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NVIDIA's GeForce GTX 580: The SLI Updateby Ryan Smith on 11/10/2010 10:00 AM EST
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TonyB - Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - linkBut can it play Crysis? Reply
Ryan Smith - Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - linkYes, and with full screen supersample anti-aliasing! ;-) Reply
ImSpartacus - Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - link*Sigh*
Ryan, what did I tell you about feeding the BCIPC trolls?
This is why we can't have nice things.
But on a more serious note, nice update. I love reading AT's articles! .)
By the way, was there a reason the original article was posted at exactly 9:00 and the SLI update was posted at 10:00? I looked at a few other articles by you and others and most were not posted exactly on the hour. Just curious, thanks! .) Reply
Ryan Smith - Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - linkIt's nothing in particular. When I put an article stub in the system it gives the article the time the stub was created, which means when I publish it the system calls it several hours old when it's not. So I rewrite the article's time to match up with the current time or something close to it.
For the GTX 580 article the time listed on it is when the NDA expired and it went up, while for this article it went up a few minutes after the hour so I just put it down on the hour. I could have published this article at any time. Reply
wavetrex - Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - linkYea, it f***ing finally can !
Minimum frames 50 in full res+AA. Amazing! Reply
Oxford Guy - Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - linkCheck out the minimum frame rates in Unigine Heaven at anything lower than 2K res. Worse than 480, even dramatically. Reply
Oxford Guy - Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - linklinks:
http://techgage.com/reviews/nvidia/geforce_gtx_580... Reply
wtfbbqlol - Thursday, November 11, 2010 - linkWell you posted this in the original GTX580 review as well. Thought I'd reply once again here.
The GTX480 minimum framerates, as high as they are at the lower resolutions, are likely a measurement error or anomaly. One only needs to look at the GTX470 to compare. There is not a good reason that the GTX480 can outpace the GTX470 by 100% at 1680x1050. Reply
Oxford Guy - Thursday, November 11, 2010 - linkIf you notice, one of the minimum frame rate results posted on this site shows the 480 beating the 580. So much for anomalies.
I'd like to see this examined. Anandtech can easily post minimum frame rates for Unigine and others and answer the question... Reply
wtfbbqlol - Thursday, November 11, 2010 - link"If you notice, one of the minimum frame rate results posted on this site shows the 480 beating the 580. So much for anomalies."
Well that's yet another reason I think the 480's minimum framerate at 1680x1050 is a bit suspect. The GTX480 can't possibly be faster than the GTX470 AND the GTX580 by such a large amount, right?
But I do agree that it would be good to get more than one source of data for this. Reply
Oxford Guy - Friday, November 12, 2010 - linkThere is already more than once source.
Anandtech's article shows the 480 beating the 580 in a minimum frame rate bench. I believe the game is Crysis, but I'm not sure.
So, coupled with the review I posted from techgage -- there are already multiple sources.
We need to see Anandtech show minimum frame rates for Unigine. Reply
wtfbbqlol - Saturday, November 13, 2010 - linkHmm, don't see it. I scanned the Anandtech GTX580 review for it but couldn't find it.
BTW I'm just getting a slight sense that you are more than a little worried about this... Reply
Oxford Guy - Saturday, November 13, 2010 - linkAnandtech only posted minimum frame rates for Crysis. In those posts, though, we see that the 480 SLI beat the 580 SLI at 1920 x 1200.
That is part of the pattern shown more obviously by the Unigine benchmark results I posted.
Anandtech needs to post minimum frame rates for Unigine at least to resolve this issue.
As for me being "worried"... I fail to see your point. If you don't think the 480 crushing the 580 in Unigine at lower than 2K res is worth investigating, that's your point of view. Reply
B3an - Saturday, November 13, 2010 - linkIt's less than a 2 FPS difference... who cares?
The 6870 and 5850 both beat the 5870 in that chart, which is also faster. Things like this are not that rare. It's nothing. Probably drivers. Reply
wtfbbqlol - Saturday, November 13, 2010 - linkOk I see you were referring to the SLI results. I looked in the single-GPU review.
Anyway, 2fps out of 55fps is kinda within a margin of error. And even in that Crysis minimum framerate graph, the single GPU GTX580 is faster than the single GPU GTX480. It looks like all the dual-GPU cards are started to get bottlenecked by the CPU/non-GPU parts of the system which is why the results are so clumped together.
