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ASRock 939SLI32-eSATA2: ULi Dual x16 SLIby Gary Key on 3/2/2006 12:15 PM EST
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chesss - Tuesday, March 07, 2006 - link
quote:hmm I was hoping for a more definite answer from anandtech about this. Anybody else? Reply
. We also have to wonder about the inclusion of the AM2 CPU upgrade slot that seems more like a marketing gimmick than something that will be useful in the future.
Gary Key - Tuesday, March 07, 2006 - linkWhat type of information are you looking for at this time? We have seen prototype AM2 daughter cards but have not been able to test a card yet due to ongoing engineering changes. Although the daughter card will have direct HT access through the M1695 chipset, we have to wonder how well ASRock will be able to optimize the DDR2 memory performance. The daughter card will also limit cooling options available for the CPU choice. The other variable will be cost and if you are upgrading to AM2 then the additional cost of a motherboard in this category should not be an issue. When all is said and done we still think this is a marketing driven feature and not a viable engineering solution for most users. Reply
itroxx - Wednesday, March 08, 2006 - linkHello everybody,
I'am also looking for a new system for mainly video editing. Working with Premiere, MPEG2 encoding and DVD authoring. Thats why I found this review cause the AsRock seems the only board available with SATA2-Raid capabilities right now. But I am not sure about how much SATA2 drives can be attached. Is it possible to attach one SATA2 drive for the system and build a Raid0 of two more SATA2 drives? For what reason are the SATA connector on the rear panel?
The components I've selected at this point are
AMD Athlon64 X2 3800+ 2x2000MHz 2x512kB Box E4-Stepping
Asrock 939SLI32-eSATA2 S939 ATX
2x 1024 Corsair DDR400
1x Samsung 80GB SATA2 (System)
2x Samsung 250GB SATA2 (Raid0)
256MB PCIe x16 ATI RADEON X1300 PRO
What do you think of my selection? What type of power suply do I need?
Is 400 Watt enough?
thanks a lot and greetings from germany
Redrider - Thursday, March 09, 2006 - linkAlthough my expertise is much lower than most of the people on this forum, there are a few things I have gleaned from my experience and research. Here are a couple of suggestion:
You want the best you can get for the money you spend so as for the processor (I am seriously considering an X2 3800+ myself) I would go for the http://www.amdcompare.com/us-en/desktop/details.as...">ADA3800DAA5CD
which has the E6 stepping which is a newer revision based on http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/overclocking/2...">this article
Also, I would boost your power supply. You are spending some serious cash and I don't think skimping on the PS is wise. 400W seems pretty small and I would go with big power overhead just to be sure. Reply
UJMA - Saturday, March 04, 2006 - linkThe people who invariably buy SLi enabled boards are gamers, and gamers love to OVERCLOCK! unfortunately Asrock have provided this board with a feeble set of voltage options, both the Vdimm & Vcore voltage options are pathetic. No problem, if you're handy with a soldering iron as I'm pretty sure some voltage mods will eventually show up for entusiasts. Probably a better option would be to wait for Epox to launch their new EP-9U1697 GLI mobo based on the same ULi M1697 chipset, you'll get SLi with better overclocking options for a similar outlay! Reply
Gary Key - Saturday, March 04, 2006 - link
Probably a better option would be to wait for Epox to launch their new EP-9U1697 GLI mobo based on the same ULi M1697 chipset, you'll get SLi with better overclocking options for a similar outlay!
We just happen to have that board available for testing now. :) Reply
UJMA - Friday, March 24, 2006 - link2 great reviews on boards using the ULi M1697 chipset. In the red corner we have the Asrock 939SLI32-eSATA2, in the blue corner we have the EPoX EP-9U1697-GLi ... I'm going for the Epox board. Reply
Wesley Fink - Saturday, March 04, 2006 - linkKeep in mind the Epox is dual x8 using a single M1697 chipset, while the ASROCK is an amazing dual x16. If dual x8 is enough for you though, the Epox should be an interesting board. Reply
UJMA - Saturday, March 04, 2006 - linkI was looking at the Epopx website specs ...
