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Intel's Pentium M on the Desktop - A Viable Alternative?by Anand Lal Shimpi on 2/7/2005 4:00 PM EST
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Lupine - Wednesday, February 16, 2005 - linkI'm surprised at these results. I'm setting up a new Dell Inspiron 9200 (M 725 @ 1.6GHz/400MHz FSB) and it is schooling both my Barton 2500+ @ 2.2GHz and TBred B 1700+ @ 2.2GHz running Stanford's Folding@Home project (600 point proteins: ~37min per frame for the XP boxes compared to ~34min per frame w/ the laptop).
So, if it is so weak, what is allowing it to process WUs at such a competitive rate? Sure, that is slower than an A64, but competitive w/ most P4 procs. Reply
fitten - Thursday, February 10, 2005 - linkSomething else to remember about the Banias/Dothan line of chips... Agressive power reduction was the #1 goal of the design process. In a 'normal' chip design, not all pipeline stages are the same length, the clock speed it runs at is the speed of the slowest part of the CPU. Since power usage is directly related to the frequency of the switching gates, the Intel engineers actually deliberately slowed down some parts of the chip to match the target release speeds (or get close to them) to reduce power consumption. This is, perhaps, the main reason why the frequencies don't scale so well as some would want them to scale. Reply
Visual - Thursday, February 10, 2005 - linkhere's another thought... when the opterons launched initially at ECC DDR266, there were similar comments like "give it unbuffered DDR400 or higher and stay out of its way" :) well, now that we have that, ok it did improve performance a bit. but not hugely. shouldn't help the dothan significantly more too. Reply
Visual - Thursday, February 10, 2005 - linkI like how AMD got beaten by the P-M :) not because im intel fan, just because this will make things more interesting now.
don't catch flame from this comment :p its my oppinion
Funny how you picked the game benchmarks btw, its almost as if you wanted to show the P-M lacking behind the A64... from what I've seen it beats A64 in HL2 and CSS, and that's a game you don't skip usually :) so why now?
Also looks suspicious how in lots of tests where P-M performs well with the A64 clock-for-clock or beats it, there is almost no difference in the 3800+ and 4000+ results... like if L2 isnt all that important, yet L2 is exactly how everyone explains the P-M success
Maybe we'll see some 2MB L2 A64 "emergency edition" once Dothan gets a decent desktop chipset, just like what intel did to (try to) save P4 from the A64 :)
actually i'd be happy if Dothan motivates AMD to develop faster L2 cache or something.
Knowing Intel, i dont expect they'd even try to match AMD's prices with the P-M... and there's a lot of room for AMD to decreace prices, as they're selling with quite a margin now. So for sure the P-M won't be cost-effective compared to A64, not if you don't care for ultra-low power consumption at least.
also it doesn't look likely Dothan could scale beyond 2.6GHz on current 90nm tech. by the time it gets there, AMD should've launched the 2.8 FX and most likely 3GHz too. so I have no doubts AMD will keep the lead for quite a while... maybe the race to 65nm will be the next turning point, as it seems its going smooth for intel (at least for P-M)
anyway, even if AMD is better in absolute performance, pricepoint and (arguably) clock-for-clock, you gotta admit it to the P-M, it does quite a punch. fun times are coming :) Reply
Zebo - Wednesday, February 09, 2005 - linkdobwal buy intel if you want mhz, AMD is for performance. Reply
dobwal - Wednesday, February 09, 2005 - linki wasn't referring to the FX series. Plus you are not understanding the point i was trying to make. Lets take a look at the FX series.
OPN Model Operating Freq. Package ADAFX55DEI5AS FX55 2600MHz 939-Pin
ADAFX53DEP5AS FX53 2400MHz 939-Pin
ADAFX53CEP5AT FX53 2400MHz 940-Pin
ADAFX51CEP5AT FX51 2200MHz 940-Pin
ADAFX51CEP5AK FX51 2200MHz 940-Pin
the first FX51 was release around late third quarter 2003. So in a little over a year the FX series has only increased 400 Mhz. Can you automatically assume that the FX has poor scalability in terms of cpu speed. NO. You know why, because the EE is underperforming and can't touch the FX. AMD has no need to push large scale speed increases out of the FX line, which would do nothing but increase cost with each new stepping it used to boost performance.
The same goes for the Dothan at 2.26Ghz by the end of 2005. What other cpu offers the same level of performance vs. battery life. So why push for performance except to push sales.
You simply can't determine the scalabiltiy of a cpu based on its roadmap especially when its the performance leader in its market segment and has no current viable competitor or one in the near future. Reply
Aileur - Wednesday, February 09, 2005 - linkOh and, superpi relies on the fpu to do its calculations, so so much for this fpu is crap trend we have going here.
http://mod.vr-zone.com.sg/Aopen_i855_review/25sPIm... Reply
Aileur - Wednesday, February 09, 2005 - linkOh and before you start bragging about the better superpi1mb result of the a64
this is 1 sec better, with 100mhz less, and single channel ram. Reply
Aileur - Wednesday, February 09, 2005 - linkSince you seem to like xtremesystems
also a 1ghz overclock, also on default voltage
Id like to see how an a64 would perform on a kt266 (if that were possible)
Give the pentium m time to mature and all those "OMG HAHA YOU CPUZ IS SO HOT LOLOL!!!1111" will be obsoleet. Reply
Zebo - Wednesday, February 09, 2005 - link58 "How long has A64 been stuck on 2.4Ghz."
There not. 2.6 FX-55 been out for months. More importantly AMD does'nt have to release new chips the way they dominate the benchmarks now. Could they? Hell ya.They got a nice buffer going, New FX's hit 3.0 on stock air. Cheap 90nm's are now hitting 2.7 on default Vcore and air. And by air I mean AMD's cheap all aluminum HS with a itty bitty 15mmx70mm fan, not Prescotts copper core screamers.
T8000- You're clueless. Maybe it's the heat generated by your prescott making your head woozy, I dunno, but have a look here..1800 Mhz to 2800 Mhz on default Vcore stock fan.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php... Reply
saratoga - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - linkOverall this artical brings up a lot of the points missing in other Dothan reviews. Very nice work. Too many people have looked at a few benchmarks, bashed Intel for the P4, and missed the whole issue here.
Intel isn't stupid. Its obvious they don't think Dothan will work in its current form as a desktop chip, and thats why they're still sticking with Prescott at the moment, and only bring the P-M over much later in a reworked form with Yohan. Assuming they ever do introduce a desktop chip based on the P-M.
Also, siginificant scaling out of Dothan seems unlikely. They'll probably get a few more speed grades out of it, but whoever was saying 3GHz was dreaming. Maybe at 65nm, but that sure as heck won't be dothan, and it won't be for a while yet. Reply
PrinceGaz - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - linkWell put classy, the P-M is a chip that at least in its current form can never be a desktop processor because of severe weaknesses in several areas.
A faster dual-channel chipset will never make up for its poor FPU performance in heavy-duty applications, something I'd heard about many months ago but hadn't seen reliable benchmarks of until now.
If you want to do word-processing or browse the web, I'm sure the P-M will be very efficient. If you want to run the sort of spplications that seriously test a processor and are the reason you'd buy it in the first place for a desktop PC, then the P-M falls far short of the mark, in fact it is so far behind at times that it is embarrasing.
