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By Jacqueline Trescott
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, October 24, 2006
A decade ago, the people who run Mount Vernon noticed many of their visitors knew little more about George Washington than that he was the country's first president.
Beginning Friday, visitors there will be able to learn much more about him in two new buildings. On their way to the historic mansion, they'll pass through an orientation center where they will get history about Washington and his home (one short film is narrated by game show host Pat Sajak). And on their way out, they will pass through an extensive museum and education center.
The new exhibits include a $5 million movie about Washington's military career, a list of his slaves and the will in which he freed them, the shoe buckles he wore to his inauguration, the family Bible, a look at his early career as a surveyor, his bloody defeats during the French and Indian War, interactive maps showing Revolutionary War battles, a copy of Martha Washington's gold wedding dress, Washington's ivory dentures, a reproduction of his coffin and three re-creations by forensic scientists showing what Washington probably looked like at ages 19, 45 and 57.
Both new buildings are mostly underground so as to not detract from the mansion. And the exhibition hall, which includes the museum and education center, will have historically correct Hogg Island sheep grazing on the ground that covers it.
In the past, Mount Vernon concentrated on Washington's life on the plantation, his family, his slaves. The new exhibits flesh out other facets -- politics, two wars, his days as a spymaster, his role in the making of the Constitution and even his excruciating dental history.
In addition to the artifacts, dioramas and tableaux, a great deal of Washington's story is told through 14 films commissioned by Mount Vernon. A $5 million, 18-minute video, "We Fight to Be Free," produced by Greystone Films, portrays a heroic Washington in reenactments of the French and Indian War and the night crossing of the Delaware River during the Revolutionary War. To humanize him, another film shows Washington flirting with the widow Martha Dandridge Custis, whom he later married. That film, produced by the History Channel and narrated by actress Glenn Close, chronicles Washington's 40-year marriage.
Twenty new galleries feature traditional museum fare, sculpture, paintings and a number of swords. In one gallery, which will be kept cooler than the others, visitors can study a re-creation of a soldiers' hut at Valley Forge, Pa. It focuses on the brutal conditions that Washington and his soldiers endured during the winter of 1777-1778, with the temperature some days hovering at 6 degrees. The starving soldiers look like skeletons. The "snow" has bloody footprints. Beneath a navy wool blanket in the hut, a sleeping soldier's chest rises and falls. Then he moans and coughs. Nearby, a model of Washington, the commander of the Continental Army, sits on his horse Blueskin. Though historians tell us he, too, was dispirited by the predicament, he manages to project determination in trying to rally his troops.
James C. Rees, executive director of the estate, says Mount Vernon now draws a million visitors a year -- about as many as the building's worn wooden floors can stand, and even with the temporary closing of the National Museum of American History on the Mall, he doesn't want too many history buffs to visit at the same time.
Mount Vernon's new look is not intended to draw more visitors. The new attractions, Rees says, "help us spread out the visitors." He hopes people will stay longer, learn more and want to come back.
In the past, a typical visitor spent 2 1/2 hours at Mount Vernon. Now, that could double.
The administrators of Mount Vernon raised $112 million in private funds for the new look. Just under $60 million was spent for the orientation center and the museum and education wing. Both were designed by the Baltimore firm GWWO Inc./Architects.
Many of the new videos and exhibits were designed to meet what Mount Vernon guides consider the ultimate test: holding the attention of an eighth-grade boy.
"He's our most challenging visitor," says Rees. "It is hard to make Washington cool, and they don't want to pretend they are interested."
Rees said he thinks the new facilities, particularly the education center, have enough bells and whistles to keep such a visitor engaged. Among them, he cites:
· A laboratory that is designed to look like a set from the popular television show "CSI," showing how forensic detectives re-created the face of Washington at various stages of his life. There are foam castings of body parts -- a few heads, arms, legs and hands -- on the stainless steel counters.
· A section on Washington's childhood that features an animated cartoon figure that could be a "Peanuts" refugee. It moves across the gallery wall pointing out highlights of the young Washington's life.
· One film gives a fast-paced history of the battles, including those at Trenton, N.J., and Yorktown, Va. To cap off the action, as a cannon booms, the seats in the theater vibrate. And snow -- a mixture of water and soap bubbles -- falls as Washington leads his army across the frozen Delaware. It may leave a light dusting on visitors' clothes.
· Washington's dentures -- probably the most popular artifact at Mount Vernon -- are given a display worthy of the Hope Diamond. This section includes a timeline of Washington's dental problems and his letters of complaint to his dentists.
There are also more serious exhibits that are not aimed at eighth-graders.
Special treatment is given to the famous 1785 terra-cotta bust by legendary French sculptor Jean-Antoine Houdon, based on an actual plaster cast of Washington's face. It's on a tall pedestal so that visitors will have a sense of what it was like to face the 6-foot-3 Virginian.
The museum component is 6,000 square feet of decorative arts, books and manuscripts. It shows off Washington's dinner plates, the ones he used for his lavish 4 p.m. Thursday dinners in Philadelphia, often with members of Congress at the table. The visitor will learn that the Washingtons loved to entertain. They had 677 overnight guests in one year. There's also a case with his traveling razor and a handwritten manuscript from a speech he delivered in 1783 at Newburgh, N.Y., when he quelled a plot by disgruntled Army officers to overthrow Congress.
Washington's last will and testament, an original on loan from the Fairfax County Circuit Court, is housed in this area, with its instructions that the slaves would be free when Martha Washington died.
There is a section dedicated to what the organizers call "The Dilemma of Slavery." It is stripped down, less decorative than some of the other galleries but animated by the personal stories of the slaves of Mount Vernon, who at one point numbered 316. A tape recites the names of the slaves and their jobs.
Throughout the new buildings, there are paintings from important American museums. The Metropolitan Museum of Art lent four portraits, including a 12-foot-wide canvas of Washington and the Marquis de Lafayette. A special gallery, installed until next August, is dedicated to the friendship of the two generals.
"We are not raiding the mansion" of any of its treasures, Rees says. In the past the house had only 100 rotating artifacts; the new galleries have 700 objects, some never displayed before. These include an easy chair that belonged to Washington's mother, Mary Ball Washington. There are also many letters; Washington was a prolific correspondent, and 25,000 of his letters are still in existence.
Each of the new buildings is named after one of the primary donors for the new expansion.
The first building visitors will enter is the Ford Orientation Center, funded principally by the Ford Motor Co. Fund, which gave $7 million to the capital campaign and whose founder gave Mount Vernon its first firetruck, in 1923.
It will give visitors a bird's-eye view of Mount Vernon: A 10-foot-high miniature of the estate house, with 700 reproduced features and 16,000 shingles, resides in the orientation hall. The 22-room model offers a view of the third floor, including the garret chamber where Martha Washington withdrew to mourn and burn the couple's letters after her husband's death. The actual floor is normally closed to visitors.
The second new building, which visitors will enter after touring the historic house, is called the Donald W. Reynolds Museum and Education Center, built with a $24 million gift from the late media baron's Las Vegas-based foundation. Most visitors will see it as a single museum, though the Mount Vernon staff considers part of it a museum and part of it an education center.
Other donors to the new buildings include Robert H. Smith and Clarice Smith, and the Mars candy family.
The imposing house on the Potomac River was the center of much of Washington's life. He acquired the homestead in 1754 (the property was granted to his great-grandfather in 1674). The mansion has been owned by the Mount Vernon Ladies Association since 1858 and is managed with private funds.
Mount Vernon , 16 miles from Washington, is open every day of the year, including holidays. Admission is $13 for adults and $6 for ages 6-11. The estate is open 9 a.m.-4 p.m. November through February. For hours at other times of the year and additional information, go to http://www.mountvernon.org/ .
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Popping Up for the Summer
"College Town" opened Friday, May 3 in time for First Friday in Chestertown. The Pop-Up Store, which will be open through June, is the brainchild of Molly Ellis '85 and Katie Warwick Schreiner '98. It features products produced by Washington College alumni. Located at 335 High Street , College Town will be open during Commencement Weekend May 17 and 18 as well as Alumni Weekend May 31-June 2.
Molly Ellis '85 - Threadwell Monogramming
Katie Warwick Schreiner '98 -Star Monograms
Gillian Duvall '98 - Annapolis Pillows
Adam Blitzer '10 - Blue Claw and Knot Clothing & Belts
Greg and Genevieve Vetter - '05 '06 Tessemae Salad Dressing
Reed Gallant '02 - Imported Bags and Accessories
Kristen O'Neil '01 – Re-Corked Candles

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Ralph Lauren Spring 2013
As of now, Spain's credit rating stands at junk bond status. This, to even an economics ignoramus like me, is clearly not good news. However, as Ralph Lauren reminded us with his Spanish-themed collection for next spring, credit ratings may rise dramatically and dip perilously, but a country's culture and heritage stands forever, offering up a rich, beautiful source of inspiration to a designer. Lauren alighted on all sorts of elements of Spain: the curiously explosive control and rigor of flamenco, horse-riding through the stunning landscape of Andalusia, and the Madrileñas that parade around the Salamanca district. (And they do. On a trip to Madrid several years ago, the sight of the city's ultra-chic haute-bourgeois women was remarkable, looking almost ready for their Pedro Almodóvar close-up so hyper impeccably were they turned out.)
It was that natural elegance and always present sensuality to which Lauren gravitated. Of course, he had fun with the styling—the flat-topped Spanish hats worn saucily pulled down over one eye, and fringed silk shawls sliding off shoulders of models like a flamenco troupe of Georges Bizet's Carmens. Yet strip those away and you had clothes that were real and tangible, and that carried some of the country's noble standing viz an impeccable black sable dress, embellished with a white lace collar, a charming multi-beaded georgette top worn with a tulle embroidered skirt that gently billowed with volume, and two good takes on strapless—a full-skirted cocktail dress in crocheted silk, and an embroidered lace bustier over striped pants, which touched on the evening trend we've seen this week of the ornate over the practical. Still, for the sake of accuracy, it wasn't just Spain Lauren alighted on. There were references, too, to the U.S. Southwest, with striped serapes and intense color (turquoise, scarlet) worn with black, and providing a link between these two worlds were the sizable black leather pannier-style bags that opened the show. Weathered and studded, they added a louche and luxurious coolness which you could bank on whatever the economic situation.


