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MSI's GUS II: External GPU via Thunderboltby Anand Lal Shimpi on 1/9/2012 7:43 PM EST
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klagermkii - Monday, January 09, 2012 - linkWhat kind of pathetic GPU can be powered by the 10W available over the Thunderbolt bus? This would be useful if it allowed a decent discrete card, but when a GTX580 is 250W+ what is this going to get us? Almost the TDP of a mid-range laptop graphics card. Reply
cmanderson - Monday, January 09, 2012 - linkPCIe can supply at least 75W, so if there is external power running into the chassis, it wouldn't need to draw exclusively from the Thunderbolt bus. Reply
winie - Monday, January 09, 2012 - linkIf there is going to be an ac/dc converter why not add a 6-pin connector Reply
Ryan Smith - Monday, January 09, 2012 - linkHeat. 150W in means 150W out. Reply
winie - Monday, January 09, 2012 - linkthat can be solved by more holes. the cards fan can surely move away its tdp without an enclosure Reply
piroroadkill - Tuesday, January 10, 2012 - linkYup. Just put a nice big hole right over where the fan intake is, and the card will exhaust the heat out the backplate. Cooling a card in an enclosure like this would be a breeze. Reply
repoman27 - Monday, January 09, 2012 - linkAnd form factor. Consider the size of a typical 300W power supply (if you wanted to use a high end GPU) plus a full-length dual-slot PCIe x16 card, plus cooling. This thing looks to be not much larger than the card itself, but I guess it's probably using an external power brick... Reply
SlyNine - Tuesday, January 10, 2012 - linkPowerSupplies take advantage of the size offered by ATX specs to lower costs, they don't have to be that big or else a 1200watt PSU would be 4 times as big as a 300 watt one.
I'm not saying the economics of scale works exactly like that but the point is valid. Reply
appliance5000 - Tuesday, March 13, 2012 - linkWell some of that 150 watts is used by the card. What's not used is dissipated in the form of heat. Reply
danielchatfield - Sunday, June 16, 2013 - linkHow do you suppose the graphics card 'uses' it - you can't destroy energy, all electricity used by the GPU will end up as heat. Reply
phatboye - Monday, January 09, 2012 - linkFrom the above picture it does in-fact look like there is a power core going into the GUS II external enclosure. So what I am guessing is that what the article meant was you could only use whatever power that the power cord supplies through the PCI-e bus and that the enclosure does not supply aux power connectors.
Still though that puts a large limit on what GFX cards this thing can work with. More than likely you will only be able to use lower performance GFX cards with this thing which makes it kind of pointless as in that case you might as well just stick to the integrated GPU that comes with most CPUs these days. Reply
SlyNine - Tuesday, January 10, 2012 - linkEven low end GPU's can beat the crap out of IGPs, Plus this can be upgraded and you will never upgrade your IGP. Reply
ickibar1234 - Sunday, June 16, 2013 - linkNot Intel's HD 5200 Iris integrated graphics. Reply
Bull Dog - Monday, January 09, 2012 - linkAdmittedly somewhat confusing the way it was written. The Enclosure receives power from an external adapter. The cord is visible in both pictures.
Inside the enclosure however the means to deliver power to the GPU is through the physical PCI-e connector. So only GPUs without extra 6-8 Pin power connectors will work in it.
Does that make sense? Reply
Sttm - Monday, January 09, 2012 - linkThere might not be a point in using a faster gpu that would require more then 75W as the bandwidth you get over Thunderbolt is going to be a limiting factor. Reply
zanon - Monday, January 09, 2012 - linkHonestly it really shouldn't be much of a problem, surprisingly enough. It seems to have become very widespread "common sense" that GPUs need a lot of bandwidth, and it's certainly what I assumed. But in fact short of a multi-gpu multiple-monitor setup it makes little to *zero* difference for even x16 vs x4. Take a look at results like the tests HardOCP did:
Definitely not what I would have predicted, but there it is. The full size TB chips found in something like the MBP can put out 20 Gbps each way, the half size ones 10 Gbps, although this thing may only use 10 anyway. But that's something like x3 to x5 PCIe 2.0 equivalent, which based on testing should be plenty for any single screen setup even with a pretty high end GPU.
Obviously, it's going to become more of an issue if people want to start combining or chaining a lot of stuff. Running an external GPU and trying to chain on a highspeed RAID for example, or wanting to have a multi-PCIe box, certainly looks like it could overload a single 1.0 TB port. It may be possible to bridge multiple ports, but longer term we'd have to hope it scales as Intel claims (at 100 Gbps per channel it shouldn't be a limiting factor under even near future use cases). Nevertheless, it is a pretty compelling use for the present. Being able to have full, standard PCIe slots for an ultrabook or equivalent would further knock down any remaining use cases for desktops. Docks that have enhanced active cooling that let the system's chips rev up higher would also help. Reply
repoman27 - Monday, January 09, 2012 - linkAll of the current Thunderbolt controllers only provide a single PCIe to Thunderbolt protocol adapter, as far as I can tell. Thus total PCIe bandwidth is limited to the equivalent of PCIe 2.0 x2.5. This would begin to bottleneck higher end cards pretty severely, I'd think. Still better than integrated graphics, but a pretty crazy expensive solution for gains that could be achieved vs. just buying a system with a better dGPU. Reply
zanon - Monday, January 09, 2012 - link>All of the current Thunderbolt controllers only provide a single PCIe to Thunderbolt protocol adapter, as far as I can tell.
I don't know enough at all myself to whether this is a current hard limit or whether it could be worked around somehow in situations where no DP is needed. Maybe Anand could look into that, but at any rate even if it is hard limit it's not the end of the world necessarily (see below), and furthermore something that manufacturers should have been on earlier :).
>This would begin to bottleneck higher end cards pretty severely, I'd think.
