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Few would recommend Erlang as a high-performance string manipulating language. Strings in erlang are simply lists of characters, with a bit of syntactic sugar to allow you to easily construct such lists as text enclosed within quotation marks. In fact, to quote Sendmail's excellent case studyin implementing their Sendmail load balancing "Client Daemon" in Erlang:
But Erlang's treatment of strings as lists of bytes is as elegant as it is impractical. The factor-of-eight storage expansion of text, as well as the copying that occurs during message-passing, cripples Erlang for all but the most performance-insensitive text-processing applications.
To understand why Erlang string handling is less efficient than a language like Perl, you need to know that each character uses 8 bytes of memory. That's right -- 8 bytes, not 8 bits! Erlang stores each character as a 32-bit integer, with a 32-bit pointer for the next item in the list (remember, strings are lists of characters.)
This was not done out of wanton wastefullness; using such large values means that Erlang can easily handle anything the UNICODE people throw at it, and the decision to represent strings as lists of characters means that a host of built-in Erlang primitives work on strings without any work on our parts. On the down side, this also means strings use a lot of memory, and that access to the nth element takes O(n) time (rather than the O(1) time we would get with strings represented as arrays of characters.)
In Erlang, literal strings are enclosed in quotes and may contain linebreaks inline, i.e.
1>A_string = "A literal string with a linebreak (\"\\n\") in it". 2>A_string. "A literal string with a linebreak ("\n")\nin it" 3>io:fwrite(A_string). A literal string with a linebreak ("\n") in it
Because Erlang strings are lists, you can use any of the functions in the lists library to manipulate the string:
1> lists:sort("Hello"). "Hello" 2> lists:sort("ZYX"). "XYZ" 3> lists:subtract("123212", "212"). "312". 4> lists:suffix(".txt", "test.txt"). true 5> lists:suffix(".txt", "test.html"). false
If you want to find out what character is at a specific position in a string, use lists:nth(N, List), where N is a 1-based index in the string:
6> lists:nth(A_string, 1) 65
length will tell you how long a string (or any list) is.
7> length(A_string). 46
Due to Erlang's single-assignment nature, it does not provides mutable strings. If you want to modify a string, you must build a new string out of the revised elements. You can make a copy of a string using duplicate. However, this is of limited utility, since you can't modify it anyway:
8> C_String = hd(lists:duplicate(1, A_string)). "A literal string with a linebreak \\n\nin it"
You can create new strings with both lists:duplicate and string:chars:
9> F_string = lists:duplicate(5, $*). "*****" 10> G_string = string:chars($*, 5). "*****"
You can also use lists:append to join strings:
11> H_string = lists:append(["Hello, ", "Erlang", "!"]). "Hello, Erlang!"

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Florida football coach Will Muschamp is getting a raise.
The Florida athletic department confirmed Friday that Muschamp has received an annual increase of $250,000 per season on a contract that runs through 2017. That puts his annual salary at close to $3 million per season ($2.928 million to be exact).
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The Miami Herald (http://bit.ly/14Vz4E4 ) reports that Maria Italiano and Cher Filippazzo, who married in Connecticut, approached Massimiliano Gerina as a sperm donor several years ago following unsuccessful attempts to become pregnant through a professional clinic. Gerina gave the women his sperm, and Italiano conceived.
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ATI's Avivo Update - H.264 Acceleration & a Special Downloadable Surpriseby Anand Lal Shimpi on 12/16/2005 3:09 PM EST
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jpowell5 - Thursday, February 02, 2006 - linkIs there anyone here actually using the latest version of Cyberlink's H.264 Decoder with Windows Media Player?
I have yet to get it play an AVC H.264 Video clip. I've tried clips endoded with the MainConcept H.264 encoder, QuickTime and Nero H.264 encoder. None of these clips will invoke the Cyberlink decoder and play the clip.
Please let me know if you've had some success with this and what your system configuration is.
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Bencoder - Thursday, March 09, 2006 - linkJust get the CoreAVC h.264 decoder and the latest version of WMP Classic. Save yourself the 15 bucks. Works like a champ. See lots of good resources and comments about the decoder application at Doom9. Warning! The version released by the company is not open-source and is only a beta. Apparently the full release version of CoreAVC is not going to be a piece of shareware. Reply
Davebo - Thursday, December 22, 2005 - linkhttp://www.ati.com/technology/h264.html">http://www.ati.com/technology/h264.html
I thougt this was to be free? Not much different than PureVideo now, is it? Reply
apriest - Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - linkYeah, that bites... Reply
Tujan - Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - linkATI promised us H.264 decode acceleration
....of H.264 movies possible on lower end systems and have less of a performance impact on all systems. ATI's work on H.264 decode acceleration today is extremely important because H.264 is the codec of choice for both Blu-ray and HD-DVD.
Gosh do you think that somebody could name H.264 decode acceleration something less cryptic sounding ? Just what IS H.264 decode , is it on my CD,my DVD,...does my camera make one.? Is it HDTV,or 'broadcast signaling,..or a 'format ? [ ]
I had let AutoUpdates run on my computer here.So WMP 10 was installed.I have a DVD player/writer of wich I had taken for granted thinking in terms of usage of it w/o its software complements.I for a new configuration of software had uninstalled a proprieties DVD player. So when I plopped my DVD into the player so late at night,WMP (the only thing on the machine for 'media) 10 would not play the DVD w/o a 'codec.
Blissfully wondering through Microsofts website,the MSN.com looking for DVD codecs,I found that 'sure,you can watch your DVD,but you will have to purchase a 15$ software codec.
Well long story short,the DVD/Writer 'came with a DVD codec.Named to any other name than the DVD player itself though through its complementing 'lite'DVD movie player.Wich I had reinstalled.Think you purchase a DVD writer,that you can write gigs of information to,yet you have to have yet another component to look at a DVD.
Annyway,Im involved in trying to figure out what the best approach would be to creating self designed media- movies,data etc for use between the different devices that 'create them,and play them back.Weird thing is some equipment will do a given format,so that it is not compatible to what your playback equipment/software my be compatible with. Mpeg,MPeg 1,Mpeg 2,AVI,.Mov etc.All considerations,now H.264 ? Think the information you create -the receiver (mom,dad,gramps,boss) must be handled by the the same sustanance of knowledge ,and equipment you used to create it.That is you may have a good codec,but your going to have to 'deck the users,and viewers of your work with the appropriate contributive compatible equipment.
And I think that a device that does a single output is missing some screws if it is thought this is the only thing going.
Happy Holidays.
ViRGE - Sunday, December 18, 2005 - linkIt seems to be a good start from ATI, but I'd really like to see more options in their converter. Assuming the output quality is up to par with what DivX/XviD can offer, I'd like to see them enable users to select specific MPEG4 encoding options(B-Frames, Qpel, etc) that the current encoders offer, otherwise the program may not be of much use. Eventually a full-fledged Windows codec for all of this is also going to be something encoders will want, as the ideal situation will be to hook in VirtualDub, AVISynth, and other encoding apps in to the GPU accelerated encoder, in order to utilize their editing and remastering features. What they're offering right now is more like a reduced version of Dr. Divx, which is useful for some people, but not enough for others.
Still, this is a good start, especially the H.264 decoding support. I only hope ATI can come through on GPU-assisted encoding like they've promissed, as that's been a holy grail that has escaped ATI and Nvidia for some time now. Reply
bloc - Saturday, December 17, 2005 - linkWhen the x1600 line came out, the reviewers gave mediocre reviews as they thought the price was going to be $200+. Now that it's in the $140 US range, it's roughly the same price as the 6600 GT. This alters the $$ vs FPS ratio of the x1600's by a lot.