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HOUSTON - A middle school teacher fired over allegations of having a sexual relationship with a student is facing criminal charges.
Kathryn Murray, 28, has been charged with sexual assault of a child. She has been arrested and taken to the Harris County Jail.
According to court documents, Murray, who was an eighth-grade teacher at Memorial Middle School in the Spring Branch Independent School District, had sex with a 15-year-old boy.
Detectives said the 15-year-old invited Murray over to his home while his parents were away on Feb. 11.
The 15-year-old's 12-year-old brother was also home. According to court documents, the 12-year-old found his brother in bed with Murray about 11:50 p.m.
According to court documents, the 15-year-old told investigators that he was in love with Murray.
"Going through school, these kids may get infatuated with a teacher or whatever else. This one just got out of hand," Spring Branch ISD Police Chief C.A. Brawner said.
Brawner said faculty members at the school suspected something was going on and reported it to the principal. The principal reported it to the school district police department.
A teacher said that Murray told her on Feb. 8 that the 15-year-old had told her that he loved her, and that Murray admitted to kissing the boy in her classroom, according to court documents.
Murray worked at the school for three years.
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I have a quick question regarding a ham. I don't really have the time or desire to start a ham from scratch what with the curing and all but I was wondering how effective buying a already cooked ham and putting it in a smoker to heat up. Has anyone done this before? You do need to cure a ham first right before cooking?


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Located in Surprise, Ariz., 25 miles northwest of Phoenix, Surprise Stadium is the Spring Training home to the Kansas City Royals and Texas Rangers. Surprise Stadium seats 10,500 fans and is located on a 124-acre site that includes six full practice fields and a half field, as well as separate clubhouse and office facilities.
Opened in 2002, Surprise Stadium hosts several Cactus League games each spring.
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Field dimensions of Surprise Stadium are 350 feet down the lines, 379 feet in the power alleys and 400 feet to center field.
Surprise Stadium features a variety of seating options from grass seating areas in the outfield to club seats on the stadium's second level. The stadium is handicap accessible and is served by nearby parking areas and a variety of concessions.
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Reviewed By Joshua F (Pisgah forest, NC) Reviewed for a 1995 Toyota 4Runner —4/9/2016 1:39 AM
I added 3 parts to the exhaust 1st was a $40 eBay air-intake 2nd was a magnaflow catalytic converter & 3rd was this magnaflow glass pack, let's say I smile every time I drive it. I love the deep rumble and the good sound that I get compliments on because it's not a loud redneck (white trash) exhaust. It added power, quicker throttle response, torque, I have not had it on there to notice a huge difference in gas mileage but I do notice some improvement


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chocolate angel food cake photo by vsimon
This ethereal gluten free cake melts in your mouth. It tastes like sweet chocolate air.
It is dairy free, and great plain for every day. Or add a sauce or two for a spectacular treat. As my daughter says, "This is a thousand times better than store bought". That's if you can even find it.
Homemade and preservative free, it stays moist for days. Four days on the counter and it still tastes just baked. It gets eaten at our house, so we don't really know how long it can go.
How hot is your oven? A little story.
We bake this cake for our clients. Since we always cook multiple dishes at once, there is a lot going on in a client's kitchen. One day, I didn't really have a handle on how long it was baking. After a while, it seemed long though.
I tested the cake with a thin skewer and it kept coming out a bit moist. But I had added chopped chocolate to the batter that day, I reasoned that was melted on the skewer. The cake had risen to lofty heights, and I tested the top with a finger. It seemed done.
Out of the oven, the cake deflated like a pierced balloon before my eyes. The shrieking sound was mine. The cake ended up half the height it started.
I didn't have time or ingredients to make it again. It tasted great, but fudgy instead of airy. And it looked small and sad. I cut it into pieces and artfully arranged it on a serving plate to make it look better.
That evening, I received an email that the chocolate angel food cake was "AWESOME!!"" Mind you, this was not a capitalized / multiple exclamation point type of person. I emailed back, "THANKS", and I wish you saw how awesome it was when I took it out of the oven. 🙂
Long story short, her oven as off 50 degrees. So it did take longer to cook, and I should have cooked it longer than I did. She got the oven fixed.
And she wanted a repeat of the deflated cake. We were never able to duplicate it. But we did find a flourless fudgy cupcake recipe she liked. I'll post that sometime.
Back to airy angel food cake.
When I started adapting wheat recipes to gluten free, I looked for recipes with a minimal amount of flour. Angel food cakes rely on eggs and sugar for structure. Wheat flour has just a supporting role here. The cocoa functions like flour too. So making this gluten free wasn't hard.
Teff flour.
Today I used teff flour. Teff naturally pairs with chocolate. It is finely ground, there is no hint of grittiness. Even when when using it alone.
You might be saying, "Darn, I am just out of teff." Sometimes, teff is hard to find in my grocery store. I have successfully made the same cake with Bob's Red Mill gluten free blend too, measure for measure.
Please let us know if you make the cake with other gluten free whole grain flours. Like sorghum, quinoa, buckwheat…
Baking chops.
Homemade angel food cake from scratch takes some skill. Though it is still "AWESOME!!!" if you goof. 🙂
People avoid sifting these days, but you do need to sift the flour, cocoa, sugar, and xanthan together. I promise, you will have lumps of unmixed dry ingredients it you skip this step.
And this cake is an exercise in egg foams. You beat the egg whites until they are foamy, then soft peaks, then glossy but not dry peaks. There is some judgment involved here.
But do not be afraid. Just jump in and make this lovely cake, it is the best way to experience perfect peaks.
Chocolate Angel Food Cake
|serves 12
|metric measures
|2/3 cup teff flour
|95 gm
|1/2 cup pure cocoa powder,
not cocoa drink mix
|40 gm
|3/4 cup sugar
|150 gm
|1/4 teaspoon xanthan
|1 gm
|1/2 teaspoon salt
|4 gm
|1-1/2 cup egg whites (11-12 egg whites)
|360 ml
|1 tablespoon very strong coffee
|15 ml
|1 tablespoon vinegar
|15 ml
|1 teaspoon cream of tartar
|3 gm
|12 tablespoons sugar
|150 gm
Heat oven to 350 degrees
Sift the teff flour, cocoa, 3/4 cup sugar, and xanthan together three times into a medium bowl. Set aside.
Put the salt, egg whites, coffee, vinegar, and cream of tarter in a very large bowl. With an electric mixer, beat on low speed for 1 minute. The mixture will be foamy.
Increase the speed to medium and beat until the mixture increases in volume about 5 times. And holds very soft peaks that flop over when you lift up the beaters.
Gradually beat in the remaining sugar, one tablespoon at a time. Beat to glossy, but not dry or stiff peaks.
Very gently fold in the sifted flour mixture, about 2 tablespoons at a time. Stirring wildly will deflate the air you just mixed into the foam, and you want to keep all the air you can.
After you think the flour is well mixed, fold about ten times more. I seem to always have unmixed streaks in the finished cake if I don't do this.
Pour the batter into an ungreased tube pan. It has a column in the middle and a removable bottom. Do not use a nonstick tube pan. The batter needs some texture on the side of the pan to cling to.
Bake for 35-40 minutes, or until a toothpick inserted in the middle comes out clean.
Invert pan and cool at least 2 hours. The cake will set during this time and maintain it's height. If the pan doesn't have "feet", you can slip it upside down over a glass bottleneck. Even baked properly, cooling it right side up, the cake is going to shrink some.
Super Simple Sauces
1. Thin preserves with water and add fresh fruit.
2. Thin peanut butter with an equal amount of water, stir until smooth.
3. Thin sour cream with water and add a bit of sugar and vanilla.


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Cowboys re-signed S Eric Frampton.
Mike Gillislee (hamstring) returned as a full participant at Tuesday's practice.
Ty Montgomery (leg) returned to practice on Tuesday.
According to NFL Network's Ian Rapoport, the Giants aren't concerned about Brandon Marshall's shoulder injury.
Matt Forte (hamstring) returned to team drills on Tuesday.
Colts coach Chuck Pagano said there's still no "timeline" for Andrew Luck's (shoulder) return.
Cardinals activated ILB Deone Bucannon (ankle) from the active/PUP list.
Eagles coach Doug Pederson said LeGarrette Blount will be "a big part of our offense."
Texans coach Bill O'Brien said Tom Savage "is our starter."
ESPN's Mike Reiss does not think the Patriots have a real running back depth chart.
Panthers coach Ron Rivera said Cam Newton (shoulder) is on track to play Thursday night against the Jaguars.
The Cincinnati Enquirer's Paul Dehner Jr. expects sophomore Tyler Boyd to be the Bengals' second most productive wide receiver.


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The 5 Things You Should Never Wear On a First Date
You know how they say, "Don't judge a book by its cover?" Well, that doesn't apply to what you wear on your first date.
-Elizabeth Marie
When women get asked out on a date by someone they are super interested in, the first thing she thinks isn't "What are we going to talk about?" Nope… it's "What am I going to wear?" Priorities, people. When it comes to fashion, we all have our own personal style and what works for one woman might not work for another, but it's pretty safe to say there are some things that just don't work for anyone, especially on a first date. Here are the five things you should never wear on a first date.
1. Sporty Spice.
Personally speaking, my gym clothes are some of the cutest items of clothing in my closet. I could LIVE in my yoga pants (and keeping it real, I pretty much do) because not only are they are oh so comfortable, but also, they make my booty look great! However, if you're trying to make an amazing first impression on someone, it's best to wear something that you haven't sweated in while listening to Beyonce on the treadmill. It's great to be comfortable on a first date, but workout gear is taking comfortable just a bit too literally.
