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NOTE: This article contains disturbing content that may be triggering for some readers.
By Yamiche Alcindor, Donna Leinwand Leger and Gary Strauss
School bus driver charged with rape, kidnapping of three young women who were held captive for years at his west Cleveland home.
CLEVELAND -- The man at whose home three women were found after a decade of captivity was charged Wednesday with multiple counts of kidnapping and rape.
Ariel Castro, 52, faces three counts of rape and four counts of kidnapping involving victims Amanda Berry, Gina DeJesus, and Michelle Knight. The three vanished between 2002 and 2004. Castro was also charged with kidnapping in connection with Berry's six-year-old daughter, Jocelyn, who was also found at the home Monday and is believed to be Castro's child.
A police report obtained by Cleveland TV station WKYC paints a chilling portrait of the women's ordeal, including beatings, chained confinement and death threats. It also alleges that Castro impregnated Knight five times, then punched her in the stomach until she miscarried. Castro, the report said, also forced Knight to deliver Berry's baby in a plastic kiddie pool and threatened to murder Knight if the newborn died.
Castro is scheduled to be arraigned Thursday at 8:30 a.m. Additional charges against the former school bus driver could be filed at a later date.
The felony charges against Castro came 48 hours after Berry - now 27 - made a frantic flight from Castro's Seymour Avenue home early Monday evening. Authorities say that may have been the first opportunity any of the victims had to escape. According to the police report, Berry told police that Castro forgot to lock the "big inside door" of the home when when he left Monday to a nearby McDonald's.
The report said Castro lured the victims into his car on separate occasions and kept their presence in his west Cleveland home a secret for more than a decade. All three were chained up in the basement, but Castro eventually freed them to live on the second floor.
The women had been outside Castro's home just twice since their kidnapping, but kept just steps away at a detached garage on the property. Even for those brief moments outside, Castro allegedly forced the women to disguise themselves in hats, wigs and sunglasses, Cleveland Deputy Police Chief Ed Tomba said.
Castro's brothers, Pedro and Onil, were also arrested Monday. But Victor Perez, chief deputy prosecutor for Cleveland, said there is no evidence that either brother - who did not live at Ariel Castro's home - were involved in any crimes against the women or Berry's daughter. "Ariel kept everyone at a distance," Tomba said."you didn't go into his house. You called before you came over. He ran the show. he was the big bulky."
Pedro and Onil face Thursday court hearings on outstanding misdemeanor warrants, Perez said.
Earlier Wednesday, Berry and DeJesus returned to their Cleveland homes, where they were surrounded by family and friends. Knight was still in a Cleveland hospital.
DeJesus, wearing a lime green hoodie, stepped from a car, and gave a thumbs up as the crowd chanted "Gina! Gina!" A woman then pulled her into a tight embrace and hustled her inside through a forest of flowers and balloons.
Nancy Ruiz, DeJesus' mother, thanked those who had helped the family over the past nine years. "Even the ones that doubted, I want to thank them the most," she said. "They're the ones that made me stronger, the ones that made me feel the most that my daughter was out there."
Gina's aunt, Sandra Ruiz, called on friends, relatives and the media "to give us time and privacy to heal."
"There are not enough words to say or express the joy that we feel with the return of our family member, Gina," she said. "And now Amanda Berry, the daughter, and Michelle Knight, who is our family also.''
Ruiz also called on the community to help search for Ashley Summers, another young woman from the area who went missing at the age of 14 in 2007.
Earlier, Berry arrived at her sister's home accompanied by the daughter police believe was fathered by Castro.
They were also greeted by a porch covered by balloons, flowers, teddy bears and a huge sign proclaiming : "Welcome home, Amanda."
It was her first sight of the modest, two-story home since she disappeared on April 21, 2003 — a day before her 17th birthday — after telling her sister she was getting a ride home from her job at a Burger King. Berry's mother, Louwana Miller, never gave up hope that her daughter would surface. But she died in 2006.
A tearful Beth Serrano, Berry's sister, spoke briefly to reporters in front of the house to thank the public and the news media for their support and to request privacy for the family "until we are ready to make our statements."
Berry, 27, DeJesus, 23, and Knight, 32, were freed after Berry's screams for help alerted a neighbor, who helped free her. After she called 911 from a borrowed cellphone, police arrived at Castro's home, where they checked the basement and then walked to the second floor.
The police report said Knight threw herself into the arms of an officer. When he put Knight down, Dejus jumped into his arms.
Berry, who arrived home in a convoy escorted by police, had been with her family at an undisclosed location since her rescue. "She wants to come home to be with her sister," Cleveland Police 1st District Cmdr. Thomas McCartney said moments before her arrival.
"What a relief to us all as a community that they are finally home and thank God that they are alive," he said.
Police have said they were delaying any intense debriefing of the victims until they adjust to their unexpected freedom.
Police Chief Michael McGrath said Wednesday that while they were held captive, the three young women had been "bound and there were chains and ropes in the hall."
McGrath told NBC's Savannah Guthrie that the three women's physical condition was "very good considering the circumstances."
McGrath said that the suspects in the case are "talking" but would not say if they have confessed to the alleged abduction and years of sexual abuse of the three women.
Cleveland City councilman Brian Cummins, who spoke to authorities about the case, said the three women were subjected to sexual abuse for a prolonged period and had several miscarriages.
The women and child were freed after a neighbor, alerted to Berry's screams, rushed over to the house, and kicked in the lower part of the door. Berry, dressed in pajamas and sandals, tearfully used a borrowed cellphone to call 911.
"I've been kidnapped and I've been missing for 10 years and I'm free now," Berry told the dispatcher.
Police arrived within minutes and freed the others.
Castro allegedly forced all three women to have sex, resulting in up to five pregnancies, according to a report by Cleveland's WKYC-TV. The station, quoting unnamed law enforcement sources, reported that the the women were also subjected to beatings while they were pregnant, with several fetuses not surviving. Police did not publicly confirm the report.
Berry disappeared in disappeared in 2003. DeJesus, then 14, went missing in 2004 on her way home from school. Knight, then 20, disappeared in August 2002. She was last seen at her cousin's home.
Separately, information has surfaced on Ariel Castro's relationship with Grimilda Figueroa, mother of four of his children. In 2005, Figueroa got a temporary protective order against Castro after she complained that he broken her nose, ribs, dislocated her shoulder and knocked out her tooth.
Castro threatened multiple times to kill her and a daughter, Figueroa's attorney wrote on the petition. Since 1997, Figueroa had sole custody of the children fathered by Castro - Ariel, Angie, Emily and Arlene. They lived with her full time in a house on Liberty Avenue in Cleveland. But, the attorney wrote, Castro "frequently abducts daughters and keeps them from mother."
The protective order that barred Castro from coming near her or the children noted that Castro has access to firearms and deputies attempting to enforce the order should "proceed with caution."
Castro challenged the order and when Figueroa's attorney was unable to appear at a November hearing, the judge dissolved the protective order on Nov. 21, 2005.
(To read original article, visit this USA Today link [1])
[1] http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/08/cleveland-kidnap-captured-chains-ropes/2143885/
[2] http://www.nsvrc.org/news/news-field


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AMD Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition Review: Battling For The Performance Crownby Ryan Smith on 6/22/2012 12:01 AM EST
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clumsyalex - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkthe first chart, the regular 7970 is priced higher than the ghz edition. the second chart shows it as lower however Reply
Ryan Smith - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkActually those are a list of launch prices up top. The 7970 launched at $550, which is indeed higher than the $500 launch price of the 7970GE. Reply
EnerJi - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkIt's confusing and misleading. The first thing I thought when I saw it was that you had accidentally reversed the prices between the two models. Reply
Iketh - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkthat certainly isn't what I thought... i understood what was being presented to me Reply
CeriseCogburn - Saturday, June 23, 2012 - linkI love how amd has a birthday for tahiti at 6 months....
