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NVIDIA Tegra Note 7 Reviewby Brian Klug on 11/12/2013 9:01 AM EST
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adityarjun - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkIs the pen lag even less than the galaxy note 10.1 2014 and the Microsoft surface pro 2? (I know they are in completely different price ranges but i want to compare)
And i am quite surprised that the stylus has less lag than note 3? That is a very costly device. And it doesn't fell laggy at all. Reply
zodiacsoulmate - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linki think on my surface pro the pen lag is not bad considering pressure level sensitivity and the huge canvas and brushes i use. Taking note in onenote is awesome, although onenote is having hard time syncing a large print out document(no idea why). hover is critical when painting. Wacom layer is accurate if calibrated correctly, but it's basically impossible on the edges and corners. i'm using 300 point self calib , it's still very very bad on edge and corners. but for note taking it's good enough. Reply
althaz - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkSurface Pro 2 is much better around the edges and corners, just FYI :). Reply
newandroidfan - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkThis EVGA Nvidia Note 7 tablet is a killer!! Check out the full review right here!! http://goo.gl/mMaaiA Reply
ethanolson - Tuesday, March 04, 2014 - linkThis tablet is the same one as the HP Slate7 Extreme. Well... the back is different. Everything else is the same, even the speaker grill. Reply
Mr smurf - Wednesday, November 13, 2013 - linkI read in another article that the tegra note actually has a fifth core in its processor clocked at about 800mhz which is designed specifically for the pen and it also looks for where the pen is on the screen about 300 times a second making it amazingly smooth Reply
Yojimbo - Friday, November 15, 2013 - linka fifth core is standard in the tegra 4 line, it's a low-power core intended to save battery life while doing basic tasks by allowing the other cores to be shut off. This Anandtech article says that NVidia is using that low power companion core to also process the stylus input, although from my recollection, the author listed the frequency of the core at something around 670MHz. Reply
adityarjun - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkAll in all which would be the best options for note taking (keeping in mind that larger screen is a plus but more weight is a minus)- note 10.1 2014, surface pro 2, this, or an ipad with an external stylus like wacom bamboo? Reply
GrzegorzWidla - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkIf you are serious about your notes, Surface Pro 2 hands down. Reply
retrospooty - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkI thought that... Then I saw a Lenovo Yoga 2 Pro in a best buy. Really nice alternative... Reply
Morawka - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkarent those yoga 2's $1500 Reply
ddriver - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkAnd if you are really serious - use pen and paper. And if the environmental impact is a major factor - scan, ocr and recycle the paper ;)
Nothing beats pen and paper, and especially not a glossy screen. It is mighty inconvenient to use a stylus on a glossy surface, it is just too damn slippery and does not have the nice grip of paper. I am looking to get some kind of a matte screen protector for my note 3, the pen feels much, much better on a matte surface, tested on my dell monitor, much more grip and much better control over the tip. Reply
zodiacsoulmate - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkI use surface pro and it completely replaced paper(even math assignments). when i print the solution out, it looks the same as i wrote it on paper but cleaner. Reply
Krysto - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkWhat's wrong with the Note? Surface Pro also comes twice as much, and feels twice as heavy. That being said, I'd rather wait for Galaxy Note 12.2 if I was an artist. Reply
frostyfiredude - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkI've got a Pro 2. Couple things I can think of for getting a Surface Pro(2) over a Note:
-I've yet to see a program that handles notes as well as OneNote does. The syncing, cross platform support, pressure sensitivity, drawing tools and little things like the print driver together are awesome.
-Slightly bigger screen makes notes more comfortable, I find the Pro 2 to be barely big enough so even being 10% or so smaller the Note 10.1 will feel notably less comfortable to work with.
-Looking at videos online, palm rejection is clearly better implemented with the Surface (Microsoft nailed this). This is a big deal for making the note taking process feel comfortable and natural.
An artist has even more reason to go Pro, with all the powerful tools like Adobe CS, Corel's painting programs and their add ons. Android's tools are a massive compromise in comparison, the couple artists I know have been less than satisfied with their run-ins with the Android options thus far. Reply
fbales - Sunday, December 01, 2013 - linkDisagree. Sorry, but for less than 200 bucks it is not hands down for a Surface Pro 2. Not saying it's not a better tablet, what I'm saying this Tegra Note 7 is pretty hard to beat for the price. And don't be put off by the screen resolution. It's the same as the first Nexus 7 which reviewers raved about. Certainly not the best, but still very good. Reply
GrzegorzWidla - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkIf stylus works that well, it baffles me why Microsoft has not brought that tech to Surface 2 RT.
That would be a killer feature at half of Surface 2 Pro price. In fact, if Surface 2 had a active digitizer (or alternative technology that works well), I wouldn't need Pro at all. Reply
BoneAT - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkPerformance and price point is nice, but everything else is underwhelming, especially the screen.
I hoped for the Nexus 5 review haha, but I guess y'all waiting for tomorrow's update? Reply
Wade_Jensen - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkHas Brian lost his nexus 5 or something? I'm starting to think it must benchmark boost to keep him quiet that long. Reply
ISwearImCool - Saturday, November 16, 2013 - linkOr maybe, he really likes it. The HTC One review took like a month. He puts more time into things he likes. Compare HTC One vs S4 Reply
amdwilliam1985 - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkSame here, I was hoping for the Nexus 5 review, from the Hangouts they did last time, it sounds like it should be coming soon, hopefully tomorrow.
I'm kind of waiting for "Brian's stamp of approval" before I hit the purchase button for the 32GB Nexus 5. Reply
augiem - Thursday, November 14, 2013 - link"but everything else is underwhelming, especially the screen."
