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CPUID's CPU-Z Arrives on Android via Google Playby Brian Klug on 6/16/2013 4:50 AM EST
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Crono - Sunday, June 16, 2013 - linkExcellent, beats having several different apps showing me the same info. Reply
mayankleoboy1 - Sunday, June 16, 2013 - linkDoes the "Exynos Octa 5410" CPU-z screenshot means you are testing/reviewing the international SGS4 ? Reply
kascollet - Sunday, June 16, 2013 - linkSame question !! Reply
kascollet - Sunday, June 16, 2013 - link2 cores @ 250Mhz and 2 @ 600Mhz... core migration actually working on big.LITTLE ??? Reply
Brian Klug - Sunday, June 16, 2013 - linkYes I have the Korean (SHV-E300S) version.
-Brian Reply
Pityme11 - Sunday, June 16, 2013 - link2 Reviews less than 1 page in 2 weeks. Wow, you sure are putting in the extra hours. Reply
brshoemak - Sunday, June 16, 2013 - linkThe troll bridge is that-a-way ----->
However, I don't think there are any public hotspots that will reach under there. I don't know if Comcast service extends that far but it's worth a call - they're Comcastic afterall.
@Brian - Thanks for the info. I wouldn't have known it existed otherwise. Reply
xinthius - Sunday, June 16, 2013 - linkI don't recall you posting any reviews?
Thanks for the post Brian, it's interesting to see the core load and variable frequencies in realtime on my One X. Reply
MadMan007 - Sunday, June 16, 2013 - linkWhat does someone in the general public posting reviews have to do with anything? He isn't a full-time professional hardware reviewer. Reply
Impulses - Sunday, June 16, 2013 - linkNeither is most of the AT staff AFAIK, and they still do a far better job than most major sites and publications... Reply
JustCommonSense - Friday, June 21, 2013 - linkI don't think it's a review. Reply
enezneb - Sunday, June 16, 2013 - linkwhy is it that the clock frequencies in the screenshot aren't the same across all 4 cores when Exynos 5410 doesn't do asynchronous SMP? Reply
kascollet - Sunday, June 16, 2013 - link2 A7 cores + 2 A15 at the same time maybe ?
That would mean core migration is effective (and not only cluster migration). Reply
Brian Klug - Sunday, June 16, 2013 - linkIt's just a sampling bug since they're polling rather slowly in the app. If you use other means you'll see they're all the same clocks.
-Brian Reply
vshade - Sunday, June 16, 2013 - linkOn my nexus4 it shows a line on the SOC tab that says model, there it is written QCT APQ8064 MAKO, maybe they got your wish Reply
sleepeeg3 - Sunday, June 16, 2013 - linkIs there a game or utility that actually benefits from a faster processor on a phone? I still don't understand the need to have the fastest processor on a phone.
From overclocking for over a decade, more cores and MHz = faster power drain. The only time you see power saving improvements is when they change processors or decrease the cores/MHz. People whining about not having the latest octacore processor boggles my mind - idle cores drain power and making good use of extra cores through multithreading is heavily restricted in the number of applications. Reply
sleepeeg3 - Sunday, June 16, 2013 - link*change the design process Reply
Sagath - Sunday, June 16, 2013 - linkThis is my line of thought as well. Although multiple cores is fine due to power gating technology, I think it is safe to say that the majority of smartphone users want a snappy experience (be it games, apps, or just OS) and battery life that doesnt suck.
Why everyone gets all horney over number of cores and type is beyond me. Reply
theduckofdeath - Sunday, June 23, 2013 - linkFor instance the last two NFS games really are struggling to run smoothly on full HD, with the Snapdragon 600, and really don't give you a frame-rate that satisfies that need for speed.
Just because games run fine on smaller phones doesn't mean they don't benefit from more performance. Because more performance means that the can enable more rendering features. You can run PC games on integrated GPU's, too, but you still buy a $500 adapter to improve the experience, right? Reply
UpSpin - Sunday, June 16, 2013 - linkWhat boggles my mind is that people complain about faster SoCs. The more powerful the SoC the more you can do with your smartphone and finally do stuff you only were able to do on a laptop. So there's really no reason to complain about faster SoCs, as long as battery life remains similar, which it does, it even dramatically increased compared to the first smartphones.
And if you don't want the latest and greatest, then just don't buy the latest and greatest, but take the cheaper mid-range smartphones, which often have a much weaker SoC for people who don't do that much with their smartphone.
You also seem to not understand that the Octa-Core is more like two different quad cores build with two different processes for two different purposes. The first quad core is build on fast power node, consumes lots of power, but is fast itself. The second quad core is build on low power node, is small in size and very efficient. It's a method first introduced by NVidia with the Tegra and available for other ARM licensees as big.LITTLE. It's intended purpose is just to save power, nothing else, because if you shut down a core it consumes almost nothing. And if you can do a simple task on a smaller more efficient CPU in the same time compared to a power hungry large CPU, then you'll save power. Once you need more processing power (games, web surfing, ) the big part kicks in. So no, idle cores drain no power, see power gating. Reply
Impulses - Sunday, June 16, 2013 - linkI haven't used a current gen phone on a daily basis yet, but I noticed a huge improvement in general use and multi taking throughout all three previous gen phones I've had... (original single core Snapdragon to dual to Krait) I'm sure RAM and other factors played a role, but I don't know that we've reached that point where mobile performance is "good enough" like we did a few years ago in desktops or even laptops... The smartphone usage model is still evolving rapidly and a lot of heavy processing services and functions are currently being offloaded to cloud services because mobile devices just aren't fast enough. Upgrades to other elements (like display density) also demand fasterhardware, and smartphones are gonna continue to benefit from gains achieved in efficiency and performance even if the target for the latter shifts to tablets and larger devices. Reply
Zink - Monday, June 17, 2013 - linkIdle cores barely drain any power with modern power gating and higher frequencies allow hardware to "race to sleep", minimally impacting power consumption. High frequencies and core counts mean I don't have to wait 30 seconds for webpages to load anymore even while installing updates which is nice. Octocore phones in the current gen have been engineered to reduce power consumption, having two different quad cores together is a more power efficient way of providing high performance than one fast quad core.
I just installed CPU-Z on my Nexus 4 and I can see two CPU cores running at 1.5 GHz installing updates and running the UI while the other two cores are either "stopped" and completely power gated or running at low frequency to efficiently complete background processes. If needed for tasks like 3D gaming or video editing all four cores can work together on the same task which can provide power savings over 2 high frequency cores. Having a faster processor is often desirable because it reduces the wait time for tasks to complete. Humans have limited time and short attention spans so this is beneficial for most smartphone use cases. Reply
mooninite - Monday, June 17, 2013 - linkIf CPU-Z was written by competent individuals they would know to read /proc/cpuinfo for all their CPU details. Reply
Calin - Monday, June 17, 2013 - linkI have the LG E-730 (Optimus Sol), and it doesn't give frequency, only the processor as "ARMv7 Processor rev 2 (v71)", 681 BogoMIPS, Features (swp half thumb fastmult vfp edsp neon vfpv3), with CPU implementer: 0x51 and some other hexadecimal values. Reply
reggjoo1 - Tuesday, June 18, 2013 - linkI was happy when I saw that cpuz made a android app, until I tried to download it, and found out it doesn't work on gingerbread. If anybody needs a app like this, it's gingerbread, so we can find out certain things that other, less professional app can't tell us, that's the only way these phones can get off of gingerbread, and onto a better version of android. Reply
JustCommonSense - Friday, June 21, 2013 - linkOr you could just not use a phone from 2009? Reply
chrone - Wednesday, June 19, 2013 - linki hope they will incorporate soc temperature in the future. :) Reply
hefesku - Wednesday, June 26, 2013 - linksuper app , now i know samsung is liying , it says pfoa 1 ghz core processor and in fact it is locked at 600 mhz ... Reply


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A WARRIORS star has thrown his muscle into tackling cancer as he helps a charity raise £20 million during a colossal coffee morning.
Wales International and last season's Worcester Warriors captain Jonathan Thomas will join thousands of people across the UK when they take part in the World's Biggest Coffee Morning on Friday, September 26 to raise money for Macmillan Cancer Support.
Worcester-based company Book O Tel are also championing Macmillan's local fundraising this year. Owner and director Simon Scott and his son Nick joined in with the coffee scrum at the Warriors Sixways Stadium this week to help raise awareness of the fundraiser
Events are being held across Worcester on the day and anyone is welcome to attend the 'open to the public' World's Biggest Coffee Mornings.
Worcestershire Macmillan Citizens Advice Caseworker Gill Cornwell is holding her own event as part of the national coffee morning.
She said: "It's a great opportunity for the Macmillan Benefits advice team based here in Worcester to meet people who may need our financial guidance to help them access the support they need when affected by a cancer diagnosis. Many people aren't aware of the support we can offer, for free, and by supporting World's Biggest Coffee Morning we hope to meet more people who need our help and expertise. All are welcome to attend our event and show support for people living with cancer."
This is the 24th year of the World's Biggest Coffee Morning and Macmillan hopes to beat the £20 million raised last year.
All the money raised will be used to help fund the charity's vital services from specialist nurses and doctors, to grants and advice for people who have money problems because of their illness.
Those who want to support the fundraiser can come along to St John's Community Centre between10am and noon on the day.
To take part go to www.macmillan.org.uk/coffee or call 0845 602 1246
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Often as we meet with faculty and staff at higher education institutions we are asked about the relevance of Adobe applications on campus. Adobe Acrobat is certainly seen as a tool that nearly everyone uses to effectively share electronic documents and forms. However, Adobe's creative tools like Photoshop, InDesign, Dreamweaver, Premiere Pro, etc. are seen as being used by only those in niche programs.
With more and more people online and using mobile devices as well as video increasingly being used to share ideas and information, more robust digital communication skills are needed. Faculty and staff can develop a variety of digital content to enhance student engagement both in the classroom and online. Students can "round out" their skillset to demonstrate to prospective employers their ability to communicate through video, web content, and mobile apps regardless of their degree.
A fantastic resource showcasing the use of Adobe creative tools in an academic setting can be found at www.adobeforacademics.com. This site hosts an ever-increasing number of academic projects including sample assets. Additionally, you can filter the types of projects displayed by digital content (activity), academic discipline, or Adobe application (product). Take a look, try some of the projects, and let us know what you think!


