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AMD Catalyst 13.1 WHQL Drivers Availableby Chris Hansen on 1/18/2013 12:30 AM EST
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blanarahul - Friday, January 18, 2013 - linkNow, we are in for some real competition! Reply
blanarahul - Friday, January 18, 2013 - linkWhat is the Hydravision package? Reply
imaheadcase - Friday, January 18, 2013 - linkReal competition for a driver? Are you high right now?
They finally put a 3d settings in drivers for ATI. Welcome to the future../sarcasm Reply
Omoronovo - Friday, January 18, 2013 - linkThe 3d settings were obviously always there.
The difference now is they are split off under a separate page instead of being under the "gaming" heading as before. the article doesn't make this at all clear.
In fact, I'm not even sure this was worth mentioning unless it was miraculously missing from the 12.11 beta driver, as this offers no additional benefit over the "old" catalyst. Reply
Kogies - Friday, January 18, 2013 - linkYeah, but...
http://techreport.com/review/24218/a-driver-update... Reply
Kogies - Friday, January 18, 2013 - linkThe above is for 13.2, I got a little ahead of myself. Reply
RonanH - Friday, January 18, 2013 - linkOhh that's interesting, is that what's causing what I can only describe as "hitching" when framerates are otherwise stable? Reply
Kogies - Friday, January 18, 2013 - linkThere is a little friction on the web for the frame-latency type of testing, but they are doing a good job showing exactly why it is worthwhile.
Frame rates average over a second, which is why they aren't helpful at identifying the "hitches" you mention. Reply
CeriseCogburn - Tuesday, January 22, 2013 - link
The 7950 has been SCREWED UP FOR OVER A YEAR!
It's theeee one the amd fanboys wanted, too - and all bought ROFL...
AMD is a frikkin joke, and their fans must be truly clueless. Reply
Mr Perfect - Friday, January 18, 2013 - linkInteresting read, thanks for sharing. Reply
scottjames_12 - Sunday, January 20, 2013 - link+1 Reply
CeriseCogburn - Tuesday, January 22, 2013 - linkHe's stoned out of his gourd imaheadcase, completely oblivious and in perfect bliss and he has no clue what Hydravision is.
Perfect AMD fanboy base.
So AMD is what five YEARS behind, and still their settings are shy...
Where's the game detection nVidia has ?
Where's only games on this system or all games ?
LOL - so frikkin LUUUUUUUSSSEEERRRRR. Reply
Notmyusualid - Friday, January 18, 2013 - linkSee my comments on todays' progress. Reply
B3an - Friday, January 18, 2013 - linkThese still have the bug with Photoshop on Win 8 where the background flickers when zooming in/out and doing other stuff.
These also wont install the HDMI audio driver for me. It fails. This is an old bug i used to have on Win 7 many months ago, but the last few driver versions haven't had it on either Win 7/8. Now AMD have manged to bring it back. Great.
After upgrading from the previous drivers the 13.1's also completely screwed up after a system restart, so i had to uninstall all AMD drivers, then re-install.
Was hoping that driver quality would finally improve now AMD don't release them so often, but guess not. Reply
Gigaplex - Friday, January 18, 2013 - linkThe HDMI audio driver failed to install for me too. First time I've ever experienced this issue. Reply
CeriseCogburn - Tuesday, January 22, 2013 - link
New driver new broken, its amd, fanboy, get used to it !
You've lived it for years - so anyway, nothing has changed.
ROFL - the crap that amd is - we shouldn't ever let it die, it can remind us what epic failure and epic fanboys are all about. Reply
damianrobertjones - Friday, January 18, 2013 - linkSo....
I tried to Crossfire two 7950 cards and the performance was terrible. Onto the web... A whole load of people with the same issue, so, I changed the motherboard. Same issue. I gave up, sole them, threw in 2x 660 cards and all was well.
Why do I have to edit the registry to stop one card turning off? Why do I have to create profiles? This was the first and last time that I built a performance rig with the gpus based on AMD
Maybe I did something wrong? Who knows. Reply
IanCutress - Friday, January 18, 2013 - linkULPS is designed to reduce power consumption when you are in 2D mode. The card kicks back in when you go into 3D. It's a godsend when I'm testing 4-way and have to manually jack up the fan speed so the 7970s don't get blistering hot during a game test.
Dealing with more than one card in a game engine is tougher than most people realise. You either use both cards to render the same frame (involving splitting the buffer and causing crosstalk), or use the cards to render alternate frames (again causing crosstalk to update memories) which is difficult if one card starts to lag behind. This is usually fixed using clever algorithms in the driver to adapt, but it tends to be done on a driver by driver basis.