Read 4 Things Women Do That Men Will Never Understand
2. False advertising.
Have you ever seen those padded bras that add up to 4 cup sizes? I thought they were a phenomenal idea until I was walking through the lingerie section of Nordstrom with my boyfriend one day and he pointed too a huge padded bra and said, "I would have been bummed if you wore this on our first date. Talk about false advertising." After I called him a jerk, I realized that maybe he was right. While women think they are just trying to look their best on a first date, guys don't always see it that way. There is a difference between working with what you've got and pretending you've got something you don't.
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NATHAN Rudge revealed that he could bring in as many as four new faces to boost his dwindling squad ahead of this weekend's trip to Bedworth United.
Luke Ballinger returned to rivals Frome Town last Friday and the Bluebirds boss was dismayed with the manner that the winger jumped ship.
"It left a sour taste in my mouth because he didn't turn up for traning last Thursday and when I finally got hold of him after 11 phone calls, he said 'didn't you get my text that said I was leaving?'.
"That was the first time I heard about Frome and it's disappointing because it's not right to just text someone. He's apologised to me since.
"Luke's a nice kid deep down and I think he's been given some bad advice. But he's the England Futsal captain and just like with me, the responsibility falls with him."
Brandon Barnes has also left Chippenham to join Paulton Rovers and Rudge added: "Brandon wanted games and if we were at the top of the table, I've no doubt he'd have been fantastic for us. I think it was the right club at the wrong time."
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Our team of illustrious judges had their work cut out for them this again this year. With over 80 entries in Spar for the Spurtle, narrowing it down to just three finalists meant watching a lot of videos! There was a lot of discussion about whether the dish could really be done in 30 minutes and how it would be received in Scotland. With five years of Golden Spurtle competition under their belt, the judges felt confident about what the Scottish judges are looking for in a winning dish. While I was not privy to the internal discussion, I know they had a very hard time narrowing it down to just three winners and could have easily picked ten.
I think the judges chose well with these three winners. Each dish is different and demonstrates a creative use of oats, proving, once again, that oats are not just for breakfast. We'll be working to get recipes for each video and put them up on our site soon. Without further ado, here are our finalists. Congratulations to the three finalists and our most sincere thanks to everyone who entered!
Camilla Saulsbury with Caledonian Dolmades
Carl Youngmann with Buttered Oats Brittle
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Lian Li PC-TU200: On the Road With Lian Liby Dustin Sklavos on 10/31/2011 12:45 AM EST
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Iketh - Monday, October 31, 2011 - linkI too would love to see a case like this without an optical drive bay, or even a 3.5" cage. Look at all that unsused room behind the optical bay! At least one 3.5" drive could be screwed to the top of the case in that area. A 2.5" SSD can practically be placed ANYWHERE in a case, they're so small!
Imagine the size of the case if the optical drive bay and the 3.5" cage is removed, and how much better airflow would be. One spot for a 2.5" and one for a 3.5", that's all I'd need in a case in this segment.
Oh and if I gave you any ideas for your case design in this post, be sure to stamp a "by IkethTech (tm)" next to it in inside the case :) Reply
rbsc - Monday, October 31, 2011 - linkExcellent Points.
May I also suggest the following:
*Mount the hard drives (2 max) to the doors.
*Add 4x USB to the back.
*Refine the handle to be removable. Grommets could be placed there if not needed.
*Specify the TDP limits on both CPU and GPU.
Also it is unclear if the tolerances for CPU cooler height were specified in the documentation, but that would've been useful when I was building my PC31. Luckily I took a guess and the cooler but barely fit the enclosure. Reply
n13L5 - Friday, September 07, 2012 - linkon the TU200, you can't mount drives to the doors, cause the doors are just snap-on.. if you add any weight, they might just pop off during transport and dangle on the hard drive cable (shudder) Reply
nubie - Monday, October 31, 2011 - linkYep, I agree on most of these points.
I wonder if you could take this case and disassemble it and trim it down to the size you would like?
I don't know if I am a fan of full-size power supplies in an ITX case, but if you are using a dual-slot GPU anyway, why not.
Perhaps flipping the case upside-down so the GPU gets a decent intake would be a good idea too. Of course then you may hear the fan if it is annoying.
I just realized the problem with removing the front bays and the CD. The GPU is likely to be the deciding factor in the depth of the box anyway, although you will lose some height be getting rid of the 5.25 bay.
As always, there is never a perfect pre-manufactured case for every person, this one gets mighty close though. Reply
gaiden2k7 - Monday, October 31, 2011 - linkhey guys i just wanna post my old project w/ a Lian Li Q07 that was modded to be a homeserver, it needs to be updated b/c i recently remodded again but i was able to make some use of that optical drive bay and everything else.
with some research you can fit alot of components inside a case like this :) Reply
jebo - Monday, October 31, 2011 - link"Imagine the size of the case if the optical drive bay and the 3.5" cage is removed, and how much better airflow would be. One spot for a 2.5" and one for a 3.5", that's all I'd need in a case in this segment."
*Exactly*. Somebody with a GTX580 probably doesn't want 5 hard drives in their system. You have two market segments for these cases. Small servers and LAN/gaming boxes. It seems trying to serve both with one case doesn't work.
Remove the ODD, put space for one 3.5" drive and one 2.5" drive and we'll be set. Reply
Mr Perfect - Monday, October 31, 2011 - linkOr just make it a slim line optical drive bay, like the Silverstone cases. Most people don't use the drive enough to need a full size monster, but it's still useful.
On the drive bay side, just gimme two 2.5" mounts. One for a SSD, and one for a travel rated spinner. This case is clearly targeted at mobile lan systems, not file servers. Who would put four 3.5' drives in a road warrior?
At any rate, glad to see performance mITX parts one way or the other. Reply
lapinou - Tuesday, November 01, 2011 - linkHi,
If I may chime in.
Did you see the SilverStone Sugo SG05? I'd say it's less voluminous.
I got myself one of them with their 450W PSU (unfortunately you can't use a standard one, it's a way for them to make more money I guess) and their is room for a double slot 9.5'' graphic card. Instead of a - almost - useless 3.5'' ODD bay it has a slim drive bay.
At the time I was considering a Lian Li Q07, like the one modded by gaiden2k7.
But case's "weird" form factor detered me. Question of price I guess too... but at the end I cost me an arm cause I bought the Sugo SG05 with the regular 300W and was dumfound when I cound't plug the extra alim cable for the GTX 460 - ended up buying this 450W. I believe a year ago or so SIlverStone started shipping some SG05 with the 450W.
So it could be a good bet.
The SG06 already existed but some reviews shown it was apparently not as good as the SG05.
I was happy with the temperatures, air flow and - no - noise.
I'm using a i5 760 with stock rad (but no OC).
Hope that's bringing some interesting info to the lads looking to build an ITX gaming rig.
The Sugo SG05 home: http://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=210
PS: note sure you'll still easily find this model though cause it's quiet "old" according to the IT world. Reply
lapinou - Tuesday, November 01, 2011 - link*useless 3.5'' ODD*
I meant 5.25''!!! Reply
lapinou - Tuesday, November 01, 2011 - linkOne review of the good old SG05 http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/758 Reply
apparition47 - Tuesday, November 01, 2011 - linkI built a mini-ITX rig for the gf using this case about 1-2 months ago. It was my first non-ATX build, so it was an interesting project. I managed to wedge a GTX 560 Ti in there with a i5 2400. I'm still dumbfounded how you can get so much power into a case like that, having built all my gaming rigs on ATX up til now.
Hopefully when it's time for my next PC, another mini-ITX case will be suitable. Reply
n13L5 - Friday, September 07, 2012 - linkCheck the PC-Q18 case. same size, no optical drive bay, no external bay at all, actually.
I was looking at it, but I need a BD drive cause I do watch movies sometimes. Reply
ac2 - Monday, October 31, 2011 - linkDustin (and Jared), first just want to thank you for all the stuff you put out here. I really don't give a **** about all the smartphone/ tablet reviews so particularly look forward to your work on systems/ mobos/ cases/ PSU. If you could do a roundup of the most popular LCD monitor size that would be great.
Re UEFI, there is a lot of discussion re the secure boot option being mandated by MS for Windows 8 and how this may be interpreted by OEMs to lock out other OSs from Win 8 pre-installs. This may be a storm in a teacup, but could you please keep a eye out for this on future mobo/ system/ laptop reviews, particularly calling out such systems that do not allow the user to install other OSs as a result of this. Reply
anikolayev - Monday, October 31, 2011 - linkSeconding Iketh
WHY, WHY do I need an optical drive on the road? WHY?
When are these manufacturers going to figure it out that there's a market for mATX cases that have room ONLY for an SSD.
Even on my main rackmount PC I tossed out the optical drives just last week.
WHO NEEDS A DVD BURNER WHEN YOU CAN HAVE A SECOND OR FULL SIZE GPU? Seriously people, seriously. Reply
Dustin Sklavos - Monday, October 31, 2011 - linkWhile digital distribution is more and more becoming a way to go, every so often there are still games that will need disc authentication to load. It's stupid and I have VERY few now, but nonetheless it's a consideration. Reply
7Enigma - Monday, October 31, 2011 - linkThat's what a USB external optical drive is for. I personally only use mid-tower desktop systems but if I was more mobile-oriented I would love a smaller box similar to this.
It is crazy that no one seems to understand what enthusiasts want in a particular case. We seriously need to start an Anandtech hardware company. "Hardware by enthusiasts for enthusiasts" or something like that.
Ditch the drive cage, ditch the optical drive, increase the space behind the mobo by 1" to allow for the 2.5" SSD/HDD and cable routing. You'd have a clean wiring on the component side, and enough space on the backside for wiring and drives.
This is so obvious I'm surprised Apple hasn't tried to patent it yet (yup I went there).
Who's going to be the obvious genius to build this simple design? Reply
Taft12 - Monday, October 31, 2011 - linkA consideration that should be met with external DVD drives only
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82... Reply
BansheeX - Monday, October 31, 2011 - linkWhy does these dinosaur drive sizes persist? Slimline and 2.5 need to become standard already, good god. Reply
Dustin Sklavos - Monday, October 31, 2011 - link5.25"...the slimline form factor makes it a bit harder to fit certain types of drives into, which drives up cost.