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FREESTYLE skier Emma Lonsdale fulfilled her Olympic dream today but despite two strong runs in halfpipe qualification fell short of making the finals.
Settle-born Lonsdale – a member of Kendal Snowsports Club – recorded scores of 53.80 and 53.20 to finish 18th which was not enough to make the top 12.
"It was fun, a bit nerve-wracking but I enjoyed it and hope my family are proud of me," Lonsdale told the BBC.
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Howdy,I represent a UK based workwear company and our rankings have fallen following Penguin 2.0. We are a relatively small company compared to many competitors and have noticed the arrival of large companies in the serps. Many are not even in the workwear sector and pretty irrelevant which is annoying. We have not received any correspondence from Google, but our fall from grace particularly for the word workwear has been big. Is it worth emailing Google? We have attempted to remove bad links, is it worth using disavow?
Any help or advice would be much appreciated.
Google will not answer. A clean site with no questionable links and (can't say something clear here really).... I mea, sites with no spammy appearance or content are safe, still many got hit, the thing is, it's not really clear what G is considering spammy or how they consider a site to be so. Been reading testimonials regarding anchor and keywords from within the site pointing to other parts of the same site. This is really complex
How do you know it's Penguin 2.0 that's affecting your rankings. I thought 2.0 was supposed to help smaller sites and companies. If you had bad links, then that probably was the problem. I would recommend to get rid of bad links and start building links and popularity naturally.
No there no use of email as they have made an algorithm update. You are not hit by any manual plenty. And come on its just an algo update one can recover from it.
I think, The reason dropping of your website is bad and irrelevant links. Yes it is worth using disavow. You don't worry. Using of disavow your all bad links will remove and after some time your ranking will improve.
Google have said that unless you get an alert to warn you that you are being hurt by bad links, there is no need to use the Disavow tool.
i think u have used that anchor text too many times to create backlinks and thats why it got hit and now will be found in very later pages in Google
let the mud settle before u do anything else
Hello All,
I was away when Google updated penguin 2.0 and my seo work was stop for two week.My keywords have been dropped from first page to second page,third page of Google.I was working on quality links.Let me know, what is reason behind that?
With the recent Panda 2.0 update on 22 May 2013 my site is lost our top position (10th) for all top keywords e.g "free dating sites" and "free online dating sites". In fact we are ranking on my site as floating since April 2012 when Panda and Penguin update was rolled out in the span of less than a week. Since then the traffic was flat and never picked up. The major drop in the traffic I came on 27 September 2012 when Google launched when Google launched Panda #20 and EMD (Exact match domain) update. Since then the traffic on the site is dropping and never picked up.
In fact we did not do back linking. The only thing we have been doing is posting articles, social bookmarking and maintaining social profiles on (FB, Twitter and Pinterest). No Back linking in past 18 months.
I am clueless what to do now!!
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The only thing I could think of here is that your website has received bad back links from other sites. I think Disavow can help but you need to do more. Don't worry, if you keep putting up good links (organic white hat), there's a good chance your website ranking will go up. You're not alone in this dilemma.
Penguin 2.0 was a strange update for me. My blogs got more traffic, as did most of my content heavy sites. While other sites with many outgoing links got clobbered.
Well try these if you see a decline overall after peng 2,
Also see if you are hit by panda if you have any dupliate content
I think its better to use the Disallow tool to get recover from Search engine ranking. I have too experience for these all update. And I am now focusing over Content and Social Media sites.
You have to use disavow link tool. Complete an audit of existing backlinks, flagging any low quality, paid and exact match anchor text links using one of the many tools available. Next, start the process of removing the most toxic ones first using disavow link too, progressively working through your list of links.


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Asus Bringing Android 3.2 To Eee Pad Transformers Tomorrowby Jason Inofuentes on 7/27/2011 4:56 PM EST
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Yofa - Wednesday, July 27, 2011 - linkdid you know xoom canada customers are still stuck on the original honeycomb release? lame... envious of the rest of you. Reply
Spike - Wednesday, July 27, 2011 - linkJust ordered one of these for my wife, it's nice to know that they are rolling out the updates rapid like. Reply
arbarath - Wednesday, July 27, 2011 - linkUpdate is available in singapore n have done update.. Its more snappy n finally it shows battery usage stats by applications.. Reply
3DoubleD - Thursday, July 28, 2011 - linkWhen can we expect the Asus Transformer 2? The lack of high profile H.264 support is the only thing holding me back from the current model. I refuse to transcode my entire video library, it was a ridiculously short sighted omission by Nvidia to launch the Tegra 2 without high profile support. It's 2011!!!
Any speculation on the release date would be great! I've seen anything from Q3 to Q4 to Q1 2012. Q3 is looking less likely at this point, but one can still hope for early Q4 right? Reply
Davros - Thursday, July 28, 2011 - linkI know I have not seen any hard or soft dates for Tegra 3/Kal-El hardware of any kind yet. I currently assume that the speculated Nov.-Dec. release dates for tablets with this chipset will be the very earliest they will happen since it would be silly to release without Android 4.0 available (and hopefully debugged a bit). I would not be shocked to see them slip to Q1 2012, though the Christmas season might again force a release before the OS and drivers are really ready.
We do have the OMAP 4460 (1.5GHz ARM Cortex A9) based Archos tablets coming in September which might have the horsepower you need (though Archos' build quality and software stability are not known to be strong). Reply
3DoubleD - Thursday, July 28, 2011 - linkThen let's hope that Android 4.0 is out early enough for the Nov-Dec release. I'd rather a finished product that be a beta tester!
They demonstrated Kal-El several months ago, so let's hope that means Nvidia has put the chip in the hands of all the right engineers. The OMAP 4460 would be fine in the transformer as well, I have no preference for Nvidia, as long as proper video acceleration support is there. Reply
JasonInofuentes - Thursday, July 28, 2011 - linkTruth be told, as @davros mentioned, the Archos tablets might be a better fit for you since they're always designed with media playback in mind. See our Archos piece from the 19th and expect more on that soon. Thanks. Reply
pixelstuff - Monday, August 01, 2011 - linkI'm beginning to think that the best company to buy a tablet from is someone used to making PC hardware. Someone who is used to writing drivers and providing timely updates. Reply


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Number of players:
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One player is asked to leave the room.
While they are away the others decide "who they are" when they return.
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One will say a hat, another a hose, another a dalmatian, and so on.
If the "guesser" goes all the way around the circle without guessing what they are, then they must go out again.
Then the remaining children will choose something else for them to be.
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NEW YORK ( TheStreet) -- Here are 10 things you should know for Monday, Aug. 26: 1. -- U.S. stock futures were pointing to slight losses when Wall Street opens Monday on continued uncertainty over the timing of the Federal Reserve's wind-down of its monetary stimulus program. European stocks were trading lower; markets in the U.K. were closed. Asian shares rose Monday, except for Japan where the Nikkei 225 index declined 0.2%.
2. -- The economic calendar in the U.S. Monday includes durable-goods orders for July at 8:30 a.m. EDT.
3. -- U.S. stocks on Friday rose and the S&P 500 closed the week in positive territory after shrugging off a brief dip on a weak new-home sales report. The S&P 500 added 0.39% to close at 1,663.50. The index increased 0.46% for the week. The Dow Jones Industrial Average rose 0.31% to 15,010.51. The blue-chip index slipped 0.47% for the week. The Nasdaq booked a 0.52% gain on Friday to finish at 3,657.79. The tech-heavy index jumped 1.52% for the week, despite having to shut down trading on the exchange for three hours Thursday after a rare technical malfunction.
4. -- Amgen ( AMGN), the world's largest biotechnology company by sales, reached a deal to buy cancer drugmaker Onyx Pharmaceuticals ( ONXX) for about $10.4 billion in cash. Amgen will acquire Onyx for $125 a share; the deal is expected to be completed at the beginning of the fourth quarter. Under the deal, Amgen would gain full rights to Kyprolis, a new drug to treat multiple myeloma, according to Reuters. The drug could reach peak sales of more than $2 billion a year, the news agency said, citing analysts. Onyx rejected an offer from Amgen worth $120 a share in June.
5. -- Microsoft ( MSFT) shares rose 7.3% on Friday to $34.75 after CEO Steve Ballmer said he would step down after his successor is chosen within the next 12 months. "There is never a perfect time for this type of transition, but now is the right time," Ballmer said in a statement. "We have embarked on a new strategy with a new organization and we have an amazing Senior Leadership Team." Ballmer added that because of the company's ongoing transition into a device and services company, "we need a CEO who will be here longer term for this new direction."
6. -- New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman sued Donald Trump for $40 million, saying the real estate mogul helped run a phony "Trump University" that promised to make students rich but instead steered them into expensive and mostly useless seminars, and even failed to deliver promised apprenticeships. Trump said the lawsuit is false and politically motivated. Schneiderman said many of the 5,000 students who paid up to $35,000 thought they would at least meet Trump but instead all they got was their picture taken in front of a life-size picture of "The Apprentice" TV star. "Trump University engaged in deception at every stage of consumers' advancement through costly programs and caused real financial harm," Schneiderman said. "Trump University, with Donald Trump's knowledge and participation, relied on Trump's name recognition and celebrity status to take advantage of consumers who believed in the Trump brand."
7. -- Spain's Telefonica agreed to raise its bid for KPN's German unit E-Plus to a package worth $11.4 billion, and KPN's largest shareholder, America Movil, said it supported the deal. But America Movil, Mexican billionaire Carlos Slim's group, which said it now owns 29.77% of KPN, reiterated it still plans to go ahead with its proposed €7.2 billion ($9.65 billion) bid in cash for the remaining shares in the Dutch group, Reuters reported.


