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ASUS Eee Pad Transformer Prime GPS Issue Explainedby Anand Lal Shimpi on 1/4/2012 4:12 AM EST
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ddeconin - Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - linkIs it available on ipad? Reply
$carecrow - Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - linkAppears to be an app called "GPS Test"...doesn't appear to be on the Apple App Store. Reply
MrSewerPickle - Thursday, January 05, 2012 - linkIts an Android App by a company out of the UK called Chartcross that is quite awesome. If you ever get a chance to see it on a AMOLED screen then ake sure to change the color scheme to Blue or Amber. Very cool contrast example for an AMOED screen on top of it being a great GPS test app.
Excellent article as always Anand and very cool to take ownership of forgetting to includethe GPS test in the review in our current society of zero admission of fault and false sense of entitlement. Mistakes are very common and okay, what is indeed rare now is people that handle it like you did and also how ASUS has responded to all of this. Reply
dvinnen - Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - linkhttps://market.android.com/details?id=com.chartcro...
At least Asus owned up to it Reply
kishorshack - Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - linkWhy is Asus trying to be just like apple
A small black plastic windows wouldnt have harmed tablets aesthetics neither its design.
Such a windows would also never had been noticed
If you are paying $500 and If Asus is expecting to compete with best tablets in market
I expect its allround performance to be atleast at par with the predecessor
Thats a dissapointment :( Reply
bennyg - Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - linkDuh, same reasons Samsung and everyone else are???
Because Apple command a huge price premium and a dedicated fanbase who will pay regardless and as a result make more cash than they know how to spend (so they throw it at patent lawyers for a laugh)
Next patent infringement will be when Asus tell buyers they're holding it wrong lol. Reply
kishorshack - Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - linkWTF dude
obviously Samsung and others want to be like apple but that doesnt mean you have to copy them
N Fool my argument was to provide a plastic windows
Anyways this is how apple sells their products
http://foodbeast.com/content/wp-content/uploads/20... Reply
umbrel - Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - linkLOL. I had never seen that fake advertising but it is some awesome marketing. It certainly made feel like getting some water. Reply
jontech - Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - linkLOL
The Molecular perfection made me laugh Reply
robinthakur - Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - linkHuh? Even Apple puts a small plastic window on the back and concedes form to functionality sometimes. Asus, should have tested it more eh? But unlike when this sort of things happen to Apple and the whole butt-hurt internet throws a hissy fit, since it's not Apple's screw-up this time, nobody really cares. Probably because there'll be another model along before too long. Reply
Solandri - Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - linkPeople throw a hissy fit when it happens to Apple because Apple makes the only iOS tablet. If you want an iOS tablet (or phone), then you *must* deal with the problem.
When an Android tablet has this type of flaw and the feature is important to you, you can just choose to buy a different tablet. What you're seeing is the advantage of having choice in the market, not a bias against Apple.
And FWIW, I never understood why they don't just mill some small grooves along the exterior of the aluminum case, embed the antennas inside, and fill it in with rubber or epoxy so it's flush with the rest of the surface. Yeah it won't be as good as having a polycarbonate case, but it'll be better than mounting the antenna inside the aluminum case. Reply
TheWerewolf - Saturday, January 21, 2012 - linkWhich is nothing like when an Apple fanboi throws a hussy fit.
Allow me to explain. Apple has a large part of the smartphone and tablet market, so an error on their part affects a LOT of people. They also get a massively disproportionate share of the press attention - mostly almost always very positive attention (unjustly positive a lot of the time). Asus owns a fairly small part of those markets, so it's not as big a deal to the press.
That being said, if you actually spent more time out of the walled garden, you'd know that a LOT of articles decrying Asus for this screw up have been written and a lot of people are angry and many are returning their Primes over this.
In short: you're trolling and badly at that. Reply
janderk - Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - linkI never understood why metal is so often seen as a good construction material for devices that are full of antennas. As internal frame material is probably a good choice, but as a cover material?
If one were to pick the best cover material for phones, tablets or notebooks the first two requirements would be strength (mostly against dropping) and no-interference with radio waves. This would immediately rule out metal and glass and probably put plastic in the #1 spot. Unfortunately, both reviewers (not Anandtech) and the general public perceive plastic as low quality. The reason being that so many cheap products are made out of it.
This has put us all in the strange situation where expensive products are made of more easily breakable and radio blocking materials than low budget products.
Nokia probably has taken the right decision. Use plastic, but just give it a sexy name: Polycarbonate. Reply
gorash - Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - linkBlame Apple... Reply
clsmithj - Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - linkI agree.
Same thing can be said about people's dislikes for synthetic fabric vs material made made from animals.
Plastics and synthetics are the most advance of technology but people prefer the less versatile traditional materials. Reply
C'DaleRider - Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - linkAbout preferring natural vs. synthetic materials, there are reasons why things like Thinsulate doesn't command a price like goose down does for insulation in jackets....it doesn't work as well.
Wool has properties no synthetic can match. Cotton has a hand that no synthetic (plastic) can match.