I'd recommend the 6600 GT for agp, but the x1600 looks like a good option for pcix boards. Reply
PrinceGaz - Saturday, December 17, 2005 - linkWith ATI making available for free the video encoding/decoding software for their VPUs, do you think this might prompt nVidia to make the PureVideo software also available for free? The current situation where you have to either pay up to $50 or use a keygen to continue to use it after 30 days is stupid. Reply
ViRGE - Sunday, December 18, 2005 - linkIt's unlikely Nvidia will change, and I'm a bit surprised even ATI is. MPEG decoders cost money to properly license, and right now ATI is eating the cost for a H.264 license(but not a MPEG2 license it seems). I really doubt Nvidia is going to want to eat up the costs retroactively, but weirder things have happened before. Reply
deathwalker - Saturday, December 17, 2005 - linkSurely you jest!! Not today, toworrow or ever! Reply
Anton74 - Saturday, December 17, 2005 - linkHmm, interesting. In http://www.chip.de/artikel/c1_artikel_17670022.htm...">this article, which apparently talks about a different revision of the same software (looks practically identical, but is entitled "ATi Avivo Transcode Wizard" in the program's title bar, as opposed to "ATi Avivo Video Converter" in the AT article), the author says the GPU hardware is used to speed things up (which is quite believable if the benchmarks are accurate, which show up to a 5x increase with a X1300 Pro assisted transcode versus a sole FX-57 [!!]).
Something's gotta be up here - I have trouble believing that a very significant speed increase (~2x - 5x) can be achieved without either a GPU assist, or very different output quality (which is why it's very important to not only measure transcoding time, but also compare video quality, as has already been pointed out - otherwise you don't know if you're comparing apples to apples).
If I may ask, how did you determine that the GPU is not used, especially since the program won't work without one?
Either way, these X1000 GPU's are looking more and more attractive, despite not quite keeping up with their competition some of the time in pure gaming performance (for similarly priced cards, of course). Reply
OCedHrt - Monday, December 19, 2005 - linkMaybe it makes use of GPU assisted decode, but not encode. Reply
Calin - Monday, December 19, 2005 - linkI thought about it too - but the decode isn't so much faster by GPU assisted, compared to decode by software. There was at most twice the speed of decoding using GPU, and encoding time should be greater than decoding. Reply
irev210 - Friday, December 16, 2005 - linkI just picked up an X1800XT and I had a bad fan out of the box. Luckly I ordered two, so I just put in the 2nd one while I replace the first and install it in a friends machine. I called ATi to RMA because their website was 1/2 broken 1/2 working at the time, and the guy wouldnt RMA it over the phone, which was pretty sad.
I guess I got unlucky, but the 2nd card I got had a bent bracket. Took me about 15 minutes to get the card installed even after taking off the bracket and straighting it the best I could do.
VERY happy with the cards actual performance though. The AVIVO sounds great. I have a replayTV and I record a lot of shows. Using DVARCHIVE, I store them to my PC and shrink/encode them to watch them on my pocketPC phone on the subway. I would love to speed that process up with AVIVO.
ATI guys-- if you read this, do something about your retarded tech support, and try to make sure that when the dude in china puts together this card that the fan works. The guy wouldnt even just send me a fan. He then argued that I had to call the computer company that my X1800XT came inside. I was like, you do know that ATi sells video cards under their own label right? He put me on hold after giving him my serial # and said, "YES, you have an ATI card, go to ATI.COM and create an RMA" even though I asked to do it over the phone because I was having problems accessing the ATI website. I then told him I wanted this 2nd card to put in a computer for chirstmas and he said "oh Im sorry, RMA takes around 10+ days".
Anyway, RECAP:
Cards performance is MUCH better than expected (switched from 7800GTX 256 SLI)
NO it doesnt match SLI performance, but it works great.
This will hold me over till the next gen graphcis card
Generic Guy - Sunday, December 18, 2005 - linkIn other words: ATI's reduced warranty and crappy customer service rears its ugly head, once again. Especially right before Christmas, yeesh.
I've had two ATI Radeon products, plus a Rage-128 before that. I've been more or less happy, but been a victim of the "bad drivers" days and remember these types of issues to this day. It really seems to be getting to the point where ATI is bound and determined to kill themselves off with stupid paper launches of non-existant products, and horrendously worthless support on premium-priced products.
Sorry ATI. I'll just keep my Nero Recode and choose not to buy your products any longer. Reply
LoneWolf15 - Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - linkBitter much?
I had the Rage 128 too (Rage Fury Pro AGP) and yes, it bit. And drivers were lousy. So was support. And I sent it back, and went with a TNT2-Ultra based card instead.
But if you're basing your opinion on a card released in late `98/early `99, you're not living in today's world. ATI has made major strides. Drivers are no longer an issue, and haven't been since (at the very latest) the Radeon 9xxx lines of cards.
Also, I haven't needed support on either my Radeon 9700 or my Radeon X800XL. They've worked right out of the box, without issue. Your current complains about support (for BETA software no less) don't seem germane to the article.
If you want to gripe, have a legit one. Paper launches I can understand. Not supporting the earlier Radeon X-series of cards (X8xx for example), I can also understand; they're quite recent, and I'm a bit disappointed myself by that. But complaining about the past when it isn't representative of the present just doesn't fly.
P.S. While I happen to have the three-year ATI warranty as opposed to the reduced one, I've never had to use the warranty on any of their products I've purchased (VGA Wonder 512k, Graphics Pro Turbo, on up to my current cards and a TV Wonder PCI as well). If a card doesn't die in the first year, it's not likely to die at all, unless it is pushed (i.e., overclocked). Reply
Hacp - Friday, December 16, 2005 - linkThis makes me want to get a X1300 SOOO bad. Do they make a AIW card with theater550 in it??? Reply
Rys - Friday, December 16, 2005 - linkTheather 550 has a problem (communicating with the GPU over the VIP) which stops it being used on AIW boards. Reply
Chadder007 - Friday, December 16, 2005 - linkWhat they lack in releasing of hardware on time, they come through on features, and quality drivers now. Still waiting for AGP X1000 cards.. :D Reply
Jedi2155 - Friday, December 16, 2005 - linkExcellent!! It looks like something is finally going right on the ATI side of things!!! Now if only they can get craking on making the R580 appear!!! Reply
ShadowVlican - Friday, December 16, 2005 - linkhow bout a review on the quality of the transcoded files? we all know that all encoders are not equal, that is why some mpeg2 encoders cost more than my car Reply
mongoosesRawesome - Saturday, December 17, 2005 - linkyea, i agree. speed is all well and good, but if the output sucks then why bother? Reply
JustAnAverageGuy - Friday, December 16, 2005 - link
The other item we didn't touch on that makes its appearance in the Catalyst 5.13 drivers is significantly improved video playback quality. ATI didn't have all of their Avivo ducks in a row when the X1000 series launched, but with Catalyst 5.13 they are looking to improve a number of the issues we noted in our first Avivo video quality article. We will be working on a follow-up to that piece in the near future to take a look at exactly what Catalyst 5.13 brings us in terms of video quality.
Read the article. Reply
PrinceGaz - Friday, December 16, 2005 - linkHe's talking about ENcoding quality for transcoding purposes, not playback quality.
