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"His wife named Uzumaki Kushina with the red-long hair.- oleh COBEBUBE" What was that? --Narutodude (talk) 04:38, September 24, 2009 (UTC)Narutodude
- That was vandalism. When you see something like that, feel free to remove it..--AlienGamer--Talk (contribs)-- 07:03, September 24, 2009 (UTC)
I knew that. Just didn't know who did that. So I waited --Narutodude (talk) 22:08, September 24, 2009 (UTC)Narutodude
Hiruzen himself says that there's a soul bound to Orochimaru's Edo Tensei technique that doesn't belong to those he resurrected, so the First and Second Hokage are obviously not trapped within the Death God, only Minato and the Third. Jules R. J. Blake (talk) 04:04, November 26, 2009 (UTC)
- What? When? Where? --ShounenSuki (talk | contribs) 08:21, November 26, 2009 (UTC)
- During the Orochimaru vs. Hiruzen fight, when he was getting ready to use Shiki Fuujin. He said that he must do something about the souls bound to Edo Tensei. Jules R. J. Blake (talk) 08:30, November 26, 2009 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, but I cannot find any mention of the soul bound to the Edo Tensei summon not actually being that of the resurrected. --ShounenSuki (talk | contribs) 08:39, November 26, 2009 (UTC)
- Jules R. J. Blake i think you might be thinking of when orochimaru was talking with Tsunade about resurrecting her loved ones, and needing 2 sacrifices Fawcettp (talk) 11:13, November 26, 2009 (UTC)
- During the Orochimaru vs. Hiruzen fight, when he was getting ready to use Shiki Fuujin. He said that he must do something about the souls bound to Edo Tensei. Jules R. J. Blake (talk) 08:30, November 26, 2009 (UTC)
All Hokage have had some connection to each other: The First and Second were brothers, the Third was the student of the Second, The Fourth was the student of Jiraiya, who was a student of the Third, and the Fifth is the granddaughter of the First, the grandniece of the Second, and the student of the Third. When Kakashi was considered for the position of the Sixth, his connections to the past Hokage almost cemented his selection as he was a student of the Fourth. The former acting Hokage, Danzō, was once a rival to the Third for the position, and Danzō disagreed with the peaceful ideologies of the five Hokage.
- it should be added that Danzō was also a student of the Second, and teammates with the Third.—This unsigned comment was made by 18.104.22.168 (talk • contribs) on 04:06, 2010 February 20 (UTC).
- He wasn't a student of the Second and he was only team-mates with the Third for one mission, as far as we know. Sign your posts. --ShounenSuki (talk | contribs) 14:51, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
Regarding Kakashi
Should it be noted that Kakashi is essentially the acting Hokage now? Gaara, Temari, and Kankuro have explained that Danzo flew the coop, and so it's been decided that the group needs to move on as though Kakashi had been chosen instead of Danzo from the start. I mean, the village doesn't know, but they said there's no time to go back and have the Jonin vote. So do we count Kakashi as acting Sixth or not? Teamrocketspy621 (talk) 16:13, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
- He's not. Right now, Kakashi is a dude staying at an inn on the Outskirts of the Land of Iron. Danzo left the summit, but that doesn't dismiss him as acting Hokage, because nobody at the summit has the authority to say "Danzo is no longer Hokage." Only the Fire Daimyo and/or the Jonin Council can say that.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 16:33, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
This is my opinion, but i think we should have the pictures of the kage being in their kage robes if there are pictures of them in them, not their profile pictures, there is one of the 1st and 5th kages, danzo too, and we can put the picture on Minato's page (the one that says, Minato as the fourth hokage, i just personally think we should put those as the pictures on this page --Sauske-Blaze (talk) 21:11, December 17, 2009 (UTC)Sauske-Blaze
Well,I'm sure we put atleast something about him being Hokage now that Danzo's dead--188.8.131.52 (talk) 17:46, February 6, 2010 (UTC)
- Again, until someone actually reaches Konoha and makes it official, he's just a guy running in the woods with a little boy. Yes I made that as creepy as possible.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 17:53, February 6, 2010 (UTC)
Had Tsunade ever really met 1st? I don't see how that could have happened.
Strongest of all kages?
I don't recall Sarutobi being said to be the strongest of all kages...he wasn't, was he?--Narutodude (talk) 21:43, January 3, 2010 (UTC)Narutodude
1st controlling some biju
The 1st Hokages Secret Wood Style Jutsu made him able to control biju. I understand how Madara was able to control them through his dojutsu/genjutsu. But how can ninjutsu be able to manipulate things. All it is suppose to do is hurt you. —This unsigned comment was made by 188.8.131.52 (talk • contribs) on 00:38, 2010 January 9 (UTC).
- Ninjutsu can be used for a lot more than just hurting people. The way i understand it, the First Hokage channels his innate ability to control Tailed Beasts through his Wood Release. It was just a coincidence that his kekkei genkai gave him both powers.
- Sign your posts next time, by the way. --ShounenSuki (talk | contribs) 01:01, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
When Orochimaru was fighting the 3rd and summons the first and the second, were they the real 1st and 2nd or are they fakes. if they were real, there is no question that hiruzen is the strongest hokage since he was able to beat the1st, 2nd and Orochimaru at the same time. i think that minato was strongest since hiruzen said i wish the 4th were here, he would be able to beat Orochimaru. —This unsigned comment was made by 126.96.36.199 (talk • contribs) on 00:45, 2010 January 9 (UTC).
- They were the real First and Second Hokage. They had their souls, their abilities, and their strength. The only thing they lacked was their minds, since Orochimaru took those away. They were, in fact, more difficult to defeat, because they could regenerate when harmed.
- The Fourth Hokage was not stronger that the Third, but he had the potential to become stronger. The Third Hokage was specifically called the strongest of all the Hokage, which includes the Fourth. However, the Fourth Hokage was called the greatest shinobi and the greatest Hokage and was said to be able to have risen to great heights. This indicates that he was one of the best in every point a shinobi and Hokage should and could be great and he could have potentially have become even stronger than the Third. He just died before that.
- Again, sign your posts. --ShounenSuki (talk | contribs) 01:06, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
shouldnt he be put under candidate 6th as well he was just about to be announced hokage before tsunade woke up 184.108.40.206 (talk) 07:47, March 25, 2010 (UTC)
No when Tsunade woke up that ment that konoha had a hokage and doesn't need a candidate so Tsunade is the hokage again :P --Petar93 (talk) 09:46, March 25, 2010 (UTC)
strongest hokage
How do we know which one is strongest. Unless it's stated then it shouldnt be added ad its really a matter of opinion. Sanders-sama (talk) 18:37, March 26, 2010 (UTC)
- It has been stated, multiple times, that the Third Hokage was the strongest. --ShounenSuki (talk | contribs) 18:43, March 26, 2010 (UTC)
- such as when ? Sanders-sama (talk) 19:13, March 26, 2010 (UTC)
- Such as in chapter 94, page 12 and in the First Databook, pages 117 and 265. --ShounenSuki (talk | contribs) 19:23, March 26, 2010 (UTC)
- Jiraiya staes the the 4th was the greatest ninja that ever lived. Jiraiya or Iruka. Who is more crediable? When your teaching little kids ovbiously your going 6to big up the CURRENT hokage Sanders-sama (talk) 17:32, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
- such as when ? Sanders-sama (talk) 19:13, March 26, 2010 (UTC)
I find it difficult not to think he was the strongest. He took out both the 1st and 2nd right along with Orochimaru... BY HIMSELF.
Should we keep Danzō on the list? 184.108.40.206 (talk) 18:15, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
- Yes. For an entire arc, he was Hokage.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 19:00, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
- he wasnt hokage yet, all the jonin didnt decide that yet. he was just candidate hokage right?--Shelldone (talk) 21:10, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
- He still had an official appointment by the Fire Country's Daimyo, that should count for something. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:15, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
- He ACTED as Hokage yes but was never one. Nevertheless he played an important role but he should be put in the same thing as Kakashi - Triva sectionSanders-sama (talk) 21:20, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
- Danzō was officially appointed as Hokage by the Daimyo and his council and acted as Hokage for a while. He was the regent and Hokage in all but law. He certainly deserves a mention in the actual article. --ShounenSuki (talk | contribs) 21:24, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
- He ACTED as Hokage yes but was never one. Nevertheless he played an important role but he should be put in the same thing as Kakashi - Triva sectionSanders-sama (talk) 21:20, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
- He still had an official appointment by the Fire Country's Daimyo, that should count for something. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:15, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
- he wasnt hokage yet, all the jonin didnt decide that yet. he was just candidate hokage right?--Shelldone (talk) 21:10, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
- Then we should a "Candidate Hokage" section. We could have Orochimaru and Kakashi there too Shock Dragoon Mar-28-10 5:30PM
- They were never actually Candidate Hokages. Sure Candidates FOR Hokage but not the former.