A good test is Dirt3 - if it doesn't work there, it doesn't work anywhere. Going from one 7970 to four, I get the following from an older test:
Dirt 3 - One 7970: 73.95 FPS
Dirt 3 - Two 7970: 136.28 FPS (+84.3% of a single card)
Dirt 3 - Three 7970: 195.11 FPS (+79.6% of a single card)
Dirt 3 - Four 7970: 237.40 FPS (+57.2% of a single card)
On the same older drivers, Civilization V performs badly:
Civilization V - One 7970: 78.73 FPS
Civilization V - Two 7970: 83.13 FPS (+5.6% of a single card)
Civilization V - Three 7970: 82.50 FPS (-0.1% of a single card)
Civilization V - Four 7970: 83.00 FPS (+0.1% of a single card)
With the newer drivers, Civ V performs better as it got added. These are the dangers of using a multi card setup - waiting for your game to get a proper multi GPU profile. If the game is AMD or NVIDIA 'enhanced', then it'll probably get the multi-card profile before the other company. Reply
CeriseCogburn - Tuesday, January 22, 2013 - linkYou did nothing wrong, AMD is , was, and will be always *****d.
You experienced the AMD Gamers Manifesto ! ( ROFL HAHAHAHA )
Take a dozen www.Verdetrol.com pills and you'll feel better. Reply
TrantaLocked - Friday, January 18, 2013 - link13.1 WHQL is a 12.11 plus more, certified! Definitely the biggest WHQL for GCN so far. Reply
blackoctagon - Friday, January 18, 2013 - linkI never experienced any 'issues' in Windows 7 (or games) with 12.11 Beta, so this WHQL seems to be the same thing, just with AMD's final stamp of approval.
Far more exciting is the forthcoming 13.2 Beta - an incomplete version of which has already been leaked - which is reported to address frame latency issues in certain games. It's not clear to me whether this Beta will only address frame latency in SINGLE-GPU configurations or whether Crossfire-induced microstutter will also be mitigated
(and no, before you ask, the 'dynamic vSync and frame-limiting tools in the latest preview of RadeonPro do NOT mitigate the problem as much as the reviews claim) Reply
Death666Angel - Friday, January 18, 2013 - link"AMD's final stamp of approval" more like Microsoft's final stamp of approval. Reply
blackoctagon - Friday, January 18, 2013 - linkFair call! Reply
faizoff - Friday, January 18, 2013 - linkAfter updating to 13.1 last night I noticed Adobe After Effects lags a lot on my Win 7 64-bit computer with ZDFC XFX Radeon 6870. I have OpenGL enabled and prior to updating my video drivers I actually had it disabled. I noticed a big performance change for the better when I enabled it specially in RAM previews and Rendering.
Now it seems to be behaving as previous disabled OpenGL state even though it's enabled. Will have to troubleshoot more. Reply
Notmyusualid - Friday, January 18, 2013 - linkWindows:
Installs with errors. (i.e doesn't actually install correctly at all, I read the log).
Now back on 12.11 Beta 11.
Linux 64 bit:
Crashed within 10 mins. Was nice not to have the 12.11 Beta icon in the corner, but I guess I was hoping for too much.
After x windows crashed, there was no recovering, forced me into a reboot.
Re-downloaded each copy and tried again to no avail.
Even deleted & cleaned up before new install.
Tsk tsk. Reply
marc1000 - Friday, January 18, 2013 - linkis the output of 5.1 sound over HDMI enabled in this driver? I remember last year that I only could output 2.0 sound on my old 5770 card. it's time for an upgrade, so it would be great to know if it is finnaly working.
thanks, Reply
Makaveli - Friday, January 18, 2013 - linkHmm how is your computer hooked up to the TV?
Is it HDMI directly into the TV?
or HDMI into a AVR then AVR to TV? Reply
marc1000 - Friday, January 18, 2013 - linki used HDMI to TV, then HDMI-ARC to HomeTheater. but the ATI driver would only see stereo speakers and did not let me select 5.1 output.
then I hooked the mainboard directly to the HomeTheater using an optical cable, the mobo driver would let me select 5.1, and all worked fine.
I just dont want to have to use 2 cables anymore. Reply
Death666Angel - Friday, January 18, 2013 - linkSounds like the graphics card only sees the stereo channels of the TV and not the AVR it eventually ends up in. Why not just plug the PC HDMI into the AVR since the AVR should be connected with the TV anyway? :) Reply
marc1000 - Friday, January 18, 2013 - linkThat's because my AVR is integrated with the bluray player. It only has 1 -archdmi-arc connection. If it had another hdmi input this would be a lot simpler. But the xbox works with 5.1 over arc. There is no reason a pc shouldn't. Reply
Makaveli - Saturday, January 19, 2013 - linkI thought that was the issue and death is correct. I have the same problem with my setup which is also one of those all in one receivers and not a true AVR and only has 1 hdmi in.
You will either have to keep your two cable setup or get an AVR that has multiple HDMI inputs so you can go PC directly to AVR then TV.
I find however even with windows set to stereo I can set audio in XMBC and I do get sound on all channels.
The above solution though is the best choice. Reply
itbj2 - Friday, January 18, 2013 - linkI did not have any problems with Win8-64bit. Actually, PlanetSide 2 at 2560X1440 seems to run much smoother then it did with the 12.11 beta drivers. Reply
CeriseCogburn - Tuesday, January 22, 2013 - linkThat's the screen rez ( when they aren't in 6 monitor mode) and one of the games the two amd catalyst writer employees love to play, so you got lucky they made certain it worked so it didn't cut into their game time.
