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Windows Phone 8 and Windows Phone 8X by HTC Previewby Brian Klug on 10/29/2012 2:10 PM EST
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kenstockwell - Monday, October 29, 2012 - linkCan't wait for you to review that phone.... Reply
Freak01 - Wednesday, October 31, 2012 - linkHello, I am also really looking forward to an in-depth review of the Nokia Lumia 920. From the looks of it it seems like the next big thing but I would really like get some more information about it. The only question that remains for me is if I should take the jump to Windows Phone. Pretty please, review the Nokia when you get the chance! Reply
Zstream - Monday, October 29, 2012 - linkNice phone :) Reply
BrianDustin - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkLove my job, since I've been bringing in $5600… I sit at home, music playing while I work in front of my new iMac that I got now that I'm making it online(Click on menu Home)
http://goo.gl/wisS6 Reply
ol1bit - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkWhat does this have to do with the review?
I like they are making fundamental core changes to the OS that were required to really compete. Still have a ways to go, but looking good! Reply
AnnihilatorX - Tuesday, November 06, 2012 - linkThat's a standard spam message that has been appearing lately Reply
cknobman - Monday, October 29, 2012 - linkI cant wait to see a full in depth review of Windows Phone 8 and both HTC and Nokia phones.
This was a good start.
Here at the office we already have a couple of Surface RT tablets floating around and they are very impressive. Reply
mantikos - Monday, October 29, 2012 - linkThere is VPN support Reply
karasaj - Monday, October 29, 2012 - linkWhen is windows phone officially released/do we have any idea when we might see real reviews?
Still so sad that the Lumia 920 is AT&T only. Is there any information on that Samsung Odyssey they talked about? Reply
noeldillabough - Monday, October 29, 2012 - linkCan't wait for the SDK!
I have to write something now...every time I talk to a Microsoft representative I always asked them "when are you opening up native development?"...now that I'm tickled pink to see Windows NT on these phones, I have to put up or shut up lol. Reply
beginner99 - Monday, October 29, 2012 - link...and that basically kills the OS. I mean most of the stuff you do on the web relies on JS performance and on mediocre hardware (ARM) and a poor browser that doesn't work that well. Reply
karasaj - Monday, October 29, 2012 - linkHow on earth is this mediocre hardware? You can't possibly be comparing WP to laptops. In that case, the A6 in the iPhone is terrible, and I can't figure out why we don't just have an ULV ivy bridge.
It's the exact same hardware in high end Android devices, and very competitive with iP5. And the non SoC stuff is arguably even better than other phones.
There will also be different browsers available I imagine. Chances are something like firefox will be released on WP. Reply
melgross - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkThe hardware in this is ok, but MIT doesn't seem great. Certainly not in performance. The iPhone beats it hands down. Reply
tipoo - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkHmm, it does look that way if you disregard Sunspider which is the outlier and probably the most optimized for, with such a fast SoC the phone only trades blows with the 4S. Reply
andrewaggb - Monday, October 29, 2012 - linkTwo things bug me about this phone.
Middle of pack battery life. That sucks. I hope another WP8 device has market leading/competitive battery life.
No SD slot and 16 gigs of storage. Personally I'd like a higher end option. Reply
cmdrdredd - Monday, October 29, 2012 - linkEven Nexus devices have no SD card. They want you to stream from the cloud using Google Music (on android) or their Xbox Music app (on WP8) and use their drop box cloud storage. Reply
hrrmph - Monday, October 29, 2012 - linkI don't want to rely solely on streaming from the cloud. Data is precious and this ain't a game of roulette.
I want reasonable quantities of onboard NAND and an mSD slot.
My Note 2 has 80GB total = 16GB onboard plus mSD 64GB.
Even my Zune has 80GB, albeit via a mechanical HDD.
My N900 has 64GB total = 32GB onboard plus mSD 32GB.
My X523 feature phone has 32GB via mSD.
Even so, 80GB of storage still seems too small. Especially if you are going to carry a good-sized collection of loss-less music and some videos, along with documents, etc.
I would really like to replace my carry-everyday feature phone with a Windows Phone.
The HTC 8X is beautiful, but 2 things are missing now from all Windows Phones: The iPhone 5 has the best holdability and screen size, so a high-end 4" Windows Phone would be great. Also, Samsung Android devices provide mSD slots, which are crucial to expanding local storage.
As for what I've already got:
The N900 is weak on software, OS functionality, and ease of use. Windows Phone would fix that.
Unlike most users who are buying the Note 2 as a phone, I actually bought the Note 2 to use as a tablet. It's to replace my Kindle Fire. I found the Kindle Fire to be too limited on functionality, and it has no GPS or telephony radios.