Yeah, "I'd think," but again see my link above. I honestly truly would have thought that a drop on a GFX 480 at 2560 resolution from x16 to x4 would have made a difference, but in many of the games it literally had ZERO effect, nada. I would want to see some real tests about exactly what kind of real-world effect a bandwidth drop to have. Don't forget, 1920 is plenty common, and even mid range dGPU boards would completely, utterly slaughter any integrated or even higher end mobile graphic solutions. Reply
JNo - Tuesday, January 10, 2012 - linkthis. Reply
Penti - Tuesday, January 10, 2012 - linkActually they provide 4 lanes (x4) PCI-e (but can not communicate at full speed 4x PCI-e 2.0 obviously) except on Macbook Air where they have half the physical speed. If it where not physically connected to x4 PCI-e/PCI-e 2.0 on the motherboard and instead PCI-e 2.0 x1 you wouldn't get up to ~800MiB/s on products like say Pegasus R6 which is physically an x2 PCI-e external SATA-raid card in a box connected over Thunderbolt which tunnels the PCI-e protocol. Extra bandwidth is just there to provide the needed room of the 8b/10b encoding. Add to that the the Thunderbolt chip is an PCI Express switch which means that you can physically connect and establish a connection to more then one full speed x2 PCI-e 2.0, two x1 PCI-e 2.0 or up to four PCI-e 1.x full speed devices which means they can be bandwidth starved when daisychained. Effective bandwidth for GPU is the 8Gbit/s that PCI-e 2.0 x2 provides. System might see it as x4 device though, but it won't perform like an x2.5 device. Should still fine use for gpu use though, but not so much in the consumer space. Though it would be fast enough for some gaming compared to what you could otherwise achieve in a 11.6-13.3" case. For a 15" notebook just buy a faster discrete gpu as said though. Reply
repoman27 - Tuesday, January 10, 2012 - linkAll current Thunderbolt controllers have connections for 4 lanes of PCIe 2.0, including the MacBook Air. All Thunderbolt ports provide two 10Gbps, bi-directional channels over a single cable. They all operate at the same speed. The full 10Gbps is available to the underlying protocol (PCIe or DP) with no 8b/10b overhead.
The bottleneck is that all current Thunderbolt controllers only appear to have a single PCIe to Thunderbolt protocol adapter. Even though this protocol adapter has a PCIe 2.0 x4 back end, it only has a single 10Gbps frontside connection to the on-chip Thunderbolt switch. PCIe 2.0 sans 8b/10b runs at 4Gbps. 10/4 = 2.5. The 1250MB/s PCIe throughput a Thunderbolt controller is capable of is equivalent to 2.5 lanes of PCIe 2.0.
If there aren't other devices in the Thunderbolt chain sharing the PCIe bandwidth, an external GPU solution could probably yield some fairly impressive performance gains nonetheless. Reply
Watwatwat - Monday, January 09, 2012 - linkIt is a given that it will have external power. Even if pci can supply 75 watts the laptop power supply cannot. Reply
Sttm - Monday, January 09, 2012 - linkThe black power cable coming out of the rear of it seems pretty given. Reply
Zigor - Tuesday, January 10, 2012 - linkJust zoom in and read the product brief:
"Supports up to 150W discrete graphics card". Reply
ther00kie16 - Monday, January 09, 2012 - linkLack of additional power plugs is seriously disappointing. Might as well diy (google it). Reply
Pandamonium - Monday, January 09, 2012 - linkVillageTronic's ViDock 2 (I believe that is the model number) used expresscard to power external GPUs. MSI had a predecessor to the GUS 2, IIRC too. The problem with each of these is that they are priced out of the market. They're just too expensive for what they seem to do. And in the case of the ViDock, I am not certain that the USB ports detract from the bandwidth available to the GPU, or if the USB ports pull from expresscard's USB access simultaneously while the GPU uses the x1. I think I had a lengthy query about it on the AT forums some months ago. Reply
zanon - Monday, January 09, 2012 - linkWas going to post this in the other comment, but thought it deserved it's own. Really, given the general trend towards portables I'm honestly surprised to have not seen Nvidia in particular push this REALLY hard. The overall trend of the market is heavily towards notebook/ultrabook-class systems. AIOs continue to sell in significant numbers too, and all of them represent a vast swath of users where the best that can be hoped for is often to make it onto the mobile chipset, and even then Intel is furiously pushing their ever-more-integrated graphics (and of course AMD has potential with Fusion).
This would seem like a big, golden and possibly single opportunity for Nvidia to open up the ability to sell real cards to this entire market. There could be bare PCIe expanders for the more technical groups, but fully integrated solutions that are literally plug-and-play are very feasible and even better for a lot of groups then traditional solutions (no need to open anything up, handle anything board-y, even think about "molex" or case cooling, just have a shiny attractive external case unit that has a cable to the computer and one for power). Seems like a big chance to mix things up a bit, I'm kind of sorry to not see Nvidia pushing TB a LOT harder. Reply
repoman27 - Monday, January 09, 2012 - linkWell, the only PCs to ship with Thunderbolt thus far are Macs, and Apple went all AMD/Intel this year for graphics, so there aren't any Mac drivers for NVIDIA GPUs released in the past 12 months. So I'm guessing that may have something to do with NVIDIA not pushing TB too hard yet.
I totally agree with the complete solution concept, although I kinda figure they might come from the partners rather than AMD/NVIDIA directly. If you think about it, the performance of a Thunderbolt GPU setup is clearly going to plateau at the point when the available PCIe bandwidth becomes a bottleneck. If you select the lowest power / lowest cost GPU capable of saturating PCIe 2.0 x2.5 on a regular basis, and build a custom card around it specifically optimized for the low bandwidth situation, add the TB controller right on board and a power supply and cooling solution custom tailored to a compact external enclosure... Now you've taken all the guesswork out of it. You have the maximum performance you're going to get out of this type of setup, in the smallest form-factor, and maybe even at a reasonable price. Reply
zanon - Monday, January 09, 2012 - link>so there aren't any Mac drivers for NVIDIA GPUs released in the past 12 months. So I'm guessing that may have something to do with NVIDIA not pushing TB too hard yet.
I don't find that convincing. This stuff doesn't just happen by magic, as the Nvidia vs AMD driver situation has shown. Nvidia often has done dramatically better with drivers and game performance because they expend dramatically more resources connecting with developers. By the same token, they could have done a lot more to talk up TB, to push PC makers to include it, and for that matter to negotiate with Apple. Apple themselves have every reason to want TB to succeed and of course to push their own portable machines, which is a major profit center for them. Anything that boosts that could be of mutual benefit, maybe even a way to more widely get back into that particular segment.
I think Nvidia just plain hadn't really thought about it, which is unfortunate.
>If you think about it, the performance of a Thunderbolt GPU setup is clearly going to plateau at the point when the available PCIe bandwidth becomes a bottleneck.
See my other response above, but this could be a much higher plateau then you seem to be assuming, at least for non-compute work. Also, it's not like there is exactly a very high plateau to surpass when the competition is the HD3000 or whatever.