Well, one down, 257 to go. Reply
tzhu07 - Friday, January 18, 2013 - linkI upgraded, no issues so far. Reply
Makaveli - Saturday, January 19, 2013 - linkI upgraded this driver in windows from inside CCC. Then rebooted to a stop error about a hardware change so I was like wtf. I had to run a windows repair which corrected something on boot that the driver changed!!!!!
Anyways once I got back into windows everything was fine and 13.1 seems stable. I think i'm gonna go back to uninstalling previous drivers then installing new ones. And not just do it over stop which has been working fine forever. Reply
Venom450 - Saturday, January 19, 2013 - linkI downloaded this yesterday and attempted to update twice and both times came out in me have to do a system restore with a proper working display driver. I don't know if anyone else is having this issue but I'm sure it can't just be me. This is the first driver i've had that caused my computer not to properly boot up. Reply
NikosD - Sunday, January 20, 2013 - linkIt's the first time for AMD by releasing Catalyst 13.1, that officially admits they are not capable of providing DXVA Hardware Acceleration for resolutions above 1920 x 1080 for any codec.
The driver limits Hardware Acceleration to 1920 x 1080, although ATI have said on April, 2010 with Catalyst 10.4, that they provide HW acceleration up to 4K resolutions.
They have never managed to provide it actually and now they officially admit they can't.
Loosers! Reply
CeriseCogburn - Tuesday, January 22, 2013 - linkGod Bless you, you are now a free man. Reply
NikosD - Tuesday, January 22, 2013 - linkGod Bless you, too. You have now justify your salary from AMD for good.
Well Done! Reply
atkoj - Sunday, January 20, 2013 - linkInstalling the 13.1 Catalyst fails on my 7850 on Windows 7 64bit and requires a system restore. I tried a clean Windows install - same issue. Looked in the driver package .INF file for Windows 7 64bit - it does NOT contain any info for GCN-based cards! (The files for 32bit, and for 64bit Vista and Win8 are fine)
They've majorly screwed up the release, do not install for GCN-based cards on Windows 7 64bit until they have corrected this and re-released it. This is reported as well in the AMD forums. Reply
CeriseCogburn - Tuesday, January 22, 2013 - linkHoly crap.
That is beyond unbelievable, I didn't even believe AMD could totally screw that one up...
I am ashamed I gave them the benefit of the doubt on "mr captain obvious basics #1".
I believe they have finally surpassed the Chicago Cubs curse. Reply
Venom450 - Sunday, January 20, 2013 - linkI tried installing this twice yesterday once again and it caused the same issue as it did the first day the update came out. It cause my display driver to crash and computer would not boot up. My friend has a 7790 and a more updated computer than mine and same issue came up with his. I just hope amd fixes these bugs in their updates. Reply
CeriseCogburn - Tuesday, January 22, 2013 - linkHope and change is coming...
ROFL - time to pony up the 200 dollar plus "drivers tax" from AMD, you may pay it at any retail outlet at the register or online, at least you get an nVidia video card with it !
:) Reply


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AnandTech Webcast Live 11/13 at 9AM PST/12PM EST from SC12: Ask Your Intel SSD DC S3700 Questions Hereby Anand Lal Shimpi on 11/9/2012 8:02 AM EST
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dave_rosenthal - Friday, November 09, 2012 - link1) Over, say, the next three years, which aspects of SSD performance do you see advancing the most and the least.
2) The realistic way for an application to use NAND today is through an abstraction that makes it look like the flat, contiguous partition of it's rotational disk ancestor. Do you think that as SSDs get faster and applications use them in more sophisticated ways that the efficiency of this abstraction will hold up? Or will there a real need to change the abstraction, for example to include things like atomic multi-block writes. Reply
James5mith - Friday, November 09, 2012 - linkAs much as I love SATA drives, in the business space, SAS makes a huge difference. The fact that it is full-duplex vs. the half-duplex of SATA alone boosts what it can do. Are there any plans for Intel to release a native SAS based solution using this controller or a derivative? Reply
NandFlashGuy - Friday, November 09, 2012 - linkNo, but the same techinology should appear in next-generation SAS drives from Hitachi GST, since Intel has a Joint Development Program on SAS SSDs with Hitachi:
Hitachi's next SAS SSD will also be utilizing the latest 12-Gbit SAS interface, which was demonstrated earlier this year:
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Hitachi-Storage-s... Reply
Kevin G - Friday, November 09, 2012 - linkHave you spotted any of the new Itanium 9500 series chips? The press release is out on Intel's site now. (For the curious: http://newsroom.intel.com/community/intel_newsroom... )
Any chance of bringing one back for some testing? Reply
mckirkus - Friday, November 09, 2012 - link"reviewed it here"
Should link here, assuming Intel has green lighted it this time ;)
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6432/the-intel-ssd-d... Reply
TemjinGold - Friday, November 09, 2012 - linkDo you have any plans to introduce a consumer-level drive with these new technologies? Reply
Shadowmaster625 - Friday, November 09, 2012 - linkIf I open 32 large files and append 32 bytes to the end of each file, and then close the files, how much NAND actually gets written in that process? Is it just 32 bytes x 32 (<1 page)? Or do 32 pages get written? Or does many hundreds or even thousands of pages get written? Do these writes get queued up so that only one page gets written? That's what I think the controller is doing but would be nice to know for sure. Reply
extide - Friday, November 09, 2012 - linkThat depends largely on the application you are using to edit. It may write out all the bytes, or only the changed ones. Reply
stepz - Friday, November 09, 2012 - linkDid they do any specific optimizations for databases? Specifically, how do they handle transaction logs that do large amounts small sequential writes that need to be persistent? Is a battery backed write cache still advisable for such workloads or can the onboard super-capacitors handle it by doing write combining? Reply
DukeN - Friday, November 09, 2012 - linkIs there a concern with using these drives in a RAID-array that is constantly being written to?
