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AMD's Radeon HD 5870 Eyefinity 6 Edition Reviewedby Anand Lal Shimpi on 3/31/2010 12:01 AM EST
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BoFox - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - linkIf I wanted huge screen real estate, I'd definitely go for a 1080p projector that can do anywhere from 100" to 20'. Of course, a top-of-the-line one would cost upwards of $10000, but a really nice one would only be a bit over $1000. Give me this over "jail" bars of bezels anytime!
I'm a bit puzzled at why ATI is doing a 2GB version to counter the GTX 480, and not a slightly faster version. Right now is AMD/ATI's real chance to seize the bull's horns with a death grip. By all means they should release a 950-1000MHz version of 5870, named 5890! Even if the power consumption is 25-50W more, it would still be considerably lower than the GTX 480, and actually pwning it in nearly all of game benchmarks. Even better would be to release a 512-bit version just like they did 4 generations ago with HD2900XT. With up to 100% greater memory bandwidth, there would be roughly 20% more performance at 1000MHz core clock across all benchmarks, if not more.
I say this with mercy.. if AMD does not truly seize the moment with a death grip by the horns, AMD will regret it for a long time, if not forever.
bunnyfubbles - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - linkWhy not go with 3 cheaper projectors and use them with eyefinity? One of the oft neglected advantages to Eyefinity is a properly supported game can actually provide a player with a FOV advantage - they can actually see more of the game world than other players without distorting the image.
This was never a counter to the GTX480, the E6 edition card had been planned long before we knew anything concrete about Fermi. And considering the benches, its quite obvious that 2GB is not needed for today's games. If ATI was going to introduce a counter to Fermi it would simply be a higher clocked 5870, but even that's not necessary save for bragging rights.
And a 512bit memory interface is the last thing I'd expect. It's actually bizarre you bring up the HD 2900XT as if it was something ATI should look back on for inspiration. If anything the HD 2900XT was ATI's own GTX480 debacle. Reply
1reader - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - linkI've hadn't thought about it that way, but the 2900XT situation was very similar to nVidia's 480GTX situation now. Like you said, definitely something ATI doesn't need to look back on for inspiration. That's why (I believe) ATI switched to GDDR5 as quickly as possible, to get as much throughput through that 256 bit memory interface.
On the other hand though, I have a 2600XT with GDDR3 that makes a perfectly satisfying backup card. It definitely wouldn't have enough power to drive 6 displays though.
Also, what's up with AnandTech? I don't check back for two days, and the site disappears, only to be replaced by this sexy tech website. ;) Reply
brysoncg - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - linkHere's a thought: get a theater room with 6 hi-def projectors, and set them up in the eyefinity 6 setup. if you spent a little bit of time with it, you would be able to perfectly line up the edges of the projections from each projector, and you then have the eyefinity 6 setup, without the need for bezel correction (no bezel!), and therefore no crosshair problem. The only problem would be the cost.... Reply
erple2 - Friday, April 02, 2010 - linkI think that the other problem would be the space. If a 1080p can comfortably drive a 100" screen, having a large enough wall to put 3x2 surfaces on it would become problematic, I'd think. I don't know too many people that have a 21' wide by 8' tall room where they could reasonably project onto...
Plus the screen for that would be ... pricey.
However, some cheaper 720p projectors would be an interesting proposition, particularly projecting on a smaller wall - maybe 1/2 the size? so about 11' wide by 4' tall? Reply
Xpl1c1t - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - linkthe ring bus is definitely worth looking back upon Reply
Calin - Thursday, April 01, 2010 - linkAlso, unlike the computing units (which you can mostly disable at will in a finished product), any bad transistor in that ring bus would brick the entire chip Reply
BoFox - Thursday, April 01, 2010 - linkTrue.. 3 cheaper projectors with eyefinity would be an ideal solution.. and the screen could be a bit curved like at many cinema movie theaters today!
On the same day Nvidia released GTX 480, AMD released this 2GB version to counter Nvidia's offering. Of course, AMD promised this 2GB version a long while ago, so it's about time. Perhaps it won't be long before AMD releases the faster 5890.
About the 512-bit bus: It is certainly do-able on a 40nm process, compared to when it was done on 80nm process with a 1024-bit ringbus a while ago on that HD2900XT (I will agree with you here in that it was redundant for the 2900XT)..
""Does a 512-bit bus require a die size that's going to be in the neighbourhood (or bigger) of R600 going forward?"
No, through multiple layers of pads, or through distributed pads or even through stacked dies, large memory bit widths are certainly possible. Certainly a certain size and a minimum number of consumers is required to enable this technology, but it's not required to have a large die."
-(Sir Eric Demers, architecture lead on R600 which is the still the basis of 5870's today)
If a 4890 simply performs around 19% better overall than a 5770 in all games except when using DX11, what shall we point at as the cause of the difference? The GPU cores are nearly identical in terms of clock speed, shaders, ROP's, etc.. with perhaps a slightly better optimization in the R800 architecture and better drivers. The main "obvious" difference is a 62.5% increase in memory bandwidth over the 5770. A 5870 is basically 2x 5770's in one GPU with everything doubled. It has been shown that a 5870 certainly does benefit from greater memory bandwidth.. let's say about 0.2% increase in performance per 1% increase in bandwidth.
By the way, Nvidia made quite an interesting statement on the memory bus a short while ago:
"With 3-D interconnects, it can vertically connect two much smaller die. Graphics performance depends in part on the bandwidth for uploading from a buffer to a DRAM. "If we could put the DRAM on top of the GPU, that would be wonderful," Chen said. "Instead of by-32 or by-64 bandwidth, we could increase the bandwidth to more than a thousand and load the buffer in one shot."
Based on any defect density model, yield is a strong function of die size for a complicated manufacturing process, Chen said. A larger die normally yields much worse than the combined yield of two die with each at one-half of the large die size. "Assuming a 3-D die stacking process can yield reasonably well, the net yield and the associated cost can be a significant advantage," he said. "This is particularly true in the case of hybrid integration of different chips such as DRAM and logic, which are manufactured by very different processes.""
Nvidia's own John Chen mentioned increasing the bandwidth from "by-32 or by-64" per chip to "more than a thousand". This translates to 8x1024, which is an 8192-bit bus. Hopefully vertically stacked dies are the future. It would effectively reduce the need for increasingly larger buffer size, and act just like embedded RAM that can instantly load the buffer in one shot. ..a bit like SSD's today (small, but "instant"), and thought to be a pipe-dream a few years ago. Reply
Ramon Zarat - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - linkThe 2900XT used a dual 512bit ring bus topology. The fact ATI or Nvidia don't use this technology today is a hint that it was not efficient enough or too complex to be commercially viable. In that sense, it was not a classic 512bit wide bus, as used by Nvidia previous generation or the 256/384/448bit bus in use today.
A 512bit bus would be impossible to implement on the 5000 series simply because the memory controller is physically limited in hardware to "talk" to a 256bit bus. You need twice the traces on the PCB to go from 256 to 512bit and those traces must be, oner way or the other, physically linked to the GPU. The only way to speed up the memory access on the 5000 series would be to use faster DDR5 chip. Reply
SoCalBoomer - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - linkUnfortunately, a 1080p projector just won't get you the pixels that this thing will.
I use a 2x2 setup on my desk at work and it has far more pixels (at far FAR less price) than a 1080p projector has (which is what? 1920x1080? something like that? - I'm working on 2560x2048)
My question would be if you can set these up as individual monitors just extending the desktop of if you HAVE to use eyefinity? I'd love to be able to do this instead of running dual cards, with the limitations on the motherboard that brings. . . Reply
Paulman - Thursday, April 01, 2010 - linkI agree that they should release a higher clocked (binned) version of the HD 5870, if only to steal NVIDIA's thunder. They wouldn't need mass availability. Even just a few hundred, or ideally 10,000+ units would be enough to dethrone NVIDIA from being able to claim "the fastest single-GPU card". And I think such claims form the bulk of what NVIDIA has to work with right now.
A 512-bit version would require a redesign of the chip, though, which would require a lot of manpower including design verification, etc. I don't think it would be worth it for ATI/AMD. Again, releasing a higher-clocked part - now that would be super easy and super effective. Reply
Calin - Thursday, April 01, 2010 - linkA redesigned 512-bit memory interface card wouldn't come much earlier (if at all) than the next generation. Also, it would use a lot of design/test/silicon resources and time (financially, manpower, ...) for what would be some couple thousands cards sold (when AMD can not produce enough graphic chips as it is).
Keep up availability and low price instead of the absolute top. NVidia will be in the "enviable" position of having the top performance card which nobody can find, and nothing else in performance and mainstream segments. Reply
Hargak - Monday, April 05, 2010 - linkI would think they already have a working dual gpu that will beat it, yet stay close to the single cards output. Reply
Griswold - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - linkI think 3 displays or better yet, 5 displays with the middle one in pivot mode, to counter any crosshair issues, is they route go. Should be possible, no? Reply
bigboxes - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - linkNo one says you have to add monitors in pairs. This card just has the connection for UP TO 6 monitors. So hook up five and then configure eyeinfinity. Reply
Anand Lal Shimpi - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - link3 is currently possible, however 5 isn't supported by the drivers yet. AMD is apparently working on it though.