If a test is done on MPEG2 encoding quality, I would suggest using CCE SP as the comparison encoder as it is generally considered the best available (though it is a touch expensive to purchase). Reply
tfranzese - Monday, December 19, 2005 - linkRead a different article then. AT isn't the only place to cover this (FiringSquad had some IQ coverage). Reply
Andyvan - Friday, December 16, 2005 - linkI'm wondering if you have both a cheap ATI card and an NVIDIA card installed in your computer, whether you would be allowed to run the converter.
-- Andyvan Reply
Rys - Friday, December 16, 2005 - linkYes, as long as one of the boards is an X1K, the transcoding tool will run. I currently have a GeForce 7800 GTX as my primary board, and an X1800 XL as the secondary one. The new driver, decoder and transcoding tool all run fine. Reply
synic - Friday, December 16, 2005 - linkread the article, it says X1000 or greater only Reply
Araemo - Friday, December 16, 2005 - link"we will look at other performance comparisons upon request from you all"
Just one: Compare DVD->Divx against AutoGK(Using the official Divx.com codec?) Does the ATI tool even support ripping from an actual DVD(Or decrypted DVD files) to another format? I am curious. Reply
fnord123 - Friday, December 16, 2005 - linkPlease compare against the Microsoft Windows Media Encoder (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/9ser...">http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/9ser.... A lot of Media Center Extender and XBox 360 people are using it to recode their .avi files to .wmv (Divx isn't supported by 360/MCExtenders). It is a slow process so if the ATI accelerator speeds it up they will have a bunch of buyers! Reply
Pete84 - Friday, December 16, 2005 - linkLooks like the AIW series got yet another shit in the multimedia arm. Capture video and then convert it to whichever format you desire, very nice. Reply
vijay333 - Friday, December 16, 2005 - linkyes...another "shot" indeed :) Reply
Pete84 - Friday, December 16, 2005 - linkOops, that is what happens when I rush typing :p Reply
RandomFool - Friday, December 16, 2005 - linkI'm just waiting for the more creative users to show up. :) Reply
ksherman - Friday, December 16, 2005 - linkThanks AT! you guys ROCK! I do a bit of video converting after I finish a movie project, and it seems as though this proggie might work a lot faster than the other ones I have used! Reply
ksherman - Friday, December 16, 2005 - linkone question though, if this tool is eventually released with GPU assisted recoding, is this going to be an ATI-only product, or will I be able to use it with my 7800?? Reply
Thalyn - Friday, December 16, 2005 - linkEven though it currently uses the CPU to process the transcode, the final product will depend on features present on the X1x00 series and not on the NV4x (6x00/7x00) series. Specifically, it makes use of GPGPU - a function set that allows the graphics card to process more generic code, rather than just graphics, for features such as physics or, in this case, video transcoding.
It's true that SM3 cards have been used for this purpose before (I recall an audio DSP program written to use a 6800 Ultra, since it could do the task about 5x faster than a P4 3.0e), but this time around it's been designed to work outside of DirectX - ergo, ATi only unless nVidia incorperates GPGPU at a later date.
-Jack Reply
ksherman - Friday, December 16, 2005 - linkwell, it seems I was a little too quick on the draw... doesnt work at all with nVidia cards :(... guess i really shouldnt have expected that, or just read the little two sentence sumary on the main page. alas, I am still saddened :( Reply
karoldude - Monday, June 28, 2010 - linkcool staff ,thannks for sharing.
This video converter is great , i have tried it. Reply


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ASRock 775Dual-VSTA: Does DDR2 matter?by Gary Key on 8/8/2006 6:35 AM EST
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shambf00 - Monday, December 04, 2006 - linkGary, please, how were you able to change the memory ratio?
I have DDR 400mhz on this motherboard with the E6300, however, the motherboard sees it as DDR 333mhz even after I set the speed manually.
Can you (or anyone else who knows about this) tell me where to change the memory ratio so my ram can run at it's normal speed?
lumbergeek - Friday, February 09, 2007 - linkThe only way I was able to change the memory ratio (this board with E6300, 2GB Mushkin low-latency DDR400 and an AGP ATI 1650pro) was to play around with the manual setting for RAM and FSB - the board seems to select the multiplier on it's own. If anyone knows how to adjust it manually, I'd love to know about it myself! Reply
tomppi - Thursday, August 24, 2006 - link..have had some 2-3-2-6-1 kingston memory for 2 years now (KHX3200AK2_1G)
used to be on a ASUS A7N8X-E Deluxe. only did 2.5-3-3-12-1
now with the asrockdual-vsta i can't keep it stable unless i run at ~3-3-3-12-2 (400mhz)
why can't I even come close to the speeds shown in this article :( Reply
GoatMonkey - Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - linkI have a possibly stupid question. Will this board work with only one stick of memory or do they need to be added in pairs. I have a single 1GB DDR400 stick in my Athlon XP3200 that would be nice to be able to use, but if I have to buy new memory anyway I might as well get the DDR2. Reply
Gary Key - Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - linkNo Question is Stupid. :)
However, sometimes my answers might appear that way. ;-)
The board works fine with a single stick of memory but you will be regulated to single channel operation. This places a 3%~7% performance penalty on most applications although you will need benchmarks to tell the difference in most cases. Reply
johnsonx - Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - linkPerhaps it might be worthwhile to show performance numbers for the single-channel situation in one of the upcoming articles? I'm sure many people are in similar situations. My 754 machine just has a single 1Gb DDR400 stick as well, so if I were to consider a value Core 2 cpu & board combo (of the sort Fry's may offer in the coming months) I might want to continue using that memory if it will work and not completely cripple the performance.
veryevilmike - Thursday, August 10, 2006 - linkIs the asrock 775-HDTV rev2 (using the ati xpress200 chipset) one of the budget boards on the review list? It is limited to single channel but was contemplating this as a stopgap for a few months until rd600 & co arrive, when the board would become a cheap htpc. its also one of the only uATX conroe boards available.
All up, congrats on doing such a useful 'realistic' review early on in the piece - makes a nice change from all the super-expensive stuff that is not in the picture for 99% of people. Reply
GoatMonkey - Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - linkSounds good to me. I could go with that for a while and later upgrade to the DDR2 and new video card, and a better motherboard at some point after that. An e6600 should be available for around $350 (one of these days anyway), and then this board for under $75 or so. Roughly $400 to $425 for a significant upgrade and an easy path for other components sounds good to me.
Sunrise089 - Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - linkNow after the most obvious subject line of all time, here's what I'm thinking:
I continue to be impressed with Conroe's performance, but grow more and more dissapointed with Conroe's performance scaled to price. With s939 basically any price paid could get you very near FX-57 speeds. Cheap DFI Infinity board + Cheap Opteron 144 or a lucky 3000+ = 2.6+ghz on air with a good cooler. An FX-57 might hit 3.0ghz on air if you were very lucky.
Conroe doesn't seem to work that way. Sure the top 2 or 3 processors perform the same, give or take, but the lower cache processors loose a lot of performance (much more than the above mentioed Athlons). Then, getting a cheaper motherboard really lowers maximum overclock. Then high-performance memory costs a lot more, and probably adds more performance as well. Finally really cheap parts like this totally cripple performance.