True, synthetics do have their place, but in a lot of cases, the natural materials have qualities that still trump any synthetic. Reply
Death666Angel - Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - linkBut likewise, wool has negative aspects that can be rectified by adding a few percent of synthetic fibres (referring to it's behavior regarding stretching/shrinking here in particular).
Also, all "natural" fibres can in theory be made in a laboratory. The only issue is that it is usually more cost effective to go the "natural" route.
As for down feathers, there are synthetic materials with better insulation qualities (foamed plastics with more than 99% air in their volume) but they are even more costly than down feathers and are thus not used by the average consumer. :-)
But this is seriously off topic :D. Reply
kishorshack - Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - linkyaaaaa agreed man
I always had that complain against reviewers
Anand are you listening ??????? Reply
Solandri - Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - linkUndoubtedly, plastic (or rubber) is a better cover material for items which can be dropped. Its flexibility means it can survive drops without structural damage, whereas metal will dent and permanently deform.
Unfortunately, people are really hung up over appearances for these products. They buy a phone or tablet which is already pretty rugged and will be replaced in a couple years, and immediately put a cover on it so as not to mar its surface. Plastic scratches more easily than metal, so the plastic case (even if reinforced with metal) is viewed as inferior. Reply
B3an - Thursday, January 05, 2012 - linkI just want to join in on this too... Plastic is GOOD for a phone or a tablet. One of the worst designs i've ever seen on a phone was the iPhone 4 / 4s. Putting a highly breakable material on BOTH the front and back of a highly mobile device is about as stupid as you can get. Yet reviewers, including Anandtech, dont mention this as a bad thing. Infact it's a good thing to them. Reply
name99 - Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - linkHere's a hint: a high school knowledge of electricity does not make you an RF engineer.
What is going on in the antenna characteristics is VASTLY more complicated than the simple-minded model you appear to have in mind. To take one example, in most cell phones, the PCB ground plane acts as an important resonator element in the overall radiation characteristics. And, you may have noticed, once upon a time cell antennas were whips that were 16cm long (wavelength of 900Mhz is 33cm). Then we got to stubby nubs on the end of the phone --- now not even a nub. How can this possibly work given than antennas are supposed to be half (or perhaps one quarter) wavelength?
Yes --- if you had an antenna that was 100% enclosed in an aluminum box it wouldn't work. Since no-one is selling such a device, this fact is irrelevant.
What people ARE selling are devices that have the front more-or-less transparent to RF (depending on the details of what is in the screen), along with various other gaps along the edges of the device. Given that you have to deal with the PCB ground plane anyway, you might as well make a virtue of necessity, which includes things like considering the resonant characteristics of the ENTIRE device --- and you can tune those characteristics using a metal shell.
Look, people, use some damned sense. There are MANY companies selling phones. There are MANY companies selling phones based purely on high-end specs. If using a pure plastic shell really made such a difference, don't you think at least one of these companies would be using that fact to their advantage --- telling the world "we don't follow fashion, we care about engineering and as a result our phone has a 10dB higher SINR than anyone else's"?
Nobody does this because it doesn't buy you anything.
Kindle Fire, for example, as far as I can tell is pure plastic -- but I haven't seen any reviews saying "damn, this thing has incredible WiFi range".
ASUS problem here is not that they used a metal shell; it's that they rushed a product to market and didn't do a good enough job of simulating the radiation characteristics for all the antennas. Reply
theledman - Sunday, January 08, 2012 - link"ASUS problem here is not that they used a metal shell; it's that they rushed a product to market "...precisely. +1
As an engineer at a fairly large company, i almost always have to fight with marketing folks on certain aspects of design. If having a metal back is going to look better or allow for a design with a smaller profile and result in higher sales or a more distinguishable device in the gigantic landscape of mediocre android tablets, then I think it's a pretty simple decision for the higher ups.
It's not always about function. Form matters too. And when you swing to either end of the spectrum, there's always going to be people that object. Keep in mind the average consumer is probably not like you. They just want something that works and is easy on the eyes. Though ASUS messed up with wifi and gps, i appreciate their desire to at least try to balance form and function. Reply
Ethereal_Gaz - Thursday, January 05, 2012 - linkWhen attempting to produce a device as thin and light as the latest tablets you need a strong material at low thickness. Aluminium is the goto material. If you want to use an engineering plastic, such as polycarbonate, IXEF etc then you need to add millimetres. Reply
bornclimber - Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - linkWhy dont they just release an option as an update: A prime' with a polycarbonate back cover. They dont even have to change the design, just the material.
That way the consumers have two options: Aluminium backcover without GPS, or polycarbonate/plastic with GPS. I would totally choose the latter. Reply
cn4873 - Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - linkWhy not add an external ant.connection for use in cars or indoors. They can sell the ant as an add on to cover the cost of the change. Reply
Death666Angel - Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - link"The only thing that ASUS didn't do was offer a return/exchange program for those users who felt they were mislead by ASUS' initially advertised specs."
