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E3 2005 - Day 1: The Xbox 360 Updateby Anand Lal Shimpi on 5/18/2005 6:52 PM EST
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xype - Friday, May 20, 2005 - linkThe reason the games are not "ported" to OS X has a lot to do with OS X's current OpenGL implementation sucking just that much. Apple recently posted job offers for people to work on OpenGL and while they were oblivious to the developers complaining about OpenGL performance ("Yeah, it may be slow, but it's working according to spec!") I think that (and I might be very wrong), ironically, World of Warcraft and Blizzard gave Apple the kick in the shin it needed to wake up.
If you ever see a G5 with a X800, do run WoW or Doom 3 on it and compare it to a X800 equipped PC. Any difference you'll notice sure wont be because of the Dual 2.0 GHz CPUs and the 1GHz system bus, that's for sure.
I'd think that the XBox dev kit G5s are actually quite nice - simply because MS probably got their 3D API implementation sorted already. Reply
PrinceGaz - Friday, May 20, 2005 - link#27- maybe a UPS? Reply
Eug - Thursday, May 19, 2005 - linkHmmm... I think there were two Power Macs because it looks like in the picture that there are two screens. I still wanna know what that black thing was on the left though.
#23, they were Power Macs running the X800 XT or 6800 Ultra DDL. Reply
Felickzs - Thursday, March 17, 2011 - linkUh. The "Black Thing" looks like a cry computer ;-) Reply
Felickzs - Thursday, March 17, 2011 - linkThis: http://www.cray.com/Products/CX/Systems.aspx Reply
stmok - Thursday, May 19, 2005 - linkThose consoles aren't using PPUs at all.
There are using PPU's technology software wise.
Confused? Let me explain...
AGEIA, the company responsible for the Physics Processor, has NovodeX physics software...This is an API that allows you to write apps with full interactive environments/etc. In addition, it IS multithreaded allowing you to support multi-core or multi-CPU environments.
Both Sony and MS's consoles are multi-core/multi-CPU implemenations.
In the PS3's case, they use the API to emulate a Physics Processor Unit on the Cell CPU.
So it does NOT need a PPU. But its CPU emulates this function!
For the PC, you need a PPU.
The PPU will give you a fully interactive environment. eg : When a bullet hits a brick wall, you will see bits of it fall off. You can pickup and move items around, as if you were really in that room.
In all essence...
PS3 => PPU (emulated) + Sound(done by Cell) + Cell CPU + RSX
By the end of this year...
PC => PPU (hardware) + Sound Card + CPU + G70 or R520.
PC will lose out in graphics, because the G70 offers half the floating point precision in graphics and is clocked slower than the RSX GPU in the PS3.
Developer-wise, PS3 uses OpenGL and Nvidia's Cg APIs...So porting games from PC to PS3 and vice versa won't be too much of a problem. (You obviously need to tweak certain areas and re-compile on a different architecture.) Reply
sillyC - Thursday, May 19, 2005 - linkIt is weird that all these new consoles are gonna be sporting PPC CPUs. why isnt anybody (game consoles) using Intel or AMD chips? Is the PPC better for gaming? Are desktop computers going to be making the same migration? Now it seems clear why IBM dumped their desktop computer division, they are going to be making chips for everybody. Reply
nitromullet - Thursday, May 19, 2005 - link#20...
What would be the point of a dev OS for a G5 tower with a $500+ video card when you will be able to actually buy the console for around $300? Reply
Zak - Thursday, May 19, 2005 - linkYeah, all those iMacs with crap video cards like 5200, totally awesome gaming machines, LOL :D
Zak Reply
Houdani - Thursday, May 19, 2005 - linkI do have to chuckle at the irony of the Apple360 there.
The XB360 case looks fine, dunno what folks are bellyaching about. A brushed metalic finish would be better than the default white, though, particularly for the controllers -- imagine how grimy looking those white controllers are going to look after a month of use. Ick. Hope they clean up nicely.
Maybe it's part of a brilliant Marketing master plan. Use white so that the controllers show their dirt sooner, prompting consumers to junk the controller and buy a new one. Cha-ching. Reply
MaverickUK - Thursday, May 19, 2005 - linkThe reason why where are two G5s, is so that if the one running the demo breaks down, they can simply switch over to the spare one.
Like a spare tire :) Reply
Visual - Thursday, May 19, 2005 - linkI realise that the G5s were not running on standard OS-X. But it's interesting if all these xbox games can easily be ported to run on OS-X, with the eventual release of G70 or R500 I guess the G5s will have enough power for them anyway.
Or if the games themselves can't be easily ported to OS-X, maybe a leaked version of the xbox dev-kit OS can still be used to run xbox games on macs? It would be even greater if consumers got legal access to such kind of OS, I wish microsoft would release it.
Even if it turns out that G5s are too slow for the task, I'm sure there'll be multi-core or Cell-based macs coming our way soon, so a way to run xbox games on them would still be a great thing.
My question is, what is the chance of that happening? Reply
linkdown - Thursday, May 19, 2005 - linkThe hard drive is DISCREET. DISCREET Reply
dripgoss - Thursday, May 19, 2005 - linkA few points to consider:
Those G5's are not dev kits - they are Alpha kits running at about 1/3 the power of the actual 360. Beta kits will be closer to the actual product and should start hitting devs within the next month. These ADK's are even lovingly dubbed "Xbox 120's" in the dev community. MS is using IBM CPU's as the G5 is, so it only makes sense to use this Alpha architecture.
AA is not handled on these systems like on a traditional GPU running on a PC. It's hard to understand for us PC geeks, but the CPU/RAM will handle many of the graphic processes and although a screamer, the G5 is not an Xbox 360 so it's not completely apples and apples at this point graphics-wise. Production graphics are definitely more clean.
#7, it's tough to imagine, but development is so accelerated that MS will successfully release fully capable hardware by its anticipated launch don't worry about that. If E3 were to have happened next month, you might actually have seen all the demo booths running beta kits with the bells and whistles and possibly even that slick looking little case.
BTW - Most of the really cool stuff either has happened or will happen behind closed doors this E3 so stay tuned - it's going to get even better... Reply
Reflex - Thursday, May 19, 2005 - linkAnand - Final 360 hardware should be done in July(I can't state actual milestone dates but thats close enough) and the current dev kits are roughly 1/3 the power of the final product.
#2: Its not pressure on game devs that has stopped Mac game development, the issue is Apple's lack of a competing API. DirectX makes it very simple to access everything a dev needs on a PC, there is nothing comparable for the Mac. Even PC OpenGL devs use DirectX for much of the non-graphics functions(DirectSound and DirectInput for example). There is no real unified API to give game developers all they need on the Mac, and until there is gaming development won't really take root on the platform.
#5: The Mac G5 kits are running a custom PowerPC version of the NT kernel, so you are correct. Reply
LanceVance - Thursday, May 19, 2005 - linkAnand,
Understood; you actually did have insider information, you weren't just making a blind consumer observation, and I retract my comment.
Thanks for the response and the excellent site.
Shinei - Thursday, May 19, 2005 - linkWhy didn't Microsoft just sell the G5 they're using instead? Wouldn't it have saved a ton of time and money?
New from Microsoft: The Apple G5-X! Reply
Eug - Thursday, May 19, 2005 - linkWhy are two Power Macs needed?
P.S. It's nice to see that MS is finally starting to understand the concepts of aesthetics in design. Reply
sxr7171 - Thursday, May 19, 2005 - linkMS using G5s for their Xbox demos? The irony of it all. Reply
knitecrow - Thursday, May 19, 2005 - linkMicrosoft has stated because they are so close to launch they wanted to show actual real, live running games instead of tech demos, even if it is on dev kits.
