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The Clarkdale Review: Intel's Core i5 661, i3 540 & i3 530by Anand Lal Shimpi on 1/4/2010 12:00 AM EST
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SydneyBlue120d - Tuesday, February 09, 2010 - linkThe Intel G9650 doesn't exist, what You're referring is Intel G6950
http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=43230">http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=43230 Reply
puterfx - Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - linkI've been building systems since the late 90's, mostly for others, and I'm always the last to get a decent system so I decided it was about time for me. I'm running an e6600 on a 3 yr old Intel board w/ 2g of DDR2 RAM and was wondering about the differences between C 2 quad, i3-540, i5-750 or i7-820. I priced out 3 different setups with Gigabyte boards (EP45, H57 & P55 - USB3 ver.) combined with Q8400/9300/9400 on EP45, i3-540,i5-750 and i7-820 on the H57 & P55 and 4 Gb DDR3 RAM (Crucial, Geil, Kingston)so , basically, I had 9 combinations. Excluding the i7, the price range for these builds was about $429 - $487, and I could probably do better if I tried but I was amazed that they were that close (the i7 adds another $100 but not that much improvement in performance that I can see).
Looking at your charts, I think I can justify going with the i5-750. I have a decent video card for the occassional gaming that works pretty good for me now (I'll apply the $100 from above to a better card later) but I do a lot of spreadsheets and some photoshop and autocad so I think I'll see a better improvement there.
Thanks again for all your articles. Very well written, understandable and thorough. Reply
KingAlexander - Saturday, January 30, 2010 - linkI too am puzzled by the i7 870 scoring so low on the World of Warcraft chart -- it stood out to me immediately when I first read the article. I was a little surprised to not see it mentioned.
It was suggested in another comment that this was due to the game having an issue with hyperthreading, but if that was the case shouldn't the i7 920 also have scored significantly lower than it did? Reply
Bloodx - Monday, January 25, 2010 - linkIt should be noted that this new intel system does not work
at 1080p/24 correct. The nvidia 9400 chipset works at 1080p/24.
So i've traded audio for skipping.
HTPC is no better off. Sad. Reply
geok1ng - Sunday, January 10, 2010 - linkPrevious Intel IGPs managed achieve less terrible numbers in game by cheating- they didn't render all the polygons and textures. So for good measure i require side by side screenshots of the "new, better, faster and cheaper" Intel IGP.
The idea of an Intel IGP that simply isn't horrible is SOO strange that a true review would have to go the race: benchmarks, screenshots, minimum playable settings for various games and screenshots. Something the articles on HardOCP. Reply
snakyjake - Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - linkWhy isn't the i7-860 tested in the section "Windows 7 Application Performance"?
Without the i7-860 in the Windows 7 test section, this review is pointless.
NeBlackCat - Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - linkI was hoping to build a new always-on home server around one of these. Power miserly IGP and idle operation (for when it's only firewalling and routing) but plenty of grunt in reserve for occasional video encoding, compiling and running virtual machines.
Looks like they missed the mark for this application, and I couldn't even adopt now and wait for the real deal CPU later, as the socket is a dead end.
IMHO only the HTPC crowd have a reason to be excited here, but there are lots of other (cheaper) ways to get low power 1080p too. Reply
ruetheday - Friday, January 08, 2010 - linkLet's wait and see - There are products coming which will do gpu assisted transcoding that might shift things in Clarkdale's favor. Reply
bongbong - Tuesday, January 05, 2010 - linkI know for a fact that the athlon II x3s and x4s have to overclock like crazy in games to reach the same performance delta as their phenom II x3 and x4 brethren
(coz of the 6mb cache and many games are dependent on cache)
Ive seen gaming benchmarks on anandtech where the x3 720 matched the x4 965 when they are both overclocked to 3.8ghz.
I was able to buy an x3 720 for only a 110 usd recently.
So why isnt it in the benchmark comparisons?
JohnMD1022 - Tuesday, January 05, 2010 - link$150 from microcenter. Reply
Paladin1211 - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkOn page 13, in WoW benchmark, the Core i5 750 outperforms the Core i7 870 by more than 30% (92.3 fps vs 70.6 fps). Anything wrong here? Reply
Crimson67 - Tuesday, January 05, 2010 - linkWoW doesn't seem to like hyperthreading, it's the only explanation Reply
ereavis - Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - linkis it using the hyperthread core on the 870 but a true core on the 750? That would certainly slow it down. If it's using a true core on both it should be better still. Reply
Dyzios - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkRemember NVIDIA Hybrid idea, to have two GPUs ? - one weak for 2D/light 3D graphics and powerful discrete GPU for gaming? Those CPU makes sense for this approach - however Radeon 5870 also has good point with optimized low idle power consumption. Maybe still there is point as even Radeon cannot go very low as GPU on-die. The only question is to have capability to switch HDMI output between on-die GPU and discrete.I wonder how this works currently - still needed to stick to DVI output from Radeon or can be combined? Reply
Zool - Tuesday, January 05, 2010 - linkIf the 40nm 5600 series cards will show the same improvments in power usage than the 5800 series than u can forget the intels GMA graphic.
I think that for a 2D card/3D discret card u can buy a mobo with a dirty cheap intel GMA on it clocked much lower if u realy need. Reply
silverblue - Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - linkThe graphics comparison isn't exactly fair but in the end, it's not something AMD should be too worried about. The i5-661, with its 900MHz 45nm GPU, is being compared to the old 790GX's HD 3300 which operates at 700MHz on a 55nm process. I admit, in the benchmarks we're talking the best i5 vs. the best AMD has to offer, but considering...
a) the relative performance of the i5-750 as compared to the PII X4 965 which is usually manifested as an advantage
b) the fact that the 32nm i5s can increase their core speed by 133MHz and 266MHz thanks to Turbo depending on the number of active cores
c) most games still aren't designed to take full advantage of multithreading so four cores may not yield a tangible performance increase
...then AMD's still in the lead for IGPs. If the 3300 had been clocked at 900MHz, would it have lost even one of the listed benchmarks? I'm not sure it would have. What's more, we're still talking a 55nm part; we all know of TSMC's issues with the 40nm process and AMD going fablress, so is it unreasonable to expect that AMD could move their IGP production en masse to 40nm with TSMC or 45nm with GlobalFoundries?
In closing, it's a big step forward for Intel, however if AMD came out with a higher clocked 40/45nm IGP then, Sideport or not, new tech or not, AMD would be far ahead, at least on gaming terms. Sideport does very little for the performance of current AMD IGPs, anyway.
I just wish AMD were able to release a Clarkdale competitor sooner rather than later. Reply
ruetheday - Friday, January 08, 2010 - linkthe IGP on Clarkdale isn't maxed out at 900Mhz; It too can be overclocked significantly. Here's an article on techgage showing an OC to 1133, for example.
Remember that Intel is very conservative on binning parts to ensure no issues with reliability over time (compare vs nvidia mobile gpus). Reply
silverblue - Friday, January 08, 2010 - linkMaybe so, however a 40/45nm AMD part could reach similar clockspeeds. I just don't think that, clock for clock, the new Intel IGP on the Clarkdale die is as powerful as anything AMD or nVidia can produce on the same scale. It's a good step forwards, just not the leadership that some may have been expecting. Reply
silverblue - Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - linkSlight mistake... second best 32nm i5 that Intel has to offer. However, I doubt the performance increase over the 661 will be very noticable with the IGP; won't it be clocked the same in both? Reply
Zool - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkThe irony is the biggest drawback of these cpu-s is the 45nm intel graphic on other die with the memmory controler. The die savings from 45nm vs 32nm are quite big.
If they would make just 32nm dual core nehalem with memory controler on die it would be still much smaller(and only litle bigger than the clarkdale without imc) than the GMA die with memmory controler.