text: NEW YORK ( TheStreet) -- Alessandro Di Benedetto just finished last in the race of his life. Not merely last, but dead last, more than 5,000 miles behind the winners as they sailed into fame and glory. He was wet, alone and injured, slogging along with piddly, outmoded technology. Which by rights, In our dog-eat-dog digital age, should make Di Benedetto a role model to exactly nobody, and most certainly not a bankable metaphor investors can use to suss out value in a complex marketplace that can be as unforgiving as the cold Antarctic seas. But, over the past few months I -- and millions of others -- have followed this Franco-Italian's exploits via his on-board Web clips, emailed messages and wacky French media coverage as he circled the globe in a long-distance sailing race called the Vendee Globe. It turns out this man is a veritable pirate's chest of investor inspiration. "You know, before the race, I once took patients from a psychiatric hospital at sea. And the strongest on board were not the accompanying nurses, they were the patients, people we call crazy," was the translation I read from Di Benedetto's speech in French to a delirious throng of thousands after his finish in Les Sables-d'Olonne, the French sea resort town where the Vendee begins and ends. This same crowd carried him over their heads for no other reason than they adored him so -- an honor I've never seen any sports hero get from the otherwise cranky French. "We have one of the smallest budgets in the race and yet we finished," he told journalists. This former engineer -- essentially a sailing amateur -- became the star of this year's Vendee, a 26,000 mile single-handed, around-the-world sailing marathon, an event that is bigger than the Olympics in many ways in Europe. Its winners accomplish this feat in almost absurdly powerful, high-tech and heavily funded 60-foot sailboats. With a fraction of these dollars, Di Benedetto built a Web brand to match any of his rivals. Di Benedetto's on-board videos and content were wildly popular and, unlike most other racers, his finish was covered live over the Web. In the process, he turned his sponsors -- a handful of otherwise forgettable European plastic parts makers calling themselves Team Plastique -- into a European household name. At least in my mind, all this makes Di Benedetto the rarest of rare commodities: a kind of investor's rudder for navigating the stormy digital economy.


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Dorchester Town have moved quickly to reassure fans following shock news about a potential winding-up petition.
The Magpies, who host Tonbridge Angels this afternoon (3pm), were made aware of the notice late on Friday evening and have since posted the following statement on their official website.
It reads: "Late on Friday the board of directors became aware of the Ministry of Justice website which showed Dorchester Town Football Club Ltd listed with a winding-up petition for Monday morning.
"The board was shocked and surprised as the club is up-to-date with all creditors. The club has not received any notice of a winding-up petition and confirmed there was no notice in the London Gazette.
"As it was late on Friday the relevant offices were closed but the board can only assume it is an administrative error. The board wishes to reassure supporters that the club is on a good financial footing particularly after our run in the FA Cup."
Echosport has this afternoon contacted chairman Shaun Hearn and he expressed his shock, saying: "This has come completely out of the blue.
"We don't owe anybody any money and hopefully it will be put to bed on Monday."
* The Magpies' Dorset Senior Cup home clash with Hamworthy United has been rescheduled for November 6 (7.45pm).


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In Which I Implore The Mets To Sign Ramon Castro
Just when you thought the hot stove was down to its final ember, the rumor mill sputtered to life last night! Mike Puma of the New York Post reported that the Mets were interested in signing Ivan Rodriguez. Adam Rubin reported that no, they weren't. I'm going with Rubin on… Read More →


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NEWPORT County AFC's new interim chairman David Hando insists the club is gunning for the Football League after the move to Rodney Parade, writes Michael Pearlman.
The Argus sat down yesterday with director Howard Greenhaf, director of football Tim Harris, boss Justin Edin-burgh and Hando following a week that saw Chris Blight quit the club over abusive phone calls to his home.
They revealed that:
- A date has been set for the AGM – in August – and letters will be sent out shortly;
- The County board of directors, currently down to one, will welcome four new members within the next week;
- The club will welcome any discussion with any party over investment ;
- It would not have been possible to push for promotion if the Exiles had remained at Spytty Park;
- Former chairman Chris Blight will be offered life membership of the club.
Hando, already president of the club after his efforts in resurrecting them in 1989, insists he is merely "keeping the seat warm" until a permanent successor to Blight is appointed.
On investment, he said: "As soon as anyone comes to us with a tangible offer or plan to be able to help us, we will welcome that.
"We must buckle down now and do everything we can to help Justin, because our ultimate aim is for the Football League.
"We all need to work together to make Rodney Parade a great success. If we had stayed at Spytty we could've given up any chance of promotion.
"Anyone who can help us with that, we'd be delighted to hear from."
However, Hando isn't concerned about abusive calls.
"Anyone who wants to talk to us can have my email, my phone number, and my wife Mary assures me she'll deal with any abuse, so abusers beware," he joked.
Hando feels the club owe a debt to ex-chairman Blight.
"We acknowledge a great debt to Chris Blight and great regret that he's gone in this way," he said.
"We want to reward him and would like to make him a life member, he's done so much for the club.
"Howard Greehaf is a great worker and a real inspiration, he's done a super job and soon enough we will announce additions to not only the team on the pitch, but on the board also."


