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ECS X79R-AX (Black Extreme) Reviewby Ian Cutress on 1/13/2012 12:30 PM EST
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connor4312 - Friday, January 13, 2012 - linkGood mobo, great price (relatively). Now if only the 3930k would come back in stock... Reply
Ratman6161 - Monday, January 16, 2012 - linkThat may not be true if you want a 32 GB memory configuration. With 4 Dimm slots you need 8 GB modules where with the boards with 8 slots you can use cheaper 4 GB modules. Checked NE and saw 4x8 kits going for about $100 more than 8x4. If 16 GB is enough for you (and honestly, how many people really NEED more than 16 GB) then this won't matter. But if you want to go for 32 it may actually come out cheaper to buy a more expensive mother board with 8 slots. Reply
gw33dz - Friday, January 20, 2012 - linkThat's a good point, on the other hand, if your going the way of 2011 then your going for performance, and i believe (correct me if i'm wrong) that 4 populated ram slots will perform better than 8, in quad channel. I've based this on the principals of dual channel, and I would actually appreciate confirmation either way if my assumption is correct. Those 8GB module kits are pricey at the moment, but another benefit (if you need the 32GB) will be lower power consumption and therefore less heat generation.
It's interesting to note with this mobo the dual GB Network adapters, I really wonder why most other x79's are neglecting this feature. Reply
flipmode - Friday, January 13, 2012 - linkThere are some golden rules to follow once it comes to building your own computer. One of those golden rules is:
Do *NOT* buy ECS.
ECS sucks. I don't care if they accidentally did an "OK" job this time. Surely their BIOS support will be a total disappointment just as it is already clear that they cut a bunch of corners on this board to begin with.
Do *NOT* buy ECS. Reply
AssBall - Friday, January 13, 2012 - linkI dunno if you had some bad experiences or what, but I have done a few builds with ECS and thought the quality and reliability were pretty good. Also always an excellent value.
I never tried one of their enthusiast boards though. Reply
futurepastnow - Friday, January 13, 2012 - linkYears ago, ECS merged with another company, PC Chips, which many years earlier infamously sold 486 motherboards with fake caches and counterfeit chipsets.
Some geeks never forget. Reply
estover - Friday, January 13, 2012 - linkfuturepastnow said:
"Years ago, ECS merged with another company, PC Chips, which many years earlier infamously sold 486 motherboards with fake caches and counterfeit chipsets.
Some geeks never forget."
Yep I'm one of them. When I think of ECS, I think shit! Reply
iamkyle - Saturday, January 14, 2012 - linkThey're called 'Extreme Crap Systems' for a reason, you know. Reply
piroroadkill - Tuesday, January 17, 2012 - linkYeah. PC Chips boards were absolute bottom of the rung, and so were ECS.
I know about the fake cache chips on the boards too. Reply
Wesleyrpg - Sunday, January 15, 2012 - linki remember this, im fact im sure i switched boards from VLB to PCI, and still ended up with a board with fake cache (on both boards).
Was around August 1995 if i remember correctly! (i was in uni at the time and didn't have alot of money for an expensive board)
Maybe i should send ECS an invoice for two motherboards...... :) Reply
theangryintern - Monday, January 16, 2012 - linkI fell victim to their low prices a few times, and every time it was a complete crap product. I've had a few friends that have had nothing but trouble with their products as well. Definitely one company I will stay way away from and I never recommend their products to anyone I know. Reply
darwiniandude - Sunday, January 15, 2012 - linkI built an 'el cheapo box in late 2001 based around an ECS K7S5A motherboard, SiS chipset, AMD cpu, it was the cheapest of the cheap at the time. Was mostly used as an office machine, but it's never had any hardware replaced until I replaced it with something good a few months ago. Was mostly on 24/7.
Obviously, I'm sure this the exception rather than the rule, but I was still pretty impressed. Reply
LoneWolf15 - Sunday, January 15, 2012 - linkThe K7S5A wasn't a bad board --provided you got a good one. The design was fair --the quality control, like many other ECS products, was all over the map.
I'm sure ECS can design an okay board, should they choose to do so. However, one segment of their production is cut-rate low-cost boards (which does nothing to inspire confidence) and if you combine that with inconsistent quality control, I don't trust their top-end stuff based on the other things they make.
MSI, Gigabyte, and others have much higher consistency in quality control even in their value $70-100 mainboards. Reply
JediJeb - Sunday, January 15, 2012 - linkI am currently using one of the ECS L7S7A2 motherboard, matter of fact posting from it right now. It isn't and extreme overclocker but I have been running my AthlonXP2400M overclocked from 1.8ghz to 2.3ghz for the last 6 years or so 24/7. Before that I was using an ECS K7S5A which ran for several years overclocked until it was hit by lightening and popped one of the MOSFETs. I guess I have been one of the lucky ones to get two good boards in a row. Reply
DanNeely - Monday, January 16, 2012 - linkWhat a lot of people nursing grudges from a decade+ back fail to acknowledge is that when the number of board makers consolidated heavily in the early part of the last decade that the surviving companies with bad engineering reps were able to gobble entire design teams from companies that produced quality products but didn't have enough volume to sustain themselves in the market with the result that even the budget brands now have decent hardware quality. Reply
Nfarce - Monday, January 16, 2012 - linkGlad I'm not the only one who thinks ECS is crap. Made the mistake of buying one at Fry's several years ago for a buddy's E8400 build. Worst mobo I've ever bought since my first build during the Pentium II days. ECS has always been the cheap mobo, and the very idea of them coming off with a $300+ X79 is laughable. Fool me once, shame on me... Reply
popej - Friday, January 13, 2012 - linkThis could work at office PC, but i doubt if enthusiasts would buy motherboard with no expansion capability. Reply
MrTeal - Friday, January 13, 2012 - linkMaybe not, but even for most enthusiasts 16GB shows little or no benefit over 8GB. By the time the you start wanting 32GB you'll probably be wanting Haswell-E or 32GB of DDR4 anyway. Reply
Nihility - Friday, January 13, 2012 - linkI disagree.
My PC almost always uses 7.5 GB out of the available 8 GB. And I have to constantly close programs to make sure my system doesn't begin swapping.
Maybe 12 is enough, but 8 is not enough. Reply
cjl - Friday, January 13, 2012 - linkWhat on earth are you doing where that much memory is in constant use? Either you have an enormous memory leak in several programs, or you are a very atypical user.