The whole thing would be solved with everything as one on 32nm.
I think plenty of people just wait for 32nm quad core nehalems without the useless GMA graphic.
Actualy what is the cost of dirty cheap GMA in penryn based 3 package boards. Like 5-10 dolars ?
rainman1986 - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkI'm puzzled by the results for this cpu, I'd have thought it would be close to the 920, but it was much slower than the i3 and i5.
Did I miss something? Reply
rainman1986 - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkSorry, not the 860, the 870 was slower (but the 860 would have been just a little slower than that!)
Still, what gives? Reply
deruberhanyok - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkPossible responses:
"I had no idea it had a retro mode!"
"So these processors can run Ultima IX acceptably then?"
"My eyes! The goggles, they do nothing!"
"Intel HD graphics: bringing extreme video quality to 2001's hottest titles!"
And so on. Reply
vol7ron - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkThe Clarkdale Unencrypted score is shown, could you also display the Lynnfield Unencrypted score.
To use the unencrypted Clarkdale as the control for Lynnfield doesn't seem right since there are differences between the two procs. It would make more sense to compare
[Lynnfield Encrypted Score]/[Lynnfield Unencrypted Score] to [Clarkdale Encrypted Score]/[Clarkdale Unencrypted Score]
vol7ron Reply
SydneyBlue120d - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkThanks a lot for the great review!
When You'll be back from CES, I'd like to see a test of:
- Pentium G9650 (the great absent for the corporate/office world);
- Flash 10.1 and BR/MKV HTCP with integrated gfx;
Thanks a lot :-) Reply
SydneyBlue120d - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkForgot to ask:
Is the integrated gfx DX 10 or 10.1? Will it support Direct2D?
Thanks Reply
ruetheday - Friday, January 08, 2010 - linkyes to DX10 and Direct2D Reply
vol7ron - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkRaja,
Good article. I like how you re-addressed topics that you originally discussed on the opening page, with a more concise statement on the pages that followed. For instance, when talking about the memory on/off die. You gave a decent bit of info on page 1 and then a quick rememberance on page 2.
--- More will come once I finish reading the artice :) ---
vol7ron Reply
Rajinder Gill - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkCredit goes to Anand for this piece. I only chimed in on the OC side. :)
vol7ron - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkI noticed something fishy when it said thanks to Raja for the Mobo suggestion. I guess the article's author threw me off :)
Great collaboration, regardless. Reply
Jamahl - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkIf this is a sign of things to come from intels 32nm, AMD must be laughing their asses off.
Every one of these cpu's is an overpriced piece of garbage. Reply
ereavis - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkPhenom II X2 550 should be on this list, it's the direct competitor to the i3 -- dual core with real cache. It beats the Athlon II X4 processors and the Athlon II X2 don't even belong. Reply
ereavis - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkblasted no edit function. The 550 is also about the same price point.
Guess I didn't combine criticism with the fact that this review was exactly what I've been waiting for and very well written, I like the added IGP page as I'm sitting on a 785 IGP while discrete cards are in between releases. All of which may get passed on to my mom's dying Sempron if an I3 deal pops up.
Also minor correction, the Phenom II 925 is an X4. Where are the release dates? Reply
SilentSin - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkI second your question to Intel about the pricing of the 32nm i5 chips...who the hell is going to buy that? The i3's are looking pretty sweet as an alternative to an AMD HTPC platform at that low price point, though. March should make for an interesting competition once AMD launches their new RD890G (4350 based) chipsets. I'm guessing those will thoroughly trounce the GMA part on these chips as well as having quite a few features that the Intel HD stuff can't do, but at least Intel put something up that isn't completely laughable for once. Reply
Cogman - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkx264 is NOT a codec. Let me repeat that, x264 is NOT a codec. It is an ENCODER. The video output from x264 is in the H.264 standard (or codec if you like).
Saying that x264 is an alternative to H.264 is retarded. It isn't an alternative, it USES the H.264 standard. Its like trying to say that mySQL is an alternative to the Ansi SQL standard. It isn't an alternative, it is an implementation of it. Reply
puffpio - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkhahaha..that always gets on my nerves too!
but you can take it as a compliment that x264's popularity is strong enough that people mistake it for h264..
people make the same mistake with divx, kleenex, qtip, xerox, etc... Reply
Anand Lal Shimpi - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkMy apologies for sounding like a fool :-) I've updated the text. I just meant that it was an alternative to closed source H.264 encoders but my phrasing was absolutely horrendous for that purpose.
Thanks for pointing out the error :)
Take care,
Anand Reply
proneax - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkI would like to see you measure the power consumption on the DH55TC using the integrated graphics.
Legitreviews shows Idle/Load of 49/99W for the 661 in that setup. Reply
Anand Lal Shimpi - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkAgreed - I'll do it as soon as I'm back in the office. Just gotta survive CES :)
Take care,
Anand Reply
medi01 - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkDual core 3.3Ghz CPU + Radeon 5870 consuming only 110 watt at load??? Reply
Marcin - Monday, January 04, 2010 - link2D load Reply
Anand Lal Shimpi - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkThe Radeon HD 5870 is quite power efficient if it's not running a 3D app. Our load tests were done using our x264 encoding benchmark to stress the CPU. That's why I used the 5870 as a companion in those benchmarks - makes overall system power consumption lower so we can better see differences between CPUs. Good job AMD :)
Take care,
Anand Reply
yacoub - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkIntel gives us this crap instead of 32nm P55. Reply
DrMrLordX - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkCan we see results on an i3 530 instead? Some people with ES chips are reporting that i3s are not good for much of anything over 4 ghz. Also, the vcore on your 4.8 ghz is pretty high, even with water cooling. I would not want to run an i3 at that vcore on a daily basis.
The phase results are really interesting, but I have to wonder how well this chip scales given the memory speed limitations you run into at higher BCLK. Reply
Spoelie - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkFirst CPU-Z screenshot on the overclocking page shows CPU @ 1.3GHz, I don't think this is the correct shot? Reply
Rajinder Gill - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkSpeedstep and Turbo enbaled. The full load speed is 26X149 BCLK, so around 3874MHz.. Reply
Spoelie - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkTrue, comment on gaming benchmarks:
" the Core i3s are good gaming chips - especially when you consider how far you can overclock them. "
But how would you know, not having any in-house? Reply
Anand Lal Shimpi - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkI've heard some very good initial results but I will be able to confirm when I get back from CES :)
Take care,
Anand Reply
marc1000 - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkSuddenly it all makes sense. Intel would never enable 1080p decoding on Atom D510 not because of technical issues, but simply because it would kill the market for i3 even before it was released. The HTPC market does not need the i3 brute-power, but this is the only platform that will have HDMI and 1080p. If Atom D510 could do 1080p and had HDMI output then the choice for a HTPC would be a no-brainer. And excuse me, but I already have a gaming rig, so all I want right now is a HTPC to play PC content on my TV. And I won't buy a core i3 to do that, but I would buy a decent Atom board if it had the required HDMI and 1080p... so, for me, no HTPC for now... Reply
Kjella - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkThat is why the old Atom + ION exists, excellent setup with 1080p acceleration and HDMI out. If you don't want it, wait until AMD or VIA/nVidia manages to work something out. Reply
marc1000 - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkIndeed, I want an Atom+ION, but it has not yet come to public availability in Brazil. And Intel is killing ION with the new Atoms, so I believe I won't ever see a Atom+ION board here, because the stores will only launch only the "newer" Atom boards (that is, IF they even launch it...) Reply
efficientD - Saturday, January 09, 2010 - linkThe other problem with and atom setup is the low cost no L3 cache Athalons. With a decent 785G mainboard, you can get much better performance in only a slightly bigger package for about the same HTPC money. That is the direction I would go if I could build an HTPC right now. Reply
IntelUser2000 - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkThe reason for high idle and in some way, high load power is due to the Asus board. Not only that, but the H57 chipset.