¥Super Novice ↔ Talk 2 Me ¥21:39, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
- Jiraiya was more of a Candidate Hokage than Orochimaru and neither Kakashi nor Orochimaru was ever officially appointed. --ShounenSuki (talk | contribs) 21:42, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
- As I said, Danzo gets his place because for an arc, he was Hokage. Jiriaya and Kakashi were candidates for the title, but neither of them got the position. Orochimaru was merely considered, but clearly didn't get the job.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 22:38, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
- Jiraiya was more of a Candidate Hokage than Orochimaru and neither Kakashi nor Orochimaru was ever officially appointed. --ShounenSuki (talk | contribs) 21:42, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
- They were never actually Candidate Hokages. Sure Candidates FOR Hokage but not the former.
I understand all of this, like at the end of chapter 450 he was said to be hokage, but even kakashi said the jonin didnt vote yet so hes acting as hokage for the time being. and even danzo said he wants to impress the other kages to get the vote from the jonin... so officially he wasnt hokage, but he just acting as hokage.--Shelldone (talk) 23:18, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
I think since the article is titled "Hokage" the point of the page is to show the Hokage of the village. Danzo was never officially a Hokage, or else he would have a picture in that room, and a carving of his face on the Hokage Monument. Danzo was merely put as the Acting kage, thats the word. What i mean by "acting" is that he was appointed leaser until a final decision was made (the jonin vote). I believe the hokage page should just contain information about the official hokage and that in the trivia section, its says, "Danzo was appointed during the Kage Summit arc as Temporary Hokage, until an official decision was made, unfortunatley, he died before the official Jonin vote was made," or something like that. --Sauske-Blaze (talk) 00:24, May 16, 2010 (UTC)Sauske-Blaze
When he was dieing he admitted to not being the Hokage when he was thinking of Saurtobi. He was a candidate not the real thing. In order to be the real thing you need the Daimyo's blessing AND the Jonin vote. Danzo died before he got to the Jonin vote and as such even he admitted he wasn't Hokage. Say what you want but the character himself admitted it.Saimaroimaru (talk) 05:53, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
- Why you even argue??? His last words said it: (Last Words) "Hiruzen... it looks like it's my turn next... but I... never did become Hokage... no matter how far I went I could never catch up with you... you are the leaves bathing in the sun. I... am the roots that grow in the dark." What prove do you still want? He said it. I am backing all the guys that said to remove him from the Hokage list. And if you don't remove it, then remove the Acting Sixth Hokage from his picture. He is dead now, not acting at all. :)--Donatelo (talk) 20:42, June 7, 2010 (UTC)
ya but if ur going to keep danzo, then kakashi should be there too, he was a candidate as well, and if you say he wasnt given blessing my the daimyo, he was a second from being done so, meaning that he was a candidate for the position, it's either put both the candidates, or take them out......my suggestion is to just make a trivia that kakashi and danzo were candidates for the position of 6th hokage --Sauske-Blaze (talk) 21:38, June 9, 2010 (UTC)Sauske-Blaze
- Kakashi never made it to Candidate. A lot of people said "Hey Kakashi should blah blah blah" but officially he never made it. Even when he was about to be made it, Tsunade woke up and it was backed off. Danzo however was given the title by someone in power and had the power to make decisions.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 21:51, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
i agree, however, in the Fire Daimyo's head he already had Kakashi as a candidate for the position, and he was literally about to say "I hear-by appoint you as the Sixth Hokage" --Sauske-Blaze (talk) 22:20, June 9, 2010 (UTC)Sauske-Blaze
- And he didn't. He instead said "Danzo, you're the Sixth Hokage.". That is why he's on the page, and Kakashi isn't.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 22:24, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
plus to add a point to previous comment, the word Candidate dictionary definition: A person who applies for a job or is nominated for election (side note:) -A person or thing that is regarded as suitable for or likely to receive a certain fate. Basically what i am trying to say is that a candidate is someone who is considered for the position. You have to use the word correctly, if you are going to say Danzo a CANDIDATE for 6th Hokage, then you need to put Kakashi as well because, he was considered for the position of 6th Hokage, my suggestion are to either change that danzo was a candidate, put a thing or kakashi as candidate, or just change to a trivia thing --Sauske-Blaze (talk) 22:25, June 9, 2010 (UTC)Sauske-Blaze
- The main difference is that Danzō actually ruled as Hokage, whereas Kakashi didn't. Nor was Kakashi ever officially proclaimed as (candidate) Hokage, like Danzō. --ShounenSuki (talk | contribs) 23:03, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
Yes i fully agree with you, my main point is that candidate isn't the right word, i see the difference and what you two are trying to say, you just need a different word --Sauske-Blaze (talk) 02:07, June 10, 2010 (UTC)Sauske-Blaze
- But "candidate" is literally the only option. ~SnapperTo 03:19, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
- I do not quite see why another word would be needed. Candidate fits the role Danzō had quite perfectly. Just because it has other possible meanings, some of which might include Kakashi's position, doesn't mean that those meanings are intended. Almost every single word has multiple interpretations. The intended meaning is clear from the article.
- Besides, even taking into account the broader definition of candidate, this would still not really include Kakashi.
- For most, if not every, official position similar to that of Hokage, a candidate is someone who has been officially chosen to be a possible choice in the election for this office. Kakashi never made it that far, Danzō did. --ShounenSuki (talk | contribs) 08:01, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
yes but kakashi, was a possibility for the position, that is wut candidate means --Sauske-Blaze (talk) 17:03, June 10, 2010 (UTC)Sauske-Blaze
- Since Danzo did some work as Hokage, maybe we should use "Acting Hokage"? Jacce | Talk | Contributions 17:17, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
- @Sauske-Blaze: Not when the term is used to refer to a candidate for an official position. In that case, a candidate isn't just someone who has the possibility to gain that position, but someone officially chosen to run for that position.
- For instance, let's say that the position we're talking about is that of president. The candidates for this position are those officially chosen by the participating parties.
- @Jacce: Acting Hokage doesn't actually completely fit the situation either. An acting Hokage would imply someone who takes over until a new Hokage can be elected. Not to mention that we actually have an official canon title. --ShounenSuki (talk | contribs) 17:32, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
While the fact if Danzo should listed as Hokage or that we should make a new section about Hokage Candidates, should we not at least aknowledge on the Hokage section that for a while he was giving out the orders and representing the village as leader for a while. While he may not have been "Hokage," he was still in charge. Thomas Finlayson (talk) 18:01, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
I like ShounenSuki's point, like say the presidential run, all the people running for the position of president are known as candidate's, but I agree as well with his second point, that he should be listed as acting, or temporary acting or something. Maybe we should just change it to trivia that he was the acting hokage during the Kage Summit arc, and keep the page for the official hokage --Sauske-Blaze (talk) 22:34, June 10, 2010 (UTC)Sauske-Blaze
Since he was preforming duties as Hokage and had a chance of becoming the Hokage, something Jiraiya and Kakashi didn't, Danzo could be listed as "acting". 188.8.131.52 (talk) 10:02, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
I think that Danzo should be removed from the Hokage page, because he was never officialy appointed like the others and if not that way then put it to trivia that he was acting hokage or remove the picture, because he is already dead.--Adek121 (talk) 14:05, July 7, 2010 (UTC)
Of the non-Hokage, Danzo is the one who got closest to being one. From the structure we know (appointed by Daimyo, approved by jonin), he's the one who went the furthest. Also, why remove his image? Only Tsunade is alive, should we remove deceased Hokage as well? Don't think so. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:36, July 7, 2010 (UTC)
The best title for Danzo is "Interim", he was the Interim-Hokage. A person who is put into a position for the meantime to deal with current issues until the position can be resolved at a later date. I think this word should be substituted in the place of candidate, that or use the word 'Nominee' which also makes sense. On the debate on the word 'candidate', it is best defined, in the context we are talking about, as a person who is a contender and has some form of support for a position; Kakashi would fall under this definition of being a candidate, since he has several people who would support him such as Shikaku in his run for the position of Hokage. Naruto could be considered a candidate for Hokage, since he was praised so highly by a anonymous villager/Ninja and other notable characters. --Alastar 89 (talk) 07:08, December 24, 2010 (UTC)
- No it isn't. Interim implies a temporary position one hasn't necessarily been officially elected for. Danzō's position was neither temporary —he would have become the real hokage had all gone right— nor unofficial — he was chosen legally and according to the normal procedures. There is no good word in English for what Danzō's position was. There are various terms used for positions like Danzo's, but none are perfect:
- Candidate Hokage: Implies he has no official duties, nor has been actually elected in any way yet.