The Note 2 is impractical to wear, but I got it for its incredible functionality and backpackability.
Windows Phone OEMs should target getting the functionality of the Note 2 squeezed into a 4" Windows Phone with dual-micro-SIMs, 64GB NAND onboard, and an mSDXC slot, so you can crank the storage up to 128GB or better.
Geraldo8022 - Monday, October 29, 2012 - linkI absolutely agree. I am not always where the cloud is available. This phone is yesterday. I thought MS would make the phone very usb friendly for external storage, DAC, etc. Reply
darwinosx - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkNo..Google knows that SD cards on Android sucks. Reply
Taft12 - Wednesday, October 31, 2012 - linkHow does no-SD-card-on-Nexus help those of us who wanted an SD slot on this phone? Reply
mantikos - Monday, October 29, 2012 - linkYou get 25 GB free with SkyDrive so 16+25 Reply
N4g4rok - Monday, October 29, 2012 - linkThey dropped it to 7 a little while ago. Reply
mantikos - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkActually if you signed up back then, you got to keep your 25 for free Reply
Taft12 - Wednesday, October 31, 2012 - linkHurry! To the time machine! Reply
MadMan007 - Monday, October 29, 2012 - linkCool, so I can download as much of my SkyDrive data as I want without any data or billing implications? Reply
andrewaggb - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkexactly. I'd be cool be cool with cloud storage if there were no data caps. But there ARE. And if you're constantly streaming downloading from the cloud your already mediocre battery life will tank. That's crap.
Lumina 920 has twice the storage, and the Samsung ATIV has an sd slot.
It's unfortunate because on the looks and weight category I think HTC is the winner. Reply
karasaj - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkSo you're NEVER going to have access to wifi, maybe once a day even, to download from skydrive?
I'm not making an argument for excluding SD cards, but you can always download for free from skydrive any relevant music. Reply
Assimilator87 - Monday, October 29, 2012 - linkIf I hadn't read the article, I would've thought the 8X was a Lumia with an HTC logo on it. Reply
kyuu - Monday, October 29, 2012 - linkI can't understand why people keep saying this crap. It's a rectangle with colors, just the like Lumia, but otherwise the design language is quite unique and no one (who isn't brain dead) should have any trouble telling the 8X and the Lumia apart, especially in-person. Reply
mantikos - Monday, October 29, 2012 - link...If I hadn't read your full name I would have thought you were calling yourself a beast of burden Reply
maximumGPU - Monday, October 29, 2012 - linkThanks for the in depth preview Brian, it's shaping up to be quite the fight between this device and the lumia 920.
did the relatively low brightness levels cause you any concern during your time with the phone? Reply
will792 - Monday, October 29, 2012 - linkI disagree that Microsoft knows how to implement good thread scheduler. After so many years of potential time to replicate Linux/Unix/Solaris multithreading on Windows servers it is still much worse. Reply
mantikos - Monday, October 29, 2012 - linkBS Reply
darwinosx - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkLearn something about schedulers in general and Microsofts implementation then you will see how lousy it is. Reply
mantikos - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkOh ok, so because I disagree I don't know any better...gotcha Reply
Alucard291 - Monday, November 05, 2012 - linkWell your argument has been strong and well put. /s
Sorry but no it wasn't. Saying "BS" and expecting a normal reply?
Yes you don't seem to know any better. Reply
darwinosx - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkMicrosoft's thread scheduler has always sucked. Was surprised to see you say different Brian as this is well known. Reply
Zink - Monday, October 29, 2012 - linkPodcast. Sorry to bug you but no one else comes close. The Verge has great coverage of Nexus devices hands on and fancy words etc. but only you guys do podcasts that are good. Reply
softdrinkviking - Monday, October 29, 2012 - linkHi Brian,
Thanks for the run down of your few days with WP8.
Couple things I would love to hear about before the physical launch date!
How about the interface software? The biggest issue I have with WP7 has been the lack of sync support with outlook.
Also, Zune sucks. Zune software is buggy and it has abysmal file support.
And the Marketplace. What about the Marketplace confusion? Are we still supposed to jump around between xbox and live and zune accounts?
There are a lot of convoluted issues in the WP OS that need to be revised for WP8. Reply
karasaj - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkZune has been replaced by the xbox music software etc. I believe. Reply
mantikos - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkThere isn't an XBOX MUSIC s/w - it is a Windows Phone connector s/w Reply
Bob Todd - Monday, October 29, 2012 - linkI'm excited that I'm today's fictional 100,000 visitor, but you guys are getting served some annoying full page ads (with audio no less).
