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Itanium - is there light at the end of the tunnel?by Johan De Gelas on 11/9/2005 12:05 AM EST
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ravedave - Thursday, November 10, 2005 - linkWho cares about TLP in the consumer space? Nothign can take advantage of it, HT showed that. I think whoever comes out with the best individual core next will do some sweet buisiness...
eastvillager - Thursday, November 10, 2005 - linkThat train is Opteron. All aboard!
Itanium had a window where it could've shown, Intel missed it by a mile. Well, on the bright side, they killed HP's Unix Server business at the same time. I remember when HP announced they were stopping r&d on new PA-RISC processors and were switching to Itanium.
ElFenix - Thursday, November 10, 2005 - linkthe story of how intel killed it for a processor that was about a a decade and a half, if not more, ahead of its time? and mostly because it wasn't invented at intel, but rather was bought as part of the dec compaq hp debacle (ooo, inept management again!). that was about the most promising processor on the planet for a while, but now its buried. Reply
Zebo - Thursday, November 10, 2005 - linkWow Johan I don't even care about Itanium but your prose kept me all the way through. :) Excellent write up. Reply
WhoBeDaPlaya - Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - linkInteresting read, especially after having just talked with two engineers from the Itanium team (they were from the HP side) at Fort Collins. *Keeping fingers crossed for career prospects there* :D Reply
Matthias - Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - link"The Itanium is also wider than the competition, which results in bigger benefits from threading techniques."
I don't buy that. Current Montecito's implementation of TLP only uses "Switch-on-Event Multithreading" which is a another name for Course Grain MT. At any specific time there is only one thread being executed per Montecito core. How can then a wider cpu benefit more than a more narrow cpu? You cannot use the unused execution units with instruction from another thread. So, where is the advantage of having more execution units available?
The multithreading approach in Montecito helps hiding latencies but not doing more in parallel. You can't execute two instructions from different threads at the same time! The P4 can do so, although its capabilities in parallel instruction execution is limited by its rather narrow design.
Of course, we are talking about one specific EPIC implementation. Nobody can't guarantee that with the next EPIC microarchitecture there will be an SMT in favor of a SoE-MT implementation. In this case the above statement would be correct, although I doubt that we will ever see an SMT implementation for Itanium. The static instruction issue used in Itanium does not fit very well with the rather dynamic issuing introduced with SMT. Reply
IntelUser2000 - Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - linkSoEMT hides memory latency, which is in a way taking advantage of increased ILP Itanium has since memory latency may limit the benefit.
Also, it seems the performance among various apps vary as MUCH as opinions about the chip vary :). Some people really like it, while some hate it.
About the performance, I can't find the link. There was an IDF presentation on PC World(found by google) and showed relative Montecito performance. It was around 20% faster per clock in integer, but they were very ambiguous about it. Citing MT, higher frequency, more cache, and dual cores. But for all that, 20% is so little. There was another IDF presentation about Foxton Technology, and showed Montecito benchmarks on TPC-C, which from numbers was almost 25% faster at same clock, half the sockets(same number of cores) and same platform.
Intel and HP usually introduce better compilers at the same time, so I think its reasonable to expect 20-25% per clock. One other significant improvement on Montecito will be that it will have another shift unit, making the total two, along with others like more instructions and some little improvements here and there.
Montecito has x86 compatibility unit taken out, using the software based IA32-EL. Reply
IntelUser2000 - Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - linkItanium 2 Madison cache latency:
32KB L1: 1 cycle
256KB L2: 6 cycles
9MB L3: 14 cycles
32KB L1: 1 cycle
1MB L2I, and 256KB L2D: 6 cycles(same as Madison)
24MB L3: 14 cycles(same as madison) Reply
stephenbrooks - Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - linkI like this bit.
--[HP and Intel have stated that the Itanium 2 core, including the L2-cache, has about 40 million transistors. If we subtract the L2 cache, we end up with about 26 transistors,]-- Reply
fic - Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - linkhttp://www.pasemi.com/">http://www.pasemi.com/
These are PowerPC chips, but not from IBM. From the website: "dual-core device, operates at 2GHz with typical power dissipation in the range of 5 to 13 watts". According to articles SPECint is >1000 per core and SPECfp >2000 per core. Reply
fitten - Thursday, November 10, 2005 - linkI'm guessing they'll write an article on it when it actually exists... it's at least two years out still before they expect to have *real* silicon for it and a lot can change between now and then. Reply
fic - Thursday, November 10, 2005 - linkHmmm, their press release says Q3 '06. I know that dates can and do slip, but I doubt they will slip a year.
Besides, most of the Itanic stuff that was talked about in the article isn't shipping and probably never will. How late is the "next" version - 2+ years? - with no real expected ship date in the forseeable future. It would be nice to see an article about the architecture of the chips, decisions made and trade offs for the power efficiency that they are driving toward. Also, this was started a few years ago, what lead them down the power efficiency path before some of the major companies (notably intel) even realized it was an issue. Reply
fitten - Friday, November 11, 2005 - linkFrom the press release:
"It will sample in the third calendar quarter of 2006, with single-core and quad-core versions due in early and late 2007, respectively, and an eight-core version planned for 2008."
Sampling doesn't mean general avialability... not even close. The closest thing they have to availability is "early and late 2007" for availability of single- and quad-core versions. Reply
xelpmoc - Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - link"TLP, caches and power consumption" is more than three words!
Interesting article, though. Reply
Questar - Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - linkExcelent article.
I've been telling people for years the Itanium architecture is the future (not the chip). In 20 years there will be no OOE chips on the market, everything will be similar to EPIC. AMD will be there too.
highlandsun - Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - linkI don't see any need for EPIC or VLIW. The Itanium is basically using a 41 bit instruction word. The allocation of bits is only slightly different from the allocation used in a 32 bit RISC instruction. Indeed, point a 128-bit memory channel at a stream of 32 bit instructions and you'll get higher instruction dispatch rates and greater code density. EPIC is philosophically the same as hyperthreading - running multiple instruction streams in parallel in a single CPU core. But that just makes CPU designs unnecessarily complex. With the trend to multi-core CPUs, you get parallelism by using separate cores. Let each core crunch on a single instruction stream at a time, and all of that extra baggage is unnecessary. What is the point of having 11 execution units in a single core if you can only feed it 3 instructions per cycle? An efficient design would keep the number of execution units matched to the number of instructions available, any more is just wasted.
Personally I would have invested more effort into scaling speeds on the MIPS design. The Itanium's predicated instructions are cool, but the MIPS architecture has those too. Anything you can do to avoid branching is definitely a win. But if you can pre-fetch 4 32-bit instructions in one cycle and decode and detect branches in advance, that's going to give higher IPC than this VLIW implementation. Reply
Questar - Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - linkYou don't know what EPIC is. It's not hyperthreading, and it makes CPU's LESS complex as there is no need for all the hardware needed to support OOE. Cell and Xenos are examples.
Think what you want, but the brightest mins in the CPU world are all looking this way. Reply
highlandsun - Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - linkActually, having handwritten IA64 assembly code I'm acutely aware of what EPIC is and isn't. The point is that it's another lame attempt at increasing parallelism in one core. The problem is that it tries to give the illusion of indepent execution units, just as hyperthreading tries to give the illusion of multiple execution units, and neither implementation is sufficiently flexible. You would get more throughput from truly independent cores, letting the programmer (or some layer above the processor) explicitly allocate instructions to execution units. Reply
roymbrown - Thursday, November 10, 2005 - link"it's another lame attempt at increasing parallelism in one core"
It sounds like you are confusing different types of parallelism here. You are referring to TLP (thread level), but EPIC attempts to address ILP (instruction level). Hyperthreading is focused on running multiple independent threads on a single core. Hyperthreading improves TLP, often, at the expense of ILP. EPIC is focused on executing non-dependent instructions within a single thread in parallel. This is more analagous to the work done by complex out-of-order scheduler. EPIC attempts to push this scheduling work onto the compiler.
"You would get more throughput from truly independent cores"
Yes, you would, if you have lots of independent threads. Adding more independent cores improves TLP, but does nothing about ILP. Reply
lifeguard1999 - Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - linkJohan has written a good article on the Itanium and its advantages. However, just because something is good from an engineers point of view, does not mean that it will be a market success. There is the business side of the equation that is just as important, and I will be looking forward to future articles on this.