"Two PCI Express (x16) connector compliant with PCI Express 1.0a"
http://www.epox.com.tw/eng/products_content.php?ps...">http://www.epox.com.tw/eng/products_content.php?ps... Reply
Gary Key - Saturday, March 04, 2006 - linkThere are two physical x16 connectors on the Epox board but they are electrically x8 lanes in SLI mode. The ASRock 939SLI32 has the same physical x16 connectors but electrically they are x16 lanes in SLI mode. Reply
UJMA - Sunday, March 05, 2006 - linkI see, I'm still interested to see how this Epox board overclocks, I look forward to the Anantech review. If its priced similar to the Asrock Sli but with better voltage options I will get one despite it being x8 x8 ... thanks for the info.
UJMA - Saturday, March 04, 2006 - linkfantastic!!! I rate Epox boards highly, I'm waiting for that particular board to make an appearance in the UK ... I look forward to your results! Reply
Redrider - Saturday, March 04, 2006 - linkI am looking to build a system for my 15 year old son who does video editing as his system stressing function, not gaming. We do video editing on my own aging but still quite nice FIC AU13max, Athlon2500+, All-in-Wonder 9700pro, 1GB (2x 512)PC2700, system that I built 3 years ago (my only other previous build). I want to build a system that will be good for video editing primarily but provide for gaming should his gaming interest change from his Playstation2 to his PC. I would build my own system and pass my old system down to him like I did last time, but really like the DVR/home theater I have set up with my TV, JVC 9010VBK receiver, and AIW AGP card.
Anyway, things sure have changed since my last build! I could use a bit of guidance. I am considering this board and would like advice on the least expensive (as a baseline, I will work my way up from there budgetarily) CPU, memory, video card, etcetera that would serve the aforementioned needs.
To add a bit of complexity to my question (I hope this off topic diversion is ok) I had been considering a DFI LP UT NF4 Ultra-D mainly for the future potential if he gets into overclocking and such as well as the cool factor with a uv lighted case. Some reviews gave this poor marks for stability at the default settings which sent me looking elsewhere like here. Does the X2 support of the ASRock 939SLI32 warrant going with a dual core and this board for multitasking capability?
Thanks for your assistance. Reply
dab - Saturday, March 04, 2006 - linkmy $.02
I just RMA'd a defective Ultra-D. The power requirements are very high, as it is capable of severely overvolting your hardware. It is also a very advanced board and may be difficult to use in many situations. Read at dfi-street.com before purchasing system components if you're serious about this avenue.
Perhaps he would be better off with a less demanding, more user friendly board like the Asrock board or an Asus offering. Reply
Redrider - Saturday, March 04, 2006 - linkThanks for the heads up. I was a bit apprehensive about the reviews referencing compatibility issues on the DFI. This ASRock seems interesting. Asus seems like people either love'm or hate'm. I tend away from mainstream as evidenced by my FIC Mobo which appears to be one of the last of the line. I guess I'll keep on looking to see what I come up with.
If I go with the ASRock any component suggestions? Any other specific components that I should avoid? Reply
Live - Friday, March 03, 2006 - linkGreat to see the new way of presenting the gaming benchmarks. The "min" numbers are especially useful. Nice and easy to understand as well. Keep up the good work! I hope you will continue to use this in all your gaming benches. With the reports/speculation of Nvidias next high end offering being close to ATIs X1900XTX in the sense that it will beat it in some and loose in others this extra info might be the decisive factor. Reply
Missing Ghost - Thursday, March 02, 2006 - linkI don't like it. The layout is not very good. The chipset heatsinks look crappy. It seems like the southbridge heatsink is too high and will be in the way of expansion cards. And why a 20 pin power connector? I want 24 pins, especially because this board supports sli. I think I can find better for this price, but maybe that's because I don't care about 16x pcie slots. Reply
kelim - Thursday, March 02, 2006 - linkCan anyone confirm what (if any) Zalman HSFs are compatible with this motherboard? Reply
Gary Key - Friday, March 03, 2006 - linkZalman CNPS-9500 - Yes
Zalman CNPS-7700 - No
Zalman CNPS-7000 - I do not have this item but looking at the measurements it would be extremely close, taking the measurements off the 7700 unit in place it might fit but just as easily might not. Reply
kelim - Saturday, March 04, 2006 - linkThank you good sir. The 9500 is what I'll be coupling with this baby. Reply
Gary Key - Saturday, March 04, 2006 - linkIt works very well on this board with an Opteron. ;-) Reply
Kiste - Thursday, March 02, 2006 - link
The 1.31 driver release has now eliminated all stuttering in our current benchmarks while improving performance across the board except in Serious Sam II.
