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The SSD Update: Vertex Gets Faster, New Indilinx Drives and Intel/MacBook Problems Resolvedby Anand Lal Shimpi on 3/30/2009 12:00 AM EST
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landheha - Saturday, July 18, 2009 - linkThe risk I see in all this is putting a windows page file on such a drive that is actually used. Or an Oracle rollback tablespace or redo logfiles. These will get this kind of drive into "used-status" in no time. Not to speak of the 10.000x erase limit.
As another guy said before, the difference between SLC and MLC is not to be neglected. Reply
anactoraaron - Thursday, June 25, 2009 - linkSomething I have noticed under win 7 RC x64 on my laptop is that when running on battery only the system boots up and shuts down faster than when on ac alone. I don't know why yet and this is especially revelant as even with the slightly lesser ssd's - basically non-intel - can improve laptop performance/responsiveness twofold vs. 7200rpm platter hdd's (as shown in the intial x25-m review). As far as the running on battery variable is concerned, my average shut down time on ac power is 17 seconds, and on battery it is 10 seconds (or less). Is there maybe something else going on in windows 7 that is an unknown as of now?
Yes, after enjoying the initial review of the X25-M I had to spend about an hour to see where my platter hdd stood (and I'm sure I'm not the only one here that did so). Reply
vhx - Saturday, June 13, 2009 - linkIntel X25-M or OCZ Vertex 120?
The Intel seems to own it at almost everything except a few writing cases. However the theoretical 180 MB/s Write doesn't seem to show up in anything but synthetic benchmarks which STILL makes it even with the X25-M in real world performance. Not to mention the Vertex's seem to still have major performance degradations compared to X25-M's loss.
What would you all get if you had a choice? Reply
Patanjali - Monday, May 04, 2009 - linkThese seem to have a reasonable write io ops/s compared to any of those that cost less than the Intel, and they are coming cheaper all the time. They use a 2nd generation Samsung controller.
When will Anandtech review them and forget about all these experiments? Reply
Gootch - Sunday, April 19, 2009 - linkAs always, my comments to your previous article should have waited until I had read the latest on these drives. However, X25 is the best (for now) and in some cases arguably cheaper/Gb. Once again a great article follow-up. Reply
steffi - Thursday, April 16, 2009 - linkSo I managed to use a collegue's Intel PC at work to update the firmware in my X-25M but I've got a couple of questions ...
1. Did that firmware resolve the NVidia compatibiity such that in the future I can apply the firmware update from my MacBook Pro Unibody NVidia machine?
2. Did this firmware resolve the Bootcamp issue?
3. How is it possible to use issue the SECURE_ERASE on a Mac then since it doesn't appear that HDDERASE will work given the need for legacy IDE mode? Reply
SpeedDemonAaron - Monday, April 13, 2009 - linkThank you so much for your honest and concise articles on SSDs lately! This is the most important hardware change that the tech world has seen in a long time. There are a lot of bits that need to be uncovered so that the public knows what they are getting themselves into. You're doing an outstanding job of protecting the consumer since manufacturers are definitely producing SSD products at the moment with no regard for the consumer! Reply
mmoran27 - Monday, April 13, 2009 - linkHere it is.
Must be done on Intel system or PC
http://support.intel.com/support/ssdc/index_update...">http://support.intel.com/support/ssdc/index_update... Reply
MadBoris - Monday, April 13, 2009 - linkPcPer did some test on the new Intel Firmware for the x25-M.
Fragmentation issue went away but the drive is still to expensive. ;)
Eri Hyva - Saturday, April 11, 2009 - link
The change log for firmware:
Version 0112 (Feb. 2009) (Description: Basic I/O optimized drive with SMART error logging)
• Version 1199 (Feb. 2009) (Description: Enhanced performance I/O optimized drive)
• Internal "write join" was implemented for better performance
•SMART basic features can be performed without error log monitoring
(to reduce overhead of log data collection)
•ATA power management commands (IDLE, STANDBY, SLEEP) are enabled for compatibility
(Actually these are dummy, while SATA based Power Management is fully supported)
• Supports runtime bad block handling
•Improved power management
•Improved NAND handling
•Enabled PIO mode data transfer
• Version 1275 (March, 2009) (Description: Improved raid 0 mode performance)
•Performance is improved when drive is installed on RAID0 mode host
•Maximum LBA number is modified according to the JEDEC standard
• Modifications of internal data structure used by FW (stamp)
•Improved write joining
•Improved FPDMA transfer mode
• Version 1.10 (April 7, 2009)
•Feature Add : TRIM support is added
•Apple Mac Pro sleep/wake up support added
• Updater improved
•Bad block management function improved
" Reply
samsonite101 - Friday, April 10, 2009 - linkI DO commend you for all this research you've been doing, and your articles are full of some very informative information, and I also appreciate the comments section here where people can post their opinions as well, as I find that it is nice to see more opinions from people and other professionals who can also share their knowledge and expertise into the collective.
The only problem I have is how, in most of your SSD comparisons, you seem to compare apples with oranges a lot regarding the differences between SLC and MLC drives. It is a known factor, that MLC can only endure 10,000 writes per cell. And SLC can handle x10 of that. This is not some small amount. This is a significant difference. Not worth throwing aside. When I read your articles and they repeatedly profess that the Intel X-whatever-it-was drive is cream-of-the-crop holy-grail of all things, it just makes me wonder if you could be receiving payoffs from Intel to say such things. I can see where in the performance arena, it looks as though the popular Intel drive shines, but cost-wise, it does not, and reliability-wise, I don't see how any MLC drive can stand up to an SLC drive, period. Unless of course you could explain to me how this would be possible. I DO love Intel-based products, as I have built many servers using pure Intel parts, and I have a high regard for Intel for building reliable servers, but I just can't get past the whole MLC / SLC thing when it comes to reliability. For me, reliability is very important, as well as performance. I continually hear little remarks stating that the Samsungs just don't measure up, performance-wise, but you never mention much about the lifespan/endurance of SLC. At least I've never heard much mentioned about it. How about an article to compare various SSD drive's endurances and lifespans? If speed is the builder's main issue, then why not use top-performing, reliable SLC SSD pairs in RAID 0 or multiple SSD drives in RAID 5 or other configurations to get your speed, and reliability in one package? I just don't see how 10,000 writes of MLC is cream-of-the-crop, when the Samsung (for example) SLC drive is rated at 2,000,000 MTBF (that is much more than even a typical server-grade HDD which is typically around 1.2 million hours MTBF). Also, the last Samsung drive I bought only cost $175 bucks, and last I checked, the Intel one is around twice that. For the cheaper cost of a Samsung or similar SLC, and the proven reliability of one of them, you COULD actually run them in RAID (Redundant Array of INEXPENSIVE Drives) configurations and have the best of all worlds, plus get your big size back that MLC's typically brag about. Imagine a RAID 5 array with a fast controller and perhaps 5-10 SLC Samsung or similar drives. When they DO slow down after becoming well-used, they still are faster than HDD. So what's the big problem? I would just like to see more talk about the other factors that may influence a buyer to drift toward SLC or MLC. That is my main point. Sorry for the long rant, and I will accept all bashes. Thx
Maybe you can shed some light on these issues I have, but I would say, that it might be helpful if when you post articles about SSD drives, you should also conduct more comparisons reflecting the SLC/MLC related differences, and more comparisons which test reliability, and lifespan, in addition to performance. The reader needs to know about these things as well, in order to make an informed decision on which drive he may want to buy.
By the way, I am just writing this comment as an enthusiast. I am not a rep of any company that cares about SSD. These are just my personal opinions. Reply
anactoraaron - Thursday, June 25, 2009 - linkYou obviously did not read the first review. All of this was explained in great detail- including how nand flash works. Look up the initial review. Reply
Patanjali - Wednesday, April 15, 2009 - linkAs I understand it, if there is a good amount of spare space on the MLC SSD (that is, compared to the amount of the drive actually being rewritten to regularly), the wear-levelling routines will prevent the block write limitation of MLCs ever being an issue (other than a possible gradual reduction in capacity). Only if the drive is full enough to run out of blocks that can be swapped in to write to, will reliability be affected.
Some servers may just tip the scales. Most consumer use would have the majority of drive space being write occasionaly, read mostly, with a few small areas getting higher write traffic that would easily be compensated for by having a few spare GB.
However, I wonder if the wear-levelling routines might be contributing to the observed slowdown, perhaps due to the need to consult ever-growing usage-mapping tables that are themselves subject to wear-levelling. It depends how invasive the wear-levelling code is within the write code. Reply
LinkerX - Thursday, April 09, 2009 - linkIt would be nice if there was an updated review with firmware 1.1 and the supertalent drives. Also Anandtech should go into the bootcamp issues a bit more with mac. Reply
sotoa - Monday, April 06, 2009 - linkAnother great article to put things in perspective. I'm enjoying the tales of the SSD's. I'm hooked! Reply
MadBoris - Sunday, April 05, 2009 - linkAnand, if at all possible try and mix in the recent Samsung 256GB SSD with it's new controller into your testing to see how it compares. While it isn't in the retail channel it is coming down through OEM's and folks buying new laptops are provided the option (like Dell and the 256GB SSD, etc.). So many of us making laptop purchases would benefit from seeing how this great bargain compares.