Why wait a year for a birthday when you're a lying sack of crap corporate monster rip off crummy drivers fan boy mass brainwash co ?
Heck, two birthdays a year !!! amd is so great, they get two birthdays a year ! Reply
silverblue - Monday, June 25, 2012 - linkPeople in the first few months of a relationship like to mention anniversaries a lot despite the (rather obvious) point that the word denotes a yearly period. "Milestone" would be more appropriate though it does sound less glamourous and perhaps a bit pessimistic (well, in the case of relationships, anyway). Might even seem cynical. Reply
Captmorgan09 - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkJust read the chart and it's not confusing... I did a double take the first time I glanced at it, but when I actually read it it made perfect sense. :) Reply
Ryan Smith - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkIn case it's not clear, since we have a price comparison chart at the bottom, the purpose of the prices up top is to help describe the cards. The fact that the 7970GE is listed for $500 next to the $550 7970 for example is to make it clear that it's launching at a lower price than the 7970. It helps offer some perspective on capabilities and the market segment it's designed for.
That said, we can always get rid of it if it's a problem. Reply
QChronoD - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkCould I suggest adding when they launched on the line right above the prices? I can easily see how that is confusing, but also knowing how old each generation would be useful to see. Reply
Ryan Smith - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkNow that's an excellent idea! Reply
Belard - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkAgreed. Reply
Articuno - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkA whole new card launch and yet another pair of similarly named but differently performing products because they changed a few numbers that anyone can in several free, easily available programs.
I suppose they can do this because you can actually buy their products though, unlike the 6XX series. Reply
ExarKun333 - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkYeah, tough to find 6xx products indeed. There is something called the 'internet' you could check out. Your buddy who posted for you might be able to help you out. ;) Reply
Pantsu - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkI doubt any AIB will actually release GE cards with reference cooling. Most likely they will be custom cooled, so the loudness of the reference card is a bit of a moot point.
It's good to see some decent driver improvements from AMD. I'm still quite happy about 7970 performance at 5760x1080, and it's enough for most games when OC'd. It would be interesting to see though, whether the GE has improved the max OC. Most likely it's no better though, and you'll be better off buying an old custom 7970 for a good price and OC'ing it to the same levels as the GE. Reply
dagamer34 - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkThe GE chips are better binned parts, one would assume that they have a bit more room for higher clocks than the normal 7970 parts. Certainly the average overclock will be higher. Reply
CeriseCogburn - Saturday, June 23, 2012 - linkSo we can deduce that the prior 7970 overclocks were sucking down an even larger amount of enormous electrical power as those chips are of lower bin.
I guess we need an overclocked power suction chart with an extended table for the amd housefire 7970.
Any savings on card price or a few frames at a resolution near no one owns will be gobbled up by your electric bill every month for years - save 1 watt or 9 watts at extended idle, but when you game it's 100+ watts and beyond with the overclocked 7970 - maybe they should be $300 with 3 games. Reply
silverblue - Monday, June 25, 2012 - linkWell, it works both ways. You won't always be gaming, in addition there's all that compute hardware that, if properly harnessed, would save you money over competing solutions because you'd get the job done quicker. It used to be pointless to consider using anything for compute that wasn't a Quadro, Tesla or even FirePro, however those days are coming to an end.
Having a 7970 will make sense for compute if that's your bag (there's a reason for the die size plus the extra memory and bus width), but this time, NVIDIA enjoys a performance/watt advantage which might go unchallenged for a while. Unless, of course, that extra hardware on the 7970 is properly leveraged; future games, perhaps? Reply
ltcommanderdata - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkSo do we think this will encourage nVidia to release a GeForce GK110 based product in the next few months rather than restrict it to Tesla? Reply
PsiAmp - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkNvidia isn't holding GK110 in its sleeve waiting for something. It is unfinished in the first place and there's no manufacturing capacity to produce such a large chip. Nvidia still struggles to fix GK104 design to have good yields. GK110 would be impossible to produce in since it is twice bigger and such will have at least 4 times less yield.
Server market is not only much more profitable, it is operating on a contract basis. Nvidia will start to produce Tesla K20 in Q4 2012.
IF(?) desktop card based on GK110 will hit the market it won't be sooner than Q1 2013. And it is not something that you can change really. Reply
silverblue - Friday, June 22, 2012 - link"Of course this isn't the first time we've had a hot & loud card on our hands – historically it happens to NVIDIA a lot – but when NVIDIA gets hot & loud they bring the performance necessary to match it. Such was the case with the GTX 480, a notably loud card that also had a 15% performance advantage on AMD's flagship. AMD has no such performance advantage here, and that makes the 7970GE's power consumption and noise much harder to justify even with a "performance at any cost" philosophy."
Very true, however the power consumption and heat difference between the 5870 and the 480 was definitely more pronounced.
The 680 is an incredible card, no doubt about it. It may not win in some titles, but it's hardly anywhere near unplayable either. AMD being right there at the very high end is fantastic but unless titles truly make use of GCN's compute ability, the extra power and noise are going to be hard to swallow. Still, I'd own either. :P Reply
piroroadkill - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkWhile the noise is bad - the manufacturers are going to spew out non-reference, quiet designs in moments, so I don't think it's an issue. Reply
silverblue - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkToms added a custom cooler (Gelid Icy Vision-A) to theirs which reduced noise and heat noticably (about 6 degrees C and 7-8 dB). Still, it would be cheaper to get the vanilla 7970, add the same cooling solution, and clock to the same levels; that way, you'd end up with a GHz Edition clocked card which is cooler and quieter for about the same price as the real thing, albeit lacking the new boost feature. Reply
ZoZo - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkWould it be possible to drop the 1920x1200 definition for test? 16/10 is dead, 1080p has been the standard for high definition on PC monitors for at least 4 years now, it's more than time to catch up with reality... Sorry for the rant, I'm probably nitpicking anyway... Reply
Reikon - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkUh, no. 16:10 at 1920x1200 is still the standard for high quality IPS 24" monitors, which is a fairly typical choice for enthusiasts. Reply
paraffin - Saturday, June 23, 2012 - linkI haven't been seeing many 16:10 monitors around thesedays, besides, since AT even tests iGPU performance at ANYTHING BUT 1080p your "enthusiast choice" argument is invalid. 16:10 is simply a l33t factor in a market dominated by 16:9. I'll take my cheap 27" 1080p TN's spaciousness and HD content nativiness over your pricy 24" 1200p IPS' "quality" anyday. Reply
CeriseCogburn - Saturday, June 23, 2012 - linkI went over this already with the amd fanboys.
For literally YEARS they have had harpy fits on five and ten dollar card pricing differences, declaring amd the price perf queen.
Then I pointed out nVidia wins in 1920x1080 by 17+% and only by 10+% in 1920x1200 - so all of a sudden they ALL had 1920x1200 monitors, they were not rare, and they have hundreds of extra dollars of cash to blow on it, and have done so, at no extra cost to themselves and everyone else (who also has those), who of course also chooses such monitors because they all love them the mostest...
Then I gave them egg counts, might as well call it 100 to 1 on availability if we are to keep to their own hyperactive price perf harpying, and the lowest available higher rez was $50 more, which COST NOTHING because it helps amd, of course....
I pointed out Anand pointed out in the then prior article it's an ~11% pixel difference, so they were told to calculate the frame rate difference... (that keeps amd up there in scores and winning a few they wouldn't otherwise).
Dude, MKultra, Svengali, Jim Wand, and mass media, could not, combined, do a better job brainwashing the amd fan boy.
Here's the link, since I know a thousand red-winged harpies are ready to descend en masse and caw loudly in protest...
1920x1080: " GeForce GTX680 is on average 17.61% more efficient than the Radeon 7970.
