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Preparing for the iPhone Next: Rumors Analyzedby Brian Klug & Anand Lal Shimpi on 8/27/2012 9:40 PM EST
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solipsism - Monday, August 27, 2012 - link"Thus it seems highly likely that Apple will also move to this chemistry given maturity and the tangible benefits it provides to battery lifetime."
What do you mean by maturity and tangible benefits? Why couldn't any of these vendors used 3.8V before? Reply
mfenn - Monday, August 27, 2012 - linkYou don't just call up the battery fairy and ask her to set your battery to a certain voltage. Instead, a battery's terminal voltage is largely determined by the different compounds that you use as the anode and cathode, hence chemistry. Reply
aguilpa1 - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkWell I called up the battery fair..., she put me on hold. Reply
ImSpartacus - Wednesday, September 05, 2012 - linkIs the Battery Fairy a meme yet?
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6230/the-anandtech-p... Reply
Brian Klug - Monday, August 27, 2012 - linkWell Motorola used the 3.8 V nominal chemistry for over a year successfully. I guess what I mean is that for Apple to ship that (and now we see Samsung doing the same with SGS3, Nokia with PureView 808, etc) the cell chemistry and manufacturing needs to be mature enough that they're guaranteed volume sufficient for it to not be the limiting component in the supply chain.
-Brian Reply
Penti - Wednesday, August 29, 2012 - linkIf the Koreans and Japanese can build the cells then the Taiwanese firms / suppliers building Apples batteries can also utilize 3.8 V chemistry obviously. Hardly a technology that Apple would push much but it seems the 3.8V nominal tech is mature. As you say. Tooling and process would appear to work out if it's already out in tens of millions of devices. Really depends on requirements from Apple, it's not like they have set their mind on a particular cell supplier or battery assembly company. If they can source it successfully from the battery suppliers I doubt they care much about the details further back the supply chain so long that they or those companies can keep up and deliver. It's technology only a few companies in the world have mastered, we in the west can at best hope to assemble the components here pretty much.
Samsung SDI Cells according to the shots here, I would think they have that technology and manufacturing process well developed. Normally Dynapack and Simplo who assembles the batteries for them. We'll have to wait and see, at least they are hardly expected to move to high-capacity batteries. Don't know if BYD, LG Chem, Panasonic, Sony and the rest etc is ready to ship this chemistry though. Samsung SDI and LG Chem should have most of the market and have moved quite far along there. Using the best Samsung cells when it becomes a commodity makes sense I guess. Reply
Azethoth - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkYou really do want to not blaze new trails with the battery since a wrong move can leave you with an incendiary product which is not that good for sales. Maturity means its been proven out on other devices that are not in your pants all day long. Reply
Jingato - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkAnd people say Apple is Innovative. Reply
Nfarce - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkWell they are certainly innovative at destroying competition. Reply
swb311 - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkDestroying THE competition? Reply
Samus - Wednesday, August 29, 2012 - linkThis phone is going to be substantially inferior to the Galaxy S III and the HTX One, and not to pour salt on the soon to be open wound, but Apple is going to depend on this outdated device to be their flagship for the next 10-12 months. Samsung will have at least one, if not TWO, next generation Galaxy devices released by then.
No wonder they're suing them out of business. Apple is clearly scared of fair competition, because they can't win. Reply
michael2k - Wednesday, August 29, 2012 - linkWhen has copying been called fair competition?
Anandtech's preview clearly says that the S3's performance increase is due to the bump in clock and improved software stack, both of which also apply to the iPhone Next. Reply
doobydoo - Wednesday, August 29, 2012 - linkHow can you say this phone is going to be substantially inferior to the SG3 when the 10 month old iPhone 4S has a superior GPU to the American SG3, released recently?
It also has better battery life, along with the rest of benefits it gets via iOS and Apple's app store. Reply
utsava - Wednesday, August 29, 2012 - linkAs if hardware specs are the only thing that makes a smartphone great. Go try the quad-core 2GB RAM Galaxy Note 10.1 and let me know how fast it is to use. Reply
solinear - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkLike how they destroyed Microsoft, right?
I give them 5 years before they fall apart. It's like Steve knew they were screwed, so he built up a new business plan called "Sue everyone over and over and over and over and over until the name Apple is equated with the RIAA" Reply
FalcomPSX - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkThe difference between Apple and the RIAA though is that RIAA sues teenagers and grandmothers. Apple sues large corporations, not their own customer base. I dont like Apple's tactics either, but they are no where near as bad as the RIAA. Reply
A5 - Monday, August 27, 2012 - linkThis is all pretty much in line with what I was thinking.
The Amazon and Samsung events the week before will also be interesting, then I guess there's the iPad Mini rumors for October - after that I guess we'll be waiting for the crazy CES stuff! Reply
faizoff - Monday, August 27, 2012 - linkDefinitely the best speculation article I've read so far. Reply
Dug - Monday, August 27, 2012 - linkAgree. Finally an educated look at what can happen. Reply
Dekker - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkAgree. Reply
MatthiasP - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkI'm missing some wild speculation about the camera. Reply
Alchemy69 - Monday, August 27, 2012 - linkSo, basically it will be a tweaked 4S with a case sufficiently different that everyone knows you have the new one. I find that all too believable. Reply
A5 - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkBigger screen + LTE + higher clocks are a fairly significant set of changes. Reply
GotThumbs - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkExactly!
Apple will again be able to sell yet another generation iphone to its current iphone owners....so they can be the "first on the block". Seems kids just never grow up. It's still about having ice-cream and you don't. I'd like to know what the real difference is...other than fixing the flawed antenna and LTE. Oh! a means to get every Apple owner to buy new accessories to fit the new port connection.
While I'll Never own an Apple product, I find Apple has been very savvy in getting the general consumer market to walk freely into Apples walled garden of control and zero options. When will the DOJ file against Apple for its Itunes requirement and its anti-competitive ways? The sheep number in the millions and I just keep watching from outside the walled garden.
Interesting enough story. Since this is all based on conjecture.
I find it interesting that Apples playbook seems to repeat itself, but hey their making billions on each incremental generation of one phone. Whats the saying...."A fool and his money.....?
Best wishes, Reply
jrswizzle - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkAside from your wild generalizations about Apple users, I find the hatred for iTunes amusing. You are by no means the only person to express a deep loathing for the program but what I can't seem to figure out is why?
With the advent of iCloud, the only time I use iTunes is as a media player through my computer or to sync up my old iPod classic. What is so awful about Mac's default media player that it would warrant a DOJ filing? There are other media players out there for music on your iPhone: pandora, spotify just to name a few and I'd argue they'd probably save the avid music fan some dough.
My only complaint with the program is its support for legacy devices which makes it a monster in terms of computer resources, but this is being rectified with the new update this fall (as they vastly reduce the iPod line imo).
We get that you hate Apple and love your "open source" OSes. But those of us who prefer simplicity, ease of use and stability will continue to use Apple products. We don't need your pity or your baseless, and offensive, generalizations about our CHOICES. Reply
jrswizzle - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkAs for the article, it makes perfect sense. Apple has never been one to add features for the sake of adding features. If it improves the overall user experience you can bet they'll include it. It's not about doing things that are new and different, its about doing things better. And of the features iOS devices have, I can only think of 1 Android does better (Google Now vs. Siri). Reply
Assimilator87 - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkI hope Apple surprises us and throws in a 32nm A5X. I'll be jumping ship to iOS when my Palm Pre 2 dies. I've used Android on my tablet and the much smaller game selection, on top of the fragmentation due to all the SoCs, makes it excruciating. Reply
name99 - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkIt's bizarre that the people who go on about "sheep" behavior seem the most clueless about human psychology.
As I have said before, the issue is not coolness, it is delight.
- coolness is other directed. It was what other companies ship. It is about how OTHER people view you and your device. It is about having a few gimmicks you can show others so that they ooh and ahh.
- what Apple ships is not coolness, it is DELIGHT. Delight is SELF-DIRECTED. It is about devices that bring you joy day after day, and who cares whether they demo well, or can be shown to others.
Samsung, right now, is a company that cares a lot about coolness, and nothing about delight. That's why, to take a recent example, they ship a Note 10.1 with two flashy features you can show your friends --- pen, and the equivalent of MacOS 1.0's desk accessories, allowing you to open multiple apps at once --- but both these features actually perform horrendously. They do the cool job fine --- show them to your friends for a few minutes and they will be impressed --- but they do the delight job abysmally.
And one of the ways that you engender delight is what Apple is doing here, constant refinement . When you buy your next phone, it feels familiar --- just better in every way. Reply
Tegeril - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkThis, exactly. Reply
JoshAlfie - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkThis is actually a very interesting analysis. Nice one. Reply
KoolAidMan1 - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkUnless you're a Linux using neckbeard (and I'd bet money that you aren't), then your entire post is trash.
And if you are a Linux using neckbeard, sucks to be you Reply
Focher - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkFunny that each generation of iPhone is just an upgrade to all the previous generation iPhone owners. Of course, we wouldn't want math to get in the way of that assertion so let's just assume every iPhone owner will buy at least two of the next version. Some even more!