As for the Techgage results I am more than a little skeptical. As explained before there is no reason why a GTX480 can beat a GTX470 twofold, let alone GTX580. That super high minimum framerate may very well be a bug. It's the only video card in Techgage's graph that's far away faster than anything else. Doesn't make sense at all.
And I believe you are doing a disservice by being so fixated on this minimum framerate issue without applying basic statistical analysis to the problem. Reply
DigitalFreak - Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - linkOMG ROFLMAO! You posted the same thing in the original 580 review thread and it's still funny as hell! :-/
Retard Reply
Oxford Guy - Friday, November 12, 2010 - linkDo you want to post links to the minimum frame rate Unigine Heaven tests you've done?
You, know... something productive?
No. Then move along. Reply
jewie27 - Tuesday, April 03, 2012 - linkWrong question. Can it play Battlefield 3 in 3D Vision Surround? Reply
piroroadkill - Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - linkNo 5970 CF? Reply
tech6 - Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - linkIt must be a conspiracy! ;-) Reply
Ryan Smith - Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - linkActually I'd like to. However I only have one 5970. Reply
chillmelt - Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - linkYeah, it always bothers me that 5970 crossfired is never included in benchmarks. It's not like it's impossible to crossfire it to even a 5870 just for the sake of result. Reply
the_elvino - Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - linkWhy do you only have one 5970?
I only read the reviews here for entertainment purposes. I enjoy seeing how the reviewers struggle in their reviews to manage the balance between favoring Nvidia over AMD without showing their bias blatantly for everyone to see. However, they seem to be less and less successful at it...
You have managed to find two GTX 590s pretty much at launch date but couldn't get hold of a second 5970 which was released a year ago? Really? Well, on the other hand it's understandable since Anand doesn't take any money from any company that it might just be over their budget, remember, this is a high-end part! Reply
Minion4Hire - Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - linkAnd do you remember that huge article from a while back showing the very poor scalability of mutli-GPU solutions when you get into three- and four-way GPU setups? I'm sure dual 5970s are not included because the performance would be severely unimpressive (not to mention all the screen tearing and the like) for the money you're throwing at it. Reply
the_elvino - Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - linkIn an effort to avoid hurting AMD's feelings because the 5970 Crossfire (so you claim) doesn't scale well, it's not included?
No, Ryan states he wanted to include it but doesn't have one, can't you read?
Anyway, 5970 Crossfire seems to be doing fine:
Far Cry 2, 2650x1600:
5970: 54 fps
5970 Crossfire: 98 fps
That's an increase of 81%, so doesn't seem to be as severely unimpressive as you think.
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5970-revie... Reply
tphillips63 - Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - linkThat has NOTHING to do witht the fact that they did not run HD 5970 CrossfireX, they "only" have one.
I think AT needs to get another ASAP and test it too and stop ignoring AMD's top of the line soultion. Reply
strikeback03 - Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - linkI'm going to assume this post is in jest and you are not that much of a tool. Reply
IceDread - Thursday, November 11, 2010 - linkYeah it's really annoying that hd 5970 x2 is not in the tests. After all, it's still after a whole year out there and it's also still the greatest gaming card. Reply
Hemi345 - Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - linkCom'on Ryan... you couldn't have submitted a request to any of AMD's AIB partners for a second 5970 loaner and held off publishing the SLI results for a few days if needed??
Fair and balanced, my ass. Reply
Servando Silva - Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - linkWould you include GTX 460 SLI results? I think many people is still considering that option. Since it beats GTX 480, It should perform similar to a GTX 580?
Thanks for the detailed review Ryan. Reply
slick121 - Thursday, November 11, 2010 - linkWow so true, this is a slap in the face, off to other sites for a more unbiased review. Reply
Gonemad - Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - link...blow a $1100 hole in your pocket? Yes it can!
Can it make you consider purchasing a 1200W power supply as something not THAT preposterous? Yes it can! (well, the 480 pair already did, so...)
Considering a caseless or vapor mod case also not that insane? That too!
I guess waiting until this card reaches the price/performance charts will take a while. On the other hand as far as performance goes... Reply
iwodo - Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - linkOne of the thing i never liked SLI or Crossfire like, it needs Drivers support for the specific game to take advantage of 2nd Gfx card.
