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Buffalo MiniStation Thunderbolt Review - An External with USB 3.0 and Thunderboltby Brian Klug on 8/1/2012 4:04 PM EST
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Guspaz - Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - linkThis is still a $100-130 premium over comparable USB 3 drives of the same capacity, which is just nuts. It's the same kind of markup Seagate charges (the thunderbolt goflex adapter goes for about $130).
This is silly: Apple has a thunderbolt ethernet adapter out for $29, which means the cost of the controller is below $29, and you can buy a card with a PCIe SATA controller for $15. Both of those would already have markup on them for the profit margin, so the premium for a thunderbolt external HDD should be LOWER than $44... Instead the premium is almost three times higher. Reply
PRPechek - Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - linkI would have to disagree with you. The Thunderbolt Ethernet Adapter does not have a Thunderbolt controller. At this link:
You can see a tear down of the TBEA and Apple is not using Intel's Thunderbolt-to-PCIe chipset. Instead, the Broadcom chip is directly connected to the Thunderbolt cable and it is just working as a cable transport layer. By design, the Thunderbolt "controller" is actually mapping one or more PCI-Express lanes directly over the cable, so that the MAC+PHY solution itself only needs speak PCI-Express and only requires the Thunderbolt PHY.
Note: that I cut and pasted almost all of the above from Stephen Foskett great breakdown of the TBEA chipset. http://blog.fosketts.net/2012/07/03/apple-thunderb...
But as you can see on the second page of this review Buffalo has a quite a few chipsets imbeded into the PCB to make a workable dual port solution and that raises that raises the BOM costs. Seagate's solution has a similar situation with their solution.
(Full disclosure: I work for Buffalo Technology) Reply
Olaf van der Spek - Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - linkSo why can't you do a TB - SATA bridge without TB controller as well?
What's the advantage of TB over USB3 if you merely want to connect a single HDD? Reply
ggathagan - Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - linkYour first question is not clear.
TB requires a TB controller on both ends of the cable, so the TB controller is going to be there no matter what.
Intel is the only company that makes TB controllers, so how would you create a TB-SATA bridge without the controller?
There's no advantage to TB over USB3, unless you have a MacBook Air, MacBook Pro, Mac mini, or iMac that has no USB 3 support. Reply
name99 - Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - link"There's no advantage to TB over USB3"
It appears that there is a substantial speed advantage --- almost 2x.
Look at the numbers: 200MB/s or so for sequential USB3, 370 MB/s or so for sequential TB.
This may or may not be worth $130 to you, but let's not pretend that the two are identical. Reply
Lonyo - Thursday, August 02, 2012 - linkYou must be missing the part where that only applies to an SSD put in after the fact.
With the stock drive which comes as part of the unit, the speeds are equal at around 115~120MB/s.
There is no performance difference between this drive when used with Thunderbolt, and when used with USB3.
And if you're getting an SSD to put in an enclosure, the difference becomes the difference between an empty USB3 enclosure, and one of these, which means it's more like $170+, since you can get an empty USB3 eternal enclosure for around $30, while you can't get just a Thunderbolt enclosure, so you have to pay $200 for the 500GB drive.
As shipped, with a mechanical harddrive in it, this drive is identical in performance to a USB3 external enclosure with no Thunderbolt. And $110+ more expensive. Reply
lin2log - Thursday, August 02, 2012 - linkAnd you must be missing (actually ignoring) the very simple original question: "What's the advantage of TB over USB3", which I don't see somehow applies to any one disk or peripheral, but rather is about the port ITSELF, so your insertion is completely irrelevant.
But I like how the question is quickly limited to "if you merely want to connect a single HDD", which makes it a nonsensically loaded question.
Simple: if you don't see the advantages for you... DON'T USE IT. Duuuuh... Reply
ssj3gohan - Thursday, August 02, 2012 - linkYou seem to imply that his comments are not valid, but that is not true at all. He has extremely valid points. What use is a proprietary interface with monstrously expensive interconnects, controllers, almost no second suppliers and no performance, power consumption, ANY advantage whatsoever? You're just paying a hell of a lot more for nothing. It's a big design flaw on Apple's side that there is apparently no USB 3 on some of their products, because that interface is obviously far superior except for some niche applications. They can promote the niche applications, sure, just make sure you can also plug in more conventional stuff. That's what expandability is all about. Reply
mavere - Thursday, August 02, 2012 - link"What use is a proprietary interface with ... almost no second suppliers and no performance, power consumption, ANY advantage whatsoever?"
Patently false. As you have the benefit currently reading a TB review, you may scroll up and look at the SSD numbers.
Cheers. Reply
AnnonymousCoward - Thursday, August 02, 2012 - linkssj3gohan is 1000% correct. Reply
scubaboy - Friday, November 30, 2012 - linkNo, because all of Apple's current lineup of machines, with the exception of the Mac Pro, have multiple (either 2 or 4) USB3 ports. In addition to 1 or 2 TB ports.
http://www.apple.com/why-mac/compare/ Reply
Lonyo - Thursday, August 02, 2012 - linkIt's not a loaded question.
The drive has no passthrough, therefore you are ONLY able to connect a single harddrive.
It's irrelevant what Thunderbolt can potentially do as a port, the port itself becomes totally irrelevant once you close it off by connecting this drive.
It doesn't matter if the port can do display connections, or anything else. Once you connect this particular drive, it can't, it can just access this drive.
Which is exactly the same as a USB drive would be.
Yes, Thunderbolt has other uses, but none of them are relevant when you use a drive without passthrough. Unless you are connecting it to the other end of a Thunderbolt device which DOES have passthrough, you are simply using Thunderbolt in the exact same way you would use a USB3 port, meaning any port advantage whatsoever is nonexistent.
Which is also why I said "With THIS drive", meaning this specific drive, not Thunderbolt drives or devices in general.
And I said "this drive" more than once, to try and make it clear I meant THIS drive. Reply
repoman27 - Thursday, August 02, 2012 - linkWell, you could put this drive at the end of a chain of other Thunderbolt devices. It doesn't so much limit the port as it does the chain. Reply
MobiusStrip - Thursday, August 02, 2012 - linkThe lack of passthrough is moronic. Talk about missing one of the points of Thunderbolt. Reply
sridhar.uta - Friday, August 17, 2012 - linkOf course you can see actual advantages of thunderbolt over usb3.0 only when you get into SSDs. Given the rate at which SSD prices are coming down, thunderbolt is definitely going to make a difference compared to usb3.0.
But if all you want to do is stick a single HDD, then you are right you wont see any difference using a thunderbolt or usb3.0. Other than the only added advantage of daisy chaining in thunderbolt.
But I would it is not a proper comparision. I mean usb3.0 was out since 3 years or atleast 2 years isnt it. It is now it is now that the usb3 devices have become reasonably affordable. Thunderbolt has hardly hit an year with much more advantages and speed. So it will take time for it to sink and it definitely will.
Consider it this way, no matter what disk you stick in it is upto you. Lets take a usb3.0 enclosure which according to you is $30. Right now the cheapest thunderbolt seagate goflex portable adapter is $99. Add the cost of thunderbolt cable $50. So, with that extra difference you are way above the speeds of usb3 and even if you use a 60gb or 120 gb SSD which you can get for below or at $100 you are ahead of the curve provided you have the need. Add the daisy chaining advantage to it.
So an extra premium of $120 only within a year of thunderbolts adoption. Within next 6-12 months you are gonna see more difference. Reply
Jaybus - Thursday, August 02, 2012 - linkThe answer is obvious. You cannot compare an Intel QuickBench score to a Crystal Disk Mark score. There is not even a baseline of the Windows 7 NTFS over SATA6 to compare to USB 3.