Am I correct in assuming since these drives will be in an array most of the time, does the wear-levelling not work like usual? And does this reduce the life expectancy?
Any plans to bring TRIM to RAID arrays/controllers in the future? Reply
mayankleoboy1 - Friday, November 09, 2012 - linkIs there any possible way to increase SSD speeds for low QD usage, typical in consumer SSD'd ? or are SSD's going the way of x86 : best speed ups for paralle loads only? Reply
Jaaap - Friday, November 09, 2012 - linkAccording to Anand,
Big multi-user (or virtualized) enterprise workloads almost always look fully random at a distance, ...
It it possible to enhance VT-d to mitigate this "problem"? Reply
extide - Friday, November 09, 2012 - linkNot really, there is nothing you can do. When you combine the disk IO from several machines all together, it is going to inherently be pretty random, as in reads and writes all over the place. That's just the nature of the beast. Reply
mayankleoboy1 - Friday, November 09, 2012 - linkApart from the SATA3 interface, what is the biggest roadblock to increasing SSD speeds ? Reply
Kevin G - Sunday, November 11, 2012 - linkLooking at some native PCI-E SSD's (Micron P320h in particular) you can see SSD's scale really high under certain work loads. The interface is always going to be a bottleneck with any decent controller and enough channels.
The next logical place to put an SSD controller would be into a SoC which is common place in the embedded area already. I suspect that x86 SoC's for laptops and possibly some desktops will start to incorporate an SSD controller on-die to reduce the number of components on a board as well as low power consumption.\ by a hair.
The thing I'm watching is performance under specific queue depths. Consumer workloads don't reach high queue depths that are required to make top of the line SSD's shine. With the Micron P320h as an example, it didn't hit its stride until QD of 256 was tested. Ultimately what needs to happen in the consumer space for SSD performance to improve is a refinement of storage drivers and better file systems. I strongly suspect that there are some optimizations there that can lead to improved performance for all SSD's but it may require a full break away from hard drives. Economics don't favor such development yet due to the capacity/price balance in favor of hard drives still. Reply
FunBunny2 - Friday, November 09, 2012 - linkAll the independent drive vendors have had bad numbers the last few quarters. Enterprise is supplied by niche (mostly private) companies. The X-25E didn't go over so hot in Enterprise. Sun/Oracle released a flash appliance years ago, and Violin has one now. It appears that IBM is headed that way, too. So: is any SSD form factor in the future? Or will Linus be proven right:
... but Flash-based storage has such a different performance profile from rotating media, that I suspect that it will end up having a large impact on filesystem design. Right now, most filesystems tend to be designed with the latencies of rotating media in mind.
-- Linus Torvalds/2007 Reply
eanazag - Friday, November 09, 2012 - linkWhat are the supported and non-supported RAID configurations of this drive? 5, 50, 60 and number of max drives. I assume 0, 1, and 10 work fine.
Does TRIM pass to these RAID modes yet or simulate? Is TRIM necessary still for this drive?
I'd like to see low capacity drives with this controller for use as boot disks on a VM server 16 to 30 or 30 to 60 GB, any chance? I won't ever go lower than 16 GB These low capacity drives would likely just see a RAID 1. Reply
Hulk - Friday, November 09, 2012 - linkAre there any software and/or hardware technologies on the horizon that will help to mitigate the issue of SSD endurance as process size continues to decrease? Reply
Kougar - Friday, November 09, 2012 - linkMy question is basically the same point Duke already raised.
Intel has already modified drivers to allow RAID 0 to pass TRIM commands under the 7-series chipset. Given the primary design of the DC S3700 drive is to give consistent IO performance and the targeting of data center customers, it would make sense to include TRIM pass through with RAID support. Will Intel be working on this (either with its own chipset, or possibly even other vendors as well) to enable this?
