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NVIDIA GeForce GTX 280 Pipeline Updateby Derek Wilson on 6/18/2008 12:00 AM EST
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IntelUser2000 - Saturday, June 21, 2008 - linkWell for one thing, Intel has far more documents than AMD/ATI/Nvidia in documenting various parts of their hardware. It's almost impossible to find exact current usage and TDP on chipsets for ATI/Nvidia.
To all its own. Reply
Denis Riedijk - Thursday, June 19, 2008 - linkThere are indeed 8192 (or 16384) registers per multiprocessor. So they are shared by all the warps running on that multiprocessor. Now comes an interesting part. Say you can have 10 warps (320 threads) running on a multiprocessor, and you have 2 warps per block (64 threads). Then you have 5 blocks per MP. And when a block is finished, it gets quickly replaced by the next block that needs to run.
So the scheduler is constantly juggling threads around to keep the ALU's busy, and when a et of warps is done, it quickly fetches the next set to keep everything nice & warm.
Some tests done by people on the CUDA forums have indicated that this bringing in of new blocks is happening very fast indeed. Reply
soloman02 - Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - linkAs a ASEET degree holder and a BSEE student, I love these technical articles, even if programming isn't my thing. I used to go to toms hardware, but their articles no longer include the technical stuff that makes us EE's, CE's, and other geeks all warm and fuzzy inside. So I come to Anand now.
So keep up the good work, and don't sellout like toms hardware did. Reply
Ztx - Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - link"Some of us enjoy the technical stuff even if we don't fully understand it,"
Yup, and we sometimes learn something geeky from them:)
I agree with them, keep writing the articles Derek they are VERY informative! :D
Aileur - Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - linkIm not so sure where you get your register count from.
It is explicited in the cuda programming guide at 8192 per multiprocessor.
As for the last comment about nvidia opening up, pretty much all the needed info to make the most of out the hardware is present in the programming guide.
nVidia also has a visual profiler that runs your code and profiles your occupancy and memory transactions (which are most of the time the bottleneck in kernels) Reply
Aileur - Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - linkOh and the way to hide latency is not to use more registers (as you seem to have hinted at), but to use less. Since the number of registers is fixed per MP, the less you use, the more blocks can run on a given MP.
When you have more blocks running, you can hide the latency better since you have a bigger pool a blocks to pick from.
Or maybe we dont have the same definition of "register space". You might be refering to occupancy, or number of active warps. Reply
DerekWilson - Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - linkyeah, sorry, the register space bit was something i forgot to put in in originally and the update was a text message i sent to anand -- we got our lines crossed and it should have read as it reads now.
which is to say that using 25% or less of your register space will help hide latency.
on your original comment, the 8k registers are not registers physically available hardware resources. developers can use that many in software, but i can guarantee that they'll be optimized out in compilers/assemblers and swapped into and out of memory when physical register space runs low.
the comment in the thread really does suggest that the 42 registers make up 25% of the physical register file on G80. i suppose i could have misunderstood or harris could have been representing things wrong ... Reply
Aileur - Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - linkI dont know... it was always my understanding (from developing cuda software) that there were 8192 registers per MP. That does sound like a ridiculously huge number of registers though.
That number is the base with which it is possible to calculate the maximum number of threads in a thread block. The nvcc compiler can be asked to create a "cubin" file in which the number of registers needed by a kernel (per thread) is displayed. 8192/that number = the maximum number of threads that ca be in a thread block. Exceed that number and the kernel will not launch and a cuda exception "invalid launch parameters" will be raised.
Page 63 of the cuda programming guide for cuda beta 2.0 gives a similar equation.
Maybe youre right and there is some swapping magic occuring down the line, but it is not how i understood it. Reply
Aileur - Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - linkSorry for replying to myself again!
in http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=66238...">http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=66238...
if, as he says, you use 64 theads in a block, with 42 regs per thread, and that this number represents 25% of the total register space, that amount to (64*42)/0.25=~10000.
not 8192, but still of the same magnitude.
DerekWilson - Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - linkno problem at all ... reply to yourself all you want :-)
and that's an interesting point ... i was thinking register space per thread, but i was even going on about how context is per warp myself which would put register space defined per warp rather than per thread anyway -- it makes sense that threads in a warp would share register space.
if you multiply my number by 64 you get yours ... which makes sense as he was talking about 64 thread blocks ...
and super insane numbers of registers does make sense when realizing that register space is defined per warp too ...
my numbers should still be right on a per thread basis though ...
i have to finish reading through the cuda manuals and guides and see if i can't start talking to nvidia tech support rather than PR :-) Reply
Aileur - Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - linkI have found the cuda forums to be a great place to learn.
Many of the contributors that wrote the programs in the SDK participate on the forums and id like to think they know their stuff!
As for registers per thread. If we accept there are 8192 threads available per multiprocessor, and if we want to run at least one full warp of 32 threads, that would put the maximum of registers per thread to 256. I guess we could run only 1 thread and have a full 8192 registers to a thread but that would obviously be completly useless.
I guess what im saying is that i dont think there is a "register per threads" value. There is a registers per multiprocessor fixed (per card) value and your launch configuration decides how many registers a kernel can hope to be able to use. On the other hand, a given kernel knows how many register it needs (and unlike general purpose cpus, it NEEDS those registers as there is no cachine mechanism), so you have to generate a launch configuration that agrees with this value.
Hope to see you on the cuda forums soon! Reply
jibbo79 - Thursday, June 19, 2008 - linkAnyone with interest in these specs should read the CUDA Programming Guide doc.
For devices with compute capability 1.0 (eg GeForce 8800)
- The maximum number of threads per block is 512
- The number of registers per multiprocessor is 8192
- The maximum number of active blocks per multiprocessor is 8
- The maximum number of active warps per multiprocessor is 24
- The maximum number of active threads per multiprocessor is 768
For devices with compute capability 1.2 (eg GeForce GTX 280/260)
- The maximum number of threads per block is 512
- The number of registers per multiprocessor is 16384
- The maximum number of active blocks per multiprocessor is 8
- The maximum number of active warps per multiprocessor is 32
- The maximum number of active threads per multiprocessor is 1024
Denis Riedijk - Thursday, June 19, 2008 - linkGTX260 & 280 are compute capability 1.3 actually, but the numbers are correct. Reply
jibbo79 - Thursday, June 19, 2008 - linkYes, but 1.3 only adds double precision and is completely unrelated to register counts. Reply
Denis Riedijk - Friday, June 20, 2008 - linkWhen receiving the card my first impression was that they doubled the registercount because of double support since it takes 2 registers per double. But since there was apparently a (internal?) separate compute capability it might indeed be unrelated. Reply
Zak - Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - link"Some of us enjoy the technical stuff even if we don't fully understand it,"
Yup, and we sometimes learn something geeky from them:)
Z. Reply
SiliconDoc - Monday, July 28, 2008 - linkYes, and some of us can't help thinking with a bad attitude, "The b****rds, they're always holding back, making it all harder than it should be, the proprietary/patent prenatalist protectors". Reply
Gannon - Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - linkSome of us enjoy the technical stuff even if we don't fully understand it, I think it would be great if one could link to articles / books / references on the web that would enable one to look into it on ones own time and understand it.
I know reading you articles I come across terms and I think "If only I had link to look further into this".
No doubt on a GPU most people are interested in gaming performance and whether it's worth their $ that's what the majority of the market wants to know.