I think as more people come to relize this we will see a reality check from the community, where many on the high end will end up with awesome Conroe systems, but many others will realize with their budgets a nicely upgraded s939 X2 system with their existing servicable DDR memory and a newly discounted X1900XT will be a better overall platform dollar for dollar. This user is certainly beginning to lean that way. And heck, by the time I have to upgrade for a second time Conroe should be available with a 1066mhz FSB anyways. Reply
Paladin165 - Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - link"the lower cache processors loose a lot of performance"
Wheres your evidence for this? Hasn't it been established that the performance hit is around 3% on average? (http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?...">http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?...
Sunrise089 - Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - linkFrom the link you provided:
"The 4MB L2 cache can increase performance by as much as 10% in some situations. Such a performance improvement is definitely tangible, and as applications grow larger in their working data sets then the advantage of a larger cache will only become more visible. "
Also keep in mind a 3.5% average is much like claiming a new GPU is unnecessary because it only effect's your computing experience 10% of the time. If it's effects are highly pronoumced during those times it could still be worthwhile. The 4meg parts have a 10% inprovement in some apps and games, and that is a pretty big deal. Reply
Paladin165 - Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - linkcmon man, get real. I would never buy a new GPU if it only offered a 10% increase. Also, the big increases are in DIVX compression, itunes, content creation, etc. Most of the game benchmarks are around 1%. In fact the 5% oblivion dungeon benchmark is a little hard for me to beleive, as oblivion shows virtually no gain from extra cache in other tests (http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?...">http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?.... The only game that shows a substaintial increase is Quake at 6.7%.
The situation is in fact the opposite of a GPU. The GPU increases your performance during the "10% of the time" when it counts, during games. The extra cache on the Conroe seems to increase performance when it doesn't count.
For the record, I agree with you about AMD carrying the better budget offerings at present. Intel has only the ASrock board to offer the budget gamer, which comes with some big sacrafices (lack of overclocking, 4XPCI-E). However, I am buying this board so that I can afford a better core 2 processor (6400 or 6600), which I will put in a better budget motherboard in a few months. I figure I'm basically "renting" this motherboard for 6 months or so. So I think going with budget conroe offers a much better upgrade path. Once we have cheap boards that can overclock the 6300/6400 30-40% (which should happen in only a month or two) your argument will be obselete because the overclocked Allendales absolutely crush the X2 chips. Reply
Sunrise089 - Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - link"Once we have cheap boards that can overclock the 6300/6400 30-40% (which should happen in only a month or two) your argument will be obselete because the overclocked Allendales absolutely crush the X2 chips."
That's true, and I look forward to it. I just think AMD has spoiled me with the idea that there is very little reason to spend extra $$$ so long as I'm willing to work a bit and accept some risk. If Intel prices move a bit to make the same situation true, I will be happily enjoying my fast Conroe machine. Reply
araczynski - Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - linkwow, thanks for a great article, something actually applicable to the real world ;)
looking forward to the next parts. although I'm still going for an e6600 with a highly overclockable mobo (probably the asus pdxyzdeluxesomethingorother), its good to see things in perspective. Reply
johnsonx - Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - linkI don't normally join the ranks of the review bashers (who of course mostly come out of the woodwork when Intel is reviewed favorably against AMD), but this review seems to have a fatal flaw.
The stated purpose is to show what you do or don't gain by trading in your DDR memory when moving to a Core 2 Duo platform. The review compares DDR to DDR2 performance on the same platform, which at first glance seems reasonable. However, in the prior review of another mainboard based on the same PT880Pro chipset (the review linked at the bottom of page 3), your conclusion about that board states:
However, the performance of the board was dismal at best in our benchmarks compared to the more recent Intel and NVIDIA chipsets.
The charts in that review show that BOTH DDR and DDR2 performance was equally dismal.
Since the primary reason for purchasing this board is for DDR support, presumably no one who wants to upgrade to DDR2 would bother with it. Therefore any performance comparison of DDR to DDR2 on this board is pointless for the stated purpose of the article. It artificially cripples DDR2 performance, making DDR look quite good and even superior.
For a proper comparison, you need a reasonably priced competitor that doesn't suffer such low DDR2 performance; perhaps a P965Express board, or even a 945 board if any of those have Conroe support.
Gary Key - Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - link
The stated purpose is to show what you do or don't gain by trading in your DDR memory when moving to a Core 2 Duo platform. The review compares DDR to DDR2 performance on the same platform, which at first glance seems reasonable. However, in the prior review of another mainboard based on the same PT880Pro chipset (the review linked at the bottom of page 3), your conclusion about that board states:
Our comments were based on the performance at the time of review with an early but shipping bios revision that as it turns out had some memory timing issues. The latest bios (1.5) has altered the performance of this board to some degree although DDR2-667 performance is not where it should be. In some cases the performance differences are less than 5% now when using optimized DDR2-533 settings. While this board does not have the overclocking capability of the P965 boards we have tested to date, it still performs within reason at stock speeds.
For a proper comparison, you need a reasonably priced competitor that doesn't suffer such low DDR2 performance; perhaps a P965Express board, or even a 945 board if any of those have Conroe support.
You are correct. However, we did state (first page) that a full comparsion would be provided in our final article. While I wanted to post a P965 result in this article we had not received our "budget" P965 boards from Foxconn, Epox, ECS, or MSI yet (two are here now, other two next week). I felt like a comparison to a 965 board that will be in the $100 price range would be better than showing results against a $150~$225 P965 board. Also, ASRock had just provided a new bios update (memory compatibility) for the 945P and 945PL boards that we are still testing as of today. It appears at first glance our original memory performance issues with these boards have been solved also. It appears now that the VIA memory performance at DDR2-533 is within 5% of our better performing P965 boards. We will have a full comparison up next week and hopefully we can figure out a way to get DDR2-667 working at CAS3 in a stable manner (it works but we still have not completed a full round of testing without a failure, BF2 and Q4 seem the most sensitive to lockup but SuperPI passes, LOL).
I appreciate your comments and look forward to your thoughts on the final article. Reply
NeverGuy - Thursday, August 10, 2006 - linkIS this board basically the same as the ASUS P5VDC-X that is selling for about the same price? Would the ASUS board have CPU voltage adjustment? Reply
Gary Key - Thursday, August 10, 2006 - link
S this board basically the same as the ASUS P5VDC-X that is selling for about the same price? Would the ASUS board have CPU voltage adjustment?
Close to the same, the main difference is the Asus version does not support Core 2 Duo but does offer slightly better overclocking options. Reply
johnsonx - Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - link
along with results from other ASRock value boards featuring the Intel i865 and 945P chipsets.
Yep, I didn't see that line. You have to admit though it's buried pretty deep in that paragraph. I still think THIS article would have been far more informative with 1 other value DDR2 comparison point. But the whole picture will be clear with the final article, so I'll just look forward to that.
On a side note, I'm quite interested in this series of articles, yet I have almost zero interest in actually buying any Core 2 products for myself or for customers. Aside from the occaisional high power 3D CAD box (for running ProE usually), I travel exclusively in the budget and low-midrange market. Intel hasn't had anything compelling for me there in years, and still doesn't. I guess Core 2 info is more interesting than AM2 info, even if I'm not going to buy it.
Calin - Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - linkIn reviews here, I saw a tendency to use grand words for small feats. I won't consider the 10% this board is behind others "dismal performance" - so for very little money, you could get good performance - that is the thing every budget buyer wants. Reply
Gary Key - Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - link
In reviews here, I saw a tendency to use grand words for small feats. I won't consider the 10% this board is behind others "dismal performance" - so for very little money, you could get good performance - that is the thing every budget buyer wants.
