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Acer Aspire TimelineU M3: Life on the Kepler Vergeby Dustin Sklavos on 3/13/2012 5:56 PM EST
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Bols - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - link...to light up the comment panel with frustration over the screen resolution. 768p on an otherwise premium notebook is ridiculous. With a 15" form factor it is a complete disgrace.
Let's hope apple sets the standard with a 2880x1800 macbook soon...and the rest of the world will follow. Reply
Frallan - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - link
Aye for once Im happy that there is an "i-wave" rolling over the world. The new i-pad has waaaay better resolution than this notebook. Its time to shape up or ship out for the companies that keep cramming crap screens into otherwise decent hardware.
Was a very interesting aticle though especially as it seems as if there are going to be new mobile chips coming from nVidia soon and AMD will have to follow.
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damianrobertjones - Thursday, May 16, 2013 - link"The new i-pad has waaaay better resolution than this notebook."
OMG! Have you truly been taken in by the marketing? Yep. That high resolution ipad has increased DPI which means it might as well be 1280x720 when you actually want 'working' space. Reply
Confusador - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - linkAgreed wholeheartedly, though it's worth noting that this machine can't even keep up with its direct competitors. I don't know what it's going to take to get typical buyers to care about this, but maybe Apple ca do it. Reply
piroroadkill - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - linkIt's wholly acceptable on an 11-12" format, borderline unacceptable in a 13.3" chassis, and ridiculous to have 1366x768 on a 15.6" format. No other way to put it. Reply
kkwst2 - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - linkI would argue that the new iPad has proven that it is completely unacceptable even in a 10-12" format. If a $500 iPad can have a high quality, high resolution screen, there is no reason a $2000+ high end ultraportable notebook cannot. I'm talking to you, Lenovo. Reply
noeldillabough - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - linkI have to agree with you, while I LOVE my X220, the 768p screen is a sore spot. Its beautiful, IPS clear etc, but not enough pixels.
Next machine will be a high res 12" laptop with an ivy bridge and HD4000 graphics (discrete graphics cards on laptops are on their way out) Reply
kkwst2 - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - linkYes, it is actually what keeps me in the T series rather than the X series. While the X panels are much higher quality, I can't work effectively with the pixel count.
Hoping for over 1000 vertical pixels in an X series notebook within a year. Reply
JojoKracko - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - linkI'd second this, but I'd be talking to Alienware, whatever fool is still putting glossy crap screens in the new Asus G75, and MSI as well.
A $1500 or more gaming laptop SHOULD REALLY HAVE A GOOD SCREEN when the top quality parts only add $100 to the total price.
Make it a frickin' option at least and see what kind of response you get. And I mean a REAL OPTION. Allow it to be added to the BASE MODEL, not ONLY TO THE $2500 version. Yeah, I'm talking to you fAlienware!!!
fAlienware LOL. WHY have I not seen it written like this before?!? Reply
kmmatney - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - linkHell - my old 15" laptop from 2005 had a 1280 x 800 screen. I'd take the extra 34 pixels over this 768p crap. Reply
Finraziel - Thursday, March 15, 2012 - linkHell, my old 15" laptop from 2002 had a 1400x1050 screen (and a buddy at the same time had one with 1920x1200, I don't think you can even get that anymore and no 1080 isn't as good)... It's ridiculous how laptopscreens only seem to get worse over time. Reply
Mitch89 - Thursday, March 15, 2012 - linkI have fond memories of the WSXGA+ panel in my Dell 8600, 1680x1050 in a 15.4in display was awesome. You could even get a WUXGA 1920x1200 panel as well.
That was 2003, yet this 1366x768 crap is still being offered today.
Very much looking forward to Apple pushing the envelope on laptop displays, the 1920x1200 display on my 17" Pro is good, but a res bump would be sweet. (and please offer a matte option...) Reply
SnowCat00 - Saturday, March 17, 2012 - linkMy Thinkpad T60P from five years ago has 1680 X 1050 15 inch panel, the one thing holding me back from replacing it is all the crappy panels that are going into laptops lately... For once I say Go Apple! I hope the new Ipad pushes manufactures to start putting better screens inyo there tablets and laptops. Reply
Mumrik - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - linkYup.
I stopped reading after I noticed the resolution. It's time for this shit to end. Since LCDs took over we've been in a race towards the bottom - lower resolutions and worse and worse panels.
I really hope the dick measuring contest in the smartphone and tablet space leads to more high and ultra high resolution IPS (and with time OLED) displays in laptops and desktop monitors. So few even offer a high res alternative these days. Reply
VoraciousGorak - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - linkYeah.
"...one of the most compelling notebooks we've seen yet..."
Screen Resolution: 768p
/me scrolls down to comments to complain, then hits Back button on browser. Reply
Old_Fogie_Late_Bloomer - Friday, March 16, 2012 - linkSeriously. Is 1366x768 a good replacement for 1024x768? Sure. For 1280x800? No. Likewise, I'm fine with 1600x900 rather than 1440x900, and 1920x1080 instead of 1680x1050, but going from 1920x1200 to 1920x1080 is...well, it's just insulting.
Manufacturers: If you're really hell bent for leather on shoving wider screens down our throats, the least you could do is give us 2048x1152, which still fits into the single-link DVI spec. How about 2400x1350? It divides nicely into 1600x900 for gaming and other 3D applications, and still gives you that shiny high-res look for regular 2D stuff.
I suppose 2048x1280 or even 2048x1536 on a desktop monitor is just too much to ask... Reply
Malih - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - linkThis will depend on whether Windows 8 can deliver good hi dpi support, currently some applications break when setting the text size of text to other than default, and non apple laptops use Windows, so they're somewhat held back by compatibility issues.
I believe Metro apps will adapt well with high resolution, but this is not the case with some desktop apps. Reply
danielkza - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - linkI'm yet to find a single application updated on the last 5 years that messes up high-DPI, at least starting from Vista when I started using it. Reply
Malih - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - linkwell, I found some, mostly utilities and apps that comes from manufacturers with the driver cd/downloads, that uses fugly UI, but because I need them to use the hardware... latest app I found that breaks is The Witcher 2 Configuration Tool Reply
Finraziel - Thursday, March 15, 2012 - linkWell, some of us also just have good eyes... I have absolutely no problems using my acer AO522 netbook which has a 720p 10" screen. That comes to exactly the same pixel density as 1080p on 15". Actually I wouldn't mind if the pixel density got even higher, when Asus comes with their full hd 13" models I might be really tempted, if I have the money for it then. Reply
Exchequer - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - linkIt is clear you are NOT a gamer... I hace combined my gamign rig intentionally with a 1680x1050 screen, why? Because it MATTERS for your framerate.
Your talking about is 5M
That is pure madnes... Even if you go from 1M pixels to 2M pixels, this mean your framerate will drop down 50%... E.g. if you had 50 fps before it will end up near 25 fps. To talk about 5M pixels means you really have absolutely no clue about gpu's and games...
Of course you can lower the resolution of your game but, as anyone that ever tried this will know, if you move away from the native resolution screens become very ugly. Your better off playing native on a lower resolution than picking this resolution on a higher res panel. Reply
kmmatney - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - linkWhen you have pixels that small, things actually scale quite well, so going to a lower resolution for a game is no big deal.
I agree that a 1680 x 1050 screen is great for mainstream gaming - it's a good compromise between having a nice big screen, and not too many pixels to push. Reply
airmantharp - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - linkDid you seriously just say 1680x1050 for gaming?
That's great, if you can't afford a video card, and I'm aware that not everyone can.
But let me tell you, gaming on a 30" 2560x1600 IPS screen is something to behold. Battlefield 3, Skyrim, Mass Effect 3, The Old Republic, all look and play amazing when driven by a pair of HD6950 2GB cards. Reply
Exchequer - Saturday, March 17, 2012 - linkFirst of all we are talking here about mobile gaming... Even if you get an insanely expensive laptop with sli/crossfire you still wont have enough fps for a 30 inch screen with that resolution...
Furthermore crossfire results in microstutter so thats not an ideal solution, it pretty much ruins the game.
On pc gaming I once bought an 8800 GTS 640mb for 320 euro when it was just released (probablyt wrong priced should be 450 euro), 6 months later the 8800GT was introduced at half price. Since then I learned my lesson and got the gtx 260 for 140 euro (and got 90 back for the 8800gts), after that a gtx460 hawk for 165 euro. If you stick with your 1680x1050 panel you can run all games with AA without any problems for at least a year for about 50-60 (because each time you get 90-100 back for your old card). If I want to play bf3 on 1920x1080 I have to upgrade to a 560ti which would cost me 220 euro while resulting in the same detail settings and fps... Reply
Bols - Thursday, March 15, 2012 - linkBut you are so very wrong (and angry), young padwan.