Both interfaces are so much faster than the drive itself that neither should have a performance advantage. The advantage for TB is that it works with MB Pros that do not have a USB 3.0 port. The advantage for USB 3.0 is that it is cheaper, and where TB's future is still not 100%, USB 3 will certainly be ubiquitous. Reply
ggathagan - Thursday, August 02, 2012 - linkWe agree.
The last part of my comment was somewhat tongue-in-cheek.
Maybe I should have stated it as "There's an obvious advantage if you own a Mac, since none of them have USB3." Reply
name99 - Thursday, August 02, 2012 - link"There's an obvious advantage if you own a Mac, since none of them have USB3."
Where by "none" you mean "every mac with Ivy Bridge", which means all the portables and probably within a month or so iMacs and Mac Minis, with only Mac Pro lagging? Reply
philipma1957 - Thursday, August 02, 2012 - linkto PRPechek so why put a slow drive in it?
Like I posted I purchased a lacie little big disk and put two ssds inside it I get 400 plus read and 350 plus write.
Why do I need this with a 5400 rpm slow motion hdd? It makes 0 sense to me. Reply
Lonyo - Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - linkAm I missing something?
$200 for a 500GB external HDD is not an "affordable price point" in my mind.
The only thing it has is Thunderbolt, which doesn't provide a real benefit when it doesn't have passthrough (so AFAIK, if you plug this in, nothing else can be used).
You can buy a USB3 1TB 2.5" drive for under $100 on Newegg. Less than half the price of this.
The only thing you lose is Thunderbolt, but as your testing shows, the mechanical drive is the same speed over Thunderbolt or USB3, so there's no loss.
The only way you lose out is if you want to throw in an SSD, in which case the entire concept isn't affordable anyway, due to the price of the SSD on top of the enclosure.
Assuming that people do switch to externals for storage for music and video, you don't need a flash external, meaning USB3 provides more than enough speed, and assuming you buy a sensible computer, you will have more ports available anyway (and leave any Thunderbolt ports free for other stuff).
I don't understand how your conclusion can possibly be reached based on what is presented in the article. It makes zero sense. Maybe for a Thunderbolt device it's a good deal, but as a Thunderbolt device it doesn't even make sense, so there's no reason to buy it in the first place as a Thunderbolt device, thereby leaving it to compete with far cheaper USB3 devices. Reply
lin2log - Thursday, August 02, 2012 - linkWhich part of: "Don't get it? Don't need it? Then don't BUY it." is confusing you exactly? Reply
AnnonymousCoward - Thursday, August 02, 2012 - linklin2log, you're nothing but nonsense.
500GB USB3 external drives are $70. Yet somehow, $200 is an affordable price point. What a joke. Reply
Dman23 - Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - linkI've been waiting for an affordable external SSD from Buffalo. This is great!! Faster thunderbolt speed, with the option to go USB 3, at an affordable price. Excellent!!! Reply
Sm0kes - Thursday, August 02, 2012 - linkUmmm.... this doesn't offer an SSD as an option. Reply
philipma1957 - Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - linkLets see t-bolt can do about 800 mbs read write. so you put in a hdd that does about 100 mbs read write why? last month crucial was selling 512gb ssds for under 375. Why not drop a big ssd in this .
Then sell it for 550- 600 and call it a day? Reply
Jaybus - Thursday, August 02, 2012 - linkBecause the previous gen MB Pros do not have a USB 3.0 port. TB is overkill for a hard drive, but the only other option for last gen MB Pro owners is USB 2.0 which drastically slows down even the hard drive. Reply
sicofante - Thursday, August 02, 2012 - linkSo let's make this clear once and for all:
If you buy one of those Apple computers that refrain from using the standard USB 3.0 ports, you are forced into a very expensive standard that won't give you anything extra except when:
a) The peripheral is capable of extremely high speed transfer rates (>5 Gbps that is offered by USB 3.0)
b) The peripheral can be hooked to a chain of TB devices (i.e. has TB passthrough).
Buffalo fails to make it in both cases.
You buy expensive Apple hardware? You've been properly punished by not being allowed to use USB 3.0 peripherals and forced to use an overkill (for the purpose) ultra-expensive technology instead.
You didn't fall into Apple's trap? Nothing to see here. Move on. Reply
KitsuneKnight - Thursday, August 02, 2012 - linkAll Thunderbolt devices can be hooked to a chain. Some can be in the middle (ones with passthrough) and others have to be at the end (like this one).
Your post comes off as incredibly angry and bitter... why? "properly punished"? Reply
Impulses - Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - linkYeah, the only way this product makes any sense is if they sell it with an SSD to begin with... There's no tangible benefit to the huge TB price premium compared to cheap USB 3.0 HDD. Reply
philipma1957 - Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - linkI use a lacie little big disk with 2 ssds in it. an easy mod. I put in 2x 256gb samsung ssds. I use it as an external boot drive for a mac mini and the internal slow 500gb oem is my backup easy peasy. 4 screws and the case is open.
I don't understand the use of a slow drive like the one in this case. Reply
Calista - Thursday, August 02, 2012 - linkCompare it to the USB2 numbers. It's a huge difference. This product is designed to fit well with Apple users where you can expect potential hosts to support Firewire, USB2, USB3 and/or Thunderbolt.
USB2 and Firewire is more or less the same, and USB3 has been with Apple for only a short while. So we have a situation where both TB and USB3 equipped Macs can expect superior speed while still being backward compatible with any Mac from the last century.
If choosing a USB3-only solution only a Mac only a handful of computers would support it (rMBP being the first) while TB was first included 18 months ago.
I'm not saying it's a perfect solution, but for the "right person" it's a solution superior to a pure USB3-interface. Reply
Sm0kes - Thursday, August 02, 2012 - linkJudging by the comments -- the "right person" is a very small minority, which underscores the disappointment with this and all previous Thunderbolt enclosures released to date.
Until a bare enclosure like this comes out at cheaper price point (~$60 - $80), these will be niche products. Reply
C'DaleRider - Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - linkYou're using a trademarked shape, the rectangle. Apple may want a word with you. Reply
name99 - Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - linkOh you're so witty! And really adding to the conversation... Reply
MarsMSJ - Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - linkI have a 13 " MBP Early 2011 and I only have two options, thunderbolt or USB 2.0. These drives are awesome especially since they include the thunderbolt cable. Apple sells this cable for 50USD. These drives are great for me and my VM (VMs wreck consumer ssd's.) Reply
name99 - Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - link"Port Ridge is popping up in a lot of places, for good reason - it's inexpensive, second generation, small, and has a low TDP."
Damn, our standards are pretty undemanding in this space, aren't they.
IMHO .7W is massive --- let's recall that we expect a USB2 drive of this sort to run comfortably off 2.5W.
Of course this will fall in time, but until then let's not pretend a pig in lipstick is Cindy Crawford. .7W sucks, and we better hope Intel does better than reduce it by factor of 2 for the next rev.
[As a secondary issue, what's with this idiotic fad for no-pass-through drives? IF we lived in a world where TB hubs actually existed, it would make sense. But since these hubs don't appear to exist, and Buffalo, for example, is not filling the vacuum, creating a device of this form is just idiotic. The already minuscule pool of people willing to buy a device like this is mostly people who
(a) have plenty of peripherals and
(b) were burned the last time round by FW800, with its lack of hubs and its peripherals that all shipped with no pass through.