In the past, Realtek has solved performance issues by reducing the number of buffers and disabling EAX effects without telling anyone. I hope someone will have a really good look at these integrated audio solutions one day, one that isn't just FPS and CPU utilization.
Gary Key - Thursday, March 02, 2006 - link
n the past, Realtek has solved performance issues by reducing the number of buffers and disabling EAX effects without telling anyone. I hope someone will have a really good look at these integrated audio solutions one day, one that isn't just FPS and CPU utilization.
To date with the HD Codecs, Realtek has not decreased the buffers nor have we noticed changes in EAX2 output except for the positive. It is a very subjective area to comment on but in BF2 I like the sound quality of the 1.29 drivers better but Serious Sam II seems to have improved a great deal in the 1.30 and 1.31 drivers. While the on-board audio solutions are still lacking in most areas compared to the add-in solutions at least the manufacturers (board/chipset) are trying to improve quality in this area instead of pumping out the same old AC97 codecs. If it were not for the cost I think we would have seen several additional Audigy-SE solutions on the motherboards by now and even possibly an improved offering from Creative. While the A-SE is an older chipset it does offer better performance and audio quality in gaming than the current HD codecs from Realtek, C-Media, ADI, and SigmaTel. I really thought the VIA Envy24 series would have had greater market penetration on the motherboards but one can only speculate as to why this never happened. ;-> Reply
tjpark1111 - Thursday, March 02, 2006 - linkis it just me, or does this thing have a 20-pin power connector. ?!?!?!??!??? Reply
kelim - Thursday, March 02, 2006 - linkYes, the board does in fact use a 20-pin power connection. If you have a 24-pin PSU, this shouldn't be a problem, since most are 20+4-pin, meaning you can detach the extra 4 pins and only use the ones you need. Either that, or the uneeded pins will hang off the side. Reply
Gary Key - Thursday, March 02, 2006 - linkYou are correct, it is a 20-pin ATC connector as stated in the article. I was surprised also and did a double take after removing it from the box. :) Reply
dab - Thursday, March 02, 2006 - linkIt says that this motherboard supports ddr2,
"(4) x DIMM, max. 4GB, DDR2 400/333/266, non-ECC, un-buffered memory..."
Is this a joke? There's no 240pin slots on that board, only on the riser (which is not included). s939's IMC doesn't support this either..
Am I mistaken? Reply
Gary Key - Thursday, March 02, 2006 - link
"(4) x DIMM, max. 4GB, DDR2 400/333/266, non-ECC, un-buffered memory..."
I was just changing that to DDR, sorry about the mistake. The AM2 daughter card will have slots for DDR2 memory. Reply
Puddleglum - Thursday, March 02, 2006 - linkThe figure is noteworthy, but it's actually the only Firewire 800 test result I can find in AT's reviews. Reply
Gary Key - Thursday, March 02, 2006 - link
The figure is noteworthy, but it's actually the only Firewire 800 test result I can find in AT's reviews.
I know we only have it in a recent review and probably should drop it. I keep hoping Firewire 800 will be implemented on the higher end boards or those designed for HTPC life. :) However, it appears to be a dead-end option at this point and the technology itself seems to be going away without a fight. Reply
Zoomer - Tuesday, March 07, 2006 - linkI believe it should be included to comparison's sake. And perhaps push manufacturers to adopt it.
If new HD camcorders supports firewire 800, the market will be there right away. Too bad they aren't backward compatible. Reply
deathwalker - Thursday, March 02, 2006 - linkAt $85 I don't see how anyone could ask for much more in a motherboard...SLI/eSATA//8 channel sound/varity of Raid array choices. Can't hardly beat this for a basic and even higher platform. Kadoos to Asrock for a worthy effort. Before this thread is over someone will be slamming this mobo from some position other than one of using a rational approach for what you would be getting for $85 and they will be trying to compare it to a competetors $150 motherboard. AT..keep up the good work. Reply
Pete84 - Thursday, March 02, 2006 - linkThe Asrock AM2 riser has been spied.
http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/blog.php?tid=558875&s...">http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/blog.php?tid=5...time=114... Reply
poohbear - Thursday, March 02, 2006 - linkJust remember ASRock is a dodgy mobo company. In their Dualsata2 mobo they gave reviewers a bios that allowed em to overclock using the 300mhz cpu frequency then they cap it @ 274 in subsequent bios'. Meanwhile, us customers read the reviews and their site/manual which states it can support a 300cpu frequency only to find a a 274mhz cap. Very deceptive of em. The dual sata2 was the only mobo that provided native agp and pci-e, so ASRock got away w/ dodgy BS like that cause there was no other company offering the Uli1695 chipset.