Here, the performance difference in favor of the GTX680 are even greater"
So they ALL have a 1920x1200, and they are easily available, the most common, cheap, and they look great, and most of them have like 2 or 3 of those, and it was no expense, or if it was, they are happy to pay it for the red harpy from hades card. Reply
silverblue - Monday, June 25, 2012 - linkYour comparison article is more than a bit flawed. The PCLab results, in particular, have been massively updated since that article. Looks like they've edited the original article, which is a bit odd. Still, AMD goes from losing badly in a few cases to not losing so badly after all, as the results on this article go to show. They don't displace the 680 as the best gaming card of the moment, but it certainly narrows the gap (even if the GHz Edition didn't exist).
Also, without a clear idea of specs and settings, how can you just grab results for a given resolution from four or five different sites for each card, add them up and proclaim a winner? I could run a comparison between a 680 and 7970 in a given title with the former using FXAA and the latter using 8xMSAA, doesn't mean it's a good comparison. I could run Crysis 2 without any AA and AF at all at a given resolution on one card and then put every bell and whistle on for the other - without the playing field being even, it's simply invalid. Take each review at its own merits because at least then you can be sure of the test environment.
As for 1200p monitors... sure, they're more expensive, but it doesn't mean people don't have them. You're just bitter because you got the wrong end of the stick by saying nobody owned 1200p monitors then got slapped down by a bunch of 1200p monitor owners. Regardless, if you're upset that NVIDIA suddenly loses performance as you ramp up the vertical resolution, how is that AMD's fault? Did it also occur to you that people with money to blow on $500 graphics cards might actually own good monitors as well? I bet there are some people here with 680s who are rocking on 1200p monitors - are you going to rag (or shall I say "rage"?) on them, too?
If you play on a 1080p panel then that's your prerogative, but considering the power of the 670/680/7970, I'd consider that a waste. Reply
FMinus - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkSimply put; No!
1080p is the second worst thing that happened to the computer market in the recent years. The first worst thing being phasing out 4:3 monitors. Reply
Tegeril - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkYeah seriously, keep your 16:9, bad color reproduction away from these benchmarks. Reply
kyuu - Friday, June 22, 2012 - link16:10 snobs are seriously getting out-of-touch when they start claiming that their aspect ratio gives better color reproduction. There are plenty of high-quality 1080p IPS monitors on the market -- I'm using one.
That being said, it's not really important whether it's benchmarked at x1080 or x1200. There is a neglible difference in the number of pixels being drawn (one of the reasons I roll my eyes at 16:10 snobs). If you're using a 1080p monitor, just add anywhere from 0.5 to 2 FPS to the average FPS results from x1200.
Disclaimer: I have nothing *against* 16:10. All other things being equal, I'd choose 16:10 over 16:9. However, with 16:9 monitors being so much cheaper, I can't justify paying a huge premium for a measily 120 lines of vertical resolution. If you're willing to pay for it, great, but kindly don't pretend that doing so somehow makes you superior. Reply
CeriseCogburn - Saturday, June 23, 2012 - linkThey can justify it, the are the amd fanboy. Ever DOLLAR counts when it comes to card pricing, five or ten bucks makes amd the WINNER !!!!!!!! and greatest card value ever for enthusiasts !!!!!!!!!!!
But then, moments later, the nearly unavailable and much more expensive montior is all theirs, at their bosom (moments before they harped amd wins in high rez triple screen no matter the data) - now suddenly they have a 1920x1200 IPS or whatever...
Here's why...
1920x1080: " GeForce GTX680 is on average 17.61% more efficient than the Radeon 7970.
Here, the performance difference in favor of the GTX680 are even greater "
1920x1200: " GeForce GTX680 is on average 10.14% more efficient than the Radeon 7970.
At slightly higher resolution appears to have slightly worse performance of the new card (compared to 1920x1080). "
That's an over 7% performance difference overall... nVidia still kicks amd's lousy second placer, but it's not SO embarrassing at 17%+....
See, now they all love 1920x1200 and will DEMAND as hyper-harpies that anand keep the monitor rez as is...
In the end it will just be anand "listening" to it's fan base.... R O F L
Dude, they COULD just run their 1920x1200 in 1920x1080 for the benches - it's not hard at all - but you know... amd doesn't look better than crappy as heck then.. Reply
CeriseCogburn - Saturday, June 23, 2012 - linklink (since the descending swarm won't see it above)
http://translate.google.pl/translate?hl=pl&sl=... Reply
silverblue - Monday, June 25, 2012 - linkI couldn't care less which it is as long as the image is good. I do think you're downplaying the framerate advantage of 1080p over 1200p though as we're talking an extra 11% screen area going from one to the other.
1200p used to be far more common and Apple are one of the manufacturers keeping it alive (along with 4:3 ratios). Reply
Ananke - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkReal good dudes use 1920*1200 Reply
silverblue - Monday, June 25, 2012 - linkNah. With a card like these, I'd rather use 2560xwhatever. :P Reply
Zok - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkMaybe I missed it in the article, but does the lack of hardware changes mean that existing 7970s can be "upgraded" by being flashed with a 7970GE BIOS (so long as they can hit the clock speeds)? Reply
haukionkannel - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkNo it can not be upgraded... So what else has been changed?
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7970... Reply
Zok - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkWell that's disappointing. Wonder if there are hardware changes or a workaround is possible. Reply
haukionkannel - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkYou said that you may use some extra setting for Scyrim... How about using some popular extra large texturemap upgrade? It would be more punishing to use those larger texturemaps, and In Scyrim, like Oblivion before, those texturemaps are guitep popular among users of more poverfull graphic cards! Reply
milkod2001 - Friday, June 22, 2012 - link7950/70 games+computing /trade off :noise+power less efficient
670/80 games/trade off:weak in computing
the only card I find as a good choice would be 670 but it needs to get to 300-350 price level Reply
piroroadkill - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkThere will be custom designs with nice quiet coolers flooding the market in no time.. Reply
raghu78 - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkhttp://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7970...
"There's a silver lining on this one, though. Ahead of this review, I let AMD know about our acoustic concerns and the company claims that most partner boards will employ third-party cooling, not its reference configuration."
So noise is not an issue at all. Cards like sapphire with dual x , gigabyte with windforce, powercolor with PCS+ have good cooler designs. Power will be more. But the Radeon HD 7970 Ghz edition frankly more than makes up for that with its performance at 1600p and multi monitor setups.
If you are on a 1080p monitor and want perf/watt , price perf and a cooler setup go for custom GTX 670. For the rest who have 1600p or multi monitor frankly there is only one option - a custom Radeon HD 7970 card or a custom Radeon HD 7970 Ghz edition. Reply
CeriseCogburn - Saturday, June 23, 2012 - linkHogwash, the GTX 680's and GTX 670's are still SMOOTHER, and more enjoyable at high rez and multi monitor.
Check the hundreds of reviews. Reply
Tuvok86 - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkAMD should have released a balanced 7970 in the first place, somewhere halfway in performance between the 7970 and GE. Now they have an overconservative card and an powerhungry monster Reply
Reikon - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkOn page 3:
"For AMD the 7970GE will be launching with the Catalyst 10.7 beta, while NVIDIA has released the 304.48 betas for the entire lineup."
I think you mean 12.7 Reply
Ryan Smith - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkWhoops. Thanks. Reply
fausto412 - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkWill these new Power Tune and overclocking advancements trickle down 6900 series cards to unleash more performance safely?
What would prevent AMD from affective the 6990 with these new advancements? Reply
kyuu - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkThese features would require a new BIOS. As far as I'm aware, AMD does not support flashing their cards with new BIOS. Anyway, there's nothing there that you can't acheive via normal overclocking anyway (asides from the slightly better chip binning). Reply
silverblue - Friday, June 22, 2012 - link...Another Mention (of) Deterministic, it seems. Reply
gonchuki - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkDid you try reaching AMD to comment on the rather low performance ceiling on Skyrim? looks as if their drivers are way more CPU hungry than Nvidia's and that's why they are getting capped at a lower rate.