Honestly at this point I hope either Intel or Apple just do an MS Surface and say "screw 3rd part vendors. These people are so damn incompetent they're making our product look bad, and WTF cares if our competition bankrupts them --- they damn well deserve it}.] Reply
ggathagan - Thursday, August 02, 2012 - linkSetting this up as a passthrough-capable drive would increase the price (more expensive controller), increase the complexity of the circuit design and raise the TDP to at least 2.8w.
That would make little sense for Buffalo, given the "already minuscule pool of people " you describe.
If and when TB has a more pervasive presence, I would expect to see pass-through designs. At this point, however, I'd say Buffalo's playing it smart.
The same holds true for the choice of hard drive. Not only are they the 1st to market with a relatively low cost TB external drive, but the drive choice means no external power is needed.
If it proves to be popular, adding additional drive options, as well as just the enclosure, will be very easy.
That's a win-win at this point in time. Reply
jacobdrj - Thursday, August 02, 2012 - linkI have been wanting there to be a Thunderbolt SATA Enclosure for a while now. Reason being: On all the new MACs, I would be able to upgrade everyone's computers without cracking open their system, voiding their warranty, and all a lot faster, just by implanting an umbilical-ly connected SSD via Thunderbolt.
I have at least 3 customers this would have made easy jobs of... Reply
repoman27 - Thursday, August 02, 2012 - linkOpening the case does not void the warranty on most Macs, AFAIK. But if you are concerned, you can always take the test to become an Apple Certified Mac Technician. It's not terribly expensive to do, and then you don't have to worry at all. Reply
sudokill - Thursday, August 02, 2012 - linkWhy are the sequential and some of the random read/writes slower on USB 3.0?? I would assume neither of the interfaces are being saturated by even the SSD. Is it more a OSX/Win 7 Issue?? I was expecting them to be more or less the same Reply
Graham. - Thursday, August 02, 2012 - linkBecause USB 3.0 isn't all it's cracked up to be. It's already too slow to handle the data that a modern SATA III SSD can throw at it, let alone a multi-SSD RAID. This is where Thunderbolt really shines. Reply
AnnonymousCoward - Thursday, August 02, 2012 - linkNo, sudokill has a valid question. USB3 can do up to 400MB/s throughput. The comparison did use unique SW and OS's. Reply
ssj3gohan - Thursday, August 02, 2012 - linkThere is just absolutely no point to this product. It is freakishly expensive for what it does in what has become a commodity market. The design decisions that make it expensive are idiotic. Thunderbolt is a couple tens of percent faster than USB 3, but this drive doesn't even come close to saturating any interface. There is just no point.
Also, it is clearly not aimed at disassembling and putting something inside that actually does benefit from the TB interface. It's cumbersome to disassemble and the device is (at least optically) internally damaged when doing so.
Who the hell thought of this and more importantly: why could Anandtech ever say it is 'an affordable price point'? Yes, it is affordable compared to a TB-carrying computer, but it's way too expensive to even consider when buying external storage (and after all, this is nothing more than external storage). It's more expensive than equally performing *wireless* hard drives! It's more expensive than buying a TB to USB 3.0 cable and any other commodity external hard drive. It's more expensive than buying a low-end NAS!
Talking about a high-margin market... Reply
philipma1957 - Thursday, August 02, 2012 - linkOkay seagate's t-bolt adapter is 99 the cable is 50 and a usb 3 adapter is 20 so 169 gives you the ability to use 2 drives since you have a pair of adapters . so for 169 I have an endless choice of drives and the ability to use 2 of them.
Of course I need to pay for drives.
this way I have a case with a slow 500gb hdd . And I have 2 ways to connect it. seems to me a lot of people would go for the seagate choice over this. Reply
repoman27 - Thursday, August 02, 2012 - linkWhat driver and transfer mode was used for the USB 3.0 tests? Were you using the Windows 7 driver? The numbers would seem to indicate BOT was being used. If so, was the maximum payload size the default 64 KB? Does this device support UASP?
This product really does seem to fall pretty far off of the price/performance curve. Surprisingly, there are some Thunderbolt products that aren't bad at all when you plot the cost per GB versus straight-line speed. Notably, the Western Digital My Book Thunderbolt Duo 6TB which Newegg was listing for $579.99 the other day (10.5¢/GB for 240MB/s speeds), and the Promise Pegasus R6 12TB which offers insane speeds, flexibility and good construction for less than 20 cents per GB.
This is yet another product that can only be rationalized for use with a 2011 model Mac. Every other PC with Thunderbolt also has USB 3.0, so why would you pay a premium for Thunderbolt in this case? The USB 3.0 only version of this drive is only $89.99 on Newegg right now. That's a $140 or 155% price increase for a feature that would only pay dividends on a 2011 Mac. Reply
mattlach - Thursday, August 02, 2012 - linkI will always prefer eSATA to Thunderbolt for storage, as eSATA is native. Reply
Graham. - Thursday, August 02, 2012 - linkYou don't understand. The beauty of Thunderbolt is that it is completely 'native'. Connecting a Thunderbolt drive is like connecting the drive directly to a SATA port on the motherboard. Or, in the case of a multi-bay RAID like the Pegasus it's like connecting to a hardware RAID card in to a PCIe slot. All over a single cable with no decrease in speed or added latency! Reply
mattlach - Friday, August 03, 2012 - linkOh,
That seems like it could have some neat usage scenarios then. Seems a little pricey for a simple external hard drive though, as now you'd need a separate controller in the portable unit, whereas with eSATA you are using the controller you already have on your machine. Reply
mattlach - Friday, August 03, 2012 - linkStill think I would have prefered a further development of the Expresscard standard shrinking its size and making more PCIe lanes directly available, rather than the development of something new requiring new changes to operating systems and drivers to ensure compatibility.
I wonder how long until Thunderbolt is properly supported under Linux.
Also, I have a strong distaste for proprietary formats. Reply
munsie - Monday, August 13, 2012 - linkEven better -- since Thunderbolt looks like PCIe to the host OS, most devices just work, even under legacy OSes that were released before Thunderbolt. As long as their was already a device driver available for whatever PCIe chip is in the device, it should just work. The only thing that might not work right away is hotswap support. Since Thunderbolt devices can be plugged in and removed at any time while most machines treat PCIe as only swappable between reboots, you might have to reboot your machine if it's running an older OS.
Thunderbolt and ExpressCard have more in common that you think -- both appear to the host OS as PCIe devices for the most part.
Also -- how is Thunderbolt any more proprietary than anything else? It's currently only offered by Intel, but I suspect we'll see more vendors offering chips at some point soon. Most are probably taking a wait and see approach. Reply
VKone - Friday, August 03, 2012 - linkHi there,
I assume it´s possible to boot from this TB drive to OS X.
How about booting to Win7 or Win 8. As far as I recollect, this has not been possible in the past with Firewire Drives. Does it work with TB now?
Thanks, CXC Reply
munsie - Monday, August 13, 2012 - linkIt would depend on if the BIOS supported it or not. Since a drive connected up via TB looks like another SATA drive connected to a PCIe bridge, the OS shouldn't care. But if the BIOS doesn't even look for bootable drives on SATA ports that aren't on the motherboard, it won't matter.
I think, but haven't verified myself, that any Apple machine with TB can boot Windows over TB. Reply
serons - Friday, August 03, 2012 - linkWhy are the controller chips in the cable and not in the devices that it connects? Reply
repoman27 - Friday, August 03, 2012 - linkThe controllers are in the devices, not the cables.
The cables are active, however, and have several small chips in each connector which help compensate for various signaling issues. This allows the use of thinner, more flexible, stranded conductors and can lower overall power consumption. Active cables are fairly common at signaling rates of 10.3125 GBaud.