That having been said, I would say that a SNB-E system should be built with at least 16GB (4x4GB), since 4GB RAM sticks aren't that expensive these days. A case could even be made for 32GB (4x8GB), since even 8GB sticks aren't that bad, and SNB-E is likely to be used primarily by pretty heavy users anyways. Reply
DanNeely - Friday, January 13, 2012 - linkI currently have a 7GB commit charge on my box. Biggest offenders currently are:
2,000MB Opera
520MB Firefox
188MB Outlook
170MB FF Plugin container
135MB Catalyst control center (ATI GPU app)
122MB Steam
8x104MB Einstein @ Home CPU work units
96MB Display Fusion (multi-monitor taskbar)
84MB Core Boinc Client
77MB Einstein @ Home nVidia GPU work unit
Opera currently has 65 open tabs (ranges between 50-100); and shortly before heap fragmentation brings it down (typically after a few weeks) reaches ~3.5GB commit.
Before I disabled it, one of the other E@H CPU apps took ~250MB/instance.
Add in memory use from the game of the night and I'm almost to the point of needing to stick my old 2GB Dimms back in to go from 12 to 18GB total. I am worried that 16GB won't be enough long term when I replace my I7-930 with an i7-3700 in a few months. Reply
SmartyPants - Friday, January 13, 2012 - linkI think that's pretty atypical...
Unless 'typical' has changed in the last few years and I'm just behind the times. Reply
bearxor - Monday, January 16, 2012 - linkNo, you're not behind the times. That's not what I would consider typical.
I think you could make the argument that it might be typical for a large percentage of customers in the market for a X79 board, however. Reply
popej - Sunday, January 15, 2012 - linkYes, basically you repeat "640kb ought to be enough for anybody".
The price of this motherboard is equivalent of about 50GB DDR3. Something is wrong, if the more expensive part of PC limits its capability. Reply
ExcaliburMM - Friday, January 13, 2012 - linkGreat looking board. Would love to put one of these in a white Fractal R3, black and white NZXT RB fans and sleeving to match on all the cables. Reply
dtgoodwin - Friday, January 13, 2012 - linkI'm confused. I thought Intel disabled the extra ports due to compatibility issues. Are the extra ports truly SAS? Is there any concern about their stability? If not, this board is certainly in a league of it's own with having those ports active and present. Reply
DanNeely - Friday, January 13, 2012 - linkThe current mess of jumper wires is my biggest pet hate with the current ATX spec. I've seen OEM systems with a monolithic ribbon, but presumably because the standard doesn't enforce a fixed layout, never in a retail case. ASUS's QConnector helps a bit but it's far too easy for wires to pop off while you're trying to maneuver it into place in a crowded box.
With molex connectors showing up again on sub-ultra premium boards again to boost power I assume work on an ATX refresh probably going to start soon if it hasn't already done so. Instead of just approving the keying shape for a 12 pin 12V connector I wish they'd standardize the front panel connectors layout so a single ribbon connector would be possible.
Beyond that, and I know I'm just dreaming now, but with PCI finally going away there aren't any (major?) 3.3V consumers left on the mobo, -12V is pointless without RS232, and 5V is only needed for USB. As a result the base ATX power header with 4x +3.3V, +5x5V, 1x -12V, and only 2x +12V is an increasingly poor fit for current systems.
By dropping the -12V entirely (the handful of boards that need it can synthesize it with their power hardware just like the handful of ISA(?) boards continued to make -5V after that pin was removed), and heavily reducing the number of +3.3/5V wires (to 1 and 2 respectively, or drop 3.3V entirely?) would give room to hack 8 to 12 pins (depending on how many grounds can be cut as well) resulting in either a much smaller 12-16pin connector or a new 16-20pin model with enough additional + 12V wires that mainstream systems would no longer need a separate +12V plug for power.
This would result in easier cable management for everyone, more space on the mobo to cram all the 10 zillion addon devices that make up an enthusiast board, and marginal cost savings everywhere (only a few bucks/box max but margins are paper thin for budget retail boxes).
Unfortunately with the failure of BTX there's probably zero chance the major hardware vendors will be willing to risk any breaking changes in the future. Reply
fluxtatic - Saturday, January 14, 2012 - linkTo your first comment - yeah, I'd call that atypical. I got 8GB when I upgraded, but I don't know that I've ever seen usage above 3GB (I have a separate screen that tracks it in real time, along with clock speed and temp). I haven't seen Opera go to 1GB for me, although I typically have 30 tabs or less open.
As to this - not the worst idea I've heard, but I don't see it happening soon. I got a Brazos board a while back, and it's got an ATX +12V - does a CPU with an 18W TDP really need a dedicated 12V connection? As to all the many grounds in a ATX connector, you could possibly cut as many of those as you have the + pins. I may be way off base, but I believe they are used as insulators between pins of varying voltages, similar to IDE ribbon cables. Once IDE started operating above a certain frequency, they moved to 80-wire ribbons, alternating ground and + lines for isolation. The old 40-pin cables got too noisy to be reliable.
Keep in mind that there are still quite a number of boards using RS232, etc., that fit the ATX spec. They're used in embedded systems, industrial control machinery, etc. You don't see them because they're sold in non-retail channels - if you look at Via's site, you can tell that's their bread and butter. Why else have a Mini-ITX board where a third of the rear I/O panel is eaten up by a serial port (or two)? Similarly, I about did a spit take at work when a customer said they needed floppy disks. When I asked what they could possibly be using them for, the reply was "we use them in our ATMs" This was last year...
For me, give me a reliable right-angle ATX connector at the very edge of the board and I'm good. I've only ever seen one, and one of the company engineers said those are a lot harder to do than you would think, although he didn't elaborate, as I recall. Reply
DanNeely - Saturday, January 14, 2012 - linkThe ATX-24 plug has 11 pins with positive voltages that could conceivably carry significant amounts of current (4x3.3, 5x5, 2x12) and only 8 ground pins; it's not 1:1 presumably because the odds of all 11 power lines being maxed at once was considered negligible. The fact that it's not a simple 1:1 is why I wasn't able to put a number on how many could safely be dropped. THe +12V ones probably each need a dedicated ground since major current draws on them are possible. If the amount of +5 left is scaled to the number of USB ports the grounds there would probably also need to stay 1:1.
The layout of the pins themselves wouldn't work well for suppressing RF noise/cross talk like in a ribbon cable; and there shouldn't be any high frequency signals running on the power cable that would need suppressed.
I know RS232 is still alive and well in the embedded world; but its marketshare is a tiny fraction of mainstream systems just like Via's share of x86 itself. Mobos/PCIe cards already make virtually all the voltages their chips actually use already, and the cheapness of USB-RS232 dongles means that creating a negative voltage from a positive one can't be much harder than just dropping to a lower positive voltage. As something almost everyone pays for, but noone uses it's due to be moved out of the mandatory part of the spec.
