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Fall Quilt Projects
Feature rich colors and autumn motifs in quilts, wall hangings, and table toppers that are perfect for the fall season.
Harvest Rows
Halloween hues and striped shashing set the tone for a scrappy quilt composed of vertical strips.
The Great Pumpkin
Assorted fall colors are the perfect combination in this folksy wall quilt.
Harvest Table
Using an abundance of prints in fall hues, whip up a Log Cabin table topper that has a Straight Furrows setting.
Maple Leaf Farm
Cultivate a trio of techniques—hand and machine appliqué and hand embroidery—on a throw that has a harvest theme.
Ease into Autumn
This showcase for fall-tone fabrics is fast to cut and quick to piece.
Apple Crisp
Brown sugar hues and a bounty of reds are sprinkled throughout a tantalizing throw featuring Snowball and Four-Patch blocks.
A Dash of Autumn
Look closely: There really aren't Churn Dash blocks in this quilt. It's the intersections of the asymmetrical block that create the appearance of Church Dash.
Fall Table Runner and Pumpkins
Stitch a fall theme table runner and trio of stuffed pumpkins for the perfect autumn table decorations.
Green Acres
Tiny Square-in-a-Square units look like perfectly manicured olive-green fields viewed from above.
Little Bit of Fall
Combine Four-Patch units into Nine-Patch blocks with sashing for a simple and traditional wall hanging.
Hex Marks The Spot
Hone your hand-sewing skills on a table topper featuring paper-pieced hexagons and simple hand-embroidery stitches.
Side Dish
Serve up a delightful asymmetrical quilt by wrapping a helping of Broken Dishes blocks with appliquéd and pieced borders on just two sides.
Posh Pumpkins
It's pumpkin season! Use plush fabrics for a fall display that can be enjoyed year after year.
Autumn Bliss
Enjoy the wonders of autumn year-round—without any raking. Appliqué wool oak leaves and acorns, and hand-quilt to create a stunning wall hanging.
Falling Leaves
This oh-sew-easy bed quilt makes creating curves a breeze when you learn the trick—fusible appliqué.
Go Nuts
Make a bunch of acorn-inspired felt pincushions and needle books, then squirrel them away for holiday gifts.
Autumn Spice
Black and cream prints work together to unify striking reddish hues ranging from paprika to cinnamon.
Orchard Lane
Time-saving strip piecing makes it easy to complete a Four-Patch quilt.
Shifts of Nature
Choose deep, rich batiks in inviting earth tones for a wall hanging with natural style. Play with a subtle shift of browns to provide a framework and make setting triangles stand out.
Flight of Geese
Gather a bevy of fall-tone prints for a seasonal throw that showcases the classic Flying Geese block.
Fun Fall Scene
Fun fall prints and wonky pieced blocks make up a whimsical autumn wall hanging. A pumpkin block in assorted oranges pops off the quilt for a bright seasonal design.
Rustic Zigzag Wall Hanging
Gold, brown, and rust fabrics combine beautiful to create a graphic fall wall hanging.
Fall Bouquet
Rich hues make the petals, stem, and leaves pop off the check background of this beautiful appliqué autumn wall hanging.
On the Fly
Fins, feathers, and fur fussy-cut from nature-motif fabrics punctuate the warm colors of this flannel throw made for anyone who loves the outdoors.
Natural Beauty
A woodsy quilt featuring faux wood-grain fabric and tree-ring-style quilting will have you yearning for the great outdoors.
Feels Like Fall
Mark autumn's arrival with a scrappy wall hanging of Flying Geese and pieced pumpkins. It's a great way to use up some of your stash.
Fall Leaves Table Topper
Use a fabric panel as inspiration for an autumn table topper. Choose prints in coordinating colors to frame the panel.
Fall Cat
Make this charming folk art wall hanging using fusible wool appliqué with buttons and rickrack for accents.
Nature's Canvas
Soften the look of a wall quilt with painterly prints showcasing brushstrokes, stamped designs, and unevenly drawn geometrics. Use a mix of floral, leaf, and bright pops of color for an artist's take on nature.
Soften the Edges
A vine appliqué gracefully climbs up the edge of these loose-woven linen curtains.
Fall Spice Bed Quilt
Select an assortment of fall-theme fabrics and sew hexagons into a cozy bed quilt.
Tumbling Leaves
Autumn's olive, ecru, and cinnamon tones drift indoors in this striking wall quilt. Two sizes of maple leaves are easily constructed with simple squares and triangles.
Shades of Autumn
Autumn appliqués are a perfect match for an easy-to-piece quilt. The Nine-Patch blocks and border triangles are quick to assemble with strip piecing. Blanket-stitching completes the look.
A New Leaf Table Runner
Get a jump on the season. Start and finish this simple table runner before fall's spectacular colors show begins.
Just a Dash Pillow
A single block composed of a stripe, dot, and swirling floral results in a sophisticated pillow.
Poppy Path
Two white prints form zigzag paths against a backdrop of red and orange florals for a beautiful wall quilt.
Maple Leaf Log Cabins
Each leaf in this wall hanging stands out from its low-contrast, neutral-tone frame.
What a Hoot Throw
Showcase one of fall's favorite animals: the owl! Strips cut from a variety of fabrics fit together like a puzzle to form a feathered friend. Plenty of open space on this quilt canvas means room for you to show off your creative quilting.Related Links
Scrappy Autumn Table Topper
This table topper is a kaleidoscope of fall colors! Chose high-contrast prints for the asymmetrical borders to give your quilt a scrappy quality.
Autumn Batik Table Topper
If combining colors is a challenge for you, turn to Mother Nature for inspiration. Batik fabrics in a variety of autumn colors, patterns, and textures are assembled into a square table topper.
Prickly Stars
A classic pattern yields star-studded results. Every Feathered Star block is made from different fabrics, perfect for using a multitude of scraps. Or, make uniform stars by limiting your fabric choices.
Autumn Splendor Table Runner
Capture the colors of autumn in an easy-to-piece table runner.
Harvest Table Topper
The warm colors in this table topper celebrate autumn's bounty.
Autumn Appliqué Table Topper
Appliqués in rich fall colors hold their own against a prominent gold-and-red homespun background.
Autumn Prairie Points Table Topper
Make an autumn-inspired table topper fit for a nature lover. The prairie points reinforce the fern fronds in the predominant print.
Pumpkin Patchwork
Halloween-print star blocks and diagonal borders swirl around a scrappy seasonal throw. Choose novelty prints in any theme--this is a great opportunity to dig into your fabric stash.
Pumpkin Panel Quilt
Begin with a panel and finish with a throw—just by adding borders. Here's a great way to use those scraps you've been saving!
Easy Triangles Table Runner
In each diagonal row of this table runner, triangles alternate between soft stripes and heathered solids in the Colorweaves collection from Marcus Fabrics.
One-Block Roundabout
With just one block surrounded by borders, you can create this wall hanging in no time!
Living in the Past
An antique quilt inspired the design of this appealing coverlet. Scrappy Ohio Star blocks and setting squares and triangles in warm brown prints bring a vintage flavor to the quilt.


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After long cook sessions I am getting lots of ash buildup in my firebox and I am pretty sure that is killing my airflow. Currently I have 3 paver bricks sideways across the bottom of the firebox then 4 bricks lengthwise 2 on each side which my grate rests on then I build my fire on that. Seems like I am having a super hard time keeping my fire going because the ash cant get past the bricks and is choking my airflow. I have bad problems keeping my fire going sometimes and lose my heat quick sometimes. When I beat on the firebox to help drop some ash away I always have ash drop out of the gap on the end vent.