But you don't get anything for nothing, the P-M is great at doing easy stuff very quickly which is what laptops are used ofr mainly; but when the going gets tough, you want a real desktop processor like the A64 to keep things moving. Reply
classy - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - linkT8000
What part don't you understand? The Pentium M has been reviewed all over the net. Out of all the reviews only one reviewer hit 2.8. Everyone else, was similar to Anandtech's results. 2nd I don't no where you been, but every review of an FX55 I have seen it routinely hits 2.8 with no problem. And almost all the lower speeds hit the 2.6-2.7 ballpark. Not mention that a small increase with A64 is much more signifcant than even a modest Intel OC because of the architecture of the A64 cpus. Hey everyone has a favorite cpu, video card, or motherboard maker. But when something is better, its just better. And for anyone to even remotely argue the Pentium M as a challenge to the A64 cpus is a bit silly. This chip reminds me a lot of the old 366@550 celery chips. IF you got a 366 to do 550 it was a great chip because it gave you nice performance for the price. The Pentium M doesn't have a price advantage and is on a platform that is outdated. IF you can overclock it to decent levels it performs pretty good in some aspects but still sucks in many others. The problem is IF. But as I stated ealier IF is out for the evening with MAYBE. Reply
LackofVision - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - linkI couldn't disagree more with the conclusions in this article.
Anyone who can't see the promise of a desktop processor design based on the banias in't going beyond just looking at the numbers. Especially when you start thinking down the road about dual core's and the heat and performance bottlenecks associated with them.
So because the banias can't outperform the p4 or athlon64 in every benchmark, when hamstrung by an outdated chipset, and designed primarily for low power usage, the processor won't be competitive when running on a modern subsystem with a re tuning of the core design to make it more suited to the desktop?
Nothing like comparing apples to oranges and then drawing a conclusion on what a pear tastes like. Reply
jamawass - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - linkI doubt it, Intel makes huge profits by putting a price premium for mobile processors. They won't jeopardize this for a few enthusiasts. Reply
KristopherKubicki - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - linkFrostAWOL, #51: What's your point? Those HP blade servers run Pentium Ms and there is no mention of Pentium 4 anywhere.
Kristopher Reply
HardwareD00d - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - linkPentium M = Yawn
T8000 - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - link#52
Since it is very rare to see an A64 CPU overclock above the available speeds without subzero cooling, the comparision would likely be between a 2.4 or maybe 2.6 Ghz A64 and a 2.8 Ghz P-M.
Also, P-M CPU's with higher multipliers usually overclock better due to the limited FSB possibilities of the i855 chipset. This could explain why Anand did not reach 2.8 Ghz in this review. Reply
dobwal - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - linkWhile i think that this is a good article. Allowing us to see the performance of the dothan in its current state against desktop cpus. Some of the conclusions that are made by the author don't take account of alot factors.
1. "The problem is that in the transition to the desktop world, its competitors get much more powerful, while the Pentium M is forced to live within its mobile constraints."
How can this statement be valid. The mobile constraints on the Dothan is never really removed. Nothing is really done to try to make the mobile dothan mimick a (possible) desktop variation of itself. Do you really think there is a chance for a official desktop dothan running at 2.4 with DDR 333 in single channel with 533 FSB. How about re-running these benchmarks along with a 3.2Ghz P4 with DDR 333 (single channel) and a FSB speed of 533.
2. "The fundamental issue is that although the Pentium M is surprisingly competitive with the Athlon 64 on a clock for clock basis, the Pentium M's architecture can't scale to the same clock speeds that the Athlon 64 can. The fact of the matter is that while the Pentium M will hit 2.26GHz by the end of 2005, the Athlon 64 will be on its way to 3.0GHz and beyond."
The fact of the matter is you are comparing the scalability of the king of mobile chips vs. the scalability of the king of desktop chip and making an assumption without taking account of all the factors involved. The fact is we do not know the scalability of the dothan without its mobile constraints. Even more so, we don't know the true scalability of the mobile Dothan. What other mobile cpu offers the same level of performance vs. battery life.
Its more profitable for a company to retard performance increases of its cpu if there is no other cpu that can offer the same level of performance currently or in the near future. Revisions or new steppings increase cost.
AMD is in the same boat with the A64.
How long has A64 been stuck on 2.4Ghz. Most of the latest PR number increases with relation to A64 have come from HT increases, dual channel and moving from 754 to 939. Imagine the scenario of where the Prescott worked as intended and the Tejas was around the corner. Do you think that the A64 would be still at 2.4Ghz or more like 3.0 or 3.2Ghz.
While some of the conclusions could be seen as true under the circumstances of Intel never officially introducing the dothan to the desktop world. Where all we get are mobile Dothans on chipsets with desktop features.
However, these benchmarks can't prove or disprove the viability of a dothan that was devised by Intel to be a desktop competitor. Reply
classy - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - link#55
IF Intel does this. IF Intel does that. Unfortunately IF left with MAYBE and they went to the movies to see the new #1 movie from Intel, Could Have, But Didn't, starring Mr Dothan CPU. :) Reply
bob661 - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - linkThe only problem with this chip is that the marketing is oriented towards the mobile market and therefore not a direct competitor to the A64. It would be nice if it was. It might bring some cats out of the bag on the AMD side. Competition in the marketplace is good for us all. Reply
jvrobert - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - linkReally, AMDroids, get a grip. You're all excited because the AMD chips beat a mobile processor pretty handily, and because you are making some silly assumption that the Pentium-M in its current form is Intel's "last chance".
First, Intel doesn't need a last chance. They make enough money to make AMD look like a Mexico City taco stand. So enough of those delusions of grandeur.
But on a technical front, if Intel ramps the clockspeed up to the 2.8 range (easy), and releases a desktop class chipset for the Pentium M it would match or exceed any current chip. And these are _basic_ steps. What if they made more improvements? Reply
jvrobert - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - linkReply
bob661 - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - link#45
You are a rock. The point of the article was to compare the P-M to desktop CPU's because most of us here wanted to know it will perform. And you know what? It performed very nicely. Reply
classy - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - linkI just can't help but to laugh at some folks. Its a nice chip but clearly not in the A64 ballpark. Its that simple. As far as the 2.8 oc, that was only accomplished in one reveiw. All the reviews show the same thing you have oc so it can it compete. What's interesting though is most of these Intel fanboys don't want to see a comparison of an oc'ed A64 vs a Dothan. Smoke city :) Reply
FrostAWOL - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - linkIF the Pentium-M and P4 are electrically incompatible then someone please explain this:
HP Blade system Pentium-M with Serverworks GC-SL chipset
FrostAWOL Reply
jae63 - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - linkGreat review & of interest to those of us with HTPCs. Too bad the price point is so steep.
One minor correction on page 11:
"The Pentium M does a bit better in the document creation tests, as they are mostly using applications that will fit within the CPU's cache. However, the introduction of a voice recognition program into the test stresses the Pentium M's floating point performance, which does hamper its abilities here."
Actually NaturallySpeaking uses almost no floating point but is very memory intensive. The performance hit that you are seeing is because it uses a lot of memory bandwidth and its dataset doesn't fit in the L2 cache.