The right angle ATX connectors challenge is almost certainly due to mechanical stress from the cable on the socket due to the extremely stiff nature of the fat cable. A vertical socket is easily able to xfer the load directly to the PCB and a big heat sink puts a stronger torque on it so the mechanical strength needed is already there for free. The right angle connector would need extra attachment points to the board beyond those of the power leads going through the PCB itself; and cramped cases with the board jammed up against the drive cage would require tighter average bends on the cable increasing the amount of torque on the socket. Building a right angle connector in the cable itself would be problematic as well since it would need an opposite orientation for mass market cases where it came in from above and larger enthusiast cases where it was routed behind the mobo and then just popped up. Reply
Sabresiberian - Saturday, January 14, 2012 - linkI'm a bit confused here.
I don't understand why any mainboard would get any kind of recommendation when it clearly has problems pointed out in the review. Regardless of whether or not you want to manually overclock, a sign of problems in any one area puts the whole package in question.
Feature set does not make up for a lack of quality.
I also don't understand why saving as much as $70 puts this board in league with the Asus P9X79. Why would anyone want to build an X79 rig and try to save money when there are much less expensive options which give overall similar performance? Build on Z68 (for example) and use a CPU that costs half as much. Or less. If you want the highest level of performance that X79 offers right now for some applications, then saving $70 on the heart of your computer doesn't make much sense to me.
There are also other boards that are available that have a price similar to, or lower than, this one. Even assuming that saving $70 on the heart of your X79 rig makes sense to you, why would you choose this board over what else is available?
I'm confused.
Or, maybe not.
;) Reply
PhoenixEnigma - Sunday, January 15, 2012 - linkAgreed.
When I see an Anandtech Editor's Choice award, I expect whatever product is to be substantially above average in most, if not all, regards. They're pretty rare, and carry a good deal of weight in my eyes.
Seeing something like this be given one devalues that. Performance is middling at best, expandability is mixed, warranty is below average, and the EFI appears to be a steaming pile of crud - even clearing CMOS is faulty!
It's a cheap board (if you trust the MIR), but it seems to be in both price and quality, corners have been cut all over. Short of Ian verifying those are indeed SAS ports, I have a hard time imagining how this is "Editor's Choice" better than, say, the GA-X79-UD3 - which doesn't need a MIR to hit the same pricepoint. Reply
IanCutress - Sunday, January 15, 2012 - linkThis is only the second award I've given in twelve months over 20+ reviews - the other being the ASUS P9X79 Pro. After testing the board, I'd be happy to stick it into a system, use the one button 4.5 GHz overclock and leave it there, and still have access to 12 SATA ports (I should add ECS doesn't guarantee SAS compatibility with these, for all intents and purposes they are best left to be used as SATA), dual gigabit Ethernet, Wifi and Bluetooth. The GA-X79-UD3 you mention in comparison has 6 SATA ports, a single Ethernet port, no Wifi or Bluetooth, a comparatively worse automatic overclock system, not a full range of fan controls and perhaps questionable software.
Editor's Choice awards aren't there just for the biggest, best and brightest - otherwise we'd be putting them on every board at the highest price point that checked all the boxes. They're meant for hardware that as a reviewer, I'd happily use, and it ticks all my boxes. These may not be the same boxes as yours, sure, but a board that caters for one group of users may not suitable for another group, meaning that I have to levy my judgement over my experiences with what I'm happy with.
This is why I've given so few over the past 12 months - the ECS board has been given a Bronze award while the rebate is in place, as the price is a big factor given the comparison to other products. I've yet to give a gold award at all, because no one board I've seen has been a perfect (features, performance, price) must buy. You may disagree with my choice to give this ECS board an award, which is your right. But in my opinion, after testing the board and conversing back and forth on some of the finer points with ECS, that it deserves one at the $260 price point. Reply
kloudykat - Sunday, January 15, 2012 - linkBack in April 2009, I was building a new system.
I scanned newegg and eventually settled on a brand new "enthusiast" motherboard from ECS.
It was the ECS BLACK SERIES X58B-A, the 1366 chipset one.
I bought it because I had built a few pc's for other people using ECS boards, so I knew it would work.
Here are the other components if anyone is interested:
Intel Core i7-920 Bloomfield 2.66GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor
G.SKILL 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Triple Channel Kit
BFG Tech BFGEGTX260MC896OCE GeForce GTX 260
CORSAIR Enthusiast Series CMPSU-650TX 650W Power Supply
Pioneer DVD Burner
Bunch of hard drives, 1x 360 gb main drive, 2x 1.5TB and 1x 1TB storage drives
Once I got it all installed, I found I was unable to overclock it at all.
Now I am not an OC king or anything, but I have managed to successfully OC some systems in the past.
No matter what I attempted to do in the BIOS, manual or auto OC, it would fail to boot.
With that said, if I left it alone and kept it at the stock frequencies, it worked great. It still works great.
Heck, I am posting this on it right now.
But what rubbed me the wrong way was that ECS marketed this as an OC friendly board, when in reality, it was nothing of the sort.
I agree with Ian, the bios OC options are confusing as hell, at least on my board.
I made sure to update to the latest BIOS and that didn't help anything.
I even made it a point to contact ECS customer support for assistance.
I followed the guidelines they emailed me and it still didn't work.
When I contacted them again to inquire about replacement/money back/etc, I was told basically tough luck.
Ok, thats it. That is my 2 cents. So yeah, I agree with you Ian. It is a good board. I have used it as my
main pc for 3 almost 4 years in a row. It has done nothing but good things for me. I just hope that
you have better luck out of this model than I did out of mine. Reply
AlexIsAlex - Monday, January 16, 2012 - linkWhat would be nice, in motherboard reviews, would be a measure of the cold boot (POST) time. This is something that different bioses can be differentiated on, and UFEI offers the potential for very fast boots if manufacturers take advantage of it properly.
Would it be possible to report, for comparison, the time between the power button being pressed and the installed bootloader starting? I was thinking it might be easiest to measure this by having no OS on the boot media and measuring the time to the "please insert boot media" message, but I'm sure you can think of other ways of doing it. Reply
DanNeely - Tuesday, January 17, 2012 - linkI'd like to second this request, and that it include both normal and overclocked times. My current LGA1366 system spends almost half its boot time posting and half loading the OS from my SSD. (20s power to beep, 10s beep to appearance of OS loading screen, 20s more to login). At stock speeds the first interval is less than half as long. Reply
Lugaidster - Tuesday, January 17, 2012 - linkI wonder why boot time is not included given that it should be affected by the firmware. At least I would expect bigger differences than the results on the computation benchmarks. Reply


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Gigabyte Z77X-UP7 Review: OC Oriented Orange Overkillby Ian Cutress on 3/1/2013 10:30 AM EST
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scaramoosh - Friday, March 01, 2013 - linkWhy would you have the SLI x16s side by side? Space them out mobo manufacturers! Sick of it. Reply
IanCutress - Friday, March 01, 2013 - linkIt's not side by side. As mentioned repeatedly and several times in the review, the PCIe x16 in black is used when one GPU is installed, and the orange slots are used when more than one PCIe device is in use. With two GPUs, you use the first and third orange slots at x16.