That was overboard after reading through it again. ;-) Let's say in the future we use a different phrase. :) Reply
johnsonx - Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - linkI looked at the charts in that review. 'Dismal' was the right word. It would be one thing if ALL value boards scored 10% lower than high-end boards; then it would be wrong to call such performance 'dismal'; that would be 'value' or some other word that respects the bargain price of the board. However, when many value boards come within a percentage or two of high-end boards (at least when considering stock performance), then 'dismal' is a great word for the perfomance that board exhibited.
johnsonx - Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - linkor maybe even an NForce 4 DDR2 board:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82...">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82... Reply
johnsonx - Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - linkoh, nevermind that NForce4 board, it doesn't support Conroe anyway.
Nevertheless, my general point stands.
JarredWalton - Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - linkWe've looked at this board with high-end components, and users expressed interest in knowing more. As stated in the article, this is part one of three where we look at some interesting budget options. We've now established that DDR-400 and DDR2-533 perform acceptably on this system, for a budget configuration. Next up is a look at how the AGP and PCIe options fare, followed by a final article with comparisons to other similar boards (including an 865 and 915 model - not sure about the 945 though). 945 will require DDR2, of course, so it's in a bit different category. Reply
johnsonx - Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - link
even a 945 board if any of those have Conroe support.
Oh, here's one, and same price too:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82...">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82... Reply
Kougar - Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - linkI never asked for it, but I sure as heck was wanting this EXACT article! Thank you! I already have purchased a E6300 and this same ASrock motherboard and received both, except the corner is bady bent from shipment so I haven't dared try to power the mainboard up and am awaiting a NewEgg claim to run through. Grrrr.
The only thing this article didn't cover was my curiosity if the different types or RAM and the AGP vs PCIe graphics could possibly have any affect on the ~300FSB OC this board was able to attain in your previous article? Considering it OCs on the heels of any nForce chipset out there I think $57 is a exceptional value right now as I use a Northwood based system. My 9600XT won't handle games, but I'll at least get some serious folding@home work done... ;) Reply
artifex - Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - linkI think the question for someone looking to upgrade on a budget isn't "will I efficiently use the new motherboard and CPU with my old peripherals," but "will I see a real performance increase by keeping all my old gear except the motherboard and CPU?"
You could be using the new board efficiently when compared to DDR2, but still not see enough difference to make upgrading worth the cost. Or, alternatively, your memory could be wildly inefficent in the new architecture compared to DDR2, but the new gear still brings you a huge performance increase. It all depends on the existing gear.
Right now, I have a Socket A TBred 2600+, 1GB of Mushkin DDR-333, and a Geforce 550 8x AGP card w/256MB, all on an Asus a7n8x deluxe 2.0 (I think). So in my world, the question is, if I have only $200-250 to spend to upgrade, is it better to get the cheap mobo and a cheap CPU, or invest in more memory, or what? It's quite possible that I won't see a real performance increase with the new board and CPU for that price, so it would be pointless to upgrade. In fact, it might even make sense to go buy an eMachines or something like it offered for $200-300, with some Celeron D processor in it, instead.
Of course, this is a lot harder to gauge, not least of which because it's a lot more subjective :) Reply
Kougar - Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - linkYou should probably read through the rest of their Conroe articles then, especially the Feeding the Monster article where they have some hard numbers on this motherboard with a Core 2 Duo you were looking for. ;) Reply
AkumaX - Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - linkDid you try any overclocking (heaven forbid!)
If you did, how high did you get :D Reply
Kougar - Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - linkThey mention the OCing details in their Conroe: Feeding the Monster article. IIRC this board was about 300FSB give or take 5. Not bad, considering the nForce4 & 5 series maxes out at 320 tops! Reply
poohbear - Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - linkthanks for this great article, i hope ASrock's efforts w/ PCI-E/agp and ddr/ddr2 solutions gets noticed by some of the big dogs cause im still using my ASrock Dualsata2 and intend on keeping it for my upgrade to dualcore and hang on to it for atleast another year. After that, looks like i'll keep my DDR memory and head on over to the Core duo camp. ASrock really knows how to squeeze the life outta all your components especially since most of these "upgrades" like DDR-DDR2 and AGP-PCI-E do NOT provide ANY performance improvements. just marketing BS so these companies can sell hardware.:( Reply
Calin - Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - linkMoving from DDR to DDR2 allows you to buy cheaper components (a bit cheaper). As for AGP and PCI-E, top of the line cards are PCI-E, on AGP you can find only mainstream (maybe because PCI-E x16 gives more juice to the card than AGP can?)
poohbear - Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - linkerm, moving to ddr2 isnt cheaper if i hafta ditch my 1gb of ddr ram.;) as for the PCI-E, im taking about bandwidth wise, PCI-E hasnt offered any performance increases at all. Sure, what's available now is only high end PCI-E, but if they did make a high end 7900GTX in AGP im sure it wouldnt perform 1 fps less than the PCI-E version. AGP8x was simply never saturated enough. Reply
saiku - Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - linkYes!! I would love to know if I can bring over my AGP 6800GT and my 2 GB of Ram from my Socket 754 world to the Core 2 Duo platform. Great article !!
Anandtech, just when I thought that you had stopped caring about the "common man", here comes this great article !
Thank you for remembering those of us who don't spend 500 bucks on 2 GB of RAM !! Reply
Rike - Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - linkSecond that. Thanks, for looking out for those of us who still have some tight budgets. Reply
VooDooAddict - Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - linkWhat I find interesting is that even DDR-333 works very well on the platform.
This makes it tempting to upgrade my existing Dual Xeon 2.66 to Core 2 Duo. It's got 2 gigs of low latency (2-2-2-5) DDR-333. Reply
VooDooAddict - Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - linkAlso looking forward to the PCIe / AGP comparison. Reply
KingofL337 - Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - linkDoes this board allow for any overclocking at all? Reply
Gary Key - Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - linkYes, figure about 10~15% on average. There is not a VCore adjustment on the board and it is limited already due to design. Reply
preacherman - Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - linkWhat would be intresting would be a maybe running at least the synth benchmarks on another C2D mobo.. with the same CPU,HDD;DDR2 etc etc.
This would show us if the mobo as a whole runs at a performance handicap to others mobo or.. as I would hope.. basicly its up or near there in performance with most other C2D mobos with or without DDR2.
If that is the case then the mobo is truly very good for those of us not wanting to shell out 250e+ for 2x1Gb DDR2 when we already have 2x512Mb DDR sat in our current rigs so we could spend that money on CPU/GPU as you wrote in your atricle and maybe get DDR2 later as and when funds become available.
thanks. Reply
Gary Key - Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - link
What would be intresting would be a maybe running at least the synth benchmarks on another C2D mobo.. with the same CPU,HDD;DDR2 etc etc.
You will see this in the final comparison article. The general performance of the board is about the same as we reported in our Conroe Buying Guide. However, the 1.5 bios has improved performance in some areas. Reply
yacoub - Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - linkI am surprised how little advantage DDR2 has over DDR memory. Very interesting. Was the difference greater from SDR to DDR? I forget. Reply
Locutus465 - Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - linkI'm guessing a higher end board with a better memory controller might show DD2 in a better light. Reply
retrospooty - Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - linkThe same can be said for DDR.