Here's some support for my statement, by the main architect of NaturallySpeaking, Joel Gould:
http://tinyurl.com/6s4mh Reply
segagenesis - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - link#43 - I think you have the right idea here. This processor is not meant to be performance busting but rather a low energy alternative to current heat factories present inside every P4 machine. I would love to have this in a HTPC machine myself but the cost is still too damn high. Hopefully higher production will bring the cost down. Reply
Aileur - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - linkI guess the pentium M isnt ready (yet) for a full featured gaming machine, but with that kind of power, passively cooled, it would make for one hell of an htpc. Reply
PrinceGaz - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - link#45- It was not an unfair review, on the contrary it seemed very well done. The reason the P-M was compared with fast P4 and A64's is because they cost about the same.
Maybe someone else buys your computers for you, but most of us here have to spend our own money on them so cost is the best way to decide what to compare it with. Reply
bluesdoggy - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - link...in the mobile world, the Pentium 4 and Athlon 64 are often castrated or limited either by low clock speeds...
Mommy, is that processor a steer? Reply
valnar - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - linkAs usual, an unfair review. Comparing a 2.0Ghz 400FSB laptop CPU against 3.0Ghz desktop heatmonsters? Of course it won't beat them. But look at how well it does, and probably would do (if reviewed correctly) against Pentium 4 2.4-2.8Ghz CPU's. Considering the ultralow power it needs and lack of heat it generates, this WILL be the hot (err... cool) ticket for Shuttle XPC's and the like in the near future. For anyone who doesn't need the fastest processor at the moment, the Banias designers did a fantastic job.
EODetroit - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - linkGreat article, its about time that you did this one. And you compared both P-M motherboards on the market, I don't remember the other web sites doing that.
You stated that the P-M won't scale, and that's the reason this isn't Intel's desktop future. One thing though... Intel's other desktop CPUs aren't going to scale much this year either. In fact, on a percentage basis, the P-M might actually scale more this year than the various P4-Kiln edition CPUs after all.
Combine that with a mobile-915 chipset for the desktop, and therefore the elimination of the huge memory bottlenecks (and hopefully a little more voltage adjustments) and all of the sudden we may see all those Losses and Ties turn into Ties and Wins.
Whatever happens, don't be the last enthusiast site to review the mobile-915 desktop motherboards when they arrive, like you were with this. We need a trusted source to know what to buy.
mickyb - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - linkThe performance per watt is awesome. Great for SFF. The article is good, but until there is a newer chipset for this CPU, we won't be able to determine a final performance ruling. I am dissappointed in the lack of desktop MB offerings. This will be the challenger to the MAC mini in near future. Someone will be putting laptop components in a box and call it done.
I found a couple of things interesting. Taking the memory out of play, it seems the A64 is still better optimized. L1 cache of Northwood is pretty impressive. AMD has an opportunity to improve performance just by improving the L2 cache latency.
I really don't think the Pentium-M limits are around 2.6 GHz by the end of the year. At 22W, this could probably reach higher speeds. I think the upper limit that Intel is publishing is in context of a laptop and the cooling challenges in that platform. If you put a chip in a DT, then it is a different story. Reply
AtaStrumf - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - linkA great article! Another Anand classic :-)
I'd just like you to add an Athlon XP 3200 to the lineup and at least one more Newcastle (which is just the most popular A64 at the moment ;-) May I suggest a 3000+ 2,0 GHz/512/1CH? With just one dot on the graph extrapolating anything becomes a nightmare :-(
As for P-M it's one hell of a CPU considering it's limitations and we just can't stop wondering what it could become if Intel decided to remove them. Sonoma will party answer that question, but unfortunately the ultra low voltage cap will still remain, so we may never really know.
On the other hand I think an A64 will still be a nice enough desktop CPU so we really have no need for P-M on the desktop side of things. With Lancaster-Turion supposedly on S754 we may be in for a very nice successor to 2500+ Mobile, so to hell with P-M >;-) Reply
bob661 - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - linkC'mon guys. These tests aren't showing that the P-M is crap, just not what we originally thought it was. I am surprised as hell at these results. For a laptop CPU, it still kicks ass. And with two A64 and three AXP machines, I am no Intel fanboy. Reply
paulsiu - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - linkFor folks who want to have a mobile chip lower power solution, why not just go to the mobile Athlon 64? The CPU performance should be about the same as their desktop counterpart (at least the socket 754 version) and you can often use the same motherboard as the desktop.
The Pentium Mobile idea seems nice, but I can't imagine spending $300 on a board that contains outdated technology.
MIDIman - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - linkSuperb article.
Granted, this is a "desktop" review, but I think the P-M is a completely different world from the P4-775 and A64, and I'm not entiely sure how people can compare them. This was built to be a portable solution and has been moved to desktop. Put that into account, and you have an extremely capable system that is silent, passive, and can be extremely small (matx here, but ITX is out there). I'm just trying to figure out why I didn't just read a Sonoma-based review, since it is out and being made (i.e. Dell's new 6000 laptop), or at least a 2.2ghz Dothan.
I think Sonoma will bridge a bit of this performance gap, but consdering that these types of chipsets and CPUs will always be low voltage, I think we'll always see places where its performance is maybe not up to par, but well worth every penny for small and silent with desktop performance. THey'll only get smaller and faster, and IMHO, this is pretty damn close to desktop performance. Reply
muddocktor - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - linkI agree withpost #36 about the benchmarks seemingly being picked to go for the P-M's weaknesses, but I guess that's how you get article hits. ;) I do fully agree that the present motherboards and chipsets they use hold back the perfromnace quite a bit; it might be a different story when the new mobile 915 chipset mATX boards come out for desktop use though.
One glaring weakness in this comprehensive test though is the utter lack of numbers on system power usage and noise. If I were deploying a whole bunch of new systems for a corporation, I would give serious thought to a P-M setup even though the initial outlay would be more than a comparable P4 setup due to the decreased wattage used by the P-M system and the resultant heat from operation being much less, leading to lower environmental costs. Face it, in typical office applications the P-M is more than powerful enough for 90% of the users for the forseeable future and if your company has hundred or thousands of computers, the power saving should more than compensate for the higher pricetag of aquiring the P-M systems.
Anand, when the new mobos based on the mobile 915 chipset come out, you need to revisit Dothan and it's performance. Reply
msva124 - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - linkWhat were people expecting out of the pentium m? I have always multiplied the Mhz by 1.5 and used that number as the speed rating. So for instance the 2.0Ghz Dothan would be 3000+. The benchmarks confirm this - with the exception of one or two tests, it met or exceeded the performance of the Athlon 64 3000+.
Whenever it was discussed as a desktop alternative I always assumed the implication was that this would be way off in the future, once clock speeds were ramped up. Reply
fitten - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - linkAlso, it's interesting that there are many benchmarks chosen which are known to stress the weaknesses of the Pentium-M... not that it isn't interesting information. For example, there seems to be a whole lot of FPU intensive benchmarks (around 15 or so, all of which the Pentium-M should lose handily - known before they are even run) so kind of just hammering the point home I guess.