(1) did you get a chance to check out the games? Perfect Dark?
(2) Which are the actual specs of the X360 hardware. And I don't mean the marketing fluff put out.
How many transistors does the X360 CPU have; is the related to the PPC core in the cell? etc
About the R500, how big is the actual silicon and how does it compare to current gen X800XT
Eug - Thursday, May 19, 2005 - linkWhat was the black thing to the left of the G5 Power Macs? Reply
Anand Lal Shimpi - Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - linkSon of a N00b
There is clearly hardware running, as ATI had a console at their booth (and more behind the scenes).
The hardware isn't final yet, so I can understand Microsoft wanting to have folks run on dev hardware until then. It is getting a bit close to not be running on actual units, but then again I don't have a lot of experience with console development so I don't know for sure what's out of the ordinary.
Take care,
Anand Reply
Anand Lal Shimpi - Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - linkLanceVance
The operators of numerous demos informed me of all of the visual features that had to be turned off or down because of the slower-than-360 GPU in the systems.
Take care,
Anand Reply
ksherman - Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - link"all of Microsoft's Xbox 360 kiosks were running G5 systems"
--LMFAO!!! Reply
Son of a N00b - Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - link#5, what you said can only be speculated on, and could or could not be true(granted i am not a console guy) but i am sure Anand also thought about these things, and left it out to get the article up...id rather just see the pics and facts...ill save any other deducting for myself...
anyways i find that a bit low of MS to not even be running their actual 360's for the demo's...you would think though that they would be able to at thsi stage becuase they are SUPPOSED to be out by the end of this year, which is probably true becuase they want their christmas sales, so it must be for other reasons...can you shed any light on this and current dev xbox 306 systems anand? Reply
JarredWalton - Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - linkDev Kits - especially in advance of the actual platform release! - are almost always slower. MS, Sony, Nintendo... it doesn't matter; they do NOT want to build a supposedly "next gen" console with old technology. However, they also need games at launch.
So MS or whoever tells the devs that the final product will be at least 2X or 3X as powerful as the early Dev Kit and games are developed around that spec. As launch date nears, you can pretty much guarantee that the game developers are going to get early *real* hardware to verify performance and functionality. Reply
LanceVance - Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - link"Because the G5 systems can only use a GeForce 6800 Ultra or an ATI Radeon X800 XT, developers had to significantly reduce the image quality of their demos"
That sounds like naive and inaccurate consumer speculation.
Sure, when you buy an off the shelf G5 as a regular consumer those may be your only high-end options, but despite it looking like a plain G5 enclosure from a distance it's highly likely Microsoft and ATI are using custom hardware on those things. Believe it or not, these guys do have access to graphics cards that you can't buy at a Best Buy or an Apple Store. I guarantee you that those G5 enclosures are running lots of custom software; I would speculate that they aren't running Mac OS at all.
It's also likely that those dev kits in G5 enclosures simulate what is expected to be the final hardware (or something close) and the final console units don't even exist yet. Those xbox 360's on display are probably just empty enclosures.
I expect more from AnandTech; that sounds like a comment from a naive consumer who has had no industry exposure and never used or seen a dev kit. Reply
Cygni - Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - linkThe G5 has been the dev kit for the Xbox360 from the start. PowerPC core in the 360, rememba'? Im not surprised at all to see the games running on a dev machine, although its kinda ghey of MS to put non working 360's in a window to make it look like your playing with them (although, as noted, they werent lit up and the G5's werent really hidden) Reply
Denial - Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - linkerr... x86. :) Reply
Denial - Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - linkIt's obvious that Mac's are the supperior gaming platfom and it's because of Microsoft's pressure on game developers that we've all been gaming on sub-poar i386 systems all these years. Reply
GonzoDaGr8 - Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - linkHeh Heh, that had to kill Microsoft to have to buy all them G5's. :-) Reply


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Hi there
This is probably a very basic issue, however, I'm not yet completely au fait with responsive css.
I'd like to know how I can fit the header logo (Clinch Auto) into the the smallest width. URL provided below including copy of the @media CSS below.
Would I need to add another @media with a smaller max-width and would I need to place a bg image containing less height than the current logo size?
Currently the logo is bigger than the smallest window size.
@media (max-width: 720px)
#logo {
margin: 0 auto 1em;
width: 100%;
It's not really clear what you are trying to do. Could you be more specific?
Sorry, I'll try to elaborate further.
Currently the logo in the header is a size of 350px in width. I need it to be a good size for the full width screen. However, when I drag my window to the size of a small phone the logo in the header is too big for the screen size and is cut off on the left and right margins. I am wanting the logo to fit at 100% in the header area without being truncated in any way. It only happens when the screen is smaller than 320px.
I hope this clarifies what I am trying to accomplish.
You could do something like this:
#logo {
background: url(../img/clinch-logo2.png) top center no-repeat;
background-size: 100% auto;
Though it won't work so well currently on wider screens.
However, I would suggest sticking with the image instead of switching to a bg image. All you need to do is set the image to
max-width: 100%;
height: auto
However, I would suggest sticking with the image instead of switching to a bg image. All you need to do is set the image to
Hi Ralph. I tried adding the max-width 100% as you suggested but it has not made a difference.
I do have this code in one css sheet - inuit.css:
.logo img{
max-width:100%; /* Width of your logo in pixels (ideally a round grid-number) */
height:auto; /* Height of your logo in pixels */
and this in another - eve-styles.css:
#logo, #logo img{display:block; width:350px; height:101px;}
#logo{float: left; background:url(../img/clinch-logo2.png) top center no-repeat; position: relative; margin: 0; z-index: 120; display: inline; /* fixes IE6 margin bug */}
#logo img{position:absolute; left:-99999px;}
but the second css is for display for full screen
Using the max-width: 100% on the image would imply removing the absolute positioning and the background image option for small screens. I should have specified that.
Inuit.css does have max-width: 100%, but the width: auto is overridden by the width set in the other style sheet:
#logo, #logo img {
display: block;
width: 350px;
height: 101px;
So I'd suggest perhaps removing that height setting altogether, or at least placing it just in a media query for large screens. It's getting in the way.
Hi, Feliciaf.
Here's something to try that centers the image and allows it to shrink at narrow widths. (delete the red properties)
I did not separate the media queries from the defaults except via the comments in #logo. Good luck
#logo {
background: url("../img/clinch-logo2.png") no-repeat scroll center top rgba(0, 0, 0, 0);
display: inline;
float: left;
position: relative;
z-index: 120;
width:100%; /* at narrow widths */
margin: 0 auto 1em; /* at narrow widths */
#logo img {
display: block;
position: absolute;
left: -99999px;
margin: 0 auto;
/* properties were moved from this combo of selectors. */
#logo, #logo img
display: block;
height: 101px;
width: 350px;
Thank you very much! That worked. I do notice one weeee change that has made to the menu which is now situated directly under the header to the right, where before, it was positioned in the header to the top right.
I find that when I remove the 100% width from on the logo, for the large screen, it pops back up to its correct position, naturally. And when I remove the "float:right;" from the nav menu, it pops back up into header area but not exactly in to the right top corner.
I could replace the float in the nav menu with a "display: inline;" but then it is situated directly under the logo to the left.
I'm not sure what the best solution or answer is to this.
Sorry, my bad, I haven't tried to break down your code into the incremental media queries. Maybe this will be clearer.
