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Intel Discovers Bug in 6-Series Chipset: Our Analysisby Anand Lal Shimpi on 1/31/2011 12:43 PM EST
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HangFire - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkFirst? Reply
Ualdayan - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkDoes Anandtech pick which ads get featured at the top of each article or is it random chance that this article has this ad right beside the subject: Buy the AMD HDT55TFBGRBOX Phenom II X6 Thuban <Newegg price> <Ecost price> <Bestbuy price> Reply
PrinceGaz - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkI very much doubt it, because when I read the article, the ad at the top was for the ASRock P67/H67 motherboard series, which I doubt will result in very many sales from the ad given the content of the article :p Reply
yorynot - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkAds are picked by tracking cookies..... Reply
NERo1973 - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkSteve Jobs advice is: "Just use the 6Gbps ports instead" :-)) Reply
B3an - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkMaybe the people who found this issue were just holding the motherboards wrong. Reply
MDme - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkI thought he said: It's not a bug, it's a feature! Reply
Klober - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkWrong Steve...that would be Ballmer, not Jobs. :) Reply
vol7ron - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkNot according to Adobe Flash, or tethering Jailbreakers, or anyone that wants to find a word in iOS Safari, or anyone that wants to have a gesture lock/unlock combination in iOS, or anyone that thinks a "find my phone" feature should be free. Reply
Stas - Tuesday, February 01, 2011 - linktoo many lulz :D Reply
Oxford Guy - Tuesday, February 01, 2011 - linkUm... Faulty Nvidia GPUs.
Did Apple recall them and replace the defective GPUs?
Too bad for the people who paid big bucks for their MacBook Pros and AppleCare. Reply
ABR - Tuesday, February 01, 2011 - linkI realize it's "cool" to diss Apple but this statement is false. You could bring your Macbook in whether it was or wasn't under warranty and get the Nvidia chip (actually the whole motherboard) replaced free of charge. I had it done a few months ago on a 3.5-year-old pro. Reply
mrd0 - Tuesday, February 01, 2011 - linkNo recall...you could bring it in...if you knew about the issue. Just like with the old plastic MacBooks and the chipping problem. Apple will replace the keyboard and bezel if you happen to take it in. But they sure as hell wasn't going to notify you that they indeed had a quality problem that they would fix for free. Reply
Oxford Guy - Tuesday, February 01, 2011 - linkIt's not even that simple. Quite the contrary.
The bottom line is that Apple didn't issue a recall and has passed the burden onto customers. Reply
Oxford Guy - Tuesday, February 01, 2011 - linkWhat a misleading post.
But, I do hope you enjoy your replacement GPU, since it's just as defective as the other one was. Reply
AstroGuardian - Tuesday, February 01, 2011 - linkSuckers! Reply
HangFire - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkI thought it was "You're installing it wrong." Reply
Marlin1975 - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkOK which is it???
"some complaints from its customers about failures. Early last week Intel duplicated and confirmed the failure in house."
"Intel told me that it hasn't been made aware of a single failure seen by customers."
Oh really? So intel is not trying to hide anything you say. Reply
HangFire - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkIt might be the difference between retail/consumer "customer" and OEM/Board MFG "customer".
Anyway, it looks like they spilled the beans immediately, hardly conspiracy theory fodder. Reply
veri745 - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkYou misquoted your second quote: "Intel told me that it hasn't been made aware of a single failure seen by end users."
The difference is between "customers" and "end user". Intel's customers for its chipsets are OEMs and board manufacturers. End users are you and me. Reply
Anand Lal Shimpi - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkI updated the article to clarify after seeing the post :)
Take care,
Anand Reply
djgandy - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkWell you are arguing with yourself :-)
The article says:
"On its conference call to discuss the issue, Intel told me that it hasn't been made aware of a single failure seen by end users."
Customers are Asus, Acer, Dell etc..
End users are us. Reply
Marlin1975 - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkSee above Anand has edited the article. I quoted before the edit. Reply
mmatis - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkjust borrow Steve Jobs to show them the Apple workaround for this? After all, he IS in the Intel house now. And has a lot of experience dealing with this sort of "feature"...
}:-] Reply
jonup - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkJobs:
Why are you using the SATA2 ports when you have the new shiny SATA3 ports? You using the wrong ports. It's not our fault. Reply
ImSpartacus - Monday, January 31, 2011 - link"You're plugging it in wrong." Reply
Oxford Guy - Tuesday, February 01, 2011 - linkYou guys clearly don't know Apple well.
"Buy this newer product."
That's what I got when I asked Apple why OS X couldn't play audio CDs without spinning the CD drive in my Powerbook G4 at full speed, while OS 9 was silent -- spinning at the proper 1x speed. Wait and buy the next version of OS X...
If you saw the original Mac demo and thought you were getting a computer that could talk like the demo unit.... sucker! The RAM was not upgradable nor was the 512k demo unit available for sale.
and so forth... Reply
Oxford Guy - Tuesday, February 01, 2011 - linkThe next version of OS X didn't fix the problem either, by the way. And, perhaps my favorite Apple shaft of all-time is the original version of OS X Server that couldn't even use Apple's own Firewire.
Haha... Lameness of legendary proportions. Reply
Oxford Guy - Tuesday, February 01, 2011 - linkSorry... I have to add this. The original version of OS X Server cost $500 and had no upgrade path to the "real" version (not even a paltry $50 discount).
But, it's not a bug, it's a feature... Planned obsolescence to the point of selling broken software. If Apple sells machines with Firewire ports bundled with OS X Server (desktop towers as "servers" no less) and those ports don't work... Well, Apple did that.
I guess they don't think like Intel does, though. No recalls there! Reply
Ranyuncho - Tuesday, February 01, 2011 - linkyeah maybe he could show you how to wrap a rubberband around that sata port to make it work right just like the fix for the iphone Reply
AmdInside - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkMy x58 chipset motherboard has gone bad (won't recognize all 6GB of memory). When I read reviews for motherboards on Newegg while shopping for replacement x58 motherboard, I keep seeing reports of SATA controller failing to work after a while. I wonder if this problem might be present in x58 chipset motherboards as well. Reply
mapesdhs - Monday, January 31, 2011 - link
If you're overclocking, try running the RAM at its normal rated speed, or lower,
ie. don't overclock the RAM.
Do some Googling, you'll find loads of advice on numerous forums about this issue.
Ian. Reply
Vidmo - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkGuess I'll wait to put on that third party heat sink on my 2500K.
FYI: I just did a whole bunch of decoding off DVDs and CDs this weekend on three SATA drives all at the same time, no issues (yet).
Hmm might be time to invest in Arctic Silver stock... Reply
seamusmc - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkWhy? Its a chipset issue, not a cpu issue. Reply
nubbinator - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkEveryone who has an 1155 mobo right now should be swapping out their current board for a replacement with the issue fixed. Accordingly, the CPU and heatsink will need to be re-seated, thus the need for a TIM like AS5. Reply
Vidmo - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkI wonder how many CPUs and/or sockets are going to get ruined with all of the swapping that's about to happen in April.
Sounds like a business opportunity to provide a service for some people who may not be comfortable swapping out their boards. Granted these are likely to be tech inclined early adopters in any case, but you never know.
Hmm maybe even make a premium service by purchasing boards upfront and doing the swaps right then are there for someone. No cross ship or waiting for a replacement necessary. Reply
Vidmo - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkThis could also be a huge opportunity for CPU heat sink manufacturers too.