Anyway, the Dothans held up pretty well from what I can see... Most of the time (except for the notable FPU intensive and memory bandwidth intensive benchmarks), the Dothan compares quite well with Athlon64s of the same clock speed that have the advantage of dual channel memory. Reply
fitten - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - linkThe other interesting thing about the Athlon64 vs. Dothan comparison is that even with dual channel memory bandwidth on the Athlon64's side, the single channel memory bandwidth of the Dothan still keeps it very close in many of the benchmarks and can even beat the dual channel Athlon64s at 400MHz higher clock in some.
Anyway, the Pentium-M family is a good start. Some tweaking here and there (improved FPU with better FPU performance and maybe another FPU execution unit, improved memory subsystem to make good use of dual channel) and it will be at least as good as the Athlon64s across the board.
I own three Athlon64 desktops, two AthlonXP desktops, and two Pentium-M laptops and the laptops are by no means "slow" at doing work. Reply
KristopherKubicki - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - linkteutonicknight: We purposely don't change our test platform too often. Even though we are using a slightly older version of Premiere, it is the same version we have used in our other processor analyses.
Hope that helps,
Kristopher Reply
kmmatney - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - linkThere's also a Celeron version that would have been intersting to review. The small L2 cache should hurt the performance, though. I think the celeron version using something like 7 Watts. It would make no sense to put a celeron-M in such an expensive motherboard, though. Reply
Slaimus - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - linkI think this indirectly shows how AMD needs to update its caching architecture on the K8. They basically carried over the K7 caches, which is just too slow when paired with its memory controller. Instead of being as large as possible (as evidenced by the exclusive caches) at the expense of latency, the K8 needs faster caches. The memory bandwith of L2 vs system memory is only about 2 to 1 on the K8, which is to say the L2 cache is not helping the system memory much. Reply
sandorski - Monday, February 07, 2005 - linkI think the Pentium M mythos can now be laid to rest. Reply
mjz5 - Monday, February 07, 2005 - linkto #29:
your 2800 is the 754 pin.
the 3000+ reviewed is the 939 pin which is 1.8. the 3000+ for the 754 is 2.0 ghz Reply
kristof007 - Monday, February 07, 2005 - linkI don't know if anyone else noticed but the charts are a bit off. My A64 2800+ is running at a stock 1.8 ghz .. while in the review the A64 3000+ is running at 1.8 ... weird! Reply
knitecrow - Monday, February 07, 2005 - link#25
1) Intel and AMD measure TDP differently... and TDP is not the same as actual power dissipation. The actual dissipation of 90nm A64 is pretty darn good.
2) A microprocessor is not made of Lego... you can't rearrange/tweak parts to make it faster. It takes a lot of time, energy and talent to make changes -- even then it may not work for the best. Prescott anyone?
Frankly I've been waiting for a good review of P-M's actual performance. I really don't trust those "other" sites.
k00kie - Monday, February 07, 2005 - linkReply
bobsmith1492 - Monday, February 07, 2005 - linkGranted the T8000 here is an Intel fanboy, but please notice Anand was comparing clock-for-clock. Reply
T8000 - Monday, February 07, 2005 - linkThere is one big difference between this review and the reviews where the Pentium M did very well: CLOCKSPEED!
While others where able to get over 2.8 Ghz with aircooling, Anand got just 2.4 Ghz. This may be a coincidence, but it is the difference between surprisingly good performance and a few % below others.
As most of the benchmarks where based on the stock 2 Ghz, the difference became even greater.
So this review just shows that the stock speed Pentium M performs about 30% less with about 30% less clockspeed than overclocked versions.
A slightly redesigned version with higher voltages is not extremely unlikely to hit at least 3 Ghz. Combining that with a desktop chipset will result in stellar performance, as the benchmark scores in this review (x1.5) indicate.
But since there is no slightly redesigned version and Intel has no good reason to make one, the current Pentium M desktops will only appeal to overclockers and silent computing people.
Also, for some reason, Anand found the 90W TDP of the 2.4 Ghz A64 closer to the 20W of the P-M than to the 110W of the 3.8 Ghz P4. Reply
CSMR - Monday, February 07, 2005 - linkThat's a very good option Zebo, thanks for posting it. Reply
teutonicknight - Monday, February 07, 2005 - linkOne suggestion: Why don't you start using a newer version of Premiere for testing? I personally don't use it, but every that I know who does says before Premiere Pro, the program sucked. I'm sure the render results would be much more realistic and accurate if you used a more up to date version of the program Reply
Regs - Monday, February 07, 2005 - linkI was wondering the same thing too Jeff. If you feed it more bandwidth, it would eliminate the pipeline stalls and maybe give it a chance to reach higher clock speeds. Right? Or is it still prohibited by the shorter pipeline to reach higher clock speeds?
Longer pipeline = wasted clock cycles. But to me that sounds like the PM should actually scale a lot better with a speed boost. Why exactly does it scale badly compared to a P4? Could it be remedied in anyway with a dual channel memory bus? Reply
ozzimark - Monday, February 07, 2005 - linkthere's something wrong with the 3400+ in the spec tests. why is the 3000+ beating it consitantly? Reply
Warder45 - Monday, February 07, 2005 - linkMaybe I missed something but I don't see the reason for all the negitivity in the final words. The 2.4Ghz P-M was very close to the A64 2.4Ghz in many of the tests, 3D rendering seemed to slow it down but that looked like it. With better boards and memory the P-M might best the A64 in a clock for clock match up.
I do agree the prices are way too high. I think Intel really needs to wake up and smell what they have cooking here. With more support and more aggressive priceing they could easily have a winner in the HTPC and SFF markets. Reply
plewis00 - Monday, February 07, 2005 - linkSurely when someone builds a mainboard with the Sonoma (i915) platform using PCI-E and DDR2-533 then it will change. And I wouldn't have thought that's that far off assuming they don't charge rip-off prices for the technology. It would also be perfect for Shuttle systems where the emphasis is on quietness and coolness rather than so much on performance. Reply
Zebo - Monday, February 07, 2005 - linkCSMR
So's this one very soon..
...more than excellent performance wise if Dothan is excellent...power differential hopefully for AMD will be nominal.
Sokaku - Monday, February 07, 2005 - link
While it is true that the A64 has way more bandwidth, I doubt that is the reason why it crushed the P-M in the Professional Applications. I think the real cause is to be found in the P-M's abillity to do FP divisions. The P-III had a pipelined FP unit, however div operations were extremly expensive. My guess would be that Intel haven't thrown much effort into improving on this. Reply
CSMR - Monday, February 07, 2005 - linkThe fact is it's an excellent processor for business use (speed, quietness, reliability) and multimedia use (quietness). Anandtech is full of gamers; but there is no denying that using a computer as a media centre is becoming a big thing, or that low-power, quiet operation is necessary. High motherboard prices are because the desktop PM motherboard market is very small. There was a comment in the review that the PM architecture doesn't scale well. I am sure that is so; but what processors do scale well? It's because they don't that everyone is about to go dual-core. Reply
bobsmith1492 - Monday, February 07, 2005 - linkThanks #12 :P Reply
Zebo - Monday, February 07, 2005 - linkI myself have been guilty of hyping dothan after seeing GAMEPCs "opimistic" review. This should quell that.:D Reply
Zebo - Monday, February 07, 2005 - linkAnand best review I've read here, thanks a lot, nice to see you scribing again..:)
Seems again, like the tech report review, with a comprehensive test suite such as this one dothan has some collosal performance flaws, and simply can't match up the A64 across board. It looses 30 out of 41 benches at same speed, some huge. 2.0 vs 2.0..
