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Among the many musicians who fought on behalf of the West Memphis Three — a trio of Arkansas men convicted as teenagers in 1993 for a series of child murders they did not commit — was Eddie Vedder. The Pearl Jam frontman was instrumental in raising money and awareness, and thanks in part to his efforts, Damien Echols, Jessie Misskelley Jr. and Jason Baldwin were freed in August 2011 after spending more than 18 years in prison.
In an exclusive video (below), Vedder talks about writing the ukulele ballad 'Satellite,' his contribution to the soundtrack for 'West of Memphis,' a new documentary about the case.
Vedder penned the tune — first heard on his 2011 album 'Ukulele Songs' — for Lorri Davis, a woman who began corresponding with Echols after seeing the 1996 HBO documentary 'Paradise Lost: The Child Murders at Robin Hood Hills.' The two married in 1999, while Echols was still on death row, and Davis spent the next decade working to clear her husband's name. It was an uphill battle, as local authorities had used the trio's interest in heavy metal to concoct a story involving Satanism and ritual killings, but she didn't have to go it alone.
Perhaps because of the metal angle, the case caught the attention of numerous big-name musicians, many of whom appear on the 'West of Memphis' soundtrack. Due out Jan. 15, the album features everyone from punk legend Henry Rollins to country superstar Natalie Maines. Nick Cave and Warren Ellis composed the film's original score, while Johnny Depp — a longtime West Memphis Three supporter who's become close friends with Echols — plays guitar on three tracks, including Marilyn Manson's cover of Carly Simon's 'You're So Vain.'
As Vedder explains, he recorded 'Satellite' years ago, back in the "pre-cell phone" era, and that allowed for the happy accident captured in the track's closing seconds. Watch the video to get the full story — then click here for more information on the film.
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"White monk" searching for self in Buddhism
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In a country where non-Christian religions represent only 1 per cent of the total population, Buddhism is often misunderstood.
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20-year-old Brandon is a self-described, "white monk" living among mostly Vietnamese monks at Bat Nha Buddhist temple – known by its patrons as Prajna Pagoda – in southeast Calgary.
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Two of the biggest names in world football will collide mid-February in one of the most highly anticipated Champions League matchups in recent times. If you guessed Manchester United and Real Madrid, you're only partly right.
In just under two months United manager Sir Alex Ferguson will shake hands with Madrid boss José Mourinho ahead of the first leg of what is easily the most compelling tie to have come out of Thursday's Round of 16 draw in Nyon, Switzerland.
It's not that United and Madrid have a particularly meaningful club-versus-club history; the two matches they contest will have nowhere near the histrionics as, say, the Barcelona-AC Milan series that will also be taking place early in the New Year.
Rather, what makes United-Madrid fascinating is the characters who currently define their respective clubs, and their managers in particular.
When Mourinho arrived in England to coach Chelsea in 2004, and not long after the bombastic press conference in which he referred to himself as the "Special One," he and Ferguson met for a bottle of wine in the Portuguese manager's Stamford Bridge office. Chelsea had just beaten United 1-0, but despite the result, the two men hit it off instantly.
From the outside it looked an awkward relationship.
There was Mourinho, barely into his 40s, good-looking and clever with the press and already successful at his craft, having just won the Champions League with Porto. On the other side of the table was Ferguson, 62 and well on his way to becoming the greatest manager in the history of club football, who, when Mourinho was born, would have been banging in the goals on a frozen pitch at Muirton Park.
In the days after their tête-à-tête, Mourinho, never shy of a camera, gave reporters a glimpse at what the odd couple had discussed in his office.
"We laughed, we joked, we spoke, we drank," he said. "The wine we drank at Stamford Bridge was very bad, and he was complaining about it. He is a wonderful, great manager. I have a lot of respect for the big man. I call him 'boss' because he's (other managers') boss. He's the top man, a really nice person and he deserves to be called the boss."
No doubt Ferguson, whose United side was in somewhat of a down cycle at the time, appreciated the admiration of someone so young and successful — someone he wouldn't necessarily have assumed would not only treat their relationship with such respect, but also go out of his way to nurture a friendship with a more experienced colleague. It was likely a breath of fresh air for the Scot, who had by then gotten used to verbal spats with the likes of Arsene Wenger, Kevin Keegan and Kenny Dalglish.
Just this week Ferguson, lecturing a group of Harvard business students, took the opportunity to express some of his own feelings regarding Mourinho, saying, "He is very intelligent; he has charisma."
He continued, "His players play for him, and he is a good-looking guy... He's got a confidence about himself, saying 'We'll win this' and 'I'm the Special One.' I could never come out and say we're going to win this game. It's maybe a wee bit of my Scottishness."
It's widely believed that Ferguson has handpicked Mourinho to succeed him at United when he retires, which could be as soon as the end of next season. And Mourinho, ever ambitious, probably recognizes that following Ferguson — and trying to emulate even a semblance of his considerable success — would represent one of the toughest, rarest and potentially most gratifying challenges in club management.
But first there are at least two more occasions in which the two will go head to head — on Feb. 13 at the Bernabeu and March 5 at Old Trafford.
Ferguson, for one, is anticipating both the matches and the bottles of wine that will be opened after the final whistle.
"I've not got a great record against José and I need to put that right," he said, adding in a remark on the club's official website that, "I'll need to order some good wine!"
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Nearly two-thirds of the country's corn is in good or excellent condition, slightly improved from last week and markedly better than this same time in 2012.
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Intel Woodcrest, AMD's Opteron and Sun's UltraSparc T1: Server CPU Shoot-outby Johan De Gelas on 6/7/2006 12:00 PM EST
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duploxxx - Monday, June 19, 2006 - link2 weeks have past the way, still no word from anand about the microsoft benches? (i recieved a coment that it should only take 1 week to finish......
reason????? don't make us guess why you don't post these benches Reply
severian64 - Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - linkI've be reading Anandtech articles for a long time and i have to say that this article is so biased that i think it should be retracted. I can't wait for the next pro intel article.
The MySQL and Sun combination attained a result of 712.87 SPECjAppServer2004 JOPS@Standard running a 64-bit version of MySQL 5.0 and SJSAS 9.0 on Sun Microsystems' Sun Fire(TM) X4100 servers powered by Dual-Core AMD Opteron(TM) processors(1). The result demonstrates superb scalability of the whole solution, as compared to the previous result of 266 SPECjAppServer2004 JOPS@Standard that was achieved with Single-Core AMD Opteron processors (2). This solution also demonstrated the best database performance, measured in SPECjAppServer2004 JOPS@Standard per database core (SPECjAppServer2004 JOPS@Standard /DB core), of any competitive submission using less than 20 total cores in database and application tiers. MySQL's SPECjAppServer2004 JOPS@Standard /DB core metric surpassed an Oracle-powered result by over 30 percent (3).
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CUPERTINO, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--June 12, 2006--A popular application server benchmark, featuring a complete open source software stack with MySQL 5.0 database, the Solaris(TM) 10 Operating System, and Sun Java(TM) Systems Application Server 9.0 Platform Edition (Project GlassFish(SM)) has shattered the competition by offering up to 8.6 times lower cost of acquisition than the comparable solution (1,4), according to the benchmark test results published at http://www.spec.org/jAppServer2004/results/jAppSer...">http://www.spec.org/jAppServer2004/results/jAppSer....