Take care,
Anand Reply
Quidam67 - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - linkDevils advocate, but it seems to me that you actually need 9 displays to deal with the crosshair issue.
And wouldn't that also allow you to maintain aspect ratio?
Imagine the fun Anand could have putting 9 monitors together :O)
Granseth - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - linkwhy not buy 3 cheap projectors and set them up with eyefinity.
No Bezels, high resolution and a large screen.
I would very much like to see somebody doing this and giving feedback about how this solution would work. Although the problem would probably be to find a cheap projector with display port. Reply
AmbroseAthan - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - linkThough not eyefinity, this could give you an idea of what it is like:
http://nthusim.com/setup/bhawthorne-triple-circula... Reply
Makaveli - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - linkFrom this review it looks like the 2GB's are needed for a 6 screensetup.... I don't see how that is suppose to be a counter to the GTX 480.
Graphic card prices aren't going down as quickly as people would have liked based on its review, just wait for the refresh card its coming. Reply
cactusdog - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - linkOk it might not be ideal for gaming right now but i could see ATI selling heaps of these cards for commercial purposes. Should be good for security people , finance sector, research and education, advertising dispalys etc the list goes on.
OMG i just had a thought of connecting 6 HD TV's, you could make your own billboard lol.
eduardoandradeiturribarria - Monday, May 03, 2010 - linkI have 4 hdtv's to watch football games. Of course Monday nights or the Super Bowl would be may main objective. Do you think it can be done through eyefinity? Reply
nuudles - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - linkHi Anand,
I suppose it is not possible, but would it be possible to crossfire a normal 5870 and a 5870 E6?
If AMD can enable that then I think they will sell quite a lot more: people who bought a single 5870 + use eyefinity might want an even more immersive experience, and if they could add a 5870 E6 + x-fire it with their normal 5870 they might be a lot more tempted to buy one, even if they lose 1 or 2 frames (due to 1GB+2GB vs 2x2GB, the driver would probably need to treat both cards as 1GB models) in comparison with 2 5870 E6's x-fired (still a lot more performance than a single 5870 E6)?
Kind regards,
Morne Reply
GiantPandaMan - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - linkJust wondering if you guys have tried putting 3 projectors in portrait mode and seeing how that worked. Figured 3 1280x720 projectors would make a pretty sweet wall of gaming...then use the other 3 display ports for your actual desktop monitors. Anything in the works for that? Would be a fun little project to put in Anand's theater room. :) Reply
Anand Lal Shimpi - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - linkThis is unbelievably tempting however I foresee two hurdles:
1) Wall space. My theater has a 2.35:1 screen, I'd need something much wider (or end up with a really skinny display) for a 3x1 projector setup. I don't think I even have a room that has enough uninterrupted wall space for this to work well at a good size. Perhaps I'm thinking too big though. I could just stitch together three 80" screens or something like that.
2) Inputs. Most 16x9 projectors don't use DisplayPort, although a quick Google search reveals a few options.
I'll give it some more thought :)
Take care,
Anand Reply
GiantPandaMan - Monday, April 05, 2010 - linkHow about 3 projectors, 3 screens stitched together, and just hang them from the ceiling so you can create a curved screen? That's the beauty of using 3 projectors anyway. Figure a 5970 could drive a 2160x1280 curved screen perfectly. Reply
Patrick Wolf - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - linkThis is just craziness. Dunno how someone couldn't just be happy with a single big 1080p TV. Ok, you can see the pixels, so what?; You can also the entire image. I'd like to see a video showing a nice (60"?) set up right next to this E6 display showing the same game or video and do a poll: "Which would you choose?" Reply
DanNeely - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - linkTo show the difference between 1080p and 5760x2160 in a video you'd need a greater than 1080p video and display to keep it from just being down sampled away. Reply
Calin - Thursday, April 01, 2010 - linkThis isn't for video - it's for things like - let's say - playing a war plane simulator and seeing actual planes in the distance, not a black dot, or for seeing at decent quality text from several large sources (like seeing several of the very large Excel spreadsheets some of the financial people use). FPS gaming still has issues, I'd say using 3 old, 1600x1200 displays in portrait mode would be best for FPS (a 2.25 aspect ratio). Even with 5 very wide monitors in portrait, you'd end up with almost 3:1 view ratio (which might be good or bad) Reply
Roland00 - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - linkDoes the extra memory make a difference in crossfire benches? I am curious for each frame buffer has to keep track of what the other frame buffer is doing, thus having a larger frame buffer would make sense. Is there any chance we can see these results? Reply
cfaalm - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - linkWhy don't AMD go talk to display manufactureres to thin out or even totally forego any bezels on Eyefinity compatible displays? In other dual/multiple screen situations than Eyefinity it can still be desirable to have real thin or no bezels, so it won't be that far out. Reply
Aclough - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - linkThey're working on them now, but they aren't out yet. Be warned that they'll probably cost more than normal monitors though. Reply
cfaalm - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - linkI expected they would cost a bit more. Though I don't have any figures on the premium I guess it would be worth it compared to what gains can be had it these special situations where you'd be spending a small fortune anyway. Reply
mjrpes3 - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - linkIt's greatly in their interest to develop this technology: lowering the barrier and increasing the incentive to buy 3x or 6x quantity of a product. Reply
Calin - Thursday, April 01, 2010 - linkSell more cheap monitors instead of fewer expensive monitors? I don't think so. Reply
Calin - Thursday, April 01, 2010 - linkThe bezels are there with a purpose (strength, if nothing else).
There are monitors with thin bezels - what we might need now could be pre-built monitors in 6x configuration, reducing as much as possible the bezel size (they could do it better in the factory). Maybe some boutique industry could spring from this? Something like the tuning shops in the auto industry Reply
behrouz - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - linkHi Anand.
this is very beautiful and the logo at top of page is better than previous logo.
good luck. Reply
Manuel1975 - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - linkDoes anybody know if there will be any mac drivers? This would be a formidable beast in combination with MacPro and Mediaserver Software... Reply
erple2 - Friday, April 02, 2010 - linkI think that this tech would be wasted on a Media Server implementation. Unless you're talking about something different than what I'm thinking of. Streaming media to these devices would be essentially pointless, as few, if any, media is available at any resolution beyond 1080p.
Putting it on a Mac makes even less sense, given that what makes this unique is the ability to run solid 3D games titles. And last I checked, there were few, if any, 3D games available on the Mac Platform.
While Apple does offer multiple graphics cards in their MacPro systems, they're generally very low-end graphics products (currently NVidia GeForce GT 120 based), meant to drive CAD or other non-3D gaming applications. Those can easily handle any Media server load you could throw at it. I suppose you could make the argument that it could upscale the video to 2160p (doubling 1080p), but that seems to be pointless to me - just run a larger 1080p projector. Reply
Manuel1975 - Tuesday, August 03, 2010 - linkHi Erple,
The media I use to drive multiple dipslays normaly reqiure something along the range of 640x480 to a 4k type of resolution. Although these high resolutions are not mainstream, Youtube for instance does alow you to upload videos in 4k resolution. The future of HD+ video is very very near.
And nowadays OSX ships with something called quartz composer. This something you can compare with prosessing. Its OpenGL bases image synthesis. Truely amazing stuf: 4k+ resolutions rendered at 60hz. Eazely.
Tip for your next post: try to think outside your box before posting. Reply
firstname.lastname@example.com - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - linkHi, Anand.
Did you have a chance to try (or ask the AMD guys) about 12 screens? Crossfiring 2 E6 cards makes you wonder about that chance.
I once had a chance to put up a 4x3 screen, 2 years ago, with absolutely no bezel whatsoever, but that set up cost my company an insane amount of money. Each screen cost 7.000$, for starters.
I see this E6 as an alternative to keep an eye on. I couldn't care less about the bezel problems, as my company usually sets up multiscreen displays either with projectors or with bezelless LCD's, but 6 displays might not be enough for our line of work.
So, can it be crossfired to a 12 screen 3D accelerated output ? (I'm not concerned about performance, as our apps usually don't stress GPU's much) Reply
firstname.lastname@example.com - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - link
When I wrote "a 4x3 screen", I meant "a 4x3 multi-screen display, as per 12 x 720p displays arranged in a 4x3 grid"
PS: damn, we should be able to edit our own posts! Reply
Ryan Smith - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - linkIt can be done. They had it working under Linux using X-Plane back at their September launch. However it's not even close to being in a shipping state, and I don't have the foggiest idea when it would be. Reply
email@example.com - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - linkThanks for the quick reply, Ryan.