I can see the marketing hype now:
"Swapping out that Sandy Bride MB! You're in LUCK! Why not install the latest Turbo Genesis Fractal 2000 Cooler!" Reply
Vidmo - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkBridge not Bride. Reply
Vidmo - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkMaybe a CPU cooler roundup next month would be a good idea. Reply
Etern205 - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkEnd users who has a Sandy Bridge system right now are mostly techies in which changing a motherboard will be a walk in the park.
Users who don't know about Sandy Bridge are most likely still rocking a Pentium 4 and even if they have a Sandy Bridge, most will be from OEM like Dell, HP, etc. So if there is a problem all they have to do is send it back and let the manufacture to take care of it.
Your "providing service" is a EPIC FAIL. Reply
spunlex - Monday, January 31, 2011 - link"It's like Intel's RRoD, but without the years of denial."
I believe you mean Microsoft's RRoD problem not Intel's. Reply
Sapiens - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkThe sentence makes sense to me. He's saying it's Intel's version of the RRoD. Reply
marc1000 - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkthis "RRoD" problem belongs to Intel. but it is not a RRoD at all, this was just manner of speaking. we all understood what he meant ;) Reply
omelet - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkApparently not all of us did =] Reply
DeaDSOuLz - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkMy SandyBridge Machine loses 2 drives every-time my machine goes to sleep, so I had to disable sleep mode. I wonder if this is what is causing it..... Reply
nirolf - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkIf those drives are big (>=1TB) you may be getting this one:
When you resume a computer from sleep or from hibernation, the SATA hard disk drivers require the SATA hard disks to be ready within 10 seconds. However, a large SATA hard disk may take longer than 10 seconds to be ready. In this situation, the resume operation times out.
I had the same issue as you and that patch solved it. Reply
inslee - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkI had the same issue on my 2TB drives and that hotfix from MS fixed it for me. Reply
Mad1723 - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkOk, now it is really annoying! I have my i7 2600k, my Corsair Vengeance, but I can't order my Maximus IV Extreme motherboard and probably won't be able to for the next weeks :'( It was out of stock for the last 2 weeks, and now this bug will just push it further away from me! My poor CPU is looking at me from the shelf.
Well, I guess I'm in for a month of wait :( Reply
marc1000 - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linksend that cpu to me, I don't bother waiting
just kidding. =D
I was postponing any purchase due to high launch prices, but now I will have to wait until Z68 arrives... (wich is a safer bet anyway). Reply
Gigantopithecus - Monday, January 31, 2011 - link...why would anyone buy a Z68 board for an SNB cpu when Bulldozer will follow on its heels a month or two later? I could understand not wanting to wait the six months from the initial launch of SNB to Bulldozer's ETA, but now, well, I expect sales of SNB cpus to drop like a rock until BD's performance is more well-known. Reply
theangryintern - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkWith AMD's latest track record, Bulldozer's performance will be equal to Nehalem. I'd love to be proven wrong, but lately they're latest'n'greatest has been on par with Intel's previous generation. Reply
HangFire - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkGreat! I'm glad to hear that AMD will continue to be far better in I/O, especially USB, than Intel's last TWO generations. Reply
Tegeril - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkLet me know how your USB overclocks for better performance are going. Really? USB performance? Reply
HangFire - Tuesday, February 01, 2011 - linkNo need to overclock on AMD. You see, AMD runs USB 3 on PCIe 2.0 at 2.0 speeds, and you can have more than 2. Intel 1156 runs USB on PCIe 2.0 at 1.x speeds (2.5MT/s) and 1155 still has a limited number of channels compared to 890GX/FX.
That is why you see so many AMD boards in industrial control and removable storage appliances. You have to go to the pricey X-58 motherboards to get equivalent USB connectivity and throughput.
So, yes, really. USB performance. Reply
Zoomer - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkThat's ok if I can get i7 920 level performance at $100, without factoring in overclocking. Have no need for the IGP crap on die anyway. Reply
austonia - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkso everyone who has bought a SB-based motherboard, PC or laptop is going to have to return it? that's a lot of wasted hardware if the new chip can't be retrofitted. and expensive. even a billion dollars seems like a lowball number to fully replace everything. glad Intel owned up to the problem though. Reply
RikkiTikkiTavi - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkThank goodness ASUS put an extra Marvel S-ATA controller on their boards. Four 6-GB ports should be plenty. Lets' see if I can maybe get some of my money back, anyway.
Or alternatively, a free T-Shirt would be nice. Reply
jhony_richter - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkwhere you read that is a Marvel S-ATA is Asus boards?
you know if in the Asus n53sv -A1 notebook have a Marvel S-ATA? Reply
aarste - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkIs it possible Intel could implement the fix for the 23.976 fps bug into the new chipsets going into production, or is this a problem in the CPUs themselves? Reply
nikclev - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkAs I understand it, there is no 23.976 "bug" to be fixed. That is to say that the P/H67's are working as intended in this regard, providing you with 24fps.
In other words, they didn't promise it to you, so you won't get it "fixed"
I believe I understand your point, however. While I'm sure it's possible to do, it would add additional time and R&D and validation costs. I really doubt Intel will add any "new" features in a bugfix, especially a bugfix of this magnitude. (After all, this is -huge-... every single shipped P/H67 motherboard/laptop will have to be sent back, and the northbridge replaced.)
On a totally separate note, I read this this morning and was -very- PO'd.... My brand new shiny SB motherboard is sitting at home, waiting for my RAM to arrive so I could assemble my system. And of course, I bought an Intel brand motherboard, which comes with only 2 6Gbs Sata ports... Kinda sucks as I have three hard drives and a DVD drive I intended to attach to it... Reply
HangFire - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkI'm sure Intel will get around to 23.976 versus 24... perhaps in the next socket. Maybe they'll call it Socket 1154. Reply
gunblade - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkNo, it is only a metal respin, no logic level change. Reply
ahurtt - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkThanks for the info and for being on top of this so quickly! Reply
pa-fun - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkThe P67 here seems to be working fine so far. We'll see what the future brings.
Would have been nice if we had more tech details, but they kind of cut you off. Everybody else seems to be focusing on the financial details.
One answere to a comment earlier - yes Intel talks about OEM's as customers and then refers to end users in a different category. At this point they "know of no end user's with the problem". Given how may bugs there are with Sandy Bridge right now, probably a tough thing to know absolutely.
Their exact numbers are 5% failure at 3 years in a typical notebook enviroment (I assume that's a hot system). Their 24/7 number is 15% at 3 years. On a normal motheboard with good cooling - who know what the rate would be.
So much fun.... Reply
omelet - Monday, January 31, 2011 - link> At this point they "know of no end user's with the problem". Given how may bugs there are with Sandy Bridge right now, probably a tough thing to know absolutely.
There's a big difference between saying "I know of no end users with the problem" and saying "I know that no end users have the problem."
All the were saying is that they were not aware of any end users who had had the problem. Reply
lasalasa - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkI have an Asus P8P67 Deluxe. It has four SATA 2's and four SATA 3's(2 used by Intel's PCH and 2 by third party Marvel controller)
Is it safe for me to use the SATA 3 connectors via the Intel PCH? or are they referring to the third party controller?
Any chance of getting an Intel rep to comment on this? Reply
ahurtt - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkThe article plainly stated that it is the Intel SATA 2 (3Gb/s) ports that are affected by this problem. None of the other ones are affected. Using the Intel SATA 3 and the Marvell SATA 3 ports you should be fine. Reply
ahurtt - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkTake note though, I have the P8P67 Pro which sounds like it has the same number and type of controllers your Deluxe does and the Asus website has a note on the motherboard specs that says the Marvell ports are not for use with ATAPI devices (which I take to mean, don't hook up CD/DVD drives to them). Maybe you already knew that but I just happened to notice it today. Reply
anubis44 - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkSorry, I know it's immature and ungracious, but I just can't resist... ha ha ha!