The Intel H55 mobo will lower power consumption enough to get it below the i5 750 and i7 860. Reply
Kaleid - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkWould these be chips on would dare to overclock considering the foxconn socket problems that has been reported here @ anandtech? Reply
Zool - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkIts quite confusing now, with 9 desktop and 11 mobile i-xxx cores now. Not a single digit shows core numbers or the gpu on the new 32nm cpus.
Actualy its a total mess now for a average user. Reply
marc1000 - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkI second your opinion!!! Perhaps Intel hired some marketing folks from Nvidia!!! =D Reply
Harry Lloyd - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkSo which chip is responsible for HDMI Audio - the CPU, or the H5x chipset?
Can we get HDMI audio support with a Lynnfield CPU?
And one other thing - I assume we can use HDMI audio without haeving to use the integrated GPU (for display) when we have a PCI-E card?
DigitalFreak - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkThe GPU on the processor. Reply
Alberto - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkThe main problem is the Motherboard, likely an early sample not much optimized. Both Xbit Lab and The Tech Report have found a lower idle system power consumption in the new Intel plataform versus the Lynnfield solution. Maybe This article needs of a fast update :-) Reply
Alberto - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkThe italian site www.hwupgrade.it have discovered even better results. Over an Intel DH55TC motherboard this new cpu is IMPRESSIVE at idle.
Intel seems right again. Reply
Anand Lal Shimpi - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkYou're very right, it appears to be a side effect of the ASUS H57 board looking at everyone else's results. I'm out in Vegas at CES now but I'll run some numbers on Intel's H55 when I return this weekend.
Take care,
Anand Reply
plonk420 - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkthis power consumption is a bit weird... i've actually done the same test
pc power & cooling 750 watt
i7-920, ex58-ud3r, 3x1 DDR3, hd5870, 2 hdds, 3 fans, HT on
default voltage: 215 watts in p95 (122 watts idle, no powersave mode)
undervolted 1.125v: 187 watts in p95 (121 watts idle, no powersave mode)
default, 8600GT: 211 watts in p95 (116 watts idle, no powersave mode), 184 watts on "sane load" (distributed computing)
1.125v, 8600GT: 183 watts in p95 (115 watts idle, no powersave mode), 164 watts on "sane load" (distributed computing)
i7-860, ex-p55m-ud2, 4x1 DDR3, 5870, 2 hdds, 2 fans, HT on
default voltage: (either i lost results, or i never tested them)
undervolted 1.025v: 167 watts p95 (107 watts idle, 101 watts in power saver), 149 watts on enigma@home (8 instances) Reply
Spoelie - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkThe Load Power Consumption on page 4 also raises questions.
The Phenom system rises 90w to decode a x264 movie, while the clarkdale system only rises 20w. It seems to me that the clarkdale system had DXVA support on while the Phenom system had it off..
Can someone check/confirm this? Reply
Anand Lal Shimpi - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkI was caught off guard by it too but DXVA was enabled. I'm currently out in Vegas for CES but when I return I'll give it another look in our Core i3 review. I've had issues with power consumption being stuck at unusually high levels on AMD boards in the past, but I couldn't get this one to shake in time.
Take care,
Anand Reply
MrAwax - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkHD Codec bitstreaming has been added in HDMI 1.3 specs at the receiver manufacturer request for no reason except that they did want to lose their market.
Since HD codecs are LOSSLESS, decoding them in the player or in the receiver makes NO difference. And HDMI supports streaming of 8 uncompressed channels in LPCM @192kHz/24b since 1.0. So digitally, there is ZERO POINT ZERO difference. This is the reason it is useless. And this is the reason HDMI added 8 channels of high resolution audio so you won't need to upgrade your receiver !
And this is stupid because bitstreaming is a LIMITATION of feature, not an added feature. BluRay norm supports in player audio mixing. A lot of discs are already supporting it. The player can mix sounds live on the main soundtrack. This is useful for adding dynamic menu sounds or director/actor commentary. In theory, the disc could even have a single music/fx soundtrack and dynamically mix voice to support multiple langage and save space on disc (voice is generally stereo, is not always present and reencoding every time the music/fx is a waste of storage). With HDMI bitstreaming, you can stream the main track only. Gone is the menu fx sound, gone is the bonus commentary and gone is the voice.
Welcome to receiver manufacturer lobbying for USELESS and STUPID feature.
PS: on the contrary, 8 channels hires LPCM is a great feature. Reply
salacious - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkBitstreaming does have the disadvantages of loosing audio track mixing but it does offer something.
If the decoding is done in the PC were are relying it to not to downsample to 48kHz/16bit which happens unless you have the correct combination of player and audio card. If the decoding is done in the PC you are relying that it decodes to the correct speaker and I have found that with a 7.1 speaker setups this is a complete mess.
Also if you want to apply any receiver effects to the audio then over HDMI you tend to be limited. If the movie is 5.1 and it is EX encoded and you have a 6.1/7.1 speaker setup, then the usual solution is to apply this processing in the receiver but if you set your PC to 7.1 then it sends 2 blank audio channels and you can't apply EX processing. You have the same problem is you play back a surround encoded stereo track on a 5.1 speaker system, all that happens is that the audio is output from the left/right speakers and you are unable to apply pro-logic decoding to it.
A solution would be for the PC to offer Pro-logic IIx and other types of decoding but as they don't then you need the receivers to do it which means bitsreaming. Reply
FlyTexas - Monday, January 04, 2010 - link...Is this really needed?
Ok, so more speed is good, I wouldn't turn it down... ...however anyone who uses computers in the office environment knows that CPUs have been "fast enough" for awhile now.
We currently have a dozen Dell Vostro 200's with Pentium Dual Core 1.6ghz CPUs, and a dozen Dell Vostro 220's with Pentium Dual Core 2.4ghz CPUs in the office (among a few other oddball machines and the server).
These computers run Office 2007, Adobe Acrobat 9, IE 8, etc. Some of them also run Quickbooks and a few other programs. None are used for video encoding, games, or anything that fancy.
You know what? The difference between the 1.6ghz machines and the 2.4ghz machines isn't all that noticeable, once everything is up and running (they all have 2GB of RAM, running Windows XP Pro SP3). They all have the Intel GMA graphics, and for the office, they are all plenty fast.
Why would our company upgrade to these new CPUs?
The Pentium Dual Core CPUs were a nice jump over the Pentium 4 line. (we used to have all Pentium 4 machines back in 2006) This new line of CPUs doesn't seem like the same kind of improvement. Reply
tomaccogoats - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkI only look at new cpu's for gaming :p Reply
lowlight - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkYou might notice a difference if they were running Windows 7 with 4GB of ram. Right now they are all a bit bottlenecked by the OS (poor multitasking performance) and low amount of RAM.
But in general I agree with what you're saying. Reply
FlyTexas - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkI have Windows 7 installed on my computers at home, I haven't moved the office machines due to a lack of any good reason to do so.
We have Windows 2003 R2 Small Business Server at work. Everyone is on user accounts on a domain. We have a hardware firewall running as well as the usual antivirus/spam/etc. stuff running.
It all just works, I have no desire to rip it all apart, spend a lot of the company's money, to gain... well I'm not sure what we'd gain. If I can't think of a good reason to do it, I sure can't sell it to the boss.
This isn't a knock against Microsoft, I personally love Windows 7, it is great for my home computer, but it doesn't do anything for the work computers. In a larger company, I can see the benefits of moving to it (and Server 2008), but we just don't have that large of a network (or budget).