3.5"...we may be up to 1TB in 2.5" mechanical hard drives right now, but we're up to 4TB in 3.5" mechanical hard drives, so that pretty much speaks for itself. Reply
saurey - Monday, October 31, 2011 - linkI'd remove the cage altogether, then get a 1x5.25 to 4x2.5" drive bay - only takes 1 power connector to run 4 drives and have that be my storage solution.
I'd also put some rubber feet stick ons underneath the existing case feet to raise it a about a cm higher for better intake for GPU.
Also would play with the idea of mounting the PSU upside down to help pull air out of the case.
I wonder how high the maximum cooler on the CPU is? I really like the corsair hydro coolers but there doesn't seem to be a way to fit that... Maybe where that dumb drive bay is?
Agreed no need for 3.5" drives, especially in this case and 5.25 bay is just a bonus so I can use my 4x2.5" rack in it. Reply
Dustin Sklavos - Monday, October 31, 2011 - linkI actually tried to mount the PSU upside down; the problems there are two fold.
First, you run the risk of reducing air pressure around the CPU (the CPU's cooler is typically going to be an intake, especially since you can't install a tower cooler in this case.)
Second, the cabling on my power supplies actually PREVENTED them from being installed upside down because the connectors themselves would jam up against the drive cage.
Seriously, that drive cage is a major issue. Reply
londiste - Monday, October 31, 2011 - linkby the way, they have already done the exact same case layout in a simpler and in my opinion better in couple of ways - venting holes for psu on the side panel and simpler drive bay (or, two of them - fitting 4+2 drives if you don't use a graphics card)
the same case i brought up in the last lian li case review comments pc-q08. :) Reply
Soulkeeper - Monday, October 31, 2011 - linkI almost got this for my llano build
Ended up going with the PC-Q11B because it was smaller and didn't have an annoying top fan
and it was half the price ...
No point in putting a full-sized vid card in a mini-itx setup for me
I also looked at the PC-Q07, but it lacked hd space and front panel 3.0 usb headers (it would have been an inch or so smaller on height and depth I believe), plus No fans at all. Reply
Robert Kooijman - Monday, October 31, 2011 - linkInteresting case!
If underclocked a bit, the front fan could be replaced by a speaker. Add some dampening material, and you've got a nice portable HTPC/radio. Reply
cjs150 - Monday, October 31, 2011 - linkThere was me thinking the case bore a remarkable likeness to a high end metal camera case - but yes it could be a speaker.
It is a great concept but flawed execution.
1. Unlike some I like having an optical drive but slimline is fine
2. Unless using the case for file server there is no need for storage to be more than an SSD + HD
3. Cable routing needs more thought, short cables are needed and maybe some for of build in power distribution (just an idea)
4. Take all the crap out between fan and M/b and let the air flow Reply
AnnihilatorX - Monday, October 31, 2011 - linkI think the case looks like a guitar amp really Reply
Locut0s - Monday, October 31, 2011 - linkI noticed you have mentioned a few times now about LP4/Molex connectors on fans. I couldn't agree more, however perhaps the blame should be shifted more directly onto the fan manufacturers. Now, granted a lot if not most of the time they are the same company as the case manufacturers. Coolermaster, Zalman, Antec all make both cases AND fans. Still fans as a standalone accessory represent a large enough market that I DO think the blame should be placed more directly here and there are lots of smaller bit players in the market that only sell fans. I don't know of a single company that sells a fan currently with a sata power connector on it, though it would not surprise me if such a beast existed. Also fans are not the only accessory still using molex as a standard. A heck of a lot of accessories and the modding market still is. Fans, fan controllers, cold cathode tubes, LED case lighting, water pumps, all still use molex routinely. You still see it on high end motherboards as a way of delivering extra power above and beyond specs for stability and overclocking. All of this is indeed annoying, Especially in an era of modular power supplies being so common. What's the point of a modular power supply when I can't chose NOT to plug in the molex cables. Still I think the blame should still be focused more squarely on the accessories and fan markets specifically. Reply
7Enigma - Monday, October 31, 2011 - linkI'll keep the Molex/IDE setup. If I could eliminate SATA power and data cables from my system I would be a happy person. The SATA design is probably the worst connector I've ever seen due to fragility. You connect a Molex and you can literally hit it with a hammer and it won't quit. You accidentally bend the SATA cable a bit during installation and you break off the connector and have a real mess on your hands.
About the only cable worse is USB because they STILL haven't figured out a way to make it obvious which side is which and due to bad luck I have about an 80% chance of having it the wrong direction. But at least that connection is more secure than the L-shaped piece of junk that is SATA. Reply
Taft12 - Monday, October 31, 2011 - linkHallelujah! Next time add HDMI to your poor connector design rant, too.
I've got an early-gen WD Raptor (non-veloci-) and it had BOTH molex and SATA connectors so you could go either/or. I wish they had kept that trend going.... Reply
Mr Perfect - Monday, October 31, 2011 - linkI hear you on the USB-in-backwards issue. I would have that problem all the time until reading a USB spec article. Any USB cable that is made to spec should have a USB icon on one side of the plug, the side with the icon goes up! Of course some cables aren't market with the icon, and sometimes the ports are twisted around a bit, but it gives you a chance better then 50/50. Reply
lorribot - Monday, October 31, 2011 - linkThe USB logo goes up on every USB socket except Dell Optiplex front connectors which for some reason have always been upside down.
No one at Dell has ever been able to tell me why. Reply
7Enigma - Tuesday, November 01, 2011 - linkHmm, so since 90% of USB cables I seem to use are vertical rather than horizontal, is that to the left or the right? :) Reply
Golgatha - Monday, October 31, 2011 - linkRemove the drive cage entirely, put in a 4x2.5in to 5.25in adapter at the top of the tower, and make sure the main system fan is blowing over it. 7200rpm mechanical 2.5in HDDs are plenty fast for this type of application (especially if you put 2 in RAID0 or RAID1) and a bay for a SSD would be welcome. Optical drives are rarely needed anymore and you can bring an external USB optical drive with you if you end up needing one anyway.
These major changes would allow for a full sized PSU and a high end graphics card, and you wouldn't have the heat issues to deal with due to more room for airflow. A 2x120mm fan configuration in the front and single 120mm fan in the back (the second 120mm fan in the back would be in the PSU) would be cool, quiet, and effective for any system you could dream up. I 2nd the idea of creating an Anandtech "by the enthusiast for the enthusiast" company. Let's do it and make millions. Reply
superccs - Monday, October 31, 2011 - linkSo what are the obvious things you do in the case of an ultra portable laptop?
1 small HDD.... check.
no optical drive.... check.
Since this is not a laptop 2 HDDs sounds good (2.5 SSD + 2-3TB drive). A standard ATX PSU makes total sense since they are infinitely available and their added size is worth the stable and reliable power they provide.
Optical drive really? If you are trying to make a compact as possible box, make a half height 5.25 drive bay, or can the whole bay and let them plug in a USB drive if they need to.
Anyone want to go in to the case making business? I think that there are some definite opportunities. Lian Li keep trying. Reply
Death666Angel - Monday, October 31, 2011 - linkI like the drive cage with the back plane, that's a nice touch. But I do ask myself, who here would use 4 3.5" drives in such an enclosure. If it were me, I'd pop the drive cage out and use it for something else. Best usage would be to install a radiator with the 140mm fan. Unfortunately, there is no AIO water cooling solution with 140mm radiators (as far as I know).
Still, I always appreciate a small case. But I'd always go mATX in this day an age. Maybe when we hit 10nm CPU/GPU and a system uses 100W tops I can go with something this small. Until then I'll need the extra space for some quieter cooling. And I like to keep my options open of using an Intel PCIe NIC, sound card etc. Just 'cause. Reply
miteethor - Monday, October 31, 2011 - linkI have two Lian-Li cases and they are hands down the best I've ever owned. I just feel bad that the first to Lian-Li's reviewed by this site are super-compact and apparently cumbersome and poor performing, because working in the larger chassis is pure pleasure. Maybe you should get one of the larger models to compare because it would be a shame for the last 2 reviews to be representative of this company. Reply
Dustin Sklavos - Monday, October 31, 2011 - linkI actually have two bigger Lian Li cases in house waiting to be reviewed, so things should pick up there. Reply
Knifeshade - Monday, October 31, 2011 - linkAny more smaller cases after those? I'm personally wondering what you think of the V354. Reply
martmann - Wednesday, November 02, 2011 - linkGood review, in general, but seeing as your review motherboard did not have a 20 pin USB 3 header for the front ports (just like most current mini-ITX boards), you would think it would be worth mentioning that there is no way to use the front USB 3 ports (except as USB 2 ports).
You did point out enough faults to keep most from buying this case, but you missed that pretty big one. I bought a replacement front port cable that had 2 Male type A USB 3 connectors (to run to the back panel ports of my motherboard) to correct this, but it cost around $30 (shipped) LL P/N: PW-IE5H550. Reply
TheGoodGeek - Thursday, November 03, 2011 - link...Newegg didn't even have pics on the product page yet. I completely agree that this was the hardest (and most expensive) case I've ever used in a build. On the plus side, my spouse decided to put the quality to the test, and ran into the USB extension cord for the keyboard when I was testing the hookup to the big TV - a 3 foot drop onto concrete floors, and the only damage was to one of the side panel clips. No dents, no part failures. THAT's true durability, just what you need for travel. (And yes, I've now got a bluetooth keyboard!)
I did, however, have to go back to the drawing board when my temps were simply unacceptable with the initial build. I switched to a modular Silverstone power supply with shorter cables, and swapped out the CPU cooler, and now it's fine.