#logo {
float: left;
position: relative;
z-index: 120;
These next two properties should not be part of #logo at full width; they should be added to #logo via the media query at the same point where the Home, About, and Contact buttons become center aligned (the media query with max-width:960px).They seem to be in the responsive CSS already at line 265.
#logo {
width:100%; /* at narrow widths */
margin: 0 auto 1em; /* at narrow widths */
Likewise, the following selector should be added in that same media query (for narrow widths):
#logo img {
display: block;
margin: 0 auto;
The "#logo img" selector seems to be missing right now. Use the full selector as shown so only the image in #logo is affected.
Fingers crossed
I just took another look at my earlier dabbling. It was the 720px query where the buttons and logo image changed from their end positions to being center aligned. I'm not sure why I thought it was the 960px query in my last post. Something changed that didn't register between my ears. :rolleyes:
Thanks very much for all your effort with this. That did the job well. I find often scrolling through so many CSS files overwhelming and sometimes I just cannot connect the dots nor find what I am looking for! However, this has fixed my issue nicely thank you.
It looks to me like these entries need to be deleted from the 721px to 960px query:
eve-styles.css (lines 260-265)
#logo{margin:0 auto 1em; width: 100%;}
#logo img {
display: block;
margin: 0 auto;
#nav.main{margin: 0 auto;float: none; padding: 0.4em 0 0 0}
I believe that will do the trick.
Code can be hard to read. I tend to write most of my HTML and CSS using indents rather than inline. "Ron readable", I call it. :p. It's much easier to understand, modify, or troubleshoot, especially a year or more down the road.


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Fowler Packing Co. is drawing half of its power from an array of solar panels covering 10 acres in Fresno, Calif.
The 2.3-megawatt system is among the largest privately owned commercial systems in the state, said Fowler Packing's Leland Parnagian.
The project, installed by Fresno-based Don Pickett & Associates Inc., took about six months for construction and went online in October.
"The power generated on that 10 acres goes to supply our packing and storage operations and covers about 50% of our usage," Parnagian said. The investment will pay for itself in about five years, he estimates.
The company is now packing citrus. It packs other tree fruit and table grapes in summer.
"Solar power provides one more way Fowler Packing can continue to make investments in the future and the long-term sustainability of our company," Justin Parnagian, director of sales, said in an e-mail. "Environmental responsibility is an important consideration at every stage of our operation. By generating solar power we can further this commitment while also making a sound economic decision."
It uses 8,256 solar panels. A single-axis tracker follows the sun through the day. A 3,000-foot trench is used to transfer power from the array to the meter.
It's expected to produce 4.3 million kilowatt hours annually, said Mike Pickett, partner in Don Pickett & Associates Inc.
Seventy percent of the system cost will be reimbursed through federal tax credits and incentives from the California Solar Initiative, Pickett said.


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In a scheme traced to a Russian computer and a hacker who calls himself "vorVzakone," 30 U.S. banks are under the threat of attack by a gang of international computer criminals.
While this may sound like something from a fictional James Bond movie, the plot looks to be very real. According to a white paper issued by security technology company McAfee, the banking industry needs to prepare for an attack that could wipe out hundreds of millions of dollars. The attacks fall under the umbrella of Project Blitzkrieg, and rumors of its authenticity have been swirling for some time. According to McAfee's extensive research, the rumors are true.
"McAfee Labs believes that Project Blitzkrieg is a credible threat to the financial industry and appears to be moving forward as planned," writes Ryan Sherstobitoff, a threats researcher with McAfee Labs.
In fact, it looks as though there already have been at least 300 victims in the U.S.
What can you do to protect yourself? Other than closely monitor your balance to immediately report any stolen funds, not much. This isn't as simple as a hacker uncovering your credit card info and going on a shopping spree. It involves techniques such as so-called victim machine cloning and webinjects. It's up to banks to protect you from these kinds of sophisticated cybercrimes. It's part of the reason that you pay bank fees. Financial institutions have to invest in resources that can fend off these malicious activities, and those resources cost a lot of money.
The banking industry has been under attack this year. Just a few months ago, all of the major U.S. banks suffered massive distributed denial of service attacks that prevented account holders from accessing bank websites. While big banks were the targets of those attacks, Sherstobitoff suggests that this attack could be geared toward small banks, too. He writes that Project Blitzkrieg may target "smaller financial institutions in the hope of exploiting their lack of expertise in dealing with such incidents."
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Versatile linebacker has UF among top options
Published: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 at 8:00 a.m.
Last Modified: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 at 11:17 p.m.
After attending Friday Night Lights as a spectator last week, Jeffery Holland knew he would have options at Florida.
A 2015 linebacker from Jacksonville Trinity Christian, Holland was able to speak with Gator coach Will Muschamp and defensive coordinator D.J. Durkin about where he fits in Florida's defense.
At 6-foot-2, 230 pounds, Holland believes his versatility would allow him to potentially play either inside or outside linebacker positions for the school of his choice.
"We talked about the future and all the schemes on defense," Holland said. "They said I could play at any of three linebackers, because I'm athletic and fast. So that's a plus."
Holland, who along with UF, owns offers from 10 other SEC schools, did not have any early favorite schools to list in his recruitment but said Florida is going to be a "top school" when he narrows down his choices.
"I grew up liking Florida," Holland said. "It's going to be one of my options."
Though Holland chose not to participate in the evening's drills, he was able to spend time with his former Trinity Christian teammate Nick Washington. A freshman safety for the Gators, Washington enrolled at Florida this summer.
Holland stayed with Washington in Gainesville until Sunday before returning home. In the fall, Holland plans to attend every Florida home game.
"I love talking with (Washington), and he said the coaches are taking care of him down here," Holland said. "He says they take care of you and it's like home. Right down the street from Jacksonville, so he said he likes it."
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Welcome to Tuesday's unusually large The Crap We Missed. This is mostly due to an extended weekend but also because I don't know how to ignore shots like Katy Perry tweeting a pic of Mickey Mouse getting to third base (No, really.), Bradley Cooper as Asia's version of Waldo, Times Square getting a Wendy's, as well as Gerard Butler figuring out how to keep the urinal cake from sliding out of his jock strap and finally, Pamela Anderson taking one look at that microphone and asking "You know who I am, right?"
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Wednesday, May 29, 2013 from 1:00 PM to 4:00 PM (CDT)
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Expressions & Expressions II: New Girl Groups at Sunny Ridge
Does your daughter struggle with peer issues? Or seem to have a difficult time talking about adoption? Does she shut down when you try to talk to her? Sunny Ridge Family Center presents two new Girl Groups called "Expressions" and "Expressions II" to help support your adopted daughter.
These new groups combine fun and a therapeutic component to assist your daughter in gaining more confidence, managing her feelings in a healthy and appropriate way, developing her social skills, and processing adoption-related issues with others who are experiencing similar circumstances. Groups include team-building exercises, games, crafts, and discussion time. We offer your daughter a fun, safe, and nurturing group with other girls her age. All group sessions are led by an adoption-competent clinical social worker.
Who: Girls ages 9-12 or 13-17 who were adopted domestically, internationally or through foster care. A concurrent parent support group will take place each evening as well.
When: Meets monthly from 6:30 - 8:00pm.
EXPRESSIONS (Ages 13-17)
Meets Tuesdays: February 19, March 19, April 23 and May 14; 6:30-8:00pm
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EXPRESSIONS II (Ages 9-12)
Meets Tuesdays: February 26, March 26, April 30 and May 21 & May 28; 6:30-8:00pm
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Where: Sunny Ridge Family Center, 270 Remington Boulevard, Suite C, Bolingbrook, Illinois 60440
Fee: $60 per session/per family
Led by: Pam Shepard, LCSW, Supervisor of Parent Training and Adoption Counseling Services
For questions and more information, please call Pam Shepard at (630) 754-4522.
