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Nexus 4 and Nexus 10: A Closer Lookby Jason Inofuentes on 10/29/2012 11:03 PM EST
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Rickschwar - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkI recently compared the top seven 10" tablets available today. Here is what I found: http://mostly-tech.com/2012/10/27/who-makes-the-be...
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zepi - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkI kind of disagree with your CPU comparison. I much rather take a fast dualcore with good memory bandwidth compared to shitty quadcore A9 with lousy memory bandwidth.
Ipad4 and Google Nexus 10 should be quite a bit better in general usage compared to Cortex A9 quadcore-tablets and at least comparable to Snapdragon S4 quadcores, as a lot of applications wont benefit from more threads. Reply
BallBond - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkLove my job, since I've been bringing in $5600… I sit at home, music playing while I work in front of my new iMac that I got now that I'm making it online(Click on menu Home)
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Pirks - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkhow about I insert my big hard iPad into your tight wet iMac? Reply
Rickschwar - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkYou're right that a fast dual-core with good memory bandwidth will probably kill a shitty quad-core. But there are benefits of using a quad-core processor for *some* multithreaded applications. Is it more important than memory bandwidth. No!
I'm trying to list EVERY potential strength and weakness I can find for each. Some people have complained about the Physical Home Button being a benefit, but there are advantages of that as well.
Thanks for the comment.
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nafhan - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkI don't think counting cores is really worthwhile as it doesn't take into account important things like IPC, clockspeed, and software optimizations. It's probably a better idea to just look at absolute performance when comparing disparate platforms like the ones you've listed.
If the quad-core is superior, that superiority should show up in a benchmark or in real world application analysis. If it doesn't prove it's worth, then it's not an advantage and shouldn't even be mentioned. Reply
Rickschwar - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkHistorically quad-core CPUs have scored very highly on benchmark scores here on AnandTech. Make sure you don't confuse benchmarks that are CPU focused with benchmarks that are GPU focused.
People read way to much into mobile benchmarks however. Here's why: http://mostly-tech.com/2012/09/29/the-dirty-little...
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Rickschwar - Sunday, November 04, 2012 - linkI've been doing a lot of comparisons between the iPad 4 and Nexus 10. http://mostly-tech.com/2012/11/02/twenty-reasons-w... Reply
darwinosx - Saturday, November 17, 2012 - linkThat was a truly idiotic article.
You obviously haven't read the Anandtech performance reviews showing the iPhone 5 and iPad 4 just wiping the floor with the Nexus 10 inferior processor and GPU. Not even close. Actually you probably have read it and want to pretend like it doesn't exist.
You don't understand the relationship between resolution, pixels and PPI. There is nothing noticeably sharper about the nexus 10 screen but the color calibration and gamut is noticeably inferior to the iPad 3 and 4.
The iPad does not need as much application memory as the Nexus 10 because iOS is a highly optimized OS. People are seeing lag on Nexus 10's.
The Nexus 10 is sold at cost. So pathetic. Google is desperate to fine someone, anyone who will buy an Android tablet.
Android tablet apps are a joke. No comparison at all with iOS.
It does not have twice the storage. You can buy an iPad in 16, 32 or 64 bit versions.
iPad has LTE. Nexus 10 may some day work on AT&T and T-Mobiles deprecated HPSA networks, But they don't even work on them for now.
It does not have better wi-fi than the iPad 4. Thats just a lie.
Much easier to repair? Dumb in so many ways.
It plays Flash? Really? Not out of the box and the kludge works poorly. Even Adobe has disowned Flash on Android.
It does not have a better rear facing camera.
Your other points are incredibly stupid but i guess you needed to come up with 35 things... Reply
blanarahul - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkHmmmmm. Google played their cards really well. If you want microSD and LTE and delayed updates at a high price, get the Optimus G. If you want fast updates at cheap price without LTE and large storage, get the Nexus 4. Want a balance of all, get the S3.
Nexus 10, most unexpectedly is in it's own league. The only nitpick i can think of is less storage. Considering the multi-user feature a model with microSD expansion is a necessity. Reply
Rickschwar - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkI agree the lack of a memory slot for both the iPad and Nexus is a big deal. That's why smart users will purchase the 32GB model.
I talked to someone with connections inside Google and found out the reason Google is doing this is because they think the Cloud is where data should be stored. Of course that doesn't work out well when you're away from Wi-Fi.
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Filiprino - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkWell, the data shouldn't be stored on the cloud. Some data maybe, but not the data, all your data.
The cloud is not under your control, and one thing is my e-mail and other thing are my backups, photos, apps, videos, music and the rest.
Give me 16 TB for my room and the cloud can go direct to the trash. Reply
OCedHrt - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkWhy? I have an unlimited data plan with no caps. Reply
darwinosx - Saturday, November 17, 2012 - linkIt's not a big deal because most people will never use one.
Also Google knows that using an SD card with android apps and data is a mess. Thats why they discourage them and never put them on Nexus devices.
16GB is enough for most people who use cloud services and don't load up their tablets with apps or data they don't use. Reply
darwinosx - Saturday, November 17, 2012 - linkGoogle had nothing to do with that. Its how the Android handset market is shaking out. Google just does what the carriers allow them to. In the case of the Nexus 4 the carriers did not allow Google to have LTE. Google rolled over for the carriers like they always. Android users are the product not the customer so Google doesn't care. Just view or ads and let us track your movements and sell the information. Reply
harshbarj - Wednesday, October 31, 2012 - link"Apple has sold more iPads than any other manufacturer"
To be 100% accurate apple is the ONLY company selling iPads.
You also are very quick calling something a strength or weakness when it could be argued either way. Calling a physical home button a strength and the lack of one a weakness is very much opinion. Also the new "Lightning connector" is viewed by many as a weakness as it now makes all old devices obsolete and many will not work with this new connector even with an adapter. Reply
Rickschwar - Sunday, November 04, 2012 - linkTrue. I fixed the typo you pointed out.
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Fiercé - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - link...no LTE? Damn.
Personally, I think the value is still there with the device being the vanguard of the hardware and software it packs inside. I'm just not sure that horsepower and smooth UI refinement will resonate enough with the user who can't get webpages to load quickly or who knows they'd be better served downloading an app over wi-fi rather than out on the road.
At that price point however, they may just sell a bundle of these regardless. Quite the coin toss. Reply
dishayu - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - link"the user who can't get webpages to load quickly"
I mean, really? 21 mbps plenty fast to browse on the phone for all practical purposes. I don't like to make statements like X amount of resource is enough for this application, but 21 mbps is FAST!
I don't know of many web pages that would show significant difference in user experience, it'll take you 1 second or so to download a 3MB page and i don't know too many pages which are that big. Nevermind the fact that the phone itself will take longer to render the page than HSPA+ will take to download it.
1080p videos can be streamed effortlessly on HSPA+
The only practical area where LTE makes sense is if you download gigabytes of data on your phone regularly (not many do that because mobile data costs a bomb) or you're using it for tethering purposes with multiple devices (which runs into the same wall). Reply
web2dot0 - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkFunny how people made fun of iPad when they didn't have LTE.
I guess LTE isn't that big a deal now I suppose.
What about microSD? I thought that was a non-starter too.
I guess not having a microSD slot wasn't such a bad idea too?
Wait, iPad3/4 got way too many pixels, games will play shitty on it. Totally unecessary.
I guess it's ok now. I mean Android's screen PPI trumps it, so it's a no brainer!
You guys are hilarious! Reply
UpSpin - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkIf the Nexus 4 costs as much as an iPhone and doesn't have LTE, then it's an issue. But as you see with the LG Optimus G, you can get the phone with LTE but have to pay a lot more for it.
The lack of microSD is an issue for many people but again, the price is so low it's hard to complain about such a minor issue, especially because Google offers versatile cloud alternatives.
Sure, having both LTE and microSD is great, but you can get it, just buy the LG Optimus G but don't expect to get it for a Nexus price.
I don't see the problem people have?
The pixel count was an amazing thing Apple risked, but I think they've done it wrong. They released the 'retina' tablet (iPad 3) too early and the result was an in my opinion not Apple like perfect tablet: huge battery required, more weight, thicker, huge SoC required which generates lot of heat and is probably very expensive for Apple.
The result: Apple released the iPad 4, which fixed some of those issues (mainly the SoC) just a few months later and they don't even promote the iPad 3 any longer, but do the iPad 2.
And again, the price makes it a 'no brainer'. You get more or at least the same for less money. Reply
Sunrise089 - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkThe Nexus4 isn't cheaper than the iPhone. At an equal 16gigs the iPhone is $150 cheaper.
I'm sure there are some buyers who really value no contract, but to me it's a bug not a feature. Contracts subsidize the phone while giving me the exact voice and data plan I'd be buying anyways. With a Nexus4, even ignoring the non-trivial lack of LTE, you pay $150 more up from, and then the only way to capture any benefit from no contract is to upgrade sooner, to say a hypothetical Nexus4 2.0 in a year for another $350. You've therefore spent $700 on hardware, the same on data and voice, and forgone LTE, all for getting an upgrade a year early. I'm an iPhone user, but I'd gladly take a Galaxy S3 or Nokia 920 anyway over the Nexus4 plan. Reply
nitemareglitch - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkActually, Tmobile plans are cheaper if you buy your phone outright. :) Reply
ImSpartacus - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkI understand your argument within the scope of the four big carriers, but what if you look at prepaid service? $45/month gets you unlimited HSPA+ on T-Mo/AT&T through Straight Talk.