But yeah, with a bit of nice engineering it certainly seems there could be a market ripe for the picking, even on the Mac side. Reply
repoman27 - Tuesday, January 10, 2012 - linkI've checked out a fair number of PCIe scaling tests, and I understand what you're saying. At x4 things look pretty darn good, the impact ranges from negligible to roughly 18% in some scenarios. When you look at x1, however, things become a bit grimmer. Of course nobody has posted test results for x2.5 because that isn't a normal scenario, so it's hard to say where the choke point really is.
I reckon the performance plateau for a TB connected GPU is still considerably higher than HD3000, but what about vs a 6770m? Would it still be worth the money to buy an external upgrade? Reply
zanon - Tuesday, January 10, 2012 - link>I reckon the performance plateau for a TB connected GPU is still considerably higher than HD3000, but what about vs a 6770m? Would it still be worth the money to buy an external upgrade?
Couldn't know without testing of course. However, it's easy enough to get a feel for the sort of delta there is between desktop and mobile just by going and taking a look at some of the Anand reviews for various notebooks, including the Macbook Pros, the various Alienware gaming machines, and so forth, and then comparing them to even something like a 6950. It's not even in the same area, and those are bigger, heftier machines. On the really light ones you will be seeing integrated, and then what have we got? HD3000, Starcraft II, 1366x768, medium settings: 16.5 FPS. Yeah. A big fat gaming focused machine with something like a 555M pushes that up a lot, same settings, to over 68. But that's like the framerate a ~$250 desktop card would get you at 1920x1200 with ultra settings and AA.
Ultimately I don't think there's any real way to get around the fact that a single desktop card can easily draw 3x-5x the power of the entire max machine draw of many notebooks. It's just plain physics, there's only so much you can do with a fifth or less the power and thermal budget. Even with bandwidth constraining things, a raw difference of 500% or more is a lot to make up, and there's room for optimization of the approach too (ie,. CPU ramp up when docked to an external GPU to take advantage of the additional thermal budget available). Reply
sullrosh - Monday, January 09, 2012 - linksince it is a pcie slot does it work with any pcie card? Reply
tpurves - Tuesday, January 10, 2012 - linkWould be awesome to take over graphics for a macbook air when docked. Even stuck at a 75W power budget would leave a lot of room for improvement over intel integrated graphics. For comparison the AC adapter for the MBA is only rated for a max 50W to power and charge the entire computer. Reply
Khenglish - Tuesday, January 10, 2012 - linkYou guys are vastly underestimating what can be run on thunderbolt with the limited PCI-E bandwidth. In short, thunderbolt with optimized drivers can run absolutely anything with no performance loss. Check http://forum.notebookreview.com/gaming-software-gr... to see what you can do with a simple PCI-E 1.1 x1 link. Even with 1/32 the bandwidth of a desktop, in some cases 90%+ of the PCI-E 2.0 x16 performance is obtained. On a 2.0 x1 link, you get practically no performance loss die to PCI-E. Ex 15587 gpu score in vantage with an overclocked 560 ti, and 4096 gpu score in 3dm11. Even a 580 scales well on a 1.1 x1 link. Check the forum I posted to see the scaling.
The reason the performance loss is so little is because nvidia provides PCI-E compression with current drivers. Unfortunately this current only works with x1 links. The compression will not engage on an x2 link, causing x1 to usually outperform x2.
There are some results with systems that do not run any compression. When looking at the performance on an 1.1 x2 link, it's not hard to imagine that on a2.0 x2 link or better, which thunderbolt provides, would offer excellent performance even on the new HD 7970. Reply
DanNeely - Tuesday, January 10, 2012 - linkThat page is an utter mess, the one useful bit of scaling I found was to 5870 tests by Tech Powerup, a direct link is below. The average performance hit they found from a 1x 2.0 link was about 25% reduction; there were however very large variations with some games only losing a few percent and others having framerate drops as high as 75% of their 16x performance. (A few games even scored higher at lower PCIe bandwidth numbers: Inconsistent benchmarks?????). A 2.0 x4 link was fast enough that none of the games tested suffered any catastrophic failures, in most cases the delta was small enough it probably wouldn't affect the [H]ocp minimum relevant performance threshold of being able to increase IQ settings while maintaining a playable framerate.
Unfortunately they didn't test a 2.0 x2 link (or equivalent). Toms hardware did similar tests on a 1.1 x4 link several gpu generations ago and IIRC didn't find any major problems. But I think that was with an 8800 family GPU so I'm not sure how relevant it would be with modern ones being a half dozenish times faster.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_5870_PCI... Reply
Khenglish - Tuesday, January 10, 2012 - linkDid you bother to scroll down to the performance tables? They're pretty straightforward and if you click the name of the person's experience you often get quite a bit of detail.
There is so much info on that page about PCI-E performance but no one bothers to check it.... I get over 4k total score in 3dm11 with a overclocked 460 on a 1.1 x2 link... Reply
mpschan - Tuesday, January 10, 2012 - linkI, and many others, are very excited to see something like this come along.
What I really want is a laptop that can drive 1080p for games with mid quality settings. Obviously power and heat from the GPU are the biggest obstacles to that, but this could address that and move the concern over to the CPU, which might be up to the task (if not now then hopefully soon).
If they can get this to work and work well enough to pull 40-60 fps from a laptop at 1080, you will see people lining up to buy this. Reply
Haydon - Tuesday, January 10, 2012 - linkFor the money it would cost to buy the enclosure and the card, why not just get a laptop with a decent GPU in the first place with Optimus technology and the like which switches to the integrated GPU when you're not playing games on it? Untill some iteration of lightpeak can do PCIe 3.0 at x4 or PCIe 2.0 at x8 this just isn't going to sell well.
I can already get 40-60 fps at medium/high settings on my laptop that cost only $1500 from AVA Direct.
This seems more for the Mac crowd who is as of yet unaware that they're being ripped off so hard in the graphics department that they don't know laptops exist that can play games well.
On the PC side of life there are laptops that don't need an external enclosure to run everything at 1080p in 3D (like the 3d that pops out of the screen) even with maxed out settings. Reply
aliasfox - Tuesday, January 10, 2012 - linkI don't want a bigger laptop. I want to carry a 12-13" laptop around - just big enough for a full size keyboard. You can't fit a fast GPU and a fast processor in something that size and expect to get a good amount of battery life.