While I think a 1080 screen would be nice, I can certainly see why Nvidia chose to go lower. Look at the on-screen benchmarks like T-Rex. This tab is easily 2x the speed of the 2013 Nexus 7. Nvidia, afterall, has made their living in games for the most part. This is actually a very smart choice for gaming concerns. You're not going to notice much in a game. Desktop/web, sure, but not in most games. Reply
mkumar12345 - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkI find it really hard to believe that someone find noticeable latency in Note 3. That has just not been my experience. It seems to be on par with surface pro 2. Only issue is lack of onenote app with inking capability on Android but Microsoft is the one to blame for that. Reply
ddriver - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkThere is noticeable latency on the note 3, but pretty much on part with wacom tablets I've used, I've never used a cintiq in order to be able to track the pen and the cursor side by side, so the latency is masked when the tablet is standalone and the result is visualized on another display.
That being said, latency is not all that bad, it is good enough for writing and occasional sketching, and hopefully will get better when google finally manage to deliver on their long-overdue promise of reducing android latencies to reasonable levels Reply
Drumsticks - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkMicrosoft is to blame for wanting to differentiate their tablets? Google doesn't even share YouTube with windows 8 or WP8 sadly.
And android would have multi-window apps if Samsung would share with everyone else. Companies like to differentiate themselves, that's nobody's fault. Reply
ddriver - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkEven though it is a larger form factor and not a phone, I think it should have been also compared to the galaxy note 3, feature and performance wise.
Also, maybe the review author should post a scan of his regular handwriting on paper to compare to what he did on the note... Right now I cannot tell whether it is case of terrible handwriting or a device, not particularly good at capturing it. Reply
DigitalFreak - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkI'd rather spend $30 more and get the Nexus 7 2013. Reply
JeffFlanagan - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkSame here if I still had use for a 7" tablet, but I haven't touched my Nexus 7 v1 since I got my Galaxy Note 3. Fitting a big-enough 1080p screen in my pants pocket beats a bigger screen that I have to carry. This might change with winter arriving and the switch to a coat with big pockets. Reply
Tehk17 - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkWhy? Reply
BigLan - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkCould you retest the web battery life for the 2013 n7? I've had mine since launch and never been able to get anywhere close to 12 hours - 7 or 8 is more typical, and is what most users at xda report too. I know the display gets calibrated to 200 nits, but anand is the only review I've seen claiming anywhere near that kind of battery life. Reply
Anonymous Blowhard - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkDidn't see any mention of this; I see it does have Console Mode, but what about the NVIDIA GamePad Mapper software? Reply
geniekid - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkThe one reason I'd get this over the Nexus 7 is for the microSD slot.
Also, I would think the lower resolution would come with some battery savings. I wonder if the inefficiency here lies with the SoC or the display (or something else). Reply
PC Perv - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkWhat did you use to take pictures? They are horrendous. Reply
drexnx - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkfeel it all around? lol Reply
geniekid - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkI can't wait for the day when the state of mobile gaming will be such that reviews can focus on actual gameplay benchmarks instead of all the synthetics. Reply
Pirks - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkIt's already like that on iPad but why would you even be interested in any benchmarks on iPad? Reply
Simon42 - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkYou said nothing about the sub-par 1gb of ram! Do you have a test that could contrast it with 2gb devices, or at least some subjective impressions? I like to multitask a lot, open 10 tabs and switch from one app to the other, and I highly doubt this thing's superfast CPU can fully compensate for it. I've always felt that my Android devices improved mostly because they went from 512mb and 1gb to 2gb; that with my expectations and with the way I use my devices it has been more beneficial than upgrading to Qualcomm's excellent quad cores.
I'm actively looking at something better suited to my needs and with a wider screen than my current 2013 Nexus 7. An SD card to exceed 32gb cheaply - I have lots of PDFs and MP3s - is crucial because any storage becomes slow when full (and now 4.3's TRIM eats battery when it has to work hard) and the stylus implementation looks great, but I won't trade the Nexus' glorious screen, RAM and amazing battery life for some extra speed I hardly need and which is probably only available when RAM is not full.
I was awaiting HP's Slate 8 and I was getting excited about its screen, but it's now confirmed that it too has only 1gb RAM so I'll want to try it but I probably won't buy it unless it multitasks just as well as what I currently have. Does anyone know of any upcoming Tegra 4 device with enough RAM and under 500 grams? I might have to wait for Chinese tablets with that combo and leftover iPad mini screens (Retina or not) or 8.9 inch full HD panels... Reply
Dribble - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkTend to agree - the 1GB or ram would be a killer for me. Think they would have been better charging $250 for a 2GB ram and a full HD screen. Then you might think nexus is nice but for $20 I get an SD card, stylus better sound and a faster soc. Easy sell. Reply
ddriver - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkiphones have 1 gb of ram, so "logically" 1 gb ram is the best amount of ram Reply
zodiacsoulmate - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linknot on android, but kitkat is opitimized for 512 and less ram? maybe facebook app will stop taking up 80mb of ram... Reply
ddriver - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkBlame Java for that, it is one of the worst programming languages in terms of memory efficiency. And naturally, the lousy developers... heck, the skHype on my PC right now consumes 102 MB of ram, I'd say any developer who produces a simple messaging app that takes 100 mbs of ram idling should be fired out of a cannon into the sun. Reply
Dribble - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linknexus 5, 7 have 2GB, some android tablets now have 3GB.
iPad/iPhone handle less ram better but that's because they don't really multi task, and even then they don't have enough - e.g. browsing web have a load of tabs open and it'll keep reloading pages if you switch between them loosing anything you had done in them. I wouldn't buy an iPad with 1GB either. Reply
BallGum - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkI would say wait for the Nexus 10 2013.