As a side note: You wouldn't have wanted to see the mess that was here when I got here, it was all running on a wireless linksys router on an unencrypted network. I managed to get the office wired with gigabit ethernet and turn off the wireless. Got a good server in place, setup a Dell account, and moved out most of the oddball machines (we did two lease purchases of machines, one for each dozen of the Vostros, got a heck of a deal on them too). Of course I sold this to the boss by saying that it would all last at least 5 years, and we're about 2 years into that 5 year plan. :)
Maybe we'll just skip Windows 7 and move to 8 when it comes out. Reply
Taft12 - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkThe parent's office PC's aren't bottlenecked by the OS - they're not bottlenecked PERIOD. They run modern productivity apps just fine and would gain little to no benefit from Core i3 (or Windows 7 for that matter). Reply
Paulman - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkThose office PC's you mentioned aren't bottlenecked by the 2GB of RAM. But I wouldn't say that they aren't bottlenecked, "period". What they ARE bottlenecked by is disk I/O, I'm sure. Throw in a good SSD and you would notice quite a bit of speed improvement, and probably a noticeable difference between the 1.6GHz and 2.4GHz machines.
The most annoying thing to me whenever I'm using my PC is seeing and hearing my laptop HDD thrash around when launching an app or what not, because everything is held up as a result. Yes, I know it's a laptop HDD, but desktop drives are pretty slow, too. Reply
FlyTexas - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkSSDs are indeed fast, and make the whole computer feel "snappier"...
However, these office machines never shut down (they hibernate overnight). IE8, Word, Excel, and Acrobat are always open and always stay open. Once loaded in memory, the hard drive is hardly used.
I've looked at upgrading them to 3GB of RAM, but they aren't using what they have, so why bother? Most of them use right around 1GB of RAM most of the time.
Could we put 40GB SSDs in? Sure, they are about $130 at Newegg right now... Not the end of the world, until you multiply that times 24 machines. Not a minor expense. Reply
FlyTexas - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkThat is so true. This the first time in a long time that the computers have been "fast enough" for everything we use them for.
There was a time in 1993/1994 that we were in this position, running DOS 6 and Windows 3.1 on 486DX2/66 machines, where the move to the DX4/100 or Pentium saw no benefit until Windows 95 came out. I worked in small shop back then, and we demoed a Pentium 66 machine, and saw zero benefit over the 486DX2/66 machines, other than it cost twice as much.
Perhaps in 2002, the Athlon XP machines were "fast enough" for Windows XP and Office XP, that was a nice time as well in the business. A Pentium III 550mhz was my last personal Intel chip until 2006, when I got my first Core2Duo machine at home. I had to work with some Pentium 4s at work during that time, Intel really, REALLY dropped the ball with the Pentium 4, IMHO.
Oh well... I've been doing this a long time, I still remember 5.25" floppy drives, with NO hard drive and those ugly green monitors with Hercules graphics... :) Reply
lowlight - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkBut the 45nm package on Westmere doesn't just carry the GPU. They also moved the PCI-E controller and Memory controller there. I guess the "CPU" is still technically 32nm, but compared to Nehalem, half the "CPU" actually resides on a 45nm package on the chip...
You can see a diagram in this Clarkdale review: http://www.hardcoreware.net/intel-clarkdale-core-i...">http://www.hardcoreware.net/intel-clarkdale-core-i... Reply
lowlight - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkGuess I should have read the whole review... You guys picked it up too! Not many others did though ;) Reply
ilnot1 - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkI swear I've scoured the pages but I don't see your Test System Setup Chart: how much RAM, which graphics card? If it is there and I missed it I wish you could delete posts. Reply
Spoelie - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkIt's on page 6
I'd like to know the setup of each memory benchmark on page 2. What memory speeds and settings were used for the latency and bandwidth numbers? Reply
Anand Lal Shimpi - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkAll of the CPUs used DDR3-1333 running at 7-7-7-20 timings for that test. I used Everest 1909 (I believe, I'm about 2300 miles away from my testbed right now :-P) and CPU-Z's latency tool to grab the data.
Take care,
Anand Reply
toyota - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkI was looking for it too and its not there. Reply
yuhong - Monday, January 04, 2010 - link"The Clarkdale lineup is honestly made up of CPUs that are too expensive. The Core i5 670, 661/660 and 650 are all priced above $170 and aren't worth the money. The problem is Lynnfield's turbo mode gives you high enough clock speeds with two threads that there's no need to consider a dual-core processor. You can buy a Core i5 750, have more cores than any of these Clarkdales and run at close enough to the same frequencies for $196."
But then you have to pay extra for a discrete graphic card and not every application need the extra graphic power! Reply
Paulman - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkWow, I was going to write about how you wouldn't have to buy a discrete graphics card if you went with a Core i5 750 because you could just choose a motherboard with an integrated graphics chip. But then I checked online and it seems that there aren't any P55-based boards with integrated graphics - wow! Wouldn't have believed it myself.
However, Anand's point still stands when comparing the Clarkdale i5's to the Phenom II X4, for which you can get many boards with integrated graphics. Reply
Inkie - Sunday, January 10, 2010 - link"when comparing the Clarkdale i5's to the Phenom II X4, for which you can get many boards with integrated graphics"
...but Clarkdale already has integrated graphics. Reply
ssj4Gogeta - Friday, January 08, 2010 - linkIt's because P55 is a southbridge, not a northbridge. Reply
Taft12 - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkBut then you have to pay extra for a discrete graphic card and not every application need the extra graphic power!
Only if you don't already have any PCI-E x16 card. Is that true for a single reader of this site? And truly ANY PCI-E card will perform better than Intel's on-chip solution, even one 3 generations old. Reply
ereavis - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkso the price goes up another $30-$40. As to your question of truth, yes I spend 40 hours a week on an intel IGP dual core as it is, so do the other 1000 people in this building doing engineering work that's processor demanding but graphics independent. Reply
nubie - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkThere are rafts of HP 8400 OEM pci-e cards on ebay right now for $15 (total, no shipping or tax), that should even accelerate your Flash 10.1 and video just fine.
If you even need it that is, and it is clear that for many there is absolutely no use for more than the integrated graphics. Reply
oc3an - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkHi Anand. Looks to me like something weird is up with your Everest benchmarks. Shouldn't the 24X multiplier have the faster scores?
-Patrick Reply
Rajinder Gill - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkHi Patrick,
Fixed it, the images were reversed.
maxfisher05 - Monday, January 04, 2010 - linkGood Article Anand. I'm going to be building my first HTPC soon, but I want to be able to do some light gaming on it, and it doesn't look like the integrated graphics have come far enough yet. If the 661 was priced lower I would consider it, but for nearly the price of a 750 you are right in saying it makes no sense. 750 + 5750 discrete graphics for me please :)
Will someone be posting an updated system buyers' guide soon? Reply
ssoussi - Wednesday, September 22, 2010 - linkCheck the Quick Reference Guide to Intel® HD Graphics on the official website:
http://software.intel.com/fr-fr/articles/quick-ref... Reply
kumargupta9 - Wednesday, December 22, 2010 - linkI was doing a research on i3 vs. i5 vs. i7.. found many articles which this one as the best. Also found the following also useful. http://binaryday.com/2010/12/09/intel-core-i3-vs-c... Reply
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Tuesday, March 11, 2008
Follow the Sourdough - Day 7: We Knead Bread
The photo you see here is me testing whether the dough had received enough kneading. Some refer to this as the "window pane test," but I call it the "stretching dough over a flashlight test." Enjoy!
My sourdough bread recipe:
2 cups sponge
2 tsp salt
1/2 tsp sugar
2 tbsp olive oil
between 2 1/2 and 3 cups flour
*let rise until doubled in size - between 6 and 12 hours
44 comments:
It says your video is no longer available... ??
- March 11, 2008 at 9:37 PM
- Chef John said...
seems fine now, sometimes Youtube's network burps.
- March 11, 2008 at 11:10 PM
- Video Recipes said...
Great video, I especially liked your patented kneading technique!
