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GeForce Go 6800 Ultra: Powering the Dell Inspirion XPS Gen 2by Derek Wilson on 2/24/2005 3:04 PM EST
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jays83gsl - Tuesday, March 07, 2006 - linkI'm the owner of this laptop (thanks to Dell's Holiday contest :D ) and can definately attest to the speed of this laptop.
There were a couple people asking about battery life, though. In this, the Dell seems to fail.
Now, I've never owned a laptop before, so I can't really compare, but the battery is VERY quick to run out. Even just running windows media and surfing the web wirelessly, it sucks through the battery in less than two hours (down to 5%). Without wireless enabled, it lasts about an hour more (give or take).
It plays all the games I have (NFS U2, GTA SA, couple others) at GREAT framerates, with all the goodies turned on, resolution turned WAY up (19something x something).
The big hit, though, as seen in the tests, comes with anti aliasing. The games become almost unplayable with AA on at higher resolutions, and a bit dissapointing at lower resolutions (still playable, though).
The other thing I saw questioned was the heat. During intense, long term gaming (NFS U2 being the test dog here), the lower area (keyboard, mouse pad, wrist resting areas) are damn near cold. Room temp at worst.
Up near the screen, things get REAL hot, as well as around the GPU and processor fans. It seems the keyboard vents are almost useless at drawing out heat, as I can hardly ever feel air coming out of them.
If you guys want anymore information on the laptop, I'll have it for a while. I also have a much weaker desktop that I can compare to if need be, though it only has an Nvidia GeForce FX 5200 (horrible card by todays standards).
Jay Reply
firemachine69 - Monday, February 28, 2005 - linkWhoa... But yes, there's so many variables, it's nothing more really then saying "this laptop is fast".
Now what bothers me is those heat numbers... There's just noooo way Nvidia got it so low... Think about it... It's like what? 120W+ for a desktop 6800 Ultra? They'd have to lower the fab, or gotten really lucky with a batch... Me thinks Nvidia used some type of reference formula, such as "for every "xx" hours of gaming, "xx" hours will be in low power mode.
Now we only need batteries to catch up. :D Reply
coldpower27 - Saturday, February 26, 2005 - linkWould there be a need for a third version of the Geforce 6800 GO Series?
I mean, that would make them have 3 different models all with the same Quad/VS Configuration of NV41M's 12x1/6 style.
This generation it seems like Nvidia wants to maintain a maximum of 2 models per configuration style. Reply
Anemone - Saturday, February 26, 2005 - linkThe Pent M doesn't have much of a heat problem, nor as much of a performance delta compared to the AMD solutions in the mobile arena. I think Dell going with that chip instead of the P4 was a good idea.
Interesting read:
BOLt - Saturday, February 26, 2005 - linkMaybe NVIDIA will finally gain some ground in the notebook sector... Hopefully we'll see AMD in the DTR field soon, because these big-time manufacturers like Dell are having heat problems, and voila, AMD runs cooler, faster, better.
On with the revolution! Reply
DestruyaUR - Saturday, February 26, 2005 - linkAlso, why the hell didn't they simultaneously launch a GT version for those who can live with 10-15 less FPS and less cost? Reply
DestruyaUR - Saturday, February 26, 2005 - linkAs for the people saying that battery life will be impacted during DVD watching because of the PureVideo - I submit the following: software decoding - beggars can't be choosers at 35,000 feet. Reply
Anemone - Saturday, February 26, 2005 - linkNow when they put Yonah into this machine, it'll be time to own one :) Thanks much was great to see the review. I for one am about ready for a DTR notebook pc - and so this was a good article to see. Right direction for Nvidia too.
Side note: Quite a few articles show the P-M coming out quite well in gaming as you ramp the clockspeed up. Might be nice to see one of these machines with 1-2gb of good low latency DDR2 but hard to say if that would change things much.
Yonah, with SSE improvements and a clockspeed boost should be the machine to get. 6800 GO ultra is quite the beast and the right kinds of improvements. Now if they drop that to 65nm and bring a bit more speed and lower power useage and it will be a monster :)
Howard - Saturday, February 26, 2005 - linkInspirion, eh? Reply
trikster2 - Friday, February 25, 2005 - link34/35/36 I think this may have been already posted but here you go again:
If toms can be believed, the 6800 ultra is two to three times faster than your antique model-T 9800.... Reply
abakshi - Friday, February 25, 2005 - linkA comparison is not quite possible given all the variables involved, so though the Go 6800U may be fast, we can't really say much about it versus ATI's current X800 mobile offerings until there's a test with identical specs -- the best case being a modular setup to accept either option. Reply
sleepeeg3 - Friday, February 25, 2005 - linkRegardless of specs, that thing would still cost nearly twice as much as my top of the line SFF and you'd sacrifice on hard drive space/speeds. There's just no point to a gaming laptop *shrug*. At least those specs are finally starting getting me to look at them! Now if only the price would come down about a grand... Reply
timmiser - Friday, February 25, 2005 - linkExactly #35. I know the Ultra will be faster but I'd like to see exactly how much faster in a graph in order to make a decision if I think I should go out and buy a new DTR. Reply
Optimummind - Friday, February 25, 2005 - linktimmiser, I think you need to see graphs and numbers to know that this Geforce Go 6800 Ultra will totally put the 9800 Pro Mobility on its knees. :) Reply
timmiser - Friday, February 25, 2005 - linkI have to agree with #22, I am an owner of a Dell XPS system with mobiliy 9800. Until now, the 9800 (Really X800 based) is the fastest available mobile solution and it would have been nice to see some comparisons with the 9800. (Didn't AT do some benches on the 9800??)