But sometimes I'm at home and I want to do something that poor old integrated graphics can't handle. Plug this box into the laptop, plug the TV into the box, and I have now have 10x the graphics performance at 1080p, while still being able to carry around a 3 lbs laptop when I need to take it out. Reply
know of fence - Thursday, January 12, 2012 - link2012 to be the year of the Thousand-bucks - erm - Ultrabooks! Thunder bolt-on crutches may be available a year later down the line when people will realize those things fall flat - erm - when it comes to graphics. Reply
ionis - Monday, January 16, 2012 - linkThese external GPUs are pointless without HDMI in on the laptops. Who's going to bring their laptop, external GPU, AND monitor with them? It would be so great to be able to take a laptop and a gaming capable GPU with me to a friend's house or on a business trip. Reply
mercutiouk - Sunday, April 15, 2012 - linkI really think the first company that comes up with a box shaped to fit a PCI-e dual slot (almost) full length card WITH relevant power and cooling. A dual USB 3 to thunderbolt adapter, single 7200RPM hard drive and enough lanes tied to it to achieve close to desktop performance all in a box you can hang off the back of a monitor is going to clean up.
Have the laptop set to boot from thunderbolt first.
Coming home with a laptop, pushing 1 plug in it and having it capable of near desktop performance with about £120 plus whatever you want to spend on a graphics card is going to quite compelling to a fair chunk of PC users.
Even i'd probably make the switch for that (assuming I could throw a 2nd plug in to talk to the raid-5).
Modular computing where you have a basic, "does general duties" core that's portable and once docked has available performance boosted significantly is almost certainly the future.
I'd like to see the virtu tech being used with this to allow a brick to be plugged into a laptop and give performance boost to the built in screen as per the current desktop setup. I run with a pretty good performing laptop (5870, i5, 6GB) that's been shoe-horned into a 15.6" setup but something lighter and more modular would be awesome. Reply
theunfrailhale - Sunday, June 10, 2012 - linkI would like to see a new LCD display that includes a GPU port. You're running power to the monitor, you could incorporate the GPU into its power scheme and get all the wattage you need for a good card. Slap some USB ports on the side, and a TB cable to your ultrabook of choice and voila! plug in one cable and now your laptop is a rough equivalent of a desktop.
... ok... you probably want to charge your laptop too, so thats two cables to plug in. =/ Reply
ErroneousUsername - Monday, May 27, 2013 - linkMaybe I'm being naïve but couldn't you dedicate a 500W desktop power supply to the graphics card via the 6/8 pin adapters and run dual thunderbolt to alleviate the bottleneck of the controller a little? the laptop should only have to power the cable itself I would think. Then you could run a fully powered HD 6950 or so on 4 lanes of pcie 2.0. I don't know if that would significantly out-perform the GTX 680m or not but I would imagine so. On a second thought though, I believe they now have laptops with SLI GTX 680m's or Crossfire HD 7970m's. I'm not sure where they benchmark compared to a PCIe 2.0 x4 desktop card but I think they'd be able to handle quite a bit. So maybe thunderbolt will be primarily for storage and peripherals and everyone will just have to buy a laptop with better dedicated graphics. I had high hopes for thunderbolt driven exterior graphics solutions but it appears that there may be too many roadblocks. Reply
Jblagden - Saturday, August 17, 2013 - linkI recently emailed MSI about it and the sales representative said that MSI will not put the GUS II into production because it "Did not meet our production criteria to launch to market as a viable product.".
It looks like MSI may have underestimated the amount of people that want to buy the GUS II.
It looks like the only way to convince MSI to produce it is through this petition:https://www.change.org/petitions/msi-micro-star-in... Reply
Jblagden - Wednesday, September 04, 2013 - linkI just found out that the other reason why they haven't released it is because Apple hasn't tested it yet. That's a problem because the MSI GUS II mainly appeals to Mac users. The GUS II doesn't really appeal to too many PC users. This is partially because there are a lot of people who have a 13 inch MacBook Pro or a MacBook Air and would rather pay around $200 for an external graphics card instead of having to pay $2500 for a Mac Pro. Also, with IBM Clones, there are gaming laptops, while there aren't any Mac gaming laptops. So, we'll have to find out when Apple will be able to test the GUS II. Reply
Thatguy97 - Wednesday, July 01, 2015 - linkstill cant do this... Reply


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If we're going to come down on the side of marketing, primarily for the benefit of real estate brochures, then we're going to continue losing young artists and gaining racy retirees. In that event, I suggest an alternative designation for Santa Fe's larger tourist neighborhood: Alas.
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A5 - Monday, February 27, 2012 - linkThat Z2580/XMM7160 combo would have been more exciting if not for two things:
1) Qualcomm is going be shipping an LTE-A baseband in Q4 2012. Network support will be coming in 2013, so it is more of a "nice to have", but still...
2) Like you said in the article, that GPU will probably be behind the curve by Q1 2013. CPU performance will probably still compare favorably to Krait/Tegra 4/etc, though. Should be interesting times. Reply
iamlilysdad - Monday, February 27, 2012 - linkWe'll also have TI's OMAP 5 with the all new A15 cores by then. Reply
A5 - Monday, February 27, 2012 - linkHence the "etc". Reply
klmccaughey - Monday, February 27, 2012 - linkHere is a video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66VeS0_tAJM
I look forward to the day when we can get customizeable phones from Intel for builders like us :)
The battery life seems excellent given the power. Reply
just4U - Monday, February 27, 2012 - link(...sigh) don't expect them to make the same mistake as IBM did back in the day. There will likely be alot of pressure from OEMs to make sure that everyday average builders are locked out. I mean think about it, we don't even really get to build our own laptops... chances of getting to build some phones are going to be fairly slim. Reply
Kumouri - Monday, February 27, 2012 - linkIn the article you said 1h next year (1H 2013) for release of the 2580, but in the chart you said 1H 2012, is this a typo? Just want to make sure :) Reply
lilmoe - Monday, February 27, 2012 - linkI can see how java and devlik cache can also run on x86 (since java is portable by nature), but wouldn't that require a LOT of optimization before an OEM can release a phone? What about updates? It would even extend the delay problems of updates and bug-fixes. There are other technologies that are (currently) ARM dependent such as Renderscript, and now we're talking about android kernel app development... I can only see this making Android more fragmented since devs will also now need to optimize their applications/apps for x86...