Can you please track these down and kill them with fire? Reply
Sabresiberian - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkThis is one reason I use NoScript on Firefox; I don't see those at all.
Anandtech really should kill these ASAP though, sleaze advertising reflects on the site, poorly.
;) Reply
Sufo - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkBah, NoScript is a pain in the ass. A decent adblock will catch it all. Reply
von Krupp - Monday, October 29, 2012 - link...has forgotten its identity. The elements that gave Metro character have been removed, such as ellipses and arrows. The same applies to Windows RT/8...it's increasingly all squares and increasingly less Metro.
I feel like Microsoft has lost sight of what the Metro design language was about: simplicity, efficiency, and intuitiveness. With Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8, they've lost the "intuitive" part. Reply
NCM - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkGlad not to be the only one who feels that way. As an established iPhone user (3G, 4, 5) I've always found the UI-formerly-known-as-Metro to be elegant and distinctive. That distinction seems to be much diminished with WP8, although it appears that its functionality remains.
But functionality isn't something that the casual buyer, which is to say most buyers, can readily appreciate when they're looking at options in the phone store. Reply
von Krupp - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkToo true. Newcomers will pick up that fancy new HTC 8X and not have any idea that there are more applications to the right because there is no arrow to bounce around and tell them there is more. I'm sure they'll discover it just by playing around, but to me that isn't enough. You shouldn't have to discover by accident how a UI works.
As a result of the above grievances, I'm not sure I want to upgrade my WP7.5 device to WP7.8 when released into the wild. Sure, I'll be missing out on some functionality, but from what I've seen the added features of 7.8 won't be enough to make up for the loss in character for the phone, and character is one of the reasons I bought it.
If I wanted pure functionality, I would have gone with Android. Reply
Dorek - Friday, November 02, 2012 - linkI agree, I won't be upgrading to 7.8 either. 7.5 was the perfect design and I'm kind of mad they caved to pressure to change it.
Don't know what kind of smartphone I'll be going with next, to be honest. Reply
Chaser - Monday, October 29, 2012 - linkI'll have to be convinced that 8 improves Windows phone to make it competitive to Android. feature wise. And Anandtech gave W7P an overrated review when it launched IMO.
darwinosx - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkAndroid is just a poor copy of iOS so it shouldn't be hard to do. Reply
Chaser - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkMaybe in your iSheep blinded fanboi eyes. Try looking at Android for 10 minutes next time before you broadcast your ignorance again. Reply
Sabresiberian - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkI have a friend in the cell phone business (so he gets to try out lots of phones), he told me "Get a Nokia 920." He likes the Windows phone much better than an Android one.
I might just do that. Then again, I might wait, because I'm still not seeing the bleeding edge phones with Windows on them. This, in my opinion, is one of the biggest factors that has held Microsoft OS phones back from the beginning. After the Win 7 phones came out there were some nice phones released, but "nice" isn't what I want, and I think I speak for a lot of people - we want the best smart phone we can get, and if it's Android then most people will buy it because it's a better phone, OS is secondary.
I mean, of all the phones I've seen reviewed here, the Note II looks like the best fit for me - but I want a Windows phone, so where does that leave me?
Still waiting, that's where.
;) Reply
karasaj - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkWell the hardware is basically identical. The best hardware out right now is the S4 (or the A6) with S4 pro just barely on the horizon and Tegra 4 months away. Windows phone has that. A lot of the flagship windows phones have their own things too. HTC has an amplifier for sound, and a never been done 2.1? (or 2.0?) MP front facing wide camera. Nokia has an insane (and also never been done except by them) 8.7MP camera that is WAY ahead of other phones. And wireless charging.
But those innovations might not mean much to you depending on how much you use your phone. I'm interested in the 8X because I skype a lot, but the Lumia sounds nice because of Nokia's apps, as well as the charging (interesting) and the camera (insanely good). They're definitely innovative, but "best hardware" is subjective. The underlying SoC is the same, but some of the software/other parts of the hardware are really what makes the difference. Reply
Dorek - Friday, November 02, 2012 - linkThe 920 is bleeding edge hardware. The camera is an evolutionary leap above other smartphone cameras. Reply
wrack - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkDoes WP8 have orientation lock setting? I hate it when the screen rotates when I am reading news on the bed lying on side. Reply
karocage - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkI thought it was interesting that you say there was a lot of debate about removing the "unused space" on WP7's home screen, because as is obvious to anyone who thinks about it for 5 seconds, that empty space allows you to see more items simultaneously than you can on WP8.