I've been on about an hour and a half, and currently the system as at:
Chassis Fan 976 rpm
CPU fan 1687 rpm
Motherboard 31C
I took a lot of pics during the build and re-build, but have been too lazy to post them in the forum. I'll get to work. Reply
TheGoodGeek - Friday, November 04, 2011 - linkFor reference, the clearances in this case are:
VGA Card length: 300mm
PSU length: 140mm
CPU cooler height: 80mm Reply
TheGoodGeek - Friday, November 04, 2011 - linkI've posted complete details of my build in this case along with photos and hardware choices (both wrong and right), on my blog (TheGoodGeek dot Net). A bit too long to post here, but the highlights are: don't go with a stock ATX PSU, get one of the shorter SFF ATX PSUs, and don't throw more wattage at it than you really need. 850W is overkill and will add to heat issues. Definitely find a better quality low profile CPU cooler, not the Intel stock cooler. I prefer the Asus P8H67-I to the Zotac Z68. Maybe Anand has had better luck with their Zotacs than the rest of us, but I just wouldn't trust it. Be willing to adjust your initial build until you get the cooling performance you need. Since my post ~5.5 hours ago, temps have only risen to: 30C CPU, 32C motherboard. Reply
JonnyDough - Sunday, November 06, 2011 - linkI'd like to see a slim laptop drive bay instead of a 5.25". No cover is necessary, as that just ads weight and extra wear on my drive gears.
I'd also like to see an included or available SOLID 375-550w standard PICO or ATX PSUs with SHORT wiring. Cohort with a brand name we recognize (some companies, ie Silverstone manufacture both cases and PSUs that are of quality, so pay attention if you do).
Another note goes to durability. The black looks nice, but the painted corners will likely soon show wear as the paint comes off. If you use paint, make sure its very durable powder coating. Non-gloss (flat) is just fine. Plain stainless steel edges would do well also. The use of a heavy and thick (so you can barely see through) stainless steel mesh for air intakes or the case sides altogether (like the kind used for customized grills on automobiles) would be superb. I think you could slap together a pretty mean case. I would be willing to fork over more money for something that I know will last me 10 years and a hundred(s) of LAN parties.
Wiring is a big pain when it comes to small cases. as well as getting access to components like hard drives, disc drives, ram, CPU heatsinks. Make it so the PSU and drive bay swings out of the way if you can so that the motherboard is openly accessed. I want everything to fold out on a swivel somehow so I can reach in and replace the motherboard easily. Reply
getback2us - Friday, November 11, 2011 - linkI like the Chenbro ES34069 specs the most.
For the given size and 4 x 3.5 slots with a slot for DVD player sounds perfect to me.
A 5.25 bay is essential in many cases when you are trying to dump contents from DVD to NAS. Doing it USB 3 or gigabit port might be another option, but what couldn't be more efficient than a local DVD drive.
The Lien Li PC-Q08 and PC-TU200 are 2 best NAS cases I found next to Chenbro ES34069.
There is 2 another good ones. One by Fractal design and Silverstone SST-TJ08 are 2 close matches for LOTSs 3.5 and at least one 5.25 drives while still being Mini-Itx and compact.
I am always on lookout for compact BIIGG capacity cases.
if anyone knows more, please let me know Reply
cyberkost - Saturday, November 19, 2011 - linkPros:
space for 4 3.5" HDD -- I grew to like RAID10 with 4 HDD
5.25" bay -- full spectrum of ODDs can be used + a host of other 5.25" devices
ATX PSU -- again, easy to find / less expensive parts
Screw-less side panels -- open the case up easily for airflow or temporary hook-ups
Mobo tray -- mobo is NOT on a side panel!!
Compact size / mobility
Aluminum feet -- going to scratch / mark the surface the case is standing on
Price -- a bit too high (should be same / similar to PC-Q08 ~ USD120-130)
Silver front fan bracket in a black case -- visible through, not very aesthetic (can be painted, but I'd much prefer anodized from the factory)
Placement / orientation of front panel buttons / connectors -- I think Lian Li should have arranged them in a vertical cluster like on PC-Q08 .. or at least have USB3.0 and eSATA ports oriented horizontally
Handle .. but it kinda goes with that "luggage" corner design Reply
cyberkost - Monday, December 26, 2011 - linkMore of a question: did anyone try to put another intake fan on the bottom using rubber screws? I think it might work / be helpful in the no GPU scenario ... Reply
TheGoodGeek - Monday, December 26, 2011 - linkNo. There's not enough room with a GPU installed, and I think there are better SFF choices if you're going the no GPU route. Reply
n13L5 - Sunday, August 26, 2012 - linkThe TU200 case reviewed here is a 25.3 liter case, with:
300mm graphics card clearance, which is good, but only 140mm PSU clearance and a pretty poor 80mm CPU cooler clearance.
The smaller PC-Q08 at only 21.3 liters does better:
300mm graphics card clearance, 160mm PSU clearance, and a not perfect, but much better 110mm CPU cooler clearance.
What this means is, that you'll be hard pressed to install anything better than Scythe's Big Shuriken cooler in the TU200.
The PC-Q08 can hold a far better Noctua NH-L12 (with 2x 120mm NF-P12 fans) or even a Noctua NH-C14 cooler (with 1x 140mm NF-P14 fan).
Looking at some comparison tests made a strong point for using the NH-C14 cooler: With 2 fans installed, it beats a lot of massive top-end tower coolers and with only 1 fan installed, its still beats some, and it certainly beats anything that fits into small cases.
The Big Shuriken is great for its size at only 58mm high, but it lacks fin surface area to compete when you have 110mm to play with. Result, you get much better cooling in the PC-Q08 than in the TU200. I could not find anything better than the Big Shuriken that still stayed under 80mm height. (if you know something, I'm interested, please let me know)
Economically, the Noctua NH-C14 cooler is also interesting, even though its not cheap: the second fan it comes with won't fit on the cooler in this case, but it can be used as a case fan in the PC-Q08 in two places, and its an expensive, very high quality, silent fan.
The cooler costs 65 Euro with those 2 fans, which separately cost 21 Euro each. So, with the extra, I have to buy just one more 140mm fan to complete the cooling, setting me back 86 Euro total.
If I buy the Big Shuriken instead, it costs me only 42 Euro with its one slimline fan, but I still have to buy 2 140mm case fans, so I would end up with an almost identical 84 Euro total.
Granted, if you don't mind buying cheaper/lower quality fans, this calculation falls apart :)
Note: the PC-Q08 spec lists one 140mm fan and one 120mm fan, but like many other 140mm fans, Noctua's 140mm fans have 120mm mounting holes and there's enough room around the 120mm cutout in the case to mount them in both locations. Actually, the 140mm cutout in the case could hold a 180mm fan, if you can find a good one, which I found surprisingly difficult... Reply
n13L5 - Friday, September 07, 2012 - linkI largely agree with the reviewer's criticisms but not with some of the proposed solutions.
Right up front: the much cheaper (and same size) PC-Q08 is much better thermally, due to a smaller simple drive cage with more perforations, and an additional 120mm exhaust fan at the top, and the greater clearance for CPU coolers of 110mm instead of 80mm on the PC-TU200.
The TU200 drive cage is a major selling point for me, cause once the case is built (only thing that really annoyed me is cable management) drives slide in and out, and they do hot swap.
I've built this with 2012 components: Asus P8Z77-i Deluxe, Intel I7-3770K, Gigabyte GTX 670 OC Windforce, one SSD and one HDD and CL8 Crucial RAM.
1) Drive cage should be much more perforated and moved 1/2 inch toward the front fan.
2) Annoying that modular 160mm deep PSUs are unsuitable for this case and 140mm PSUs are generally not available with modular wiring. Antec does make a great 140mm deep PSU series for this case though, the EarthWatt Platinum 450/550/650 Watt at 93% efficiency.
3) Using the Asus mainboard with its vertical power management daughter board makes it impossible to fit a Scythe Big Shuriken, which would otherwise be a good fit for this case. I'm using the awful Intel stock cooler till I find something with a 120mm fan that fits.
4) Related to this, due to no 120mm exaust fan anywhere, a little liquid cooler with radiator is out of the question for CPU cooling too.
5) While the entire floor of the PC-Q08 is perforated for GPU air intake, only the rear section of the TU200 is perforated. If you have a reference board cooler design, your GPU's fan is going to sit 1" from solid metal, cutting its efficiency.
6) Making the case slightly longer, like Dustin recommended may also give enough room for a 120mm exhaust fan behind the handle, so yeah... also, the case wastes some space in height, so the increase in length could be accompanied by a decrease in height. Though I do like that the current form factor makes it look like a guitar amp.
7) Due to the thermal limitations, my setup is much louder in this case than in the PC-Q08. During a stresstest (running Furmark simultaneously with Cinebench R11.5) pushing GPU and CPU to full load, Intel's retarded CPU cooler was howling, followed by a BOD after about 15 minutes. This was no problem in the PC-Q08, it didn't even get noisy.
Lest you think I'm trying really hard to sell you on the PC-Q08, that also has some annoyances: The sides only come off by unscrewing 16(!) screws total, and there is no mainboard tray, the mainboard standoffs are on the right side outer panel. Given how wide that case is, I guess it was about cost cutting, seeing how this case is about half the price of the TU200. But given the TU200's issues, it does make the PC-Q08 look good, even though its drive case is nothing special.
I missed bidding in time on an SG08 on ebay, so I have to wait for another one before I can test that, cause I'm not paying Silverstone 200 Euros for their steel case with a non modular bronze PSU. Reply
n13L5 - Friday, September 07, 2012 - linkForgot to mention the 2.5" drive issue:
With all the little custom parts Lian Li made for the TU200, they could have easily provided a mounting bracket for 2.5" drives that would let them slide & plug right into the backplane.
As it is, you have to mount rubber grommets to the bottom instead of the sides, and then try to fish SATA power connectors through the small openings in the backplane, for which I popped off a cover from the connector to get it through, and after installation, your wires are stressed over sharp edges.