Here in Germany, when a product is advertised with having a certain feature and after you buy it you find out that it doesn't (this case being even easier since the manufacturer states that it doesn't), you can cancel the purchase contract one sided and get your money back. Only problem would be if you bought it from a less than respectful source (but then, why did you spend 500 bucks there in the first place?! :D).
Cases like these make me question why people want aluminum or other metal chassis in these electronics in the first place. Metal is good if you need electrical/heat conductivity, ductility or high resistance against force. Nothing of which is essential in these kinds of handheld electronics as far as I know. Good plastic can almost always be cheaper, lighter and just as sturdy. :-)
I hope those who bought this device won't have any trouble getting their money back if they want to. Reply
nxp3 - Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - linkOf all the reviews, I found your review to be the most thorough and I thought it was the best out of all the reviews out there. But leaving the GPS out of the test makes everything null and void. There is a lot of great things about the prime, but the GPS is an integral part of the device and the OS itself. Many services depends on the GPS working properly. Location based services, offline maps, and photo tagging. These are some of the things WE use it for. Without a proper working GPS I would not have bought the prime. I own the transformer, not a great GPS, but works well enough, that's all I ask for. Now I understand that the GPS was missed by all reviewers out there...but you don't want to be like them do you? You take pride in your work so don't mess it up again. I even register just to comment here, but you should definitely change your position on recommending the prime. We early adopters cannot return it when purchasing from GameStop so Asus needs to give alternatives for us to return it. It's like a luxury car perfect in every way except missing a steering wheel.
Also, since you removed your prime, maybe you can go into more details on how to remove it safely, maybe with a few more photoes showing you pulling the front side off. And maybe recommend suggestion on how to improve the GPS reception. Not only that, you should have also tested the GPS with the back off and report if the GPS locks on faster, this way there might be a way to devise a seperate plastic back Reply
ATOmega - Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - linkIf there's one thing I tell people, never shop at GameStop.
The second is.. Buy all your consumer electronics on a credit card. That way you at least have a recourse against misleading advertising. Reply
nxp3 - Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - linkWell I normally hate GameStop too, but they were the only place that had the Prime available for pre order. I had pre ordered from amazon, and they canceled on me. I big ordeal. Preorder from a couple of other places, got canceled as well. Only GameStop had it. I guess that is the price you pay for being the first few to get it. Reply
Death666Angel - Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - link"It's like a luxury car perfect in every way except missing a steering wheel." More like missing internet radio. Useful, but not essential to the product.
Why can you not return it at GameStop? This is false advertising and GameStop seems like a big enough store so it should have decent customer service.
If he were to change his recommendation simply because of GPS, as he said in this piece, he should also withdraw recommendation for iPad Wifi since it doesn't have it. :-) Reply
nxp3 - Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - linkI did not know the ipad didn't have wifi...never been a big fan of apple. Last apple product I own was an apple IIe. Reply
Anand Lal Shimpi - Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - linkFor a smartphone I'd agree but for a WiFi-only tablet I don't see the "missing' GPS as a significant enough feature to not recommend it. Remember that WiFi location services are still present and fully functional on the device. For most of what you've described, this is enough.
Take care,
Anand Reply
ATOmega - Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - linkHey Anand,
I sent you an email just before the first Transformer Prime asking you to do some thorough looks at GPS! ;)
I know the first review had to get to other details, but I was disappointed to see followup reviews had nothing about such a clearly stated feature of the device.
At this point, I'm starting to think it's a good thing I chose to wait instead of pick one of these up. It might have done well at some things, but nothing vexes me more than a feature that doesn't work as advertised. Reply
Anand Lal Shimpi - Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - linkI even remember reading your email and thinking "I need to make sure to test GPS". Unfortunately I spent so long chasing down WiFi issues that by the time I finally figured out what was going on I had forgotten about GPS.
To be honest it rarely hurts to wait before purchasing anything new.
Take care,
Anand Reply
quiksilvr - Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - linkUnless you're in a rural area, you might as well turn it off if you are in the city. You'd miss turns in DC constantly since a good portion of streets are actually less than 75 feet away from each other, especially in the east. Reply
2late2die - Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - linkWouldn't two satellites be enough for triangulation? Reply
nxp3 - Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - linkYes, but 3 required for elevation. Reply
pixelstuff - Friday, January 06, 2012 - linkActually it's 3 for triangulation (hence the triangle part of the word) and 4 for elevation. And no, the phone isn't considered a third leg of the triangle.
If using only two satellites, then for any location in question there will be a second twin location that would give the same reading. Reply
kklee - Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - linkYou said the aluminum case is blocking the gps signal, but it look to me the front face is glass on top of the antenna, when you use the tablet facing up or even 45degree, the signal will not have any problem go throught it.
or they use a piece of metal under the glass to cover the antenna? it doesn't make sense to me.
or the glass contain lots of metal? doesn't look like it tho.
or the antenna is directional and from the front view it face up? it's possible but why direct it to a aluminum side not the glass one?