If you pay for the 16GB Nexus phone ($350) and the Straight Talk yearly rate ($495), then it's $845/year for unlimited HSPA+ data on the latest Nexus phone. Reply
Zoomer - Wednesday, October 31, 2012 - linkThe typical value of a 2 year contract is around $300. Therefore, the Nexus 4 is around free-$50 equiv.
How to capture that $300 and apply it to the N4 is left as an exercise for the reader. Reply
probedb - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkGotta love them Apple fanboys. Reply
darwinosx - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkYour mom is an Apple fanboy. Reply
dishayu - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkYou should probably consider that it is a different people (generally mad fanboys though) who make those comments (like the ppi ones).
Here, in india (and a big load of the world's countries) LTE isn't even on the roadmap yet, so mainly it's just the US citizens are concerned with it. Besides, as i said, LTE as of today, is a bit of an overkill for phones, just like 450ppi 1080p displays. So, although i would definitely like to have those, they will not be deciding factors for me.
MicroSD is a very subjective matter. I'm sure that it sways many customers away. But as for me, I'm easily content with 16GB (or even 8GB) storage because i don't watch videos on my phone. Just a couple hundred songs + apps, so i don't need removable storage for that. Reply
dishayu - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - link*a different set of people Reply
Capt Caveman - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - link16/32gb should have been options over 8/16gb. Coming from 32gb, this is disappointing. Reply
MrSpadge - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkReading comprehension is a virtue. Reply
jonup - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkWell, the thing is that the same people that were complaining about LTE and microSD on the iPad are the once making big deal about it on the Nexus devices. Except, the Apple fanboys joint them.
We know why both sides stick with no sd expansion - Apple sells you more flash in $100 increments and Google wants to sell you cloud storage.
I'm having big beef with people complaining about LTE. First, as explained in the article it is shit for people who travel. It is contrary to the openness of the Android microsystem; and second, I feel that the complains about HSPA+ speed comes from 13 year-old kids playing top trumps. I get 36mbps to my house and running OC quad-core desktop on 27" monitor I never feel like "gosh this internet is slow". So I don't see how 60% of the bandwidth on a 160+% smaller screen size with several fold slower computing power is a limiting factor. So all you people that swear by LTE, your stick is bigger than mine, I just use mine more often and no one complains. :)
As far as screen resolution on these small devices, let's say I care about my eye. (wing at the guys with the big shticks) Reply
darwinosx - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkGoogle does not care about selling cloud storage, They know SD cards suck on Android and want them to go away. Also since they sell these devices at cost they keep the memory sizes as minimal as possible. Pretty sad state of affairs all the way around but its google and their low quality software and hardware as usual. Reply
Conficio - Thursday, November 01, 2012 - link
Also since they sell these devices at cost they keep the memory sizes as minimal as possible.
What sense does that make? +8GB of Flash memory costs with USB controller (as a USB Stick) $10. I'm sure built in in large quantities the costs is even less.
If selling at cost is the point it would be an easy route to offer devices with 32Gb or even 64GB of memory for small increments of price (+$40, +$100 respectively). And let the market decide what size device they want to pay for.
For Google that should be an especially attractive (feasible) model, as it does not have to deal with the logistics of stocking the different sizes in thousands of stores. Reply
darwinosx - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkSo now the Android kids think;
No LTE is just fine.
A glass back is just fine.
No SD card is just fine
8 GB of memory is just fine.
What level of cognitive dissonance do these people require to come up with this. Oh and how does Google hit these magical price points? They make no money from these devices. Thats how desperate they are to get people to buy an Android tablet. No profit.
But don't worry, it will be typical Samsung shoddy construction and typical zero support for Nexus devices from Google or anyone else. Reply
bplewis24 - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkTalk about Cognitive Dissonance. You are completely disconnected from reality.
You can buy an Android LTE phone on just about any carrier except T-Mobile. Google has NEVER made an unlocked GSM LTE phone, so this is no different.
But you go on arguing against statements that nobody is making and against products that never existed. Reply
steven75 - Friday, November 02, 2012 - linkCan you buy an Android phone with modern hardware, including LTE, that doesn't have grotesque skins or carrier bloatware?
Because the Nexus used to be that device. Now, not so much! Reply
ImSpartacus - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkThere's no such thing as bad products, only bad prices.
Google picked a very good price. Reply
name99 - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkThere is no such thing as good prices, only profitable prices.
Apple has picked VERY profitable prices.
You see how it goes when we're allowed to make arbitrary absolute statements...
(You can argue that a customer should care only about the price they see, not about profitability for the company. True if you're only in it for the short term. But if you're planning to be part of a long-term ecosystem, profitability matters.
Palm showed that earlier, RIM is showing that right now, and it's quite possible Nokia will be providing a followup lesson in a year or so.) Reply
Alucard291 - Wednesday, October 31, 2012 - linkWhy do you care so much about company profits? Surely we all can be certain that none of the giants are going to keel over and die next year right?
That said google picked a much better price for us. Apple picks better price for its own profits. So which do you prefer? Well that's also depends.
So yeah go back to your cave basically ;) Reply
steven75 - Friday, November 02, 2012 - linkDoesn't bother me at all to have AT&T subsidize the cost of my phone down to lower than the Nexus 4, with more storage space and LTE to boot! I'm not paying for that anyway, so why should it bother me?
I'm at $50 with a family plan and company discount so buying unlocked to use a crappier carrier doesn't even save money in my particular case. Reply
andrewaggb - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linklol, it's true. Reply
nafhan - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkA couple things:
First: there's a big difference between 3G and HPSA+. HPSA+ is essentially as fast as what goes for "4G" in most of the US. The downside to HPSA+ has more to do with coverage than speed, IMO - it's not as widely available as Verizon's LTE.
Second, and more relevant to the discussion: there were also quite a few people who didn't care that the iPad/iPhone were on 3G instead of 4G (based on sales). So, it's not much of a stretch to believe that some people still don't care about 3G vs. 4G. That's more likely than a conspiracy... Reply
Zoomer - Wednesday, October 31, 2012 - linkActually I'll say HSPA+ downside is worse latency. 150 vs 100 ms is a good bump. Reply
steven75 - Friday, November 02, 2012 - linkYou forgot the glass back of the iPhone 4/4S. Now the Nexus 4 gets a glass back.
Also no removable battery.
We get to watch people either crap on this phone for those same "misses" or become hypocrites. What fun! Reply
JasonInofuentes - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkRaw speed isn't the only factor, latency is a big one, too. However, updated HSPA+ hardware supports LTE-like latency, so there is real hope on that front.
Jason Reply
Despoiler - Thursday, November 01, 2012 - linkNo LTE. Not a deal breaker for me. Verizon sucks. They have their hands all over the current Google Nexus, which causes huge delays for Google Android releases. The only reason to have the Nexus on Verizon is because you can unlock the bootloader, root it, and ROM it.
Also, Verizon's LTE where I live is crap. I get ~6mbit up/down while all other LTE carries get double that. HSPA+ 42 is as fast as any LTE carrier throttles their network currently. I am jumping ship to Tmobile. They have better plans than what Verizon changed to. Reply
teiglin - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkNice writeup, and thanks for not dwelling on the storage issues of the Nexus 4 (much as they aggravate me as well). Very excited that the WQXGA screen is actually happening.
Just wanted to say, I had the weirdest feeling when I read "the enormous memory bandwidth" referring to Exynos 5250. I mean, DDR3-800 may be a lot more than mobile devices are used to, but it's still feels weird to think of it as enormous in a world with 6GHz GDDR5. Reply
JasonInofuentes - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkYou're definitely right, compared to the PC space and to other RAM solutions we're really at about 5 years ago. But, the difference is the packaging and the voltages. The 2GB 800MHz DDR3 of the past sat on long double sided DIMM's and operated at 1.5V, today's similar DDR3L fit perched atop the rather small SoC and operate at a fraction of those voltages.
A long time ago, the CEO of Sega, at the Dreamcast swan song announcement, told us that in a decade we would carry around hardware with that kind of power in the palm of our hands. He was wrong. This is more powerful. Cheers. Reply
dishayu - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkI will probably pick a Nexus 4 up as soon at hits the market here in India. The pricing just kills S3/One X/iPhone/Optimus G and every other top tier phone. Add to that the prmoside of speedy updates that the Nexus tag brings. As long as one is in a non LTE region, this phone is a real no brainer.
I see how google/samsung might be making virtually no money out of the 16GB Nexus 10, i still think they should have priced the 32GB version at $449. NAND is cheap and they really shouldn't follow Apple's example in this case. Reply
Confusador - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkThe Nexus 10 looks amazing, but I really don't like the storage limitation. I understand that Google wants to imitate Apple on this, but since other Android tablets will have expanded storage, they need to come up with a way to handle it gracefully for the sake of the platform. Reply
dishayu - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkNexus devices have historically been without an expandable storage. How is this one imitating Apple, again? Being said that, i would have liked a card slot as well. Reply
B3an - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkAndroid tablets came after iFad. It's pretty obvious they're trying to imitate Apple here, which a bad idea, as one of the big selling points of Android tablets is that they're usually more capable and don't have stupid restrictions on storage.