I live and play in the HPC world. Historically, this world has been small and based on (for lack of a better word), big-iron chips such as those found in the Cray C-90 (early 1990's technology) to the Cray X1E (today's tech). In the 1990's people clustered together "commodity" PCs (commonly called Beowulf Clusters) which culminated in 1997 Gordon Bell Prize at SC97 for a cluster of 16 Intel Pentium Pros (200 MHz). Today, these cluster-based supercomputers are everywhere (Cray sells a XT3 based on Opterons). The advantage of the cluster-based supercomputer is price/performance, or said another way: cost.
And that is where this ties back into the business case. Can Itanium compete based on cost? Now cost is more than just how much to produce the physical chip. There are systems adminstrator costs, cooling costs, user-needs-to-learn-to-program-it costs, etc. Cooling concerns are coming to the forefront now as supercomputers may need a dedicated power plant in the near future. Imagine, if you will, how much heat 10,000 Opterons can produce and much electricity it consumes (we only have 4096).
SGI was a big seller of supercomputers based on the MIPS chips (low power, low performance, but easy to use). They transitioned over to the Itanium chips and have had a successful run of supercomputers called the Altix. The problem is that anyone can buy a Opteron cluster supercomputer for much less cost than an Itanium supercomputer. While this is not the only reason for the decline of SGI and its recent delisting from the NYSE (inept management is the main reason) it is a contributing factor.
That leaves HP as the largest seller of Itaniums. Did I mention inept management two sentences back? Maybe I should mention it here again.
Itanium may be a great architecture, and it may survive and thrive. Right now however, it appears that there are dark days ahead. Reply
highlandsun - Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - linkThere are still a variety of problems that the Altix design can handle more easily than any cluster-based approach. I'm not convinced that the Altix architecture is tied to Itanium, though. It'd be cool to see an Altix-like machine based on Opterons. Reply
ksherman - Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - linkseems like a really good article! Too bad most of it goes over my head :( Reply
ceefka - Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - linkMe too, I can finally make some sense of what Itanium is all about. It may have potential in a technical sense but until it comes at an affordable price it doesn't stand a chance imho. It's not always the best tech that sells best, Intel knows ;-) Reply
xbdestroya - Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - linkNice Article. I personally don't see too much of a future for Itanium with the environment it's presently operating in coupled with Intel's missteps, but I feel that for all the heat Itanium: 'The Project' often takes, the architecture itself is unduly maligned.
Plus, I love to see articles analysing architectures other than the bread-and-butter x86 ones we're used to seeing. Some more on EPIC, Power... Sun/Fujitsu chips - maybe some NEC - let's spice things up!
There was one problem though with the article on the last page though:
"But the best x86 design - the AMD Opteron - does about 60% less work per clock cycle in integer, and about 115% less work per cycle in floating point than the Itanium."
How does something do 115% *less* work per cycle? Obviously not. Reply
JohanAnandtech - Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - linkMathematiques was never my best course. :-) Indeed the Itanium does 60% more integer work and 115% more FP. Reply
Calin - Thursday, November 10, 2005 - linkSo the Opteron does just 62.5% integer work and 46.5% floating point work per clock cycle compared to Itanium.
I learned this mostly after introduction of VAT in economy Reply
snorre - Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - linkYou write:
"it is clear, however, that the Itanium has time on its side and is most likely the architecture with the highest potential."
No, that is not true by any standards. I've tested Itanium systems from day one, including several compilers and development tools and I don't see any high potential with this platform. It's over-expensive, under-performing and quite frankly a big flop.
Don't keep this pace maker going any further, please let it die in peace. Some good ideas just dosen't work well in practice, and EPIC is just another like them. Reply
Starglider - Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - linkHere's a scenario I like to imagine. After many years of research, marketing and general toil Intel claim that their new Itanium-5 chip will finally be the one to popularise the platform. The day before the launch, AMD announce their new x86-64+++ architecture, which extends x86 (again) to allow a scheduling/cache/decoding-hints metadata stream interleaved with the main instruction stream. The new design combines the code density and dynamic optimisation of x86 with all the static optimisation power and execution width of Itanium (but done better becasue AMD have learned from Intel's mistakes), is binary compatible with legacy applications at full speed, and has AMD's onboard memory and PCI express controllers. AMD own 90% of the high-end space by the end of the year and Itanium is finally killed off. ;) Reply
dexvx - Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - linkYou have no idea what you're talking about do you?
I'd like to see a scheduler that is both dynamic and static at the same time. Reply
Starglider - Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - linkWell, back in university I passed my classes on CPU design, and I know a couple of flaours of assembly language and have worked on compilers professionally, so yes I'd say I know what I'm talking about.
Hell, why am I being polite, /of course/ you can combine static and dynamic optimisation of instruction order. All x86 compilers /already/ do this. Virtual machine based programming languages (e.g. C# and Java) actually have /three/ tiers of optimisation; the primary compiler optimises the bytecode based on static global information, the runtime compiler optimises for the target instruction set based on medium-scale runtime information (at least Sun's Hotspot does), and then the CPU does instruction reordering and register remapping based on very local information. The efficiency of the final stage, e.g. the processor-level scheduling, can be improved by embedding hints in the instruction stream in exactly the same way that JIT compliation cane be improved by embedding hints in the bytecode of a VM language. Indeed arguably some RISC designs already do this to a limited extent, so implementing it for x86 isn't much of a stretch. Reply
Spoonbender - Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - link"The main philosophy behind Itanium is, of course, that a compiler can statically schedule instructions much better than a hardware scheduler" - Not always.
Of course, the compiler can do all this with the static information within the same translation unit (or in some cases, only within the same basic code block), but not based on runtime behavior. Global optimizations are a pain to implement on a compiler, and a lot of them are simply too complex to even think about, while the hardware scheduler can easily see, for example, where a function is called from, meaning it can figure out some dependencies that might be practically impossible to do in the compiler.
Dynamic and static scheduling can achieve different results based on the different data available to them (at compile-time vs runtime), but it's wrong to say that one is much better than the other. The trick is to use the best of both worlds. x86 compilers already lets the compiler do as much scheduling as possible, and then at runtime the hardware scheduler tweaks everything to fit the particular pipeline, and uses the runtime info available that the compiler didn't have.
Of course, the Itanium could do the same, but relying solely on the compiler is a mistake.
Another disadvantage with the Itanium is that everything becomes a lot more architecture-specific. For example, the same compiler can write decent code for either a P4 or an Athlon 64 (or even a 386).
But because so much of the responsibility for scheduling and instruction bundles is put on the compiler, it's the compiler that has to reflect each particular architecture. So far, there's only Itanium and Itanium 2. What when we get to Itanium 5? Or AMD Athlanium? ;)
Different compilers for each? Or should we accept that the same compiler just generates inefficient code on all other EPIC CPU's than the original target?
And how much headroom does the architecture have then?
(What if in the future we want wider instruction bundles? Or if they find out that reaing bigger amounts of smaller bundles is more efficient? Or if they want to remove some of the current restrictions on instruction order inside a bundle?
I just can't see how EPIC can ever become a viable long-term architecture. And honestly, I don't want to go back to the old days of "New CPU? Have to recompile everything. Binary compatibility? What's that?" Reply
JohanAnandtech - Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - linkYou bring up very valid points that I will definitely address in a follow up. Indeed statically scheduling is not always better than dynamically. Most of the time it is, as you can look ahead much more far ahead, but it is less flexible.
x86 compilers can never extract much ILP as they are limited by the ISA. With 20% branches and 8 registers, your options are very limited.
But your comment about binary compatibility is a mistake. The 128 bit bundle hasn't changed, so your binary compatibility is saved. It is true that the Itanium 2 can use bundles that the Itanium can't, but the same can be said about the P4 using SSE-2 instructions that the Pentium II can't use. You just provide two codepaths in the same code like we do now in apps where you can enable or disable SSE. Secondly, there are almost no Itanium I out there, so it is sufficient to make your code Itanium 2 compatible.
Wider bundles aren't going to happen. There is no reason to do so, as the groups of independent instructions can be as large as you want, you chain bundles together via the template. Montecito is perfectly compatible with Madison and mckinley
mkruer - Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - link<mindless ramblings>
I think one of the key things to point out is that the current x86 has very little in common with the original ISA, and that the ISA has been adapting over time. The current internal cores are more like RISC then the original CISC design which will probably lead to some low level VLIW implementation mainly in the area of the FP units.