Overall, I'd call the TU200 the case of stressed wires... Reply
ronmccord - Sunday, February 02, 2014 - linkWhat a shame this review. Anyone serious about this case will do research first. "I'll admit I don't think our testbed represents a particularly good combination of components for a unique specimen like the TU200, " No one will try and run this case in the style of the author. If you read new egg reviews no one uses the drive cage and will find the right power supply and combinations of components. This review is certainly good info of what not to do. I am confident with the right power supply, drive cage removed and modern gpu installed this case will perform as well in general as other itx machines out there with a unique look and quality unmatched. This is one of the few cases you could have at home and then bring to work easily. Ditch the dvd drive and add a fan controller for example from Lian Li, they have one with one fan control know and adds a 2.5 cage! In aluminum or black color. Or an aluminum ventilation screen and other options. Get longer case feet, a sff modular power supply. In other words do everything right instead of wrong like in this review and you could have one special case! Reply
NA1NSXR - Friday, April 24, 2015 - linkYou are right, I just did a paper build of this case and did all the research. You can kill two birds with one stone by using a SFX PSU and adapter bracket, which will free up space for air/cables and also get you some additional CPU heatsink clearance. In fact, you get enough additional clearance to go one step up on Noctua's offerings, to a L12, which definitely means extra clockspeed from OC headroom - maybe not up to 1.3V but definitely 1.2V in the 80C range. Also, a powerful 140mm like Noctua Industrial PPC 3000rpm can really be quite sufficient, even if GPU placement is somewhat cramped for breathing room.
It's definitely a workable case. In fact I am pretty tempted by my paper build since I live overseas for work. This thing would work as a carryon easily. Reply
n13L5 - Sunday, October 18, 2015 - linkI could actually make this thing smaller and achieve the goal of a portable Lan party box.
Lian Li's problem here is not the size but the layout. Fortunately, their recent PC-Q10 is a good indicator that they have finally understood - after leaving the field pretty much to Silverstone & Co uncontested. Reply


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Great race report, by the way. I learned some valuable info on running through a cramp. And you also scared the crap out of me.
Yes, great race report. Reminds me of why I just did the Half this year at CMM. I'm really gonna hate this. If I'm walking and you lap me at the Monkey...just pretend you don't see me.
12 Monkeys
I'm running somewhere tomorrow. It's going to be beautiful. I can't wait.
Poor baby
How can they transfer bibs?
Are you riding down to Tupelo with us? I'm driving. Leaving around 11ish from Nashville.
Imminent Catastrophe
"Able to function despite imminent catastrophe"
"To obtain the air that angels breathe you must come to Tahoe"--Mark Twain
"The most common question from potential entrants is 'I do not know if I can do this' to which I usually answer, 'that's the whole point'.--Paul Charteris, Tarawera Ultramarathon RD.
√ Javelina Jundred Jalloween 2015
Cruel Jewel 50 mile May 2016
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Oh, that's right. I remember reading about some of this on the NS site. It sounds like you were able to diagnose the problem and dial into those variables that were necessary to correct the problem. Once you find the formula, you can stick to it! That's why I always eat oatmeal now before marathons and long runs. I know what to expect.
I've heard good things about MCM. This group that I run with on Wednesdays and Saturday mornings out here in H'ville is sending 35 people. They had some cancellations, so if you know of anybody that wants in, they can transfer bib numbers.
They are trying hard to get me to run it, but it just doesn't seem like my thing. I'm committed to only running the no frills (course that's hard as a mother f'er) races in '08. So, far I've stuck to the plan.
Tony. I feel you on the stromach issues. I ran my worse marathon ever 3 weeks before CMM this year because of stomach issues. You may hear people around here refer to it as "Candicing"
You don't really want to know what that means.


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Johnson struggles as Blue Jays lose rubber game
Right-hander allows six runs in shortest start of career
DETROIT -- The starting rotation was expected to be a major strength for the Blue Jays this season, but through the first nine games it has turned into a glaring weakness.
The sample size is still small and the expectation is that things will turn around in the near future, but there's no denying the starters have yet to live up to the hype.
Toronto's pitching woes continued on Thursday afternoon, as right-hander Josh Johnson surrendered six runs in the shortest start of his career and the Blue Jays were defeated, 11-1, by the Tigers at Comerica Park.
"We have to pitch deeper into games, not give up runs in the first inning," Johnson said after his disappointing outing. "We can't dig ourselves some holes, and once that happens all of a sudden the hitting will come around just like yesterday when we put up runs in a hurry."
The Blue Jays' starters have a Major League worst 7.59 ERA and have yet to record an out in the seventh inning. Through the past turn in the rotation, no one from the starting staff even completed five innings.
That's put an extra burden on a bullpen that has been overworked despite the fact it has been carrying an extra man with third baseman Brett Lawrie on the 15-day disabled list. The expectation was that the club would return to seven relievers this weekend, but after the bullpen had to pitch 6 2/3 innings on Thursday even that has come into question.
The lack of reliable defense behind the pitchers has also been a major concern but the performance should still be better. Johnson didn't shy away from that, and while the cold weather at Comerica Park could have been used as an excuse he made sure to put the onus on himself.
"I haven't thrown my slider for a strike yet so far," Johnson said. "Curveball, seemed like they were on that. Fastball was down but it was just down the middle. I threw some alright pitches and got some ground balls but just didn't make it through.
"I wish I could go 100-120 pitches just to help save the bullpen a little bit. But when you give up five, six hits in a row, and six runs in 1 1/3 innings, it's not really going to work out."
Johnson retired the first two batters he faced but everything went downhill from there. He walked two in the first inning before surrendering an RBI single to Victor Martinez as Detroit took an early 1-0 lead.
The issues carried over into the second, and this time Johnson was unable to escape the jam. He allowed singles to four of the first five batters in the inning before Miguel Cabrera delivered the biggest blow, an RBI triple to the gap in right-center field.
Prince Fielder followed with an RBI single, and when it was all said and done Johnson had surrendered six runs on seven hits and two walks. Johnson has made 146 starts in his career and this went down as his shortest. It marked the first time he didn't pitch at least two innings since his days as a reliever in 2006.
"He had a tough go of it and they're hot, they're swinging the bats," Blue Jays manager John Gibbons said. "They took it to us all series really. It seems like everybody in that lineup is hitting about .350.
"But [Johnson] couldn't really get a feel for anything, it's definitely not what we needed, but what a difference a day makes. We didn't get a whole lot of innings out of any of our starters [this series] so we had to go to our bullpen a lot. Tough day."
The story wasn't much better for the Blue Jays on offense. The club was held in check by right-hander Doug Fister, who allowed only one run on eight hits while striking out five.
One of the only bright spots occurred in the second when Rajai Davis was hit by a pitch, stole second and scored on a sacrifice fly by Mark DeRosa. Other than that, the lone scoring opportunity came in the third when the Blue Jays put the first two batters of the inning on base but had Melky Cabrera thrown out at the plate.
"That's a huge momentum builder for everybody, whether it's me as a pitcher or anybody else standing around," Fister said of Andy Dirks' throw from left that caught Cabrera. "For us to score that inning, come back and put up a zero, I think that's a big thing. That's one of the things my college coach would always harp on, made it a huge focus. Score first, but put up a zero right after that. I think that says a lot for the team."
With the loss, the Blue Jays' dropped to 3-6 and they've lost three consecutive series to open a season for the first since they lost four straight in 1978. The club went five series without a win in 1998, but one was a split.
"Really nothing's clicked, nothing's really working together yet," Gibbons said of his team's season. "Today was ugly. That was tough conditions to play in but Fister hung in there and did a pretty good job.
"I've been saying this a lot lately but we need a good outing on the mound. If we get a good solid outing, we'll be fine."
Gregor Chisholm is a reporter for MLB.com. Read his blog, North of the Border, and follow him on Twitter @gregorMLB. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.


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After several consecutive years of free-falling enrollment, Southern University is making an aggressive push to recruit new students by offering in-state tuition to out-of-state students, reaching out to foreign countries and asking alumni nationwide to sell the school's attributes to prospective enrollees.
Southern's enrollment has dipped from nearly 9,500 students to about 6,600 students over the past several years due in part to state-mandated higher admissions phased in seven years ago.
Southern Chancellor James Llorens said dropping enrollment coupled with five straight years of state budget cuts have made a strong recruiting effort vital for the campus' survival.
"Going from a budget driven by state funding to a budget driven by tuition, also losing enrollment means we have to really put forth that effort," Llorens said. "We believe the interest is there. We are an attractive option in Louisiana and in the country. We have to capture that."
The situation is critical enough that Southern recently created a new position specifically to handle recruiting and retention.
Llorens said the university needs to identify potential students and then nurture them through the recruiting, admissions, registration and financial aid processes in order to retain them.
"It is absolutely critical now that we give students the resources they need to matriculate; and in the shortest time possible, because their costs are rising, and the changes in financial aid and in admissions have made it more difficult for students."
So last year, Llorens installed Al Tezeno as Southern's associate vice chancellor for student success.
Llorens said it's dangerous for students to get into college and start "getting too comfortable" in dropping courses and reducing their workload.
"Financial aid only lasts for six years," he said. "It's critical that students know that. It ensures they are taking the sufficient amount of credits. They need to identify early what classes they need so they don't have to be dropping classes and making changes. That's why we call it student success."
Tezeno said it's his job to build partnerships with high school counselors, making sure students have a course load that puts them on track for college. And, once students make it to campus, "we have to make sure they're being advised properly and not taking courses out of sync," he said.
Another component, Tezeno said, is having a strong online presence, where students can get a variety of administrative tasks, like registration, done from a home computer.
"Students don't want to stand in line. They want to go online. We need to push students to the Web," Tezeno said. "But they won't believe what we say until they test it. So we have to really be on top of our customer service."
Tezeno said Southern's 78 percent retention rate from the first year to the second year could easily be in the 80s in the near future, if students feel they are cared for adequately.
"Our performance today is better than yesterday, but it's not as good as it will be tomorrow," Tezeno said.
On the recruiting side, Southern has entered into partnerships with universities in Brazil and Turkey and will begin offering English as a second language, or ESL, courses this summer in an effort to attract international students.
Llorens said the ESL courses could also attract local families who have recently immigrated to the U.S.
In another move, Southern is now extending in-state tuition to some students from Texas, Mississippi and Arkansas provided those students score at least a 20 on their standardized ACT test, and then maintain a 2.75 grade-point average once they've received the waiver.