If this had expandable storage and Win 8 tablets didn't exist i'd definitely get the Nexus 10. But i don't see any point in Android now that Win 8 + CloverTrail tablets are almost here that are infinitely more capable than any iOS/Android tablet. Reply
dishayu - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkSure, but it makes literally ZERO sense to copy a "negative" feature. Just because they dont have an expandable storage doesn't mean they were copied from something that came before it (Nexus One came before ipad, by the way, iphone came even before and nokia n91 even before that, but that's a meek point)..
Stock Android release does not support external mass storage for some technical reasons that i don't understand (although it has API support for it) and since Nexus Devices run 100% stock android, they can't have external card slots. Reply
piroroadkill - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkThe Nexus One had a microSD slot, but it's been downhill since then.
As always, no SD, no sale. Reply
GotThumbs - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkWhile I understand everyones pause regarding the lack of an mSD slot, check to see how much memory you've used in your current phone/tablet.
I attribute the desire for huge amounts of ram to that of those consumers wanting a car with 12 cylinders and goes 0-60 in 4 seconds. At the end of the day...will you even use a fraction of that power/potential? Most will not.
I have a Xoom 32GB with the mSD slot and haven't used it yet, so I find I can live without it. You may find that also. Now with my Droid2, I do have a 16GB card and still have 12.67GB of space available.
Since there are so many options available in todays marketplace (Android) consumers have the FREEDOM to choose which features are most important for them. LTE? I don't need it. At least you have options. With Apple, thats not the case at all.
Best wishes
BTW. I chose to have my own cloud and I'm able to stream music/video from my own home server (Using SubSonic). The key is to strive to be a savvy consumer and don't overspend for what you truly will use/need.
Best wishes and for those Fanbois....grow up and understand others can make up their own minds on how they spend their cash. Reply
jonup - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkOn the car analogy, I have a v8 that does sub-5 seconds 0-60. I feel like testing that a lot. Woodward Ave is my friend :)
If I had a 4sec V12, I would have used all its power everyday on the way to work.
p.s. I agree with your point. Just don't underestimate the petrolhead. Reply
JasonInofuentes - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkImitation is a pretty bold claim, I'll add to the chorus. The Nexus program isn't about offering the users all the checkboxes they want. The program is about providing an Android experience that is unsullied by any other factors. To that end, they provide a certain amount of storage and leave you with that. microSD isn't panacea, and while its bulk size makes it handy in a pinch, there are inconsistencies in speed and quality that can limit its appeal. If you're so media driven that you need to carry around 16/32/64GB of microSD cards to suit your needs, then the Nexus program isn't going to be for you. Reply
Conficio - Thursday, November 01, 2012 - linkThere is other uses for lots of memory (even slow memory).
For example to store maps (which google is not doing in any functional way), caching locally information so you have it accessible even w/o a network.
Not all people are city slickers, where networks are available plenty. Some live in the country or enjoy the outdoors and a device that can function (navigate, store knowledge (reading, study materials, etc), storing extensive notes (think of research material to write a story or an article, etc.), buffer news, etc.) is really desirable. Reply
Peanutsrevenge - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkThe SD and battery had already made it so Nexus devices were unlikely to get on any short list for me, but now no LTE? WTF!
The stupid part for me is that VZW and Sprint won't get the device anyway, regardless of whether LTE's included... so put LTE in, I certainly wouldn't buy a phone without LTE any longer.
I don't even live in an LTE area atm (UK), but it's rolling out right now and I can;'t see me upgrading my phone within 18 months of getting it, certainly not within 12 months.
Seriously gone off Nexus devices now and with it Android/Google.
No SD card... use the cloud I'm told... I might, if Google music etc weren't USA only. STUPID STUPID STUPID <insert rude words> Reply
thesavvymage - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - link.....go back and read why there is no LTE. It literally is IMPOSSIBLE to get a fully carrier-unlocked phone with LTE support. People seriously need some reading comprehension. Reply
snoozemode - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkIn US maybe yes, in other countries not so much. Its a stupid move by Google but probably has even more to do with price of the device since i guess theres a bit of IP/licensing fees for LTE. Reply
MadMan007 - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkI also think Google wants to avoid multiple SKUs, especially when it's because of region. Reply
Conficio - Thursday, November 01, 2012 - linkIf that is true, I don't understand why. Especially Google with an online distribution only should have no problem to stock lots of SKUs. See Amazon makes big business out of the long tail of books, because they don't have to stock it in hundreds or thousands of stores.
And in Europe you have to at least deal with the power connectors from country to country anyway. Reply
probedb - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkIt's not stupid, we only just have one 4G network in the UK and when the others come onboard they're likely to be on different bands.
HSPA+ is fine. My upload is twice my home broadband and download half my home broadband. But this is a phone. Reply
snoozemode - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkWell hey, there are more countries in the world than UK right? Reply
t.s - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkand well, hey, there's more countries in the world than US, right? Reply
snoozemode - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkYes? Reply
Fx1 - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkDUDE SERIOUSLY
WE LIVE IN UK! WE HAVE NO 4G. It launched today in some cities... Big deal?
It wont even work properly for 24 months.
There will be like zero coverage unless you stand next to a tower.
11mbps is the claimed speed for EE 4G. i am getting 9mbps from Three on HSDPA. My SKY broadband only gives me 12 meg.
this is a Phone and 4G isnt that important yet as nothing takes advantage of the speeds.
Plus you obviously dont understand the LTE issues with spectrum and licensing costs either.
If you dont like it go buy the S3 LTE Reply
ImSpartacus - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkThis single phone has to work around the world, not just in 'other countries'. Reply
Lugaidster - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkI think you're a little lost. The iPhone 5 in all it's versions won't even support half the LTE markets (counted as countries) in the world. We have LTE rolling out in a few weeks and the iPhone 5 doesn't even have a version that works with it (and that's with two bands!).
I'm on the GSM bandwagon until a useful replacement appears. No voice and data? Shitty battery life? No global coverage? No thank you. I can practically go to any country in the world with my gsm phone, buy a prepaid sim-card and have everything I need on my phone just like at home. My current Atrix served me in SE. Asia, Japan, Oceania, Spain and France, and most of S. America. About the only place that had LTE was Australia when I visited, and I couldn't care less about not having 50mbps. 10mbps is enough for me on the phone.
I can get the sd-slot gripes, but not the LTE ones (At least not for now anyway). Besides, the usual speeds for most countries home broadband services are within HSPA+ reach. Maybe a couple of years down the road it might matter. But I don't really care about that now. Reply
doobydoo - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - link'It literally is IMPOSSIBLE to get a fully carrier-unlocked phone with LTE support'
Yeah, OK. That's why every other manufacturer managed it (and even LG managed it). Reply
ImSpartacus - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkI think you may be mistaken. Apple's LTE iPhone has three versions while it's non-LTE iPhone had one single world-wide version. Samsung's GS3 has more than one version just to cover US LTE carriers. HTC had to make a different One X to make it onto AT&T's LTE.
Those three manufacturers had to make multiple versions of their halo phones because it's impossible to make a fully carrier-unlocked phone with global LTE support at this time. Reply
doobydoo - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkActually, it has 2 versions. One of which has an element which can be enabled/disabled.
Are you trying to claim Google can't do the same? Making 2 phones is beyond them? Please.
I can buy an iPhone, where I am, which is fully carrier unlocked, with LTE. That alone factually proves the original claim wrong. Period.
The fact that for other people to be able to do the same may require another model is Googles problem to solve, not the consumers to suffer for. Reply
Despoiler - Thursday, November 01, 2012 - linkYou don't seem to understand that Apple dictates to Verizon when their iOS releases are launched. No other phone manufacturer gets that right. Verizon has routinely scrapped or delayed Android OS updates because it found some thing in the release that it's QA flagged as not acceptable. The only reason Verizon can even do that is because CDMA is built around carrier control.