Of course, the smaller tile size means you can see more items on WP8, but WP7 layout + WP8 smaller tiles size would maximize information density. The symmetry must be purely for marketing as seemed to be implied. Too bad. Less distinctive and less functional. Reply
von Krupp - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkAlso less intuitive. There is no arrow to tell new Windows Phone users that more is to be had with a swipe to the left (or a tap on said arrow). If they wanted to better utilize that black space, they could have added charms for such items as search or settings, things that would actually get used often enough to warrant such a position.
I do not like the new Start Screen at all, let alone the overall lack of change to the UI. Too many missed opportunities. Reply
dagamer34 - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkThe arrow shows up when you scroll to the bottom. Reply
von Krupp - Wednesday, October 31, 2012 - linkIn that case, I stand corrected on the "intuitive" part regarding the home screen.
Still, I feel it lacks the character of the original.
Having put some more thought into it from the last post, I feel like a better use of the black area would have been charms representing programs running in the background...almost like the jump-lists from desktop Windows 7. Inside of an application, dragging the ellipsis would not only bring up the host of options, but the side bar as well.
Larger tiles just seems like a wasted opportunity. Almost lazily so. Reply
jamyryals - Wednesday, October 31, 2012 - linkLarger tiles? The large tile and medium tiles were both in WP7. The new tile is the small one.
The new home screen is better. Reply
von Krupp - Wednesday, October 31, 2012 - linkThe standard 1x1 tile in WP8 is larger than the standard 1x1 tile in WP7. Same goes for the 2x1. To make it worse, they didn't scale the icons inside of the tiles appropriately so now there is more unused blank space. To me, it looks off.
The functions they added are better, I'm not denying that. However, I think they missed an opportunity for real improvement in the UI. They have also wasted more space with all of that background tile than they did with WP7. Reply
Dorek - Friday, November 02, 2012 - linkI agree with everything you said. The WP8 layout is bad, to the point where I won't be upgrading my 7.5 phone to 7.8. It's less functional and less attractive.
I might grudgingly upgrade to WP8 some day, but not any time soon. Reply
KaarlisK - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - link...with the ability to plug in a monitor, keyboard and mouse and run Desktop apps... Reply
codedivine - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkDoes the browser support text reflow? Reply
TrackSmart - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkI'm all for a compact phone that uses a 4.3" high resolution screen, but the 8X is not it. The dimensions are similar to the Galaxy S3, but the S3 has 25% larger screen area. Very strange design choice. Reply
nativetexan - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkI may have missed this, but is there any support for Google apps at all? Most of my content is tied up in gmail, GDrive, calendar, etc. Will I have to start over and use only MS products to use this phone and OS? Reply
darwinosx - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkIf Google does it and Microsoft allows it. Reply
Chaser - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkIn a moment of temporary insanity I went from an SG2 to the Nokia W7P. In hindsight the app support is just not there. Feature wise the '7 phone was a major letdown. -Don't make the mistake for a second that Android is a baseline of features. W7P was way behind on features I had learned to take for granted.
I think the "metro" interface has some noteworthy features. It;s far better than the outdatesd, over simplistic IOS. If it had app support closer to Android it would have been a contender.
Obviously I can't speak for W8P but I would look it over very carefully before you commit. Reply
Dorek - Friday, November 02, 2012 - linkWhat features were you missing? Reply
Dorek - Friday, November 02, 2012 - linkGoogle Calendar and Gmail work pretty well. Google Drive I don't know about, I have a 25GB SkyDrive. Reply
The0ne - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkNow I'm even more excited. Been trying to get a Note 2 since release but reluctant to pay the high price for it. Maybe that was a good thing until WP8 phones come around. I like the design of the phone. Reply
ABR - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkSorry for the OT but could not find anywhere else to ask about this -- is Anand tech no longer providing RSS feeds on purpose? Reply
OCN's_3930k - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkYou have me torn again. Great job. Reply
iamkyle - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkAnd yet the Blackberry 10 Dev Alpha scores 92250 in BrowserMark handily beating Windows Phone 8.
I will wait for BB10 thanks. Reply
spejr - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkIm always a bit baffled when i see the battery life chart when you compare phones. The rest of the internet seems to agree that the Galaxy S3 has much better battery life than the One X, and that this is a big dissadvantage for the One X, but not in your reviews, why is that? Reply
foolsgambit11 - Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - linkShouldn't that be 5:3? Reply
Grandpa - Wednesday, October 31, 2012 - linkWhy take a chance on a Windows phone when Android phones are just fine? Doesn't make sense to me. Reply
lithium451 - Wednesday, October 31, 2012 - linkATT only (groan) and no user-replaceable battery. Reply
von Krupp - Wednesday, October 31, 2012 - linkAlso coming to T-Mobile and Verizon. The latter's version will be sporting wireless charging. Reply
Dorek - Friday, November 02, 2012 - linkSprint is the only carrier that won't have the 8X. Reply
R101 - Wednesday, October 31, 2012 - linkIs there any info on bluetooth support - does Windows 8 provide phonebook entries and call history over bluetooth or not? Reply
R101 - Wednesday, October 31, 2012 - linkWindows PHONE 8, just to be more precise.. Reply
Jorange - Wednesday, October 31, 2012 - linkJust to show I have no inbuilt bias, I currently own a Lumia 800, Nexus 7 / iPod Touch and Windows 8 & Linux PCs, in the past I've used OS X.