Well, I guess there IS some justice in the world after all.
Go AMD. Reply
omelet - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkI wonder if these types of comments will ever stop bothering me.
Seriously folks, they're just companies. If they provide the product you're looking for at a price you're looking for, then buy their product. If their competitor has a product with price, performance, and features more suited to your needs, go for that. Especially with Sandy Bridge out at a compelling price point, there are valid markets of people for each of the companies' products. Reply
seamusmc - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkGary Key has been helping folks on HardOCP's and Xtreme's forums with ASUS mobo issues and SATA issues have been a significant issue. He said in a post on HardOCP that this was the first he heard of it and that he had been told the issues would be resolved with a frimware update as well as an update to Intel's RST drivers.
This makes sense though, many people are having no issues at all, while a few are having inexplicable issues with SATA. I know a few folks have posted some very disappointing benches for their drives, ssd or hdd, while others show very good perf. Reply
GeorgeH - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkDoesn't HM65 have two 6Gbps SATA ports? If those are unaffected, I don't see why laptop makers could just not use the broken 3Gbps ports; most laptops don't support more than two SATA devices. The only problem I see would be eSATA connectivity, but USB 3.0 should take care of that. Reply
Mailia - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkNote, MacBook Pros are safe and sound. It's an issue with Cougar Point, which is for the desktops. Reply
anubis44 - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkIf that's true, why are Sandybridge notebooks being delayed now? Reply
cbass64 - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkCPT is the chipset for SNB laptops and desktops...and servers. But the laptop boards only have 2 internal SATA ports and they are both the unaffected Gen3 ports. The ODD and e-sata ports are Gen2 so it's possible that they are affected by this issue. Reply
Squuiid - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkFrom Macrumors.com:
While initial reports had suggested that the issue is limited to desktop versions of the platform, Cougar Point is in fact used in both desktop and mobile chipsets based on Sandy Bridge, indicating that the recall could also delay available of Apple notebooks such as MacBook Pros.
http://www.macrumors.com/2011/01/31/intel-announce... Reply
blowfish - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkI'm so glad this didn't happen to AMD! At least Intel have tons of money, but it might have been very serious for AMD. Reply
HangFire - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkEven though I mock Intel, I wouldn't wish this on any company. Perhaps the only benefit is that small firms may benefit from refit jobs. I hope the OEM's spread the wealth and not totally centralize refits.
Either way, UPS and FedEx will probably be the primary beneficiaries here.
Perhaps the takeaway here is, a breakneck development pace sometimes results in broken necks. I hope both AMD and Intel learn enough not to get into this position again... remember the Phenom (non-II) cache issue? The Intel Pentium Floating Point bug? I guess stuff like this is inevitable in this industry... just hope it stays occasional. Reply
evan_s - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkYou describe it as "In these situations the problem doesn't appear on every chip in every situation, but on every nth chip out of every n x somereallybignumber chips." which doesn't seem to match what Intel has said and doesn't match with their behavior either. They wouldn't be recalling ALL chipset's they've produced if 1 in 100 had a problem.
The issue sounds more like electromigration, or some similar issue, which causes it to wear out and fail over time and will likely affect all chipset's produced eventually. This fits more with the recall and the need to rev the chip.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromigration Reply
radializer - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkA "Statistical" failure is exactly what is mentioned in the article - and that is exactly what you have described.
A statistical failure mode (and yes, electromigration *is* such a mode) is one that affects some percent of your units over time.
Assuming your example of a 1% fail rate @ a given time ... if a million units were shipped, you cannot ever predict which exact units will fail ... but you can predict that roughly 10,000 of them would fail.
Therefore, the recall has to target all units ... one cannot selectively recall the units expected to fail, as one doesn't know how to choose them. Reply
omelet - Monday, January 31, 2011 - link> They wouldn't be recalling ALL chipset's they've produced if 1 in 100 had a problem.
What, would they just recall the 1 in 100 that happen to be affected? That's impossible, given that they have no way of knowing which specific boards would need to be recalled and which would not. As mentioned in the article, the problem does not manifest itself until after a long-term period of use; it is not apparent right away whether the board may turn out to be faulty.
If a random 1 in 50 frozen White Castle hamburgers would cause the eaters to contract a virulent disease, they wouldn't go through the supermarkets and people's freezer's with some sort of medical scanning equipment to see specifically which ones were infected and then recall that 2%, they would just recall all the burgers that potentially COULD be affected, including the 98% that are disease-free. Reply
spigzone - Monday, January 31, 2011 - link"If you're going to have to wait to buy anyway I would recommend waiting until Z68 motherboards hit the market."
Bulldozer anyone? Reply
seamusmc - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkI've been waiting for the issues with P67 to get cleared up before finally upgrading after years of waiting and was about to grab an Asus Sabertooth P67. I have been using a QX9650 and X6800 for years and they've been great. Before these I had those awesome Athlon 64 x2's.
Now that I have to wait anyway, (going for the Z68 now), I've started digging into Bulldozer and its looking to be very interesting. Reply
LostPassword - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkGlad I decided to wait for z-series. Reply
warisz00r - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkNow I have to wait even LONGER to replace my 3-year old Acer shittop. Reply
aka_Warlock - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkWhat impact would this have had on AMD's sales if they could kick Bulldozer out right now? :)
So much for "Intel inside" i guess... not the first time they messed up either. Reply
omelet - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkBoth companies mess up occasionally. Remember the original Phenom's TLB bug?
I mean, I'd love to see Bulldozer come out right now, too, and I hope it performs nicely, but this isn't something to start hating a company for. They did a reasonable amount of testing, and the problem didn't show up, and now that they know there's a problem they're doing a recall. They're being a responsible company. Reply
CharonPDX - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkApple only uses two SATA ports. Why not just use the "bad" stock that already exists and just use only the 6 Gbps ports? (Unless Apple is finally going to add an eSATA port, in which case, hooray, and the delay is acceptable.)
Same goes with the Mac mini, at least. Although the iMac now has three SATA ports in use (one for optional SSD, one for spinning HD, one for optical,) so iMac can't get updated yet. Reply
blowfish - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkIt's also sad to think of all those MOBO's being chunked, when they could obviously be used by people knowing their limitations (i.e. restircting SATA connected items to the 6GBps ports) I'm sure there would be plenty of takers for bargain 6 series boards - but Intel have to protect their margins, I suppose. Reply
gstrickler - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkThey won't be thrown out, they'll replace the chipset on the motherboard and use it as a replacement unit. Reply
Pylon757 - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkProbably not that easy to desolder. The chipsets are BGA and those aren't exactly easy to desolder without busting the whole board. Reply
piroroadkill - Tuesday, February 01, 2011 - linkIt's possible, I've seen BGAs being reflowed, but these are probably much more fiddly. Reply
havoti97 - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkAt least they didn't call it a feature :D Reply
ET - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkIt's a good thing for Intel that the main competition for its chips are other Intel chips. By the time AMD has something competitive on the market this problem will be long gone.
Thanks for the comprehensive coverage, Anand. Reply
Maverick494 - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkI was about || that close to ordering a laptop based on the sandybridge intel setup, but now this makes me wonder if they are going to be affected as well. Reply
NERo1973 - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkSteve Jobs advice is: "Just use the 6Gbps ports instead" :-)) Reply
jedighost - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkif you use not so many HDDs, get one of these, drop a PCI-E Sata expansion card into it for your optical drives, and voilá, you might have gotten a system for cheap (and use the 6Gbs ports for you HDD/SSD). Reply
jedighost - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkguranttess= guarantees
you HDD= your HDD Reply
xeopherith - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkI just bought an SNB board this week. Damnit. Reply
Pugnate - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkWhat if I still bought the board and just used the first two SATA ports? I'd be fine for a lifetime right? I can't wait till April. Reply
Rasterman - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkThe fact that the first 2 SATA ports aren't effected really needs to be pushed up into the headlines more, because of this I doubt I will deal with the hassle of returning my board, I only use 1 port, and probably won't even use 2, let alone 6. I would guess the majority of users will not use over 2. It would also be much easier and cheaper for me to simply pop in a SATA card rather than switching out a MB.