I'm not paying more for a high end retail SSD than the actual laptop, but I would consider get an inexpensive high end SSD with more storage as an add on for half the price of it's retail counterparts.
For a long time SSD's just had too many compromises, today for a laptop they are starting to make sense if one is willing to pay a little extra, but $800 is too much extra for a 160GB x-25M when a Samsung 256GB SSD is less than half the price on a new laptop purchase.
So it looks like Intel will fix the x-25m issues with a new firmware, no doubt other mfr's can do the same over time. Reply
doclucas - Sunday, April 05, 2009 - linkYes, I keep checking AnandTech every day in hope to see a review and/or a comparison to the very interesting new 256GB Samsung PB22-J (MMDOE56G5MXP-0VB) with stated R/W speeds of 220MBps/200MBps respectively. It can be purchased in a very attractive price via OEM channels.
I am sure most of the SSD articles' readers would be more than happy to have this information here, Anand.
btw, thanks for the excellent SSD articles posted to date. Reply
LinkerX - Saturday, April 04, 2009 - linkI have been using my vertex for a few days now and it is an amazing drive, but they need to fix the boot camp issues asap. Reply
geok1ng - Thursday, April 02, 2009 - linkNot only AT saved my hard earned money by showing the problems with the Jmicrons SSDs- i was about to pull the triger over the OCZ Core SSD, but the last article closed the deal on the OCZ Vertex. Anandtech has been my favorite hardware site for the last 3 years but my respect has gone skyhigh with the SSDs series of articles. It is not about making good reviews for the company that pays the most, it is about writing reviews that force the companies to offer a better product. Reply
7Enigma - Wednesday, April 01, 2009 - linkThis new firmware looks incredible!
But I am left dumbfounded by OCZ's decision to share the firmware with competitors. Sure in a perfect world it is nice and snuggl-ly, but they have to be losing market-share, if not now once other manufacturers begin selling competing products. I'm glad they did it for competition (and thus cheaper prices for us consumers) but I just see it as a relatively stupid business move... Reply
Patanjali - Wednesday, April 01, 2009 - linkIf Indilinx made the decision to do it off their own bat, OR it is not subject to a subcontracting agreement (that is, doing the firmware exclusively for OCZ), then they are free to offer it to all and sundry.
In some industries, even though specific customers pay for changes, they are made available to all customers after a delay period.
It really depends upon who has who over a barrel. Reply
siliq - Wednesday, April 01, 2009 - linkWith Anand's huge article and other articles, it's clear that the sequential read/write thoroughput doesn't matter so much - all SSDs, even the notorious JMicron series, can do a good job on that metric. What is relevant to our daily use is the random write rate. Latencies and IOs/second are the most important metric in the realm of SSD.
Based on that, I would suggest Anand (and other Tech reporters) to include a real world test of evaluating the Random Write performance for SSD. Because current real-world tests: booting windows, loading games, rendering 3D, etc. they focus on the random read. However, measuring how long it takes to install Windows, Microsoft Visual Studio, or a 4-GB PC Game would thoroughly test the Random Write / Latency performance. I think this is a good complementary of our current testing methodology Reply
7Enigma - Thursday, April 02, 2009 - linkThey did test that, see the FarCry 2 installation directory at the end of page 6. Reply
7Enigma - Thursday, April 02, 2009 - linkPage 5, page 5, edit, edit, edit... Reply
Patanjali - Tuesday, March 31, 2009 - linkI don't know if I missed it in the article, but I didn't notice the reason for the degradation.
Is it:
a. Faults in the firmware
b. Faults in the controller
c. Faults in the flash devices themselves, or
d. Progressive increase in the proportion of the SSD blocks that need erasing before rewrite?
To me, it seems that it might be d, especially when using sectors that are small compared to the SSD native block size.
I would be interested to see results for the same tests using 64kB sectors on all drives. For normal files (OS, apps and data), that would increase the space wastage by 8%, but is negligible for multimedia (where the file size is very large compared to the sector size).
I would expect such a change may well produce better overall performance as it would reduce the multiple full block rewrites that result from changes to multiple small files in the same block.
Some rough benchmarking I have done showed a 50% better real world copying of 1GB of files of various sizes between HDD drives compared to using default Vista sector sizes.
If the random write performance is better with larger block sizes, some wastage might be a small price to pay. We have been used to the compromises in using HDDs for so long that compensating for some SSDs downsides should be allowed.
My main interest in using SSDs is for a quiet and cooler Digial Audio Workstation (DAW). I currently have four 150GB WD Raptors making noise and over 40W of heat (requiring more noisy fans). A lot of planning and effort goes into optimising the HDD usage and partitioning.
And now some modern software sampled instruments are hundreds of GB that need fast, responsive storage media. Streaming hundreds of sample streams at once, I would expect HDDs to be spending most of their time seeking. SSDs would seem to be the solution for this, in that they have very short access times, allowing many more accesses per second, coupled with fast read times (to allow getting to the next stream faster). Reading does not seem to have any of the issues giving SSDs bad press.
However, having fast, silent drives for OSs (need multi-boot with one tweaked for audio performance) and projects (which have multiple read streams and simultaneous writes when recording) would complete the quiet profile. Reply
vol7ron - Tuesday, March 31, 2009 - linkNot to put OCZ down as I wish for them to continue to be a contender and to bring on competition (it's good economics), but...
for some reason it just seems like there is a little too much butt-kissing ever since the first article. Granted final points are made, but the first article was so objective and true. If you put out a crap product, then sales should drop. Anand, despite your relations with the manufacturers, if they want to stop sending you products, it's on them.
You can just wait til retail versions to review them, but the truth is the readers are going to side with you and not buy a product they don't know much about. Reply
Tuvok86 - Tuesday, March 31, 2009 - linkyeah I noticed a little butt-kissing going on, but I understand it, since OCZ was totally trashed by Anand regarding the whole Jmicron story so this kind of makes up for it, don't you think?
It's good that OCZ recognised its errors and listened to customers and reviewers, and this has to be acknowledged to them
LinkerX - Tuesday, March 31, 2009 - linkI think OCZ does a good job with customer service and PR, which means a lot coming from a small firm. I decided to buy a vertex drive after reading these reviews because it beat up on the raptor.
I do not mind firmware upgrades etc... as long as the performance keeps improving. Reply
7amood - Monday, March 30, 2009 - linkI am still amazed by your reviews... I just can't ask for more.
Keep it from your heart. Reply
araczynski - Monday, March 30, 2009 - linkvery nice, good to see someone slapping intel around a bit, again. intel may be the cream of the crop right now, but at their prices, that cream can just sit out in the sun for all i care.
looking forward to see how things change/improve when the real sized drives (500+GB) come out. Reply
monoton - Monday, March 30, 2009 - linkHello Anand,
I've read your articles about SSD with great interest and enjoyed the in-depth reviewing very very much.
Now with this update all I asked myself when seeing the headline was: Does it stutter (again)? You do mention random write performance but the maximum latency for random 4kb writes isn't stated at all. You were dwelling on that part so extensively in the other article that I thought it might have been a good idea to have it updated here. Please, pretty please, with sugar on top ;) let us know about it. Why else should we pay the extra cash to get the Intel...
One other thing also: You had a comment in that other article about the method of simulating the "used" drives - did you also fill up the spare blocks this time? Because the comment says, that it would bias the test results towards the Intel drive.
All in all no biggies, and I hope you continue to do these amazing reviews for a long time!
monoton Reply
monoton - Monday, March 30, 2009 - linkBtw. the comment I'm referring to is the top one on pg. 19 of the comments. Reply
mschira - Monday, March 30, 2009 - linkDid you test any SSD directly plugged into the PCI-e slot likethe Fusion-io?
M. Reply
LinkerX - Monday, March 30, 2009 - linkAnandtech has become the go to site since Toms Hardware turned in to junk. Keep up the great work. Reply
JonnyDough - Monday, March 30, 2009 - link"Your words and support are what inspire me to, even today almost 12 years since I started AnandTech, continue to work on things like The SSD Anthology or The RV770 Story. Thank you."
(quote button doesn't work so I just used quotes)
You mean you don't get paid for your articles? Tell the crustacean man to get on it. Reply
Akkuma - Wednesday, April 01, 2009 - linkI recently told my roommate I read AnandTech and have been doing so for years (about 6 or so now). He told me about how he went to high school with him (he is from Raleigh, NC) and was driving Porsches back then, handing out freebies from all the stuff he got to friends, bought his parents a home, etc..
I don't hold it against the guy, but he is making some extremely serious bank from the site when he is one of the original computer hardware review sites. Reply
strikeback03 - Thursday, April 02, 2009 - linkLeast he earned the money. We had people in my HS driving (brand new) Porsches that their parents had bought them. Reply
Bladen - Monday, March 30, 2009 - linkKeep up the good work.