Also interesting is your claim that the article is based on conjecture after two whole paragraphs of exactly that which you disdain. By the way, I would suggest you look up that word in a dictionary. Because an article that analyzes leaked pictures of the hardware and then makes predictions based on those items doesn't at all fit the definition of that word. Reply
inplainview - Wednesday, August 29, 2012 - linkObviously someone has given you the impression that your purchasing decisions matter to the masses. No one really cares what you will and will not buy. Reply
Super56K - Friday, August 31, 2012 - linkI love these posts. It gives the vibe of someone standing on a street corner holding a 'THE WORLD IS ENDING' sign; giving the same spiel, over and over, to anyone who makes eye contact. Reply
solipsism - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkIf by tweak, you mean completely redesigned, then yeah. Reply
ramnam - Monday, August 27, 2012 - linkWould using a backplate made of the liquidmetal stuff mitigate concerns about it acting as a ground for the NFC field ? I understand Apple licensed the technology a while back Reply
jrswizzle - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkThis is an on-again, off-again rumor I hope comes to pass. Though the head of the company who produces the liquid metal said it would be years before they'd be able to produce the stuff on the mass scale needed for a device like the iPhone to be made of it. Reply
swb311 - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkSeveral years away unfortunately Reply
jwcalla - Monday, August 27, 2012 - linkIf true it's a rather conservative update at a time when the competition is getting pretty fierce. You can't be too risk-averse in this business. Reply
jjj - Monday, August 27, 2012 - linkthere is a bigger screen there so battery life might not be any better.
as for the SoC,they mgiht go for dual A9 (they certainly won't go quad) but that's so far behind the top phones that they really should do more.
The iPhone is the new dumbphone but still quad Krait vs dual A9, is just lol. Reply
alxx - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkbut do ordinary consumers really care about whats under the hood(unlike us) ?
A phone that works and with good battery life.
And whats on special at the carriers with a decent plan wins over the phone choice most of the time. Reply
swb311 - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkFalse, iOS is a thrifty OS that uses resources far better and efficiently than an off-the-shelf component thanks to Apple's custom designed silicon. So it may not look the same on paper, but the processor will feel just as fast. No one needs a quad core phone yet (apps are not prepared) so why take the battery hit? I'd rather have an upclocked dual core honestly. Reply
KoolAidMan1 - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - link"The iPhone is the new dumbphone"
Considering that the iOS app selection is the best and largest of any mobile ecosystem, I'd say no, pretty much the opposite Reply
KoolAidMan1 - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - link"they mgiht go for dual A9 (they certainly won't go quad) but that's so far behind the top phones"
Even most PC applications don't use quad-cores, forget smartphones. No smartphone multitasks applications enough where quads would really matter. We're a few years away from where quad core SoCs are needed in cellphones. Until then it is marketing for neckbeards who look at spec pages without regard to practical usage scenarios or performance. Reply
iampivot - Monday, August 27, 2012 - linkWhat about a fingerprint scanner?
It seems obvious that one could be included in the home button, which would facilitate instantaneous verification of the user when doing NFC purchases. Reply
8steve8 - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkno a15? Reply
A5 - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkWon't be ready and it wouldn't fit Apple's supply chain model to take a risk like that on the CPU. The article lays out the reasoning pretty clearly. Reply
iwod - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkNot a faster SoC really annoys me, Krait from Qualcomm and Tegra etc... Quad Core ARM A9,
a simple die shrinks? Or may be they bump the Frequency to 1.5Ghz or higher? Reply
Dekker - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkEven in the PC world the benefit of quad core is limited for many types of usage (email, web and office hardly benefit at all). I'm not convinced that absent a proper multitasking model in Android/iOS there is much benefit to going quad core (particularly if it reduces battery life). At this stage a slightly faster clock or more memory seems to be a more viable approach. Reply
iwod - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkOn PC we have Dual Thread from Single Core which accounts for 4 Threads with Dual Core. Mobile Dual Core we are still stuck at 2 threads. For the usage on mobile 4 threads will properly bring less benefits then on Desktop, but still large enough to warrant it. Having more then 2 threads for running the OS and Apps would help. Although we may wait big.LITTLE for that. Dual Core Cortex A7 + Dual Core Cortex A15.
The Samsung GS3 has 4 Core 1.4Ghz SoC, I will have to see how Apple will pull its marketing and convince me to buy a Phone that is MUCH less powerful, and possibly even more expensive. Reply
doobydoo - Wednesday, August 29, 2012 - linkThe SG3 has a 1.5 GHz MSM8960 Dual Core Krait, not a quad core - in the USA. Reply
8steve8 - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkKrait is much faster per core, quad core isn't the only or best way to improve performance. Reply
swb311 - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkI'd guess about 1.2 Ghz. which will be more than enough Reply
tipoo - Monday, September 10, 2012 - linkMy best hope would be that they put those chip designer purchases to good use and pulled a Krait, no need for apps to use four cores, just two faster cores. Reply
Aikouka - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkI see people talk about the litigation with Samsung affecting Apple's relations with Samsung, but I don't really suspect that is the case. The reason is that Samsung is a rather large company, and if you've worked for a large company before, you know how separate the different business areas truly can be. Do you think Samsung Foundries (the business area that handles chip manufacturing) really wants to hurt their numbers just because Samsung Mobility (the business area that handles mobile devices) is in a spat with one of their customers? I *highly* doubt it. Samsung Foundries more than likely passes up its financials just like Samsung Mobility to the overall corporation, and I highly doubt that they want to report such a large delta as losing Apple would be. Apple just wants what's best for Apple, which might be switching to TSMC as you mentioned.
In other words, I don't see Samsung (Foundries) dumping Apple, but rather Apple dumping Samsung (Foundries). Reply
akibakun - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkDear Editor,
There are some politically charged watermarks Japanese in the phones posted on the NFC page. MacRumors has censored the watermarks.
You may want to do the same. Reply
etamin - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkSo Xiaomi is going to have a Krait device in the market before a Cortex A15 device comes to market? Reply
alxx - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkWould be nice to see a rouge gpu core but probably unlikely maybe in ipad mini
Will be interesting to see if the updated itunes drops this year for one of the product launches or have to wait until early next year.
No sure that a lot of people are going like Apple's maps app.
It loads slower than google maps(iphone 4) and the level of detail is different for icons/places/shops(some worse some much better)
Seems to do directions better than google maps Reply
swb311 - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkIt's in beta. It will actually load faster thanks to vectored graphics. Reply
alxx - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkNo kidding. How else do you think I'm using it.
At the moment its not loading faster and is getting stalls worse than google maps Reply
alxx - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkor buy it to replace iphone 4 with starting to fade batteries Reply
plext0r - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkThat's my dilemma. IPhone "Next" or SGS3. :) I currently have the iPhone 4. Reply
ltcommanderdata - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkHopefully Apple adopts a wide gamut IPS screen for the next gen iPhone as they've done for the 2012 iPad.
It's too bad Apple's Q3 iPhone release schedule leaves them at an awkward time at the tail end of this silicon generation. Sticking to a 32nm A5, a 50% clock speed bump over the iPhone 4S to 1.2GHz seems reasonable and would be well positioned at launch. However, competition will come very quickly with Cortex A15 based CPUs and OpenGL ES 3.0 capable GPUs in Q4 and Q1 2013. Reply
alxx - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkIn A15 chips are up to speed and ready in time.
Has any A15 based chip been public-ally demoed over 1GHz yet ? Reply
leomax999 - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkExynos 5250 in disguise at SIGGRAPH. Reply
krumme - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkIphone buyers dont buy specs
Except when Apple tells them to do
Therefore Apple can be as conservative and innovative as is needed in the market situation. No other company have that luxury. Reply
Tegeril - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkSigh. Reply
doobydoo - Thursday, September 06, 2012 - linkThe only reason iPhone buyers don't buy specs is that specs have never been an issue for iPhone users.
That is to say, the software and apps have always run flawlessly on iOS.
The same can't be said for Android.
As for why this is the case? Look no further than the tight integration between hardware and software combined with, for example, the fact that the iPhone 4S has the fastest GPU in any smartphone in America. Reply
rupaniii - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkI'm guessing Power teaked version of the A15 core in Dual configuration, along with the top of the line PowerVR in Dual GPU configuration. It's got to be a world beater. Definitely worldwide LTE locked at carrier level.
If not, Snapdragon S4Pro will own it. Reply
A5 - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkNone of those designs (A15 or PowerVR 6-series) are ready yet. Apple has never been one to fight the spec war, and I don't see any of that changing now. Reply
macs - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkThere goes my hope for Cortex A15... Sad Reply
tipoo - Monday, September 10, 2012 - linkWell A15 just wasn't ready yet, but I hope they do something in between like Krait. Reply
Frallan - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - link
I understand that the focus of the writers shift and the pieces that are produced regardless of area are of the highest quality. I also understand that the site has to go where the consumers money goes.
But [RANT] I find it sad that Anandtech has become an iSite. looking back there are more and more iArticles and less and less of everything else. if this trend continues another year you will have to rebrand the site iAnandtech - allthough you probably get sued to hell and back if you did. [/RANT]
Pleas bring back the computer related articles. More GPU/CPU/SSD/HDD/SERVER and less iDevices.
/F Reply
hlovatt - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkI just looked on AnandTech front page; there is exactly one Apple article, this one! That count includes the pipeline articles. For such a major player this does not seem excessive.