A dual-core S4 (good) / Adreno 225 (Average) / RAM - 1 GB (ok) 512 MB (not good enough) These specs are just about passable for a head-end phone, but the quad-core S4 Pro with Adreno 320 is a big improvement, the A6 is excellent. ARM A15 SoC like the Exynos 5250 are already on the market, although not in a phone, Tegra 4 and Exynos 5450 will launch in Q1 to Q2 2013 and will destroy a regular S4.
People may argue that WP8 is smooth, big woof so was WP7, and so is iOS and thanks to Jelly Bean so is Android. When it comes to gaming, web browsing, apart from Sunspider (cough cheat) WP8 will age quickly. There are already reports that page loading and general app opening times are more sluggish than iPhone 5 / high-end Android, which Windows Phone like to hide with transition animations, which can irk after a while.
Will all my above comments be rendered mute by a yearly Hardware update cadence? That is the big question, if not WP8 will fail to offer the high-end attractions its rival platforms will offer, such as cutting edge games / 1080p video at 60 FPS etc because of lower spec hardware. Reply
von Krupp - Wednesday, October 31, 2012 - linkOne of the biggest differences between WP7 and WP8, though, is that Microsoft built an upgrade path into the latter. WP7 was basically locked onto the launch hardware. From what I understand, WP8 can be scaled to up to 64 cores, and supports resolutions greater than 720p. I'm sure GPU and RAM improvements will be included. Reply
Dorek - Friday, November 02, 2012 - link"People may argue that WP8 is smooth, big woof so was WP7, and so is iOS and thanks to Jelly Bean so is Android. When it comes to gaming, web browsing, apart from Sunspider (cough cheat) WP8 will age quickly."
Do you only know how to read numbers, not words? Did you see the part of the review where he mentions how hardware support will be much broader for WP8? It has support for up to 64 cores. It won't age any more quickly than Android or iOS. Reply
Freak01 - Wednesday, October 31, 2012 - linkOnce again, and I'm sure there are others who would would really like to see a proper review of the new Nokia. Anand...? Reply
ex2bot - Thursday, November 01, 2012 - linkIncidentally, isn't calling Apple primarily a hardware company a wild oversimplification? Modern Apple software: OS X, iOS, iPhoto*, iMovie*, iDVD, GarageBand*, iTunes, Pages*, Numbers*, Keynote*, Safari,* QuickTime, Aperture, Final Cut Pro, Motion, Logic, DVD Studio Pro, OS X Server, Remote, Apple Store, iBooks. Not to mention the dozens of applications associated with their operating systems.
* Versions for both mobile and desktop Reply
JNo - Friday, November 02, 2012 - link"For the platform WP8 is absolutely an evolutionary step, rather than another dramatic re-imagining of Microsoft's vision for smartphones."
"At the same time WP8 feels like a dramatic update over WP7.5"
These sentences in the conclusion seem somewhat contradictory... there might be good reasons why they are not but, if any, they are not clear to me. Reply
tipoo - Saturday, November 03, 2012 - linkSince it's becoming very apparent that some browsers optimize around certain browser tests, wouldn't it be better to just have page load speed comparison benchmarks with a few well known websites, or an aggregate of a few? Reply
righteousdesigner - Saturday, November 03, 2012 - linkCan anyone tell me if TMO version of HTC 8x will be LTE futureproof like GSN2? Reply
righteousdesigner - Saturday, November 03, 2012 - linkWill TMO version of HTC 8x will be LTE futureproof like GSN2? Reply
Mitch89 - Tuesday, November 06, 2012 - linkMy biggest problem with the HTC 8X is that pokey amount of included storage. I'm quite eager to try the WP8 OS, it really does look nice to use and a change from iOS, but the lack of storage totally kills it for me.
Having 64GB on my iPhone 4S and now 5 isn't something I could give up, my phone is simply too full. I have probably 5GB of free space after music and video.
If these phones offered microSD slots that you could slip a 64GB card in, I'd consider them, but at 16GB (with a noticeable chunk taken for the OS), no thanks. Reply
roso - Thursday, November 15, 2012 - linkaccording to htc website it only has a g-sensor - that´s not a gyro-sensor!