I have always seen this site as the most professional of it's kind. Reply
RyuDeshi - Wednesday, April 01, 2009 - linkI agree. I can never read through an entire THG article.. yet I managed to real almost every last word of multiple SSD articles Anand has posted. Keep up the excellent work! Reply
semo - Monday, March 30, 2009 - link"OCZ and Indilinx want to slot their drive in between the JMicron garbage and the Intel drive"
gold. those scumbags must have set back ssd adoption by years in certain sectors. i still hear the AMD processors are too hot nonsense every once in a while. Reply
AtenRa - Monday, March 30, 2009 - linkIntel X25-M 80GB $4.29
OCZ Vertex 120GB $3.49
OCZ Vertex is 120GB not 80GB ;) Reply
strikeback03 - Tuesday, March 31, 2009 - linkAlso not sure where those prices came from, as cheapest PriceGrabber finds the X25-M 80GB is $359, for $4.49/GB. The Vertex 120GB seems to be the best deal at the moment, at $2.91/GB before rebate, $2.66/GB after. Reply
nubie - Monday, March 30, 2009 - linkNice, these Vertex drives are looking even hotter :)
That Super Talent drive is $108 on Newegg after a mail-in-rebate of $20, if you try to keep your main drive/partition under 30GB it might be the perfect way to speed up your machine.
Keeping media off of the main drive it should be simple to stay under 30GB, even putting games on a different (platter) drive you should see a much faster computing experience. Reply
deputc26 - Monday, March 30, 2009 - linkAnand your SSD coverage has been second to none. I trust your reviews more than anyone elses on the web but it sure would be nice to see real-world power consumption figures for SSDs as this is an important factor in notebooks.
_Nate Reply
gwolfman - Monday, March 30, 2009 - linkGreat followup to the amazing SSD Anthology article. You win in my book. Reply
turrican2097 - Monday, March 30, 2009 - linkI wonder if those JMicrons were low-cost for very specific scenarios, firmware and the like. And then it was the SSD manufacturer that cheaped out.
I wouldn't blame JMicron without investigating Reply
strikeback03 - Tuesday, March 31, 2009 - linkThey probably are OK for some scenarios, but you can still blame the companies for using them in a manner they are not really fit for. If some company started selling 15"+ laptops for several hundred dollars using Atom processors, you wouldn't blame Intel for making the Atom, but the company for misusing it. Reply
Mumrik - Monday, March 30, 2009 - linkPage 3: "The Intel drive can still crunch through over 3.5x the number of IOs per second as the Vertex, but it also costs nearly 2x per GB"
Not true at all according to page 2 where price/GB is 4.29 for Intel and 3.49 for OCZ. That means that the Intel drive costs 23% more than the OCZ - nowhere near 2x. Reply
sideral - Monday, March 30, 2009 - linkAnand,
Unfortunately I had not read about the issue when I read you fantastic article on the Vertex, which made me buy a couple of X-25Ms for my machine.
I contacted Intel through support right now after reading they might have a fix for the issue the drive has under Bootcamp on one of the new Macs with nVidia chipsets. They aren't answering (yet), do you have some color on the fix though ? Reply
inolvidable - Monday, March 30, 2009 - linkI'm following ssd's progression throught your articles. I think they're the next big evolution in computer performance so I have much interest on them Reply
The0ne - Monday, March 30, 2009 - linkimo, flash memory is going to be pretty big this year and the coming years. I'm already anticipating very high capacity flash memory since the technology is already there to push it up to 2TB. It's just a matter of time, cost and market to be able to get to those levels. As for SSD I think it's picking up but not as quickly as most had hoped for, myself included. And again, IMO, I think SSD technology is still in the infant stages where there are still lots of improvements to be made. Speed (write/read) and capacities are the two major ones of course. Reply
iwod - Monday, March 30, 2009 - linkIt seems Samsung's Controller wont be that good at all. At least from the look of it, it will be worst then Vertex's one.
Which is strange since they are the largest Flash manufacture in the world. Does it make sense to develop the best SSD conrtoller to improve Flash sales? Reply
siuba - Monday, March 30, 2009 - linkit seems slow peroformance on intel x25-m, i can get 38xxx PCMark Vantage HDD Score after HDD Erase, but the overall i can say vertex can outperformance x25-m Reply
duploxxx - Monday, March 30, 2009 - link2 very nice articles regarding ssd, although i am not so convinced what to buy, ocz or intel one, since both have similar performance in real world apps i believe it is more a price discussion.
the one thing i miss in both reviews, is the failure rates, the burn in rate and the way they prevent the burn in by more capacity then rated, write, mixture, etc.....
Afterall that is one of the main reason why many large storage vendors are still offering this solution as a second line-up (except for the prcie/gb offcourse and the issue that few of those disks kill there global controller performance)
any news on that part and new enhancements in the future. Reply
Denithor - Monday, March 30, 2009 - linkPage 3 - midway down the page - you refer to 'firmware 0112' - should be 0122 (several instances in one paragraph). Reply
andreschmidt - Monday, March 30, 2009 - linkJust as I were on the fence to try out the Intel X25-M I hear rumblings of their Solid State Drive roadmap.
Would be a real shame to buy the relatively pricey X25-M 80GB ($481 in Denmark) only to see it replaced in the next month or two by an even better product by Intel.
Good follow-up article though.
7Enigma - Wednesday, April 01, 2009 - linkWith this latest firmware update I would not be pulling the trigger on the Intel drive. Unless there are some serious defects with the latest Vertex firmware, 2 drives in RAID0 have to be superior in performance, not to mention the extra capacity.
I would definitely wait, but not for the Intel drive, but rather for the confirmation the latest firmware for the Vertex is solid. Reply
strikeback03 - Thursday, April 02, 2009 - linkDunno, that difference in random writes (1st graph page 3) seems more than RAID would help. Combine that with the face that I have never had a good experience with onboard RAID and never seen it make a large difference in real-life timing, if Intel dropped their price to something closer to the OCZ I'd rather stich to a single drive (though the fact that Intel doesn't really have a drive capacity that suits my needs well doesn't help either). Reply
IntelUser2000 - Monday, March 30, 2009 - linkIt wouldn't be 1-2 months for the next generation Intel SSD drives. The previous SSD roadmaps indicate the 34nm SSDs at Q4 of this year. We might see the rumored 120MB/s firmware for X25-M though. Whether it can be updated to support the older firmware drives is another question. Reply
IntelUser2000 - Monday, March 30, 2009 - linkEhem, 120MB/s writes. Reply
Dennis Travis - Monday, March 30, 2009 - linkThanks SO MUCH for your update on the who SSD situation. Things seem to be looking up! Great Job. Keep em coming! :D
zonteck - Monday, March 30, 2009 - linkyes i have to agree, this updating on the ssd situation has been invaluable to me too. you hear good things on the forums about the new firmwares and it's so good to see you share how things have changed even since last week. Reply
Mastakilla - Monday, March 30, 2009 - linkHi!
Great article once more!!
Looking at the price / performance ratio of the Intel and Vertex does leave 1 interesting question open:
how does a RAID 0 of Vertex drives compare to a single Intel (in price it is about the same)
Also interesting to invest is the compability between SSDs and RAID controllers (I have read about issues between non-Intel SSDs and the Intel based RAID controllers (like most Arecas))
Keep up the good work! Reply
7Enigma - Wednesday, April 01, 2009 - linkShould destroy the Intel drive in all real-world tests. All it takes is to look at a single Vertex drive with the new firmware to see it is within ~1 second load time, and already significantly faster with copying larger files. Honestly, Intel should be scared to death of this bugger, or else they realize they milked the teat for as long as possible without competition, and can now drop the price inline with OCZ and Supertalent. Reply
Hauk - Monday, March 30, 2009 - linkSome two weeks ago I reports that Super Talent had an Indilinix based drive on the market. Was surprised at the lack of information. Nice to finally see details surfacing. A product with such potential has been poorly marketed to this point in my opinion.
Props to OCZ for their work in getting Vertex up to speed. Many have been critical that they rushed the product to market. Yea it sucks that flashing destroys data; but look at mobo manufacturers. We should be used to bug fixes through firmware updates. Intel needed some form of competition.. good for everyone.
I flashed my Vertex 60GB to 1275 without issue. It's a simple process. Would like to see instructions on something other than a forum post however. How about a .pdf to accompany the files.. Reply
Eri Hyva - Monday, March 30, 2009 - linkHow about
Two links there:
Vertex Firmware Update and
Firmware Install Guide (pdf-file) Reply
Hauk - Monday, March 30, 2009 - linkNice! Reply
Nickel020 - Monday, March 30, 2009 - linkThanks for the update!
One thing I missed in your articles though is alignment and its importance for performance. The drives ship with a partition on it and it's supposed to be aligned, but the partition on my drive seems to be off, as I only got about 195/75 MB/s read/write max on ATTO when it was "new" and like 105/35 MB/s now that it is "used". I have yet to re-install the drive and properly align it, but either I have a defective drive or this is caused by alignment, making proper alignment extremely important. I'm on the 0122 FW btw.
Another thing I missed is RAID1, you do not mention it at all. You can basically get 2 Super Talent 60GB drives for the price of an Intel 80GB and use them in RAID1. This will still have lower random 4KB performance, but the increased performance in many other areas should be dramatically higher than the Intel's.