Can you tell me how that works, in practice. Now that Windows 7 (and Vista) ditched horizontal spanning, I can't just set my company's apps to 3072x768 (3 screens), because that resolution is not even made available by the driver anymore.
From my previous experiente, I can say that as long I have the taskbar spanned through 3 screens, it is safe to assume that I will be able to accelerate 3D apps at the same resolution as the desktop, at least.
Eyefinity must be somewhat different. If the Catalyst 10.3 is still compliant with WDDM 1.1, then I'm guessing our 3D engine must be 'approved' or at least able to aknowledge the availability of Eyefinity.
Back in the XP days, spanning throug 2 screens was transparent - the 3D app didn't even know it was outputting to 2 or more screens, but with eyefinity, compatibility must be achieved at a much lower level. Is that right?
I'm sorry to bother you, but I don't have access to a hands-on approach.
Fernando Reply
firstname.lastname@example.com - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - linkI'm sorry for the long post, guys.
Shorter version:
- Does the desktop look like XP in Span mode ?(I think I see a taskbar streched along 3 screens, in Anand's video)
- when you run a 3D app (one that is NOT oficially compatible), will 'awkward' resolution (say 5760x2160) be availabe as a choice?
If you answer YES to these 2, then I'm saved, and I'm in trouble aswell, as my company only supports Nvidia (and changing this standard will cost a lot, testing in Quality Assurance will be havoc. Time for a change, I guess. :)
Ryan Smith - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - linkBackground info: Eyefinity is the trade name for what AMD calls Single Large Surface technology. SLS operates pretty much as how the name implies: the drivers provide a very large resolution option for applications to work with, and then AMD's hardware takes care of chopping up the image for multiple monitors. Providing the OS/software with a very large resolution is the fundamental aspect behind Eyefinity.
So to answer your questions, yes, 3D games see the large resolution. As for the desktop I've never tried it (and Anand currently has all of our Eyefinity gear). To applications/games at least, this is completely transparent. Eyefinity support basically amounts to being able to handle the oddball aspect ratios and the higher resolutions.in the case where resolutions are hard-coded in. Reply
vgdarkstar - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - linkI would like to point out to all the naysayers of multimon, you stop seeing the bezels after using it for a bit. Do you notice your nose? it's the same effect. Reply
Anand Lal Shimpi - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - linkI agree with that completely which is why I said it wasn't an issue in a 3x1 setup. However in the case of a 3x2 configuration you always notice the bezels in the center of your screen because they often occlude important information (e.g. dialog boxes, crosshairs, etc...).
Take care,
Anand Reply
Zstream - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - linkWhy is it that people believe this setup is meant just for gaming? What about people who can have six LCD screens monitoring all sort of devices in a corporate world? What about those who use photoshop and can use other multi-monitor software?
Just a thought, not all geeks are gamers you know ;) Reply
Anand Lal Shimpi - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - linkOh I agree, and that's why I mentioned dialog boxes as being a problem. Honestly I think the biggest application for a 6-display setup right now is for more than just gaming. It's just a shame that you have to buy a $479 gaming card to enable it :)
Take care,
Anand Reply
Zstream - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - linkHmm, wonder if they have a snap to grid function in Windows 7 for each LCD. That would be nice... Reply
Taft12 - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - linkThose of us with 6 or more screens have been using multiple low-end video cards (including PCI where necessary) for many years now. It's still much cheaper than this. Reply
Guspaz - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - linkPerhaps because such solutions have been available for non-gaming uses for VERY many years. You could grab Matrox graphics cards (still hanging around in the business world), or use two GXM products to get six displays on a standard ATI/nVidia graphics card.
There are also other solutions from other companies, or just the possibility of sticking three dual-head graphics cards in a system, which can be pretty cheap if you don't need powerful 3D performance.
In short, for productivity, this is old news; Eyefinity is really only of note for gaming, and it doesn't look very useful or practical for that either. Triple-head gaming has merit since it avoids many of the problems, and that can be done fairly easily (some graphics cards support three outputs, or you can use a GXM product). Reply
lwatcdr - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - linkI could see this being used for Simulators and military systems as well.
Maroon - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - linkI hope AMD didn't spend a lot of time on this because this is an unbelievably niche market they are after with this card.
What needs to be done (if possible) is take the monitors apart and just piece together the screens and somehow relocate the hardware all behind everything.
sparkuss - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - linkAnand wrote:
The larger frame buffer did help raise minimum frame rates, but not enough to positively impact the average frame rates in our tests.
I thought there had been review comments before about the 5870 being memory limited in some tests. Does this mean that the added 1GB doesn't solve any of that without further hardware/software changes from ATI?
The 2GB cards, standard not eyefinity, are starting to list at manufactures sites. I was going to wait for them but maybe not worth it after all? I'm not interested in eyefinity, just CF for 1920 +above gaming.
Do you have any of the base 2GB cards planned for review shortly?
And P.S. the new comments system lose all adv editing? Reply
poohbear - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - link6 monitor support is good and all, but seriously how much demand is there for a card that can support 6 monitors? its a niche product, not sure what all the hoopla is about.:p Reply
notty22 - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - linkFrom Review "It's worth mentioning that these power numbers were obtained in a benchmark that showed no real advantage to the extra 1GB of frame buffer. It is possible that under a more memory intensive workload (say for example, driving 6 displays) the 5870 E6 would draw much more power than a hypothetical 6-display 1GB 5870."
I think a tester should run Furmark when in 3 way or 6 way eyefinity. I have a sinking feeling, this would break the card. The tests prove out that you need crossfire grunt of two 5870's to do any gaming. So the extra cost of this card , trying to do it all in one is a failure. Reply
catalysts17TX - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - linki have a 4870, great card but runs hot and sucks up a lot of wattage at idle power both the 5850 and 5870 due much better in heat and wattage, but at load the 5870 uses more wattage than my 4870 does. the 5870 card is NICE with the eyefinity 6 edition. MY question is will there be a 5850 Eyefinity 6 Edition? dont care about price just performance and wattage
Taft12 - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - linkWill Displayport ever start catching on as a monitor connector? The majority of displays still don't include a DP input and if it hasn't started by now, I wonder if it ever will... Reply
frenchfrog - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - linkIt would be so nice:
-3 monitors for left-center-rigth views
-1 monitor for rear view
-2 monitors for guages/GPS/map/flight controls Reply
vol7ron - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - linkI'm not sure why a "wall" was created. Your problem with FOV is the fact that you have too much of a 2D setup, rather than an easier-to-view 3D.
Suggestion: 3 stands.
Center the middle pair to your seat.
Adjust the right and left pair so they're at a 15-25 degree slant, as if you were forming a hexadecagon (16 sided polygon @ 22.5 degrees)
vol7ron Reply
cubeli - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - linkI cannot print your reviews anymore.. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Reply
WarlordSmoke - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - linkI still don't understand the point of this card by itself, as a single card(no CF).
It's too expensive and too gaming oriented to be used in the workplace where, as someone else already mentioned, there have been cheaper and more effective solutions for multi-display setups for years.
It's too weak to drive the 6 displays it's designed to for gaming. Crysis(I know it's not a great example of an optimized engine but give me a break here) which is a 3 year old game isn't playable at < 25fps and I can't imagine the next generation of games which are around the corner to be more forgiving.
My point is, why build a card to drive 6 displays when you could have 2 cards that can drive 3 displays each and be more effective for gaming. I know this isn't currently possible, but that's my point, it should be, it's the next logical step.
Instead of having 2 cards in crossfire, where only one card has display output and the other just tags along as extra horsepower, why not use the cards in parallel, split the scene in two and use two framebuffers(one card with upper 3 screens and the other card with the lower 3 screens) and practically make crossfire redundant(or just use it for synchronizing the rendering).
This should be more efficient on so many levels. First, the obvious, half the screens => half the area to render => better performance. Second, if the scene is split in two each card could load different textures so less memory should be wasted than in crossfire mode where all cards need to load the same textures.
I'm probably not taking too seriously the synchronization issues that could appear between them, but they should be less obvious when they are between distinct rows of displays, especially if they have bezels.
Anyway this idea with 2 cards with 3 screens each would have been beneficial to both ATI(sales of more cards) and to the gamers: Buy a card and three screens now, and maybe later if you can afford it buy another card and another three screens. Not to mention the fact that ATI has several distinct models of cards that support 3 displays. So they could have made possible 6 display setups even for lower budgets.
To keep a long story short(er), I believe ATI should have worked to make this possible in their driver and just scrap this niche 6 display card idea from the start. Reply
Bigginz - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - linkI have an idea for the monitor manufacturers (Samsung). Just bolt a magnifying glass to the front of the monitor that is the same width and height (bezel included). I vaguely remember some products similar to this for the Nintendo Gameboy & DS.
