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This article was published 27/1/2014 (1304 days ago), so information in it may no longer be current.
My family has thrown me in the doghouse.
The problem is our beloved long-haired miniature wiener dog, Zoe, who turns 10 today ("Happy Birthday, Zoe!") has been packing on the pounds and I'm the one shouldering the blame for her excess baggage.
"She's fat and it's your fault!" my wife and daughter growl in unison as they point their accusing fingers. "You're the one giving her treats all the time."
Worst of all, they're right. I'm guilty as charged, which is why last week I finally agreed to take Zoe to visit our veterinarian, Dr. Jim Broughton, who owns Exclusively Cats Veterinary Hospital on Corydon Avenue, and has looked after our dogs for more than 25 years.
I was expecting bad news, but it turned out to be a little more serious than I expected.
First, Dr. Broughton popped Zoe on the scale. According to the breed standard, she should weigh about 12 pounds at most. In fact, she tipped the scales at 19 pounds, meaning she is 36 per cent over her ideal weight.
"She is seven pounds over the breed standard," he explained, asking me to visualize seven large sticks of butter.
"It's not good," he continued. "She's grossly obese. That's the reality of it. A pound for you or me isn't that important, but a pound for a dog or cat is important. A pound can be like 20 per cent of their body weight, depending on the size of the animal."
Next, he popped my unhappy pet onto an examining table to conduct a body-condition check. He began by running his hands along her flanks. "As you do that, you should be able to feel the individual ribs. In Zoe, I can't do that, I'm just feeling the fat," Dr. Broughton told me.
Then he ran his hands along her spine. "You should be able to feel the tips of the vertebrae," he said. "I can't do that; it's just a smooth layer of fat."
Finally, he did a visual inspection to see if she had an hourglass figure, and ran his hands along her abdomen to see if she is shaped the way a small dog should be.
"Unlike a belly coming up as it should, there's a bloating or distension," he noted. "She has some significant sag. She should have an hourglass figure... with an obvious narrowing at the waist. With her, she's pretty straight from her chest to her hips."
It's cold comfort to discover my miniature dachshund is just the tip of an unhealthy iceberg. Just like the human population, there is a growing epidemic of overweight and obese pets, a health crisis that is putting our best friends at risk of premature death.
As he conducted his exam, Dr. Broughton confirmed there is "absolutely" an epidemic of pets carrying far too many pounds.
"It's an epidemic for the same reasons we see in humans -- not enough exercise, a sedentary lifestyle and people feeding them too much," he said as Zoe puttered around the clinic, fascinated by the scent of its feline clients.
"With the growing bond -- people seeing pets as kids -- it leads to overfeeding. We're killing them with kindness. It's led to obesity in our pets."
He estimated up to 60 per cent of the cats coming to his clinic are overweight. Of that 60 per cent, as many as half would qualify as obese.
Dr. Erika Anseeuw, director of animal health at the Winnipeg Humane Society, said in an interview the problem of overweight and obese pets is more critical than most owners realize.
"It's a very big problem," the shelter's vet said. "We often equate food with love with our pets. I'd say a majority of our pets are overweight, and a fair number are obese as well. It's just as much a problem in pets as it is in people."
She estimated 25 to 40 per cent of pet dogs would be considered overweight or obese, while the problem is even more severe in felines. "Based on the population of cats we see here, I'd estimate 60 to 70 per cent of owned cats are overweight or obese. It's very common in cats."
Who's to blame? Do what I did -- take a hard look in the mirror. "Mostly it's our fault," Dr. Anseeuw pointed out. "We buy the groceries, not the dogs or cats. It's generally overfeeding. It's in the owners' hands.
"They want to share their love through food, and they often are as bad about exercising their pets as they are themselves." Along with poor diets and sedentary lifestyles, there can be underlying medical conditions behind weight gain, so it's essential to have your pet examined by a vet.
The consequences of this epidemic are staggering. Being overweight exposes pets to myriad health conditions, ranging from diabetes, heart disease and respiratory issues to back problems -- especially in dogs like Zoe -- a lower quality of life, senility and behavioral problems.
"They're at higher risk of diseases that are catastrophic and expensive to treat," Dr. Anseeuw warned. "You're shortening their life."
Added Dr. Broughton: "A lot of people don't realize fat is an inflammatory organ, so obesity lends itself to chronic pain. If an animal is experiencing chronic pain and is overweight, one of the first things we do is get them on a diet to reduce body weight."
The prescription for Zoe and the growing legion of pudgy pets sounds simple -- reverse their lifestyle to cut down the number of calories coming in and increase the amount of energy going out.
In reality, as you have already deduced, there's a lot more to it than meets the eye. Our vets warn you can't simply cut back on their food. Sudden weight loss can pose a serious threat, especially in cats who are at risk of developing irreversible liver damage from crash diets.
"What we do in the shelter with fat cats is put them on an all-wet food diet that is high in protein and lower in carbohydrates," Dr. Anseeuw said. "Dogs are omnivorous and they do fine with dry food. If you want to feed your cat dry food, at least half their diet must be wet. Dogs are easy to shop for; with cats, the general key is more wet food."