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scaramoosh - Friday, March 01, 2013 - linkThat's as useless because it makes every other port on the board useless. I have 3 PCI-E x 1 devices and it basically means they sit right next to the cards getting hot.
They need to have the x 16 spaced out at the top and then throw all the PCI-E x1s at the bottom. Reply
IanCutress - Friday, March 01, 2013 - linkIf any of the orange are populated the black x16 is disabled. You can still use the top x16 for a single GPU and put other devices in the other PCIe slots. If you have 3 PCIe x1 devices, this board is probably not aimed at your usage scenario - it's aimed at 3x and 4x GPU usage or multi-card with additional x8 RAID cards. There are plenty of other boards that have your usage scenario covered :)
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JeBarr - Friday, March 01, 2013 - linkProblem is, if you are a gamer looking to use 3x GPU and wish to add an audio card, ethernet card and PCIe storage card...out of luck. No such product exists. There are a few boards with enough slots but most cases will rob PCIe 3.0 lanes from one or two of the GPUs Reply
Flunk - Saturday, March 02, 2013 - linkThat is because the standard ivy bridge CPU and chip set only have so many lanes. If you want more you'll need to move up to ivy bridge-e.
Besides, no one really needs 3 GPUs, they just don't make games that need that amount of GPU processing power. The market is just too small. Heck, most games are console ports that will run at max settings on a GTX 460. Reply
zenonu - Saturday, March 02, 2013 - linkIncorrect. You don't even need multiple monitors. It's not hard to max out dual 680s in SLI at 2560x1600 on modern games (Far Cry 3, Crysis 3) with complex outdoor environments. Reply
CeriseCogburn - Sunday, March 03, 2013 - linkI agree with zenonu, a Titan just tries to clear 1920X1200 single monitor, and it doesn't quite do it.
A GTX 460 will get you by, not arguing that.
A 680 or 7970 doesn't cover 1920X1080 single monitor - it's dial down time. Reply
Uber_Roy - Wednesday, March 06, 2013 - linkYou sir have obviously not played Crysis 3 lately! Im waiting for the Nvidia 800 series or AMD 8000 series to max this game out, My two 7970s a i7 3930k@4ghz and 16gb of ram does not even play this game on high setting well let alone the Ultra high setting Reply
Sabresiberian - Friday, March 01, 2013 - linkI so much agree here. Mainboard manufacturers just don't think in terms of an enthusiast that truly wants excellence on all fronts. This isn't helped by Intel, which has decided on-die graphics capabilities are more important than adding more PCI lanes, apparently. That's all good for those not interested in a separate graphics solution, but it's worthless to me.
Really, I want 3 fully functional PCIe 3 slots (x16 on all of them, loaded up) and a fourth for a RAID controller, that doesn't gimp my graphics solution, and a PCIe 1 slot for a sound card. I really don't think that's too much to ask for in today's computing enthusiast world.
Stop spending my money by adding a half-ass sound daughter card, and let me install the sound solution I want!
I've been thinking I'll replace my x58 rig with a Haswell one, but I haven't heard anything about PCI lanes - and where's Thunderbolt support? Thunderbolt could feasibly go a long way to help people like me, I think. Reply
madmilk - Friday, March 01, 2013 - linkYou're not going to find what you want in a 7-slot ATX form factor. However, dropping down your x16 GPU requirement makes possible with water cooling and a good X79 motherboard.
Moving up to Xeon opens up some more options. One is this: http://www.avadirect.com/tower-server-configurator... Real PCIe 3.0 x16 Quad-SLI, plus two more PCIe 3.0 x8 and one PCIe 2.0 x4.
Getting those last PCIe lanes is very, very expensive, and completely worthless for anything but GPU compute. Reply
JeBarr - Saturday, March 02, 2013 - linkI'm hoping for a few new motherboards with the next enthusiast platform refresh. Ideally 10 slot to make room for all the expansion cards a gamer geek could possibly use :D Reply
Samus - Friday, March 01, 2013 - linkCan you use all 5 pcie x16 slots simultaneously with single-slot GPU's, obviously not in SLI? Reply
Samus - Friday, March 01, 2013 - linkYou answered my question above, thanks! Reply
sherlockwing - Friday, March 01, 2013 - linkYou said:
If Gigabyte was going for more sales, from my perspective, if some of the IR3550s were removed and the system reduced to just over $300, it might get more takers
What Gigabyte does have on the market is the http://detonator.dynamitedata.com/cgi-bin/redirect...">UP5-TH for about $250.
It have the exact same PWM chip in the VRM as the UP7 (8 phase IR3563), only that UP7 runs it through a quadrupler for 32 VRM phase while UP5 don't use any so it runs only 8 IR3550 but 8*60= 480A is already overkill for Ivy Bridge.
The only other thing UP5-TH misses other than VRM phase overkill is the PLX chip, so it can't run 4 way SLI/CLX, and can only run 3 way at 8X/4X/4X. But for people running 2 cards or less it is more than enough.
UP7 is a halo product/ultra flagship just like the GTX Titan, UP-5TH is the mainstream Flagship. Reply
IanCutress - Friday, March 01, 2013 - linkYup, we reviewed the UP4 TH: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6296/
Though that goes along their Thunderbolt line. The Thunderbolt controller isn't cheap. But as mentioned the comparison is the G1.Sniper 3 with the PLX, or the Z77X-UD5H without the PLX (or Thunderbolt).
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mayankleoboy1 - Friday, March 01, 2013 - linkY U no use WinRAR 4.2 ?
Its much better multithreaded. Reply
IanCutress - Friday, March 01, 2013 - linkTo maintain consistency with the last 18 months of benchmark results ;) Should probably do an update for Haswell later this year though.
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Kevin G - Friday, March 01, 2013 - linkFor a user putting down $400 for a motherboard, especially one aimed at overclocking and high performance, why not go the LGA 2011 route and X79? In this price range, LGA-1155 and Z77 just don't seem to be premium products in comparison. Reply
baberpervez - Friday, March 01, 2013 - linkWhy in the world is Gigabyte focusing on the LG1366 market? With all new cpus being LG1155 or 2011, seems counterproductive to produce a unit for an older motherboard kind. Even with my I7 960 I don' tknow why anyone would want to upgrade to this product. With triple -SLI (570s) a fourth slot is useless since the cards are only 3 way capable, but definitely worth experiementing on for 480's/580s/680s.
The price is what it is, very hefty...and only serious overclockers would want to purchase this.
If Nvidia made the 570 quad sli than I would consider getting this, but there's no chance of me replacing three cards to go into a higher configuration anytime soon.
This board would have done very well a few years ago...