Most people do not have an interest in technical minutae, the care as much about GPU design or architecture as they do what kind of butter knife they use. They don't care about how the knife was made all they want to know is: Does it get the job done at the price that is affordable? Reply
skiboysteve - Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - linkgood book over the stuff from a microprocessor architecture class
http://www.amazon.com/Logic-Computer-Design-Fundam...">http://www.amazon.com/Logic-Computer-De...;s=books... Reply
DerekWilson - Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - linkthe book ...
that's where it's at baby. hennessy and patterson really need to tackle GPU architecture, but if you start with CPUs you'll definitely get be in a position to understand GPUs as well.
i'd say if you want to learn more, check out the above book and look into graphics programming introductions. i prefer opengl, but to be fair i haven't done anything with dx10 yet.
i would love to link concepts to things ... but that'd generate quite a bit of traffic to wikipedia (since it'd take a significant ammount of time for us to do it all ourselves), but they really aren't even the best source for people who want to learn and don't already mostly understand what's happening ... Reply


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10 Factors to Consider When Sourcing GloballySara Ireton | Mar 01, 2009 10:20PM EST
So your business is experiencing better-than-expected growth, and you're ready to take the next step and expand globally? Think about when you go shopping — more often than not, you may notice the phrase Made in Mexico; Made in Sri Lanka; Made in Italy — perhaps in the tags on your clothes; your daughter's new doll; the towels in your bathroom; the radio on your desk.
This is all part of living in a global economy. Besides fulfilling country-of-origin marking requirements, what are the factors behind that tag? How did the stylish wool sweater come to be sourced across the water in Italy? Or who decided Egypt would be the best place to source cotton towels? While multiple factors go into such a decision, what follows are 10 basic points companies should keep in mind when looking to source from around the world.
1. Total landed cost.
It is easy to focus on the lowest unit cost and assume that's the best way to go. But unit cost is just one piece of the total cost equation. Other factors include transportation, customs and duties, brokerage services (both at origin and destination), banking fees, financing and insurance, to name a few. Further, there could be additional, unexpected costs. If customs decides to examine the freight, you should add in charges for the examination and local coordination charges. What if fumigation is required? More charges. Any delays in the supply chain could result in expedited freight charges in order to meet the target delivery date. While these may not occur, it is best to plan for the worst, and hope for the best.
2. Product quality.
The quality of the product has ramifications over and above the unit cost on the balance sheet. Quality needs to be defined so that the supplier and buyer understand and are in agreement. If there are issues with the quality of the product, it is much harder to address with a vendor through cultures, time zones and geographies, than if you are meeting with a local supplier. Poor quality affects everything downstream, most obviously the rate of returns by dissatisfied customers. Returns drain the business, taking up resources that are more typically focused on getting good product out to the market, not receiving bad product back in. Defective product may need to be sold at a discount or written off as a loss, each of which affects the bottom line. A key part of an efficient supply chain is having quality product all the way through it. In some cases, it may involve trial and error, but as relationships grow over the years, some suppliers stand out as offering a consistently superior product. These are the relationships to nurture.
3. Logistics capability.
All the great products and quality will mean nothing if you are unable to get the goods to market. What type of transportation is available, domestically and internationally? After all, you have to get the goods to an airport or seaport for transport; is there a reliable transportation infrastructure in the country? Are you relying on a well-fed yak to negotiate a tricky mountain pass to get to a major port, or is there a sound transportation infrastructure from the sourcing/manufacturing origin point to the port? Once the freight is ready for international transport, is there space or lift available? Seasonal fluctuations and weather should be taken into consideration. Recent hurricanes along the Gulf Coast are a great example: Katrina has affected the logistics of industry and business far beyond the immediate region. It is important to have the flexibility with service providers to implement alternate plans quickly in case the primary plan or transportation lane becomes unavailable.
4. Location.
At the risk of sounding like a real-estate agent, consider location, location, location. The proximity of a country may make it a more attractive source — case in point, Canada. Canada is the United States' largest trading partner. In the same vein, Mexico is the second-largest importer of U.S. goods, and third as a source of imports to the U.S. behind only Canada and China. The proximity leads to benefits such as doing business in the same, or close, time zones. In addition, common cultural differences and similarities, including language, are known, as many of the populations in the three North American countries have their origins or families in the neighboring countries. The North American Free Trade Agreement also has done a lot to ease restrictions on trade between the countries.
5. Trade regulations.
Governmental regulations can enhance or detract from the ease of doing business with a given origin. For years. there were quota restrictions with importing textile goods from China. This restriction was removed in January 2005, leaving China trending toward sourcing up to 50 percent of the world market share of textiles. Before any sourcing decision is made, it is imperative that all trade incentives or restrictions are evaluated carefully. It is also essential to be familiar with documentation requirements for U.S. customs clearance. There are many government-sponsored publications, brokers or consulting organizations available to help educate an importer in the legal requirements of international trade.
6. Finances.
Any discussion of buying and selling would be incomplete without evaluating the financial aspect, in addition to looking at the actual cost of goods. What terms can be negotiated? What is the risk with a given manufacturer? Is more insurance required to source from a supplier in Vietnam versus Hong Kong? Can your excellent credit terms with your domestic bank be leveraged to benefit the suppliers' financial picture, resulting in less risk and cost to the buyer? How will the increased transport time — resulting in tied-up inventory — affect your cash-to-cash cycle?
7. Time to market/responsiveness of supplier.
Time to market is becoming an increasingly critical factor in sourcing decisions. If one's competitor has product available more quickly, the result could be lost market share and more important, lost revenue. It is important that your supplier be receptive to, and able to accommodate, change. Perhaps the product needs to be tweaked slightly, or sales are exceeding expectations and production needs to be ramped up. Is the supplier in a position to do this? If the industry is subject to whims (think fashions for teenage girls, for example), sourcing in Latin America may make sense with its proximity to the end market and quicker transport time.
8. Value-added services.
Are there additional services available at origin to add value to the product? Is it less expensive and more efficient to have garment hang-tags attached at the factory or consolidation site prior to shipping? This can expedite the delivery in the U.S. by bypassing a facility to do the same work, most likely at a higher labor cost than if it was done at origin. Does the supplier guarantee that it will pack the freight to ensure it arrives intact at destination? A new importer might make the mistake of cutting corners on the packaging and dunnage when importing honey from China. The result could be steel drums bouncing around an ocean container for 12 days on a vessel then five more days on the rail, only to have honey oozing out of the container from leaky drums when it is opened at its Chicago destination. Such a situation, sadly not fictitious, has the consequence of lost product, lost sales and significant cleanup — all more costly than investing in the original dunnage at origin.
9. Communication/IT capabilities.
How will you know what has shipped? Is your supplier a real-time, Internet-savvy, information-sharing partner? Or will you be waiting for documents typed on an IBM Selectric to be pouched over in a DHL envelope? Open dialogue and communication is imperative between the supplier and buyer. Late, missing or inaccurate documents can cause delays of customs clearance and, ultimately, delivery to destination. Inaccurate product information may result in swimsuits to Seattle in September and umbrellas to Phoenix, requiring additional freight and time to correct such an error. E-mail and the Internet, and good-old phone calls, can go a long way to ensuring supply-chain efficiency.
10. Human toll.
This one is often overlooked, but can nevertheless be a critical part of the decision; there is a real human effort to visit and work with suppliers overseas. In excess of the obvious costs of airfare, hotel and food — each substantial in its own right — is the cost of time away from the office and family. If someone is spending a day or more traveling, that is time away from the office and presumably the work that would be done there. Fatigue comes into play as the traveler works to get over jet lag and be prepared for meeting. In addition, cultural differences need to be considered ahead of time to avoid inadvertently insulting the hosts. Don't arrive in Cairo and expect to work on Friday; don't be surprised in India if, as a female, you are told you may not use the exercise facility in the hotel during "gent's time." Be prepared to be open to different foods, dress, even toilet facilities. There are numerous publications available to coach a traveler on acceptable customs in the destination country. Being slightly familiar with these and making the effort will be appreciated by your hosts.
The above represents a handful of key factors to consider when making global sourcing decisions. Whether you are new to importing, or just considering sourcing from new origin region, remember there are numerous resources available to help make a well-thought-out choice. Once an informed decision is made, there is a huge opportunity to enjoy conducting profitable business in the global market.