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Color Gamut in Smartphones: Why Bigger isn't Always Betterby Joshua Ho on 3/3/2014 9:22 AM EST
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Braumin - Monday, March 03, 2014 - linkSurprising none of the mobile OS actually have any sort of color profiling. They're all based on a OS that DOES have it. Reply
BMNify - Monday, March 03, 2014 - linkAll the Nokia Lumia phones come with Colour profile options. Reply
tipoo - Monday, March 03, 2014 - linkI don't think you're talking about the same thing. Reply
BMNify - Monday, March 03, 2014 - linkI just answered in this context "Surprising none of the mobile OS actually have any sort of color profiling". And Nokia Lumia phones do come with basic colour profile options which is helpful in setting up the screen colour temperature and colour saturation, which if of great help for over saturated OLED screens. You can check screenshots here:
http://imgur.com/X4N7Isb Reply
Braumin - Monday, March 03, 2014 - linkI didn't mean this exactly I meant more like ICC profiles. I've yet to see the Nokia profiles tested to see if they can actually make the display more accurate, but my gut feeling is that it's just to tailor the output to an owner's preference rather than make it match the correct color.
I do have a Lumia 1020 so I know what you're talking about though. Reply
althaz - Monday, March 03, 2014 - linkWindows Phone DOES have this...but I don't think it's used at all (could be wrong though) and it's not reachable by 3rd party developers. Reply
nickggully - Monday, March 03, 2014 - linkI don't see how a gamut and accuracy are related as long as the gamut is equal to or wider than the sRGB profile. As long as display is calibrated or has good quality control, you will have a more reliable picture. If somebody were to make a ROYGBIV display, with even more pixel spectra, it would depend on quality production and testing. Reply
JoshHo - Monday, March 03, 2014 - linkIf the gamut exceeds sRGB the display can be inaccurate, please reference the saturation sweep test in the article that shows how this happens.
That is the fundamental misunderstanding that I hope to correct. Reply
Solandri - Monday, March 03, 2014 - linkWhile it is a misconception, I think "correcting" it is going about it backwards. The real fix is for devices to accept color profiles. If the display is profiled, then having a larger-than-sRGB gamut does no harm. You just set it to sRGB mode and the colors are perfect (or close to it). A display with a too-small gamut OTOH can *never* accurately show sRGB.
The fact that the display can show those super-saturated colors outside of sRGB is not a problem. Those colors are possible, so a bigger gamut comes closer to representing what we can see in the real world with our eyes. The problem is with mapping pictures and videos into that color space - i.e. the lack of a calibrated color profile.
In fact I'd go so far as to say that stating a too-big gamut is bad just creates a new misconception. People start to think displays which can *only* show up to sRGB are best. When in reality a profiled display that can show something bigger like Adobe RGB is better. Reply
JoshHo - Monday, March 03, 2014 - linkI think there's some kind of miscommunication here. It doesn't matter how wide the gamut of the uncalibrated display is, what matters is the calibrated profile. Reply
fteoath64 - Monday, March 03, 2014 - linkJosh, I think you are right but being very clinical about accuracy. Nothing wrong with that but worth noting as "over-saturation" of colours could be the preference for some. ie Being overaccurate becomes inaccurate because it veers outside the accurate line. This is not dissimilar to audio equalizer where the settings corrects the frequencies that matter to the person, thus closing in on the preference. Maybe the preference is 10% over pure accurate but that would be ok as it is a preference. Only for PRO work do people quest for acuracy. In normal cases, preference typically overrides everything else. Colors popping out for AMOLED displays attracted many fans while some just got a srong turn-off. It is preference at play!.
If you look at the Mac screen with its colour calibration, many people prefer a slight blue tint rather than a brownish gray tint that is more accurate for the display. Reply
bradleyg5 - Tuesday, March 04, 2014 - linksRGB is NOT a stardard all display manufacturers, all OS creators, all printers, all content creators adhear to. sRGB is the most common and in a lot of instances assumed, but you can't just go around calling every display that doesn't come out of the box calibrated for sRGB innaccurate.
You mean to say large gamut displays tend to display sRGB content innaccurately. Reply
emn13 - Tuesday, March 04, 2014 - linkIs that really the case, though? Calibration focuses on absolute color accuracy, and while that's an impeccable standard, it's not really close to how human vision works - a more lenient standard can be perceptually better in fact, by exploiting the fact that the white balance of the device (for instance) should be approximately equal to its surroundings.
Furthermore, although you can more "accurately" display sRGB images if correctly profiled, you can be almost positive that most images aren't intrinsically sRGB; they're just produced in the most common color space. The sRGB representation isn't necessarily the most accurate representation of the underlying conceptual image; it's just all you have. If the underlying image had out-of-gamut colors (quite likely, given how small sRGB is), then most imaging software/hardware will choose to introduce saturation errors, rather than the more disturbing hue errors, and so simply rendering the image in an enlarged gamut may in fact be *more* accurate.
The point is, you want to achieve something that looks good & realistic. If you follow sRGB precisely, you're safe that you know you'll be OK. But you're being accurate to the *representation* not necessarily the original photographic subject and/or artistic intent, and *that's* what actually matters.
The fact that people routinely oversaturate sRGB images is an indication that sRGB is simply too small.
As an analogy: sRGB color accuracy is to color quality as a microbenchmark is to a real power-hungry workload. It's a useful and illustrative, but it's *not* the ultimate aim. Reply
makruiten - Thursday, March 06, 2014 - linkI think it's clear that the author doesn't imply that sRGB as a standard is the most accurate choice. Rather, he says that sRGB is the most widely used color space and that therefore any OS without color awareness and a too large color gamut will wrongly display most of the available content. And this is especially true for a mobile OS, since most content is on the web. I'm all in for larger gamut displays with proper color management and I'm sure the author of the article is too. Let's all make the shift. Reply
quickbunnie - Monday, March 03, 2014 - linkThis is a good article, and you explain why wide color gamuts become inaccurate under improper constraints (saturation compression) or no constraints. However, isn't the solution to simply use proper constraints (ie no saturation compression) during calibration? I believe the galaxy note 3 does this using its movie mode.
If you want to use vanilla Android with no color profiles, then yes, you don't want a wide gamut calibration (and thus obviate the need for a wide gamut display).
But I agree with the comments of other users that the solution isn't to keep using sRGB gamuts, as this will never improve the gamut that we use. Instead, the solution is to have wide gamut technologies that are properly calibrated to sRGB, and can switch to a wider colorspace when the on-screen content encodes for it (such as viewing Adobe RGB photos). Otherwise, we will forever be limited to colorspace ignorant OS'es and be tied down to the dull sRGB colorspace. Reply
jordanclock - Monday, March 03, 2014 - linkThe article explains this in that Android does not have any kind of built-in color control. What this means is that if the display has too wide of a color gamut, the OS isn't aware of this. This causes colors sent by the OS to the display to differ, since the OS doesn't know its idea of "dark blue" or "bright green" are different from the displays spread of colors.
Basically, it's like telling someone coordinates on a map, but their map has wider units on the X axis and shorter units on the Y axis. Reply
lilo777 - Monday, March 03, 2014 - linkThe device can take care of it by providing several display modes. As I understand, in this case the device would change driver settings so that in certain modes the driver uses only a segment of the gamut. This way user may chose to do a sRGB gamut (available on most phones like iPhone) or a wide gamut. Reply
fteoath64 - Monday, March 03, 2014 - linkYes, I agree with Lilo777. It does seem the display will ditter/spread the colour depending on its mode. It is not great but better use of the wide gamut. Let's us hope Android gets the colour support fully to make good use of the brilliant screen soon. Reply
editorsorgtfo - Thursday, March 06, 2014 - linkAn easy means to see why this is important is to find an Anaglyph Video (perhaps on YouTube) and watch it on your PC, make certain it has reasonable color and most importantly no ghosting.
Next watch the same Video on your Cellphone - ouch ! Reply
Krysto - Monday, March 03, 2014 - linkBut from what I understand that doesn't have much to do with the fact that the display has wider gamut per se - just that OEMs tend to screw with the wider gamut to make it "pop" or they don't try to make it accurate enough.
But assuming they do keep the colors accurate, isn't a wider gamut preferable - even if CURRENT content doesn't support it? Isn't that how progress happens? Maybe we ought to have a "retina moment" for color gamut, too, while sRGB is the "old standard"?
Unless you're saying sRGB is "more than enough for the human eye", but I don't think that's quite true, is it? Reply
Darkstone - Monday, March 03, 2014 - linksRGB is not 'enough' for the human eye. In fact, the stomped triangle shape is based on the physical aspects of the human eye. That is the reason why, in the first diagram (CIE 1931), there if much more green than red or blue. The human eye is more sensitive to green.
The issue is that we have been using sRGB as the standard color profile since... well, since the beginning of the web. It is not so easy to switch to an different standard. In theory most web browsers support images with color profiles embedded, but in practice there is still a lot of content that isn't color space aware.
Another problem is that ferry few monitors have full sRGB coverage. I estimate that 95% of all laptops on the market are unable to show more than 80% of the sRGB standard. There are only 2 consumer laptops that i know of that come close to aRGB (which is often used for printing), end neither of those are still available to buy. It is hard to motivate people to embed color spaces into their images when there are barely monitors that support that.
On the desktop space it is a different story though. Reply
JoshHo - Monday, March 03, 2014 - linkThis doesn't have anything to do with the native gamut of the display. All that matters is the end result that is exposed to the OS.
This isn't quite like pixel density, it's important for standards to be set or else there's no way to ensure that content will look correct on other displays. Reply
bengildenstein - Monday, March 03, 2014 - link"Too large or too small of a gamut makes for inaccurate color reproduction."
This is not strictly true. The Galaxy Note 3 was measured to have very accurate calibration despite the larger gamut. This gamut was confined to a smaller gamut in so-called "movie mode," and measured to have excellent sRGB accuracy to add to its other great generational performance improvements (contrast, viewing luminance, viewing angle colour shift, power efficiency, brightness, etc). This was tested by Display Mate.
In the case of the Galaxy S5, the large colour gamut is actually being used to counter-act non-white ambient light (eg. fluorescent/incandescent lighting) by tweaking the AMOLED colours to display more accurate colour given this bias. In this case, the larger gamut is being used precisely to offer more accurate colours. It supposedly uses a custom imaging processor to do this. I expect this is a refinement of the Galaxy Note 3's panel, but precise testing will need to confirm this.
It's popular to associate larger than sRGB colour gamut with inaccurate colours. In a way this makes sense: the majority of media is calibrated somewhere around this standard. But it is also easy to forget the other characteristics that dictate a good viewing experience, not to mention the fact that the human eye is capable of viewing a far larger gamut yet. The last point is of worthy consideration, considering that we are rooted well into a future long past when the sRGB standard was established. Reply
JoshHo - Monday, March 03, 2014 - linkRelative to the target colorspace too large is a problem. And the Note 3 continues to have poor calibration on sRGB, DisplayMate is consistent in its relaxation of standards for AMOLED displays. The Note 3 is considered good in its constraint to sRGB at 113% yet the Xperia Z has too large a gamut at 115%.
There's nothing wrong with a display that has a larger native gamut, the key is that the end result must be well controlled to ensure that content is shown as intended. Reply
bengildenstein - Monday, March 03, 2014 - linkRegardless of the terms used to describe competing screens 13% (or 15%) north of standard is still very good. Some would argue that a 13% difference is academic.
Of course, this doesn't speak to the points made about the larger gamut used to account for ambient lighting, nor does it speak to the ageing sRGB standard. For that matter, it doesn't speak to the amount of media that was actually calibrated for sRGB at the moment of creation or even created via a calibrated display. Reply
JoshHo - Monday, March 03, 2014 - linkThat has nothing to do with a clearly different grading scale for AMOLED and LCD. If 113% sRGB is accurate, then 115% sRGB counts as accurate as well. Because of this inconsistency, using DisplayMate as a standard for judging calibration accuracy is indefensible.
Once again, it doesn't matter what the native, uncalibrated gamut of the display is. As long as the calibrated profile of the display is calibrated to the target colorspace (sRGB for almost all cases), then that's all that matters.
The whole point of calibrating to sRGB is that it has been the standard for almost two decades now, just about everything is created using sRGB as the expected color space. Absent knowledge of the intended color space, sRGB has to be assumed.
At any rate, Reply
ltcommanderdata - Monday, March 03, 2014 - linkIs part of the problem with color accuracy for existing sRGB content on larger gamut displays that if the display remains 24-bit, there is insufficient bit depth to accurately present sRGB content on say a 24-bit Adobe RGB display? Is this why 30-bit or higher displays are associated with larger gamut color spaces?
And for games what are the roles of sRGB textures and framebuffers for color accuracy? They were only just mainlined in OpenGL ES 3.0 so mobile is behind in this regard. Reply
User.Name - Monday, March 03, 2014 - linkYes, this is part of the problem. As you increase the gamut, the individual "steps" that each 8-bit value represents get further and further apart from each other.
So an 8-bit wide gamut display would probably be worse at displaying an 8-bit sRGB image, than an 8-bit display whose gamut is much closer to the sRGB spec.
Moving to a wider gamut display, you would ideally increase the bit-depth at the same time.
Going from 8-bit (256 steps) to 10-bit (1024 steps) should be sufficient to move from sRGB to Adobe RGB.
As the gamut expands beyond Adobe RGB (BT.2020 for example) you would want to move to 12-bit color (4096 steps) or possibly even more. Reply
makruiten - Thursday, March 06, 2014 - linkThat is assuming that 8 bit is just barely enough for the sRGB standard. I don't think this the case. It is said that the human eye is 'only' capable of discerning 10,000,000 different colors, which would mean that the 8 bit standard would accurately cover any gamut that lies within the color spectrum of the perception. However, sensitivity of the human eye is not linear, so 8 bit /could/ be to small for certain parts of the spectrum. I do not know the answer to that, but you would think that the 12 bit standard is based on something (could be marketing, could be science). It's not as straightforward as make it anyway. Either that, or you have knowledge beyond mine, which is perfectly possible. Reply
User.Name - Monday, March 03, 2014 - linkHaving a wider color gamut is a good thing, as long as two things are in place:
1. You have a properly functioning color management system
2. You are using sufficient precision to avoid banding
The problem is that color management has traditionally been so bad on PCs, that just about everything on the web is designed for sRGB and this has transferred over to smartphones as well.
Just look at the state of color management on the desktop - Firefox is still the only browser which is capable of full color management on the web, and it requires you to enable it via about:config.
Every other browser displays an oversaturated view of the web if you have a wide gamut display. (though some do at least support tagged image files)
And with smartphones being low power devices, they have not been able to "waste" processing time on something like a color management system.
I would much rather that devices properly supported wide gamuts, than focus on restricting the hardware to sRGB. Reply
Darkstone - Monday, March 03, 2014 - linkAre you sure about the browser support? The following site has a few images with different color spaces:
Both firefox 27 and IE 11 display all tagged images correctly. Reply
User.Name - Monday, March 03, 2014 - linkYes, most browsers will now support tagged images. (though I'm not sure that they all support ICC v4 yet? http://color.org/version4html.xalter )
The main issue is that they display untagged images and HTML colors at the display's native gamut, when the rendering intent for untagged images or HTML colors should be sRGB.
Firefox has a preference which enables this ( gfx.color_management.mode = 1 ) but no other browser does, as far as I am aware. Reply
JoshHo - Monday, March 03, 2014 - linkThe hardware should be capable of supporting larger than sRGB gamuts, but after calibration for sRGB mode it should be constrained closely to sRGB. Reply
JoshHo - Monday, March 03, 2014 - linkI do agree that it's time to start moving to larger color gamuts but it's important that it's standardized. The current situation with wide gamut panels in mobile is anything but standardized. Reply
User.Name - Monday, March 03, 2014 - linkWe already have a solution. The web is effectively designed for sRGB and should be treated as such. Anything using a wider gamut should be tagged with the appropriate color profile. (Adobe RGB photos etc.) Reply
bengildenstein - Monday, March 03, 2014 - linkThe Galaxy S5 purportedly has a dedicated image processor (presumably ultra-low power) specifically for this task. It is used to modify the gamut to improve perceived colour stability in response to coloured ambient light. As with the Galaxy Note 3, I suspect that the S5 is also much more sRGB accurate than its predecessors using an OS settable mode.
The negative reporting of large gamut on mobile is no doubt in direct response to Samsung OLED screens, which historically haven been over saturated. Ironically, it seems that Samsung is actually doing something about it, but these improvements get virtually no attention in the press. Additionally, other aspects of mis-calibration (ie. media creation) go entirely unmentioned. Reply
vdidenko - Monday, March 03, 2014 - linkKind of expected for Android, given Google attitude towards color profiling even on a directly commercial venue - YouTube. While at Google I/O'13 I did not find anyone at the YouTube stand (talked to 4 people) who would understand why is it needed. And path-to-profit with YouTube proper color supposedly very direct. And yet another question is how the remote display options, like Chromecast should receive and treat profile information. Reply
Stuka87 - Monday, March 03, 2014 - linkSo then is this true for all phones?
It would seem some phones must support it. Because in phone reviews, some phones have horrible color accuracy (Like Samsung Phones), while some have pretty good accuracy (Like iPhones). Is this because the displays have different gamut ranges, or because the OS's handle them better? Reply
LordOfTheBoired - Monday, March 03, 2014 - linkTwo different issues. Gamut and accuracy are not the same thing.
You can have a small gamut display that's incredibly inaccurate, or a wide gamut one that's spot-on.
Gamut is how much range there is in the colors you can ask of the display, accuracy is how close the color you ask for will be to the one you get.
The original Macintosh has an EXTREMELY limited gamut, as it can only do solid black and solid white. But it's also extremely accurate. Blacks are black, whites are white. No one ever asked for black and got a gray instead.
But whatever the display, the software needs to know how it behaves so it knows what to ask of it.
And that's where we are now. Android has no idea there ARE different kinds of displays. Accurate or inaccurate, wide gamut or narrow gamut, it just sees a display.
And then manufacturers intentionally mess up the accuracy to get brighter colors.
(Which still pisses me off. I had a quite nice phone display, and when I upgraded, I couldn't get a phone that wasn't oversaturated and cartoonish.) Reply
SeannyB - Monday, March 03, 2014 - linkAs a wide-gamut user on a Windows desktop, you'll get plenty of angst from me on the state of "color-awareness" on part of software/OS. The Windows shell itself isn't usefully color-aware... ideally it would render at sRGB, and force all non-color-aware software to remap to sRGB as well. Firefox, as mentioned elsewhere, is the only browser that's renders the web (CSS, untagged images, etc.) at an "assumed" sRGB, with exceptions for tagged graphics (e.g. AdobeRGB JPEGs), but unfortunately this is a hidden toggle and not the default. MPC-HC and Irfanview are color-aware if I manually load my monitor profile into them. For Android, we know that color management simply doesn't exist on it, which is a shame because Android is at the front of the OLED evolution. It's doing it wrong and setting a bad example. Reply
melgross - Monday, March 03, 2014 - linkThat's not correct. My background includes having run a large commercial color lab in NYC for two decades. So I understand this.
So let me say that there are a lot of misconceptions out there. While you are correct about profiles for content, it isn't so simple. The display needs to be characterized as well. You can't make a display that is Adobe RGB 1998 capable into an sRGB display. You can just have the correct profile for it.
But without the OS understanding profiles with built in color management, content profiles won't work. The entire system needs to be implemented. Right now, if a manufacturer has a display that is capable of sRGB gamut, and calibrates it for that properly, even without a formal profile, content that is sRGB, again, even without a profile, will display correctly. No other content, sadly, will.
So unless Apple, Microsoft, Google, etc. can be convinced to implement proper color management in mobile os's, we're stuck where we are. Unfortunately, proper color management is complex, and does require some understanding and interaction with the user to work properly. It's not all automatic, even at this stage.
Even for "proper" computers, only Safari and a couple of other browsers have correctly implemented color management. With the others, anything other than sRGB won't appear correct. Reply
melgross - Monday, March 03, 2014 - linkThat's not it. Having a wider gamut with a lower gamut content stretches the gamut of the content to fit the larger gamut of the display, unless proper implemented color management is used, AND assuming the content has a profile.
So the results are that every bit of content is over saturated. We end up with orange faces, as an obvious example. That's the problem we see with OLED displays. While graphics can look better, because we have no reference for what they are supposed to look like, photos and videos are all way off. Yes, some people may like that, but it's wildly inaccurate. Remember going into a store with Tv's lined up against the walls? A lot of them are over saturated, and look terrible.
So the problem is that all of this needs to be done all at once. Right now, a display that does sRGB, and is properly calibrated (by the factory, as there is no real way to calibrate a mobile display by the user currently), will have the best overall IQ. Reply
nerd1 - Monday, March 03, 2014 - linkNone requires a professionally calibrated display on smartphones - they are commercial products, and they only have to SATISFY the buyers and nothing else.
Similarly, you can quantitatively measure the distortion of any audio equipment, but some of highly sought-after amplifiers actually have huge amount of distortion. Reply
Taracta - Monday, March 03, 2014 - linkA bigger color gamut is nearly always better! What the title of this article should be is "Why Display calibration matters" and not something trying to spread FUD about bigger color gamuts. The title of this article could not have been a bigger disservice to the advancement of display technology which have been until recently, mostly regressing.
Please have the title of the article at least match what the article is covering rather than some outlier statement. Reply
Anders CT - Monday, March 03, 2014 - linkWider color gamuts indeed are better, as long as they are a subset of the visible color space.
The problem is that the legacy sRGB color space is way too small for a modern quality display, and conforming to the sRGB standard does not make a display accurate, it merley means that the display is well-calibrated for legacy media. The solution is for media-encoders to abandon the awful sRGB standard and adobt a better. Reply
theSuede - Tuesday, March 04, 2014 - linkI would like to add that the article totally lacks one of the more important aspects of real-world image viewing and perception on portable devices. The measured colorimetrical data is only valid for one viewing condition - and that is often a very dark, sometimes totally blacked out surround, zero glare. This is in no way representative of how most people use their devices!
Look at the definition of sRGB. It is coded for a surround illumination of 64lx and a glare of 1% - this is at least ten times less than what a typical phone or tablet is subjected to.
Absolute accuracy demands absolute viewing conditions. In the graphical industry I typically specify working overhead lighting conditions and surround coloring (room/wall colors) to very tight conditions before even STARTING to look at the screen workflow.
A portable device with perfect profiles and a good calibration will be showing VERY incorrect colors in 99% of a normal user's use cases. Due to flare and contrast losses the color saturation will typically be lowered by 50% or even more. And due to the contrast loss, the color accuracy over the brightness curve is even more compromised than the static saturation accuracy... Reply
jlabelle - Tuesday, March 04, 2014 - linkThe latest comment from SeannyB, melgross and Anders CT are all correct.
In THEORY, wider gamut screen is better like my Dell U2711 27" calibrated screen.
But this is only useful if :
1/ the screen is properly calibrated : none of the existing screen on the market (or almost) are and the tablet are generally very bad. Even an iPad Air (which is the less bad) is far from being accurate (I can't tell you cmparing side by side with my calibrated HP Envy X2 tablet) --> so you need a calibration device and an OS that allow you to do that (MacOS, W8)
2/ you need to have this profile recognized and loaded by the OS and software you are using. As it was mentioned, even on Windows, very few software take that into account : irfanview, Photoshop... and basically only Firefox handle correctly the color (IE do not because it just take care of the point n°3 below but not of using the display calibration profile).
3/ you need to have a software that can read the color space used by a picture (if embedded inside) to transform the native color space to the screen color space keeping the color accuracy.
As can be easily understood, there is a lot of if.
1/ You need an OS that is properly color managed (so not iOS),
2/ you need to have application that are color managed (even on Windows or MacOS, a few of them, including the browser), and
3/ you need to have images that incorporate the color space in which they were taken.
I am using my DSLR in aRGB mode in sRGB, I have a calibrated display (that I calibrate every month as unfortunately, color of the LCD dispaly shift with time) and I am using color managed software but this is quite a pain in the ass outside of my controled environment.
This is why, in PRACTICALITY, especially for phone and tablet which are NOT color manageable (iOS for instance, WP), in order to that the best color accuracy (something that you may wish or not, this is another question), the easiest way is to :
- have a screen where the gamut is the closest to sRGB
- have it properly calibrated. Even if not, we can assume that if the color are evenly distributed from the minimum to the maximum saturation possible which is sRGB for such screen color gamut, the accuracy in between with not be too bad (so no compression of colors like some Androïd tablet).
Doing so, it will ensure that for image on the web for instance or from camera which are taken in sRGB color space (out of the box at least), the representation will be the most accurate.
Bottom line : NO WAY we could advice for higher or lower color gamut screen for phone and tablet (at least Androïd and iOS) at this point in time as the OS / software and not able to cope with a proper color management and this is anyway too cumbersome for 99,9% of the population.
Nota 1 : also, I can assure you that this is really hard to distinguish the extra color of the aRGB color space compared to a sRGB picture. You need to have really some special case to have in a pictures colors outside of sRGB space. This is very difficult to see that reproduce in print. While I am having a workflow where I keet all my aRGB picture to extract the last juice of colors, in all practical purpose, it makes almost no difference in the very large majority of the case.
Nota 2 : as was also mentioned by theSuede, the color calibration only works for a given type of lightning. So you calibrate your screen with outside sun light and then, the color are off when viewing at home with incandescent light. Unfortunately, this is the reference taken for screen accuracy measurement (by Anandtech for instance). And while we are looking a lot our phones outdoor, tablets are much more used inside buildings in darker places and with lights.
For phones, you are a little bit out of luck even if some OS like WP allows to change saturation and white point.
For tablet, there is only W8 tablet that allow to run a display calibration software and probe and therefore, you can enjoy properly sRGB calibrated screen, to the prefered lightning usage but otherwise... Reply
Rdmkr - Tuesday, March 04, 2014 - linkA broader color range is also an objectively positive feature. It makes a greater amount of chroma (color) detail perceptible to the human eye, i.e. raises the "retina" level dpi level for chroma information. Even when a display is inaccurate this is an advantage. Also, sRGB is just a standard, a convention. The convention is dependent on the app used at any time (one can easily write an app with the adobe range in mind, for example, or add a setting for adobe adjusted colors) and can change on a global-community wide level too as screens with a broader color depiction capability become more widely available. Reply
jlabelle - Tuesday, March 04, 2014 - linkSeems you do not understand how color management work then... sRGB is not a standard or a convention, it is a specific color space.
It happens that this color space is the one where 99,999% of the sold cameras are configured to take picture with. Therefore, most of the pictures online are defacto in sRGB color space.
Having a non color managed (be aware, this point is crucial) software displaying an image on a larger or smaller gamut display than sRGB simply result in INaccurate display of the given picture.
Simple as that.
It is up to you if you prefer oversaturated or dull pictures, cyan that looks like fluorescent blue and red that looks like blinking fushia or not. But this is just NOT accurate and representative of the intended color rendition of the given picture.
How an app would now what is the gamut of the device where the picture will be displayed ???
If you take a picture in a browser, it can be viewed on your phone, your tablet, your TV, your computer of different brands. How the developper can possibly knows which display your are using ?
How can he codes for EACH INDIVIDUAL screen display in this world ?
Do you understand better why it is important that a screen display stick to a standard color space or be able (through a color managed aware application + the profile of the screen) to translate accurately the colors to the display that you are using ?
Also, on your last point, the problem is not the number of wide gamut screen (or lower gamut because the pb is the same in both directions) in this world, the problem is the usage of OS which are NOT color managed (iOS, WP, Androïd).
Last point, I don't know what you mean by your first point about "rasing the retina level dpi for chroma information" (sounds like you smoke before writing that !) but how is a broader color range always a positive feature ? If you do not need this additionnal broader range for instance ?
Because the point is that, in real life, you really really rarely encounter a situation where the colors go beyong sRGB space.
And the one telling you that is someone taking all his pictures in aRGB space, with a full frame DSLR, and developping its raw pictures with a calibrated 27" DELL U2711 wide gamut display on a full color managed workflow. I just can tell you that it hardly makes a difference in real life in 99% of the case.
So if we have the choice, it is much better to offer correct color reproduction to 99,99999% of the population without any intervention than to introduce a feature that screw up those 99,99999% of the population while not allowing even you take advantage of this wider gamut screen because your applications is not color managed so you gain nothing except a more saturated picture false in every way. Reply
Anders CT - Tuesday, March 04, 2014 - linkThe vast majority of digital cameras have ccds that capture a colorspace much larger than the sRGB colorspace. Throwing all that visual quality away, and then handicapping the color-gamut of good displays to conform to the mutilated media is a sad, sad way of achieving "accuracy".
sRGB is an abomination. No media should ever be made to the sRGB standard and no display should ever be calibrated to it.
And it DOES make a difference. Watching real colors on a wide-gamut display can be a revelation. You see colors that you have never seen on a screen before, and you never knew they were missing. Reply
jlabelle - Tuesday, March 04, 2014 - link1. Indpendantly of what the ccds or cmos sensors can capture the vast majority (all ?) cameras are conforming that in sRGB color space. Some DSLR are offering the choice in menu to switch from sRGB to aRGB or ProPhoto but out of the box, this is ALWAYS configured in sRGB.
2. Also, I am not saying this is good to throw away additionnal color information but unfortunately, until mobile OS can manage colors (and we are far from it considering that even on MacOS and Windows, IE and Safari are not properly color managed), it is a BAD thing to have wider or lower gamut screen as you throw away the color accuracy FOR EVERYONE.
And having a non accurate color rendition IS a mutilation. Independantly of if you over or under saturate.
The only thing that you gain on a proper color managed complete workflow (calibrated wide gamut screen, color managed programs, pictures with embeded color space information) is to be able in YOUR control environment to enjoy wider gamut picture but outside of YOUR control environment, everyone else that do not have a proper color managed workflow (so basically, almost everyone) will have worse result looking at your pictures.
This is why, whenever my pictures go out, I transform them in sRGB to ensure at least that users with on their tablet, computer, using any browser with a display close to sRGB will see my pictures more or less like intended.
3. A screen is not "calibrated" to a color space. It does not mean anything. A screen is calibrated or not. On the otherside, a screen has a given color gamut (so how saturate he can display colors or not).
Now, if you meant, that a screen with a sRGB color gamut is an abomination, sorry but you don't know what you are speaking about. I can tell you that looking REAL colors (as you named it) and REAL pictures on wide color gamut (with a proper workflow) is not at all a revelation. There are some rare cases where it can make small difference here and there but I can assure you that you would not able to tell if not showed side by side.
Would you care sharing your configuration or workflow ? Because what I think you saw is that you are speaking of looking oversaturated pictures on a wide gamut screen in a NON color managed workflow. Then yes, obviously, it makes a lot of difference because you over saturate your image. But otherwise, the difference is really rather small.
By the way, most of the best online print service are asking for sRGB picture and do not accept wider color space.
Once again, please clarify the workflow and on which material you are seeing those revelation because, I take picture with a full frame Canon 5D mkII on aRGB mode (which is wider color gamut that it allows to capture) with L lenses. I edit my RAW in Photoshop and DDP, 2 color managed application with a 27" DELL U2711 wide gamut which reach 96% of the aRGB color space gamut calibrated with a Color Munki X Rite probe everymonth.
And once again, the difference can in very rare case be seen and even then, it is not night and day. So what do you use in your case ? Reply
baii9 - Sunday, March 09, 2014 - linkIf you are editing raw then the camera color mode does not matter fyi. Reply
Rdmkr - Tuesday, March 04, 2014 - link"Last point, I don't know what you mean by your first point about "rasing the retina level dpi for chroma information" (sounds like you smoke before writing that !) but how is a broader color range always a positive feature ? If you do not need this additionnal broader range for instance ?" - it spaces out the real color values, in terms of their position on the electromagnetic spectrum, of adjacent digital color values, meaning that more photoreceptors are employed to distinguish colors from one another. This increases the density of (chromatic) pixels the eye can distinguish at any fixed depth. Reply
jlabelle - Tuesday, March 04, 2014 - linkSorry, even having an engineering background, I read several time and did not understood one bit what you are speaking about.
Can you put what you mean in context of the discussion ?
What would an oversaturated picture would produce on the eye that would be an advantage ?
What do you mean by the fact that displaying more saturated colors would make "more receptor to distinguish colors" ?
What do you mean by "increasing density of pixel the eye can distinguish" ? Are you saying that more saturated colors allow the eye to see higher density ? What "depth" are you speaking about ? "depth" of what ?
What don't you answer to my questions about which workflow you are using and where did you see "revelation" ? Reply
josephnero - Wednesday, March 05, 2014 - linkSony is claiming tehy have a special algoritim to go with their live color led in their developer site Reply
Fidelator - Sunday, March 09, 2014 - linkBigger gamut does mean the panel is better and able to display a wider variety of colors, seeing how displays have advanced in this department in the past few years the standards need to step up, they should really be updated to take advantage of the new, superior tech, We can't be forever stuck using sRGB when our eyes can see much more than that, the more manufacturers using a wider gamut, the more likely we are to see the adoption of new standards, I believe Sony and Samsung are in the right by providing superior panels, there's no reason to complain about the use of Triluminos. Reply
Fidelator - Sunday, March 09, 2014 - linkOf course the best way out of this would be is they provided us with software capable of calibrating our displays out of the box. Reply