Just not convinced LG1366 was a good idea. Reply
IanCutress - Friday, March 01, 2013 - linkThis is an 1155 product, as shown by the fact that it uses the Z77 chipset and I use the i7-3770K to test it. The original OC board was 1366. Reply
sherlockwing - Friday, March 01, 2013 - linkWhat are you smoking, this board is called Z77X-UP7, it is a LGA1155 Z77 board. Where did you get LGA1366 from? Reply
dawp - Friday, March 01, 2013 - linkprobably from the X58A-OC reference in the article. Reply
Samus - Friday, March 01, 2013 - linkDon't hate. Reply
xdunpealx - Friday, March 01, 2013 - link580s? who no 660 or 660ti or even 670s? Reply
sna2 - Friday, March 01, 2013 - linkHi ,
we all know this PLX is not real .. the CPU itself supports fixed number of PCIe lanes ... the PLX switches between them thats all ..
If you want to spend that amount of money on a motherboard , then just get an LGA 2011 CPU with C606 or X79 chipset ..
what is the point of all this ? any one who wants 3 or 4 ways SLI , can pay for the LGA 2011 CPU , actually this motherboard is more expensive than the X79 ones.
ANAND , we need you to test PLX VS no PLX performance !
THANKS ! Reply
IanCutress - Sunday, March 03, 2013 - linkHi sna2,
If you would direct your attention to:
(a) the GPU results page where I showcase PLX vs. no PLX performance on a single GPU and
(b) my initial discussion on the PLX chip (http://www.anandtech.com/show/6170) where we discuss what the advantages and disadvantages to how the PLX chip actually works.
Yes overall the lanes are limited to 16 upstream and downstream to the GPU, but when dealing with multi-GPU configurations, most data transfer between GPUs (important for gaming and compute) via the PLX, not via the CPU, making the increased lane count between the GPUs more important than the upstream/downstream via the CPU.
Without the PLX, manufacturers are limited to x8/x4/x4 GPU setups with Ivy Bridge CPUs, where compute platforms, some gaming setups, or even a mix with RAID cards and sound cards need the lane allocation to work the way the user wants.
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CNP-Keythai - Saturday, March 02, 2013 - linkI think the board looks cool, price is good too. Would recommend it. Reply
kmmatney - Saturday, March 02, 2013 - linkI'm going to buy it just for use around Halloween. Reply
Beenthere - Saturday, March 02, 2013 - linkThe "orange" in addition to making this mobo look like a Halloween joke... increase sales to the technically challenged. When you hear people talk about how they like the color of the hardware box, RAM, PSU, mobo, etc. it's because they have missed the plot all together. Reply
Beenthere - Saturday, March 02, 2013 - linkDon't be concerned about the $400 entry fee to the Pumpkin fanbois club, as there are quite a few kids able to spend Mommy's money on impractical toys. Asus has proved that there are many PC enthusiast suckers born every minute so Gigabyte might as well cash in on the technically dumbness, too. Reply
CeriseCogburn - Sunday, March 03, 2013 - linkWith the amount of technically challenged I see here at Anand that proclaim otherwise I don't believe it has anything to do with hype for pretty colors or expensive items.
Most people don't have a clue, a few have a bit, and those that do keep learning, it doesn't relate to pocketbook depth or how money is "foolishly spent", or how jealous the poorboy crybabies are when others buy the best of the best, as your personal life experience should tell you.
Without extravagant waste widespread the world would still be a 3rd world dirtbag hole, everywhere.
Pretty sick of the new crybaby constant whines - if the group of whackos isn't squealing penny pinch bang for the buck, they're whining about top end items.
I think we need a new "computer blog law" or two in order to outline the pervasive complaint themes that have become popular. Reply
Uber_Roy - Wednesday, March 06, 2013 - linkLoL give this man a prize funnest shit i seen in a while :P Reply
ehume - Saturday, March 02, 2013 - linkAnd now we seem to be able to survey the field. So, looking down from this height, what would you recommend for someone who wants to get the highest overclock from a 3770k, using the lowest Voltage (thus producing the lowest temps) and doesn't do any gaming?
Sniper boards seem unnecessarily fancy, with too much emphasis on GPU's. The ASRock Z77 Extreme6 or Extreme4 seem OK, but maybe not great. Somewhere between those ends is a sweet middle spot for a simple overclocker.
Given a year of Ivy Bridge, what would you recommend? Reply
C.C. - Saturday, March 02, 2013 - linkThe ASROCK Extreme4 would work perfectly for your needs! I have done several builds using the Extreme 4 and I 3770Ks. They are simply the best bang for the buck motherboard. You get all the features you need, at an awesome price. I am currently running an i7 3770K with the IHS removed (aka de-lidded) @ 4.8Ghz @ 1.272V..I have run a 48hr Prime95 stress test, and with watercooling and CL Liquid Ultra TIM, max core temps are 45,43,53,and 44C. The CL ultra is amazing, it doubled my thermal gains from de-lidding. I was using IC Diamond, and max temps were 74,73,85,and 75C. Reply
CeriseCogburn - Sunday, March 03, 2013 - linkI agree they have been pushing out some great deals for some time, although there are other brands that do well at good prices too.
(I don't quibble about $5, $10, $20, $30, or $50 bucks) Reply
IanCutress - Sunday, March 03, 2013 - linkI would never suggest aiming for the highest overclock from a CPU to run in a 24/7 machine. Find the best, then dial it back a few notches so you hit a sweet spot in terms of performance/power usage/temperatures.
Ivy Bridge CPUs can vary so much, where one CPU off the shelf could take 0.1 volts less than another to hit the same clocks. For a 24/7 system, I would rather go with a motherboard that makes it easy to overclock to a nice speed rather than one that necessarily does the best. And what is the best motherboard? It's hard to tell - every CPU curve is different - is the best board one that could take a mediocre processor to new heights, or one that has the ultimate capacity to take the most expensive and best CPUs to the top in terms of performance?
Then it all comes down to price. The ASRock Z77 OC Formula, ASUS P8Z77-V Pro and GIgabyte Z77X-UD5H are all around the $210 (+/- $30) mark that will happily take a good Ivy Bridge processor to 4.8 GHz. I still have the ASUS Maximus V Formula and Gene to review shortly, as well as the G1.Sniper M3. Reply
CeriseCogburn - Sunday, March 03, 2013 - linkLOL, good luck at the OC'ing tunaman. Reply
stren - Tuesday, March 05, 2013 - linkIf you're repeating the gaming benchmarks then let's stress the PLX chip next time - 4xCF won't do that:
- Use Nvidia cards because they use a ton more pci-e bw than the amd cards
- Preferably 3/4xTitans or 4x 680s as they have the most potential to be pci-e limited
- Run at super high resolutions. E.g. 3x1080p minimum, preferably 3x1440p.