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The MySQL and Sun combination attained a result of 712.87 SPECjAppServer2004 JOPS@Standard running a 64-bit version of MySQL 5.0 and SJSAS 9.0 on Sun Microsystems' Sun Fire(TM) X4100 servers powered by Dual-Core AMD Opteron(TM) processors(1). The result demonstrates superb scalability of the whole solution, as compared to the previous result of 266 SPECjAppServer2004 JOPS@Standard that was achieved with Single-Core AMD Opteron processors (2). This solution also demonstrated the best database performance, measured in SPECjAppServer2004 JOPS@Standard per database core (SPECjAppServer2004 JOPS@Standard /DB core), of any competitive submission using less than 20 total cores in database and application tiers. MySQL's SPECjAppServer2004 JOPS@Standard /DB core metric surpassed an Oracle-powered result by over 30 percent (3). Reply
ChuaChua - Saturday, June 10, 2006 - linkI'm confused about the charts.
What are the numbers on the X and Y axes?
JohanAnandtech - Sunday, June 11, 2006 - link"To interpret the graphs below precisely, you must know that the X-axis gives you the number of demanded requests and the Y-axis gives you the actual reply rate of the server. The first points all show the same performance for each server, as each server is capable of responding fast enough. "
JohanAnandtech - Friday, June 09, 2006 - link1. "you use workstaion/budget motherboard against the intel server board. use a sun galaxy or hp proliant. "
No, we do not. We used the MSI K2-102A2M for ALL opteron testing except the one where we tested MySQL with Solaris as the serverworks chipset was not supported by Solaris x86.
Note that this server performed better than the HP DL385, which uses slower memory timings. Using the HP proliant would have resulted in slightly LOWER Opteron numbers not faster!
I don't get that a few people make a big fuzz about the MSI K8N Master2-FAR, as we only use it once, out of necessity as it worked under Solaris. Know that Solaris x86 supports only a limited amount of x86 hardware.
2. About our testing methods: yes, we use our own benchmarks. We'll add some industry standard benchmarks to the mix later. However, Industry benchmarks are what manufacturers optimize for, while our benches come straight out of the realworld, and are what real people are using. The same tests showed the Opteron beating the old Xeon by a pretty big margin, check our previous MySQL results. I don't see why now all of a sudden our tests should be changed
If you feel there are other issues, feel free. I will definitely try to answer any concerns you have. Reply
duploxxx - Friday, June 09, 2006 - linkhmm thx for the reply. thats clear now. seeing all the reactions here on your review.
it seems that the way its build up is far from structured and people do have problems reading it.
you didn't answer my question why some benches are single sock some dual sock... but i quess you are rather busy.
the way you talk as this core is the best thing (not released yet) against a new platform from competition that will be launched at same time... still does make me wonder but anyhow.
your own benchmarks and rather strange OS for benches (with personal tweaking) is still not relevant. Giving results on a far more used platform would be much nicer to compare... but i already have a good idea of the few benches you will be showing in this review on a wintel OS (let's hope i am wrong). youre benches on linux might be straight out of real world, but impossible to verify.
The only comparisson you make are 2 Spec benches and they were probably done also on that nice linux platform.... looking at the figures. but how comes that for one or another reason the opteron is clocked now at 2800 while you have 2400 and 2600 systems?
JohanAnandtech - Friday, June 09, 2006 - linkOk, addressing the other issues:
1. Why no dual socket, quadcore in some benches:
the reason is that with the LAMP tests we ended up with a limit in our httperf benchmark: it couldn't measure anything above more than 3000 req/s for some reason. So there is another bottleneck kicking in. So we avoided the bottleneck for now by not testing with quad core. This was happening on both the Opteron as the Woodcrest system.
2. The Gentoo numbers of the previous review that gained 9-10% was a comparison between 1 Dualcore and two dual single Core CPUS. Note that the same review shows only 38% performance increase from one to two CPUs.
3. A few people try to discredit this review in every way possible, I well aware of that. However, even though these benchmarks can't be repeated by other people for obvious reasons (the databases are not available to the public), the benches are in line with what other people have found.
P. Zaitsev is one of the most respected people when it comes to MySQL performance and is head of performance tuning of MySQL. Reply
ashyanbhog - Monday, June 12, 2006 - link<Quote>The Gentoo numbers of the previous review that gained 9-10% was a comparison between 1 Dualcore and two dual single Core CPUS. Note that the same review shows only 38% performance increase from one to two CPUs.</Quote>
Correct me if I am wrong. Follow the link below to Anandtech's own earlier benchmarks. Goto the last table on the page and check results of "Dual Dual Core 875" and "Dual Opteron 248" from 5 Concurrencies onwards. The increase is slight, but there is definetly no performance degradation. The earlier review too uses Opterons+Linux+MySQL+InnoDB, the same as this setup used. Why do you get totally different results sets this time around?
In the next page of the same review, DB2 shows fanastic gains from 5 Concurrencies onwards when going from Dual Cores to Four Cores. Check the first table under "Benchmarks IBM DB2: Single core versus Dual core". Note results of "Dual Opteron 2.2 hz" and "Dual Dual Core AMD 2.2 Ghz". This too is on linux. DB2 is definetly better suited than MySQL to reflect gains when moving from two core to four core setup.
Was publishing the obviously wrong MySQL results that you got this time necessary?
Despite choosing Gentoo, for the optmization capabaility, you have not chosen to publish the optimizations options used. Gentoo gurus would have verified that the optimizations for each of the processors where fairly chosen. This is not a allegation that you have taken sides, but why hold back some specific info when they are not secretive or proprietery in nature? And yes, I know you have used Gentoo in many previous benchmarks without specifiying the optimizations, but as this review seems to have become conterversial, it will help clear the air a bit. Specifying the options used when you have deviated from the default settings will surely increase credibility of review.articles.
Using a standard, preconfigured and widely available package like Debian, RHEL or SLES in their default settings was another option to ensure a neutral platform.
Cant comment about other parts of the review as I was only interested in the database performance
<Quote>A few people try to discredit this review in every way possible, I well aware of that.</Quote>
Why cant readers of Anandtech question the process used in a review? Afterall its their page views / site visit that brings the ad revenue. Readers tend to have limited time to go thru and comment if they want to. Exaggration may happen when we dont have time to express our doubts in detail. Your comment above was cheap shot.
Still, nice to see that Intel finally has something that can be compared to a Opteron. Good to have a choice, but the 3 year wait was too long.
And thanks for replying about the hardware used. Reply
zsdersw - Monday, June 12, 2006 - link
the 3 year wait was too long.
Apparently you have no idea how long it takes to bring a totally new chip to market. This generally takes approximately 5 years. Reply
BasMSI - Saturday, June 10, 2006 - linkHahahaha, what balony.....
Aceshardware didn't have problem reaching above 8000 requests on the Dual 844 back in 2003.
The article can be found here: http://www.aceshardware.com/read.jsp?id=60000279">>>Click here<<
And you where unable?