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One of the biggest problems in any company with separate sales and marketing departments is what is sometimes calls sales and marketing alignment. This can be a problem regardless of how large or how small. In other words, how do sales marketing get along, how do they interact, and how can the processes between them be improved?
At LogMyCalls.com, we have analyzed millions of calls and we have some insight into the subject. From the marketing team's perspective, here are five ways the sales department can really make the marketing department angry.
Discuss commissions too much.
This may not be the most visible problem between marketing and sales, but it is fairly common. Over time it can breed discontent and annoyance in the marketing office.
Marketers typically receive a salary and perhaps an occasional bonus. So, hearing sales reps talk about their commissions is irritating.
If sales talks about commissions too much, eventually marketing feels like the sales team doesn't really care about the company, instead they just care about their own commissions. Whether this is true or not doesn't matter. Perception is everything. I have heard many marketers simply say under their breath, "Just do your job."
Whine too much about lead volume.
Few things irritate the marketing department more than a salesman who constantly complains about not having enough leads. Have you ever heard of cold calling? Do you have a target list? Or, do you just wait to be spoon fed? Stop whining and start selling.
Not following up with leads quickly.
According to sources ranging from MECLabs to InsideSales.com to Speak2Leads.com, following up with leads within the first 5 minutes increases the rate at which you actually connect with the lead, and the rate at which the lead becomes a customer. You are significantly more likely to connect with a lead if you call that lead within 5 minutes of a form fill-out.
After 5 minutes the ratios for each drop exponentially. After 30 minutes, the numbers are even more dramatic.
For example, if you call a lead within 5 minutes of a form fill-out you are 1500% more likely to reach that lead than if you call that lead a week later.
When marketing produces leads that sales doesn't reach out to quickly, it upsets marketing.
Sales argues that not all leads need a phone call. Some simply aren't "sales ready" enough to warrant a phone call. They're probably right in some respects. But the data doesn't lie. Leads that receive a phone call very quickly after a form fill-out are significantly more likely to become customers.
Failing to follow-up with leads at all.
Several weeks ago I spoke to a marketer at a large b2b manufacturing company. This marketer said his department is interested in LogMyCalls because they want to hold sales accountable for the leads they call and the leads they DON'T call. He wants to use outbound call recording to show the sales department that they're not calling as many people as they think they are calling.
Basically he wants LogMyCalls to win an argument with the VP of sales. That's sort of juvenile, but also awesome.
According to research from InsideSales.com around 75% of leads are never contacted. Don't believe me? Look through your CRM and prepare to be stunned. The vast majority of your leads have never been contacted by a sales rep.
Whining that leads aren't "good leads."
This might be the most common argument between marketing and sales. Whining about lead quality is not going to make marketing happy. Here's what marketing wants to say when a sales team complains about poor lead quality: "Well why do you think they're not good leads? Yep, because you waited three weeks to call them."
McKay Allen is the Marketing Content Manager at LogMyCalls, the next generation of intelligent call tracking and marketing automation. He is the principal writer on Blog.LogMyCalls.com


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Freshman Shore has emerged as top starter
Published: Friday, April 25, 2014 at 8:00 a.m.
Last Modified: Thursday, April 24, 2014 at 9:32 p.m.
After throwing 5 1/3 innings of three-hit ball and allowing no earned runs in his first collegiate start against UCF back on Feb. 18, Florida freshman pitcher Logan Shore showed little emotion after his impressive effort.
Friday's game
Who: Missouri (19-21, 6-12 SEC) vs. No. 6 Florida (27-15, 12-6)
When: 7 p.m.
Where: McKethan Stadium
Radio: AM-850
Pitching matchup: Missouri junior right-hander Brett Graves (3-2, 2.66) vs. UF freshman righty Logan Shore (4-2, 1.83)
"There were a couple of pitches I'd like to have back, but I think it was a pretty solid first outing," Shore said. "I'd like to build off it."
Oh, has he built.
The 6-foot-1, 210-pound right-hander from Coon Rapids, Minn., has emerged as the No. 1 starter for the Gators, who are ranked No. 6 in the Baseball America poll and tied for the SEC lead heading into this weekend's three-game home series with Missouri.
In nine starts and 59 innings of work — both team-high marks — Shore is 4-2 with a 1.83 ERA and has thrown at least five innings in every start.
"I'm not going to say that I knew he was going to pitch this well, but it's not surprising," UF coach Kevin O'Sullivan said. "He's been really good and has shown why he was recruited so heavily by so many people."
Despite not allowing an earned run and scattering 11 hits over 18 1/3 innings with 15 strikeouts in his first three starts, all Shore had to show were two no-decisions and a loss as the Gators gave him little run support and committed some costly errors during their early-season struggles. Otherwise, his record would be even better.
But as UF's fortunes have turned, so have Shore's.
In his first Friday night SEC start against Arkansas on March 14, he earned his first win with 6 1/3 innings of one-run ball in a 2-1 Florida win.
"That was as good a start as we've had around here," O'Sullivan said. "That was Hudson Randall-like on a Friday night."
It's not the only time O'Sullivan has made the comparison to the former UF ace.
"We told Logan that a few years ago (2010), Hudson Randall didn't start on the weekend," he said. "He got his first start in a midweek game against Central Florida and threw five scoreless, and then obviously the rest is history."
Shore downplayed the similarities.
"That's an honor first off, but I need to improve a lot," he said. "He (Randall) did a lot for this program. He was fun to watch the times I got to watch him on TV or whatever. He spotted up with everything, had three good pitches, and that's the kind of guy I would like to be.
"Sully preaches first-pitch strikes and throwing two-out-of-three strikes, so I just try to stay within myself and not try to do too much."
Shore, the 2013 Gatorade Player of the Year and Mr. Baseball in Minnesota, was 9-0 with a miniscule 0.27 ERA and hit .429 as a senior at Coon Rapids High School.
He was selected in the 29th round of the 2013 MLB Draft by the Minnesota Twins, but opted for college — and a more conducive baseball climate.
"It's good to finally pitch in some warm weather in the spring, coming from Minnesota," Shore said. "My senior year, we started like the first week of April, and there was so much snow that we got postponed all the way until May 7. So we got postponed a month, and I think my first start it was still in like 30-degree weather. It's a little bit different coming down here."
His UF teammates are just as impressed as the coaches.
"He can really carve it up," junior catcher Taylor Gushue said. "He's done such a good job. For a freshman, it's pretty unbelievable, so credit to him."
Added freshman third baseman John Sternagel: "I knew that Shore was going to be lights-out. You can always count on him when he gets the ball to compete and give his best effort."
"We don't go out of state very often, and certainly are not usually going to Coon Rapids, Minnesota, for a right-hander," O'Sullivan said. "But there's something special about him. I mean, he's mature, he's very competitive, and he's very talented."
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By Tom Hanson
Nov 3, 2011
|Where are the Broken Ankle and Snowstorm Boulders?
By Kegan Minock
From: colorado springs
Nov 7, 2011
|Hey Tom, so I stumbled across this area a few weeks ago. I am sure I did not FA all of these routes nor did I "find" these boulders, but I cannot find any info on them whatsoever. Maybe you can help, I put these problems up just to have them here, and I would love to be corrected. They are across the river and up in the trees from where the main trail has that switchback with the wooden stairs south of the dam. If you have any info on these climbs, I am more than willing to fix my mistakes.
By Mike Lane
From: Centennial, CO
Nov 8, 2011
|That narrows it to a couple hundred meters of the canyon. Are you talking east of South Canyon point?
By Kegan Minock
From: colorado springs
Nov 8, 2011
|Ha sorry. So I looked at a map of CWC, and it looks like I was north of the Creekside Boulders before the river makes the big ... before the dam.