- Hokage-Elect: Does imply he has already been elected, but also that he has no official duties yet
- Interim Hokage: Implies a non-elected, temporary position with limited power, serving as an bridge between two official hokage. Usually used in times of crises when there is no longer any official government and no time to officially elect one.
- Acting Hokage: Also implies a non-elected, temporary position. Usually because the official hokage is temporarily unavailable.
- Hokage Nominee: Same as candidate-hokage, but implies candidature suggested by someone else, rather than candidature on one's own accord.
- Hokage-Regent: Implies a temporary position held because the official Hokage is unable to rule in their own right, be it illness, minority, or something else. implies a non-elected, held-for-life position.
- Hokage-Designate: Implies the person holding the title is expected to become the next Hokage, but isn't yet there.
- Hokage-in-Waiting: Same as Hokage-Designate.
- No English term truly fits Danzō's position, so we fall back on the term used by Kishimoto-sensei: HoKage Candidate. —ShounenSuki (talk | contribs | translations) 11:50, December 24, 2010 (UTC)
Trivia error
All of the former Hokage have been sealed away in the stomach of the Death God summoning; The Fourth was sealed when he sealed the Nine-Tailed Demon Fox within Naruto, while the First and Second were re-sealed when the Third sealed them away. As for the Third, he was sealed when he gave his life to seal Orochimaru, but only managing to seal away his arms.
How can the First and Second be re-sealed into the Death God summoning when they we're not sealed by the jutsu before Hiruzen actualy sealed them 188.8.131.52 (talk) 23:49, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
Sakura connections
Why, in the connections trivia point, is sakura mentioned. She's never once been mentioned in regards to being hokage. The point is about the connections of those who have been hokage or, like kakashi, were considered for the position. Sakura really has no reason to be mentioned. I'm going to remove that part if no one objects and raises a legitimate reason--Soul reaper (talk) 11:04, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
- I agree, I see no point in mentioning Sakura. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 11:14, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
Tsunade and the 1st?
Did Tsunade ever really meet the 1st? I don't see how could that have ever happened since he had to have died before she was even borned. I think this was an ERROR. ~Daddy Mak~
- Where is it said she met the First? —ShounenSuki (talk | contribs | translations) 15:25, October 15, 2010 (UTC)
- I think that's the First's arm. ~SnapperTo 18:09, October 15, 2010 (UTC)
- If that is so, then it is merely another anime error, I'd say. Tsunade was most likely born during the Third Hokage's reign, when both the First and Second Hokage had already died. —ShounenSuki (talk | contribs | translations) 19:02, October 15, 2010 (UTC)
- I think that's the First's arm. ~SnapperTo 18:09, October 15, 2010 (UTC)
Yeah I was referring to that scene. After Chapter 481 it never made sense. I think it was an anime error because I don't remember seeing it on the manga. Thanx ShounenSuki. ~DaMakDaddy~
Hokage Picture All Wrong
The picture of the Hokage Monument that was recently added is incorrect. Hiruzen Sarutobi never had a beard. Also, where was the picture taken from?
- You're right didn't even see that they gave him a beard. It was taken from Shippuden Episode 185--Cerez365 (talk) 07:31, November 14, 2010 (UTC)
WHY MANGA pics all of a sudden?
Why is Narutopedia gradually changes all anime pics into manga pics? Is this a wiki that only covers manga now? Just curious, why is a manga pic now used for the Hokage Monument when there are good full coloured anime pics out there? Other examples include Part 2 characters from coloured volume chapters, when there are full body shots of them in the anime? Sparxs77 (talk) 11:37, November 14, 2010 (UTC)
- If you can find a high-quality, flawless anime image of the Hokage Mountain, no-one will stop you from switching it with the manga image I put up. I only changed the image to one of the manga because the anime images were... not up to par, so to say.
- As for the character images, that is because the coloured manga images give a more accurate view of what the characters are supposed to look like, being drawn by the original creator and all. —ShounenSuki (talk | contribs | translations) 11:41, November 14, 2010 (UTC)
- We were actually in the middle of discussing this little issue a month ago, but the Wikia Crisis put it on the back burner to more pressing matters. I have no will to restart to discussion as of now because I have a lot of crap to do for the next three days (as of this writing) so feel free to bring it up here if you so desire.--TheUltimate3 ~The User King ~ 11:59, November 14, 2010 (UTC)
4th to 3rd Hokage?
Okay so obviously the 9 tails attack on the Leaf was before the 1st episode, and then the 4th hokage sealed it , so obviously it was the 4th hokage at that time. But if that's true, then at the beginning of the show, why was 3rd hokage back in seat? And how was there ever a 4th hokage if the 3rd hokage never died at the time? shouldnt the 3rd hokage still of been hokage when the 9 tails attacked? --Mizukage[Mist]
- People tend to retire when they get pretty old. Hiruzen Sarutobi was 56 when the Nine-Tails attacked. That's not exactly young for a ninja. Jiraiya died at a younger age than that, as did many powerful shinobi. It should be no surprise that he would want to retire. That's my take on it, anyways.
- The only important thing you need to know is that the Fourth Hokage was named while Sarutobi was still alive. That is the word of god. (Word of god as used here refers to the word of the creator of the series.)Ryne 91 (talk) 05:40, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
- The former doesn't have to die in order for a new Hokage to be named. Just like any other regime it seems like Hiruzen was either helping Minato in an advisory capacity or helping with the transition of a new Hokage in office.--Cerez™☺ 05:46, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
- Yeah i suppose, but if Hiruzen DID want to "retire" or anything of that sort, why didn't they just name a 5th Hokage? --Mizukage[Mist]
- The former doesn't have to die in order for a new Hokage to be named. Just like any other regime it seems like Hiruzen was either helping Minato in an advisory capacity or helping with the transition of a new Hokage in office.--Cerez™☺ 05:46, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
- Ahh and i dont know where the articles are :O —This unsigned comment was made by 188.8.131.52 (talk • contribs) .
Hi VS Ho
I believe you all that HOkage is the proper spelling, not HIkage, but I'm just confused so this is a question of curiosity. I always thought that Hi was fire, not Ho. Can someone explain?--188.8.131.52 (talk) 18:35, April 30, 2011 (UTC)
- The kanji for fire has multiple pronunciations. I.e.:
- Hi: Hi no Kuni (火の国, Land of Fire)
- Ho: hokage (火影, fire shadow)
- Bi: hanabi (花火, fireworks)
- Ka: katon (火遁, fire release)
- —ShounenSuki (talk | contribs | translations) 19:18, April 30, 2011 (UTC)
Danzo the 6th... For a few days?
Wasn't Danzo already appointed as 6th Hokage before being conveniently offed by Sasuke (Or wasn't he approved by the Jounin or something, before Sasuke killed him?), so that the previous Hokage (Who was conveniently not dead) could be reinstated (Somethign like with the 3rd and the 4th)?--Boris Baran (talk) 21:59, July 18, 2011 (UTC)
- Danzō had been appointed by the Fire Daimyō, but he said himself he still had to be approved by the jōnin to be officially considered as Hokage. Even as he died, he said he didn't become Hokage. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:06, July 19, 2011 (UTC)
- Thx :) --Boris Baran (talk) 00:26, July 19, 2011 (UTC)
Hokage the strongest out of...