I have never used RAID1 though, but I would love to hear your opinion on this, as I'm considering getting a second 60GB OCZ. Reply
Nickel020 - Monday, March 30, 2009 - linkI meant RAID0 of course, that stuff always gets me confused... Reply
Shinshin - Monday, March 30, 2009 - linkSeems that the speed is limited by the chip as stated in their website 230MB/s read and 170MB/s write.
I'm looking forward their next-gen chip which will support sata v3 and will have 500MB/s throughput (!) by the end of 2009.
(btw, they have a great website IMO...)
punjabiplaya - Monday, March 30, 2009 - linkI'm sure you're also going to give mass exposure and some amazing feedback to a small company like Indilinx and hopefully they can gather more resources (people/money) and further improve their products. And pointing out Jmicron's "garbage" (haha). Dhanvyavaad. Reply
gwolfman - Monday, March 30, 2009 - linkGreat point, I agree 100% Reply
MarchTheMonth - Monday, March 30, 2009 - linkwell, I have definitely enjoyed your articles, but the excessive outpouring is most likely the /. effect as I'm sure you're quite aware of now.
Cheers. Reply
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Introducing Seagate's 7200.9: The New Generationby Purav Sanghani on 10/10/2005 9:00 AM EST
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PitBrz - Monday, October 17, 2005 - link7200.9 New King !!!
HDTach average read: 63,6 MB/s
RAID0 2x160GB TecBench: Average 115 MB/s, Max 143 MB/s, min 68 MB/s
mariush - Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - linkWhat's with all the ©Seagate Confidential texts on the images ? Reply
blwest - Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - linkI didn't really find this article useful. No benchmarks. I could have gotten this information from seagate's website.... Reply
SnowyEnigma - Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - linkI just bought 3 400g 7200.8! Reply
flatblastard - Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - linkI'm liking the specs of the 300GB model, can't wait to get my hands on one.
I've been hoping Seagate would take on the 10k rpm market, but, oh well. Hopefully, this will be the last generation of the 7200.x line. I don't wanna see 7200.10 until I see 10000.x first! Reply
techspeed - Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - linkwhy the avg seektime 11ms compared to 8.5ms in early models? Reply
JarredWalton - Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - linkOn Seagate's site, all of the 7200.8 and .9 drives look like they list 11 ms for the seek time. The 7200.7 all list 8.5 ms. However, this may be a difference in measured times. I believe the 7200.7 do not include rotational latency, which is 4.16 ms at 7200 RPM. I guess we'll have to wait for the benchmarks, but I think the .8 and .9 are supposed to seek faster. Reply
Adamv1 - Monday, October 10, 2005 - linkcut the guys some slack, personaly i just started seeing these show up recently and have been on the search for info on them and at the moment its fairly hard to find any. this will at least give me some new info to chew on while the reviews are in progress. Reply
Mumrik - Monday, October 10, 2005 - linkNice advert...
Why the hell did you post it in the "Latest Reviews" section? Reply
JarredWalton - Monday, October 10, 2005 - linkFor the same reason we post tradeshows and other articles there. We really only have the short "Insider Stories" and longer "Reviews". "Reviews" can really be previews, major product releases (I think this qualifies), reports from tradeshows or other trips, etc. Buyer's Guides and Price Guides, for example, aren't "reviews" either. Reply
ksherman - Monday, October 10, 2005 - linkand i just bought a 400GB Seagate... oh well. Reply
Live - Monday, October 10, 2005 - linkThe sound info from Seagate is so obvious bull. And also the comments regretfully often found here @ AT:
Combine this with the hum of case and heat sink fans, and the hard drive is basically silent.
A sound being drowned out does not make it silent. And assuming that everybody uses 8 delta case fans at full speed and thus does not care about the sound from hard drives, PSUs and graphic cards is just plain stupid in my opinion. With today's water cooling and heat pipe technologies a lot of people are turning to the silent side. A hard drive in my system is one of the noisiest components.
Don't know what I am commenting tough, I thought I clicked an article but it turned out to be nothing more then an advert. Leave this kind of info for the news section and be an independent hardware site that you usually do so well. Reply
segagenesis - Monday, October 10, 2005 - linkWell thats somewhat obvious, and my experience with Seagate dictates they havent been as quiet as the old Barracuda IV was. Those drives *were* basically silent, you could almost never hear them... even if they were under load. Reply
andyc - Monday, October 10, 2005 - linkHow would the Seagate's new line compare with the Western Digital's:
"Western Digital Caviar RE2 400GB 7200RPM SATA 16MB 8.7"
"Western Digital Caviar SE16 400GB 7200RPM SATA 16MB 8.9MS"
"Western Digital Caviar SE16 250GB 7200RPM SATA2 16MB 8.9MS"
I've had nothing but good experiences with Western Digital...but I might turn over to Seagate if they turn out to be more superb. Reply
coldpower27 - Monday, October 10, 2005 - link
The Seagate line I think matches the Western Digital line very well.
It has less platters at 400GB capacity, 3x133 Design vs WD 4x100 design and less platters at 250GB 2x125 vs WD 3x83. Seagate has SATA2 from 80GB-500GB, where WD is limited to 120GB to 250GB for their SATA2 drives, only downfall is that to get the 16MB buffer is only available at 300GB & higher for Seagate, where WD has a single model SATA2 drive with 16MB Buffer the 250GB model, the other 120GB to 250GB drives are like Seagate limited to 8MB buffer. Seagates 80GB to 250GB for 8MB is competitive. Plus seektime is 8.5ms. Plus for Seagate their drives get a 5 Year Warranty, not like WD which only get 5 Years on it's RE and Raptors lines I believe and 3 Years on the rest. Reply
coldpower27 - Monday, October 10, 2005 - link
Is the Seagate 7200.9 16MB 300GB 3x100 or 2x150 with the advent of 160GB Platter technology from Seagate. Reply
tomoyo - Monday, October 10, 2005 - linkIf you look at the table of specs, you'll notice the 300GB has the same wattage as the smaller models including the 1 platter(12.4/12.8/7.2 watts). Also it's got the same acoustics as the smaller models of 2.5 idle and 2.8 seek. The larger 400/500 models have slightly higher wattage and 2.8 idle/3.2 seek. This leads me to strongly believe that the 300GB model is also a 2 platter design using 150GB a platter...and is therefore slightly short stroked on a 160GB platter. I hope I'm proven right, because assuming it's a reasonably quiet drive...it's definitely the one I WANT! Looks like a candidate for the best drive with the features of quiet, a decent amount of storage, SATA 2.5 and a 5 year warranty! Reply
coldpower27 - Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - linkYeah I hope so to, I am so far fond of the 2 platter design drives. I don't really want to a larger number of platters if unecessary. Reply
JarredWalton - Monday, October 10, 2005 - linkI believe it's 3x100GB. It might also be 3x133, but only using five heads (i.e. 2.5 platters). Actually, 5 heads seems more likely, but I don't know for sure.
There are a few specific platter sizes that are common. Right now, those are (as far as I know):
60GB (old and on the way out, if not gone already)
80GB (fading fast)
100GB (still in production, but diminishing over time)
120/125GB (Relatively new; different brands might go one way or the other)
133GB (only a slight bump from 120/125, really - still new. Some "failed" platters might be formatted for 120/125GB)
160GB (brand new starting with certain Seagate 7200.9)
There is variance to a degree within those sizes. I think some of the 250GB drives, for example, use 133GB platters that are downgraded to 125GB capacity. Reply
semo - Monday, October 10, 2005 - linkwhy don't some hdd maker sticks 2-3gb of flash memory to a 200gb something hdd.
i don't even have to list the possibilities of such a solution, do i? Reply
PuravSanghani - Monday, October 10, 2005 - linkSamsung and Microsoft are actually working on a Hybrid notebook drive which uses OneNAND flash memory currently manufacturered by Samsung itself. The drive, which is still in the development stage, is said to reduce battery use among the speed increases. Google "samsung hybrid" and you shall see.
Purav Sanghani Reply
semo - Monday, October 10, 2005 - linkno, thank you.
semo Reply
Spacecomber - Monday, October 10, 2005 - linkI guess I was expecting something more in an Anandtech article than what apparently is just a summary of a press briefing.
Maybe this article needs to have a title that clearly designates it for what it is. Reply
cryptonomicon - Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - linkThey should add some sort of suffix to all reviews that are really product briefings that just lets you know immediatly that it is mainly MFG information. Reply
JNo - Monday, October 10, 2005 - linkI appreciate that this is manufacturer info rather than independent review but I for one would prefer to know that such a drive is just around the corner and be able to wait rather than shell out for a 7800.8 drive and regret the timing of the purchase. Don't worry, I'll take the manufacturer info & stats with a grain of salt... I can handle it... Reply
ss284 - Monday, October 10, 2005 - linkAgreed. The article states:
"In the next few weeks we will be looking at the performance of the 500GB 16MB SATA model of the 7200.9. We'll put it through our usual synthetic, simulated, and real world tests, and we'll compare it not only to the 400GB 7200.8, but also to some older drives like the 120GB 7200.8 as well as Maxtor's and Hitachi's higher capacity drives."