Maybe that's what usually hinders performance in other CPU limited titles like WoW? Reply
AnnihilatorX - Friday, June 22, 2012 - link"All the same AMD has also boosted their memory clocks from 5.5GHz to 6GHz, which will give the card 9% more memory bandwidth with it needs it."
"when it needs it" Reply
raghu78 - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkRyan
As you mentioned Dirt Showdown will take the place of Dirt 3 in your test suite I would like to make a suggestion that a few more games be changed. Max Payne 3 and Alan Wake are good changes. Maybe Crysis Warhead could be replaced by Alan Wake and Portal 2 by Max Payne 3. Another very demanding game which could find a place is Witcher 2 Enhanced edition. Focusing on games released in the last 12 months in your test suite helps prospective buyers / gamers decide based on performance on recent titles which they will most probably be playing. Reply
HighTech4US - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkYou are showing the OCed version of the 7970e in comparison to the stock GTX680.
For fairness the stock GTX680 should be Overclocked also. Reply
kyuu - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkThere's nothing fair or unfair about overclocking. Why do people bring this up every time there's one of these articles... Reply
CeriseCogburn - Saturday, June 23, 2012 - linkGood to hear it this time, as all the prior moaning has been amd fans wailing that the 680 core is already overclocked out of the box !
I just want to see the 470, 480, 570, and 580 at the equivalent radeon clocks for those series, and see amd get SPANKED even more in those series.... to be fair, of course....
Yes, thanks so much for saying "you guys always say it" - no - it's not "you guys" - it's the amd fan boys !
This time they didn't moan and complain about fairness, because amd got beat anyway, and they wouldn't if it won, which it did not, I must point out, feeling the overwhelming need to state, again, and again.
This sums it up well: AMD loses, as usual
seapeople - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkThey're also comparing the OCed version of the 7970e to the stock 7970e. That seems unfair to me. To be fair, you should only compare the OCed 7970e to itself, the OCed 7970e. Reply
Arbie - Friday, June 22, 2012 - link
It's probably too late now, but there were at least three more places where you could have used "performance crown" in the opening paragraphs. Reply
CeriseCogburn - Saturday, June 23, 2012 - linkAmd LIED, with their false advertising about this card - their hot loud slow housefire...
Amd is an evil corporate monster who lies to the little children they sell their products to (and to soccer Mommies who actually pay the card price to keep the lies going - granted they pay less than Abu Dhabi oil sheiks) Reply
Wreckage - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkAnother successful paperlaunch
I'm not sure why they could not wait until they had actual product available. Reply
behrouz - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkAMD Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition = $499
AMD Radeon HD 7970 = $549 ? or $449 ? Reply
behrouz - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linknevermind i got it Reply
Lepton87 - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkI don't agree that 7970GHz isn't any faster than GTX680.
Just look at the performance summaries. At 2560x1600 it's clearly the faster card. Reply
Homeles - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkKeep in mind, every 680 boosts differently. Every site is going to have different opinions because of this. Reply
CeriseCogburn - Saturday, June 23, 2012 - linkThat's why a collated average is so helpful.
Summary of results at a resolution of 2560x1600:
GeForce GTX680 is on average 32.36% more efficient than GeForce GTX580,
GeForce GTX680 is on average 6.39% more efficient than the Radeon 7970. "
The GTX 680 wins. It's clear beyond any amd fanboys illusions, wishes, and fantasies, most often stated every time, till the day they croak it.
It's "their opinion" though, so "it's not wrong"... (if that tracks as true for you check your forehead for 3 stamped letters.) Reply
thebluephoenix - Sunday, June 24, 2012 - linkEfficiency? You know that 5870 was far more efficient than GTX480. 6970 also compared well to GTX 580.
Before calling people fanboys be sure that you aren't one.
For me it's simple, 7970 has good compute performance, and GTX 680 has PhysX.
7970 GE = 7970 OC Edition, still a very good card. Reply
CeriseCogburn - Tuesday, June 26, 2012 - linkIt's the wording used by the collator, a foreigner no doubt, "efficiency" you fool, since you didn't check the link.
It MEANS FRAME RATE.
Leave it to the retarded, once again, to jump, screech, and FAIL. Reply
thebluephoenix - Thursday, June 28, 2012 - linkEfficiency usually means energy efficiency. Perf/Watt, (or rMAX/rPeak, on Top500 site).
Except for google translated polish pages, obviously.
Frame rate is speed, so the card is faster, not more efficient.
Go now, be (nV)idiot somewhere else. Reply
CeriseCogburn - Saturday, June 30, 2012 - linkIt is ALSO more efficient. How clueless are you still ? Why do clueless Cluseau's respond ?
Look, if you ever decide to click the link and take a gander for an hour or two ( my estimation about how long it would take for you to get a round opinion of the massive database of the most popular reviewers concerning these tow cards, don't get back to me.
A gigantic thank you would be nice but I'm not expecting it.
Maybe silverblue needs a friend too, then you can spew name calling together, and giggle, that is likely the extent of the mental capacities, so have at it. Reply
silverblue - Friday, June 29, 2012 - linkYet amusingly, you failed to point out the error of the author's ways before somebody here pulled you up on it... I doubt that efficiency is a word that can be mis-translated; the author just used the wrong term. The very fact that you quoted two lines with the same incorrect term proves that you were happy enough to treat it - as is so often in your case - as factual. If anything, the 680 is probably something in the region of 10-15% more efficient per frame than the 7970 based off the collated results on that article, notwithstanding the fact that drivers have been significantly revised for both architectures since then.
You also stated that the article was '"their opinion" though, so "it's not wrong"' but you slate everybody else's conflicting opinions as wrong. Am I the only person seeing an issue with this approach?
I'm really confused as to why you even bother to visit here except to be a class-A troll, and I'm going to take some of my own advice and flat out ignore you from now on unless you actually say something of any use. Ordinarily, I wouldn't tell others what to do but on this occasion, I implore them to follow suit. We should put you in a room with Beenthere just for the hell of it. Reply
CeriseCogburn - Saturday, June 30, 2012 - linkYou're goners in the head dude.
The article, which you still obviously never looked at (as it will crush your amd fan heart), collates reviews from around the web, including this sites.
It's not an opinion, it's FACTS, as best we can get them, in one BIG mathematically deduced pile, and the word is meant to be FRAME RATES, which of course is all you amd fan boys claim you care about, unless of course you were spewing about eyefinity without 3 monitors and no $100 adapter that took a year and a half to come down to $35 not available...
Just face the facts for once, like a man. Reply
raghu78 - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkCorrect. for gaming at the highest settings on ultra high resolution single monitor and multi monitor configurations there is only one leader in the market. Its the Radeon HD 7970 Ghz edition.
Look at the 2560x 1600 extreme and 5760 x 1080 perf average. The HD 7970 Ghz edition is faster .
From the review
"In our opinion and with all other things being equal, the HD 7970 GHz Edition is the card to have for ultra high resolution gaming" Reply
CeriseCogburn - Saturday, June 23, 2012 - linkFrom the review: " What we have here is a statistical tie so the consumer's performance-oriented choice will ultimately come down to brand preference."
Yes, of course.... cherry picking again... so take a hot loud, housefire electrical sucking earth destroying sack of driver crap... it's the best card, of course...
That's great... all the penny pinchers here are right on it, I'm sure... Reply
silverblue - Monday, June 25, 2012 - linkFermi?
Low blow, I admit. Reply
CeriseCogburn - Tuesday, June 26, 2012 - linkThe FERMI's performance blew the amd card to shreds.
In this case, the house fire amd card sucks the low end of everything, an epic fail on every single metric, and amd has crap for compute software support so they lose there as well, just like any card loses when their driver software sucks in games.