On the other hand, a viable market would be an x86 version of Windows Phone 8 (hint: PowerVR SGX 544 with DirectX compatibility). I hear that metro-style apps (also winRT apps) should transcend CPU architecture. It's still unclear whether the same WinRT app build would work on both architectures without modifications or recompiling, but if it does, then it'll be perfect, and it's just exactly what .NET should have been from the first place.
A "smaller" copy of Windows 8 for tablets (without desktop view, and only running metro-style apps) might also benefit from the new Atoms. IvyBridge (and beyond) for high end tablets, and these Atoms for lower-end budget tablets... sounds cool. Reply
Jaybus - Monday, February 27, 2012 - linkHuh? The Renderscript compiler compiles to byte code, similar to .Net or Java. The runtime decides what to run on GPU, what to run on CPU, etc. Very similar to CUDA. Once there is a Renderscript runtime and compiler for a platform, apps using Renderscript simply need a recompile. The Renderscript compiler takes care of optimizations at the byte code level.
Its much harder, in general, to develop an app for both Android and Windows than it is to develop an Android app for different hardware architectures. One of the benefits of Android's Linux roots.
Of course there has to be device drivers for any new platform's hardware, regardless of OS, but Intel has already done that. Since nearly all apps are written in high level languages and let the compilers handle optimization, I really don't think it is a big deal. Reply
lilmoe - Monday, February 27, 2012 - linkthanks for the clarification Reply
mosu - Monday, February 27, 2012 - linkDid Intel provide numbers regarding power envelope or max TDP for those new chips?Is Intel preparing something DX11 capable, because PowerVR is only DX9? Reply
zeo - Monday, February 27, 2012 - linkIntel doesn't give too much information out until the chip is actually out in the market but the first single core version of the Medfield platform reportedly has a 2.6W TDP at idle and a maximum power consumption of 3.6W when playing 720P Flash video. While more details of the dual core version is still pending.
The SGX544 is limited to DX9 but the PowerVR series has versions that supports DX10.1 and the newest Power VR Series 6 supports DX 11.1 and OpenGL 4.2... Reply
IntelUser2000 - Monday, February 27, 2012 - linkThat's not CPU power, but overall platform power usage when idle and in load scenarios. So everything like memory, storage, screen, auxiliary devices use power. Reply
Lucian Armasu - Tuesday, February 28, 2012 - linkRegardless, Krait and other ARM chips use a lot less, even under maximum load, let alone for the idle mode. Reply
iwod - Monday, February 27, 2012 - linkAre those numbers right? It seems quite high to me compare to what Anand present to us earlier on.
I am getting slightly worried, because Intel has the resources and power as well as known how to literally everything in the semiconductor industry. And how they manage to catch up in such a short space of time.
22nm will bring them on par with power usage.
Then there is price which will sort itself out once Intel manage to overlap its SoC competitor by one nodes.
I am worried..... Reply
Lucian Armasu - Tuesday, February 28, 2012 - linkIt looks like they won't have a 22nm until 2014. They might be able to catch-up in energy efficiency by then, but they can't do that by keeping pace with the performance increases that ARM chips also get.
And their catching up is by no means fast. They've been trying to launch an Atom based phone since 3-4 years ago, and it still seems they have more catching up to do in the power consumption department.
Also, ff a single core has a ~3W TDP, then their 2 cores chip will probably have an even higher TDP. They couldn't have cut the power consumption in half, while also doubling the performance in just one year. That's basically a 4x difference. Intel chips usually have only 30-40% difference in either power consumption or performance every year. They can't advance faster than that. Reply
Hector2 - Tuesday, February 28, 2012 - link"It looks like they won't have a 22nm until 2014" That's just wishful thinking.
Intel's x86 PC chips could never match ARM at 45nm. They knew they'd need at least 32nm & they just used 45nm to get everything ready.
The delay until June for 22nm volume production will have no effect on the 22nm entry into smartphones. It seems that lower volume 22nm production server chips will start shipping in April and a delay in volume fab starts won't hold up converting the 32nm Medfield design to 22nm and getting it ready for prime time. We'll see 22nm Medfields shipping in 2013. We'll probably see first 14nm samples in 2014.
At what point do the chips get so small and power efficient that they pass ARM in performance, power & cost ? Probably 22nm. Reply
iwod - Tuesday, February 28, 2012 - link3W? Anand article stated otherwise.
And as Hector has pointed out TriGate 22nm LP will bring power / performance on par with ARM.
It is only a matter of cost. Reply
mosu - Monday, February 27, 2012 - linkthank you, zeo.can you provide a link? Reply
scores87 - Monday, February 27, 2012 - linkcan someone at anand can post a benchmark between intel and krait? Reply
Lucian Armasu - Tuesday, February 28, 2012 - linkI'm sure they will do once it hits the market. I hope they compare it with whatever is the most powerful then, and they also do a comprehensive test, including a video of how both react in the same time.
A single Sunspider test will not be nearly enough, and even that should be done with the same browser, so the browsers' own JS engines don't skew the results too much. Reply
twotwotwo - Monday, February 27, 2012 - linkA netbook with the extra battery life boost/capabilities of one of these chips seems potentially fun. Are there technical reasons it won't happen, or won't be as awesome as it first sounds if it does? Reply
khimera2000 - Monday, February 27, 2012 - linkthe biggest red flag for me is the GPU. Intel has never had there GPU's run right, and I'm not crazy enough to think that this problem will magically disappear over night. Yes there taking the GPU from another company, but I am still skeptical. If a company that big, with that much money cant get there stuff to work at in there most heavily invested market, I am not going to assume that they will get it right on the first run in a market they have no experience in. Reply
Lucian Armasu - Tuesday, February 28, 2012 - linkIntel is coming out with a SGX540 GPU in the second half of 2012? Reply
ET - Tuesday, February 28, 2012 - linkI just want Windows on my phone. I want to hook it up to a display and keyboard and use Visual Studio and play old games. These SoC's seem fully capable of this. Reply
name99 - Tuesday, February 28, 2012 - linkWhy? What exactly is the value in being able to use a core+chipset optimized for low power in a situation where low-power is not essential? Reply


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Spinne - Monday, March 06, 2006 - linkNewEgg still doesn't have them in stock, neither does Monarc Computers. Wonder how long it'll be before they get them and the prices drop. Reply
dennis hs - Sunday, March 05, 2006 - linkI've just gotten this mobo.. It's pretty sweet! I really like the ALC882 onboard sound! It's really crispy and all good :D
Overall I don't have any issues with it. It's a damn good mobo!