I use tomtom gps it still work fine near the windows, in car or in building, I think nowaday gps antenna doesn't need to direct facing the sky to work well. it can pick up the reflecting signla very well, higher gain maybe?
again for the wifi antenna, it should not have any problem when put the tablet facing the incoming signal direction.
will it possible that the aluminum in it disorb the radio power a lot? thus making a radio-free field around it? a silly thought tho. Reply
Anand Lal Shimpi - Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - linkIt's unclear to me how much of a role the capacitive touchscreen plays in all of this (that's not glass as in a window pane that the waves have to travel through). Having one surface obstructed by aluminum definitely presents a significant challenge. Given the same Broadcom hardware is used in both the original Transformer and the Prime I can only assume it's the metal case that really limiting things here.
Take care,
Anand Reply
autogenerate - Monday, January 23, 2012 - linkIf the antenna is on the back side facing the aluminium shell, then to get a signal through the screen, requires the signal to pass the the circuit board which is filled with copper traces and maybe some solid layer of copper which is the same as trying to pass the the metal back. Reply
thomslik - Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - linkYou sure could have saved me a lot of time and trouble by noticing the GPS operation, as this is one of my requirements. I've returned mine and hope there is no problem with the refund.
It's a little strange that a previous poster claims to have even emailed requesting GPS testing, but you just happened to overlook it anyway. But I will give you the benefit of the doubt as you usually seem to come through. Reply
Anand Lal Shimpi - Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - linkI do actually remember seeing an email asking me to test GPS, it was something I had originally planned on doing but I ended up chasing WiFi issues for so long that it totally slipped my mind afterwards.
Take care,
Anand Reply
zvadim - Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - linkwhy not print laminated antennas on the exterior aluminum back surface & use pass-through dots/pegs to connect to radio. Reply
name99 - Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - linkHah --- and get a crowd of uninformed yahoos screeching about how "it doesn't work if you hold it wrong"?
Apple does that, and look what it got them for their pains.
The basic problem is that America is populated by many fools who imagine they understand a number of issues they do not, and are not shy about sharing their "expertise" with the rest of us. Reply
xype - Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - linkI guess for Android devices, things like bad UI performance or a "GPS Issue" are ok, as long as there's an explanation behind it. "Sure it doesn't work, but hey, we know why!".
With WiFi and GPS being borked, imagine the vitriol and outcry if it was the iPad. And yet people still accuse sites like AnandTech of "Apple bias" and whatnot.
The worst part is that there's customers out there getting burned with it (not many of the "average" customers read AT) and the only sensible thing wouldn't be to strip "GPS" off the feature list but to recall the product completely. A lot of the Android and iOS (and likely WP7 ones) make use of GPS, so it's not really like the product isn't crippled. And it's a damn shame, because it would be quite decent—if it worked.
Also, why is Daily Tech featured in the sidebar? Its quality is utter shit and it makes AT look worse. Reply
silverwings - Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - linkPlease can you test with the metal back off with screenshots. It would be nice to know what could be achieved if I had a plastic back made. I think its a mixture of design and software issues.
You mentioned in the review the prime had the wrong time zone set for the gps test. Can you elaborate on what you did to rectify the problem.
Thanks for the great reviews Reply
kenyee - Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - linkI griped to most of the review sites after I found out my Motorola Cliq phone's GPS had major issues....13 satellites and no lock? Needs rebooting occasionally to get it to lock.
It's my primary navigation device too, so it can get extremely frustrating.
Still, no review sites that I know of have done any sort of GPS testing w/ phone reviews. Given how important it is to things like Google Maps nowadays, it should be higher on the priority list.
Thanks for the article Anand. You've got a good start to a testing methodology for GPS reception. I hope you continue improving it... Reply
Anand Lal Shimpi - Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - linkBrian actually does a lot of GPS testing in our smartphone reviews, I needed to follow more of his example :)
Take care,
Anand Reply
Andypro - Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - links/mislead/misled/g Reply
Anand Lal Shimpi - Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - linkThank you - fixed :) Reply
gktech - Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - linkGet a container-load of USB GPS dongles and ship them to affected users.
Problem solved. Reply
vvk - Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - linkGuys,
I follow Anand since his AMD K3 review and he consistently is one of the better reviewers for so many years IMHO. To the point of the GPS. I got screwed with the Galaxy S GPS ( not working) so the quality of the GPS is now on my personal checklist before buying a new tablet or phone. I even canceled my pre-order with bestbuy and changed it back to Amazon to make sure I know more about the TF prime before it is too late. BTW the issue was highlighted on the XDA TF prime forum in the last few weeks so one more reason to check all available sources before commuting to buy.
I think that the GPS test is often neglected in phone/tablets reviews and hope that this will change in the future but for now buy from reputable sellers with good return policy if this is an important feature to you (it is is for me). Reply
zvadim - Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - linkIt took a year of custom ROM development before the GPS in my Samsung Captivate became usable (even then only when plugged into AC). I'm amazed that such basic functionality flaw got as little coverage as it did. Seems that reviewers are too preoccupied with, CPU/GPU specs, fancy screen tech & shiny "industrial design" features. Reply
nxp3 - Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - linkI have to know this isn't some bs Asus is telling us. Can you test the GPS without the aluminum back? If the GPS works flawlessly we can rest in peace. Reply
HighTech4US - Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - linkQuote: Anand: I don't believe the GPS issues on the Prime are substantial enough to warrant changing our recommendation for the product.