HTC ONE X e.g. has both: g-sensor & gyro-sensor.... Reply
MichaelEvans - Monday, December 24, 2012 - linkI don't know... the plastic case, and the bright colors... get to me, and not in a good way. I just compared this to the HTC Droid DNA and the DNA is more solid. But, I need something on AT&T's 4GLTE. I am in the U.S. (New York) and need speed, most of all, for sending large graphics files. Reply
BlueInAtlanta - Sunday, December 30, 2012 - linkI've got this on AT&T at home in Atlanta and as a graphic artist the 4GLTe speed is almost mandatory for sending large files or surfing the Web for ideas. I imagine it might be the same for architects, mechanical or aerospace engineers, or anyone else who deals frequently with visuals. Reply
Amit kumar - Friday, March 22, 2013 - linkIt's really an enjoyable phone with lots of features. HTC has done a splendid job with the 8X. I got all statistics about this phone this site as well. http://www.gadtecho.com/htc-windows-phone-8x/ Reply


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Keith organized the event in response to the devastating tornadoes that ripped through Oklahoma in late May, including the storm that struck his hometown of Moore on May 20th.
The "Oklahoma Twister Relief Concert" will take place at the University of Oklahoma's Gaylord Family - Oklahoma Memorial Stadium in Norman on Saturday. Money raised through the event will go to The United Way Of Central Oklahoma May Tornado Relief Fund.
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CompuLab Intense PC System Review: Fanless Ivy Bridgeby Dustin Sklavos on 4/20/2013 12:01 AM EST
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Bob-o - Saturday, April 20, 2013 - linkHeh, it looks like the head off an old air cooled motorcycle engine. Cool. Reply
55Tan - Tuesday, December 09, 2014 - linkThe CompuLab Intense PC is far from one of the better desktop if you ask me! /55Tan from http://www.topreport.org/desktop/ Reply
colinstu - Saturday, April 20, 2013 - linkNo SSD? *thumbsdown* Terrible Reply
danjw - Saturday, April 20, 2013 - linkYou can get a bare bones version that doesn't include a drive or memory and add your own. The memory is SODIMM and drive 2.5". Reply
DanNeely - Saturday, April 20, 2013 - linkNot offering one for something targeted at industrial customers is rather disappointing. Vibrations/shocks are much more likely there and a small factory isn't likely to have someone like us to customize their systems to what they should've been shipped as. Big companies will probably want ti configured right out of the box because it makes things easier for their bean counters. Reply
Intense PC user - Saturday, April 20, 2013 - linkThere are some inaccuracies in the review:
Intense PC does support mSATA ( I guess it was added to the current revision of the machine)
I posses this machine for couple of months and using CT128M4SSD3 mSATA SSD (for OS) together with 1T Hitachi HGST 2.5" HDD ( for DATA)
Regarding to the 3517U Dell XPS - Intel claims 15% higher graphic (1.15Gz vs 1.0GHz) and ~12% higher CPU frequency (1.9GHz vs 1.7GHz) so the conclusion about ~20% lost performance isn't fair enough. Reply
Dustin Sklavos - Saturday, April 20, 2013 - linkGood lord I wish they'd made the mSATA thing clear on their site. Updating. Reply
lehtv - Saturday, April 20, 2013 - linkLittle typo in the conclusion title: it's -> its Reply
KaarlisK - Saturday, April 20, 2013 - linkThe 3470T is a dual core :) Reply
Laststop311 - Saturday, April 20, 2013 - linkThe barebones ones are pretty frickin cool. Got lotsa Ram and HDD's lying around. The problem is I wish they had a little more cpu range offered. You either have to get the crappiest celeron for 400 or a top end i7 for 800. Wish I could get a middle i5 version barebones for 600. That would be perfect for an HTPC. But I would hold off and get it with Haswell chips. They will have the configurable TDP that will run with even less power than these 17 watt ivys with equal or even higher performance. Less power = less heat to dissipate = heatsink can be shrunk making it lighter and even smaller (potentially) or the same size with more thermal headroom for permanent turbo mode. Plus Haswell has greatly enhanced GPU the gt3e igp on haswell is a large jump in performance compared to ivy hd 4000 even has its own dedicated memory directly on die with it all for the graphics side of the chip. Obviously it won't be enough memory to hold everything like dedicated gpus with 4GB of memory I think its estimated to be on 128MB of on die memory for the IGP but intel probably has smart ways of putting the most used most important stuff on that directly connected memory. Reply
HisDivineOrder - Sunday, April 21, 2013 - linkCompletely agree. Reply
Death666Angel - Monday, April 22, 2013 - linkI don't see the appeal of this thing for the normal consumer. In a business world where any moving part is a pain because of increased failure, downtime and service hours, I can see a completely fanless enclosure being great and paying a premium for it. For the consumer who wants a quiet HTPC, there are much better enclosures that offer silent fan configurations at better prices and more range in performance. :) I have a slightly modded mITX case where the top-blower CPU heatsink/fan draws cool air from the outside and pushes it out through the 2 sides. I don't hear anything.