- March 12, 2008 at 5:54 AM
You may want to add to your day 7 video description that there "was no day 6", so to speak.
- March 12, 2008 at 12:21 PM
What a great job demystifying sourdough-Thanks!!
You said the leftover sponge can be kept in the fridge-how long will it keep? I'm sure I'll have to feed it from time to time-when? Then I can just start at the sponge step say next month when I want to make another loaf right?
Thanks again!
- March 12, 2008 at 1:48 PM
- Jeena said...
Hello Chef John,
I have been following your food
blog for a while now as a silent
reader but have not commented
until now..all I can say is
"WOW your recipes look great",
and I want to cook them all :-)
I would like to get to know
you more, with your talent
for cooking then your going to
be a great friend to have.
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forum, you are very welcome
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- March 12, 2008 at 2:22 PM
- Chef John said...
I just added a note about the leftover sponge in the new post. Thanks!
- March 12, 2008 at 4:07 PM
I like seeing the half-turn palm push technique.
All of us don't have ripped arms:)
So inquiring minds want to know how to use a dough hook to do most of the kneading. I know you still need to finish kneading the last bit by hand...but how do you know when to take it out of the mixer.
Love the step by step directions.
- March 13, 2008 at 12:49 AM
- Chef John said...
wish i knew! never used a dough hook :(
- March 13, 2008 at 10:13 AM
- tonic said...
I'm sad to report that my dough just did not rise. After 24 hours it still looks like it did when it went into the bowl. Perhaps I had a kneading issue, I followed all the directions to a T until you got the the kneading. I used a dough hook on my stand mixer!! I have huge pipes but I'm just lazy. ;-)
- March 14, 2008 at 8:51 AM
- Chef John said...
Kneading would have nothing to do with rising. Was the sponge bubbly? If the sponge was OK, then the dough not rising would be a real mystery!
- March 14, 2008 at 12:14 PM
- tonic said...
Yes, the sponge was nice and bubbly, just like yours!! :-(
- March 17, 2008 at 12:17 PM
- Chef John said...
Well, then that's a mystry to me...if the sponge was really active the dough should rise. 2 cups sponge and 3 cups flour should rise within 18 hours. I stumped as to why it didn't!
- March 17, 2008 at 1:23 PM
- Chef John said...
Well, then that's a mystry to me...if the sponge was really active the dough should rise. 2 cups sponge and 3 cups flour should rise within 18 hours. I stumped as to why it didn't!
- March 17, 2008 at 1:23 PM
- Perry Family said...
What were you supposed to do on day 6?
- April 10, 2008 at 12:11 PM
- Chef John said...
Just wait... did you read the day 6 post? here is the link http://foodwishes.blogspot.com/2008/03/follow-sourdough-day-6-and-then-he.html
- April 10, 2008 at 1:14 PM
- Perry Family said...
Chef John your hyperlink runs off of the page so I can't copy the complete link and paste it into a browser.
- April 14, 2008 at 12:04 PM
- Chef John said...
not sure what u are referring too. I don't see any links in the post.
- April 14, 2008 at 12:11 PM
- Perry Family said...
I'm referring to the link you gave me for day six.
- April 14, 2008 at 12:14 PM
- Chef John said...
oh, well I can't change the format, so I wont paste again. Just go to the March archive in the sidebar, and click on day 6.
By the way, it was just a brief post as there was nothing to do that day except wait for the sponge.
- April 14, 2008 at 1:14 PM
- Juli said...
Hello Chef John,
thanks for this amazing blog, I'm doing a research for my Graduation project on Sourdough (I live in London, UK), and as I have never baked one before, your blog is saving my life, I was going nuts to understand the amount of the information I gathered, but visualizing it is much easier.
I'm not getting the spong right, I've been trying it for few times and it doesnt seem to want to bubble, I get all the foam on top, but no sponge, would you give me some inspiration please?
- November 13, 2008 at 5:24 AM
- Chef John said...
I'm not sure what is wrong. I would start again and add a couple grains of dry yeast, just a tiny pinch to get it started. It may be the location you're in.
- November 13, 2008 at 5:40 PM
- Juli said...
Hi chef, thanks for replying. I made it, even tho I didnt get big bubbles in the "sponge" step I moved fwd and made the dough last Thursday, and then baked it on Friday morning. It looked fine and the result was amazing! I got a beautiful loaf of bread in the end, and it tasted very nice. My friends approved! ;-) Anyway, now is the science bit, and already froze half of the loaf for future studies in the lab. I'll let you know the results. Thanks for all the help.
- November 16, 2008 at 8:30 AM
Thanks for all the information. It has really helped me in my quest of baking a "good" loaf of sourdough. One question, though. When I make the "slashes" on my loaf, before baking, it deflated a little. Did I possibly make the slashes too deep? Thanks in advance, NanaDeb
- March 14, 2009 at 3:47 PM
- Chef John said...
maybe, but it does always deflate a bit. Did it bake OK?
- March 15, 2009 at 1:51 AM
- Swanky Mommy said...
I had the same problem with my dough not rising. I followed everything step by step and waiting until my starter was nice and super bubbly. Then I made the recipe and . . . nothin'. Even after 24 hours. I will try again, but I'm not sure what happened.
- July 1, 2009 at 12:00 AM
- Chef John said...
not sure, its mysterious stuff, you can cheat a little and add a tiny pinch of yeast for the next batch.
- July 1, 2009 at 2:03 AM
- Swanky Mommy said...
I just made pizza with my unrisen dough today like you suggested and it was AWESOME!
- July 1, 2009 at 7:18 PM
- Todd said...
Thanks for an awesome blog! A quick question--on the second day, my starter rose up and got really bubbly like how I imagine the sponge should do. However, since there were not lots of tiny bubbles I kept "feeding" the starter for a couple more days. I never got that same reaction again, but finally got a fair amount of tiny bubbles a couple days later.
The next day I finally made the sponge, but got no reaction from it, other than the typical starter activity(tiny bubbles and a the liquid separating from the rest).
Any suggestions? Thanks.
- August 7, 2009 at 8:40 AM
- Chef John said...
sorry, there is no way for me to tell what happened. You can try again, or maybe your area just doesn;t do sour dough, or cheat and use a tiny pinch of yeast in the starter
- August 8, 2009 at 2:32 PM
- Penumbra said...
Oh yes, you've inspired me! Will this sour dough process work with rye flour as well?
- August 19, 2009 at 11:19 PM
- Chef John said...
not sure, never tried
- August 20, 2009 at 9:23 AM
Hello! I am on day 5 of my sourdough, since day 3 (after feeding my starter for the first time) my starter has looked more like a sponge big and bubbly after 24 hours, I started to barely see the frothy bubbles on day 4 a few hours after feeding it, so I put it in the fridge and made my sponge today. I think I may have done it too early.
It has only been 5.5 hours but it is looking frothy like it should have before the sponge.
I plan on waiting a few more hours and trying to make my bread anyway, to see how it turns out. but do you have any idea if and what I may have done wrong? so I can do it right next time.
did I make my sponge too early?
- November 20, 2009 at 6:03 PM
- Chef John said...
i'm thinking about taking this post down, since the only way I could know what was up is if I was there with people!
I truly have no idea. It's such an inexact science! Good luck!
- November 20, 2009 at 6:48 PM
What would happen if I leave the ready sponge longer. Since, I don't feel like kneading dough at ungodly hours.
- March 3, 2010 at 9:00 PM
What would happen if I leave my ready sponge few more hours outside. Thanks
- March 3, 2010 at 9:00 PM
- Chef John said...
nothing, just leave it
- March 3, 2010 at 9:30 PM
After the first rise, can I put the dough back in the frig over night and continue next day.
- March 4, 2010 at 7:19 PM
- Chef John said...
not sure. I'm not very experienced with this stuff. I've only done it the way shown.