Any budget friendly ideas that I could do to get rid of the bricks possibly and still keep my grades high enough in the firebox to get the heat at the mouth of the cooking chamber but yet allow the ash to drop down where I can maybe get some pulled out to keep airflow?

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John Baymore has been a professional studio potter for 45 years and currently fires a five chamber noborigama which was completed in 1981 at this studio in Wilton, New Hampshire. He just concluded serving both his term as the President of the Board of Dirctors of the Potters Council of the American Ceramic Society and as Immediate Past President of the Association. He has a family history in ceramics tracing back to the Cook and Mercer potteries in Trenton, NJ from the mid 1800s.
John began woodfiring his student work in 1969 in New Jersey in a small woodkiln he built at his home. John studied ceramics at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, and was first introduced to Japanese aesthetics and clay work when shown the black and white film, "The Village Potters of Onda" in his Ceramics 1 class. He has also attended classes at Massachusetts College of Art in Boston and Rivier College in Nashua, NH. In the past, John has taught continuing education classes at the Danforth Museum School (MA) and the Lee (MA) Art Center, continuing education and BFA/MFA credit courses at Massachusetts College of Art, and BFA/MFA credit courses at Boston University's Program in Artisanry. He is currently adjunct professor of ceramics at the New Hampshire Institute of Art in Manchester, New Hampshire, where he has been teaching ceramics studio and technical courses as well as ceramic art history in the undergraduate, certificate, and continuing education programs since the fall of 1995.
He has worked on on the New Hampshire Institute of Art's Curriculum Committee and acted as the chairperson of the NHIA Health and Safety Committee from 1998 through 2006. In AY2005-06 he was the school's part-time Academic Program Health and Safety Coordinator. He sat on NHIA's NASAD Accreditation Committee in 1999-2000. He has also worked as a member of the Leadership Advisory Team for the New Hampshire Department of Education.
John has been a presenter at NCECA conferences in Boston in 1984, in Columbus in 1999, in Portland in 2004, Seattle in 2012, and Providence in 2015. He has presented workshops for diverse organizations including such venues as the Alabama Clay Conference, the Harvard University Ceramics Program, Massachusetts College of Art, Boston University, Wellesley College, the Currier Museum of Art, the New Hampshire Potter's Guild, Emerson Umbrella Art Center, The Potter's Shop, Mudflat Studio, Clay Dragon Studio, New Hampshire Art Educator's Conferences, and a NJ State Teacher's Conference. He recently presented the keynote address for the New Hampshire Art Educator's Association annual meeting at the Currier Museum of Art in Manchester, NH.
A kiln design and technical consultant for Cutter-Eagle Ceramics from 1978 through 1984, John has been a professional kiln builder since 1973. He was the full-time ceramics technician at Massachusetts College of Art from 1974 through 1978. He has built numerous gas, wood, salt, and soda kilns for potters and craft centers over the years, as far away from home as Richmond, VA in the United States, and also in Japan. John was the online "Kiln Answer Man" for the CraftWEB Project in 1995. He has also done glaze development consulting for the Finer Decoration Division of Sherle Wagner International in 1982 through 1984.
In 2006, John designed and oversaw construction of a large wood kiln at the Kanayama Togei Kumiai in Goshogawara-shi, Japan where it joined the only other non-Japanese designed and built wood kiln installed there by Fred Olsen. During the summer of 2009, John was invited to return to Kanayama to lead the group of international artists in a month long project in building a large wood fired salt kiln. In 1979, John was a consultant for the living history museum, "Old Sturbridge Village" in Massachusetts, when they constructed a re-creation of a large colonial period wood fired bottle kiln.
John was an invited participant at the First Woodfiring Aesthetics Symposium held at the Japan Society in New York City in 1983, and was included in Gerry Williams' 1997 slide presentation on "Japanese Influences on American Ceramics" at the American Craft Museum in New York City.
He was the recipient of the Judge's Special Prize in the Mashiko Ceramics Competition in 1996, juried by Shimaoka Tatsuzo and Hamada Shinsaku, and was invited to Japan to receive that award. Both Joan Mondale (representing the US Ambassador to Japan) and the Assistant US Cultural Attache' to Japan attended the awards ceremony, formally representing the U.S. Government. This exhibition was also attended by the Emperor of Japan. In 2015, one of his handbuilt woodfired Chawan was used for koicha (thick tea) in a formal Tea Ceremony held at the world headquarters of the Uresenke tea school in Kyoto, Japan.
He was an invited presenter at the Aomori International Woodfire Festival in Japan in 2002, an event viewed by 37,000 Japanese citizens, and has also been guest lecturer at the prestigious Tokyo National University of Fine Art and Music (Geidai) in the summer of 2004 and again in 2008. In 2004, 2006, 2008, and 2009 John was an invited artist-in-residence at the Tsugaru Kanayama Ceramic Cooperative for the international woodfire festival programs held there. In the summer of 2013 John worked at the Kanayama studios producing a body of woodfired work. All in all, John has been invited to travel to Japan in the capacity as a professional ceramic artist on nine separate occasions in the past 15 years, and has lived in Japan for over 2 years.
John was a lecture presenter and demonstrating artist at the International Society for Ceramic Art Education and Exchange symposium held in Tokyo in the fall of 2011. In the spring of 2012 he traveled to MunGyeong, Korea as an invited presenter/participant in the MunGyeong Chasabal (teabowl) Festival. In the spring of 2013 he was a presenter at the 7th Yixing China Ceramic Culture and Art Festival. At that event he was appointed as a Visiting Professor at the Wuxi Institute of Arts and Technology in Yixing. He returned to the People's Republic of China in 2014 to present and exhibit at the 2nd World Tea Symposium in ChongQing. In 2014 he also was a presenter at the 64th Congress of the International Ceramics Society in Dublin, Ireland.
His work has been acquired for public collections in Japan including the Mashiko Pottery Museum, the Tokyo National University of Art and Music Collection, the Aomori Art Museum, the Goshogawara Art Museum, the Kanayama Resident Artists' Collection, and Hitachi Corporation headquarters. His work is in the private collections of many Japanese potters including Shimaoka Tatsuzo, Hamada Shinsaku, Matsuzaki Ken, Ogawa Hirohisa, Kondo Hiroshi, Shimada Fumio, Yokou Satoshi, Matsumiya Ryoji, and Shigetoshi Tsuji. His work is also in the collection of the MunGyeong Ceramics Museum in South Korea and the Yixing Ceramics Museum and the World Pottery Capital Ceramics Musueum, both in Yixing, People's Republic of China.
John was selected to be featured in Japanese journalist Yokota Masuo's 2001 Japanese language book on Americans who are greatly influenced by Japanese culture. Also published in the Japanese language, a kiln he built in Japan is featured as the cover shot of issue #79 of the "Aomori Journal" and he has a six page section about him in Matsumiya Ryouji's new book, "Clay, Fire, and a Stubborn Guy". John's influences from Japan are also mentioned in English in Yale University Press's "Encyclopedia of New England", and you can find his overglazed woodfired work which is influenced by Hamada Shoji's work, pictured in Paul Lewing's ACERS text, "Overglaze and China Paint". He was most recently featured in Amadeo Salamoni's new book, "Woodfired Ceramics ; 100 Contemporary Artists" and also "Kevin Hulch's new interactive iBook, "American iPotters".