The flaw sucks and should have been caught, but I respect Intel for being so open about this issue. They could have easily buried it or played it off to other causes down the line. Reply
s44 - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkBoot drive, data drive, optical drive: that's three.
Incidentally, Fermi actually works. Perhaps Anand meant Phenom? Reply
bigboxes - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkAnand meant Fermi. Maybe it is you who's forgotten nVidia's recent troubles. Reply
omelet - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkThe Fermi that was released works, but it was delayed for a long time due to design flaws that got revised before release. Reply
MrBlonde - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkI was just about to order an Asus P68Pro. I still will order one today, but now I know what to bias towards if my drives start to crash/disappear from OS. Reply
MrBlonde - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkP8P67 Pro model, typo from above... and now it's product page is not accessible on Newegg.com Reply
tasteelingus - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkAnybody happen to know if it's the controller that has the problem or the individual ports? In other words, is the entire bank of 3 GB/s ports going to fail at once, or will it be one at a time? Reply
laok - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkSince the 2 SATA III are not affected, they can just use 1 of these two for optical drive, and the other 1 for for hard drive.
Generally, only 2 sata ports will be used for a laptop. Reply
Penti - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkBecause they are recalling the chipsets? 3Gbps ports are still a feature of HM65/7 or the mobile chipsets, and lots of latops use the esata feature. Which with this chipset is the bad 3Gbps ports. Generally it's pretty common using at least three SATA-ports. Reply
Cr0nJ0b - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkI'm wondering what the impact of this would be with Intel's RAID running? On my current system I have a 4 drive sata RAID set running with a SSD boot device and a couple of Opticals. I'm thinking...what happens over time if the RAID system starts seeing more and more SATA errors. I would guess that there would be a chance that write's would fail, but wouldn't there also be a higher chance that you would see data corruption of the volume? If the SATA buss is throwing errors all the time, what is the probability that their error correction would miss a couple of them and hose the volume. Having a sata drive or port go down would be bad, but corrupting a volume would be catastrophic. Reply
bigboxes - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkThis is not good news. My condolences to x67 users. What an inconvenience! Reply
cmdrdredd - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkThings like this happen from time to time. I am not a beta tester. I don't want first run production hardware until it has been thoroughly tested and everything cleared up. Reply
krumme - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkI know its not intended, but from my view, this article taste a little bit Intel PR ish. Reply
bigboxes - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkIt's not something that AnandTech has uncovered. Anand is just reporting the problem and given his analysis. Now, you understand the nature of the problem, the costs involved to fix the problem and what fixes will have to be made. What else do you want? Do you want to hear that Intel was bad in not catching this defect sooner? To me it looks like Intel did not cover this up (not like they really could) and will have to pay considerably for the fix. It's a PR nightmare. Doing it this way Intel is just "ripping the band-aid off" and getting it over with. Reply
krumme - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkWhat is the purpose of Anandtech?
I want to hear something i dont know, - get some new insight. And i have high expectations.
Anand have a personal network to get more views on the subject, and more perspective, economical consequences in detail, technical reasons, and effects for the market.
No need to rush the article. Like it is, it could just have been written by Intel itself (except that Anand is just plain better explaining it :)) - but its the same taste. We dont have to be naive about this, Intel knows (expect) what Anand can and will do in this situation. I am not saying its an easy balance. Reply
bigboxes - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkYou're getting to worked up over nothing. I'm sure this article will drop off the front page as soon as people get their information. It is important since so many (on this site) are currently upgrading to the new platform. Reply
krumme - Tuesday, February 01, 2011 - linkWell apparently not :). 1B is not a small issue in my world. So is the small timelime between promised volume and the announcement. This is news as you can see. Reply
marraco - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkFrom the buyer viewpoint:
How we will be able to know if a motherboard on the shelve contains a failed chipset, or a debugged one?
They should rename the chipset, so it is easy to tell the difference. Otherwise they are hoping to catch unaware customers, and bet that some will never take notice until the guarantee is gone.
And please, don't tell me that all the mothers will be recalled. I know that on my country many retailers will never be aware of this problem. Reply
Shadowmaster625 - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkMaybe if intel wasnt playing games with their own proprietary crap they are eager to foist all over us, they wouldnt have dropped the ball on USB3/SATA3. Reply
HangFire - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkRIMM anyone?
Yeah, I can't help but thinking, if they made ALL the ports SATA 3, they would have been OK. Of course, cost issues had to win out... Reply
Burticus - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkYou know someone at AMD is screaming their head off that Bulldozer isn't currently shipping. They could have had a free month with no competition from Intel. Reply
HangFire - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkHmm... this makes me wonder what Intel will do to hold down the fort. Price cuts on Nehalem and X-58, anyone? I'll be watching MicroCenters prices carefully! Reply
PingLu - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkdoes anyone have information concerning mobile motherboards especially those going out to lenovo and dell? Are they producing their own ones or are they using SATA parts from Intel?
Will the new Latitude model from Dell (65x0) be delayed?!
thanks for any kind of information about this!! Reply
EddyKilowatt - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkSo, any clues as to what they actually found wrong, down at the die/metal level?
I'm curious what would cause gradual deterioration of performance in a nominally digital system.
Electromigration? Trapped/injected charge? Thresholds drifting for some reason? (Can you tell I know a little bit about hardware, but almost nothing about 32nm fabrication or physics?) Reply
bernpi - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkOkay that's really bad for intel and all the users who will replace their motherboards. I thought about it and i will not replace my motherboard! I have my SSD and HDD on the 6Gbps ports allready and just the DVD drive on the old SATA 2 ports (and i use it only once in a while). There is still the marvell controller on my board which i could use. So i don't take all the trouble in replacing my motherboard. Reply
Sparky66 - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkToo bad Intel was too greedy and wouldn't extend the license to nVidia to keep making chipsets. Hindsight is 20/20 I guess. Reply
HangFire - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkInteresting thought, but it would only apply to C2D. Too much AMD IP in those Sandy Bridge and Nehalem on-board memory controllers. Reply
Makaveli - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkI feel for all you guys that built SB systems.
This is yet another case of early adopters getting screwed!!!!!
Is anyone taking notes yet?
This is the reason you don't buy first gen products regardless of performance!
And it shows bugs like this can happen to even a large company like intel with all their testing.
Had this of been amd and not intel I can probably say we could have started to dig their grave already. Reply
sor - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkDUDE. I'd totally pay $50 for a top of the line P67 with potentially defective SATA 2 ports. I was going to use my own LSI card anyway. Too bad they're not offering them cheap. Reply
vol7ron - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkYeah. Screw the recall, just send a brand new one if they want one.
I'm so curious how Z68 will be priced. It sounds like it's going to be much higher than P67 for that added OC capability.