Dell came out with their Crystal LCD monitor at CES 2008. Just replace the tempered glass with a magnifying glass and your bezel problem is fixed.
http://hothardware.com/News/Dell_Crystal_LCD_Monit... Reply
Calin - Thursday, April 01, 2010 - linkMagnifying glass for such a large surface would be thick and heavy (and probably prone to cracking), and "thin" variations have image artefacts (I've seen a magnifying "glass" usable as a bookmark, and the image was good, but it definitely had issues Reply
imaheadcase - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - linkAs much R&D the invested in this, It seems better to use it towards making own monitors that don't have bezels. The extra black link is a major downside to this card.
ATI monitors + video setup would be ideal. After all, when you are going to drop $1500 + video card setup, what is a little more in price for a streamlined monitors. Reply
yacoub - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - link"the combined thickness of two bezels was annoying when actually using the system"
Absolutely! Reply
CarrellK - Thursday, April 01, 2010 - linkThere are a fair number of comments to the effect of "Why did ATI/AMD build the Six? They could have spent their money better elsewhere..." To those who made those posts, I respectfully suggest that your thoughts are too near-term, that you look a bit further into the future.
The answers are:
(1) To showcase the technology. We wanted to make the point that the world is changing. Three displays wasn't enough to make that point, four was obvious but still not enough. Six was non-obvious and definitely made the point that the world is changing.
(2) To stimulate thinking about the future of gaming, all applications, how interfaces *will* change, how operating systems *will* change, and how computing itself is about to change and change dramatically. Think Holodeck folks. Seriously.
(3) We wanted a learning vehicle for ourselves as well as everyone else.
(4) And probably the biggest reason of all: BECAUSE WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE FUN. Not just for ourselves, but for those souls who want to play around and experiment at the edges of the possible. You never know what you don't know, and finding that out is a lot of fun.
Almost every day I tell myself and anyone who'll listen: If you didn't have fun at work today, maybe it is time to do something else. Go have some fun folks. Reply
Anand Lal Shimpi - Thursday, April 01, 2010 - linkThanks for posting Carrell :) I agree with the having fun part, if that's a motivation then by all means go for it!
Take care,
Anand Reply
XiZeL - Thursday, April 01, 2010 - linknice review, the real shame is the bezel, hope display vendors will start making some extremely thin bezel models for this kind of use.
as for battlefield is saw you use a chase bench and waterfall bench... are these sequences done buy you or in game benchmarks you just have to run?
thanks for the answer. Reply
GullLars - Thursday, April 01, 2010 - linkOne thing i've been thinking about since the bezel problem, why don't anyone make a setup of 3x2 22" monitors in a single frame? I've seen DIY people take the frame off monitors for embedding them in walls, custom frames, or computer chassies. It should be doable to take out the panels, and mount them in a new frame with tape or glue or something on the backside. I would easily consider buying such a setup. You would end up with a monitor rougly around 50" (maybe 55"?) with 5040x2100 or 5760x2160.
For a 3-panel setup, 3 22" screens in portrait mode in a single frame would also be nice. 3150x1680 or 3240x1920. Reply
Zorro3740 - Thursday, April 01, 2010 - linkHow can anybody who is serious about image quality fall for this obvious sham. How can the black bars that separate the monitors be anything less than unacceptable? You have to be crazy to waste your money on this tech. 3D is way more appealing than this pseudo high res garbage. If you want real high resolution you simply get a quad XGA monitor like the HP LP3065 I'm using right now and call it a day. If you want something actually interesting then you get anything that might be 3D capable. It seems to be the next cool gadget feature in video.
The cost of projectors and a screen and the features necessary like lens shift would be so damn expensive and not to mention the heat generated by 3 or 6 LCD projectors would be so ridiculous to not have the "black bar" effect. I really don't understand where AMD/ATI is going with this tech.
Hell, I can't even get multiple displays to work properly with some of my 4850 crossfire setups and they come up with the idea to make a video card capable of up to six displays. How about fixing the Gray Screen of Death with multiple displays on the 4800 series? Eyefinity, yeah whatever.........
Ludicrous Speed!!!! Go!!!!!! Reply
phantazy - Sunday, April 04, 2010 - linkI have a 4850x2 driving 4 22" screens in a 4200x1680 config (all 4 in portrait mode). Running my 4 (or even getting another 2 screens) from 1 gpu is much more interesting now... Have you tried running the new card in Crossfire just to see what the AA performance in games is?? And I mean Crossfire with 58xx cards and the Crossfire with 48xx cards just to see the support/scalability and so on?? If you're showing the performance of the new 480 in SLi, why not show the 5870 w/ 6 outputs in Crossfire with 1 5970 or even 2 5970... some people actually have the money and interest for this... not to mention you can buy the cards in 6-9 months and get them at half the price compared to today.. And btw, regarding the monitor stands, AMD looks to be choosing a "budget" alternative when showing them up, my Ergotron LX Dual Side-by-Side Arm stands got me up and running in about 30 mins from opening their boxes and clearing my desk, and I got my screens 99.9% prefectly aligned. Reply
Hargak - Monday, April 05, 2010 - linkFor someone wanting to simply setup an extreme resolution display the ideal route (setting cost aside) is using 6 1080p projectors. they don't project a bezel. otherwise, go buy a 55" LED LCD, or wait until they have double res (denser pixel) displays for larger scale monitors. The 30" is a good balance of size, immersion, price, setup, resolution at much higher than standard High def, this is bledding edge, which means many will bleed money to get it right for the rest of us. This is simply not something you will see often. Hope the rambling came together as a thought. Reply
Necrosaro420 - Saturday, April 10, 2010 - linkI consider myself a pretty hardcore gamer. But I dont see why on earth someone would need 6 displays Reply
Etern205 - Sunday, May 02, 2010 - linkAnyone saw this yet?
http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/30/powercolor-hd59... Reply
eduardoandradeiturribarria - Monday, May 03, 2010 - linkCan I split a TV signal through eyefinity? Say it is football season, I already have for 42" hdtv sets. Could I use eyefinity to project a split single tv feed on my tv sets?
Regards Reply


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Published: Thursday, February 14, 2013 at 11:48 a.m.
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LAS VEGAS — A former high school football coach and teacher from Florida was sentenced to three months in jail and ordered to pay a $5,000 fine Thursday after being convicted of involuntary manslaughter in the one-punch death of a Utah man at a Las Vegas casino.
Defense attorney Jack Buchanan said he didn't believe a punitive stint in the Clark County Detention Center was appropriate for his client, 39-year-old Benjamin Gerard Hawkins of Gainesville. Hawkins has remained free following his November conviction in the death of 46-year-old John Massie, an occupational safety and health worker at Hill Air Force Base in Utah.
Clark County District Court Judge Valerie Adair also ordered Hawkins to serve five years of probation, undergo impulse-control and anger management counseling, and abstain from alcohol.
"We're just as disappointed in this as we were the verdict," said Buchanan, who had sought only probation for his client.
"He has no family members here, so he'll be here to serve that punishment and then head back. So obviously it's very difficult," he later added.
Hawkins didn't mean to kill Massie, and the felony conviction ruined his coaching and teaching career at Bradford County High School in Starke, Fla., Buchanan said.
Prosecutor Maria Lavell had sought a sentence of one to four years in prison.
The judge initially sentenced Hawkins to between one and two years in the Nevada Department of Corrections but immediately suspended the sentence in favor probation.
Evidence at trial showed both men had been drinking before the confrontation. Hawkins is black, and Massie was white.
Hawkins testified that Massie started an encounter in a restroom with an unsolicited comment about "black guys and these yellow shirts."
Hawkins told jurors that Massie derided him with racial comments and tapped him on the shoulder and chest in the restroom at O'Shea's Casino in July 2011, then approached him again after they walked separately to the gaming floor.
Hawkins said he thought Massie was threatening him.
As they emerged from the men's room, security video showed the two men a few feet apart before Hawkins began to walk away. Massie's hands were in his pockets as Hawkins then turned suddenly and threw the punch.
A medical examiner testified that Massie died after his head hit the floor.
Hawkins remained in the footage after the punch, apparently talking to his wife and friends before security, paramedics and police arrived.
Police said Hawkins had not been specific about racial taunts or what made him feel threatened. The lead investigator testified that he thought the case could fall anywhere between self-defense and murder.
Several Massie family members spoke during sentencing and said Hawkins did not appear remorseful.
After the trail, weeping family members comforted each other and reassured each other that their testimony had not been in vain.
In issuing her sentence, the judge chastised Hawkins for misconstruing Massie's actions and reacting in the wrong way.
"He could have avoided this," Adair said. "He overreacted, and it's just a horrible tragedy."
Hawkins remained impassive as the sentence was read, and bowed his head as he was handcuffed and led away.
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Samsung Galaxy Note 8.0 Reviewby Anand Lal Shimpi on 4/17/2013 11:29 PM EST
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Sleepingforest - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - linkI'm really excited about the multi-window support! I find myself switching between two apps (internet and note-taking) far too often on my phone--it's really annoying, even with multitasking tweaks and whatnot. Reply
gnx - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - linkIf you're into rooting and installing custom ROMs, AOKP with "last app" in the navigation bar is excellent for that kind of multitasking.