It has a larger screen, that much we know for sure.
A potential leak occurred a short while ago which I have detailed over at my blog here: http://theballofgum.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/nexus-1...
I hope that information helps,
BallGum Reply
ChanduG - Wednesday, November 13, 2013 - link1080P needs 2GB RAM otherwise you won't need 2GB. Reply
ESC2000 - Wednesday, December 25, 2013 - linkAgree about the RAM.... really too bad esp RAM is crucial on Android. Course I don't need another tablet anyway bc I bought the nexus 7 2013 in July and got the Dell venue pro 8 in the awesome microsoft sale a few weeks back. Reply
lever_age - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkI don't really follow the tablet market. Is there anything with a similar price with similar GPU performance? Seems like it makes a strong case for the price as a gaming device, but do people actually play those 3D games on Android? I mean... touchscreen lag, controls... I don't even want to get started. You can use a controller, but that kills the portability unless maybe we're talking Shield. Reply
TraderHorn - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkYour 3d Mark physics score for the Asus T100 appears to be incorrect. I noticed the same thing in the initial review ofthe Asus T100. The number seems to mixed up with the graphics score. Reply
kdr9hu5 - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkAnd I stopped reading after the bit about the display resolution... For $30 just get the Nexus 7. Reply
Pirks - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkTegra Note pwns Nexus 7 in game framerates, and it will pwn even next version of Nexus 7 judging by how poor Nexus 7 GPU showed off in on-screen benchmarks. If you are after gaming tablet, Tegra Note is light years ahead of competition right now. Reply
lmcd - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkOn-screen means that the T4 was doing 2/3 or less of the work. Reply
TraderHorn - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkYour 3d Mark physics score for the Asus T100 appears to be incorrect. I noticed the same thing in the initial review of the Asus T100. The number seems to be mixed up with the graphics score.
-Sorry for the double post- accidentally hit reply instead of posting a new comment. Reply
kishorshack - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkThis review could have waited
I was waiting for nexus review :( Reply
nedjinski - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkWhy isn't the Kindle Fire HDX in this review? Reply
PC Perv - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkMay I remind your bias, Mr. Klug?
HTC One Display: http://anandtech.com/show/6747/htc-one-review/10
Galaxy S4 Display: http://anandtech.com/show/6914/samsung-galaxy-s-4-...
Galaxy Note 3 Display: http://anandtech.com/show/7376/samsung-galaxy-note...
And yet for Shield and this Note copycat "Tegra Note," all you can say is "I am grateful for NVIDIA." Seriously? Where are all the rants (against Samsung) and lavish compliments (for HTC) along with detailed tables and color charts? How about some talk about accuracy of so-called sRGB mode that you are so grateful for?
If you think "not lying" is enough, think again. Your readers are more intelligent than that. "Lying by omission" is as bad a sin as any in this business. Reply
quickbunnie - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkhttp://anandtech.com/Gallery/Album/3205 Reply
JoshHo - Wednesday, November 13, 2013 - linkYou're awfully angry over Nvidia's attempt to provide a calibrated screen mode.
Obviously it's not great, but in all likelihood the cheaper display is the gating factor here, not the calibration setting. Samsung has no excuse when they're selling phones for 500+USD. Reply
SilthDraeth - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkI thought the original Nexus 7, and the successor had GPS, yet you left them off the comparison table. Reply
PC Perv - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - link(OEM) Giving exclusives to bloggers guarantees some degree of positive reviews. (see also: "Shield" review) This is a sad reality where bloggers and corporations are shackled to the same food chain. Reply
tviceman - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkIt really is a shame they couldn't go at least 1680x1050 on this tablet. Reply
Pirks - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkPreordered! Reply
bleh0 - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkNo reason to get the Nexus 7 anymore. Outside of the display and a few other things the Tegra Note seems to be the superior device. Reply
Pirks - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkyeah, and especially for gaming it's absolutely top notch, just like iPad, but more than twice cheaper, I'll preorder a couple more Tegra Notes today for my buddies in commie-infested Canada LOL Reply
Da W - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkCommie-infested Canada? What Canada you talkin' bout? Sure ain't good ol western Canada, we shot all those damn commies a while ago! Reply
Pirks - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkI'm talking about high taxes and "free" waitlist laden healthcare, smells like a commie to me :P Reply
quickbunnie - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkOne of the pictures says tegra note 3 instead of 7.
Also, shouldn't the white point average be a deviance from 6504 and ordered from smallest to largest? Currently the worst offenders are on top, inconsistent with all the other display graphs. Reply
Hrel - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkNot even past the first page, Asus Nexus 7 wins. Resolution, by far. It doesn't even cost more, it costs less... wtf? Reply
UpSpin - Wednesday, November 13, 2013 - linkOut of the resolution (and with it the required more RAM) I don't see any other advantages the Nexus 7 offers.
The Tegra Note 7 is, prorably, more intended for young people, maybe those who study, with a small focus on gaming:
- Much faster SoC
- Pressure sensitive note taking to properly annotate PDF documents or take notes (awkward on the Nexus 7), the only other option to take proper notes is the the much more expensive Galaxy Tablet with a WACOM digitizer.
- better sound, due to stereo front facing speakers
- SD-Card support, which, in my opinion, for a tablet, is major advantage to load larger movies etc. on the tablet.
- $30 less expensive
So considering the price and the features, I think it's a great tablet, and depending on the usage, offers more than the Nexus 7.