This is where vega saw pcie bw issues really show up. A good comparison would be versus the R4E and the Asrock X11. I.E. native 8x8x8x8x vs PLX 8x8x8x8x vs 2xPLX 16x16x16x16x However as both those boards are x79 though I would suggest just maxing out the cpu clock rather than equalizing it as this is more fair and representative of what the high end users would do. Reply
iamkyle - Thursday, March 07, 2013 - linkThere is one thing I loved about the previous iteration of this board being the X58A-OC - the minimalist I/O panel. Although it didn't go far enough in my opinion, it was a delight to behold.
The whole bit about the enthusiast community is customization - the ability to change out whatever setups they want in regards to video, ram, cooling, you name it. But yet the manufacturers still continue to force choices in sub-par audio codecs and NIC choices.
The ideal enthusiast board should be devoid of of any excess I/O outside of USB ports. I should be able to put in my audiophile-grade sound card, enterprise-class NIC, what have you without the extras being thrown in. That is true choice. Reply
Drasca - Saturday, May 04, 2013 - linkI am really getting annoyed at the insufficient documentation on PCI-E slot configurations being enabled/disabled. It makes testing a lot more difficult. Just tried orange slots 1 and 2, thinking they'd work. Nope. Tried a single card in slot 2 orange. Nope. It is likely disabled on default. There is no mention of this in the very short multi language manual Gigabyte provides. I've tried the Asus Maximus V Extreme a few weeks ago, and while I didn't know about it-- at least the thing provided a configuration card and table documented in the depths of its manual. No such documentation is provided by Gigabyte.
Time to try population all slots at once. Reply


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SUNDAYS THROUGH OCT. 27 — The Hamel Lions Flea Market will be open on Sundays through Oct. 27 in the parking lot of the Medina Entertainment Center, 500 Hwy. 55, Medina. Bargain hunters can visit the market from 6 a.m. to noon. The Flea Market will be closed on May 12 and 19 and Aug. 11. Vendors will offer antiques, collectables, bargains, crafts, produce, plants, fall farmers market, and one of a kinds. Admission and parking are free. Vendor space costs $20 per spot. No reservations required. Questions? Call Tom Fox, 612-910-9895.
Delano Farmers Market
WEDNESDAYS THROUGH OCT. — The Delano Farmers Market is open Wednesdays through October from 2 to 6 p.m. in the parking lot of Flippin' Bills', located on the corner of Highway 12 and County Line Road in Delano. Shoppers will find freshly baked bread, local honey, maple syrup, pickles, farm fresh eggs, seasonal fruits and more when in season. A non-profit booth is available. New vendors/growers are invited to apply for space by contacting Deb Hoen, market manager, 763-238-2702.
Delano Community Market
THROUGH SEPT. 21 — The Delano Community Market is open 9 a.m. to noon, every Saturday from May 18 to Sept. 21 along River Street in downtown Delano. Visitors will find local food, artists, crafts, children's activities, music and more. Visit the website at delanocommunitymarket.com for information on special weekly events, chef demonstrations, Farmer of the Week and applying for vendor space. Anyone who is a gardener, farmer, painter, sculptor, jewelry maker, crafter, or community organization is invited to apply for a booth. On Aug, 3 the community booth will feature St. Peter's School. For information, contact Diane Przymus at 763-331-1449 or [email protected] The Community Market is a collaboration between the Delano Food Council and the Delano Lions Club.
AUG. 1 — The Rockford chapter of TOPS (Take Off Pounds Sensibly) meets at the Riverside Park building every Thursday evening with weigh-in starting at 5:30 and meeting from 7 to 8. For more information, call Geneva at 763-477-6584.
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Battle of the Books
AUG. 1 — Children ages eight to 12 are invited to join the Battle of the Books at the Delano Public Library, 160 Railroad Ave. E., from 1:30 to 2:30 p.m. Thursday, Aug. 1. Participants have to read six library books for this fast-paced competition that includes prizes and treats. Pick up the list of titles and register at the library. Attendance limit is 12.
For information contact the library at 763-972-3467.
Indoor/Outdoor Rockford Occasional Sales
AUG. 1 & 3 — The first Thursday and Saturday of the month (through Oct. 5) a cooperative of vendors will be selling handcrafted items, antiques, plants and more from 9 a.m. to 3 p.m. at the Rockford Mall (west end of Rockford on the north side of Highway 55), rain or shine. Vendors are welcome and booths are free. Mark your calendars for these sales dates: Aug. 1 and 3, Sept. 5 and 7, Oct. 3 and 5. For additional information, or to sign up, contact Wanda or Annette at [email protected]
Schaust-Pogreba reunion
AUG. 4 — A Schaust-Pogreba family reunion is Sunday, Aug. 4, at noon at Delano City Park. For more information, call Arlene Litfin, 763-972-2855.
Franklin Town Board
AUG. 5 — The Franklin Town Board will meet at 7 p.m. Monday, Aug. 5, at Franklin Town Hall, 8735 County Road 16 S.E. For agenda information, call town clerk Denise Olson, 763-972-3741.
Pint Size Polkas
AUG. 6 — Polka master Mike Schneider will perform at the Delano Public Library, 160 Railroad Ave. E. from 1 to 1:45 p.m. Tuesday, Aug. 6. Adults, teens and especially children will enjoy his fast-paced musical performance related to the Summer Reading Program theme "Dig Into Reading." This program is funded in part with money from Minnesota's Arts and Cultural Heritage Fund.
Delano City Council
AUG. 6 — The Delano City Council will meet at 7 p.m. Tuesday, Aug. 6, at Delano City Hall, located on Bridge Avenue at Second Street. For agenda information, visit the city website at delano.mn.us.
Greenfield City Council
AUG. 6 — The Greenfield City Council will meet Wednesday, Aug. 7, at 7 p.m. at 6390 Town Hall Drive.
60 Plus and Healthy Clinics
AUG. 6 — Wright County Public Health will offer a 60 Plus and Healthy Clinic from 9:30 to 11:30 a.m. Tuesday, Aug. 6, at Rockford Walnut Place Apartments, 8830 Walnut Place, Rockford. Public Health staff will trim toenails for seniors who have a health condition such as diabetes or are unable to trim toenails themselves. Staff will check blood pressures if needed and as time allows. Cost for foot care services is $15. Those who are unable to pay will not be turned away from the clinic. For more information, ask clinic staff or call Wright County Public Health at 1-800-362-3667 or 763-682-7456.
Going Undercover
AUG. 7 — Children and teens ages nine to 14 are invited to a Delano Public Library program titled "Going Undercover" Wednesday, Aug. 7. Three consecutive sessions are offered: 1:30 to 2:30 p.m., 2:30 to 3:30 p.m., and 3:30 to 4:30 p.m., with 10 participants per session. Children will learn about the undercover world of famous detectives and secret agents such as Sherlock Holmes, Miss Marple, Nancy Drew and the Hardy Boys. They'll make their own invisible ink, create a disguise, and enjoy other fun activities. Registration is required. For information contact the library at 763-972-3467.