I still have no idea how my system compares with this new graphic option.
mickyb - Friday, February 25, 2005 - link#30 There are not too many variables to say it is fast. This test shows that it IS fast, especially for a DTR laptop.
I think what you are trying to express is that there is not enough information to determine it is the fastest. It does not matter if the new drivers make the other cards go faster. Reply
ElFenix - Friday, February 25, 2005 - link#26
what part of "Creative Audigy 2NX External USB [add $100 or $3/month1] Product details" do you not understand?
or maybe you could go here:
and see that yes, this really is an external unit. Reply
L3p3rM355i4h - Friday, February 25, 2005 - link#26, if you've seen the review that anandtech did on desktop use of the dothan core, you would know that it is actually pretty weak when it comes to gaming. It still uses the exectution core of the PIII, etc. Pairing it with DDR2 seems to break the bandwidth issue.
Packing that much performance in to a >10lbs package is simply amazing. That machine pwns my A64. when I win the lottery I just might have to pick one up... Reply
Da DvD - Friday, February 25, 2005 - linkI'm sorry to say, but IMO this test is simply invalid. There are too many variables to draw any conclusion but that this thing is quite fast.
I guess the newer nVidia drivers support the new render mode in Far Cry patch 1.3 much better than the old drivers did. That would explain the Go being faster here. Reply
Hikari - Friday, February 25, 2005 - link#28 256MB video card.
And lowest base memory for the notebook itself is 512.
sbuckler - Friday, February 25, 2005 - linkHow much memory has it got - from the drop off at high res I suspect 128mb, it might have been nice to mention that in the article.
#16 - you can get a audigy 2 card for laptops now. Reply
whooosh - Friday, February 25, 2005 - linkhow about comparing to other Geforce GO chipsets? Reply
ZoZo - Friday, February 25, 2005 - linkWhy does does this review leave the impression that the Pentium M 2.13Ghz is weak?
From benchmarks I've seen here and there, it's actually out there with the top lot in performance, sometimes beating the most powerful Pentium 4 EE! Reply
mickyb - Friday, February 25, 2005 - linkFirst off...you could have put the previous M28 benchies with this article from November along with the original GeForce 6800 Go. Looks like this new nVidia card might be competitive. If I were nVidia, I would have been worried after the November article. Second, I would like to see the Star Wars and BattleField: Vietnam benchies. It looks to be the one that shows ATI dominating.
This will look messed up with prop fonts.
Game ATI M28 6800Go 6800GoUltra
Doom3 47.6 51.4 83.2
Halo 52.9 46.8 55.6
Wolf 74.1 76.5 N/A
FarCry 87.4 65.3 88.5
Sims2 41 39 N/A
Battle:Viet 152 127 N/A
StarWars 63 33 N/A
DerekWilson - Thursday, February 24, 2005 - linkdeathwalker --
We haven't had any comparable gaming laptops in our labs.
Also, the review is of the GeForce Go 6800 Ultra, not of the Dell Inspirion XPS Gen 2.
I'm sure the notebook was using the higher speed HD, but that generally doesn't make a difference in the gaming experience except in load times.
The Pentium M should be more resilient to DDR2 than the P4. The low latency cache is what counts. Reply
deathwalker - Thursday, February 24, 2005 - linkOh ya..if forgot to mention in my previous post..Tom's Hardware has just posted a reiview on this system also...they did it right. Compared it to other high end gaming laptops. Reply
deathwalker - Thursday, February 24, 2005 - linkDissapointing review...if i want a Gaming Laptop I want a review to compare it to other Gaming Latop's. Comparing it to desktops sure doesnt answer any questions of mine!! I think you missed the boat. Reply
bobsmith1492 - Thursday, February 24, 2005 - linkWow, that's an amazing sounding machine; pics???
Since when did they make DDR2 for the P-M? I would think its high latency would rather offset the M's best strength - low latency; although, it does retain its cache I suppose.
So is the mobile 6800 ultra a 12 or 16 pipe card? By the looks of it it must be 16, or else that extra 50MHz is doing a lot of work. Reply
kmmatney - Thursday, February 24, 2005 - linkTom's Hardware showed the system running Forceware 75.80. You can get 75.90 from here:
I can't find 75.80 anywhere... Reply
kmmatney - Thursday, February 24, 2005 - link#18, I doubt they much choice - they had to use whatever drivers came with the laptop 9and those would obviously be optimized for the new moobile GPU). It would be interesting to see if the drivers help out desktop cpu's, though. Reply
dougSF30 - Thursday, February 24, 2005 - linkDifferent nVidia drivers? That's kinda bad, methodology-wise. Reply
JustAnAverageGuy - Thursday, February 24, 2005 - linkIt's too bad we don't get to see pictures of the laptop :)
Even if it was a video card review. Reply
ElFenix - Thursday, February 24, 2005 - link#5
the audigy is an external USB unit Reply
bob661 - Thursday, February 24, 2005 - link#5
The CPU offered in this laptop is a Pentium M. Reply
SLIM - Thursday, February 24, 2005 - linkI could be wrong, but I'd bet the picture would look a little different if all the cards were using the same drivers. The difference between 69.xx and 75.xx drivers for recent dx9 games could be significant. Reply
Cygni - Thursday, February 24, 2005 - linkIts a shame Dell didnt give more time with the system, it would have been really interesting to probe the Alviso platform in all of its glory and compare against current systems... especially in the arena of the DDR2. Reply
bamacre - Thursday, February 24, 2005 - link#10, not sure about the cpu, but the Dell XPS notebook does offer a 7200rpm hdd, I'd bet it was used in the test. Reply
segagenesis - Thursday, February 24, 2005 - linkIf the max output is 65W assuming you have the laptop loaded 100% the entire time the standard battery (what is it? 70W/h?) would barely last an hour. Just... ok... I imagine you can get beffier batteries or use a second one. Reply
sri2000 - Thursday, February 24, 2005 - linkReferring to a couple of differences in the test machine specs:
Intel Pentium M 2.13GHz
AMD Athlon 64 4000+
How much of a boost are we seeing from the use of DDR2533 RAM and from the highest clocked Pentium M to date?