But Llorens said a significant part of the recruiting effort will fall on alumni in other cities including Chicago, Houston, Dallas and Washington, D.C., who host "Special College Night" recruiting events.
"We don't have the resources to have full-time people everywhere, but we do our best to make use of our alumni.
In Baton Rouge, Southern will hold "College Night Out On the Bluff" from 6 p.m. to 8 p.m. on Feb. 26 at the F.G. Clark Activity Center on campus.
Southern spokesman Ed Pratt said prospective students can talk to professors, and learn about financial aid and housing at the event. High school seniors who meet certain academic requirements could be offered scholarships on the spot, he said.


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Corsair Obsidian 350D Case Reviewby Dustin Sklavos on 4/25/2013 11:00 AM EST
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geniekid - Thursday, April 25, 2013 - linkI would've liked to see an option for a side fan. In my experience I've found that a side exhaust fan has a tremendous impact on temps when dealing with graphics cards that exhaust into the case. Reply
marc1000 - Thursday, April 25, 2013 - linkI also would have liked a side fan near the GPU. I don't care much about windows, but nothing is ever perfect to everyone. This case is better than the average mATX, even if not exactly small as it could be. nice review! Reply
AssBall - Friday, April 26, 2013 - linkIf you are building a micro ATX board system with 400W gaming card(s), then you should probably re-evaluate your priorities. Reply
lmcd - Friday, April 26, 2013 - linkFYI LAN parties and LAN cases are both still relatively popular. Reply
Death666Angel - Saturday, May 11, 2013 - linkNo? If it's possible, why not? mATX doesn't mean "less powerful" it just means "smaller". Reply
EzioAs - Thursday, April 25, 2013 - linkLooking at the aesthetics, performance numbers and your comments on how easy it was to assemble inside it, I kinda guess you'd be giving it some kind of award.
Personally, I think at this point in time we'd be getting 4xUSB 3.0 and the connectors are compatible with 3.0 and 2.0 like the ones in the Bitfenix Raider.
Other than that, fantastic looking case. Might be what I was looking for to put the old C2Q, 775 board and GTX460.
Thanks for the review Dustin. Reply
lmcd - Friday, April 26, 2013 - linkYeah, two USB 3 is getting low, especially with mobos now providing 2 USB 3 headers. Reply
rakunSA - Thursday, April 25, 2013 - linkFirst thing I noticed is that there's a bowl (a rice bowl perhaps?) in the reflection. HA Reply
Dustin Sklavos - Thursday, April 25, 2013 - linkI actually use rice bowls to hold screws. :) Reply
douglaswilliams - Thursday, April 25, 2013 - linkI first thought the bowl was inside the case, and that you were testing how long it took the case heat to cook the rice. It would certainly be a unique way to do thermal testing. Reply
bobbozzo - Thursday, April 25, 2013 - linkMaybe a black bowl would not be so visible?
Thanks for the reviews! Reply
Zap - Thursday, April 25, 2013 - linkAlways good to see smaller-than-ATX cases given some attention. A lot to like about this Corsair case and I think all pertinent points have been made. I will point out, however, that this case seems pretty big for a mATX case. Of course coming from the company that just brought the world the 900D case, to be expected.
I still feel that people aren't "getting" SFF (small form factor). The trend seems to be "how much crazy high end stuff can be built around a small motherboard" and not "how small an overall system can be achieved." Reply
Rolphus - Thursday, April 25, 2013 - linkFor "how small a system can be achieved", you've got Mini-ITX cases. For "how much gaming power can I pack into a box I can reasonably easily carry", I've got mATX ;) Reply
michaelheath - Thursday, April 25, 2013 - linkRolphus, I think you're also missing the point.
First: There are ATX cases that are smaller and more portable than this one. Just because you shaved 3 inches off the bottom of the motherboard doesn't mean you've somehow magically made the whole system lighter, especially if you stuff it full of high end hardware and cooling.
Second: There are mITX cases larger than some mATX cases. The Bit Fenix Prodigy is only marginally smaller than, say, the Fractal Design Mini, which is just silly. This is the reason why I think this case is silly: It's a stupid huge enclosure for a board that's not even a 10" square.
Third: The 350D weighs over 13 pounds *empty*. If you look, you'll find dimensionally smaller full ATX cases that weigh less than that at roughly the same price point.
The assumption made when creating mATX and mITX standards was that people wanted smaller systems. In fact, as devices become more powerful and less power hungry, there's actually *fewer* reasons to design cases like this. As someone looking to build a small, powerful gaming system that I can easily carry, I would't even begin to consider this case. Reply
DanNeely - Thursday, April 25, 2013 - link"As someone looking to build a small, powerful gaming system that I can easily carry, I would't even begin to consider this case."
Nor would Corsair expect you to. Like the other recently reviewed mATX case; this one is targeted at people building high performance systems who've decided they don't need a full ATX board but who have otherwise not changed their building patterns. Just big enough to hold an mATX board cases and just big enough to hold a full ATX board cases (with a full ATX board installed) don't have room for anything beyond a 1x120/140mm closed loop rad. Fitting in 240/280mm rads; never mind the pumps/reservoirs needed for full custom loops needs a few inches of space beyond the minimum required to cram the board in. That's the group this case is aimed at; and it is significantly smaller than what they'd need for an equivalent full ATX system. Reply
michaelheath - Thursday, April 25, 2013 - linkThat logic can easily be defeated with the following statement:
If you don't have enough equipment to fill up the slots of a full ATX board, you probably also don't have enough equipment to warrant water cooling. Reply
DanNeely - Thursday, April 25, 2013 - linkWater cooling is quieter than air cooling whether you have 1 large GPU in your system or 4. Reply
Rolphus - Friday, April 26, 2013 - linkI've got an mATX system with 2 GTX 580s and an overclocked (closed-loop cooled) i5-2500K, and I'm very interested in exploring water cooling for the GPUs. If anything, having a mATX board makes this more relevant as I can't really get enough air between the GPUs to be comfortable. Reply
Rolphus - Friday, April 26, 2013 - linkYou're right, I have missed the point being made. My apologies.
For me, all I care about is something more "portable" than my old Antec P180 (which weighed a ton and didn't easily fit in the boot of my car) so even the larger mATX cases are interesting.
This is why I find the case market fascinating: everyone has their ideals :) Reply
lmcd - Friday, April 26, 2013 - linkHence the SG09 ;) got a 3960X and saving up for a new GFX card for it :D Reply
HisDivineOrder - Friday, April 26, 2013 - linkWhat you are looking for is called a NUC. Intel makes them. Gigabyte makes them. Soon, I suspect all the OEM's will make them. I imagine Corsair or Lian-Li will make a case for one and then the whole thing will explode into a new form factor. Reply
lmcd - Friday, April 26, 2013 - linkLian-Li already seems to, I think. A couple itx cases of theirs designed for specific mobos n'stuff. Reply
just4U - Thursday, April 25, 2013 - linklol..
I was just on the fractal design mini review looking for the name of this case so I could look at leaked photos. As I was browsing down the photo list I caught the anand header with a R.. Was like wait a min.. there's no reveiew up yet. Than refreshed anand and sure enough.. :D
This case is what I want and if you throw in a HX or AX Corsair PSU cable management is going to look so damn good.. (rubbing hands together in glee!) Reply
rwei - Thursday, April 25, 2013 - linkNice bowl! Reply
rhx123 - Thursday, April 25, 2013 - linkDo they have an option for a blank side panel? I'm not a fan of windows really. Reply
Rolphus - Thursday, April 25, 2013 - linkYup, as per the first page of the article - the non-windowed version is even $10 cheaper. Reply
rhx123 - Thursday, April 25, 2013 - linkBah - didn't see that in the specs table - thanks. Reply
thebeastie - Thursday, April 25, 2013 - linkMy ultimate case would only have ONE 5.25 slot, rest 3.5 bays/2.5 bays to lower total height.
And stuff extra long depth as long as it fits a standard single GPU length card. Would be quite a nice small case, considering NOTHiNG like that exists I bet it would sell well. Reply
randomlinh - Thursday, April 25, 2013 - linkThis. It could possibly be done if you move the power supply to the front, and flip the motherboard. But thermal issues might come into play. It would certainly be interesting to see. Alternatively, can we see some new tech in the power supply market to shrink the standard? Reply
plcn - Thursday, April 25, 2013 - linkhave you seen the silverstone sugo? might be right up your alley. not as affordable as this and the fractal mini, but definitely shorter with full length GPU compatibility.
i own the fractal mini and definitely agree it wasn't entirely builder friendly, but the improved looks (i dont like seeing drive bays - who still uses those anyway?) and slightly less noise made it worth it for me. if i had to build a bunch of these though, looks like this corsair is a great way to go! Reply
ghm3 - Thursday, April 25, 2013 - linkI do, I got a 5.25" drive cage to stuff 6 SSDs into my Silverstone TJ08-E. Reply
CrimsonFury - Thursday, May 09, 2013 - linkThere are a few options if you are after a smaller mATX tower.