My predictions are that we are going to start seeing some low level implementations of VLIW most likely as a sub core options at first. As time progresses we will see those sub cores become more and more powerful and functional, and as time progresses more and more of the current x86 ISA will fall off to be replaced by an updated x86 ISA. </mindless ramblings>
saratoga - Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - linkYes very little in common aside from almost complete binary compatability. You're confusing ISA (the binary format for operations) with microarch (the layout of transistors in a processor).
Also, "low level VLIW", WTF? Reply
Brian23 - Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - linkIf Intel would drop the x86 compatability, L3 cache, and up the L1 and L2 chaches significantly and add an on die memory controller, this chip would be incredable. Then they could do something like transmetta did for backwards compatability until they can coax MS to write an os and compiler that runs natively on chip. At that point x86 would be dead. Reply
JohanAnandtech - Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - linkIf they up the L1 and L2, it would result in higher latencies. Right now, the L1-cache has a 1 cycle L1. So L1-accesses are as good as free, you don't want that to change for an in-order CPU.
The L3-cache is important as it lowers the accesses to the memory significantely. But I agree that x86 hardware support should be dropped, and only software emulation should be available. That opens up a few million transistors that can be used for a primitive OOO system or improved prefetching. Reply
highlandsun - Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - linkAs a server chip there's really no reason to beg MS for anything. Linux and gcc can take it from here. Note that big Itanium servers from HP and SGI all run Linux anyway, MS is irrelevant in this space. But yes, they really ought to jettison the x86 baggage. In an open source world there's no need to do on-chip emulation to execute legacy binaries - just recompile the source and get a native binary instead. Reply
PeteRoy - Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - linkYEah Reply
IntelUser2000 - Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - linkJohan, Do you know that the 30% performance advantage is SoEMT only on Montecito??? Not comparing against Madison??
Whether by major compiler improvements or core improvements, Montecito should be 25% faster per clock, per core over Madison.
Its sad that Intel had problems with Montecito. At 2GHz it would have been amazing. Reply
JohanAnandtech - Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - linkYes, very nice remark. Part of that 25% is thanks to the L2-I cache which is now better adapted to the bigger instructions without increasing latency. Most RISC have a bigger I cache than D-cache.
Do you have an URL handy? I have been searching all over the web to find that 25%. Reply
mino - Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - linkWell, IMHO going for 1.7bilion transistors core on 90nm process was an idiocy from the beginning. Also the 24M L3 cache is clear waste. Had intel emplemented on-die memory controlled the montecino may have been online allready.
Actually it popular to say AMD marketing likes to shot its legs. However at least in the period 2002-2004 the one who shot its legs by R&D cannon was clearly Intel. No pun intended.
BTW nice article.
It's sad Intel has not gone the Alpha route in the 90's. That one was in McKinley league allready in 2000 and the software support (the biggest problem of IA64) was allready there.
Maybe AMD paid Intel for this ;-). Had intel gone Alpha back then, Opteron would be an niche market now.
No mistake, K8's design is clearly Alpha for masses. Reply
fitten - Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - link"Had intel emplemented on-die memory controlled the montecino may have been online allready."
An on-die memory controller is not a silver bullet for all problems that a CPU faces. Even *with* an on-die memory controller, the latency of memory accesses are an order of magnitude slower than L2 cache access. Sure, it's less than not having it but when a cache miss stalls your entire pipeline, you don't want to wait even the 70+ns for an on-die memory controller. The solution is to reduce the number of cache misses which means larger caches, which is exactly what they are doing.
"No mistake, K8's design is clearly Alpha for masses."
I don't know how to read this at all. If you liked the Alpha, you should like the P4 as their design goals/parameters were the same... high clock speed at any cost and then add the expensive stuff like OOOE. The Athlon(64) designs do not follow this pattern. The Athlons follow the "brainiac" model more than the "speed-freak" model. (Alpha was the speed freak, PARISC was the brainiac, btw). Reply


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Florida conquers Demons in NCAA opener
Published: Friday, March 22, 2013 at 9:23 p.m.
Last Modified: Saturday, March 23, 2013 at 1:12 a.m.
AUSTIN, Texas — Florida didn't want its fourth straight NCAA Tournament appearance to wind up an early stay.
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Who: No. 3 seed Florida vs. No. 11 seed Minnesota
What: NCAA Tournament, Round of 32
When: Sunday, 6:10 p.m.
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So after some shaky moments defensively in the first half against the top-scoring offense in the nation, third-seeded Florida dialed up its defensive intensity in the second half Friday night against 14th-seeded Northwestern State.
The Gators held Northwestern State to just 19.2-percent shooting in the second half and 15 second-half points in their 79-47 win over the Demons at the Frank Erwin Center. The Gators held a team under 50 points for the 13th time this season.
For Florida's defense, it was a tale of two halves. The Gators allowed Northwestern State to shoot 54.2 percent from the floor in the first half and led just 40-32 at halftime.
"We didn't do as a good job getting stops as we did in the second half, coming out with that junkyard dog mentality," Florida junior center Patric Young said. "They weren't able to get anything they wanted, so we did a good job with that."
Offensively, Florida had terrific balance, with four players reaching double figures for just the third time in its last 10 games. Erik Murphy led Florida with 18 points. Patric Young added 16 points and nine rebounds and Scottie Wilbekin had 11 points and four assists. Kenny Boynton scored eight of his 11 points in the second half.
The Gators (27-7) will face 11th-seeded Minnesota in Sunday's round of 32. Tipoff is set for 6:10 p.m. on TNT.
Florida worked the ball inside-out throughout the game Friday, outscoring undersized Northwestern State 44-22 in the paint. The Gators also outrebounded the Demons 43-26 and had 21 second-chance points.
"I missed a lot of bunnies I could have had, but I just focused on the next shot, be in position to score ahead, making the right play," Young said.
Florida coach Billy Donovan said he thought it was important to keep pounding the ball inside throughout the game.
"The last thing you want to do is start jacking up 3s with them and create the ability for runouts in transition off long rebounds," Donovan said.
Northwestern State (23-9), the nation's top scoring offense at 81 points per game, didn't appear intimidated by Florida in the first 20 minutes. The Gators did a good job breaking Northwestern State's press and were able to get back in transition on defense. But they still had defensive breakdowns early.
"We just came out with more focus in the second half," Wilbekin said. "Coach D got onto us and we got onto ourselves a little bit because we knew we were capable of playing better defense than that."
Northwestern State cut Florida's lead to 40-36 early in the second half. But the Gators created some breathing room with a 9-2 run, going up 49-38 on a pair of Boynton free throws. After a three-point play from Northwestern State forward Patrick Robinson cut Florida's lead to 49-41, the Gators put the game away with a 19-1 run. Murphy started the flurry with a big 3-pointer from the corner. A 3-pointer from Boynton extended UF's lead to 58-42, and a Murphy putback off a missed Young free throw put the Gators ahead 68-42.
Florida survived first-half foul trouble from its starting backcourt to build a 40-32 halftime lead. Boynton and Mike Rosario each picked up two first-half fouls, which limited their time on the floor. Boynton played just eight first-half minutes, while Rosario played 10 minutes.
With Rosario and Boynton out, Florida pounded the ball inside throughout the half. Murphy scored 11 of his points in the first half, with eight of the points coming on inside baskets. Young also had nine points in the first half as the Gators outscored Northwestern State 26-14 in the paint in the opening half.
Still, Northwestern State kept the game close throughout the half, dicing through UF's defense with quick guard penetration and good ball movement. After a dunk from Northwestern State center O.J. Evans cut Florida's lead to 34-30 with 3:49 left in the first half, the Gators closed the half with a modest 6-2 run. Murphy scored four of the points on inside baskets, and Wilbekin added a turnaround mid-range jumper.
Florida shot 51.5 percent from the field in the first half while attempting just seven 3-pointers. The Gators made 4 of 7 from beyond the arc, which included a pair from Rosario.
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With 11 points against Northwestern State, Boynton became just the second player in school history to be recognized for scoring 2,000 or more points. Boynton now has 2,006 career points, 84 shy of school-record holder Ronnie Williams (2,090 points).
Former Florida guard and Gainesville native Vernon Maxwell scored 2,450 career points but had the final two seasons of his career stricken from the record books due to NCAA sanctions incurred during the Norm Sloan era.
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Choosing the Best 120mm Radiator Fan: Testing Eight Fans with Corsair's H80by Dustin Sklavos on 8/23/2012 12:01 AM EST
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StevoLincolnite - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkI would have loved to have seen the Noctua NF-F12, Noctua are a high-quality (Albeit expensive) brand that allot of enthusiasts go for, myself included on the Corsair H100.
