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AMD's Richland vs. Intel's Haswell GPU on the Desktop: Radeon HD 8670D vs. Intel HD 4600by Anand Lal Shimpi on 6/6/2013 12:00 PM EST
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coder543 - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkWhy are we not testing versus Crystalwell enabled Iris 5200? This is the most important information, even if it isn't in the same price category necessarily. Reply
testbug00 - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkBecause that makes no sense as a testing point.
The i7 tested is not in the same price gap ether (an i3 would probably lose a lot of this partial CPU stuff) but the iGPU performance barely changes.
And how is that the most important information????? If anything it is the least important as you cannot buy Iris (pro) iGPU 5x00 on desktop unless embedded. Reply
JarredWalton - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkThe bigger factor is that Iris Pro simply isn't available as a desktop part -- it's only available in the BGA package i7-4770R, which OEMs can use in things like all-in-one PCs. The other place where we'll see Iris Pro (for now) is on laptops with the HQ series parts, but again that's not going up against desktops. GT3 and GT3e effectively don't exist as desktop offerings right now, but that's not too surprising as laptops stand to benefit most from improved iGPUs. Reply
jeffkibuule - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkOn the desktop, it's only in one SKU that's only for OEM systems. Reply
FriendlyUser - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkLet me remind you that the Iris5200 is a $650 part. In fact, the ONLY situation where the Crystalwell part makes sense is when TDP and power requirements/battery concerns are the absolute priority. Otherwise, it's much cheaper to get a non-iris part and a separate mobile gpu (say, radeon 8970M) that offers vastly superior performance. Reply
mikk - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkNo this is wrong. Iris Pro starts at 440 USD in mobile. Crossfire is not comparable since you get horrible micro stuttering. Reply
Hrel - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkThey fixed the stuttering a long time ago mikk Reply
Gigaplex - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkIt wasn't that long ago and it's still not completely fixed. Reply
Guspaz - Friday, June 07, 2013 - linkThey improved the stuttering for single GPU use. Both nVidia and AMD suffer from micro stuttering with multi-GPU solutions. It's a different problem set. Reply
Samus - Friday, June 07, 2013 - linkAMD is worse than nVidia's stuttering, but is easily fixed by adding a third GPU. So instead of using two high end cards in Crossfire/SLI, using three mid-high end cards virtually eliminates stutter. Reply
FriendlyUser - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkIndeed, there is a $468 part. You can still fit a decent dGPU and a decent CPU on that budget for, once again, vastly superior performance. And you don't need crossfire but you do lose on power consumption, which is the only point the Iris has for it. Reply
iwod - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkI wonder how much discount do OEM generally gets from Intel. 30% off Tray $440 @ $308/chip ? If the CPU used to cost them $200 and $100 for the GPU, i guess the space saving of 2in1 solution, less power usage, while giving similar performance is going to be attractive enough. Reply
testbug00 - Friday, June 07, 2013 - linkMy desktop costed less than that... Mine probably is a little slower even with 1.1Ghz GPU and 4.4 CPU (my A10-5800K w/ 1866 OCed to 2133) Reply
Sabresiberian - Friday, June 07, 2013 - linkYah, for me, the only consideration for a system with on-die CPU graphics is if I buy a low-end notebook that I want to do a little gaming on, and the chips with Iris price themselves out of that market. I've recommended AMD for that kind of product to my friends before, and I don't see any reason to change that. Reply
Sabresiberian - Friday, June 07, 2013 - linkWhat does Crossfire have to do with it? Using on-die graphics with an added discrete card doesn't have anything to do with Crossfire. Reply
max1001 - Friday, June 07, 2013 - linkBecause AMD like to call APU+GPU combo Hybird Crossfire. Reply
Spunjji - Friday, June 07, 2013 - linkWho said anything about Crossfire?! Reply
MrSpadge - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkNo, Crystalwell also makes sense on any high-performance part. Be it the topmost dekstop K-series or the Xeons. That cache can add ~10% performance in quite a few applications, which equals 300 - 500 MHz more CPU clock. And at 300$ there'd easily be enough margin left for Intel. But no need to push such chips... Reply
Gigaplex - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkThere isn't a single K-series part with Crystalwell. Reply
mdular - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkAs others have already pointed out it's not the "most important information" at all. Crystalwell isn't available on a regular desktop socket.
Most importantly though, that is also for a good reason: Who would buy it? At the price point of the Crystalwell equipped CPUs you would get hugely better gaming performance with an i3/i5/FX and a dedicated GPU. You can build an entire system from scratch for the same amount and game away with decent quality settings, often high - in full HD.
There is a point to make for HTPCs, gaming laptops/laplets, but i would assume that they don't sell a lot of them at the Crystalwell performance target.
Since the article is about Desktops however, and considering all of the above, Crystalwell is pretty irrelevant in this comparison. If you seek the info on Crystalwell performance i guess you will know where to find it. Reply
Death666Angel - Sunday, June 09, 2013 - link"Who would buy it?" If it was just the added cost of the eDRAM put on top of the -K SKU (so 50€ or something on top of the i5-4670K and i7-4770K) I'd buy it in a heartbeat. First of all, it offers better QS functionality and second of all, the 128MB L4 cache is not exclusive to the iGPU, but can be used for the CPU as well, which offers some serious performance gains in programs that can make use of it. Reply
shinkueagle - Sunday, June 09, 2013 - linkBecause it stupid to make such a comparison... And even more stupid of you to bring up such NONSENSE.... Reply
gfluet - Monday, June 10, 2013 - linkMostly because there are no Desktop Crystalwells yet, and the comparios is between socketed CPUs.
But yeah, I look forward to when AnandTech gets a review model of the I7-4770R. I want to put one of those in a supercompact system. Reply
Ewram - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkExcuse me, but what is the MSRP of the A10-6800k versus the i7-4770k? Also, wouldn't benchmarks also be affected by CPU performance to at least some extent? Reply
3DoubleD - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkGiven how GPU and memory bandwidth limited these systems are, I'm sure the difference in CPU performance plays only a small if not negligible role in the final score.
Even if we were talking a single 7970, the difference between AMD and Intel was pretty insignificant http://anandtech.com/show/6985/choosing-a-gaming-c... Reply
CannedTurkey - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkThe i7-4770 is roughly double the price of the A10-6800. Reply
BSMonitor - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkMSRP really isn't a valid comparison here as they are entirely different price points/target audiences. The point is to test the iGPU capability.