Everyone seems to think Thunderbolt cables are expensive because they are active, but even passive twinax cables that can handle 2x 10 Gbps channels are pretty pricey. Reply
End User - Friday, August 03, 2012 - linkI was tickled pink when I popped a M4 into a $10 OKGEAR USB 3.0 case. Amazing how cheap things have become. That OKGEAR case certainly makes the MiniStation look a tad pricey but price is not the only factor I go by.
I bought the 1TB as soon as I finished the review. My 11" MBA has just 2 USB 3.0 ports so it will be nice to be able to connect a third drive. I can also connect it to the Thunderbolt port on my P8Z77-V PREMIUM. Reply
AnTech - Sunday, August 05, 2012 - link"Thunderbolt is in practice, which is a one-piece solution that's powered entirely over either USB2.0/3.0 or Thunderbolt."
What??? Reply
AnTech - Sunday, August 05, 2012 - linkMechanism inside? RPM? Sustained (read true) transfer rates (read & write)?
Please, bring 2 x Thunderbolt + USB 3 ports for both 750 MB 2.5-inch mobile and 4 TB 3.5-inch desktop drives. Reply
sarangiman - Friday, October 05, 2012 - linkHas anyone tested to see if the Buffalo Ministation works reliably over Thunderbolt (or USB) with a larger capacity SSD, e.g. a 512GB (Samsung 830) or a 480GB (Intel 520) SSD?
There was some talk that the power requirement of larger drives would cause disconnections over Thunderbolt in such enclosures, e.g. using the Seagate Portable Thunderbolt adapter.
Thanks in advance! Reply
VKone - Monday, December 10, 2012 - linkI´d also like to know. Any news on that? Reply
klutzak5 - Thursday, February 21, 2013 - linkWell, I can seemingly answer this question. I have tried 2 separate Crucial M4 512GB SSDs. and they have both crapped out spectacularly.
They initially format and work for a very short period of time. After which, the drives begin to disconnect after around 3 to 4 GB of sustained transfer. These disconnects happen reliably for a while and then the drive refuses to mount.
Attempting to re-initialize the drives will fail with a 'cannot write to last block' error in Mountain Lion. The drives are, for all intents and purposes; hosed.
I thought the first time this happened I had a faulty SSD. Then it happened with the next drive.
So I would say, based on my experience, that you should stay away from 512 GB SSDs, unless you want to run the risk of a $350 to $400 mistake. Reply
Kurobuta - Friday, March 08, 2013 - linkI have MBP 13 retina and it only has 2 USB ports.
I use a Logitech Anywhere mouse with one of those USB Unifying receiver always plugged into one port.
That leaves me only a single USB port for other stuff. When i backup this external drive to another external drive, then i need to unplug the Unifying receiver.. Not the end of the world, i would like to be able to carry on without that extra step.
I would like to be able to use my currently always empty TB ports for something... moving my external USB disk over to TB is idea.. Even if the TB Ministation isn't running at full TB speeds, that is okay because it is still way faster than USB 2.0.
On point is that i think it would've been ideal if this Ministation was designed to be easily opened.. It would definitely make it more appealing for the power user that might want to swap out for a larger capacity or SSD..
For those just wanting the ministation just for the interface, one could easily sell the hard disk on ebay for a few bucks.. or simply put it into a USB 3.0 enclosure and use it for backups.. one could never have too many usb disks! Reply


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Two Minor League players suspended
The Office of the Commissioner of Baseball announced today that two Minor League players have been suspended following their violations of the Minor League Drug Prevention and Treatment Program.
Atlanta Braves Minor League right-handed pitcher Victor Joaquin has received a 72-game suspension without pay after testing positive for a metabolite of Nandrolone.
Braves Minor League right-handed pitcher Alvaro Silvestre has received a 72-game suspension without pay after testing positive for a metabolite of Boldenone.
Joaquin and Silvestre are both currently on the roster of the Dominican Summer League Braves. The suspensions of both players, which represent the first suspensions for performance-enhancing substances under the new Minor League Drug Prevention and Treatment Program, are effective immediately.
Under the rules of the new program for a short-season league, a first violation receives a discipline of 80 games or the total number of championship season games in the league, whichever is shorter. The Dominican Summer League plays a 72-game championship season schedule, thus the suspensions of Joaquin and Silvestre are for 72 games each.

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MP Rathgeber promotes value of independence
Saturday, Mar 15, 2014 06:00 am
In the nine months since he resigned from the Conservative caucus, Brent Rathgeber has made it his mantra to explain to Canadians that the current government suffers from overreliance on talking points and party discipline.
But there's no room for cheerleading in responsible governance, he said.
Rathgeber reviewed the nature of his new role as an independent member of Parliament before members of the St. Albert and District Chamber of Commerce Wednesday.
"The difference between being a member of a caucus and an independent conservative is the difference between partisan cheerleading and attempting to hold the government to account," he said.
Canadian taxpayers and citizens are increasingly shut out of the government's decision-making process, he said. Meanwhile the country has become a welfare state reliant on the ruling of bureaucrats.
The system of checks and balances has become obscure, he says. Parliament has lost its role in holding the executive accountable. Yet it is this elected Parliament, the provincial legislature and municipal councils who must represent the taxpayers, he says.
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Despite his criticism, Rathgeber makes it no secret that he remains a conservative at heart. He supported the 2014 budget and the Conservatives' substantive legislative agenda. He voted against the government 16 out of 46 times during this parliamentary session.
The values that brought him to the party remain the same: accountability, transparency and respect of the taxpayer. Except now, they have all but disappeared or been compromised "on the altar of electoral expediency," he said.
He voted against C-23, the Fair Elections Act, and now supports slightly more private members' bills and motions than he opposes. He also wants to make decisions based on how they might affect his constituents, he said.
Yet Rathgeber says constructive criticism is the opposite of a lack of loyalty.
"As the yes-men will blindly cheer at bad policy development, the constructive critic, who is not shy of speaking truth to power, does the government that he or she serves a favour by advising his colleagues of the proposed policy shortcomings," he said.
While Rathgeber admonishes other Conservative backbenchers whom, he said, cannot represent their constituents while they're cheerleading for their party, he admits that there are disadvantages to his role.
Too much freelancing puts one up against the government, he said. He found himself sitting on obscure committees with heavy workload but no profile (in 2012 he was moved from the public safety committee to the Library of Parliament committee) and was stripped of his committees after he left the caucus. He has also played all of his cards when it comes to introducing another private member's bill, he said.
But following a year of various crises for Parliament, Rathgeber said there may be some benefit in having an independent sitting in for his constituents after the next election.
"I am not absolutely convinced that the Conservative government is going to be the government after Oct. 19, (2015)," he says. "So if the government falls, and if it's a coalition government or if it's a Justin Trudeau-led government, you might be better off having an independent member of Parliament."


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UPDATE: The winner of the give-away (chosen by random number generator) is Maria, who said – Been wanting to cook brussels sprouts again, and this would be wonderful to use! Congratulations, Maria!
Before Ryan and I took our recent trip to Ojai, our friends recommended we check out the Ojai Olive Oil tour and tasting room. It was unfortunately a little drizzly out, so we didn't get to take the tour, but we did visit the tasting room. They had both unflavored and flavored olive oils, as well as balsamic vinegars to try. Everything we tasted was absolutely amazing, and they had unique flavors that I'd never seen in other oils and vinegars.