Worse yet, amd often takes years to fix anything, if ever...then drops support.
Fermi WON when it "insulted you".
Housefire amd loses everything - total freakin LOSER. Reply
raghu78 - Tuesday, June 26, 2012 - linkFYI there are reviews showing much bigger wins
10 - 12% perf lead . So its not as simple as you think. The fact of the matter is Nvidia GTX 680 is losing the majority of games - Deus Ex, Alan Wake, Anno 2070, Crysis 2, Witcher 2, Witcher 2 EE, Dirt 3, Skyrim, Dirt Showdown, Crysis Warhead, Metro 2033. Also the margins in some of the games is very big - Dirt Showdown (50%), Crysis Warhead (15 - 25% depending on resolution) , Metro 2033 (20%), Witcher 2 (20%) , Anno (15%). Nvidia's wins in Shogun 2 clearly. BF3 is not a consistent win when you compare many reviews. Even Batman AC which runs better on GTX 680 with FXAA , runs faster on HD 7970 Ghz edition with 8X MSAA. So its clearly a case of you being in denial mode. so go on keep ridiculing others if that makes you happy. Reply
CeriseCogburn - Tuesday, June 26, 2012 - linkHey fanboy, your summary page shows the 680 at their weighted average special importance to each game 127 frames, and 7970, 127 frames.
LOL - Amazing how you got 20% and 50% from EQUAL.
I tell you, the lies and spinning exceed political debate norms. Reply
CeriseCogburn - Tuesday, June 26, 2012 - linkFrom your link, Dirt Showdown, where you have just claimed a 50% lead for 7970...
" If the GeForce GTX 680 Radeon HD 7970 equals 1080p without advanced lighting, when it activated its dive performance, Nvidia does not have access to this patch soon enough that in order to propose specific optimizations. It will probably take one to two weeks for this to be corrected."
Let's see 0% or a tie = amd ahead by 50% !!!! according to raghu
LOL - I guess it's all in your heads - not even the reviewers own words can rallte the fantasies of amd out of control fanboys.
I'd say you're trolling but i think the fanboy and lack of intellect has you "doing what you believed was correct".
I could be wrong here, for the 1st time ever, though. Reply
meloz - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkExcellent review, Ryan!
Performance is great, but the noise is a big issue. I hope in future manufacturers pay more attention to this aspect. Reply
kyuu - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkThe 7970GE isn't a card to buy with a reference cooling solution, obviously. With custom cooling solutions, the noise/temp won't be an issue. It's doubtful you'll see many, if any, manufacturers even release this card with the reference cooler. Reply
CeriseCogburn - Saturday, June 23, 2012 - linkSo amd sucks, but it's all good.
Maybe that should be their new pr slogan. Reply
HighTech4US - Tuesday, June 26, 2012 - linkLOL
AMD sucks, but in a good way Reply
Margalus - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkIn the normal clock tests you test 5760x1200 which is a very good thing. Could you not do the same resolution with your overclock tests as well? I would really like to see how triple monitor performance is overclocked.
Another thing I was wondering, does running triple monitor at 5760x1200 increase power usage of the card or make it run hotter? Reply
Ryan Smith - Friday, June 22, 2012 - link1) Obviously it's a bit too late for that in this article, but we can certainly look into doing that for future articles.
2) Generally speaking, no. Unless a card is already operating well under its PT limit (in which case the game is likely CPU-bound), increasing the resolution doesn't significantly shift the power consumption. The actual display controllers are effectively "free" at these power levels. Reply
Margalus - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkthanks Reply
medi01 - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkNot retaking back performance crown? Reply
cmdrdredd - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkNope because it doesn't win every single benchmark. Just because it wins one resolution doesn't equate to being the fastest one. Reply
CeriseCogburn - Tuesday, June 26, 2012 - linkIf any of these people had been paying any attention at all in between articles ( meaning checking on the net) they would already know it takes about 1250 on the 7970 core to equal the 680oc.
1000 doesn't do it. 1050 nope. 1150 nay.
Hexus already proved same core speed results in the 7970 behind. That's already been linked in replies.. so here it is because the amd fans will descend calling names and declaring liar (though they likely saw it before and just can't for the fanboy of themremember, as most brains use the delete key a lot)
http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/37209-gefor... Reply
RaistlinZ - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkMy regular stock 7970 overclocks higher than this Ghz Edition, and does it on lower voltages. At least this makes the prices drop on regular 7970's. Reply
owendingding - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkI think we can find a 7970ghz edition bios and put it on a regular 7970 and achieve the same performance. I also assume that you have a non reference 7979, like mine a gigabyte wind force you can get a lower temperature and 680 like performance. I just hope that bios is universal. Reply
CeriseCogburn - Tuesday, June 26, 2012 - linkSomeone already posted Tom's shows it is NOT universal and cannot just be flashed to any 7970.
NOPE. Amd locks you out, because they are evil. Reply
Ammaross - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkSo, since the 7970 GE is essentially a tweaked OCed 7970, why not include a factory-overclocked nVidia 680 for fairness? There's a whole lot of headroom on those 680s as well that these benches leave untouched and unrepresented. Reply
elitistlinuxuser - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkCan it run pong and at what frame rates Reply
Rumpelstiltstein - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkWhy is Nvidia red and AMD Green? Reply
Galcobar - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkStandard graph colouring on Anandtech is that the current product is highlighted in green, specific comparison products in red. The graphs on page 3 for driver updates aren't a standard graph for video card reviews.
Also, typo noted on page 18 (OC Gaming Performance), the paragraph under the Portal 2 1920 chart: "With Portal 2 being one of the 7970GE's biggest defEcits" -- deficits Reply
mikezachlowe2004 - Sunday, June 24, 2012 - linkComputer performance is a big factor in deciding in purchase as well and I am disappointed to not see any mention of this in the conclusion. AMD blows nVidia out the water when it comes to compute performance and this should not be taken lightly seeing as games right now are implementing more and more compute capabilities in games and many other things. Compute performance has been growing and growing and today at a rate higher than ever and it is very disappointing to see no mention of this in Anand's conclusion.
I use autoCAD for work all the time but I also enjoy playing games as well and with a workload like this, AMDs GPU provide a huge advantage over nVidia simply because nVidias GK104 compute performance is no where near that of AMDs. AMD is the obvious choice for someone like me.
As far as the noise and temps go, I personally feel if your spending $500 on a GPU and obviously thousands on your system there is no reason not tospend a couple hundred on water cooling. Water cooling completely eliminates any concern for temps and noise which should make AMDs card the clear choice. Same goes for power consumption. If you're spending thousands on a system there is no reason you should be worried about a couple extra dollars a month on your bill. This is just how I see it. Now don't get me wrong, nVidia has a great card for gaming, but gaming only. AMD offers the best of both worlds. Both gaming and compute and to me, this makes the 7000 series the clear winner to me. Reply
CeriseCogburn - Sunday, June 24, 2012 - linkIt might help if you had a clue concerning what you're talking about.
" CAD Autodesk with plug-ins are exclusive on Cuda cores Nvidia cards. Going crossfire 7970 will not change that from 5850. Better off go for GTX580."
" The RADEON HD 7000 series will work with Autodesk Autocad and Revitt applications. However, we recommend using the Firepro card as it has full support for the applications you are using as it has the certified drivers. For the list of compatible certified video cards, please visit http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/fire/certifi... "
nVidia works out of the box, amd does NOT - you must spend thousands on Firepro.
Welcome to reality, the real one that amd fanboys never travel in. Reply
spdrcrtob - Tuesday, July 17, 2012 - linkIt might help if you knew what you are talking about...
CAD as infer is AutoCAD by Autodesk and it doesn't have any CUDA dedicated plugin's. You are thinking of 3DS Max's method of Rendering called iRay. That's even fairly new from 2011 release.