AMD and Intel have very different approaches to iGPU and processor SKU's, today. AMD and it's Fusion are specifically targeting low price points where AMD believes the value of an iGPU is most attractive. The CPU cores are similar to its FX line, but it's an entirely different die than its flagship desktop parts which have NO iGPU whatsoever.
Intel on the desktop for the mostpart has a single die for all its mainstream Core i7's down to budget Core i3, Pentiums. The Core i7's iGPU isn't really focused on giving a budget gaming experience. And this is where Anand's criticism is aimed. They could make an amazing APU with a very balanced iGPU and CPU on the high end desktop parts but have chosen not to. It would seem the powers that be have decided there is no market for Iris Pro and its high end desktop parts.
MSRP would be a valid comparison in the Mobile Core i7 with Iris Pro vs the Richland Mobile parts. Reply
silverblue - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkPerhaps. In that case, the price of the CPU would be partially obscured by the total BOM. If Iris Pro is that good, and you got double performance for twice the price, it wouldn't be too bad. Reply
Concillian - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - link"Intel on the desktop for the mostpart has a single die for all its mainstream Core i7's down to budget Core i3, Pentiums. "
Not true. Dual core and quad core have had different silicon since they started the i3 / i5 / i7 naming convention. I'm no mobile expert, but I know that on the desktop i3 has never had the same die as i7. Reply
eanazag - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkA10-6800K is sitting around $150 on Newegg, while the 4770K is pushing $349 daisies. The comparison is still sensible and useful. Spend less money on Intel CPU and the clocks go down. So in an iGP setting for gaming AMD makes more sense, but if you throw a discrete card in the mix you'll have to rethink what your goals are. After staring at those prices, for a gaming only rig I might rather spend the price difference on a discrete card and call it a day if the monitor resolution is 1080p or less. Reply
BSMonitor - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkNo, the comparison is absolutely meaningless. You are saying that someone's decision to buy a Core i7 4770 is influenced by the iGPU. It is not. Reply
Ortanon - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkThe comparison isn't for people buying Core i7 lol. You wouldn't need a comparison if you were already going to buy it. The comparison is exactly what it says: Radeon HD 8670D vs. Intel HD 4600. Reply
BSMonitor - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkThat's what I said. He is saying the price between the two should also matter. And as you say, people buying a Core i7 are not comparing iGPUs. Reply
BSMonitor - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkThe comparison in question is not the article... It's the price comparison, go back to the beginning of the thread. Reply
silverblue - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkUnless you're very much interested in QuickSync, that is. Reply
jjj - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - link1080p monitors can be found even bellow 100$ ,there isn't really a point in reviewing desktop anything bellow 1080p. going lower to find where a game becomes playeble is fine but the review should have 1080p tests even if the products are not good enough.
Would be nice if Kaveri would double the SP count but AMD might be going for a smaller die to cut costs given their difficult financial situation. Wouldn't quite match the Xbox in perf but would be close enough and could do a decent job at playing console ports for the next few years. Reply
DigitalFreak - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkWhy test at a resolution where you're not going to get playable frame rates? If you can only get playable frame rates @ 768p by running medium quality, I'm pretty sure it's going to be unplayable at anything other than low / minimum @ 1080p. Reply
jjj - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkthat's one of the points ,"you are pretty sure" not sure because the review doesn't do it's job to show you for sure and if you want a clear picture you need to look elsewhere. Reply
Death666Angel - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkConsidering that nothing here is playable at 900p, it is quite possible to extrapolate that 1080p won't be playable either. So I'm pretty fine with them not testing it. If you get a $150 APU to play the latest games at 1080p (a resolution much larger than current consoles support in gaming, might I add), you are deluded. Reply
britjh22 - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkAre the tests currently set up to show higher res but lower detail settings? I know there is a set benchmark settings that they use to normalize, which is fine for high end CPU/mid to high end GPU testing. If I remember correctly the setting, as they climb in "quality" (low, medium, high) increase both resolution and detail concurrently. With Trinity/Richland and eventually Kaveri, it would be interesting to see if these APU's can handle recent games at higher resolution, but lower detail settings. Essentially can you get any recent games to play at common resolutions, even if you have to crank down settings. Reply
whatthehey - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkI can't imagine anyone really wanting minimum quality 1080p over Medium quality 1366x768. Where it makes a difference in performance, the cost in image quality is generally too great to be warranted. (e.g. in something like StarCraft II, the difference between Low and Medium is massive! At Low, SC2 basically looks like a high res version of the original StarCraft.) You can get a reasonable estimate of 1080p Medium performance by taking the 1366x768 scores and multiplying by .51 (there are nearly twice as many pixels at 1080p as at 1366x768). That should be the lower limit, so in some games it may only be 30-40% slower rather than 50% slower, but the only games likely to stay above 30FPS at 1080p Medium are older titles, and perhaps Sleeping Dogs, Tomb Raider, and (if you're lucky) Bioshock Infinite. I'd be willing to wager that relative performance at 1080p Medium is within 10% of relative performance at 1366x768 Medium, though, so other than dropping FPS the additional testing wouldn't matter too much. Reply
THF - Friday, June 07, 2013 - linkYou're wrong. Most people who take Starcraft 2 seriously are actually playing on the highest resolution they can get, with the low detail setting. Sure, the game looks flashier, but it's easier to play with less detail. All pros do it.
Also, as for myself, I like to have the games running on native resolution of the display. It makes "alt-tabbing" (or equivalent thereof on Linux) much more responsive. Reply
Calinou__ - Friday, June 07, 2013 - link+1, "Low" in today's AAA games is far from ugly if you keep the texture detail to the maximum. Reply
tential - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkThis is my BIGGEST pet peeve with some reviewers who will test 1080p and only show those results when testing these types of chips. All of the frame rates will be unplayable yet they'll try to draw "some conclusion" from the results. Test resolutions where the minimum frame rate is like 20-25 fps by the contenders so I can see how smooth it actually will be when I play.