Secondly, does Intel assume TRIM is in place when it calculates the endurance of the SSD? Since TRIM would affect write amplification I would assume it would have somewhat of an impact on the drive longevity figures? Or would that impact be inconsequential with good idle garbage collection? Reply
extide - Friday, November 09, 2012 - linkWhat technology do you guys see most likely replacing NAND in the next several years? And approximately when do you think that will happen? What will this new technology bring that allows it to scale beyond NAND? Reply
extide - Friday, November 09, 2012 - linkWill anything like TRIM ever be implemented for Virtual File Systems? Foe example, if I have a VM with storage on top of a SAN that is thin provisioned, if that VM writes a bunch of data, the SAN will allocate storage, but if the VM then deletes that data, there is no way for it to signal up the chain, to the vmdk, and even to the storage underneath the vmdk that those blocks are no longer needed. Something like TRIM seems like it would be the logical solution here, but I have never heard anyone talking about it. Reply
Andre Oliveira - Friday, November 09, 2012 - linkIt would be nice if you could wear Spok's pointed ears. Reply
DDR4 - Friday, November 09, 2012 - linkOne question: How is the logical interface between the SATA and the internal storage improved since part of the memory access time is taken up by that process, not by the access time to the actual cells. Reply
Dug - Friday, November 09, 2012 - linkCan we expect to see a caching method for storage servers like we see on desktops, hopefully beyond the 60GB space?
Perhaps something that could be implemented in current storage solutions without buying all new hardware.
If this is not possible it would still be nice to create a server that only did caching for other storage servers. Reply
Spoony - Friday, November 09, 2012 - linkAnand,
I am curious if this will be available for later viewing? I live in Australia, and 03:30 during the work week is a bit steep for me to watch live. If possible, enabling a way to watch later would be great. Thank you. Reply
Betina - Saturday, November 10, 2012 - linkHi.
I'm by far no geek, and just try to get the knowledge I need for my current projects.
I host a small website with 6 million pageviews/month. I'm running it on an older 120GB SSD drive. But now I'm concerned, that it will fail due to too much read/write operations.
Would the new SSD DC S3700 be a good solution for me, or will I have to get myself a SLC based SSD drive - maybe even in the form of PCIe? My biggest problem is the price of these drives.
Any suggestions would be appreciated very much.
Best regards
Betina Reply
thebluephoenix - Sunday, November 11, 2012 - linkHi, geek here, not expert.
Alternative and faster solution:
2x An SSD in RAID1 (mirroring, 2x faster read performance, >1GB/s sequential).
I recommend 840 Pro, or even an enterprise drive, like S3700 for more reliability. Samsung 830 series are cheaper and reliable, though slower than 840 Pro. Reply
tkll - Saturday, November 10, 2012 - linkI really should pay more attention to what is going on in town. The office that I work at is only a couple of blocks away from the salt palace. Exhibition tickets are $100 though.... Reply
stepz - Sunday, November 11, 2012 - linkWhat is the largest block that is guaranteed to be written atomically, i.e. when power is cut, either the whole block is overwritten or nothing is changed, but in no cases, one part of the block contains new data and one part old data. Reply
casper.bang - Monday, November 12, 2012 - linkIt seems this technology makes TRIM somewhat less relevant both in regard to performance and endurance.
Was this technology/design born out of a desire to function without TRIM (in RAID, irrelevant of controller) and can we expect it to migrate to a consumer segment where TRIM becomes nice-to-have, but not a showstopper, when it comes to endurance? Reply
ReliableTech - Monday, November 12, 2012 - linkAre SSDs not expected to be used in RAID configurations for Servers?
What RAID configurations will be available?
Will TRIM be implemented in RAID Controllers? Reply
floam - Tuesday, November 13, 2012 - linkHow should one expect this to perform compared to a 710 SSD when used over a SATA-II interface? Do most SATA-III SSDs behave the same when you do this? I've got one 710 and was looking to get some more but now I'm going to hold my horses, especially given the price differences. But a big unknown to me is exactly what one should expect when I go and place it onto an old Dell PERC 6 controller. Reply
FoV001 - Tuesday, November 13, 2012 - linkwill you be uploading the SSD S3700 demo to the website later on today?? Reply


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P55 Overclocking Showdown - ASUS, Gigabyte, and EVGA at the OC Corral (Page 6 Updated)by Rajinder Gill on 11/6/2009 12:00 PM EST
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spacedude - Thursday, January 07, 2010 - linkJust wanted to comment that I just ordered a EVGA P55 SLI (NOT FTW) from newegg and received a foxconn socket...
Though on the forums, the evga reps are insistent that there is no problem with their boards.... Who knows if I even have a revised socket........
ARGHHHHHHH Reply
johnyfriend - Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - linkSaw recently a number of boards from asus and gigabyte with Usb3 and Sata 6gb support.Are you guys planning to include those boards in your upcoming p55 board reviews? Reply
groove420 - Saturday, November 21, 2009 - linkThe new Gigabyte boards will be designated as "P55A-UD6" for example, along with a "333" designation on the box.
The feature that caught my eye on these is that they have been refitted with a LOTES clamp instead of the Foxconn.
They remain fitted with a Foxconn socket apparently though.