The PCMag review shows it with a 4200 RPM drive - the typical speed for most notebooks, but that should be slowing things down, in this test right?
This review doesn't say if the test unit had an optional 7200RPM HD Reply
defter - Thursday, February 24, 2005 - link"NVIDIA informed us that the TDP for the chassis is 65W."
If we assume that Pentium M takes about 25W, this would leave 40W for system memory, chipset, hard drive, GPU and graphic memory. Wow, nVidia managed to pull miracle here. Gone are the days of 100W power consumption for high end Geforce 6800 cards. Reply
Regs - Thursday, February 24, 2005 - linkIf im not mistaken, the only difference between the GT and Ultra are their clock speeds #7. These benchmarks are baffling. I'm having a hard time believing them. How on earth did they pull it out?
Is this a prelude to what's to in the next generation of desk top cards? I'm think, if they can make a mobile card this fast, they should surely make a faster desk top counterpart with less heat, space, and power restraints. Reply
Mingon - Thursday, February 24, 2005 - linkOdd how a 12pipe / 5 vs @ 450mhz can out pace a desktop 16pipe 6vs @425. What optimisations have been done? I can understand it beating a 6800gt due to greater vertex/pixel shading power (450 x 5 vs 350 x 6) but it shouldnt beat an ultra.
Is the nv41m on 0.13 or 0.11um ? the die seems quite large any idea on transistor count? Reply
pxc - Thursday, February 24, 2005 - linkhttp://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1769520,00.as... batterymark 2 hours 13 minutes with the P-M 2.13GHz, WiFi, 1GB and 80GB hard drive.
The base price of the computer is $2249 with:
P-M 760 (2GHz)
512MB DDR2 dual channel
17" WUXGA (1920x1200)
256MB go 6800 Ultra
combo CD-RW/DVD-ROM
9 Cell battery (80WHr)
It's about the cheapest go 6800 laptop, but it includes the fastest version.
total.ownage Reply
bamacre - Thursday, February 24, 2005 - linkYou can configure one now. $2745 for a well equiped system. Intenal Audigy, 6800 Go Ultra, 2.0Ghz P4 "760," cdrw/dvd drive, 1GB ddr2. Not bad for what it can do. Reply
Icehawk - Thursday, February 24, 2005 - linkAmazing, just a few years ago the idea of gaming on a laptop was laughable. Now you can get a DTR that can pretty much keep up with the latest desktops - wow!
Not just battery life... but cost. This has got to be a $3k+ machine :(
seanp789 - Thursday, February 24, 2005 - linkFor a laptop to come even come to close to desktop performance is simply amazing. so be on par with? Wow, just wow.
they manage to do all this with a laptop battery and cooling?
I would really like to see that go card translate into a desktop part. It would make running SLI a little easier. Reply
DerekWilson - Thursday, February 24, 2005 - linkWe would too :-/
We just didn't have time to perform any battery life or power tests as we had to spend all the time we had with the system benchmarking games. Reply
dvinnen - Thursday, February 24, 2005 - linkI would love to see the battery life for this thing. Reply


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ASUS G74SX: Noteworthy Updates to ASUS' G7 Seriesby Jarred Walton on 10/6/2011 12:00 AM EST
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scottjames_12 - Thursday, October 06, 2011 - linkI'd be interested to know what you think of the MSI GT780DXR? Reply
JarredWalton - Thursday, October 06, 2011 - linkI'm trying to get one, so stay tuned. It looks better than the GT680R (GT683DXR), so maybe it will impress. We'll see if they send one (after the GeForce LAN party, where Ryan will see them). Reply
JojoKracko - Thursday, October 06, 2011 - linkNo kidding. This is what I was expecting when I read Asus was updating the G74. It should have received a Matte Screen and the GTX570M.
And if they were going to tweak the keyboard again, they should have fixed their cursor key positioning error. Move the cursor keys left and give the larger num pad zero key back. Nobody needs a triple or quad wide shift key on the keyboard, but anyone who used the number pad uses their thumb for the zero key - oops, can't do that any more cuz we like to fcuk stuff up! Reply
JojoKracko - Saturday, October 15, 2011 - linkIndeed. Better GPU, better CPU in some options. Definitely better screen - because it is an anti-reflective MATTE FINISH.
Oh, and don't make excuses for IPS panels not being put in $1500+ laptops. Shame the manufacturers for not doing so instead. Reply
jigglywiggly - Thursday, October 06, 2011 - linkToo big for weak specs you can get in a np8130 15in. Reply
Dustin Sklavos - Thursday, October 06, 2011 - linkAnd all you have to do is sacrifice a drive bay and a usable keyboard!
Thanks, I'll stick with the G74 or Alienware M17x. ;) Reply
JarredWalton - Thursday, October 06, 2011 - linkDon't forget that maximum noise on this was just 37dB; the 15.6" Clevo laptops with similar specs can hit 45dB under full load! Reply
bennyg - Thursday, October 06, 2011 - linkI don't think anyone forking $1.5-2k on a gaming lappy is going to be listening to the onboard speakers, and any good pair of headphones either cancels or drowns out outside noise.
Personally the noise doesn't bother me, I'd rather noisy, than toasty-and-dead-in-2-years.