Other text publications involve multiple inclusions in Maureen Mills', "Ceramic Surface Decoration", studio information and images in Steven Branfman's, "Potters Professional Handbook" and a listing in Yankee Magazine's, "Guidebook to New England Handcraft Centers". His work has appeared in Ceramics Monthly, The Log Book, Clay Times, Ceramic Industry, New Hampshire Magazine, and other magazines and newspapers. John has appeared on NHK Television News in Japan a large number of times, in a one hour RAB Television special (Japanese language for domestic use) produced on the Kanayama residency program, on WMUR Television's "Four O' Clock Focus", and on National Public Radio being featured speaking about ceramic toxicology issues in 1976.
Articles by John have appeared in Ceramics Monthly, The Log Book, The Crafts Report, the NCECA Journal, and other publications. In 1983, John was also a pre-publication content reviewer for Charlotte Speight's text, "Hands in Clay" and in 2005 for Steven Goldate's, "Dictionary of World Ceramic Art and Artists".
Recent exhibitions include an invitational solo exhibition at Chi-Lin Asian Arts Gallery in Meredith, NH in August 2010, "Seacoast Master Artists" invitational at Soo Rye Art Gallery in Rye, NH in July 2010, an invitational solo exhibition at the Thayer Academy Gallery in Braintree, Mass. in January of 2010, "Three in Clay" invitational at Chi-Lin Asian Arts Gallery in 2009, "Faculty Highlights" at the New Hampshire Institute of Art in 2005 through 2009, "The Vessel" invitastional at the Cunningham Gallery in Jaffrey, NH in 2004 and 2008, "International Resident Artists" at the Kanayama Togei Kumiai in Japan in 2004, 2006, 2008 , 2009, and 2010, at the Aomori International Woodfire Festival in Japan in 2002, and the 67th, 68th, 69th, 70th, and 71st "Regional Juried Exhibition" at the Fitchburg, MA Art Museum. Other recent exhibitions include the 2005 "Endless Variations" NCECA shino invitational in Baltimore, the "1st N.H Ceramics National Biennial", "Woodfire Potters Invitational" in Manitou Springs, CO, and "Our Cups Runneth Over" invitational at the Society of Arts and Crafts in Boston, where he also had a solo show in 2003. John was one of three invited wood-firing artists (along with Jon Keenan and Marc Lancet) when Tokai Gallery on Newbury Street in Boston held its first-ever showing of any non-Japanese ceramic artists in 2002. John has had work in 13 exhibitions in Japan since 1996.
He is a charter member of the Potter's Council of the American Ceramic Society, and a member of the American Craft Council, the International Society for Ceramic Arts Education and Exchange, NCECA, the New Hampshire Potters Guild, the Japan Society of Boston, Doshikai Iaido Dojo, and a state-juried level member of the League of New Hampshire Craftsmen.
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The first monks came to this quiet wooded valley just north of Boscobel in southwestern Wisconsin in June of 1986, and a small chapel was set up which was extremely poor outwardly, but inexplicably rich in God's blessings. After all, Christ was born in a poor and simple cave. Within a few months a whole group of people started to come to church. They came from the valleys and the hills around here as they were hungry for a real and meaningful life, a spiritual life, something not patterned after just this world. And it is no wonder that they came, because man was made for something holy, man was made for something great, man was made after a pattern, an image, a likeness...not just of flesh and blood, not of sticks and stones, but in His image—the icon, the Image and Likeness of God.
Founded in April 1987, this Mission church is dedicated to St. Nicholas, one of the most beloved Saints of the Church. St. Nicholas lived in Myra in Lycia in Asia Minor in the 4th century and his relics were later transferred to Bari, Italy in the 11th century. He is very beloved in both East and West. Known for his mercy and philanthropy, St. Nicholas was a staunch defender of the Faith, and is the patron of children and travelers. The Mission outreach is guided and helped by St. Nicholas' kind intercessions and frequent interventions in answer to prayers.
Those who come to the Mission to work, study, or worship, enter in some way into the life of the monastery which, according to the Fathers of the Church, is the perfect icon of the Christian life. The rhythm of the monastic services and Church Holy Days set the pattern by which all aspects of the life at the Mission and Skete revolve. Thus the Church's reckoning of time is the center of both the mission and the monastic life.
The many different aspects of the Holy Orthodox Mission are set to work together to try to water the deep wells of our spirit. The mission outreach helps, supports, and encourages the people that live in this area, and others across the country, with the ideal of a perfect God-centered life. Whether we are a monastic or a lay person, each of us must struggle to turn away from our selfishness and have a Godly life, true and lasting, and have this life abundantly.
The first thing the monks did when they arrived in this valley was to begin to teach people the Jesus Prayer: "Lord Jesus Christ, have mercy on me" or "Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner." They encouraged them to follow St. Paul's commandment to pray unceasingly, for St. Gregory Palamas instructed others to teach this prayer to every man, woman, and child. Through this prayer our lives are changed, our faith is enlivened, and we come to know the Lord who came to us through His Holy Incarnation, and through the holy icons, to bring us great hope and a true and fuller life.
Construction on the new Mission Church to St. Nicholas has progressed much since this new church was designed in October 2004 and was consecrated in September 2007. Much has been completed with a few projects still to be finished. Three domes are planned as is outward lighting and landscaping and a small West entry way to really finish the outward stucture so that this beacon of Orthodoxy will completely shine most beautifully on its lampstand.
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State of the Part: CPUsby Jarred Walton on 8/5/2014 8:55 PM EST
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jeffrey - Tuesday, August 05, 2014 - linkNice article Jarred! Reminds me of the Anandtech days of old.., very well done in concept and execution. Reply
RU482 - Tuesday, August 05, 2014 - linkI was just thinking the same thing. I like and appreciate occasional articles that can cater to the beginners and the old hats in the room! Reply
TETRONG - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - linkI think what would be neat is to compare several generations of processors in order to see how things have changed and reveal where things are stagnating.
Imagine plotting a PentiumIII vs. Core 2 Quad vs. i7-E vs. Xeon, etc... all performing some fundamental test and scaling the graphs appropriately to give a sense of how far we've come and to extrapolate where we'll most likely be by lets's say 2025 if things continue along the same course.
Would also be interesting to reveal where the biggest bottleneck is in terms of future computing. Is it the power consumed? Motherboard/Interconnect technology? Data Storage? Graphics not communicating effectively back to CPU? Programming paradigms, etc... What is holding us back from making an exponential leap?
Greater integration? Harnessing of molecules? Nano-photonics?
What's the most promising future direction... Reply
mkozakewich - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - linkThey did something like that last year with the Mac Pro line. Reply
basroil - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - linkTomshardware also did a 25 chip test for the last decade of computing... though I don't think the anadtech storage locker is big enough to house 25 full desktop builds with dives, memory and all. It's pretty normal graph though, basically GFLOP+GPU GFLOP= performance, Windows is actually pretty good at masking the memory and transfer issues when dealing with games. Reply
TETRONG - Thursday, August 07, 2014 - linkThank you, I'll look into that.
Just curious because I've had a PentiumIII 450 that seemed pretty potent and now it's all these years later and it's like what have we really gained besides a few more seconds.
I think the big story here is frequency.. Anand really needs to report on why frequencies have stagnated and what we can do to get them climbing again. We really need to break 8GHz within the next five years or something has gone terribly wrong.
We've been treated to story after story for the past fifteen years about breakthrough after breakthrough and yet it never seems to trickle down into tangible product.
Billions of transistors are nice but frequency across the chip is ultimately more important imo. Reply
jjj - Tuesday, August 05, 2014 - linkCan you specify if the system cost excludes a discrete GPU for chips with integrated GPU and how much is the discrete GPU when included?