In the event sessions are cancelled in their entirety due to low registration, a full refund will be made. Should individual sessions be cancelled do to weather or other unforeseen circumstances, a make up date/time ill be announced, with no refunds given.
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270 Remington Boulevard
Wednesday, May 29, 2013 from 1:00 PM to 4:00 PM (CDT)
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Pigskin Barbecue Recipe
I've taken these saucy sandwiches to potlucks and tailgate parties with our polo club...and served them at our own backyard picnics. They're simple to make and always draw rave reviews.—Bobbie Love, Kapaa, Hawaii
- 1 bone-in pork shoulder butt roast (5 pounds), halved
- 1 tablespoon canola oil
- 1 cup water
- 1 can (8 ounces) tomato sauce
- 1/4 cup packed brown sugar
- 1/4 cup cider vinegar
- 1/4 cup Worcestershire sauce
- 2 to 3 tablespoons hot pepper sauce
- 1 tablespoon chili powder
- 1-1/2 teaspoons celery seed
- 1 to 2 teaspoons salt
- 1 medium onion, halved and thinly sliced
- 1 cup chopped sweet red or green pepper
- 1 to 2 tablespoons cornstarch
- 3 tablespoons cold water
- 14 to 16 kaiser rolls, split
- 1. In a large Dutch oven, brown pork in oil on all sides; drain. Combine the water, tomato sauce, brown sugar, vinegar, Worcestershire sauce, pepper sauce, chili powder, celery seed and salt; pour over roast. Bring to a boil. Reduce heat; cover and simmer for 1-1/2 hours.
- 2. Stir in onion and sweet pepper. Cover and simmer 30-45 minutes longer or until meat is tender. Remove roast. When cool enough to handle, shred meat with two forks; set aside.
- 3. Skim fat from pan juices. Combine cornstarch and cold water until smooth; gradually add to pan juices. Bring to a boil; cook and stir for 2 minutes or until slightly thickened. Return pork to pan and heat through. Serve on rolls. Yield: 14-16 servings.
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Patrik-Ian Polk: Writer, Director, Producer, Vocalist
Patrik-Ian Polk is a longtime partner and collaborator with the Black AIDS Institute and a member of the Black Hollywood Task Force on AIDS, a group of approximately 75 celebrities who have committed to using their VIP status to fight HIV/AIDS.
Patrik-Ian Polk's gay urban-friendship "dramedy," The Skinny, debuted with the third-highest per-screen average during its April 6 opening weekend, with a total of $21,157 at its two Landmark Theatre bookings in Atlanta and Washington, D.C. (where it was held over through April 19).
While The Skinny is not a chart-topping blockbuster, these figures are notable considering that the film had neither a major Hollywood distributor nor a Tinseltown marketing and promotions blitz.
"I was really inspired by the success that Tyler Perry had with his Madea plays, and he was making millions and millions of dollars before Hollywood suddenly went, 'Wait! Who is this?' " says Polk, who distributed The Skinny through his own Tall Skinny Black Boy Productions company. "And that was the impetus to make the movie myself. I know if this movie makes money, people will pay a little more attention."
The production company, which partnered with the Black AIDS Institute to promote health and testing issues within the LGBT community, continues the film's limited, one-week engagements in Dallas starting on April 20; in San Francisco, Oakland, Calif., and Chicago beginning on April 27; in Boston, Detroit and Philadelphia on May 4; and in Los Angeles and New York City on May 11.
Polk says that his story is about five former Brown University classmates--four gay men and a lesbian--whose weekend reunion in the Big Apple quickly turns into sin, secrets and lies. When asked about similarities to Perry's Why Did I Get Married franchise, he says, "That's a fair comparison. The only difference is they're all young and not married and coupled up, but in hindsight, it does have some similarities."
In addition to writing, directing and producing The Skinny--which stars Jussie Smollett, Anthony Burrell, Blake Young-Fountain, Jeffrey Bowyer-Chapman and Shanika Warren-Markland--the Mississippi native wrote, produced and performed all the songs in the film.
"Popular music is just too darn expensive," he says. "I have a bit of a musical background--I play the cello and the saxophone, and I've been singing here and there since I was a child--so I figured the best way was to do it myself."
Many of the songs from the sound track, soon to be available online, are "about some very personal experiences . . . with someone very specific," Polk says in a release. When asked to elaborate, he laughs. "We are involved, but it's super complicated," he continues. "I can't say we're together, but I can say we're definitely involved."
Ironically, at 38, Polk is something of a grandfather in Black gay cinema. Even before Black gay male directors David Barclay Moore, Kirk Shannon-Butts and Maurice Jamal arrived on the scene, the Brandeis University film-school graduate--who went on to study at the USC School of Cinema and Television (now called the USC School of Cinematic Arts)--delighted audiences at the 2000 Sundance Film Festival with Punks. The award-winning movie, produced by Tracey and Kenny "Babyface" Edmonds, is considered a modern cult classic.
Polk then created Noah's Arc, a scripted television series that helped launch an original-programming model for the MTV-owned Logo in 2006; and the 2008 hit film Noah's Arc: Jumping the Broom, which had audiences lined up for blocks for the sold-out limited-release screenings. The Skinny airs on Logo in July, and Polk is already working on Atlanta- and Los Angeles-based sequels, both set to premiere in 2013.
Call it progress? Sure.
But it's also a little like Polk's romantic relationship: super complicated.
"I think we're seeing a bit of a weird shift in that pop culture has attempted to mainstream gay identity," he says, noting a recent controversy at Logo. "They've shifted their programming in a way that none of their new shows features characters that are openly gay--they're considered of interest to gay people, but not really about gay people."
But, he adds, many ensembles now try to include a gay character just as they do Black and other minority characters. "Mainstream networks don't really want to have a show that focuses on one particular group or minority," he says. "And there are good things about that, on one hand; on the other, it decreases the number of Black or gay characters on TV."
The takeaway, says Polk: "Ultimately we just have to keep finding bold and innovative ways to keep addressing these kinds of characters and these stories, and we'll find an audience. So I always have hope."
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The Girls U12 Extra Team On a Roll
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In January, the Girls U12 Extra Team won the Corona Pony Express tournament. The girls sailed through pool play and met their Area rival, Culver City, in the final. The team wanted to avenge an earlier loss to Culver City in League play (Santa Monica's only loss). Both teams knew they would likely face each other in the Area playoffs so the game would give one team a lift going into those playoffs. Santa Monica broke open the game early and led 3-0 at the half. Culver City responded with a string of goals in the second half, but the girls held them off and won 5-2.
In February, the Girls U12 Extra Team represented Santa Monica and went undefeated in the Area 1-P playoffs, beating three Area rivals to advance as the number 1 seed to the Sectional playoffs in Riverside in March. In the championship game, Culver City was poised for a rematch. Despite giving up an early goal, the Santa Monica girls never gave up and quickly tied it up, took the lead and never looked back. At the final whistle, it was Santa Monica 4, Culver City 1. That early goal was the only one allowed by the girls, who combined for 13 goals during the tournament.