The beauty of a 2880x1800 screen is that it scales perfectly down to 1440x900, which would allow it to be driven by a mid-class GPU for fast FPS-games, and you will not be able to see that there is any scaling going on. (There isn't - every pixel in the 1400-domain is just shown as four pixels). For serious use, you can cram in four times more information and text in the 2800-resolution. If you working with text, like programming, screen estate matters.
And you should ease up on the assumptions. I am an ex-fps-junkie, but I still care about framerate. Reply
Finraziel - Thursday, March 15, 2012 - linkDouble the pixels is half the framerate? Right, and there we stop taking you seriously... You read Anandtech yet you don't know there are lots of different possible bottlenecks and they are not all affected by resolution?
Aside from that I agree, scaling isn't nearly as bad as people make it out to be on a proper high resolution screen. I've regularly done it both on laptops and on my 24" 1920x1200 display and if you can live with lower res I don't see how you can be so picky to whine about a bit of blurring from the scaling. Maybe if you play text-heavy games, but those tend to be less sensitive to framerate, so it works out nicely. Reply
Exchequer - Saturday, March 17, 2012 - linkIt is... I have an old Philips 17 inch TFT (25ms from 2003 so 9 years old!) as secondary monitor with 1280x1024. My main monitor is a samsung 2253BW (2008, 2ms), which is regarded as a high quality monitor. If I put the 2253BW on 1280x1024 (including black bars) you get about the same screen surface. The 17 inch is 27 cm height and the 22inch is 30cm. However the image quality is a LOT worse. If all you can run is 1280x1024 (gpu limited) than you are 100% better off with the old 17inch 5:4 panel as compared to downscaling the modern 22inch panel.
Besides gaming it is of course personal preference. Back in the day you could get a 1680x1050 22 inch or a 1680x1050 20 inch, or a higher resolution 22 inch. However this results in very small text on your OS forcing you to use larger icons which (in the old days) were not as pretty ^^. Small icons get annoying pretty quickly. Anyone that has been wearing contact lenses for some years will know what im talking about:D. Reply
Exchequer - Saturday, March 17, 2012 - link"Double the pixels is half the framerate? Right, and there we stop taking you seriously...´`
Maybe you should not only visit anandtech but also take a look at techpowerup...
2560x1600 48 fps
1680x1050 85 fps
1280x1024 109 fps
If you are talking about 5M pixels (the post that I replied to then I can assure you that you will be gpu imited and that scaling will be completely lineair...
ps since sandy brige its hard to be cpu limited with a single gpu ^^. Reply
JojoKracko - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - linkYes, disgraceful. I have to agree. Lets hope that Apple also forces a return to the infinitely more logical 16x10 format for laptops. 16x9 is simply cost saving BS which I equate to skimping on the quality of the screen.
Make it 16x10, IPS, and I will gladly, GLADLY, kick the vendor an extra $150.
If they can put a 2560x?? IPS panel in a $500 iPad (not 3) then they can damn well do the same in $900 and up laptops.
All we need is ONE manufacturer to set the example, (and do it well for pete's sake, don't skimp on the keyboard to compensate), and the HUGE SALES will show all of the others that this is what they should have been doing all along.
If they would have put a 1600x1000 quality TN panel into THIS laptop, I would have been a buyer for $100 over list price. As is though, it is useless crapola to me.
Props for the mSata SSD and the EMPTY drive bay. Although, I'd prefer two fullsized bays and the ability to buy my own SSD and install it along with the crap HDD they would include. Reply
JojoKracko - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - linkHey, if Asus can put a 1080P IPS Matte screen in an $1100 UX31A, then every other laptop maker sure as heck better start doing the same. It is just crazy that it has taken this long for the first quality laptop display to appear.
Let me say it again.
1080P IPS Matte Screen
Just do it!
This one, or hopefully a G75 with a similar spec'd screen, is something I'm looking forward to buying in the near future. Not things like this acer with the low res, low spec screen.
Review the UX31A next please Anandtech. Reply
mschira - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - linkYou call this compelling?
Trackpad sucks. COME on. That is one of the most important usability items on a laptop.
If the trackpad sucks the notebook sucks.
Screen resolution? 768P on 15.6" are they joking?
Also ditch the optical drive. I have a Lenovo 420s and replaced the optical drive with a second battery. I have the optical drive somewhere but I am not sure I would find it if I ever needed it.
Great move with the GT 640 absolutely. Also great move with the mSSD and harddrive bay.
But else?
M. Reply
nateclind - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - linkHow about showing a little class and respect. You can definitely disagree, but go about it in a more constructive way. Reply
snuuggles - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - linkThe tone of the op was somewhat ascerbic. The tone of -your- post is just weird... How, exactly, are they not being "classy?!"
Try to be specific (as the op was). Reply
weiran - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - linkHis points are perfectly valid and constructive.
In the recent Dell XPS13 review, it had almost the exact same faults as this laptop and yet this one is somehow "compelling"? The trackpad and screen are two of the most important parts of a laptop, yet the poor screen doesn't even get a mention in the conclusion. Is the rest of the laptop good enough to overlook those deficiencies?
The author also seems to base his final judgement on a retail price of around $800, I'll tell you now there's no way it will be close to $800 a decent sized SSD and i7. Reply
mschira - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - linkHm, I didn't even get far enough to appreciate the price. 800 would be a good offer, but a 256GB SSD, and i7 and a Kepler GPU for 800?
And the next iPad will be sold for a benefit price in Africa.
M. Reply
nissangtr786 - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - linkI reckon this has 20-50% less power then the full gt640m 2gb card as the 1gb gt640m is the LE version 15-20w card vs the 2gb gt640m 25-30w card.
See that forum and see the list of graphics cards and you will se it is pretty impressive for a 15-20w card. Reply
Gideonic - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - linkNice ME3 reference ;) Reply
kallogan - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - linkKepler seems indeed to be a big step forward... Reply
flensr - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - linkMy wife is complaining about her laptop again and this is exactly the form factor she likes (thin and light but with optical drive) but the screen is so awful that I'm going to have to give it a pass. Almost everything else about this is awesome (6GB ram max is pretty weak but the mSATA SSD + 2.5 HDD is a great choice) and having an ethernet port and optical drive is a requirement for me, but the screen simply must be better than this or it's a complete waste of money to purchase.
I bought a lenovo T420s which is remarkably similar to this thing (thin light with optical, 14") but after receiving it and seeing how terrible that screen was, I'm going to hold out until either the laptop screens improve or tablets improve to the point where I can switch over completely to tablet use. That T420s is the last laptop with a crummy screen I'll ever buy.
Laptop manufacturers are going to lose their customers in a BIG way in a year or two when tablet hardware is capable of running a "real" OS, unless they can figure out a way to put nice screens in their laptops. I would have happily paid an extra $400 for my T420s for an upgraded screen, and I won't buy a replacement with a TN screen at ANY price. If that means I wait until the ipad 8 or whatever microsoft comes out with in a couple of years when their tablets are not much different than tiny desktops/laptops, then that's better than using one of these horrible screens. Reply
Shadowmaster625 - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - linkDoesnt the 560M have just half that many cores? And it is faster? What is going on here? Reply
tipoo - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - linkIt has 192, yeah. Interesting. But its in the same thermal envelope so who cares how many shaders there are, maybe they went AMDs route with less powerful individually but more numerous shaders. Reply
extide - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - linkIt pretty clear that the CUDA cores in kepler cannot be directly compared to the ones in past generations.
With the full GK104 being rumored to have 1536 yet nowhere near 3x as fast as a GTX580 (512 CUDA cores), plus this card with 384 and significantly less performance than the 192 based fermi card. Reply
MarsMSJ - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - link
The mention of the 6650M in the Sony notebook should warrant an asterisk on all the GPU performance graphs. In those graphs there is nothing to differentiate or tell a reader that a built in 6650M will perform much better than a 6650M. We all know those graphs will be referenced and they imply that 6650M in a standard or non standard implementation will work
I can see clearly why NVidia likes your graphs because they're misleading. Reply
mamisano - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - linkI totally agree and glad that someone else feels the same way as me. Reply
JarredWalton - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - linkThe text has an explanation for the poor performance of the 6650M, and actually I have a 6630M review coming shortly where it outperforms the 6650M results, but there's still a large gap between it and the GT 640M.
The bigger issue is that AMD doesn't have a lot of compelling laptops using their GPUs, and even the ones that do go with AMD have other quirks. The Z2 has it in an external dock where performance (at least on the internal laptop display) is hindered by Thunderbolt bandwidth; the VAIO SE16 (which I'm reviewing right now) has the 6630M, but the manually switchable graphics and almost complete lack of driver updates is going to make it a tough sell for gamers. HP's Envy has the same problem with driver updates.