Dr. Broughton said part of the problem has been a sharp increase in production of energy-dense, highly palatable foods that pets are eager to gobble down, leading to overeating. "That's what sells," he noted.
Simply cutting back on the regular food you feed your dog is asking for trouble, because you'll also be cutting back on nutrients and protein essential for maintaining lean muscle mass.
In prescribing a special weight-loss food for Zoe, the vet said: "We don't want to cut back on her protein. When we diet an animal, we want to maintain its lean muscle mass. Prescription food is not only calorie-reduced, it's also formulated to maintain her metabolism so she continues to burn fat and lose weight."
The prescription kibble has to be blended in with the old food over about 10 days to guard against gastrointestinal upset from the change in diet. And, yes, you'll pay more for prescription food, but the extra cost is far less than you'll pay for expensive pet medications you'll likely have to buy down the road.
Then there's the question of exercise, something my wiener dog and myself both need a lot more of. I am under doctor's orders to ensure my pudgy pal gets at least 10 minutes of activity three times a day.
"We have to increase her exercise, but we don't want her running a marathon right away," the vet said.
When it was pointed out the city is in the grips of a brutal deep freeze, Dr. Broughton fired off a list of options. "I've had some clients who walk their dogs on a treadmill," he said. "You can play fetch in the living room, or hide and seek."
For cats, Dr. Anseeuw suggested "making indoor exercise a game. Use a laser pointer as a game, hide their food in different spots so they have to search. You can get them moving. Cats can be exercised easily in the home."
Getting a pet active, along with inducing weight loss and getting them fit, can reduce the risk of senility. "It's not just bones and muscles that are helped; it's their mental health, too," the humane society vet noted.
The thing to remember is your pet's health is in the owner's hands.
"One of the biggest reasons diets in animals fail is the animal decides it's not getting enough and starts begging... for food and the owner gives in," Dr. Broughton warned.
My overweight friend and I are expected to check in with our vet every couple of weeks to see if her weight-loss plan -- and my ability to resist her sad, soulful eyes -- are on track.
It's the only way she's going to get (forgive me) a new leash on life, and I'm going to get out of the dog house. Adds our vet: "It's tough love. Just like killing them with kindness, getting them better is tough love."
Fit tips for fat pets
It sounds simple, but it takes time and energy. Here's a few ideas for getting started:
- Start with a trip to the vet to work out a safe plan for a healthier diet and increased exercise. "There's some very healthy weight-loss foods, so the pet has a full tummy but is getting fewer calories," says Dr. Erika Anseeuw, director of animal health for the Winnipeg Humane Society.
- Your vet can also determine whether an underlying medical condition is playing a role in your pet's weight gain.
- Talk to everyone in your house to determine who is feeding the pet and how much they are dishing out.
- If you insist on giving your pet treats, provide healthier options, such as vegetables. "Stay away from avocados and onions and grapes and raisins," advised Dr. Anseeuw. "But everyday vegetables like carrots, peas, celery and apples are good."
- "No feeding at the table and no human food. Just dog food," advises Dr.
- Jim Broughton, owner of Exclusively Cats Veterinary Hospital on Corydon Ave.
- Be precise when doling out food.
- "And use a measuring cup. When we say one cup we mean ONE cup," says Dr. Broughton.
- Get your pet moving, because exercise burns calories and helps improve mental health. Start slow and work up to longer times and distances. "Exercise, whether a dog or a cat, is very important. An older or arthritic animal may need some help with pain medications or supplements," Dr. Anseeuw notes.
- No "free-choice feeding." You should be "meal-feeding" your dog twice a day.
- It's tough to resist the soulful eyes of a begging dog, but be strong. It's time for "tough love."
- There are tons of online resources, but regular visits to the vet are key.
- The staff at your local clinic are your best allies, agree Dr. Broughton and Dr. Anseeuw.
— Sources: Dr. Erika Anseeuw, Winnipeg Humane Society; Dr. Jim Broughton, Exclusively Cats, and petvalu.com


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AMD's Zacate APU Performance Updateby Anand Lal Shimpi on 9/15/2010 5:04 AM EST
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Lonyo - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkTo be honest, the first test was kind of valid as well, in a fashion.
AMD has better drivers than Intel, and it highlights that there can be serious problems with (especially Intel) mobile drivers.
While Intel performance may sometimes be decent, it's not always a given with respect to graphics. Sure it's not showing outright performance advantage, but it's showing system advantage through AMD having a better update system, like their easily available mobile drivers which work with most systems. Reply
artifex - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkIt's definitely worth noting that if you have to force a manual install of an unsupported Intel driver to get parity with the AMD platform, that's bad. Because most people (including many enthusiasts) aren't going to go around trying to install drivers they're not offered. In fact, it makes a lot of sense to start posting "as normal" and "as tweaked" numbers. Also, Anand, you should tell us who the OEM is, as well as notifying them that their drivers suck :) Reply
Peciura - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - link"Also, Anand, you should tell us who the OEM is, as well as notifying them that their drivers suck :) "
i agree. Reply
Anand Lal Shimpi - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkI didn't disclose the name of the OEM at AMD's request. AMD didn't want to strain its relationship with this particular OEM, which I can understand. I will contact this OEM privately to notify them of the issue and that it should be rectified.