In this situation, there are a ton of other exceptional PCI-E mobos, especially w/ ATI's 580 just being released, so why even consider em?! Reply
sandorski - Thursday, March 02, 2006 - linkthat's not what happened. go back and re-read what that was about. Reply
Gary Key - Thursday, March 02, 2006 - link
Just remember ASRock is a dodgy mobo company. In their Dualsata2 mobo they gave reviewers a bios that allowed em to overclock using the 300mhz cpu frequency then they cap it @ 274 in subsequent bios'. Meanwhile, us customers read the reviews and their site/manual which states it can support a 300cpu frequency only to find a a 274mhz cap. Very deceptive of em. The dual sata2 was the only mobo that provided native agp and pci-e, so ASRock got away w/ dodgy BS like that cause there was no other company offering the Uli1695 chipset.
I would not consider ASRock a dodgy motherboard company. We at times find the initial bios releases to contain performance enhancements or features that might not be available upon production release of the boards. We (along with others) provide feedback to the manufacturers about the stability, features, or performance during testing. At times this feedback will cause the manufacturer to change the bios features to improve stability or as in our Biostar NF4 article to improve performance also.
We are taking a more serious stance with the motherboard companies in regards to their bios features before publishing an article. We could have published this article with the .17 bios release (not available) and shown additional voltage features along with improved performance as mentioned in the article. We waited until ASRock had the production release bios available before publishing our revised test results. We found the board to be better behaved with the release bios at the expense of performance. However, this the correct path as being able to score a few additional points in a benchmark or overclocking that extra bit is not important if the board produces BSOD results on a consistent basis. It also is not wise to release a bios with features the public will never see. I personally still have issues with Asus and the 0047 bios we tested on the P5N32-SLI board. Some of the features of that bios are still not available at this time and it is worrisome to publish an opinion about a board and not see the same level of performance or stability in the released product.
While there are other alternatives (excellent ones at that) I doubt you will find a board with this combination of performance and features for $85. If you are hard core overclocker this is not the board for you. If you like to casually overclock without pushing the boundaries then this board will suffice for a great number of people. It is all about choices and fortunately we will see some additional M1697 based boards before NVIDIA completes their assimilation of ULi. ;-) Reply
poohbear - Thursday, March 02, 2006 - link
We are taking a more serious stance with the motherboard companies in regards to their bios features before publishing an article.
that's definetly good to hear. it's blatantly unacceptable when mobo manufacturers want to promote something that is'nt in their mobo so they can get good initial reviews and hence sell more, and then disable said feature when it becomes inconvenient to support. (the Dualsata2 still proports to support 300 cpu frequency both on ASRock's site and in their online manual, but it's simply not supported) Reply
nemesismk2 - Friday, March 03, 2006 - linkYou have said a couple of times that on the Asrock website it states that the Asrock 939 Dual Sata2 supports 300 Mhz CPU Frequency, can you tell me where because I can't find anywhere on http://www.asrock.com/product/939Dual-SATA2.htm">http://www.asrock.com/product/939Dual-SATA2.htm which confirms what you have been saying? Reply
nemesismk2 - Thursday, March 02, 2006 - linkAsrock are NOT a dodgy company at all, they are just a company who supply good quality budget motherboards which are not designed for overclocking. Yes it was found that the motherboard could use 300mhz cpu frequency with an early bios but it was also found that the motherboard wasn't stable using that frequency so it was reduced for stability reasons. I've never had any stability problems with my Asrock 939 Dual Sata2 so their decision was correct for most users, good work Asrock! :) Reply
poohbear - Thursday, March 02, 2006 - linkppl w/ beta bios were running this mobo 350+ cpu frequency, so how can u say it's not stable? they're just not fixing it because, yes, they could care less about anybody who overclocks, but they shouldnt give the impression that this mobo supports something it doesnt. For all we know anandtechs overclock w/ this mobo might be completely misleading because ASRock might do the same thing and disable any such features when it's inconvenient for them to support em. Reply
Zoomer - Tuesday, March 07, 2006 - linkThis board would cannabilize sales of the premium SLI32 and xfire board that Asus sells for $150 IF it included voltage settings up to 2v vCore, 3.2v vMem, etc.