By Andy Librande
From: Denver, CO
Nov 15, 2011
Hey Kegan - I am confused too where these boulders are. Below is a link to a Google satellite map with a few of the major boulders mapped on it along with the trails. I have highlighted a large red area which I believe is the location you are talking about for these boulders.
By Kegan Minock
From: colorado springs
Nov 16, 2011
|Ok, that helped a lot. It looks like I was up in the trees by the Creekside Boulders. Any info on these problems? Like I said, I don't believe I was the first to climb them, I just cannot find any info on them. Next time I am out there, I'll take some pictures to help clear up the confusion.
By Andy Librande
From: Denver, CO
Nov 22, 2011
|I know there is a boulder that has a ton of large pebbles on it but not super tall up there. Bob Horan has it labeled as the Bubble Rock or something like that in his latest book.
By Kegan Minock
From: colorado springs
Dec 2, 2011
|So, I forgot I had a video of all the climbs. All the grades names and "FAs" are subjective seeing as how I am finding I did not discover these. Not sure how to post video here, but if you go to youtube and search for cwc bouldering, it should be the first video. It's about 8 minutes long. Hope this helps.
By Andy Librande
From: Denver, CO
Dec 19, 2011
Hey Keagan - nice video. I would expect the majority of those problems have been done before. Maybe one or two of the variations have not been done, but those specific boulders/lines have been climbed on for years. Not sure if any of them were ever given specific names though.
From what I can tell, if there is an new FA in Castlewood, it is some obscure boulder buried deep in the trees or climbing a variation.
Otherwise nice video, those are some fun blocks. Looks like you did a couple problems that I have not tried and will need to hope on in the future.
By Mike Lane
From: Centennial, CO
Dec 20, 2011
Part of the charm about CWC bouldering is that a big majority of what can be hopped on is not recorded. Tom and I have found unclimbed stuff every time we've gone on a sidehill bushwhack boulder hunt; although the last time we did that was 3 years ago. General key to whether someone has been there before you is if you're brushing lichens and pebbles off of the obvious holds, you've got an FA; if the holds are only dusty probably not.
And there's still a good hundred epic problems TBD if people want to explore the X territory; which can usually be managed by rigging up rope pro from above. I predict that someday a wave of scary sends will be reported by a new generation there.
By Kegan Minock
From: colorado springs
Feb 10, 2012
|Right on, sorry for all of the mix-ups. I'll fix the FAs on my climbs.


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Chris Brown allegedly has a history of assaulting Rihanna. While TMZ cites the police report where Rihanna claims she's been abused before, Us Weekly reports she had bruises on her neck as recently as December:
Brown — who is currently being investigated by Los Angeles county prosecutors after Rihanna allegedly accused him of assaulting her the night before the Grammys — always had a "volatile" relationship with the singer, an insider tells Us.
A Rihanna confidant adds that bruises were clearly visible on the singer's neck in early December.
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Why is he depicted as a year older than the rest of the rookies? --Xavier1261 (talk) 00:45, July 11, 2012 (UTC)
Unless I'm mistaken, the ages originate from databooks in most cases--Elveonora (talk) 00:49, July 11, 2012 (UTC)
Well alright but it seems odd considering he was 12-13 in Part 1 plus the wiki had it as 15-16 a few weeks/months ago--Xavier1261 (talk) 00:48, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
Gaara who was born in January was 15 and Naruto born October was 15 according to the Shippuden Mini Databook on ShounenSuki's contributions page, which means ALL people were a year younger in the beginning of shippuden and Naruto was 16 when he fought Kakuzu. Which means Sasuke was INDEED 15 when Naruto and him met again at Oro's base. 6 months after that Sasuke betrayed Oro and we then get all the Databook 3 ages. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 23:04, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
Sage Transformation
I believe Sasuke should be marked as a (former) Sage Transformation user as he had the Cursed Seal of Heaven, and Jugo said that his and his "copies" tranformation were the same thing. Any opinions? Darksusanoo (talk) 19:52, July 11, 2012 (UTC)
- My opinion is that this chapter made things complicate where they didn't have to be complicated. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:16, July 11, 2012 (UTC)
- Except he didn't use Sage Transformation. He used the Cursed Seal of Heaven. A copy it may be, but that doesn't make it the same thing.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 20:50, July 11, 2012 (UTC)
He didn't, Sage Transformation is what Jugo's clan is using ...
- Their body absorbing natural energies, and an enzyme reacting to it, transforming their bodies ... It's not a Senjutsu chakra as that's a balance of 3 energies, and they aren't manipulating natural energies themselves.
- Curse Marks/Cursed Seal Transformation use Senjutsu chakra and an enzyme based on Jugo clan's,
the difference is that the former is like a KKG, the latter is a tattoo and the workings are similar but not the same. But to make it simple, Sage Transformation is Natural Energy causing them to mutate due to their bodies passively absorbing it and the enzyme reacting, while Cursed Seal Transformation is Senjutsu Chakra (but not a Sage Mode 0_o) + Transformation At least that's how it appears to be--Elveonora (talk) 22:10, July 11, 2012 (UTC)
- Ok i get that...but i believe the curse seal works just like Jugo's clan abilities, but not in a perfect way since cursed seal users are only limited to one type of transformation...and i believe the whole Orochimaru Senjutsu chakra thing was a mistranslation of him talking about his revival. But i get the general idea. Darksusanoo (talk) 16:54, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
Jugo's works {KKG-absorbs natural energy, enzyme causes body to mutate and triggers rage and madness = sage transformation] CS works [a modified enzyme of Jugo transforms a body, draws chakra, gives Orochimaru's senjutsu chakra] I don't think there are any mistranslations, raw is out already--Elveonora (talk) 20:07, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
Uhm, didn't Jūgo himself say it was called Cursed Seal Transformation to those whom cursed seals were applied to? The only way someone can have Sage Transformation is if they're from Jūgo's clan.--Cerez365™(talk) 20:24, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
Yep, Sage Transformation is an actual result of their KKG, while Cursed Seal Transformation is due to a tattoo--Elveonora (talk) 20:30, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
- Can the resident translator clear these doubts off? Darksusanoo (talk) 20:36, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
- But the thing is that the Curse Seal is made from Jugo's enzymes with some modifications, which in a sense is the same as Kakashi using a Sharingan, or Danzo and Madara using the Wood Release because they took the body part/DNA of the individual using said KKG. Darksusanoo (talk) 20:44, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
Suki is gone, ask the new S.--Elveonora (talk) 20:45, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
The enzyme in itself isn't a KKG, only a result of it, like a fluid the bodies of a Jugo Clan's members do produce. A Cursed Seal host doesn't produce the enzyme because he/she have no such KKG, it's a sealing tattoo with the modified enzyme in it. EDIT: to make it simple, Sasuke nor other CS users didn't use Sage Transformation as that's something only Jugo Clan's member and Kabuto due to having Jugo's DNA can/could use--Elveonora (talk) 20:59, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
- Hum...ok...i actually reached that conclusion myself, it actually makes somewhat more sense as whole since i never understood how a Cursed gave such a power-up by just forcing more chakra out of the user...i guess this would explain both the power up and the drain caused by the seal. Darksusanoo (talk) 21:59, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
P1 and P2 Infobox pics
I noticed earlier that someone added a Part 2 image to the infobox. I made a contribution myself, and it worked really well. So why exactly was it reversed? If those are outdated images of the characters, I think it's pretty unprofessional to not at least have both images selectable for the infobox. Look at the One Piece wikia.. and I know, I know, we do things differently here. but the One Piece Wiki uses both pre-timeskip and post-timeskip pictures for the characters, and nobody seems to complain, since they're recent. What exactly is the problem with keeping the infobox images accurate to the current plot of the manga? --M4ND0N (talk) 23:21, July 27, 2012 (UTC)
- We list them as they were first introduced. For part 1 characters, that means part 1 images. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:42, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
Deuteragonist in intro?