Don't get me wrong, this thing is cool, but I don't think it is worth the price for consumers unless you have a tiny room. :D Reply
mgc8 - Saturday, April 20, 2013 - linkI had a previous version of one of these (the FitPC2) and while small and quiet, it suffered from terrible heat problems -- it basically had to be rebooted once a day since it was locking up hard. As the intended purpose of the device was to serve as a router/gateway, needless to say it had to be replaced with another product. I would've appreciated a more thorough investigation of this device's resilience in 24/7 operation under high network load, as that is one of the most obvious use cases. Reply
Intense PC user - Saturday, April 20, 2013 - linkI guess Phoronix uses this model for more than half year as basis for Intel HD 4000 "Ivy Bridge" benchmarks:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&... Reply
HellDiver - Saturday, April 20, 2013 - linkSo is this just a NUC board in a custom case? Specs seem terribly similar. Reply
cjs150 - Monday, April 22, 2013 - linkAt moment NUC is an i3 processor not an i7 (although I believe an i5 version is coming out shortly). From experience the i3 runs a bit too hot at idle for my liking (around 50C) unless you ramp up the fan when it becomes a bit too noisy.
There are very few applications where a completely silent computer is needed (HTPC being the obvious one) I have a completely silent computer which can be run 24/7 but I always worry about heat for the memory Reply
zepi - Saturday, April 20, 2013 - linkHow about a comparison with Intel DQ77KB + Akasa Euler?
We can just hope that Intel releases similar packages for Haswell later this year. Reply
danjw - Saturday, April 20, 2013 - linkWith Haswell release only 43 days out, I don't see why anyone would be releasing and Ivy Bridge product now. It just doesn't make any sense to me. Reply
kyuu - Sunday, April 21, 2013 - linkJust because Haswell is getting "launched" in 43 days doesn't mean you'll see products shipping with it immediately after. I'm guessing Haswell will probably be in short supply at first. Reply
ViewRoyal - Saturday, April 20, 2013 - linkSo this CompuLab PC is:
- about the same size as the quad-core Intel Core i7 Mac mini,
- but it weighs more than the quad-core Intel Core i7 Mac mini,
- has less connectivity than the Mac mini,
- has a much less powerful processor than the Mac mini's quad-core Intel Core i7,
- has less storage than the quad-core Intel Core i7 Mac mini,
- and it costs MUCH more than the quad-core Intel Core i7 Mac mini.
On top of that, the CompuLab PC can only run Windows and Linux... the Mac mini can run OS X, and Windows, and Linux.
Why would anyone want buy this black lump??? Reply
A5 - Saturday, April 20, 2013 - linkThe Mac Mini will destroy itself if the fan fails or clogs. Like the article repeatedly says, you already know if this kind of thing is what you need. Reply
Greg512 - Saturday, April 20, 2013 - linkI am not sure if you are trolling or not, but this pc does not have fans, unlike the Mac. You wouldn't buy this unless you had a specific usage case in mind that required a fan-less computer. Reply
ViewRoyal - Sunday, April 21, 2013 - linkIn answer to A5 and Greg512:
No, I am not trolling... unless making a logical comparison is "trolling" to you. Yes the Mac mini does have a fan, but it rarely turns on since the solid aluminum enclosure acts as an excellent heat sync.
The only time I've noticed the fan of a Mac mini turning on, was if the computer was in an excessively hot environment (for example in the hot sun by a window) or if the vents are covered. When the fan does come on, it is incredibly silent... and I've never heard of the Mac mini fan "clogging".
There is a benefit to having a similarly small computer with a backup fan, which only turns on when conditions require it. The CompuLab Intense PC is hindered by relying entirely on its case design, and not having a fan to kick in when external conditions are too hot. Reply
kyuu - Sunday, April 21, 2013 - linkYou obviously don't understand the intended application of this device (despite the article repeatedly stating it). This is for industrial applications, not your house.