A major feature is non-functional and that is OK and still deserves a recommendation here!!!
Not in my book.
And don't forget the Iffy Wi-Fi problem that this tablet has.
I am in the market for an Andrioid 10" tablet and this was seriously on it. Now unless there is a redesign to fix the antenna problems (Wi-Fi, GPS) it is completely off of it. Reply
xype - Thursday, January 05, 2012 - linkEh, for some reason everytime there's a semi-decent Android product reviewed it gets a recommendation with a "it will get smoother in the next version (that you'll need to get a custom ROM for yourself)", "these is not the GPS-enabled device you were looking for" and "it might be as big as your car and the pentile display sucks, but ooooohlookattheshinyoversaturatedcolors!!".
Seems to me like there's an inherent hope that Android will crush iOS that's underlying a lot of those reviews (not so much on AnandTech, granted). The reviews are mostly done by "fanboys", too, as any Android review by an iOS user (and vice versa) is labeled as either a troll or "butthurt fanboy lulz!".
One day, perhaps, there will be a webpage that offers a transparent judging criteria list where we can all go through the checklist and see how the conclusions were made. "GPS: broken, Smooth UI: yes, Social Media Apps: kludgy, Use of leather texture in the UI: excessive"—sort of like magazines did ages ago. And only "hard facts" points, no "Relative improvement over previous version: yes" if it still sucks.
Also, DailyTech is still (mostly) shit. Reply
Ethereal_Gaz - Thursday, January 05, 2012 - linkHmm, can't anyone with an android phone just use TetherGPS to pair their phone to the tablet and use the GPS on the phone for and tablet apps that require GPS???
It's been working on my Nook fine for months!
If I was after another tablet I wouldn't let this GPS issue put me off as I'm already carrying a GPS capable device around. It'd be a non-issue as I can't think of a time I'd be outdoors without my phone.
I guess there'd be a small hit on the phone battery but I wouldn't be too bothered about that either. Reply
jcompagner - Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - linkSo said that it market moves that way,
its nice that it looks good, but i never want to loose function because of that, then please make it uglier! Reply
simard57 - Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - linkthere have been some reports (in XDA-Developers) that bluetooth interferes with the wifi. Have you done any tests of the Bluetooth - perhaps using headphones, mice, ...to see if it is not affected by the aluminum back?
thanx for the good job Reply
Paul_London - Thursday, January 05, 2012 - linkDue to get my ATP next week here in the UK.
What they should have done was either put an external antenae socket on the case or provided a plug in antenae for the headphone jack like you use with a mobile phone to listen to FM radio.
On my SGS2 when I have the headphones plugged in for the radio, I can select play from speaker this would have got around turn by turn navigation.
**Note** Asus if you decide to do this, I want a cut for the idea!! :o)) Reply
JimmyBoo - Thursday, January 05, 2012 - linkI wholeheartedly agree. I'm not overly "technical" but for one am still really looking forward to the Prime but it really does rankle that it has this GPS issue. I can't believe that nothing can be done here - I appreciate that similar to the ipad GPS limitations little can be done in the short term re the existing casing design BUT surely Asus has a significant ace up their sleeve here via their existing input ports? Can they come up with some sort of sleek, aesthetic usb antenna/RF receiver that we could use to breathe life into the GPS on the odd occasion that we'd use it;- if you think about it that I feel would be a REAL coup for them in many respects. I for one have asked them to look into this via their Support/Contact us section and would urge like minded to do the same http://support.asus.com/contactus.aspx?SLanguage=e... Maybe with enough noise they'd listen do something here Reply
TheWerewolf - Saturday, January 21, 2012 - linkThe WiFi and GPS antennas are on the front, just under the glass. I can see it being shielded if you hold the Prime vertical or with the back upwards - but in normal use, the GPS antenna should have clear view of the sky.
The capacitive layer shouldn't extend much past the LCD so it shouldn't screen the antenna either...
This feels more like an interference problem.
How are the antennas in the original Transformer placed? Reply
Bipindra - Friday, February 24, 2012 - linkHi Anand,
I was wondering if you open the back cover of the transformer prime and test the GPS signal. i.e. did you get a better signal ? This is to confirm that the aluminum case is creating the GPS issue.
What if you could cut an opening near the GPS antenna and put a hard plastic to cover the hole. Will that solve the problem?
You comments please... Reply
loosegoose - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - linkAny comment on running an external GPS (usb) dongle from the Asus. I run this with my Panasonic Toughbook in the Outback of Oz with great success, in order to keep me alive.