I didn't purchase an IGP solution to play 10 FPS games at 1080p. I purchased it to play low resolution at OK frame rates. Reply
zoxo - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkI always start by setting the game to my display's native res (1080p), and then find out at what settings can I achieve passable performance. I just hate non-native resolution too much :( Reply
taltamir - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkbecause you render at a lower res and upscale with iGPUs Reply
jamyryals - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkLove that Die render on the first page. It's dumb, but I always like seeing those. Reply
Homeles - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkIt's not dumb. You can learn a lot about CPU design from them. Reply
Bakes - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkNot that it really matters but I think he's saying it's dumb that he always likes seeing those. Reply
Gigaplex - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkHomeles' comment could be interpreted in a way that agrees with you and says it's not dumb to like seeing them because you can learn lots. Reply
taltamir - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - link"Richland maintains a 17 - 50% GPU performance advantage (~30% on average) over Intel's HD 4600 (Haswell GT2)"
And yet consumes more then 2x the power according to your own charts.
And what about the CPU performance? These are desktop parts not laptop parts, their iGPU performance is meaningless Reply
silverblue - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkDid you skip just to the conclusion? The reason as to a lack of CPU benchmarks is on the first page.
How much power would a 4770K with a GT640 use, incidentally? And at the other end of the scale, what about that 4600M which is rated at 35W yet in a couple of tests beat even the 4770K with its HD 4600? You're asking for results that Anand hasn't managed to grab just yet for reasons as stated on the first page.
There's some strange results in here. In the 3DMark: Fire Strike Extreme test, all three APUs have the same result, but in 3DMark06, the 6800K significantly beats everything else. However, regardless of one or two oddities, the 6800K isn't a real progression over the 5800K... but it was never really made out nor expected to be. Reply
FriendlyUser - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkWho cares about power on the desktop? What are you running, a server farm? We're not talking about a 200W part here. The Richland is easy enough to cool as it is. Just because intel based its strategy around a mobile part doesn't mean we have to run behind absolute power/performance ratios. Price/performance makes more sense for the average user.
Also, iGPU is very important at that price point. If a $150 CPU saves you a $80 GPU, it's quite attractive. USA readers probably can afford to spend $200 for a dGPU, but struggling european economies and the developing world are a big part of the international market. Reply
ChoadNamath - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - link"iGPU performance is meaningless" ...except in an APU, where it's pretty much the whole point. Reply
shing3232 - Sunday, June 09, 2013 - linkit would not be meaningless for low end desktop. and it is not 2x power consumption in real world. they also have A10-6700 65W TDP Reply
whyso - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkWell I think this also shows how close mobile will be. Gt2 at slightly lower speeds than the 4770k (say 1200 mhz 3MB cache for an i5/i3 vs 1300 mhz 8MB cache for 4770k) will be about 10-15% slower. Mobile trinity is going to be approximately equal to haswell mobile gt2 and richland may be slightly ahead but the gap is largely gone. Reply
FriendlyUser - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkI have always wondered why would anyone paying $330 for a high-end CPU care for a barely adequate iGPU. It's much more reasonable to expect that people looking at the $150 price point will appreciate an iGPU, especially one that is quite decent. The cheapest GT640 I could find was ~$85 (local price), which is no small change. And don't think that the GT640 will get the same scores if paired with the i3... Reply
whyso - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkyes it will, 640 is way to weak to be bottlenecked by an i3. Reply
Spunjji - Friday, June 07, 2013 - linkIndeed. It'll still cost more, though! Reply
BSMonitor - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkThe vast majority of these CPUs do not go to gamers... Their performance is more than acceptable for a large number of use cases if an OEM doesn't want to include a dGPU. However for $330 you get CPU performance that AMD cannot touch at ANY price point or performance/watt.. Reply
FriendlyUser - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkI see your point. But how many of these users need the CPU performance of the 4770? Do you think that the average business user needs a 4770 to do excel and answer emails? Will he even notice the difference? I can't really show you statistics, but I imagine that a big part of demanding users are in fact gamers. Reply
JDG1980 - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkI understand why the average Intel CPU has an integrated graphics processor, but the K-series parts are specifically targeted at enthusiasts. Why don't they omit the IGP from those? Reply
Gigaplex - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkQuickSync is one possible answer. Another is that enthusiasts tend to swap out GPUs more frequently than other demographics so having a basic iGPU can come in handy for diagnostics now and then. And not all enthusiasts are gamers. Reply
dbcoopernz - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkAre you going to look at HTPC performance for Richland? e.g. madVR, refresh rate timings. Reply
RoyYoung - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkThanks for the squeezing this out in such a short turn around. However I just don't think this is useful or new. I have never met anyone in the market for an i7 xxxxk cpu looking to play AAA game using the iGPU, have you? The iGPU in the i7 is just a bonus because it shares a die with the mobile counterpart, and gives you quick sync if prefer speed over quality in your transcoding.
In today's market, the only reason to invest in the space, noise , heat, and money for a desktop gaming PC is to play games at 1080p or higher. Just get a Xbox if you need 720p. From the benchmarks its clear that neither the i-7 Haswell nor the Richland are playable at 900p let alone 1080p. On the other hand, the same tests at 768p on mobile Richland and Haswell parts makes perfect sense given the typical resolution and thermal of laptops. Given the power usage delta between the AMD and Intel desktop parts, I suspect the race is going to be a lot closer in the laptop race. Reply
kallogan - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkRichland is really lame. I mean it brings barely peanuts over Trinty. Why even release that. And it's expensive. Desktop parts are really boring right now. Reply
kyuu - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkI'd be interested in seeing if you can get a stable RAM clock @ 2400MHz, and if so, how much Richland scales with that. Hope you take a look at when you do the more thorough piece. Reply
johnny_boy - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkAPUs scale very well with faster memory almost regardless of timings. I'd like to see Richland benchmarks with DDR3 2400, though I can already make a pretty good guess of what those figures would look like. Reply
Samastrike - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkSo what I'm seeing here is very similar GPU performance to trinity for $20 more? Except in 3Dmark06 where it suddenly has a huge jump. Doesn't strike me as worth it. Reply
firewall597 - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkI'm a little disappointed that AMD cared to release this as a new model generation at all. There's barely enough argument to avoid throwing the "rebranding" flag. Shoulda just fit the upclocked parts appropriately into the current gen's numbering and adjusted prices accordingly.
The effort is appreciated always, but the marketing is somewhat misleading from the surface. Reply
jrs77 - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkSorry to say, but if you wanna play games, then grab a dedicated GPU. Noone plays modern games with integrated GPUs. iGPUs are only good for some casual gaming that don't demand any powerful GPU.