We've heard from AMD that they'll be rolling out a "unified driver" for all their switchable graphics laptops, but until (if) that happens you're basically asking for problems down the road. Optimus may not be perfect, but compared to the AMD alternative it sure feels like it. :-( Reply
MarsMSJ - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - linkI understand what you're saying about your options. However, that still doesn't address the fact that your graphs do not express this is an exotic GPU implementation with additional contraints that are not normal, driver quirks or not. Keep mind you have lots of graphs and a very important bit of information hidden half way between them.
You're not new to the internet, you know the nature and power of these graphs and their interpretation on the web. I'm not surprised in the least bit NVidia loves your graphs and testing.
Anyway.... any indication about the heat from this NVidia mobile GPU being common thing with upcoming products? :) Reply
Hulk - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - linkwith the Super PLS screen.
Help us Dustin Sklavos Kenobi, you're our only hope! Reply
kenyee - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - linkThey should have stuck at least a 1080p screen on it and 4 memory slots so you can stuff 16GB of memory in it :-P
I'm hoping the Macbook Air shows them how it's done too...and I hate rooting for Apple :-P
Sony's Z2 looks great, but has the same memory limitations, and no Kepler GPU :-( Reply
trajan2448 - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - linkI travel quite a bit and I always watch movies with my laptop. I hope they keep the DVD drive until there is some equivalent no hassle solution. Reply
noeldillabough - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - linkHonestly say I haven't used an optical drive on laptops for years. Rip the movies to DivX or XVid and watch em on whatever device you like. Reply
trajan2448 - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - linkFor me thats a hassle. Reply
trajan2448 - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - linkIm traveling internationally and its much easier to buy a disc. Reply
Death666Angel - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - linkI would have thought that it was a hassle carrying around a few DVDs on your travels. Also, you can just rip it as an .iso or .img and VLC usually plays it just fine, no need to encode it. Little 64GB USB stick (they go cheap these days) and you have 8 or 10 movies with you at all times. But, your call of course. :D Reply
MichaelD - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - linkIt's b/c PC manufacturer's (Apple not included here) continue to put out so-so products like this, that I've been sticking with Netbooks for the past three years. Six years ago I had an Acer laptop. It was top of the line for back then. It still works. It has a real touchpad and two separate mouse buttons. The screen is washed-out now, but back then it was vibrant and responsive. As someone above stated "The touchpad and screen on a laptop are EVERYTHING. If those two suck, then the laptop sucks." I couldn't agree more. I'll stick with my Netbook for now. Reply
chrnochime - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - linkWhen is the embargo going to be lifted? Just waiting to find out if it's worth waiting for the GK104 or go with 7870. Reply
bji - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - linkFull stop, straight to the comments to enjoy some commiseration about the state of laptop screens. I never read an Anandtech notebook review article past the word "768p". Ever. If you want my readership and page clicks Anandtech you'll have to start shipping those substandard notebooks back and asking for something more worthwhile to review. Maybe the manufacturers will finally get the hint. Reply
fic2 - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - linkTotally agree. I think any laptop "reviews" with a 768p screen should begin and end with the the sentence:
Laptop XXX would have been reviewed but since it only has a 768p screen we did not feel it was worth our time to review and our readers time to read such a review.
Recommendation: wait for higher resolution laptop screens. Reply
Dustin Sklavos - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - linkAt that point we might as well just not review notebooks. The fact remains that 768p is the standard that has been forced upon consumers. All we can do is review what's available and continue haranguing manufacturers to fix the problem. Reply
Visual - Tuesday, March 20, 2012 - linkNo, you silly clueless writer.
At that point, laptop manufacturers get a clue, and release a good product for a change.
Review sites do have that kind of power, didn't you know? Reply
Dustin Sklavos - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - linkAnd as a sidenote, how does boycotting us help change the industry? We've been actively campaigning for better screens in notebooks since we started reviewing notebooks, I'm not sure how not supporting us is going to help the situation. Reply
lcarsos - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - linkOh my the screen is 768p? I would certainly hope that the screen is refreshed in a progressive manner! If my cursor were to start interlacing as I moved it around I would probably start a bar fight.
My point is, why would an unnecessary descriptor such as "progressive" get slipped into a laptop review? Man up, and display the screen pixelage, of course the laptop is going to display things progressive it wasn't a television designed in the 60s. Now if you were to stick a DVD in there, DVDs are encoded interlaced in most cases. Now what's happening? A progressive display of interlaced images? Better to just leave that out of the review.
Also, 1366x768 in a 15.6" laptop? What committee let that through? In an age where the iPad can end up with 2048x1536 pixels in a 10" screen for $500 they can certainly slip in a higher quality screen at the price they are currently at. Even if it is still a TN panel. I have a 14" Thinkpad with a 1600x900 display, at no point should a screen of larger size come with lower resolution. Reply
Glock24 - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - linkI've been looking for a laptop to replace my aging Asus F8Va (which has a 14" 1440x900 screen), but every single manufacturer insists on using crappy 1366x768 screens. And I say crappy screens not just because of the resolution, but also because of the poor viewing angles and bad contrast.
I remember some older notebooks sporting 4:3 screen with at least 1280x1024 resolution. Then came the 16:10 craze and the screens started coming with 1280x800 resolution. Now we have 16:9 screens with 1366x768 resolution. What's next? 1440x600? 1600x400?
Having 768 vertical pixels feels so 90's. Come on! Even my old 19" Samsung CRT sm997mb, which was in no way top of the line, could diplay 2048x1536@60 (1600x1200@75, 1280x1024@85), and it was made in 2004. I know CRTs are different animals, but I think I made my point.
I'm not much into the "ultrabook" thing, but I prefer a 14" latop over the more common 15.6" form factor, and I want to play some games on it from time to time, so a dedicated GPU or a decent APU is required. I was considering the Lenovo y470p, which is a 14" laptop with Radeon HD7690, a very good port selection and a great price, but why does it come with a mediocre screen!
HP makes some decent laptops, the DV6 is interesting, and some of them have a 1080p screen option, but are 15.6" or 17"
Also, as some others said, why not ditch the optical drive and use the space for something more useful? An additional battery, some more ports, etc. Reply
Johnmcl7 - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - linkIt's not the case that every company only offers 1366x768 screens, my current Vaio is approaching three years old for the model and has a 1600x900 13.1in screen and the model after it (now also retired) offered a 1080p 13.1in screen with decent colour and viewing angles. 13in higher resolution panels are trickier to find but 14in is fairly easy, there's quite a few other with 1600x900 panels.
I do love that in the comments as always people are saying how Apple will lead the way with high resolution displays despite Sony offering 13.1in 1080p panels for a couple of years now. As usual Apple are first to do something by being several years behind those that are genuinely at the front.
As for the why with mediocre screens, I would think it's obvious - most people don't care and won't pay for them. I don't agree with that stance but on supporting a large number of these crappy 1366x768 screens both at work and out of work laptops, not one person has every complained to me about the low screen resolution. It tends to be the other way round if anything, people tend to complain about my high resolution panels because they make everything too small.
John Reply
Finraziel - Thursday, March 15, 2012 - linkYes, Sony does make nice laptops with sometimes nice screens... The problem is that you pay through the nose for them. When a 500$ laptop offers enough performance for me, and the added cost for a decent screen would be about 50-100$, then why can't I get one of those screens unless I buy a 2000$ laptop?
As for Apple, I don't think the majority of people saying that in the comments here are fanboys or even saying that Apple would be the first, but it does seem to be the case that whatever Apple does, other manufacturers copy. I'm not even saying that it's to Apple's credit as a technology company, it says more about their marketing department. I actually would never buy anything from Apple because I don't agree with their philosophy and most of their products and think they're a bunch of stuck up snobs (from professional dealings with them), but I would like it if they could jumpstart a trend to include better screens in laptops. Reply
zepi - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - linkHow about the battery life when gaming? Is it still a dismal 1 hour or so? How about when compared to let's say a Llano laptop? Reply
kmmatney - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - linkHey Acer! Do you want to stand out and be more like Apple? Then how about making a laptop with a 16:10 screen? Reply
HighTech4US - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - linkWhy exactly do manufactures chose slower and more power hungry GDDR3 over GDDR5?
You would think the lower power and higher performance of GDDR5 would make it the obvious choice.