It doesn't make much sense how the ranking shifts when you look at system costs, if you factored in a flat system cost.. The ranking should not change , just the differences should be muted so can you explain what you did or verify that you didn't messed up the math? As it is right now it seems just wrong when compared to just the CPU ranking.
Anyway , using a flat system cost is also not at all a good way to look at things, total costs tend to be proportional with the CPU cost. We do aim for a balanced system in w/e budget so comparing just the chips is closer to reality than comparing with a flat cost for the system.
It also seems that the GPU perf per $ AMD offers over Intel is much higher than the CPU perf per $ Intel offers over AMD. Maybe AMD should shift a bit of die area (or thermal budget) from GPU to CPU although that is unlikely before the new cores.
When i started reading kinda hoped i'll see some die size per price and die size per perf numbers too, maybe next time. Reply
jjj - Tuesday, August 05, 2014 - linkSo at this point i assume that in perf per system costs you went for a flat system cost without even adding the cost of the CPU.
So take a 300$ CPU but factor in 350$ system cost without adding the 300$ for the CPU and that made that ranking defy logic. Reply
jjj - Tuesday, August 05, 2014 - linkyeah that's what you did, note how similar the ranking for pure CPU perf without price and the one for CPU perf per system price are. The LGA 2011 shifts but all else stays so you just don't factor in the CPU cost at all.( again even factoring that in is not a good way to do it and just CPU/price is a better)
Sorry for the triple posting but non edit. Reply
JarredWalton - Tuesday, August 05, 2014 - linkActually, the relative ranking can shift quite a bit with the entire system cost. It's easy enough to see why:
Say CPU 1 has performance of 1.0 and costs $100 with a base system cost of $400. That gives a CPU performance/price ratio of 1 (scaling by 100) and a system performance/price ratio of 0.25. Say CPU 2 has twice the performance and twice the cost, with a total system price of $500. The CPU performance/price is still 1, but the system performance/price is now 0.4.
Basically looking at the total system cost, unless the total scales linearly with price, faster CPUs will be relatively better vs. just looking at the cost of the CPU alone. Reply
jjj - Tuesday, August 05, 2014 - linkI am sorry, not sure if this is intentional or you really don't get it. if it is intentional that it shows how deeply corrupted Anadtech is.
You are comparing CPU perf to the cost of bananas in Bnagladesh.
You take a 320$ CPU of perf X and do perf per 350$ then you take a 100$ CPU of perf Y and do perf per 350$. You don't include the cost of the CPU at all, you just do perf per cost off all the other parts excluding CPU and that cost is rather random. This is why the only change from perf reanking that does not include price is a penalty for LGA2011.
The result has NOTHING at all to do with cost
I mean,you take a "system cost "of 450$ for a machine where just the CPU is 1k$ instead of factoring in 1450$.
I really hope you correct and republish this because otherwise ,it's just too obvious Reply
SymphonyX7 - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - linkThe only things obvious here are the following:
1) You're incapable of cost-benefit analysis if you can't even figure something as simple as the one in this article.
2) You're not clear about what you're trying to get across. What is your point? You just scaled the price of the other components based on the price of the CPU. It's entirely possible to have either a $300 i7-4790 or $60 Pentium G3220 while the rest of the components stay in the $350 range. He's isolating the CPU's performance.
3) You can't even be bothered to proofread. You come in here talking like someone from primary/elementary school. Reply
jjj - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - linkYes it is true that i can't be bothered to proof read a comment here when i am way busy at 6 am and after all English is my 3rd language so maybe ii even made some mistakes not just typos but at least my logic is above 3rd grade.
You must be very pleased that you got to say cost benefit analysis but if you think this way is reasonable then you clearly need a dictionary.or go Google for it- if we are being rude and all.
With that said he might not have made the mistake i assumed he did but since the article doesn't provide clear numbers and details it seems way off. However the chart is still way off compared to reality and pretty sure it doesn't include a discrete GPU where there is no on die GPU.
It s possible but very unlikely for a 100$ CPU to be paired with 16-32GB of RAM and a 700-1000W PSU and so on, while it is is very likely that a 1k CPU will have a lot more RAM and bigger PSU. A fixed cost for the other parts makes only sense if you try to distort the results. Any reasonable system guide provides a balanced system at a certain budget. If Anandtech was Intel's marketing team it would be ok , we are used with such tricks but it would be nice to a different behavior. Reply
JarredWalton - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - linkThe performance relative to system cost was scaled as I stated in the article: the base cost of the system was estimated at $350 for all of the systems except for LGA2011, which was estimated at $450 (thanks to the more expensive motherboards). Add to that cost the price of the CPU, so the Extreme CPUs end up priced around $800-$1500 for the complete system while the budget CPUs end up priced around $400-$500 for the complete system.
I'm sorry if that wasn't entirely clear in the article, but this was intended as more of an introduction and overview than an in-depth look at every facet of CPUs. It's for people that say, "Hey, if I'm looking at a new system, what's the best bang for the buck and roughly how much faster is chip X compared to chip Y?" We already have plenty of lengthier content, so this sort of article is designed to cater to a wider audience.
As far as the inclusion of discrete GPUs, the data comes from CPU Bench so everything obviously has to have some sort of GPU. In the case of CPUs that don't have on-die graphics, I believe Ian uses an entry level GPU like an HD 7450 similar. Most of the CPU-centric tests don't hit the GPU much, so as long as we're not throwing in a high-end GPU the overall performance should be consistent. We do not have any performance figures for discrete GPUs in our graphics section of test -- at least not that I used (there are SLI and CF numbers, but not with all systems and that would be more of a look at GPU performance than CPUs).
Finally, regarding what sort of system a person would build, of course most people buying a high-end CPU aren't going to use low cost parts elsewhere, but if we then scale the supposed cost of a system by what parts it might use -- "No one would use a 128GB SSD with an i7-4960X; let's equip that system with two 512GB SSDs in RAID 0!" -- we run into a completely different problem. We have to use a baseline cost somewhere if we are to estimate performance/price for a CPU, and I'd argue strongly that using the minimum reasonable cost is a far better choice than going with a higher spec system. If we did the latter, who would actually use a 512GB SSD and a GTX Titan Z with an A6 APU or Pentium CPU? The reverse (using a high-end CPU with a moderate SSD) is far more likely -- there are compute workstations that I've used that do exactly that.
Hope that helps clarify things. Reply
teiglin - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - linkFWIW, Jarred, I thought your value analysis was clear and completely agree that you did things in a reasonable way (not to say that there aren't other reasonable ways, but you can only do so much in a short form article). Obviously people have to make their own personal decisions based on the systems they're looking at, but even as someone who has been building his own computers for almost 20 years now, I still found this a good read and will definitely point newer builders here for easy reference. Thanks! Reply
dananski - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - linkI agree. It seemed obvious why the minimum total build price for each cpu was considered, and why it would result in the dramatic reordering of relative value - I don't think Jarred really needed to spell it out, but maybe something got lost in translation for jjj.
Cool article. Reply
Flunk - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - linkI think Symphony is right, your logic is flawed. The very idea that anyone could be comparing the chips means that you can isolate other system costs. If they were to prepare a chart with totally different system configurations for each system it would be totally useless.
Anandtech is sponsored by AMD so I don't understand why you think they're favouring Intel. The truth here is that AMDs chips are not competitive in CPU performance Reply
seapeople - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - linkActually, Anandtech is sponsored mostly by Third World Press, and that's why they use so much descriptive poetry in their reviews. It also explains the heavy bias against E-Readers, since Third World Press wants to covertly steer electronic customers toward their papial regime rather than the e-readial consumption mechanism. Reply
HanzNFranzen - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - linkyeesssss YEESSSS.... Jarred is CORRUPT.. and DRUNK with POWWWWERR! The next stop? THE WORLD!!! Mmmmuuuuahahahahaha!!! And you caught him jjj, the readers are forever in your debt!