The only thing I'm interested in is the CPU-part and intel wins this comparison by a mile. AMD needs better CPU-performance or they'll never win me back as a customer for desktop-parts. Reply
Voldenuit - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkExactly. I'm mystified by Richland's existence. Exactly where does it make sense for desktop users?
If you're gaming on a desktop and you're on a budget, it's more expensive than the outgoing A10 5800K and not much faster. Nor does it make any games playable that were unplayable before on the older APU.
If you're gaming on the desktop and budget is not the biggest factor, why even bother looking at AMD parts right now?
If you're planning on a HTPC build the 100W TDP is too high. Get a Haswell or an older (and lesser model number) Trinity APU.
If you plan to build your own all-in-one, again the TDP is too high.
So why would anyone buy Richland on the desktop? It's $20 (15%) more expensive than the A10 5800K but only ~5% faster. Is there +1000 model number simply there to justify the price hike? Reply
silverblue - Friday, June 07, 2013 - linkIt's slightly better silicon released to make AMD look a little better. There's also the much touted software bundle they've been mentioning - AMD seems to be more about the "experience" nowadays.
As an upgrade to my old PII X3 710, it'd be significant... but the GPU wouldn't be better than my 4830. Kaveri, on the other hand, would likely improve on the latter as well as providing more than double my current CPU speed. In 2009, the CPU and GPU cost me approx. £180 (about $250?), but in 2013, I'd be surprised if I had to pay more than two thirds of that for something much better. :) Reply
Calinou__ - Friday, June 07, 2013 - linkThere are games that don't require a powerful GPU and are hard to play. Reply
kgh00007 - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkFor **** sake please increase the size of the text on your site, it's too small and I'm getting eye strain reading all the articles on Computex, do you not listen to your readers, the text is too small!!!
Sent from my nexus 7 with eye strain! Reply
Gigaplex - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - linkIt's too big for me, so I just use the zoom setting on my browser. I suggest you try the same, or stop using a 7" tablet. Reply
kgh00007 - Friday, June 07, 2013 - linkI suggest you stop giving useless advice, I'm not going to stop using my tablet. Even with text at 120% the text is too small and the text on other websites is huge @ 120%.
The text on every other website I have ever visited on my nexus 7 is fine, so why can't anandtech be the same? There is an issue here that needs to be resolved. Reply
bji - Friday, June 07, 2013 - linkRegardless of your feelings, posting about your issue in this discussion is off topic and pointless as Anand is not going to read and act on your post.
I'd say to write to Anand directly but I've tried that and it seems the emails go ignored anyway. I think you either just have to live with the site as it is or stop visiting the site. But whatever you do, don't introduce more off topic posts please. Reply
duploxxx - Friday, June 07, 2013 - linkby not running the trinity on supported max mem you effected the whole review, Richland ends up in that case being a very minor update....
On top of that not a single word on the improved power.
But then again as you mention with all the things around with Intel and all the nice motherboards linup for hasswell etc why even bother its just AMD. pls continue the efforts like this, a few years from know you regret that you will need to pay double for the same cpu, dominiated predefined designs by marketing geeks etc... way to go Reply
DeviousOrange - Friday, June 07, 2013 - linkIts pointless doing a iGPU review if you don't have frame metering factored in. Tomshardware, Techreport, PCPer all did frame transition ratings and this is where HD4600 took a massive beating, in most titles showed up Intel's iGPU to hit 60+ms frame lags while the APU is very low latencies for many titles at lower resolutions (sub HD) is under 1ms where Intel spikes will result in noticeable lags and stutters despite looking close on FPS which are basically not worth what they were.
BF3 @ 1080 on low settings with DDR3 2400 on my 5800K manages about 30FPS but its almost lag free, tested on HD4000 was completely undesireable to even persist, basically playing a slideshow, since HD4600 doesn't fix this much it still puts AMD top in the iGPU stakes by a healthy margin irrespective of frames per second. Since we are comparing top vs top there is no ambiguity. THG showdown between a i3 and 6800K was interesting, a 6800K can beat a i3 + 6670 in a few titles so that is another testiment to the improvement of APU technology. Reply
mrSmigs - Friday, June 07, 2013 - linkIt still amazes me that websites bench the i7s vs the amd a10 platforms. Whole a10 systems can be purchased for the price of an i7 CPU. Why dont you test a $200 graphics card in an a10 system vs the i7 integrated graphics - if this is the case and show people what they can get (for their $350 dollars spent on cpu + graphics)???? The closest price processor from intel vs 6800k that i found locally was an i3 3240. Why dont you use these in the comparisons?????? Why use a Gt640 only with an i7 & not on the amd system to show the cpu bias in the benches??? Reply
DeviousOrange - Friday, June 07, 2013 - linkWhile yes the i7 being the fastest mainline part available and x86 will help distort its numbers a bit nevertheless the issue is not x86, the issue is iGPU performance only. That being said the i7 4770K and A10 6800K are both the top line parts in review so there is no ambiguity as to one being entry level and the other top line, these are both flagships so the test is top product on top product iGPU showdown.
What is disappointing is Anandtech still don't have any workable Frame Scaling tool to asses performance as Frames Per Second means diddly squat where Frame Latency is the true indicator. As before the A10 is always below 10ms and often below 1ms while the i7's HD4600 often hits 60ms+ latencies which is basically a microstut.tut.tut.tut.tut.ter.