I wouldn't mind staying alive in the city traffic with perhaps the help of the Asus, which I could be carrying as an E-book reader. I have the external GPS mounted to the vehicle roof, so reaching for it when needed is a 'doddle'. Reply
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darrencurrie - Monday, October 21, 2013 - linkJust received in the mail today (10-21-2013) the answer to the class action lawsuit against ASUS: external GPS dongle and a $17 check. Not bad, but considering the dongle was made in March 2012 it would have been nice to receive it while the Transformer Prime was my main device. Reply


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The source of lead is the mineral "galena", found all over the world as a surface rock. The galena can be used straight as a glaze, and was dusted on the pots through a bag or an old sock. This was a job for the potter's wife, and many died from lead poisoning. People did not know that lead was poisonous, or if they did, they did tell their wives.[Sick, I know. I apologize]
The great thing with lead was that it made a beautiful glaze and a very reliable flux in low fire glazes. Lead glazes were common in schools right up into the sixties. Art teachers were also doing copper enameling in their art rooms without proper ventilating.
Lead is still used in glazes in third world countries, as it is easily available in car batteries, which are taken apart and pounded into a glaze.Be careful when buying souvenir pottery from Mexico and other countries, and don't use them with food.
The opinions expressed here are my own.
Good information TJR. I knew, why the lead was used. I just didn't know how safe the wares actually were, that used it. I definitely didn't know the bit about car batteries. That seems like a lot of work, for a potentially toxic glazing material.
Having read all of the above, it's making me worry about my clay / glaze now. I am using smooth white earthenware - and mostly make decorative pieces. However, if I want to make some mugs, what would be the best bisque firing temperature and same for glaze fire. I generally use a mid range transparent glaze, coloured with small qty of oxide. (Copper carbonate, cobalt carbonate, red/black iron oxide,)Are these 'safe'?
All advice greatly welcomed.
It is morally reprehensible for a potter to sell pots used to serve food without testing the glaze for leaching and the clay for leaking. Of course, most of us would rather have a mug that leaks than a mug that poisons us. If a glaze contains any metallic colorants other than iron then it should either not be used as a liner or it should be tested for leaching. You can do a simple lemon test to eliminate an obvious leacher but only a lab test will detect more subtle leaching.
The glazes I use, are marked as food safe, by the company. I'm assuming, that would indicate, that leaching isn't isn't an issue. Yes, I agree, that I prefer my mugs leaky, than poisony.
Some of my classroom glazes have soluble copper and cadmium. They are leftovers from a previous teacher, and I'm using them until they are gone, but I don't allow students to use them, for anything that might be used with food or drink.
How does the lemon test work?
Also, how is it, that glazes used lead for so many years?
Lead is not all that deadly and it is even possible to use very small amounts safely in a glaze that is carefully fired, so it has been used on pots for many years. But, it's for the best that we now consider it better to not use it at all for dishes. It is still available, usually in frits, for glazes. Pres answered your question about the lemon test. Since most potters aren't going to go to the trouble and expense of sending pots to a lab to be tested, the lemon/vinegar tests are better than no testing at all, but even better is to not use any glaze for a liner that has any metalic colorant in it other than iron unless it is tested in a lab.
No worries about the metallic colorants. As I said, I have some, but they are not used, with food/ drink wares. The students always ask, "What will happen if they use them to eat or drink out of anyway?" I tell them probably nothing, unless they eat or drink out of them everyday for a long time. But just to be safe, only use them for decorative items.


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iBuyPower Revolt System Review: Closing the Boutique and Opening the Storeby Dustin Sklavos on 2/16/2013 12:01 PM EST
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rRansom - Saturday, February 16, 2013 - linkSay what? Reply
danjw - Saturday, February 16, 2013 - linkI just went did a configure on their website. If I go with Windows 7, they insist on installing Microsoft Office on it. I say no to spamware! Just plain old no! I thought they were a boutique, there is no place for spamware from a boutique! Reply
damianrobertjones - Saturday, February 16, 2013 - linkIs your post a joke? MS Office isn't spamware and if you don't like it then un-install it? Reply
Netscorer - Sunday, February 17, 2013 - linkAt least they allow you to configure this PC with no OS. If you have a Windows license that can be recycled from previous built (like most self-respecting people would have in drones), you can have your wish of spam-free install and save some money too. Reply
bah12 - Tuesday, February 19, 2013 - linkReally most self-respecting people have a full retail copy of Windows? I find it odd that very many people would shell out $199 for the full retail copy.
Technically speaking Microsoft only has 1 version that you can install on your own "naked" box. That is the full retail. OEM is not legal for personal use, though everyone does it (as do I). Reply
freedom4556 - Tuesday, February 19, 2013 - linkHogwash, OEM is perfectly OK for personal use, you simply give up Windows support from Microsoft. You're taking on the role of OEM yourself when you build your own machine, which makes you resposible for your own support. Just how Dell supports Windows on Dell machines, you support Windows on machines you build from scratch if you use the OEM version. Full retail gets you direct phone/chat/email support from Microsoft, which is why the added cost. Reply
kyuu - Saturday, February 16, 2013 - linkI like the case design and the fact that a boutique is actually approaching being price-competitive with building your own rig.