I thought it was a great article and very informative. I really liked the charts that showed direct comparisons of system performance relative to the i3 (cpu and graphics) I mean, we already knew that Intel had a cpu advantage and AMD had the graphical advantage, but it is really nice to see just how much of a difference there is between multiple processors (and even intel to intel/amd to amd comparison) all in one chart. Thank you for the write up, and please let me know if you're in need of a side kick on your quest for world domination, as every super villain needs one. Reply
jjj - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - linkAnandtech is corrupt ,the question is how much. It's not all that obvious but it's there.
Just accepting to publish sponsored posts is corruption and compromises it's integrity (just because everybody is doing it doesn't mean it's acceptable). Today we have seen benchmarks for a Snapdragon 805 device and ofc the devices it was compared to were hand picked to exclude some key competitors.
Often Anandtech looks at a certain technology but only talks with one provider of that technology about it, ignoring the competition and basically just advertising that one provider.. Sometimes certain benchmarks are ignored because that particular product doesn't do well there.
But mostly it's about what the product reviewed is compared against and small tricks to make it look good. And when was the last time a review here didn't had a conclusion that was overall positive and when was the last time certain companies had a negative conclusion to a review?
How about Asus, any Asus product gets it's own news item and there are lots of Asus reviews while lots of lots of products that are far more relevant don't even get mentioned.Intel is similar and when AMD started paying for it's own section it started getting far more extensive coverage.
I doubt it's about money , it's most likely more about getting access but that doesn't make it ok.
So yes , without any doubt Anandtech is not objective and it's been going downhill for some years now, why it's less and less reliable , that's hard to say for sure. Reply
Impulses - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - linkI think you need to draw us a flowchart for all the payola Anand is taking, at this point I can't figure what poor beleaguered company you're trying to defend from Anandtech's sheer corruption but I'm sure there's one... Clearly it'll make all the sense in the world once you spell it out for the rest of the blinded readership. Reply
Klug4Pres - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - linkThere is actually truth in what jjj says here. It is "the Way of the World" these days. To call it corruption is too harsh though.
I mean, a whole new section on "Wearables", with giveaways etc.? This is just marketing push, pure and simple.
Unfortunately, it is a game that realistically has to be played, because I don't see the readership reaching into their pockets to fund independent journalism.
As for this article, in my experience, with every component in computing, you tend to get say 75-90% of the performance starting at around 30-50% of the cost of the "ultimate" must-have part. When putting a system together, that can quickly add up to a lot of money.
Obviously, when considering each individual component, if you hold the rest of the system price constant, then the marginal cost of upgrading that single part doesn't seem very significant.
More often than not, it is best to focus on what you want to do with the system, and consider the trade-offs in terms of "what-I-want/need to do" / price. Often it comes down to features and market segmentation rather than performance, e.g. AES-NI is a great CPU feature that really helps if you want to do software encryption on your storage. However, when you realise Intel wants to charge you $50 for that, and the federal government will just waterboard you if they want your password, or take you out in a drone strike, you figure it may not be worth that much to you. VT-D and ECC RAM are other features that cost little to produce, but cost a fortune in the marketplace (from Intel), mostly as increased platform cost. Would I like ECC RAM? Sure. Do I want to pay for it?
Sadly, my data is mostly of little value, even those supposedly priceless "family photos". Reply
jibberegg - Tuesday, August 05, 2014 - linkGreat, really accessible summary article! Enjoy the in-depth analysis of course, but the holistic view presented here in neat. Thanks! Reply
evilspoons - Tuesday, August 05, 2014 - linkIn addition to total system cost vs just the price of the processor, how does AMD stack up vs Intel in terms of long-term cost of ownership? The AMD parts look more power-hungry. I suppose most people's systems spend most of their time sitting around doing not-very-much-at-all, so it's probably based on local power costs and idle power usage, but power consumption over however many years you have the chip could be interesting. Reply
takeship - Tuesday, August 05, 2014 - linkThe question to ask now for long term cost with AMD is: will they even be around in 2 years? Intel is a pretty safe bet, but when it comes time for updated drivers for Windows 9...will team Red still be supporting...anything? Reply
bill5 - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - linkErr, CPU's dont need drivers. Reply
nathanddrews - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - linkErr, sorta:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulldozer_(microarchi... Reply
DarkXale - Sunday, August 10, 2014 - linkThe kernel needs to 'understand' quirks of the CPU - but after that there is no maintenance involved. Reply
duploxxx - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - linkthat question has been asked already for the past 10 years... so go figure.
Is Intel a safe bet? they are so marketing dominant that they can decide wathever they want what to support and not, they decide what OEM are allowed to bring to market and what not. Consumers are the one to blame here and are the ones to suffer. THis article once again shows the vlaue proposition which should apply for a huge amount of buyers. But many are fooled by the sales guys in the mega shopping markets or the djingle and brand name :)
On the drivers side, look at the GPU drivers from Intel and AMD and you know which one has lots of work to be done... Reply
JarredWalton - Tuesday, August 05, 2014 - linkOutside of the AM3+ and LGA2011 platforms, unless you're running CPU intensive workloads for a significant amount of time, the power costs won't be all that different. But AM3+ will generally use the most power at idle (on the quad-module parts). Cost of repairs due to unreliable parts will mostly come from failed motherboards and other components in my experience, and I couldn't say whether AMD is any better or worse than Intel in that area. Reply
ridic987 - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - linkhttp://images.anandtech.com/doci/8312/CPU-performa...
The dollar symbol in the first graph makes it very confusing. Your graphs would also be easier to interpret if you included the value which corresponded to each product such as 1.00 for the i3-4330. Reply
Awful - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - linkAny chance we could get a couple of overclocked processers on the charts too to see where they really fit (I assume most people who read this are going to be enthusiasts who will have k processors overclocked somewhat. Maybe an i5-2500k, i7-3770 and i7-4790? Reply
Impulses - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - linkI understand why that's not done often, but I agree it'd be neat. Reply
JarredWalton - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - linkWe'd need to have updated figures from the relevant parts, and unfortunately we don't have that for many of the older CPUs. Basically, I think Devil's Canyon and the Pentium AE are the only CPUs with a good set of performance data. Reply
bill5 - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - linkwhy not a 8350 in this article? Kind of an odd selection of CPU's such as the secondary part the 8320. Reply
monstercameron - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - linkfrom what I see this was supposed to be an easy read, not an in-depth analysis. Reply
JarredWalton - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - linkCPUs were eliminated based on those that didn't have enough recent benchmark results. The 8320 and 8350 are very similar in performance, but the 8320 had quite a few more results so I used it and left off the 8350. I did include a few CPUs that don't have very many results, mostly because they're important parts -- the i5-2500K and i7-3770K for example only have results in about half of the benchmarks IIRC. Ideally we'd have all results for all CPUs, but that would require a lot of time just to get Bench updated with those numbers. Reply
robgiorgi - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - linkCan you also show the Performance/Watt bars (they could be derived by the Performance bars since for each one you indicate the Watt peak). Even more interesting would be (but requires a actual power measurement) to show the Performance/Energy bars where the Energy should be the exact energy that is spent to get the given performance bar !