I spent as much on the 4x Noctua fans as the Corsair H100 cost itself. :) Reply
jwilliams4200 - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkI was going to say the same thing. The Noctua NF-F12 (not to be confused with the NF-P12) is the perfect fan for cooling a radiator with relatively low noise. Reply
kidsafe - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkI own a lot of fans including the NF-F12s, Gentle Typhoon AP-14s, Kama Flow 2s, etc. The NF-F12 has above average static pressure, but it is not even remotely quiet. The plastic stators make the fan noisier than both other fans mentioned above at normalized temperatures. It also makes the fan louder than the S12 and P12. Reply
jwilliams4200 - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkQuietness is relative. My guess is the the NF-F12 at 1500rpm would cool as well as the H80 Stock at medium, while being quieter than the H80.
Also, the NF-F12 comes with a "low-noise adapter" that brings the speed down to 1200rpm. With the LNA, I guess the NF-F12 would perform as well as the NZXT Performance, while being quieter. Reply
A1phabeta - Friday, March 28, 2014 - linkActually, the static pressure of the NF-F12 with the low-noise adaptor is still 1.61 mmH2O, which is amazing considering that the fan's running at just 1200 rpm. Reply
StevoLincolnite - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkI actually can't hear my Noctua's over the crappy Asus Sabertooth X79's chipset fan, so they can't be that noisy. Reply
sirizak - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkHave a look at Noctuas specifications for static pressure on the NF-F12, its 2.61 mm/H2O. Not even in the ball park of the H80's 7.7 mm/H2O, my bet is the H80 is based on a tried and true Yate Loon D12SH-12, look them up. Reply
BlueReason - Friday, August 24, 2012 - linkTrue enough, but the H80's fan is also running at 2600rpm as opposed to the Noc's 1500, so that really isn't an accomplishment. Try running the stock fan at 1500 and see what happens. I'll spoil the surprise: It will still be louder than the Noc, and won't cool as well. Also there's more to rad-cooling than SP. Reply
Sapiens - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkSame here, disappointed that Noctua was left out of the list. Reply
This Guy - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkI like NF-P12's. In push-pull on a heat sink they killed both an exhaust and an intake fan in an Antec Sonata III. In another case, one exhaust fan pulls more air in through the mesh front that the 120mm intake fan down the bottom. Great fans. Reply
Kougar - Sunday, September 02, 2012 - linkI have to second this. The P12's are known for their silence yet, amongst other things, are specifically stated to deliver higher pressure for radiator use.
Comparing the F12 against the P12 would be even better though, of course. Reply
JPForums - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkGreat review.
Leaves me wanting more.
I vote for a follow up.
I would have loved to have seen the Noctua NF-F12, ...
I second this. Noctua's fans specify pretty reasonable noise, airflow, and static pressure. By what I've heard, they may live up to their specs.
Also, like below, I'd be interested to see if Noiseblocker's excellent case fans make good radiator fans.
While we are at it, throw Thermaltake's Hydrodynamic bearing fans on the list to see if they are really as good as thermaltake claims. The versions pair with Thermaltake coolers should be ideal.
Finally, an old school Thermaltake Thunderblade would be a good point of comparison to see how far they've progressed. Reply
Guspaz - Friday, August 24, 2012 - linkYeah, the very first thing I thought when I opened this article was "Wait, there's no Noctua fans in that picture, where are they?"
A 120mm fan review without a Noctua fan in it is certainly incomplete. Reply
sam1337 - Saturday, August 25, 2012 - linki agree, wheres the nf-f12 and scythe GT :P Reply
OCedHrt - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkhttp://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/coolers/display/1...
The SickleFlow comes nowhere near 69.69 CFM. Though even at 33 CFM it performs quite poorly here. Reply
jackstar7 - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkI'm using Noiseblocker fans and find that in normal conditions they perform very well and keep quiet. Mine are on an H60. I believe Idontcare might have some stats in the forums about their performance. Reply
Grooveriding - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkReally surprised not to see Scythe GTs included. Reply
Mr. Pedantic - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkI would have really liked to see how the Gentle Typhoons stack up as well. Reply
Rick83 - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkYes, after all often they are claimed to be -the- fan for radiators (and many other applications) Reply
sicofante - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkAbsolutely. It kind of discredits the whole review, when the GTs are considered the best for this task almost everywhere. Reply
wiyosaya - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkPersonally, I was surprised not to any Scythe fans. IMHO, they make the best fans of manufacturer. I've been buying Scythe exclusively for several years now with a focus on quiet computing, and IMHO, their dbA ratings are spot on whilst providing excellent cooling. Reply
DarkStryke - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkSorry, but this review was very lackluster, and is void of explaining the most important factor that affects fan performance on a radiator, the fin density (Fins Per Inch). That H80 unit uses a very dense FPI setup (roughly 20), which will greatly affect the performance of a fan, and thus render your results totally meaningless to users of less dense radiators.
That's not even commenting on the omission of Scythe Gentle Typhoon AP-14/15's, which no thorough radiator review would be without, as they are considered one of the best rad fans available.
I have to ask the Anand review editorsf, was this just a marketing filler review? Reply
prophet001 - Wednesday, September 05, 2012 - linkIf you're concerned about a fan's performance when used in conjunction with a radiator or heat sync then you look at the fan's maximum static pressure.
You don't review fans based on fin density. Reply
Jibcutter - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkShould have tested COUGAR CF-V12HP Vortex Hydro-Dynamic-Bearing (Fluid) 300,000 Hours 12CM Silent Cooling Fan with Pulse Width Modulation. I purchased these to run on the Corsair H100. The temperature differences and noise reduction over stock have been orders of magnitude different. Reply
Ti-Da - Friday, August 24, 2012 - linkcan't Agree more !!!
I've bought 5 of these baby COUGAR CF-V12HP w/PWM for my H100 + 1 exhaust on White Corsair 600T - Doing push/pull and the temps/noise is really great. Reply
**USA** - Monday, August 27, 2012 - linkAm using 5 as well...terrific performance! Very low temps and low noise! Using the USAdystopia method of mounting as seen on utube. Reply
fausto412 - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkI have seen comparative fan tests before done by SPR.
I have none PWM fans and I can control their speed using Speedfan. You telling me the Corsair cooler doesn't allow that? a fixed speed fan sucks.
I would like to see this test of fans repeated and including more fans. test for how much air the fans move at different RPM's(600, 1100, 1800, Max rpm) and at what point is the air/noise useless because the temp won't go any lower and the db tradeoff. Now that is something i have been wanting to see for some time. Also include a breakdown of fan components and whether they matter. diff types of bearings and suck plus why should people care to have pwm and why isn't every motherboard i run into has only 1 pwm header. Reply
danjw - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkWith most of Asus's Z77 motherboards having all PWM fan headers, that, I think, is the way the industry is going. I would like to see a similar shootout with PWM fans. Also, I would like some 140mm fans in there, as a lot of cases can mount 140mm fans these days.
It is nice to see you do a fan review, though. I hope you will do some more! Reply
Streetwind - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkThe nice part about the ASUS 7x boards is that they can handle any type of fan.
Connect a 4-pin PWM fan, and it will be PWM controlled. Connect a 3-pin classic fan, and it will be voltage controlled. You can mix and match however you like, too. They've really done a great job on the fan control, an area that other manufacturers have sadly chosen to ignore for many years. Hopefully that will change in the future. Reply
Dustin Sklavos - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkThe 7x boards do this? Because my Z68-based ASUS board has a load of fan headers and they're all PWM, it's utterly pointless right now. PWM fans are rare as hen's teeth, most of the popular ones are three-pin right now. Reply
Streetwind - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkYes, as far as I'm aware it's based on the Fan Xpert II software that's bundled with the Panther Point boards; it doesn't work directly from the UEFI.
In fact, didn't Anand post a video earlier the year where an ASUS rep came over to you guys show off the fan control software in action? Reply
maximumGPU - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkYes they do, i have 7x Asus board and their fan control software is superb. it'll work with both PWM and non-PWM fans as in my case.
It provides a lot of useful information too such as min and max rpm for each fan.
the only thing missing is the ability to create a fan profile that could be linked to temperature other than cpu temp, like motherboard for example.
Their software is what pushed me to chose their mobo instead of competitors. Reply
Iketh - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkoh come on, they are not rare at all Reply
danjw - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkYes, I believe that the Z7x's can also voltage control. But PWM usually have a better range then with standard fans, voltage controlled. Also, I believe the Corsair Link controller does voltage control as well. Reply
ckevin1 - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkI have an Asus P8Z68-V Gen3, and last night I went through the pain of figuring out how to voltage control a 3-pin fan on it. It *can* be done.