- March 4, 2010 at 7:34 PM
- Teresa said...
Hi Chef John, Thanks for this sourdough starter recipe! I am on day three and my starter looks ready but, I will wait. (We really want the sour.) Thanks again! :)
- August 31, 2010 at 10:03 PM
- Juan Blanco said...
I'm wanting to make a sourdough cheese bread. I can't seem to find any good recipes. Do you have any suggestions?
- October 18, 2010 at 6:20 AM
- BeachGirl said...
Chef John,
My first loaf, using your technique and recipe is in hour two of it's first rise :) My last few attempts using other methods produced wonderful, heavy door stops. Or bricks lol
I am so hopeful this will finally be the attempt that produces a fine loaf of delicious sourdough. Thank you so much for the posts and the videos! I'll let you know how it turns out!
- April 3, 2011 at 6:21 PM
Hi chef John...can I use wholemeal flour and if so are the ingredients the same quantities..
- July 18, 2012 at 8:49 AM
- Aaron Norris said...
Hello Chef John! Love your work. My question is... Can Sourdough be used to make flatbreads like pita or that Lebanese mountain flatbread? I ask because I much prefer the smell and flavor of the wild yeasts to the store-bought... Which reminds me of beer which I like... But I don't want my bread smelling or tasting like beer lol.
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LG N2A2 NAS Reviewby Ganesh T S on 7/18/2011 11:30 AM EST
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Chupathingy220 - Monday, July 18, 2011 - linkI've been swinging back and forth between picking up a NAS like this one, or repurposing an old netbook I have lying about with some Linux server software and simply attaching drives to it via USB. Suggestions? Reply
kmmatney - Monday, July 18, 2011 - linkI would just suggest picking up a copy of WHS (only $59 at NewEgg) and eityher using your old laptop or making a cheap server. I tried various solutions, such as a home-made NAS and Linux (Amahi). In the end, it's just so much nicer using Windows Home server. My only regret was wasting so much time with other solutions before getting WHS. Reply
Zan Lynx - Monday, July 18, 2011 - linkYou can get better performance with WHS (or Linux) and your own hardware. Gigabit jumbo frames, four or five fast hard drives, you should be able to get over 80 MB/s in sequential access.
But you lose one of the bigger advantages these little NAS boxes have, which is low power consumption and quietness. Reply
name99 - Monday, July 18, 2011 - linkWhy limit yourself to WHS or Linux?
You can use a Mac Mini (low power when it's on AND it can go to sleep, registering itself with an AirPort base station, to be woken as necessary.)
OSX offers built-in striping, so hook up 3 USB drives and you can hit basically 100MB/s or so reads and writes. Reply
SilthDraeth - Monday, July 18, 2011 - linkMaybe if WHS was installed on the Mac Mini. Reply
EddieBoy - Monday, July 18, 2011 - linkI'll second the comment about trying Windows Home Server. I have been using Version 1 for several years and it works great. Version 2 is getting good reviews although a few people were upset that it doesn't continue the use of Drive Extender. That didn't bother me too much as there are add-ons for DE if you really feel you need that functionality. The Newegg price for WHS is very tempting. I may have to grab a copy of Version 2 and upgrade my configuration. Reply
phu5ion - Monday, July 18, 2011 - linkIf you are going to re-purpose an existing system, use a Linux server OS. You don't want some pesky GUI eating CPU time like some other OS options. Reply
kmmatney - Monday, July 18, 2011 - linkThe GUI is Windows XP based - very light. You use a console app to connect to it most of the time, anyways. The GUI comes in handy when you need it. A lot of us just don't know Linux all that well to attempt running it without a GUI. I also use WHS to share (sort of) a scanner. Reply
ShoePuke - Monday, July 18, 2011 - linkI too agree that for most of the people that read Anandtech, a DIY NAS will get you way more features for same or less money. I was pretty psyched about WHS until they removed data redundancy in the new version (I thought that was it's best feature!). Now I'm using unRAID and love it. My 14 TB unRAID box draws ~35w idle and ~80w peak. Really like being able to mix drive sizes w/o penalty while having parity. Reply
Rick83 - Monday, July 18, 2011 - linkjust got a 20 euro more expensive buffalo 2-disk NAS, which allows proper hot swap, but it is insanely loud (for what it is).
I'd expect these enclosures to be silent and the disks to be minimally intrusive, but this one will have to be hidden in an insulated cupboard.. Reply
slick121 - Monday, July 18, 2011 - linkSorry to hear that. Exactly the reason I will always build my own. Those small fans are way too loud. Reply
scott967a - Monday, July 18, 2011 - linkWould like to see some power tests in these home NAS reviews. Do these things have some sort of sleep mode? That's the main reason I can see for going this route vs just using some old hardware laying around. Reply
ganeshts - Monday, July 18, 2011 - linkThe power numbers are in the final section.
~21 W for full load
~14 W at idle
There is also a configurable 'full sleep when no access' mode where it consumes less than 1 W. It is woken up on access over the network. Reply
Daniel Egger - Monday, July 18, 2011 - linkI do have the N2R1 (actually I gifted a second one to my father since his previous ICYBox was a huge loud piece of crap). It is somewhat fast, silent, has a nice feature set also including the DVD or even BlueRay write and runs a modified Debian which allows for some nifty tricks like the use of rdiff-backup. I also do have other soft- and hardware RAID systems running.
Doing software SATA RAID on an Intel based system /may/ be faster and allows using the very useful LVM but is far less stable due to funky link resets from which md sometimes won't recover, sucks far more power and is nowhere as easy to administer -- not that I'd care, but you get the idea...
Iff I ever decide to do another Linux RAID it'll prolly have a 3Ware (or similar) Hardware RAID controller, again. Other than that I'd go for another LG NAS or some more expensive brand...e Reply
xrror - Monday, July 18, 2011 - link"The disks in the N2A2 can't be replaced by the user."
Doesn't that somewhat undermine the usefulness of RAID 1 for an end-user? Reply
ganeshts - Monday, July 18, 2011 - linkYes, it is inexcusable (as I have mentioned in the review).
However, data recovery is possible by the end-user. (I have outlined the steps in the penultimate section) Reply
xrror - Monday, July 18, 2011 - linkI assume that the N2A2 will let you copy data from it with one disk degraded. When I read the article the first time, I (hopefully) mis-understood that you HAD to tear the unit apart to recover it. Re-reading it I see that it was more "just to see if it could be recovered" in the event of a board failure.
I guess I can see from their point of view to simplify support - maybe they don't want to deal with HDD compatibility. But like you imply that didn't seem to be a problem for releasing the N2R1D. It does seem strange to need to RMA the entire unit for a bad disk.
Then again, I'm assuming that's how they will handle HDD failures?
Regardless, thanks for the article - especially the recovery tear down. Reply
ganeshts - Monday, July 18, 2011 - linkYes, the unit was torn apart to test both failure scenarios at once.
With HDD failures, the end-user can recover the data while in the degraded mode. For motherboard failures, I am not sure what LG will do in terms of data recovery (but the end-user can tear down and recover from the hard disk -- as covered in the data recovery section)
I am not sure why LG decided to introduce this type of NAS into the market. As a networked hard disk, this makes more sense (but not as a NAS competitor to D-Link's and Netgear's offerings in the same price range). Reply
beginner99 - Tuesday, July 19, 2011 - link... I'm also not sure what to do. or just continue to use my normal pc and setup intel raid.