Though, thankyou Asus and everyone else bar Toshiba (but theirs has a horrible LCD) for making my decision that bit easier for not including Optimus. I had no probs opting for a P150HM with 580M. Would have been a 6990M but for ATI's crappy driver GUI and functionality... as much as I thoroughly dislike Nvidia for their renaming antics they do have the better package.
The keyboard is a pain, but I'm really noticing just how great the backlit keyboard of my G51J was. That had a squished numpad as well and I grew to be fine with that. As you would when you spend FAR too long in front of the thing (workstation by day, plaything by night) Reply
Iketh - Thursday, October 06, 2011 - linkWhen I'm working on my laptop, I'm usually not wearing headphones. I bet I'm not alone in this department. And yes, I put a load on mine when I work, not just when gaming.
Also, you're implying the Clevo moves more air with that noise. I'm betting the Asus moves considerably more air than the Clevo, and it's hard to think otherwise if you've even taken a peek at Asus' cooling in their G series. Reply
Wolfpup - Friday, October 07, 2011 - linkYeah, at home I never use headphones, and I want the system as quiet as possible regardless of what I'm doing. 37 versus 45db is a pretty big gap.
I'm tired of the "just crank it up!" argument for things that are too loud.
That's the same ridiculous thing I heard from people back before you could install games to the Xbox's hard drive, and that optical drive was so loud you couldn't think. "Just crank it up!" is not an actual solution to that problem. Reply
plonkplink - Thursday, October 06, 2011 - linkI'll just skip this review since:
1. it has a squinty letterbox screen (16:9).
2. it's an octodecillion times uglier than the saxxy Toshiba Qosmio.
3. Just as someone said: "beep blueray;that is all.". :) Reply
Dustin Sklavos - Thursday, October 06, 2011 - link2 and 3 are reasonable enough...
1, though. Yeah...good luck with that. The industry made the shift. None of us are happy about it, but we can either sit in the corner and sulk about the lost 120 pixels of vertical real estate or be happy that mobile graphics are fast enough to drive the rest of it. Reply
JojoKracko - Thursday, October 06, 2011 - linkI have to agree with 1. By going to a 17 inch laptop, you've already decided to accept a larger size / heavier / more expensive laptop so that negates all of the manufacturer's flimsy excuses for using a 16x9 display over a 16x10 version. Total BS IMHO how the industry got away with screwing everyone with this aspect ratio change. 16x10 is better for every single use on your computer - except one - watching movies. And really, how many of you would prefer to watch a movie on your laptop instead of on your widescreen TV?
2. I personally prefer the G74. Call me crazy. Better textures.
3. As I would watch movies on my TV, I agree. Beep Blueray!
I'd add 4. Beep more than 8 GB of ram on laptops and more than 1.5 GB on the video cards in general. Useless, wasteful marketing gimmicks. Lower the price by the same amount instead. It is already crazy how fast a 2 grand laptop loses its value.
5. Matte AR Screen for fricks sake ASUS!!!!!
6. MATTE SCREEN - it is worth repeating until they realize they could take ALL of MSI's business with this one change. Reply
seapeople - Friday, October 07, 2011 - linkStop saying this.
1920x1200 is better than 1920x1080 because it has more pixels, not because of the aspect ratio.
I actually prefer more screen width than height... I always run into problems with width when I'm trying to look at multiple applications on the screen at once rather than height.
If you're really going to argue that it's the aspect ratio, then tell me what you would like better: 1600x900 or 1440x900? Reply
erple2 - Sunday, October 09, 2011 - linkUntil applications become more horizontally focused, the more vertical pixels become important.
It's not that I prefer 1440x900 over 1600x900, it's for a given number of horizontal pixels, I'd MUCH rather have more vertical pixels - so I'd prefer 1600x1000 over 1600x900 every time.
As long as the menubars, tabs, close buttons etc are all aligned vertically, I'll still say that I want more vertical pixels for a given horizontal pixel count.
I wouldn't mind having a 2133x1200 res screen (16x9 with 1200 vertical pixels), but nobody makes them.
Even on my 1080p laptop, I feel as though it's vertically cramped. Then again, I'm used to using 1920x1200 screens on my desktop for work and play. Reply
Wolfpup - Friday, October 07, 2011 - link16:9 is today's normal aspect ratio, and it's not "squinty", the resolution and screen size work pretty well for a notebook.
"Ugly" is subjective, but I like the G74's utilitarianness. I find Toshiba and Dell's systems much uglier, though that's bottom on my list for why I buy a system regardless.
And I have no idea what "beep blueray" means. At first I thought you thought this didn't have it, which it does. Now I'm thinking you DON'T want it for some unknown reason...well, you don't have to use it, or can buy a cheaper G74 model without it. Reply
JojoKracko - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linkBeep Bluray just means that it is unnecessary for most of us. Especially the versions with the bluray burner. Realistically, how many buyers of the G74 do so because it has a bluray burner? Half of 1 percent? If that? It is a useless marketing gimmick. Just like moving from 8-16 GB of ram (again, might help 1/2 of 1% of us), or 3GB of video card ram vs 1.5 GB. Even the GTX570M is slower than an old desktop 460GTX and that card can't max out it's 1GB of ram. 3GB is a joke, and 30 bucks that should have been spent on something useful - like a taller screen, better cooling, a bump to the next level of cpu, a bump to the GTX570M, etc. Same goes for the extra $40 for bluray player, or extra $100 for bluray burner. Marketing BS. Doesn't help the majority of you. Demand to be able to pay for what you need.
Comment here or even better, write letters to Asus.