Is the cost of GDDR5 really so much higher than GDDR3? Reply
ueharaf - Thursday, March 15, 2012 - linkyou have to compare with amd 6630m on a sony vaio SA.
z2 has thunderbolt so is not a fair comparison in graphics card. Here I smell a NVIDIA propaganda, rather than a fair comparison of the graphic cards...come on!!! Reply
Kansja - Thursday, March 15, 2012 - linkKeep this in mind: Due to the much lower thermal headroom in a laptop you can't just stick in enough power to fire up 1080p displays on a laptop, either from the graphic's side or the power constraints (Remember that the iPad has a MASSIVE battery for the power consumption of everything minus display)
You can't just stick 4 580's on a lap. It's a compromise between costs to the user, mobility and performance. I do agree 1600x900 should be an standard but it's not possible until our graphic's card offer 6870 like performance on 10-20W power envelope Reply
Old_Fogie_Late_Bloomer - Thursday, March 15, 2012 - linkI had to log in to say this...looking at the results on the gaming performance page, it seems to me that this laptop is able to acquit itself quite well at 1600x900. Honestly, my next laptop will be 1600x900 at 15.6" (unless I need to get a really cheap machine for some reason) and if this model had a matte, 900p display, it would be on my short, SHORT list, especially given the pleasant experience I've had with my current Acer laptop.
There's really just no excuse for Acer (or anyone) to not put a higher-resolution display on a machine like this. I don't need (or want) 1920x1080, but I'll be damned if I spend more than $600 on a laptop that doesn't have at least 900 rows of pixels on the display. Reply
Kansja - Friday, March 16, 2012 - linkI do agree 1600x900 are fine, but I can't get over a 700$ budget and I want to play games at least medium. HP + Llano + 7690 stays under that budget with 768, but doesn't have the option to 1600x900 other than 1080p and that would be too taxing, so it's unfair. It's a compromise: Want better displays on laptops? You need more power, thus, pay more, thus, lose markets. Most people won't notice a lot of difference unless you're a graphics junkie. You are niche users, not the mainstream market Reply
Old_Fogie_Late_Bloomer - Friday, March 16, 2012 - linkActually, I really wouldn't care what resolution a game rendered at as long as it ends up looking okay in the end. Render in 960x600 and upscale to 1440x900, or in 1280x720 or 1200x675 and upscale to 1600x900. I don't care, it's fine with me, as long as the scaling is decent.
But that's neither here nor there. I want a resolution with 900 rows for productivity reasons. Gaming is a secondary concern for me, but I will want to be able to fire up something more than classic Unreal Tournament or d1x-rebirth in my next laptop. Honestly, with Kepler and even Trinity nearly here, I suspect that GPU power is about to become a non-issue.
I was really disappointed in the Samsung Series 7...I thought it would be my perfect laptop, but what I read about it left a bad taste in my mouth. So I'll be watching for a thin(ish) and light(ish) 15.6"(ish) laptop with a 1440x900 or 1600x900 (or thereabouts) matte screen that can game reasonably well, whether that's with a Trinity APU or with a i7-3xxx paired with Kepler. I think a system like this could probably hit around $700 with a Trinity APU. Reply
Kansja - Saturday, March 17, 2012 - linkTrinity: Yes. If Llano is any indicative and even a 10% increase of power on both sides on the same TDP, it could handle it pretty well. Otherwise, 640M seems disappointing to say the least... Let's see how Kepler scales tho, since this is the smallest part I guess. Reply
Osamede - Thursday, March 15, 2012 - linkA 15" laptop with a 1366 x 768 screen? Why would Anandtech even waste its time reviewing junk like this?
No offense fellas, but I dont care if the company even PAID you to review this thing, you should say no, because it hurts your own brand as a tech media website, to review this dross.
Next time you have a laptop review I cant tell you I aint clicking, because you seem likely to waste my time.... Reply
akyp - Monday, March 19, 2012 - linkStopped reading there Reply
nissangtr786 - Wednesday, December 26, 2012 - linkimo I have had a couple 1920x1200 dell latitude d820/e6500 and 1440x900 14inch screen on d630 and recently an e6420 14" 1600x900 screen. Now 16:9 is something I didn't want but it makes watching movies better. Also as bad as 1366x768 is, it is liveable. 640m and 720p gaming will go very well.
I currently use an acer 5930g and I am on the process to upgrade to an i5 3317u m3 640m machine. Seeing this review it shows that is good enough and good as a cheap replacement for use for next 2-4 years. Reply


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gutharius - Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - linkWanted to ask if during the benchmarking your removed the jumper that sets the Barracuda to SATA150 as opposed to SATA300? Seagate manufactures this drive with the drive set to run SATA150, for compatibility reasons with the VIA chipset. Please check this as I think this drive would fair much better if it were set to run in SATA300 not SATA150. Reply
ROcHE - Friday, February 10, 2006 - linkThis is getting confusing with all those platters size. Would be great to have these compaired. Reply
kd4yum - Thursday, October 27, 2005 - linkHey
The whole NCQ process has its 'glamour' from SCSI. But really, SCSI just brought it down from Mainframe tech. IF you got 100+ people working a DL/1 or DB2 database, then 'Elevator' queuing pays. Maybe also in a file server (SCSI). But forget it in a Personal Computer! Who you gonna queue?
Its like trying to do file compression in software during a backup. You lose more in computation than you gain in I/O.
sorry for the flame
eastvillager - Wednesday, October 26, 2005 - linkYou know how your mouth starts to water right before you're about to vomit? :-) Reply
Peter - Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - linkyeah right ... I was so bored with those results I started drooling. Reply
formulav8 - Monday, October 24, 2005 - linkI really do not care for the style of this article/review from this new guy. (I am guessing he is new? Don't reconize the name?)
I can definitely tell if Anand himself his the author of the article/review or if its one of his fill-in guys. But they do seem to be getting better with time.
And as many others has said, the title of this article is completely 'false' since the review clearly shows the drive to be average at most. This drive is dissappointing for the features it has. High density platters and 16MB cache and it still gets beat by the older 8MB Cache/Lower Density platter drives. Unless I am looking at the graphs wrong??
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Scrogneugneu - Monday, October 24, 2005 - link
Unless I am looking at the graphs wrong??
Well, look at the graphs the way you want, the middle will always stay in the middle... Reply
tomoyo - Monday, October 24, 2005 - linkWell first of all, I fully agree that the title "mouthwatering" makes no sense whatsoever. Even the conclusion is so-so at best...if the seagate drive had beaten all the other 7200rpm drives..that would be true mouthwatering numbers. It's not even a winner in terms of storage since there's already 500gb drives out there. Nor does it advance platter sizes like the single platter design. So that title is completely false in my eyes.
Secondly, I've noticed the writing and analysis has gone greatly downhill since Anand himself hasn't been writing as much. Anand tends to have some insightful commentary on the new technology involved and explainations of the numbers. There's at best shallow explanations of numbers and nothing really distinguishing what's really happening with the benchmarks. And as noted, there's nothing that explains all the different platter sizes in any depth, nor into what pluses or minuses the full SATA 2.5 interface might have in terms of benchmarks and usability. I have to say this is a very disappointing overall job, and I hope the writing and analysis increase by a magnitude of at least 10 to keep up to anandtech standards. Reply
Veerappan - Monday, October 24, 2005 - linkOn the final words page is a pic of a read speed test that was performed on this drive.
Maybe I am seeing this wrong (or it could be a program limitation), but why is this program reporting that the theoretical limit was 150MB/s? If this drive was being tested at 3.0Gb/s, shouldn't that figure be roughly double what it is? Reply
kd4yum - Thursday, October 27, 2005 - linkYeah
MCSim - Monday, October 24, 2005 - linkSeems to be a very performer in multitasking situations. Reply
ElFenix - Monday, October 24, 2005 - linkseagate has had 133 GB platters for a while now. could just be the same drive stuck into a new box. the 160GB platter model is the only one that seems worth reviewing, the higher areal density should translate into better performance. Reply
johnsonx - Monday, October 24, 2005 - linkhey Seagate, why not put 4 160Gb platters into one drive? 4x160 = 720Gb, a new record capacity. If you can put 4 125's in one drive, 4 160's should be doable. Reply
Concillian - Monday, October 24, 2005 - link
hey Seagate, why not put 4 160Gb platters into one drive? 4x160 = 720Gb, a new record capacity. If you can put 4 125's in one drive, 4 160's should be doable.
First, 4x160 = 640 not 720.
Second, I bet nobody ever thought of that, you're a genious.
My guess is that there are issues with 'wobble' causing higher densities to be more challengineg in a stack of 4 than a single platter. Hitachi's 500 GB drive is 5 platters, while their smaller drives use 125GB platters. Seagate is already packing the most in the least, so to speak. Reply
Anton74 - Monday, October 24, 2005 - linkWhen a gigabyte of RAM can be had for less than $90, why is it that a 16MB buffer (1/64th of 1GB) is considered generous for a hard drive? Especially for higher priced large high-end drives, why not use a substantially larger buffer, like 64 or 128MB? Wouldn't the modest price increase ($10? $30?) be well worth the additional performance?