I haven't personally tested HD4600 but I have been told it has boosted FPS but in terms of frame transistions which are often a combination of hardware and driver support that HD4600 is not much better so again while HD4600 is close in FPS in some instance, its very far off in latency. In short I would rather have a iGPU average 27FPS but have 0.1ms latencies opposed to 35FPS with 50ms latencies. Reply
mrSmigs - Friday, June 07, 2013 - linkThe comparison is amd's budget apu line vs intels top desktop line. You should throw a radeon 7850 in the amd system to even up the specs (at least dollars wise) and then run a few graphics benches... please someone do a comparison i7-4770k with its iGPU vs a10-6800k+7850hd in gaming. im pretty sure i could guess the winner here... Reply
sireangelus - Friday, June 07, 2013 - linkJust think about the performance of a i74770KR... 128 mb of L4 cache, an amount to put to shame any server Reply
Phiro69 - Friday, June 07, 2013 - link" AMD is proud of its valiation on the A10-6800K" - you mean validation, right? Reply
halbhh2 - Friday, June 07, 2013 - linkWhile it is interesting to see gaming benches, since I might game on an HTPC, I'm actually thinking more on how perfectly the chips can display a 4K video, *and* I'm interested in whether I can run 2 HD movies (two at once) on 2 displays without any dropped frames or stutters (this actually matters a bit at the moment for me). I know there is one article here for the Intel 4600 graphics re 4K. Reply
hobagman - Saturday, June 08, 2013 - linkAnand, I think this is a waste of time. I don't know anybody who buys desktops anymore, unless they intend to use it as a workstation or as a gaming platform. In the first case, they don't usually care about graphics, and in the second case, they will absolutely have discrete graphics and these graphics benchmarks are utterly irrelevant. I like this website and appreciate the work, but I would rather you spend your time on something more useful for us -- for example, comparing the notebook platform integrated graphics would be reasonable. This article puzzles me. Reply
fteoath64 - Saturday, June 08, 2013 - link"comparing the notebook platform integrated graphics would be reasonable.". There are many reviews about IGP for the APUs for specific users or gamers. This article highlights how much AMD has arrived in terms of gpu and cpu balance in their desktop and notebook parts (ie APUs specifically) which will pose a serious challenge to Intel's dominance. To many, Intel based cpu with IGP is clearly not the way to go only Intel cpu plus Nvidia discrete gpu or go the APU route and compromise cpu somewhat gaining close to discretely gpu performance for way less money.
Also shows that Intel 4600 IGP has gone a long way to within striking distance of AMD APU gpus but not good enough as the sliding scale of reference MOVES each time Intel approaches. The GT3e potentially can match a NV 650M discrete but at the cost of Intel $$$ to the user. Most manufacturers rather go Nvidia discrete which is cheaper and better as well. So unless Intel goes into heterogeneous core architecture chips for cpus, there is nothing really new in their offering. Reply
zyky - Saturday, June 08, 2013 - linkWith the dozens of different configurations that call themselves "GT 640" It's pretty important to specify which one was used in these tests. GF116? GK107? GK208? GDDR3? GDDR5? Reply
Ryan Smith - Tuesday, June 18, 2013 - linkThere's only one retail GT 640 (as of this article); the GK107 based DDR3 version. Reply
Will Robinson - Sunday, June 09, 2013 - linkLOL...NeelyCam must be crying his eyes out over those results.
Good work AMD! Reply
Wurmer - Sunday, June 09, 2013 - linkI still find this article interesting even if IGP are certainly not the main focus of gamers. I don't consider myself a hardcore gamer but I don't game on IGP. I am currently using a 560 GTX which provides me with decent performances in pretty much any situation. On the other hand, it gives an idea of the progress made by IGP. I certainly would enjoy more performance from the one I am using at work which is a GMA 4500 paired with a E8400. There are markets for good IGP but gaming is not of them. As I see it, IGP are more suited to be paired with low to mid CPUs which would make very decent all around machine. Reply
lordmetroid - Monday, June 10, 2013 - linkUsing high end games that will never be played on the internal graphic processor is totally pointless, why not use something like ETQW? Reply
skgiven - Monday, June 10, 2013 - linkLooks like you used a 65W GT640, released just over a year ago.
You could have used the slightly newer and faster 49W or 50W models or a 65W GTX640 (37% faster than the 65W GT640).
Better still a GeForce GT 630 Rev. 2 (25W) with the same performance as a 65W GT640!
(I'm sure you don't have every GPU thats ever been released lying around, so just saying whats there).
An i7-4770K, or one of its many siblings, costs ~$350.
For most light gaming and GPU apps, the Celeron G1610T (35W) along with a 49W GT640 would outperform the i7-4770K.
The combined Wattage is exactly the same - 84W but the relative price is $140!
Obviously the 25W GK208 GeForce GT 630 Rev. 2 would save you another $20 and give you a combined TDP of 60W, which is 40% better than the i7-4770K.
It's likely that there will be a few more GT600 Rev.2 models and the GK700 range has to fill out. Existing mid-range GPU's offer >5times the performance of the i7-4770K.
The reasons for buying an i7 still have little or nothing to do with its GPU! Reply
skgiven - Monday, June 10, 2013 - link- meant GTX645 (not GTX640) Reply
NoKidding - Monday, June 24, 2013 - linki shudder to think what an a10 kaveri can bring to the table considering it'll be equipped with amd's gcn architecture and additional ipc improvements. low price + 4 cores + (possibly) hybrid xfire with a 7xxx series radeon? a great starting point for a decent gaming rig. not to mention that the minimum baseline for pc gaming will rise from decent to respectable. Reply
Silma - Friday, June 28, 2013 - linkSometimes I really don't understand your comparisons and even less the conclusions.
Why compare a Richland to a Haswell when obviously they will get used for totally different purposes? Who will purchase a desktop Haswell without graphic card for gaming? Why use super expensive 2133 memory with a super bad processor?
There are really 3 conclusions to be had:
- CPU-Wise Richland sucks aplenty
- GPU-Wise there is next to no progress as compared to Trinity, the difference being fully explained by a small frenquency increase.
- If you want cheap desktop gaming you will be much better server by a Pentium G2020 + Radeon HD6670 or HD 7750 for the same price as a crappy A6800 or A6700. Reply
XmenMR - Monday, September 02, 2013 - linkYou make me laugh. I normally do not post comments on these things based on the fact that I read them just to get a laugh, but I do have to point out how wrong you are. I have a G1620, G2020, i3-3240, A8, A10 and a more and have ran benchmarks with a 6450, 6570, 6670, 7730, 7750 and 7770 for budget build gaming computers for customers.
Your build of a G2020 with a 6670 in my test was beaten, hands down by the A10-6800k hxf with 7750 (yes I said it, hybrid crossfire with 7750, it can be done although not popular supported by AMD). G2020 with 6670 will run you about $130, and an A10 with 7750 is about $230. To match the A10 hxf 7750 ($230 value) performance with Intel I did have to use 7750/7770 or higher with the Pentiums and I3+7750 ($210 value) did quite well but still was beaten in quite a few things graphics related.