My favorite oils were the Basil and Garlic flavors. But what really blew me away were the flavored Balsamic Vinegars – especially the Peach and Blackberry Ginger, although all of the flavors were incredible. Rather than tasting artificial or chemical, each one tasted exactly like the flavor described. I love using balsamic vinegars with fruit and desserts, and these flavors are perfect for just that.
To kick off a week of C'est La Vegan give-aways, the kind owner of Ojai Olive Oil is generously going to send one lucky winner a bottle of their Blackberry Ginger Balsamic Vinegar. To enter, just leave a comment telling me how you would use the vinegar if you're the lucky winner. (I'm personally planning to make a blackberry compote to drizzle along with the vinegar over some vegan vanilla ice cream…). The contest is open to U.S residents only, and it will close on Sunday, December 11th at 9pm PST.
If you aren't the winner, you can still order directly from the Ojai Olive site, and they'll ship the products right to your door. Any of the oils, vinegars or cosmetic products would make great holiday gifts, even for the non-cook. They're so good that they'll turn anyone into a gourmet. And be sure to check in each day this week for new give-aways and holiday gift ideas!


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Pittsburgh, Boston, Los Angeles and Chicago have each passed two hurdles thus far in the 2013 NHL playoffs. Here's a preview of what to expect as these four teams attempt to advance to the Stanley Cup Finals:
Both the NBA and NHL postseasons are nearing their championship rounds. Here's what to watch this weekend:
Tony Parker scored 37 points, and the San Antonio Spurs beat the Memphis Grizzlies, 93-86, on Monday night to sweep the best-of-seven Western Conference Finals in four games and advance to the NBA Finals...
Jay-Z may have something big he'd like to brush off his shoulder: an NFL investigation. TMZ reported that the NFL is looking into whether or not rap mogul-turned-sports agent Jay-Z had improper involvement in recruiting former West Virginia quarterback Geno Smith to his Roc Nation Sports agency...
Tony Kanaan won the 2013 Indianapolis 500 on Sunday, besting the field of 33 drivers for his first victory in 12 attempts at the legendary 200-lap race.
Brazilian Indy car driver Ana Beatriz was not among the favorites to win Sunday's Indy 500, but she may wind up with the day's most interesting story...
"The Greatest Spectacle in Racing" and a UFC heavyweight title bout highlight the upcoming sports calendar. Here's what to watch this holiday weekend:
America loves football, but no one loves the Pro Bowl.
The Big 10 athletic conference is filled with schools like Ohio State, Michigan and Michigan State — massive public universities with excellent reputations both on and off the football field...
The Indianapolis 500 is the world's largest single-day sporting event. Approximately 400,000 fans will crowd the Indianapolis Motor Speedway on the Sunday of Memorial Day weekend to watch "The Greatest Spectacle in Racing" at the 2.5-mile oval track. While drivers average speeds well in excess of 150 miles per hour, sometimes the race comes down to the final lap. Here are the 10 best Indy 500 finishes of all-time:
The Louisville Slugger Museum and Factory in Louisville, Ky. recently opened its 'Big Leagues, Little Bricks' exhibition. The installation features the work of several artists who have built LEGO replicas of Miller Park, Wrigley Field, Marlins Park, Yankee Stadium and PNC Park...
Oh, Canada, indeed! Canadian singer Alexis Normand forgot the words of "The Star-Spangled Banner" prior to the Memorial Cup junior hockey championships on Saturday in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan...
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Our favorite period drama series, Downton Abbey, finally returned Jan. 6 with the US premiere of the third season! And although we love Lady Violet's witty one-liners and ogling all the fashion of the era, we're also thrilled to see our DA crushes return to our TV screens. While we constantly swoon over how sweet Mr. Bates is with Anna and how much we want to marry Matthew Crawley, even the most unlikeable characters like Thomas suddenly make us do a double take when we see their hot actor counterparts out in the real world. Find out more about the men behind the gentlemen of Downton Abbey — including some of the new characters in the third season — with our comparisons of the actors versus the characters they play. Before the second episode premieres Jan. 13, weigh in on who you find more appealing now!


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An Otley couple have been welcomed back by their church after a 16 year aid mission overseas
Paul and Sarah Wright spent their long stay in Nepal working in fields ranging from education and health to sustainable living and disaster management.
They were sent out as mission partners by Otley Methodist Church, and seconded to United Mission in Nepal - a Christian organisation dedicated to helping the poorest members of the country.
Their work included helping the local church transform its Sunday School, with mother-of-two Sarah running Bible classes as well as Nepali women's groups, and teaching at a Bible college.
Both of them started off working in non-formal education in a remote area of mid-west Nepal, teaching women to read and write, but after a few years the civil war ended that project and they relocated to Kathmandu.
Paul went on to work on disaster management with Nepali Christian Relief Services and local communities around the country to help minimise the effect of flooding, landslides, fires and more.
The Wrights were welcomed back at Otley Methodist Church last Sunday, July 27, when they presented the church with an embroidered tapestry - which will be installed in the Sanctuary - in recognition of all the support they have received.
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Legal Briefs #44 - July 16, 2004
Legal Reform: Frivolous Thoughts on a Frivolous Case
Tort Du Jour: Coca-Cola Can't Win
Testimony: Civil Justice Costs Up 100-Fold
Legal Briefs #43 - June 18, 2004
Legal Reform: Lawsuits Harm the Practice of Medicine, Doctors in Four States Say
Tort Du Jour: Court Says It is Okay Not to Warn Strangers that You Have a Flowerbed
Testimony: 96 of 159 Georgia Counties Now Lack Obstetric Care
Legal Briefs #42 - May 14, 2004
Toxic Torts: Turning Fears to Gold
Tort Du Jour: We Used to Know...
Testimony: Predatory Attorneys Drive Up Malpractice Insurance Rates
Legal Briefs #41 - April 16, 2004
Legal Reform: Willpower: Losing Weight The Responsible Way
Tort Du Jour: Stop That Train?
Testimony: America's Civil Justice System is Broken
Legal Briefs #40 - March 11, 2004
Legal Reform: The Legal Crisis: What the Public Thinks
Tort Du Jour: Suicide Attempt as career Move
Testimony: The Need for Tort Reform
Legal Briefs #39 - February 26, 2004
Legal Reform: New Stella Awards Announced
Tort Du Jour: It's Always Someone Else's Fault
Testimony: A Health Care Crisis
Legal Briefs #38 - February 5, 2004
Legal Reform: A Four-Tiered Judicial Crisis
Tort Du Jour: Eenie, Meenie, Minie, Moe, Jury Says Lawsuit Should Go, Go, Go
Testimony: Poll Shows Public Support for Limiting Jury Awards
Legal Briefs #37 - January 4, 2004
Legal Reform: Fighting Disease is Better Than Suing Over It
Tort Du Jour: Turning a Line Drive into a Home Run
Testimony: Tort System is Severely Broken
Legal Briefs #36 - December 19, 2003
Legal Reform: Illegal Aliens Sue Employers for Offering Illegal Work
Tort Du Jour: An Insult to Donkeys Everywhere
Testimony: Americans Pay More for Lawsuits Than for Drugs
Legal Briefs #35 - December 2, 2003
Legal Reform: An Rx for Our Ailing Health Care System: Caps on Lawsuit Awards
Tort Du Jour: Eliminate Credit Card Debt With One Simple Lawsuit
Testimony: Health Care System Would Benefit if Lawyers Worked on Hourly Basis
Legal Briefs #34 - November 18, 2003
Legal Reform: Alien Tort Claims Act Used Against Poor Africans
Tort Du Jour: Even Socialized Medicine Harmed by Excessive Lawsuits
Testimony: Lawsuits Literally a Lottery
Legal Briefs #33 - November 3, 2003
Legal Reform: Asbestos Lawsuits Often Frivolous
Tort Du Jour: Call the Police, Get Sued
Testimony: Economic Damages Only 20 Percent of Award Costs
Legal Briefs #32 - October 15, 2003
Legal Reform: Is a Basic American Freedom Being Violated?