MY DFI Lanparty NF4 runs my Corsair BH-5 chips at 260mhz@ 2-2-2-7 timings. DDR2@ 1000mhz@5-5-5 cant even beat that. Reply
Wesley Fink - Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - linkWe did a top-end DDR vs DDR2 on the AM2 at http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?...">http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?.... Of course, DDR2 bandwidth on the AM2 is huge, even though it doesn't always translate into real-world performance gains. Conroe is not nearly as efficient as AM2 on memory but still outperforms by a wide margin. In the AM2 article we found fast DDR400 and DDR2-533 roughly equivalent, with faster DDR2 speeds providing a bit more performance.
It appears with Conroe on a VIA chipset DDR2-533 gains more, but real-world is still in the ball park with DDR400. That may be a commentary on the VIA chipset and may not apply to Intel or nVidia or ATI. However, this VIA board is the first to allow a DDR/DDR2 comparison with Conroe.
There are other boards for Dore 2 Duo coming that will support DDR on Core 2 Duo. For the value builder, it will be interesting to see how this board compares to some of those. Reply
JarredWalton - Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - linkIn some instances DDR was quite a bit faster than SDR. I think it gave about a 10% performance boost on average, and up to 20% in a few special cases. It's also worth noting that the ASRock does offer lower performance than other high-end DDR2 boards, but the price tradeoff makes it justifiable. Reply
yyrkoon - Sunday, August 20, 2006 - linkWell, if you go by pure synthetic benchmarks, DDR is 5x faster than SDRAM most of the time. Actual application performance, may be different. Reply
Calin - Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - linkDDR was quite a bit faster than DDR - just the way it is now with DDR2 and SDR. However, in the budget side of the equation, the processors weren't starved enough for bandwidth, so the difference was very small.
I wonder what the results would have been if a faster processor would have been used.
Oh, and maybe the chipset/BIOS isn't optimized for DDR2 performance (as for DDR, all the performance that could have been squeezed in about three-four years of building chipsets was already there). Reply
Jedi2155 - Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - linkDid you mean DDR was quite a bit faster than SDR and now with DDR2 with DDR? Reply
Calin - Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - linkYep, I feel stoopid :)
Anyway, the idea is that a change in memory patterns (SDR to DDR, SDR to RDRAM, DDR to DDR2) is a battle between old very optimised technology, and new, unproven yet technology. The small difference in speed can be explained that "current" technology in processors is built for best performance with current memory - a new memory type often is not optimised for the memory access needed by the processor.
As an example, RDRAM was (just a tad) slower on Pentium !!! (compared to high performance SDRAM). Pentium4, which was bandwidth starved with single channel SDRAM, was much faster with RDRAM (dual channel though) - as much as a P4 2000 (Willamette) with SDRAM was equal to a P4 1600 with RDRAM. As speed increased, needed bandwidth increased too - but the move to dual channel DDR was the final nail in the coffin of RDRAM on PC.
The other example - Athlon64 is not bandwidth starved on current (dual channel DDR400) memory, so doubling memory bandwidth brought no advantage. The decrease in latency was not enough to bring extra performance.
The situation is mostly similar with Core2Duo - more memory bandwidth brings little advantage.
This might change for quad-core processors, as they could use twice the memory bandwidth we see now - or on the Athlon side with a more aggressive prefetching algorithm (which will eat bandwidth bringing data that seem to be useful in the near future). Reply
yacoub - Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - link"When faced with a limited budget but a desire to have the latest and greatest technology, it is usually has to cut corners"
should be "one usually has to cut corners" Reply
yacoub - Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - linkpage 2:
"...one of the widely used setups in use today." Maybe you like the extra words but you could drop the words "in use" and still be making the same point.
"The memory features average latencies at DDR2-667 but was able to perform at lower latencies in our testing while costing around $70 for a 1GB kit.
{transcend-ddr2.html}" <--- supposed to be a link or image?
JarredWalton - Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - linkBlame the sleepy editor. :|
The Transcend table was present, but the supported RAM speeds table was not. I fixed the error, as well as the other two grammar issues you pointed out. Thanks! Reply
yacoub - Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - linkhehe no problem. =) Reply


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I just finished re-reading Marguerite Wildenhain's wonderful book for the first time in 25 years. It is an amazing book full of insight and observations on her life as a potter and teacher. She was at the world famous Bauhaus in Germany before the Nazi's came to power. She escaped to California and established Pond Farm in Sonoma County where she had her studio and summer school. Many renowned and successful potters studied with her.
The book is full of her philosophy on art and pottery, the following one spoke very loudly to me and I thought it was well worth sharing:
"Some days everything seems dark, hopeless and full of negative self-criticism, for nothing, no matter how hard one tries will develop as form – but there are days when an angel seems to have touched you with his wing – life is then radiant, work flows easily out of a mysterious source that is barely of your own making, that carries you way beyond what you could make yesterday, and a beautiful piece of work is born under your trembling soul. Be grateful. It does not happen often. "
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The Radeon HD 7970 Reprise: PCIe Bandwidth, Overclocking, & The State Of Anti-Aliasingby Ryan Smith on 1/27/2012 4:30 PM EST
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dac7nco - Friday, January 27, 2012 - linkI was wondering when we'd start seeing bandwidth restrictions from 2.0 x8; Looks like Ivy Bridge will be a better than anticipated upgrade for those Z68 boards with 3.0 slots.
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OblivionLord - Friday, January 27, 2012 - linkYou'll see the limitation on the current 5970, 590, 6990, Mars2 when used on 8x and 16x 2.0. You won't see any limitation on 3.0 8x and 16x with current cards.
If I had to guess then I'd say that in 2 years the highend videocards at that time will be powerful enough to finally show a limitation on 16x 2.0 and 8x 3.0, but not 16x 3.0 Reply
dragonsqrrl - Saturday, January 28, 2012 - linkSo you'll be limited by 16x 2.0, but not 8x 3.0? How does that work exactly? Reply
Revdarian - Saturday, January 28, 2012 - linkI think, and might be mistaken, that he refers to using those dual gpu cards on multiple card solutions.
In that case, well yeah, 8x and 16x 2.0 would be halve the bandwidth of the same setup with 3.0 (this is for cuadruple gpu solutions, a niche market) Reply
Revdarian - Saturday, January 28, 2012 - link*half even... meh grammar nazi-ing my own post hehehe Reply
Termie - Friday, January 27, 2012 - linkJust as a counterpoint, Techspot just did an article on overclocking, and found that several mid-range cards hit around 15-17% overclock (and I believe this is on stock voltage). Link: http://www.techspot.com/review/486-graphics-card-o...
You may want to note that what's unique about the 7970 is not that it can get up to an 18% overclock on stock volts, but that it is a top-end card that has 18% headroom. The 6970 had nothing close to that as Techspot found, for instance, so with the more expensive 7970, the headroom should be factored into the cost equation - the price premium for top-end cards rarely come with this bonus.
As an example, the HD5850, which was introduced as a high mid-range card, typically could reach a 17% overclock at stock volts (both of mine do), and the GTX460 was similar in this regard. That's why they were such value cards. But there's nothing entirely new about this kind of overclocking headroom at stock volts - it's not reserved only for CPUs, as you suggested. Reply
Ryan Smith - Friday, January 27, 2012 - linkTo clarify things, the point I was attempting to make was in reference to high end cards - the 580, 6970, 5870, and the like. Mid-range cards have traditionally overclocked better because there's plenty of thermal and power headroom to work with, which is consistent with Techspot's findings. In any case I've slightly edited the article to clarify this point. Reply
darkswordsman17 - Friday, January 27, 2012 - linkI think people will be disappointed in the overclocking part of this article, namely that you didn't do any voltage adjustments. I think people were wanting to see where the sweet spot for voltage is (best overclock without going too high, how increased voltage affects heat and power), like you often do with CPUs.