Intel should just say, "screw it ... we're dropping P and sticking to Z" Reply
CZroe - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkWould a Macbook Pro actually use the additional ports? If not, I can't see them getting delayed. Also, some of the costs may be negated by using the chips in refurb boards and notebooks with only 2x SATA bays. Most contries have laws against using refurb parts in new products but they could always donate them as laptops to needy children or something for a tax write-off. Reply
Pylon757 - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkCan't they just give everyone who bought a defective board a free PCI-E SATA controller? Reply
wolfman3k5 - Monday, January 31, 2011 - linkAs a disgruntled owner of a Sandy Bridge Platform (Intel Core i7 2600K + ASUS P67EVO), and a man who spent his hard earned money on this crap, I would like to say this to Intel: Fuck you Intel, I'm switching to AMD. Last time it was the fucking socket on the previous LGA1156 platform, this time are the SATA ports, what's next? It's costing me money, and I don't like it. I take the "lesser" performance of a AMD Phenom X6 1100T over this crap any day. Once again: Fuck you Intel, I had enough, I'm switching to AMD. Reply
silverblue - Tuesday, February 01, 2011 - linkWhoa, calm down... you can get a refund. I'm sure fixed boards will be available soon enough if you would prefer to hang onto that SNB.
(P.S. I'm jealous as I don't have the money to purchase such a system. :P) Reply
anubis44 - Tuesday, February 01, 2011 - linkWelcome to the Rebel Alliance, wolfman3k5. You'll be very happy with your Phenom II X6. I've had my Phenom II X2 550BE with all 4 cores unlocked, all clocked to 3.6GHz running smooth as butter for the last 2 years on a Gigabyte GA-790X UDP3 crossfire motherboard. CPU cost me $120 and the board was about $130. Looking at putting a couple of 6950s into it next, since the machine is far more GPU than CPU limited. It's been funny watching people upgrade 3 sockets during the time I've kept my trusty socket AM2+ motherboard... now you'll be able to enjoy great performance, reliability, reasonable prices and acceptable upgrade cycles for your mobo, too! Reply
catommy - Tuesday, February 01, 2011 - linkregularly having to switch around sata ports when ssd drive not found in bios could these be related also my optical drive also not working for some time now mb msi P55 gd80 processor i5 655k ssd kingston snvp325s264gb dvdcd gh22ls40 ata my so called remedy is flash cmos when necessary including switching out sata cables from devices and ports anyway my dvd drive has not worked again ssd still ticking are these one in the same because of type of chip just wondering Reply
papapapapapapapababy - Tuesday, February 01, 2011 - linkintel has such a shiity chipsets is mind blowing.... my first builds i used VIA chipsets ( from the barton er, till my old amd64 x2builds) super reliable, never a problem. first intel builds with intel chimpsets? million problems, sata problems, cold boot problems, errata this errata that, microcodeupdate this update that, use the ports 1, but not the 2345, raid corruption, swap to ide mode... TERRIBLE XD Reply
HangFire - Tuesday, February 01, 2011 - linkVia KT266A may have been legendary, but KT266 was epic... fail.
It was one year of BIOS updates before I had a semi-stable machine. By that time, it was nearly obsolete.
Via chipsets, no more, no thanks. Reply
Beenthere - Tuesday, February 01, 2011 - linkIntel makes so much money, often via violation of law, that this little financial set-back won't bother them at all. Reply
Teknobug - Tuesday, February 01, 2011 - linkSo that explains why a handful of P67 boards disappeared off Newegg. Reply
ghitz - Tuesday, February 01, 2011 - linkA handful? All of them. Reply
wolfman3k5 - Tuesday, February 01, 2011 - linkIt doesn't matter how I try to spin this in my head, I just can't eat this crap out. The positive spin that Anandtech is trying o push is also laughable at best: "wait for the Z68, a great chipset...". Aham... the P67 was supposed to be good as well. I mean, all new AMD 8xx series chipsets have 6 SATA 6Gb/s ports by default that work perfectly fine, yet Intel had to give us only two SATA 6Gb/s ports, and four SATA 3Gb/s ports. Aren't you getting a little greedy Mr. Intel? I mean, I don't know what to call it? Divine Intervention or Karma? But you're loosing about 1 Billion Dollars Mr. Intel on this fiasco. It is 2011, and a hardware bug like this is simply unacceptable. If I didn't know any better I would say that shit happens, and something more sophisticated like say Cache issues or memory controller issues, or some sort of stupid complex bug, would be acceptable. But SATA port issues? And if I'm reading right it's all because of the manufacturing process!!! I mean, Mr. Intel, how fucking greedy are you mate? Read my lips: GET IT RIGHT THE FIRST FUCKING TIME! Honest to God! I swear, I don't give two donkey craps and 5 cents for the replacements that are coming out! I mean, this is the question that all of you that have bought into Sandy Bridge (myself included) should be asking: is Intel's colossal fuck up worth the time that you'll be spending disassembling your computer, going to the post office, waiting for about two weeks on a replacement, then reassembling your computer with the new board (and God forbid, maybe during shipping the replacement got screwed u), then re-installing Windows (hopefully it won't be necessary, but most people will have to anyway). Hey Mr. Intel, are you feeling my anger, mate? I mean, I'm pissed, so pissed that instead of doing all the work that I've just described, I'm switching to your competitor. I got a Phenom II X6 1100t + a Gigabyte 890FX on the way from NewEgg. By the way, the Phenom II X6 1090t is $199.99 now, and the Phenom II X6 1100t is $239.99. Sweet prices! I just wanted to enjoy my workstation with Sandy Bridge, and do my software development, and use all of my 6 hard drives + two Blu Ray burners... That's all I wanted. And I need this system to be bullet proof reliable. I hope that FOR CRYING OUT LOUD an Intel rep. will talk about this issue to us, the fricking enthusiast community! Reply
ghitz - Tuesday, February 01, 2011 - linkAgreed! It seems to these titans that our time is worth s***t. Reply
ghitz - Tuesday, February 01, 2011 - linkI did RMA all my stuff back to the egg. Reply
ClagMaster - Tuesday, February 01, 2011 - linkIn the meantime, I expect there will be an opportunity to get a discounted Sandybridge until some P67/H67 become available with the fixed chipset.
I agree, this kind of bug stinks.
If you think this bug is bad, do you remember the bug the first Phenom processors had. Required a BIOS fix and operated at slower speed than it should.
AMD did not recall these processors. Intel, however, is recalling their bad chipsets. Reply
ghitz - Tuesday, February 01, 2011 - linkVery true, probably AMD could have been in a really bad financial situation if they initiated a full recall, on the other hand Intel has the resources. Reply
ClagMaster - Tuesday, February 01, 2011 - linkHaving Intel confess the failings of the P67/H67 after investigating this bug, then offering replacement motherboards is a very professional act of an industry leader.
Intel really does stand behind their products with a SOLID warranty.
I was about ready to invest in a H67 motherboard but decided to wait awhile.
I am not a first adopter because of similar problems I have experenced over the years. I prefer to wait until a Revision 2 or 3 motherboard is available before purchasing. Reply
peternelson - Tuesday, February 01, 2011 - link
Prior to the official announcement of Sandy Bridge, most people continued buying systems with last generation processors (salespeople understandably wanted to hit their holiday sales targets so would not mention the impending obsolescence even if they knew, to avoid losing the sale).
As for myself I knew about Sandy Bridge but needed something now, with many pcie lanes for I/O, and saw the socket 2011 systems put back a quarter and still far away, so purchased an X58 based system, with the idea to build a small cluster of SNB for AVX math when they became available.
Then came the official announcement and release of the new models with impressive benchmarks, reviews and news coverage.
Now that the support chipset for SNB in is known to be faulty I don't think people will want to buy systems with inherently faulty motherboards (which have the related hassle of later swapout, maybe having to do without your entire computer while parts are replaced), and in the case of UK seller Scan Computers (likely others too), it has suspended sales of SNB boards and systems already until further notice.