Take care,
Anand Reply
Taft12 - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkAMD can use all the OEM cooperation they can get, and indeed AMD laptops seemed to featured more than I can ever recall in electronics flyers this past back-to-school season.
Desktop is fading and mobile is a critical market. Seeing AMD make gains against Uncle Monopoly in this space (both in performance and market share) is very encouraging. Reply
JarredWalton - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkI can say from my own experience that the "unsupported system" is a problem on both sides of the fence. Toshiba, Sony, and Panasonic do not participate in AMD's mobile reference driver program. On Toshiba, I've found that if you can download the drivers from a *different* AMD-GPU laptop, you can install them (for now), but I don't know if that holds for the other two manufacturers.
As for Intel IGPs, I know HP and Lenovo typically require you to go to the OEM for drivers. However, you can either manually install (as Anand did), or at least in the case of one HP netbook, if you uninstall the OEM driver and reboot, the latest Intel driver installed fine. I believe most business laptops also fall into the "go to the OEM" category, so you may have similar issues with Dell Latitude as an example.
NVIDIA is the standard bearer here with support from just about everyone for their Verde Drivers. Sony is now onboard with their latest Optimus enabled laptop (though older systems are still MIA). The only NVIDIA laptops that don't get Verde support are hybrid graphics solutions with Intel IGPs, and as I've discussed previously, that's more of a limitation with that particular technology than anything. Reply
synaesthetic - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkSo glad Gateway doesn't buy into the OEM driver balderdash. When I got my NV5925u, it didn't even have Gateway-branded video drivers--it had reference Catalyst installed, albeit a slightly out of date version! Reply
LesMoss - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkI know from experience that Dell locks down it Intel integrated graphics drivers. Reply
Colin1497 - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 - linkThis is easy to get around, generally, because the lock comes from the drivers that are installed. Just uninstall the Dell drivers, dumping back to VGA. After that, you can typically install the Intel drivers, or at least that's my experience with Dell. Reply
Sahrin - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkEh...it's valid, but remember that Anand's purpose here was not to judge a specific implementation of Zacate, but to do an architectural comparison of Zacate v. Arrandale. To use an inferior software platform only serves to murky the hardware comparison. What AMD was trying to demonstrate was that Intel's platform is fundamentally weaker; not Intel's platform is the same except for drivers. Reply
Lonyo - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkHence the "as well".
It's not an accurate performance comparison, but it is potentially an accurate state of play comparison.
AMD has both the superior product, and also (potentially) superior support for that product, as shown by the first test when it went horribly wrong for Intel because their drivers aren't well done (and by that I don't mean bad coding, but an overall bad system of drivers).
Best case scenario: Intel performs on par in this seemingly poorly scaleing test.
Worst case: Intel gets about 10% of the score because of poor support. Reply
spart - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkhedge is ridiculous to compare the next generation of AMD with
and intel generation that is leaving behind, should be zacate or ontario vs sandy
bridge Reply
duploxxx - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkAMD Zacate launch date is Q4 2010, priliminary SB launch date is indeed just first or second week of 2011 however not the CULV parts, that will take 2more quarters according to official roadmap, so yes this test is valid.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3876/intels-core-201... Reply
stalker27 - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkDo you call Fermi vs Evergreen a "ridiculous" comparison? Reply
Shadowmaster625 - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkYeah but intel's next generation will not be had for $500. There is nothing on the netbook roadmap for intel except a new crappy atom. Reply
justjc - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkThis article is based on a test made on a available prototype Zacate APU notebook which AMD compared to a Intel solution they could get their hands on. (Even Anandtech haven't gotten to play with a Sandy bridge Notebook)
Besides Sandy Bridges direct competition, at a similar price point, will be the mobile variant of AMDs Llano and not their Ontario or Zacate APUs.
The market the Zacate APU will compete in is low to midrange notebooks, where the Core i5 520M notebook solution is a reasonable representative as a 2011 midrange(around $500 notebook) part. After all that is where the current last generation, the Core2Duo solutions, still exist today. Reply
crazzeto - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkI very much agree with this... In particular because I tried a "force install" of standard nvidia drivers on my HP laptop and it caused some very serious and bizzar issues. A less experienced user would never have figured out the issue, and frankly HP was completely useless when I originally contacted them (they claimed I installed bad memory).
