all of them discouraged her from learning. "I started doing research and there was a Gallup poll done at the time that said 12 million American women own guns for self-defense and there were no books written on the subject. I said, I'm going to write a book on it." Accordingly, Quigley published Armed and Female: Twelve Million American Women Own Guns, Should You?, making her the self-appointed poster girl for the empowered lady gun owner. Smith & Wesson took her on as a spokesperson and sent her to tour the country, giving gun-shop talks on self-defense, autograph-signing, and shopping advice for women who wanted to know which gun might work best for them. "I always felt that by learning how to shoot a gun it does give a woman more of a feeling of empowerment," Quigley told me. She is quick to note, however, that she supports stricter gun control measures.
Today there's a new wave of Paxton Quigleys connecting and finding audiences online, including forums like the Girl's Guide to Guns, a publication from L.A.-based gun enthusiast Natalie Foster that features advice on purchasing handguns, a reaction to this summer's Aurora shooting, and instructions for DIY shotgun shell ornaments; and Packing Pretty, a blog from 25-year-old Gracie McKee, an NRA instructor who wears pink polo shirts and once posted a video demonstrating how to carry a concealed weapon under a little black dress. There are concealed-carry fashion shows and meet-ups like at the first annual A Girl and a Gun National Conference, to be held next month in Waco, Texas, and with sponsorship from Smith & Wesson. No word yet on whether man cards will be passed out or revoked.
Read the article at New York Magazine: The Cut – Rise of the Female Gun Nut


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7th Annual Springfield BridgeWalk Is Aug. 26
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Participants should gather in the parking lot adjacent to Kinko's, 6998 Bland Street on the north side of the bridge, starting at 7 p.m. At 7:30 p.m., participants will march across the bridge, led by a color guard from the American Legion. (The bridge will be closed to traffic during this time.) The walk will end in the parking lot of the American Legion where participants will enjoy music by the Kings Park Concert Band. Light refreshments and prizes from local businesses will be included in the festivities.
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