Add to that, that Apple is a major innovator, produces original designs, introduces new technology, and retires older technology much more aggressively than other manufacturers.
Why wouldn't a tech site that looks to the future cover Apple? Would you really rather them cover Dell? We would all die of boredom! Reply
jwcalla - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - link"Add to that, that Apple is a major innovator, produces original designs, introduces new technology, and retires older technology much more aggressively than other manufacturers."
Were you able to write that with a straight face? If this article is anywhere near accurate, it barely brings the iPhone up to spec with year-old Android phones.
The guy has a good point: Apple rides on so much media hype that they could literally smear a turd on the touchscreen and the reviews would be glowing. Which smartphone out there has garnered a five-page article here just to cover the rumored specs?
Yeah, I get it -- "it's the iPhone". But being "the iPhone" shouldn't automatically grant it unwarranted hype, especially for a site where technical merits should be one of the highest considerations. Look at the thing objectively: spec'd out it's a rather mediocre smartphone. Would Apple's products truly be relevant without all the hype? Reply
observerr - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkI don't think you know what literally means. Reply
swb311 - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkDon't get caught up by marketing. A 1GHz dual-core A5 can be every bit as fast as a newer quad core processor. A lot more goes into processor speed than pure specs. Apple custom makes their operating system AND chips so that they work together MUCH better than an off-the-shelf component like the Exynos or Krait. Just like their laptops, Apple software does more with less. So just because it doesn't look like it matches an Android phone on paper doesn't mean that it won't feel (be) faster in your hand. The fact of the matter is, as has been stated in these comments and on this blog, quad core processors are relatively useless unless software is threaded properly. Trust me, if Apple needed a quad-core processor it would put one in its phone. Android phones must distinguish themselves from EACH OTHER, hence the spec war which means almost nothing these days. Reply
alxx - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkA5 (not A15) is designed to run at slower clocks and much lower power than A9 Reply
KoolAidMan1 - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - link"it barely brings the iPhone up to spec with year-old Android phones"
A new Galaxy S3 is just now competitive with an iPhone 4S, and there are still new Tegra 3 Android tablets that are outperformed by a 2011 iPad 2.
How were YOU able to write that with a straight face? Reply
doobydoo - Wednesday, August 29, 2012 - linkUm, actually, in America, no Android manufacturers have caught up with the iPhone 4S - which still has the fastest GPU in any American smartphone. 10 months on.
You're evidently simplistic method of comparing performance makes me cringe. Reply
Super56K - Friday, August 31, 2012 - linkjwcalla, you're (selectively?) forgetting the obvious: Apple is a major player that sells a ton of gadgets, but maintains a small product portfolio. Whether you want to see them fail or succeed, it brings in everyone. Want to kill the hype machine? Do your part and not click these articles or talk about it with others. Can't do that? Well, that's hype for you. Reply
Super56K - Friday, August 31, 2012 - linkYou are a sad individual. 1(!) current Apple article is too many for you? Really? Reply
Torrijos - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkWhile they're always nice to get a good result in some benchmarks I doubt their usefulness right now, even with Apple pushing an easy to implement concurrency/distribution model with Grand Central Dispatch most apps aren't going to benefit directly from quad cores CPU without further optimization.
The type of apps that push the phones to their limits right now are games, and in that area Apple keeps providing very good GPU (still unbeaten in the tablet market).
It would be pretty interesting to know the kind of influence network performance has on real life usage...
While some web-centric benchmarks show quad cores outperforming old CPU badly, would those benefits disappear when browsing in a slow area connection? At what effective bandwidth is the new CPU unable to provide better global performance?
This could be tested by limiting your server upload bandwidth on the wifi, to simulated a non-optimal connection area. Reply
versesuvius - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkNo matter which theft of ideas, apple manages to turn into glossy status symbols, no one should buy any iSh.. anymore. iSh.. has turned into a symbol of stupidity and greed all over the world.
Just as brandishing an Apple product would say something, now owning a non iSh... makes the same statement quite forcefully.
Sh.. yourself none. Don't buy iSh..! Reply
A5 - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkOh man, you're so clever! You really convinced everyone with that amazing argument! Thanks! Reply
versesuvius - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkThank you, very much! I know I am happy with no iSh.. polluting my environment. Your environment is up to you, which is painfully obvious anyway. Reply
swb311 - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkWho let you onto the internet? Reply
versesuvius - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkI assure you that I was here before you were born. I read Anand's first article(s) on a 5.6 kbps dial up modem. I know what I am talking about. Shed the iSh.. . It is that time of the day! Reply
KoolAidMan1 - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkI see, so you're old AND stupid. Fantastic :) Reply
versesuvius - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkYeah, just like your parents.
Youth is a gift that you obviously do not deserve. It is good to see that it is wasted on iSh..! Reply
Super56K - Friday, August 31, 2012 - linkIt's troubling that you pull the seniority card while sounding like a teenager with all the iSlander and hyperbole. I understand having dislike for company or brand X, but this is honestly the best way you have to voice that? Reply
Focher - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkIf you had any dedication to your principles, you would be wandering the streets and castigating people whom you see with Apple products. if you choose to do this, I suggest focusing on any nearby bus or subway so you don't stand out. Reply
versesuvius - Wednesday, August 29, 2012 - linkNot getting hit by an iSh.. will do just fine.
Actually a good advice for iSh.. consumers, though. Reply
cjs150 - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkBeautiful design, great OS has everything a smart phone should have, and best battery life but...
Why is it still rubbish at the basis function all phones should do - make and receive phone calls.
In my office we run a mixture of phones some old style bricks, iPhones and Samsungs Galaxy IIs.
The iPhone is by some distance the most flaky at phone calls, too many drop outs, voices fading out for no apparent reason. Even some friends who work very closely with Apple agree, if viewed purely as a phone with no "smarts", it is significantly weaker than 5 year old bricks from Nokia Reply
iwod - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkSure that is not some thing to do with carrier rather then phone? Reply
cjs150 - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkAt work we are all on the same carrier.
The iPhone is simply not good enough at phone calls. It is fine with a strong signal and you do not move around, but if walking and signal fades then iPhone will drop the call faster than any other phone we use, or just go silent Reply
ajp_anton - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkWith a larger device allowing a physically larger battery, why does its capacity increase by such a meaningless amount? Reply
A5 - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkI think it is thinner, so the overall volume isn't that different despite being larger in L and W. Reply
yankeeDDL - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkI am not really sure what I expected, but is anyone else disappointed as I am?
I am not an aApple user, and I will likely not become one after the iPhone5 is released, but I am interested in the trends, especially on the phones that are expected to set the standards.
The larger screen is a welcomed addition: for me 4" is the minimum in a smartphone, so I am glad that the iPhone caught up.
But no NFC? I am looking forward to NFC taking place and stop bringing my wallet around .. this won't hapen until all the mainstream phones will support it, so that's disappointing.
The phone also doesn't seem to have anything revolutionary ... which is probably the intention. Still, I was hoping to see the screen size take up nearly all the area of the phone, while it doesn't.
And what's with yet another proprietary connector? Why not USB + headphones, like every other normal phone?
I thought that the EU passed a regulation that every phone should have a standard charger. I guess I was wrong.
And what about making it easier to have an extra battery at the expense of slickness? My first mobile phone, 20 years ago, had 2 types of back cover: a thin/ligt and a thick/long-lasting. Can't compare really, but that phone lasted 2 weeks on a full charge with medium use (only a "phone" of course).
Mah! Reply
MatthiasP - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkFor you 4" are the minimum, for me it's pretty much the maximum for a device i have to carry around. I'm glad there is atleast one highend phone that isn't so ridiculously big. Reply
gilesrulz - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkYou're admittedly not an Apple user or a future Apple user, so why would Apple build a phone for you?
While there may be a small population that share your desire for NFC and mobile payments generally, for most it is a solution looking for a problem (at least in the US - I have read interesting use cases for the developing world).
As for the proprietary port, there was an exception put into the law that allows for adapters to USB, which is what Apple has bee providing since the law went into effect. Reply
alxx - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkNFC I'd prefer not to have until the security bugs are worked out it.
Personally I prefer a phone that fits in my pocket (shirt and pants) and doesn't need a bag or belt clip to carry it Reply
mantikos - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkStop the hobby product BS, its a failed product...there is nothing known as a hobby product...if Surface flops tomorrow, would you be kind enough to call it just a 'prime the pump' product because MSFT called it that?! Reply
gilesrulz - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkThe have sold more than 4.2 million of them (2nd Gen). It is not a "failed product" or a "flop". Reply
jamyryals - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkExactly right, it's only a hobby product for Apple because in comparison to their other revenue streams it's tiny. For almost any other companies selling 4 million of anything would be a huge success. I bet Google wishes they'd sold even 1 million Qs. Reply
KoolAidMan1 - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkHow is it failed? It sells more than the XBox 360, that's pretty successful for a consumer gadget.