Get real.
If you don't know how to setup a server, then stay away from trying to do such. Reply
JohanAnandtech - Saturday, June 10, 2006 - linkThe test you link is running apachebench while testing how fast STATIC html can be sent. Our LAMP test has to run PHP, access the MYSQL database, make calculations on that data ... this called DYNAMIC content.
If you do not understand why a static HTML page can be served many times faster than a complex one with dynamic content, well...
You are basically saying that a test is wrong because it doesn't give the same results as another test which tests with different software, different dataset. Duh.
BasMSI - Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - linkI noticed Johan.
But still, it's stupid to use and publish benchmark results from a test that can't handle/test the systems at their max.
Come on, get real, it's like testing a Lada and a Ferrari on a track that can't do more then 100KM/H and then state, look how well the Lada keeps up with the Ferrari.
Also, what's wrong with static HTML tests?
I see no harm in those, many websites are still static.
And you used them before to show how fast the Opterons where, so why not again?
Now we have absolutly nothing to compare or verify....so bogus test-results.
BrechtKets - Saturday, June 10, 2006 - link
If you don't know how to setup a server, then stay away from trying to do such.
Maybe you should check the author of the aces hardware article.
Also not that those tests were done with apachebench en the tests now have been done with httperf and and autobench... Reply
FreakyD - Friday, June 09, 2006 - linkDell has released some new servers with the new Intel Woodcrest platform. The pricing is less than for the older Netburst architecture servers... It looks like we'll have a price war on our hands, and of course AMD will end up losing that battle since Intel has lower production costs with higher volume.
Also interesting to note, the 3.0Ghz Woodcrest Intel processor that was quite competitive in this review is the lowest end processor on the new Dell servers. Their highest end one is a 3.73 Ghz part. AMD's highest end dual core server processor is currently 2.6 Ghz. So there's additional performance gains for Intel vs AMD in a highest end server processor shootout.
I'm disappointed that AMD hasn't done more since they released the K8 architecture. AMD has also been slow to release their new server platform with Pacifica enhancements.
It's too bad that Dell has taken so long to begin using AMD in servers. They've held the performance lead for quite some time. With technology and market leaders changing so fast, they should have been faster to adjust their product lineup. Reply
duploxxx - Friday, June 09, 2006 - linkduh my dear friend.... the dell servers you are pointing to can be checked where? link?
you are mixing woodcrest that is at max 3000mhz and the dempsey 3.73 both on the same platform. dempsey is still no match for the woodcrest and opterons, so thats normal that the price tag is that low...... and its already dead before it is even launched
check this review, the dempsey is still wiped out on 90% of all the benches by an old architecture and certainly if you would check the power consumption/performance chart.
the proc cost of intel is certainly not lower than the amd ones... looking at the die size the woodcrest and conroe are bigger
@anand, those type of benches would be nice on a woodcrest, if you fail to give them now by "any reason" they will be available in the near future by other reviewers. so its always better to be the first :) Reply
FreakyD - Friday, June 09, 2006 - linkAhh, my mistake, thanks for the correction so nobody else gets the wrong idea. Once again I'm confused by Intel's naming and numbering scheme to not know exactly what's being sold. Reply
Aileur - Thursday, June 08, 2006 - linkThis is a sad sad display. And i dont mean the review, i mean everybody bashing this article and each other like their lives depended on it.
Its a cpu review on a hardware site, try to put it into perspective.
You read it, you draw your own conclusions if you want to, you go on with your life. Reply
ashyanbhog - Friday, June 09, 2006 - linkSure our lives dont depend on it,
but Anandtech was a site you could rely onto get unbiased reviews. I have configured specs for atleast 25 machines based on Anandtech reports. Whenever somebody asked which CPU or someother part was better, I would suggest that they search for its review on Anandtech.
Even in the IDF conroe demo, Anandtech failed to identify some parts of the Intel setup that could have impacted performance, it was only after readers expressed their displeasure that Anandtech did a second review with the updates that should have actually been part of the Intel setup preview
If this new found low of Anandtech continues, I'll have to choose a different site to base my decisions on.
Also remember, Intel has previously used and continues to use Anandtech review of its processors in its analysts meet and at other places. As somebody pointed out, even a $0.15 swing in Intel share prices alters its valuation by one billion dollar!!! Intel could buy a handful of review reports by favoring advertising budgets for a fraction of that money.
Anandtech made my life a little easier by giving unbiased reviews, looks like I'll have to get back to comparing results from a few reviews as I used to do before I discovered Anandtech Reply
Slappi - Thursday, June 08, 2006 - linkThe Message is Clear.......
....Anand is getting paid by the big Intel.
Seriously.... you guys should at least TRY to hide your bias.
I mean months of setting up and you miss a known error that falsely reports extremely low dual OP. numbers?!?
Woodcrest ROCKS?~?~?
Something tells me that is gonna come back to bite you one day in the near future. Reply
AnandThenMan - Thursday, June 08, 2006 - linkwell ya gotta love this statement:
"In one word: Woodcrest rocks!"
That's two words LOL Reply
snorre - Thursday, June 08, 2006 - linkAnandtech is going down the drain, there are no doubts left about it IMHO.
"Woodcrest" may be a nice improvement for Intel, but comparing it to clearly crippled (both software and hardware wise) Opteron systems is pretty lame by any standard.
Remember: Fool us once shame on us, fool us twice shame on YOU!
This is your third strike in my book, so now your officially out in THG hell.
I hope you wake up and smell the coffee soon... Reply
Slappi - Thursday, June 08, 2006 - linkExactly.
I just can't believe what I am seeing here.
This site was once THE HARDWARE SITE for me and I always recommended it to others.
If Intel has a better chip hey that's great! But.... what is with the OBVIOUS underhanded reporting against AMD and for INTEL that has been going on here for the past few months?
It is so blatant here that I am starting to wonder of Intel's new chips are a lot of smoke and mirrors. If it is such a great chip it should speak for itself, not with all this closed testing and crippled AMD machines. Makes me wonder.
You would think after reading all the Anand Intel press that the new CPUs could cure cancer and cook dinner. Reply
duploxxx - Thursday, June 08, 2006 - linki can give 2 pages full of rather strange figures and compares about this review. but i hope you'll bring the readers the windows benches fast and compare with other published benches so everybody can see that the linux optimization can shift wherever you want.
you use workstaion/budget motherboard against the intel server board. use a sun galaxy or hp proliant.
the specint and specfp are not correct, even intel gives way other numbers
some benches are done with one socket others with 2 socket. why?
mysql benches are optimized for two cores thats very clear.. the perfromance drop on opteron is much more the the one on woodcrest. knowing the architecture of the opteron this should be the other way round. the opteron is lacking here due to the motherboard
you can extrapolate it in a different way showing different results, again you use 2 different opterons and use thsi difference to calculate 3.0, both setups are workstation and therefore performance is wrong. some benches you even talk and calculate 2 systems but not showing on the graphs.
your conclusion: is rather funny. you state that the wooodcrest is the best performing server on a platform that has maybe 2% worlwide support with benches that can not be compared to other publication. no linnear powerconsuption with other servers because no exual hardware setup and most systems use 2gb/cpu thats a +28w consumption for the woodcrest.
as stated from line 1 give some real world benches where people can compare with other posted results. Reply
zsdersw - Thursday, June 08, 2006 - link
you use workstaion/budget motherboard against the intel server board. use a sun galaxy or hp proliant.