So in many cases, the OEM drivers are the way to go anyhow. Reply
fic2 - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkI tried updating a friends HP laptop with new video drivers but the "newest" that HP has are 2 years old. This laptop has an nvidia card so I know that there are newer drivers but since it isn't my laptop I just installed the 2 year old set. Pretty crappy that you have to install HP "official" drivers. Turned me off of HP laptops until you can use standard Nvidia/AMD/Intel graphic drivers. Reply
larson0699 - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkIn my experience, the official drivers can always be installed via Device Manager (in fact, that was the original way to install drivers, anyway), but as you mentioned about the odd issues, I've seen my share of those as well, no problems with acceleration or artifacting, but mostly the BSoD from nv4_disp.dll. It's just a sad testament to the nonstandard implementations of mobile GPUs, especially the nonremovable ones. That's why I really didn't care about picking up a secondhand machine with GMA 900 -- when I didn't expect much out of it anyway, there's little disappointment to be had. Naysayers can extrapolate that statement all they want, but when I need GPU muscle, I stick with the tried and true (built desktops) where at least I'm expected to download the latest driver. Uniformity would be nice -- I don't think it's as hard to support ANY mobile platform with your name on it in Windows as it is to port your drivers to another OS.
Disregard all that. Stupid end user talking. Reply
ellarpc - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkI just ran the Psychedelic test on two completely different systems and got almost identical scores to that of the i5-M and the Zacate. first system I ran it on was a 65nm core 2 duo E6750 @ 2.66GHz with a 9800GX2, Psychedelic score1789... Next I grabbed an even older system a 90nm AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ @ 2.0GHz with a very old 6800GT, Psychedelic test score 1784. As far as raw GPU power the 9800GX2 is multiple times more powerful than a 6800GT and if the test was objective at all the core 2 and GX2 should have given very different numbers than the old x2 with a 6800gt...
I wouldn't trust Microsoft's scoring they mainly want their test to be compared to other browsers.
Great Job Anand for putting AMD on the spot to test their product. I'm really hoping for good things for AMD next year. I look forward to your articles in the upcoming months. It's going to be exciting! Reply
larson0699 - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkYeah, I think Anand mentioned that from his observations, "hardware accelerated" performance (i.e. IE9 on GPU) doesn't scale with GFLOPS, understandably so. What confuses me here is that the 6800 is pre-DX10 (I have a fuzzy memory of a DX10 requirement, geez, it was only earlier today I installed the beta for the first time) and that the 3800+ is in all ways weaker than the C2D (that's not fanboy talk -- I used to own a 3800+ and thought it was ludicrous speed) .. Indeed, the numbers seem almost random, like a mysterious performance rating a la Windows Experience Index (though that's much more telling).
Don't feel bad. I can't even run Psychedelic -- I do all my modern experimenting on retail displays ;-) Reply
Perisphetic - Thursday, September 16, 2010 - linkThis needs to be put into this!
The Dell Duo is the first time a notebook/tablet convertible has been done right from the mechanical point of view. It's a far superior solution to transforming tablet/notebooks than that single middle joint garbage commonly found on these things. But the Duo currently lacks proper hardware to become truly awesome. Just the thought of Zacate in that thing is incredibly enticing. Reply
5150Joker - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkHow does zacate stack up against sandy bridge graphics performance? Reply
Duraz0rz - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkThey're in totally different market segments. It's fairly irrelevent to compare the two.
Now if you were talking Llano, that's a different story. Reply
djgandy - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkHow is a comparison to i5 relevant but Sandybridge not? SB is Intels fusion arch, and has CPU's that cover a wide range of targets, from ultra low power notebooks to high end gaming rigs.
Comparing this to the current i5 is irrelevant. Reply
flyck - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linksandy bridge is not released so you can't test it as a competitor.
We only know anand gpu test for SB but this one has a larger clock than the mobile chips will have.
Lowest speed bin for SB is rated at 35W which is 2x that of zacate. Not sure where the competition is in that. AMD used the i5 since that one has the highest ondie gpu for the current laptop segment. Reply
djgandy - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkThis is not released either!
Also SB Will come in very low power parts (sub 20W) that target the ultra mobile laptop segment.
Therefore the comparison to SB is valid, since both are un-released and SB will likely target the notch just above zacate which is far closer than a current i5 mobile is to it. Reply
mczak - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkI agree comparison to SB would be nice. That said, we haven't seen any information on the ULV parts yet - these typically are released quite a bit later than the other parts. I think though SB should be faster - it has twice the memory bandwidth and can use L3 cache for graphics, both should help quite a bit (of course this only matters if your graphics core doesn't suck otherwise). There is no doubt though Zacate platform is cheaper.
As for other performance comparisons, someone should compare these benchmarks to HD5450 - the graphics core could be very similar. Reply
Mautaznesh - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 - linkSilly Sir, thats like comparing an Turion to a desktop Core 2 quad.
They're both for different platforms.
Llano is the competitor to Sandy Bridge, and both come out at the same time even though for the longest time people thought Sandy Bridge would beat out Fusion APU's. Just wait and we'll see who will win the fight, Llano which is probably going to sit very well with mainstream (not enthusiast obviously) gamers, and 3d editors, etc...
Zacate being compared to a note book based on Intel parts such as the i5 should be enough until We have a Llano vs SandyBridge benchmark comparison. Reply
flyck - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkI never said they were, i said when it is not released a compitor cannot test with it.
current SB shows as low as 35W, no ULVC are releasing any time soon. Again, as mentioned couple of times, the ULVC require a severe reduction in frequency for cpu and gpu, so no you cannot compare them to the SB we see in there current version.