There's isn't anything else that uses CUDA processors on a dedicated scale unless its a 3rd Party program or plugin. But not in AutoCAD, AutoCAD barely needs anything. So get it straight.
R-E-V-I-T ( with one T) requires more as there's rendering engine built in not to mention its mostly worked in as a 3D application, unlike AutoCAD which is mostly used in 2D.
Going Crossover won't help because most mid-range and high end single GPU's (AMD & NVIDIA) will be fine for ANY surface modeling and/ or 3D Rendering. If you use the application right you can increase performance numbers instead of increasing card count.
All Autodesk products work with any GPU really, there are supported or "certified" drivers and cards, usually only "CAD" cards like Fire Pro or Quadro's.
Nvidia's and AMD's work right out of the Box, just depends on the Add In Board partner and build quality NVIDIA fan boy. If you're going to state facts , then get your facts straight where it matters. Not your self thought cute remarks.
Do more research or don't state something you know nothing about. I have supported CAD and Engineering Environments and the applications they use for 8yrs now, before that 5 yrs more of IT support experience. Reply
aranilah - Monday, June 25, 2012 - linkplease put up a graph of the 680 overclocked to its maximum potential versus this to its maximum oc, that would be a different story i believe , not sure though. Please do it because on you 680 review there is no OC testing :/ Reply
MrSpadge - Monday, June 25, 2012 - link- AMDs boost assumes the stock heatsink - how is this affected by custom / 3rd party heat sinks? Will the chip think it's melting, whereas in reality it's crusing along just fine?
- A simple fix would be to read out the actual temperature diode(s) already present within the chip. Sure, not deterministic.. but AMD could let users switch to this mode for better accuracy.
- AMD could implement a calibration routine into the control panel to adjust the digital temperature estimation to the atcual heat sink present -> this might avoid the problem altogether.
- Overvolting just to reach 1.05 GHz? I don't think this is necessary. Actually, I think AMD is generously overvolting most CPUs and some GPUs in the recent years. Some calibration for the actual chip capability would be nice as well - i.e. test if MY GPU really needs more voltage to reach the boost clock.
- 4 digit product numbers and only fully using 2 of them, plus the 3rd one to a limited extend (only 2 states to distinguish - 5 and 7). This is ridiculous! The numbers are there to indicate performance!!!
- Bring out cheaper 1.5 GB versions for us number crunchers.
- Bring an HD7960 with approx. the same amount of shaders as the HD7950, but ~1 GHz clock speeds. Most chips should easily do this.. and AMD could sell the same chip for more, since it would be faster. Reply
Hrel - Monday, June 25, 2012 - linkHow can you write a review like this, specifically to test one card against another, then only overclock one of them in the "OC gaming performance" section. Push the GTX680 as far as you can too otherwise those results are completely meaningless; for comparison. Reply
silverblue - Tuesday, June 26, 2012 - linkI think that's the way people do every review. However, ordinarily I'd recommend looking back at the 680 review, but as we've seen with the new Catalyst drivers, performance can vary over a relatively short period of time. So, a future article such as "AMD's Radeon 7970 and NVIDIA's GTX 680: How Much Difference Can A Few Months Make?" might be very nice *hint hint*. ;) Reply
Temelj - Thursday, July 12, 2012 - linkFor simplicity, the OC data should be put up on this graph for reference purposes and ease of use. Who on earth wants to troll a few reviews and collect this data manually? At the very least include a reference link to the previous article that compares the NVidia 680 and provides the OC scores.
Also, instead of a conclusion write up why not have a result summary showing all performed tests, the cards there were used as reference and provide a tabular view clearly showing the top runner of each test (or top 3). Reply
b3nzint - Wednesday, June 27, 2012 - linkSo what about ; DX11 DirectCompute, SmallLuxGPU, Fluid simulation, WinZip 16.5 tests. amd is winning streak. Dont buy nvidia, its an empty thing! Reply
CeriseCogburn - Saturday, June 30, 2012 - linkIf you're going to use winzip to game, and support evil proprietary corruption in software by amd while using open source, great, hypocrisy and lying to stone cold stupid amd fans for years works well !
Fluid sim - not a game
DX11 DC - not a game
SmallLux - not a game
Oops ! "Empty" suddenly applies to amd when it wins any "benchmarks that are not real world for end users, ever."
I guess empty crap no one uses, declared fraudulently, as a "win", sways the dark hollow spaces in the hearts and minds of the little amd fans. It's sad. Reply
yay123 - Saturday, June 30, 2012 - linkhi there I'm buying this card but my psu is cm gx550w does it fit well if I oc it? Reply
Temelj - Thursday, July 12, 2012 - linkIf you can afford a card like this, why not just upgrade your power supply?
Review System Requirements here: http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphics/70... Reply
Jamahl - Thursday, July 05, 2012 - linkComments totally ruined by CeriseCogburn's bullshit on every page.
Is this maddoctor in disguise, or one of the other Nvidia zealots? Whatever, just IP ban this weirdo and be done with it. Reply
Mauhi123 - Monday, October 15, 2012 - linkDear All.
I am having 3960x and DX79SI and graphics card asus hd7970-dc2t-3gd5
i am not able to boot the computer. when i am bootiing the computer on mother board 2 digit led shows "00" duble zero and on led screen shows "0_" and stops, but i can reboot the computer useing ctl+atl+del. i can able to oparate bios. that means the computer is not in hanging mode.
Please Help me ASAP...... Reply
seansplayin - Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - linkI have the Xfx 7970 Ghz edition and I really am not sure what is the big deal with the noise. My Card is not that loud. Honestly Power control settings @ +20%, Gpu core 1175 and memory @ 1600 completely stable. The games I play are at 1080P MAx everything and my GPU rarely gets above 70C, which is only around 40% fan speed. @ 40% fan speed I literally cannot hear the GPU fan unless I have the speakers completely turned off and even still I have to listen carefully to actually discern that the noise I hear is coming from the Video Card. My experience in gaming the GPU fan noise is absolutely NOT an issue. when I'm running synthetic GPU benchmarking apps like geekbench's Furmark then the card will ramp up around 70% fan speed and you can hear it, but even then it is really not an Issue. I am using the latest catylist beta Driver 12.11 which as added 15% increase in BF3 FPS and 10% increase in Dirt 3, basically taking Nvidia's crown in virtually every game.
I do lot's of Video transcoding and the openCL domination this card produces is amazing.
Yesterday I trancoded a 1080P 5.3GB .mkv file to .mp4 with nero 11 when using AMD's app acceleration codec the transcode took 20 minutes as compared to 60 minutes when I used Nero's .mp4 codec at the same output settings. Durring the Transcoding the GPU stays at I believe 300 mhz with the GPU at 20% load average. when doing transcoding the gpu hoovers around 111F with the Fan at like 5%.
I love this card.
My Computer has three states, Idle 60% of the time, gaming and transcoding 40% of the time. At Idle with AMD's zero core this video card is using 10 watts less than Nvidia's 680, In gaming it's beating the 680 in almost every game now, and when it comes to encoding open cl and open gl it's basically a blowout averaging 75% more than the 680. If your an Nvidia fan (I formally was) and open CL is important to you, go with the Fermi cards because on most GPGPU processing they outperform with Kepler cards.
IF you question anything I've said do some google homework. Catalyst 12.11 actually does what they say, I can attest to it at least when it comes to Encoding, playing BF3 and Dirt 3 Reply


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CES 2006 - Day 1: Dell's 30" Display, Quad SLI, WUSB and moreby Anand Lal Shimpi on 1/6/2006 4:20 AM EST
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Aerows - Saturday, February 04, 2006 - linkThis design has a lot going for it. As one user suggested, kids going to college. BUT, I think that a strong argument could be made for it with small business owners.
Considering that I went through Hurricane Katrina, and literally everything (including both of my cars, my father's brand new Avalanche, both PC's) was underwater, the one thing that saved all of our records was my mother's laptop.