Have we solve this problem yet? Reply
Spazweasel - Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - linkI've never had to install game-specific drivers to take advantage of SLI in the games I play, and I've had an SLI rig for nearly three years (2x 8800GT). I just update my vid drivers once every few months. It's true that there are often performance tweaks for individual games in a given driver version, but I've never found a game that just doesn't work under SLI with whatever the driver version at hand. When did you last try?
As for Crossfire... my "guest" PC is all-AMD (Athlon II X4 620, 4870, 785 chipset) and is a fine machine. Every time I consider going Crossfire on that rig, I check the various tech sites and game support sites, and see issues with Crossfire being reported far more frequently than SLI. This points to a situation that has existed for a while: AMD makes faster hardware for the money, but nVidia overall does a better job with drivers, particularly in multi-GPU scenarios, and from the game developers I know, seems more interested in working closely with game devs.
Which is why when friends ask me about gaming builds, my usual answer (depending upon the products both vendors have at the time) is "Single vid card, go with AMD, dual vid card, go with nVidia". There have been exceptions: 8800GT in its day was just plain the best, and 460 GTX until very recently was also the best single-GPU solution in its price bracket. The overall trend seems pretty steady with regard to single-GPU vs. multi-GPU, though. Reply
Finally - Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - link"Single vid card, go with AMD, dual vid card, go download a proper brain"
Who drops in another card after 2 years, if there is a new card available that's not only about 100% faster but also brings new features to the table? (E.g. DirectX11, Tesselation, Eyefinity etc.) Reply
Sufo - Thursday, November 11, 2010 - linkUm, i got 2 5850s for less than the price of a single gtx 580, which they consistently outperform. Dual gpu is a legitimate solution in the short term at least.
You're right that it becomes a less sensible option after a fair amount of time, assuming the tech has moved on significantly - however, expect pc gpu tech to stagnate for a while (as evidenced by the very marginal improvements displayed by the 6xxx and 5xx series) at least until the next round of consoles are out.
Right now is a great time to buy a top of the line system. Reply
Finally - Thursday, November 11, 2010 - linkYou DO know that the marginal improvements from 58xx to 68xx stem from the fact that the new top of the line 69xx are yet to be launched?
Yes, GPU tech will stagnate because all they have to master are some 3rd grade console ports that only turn out so few fps because the process of porting them over to the pc is done as quickly and cheaply as possible?
If there was such a thing as a native PC game anymore, you probably would see all those DX11 features put into practice.
Right now it's simply ridiculous. A HD4870 or a GTX580 will play any console-ported crap you throw at it... more performance has become irrelevant as there is no game to request it.
Oh, there is Crysis, right.
And it's out since when exactly?
I'm really not in the mood to pick up this vegetation benchmark in-disguise and look at it again...
And then there are games that run with 200+ fps instead of 60+ fps. *yawn* Please wake me up, when you reach 500+ fps with your GTX580 SLI so I can walk over to my bed for some real deep sleep... Reply
mapesdhs - Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - link
Spazweasel, please see my site for useful info, comparing 8800GT SLI vs.
4890 CF vs. GTX 460 SLI:
and these new pages under construction:
Hope this helps! :)
Ian. Reply
Spazweasel - Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - linkThanks, Ian... still happy with my 8800GT SLI setup though. :) It's been nothing but amazing for me. Not looking to upgrade just yet. Let's see what the 560 GTX looks like... Reply
mapesdhs - Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - link
Yep, 8800 GT SLI does run rather well, though as my results show
they fall behind for newer games at higher res/detail.
Summaries I've posted elsewhere show that if one is playing older
games at lesser resolutions, then using a newer card to replace
an older SLI setup (or instead of adding an extra older card) will
not give that much of a speed boost, if any (look at the 4890 data
vs. 8800GT). For older games, newer cards only help if one also
switches to a higher res/detail mode. Newer cards' higher performance
is focused on newer features, (eg. SM3, etc.); performance levels
for older features are often little changed.
Ian. Reply
maverick7614 - Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - linkHi guys,
Thanks for the great review of the GTX580 from yesterday!
I know this is a bit off topic regarding GTX but as someone that just received as a gift a GTX480 recently, and has no space in the case to use a 3 slot air cooling solution, I was wondering if it would be possible to fit the new GTX580 cooling solution on a GTX480.
If this would be possible it would be great if you guys could retest the temperatures, noise and power draw for such a modded GTX480.