Whether the fix for the "hot socket" was just a better clamp, or indeed the socket is a revision as well remains an unknown from what I've gathered.
johnyfriend - Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - linkThink they went with the more afordable way to change the clamps than the entire socket.got to wait and see if it pays out..incase those who are willing to buy decide to dump $$$$$$$$ in that Reply
Arbie - Monday, November 09, 2009 - link"Be warned the results are geared more towards benchmarking fanatics and are not in any way indicative of your everyday web browsing PC needs... "
Is this a benchmarking fanatics website? Or is it aimed at folks who want high-performance gear for day-in, day-out use? I am in the latter group, which is why I visit AnandTech practically every day. But I won't even bother clicking through a report like this.
In fact, probably only 0.1% of your readers are going to build on the edge (sub-zero cooling?), and there are plenty of websites for them. I'd rather see the same time and effort spent on something more relevant to the other 99.9%.
My opinion...
dingetje - Monday, November 09, 2009 - linkfail troll, stop whining or go to tomshardware Reply
matthewfoley - Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - linkI happen to agree 100% - I am interested in the high-performance gear for day-in, day-out use idea.
Anybody who wants Lynnfield for breaking OC benchmarks is wasting their time. Reply
dia - Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - link99% of the articles here are for regular users. This happens to be an article that is not for everyone. So what's the big deal if the minority audience occasionally gets a hearing every now and again? When I see articles like this going up every single week I might start to ask questions, but not before that. Reply
AstroGuardian - Wednesday, November 11, 2009 - linkGuys and gals,
This article is 100% for everyone despite what other ppl say.
You are totally missing the point of this post. This post is not about manufacturers and main boards. This post is about P55!!!
I am sure everyone (including benchmark fanatic) would like to hear about P55's capabilities. This article says about P55's abilities and gives insight about possible scenarios when pushing the P55 to its limits.
So what do you want to say? Do you criticize this site or what? Not all of you are IT professionals. As a matter of fact so few of you are IT professionals. And as professionals you musk know as much as possible about your area of expertise. I would like to know everything Anandtech has to say about everything. That's the beauty of it Reply
cyclo - Wednesday, November 11, 2009 - link+1. I rarely overclock myself but I still am interested in what the capabilities of this CPU/chipset combo are. I like seeing systems pushed to their limits until weaknesses become apparent. Extreme overclocking in my opinion is like stress testing... if there is any weakness in a design overclocking can expose it. In this case it could be the Foxconn socket, the lesser number of pins on the CPU itself (compared to previous gen i7s), the interface, or all of the above. Reply
McDaniel - Sunday, November 08, 2009 - linkGigabyte is always ahead in cooling trend.. nice review anyway.. is it possible to set my old processor(core2duo) on this main board? & by the way where i should go for it? Reply
darkslyde - Monday, November 09, 2009 - linkyou can't use socket 775 CPU in a socket 1156 board.
but AFIAK, you can use socket 775 cpu cooling (heatsinks, cpu waterblocks) on the P55 evga boards. it has mounting for both 1156 & 775. that's one thing you can save on...
if you want to re-use your c2d (i.e e6600) there are good intel G/P/X 4X series and nvidia geforce 7000/9000, nforce 700 boards.
i'm reusing my old E6600 on an ASUS P5N7A-VM for media pc use. i get to use my old ddr2 dominators too.
techraze - Sunday, November 08, 2009 - linkYes, you certainly can use it for core 2 Duo. but as this main board is designed for core i7/core i5 & their over clocking performances it's wise to have a new processor for this main board. i also did it recently & http://micropartsusa.com">http://micropartsusa.com can be a site for u also..anyway good luck dude Reply
yyrkoon - Sunday, November 08, 2009 - linkAs a matter of a fact. Doing some looking around I saw . . .
LGA 1366 == i7 only
LGA 1156 == i5 only
LGA 775 == Core 2 duo, core 2 quad, core 2 extreme ( just another core 2 ), Pentium 4, and Celeron ( could be based on core2, P4, or others, but so long as LGA 775 pin layout).
Of course, with LGA 775, some manufacturers do not allow all CPU types, but it is possible for them to do, if they wish. Reply
erple2 - Monday, November 09, 2009 - linkTechnically,
LGA 1366 == Certain i7 (9xx parts).
LGA 1156 == i5 and SOME i7 (8xx parts).
LGA 775 == Core2Duo, Core2Quad, and some Pentium 4 parts (any after "Northwood"), and some Celeron parts.
yyrkoon - Sunday, November 08, 2009 - linkUh, you know I have not really looked into it, but I am fairly sure a socket 775 CPU would not fit into these newer sockets. Unless Intel took extreme precautions they normally have not in the past. I7 is what? 1368 pin ? Socket 775 is . . . 775 pin . . . Reply
MrCommunistGen - Saturday, November 07, 2009 - linkIn the first paragraph of page 8 (the Gigabyte GA-P55-UD6 page)you mention cooling on the "ICH10R". It should probably say "PCH" instead. Reply
leexgx - Saturday, November 07, 2009 - linkeven past reviews never seen these types of problems before guess P55 is an no go until they fix the socket issues (overclocking or not) Reply
yyrkoon - Saturday, November 07, 2009 - link"Unfortunately, any jubilation for a platform winner ends here until we know the exact cause of the issues we experienced on motherboards using the Foxconn 1156 sockets."