Still, I hope they also release a Tegra 10 Note, for maybe $300, with a HD Display and note taking capability, the would be awesome and a Galaxy Tab Note killer. Reply
Yojimbo - Friday, November 15, 2013 - link<quote> The Tegra Note 7 is, prorably, more intended for young people, maybe those who study, with a small focus on gaming </quote>
True, except for one thing. A 7 inch tablet seems small for full-time note-taking. 7 inches is a good size for using at various times throughout the day, but if I were a full-time student using it hours each day and expected to do so for years, I would definitely demand something at least 10 inches, preferrably larger, say 12 or 13. Reply
Hrel - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkNvidia is doing something kinda weird lately. They're taking chances, very safely. It'll be very interesting when all these products reach a stage of maturity. 2015/2016 maybe? Reply
andrewaggb - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkI agree. They are interesting to watch at the moment. Losing out on all 3 console deals and the vast majority of the tablet/phone market leaves you with a hole to fill. I hope they pull through.
They're in a similar situation to AMD, but seemingly doing more about it. Reply
polaco - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkthey haven't been able to sell those tegra 4 chips to anyone. Many times those chips don't match the specifications they promise to hardware vendors and thus they have turned their back to NVidia. Now they are desperatly trying to find a market to tegra 4 chips at any cost. Reply
BryanC - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkDo you have a source for this? Other than Mr. Demerjian? #sigh Reply
Krysto - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkI'm hoping for a 10-12" Tegra Note with a Tegra 5 chip and a higher resolution (at least 1920x1200), next year. Too bad Nvidia won't be making any ARMv8 chips next year, though, because I would've also liked that. Making Tegra 5 at 28nm will be pretty disappointing, too, but anyways, just show me a larger tablet with this tech. Reply
darwinosx - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - linkI'd much rather seen an iPad Mini review since people will actually buy and use those unlike this hunk of junk. Reply
Raghu - Wednesday, November 13, 2013 - linkPretty good demo of what its capable
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtZz4PjcAUk Reply
darkich - Wednesday, November 13, 2013 - linkWhy aren't you including the Note 3 in your benchmark charts?
Please answer Reply
will2 - Wednesday, November 13, 2013 - linkBrian, as you were understandably comparing the Tegra Note7 against N7.2 and commented on the N7.2 being better in having 2band WiFi, then WHY did you omit the N7.2 Wifi Benchark ? (useful to publish speed v range)
Also, I realise the N5 is arguably too small to be considered a tablet, but being a high interest current model, would be very handy to update your tables with N5 benchmarks Reply
Arbie - Wednesday, November 13, 2013 - linkI'm sad to see an Anandtech review distorted by personal preferences. Brian seems determined to deprecate or when possible ignore SD card capabilities. The ability to instantly swap huge amounts of media in and out is obviously important to anyone who seeking such a tablet for watching video. The Tegra 7 has this slot; the Nexus 7 sadly does not. But - this fact doesn't even make it into the concluding list of pros and cons!! Brian reluctantly gives the SD slot half of a disinterested sentence somewhere else, after the pages of fit and finish descriptions he is prone to. This is ludicrously unfair to the Tegra and a disservice to those readers who focus on the conclusions. I would pay $50 EXTRA to have the SD slot, on any tablet. The fact that Brian has no use for it doesn't mean it should be excluded from the review! Who's minding the store here? Reply
29a - Wednesday, November 13, 2013 - linkYou should review the Sero 7 Pro. Better specs than the 1st Gen Nexus 7 for $50 less. Reply
Death666Angel - Thursday, November 14, 2013 - linkCosts exactly the same here in Germany. 170^€ for the 8GB Sero 7 Pro and 165€ for a 16GB Nexus 7 2012. It seems to only have DDR2 RAM (at least the sellers advertise it as such), it lacks some battery power, but it does have miniHDMI and a back camera. Note exactly sure those are better specs. Reply
JaredNihilist - Wednesday, November 13, 2013 - linkThe lack of expandable storage in the N7 was the only thing holding me back from getting a tablet finally. This may indeed be my solution! The battery life doesn't bother me, might just have to trial the screen in-store...But who knows when Australian (especially regional cities) will have them in... Reply
meelahi - Thursday, November 14, 2013 - linkWill it be possible for Surface 2 to attain the same stylus capability given that they share the SoC? Reply
Death666Angel - Thursday, November 14, 2013 - linkGreat article!
One thing: in the table on the first page you list under "WiFi/Connectivity" GPS/GLONASS for the Tegra Note, but not for the Nexus. I'm pretty sure they have GPS as well. :)
This is a pretty good product all things considered. Not something for me, I'm happy with the Nexus 7 2013 and wouldn't trade the display for anything lower res and I already have a note taking device. But the cheaper price, beefier SoC, stylus make this quite competitive I believe. Kudos to nVidia! Reply
ESC2000 - Friday, November 15, 2013 - linkNice balanced review - thanks! Reply
ZaZaraPePerkins - Wednesday, November 20, 2013 - linkThe tablet, though worth the look over, is still slightly not as great as the Nexus 7, slightly by meaning a 40 percent to 100 percent difference http://versus.com/en/nvidia-tegra-note-7-vs-google... With higher resolution, lighter body and more storage, the money is worth every penny on the Nexus 7. http://some.ly/1dhuRBr
Just my opinion, but check the stats yourself. Reply
rishabgarg - Saturday, March 01, 2014 - linkis tegra note 7 support dongle
or any other way to access internet except wifi option Reply
chaitanya15 - Monday, August 11, 2014 - linkWhere can I get the slide cover for Tegra Note 7 in India, either online or in the market. Unable to find one :( Reply


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A public "Thank You" ................