[vietnamese hooker mode on]
" Me love it longtime :) "
[vietnamese hooker mode off] Reply
tonser - Friday, March 03, 2006 - linkIt is nice that manufactors listen, but why do they still bring out Motherboards for SLI and Crossfire, where the normal PCI cannot be used with their heigh end grafic cards - I am wondering ? Reply
yacoub - Thursday, March 02, 2006 - linkThis board gets an official "daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn, Gina!" rating.
Holy crap it flies with an X1900XT! Reply
theOracle - Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - linkIn the table - "PEG Bugger Length" Reply
Wesley Fink - Monday, March 06, 2006 - linkCorrected the Brokeback Mountain reference Reply
DigitalFreak - Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - linkNo one has any RD580 boards in stock in the US. Hell, Newegg doesn't even have any listed! Looks like another classic paper launch to me. Reply
glynor - Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - linkhttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82...">Oh, and how about from Newegg here Reply
SLIM - Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - linkhttp://www.antaresdigital.com/customer/product.php...">1
Please get a clue before posting. All these people complaining about not making proper comparisons because Anandtech went the extra step of testing the latest vid card from ati on their latest chipset in ADDITION to making a very fair comparison with what nvidia has to offer currently.
Nice article, too bad people don't pay attention to the graphs before they complain about them.
DigitalFreak - Thursday, March 02, 2006 - linkMoron. Did you happen to notice the "Out Of Stock" button?
And what's with the bitching about proper comparisons, blah blah blah? Reply to the wrong thread, did we? Reply
ocyl - Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - linkPage 4 mentions that there is an Asus board called "A8N32-MVP." Does anyone know where to find more information about this board, if it does exist?
Gary Key - Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - linkIt should have read A8N32-SLI and has been corrected. Thank you. Reply
Darthb0b0 - Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - linkI'd like to see numbers of both X1800 and X1900 Crossfire, on both the A8R and A8R32 (four sets of numbers for those who are math impaired). I am much more interested in how this new board, and its price premium, affect Crossfire performance. Reply
nicolasb - Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - linkCan we have some comparable benchmarks for 7800GTX 512 as well as 7800GTX? And 7800GTX 512 in SLI mode too. Reply
whippingboy79 - Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - link**"The NVIDIA 7800GTX and ATI X1900XT are readily available for purchase in the marketplace. Since the 7800GTX 512 is not available for sale anywhere and has not been available for weeks, it seemed unfair to compare x1900XT results to products that are not available for purchase."**
Please don't take this personally Anandtech but your reviews are seriously flawed...
This article should of only been written if the proper hardware was available for testing.
If that was the case then the article should review a X1800XT Crossfire vs the 7800gtx 256 SLI in the A8R32-MVP.... These cards are based on competing technologies 2-3 quarters ago..... The X1900 series cards are based on current technologies as are the new 7900 from Nvidia and some might throw in the 7800gtx 512-
Back in december the 7800gtx 512 was readily available on launch- give the 1900xt another 2 months and we will see what the availability of the product looks like. Even now the 1900xt is in low quantities.. give it another 3 weeks and well you get the picture.
I have been finding that some of the Anandtech writers are not objective enough. They have a habit of allowing thier personal views and tastes on hardware flaw their testing and results. Sadly I can still recall the days when Anandtech was a viable resource.....
dali71 - Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - linkThat's funny, I just checked three of the main reputable online vendors and found that they all appeared to have plenty of the X1900 series in stock and priced reasonably as well (reasonable being a relative term when referring to high end video cards). I then checked the same three vendors for the 7800GTX 512. Only one actually had listings for the cards, but they were all backordered and ridiculously overpriced as well. So since you are obviously a biased Nvidia fanboi, why don't YOU give it another 3 weeks to 2 months and see if you can extract your foot from your mouth when X1900s are still readily available. Reply
Sh0ckwave - Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - linkSeriously you guys need to stop flaming every article Anandtech publishes. Get over it, if you don't like their reviews don't read them. IMO Anandtech is still the best and always has been. Reply
Matthews316 - Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - linkI would have liked to see a side by side graph comparison of these two boards with crossfire enabled. That way we could get an idea if the dual x 16 PCI-E slots on the A8R32-MVP made any significant gaming performance improvement over the dual x 8 PCI-E slots on the A8R-MVP. Otherwise I really enjoyed the review, and I'll probably be purchasing one of these boards once the price settles down a little. Reply
Beenthere - Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - linkWell, well, well - the disappearing Asus Mobo Hype. I lost count is this the forth or fifth hype posting in the past ten days that has been up, down, up, down, up, down and a real jerk around?
After the abortion A8R-MVP Asus shipped as a designed for "serious overclockers" piece of garbage, they can stick the A8R32 where the Sun don't shine. The A8R-MVP was the most over-hyped under performing mobo ever sold and IMNHO a fraud as it doesn't come even close to delivering the advertised performance Asus claims.
I find it amazing how Asus feeds Anandtech all the info. they desire but Asus can't or won't fix the defective A8R-MVP mobos that have documented memory incompatibility issues, 1T timing issues, vcore voltage issues, MVP card issues and more. Asus has the balls to dump the defective A8R-MVP mobo into the marketplace and then flat refuse to even support this malfunctioning mobo or even discuss with their customers any solution to the long list of problems. Asus completely ignores its customers and has provided no BIOS upgrades that fix any of the listed problems above. Once upon a time we had good Asus mobos but for the past several years Asus has been unable to deliver any reliable, properly functioning mobos. It took them four different SLI models to get an SLI32 mobo that performs equal to every other mobo companies SLI X16 mobo, so you gotta believe Asus has engineering issues.
As if to illustrate how gullible some consumers are the A8R32 addresses some but not all of the problems on the A8R-MVP that according to Anandtech and Asus were not problems at all. This must be like with MICROSUCKS where bad security code isn't a defect it's a "feature". It's amazing the B.S. that is published to suck up to unscrupulous manufacturers. The disguised damage control is for the naive who don't have a clue. If a S939 mobo can't run standard industry DIMMS in 1T and the vcore voltage varies 100 mV or more, the mobo is a problem child. The fact that Asus still deletes the proper vcore voltage options in BIOS on the A8R32 tells me they still have engineering problems IMNHO.
Sorry Wes but these Asus reviews are not objective scientific tests any more they are just marketing hype. It looks like you're way too close to Asus to tell the whole story instead of regurgitating the glowing marketing hype. When Asus recalls all of the defective A8R-MVP mobos and replaces them with properly functioning A8R-MVP mobos, then they'll prove they have their act together and that they care about their customers. Otherwise IMNHO they are just an unscrupulous company dumping defective goods into the marketplace to defraud consumers.