... all Kages by default? Is this true? It seems Kabuto thinks so right here. Basicly, he's saying that the Hokage is always the strongest out of all the other Kages, just because he is the Hokage. Or did i misinterpret his words? 18.104.22.168 (talk) 14:24, August 10, 2011 (UTC)
- He was referring to Hiruzen who was considered to be the strongest Kage during his time as Hokage.--Cerez365™ 14:31, August 10, 2011 (UTC)
- Cerez365is right, it's just a bad translation. He's simply saying that the Third Hokage was said to be the strongest:
- "Well, it wasn't going to be that simple. At any rate, since your opponent was the Hokage, admired as the strongest of Five Great Countries." (「まぁそう簡単はありませんよ。何せ相手にしたのは五大国最強と謳われる 火影なのですから」, "Maa sō kantan wa arimasen yo. Nanise aite ni shita no wa Godaikoku saikyō to utawareru Hokage nano desu kara")
- —ShounenSuki (talk | contribs | translations) 14:37, August 10, 2011 (UTC)
- Cerez365is right, it's just a bad translation. He's simply saying that the Third Hokage was said to be the strongest:
Thank you both, this really clears things up.... 220.127.116.11 (talk) 14:46, August 10, 2011 (UTC)
- In chapter 488, before the new of Tsunade's awakening, the daimyo of the fire was about to appoint Kakashi: sixth Hokage candidate or sixth Hokage?
- When someone is appointed Hokage candidate by the daymio of the fire, we know we muste be approved by the Jonin of the village to officially become Hokage, but how does this happens : Do Jonin of the village gather in a room and make a "vote" (as I read in a chapter of the manga)? If this is not the case or roughly the case, could you give me what happens in details.
- Do you need to be approved by "all" Jonin of the village to officially become Hokage?
Thank you in advance for your answers. 220.127.116.11 (talk) 01:07, August 23, 2011 (UTC)
I'd assume it would have to be the majority of the jōnin would have to agree to your appointment. They have a hangout. We don't know the details so we can't provide that.--Cerez365™ 01:18, August 23, 2011 (UTC)
Okay, and what about this question : "#In chapter 488, before the new of Tsunade's awakening, the daimyo of the fire was about to appoint Kakashi: sixth Hokage candidate or sixth Hokage?" ? 22.214.171.124 (talk) 01:24, August 23, 2011 (UTC)
- He would have been the candidate more than likely.--Cerez365™ 01:31, August 23, 2011 (UTC)
- Okay, and also concerning the Hokage Candidate who needs to be approved by the jônin of the village : the jônin of the village make a "vote" where each of them says yes or no ? 188.8.131.52 (talk) 01:50, August 23, 2011 (UTC)
- That's usually how voting goes when you're presented with a candidate.--Cerez365™ 01:52, August 23, 2011 (UTC)
- Okay, I asked this question just to make sure that there is a "vote" which takes place.
Last questions,
- 1. when you say "they have a hangout", do you mean that it is in this venue where the vote takes place? If it is the case, the Hokage Candate is he also in the hangout when the vote starts?
- 2. When the vote takes place, the jonin "says" or "write in a paper" (which one of the two) yes or no ?
- 3. If Kakashi was appointed candidate, and later before the vote takes place, Tsunade wakes up: Would she stay Hokage?
- 4. How long after a person is appointed Hokage Candidate, the vote starts 22.214.171.124 (talk) 15:37, August 24, 2011 (UTC)
- I'm still waiting for your answers Cerez365 ! Thanks for your attention. 126.96.36.199 (talk) 22:52, August 24, 2011 (UTC)
I mean they have the Jōnin Standby Station we have no clue what they do there except wait for missions and stuff. Like I said before we know nothing of the voting process and as such cannot provide those detailed answers for you.--Cerez365™ 23:38, August 24, 2011 (UTC)
Okay, and concerning the question 3 which has nothing to do with the details of the vote, could you answer me? 22.214.171.124 (talk) 00:07, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
A country/village's political system isn't something that is straightforward. I couldn't tell you what would happen if Kakashi were appointed the Candidate Hokage and Tsunade woke up afterwards because we don't have an in depth knowledge of Konoha's political system. The only thing we were told is that a candidate is appointed by the Fire Daimyō upon the recommendation of those council people but the jōnin have to vote for or against said person. Anything outside of that would just be my assumption of how the system would work and this isn't the place for that.--Cerez365™ 16:21, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
Okay, thank you, everything is now perfectly clear. 18.104.22.168 (talk) 16:27, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
The role of the Fire Daimy council?
Does this is true that the Fire Daimyō appoint a Hokage Candidate upon the recommendation of both the Konoha council and the Fire Daimyō council? Where does this is shown that the Fire Daimyo council recommends a Hokage. For me, the council members only comment the recommendation of the Konoha council ! Does this is correct ? 126.96.36.199 (talk) 14:12, November 10, 2011 (UTC)
- They're still part of the process "upon the recommendation of" is not just "choose X"--Cerez365™ 14:13, November 10, 2011 (UTC)
- So, to put things in clear, a member of the Fire Daimyo council can recommend someone for the post of Hokage? I'm asking this question because in the manga, only members of the Konoha council recommended someone, and concerning the Fire Daymio council, they commented their recommendation (in the chapter where Danzo was appointed as Sixth Hokage Candidate).184.108.40.206 (talk) 16:26, November 10, 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, it'd seem that everyone there can make suggestions that the Daimyō will take under advisement so one might say "what about X as a possible candidate?". The Daimyō himself doesn't have that much power to select a Hokage because there's the vote and what the people of Konoha want, so he's more of an official mouth piece. That's the way I understand it at least.--Cerez365™ 16:36, November 10, 2011 (UTC)
- Okay, and accordind to what you said, I deduce that the Fire Daimyo don't make any suggestions by saying something as "what about X as a possible candidate?". Does this is correct ? 220.127.116.11 (talk) 22:44, November 10, 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, it'd seem that everyone there can make suggestions that the Daimyō will take under advisement so one might say "what about X as a possible candidate?". The Daimyō himself doesn't have that much power to select a Hokage because there's the vote and what the people of Konoha want, so he's more of an official mouth piece. That's the way I understand it at least.--Cerez365™ 16:36, November 10, 2011 (UTC)
- So, to put things in clear, a member of the Fire Daimyo council can recommend someone for the post of Hokage? I'm asking this question because in the manga, only members of the Konoha council recommended someone, and concerning the Fire Daymio council, they commented their recommendation (in the chapter where Danzo was appointed as Sixth Hokage Candidate).126.96.36.199 (talk) 16:26, November 10, 2011 (UTC)
Ho dear... Uhm, the whole decision process there is predominantly unknown so I can't really tell you exacts. But more than likely he would discuss his own choice with the delegation.--Cerez365™ 23:05, November 10, 2011 (UTC)
- Okay, thanks for your answers.--184.108.40.206 (talk) 12:24, November 11, 2011 (UTC)
- Hoped I helped. Also, you don't have to separate your signature.--Cerez365™ 12:48, November 11, 2011 (UTC)
Bringing back into discussion
I think we should simply mark Danzo as Hokage on the list not just Hokage candidate, because he did die true but was appointed hokage in Tsunade's absence and was hokage for a whole arc, like how the Third hokage pretty much handled things when the fourth died but in this case he was appointed and not just hokage candidate really and it's kind of bugging me that if we just mark Hokage Candidates the list will fill up with everyone who will be taking over for their absence so it simple, we mark him hokage or take him off the list. --18.104.22.168 (talk) 00:03, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
So I suggest that we simply edit the fact that he was a Hokage Candidate (and yes i read the previous discussion) and simply put down for fact that he was the Sixth Hokage.--22.214.171.124 (talk) 00:14, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, no. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:41, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
Kakashi Hatake has been considered a prime candidate for the position as Hokage by several characters.[6][7] He would have been officially appointed as the Sixth Hokage if Tsunade hadn't woken up moments before hand.[8]--->There is no proofs that Kakashi would have been officially appointed as the Sixth Hokage at this moment. The rule says that a ninja is appointed Candidate by the Fire Daimyo, then officially Hokage by jonins of Konoha. Therefore, at this moment, Kakashi was probably about to be appointed as a Candidate. Whitewhol (talk) 02:29, August 23, 2012 (UTC)
- Danzō was appointed for Hokage by the daimyō, the only reason we list in as Candidate is because that's how he was listed in one of the Fanbooks. Kakashi would have been appointed for Hokage the same way, and would probably be approved faster, since pretty much only Root supports Danzō, while Kakashi is much more popular among the jōnin. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 02:53, August 23, 2012 (UTC)
Of course, he would have been approved faster, but the only thing which disturbs me is this part "if Tsunade hadn't woken up moments before hand". Because if Tsunade hadn't woken up moments before hand, he would have been appointed as the Sixth Hokage Candidate, then later will officially be Hokage by being approved by jonins. But maybe, because of the war which about to begin, Fire daimyo decided to appoint him directly as the Sixth Hokage. Whitewhol (talk) 03:27, August 23, 2012 (UTC)
- We don't know that the daimyō could simply bypass Konoha's system like that. More than likely the voting process amongst the jōnin would have taken place a little faster than it did with Danzō, but I don't believe an external force like the daimyō could just say "ok you're officially the Sixth, no voting necessary", Konoha's supposed to be an "independent" system.--Cerez365™(talk) 10:40, August 23, 2012 (UTC)
Probably you're right, but concerning what I said before, what do you think about this? I mean, if Tsunade hadn't woken up moments before hand, Kakashi would have been appointed as the Sixth Hokage Candidate for sure and would not officially be appointed as the Sixth Hokage like it is said in the article. Whitewhol (talk) 11:17, August 23, 2012 (UTC)
- Uhm, that's sorta nitpicking. Why are you hankering so much on one word? --Cerez365™(talk) 11:24, August 23, 2012 (UTC)
Did you read my comment? The manga shows the daimyō appointing Danzō as Hokage. The fact he's listed as "candidate" is only because he got the nomination, but had yet to be approved. He was appointed, period. Kakashi would have been appointed, by Tsunade woke up first. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:48, August 23, 2012 (UTC)
Tailed Beast Control
He did it with the help of his necklace. Go the article 1st Hokage's necklace.—This unsigned comment was made by 126.96.36.199 (talk • contribs) .