Posted 21 March 2013 - 10:48 PM
I truly believe that the Potters Council has an important role to fill in the ceramic arts community, and I really look forward to seeing how we continue to evolve and develop in order to provide opportunities, services, and benefits for the membership. As immediate Past President for the next year I will continue to do my best to continue to further our mission and goals.
The organization is now in good hands with Steven Branfman leading the way.
Thanks again.
Immediate Past President
John Baymore
Adjunct Professor of Ceramics; New Hampshire Insitute of Art
Former Guest Professor, Wuxi Institute of Arts and Science, Yixing, China
Former President and Past President; Potters Council
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Shirley Potter
Posted 08 April 2013 - 11:57 PM
John, I don't know how I missed this. You giving us thankyous? We have followed your lead, and with certainty, for as your posts in the forums reflect your knowledge and willingness to share that knowledge, they have also been an inspiration to all of us Potters Council members. Steven has been my go-to-guy when I have questions about raku methods and procedures--his books are the best. I hope he will take the time to contribute to the various forums and share his expertise just as you have. You have meant a lot to us all.
Shirley Potter
Dear John,
I second that motion. Without a doubt, whenever I saw your name come up on the forum I was always thankful. You eased my mind soooo many times over this past year in setting up my own studio. Additionally, you could read between the lines in my questions. In short, I am guessing you read people well and have done a top-notch and absolutely fabulous job in your past role. You always, always had encouraging words. You will be missed.
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AMD's SB750: Enabling Higher Phenom Overclocks?by Gary Key on 7/23/2008 12:00 AM EST
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bbqchickenrobot - Monday, August 11, 2008 - linkThis article claims the PCIe slots are 1.x when they are in fact 2.0 as stated in the manual, website and other sources.
Just wanted to make everyone aware of this. There are four total PCIe 2.0 that can run 2x PCIe 2.0 cards at x16/x16 or 4x PCIe 2.0 cards at x8/x8/x8/x8
To get around this, get an X2 version of the Radeon HD 3870 or 4870 and then crossfire with another one or drop down to a standard 3870/4870 Reply
MikeODanyurs - Wednesday, August 06, 2008 - linkAnyone see AMD OverDrive 2.1.2 available for download yet? It's Wednesday the 6th, official release day of 790GX+SB750. Reply
CZroe - Monday, July 28, 2008 - link"it's unclear whether or not whatever AMD is doing here can even work on K8 if they tried."
Nope. I've been waiting for a board/BIOS maker to expose this chipset setting since the Athlon XP Mobile Barton CPUs first made me aware of it. My Mobile Barton Athlon XP was basically a completely unlocked bin-sorted Athlon XP 3200+ that was stable at lower voltages expected to be run at much-lower voltages and clock speeds.
With it, I discovered that there was clearly a chipset setting not exposed when my Mobile Barton failed to reach 200/400FSB in an nForce2 Ultra400 board (the Shuttle board inside my SN45G XPC... the FN45-whatever IIRC) while the same CPU could easily do 450+FSB in an Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe and an Abit NF7-S. The solution? Drop a thin wire inside the socket to make this completely unlocked CPU *DEFAULT* to 400FSB and it runs perfectly fine and can even go higher (the L12 trick/mod).
With the default FSB being the only difference (all settings/frequencies, including the FSB, were the same), it was very clear that it was related to a calibration setting that was automatically applied by the chipset based on the default FSB (100MHZ/200FSB for this unlocked CPU). Previously, I could only get to 333FSB before Memtest 86+ would start giving errors. There were some reports of even the overclocking boards (mentioned earlier) getting higher with the L12 trick and later many had BIOS updates and board revisions that seemingly integrated the trick. Regardless, the setting was still not exposed and was likely not even something the board/BIOS makers could expose (though they could spoof the default FSB I'd assume). It looks like AMD, having full control of chipset and board-level options here, has finally let the cat out of the bag.
Although the FSB has become the HT bus, the behavior is the same. Changing the calibration setting allows for higher clocks while actually becoming unstable at lower clocks. Ever accidentally erased the OSCAL calibration value on a PIC microcontroller and had to find a working value through trial and error? I'm guessing that this is why it was automatic before. Reply
initialised - Sunday, July 27, 2008 - linkLeads me to suspect that ACC is a means of adjusting the substrate potential to provide a bias to the bottom of the SOI stack to control the threshold voltage of the transistors. Reply
SirYes - Friday, July 25, 2008 - linkTo spread the word: http://ubuntu-virginia.ubuntuforums.org/showthread...
| To be honest I find it hard to believe that they have a campaign
| against Linux. There would be nothing to gain and would have
| a zero fiscal gain.
| I think it is a bug you have found
After looking through the disassembled BIOS for the last several hours, rebooting it, and tweaking it more, I'd say this is very intentional, I've found redundant checks to make sure it's really running on Windows, regardless what the OS tells it it is, and then of course fatal errors that will kernel panic FreeBSD or Linux, scattered all over the place, even in the table path for Windows 9x, NT, 2000, XP, and Vista, and had to correct them (Well, at least divert them off into a segment of RAM I hope to god I'm sure about)
No, this looks extremely calculated, it's like they knew someone would probably go tearing it apart eventually and so tried to scatter landmines out so as to where you'd probably hit one eventually.
So if it is a mistake, or incompetence, then it's the most meticulous, targeted, and dare I say, anal retentive incompetence I've seen. Reply
Will14 - Friday, July 25, 2008 - linkI've never had much faith in Windows OC tools.