The MSI K8N Master2-FAR board is a server motherboard. So are the boards in the other two Opteron servers. Reply
MrKaz - Thursday, June 08, 2006 - linkI don't know if you all already have realized but that is what it will look like the 4x4 boards.
And that's NOT a server board, ONLY ONE of the processors is accessing directly to the memory and that must IMPACT the performance.
http://www.msi.com.tw/images/product_img/mbd_img/9...">http://www.msi.com.tw/images/product_img/mbd_img/9... Reply
AnandThenMan - Thursday, June 08, 2006 - linkAnyone that calls that MSI mobo a "server board" is a freakin retard.
As for this "review" it has to be the worst on Anandtech in at least 6 months. Reply
zsdersw - Thursday, June 08, 2006 - link
Anyone that calls that MSI mobo a "server board" is a freakin retard.
I guess MSI themselves must be retards then. Look where it's listed: http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/server/svr/...">http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/server/svr/... Reply
ashyanbhog - Thursday, June 08, 2006 - linkfor those who think MSI board must be good because they list it on their server pages,
Just look at the memeory banks
MSI has a single bank, forcing the 2nd CPU to share the memory channel, reducing memory bandwidth to both CPUs, and increasing memory latencies. They are discarding NUMA capabailities to keep the price at around 250$
Now check Tyan k8we and Supermicro h8dci boards linked below. Notice that they all carry two seperate memory banks, giving each processor its own dedicated bank. This doubles the available memory bandwidth and keeps lantencies low.
Iwill D8kn is another similar board that I can recall. They all recommend that you put atleast on card in each bank in a two processor setup to utilize the extra bandwidth.
But adding this extra bank comes at a cost, all the above boards are priced around $500 mark. Its common knowledge in the AMD community that one needs get the boards with seperate memory banks if on is looking for a high performance machine.
If you still have doubt, check the review on GamePC, linked below. Notice that the Tyan TIGER k8we, (with single memory channel to both CPUs like the MSI board) is beaten in every benchmark by Tyan THUNDER k8we (which has dedicated memory channels for both CPUs)
BasMSI - Friday, June 09, 2006 - linkMSI lists them as Workstation boards, not server boards.
http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/server/svr/...">>>See link<<
They should have used the K8D-Master series, those are server boards and do have NUMA. Reply
zsdersw - Friday, June 09, 2006 - linkIt's under the "Server and Rackmount" section of their website. Reply
zsdersw - Thursday, June 08, 2006 - linkI'm not saying the board is particularly stellar.. I'm saying that it's referred to by MSI as a "server" product. Reply
ashyanbhog - Thursday, June 08, 2006 - linkIrespective of what MSI says,
fact is there were better mainstream boards for Anandtech to choose from if a honest, independent review was their intention
zsdersw - Thursday, June 08, 2006 - linkI.E., your comment belongs under someone else's.. not mine. Reply
zsdersw - Thursday, June 08, 2006 - linkAnd that's completely irrelevant to what I was saying. Reply
ashyanbhog - Thursday, June 08, 2006 - linkall I was saying is, its nice to see Intel finally making a comeback
but Anandtech seems have conducted a skewed benchmark that favours Intel, that unfairly increases the performance gap between Opteron and Woodcrest
In the final summary of the review he says
"In one word: Woodcrest rocks!"
There are quite a few holes in the review, the motherboard is just on of them,
I quoted MySQL number errors in my posts above,
just search for "ashyanbhog" in the page and read my earlier comments if you are interested.
AnandThenMan - Thursday, June 08, 2006 - link
And that's completely irrelevant to what I was saying.
What you're saying in general is irrelevant. Intel calls their integrated graphics "high performance" but that doesn't make it so.
MSI calling that a server board is just marketing, it does not represent what a true, high performance server class mobo is all about. Not that it's a bad piece of hardware, it is good for the price to be sure. But it is NOT a server class product. Reply
zsdersw - Thursday, June 08, 2006 - linkAt a certain price point, it could certainly be a nice entry-level server board.
Performance alone isn't what makes a server-class motherboard a server-class motherboard. Reply
ashyanbhog - Thursday, June 08, 2006 - link
Performance alone isn't what makes a server-class motherboard a server-class motherboard.
One of the motherboards used in this review is a cheap piece that trades performance to keep price low.
Why was that motherboard selected over mainstream server/workstation boards that are proven to offer slightly better performance? Why pick a 250$ MSI board for opteron over $500 boards from Tyan, Iwill, Supermicro or others. The Intel Xeon "Inderwale" gets a $500 board, so price could not have been the issue.
So what's the point in using a Single Channel board for this benchmark, when price was not a limitation?
Single memory channel boards like the one from MSI, are known to offer lower performance than dual / dedicated memory channel boards when used in 2P Opteron configurations. Dual Channel boards are the mainstream boards for 2P Opteron systems. There are plently Server boards available in Dual / dedicated memory lane configuration. There are enough reviews on the net to show the performance diff b/w single memory channel boards and dual memory channel boards
The issue is not about the MSI or its class, the issue is why did Anandtech pick a Single memeory channel board instead of a more mainstream dual memory channel board.
Hope that clears up "zsdersw"'s query Reply
zsdersw - Thursday, June 08, 2006 - linkI'm not making excuses for the choices that were made regarding this comparison test. I'm talking about what constitutes a "server-class" motherboard. Reply
ashyanbhog - Thursday, June 08, 2006 - linkGame PC review link for the above comment
http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=tig...">http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=tig... Reply
Questar - Thursday, June 08, 2006 - linkWhy? Because AMD got creamed? Reply
ashyanbhog - Thursday, June 08, 2006 - linkand Intel woodcrest may have fantastic performance when compared to earlier xeons,
but Intel is 3 years late to the party, Opteron was here in 2003!
also remember, woodcrest is a brand new design from PIII base, manufactured on 65nm process. It is still to make its debut in the market and be available in volumes. Amd its indeed nice to see it being compared to a 3 year old design manufactued on 90nm process.
AMD still has two product launches to come this year. Move to DDR2 for opterons which should cut some power usage for the total system AND introduction of products manufactured on 65nm at the fag end of the year. Will woodcrest and conroe still retain their performance margins then? if not, for how many months or weeks has Intel grabbed this "performance crown"? Reply
zsdersw - Thursday, June 08, 2006 - linkConsider the following:
- If comparisons could be made between new products from both companies (i.e., Woodcrest versus K8L), they would be made. In the game of leapfrog that we have betweeen AMD and Intel, the comparisons will always be between existing tech and new tech. Will you be pointing out how AMD is "late to the party" when they release their new stuff?
- Making its debut and availability in volume is an issue for both AMD and Intel. It's not a valid point unless you make it across the board.