I posted in CPU forum how turion/lancaster will be 25W.. could this be the end of DOTHANS laptop dominace? Reply
Brian23 - Monday, February 07, 2005 - linkI agree with #10. Reply
bobsmith1492 - Monday, February 07, 2005 - linkSorry; first time commenting. I couldn't remember my login name before.
Anyway, my laptop OCs better than that. Granted, it's a 1.7 to begin with, but the FSB will do 125 easily, with the same ram increase to boot - 420 MHz, with processor at 2.125. It will do a tad bit more, but that's enough for a laptop I'd say. Reply
bobsmith1492 - Monday, February 07, 2005 - linktest Reply
Kalessian - Monday, February 07, 2005 - link#6, Oh yeah? Well, give a P4/A64 an SXGP(Super eXtremely Good Performance) setting and stay out of ITS way!
Yawn, right now the P-M doesn't impress me at all. Let a CPU built for mobile systems stay in mobile systems until it gets rebuilt for desktops properly.
Great review, learned a ton :) Reply
GnomeCop - Monday, February 07, 2005 - linkI have a 2.0ghz dothan system, I upgraded from an old 533mhz fsb p4.
The speed for my work and games are just fine. I have a leadtek GF6800ultra in my system and its the only thing I have to worry about cooling.
CPU is passively cooled and the system is expremely quiet running on a 359watt psu. By the time I need to upgrade, I will be buying a whole new cpu/mobo/everything anyways.
ksherman - Monday, February 07, 2005 - linkseems like an a really good processor for buisness machines, given the L1 cahe speeds... and not much else (snas uber low power consumption) Reply
Jeff7181 - Monday, February 07, 2005 - linkGive the Dothan a speed bump and some dual channel DDR400 and stay out of it's way... Reply
MDme - Monday, February 07, 2005 - linkwell, now we FINALLY have a comprehensive review of the P-M, it's strengths and weaknesses. While the P-M is good. the A64 is still better. Reply
Netopia - Monday, February 07, 2005 - linkYeah, I was about to say the same as #3.
Why did you go to the trouble to list what the AthlonXP system would have in it and then not actually test or reference it anywhere in the article?
I still have a bunch of AXP machines and regularly help others upgrade using XP-M's, so it would be interesting to see these at least included in reviews for a while. Reply
CrystalBay - Monday, February 07, 2005 - linkHi, I noticed in the testbed an AXP3200/NF2U400 but there are no charts with this setup. Reply
Beenthere - Monday, February 07, 2005 - linkIt's a pipe dream for those who wish Intel had their act together. It's already confirmed M don't scale well and is not effective for HD computing. It's performance is really some place between Sempron and A64 but certainly not a suitable competitor to A64 nor FX. Just another Hail Mary for a defunct Intel. Reply
coldpower27 - Monday, February 07, 2005 - linkHmm, an interesting review on the Pentium M to say the least. Though are 2-2-2-10 timings for the Pentium M the best for this architecture??? Reply


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Radeon X700 IGP Very Soon... X1800XT Master Cards Very Lateby Kristopher Kubicki on 11/10/2005 4:56 AM EST
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stmok - Friday, November 18, 2005 - linkI've always wondered...Why isn't there an IGP solution for the enthusiast on a budget?
Who wouldn't want to have a X700 or GF6600 IGP solution? That would be good enough for
me! Reply
Hacp - Friday, November 11, 2005 - linkTHe 9700 Pro with 8 pipelines. Reply
Myrandex - Thursday, November 10, 2005 - linkThis sounds like a sweet application for a low cost gaming laptop dependent on the memory bandwidth of the solution (esp looking at single channel socket 754 format, a thing most laptops are).
Jason Reply
BPB - Thursday, November 10, 2005 - linkNow this, I think, is worth waiting for (if it is indeed going to be here by end of year). An X700 based IGP would be great. I know several people who don't game on PC's much and they would love these. I would assume they'll beat the just released 6150's. And I assume many will have at least decent sound, maybe even pretty darn good sound. The more I think about it the more I like it. Reply
eastvillager - Thursday, November 10, 2005 - linkThey don't have to win, they just have to prove they can do it, which they're doing with the other masters. I'm not saying it was in any way a good idea to put them so far out, but I doubt they had any real choice. Reply
skunkbuster - Thursday, November 10, 2005 - linkisnt the X700 just a faster version of the x600? and the x600 was similar to the radeon 9600? Reply
JarredWalton - Thursday, November 10, 2005 - linkX700 is R410 and is 8 pixel, 6 vertex pipelines. X600 is RV380 and has 4 pixel, 2 vertex. Needless to say, the X700 is significantly better than X600. X600 is in many ways just a slightly faster version of X300. Reply
ViRGE - Thursday, November 10, 2005 - linkReally, is ATI even trying any more with this generation? January gives Nvidia another 2 months to run amok, never mind whatever future products they have in the pipeline. Reply


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AN INNOCENT shopper who was brutally beaten by a group of thugs has said he is lucky to be alive after one of his attackers was jailed for four years.
Aaron Hudnott, 19, led a vicious gang assault on a random man 'for fun' in July last year, and was joined by between six and 10 others who have all escaped prison.
Stephen Chamberlain, 48, needed hospital treatment for a broken nose, severe bruising and swelling and a broken tooth after the assault outside Asda Walmart on July 29 last year.
Colin Meeke, prosecuting, told Swindon Crown Court how at about 10.30pm the off-duty shop manager was loading a coffee table into his car when he saw a group of youths approaching him from the direction of a nearby pub.
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Nokia Astound ReviewNokia C7
The 8-megapixel sensor on the backside might impress people, but the Astound's lack of auto-focus completely limits its capacity in taking astounding shots. In fact, details are rather fuzzy looking with most close-ups, fittingly of course, but scenery shots are acceptable in terms of clarity. Additionally, color production is regretfully on the dull side of things – which doesn't aid in any way. Moreover, there is a little bit of digital noise evident in low lighting shots, but the dual-LED does an okay job in illuminating the picture correctly.
High-definition 720p video recording is available, not surprisingly, but we're not too thrilled either with its output. Shooting at the frame rate of 25 frames per second, there is still a jittery movement with its playback. Even more, the out of focus appearance of its recording doesn't add any level of excitement, but rather, it simply makes you appreciate the power of auto-focus.
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Impressively, the Symbian^3 music player is a refreshing departure from previous ones thanks to its silky cover flow-like presentation. Underneath it all though, we're still subjected to the same consistent layout when music is played – like displaying the album cover, track information, and on-screen controls. As for the speaker, its output is average at best with its sharp tones, but thankfully it's still pleasant sounding to the ear.
Thanks to its gorgeous looking AMOLED display, the Astound is a perfect candidate for watching high-definition videos. After loading a video encoded in DivX 1280 x 720 resolution, we're greeted with plenty of details, iridescent looking colors, and a smooth playback that will easily encompass anyone to its bountiful capacity. Check out our Nokia Astound Specs for the rest of the supported formats.
With 8GB of internal storage, it should be more than sufficient for most people out there, but thankfully you can supplement its capacity by adding microSD cards up to 32GB is size.