I'm not going to buy one when they don't give the option of anything but Intel for CPU (not that I'd use anything but Intel for a desktop CPU at the moment, admittedly) and, more importantly, don't offer any AMD graphics solutions whatsoever. Reply
da_cm - Saturday, February 16, 2013 - linkI guess the reason for Intel only CPUs is the custom motherboard. They would have had to design an other version for AMD CPUs to fit.
That said, personally, I would love to see a configuration with an FX-6300 and a 7850/7870 with a reasonable price tag as it's better CPU-GPU balance than a 3570k and a GTX660 or 650. Reply
tim851 - Saturday, February 16, 2013 - linkSo you want them to offer an AMD CPU although you wouldn't buy one... yeah, they'll really want you as their customer. What other options you would't consider should they offer? Reply
karasaj - Sunday, February 17, 2013 - linkI'd rather have something like an i3-3220 (or the updated version with slightly better clock?) instead of an FX-6300. Similar price (if not less expensive), but enormously higher single threaded performance = better for most and competitive for all games.
Note: There is an i3-3240 with an extra 100mhz on the clock compared to the 3220. So that would be a tiny performance boost to what you see here. The 3220 slots in 10-20$ less than an FX-6300, but the 3240 is 10$ more. BUT the 6300 also consumes more than twice as much power, which would almost definitely make up that 10$ in a year. Reply
mariush - Saturday, February 16, 2013 - linkToo bad you're not actually posting some pictures of the actual motherboard and case internals.
You say it's custom but it would be nice to see who exactly makes it or what model of motherboard is the base this motherboard was customized from.
Surely it's not a 100% custom design. Reply
RDO CA - Saturday, February 16, 2013 - linkSooooo when do you read the article? Reply
secretmanofagent - Saturday, February 16, 2013 - linkToo bad I'm not putting together words that represent a thoughtful contribution.
You say it's custom, and then you go into detail exactly what it is in the conclusion.
Surely I should have read the article 100% before bitching. Reply
arnavvdesai - Saturday, February 16, 2013 - linkI was hoping the author can answer some of the following questions
1) Is there space for one more 3.5" HDD?
2) Is there space for one 2.5" SSD and one 3.5" HDD?
While I understand that most of the system is accessible by removing a phillips screws, can I at some point change the Video Card personally when a new one comes out or is it in some way fixed permanently with the system when I purchase one.
I am really interested in the system size and the MB they provide and would like to get something this small, so is there something case/MB wise that I can get to put below my TV? The mITX cases I have seen so far on NewEgg or Amazon all seem to be towers and largish (roughly the size of a large AV reciever).
Is there an option to get a BD drive instead of a DVD drive? Reply
DanNeely - Sunday, February 17, 2013 - linkYou can configure it with an SSD and an HDD. The wizard won't let you pick 2 HDDs (throws an error message) so the second bay is almost certainly only 2.5". Surprisingly it doesn't have an option for two SSDs; since in the past I've read that butiques were claiming it was a customer demanded config when they sent raid 0 SSD review systems out. Reply
jnemesh - Monday, February 18, 2013 - linkIt has one 3.5" bay, one 2.5" bay, and one mSATA slot. It would not let me configure all three filled, but you should be able to have 3 drives internal if one is a SSD using mSATA. Reply
tipoo - Saturday, February 16, 2013 - linkShame they killed it rather than continuing to upgrade it. They were early to this segment and instead of capitalizing on their lead they let it die off. Sounds familiar for them. Reply
Earthmonger - Sunday, February 17, 2013 - linkNot interested much, but I did read it. Thanks for the work Dustin. Kept me occupied for fifteen minutes on this boring Sunday, and I appreciate that.
This isn't for PC Gaming enthusiasts; they would want the security of an upgradable machine.
This is just for console gamers who'd like to expand their options to PC games. With a disposable machine.
I keep wondering why they want to shrink these "living room boxes". You could accomplish so much more in something the size of a HT subwoofer enclosure without grossly scandalizing the living room.
I'd like to agree with the earlier comment complaining about the MS Office inclusion. It should be the consumer's option to receive the product with a completely blank drive, if they wish it. These back-office deals have always PO'd me, I don't need a bloated, ghost'ed drive. But in this case I have to remember the demographic this was built for, which isn't me. Can't deduct for that.
The case design is hideous. I've seen it before, on an $8 plastic clothes hamper at Wal*Mart. Reminiscent of something the new Johnny Hou would draw up. Reply
Dustin Sklavos - Sunday, February 17, 2013 - linkUh...this is upgradable. Reply
Earthmonger - Monday, February 18, 2013 - linkIs it? Swap out the PSU, GPU, toss in an AMD CPU, motherboard? Hmm. I was under the impression that space was limited, and PSU/GPU length and mainboard config would be an issue. Reply
Dustin Sklavos - Monday, February 18, 2013 - linkThe PSU is server size 1U.
The GPU is a garden variety card.
The motherboard is mini-ITX.
Space is limited, but they're not using nonstandard parts. Reply
HisDivineOrder - Sunday, February 17, 2013 - link...seems ill advised. In a few months, a CPU designed from the ground up for this kind of low-power, low-heat, optimal performance is going to come out and make all these power/heat numbers look high.