Please, do go ahead and put a Mac Mini in an industrial environment and let us know how that goes. Reply
seanleeforever - Monday, April 22, 2013 - linkyes you are trolling. unintentionally at the very least.
this product, again, is not for home use. i assume you never use your computer other than home/office environment so i am not going to say harsh things to this comment.
let's assume, if you want to have a log server on a air plane. your example of mac min will fail in no time. 1st. hot sun by a window is by no means a HOT temperature... anything industrial grade needs to go from -40 to 85. 2nd. environmentally sealed is a big thing. the fact that this guy is essentially in a seal box could potentially provide MIL spec 810, which is extremely desirable in a lot of places. Reply
andymcca - Saturday, April 20, 2013 - link? Most mfr environments are on concrete slab w rubber padding under each station/unit. What use case are you referring to which involves outside of 2.5" disk tolerances (most of which are designed for laptop use)? Reply
andymcca - Saturday, April 20, 2013 - link? Most mfr environments are on concrete slab w rubber padding under each station/unit. What use case are you referring to which involves outside of 2.5" disk tolerances (most of which are designed for laptop use)? Reply
andymcca - Saturday, April 20, 2013 - linkappears anandtech can't handle replies w/o insecure browsing features (java).... Reply
NCAM - Sunday, April 21, 2013 - linkAnandtech does not require Java.
(Sent from my Java-free iPad.) Reply
SteelCity1981 - Sunday, April 21, 2013 - linkfor that much and it doesn't ship with a 256 or even a 128 SSD? yeah that's more then a bitter pill to swallow. Reply
sylvez - Sunday, April 21, 2013 - linkThey should make it watertight at the back so u can dip it into a shallow pail of water Reply
fteoath64 - Sunday, April 21, 2013 - linkGreat board with excellent ports layout and diversity but design-wise, why could they not make a copper based convection fins with heat-pipes going from CPU/chipset to the back of the metal casing. It would give this a wickedly stylish look rather than cylinder head block look and surface temperatures so high, it becomes hard to touch!. Some minor design changes can make this a great device for many uses ... Reply
crashtech - Sunday, April 21, 2013 - linkTaller/more fins might have helped. You'd think a design aimed at industrial applications would put functionality over aesthetics. Reply
Souka - Sunday, April 21, 2013 - linkOne thing missing in the design... a cutout for my coffee cup!
if it had that, I'd get one.
Co-worker: "Hey, that's a really spiffy looking cup warmer!"
me: "Yep... and it's also my computer!"
me: "Dang, coffee isn't warm enough... time to run some SETI for a few mins"
:) Reply
Death666Angel - Monday, April 22, 2013 - link+1! :D Reply
coolhund - Monday, April 22, 2013 - linkThe biggest problem I have with those small barebones is always the lack of enough USB ports.
I need at least 10, more like 12 and an USB Hub is not an option because of bandwidth and stability issues. Reply
Solandri - Monday, April 22, 2013 - linkIf you still have the review unit, see if the exterior temps get too hot to touch with a low-power fan blowing over it. Yes I know it defeats the purpose of a fanless system, but I ran into the same thing while recovering files from dismounted hard drives. If I ran them just sitting there, they got over 50 C within a half hour and stopped working (one hit 60 C according to its SMART log and has never been the same since).
I bought a HDD cage to mount them in which came with I'm guessing a 500-700 RPM fan. It's dead silent, and you can barely feel any airflow even if you put your hand right next to it. But apparently that tiny bit of airflow is enough to keep the drives below 40 C.
So I'm guessing you don't actually need much forced airflow over this to keep the exterior temps at a comfortable level. If you can mount it somewhere where it gets that airflow naturally, whether from an open window or a HVAC vent, the exterior temperature may be much cooler. Reply
Googer - Monday, April 22, 2013 - linkSeveral companies are selling this same exact kit.
http://www.tinygreenpc.com/ Reply
CalaverasGrande - Monday, April 22, 2013 - linkWho else want's to mount one in their car? Reply
ZoeAnderson24 - Monday, April 22, 2013 - linkSebastian. I can see what your saying... Ronald`s remark is surprising... last saturday I got a new Jaguar XJ from making $8967 this-last/4 weeks and over $10 thousand lass month. with-out any doubt it's the nicest-job I have ever done. I began this three months/ago and almost immediately began to bring home over $72 per-hr. I use the details here, All29.comTAKE A LOOK Reply
rvdbos - Monday, April 22, 2013 - linkThey should have borrowed a page on design from Apple. This dust collector is UGLY. Reply
iratethep - Tuesday, April 23, 2013 - linkIt makes no sense that the standard is not SSD, isntead of a harddisk. Reply
Wwhat - Wednesday, May 08, 2013 - linkCan't believe he didn't fix it. And that while you pointed it out long ago and it's on top of the comments. Reply


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