Looks like there is little value in reading Anandtech any more as it's become unreliable just like THG did after Tom left. We ain't buying the hype and Asus can shove their entire product line where the Sun don't shine. They may have made short term profits by defrauding A8R-MVP buyers with defective goods, but in the long term they will lose a lot of customers to other mobo makers. Reply
theprodigalrebel - Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - linki was almost paying attention to your post, but you lost me when you wrote 'microsucks'.
stupid troll. Reply
superkdogg - Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - linkIf you had been working for half the time you have been whining on every forum you can find, you could have bought two SLI-Experts or whatever motherboard you think has no problems.
Dude, get over it. The A8R was not exactly as reviewed here. Is that disappointing? Yep. Unfair? Maybe. Fact is, anybody who bought it for the "serious overclocking" that you're referencing would do a vMod and get on with it. I have two A8R's. One is dead because I was stupid and tried a vMod. My soldering needs work. I bought a second one on refurb for $75 because I realized that in the best case, that vMod might get me another 150 MHz. You know what else would get me 150 MHz? Dusting off a Pentium Pro in my basement. I could also get the 2% benefit that 1T timing would give me from chance, since most 'marks are + or - 2-3%.
I was burned by the same problem you were. I have learned to live with it and am currently happily running 300x9 with ram @ 2.5-4-4-9, 2T (166/200). That's not bad for standard blue heatspreader Patriot that runs about $80 per gig. Reply
DigitalFreak - Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - linkOmid, is that you? Reply
yacoub - Sunday, February 19, 2006 - linkShould have run the 3DMark benches with the 7800GTX like all the other boards so at least we could see if the board itself (the object of review) offered any particular performance gain or loss. :[ Reply
yacoub - Sunday, February 19, 2006 - linkoic now, thanks. :)
green bars. tricksy hobbitses! Reply
Missing Ghost - Sunday, February 19, 2006 - linkI am unhappy with the pictures of the board included in this review. I can't see anything on them because they are too dark. I couldn't even tell if they were a firewire port on the back. Reply
Wesley Fink - Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - linkThe pictures are not overly dark on several monitors we tried in reading the review. I'm sorry I don't have advice in that area.
As stated in the review, both Firewire ports are on an accesory bracket included with the motherboard. The bracket will fit in an empty slot or can be routed to case firewire ports. Reply
Googer - Sunday, February 19, 2006 - linkWhat Phase Power is this motherboard using? 2,3,4,8,24? Reply
Beenthere - Sunday, February 19, 2006 - linkAny properly designed 3-phase or greater CPU vcore circuit that complies with AMD's VRM64/T specs will work just fine. If however a mfg. delivers a poor circuit design or uses inferior MOSFETS, caps, etc., then you experience Vcore instability which causes all kinds of operational Hell. More phases just lowers the ripple and spreads the load across more MOSFETS. Reply
Beenthere - Sunday, February 19, 2006 - linkBTW, if you check the A8R-MVP, the A8N series and the Asus P5GL-MX you'll see that all of these mobos have been confirmed to have vcore instability problems when tested at the mobo with a DVM or scope. Asus seems to have some significant mobo engineering issues they can't resolve... and that are not present on other brands of mobos using the same chipsets. Reply
Ecmaster76 - Sunday, February 19, 2006 - linkDo you work for DFI or Abit or something? This is the third site where I have ran into you flaming Asus constantly!
(where did I put that troll repellant)
Seriously, link some proof of said Vcore instability. Show me scope printouts of the Vcore lines (and the 12v rails that were used to drive it) Reply
Beenthere - Monday, February 20, 2006 - linkNo flames at Anandtech. Asus is the mfg. and the one responsible for delivering a proper vcore circuit design, using quality components, etc.
Don't shoot the messenger for stating the facts. If Asus didn't have design and engineering problems their mobos wouldn't have these confirmed issues reported by numerous hardware review sites. Reply
arswihart - Sunday, February 19, 2006 - linkDo you have to use the same color RAM slots on ASUS boards for dual-channel, as shown in the pic in this review? Reply
Shimmishim - Sunday, February 19, 2006 - linkit's good to see you catch your mistakes from your previous reviews. i hope next time you'll take users comments/emails more seriously than just brushing it off simply as "others can do it..." other than that. this board looks great! its a shame all this good stuff is coming out 1/2 quarters before AM2 is being released. Reply
godrod - Friday, February 17, 2006 - linkI need to know on this board if you only have one video card (x1800XT) can you put it into the upper PCI-E slot closest to the CPU socket or does it have to go into the lower slot like the SD480 boards. Reply
Wesley Fink - Friday, February 17, 2006 - linkA single video card can go into either x16 PCIe slot. We tried both slots and it will work wekk in either. Reply
arswihart - Sunday, February 19, 2006 - linkthis looks nice, I haven't moved from AGP yet, this may just make me do it Reply
Beenthere - Friday, February 17, 2006 - linkAfter Asus's false advertising of the A8R-MVP as being designed for "Serious Overclockers"; After Asus's failure to fix the long list of defects on the A8R-MVP which include 1T memory, Vcore instability, BIOS issues, etc.; After Asus's failure to acknowledge the known problems with the A8R-MVP; After Asus's refusal to even discuss the problems of the A8R-MVP with customers; After Asus's refusal to provide a proper BIOS upgrade to correct the defects in the A8R-MVP; After Asus's denial that the A8R-MVP mobo even existed after people bought it; After Asus's refusal to provide the same BIOS to consumers that they provided to Anandtech...
there will never be another Asus product purchased by our company. Asus can stick their entire product line where the Sun don't shine. They've burned us for the last time. They may think they got away with defrauding consumers with the defective A8R-MVP mobos but they are in for one big surprise. Reply
DanaGoyette - Sunday, February 19, 2006 - linkRefusal to provide the same BIOS...