The Nexus is a development phone so Verizon dictating to Google what, when, and where it can do OS upgrades defeats the purpose of development. As Verizon does this a lot t of it's LTE Gnex users have unlocked the bootloader, rooted, and ROM'd it making the phone useless for development. They dropped LTE because they dropped Verizon. Reply
Zambollo - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkAccording to Qualcomm, this chip (APQ8064 ) should have GLONASS, but there is no mention of that??? Reply
peroni - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkI wonder if GNSS is meant to be Glonass? Reply
ImSpartacus - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkGNSS is Glonass, GPS and a few other satellite services. Reply
dishayu - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkMy knowledge could be out of date here but GPS chip is seperate from the SOC as far as i know (APQ8064 in this case). Reply
chrone - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkDear Anand and The Gang,
Please do a storage performance benchmark as what you did on last Nexus 7" review. Would love to see whether there's improvement on the storage side. :) Reply
jonup - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - link^ +1 Reply
ImSpartacus - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkYes, I want to be thankful that Google forgoed microSD to ensure high storage speeds on the Nexus 4. *crosses fingers* Reply
sheltem - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkThis is seriously the ultimate phone for TMobile US value plan users. Aside from the small onboard storage and the possibly mediocre camera, the rest of the phone specs scream high end. $69.99 for unlimited everything is one heck of a deal for those who are in a well supported Tmobile urban area. What's the point of 20+ megabit LTE speeds when you can burn through your data cap in a few hours? Reply
thesavvymage - Wednesday, October 31, 2012 - linkEven better than t-mobile's 70$ unlimited: StraightTalk's unlimited which uses T-Mobile and AT&Ts network for $45 per month :) pay the extra 150 for the nexus from google instead of 200 on contract with tmobile and save yourself that 25$ per month. 6 months down the road you break even, the other 18 months of the contract you'll be up $450 :) Reply
Pastuch - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkI don't understand the desire for LTE at all. We live in a world of 1gb or 6gb data caps on the bulk of mobile providers. LTE wireless seeking is so bad on my coworkers Iphone 5s that they have to disable it to get their battery to last through lunch.
I get 8000 kbps on speedtest.net. With a 1gb cap and additional data at 1$ per MB, I would happily give up 50% of my speed for double the monthly download limit.
21mb HSPA or even 5mb is plenty for streaming video and audio on a smart phone. Reply
ImSpartacus - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkYeah, my Verizon GS3 sucks a ton of data every month. I'm still lucky enough to be on their $30/mo unlimited LTE plan. I honestly don't think I would want LTE if I had to limit myself to ~5GB per month.
With my Droid X, I rarely went over two gigs, but this LTE is crazy. I'm constantly streaming Pandora or podcasts (next AT podcast?!). I find myself streaming from Netflix and Youtube too often. They are really a wasteful habits that I've allowed myself to adopt.
I'd rather have slower service that doesn't make me pay a ton. Reply
jonup - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkI get the feeling that majority of the people that are complaining about the lack of LTE are on CDMA networks. Their 3G bandwidth is limitted at bellow 2Mbps (real world) so the jump to LTE is tangible. GSM's 3G was more in the realm of 3-4Mbps and morphed into 3.5G's 10-13Mbps over time. So the GSM networks provided enough bandwidth to bottleneck at the individual device's hardware. LTE, save for latencies, did not bring much real world benefit to the GSM users. With the advancement of the hardware of the mobile devices, LTE will become more relevent. But for now 15Mbps will be sufficient. Verizon/Sprint users shouldn't be upset about LTE. The phone is not even meant for your networks. This should be your first complain. Reply
Conficio - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkI think I found the Christmas present for my wife in the Nexus 4. I need GSM worldwide and don't care about LTE (yet). My wife is ready for a smart phone and the price is not to beat.
And did I mention I'm strictly off contract ;-) Reply
zappb - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkDon't forget those golf clubs you kept promising her, and also I think you should use her credit card to buy the nexus 10 because you're such a thoughtful husband, Reply
Tanclearas - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkI would not say that AirPlay is "ubiquitous". It is only so if you happen to have iOS devices, combined with a very limited number of accessories. Apple does not license the video portion of AirPlay, so your only official option is Apple TV. Software out there for doing mirroring exists due to reverse engineering of the protocol. Miracast absolutely has the potential of becoming ubiquitous, making AirPlay nothing more than a curious footnote in the history of tech, like 3dfx's Glide.
The "Mapgate" of iOS 6 is only going to become a bigger thorn in Apple's side. The ability to take these photo spheres and have them in Google Maps is huge.
With every new Android version, Google is eliminating the advantages of iOS, all while Apple fails to do the same. Reply
robinthakur - Wednesday, October 31, 2012 - linkI think you are overstating the issues. Airplay has been out for a while now and is actually fairly ubiquitous on devices in the sense that there are about 30 different wireless speakers I could choose from that support it, and most mid-range and up audio receivers support it. The Apple TV is so cheap that it is nearly an impulse purchase (as is the Airport Express if you just need to literally plug it into some speakers) so I'd say the cost of entry has come down massively and the bugs in the system worked out over the last couple of yearts its been on sale to form a reliable, mature offering which is pretty plug and play. I ensure that Airplay is available on all my new audio devices I buy for the home and have done since the spec came out. Compared to this Bluetooth streaming is hit and miss and generally sounds crappy-compressed and this Miracast is quite late to the party.
I agree that the Photo spheres are a nice idea, but can't really see it being that useful in maps unless Google stitches them all together to map interiors or something like that. Although I also have access to a Galaxy 3 for maps, I think the Mapgate isue will be solved once Google releases Maps or iOS in due course. Agree that Apple does now need to innovate to stay ahead as previous advantages like smoothness of OS and usability are starting to be matched (though not by Android, at least not on my Galaxy 3!) Firing Scott Forstall and giving Jonny Ive the GUI role is a good start. Hopefully there will be fewer apps sporting fake stitched leather... Reply
Klug4Pres - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkGood pricing, and clever positioning of this device. The consumer can now choose to sell his soul to the Big G for a couple hundred bucks, while the carriers and the OEMs can continue to milk the mass market. What a wonderful World! Reply
zappb - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkSelling my soul for the Big G, Dawg! Reply
senecarr - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkI'd like someone to correct if I don't remember how all the CAS latency style stuff works, but isn't the memory configuration of the Nexus 10 a little better?
I know they have the same peak bandwidth, but assuming you need less than the full bandwidth at a given time, won't being able to get a block in 1/800millionth of a second be a little better than in 1/400millionth? I'd assume in any kind of real world application, the difference would probably be negligible. Reply
JasonInofuentes - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkYeah where the real pay-off comes is in the ability to do multiple memory intensive things at once. For instance, mirroring to an external 1080p display while also generating full resolution content. The difference between latencies can play a huge role, but I believe a lot of that is hidden by the latency of the actual memory interface, which is why it's a pretty big deal that SoCs are bulking up in that space. Reply
zhuoke - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linki've read the review of iPhone5 then I decided to translate the comments below the review.http://www.pcpop.com/doc/0/826/826628.shtml Reply
Penti - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkDoes it have OTG support? Could be helpful. But I know Nexus firmware usually don't want to support it, or exFAT, NTFS etc. Asus, LG and Samsung usually supports it though. Stickmount requires root which shouldn't be too difficult on Nexus roms but. Plus lots of software now days don't like rooted devices. Reply
Impulses - Friday, November 02, 2012 - linkThere's actually an app that enables USB drive mounting on the Nexus 7 without root... Though I'm not sure if it allows you to write to the drive so it's possibly a bit of a hack, haven't looked into it, certainly allows you to import media from drives tho (or even play it from them). Reply
dyc4ha - Wednesday, October 31, 2012 - linkI really appreciate where Google is going with their Nexus line; they are truly marvelous and reasonably priced. Can't wait for the AT full in-depth review! Reply
syxbit - Wednesday, October 31, 2012 - linkWhy would you compare the Exynos 5 to the A5X. You should really have compared it to the A6X. Reply
Conficio - Thursday, November 01, 2012 - linkI look forward to hear more about the wireless charging tech.
Are there charging matts on the market? What do they cost?
How well do they work? Reply
tipoo - Monday, November 05, 2012 - linkDo you think some more extensive and real world default browser testing would be possible with the Surface, the iPad, and this? I think that would be pretty cool. I'm more curious about the multi tab performance than synthetics. Clearly they optimize around benchmarks, I'd rather see page load times, how they render background tabs, how many tabs it takes to make them stutter, etc. Reply


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Ted Ligety won his second Winter Olympics gold medal eight years after his first by powering to victory in the men's giant slalom.
Ligety, whose only triumph at the Games before Wednesday was in the combined at Turin 2006, was in a class of his own and laid the groundwork for his triumph with a first run that left him almost one second clear of the rest of the field.
The American overcame a couple of nervy moments in his final run to post an overall time of two minutes 45.29 seconds, which was enough to clinch top spot by 0.48secs ahead of runner-up Steve Missillier, whose fellow Frenchman Alexis Pinturault took bronze.
Finland secured gold in the cross country men's team sprint final after Sami Jauhojaervi held off the challenge of Russian Nikita Kriukov in the home straight.
There was drama in the closing stages of the race as Germany's Tim Tscharnke took a tumble in the middle of the three-man leading pack.
That fall allowed Teodor Peterson to ski ahead and earn a bronze medal for Sweden, with Tscharnke finishing seventh after regaining his feet.
Ingvild Flugstad Oestberg and Marit Bjoergen led Norway to victory in the women's event.
Aino-Kaisa Saarinen and Kerttu Niskanen of Finland took silver, with Sweden's Ida Ingemarsdotter and Stina Nilsson pipping Germany to third place.
Vic Wild claimed gold for hosts Russia in the men's snowboard parallel giant slalom final, minutes after seeing his wife Alena Zavarzina win bronze in the women's event.
US-born Wild, who became a Russian citizen two years ago, beat Nevin Galmarini in the big final at Rosa Khutor Extreme Park, overcoming a first-run deficit to see off the challenge of the Swiss.