However if this one actually works and AMD can up their speeds a little then I may switch back for my next system.
I must say my 6400-8400(cheated got an e3110 with 20% discount when first released and they were all $280 or OOS for $170). Upgrade path was seamless and I feel bad going from 1950Pro to 8800GT 512 but I follow my wallet not the company I root for.
A cheap system built off cheap Black Box edition(OC'd easily with their tool) and 4870x2 would be pretty sweet come this December if the new cores are kicking and the utils work(a lot of ifs). Not that I need a new system though, but if one did. I don't see nehalems being affordable anytime soon(unless new AMD core rocks(another if)), although my mobo would support. I like the $200 mark for processors $100 for HDD's $200 for gpu's plus generally only needing 1-4 new parts for a yearly $400ish upgrade which is cheaper and allows better performance than the $1-2k some people build. Reply
Zisyncmon - Friday, July 25, 2008 - linkDoes anyone know when they will release more info? Gary? Any estimates of when to expect another article? Or will we have to be in suspense all weekend. Reply
geok1ng - Thursday, July 24, 2008 - linkI am really hoping that AMD can make some competition on CPU market as they did on the IGP (man i am really looking forward to the next IGP offer from AMD, the 780G is the king, the next chip will be a market consolidating move for sure)and VGA markets but i am not joking when i ask:
Will a 3.1Ghz ultraoverclocked quad core Phenom beat a $80 E2180@3,1Ghz in gaming and common day tasks?
As i remember the C2Ds are 15%-25% faster clock per clock, and the AMD CPUs consume MORE power for the same tasks , because they take LONGER to do the same task of a C2D. Reply
jslusser - Thursday, July 24, 2008 - linkSo does this ACC on the SB750 do anything for vanilla Phenom's? Will it unlock the multiplier on the non-black Phenoms or just make them more stable with the HT and memory over clocks?
I'd like to see where the 9150e/9350e can get to with ACC and the power usage, since the voltage, etc doesn't change. So many questions... Reply
HazaroudsSmoker - Friday, July 25, 2008 - linkFirst, you can't unlock the multiplier on the non Black Edition Phenoms. They are locked at the factory during manufacturing and can not be altered.
Sounds like there will be an advantage still to having the SB750 with Vanilla Phenoms.
Can't wait for Benchmarks. Reply
steveyballmer - Thursday, July 24, 2008 - linkWhy does this board look so cheap and lego-like?
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Maroon - Thursday, July 24, 2008 - link"We can't help but wonder if it is because AMD is going a little too far in the sacrifices it's willing to make in the quest for higher clock speeds." Hello? This is the one thing that keeps the latest generation AMD procs from being competitive with Intel's. Are we sacrificing stability that you're not telling us?
And then the bitching about the integrated LAN...please? Sounds like you guys are just pissed that AMD won't tell you the new SB works.
ughtas - Thursday, July 24, 2008 - linkI remember from months ago, that the L2/L3 cache performance was changed to support larger cache sizes. Is it possible that the tweaks that ACC makes to the processor timing improve the cycle time or allow better lookahead? Reply
nubie - Thursday, July 24, 2008 - linkI for one am glad to see an AMD processor at 3.4ghz, if this is a new trend I am all for it.
I want to know what kind of clock-for-clock performance this has compared to an Intel, just for kicks.
I had a chat with a knowledgable IT guy, he claims that Intel systems boot faster to a usable desktop than AMD, and he has side by side bench tested them.
I didn't think to ask if he had done tests with comparable level 2 cache, an area that I think may be causing problems, AMD has no processors with 1M level 2 cache except a few older 90nm cores. They are just giving up in this area to Intel.
I applaud them for making neat server processors, but 512k level 2 cache is not cutting it these days.
I have been running on a Core2 "solo" Celeron 430 @2.4ghz for the last several months, and I must say while it is pretty damn fast there are times when it seems to "lock" or "micro-freeze" when it is doing a lot of multitasking. Reply
Xray1 - Thursday, July 24, 2008 - linkNa, the L2 cache is pretty unimportant for AMD processors, as the on chip memory controller is very fast. For example, the difference between 1M L2 and 512k L2 K8 processors at otherwise same speed is for most apps somewhere in the range of 0-5%.
Your single core Celeron locks in multitasking, because its single core.....single core is completely obsolete these days.
As to the boot speed: This heavily depends on the system config, bios etc. Plus: How often do you boot? I do that once a day and don't really care if it takes 30 sek more or less. Reply
Xray1 - Thursday, July 24, 2008 - linkOne reason for the proprietary 6pin connection between SB and CPU could be: It's simply a hardware dongle to ensure the best possible oc results can only be found on AMD chipset mainboards......It is very hard to believe AMD could not have made the same thing possible by MSR programming in the CPU.
If AMD does not get more specific on this, we need true hardware nerds to sniff on these 6 lines and try to reverse engineer what's happening on them. Reply
pmonti80 - Thursday, July 24, 2008 - linkNot so fast my friend.
Just look here:
Now we have a more plausible explanation that does not involve strange "black magic".
ACC is just another form of CPU skew.
No big deal for anyone, end of the story. Reply
ZootyGray - Friday, July 25, 2008 - linkYour linked source is not saying what you are saying. It's a guess. and conclusions are stated as being based on the assumption that the guesses and assumtions are true.
Your attitude overrides that - NOT END OF STORY. And the results reported here stand untouched by your opinion based on what someone else said is assumption and guess. (right or wrong).