They would be stupid to do it. These people will pay the $150 anyway if they don't have an easy (cheap) alternative. For the rest of us, we can get busy with a 2B pencil, solders or conductive ink. ;) And forgo the warranty on it, so if it goes boom in a year's time, you're on your own.
Nice strategy. Would AT leak the beta bios for comparison's sake? (We'll smuggle it to xs or ocwb....:D)
poohbear - Thursday, March 02, 2006 - linkand for the record the dualsata2 is a very stable mobo @ stock settings, i have to give credit where it's due, but for overclocking this company's products shouldnt even be considered. Reply
sandorski - Thursday, March 02, 2006 - linkIt kinda sucks Nvidia bought out ULI, they were very innovative and really filled niche markets very well. Then again, perhaps Nvidia will let them continue doing interesting things there? Reply
Cygni - Thursday, March 02, 2006 - linkHard to argue with that... looks like ASRock/ULi has another mega seller on their hand with this baby. But I cant help but wish it had an AGP slot thrown in between the two PCI-Ex lanes, to allow an upgrade path. Thats probably the primary reason the ULi 1695 boards have been selling so well.
The IDE and SATA performance numbers are really striking in contrast to Nvidia's. I hope we see the inclusion of ULi's storage controller in future Nvidia chipsets.
All for $85... awesome. Reply
Furen - Thursday, March 02, 2006 - linkIf it had an AGP slot then it would have to use ULi's AGP tunnel + the 1697 instead of the 1695 + 1697, which would mean that it'd only have 16 PCI-e lanes for graphics. I suppose most of us wouldn't mind going for two 8x slots while in SLI but then most of us wouldn't really want SLI to begin with. Reply
JackPack - Thursday, March 02, 2006 - linkQuality doesn't seem to be bad either. Panasonic and UCC caps in there. Reply


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Published: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 at 1:31 p.m.
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It was discussed in Destin at the SEC spring meetings and again in Hoover, Ala., during SEC Media Days. But Les Miles isn't going to let it die.
The SEC's cross-division opponents for 2013 (permanent opponent in CAPS):
Alabama — At Kentucky, TENNESSEE.
Arkansas — At Florida, SOUTH CAROLINA.
Auburn — At Tennessee, GEORGIA.
Florida — Arkansas, At LSU.
Georgia — LSU, At AUBURN.
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The LSU football coach volunteered his feelings about permanent cross-division games during the league's spring conference call on Wednesday.
"It's interesting to see how you would compare our schedule with others," Miles said. "I wonder if there should be no permanent (scheduling) partners (in the SEC)."
Miles went as far as to say that he wondered if it would be better to have a computer pick the two cross-division opponent "by random draw."
LSU's two East opponents this year are Florida at home and Georgia on the road. Alabama, by contrast, faces Kentucky and Tennessee. Those two teams won only one conference game a year ago when Tennessee beat Kentucky and are both breaking in new coaches.
With its eight-game conference schedule and expansion to 14 teams in 2012, the SEC requires six games be played within the division of each team with one permanent opponent from the other division and one rotating opponent from the other division.
Because of expansion, the rotations were disrupted last season. Florida, for example, lost a return trip from Auburn. Alabama will make it two seasons in a row without playing Florida, Georgia or South Carolina in the conference season (although it did face Georgia in the conference title game last year).
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"The huge key for any conference," Miles said, "is equal access to the championship."
But despite getting what appears to be a benefit from this year's SEC schedule, Alabama coach Nick Saban is not a fan of the permanent crossovers, which are expected to stay in place at least through next season.
"We got a lot of people in the SEC office who are trying to do what's best for the league," Saban said. "My basic theory is that every player should have the opportunity to play every SEC school once. If we don't have a two-team rotation, that doesn't happen.
"I think it makes it more league-oriented when you play more cross-division games."
One reason for the permanent opponents is the long-standing rivalries like Alabama-Tennessee that could be lost to a two-team rotation. Another is television, which wants games such as Florida-LSU in October.
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How exactly do aura's feel? Can you have aura's and not have an actual seizure? I think I had some this weekend. I went off into like a "spacy" feeling. Like I was tingling and I couldn't make myself snap out of it for a few seconds. I have had a headache since I has these feelings. I have had E a long time, but I am new to all the terminology and so forth. Thanks.