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Although many T-Mobile handsets are flaunting "4G" speeds, the Astound is only your generic quad-band GSM (850/900/1800/1900 MHz) and UMTS (850/900/1700/2100 MHz) smartphone – meaning, only 3G speeds are on board. Furthermore, it features aGPS for your location based services, Bluetooth 3.0 to connect with other devices wirelessly, and 802.11 b/g/n Wi-Fi as an alternate data connection.
Call it an unexpected benefit, but the Nokia Astound actually packs along an NFC chip which should hopefully take advantage of the new technology down the road once services are better established.
Again, one of the new features found with the Astound that's not available with the C7 is its tab browsing experience with the Symbian^3 web browser. As much as it's nice to easily switch between multiple tabs, the overall web browsing experience isn't on par with the competitive offerings. Specifically, we can't help but notice the choppy kinetic scrolling and slow rendering of complex web sites. Then again, its somewhat unresponsive rate might be attributed to the handset's support for Flash Lite. Nonetheless, we're not all that impressed with its less than ideal performance – especially for a touchscreen device, so we'd recommend that you install Opera Mobile 11, which is a great free alternative.
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1. box (unregistered)
Strange that it doesn't have Swype in portrait mode; my Nuron has it, though I have to select the "Mini QWERTY" option to enable it. Whatever the case, I'm getting it as soon as it's out
2. YuriGagarinNL (Posts: 1; Member since: 29 Mar 2011)
I would say there is a chance Nokia will update it for swype in portrait mode, I can't imagine they won't.
3. bluechrism (unregistered)
propbably will update that to include swype on the quesrty, but bear in mind, the other Symbian 3 devices are only just now getting a protrait querty at all. Maybe it will be a part of summer's UI update.
11. Stoli89 (Posts: 333; Member since: 28 Jun 2010)
Yes, portrait qwerty is part of the planned update. But IMO, the 360x640 dimensions have always meant the portrait qwerty will remain cramped. This is why Swype portrait is a good choice for those that can work with this new means of input. [you can still use Swype keyboard while toggling off Swype input method, too]
The 360x640 dimension has tradeoffs. It feels more "phone-like" in the hand...but portrait is more cramped. HD videos in widescreen format look great.
4. gregory (unregistered)
beautiful peace of hardware. Its a pity that only nokia and apple are able to produce rally good made phones.The rest of the market is a peace of s.. with high tech components.
5. troy (unregistered)
I want this so bad but because I have the t-zones 2.99 plan they wont let me upgrade to another smartphone unless I sign up for a new data plan.
6. luis_lopez_351 (Posts: 951; Member since: 18 Nov 2010)
Finally a real phone in the U.S. market. Im tired of using Android and IOS, hopefully Symbian is as good or even better than my personal fave Blackberry. (I own a G2 currently...i dont care for the Android apps or customization, its too much crap. Symbian ^3 looks nice and descent)
7. Deaconclgi (unregistered)
8 out of 10! Fantastic!
Only thing that I don't recall reading in this review is that the Astound has the same Broadcom GPU as the other Symbian^3 devices such as the N8 and E7, enabling it to play the latest and greatest 3D and HD games. That is a big sell to people who love gaming but don't want to pay the high price for an Android device with a strong enough GPU for gaming. The GPU in this phone is more powerful than most and definately more powerful than other devices in this price range.
Great review. I am glad that phone arena did a fair review. I hope that TMo customers go and try the phone out with an open mind.
One last thing, Nokia should have included Need For Speed Shift HD in the firmware as it is free (for my N8) and is a great showpiece for the GPU.
Enjoy the phone and all that it brings.
8. Redsea (unregistered)
The one thing you didn't mention that, NONE of the other phones CANT do is.......
*Ovi Maps with free car and pedestrian navigation ANYWHERE in the WORLD!!! And you can also add your own voice.....if you like listening to yourself! ;)
12. Stoli89 (Posts: 333; Member since: 28 Jun 2010)
Yes...a great point. I travel internationally, so OVI maps is my primary navigation tool. With the new OS on Astound, you can download via Wifi, PC...or 3G (be careful, maps are data heavy). The slick customizable voice app also makes turn by turn more enjoyable. The maps are available globally and can be downloaded for FREE. This also means you do not need a network in order to get basic turn by turn navigation from the phone. However, the network will enhance your GPS speed (A-GPS) and with OVI maps, will allow you to get up to date traffic and other location based information (hotels in area with vacancies, restaurant bookings, theater showtimes, trains, etc.).
You can also use Google maps (free). But if you are out of network, OVI maps will not let you down.
9. Stoli89 (Posts: 333; Member since: 28 Jun 2010)
The Astound/C7 has an EDoF (Extended Depth of Field) camera, which is NOT fixed focus. More accurately, it's called FULL Focus. It basically uses the latest generation of variable symmetry lenses which are used to create multiple images in a compact camera housing. The images are fused in an initial process to produce a single shot, which is further processed. The advantages of FULL focus are best shown in good lighting conditions and with subjects beyond 2 feet from the lens. All elements in the picture will appear IN FOCUS beyond this distance. For HD video in a good lighting situation, the EDoF is hard to beat, especially when subjects are in motion. AF cameras have to maintain focus during video, which leads to intermittent out of focus shots. Not so with EDoF. The downsides. FULL Focus will not do macro. It will also produce over processed/poorer images in low light.
EDoF is a good all around camera for mid range phones. But it will not do macro, so business card/document scanning is off the table.
10. Stoli89 (Posts: 333; Member since: 28 Jun 2010)
Although S^3 is planned to get a major UI update which will also bring a more competitive native browser, customizable widget geometry, and new e-mail client...IMO you need to download some third party apps to improve the User Experience at this juncture. 1) Opera Mobile 11 (fantastic browser, free), 2) Gravity (3rd party social client aggregator & RSS reader).
Plenty of other 3rd party apps to choose from on OVI...my favorites...Tunewiki, Skype, Bloomberg, Pixelpipe, Qik, Vlingo Plus.
14. Nouman (unregistered)
most of things you did not mention here ... likehttp://www.mobile-phone.pk/nokia_astound-3202/ here i can see lots of other features of this mobile..
15. Amey (unregistered)
You forgot to mention NFC in the handset. This ones going to be the next thing in the US market....google has Nexus S with NFC and thats about it for NFC for now....
And yes the Broadcom GPU is really good.
16. Nina20021 (unregistered)
my phone has swype in both landscape and portrait...and BTW I AM IN LOVE with swype texting is so much easier because this phone isn't easy to txt on otherwise. I so have a issue tho...my phone dims in low light and brightens in bright light...and for the life of me I can't figure out how to fix this.
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2 killed, 1 injured when boat hits dock in NE Fla.
Published: Monday, May 27, 2013 at 9:54 p.m.
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ST. AUGUSTINE — Two men were killed and a woman was injured when their boat collided with a dock in northeast Florida.
The Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission says the 16-foot open motor boat collided with the dock Sunday night in St. Augustine. The three people on board were returning from a day of boating.