Medina City Council
AUG. 7 — The Medina City Council will meet Wednesday, Aug. 7, at 7 p.m. at Medina City Hall, 2052 County Road 24. For agenda information, call 473-4643.
Polkas You Can Dig
AUG. 7 — Accordionist and polka master Mike Schneider will bring his fast-paced program to the Rockford Public Library Wednesday, Aug. 7, beginning at 10:30 a.m. His concert is adapted to entertain school age children and built around the theme of people who dig. The attendance limit is 50 and preregistration is required. For more information, contact the Rockford Public Library at 477-4216.
12 West Toastmasters
AUG. 7 — The 12 West Toastmasters Club meets the first and third Wednesdays of the month at 11:45 a.m. at the Pizza Ranch, located on Highway 12 in the Delano Crossings retail center.
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AUG. 8 — The Rockford-Greenfield Area Chamber of Commerce will host a morning gathering Thursday, Aug. 8, at 7:30 a.m. at BankWest (5921 Main St.). This meeting is free to members and guests and will last one hour. RSVP to [email protected]
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AUG. 12 — The Rockford Seniors meet the second Monday of each month at different locations. Attend and find out more information about activities. For information on what's planned and future locations, call Bonnie Pool at 763-477-4468.
Rockford City Council
AUG. 13 — The Rockford City Council meets Tuesday, Aug. 13, at 7 p.m. at Rockford City Hall, 6031 Main St. more information, call 477-6565.
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AUG. 13 — The Independence City Council will meet at 7:30 p.m. Tuesday, Aug. 13, at Independence City Hall, 1920 County Road 90. For agenda information call City Hall, 763-479-0527 or visit the city website at independence.govoffice.com.
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AUG. 13 — The Loretto City Council will meet at 7 p.m. Tuesday, Aug. 13, at Loretto City Hall, 279 Medina St. N., Suite 260. For agenda information, call 763-479-4305.
Delano Concert in the Park
AUG. 14 — The Delano Concert in the Park series will bring 73 Paces, a rock band, to the gazebo at Delano Central Park at 6:30 p.m. Wednesday, Aug. 14. Audience members are invited to bring food, lawn chairs and blankets to the park for the free concert, sponsored by Delano Community Education and the General Federated Women's Club of Delano. In the event of rain, the concert will be moved to the Delano Middle School Auditorium.
Library's Dog Day Afternoons
AUG. 15 — Cuddle up and read with Annie, the golden retriever, between 3:30 and 5:30 p.m. Thursday, Aug. 15, at the Delano Public Library, 160 Railroad Ave. E. Annie is a certified Reading Education Assistance Dog. Sign ups are on the same day for 15 minutes of one on one reading time. The library will provide books of all reading levels. Color or do puzzles while you wait. Annie will be on hand the third Thursday of each month. Future dates are Sept. 19, Oct. 17 and Nov. 21. For information, call the library at 763-972-3467.
Country Daze
AUG. 16 TO 17 — The 10th annual Corcoran Country Daze is Friday and Saturday, Aug. 16 and 17, featuring free family fun, free live music, softball, classic car show, craft show, food and beer. Tim Mahoney Band plays Friday, Aug. 16, at 8:30 p.m. with opening act Lakeside Houdinis at 7:30 p.m. Hell Country Truckers plays Saturday, Aug. 17. Concerts are free with non-perishable food donation of cash donation for the food shelf. Concerts are from 8 p.m. to midnight. The Hope Community Church first annual 5K run is Saturday at 8:30 a.m., register at www.hope-church.info. Free family day is Saturday, from 11 a.m. to 5 p.m., featuring Euro bungee jumper, face painting/crazy hair, rock climbing wall, pony rides, build a birdhouse, kid's games, inflatable toddler zone, North Air Car helicopter, police/fire/rescue exhibits, benefit volleyball tournament and NFL punt, pass and kick contest. Fireworks Saturday night honor American's veterans. Rain or shine at Corcoran ball fields, 20300 County Rd. 50.


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Kita La Tos Side Effects
Generic Name: dextromethorphan / guaifenesin
Note: This page contains information about the side effects of dextromethorphan / guaifenesin. Some of the dosage forms included on this document may not apply to the brand name Kita La Tos.
For the Consumer
Applies to dextromethorphan / guaifenesin: capsules, elixir, extended-release liquid, extended-release tablets, granule packets, liquid, solution, suspension, sustained-release tablets, syrup, tablets
Check with your doctor if any of these most COMMON side effects persist or become bothersome:
Seek medical attention right away if any of these SEVERE side effects occur while taking dextromethorphan / guaifenesin:
Dizziness; drowsiness; stomach upset.
Severe allergic reactions (rash; hives; itching; difficulty breathing; tightness in the chest; swelling of the mouth, face, lips, or tongue).
For Healthcare Professionals
Applies to dextromethorphan / guaifenesin: oral capsule, oral capsule extended release, oral elixir, oral granule, oral liquid, oral suspension extended release, oral tablet, oral tablet extended release
Nervous system
Nervous system side effects of dextromethorphan have included drowsiness and dizziness. Adverse effects, which have occurred at higher doses, include excitation, mental confusion, and opioid like respiratory depression. In some cases of abuse, patients have experienced euphoria, hyperactivity, mania, and auditory and visual hallucinations.[Ref]
Gastrointestinal side effects have included nausea, vomiting and constipation.[Ref]
Dermatologic side effects have included pruritus and rash.[Ref]
Hypersensitivity side effects of dextromethorphan have included fixed-drug eruptions.[Ref]
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6. Bostwick JM "Dextromethorphan-induced manic symptoms in a bipolar patient on lithium." Psychosomatics 37 (1996): 571-2
7. Murray S, Brewerton T "Abuse of over-the-counter dextromethorphan by teenagers." South Med J 86 (1993): 1151-3
8. Polles A, Griffith JL "Dextromethorphan-induced mania." Psychosomatics 37 (1996): 71-4
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Such great heights: Over the hill and still climbing
This year is a kind of a big deal for community based sexual violence programs. Several of the nation's oldest centers are celebrating their 40th Anniversaries. This includes WOAR in Philadelphia, PAAR in Pittsburgh, and the DC Rape Crisis Center, among many other notable organizations. I read a commentary yesterday on the milestones that WOAR specifically can celebrate after 40 hard years of courageous work. Before the advent of these invaluable community organizations, women were running operations out of their kitchens, there were no laws or protections for many victims, and in many spaces the word "rape" would never have been uttered.
At times, I get frustrated about how far we still have to go. I get angry when advocates have to make polite phone calls to legislators or reporters about how to speak about sexual violence in a sensitive and appropriate way. Political commentary about terms like "legitimate rape" (for goodness sake!) peppered blogs, screens, and radio reports leading up to November's elections. There are days when it seems like every inch forward means you get knocked two back! You may share some of these same exasperated sentiments.