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Before I had my two brain surgeries for epilepsy I had Auras, I always had a scary sensation. Imagine how it feels finding a snake by accident. The only thing was, my scary sensation would start at the tip of my toes and spread to the top of my head. I rarely had the signal of odd smells. I do not know if any other E's have dealt with scary sensations for their Aura.
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About 15 - 20 years ago I would wake up in the morning and would instantly know that i was going to have a szr that day, call it what you like, an aura, a gut feeling or just a feeling that a connection has come loose in your brain you know today's the day no matter what you do about it. Things turned even stranger about 4 years ago but its a long story but it's in my blog and if anyone has come across anything similar i would love to know because although it sounds ideal in one respect it was hell in many others.
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I had an experience similar to this last week with my last seizure. I wasn't feeling well so I told my boyfriend I was going to take a short nap. When I lay down I thought to myself "you know if I have a seizure right now, there is no way he is going to hear me back in the bedroom"-- bam-- 20 minutes later while I was sleeping, that's what happened!
I had not had felt my aura or had any other warning.
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I dont mean to break the thread but ive had seizures for 27 years. am on gabapentin 3,200mg,800mg4X/day;keppra750 X4/day and clonazepam 2mg 2x/day. now Im down from 4-5 seizures a week to maybe 1 a month! i have tonic-clonic and myoclonic types. My auras are very weird with many things happening seemingly all at once: first i simply burst into a bad prickly sweat, i feel VERY scared and i can see but i am in a black "dome" with other people(i dont see them) but we are waiting for our seizures to start and a voice/feeling always tells me "lets get it over with" remember this happens in milliseconds. I plead "no take them first" but i am shoved to the front of the line. Ive learned to sit or even drop to the floor/ground cause im sick of the many huge head bumps and scratches i always get. I guess i am unconscious. The same scene but i keep getting shoved for my next turn(seizure). It always tastes as if there is a penny,copper-llike in my mouth and i cant breathe. I remember this"as it happens" Always the same. If for some reason i suddenly flush hot or taste copper i just drop down cause i somehow know whats next. The fear/shame/embarrassment in anticipation is excruciating! I never can be happy for long out of fear. Afterwards im always terrified ive been in some horrible accident and very scared,thirsty and tired. Im always told by someone when its witnessed how blueish/purple i became and pounded my head. Funny, but usually someone tells me how scared THEY were. Usually thats when the medics,cops or firepersons arrive. I guess im out for 4-5 minutes and it takes about 20 minutes or so to start remembring things like my name,day or year,etc. I know this sounds like blow for blowaccount of the whole seizure..its not. Its the whole aura. Except there is usually one or two more in the ambulance or E.R. Ive never gone into this complete detail before cause it usually makes the aura start but i had to get it off my chest. Thanks for letting me ramble. I feel better,Curtis L.
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I get a feeling of fear or anxiety, it just lasts for a few seconds, followed by a "spaced out" feeling, a feeling of warmth, and weakness - I've collapsed three or four times. Since I've been taking carbamazepine I no longer get the aura and the attacks have been less severe, but they are just as frequent - usually two or three a day over a couple of days every few weeks; I had six yesterday, however.
I've had a brain scan and am seeing a neurologist next week.
Leon Heller
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I thought this article was to tell people seizures what exactly an aura feels like. It hasn't!! It dosen't tell me squat. This isn't even an article. All it tells me and probably many other people what other people's auras feel like. All auras are different. This article is titled "How exactly do auras feel". I sorry to say it again. But it dosen't tell me anything I haven't heard before.
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ive had epilepsy for 2.5 years now and my auras are different than most i read about.
i get a tightness in my throat and i feel like i missed a breath; sometimes that happens and nothing comes of it. other times afterwards i feel the muscles in my lower jaw tighten and my tongue starts to twitch on the right side. when i feel my tongue start twitching, seizures are usually 15 seconds away. i don't get any deja vu feeling/vision problems/auditory hallucinations
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I can tell you, at least my experience-
for me it's more like a runners high- if you've ever had one- feels good- followed by deja vu feeling, followed by a little nausea at the end-
posted my reply before but it didn't go through. I think that my are hormonally triggered, because the always occurred before my period- new moon- and once I hit menopause, I started having nocturnal seizures and went on meds and am fine. But I worry, since I'm again feeling the aura's once a month- again new moon even though I'm in menopause- and am worried that the meds aren't working as well-
my 2 cents and hope it helps
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Waking up. I can totally agree. The room would begin spinning. I would close my eyes and say please go away please go away. SO that's what that was-an aura. I'd feel like I was floating. No pain. Just weightless, floating, dizziness.