Point being a discrete GPU changes the whole aspect of the concept. I3+7750 are very close to A10+hxf7750 in more ways than just performance, but that's not the point of this Topic. It was AMD 8670D vs Intel HD 4600. I know lots of people that buy Intel i5 and i7 and live off the iGPU thinking one day they would have the money to get a nice GPU and call it good, %60 of the time this does not happen, new tech comes out that's better and they just change their minds and try to get a whole new system. The APU on the other hand would have been cheaper and performed better for what they needed, had they just gone that road, and I am not the only one that came to that conclusion. AMD has done a great job with the APU and after testing many myself, I have become a believer. Stock i5 computer for $700 got smashed by stock A10 $400 in CS6 sitting side by side, I could not believe it. I do not have to argue how good the APU is doing because Microsoft and Sony have already done it. So I leave with a question. If the APU was not a fantastic alternative that delivers a higher standard of graphics performance, then why are they going to be used in the Xbox1 and PS4? Reply
ezjohny - Tuesday, September 10, 2013 - linkwhen are we going to get a APU where you could go in game an adjust the graphic setting to very high with out a bottle neck! Reply
nanomech - Sunday, December 08, 2013 - linkThis is a slanted review. The i7 with the separate Nvidia card skews the results, perhaps erroneously, toward Intel. How about the A10 with the same separate Nvidia card and/or the comparable separate AMD video card? The performance difference can be quite drastic.
IMHO, one should compare apples to apples as much as possible. Doing so yields a much more complete comparison. I realize that these APUs tout their built-in graphic abilities, but Intel is trying to do so as well. It's the only way to give the CPU part of the APU a fair shake. That or leave the i7-Nvidia results out completely. Reply
alphacrasher - Tuesday, December 10, 2013 - linkWith Xeons you are getting into multi-proccessor boards, which brings up a question I have been wondering about.
Does AMD have any plans to make their new APU's multiprocessor and crossfire capable? At that price point I wouldn't mind buying two of them to stick on a motherboard... Reply
boogerlad - Wednesday, December 25, 2013 - linkFor the Luxmark Benchmark, is it cpu only, gpu only, or is it both? Reply


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AMD Unveils Turion 64 Mobile Technology: A Rebranded Mobile Athlon 64by Anand Lal Shimpi on 3/10/2005 12:00 AM EST
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Regs - Friday, April 01, 2005 - linkOf course we would of bashed Intel for rebranding a P4 for mobile. It would be a POS. But I praise the P-M. If I was willing to spend 2-3k on a laptop, I would chose it any day over AMD. And I'm even a AMD fanboi. Reply
bhtooefr - Monday, March 14, 2005 - linkTo clear up any confusion:
The Turion 64 ML series is obviously a 90nm Mobile A64 (both are 35W, both are S754, etc., etc.) However, the MT series is a 90nm 25W Mobile A64. There is a difference, just not a big one.
Myself, I'm waiting for a Geode 64. Seeing as the Turion 64 is hitting higher clock speeds at lower voltages than the AXP-M, a Geode 64 is very likely... Actually, I'm waiting on the dev board - hopefully, it'll be Mini-ITX ;-) Reply
mac2j - Sunday, March 13, 2005 - linkI've been waiting for these forever - I'm so excited they're finally here but I'm dissapointed in the lackluster vendor support.
I thought I heard HP/Compact was planning a Turion 64 laptop for next month. And what about the gaming vendors like Alienware, Vector, Velocity and ABS? Reply
Slaimus - Sunday, March 13, 2005 - linkI thought the chip is supposed to be vastly different than the A64. AMD had a whole separate design team to do this, and all they could come up with is just underclocking a E-revision A64? Reply
larciel - Saturday, March 12, 2005 - linkReply
Viditor - Friday, March 11, 2005 - linkQuestar - "Did you forget about the ultra low voltage Pentium M that's only 5.5 watts?"
Since it's not used in laptops, they probably ignored it...but to be fair, they also ignored:
1. The ULP Opteron and A64
2. The data showing that TDP for Intel and AMD are based on different things (meaning that an Intel TDP of 27w is probably about equal to an AMD TDP of 35w because Intel uses probable power and AMD uses max theoretical power).
3. Chipset power utilization
"No chipsets from AMD either"
Both Via and ATI have announced and shipped their chipsets already...Via's is the K8N800A, and ATI's is the mobile version of the Radeon Xpress 200.
SIS and Nvidia are due to release theirs in the next 2 weeks... Reply
stephenbrooks - Friday, March 11, 2005 - linkPersonally I'll be interested in these chips in laptops because I do a lot of the sort of stuff (floating point...) that I know the A64 architecture is so good at. I suppose if I were a digital video buff I might prefer the P-M.
Incidentally... 2GHz! That is not bad. Even 1.8GHz used to be a "high" clock speed for AMD quite recently I recall, and now it's in 25W. Reply
GoatHerderEd - Friday, March 11, 2005 - link#25, nice comment (=
#30, nice, bring the picture comments over here. I will be the first to say, Why did you use JPG? They are so HUGE! LMAO JK.
#33, yes, go to the UK. Reply
Imaginer - Friday, March 11, 2005 - linkIMO, I know that AMD doesnt have the luxury of controlling what it will brand with the mobile 64 for the Turion platform but that integration is what made the Centrino partly in its success.
One thing i can think of is the software issues. There isnt multiple platforms or chips to worry about, just one set of 3 components dictated by Intel to a certain standard.
Second, even though I like the power consumption of AMD's chip compared to the P4, its nowhere near the Pentium M in this case. Also while we are in the area of power consumption, I am sure that AMD will require the third party manufacturs to have chips under a certain power rating but I dont know if that will be the case. Reply
yanon - Friday, March 11, 2005 - linkApperantly, Packard Bell is thriving in Western Europe but it has completely disappeared from North America. Reply
yanon - Friday, March 11, 2005 - link"ASUS, Averatec, BenQ, MSI and Packard Bell are among the leading, global computer manufacturers who have indicated they will support AMD Turion 64 mobile technology."
Packard Bell !!! Does it still exist? Reply
RockHydra11 - Thursday, March 10, 2005 - linkIf these are anything like Athlon 64s, they will be more balanced than Pentium M chips performance-wise in the big picture. This should give AMD an edge. Reply
alangeering - Thursday, March 10, 2005 - link#21, #24, #30, et al,
Thanks guys, I spotted the single channel mem contorller soon after I posted so realised that it had to be the 754 part. I just wondered whether AMD would go to another socket for these processors to stop their use in other desktop PCs. It seems from what I'm reading that it is just a S754 arrangement.