It may be a hobby compared to an iPhone or iPad, but anything else is small in comparison. The iPhone alone makes more revenue and profit than Windows and Office combined. Reply
Doormat - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkAny word on whether its feasible for IGZO screens or not? 50-90% lower power consumption. Reply
swb311 - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkIGZO is not for mobile right now. It's using In-Cell which might be confusing. IGZO is a replacement or different type of LCD which may end up in an eventual iTV or newer iMacs but definitely not in phones any time soon. Reply
HisDivineOrder - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkPlease, please let them update the iPod Touch. It's beyond long in the tooth. Hell, I won't mind if they discontinue the iPod Touch line in favor of an iPad Mini line that is essentially the same thing at the same 4" diagonal of the iPhone, put the 7" iPad in as an iPad Air, and let the iPad become the Big-Daddy Pro of the iPad lineup. Reply
Ethaniel - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkI agree, I would love to see the iPod Touch updated, but no, I don´t want them to discontinue it. You have 90 percent of the iPhone´s functions without having to put a provider´s "ball and chain" in your ankle... oh, wait...
My point is, I want a "tablet" that fits in my pocket. The closest thing so far without breaking the bank where I live is the current iPod Touch. If there are no updates, I guess I´ll grab the current gen. Reply
swb311 - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkI can trust you guys to put together solid research with a realistic view for worthwhile reading. Anandtech is certainly the most reliable site on technology on the internet. Reply
FordGT550 - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkScreen is too small! Reply
solarisking - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkWill this device be capable of supporting VoLTE when enabled by the network?
Or would that require a new or different chip?
I'm especially interested in improved voice quality that HD Voice would bring. Reply
name99 - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkDoes anyone have an opinion on whether this will be the device that finally starts RF-MEMS filtering?
There has been muttering about using RF-MEMS (with mechanical resonance filtering) for a few years now, and it seems like the tech should be close to ready, but I'm not yet aware of any commercialization.
The closest thing that exists is WiSpry's RF-MEMS (used in one low-volume Samsung phone that came out in early 2012), but that device seems to be basically a shrink of traditional capacitor+inductor+resistor, not based on mechanical resonance. So it's still subject to the problems of stray capacitance+inductance.
RF-MEMS, even if it costs quite a bit more, seems like a natural fit for Apple, more than any other company. In the first place it saves space, which we know Apple is obsessive about; in the second place it makes it rather easier to support a whole lot of different frequency bands (including the whole LTE band mess, and 5GHz WiFi) without the careful and painful tweaking that is necessary using traditional filters, where the inductances and capacitances from each filter spill over and mess up the nearby filters.
I could see this as a perfect Apple move. MEMS is sexy, so it makes a good "rah rah we are still at the forefront of tech innovation in phones" item for the announcement speech; it also allows the phone to more of an LTE world-phone, and if Apple has a one or two year exclusive on whoever supplies them the RF-MEMS, it makes it more difficult for someone else to ship an LTE world-phone. Reply
FITCamaro - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIRBxRlsYR0 Reply
woggs - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkJust a quickly technical comment. NFC is only magnetically coupled, so isn't like a real antenna. A metal case, unless itself magnetic, won't block the magnetic field. But small size is still a limiter, so I'm not disputing the conclusion. I don't think the metal case is a limiter to NFC. Reply
worldbfree4me - Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - linkWill the new I Phone have a Barometer to assist the A-GPS for altitude awareness? Thanks in advance. Reply
debillin - Wednesday, August 29, 2012 - linkAnandtech, you are the gold standard of tech articles. I'm begging you, do not go down this road. You are above this. Apple rumors are incredibly over-reported. Leave these stories to lesser news sources.
Sincerely, Annoyed longtime reader Reply
olivdeso - Wednesday, August 29, 2012 - linkAt first sight I thought this "NFC chip" was in fact a squared speaker, but now I am suspecting that it could be a pico projector... Reply
olivdeso - Wednesday, August 29, 2012 - linkor a laser 3D scanning device may be? Reply
WaltFrench - Wednesday, August 29, 2012 - linkOverall, this was a very interesting scan of the issues.
But battery life is a huge issue for some users, and important to all. So I was a bit disappointed that after all that GREAT analysis of each of the major subsystems, the contributions to battery life weren't discussed.
LTE is said to be especially battery-hungry in recent chips. Do the hypothesized baseband chips indeed gobble lots of juice? Approximately what milliwattage? And how about the expected screen tech? Screen efficiency was a major hit to power conservation on the Retina iPad; what can be expected here?
And while iOS 6 is still NDA at best, Apple's been dealing with multi-core for a long time. Any credible guesses about the software's ability to downclock the whole CPU and/or cycle individual units on and off, based on previous iOS info? Reply
crankerchick - Wednesday, August 29, 2012 - linkPeople always say, "I hate to bother you but..." and then proceed to bother you. "I hate to convince you, but..." and then proceed to inconvenience you. "I don't mean to be an a jerk it..." and the proceed to be a jerk. Don't say you don't usually like to engage in rumor mill and then basically lend your advice to what rumors make sense and which ones don't. I respect our conclusions and reasoning, and even think you are probably spot on, but I do think your article kind of does the "I hate to contribute to the rumor mill but..." and the contribute to the rumor mill, albeit backed by some sound analysis. I think you are in a dangerous arena for credibility if you travel down this road.
That said, I hope you will touch on your thoughts and how they measured up once the device is announced. I have no doubt some others will do this for you and then comment on any areas where you were wrong. Reply
Toadster - Wednesday, August 29, 2012 - linkLOL - I see what you did there!
hopefully it's not a 12" cube phone ;) Reply
eanazag - Wednesday, August 29, 2012 - linkI am guessing they will include 1GB of RAM as they did in the iPad 3 so that developers will have a consist playing field going forward.
What remains a question is whether they will further upgrade the camera. I think they will leave the camera untouched. The front facing camera could use a boost - especially with the Facetime over cellular coming.
Better battery life compared to the 4S would be very welcome. I have a 4 and won't touch the new iPhone unless it has 4G. I might even jump ship. I have been getting by with my 4G hotspot, but that is a pain. The charge on the hotspot is nowhere near as long as the phone.
Honestly, I have a 4 and am still pretty happy with it. I do feel at times the single core is holding back performance. My biggest wants are addressed with turn-by-turn and 4G. The turn by turn still needs to prove itself.
I am posting this from my iPad.
I am very excited to see MS entering the tablet hardware business with the Surface. I really think Dell and HP have failed miserably with their hardware thus far. They could have done a better job on Windows 7 tablets. I thought MSI took the best approach with AMD's processor and 4GB of RAM. Atom's experience on the graphics side is horrid. HP/Dell knuckleheads trying to push 2GB max devices still running Windows 7. It is still Windows 7 and the best experience is in the 4GB or more arena. Windows 8 and Surface make a lot of sense; there is one scenario that I believe Apple is beat in the tablet space and that is docking. I have a company full of users who have laptops with 2 monitors, a mouse, and keyboard. No mouse support is just ignorant on iOS and no USB drive support. I think Apple has no desire to include mouse support because the iPad may then cut into its laptop sales. Reply
Origin64 - Thursday, August 30, 2012 - linkFirst of all, how does moving the headphone jack to the bottom make sense? I like to listen to music with my phone in my pocket. Were I to buy the new iPhone, which I do admit is unlikely, I would have to do that with the phone upside down.
Secondly, no 1280*720 is a dealbreaker. I want 720p movies at native resolution. Same goes for NFC. I don't see myself using it in the coming months, but I might just want to have it in two years.
5Ghz wifi support is good news, although I think dual or triple channel 2.4 would be good enough for me, especially as there's usually a layer of concrete between me and my routers.
Lastly, battery life. Now I know battery life on the iPhone has always been impressive, and the move to a smaller node should emphasize that even more, but why not capitalize as much as possible on this advantage and release the iPhone with 1800+ mAH. Maybe even 2000. Surely it can be done, and it would open a whole new group of customers to Apple: those that want to charge their phones as sparsely as possible. There's plenty demand for it. Reply
Super56K - Friday, August 31, 2012 - linkI doubt there's serious demand for crazy battery life in a smartphone. It's become ingrained in us to top off our phones each night to have a full charge for the following day. Some flagship phones already give you 2 days of moderate use. Reply
sives - Thursday, August 30, 2012 - linkOur research at Hoverkey (http://bit.ly/SWQGt7) has thrown up an interesting new twist on the iPhone 5 NFC debate set off by your article. Apple was granted a key patent last year that describes a novel design method for embedding an NFC antenna within a screen display aperture or even in the LCD screen module.
This means that the iPhone 5 could have a metal unibody case AND a front-facing NFC antenna. Usability-wise this would make a lot of sense. It's much easier (and more intuitive) for a user to place their iPhone 5 against another NFC device front-first, because their hand is holding the device from the back. Reply
OTD - Friday, August 31, 2012 - linkI agree with sives and it was a major flaw in the original article to assume that the NFC radio frequency has to be emitted from the back of the phone.
Apple engineers always try to mimic human actions and behaviors when designing user interface. When you meet your friend, you hug with your friend face-to-face, not back-to-back. Therefore, if you want to send a iTune gift to your friend through the NFC interface, you two 'bump' your phones in a natural face-to-face way.
The position of the reader is consistent with the one shown in their patent on NFC.