Also, with the very slow progression of hard drive performance, why is everyone stuck at 7,200 RPM (Raptors and SCSI etc. excepted of course)? Perhaps moving up to 10,000 RPM would be too expensive for now, but how about 8,000 or 8,400 RPM as the next step up? Every bit helps.
Is it technically feasible to allow simultaneous use of all drive heads, as opposed to 1 at a time?
I would think things like these would set a drive apart quite noticably in the current field of mediocricy.
On another note, what is wrong with (current implementations of) NCQ? It is easy to understand how it would not really help for relatively light (typical desktop) loads, but how can an efficient re-ordering of IO requests hurt performance like it does some of the time? Currently, it seems as if enabling NCQ simply alters the "performance profile" of a drive, gaining some of the time, and losing some of the time. Could it be that the nForce4 chipset is to blame here? Just a hunch.
How about enabling write caching? I'd be very interesting to see benchmarks showing what that can do (and yes, I realize the risk of data loss - it's called "UPS" :).
Concillian - Monday, October 24, 2005 - link
When a gigabyte of RAM can be had for less than $90, why is it that a 16MB buffer (1/64th of 1GB) is considered generous for a hard drive?
Because more wouldn't necessarily help. Where we see a delay with a hard drive is when we're loading a large amount of sequential data (like loading a level in a game or an application). These will not be in the cache anyway, nor would it be practical to have enough RAM to cache them, because it's not really predictable. Cache in a hard drive has never been proven to increase performance as far as I know. It's mostly a 'checklist' item that MFRs have to have on there because some consumers think it matters.
Also, with the very slow progression of hard drive performance, why is everyone stuck at 7,200 RPM (Raptors and SCSI etc. excepted of course)? Perhaps moving up to 10,000 RPM would be too expensive for now, but how about 8,000 or 8,400 RPM as the next step up? Every bit helps.
I think this is mostly because the market for such drives is quite small. The vast majority of drives are going into Dell/HP/Compaq computers to people who only care how many megabytes they have, and don't care about hard drive speed. Raptor is in a pretty unique market segment, and while they may be popular with the type of people who read AT, I'd be willing to bet it's one of the smallest volume drives WD makes.
There's no technical reason MFRs couldn't make 15k RPM ATA drives like they do with SCSI drives now. The question is whether it's monetarily feasible for them to do so or not. Clearly MFRs have seen the Raptor alone in the ATA @ 10k space for quite some time, and nobody else has decided to move there. I assume there are financial reasons for this, as it's definitely technically possible. As an enthusiast you just have to come to terms with the fact that you are not the market that most HD MFRs cater to.
Is it technically feasible to allow simultaneous use of all drive heads, as opposed to 1 at a time?
My guess is no. I think positioning mechanisms are constantly making small adjustments to keep the head on track. It's impossible to expect more than one head in the stack to be centered on track at any given time. Keep in mind there are thousands of tracks in one inch, and the adjustments made may only be a fraction of a thousandth of an inch. One head works because it gets close, then the formatting info feeds back to the positioning mechanism to tell it 'a little to the right' or 'a little to the left' several times each rotation to keep it centered on each track. It's impossible to expect multiple surfaces to stay on track, as they would all need independent mechanisms for that fine adjustment.
I would think things like these would set a drive apart quite noticably in the current field of mediocricy.
I think people often have unrealistic expectations of drives. Check the gigabyte iRAM review here on AT to see what the ultimate performance could be. This review showed me that there really aren't huge performance benefits to be had through storage improvements. Reply
hoppa - Monday, October 24, 2005 - link"Mouth-watering benchmarks," yet you can't even recommend it?
The benchmarks are good on this thing, yes, but they don't make it the best drive (which is what, 2 years old at this point?), and with new releases coming out in CPU/Video/RAM which routinely clobber the past competition, this is really kinda sad. I understand all the technology very well, and it has been clear for a while that today's model of the hard-drive won't see any real speed improvements without some major ideas, and no one is coming up with them.
-andy Reply
thatsright - Monday, October 24, 2005 - linkHow is this 'Mouthwatering?'
Just another okay-average HD. The title really is misleading...... Reply
SlinkyDink - Monday, October 24, 2005 - linkon the "Application Load Times (average, seconds)" graph on the Photoshop CS benchmark:
Wy is the Seagate with 8.024 highlighted instead of the Hitachi with 7.984?
yacoub - Monday, October 24, 2005 - link
Being the newest and highest capacity in Seagate's line of hard drives, we chose to look at it exclusively
Why is Anandtech like this now? How about reviewing the other capacities, especially one around 250GB that most people would tend to buy? It's getting a bit ridiculous around here with all the reviews ONLY focusing on the largest, most expensive part available. :[ Reply
jeffrey - Monday, October 24, 2005 - linkI agree, the 160gb would have been a good review due to the platter density. The 400gb would have been a good review due to the combination of higher density and higher cache.
A true Anandtech Quality article needs not only to be a report, but an inquisition.
Great review idea:
160gb drive 160gb platters 8mb cache
400gb drive 133gb platters 16mb cache
500gb drive 125gb platters 16mb cache
The way I see it the perfect follow-up is already 1/3 done. Reply
Nighteye2 - Monday, October 24, 2005 - linkDid anyone else notices how the load times in bold print for both Word 2003 and Photoshop CS are not the minimum load times of all drives tested?
Lord Zado - Monday, October 24, 2005 - linkYeah, I noticed that as well. Was coming here to make that same comment. Reply
PuravSanghani - Monday, October 24, 2005 - linkI got a bit happy with the bold button with the Sox in the World Series! This has been fixed. Reply
Lonyo - Monday, October 24, 2005 - linkIt says evaluation version for non commercial use only in the SS of the HD Tach titelbar, are you guys doing osmething illegal?
I'd call Anandtech a commercial venture :P Reply
mongoosesRawesome - Monday, October 24, 2005 - linkGood eyes. Reply
Basilisk - Monday, October 24, 2005 - linkLast paragraph of article: why on Earth is "cost-effective" linked to M$ Retail Management System Solutions? Or, for that matter, why is "Western-Digital" linked to Yahoo!! Shopping (as opposed to AT Shopping) in a sentence unrelated to pricing? Curiouser and curiouser.... Reply
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kd4yum - Thursday, October 27, 2005 - linkThanks, Kris
Anemone - Monday, October 24, 2005 - linkI've had dozens of WD drives over the years and only 2 (1 was 10+ years old, the other a 6mo old raptor) have ever gone bad. I've killed several IBM drives and a couple Maxtor's along the way.
The raptor is really noticeably faster in day to day use than any other drive I've seen in action. The tests really don't tell the entire story. With several of the drives in my systems virus scans have gone from a couple hours down to 20-30min. It's really that noticeable. What I'd like to see on that front however is for WD to up the drive to 148mb, bring us a genuine native NCQ, and SATA II. The last two features just to bring it up to date, since I'm not yet convinced they make a stunning difference in performance. SATA II may be a technology that will serve better when all drives are 10k standard and raptor types are 15k, meaning when the native ability of the drive itself begins to get a bit better.
Thanks for the detailed review!
Googer - Monday, October 24, 2005 - linkOnce again NCQ did not aide these drives to deliver higher performance. It is my speculation that we will need an Operating System that can take advantage of NCQ before we could see any performance gains from it. Untill then Keep it disabled. Reply
KristopherKubicki - Monday, October 24, 2005 - linkNCQ is very vendor specific. Some drives benefit more than others from it.
Kristopher Reply
PuravSanghani - Monday, October 24, 2005 - linkNCQ is actually beneficial in server applications where disk requests are occuring very frequently as opposed to a desktop PC scenario where disk access is not as critical.
We are trying to research ways to benchmark this but if any of you have any suggestions, please feel free to send an email with any ideas you have.
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Byte - Monday, October 24, 2005 - linkwith an icredible 5 year warranty i exclusively use seagate. Suprisingly i've never had a chance to test out Seagates replacement steps. I've returned dozens of WDs, Maxtors, and IBMs. Looks like seagates on a role. Reply
Griswold - Monday, October 24, 2005 - linkSuch is life. I've seen quite a few Seagates die, yet, never had a problem with WD in more than 10 years of using them.
One persons experience is hardly statistically correct. :) Reply
DrZoidberg - Monday, October 24, 2005 - linkI own a 200gig Seagate 7200.7 SATA, and though the synthetic benchmarks like Winstone, Sysmark, Seagate is like at middle of pack most of the time, when it comes to like Real world tests like loading game levels Seagate is generally faster, sometimes even better than WD Raptor. The File zip times are pretty good as well.