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Flu-ridden Jordan, shaky bullpen spell Nats' defeat
Right-hander goes four innings before exiting with persistent headache
WASHINGTON -- The Nationals' bullpen had a tough time Sunday afternoon in a 4-2 loss to the Padres in front of 34,873 fans at Nationals Park.
The game was tied at 1 when manager Matt Williams decided to take right-hander Taylor Jordan out of the game after four innings and 63 pitches. His fastball, which was around 84 mph, is usually in the high 80s to low 90s. It turned out that Jordan had the flu, and he was running a fever when he arrived at the park.
"There was question of whether he would even start. We gave him a bag of fluids and he ate something this morning. The velocity was way down," Williams said. "He was weak out there. He could give us what he could give us today."
Jordan was still feeling under the weather when he spoke to the media after the game.
"I had this headache since early this morning. I really didn't sleep last night," Jordan said. "I have the chills, I'm hot. It wasn't so bad on the mound. The only thing was the headache. It just doesn't go away. Other than that, I wasn't really focused on much besides getting a couple of outs."
Left-hander Ross Detwiler replaced Jordan, and he had his own problems on the mound starting in the fifth inning. Everth Cabrera came home on a single by Chris Denorfia for a 2-1 lead the Padres wouldn't relinquish.
In the next inning, San Diego scored two more runs. After allowing singles to Will Venable and Cameron Maybin, Detwiler was replaced by Aaron Barrett, who simply couldn't find the strike zone.
Barrett allowed a single to Nick Hundley to load the bases. After striking out right-hander Ian Kennedy, Barrett walked the next two hitters -- Cabrera and Denorfia -- scoring Venable and Maybin.
As for Detwiler, Williams plans to use him more going forward. The skipper feels that Detwiler has been used sporadically, and that's why he has been inconsistent of late. The more Detwiler pitches, the better feel he has on his pitches.
"We have to get him in there more often, on a regular basis," Williams said. "With the game today, we got to get him in there. We needed multiple innings. … If the games go our way, we'll see if we can get him in there -- more lefty/lefty matchups on a more regular basis."
Barrett didn't have any excuses. He just lost command of his pitches. It didn't help that his mechanics were out of whack.
"There were no excuses. I let the team down," Barrett said. "I didn't make pitches when I had to. … I looked at some film. I felt like I was rushing, rushing pretty badly. My leg drive was going forward, but it didn't have a chance to catch up. It's something mechanical I have to fix."
Kennedy was outstanding on the mound, pitching seven innings and allowing a run on three hits. He also struck out nine hitters. The run scored in the first, when Jayson Werth doubled to left field, sending home Anthony Rendon.
"It's a really good lineup they have over there, and I know that Adam LaRoche had a big series against us, so having Ian pitch so well was very important," closer Houston Street said. "To see him settle down and get into a groove, it put the momentum back on our side."
The Nationals scored their second run of the game in the eighth, when Padres reliever Joaquin Benoit allowed a solo home run to Nate McLouth.
Bill Ladson is a reporter for MLB.com and writes an MLBlog, All Nats All the time. He also could be found on Twitter @WashingNats. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.