But as an 8.9 user, I really wish Samsung or someone would build a under 1lbs, 1080p HD, 8.9 tablet. The form factor of 8.9 makes it like a slim ipad4, while the under 1lbs makes it possible to hold with one hand, and of course, 1080p HD in 8.9 would not only look great, it'd make note taking (with an S pen or any other stylus) much more accurate.
Long ago, supposedly LG's consumer research showed the people felt the 8.9 as the ideal size. LG came out with the first one, and Sammy followed suit with a svelt Galaxy Tab 8.9. That was two years ago. Now, Amazon's 8.9 Kindle erred on being a tad too heavy (1.3 lbs), while this Galaxy Note errs on being too cramped. If Sammy would quite chasing Apple (and making a 8.0), and just go its own way with an upgraded 8.9.
Sleepingforest - Sunday, April 21, 2013 - linkThanks for the advice, but I'm actually an iPhone user (jailbroken!) It's starting to feel a bit slow though, and I don't know if I'm going to stick with Apple. I am pretty heavily invested in the app ecosystem here, but I'm sure an Android promotion will come up at some point with a Google Play giftcard as incentive.
I'll keep your advice in mind though, as I'm looking pretty closely at the HTC One! Reply
enmass90 - Monday, April 22, 2013 - linkIf you're a jailbroken iPhone user, download a tweak called "accelerate". It will make iOS feel alot snappier, and you can choose how fast you want it! Reply
TaylorSandler - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - linkLove my job, since I've been bringing in $5600… I sit at home, music playing while I work in front of my new iMac that I got now that I'm making it online.(Click Home information)
http://goo.gl/dg9Kt Reply
Donniesito - Friday, April 19, 2013 - linkWhy don't we have the ability to report posts as spam? Can we please get rid of these absurd comments? Reply
nerdstalker - Sunday, April 21, 2013 - linkI kinda like them; they are mostly funny. Especially when they are posted in bold.; easier to spot and read. Ha! :) Reply
DanielShaw - Wednesday, May 15, 2013 - linkThere is no doubt that Galaxy Note 8 is much more sophisticated and advanced than many other similar devices and Samsung products. It is very intuitive, quick and functional. It is perfect for using it on the go, when you need to take quick notes, write down some ideas, search for information, etc. Since I bought it few days ago, I am not stopping being impressed by this device.
See my full feedback and review of Galaxy Note 8:
http://www.squidoo.com/Samsung-Galaxy-Note-8-table... Reply
martie01 - Friday, May 17, 2013 - linkI'd agree. Samsung note 8 is certainly a tremendous device, even despite the rather high price. Reply
Gadgetguy52 - Friday, June 21, 2013 - linkI agree. Since I got the Note 8.0, I haven't been annoyed with not being able to open up an additional window. Reply
danstek - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - linkI just have to say that the background used for the photos looks awesome! Reply
klatscho - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - linkjust had the same thought - nice one anand Reply
hagmamad - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - linkstole the words out of my mouth Reply
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nerdstalker - Friday, April 19, 2013 - linkHey, c'mon Anand... This is AnandTech, the gathering place of geeks and nerds. It's not The Verge. :P Reply
mmartel - Saturday, April 20, 2013 - linkAnother thumbs up on the photos - beautiful background and photography. Reply
nerdstalker - Sunday, April 21, 2013 - linkI bet the photos look awesome on an iPad 4/5, rMBP or late-2012 iMac. ;) BTW, for a long time I expected AnandTech to review the late-2012 iMacs; but it didn't happen. :( I hope they review, at least when those get the next speed bump. Reply
jeffkibuule - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - linkIt's an interesting tablet for sure, but eh, we know we're going to get the Nexus 7 II with a 1920x1200 display and Qualcomm Snapdragon 600/800 in a month for $249-299. I'd just sit back and wait for the inevitable. Reply
thesavvymage - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - linkhell, it can keep the 1280x720 res if it stays at the 200/249 price point. Im just hoping the usb otg isnt totally neutered like it is on the Nexus 4. We shall see... Reply
MonkeyPaw - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - linkIt's actually 1280x800, but I really hope Google doesn't overdo the specs of Nexus 7.2 and forsake battery life. More than anything, I wish my Nexus 7 got a few more hours on a charge, especially during games. I appreciate a boost in specs, but I hope they are sane about it. Reply
teiglin - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - linkI'm not sure there's a reasonable compromise there, though, without increasing size pretty substantially. Even APQ8064 at 1.5GHz is going to blow through the <20Whr of battery one can fit in a chassis designed for a 7" screen very quickly, not to mention the higher draw of a denser display. Unfortunately, the reality of the OS situation means that Google lacks the luxury Apple has of running a lower-clocked CPU, so when it comes to gaming, the only way to save battery is to run games that look worse or wait for better silicon (or better battery technology, though I don't have the impression that's improving very fast).
I'm curious what your target battery life is for this sort of thing. I mean, four hours is a long time to be gaming away from a power source; it's within spitting distance of long enough for a cross-country flight (sorry, US-centric here), and when travelling, I tend to have a USB battery on hand anyway. Reply
MonkeyPaw - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - linkI suppose my thoughts are based on my first tablet, the Iconia A500. Battery life was crazy long on everything. I think I plugged it in once or twice a week, when it seems like my Nexus 7 gets plugged in almost everyday. Most days, I don't even game that long.
More directly to your question, I don't have a major complaint about the Nexus 7's battery life, but I would rather see batter life improve next release as opposed to getting worse. I don't feel that the general performance of the device is bad in any way, so it seems like a more efficient SOC that performs slightly better is all that is required. Provided they don't increase DPI, of course. Reply
Hung_Low - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - linkWhat is the GPS app used for the review? Seems to be very popular amongst the tech community Reply
thebigfudge - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - linkI found it: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.... Reply
mayankleoboy1 - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - linkThe only problem i see is the last generation hardware. Reply
mayankleoboy1 - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - linkJust to add, why would anyone not buy the Nexus 10 ? Reply
StormyParis - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - linkSize. Pen. SD. Reply
lmcd - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - linkExynos 4 Quad is definitely in the good enough range. Reply
Spunjji - Friday, April 19, 2013 - linkIt's probably a bit above that, being entirely honest. Tends to sit near the top end of benchmarks. Quad Krait / A6 is definitely better, but not a lot else. Reply
Spunjji - Friday, April 19, 2013 - linkOh no, so slow.
/sarcasm Reply
nerd1 - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - linkI think it's better than most people need - it exceeds ipad mini in almost every aspects (except for 10% less battery life) and I think wacom pen + multi-window support is very crucial for many circumstances, like searching for something in one window and writing down a note in the other window. Reply
nerd1 - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - linkAlso I think it is very absurd that just everyone ignores the micro SD slot when comparing prices. You can get 16GB one and put 32GB or 64GB micro SD to upgrade the storage, and most will do because it is way cheaper, which Nexus or iDevices cannot. Reply
steven75 - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - linkIt still falls down in one massive area that all Android tablets fall down in: app ecosystem. Reply
extide - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - linkApple fanboy much? lol Reply
NekoTipcat - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - linkIpad mini wins in 2 aspects or 3
1 Battery
3 iOS (if you like it) Reply
Spunjji - Friday, April 19, 2013 - linkSamsung Note 8.0 wins in 2 aspects or 3
1 Pen
3 Android (if you like it)
...sorry, I really couldn't resist. Reply
FlyBri - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - linkAnand -- I see you mention that the Galaxy Note 8.0 has a PLS display, but I have seen other information that states the display is a TFT panel. Could you provide some more color on this? Thanks! Reply
B3an - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - link... Err TFT stands for Thin-Film-Transistor. All LCD displays are TFT.
"TFT LCD" is the general technology and theres many different types of panels for it. PLS is one of them types. The Galaxy Note 8.0 uses PLS which is one of the best kinds of TFT LCD panels. Reply
Sabresiberian - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - link"PLS" is Samsung's version if LG's "IPS". :)
Whether or not it is better - well, there are different versions of both technologies, and Samsung's PLS is newer and so they are still improving it. I would judge on a product-by-product basis. Reply
FlyBri - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - linkMy bad, I meant TN, not TFT -- brain fart. In any case, if it's PLS, that's good, but the thing is still overpriced... Reply
nerd1 - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - linkActually S note lags a lot with Ativ smart PC (clover trail) but it's way better with oneNote. Reply
Death666Angel - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - linkDisplay analysis: You only show the contrast ratio for the highest brightness setting. In display reviews, you at least have min/max brightness contrast ratios. That is better, but you should really have a contrast/brightness diagram with at least 11 data points (0% to 100% in 10% increments).