I'm always suprised at this, something that is average in synthetic benchmarks to do quite well in real world tests.
imaheadcase - Monday, October 24, 2005 - linkI think its time to start shipping hardrive coolers standard with drive purchases like they do CPUs. hehe Reply
Scrogneugneu - Monday, October 24, 2005 - linkWell, I still wait the moment I'm supposed to say "Oh dear God this hard disk is fast!"...
It qualifies in the middle of the disks, and under some conditions (in fact, only during the DOOM III loading test) stands out... but it falls short (VERY short) of impressing me...
Did you ever noticed that, for example, during the zip test, the vast majority of the disks differ only by 4 or 5 seconds on a minute of encoding? And in the case of unzipping, it's down to 1 or 2 seconds? Where am I supposed to notice the greater speed?
"I got the fastest hard drive in the world, I can zip my 300 MB files 3 seconds faster than you! You're jaleous, aren't you?" Reply
PrinceGaz - Monday, October 24, 2005 - linkYes, after the earlier promotional article about this drive, and now the title "Mouthwatering Benchmarks", I was expecting to be blown away by the blisteringly fast speed of the drive. It seemed pretty average really, nothing special at all apart from a high capacity (matched by a high price). Reply
blackbrrd - Monday, October 24, 2005 - linkI completely agree, having a title like "Seagate 7200.9 500GB: Mouthwatering Benchmarks" for this review is just wrong. Anandtech might get more hits in the short run, but looses credibility while doing so.
I really don't like review sites that have misleading titles. Reply
Spacecomber - Monday, October 24, 2005 - linkThe results from these benchmarks were about as mouthwatering as a rice cake with nothing on it. Reply
jeffrey - Monday, October 24, 2005 - linkTitling the article "Mouthwatering Benchmarks" and then reading the mid-pack performance lowers the author's credibility.
The drive is big, but it uses lower density plattters, has the highest idle heat, has the highest heat under load, and is 2.6 decibels louder than a 10Krpm Raptor when transferring. Overall performance was mid-pack and not mouth watering.
It would have been a solid review without the title.
Much better than recent video card reviews.
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ss284 - Monday, October 24, 2005 - linkPretty dissapointing figures considering all the marketing crap that was posted a couple weeks back as a full fledged preview on anandtech. The drive neither runs cooler or quieter or faster than the previous generation of drives. Other than the 5 year warranty this drive has nothing over a model from a competing manufacturer, most notably hitachi. Im also suprised that the 160 gb model wasnt tested, since it has 160 gb platters, instead of the 125 in the 500gb model. Reply
LoneWolf15 - Monday, October 24, 2005 - link
quote:One other thing that it has over Hitachi: Seagate (along with WD and Maxtor) offer advance replacement in the event of failure. Hitachi, unfortunately, does not.
Other than the 5 year warranty this drive has nothing over a model from a competing manufacturer, most notably hitachi.
It may sound like a minor gripe, but if I'm trying to save a client's data off a failing drive, it's nice to have the replacement drive handy. Since I've also had a drive company lose a drive on me in the RMA process (not a common occurrence, but I've had it happen) I feel far more secure having advance replacement. I do agree though that performance specs are not as good as expected; the difference is small enough that I'd save money and buy the previous Seagate 7200.8 drives. Reply
smn198 - Monday, October 24, 2005 - linkPlease benchamrk the 160GB model Reply
Penth - Monday, October 24, 2005 - link"you're better off working with a 15K RPM Raptor for now."
I think you meant 10K RPM Raptor, unless WD just dropped a bomb.
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Personal Data is mainly processed in electronic format and in some cases, also as hard copies, such as, for example, when Personal Data processing is necessary to prevent fraud on the Website. Personal Data will be stored in a way that allows for the identification of the User only for the time strictly necessary to the purpose for which the data was collected and subsequently processed and, in any case, within the legal limits. In order to guarantee that the Personal Data is always exact and up-to-date, in any case pertinent and complete, we would ask that you please inform us of any change made to the following e-mail address: email@example.com.
Personal Data will not be disclosed to third parties for any purpose not permitted by the law or without your specific consent. In addition to the companies acting as data supervisors, the Personal Data will also be made available to third parties, independent data controllers, for purposes accessory and related to the provision of the services requested by the User (e.g. for purchase-related transactions). You can obtain and updated list of data supervisors at any time by e-mailing: email@example.com.
Personal Data will not be transferred abroad to any countries other than European Union Member States (apart from companies belonging to the Dainese Group), which do not ensure adequate personal protection levels. If it should be necessary for the pursuit of the Commercial Purposes, we can assure you that the transfer of Personal Data to non-European Union Member States (with the exception of companies belonging to the Dainese Group) and which do not ensure adequate protection levels, will only be carried out upon stipulation by FULLY COMMERCE and said subjects with reference to the Commercial Purposes, or between DAINESE and said subjects with reference to the Website or DAINESE Marketing Purposes, of specific contracts containing clauses safeguarding the protection of the Personal Data, in compliance with the law and applicable regulations.
FULLY COMMERCE and DAINESE may find themselves processing Personal Data pertaining to third parties, disclosed to them directly by the Users, such as, for example, where a User has purchased a product to be delivered to a friend, or when the person paying the price for the purchase of the product differs from the product addressee, or when the User intends to inform a friend of a service or product on sale on the Website. In all these cases, please ensure that consent is obtained from the person to whom the data refers, before disclosing said data to FULLY COMMERCE and/or DAINESE and inform them of this Privacy Policy; the User will be the only party responsible for the disclosure of information and data relating to third parties without their specific request to do so and for any incorrect or unlawful use thereof. In any case, in compliance with the limits laid down by legislation, FULLY COMMERCE and DAINESE shall comply with the disclosure obligation with regards to the User notified and, where necessary, shall request their specific consent upon entering the related Personal Data in their archives.
3. What happens if you refuse to give FULLY COMMERCE and DAINESE your personal data
Conferral to FULLY COMMERCE of Personal Data for the Commercial Purposes (more specifically, personal data, your e-mail address, your postal address, your credit/debit card details and bank details and telephone number) is required for the pursuit of the Commercial Purposes. An refusal to provide FULLY COMMERCE with the Personal Data required to this end may make it impossible to fulfil the contract for the purchase of the products on the Website or to correctly fulfil legal and regulatory requirements. Failure to provide Personal Data may potentially constitute lawful, justified grounds not to fulfil the contract for the purchase of products on the Website. The supply of additional Personal Data, apart from compulsory data, is optional and shall have no consequences as concerns the purchase of products on the Website.
Conferral to DAINESE of Personal Data for Marketing Purposes is always optional and is connected with registration with the Website. Failure to provide such and failure to give consent to processing for Marketing Purposes shall have no consequence in terms of the buying process, except that it will be impossible to complete registration and therefore to benefit from services such as newsletters, generalised or personalised offers and access to reserved promotional areas.
From time to time, we will duly inform you of the compulsory or optional nature of the disclosure of Personal Data to FULLY COMMERCE and DAINESE and any consequences of non-conferral. Please remember that failure to provide optional Personal Data will not result in any obligation or disadvantage for the Users.
4. To whom to we disclose the Personal Data
Personal Data may be made available to third party companies providing specific services on behalf of FULLY COMMERCE and DAINESE, as data supervisors, or disclosed to further third parties - whose names will be specified as applicable -, who process the data independently, purely in order to implement the contract for the purchase of products on the Website (such as, for example, banks, for remote electronic payment services, by means of credit/debit card) and only when this purpose is not incompatible with the purposes for which the Personal Data was collected and subsequently processed and, in any case, in compliance with the law.
More specifically, FULLY COMMERCE uses DAINESE, as external supervisor, to process the Personal Data of Users needed to fulfil, under the scope of the Commercial Purposes, the delivery, return and management of non-conformities in connection with the products purchased on the Website, as better described in the Website Conditions of Sale. To this end, in turn, DAINESE uses professional couriers (UPS, Federal Express, DHL, etc.) for delivery, which, as external supervisors, will process the personal data of Users purely in order to complete the task assigned them.
For the Marketing Purposes, DAINESE also uses third party companies operating as external data supervisors; the supervisors appointed also include FULLY COMMERCE, which provides DAINESE with management services of the on-line DAINESE store, as specifically envisaged in the Conditions of Sale and NWeb S.r.l., with registered office at Viale Francesco Restelli, 1 - 20124 - Milan (MI) - Tax Code and VAT no. 01279550196, which provides DAINESE with mass mailing services for the newsletters, using the MailUp utility.