Alex Reply
slickr - Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - linkI see no reason why you would want to keep CIV5 in the benches, since its obviously not reliable to test graphic card speeds.
I would like you to add another strategy game in its place, something like Total war series, you know with large scale combat and all that good stuff.
And why isn't there no Starcraft 2 benchmark there, its basically one of two PC only titles and yet you don't include it? Reply
smookyolo - Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - linkI say they benchmark Age of Empires.
The first one.
8D Reply
Exodite - Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - linkWhile it's clear from this review, as well as others, that the GTX 580 is a significant improvement over the GTX 480 in power usage, temps and noise I realized that what I've actually taken away from reading it is how totally awesome the Radeon 6870 is. In CrossFireX especially.
I reckon that's not quite what Nvidia had in mind but meh, it seems the absolute extreme-end cards still aren't a winning proposition. Reply
silverblue - Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - linkAside of the odd issue with minimum frame rates, Barts is a notable improvement over Cypress for Crossfire. If I was to paraphrase a quote taken from the 460 launch, this would be Evergreen done "right", at least in terms of multiple graphics card setups - better scaling and better power usage essentially means less waste, and it's not as if Evergreen was hungry to start with. Just a shame that AMD has effectively limited Barts to two cards at once.
As for the 580, very well done, however I think we're going to have to wait for another redesign before power usage is properly tackled. Reply
spiked_mistborn - Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - linkIt would be nice if you could include 5770 CF scores in the future. I have a Sapphire Vapor-x running at 960 / 1350 and it's very quiet and performs ok, and I could get another one for about $140 on Newegg. The 5770 has similar or faster tesselation performance to that of 5870 (due to faster clock speed) and in CF has similar shading / texturing abilities. It would be nice to see how 2 of these at stock speeds compare to the other cards. Overall this is a great article as always! Reply
Folterknecht - Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - link2x 5770 ~ 1x 5870 Reply
Neomis - Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - linkWhat are the pc specs on this test system? it would be nice to know what processor/Clock limited some of these tests... Reply
shaggart5446 - Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - linklook how quick he do an sli and the 580 just release yesterday and when the 6870 and 6850 was release there wasnt any xfire the next day but he could also do an over clock 460 sometimes i wonder why amd even send u guys card to review Reply
haukionkannel - Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - linkWell, most simple explanation between these different heat result is that the review part was cherry picked (like they normally are, so that you can get better overclockin results etc.) and the Asus one is normal version, that you can normally expect to get.
When the production run gets better, I think that we will see more chips that are more like the early cherry picked one... Reply
tigersty1e - Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - linkI've seen you guys review high-end pre-built gaming systems before. It's not like you had to give the pre built system high praise. 1 page in the review wouldn't have taken away from anything. Reply
piroroadkill - Thursday, November 11, 2010 - linkCome on, people moan at AnandTech for all kinds of reasons. It's best to keep it clean and get a retail sample from elsewhere. Reply
erple2 - Friday, November 12, 2010 - linkThat's a slippery slope to start going down. Ultimately, it's up to Anandtech to decide what they can/can't will/won't review, not up to the whims of some chipmaker (despite that there are only 2 chipmakers these days).
Reviewing a pre-built gaming system takes a lot of time and effort to do properly, and anything less degrades the reputation of the review site, even if it's just to jump through hoops with some snooty vendor. "If you're willing to jump through THIS hoop to do what we want here, can we withhold a new card for you on the next launch unless you give us complete editorial powers on that review?"
Ultimately, the separation between the review site and the vendor is extremely important to help ensure unbiased, thorough reviews (something that I've appreciated from Anandtech over the years) complete with "here's a bunch of numbers, but what does this all mean in context" (aka "analysis"). Part of that is not bowing to a vendor's wishes (outside of a standard and acceptable product launch NDA). Reply
LSWilson - Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - linkYou guys get to play with the best toys, I could not be more jealous. Keep up the good work. Reply
Oxford Guy - Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - linkIn Unigine Heaven, the 480 beats the 580, except at 2560x1600. The difference is very dramatic at 1680x1050 and considerable at 1920x1080.
Why is that?
I would like to see this matter addressed, as minimum frame rates can make a big difference in perceived performance.
Frankly, I'd like to see an article called "Minimum frame rate shootout" that would compare all the mid-range through high-end cards. Reply
erple2 - Friday, November 12, 2010 - linkYour initial statement is deeply flawed - the 480 beats the 580 IN MINIMUM FRAME RATES, except at 2560x1600.