Wild had first got past Patrick Bussler in the last four, with the German then missing out on a bronze medal in the small final to Slovenia's Zan Kosir.
Shortly before the men's event, Switzerland's Patrizia Kummer walked off with gold in the women's race after Tomoka Takeuchi of Japan fell in the second run of their showdown.
Reigning World Cup champion Kummer, 26, beat home hope Zavarzina in the semis to set up a final against Takeuchi, who benefited from a slip by Ina Meschik in their last-four tie.
Zavarzina then took bronze in the small final before she watched her husband's success.
Canada will face defending Olympic champions Sweden in the final of the women's curling competition after their respective wins over Great Britain and Switzerland.
Jennifer Jones' unbeaten rink proved just too strong for GB as they claimed a 6-3 victory in the Ice Cube Curling Center.
Sweden's match with the Swiss was a much more topsy-turvy affair, but a strong finish set up a 7-5 success.

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text: Youngest son of Joseph Eaton, Sr., and Jennet Unknown, of Grainger Co., TN. In 1808, Daniel, along with brother John, inherited father Joseph's land. He was also one of the witnesses to Jeremiah Chamberlain's 1829 will. In 1855, Daniel married Charity Vannoy in Grainger Co. (Given their ages, it is likely that one or both were previously married.) Apparently, Daniel and Charity had no children. Charity was afterwards declared a "lunatic" and a guardian was appointed for her upon Daniel's death in 1865. (He died intestate.) Lawsuits were eventually filed by Daniel's siblings or their children contending that, based on the above circumstances, they--not Charity--were the rightful heirs to their brother's estate.


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evil to hoard money like that ...at the very least give a little to some charity or in some way give back...
Not really uncalled for when it's true. When has any version of Windows actually just worked well? When has there not been a remotely exploitable bug? Which then allows a new virus to spread like wildfire and MS can never seem to patch it before it's already infected thousands to millions of PC's??? Not to say OS X is perfect but the two products can't even be compared when it comes to security, and even usability or ease of use OS X is a superior product hands down. And just look at a Windows CE device and the comparable Apple product would be the Newton which came out first and was still a better product than most CE devices ever made. Then compare the Windows Mobile devices to any iPhone and we all can see which was the better device even if MS only made the OS it was still bulky and version fragmented across handsets not unlike Android. Ever tried to install the newest OS version on a CE or Win Mobile device odds are you can't because older devices weren't supported which is a problem Apple doesn't have. Every device could run the latest OS until it was at least 2 revisions old, something a Win CE or Mobile device can't say.
But after all that if you think his comment was mean or harsh then it was as reality is harsh and the truth usually hurts.
Jobs is pissed his net worth was never greater than Gates.
Plus he earned that money by making superior products and if he wanted to be a miser like Scrooge then that's his right. If he chose to keep his money and not use charity as a tax break that's his choice to be "greedy" and pay more taxes. Most wealthy people don't really care about charity other than using their donations as a way to pay less taxes anyway so who can say what their true motivation to be charitable really is???
"you get what you put in and people get what they deserve".
And Bill and Warren are still living very fruitful lives....oh the irony.
......and before the fan army comes after me, here's another line that can come in your defense...
"only the good die young". hehe
MS products were successful as a (relative) first mover, though stolen. Then they held the market as a monopoly.
No, his comments were not only called for, but right on the money.
Funny story, the first time I used a Mac (a Mac purchased by a shortsighted moment of weakness on the part of my dad) I had it freeze and crash on me an hour out of the box, brand new. The timing was perfect too. I was checking the Network, and OSX had found some of my Windows machines, and displayed them as CRT Monitors with blue screens. When I saw this, OSX crashed and we got a refund. I managed to convince my dad to go with Windows 7, and the thing is still going strong.
Anyway, back on topic:
Steve Jobs can kiss my *** from hell. I already had ZERO respect for this guy, and I do believe that counter has sunk to the negatives. I hope the occupy protestors harass whatever family member got that money, right to the grave.
Occupy Protestors...if you are reading this...I will PAY to have you guys dropped right on Cupertino's doorsteps. Go west Occupy...go west. Whatever greedy family member(s) have Steve Jobs' money...they are now the 1% That is wealth I would love to see redistributed. I want to see everything that has Steve Jobs disgusting name attached to it, go down in flames for this.
You have a guy like Bill Gates, pleading with this greedy sack of crap, asking him, man to man, to turn over his wealth to those in need when he dies, and Steve Jobs snubs his noes, as if he is disgusted by the poor and those in need. Then he has the nerve to attack Bill Gates, and the source of his generosity (his products). I hope your death was a slow one Steve Jobs...you selfish SOB...you deserved every last moment of it.
If I have said it before, I WILL say it again, with pride. The world is a better place without the greed of Steve Jobs clouding it.
It does suck a little that he decided to go that route but no one is entitled to give their wealth away after death. It doesn't matter what he gives back to the community after he dies, what matters is what he gave back to the community while he was alive. Let's face it, regardless of who came up with what, or who's software is better, the fact is no one on this board would be able to be doing what you are doing right now if it wasn't for him. He made the world what it is today with his innovations in technology. That alone is the biggest contribution. Money will run out, great ideas live on.
That good sir is what we Internet people call "PWNED"
Wow, I can't believe how shallow you guys are. "Steve Jobs is great cause he sold me a great phone. Bill Gates is crap cause he cares more about people then computers." Thats exactly how you guys sound like. I use Windows 7 and I rarely have any problems, no more problems then my girlfriend who uses a Macbook. Maybe you should stop clicking on those "You are our 1 millionth visitor, click to claim your prize" ads. Windows runs great its people who make malware for it that screw up your computer. I'm not saying Apple products aren't great, hell I wouldn't be on this site if I thought that. Steve can use his money how ever he likes, he earned it, he can burn it if he liked. Who are we to say how he uses it? What Steve said is low, It was a outright attack because he wanted to deflect his lack of philanthropy, and anyone that cannot see that is blinded by their shiny iPhone.
Let me google that for you
"If an asset is left to a (Federally recognized) spouse or a charitable organization, the tax usually does not apply.
For deaths occurring in 2011, up to $5,000,000 can be passed from an individual upon his or her death without incurring federal estate tax."
ETA: Political posturing between wealthy people means very little, just like the Occupy movement.
I prefer Jobs' product to Gates'. Purely cosmetic reasons.
We all give up certain freedoms to add security, in every aspect of life. From computing, to social, to financial.
to many people (technology blondes) innovating isn't a huge thing. Microsoft is a lot bigger than apple. it doesn't matter how you make your money, as long as you get lots of it as long as you're not child sex slaving or anything...


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A MAN has been rushed to hospital with life-threatening injuries after his arm was crushed beneath a truck.
The pedestrian, who is in his 40s, suffered significant injuries to his right arm after becoming trapped underneath a Travis Perkins truck on Pinecliff Road, Poole, at 2.20pm yesterday afternoon.
It is thought that the middle-aged man had been crossing the road, close to Canford Cliffs Library, when he was involved in the collision with a green Travis Perkins drop side DAF truck.
Firefighters and paramedics took almost an hour to free him before he was taken by ambulance to Southampton Hospital with a police escort. A South Western Ambulance Service NHS Trust spokesperson described his injuries as life-threatening.
Pinecliff Road was closed from the junction with Beach Road and Western Road for several hours. Traffic was diverted to Weston Avenue.
Due to the seriousness of the incident police kept the road closed to allow specially trained crash investigators examined the scene.
The driver was badly shaken and both he and another male passenger from the HGV were offered medical assistance from paramedics but declined it.
Mike Smithies, 55, from Canford Cliffs said: "It's quite frightening that this has happened. It's quite an unusual place to cross the road. You don't generally get a lot of traffic along this road, but there's obviously going to be more because of the school holidays."
Fire crews from Westbourne and Poole arrived to assist with the rescue of the man and a specialist heavy rescue appliance was also requested from Blandford, but was later stood down.
Traffic Officer PC Craig Redmond said that Dorset Police are keen to trace the movements of the male pedestrian prior to the incident, who was wearing a blue t-shirt and dark trousers.
Witnesses and anyone with information should contact Dorset Police on 101, quoting incident number 244.


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HOUSTON - Parents saif they are outraged that allegations that a piano teacher inappropriately touched children were not made public sooner.
Lawrence Patrick, 65, a former teacher at St. Rose of Lima Catholic School, has been charged with three counts of indecency with a child.
According to court documents, Patrick has been accused of grabbing an 8-year-old girl's chest about 32 times while giving her private piano lessons at school.
Parent Alejandro Ariaza picked his kids up from summer camp, unaware that a former music teacher at the school had been arrested.
"They trust adults, and they're taking advantage of the situation," he said.
The school said it sent an email to parents to let them know about the allegations. In the message, Father Clint Ressler referred to another allegation involving Patrick and a 10-year-old girl in 2007.
According to court documents, the principal at the time looked into the allegations and deemed them as accidental. It was noted in Patrick's file, however, authorities were not contacted, the school said.
"The principal's file memo made in 2007 indicates that she felt she did not have cause to believe that sexual abuse had occurred," the Archdiocese of Galveston-Houston said in a statement.