Plus, I HOPE Intel is smart enough with the GT3 configuration that they enable PC's that can run 720p/1080p at good enough to mostly match a GF630/640. At that point, if that were to happen, prices will drop out the bottom of NUC-like devices that incorporate that.
Suddenly, it won't be $1k for a HTPC that can game, it'd be $500. Sure, it won't be high end and it ain't meant to be. It'll be HTPC-level quality with the option to take console ports and put them up on the big screen at acceptable framerates, which is all the nascent HTPC industry needs to shove consoles out of the value picture altogether. Reply
DanNeely - Monday, February 18, 2013 - linkI've seen rumors that GT3 will be a mobile only config which might slow the availability a bit; but previous generations of mobile parts have found their way onto miniITX sized boards before. Reply
ShieTar - Tuesday, February 19, 2013 - linkSomehow I doubt that the ~15W that Haswell reserves for its GPU will achieve the same performance as a 640 which can draw more than 100W under load.
There is a distinct chance that Haswell manages to exceed the current A10-5800K performance, and thus get to call itself "Good enough for certain games".
I think it will be completely sufficient if Haswell can play current Console-Ports on Full-HD, and then only have Broadwell or even Skylake be as capable as the next Gen consoles. Reply
Netscorer - Sunday, February 17, 2013 - linkTo call original Xbox 360 tolerable in terms of noise pollution is an understatement of the year. The only way to drown that noise was to play games even louder. If this thing is as noisy, I personally don't want it in my living room. Reply
beepboy - Monday, February 18, 2013 - linkI think the faceplate could be improved. Matte look, or even interchangeable colors/design will greatly improve the aesthetics. The base doesn't look very stable either. Reply
jnemesh - Monday, February 18, 2013 - linkI found the Revolt to be an excellent value compared to Alienware, Falcon NW, and other "boutique" shops offering compact gaming systems! I priced out an i7 3770K, Kraken cooling, 8GB Gskill RAM, 240GB Corsair SSD, 2TB storage drive, Nvidia "Signature Edition" GTX680, 500w power supply, and Windows 7 (I'm NEVER running 8!) for just under $2000 (it was about $2100 when I added a wireless "Phantom" keyboard and mouse).
I priced similar systems from Falcon NW and Alienware, and ended up paying about $500 more for a similar configuration! I also tried various shops with "standard" mini-tower case configurations, and they always were more expensive.
ibuypower seems to be offering a truly competitive price for the hardware they are including. Yes, I could build it myself and save a couple hundred dollars (with a regular case, mind you), but I doubt I would get the reliability and performance (or the warranty!) that I will get with their product. I am saving up now to buy mine! (probably pull the trigger in April) Reply
unhappyibuypowercustomer - Tuesday, March 12, 2013 - linkDO NOT buy from ibuypower.com The absolute worst customer service, hidden clauses not allowing no cost service repairs returns. Rude customer service person on the phone, interruting, called me a liar. Unity did not work out of the box. no shipping damage. They said it went through quality control but many mars scratches, things lose inside, rattling noise. I would spend more money at wal mart if i had to in order to avoid ibuypower.com Reply
Drittz121 - Friday, February 28, 2014 - linkJust do yourself a favor. STAY AWAY from this company. Yes they look good. But when it breaks and it WILL. All they do is give you the run around. They have had my system for over 2 months trying to fix the garbage they sell. Worse company out there for support. DONT BUY Reply


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With its second straight match in as many days, the top-ranked Florida women's tennis team looked as fresh as ever, posting its second-straight shutout victory to open the season, defeating Central Florida 7-0 at the Ring Tennis Complex on Wednesday.
The win also extends UF's consecutive dual match win streak to 24 matches and its 109th consecutive win at home, which is the longest active home win streak by any NCAA Division I women's team in any sport.
Much like Tuesday against USF, the Gators were able to win the doubles point over UCF, but not until being taken to the final doubles court to see how the first point of the day would be decided. The team then followed up the doubles win with an extra strong showing in singles, winning on all six courts in straight sets, even without All-American Lauren Embree.
"It was a difficult day to play with the win," Florida head coach Roland Thornqvist said. "We struggled a little bit in doubles at the beginning, but once we figured out that it wasn't going to be a perfect day to play, then we settled down. I thought we did a good job in singles, really. We talked about that in between doubles and singles to be able to compete; play hard and tough and do whatever it takes. It's one of those do whatever it takes days."
The Gators return to action on Saturday when they play host to Baylor beginning at 1 p.m. Admission is free.
MEN'S GOLF: Florida seniors Tyler McCumber and T.J. Vogel were both named to The Ben Hogan Award Watch List, the award committee in conjunction with the Golf Coaches Association of America announced today. Florida is one of five schools with multiple players on this year's list.
The Ben Hogan Award recognizes the outstanding male amateur and collegiate golfer of the year, taking into account all collegiate and amateur competitions during the past 12-month period. Former Gator Matt Every won the award in 2006.
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