Later in February, the girls went to Riverside for the Locomotion tournament. The girls sailed through to the semi-finals, where they faced an Area rival, South L.A. (the team that would go on to win the All Star Sections). South L.A. scored first, but Santa Monica never lost hope and battled back to even the score. In the second half, Santa Monica took advantage of a tired South L.A. team and put in 2 more goals and secured the victory. In the final game, the girls faced another Area rival, West L.A., a team seeking to avenge their semi-final loss to Santa Monica in the Area playoffs. The game was hard fought and ended 0-0 in regulation play. In overtime, an exhausted Santa Monica broke the tie and held on to bring home the victory.
Two weeks later, the girls returned to Riverside for the Section Playoffs. They faced Corona in the semi-finals, winning handily 4-0. They then faced a determined Redlands team, but the girls started off with a quick goal in the opening minute and never looked back, winning 3-1. With that victory, the girls advance to the State Games in Davis next week. A trip to the State Games has been the goal of the team for the entire year. For six of the girls, it will be a return trip; for the other six, it will a first time experience to represent Santa Monica at the state level.
Team (as pictured) : Front row: Sophie, Mia, Giulia, Abbie, Bella, Alexis, Back row: Coach Gary Berry, McKenna, Maya, Jordan, Coach Adam Jensen, Scottie, Britney and Juliet.


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No. They were always that stupid.
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Dumb is more or less uniformly-distributed, and with a rising population there is only rising dumb.
A tide of dumb, if you will, perpetually increasing. A melt in the polar dumb-caps.
I was party to some encounters between self-professed liberals and strippers during which it became painfully evident that the former were more interested in peddling conservative social mores than in subverting patriarchal or otherwise unhealthy sex industry norms. I think they were made of pure irony. Such people were sorta mythical to me prior to those encounters. I thought feminists ranged from normal, reasonable people to naive "I want to hug a prostitute" do-gooders. Alas, no, there's more spectrum.
Also, a friend who earned ridiculous amounts of cash stripping during graduate study said at the time that she felt she was taking advantage of a female nightclub owner. She continued stripping for more than a year after her dissertation because it paid better than the research jobs she could find. Now she develops glassy metals and she's told me that she's considered stripping again several times because it felt like a less-sexist job. Her male and female patrons were apparently more well-behaved than her current clientele and coworkers. I gather this isn't a mega-rare phenomenon.
Anyway, I'm conflicted about the sex industry. Much of it is horrendously exploitative and in many areas it's just slavery, but I think outright prohibition of "vices" probably ends up being counterproductive, especially if the prohibition isn't done in concert with some form of social aid and/or change in cultural awareness (in which case prohibition necessarily entails booming illicit trade). I'm all for regulation, ofc. iyam alcohol should be more heavily-restricted in most US states than it currently is, but then I've been called both a regressive Puritan and an unscrupulous sex-slavery advocate... maybe I'm just scatterbrained. Probably.
Seriously? A country where I couldn't get a beer or wine with my meal at 16 or even 18 is a poor excuse for a country.
Though that leads to a point, which is people are capable of far maturer relationships with things if the society they live in is less hung up about it.
EDIT: seems it was based mostly around the Tom O'Carroll case, which was overturned on appeal a couple of years after the conviction, but demonstrated that a particularly zealous judge could convict based upon interpretation. Of course, a decent lawyer could have pointed to precedent, but given the tightening of laws in 2010 that's a hard case to push.
should mandatorily pay a $5,000 USD fine (regardless of BAC) and do 100 hours of community service and have your license revoked for six months with a year of probation. And you should be slapped with a stinky dead trout in a public square.
I don't know if you've ever seen what a half a five year-old looks like after it's been towed a quarter mile by a drunken imbecile, but I have. Yes, it's anecdotal, and yes, it's emotional, but people around here don't have the discipline to drink responsibly, and therefore they should be fucked over by the state until they can manage it. These people will get their fill regardless of the law (there are active outlaw stills all over my county) but dammit, that doesn't mean we should just let them be reckless morons.
I'd rather these hicks pass around a doobie than get sloshed, tbh, but thanks to the tides of history and culture these utter goons think cannabis is of the devil and alcohol is their god-given birthright.
*shrug* Sorry for the threadjack.
/edit: and fwiw, the drunken dweeb I was referring to wasn't a classless inbred hill-dweller; those types aren't really that common here. It was a cookie-cutter frat guy.
First is that our party of labor rights and general populism - the Democrats - has historically also been the party of puritan ethics and moral guardians. Those old Progressive Era progressives were the ones who were also the temperance movement types and the eugenics types alongside the union types. As such, being the big tent party that our system tended and tends to hold, we've had a real "you get the whole package" deal, which puts the labor rights question (sex workers are workers, too) in direct opposition with the moral guardian issue (women shouldn't be subjected to this debasement). You usually know which one you're dealing with, however, depending on whether the person you're dealing with frames the argument in a labor way or a trafficking way.
Second is that our strip clubs - depending on the local jurisdiction - have a lot of regulations and a lot of enforcers of those regulations compared to other workplaces. Now, if every engineering lab had two bouncers...
Oh drunk drivers are a different thing but yeah they are massive pricks. I believe we got our drunk driving stats down here without people drinking any less.
The labour party here was also closely tied to the temperance movement. Though maybe not as strongly.
On a personal note: the aforementioned lady wanted me to see her friend dance at her strip club and I disliked the experience; it was very embarrassing and uncomfortable. The dance was artful and athletic and impressive; I just retain some of my kin's conservative ways and I can't get past them. I've since been taken to raunchy and bawdy burlesque and pole performances that weren't in what we might call classical "imagine sexing me, guys!"-type strip joints and I found them great.
Unsurprisingly, I like the aesthetics of lithe, fit dancers gyrating in artful, fun and often-suggestive ways... I just dislike when crowds of mostly-guys gather to get a collective boner in the vicinity. I just can't (personally) abide that. I know there's a hypocrisy in there, but I also know I'm not the only guy who can take in a burlesque or poledance performance without imagining sexytimes or wanting to touch the performers or be danced on. My foibles!
As Nalano pointed out (and without getting too conspiratorial) an awful lot of political money here stinks of booze.
But that moralism thing: Sex slavery is obviously a horribly bad thing, but in what manner is it substantively different than any other slavery or trafficking in people? This isn't actually a leading question, much as it sounds like one.
Yeah it seems to be around 31% of all traffic accidents in the US but only 5% in the UK (also 4 times as many accidents per head of population), and we are not known for our sobriety. I think it was an incredibly long running crack down by the police combined with lots of educational programs. But booze isn't really the problem in that equation I think.
Political parties here are also linked with breweries and such. The difference may just be that the state is more powerful to boss us around, for our own good in this case. When I was very young it was quite common for people to drink drive but since the late 90s it's been an unbelievable social faux pas, admitting to drunk driving might as well be bad as admitting to physically assaulting someone's grandma.
EDIT: I still prefer to call Burlesque "Stripping with A-levels."
I imagine sexual slavery would be more psychologically traumatic than manual labor slavery, but I've not looked into it, tbh...
Right. Nick Mailer talked about that in a past Rum Doings (a podcast John Walker does with his friend). Undoubtedly much of it is a social construct. I wonder how much of it could be mitigated. If we could get rid of the stigma and fear of ostracization, would whatever physical and psych component remains be worse than the physical & psych damage of slave labor?
If it turned out sex slavery was indeed more damaging (in some meaningful sense) what would that entail? Harsher penalties for sex slavers than for labor slavers? I guess so.
I mean, I don't know if I long for a time where you have Local 69 of Sex Workers United marching on city hall in neon go go boots demanding compensation and hiring preferences based on seniority, but getting it all out in the open - and proudly - would certainly send quite a few cockroaches scattering.