Tort Du Jour: Perhaps the Court Should Have Ordered the Team to Win
Testimony: Why Not Protect Commercial Speech?
Legal Briefs #31 - September 15, 2003
Legal Reform: Environmental Litigation Threatens Endangered Species
Tort Du Jour: In this Reparations Case, the Slaveowners Sue the Slaves
Testimony: If It's Commercial, Its Not Free
Legal Briefs #30 - August 15, 2003
Legal Reform: Why Are Medical Costs So High? Courtrooms Are a Culprit
Tort Du Jour: Arsonists Sue for Insurance Payoff
Testimony: Judicial Probe looking at Big Jury Awards
Testimony: Legal Reform is a Patient Issue
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Legal Reform: Doctors, Not Lawyers, Should Treat Mental Illness
Tort D'Jour: Doctors Sued for Helping Woman
Testimony: Clients Get Token Payments, Lawyers Get Massive Fees
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Tort D'Jour: Stop Me Before I Shoot Up Again
Testimony: Problems with Class Actions
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Legal Reform: Striking a Deal on Asbestos
Tort D'Jour: Tobacco Lawsuit Ends in Jail Time for Plaintiff
Testimony: Thanks in Part to Lawsuits, Millions Lack Health Insurance
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Tort D'Jour: Eenie, Meenie, Minie, Moe, Lawsuits Like This Have Got to Go
Testimony: Cost of U.S. Civil Liability System
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Tort D'Jour: Bingo with a Twist
Testimony: Doctors Flee Pernnsylvania
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Legal Reform: Lawyers in Your Medicine Cabinet May Keep Needed Drugs Out
Tort D'Jour: It's Miller Time
Tort D'Jour: Put Your Money Where Your Case Is
Tort D'Jour: That's More than Plumbers Get
Testimony: What Good Is Health Insurance Without Doctors?
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Legal Reform: Another Way to Boost the Economy
Tort D'Jour: You Can Lead a Plaintiff to Water, But You Can't Make Him Drink
Tort D'Jour: Take It To Castro
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The only resource for loan consolidation is through the Federal Direct Loan Consolidation program. However, you should be aware that consolidation is not the only way to access long term repayment options. Students have the ability to extend repayment for up to 25 years without consolidating. Borrowers should consider all of their repayment options before jumping into consolidation. Visit the Repayment Plans and Strategies page to review the available payment plans.
There may be situations when consolidation could be an appropriate solution to dealing with student loan debt.
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Even if you have not previously borrowed through the Federal Direct Loan program, you may be eligible to consolidate your loans through the Direct Loan program.Before a borrower consolidates their student loans they should ask the following questions of themselves.
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Borrowers are now able to access the consolidation application and promissory note at www.studentloans.gov. You will be required to provide your FSA PIN to access this site. Borrowers should remember that student loan repayment is a long term relationship.
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At some stage early next week (exact time TBC) we will be upgrading the forums to vBulletin 4. It is a massive upgrade and will take several hours.
For those people that haven't seen vB4, it is markedly different to our current version (vB3.8.5) and may take some getting used to. As with any big aesthetic change, some of you will love it and some of you won't. For the record - I do.
There are bound to be some bugs but we've been testing for a while now so I hope (and pray) that those will be minimal. I will start a thread for you to post anything that you notice.
I'll keep you updated with the details as they come to hand.
So, that extra 200k of bloated scripting nonsense with the associated accessibility train wreck that is vBull 4 -- so bad I can't believe they have the cojones to charge MONEY for that crap...
-- that determined to drive me away, huh? It's what stopped me from going to digitalpoint.
Or did the year plus delay on transitioning been from you folks taking the time to neuter out all the non-semantic usability nightmare their default skin saddles you with, so it's not wasting 160k of HTML on 15k of plaintext? Much less the 270k of scripting for nothing and 80k of "other documents" that get included for christmas only knows what reason?
... and to think 3 is a bloated mess; outright lean compared to 4. I'd be looking at other software instead of trying to upgrade this -- maybe with a mod for stopforumspam.com thrown in for good measure?
Yes indeed. The whole upgrade is being done because of you.
Well, given the usual length of your posts that criticize bad code, I assume from your relatively short post above that VB4 must be pretty good! (Or is that just a red rag to a bull? :eek: )
I'm glad at least that we'll have a table-less forum. Good luck with it, Sarah and team!
Wow that's pretty exciting. I was just visiting recently and thinking about how little the forums have changed in the last few years.
I don't suppose it's getting some sort of fancy design makeover too?
O yeah, baby!
While you're there, why don't you upgrade to some decent forum software such as IPB or xenforo.
I agree with deathshadow60 when it comes to VB4... it's a rubbish product that's slow to load and stops a community dead in its tracks.
VB4 is about as much fun as <snip/>.
Unfortunately that's where a lot of the problem lies -- since their baseline skin doesn't even used tables on tabular data, and abuses nested lists inside nested lists instead... to go hand in hand with the 80+K of cloaked content for unnecessary (and painfully useless) scripting.
Because nothing works wonders for a site like cloaked content and non-semantic markup... even sadder when the poor sods who wrote it thought they were being semantic just by removing ALL tables... Because four times as much markup with applying the wrong meanings to the content and COMPLETELY breaking the navigational relationships is SUCH an improvement.
Do we by any chance get a peak at what its going to look like, ahead of time? Like a screenshot or something?
:eek::eek: If I were a bit younger, I'd be probably be :lol:
You can see what version 4 looks like here: https://www.vbulletin.com/forum/forum.php
I'll probably get used to it but I don't know if I'm thrilled. The change will probably mean:
more rounded edges and gradients (they seem trendy nowadays and regarded as 'modern', personally I've seen too many of them everywhere now and prefer a more straight design)
some ajax cool effects, like you hover over a link, title, etc. and a very pretty popup baloon appears trying to be helpful but actually covering the content all around that you just wanted to see, so you end up running away with your mouse cursor as far as possible from the site so as not to accidentally turn on some magick widget in fear of not being able to do what you came here to do: read content (see title links at Hardware and Software | Gaming Masters)
clean, clutter-free layout. This means that the important information that used to be visible always now appears only under certain conditions - for example, you won't see how many pages a thread has unless you hover your mouse over a row nor will you be able to see where you need to click to go to page 4 (again: Hardware and Software | Gaming Masters). Also, let's hide most of other controls and buttons like go to the last post, etc. so as not to scare away those who could get a headache from being overwhelmed with all that stuff. You'll have to click a lot more to do the same thing as before but at least the design is super clean and modern. Chrome users (and recent Firefox users) will find themselves at home!
no tables anywhere - at least someone can take a look at the huge css files and learn all the exotic hacks being used to make a table-like forum layout fit into a nested series of <li> and <div> tags. Well, html doesn't have any dedicated tags for discussion forums so a <table> is no less suitable than <li>, but at least the hard goal has been achieved.
Having said that - take it with a pinch of salt, these are more my personal observations of recent online discoveries than about the new Site Point forum which, well, I haven't seen yet!
Thats what the default scheme looks like LJ, ours isnt going to look like that
I was hoping someone would say that. Good to know!
No sneak preview then?
thats up to HQ mate
Well, they aren't even giving me a sneak preview but better work correctly or they'll be a lot of SPF bug reports.