- Hashirama used the necklace to enhance his control of "jinchūriki and the tailed beasts". The way you were editing it made it sound as if Hashirama lopped all the tailed beast together and swung the necklace over their heads and told them to sit. That, is impossible.--Cerez365™(talk) 11:42, August 24, 2012 (UTC)


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With the win, Saint Mary's improves to 1-3, while Detroit drops to 0-2.
"Katie Worsdale played a huge role in goal in our win this afternoon," said head coach Lauren Uhr. "Our defense stepped up, while our team-attack worked more as a unit. We are looking for this big win to bring momentum for our trip to Denver later this week."
Rachel Minarovich scored with 57 seconds left which looked like it should ice the game as it put the Gaels up 11-8 with 57 seconds remaining. The Titans made it a game quickly, scoring with 48 seconds left, and then just 10 seconds later to come within 11-10. The Gaels were able to hold off the Titans for the final 38 seconds in the win.
In the first half, the Gaels got out to an early 4-1 lead on goals by Munroe, Allie DeBruhl and Biggers. The Titans would score three of the final four goals in the first half to trail 5-4 at the break.
In the second half, Detroit scored first to tie the game. The Titans would also later tie the game at 7-7 with 15:21 remaining. The Gaels got two big goals from Munroe and Mariah Walk to go up 9-7 with 12:32 remaining. After Detroit cut the deficit down to 9-8, Amanda Cross scored her 10th goal of the year to give SMC the 10-8 lead with 3:57 left. This set up Minarovich's goal with 57 seconds left before Detroit made the furious rally but came up one goal short.
In addition to Munroe and Biggers totaling six goals, Walk added two scores while Cross, DeBruhl and Minarovich scored. Krista Morgan had two assists while Jillian Chong and Munroe also had assists.
Each team took 30 total shots and SMC's Kathleen Worsdale had 12 saves. Detroit led in groundballs 18-12 and held a 22-21 edge in shots on goal.
Saint Mary's is back in action on Friday, March 9 when it travels to Denver to face the Pioneers in Colorado.

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NO trains will run between Poole and Dorchester South for the next two days due to major signalling work.
Replacement bus services will run between Poole and Weymouth, supplemented by a shuttle train service between Dorchester South and Weymouth.
While the lines between Bournemouth and Dorchester South will be closed all day Saturday, May 17 and Sunday, May 18.
The normal train service will run between London Waterloo and Bournemouth.
Engineers need four days access to the lines to complete the work, according to a spokesman for South West Trains.
Passengers have been told bus services will run between Bournemouth and Weymouth this weekend.
A shuttle train service will also run between Dorchester South and Weymouth.
They have also been warned that the car park at Bournemouth station is expected to be very busy.
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The Humboldt Bay Harbor Working Group held it's monthly lunch on Wednesday, and attracting more cruise ships to Humboldt Bay was the topic of discussion.
Eureka City Council Member Chet Albin, along with the Humboldt Bay Harbor Working Group, the Humboldt Bay Water District and other members of the community are working to make Humboldt Bay a cruise ship destination. Eureka city officials say cruise industry statistics indicate more than $1 million can go into the local economy for every cruise ship that stops in Humboldt Bay. One aspect of the initiative discussed at the luncheon was the need to refurbish Dock B in Eureka, in order to make it able to load and offload cruise passengers. That project could cost about $5 million. Eureka city officials say bringing cruise lines to Humboldt would provide benefits to more areas than just the City of Eureka.
"Our fishing industry is down. Our logging industry is down. ost of our economy is down here and this is something that could really revitalize the harbor and revitalize Humboldt County," said Eureka City Council Member Chet Albin.
The next step is for the initiative to be placed on the Eureka City Council agenda. Council member Albin says he expects that to happen in the next two months.


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David Murdoch's double take-out final stone fired Britain into the men's curling semi-finals, while Elise Christie stormed into the quarter-finals of the short track 1000 metres on day 11 of the Sochi Winter Olympics.
Murdoch's high-pressure stone secured a last-end 6-5 tie-break win over Norway and a semi-final meeting with Sweden on Friday, when Britain's women will also be in last-four action against Canada.
Meanwhile, Christie put her recent troubles behind her with an impressive victory in her 1000m heat, starting cautiously at the back of the field, making her move to lead and then skating away from her rivals.
It was just the confidence booster the 23-year-old Scot needed after a traumatic start to her Games, which saw her disqualified from the 500 metres final, suffer threatening messages on social media and fail to finish her 1500m heat.
Murdoch's all-Scottish curling rink had been beaten by the Norwegians in their round-robin fixture and had to play catch-up for most of Tuesday's game until his brilliant final stone in the 10th end secured two game-winning points.
Murdoch's double take-out match clincher came after a tension-building time-out, where Swedish coach Soren Gran came on to the ice to help the British rink decide whether to go for the shot or hand advantage back to the Norwegians at the extra end.
Murdoch said: ''I stood back and saw there was a shot for two and once we'd seen that, we were always going to go for it.
''Sometimes you just have to go for it. You have to trust everything you have done previously, all your practice shots.
''We had the courage to go for it and were confident we were going to take it. I have played those guys a hundred times and the chances of stealing an extra end is very slim. So, as hard as the shot was, we had to go for it."
Britain will face either China or Canada if they beat the Swedes on Wednesday night - 1900 local time (1500GMT).
Christie, who will now switch her focus to Friday night when she renews her bid for a medal in the 1000m quarter-finals, stressed how the support she has had from people back home brought a smile back to her face when she was at her lowest ebb.
She said: ''Obviously I spent a few days feeling quite down and struggling psychologically. I was then told about all the good support back home and that really boosted me.
"I smiled for the first time in a while when I heard that and I can't get across how thankful I am because I was considering not getting back on, and the support I have had is what has pushed me to get back on and do that.''
Asked if she had seriously considered pulling out, Christie said: ''I did after the 1500. I thought, 'I don't want to do this' but I would never pull out really because I always have that grit in me that keeps me carrying on. But I was feeling pretty low, the lowest I have felt in my career.''