What I'd like more to know is whether the "blip" in minimum frame rates is a temporary spike/drop, or whether it's endemic. But that's something that the average tells you, too. Reply
Oxford Guy - Friday, November 12, 2010 - linkTake a look at the subject line, smart guy. Reply
Oxford Guy - Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - linkI believe the poster was referring to the Asus card. Take into account that Asus did a 10 Mhz "overclock" which itself is rather cheesy. Reply
keitaro - Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - linkI'd like to request that y'all start testing Eyefinity and Vision Surround setups and resolutions for the games that supports them. Granted, there is a vastly difference in how it is supported in hardware, it'd be nice if any hardware capable of this can be tested. Reply
Hauk - Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - linkWith GTX 580, 5970, and the 68xx series as exceptions, I've ran every other config on that GPU load temp chart, and have lowered temps drastically using a combination of a mobo that allows card spacing, a proper case, decent airflow, TIM replacement, and an Afterburner fan profile. I'm not talking jet engine; there's a tolerable middle ground with any card/system.
As an example, I have GTX 470s right now loading to 70-73c (both cards) in Crysis & Metro 2033, and GTX 480s loading to 78-81c. I don't game on Furmark so it's irrevelant.
It's a shame to see such high numbers knowing that reviewers have done ZERO to find a tolerable medium. I have respect for what they do; but geez, people around the world see this and take it for gospel. You could at least show that temps can be improved.. Reply
anactoraaron - Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - linkThey must be under new management as of this year because the best deals there these days are on watches and coffee makers LOL. Seriously when Best Buy starts to beat you on components and not just on laptops (BB has been beating newegg on laptop prices for at least 2 years now) something is wrong. Newegg is not the company we have grown to love anymore, and it's sad. I haven't bought anything there (but continue to buy tech items) this year... and this comment made me laugh:
When we first saw Newegg post their GTX 580s for sale our jaw dropped as they were all $50-$80 over NVIDIA's MSRP
However after checking out MWave, Tiger Direct, the EVGA Store, and others, we saw at least 1 card at MSRP at each store...
So it's official
NEWEGG = FAIL Reply
Hauk - Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - linkThey run graphics cards sales like the stock market. There's someone inside very skilled and knowledgeable about the industry. They're an 800,000 pound gorilla when it comes to graphics cards. Reply
AnnonymousCoward - Thursday, November 11, 2010 - linkI use newegg for the reviews, and Google Shopping to buy. Reply
alha - Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - linkLooking to upgrade a folding rig, and have been watching the new Nvidia cards with interest, since the 4xx rolled out. I read an early review of the 580, and one thing mentioned was like 380 million circuits (?) were disabled to get the heat down, and gaming perf up. If main concern is folding perf, heat and power consumption be damned, would the full bore, un-gimped 480 be theoretically better for this? Seems that the price currently for either version "superclocked" is somewhat close, so $ isn't really a dealbreaker, just want the best perf. Thoughts? Reply
AnnonymousCoward - Thursday, November 11, 2010 - linkI think the last page shows that Stream Processors perform the same, whether in a 580 or 480. As Ryan pointed out, Folding and SmallLux performed 6-7% higher, the same increase in SP's that the 580 has. To get an index of performance for any Fermi part, just multiply the number of SP's with the core clock. Reply
IceDread - Thursday, November 11, 2010 - linkWhy are there no 5970 in crossfire in the tests? Reply
piroroadkill - Thursday, November 11, 2010 - linkYeah, I already commented on that much earlier. It's said they didn't have a second 5970. Reply
medi01 - Friday, November 12, 2010 - linkThe problem is, not only is "oh, we didn't have second 5970", (card that is out for how many month?) a rather strange excuse, but even it still doesn't justify claiming nVidia got a "new record" in dual config. Reply
Haydyn323 - Friday, November 12, 2010 - linkThey said "dual gpu" config. A 5970 has 2 gpus in it already. Thus one single 5970 vs 580 SLI is comparing 2 gpus to 2 gpus.