- 65nm will allow clock speeds of Opterons/A64's to increase.. but Conroe/Woodcrest speeds will be increasing as well. Reply
ashyanbhog - Thursday, June 08, 2006 - linknot because AMD got creamed!
a 35 billion$ dollar turnover company (Intel) is bound to make a comeback one day.
it Anandtech's review setup, its full of holes
the mysql benchmark on Dual Dual core opterons where they see a 30% drop against single core dual processor numbers in this becnhmark contradicts their own earlier benchmark where they see a 10% performance increase.
they also use a substandard MSI motherboard in one of the Opteron systems and fail to mention which system was used for the benchmarks
mistakes like this, genuine or intentional, are rife throughout the review report
the whole thing looks like the rig was setup to push the performance diff b/w woodcrest and Opterons to the max,
why would anybody two months to tweak settings before they publish the review! Reply
Questar - Thursday, June 08, 2006 - linkWhy? Because AMD got creamed? Reply
duploxxx - Thursday, June 08, 2006 - linkyeah right its a workstation motherboard it uses an nforce controller so maybe they rate it as server board it still is a budget board used for workstations, not a real server board or server chipset like they used on the intel woodcrest.
check the servers like sun galaxy and hp dl385 they have amd chipsets... big difference.
the nforce has a shared memory bus... Reply
zsdersw - Thursday, June 08, 2006 - linkYeah, that's one of the 3 Opteron servers. At any rate, the MSI board is a basic server board.. it's still a server board. Reply
duploxxx - Thursday, June 08, 2006 - linkyeah they have done 1 real bench with an hp. all other benches were done with the 2 MSI basic boards...
still waiting for the wintel benches Reply
wolaris - Thursday, June 08, 2006 - linkIn corporate environments, no-one with any hardware budget at all runs webserver and database on the same machine, as it hurts both performance and reliability. This affects T1 most, as its low clock speed and simple cores are not meant for database workloads.
I think that you should run web serving tests using common, high-performance Opteron DB server and separate webservers, as it would be the case in real-world scenarios. Reply
MrKaz - Thursday, June 08, 2006 - linkSo Power consuming of the new Intel processor on .65nm at already high clock speed of 3.0Ghz is already consuming more than the older AMD Opteron on .90nm 2.8Ghz and DDR.
When AMD releases socket F will go DDR2 (less power) and better .90nm samples (lower power). So then "new" Intel is already getting beaten...
And those tests where done with Cool&Quite?
Also don't forget this tests where done with Woodcrest 3.0Ghz VS Opteron 2.2Ghz and 2.4Ghz, so when AMD releases the 2.8Ghz and 3.0Ghz with socket F the performance lead of Intel will vanish…
I think the biggest surprise here is how bad Xeon (P4) was (IS!!), and people keep buying it. Reply
rayl - Thursday, June 08, 2006 - link"Best Performance/Watt in the high end "
Which part of performance per watt do you not understand? Do more, pay less. Reply
MrKaz - Thursday, June 08, 2006 - linkDual Opteron 275 HE 2CPU's (275HE) - 4 GB RAM 192 Watts!!!
Dual Opteron 275 2CPU's - 4 GB RAM 239 Watts!!!
Dual Xeon 5160 3 GHz 2 CPU's - 4 GB RAM 245 Watts!!!
Even Intel numbers show Xeon 3.6Ghz on par with AMD (obvious fake)
And the do more pay less, is not like you say on the server market, while your PC is doing lot of work (processing) with a computer game, most servers stand there doing almost nothing. Our servers for example from 0:00 to 8:00 do almost zero. Even in the day they work very little. Our Xeon 2.4 is more than enough, and I think most people think the same. Of course this depends a lot what you do, but this is generic. I think you know why virtualization is very important right? Reply
rayl - Thursday, June 08, 2006 - linkIsn't this obvious to you. Those are power consumption numbers at 100% CPU load. This is where performance/watt number really matters.
If you're running idle, the power saving mode starts kicking in, you'll need a separate table to draw your conclusion.
Why this preoccupation with power consumption? 6-watts for a performance leap; it's moot. Reply
coldpower27 - Thursday, June 08, 2006 - link
It will be interesting to note the Delta difference between 1 Woodcrest 5160 and 2 is 59W as reported by TechReport, and since the TDP for Woodcrest 5160 is 80W TDP we can extrapolate and since the TDP for Woodcrest 5148 is 40W I can expect it to spew about 30W per processor.
245W - (2x29W) = 187W
This bring the Low Power Woodcrest system to ~ the same power usage as the HE Opteron 275's even with the heat spewing FB-DIMM's with higher performance per watt, pretty impressive. Reply
Questar - Thursday, June 08, 2006 - linkYeah I'm worried about those six watts of power when I'm getting twice the performace. Reply
fikimiki - Thursday, June 08, 2006 - linkYou forgot about Intel chipset consumption - 22 Watts.
So Intel has 245+22=267 vs. 192 and even if you are running in power-saving mode, chipset is running all the time... Reply
coldpower27 - Thursday, June 08, 2006 - linkNo Wrong, they measured the system power consumption hence why the Woodcrests systems are so hungry in comparison to the Opteron the FB-DIMM's are what eating away at the wattage.
So in the end it's 223 + 22 = 245, if indeed the chipset is consuming 22W. Reply
Questar - Thursday, June 08, 2006 - linkThat was system power consumption - it included the chipset dufus. Reply
Saist - Wednesday, June 07, 2006 - linkI amd going to make the argument that evaluating only one version of Linux in this type of situation is not a good idea in and of itself. Not to knock Gentoo directly, it is a fine distro to itself, but it has a very small slice of the Linux market. It would have made more sense for Anandtech to have benchmarked using other distrobution types for a couple of reasons.
The first reason is the ability to duplicate the tests. This is actually a strike against Gentoo for what the operating system is. While it possible to duplicate an installation of Gentoo and the applications used, generating an exact copy of the exact configuration used without clear description of the compile targets used is very hard. This means that anybody wishing to reproduce these results on their own will be very hard-pressed to do so.
The second reason is commercial and residential use. Gentoo has it's market, that market just isn't very widespread. It would have made more sense for Anandtech to have tested a RPM based distro such as Mandriva, RedHat, Fedora Core, Novell Suse, or OpenSuse against a .deb based distro such as Debian(sid), Ubuntu, Mepis, or Xandros. The reason why it would have made more sense is that .deb and .rpm distros are actually used in the commercial and residential spheres, and used in great quantities. Had Anandtech used a distrobution that is in active use it would mean more to buyers currently looking to replace their Windows computers with a new system.
It would only be in the interests in providing a point of perspective that one would test a different type of Linux distrobution like Gentoo or Slackware.
Going back to the first point, had Anandtech benchmarked these on a Debian based system it would be fairly easy to duplicate the tests. Anandtech would just need to list the base version of the Debian distro they used, list the apt-repositories they pulled from, and the application in apt that were pulled. Anybody else who comes along afterwords with a Debian based distro would easily be able to duplicate the steps and the benchmarks.
The overall point is that while it is nice to see a non-dedicated Linux site approaching hardware, this isn't the way to approach it. As it stands now, the Anandtech tests are useless, reguardless of whatever results the benchmarks returned. Reply
BasMSI - Thursday, June 08, 2006 - linkThese tests are also 100% useless.....