Why not add Deuteragonist in the intro? Its pretty clear at this point (it was in part 1 actually) ? I can add it myself, of course but just wondering is it not allowed or something? Very good article, like the rest :) Keep up the good work Narutopedia!—This unsigned comment was made by 126.96.36.199 (talk • contribs) .
- You do understand that Sasuke helped Itachi for self-serving reasons yes? You also do recall that he said he's still going to seek revenge yes? Sasuke's brief moment of inadvertently aiding the shinobi doesn't call for a change in his introduction.--Cerez365™(talk) 09:57, July 30, 2012 (UTC)
- http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Sasuke_Uchiha/Archive_6#Deuteragonist SaiST (talk) 14:25, July 30, 2012 (UTC)
@ Cerez Since when Deuteragonist has to be on Protagonists side? http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Deuteragonist "This person can be either with, or against The Protagonist - thus sometimes pulling double duty as a main Antagonist, though they are rarely the primary antagonist in these scenarios"
"..first named technique.."
Referring to Tsukuyomi. While I do not share the opinion that Sasuke has used the ability, I understand this wiki's decision to list it as one of his techniques due to the 3rd Databook's description of Susanoo's prerequisites. Still, none of the Genjutsu Sasuke's cast from his Mangekyo Sharingan have been identified as Tsukuyomi. I believe that the earlier edit(s), in which the first ability of Sasuke's Mangekyō Sharingan is PRESUMED to be Tsukuyomi, was more appropriate. SaiST (talk) 14:46, July 30, 2012 (UTC)
- Precisely because of what you mentioned before, the presumption was removed. It's better to let it as such until something is said otherwise.--Cerez365™(talk) 15:29, July 30, 2012 (UTC)
infant image
Shouldn't we use the anime version instead in a case that the anime's portrayal one is incorrect?--Elveonora (talk) 18:28, August 5, 2012 (UTC)
Bump, I vote for the correct manga version of the image--Elveonora (talk) 19:53, August 10, 2012 (UTC)
I agree with you because the anime could be different I believe somebody should put the manga version pic or one of his childhood pics. The manga, after all, is the original drawing. --220.127.116.11 (talk) 21:58, March 12, 2013 (UTC)
I believe we should always use the correct version--Elveonora (talk) 00:00, March 13, 2013 (UTC)
Regarding the Abilities section
Does this section really need to be written like an advertisement?--Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis (talk) 22:30, August 24, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, cause Lord Sasuke deserves it--Elveonora (talk) 00:08, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
All character's ability sections are written like that. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 05:30, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
- True. All persons abilities sections are written to show them off, no matter what little is known of them.--Cerez365™(talk) 09:39, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
Alright. I do think it's a bit worse than with other abilities sections, but that probably has to do with Sasuke's role in the story. Still, there are some odd things:
- Sasuke is hailed as a genius, even by the battle-adept Uchiha clan's standards, excelling at all that he does and finding little difficulty in more challenging tasks.
Uhm, doesn't that ignore a significant part of the story where Sasuke is the less talented, little brother of Itachi!?
- Overall, Sasuke has become highly proficent (sic) in all of his clan's techniques with advanced knowledge of their respective natures, despite his lack of formal training by relying solely on his innate talent and determination.
Respective natures!? Lack of formal training!? What is meant by that exactly?
- Although not his favoured combat skill, Sasuke's taijutsu was at a very high level since the start of the series.
Shouldn't that be "not his favoured combat TACTIC", because his taijutsu skills are he foundation for his other skills.
- Sasuke has displayed an above-average level of physical strength. Despite being weakened in the fight, he was [able] to lift and carry an unconscious Killer B (which was actually one of Gyūki's tentacles) with
a single[one] hand.
Well, it's not as if anyone else has carried Killer B around, but with chakra enhanced speed and chakra enhanced strength almost everywhere, is that actually worth mentioning? Also, I pretty sure that he didn't carry Killer B "with a single hand", but carried him on a single shoulder. And calling it "above average"?
- He also has high levels of stamina and endurance as he was able to withstand being battered, thrown and slammed around by Naruto in his jinchūriki forms,...
In his cursed seal mode! Isn't that important to mention?
- After his Sharingan fully develops, he was also able to match the speed of both Naruto's initial jinchūriki form and one-tailed form during their fight, though couldn't completely dodge the latter's demon shroud.
Again without mentioning his cursed seal mode.
- Furthmore (sic), his speed and precision have yet to leave his blade stained with any blood even when inflicting lethal strikes on his opponent.
Isn't that because he's running lightning through his sword? ... And those were some of the things I noticed. Thanks.--Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis (talk) 14:11, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
- While we do praise people, comparing them to others is frowned upon here. So even if Sasuke is called a genius, we would not say, "less than his brother" and however many other persons that may have been more talented than him.
- Not too sure myself since he's been "trained" and I've only ever seen him use two "Uchiha" techniques, but this place isn't run by machines.
- Okay
- Fair enough as well, I also thought Jūgo carried B, not Sasuke
- Stamina and endurance stuff removed
- That statement is wrong, the Sharingan didn't grant him speed, but the ability to dodge the attacks.
- Removed
Because Sasuke is one of the "more popular" characters, if editors don't patroll the pages regularly, stuff like this gets "sneaked" in without our knowing. Thanks for bringing it to our attention any way.--Cerez365™(talk) 14:29, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
- Itachi was stronger than Sasuke, but the latter was noted numerous times to have the potential to surpass Itachi in time, stated to have a better Sharingan skill and his chakra was compared to that of Madara.
Not to mention Naruto and Sasuke are equal, and the former is now like the strongest unit in the Ninja Alliance. Also the whole "next generation surpasses the previous" or some shit.
- Sasuke had trained to equal Itachi's skill with Ninja Tools, used them in conjunction with his Fire and Lightning techniques REALLY well, and even used a modified/next-gen version of Uchiha Madara's dragon heads/projectiles technique.
Itachi was hailed as a prodigy, Sasuke as well, with him eventually surpassing the older brother. So this isn't false, Sasuke has used an "Uchiha" technique without being trained in it, and copied Itachi's shuriken target practice by memorizing it.
- I think he has the talent to rival Lee in Taijutsu, for copying a few moves and in a 30 day training mastering something that took Lee years.
But later in the series, it's not a common part of his fighting style, relying more on Kenjutsu now.
- The databook gives Sasuke 3,5 in strength, now it's more than likely even more (4 I guess) taking into consideration that he wasn't exclusively trained in muscle mass department, it's valid.
Also Sasuke is a late 16 years old teenager, Killer B a muscular big dark-skinned dude in his late 30's. Sasuke isn't noted to be using any strength-enhancing technique (with the Cursed Seal being removed at that point already) "maybe" some limited Eight Gates opening skill (Kakashi level)
- I wouldn't say Sasuke has any noticeable natural endurance... that's Naruto's area.
Actually without his cursed seal, he got pwned in a single punch by Killer B and wouldn't have survived the Raikage's attack if it wasn't for his Susanoo.
- Why removed? In my opinion, it takes a great mastery with a sword to cut due to 1000 Ninja and disarm them without taking their lives.--Elveonora (talk) 19:15, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
another bug?
jutsu list isn't displaying again.—This unsigned comment was made by 184.108.40.206 (talk • contribs) .
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Black lightning?
Is Sasuke's dark chidori or flapping chidori a black lightning move? Or just a darker and stronger chidori? 22.214.171.124 (talk) 22:39, September 5, 2012 (UTC)Amaterasuice
- Not a black lightning technique, specially since in an artbook, said technique was purple. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:46, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, I'm colorblind so....--184.108.40.206 (talk) 22:53, September 5, 2012 (UTC)Amaterasuice
Introduction section
I noticed, in the Introduction section, it says '...kept getting drawn in by Sakura's romantic advances and Naruto's attempts at competition.