No one expected it to be quite the monster that it was, and even though the PC's were put up high, and bagged, they were swamped. My mom's laptop of course, went home with her.
Had we had two of these mobile PC's, I *guarantee* they would have been taken out of the building and away from the storm, and we wouldn't have to deal with waiting for insurance to settle, the inevitable depreciation involved (even though the two PC's involved in the storm were perfectly okay for our needs), and lost productivity. Backups are great and all, but let's face it, they are fallible and it can take a lot of effort to recover from two lost PCs.
Personally, if these units were available in "value" flavors without the souped up video cards, I know several folks I would recommend them to right now.
Of course, I'd want a decked out screamer for my own personal use :)! ::drool::
estbear - Monday, January 09, 2006 - linkI think this is a verry intresting thing, but can it realy work like houres whit solar power. I mean thers almoust light everywhaer when this can work let's say 10 h I be impressed.
Sry for bad englis :P Reply
PeteRoy - Friday, January 06, 2006 - linkhttp://news.com.com/1606-2_3-6020675.html">Watch the video Reply
dev0lution - Friday, January 06, 2006 - linkFunny that everyone thinks of dell for low price/cheap computers and now that profit margins have slowed they drop a 30" LCD for 2 grand that takes a "limited edition" overclocked (Overclocked by Dell...hell must be cold!) quad GPU XPS just to eke out playable framerates on the newest games. What's next?!?! Water cooling and AMD brought to you by the dell duuuude? =X Reply
AnonymouseUser - Friday, January 06, 2006 - linkWho'd a thunk it? Reply
hoppa - Friday, January 06, 2006 - linkDoes the flaming skull graphic on the Dell machine automatically change to a rusty snail over the next 3 years? Reply
ohnnyj - Friday, January 06, 2006 - linkVery true. Plop down an estimated 10 grand on a system like this today and it will be outdated next year or even by the end of this year (there is no way nVidia will leave Quad SLI as a Dell exclusive). People will stick them in an overclocked FX-57 (perhaps watercooled) they build themselves and save themselves a few thousand dollars (and have a higher performing system to boot). Reply
Griswold - Friday, January 06, 2006 - linkWe'll leave you today with a picture of Toshiba's HD-DVD player that was sitting in Intel's booth. The player crashed when we took this picture, but other than that there was nothing particularly interesting to see here.
Aww poor DVD player is shy. Dont take pictures please! Move along, give this DVD player some breathing roomm! Reply
yuchai - Friday, January 06, 2006 - linkI don't think it's a good idea. I quote the article "Internally it's basically a notebook with discrete graphics and support for up to two 2.5" hard drives running in RAID."
It offers nothing over a Desktop Replacement Laptop imo. Reply
Nick5324 - Friday, January 06, 2006 - linkI was thinking the same thing, however I think it has potential. Assuming it's priced competitively, and we could dump the discrete graphics, I'd be interested. Reply
Xenoterranos - Friday, January 06, 2006 - linkmaybe it'll be a ton cheaper than a DTR. If it was maybe just a bit more expensive than say, a similarly equiped PC, then I could see it being viable. Reply
OrSin - Friday, January 06, 2006 - linkDell actually has some nice concepts. Dell high end products are getting better. To bad most people buy thier low end junk. I doubt the CPU would limit he Quad the computer in anything. The Quad video card might get a little more work if you get a 30in. But really can you game on 30in. I think tunnel vision would kick in
I really like the idea of the portal. Now if they could add some MCE stuff to it would be ideal for Dorm rooms. No tv needed. and study (or play) center you can take with you, if needed. Reply
plewis00 - Friday, January 06, 2006 - linkI'm going to guess though that, as it comes with a Media Center Remote, it probably is kitted out with an internal TV tuner.
It's a nice idea and one that whilst discussed has never really seen the light of day. However, given the choice I think I'd rather sit down and DIY it with a briefcase/suitcase or something than pay Dell to do it for me - if only for flexibility. Also 20" widescreen is good but it's going to be big and pretty heavy too. The fact that Dell tried something different shows attempted innovation which I don't think anyone can say is a bad thing. Reply
FrozenCanadian - Friday, January 06, 2006 - linkDoes that MSI upgradable graphics thing remind anyone of the 1998 Micron/Rendition Socket X. Reply
Donegrim - Friday, January 06, 2006 - linkIn my opinion, the socket thing is a bad idea. It will make a complete graphics "setup" more expensive, will introduce another load of compatability issues and forced upgrading, and looks shat. Plus heatsinks will be a bitch to design/replace. Reply
PrinceGaz - Friday, January 06, 2006 - linkomg I hadn't thought about heatsink issues, only enthusiasts and qualified proffesionals would be able to upgrade the GPU anyway and re-fit the heatsink (assuming it can still use the old one). I'm totally against the idea anyway for far more sensible reasons like how the GPU core and memory are very much tailored to each other and how memory speeds are steadily increasing, and sticking a next-gen core in a card will likely be a waste of money. And that's all before considering stability issues with a card you upgrade as opposed to the current market where you buy a card guaranteed to work.
There is no place for upgradeable graphics sockets except on a mobo to provide an alternative to whatever the chipset offers. Actually no, that doesn't make sense either as a PCie graphics card would likely be just as cheap and offer better performance. No, upgradeable GPU/VPUs seem pointless to me. Let's stick with cards that are designed around components that work together best, rather than waste money on more expensive cards
However to say that is the world's first upgradeable graphics-card is totally wrong. Many graphics-cards in the mid 90's had sockets to add extra video-memory making which at the time was considered a serious upgrade as it allowed the use of higher resolutions and colour-depths. Different sort of upgrade agreed, but most definitely a true graphics-card upgrade and one which was readily available, unlike what we're talking about today. Reply
LoneWolf15 - Friday, January 06, 2006 - linkI think it's a killer idea, but poor implementation. I'd have done the design a bit differently if it is possible to do so, by making it possible to use Socket A or Socket 370 type HSF's on the GPU's so that customized cooling would be an easy option, and by separating the RAM from the GPU modules (perhaps SO-DIMM style?). This is probably more nVidia's issue than MSI's though. The idea of an upgradeable graphics card needs to be done to make it less expensive for the consumer rather than more (i.e., the cost of a GPU upgrade is less than buying a second card or a new card) more like buying a mainboard and changing processors. That probably needs to be done by nVidia as a from-scratch design though, and since it might not make them more money, there's probably no incentive to do so. Reply
erwos - Friday, January 06, 2006 - linkThe transportable is actually a brilliant idea. There's so many kids at college who buy a laptop when all they really need is something like that.
-Erwos Reply
VooDooAddict - Friday, January 06, 2006 - linkI think Dell's transportable PC is a great idea. The handle makes it all come together.
I'm supprised no one mentioned LAN Party! That thing has the possibility of giving Shuttle SFF PCs a nice competition.
I think that a battery is an unnessesary expense.
Seraph321 - Saturday, January 07, 2006 - linkI'm also very interested in this mobile desktop concept. I travel every week, and I currently take a laptop and a mini-tablet with me, but I leave the laptop in the hotel all week just so I can have a bigger screen and media/gaming options in the evenings.
I would love it if the monitor could be used separately, like as an external monitor for my tablet. It would AMAZING if the monitor could travel separate from the rest of the computer in case I just want a bigger screen for my mini-tablet. If there were a way to just grab the monitor + battery and use it to extend the capabilities of my other devices, that would make me buy it right there.
VooDooAddict - Friday, January 06, 2006 - linkI forgot to add that I would sertiously consider something like that for purchase ... right now I build all my own PCs. Something like that is NOT something I could build on my own.