Until the silicon respin, putting the replacement chips on motherboards and distribution of those boards into the channel in volume (which I guess would take perhaps 2 months) this will likely almost put a halt on sales of performance systems as informed buyers hold off their purchases, and distributors don't want the hassle of processing returns of even more parts so will suspend sales.
By that time the other new chipset Z68 supporting both onboard video AND overclocking will be almost with us and I can't see many people investing in the existing chipset when the more flexible one is so close, again delaying purchases. Even if fixed, the original two chipsets may have a tarnished reputation from these problems (could I be sure my supplier gave me a fixed respin one vs the original ones that could fail sometime in future?).
Looking at the Intel stock price on Nasdaq, I don't see much of a drop in INTC stock yet.
In my view the cost of this problem is not just the estimated replacement cost of 1 billion, but also the missing, lost or delayed sales of new processors and systems over the rest of quarter1.
This affects not just shipments of the chipsets with the bug, but the new processors, since nobody has an error free board in which to run them until the fix is done and distributed. Rare possible sensible case to still buy one might be people who need to get coding apps that use AVX instructions and still hope to ship to their own release schedules, although such developers will be a very small minority and will need to avoid using the unreliable SATA ports. Even if all those delaying buyers eventually still go with Sandy Bridge (rather than consider waiting for AMD Bulldozer), the income from them will be late, resulting in interest charges or foregone earned interest, and delays in return on investment made in design and fabrication for these new generation processors and chipsets.
I don't yet see any regulatory news announcement giving investors an update to revised Quarter 1 sales estimates that I would expect over something like this. So far this SATA bug news is in the early adopter tech community on sites like Anandtech, but most of the finance types and investors may be unaware. I would think Intel should be giving them some heads up about the impact on revenue streams. Once the story is disseminated I imagine the stock would take a temporary drop, but Intel does deserve credit for recognising and owning up to the problem quickly.
I share Anand's conclusions about the puzzling segmentation of new chipset features and will wait for Z68. Combining this with the SATA bug discovery, I feel better about having bought into X58 as a step towards socket 2011. Reply
Zoolookuk - Tuesday, February 01, 2011 - linkMeh - I'm still pretty stoked about my MBP with an i7 and a 512GB SSD... Sandybridge can wait a while before making it obsolete. Reply
JohnZoidberg - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - link
(sorry for the caps, but this is insane)
"The fix requires new hardware, which means you will have to exchange your motherboard for a new one. "
"Interestingly enough the problem doesn't affect ports 0 & 1 on the 6-series chipset. Remember that Intel has two 6Gbps ports and four 3Gbps ports on P67/H67, only the latter four are impacted by this problem."
So why would they just don't give customers a choice.
choice 1:
25 or 50 $ because you can only use 2 ports
choice2 :
get 0 $ and a new MBO
I mean WTF... They will recall all MBOs? And I would guestimate that 80+% of the users use 1 or 2 ports. Reply
ghitz - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkMaybe there's more to the failure fiasco we don't know about. Reply
HangFire - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - link"So why would they just don't give customers a choice."
Intel wants to avoid this conversation:
Customer- I just got a great deal on a system from XYZ Corp, but FooTool says I need the M/B exchange.
Intel- Sorry, the $50 has already been payed out on the M/B.
Customer- What? I thought this was new stuff! I'm never buying Intel again! Reply
bckai - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkhttp://event.asus.com/2011/SandyBridge/notice/ Reply
ash9 - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkBoth of these statements cant be true!!!
Intel mentioned that after it had built over 100,000 chipsets it started to get some complaints from its customers about failures.
Intel expects that over 3 years of use it would see a failure rate of approximately 5 - 15% depending on usage model. Remember this problem isn't a functional issue but rather one of those nasty statistical issues, so by nature it should take time to show up in large numbers (at the same time there should still be some very isolated incidents of failure early on).
asH Reply
HangFire - Thursday, February 03, 2011 - link"some complaints" == "very isolated incidents of failure early on".
I don't see any problem here. Reply
banzaigtv - Thursday, February 03, 2011 - linkI was really looking forward to getting a Sandy Bridge i7 system and this came up. Gee, that reminds me that NO ONE SHOULD BUY NEW TECHNOLOGY UNTIL IT HAS BEEN OUT FOR SIX MONTHS. I have planned to get my new PC in March. I refuse to wait until April. I had plans for the Dell XPS 8300. Now I'm throwing that out the window. I am still getting a new PC four weeks from now as scheduled. My eyes are now set on the HP Pavilion Elite HPE-570f with the AMD Phenom II X6 1090T. Intel is losing another customer; I'm switching to AMD. Reply
banzaigtv - Friday, February 04, 2011 - linkWell, I've been thinking and maybe I was being a bit too harsh on Intel. Maybe it's just that it's too early to jump into new technology, especially since sometimes new CPUs or motherboards can have bugs after release. Honestly, I still want a Core i7, so I'll just get a Core i7 950 since it has been out for a while and proved that it is reliable with no current issues. It beats all AMD Phenom II X6 CPUs in benchmark tests anyway. Reply
Teknobug - Friday, February 04, 2011 - linkEven the Phenom II X4's beat the X6's. Reply
wukillabee - Tuesday, February 08, 2011 - linkLook at Anand, working in a Jay-Z reference. Reply
alg - Monday, March 14, 2011 - linkHi Experts
I am awaiting shipment of a ASUS all in one PC with the CoreI5-2400S chip.
I came across this issue article while browsing, called ASUS and after waiting about 30min, the tech guy said no 'all in one's' are affected and hung up before I can follow up with a qeustion.
After reading the article, I can see that why All in one PC's are not affected as they have limited expansion capability.
To make sure that both HD and DVD drive are on the unaffected port is it possible to get this infor from windows ?
WOuld there be any other reason I should be worried about the bad ports being on th emother board for the long run given its an 'all in one' ?
Asume memory card readers and USB 3 ports are not affected.
Thanks, just want to make sure before my return period runs out.
Al Reply
andyraf - Sunday, April 17, 2011 - linkThe article said: "I'm guessing once the fixed chipsets are available we'll have replacement plans from all of the motherboard manufacturers."
That doesn't appear to be true for Intel boards. I received my DH67BL the same day the recall was announced. Intel initially said to hold off while they figured out what the replacement plan would be. Then they said I had to go through Tigerdirect (who won't even talk to me about it because it's outside the 30-day return window). After many days of going back and forth Intel has offered to replace the board under warranty, but I need to pay to box and ship my old board back, and there's no schedule for when they will send a new board (so if I send my old board back in first, I could be without a PC for an indeterminate amount of time). Based on this experence I really can't recommend an Intel manufactured board to anyone. Reply


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Flags of the world are often taught to our children in middle primary school. They learn briefly about the history of the country and what the flag and its colours represent. Learn a little bit about France and its flag with this colouring printable flag for kids.
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Last night we ventured out to the Clay Aiken show at Verizon Theatre. To be honest, I am not a big fan of his music, but I'm certainly a fan of him. We had a good interview for this piece in this week's issue which started endearing me to him, but when he turned on the 'tude last night and chatted up his elder audience, he had all the makings of a sassy queen. Several precious moments were to be had as he threw people under the bus, made fun of top 40 radio and took delight in the lack of men in the audience — or at least had fun with it when he cited only six men in the front rows.
"Did she drag you here?" he would ask. Pretty great.
My apologies to any people behind me as I tweeted the night away, but hey, I wasn't holding my phone up videoing the guy. Here are my tweet-thoughts from the evening and current thoughts (in bold) the day after (after the jump) along with my colleague's take on the evening.


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Congratulations to the "Best Restaurant in Sioux Falls" – Crawford's Bar and Grill!
Just like in reality, Butler was unable to beat Duke and in this case, The Pickle Barrel was unable to beat Crawford's, falling 23% to 77%.