"So long as men can breathe or eyes can see,
So long lives this, and this gives life to thee."-William Shakespeare
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peace R.C.
I thought (oops) I had responded to this before? There must be 2 or more threads like this .
I,m 45 and have had 1,ooo,s of szs over the last 15 yrs.
BUT it has taken me until yrs. to understand that I have probably had "auras" all my life.
My mom (r.i.p.) and I spent some time talking about this and it may have started after a accident I had at age 6
but we did not know about "auras" when we were discussing this .
I have 14 yrs sober, BUT I have stated before that I am very thankful that I have done hallucinogenic drugs
because a lot of the feelings described here are exactly like the effects of these drugs.
I actually thought or at least passed off these feelings as "flashbacks" for many yrs or diet,hangover,something ? lol.
In fact even though I have been diagnosed as epileptic I have never discussed the aura feeling with a doctor lol.
I am in a drug study now. It says on my sz. chart that an "aura is cold,sweats,foggy thinking,
Almost anything brings this on now. I have had serious side effects to a lot of drugs and I feel now that some of these szs.(auras) are a side effect of the drugs.
Also my triggers have totally changed over the past few yrs. and I have so many that it is almost unknown to me what they may be.
The heat is one I,m aware of it belongs in another thread for triggers.
I see where so many people describe their aura and me and my neuro. chart see them as a complex partial sz. ? ?
For the most part my "auras" have felt like everything here.
cold,sweaty,mind racing,(normal lol) left eye twitching, soft warm fuzzy feeling, panic,paranoid,vertigo,a problem swallowing, just a whole host of minor feelings.
It is seeing where these minor szs cross over is the problem for me,and knowing these "feelings" now may lead to a gmal is enough to cause a panic feeling that brings on a sz. just like a big cycle a revolving door
I hope someone understands my rambling a little , Rick
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here's my descripton to add to the lot.
episode type 1:
Going to bed at night, randomly would jump in bed and start playing
back my day in my head like most people do. The difference is my inner
monologue would scream my thoughts back to me. I could not make this
stop. Everything I thought was amplified. Let me make it clear, I would not "hear voices", but only my own thoughts being yelled back at me to the point of being painful. Along with this time seemed
to slow down, I would go into a trance like state. I felt like I was shrinking into my bed, and the walls of
my room felt like they were coming in on me and then going out. this would last sometimes until I fell asleep.
Episode type 2:
other variance is during the day sometimes I feel this space out
feeling. It feels different from regular spacing out because I would go
into this trance state again. No yelling inner monologue, just the
space out feeling, tunnel vision, voices sound slow when people talk to
me, it's as if I am hearing a conversation from far away and can't quite make out what people are saying but only see their mouths move. I cannot respond to them. I feel like I have lost the ability to function, like I have become a statue. These episodes last anywhere from 10-20
seconds then suddenly stop! And zooooom I am back to normal. I sometimes am confused for a meer second then realized what just happened.
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My auras begin with an odor. It's always the same, I have no idea what it is, because I cannot remember it after the sz, but I always know what it is when I smell it. Then my stomach tightens, as if it would due to extreme panic, but I'm not panicky at all, it's just my stomach muscles. I begin to sweat profusely (unlike me because I'm usually always cold in the A/C here in Fla.) Then the actual sz kicks in (I only get auras for the simple and complex partials in my temporal lobes--not the grand mals). Everything is always very familiar to me, but I can only recognize it during the spell...never afterwards. As a side note, sometimes an odor will trigger a sz for me, which really kind of sucks, because I love to try new foods.
Hi... Auras shouldn't be
Auras shouldn't be dismissed as less as they ARE seizures.
They're a type of simple partial when they occur immediately before a complex partial or a type of generalized seizure.
See http://www.epilepsy.com/epilepsy/auras.html
Hi Wendy,
After reading that piece on simple partials and you should have an idea.