Lawrence Patrick has been released from jail on bond while he awaits his next court date.
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Pork Chops with Mango Salsa Recipe
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Diced mango and chopped onion and pineapple make a fresh and fruity topping for these easy pork chops. For extra flavor, add chopped cilantro to the salsa. —Pete Johnson, Chippewa Falls, Wisconsin
Recommended: 77 Tropical Recipes for a Taste-cation Anytime
VERIFIED BY Taste of Home Test Kitchen
- 3/4 cup plus 1 tablespoon Italian salad dressing with roasted red pepper and Parmesan, divided
- 6 boneless pork loin chops (5 ounces each)
- 1 medium mango, peeled and diced
- 1/2 cup chopped sweet onion
- 1/2 cup chopped fresh pineapple
- Pour 3/4 cup salad dressing into a large resealable plastic bag; add pork chops. Seal bag and turn to coat; refrigerate for 8 hours or overnight, turning occasionally.
- In a small bowl, combine the mango, onion, pineapple and remaining salad dressing. Chill until serving.
- Drain and discard marinade. Grill chops, covered, over medium heat or broil 4-5 in. from the heat for 4-5 minutes on each side or until a thermometer reads 145°. Let stand for 5 minutes before serving. Serve with salsa. Yield: 6 servings.
Originally published as Pork Chops with Mango Salsa in Simple & Delicious September/October 2009, p60
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Reviewed Mar. 5, 2013
"Only made the salsa to go with jerk chicken. It was very good. I will make it again."
Reviewed May. 21, 2012
"The husband who NEVER says "it's good" raved over this. Used red onion and added a wee bit of cilantro to the salsa! Good Stuff my hubby says!!"
Reviewed May. 20, 2012
"This was so good and really easy to make. I served with black beans and grilled veggies."
Reviewed May. 19, 2012
"Prepared this on several occasions an it's top rate. Serve over rice (brown or white) with a salad side. 'Good Eats.' ;>)"
Reviewed Jul. 9, 2011
"Instead of grilling, I put these in the oven for an hour with the marinade. My guests were very complimentary and said the pork was juicy. If you haven't ever worked with mango before, find cutting tips before beginning."


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THE Afghan President, Hamid Karzai, has given US special forces troops two weeks to withdraw completely from the key battleground province of Wardak, after it was alleged American troops had abused, tortured and even murdered civilians.
The order, which appears to have surprised American military leadership, will further strain fraying relations between the countries as the US prepares to withdraw combat troops by the end of next year.
Mr Karzai's chief spokesman, Aimal Faizi, said American abuses of civilians had caused ''public resentment and hatred''.
''We have received a plethora of complaints, with elders from Maidan Wardak giving President Karzai evidence [of] forces storming people's houses, torturing and killing the inmates,'' he said.
''A recent example in the province is an incident in which nine people were disappeared in an operation by this suspicious force, and in a separate incident a student was taken away at night from his home, his tortured body with [his] throat cut was found two days later under a bridge.''
The student's alleged murder sparked protests on the streets of Wardak's capital, Maidan Shahar, this month.
The Afghan government said it had previously shared reports of atrocities with US commanders in Kabul, but they were rejected.
A spokesman for the US military in Afghanistan said: ''We take all allegations of misconduct seriously and go to great lengths to determine the facts.
''Until we have had a chance to speak with senior [Afghan] officials about this issue we are not in a position to comment further. This is an important issue that we intend to fully discuss with our Afghan counterparts.''
The Taliban remains active across Wardak, west of the capital, Kabul, and security has deteriorated significantly over the past year. US troops routinely carry out night raids on suspected militant hideouts, in an effort to stop insurgents reaching the capital.
This month Mr Karzai banned Afghan troops from seeking NATO air support after a US-led air raid killed 10 civilians, including women and children, in the east of the country.
NATO defence ministers agreed at a summit in Brussels at the weekend to keep between 8000 and 12,000 troops in Afghanistan as part of the ''train, advise and assist'' mission after combat forces withdraw in 2014.


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Has anyone used Google Analytics?
Does it let you track user movements on real-time?
How does it compare to other Page Analytics offerings?
I am currently using GoDaddy's Site Analytics and its okay, I guess, but I'd like to save the $2.99 per month if Google Analytics is just as good or better...
Google Analytics doesn't do real-time tracking, but it is reasonably comprehensive as a standards analytics package, and has the great advantage of being free! Basically, if you need something really detailed, real-time analytics, you may have to pay for it. For most sites, Google Analytics is more than enough.
Have you (or anyone else on here) used Go Daddy's Site Analytics?
If so, how do the two compare?
I find the real-time analytics to be very helpful for fledgling websites that I'm working on.
I've been using Google analytics for 3+ years, and install it on most of my client's websites, and it does more than enough for me. It has a very intuitive and accessible interface, as well as a ton of features if you actually want to dive in. Ditch GoDaddy, go for free (and probably better).
Google analytic really works. I have used it on many websites. It has great features of tracking lots of things at a single time. Also its free and no hassle of paying money. You should definitely go for it.
Hi,I have a question about "Google Analytics".What's the main advantages using google analytics.....??What are the features of Google analytics...??
Google Analytics is free. The report covers from traffics, traffic's source, conversion rate, bounced rate and etc. You can sign up one and compare the features yourselves since the account is free.
It is not real-time report, anyway, but the report is updated in daily basis. We can check the past and improve present.
I have never used GoDaddy's Site Analytics, not much comment can share.
Thank you very much for sending me advice. It is very helpful.
Moved to SEO forum.
Google analytics is the google tool which help you to know the statics of visitors come on your website.
Google analytic is a good traffic measuring tool, I am using it from my company website. Pinkypainter is very right about it features, it have all those features. It is not a real time tool but it is free and working well for me.
I never use godaddy website analysis tool as i am not using godaddy hosting services....
If you compare Google Analytics to the cPanel stats, you will find that Google Analytics are more accurate. On of that, it's completely free.
The stats get refreshed once per day at a certain day time.
CPanel stats tend to exxagerate the number of visits, that's why people sometimes think that they are getting a hell lot of traffic, while the real number of UVs might be only a half of it.


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Born July 2, 1933, Bob grew up in Dolores Colo., and attended DHS with sister Ann, where his mom taught and his dad (Bob Sr.) coached, was the principal and served as superintendent of Dolores School District.
Summer years were spent working in one of the Millard lumber mills, building fences on the Aiken ranch or for an area mining company. He was one of the last to ride the Galloping Goose railcar, to and from work at the Enterprise Mine in Rico.
He graduated from Colorado A&M with a degree in veterinary medicine, and at age 24 opened one of the first veterinary clinics in the Albuquerque area and was responsible for serving 300 square miles.
In 1947, after helping to consolidate the school district, his dad bought one of the surplus one-room schoolhouses (Bear Creek) at auction ,which became the family retreat and was utilized as Bob's lodge. While visiting he would usually stop by and see a neighbor or two, and if needed, treat one of their animals. The cabin is still enjoyed by the family.
His hunger to explore historical wilderness sites and areas of New Mexico and southern Colorado was fueled by his thirst for railroad, mining and Native Americanl history.
He also devoted much of his life to serving his church, community and volunteer animal rescue and service charities such as his supervisory role at the Watermelon Mountain (Rescue) Ranch in Rio Rancho, N.M.
One of the most likable people you could ever meet, he was also a great husband, father, brother, uncle, mentor, fellow worker and friend. He was compassionate, laid-back, humble, hardworking and hilarious.
His wife, Marlene, daughter Terri and rest of the family are grateful to the men and women of Montezuma and Dolores county sherriff's, fire and search and rescue departments for their dedication and service in treacherous conditions along Colorado 145.
Services will be held at Christian Fellowship Church, 3901 Claremont Ave., NE, Albuquerque, NM, 87110 at 2 p.m., Saturday, May 17.
In lieu of flowers, the family asks that you make donations to the Watermelon Mountain (Rescue) Ranch Animal Center, on the web at www.wmranch.org "In memory of Dr. Bob Blake."


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U.S. Manager Bruce Arena
"It was a good win for our players. They played exceptionally well in the second half. Give Honduras credit. They capitalized on a mistake and produced a goal out of it. We weren't our best in the first 10 or 15 minutes of the game, but we played quite well after that. We knew at halftime the adjustments we had to make. We had planned to bring in Noonan and Dempsey, and I think they did a good job to help us. Obviously, they were great goals by John O'Brien and 'Gooch. Overall, it was a good win."
U.S. Defender Oguchi Onweyu
On the winning goal:
"We've been getting opportunities on free kicks and corner kicks all game, and I missed one barely in the first half, but we kept on knocking on the door. I think we were bound to get a good opportunity. I don't think anyone expected it to be in the last minute of the game, but thankfully it happened."
U.S. Midfielder John O'Brien
On the winning goal:
"We had been searching for a goal. We had a bunch of good chances. But it didn't quite happen. That goal took a lot of weight off. 'Gooch did a great job of finishing it off."
On his goal:
"I don't know who it was on their team that toe-poked it, but it came right at me and I just reacted with my left foot. I just tried to pass it in. I could just tell right away that it was heading right inside the net."