Why didnt they release this article after they did this testing? Obviously they have this drive in their hands already, and theres no NDA. This article should be a flash advertisement on the side of the page instead of a full fledged article. Reply
JarredWalton - Monday, October 10, 2005 - link"Introducing Seagate's 7200.9: The New Generation"
Introducing at least to me implies that it's not a review. We (Purav) have the parts on order and will be testing ASAP. The NDA lifted today, and we did not have product in house beforehand. To me, at least - since I've bought quite a few Seagate drives in the past year - the new lineup is important enough to warrant an article of its own. Reply
bhtooefr - Monday, October 10, 2005 - linkIf 4 133GB platters give 532GB, then why not use 4 160GB platters, and get 640GB, and leapfrog Hitachi?
You can use four platters.
You have 160GB platters.
Why not do it, and say you've got 600GB before Hitachi? Reply
coldpower27 - Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - link
I think Seagate is comfortable, in thier position of tied for first place, we will probably see a Hitachi 600GB based on the 5 platter design again of 120GB Before we see Seagate match that with a 4x150GB design. Also the other Drive manufacturers need to catch up to this level, namely Wester Digital and Maxtor. Reply
Calin - Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - linkThey are now the king of the size, and they will wait until Hitachi launch something bigger until they will launch the 640GB drive.
Calin Reply
JarredWalton - Monday, October 10, 2005 - linkThe tech to run 160GB platters is new. Right now, they 160GB platter is only being used in the 80GB and 160GB drives, which is telling. I would have thought a 240GB and 320GB would also use the new platters, but that's probably a future product. Reply
coldpower27 - Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - linkAlso you got to not that Seagate may not want to dilute thier product line with intermidates such as 240GB & 320GB drives. Since noe one has made 240GB drives and only WD to my knowledge has 320GB drives.
With 200GB to 250GB, & 300 to 400GB. Reply
Marlin1975 - Monday, October 10, 2005 - linkbut what about performance? The slowwest part of a system is the hard drive. I need speed, not 500gigs that only a few will really use daily. I have a pile of shows and movies but that is what DVD's are for. I need speed to make my system run faster. I guess I will stick with my 15K 36gig master boot drive and another one for backup.
Maybe hard drive makers will get it one day. Seems WD is the only one to address that for desktops so far? Reply
xsilver - Monday, October 10, 2005 - linkis there some kind of raid array that will allow 3,5,10 drives to be merged as one?
seek times wouldnt improve but transfer rates might if the drives could intelligently split up singular file transfers into chunks for each drive... or is that some crazy idea i just dreamed up? ;) (4x 200gb drives stiped would be relativly cost effective compared to 4x or more raptors)
also 16mb buffers seem a bit low for the latest gen drives, 32/64 would be nice for the 300-500gb models.
and I think large cheap drives is where the moneys at now, cant blame seagate for attacking that front. Reply
joex444 - Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - linkit's a dream. you can't merge RAID arrays.
However, RAID50 exists. Now, this might be backwards, but: 6 drives. Make RAID5 array w/ 3 drives; make another RAID5 array w/ other 3 drives; make a RAID0 array with 2 RAID5 arrays. So, if you wrote 4 blocks of data, 2 go to RAID5-A, 2 go to RAID5-B.
As far as fault protection, if one drive goes, it's ok. If two drives go it matters from which RAID5 array. From the same array, the whole thing is gone, from different arrays, it's no problem. 3 drives is certain doom, though. Reply
ceefka - Monday, October 10, 2005 - link
also 16mb buffers seem a bit low for the latest gen drives, 32/64 would be nice for the 300-500gb models
More seems tempting. The test with tha 250GB Maxtor showed that streaming likes big buffers.
What kind of RAM is that buffer anyway? Is it ordinairy SDRAM? What would a buffersize > 16MB do? Is there a theoretical maximum and/or sweet spot in relation to the read/write capacity? Reply
xsilver - Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - linkI think hdd's use a one chip ram solution, around 5ns is common
the thing you have to note is that a normal ram is an 8 chip solution for single sided ram
that's why 64mb is probably the highest they could go economically
and isnt the problem with using flash ram in a hybid the problem of lifespan? nand flash rates at 1 million writes/reads as mtbf? thats probably not enough for a hdd? Reply
Xenoterranos - Monday, October 10, 2005 - linkIf you have a ton of HUMONGO filed, say, the complete season of everything volumes 1-100, in Divx, partition the drive in NTFS with a 16mb allocation size, and your data will FLY, especially if the allocation size matches the buffer (or am I spouting off crackpot science?)
geoff2k - Monday, October 10, 2005 - linkGoogling ST3300622AS already gets a few hits, but no one appears to have any in stock -- when can we expect these at retailers?
(Prices so far for the 300 GB SATA are 243 CAD$, 211 US$, 203 US$). Reply
cryptonomicon - Monday, October 10, 2005 - link"as you cab guess from the name, "
first paragraph Reply
ElFenix - Monday, October 10, 2005 - link"in their 400GB version drive at 133GB per square inch. "
unless platers are 1/2 of a sq. inch per side, which i doubt, this statement is wrong.
i'm still having trouble understanding why this isn't in news, rather than a front page article. Reply
JarredWalton - Monday, October 10, 2005 - linkIt's not a review, it's an announcement of a new product which we feel many people will find interesting. If I were about ready to spend $100 on a 250GB drive, I'd sure like to know that Seagate has just released their 7200.9 series. This is an introduction to the technology, and an explanation about what has changed. The 16 MB cache models are certainly noteworthy, and all indicators are that the new drives will at worst match the old 7200.7/.8 Seagate models.
Price is the only thing I would worry about. If the 250GB 7200.9 costs $150 vs. $100, I probably wouldn't bother. Right now, http://labs.anandtech.com/search.php?q=seagate+160...">prices on the 160GB models are in favor of the new 7200.9. The remaining http://labs.anandtech.com/search.php?q=7200.9">7200.9 drives in our RTPE may or may not be worth consideration. $380 for the 500GB is more than I'm willing to pay for a single drive. Reply
cryptonomicon - Monday, October 10, 2005 - linkargh forget it. i guess i just want to see the reviews perfect for the sake of keeping anandtech the best it can be, so even though a typo doesn't affect the real content of an article (but it still devalues it) Reply
joex444 - Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - linkThis is true. If this was my first visit and I hadn't read articles here before, the typos really just make the author and the site appear ignorant. People in general, atleast ones that know the correct way, tend to stop reading things if they are written improperly; they just look like a child wrote it. Reply
SpaceRanger - Monday, October 10, 2005 - linkI wouldn't call it a review. Read more like a commercial for Seagate. Reply
Xenoterranos - Monday, October 10, 2005 - linkYou know what. Anandtech has never posted any news that has ever been considered "out of touch". They're reviews are as unbiased as reviews can be without being written by cold, unfeeling machines. If Anadtech decided that these segate drives were good enough to give a free comercial too, then thats the best kind of marketing isn't it? I remember back in the day when a 40gig was huge, I called a local dealer and asked them for the cheapest 40gig they had. The guy said "We'll, that would be a Ninja [something], but I wouldn't recommened that unless you want to come back tomorrow and call in the warranty." Ok, that was a but off topic. Long live the Queen, free tibet, and all that jazz. Reply
PuravSanghani - Monday, October 10, 2005 - linkI would actually call this an article detailing Seagate's official introduction of the 7200.9 line. As far as purchasing these drives go, they have shipped in the last few weeks and are in stock at many places already.
As we mentioned in the article, we will be providing benchmarks of the 500GB version of the 7200.9 within the next few weeks.
Purav Sanghani Reply
ATWindsor - Monday, October 10, 2005 - link"The lowest amount of sound audible by human ears is 26 decibels, so the idle noise output is borderline inaudible to our ears"
This seems to be taken from the info Seagate has published, unfotantly it is not correct. The db(p)-scale has it reference at the human hearing threshold. In other words, the human hearing threshold is 0 db. (although there obivously are individual differences, and background noise rarly is under 15 db). Reply
PuravSanghani - Monday, October 10, 2005 - linkLooking at the charts, we meant to say 2.5, 2.6, 2.8, and 3.2 bels. The numbers have been fixed to match the slides from Seagate. Reply
ATWindsor - Monday, October 10, 2005 - linkI see you also added "according to seagate" which is good. Reply
JarredWalton - Monday, October 10, 2005 - link2.6 bels is of course the same as 26 decibels. (deci = 1/10)
That said, people claiming that 26 dB is not quite probably are going by advertising numbers rather than reality. I have an SPL (Sound Pressure Level) guage, and 26 dB is extremely quiet. I can still hear it, but a room with no noise in it ranges from 24 to 30 dB. A car driving by outside makes about 40 to 45 dB of noise.
The problem is that if you trus the noise levels from computer hardware manufacturers, you might actually believe that your PSU, fans, HDD, etc. only put out 26 dB of noise. I've got a case with three "26 dB" fans, plus a "28 dB" PSU. Anyone want to guess at the real noise level? I won't keep you in suspense; at 1 meter form the case, the actual measured noise level is 48 dB, FAR higher than the rating of any of the components. Multiple fans plays a part, but even a single "26 dB" fan still came up with a 38 dB rating on my SPL.