Oh, best use of the extra cash? MATTE F'ing SCREENS!!! This reflective crap should have been banned a decade ago. Reply
piroroadkill - Thursday, October 06, 2011 - link16GB RAM is useless for the vast majority of people.
Give me an IPS 1920x1200 screen and 8GB RAM instead, and it would be almost perfect. Reply
piroroadkill - Thursday, October 06, 2011 - linkPerfect.. spec wise, I mean. Reply
JojoKracko - Thursday, October 06, 2011 - linkTrue Dat! 1900 x 1200 IPS panel. Extra $75. Well worth the expense. Heck, double or triple it and I'd still pay it for these two features.
MATTE SCREEN also. They did it with their top of the line 3D version and it was far superior to the glossy crap screen you get with this 'update' version - IMHO. Reply
seapeople - Friday, October 07, 2011 - linkDon't say things like that, because soon we'll be hearing from the "I have 32GB of RAM and it's not enough for my super duper special application load" crowd. Reply
JojoKracko - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linkHe is saying 8GB because the 16GB is useless for the rest of the computer's specs. It is just a waste. Cheap marketing poop. Reply
DanNeely - Thursday, October 06, 2011 - linkThe table at the start of the review indicates a HannStar panel, the LCD page says it's a Chimei Innolux. Reply
Joehettinger - Thursday, October 06, 2011 - linkI have a G73, and slapped a WD 128 GB SSD in it, the only problem I had was the lack of brackets and the weak chip-set limited me to 150 Mb transfers from the drive. It's good to see that they upgraded the chip-set so that the SSD can run at full speed.
Also, the little rubber foot pads came off the first week or two. Anyone else have that problem? Did ASUS come up with a better way to mount the foot pads.
I'm also voting for the 16:10, I would love to have more vertical space.
And finally, A USB 3.0 port ... Outstanding! Reply
andrewcooke - Thursday, October 06, 2011 - linkis there any site that provides a simple overview of the different asus models and their specs? the asus site is a real mess and doesn't explain anything unless you look in detail at each model. thanks. Reply
Wolfpup - Friday, October 07, 2011 - linkNot that I know of, but there's not that much variation. Basically the biggest change is the Best Buy model "only" has a 128-bit memory interface for the video RAM rather than the 192-bit interface on the other models (but it's also cheapest).
Besides that you've got some variation in whether there's 1 or 2 drives (and thus a second drive bracket and cable), Blu Ray, and apperently this A2 model "only" has 1.5GB video RAM instead of 3GB like on most. (The ones with 2GB you know have a 128-bit memory interface because 192-bit ends up needing either 1.5 or 3GB to do that.)
Obviously Blu Ray is a must have, and I wanted the kit for the second hard drive, so the A1 model worked well for me, though frankly even the Best Buy model's a good deal, relative to a lot of other systems. Reply
andrewcooke - Sunday, October 09, 2011 - linkhey, thanks for the reply, but i didn't mean just for this model, but for all asus laptops. i live outside the usa so need to select from info on the net (and then quickly buy something when i travel there). cheers. Reply
JojoKracko - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linkSearch for G74 pdf
I came across a pdf once that listed all of the specs for the many, many world wide variations of G74s. I think it was some Montreal computer shop, but it was in English. Reply
Death666Angel - Thursday, October 06, 2011 - linkIf I were in the market for such a notebook (read: desktop replacement with gaming capabilities), this would probably be it. Nicely balanced components, good looks, priced adequately. Reply
Paedric - Thursday, October 06, 2011 - linkI'm the owner of an original g73jh with an amd 5870, and there are several long term issue with.
First, amd drivers cause screens of death, asus recommend the stock drivers.
That'd be fine if the latest version wasn't nearly 2 years old.
A common issue is the thermal paste of the gpu.
After some time, it needs to be changed, otherwise the gpu idles at about 80C and get as hot as 110C, before the system shuts down.
I don't know if the g series is still having those issues since it's not the same gpu anymore, but it has kinda ruined an awsome laptop for me. Reply
JarredWalton - Thursday, October 06, 2011 - linkAMD's mobile GPUs tend to hit higher temperatures on the high-end in my experience, so that may be part of the equation. Obviously, we don't get to keep these systems long-term, so unfortunately I can't say how any of these will hold up after six months or a year of use. On the plus side, if you do change your thermal paste out, you can use something better that won't need to be replaced a second time. Reply
Coup27 - Thursday, October 06, 2011 - linkAm I the only one who is confused by the single USB3 port? I am assuming they used a controller such as NEC which supports two ports, so why did they only use 1? Reply
Wolfpup - Friday, October 07, 2011 - linkYeah, no Intel chipsets support USB 3.0 until next year (I guess it's finally coming next year).
Can't remember what chip it uses, but it's worked fine for me (the port is blue, so you can tell the difference).
I'd guess maybe it's harder to wire it up to two ports, or maybe they didn't want to reduce the available ports to only 2 if you're not using Windows 7 (or don't have the drivers installed).
Like the port doesn't work until you get the drivers on there (hopefully Windows 8, or whatever they call 6.2 will just support it out of the box).
I've got a Tripp Lite USB 3.0 hub which seems to work well, and my two external USB 3.0 drives (that I happened to already have) hooked in to that.
I love USB 3.0 so far! I mean 2.0 gets the job done for me, but of course maxes out around 25MB/s-ish, while the same drive under 3.0 seemed to be averaging 95MB/s-ish (and sometimes even higher), which is not something I'll complain about! Reply
hrbngr - Thursday, October 06, 2011 - linkJarred,
I have read you mentioning your RSI issues in several articles. The MS keyboard is a nice option, but you really owe it to yourself to try out a kinesis ergo keyboard:
It has a USB connection and comes w/a foot pedal that is usually programmed to be the shift key, it only needs a separate numeric keypad--the built in one is kind of clunky--if you use that a lot. I'm not sure I could live w/out mine. Individual key wells and a focus on using both thumbs for the shift/alt/control/tab keys vs using your pinky really work--and I didn't take as long to get used to it as I thought I would.