(i5M has almost 50% gpu-core clock advantage over the UM).
Even if the low power ULVC are going to compete on a power level, they will not on a cost level. die size is huuuge compared to zacate and so will the selling price. Basically they will still be in total different markets. Reply
Jamahl - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkWhat do you expect AMD to walk up to intel and say "Give us one of your unreleased Sandy Bridge systems so we can benchmark our new chip against it"?
Dear oh dear. Reply
djgandy - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkNo, but there were some numbers for SB released the other day which could have been used.
So your logic is if you can't make the right comparison, just make any comparison? Reply
Jamahl - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkYes that could have been done, but then we'd have an idea of its performance vs SB at low resolution.
That's the kind of thing Anand would like to keep back until the full review, don't you think? Reply
Shadowmaster625 - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkDo you have any idea how much Intel is going to be charging for a <20W SB? If it is less than $200 for the chip alone, I'll give you a cookie. Intel will sell nothing as cheap as zacate, unless it is an atom. Reply
lwatcdr - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - link"Also SB Will come in very low power parts (sub 20W) that target the ultra mobile laptop segment."
Will come.
When it show up I am sure it will be tested.
Thing is that the real apples to apples test with this would be with Cedar Trail but I do not think they are available yet.
The test with the i5 is to show that it can not just bet an Atom but i3 and i5.
Frankly this APU looks great. It will be cheap and probably good enough for 90% of the people out there.
Frankly as a consumer which CPU/APU is best really doesn't matter as much as which is best for x dollars. Reply
mino - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkActually I would not be surprised to see a whole bunch of mATX MAINSTREAM boxes sooner than later.
Without the stupid Intel restrictions, despite whose Atom desktops sell, it would not take much time for the Taiwanese juggernauts to flood the market ... Reply
justjc - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkConsidering that the current last generation, the Core2Duo designs, resides in the ~$500 market, the one Zacate will attack, I would say the comparison has merit for comparing the likely competition in 2011. Reply
MonkeyPaw - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkI'm wondering if we have enough info from those demos to guesstimate the number of SPs in Zacate. 200?
Also, I bet the single channel IMC isn't as big a deal since it's DDR3 bandwidth, and the GPU is getting direct CPU/cache access.
Sandy Bridge aside, it looks like netbooks just got a huge kick in the pants! :D Reply
mino - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkGive or take 10 :) Reply
derek85 - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkBased on the info I believe it would be 80 SP, since it packs a Cedar core. And from the performance numbers it looks very much like so. Reply
mschira - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkWell looking at the die shots (massive GPU!) and the fact that it uses 40nm bulk manufactoring, - its a GPU with an inbuilt CPU....
Did AMD allow you to do some non CPU benching?
I wonder how fast the bobcat cores are.
M. Reply
mianmian - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkWe all know AMD zacate has superior GPU than Core I5, but is there any CPU performance number for comparison? Is the single channel RAM the bottleneck for GPU and CPU? Reply
fshaharyar - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkThanks Anand for this Article
Most important aspect was to remove any disparity between the cpu's so Zacate are still not optimised to their full potential so Fusion is still @ around 80-85%.
Intel's performance has still not evolved in terms of graphics. on the cpu aspect it is going to be around 70% of core i5's performance as Zacate will easily blow away Atom.
AMD has always been a generation behind Intel since there Athlon X2 series. they have an opportunity to get back at Intel.
Talking about Llano I wouldn't be surprised that it equates 90% of the performance of Sandy Bridge. Reply
IntelUser2000 - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkIt's good AMD allowed Anand to retest everything. They are being honest about it and that's never bad. Reply
flyck - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkGreat update thanks! clears out alot of confusion. AMD handled the situation great i see. Zacate seems nothing to be sneezed at, running at much lower power and being faster in 3d then the more consuming 2.4Ghz i5-M. So they are indeed a revolution to the very low power market.
SB will have a better gpu for notebooks, but wether they can keep that performance in the 18W range while still having cpu power is a different matter. (needless to say, if zacate can compete with the ULVC with its current size... they have a huge advantage in cost).
Now all we need is launch clockspeeds within their TDP range. Reply
Peciura - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkSandy Bridge is about twice as fast as Core i5. So we have 75% of SB performance in video tasks (http://www.anandtech.com/show/3871/the-sandy-bridg... Still there is question to answer how it compares to Core i5 in office tasks.
Zacate somewhat compares to Radeon HD5470. These numbers explains why "ATI" name is dropped. Reply
flyck - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkdon't forget
Anand test : gpu clock 850 / 1350MHz
mobile (35W) 650 / 1100MHz
So that will also make a difference. Reply
mino - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkExactly, notwithstanding crappy Intel drivers, Zacate and Sandy shall be about equals.
Also keep in mind the ATI GPU's is MUCH less sensitive to the CPU accompanying it. Even less than NV.