If the collaboration between FULLY COMMERCE and DAINESE concerning the management by the former of the sales of products pertaining to the latter via the Website should cease, FULLY COMMERCE will send DAINESE the data of all Users who have completed the Website registration procedure, in order to enable it to ensure, for each of said Users:
(a) continued use of the personal credentials;
(b) storage of details of past transactions;
(c) keeping the specific consent given to personal data processing on record.
The Personal Data will not be disclosed, sold or in any other way transferred to third parties unless the Users have been informed of this in advance and given their consent, where required by the law.
5. How is Personal Data collected on the Website
FULLY COMMERCE and DAINESE collect Personal Data and other information directly from the Users as part of the processes that each of the two companies respectively manage (purchase of products on the Website for the stipulation of electronic trade transactions/completion of User registration forms with the Website for the Marketing Purposes of DAINESE).
More specifically, in the pursuit of the Commercial Purposes, under the scope of the buying process of products on the Website, FULLY COMMERCE collects Personal Data (such as personal data, e-mail address, postal address, credit card and bank details, telephone number) by means of the order form for the sale of products on the Website.
This data is processed by FULLY COMMERCE and DAINESE within the limits and for the purposes explained in paragraph 2 above and in the disclosure at the foot of this Privacy Policy.
6. Security measures
FULLY COMMERCE and DAINESE take suitable security measures by which to minimise the risk of the deliberate or accidental destruction or loss of Personal Data, unauthorised access or processing that is either not permitted or not compliant with the purposes of collection, as specified in this Privacy Policy.
As regards the best possible protection of your Personal Data, for all aspects that lie outside the control and management of FULLY COMMERCE and DAINESE, we recommend that you ensure that the computer used has suitable software installed to protect data transmission over the internet, both incoming and outgoing (such as updated anti-virus systems) and that the chosen internet supplier has taken suitable steps to ensure the security of data transmission over the internet (such as firewalls and anti-spamming filters).
7. Compulsory processing
Please note that FULLY COMMERCE and DAINESE may process Personal Data even without consent in certain cases established by the law, such as, for example, where such should be necessary in order to fulfil a legal obligation.
For example, Personal Data can be disclosed to police forces or legal authorities, in compliance with the law and upon formal request by such parties, for example under the scope of anti-fraud services.
8. Rights of the data subjects
The data subject always has the faculty to exercise his/her rights as under Articles 7, 8 and 9 of the Privacy Code, summarised in the disclosure given at the foot of this Privacy Policy.
More specifically, as concerns the processing of your Personal Data for the Marketing Purposes of DAINESE, you may exercise your rights in accordance with Article 7 of the Privacy Code at any time; you also have the right to obtain a list of the supervisors and third parties to whom data has been disclosed, by e-mailing email@example.com or writing to DAINESE S.p.A., Via dell'Artigianato n. 35 – 36060 – Molvena (VI), Italy.
Finally, Users wishing to be cancelled from the DAINESE promotional database and who do not wish to receive any marketing communications in the future may send a specific request to this effect as follows:
1) as per the instructions for cancellation given at the foot of each e-mail message
2) by e-mailing firstname.lastname@example.com, declaring this specific request.
9. Contact details
For more information on how FULLY COMMERCE and DAINESE process Personal Data, please e-mail: firstname.lastname@example.com.
To find out your rights and keep up-to-date on legislation governing personal protection in respect of the processing of Personal Data, we recommend you visit the Italian Data Protection Authority's website www.garanteprivacy.it.
10. Applicable law
This Privacy Policy is governed by Italian law and, in particular, by the Privacy Code, which governs personal data processing - even where held abroad - by anyone resident or based in Italy or by means of instruments situated in Italy.
The Privacy Code guarantees that personal data processing takes place in respect of fundamental freedoms and rights and of the dignity of the data subject, with specific reference to confidentiality, personal identity and the right to the protection of personal data.
11. Amendments and updates to the Website Privacy Policy
FULLY COMMERCE and DAINESE may amend or simply update all or part of the Website Privacy Policy, also to incorporate any changes made to provisions or law or regulation governing this matter and protecting your rights. Amendments and updates to the Website Privacy Policy shall be binding as soon as they are published in this section of the Website. Please, therefore, ensure that you access this section regularly in order to verify the latest, most updated publication of the Website Privacy Policy.
Privacy disclosure pursuant to Article 13 of Italian Legislative Decree no. 196/2003
Please note that the personal data collected will be processed in compliance with legal requirements and the rights assigned to you by the law as data subjects:
A) Processing will involve: the collection over the telephone or using telematic or written means or from public registers, lists of acts and documents and/or public and/or private databases (commercial information companies), the registration, organisation, storage and processing on hard copy, magnetic, automated or telematic storage devices, the processing of data collected by third parties, the amendment, selection, extraction, comparison, use, inter-connection, also with data of other subjects according to qualitative, quantitative and time-related criteria, recurring or as may be defined each time, the temporary processing aimed at ensuring the rapid aggregation or transformation of said data, the taking of decision in automated and/or discretionary form, the creation of profiles and disclosures, the communication, cancellation and destruction of data, or combinations of two or more of the above-mentioned operations;
B) Without prejudice to the disclosure to third parties in accordance with legal obligations or as deriving from European Community legislation or other regulations, we will disclose data to our persons appointed in the administration, marketing, sales, after-sales and claims departments and, abroad, to the following subjects: 1) banks and credit institutes, for payments to be made; 2) insurance businesses (for transport insurance cover); 3) debt collection companies, insurance and/or debt transfer companies; 4) commercial information companies; 5) consultants and professionals; 6) professionals and professional firms (legal, chartered accountants, auditors, etc.); 7) auditors; 8) other companies, entities and/or natural persons providing instrumental activities or activities in support of or functional to the fulfilment of the contracts of services you have requested (e.g. packaging and postal sorting companies, couriers and carriers, sub-suppliers, management companies of commercial information instruments, web space management companies for data archiving). In turn, these subjects will disclose the data to third parties as "controllers" in accordance with Article 28 of Italian Legislative Decree no. 196/2003, independently.
C) Processing and disclosure shall be for the following purposes: 1) to satisfy pre-contractual requirements (e.g. instruction of offers or your orders, solvency verifications); 2) fulfilment of contractual obligations (connected with the supply or purchase of goods and/or services) and legal obligations (e.g. keeping accounts, tax formalities, administrative , accounting and treasury management); 4) management of customers and suppliers; 5) management of facilities and risk control (fraud, insolvency, etc.); 6) management of disputes and credit transfers; 7) financial services instrumental to the management of customers/suppliers and management of electronic payment instruments; 8) insurance services instrumental to customer/supplier management.
The above internal persons appointed by DAINESE may also process the data for purposes relating to 9) profiling, 10) increasing fidelity and 11) the sending of newsletters and other promotional and commercial materials.
D) Your conferral of data is only compulsory for the purpose of that specified under point C) above, from 1 to 8 and, therefore, we require your preventive consent to processing for these purposes. For processing for the purposes indicated under points 9, 10 and 11, consent is not compulsory but failure to give consent will prevent us from implementing the activities required for these purposes.
More specifically, you are informed that the processing for purpose 11 will also entail minimal profiling and fidelity examination activities as are strictly necessary in order to specifically comply with your request to receive newsletters and promotional materials and advertising of your specific and/or exclusive interest, and that, in accordance with Article 130, paragraph 4 of the Privacy Code, there is no need to obtain your consent for us to send you advertising e-mails on products and services similar to those you have already purchased on the Website, unless you specifically refuse this service. Data will be processed for the entire duration of the contract stipulated with you and, thereafter, for the time necessary to allow us to fulfil our legal obligations and keep your business profile, in order to rationalise the selection of customers and/or suppliers. You are free to refuse to give us your consent, however any such refusal will make it impossible to pursue the contract with you.
E) Your data controllers are, each as specifically described in the Privacy Policy, Fully Commerce S.r.l., with registered office in Italy at Via Retrone, 16 - 36077 - Altavilla Vicentina (VI) and DAINESE S.p.A., with registered office at Via dell'Artigianato, 35 - 36060 MOLVENA (VI). For each of the companies, the data supervisor is the legal representative pro tempore. Please contact the controller for any requests relating to the exercise of the rights pursuant to Articles 7, 8 and 9 of Italian Legislative Decree no. 196/2003, as set out below.