There was mixed fortune for Team GB in the men's 500m heats, with Jon Eley going through to Friday's quarter-finals while Jack Whelbourne missed out.
Eley, the British flagbearer at the opening ceremony in Sochi, was up against home hopeful and 1000m Olympic champion Victor An in heat five but followed the Russian through for second place, clocking 41.554 seconds. Whelbourne, competing in heat four, came home fourth in a time of 42.513secs.
British freestyle skiers Murray Buchan and James Machon failed to qualify for the first ever Winter Olympics halfpipe final in Sochi.
Buchan finished 17th with a top score of 62.40 in difficult conditions at Rosa Khutor Extreme Park, while Machon (52.20) placed 23rd, with only the top 12 qualifying for the final.
''I'm a little bit disappointed,'' Buchan said. ''But I'm absolutely ecstatic I managed to land two runs and get a decent place in."
For Machon, even competing in Sochi represents an extraordinary achievement. The 23-year-old from Sheffield tore an anterior cruciate ligament in his knee last year and although he was a big doubt, he has managed to participate.
''I was out most of last season and it was looking virtually impossible for me to make the Olympics eight months ago,'' he said. ''I worked really hard on my rehab and everything's paid off.''
In the women's bobsleigh at the Sanki Sliding Center, Paula Walker and brake-woman Rebekah Wilson are placed 12th at the halfway stage after their opening two runs.
The pair were slightly disappointed with their runs, of which their second was marginally slower and which leaves them just over a quarter of a second off their stated aim of a top 10 place.
Wilson, who is making her Olympic debut, said: ''The drive went really well - much better than in training. If we could get into the top 10 that would be a good result for us, because it is a really difficult track.''
American pair Elana Meyers and Lauryn Williams will take a healthy 0.23 seconds lead into the final day after setting a track record of 57.26secs on their opening run.


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Adapting to Parallelism: Catalyst 5.12 More Dual Core Friendly?by Derek Wilson on 12/4/2005 10:45 AM EST
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Pjotr - Tuesday, December 06, 2005 - linkWhy not simply show a screen shot of Task Manager after each benchmark? Then we can see approximatly how much of the second core is used by each benchmark. Reply
SemiconductorSlave - Tuesday, December 06, 2005 - linkIf you follow the link Amdahl's law in this artilce and then at the bottom of page follow link "Reevaluating Amdahl's law" you see the author state,
Amdahl's law contains " . . . the assumption that p is independent of N, which is virtually never the case. One does not take a fixed-size problem and run it on various numbers of processors except when doing academic research; in practice, the problem size scales with the number of processors. When given a more powerful processor, the problem generally expands to make use of the increased facilities."
Isn't this also what we have seen with video games, that they have always expanded to make use of the increased facilities?
SemiconductorSlave - Tuesday, December 06, 2005 - linkDerek's article mentions in its conclusion, "The real benefit will come in when game developers start working on parallelizing their code as much as possible." This article is very forgiving of ATI's new driver as there is already significant benefits to dual core processors on Quake4 and SeriousSam2 if you are using Nvidia 81.xx drivers.
The article, using the ATI X1800 XL with the Catalyst drivers, Quake4 showed "no performance difference or issue" in the single core to dual core tests. In an article on www.xbitlabs.com titled Contemporary CPUs and New Games: No Way to Delusions!, on page 6, Quake 4 is shown to run much faster on dual core using the Nvidia 81.xx drivers, as the X2 3800+ clocked 2 GHz gets 101.6 fps, and the 3500+ clocked higher at 2.2GHz achieves only 98.6 fps. The 3200+, which is clocked evenly with X2 3800+ at 2Ghz, only achieved 93.4 fps, which means the dual core produced an 8% gain.
Also, on page 5, Serious Sam2 is shown running faster on dual cores, as the X2 3800+ clocked at 2 GHz achives103.1 fps beating out the 3800+ clocked at 2.4 GHz which achieved 99.2! The 3200+ clocked evenly with X2 3800+ at 2Ghz only achieved 84.8 fps. This indicates the dual core produced a 17.7% gain! The author notes on this test, "I have to point out NVIDIA drivers also started supporting dual-core architectures. ForceWare version 81.xx allows enjoying the advantages of dual-core technology in DirectX as well as in OpenGL."
And to rule out that having two times the cache on an X2 is the reason for the performance difference, you can directly compare the equally clocked 4000+ to the X24600+. Each are clocked at 2.4 GHz and have a total of 1Mb cache. In Quake4 the X2 gets 110.2 while the 4000+ only achieved 103.2, which is still a 6.35% difference.
I think it would be great if this article is appended or these facts are included in the update. The end user should know what dual core performance is available to them now, not think that because ATI wrote a less than successful driver that we have to wait for the game developers before we see any significant dual core benefits!
Semiconductor Manufacturer and Anandtech fan.
porkster - Monday, December 05, 2005 - linkOk just read the article. I thought the test was to be scheduled. Anyway, why are you only testing on an AMD system and why no sign of Black&White2, one of the new era of games that will push the bus, system and visual experience? Also Intel are the kings on multitasking and bus bandwidth so why test dual core drivers and speed % differences on an AMD?
Surely a driver that has two cpu threads going will require more bandwidth on the bus when expected to move upto twice the amount of graphic files around tot he gfx card.
Can you please test a game that is modern like B&W2 in the future and put at high res. Compare the benefits between the market products. Show results on bandwidth demand and their effect whilst multitasking the system.
It seems Anandtech is falling behind the times due to bias towards AMD. It maybe ok to fool the majority of system owners that still have low PC-memory ratings and legacy AMD stuff thinking they're modern, but you portray your site has a leading tech reviewer. Please show the best of, not best of frame rates for non multitasking environments running an old tech wise game.
DrZoidberg - Tuesday, December 06, 2005 - link
It maybe ok to fool the majority of system owners that still have low PC-memory ratings and legacy AMD stuff thinking they're modern, but you portray your site has a leading tech reviewer.
Most of the readers here that have dual core systems have AMD X2 processors. AMD is faster at games than Intel so it is totally appropriate for AT to test using AMD first. AMD is not legacy, its more the general public still view Intel as the performance leader based on their processors several years ago and still clueless that AMD have now taken over.
Sure AT should now test using Intel processors just for knowledge sake but i bet performance % is similar to AMD like 1%-10%.
Quake 4 is new just came out recently, DOD source is recent, Battlefield 2 is a popular game many people play it, B&W2 would be nice but COD2 is the game really missing here.
porkster - Tuesday, December 06, 2005 - linkActually you maybe wrong regarding AMD best for gaming, as an example compare the results on this test to http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2631&am...">http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2631&am... Reply
DrZoidberg - Tuesday, December 06, 2005 - linkWhy have u provided a link showing motherboards for Intel at games and no AMD motherboards?
What does that prove? That one particular Intel chipset motherboard is better than another Intel motherboard?
This is a more appropriate article: http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?...">benchmarks
Battlefield 2
Pentium D 830 (3ghz) 92.1 fps
Intel Yonah (upcoming Intel processor) 103.3 fps
AMD X2 4200+ 120.8 fps
porkster - Wednesday, December 07, 2005 - linkCompare the results for the Farcry from this test results to the one I linked to.
The Intel system is far better yet it's not using the dual core style gfx drivers yet.
I'm starting to think Anandtech doesn't want to compare latest games between the best of AMD and Intel as Intel will show it's better, especially at maintaining FPS during multitasking. Reply
SemiconductorSlave - Wednesday, December 07, 2005 - linkLike in these 4 benchmarks?
"We have Firefox loaded with all 13 tabs from our new suite test, iTunes is running and playing a playlist, and Newsleecher is downloading headers. We kept Newsleecher in this test simply because it's the best way for us to be able to have a fairly CPU/disk intensive downloading task running in the background while still maintaining some semblance of repeatability." --Anand Lal Shimpi Reply
porkster - Thursday, December 08, 2005 - linkTALK ABOUT OLD REVIEW. Sorry, be relative. Reply
DrZoidberg - Wednesday, December 07, 2005 - linklol totally owned
great link semiconductorslave
heres another link took 5 secs to find since almost all the websites show AMD is better
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/28cpu...">http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/28cpu... Reply
porkster - Tuesday, December 06, 2005 - linkYou are failing to see that the majority of AMD CPU's are legacy as they have poor ability for modern software. Only AMD's top end CPU's are anything to consider, else all the others aren't suitable. AMD only perform well in single tasks. Intel are the KINGS of multitasking and bandwidth for the whole of their range.