I would agree mostly with Seagate's claim that 26 dB (2.6 Bels) is below the threshold of human hearing. A device putting out 26 dB at a distance of one foot would be inaudible at a range of 10 feet, that's for sure. (Unless you have dog hearing....) Whether or not that's how Seagate rated their drives, though, I can't say. Reply
ATWindsor - Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - linkFirst of all, a room with "no noise" is much more quiet than 24-30 db, it just that you are used to the background noise. a 26 db fan at one feet is around 15-16 db at 10 feet, which is a clearly adible sound that too (this i have measured in an anecoic room). However, in most rooms the background noise would mask it. 26 db is quiet, but its far from inaudible. Reply
JarredWalton - Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - linkWe don't live in sound-proof environments, though. While it may not be truly silent, an empty house without any noise from neighbors or traffic is still going to have a background noise level above 20 dB. If something is below the background noise level for a house, I'm willing to call it "silent" - even if it isn't technically dead silent. I guess that's a difference of opinion, though. Reply
JarredWalton - Monday, October 10, 2005 - link"26 dB is not quite" should be "26 dB is not quiet". Still need that edit function.... grumble. Reply
DRavisher - Monday, October 10, 2005 - linkIndeed. Though I doubt anyone can accurately detect even a 1dB sound :). Reply
ATWindsor - Monday, October 10, 2005 - linkThat of course, can be discussed, but most people would easily detect 26 db, or 20 for that matter. And saying that 29 db is "barly audible" is a far strech IMHO. Reply
DRavisher - Monday, October 10, 2005 - linkI agree. You can certainly hear 20dB+ sounds. Especially if you were to set up a completely closed environment (no background noise that is). Reply
Xenoterranos - Monday, October 10, 2005 - linkOK, there's a period there. they said 2.6 thats "2 point 6" Reply
DRavisher - Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - linkThey said 2.6 bels, which equalts (does it not?) 26 decibels (dB). Reply
Tiamat - Monday, October 10, 2005 - linkAgreed. At 2AM (when I am sleeping with my computer idle 10 feet away) I can hear its 28dB and its not very quiet. I would say in the dead of night, a computer would have to be roughly 18dB to be considered unhearable above typical background noise.
However, there seems to be a mix-up between Sound power and Sound Pressure - two totally different entities.
ATWindsor - Monday, October 10, 2005 - linkThe best would be if they reported sound power, as sound pressure depends the enviroment, and the power is constand for a given sound source (and you can calculte the pressure at a given distance in a given room). But it's almost the pressure who is given in computer-components. And the ear "hears pressure" so for the hearing its more useful to talk about the pressure. Reply
jkostans - Monday, October 10, 2005 - linkWhat do HD manufacturers call 1,000,000,000 bytes a GB? Reply
ATWindsor - Monday, October 10, 2005 - linkBecause the SI-system (which is centuries old), clearly defines Giga as 1 000 000 000. The fact that some software doesn't follow the standard can't be blaimed on the HD-manufactureres. Reply
rendezvous - Monday, October 10, 2005 - linkBecause the SI-system (which is centuries old)
Centuries as in from 1960?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SI">Le Système International d'Unités @ Wikipedia Reply
ATWindsor - Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - linkThe modern version of the metric system is from the 1060s, so i guess i was abit unclear, however, the metric system itself, which the SI-system is built upon is fomr the 18th century.
JarredWalton - Monday, October 10, 2005 - linkBasically, the problem is that KB, MB, and later GB, TB, etc. all came from ealy computing days, where 2^10 was close enough to 1000 that they abbreviated it to KB. Later on, SI came into being and really got pissy about the use of "Kilo" for "1024" rather than "1000". The hard drive manufacturers are of course using the multiples of 1000 because it makes their product look better. Why say 93.13 GB when you can say 100 GB?
SI later proposed the "kibi, mibi, gibi, etc." prefixes to get around the discrepancy. In reality, few companies are using these terms at present. That may change in the future, but in truth most people don't care. We mention this discrepancy more so that people are aware of why the difference is there than to place blame. Reply
jkostans - Monday, October 10, 2005 - linkSo you're saying windows reports "gibibytes" not gigabytes? Reply
ATWindsor - Monday, October 10, 2005 - linkCorrect Reply
geoff2k - Monday, October 10, 2005 - linkSo they can make smaller drives?
Well, that and:
http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html">http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html Reply
Zar0n - Monday, October 10, 2005 - linkI have one 7200.7 SATA, so far no problems but seek noise is loud, I was waiting for 7800.9 to get one 500GB drive.
Please make some acoustic tests when u review 7800.9.
Also with NCQ ON/Off, the 7200.7 sometimes was slower with NCQ ON.
Bench with Maxtor, WD, Hitachi and Samsung drives would be nice.
Lifted - Monday, October 10, 2005 - linkHopefully this will bring down the price of the 500GB drives a bit. Running out of space for TV shows, and I already have a couple 400's and 250. Anybody find a RAID-5 external enclosure yet that holds 3 or more drives? I've been looking for one for a while now. I'm getting nervous with all my stuff not being RAID or backed up. Reply
Visual - Monday, October 10, 2005 - linkUm, the hotplug/hotswap feature sounds interesting, is it supported on any of the integraded sata controllers? I know my nforce4 has some "safely remove hardware" icon for my drive, but im quite sure the hdd doesnt support such a maneuver. Its quite confusing... Reply


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Rosewill Line-M Case Review: Wherefore Art Thou Micro-ATX?by Dustin Sklavos on 2/26/2013 12:01 AM EST
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paulshardware - Tuesday, February 26, 2013 - link"...there's really no way to not do a messy job with this case, though, so keep that in mind."
I beg to differ!
- Paul Reply
Dustin Sklavos - Tuesday, February 26, 2013 - linkIt's a little shady to promote your own reviews on someone else's review. Reply
beemeup - Tuesday, February 26, 2013 - linkI think he was just trying to make a point that even small enclosures can look tidy with modest effort. Though I suppose posting a picture would've sufficed all the same.
I still prefer video reviews though. They help you get a better "feel" for the case in a way that pictures alone just don't do. Reply
CeriseCogburn - Tuesday, February 26, 2013 - linkAnyone notice there's a giant gaping cutout for the motherboard ? (in the video vs in the review the whine there is not hole for cpu hs mounting)
No of course not, you're all too busy complaining and moaning.
I started reading the review and though what a spoiled brat bad mouther of a review it is.
So if it is the same case, expect either a cutout or not. I will say I've seen this type of thing occur, as you don't always get what you order.
God forbid one would have to use screws to mount 5.25 bay items...
I mean this case is no where near barebones, nor as barebones as it gets.
SPOILED WHINING BRATS - that's what I see and hear. Reply
uditrana - Wednesday, April 24, 2013 - linkCalm Down.
I doubt anyone will respond but what Corsair PSU were you referring to. I would like to get it but m confused in the sea of PSU's Reply
WeaselITB - Tuesday, February 26, 2013 - linkI don't really see it as that much neater, anyway. He routed the 12v line a little different and doesn't have a graphics card with two power plugs hanging out in the middle of the case, which makes a big difference in terms of appearance.
-Weasel Reply
CeriseCogburn - Tuesday, February 26, 2013 - linkWhy the blue case fan the review whines....
Because all the little crazy PC brainwashed idiots on every website in the world squeal it must be BLACK and any leds are preferred BLUE.
That's why, we have a populace of lemmings and parrots who think they are in with cool as their personal tastes are declared completely in line with the "popular cool" line of total frikkin BS for no reason pop culture stupidity.
Black makes it very difficult to see and assemble, and with all the assembling WHINES in every freaking direction, one would think the idiot masses could choose another color more in line iwth correcting their constant complaints.
But no, BLACK is "cool" no matter what, and BLUE must be the LED color.
There you have it, the RETARDS of the world on fire for their proclaimed "personal preference" which is nothing more than an absolutely thoughtless regurgitation of the pop culture.
That's why "amd fanboyism" has been and is the scourge it is as well, too.
Ricadan - Sunday, March 03, 2013 - linkWhy do you have to be such a damn supremacist? Just because some people may think blue LEDs on what is clearly an office-style case is ridiculous, that makes them a mindless sheep? Just because your opinions are different than what is popular, doesn't give you the right to feel superior. People have different opinions, deal with it.
Also, why would you use the Fan LEDs to light the case up while assembling rather than just working in a well lit area? Reply
Ilias78 - Friday, March 01, 2013 - linkHe did a 10x times better cable management on that little case than you will ever do. Instead of criticizing the man, how about getting better at your work? Reply
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Retrophe - Tuesday, February 26, 2013 - linkNot a bad case. Would be fun to mod with a small window, sound deadening and better fans.
Nice review as always.
Oh and nice wiring job Paul! Reply
iTzSnypah - Tuesday, February 26, 2013 - linkIf you casually look at cases on newegg by number of reviews (and thus purchases), all the top reviewed cases have LED fans. AKA people are attracted to bright lights.
It's weird though as the Rosewill's Line (ATX version) is offered in both LED and non-LED versions.