The only thing that might keep me away is Dell's comsumer software load. The buisness PCs (Optiplex) have a much cleaner load. Reply
Xenoterranos - Friday, January 06, 2006 - linkHas no one here ever tried to build a briefcase PC? The only thing I couldn't get working in mine was a battery. The second one I built worked fine off a battery, but being powered by a VIA Eden CPU didn't make for the best Counterstrike:Source play in the world. Reply
s2kpacifist - Friday, January 06, 2006 - linkThe Dell Transportable is a very nice idea, probably influenced by modders (suitcase mod anyone?) While appealing, I think they can take one step further and make a barebones system in addition to the version they showed at CES. Having the option of installing and upgraded your own vid cards/RAM/cpu would be a huge draw...and provide fierce competition for shuttle/SFF/Viiv/HTPCs. This would also be a godsend for LAN gamers everywhere, as someone mentioned above.
I'm not sure if that wireless rechargeable keyboard is necessary. Most gamers would be using a nicer one, regular users would be lazy enough to not charge their keyboard, and media users would probably be using the remote when afar, rather than the keyboard. As for the battery, it can be good and bad, I can't really decide. Reply
LoneWolf15 - Friday, January 06, 2006 - linkIt doesn't say, but if the Dell Transportable has a TV tuner in it, then it'd rock. As a college student, you could buy it as a all-in-one dorm solution. As an adult, it'd be a fully portable DVR/HTPC. Reply
UzairH - Friday, January 06, 2006 - linkONE GTX 512 is a beast, imagine 4 of them. And the 4.26 GHz 955 Presler isn't so bad - I'd say it should match the 4800+ in most apps - remember the recent AT review of the 955 - at default clock speeds it was slightly slower or sometimes faster than the 4800+. Of course the question is how much does this monster rig cost? Reply
Xenoterranos - Friday, January 06, 2006 - linkWell, overcloked like that, it would easily match and exceede a 4800+'s performance, but in a simillarly configured AMD system, there'd be no comparison. Reply
OCedHrt - Friday, January 06, 2006 - linkWhat are the other specifications for this? How come this information is never available from Dell when they release a new laptop. Screen size? Weight? Etc. Reply
keitaro - Friday, January 06, 2006 - linkThe Quad-SLI thing is rather interesting but would this actually be beneficial in any way? The games probably won't show much of a big difference in framerate given the CPU but one has to wonder what games can truly push the GPU enough to really need 4 to see any benefits from it. I'm all for overboard and extreme stuff but I question the practicality of it. Expensive, high heat output, and high power consumption, three things that don't go together very well...
Unfortunately, I would sell off the CPU, motherboard, and RAM... only to have it replaced with X2 4800+, 2x1GB RAM, and the best SLI motherboard one can get. At least with that setup, the system would perform better and won't eat up as much power.... tho I ponder if that'll make a difference in the end considering quad-SLI. Ugh... Reply
grank0 - Sunday, January 08, 2006 - linkI know why you need 4 CPU cores--it's to handle all the crapware in the background they preinstall. Did you see the HardOCP review, which was linked by slashdot? They reviewed an XPS400: http://hardocp.com/article.html?art=OTI0LDg=">http://hardocp.com/article.html?art=OTI0LDg=
"The Bottom Line – 4/10"
"The system itself is a decent gaming platform and the hardware was well built."
"But we couldn't even install one of the most popular games on the market, Sims 2, and trying to play other popular games would lock up the system and gaming sessions, when they would run, would get interrupted."
"The pre-installed programs that Dell chose to include on its computer were almost certainly the cause of all these problems" Reply
poohbear - Friday, January 06, 2006 - linkdude, if u're gonna drop cash on a sys like that, u could care less about heat output, price, and electricity bills. It's like ppl who buy hummers are'nt concerned about gas prices, it's pennies to them. Reply
bob661 - Friday, January 06, 2006 - linkThe basic Dell XPS 600 costs over $4000. I'm thinking this will be pretty close to a $10,000 system. Reply
bob661 - Friday, January 06, 2006 - linkTrue indeed but you really won't see much difference in framerates without some insanely high resolution monitor. Reply
jvrobert - Friday, January 06, 2006 - linknonsense.. Try playing F.E.A.R at 1600x1200 with everything turned on on any current video card. Reply
bob661 - Friday, January 06, 2006 - linkForgot about FEAR. I wonder if that game would become CPU limited. I'd like to see some benchies. Reply
at80eighty - Friday, January 06, 2006 - link..and Dell debuted their 30"er - coincidence? Reply
MrSmurf - Friday, January 06, 2006 - linkIronic that Dell would showcase such a computer which is obviously targeted at hardcore PC user but hardcore PC users wouldn't buy a Dell. Reply
Deinonych - Friday, January 06, 2006 - linkNot only that, but until they start putting AMD procs in their boxes, they'll never have *any* credibility with gamers. Even then, I don't think their "target market" would consider a pre-built box anyway. Sounds like another still-born idea by a bunch of MBAs that don't know anything about the DIY/gamer set.
Pass. Reply
Bonesdad - Friday, January 06, 2006 - linkno matter how fast it is...it's fugly as heck.
Why do manufacturers put PC users on a level with guys who pimp out their pickups and vans? Reply
at80eighty - Friday, January 06, 2006 - linkwhile 'fugly' is debateable - to me, the last pic on page 2 - of the rig in flames , is frickin perfect on two levels
1) Blazing performance
2) Reminds you that you'll need a fire hydrant handly in case that baby blows up :-) Reply
at80eighty - Friday, January 06, 2006 - linki have NO clue how that happened - mods please delete repeated entries Reply
at80eighty - Friday, January 06, 2006 - linkwhile 'fugly' is debateable - to me, the last pic on page 2 - of the rig in flames , is frickin perfect on two levels
1) Blazing performance
2) Reminds you that you'll need a fire hydrant handly in case that baby blows up :-) Reply
at80eighty - Friday, January 06, 2006 - linkwhile 'fugly' is debateable - to me, the last pic on page 2 - of the rig in flames , is frickin perfect on two levels
1) Blazing performance
2) Reminds you that you'll need a fire hydrant handly in case that baby blows up :-) Reply
Tanclearas - Friday, January 06, 2006 - linkQFT Reply
WoodenPupa - Friday, January 06, 2006 - linkWhat are the power requirements of a quad SLI?? Reply
Cygni - Friday, January 06, 2006 - linkEach dual 7800 card requires an external power brick, which takes a huge ammount of strain off of the PSU. In effect, it doesnt have to power the most power hungry item in any case, the graphics card. The PSU is actually mounted in the front of the case, beneath the HD's and CDROM drives, underneath the Dell logo panel. There is one PSU, but its likely quite a beast. Reply
Xenoterranos - Friday, January 06, 2006 - linkWhat's the total power draw of that Dell Renegade?! four pentium cores, 4 nvidia gpu's, and 2 10,000 raptors!? The thing must come with dual PSU's to boot! Reply
Iv3RSoN - Friday, January 06, 2006 - linkdunno bout the power requirements - must be heaps lol. But i see this as kinda a publicity move - ordinary ppl see how fast this comp is 4 games then they think dell comps r really good and go buy one of their more budgeted offerings Reply


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Three different Gators scored and senior goalie Mikey Meagher stopped six shots Sunday, but it wasn't enough as Northwestern (17-2) outshot UF 24-9 with the difference makers coming on draws. The Wildcats powered over the Gators on the draw 10-3 and won all six draws in the first half.
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A few days ago, you might know that we bagan a discussion about beer, here:
Upon recommendation and intrigue, I "hopped" to it to track down some of that hoppy-go-lucky India Pale Ale. Shazbot!!!-- This brew is produced in Colorado, checks in at 6.5% alcohol, and rang my bell. Who says there's a shortage of honey bees this year?
This isn't no Bud, Coors, or Miller light, is it Wiseguy, CBG, & Brad? My goodness, that was delicious! Here is a pic of this "Ranger" brand:
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