Games like DoD2 and Doom2 are not pushing the gfx routines and system, Black and White 2 does. B&w2 is a front line game, where the games in this test are safe bets for all processors. The point is this test was to measure performance for a dual-core device driver, so you would expect to see best of software. Reply
SemiconductorSlave - Tuesday, December 06, 2005 - linkWell I'll agree that Hyperthreading benifits the P4 for multitasking, but lets not consider legacy, when comparing each companies latest dual cores, the Intel Pentium Processor Extreme Edition 840 $1029 at newegg, and the Athlon X2 4800+ $787 at newegg
From Hardocp.com http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NzY2">http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NzY2
AMD uses what they call Direct Connect architecture. Instead of two processor cores being saddled to one bus and run to a single memory controller as we see with Intel dual core technology, we have to remember that AMD Athlon 64 processors have the memory controller on the CPU die itself and therefore no "front side bus" is needed. So each CPU on our dual core X2 has a much quicker route to the memory controller as with current Athlon 64 processors.So still the biggest benefit to the entire K8 core system is shining through in AMD's Athlon X2 line in the ways of HyperTransport and its extremely wide bus width when compared to Intel's dual core 800MHz bus.
Sandra Memory Bandwith
Intel EE 840 Dual Core 4331
From same article
"On the dual core front, when you look at AMD's flagship Athlon 64 X2 side by side with Intel's flagship Pentium Extreme Edition 840 with HyperThreading, the obvious HyperThreading advantages seemingly disappear. In comparing single threaded applications, the Athlon 64 X2 4800+ shines over Intel's 840 in our benchmarks." Reply
porkster - Tuesday, December 06, 2005 - linkFirst off, sorry for spelling and typo's in last post. I reply on EDIT alot which this commenting system doesn't have, hehe.
Ok, now I'm not bagging the X2 or AMD's top range as they are capable of doing the task required, but the for this test it's important to have Intel as the main test bed since it's got a higher threshold for things tested.
Like I can't imagine games use all the sustained bandwidth yet, but a game playing whilst multitasking should put enough strain to show degradation in available memory data for game textures etc.
If I'm correct from quick calcs, an AMD with top range DDR1 memory running a game at high refresh rates may only have 30meg bandwidth per game frame to play with. On the Intel that is about 55meg per frame. Now these sound like high values but when you consider multitasking and instance demands and gaming hi res textures etc, you start seeing the limitations.
This test fails to test multitasking, it fails to place the strain of FRONTLINE games on the bus, it fails to compare the best of CPU's for the situation. Reply
porkster - Monday, December 05, 2005 - linkIf GFX drivers are going to start using multi core cpus and their threads then that will surely increase instance bandwidth on the memory bus, something Intel has trumphs over AMD.
I hope the new dual core driver test compares the difference in bandwidth use and what effect that has between AMD and Intel based system.
If you own a AMD without the top notch expensive ram then you maybe trapped is a past era as new games demand more bandiwdth and drivers start using more too. Reply
yacoub - Monday, December 05, 2005 - linkSo after looking at the charts it looks like if you use singlecore, stay away. Also no word on if they fixed the issue with FEAR that was mentioned last month as NOT being fixed in 5.11.
On a side note: Anyone wonder if this is how they will start to push people from single to dual core? (That is, offering improvements for dc at the expense of sc performance.) Reply
wien - Monday, December 05, 2005 - linkThere's no other way of doing it really. Multi-threaded code will always run slower than the equivalent single-threaded code on a single-core CPU. (As long as you count threads waiting for disk-IO and stuff like that out of it that is.) If apps are ever to go the multi-threaded route, single-core performance will suffer... Reply
stephenbrooks - Monday, December 05, 2005 - linkThere's a thing called an "if" statement :) You can write "if (nprocessors>1) {/* Multithreaded code */} else {/* Single-threaded code */}". Reply
Questar - Monday, December 05, 2005 - linkBS. There are many apps that are multithreaded that don't take a perf hit on a single cpu. Reply
yacoub - Monday, December 05, 2005 - linkIs this the new Cat driver that fixes the FEAR.EXE bug? Reply
bldckstark - Monday, December 05, 2005 - linkThe gentlemen at Sanda National Labs don't see the parallelization "problem" the same as most of the computing community, and take exception to Mr. Amdahl's observation. They have shown that the possible multiple CPU parallelization improvement can exceed Amdahl's theoretical maximum. They state that as the number of processors increase, the size of the problem introduced to the system increases allowing speeds above those previously thought possible. Here's a link to the horribly boring article.
http://www.scl.ameslab.gov/Publications/Gus/Amdahl...">Extremely Boring Paper With Too Much Math
Thank God we got that cleared up. Now maybe I'll be able to sleep tonight. 8>} Reply
phusg - Monday, December 05, 2005 - linkInteresting review, although disappointing performance.
Just commenting to say don't forget about us SMPers! All the talk is about DC although not everyone with a dual CPU has it on the same die!!! I have a dual 760MPX board with a Radeon 9600 Pro and am hoping these driver improvement will really help me out. Reply
Humble Magii - Monday, December 05, 2005 - linkThis article is silly....
Seriously I have been a long time Anandtech reader and this past year I have noticed a huge dropoff in quality! What ever happened to Anand's in depth reviews of CPU's and their architecture? I don't see that type of enthusiasm or detail anymore here.
Are the specific reviewers for certain articles biased? It seems this is the case whoever reviews a certain product nowadays is biased on this site. The new ATI drivers are crap not to mention are in beta.....
Who the hell cares about a driver update I mean seriously unless it was a huge change for the better or worse why report it? I don't see reviews on forceware changes or an AT article on the dual core drivers for Nvidia? I suppose there are no pro nvidia people at AT or at least maybe Nvidia doesn't pony up to AT's reviewer here?
Who has problems with Nvidia's newer drivers? I sure as hell haven't and I have a 4800+ with two 512mb 7800 GTX's. I never had problems with Nvidia's drivers. Everyone has a different system and just because you yourself have a problem when the majority do not does not mean the product sucks. I have had issues with a bios update utility due to beta creative drivers for a sb audigy I mean please people I would have never of thought of that but most problems happen because of what other software you have installed.
Who cares about the ATI X1K series I don't and most of the world doesn't especially since they are replacing it supposedly coming soon next year so why bother? They aren't even cost effective performance solutions comapred to Nvidia. Oh I would love to try a crossfire solution too bad there are zero around so guess what the only performance in graphics today is Nvidia. That's what we are stuck with now.
I swear this site no matter the trash ATI puts out will post it and put it in a better light. The forums here are even worse with all the newbs and their uneducated hate and bias to other solutions.
The site is dying Anand please replace Derek Wilson and some other members and start taking control of the reviews again everyone sorely misses you :(. Reply
heulenwolf - Monday, December 05, 2005 - linkI have to agree on the point that since this driver update provides limited improvement, does it really warrant all the work Anandtech is putting into it. I own graphics cards from both ATI and NVIDIA and tend to go for midrange cards, so I can see some relevance to similar users who happen to own an x1000 series card. At the same time, as the previous poster points out, the advantage from a change of cards is far greater. So why so much testing that it has to be broken up into multiple reviews for a single driver providing such a small performance gain to users of a single line of cards who run at low resolutions and only play certain games? The benefit just seems small for so much work unless Anandtech can substantially tie it to a more general problem. My recommendation to the author, then, is to spend a little more time describing why you did all the testing - what it tells us - up front and tie it to a more general problem users may have. Reply
bob661 - Monday, December 05, 2005 - link
quote:So the WE, the user, can know that this driver only provides "small performance gains". How else would you know? Reply
small performance gain to users of a single line of cards who run at low resolutions and only play certain games?
bob661 - Monday, December 05, 2005 - linkDamn it.....So THAT we... Reply
heulenwolf - Tuesday, December 06, 2005 - linkSo, now we know. Where's the need for a follow up? Reply
hondaman - Monday, December 05, 2005 - linkI think this review is quite interesting. There is a lot of chatter in the channels about how DC is useless for gaming. Its reviews like this that give us guys with dual core cpus hope that our cpus are good for more than just playing mp3's and encoding movies all at the same time. Reply
DrZoidberg - Monday, December 05, 2005 - linkwell after reading this article i still feel DC is only slightly useful when u are solely gaming. I mean why pay $200 extra for 2nd core to get 5% benefit at low res and when gaming at high res the benefit drops to like 2%. Like x2 3800+ and 3200+ are both 2ghz and about $200 difference and with these dual core drivers the 3800+ wins by 5%.