Oh well, this, I guess, means no dual core Turion? Or are AMD going to release a 754 dual core part? I thought dual core was going to be a S939 and newer thing.
So when we see dual core Pentium-M, will AMD be able to respond?
I do like the idea of 1Mb L2 cache, my S939 A64 3000+ is rather lacking in that area, but I think I will stick with S939 so I can upgrade in 2 years time (hoping for cheap dual core).
Thanks again,
Alan Reply
JarredWalton - Thursday, March 10, 2005 - link#11 - as #26 pointed out, nF4 is certainly capable of being put into a small space. The Shuttle XPC SN25P I just reviewed definitely has a smaller motherboard than uATX, an it could be made smaller yet if it were targeting a laptop configuration. Pictures are available in the article:
http://www.anandtech.com/systems/showdoc.aspx?i=23... Reply
bersl2 - Thursday, March 10, 2005 - link#28: The thing that gives the P-M such performance might be its low latency---at least on cache hits, that is.
I think it will perform more or less equally well, with somewhat worse battery life. Hopefully, though, this will be offset by a lower price, which AMD often brings. Reply
abakshi - Thursday, March 10, 2005 - linkWell this is probably perfect for AMD -- not many resources involved in developing it (just in adjusting A64 for a lower TDP and overall better mobile package), and a decent effect on the market.
Dothan is a nice chip - at 1.6 Ghz, it matches most P4's in the low 2 Ghz range (on the P4 533FSB). At 2.0, on the 400 FSB, it matches upper level P4's, is furthered by the 533 FSB, and OC'ed, in many cases, it can beat the top performers in the market (A64 4000+, P4 EE) in certain areas, all at a power/heat level far lower than that of the Oven (oops I mean Prescott), Northwood, or AMD64 lineup.
But P-M has some issues - floating point performance is weak, as is multitasking (which is not aided by the lack of HT). These two issues should be fixed by the dual-core setup. Now that will be very interesting...
So I think Turion will be somewhere in the middle -- won't match P-M's power or heat efficiency, or its top-end performance, but it'll be a solid stopgap measure in between. Athlon 64 isn't the best multitasking performer either, and that'll pass on to the Turion, but it's not bad, and if adopted may give P-M a run for its money.
Will I buy it, probably not :-) But it might be effective in the mid-range.
Until we see dual-core P-M's on the market, I'll enjoy my P4 3.0 / 533 Northwood on my laptop. 2 hour battery is not too bad, if I can do some serious stuff while it's lasts :-) Reply
ZobarStyl - Thursday, March 10, 2005 - linkWhile this isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread, I like the idea, since we will actually get performance and decent battery life. And for the guy who says that if Intel had just slapped a Centrino sticker on a P4, well, of course people would be mad, it would sear the flesh off your legs. AMD has a cooler, lower voltage part for desktop; it makes perfect sense to simply adapt it to mobile. Dothan is very nice but it has minor flaws; the A64 may just give Centrino as run for it's money. Reply
glennpratt - Thursday, March 10, 2005 - link#11 filterxg... Your wrong... Thier certainly seems to be no technical reason for not making miniITX NF4 motherboards.
http://sys.us.shuttle.com/ModelsP_5.aspx Reply
bwall04 - Thursday, March 10, 2005 - linkReply
kb3edk - Thursday, March 10, 2005 - link#8 (alangeering) -
As ozzimark mentions, this is going to be Socket 754. I think the chip has really good potential for SFF mATX systems as well as laptops. Reply
Houdani - Thursday, March 10, 2005 - linkSeems the MT models are only $5 more (in bulk) than the ML models. If you had the choice, would you really even consider the ML if the MT is readily available? Hopefully the mark-up on the MT's won't be astronomical.
19: I'm pretty sure I don't agree with your "bias" accusation. Turion is equivalent to the Pentium M 75x models, which is what is being compared here. Reply
AlexWade - Thursday, March 10, 2005 - linkI like my Centrino IBM laptop because I get 5 hours of battary life out of it. One time, I left it on all night with the Wi-Fi, bluetooth, and monitor turned off and still had a ton of battary life left. Although I will never buy Intel for the PC, it will take an impressive feat by AMD for me to switch over for the laptops.
All I care about in laptops is battary life. All I want to know is can Turion get longer battary than Centrino? Reply
coldpower27 - Thursday, March 10, 2005 - linkSome minor spelling mistakes.
"we compared it to the Socket-745 Athlon 64 2800+ (1.8GHz) - which is very similar to the Turion 64 ML-32 (1.8GHz/512KB)."
Obviously it's S754.
"note that Intel's Pentium M 755 has a 22W TDP"
21W TDP for the Pentium M Dothan with 400FSB. Reply
ozzimark - Thursday, March 10, 2005 - link#19- it doesn't need chipsets from amd..
the nf4, nf3 and via chipsets will all work with this chip. the current 754 mobo's should also work with just a mere bios update to recognize the cpu. Reply
Questar - Thursday, March 10, 2005 - linkNice biased reporting there Anand.
Did you forget about the ultra low voltage Pentium M that's only 5.5 watts? How about we compare this thing to Intels ultra portable offering?
No chipsets from AMD either...No one stop shopping for OEMs. Do you have any idea how important this is?
coldpower27 - Thursday, March 10, 2005 - linkThat's the thing the 115W parts are based on the highest desktop parts available. A low voltage P4 Prescott wouln't be in that range as they would run with lower voltage.
A reasonable estimate would be 50-70 range for the low voltage P4 Prescott. Although with clock frequencies only in the 2.8GHZ - 3.2GHZ range. Though since 60W is still quite hefty power consumption Intel decided they needed another processor altogether and hence the Pentium M.
No doubt though 25W is great, AMD's K8 arhictecture offers flexibility, which is crucial for a company like AMD which can't afford multiple lines. Reply
raskren - Thursday, March 10, 2005 - linkThe problem is AMD is marketing this like it is an entirely new technology which is not true. It is misleading. Which is why I think if things were reveresed this article would have about 20+ pages of negative commentary.
Intel's Pentium M is an extension of the P3 architecture. It is NOT binned P3 chips. Dothan is NOT a Pentium III anymore. It is a Pentium M.