Hey, that gives me an idea! I wonder if Anandtech still has their A8R-MBP -- if they do, they should make a bios backup and post it! Reply
matthewfoley - Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - linkIf any of you read the article they offered anyone who emailed them a copy of the same bios that they used. If you really want it I can get it for you. Reply
DanaGoyette - Sunday, March 05, 2006 - linkOh, I don't even have the board, but shouldn't it be easy to post the BIOS on the site rather than just through e-mail? Reply
BPB - Friday, February 17, 2006 - linkThis doesn't make sense: "there will never be another Asus product purchased by our company". Why would a business care about overclocking? A business should care about STABILITY. Reply
DigitalFreak - Friday, February 17, 2006 - linkThey should have moved the only PCI-E 1x slot to the left. They way it is now, you lose that slot when using a dual slot cooler in the PCI-E 16x slot closest to the processor. Hopefully that will be changed on the AM2 version of the board. Reply
aguilpa1 - Friday, February 17, 2006 - linka 7800 and 1900 this way we can better gauge the mean performance of the "board" with identical comparison to other previously tested boards because not everyone is going to run out and get a $600 1900 ATI just for this board. Reply
Wesley Fink - Friday, February 17, 2006 - linkWe DID test the A8R32-MVP with both the X1900XT and the 7800GTX. If you closely at the standard gaming performance graphs on p.9 you will see the orange bars are the A8R32-MVP test eith the X1900XT and the green bars are the same A8R32-MVP tests with the 7800GTX. The other board results are with the 7800GTX so if you compare the green bar to all the blue bars you are comparing 7800GTX performance on ATI and nVidia. In addition, all the bars are labeled with the test board and test video card to prevent confusion.
This is explained in Test Setup on p.6, and in my comment above, "We reported both results so you could compare 7800GTX performance to the previous boards also tested with the 7800GTX. Since the X1900XT is the latest and fastest video card the results were included for Reference only. As someone else pointed out, when testing Dual X16 Video you have to run SLI on nVidia and Crossfire on ATI (or Intel)." Reply
aguilpa1 - Friday, February 17, 2006 - linknever mind, I see someone asked the same question, but were not given a reasonable answer anyways Reply
BPB - Friday, February 17, 2006 - linkThis is exciting news. But I plan on getting the X1900 AIW, which won't do Crossfire. So, when are we going to see non-Crossfire (Xpress 200-type) versions of this chipset? In the end I may get this board, but I'm hoping I can save a few bucks by getting one without the added cost of Crossfire. Reply
Wesley Fink - Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - linkRD580 is only available as the dual x16 version. With both x16 lanes off the north bridge you can't really leave out a chip, as you can in the nVidia version right now, and lower the price. The single X16 slot and dual x8 Crossfire will be provided by RD480. Reply
n7 - Friday, February 17, 2006 - linkLooks like a superb motherboard for the price! Reply
Zebo - Friday, February 17, 2006 - linkLook perfect to me. Black, high clocker, built like a tank and relativly inexpensive. I wish they had this two months ago - U seen my DFI chipset mod what a PITA to get silent chipset sitting right under card.:( Not only is ATI chispet seemingly cooler leaving us with passive solutions they clock at least as well if not better.
Zebo - Friday, February 17, 2006 - linkAlso the gap between PCIe cards is perfect to run water blocks too and well as nV/ATI silencers w/o touching or being cramped.. Reply
SuperStrokey - Friday, February 17, 2006 - linki assume that was not the gtx512 was it? If so wow Reply
DeathBooger - Friday, February 17, 2006 - linkhttp://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?Web...">http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?Web...
If you do a currency conversion it's $217USD. Some lucky guy actually got to buy it before they were supposed to sell it. http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=...">http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=... Reply
Egglick - Friday, February 17, 2006 - linkWhy would you use two different videocards when benchmarking a motherboard?? This really tells us nothing about the motherboards performance in relation to the others, because you have another huge variable. Reply
Wesley Fink - Friday, February 17, 2006 - linkAs we stated in the test setup we ran BOTH the 7800GTX and the X1900XT video card on the Asus A8R32-MVP. We reported both results so you could compare 7800GTX performance to the previous boards also tested with the 7800GTX. Since the X1900XT is the latest and fastest video card the results were included for Reference only - many would have asked for X199XT results if they were excluded.
As someone else pointed out, when testing Dual X16 Video you have to run SLI on nVidia and Crossfire on ATI (or Intel). Reply
andrewln - Friday, February 17, 2006 - linkbecause you can not run SLI in Crossfire motherboards Reply
tuteja1986 - Friday, February 17, 2006 - linkWhy didn't Asus include the cool feel as they did with the ASUS A8N 32-SLI. Like the 8-Phase Power and the cool looking Fanless Motherboard cooling system. Reply
mino - Friday, February 17, 2006 - linkJust wondering. maybe 8-phase is a waste for ~60 watt Athlon64s. Also why do a fancy(an expensive) "cool looking Fanless Motherboard cooling system" when chipset is cool and doesn not need one at all???
I.m glad someone has a sense and doesn't produce third central heater in the system(after CPU & GPU).
Hoping SB600 will be a good one. Reply
Wesley Fink - Friday, February 17, 2006 - linkThe RD580 chipset also ran very cool on this board, so there may not be the need for the more exotic passive heatpipe cooling used on the A8N32-SLI. Reply
Wesley Fink - Friday, February 17, 2006 - linkThe A8R32-MVP was designed to sell for a lower price - probably around $130 to $150, where the A8N32-SLI was designed to sell for $200+. While the A8R32-MVP isn't 8-phase, it actually overclocked ba bit better and gave up nothing to the more expensive and excellent A8N32-SLI in performance. This board can also run dual X1900XT cards in Crossfire mode. Reply
tuteja1986 - Friday, February 17, 2006 - linkI wonder how much will it sell for and if it goes arround same price as Asus A8N 32-SLI (220ish). if it cost that much then i will end up buying DFI RD580 motherboard if its got no issue bugs like the 1st rev of DFI RD480 CRossfire. Reply
Paratus - Friday, February 17, 2006 - linkIf i win the X2 4600 I'm buying this board! Reply
BPB - Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - linkIt's $280 at ZZF. Not exactly cheap. Certainly not what the article estimated. Reply
DigitalFreak - Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - linkZZF is a pretty good outfit, but they will rape you on pricing if you want something on "day 1". Reply
Gary Key - Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - link
It's $280 at ZZF. Not exactly cheap. Certainly not what the article estimated.
The board should settle to the US $130~$150 price range. The prices will run high at first until supply meets demand. We are a little unsettled with the current trend of pricing by the resellers at product launch but it will continue to occur as long as people are willing to pay the price to be the first to own. ;-) Reply
tuteja1986 - Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - linkdude the board isn't offically out :! march 2nd launch date i think or its March 3rd :! Reply


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