Rather put the extra $200 to video card if main purpose of comp is to game and improvement will be like 30%+, like going from 6600gt to 7800gt. However multitasking is a totally different story. Encoding movie and gaming at same time, then dual core is very worth it. Reply
porkster - Monday, December 05, 2005 - linkYou may only get 5% as the games are not taking advantage of the new features. Reply
mbhame - Sunday, December 04, 2005 - linkWho wrote this article? Reply
stephenbrooks - Monday, December 05, 2005 - linkDerek Wilson Reply
PrinceGaz - Sunday, December 04, 2005 - linkI have an X2 4400+ and like many other people have been forced to revert to the 7x.xx Forceware drivers because the new dual-core drivers cause certain well known OpenGL applications (3DS Max and PaintShop Pro for instance) to hang when trying to start them. If you haven't heard of this problem, just try googling and you'll get plenty of hits.
I'd rather have nVidia fix bugs before adding new performance enhancing features, but sadly it is all about getting a few extra pecent over ATI in the latest games it seems. Reply
hondaman - Monday, December 05, 2005 - linkNvidia claims that their drivers have DC optimisations, although i havent seen any review that shows one way or the other if it really does.
I personally found this "review" to be quite interesting, and hope anandtech does the same for nvidia and their newest drivers. Reply
mmp121 - Sunday, December 04, 2005 - linkDerek,
Do the drivers show any improvement while using a single core CPU w/HT enabled? Is it supposed to? How does it affect previous generation hardware? Are the tweaks only good for the X1000 hardware? You asked for suggestions, I gave some. Hope to see some of em answered. Reply
stephenbrooks - Monday, December 05, 2005 - link^^^ above are good questions Reply
johnsonx - Sunday, December 04, 2005 - linkSeems to me ATI had best get to the bottom of the single-core performance deficit in these 5.12 drivers before they come out of beta. All the fanbois would get their panties in a wad if the new driver hurts performance in the top-end FX-57 gaming rigs. If nothing else, they could include regular and DC-optimized versions of the key driver files and install them based on detecting 1 or 2(+) cores.
Actually, what might be even better from a marketing point of view is if they have a 'regular' driver that works fine for all systems, and a separate 'dual-core optimized' driver. Nothing gives users the warm fuzzies like being told 'oh, for YOU we have a special, better driver. Later on, once dual-core is almost universal in new systems, they could just unify the driver again.
wien - Sunday, December 04, 2005 - linkThough a good idea, I fear the changes they have made to the driver to "parallellize" it can't be plugged in and out that easily. And if they can't, ATI would have to keep two separate code-trees (single and dual core) for their drivers, and update them both every time they come up with an improvement. What would probably end up happening is that the single core version would be more of less stagnant in terms of development (but with version numbers increasing of course), and the DC version getting the actual improvements. (Or the other way around... for now at least.) Reply
Pannenkoek - Sunday, December 04, 2005 - linkThe effort to optimize their dual core drivers to mitigate the single core performance loss is far less than keeping two parallel branches of their drivers in development. This is beta software, it's not as tuned as it can be. We won't know how the performance will be when the driver gets actually released. Reply
mlittl3 - Sunday, December 04, 2005 - linkThat's a good idead. Reply
huges84 - Sunday, December 04, 2005 - linkHow much RAM did the test system have? Reply
Furen - Sunday, December 04, 2005 - linkSince integrated graphics cards are the ones that (currently) lack things like vertex shaders, they probably will get a much more "dramatic" performance increase from dual-core drivers. Reply
Cybercat - Sunday, December 04, 2005 - linkamazing improvements! At 800x600... Reply
Pannenkoek - Sunday, December 04, 2005 - linkIndeed, I guess this article has only been posted because someone at Anandtech has worked on it, and didn't want to have wasted his time entirely for some beta drivers no one cares about. Reply
Cygni - Sunday, December 04, 2005 - linkYa, im sure all those people with Dual Core rigs, and all the people that will have Dual Core rigs by the end of this year (probably everybody on this board), doesnt care about Dual Core driver improvements.
In other news, i hope that post was a joke... Reply
Pannenkoek - Sunday, December 04, 2005 - linkThis is a _beta_ driver, not a released driver. Anandtech could have waited for the actual release. Now we won't be seeing any article on the real thing when it will come out is my guess.
Yeah, I'm sure all those people with bleeding edge dual core processors and newest generation ATi cards will rejoice at their 5 extra frames per second at the lowest humanly tolarable screen resolution in this age.
Besides, it can only be pathetic if they actually get real performance improvements. On higher resolutions it would only show how lousy their drivers would be if they use that much CPU power to make an impact in benchmarks if the driver is off-loaded to another core. And on lower resolutions they apparently stall their rendering pipeline with current drivers. Thumbs up.
Andyvan - Sunday, December 04, 2005 - linkAre you seriously saying that it would be better to not know this? I was also under the impression that they were going to post a followup with more tests.
-- Andyvan Reply
Pannenkoek - Sunday, December 04, 2005 - linkI never said it would be better to not know this, whatever this may be. The article states explicitely that there'll be a follow up, I was a bit too cynic perhaps. ;-)
The point is, there's a lot of fluff about some beta driver which "takes advantage of dual core". Earthshattering. It's the least any graphic card driver developer could do. And I welcome any comprehensive tests and article by Anandtech on real products. I just don't see any point in this article, especially not in the light of an upcoming "complete" article. (I see one: self-advertisement). Good effort by the Anandtech crowd, but it annoys me after all the other prerelease & beta & exclusive vapourware reviews. Reply
Ryan Smith - Sunday, December 04, 2005 - linkKeep in mind that ATI's drivers seldom change once they hit beta. Once they're in beta, ATI is usually done with any coding and internal testing, and they're simply handing these drivers out to their partners for testing to see if in the unlikely event a problem crops up. So I certainly wouldn't consider these drivers vaporware, since they will be in everyones hands in another week or so.
As for why we did this article instead of waiting for the complete article, we felt it was more important for you to be able to see what ATI's dual-core changes are capable of now on the best of hardware, rather than wait longer for a full-comparison article. With the need to swap CPUs on top of everything else, it's going to take us some time to finish the full article. We can certainly wait until we have every last benchmark done, but we'd rather show what we have now and get feedback from you guys, rather than keep you in the dark any longer.=) Reply
bob661 - Monday, December 05, 2005 - linkDon't mind him Ryan. Some people won't shop for a Ferrari until they can afford one. Reply
wien - Sunday, December 04, 2005 - linkWay to talk for everyone... I care, so there. Reply
Jep4444 - Sunday, December 04, 2005 - linknot like games these days are CPU bottlenecked, thats why we really only see improvements at 800x600, nVidia doesn't gain much in the higher resolutions either Reply
porkster - Tuesday, December 06, 2005 - linkObviously you don't multitask? Like do you run a bittorrent client downlaoding off ADSL2 whilst playing a game, or run a IIS server in the background, or run other apps?
The days are gone of having a single task able computer as most users want multitasking due to their better understand and use of their machines. Reply
keitaro - Sunday, December 04, 2005 - linkThat's odd. I thought they're going to use either the X2 4800, the 4400, or the 3800 CPU for the test... I'm a little surprised that they'd go for the 4600 to benchmark this. Reply
johnsonx - Sunday, December 04, 2005 - linkwhat difference does it make? it's a dual-core cpu. for this sort of test, it makes no difference whether a 4600 is most popular to buy or not (which I agree it isn't).
Shimmishim - Sunday, December 04, 2005 - linkfirst post!
looks promising for ATI. Reply


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