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Nehalem: The Unwritten Chaptersby Anand Lal Shimpi on 11/7/2008 12:00 AM EST
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lemonadesoda - Wednesday, November 19, 2008 - linkAnand. Fantastic article, but:
1./ You didnt mention whether your tests were on 32bit or 64bit. We know that 32bit Core 2 is more efficient due to microcode fusion, whereas that isnt true for 64bit. On i7, opcode fusion is there on 64bit.
2./ I think you should execute a CPU HALT to observe deep down idle. This figure, say 110W, should then be SUBTRACTED from all other results. Why? Because this is essentially the mainboard/HDD/system power draw excluding the CPU. I see from your figures that the power used (as a delta from idle) on i7 is actually HIGHER than QX9770. So I actually have a very different view than you. I think x58 is much more efficient, and that internal memory controller is less power than older northbridge. But when the i7 is crunching, is is using more power AT THE CPU than the QX9770 Reply
prodystopian - Monday, November 10, 2008 - linkWhile this limit is a non-issue for anyone getting a X58 motherboard, what about those looking for the e2xxx of this generation? When looking for a cheap CPU to heavily OC to get an extreme Price/performance, it would be best to pair with a cheap motherboard such as the next P series (not X). I'm assuming we don't know whether this BIOS switch will be on the P series motherboards, but if it is not, that is where the real problem occurs. Reply
Live - Sunday, November 09, 2008 - linkI don't know if this has been answered yet but what are the advantage of the i7-965 higher QPI? Can you overclock the QPI and if so dose it make a difference? Reply
Live - Sunday, November 09, 2008 - linkLive I think you meant to write:
I don't know if this has been answered yet, but what is the advantage of the i7-965 higher QPI? Can you overclock the QPI and if so does it make a difference? Reply
CEO Ballmer - Saturday, November 08, 2008 - linkMade for Vista!
http://fakesteveballmer.blogspot.com">http://fakesteveballmer.blogspot.com Reply
Rev1 - Saturday, November 08, 2008 - linkMaybe im missing something but being that the multiplier was not unlocked how did he get it that high? Reply
frazz - Saturday, November 08, 2008 - linkSurely CPU power at a fixed voltage is proportional to the square of the voltage, not the cube? I thought the formula was this:
Power dissipation = C.V^2.f where C is the capacitance being switched per clock cycle Reply
frazz - Saturday, November 08, 2008 - linkSorry I meant CPU power at a fixed FREQUENCY is proportional to the square of the voltage. D'oh. Reply
HolyFire - Saturday, November 08, 2008 - linkI agree. This surely was a misinterpretation of Intel's slide, which actually meant: If the frequency is increased proportionally to the voltage, the power will go like voltage cubed. But for a fixed frequency, power goes like voltage squared.
In either case, I find that slide a little suspicious, as I have not yet seen any theoretical or experimental result suggesting that frequency should be linearly proportional to voltage. Reply
ltcommanderdata - Friday, November 07, 2008 - linkGreat article. It's nice to see someone do a more in depth analysis of Nehalem's characteristics rather than just printing a bunch of benchmarks.
In regards to you Hyperthreading tests, it might be interesting to isolate the causes of HT performance increases in Nehalem. HT quite often was a hinderance for Netburst and it would be interesting to see whether the cause was primarily HT's implementation in Netburst or just do the the maturity of HT compatible software at the time. It's an odd coincidence that the last processor to carry HT, besides Atom, was the Pentium Extreme Edition 965 while the first desktop processor to reintroduce HT is again numbered 965 as part of the Core i7 family.
For instance, you could try to compare the speedup that 965EE receives going from 2 to 4 threads against the i7-965 doing the same. It would also be interesting to see if HT's performance delta improves going from Windows XP to Windows Vista, which would imply that Vista's scheduler is smarter about dispatching tasks to logical cores that don't share resources.
And in regards to mobile Nehalem, I agree that the power consumption improvements could really benefit notebooks, but it's kind of curious that Nehalem won't come to notebooks until Q3 2009. I believe previous Core 2 rollouts for Merom and Penryn were pretty fast, like a quarter spread between the desktop, notebook, and UP/DP server markets, but this looks to be a 3 quarter spread. I wonder what the delay is? With a Q3 2009 mobile Nehalem launch, they might as well just wait a quarter and do a strong roll out of Westmere on mobile first. Reply
Denithor - Saturday, November 08, 2008 - linkHT works well on i7 because of two things: software is much more multithreaded today and there have been drastic throughput & memory controller improvements in the generations from Netbust to Nehalem.
Multithreaded applications can be accelerated hugely by pulling resources from multiple cores to work on one application (whether physical or virtual cores doesn't matter).
HT on Netbust was like fitting a garden hose onto a fire hydrant. The data just backed up and couldn't feed through the pipe smoothly. On i7 the bandwidth and memory controller have been optimized to improve flow so the cores don't sit idle (HT basically levels the flow of work across the cores so they all stay busy). Reply
TA152H - Saturday, November 08, 2008 - linkActually, you're probably missing the point that Nehalem is a lot wider than the Pentium 4 was. Consequently for any given clock cycle, you have more execution resources available for two threads that are probably not used, and could be with an additional thread.
Most of the time, the data is read from the L1 cache, or, at worst, the L2 cache, so the memory throughput isn't going to be a huge problem most of the time. But, then again, the i7 has a bigger L1 cache, which probably helps as well. It's very slow though, and it makes you wonder why they shackled this processor with a very slow L1 cache (the same clock as a Pentium 4, but with much lower clock speed design). I mean, it can't clock higher than the Penryn, and the cache isn't any bigger, so does it need to be 33% slower? Power savings are nice, but not for a 33% slower L1 cache.
Also, I'm curious why Intel gave up on the Pentium 4 before the 45 nm production. If you think about it, the drastically lower power use of this manufacturing technology would have yielded enormous improvements in clock speed (since the limitation for it was not based on transistor switching speed, but on the power/heat). I don't think there's any doubt they'd be running over 6 GHz, and with some effective tweaks (and undoing some of the Prescott's damager) it might be an interesting processor. Probably not though, but I'm a little curious how it would pan out. Reply
ltcommanderdata - Saturday, November 08, 2008 - linkYes, I think HT fits well with Nehalem because of the increased execution resources, 3 ALUs, 2 FPUs, and 3 SSE units compared to 3 ALUs and 2 FPU/SSE units in Netburst. Although I think HT serves a different purpose in each design. Netburst didn't have as much memory bandwidth and it's latency was higher so HT served to hide that, while Nehalem has plenty of memory bandwidth and execution resources and HT serves to best take advantage of those resources.
In regards to the high cache latency, I have to agree. I have yet to see an explanation of where the high L1 cache latency comes from. And the L2 cache latency is similarly unimpressive considering Dothan had a 2MB L2 cache per core with a 10 cycle latency while Nehalem's 256KB L2 cache per core has higher latency at 11 cycles. Granted that perhaps having a L3 cache forces limitations on the caches, but I still think the latencies are quite high. No offense to the Oregon team, but the last time they did a microarchitecture refresh in Prescott they increased the P4's L1 cache latency from 2 cycles in Northwood to 4 cycles in Prescott and the L2 latency from 16 cycles to 23 cycles so it's disconcerting that they've increased the L1 cache latency from 3 cycles in Penryn to the same 4 cycles in Nehalem, decreased the L2 cache size from 6MB to 256KB to only gain 4 cycles to 11 cycles, and added a 39 cycle L3 cache. I don't think latencies will improve in Westmere, but hopefully they can double the L2 cache to 512KB without increasing latencies and similarly increase the L3 cache, probably to 12MB, without increasing latencies. And maybe latencies can improve in the next microarchitecture refresh in Sandy Bridge with the return of the Israeli team.
And I also agree that the P4 could probably still have hope with the 45nm process. Even at the 65nm process, Presler still had potential. With the Pentiumm Extreme Edition 965, Intel had basically caught up with the power consumption of it's competitor the FX-60. And things actually improved over time, if you looked at the original Presler B1 stepping Intel was only able to reach 3GHz in the 930D at a 95W TDP, while by the last D0 stepping released after Conroe, Presler was able to reach 3.6GHz in the 960D under the same 95W TDP. Under the same process, a 20% increase in clock speed for the same power consumption is impressive for any micro-architecture, and especially Netburst.
Clearly, the 65nm process could have brought Netburst's power consumption under control, but by that time development focus had long already shifted to Merom which is why Presler/Ceder Mill was only a shrink rather than a redesign of Prescott. I guess we'll never know what could have happened if Intel had actually used Presler to correct Prescott's flaws such as reducing cache latency, adding a 2nd instruction decoder to keep the Trace Cache and execution units fed, introducing a native dual core design like Yonah over Dothan, etc. But I think the Merom strategy was in the end better since even with a redesign to improve performance, Netburst would probably always have power consumption on the high-end of acceptible, and would have never been fit for mobile usage which is where consumer focus is shifting. Reply
IntelUser2000 - Saturday, November 08, 2008 - linkDon't complain with the lack of single thread increase. Where do you think the majority of the performance increase in Core 2 came from?? It's not a new idea, it just has better memory parallelism(memory disambiguation, excellent prefetchers).