Heh, I wouldn't mind that.
And again, the drunk driving thing is just a personal passion; if the desired end (less drunk driving) could be achieved via less-draconian means, I'd be all for it. It's probably just elitism on my part but something tells me many of the offenders in my area wouldn't respond to other deterrents and wouldn't take kindly to any sort of concerted push for cultural change.
New York drinking is: You drink 'til you fall over as the bars stick around 'til 4am (and if you act civilized, 5am), you get a nightcap at the 24/7 supermarkets that sell liquor, you pour yourself into a 24/7 taxi or meander into the 24/7 subway or simply walk back because the bar's two blocks away, and you wake up at home in time for endless mimosas.
Texas drinking is: You drink until the bartender cuts you off (I was once cut off due to a standing rule of three drinks per visit at some place in Houston, an egregious indignity until the designated driver circumvented it by buying three more drinks in her name and promptly handing them to me) or the bar closes at 2am, then you go sit in the "cooling off" section of the bar until you're sober enough to drive home, as public transit is a tale dreamed up by scurrilous wags back east.
Long story short, if you don't want drunk driving, you present alternative means to get to and from watering holes.
My neighbors wouldn't subsidize a drunkard taxi service, which is what'd be necessary in these godforsaken "I can't tell where the hateful burbs end and the sticks begin" sprawl-towns. There's a bar down by the river with not a domicile in six miles. Plenty of docks, though, and plenty of drunkards drowning year after year. It's something of a self-correcting problem; there's just not quite enough self-correction, if you get my drift. I'm compassionate enough when I'm in a state of detached reasoning, but... being brought up by "mind yer own business" conservative libertarian types, I often think "I don't care if they kill themselves, I just don't want 'em killing others".
I don't really want 'em to kill themselves via alcohol, but I'll be damned if I'm going argue about the responsibilities of drink with Earl Bishop McMasterton III, lawn-ornament aficionado, coal-miner and avid thimble collector (yes, I've met that man). I can shoot the shit with most anyone, and I did with him, but... ain't nobody gonna convince him that, er, he oughtn't drive after a "sip" (I'll let you be the judge of what lightnin'-volume a "sip" might entail).
So that's what this was about.
What if they just made it a law that you had to be drunk to drive. If everyone was drunk it would work out, right?


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Get an overview of this hotelLakefront Lincolnshire resort in North Suburbs with 2 restaurants
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Located in North Suburbs, this golf resort is 2.8 mi (4.5 km) from Trinity International University and within 6 mi (10 km) of Cuneo Mansion and Gardens and Raupp Memorial Museum. Heritage Park and Sportsman's Country Club are also within 9 mi (15 km).
Resort Features
This smoke-free resort features 2 restaurants, a golf course, and an indoor pool. Self parking is free. Additionally, an outdoor pool, 2 bars/lounges, and a 24-hour fitness center are onsite.
Room Amenities
All 389 rooms boast deep soaking tubs and offer WiFi and balconies or patios. Wired Internet and room service are standard, as are flat-screen TVs with cable channels.
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- Excellent breakfast
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Hotel Amenities
In addition to a golf course, Lincolnshire Marriott Resort features an outdoor tennis court and an indoor pool. Dining is available at one of the resort's 2 restaurants and guests can grab coffee at the coffee shop/café. The property also has a snack bar/deli. Guests can unwind with a drink at one of the resort's bars, which include 2 bars/lounges and a poolside bar. Wired and wireless Internet access is available for a surcharge.
This 3.5-star property offers access to a 24-hour business center and meeting rooms. Event facilities measuring 40000 square feet (3716 square meters) include conference space. This business-friendly resort also offers an outdoor pool, a spa tub, and a 24-hour fitness center. Complimentary self parking is available on site.
Lincolnshire Marriott Resort is a smoke-free property.
- Number of buildings/towers - 1
- 24-hour business center
- 24-hour fitness facilities
- Conference space
- Total number of rooms - 389
- Express check-out
- 24-hour front desk
- ATM/banking
- Dry cleaning/laundry service
- Golf course on site
- Tennis on site
- Conference space size (feet) - 40000
- Number of floors - 3
- Elevator/lift
- Number of bars/lounges - 2
- Barbecue grill(s)
- Coffee/tea in common areas
- Coffee shop or café
- Free newspapers in lobby
- Concierge services
- Fireplace in lobby
- Gift shops or newsstand
- WiFi (surcharge)
- Wired Internet access - surcharge
- Laundry facilities
- Meeting rooms 21
- Multilingual staff
- Garden
- Terrace
- Picnic area
- Poolside bar
- Porter/bellhop
- Luggage storage
- Safe-deposit box at front desk
- Number of restaurants - 2
- Conference space size (meters) - 3716
- Number of meeting rooms - 21
- Outdoor tennis court
- Snack bar/deli
- Free self parking
- Smoke-free property
- Spa services on site
- Spa tub
- Indoor pool
- Outdoor pool
- Outdoor seasonal pool
- Breakfast available (surcharge)
- Television in common areas
- Wedding services
Family Friendly Amenities
- Family Hotel
- Outdoor pool
- Indoor pool
- Outdoor tennis court
- Snack bar/deli
- Laundry facilities
- Playground on site
- Microwave (on request)
- Cribs/infant beds (complimentary)
Available in all rooms: Wired high-speed internet ( USD 12.95 per day ), Wired high-speed internet ( USD 12.95 per night )
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- Connecting/adjoining rooms available
- Free cribs/infant beds
- Premium TV channels
- Pay movies
- Video-game console
- Hypo-allergenic bedding available
- Premium bedding
- Balcony or patio
- In-room climate control (air conditioning)
- Free weekday newspaper
- Air conditioning
- Phone
- Coffee/tea maker
- Microwave (on request)
- Private bathroom
- Free toiletries
- Hair dryer
- Shower/tub combination
- In-room massage available
- Deep soaking bathtub
- Cable TV service
- Iron/ironing board
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- Daily housekeeping
- Flat-panel TV
- Wired Internet access (surcharge)
- Room service (limited hours)
- Rollaway/extra beds (surcharge)
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Where to Eat
Buffet breakfasts are available for a surcharge.
Kings Wharf - This steakhouse serves dinner only. Guests can enjoy drinks at the bar.
The Fairfield Inn - This restaurant specializes in American cuisine and serves breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
Brew Restaurant and Bar - This restaurant specializes in American cuisine and serves lunch and dinner. Guests can enjoy drinks at the bar.
Cranes Landing Bar Grill - This restaurant serves breakfast and lunch.
Room service (during limited hours) is available.
Nearby Things to Do
A golf course and an outdoor tennis court are featured at the resort. An indoor pool, an outdoor pool, and a spa tub are on site. Other recreational amenities include a 24-hour fitness center.
The recreational activities listed below are available either on site or nearby; fees may apply.
- Downhill skiing nearby
- Cross-country skiing nearby
- Mountain biking nearby
- Skydiving nearby
- Ski equipment rental shops nearby
- Segway rental/tour nearby
- Basketball on site
- Bicycle rentals on site
- Golfing on site
- Hiking/biking trails on site
- Playground on site
- Racquetball/squash on site
- Volleyball on site
If you have requests for specific accessibility needs, please note them at check-out when you book your room.
- Accessible bathroom
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Hotel Policies
Check-in time ends at 2 AM
Check-in time starts at 3 PM
Check-out time is noon
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Children and extra beds
- Children are welcome.
- Rollaway/extra beds are available for USD 20.00 per night.