Despite this, I remind myself that there is a lot to be proud of in these 40+ years of activism. When I first started working at a community sexual assault program, I remember sitting spellbound in a coworker's office. She'd been in the work for decades and chronicled some of the major milestones along the way. She talked about daring women who made speeches on the street about rape, bringing the conversation out of kitchens and into the public spotlight. She burned with honor and pride at knowing women who carried toothbrushes with them at all times in case they went to jail for maintaining confidentiality in the face of a subpoena. More than anything, she talked about the fire for change that sparked this movement and keeps it fueled, hopefully for decades to come.
I love this fire, and this history. Anytime that a seasoned advocate takes the time to reflect and share stories with me, I try hard to stop and value the living history that breathes life into the work I do today. Women's work throughout history has commonly been rewritten by those with more social power and privilege. It is so important that we take this history back; that we write and speak and create our own narratives as a movement. This preserves our past. This honors our future. This helps us to learn from challenges and obstacles so that we may overcome in the present.
If you've been in the work for a while, take a breather and share a story with someone who's getting started. Inspire others with the fire that brought you here! At the same time, try not to let challenges you've faced keep you from supporting new efforts. I have many experiences of feeling shut down or out by supervisors or older advocates who'd seen an idea fail the first time it was tried. This could be the time that it works!
If you're new to the work, ask questions. Find out about the work and the milestones that your coworkers have celebrated. Find ways to record and honor the amazing work that's happened so far. Use this information to plan your next big idea!
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Bouncing back essential after tough UF defeats
Published: Saturday, September 14, 2013 at 6:01 a.m.
Last Modified: Friday, September 13, 2013 at 9:24 p.m.
Certainly, Florida's 21-16 loss at Miami was a tough loss to take for the Gator Nation. Was it one of the toughest ever for the Gators?
Time will tell. The wound is too fresh to know how damaging it will be. Years from now, we'll have a better feel for where it ranks among difficult losses for Florida fans.
The key is how Florida will bounce back. There's an old coaching cliche that you can't let one loss become two. The open week helps and since it is an open week, we decided to look back at the 10 toughest losses for UF fans during the regular season and how the Gators recovered in their next game.
1. 1980: Georgia 26, Florida 21
What happened: Buck Belue and Lindsay Scott hooked up on a 93-yard touchdown pass with just over a minute to play to give Georgia the win.
Why it stung: The game was over. Florida had pulled off a major upset before the play happened. And Georgia went on to win the national title.
How UF recovered: The Gators had a bit of a hangover the following week in Lexington, but pulled out a 17-15 win on Brian Clark's late field goal.
2. 2001: Tennessee 34, Florida 32
What happened: In what would turn out to be the last game Steve Spurrier would coach at The Swamp as a Gator, the Vols used a big day from Travis Stephens and a thwarted UF 2-point attempt to win.
Why it stung: Everything was on the line. The East, the national title, the Heisman. And it has always stuck with Gator fans that the game was postponed by 9/11.
How UF recovered: Florida went to the Orange Bowl and clobbered ACC champion Maryland 56-23 despite Rex Grossman being suspended to start the game.
3. 1996: FSU 24, Florida 21
What happened: The Seminoles used a stellar defense to shut down the Fun 'N' Gun and come away with a victory that would send them to the Sugar Bowl.
Why it stung: It wasn't just that so much was on the line in this game. It was the late hits on Danny Wuerffel that really hit home with Florida fans.
How UF recovered: Even though Steve Spurrier was distracted by the late hits from the previous game, he summoned the troops and won the SEC Championship Game against Alabama.
4. 2009: Alabama 32, Florida 13
What happened: The Tide spent a year getting ready for the Gators and contained Tim Tebow and the unbeaten Gators in the SEC Championship Game.
Why it stung: Florida was going for three national titles in four years and was unbeaten going into the game. And Alabama fans rubbed it in by cheering when the video screen showed Tebow sobbing.
How UF recovered: Well, first Urban Meyer had to go to the hospital. Then he resigned. Then he came back. Then Florida pounded unbeaten Cincinnati in the Sugar Bowl.
5. 1966: Georgia 27, Florida 10
What happened: The Bulldogs pressured Steve Spurrier into mistakes and throttled the Gators to put an end to their unbeaten season.
Why it stung: The Gators were coming off the emotional win against Auburn when Spurrier kicked a 40-yard field goal and it appeared they were destined to win their first SEC title.
How UF recovered: The following week, the Gators handled Tulane 31-10 in Gainesville. Spurrier still won the Heisman.
6. 1994: Auburn 36, Florida 33
What happened: The Tigers won the game late when Frankie Sanders caught a touchdown pass in the south end zone of The Swamp.
Why it stung: Auburn had won the year before. Florida was ranked No. 1. It was another loss to a Bowden. It wasn't a good day in Gainesville.
How UF recovered: The Gators got a week off before thrashing Georgia 52-14 in the rain in Gainesville.
7. 1985: Georgia 24, Florida 3
What happened: The Bulldogs used a powerful running attack and a stifling defense to handle the Gators in Jacksonville.
Why it stung: Florida had ascended to No. 1 for the first time ever just a few days before this game. And a lot of people thought the win the year before was a sign that the rivalry was about to turn.
How UF recovered: Florida dropped to 11th in the Associated Press poll but was able to edge Kentucky in Gainesville 15-13.
8. 1969: Auburn 38, Florida 12
What happened: John Reaves set a record that probably will never be broken by throwing nine interceptions in the loss on the Plains.
Why it stung: The Super Sophs were unbeaten and it looked like this would be the year the Gators won the SEC.
How UF recovered: Not very well. The offense struggled again against Georgia and a late botched field goal attempt by Florida left the game in a 13-13 tie.
9. 1976: Georgia 41, Florida 27
What happened: Florida jumped out to a big lead, but Georgia was able to rally to get the win in Jacksonville.
Why it stung: Fourth-and-Dumb. Certainly, this was a devastating loss for the Gators as far as the SEC went but going for it on fourth-and-1 from their own 29 will never be forgotten.
How UF recovered: Florida still had a chance to tie for the SEC title, but this was a perfect example of one loss becoming two as they lost at Kentucky 28-9
10. 1964: FSU 16, Florida 7
What happened: The Seminoles used a 55-yard touchdown catch by Fred Biletnikoff and three Les Murdock field goals to beat No. 14 Florida.
Why it stung: FSU had never beaten Florida. Gator players were brash enough to wear "Never, FSU, Never" on their helmets during practice. The win propelled FSU to its first top 10 ranking.
How UF recovered: Florida was able to beat Miami 12-10 in Gainesville. Also, the Gators stunned LSU in Baton Rouge a week later in a game that had been postponed by a hurricane.
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