Some one in Japan pointed out that the component in the "leaked photo" was similar to a RFC reader supplied by Toppan TDK Label:
Apple may not use the same reader but the design concept could be similar. The small but thick 1-loop NFC antenna on the front. Then next layer some magnetic shielding material is required to boost up the reading distance. Behind the shielding material will be the NFC RF controller circuit board. The last one is the metallic EMI cover we saw from the photo. The small antenna loop should be able to achieve 2 to 4 cm reading distance for peer-to-peer transactions and card-mode emulation. Reply
iwod - Thursday, August 30, 2012 - linkBeen going through my head, that A6 or what ever it will be called to only have a die shrink mentioned by Anand. This simply wouldn't make sense as the performance gap will be so wide between its competitors. Apple manages to fit a 110mm2 die size A5 inside 4S, the die shrink version tested with Apple TV is only 63mm2. Surely Apple could use a little more Die Space for performance?
Having similar, or zero improvement on graphics doesn't make sense either. With 30% more pixel to work with it will essentially be a downgrade rather then upgrade.
Apple dont use Krait, and QualComm doesn't offer PowerVR based GPU if even Apple liked. I took a few look and research on the web, and it seems very likely Apple will take a similar approach with TI OMAP4470. It uses a standard Cortex A9 as with Apple 's Ax SoC, uses PowerVR 544 which is a little bit more powerful then PowerVR 543 MP2. It also add featues such as CGPU which is like a special GPU for GUI, and reduce the power consumption during normal usage by 10x compare to a normal PowerVR GPU. There is also 2 Cortex M3 Core to help with basic operation like Phone Calls.
Even if Apple didn't licenses the design to use for their own. or buying the chip directly from TI, a similar approach could be done with a bit more R&D.
Since TI OMAP4470 is available soon enough, This sounds like a perfect example of what is possible or Apple A6. Reply
gunblade - Thursday, August 30, 2012 - linkI have friends working in the SOC team and from what I heard silicon was already back in the lab before the new iPad launched. Given the schedule, 9 months should be enough for them to get most of the validation done. If there is no extra spin needed on the silicon, I think it is highly likely that they will go with Cortex A15 based A6 chip. And according the hearsay, it might be the first Rogue based mass production chip. Reply
jlbenton - Tuesday, September 11, 2012 - linkReading the section on NFC, I see a few misleading facts presented. An NFC antenna can work when place on a piece of metal. It basically needs a ferrous film attached to the flat flex circuit to reflect the magnetic waves to the antenna and not to be absorbed by the metal shield.
I have designed a few NFC antennas and found you can get them much smaller than you might think.
Bluetooth LE would never be used for mobile payments as it is not secure. It's transmit range is much larger than NFC. Someone next to you could easily intercept the signal just standing next to you in the grocery store. QR codes take too long to take a photo of, a step backwards compared to a swipe of a card. If Apple is serious about mobile payments, which I believe they should be due to the potential for profits, then NFC is the only answer. Reply

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atlr - Thursday, January 25, 2007 - linkHas anyone compared the performance of agp and pci-e versions of the x1950pro on the Asrock Dual-VSTA?
I am wondering if the 4x PCI-E on the Asrock will be a noticeable bottleneck with a GPU faster than the 6800Ultra. Reply
mongo lloyd - Tuesday, August 22, 2006 - linkDoes anyone know of a board similar to the i865PE-based Asrock board, released or upcoming, that basically has the same features only with gigabit LAN? Intel CSA preferred, but even gigabit hanging off the PCI bus would be better than the 10/100 crap. It's a must for me, and such a board would make an upgrade really desirable. Reply
hibachirat - Tuesday, August 22, 2006 - linkI think you'll have a hard time finding an AGP & DDR intel Conroe supporting mobo with built-in gigabit LAN. mATX too? No hope, but you could get one of these and then add an ethernet card like we used to do in times of yore. Reply
Sc4freak - Saturday, August 19, 2006 - link"Three" in French is "trois". "Tres" means "very".
"ASRock Core 2 Duo: AGP/PCI Express Graphics Performance, Part Very" :p
Un, deux, trois, quatre, cinq, six, sept, huit, neuf, dix. Reply
Gary Key - Sunday, August 20, 2006 - link
"Three" in French is "trois". "Tres" means "very".
I know French, Tres is three in Spanish and hence the change up for our Spanish speaking friends. :) Reply
lapierrem - Thursday, August 17, 2006 - linkI find it very amusing to see that AGP cards can still beat a PCI-e card which is supposed to be so much faster and better in many respects, but apparently isn't. I know on the other Asrock boards, like the 939DualSata2 the AGP is bridged off the PCI-E bus and is supposed to be slower, but wow. Maybe if we had gone with dual AGP cards for SLI we woulda had the real deal Reply
CrappyLuckMan - Thursday, August 17, 2006 - linkAnandtrash buys ascrock stock and bans me. Yey no more n00bs. Reply
CrappyLuckMan - Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - linkIn all the asrock tests it's the Asrock that's a bottleneck. I believe the best way to bench is use a card that comes in both flavors and run it on an NF4 w/AM2 DDR-2 and one in an NF4 agp mobo with DDR. You test ram and video card this way at the same time on the same chipset and same cpu with same cache and same speed. Only difference is one is ddr-2 and has an extra pin.
And from my experience with Asrock boards is that they die for no reason and wont boot no matter what you do after a while. You get what you pay for and I can't believe how much attention you are giving this cheapo mobo. Reply
hibachirat - Friday, August 18, 2006 - linkToo bad your experience was negative, but I have had top of the line ASUS and AOPEN boards that were junk fresh out of the box. And problematic top of the line boards from MSI and Abit. Also had great boards from the same makers. Now I'm running some "cheap" boards from Asrock and Biostar that are rock solid. The difference between the high end and low end boards has more to do with cutting edge feature sets and fractional performance gains than it does with stability and longevity. Asrock may be soft-rock to the T-O-L boards heavy metal, but that suits some of us just fine. Reply
CrappyLuckMan - Saturday, August 19, 2006 - linkWell then again I see on newegg a lot of people use junk ram and or crappy psu's and call the mobo junk cause it doesn't post. Even if the asrock posts and doesn't die in a year, I still think it is a bottleneck and it shouldn't be used to compare agp vs pci x16. Reply
hibachirat - Saturday, August 19, 2006 - linkI agree that the AGP vs. PCIE would better be compared on another board, but I think Gary's point with these articles was more that those of us with decent AGP cards don't need to dash out and buy a $200 MB, $300 of DDR2 RAM, and a $300 PCIE GPU, just to upgrade to a Core 2 CPU. I'm sure it will run great for more than a year, but by that time it will probably be working as test PC somewhere in the office after I splurge for those other new parts.
Yeah, some of those Newegg "junk" people make me yell. Just saw one yesterday where somebody ordered a case and then returned it because the power supply wattage rating was too low for them. Of course the power supply rating was stated clearly in the specs on the same page...doh! Reply
joex444 - Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - linkdid you really just write a review and do benchmarks to show that AGP is faster than PCI-E x4? I thought this was a given. Next, why don't you see if x16 has more performance than x4, use a real slot and just tape the pins to cripple the card. Gosh, I'd love to hear how that turns out. Next up: Do you really need L1 cache? Reply
Paradox999 - Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - linkI have to congradulate AT for this great series.
Chalk me up as another person who is looking at either the ASRock 775i65G or ASRock 775Dual-VSTA for a quick upgrade with one of the lower cost Conroes and recycled 2gigs Mushkin DDR500 and AGP Ati x850XTPE.
What I really want to know is does the ASRock 775i65G have any cpu voltage adjustment at all, or is it stable with mild overclocking on the Conroe? With it's superior performance I prefer the ASRock 775i65G. I'd leave the DDR2/PCI-E to a later bigger upgrade that would at that time include a better motherboard.
Cheers! Reply
Gary Key - Thursday, August 17, 2006 - link
What I really want to know is does the ASRock 775i65G have any cpu voltage adjustment at all, or is it stable with mild overclocking on the Conroe?
It does not have any voltage options. The FSB is limited to 300 which is no issue for a E6300/6400 to hit without a volt increase. The board is extremely stable at 300FSB. Reply
Paradox999 - Thursday, August 17, 2006 - linkGary,
thanks. If i understand you correctly, I *shoud* get a 300fsb with both low end Conroes but with the higher multiplyer of the E6400 that might be the sweet spot for this 'budget' system.
Thanks again for the reviews!!!!! Reply
teraus - Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - linki am about to buy this board along with a e6600 conroe with my gainward 7800gs+ and ddr pc3200 memory. this is a fill in until next year. found the article very interesting.there are people who always buy the latest thing and some of us look for performance on a budget and buy later and smarter
i dont intend to use a pcie card with this board Reply
zemane - Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - linkI would like to know the performance of a system with my video card, ATI A-I-W X800 XT AGP on this motherboard using a Core 2 Duo E6300 or E6600 CPU and 2GB memory, since I am planning to upgrade to something like that soon. And how it would later perform if I upgrade that with a mid-range PCI-E card. Thanks! Reply
lemonadesoda - Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - linkI would like to have seen the comparison of this mainboard PCI-4x against a PCI-8x or 16x with similar CPU so we can see how much of a bottleneck (or performance loss) there is with this system. Plase consider a PART 4. Reply
kmmatney - Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - linkLike the lack of Socket 939 Semprons, I think the lack of a low cost Conroe (Core Solo>) is a major bummer. I guess you can always get a Pentium D for cheap, but then your back to a hot, power hungry processor. When are "Celeron" Core processors die out? Reply
mendocinosummit - Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - linkI am getting tired of this motherboard. Anandtech has not done a real interesting review that I have actually read for almost two weeks. When are there going to be some different reviews. Reply
kmmatney - Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - linkThese reviews have been very interesting for me. I have 5 computers in the house (Mine, Wife, 2 for the kids, computer hooked up to the TV) so I don't want to be spending more money than I have to. The only problem I can see with this motherboard is that there are no decent "budget" processors to put in there yet, and the big spenders probably won't be buying this board.