F) In relation to your personal data, you may in any case exercise the following rights, as established by Articles 7, 8 and 9 of the Privacy Code: Paragraph 1 (...): to obtain confirmation as to whether or not personal data concerning him/her exists, regardless of whether or not it has been recorded, and to communication of such data in intelligible form; Paragraph 2 (...): to be informed: a) of the source of the personal data; b) of the purposes and methods of processing; c) of the logic applied to the processing, if this is carried out with the help of electronic means; d) of the identification data concerning the data controller, data processors and of the entities or categories of entity to whom or which the personal data may be communicated and who or which may get to know said data in their capacity as designated representative in the State's territory, data processors or persons in charge of the processing. Paragraph 3 (...): to obtain the a) updating, rectification or, where interested therein, integration of the data; b) erasure, anonymisation or blocking of any data that has been processed unlawfully, including data whose retention is unnecessary for the purposes for which it has been collected or subsequently processed; c) certification to the effect that the operations as per letters a) and b) have been notified, as also related to their contents, to the entities to whom or which the data was communication or disclosed, unless this requirement proves impossible or involves a manifestly disproportionate effort compared with the right that is to be protected; Paragraph 4 (...): to object, in whole or in part a) on legitimate grounds, to the processing of personal data concerning him/her, even though relevant to the purpose of the collection; b) to the processing of personal data concerning yourself where it is carried out for the purpose of sending advertising materials or direct selling or else for the performance of market or commercial communication surveys (N.B. where processing data for the purposes described in Paragraph 4 above of Article 7, our company will, however, request specific written consent to this, by means of a suitable disclosure). Article 8, Paragraph 1 (...): The rights referred to in Article 7 may be exercised by making a request to the data controller or processor without formalities, also by the agency of a person in charge of the processing. A suitable response shall be provided to said request without delay. Paragraph 2 (...): Where not regarding objective data, the rights pursuant to Article 7 may be exercised except where concerning the rectification of integration of personal data that relates to evaluations, judgements, opinions or other subjective considerations and the indication of conduct to be adopted or decisions being taken by the data controller. Article 9 Paragraph 1 (...): the request made to the data controller or supervisor can be made a) by letter sent recorded delivery, fax or e-mail, b) if concerning the exercise of the rights pursuant to Article 7, paragraphs 1 and 2, also orally and in this case, it is noted in summary form by the person in charge of processing or the supervisor. Paragraph 2 (...): in exercising the rights above, the data subject may confer a written power of attorney or representation to natural persons, entities, associations or organisations. The data subject may also be assisted by a trusted person. Paragraph 3 (...): the rights pursuant to Article 7 relating to the personal data of the deceased, can be exercised by anyone with an own interest or acting in the protection of the data subject or for family reasons, worthy of protection. Paragraph 5 (...): the request pursuant to Article 7, paragraphs 1 and 2 may be renewed by the data subject, except where there are justified reasons not to, no more than once every ninety days.


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You climb like a one-legged girl! Most people would take this as an insult, but it's a compliment to Heidi Duce. The 17-year-old high school senior spends every weekend wielding an axe and hugging the frozen walls around Ouray, Colorado.
Heidi was born without a calf bone, a rare disease known as fibular hemimelia. Her climbing partner, Sydney Tall, was diagnosed with bone cancer at age six. Both girls underwent a leg amputation at a young age.
Although Heidi grew up in the ice-climbing mecca of Ouray, she didn't start whacking ice axes until this year, when a family friend and mountain-rescue team member, Chris Folsom, introduced her to the sport.
Heidi's amputation posed a few technical challenges, but Folsom figured if she had the will, he would find the way. He consulted with Heidi's prosthetist at Shriners Hospital for Children in Salt Lake City. Scott Hosie provided the equipment and the technical expertise necessary for Folsom to build a crampon that Heidi could screw into the bottom of her leg.
Like all beginners, Heidi tackled the kids' wall, a 60-foot WI 2 toprope. She was 20 feet into her ascent when the crampon snapped. Heidi fell but never lost her composure. Instead, she learned to trust her safety gear, and with that confidence came a growing and insatiable hunger for harder and higher climbs. The fear and work that you put into it, she says. I love every bit of it. When you top out, it's the world's greatest high.
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Sister high school to CB East, and CB South. At West, the kids all know and like each other. You can bet that almost every kid has dip, cigs, cigars, or bud in their backpacks. Except on Friday, thats drug dog day. We'll occasionally fight back and forth with Students from East, but the Tohickon Middle School split is starting to put an end to that. Most of the pranks are friendly. We definitely have cliques here, but when you're in class, or if you have bud, you're suddenly all united. Looks doesn't matter much here, you can get away with almost anything. But pretty much every guy has nike/adidas shoes and socks on. The sports teams are not bad at all, and we strive in certain ones rather then others. Sometimes the tensions Between East and West get to saying one or the other doesn't have a future, but the ironic part is the PSSA scores are practically identical, as well as SAT's. There is typical hysteria that, "west is poor," because of the kids that grow up in town. This is inaccurate however though because the houses in town are worth a very good amount, some worth more then those of East students. In the end though, all the Central Bucks schools are friendly with each other, and West is a great school to go to.
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Folivan-Plus Side Effects
Generic Name: multivitamin with iron
Note: This page contains information about the side effects of multivitamin with iron. Some of the dosage forms included on this document may not apply to the brand name Folivan-Plus.
For the Consumer
Applies to multivitamin with iron: tablets
Check with your doctor if any of these most COMMON side effects persist or become bothersome:
Seek medical attention right away if any of these SEVERE side effects occur while taking multivitamin with iron (the active ingredient contained in Folivan-Plus)
Constipation; dark or green stools; mild diarrhea; nausea; stomach pain; vomiting.
Severe allergic reactions (rash; hives; itching; difficulty breathing; tightness in the chest; swelling of the mouth, face, lips, or tongue); black, tarry stools; numbness or tingling of the skin; severe or persistent stomach pain or cramping.
For Healthcare Professionals
Applies to multivitamin with iron: injectable solution, oral capsule, oral capsule extended release, oral liquid, oral powder for reconstitution, oral tablet, oral tablet chewable, oral tablet extended release
Gastrointestinal side effects associated with oral iron therapy have included nausea, constipation, anorexia, heartburn, vomiting, and diarrhea. These effects are generally dose-related. In addition, stools may appear darker in color in patients taking products containing iron. Iron oral preparations may rarely cause Hemoccult-positive stools, patients with positive tests generally require further work-up.[Ref]
Stained teeth have primarily occurred following ingestion of iron liquid preparation.
Iron overload (i.e., hemosiderosis) has been reported in patients genetically predisposed, or have underlying disorders, that augment the absorption of iron. It has also occurred following administration of excessive parenteral iron therapy, combination of oral and parenteral iron, or in patients with hemoglobinopathies that were erroneously diagnosed as iron deficiency anemia. Hemosiderosis is treated with repeated phlebotomy or long-term administration of deferoxamine. The liver is particularly susceptible to toxicity in iron-overload states.[Ref]
Other side effects associated with oral iron products have included stained teeth and iron overload (hemosiderosis). Secondary hemochromatosis due to prolonged iron ingestion has been reported rarely.[Ref]
Metabolic side effects associated with iron have included decreased absorption of thyroxine (T4).[Ref]
1. Hutchins L, Lipschitz D "Iron and folate metabolism in renal failure." Semin Nephrol 5 (1985): 142-6
2. Brock C, Curry H, Hanna C, Knipfer M, Taylor L "Adverse effects of iron supplementation: a comparative trial of a wax- matrix iron preparation and conventional ferrous sulfate tablets." Clin Ther 7 (1985): 568-73
3. Pollycove M "Iron overload syndromes." Clin Physiol Biochem 4 (1986): 61-77
4. Falk RJ, Mattern WD, Lamanna RW, Gitelman HJ, Parker NC, Cross RE, Rastall JR "Iron removal during continuous ambulatory peritoneal dialysis using deferoxamine." Kidney Int 24 (1983): 110-2
5. M'Seffar A, Fornasier VL, Fox IH "Arthropathy as the major clinical indicator of occult iron storage disease." JAMA 238 (1977): 1825-8
6. Bacon BR "Causes of iron overload." N Engl J Med 326 (1992): 126-7
7. Surks MI, Sievert R "Drugs and thyroid function." N Engl J Med 333 (1995): 1688-94
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Florida House to propose $1,400 pay raise for state workers
Published: Thursday, March 28, 2013 at 4:58 p.m.
Last Modified: Thursday, March 28, 2013 at 4:58 p.m.
TALLAHASSEE — The Florida House is proposing a $1,400 pay raise for state workers.
Rep. Seth McKeel, R-Lakeland and House budget chief, announced Thursday that the House would propose the first across-the-board pay increase for state employees since 2006.
The pay raise — which would take effect on Nov. 1 — would be included in the initial House budget.
Gov. Rick Scott proposed giving employees a $1,200 one-time bonus while also setting aside money for performance bonuses.
Senate leaders have also said they are interested in providing a pay raise to state workers as well.
The House and Senate are working on a new state budget to cover the fiscal year that begins July 1. Legislators have until early May to reach a final deal.
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