My only gripe with this case besides it's price is that I hate stacked side fan vents, I would much rather have horizontal ones. Reply
DanNeely - Tuesday, February 26, 2013 - linkThe non-LED version is probably intended for the same (business) customers who want the padlock loop on the back. It's a trivial alternative to let them target two markets at once. Reply
ahar - Tuesday, February 26, 2013 - linkI think the title would make more sense if wherefore meant where. Reply
beemeup - Tuesday, February 26, 2013 - linkYeah, wherefore means "why" and not "where" as most people would think.
It's a very deceptive word. Reply
Silverkinggames - Tuesday, February 26, 2013 - linkReally? So when Shakespeare wrote "Wherefore art thou Romeo?" Juliet was asking Why he was named Romeo and not where Romeo is? I understand this is a tech site but you may want to expand your knowledge some to understand the reference of the title. Reply
A5 - Tuesday, February 26, 2013 - linkYes, asking "why" he is Romeo is EXACTLY what she was doing.
If he were not Romeo Monatgue, their relationship would not have any barriers or complications.
You should really learn the material before making fun of other people for not knowing it. Even the most basic reading of it would have taught you this. Reply
thermopyle2 - Tuesday, February 26, 2013 - linkActually, Juliet wasn't asking why he was named Romeo, but why he IS Romeo. Basically her question was about why Romeo had to be who he is, instead of somebody not in a family hers opposed. "Romeo, Romeo, wherefore art thou Romeo?" was a lament about her heart's poor choices, and the family he unfortunately belonged to.
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/262200.html Reply
adityanag - Tuesday, February 26, 2013 - link"I understand this is a tech site but you may want to expand your knowledge some to understand the reference of the title. "
Indeed.. you might even want to read Romeo & Juliet. It is why, not where.
This line made me laugh out loud. Silverkinggames, there is an expression that is extremely apt: "Hoist by his own petard"
:D Reply
Sweepster - Tuesday, February 26, 2013 - linkType in wherefore in Google and you get:
For what reason: "she took an ill turn, but wherefore I cannot say".
As a result of which: "truly he cared for me, wherefore I title him with all respect".
So I believe an apology is in order here. Reply
Sweepster - Tuesday, February 26, 2013 - linkFurthermore, two seconds of research will bring you this:
The 'wherefore' here means why rather than where. What Juliet is asking, in allusion to the feud between her Capulet family and Romeo's Montague clan, is 'Romeo, why are you a Montague?'. Their love is impossible because of their family names and she asks him to change his allegiance, or else she will change hers. Reply
rangerdavid - Tuesday, February 26, 2013 - linkThanks - I was going to point this out, as an English Lit snob, but you got there first.
Juliet says this to bemoan the fact that the guy she loves is Romeo, and not someone else - "Why are you Romeo (...and not some other guy down the street who's family doesn't want to kill mine)"
Not "where are you." She's not looking for him, she's complaining about falling in love with the wrong guy.
The more you know! Reply
rRansom - Tuesday, February 26, 2013 - linkThat's why I don't like Romeo and Juliet - or Shakespeare in general. Reply
sjakti - Tuesday, February 26, 2013 - linkAt first I thought the author indeed meant "Wherefore", as that could make sense too if the author questioned why it was micro-ATX. I don't think that was his intention. Reply
cjs150 - Tuesday, February 26, 2013 - linkWould be a better title for this article because this is a case that time forgot. It is simply a retread of a late 1990s design.
It is very cheap, it does not do a bad job in will do fine for the vast majority of people.
But if you read Anandtech you are not the vast majority of people. As far as I am concerned the best M-atx case is the Siverstone 08, sure it is a lot more expensive and not perfect (a bit more width to allow sound proofing as well as cable management would help). The silverstone is what Anandtech readers should buy (I also have a soft spot for Fractal design mni arc).
My problem fwith case design is that there has been no real innovation for years - moving PSU from top to bottom does not count. Lian Li have experimented a bit as have Silverstone but the rest keep with the same designs.
How about a design with the following features:
1. Hinges not notched panels: Dustin is right about this
2. Width so side panels have proper sound dampening but also room for cabling
3. More experimenting with PSU placement, I like the idea of 90 degrees to current method, but need to be convinced.
4. More thought about isolating PSU from case for vibration
5. Oprical drives need noise dampening and vibration isolation as well.
6. More use of grooves in back of motherboard panel to direct cabling and lots of points to attach cable ties to.
7. Fewer hard drive cages
8. Bring back the supports for the GPU Reply
CeriseCogburn - Tuesday, February 26, 2013 - linkI find the stark contrast between the WHINING of the "luxury item" titan $999 brand spanking new awesome nVidia card, and the COMPLAINING about this mid range tiny case simply amazing.
In the first case the BRATS can't comprehend nor condone the price, nor do they, any of them, save a few, in 300 comments, desire it for gaming at the price.
In this case, it's not good enough - so some will go waste $100 or more (above or beyond this one's price) on some tiny case they can "feel good about". What a waste in comparison when an extra unneeded $100 is blown away on a feel good whim ( probably more than once so $200 or more ) - then the claimed extra $200 for the $999 Titan is the biggest sin in the world...
So you get the usb extension to the front, that's a bonus, too, like the toolless drive mounting.
Another luxury item others will call low end garbage then waste away their build dollars and scream about $5 $10 or $20 $50 or $200 on some (Titan or other) vid card they can't codnone or stomach the few bucks or few hundred extra they already WASTED. Reply
beemeup - Tuesday, February 26, 2013 - linkMy favorite Micro-ATX case is the Thermaltake WingMA.
What sets it apart from most other M-ATX cases is the fact that it has 3 filtered 5.25" bays,
which makes it perfect for equipping a Xigmatek 4-in-3 HDD cage. In total it can hold up to 7 3.5" HDDs making it ideal for a compact media server / storage machine.
It also has motherboard standoffs built-in so no need to fiddle around with additional spacers.
It's "just" wide enough to fit a Hyper 212+ CPU cooler in the intended vertical position with hot air blowing out the rear 120mm fan, and "just" tall enough to allow removal of the PSU without first taking out the aforementioned Hyper 212+ cooler making swapping out PSUs a much less tedious affair.
It would be perfect if it had a modular / removable HDD cage and front panel USB 3.0. Reply
beemeup - Tuesday, February 26, 2013 - linkCorrection: It can hold a total of 8x 3.5" HDDs + 4x 2.5" SSDs if you decide to equip the two front 3.5" bays with 2-in-1 2.5-to-3.5" adapters.
That's 12 drives total! Very impressive for a Micro-ATX case. Reply
lwatcdr - Tuesday, February 26, 2013 - linkI would like to see more mATX cases reviewed/ They are a good compromise between the extremely small and hard to work on iTX cases and the large in your face ATX cases.
I think this one would be great for a Hackintosh build
And this for your typical home office http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8...
NZXT even builds a gaming mATX case but it lacks USB 3 front ports so I left it of my list. Reply
Grok42 - Sunday, March 03, 2013 - linkI would add a few mITX cases to your list as well. There are a few mITX cases that size wise are almost mATX but can only accommodate a mITX board. They are typically when you want a small form factor that can hold a lot of storage or bigger graphics cards.
The one I just bought is amazing with a few small flaws. It is 14.41" x 7.83" x 11.02" or 1243 cubic inches Vs your first mATX which is 10.35" x 8.35" x 15.47" 1337 cubic inches. Being almost mATX size means it can hold 7x 3.5" + 3x 2.5" drives Vs. the mATX's 2x 3.5" and 2x 5.25" capacity.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8... Reply
BrokenCrayons - Tuesday, February 26, 2013 - linkIt's nice to see inexpensive cases getting a little more attention. I personally wouldn't spend even $55 on a case when online vendors sell perfectly acceptable Micro-ATX cases for $10-15 less and include a no-name 300 watt power supply (my gaming desktop sits in such a $40 budget box and I'm endlessly amused at how horrified people seem to get, predicting doom, gloom, and fires for the stuff packed inside - of course, that's all simply silliness). Craigslist, area depending, makes it easy to get case and power supply freebies as well. Sure, I have the money laying around to blow $400 on the box I put my stuff inside, but what for? It's like a shoebox or a Capri Sun juice pouch because, as long as it holds the stuff inside, its doing its job.
At any rate, it's easy to conclude that price and the goo-gaws of the design have little to do with the effectiveness of the case at keeping things inside it cool. Cable management is an oft cited fussing point made in the name of better airflow and better thermals. The sad reality is that, after years of building rat nests of IDE cables and tangles un-modular power wires, thoughtless cable disasters have very marginal impact on cooling. Most of the appeal of higher cost containers is in the target marketing and the desires of buyers to chase style while making a PC fashion statement in their desktops.
I'm still endlessly confused about why a set of locking tabs on a side panel draw so much ire. Sure cases with pop-out sides and spring-loaded levered mechanisms are around, but once a PC is built, even frequent fiddling around inside boils down to a once in a while thing. The few seconds difference (if there is one at all) in taking off the side because of the mechanism design seems like such a minor quibble and hardly worth expressing hatred or any sort of strong emotion.