Intel still does a bunch of GPU work in the drivers ... Reply
Bitter - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkI be It's a Toshiba notebook. They are really crap. Reply
Mike1111 - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkHow about some CPU benchmarks where the GPU is idle? How does Zacate do as a work machine? Reply
flyck - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkThey mention they could do anything on the Zacate to test the GPU. So there will be no info about the cpu performance. Reply
mino - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkThink Turion 64 X2 TL-54, Athlon 64 X2 3600+ or Yonah 1.8. Reply
Mautaznesh - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 - linkI'd say the bobcats are more like 2.4 ghz Turion m500s.
Games do require a good amount of processing power especially at higher resolutions. an Athlon 64 x2 probably couldn't start Arkham Asylum at 800x600 with low details Reply
mschira - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkIf it does not scale with GPU, does that mean it scales with CPU? If so, we should be even more impressed. Two bobcats on par with a 2.4Ghz Core i5?
Anybody knows what the Psychodelic IE9 does scale with?
M. Reply
mschira - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkP.S. just tested my 2.5Ghz Core 2 with a Nvidial 8400 GS (crap dedicated GPU but still a dedicated GPU) and I got 1779 revelations.
So this little beast is on par with that? Jeeez. Impressive!
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flyck - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkif only it were true >). Psychodelic stops scaling with everything. Even an 800MHz cpu (downclocked) gets around 1800. It just not intesive enough to really stress systems. The hyperbolic (or whatever it name is) is much more taxing, but not sure what it tests. Reply
mschira - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkHm, so maybe it scales with frame rate?
One revelation needs two frames?
one minute is 3600 frames/2 = 1800....
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cynic783 - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkWay to go, both AMD and Anand. Full, open, and honest disclosure was demonstrated here. Reply
Mathos - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkActually, since Zacate is the ultra mobile part for the really low power segment thats very impressive. What kind of info was there on the cpu and gpu clocks of the chip?
Is the iGPU on the Zacate and Llano going to be able to do hybrid crossfire with say the IGP on the 890gx or whatever they plan on releasing to follow it? That's one thing that always interested me. If so that's going to give any entry level or mid range OEM systems a huge boost in graphics power for the buck, and most likely a huge advantage over the Sandy Bridge and other similar Intel offerings.
If this low power ultra portable/netbook/low end notebook cpu is able to compete with the core i5, then it makes me wonder how well the full Llano or Bulldozer based fusion chips are going to do in the mainstream high end. Reply
tech6 - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkAMD must be very confident of their product if they allow journalists complete access to a pre-producton system. This sort of reminds me of how Intel was before the release of the original Core processors. All in all a very good sign for the entry level notebook market.
Well done Anand for not taking the numbers at face value and insisting on further investigation. Reply
Voldenuit - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkBig thanks to all the testers at Anandtech for double-checking this issue. It's not only good practice to cross all one's 't's and dot one's 'i's, but your dedication to the truth and AMD's policy to be transparent are both pivotal to keeping everyone honest.
Although I have to say the bigger kudos go to AMD for extracting that level of performance from a slip of silicon the size of a pinky fingernail. Reply
Donkeyshins - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkI would love to see a mATX or mini-ITX platform with a PCIe x1 slot based off of this platform for a low-power-consumption WE7 Media Center system (paired with a Ceton InfiniTV4 card, of course).
Pretty please? Reply
Shadowmaster625 - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkI am having some difficulty locating benchmarks of the i5-520M gpu or really any list of gpu benchmarks. Dont you think it is time to start adding these to the Bench? Reply
Shadowmaster625 - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkI mean it is hard to find benchmarks for integrated GPUs in general. Reply
Peciura - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkgood place to start
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-46... Reply
justjc - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkCould be because most other sites call it the Core i5 520M
About benches on mobile parts I can recommend taking a look at http://www.notebookcheck.net/ as they have great comparisons of both CPU and GPUs. Reply
mAxius - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkare the people that are asking for this comparison nuts! Zacate is a 40nm bulk cpu that is targeted at the very low end of the notebook segment and other devices. sandy is not targeted anywhere near Zacate in the marketplace. llano will be so people need to wait and see when amd shows that cpu. so far i am extremely impressed that Zacate operates at 1.6 ghz with graphics at 500 mhz @ 40nm bulk is able to compete with a 2.4 ghz 32nm Arrandale with graphics at 733mhz this is a huge win in my book
source for numbers
http://www.fudzilla.com/processors/processors/proc... Reply
mino - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkNobody is nuts here besides you looking like NUT :)
Zacate will, as a matter of fact, be used in low-end notebook where it will directly compete with i3 based devices.
This is actually what AMD is hoping for - to squeeze Intel by Zacate from the bottom, have good price/perf in the mainstream with Llano and *TRY* to squeeze it from the top with Bulldozer chips. Reply
mAxius - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkmaybe i am! though my previous statement stands an 18w 40nm cpu owns a 35w 32nm cpu and its 800 mhz slower cpuwise and 233 mhz slower gfx wise Reply
Mautaznesh - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 - linkI really can't see how Zacate operates at 1.6, it has to be a 2.0 ghz. Reply
jebo - Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - linkIt's really refreshing to see openness and honesty in a day when many companies wouldn't be forthcoming.