Additionally the author of your referenced article is very gracious in excusing himself if his guesses and assumptions are incorrect. And yet he ungraciously comes down pretty heavy in ending his article. And that is what has triggered your own feigned knowledgeable statement.
Maybe it is true - and maybe not. But oclokrs must live in perpetual embarrassment if it is true - and you embarrass yourself in the face of hard testing and accurate reporting of results of that testing. If I wanted speculative guessing and assumption and self agrandisement based on possibly erroneous opinion, I would go read bullshit at toms bubblegum guide. You might enjoy that more since you are apparently so inclined.
You put 60 hours work behind your statement and you might understand a cheap slap.
pmonti80 - Friday, July 25, 2008 - linkYou are right on my attitude about last post. Sorry about that.
But still I think the analysis of what could be happening here (based on both articles) is probably more in the line of CPU skew or some similar thing. It seems way easier to do with just 6 pins (4 or 5 really usable for ACC). Reply
ZootyGray - Friday, July 25, 2008 - linkI agree with you. And it seems plausible (at least) that skew is quite probably it. The report however is about facts and not /guess /assumption /opinion - and therein is it's value.
I fully expect that some will hack into this secret - much like was done before with AMD cpu's when they used the graphite pencil trix - it was all great.
Perhaps I owe an apology to you. I am a little overzealous since I have been seeking a factual, scientific review/testing site for some time. I like what's happening here. I hope I did not come down too heavily on you and the useful info that you presented. (altho the 'embarrass' part in that info,is merely abuse and useless shaming - essentially the stuff of flamewar, ego and fear (which reflects on the author).
Your point is taken and thank you for your (this) reply. Reply
Xray1 - Friday, July 25, 2008 - linkThe possibility that it is all about cpu skew/timings does not contradict what I have said. Why do you need a 6 pin connection from a southbridge to the CPU to change these settings? You can do that with simple register programming (MSRs). That's just like what has been done in the past (especially in timing settings of the AthlonXP FSB).
So for me the big secret 6pin connection still looks like a big hardware dongle to allow for AMDs overclocking tool to only work on AMD chipset mainboards. They wanted to make it 100% non-software accessible, so there would be no way of doing it on non-AMD chipset boards. That's all I said. And yes, it's also speculation. But as long as they keep it cloed source, it's a non-accessible feature for other chipset makers. Reply
ZootyGray - Friday, July 25, 2008 - link@ xray
Agree. However we don't know. Are they going to keep it secret? Is it about competition? or proprietary? Is there more to it? Is there a hidden ?thing? in Phenom? Is there "black magic"? Has it all been a deliberate lag behind so that they can come roaring back to life and look like the greatest thing since the resurrection? Look what they did to nvidiot with the 48x0 release. And the new CEO wants to offer more performance. Lots going on here = wow! This has my attention, and I want facts.
My point is that Anandtech is already barking up this same tree - they don't know - they have inquired - and they are reporting known facts - and that is the real food that we have come to eat. More will be revealed. Maybe the answer is the "don't dare mention"; but I doubt that. Maybe a lot of things. It's all exciting to me as AMD makes some noise.
I watch and wait. Reply
eetnoyer - Thursday, July 24, 2008 - link"error of margin"?
I think you meant confirmation, not conformation. Reply
The Preacher - Thursday, July 24, 2008 - linkThe clock speed reported by CPU need not tell the whole story. The new system might actually drop a clock cycle here and there and might not increase the CPU performance at all, despite the higher reported frequency. Reply
CyberHawk - Thursday, July 24, 2008 - linkWhat is the product that we dare not mention its name? Mentioned twice in the article.
If there is word about Overdrive Utility I guess that it is a new CPU on horizon.
What do you think? Reply
nubie - Thursday, July 24, 2008 - linkI don't think it is a new CPU, in "Final words" they seem to hint it is a new IGP with a lot more performance on tap.
If they can storm the market with a 4850 for $200, I am sure that they can integrate something to run today's games at minimum settings on the motherboard and keep it under that price. Reply
luk1999 - Thursday, July 24, 2008 - linkCould you test overclocking on this motherboard with some standard (non-Black Edition) Phenom? Reply
dvijaydev46 - Thursday, July 24, 2008 - linkI wish you did at least a few benchmarks and published. I was very curious to see how a phenom performs at 3.5 GHz. Reply
MikeODanyurs - Thursday, July 24, 2008 - linkMy SB (supposedly SB700) has the same production week and only 2 digits and one letter difference on my Gigabyte GA-MA78GPM-DS2H motherboard. Anyone know if it's the letter or the 2 digit numbers that identify the SB750?
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imaheadcase - Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - linkHardly can read pictures.. :P Reply
steveyballmer - Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - linkLooks like a board from Matel!
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OrphanShadow - Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - linkI know the pin link with Phenom chips is what gives them the extra headroom with ACC, but will this also apply to the AM2+ Budapest based Opteron Quads too? Reply
helldrell666 - Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - linkI dont why, but when it comes to AMDs products, i get the worst scores from anandtech reviews.
Maybe,Charlie demirjian was right after all, anandtech hate AMD.
I got the worst 4870 results from anandtech.
At tomshardware and techreport, the 4870 did much better.
In your previous review,the 9850BE reached 3.3GHz on 1.38v.
Do you hate AMD anandtech?
cdbular - Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - link"Do you hate AMD anandtech?"
No they don't, but Intel maintains this WEB, Just look at the ads in the page... Reply
ZootyGray - Thursday, July 24, 2008 - linkAds? What ads?
Dude - you would enjoy FIREFOX w 'Ad Blocker' - there are no ads :)
helldrell666 - Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - linkIm tired of shintel and nshitia. All this propaganda to destroy the image of AMd/ATI.