A NAS with decent perfromance figures, eg. one of the QNAP or synology types with an atom processor are about the same price here as a DIY NAS with a Core i3. Note that Core i3 is only like 40$ more than brazos/atom build. That includes Chenbro case (=expensive). This is were DIY fails because these "small server parts" are very expensive and I don't have space for a second "normal" pc case. Reply
ganeshts - Tuesday, July 19, 2011 - linkIf you have the cash to spare, I think the 'buy' option is the preferable solution (compared to the headaches that building your own system brings)
Also, for most home usage scenarios, PCs are an overkill for NAS solutions. A simple hard disk serving content over the network with the help of an embedded NAS chipset (like the one from Marvell) will be much more power efficient and easy to manage. Reply
Visual - Tuesday, July 19, 2011 - linkStop wasting time with crap like this.
If you mean to review NAS boxes, find some that are actually worth it, with space for 5 or 6 3.5" drives in RAID 5, preferably with hot-swap support, or just don't bother. Reply
ganeshts - Tuesday, July 19, 2011 - linkPoint noted. But, we also need to target home consumer solutions.
The 5 / 6 drive RAID5 solutions you mention are targeted towards SMBs, and we do cover those too. By the way, we have two boxes which came in after this currently in the review queue (QNAP and Netgear), and I am just starting out with the benchmarking for those. Reply
dhiiir - Friday, July 22, 2011 - linkI have been using Version 1 for several years and it works great. Version 2 is getting good reviews although a few people were upset that it doesn't continue the use of Drive Extender. That didn't bother me too much as there are add-ons for DE if you really feel you need that functionality. The Newegg price for WHS is very tempting.[[ w w w -( upsfashion )- c o m ]]I personally feel that the site is very good, there are many things we need, so I want to share with everyone. I believe you will like it. Reply
freez3 - Saturday, February 11, 2012 - linkHi @ll,
first many thanks to AnandTech for the great testings on this NAS.
It was very nice to see that you have also a deep lock at last single detail,
data recovery when the main board breaks down.
You have done a great job!
Did some body has experience with the NFS shares on this LG NAS?
I was a little bit surprised as I have seen this feature in the Web Interface,
because of it was not tested here and it was also not in the feature list of LG and shop I've bought it
After a quick test, the disillusion I've realized that NFS on N2A2DF2 is very slow only 2 MB/S writing,
with a mirrored 2TB HDD drives.
Perhaps one of my settings are wrong.
Thanks for your help!
Freez3 Reply


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The first batch of starter I ever tried looked fine, and yet the sponge sat there stubbornly refusing to grow. Undaunted, I started over and my second batch worked perfectly, and I've been successful ever since. I hope this series of posts and videos has, at the very least, inspired you to give it a try (or two), and experience the joy and taste of homemade sourdough bread. Enjoy!
Regarding your leftover sponge:
In yesterday's post I mentioned to refrigerate the leftover sponge. Now that you have a living, growing sourdough, you can use this to make unlimited batches of new sponge. Simply repeat the feeding step we did each day at the beginning of the series, but you only need to do this once a week.
When you are ready to make bread, let this come to room temp, and repeat the sponge making step. After you use the 2 cups to make the sponge, store the leftovers and so on, and so on. Some bakeries claim to have starters that are decades old. I poke a pin hole in the plastic lid I use to store it, since it produces carbon-dioxide and you don't need any explosions in the fridge. While it's being stored, any dark liquid that forms on your starter (called hooch) can be stirred in or poured off.


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Computex 2011: ASRock Llano, 990FX and Z68 Motherboardsby Anand Lal Shimpi & Ian Cutress on 5/30/2011 1:36 AM EST
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m.amitava - Monday, May 30, 2011 - linkIf B1 stepping performance for Bulldozer doesn't look too good, can we really expect a magical jump within one more stepping? was hoping Bulldozer would be competitive :(....Intel's having it faar too easy in the enthusiast segment... Reply
dezz - Monday, May 30, 2011 - linkMost probably there is a little hw bug that is preventing it to reach the intended clockrates. (BD is desingned to work at high clockrates, at least some parts of it.) If it gets fixed it's ready to go...
So, it's not about redesigning the whole thing in a new stepping. Reply
Targon - Thursday, June 02, 2011 - linkIt may not be about clock rates, and more about design errors that cause logic problems in how instructions are executed. These errors can be discovered and fixed, which of course means a new stepping. Now, there is one other issue here, and that is about the speed of the chips. As long as AMD can come up with a chip that performs as well as an Intel chip at the same price point, AMD will sell quite a few processors.
Let's face it, most people don't look to buy the very fastest CPU or GPU, but look to get the best bang for their buck. Even something that performs on par with the Phenom 2 965 is easily something that will sell fairly well if the price is right, and Bulldozer SHOULD be quite a bit faster, clock for clock. The problem right now is that AMD is having problems competing with the Intel i5, so the CPU performance of Bulldozer is critical. Reply
dezz - Friday, June 03, 2011 - linkI think such kind of errors show up during initial product evaluations (rev.A0, A1), even early simulations. There are Enginering Sampes out (B0, perhaps B1) since last year that works well - at moderate clockrates. Reply
nonameo - Monday, May 30, 2011 - linkwhat? floppy? I might could see the point in an IDE connector but floppy?
I just don't get it. why? Reply
cozappz - Monday, May 30, 2011 - link'cause I hate to throw away a good functional FDD I bought in the autumn of ninteen hundred ... something ;) . Reply
JarredWalton - Monday, May 30, 2011 - linkYeah, I'd like to know what Fatal1ty's background in computer hardware is, that he should think the inclusion of IDE and floppy support is still important. USB flash drives have killed off the floppy (unless you're installing XP still?), and IDE hasn't been useful for anything beyond DVDRs for years. Reply
Targon - Thursday, June 02, 2011 - linkSome people still have old data on floppy they want access to, and having a floppy drive in ONE computer, just for that reason alone may be worth having the connector. I agree that the floppy drive is dead technology, but some people out there keep trying to raise the dead. Reply
Mr Perfect - Monday, May 30, 2011 - linkI don't even see why he'd want an IDE port. SATA DVD burners are what? $30 or less on Newegg? Who exactly is going to buy an high end premium motherboard and not have the $30 to get a DVD burner that was manufactured in the last five years? Reply
Jinxed_07 - Saturday, June 25, 2011 - linkI, like you, thought this for a long time. But it has since occurred to me that some people like to keep ALL of their SATA ports open for HDD's or SSD's only. I could compromise in this area all thought I'd rather not. Now, sure, they could buy an external CD/DVD burner, but I'm sure performance times would be significantly slowed down. Reply
nenforcer - Monday, May 30, 2011 - linkThe only reason I believe is that enthusiasts are still known to do frequent BIOS flashes and some still are adamant of only using a bootable DOS prompt for the safest legacy choice.
All of my new builds from the last 4 years or so I've had no problem using Windows to FLASH. Reply
DanNeely - Tuesday, May 31, 2011 - linkIf they have the board space it's more or less free if they put any other legacy IO on. Floppy, PS2, RS232, LPT, and game port IO are all controlled by a single SuperIO chip(named that because 20ish years ago it took an ISA card with a bunch of seperate controllers for each of the ports). PS2 lingers on among some hardcore users, mostly because USB keyboards are limited to reporting 7 simultaneous keypresses (although why noone is willing to write an enhanced USB keyboard protocol+drivers to do away with the limit is beyond me). Reply
Mr Perfect - Thursday, June 02, 2011 - linkActually, some USB boards can do more then 6KRO these days. Microsoft, Ducky, Noppoo, and Leopold all have models that do more then 10KRO on USB, so unless you've got more then ten fingers, you're good. There's a list of them over at Geekhack.org. The GH community has also got a number of XT/PS2-to-USB converters that pass full NKRO to USB using a Teensy and about $30 worth or parts. Reply
Michael REMY - Monday, May 30, 2011 - linkdo you notice that the fatality word on the motherboard is photoshoped like the creative one ?
strange isn't it ?
look the creative one :
http://connect.creativelabs.com/marcom/Headsets/Fa... Pro Series Headset/Logo/Creative_Fatal1ty_ProSeries_Logo.jpg Reply
LtGoonRush - Monday, May 30, 2011 - linkThat's because that's Fatal1ty's logo, he licenses it to various companies. You can see it on his website here:
http://www.fatal1ty.com/ Reply
Pratheek - Monday, May 30, 2011 - linkI do not know when they will be having a successful version of bulldozer so that they can put into market..