"Unfortunately one of the hallmarks of TouchWiz is that all icons and widgets are considerably larger than they are under iOS" -> I don't see that in the picture you posted below that. It looks more cramped because it has more icons in the same space (5 horizontal on a 16:10 display vs. 4 on a 4:3 display and 6 vertical vs 4 vertical). If they are considerably larger, I should see it with my eye. But I don't. Can you provide measurements of the icons?
I agree completely with your tablet size assessment. I've had a 10" Android tablet for about 10 months now. It got used a lot when it was new (as any gadget does). But then the usefulness quickly plummeted and I often found myself wanting to be able to do more with it. Especially shoddy video playback was an annoyance. Any laptop or PC I own that is 5 years old or younger plays anything I through at it smoothly through either MPC-HC or VLC. For Android, I can never be sure until I try and often, even stuff that should play fine (720p downloaded content encoded for iTunes) stutters and has async video/audio on several players. So my 11.6" notebook (Core i3-330UM) took over most travelling duties again and the tablet got used as a toilet device and a portable console for young visitors. Now I have a 11.6" Samsung Core i tablet which I love. Battery life is of course shorter, but I still get through a day of use and that's all I need. If I had to buy a new tablet today, the 7" to 8" form factor would be what I would look at. But personally, I'm looking for a ~6" phone (Note 3 perhaps?) because my 4.7" GN feels positively tiny after a year of use and going to 6" would give me great pocketability, allow me to carry it everywhere while also giving me more real estate and let me stay with 2 portable devices instead of 3. :) Reply
rkcth - Friday, April 19, 2013 - linkI use a jailbroken ipad mini with VLC and it plays anything I throw at it, been watching the whole series of true blood and its awesome. The only issue I ever have is with audio syncing after pausing, I usually have to click the done button and reclick the video to get it to resync properly, but I'm pretty sure that's a bug in VLC since it only happens after pausing and playing. Reply
herts_joatmon - Saturday, April 20, 2013 - linkIt may just be the codex. I get the same problem on my android tablet with my true blood rips Reply
TareX - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - linkThis is making me even look more forward to the Note 3... Now that's a device that should last a long time before upgrading. Sorry HTC/Sony... you've had your chance to produce a proper phablet but you haven't delivered. Reply
FlyBri - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - linkThe Note 8.0 is for a niche market at this price to such an extent that I believe sales figures will be considerably lower than Samsung expects. As such, I see a price cut in the near future. I was looking forward to the Note 8.0. While the S pen is a great feature, it's not an absolute must have for me. To me, $399 is WAY too much to ask, and I think the market will reflect this with lower sales numbers. If Samsung even cut $50 off the price they'd be in much better shape... Reply
enealDC - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - linkAnother Android Tablet that will be useless in a matter of months! They are great to look at and hold and consume content on, but when the novelty wears off and you have business to get to, close the tablet and fire up your laptop (I'm a Transformer Prime owner).
The next device I get is going to be a Microsoft Surface Pro for sure! Reply
nerd1 - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - linkHaving used win8 tablet for years and now using galaxy tab 7.7 for my main mobile device (including phone!), I cannot disagree more. Reply
thesavvymage - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - linkplease tell me, which windows 8 tablet have you been using for years? There are NONE that have been out for more than a year. Installing the consumer preview on something else i guess was possible a year ago Reply
nerd1 - Friday, April 19, 2013 - linkW8 developer preview was available july 2011, and I've been using EP121, W500, slate 7. Reply
Ashley1989 - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - linkHi, I'm awaiting for the launch of this machine in India, expected somewhere in the end of April. I'm inclined towards its sleek design and its task switcher feature. Its available on S3 too if you update your software. Can't wait to install One browser to it, download and surf at lightening speed. Its gonna be a deadly combo. Reply
superflex - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - linkNo Editors Choice award?
Enjoy the wrath of the Samsung Fanbois. Reply
herts_joatmon - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - linkThis is the first review i've read to date on this that talks about the s-pen as a drawing tool and compares it to a similar product (the surface in this case). The main reason I wanted this was to use as a mobile sketchpad. I have concerns now having read that its not upto the standard of the surface pro. Saying that, I cant afford the Surface pro so I may have no other choice than this. Was it the pen itself that was the issue? Have your tried it with other Wacom pens? I've already gone out and bought the seperate s pen with erraser for the improved ergonomics and functionality assuming it would be a better experience than the standard pen supplied. Reply
Arbie - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - linkThis is a real prospect for me. The screen size is just large enough to enjoy videos, while still being portable.
What I really appreciate is the SD card slot. On a device so capable of media playback, it's a no-brainer to include a tiny, low-cost way of instantly swapping libraries of content in and out. The size of the internal storage is irrelevant to this - nothing beats micro/SD for loading and unloading media sets. The companies that omit SD in order to force higher prices for internal storage (!) will never get my business. Reply
nerd1 - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - linkStill some company is charging $100 for extra 16GB while you can get 32GB card at $20. Reply
antef - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - linklol, a menu button on a tablet??? Users will probably never even notice it's there. Imagine such a thing on an iPad or Nexus 10.
Samsung just doesn't get it. Reply
nerd1 - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - linkIt actually helps a lot to have external buttons on tablet, as it won't eat up screen real estate.
I hate permanent on-screen buttons. Reply
Calista - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - linkFully agree, have always found the onscreen buttons of HC and ICS a bit akward, to easy to hit by mistake. But I guess real buttons would hinder the idea that the tablet should be able to be turned any way the user please. Unfortunately it still won't work that way since we always have the power and volume button and the speakers in fixed positions. Reply
antef - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - linkThe problem with real buttons is flexibility. If you include a hardware menu key (Samsung), it creates a bad, disjointed UI experience and a button that sometimes does nothing depending on the app you're in. An app's functionality should be fully contained with the app's UI and a button off-screen to pull up some functions is not smart design. It's also completely inconsistent ith 10" tablets and thus hard for new users to learn which is why Google axed it. However, if you don't include a hardware menu key (HTC), you're stuck with a full-row black menu bar for legacy apps that expect an off-screen menu key. On-screen keys eliminate this issue and let you have the best of both worlds. Reply
HanakoIkezawa - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - linkIm sorry but I fail to see how having dedicated buttons off screen create a broken experience in any way, shape or form. I for one cannot stand having wasted pixels on screen or having no dedicated Reply
HanakoIkezawa - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - linkMenu or back button. Hardware buttons and the "experience" are completely objective and chanfe from user to user. Ios devices drive me insane because I only have a menu button ans no back button, but my sister loves having only one button on her iphone. I feel lost on nexus devices because of the lack of hardware buttons but im sure some nexus owners how despise the note 8 layout.
It's all matter of opinion. Reply
antef - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - linkA menu button need not be in a permanent bar that uses screen real estate, it should be with the app's UI, which is what Google's guidelines indicate. It doesn't make sense for a large screen application to require a tiny button off-screen to be pressed to pull up app functionality. It's disjointed and unintuitive. Reply
Sabresiberian - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - linkHeh I suggest that the fact that the Surface Pro is based on any Ivy Bridge Core i5 chip could be the reason it is faster at, oh, everything. :) Reply
herts_joatmon - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - linkI mainly want this for sketching. I had no issues when trying it out in the samsung store. I was using Sketchbook pro though not s note. Had 4 layers on there (sketch, inking, backround colour and picture colour). It seemed to work fine through out. I only spent about 15 minutes playing though... Reply
GNUminex - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - linkAs a college student I constantly see other students struggling to annotate lecture slides or or pdfs on their tablets, and/or struggling to type on their tablets. It really confounds me why no one has set out to make hardware that comprehensively meets the productivity needs of these people and then market the device to them. Keyboards that don't physically connect to the tablets and act as a base are not practical for all situations. The transformer's dock doesn't make a sturdy base. The Surfaces don't sit well on a lap and are too expensive. The Note finally solves the writing problem with it's stylus but has no keyboard, and the more traditional tablet laptops are too big and too expensive. Reply
The0ne - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - linkYou've been using Win8 tablets for years? How can this be? Reply
The0ne - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - linkYou've been using Win8 tablets for years? How can this be? Reply
nerd1 - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - linkWin8 developer preview was released July 2012 as far as I remember. Reply
ezekiel68 - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - linkI came in interested in the Note 8. I left interested in the Nexus 10. Reply
haukionkannel - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - linkWell, I came to the same conclusion than the article writer. I would take any day Nexys 7 with a s-pen over this product if it only would be available... Better screen, longer usage time, smaller size...
Hopefully we will some day see "note" version of some of those small size Nexus tablets!
I don't mind a little bit weaker CPU or GPU as long as you get better screen and longer battery time!
But not a bad product at all! Reply
herts_joatmon - Friday, April 19, 2013 - linkYou could always root this, under clock and undervolt the CPU thus giving you Nexus 7 level performance and improved battery life. I also assume that the Wacom digitizer tech used in this uses additional electricity meaning that if it was applied to the Nexus 7, you would probably get reduced battery life anyway Reply
HisDivineOrder - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - linkThe reason Samsung is doing a sea of niches is because they've got the advantage of a huge manufacturing infrastructure they can rely on to do it and do it well. They intend to drown Apple in an ocean of different products at different sizes and specs, bombarding the consumer in so much product there's little chance they haven't made something better for you in an Android variety.