The CPU and SYS fan headers are PWM only, as I found, but the 4-pin Chassis fan header (near the slots & I/O panel) does support voltage control. Plain old fan XPert that they provide on the download site for my board can control it, and it can also be set up from the BIOS. Reply
piroroadkill - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkYou say this, but I had an MSI board back in the Pentium III era that had completely independant fan control on all headers.
I also had an Abit board with µguru that had completely independant fan header control, for Pentium 4.
I also had an Abit board with µguru that had total control for Socket 775...
Now I have an Asus P8Z68-V Pro, and before I had another 775 Asus board, I've never had worse fan control. The headers are shared, each are a certain type of control.. It's pathetic.
In summary: abit had amazing fan control for many years, Asus is playing catch up, your comment is therefore amusing. Reply
piroroadkill - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkOh, and I wish I could edit, but I can't forget that the ASUS boards also prevent you from dropping the speed below a certain amount, which is awful. I had to fit resistors to my Corsair A70 and THEN fan control it to make it a reasonable noise level. I'd prefer to have the full range of speed available to me. Reply
ypsylon - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkInstaFAIL. By far most potent fans on the market. They combine supreme performance (120mm - 138.4m3=82CFM @ 1500rpm/26dB) with low noise and great price for performance. Running exclusively only AC Sharks now. Tested many fans, survived only 1 type.
For liquid cooling solutions (even for such poor AIO kits) there is easy way to improve cooling a bit. Put spacer (gutted old fan or buy brand new one in shops trading LC things) between radiator and fan(s) on the intake side. That way radiator will be cooled equally on the entire surface. With default setup: fan straight to radiator, center of radiator is warmer than edges, simply because air straight below fan bearing cannot cool and move quickly enough. Reply
Stupido - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkThe idea of the spacer is an excellent one!
Thanks for that! Reply
JerWA - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkAny hopes of you guys snagging one of these to add to the test results?
Gelid Wing 12 PL, P/N: FN-FW12BPL-18.
I'm using 2 as the push in a push/pull H100 setup, and it'd be nice to know if there's a better option and just how they measure up in comparison. Reply
Dustin Sklavos - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkThat at least half of you have a fan you're upset wasn't included, and they're almost all completely different fans. There was no way I was going to be able to cover all of them (although the Yate Loon, Noctua, and Scythe are admittedly pretty big omissions, especially the Noctua), but I seem to have opened Pandora's Box with this one.
This roundup is a little unusual for us (but then I'm the unusual review guy at this point), so if it does well I'll look into updating it with a second part in a month or two with a second set of fans. Noctua's reached out to me, so the possibility is there. Reply
NeXTguy2 - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkIf you do a second round you might want to consider the following fans, too. Looks like Austria (Noctua) and Germany (Noiseblocker, be quiet!) have a bit of a fan industry going...
The people at Noiseblocker have also just released a new fan series based on research funded by the German ministry of technology. Basically, the blades are connected on the outside to a ring that rotates in the chassis. So far, they don't even seem to have a page in English about it:
I'm using the low-speed ones as case fans, but that's beside the point I guess. Reply
maximumGPU - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkIt was great seeing Anandtech reviewing fans, especially since the which "which fan is best " discussion is certainly fiercly debated by enthusiasts on forums.
Great first step and definetly +1 for a second round up with more fans!! Reply
MrSpadge - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkPersonally I find Arctic Cooling fans to be a solid choice. Not sure how they're available in the US, though. Reply
sicofante - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkMaybe research a little bit what makes a fan have good pressure, then proceed.
Usually, many fins with little space in between say "high pressure"... Reply
sanityvoid - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkDustin,
I posted another reply as I didn't see your reply right away. I appreciate the hell out of you trying this in the first place. I love reading Anandtech and come here most for builds, advice, or to browse the forums to see what everyone is doing with their rig's.
I think you did indeed open Pandora's box, but having said that I think a different poster is correct in saying that this is a welcome addition to other articles here at Anandtech. Much needed and many people do prefer water over air. I, myself, just bought and installed a H80 with my recent upgrade to my rig.
Keep up the good work and I certainly look forward to a part 2 of this.
Cheers! Reply
sanityvoid - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkI would also mention based on the sheer numbers of comments there is a definite reason to do a part 2 as so many people seem passionate about this area. Least you could pitch that to your editor that way!!! Reply
nubnubbins - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkI think the issue is that you have a random hodgepodge of fans included while passing over fans widely regarded as some of the best for radiators. As a baseline, you should have had a Yate Loon and Scythe Gentle Typhoon AP15. Yates are widely regarded as the best budget fan and AP15s the best lower noise rad fan. After that, the Cougar Vortex, Aerocool Shark, Gelid Wing, Noiseblockers, Noctua NF-P12 and NF-F12, and XSPC Xinrulian fans are all regarded as great radiator fans by the likes of MartinsLiquidLabs and those in the water cooling community.
It's nice to see some fan reviews, I think people are just disappointed that the staple radiator fans were left out and you had a disproportionate number of Corsair fans instead. Reply
Streetwind - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkGeez guys, calm down a bit! ;) Testing every fan on the market is more or less impossible. While I personally would have loved to see the Scythe/Nidec Servo GentleTyphoon make an appearance (especially since they're somewhat more obscure than they deserve), but the purpose of this article is not to crown "the best fan ever".
It is supposed to showcase "a good fan" for the job. Clearly there will be other good fans. Some may even be a little better. But so long as you're giving a customer a recommendation that's in the top 20% of products on the market, backed up by hard data, that's already going to help that customer a whole lot than forum posts stating "I can guarantee you that fan XYZ is the best, I have been using it for years". Because all that a post like that states is "I have not compared my fan to others in years and actually have no idea how good the competition is". Reply
Aikouka - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkThere's nothing wrong with people mentioning fans. In fact, it can be helpful as it gives Anandtech an idea of what people would like to see. They can take the mentioned devices, review their stats (and maybe even existing reviews) and possibly create another line-up.
Although, frothing rage is never appreciated, but I think people have been pretty civil. =) Reply
Hummingbird - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkI don´t think that this fan roundup really helps to decide which fan is the best out there as long as the Corsair H80´s radiator is far away in terms of it´s dimensions (depth and fin gaps/distance) from the standard radiators which are normally used for H2O setups. Reply
eric appla - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkThank you for efforts with the review Dustin. When I seen Anandtech doing fan review I was very excited that I'll see very detailed and scientific approach as I'm used to from AT articles. Unfortunately this review was not fully what I expected
What I'd find useful in the Fan reviewes is also some CFM mesurements and noise measurements.
Noise measurements are very tricky as even A weighted dBA noise level is not telling full story. I would suggest to provide noise spectral picture as it can show at what frequencies are the dominant components of the noise. Some fans do hum, some squeek.
On the CFM and static pressure front it will be interesting to measure them in few scenarios.
1) open air (case fan scenario)
2) dust filter (case fan scenario)
3) low restriction radiator for example XSPC RX series
4) medium restriction radiator for example XSPC RS series
5) high restriction radiator for example XSPC EX series
Pretty much every radiator manufacturer makes few different radiators optimized for different fans based on the static pressure and airflow they can deliver.
Full review like this will show people that there is no single best fan in the world, there are just best fans for particular usage scenarios.
Challange is on :)
For Fan reviews to use with radiators I usually go to websites specialized on this narrow subject such as martinsliquidlab or skineelab as they have the required test equipment. Have a look at what these guys do, I think you'll find it exciting and inspirational and as I know you based on your approach to reviewes you'll surely find a ways to improve their methodologies even further.
Thanks again for all the efforts Reply
krumme - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkA spectral plot wont bring us any closer, as there is dynamics involved to, and the charateristics of that dynamics. Besides that its expensive to do.
Just add a colum with subjective impression/valuation and notes, fx. clicking, high picth tone..., even distributed...
Its the subjective that matters in the end. Reply
Robalov - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkNice article and get's right to the point, however I'd like to see 20+ fans tested.
They're are so many touting that their 'special' design knocks the socks off the others.
Fans don't seem to get the air time (ba dum tiss) of other components are are left entirely up to personal recommendations on the forums, as the specs are just massaged or even outright lies.