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Havok to compete with AGEIA for physicsby Tuan Nguyen on 11/2/2005 9:31 AM EST
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realphysics - Thursday, November 10, 2005 - linkIt is easy to jump to the bandwagon, but don't be hasty - those who create games develop and publish them have two issues related to physics. One: how much they have to pay companies such as Havok to get that physics toolkit..It isn't free folks.. Havok gets paid for every game for using their physics toolkit. Ageia has an SDK for physics which is FREE. There goes the economics for the game developers. Argument number two: Physics can never be AS REAL,VIVID OR IMMERSIVE or as envisioned or fancied by the game developers, or those who enjoy a gaming experience when the game itself is limited by the hardware that executes it (remember CPU and GPU were designed and developed more than a decade ago at least - with a completely different purpose and still serve those purposes). Don't confuse the issues. If you want mediocre physics - go for what you have in the market, if you want real physics and experience go for Ageia. You get what you pay for. Remember, in the future those who create, develop and publish games are going to realize they have even greater potential to express their creativity with the physics offloaded to hardware than can really perform and the SDK they use for it is FREE - not something that Havok offers - Go figure Reply
Nighteye2 - Thursday, November 03, 2005 - linkHavok FX vs AGEIA is like integrated graphics vs a video card. I expect developers will use Havok FX as a substitute for gamers that do not have an AGEIA card.
I find it hard to believe that a GPU already stressed by dozens of other things to calculate could outperform a dedicated PPU. Keep in mind that scenes with lots of physics have lots of moving components in them and those cast lots of shadows, so the scenes with the most physics calculations are likely to also be the ones that tax the GPU the most - even without cramming some of those physics calculations unto the GPU.
You'll probably see that the highest physics level in games will start to require an AGEIA PPU, just as some detail modes once required a 3DFX chip.
SynthDude2001 - Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - linkI like the idea in general, but I worry about performance. First of all, how would this perform compared to the discrete PPU (=how well would the GPU perform these types of calculations and how fast); and how will this affect 3D rendering? We don't know much about how this works right now, but you'd think that the computing cycles for these sorts of heavy calculations have to come from somewhere...the fact that they even admit that this would be better on dual GPU systems worries me. Unless you can use your old video card as a 'dedicated GPU-PPU', I'm definitely worried about performance. And since they say SM3 is required, only those upgrading from 6600/6800 cards will be able to do that anyway. I'm wondering if I'll be able to keep my AGP 6800GT and use it just for physics with this...but at that point, it would seem to make more sense to sell it and get a real PPU for about the same price.
In any case, like someone else said, I'm glad that another company (and not just a tiny one nobody has ever heard of) is starting to get serious and push physics processing. Reply
KristopherKubicki - Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - link
AGP 6800GT and use it just for physics with this
Unfortunately, AGP + any sort of physics computation doesn't seem very likely due to the asynchronous bandwidth.
Kristopher Reply
SynthDude2001 - Thursday, November 03, 2005 - linkaha, thanks for the clarification. I suppose it doesn't make too much of a difference since I'll be upgrading the video card by next summer, and I doubt any of this physics processing stuff will surface at retail before then anyway.
Still not sure how I feel about this, I guess it's really too early to know much of anything. I was looking forward to the stand-alone PPU, but if this idea catches on and provides similar physics performance without having to spend extra on a dedicated card...I'm all for it. I guess we'll have to wait and see. Reply
tfranzese - Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - link
Havok explains that its engine is able to offload such physics operations as collision detection, which on today's general purpose GPUs are very slow to compute. We spoke to Havok and they said:
I do believe you meant CPUs. Reply
KristopherKubicki - Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - linkUnfortunately, GPU is correct. Collision detection on a GPU is very poor because branch prediction on a chip that essentially only calculates scalar math is not very good.
Kristopher Reply
tfranzese - Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - linkWithin the context of the article then, that doesn't make a whole lot of sense considering Havocs position on a GPU vs. a PPU.
It'd be great to see an actual analysis on this stuff rather than all this endless speculation about how useful it could be. Reply
JarredWalton - Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - linkI think the point is that SM3.0 makes such computations more feasible (i.e. it wouldn't have been worth pursuing in the DX8 days). Reply
shabby - Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - linkThose poor poor ati users with sm2 cards... Reply
linuxOwnzIfUrLeet - Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - linkWhat if creative labs used all the supercomputing power of their new sound card to do physics?
JarredWalton - Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - linkMaybe Sony should sell a PS2-powered super-computer expansion card as well? Just think, Sony AND Creative working together on proprietary technology - who could stand against them!? :) Reply
ncage - Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - linkIf i had to guess nvidia/ati might be puting physic functions in their GPU as we get die shrinks. I think this is the best place to put it to. I can imagine some of the newer video cards will tought ppu functions. Ive heard some state that as amd/intel add more cores then they think that amd/intel would add specialized cores that would take care of the physics part of games. This makes no sense at all. How many people don't game? They would be adding features to a CPU that everyone would have to pay for yet only gamers could use. Oh wow i just got a new operteron 10 core cpu with 2 cores used for PPU for my Database server. They could add specialized cores that would help in more pipelined parallel operations (pretty much now a gpu is designed) but i dought they add specialized functions like this to the cpu. It makes much more sense to put it in the gpu and i don't think aegis can really compete with nvidia/ati. Reply
OrSin - Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - linkThe ATI video card in the new Xbox already off loads some physcial to a daughter GPU.
Sorry but I doubt the CPU is the Cause of slow downs in most games. What they really need to do is off load the physics to the second Core. All new console and most CPU are going to dual core and most games are just not setup for it. If they write for PPU then maybse some software can Translate that PPU to the other CPU in the system.
Makes the most since when trying to program. Reply
adamfarden - Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - linkHmmm if it does work out on PC's then maybe we could see in systems a high end GPU used for graphics, and a low end GPU used for physics... a great way to recycle your old graphics card! Reply
huges84 - Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - linkThat is exactly what I was thinking. However, that would only work for in the future when people's old cards are SM 3.0 capable. It wouldn't work for most ppl right now.
But then again, in the near future more people will have Dual Core CPUs. That would be the best way to go in my opinion, becuase you can use that second core for multitasking everyday, not just when playing games.
Also, if physics is such a big deal and has high demand, why don't AMD and Intel introduce new instructions into their next generation CPUs to help accelerate physics calculations. They did similar with SSE* to accelerate multimedia calculations. I think it would be better if that was done because that means that again everyone will eventually have a CPU that can do that, while eveeryone will not have a PPU or 2 GPUs. Reply
bersl2 - Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - linkA CPU can't perform operations in parallel the way a GPU can.
If graphics cards had open ISAs like CPUs do, there's no telling what kind of inventive uses people might find for them. The Wikipedia article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPGPU">lists various uses of the GPU, w/ links. Reply
bersl2 - Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - linkTo add to this, from an http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1867123...">ExtremeTech article (emphasis mine):
The third future project at ATI is dramatically improved support for the GPGPU scene. These are researches, mostly academic, that are tapping into the massive parallel computing power of graphics processors for general computing tasks, like fluid dynamics calculations, protein folding, or audio and signal processing. ATI's new GPU architecture should be better at GPGPU tasks than any that has come before, as it provides more registers per pipeline than either ATI's old architecture or Nvidia's new one. This is a sore spot for GPGPU developers but not really a limitation for game makers. The improved performance of dynamic branching in the new architecture should be a huge win for GPGPU applications as well. Developers working to enable general purpose non-graphics applications on GPUs have lamented the lack of more direct access to the hardware, but ATI plans to remedy that by publishing a detailed spec and even a thin "close to the metal" abstraction layer for these coders, so it can get away from using DirectX and OpenGL as an interface to the cards. Those are fine graphics APIs, but they're less than optimal for general purpose computing.