Intel has used desktop Pentium 3 and 4 chips in notebooks, as you all know. The difference here is that they don't try and conceal the fact they're desktop CPUs - they're the Pentium 4 Mobile. Big difference from Centrino. Reply
bob661 - Thursday, March 10, 2005 - linkMost people here like the Centrino platform, including me, so AMD will have its work cut out for them. Reply
blackbrrd - Thursday, March 10, 2005 - link#12 If Intel had taken a binned, low-voltage [115W] P4 and slapped a Centrino sticker on it, everyone here would be bashing to no end.
No wonder, it would still heat up your laptop like hell.
Amd is taking a 35W Amd64, binning it at selling it like a "centrino".
What is the problem?
It is not as if the Dothan is anything but a P3 on speed, same as the A64 is a K7 on speed... (P3 and K7 is the same generation cpu).
Having the memorycontroller on the cpu must be more power (double meaning) efficient than having it on the northbridge and the chipset must be easier to make.... sooo... what is wrong with amd beeing able to use their desktop cpus as laptop cpus?
Nobody ever complained when intel did that with the P3 series... The P4 series on the other hand (prescot) is so hot it is idiotic to use it in laptops...
I am not saying Turion is the holy grail of laptops. I want to see performance/heat/battery time tests before I give it my "Approved" stamp. Reply
brownba - Thursday, March 10, 2005 - link#12 spoke well.
unless there's something we're not being told... this is very uneventful and very uninformational Reply
Montrey - Thursday, March 10, 2005 - link#8, I was wondering the same thing. I love the mobile 2600+ in my desktop, would be interested in seeing how high you can overvolt/overclock one of these. Anyone know what voltage they're running at to put out 35 watts at 2ghz? Reply
raskren - Thursday, March 10, 2005 - linkWow. If Intel had taken a binned, low-voltage P4 and slapped a Centrino sticker on it, everyone here would be bashing to no end. Guess what, AMD just did it.
Doubtful that these will outperform the latest Pentium M chips if they truly are lower speed, lower voltage K8 chips. Reply
filterxg - Thursday, March 10, 2005 - link#8 I don't think you'll ever see a miniITX NF4 board. NF4 (I think) can't go any smaller than full ATX, certainly can't go smaller than microATX. If you want miniITX for an AMD platform, VIA is really the only hope. Reply
xsilver - Thursday, March 10, 2005 - linkwill there actually be MA - MZ type processors? bundled with the 4 different initial clock speeds?..... wow -- talk about a huge number of products! how will pricing work?
and there will be an obvious shortage of the lowest power spec and cheapest versions....
if its desktop socket compatible, should be a nice sucessor to the mobile xp cpus... Reply
nserra - Thursday, March 10, 2005 - linkI hope that these Turion based platforms will succeed. WHY?
Centrino is excellent! But its monopolist, you can only get the complete centrino package from ONE manufacture, so they all have the same specs, price, performance, features... which is bad, i think.
I hope that they (amd and the others) will do fine, no doubt that the K8 is a superb design, it fills all needs in all markets, and very well. Reply
alangeering - Thursday, March 10, 2005 - linkSorry, may have missed it in the article, what socket will thie chip use? Will it be compatible with any desktop sockets (754/939/etc.)?
If it were then we could see it heading for a fast introduction to the HTPC market.
I'm still waiting for a nice s939 NF4 miniITX design to come along.
For now the best power/performance miniITX MBord is based on the Pentuim M. Reply
bersl2 - Thursday, March 10, 2005 - linkWhile I don't see it ever happening, #6, that would be awesome. As is, it's frickin' impossible to fix laptops. They make it so damn hard to disassemble. Also, I would hope that they wouldn't do stupid things with the design, such as putting a right-angled plug in the back, so that when you actually put the thing in your lap, it puts stress on the component that interfaces the plug and the motherboard, making the thing eventually come loose. Thanks, Compaq!
And while I'm complaining: could laptop makers *please* start using Intel's ASL compiler for their ACPI DSDT tables? Microsoft's is nowhere near as strict and allows bugs through. OK thanks! Reply
DigitalDivine - Thursday, March 10, 2005 - linkAs long as these babies have a decent videocard bundled... i will get them.
nothing below a 9600 mobility.
god... i want an open standard for laptops so i can build my own. Reply
Ardan - Thursday, March 10, 2005 - linkI like AMD's track record, and the low heat that my 90nm overclocked Athlon 64 produces. I think this is going to be just what the doctor ordered as well and I can't wait to see a full review of it. Not benchmarks-wise, but the package as a whole. I sure liked Centrino notebooks, but I think I might prefer these because of the flexibility actually. Reply
joeld - Thursday, March 10, 2005 - linkwaiting for the arima W622 w/ x700 to roll out... Reply
ariafrost - Thursday, March 10, 2005 - linkMmm... 25W TDP... NICE. :) Reply
phaxmohdem - Thursday, March 10, 2005 - linkNot much to say really, sounds pretty much like a normal mobile A64 laptop witha new sticker. I'll wait and see what the numbers say when these babies actually roll off the assembly lines. Til then, my Athlon XP2400+ notebook will do me just fine. Reply
LeadFrog - Thursday, March 10, 2005 - linkAwesome. AMD needs to compete better in the mobile market and this is just what AMD needs! Reply


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About 300 of the signs were handed out at First Baptist Church of Bartow following a Fourth of July sermon. But three months later, City of Bartow Code Enforcement says the temporary signs have worn out their welcome.
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Would like to see one of your spagetti forms. sound real interesting. do you have any pictures? Ain't clay fun Kabe
sure, here is one that i have attached. infact i would really appreciate if you could give me your feedback.
Thank you for sharing. Sorry I took so long to thank you. Been real busy. I agree with the other posts. Your work is beautiful, like nature, a fungas or a coral from the sea. must take a lot of time to construct a piece. I don't do a lot of coil work so I can't be much help. sometime I will take a piece that I have been working on and when I am done I will put it in a plastic bag and let it set a day or so , so all the clay can equalize in moisture content. Then I'll take it out of the bag for a few hours and then seal it back up and then do it again the next day. I repeat this process until it is dry I think this helps it to shrink evenly and thinner pieces don't crack and separate from the thicker pieces. Also when you are working on a piece that takes more time, the early parts of it are getting dryer than the part you are working on. I do not know if that would apply to what you are doing or not. Just a thought. ain't clay fun Kabe
your work is beautiful Kabe! Your experience has really paid off!
Do you sell in Saint Joe?