Lian-Li do a very small matx tower. 1x optical bay, 7x HDD bays PSU is mounted over the motherboard (does limit tower heatsinks, but fits many mid sized heatsinks)
The Silverstone TJ 08-E is another option, it does still have 2x optical bays, but it mounts the PSU up top instead of leaving radiator space, so its quite a bit shorter in height and depth than than the Corsair 350D. Has a 180mm intake and 120mm exhaust (they also do a variant with 2x120mm intake, but I forget the the model name). Still has room for 1x radiator up front is you sacrifice some of the HDD bays. Reply
Gunbuster - Thursday, April 25, 2013 - linkDoes it come with a phantom tea cup like in the main photo? Reply
just4U - Thursday, April 25, 2013 - linkDid you guys notice? Even Dustin's wiring looked a little better. Damn Corsair is GOOD! (lol im kidding Dustin GREAT REVIEW!) I think your Bronze award was a little conservative, did you do that because you thought you might have gotten a little biased? Reply
Rolphus - Thursday, April 25, 2013 - linkThis looks like a lovely case, but I'd have preferred to see it hit with a lot more thermal load in testing. I have a Silverstone TJ-08 with an i5-2500K (at 4GHz), and 2 GTX 580s in SLI. The case (just about) keeps up with that level of load, but I'd be interested in how well the Corsair does with something similar. Reply
scook9 - Thursday, April 25, 2013 - linkGreat review! I have been very excited to see more about this case since the 900D came out. What you really need to do is compare this to the Antec Mini P180. I know it is discontinued but it was easily THE mATX case to build a system in back in its day (my server is still in mine as I grew to full ATX and a 700D). I do not even have a need for this case but want to just get one because haha Reply
mkygod - Thursday, April 25, 2013 - linkThis is what is considered a Micro ATX case now? Good lord. It's actually a bit taller and wider than my Antec P150 full ATX case. Is the size increase the price you pay for having a case that supports water cooling? If that's the case, I want to see Corsair make some cases that aren't designed with watercooling in mind. Reply
antef - Thursday, April 25, 2013 - linkAs I mentioned in the Fractal Design Define Mini review, I completely agree that cases like this should barely be considered "micro"-anything. They could be a lot smaller, and I feel like manufacturers are just afraid to because they think people want bigger everything. Then why even make a MicroATX case? Check out the SilverStone Precision PS07, it's only 14.7" tall, 15.75" deep, and 11.46 lbs. Can hold any size video card, 2 drives without the cage, a ton more with the cage, and plenty of spots for 120mm fans. I don't know why they need to make them any bigger. Reply
Jumpman23 - Thursday, April 25, 2013 - linkDoes the optical bay include a face plate? It breaks the smoothness of the front view without a face plate to sit flush with the front cover. Reply
MadMan007 - Thursday, April 25, 2013 - linkI like this case, the layout and design decisions seem well-thought out and the front is attractive. It still includes 2 5.25" bays for those of us who use optical drives, for those who don't they allow for a radiator or 3.5" drives.
The one shortcoming imo is the limited number of 3.5" bays. The 2.5" bay stack is a neat feature, but since it's completely removable using that space for 3.5" bays (which can obviously hold 2.5" drives as well) would give more options. It would make things very tight near the frint edge of a mATX board but it would still fit. With the low idle power draw of modern systems, using a main PC as file storage and serving makes more sense than it used to. If Corsair came out with an optional 3.5" rack to go where those 2.5" bays are the case would be even more flexible - add one, get 2 more 3.5" bays without blocking the intake fan, add 2 (for 4 drives) for maximum storage. Reply
ushlak.morante - Thursday, April 25, 2013 - linkNot a bad little case, could be a little smaller for me personally but depends on what you are looking for. I do still think that the TJ-08E manages to do pretty much the same job in a smaller space although it could do with a few of the updates that Corsair has used to bring it more up to date. Reply
ezridah - Thursday, April 25, 2013 - linkNice looking case and nice review. It would be nice to see you review the Fractal Design Arc Mini now. And they also came out with the Arc Midi R2 recently. Reply
529th - Thursday, April 25, 2013 - linkwhat the ffffffff is in the reflection of the first pic!? LOL Reply
tnerb - Thursday, April 25, 2013 - linkAre you going to be doing a review of the HAF XB anytime soon? Definitely interested in a CM open-air approach to microATX that's also portable. Reply
Comdrpopnfresh - Thursday, April 25, 2013 - linkdoes it come with the bowl of noodles? Reply
Jambe - Friday, April 26, 2013 - linkIt's 41.6 liters? There are dozens of full-ATX mid-towers smaller than that!
I would not call this "small". Perhaps in comparison to the absolute largest cases available, but those are outliers (and the vast majority of DIYers don't need that space, anyway).
Rosewill's Line-M mATX case (at 27 liters) might constitute "small" but certainly not anything over 40! Yowza.
Anyway, it certainly seems to be a nice case, and the review and photos were thorough as usual. Reply
Jackie60 - Friday, April 26, 2013 - linkIf Anandtech are doing cookery reviews could I please see the rating for the hot and sour soup. Reply
HisDivineOrder - Friday, April 26, 2013 - linkIt's telling in your recounting of past Corsair cases you completely forgot the Obsidian 550D.
I think when I came into this review I expected the 350D to be the 550D except smaller, so imagine my surprise when it was a 650D but smaller. You state it can be used with the H110, but since you did not test it, I wonder if this is true. Corsair states outright that the H110 will not work with the 550D even though it has the 140mm fans at the top (due mostly to the way motherboard heatsinks are often fitted and where the power cables go in at the top). If only you did more than test air cooling...
I also find it interesting you made allowances for this case to be a "water-cooling focused case" and forgave middling air cooling, but with the 550D where there are tons of ATX options for other cases by Corsair if you want air cooling you demanded "great" air-cooling or bust. Curious. Those priorities seem backwards to me.
I can't help thinking you'd be doing us all a big favor in using this case the way it was intended to be used and throwing a microATX motherboard with two GPU's into this case and giving us a real performance test of its cooling rather than a rather fringe case of someone using a mITX instead.
And I look forward to the now inevitable Obsidian 150D mITX case that should come any month now. At least then your mITX motherboard will FINALLY make sense to me when you use it. Reply
DanNeely - Friday, April 26, 2013 - linkIIRC the most recent hardware updates left AT with an mITX board and a full ATX board for case testing. Reply
LoneWolf15 - Friday, April 26, 2013 - linkBeautiful. My only wish is for one more 5.25" (or a 3.5") external bay, which could be done easily. I'd switch from my Corsair 650D in a heartbeat, but I have a DVD-RW, a 5.25" Lamptron fan controller, and a 3.5" multi-memory card reader, and I'd like to keep all three. Reply
Grok42 - Saturday, April 27, 2013 - linkUSB card readers are cheap and way more flexible and usable unless you somehow don't have USB ports close. The only USB device I own is a trackball and a DVD drive that lives in the closet. Despite having almost no need for USB, I have 16 USB ports within 12" of my hands when I'm typing. I can't imagine you don't have at least one. If you don't want an actual USB reader you can get USB converters which are the size of quarters that will convert a card to a USB stick. One of these options should work easily for you. Reply
okron1k - Friday, April 26, 2013 - linki'm curious what you mean by hinged panels? i'm picturing the doors opening similar to the cosmos 2, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Reply
mmenart - Friday, April 26, 2013 - linkIt's pretty heinous that TJ08B-E test results went away with the new test bed. I'd love to see these cases put head-to-head in thermals and noise. Anyone feel like donating to Anandtech? Reply
bmaltz - Saturday, April 27, 2013 - linknice soup bowl... Reply
Grok42 - Saturday, April 27, 2013 - linkThis is one of the better looking cases I've seen recently. I really like how the feet are done and how there is a large gap all the way around the case in the front view that creates a bold shadow line. Really top notch industrial design.
I'm also really excited to see *any* case acknowledge the rising role 2.5" drives will have in the future. At some point the 2.5" magnetic drives will break free of their "laptop drive" stigma and all our drives can be the same 2.5" form factor. Sure you will always be able to get more storage in a 3.5" format at a lower cost per GB but the same was true of 5.25" and double height 3.5" drives and those are all gone. If all the drives where 2.5" and there was an open rail system for drives cases could be so much better.
If they really wanted to push forward they would have dropped all the 5.25" bays. Most computers sold don't include any optical drives anymore. Why are the smallest cases still including bays for 2 of them? I'm not saying no one has a need, but there are a lot who want a case with none and no one is acknowledging this fact and proving products for it. I certainly think the overall sales numbers for this case would have been improved by removing one of the 5.25" bays and having 2 additional internal 3.5" bays. Reply
karasaj - Sunday, April 28, 2013 - linkI might be too late to comment, but please review the Arc Midi R2! Reply
Alvar - Monday, April 29, 2013 - linkThe Obsidian Series 650D is manufactured with strong, stamped steel parts for increased rigidity, and coated in a black textured paint. The front panel features a beautiful black brushed aluminum faceplate to bring a subtle elegance to your next build... more details :- http://tinyurl.com/c5czh4b Reply
BoloMKXXVIII - Monday, April 29, 2013 - linkI think Dustin and the 350D need to get a room. ;-) Reply
CloudFire - Friday, May 03, 2013 - linkI'm still waiting on a mini-itx case from Corsair, this is an excellent offering nontheless but I'm wishing for a case layout similar to the Bitfenix Prodigy (with Corsair quality/style/finish) where the motherboard is laid out flat instead of on its side, that way there is no pressure/sag from gravity on heavy graphic cards. Reply
shadess - Friday, May 17, 2013 - link
http://www.anandtech.com/Show/Index/6917?cPage=6&a... Reply
shadess - Friday, May 17, 2013 - linkhttp://sawater.ucoz.net/ Reply
shadess - Friday, May 17, 2013 - linkshadess. Reply
debellator - Monday, July 22, 2013 - linkGreat review. Case looks really good. Do you think Scythe Grand Kama Cross cooler will fit inside ? Reply
okron1k - Monday, September 16, 2013 - linki love the look of this case, however i think it was a big mistake to not include support for more 3.5" drives. a removable hard drive cage that would sit in the middle between the ssd mounts and the bottom cage would have been perfect. Reply
xslavic - Saturday, April 19, 2014 - linkGreat little case.cant be smaller.Liqtech 240 almost is inside of one 5.25" slots.
3cm between my psu and the edge of the pcb.Just enough to squeeze in that space about 50cfm of cooling from the two front 140mm fans.
What i found usefull is the ppssibilty to remove the 2x3.5" case i use one ssd + 1 wd black 2.5" and thats enough fro me having a separate nas for my content.
Would recommend it if you will pay the 96 eur i paid for it. Reply


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Another dose of stylish inspiration, courtesy of NYFW's street-style pros. This time, we're eying the candy-colored brights dressing up wintry-weather looks: a fuchsia pencil on Anna Wintour, a pair of red pants to counter a cozy, gray fur. Whether you dare to dabble in the ultrabright color matchups or opt for just a splash to dress up your basics, we highly encourage you to peruse the following fabulous looks for cool color inspiration.
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