If this means what I think it means, it's a real gift not only for the GPGPU guys, but also for the DRI and Mesa projects. Reply
Shinei - Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - linkCg has been doing fluid dynamics simulations for at least a year by now (the demo of which you can download from nVidia's developer site (http://developer.nvidia.com))">http://developer.nvidia.com)), so an abstract layer that runs specifically on GPUs isn't new. However, I'd be curious to see if nVidia intends on releasing a physics-oriented version of their Cg instruction set that allows them to handle more general-purpose calculations to run as competition against AGEIA and Havok.
Which, of course, brings me to my next point--even if Havok offers this GPU-enabled physics engine, it's my understanding that AGEIA's NovodeX physics engine is about ten times as fast as Havok's current engine is, even when executed solely on CPU resources. Havok would have to significantly streamline their physics calculations if they ever intend to compete with NovodeX for speed, and especially if they want to keep the GPU usage levels low enough that the GPU can actually spend some time rendering the scene... Reply
Lord Zado - Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - linkPersonally, I don't really care whether Ageia's method or Havok's method is better. I'm just glad to see another company showing interest in this physics idea. I was really excited about the PPU when I first heard about it months ago, but I figured it was dead in the water since only one company was really pushing it and it didn't look too consumer friendly.
I think independant physics processing is the logical next evolution of gaming and I'm glad to see another company in the mix. Reply
rqle - Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - linkHonestly, I RATHER have Developer use their time to offload physics to the GPU or Duel core CPU when/if possible, even IF it is at a lost of a few physics effects. To me, a little less effect is better if more can benefit. A little more physics (assuming this AGEIA PPU is GREATER then developer what DEVELOPER can offload to CPU/GPU) isnt going to make a bad game good. Reply
Houdani - Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - linkVery valid point about developer resources. Consoles are the ideal market for Havok FX since they are a closed system, therefore developers know exactly what hardware is available and can tailor their software accordingly. On PCs (an open system), the decision isn't nearly as cut and dry. Reply
Houdani - Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - linkWhy would anyone want to put MORE burden on the graphics card when the graphics card is already the bottleneck (at higher resolutions or AA/AF)?
In Havok's own quote they state the GPU may be overtaxed as it is. And giving the overtaxed GPU the additional responsibility of handling physics processing is good why?
AGEIA may be a lame duck (mostly due to cost), but frankly I'm not really keen on Havok's idea.
I had bad thoughts about overburdened GPU's when ATI was tooting their own horn over GPU physics processing. Havok has just rekindled those thoughts. Oye! Reply
Griswold - Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - link
Why would anyone want to put MORE burden on the graphics card when the graphics card is already the bottleneck (at higher resolutions or AA/AF)?
Fear is about the only game that makes a vid card the bottleneck at a reasonable resolution right now. In most cases, the CPU is the bottleneck. If you take the physics load off the CPU and put it on the GPU, there shouldnt be much of a penalty - but the GPU apparently can process physics much faster than a CPU.
Alternatively, CryTek will support dualcores with the next version of the Farcry engine. They will let the physics engine run on a second core, if its available.
At any rate, I dont see many people buying a PPU card if there are other viable options to use existing hardware. Reply
JarredWalton - Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - linkThere are other games that tax the GPU quite a lot, like Doom 3, Quake 4, AOE3, etc. The question is how they tax the GPU. HL2 and FEAR do a lot of pixel shader stuff. Doom 3 and Quake 4 are more constrained by GPU memory bandwidth (for all the shadows among other things). So while D3/Q4 are GPU limited, there may still be unused GPU resources available.
How this all plays out remains to be seen, naturally. I'm skeptical but at the same time hopeful. Reply
Lord Zado - Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - linkI still think the route to go is some sort of all in one "Gamer Card" with the GPU and PPU on the same card. Even Havok admits that its method would work best with two GPU's. Well what's better: 2 GPU's or 1 GPU and 1 PPU?
The latter is probably cheaper unless you are buying really low end SLI cards. Reply
Griswold - Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - linkAGEIA is already dead before it was born.
Nobody in their right mind would shell out 200-300 bucks for some physics engine when the same can be done by your 200-300 dollar vid card. Reply
Crassus - Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - linkNow why would spending 200-300 $ for a PPU be so different from spending the same amount for a second grafics card? Reply
xtknight - Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - linkBecause there's no reasonable certainty that game devs will even use this thing we spent $300 for. Reply
dwalton - Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - linkI think this will force Ageia to introduce this type of off loading to the GPU function to their engine. I doubt many developers will want to use a physics engine that only can be take advantage of with a discrete PPU. This would be akin to offering SLI-only games.
However, offering an engine that flexible enough to be used by a CPU, GPU or a discrete PPU (depending on setup) enables the opportunity for developers to create games based off the AGEIA engine for all gamers. This will allow games to offer different physic feature sets depending on the setup. Im a fan of this scenario because it gives more flexibility to the gamer especially under the condition that any PPU would be generally cheaper than a highend GPU. It also offer a gradual transition to a GPU/PPU setup while not requiring a PPU.
It seems that offloading physics calcualtion to the GPU will come at cost of reducing the resources for actual graphics. It seems that under normal scenarios the most graphic intensive scenes will also be the ones that are also the most physic intensive. Its hard to believe that graphics and physics are inversely related and developers won't be forced to make graphical or physical sacrifices to enhance the other.
Using an old GPU card to function as a PPU card is a great idea. However, it seems that SLI and Crossfire are moving towards allowing different generation card SLI/CrossFire setups to enhance graphical performance as well. A PPU will allow extreme gamers who dont want to sacrifice graphical performance for physic performance to simply add a PPU to their SLI setup. A PPU and a flexible physic engine (if available now) would give gamers a choice of:
Extreme HighEnd
7800GTX-GT/6800Ultra-vanilla-6600GT-5XXX generation/PPU
7800GTX-GT/6800Ultra-vanilla-6600GT-5XXX generation
1800XT-XL/850XT-Pro-800XL-GTO-700PRO-9XXX generation/PPU
1800XT-XL/850XT-Pro-800XL-GTO-700PRO-9XXX generation
and so on and so on Reply
AndreasM - Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - linkThat's a good point, and would be the best case scenario for gamers. But Havok FX and most likely a possible Ageia GPU solution is limited to SM 3.0, so using an old GPU card wouldn't really be an option, especially so with Ati cards. But I'm not entirely convinced a GPU physics solution would be able to beat a true PPU. But I guess that will remain to be seen, hopefully Ageia releases their card soon. Reply
oneils - Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - linkHi Griswold, I agree with your post...but there are plenty of people who pay $500-$1000 for graphics cards (SLI), $300 for performance ram, $300 for a soundcard, and $200 for a 74gb raptor hard drive. These people will probably be buying a PPU if it means a performance increase of any kind for games.
S.O. Reply
oneils - Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - linkAlso, I have to admit, I'm guilty of the same excesses. I bought a 500$ vid card and a $1000 monitor. Never claimed to be sane, but that's the danger of hobbies.
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