If you want to keep an AGP, DDR, bugdet gaming system around or use older parts, then your best bang for buck is the Athlon 3400+ and AGP motherboard combo at NewEgg for $99. Reply
Gary Key - Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - link
I am getting tired of this motherboard. Anandtech has not done a real interesting review that I have actually read for almost two weeks. When are there going to be some different reviews.
How do you think I feel after a 100 plus hours with this board. ;-) Although we concentrated on one board, the purpose was to show a migration path and the effects of typical GPU and Memory configurations with the "budget" Core 2 Duo. Our plans are to do more of these types of articles in the future with various components. I think everyone will agree that always testing a $1000 CPU, $600 GPU, $450 Memory, and a $250 Motherboard is not in the best interests of our audience when a large portion might be willing to spend only $400~$1000 for a total platform update. We will have our next roundup of P965 boards shortly along with some additional AM2 coverage among other things. Reply
GoatMonkey - Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - linkI feel like this board is interesting enough to be worthy of its own detailed review. I like that it was broken up into multiple parts instead of one huge one that I would never completely read. I don't have huge amounts of time each day to read this stuff, so small doses works best.
I have been seriously considering buying one to upgrade my Athlon XP3200 with a GeForce FX5950 Ultra and a single 1GB DDR stick. However, I think I have decided against it since I want to keep that machine's parts as upgrades for my HTPC/Beyond TV machine which is running an Athlon XP2100. It would greatly reduce my mpeg4 compression times to be able to upgrade that computer with the XP3200 and faster ram. So, while I appreciated the detailed review I'm going to have to go with another route and lay down more money to get DDR2 and a PCIe video card.
Anyway, I'm done rambling, not that anyone is interested, but it helped me plan my system to write this.
saiku - Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - linkThis is precisely the kind of article that I love about Anandtech. It provides a clear idea to us "gamers-with-jobs" :). Great work, Gary ! Keep 'em coming ! Reply
mendocinosummit - Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - linkI posted above. But yay I usually just like to see how my hardware and the hardware that I buy for customers compare for others, but I feel that these three reviews could have been combined to one review and still have other reviews. I am just saying that the frequency and variety of reveiws on Anandtech has been lacking for a while. At first I thought a big review was coming out and then I was just disappointed. Reply
mino - Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - linkYeahm they could have, maybe it has something to do with the fact human resources are kinda limited ?
One should not expect one big quality review(10+ pages) a day.
I'd rather have 1 smaller, bu quality one, a day, then 1 huge one a week.
Just a though.
Remember the amount of work is NOT proportional to the amount of words necessary to describe it! Reply
mendocinosummit - Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - linkYa, I know how long it takes to swap RAM, change bios, reboot, reboot, reboot, benchmark, change bios, reboot, swap ram, etc. Reply
poohbear - Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - linklol the MAJORITY of ppl out there are still using AGP solutions, so lots of ppl still care about it mate. Reply
veryevilmike - Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - linkI disagree completely - this has been the best reviews on AT for a long time, as it is very relevant to a large proportion of the userbase so soon after this new chip's release. There are endless numbers of hardware sites overclocking their free x6800 engineering samples with pre-release ram and diamond encrusted motherboards ad nauseum if thats your fancy. Reply
mendocinosummit - Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - linkNot really. Just that Anandtech has already done many reviews comparing DDR and DDR2 and also who really cares about the performance difference between PCI express x4 and AGP. No one is going to go buy a AGP board now and if they still do have one they are not going to have a x4 or any other express slot on their motherboard. Really most people buy new comps every 2 to 4 years and if I remember right Express has been out for at least two years if not more.
I like to see more reviews about AM2 and Conroe boards and not just how well they overclock, but mainly stability issues. I tried buying a C2D setup for my friend, but I did not feel comfortable with all the problems with limited number of boards out there that support dual GPU's. I want to know how long I have to wait or should I wait for better motherboards to come out. This should include high to low. It is nice to know how much a CPU does OC though. Most people that build their own systems also overclock. I like to know how much to overclock, instead of reading the Newegg reviews. Reply
Shoal07 - Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - link"Pairing the motherboard with a top end GPU results in performance that is up to 10% slower than competing motherboards, but it is unlikely anyone would be looking to purchase a $300+ GPU to use with a $50 motherboard.)"
I disagree with this statement. Many of us have good/great AGP cards, gigs of memory laying around (or in the old systems to upgrade) and basically want a new, and faster, processor. In order to do this (AGP, DDR memory and a C2D) we need a mobo that can support all 3. Of which there is... 1? I think we'll see more people buying high end processors to use with this budget mobo then we will with any other budget mobo. The motivations are different. When was the last time we were really offered the opportunity to upgrade overtime?
Existing AGP and DDR --> (Phase 1) New budget mobo and high end processor --> (Phase 2) Upgrade to high end memory or PCI-X video card --> (Phase 3) Ditto --> (Phase 4) replace mobo with High end mobo. Walla! High end system in steps. Saves the wallet and the wife aggro.
Orbitr8 - Saturday, August 26, 2006 - linkI just dropped $400 into an e6400, Asrock VSTA, and another SATA drive.
Took quite some time to get the SATA to work for some reason, and I could never get it to be the boot drive, so I'm using it as the Program drive...
Aside from that, I really did NOT want to shell out another $400 for DDR2 ram and a PCI-e vid card, since I just bought a couple gigs of XMS for my aging X3400, and a 6800XT AGP card not too long ago.
Once up and running, I have to admit, it flies. Literally, I had to tie the case down. No, really. ;)
anyway. A simple flick of the keyboard in the CPU setting in the BIOS to 300, and no sneezes at all.
Using DDR ram absolutely does not present any speed issues over DDR2. NONE !! In fact, my ram is faster than DDR2. Go figure.
As for my 'aging' 6800XT, I gained roughly 75 to 100+ FPS in UT2004 with no vid card unlocking !!
BF2 now plays smooth as butter ~ I can only imagine how nice a 7800 would be, but I'm not into spending that kind of money for games.
All in all, this article and the tests performed were exactly what I wanted to see, because the scenario fit me to a 'T', and I'm sure there are many more of us out there.
Just because some of you insist on being bleeding edge, even if the changes don't offer any performance gains, doesn't mean the rest of us are like that. I'm into actually getting my $$ worth out of my gear before I upgrade. The key is to seriously consider the upgrade path and all the options before spending.
This upgrade was probaby one of the best experiences I've had so far in the last 10 years, the first being the change from a 266 PII to a 1GHz Athlon.
So, Thumbs UP for both AnandTech and Asrock for being responsible for me actually writing a post.
a WTG from me. Reply
joex444 - Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - linkWalla! Erm, ahm, VOILA! Reply
yyrkoon - Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - linkOwning a Asrock AM2NF4G-SATA2 motherboard, and using it in conjunction with a AMD 64 AM2 3800+, I also have to disagree. While my preffered motherboard IS a highend motherboard (ABIT AN9 32x for AM2, and ABIT AB9 Pro for Conroe), I find these Asrock boards for the most part very good motherboards, especially for the price. The only real drawback for my current AM2 board, is that it seems it wont enter into windows XP pro SP2 setup with a SATA drive attached (which means I have to install to a IDE drive). Anyhow, I find myself considering upgrading my older socket A 3200+ XP system using this board, and migrating the rest of the components, with of course a C2D CPU.
Anyhow, least we forget, Asrock IS a division of Asus . . . Reply
Myrandex - Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - linkjust so you know, PCI-X and PCIe is not the same thing. There really aren't PCI-X video cards.. Reply
Uwe - Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - linkSo would something like a vanilla 6600 AGP be worth transferring over to this ASUS board with an E6300? I like articles like these because it doesn't deal with parts I can't afford. I've been hanging onto XP 2500+ Barton for a while now. The ASUS board has perked my interest in an affordable upgrade. Thanks! Reply
kalrith - Thursday, August 17, 2006 - linkIt would be worth it if it allowed you to do your upgrades in steps. For about $270 you could get this mobo and a E6300. Then in a few months or whenever, you could upgrade your video card. Then you could later pick up 2GB of DDR2.
Just keep in mind that you will get little or no improvement in gaming performance with this upgrade (unless you are running a lot of stuff in the background while gaming). Reply
VooDooAddict - Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - linkI think it all depends on if you are happy with the video performance of the vanilla 6600 AGP. Reply
Gary Key - Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - linkI basically agree with your viewpoint. There was a difference of opinion on the staff about my original comments/thoughts that is now back in place. ;-) However, to a certain degree I believe if you are going to spend $500 on a GPU solution intended for gaming that you would probably want a better performing motherboard (one with a true PCIe x16 slot) to maximize that investment. It is a toss up decision that could go either way depending on the individual circumstances. Thank you for the comments Reply
yyrkoon - Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - linkI for one will probably NEVER spend more on a GPU, than I spend on a motherboard / CPU combination. Since most of the time, my upgrade monies are rather limited, I tend to upgrade as little as possible, and opt for mid-range GPUs.