I fail to see where he was ever drawn in to Sakura's romantic advances. He called her annoying and, in the Viz translation of the manga said that she made him sick, both occurrences in Part 1.
He never acted on them in any way, so far as I remember, at least not positively. Not saying he didn't care for her or anything, but that statement is puzzling. Anyone care to explain to me? I'm kinda mind boggled by the logic in there...--AkasunaNoJade (talk) 08:44, October 2, 2012 (UTC)
Maybe add this to further describe Sasuke's descent into hatred? Justin Holland (talk) 22:34, October 13, 2012 (UTC)
- Unnecessary. Also, that's from a filler. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:35, October 13, 2012 (UTC)
I thought that see Sasuke's hatred consumed eyes as a chlid may help better add to his descent to hate as a chlid Justin Holland (talk) 23:36, October 13, 2012 (UTC)
Why did someone remove "rotten ninja world"? Justin Holland (talk) 19:34, October 15, 2012 (UTC)
Shouldn't we say that Sasuke has an affinity towards lightning, because of that one filler episode with the paper?--22.214.171.124 (talk) 22:23, November 7, 2012 (UTC)
Kusari user
In what occasion of the anime, was Sasuke shown as using the kusari? Cuz he's listed as one in the anime and i can't find a single refference to it, soo a little direction would be appreciated. Darksusanoo (talk) 00:46, December 15, 2012 (UTC)
- In the Paw Encyclopaedia filler. In a flashback, he captures one of the cats with chains. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:10, December 15, 2012 (UTC)
Curse mark?
I can't remember if they have shown this, but Sasuke still got his Curse Mark right? Long time no see acturly. --Kasan94 (talk) 12:41, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
- It was removed by Itachi during their last fight, when Orochimaru was sealed by Itachi's sword. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 12:46, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
Great thanks. --Kasan94 (talk) 12:51, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
Something about his appearance
I don't know if this in his appearance but there seems be not mention of the lines under Sasuke's eyes he had for the longest time from when he started killing the samurai up till Edo Tensei was released. His emotions and mindset seem to determine when they're there or not. --220.127.116.11 (talk) 04:01, January 17, 2013 (UTC)
Expressions of madness--Elveonora (talk) 13:49, January 17, 2013 (UTC)
Sasuke may NOT HAVE Tsukuyomi
Well, While I do think that Sasuke did use Tsukuyomi - It's nothing but a theory..... Lets start with the idea that you should write facts only. according to Tobi [Naruto chapter 480 page 6] Sasuke used simply a weak genjutsu. However, That Tsukuyomi that Sasuke used did not have a moon, it reminds of Itachi's Tsukuyomi yet it doesn't have to be one. Now for the last chapter that might prove that Sasuke does not have a Tsukuyomi. In chapter 585 page 12, Sasuke did not say Tsukuyomi but genjutsu sharingan while Itachi did say Tsukuyomi.Zahi101 (talk) 05:49, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
Your point?18.104.22.168 (talk) 06:10, January 27, 2013 (UTC) Yomiko-chan
My point is that you should remove from the jutsu list the Tsukuyomi ability, Same goes to the abilities which clearly says did he does have Tsukuyomi while he possibily doesn't haveZahi101 (talk) 06:40, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
- It has already been decided to list him as a user, i refer you to some of the discussions above to see why if you like.126.96.36.199 (talk) 07:18, January 27, 2013 (UTC) Yomiko-chan
In order to use Susanoo, a person needs to be able to use both Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi.~ UltimateSupreme 07:34, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
No, The databook most likely was wrong. Kishi simply changed his mind. It was long ago and it's no more, I gave you a clear proves from the manga which says that Sasuke doesn't have Tsukuyomi, Manga >= Databook. You can't rely on the Databook while the manga says otherwise. - Yomiko-chan, But the manga clearly says that he does NOT have it. Zahi101 (talk) 08:10, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
- No, Sasuke surely has it, he used it against Danzo twice. One time when Danzo saw Itachi casting Amaterasu on him and the second time when he fooled him by believing he still has some Sharingan left for his Izanagi (both Tobi and Danzo said that it was Tsukuyomi and not another genjutsu, although it was not as powerful as Itachi's version.) He also used his Mangekyō Sharingan for it. Why should he do that if he could cast a simple genjutsu with his normal sharingan?Norleon (talk) 10:35, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
I disagree, Sasuke used the same ability with the second eye twice, After Tobi noticed it (in chapter 480 page 6) He said himself it was simply a genjutsu and nothing else. The Mangekyo Sharingan genjutsu is a somewhat stronger genjutsu. I don't know, But CLEARLY it isn't the Tsukuyomi. Why would he say Mangekyo genjutsu instead of Tsukuyomi? UHMMM.... Maybe because it isn't. Apart from it, Sasuke has three abilities (which I disagree but it's not the point) , Blaze release , Susanoo and Amaterasu. Which means as Sasuke said himself, 3 abilities .. No Tsukuyomi here. The manga might be confusing abit alright, Though we cannot ignore the facts that it was NEVER said that it is a Tsukuyomi. And considering the fact it was said it isn't Tsukuyomi and Sasuke NEVER said Tsukuyomi while activating the mangekyo genjutsu ability.. It wasn't Tsukuyomi, alright. Zahi101 (talk) 12:56, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
Guys, there's no need to start up this discussion for the hundredth million time. Until it is said otherwise, Amaterasu+Tsukuyomi=Susanoo. I really don't think there's any need to bring this up again because no one here is going to say anything that hasn't been said in every other discussion.--Cerez365™(talk) 13:05, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
Yet you simply ignore the fact that Sasuke never used Tsukuyomi. The manga showed us [chapter 585 page 12] that it's somewhat Mangekyo Sharingan genjutsu and nothing else. Due to that and more few reasons it's no longer a fact.Zahi101 (talk) 13:36, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
- This is a wikia. We have to base information here on a premise. If databook says Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi to awaken Susanoo, and Itachi said the same, why should we go against it and say "oh Sasuke may not have Tsukuyomi because you know, he's the one exception"? Also not that Danzō compared Sasuke's genjutsu to that of Itachi's which could control time and that was what Tobi was commenting on noting that it was just another genjutsu. Why in blazes would someone compare a regular genjutsu with something on the level of Tsukuyomi. Until it is said otherwise, that is what we have to work on. If and when it is ever said contrary, feel free to come back here and do the "I told you so" dance by which time I'll be long gone, and you'll be dead Dumbledore!--Cerez365™(talk) 13:43, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
- Also, even IF the genjutsu used by Sasuke in that fight really weren't Tsukuyomi, we still could not say that he is not able to use it. The databook says one needs both abilities to use Susanoo, and that is a fact. Madara also never used Amaterasu, yet he could use Susanoo and is therefore also able to use Amaterasu. The databooks are official references, therefore a person IS able to use a technique if it stands so in a databook, even if that person was not seen using the technique yet in the manga or anime.Norleon (talk) 14:08, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
/topic He activated his MS for the purpose of using that genjutsu, it put strain on his eye and there's the kill bill filter scheme lol, not to mention Killer B had tentacle guy free him from it--Elveonora (talk) 22:59, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
--Elveonora ~ it doesn't prove anything really... Just that it's similar to the Tsukuyomi ... As I said, in the later chapters Sasuke clearly doesn't have Tsukuyomi. Zahi101 (talk) 20:16, January 28, 2013 (UTC)
Clearly to you, I don't see your "proof" --Elveonora (talk) 22:27, January 28, 2013 (UTC)
Original Mangekyō Sharingan
I noticed that in the last two chapters (620 and 619) of Naruto manga, Sasuke's Mangekyō appeared like his original without the 3 lines from Itachi's Mangekyō...I think it is worth noting in the trivia .....and it is also raises the question of whether he can switch between the Eternal Mangekyō and the normal Mangekyō at will. 188.8.131.52 (talk) 13:52, February 14, 2013 (UTC)Inhumanoid
I think we should simply list him as deuteragonist or antihero rather than "flip-flopper"--Elveonora (talk) 15:25, April 10, 2013 (UTC)
Maybe anti-hero, but we will have to see how it plays out ... --Keep Calm And Call Kakashi (talk) 15:49, April 10, 2013 (UTC)
In the intro paragraph, it says "...introduced as a protagonist but later became an antagonist in the half of Part II then later revert back into protagonist." Why is he only considered an antagonist in the half of Part II? Isn't he antagonistic since he "tried" to kill Naruto at the Valley of the End in Part I? And due to the latest chapter, is he really considered as a protagonist again? True, he does confirm that he won't destroy the village anymore, and yeah, he does say sorry to Karin for trying to kill her, but does that justify him being a protagonist again after hundreds of chapters of antagonism? Sasuke's role is a difficult one... I just think we should wait for a few more chapters or the whole outcome of this saga before reclassifying him as a protagonist again. Sparxs77 (talk) 17:03, April 10, 2013 (UTC)
My sentiments exactly. --Keep Calm And Call Kakashi (talk) 17:05, April 10, 2013 (UTC)
Whoever wrote that introduction lol.... --Elveonora (talk) 17:09, April 10, 2013 (UTC)
@Sparxs Then, why not just change it to Deuteragonist, since deuteragonist isn't necessarily on the protagonist's side, but isn't the ultimate villain, either. —This unsigned comment was made by 18.104.22.168 (talk • contribs) .