The MSI K2-102 is numa aware....
But for some reason the K8N-Master isn't shown in the graphs....that board is NOT NUMA aware.
I'm also missing the HP server everywhere in the graphs.
I realy believe all these tests are done on the K8N-Master board for all Opteron tests.
No way the graphs are showing all the systems.
These tests are a total fraude, letting us believe Intel all of a sudden became that fast.
No way on earth I believe any of these results.
Also, why using Gentoo? Why not Debian 64bit?
This puzzles me, as Gentoo is compiled but not known to be faster on every system.
Why not using precompiled Linuxes? Like Debian 64bit....that one is stable as hell and incredible fast!
Too much parameters missing here to get any judgement at all.
Do it better, this is 100% rubbish.
JohanAnandtech - Thursday, June 08, 2006 - linkI should have mentioned this: most of the tests have also been done on SUSE linux SLES9. The reason why we use Gentoo is that we are able to use the latest kernel and to tune the kernel specifically for the AMD or Intel architecture.
With SUSE Enterprise you need to wait for SUSE to use a new kernel. Your suggestion is noted, and from now on I will include the SUSE SLES numbers too.
But to call our numbers useless, well that is a heavy exageration. There was about 1-2% difference between running on Gentoo than on SUSE. It is only natural: they both use more or less the same kernel, only the tools are different. Reply
ashyanbhog - Thursday, June 08, 2006 - link"Two months of testing and tweaking"
so thats the time you took to make sure you could say
"In one word: Woodcrest rocks!"
and suprisingly your emotions were quite tepid when AMD processors where showing similar performance advantages over Intel processors earlier!
http://www.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.aspx?i=2447&am...">http://www.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.aspx?i=2447&am... Reply
ashyanbhog - Thursday, June 08, 2006 - linkWhat 1-2% difference b/w SLES and Gentoo are you talking about? Anand's own earlier benchmarks show SLES performance as 9-17% better than than Gentoo!
If you have specifically used Gentoo for the optimization options that it provides, why didn't you list the specific compile time optimizations for Intel and AMD that were finally used to run the benchmarks? The purpose of a independent benchmark is to ensure a setup that is neutral and verifiable by any third party using similar hardware and software. Does your review report provide the info necessary for the same?
Your earlier benchmarks using Linux + DB2 show dual dual core opterons gaining 50% - 80% improvement over dual single core opteron when more than 5 threads come into picture, and a mere 1% to 2% gain in case of one or two threads. Okay, I know DB2 was not part of this benchmarks this around, but shoudn't these figures have setoff enough alarm bells to force inclusion of something other than MySQL for database benchmarks?
Even MySQL on gentoo shows a modest 10% to 17% gain with concurrency numbers from 5 and higher in Sinle Core + Dual CPU vs Dual Core + Dual CPU. Strange that Linux and MySQL misbehave on Opteron this time and show a 10% performance degradation! You deserve a award for this! How can somebody contradict their own earlier benchmarks?
The MSI motherboard you used for the benchmarks has only a single channel to the memory bank for both the processors, a comprise made to cut its price and compete in the lowest market segment for 2P Opteron boards. A major design feature of the Opteron is its ability to use seperate memory channels for each procesor giving it NUMA capabilities, and dedicated memory lanes also cut lantencies when accessing the memory. Did you specifically choose this motherboard to negate opterons advantage? The Intel board used for "Irwindale" retails for around $500, the price for one used for woodcrest is not known, the MSI board is available for $250, so even the price range is different! "relatively cheap workstation board" as you noted in your earlier benchmarks. Were Tyan K8WE, ASUS K8N-DL, Supermicro H8DCi or the Iwill DK8EW that are more popular, so hard to come by? Also you dont specify which of the three opteron systems was used for which benchmark, or was it a average of three. The extreme attention to details usually found at Anand is suprisingly lacking for this review
Arent temprature readings also important, specially for a new xeon chip, as earlier ones had forced admins to double their AC capacities and discard covers of rack cabinets for better cooling.
Its good to know Intel is back on track, but this review seems to have only one purpose - Show woodcrest in favorable light against opterons. Reply
rayl - Wednesday, June 07, 2006 - linkIt doesn't take a server to compute that "Woodcrest rocks" = 2 words. :p Reply
merlinm - Wednesday, June 07, 2006 - linkwhere are the postgresql quad core benchmarks? My experience is that 2-4 cores on postgresql gives you 1.7x the power on non i/o constrained databases. This would have been a huge upset to have PostgreSQL blow out mysql in a quad core configuration.
also a postgresql.conf containing non-default values would have been nice. Reply
blackbrrd - Wednesday, June 07, 2006 - linkWhere does it say they are using the default postgresql.conf? Actually I can't find any information on what kind of tweaking that has been done here at all?
Is there any special reason for only running postgresql on a single cpu instead of a dual dual core setup like you did for the rest of the tests? There are no commends about it on http://www.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.aspx?i=2772&am...">page 9 atleast... Reply
merlinm - Wednesday, June 07, 2006 - linkright...what I meant was, could you please supply .conf entries which where edited and changed from the stock configuration. Actually, for this type of benchmark (90% read), there's not a whole lot to change in postgresql.conf...generally the more writes there are the more you have to tweak.
the major tweak in postgresql is to use prepared statements over the parameterized interface...
merlinm - Wednesday, June 07, 2006 - linkoh, and postgresql 8.1 is about 20+% faster than 8.0 in most read operations involving very small (one statement) transactions. Reply
squash - Wednesday, June 07, 2006 - linkHello,
With the recent "official" support in Ubuntu for that Niagra server, would it be possible to also include performance numbers for that server running Linux?
I have seen other benchmarks showing Linux to have improved performance on the same hardware compared to Solaris. Filesystem performance is typically much higher in ext2 vs ufs+logging, and if you scan Sun's issue tracking database, there are many entries for libc and kernel operations which are much slower than Linux.
Maybe as a seperate article....
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OddTSi - Wednesday, June 07, 2006 - linkThe Verify/s graph (the last one on the page) doesn't have a line for the Dual Opteron yet the author still claims "Again, the Opteron takes the lead." Does the Dual Opteron take the lead and there was just an error in showing up on the graph?
Also in the signs/s chart the Dual Woodcrest tops out at just over 6,000 and the Dual Opteron tops out at just over 5,000, which is a 20% lead, yet the author writes "The Opteron at 2.4 GHz has no trouble keeping up with the 3 GHz Woodcrest." I'm not trying to be a nitpicky fanboy here but being beaten by 20% isn't "keeping up," at least not in my defition of the expression.
Finally, I have a question. Why are there no Windows-based tests? I know that LAMP is very popular in the webserving part of the server world but in most other server/enterprise areas it's mostly Windows, SQL Server, Visual Studio, .NET, etc. I'd like to see some benchmarks that use software that those of us in the non-webserving community are most likely to use. I know there's no chance of running the UltraSPARC in a Windows configuration but quite frankly who cares. I would like to see which of the x86 offerings (which is FAR more likely to be used) is better. Reply
JohanAnandtech - Wednesday, June 07, 2006 - linkRunning 4 threads of SSL on 8 core Opteron gives you almost exactly the same scores as 4 threads on a 4 core Opteron. The 2.2 GHz DC Opteron runs at almost exactly the same speed as the 3 GHz woodcrest (that is why you can almost not see it), the 2.4 GHz is clearly in the lead.