- Free cribs (infant beds)!
- Pets not allowed (service animals welcome)
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Extra-person charges may apply and vary depending on property policy.
Optional extras
- Fee for buffet breakfast: USD 20.00 per person (approximately)
- Fee for in-room wireless Internet: USD 12.95 per day (rates may vary)
- Fee for in-room wired Internet: USD 12.95 per night (rates may vary)
- Fee for wireless Internet in public areas: USD 12.95 per night (rates may vary)
- Fee for wired Internet in public areas: USD 12.95 per night (rates may vary)
- Rollaway bed fee: USD 20.00 per night
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- Lincolnshire Marriott
- Lincolnshire Marriott Resort Hotel
- Marriott Resort Lincolnshire
- Lincolnshire Marriott Hotel Lincolnshire
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- Lincolnshire Marriott Resort
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The property has connecting/adjoining rooms, which are subject to availability and can be requested by contacting the property using the number on the booking confirmation.


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Twins unable to corral heavy-hitting Tigers
Bullpen surrenders eight runs after shaky start for Gibson
MINNEAPOLIS -- On a positive note, the Twins scored a combined 42 runs against the Tigers in their four-game series, while also picking up their highest hit total in a series since 2003 with 57.
But as good as the offense was, the pitching was just as bad, as the Twins gave up 31 runs on 60 hits to mark the most hits given up in a four-game set in franchise history.
That trend continued on Sunday afternoon, as the Twins knocked reigning American League Cy Young Award winner Max Scherzer out after five innings, but right-hander Kyle Gibson and the bullpen struggled in a 13-4 loss at Target Field. It helped the Tigers earn a series split in the longest nine-inning game for the Twins this season at four hours and 10 minutes.
"The [hitters] are doing fine, but our pitchers, we need to get more out of them," Twins manager Ron Gardenhire said. "Every time we give ourselves a chance we usually do pretty decent. We're getting too many short starts and so we need to get better at that. The hitters are doing fine. You just got to have both sides of it."
The Twins, who scored 38 runs through the first three games of the series, got to Scherzer for three runs on seven hits, but he was still able to come away with his 15th win.
Gibson didn't have his best stuff, as he surrendered five runs on eight hits and four walks over 4 2/3 innings to fall to 11-10 with a 4.31 ERA on the year. Gibson has now given up five earned runs in three of his past four starts for a 6.35 ERA over that span.
"It's one of those starts where six or seven innings and three runs would've been good, given the lack of fastball command I had," Gibson said. "So I think the more I pitch that's the consistency I'm looking for."
The Tigers struck first with a three-run third inning, keyed by a pair of RBI singles from Ian Kinsler and Torii Hunter. Victor Martinez grounded into a potential inning-ending double play but second baseman Brian Dozier made an errant flip to second base to allow Kinsler to score from third.
The Twins came back to tie it with three runs in the bottom of the frame. Danny Santana brought home two runs with a double before scoring on a single from Dozier.
But Detroit took over from there, scoring two runs in fifth, sixth and seventh innings and four more in the eighth to put the game out of reach.
"To get a split out of this, we'll take it, given how the first two games went," Scherzer said.
Gibson gave up the two runs in the fifth on Martinez's RBI single off the wall in left and Alex Avila's RBI groundout. Gibson exited with two on and two out, and reliever Brian Duensing came in to get out of the jam.
But Duensing served up a two-run blast in the sixth to Martinez, who had four RBIs on the afternoon. Detroit added two more runs in the seventh on a two-run shot from Rajai Davis off right-hander Samuel Deduno. The Tigers tacked on four more in the eighth on an RBI single from Eugenio Suarez and a three-run triple from Hunter.
The Twins had chances against the Tigers, including in Scherzer's final inning. Trevor Plouffe connected on a deep drive to left-center field with two on and two out but Davis made the catch at the warning track to end the inning.
Minnesota loaded the bases against reliever Al Alburquerque with one out in the sixth but Dozier flied out to shallow left field before left-hander Phil Coke was brought in to face Joe Mauer. Mauer worked the count to 3-2 but struck out to leave the bases loaded.
"They're all ifs," Gardenhire said. "You got to do it and get a big hit. We had a couple chances."
The Twins cashed in during the seventh on an RBI groundout from Kurt Suzuki after Plouffe's team-leading 37th double of the year moved him into a tie with Corey Koskie for the club record for doubles by a third baseman. But it wasn't enough, as Minnesota's bullpen gave up eight runs.
"We didn't have many good things out of the bullpen," Gardenhire said. "I think those guys are absolutely worn out. This series was a lot of baseball in a short period of time and our starters didn't get too deep into the games."
Rhett Bollinger is a reporter for MLB.com. Read his blog, Bollinger Beat, and follow him on Twitter @RhettBollinger. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.


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Out of prudence, I took a Jaccard to it gently. It looked so well-marbled, I could not imagine it being tough. Marinaded in Soy and A1 Bold (my wife didn't like it and we only use it on leftovers anyway.) Got the Grilldome up to about 600F, and gave them about two minutes per side. It was VERY tender, but not as flavorful as I expected for a close kin to flank and skirt. Actually, the NEXT day, I warmed it gently in the convection toaster oven, and it was MUCH more flavorful.. Maybe I was "smoked out" by the hardwood.. That can happen.
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A LONG-awaited specialist review on the future of Worcestershire's hospitals is recommending vital services are centralised at Worcester.
But it has not backed the closure of the A&E department at Redditch Alexandra Hospital - something that has been of grave concern to campaigners in the north of the county.
They have been lobbying for a full range of services to be retained at the Alexandra.
But the independent clinical review says consultant led maternity services and paediatric inpatients should be centralised at Worcestershire Royal Hospital.
However it is not supporting the closure of A&E - saying instead that a a new networked 'Emergency Centre' should be created in Redditch.
This would work in tandem with a new 'Major Emergency Centre' at Worcestershire Royal Hospital, where the most seriously injured or unwell patients would be taken.
The recommendation echoes the 'two-tier' plans outlined by NHS Medical Director, Sir Bruce Keogh, in his recent report into urgent care.
The review says consultant-led maternity services should be centralised at Worcester but that commissioners in Redditch and Bromsgrove should consider investing in a stand-alone midwife-led birth centre for North Worcestershire.
Paediatric inpatients should be centralised in Worcester, the review says, but a day-time consultant-led paediatric assessment unit at the Alex would accept referrals from GPs and other professionals.
The review also calls for clinical commissioning groups and Worcestershire County Council to review the public transport links between north Worcestershire and the Worcestershire Royal Hospital.
Under the recommendation, the Alexandra Hospital would become a county-wide centre of excellence for orthopaedic services and would continue to be a centre of excellence for urology services.
An alternative option - for another provider to take over control at the Alex from Worcestershire Acute Trust - was dismissed by the clinical review panel.
It said this route would result in "a significant inequality in the provision of safe and sustainable services to the population of Worcestershire".
Nigel Beasley, Chair of the Independent Clinical Review Panel, said: "We were consistently impressed by the focus on the best interests of patients described by commissioners and provider teams that we met during the review and we hope that by bringing an independent expert clinical voice to the programme we can contribute in a positive way to the future of acute hospital services in Worcestershire."
"We believe that our recommendations support the development of clinically safe and sustainable health services both now and in the future."
Dr Jonathan Wells, chair and clinical lead of NHS Redditch and Bromsgrove Clinical Commissioning Group, welcomed the report.