Crossfire 5970 would be quad gpu vs 2x 580 gpus in SLI. Reply
piroroadkill - Friday, November 12, 2010 - linkThis is about price points, not the technical details. Reply
medi01 - Friday, November 12, 2010 - linkThey've implied dual card nevertheless. Reply
Haydyn323 - Friday, November 12, 2010 - linkIt very specifically says "Dual-GPU Records". Everyone is fully aware at this point that a 5970 has dual gpus in a single card, so there's no reason to make the distinction. Reply
soonerkevin - Thursday, November 11, 2010 - linkCan we get Crysis Warhead benchmarks using the Enthusiast setting? It's odd that you use the highest setting for all the other games but not Crysis. Reply
Ryan Smith - Thursday, November 11, 2010 - linkAssuming we don't drop it entirely the next time we refresh our suite, we'll probably go to all Enthusiast for at least 1 resolution. Up until now, only a couple of cards have been fast enough to run it at anything resembling a playable framerate. Reply
Soldier1969 - Thursday, November 11, 2010 - link2560 x 1600 res and a AMD 6970 FTW. Reply
silverblue - Friday, November 12, 2010 - linkLet's wait and see. If the model numbering is as skewed as with the 68xx series, the 69xx series may not be as fast as you think... though the dual GPU card should perform better thanks to the improved Crossfire performance with the new cards. Again, let's wait and see, however as two 6870s are quicker and less greedy than one 580, and noting that the 5970 uses much less power than two 5870s (granted, it's technically two 5850s but that doesn't explain all the difference), AMD could have a good dual GPU card on the way. Reply
medi01 - Friday, November 12, 2010 - linkIf you ran out of budget could you please ask AMD to send you second 5970 card please? Reply
Haydyn323 - Friday, November 12, 2010 - linkThey are unlikely to do so. The 5970 is being phased out of production completely to make way for the 6000 series version that is likely to come soon or to encourage people to instead buy 2x 6870s. Not to mention it's a 700 dollar card. Reply
medi01 - Friday, November 12, 2010 - linkOh, and suddenly it is such a big problem for review site to find several hundred bucks for a card, eh? Reply
Haydyn323 - Friday, November 12, 2010 - linkI don't see what the big deal is. Yes, most likely 2x 5970s will beat 2x 580s.
If that's all you want to hear; there it is. Just picture an added graph bar with higher fps above the 580 sli in your mind. It works just as well.
There's really not much point in trying to prove it at this time as ATI doesn't intend to keep selling them much longer. They have no incentive to push it.
Again for most of the 5970s currently being sold, buying 2 would cost someone $1360 whereas buying 2 580s would be $1000, so it's expected that 5970s should have more total power. Switch this up to 3x or 4x 580s and both price and performance probably go higher for the 580s. Reply
Nate0007 - Friday, November 12, 2010 - linkThe 6870 CF and 470 SLI are still the BEST bang For the $$$ here when you consider the performance and $$ spent .
You get Better performance then either of AMD's or Nvida's TOP cards and at less money then either single card solution.
Here's hoping that AMD's New cards drive down prices !! even more !
Competition is great . Reply
BoFox - Thursday, December 09, 2010 - linkHey Ryan Smith, I've been thinking about the normalized results...
Since the 580 would be more bandwidth-bottlenecked than the 480 at same clock speeds, the bandwidth of the 580 should also be 6.67% higher than that of the 480, in order to keep it in line with 6.67% more shaders and TMU's.
Then we could subtract exactly 6.67% from the overall performance gains, to compare it directly to GTX 480.
I've added up an average of the normalized gains (excluding Civilization V since it's CPU-bound), and subtracted 6.67% from the average for the grand result of 3%, after subtracting 2% for the bandwidth penalty. The 2% penalty is just an estimation of how much it would have gained with 6.67% more bandwidth (with the memory running at 3942MHz to keep the bandwidth perfectly linear with the core muscle). If 2% penalty is still too much, please also consider the ROP penalty, as there are still only 48 ROP's for full 512sp, compared to 48 ROP's for 480sp, but then the penalty for ROP's should be very slight, given that 48 ROP's are already plentiful and hardly ever reaches 100% usage with 4x AA.
The grand result of 3% is a bit lackluster for doubled FP16 texturing power along with minor z-culling and other architecture optimizations. Reply


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akash is a cool guy arrived promptly worked in rain job done in an hour excellent he is now my mechanic and my daughters highly recommended and a good price aswell
These guys were brilliant and I was left absolutely satisfied. They had a great price and efficient service and they came out quite late - didn't finish until 20:30 working in the cold. The car felt tuned up and the mechanics were very knowledgeable. Can't recommend these guys enough. Thanks J
Clutch went right before Easter Weekend! The guys came and worked until the late hours to keep my Fiesta on the road for Easter. Highly recommended and will use their service again.