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Slides and diving boards are a terrific accessory—whether you just add a stand-alone slide or custom design a slide into the landscape.
We interviewed four pool "renovators" who actively use accessories to update and add functionality to their pool designs. Dan Lenz at All Seasons Pools in Orland Park, IL, Martin Rowland at Bama Pools in Florence, AL, Clark Pulliam at Pulliam Pools in Houston, TX and Glen Bullard at Fort Worth Custom Pools in Fort Worth, TX. Here is what they are finding popular and easy for pool owners who want to update their backyard landscape.
Custom Pools, Fort Worth, TX: Slides are key when we update pools. Many people built pools when they didn't have children around—or when they had older children. And now they are grandparents with young children coming over to enjoy the pool. This is a big entrée for up-selling slides and diving boards.
Pulliam Pools, Houston, TX: Slides are a big part of our remodels. We have had great success with the XStream slide by Inter-Fab. It's a terrific stand-alone slide that really makes a pool more fun and appealing to children. This slide takes less than 5 hours to install and is one of the fastest ways to give a pool a face-lift.
Custom Pools, Fort Worth, TX: Since salt-chlorine pools became very popular in the last 5 years, we get a lot of calls for renovations related to the corrosion caused by the salt. The Inter-Fab polycoat spring board is a # 1 seller for us. It is easy to remove the old, corroded diving board and install the new diving board without having to rip up the deck. In less than 2 man hours you can update the pool look, remove the old rusted products and voila, a beautiful new pool-like pool!
All Seasons, Orland Park, IL: One of our number one accessories for renovation are water features. Even the new T7 diving board has a built-in fountain, making it a fun / functional accessory as well as one that beautifies the pool…especially with its built-in LED lighting. We also build many different custom slides, using the Inter-Fab BYOS slide…to accommodate any backyard landscape…and really turn a simple pool into a beautiful, landscaped yet fun backyard escape.
Pulliam Pools, Houston, TX: Diving boards are another accessory we offer. The T7 diving board offers the option of a water fall off the end of the board, complete with colored lighting for a nice night time effect. It's a product that gives a lot of punch for not a lot of money.
Bama Pools, Florence, AL: The slide is the best way to entertain and babysit those grandchildren. The X-Stream slide by Inter-Fab is the most popular slide accessory that I offer.