Thanks for the article ! Reply
JarredWalton - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - linkUnfortunately we don't have clear power use numbers for the various systems, particularly for the performance workloads being tested. CPU Bench has Idle and Load for some of the chips, but what we'd really want is a viable "average power" or "power used across all benchmarks" and we don't have that. Reply
Richard Wolf VI - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - linkCan you please include results for the lower-cost Core i5s, such as the 4460? I would like to know if they offer an even better price/performance ratio than the 4690 or 4590. Reply
JarredWalton - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - linkUnfortunately I'm limited to what we have tested here, and most of the i5 and i3 parts are missing -- or for those we do have, they only have a small selection of results. I'll most likely provide an update about once a quarter for this information, or perhaps a few weeks after any major CPU/APU launch. Reply
Richard Wolf VI - Friday, August 08, 2014 - linkNo problem, thanks for the reply! Reply
dgingeri - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - linkWhat this shows is that AMD really needs to step up their game. They need to take their current Piledriver design, take out the "second processor" half, (meaning, the second set of integer pipelines and the logic that makes them look like two separate cores) and put out 4 to 8 of those cores per processor. They might catch up to Intel then, at least partially. This idea of sharing the FP unit and decoders just didn't work. Reply
mmrezaie - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - linkIt could work if they have invested in compiler/driver (and generally software), but I think right now they are in panic mode, and we cannot expect anything serious coming out of them until 2016 (plus delays). Reply
TiGr1982 - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - linkWell, at least, it seems that AMD realised that their Bulldozer concept with shared FPU did not play out well.
Because their last Bulldozer-derived pure CPU (with no GPU) was (is) Piledriver-based FX (same for server Opterons), so that only APUs go beyond Piledriver (as current Steamroller-based Kaveri).
More than that, there are *rumours*, that the last generation of construction microarch, Excavator, won't even make it to the desktop APUs - Excavator-based Carrizzo supposedly will be released only for laptops (and dense servers).
Another *rumours* are out there that beyond Excavator AMD will release some new non-modular CPU microarch, presumably in 2016, so that the whole lineup of microarchs with shared FPUs will be on the market only from 2011 (Bulldozer) till 2015 (Excavator).
But take these *rumours* with the grain of salt - this is just what is written on the Web, but the validity of this info unconfirmed. Reply
DanNeely - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - linkCould we have a similar article for laptop chips in the near future? The splits between Haswell/Baytrail and Kaveri/Beema should make the CPU table a bit more interesting; and you've got a wider spread on Intel IGP performance as well. I'm not sure if the spread on amd's mobile IGPs is wider than for desktops or not. Reply
JarredWalton - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - linkI'd love to be able to provide that, but unfortunately we don't have quite the same level of data -- and we're missing many of the low-end CPUs/APUs. Another issue is that laptops are reviewed as entire systems, so the presence or lack of an SSD can really skew certain results, not to mention the amount of RAM, inclusion of a dGPU (and which GPU is used), etc.
It would be good to have a power/battery life graph as well, but again: the OEM of the laptop can really mess things up -- I have literally seen two laptops with the same CPU and chipset where one is nearly twice as power efficient as the other, simply because of poor optimizations and/or component choices by one OEM (and good choices by the other OEM).
Anyway, it's definitely something I want to look at, but I'm not sure yet how useful we can make it given the current set of information in Mobile Bench. Tablets and smartphones are another area we want to look at with this sort of article, and they have some of the same problems as laptops, but I think they tend to be a little more consistent on the battery life at least. Reply
garadante - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - linkWould it ever be possible to add a new section to the mobile bench to allow people to search for specific CPUs/GPUs? The data might not be 100% accurate comparison between best case scenarios between parts, due to thermal constraints, but it would still be helpful. Even having certain parts performing lower than you'd expect to see is useful because you know that thermals play a significant role for that part. I know there have been many, many times when I wish I could sort through all the mobile bench information by CPU or GPU to get roughly appropriate comparisons. Reply
BreezeDM - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - linkI like the system cost price ratio. Adding $100 to the LGA2011 made the price per performance is realistic. I did a quick check cheapest LGA2011 motherboard is $200, Z97 is $90. And if you spend $30 for memory on Z97, then it becomes $60 for LGA2011. That totals $140 price difference, $100 is probably close enough because you probably could find lower numbers than I did. Reply
DanNeely - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - linkFor memory, you don't have to populate all 4 channels on an LGA2011; and unless you go with a 6/8 core model it's not going to matter outside of benchmarks. Lastly if you're trying to match specs as much as possible while populating the extra slots 4 half capacity dimms are a lot closer in price than a 2x multiplier ($70 vs $85 for 8gb) Reply
Gadgety - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - linkExcellent piece. I've been looking into the A8-7600 for a family HTPC that could do a little bit more, at 45W in a passively cooled case. Being in Europe this particular APU is a little bit overpriced, even compared to the A10-7850k, due to a different pricing structure relative to the US, so the graphic performance/price numbers don't look quite as good. Having waited 8 months for its release, I can still wait a few more until the pricing is more favourable. Reply
ovigo - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - linkJarred, your unit in the first system cost table is wrong. It should not contain the $ as unit but be unitless as it is either normalised or in (benchmark points) PER dollar. Reply
TiGr1982 - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - linkJarred,
Core i5-4670K average CPU performance on the first chart is too low; it's inconsistent with Core i5-4690(K) which is only 100 MHz faster but way faster on your chart.
I guess it has to do something with the fact that they were tested 1 year apart in time (different SW versions?)
Realistically, on your chart, if Core i5-4690(K) slightly outperform Core i7-2600K on average, then Core i7-4670K should almost reach Core i7-2600K - if this will be the case, then everything will be consistent, IMHO. Reply
TiGr1982 - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - linkTo fix i5-4670K, IMHO, it suffices just to slightly scale down the result of i5-4690, according to their CPU frequencies. Reply
JarredWalton - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - linkThe problem is that the i5-4670K was not tested on as many benchmarks as the i5-4690K, and apparently the tests where it wasn't run tend to be more favorable. To be specific, there are 11 of the 29 CPUs/APUs that were only tested on about half of the benchmarks. Reply
TiGr1982 - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - linkOK, thanks for the reply :) Reply
nekoken - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - linkIf you think Anandtech is corrupt and going downhill, stop reading it. I've found Anandtech to have an occasional bias. I think you could say the same for any review/reporting agency, profit or non-profit. If you perceive a bias it isn't exactly difficult to take it into account when reading the article.
I sure wish there was a way to block seeing annoying posters in the comments. Reply
mpbrede - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - linkJared, nicely done/ I've been hoping for something like this for a while. :)
One more thing I think you can usefully add: If you factor in running costs for the various CPUs over a 1-year period, what does it work out to then in therm of value for performance? Reply
Hrel - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - linkIt's really frustrating that when you talk about price you don't include the added cost of running AMD vs Intel. They cost more to keep on, they draw more power. No, it's not a LOT of money, but $5-$15 every year adds up.
The computer industry being how it is today it's totally realistic to run those numbers out 10 years. At which point the small dollar amounts aren't so small anymore.