Also, it is great to see (FINALLY) some progress on the integrated graphics front.
all around, an article full of good news. Reply
nofumble62 - Thursday, September 16, 2010 - linkNo surprise here that Zacate performs better than old i5core with Intel Integrated graphic. How does it stand against Sandy Bridge? Does AMD bung again? Reply
boomshine - Thursday, September 16, 2010 - linkplease show us first a Sandybridge with the same power consumption as Zacate Reply
Adul - Thursday, September 16, 2010 - linkPlease show us a sandy bridge Reply
mAxius - Thursday, September 16, 2010 - linkzacate it not aimed at sandy bridge so your comparison is unrealistic this a lo end of the notebook cpu and down you will not see this in the same price range as a sandy bridge notebook Reply
piesquared - Thursday, September 16, 2010 - linkFirst, major kudos to AMD on a brilliant chip. Second, minor kudos to Anand for clearing it up.
But there is one glaring issue here. I don't know if this was Anand to the rescue for intel that backfired or not, but it doesn't really matter, as the end result doesn't change and in fact solidifies Fusion's mindshare. I imagine AMD are doing backflips of joy right now, and the they should be this is a revolutionary chip. My question is, if it was so easy do dance in and update intel's platform drivers that took a manual install through device manager, why can't you update AMD's drivers when doing your own reviews? There are Catalyst driver updates monthly, and it's effortless to install them on a desktop platform with no need to manually install anything. In your preview article of sandy bridge you used 9.12 graphics drivers and 8.12 chipset drivers. Judging by your willingness to get to the bottom of things and find out what was going on here, it seems it should have been second nature to do the same in your preview.
Anyway, just wanted to bring that to your attention, and thanks for clearing the mud. Reply
krumme - Thursday, September 16, 2010 - linkDear Anand,
Will you please stop comparing a a zakate to a Intel Atom 525, witout saying something about cost:
Zakate is 74mm2 on cheap TSMC bulk, Atom is 87mm2 - clearly favoring the Atom for performance
Zakate have 413 pins making it cheaper than Atom with 559 pins, Clearly giving Atom the performance edge again
I am sitting here with my Atom and i only get 1,13 FPS in Batman. Clearly you put the comma the wrong place. Please correct the benchmarks.
Btw: You have to do something about the navigating of your homepage. It takes forever. Reply
krumme - Thursday, September 16, 2010 - linkHi Anand
Just an update
Intel just send me the new Atom Ceder Trail platform D6870 HD FR, as i am their best customer.
I still get 1.13 FPS in Batman. Intel told me that the GPU was twice as fast, how can i then get such low FPS then?
Looking forward to future Batman testing on the Atom platform. Reply
LuxZg - Thursday, September 16, 2010 - linkUmm, this article is talking about Core i5 (mobile part), and AMD Zacate.
I have no idea where you see numbers for Cedar Trail (Atom) numbers in this review.
If Intel Core i5-M 520 which is mid-range netbook CPU clocked at 2.4GHz has 12fps in that game, you can't expect anything near it from ATOM which is low-end netbook CPU.
So your Cedar trail ~1 FPS is probably close to true numbers (unless you forgot to install drivers as well). Which is just a nice news for AMD, as 9W Ontario will likely wipe the floor with it while maintaining same power sonsumption.. Reply
t.s - Saturday, September 18, 2010 - linkHaha...
@krumme: Sarcasm, everyone? Reply
Mautaznesh - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 - linkAtom = Crap
It is to be compared to the old AMD Neo Processor. Don't start this ignorant trash. Reply
LuxZg - Thursday, September 16, 2010 - linkI just think that you should have mentioned quite clearly in the article one more thing.
Intel Core i5-520M is 35W TDP part, and Zacate is 18W. So half the power envelope, and yet it offers considerable performance improvements in some scenarios. And I do hope someone hasn't made a mistake and wrote 520M instead of 520UM ;)
Intel Core i5-520M - 35W, 2.40 GHz
Intel Core i5-520UM - 18W, 1.06 GHz
Just the same, it should be pointed that these two Intel CPUs cost more than 200$ per piece, and Zacate aims at finished product costing around 500$.. Reply
Penti - Friday, September 17, 2010 - link$265 plus the rest of the laptop. (CPU+chipset). That's good enough for a 700-900 dollar offer though. The bobcat on the other hand can't cost much more then $100 with chipset. W7HP OEM license is just that $90 - $100 dollars, which just leaves $400 USD left for harddrive, cpu, chipset, motherboard, dvddrive (if that's included), LCD-panel, battery, memory and case. Which don't leave more room then $100 dollars for the CPU/chipset solution. I could image business versions with ~12" panel, 4GB, Zacate and Windows 7 pro for $600 dollars though. So it's not like they really can compete just price wise, a 15" W7P laptops can be had for $600-700 too. They should be able to offer battery life though. Reply
flyck - Thursday, September 16, 2010 - linknot completely true, since zacate will also be used in netbooks. Yes there will are netbooks with <20W chips + zacate will come in flavours but all with the same tdp, the lower grades will consume less and be competing to the high end atoms. But you are true, for the mid end atoms the competitor is ontario. Reply
SandmanWN - Friday, September 17, 2010 - linkIt's listed as both a netbook/notebook part. Reply
Penti - Friday, September 17, 2010 - linkI hope we can get some nice builds now, this should fit well into the home and netbook/small notebook with small price market. Maybe even better in the media player / HTPC market.