On the flipside, I would have liked to see about undervolting. I saw someone mention that they had dropped voltage and were able to maintain clocks which cut the power consumption by a fair margin with no loss in performance. Reply
Ryan Smith - Friday, January 27, 2012 - linkConsidering that this is a reference card, I consider overclocking without voltage adjustment to be far more important. The 7970 is not an overengineered card like the 6990/5970 that was specifically built to be overvolted. It should be possible to give it some more voltage, but given the lack of design headroom in the power circuitry and the cooler, what you can achieve on stock voltage is much more important since it's all "free" performance. Reply
Termie - Saturday, January 28, 2012 - linkRyan - as usual, thanks so much for being responsive to feedback. And thanks for putting this article together - very informative. That PCIe scaling analysis will be referenced for years to come, in my opinion.
By the way, I agree that stock voltage overclocking is something worthy of being explored. It is a totally separate beast from overvolted overclocking, which not everyone has the skill or knowledge to do. The promise of higher performance and essentially no risk of hardware damage is truly a freebie, as you noted. Reply
CeriseCogburn - Saturday, June 23, 2012 - linkYep Termie, now the hyper enthusiast experts with their 7970's are noobs unable to be skilled enough to overclock...
Can you amd fans get together sometime and agree on your massive fudges once and for all - we just heard no one but the highest of all gamers and end user experts buys these cards - with the intention of overclocking the 7970 to the hilt, as the expert in them demands the most performance for the price...
We just heard MONTHS of that crap - now it's the opposite....
Suddenly, the $579.00 amd fanboy buyers can't overclock...
How about this one- add this one to the arsenal of hogwash...
" Don't void your warranty !" by overclocking even the tiniest bit..
( We know every amd fanboy will blow the crap out of their card screwing around and every tip given around the forums is how to fake out the vendor, lie, and get a free replacement after doing so ) Reply
darkswordsman17 - Tuesday, January 31, 2012 - linkFirst, sorry for this response being several days later.
Fair enough. I didn't mean it as a real criticism just more of a nitpick. I realize the state of voltage control on video cards isn't exactly stellar and I'm sure AMD/nVidia aren't keen on you doing it.
Its certainly not as robust as CPU voltage adjustment is today, which I didn't mean to confuse as I understand there's a pretty significant disparity.
I sould have expanded my on my comment a bit more.I have a hunch AMD is being pretty conservative on voltage with these (in both directions, its higher than it needs to be, but its not as high as it could fairly safely be either). Firstly, probably to play it safe with the chips from the new process, but also I think they're giving themselves some breathing room for improvement. After 40nm, they probably didn't want to go for broke right out of the gate and leave some extra that they could push to improve as needed (they have space to release a 7980; something in line with the 4890). Considering the results, its not like they really need to, especially coupled with the rumored 28nm issues.
Oh, and likewise to Termie, I do still appreciate the work and realize you can't please everyone. I liked the update and actually I think you did enough to touch on the subject in the 7950 review (namely addressing the lack of quality software management for GPUs currently). Reply
mczak - Friday, January 27, 2012 - linkThe Leo demo as mentioned in the article has been released (no idea about version):
Requires 7970 to run (not sure why exactly if it's just DirectX11/DirectCompute?). Reply
mczak - Friday, January 27, 2012 - linkActually Dave Baumann clarified it should run on other hw as well. Reply
ltcommanderdata - Friday, January 27, 2012 - linkIt seemed like we've just finished seeing most major engines like Unreal Engine 3, FROSTBITE 2.0, CryEngine 3 transition to a deferred rendering model. Is it very difficult for developers to modify their existing/previous forward renderers to incorporate the new lighting technique used in the Leo Demo? Otherwise, given the investment developers have put into deferred rendering, I'm guessing they're not looking to transitioned back to an improved forward renderer anytime soon.
On a related note, you mentioned the lack of MSAA is a common problem to DX10+. Given this improved lighting technique requires compute shaders, is it actually DX11 GPU only, ie. does it require CS5.0 or can it be implemented in CS4.x to support DX10 GPUs? According to the latest Steam survey, by far the majority of GPUs are still DX10, so game developers won't be dropping support for them for a few years. Some games do support DX11 only features like tessellation, but I presume that having to implement 2 different rendering/lighting models is a lot more work, which could hinder adoption if the technique isn't compatible with DX10 GPUs. Reply
Logsdonb - Friday, January 27, 2012 - linkNo one has tested the 7970 in a crossfire configuration under PCI 3.0. I would expect increased bandwidth to benefit the most in that environment. I realize the 7800 series will be better candidates for crossfire given price, heat, and power consumption but a test with the 7900 series would show the potential. Reply
piroroadkill - Friday, January 27, 2012 - linkI'm sorry, I might be pretty drunk, but I'm falling at the first page.
"PCIe Bandwidth..."
There's a clear difference between 8x and 16x PCIe 3.0
Even if it is small, it is there, showing some bottlenecking. If it was inside the margin of error, you'd expect they'd switch places. They didn't. There is clear bottlenecking. Reply
Concillian - Friday, January 27, 2012 - linkI saw some stuff flying around about SMAA a month or two ago... seemed promising and a better alternative to FXAA, but I haven't seen much in the "official" media outlets about it.
It'd be nice to see some analysis on SMAA vs. FXAA vs. Morphological AA in an article covering the current state of AA. Reply
Ryan Smith - Friday, January 27, 2012 - linkAs I understand it, SMAA is still a work in progress. It would be premature to comment on it at this time. Reply
tipoo - Friday, January 27, 2012 - linkIf I remember correctly, TB provides the bandwidth of a PCIe 4x connection. So if a high end card like this isn't bottlenecked with that much constraint, it sure looks good for external graphics! You'd need a separate power plug of course, but it now looks feasible. Reply
evilspoons - Friday, January 27, 2012 - linkMSI is working on that already :)
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5352/msis-gus-ii-ext... Reply
tipoo - Friday, January 27, 2012 - linkYeah, that looks sweet...Now for non-Mac laptops to get Thunderbolt. I think some Sony's already have it, but Ivy Bridge laptops for sure. Reply
repoman27 - Saturday, January 28, 2012 - linkTB controllers have a PCIe 2.0 x4 back end, but the protocol adapter can only pump at 10Gbps, so Thunderbolt devices essentially share the equivalent of 2.5 lanes of PCIe 2.0. I was hoping that PCIe 3.0 x1 performance would be tested as well, since that would show bottlenecking very similar to what could be expected from a Thunderbolt connected GPU. Reply
Torrijos - Sunday, January 29, 2012 - linkI was wondering this too...
Is there word of Thunderbolt adaptation to the evolution of PCIe technology version?
The first release being using PCIe 2, are we going to see (with Ivy Bridge) TB using PCIe 3 with more than an effective doubling of bandwidth (since they reduced overhead with PCIe 3)?