As an aside, CoolerMaster really are a horrible brand. Reply
BlueReason - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkFirst off, it's nice to see Anandtech making an effort to evaluate fans, a component sorely under-prioritized in rig setups (not to mention extremely difficult to review).
However, as stated by others, the NF-F12 really should have been tested. I don't even like any of Noctua's other fans, but the F12 is possibly the most specialized, single-purpose consumer grade fan on the market, engineered ground-up for heatsink performance. Whether it delivers on that performance is debatable (in my experience, it does), but its exclusion from the comparison is rather odd.
Are any of the reviewed fans even PWM?
On a side note: some F12 units seem to have acoustic issues, hence the occasional "loud" comments. My first F12 suffered from this and was replaced by Noctua, to good effect. Reply
khanov - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkNo no no. You can't say that those Corsair fans win, since they only manage to equal the performance of Noctua's "old gentleman" NF-P12. That is not a win from Corsair as those Noctua's have been available for 6+ years now (but still it is a good first effort from Corsair).
None of the fans you tested can actually best the performance of a Noiseblocker M-12P at the same or lower sound pressure level on a low profile, high-fin-count rad. (and that is what these high pressure fans are for, right?). So the real winner is Noiseblocker, but you decided to exclude them along with Noctua. Shenanigans, Dustin.
Noctua's NF-P12 are a good second best for many peeps into water cooling and are usually available at a reasonable price. If you are planning to push/pull a 3x120 or 4x120 rad for example, then the cost of 6x or 8x your chosen fan adds up very quickly. So to be reasonable about it the Noctua's should realistically win simply because the Corsairs are WAY overpriced right now (flavour of the month?).
Noiseblocker's M-12P's are still the real performance winner (cooling vs perceptible noise) but may cost you several arms and legs to import depending where you live.
I like that you have a WC setup and are now testing fans vs. rads. I look forward to future fan/rad. tests but just do it properly please. Excluding the real players is like saying the new Ford Fiesta is the fastest car on the Nürburgring because you deliberately excluded any real competition! Reply
kg4icg - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkNice review. I'm using the H100 instead of the H80 and yes I am using the stock fans. The thing is, I also have the Corsair Link hooked up inside my system which is controlling fan and pump speed instead of 1 button on the cpu block. Ironically I have more power hookup's for fans than I have room for fans in my case. Reply
Iketh - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkCan't believe this fan was not included.
It has winglets designed specifically for static pressure. The bearing it uses is also 100% silent. At max RPM, the fan will get loud though because of the winglets, but completely silent mid-low. Reply
Onus - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkSo, once again, Crappermaster is caught lying about their products. Amazing. Reply
thralloforcus - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkI would have loved to see some Noctua, Noiseblocker, and Cougar fans tested. These seems to be pretty popular for radiators. I'm using the stock H100 fans right now in my H100, with two Noiseblocker M12-P fans for pull.
Of course I'm always looking for better performance! I was using two Panaflo FBA12G12H1BX fans with the stock fans, but it seemed that the voltages given out by the H100 were too low, and the fans kept shutting off. Reply
sanityvoid - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkI agree the Scythes AP-15's and Noctua F12's should have been included. I just spent 1 week going over different forums reading up on which worked best and which didn't. I'm also angling for low noise but even so the Noctua and Scythe still come up time and time again. Any google search on H80 best fans will return those two fans in the tops threads a real shame they were not included.
Expensive and somewhat hard to find I agree but I just bought the F12's off Amazon last night.
Disappointing that a Google search could bear more fruit than a article about this subject. Reply
versesuvius - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - link"....to eke every last ounce of performance (within reason) out of our systems."
Shouldn't that be (without reason) ? Reply
todlerix - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkanother vote for noctua Reply
sirizak - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkGreat review, for the products tested and for the scope I thought it was a good article.
I can understand some wishing for other fans to be tested but the amount of fans on the market today make this mostly impossible.
If you would like to see a massively broad range of fans tested in a controlled environment I recommend this thread. Slightly different application, being a Megahalems air cooler, but the range of fans and thorough testing can't be faulted.
Highly recommended if a little dated article, check out the Yate Loons. Reply
Runamok81 - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkAs others have pointed out, this review is lacking some key contenders for the rad fan crown. This will not stand Dustin! I demand a recount! Please do either another rad fan article, or atleast an update to this article. I trust Anandtech, and I'm desperate for my favorite review site to put its... spin on the rad fan debates swirling across the internet forums. Rad cooling is indeed a hot topic.
I'll admit, having purchased an H100 and fans yesterday, your article was perfectly timed but educationally lacking. I don't know how you can do a rad fan roundup without the enthusiast champ - Scythe AP15s, the ugly betty - Noctuas, or the newest darkhorse - Cougars peppering in a comparison. C'mon man, you are better than that! I want.. no .. I NEED Anandtech's opinion on these fans! Reply
macmuchmore - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkI definitely would have liked to see the Noctua fans included. However, this leads me to request a follow up article that includes a more comprehensive review which has additional fans from other manufacturers as well as a "quality of noise" rating. I know some people say that noctuas are not silent - and I don't disagree. I do believe that they are "nearly" silent and that the sound they make is the least annoying of any fan I have used. Thanks! Reply
will1220 - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkwhy would you test such under-performing 120mm fans? At least include the highest rated 120mm fan on the market: Scythe Ultra Kaze Reply
iceveiled - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkI'm a little confused how these fans will work with the H80 unit. The stock fans are rated at 3 different RPMs which the system designates as low/med/high, yet most of the fans here are rated at only a single RPM value.
Does that mean that the fans will only spin up at their rated RPM regardless of how hot or cool the liquid in the H80 gets? So for example regardless if the H80 fan profile setting is set low, medium or high, the corsair quiet editions fans will only spin at 1450 RPM, or can the corsair unit actually make them spin faster or slower?
Great article BTW..a little disappointed to see you only test in push configuration. The H80 is meant for push/pull and I'm sure the test results are completely different in push/pull. How many people get the H80 and only use one fan? Reply
mantikos - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkIf you haven't included a Sanyo Denki San Ace fan in your testing, your fan test is incomplete. These fans will blow your socks off. Reply
Runamok81 - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkI've heard the Sanyo Denki San Ace is one of the best performing fans on the market. If you have NO concern about the noise level.
Video and sound of a Sanyo Denki Ace
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0bvShNDT4M Reply
softdrinkviking - Friday, August 24, 2012 - linkSanyo Ace has wide range of fans, some of which are optimized for noise.
w w w . sanyo-denki.com/sanace.aspx Reply
mantikos - Sunday, August 26, 2012 - linkSanyo Denki has fans that are damn near silent to leaf blowers...and in either category they are the best. Although a little hard to find.
I have a Sanyo Denki hooked up to my radiator and I can tell you this thing is awesome! Reply
Beenthere - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - link...this type of testing doesn't provide much useful data as the results are only applicable to the hardware tested, i.e. the exact PC case, CPU/cooler, and peripherals as installed in this particular PC case.
The advertised airflow and static pressure mean absolutely NOTHING unless tested under the exact same industry standards by one source, on the same test equipment all at the same time. In addition how these fans actually perform in real use can be completely different than the advertised performance specs as the case/cooler/peripherals ALL influence the fans performance.
The reality is the only way to determine how any fan will actual perform in your PC is to test it. Chances are you won't find much difference between the top 5-10 fans that operate at approx. the same speed and with similar airflow, so you might as well just pick the one that makes you happy and forget it unless you want to test for entertainment purposes. Reply
prophet001 - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkAkasa Viper PWM fans is the best one I've used.
Noctua is good but they don't have the ability to output high CFM when necessary. Reply
Narg - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkI love that case, other than it's only ITX. Does anyone know if there is something similar in a Micro ATX or any ATX for that matter? Reply
C'DaleRider - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkGo to Xtremesystems, liquid cooling sub-forum, then the testing sticky. Inside you'll find Martin210's test of over 50 fans tested on a Swiftech MCR-120 rad. Further testing on higher density finned rads are also there, conducted by Vapor.
Sad this site tried to do with 8 fans what has been done with 50 fans, and counting. Reply
SantaAna12 - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkNice! I was ready for something straight ahead. I would like to see the Noctua included too. I own some, and found that them to be noisy. Coolermaster slapped down! Hardly a big surprise there....you get what you pay for....mostly. I ended up using Nexus....but would like to see a better cfm flow option that is truly quiet. Good review! Reply
996GT2 - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkWhy was the Gentle Typhoon line (especially the AP-15) not tested?