Great laptop review as btw. However I think that I will wait for the next gen chipset as the on-board video seems to be a substantial upgrade, and when used in Optimus mode, would be good for most all work but heavy gaming. Reply
666 - Thursday, October 06, 2011 - linkThose horrendously overpriced weird keyboardlike things are not selling that well, are they? Perhaps it's the color? :) Reply
hrbngr - Friday, October 07, 2011 - link666,
I suppose the white color is a little off-putting, but I did buy the black usb model! :-) They are very overpriced, but there is no other keyboard on the market that come close to it in terms of comfort--especially through the use off the foot pedal for the "shift" key. Reply
Wolfpup - Friday, October 07, 2011 - linkAnd I really like it. I agree with everything in the review except the (continued) obsession with switchable graphics. A big factor in my purchase of the G74 over other models is that it DOESN'T use switchable graphics. No driver weirdness. No reduced performance. If I'm buying something mid range or high end and it's got a GPU, I want to use the GPU. Power gating and whatnot to get power levels down further would be fine, but I'm not compromising on compatibility or performance to get some extra battery life, even if I used the battery, which I never have on a notebook.
I find the G74 very portable too, though the bag they included didn't fit it well, and most don't. Targus' "XL" bag works pretty well, and is pretty decent build quality (if not LL Bean quality).
I've found everything in the review (save for the Optimus stuff...) to be dead on. The performance is great. The keyboard's remarkable for a notebook. (And I love finally having a numberpad!) Physically it SEEMS similar to my Macbook Air keyboard, but the buttons on the Air are much more "mushy" and don't have as much travel as the G74 keyboard does.
The cooling's awesome, the noise level is awesome, just as the review says. The screen's great by notebook standards too-looks great, great viewing angles and contrast, etc.). I normally leave it on minimum brightness (and half the time use a 24" external monitor) but I love having the headroom to crank it up if I need to!
Obviously I'd have loved a GTX 570 or 580, but the 560 is getting it done for me, and probably will for a long time, so...that's fine. Mine (the A1 model) comes with 3GB instead of 1.5GB, though I guess that doesn't affect performance today? Hurray for Windows and good hardware...I was running Modern Warfare 2 on my external screen, while leaving Outlook 2010 running on my internal display, all just working flawlessly!
RAM access seems super easy compared with any other notebook I've seen (there's a bit more space than normal, and of course 4 DIMM slots). My only complaint with access is I wish the cable for the second hard drive had a better mechanism attaching it to the motherboard. If you swap drives as I did, I wouldn't disconnect the cable from the board, just disconnect it from the drive. Otherwise that all went smoothly.
My A1 shipped with two Seagate Momentus 7200/16MB drives, and I stuck a 300GB Intel 320 in as the main drive, which has been a great combo. I stuck Steam stuff on the second drive, as well as all my shows from my Tivo, etc., while most of my programs are on the first drive. (The Seagate Momentus XT is a nice compromise if you don't want to spend a crazy amount on an SSD as the boot drive...honestly to me there feels like a bigger gap between normal drives and the Momentus XT than between the XT and SSDs...so the $550ish I spend on my SSD isn't REALLY worth it, I just wanted to do it!)
Anyway, so far my G74's just been a pleasure to use. Normal Nvidia.com drivers installed with no hacks or weirdness. Nothing's gone wrong. All the hardware's nice, and fast, etc. Reply
aguilpa1 - Friday, October 07, 2011 - linkThis thing is huge and uses the same tired old 560, so sad. I don't see how this is news or can be considered an update. Reply
Siorus - Friday, October 07, 2011 - linkJarred, have they fixed the throttling issue that they've had since the G73 came out yet?
I bought a G73 for work a few months ago, because I needed a mobile CAD workstation RIGHT (bleep)ING YESTERDAY and that was the closest I could get locally. 2630QM or a 2720QM or something, and a GTX460m. While setting it up, I found that if you run furmark and prime95 at the same time, the CPU throttles down to 800MHz and stays there. It's not a heat issue; temperatures stay well under control (60s-70s*C); I did some googling and found people reporting performance problems in games because of it.
So I ran out and bought a G74 since the guy that needed it was going on a trip and he needed a machine the next day (it's great when people don't tell you these things until the last minute). The G74 (same CPU, 560m) has the same exact issue.
I guess some HP laptop had the same problem and HP released a BIOS update to fix it. As far as I know, ASUS has not yet seen fit to actually fix or stop selling a fundamentally broken machine.
I'm frankly disgusted with the whole episode; I've used ASUS boards almost exclusively both at work and at home for years (since the demise of Abit), and unless this is addressed, I, for one, will never buy another ASUS product again. Reply
JarredWalton - Saturday, October 08, 2011 - linkI just spent the last couple of hours trying to replicate the throttling issue, without using Furmark. I have been unable to do so. With Furmark however, running any heavily threaded load at the same time will result in almost immediate throttling of the CPU clock, as you mention.
The problem I have here is that Furmark is a well-known "power virus". Both AMD and NVIDIA have already essentially prevented it from running at maximum load to the point where it will ruin hardware (or at least they have tried). I have not found any other graphics program (without including Furmark derivatives like MSI Kombustor) that will generate a similar load on a GPU. As such, it's difficult for me to ding a laptop for throttling while running what is essentially a load that you cannot replicate without using a synthetic utility.