Will there be design changes to the forum. I don't really have experience in this VBulletin stuff, never really needed to go in it.
According to Sarah, yes:
Heh! Other changes drove me away 4 months ago
It is a forum. For 99% of users the change should take 30 seconds to figure out. vBulletin probably optimized stuff, so instead of having a link saying Edit signature, it is probably hidden under personal details or something. If there is a more widespread learning curve than that, it will reflect badly on SP.
and of course all the css customization has been tested and verified fully functional for internet explorer 8 on windows xp...
... right?
And don't forget Interent Explorer 6 and 7!
Ahh, I forgot about buttons with words like edit, reply, etc. The new trend of Optimizing stuff is replacing the words with small graphic icons so instead of knowing immediately what a button does you have to hunt with your mouse for any tooltips that will expain to you its purpose (if there are any, hopefully). The buttons look so great that you feel ashamed to admin you didn't immediately and instinctively know what the author of the icon image was trying to convey - if you didn't know you are clearly behind the times!
A more advanced and cutting edge techique is to hide buttons behind another graphic button so when you click on it then the rest of the buttons smoothly and beautifully roll out to your delight and you are surprised to discover they even exist! When looking at the page it's not obvious when the needed button is, you have to go looking for it but you are happy because the layout is clean, modern, clutter-free and you feel you have lots of space to breathe!
I can't wait to see the new design


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Go Here: Gros Morne National Park In Winter17 Jan 2014
Gros Morne National Park really comes alive in the dead of winter. If you're looking for some inspiration for cold-weather adventure in Newfoundland & Labrador's signature wilderness, check out these trip ideas.
Western Newfoundland's winter wonders26 Dec 2013
My first time on a backcountry snowmobile trek went the way most firsts do: More than a little awkward, a lot of thrills and a lasting sensation that made me wonder "what've I been missing all this time."
Forget the Rockies. Winter blahs melt away as you hit the gas on a snowmobile and blast along ancient mountain ridges or wander through pristine woodlands in Newfoundland and Labrador.
A vast network of trails sprawls across more than 5,000 kilometres of natural beauty. It spans the former Canadian National Railway route, follows the foothills of the Long Range Mountains to a glacier-cut fjord in Gros Morne National Park, and crisscrosses Labrador's rolling tundra.
Head over heels in Newfoundland7 Feb 2013
The perception most of us have of Newfoundland is of a scenic wonder filled with rocky cliffs, green terrain and quaint seaside villages. It is not known as a haven for winter activity, but a visit to Western Newfoundland will obliterate any notion that Newfoundlanders are not just as much fun in the cold as in the sun. Even the province's jewel, Gros Morne National Park, offers visitors spectacular beauty when the temperature falls below freezing.
A Snowmobilers Paradise8 Feb 2012
The Great Northern Peninsula is the premier snowmobiling destination in Newfoundland, boasting a winter wonderland experience with its spectacular Long Range Mountains, scenic vistas and ocean views. With its often perfect snowmobiling excursions and other winter activities such as snowshoeing, cross country skiing and dog sledding, visitors will experience supreme winter fun.
Snow West '12, set to take place between Wednesday March 21 and Saturday March 24, 2012, is an annual event designed to showcase the outstanding variety of fun winter adventures and evening experiences available for visitors to Western Newfoundland.
A first for Cain's Quest1 Feb 2012
For the first time, a married couple is entering the Cain's Quest snowmobile endurance race.
Labrador residents Coreen and Jason Paul have registered as the appropriately titled "Better half racing Team 39" to face one of the most brutal snowmobile challenges in all of the country and perhaps put their marriage vows to the ultimate test.
Snowmobiling in the Lewis Hills10 Jan 2011
Western Newfoundland offers some of the best snowmobiling in all of Eastern Canada and the Lewis Hills is an especially great spot to sled. The "hills" themselves are located approximately 18 km north of Stephenville and 27 km southwest of Corner Brook and at 814m (2,671ft) the Cabox is the island of Newfoundland's highest point.
As you can see from the video you can see breathtaking scenery and a variety of wildlife in the backcountry. The Lewis Hills terrain is inviting to a novice rider but offers everything an expert rider would need.
Canada's Longest Snowmobile Endurance Race10 Jan 2011
Cain's Quest Snowmobile Endurance Race is the main annual winter event in Labrador and is said to be the ultimate in extreme racing. On March 12, 2011, racers will gather in Labrador City and roar off on a 2,500-km journey through the Labrador wild, hitting 18 remote checkpoints and a further nine community checkpoints. Racers will have to bring their "A game" in this true test of endurance. And indeed they should. Racers compete for a shot at a $65,000 prize purse.
In March 2011, Cain's Quest will be hosting its first ever "Ladies Edition". At 650 km, in a race to Churchill Falls and back, ladies will compete for a $20,000 prize purse.d
The beautiful Codroy Valley on Newfoundland's west coast has been named by the Canadian Tourism Commission (CTC) and professional travel experts as one of the top 13 must-experience winter destinations in Canada. The Codroy valley was chosen from over 500 entries as part of www.localsknow.ca, a CTC website encouraging Canadians to share their favourite locations to help inspire other Canadians to keep exploring.


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A service of thanksgiving is to be held for the life of a church minister who died last week.
The Rev Paul Breeze (pictured), minister at Trinity Church in Rawdon, who was in his 60s, failed to recover from a serious heart operation.
The service of thanksgiving will take place at Trinity Church, New Road Side, Rawdon, at 1.30pm on Monday.
A private service of committal will be held at Nab Wood Crematorium for family and close friends only.
Speaking for Trinity Church, Pete Lambert paid tribute to Mr Breeze.
He said: "How do you sum up a life in a few words? Even looking back over the three years or so that we have been associated with Paul, firstly through his interim appointment to and then full-time ministry at Trinity Church, it is difficult, if not impossible, to do justice to the way in which he has touched so many lives in such a profound way.
"How many times more must this have been repeated throughout his life and his ministry before he came to us?
"Paul, you see, had an extraordinary ability to get alongside people. Many will testify to this, as he shared fully with them in times of great joy, trial and sadness. Here was a man of huge faith and confidence, who loved and cherished his ministry and especially that part of his role as Pastor which brought him into the most intimate relationship with his flock.
"He was truly a diplomat and a peacemaker: he listened intently to the myriad of opinions represented in a church like ours, which as a Local Ecumenical Partnership encompasses three denominational traditions and all the colours of the spectrum, yet was able to steer the ship steadily through rough seas on at times an uncertain course. Paul often took a long time over expressing himself, but that was because he thought deeply before he said or did anything.
"Not that Paul was perfect. Of course he was not, but he accepted criticism with grace and dignity. He had always said he could not do everything and that there were things he was not good at, while others were, so he was happy to allow them to get on with it. Nor could he have achieved any of the things he did without the support of his loving wife and sons.