Poor Apple. They aren't destined to win this one. They're going to be shoved back into that niche box by the end and a big part of the reason will be Samsung, their ex-partner they burned with lawsuits and price bickering. Another large part of the reason will be the fact that Apple seems to be tapped out on new ideas or innovative styling.
Now everything's just, "Thinner, silverer, black/white-er." They're like fans of a dead man who can't appreciate anything new because of a blind devotion to the rapidly decaying chic of the dearly departed. Reply
nerd1 - Friday, April 19, 2013 - linkSamsung has some advantage over other OEMs, but not over apple. BOM of apple products are always much cheaper, and they are enjoying double the margin of others. Reply
Mercadian - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - linkHi Anand,
Why have you stopped benchmarking mobile SoCs with Epic Citadel? I remember you did a great job with iPhone 4S review. Reply
Jumangi - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - linkI don't know why Samsung thinks this thing is worth $400. I'm not the biggest Apple fan but at that price I would just buy the iPad. Reply
herts_joatmon - Friday, April 19, 2013 - linkLook up the price of a wacom tablet. then add that price to the iPad to get a comparable price. This is a modern tablet and graphics tablet in one The ipad is just a modern tablet. Reply
nerd1 - Friday, April 19, 2013 - linkiPad users are actually paying $100 to get JOT stylus to get a half-baked pressure sensitivity... Reply
SuperSuperChicken - Friday, April 19, 2013 - link"If you're the type of person to value, polish and take care of the things you own, the Note 8's construction doesn't convey luxury. If you want something you're not going to feel bad about tossing about like you would your keys or a bag, maybe a plastic tablet is less of a problem."
I see this a lot on Anandtech lately, with the phone reviews and now this. The insinuation is that if I don't want a metal-cased device, then automatically I'm one that doesn't care about the condition of my devices or how they look, which is simply not true.
Now, I'm no fan of glossy plastic, I would have hoped the manufacturers would have moved away from it by now. However, I am a fan of plastic and prefer it over metal devices such as the iPad due to the fact that in the real world, I can actually hold onto a plastic device whereas the metal ones tend to slip through my fingers. I think the Nexus 7 is a nice looking device, but even I'm not foolish enough to argue that it looks better than the iPad. However, when I have to encase the iPad in a cover in order to be able to hold it, it seems the point is moot.
I appreciate quality materials, however, in my case it doesn't take precedence over practicality. With plastic bodies, I can run my phone and tablet without cases, keeping them slim as designed - which is something metal bodied devices wouldn't be able to offer. I just ask that you keep that perspective in mind and don't just assume that everyone who has a plastic-bodied device doesn't care how it looks and is want to mistreat them. Reply
nerd1 - Friday, April 19, 2013 - linkI see lots of plastic cases for metal phones - I wonder why nobody makes a metal case for plastic phones. Reply
SuperSuperChicken - Friday, April 19, 2013 - linkCompanies do, actually (search for "metal case galaxy s3"). I'm not sure how much I'd trust them not to degrade reception though. Reply
boomhowler - Friday, April 19, 2013 - linkI really like that you included a NAND-test. Those memory chips can be a real performance killer if they are bad. A request: it would be interesting to see if the NAND performance is about the same when the storage has been filled to ~90%. I have several colleagues who experience large performance degradations on their androids when the storage starts to fill up. And if you can, also add comparisons to Win8/iOS models as well. Reply
awehring - Saturday, April 20, 2013 - linkAnand,
you are missing an universal remote to control a home cinema. Me too!
But I found TouchSquid Remote at the Android Play Store, which claims to be just that. Have you ever tried it? Reply
arifmahmud - Saturday, April 20, 2013 - linkThis review is a compact review of Samsung Galaxy Note 8.0 & help any readers at glance about the awesome device. Reply
Commodus - Sunday, April 21, 2013 - linkLike it or not, Samsung is going to be burned by that $399 price.
Is it fair for what you get? Sure -- but most people don't need a pen and Wacom digitizer. You could safely argue that most customers at this size are buying for cost, not features; otherwise, they'd get a 10-inch tablet or a low-end laptop. While the iPad mini isn't the best value-for-money deal in its current state, it also costs $70 less, carries more tablet-native apps and first launched several months ago.
Personally, I'd be more curious to see what Apple does for the second-gen iPad mini than the Note 8.0. Put in a Retina-ish display and an A6 at $329 and the tiny iPad could be a killer combo. Reply
herts_joatmon - Monday, April 22, 2013 - linkI be suprised if Samsung designed this as an "iPad killer". Unlike Apple and some other manufacturers, Samsung dont have a one size fits all policy. Rather, they have segregated the market into smaller segments. This tablet is aimed at creative types, where as most tablets are designed for consumption (reading, gaming, browsing etc).
Like the original Note phone. They wont have expected it to sell in abundance, but if other market segments take it up, it will be a bonus to them.
For me, the closest rival is the Surface Pro. Thats the only other tablet that you can actually draw on with pressure sensitivity support and good accuracy (that im aware off) and that is over twice the price. So is $399 a fair price? Compared to $999, its a bargain.
What I want is a mobile sketch book. Any other functionality is a bonus in my opinion. Reply
nerd1 - Wednesday, April 24, 2013 - link$500 Ativ smart PC has the same wacom support. Reply
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A_Smith - Thursday, April 25, 2013 - linkIs that a painting colored by fabric colors at the back of photos in the review? Reply
fteoath64 - Friday, April 26, 2013 - linkOnly 1 comment that is most important is the aspect ratio of the screen!. The iPad Mini's 4:3 ratio is just perfect for web and reading and it is nor less good for movie watching either!. The 16:9 ratio of Note makes it look long and web reading is constrained by either too narrow a width on portrait mode or too shallow if put on landscape mode. I suggest a 1600 X 1200 screen be used with minimal bezel on the sides. All other things are perfect as they are ... Reply
Pessimism - Wednesday, May 08, 2013 - linkPlastic housing and no cellular telephone capability = no care. Reply
martie01 - Saturday, May 18, 2013 - linkI'd agree, but the other features are just way to cool. This is truly a Great "Phablet"! The price is bit steep. Check out my review for lowest prices and cool features as well if you care to.
http://squidoo.com/samsung-note-8 Reply
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Gadgetguy52 - Tuesday, May 14, 2013 - linkAs a southpaw, I appreciate the functionality of the S pen for writing. I wrote a review on my reasons for buying and made a comparison chart with the iPad mini and other devices.
http://www.squidoo.com/samsung-galaxy-note-8-0-pri... Reply
vipuls1979 - Monday, May 27, 2013 - linkFeatures are cool of Samsung but the recent tablet launched by Sony Xperia Z tablet is awesome for more details you can checkout on http://mobiknowhow.blogspot.com Reply


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In-Win GRone Case Review: Do Features Make the Caseby Dustin Sklavos on 9/18/2012 12:01 AM EST
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mattgmann - Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - linkGood article. My commentary is simply on the state of computer cases?
It just seems that 99% of the "performance" cases out there are styled to appeal to a 14 year old boy's fantasy of some type of sci-fi prop.
Lian-li and Silverstone seem to have stopped making sleek aluminum cases with decent finishes. At least, they're not what they used to be.
There are certainly some custom chassis companies out there, but they've sacrificed pretty much all aesthetics for performance. They're certainly high quality, but utilitarian to say the least?
Is anyone making good cases with solid, sleek modern designs? I'd like to see some cases with nice finishes too. NOT airbrushed pictures of chicks riding dragons! A good paint/powder coat job can do wonders for a case.
Anyway, rant over. I'm just hoping someone at a major company will hear enough requests and hire some designers who don't dress like the cast of "Tokyo Drift". Reply
vincentlaw - Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - linkThe Corsair 550D has a rather understated design actually, and Anandtech has a review of it. It's basically a black slab, with no obnoxious lighting or windows, and a nice textured paint job. Reply
Omega215D - Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - linkAlong with Corsair's Carbide, Lian Li, Silverstone cases there's Fractal Design and A few Antec cases.
My CM 690 is pretty conservative as well. Reply
Operandi - Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - linkI agree this case is supremely stupid looking. Oddly enough Inwin do make some very clean looking cases. They are usually pretty light on features but they are very, very well built sadly they are not marketed toward the performance user. Instead we get these gaudy "gamer" cases that look like a prop from Starship Troopers.
I have to disagree with your Lian Li comment though. Their modern cases are vastly superior to their old ones. All my high-end builds go in Lian Lis. Reply
StevoLincolnite - Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - linkBut I liiiike Starship troopers! D:
Personally I liked the styling of the old silver Thermaltake Xaser 2 cases, think I might have one somewhere...