My current system is: Asrock AM2NF4G-SATA2 | AMD 64 AM2 3800+ | 2GB Corsair DDR2 6400 | eVGA 7600GT KO | Seagate Barracuda 80 GB IDE | Seagate Barracuda 250GB SATA | Antec 450SL 450W PSU. Now I think its fairly obvious what I had to upgrade, and I spent around $600-$650 for CPU, motherboard, memory, and video card (plus a Lian Li PC-G50 case), including shipping. In any computer system, there are three things I will never skimp on for my own personal PC (and will protest having to do so for a customer), these three things are: Motherboard, memory, and PSU. Despite the fact that Asrock boards are in-expencive, and a bit quirky, they make very solid motherboards, and know quite a few people who use them in server setups all the time (some even use them exclusively).
Anyhow, back to my point, WHY on gods earth would I spend $500 on a GPU, when I only spend $600 (ish) on my whole upgrade . . . and trust me, I'm not alone. Reply
deathwalker - Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - linkThis review is right on the mark! Very pleased to see this type of review that so closely address's the needs of the budget restricted enthusiast. In my opinion this is one of the best series of reiviews that AT has done in quite some time. I feel far too often that AT is unduely influenced by a small sector of big daddy warbucks system builders in there reiview approach. When in fact it is quiet possible that there are more system builders out there that actually have to feed their families and put a roof over there heads, which comes before there desire to dump the next 2 mortage payments on new computer parts. In closing it is interest to see and also somewhat confirm the feel that many have had about PCIe graphics..its more about hype and marketing than it is about performance. Great job Gary. Reply
poohbear - Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - link"Pairing the motherboard with a top end GPU results in performance that is up to 10% slower than competing motherboards, but it is unlikely anyone would be looking to purchase a $300+ GPU to use with a $50 motherboard.)"
there are quite a few owners of the asrock dualsata2 that bought the mobo for its agp 8x support so they dont hafta ditch their 6800GTs/Ultras and later bought a 7900gtx when upgrading (very expensive card for a very cheap mobo). The fact of the matter is all the a64 mobos barely show any difference in performance @ stock because the memory controller is on the cpu, not the chipset anymore. so really, assuming u're running the cpu @ stock, there is no difference in performance between a FX62 on a $250 dfi mobo and a $70 budget Asrock mobo. For overclocking & onboard features, it's a different story. Reply
JarredWalton - Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - linkThe statement (made by me and not Gary) applies specifically to the ASRock 775Dual, not any Athlon 64 compatible boards. Also, note that "unlikely" doesn't mean some of you won't do it, but as also pointed out in the statement it is likely to be a temporary situation. Gary also mentioned in the Conroe Buyer's Guide that power delivery is at least something of a concern: "...we had no difficulties running our ATI X1900XTX or EVGA 7900GTX in the board - though we never quite trusted it due to power delivery concerns. The board on a couple of occasions while overclocking completed a brown out while either GPU was being stressed in 3DMark06."
Does that mean you shouldn't use the board with a high-end GPU? No. But at the high-end you do lose more performance - as much as an entire CPU bin - and overclocking plus a high-end GPU doesn't appear to be 100% reliable. As a temporary solution? Sure, go for it. As a long term solution to get faster CPU performance? Again, go for it. As a long term to run the latest GPUs - and maybe a G80 or R6xx in the future - I at least would be very hesitant. Reply


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The AnandTech Podcast: Episode 7by Anand Lal Shimpi on 10/1/2012 3:19 PM EST
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andykins - Monday, October 01, 2012 - link7 mins into the podcast on iTunes and there is just silence where I should be hearing Brian talk :P Reply
Anand Lal Shimpi - Monday, October 01, 2012 - linkWorking on it :) Should have the fixed MP3 up in a few mins. Reply
Anand Lal Shimpi - Monday, October 01, 2012 - linkThe fixed mp3 is up, m4a coming next... Reply
Anand Lal Shimpi - Monday, October 01, 2012 - linkand now they're both fixed! Reply
andykins - Monday, October 01, 2012 - linkAwesome response time, thank you :) Reply
harish7u - Monday, October 01, 2012 - linkHas the iTunes Podcast Version been fixed too? Yet to see any updates in iTunes. If not please make another re-upload to iTunes. Reply
Anand Lal Shimpi - Monday, October 01, 2012 - linkYou should be fine now, just tested from within iTunes :) Reply
harish7u - Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - linkReally sorry!! But the one I downloaded from iTunes still seems to be having problems... Reply
harish7u - Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - linkIs it possible for Anandtech to change the file in iTunes. Or upload another corrected version of the podcast to iTunes? Would be helpful.. Reply
Lib3rty - Monday, October 01, 2012 - link1:20:12 on the m4a that I'm listening to on Downcast in iOS cuts to silence. Reply
Lib3rty - Monday, October 01, 2012 - linkAh sorry, ignore me! I forgot that I queued up the stream earlier today, just didn't start playing until now, I usually don't do that. Thanks for the great podcast! Reply
AmdInside - Monday, October 01, 2012 - linkYou guys are the best. No other tech podcast compares to Anandtech podcast. Reply
Lib3rty - Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - linkI would still listen start-to-finish if it was 4x longer. These guys know what they're talking about and express things in a technical nature that is matched by no other podcast I've heard.
Since I have more time available for podcast listening than I do article reading, I am thankful for the addition of this podcast. Reply
Sunrise089 - Monday, October 01, 2012 - linkThanks for the helpful outline! Reply
justaviking - Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - link+1
I have enjoyed every bit of every podcast so far, and am looking forward to listening to this one too.
Even though I'm confident I'll eventually listen to everything, it is nice to know that the items I'm most interested in today are in the first half of a nearly two-hour podcast.
Thanks for everything you do. AnandTech.com is the best! Reply
tipoo - Monday, October 01, 2012 - linkI want Nintendo to do something really different with the Wii U versions of their first party games, it should be capable of providing Skyrim-like depth to a Zelda game for instance. I hope there's more too it than just the touchscreen controller as a selling point.
On that topic I'm really curious to hear the whole AT teams thoughts on how much we can say about the performance of the Wii U, we know that it has a typical gaming power draw of 45w and peak of 75w, 1GB RAM reserved for the OS (odd) and 1GB (shared) available to games and likely 32MB of eDRAM cache similar to the 360. Apart from those things we only have rumors to go on, the GPU seems likely to be an RV7** derivative, although some more recent rumors said the embedded E6760. The CPU is more of a mystery, IBM recently retracted statements that said it was Power7 based, instead calling it only "power based" and apologizing for the past reference error. We also know it is 45nm, like the 360 Slim CPU now is. With only a max of 75 watts to work with the CPU is probably constrained to 25 or so, I think.
So what I'm wondering is, would a modern Power architecture under such low power draw be able to significantly outperform the processors in the PS360? Even compared to the slim versions of either, it has less power to work with, less chassis space for cooling, and on the same manufacturing process. The consensus from developers seems to be that the GPU is significantly better than the old consoles but the CPU is holding things back, some even say it's weaker than the 360. But then, maybe they need to get used to it like they did for the Cell, although I don't think it's that far-out an architecture this time.
Anyways, curious what everyone thinks. Reply
makken - Monday, October 01, 2012 - linkSo this podcast got me curious, is there a way to quickly search for all the products that've gotten an editor's choice award from anandtech? Reply
Death666Angel - Monday, October 01, 2012 - linkAfter the first few minutes (love the game talk!) I definitely like what you did with the sound. It is much better and almost sounds like you were all in the same room. I hope it stays that way! Thanks! :D Reply
Aikouka - Monday, October 01, 2012 - linkI would actually recommend against Ian's advice for side-quests in Borderlands 2. Borderlands has a weird way of determining your reward for a quest... it's purely based on what level you were when you picked up the quest. Even if the enemies have leveled up with you, you will still get an old award. So, people highly recommend to *avoid* side-quests in play-through 2 until you beat the game the second time.
I was a bit interested in the purple haze iPhone 5 talk, but I came away rather disappointed. I've noticed the odd purple hue to all lens flares when compared to my other mobile devices (iPad 2, ASUS TF300), and I've been hoping that someone would explain what about the iPhone 5 would cause it to have a purple hue to its lens flares. Brian, would you mind ringing in on this? There are some Anandtech forum users that would certainly appreciate a good explanation! Reply
IanCutress - Monday, October 01, 2012 - linkInteresting on that. I'm still on playthrough one, so I'll probably take your advice on playthrough two!
For that 'worst game ever', the game is Big Rigs: http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/big-rigs-over-th... - "YOU'RE WINNER!" (there was actually a patch to fix this typo I believe...).
Ian Reply
Aikouka - Monday, October 01, 2012 - linkI think it's good to keep in mind that it also depends on whether you care about the reward as well. Some rewards don't really change, so it might not matter. For example, I don't care if the Bane SMG is level 40 or 50... I'm NEVER going to use that gun.
If you haven't had the "pleasure" of seeing that gun yet, here's a video of it from some random YouTube person:
As a warning, you may want to ensure your speakers are at a suitable volume. ;)
Also, some quests don't have an item reward, and it might be easier to complete then with the mobs below your level. Since you played the original Borderlands, I'm sure you remember how difficult the Circle of Duty quest line was in play-through 2.