But,the time will coe when DAAMIT will rape them all.Its just a matter of time.
jdizzle1337 - Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - linkToo bad AMD hasn't worked itself back to having the credibility to create "rumors".
Phenom round 1 was 100% hype and obsolete upon release. Sorry AMD you are on believe it when i see it status. Reply
wingless - Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - linkDid you not read the review? The SB750 works as advertised in a big way. Reply
Guuts - Thursday, July 24, 2008 - linkAMD actually advertised something?? :-p Reply
Harbmike99 - Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - linkYea I know the CPU has a bug. I have never seen it I have the patch turn off. But will this new SB help it too. I have not overclocked it (too much just once to see if I could get 2.5, and I did) because I am stil useing a older AM2 board, and I am planing to buy a new board and give the old board and X2 cpu to a freind.
So will it help?
I would love to get to 3 ghz. I have seen some say on fourms they got that. What so you guys think? Reply
jay2o01 - Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - linkAnyone else intersted how a Phenom 9850 performs at 3.0 ghz with a 2.4ghz+ NB? What kind of improvements would this yield over the stock speeds? Reply
Zisyncmon - Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - linkYeah I'd agree, it will take some benchmarking to really see what improvement this OC'ing does to performance, but I am sure they are busy finding good settings to test at. Reply
wingless - Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - link"In the end, we know after a good 60 hours of testing, over 600 different settings, 400+ screen shots, and countless reboots that Advanced Clock Calibration works, yet we do not know anymore about ACC at this point from AMD than SpongeBob SquarePants."
AMD does nothing but right their wrongs these days. The SB750 is gonna be big for them. I'm amazed that Anandtech went through so many combinations trying to bring this thing down. They have proven without a doubt that this technology works.
I also can't wait until next week. They have given us confirmation that 790GX and 790FX boards with SB750 will be coming out NEXT WEEK! Also they keep mentioning some part that they "dare not mention". WTF is that going to be? I thought 790GX+SB750 was going to be the big news. Theres something else? Next week will be exciting for AMD in all the GOOD ways. Reply
ZootyGray - Thursday, July 24, 2008 - linkYup - I come here to hear about the results of what I call "brutal testing" rather than read somebody's hype or bias or sloppy inconclusive testing. I am still fairly new here but I believe Anandtech is the real thing.
I want that to be true, esp. after wasting my time at tom's bubblegum guide with there trash bias garbage misleading bullschtein socalled reviews.
These guys are working hard to get the real goods - and in contact with AMD, delaying reports promised 'tomorrow' - who cares - they are willing to go to amazing lengths to output accurate info after deeper investigation.
This is no kiddy's website - it's a hard read to get through it; and I know I am not the only one who will reread it to better comprehend what I missed the first time through. This testing is consistent with the articles on 'the 3 amigos' and the one about the recent additions to the AMD line, including the 9950. Take it apart, what makes it squeal.
Also, it seems there is something different about the 9950, and it's not just an oclok 9850.
Looking forward to more next week - and the ?? mystery ?? item????
Big change on the AMD scene - wow. Reply
Calin - Thursday, July 24, 2008 - linkI've quit reading Tom's Hardware long time ago - when I think it was a good site. However, Anandtech was better overall, and one site was enough :)
As for in depth reviews... this should qualify as an easy reading, look for the technology behind NVidia's 280 and 260 series GPU for a "transistor-oriented" article - that's a hard read indeed Reply
Comdrpopnfresh - Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - linkI am really interested to see how an ASUS or DFI board with the new sb do in overclocking and performance. As mentioned this board is more of a feature-rich pick. And just looking at the charts of ACC off on the foxconn vs the ASUS with sb600, I hope there will be more of an improvement with a fresh sb750 variant.
Interesting though about the pci-e 1.1 and lan choices by amd. Is it possible having those two remedied would hinder the improvement by ACC?
Really looking forward to new comparisons to Intel chips with the new change. Hopefully with 45nm parts and ACC, amd can have a good go.
One thing I would like to know though: What are the specs on the sb750 foxconn vs the asus sb600 in terms of the number of phases in power delivery? Reply
Goty - Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - linkI think that there must be some underlying issue with either the chipset drivers or windows itself when it comes to differing final overclocks, as the CPU shouldn't necessarily be aware of what kind of software its running, other than the fact that a few more registers are being used. IS there any evidence that this is a Phenom-specific issue, or might it affect Athlon64's as well? Reply
Locutus465 - Thursday, July 24, 2008 - linkQuite honestly, either way I would run 64bit over 32bit any day of the week period... I'm sorry but the little bit of extra performance you get OCing really doesn't out weigh the many many advantages 64b vista has over the 32b variant (and over XP). Simply put, 32bit operating systems are all but done in my home... I do run 32bit vista on my laptop but only for the following reasons:
HP put 32bit on here, and it seems to me all their custom drivers and software (which seem to be required to keep the system from crashing) are all 32bit... so oh well.
This is a budget laptop to begin with and it maxes out at 2GB RAM... The extra overhead of 64b would just be more of a performance killer than anything else.
No gaming will be done on this laptop (so no need to worry about future games needing more that 2GB for a process) and I have my desktop at home if I need to manipulate large flat files.
Now my desktop? Yeah...
Phenom 9850BE
4GB OCz DDR2
Radeon 3870...
It's getting the 64bit treatment all the way :) Reply
CyberHawk - Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - link... boy, I was waiting for this one :D Reply
FireTech - Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - linkSo was I ;)
It leaves me with more questions than answers though. Time to re-read and await further developements/articles.


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