All of the sudden we would end up closer to external graphics in docking stations (or directly with large high res displays) for ultra light laptops. Reply
DanNeely - Sunday, January 29, 2012 - linkWe'd see less than a doubling of band with if TB2.0 just went from PCIe2.0 to 3.0 clocks because TB already incorporates a high efficiency encoding like 3.0 does. That's why a TB1.0 connection can carry 2.5x PCIe 2.0 lanes of data over a channel that's raw capacity is only 2 lanes wide. Reply
tynopik - Friday, January 27, 2012 - linkIf your main conclusion is that x8 3.0 is plenty for crossfire, shouldn't, you know, ACTUALLY TEST crossfire at x8 3.0? Reply
bumble12 - Friday, January 27, 2012 - linkFirst sentence on the second paragraph of the first page:
"Next week we'll be taking a look at CrossFire performance and the performance of AMD's first driver update. " Reply
Guspaz - Friday, January 27, 2012 - linkI don't really understand why dumn SSAA would be so hard to implement in a game-independent, API-independent, renderer-independent fashion. The driver can simply present a larger framebuffer to the game (say, 3840x2160 for a 1080p game) and as a final step before swapping the buffer, average the pixel values in 2x2 blocks, supersampling down to the target resolution.
I mean, this is how antialiasing used to work in the days before MSAA, and while there's a big performance penalty there, it has the virtue of working in any scenario, on any content or geometry. Reply
ItsDerekDude - Friday, January 27, 2012 - linkHere it is!
http://demo.ovh.com/download/37a53453c137425e584a1... Reply
chizow - Friday, January 27, 2012 - linkSo PCIe 4GB/s (2.0x8 or 3.0x4) is where high-end cards start dropping off and showing noticeable differences in performance. That is definitely going to be the big advantage IVB brings to the mainstream as you'll be able to get 8GB/s in an x8/x8 config with PCIe 3.0 cards.
It'd be interesting if you could do a comparison at some point on the impact of VRAM and bandwidth and PCIe bus speeds. An ideal candidate would be a card that has 2xVRAM variants like a GTX 580 or 6970 that's still fast enough to make things interesting.
Also interesting discussion on the MSAA situation. That helps explain why enabling MSAA has caused VRAM amounts to balloon incredibly in recent games, like BF3, Skyrim, Crysis etc. That extra G-buffer with all that geometry data. Is this what Nvidia was doing in the past with their AA override compatibility bits? Telling their driver to store intermediate buffers for MSAA? Also, wasn't DX10.1/11 supposed to help with this with the ability to read back the multisample depth buffer?
In any case, I for one welcome FXAA. While it does have a blurring effect, the AA it provides with virtually no loss in performance is amazing. It allows me to run much lower levels of AA (4xMSAA + 4xTSAA max, or even 2x+2x) in conjunction with FXAA to achieve better overall AA at the expense of slight blurring. MSAA+TSAA+FXAA provides similar full-scene AA results as the much more performance expensive SGSSAA for me. Reply
shin0bi272 - Friday, January 27, 2012 - linkLOL yeah cause with Nvidia's 780 coming out in a month Im gonna go blow a load of cash on a card that's only marginally faster than the 580... riiiight. Nvidia released a slide of performance for their 780 vs the 580... the 780 was more than twice as fast as the 580 in all the games they tested.... some almost 2.5X as fast. If the rumored specs are true it will have almost identical specs to the 590 only on a 28nm die in a single chip. This is why you never jump at the first offerings of a new generation of cards. Especially when, if youve been doing your research, you know both chips are being made at the same foundry and both taped out about the same time and that amd went with the lower power chips first instead of the high k metal gates like nvidia did. Now Nvidia is doing a hard launch not a paper launch the end of march. Way to jump the gun dude. Reply
mak360 - Saturday, January 28, 2012 - linkAnd then you woke up!! Reply
DanNeely - Sunday, January 29, 2012 - linkRumors are nVidia's new flagship GPU will have 1024 cores; so a slightly more than 2x speedup seems reasonable once you factor the architectural tweaks in. Reply
Sabresiberian - Saturday, January 28, 2012 - linkHe, yeah, riiiight! Reply
SAAB_340 - Saturday, January 28, 2012 - linkMicrosoft Flight Simulator X is a "game" that is limited by a 16x PCIe 2.0 bus. (when not using the buggy DX10 preview). You would easily find this when you fly low over a forest with loads of autogenerated trees. Reply
marc1000 - Saturday, January 28, 2012 - linkWhat about the 7950? And 7870? Amd wil loose momentum if it takes too long to launch new cards. Reply
Sabresiberian - Saturday, January 28, 2012 - link"For any given game the amount of data sent per frame is largely constant regardless of resolution, so we've opted to test everything at 1680x1050."
What causes the higher resolutions to require significantly more GPU power then?
;) Reply
Ryan Smith - Monday, January 30, 2012 - linkThe additional pixels that must be rendered. The setup data (triangles, textures, etc) are constant, but the actual rendering workload scales with the resolution of the image to be rendered. Reply
AstroGuardian - Sunday, January 29, 2012 - linkYesterday you scared the crap out of me when Anandtech was unavailable. I thought it was another victim of the damn SOPA and stuff....
Damn glad to see you guys again :) Reply
fausto412 - Sunday, January 29, 2012 - linkWe need focus back on driver support, bug fixing and quality. Shouldn't have to wait 3 months for proper drivers for a card you bought or for a hot new game like BF3. Reply
annnonymouscoward - Sunday, January 29, 2012 - linkThanks for measuring the PCIe bandwidth results--this is good data. If I may nitpick: please follow SI, and abbreviate seconds with "s" and volts with "V". Reply
MGSsancho - Monday, January 30, 2012 - linkThis information also makes me dreams of the unannounced xbox. Is this compatible with the current e-dram related hardware AA on the xbox360? Another question, could this possibly help a mythical gen gaming console to do more in hardware? Reply
Th-z - Monday, January 30, 2012 - linkI like the visual of the demo, surface materials, lighting, and shadows all look natural and refreshing. It has the quality of offline renderer. It's much better than most games out there today, which all surfaces look alike, overly shiny surfaces, unnatural glow, and general blurriness. I know a lot has to do with hardware limitation of consoles and developers like to use excessive post process to hide it, but the visual is getting old.
The demo shows how software (AMD's new forward rendering technique) targets a specific hardware can produces stunning results. Reply
MySchizoBuddy - Monday, March 05, 2012 - linkHow come you guys don't do stability testing. run the cards for 48 hours straight using folding@home and see what happens. Also do testing of ECC memory and how error prone the card is.
I understand the authors of anandtech hardly ever read comments section so if anyone knows how do I get my wish list to anandtech please let me know. Reply
N1bble - Tuesday, March 13, 2012 - linkI've got an Asus p5k pro motherboard with PCIe 1.0 or 1.1. (GPU-Z says 1.1, manual says simply PCI-e x16)
Does this test prove that the cards will work on PCIe 1.x or could there be other issues since PCIe 3.0 isn't fully compatible to 1.x? Reply
mudy - Monday, April 23, 2012 - link... I see that you have stated the consequences as to what happens to the PCIe lanes if you use a non-IVB processors but not, what happens if you have a pcie 2.0 compliant GPU and that too in SLI! Also an article on how the lane would be distributed under all scenarios like, pcie 2.0: Single GPU, dual/triple GPU; pcie 3.0: single/dual/triple GPUs!! Reply
Harry Lloyd - Sunday, February 24, 2013 - linkI am very excited about this new technique for calculating lighting in a forward renderer. Deferred MSAA is a disaster, and postAA gives mediocre results, so I really hope we are going to see a move back to forward rendering in the next iteration of engines, in 2-3 years. Reply


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