In regard to the play-through mechanic portion of the podcast, I'm becoming a bit tired of the whole play-through aspect of gaming. In some ways, I think Diablo III really ruined it with requiring the players to go play through the game three times just to reach the "true difficulty." Although, I've honestly never been the player that plays a game more than once just for fun. Fortunately for me, Runic Games was kind enough to simply allow us to specify the difficulty in Torchlight II. Reply
fusrodah - Monday, October 01, 2012 - linkYour podcasts are very well done as far as not talking over each other much and the flow of the conversations. It would be cool if we could get some video as well, otherwise you guys do a great job. I appreciate all the hard work you have to do in order for all of this to come together. However, could you link to podcasts on your main links up top, your header I guess. Reply
Kevin G - Monday, October 01, 2012 - linkI loved the sections about reviews and rating systems. If you bring back a numerical system, just be sure to start writing the reviews as if you were playing Halo 2 multiplayer.
Also your Samsung 840 died? Got any details on what happened there?
Looking forward to your thoughts on Windows 8. Reply
DerPuppy - Monday, October 01, 2012 - linkhttp://www.dpreview.com/articles/6867454450/quick-...
they make a pretty good case for the pixel binning-> upscale case with photos. Want throw some "engineering textbook" comments this way? Reply
LeftSide - Monday, October 01, 2012 - linkThank you so much for your photography rant. There is so much FUD out there. It is good to hear the truth every once in a while. Reply
cj100570 - Sunday, October 07, 2012 - linkTo me it came across like a rant from an iPhone fan. I'm no professional photographer but I've taken thousands of photos and have never had any photos, using a cellphone or point and shoot, come out with a purple tinge no matter how I hold the camera. Reply
runner50783 - Monday, October 01, 2012 - linkI really enjoy your podcast guys, you know your audience and deliver!, There are other sites with tech podcast too but compared to this, those are more like entertainment shows really like The Verge cast or Engadget podcast. I like that you put out some very good arguments and we learn a thing or two.
It will be awesome if you could have some kind of segments within the podcast dedicated to cover stuff in details, kind of what we have on TWiT where they add things like the enterprise pick of the week, recommended reading, etc, so that your audience can learn even more.
I really liked the chat about the situation with PR relationships, no wonder why positiveness of reviews starts decreasing as days pass. It always seems like those with early access to devices like the iPhone tend to give better scores.
All in all, great stuff :) Reply
BradCube - Monday, October 01, 2012 - linkRunning off the idea of using accelerometers to embed vector motion metadata for smartphone cameras, I thought Brian might be interested to know that the RED Epic and Scarlet camera's in their latest beta firmware builds have had their internal gyro's enabled for metadata recording. Should be some interesting results once software developers work out how to best use this data for stabilization, 3D tracking etc. Reply
kylewat - Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - linkI love what you talked about with the conflict of interests in the reviews. I used to read audiophile, hi-if, reviews regularly. They deal terribly with the conflict of interests, everyone knows it and the publications suffer. In the hi-if space, first of all reviews are not very scientific, second they are all so positive. They never say anything negative, you have to read between the lines, less things they have to 'swap out' or 'balance out' the better. Basically, they are awful. You know it is because there is product, and they need to review it, and also get adds. Anyway, they have lost the war and there are no objective reviews.
On the other side, the lack thereof of good reviews has kept the brick and mortar retail business alive. Reply
crypticsaga - Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - linkWrite any number on a check and I will sign it in exchange for a book by Anand on the inner workings of technology journalism. Reply
ssj3gohan - Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - linkI'm sorry for spamming my blog post again, but I've done some power analysis on IVB a while ago, with the Core i5-3570K. At full load (OCCT+Furmark), I'm seeing 14.79W going into the IGP and 41.28W going into the CPU side of things, with a very slight undervolt.
blog post:
power breakdown:
This is on a modded system, so that power breakdown is an absolute best-case scenario, but suffice it to say that HD 4000 graphics definitely don't fit into Haswell power envelopes, so I'm expecting at least a 2X power efficiency increase with the Haswell ultrabook parts.
AMD power efficiency is well-publicized, they get around 10-12 GFLOPS/W with their 32nm parts (just behind southern islands):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Islands_(GPU... Reply
sp3x0ps - Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - linkGreat job guys, really enjoyed listening, keep up the great work, looking forward to the iPhone 5 review, hopefully you go into the small details that haven't been discussed yet by other websites. Reply
scavio - Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - linkHad some audio issues with this one, but still very entertaining. It's nice to listen to a podcast where to participants actually know what they are talking about and don't try to talk over each other in the name of entertainment.
I also wanted to throw in a thank you to Brian for saying that antennagate was in fact real and not pretending like it never happened like some other sites/podcasts out there. Reply
dishayu - Wednesday, October 03, 2012 - linkI think you should get Kristian on board and do an SSD episode discussing how different types of NANDs work, real life implications of different NAND types. The performance parameters of SSDs that matter in a real life context. How to pick an SSD (or a hard drive for that matter) while looking at just the benchmarks and theoretical data, etc etc.
And the sound issues from episode 6 seem to have disappeared. So an enjoyable podcast, this one. Reply
SeleniumGlow - Wednesday, October 03, 2012 - linkI could follow Brian and his rants despite being a telecom guy with only basic knowledge of optics... I look forward to his rants in future podcasts too, though I wonder if it would be welcome by the rest of the audience... Reply
TrackSmart - Wednesday, October 03, 2012 - linkYou guys really need to do an article on Smartphone Battery Life & Performance Myths. As this podcast really showed, there are so many tech savvy people doing non-nonsensical things in their attempts to improve battery life, or performance, under Android or iOS. It's because the way these functions really work are a mystery to most of us - and mostly based on bad information gleaned on internet forums.
That's my recommendation for piece. Thanks for the enlightening podcast. Reply
dmaclaren - Wednesday, October 03, 2012 - linkI loved your sections on the pressures from companies to alter reviews, and Brian's bit on purplehaze-gate. His knowledge comes through nicely. This was your best podcast. Reply
noblemo - Thursday, October 04, 2012 - linkThank you for the great podcasts and thorough, well-written articles and reviews. I sincerely appreciate the everyone's insights and professionalism. Reply
moep - Thursday, October 04, 2012 - linkI stopped listening to Podcasts years ago, but after checking out #1 of the Anandtech Podcast, I look forward to it showing up on my mobile device every week. The pairing of Anand, Brian and Ian is perfect. I can't get enough of Brian's fascinating explanations (and rants).
My only suggestion for improvement would be a "personal pick of the week", where you briefly talk about a (possibly obscure) hardware or software product, app or internet service that you have found useful. Reply
rs541 - Thursday, October 04, 2012 - linkThanks for doing these podcasts, I've enjoyed most of them. This one was very low signal-to-noise for me. Granted everyone likes different stuff, and apparently most people liked this, but many of the topics were just very low density, lots of repetition. I have difficulty skipping around using a portable media player while running, scrubbing through a 2 hour podcast on a 2 inch slider. Some podcasts on ITunes have the equivalent of chapters (not sure if that's what they're called). The segments I'm interested in are awesome and the ones I'm not interested in are extraordinarily long! I would love it if you guys could add chapters. Reply
maximumGPU - Friday, October 05, 2012 - linkJust to add my voice to the others, love the poscasts! keep them coming!
As others suggested chapter selection would be a nice addition. Reply
Klugfan - Saturday, October 06, 2012 - linkI love that the podcast is high content and low filler. I love that if I don't pay attention for thirty seconds, I may be lost - that means my attention isn't being wasted.
So keep it up. I spent a week trying to find a tech podcast that didn't have me slapping myself awake, and you guys are basically it. Reply
risa2000 - Sunday, October 07, 2012 - linkWhile it is difficult for me to arrange one and half hour for your guys, I must admit, once I do, it is really easy to forget about the time. The technical prowess reminds me John Carmack's keynotes. And listening to Ian's and Brian's different accents even brings some entertainment value ;-).
One question about the artwork in the m4a file you upload to iTunes. Is it intentional? It has been big A for few first episodes, now it is ND :). Reply
FrankPdx - Monday, October 08, 2012 - linkHi,
You guys asked for comments. First I think it is very nice that you don't "overtalk" each other. Second, I like that Anand asks Brian to explain some of the technical terms he uses. And third I really did gain a greater understanding of how camera modules work and the associated shortcomings of them including the "purple haze " issue.
Keep up the good work,
Portland Oreon Reply
HHCosmin - Thursday, October 11, 2012 - linkhi. since the first podcast i tried to listen to the podcast in firefox but no success. the player shows up for a fraction of a second and then disapears. i'm using firefox 16 but same was with 14 and 15. in ie9 it works just fine. can you do something about it? Reply
kylewat - Thursday, October 11, 2012 - linkHello Anandtech!
I was expecting the iPhone review last week as per your podcast I thought. Also, why is there no podcast this week? Reply
darienphoenix - Tuesday, October 16, 2012 - linkI can honestly say that listening to these podcasts is one of the best parts of my week.
Also I love how Brian goes off on tangents way above the average person's knowledge in particular fields, they're hilarious and informative at the same time. The rant about 'purplehazegate' was particularly brilliant. Reply


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