-BC Reply
A5 - Tuesday, February 26, 2013 - linkWell I'm guessing the convenience factors stand out way more to reviewers like Dustin, who is assembling one or two systems a week for testing. You're right that they don't matter to like almost all enthusiasts, though. Reply
CeriseCogburn - Sunday, March 03, 2013 - linkSince we are presumably dealing with hardware enthusiasts "here", why would anyone need a new case, they should have half a dozen laying around from years of builds...
You'd be surprised how people are though... their personal feelings about the appearance of the hardware seems to be about 50% of their opinion of the computer, and if they think they have something "socially impressive" then their brain is already gone and any clear estimation of performance might as well be assigned to the trash bin.
Stupidity comes in "order of magnitudes", as the fools love to say. Reply
Grok42 - Sunday, March 03, 2013 - linkI can get behind a lot of your points especially for a basic computer. I would disagree on two points though. I have encountered so many cases that had such bad design with how the panels attach that I have thrown the case away. If I can't put the case back on within ~10minutes or without bleeding I start to get frustrated and I'll pay for something better. I'm not saying you have to pay more but it's hard to tell how a case panel will behave if it's bent slightly when moving it one day even from reviews.
The second point is that there are important features of a case outside of cost that do matter based on your needs. I personally have 4 computers in my office so floor space is at a premium. Smaller cases shouldn't cost more but they do and it is worth the extra money to get a smaller case. I have a server in my closet with 6TB of RAID storage. I spent extra money getting a case with lots of capacity and good cable management. The box started out in life as a 2TB server a long time ago and I have steadily increased the capacity over the years. It actually has 10TB of drives in it right now because I haven't gone back in and removed the 4TB set when I moved to 6TB. While I agree that for a workstation I will build and forget it and rarely go back in it except to clean it this isn't all computers. So I'm in and out of this machine a good bit and I'm glad it is a nice roomy case with good drive bays. Reply
jtd871 - Tuesday, February 26, 2013 - linkI hadn't even got to the Conclusion section when I opened up your reviews of the TJ08E / PS07 (basically the same case) for comparison. Pity the testbed has changed - I would have liked to have seen them in the charts for an "official" comparison. (For those who will revisit these reviews, keep in mind that the original reviews were run with a GTX580 rather than the current GTX560 when comparing thermals and acoustics to the current testbed results.)
A quick review of the case specs shows that the Silverstones are about double the weight and pretty much exactly an inch wider, which is where the space behind the mobo comes from in these 2 cases.
Newegg currently shows the TJ08 going for $110+14S&H, and the PS07 for $79+10S&H-10Rebate. Maybe a bit high, considering how long they've been on the market, but they are also both averaging 4+ eggs, which could justify a little price premium.
Thanks, Dustin, for keeping up with the mATX cases. Reply
JeBarr - Tuesday, February 26, 2013 - linkI can't help but wonder if we were assembling a system in this chassis at the same time.
When it launched the price was 49.99 shipped, but has gone up five bucks since then. Still a fair price far as I'm concerned. I was worried the case would be too cheap and flimsy, but it's good enough for the hardware I installed.
The Xigmatek Dark Knight fit, barely, but did fit. Now that I've spent some time playing with fan orientation I've decided to try a down-draft cooler instead, which I suspect will do well in this chassis especially considering the motherboard I used has no heatsinks around the CPU socket. The only problem I have with that is the high cost for a quality horizontal DD heatsink. Wish I could find a good one without fans because the best includes two VR fans :( (shame on you Noctua.....)
The biggest issue I had going in was the top-mounted PSU, but could not find a mATX mini tower with bottom mount PSU and 2x USB 3.0 front ports, in a budget price range. Even if money were no object the choices for mATX mini tower are very limited, with either a budget price or extremely high price tag and nothing in-between. I agree that top mount PSUs should have a vent on top chassis panel, but we did not get that with this case, and so those of you thinking to install 120 rads front and back will have the PSU exhausting all the system air. Using the side fans to exhaust a LCed system is not an option here either, if a rad is installed on the rear. Best you could do is exhaust with the lower side fan which makes no sense at all, when that fan will pull air from the rear vent adjacent to PCI slots.
All in all I'm happy with the case and would buy again in a heartbeat. Don't let the price fool you, this chassis is great for housing a small but powerful gaming system. There's enough space here for a GPU (or two), Sound card, Revo drive, etc....which is something no mITX system can do and the main reason why I've not been sold on the idea. Reply
JonnyDough - Tuesday, February 26, 2013 - linkI've found that if you wait for a sale you can get a really decent case for around $30, usually with a stupid rebate.
Black interior, windowed or mesh for fans, 120mm fans, USB 3.0, space for cable management, etc.
The brands I've considered recently:
Rosewill, Ultra (Tiger Direct), and Raidmax. Yes, Raidmax stuff is mostly gaudy and I wouldnt' consider their PSUs but they have a decent case or two at a low price when the sales hit. Reply
just4U - Tuesday, February 26, 2013 - link".... as many of us are often on the hook to build and maintain desktops for family and friends."
I don't know what to say to this... It's a fact, and many of enthusiasts look thru all of it for one reason or another, your observation being very very high on the list. Reply
just4U - Tuesday, February 26, 2013 - link-"but I couldn't help but want the Line-M in beige, if you catch my drift."
-"..That there's a loop in the back for a padlock is an indicator of where this case is supposed to go,.."
More great comments.. altho I never realized what those loops were for. I guess you really do learn something new everyday if your looking.. Reply
Death666Angel - Wednesday, February 27, 2013 - linkI like the style of the case, very solemn with any stupid bling. I own a TJ08-E and this is pretty similar. A bit cheaper I think with some different water cooling options present. I think my TJ08-E will stay with me quite a long time as I don't expect to abandon mATX mainboards and my water cooling setup is enough to handle any CPU and single GPU with nice overclocks nearly silently. :) Reply
Zap - Wednesday, February 27, 2013 - linkI believe the Line-M case was birthed in the same factory in China that pooped out the Cooler Master Elite 341. The design language is the same and it even uses the same drive bay subchassis with the same toolless clips. Reply
xrror - Wednesday, February 27, 2013 - linkIf the blue illumination out of the front fan is such a problem, why not just swap the front and back fans?
If these are going to be crammed in an office cubical, you likely won't see the back anyway. Reply
konroh77 - Friday, March 01, 2013 - linkThis case is $39.99 with a coupon code at newegg right now... Reply
Grok42 - Sunday, March 03, 2013 - link** "...and a single 3.5" bay for the inevitable card reader. "
Really, inevitable? I've never seen a single person with a card reader in their machine that wasn't there because it came with the pre-built machine. I've taken to asking people if they have ever used it and I haven't had anyone answer yes in at least 50 inquiries. According to NewEggs stats, USB card readers are way more popular and what we use at work in what I would call "industrial usage". The USB ones are also cheaper.
Finally, what I hear you saying in all the quotes below is that this case, as well as a lot of other cases, would be much better without the 5.25" bays. Yet only two cases in the world give us this option.
** "Currently the biggest albatross hanging around the neck of case design is the 5.25" bay..."
** "...but you'll have to tilt the board into the case if you're using a full-sized Micro-ATX board, as the drive cage overhangs the tray..."
** "...optical drive and the storage drives, as they're most liable to get buried under cables."
** "..but I must stress that you really are limited to 160mm of PSU depth unless you eschew using the 5.25" bays entirely."
** "Bottom-front intake to top-rear exhaust is inefficient design..." Reply
MosBen - Sunday, March 03, 2013 - linkJust fyi, but wherefore means "why". The usage in the title seems to be using it as "where", as in "where are the micro-ATX cases at?" "Romeo, Romeo, wherefore art thou Romeo?" is Juliet lamenting that the guy she likes is a member of a rival family. Why is he a Montegue, the hated rival of her father's family, rather than someone that she could hook up with easily. Reply
nickfouskas1992 - Saturday, June 01, 2013 - linkwhats the max size of the cpu cooler when installed i7 core extreme onto an mirco atx motherboard Reply
rayden54 - Sunday, March 02, 2014 - linkIt's not even "black is cool" or "blue is best" or whatever. Black and blue are both relatively neutral colors. If they make a case lime green or fire engine red, there's a lot of people who won't buy it JUST because they don't like the color. Reply


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Add a nod to Midcentury modern design with the stunning Dayton Floor Lamp. Perfect when paired with a sofa or accent chair, the lamp's simple metal tripod base is finished in metallic bronze. The double-layered narrow shade features an open-weave transparent outer hardback shade layered over an inner hardback shade.
For a versatile, functional lighting choice, you can't go wrong with the Asti Pendant. Not just any drum-style light fixture, the Asti takes a white fabric shade, overlays it with a bold graphic pattern in aged brass-plated steel, and finishes out the bottom with opaque white glass. Available in two sizes, the pendant light works in any room of the home.
To create a stunning statement on a bedside or end table, the Mykonos Table Lamp brings serious style. The rich gold leaf base in bold Greek-key curves contrasts beautifully with the white shade trimmed in gold edging.
For a minimalist, pared-down style, the Spheres Table Lamp proves a timeless bedside companion. Add a pair of these simple glass sphere bases, topped with white drum shades, to the master suite for light right where you need it.
At Z Gallerie, we guarantee you can afford to light up your whole home with our lighting options.
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