"It provides compelling clinical reasons for the reconfiguration of acute hospital services across Worcestershire and secures the future of the Alexandra as a vibrant local hospital," he said.
"The range of services recommended is significantly better than was initially proposed last year."
Penny Venables, chief executive of Worcestershire Acute Trust, said: "I would like to thank the members of the independent clinical review panel for the work they put in to evaluating the options for the people of Worcestershire.
"I believe they have described a very workable solution which will serve Worcestershire for many years."
The clinical recommendations will now be considered by the three Worcestershire clinical commissioning groups and Worcestershire Acute Trust.
If all the boards support them, they will be put out for public consultation in the autumn.


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* UK's Osborne sets new remit for Bank of England to help growth
* Government halves this year's growth forecast
* Tax cuts and measures to spur home-building
By William Schomberg and David Milliken
LONDON, March 20 (Reuters) - British finance minister George Osborne turned to the Bank of England on Wednesday to help galvanise a stagnant economy which he said would grow this year at just half the rate previously expected.
In his annual budget speech to parliament, Osborne stuck to his austerity drive in the face of intense calls for a change of course, but said monetary policy could do more to help Britain get out of its rut of near-zero economic growth.
The central bank's inflation target would remain at 2 percent a year, but that was not enough on its own, he said.
"As we've seen over the last five years, low and stable inflation is a necessary but not sufficient condition for prosperity," Osborne said to jeers from the Labour opposition, which wants more spending to help growth.
Osborne said UK economy was now expected to grow 0.6 percent this year, half the rate predicted just three months ago.
"It is taking longer than anyone hoped, but we must hold to the right track" he said.
Britain's meagre growth projection is better than that for the euro zone which is expected by many to contract this year. But it pales against other countries including the United States, which is seen growing closer to 2 percent over the year.
After a slump in opinion polls, Osborne and Conservative Prime Minister David Cameron are hoping for a recovery before they fight for re-election in two years time.
Britain's economy may already be back in a recession again after a contraction in the fourth quarter of last year, while rising inflation is hurting households.
The pound has also been falling. It is down around 7 percent against the dollar and 5.5 percent against the euro this year.
Among the measures announced by Osborne on Wednesday was a 3.5 billion-pound ($5.3 billion) plan to spur new home-building.
Tax changes included cuts in corporation tax to 20 percent in 2015 and on employment taxes for businesses. Individuals will not pay tax on their first 10,000 pounds of income from 2014, a year earlier than expected.
Osborne paved the way for potentially big changes at the Bank of England, asking the central bank's top policymakers to report back to him in August about the merits of setting "intermediate thresholds" for monetary policy.
Such changes might make the Bank of England operate in a way similar to the U.S. Federal Reserve which late last year said it would keep interest rates near zero unless unemployment and inflation reached specific levels.
The response in August by the bank will be one of the first tasks for its next governor, Mark Carney.
Currently head of the Bank of Canada (BoC), Carney spelt out how long the BoC would keep interest rates low, something the Bank of England may do under its new remit.
Carney and the current governor, Mervyn King, both agreed to the new remit, Osborne said.
It also recognised the potential need for further "unconventional monetary policy instruments", such as the massive bond-buying programme already undertaken. Another review of the mandate will be carried out before the end of 2019.
Labour's economics spokesman Ed Balls said it was Osborne who needed a new remit, not the BoE. "It's very marginal, it's tinkering at the edges. It's not a monetary policy problem."
After an initial fall, sterling rose against the dollar. British government bond futures pared losses.
"The change to the remit doesn't go quite as far as some ... had speculated, and therefore the reaction from the currency and gilts has reflected this," said Philip Shaw, an economist with Investec. "It does, however, potentially give the (Bank) more flexibility to ease monetary policy further."
Shortly before Osborne began speaking in parliament, some details of his market-sensitive statement were leaked on the Internet, prompting goading by the opposition.
Forecasts by Britain's budget watchdog showed economic growth was expected to pick up to 1.8 percent in 2014, Osborne said, also lower than the December forecast.
Osborne said Britain was on track to eliminate its underlying budget deficit by the 2016-17 fiscal year, one year before the end of a rolling five-year horizon over which the government aims to balance the budget.
But a secondary target of getting debt to fall as a share of GDP would not happen until 2017-18. That was a year later than forecast in December, when it was also pushed back by a year.
Britain's fiscal watchdog said one measure of the budget deficit in the fiscal year ending this month put the shortfall at 7.4 percent of GDP, among the highest in the European Union.
France's government has been criticised for not being tough enough with its budget which is expected to post a deficit of 3.7 percent of GDP this year.
With little sign of strong growth that would help restore its fiscal health, Britain could suffer further downgrades of its top-notch credit rating. Moody's stripped Britain of its prized triple-A rating last month.


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Situated on a short, winding lane in Louisville, Ky., is a concrete-and-brick building from a bygone era producing something for investors that today is anything but bygone: bourbon.
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The building, more than a half-century old and packed with tanks three-stories tall for fermenting grain and water into something much more potent, is home to Brown-Forman's (BF.B) distillery for Old Forester bourbon and Early Times whiskey. Brown-Forman's most famous brand is Jack Daniel's.
On the third floor, workers use wide-mouthed hoses to fill the vats with mash, as it's properly known, which at this early stage looks more like a batter than a beverage.
"At this point, it's sweet," says Brown-Forman's Woodford Reserve Distillery Manager Todd Roe, as the grainy mixture pours into a tank.
Once fermented, the concoction will be barreled, aged, bottled and finally sold.
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Like the mash, for investors who foresaw the consumer trend back to whiskey – and more specifically, back to bourbon, which is whiskey aged in new barrels – gains have also been sweet. One-year returns on Brown-Forman stock are nearly 30%. In five years, investors have doubled their money.
A key reason for this appreciation, according to the company, has been product innovation.
In recent years at Brown-Forman, household names have not driven domestic growth. Instead, it's been a vibrant new product pipeline, delivering such offerings as super-premium Woodford Reserve bourbons and new whiskies infused with extra flavors, such as honey.
"Consumers want a higher-quality product," Roe tells FOX Business. "They demand complexity and flavor. And that's what we're providing here."
Yet, as both industry insiders and equity analysts agree, it also means the innovation pipeline must always continue to gush.
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Before bourbon and whiskey, vodka underwent a similar evolution. "Premiumization," or the shift to higher-quality makes, took hold of the market.
On a parallel front, distillers attracted another customer demographic by introducing infused flavors.
Martinis – once a beverage only seen in classic films – were suddenly being shaken in bars all across America and featured in popular cable television series.
As part of this trend, in 2012, according to the nation's spirits association, 163 makes of alcohol were infused with orange, the most popular flavor, followed by cherry at 98.
The shift resulted in spirits stealing market share from beer and wine, according to analysts, a trend that has continued as bourbon soon charted a familiar path.
"(Growth) is really about innovation," says Brown-Forman Vice President Phil Lynch. "The Woodford Reserve Double Oak, the Woodford Reserve Masters Collection, Jack Daniel's Tennessee Honey or Early Times Fire Eater, these are all new brands that have come out just in the last couple of years."
Like the fruity vodkas, Jack Daniel's Tennessee Honey added a honey essence to a classic product.
"If you just stay still," says Lynch, "you're going to fall behind, because change is what the world is all about. And innovation is what consumer products are all about."
But, he says, tinkering with well-known brands, such as Jack Daniel's, is done only in rare cases and with great care.
"We've had about four new products from Jack Daniel's since about 1860. Tennessee Honey happens to be the most recent one. We think that's a reasonable amount," he says.


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