Really nice guys, completed the work on my car and explained all work done. Would recommend to all.
Excellent and swift service. Thank you.
Got car MOT'd and serviced by Sloane Services. It was more expensive than the online quote, but that was because it needed two new shocks and two tyres, and fitting the shocks was a lot more labour. So it was good value, and it was done to time and they were a pleasure to deal with.
Helpful at providing advice!
Nice people, happy with the work, would use again
Good value for money. Paul was very friendly and he fixed my car In no time. Very nice and satisfactory experiance. I Will recommend to everybody who want good service. Thanks Paul, just in time to organise my trip.
Friendly and efficient service, wouldn't hesitate to recommend!
Paul was really helpful and had the fan and re-wiring done within a couple of hours and I picked my car up the same day. They also cleaned it for me which was an added bonus and greatly appreciated! Im sticking with this garage from now on!
Like most car owners, I have my preferred garage but tried Paul and his team when my usual place couldn't urgently schedule a repair to pass an MOT. Paul took the car in the next day, talked me through the whole process, gave me options and completed an excellent job exactly when he said he would. Would highly recommend.
I have used Paul and Central Car Care a number of times now. They offer a fantastic service and nothing is too much of an issue for the customer. The only surprise is the cost, given they are in Kensington..... always value for money! Thanks again.
Helped me to find out the reason why the aircon did not work properly, ordered the new part, fitted and works fine. At the same time brake discs, pads has been changed. Good small garage with clear straightforward attitude. Thanks, Alex
Did a good job, were quite fast, very happy.
Excellent, honest and fast. Really pleased. Will definitely be back to get my bumper done
Good customer service and reasonable prices. Fair few things to repair and it was only 3 days.
36 £ was only for diagnosis

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Are you having trouble picking your college major? Sometimes it helps to glance at the most popular majors to see what other students are studying.
1. Business Administration
Despite the struggling economy, business administration tops the list of popular college majors. It certainly ranks as the most popular major on Princeton Review's top 10 list. You'll study accounting, finance and economics, and learn the art of decision making. Career options include management, management consulting, or even starting your own business.
2. Psychology
Psychology is a great major if you like to watch people and learn why they do what they do. It's second on the lists of the Princeton Review, www.highschoolgraduate.com and www.collegecrunch.org. Classes cover different areas of psychology and statistics. Careers include clinical psychology, social work, advertising and criminal profiling.
3. Nursing
Nursing is the third most popular major on the lists of the Princeton Review. Nurses are in increasingly high demand. Classes include freshman basics followed by anatomy and physiology, then clinical work in hospitals or clinics. Career options range from private nursing to intensive care nursing.
4. Biology
Biology ranks fourth on the lists of the Princeton Review. The word "biology" means "study of life," and you'll study life from single-celled organisms to whales. Your class work will include a variety of biology classes, calculus and statistics. Career possibilities include medicine, genetic research and pharmacy work.
5. Education
Elementary education comes in fifth on the Princeton Review's list but it's not an easy choice or career. Your program may require you to pick a specialty such as math, music or language arts, and you'll have to spend one or two semesters as a student teacher before you graduate and get your license.
6. English
English literature and language ranks sixth on the Princeton Review list. Classes include American, English and world literature, poetry, creative writing, and business and technical writing. While you could become an author, you're more likely to find yourself a journalist, editor or business writer.
7. Economics
Economics, ranked seventh by Princeton Review, studies how government funds are allocated and the consequences of those allocations. Courses include accounting, statistics and international business. Two possible careers are economist and stockbroker.
8. Communications
Communications ranks eighth on the Princeton Review's list. Communications majors spend time looking at speeches and studying the messaging and purpose behind them. Communications majors often find careers in business, advertising, human resources, public relations, government, education, media, and social services, according to the Princeton Review.
9. Political Science
Political science ranks ninth on the Princeton Review list, but it doesn't offer an immediate career like nursing and elementary education do. You'll study different types of government, public policy and statistics. Careers with this degree include foreign service, journalism and education.
10. Computer and Information Science
Ranking No. 10 on the Princeton Review's list, computer and information science majors will learn more about computers and how to apply the knowledge they gain into a business setting.
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