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The Prophet Moses (pbuh)
Birth of the Prophet Moses (Pbuh)
As related in the previous chapter, the Prophet Moses (pbuh) was born into adversity. Even at the moment of his birth, his life was already in jeopardy. Pharaoh ordered all male children killed and the females spared for slavery. Ensnared by such circumstances, the Prophet Moses (pbuh) was forced to lead his life among the slaves under the constant threat of death. His mother had been concerned about him until the moment she was inspired by Allah:
We revealed to Moses' mother, "Suckle him and then when you fear for him cast him into the sea. Do not fear or grieve; We will return him to you and make him one of the Messengers." (Surat al-Qasas: 7)
Allah inspired the Prophet Moses' (pbuh) mother and told her to put him into a chest and send it floating down the Nile, if the soldiers of Pharaoh ever learned about his birth. As she feared for the life of her son, she followed what was revealed to her. Not knowing where and how the flowing waters would have carried her son, she placed the Prophet Moses (pbuh) into a chest and released him to the waters of the Nile. However, by the inspiration of Allah, she knew he would ultimately return back to her and become a prophet. Allah, the Creator and Sustainer of everything, created the Prophet Moses (pbuh) and his mother and communicated what He preordianed for them. In the Qur'an it is related that some time later, Allah reminded the Prophet Moses (pbuh) about the facts of his early childhood as follows:
When We revealed to your mother: "Place him into the chest and throw it into the sea and the sea will wash it up on the shore, where an enemy of Mine and his will pick it up..." (Surah Ta-Ha: 38-39)
At this point, we should expand on the subject of destiny. Allah, as specified in the above verse, told the mother of the Prophet Moses (pbuh) to leave the child in the water, and informed her that Pharaoh would later find him, and that the Prophet Moses (pbuh) would ultimately return to her as a messenger of Allah. In other words, that the Prophet Moses (pbuh) would be placed in a chest and sent to the river, that he would be found and taken care of by Pharaoh, and that he would eventually become one of the prophets, were all known beforehand. That is because all of these events were predetermined by Allah, according to His will, and which He allowed the Prophet Moses' (pbuh) mother to know of in advance.
Here, we should make note that all the details pertaining to the life of the Prophet Moses (pbuh) were predetermined in the Sight of Allah, and that they had all come true as had been ordained. The fulfilment of the revelation offered to the Prophet Moses' (pbuh) mother was possible through the occurrence of countless conditions predetermined by destiny.
The Prophet Moses' (pbuh) avoiding the soldiers of Pharaoh and his reaching the palace of Pharaoh without drowning were dependent on the fulfilment of certain conditions. They are the following:
The above are only a few of the factors which allowed Pharaoh find the Prophet Moses (pbuh). All of them had occurred exactly as was revealed to the Prophet Moses' (pbuh) mother. In fact, the promise Allah gave to the mother of the Prophet Moses (pbuh), and all the other events which have happened, have all taken place and been fulfilled as already ordained by Allah.
The events involved in the Prophet Moses' (pbuh) destiny were not limited to only those events recounted so far. Each moment of his life, as in the case of lives of all human beings, is predetermined according to a specific destiny. Neither the place nor the year of his birth, nor the people he was surrounded by, nor his mother or father were designated according to his own choice. It was Allah Who ordained and created each one. This fact was also proclaimed by the Prophet Muhammad (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) who said "Everything is by decree—even incapacity and ability" (Muslim)
A deeper consideration of these incidents will allow us to have a better grasp of how every moment of our lives is bound within our destiny. Through numerous examples, the Prophet Moses' (pbuh) story allows one to contemplate the meaning and implications of his destiny. In the various details of the story of the Prophet Moses (pbuh), Allah reminds us that an individual's life, as well as the lives of all mankind and the whole universe, are bound within the destiny he has ordained.
Just as how the Prophet Moses (pbuh) floated on the Nile in compliance with his destiny Allah preordained for him, so were Pharaoh and his family made to reach the place where they were to encounter the Prophet Moses (pbuh). From the verses related to this subject, we learn that Pharaoh's family had behaved exactly as was previously revealed to the Prophet Moses' (pbuh) mother, that is, they had taken the Prophet Moses (pbuh) under their care without being aware of what the future would hold for them:
The family of Pharaoh picked him up so that he might be an enemy and a source of grief to them. Certainly Pharaoh and Haman and their troops were in the wrong. The wife of Pharaoh said, "A source of delight for me and for you; do not kill him. It may well be that he will be of use to us or perhaps we could adopt him as a son." They were not aware. (Surat al-Qasas: 8-9)
And thus Pharaoh and his family, utterly unaware of what Allah preordained for them, found the Prophet Moses (pbuh) and adopted him as their own son. In fact, they had decided to keep him in the hope that the child would some day be of some benefit to them.
In the meantime, the Prophet Moses' (pbuh) mother was concerned about her son since she did not know what had happened to him. In the Qur'an the state of the Prophet Moses' (pbuh) mother after putting him in the chest and Allah's revelation to her is related as follows:
"Go after him." And she kept an eye on him from afar and they were not aware. We first made him refuse all wet-nurses, so she (Moses' sister) said, "Shall I show you to a household who will feed him for you and be good to him?"
That is how We returned him to his mother so that she might delight her eyes and feel no grief and so that she would know that Allah's promise is true. But most of them do not know this. (Surat al-Qasas: 10-13)
The baby Moses refused all the wet nurses, that is, he did not drink their milk, because, according to the destiny outlined for him, Allah had ordained him to drink only his own mother's milk. This makes light of the fact that every moment of human beings' lives are also in compliance with the destiny ordained by Allah. As had been revealed to his mother, the Prophet Moses (pbuh) ultimately returned to his own family.
In the story of the Prophet Moses (pbuh), Allah illustrates that He often creates what appear to be difficult situation with an easy way out, and that there is good in events which are perceived as adversities. A mother, fearing the threat of her baby being killed by cruel soldiers, to save him, leaves the child to float in the waters of a river. The same child is then adopted by the most powerful family of the country, who ultimately return the baby back to her mother because he refuses all the other wet nurses… Each one of these events is a miracle in itself, demonstrating the ultimate perfection in the destiny decreed by Allah. For believers, every detail of one's destiny eventually turns out to be a blessing. As can be seen in the above example, sometimes Allah prepares such blessings for us through the most unexpected circumstances.
He (Allah) has given you everything you have asked Him for. If you tried to number Allah's blessings, you could never count them. Man is indeed wrongdoing, ungrateful. (Surah Ibrahim: 34)


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Spokeswoman Calley Herth tells The Associated Press that the early tally of damages is based on visual assessments of an extensive damage zone stretching more than 17 miles and the fact that the tornado was on the ground for 40 minutes.
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Residents of Moore are also at work, taking stock of what's left of their homes and possessions and deciding what comes next. The tornado killed at least 24 people, destroyed countless homes and reduced one elementary school almost entirely to rubble.
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Experts said the aurora borealis, also known as the northern lights, which can usually be seen in the arctic, would be visible much further south if weather conditions allowed.
Stargazers as far south as the M4 corridor in South Wales and southern England reported seeing the phenomenon, but astronomers in Lancashire were disappointed.
Burnley astronomer Adam Whittaker, who has seen the lights in the Arctic Circle, was out on Thursday with his telescope, but failed to see the lights.
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The franchise that brought the NFL the Steel Curtain instead has become an offensive machine. And the team that once featured the Orange Crush has revitalized its powerful defense, if not the nickname.
When the Steelers host the Broncos on Sunday in the only game of Week 15 matching teams with winning records, the league's most potent offense in recent weeks faces off with a D that has been the NFL's stingiest.
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Denver's 44 sacks lead the league. Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger is averaging 332 yards passing, tops in the NFL.
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… Adnan Oktar -- the 52-year-old Turk behind the pseudonym Harun Yahya -- caught the attention of scientists and teachers in Europe and North America by mass-mailing them his 768-page "Atlas of Creation".
His lavishly illustrated book preaches a Muslim version of creationism…
Harun Yahya speaking during the interview with Reuters in Istanbul on 21 May, 2008. Yahya is one of the most widely read authors in the Muslim world. His glossy books and DVDs about religion and science are on sale at bookstores throughout the Islamic world and can be downloaded again and again over the Internet.
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