The AP-15 is one of the go-to fans for radiators. Not only does it have good static pressure, but it has a very acoustically pleasing noise characteristic. Reply
maximumGPU - Friday, August 24, 2012 - linkI got an GT-AP after after all the praise they got, and i was underwhelmed. They push a good amount of air but i certainly didn't find their noise "acoustically pleasing".
I hoped for better.
Of all the fans i tried, the best so far has been the TY-140 from thermalright.. But they're 140mm and look hideous. Reply
996GT2 - Friday, August 24, 2012 - linkIn my own testing the AP-15 @ about 1800 RPM sounded like my FDB bearing Scythe S-Flexes at about 14-1500 RPM. The AP-15 is inaudible to me at ~1000 RPM from a normal distance. Reply
Rocket321 - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkI appreciated this review and would also like to see a round two, thanks Dustin! Reply
krumme - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkSo people want 100 different coolers tested in 1000 different combinations, all with a spectrum analyzer plot.
Sounds like tax payers demand for public service
May i remind you about the conlusion.
Stock cooler works fine
Sorry to hurt upgrade feelings and the eternal upgrade identity :)
Another excellent, spot on, work by Dustin. Reply
ehume - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkI've done my own share of fan-testing. One is available in the AT forums, but the fuller cite is on OCN - The Well-Dressed Megahalems. I did an update on Vortez.net last month with 60 fans. My R4 Sickleflow does not fail the way this one did. It never even got warm, and performed pretty well. So I think Dustin got a bum copy.
Actually, I have 2 CM Sickleflow 2000's. They both run around 2000 rpm. Dustin, check your fan speed. If it is not running about 2K, it's not working properly.
On Sickleflow specs: even CM has admitted that it only runs 19 dB if it is slowed down. Now, as to why they have not corrected their "typo" . . .
Overall, this is a nice beginning. I would suggest noting someplace that your setup is stable at various ambient temps. If you can leave the block bolted to the cpu you can return to it later to test other fans.
Over at OCN in the water cooling section Martinm210 did a bunch of fan-testing on rads, both 120mm and 140mm. Worth looking at. As for individual fans on a rad, I believe the Gentle Typhoon Ap-15 is the standard benchmark. Reply
sirizak - Thursday, August 23, 2012 - linkI remember signing upto OCN to thank you for that article ehume.
Thank you again, that was how you a fan roundup!
I posted a link to the original article earlier in the comments.
Can we get a link to the Vortez.net article please? Reply
szimm - Friday, August 24, 2012 - linkI would have rather seen a review using the PWM version of the 120mm Bitfenix Spectre Pro, which is clearly built for radiator use - it has more than twice the static pressure of the non-PWM version. Reply
jabber - Friday, August 24, 2012 - linkThey appear to work a treat. No complaints.
I just looked for the one listed with the highest CFM for a set dB limit.
Not disappointed. Reply
cyberguyz - Friday, August 24, 2012 - linkthis review totally overlooked all the 120x38mm fans out there.
Forget the CFM numbers. When dealing with a radiator it is the ability of the fan to force air through tghe radiator - particularly double-core radiators that counts.
CFM numbers are obtains from open-air movement with no restrictions. Many of the 25mm thick fans fall off really fast as soon as you restrict the output side of that airflow. A 38mm thick fan can use a steeper blade pitch to push that air harder through dense radiator fins.
I run a pair of Panaflow 'Ultra fast' fans with 115 cfm + 0.313 in H2O, 7.95 mm H2O, (78.0 Pa) on an H100 radiator.
While dang loud at full speed I can dial them back to 7v and keep my computer relatively sane-sounding. If things get a little warm I can speed them up as needed. Never had to take them to 100% (12v) though. Reply
softdrinkviking - Friday, August 24, 2012 - linkI liked this comparison, but curious to see Sanyo Denki in the mix because they are pretty awesome fans. I think they may be a little high on acoustics, but they are extremely durable and very effective. (in personal experience)
Also, my enermax fan has been really amazing in my current rig, I think it has a great balance of cool/noise.
I guess I think you need a wider test base. While it's great that your tests show that fans matter, there are just so many more options out there that there can't be a clear recommendation based on this article. Reply
bigbluerobo - Friday, August 24, 2012 - linkif this review was posted 2 months sooner i would have saved 18 bucks with the CM sickle flows :( Reply
orclordrh - Friday, August 24, 2012 - linkThe H80 has a fan speed feature, but for those of us with lesser rads (H-60 in my case) a PWM fan or fans are preferable for noise. I've been searching for two (push-pull) since replacing my CPU with a 3770k, and finding that it's a major meltdown waiting to happen. I tried a pair of Noctua F12s, nice design, shame about the airflow, now serving as case fans. I also tried a Coolermaster or two. I'm back with the stock Corsair on the outside, backed with a Coolermaster Excalibur, which is at least keeping the 3770 cool, but has little headroom for overclocking. At least it's quiet unless it's under load. Reply
Zap - Friday, August 24, 2012 - linkIMO the most important revelation of this review/roundup is:
All else being equal, that is a fundamental fact that cannot be avoided. Sure you can push results one way or another with smart fan choice, but the fact remains that higher airflow (with static pressure, when used with restrictive rads) makes for better cooling as well as higher noise. Reply
BlueReason - Friday, August 24, 2012 - link"What may be most disappointing about this lineup, though, is the unfortunate fact that there may be no magic bullet radiator fan that's able to produce stellar thermals with low noise."
With all due respect... You tested six fans. Six. The Corsairs count as one, Captain Fan Control. Worse yet, only one of the models was actually designed for heatsink application, in a market where there are numerous others.
Oh yeah, the Silverstone's spiral grill is designed to PROJECT AIR ACROSS A DISTANCE. It's a case intake fan. C'mon.
Love ya, Dustin. Really. Do some research, gather some appropriate fans designed for or at least with a strong reputation for hsf use, and ask around about modern test methodology. Fan reviewing is a pain, I know. There's no convenient benchmark program for it. Here's one tip: Get access to a LongWin machine. If Linus at NCIX can get to one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uUXt7mE6Qg&fea... so can the web's preeminent computing site (that's you guys, bro). If you want credible fan analysis, you need data from professional equipment meant for it, not "Grandma's Blog" style guesswork.
Yes, fans matter, a lot; a fact that is being increasingly recognized. Thanks for getting on board. =) Reply
vectorm12 - Friday, August 24, 2012 - linkAs many have already pointed out I would really have liked to see some of Noctua's fans in the roundup as well as a couple of the Be Quiet! fans which at least on paper look pretty good. From a price perspective they seem to be in the same league as Noctua. Reply
DustoMan - Friday, August 24, 2012 - linkThank you for doing this roundup. When corsair came out with those fans, I through about swapping out the stock fans on my H80. Now I know to just save the time and money! Reply
MeanBruce - Friday, August 24, 2012 - linkAnyone that is using the NF-F12s with the LNAs 12v drop down inline attenuators is completely missing the entire boat here.
The NF-F12s are PWM fans, in PWM mode with a PWM fan controller either outboard or installed, will run a full range of 1200rpm way down to an inaudible to the human ear 300rpm or any other thermal/rpm profile the user wishes it to be.
Do some homework, then trial and error before posting, and Anand not including these fans is outrageous. Why come here.
1200rpm – 300 rpm. Mix it up and love your rig much more.
Get them airbrushed RED and BLACK, to avoid the hidden brown ad nauseam.
This just in from Noctua:
"The best way to adjust the speed of your pwm fans will be to either connect them to a 4pin mainboard fan header or to use an external fan speed controller that supports 4pin pwm fans. Because while it is possible to reduce the fan speed by lowering the voltage, only using them in pwm mode will allow you to get the fan speed as low as 300rpm."
Kind regards,
Alexander Dyszewski
Noctua support team
"I'm sorry, but I can't recommend you a specific fan controller.
However it might be possible to use multiple splitters (included with the fans) to connect your 3 fans to one channel/controller. Our NF-F12 fan is rated at 0,05A or 0,6W, which is quite low compared to other fans and therefore the fan controller should be able to handle 3 fans with in total 0,15A or 1,8W; but please check this with the fan controller specs or manual to be on the safe side."
Kind regards,
Alexander Dyszewski
Noctua support team
"At 300rpms for the NF-F12s, 6 to 8dB sounds about right, we didn't publish the values for minimum fan speed, because it gets difficult to make reliable measurements at such low noise levels. In real world terms the NF-F12 is inaudible when spinning at minimum fan speed."