Sign/s: the 2.4 GHz Opteron is keeping up.
Windows tests: see Jason Clark :-). At the end of this week, Jason will present the Windows based ones. Reply
hondaman - Wednesday, June 07, 2006 - linkIs gentoo using 64 bit? Reply
JohanAnandtech - Wednesday, June 07, 2006 - linkYes. Added that to the configuration page. Thx. Reply
vortmax - Wednesday, June 07, 2006 - linkCan't keep a company the size of Intel with all it's resources down for too long. They came back and came back hard. I'm sure AMD was expecting this and I'm guessing they have some kind of contingency plan to counter. It might not be this year, but I would expect that in Q1 of 07, they will have some big announcements.
Competition is a good thing. Reply
stmok - Wednesday, June 07, 2006 - linkYeah, the contingency plan is called K8L. ;-) Reply
Questar - Wednesday, June 07, 2006 - linkSo much for the fanboys saying the FSB would cripple Woodcrest. Reply
DigitalFreak - Wednesday, June 07, 2006 - linkWoodcrest, maybe. It will be interesting to see how the quad processor version does. Reply
eRacer - Wednesday, June 07, 2006 - linkA typo in the conclusion...under AMD Opteron disadvantages:
- DDR2 offers lower latency, less power and less cost (for now)
should be an advantage Reply
vijay333 - Wednesday, June 07, 2006 - linki think AT is correct - unless i'm mistaken, opterons don't support DDR2, so they don't have the benefits of DDR2 (lower latency etc) Reply
eRacer - Wednesday, June 07, 2006 - link
i think AT is correct - unless i'm mistaken, opterons don't support DDR2, so they don't have the benefits of DDR2 (lower latency etc)
Oops, you are probably correct. I was thinking ahead to rev. F Opteron. Reply
blackbrrd - Wednesday, June 07, 2006 - linkFinally Intel can give AMD some real competition in the two socket server market. This shows why Dell only wanted to go with AMD for 4S and not 2S server systems...
245w vs 374w and a huge performance lead over the previous Intel generation is a huge leap for Intel.
It will be interesting to see how much these systems are going to cost:
1) is the fb-dimm's gonna be expensive?
2) is the cpu's gonna be expensive?
3) is the motherboards gonna be expensive?
For AMD neither the ram nor the motherboards are expensive, so I am curious how this goes..
If anybody thinks I am an Intel fanboy, I have bought in this sequence: intel amd intel intel, and I would have gotten and amd instead of an intel for the last computer, except I wanted a laptop ;) Reply
JarredWalton - Wednesday, June 07, 2006 - linkFor enterprise servers, price isn't usually a critical concern. You often buy what runs your company best, though of course there are plenty of corporations that basically say "Buy the fastest Dell" and leave it at that.
FB-DIMMs should cost slightly more than registered DDR2, but not a huge difference. The CPUs should actually be pretty reasonably priced, at least for the standard models. (There will certainly be models with lots of L3 cache that will cost an arm and a leg, but that's a different target market.)
Motherboards for 2S/4S are always pretty expensive - especially 4S. I would guess Intel's boards will be a bit more expensive than equivalent AMD boards on average, but nothing critical. (Note the "equivalent" - comparing boards with integrated SCSI and 16 DIMM slots to boards that have 6 DIMM slots is not fair, right?)
Most companies will just get complete systems anyway, so the individual component costs are only a factor for small businesses that want to take the time to build and support their own hardware. Reply
blackbrrd - Wednesday, June 07, 2006 - linkRegistered DDR2 is dirt cheap, so if FB-DIMMs are only slightly more expensive thats really good.
About compareing 6 DIMM slot and 16 DIMM slot motherboards, I agree, you can't do it. The number of banks is also important, we have a motherboard at work with 8 ranks and 6 DIMM slots, so only two of the slots can be filled with the cheapest 2gb dual rank memory. Currently 2gb single ranks modules are 50% more expensive than dual rank modules.
Which brings another question.. Does FB-DIMM have the same "problem" with rank limit in addition to slot limit? Or does the FB part take care of that? Reply
BaronMatrix - Wednesday, June 07, 2006 - linkwhy are we running servers with only 4GB RAM. I have that in my desktop. Not ot nitpick but I think you shuld load up 16GB and rerun the tests. If not this is a low end test, not HPC. I saw the last Apache comparison and it seems like the benchmark is different. Opteron was winning by 200-400% in those tests. What happened? Reply
JohanAnandtech - Wednesday, June 07, 2006 - linkFeel free to send me 12 GB of FBDIMMs. And it sure isn't a HPC test, it is a server test.
"I saw the last Apache comparison and it seems like the benchmark is different. Opteron was winning by 200-400% in those tests. What happened? "
A new Intel architecture called "Core" was introduced :-) Reply
BaronMatrix - Wednesday, June 07, 2006 - linkI didn't say the scores, I said the units in the benchmark. I'm not attacking you. It just stuck out in my head that the units didn't seem to be the same as the last test with Paxville. By saying HPC, I mean apps that use 16GB RAM, like Apache/Linux/Solaris. I'm not saying you purposely couldn't get 12 more GB of RAM but all things being equal 16GB would be a better config for both systems.
I've been looking for that article but couldn't find it. Reply
JohanAnandtech - Wednesday, June 07, 2006 - linkNo problem. Point is your feedback is rather unclear. AFAIK, I haven't tested with Paxville. Maybe you are referring to my T2000 review, where we used a different LAMP test, as I explained in this article. In this article the LAMP server has a lot more PHP and MySQL work.
See the first paragraph
And the 4 GB was simply a matter of the fact that Woodcrest had 4 GB of FB DIMM.
JarredWalton - Wednesday, June 07, 2006 - linkMost HPC usage models don't depend on massive amounts of RAM, but rather on data that can be broken down into massively parallel chunks. IBM's BlueGene for example only has 256MB (maybe 512MB?) of RAM per node. When I think of HPC, that's what comes to mind, not 4-way to 16-way servers.
The amount of memory used in these benchmarks is reasonable, since more RAM only really matters if you have data sets that are too large to fit with the memory. Since our server data sets are (I believe) around 1-2GB, having more than 4GB of RAM won't help matters. Database servers are generally designed to having enough RAM to fit the vast majority of the database into memory, at least where possible.
If we had 10-14GB databases, we would likely get lower results (more RAM = higher latency among other things), but the fundamental differences between platforms shouldn't change by more than 10%, and probably closer to 5%. Running larger databases with less memory would alter the benchmarks to the point where they would largely be stressing the I/O of the system - meaning the HDD array. Since HDDs are so much slower than RAM (even 15K SCSI models), enterprise servers try to keep as much of the regularly accessed data in memory as possible.