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NOUN: 1. The forcible tearing away of a body part by trauma or surgery. 2. The sudden movement of soil from one property to another as a result of a flood or a shift in the course of a boundary stream.
ETYMOLOGY: Latin āvellere, āvuls-, to tear off : ā-, ab-, away; see ab–1 + vellere, to pull.
compare to
NOUN: 1. An intense, paroxysmal, involuntary muscular contraction. 2. An uncontrolled fit, as of laughter; a paroxysm. 3. Violent turmoil: "The market convulsions of the last few weeks have shaken the world" (Felix Rohatyn).
ETYMOLOGY: Latin convellere, convuls-, to pull violently : com-, intensive pref.; see com– + vellere, to pull.
compare to
NOUN: 1. A sudden strong change or reaction in feeling, especially a feeling of violent disgust or loathing. 2. A withdrawing or turning away from something. 3. Medicine Counterirritation used to reduce inflammation or increase the blood supply to the affected area.
ETYMOLOGY: Latin revulsiō, revulsiōn-, from revulsus, past participle of revellere, to tear back : re-, re- + vellere, to tear.
puts a new spin on the phrase 'pulling one's leg'


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As a kid, I used to hate these couple days following Christmas. I always felt a little lost and confused. A holiday we had just spent one, long month revving up for was suddenly over. No more waiting for Santa; no more fresh Christmas cookies; no more Christmas movies on TV; and no more pretty Christmas tree in the living room.
Luckily, I always cheered up pretty quick as we switched gears into the next best celebration — New Year's Eve.
I'm not sure how my childhood friend and I started our own crazy tradition of taking turns spending New Year's Eve at one another's house, but it became one that lasted until we were in our early 20s.
It started off as just two young girls spending the night, watching movies, eating snacks at each other's house. At that time, I don't even think we stayed awake until 10 p.m.
But as we got older and started to realize "the real fun" came at midnight, we started staying up later, until we made it all the way through the Dick Clark show.
As we moved into our teens, we got more creative with things to do throughout the day and night of celebration and shenanigans. We'd kick New Year's Eve off early making our own homemade confetti out of construction paper, and party poppers out of twisted recycled toilet paper rolls and tissue paper. Our moms always prepared the best "finger foods," which we chowed down throughout the day and into the night.
We'd move the living room furniture around to create dance floors for when out favorite "boy bands" performed at the big Rockefeller Center party on TV. As the night would draw closer to midnight, we'd get more rowdy; our boom box radios got a little louder; and our dancing got more "funkier."
And when the time would finally arrive, we'd get into position in the very front row at the TV, as the clock would tick down to one minute until the ball drop. We'd prepare our poppers and started to scream as we counted 10, 9, 8, 7 … We'd hug each other and shout a little louder. 6, 5, 4, 3, pick up popper, 2, 1 … HAPPY NEW YEAR! We'd always shout at the top of lungs as we'd yank apart our poppers and throw confetti all around our parents' living rooms (we always promised clean-up duty the next morning). One year, her parents, I'm sure a little reluctantly, let us take pots and pans outside and bang them together at midnight as we welcomed neighbors into the New Year.
While these "hoppin' parties" only consisted of the two of us on that one night, the times we shared and the many hilarious memories we made, will never be forgotten. When I look back at those crazy nights, they are filled with no worries, no cares, just laughter, Chex mix and that famous strawberry-kiwi punch.
We "lived it up," as they say.
Eventually my childhood friend and I went off on different career pathways and began to live different lives, which unfortunately have since kept us a part on New Year's Eve in our adulthood. While I feel so lucky to have been able to experience such great memories as a kid, I now have a hard time attempting to "beat the fun" we had as just two teenage girls.
These years, as the clock ticks down closer to midnight, I always look back, think about where and what my friend might be doing, and for a minute, place us together in her parents' living throwing confetti and dancing around like fools.
While I'm sure it's completely unacceptable for a 25 year old to go screaming up and down the driveway banging pots and pans together, a part of me just feels the urge to do just that this year. I'm sure my quiet neighborhood would not appreciate it, but hey, New Year's Eve only comes one night out the year… Right?
BCR Staff Writer Goldie Currie can be reached at email@example.com.