Future IS MULTI-THREAD. Single thread brings minimal performance increase. For gamers who care, GPU does far more than CPU and multi-threading increases things in things that really matter.
Westmere isn't gonna bring large L2 caches, L3 caches will increase but that's because the core count is going to 6 cores. Sandy Bridge will bring per core L2 cache to 512KB, but how much do you think that'll do?? It's at most 5-10%.
The ways to increase x86 CPU performance is decreasing. This is the reason Sandy Bridge will bring advanced Turbo Mode implementation for single threaded performance. Reply
ltcommanderdata - Sunday, November 09, 2008 - linkI wasn't aware that I was complaining about single-threaded performance in my previous posts.
And another important thing that Sandy Bridge is bringing is AVX. SIMD doesn't benefit all programs, but it does increase performance of optimized applications regardless of whether they are single-threaded or multi-threaded. Reply
SiXiam - Saturday, November 08, 2008 - link"The Q9450 can operate at voltages down to 0.85V and as high as 1.3625V, while the Core i7-920 currently appears to be limited to a minimum of around 1.137V."
- I just wanted to let everyone know that benchmarkreviews.com got the i7 920 at stock speeds with 1.125volts.
2.66 GHz @ 1.125v 133mhz x20
Denithor - Friday, November 07, 2008 - linkGreat article. Very impressive results here, congrats to the i7 design team. Of course, we all said the same thing when C2D was launched, with a much bigger differential in performance/watt versus the "Netbust" architecture.
Have you guys tried F@H SMP client on these i7 chips yet? I'm curious how they stack up against the Q9xx0 series in raw performance. Do the multithreading improvements help put CPU folding any closer to GPU folding or will GPU continue to reign supreme?
Does Intel intend to launch dual-core versions of these processors or will this generation be quad only?
Finally, for myself, I have an e8400 and an e3110 which are more than adequate for my current needs. I doubt I will even bother with one of these new setups, I'll just wait until Westmere and the 32nm improvements (higher clocks, lower power, heat and probably price). Reply
Strid - Friday, November 07, 2008 - linkYeah, I agree. While the offer a solid quad-core performance, and possibly also with a decent energy efficiency, they're not much use for a guy like me who doesn't use much of that multi-core jazz.
They might not chew up more watts than QX9770, but QX9770 still is a lot more hungry than even the currently quickest 45 nm dual core (E8600). Any news as to a dual-core'd version of Nehalem yet? I'll stick to my Xeon E3110 until then. Reply
tynopik - Friday, November 07, 2008 - link> (I will be working on a Hyper Threading/multi-tasking set of tests next).
looking forward to it!
(and then the VM tests ;) Reply
cpugeek - Friday, November 07, 2008 - linkI think anandtech fail to mention about QPI vs FSB. QPI is super power hungry and offset a lot of power reduction done by Intel. Thats why Lynfield/clarkfield will be much better power efficient since they didn't use QPI physical layer to talk with chipset/tylesburg. Reply
npp - Friday, November 07, 2008 - link"Intel has done nothing to limit overclocking with the Core i7" :)
There was such a huge anti-campaign going on everywhere towards Core i7 overclocking that it seems almost funny to hear that now. I just couldn't imagine how on earth Intel would ditch one of the sweetest things in the geek world just for fun... They weren't so stupid, fortunately.
I would be very interested in some idle/full load temps, particulary for the junior model, at stock speeds and overclocked to some reasonable 24/7 level. It's interesting to see how much they differ from temps we're used to see right now with the good old Core 2 Duos/Quads. Reply
Mclendo06 - Friday, November 07, 2008 - linkDoes anyone know what the contact pads on the top edges of the processor are for? I've wondered this for a while but a quick google search only yielded questions. Also, Anand, thanks for the great coverage. Reply
Clauzii - Saturday, November 08, 2008 - linkGood question. Probably used for final testing/burn in. Reply


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Thanks for the answer Pullo,
I didn't really make myself too clear, if its OK, I'll re-post again tomorrow at work and include the code with some sceenshots to support.
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Yup, no problem.Some code and/or a screen shot would really help.I'm sure it won't be too hard to sort out
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Using button is one solution. but you can insert the button as image or make it the image like background, use spirit background can help you.
Hello everyone, just reporting back to say I've found the solution to my problem! I just placed a HTML button and styled/positioned it using CSS with a hover attribute,
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I would like to design a database with folders and sub-folders and all access rights given to admin and only certain folders are accessible to certain users.
I have a folder table with a id and parentId and name of folder. ParentId point to the ID of the parent subfolder.
I also have a user table with admin and normal users with IDs.
I have a user_to_folder table to allow multiple to multiple relationship.
Question is how should I allow admin for all folders but restrict certain users to certain folders. Do I keep a list of userIDs who are allowed to certain folders or should I keep a list who are not allowed.
My SQL would be:
SELECT * FROM folderTableLEFT JOIN user_to_folder ON user.id = user_to_folder.fkuerIdWHERE parentID = 1 OR user.right = 'admin' and (isnull(user_to_folder.fkUserId)) or user.id = 45
But I am getting folders which are not supposed to be accessible to user 45.
Is my design correct?
Your comments please. Thanks
My apologies for not explaining correctly.
I would like to design a database for a folder tree.
I store the folder information in a database table. The table looks something like this:
folder table:
id, folderName, parentFolderId1, rootFolder, 02, folderA, 13, folderB, 14, folderC, 3
I have another table called user table.
User table:
id, username, rights1, John, admin2, Mary, normal_user3, Peter, normal_user
I have a third table called user_to_folder table which provides many-to-many relationship between the user table and the folder table. It gives the access rights to each sub-folders.
user_to_folder table:
fkFolderId, fkUserId1, 21, 32, 33, 2,4, 2
In this way, Mary has the access rights to folders rootFolder and folderB and folderC. She has no access rights to folderA. Peter has the access rights to rootFolder and folderA. He has no access rights to folderB and folderC.
Condition: The admin, John have access rights to all folders.
What would my SQL statement be?
SELECT * FROM folder INNER JOIN user_to_folder ON folder.id = fkFolderIdINNER JOIN user ON user.id = fkFolderId WHERE user.id = 2 OR user.rights = adminAND folder.parentId = 1
Please help. Thanks.
what exactly are you trying to return with the query? all folders for a given user?
Folders that are allowed to be given access to the user as specified by user_to_folder table.
for all users? or for a specific user?
Specific user. But the administrator will have access to all folders. Thanks
SELECT folder.folderName
FROM user
JOIN user_to_folder
ON user_to_folder.fkUserId = user.id
JOIN folder
ON folder.id = user_to_folder.fkFolderId
WHERE user.id = 2
SELECT folder.folderName
FROM user
JOIN folder
WHERE user.id = 2
AND user.rights = 'admin'
Hi. Thanks for your answer. But when I put in order by folder.name, it says "unknown folder.name in order clause".
that's because your folder table doesn't actually have a column called "name"
please check post #2 for the actual column name
I have renamed it "ORDER BY folder.folderName ASC" but it is still the same error message.
does the query run without the ORDER BY clause?
Additional, is there a way specify to return records that correspond to parentFolderId = 1?
I put "WHERE user.rights = 'admin' AND folder.parentFolderId = 1", it says "unknow column parentFolderId in where clause".
please show the exact query that you ran that worked
as for the parentFolderId=1 restriction, which of the two SELECTs should get it?
SELECT folder.folderNameFROM userINNER JOIN user_to_folderON user_to_folder.fkUserId = user.idINNER JOIN folderON folder.id = user_to_folder.fkFolderIdWHERE user.id = 3 AND parentFolderId = 1UNIONSELECT folder.folderNameFROM userCROSS JOIN folderWHERE user.id = 3AND user.rights = 'admin' AND parentFolderId = 1
I need to have ORDER BY clause. Please help. Thanks.
SELECT folder.folderName
FROM user
JOIN user_to_folder
ON user_to_folder.fkUserId = user.id
JOIN folder
ON folder.id = user_to_folder.fkFolderId
WHERE user.id = 3
AND folder.parentFolderId = 1
SELECT folder.folderName
FROM user
JOIN folder
WHERE user.id = 3
AND user.rights = 'admin'
AND folder.parentFolderId = 1
BY folderName[/B]
in a UNION query, you cannot use a table prefix on the column name in the ORDER BY clause
Thanks for your script.
Can you explain it?
I understand the first select statement is for normal users. Second SELECT is for users with admin rights.
Why do you use cross join for the second SELECT?Can I use CROSS JOIN in combination with an INNER JOIN if my user.rights is used in combination with other tables?
because i assumed that for admins, there was no need to register all their folders in the many-to-many table (there would be an entry for every folder, right?)
so the CROSS JOIN simply matches the specified admin with all folders that meet the parent=1 criterion
i'm not sure, i'd have to see the exact scenario
For example, select folder.folderName from user cross join folder inner join rightsTable on user.rightsid = rightsTable.id
RightsTable will have id, roles :1, admin. id, roles :2 , normal user
Instead of putting the user rights in the user table.
Is that possible? Thanks
yeah, but now you have to load up the rights table with all folders for each admin