As for the Paxville article, click on the "IT Computing" link at the top of the website. Paxville is the second article in that list (and it was also linked once or twice within this article). Or http://www.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.aspx?i=2745">here's the direct link. Reply
BaronMatrix - Wednesday, June 07, 2006 - linkThx for the link, but the test I was looking at was Apache and showed concurrency tests. At any rate, just don't think I was attacking you. I was curious as to the change in units I noticed. Reply
MrKaz - Wednesday, June 07, 2006 - linkHow much will it cost?
If Conroe XE 2.9Ghz is 1000$.
Then I assume that this will cost more.
I think looks good, but it will depends a lot of the final price.
Also does that FBdimm have a premium price over the regular ones? Reply
zsdersw - Wednesday, June 07, 2006 - linkUmm.. no. Woodcrests won't cost $1000. Xeons have always cost less than the EE chips. Reply


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About 100 extra officers are patrolling the streets of Colchester every day in a bid to reassure the public.
It is also in response to the murder of Jim Attfield - the 33-year-old father-of-five who was found stabbed 102 times near to Lower Castle Park on March 29.
Det Chief Insp Steve Worron, head the Serious Crime Directorate for Kent and Essex, revealed extra resources have been found so the patrols can continue for the coming weeks.
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Human Resources IT Transformation (HR ITT) leads the governmentwide transformation of HR Information Technology by focusing on modernization, consolidation, integration, and performance assessment. It manages the Human Resources Line of Business (HR LOB) initiative through active collaboration with agencies and service providers and focuses on improving the strategic management of human resources by:
The HR LOB common solution takes a phased approach to delivering HR services through shared service centers based on a common, reusable architecture that leverages open architecture concepts. These solutions will enable the federal government to standardize HR business functions and processes, as well as the systems that support them. The HR LOB common solution will enable a shift in emphasis within the agencies from administrative processing to customer service and strategic planning.
The shared service center approach is designed to encourage competition among federal and private sector providers, and to maximize private sector involvement; this competition, in turn, should result in improved quality, efficiency and customer satisfaction. Economies of scale will help reduce costs and improve efficiencies. A focus on performance results will improve quality and customer satisfaction.
The overall vision of the HR LOB is governmentwide, modern, cost-effective, standardized, and interoperable HR solutions providing common, core functionality to support the strategic management of human capital and addressing duplicative HR systems and processes across the federal government.
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Q: My daughter has "exercise asthma." Is that the same thing as asthma?
A: It's the time of the year when cold-weather sports are underway. As we get closer to winter, the cold air may scare away the summer exercise crowd, but activities such as curling, hockey, skating and skiing can be fun and great for fitness. However, what happens if motivation is not the issue, but breathing in cold air is very uncomfortable? For some individuals, this is the time of year when exercise-induced asthma becomes a problem.
What is exercise-induced asthma?
Exercise-induced asthma is a condition where you have difficulty getting the air out of your lungs during or following vigorous exercise. The condition is a transient (not permanent) one where the resistance in your airways increases. Approximately three to 10 per cent of the general population suffers from exercise-induced asthma.
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There is a difference between these two conditions. You can have exercise-induced asthma without having asthma. While 90 per cent of those with asthma also have exercise-induced asthma, their condition is affected by many other things other than exercise.
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Common symptoms include coughing, wheezing, shortness of breath or chest discomfort with exercise. These may occur in the period immediately after exercise, as well. These symptoms are often worse in cold, dry environments. This is why many individuals notice their symptoms more in the winter or during winter sports. The teenage years are often when exercise-induced asthma becomes noticeable. Denial of symptoms is common in young people because of embarrassment, peer pressure or fear of losing their place on a sport team. Some children may complain of not being able to keep up with their peers in sports. Symptoms usually improve within 20 to 60 minutes of exercise. Symptoms can also be made worse by cigarette smoke, colds and allergies.
Making a diagnosis
It is difficult to diagnose exercise-induced asthma on the basis of a physical examination because the exam is usually normal when the individual sees their physician. This makes the history of the problem very important. There are special lung tests that can be ordered by your physician. These are best done just before, during and after exercise to look for any sign of difficulty you're having with getting the air out of your lungs. When the tests are done without you doing any exercise, they are often normal.
How to treat and prepare for exercise
There are special inhalers and pill-form medications that are very important and helpful in treating exercise-induced asthma. Discuss these with your physician. It is also important that you do at least 15 minutes of warm-up at low intensity followed by a 15-minute rest before you do your actual exercise session. Many individuals will experience an improvement in their symptoms by doing this warm-up program. A gradual cool-down can also reduce post-exercise symptoms. Breathing warm, humid air may also improve symptoms and wearing a facemask can help accomplish this. Occasionally, extreme cold weather and respiratory-tract infections may lead to a cancellation of your workout. Otherwise, once your exercise-induced asthma is treated successfully, there are no physical restrictions. Enjoy the winter air and all your favourite activities.
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When contemporary singer and songwriter Michael W. Smith takes the stage at E.J. Thomas Hall on March 8, he will be joined by the school choirs at the Cuyahoga Valley Christian Academy in Cuyahoga Falls.
In addition, the CVCA Royal Ringers handbell choir will perform before the concert in a preshow that starts at 7 p.m. The event is to raise money for the school's fine arts department.
Choir director Jennifer Moore said that she first approached Smith's contacts about doing a concert about a year ago. When she didn't hear back at first, Moore said she had dismissed the idea. Then in November, she got a reply.
"It was one sentence," she said. "'You are confirmed for March 8.'"
The choirs have been rehearsing since then, and are scheduled to perform five songs with Smith, Moore said.
"I'm a big fan [of Smith,]" Moore said. "I'm so excited. I told my students in my 22 years, this is the biggest thing I've done. There will be 160 kids singing with him."
Moore said the March 8 date also holds another significance for the school, although she wasn't aware of it at first: March 8 marks the 45th anniversary of the school.
Tickets are still available, Moore said, adding that "we will have at least a thousand people there."
Tickets are $25 for balcony, $35 for grand tier and $60 for front row. For tickets or information, call the school at 330-929-0575, or visit cvcaroyals.org, or call E.J. Thomas at 330-972-7570, or visit www.ejthomashall.com.
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AN AWARD-winning East Lancashire IT specialist has announced a major expansion without having to move.
Holker Network Solutions, based in Colne, is spending upwards of £60,000 on the ambitious scheme to treble the size of its operation.
The firm won the Lancashire Telegraph small business of the year last November.
Work on the project to take over the entire downstairs of the Holker Business Centre — the firm's home since conception three years ago — is set to be completed by mid-March.
It will provide the enterprising young firm with dedicated engineering and sales areas, meeting, training and conference rooms, an open plan office, a loading bay and stores.
"We originally hoped to expand in 2014 but an increase in business means we have brought everything forward a year," said 30-year-old managing director Matthew Metcalfe, who founded Holker Network Solutions with an additional site in Burnley, three years ago. The firm has increased annual profits tenfold in the past year and recently invested in a state-of-the-art data security system christened 'The Holk'.
"These are exciting times for us and we are immensely proud of our on-going progress and development.
"The new set-up will take us to a new level and increase our overall efficiency and levels of client care.
"To be able to do all of that and still stay within our 'home' environment is even more pleasing."
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