Also, floppy connector in fatality series: I could not understand the necessity of it. Reply
b_wallach - Monday, May 30, 2011 - linkAren't you? You should be. I have been almost praying that AMD can get a gold mine from the Bulldozer CPU lineup. They have been doing only ok with their current lineup of cpu's and disregarding cpu reviews AMD's cpu's are really pretty good.
But they have a lot riding on this new cpu and if it fails it may put AMD in a spot they can't recover from and this would be a very bad thing indeed.
It makes me all the more worried that AMD and ATI are tied together and the worst case I can think of is both of these Co's go out of business, get bought up by a real stupid company and all we have left to deal with is Intel and Nvidia...
I can remember the days when a Intel 286 cpu cost around as much as a computer costs today and this is just for the cpu alone. And if ATI can't separate and go from where they were before AMD took them in I can see the costs of Intel and Nvidia products getting very expensive and I really do NOT want to see this happen.
I wish more people were more aware of just how bad it will be and support AMD... Everyone has AMD to thank for the low cost of both Co's cpus. I continue to support them and I wish more people would but most only look at the short term and people like me are waiting for the big I told you so when a Intel cpu jumps up to around 1000.00 or so average cost.
And really for most programs it's hard to really tell which cpu is in a computer without looking inside. They are both more than fast enough to run games and just about anything else but reading how a few FPS one way or the other decides the cpu to buy is kind of stupid. Same with video cards where the performance is so high on most games that either one will play the games smoothly. Remember, when you go to a movie you see it at 24fps and anything over 30 gets enough speed to work great.
Anyway, I am really really hoping AMD gets their new cpu to fly because I hate to see people cutting their own throats by letting intel win this war.
It's like watching a bunch of idiots going on strike after strike with a Auto maker in England. They kept it up until they killed the company and all were out of work. People are like this unfortunately. They rarely take the time to see cause and effect happen even to the point of shooting themselves in the foot. Reply
PC_gamer - Monday, May 30, 2011 - linki understand your concern, but can you really blame people for their buying decisions? Given a choice between 2 products at the same price, you will automatically go with the one that gets more performance, even if it's just a couple of fps.
Unfortunately for AMD, Intel has performance and price at very competitive levels with SB.
If AMD goes down, it's very likely someone else would step in to take their place, we hopefully won't see any monopolies. Reply
just4U - Tuesday, May 31, 2011 - linkThen why were people paying more (sometimes alot more) for Intel cpu's back during the P4/Athlon days? I disagree with your comment mainly because the masses don't know what to buy.. You take a look at their systems and usually just shake your head. Reply
Shadowmaster625 - Tuesday, May 31, 2011 - linkIt is possible that we have AMD to blame for the lack of competition and stagnation in x86 land. If AMD did not release their 64 bit extensions, then Intel would likely have choked itself off with Itanium, while ARM cpus mopped up the consumer markets. AMD is grossly incompetent. They still have not integrated a SSD controller into their cpu. They have no LPDDR controller either. These are both major failures that will make it very difficult for them to enter the tablet/MID market if they do not rectify the situation immediately. AMD needs to work with both Adobe and Microsoft to hammer out a set of special instructions not just for their SIMDs but for their x86 cores. They have failed massively on that front as well. That could have been a major major coup de grace... Reply
Targon - Thursday, June 02, 2011 - linkWhy would the CPU have the SSD controller? A new standard is needed for SSDs to eliminate a lot of the legacy "hard drive" stuff that we have in SATA right now. Reply
cactusdog - Monday, May 30, 2011 - linkThere are new socket 2011 X79 boards at computex...lets see those. Reply
dagamer34 - Monday, May 30, 2011 - linkPCI ports? Ewww... Reply
DanNeely - Tuesday, May 31, 2011 - linkNot enough PCIe lanes on the southbridge to fill out a fully loaded full ATX board. Unless Intel bumps the number of SB lanes from 8 to 12 (vs 5 PCI ports) on their legacy PCIless 7x chipsets I expect most full ATX boards will either have a bridge chip (1xPCIe - PCI or 1xPCIe to 4x PCIe) or will have several empty slots in the expansion section. Reply
jackylman - Monday, May 30, 2011 - linkI can't believe this guy is still pimping products and that people actually pay more to buy them. Reply
Zap - Monday, May 30, 2011 - linkI think these products sell in spite of him. Yeah, I can remember back when he was actually competing in games. Fatal1ty branded products are usually decent, and current younger gamers who don't even know who Wendell is will purchase it because "Fatal1ty" just looks cool. The word has street cred with the online instant messaging gaming crowd because of the "1" in it, LOL. Reply
aegisofrime - Monday, May 30, 2011 - linkI have been waiting to upgrade my video encoding rig for a while now. Originally I wanted to get an i7-2600K but decided to wait for Bulldozer. After this, would you say that it's safe to get a i7-2600K now? Reply
Targon - Thursday, June 02, 2011 - linkNo, because we are already into June, so you are only looking at two months until Bulldozer, and that's NOT a long wait to make sure you make the right decision. Reply
velocci - Monday, May 30, 2011 - linkHi all, anyone know when this z68 fatality mobo is comming out? Reply
dezz - Monday, May 30, 2011 - link"AMD originally wanted to launch Bulldozer at Computex"
No, the plan was to launch it at the AMD 2011 Client Launch Event on June 14, at Settle, WA.
"Functionally the 9-series chipset is no different from the 8-series that it replaces"
Not true, the 9-series is enhanced in several ways. It's the _pinout_ what is the same. Reply
formulav8 - Monday, May 30, 2011 - linkDidn't AMD add support for USB 3.0 in the new 990 chipsets? Thats a pretty big new feature. Also there are supposed to be some new power features when used with a BD cpu. So really the chipsets are not a simple rebadge. Reply
haukionkannel - Monday, May 30, 2011 - linkNoup. No native USB 3 support from sb950. The next version should be out in the next month or so, that will bring that feature by Fusion Controller Hub.
There are some electrical differencies and new HyperTransport 3.1 in 990 thats are new.
So minor tweaks in here and there. What is good is that most features can be supported via 890 by bios update. Not all though. Reply
dezz - Monday, May 30, 2011 - linkHmm, I've thought USB 3.0 was native. Anyway, they say there is a "full speed" PCI-Expess 2.0 x4 link now between the NB and SB (it was the same on paper, though). SATA got TRIM support for SSD's. They will support (enable) IOMMU also with 990X and 970, not just the top-end part (990FX), like in case of the 8xx.
There is also something about the CPU core temperatures reading and faster VID changes, but perhaps these are not related to the chipset. Reply
dezz - Tuesday, May 31, 2011 - linkTo correct myself on the date: it was to launch on June 7. Reply
poohbear - Monday, May 30, 2011 - linklol they're naming a mobo after some guy who requested IDE & Floppy connectors be included on a mobo being released in 2011???? this guy is clueless about hardware, and if this is meant to be an enthusiast mobo he has just killed it! Reply
DanNeely - Tuesday, May 31, 2011 - linkWhat makes you think fatal1ty has any involvement beyond cashing the checks he gets for letting them use his handle> Reply
Trevor08 - Tuesday, May 31, 2011 - linkI have a real bad feeling about this. Real bad. This is going to finish off AMD. Reply
carnachion - Tuesday, May 31, 2011 - linkAnand and Ian, do you heard any news about the AMD interlagos processor there in Taipei? Reply
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