Sasuke's always been the deuteragonist of the series despite all he's done. Throughout part 1 it's always been a series of switches between his and Naruto's stories, like two halves of the same coin in a way.. I agree with changing it to that. --M4ND0N (talk) 18:24, April 10, 2013 (UTC)
Just change it to deuteragonist, is it so hard? I've seen that being discussed here for a LONG time and it's never done because some people want to foolishly stick with the antagonist tag. --18.104.22.168 (talk) 08:12, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
I believe he's a main character.. so anti-hero is fine but he's not classified as antagonist. ~IndxcvNovelist (talk | contribs | PR | RLS) 08:22, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
- Deuteragonist seems to be the best fitting word here.~ UltimateSupreme 08:27, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
- It is entirely possible he could pull a dick move and say "I'm going to protect Konoha only so I can destroy it later.". So I'm hesitant to say he's a protagonist.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 11:05, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
- I would say a proper, decent way to phrase it in the intro would be that while he was originally introduced as a secondary protagonist, he soon evolved into a deuteragonist, helping people only when it presents him with personal gain is his own plans and goals.--lilduff90 (talk) 11:55, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
- That however glosses over the fact that he unquestionably became a antagonist. 400+ chapters of him being a evil dick is not something that can be handwaved so easily.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 12:10, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
- Deuteragonist is the second most important character, after the protagonist. The deuteragonist may switch from being with or against the protagonist depending on the deuteragonist's own conflict/plot.
That seems to exactly match it.~ UltimateSupreme 12:15, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
Why would we do so??? The intro is supposed to give an overview of the character's role and status in the show--Elveonora (talk) 13:03, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
Deuteragonist seams to cover it. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 17:06, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
d.o.n.e.--Elveonora (talk) 17:14, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
Evil? I think not...
I believe that, despite all Sasuke's done, he did nothing to truly define himself as "evil." Everything that's happened to him was portrayed through his hatred, and people merely got in his way of his goals. Therefore, I think that if someone were to look at it close enough, we should specifically state that he wasn't evil anywhere along the line, and if so, it was nothing but being manipulated and corrupted. GoldenTempest (talk) 21:12, April 11, 2013 (UTC)GoldenTempest
Sasuke picture
Should we add the part of the manga where Sasuke made the decision to protect Konoha next to the latest addition to Sasuke's personality? I think it is appropriate, but that is just me. 22.214.171.124 (talk) 01:30, April 13, 2013 (UTC)
- I think so too. VanillaSky188.8.131.52 (talk) 13:54, June 8, 2013 (UTC)
Can sombody add daggers to wepons, he used them against Kakashi in the genin survival thing. --Keep Calm And Call Kakashi (talk) 21:39, April 19, 2013 (UTC)
- He is listed as a user. It's just not showing. If you click the tool link that gives a list, you'll see it listed. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 14:36, April 20, 2013 (UTC)
Given how he also sensed Naruto's chakra from such a long distance, it would appear Sasuke is a sensor type too.--Reliops (talk) 00:57, May 7, 2013 (UTC)Reliops
- I think you missed the part Orochimaru states none of them there were sensors. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:17, May 7, 2013 (UTC)
These are some Jutsus by Sasuke that need to be added to his Jutsu section :
Shield of Black Flames - Blaze Release: Yasaka Magatama - Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique - Chidori - Chidori Current - Chidori Senbon - Susanoo - Kirin - Fire Release: Great Dragon Fire Technique - Demonic Illusion: Shackling Stakes Technique - Lion Combo - Fire Release: Dragon Fire Technique
If i found more, I'll post them right away (:
- They are already added, it's due to a coding problem that they aren't showing up at the moment. TricksterKing (talk) 11:51, May 11, 2013 (UTC)
Ignore this post, By mistake (:
--LaRoux4Life (talk) 20:00, May 12, 2013 (UTC)
Something wrong with Infobox
I think there's something wrong with the infoboxes of pages such as Sasuke Uchiha, Kimimaro, Jugo and I don't know how many more.. Teppei talk 07:29, 5/31/2013
Found another: Shisui Uchiha.. but how come there's nothing wrong with pages like Sakura Haruno?? Teppei talk 07:31, 5/31/2013
- Seems like some extension was temporarily disabled. Its back to normal now.--~ UltimateSupreme 14:32, June 1, 2013 (UTC)
Interesting Fun Fact
Sasuke has fought 3 Jincuuriki. Gaara, Bee, Naruto and each time survived.. if not won. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 01:19, June 8, 2013 (UTC)
Should we still consider him an international missing-nin in the introduction paragraph? He is now considering returning. Yatanogarasu (Talk) 01:55, June 8, 2013 (UTC)
He isn't considering, he has definitely chosen to return. 18.104.22.168 (talk) 03:22, June 8, 2013 (UTC)
Officially, I would say he is still a Missing-nin. After the war is a different story, but in the minds of Konoha (as a whole) he is probably still an enemy. If not, then Kish made it too easy for him to get back in the good graces of everything, which kind of cheapens his redemption and other things. --Taynio (talk) 04:57, June 8, 2013 (UTC)
Mangekyo Error
Ok we've seen in two chapters (619 and 620) Sasuke with his original Mangekyo shape...now this makes no sense in-series wise...Madara never displayed his original Mangekyo shap after gaining the EMS...soo i'd say this was a mistake on the creator's part...any opinions? Darksusanoo (talk) 20:01, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
They are confirmed errors, as in the latest chapters he is shown with EMS, even UNS3 got his render art wrong, putting his normal ms instead of his ems, I guess they are not used to him having it so they keep drawing his original mangekyo on accident ItachiWasAHero (talk) 22:21, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
Wrong, Madara was shown with his MS after becoming a Konohagakure shinobi, so after already having EMS. Nowhere it's said that they can't switch both--Elveonora (talk) 22:31, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
- If you're referring to that flashback of his confrontation with Muu and Oonoki, we can't say for certain that he was even using his Mangekyou Sharingan there, considering the distance. Regarding Sasuke, we'll have to see if the appearance of his Mangekyou Sharingan remains the same in the volume release. SaiST (talk) 14:52, June 12, 2013 (UTC)
The picture of Team Kakashi summoning their respective summons should be posted on all three of their pages. ThatBoy Gibson (talk) 01:45, June 10, 2013 (UTC)ThatBoyGibson
In the chapter 592 when he is shown with Normal MS, that was a flashback/mental image. See hoe his collar is open and when it goes back to him without his sharingan even active he had it collar zipped?? ItachiWasAHero (talk) 01:03, July 3, 2013 (UTC)


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My view: Sting & Kurt Angle's last matches
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2 Hall of Famers who are still active wrestlers who are not getting any younger. All the teases Kurt & especially Sting has been making about possibly wanting to have their final matches in WWE. I was thinking, who should they have their final matches with in both TNA & WWE. Will they put over talent or should they? Should they win their final matches? Should they put over younger talent? Do you want it to be a dream match? Should they finish their careers in the main event? I mean, we have so many questions yet to be answered. Which is why I'm making this blog to give my opinion along with hearing others. So who do I want them to face?