I'd really like to see cost of electricity, based US national average (which I believe is about 10c/KWH right now), worked into these "performance/dollar" calculations. It colors things even further in Intel's favor. Reply
Hrel - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - linkPS, looking at the architecture maps. Why does AMD's look like a toddler started breaking blocks to fit them together? Intel's is all symmetrical and clean. AMD's is sloppy and inefficient. Reply
JarredWalton - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - linkProbably because a toddler (me) did the blocks on the AMD die shot. Hahaha... Thanks. I'm going to go cry in a corner now. ;-)
As for the cost of running the systems over the course of years, well, that all depends on what sort of workloads you're running. With the systems powered on (and not really doing much other than web surfing/office work), AMD's APUs generally consume less power than Intel's CPUs. The FX-series CPUs are a different matter of course, and the same goes for LGA2011 Intel systems
While we don't have idle numbers for all of the systems (so I couldn't really provide data on this aspect of the CPUs/APUs), you can at least get a reasonable idea of power use from Legit Reviews' latest article on the 65W Kaveri parts:
Assuming 12 hours of day of moderate use (so let's say 80% idle, 20% load), using their numbers you'd spend about $27 per year running the i7-4790K compared to $14-$17 running the Kaveri platforms. I don't think most people are really going to care about spending $1 extra per month for a faster PC, and of course anyone using a discrete GPU will increase the power cost of having the system on by another $0.50-$1.00 even if they never use the dGPU for gaming.
TL;DR: Power costs really only matter if you're running the systems at load most of the time (e.g. servers), and if that's the case performance often matters even more. That's my opinion at least. :-) Reply
et20 - Thursday, August 07, 2014 - linkThis is an excellent article.
Thank you so much for writing it, Jarred.
Could you please add a couple of scatter plots with price and performance axes?
Most products usually fit close to one of two asymptotes and the sweet spot is at their intersection point. Reply
JarredWalton - Thursday, August 07, 2014 - linkI talked about this with Anand; basically, I find scatter plots to be more advanced and difficult to understand, and as this was targeting the "easy to grok" crowd I opted for simple bar charts. Still, if you want a scatter plot, here's the performance vs. system cost plot:
What's amazing to me is how little AMD has changed on the CPU performance curve for the past several generations of APUs. Granted, the graphics plot would look better, but still... Of course, there are plenty of use cases where having more than 2 CPU cores isn't all that important. Reply
duploxxx - Monday, August 11, 2014 - linkJarred, true on the CPU part of AMD, but if you look at the power draw you can actually see that they did make a lot of improvements on power/perf while not able to have the most high tech fabs and process...
And statement again, how much CPU is really needed for day time tasks? have been reading for approx 1 hour some articles on anandtech, did i really needed my fancy i7 for that? Reply
mapesdhs - Monday, August 11, 2014 - linkSurely though you have power saving features, etc., turned on, so while doing simple tasks
your i7 is hanging back, not drawing power it doesn't need? In that state, an i7 isn't much
different from the other CPUs. Efficient oc'ing then depends on using dynamic vcore, which
is a bit more difficult, but well worth the learning curve (good piece about it on the ROG site).
Jarred, consider yourself awared numerous medals just for using the word, 'grok'. :D
Ian. Reply
mutantmagnet - Thursday, August 07, 2014 - linkI'm confused about why you would ONLY want to include the cost of discrete GPU for the FX Cpus. Some AM3 boards do come with it on board. You could've had both.
I could see why you would want to avoid comparing CPUs after overclocking to ensure this suitable for all audiences but I think a concession should've been made here if you are going to compare what's left of the FX-series landscape. Reply
JarredWalton - Thursday, August 07, 2014 - linkI included a $50 dGPU in the cost of both the AM3+ and LGA2011 platforms. That's mostly because I figure anyone buying an AM3+ or LGA2011 rig are going to use a discrete GPU. The AM3+ boards that have integrated graphics are basically very old and slow IGPs at this stage in time. And really, I don't expect most people to buy either platform these days, as they've both been around for some time and neither one is due for any additional updates that I know of. Reply
know of fence - Friday, August 08, 2014 - linkMy approach to the big picture would be to find a fair point of comparison. AMD APUs offer the (single thread) performance of Nehalem CPUs (the one before Sandy Bridge), so even though AMD builds are viable they are about 4 to 5 years less "future proof", but they have well balanced power efficiency, come with better graphics and a significantly smaller markup. Desktop Kaveri APUs basically match the CPU performance of a mainstream MOBILE Haswell CPU clocked at around 2 GHz.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/191?vs=1200 Reply
nand - Saturday, August 16, 2014 - linkperformance per watt ratio is not to be forgotten for a long term effect on electricity bills... Reply


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Windows Phone 7.5 "Mango" - Mobile IE 9 Browser Exploredby Brian Klug on 5/26/2011 5:06 AM EST
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erwos - Thursday, May 26, 2011 - linkCongrats to Microsoft - if they can improve those load times, they might have the browser to beat in the mobile space.
I recently skipped WP7 for Android in my last phone search, but I really think that WP7 might be the key contender when I upgrade again next year. Reply
nitrousoxide - Thursday, May 26, 2011 - linkIt's run on emulator. So the benchmark doesn't represent final product's performance. Reply
niva - Thursday, May 26, 2011 - linkAgreed about the next device, my N95 recently died due to me dropping it after many years of usage. When the Nokias with WP7 come out I'll be looking at them real hard. In the meantime I'm trying to get comfortable with Android and I'm not too disappointed. Reply
eddman - Thursday, May 26, 2011 - linkI thought it's now called 7.1, not 7.5. Which one is it then? Reply
robbase29a - Thursday, May 26, 2011 - linkit's 7.1 i think it's just a mistake in the article. Reply
niva - Thursday, May 26, 2011 - linkI heard the same, a bit confused too. Reply
hvakrg - Thursday, May 26, 2011 - linkPault Thurott brought up a good point about this a couple of days ago. Windows 7 is actually Windows 6.1 if you look at the build numbers.
So it'l probably build number 7.1, but marketed as Windows Phone 7.5 or just Windows Phone. Reply
KTGiang - Thursday, May 26, 2011 - linkIt's officially Windows Phone as of right now. All of the current numbers say 7.1 but I believe in another article from another site says that IE9 runs on 7.5. So, on release it should be 7.5 but does it really matter? It's the Mango update. Microsoft is probably trying to drop the numbers and have it "Windows Phone" for consumers. The tidbits and numbers behind it all is just going to make average consumers feel like they're outdated if MS ever chooses to not allow an update go through to their phone due to a lack of hardware. I doubt that would happen but its quite a lot to say when you start adding in fractions. Obviously MS is going for the "complete" look rather than... fragmentations. Reply
Nataku - Thursday, May 26, 2011 - linkwindows phone 7.5 was actually in one of the picture as brian mentioned
then on another site i saw another pic of 7.1 so im guessing it's up there just to keep ppl guessing lol, but like KTGiang said they'll probably drop the numbers for completeness Reply
notebookgrail - Thursday, May 26, 2011 - link7.1 - Its the WP Developer Tools version #.
7.5 - Its the OS revision #. Though, MS decided to just call it Windows Phone. Reply
davepermen - Thursday, May 26, 2011 - linkas it's the only one that can take AGES to navigate on wp7.
try to read an article till the bottom, then chose the link to the next page, and then read that to the bottom, and then next page etc.. it can take over a minute to load + make the link clickable (and has huge delay in doing so).
you're one of the few pages i read on a mobile that behaves that slow. hope mango fixes that finally.
in your load time, try it out with browsing more than one page (as noted above, try to read an article). it should be much slower then. Reply
Shadowmaster625 - Thursday, May 26, 2011 - linkomg thats horrid. I knew these crapphones were bad but not that bad. I would like to see more side by side desktop browsing vs smartphone browsing comparisons. Reply
Griswold - Thursday, May 26, 2011 - linkGet shot Reply
davepermen - Friday, May 27, 2011 - linkas i said, only on anandtech.com, other than that, the phone is very fast, perfectly smooth and a great experience. Reply
KTGiang - Thursday, May 26, 2011 - linkAnyway you can elaborate more? Such as your device/service etc? I am really confused as I am currently using the HTC Arrive on Sprint and I do not have any of the issues you mention. The load times are less than a minute and I have no issues with the links not loading quickly. The only issues I have that bothers me is when it starts to load a page with images, it sometimes blanks out the whole page for a fraction of a second and continues to load where it left off before that. It isn't even an issue.