Before my current case (Corsair Vengeance C70) I had an Antec Dark Fleet-85 that would light up like a Christmas tree, never again. :P Reply
Samus - Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - linkI agree, even lan boxes/gaming PC's should look professional and not like they're designed by a 14 year old. I'm in my 30's and all Silverstone cases appeal to me, along with many Lian-Li cases. Just about everything else is styled like a bad joke. Reply
Belard - Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - linkAntec 280. Its a slick and business like version of the Antec 1100. Check it out. Its a great case to work with.
Yeah, the $100 Antec 280 and 1100 are a better deal.
In-WIN is a good company... they have made some very interesting and good cases for many many years... only in the past year or so have they made themselves public. Reply
just4U - Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - linkI like cases with a window in them (im 43!) but like the rest of you I am not into the childtoy design of some cases. I've found that the Corsair 600T is probably the best modern design (look wise) i've seen in years.. I also like the Storm Scout from Coolermaster and several of Antecs more modest cases (the one, three hundred, & Sonata)
I was hopeful with the new lanboys that came out.. thinking yeah a modern take on the old one.... then I saw them and wanted to cry. Right now I am running thru some of Silverstones MATX cases... their quite stylish.. and the builds when complete look really sharp but their not the type of cases you want to fiddle with internals when your done. (alot of us I think.. change out parts all the time..) Reply
Belard - Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - linkHAHAHA! Silly old man!
A friend of mine bought the 600T... Its a good case. I tell friends and clients to pick what rubs them the right way. I do quite a bit of research myself and look at the construction, air-filter access, air-vents (I don't care for TOP vents), size, etc - as each build may require a different case. I got a $65 case on sale for $35 that was perfect for a client - but not something I would want... even thou its looks very good with brushed metal look ALL around.
I'd really love to see an mATX size version of the P280... as I prefer my PCs on the desk, not the floor... but still look good.
PS: I'm 42 :) But I'm in my 20s at heart and health (usually) - I still play 3DShooter games with some of the best. Reply
db4williams - Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - linkFractal Design's ARC Midi. I built my system using the ARC Midi and I will say it is simply amazing! It looks great, has great cooling capacity, and it's water cooling friendly! Fractal Design hit it out of the park with it's design IMO. Reply
colinstu - Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - linkHappy with my Antec P280.
Good cases do exist out there, just gotta look at the right companies (cheapies like In-Win isn't one of them).
Corsair 650D was looking like a nice option too, but the side window was a turnoff (I'm not into them these days) and it cost more money so I ultimately went with the Antec.
The Fractal Design Core 3000 I'd go with if I wanted to cheapen it up some more, and the NZXT Source 210 if I wanted to really cheapen it up. I used this NZXT in a friend's build recently too and I was quite happy with it (and so is he).
There's dozens more nice cases out there... but these 4 are my top easy picks (4 different price points) with getting a well featured case that doesn't look fugly. Reply
peterfares - Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - linkI too have an Antec P280 which I bought for the same reasons. When I was 14 I loved cases like this one with windows and lights. My next build really toned it down and my latest case finally did away with all the useless and annoying lights and windows. I can't stand any lights or noise now, I even put electrical tape over the bright blue power and HDD LEDs on the case. I may just unplug them next time I open it up. Reply
Belard - Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - linkI've built a system with a P280... great case.
I would LOVE to see a mini-version... designed to hold a single 5.25 drive, 4x 3.5/2.5 drives...
I'm still on my Antec P120, which is a smaller and doorless version of the P180. The P280 blows away the P180. Its not as ENGINEERED as the P180 with its air-chambers, drive cages, etc.
But its (A) Lighter (B) Cheaper (C) Easier to work on (D) USB 3.0.
My son has lights in his case (blue and red), also lets me know easily that his PC is on. I do like a little blue to glow from real air-vents, but nothing that lights up the room. Reply
colinstu - Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - linkHey, on the topic of "mini" P280s... would a "Fractal Design Define Mini" be up your alley?
Looks like an awesome option. Reply
ssj4Gogeta - Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - link"I can't stand any lights or noise now, I even put electrical tape over the bright blue power and HDD LEDs on the case. I may just unplug them next time I open it up."
Haha, for some reason I pictured you as a robot running around saying "Kill all lights... kill all lights". Reply
ypsylon - Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - linkThat people still are interested in cases like this one. Steel and plastic. Brrrr... I know that aluminum is usually more expensive, but easily you can find good alu case around same kind of money. Try alu once and you will never go back. Simple as that. Reply
Dustin Sklavos - Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - linkWhat, like Lian Li or Cubitek?
Aluminum is HIGHLY overrated. Reply
Flying Goat - Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - linkWho in their right mind calls a case "GRone"? Did anyone even try to read that phonetically? Reply
randinspace - Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - linkLarry the cable guy came to mind. Reply
sesante2000 - Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - linkI could understand if this case had something unique or special to offer, But no, It's just ugly.
Finding a good case that suites ones style and function is just as hard as finding the right motherboard to match.
Cases like these perpetuate the nonsense that "gamer" cases have become.
If I walked into someones house and saw this I would think they just didn't know any better.
But they should, as they are building their own PC.
But who am I to judge?
I mean, This is the lowest common denominator in custom PC cases. Reply
randinspace - Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - linkIt IS big. Reply
cjs150 - Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - linkLets start with the obvious, the front is ugly. They have taken the original Centurion Stacker and then made it a bit bigger and ugly.
Sure it takes EATX motherboards which is useful for those that need that level of power and flexibilty. But other than that what does it actually do better than cases designed 5 or 6 years ago.
There has been no thought applied to this case. Lets take some obvious ideas for improvement:
1. If a case is designed for that many hard drives why is there no hot swappable ability?
2. Similarly for that many hard drives it would be nice to see some thought applied to cable management and power distribution to the hard drives
3. If the cases is intended for air cooling then cable management is vital - where is it?
Antec 280 may not be my favourite case, but they thought about what market to go for and designed a case to meet that market. Fractal Design produces nice cases, with features thought through for a particular market (esp water cooling). Heck I even like Lian li for trying different things, even if they do not come off. And, despite some doubtful quality control issues, I own a Silverstone TJ07 and am about to buy the TJ08E. Reply
Skidmarks - Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - linkAlthough I haven't seen it in the plastic & steel yet, judging it by the pics it looks like a dreadful mess to me. Reply
rickon66 - Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - linkAs an Antec fan, 1100 still overall best buy. Reply
angrypat - Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - linkIt does seem to be in fashion for cases to be overdone and scifi comic book like, I would rather have understated looks and form following function. And no damn doors or hinged covers, if I want to open an optical drive or access a usb port I don't want to open a door first. The question I never see asked is why so few cases have an SD card reader, much more useful than a front ESATA port; storage for laptops, tablets, phones and cameras. Rear expansion slot mounted fan controls suck, very inconvenient, and they are tossed in with many cases. As for myself, I build a pc, then may tweak occasionally but I am not constantly working in it, after 40 plus builds no case has really annoyed me to work in whether it was $20 or $100. The delivery people beating the crap out of them on the way to my door is another matter of course! Outside of a media center case I don't see any reason to spend more than $100 unless you want to show off. Cooling fans can always be added or changed, run off the mobo or a fan controller. The most important thing is to know what you are building; gamer, media center, office, everyday web surfer or a serious number cruncher etc. Reply
Grok42 - Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - linkThe reason door and covers are used is they provide a clean look for the front of the case. Because case manufactures insist on putting 3 to 9 external 5.25" bays in the case they have to cover them up so the case doesn't look like crap. I agree, get rid of the door as they just require more case depth. Instead, just don't have any external bays and it's a win/win.
They don't put a SD card reader in the case because it's like putting a VHS deck or DVD drive in a TV. Remember those? Why build a piece of dead tech into the case itself? I still have a 10 year old Lian-Li case as my main workstation. I'm sure glad they didn't build a zip drive in it. The days of sneaker netting data from phones, cameras, tablets, etc are long gone. If you still have a few devices you must do it with, that is what $5 USB card readers are for. Reply
bwcbwc - Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - linkI take it this should be pronounced "groan"?
Unfortunately I fall into the hate it camp at least based on the front panel aesthetic - it looks like a prop from the original Battlestar Galactica. Other design choices are less "groan" worthy, but as you say there are other companies in this price range with alternatives I find more appealing. Reply
Solidstate89 - Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - linkThe GRone case? Are you kidding me right now? Who in marketing thought that would make a great name? Reply
MeanBruce - Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - linkBuy a man's chassis, the Corsair 650D was $161.99 a couple days ago on Amazon free shipping no tax. Stand Up Boy! Reply
Bonesdad - Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - linkIf you like the way this case looks, there is something wrong with you. Reply
pdjblum - Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - linkI would so much appreciate if you could list the materials in the spec list,. Cases made out of aluminium are not the same as those made out of other materials., so knowing the material is important., Reply


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