Kind regards,
Alexander Dyszewski
Noctua support team Reply
freespace303 - Saturday, August 25, 2012 - linkThese articles is why this site is on my favorites bar. Thank you! Reply
Capt Proton - Saturday, August 25, 2012 - linkI finf this review unworthy of the usually high standards Anandtech has represented to me. Not including such obvious choices as Gentle Typhoons and Noctua's is an extremely puzzling choice. If one follows threads on fans for either air or water cooling, it is obvious that the Gentle Typhoon's are certainly one of the most popular. Not to include them opens the possibility of a hidden agenda, though I am not sure what that may be. Reply
random2 - Saturday, August 25, 2012 - linkIt always amazes me when I see reviewers overlook very good and very popular products. Yes, I'm another damned Noctua fan. No pun intended. :-) Reply
n13L5 - Sunday, August 26, 2012 - linkIts a very small selection of fans to start... fans are cheap, could have really gotten some more, including the Noctua, Alpenfoehn, Thermalright, Noiseblocker, Phanteks, Papst, BeQuiet, Xilence...
And then, why oh why are you calling 30 dB your noise floor???
In my room, which has some sound damping, but is still far from an anechoic chamber, I've measured down to ~10 dB.
When people set up their systems with enough fans and well tuned automated fan control, they can get a gaming system that's below 15 dB during office work and still stays around 20 dB during gaming, given the right GPU choice, like Gigabyte's 3 fan OC Windforce series. Reply
flowrush - Thursday, August 30, 2012 - linkWould also liked to have seen my lovely Silent Eagle by Sharkoon. Dimples ftw! Reply
Ragesystem - Monday, August 27, 2012 - linkTerrible
Ignoring the questionable quality of the single pass radiator, or that of an all in one rad, I'm not sure where you pulled those results for the sickleflow, because it's well known that those fans are excellent for radiators. Something isnt right here.
I would stay away from the noctua nf-p12 if youre going for a heavy oc, they are okay in dual or triple pass rads or in non-oc sitations, they just dont cut it. Reply
Similicuir - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkI found a (french unfortunatly) test here : http://www.hardware.fr/articles/867-15/noctua-nf-f...
of NF-F12 PWM, it seems they are also testing it on radiator...doesn't look so great compared to others, especially when you consider their price. Reply
maxcellerate - Friday, March 15, 2013 - linkI loved the French article or rather the translation: much more fun not quite knowing what's meant.
But numbers are the same in any language and the clear winner was the Cooler Master Excalibur; which left favourites like the Cougar Vortex, Arctic Cooling, Scythe and Noctua for dust. And yet it doesn't appear on anybody's list of 'best fans'. It's number 1 position is also borne out in this very pertinent review http://www.techreaction.net/2011/12/20/water-cooli...
Which goes one step further than the French article, rather than just measuring air flow through a radiator (or not) measure the resultant temperature drop. Which after all is what it's all about (Yes, I go for performance over noise, within reason, I don't want to sit next to a hoover).
But what's most interesting to me about the techreaction article is that ALL the fans are within a 3 Celsius of each other.
Which tells me that there's really not much difference fans.
OK, there's only 15 fans reviewed, and there's no 1.99 'fan-u-like' fan reviewed; but there is a 3.99 Yate Loon which holds it's end up admirably.
So bottom line is: it's no disaster which fan you stick on your cpu cooler.
But as we all know, a 3 degree cooler cpu is a happy cpu.
Though yet again the 3.99 Yate Loon D12SM-12, has to be a no-brainer (if you can find someone who will sell you ONE).
Then again the Cooler Master Excalibur is 1.8 degree cooler... Reply
Daggarhawk - Wednesday, August 29, 2012 - linki agree with other commentators. this is a really interesting article, and helpful. dustin is on point again.
would love to see the scythe, noctua and thermalright fans reviewed. particularly interested in thermalright since their silver arrow has led the pack in air cooling, and they are known for performance w quietness throughout their line. Reply
jabelsk - Saturday, September 01, 2012 - linkSpecs given by fan manufacturers (just like specs on flat screen TV's) are COMPLETELY MADE UP. I'm glad this story was written so more people can learn the truth. Here's another source of information on the subject:
Also another way they mislead the consumer is by perpetuating the idea that fans are built for CFM *OR* static pressure. Physics says as CFM goes down pressure goes up and vice versa. So a good fan will be good at *BOTH* CFM and pressure, not one or the other, just more misleading marketing. Reply
jabelsk - Saturday, September 01, 2012 - linkFan specs given by manufacturers (just like specs on flat screen TV's) are COMPLETELY MADE UP. I'm glad this story was done so more people can learn the truth. Here is some more info on the subject:
Also another way they mislead consumers is by perpetuating the idea that fans are only good at CFM *OR* static pressure. Physics tells us as CFM goes down pressure goes up and vice versa. A good fan will be good at *BOTH* CFM and pressure, not one or the other, just more misleading marketing. Reply
jabelsk - Saturday, September 01, 2012 - linksry double post. someone delete pls. Reply
LoneWolf15 - Sunday, September 09, 2012 - linkBoth Noctua and Scythe apparently didn't make the cut. People here have already commented about Noctua, so I'll talk about Scythe. What, no Gentle Typhoons? They aren't cheap, but they're darned fine fans. I use Scythe S-Flex (FDB) fans as well, but the Typhoons are probably better for radiator use. Seeing as both Noctua and Scythe are highly regarded in the enthusiast crowd, I'm disappointed to see them missing in action. Reply
cronos1013 - Friday, September 28, 2012 - linkDustin,
OK so by doing this article and ignoring the 2 fans widely recognized as the best radiator fans on the 120mm market, you are showing how little credibility you have in this area, and how you didn't really do ANY research before going about testing these.
It's time to suck it up, buy 2 more fans and rerun these tests...because come on...nobody wants to know what the best of the under performing fans for radiators are.
-Chris Reply
JonnyDough - Monday, October 22, 2012 - linkbut what about fans that aren't mounted against one? Surely they will produce different noise than one pressed against a radiator. Reply
ikaboo154 - Thursday, November 15, 2012 - linkAccording to the graphs, the NZXT is as quiet as the Nexus.
The NZXT also cools better than the Nexus.
The conclusions says the Nexus is quieter than the NZXT, yet on the graph they both measure 30dB.
Since, the NZXT is cheaper and cools better than the NEXUS, I'm going to buy the NZXT unless someone can reassure me that the Nexus is quieter.
TLDR: Is the Nexus quieter than the NZXT? If so, is the graph just inaccurate? Reply
Freezer64 - Saturday, February 22, 2014 - linkSo this was basically a ploy to market the H80, and boost sales @ Corsair. Maybe next time you run a test like this you'll use fans that people actually use instead of garbage you found @ Fry's. Terrible review, you should be fired! Reply
cerealkeller - Wednesday, September 30, 2015 - linkI have been using the Cooler Master Sickle Flow 120mm Fans for years and have been very satisfied with their performance. They run quiet and move a relatively good amount of air for $10 a piece. Based on this review I bought a set of the Corsair SP120s to replace my Cooler Masters on my 240x60mm radiator. I don't know why the hell your Cooler Masters ran 30C higher than the Corsairs because I only saw 2C drop in load temps and 1C drop in idle temps switching to the Corsairs at max RPM. I'm not impressed. I'm glad my temps dropped, but I was hoping for at least 5C. I'm planning to try the Noctua NF-F12 next. It's crazy expensive for a fan, but I would like to see my temps hit below 40C under load, they're at 52C atm with the SP120s. That is with push only, not push pull. Reply


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Talk about a heavy cross to bear.
Nathan Grindal's striking resemblance to Jesus got him booted from a recent darts tournament in England, ABC News reported.
Grindal, 33, who has long hair and a full beard, was sitting in the stands of the tournament in Somerset when nearby spectators began chanting "Jesus!, Jesus!" during the final match.
Soon, most of the 4,500 fans in attendance got in on the act, and security led Grindal to another area of the stadium, deciding the chanting was too much of a distraction to players Phil Taylor and Kim Huybrechts, The Mirror reported.
Fans found the incident hilarious, but Grindal wasn't laughing.
"It was distressing," he told The Mirror. "I was emotionally distraught. The crowd were bullying me and picking on me. It would have been OK if security hadn't made a fuss getting me out."
Huybrechts, the runner-up, later signed Grindal's program with the words: "To Jesus. Hard luck mate."
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