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Who Doesn't Belong?These brain teasers rely on your ability to recognize groups of common attributes. For each of these puzzles you'll need to figure out why the words or letters are grouped as they are. Sometimes you will be asked to pick the odd-one-out or to place a new word into the correct group.
Find out who doesn't belong in this group.
Hergem Guntheas
Laruluk Horphun
Leo Dellry
Fenthil Hightentig
Winnith Opeeho
AnswerLaruluk Horphun is the odd one out. All the other names are books that are scrambled.
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SAINT LEO, Fla. – The Saint Leo women's basketball team defeated Ursuline College by a score of 60-55 in the second game of the Saint Leo Classic. Behind a career night from Chelsea Williams that included 23 points and 16 rebounds, the Lions were able to put away the Arrows despite a strong second half by the visiting team.
After totaling just nine points and three rebounds in the first half, Williams turned it up a notch in the second half and grabbed 13 boards and dropped in 14 points en route to her fourth double-double of the season. Teresa Manigrasso added 19 points, five rebounds, and four assists. Chelsea Connelly contributed a strong defensive effort with 13 rebounds and three blocks. Kinnara Lewis added 12 points on the night, including going 6-6 from the free throw line.
After trailing 5-2 to start the game the Lions quickly took control of the first half. Manigrasso's 10 points and three assists fueled the Lions' offensive attack as they held a comfortable eight point advantage at the half.
Out of the break the Lions extended the lead to 13 after a Manigrasso three-pointer, but that would mark the biggest lead Saint Leo would hold the rest of the game. The Arrows began chipping away at the lead and after two three-pointers from Laura Campbell and one from Brianna Woods, the Lions' lead was down to four. With 12:57 remaining Dee Erazo tied the game after a turnover by the Lions, and less than a minute later a steal from Autumn Jones led to a layup to give the Arrows their first lead of the second half.
After four straight points from Williams the Lions regained the lead and never looked back. Some long range shooting kept Ursuline in the game, but Williams proved to be too much for the Arrows to handle down low as she continued to dominate the key.
Saint Leo outscored Ursuline 26-20 in the paint, which proved to be the difference in the game. The Lions and Arrows both had 14 points off of turnovers and Saint Leo scored 14 second chance points compared to Ursuline's 13.
Saint Leo gets back in action tomorrow in the second day of the Saint Leo Classic when they take on Trevecca Nazarene at 4:00 p.m.
For more information on the women's basketball team be sure to follow the Lions on Twitter at @SaintLeoLions.
This postgame recap is brought to you by Papa Joe's Italian Restaurant in Brooksville, Fla.


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AMD Launches FirePro W9100by Ryan Smith on 4/7/2014 8:00 AM EST
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nathanddrews - Monday, April 07, 2014 - linkAT doesn't really do much in the way of workstation cards, right? Do you think you'll still get one to test in any way? Reply
daku123 - Monday, April 07, 2014 - linkYes. Nvidia has captured almost 95% of market share in Workstation cards. RAW Performance wise 9100 looks promising. But ATI drivers are not properly tweaked for workstation business! Reply
piroroadkill - Monday, April 07, 2014 - linkIsn't this just a random and pointless myth that always persists?
I know people with Dell Precision workstations and FirePro cards that never report graphics related issues. Reply
Kevin G - Monday, April 07, 2014 - linkMy experiences with FirePro's in the professional market have been tied to specific hardware/driver combinations through a 3rd party OEM. This means using older GPU hardware and nearly as old drivers to run in a 'certified' manner. While not hardware or software lock-in, it is support lock-in. That means a whole slew of new hardware features and bug fixes are out there but they'd be unsupported in the environment. Reply
extide - Monday, April 07, 2014 - linkOld Drivers is par for the course in this market, even on the nVidia side. Reply
daku123 - Monday, April 07, 2014 - linkI didn't mean people don't use FirePro at all. I have used both ATI FirePro and NVIDIA Quadro boards personally. OpenGL driver performance of Quadro is better than FirePro. In addition to that, extra perks like OptiX (for DCC) and most of the CUDA based tools are a much plus. I am using Quadro for DCC related work and they are much better in terms of performance and user experience!
P.S.: All Oscar nominated Animated movies are made on Quadros! Reply
teldar - Tuesday, August 12, 2014 - linkSo... You're saying that only movies made on Quadros go on to get nominations? I wonder how much nVidia pays for that. Reply
TeXWiller - Monday, April 07, 2014 - linkYes it is, according to my anecdotal observations :). There are "critical mass" and availability issues for these products. The performance and reliability differences between FirePro and Quadro seem to show up the same way as for the gaming cards, title by title basis. Reply
PEJUman - Monday, April 07, 2014 - linkI am guessing those guys with Precisions & FirePro are not running specialized software. I have a Quadro K4000M, it is quite flaky when working with new professional 3D package. I had to switch drivers back and forth to get the new package & solidworks to work.
The whole time NVIDIA OPTIMUS kept on insisting on going to intel's HD for 2D display (idle desktop), which in turn puked when I un-docked the laptop. Apparently multiple screen does not work well with optimus.
The whole thing is quite bad actually, and I shudder to think about anyone who opted for the FirePro equipped Precision. Reply
tipoo - Monday, April 21, 2014 - linkIt's somewhat true, it's very application dependant. Those Firepro owners may never run into issues because they only use apps the drivers are optimized for. There are also a few apps that are *better* optimized for Firepro than Nvidia. It depends entirely on your workload if firepros will be good for you. Reply
nathanddrews - Monday, April 07, 2014 - linkThat's not entirely true as it varies greatly upon the software you are using. First review I could find, looks like it's leading the pack by a huge margin in some areas, losing in others. Sadly, it's using the same crappy 290X cooler: loud and hot. If I paid $3,999 for this, I'd be upset.
http://www.tomshardware.de/amd-firepro-w9100-revie... Reply
Ryan Smith - Monday, April 07, 2014 - linkWe'll be reviewing the W9100 later this month. Reply
nathanddrews - Monday, April 07, 2014 - link*drool*
I'd imagine that you'll have to (if you play games on it) crank up the AA to about 8X on 4K-surround ust to use up all 16GB. Reply
hpvd - Monday, June 16, 2014 - linkis there any news regarding this review? Reply
ltcommanderdata - Monday, April 07, 2014 - linkSo will OpenCL 2.0 be supported on both GCN 1.0 and 1.1 GPUs or only GCN 1.1? Reply
TiGr1982 - Monday, April 07, 2014 - linkThis W9100 card is so much different from W9000:
1) Different GPU (Hawaii vs Tahiti)
2) Doubled DP precision rate (1/2 versus 1/4)
3) Doubled memory chips capacity besides wider memory bus (so 16 GB vs 6 GB)
Why did they NAMED it just W9100? Why not W10000, W12000 or W16000? Or at lest W9500?
It seems to make no sense to me IMHO. Reply
nunomoreira10 - Monday, April 07, 2014 - linkthey dont want people with w9000 fell bad :P Reply
sohail adnan - Tuesday, April 08, 2014 - linkfor $3999 will pick up 7 AMD Radeon R9 290X for MSRP $549 each, hence you know i'm not gonna play just games with it.. lol Reply
sanaris - Saturday, April 12, 2014 - linkBecause FireStream series is screwed, no one is going to buy this useless and overpriced die.
Because no one is going to believe words about its "compute performance".
People need proof.
And no one is getting proof because with this high price there will never be enough programmers to make support for this hardware. Another one fail for AMD. Reply
mfoley93 - Friday, April 25, 2014 - linkThis card is definitely not useless, and it is called FirePro, not fire stream anymore, AMD is trying to make it clear that that they are not ATI and are getting their workstation act together, rebranding may not be helping, but it is true.
It is definitely limitted use, just like the Quadro K6000, but as far as there never being any proof, that is falacious, if it were true, there would never have been any proof for the K6000, which costs $1000 more. Even with proof though, most engineers and content creators will be staying on their W7000/K4000s and most researchers and simulators will stay on their Teslas and W8000s. Most professionals don't need this, but there are those that do (or want it), so they will sell some.
The true use case for this card are senior engineers at automotive and aerospace companies and the like, who need to be able to load an entire vehicle model and still have the software run smoothly. Digital content creators may not have much use for it since many of the DCC applications make use of CUDA, so they will be stuck on Quadros, but engineering software usually doesn't have such a limitation.
Professional GCN 1.1 won't sell a lot until the W7100 comes out though (presumably at $700-800), that much is true. Reply