The Problems with AMD laptops is always that nobody builds and designs a decent one, you still need good battery life and so on to compete against low end Intel laptops. So you can't skimp on the battery. If you can get a DX11 class GPU, DXVA hardware acceleration, Flash Player acceleration, WebGL (kinda OpenGL ES), half decent dualcore CPU and W7 for less then 500 dollar that's a good buy, especially if you can get a really good battery life and small form factor (they only need a south-bridge and single channel DDR3.). It will make Atoms redundant. I still hope for the bulldozers to make an entry into the notebook space properly though. As Bobcat (Zacate) and Llano can't really compete with Sandy Bridge in performance. And in the business space, they need at least the AMD Dash feature for remote management, and update it to compete with Intel AMT/vPro. They need not only AMD-V and RVI but also AMD-Vi (IOMMU/VT-d), and barebone virtualization of desktops. They need those offerings in a nice packet, for the intended audience, that means support for docking station, DP output and useful business and DTR features. But they will need to build and design a decent and serious AMD laptop and market it as such, and they can't compete against Intel at the same price point if they are not faster or offer anything extra. The K10.5 ones have cost to much. Why sell desktop CPUs for ~100 dollars but notebook up to 200 dollars if they aren't worth it? AMD also needs to make sure their drivers are 100%. You cant even compete against the Intel offerings otherwise. AMD needs to get manufacturers on the band wagon, the need to demonstrate that the platform can do, so they can try to live up to that. Reply
Mautaznesh - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 - linkLlano will basically be a Quad Core Phenom II with updates of course clocked over 3.0 ghz, with I'm going to say , over a 57xx GPU installed. SB will have its mind blown.
But, I'll just have to wait to see. Reply
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hansel2099 - Saturday, September 18, 2010 - linkalfin amd lanza un pro que compita con el atom Reply
Lolimaster - Saturday, September 18, 2010 - linkLos Athlon II /Turion Neo con el 785G ya hacen pedazos al Atom. Cuestan un poco más pero lo valen, estos nuevos Zacate mejoran en bataría y gpu siendo un chip aún más pequeño y por ende equipos de menor precio.
Atom ha sido fue y será basura. Reply
zeke009 - Sunday, September 19, 2010 - linkThrow this in a home media center style case, add a CableCard slot and Windows 7 please. It seems like it might be able to handle being a dedicated HTPC. No gaming on it, just TV and some media sharing/viewing within the home. Reply
Vallwesture - Monday, September 20, 2010 - linkIt's good to see that AMD released their Ultra-Low-Power processor in recent days. If this one, Zacate, can have better performance than Intel Core i-xxx, that will be great. Also, we do not want to see the delay of AMD's new CPU, just give me the best right now. Reply
Customize_Your_Sleep - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 - linkIm hoping they will release these for low powered desktop, if so I will definitely get one.
I'm not a fan of laptops since I dont need a computer everywhere I go,but I would like to build a itsy bitsy pc.
Btw how would the cpu compare in application performence vs the athlon II x2 255, faster or slower? Reply
Mautaznesh - Tuesday, September 21, 2010 - linkI see Ontario annihilating the atom.
The atom hasn't changed in forever, and has been used in netbooks and intel pentiums in lower class notebooks.
Ontario and Zacate will completely own the mobile region $700 and down. Reply
teekblang - Friday, December 10, 2010 - linkOEm can make a killing if they make a bunch of netbook/ultra light notebook (10.1 to 11.6 inches) and desktop, super entry level server MB base from one base platform
here 's is what I have in mind.
1.240 pin DDR3/1333 ECC or NON ecc. A MB should use it if ECC is present.
2. put DCtoDC converter like the D945SEJT.
3. Mini ITX with headers (just pins) for all the non essentials like HDMI/DVI and the freeking tall audio.
Just a "1U" mini ITX with two USB, one purple ps/2, one ETH, one PCIE slot, 3 raid0 sata2(3g), and a single VGA..
Universal MB that should be customizable for Light duty server, Desktop and possibly netbook/cheap notebook. Fast, small quiet mini HTPC and green is the name of the game.. Reply
vipink1berwal - Saturday, January 15, 2011 - linkWill this apu zatac be a better one than an i7 too if developed versions are considered
I also have no knowledge of the graphics card power of this apu
Actually i m an amateur amd need data as benchmarks are considered
Yes from article it is true that i5 fails in front of apu
but is this for i7 too
and what about equivalence og graphics card
1 ghz of apu+=what specs of i cores
and what gbs of a graphics card??
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