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AN Australian man who caused a hijacking scare has left Bali, but faces further police questioning when he arrives in Brisbane.
Matt Christopher Lockley, 28, was arrested on arrival in Bali three days ago.
The Queensland plumber says he had a panic attack aboard his Virgin Australia flight on Friday and mistook the plane's cockpit door for the toilet door.
His banging on the door caused the pilots to trigger an "unlawful interference" alert that put the Indonesian air force and police on notice for a hijacker on arrival.
After spending one day in hospital and another assisting police, he was released without charge late on Sunday.
Mr Lockley didn't answer reporters' questions, saying only that Indonesian authorities had been very helpful.
"I made an accident by knocking on the cockpit door," he said.
"I want to say thank you to the Indonesian police and authorities.
"They only followed procedures and they have provided me with a lot of care and support and I'm grateful for everything they've done."
It was thought Mr Lockley was drunk when he caused the scare on Friday and others described him as aggressive and paranoid.
He denies being drunk, telling police he had consumed only Panadol, Voltaren and Coca Cola before the flight.
Mr Lockley flew home on a Virgin Australia flight on Monday afternoon and didn't comment to reporters at the airport.
He shook hands and thanked immigration and consular staff who were there to ensure he boarded flight VA44.
On arrival at Brisbane airport on Monday night, he will be met by Australian Federal Police (AFP) officers investigating what, if any, offences may have occurred on the flight.
"Following evaluation of available evidence, the AFP will be in a position to determine what further action may be taken," a spokesman said.
Indonesian police say Mr Lockley came to Bali looking for his Indonesian wife, whom he hasn't seen in weeks.
They allowed him to rest in hospital following his arrest, describing his state as confused and exhausted. He was visited by friends and Australian consular staff.
Indonesian officials say they are still looking into the circumstances surrounding the sending of the hijack signal and how it was responded to.
Virgin Australia says international protocols require the crew to send an "unlawful interference code" when someone tries to enter the cockpit unlawfully.
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Dual-Boot System
From MEPIS Documentation Wiki
If you have been using the Live CD and decide to install a safe and stable operating system on your computer, the first thing to do is to back up all of your valuable data on the drive that you will be installing to to a different location. While the Linux install process is, in most cases, totally safe, there is always a chance that something could go wrong. So, BACKUP to be better safe than sorry.
We assume that, at least initially, you will want to set up a dual boot system on your computer. That simply means you will still be able to use both MEPIS and Windows. This is what most people new to MEPIS usually choose to do. It gives you the ability to fall back on something that you are already comfortable with, and being able to fallback to tools with which you are familiar (when you need them) will definitely ease the migration.
In Windows
1. Make sure you don't have anything on the disk that you might regret losing. Back up all important data! Most people back up their applications' data, which means, making copies of all their data in their user-directory sub-tree. At a minimum, this would mean all files in their account, at and below their directory named 'My Documents'. Typically, one would periodically COPY those files to a CDROM or a USB-memory-drive or other external drive.
2. Prepare your hard disk for defragmenting. Follow the 2 hints below to get the best results
3. Delete all superfluous temporary files and empty your recycle bin. We suggest installing and running the freeware utility ccleaner. It's especially useful to choose most of the the advanced cleaning options, plus the option to delete all files less than 48 hours old to remove more files than you could possibly imagine, but without damaging your installed system. Most systems gain about 1-3 Gb of space
4. Disable system restore if your system is in good running condition, then re-enable it after a few minutes. This step can reclaim as much as 2Gb (in XP) worth of hard disk space and up to 10Gb for Vista. [In Win-XP, this is under MyComputer->Properties->SystemRestore(tab).]
5. Defragment the disk, especially if you need to resize the disk (i.e. 'shrink' the existing partition containing the Windows OS). Details of HOW to resize the disk are given in the partitioning step [#8] below.
Installing MEPIS
- Plug in and turn on all the hardware that you plan to use with MEPIS.
- Put the MEPIS CD into the CD tray and restart the computer
- If MEPIS does not automatically start change the boot order .
- Screen resolution should be autodetected; if you have problems or you want a specific resolution select the desired resolution and kernel from the very first (GRUB) menu. Example: Press F3 to choose resolution 1280x1024.
- When you get the log in dialog use "root" for user name and "root" for password.
- Click on "INSTALL" icon on the desktop.
- Select Install MEPIS on Hard Drive and click "Next".
- If you have an empty disk or you want to remove everything you have on that disk, choose "auto install using the entire disk". If you choose this option, jump to the GRUB installation step below.
- If you want to use only part of the disk, choose: "custom partitioning".
- If you already have a partition free for MEPIS go to the next step, otherwise you need to first repartition your hard drive so there is a free partition. (For MEPIS 8.5 and 11, see KDE Partition Manager)
- Click "Next" and select the partition for / (root) (if you created only one partition it should be already selected).
- Choose the filesystem type (Ext3 is the recommended choice) and click "Next". Respond "Yes" to format the partition.
- .... get a coffee and relax.... the installation should take 5-20 minutes, depending on your hardware and the size of the partition.
- When that installation step is over you will be prompted with a dialog to install GRUB (Linux boot loader). Choose to install GRUB on MBR (master boot record) of the system boot disk. (Alternative boot methods).
- Choose the localized defaults. Example: Keyboard "us", Locale: "en_US". Click "Next". Confirm the GRUB installation.
- Choose the username and password and the root password. Click "Next".
- Choose computer name, domain, and workgroup. If you plan to network your MEPIS computer, its domain and workgroup have to match your Windows machines, otherwise it is not important what name you choose (cannot be left blank). Computer name should be unique on the network. Unselect "Samba server for MS networking" if you don't plan to network your computer with Windows computers. Click "Next".
- Choose the services you need to start each time you bootup MEPIS. It's a good idea to leave the Guarddog firewall service on. Click "Next".
- Select additional language support that you need. Click "Next".
- That's it! Congratulations!
- When you boot into MEPIS, you will be able to access the Windows drive by clicking on the Kwikdisk icon on the right side of Kicker (taskbar).
visual guide to dual-boot installation
visual guide to custom partitioning.
Windows booting issues
- If Vista is not detected, add an entry like this in /boot/grub/menu.lst (Edit it as root)
title Vista root (hd0,0) makeactive chainloader +1
On some systems (Acer Aspire One netbooks, for instance) that might have to read
title YourSystemName root (hd0,1) makeactive chainloader +1
Otherwise, proprietary repair software in the first partition is engaged and it will want (repeatedly) to restore factory defaults.
- If Windows is on a different disk/partition than the first one, you may need to 'map' the drives to fool Windows into thinking it is. Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst file as root. Change what you need to to fit your configuration; normal syntax is:
title Windows XP at hdb1 map (hd0) (hd1) map (hd1) (hd0) rootnoverify (hd1,0) chainloader +1
Follow these directions.