Are you using it with 6 tabs open? Clearly, when you're directing towards anandtech.com itself, it might be good to make sure your post is obvious about it. From the other reply you got, it seems like the user believes it is all websites and the phone's fault as a whole. Though, for whatever reason, they had a bad opinion of the Windows Phone in the first place. I personally would hardly call WP a "crapphone". I also believe that they don't know about how articles are handled because this is just a report of news anandtech gets and writes for us. They have no direct influence of what comparisons they can make until they actually have the device in hand. Reply
davepermen - Friday, May 27, 2011 - linksamsung omnia 7. no tabs open.
and no, it's just anandtech.com, and i thought i was quite clear about it.
i love my wp7 and it's fast for about everything else. it's just that page, reading articles on it is hell. Reply
LaMpiR - Thursday, May 26, 2011 - linkGuys, it is 7.1, not 7.5? Reply
drothgery - Thursday, May 26, 2011 - linkNo, it's 7.5. All the internal version number reporters are 7.5, and almost all of the marketing promos with a release number say 7.5. It's true the dev tools package is called 7.1, but it seems much more likely that 7.5 will be the final name. Reply
ts1279 - Thursday, May 26, 2011 - linkYou state that separate tiles for each inbox is a new feature. Unfortunately, it isn't.
Separate tiles for each email account is currently the only way that Windows Phone 7 can operate.
The good news (i guess) is that they have different, fancy icons for each service based on their logos.
Definately looking forward to just having a unified "mail" tile. Reply
Operative Me - Thursday, May 26, 2011 - linkI believe the article is less clear than what was shown at the event.
You can combine your mailboxes to get a unified inbox, but you can ALSO set up individual tiles for a different mail "group.
So let's say you have 2 home accounts, two work accounts and an old student account- right now, you'd have 5 different live tiles. With this, you could have 1,2,3,4, or 5, depending on how you wanted to group them.
Unified inbox is the default now. Reply
davepermen - Monday, May 30, 2011 - linkYou can now have different tiles for different folders in your mail account. F.e. your work inbox, and your 'private' folder in your work account. Reply
KZ0 - Thursday, May 26, 2011 - link"The user agent on Mango reports itself as "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MSIE 9.0; Windows NT 6.1; Trident/5.0; XBLWP7; ZuneWP7)" in desktop mode, and "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MSIE 9.0; Windows Phone OS 7.5; Trident/5.0; IEMobile/9.0; Microsoft; XDeviceEmulator)" in mobile mode."
I'm really wondering where "Mozilla" comes from. Assuming it's not related to Firefox. Would someone mind explaining a little? Reply
KZ0 - Thursday, May 26, 2011 - link"IE 9 on WP7.5 performs almost identical to the desktop version of IE 9. Both score 130 and 5 bonus points, though the WP7.5 version of IE 0 doesn't fully support @font-face as shown by the lack of custom font on the score report."
IE 0? Reply
Brian Klug - Thursday, May 26, 2011 - linkThat's a typo, should be fixed now!
-Brian Reply
Spivonious - Thursday, May 26, 2011 - linkIt's from the Netscape days. Lots of sites checked for Mozilla in the user agent string when using features introduced with Netscape. MS started adding these features to IE and therefore added Mozilla to the user agent string. Reply
Myrandex - Thursday, May 26, 2011 - linkThe biggest thing that I want to know about the browser is whether or not text is reformatted for the screen size when zoomed in. Reading forums and articles (particularly on anandtech) is rather difficult in my current phone unless I use a magnifying glass, or resort to zooming left and right for every sentance that I am reading. It also made me miss Opera from WM 6.x even more as that was one thing that Opera did perfectly. Any ideas on this? Thanks,
Jason Cook Reply
Brian Klug - Thursday, May 26, 2011 - linkThere's no text reflow in the new browser like what Android does by default, if that's what you're referring to.
Currently it's only iOS-like functionality where double tapping zooms you to the proper size for a given element, without text being resized.
-Brian Reply
hvakrg - Thursday, May 26, 2011 - linkShould we take note of that it identifies as ZuneWP7? Could it be a hint of things to come? Or is it simply that the Zune app on WP use the browser to pull data? Reply
Myrandex - Thursday, May 26, 2011 - linkdang. That is still going to make certain sites unusable :-/ We need a m.anandtech.com :)
Thanks for the response,
Jason Reply
snoozemode - Thursday, May 26, 2011 - linkAs stated in the article, it cant be stressed enough how important it is having a proper browser. I just read this article on my Motorola Atrix and its a downright horrible experience. Scrolling lags, zooming lags, putting the cursor in front of a word to edit is impossible -the cursor finds its own word, and the screen doesnt follow the input being made, iow i often cant see what i write -like right now!
Horrible horrible web browsing. Reply
KZ0 - Friday, May 27, 2011 - linkYou should try out Opera Mobile. I've been using Mobile since my first smartphone (stock Symbian browser isn't in the same league), Mini some years before that. Impressive how they actually made the web accessible without mouse / touchscreen, on a 176×220 display. Almost as much of an improvement as Opera 9 was over IE6, from my experience. Reply
Leonick - Saturday, May 28, 2011 - link"The result is that there's now more screen area dedicated to actual browsing, something I think other mobile browser still need to pay attention to. "
Safari on the iPhone always only had a bottom bar with common buttons like back,forward, bookmarks and such, the address bar is at the top but hides when the page is finished loading...
Don't quite know how the default android one is, I've only really seen the browser on the SE x10 mini pro and X8 (not a whole lot on other phones) and I have a feeling they aren't quite default...
As for the html5test.com and acid3 test, the improvement is rather impressive, seems MS is doing some good work, however, Mobile Safari is 76 points and 2 bonus points ahead in the the html5 test (surprising seeing how Safari is pretty bad at HTML5 animations at least) and gets a solid 100 from acid3 (and android probably does too, as their default should be using webkit too as chrome and safari does)...
It's a big improvement, no denying that, still far behind though.
Are there any custom browsers for WP7 that use their own rendering engine? Would help a lot when the default is so far behind. Reply
talzara - Monday, May 30, 2011 - linkMost browser backends are C++ based. Since nobody gets to write native code on Windows Phone except for Microsoft and the OEMs, it's unlikely that we'll see a new browser backend any time soon. Unless Nokia feels like doing one.
Microsoft's position on Acid3 is that any score above 95 is meaningless, since the other 5 points come from transitional specs that will probably not end up in the final standard. See: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2010/08/04/html... Reply
asad.khan87 - Tuesday, June 14, 2011 - linkDoes the Mango aka WP 7.5 update provide Bluetooth file transfer and USB Mass Storage(since pdf, doc, txt, etc. documents cannot be transferred using Zune) features? I am thinking about getting a HTC HD7 if these things are taken care of. Reply
ShakaraEP - Sunday, January 01, 2012 - linkJust got Samsung Focus with WP 7.5. I was very happy with the transition from iOS until I discovered that I cannot read Arabic websites. Probably not a problem for many, but seems short-sited from Microsoft given that there are 300 million Arabs out there.
Will likely abandon this OS if support doesn't come quickly. Reply


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