Does this mean that all boards use this socket ? Or does it mean that the ones you wish to be winners use this socket?
I also find it odd that you would mention the Gigabyte board is good, but costs too much, where surely it is fairly priced compared to many Asus boards of the past. Yeah, the same company who seemingly wins all of your top awards, and comparisons.
Asus is *not* that good. EVGA is definitely not that good. and Gigabyte while not perfect definitely is not as bad as you make it seem. Not only that, these three companies are definitely not the only three in the motherboard business. Why is it that MSI, DFI, and other board makers are no longer sending you samples for review ? Hmm . . . Reply
Rajinder Gill - Saturday, November 07, 2009 - linkGary has the MSI board already; it was not tested in this compare because of CPU damage. The too expensive comment is aimed at the EVGA Classified 200 which does not deliver a significant advantage over the other boards in terms of CPU/memory overclocking even for the extreme crowd. DFI's board was not ready as early as the 4 boards we have tested here.
The socket comment was made because in light of the failures we experienced during testing. Our failures have been all related to Foxconn sockets, but there is now a confirmed user case having issues with a LOTES socket too. In light of this, it's hard to give any board accolades for raw overclocking until we know for sure that the 'problem' is fixed. Out of all the boards, the EVGA P55 FTW was the most consistent and easy to use. Also note, this article is in no way reflective of 24/7 PC's and what matters in typical usage scenarios.
yyrkoon - Saturday, November 07, 2009 - linkOk, sorry for the rude comments. But the main reason why this perturbed me, is that something similar happened to a company that I did like a few years back. They lost a lot of revenue because of the situation( and then left the market altogether; yeah . . . guess who ). With that said, I am glad that you guys reported this issue, because at that time, I was seriously considering the board afflicted. Then, I could even go as far back as the terrible capacitors used by many builders, which also caused bad reviews(and feeling from loyal customers)from many reviewers. You would think these companies would learn eventually. Of course, at the time, the builders had no idea these capacitors were going to ruin long term stability ( or maybe they did ? ). Then even in some cases long term was not an issue, because short term stability suffered as well.
So, for now on, I suppose I will just have to remember that highly OCable motherboards,are not really dependable for 24/7 operation, and then keep my "mouth" shut :)
I am glad to see one of you does have something from MSI. Now if only the other players would get something out as well. Reply
petergab - Saturday, November 07, 2009 - linkCan you, please, give the socket type of the tested boards? I don't want to start the foxconn/lotes dabate here.
And one more clarification: The MSI board (I supoose p55-gd80) was not testes because it had a foxconn socket that burned out OR because the two i7 870 were burned out (on asus)? Reply
Rajinder Gill - Saturday, November 07, 2009 - linkMSI GD80 was not tested because of damage to 2 870 CPU's, one of which was the best sample I had on hand (the one that ran Wprime over 5.2GHz). I've already presented the socket info of the tested boards in the article, but just to recap for you; EVGA boards were on TYCO AMP (E657) and LOTES (E659), ASUS and Gbyte both on Foxconn.
MSI's board was ready for review once the CPU damage had already taken place. It was a choice of starting afresh on all 5 boards once again (and risking coming away with even less same CPU comparative info) or running with the almost complete information on 4 boards I had at the time. The latter made more sense to me. Nothing against MSI, their boards were still in beta and undergoing a revision for PCI/e when this all started so they were not in the initial lineup anyway.
petergab - Monday, November 09, 2009 - link>> Nothing against MSI, their boards were still in beta and undergoing >> a revision for PCI/e when this all started so they were not in the >> initial lineup anyway.
Can you explain this in deteils? I think I found something about it 1-2 months ago and haven't saved the address.
Your review was published in Nov. This means you've tested them in Oct, so the planning should have been some time in Sept. As far as I can remember the current MSI board range was on the market before Sept. Does this mean than the MSI has some problems with PCI- PCIE speeds with the current boards? What about the other verndors?
Any links are also appreciated.
Rajinder Gill - Monday, November 09, 2009 - linkHi,
The delay between the article posting and now was simply becasue I tore some fo the content out for the socket burnout stuff a couple of weeks ago. No idea if the MSI PCI/e overclocking patch was post retail or not because I've never had a GD80 in my hands so don't know what to look for per se.
petergab - Monday, November 09, 2009 - link>> No idea if the MSI PCI/e overclocking patch was post retail or not because...
This is exactly what I'm asking about. What was the original problem with this (if any existed)? The fact that you've not considered thier boards talks about some not that trivial issue. What was it? What made you not consider the board? Reply
Rajinder Gill - Monday, November 09, 2009 - linkIt's simple;
1) At planning stage of who is going to be in the article one, MSI not added to inital lineup because board not ready.
2) By the time revision board is ready, 2 CPU's have been damaged while completing tests of 4 other boards (was in week 4 of testing at this point). Leaving me in a position where all tests must be re-run on every board with a new CPU just to add the MSI board into the report. Given the apparent weakness being experienced and not knowing if I'd be lucky enough even to make it through all 5 boards without another failure I decided to post what I had.