See also Customizing GRUB


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Civil war Don Boyett added this on 16 Jan 2012 Colon Shaw Varnum enlisted in Capt Irwin's company on Aug 8, 1861, at Franklin, Alabama, as a Private for a period of 1 year. Colen was 23 years old. Irwin's Co. Became (2nd) Co E 25thReg't Ga Infantry. In May 1862 Colen was Transfered. (2nd) Co E became Co(2nd) I 38Reg't Ga. Infantry. On Sept 29, 1862 he was appointed 3rd Sgt of (2nd) I Co. and had 4 months 2 days pay due as Corp. Wounded Dec 13 at Fredericksburg, Va. Appears on Register of Medical Director's Office, Chimborazo Hospital No. 2, Dec 15 , 1862. In CSA Hospipal At Danville, Va Dec 23, 1862 and returned to duty Dec 28, 1862. (2nd) I Co. I 38th Reg't Ga. Infantry Was tranafered in March or April 1863 by order of Major General Early to the 60th Reg't Ga Infantry. It became (2nd) Co A, 60th Ga Infantry. On aroll Dated Jan 15,1864 Colen was listed as a 2nd Sgt.of (2nd) co A 60th Ga Inf. Co A, 60th Ga Infantry was transfered To the 61st Reg't Alabama Volunteers, by S. O. No. 84. A. & I. G. O. dated April 11 !864. It became Co K, 60th Alabama. Was listed as 1st Sgt of Co K, 60th Alabama on the June 30, 1864 roll. Wounded at Petersburg, Va., April 2, 1865 and Captured, sent to Point Lookout, Va., arrived April 4, 1865. He was released June 21, 1865. He signed an oath of Allegiance at Point Lookout,Md on that date. It listed him as 1ST Sgt of the 61 Alabama Infantry Regt, also listed place of residence as Henry County, Alabama.His hair was Brown, eyes were blue, height 5ft 9 inches


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Half of all Americans age 80 and older have cataracts, but it doesn't have to happen to you. We have three super foods for eye health.
You already know carrots are good for eyesight, but what other foods can protect our peepers?
Spinach has a lot of antioxidants that act like sunscreen for the eyes. Eating more of the leafy greens can lower the risk of macular degeneration.
Also, eating foods rich in omega-3s, like wild salmon, helps to protect the blood vessels inside the eye.
Finally, gobble up some turkey. Its high levels of the B vitamin niacin specifically guards against cataracts. The zinc in turkey prevents macular degeneration as well.
For the adventurous eaters, ostrich can also keep your eyes healthy. Leaner than chicken, ostrich is packed full of protein, iron, and zinc, which are all needed for great eyesight.
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Bryan Singer flies into Superman's wedding, like an A-hole
Brandon Routh married his fiancée Courtney Ford at producer Jon Peter's ranch over the weekend. Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger created a "no-fly zone" over the area in honor of the occasion, but Superman Returns director Bryan Singer decided to be a dick about it, according to Page Six:
Bryan Singer pulled a "big Diana Ross diva move," another wedding guest giggled, by "insisting on flying in on a helicopter."
I'm going to let Bryan Singer slide on this one because he made a Superman movie that I can relate to. I'm talking about Superman knocking up Lois Lane then fleeing the planet. It's exactly like the story of my own life complete with a messianic theme and a John William's score. I can't wait to watch it with my kid someday. If I ever decide we should finally meet because I want to borrow some of his student loan money.


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In Canada, Volvo sales are down 14.7 percent in November with a total of 424 vehicles sold. Year-to-date sales are up 3.3 percent in Canada.
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Playlist: Shameless Christmas
The whitest Christmas ever.
Shameless is back! On Saturday 18 December Iguana Bar in Sydney will turn into a winter wonderland complete with snow machine, elves, carolers and antagonistic relatives ready to bring up every single mistake you've ever made. The Christmas drink special will be the Mistletini, $5 all night long. Christmas begins at 9pm and entry is $10.
Your ears will be left ringing with the sound of sleigh bells as DJs Sirens, National Treasure, Perfect Snatch, Sex Azza Weapon, Dylabolical, Love Zero and more play all your favourite Christmas hits, plus the usual mix of soft rock, adult contemporary and blue-eyed soul -? the whitest Christmas in Sydney's history. Iguana Bar is at 13-15 Kellett Street, Kings Cross, Sydney.
10) Hall & Oates - 'Jingle Bells Rock'
Featuring acting more wooden than a nutcracker doll, at 00:14 Hall & Oates show us exactly how to react when opening Grandma's gift of satin Looney Tunes boxer shorts.
9) Boney M - 'Mary's Boy'
Let's remember Boney M as the band who brought us this timeless holiday treat, rather than the born again Christian musical act they morphed into before performing at such venues as the Rooty Hill RSL. Which, by the way, has meat trays on Thursdays, Fridays and Saturdays from 5pm! Merry Christmas!
8) Band Aid - 'Do They Know It's Christmas?'
Journalist Robin Eggar reminisces about the recording day: "Once Status Quo produced their bag of cocaine and the booze started to flow, I brought six bottles of wine from my flat, which disappeared in a minute - it became a party.".
7) Paul McCartney - 'Wonderful Christmastime'
Paul McCartney is apparently today embarrassed by this Christmas classic, presumably for the same reasons that Hilary Duff and the Barenaked Ladies subsequently covered it.
6) Boy George - 'White Christmas'
Might be a little more convincing if the lyric "White Christmas" were replaced by "abducting and torturing male prostitutes". But I guess nobody ever really gets what they want for Christmas.
5) John Lennon, Yoko Ono and the Plastic Ono Band - 'Happy Christmas (War is Over)'
The best type of Christmas song is one whose subversive message is overlooked by the conservative suburbanites playing it. It's the Christmas equivalent of bands back-masking satanic messages into their tracks.
4) The Pointer Sisters - 'Santa Claus is Coming to Town'
The Pointer Sisters deliver a spirited, multi-octave gift that did nothing to dispel those sex-change rumours surrounding Ruth.
3) Eurythmics - 'Walking in a Winter Wonderland'
Also parodied by Bob Rivers as 'Walking Round in Women's Underwear'.
2) Mariah Carey - 'All I Want for Christmas Is You'
Comment below with what you think Mimi really wants for Christmas this year. Female alopecia for J.Lo? To give birth to a Hello Kitty baby? 1996?
1) Wham - 'Last Christmas'
Featuring hair frostier than a windowsill on Christmas 'morn, this is the ultimate holiday song. Christmas simply does not get whiter than this.
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HOUSTON - All the toughness, intensity, and drama of the rodeo is coming to your living room.
Video game developers Woody Addison and Tracey Cearley created the world's first motion-controlled rodeo video game, and they're giving an ongoing demonstration at Reliant Stadium during this year's Houston Livestock Show & Rodeo.
The game is called "Top End Rodeo Tour." It allows players to compete in calf roping, team roping, mounted shooting, barrel racing and, of course, bull riding.
While the game may not help you with your form, you will certainly look the part. The motion-control technology will keep you moving.
Addison said, "You're swinging the rope, riding the bull -- when people see you doing that, they'll know (you're) playing a rodeo game."
It's not easy for the seasoned cowboy or even for the seasoned gamer. But with a little practice, players find success and the game could quickly become addictive.
"Top Hand Rodeo Tour" is scheduled to be released by the end of the year for Microsoft Xbox Kinect and Sony PlayStation Move.
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Katie Holmes looks really authentically pregnant
I've never been pregnant so I don't consider myself an expert on the subject, but I have seen one or two pregnant women in movies before and they usually don't looik like this. In a sort of related story, Holmes recently appeared with Tom Cruise for his interview with Parade magazine and the writer noted how robot-like she was.
"She wore a large diamond engagement ring. She seemed dazed, passive and vacant. She never stopped smiling. The minute she appeared, Cruise


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"This film married my two favorite things in the world: music and fashion," says Carol Beadle, who created the costumes for The Runaways, the much-anticipated biopic on Joan Jett and her titular proto-punk girl group. Beadle talked to us about evoking the late '70s, working with Kristen Stewart and Dakota Fanning (who play Jett and the band's bombshell lead singer, Cherie Currie, respectively), and how to put a contemporary spin on Jett's inimitable style.
"The '70s was such a looser time, and the fact that 15- and 16-year-old girls take off on a plane basically unsupervised, that just doesn't happen as much any more. It's pretty wild."
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