If you can give me some real-world scenario where throttling results (e.g. running a particular game), I'll be happy to look into it. But it needs to be an actual game (or game + heavily threaded application load). I'll put a note on the power/temp page at least warning of the throttling potential, but until I can replicate it elsewhere I won't lose any sleep over Furmark. Reply
Siorus - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linkUnfortunately it doesn't look like I'm going to have time to play around with either system at work anytime soon, so all I can do is relay the information I found when I was trying to deal with it a few months ago.
GTA4, GRID, Starcraft 2, WoW and Left 4 Dead 2 are all affected, according to this thread on notebookreview: http://forum.notebookreview.com/asus-gaming-notebo...
And I understand your position on Furmark; there's no arguing that it's a "power virus" so to speak. That said, my personal opinion is that the power supply and cooling systems on these graphics cards should be designed with the absolute worst-case scenario in mind. Limiting board power to keep the card from smoking itself is ridiculous; it's taking the cheap way out rather than beefing up the power supply and the heatsink.
At the risk of going off on a rant (I'll try to keep it short), I see it as symptomatic of a cultural shift; it's evident in plenty of other consumer devices. For instance, I've got a Pioneer SX-1980 stereo receiver. Made in 1978. Linear power supply; the transformer is a toroid around the size of a 50 pack of DVDs; the filter caps are the size of beer cans. It weighs almost 100lbs, and it's rated for 275 watts per channel into 8 ohms. That's continuous power, with both channels driven. The most powerful stereo receiver Pioneer ever made. It will happily put out its rated 550w, 24hrs a day, 7 days a week, from now until the caps dry out or whatever. Almost all modern multichannel receivers will not do that; they are often rated with only 1 channel driven, and "continuous" power quite frequently means for a duration of a handful of seconds or less. A lot of people would consider the SX-1980 to be "overbuilt"; it's not-it's just built to do what the box says it will do, which has become something of an alien concept.
But nobody cares because they don't want to spend any money. People would rather pay $200 for a receiver-or a graphics card-than $300 or $400 for one that's built properly. *shrug* Reply
chinedooo - Saturday, October 08, 2011 - linkATI does graphics switching so much better than Nvidia. With my dv6t i have the option of using dynamic switching like optimus which switches automatically based on the application, or fixed switching which i switch manually, and it also switches when the laptop is running off battery. Reply
JarredWalton - Saturday, October 08, 2011 - linkAnd the flickering on manual switching is awesome, plus the regular driver updates from AMD... wait, you don't those, do you? I did a whole article on comparing Optimus and AMD Dynamic Switchable; it's not even a close competition:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4839/ Reply
darklu - Sunday, October 09, 2011 - linkwhere is the excellent gt780r by msi in your test?
the msi is better than g74 because he had an 570m ^^ Reply

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Great job Neil ... Very easy to understand. These kind of jobs are what makes pottery so glamorous! : - )
Thanks! A couple of my students did most of the work extruding and cutting the tiles. The first board we did, the one shown, several of us did the dipping, with inconsistent results. So I did all the dipping myself on our latest board. It is very much worth the time to do this. Any time my students have a question about how a glaze looks I just point to the board. The other great benefit is that they can really see which combinations tend to run more.
Now we just need to do another one with brown clay.....
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Thanks for your input. I love your tile board, Neil!
Love the board, the use of extruded tiles gives more dimensional understanding of the glaze. I did the same sort of board with my students using holes in flat tiles and screwing to the board. I used Ceramics 2 students to do the work-part of their course requirements. They had to do a double dip of 5 glazes with tiles where one dip did not completely cover the first dip. They also had to have some texture on the tile, and a wash over the texture. Test tile boards make all classes easier to teach, and allow the students to really see the glaze on the clay. When you use a glaze everyday, you know what it does, but when you walk into a new shop often you don't know beans about the glazes.
I would also hold discussions of every glaze load in front of the entire class. These would cover successful and unsuccessful glazed pottery. Too thick, too thin, overlapping glazes, one glaze over another, uneven due to poor technique or lack of cleaning, pin holing, and anything else that would show up. After a few sessions students would make much better choices and get more creative in their choices.
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I started with technology in 1984-85 with Apple computers IIe, IIGS. Wrote grant in 89 that was accepted, started teaching with 7 Amigas in 90 with a music teacher. Things were grand for 14 kids, and 2 teachers teaching experimental music and animation on computers. No internet, until 4 years later, we hooked up immediately, we repaired, did the updates, took care of everything a tech would do. Techs did not understand Amigas too simple and organized. As the years passed and we moved into Windows and more internet, we had to become wary of hidden windows, always watching, learning what to watch for. The school started to become proactive to forsee the problems coming. I was on tech committee for years working with others to pinpoint thngs we were seeing in the classroom. That was part of the reason we had the early bans, had locked down intenet, and had some of the best technology in the state. I taught several types and levels of adult classes. Night classes at vo-tech where adults were trying to learn new programs-Photoshop, Corel Draw, Gimp, Ilustrator, and Premiere. I felt like I was sucked brain dead when teaching these classes because they wanted to know everything I knew-I loved it. I had the same experience when working with grad students trying to understand how they could use this new computer in their classroom to help teaching even thought they had not big screen displays etc. I taught them to create using printers to do over heads, lettering etc-seems simple this day, but then it was leading edge. We did an awful lot of work on presentation design and use in the classroom. Then I taught undergrad courses in technology in the classroom on the local college campus. People answering phones in class, texting, working with laptops not related to class. First test, 85% failure rate. Jocks in and out of class because of sporting events, all failed. I had already told them that these things would not be tolerated, and so I cracked down on them. Got in touch with dean about sporting events for support for days of non event make up-got approval. They were basically drones all of them, tryong to whislte their way through classes. In the end 25% had to retake the class, but took it during a day time period. A few years later the college hired an in house teacher with MS in tech ed. I was actually relieved to do no more as driving up the mountain was hastle.