There's nothing more to it. You're reading into this too deeply. If I had anything whatsoever to hide, I would not have posted anything in the first place.
Makaveli - Saturday, November 07, 2009 - linkVery happy I just build a P6T Deluxe V2 + 920 D0 combo. Those overclocking numbers look good for the lynnfield setups, but I needed a true and tested platform and with these boards all just coming out I don't trust them. Reply
dingetje - Friday, November 06, 2009 - linkwow the p55 platform is totally screwd if this problem persists...any overclocker still oc'ing the hell out of their p55 must be either brave, rich or (michael jackson voice on:) ignoraaaant
Raptor88 - Friday, November 06, 2009 - linkRaja:
Thank you for you insights..
Can you provide more detail regarding the Max BCLK testing. Were all the boards running AUTO settings? If not, what were their respective settings?
Raptor Reply
Rajinder Gill - Saturday, November 07, 2009 - linkFor max BCLK testingPCI/e speeds were increased (where required) to 115MHz or so (the highest the CPU's I had could run were between 115-118MHz). I tried changes to RTL, memory dividers and all voltages were also changed. Subtiming ranges were shifted out to near maximums to see if that helped and also matched between the best and worst boards in the tests just to make sure something was not creating a hurdle.
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dingetje - Friday, November 06, 2009 - linkwow the p55 platform is totally screwd if this problem persists...any overclocker still oc'ing the hell out of their p55 must be either brave, rich or (michael jackson voice on:) ignoraaaant Reply
dingetje - Friday, November 06, 2009 - linkoops, this was supposed to be a comment, not a reply...damn UI :P Reply
dingetje - Friday, November 06, 2009 - linknow if we could only edit our posts I would so happy Reply
petergab - Friday, November 06, 2009 - linkWhat about any MSI boards? I know they may not count to the "extreme" OC but I think they should have a representative in such reviews. Reply
Rajinder Gill - Friday, November 06, 2009 - linkThe MSI board was due to be included but left out becasue of CPU damage that occurred during the socket burnouts. This left no real way of cross comparing the prior results with the MSI boards abilities on the same CPU. At that point I decided to run with what I had at the time rather than starting afresh thus delaying the article even further.
spiderbutt - Friday, November 06, 2009 - linkAre you planning to include the MSI boards at a later date? I am curious to see how they compare to the other boards.
Thanks for your hard work Raja it is appreciated! Reply
Rajinder Gill - Friday, November 06, 2009 - linkHi,
There will be some MSI P55 board reviews coming, although those were planned in more typical usage scenarios. I guess what I can do is use a different CPU in the E657 EVGA board for cross compare to any high-end P55 MSI offering we review to see how things stack up.
1stguess - Friday, November 06, 2009 - linkWow. This is a bold article. Does anyone dare OC their P55 setup? Madness. Reply
jav6454 - Friday, November 06, 2009 - linkI've been looking at these P55 boards and somehow I always thought high of the EVGA. However these results have proven my gut feeling right.
Bad thing of the EVGA boards is sometimes their higher price tag.
michael19 - Friday, November 06, 2009 - link"Our test sample arrived with the revised Foxconn socket.."
how can we tell if we have the revised foxconn socket as opposed to the defective version? Reply
Rajinder Gill - Friday, November 06, 2009 - linkNo idea at this point. Only Foxconn seem to know what it is they changed in the June revision. Reply
michael19 - Friday, November 06, 2009 - linkOr perhaps a side by side picture would show us some noticeable visual differences, possibly.. Reply
cmdrdredd - Friday, November 06, 2009 - linkHow come the Asus board is left out of the final few notes and tests? It's in the 3DMark and SuperPi scores etc, but there's individual pages dedicated to the other boards... Reply
Samus - Monday, November 09, 2009 - linkprobably because it failed mid-testing Reply
AstroGuardian - Wednesday, November 11, 2009 - linkIt's socket burned as a result of not so extreme overclock. It's not ASUS fault, it's Foxconn's faulty socket Reply
Rajinder Gill - Friday, November 06, 2009 - linkHi,
The ASUS board died before I could complete the 750 retail CPU testing. We just got a new board last week so I will possibly update when that arrives here.
cmdrdredd - Friday, November 06, 2009 - linklol well, a dead board spells trouble anyway IMO. Unless something drastic was done to it (extreme overclock for example). Reply
michael19 - Friday, November 06, 2009 - linkOK, thank you. Would the numbers on the backplate give us any indication? Is there any consistent difference in the numbers printed on the backplate from the old burnt out sockets to the new ones you have now? Reply
Corsairs - Friday, November 06, 2009 - linkI'd love to see this board compared to the group reviewed here. Reply
SpaceRanger - Friday, November 06, 2009 - link[quote]Gigabyte's top end offering comes in at $*** and touts their answer to competing boards as having '24-Phase' PWM circuit (using a multiplexed ISL6336 6 phase controller).[/quote]
So all it takes is 3 stars to get the top end offering from Gigabyte? Reply
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