How much longer I believe they will wrestle in TNA?: For Kurt Angle, I'd say a couple more years probably 2 or 3. As far as Sting goes, I believe this will be his last Bound For Glory. Based on his interviews, I believe he will jump ship to WWE to have a Wrestlemania match with the Undertaker. However, I'm not sure it will happen even though Sting wants it to. Reports say, they are not interested in anyone in TNA. You are telling me, Sting, Kurt Angle, Hulk Hogan, Aries, Roode, ect. came knocking on your door.....you would slam it shut? No, just no!! If Kurt Angle wanted to go back full-time to WWE, you are telling me they would say no? You are telling me, if Hogan said he wanted to come back....they'd say no? Of course, it isn't going to be a welcoming party with no issues, but they will bring those guys back. I believe so any way. The reason, I don't believe it would happen even if Sting wanted it to is because WWE may say, you had your chance and you turned it down. I know folks believe in the developmental system, I do as well, but come on. Give the fans what they want to see, that dream match between Undertaker and Sting.
Will they or should they put over younger talent: Kurt Angle has made a career out of making everyone in the ring with him look like a million dollars. It shouldn't be an issue with him. I don't believe it would be a problem with Sting either. He has put over young talent before in TNA. He is a company guy. Neither came in with big egos needing to be part of TNA. They came to be a part of the great company and help it grow. Which is why today they are TNA Hall of Famers. Sting's signing led to Impact getting that TV deal with Spike back in 05. His signing, meant a lot to TNA. Same with Angle's who has led the company since he arrived. The Impact both have had on TNA has been tremendous. It is cool to see guys win going out, however, I look at it much better if they put someone over as they go out. I don't believe Kurt or Sting needs a victory in their final matches to prove anything. They have nothing left to prove because they are Hall of Famers.
Final match in TNA for Sting: Without a doubt to me, Sting should put over Samoa Joe in his final match. AJ Styles being a close 2nd here. In 2008, Sting beat Joe at BFG for the world title. Created a group called MEM to take down the young guns like Joe and AJ. You would think the young guys would come out on top in the end, but they didn't. MEM was killed within from egos specifically Angle/Sting. However, Joe hasn't been the same since that storyline after being on the top of mountain. First he lost the world title thanks to the stable of MEM. Slammiversary of 2009, he hands over the world title belt to Angle by joining the MEM going back to the X-Division after that. Which is why I want Joe to beat Sting on Mr.Octobers ppv BFG. BFG is the biggest show of the year for TNA and Sting has great success there. Beating him should put him back in the top ranks in TNA he belong retiring Sting at his stage. AJ retired Sting back in 09 and came back. Which is why AJ is a top candidate to retire or wrestle Sting in his last match at TNA.
Final match in TNA for Angle: It really doesn't matter because he is so great in the ring and brings everyone to a different level. Anyone really would be great to face Angle in his last match. Main event guys like Roode, Aries, AJ, and Joe. Those guys are like my top guys. I'm certainly against him facing a former WWE guy like Jeff Hardy, Mr.Anderson, or whoever else. A lot of folks want to see Angle's last match vs Joe as it is one of the greatest rivalries TNA has ever had. Couldn't go wrong, however, Joe should win. Roode is one of the best performers TNA has, so he certainly deserves a nod at a shot to face Kurt Angle in his final match. I'd really like to see Roode vs Angle in a feud minus a title. AJ is one of the reasons Angle came to TNA. So why not have AJ vs Angle. Mr.TNA vs 1 of the best wrestlers of all-time in his final match. Angle's really just changes with the time. I said AJ months ago, but since they recently feuded and I have still yet to see Aries vs Angle. I'd prefer it over AJ vs Angle. Couple years from now it may be different. For right now, it is Aries vs Angle. Greatest man vs Greatest wrestler!!
Final match in WWE for Angle: Let's be honest rumors for years Sting jumping ship, but hasn't happened. If it did, his final match should be by the majority Sting vs Undertaker. No question about it which is why there is only Angle in the title here. Who should Angle face? Here is my top 6:
HM mention: Cesaro; Damien Sandow; Jack Swagger; CM Punk; Dolph Ziggler-Cesaro is great in ring performer, very under-rated. Real American vs American Hero. Who is the best in the world? Sandow providing wisdom to anyone is quite entertaining to me. 1 of the best in ring performers vs 1 of the best all-time. I did provide more detail, but cut as I thought it was too long. Sandow was HM and th rest are in order from 5 Cesaro to Dolph #2. 1.Daniel Bryan-He reminds me of an old rival Kurt used to have his best matches against. Which is why, I want Daniel Bryan vs Angle. Last match or not, I want Angle vs Daniel Bryan. Kurt Angle being one of the best in ring performers of all-time vs some say the best in ring wrestler today, Bryan. Match of the year? Lets talk match of the decade if these two step in the ring together. YEA, build the hype and expectations up!!
There you have it! My selections for Sting and Kurt Angle's final matches in both WWE and TNA? Who would you like to see Kurt or Sting face in their final matches? How much longer do you believe they will be active in TNA? Do you think Sting will ever have a match in WWE? Should they win their final match or put over talent? Leave that and more in the comment section below. Thanks for reading!
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Booking Kofi to the top
Top 10 moments: Kurt Angle's career
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A God Entranced Vision of All Things: The Legacy of Jonathan Edwards
"Useful men are some of the greatest blessings of a people. To have many such is more for a people's happiness than almost anything, unless it be God's own gracious, spiritual presence amongst them; they are precious gifts of heaven." Certainly one of the most useful men in evangelical history was the man who preached those words, pastor and theologian Jonathan Edwards. Commemorating his 300th birthday, general editors John Piper and Justin Taylor chose ten essays that highlight different aspects of Edwards's life and legacy and show how his teachings are just as relevant today as they were three centuries ago. Even within the church, many people know little more about Edwards than what is printed in American history textbooks-most often, e
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The Hobo and the Zen MasterSituation puzzles (sometimes called lateral thinking puzzles) are ones where you need to ask lots of yes or no questions to figure out what happened in the situation. These are good puzzles for groups where one person knows the puzzle and answers the questions.
A hobo had just been kicked off the train by one of the bosses. As he made his way down a dusty side road, he noticed a saffron robed man sitting next to a campfire apparently deep in thought. A wonderful smelling stew was bubbling in a pot next to him. It had been a full day since the hobo's last meal, so he went over to the man and tapped him on the shoulder.
"I see by your robes that you are some kind of holy man," said the hobo.
The Zen Master turned to the hobo and said, "You speak the truth."
The hobo spoke, "I would sure like to try the stew you have on the campfire there; perhaps if I could tell you something to increase your wisdom, you will agree to share your meal."
The Zen Master turned to the hobo and said, "Please, you are welcome to share my meal because you have already increased my wisdom!"
What had the Zen Master learned from the hobo to increase his wisdom?
HintThe lesson was taught before the hobo spoke.
AnswerThe Zen Master learned that he should find a more private place to meditate if he doesn't want to be interrupted by every vagabond that happens by.
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