My point for me is that the older, more mature students really were there because they wanted to be either for their work, or for themselves. Photographers were in my night classes because of the rise of digital, they had to compete, and could not learn the programs on their own and still produce product. Others took the Draw courses because their company changed programs, and they had to get a leg up to keep current. Some were there just to learn. All of them worked like crazy, read everything they could on the work, and researched even more. Maybe these new medias have delayed the maturity levels of everyone.
Posted 09 July 2013 - 03:50 PM
Well, technology has definitely delayed, and even caused regression in, the social maturity of everyone. People use these great technological tools we have (Twitter, Facebook, Texting), as a primary form of communication, as opposed to a supplementary form.
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Here's an oxymoron. The Communications Dept. began offering Interpersonal Communication online. Think about it.
Posted 10 July 2013 - 11:26 AM
When I lived in San Antonio, Tx I got one of the first Amigas. They were great, then lack of corp support killed a great computer. I was in the computer biz back then, which was the wild west of startup companies in Austin & S.A.
Even back then I felt a disconnect between computers and the rest of life.
After a few years in the computer biz, I took a pottery class in Austin @ Armadillo Clay, quit my day job became a potter and I believe my life is better for it.
Creativity, I don't think, can exist in the rat race digital envirnment we place ourselves in.
There's no time to breathe and absorb the essence of creation, much less expose young minds full of mush to it, in this digital soup.
It may be hard to accept but creativity seems to be colatteral damage in the digital age.
Technology may have to take a hard fall before we can get imagination & creativity back.
Posted 10 July 2013 - 01:16 PM
Actually, creativity is a hot topic in educational circles. If you can access an educational journal called "Educational Leadership" volume 70 issue 5 February 2013, you can read a host of articles about creativity, how to define it, and how US schools are doing in terms of nurturing it. I accessed it through my college's online library. Happy reading!
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I checked out the preview- sounds fascinating. Thanks!
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When we make something we are creating and therefore we are creative. Is it originality or the individuals take on something that we are talking about? It doesn't make a difference if we are talking about a cup, or a figure or an abstract form, these are only some of the starting points when we set off to make something. We are makers in our discipline. We are are all influenced by what we see and we are all conglomerations of what we are exposed to and what we expose ourselves to. As we appropriate something we have seen and use it as a spring board for what we create we are being creative. Where we take it is relative to whether we are just being redundant of what we are starting with, however we are still being creative even if it be redundant or the objects be reiterations. Again whether you start with the figure or a teapot, you are starting with something that you have some visual and some technical knowledge of, how well does the artists know anatomy and is that important to what they want to express with said figurative piece, and how well does the crafts person know ergonomics and the basic physical applications of how a spout functions and where it should be placed to function or is the teapot more of a vessel for formal dialog or expressing something and not really about the utility of the vessel at all. For instance I have a Brad Schwieger teapot that is certainly not about pouring tea and I have a few Clary illian teapots that certainly are about pouring. The figure is a very old form humans have used to express something and or represent something, the teapot is a fairly new vessel in the history of utilitarian pottery, but it serves a specific purpose of utility and to reinvent the wheel in terms of the objects function is sort of silly. But to use either the figure, a utilitarian vessel, abstract form or representational objects as our modes of expression we should be thinking about what we want to express. I don't believe in talent or creativity as something someone has or doesn't have. These are things that are obtained through practice and research and a constant work ethic. And again we are a conglomeration of visual and technical information and as we appropriate bits and pieces of our knowledge and put them together to make an object we are being creative. Adding more bits to our library of visual and technical knowledge is a great goal and as lifelong learners we can make more and more objects to add to this beautiful and ever growing world.
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Stephen, I think your comments are right on here. I relate even more to this in dealing with the changes I want to make in my approach. I have changed to a darker clay body, and am searching for solutions to glaze depth and brightness while maintaining the rich edges and surfaces of the clay. Research has pointed me in different directions none of which seem to fit my need. So the process of elimination is forcing me to come up with solutions to the problem that are outside of the research. This might be a form of problem solving, or some may look at it as creativity. Whatever it is, the search has led me down different avenues and approaches that before I had ignored thus expanding my "visual and technical knowledge". If we see me returning to the tan clays then we know that my search was unsuccessful, but the knowledge is still with me.
Posted 29 August 2013 - 09:25 AM
I'm a former high school English teacher (12 years), and am now a high school art teacher (my 5th year). Both in writing and art I have found that everyone can create, but not everyone can be creative. Those creative people, if they can harness their ability, are truly rare and can charge premium prices for their services.
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Recognition is often the biggest hurdle here. Getting noticed, getting paid appropriately.
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Now, some kids don't want participate, and I let them sit quietly reading, so they aren't helped by this. Sadly, they are the kids who would usually benefit the most from the experience.
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We used to call it ""getting into the zone, then Betty Edwards came along and it was "working on the right side". I found that many times a calm non judgmental environment, tasks that would bore some parts of the brain whether right or left, and exercises that stressed the use of visualization, music, and movement would help. It didn't hurt to add in some surprises from time to time-drawing in the dark listening to sounds or music with deprivation of sight and the judgement that entails. At other time it would be contour drawing of very complicated objects followed by freehand drawing of an imaginary machine. You have to play a bit to reach another level.
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His answer was amazingly similar to ours ... and is my new signature.
Bottom line was "Just do it".
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