You might also read http://www.epilepsy.com/101/ep101_symptom.html
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I never had any auras untill I reached my forties and I have had grand-mals since I was a child. I have been getting alot of them lately and they scare me to death. Sometimes I get this feeling like Iam in one and it only lasts about 5 sec and after that I get these Headaches which I call Seizure Headaches. I reconize these headaces I get because after I come out of a grand-mal I get these weird Headaches and they are hard to explain. I ;have told my Doctor about these but he does not seem to be concerned. He told me since iam not passing out with them the meds are working but, each time u have these absence Seisures and a grand-mal they do damage to your brain each time and I believe they leave Scar tissue as well in your brain.
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I agree. These headaches are not normal. Mine hit so bad I end up hospitalized. They can give me every migraine med they have and nothing breaks it. For days after my head is so sore it feels like my skull is cracked. My neurologist prescribed me maxalt, which helps but does nothing for pain. It helps the migraine from getting worse.
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I have longed to find others who experiance these feelings as i have. I cry at times after experiancing these Aura's becuase i felt no one can understnd the feelings that go through my body and the migraines i would have soon after. These are not good feelings for me and they can be scary. My Aura's begin by a dejevu feeling and it starts from the top of my body and goes down, this tingling sensation all over and feeling very strange looking around. i fight not allowing the full seizure to begin. i really feel comforted by holding someones hands.
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Hey Jamilah I completely agree. That feeling when you look up at a tall building that's overwhelming, especially a building that you've never seen before. Is that the type of aura you get. I get the same one. It almost feels like you're going to faint.
"So long as men can breathe or eyes can see,
So long lives this, and this gives life to thee."-William Shakespeare
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Mine feel like this: 1. I smell something, sort of like food burning. 2. My ears start ringing really loud. 3. I feel very anxious. 4. I get dizzy and nauseated. 5. Then the shaking starts. I have had auras WITHOUT the tremors, but I always get the dizziness and nausea, which for me is the worst part. It's interesting to read how many people feel a tingling in their scalp, I have that sensation often, with and without auras/tremors. I have partial-onset seizures during the day which are mostly controlled with Depakote and nocturnal myoclonics at night, which are mostly controlled by clonazapam. My seizures started 20 years ago after a serious brain injury.
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There have been tons of descriptions of how auras feel so I won't add to it :)
Just to say that auras do not always result in seizures and you can fight the onset of a seizure if you feel it coming on by concentrating on something abstract - a spot on the wall etc.
And also to say -
I did yoga on and off for several years but it is only in the past two - three years - since I started practising regularly (3-4 times a week) that I have experienced a significant reduction in seizures and auras. My epilepsy was always quite well controlled but stress was always a huge trigger for me and the yoga has eliminated ALL stress. I have not had a seizure or aura in over three years. I am convinced that this is all down to the regular practice of yoga and yoga meditation.
Yoga has also boosted my immune system considerably and it is over three years since I have had a cold, flu or infection. In fact I feel REALLY well better than I ever have.
I go to one class a week and perhaps every second day do some yoga at home - sometimes this is as short as 20-30 minutes and sometimes as much as 60 minutes - it all really depends on how much time I have available.
I also try to exercise regularly - exercise bike and trail walking. It is true that the more exercise you do the better you feel.
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My aura's are so bizarre. When I was first diagnosed with epilepsy I would have an aura that consisted of my mouth going numb. It would be like a sweeping sensation throughout my tongue. Although I didn't realize it at the time, those were my partial seizures. When I had my first grand mal in the hallway of my high school it was the WORST mouth numbness and it traveled down my arm (thought I was having a stroke). I was originally on Trileptal but since then I have changed my medications many times.
Since this mouth numbness my aura's have changed to a whole body numbness which meant I could not feel anything. One time I was teaching swim lessons and couldn't even feel the water (yikes! talk about scary). After a year or so of that feeling it then changed into a "weighing down" feeling where it feels like I'm moving in slow motion and like someone is sitting on me. It's terrible and I never know what my next aura will be like.
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My aura's are so bizarre. When I was first diagnosed with epilepsy I would have an aura that consisted of my mouth going numb. It would be like a sweeping sensation throughout my tongue. Although I didn't realize it at the time, those were my partial seizures. When I had my first grand mal in the hallway of my high school it was the WORST mouth numbness and it traveled down my arm (thought I was having a stroke). I was originally on Trileptal but since then I have changed my medications many times.
Since this mouth numbness my aura's have changed to a whole body numbness which meant I could not feel anything. One time I was teaching swim lessons and couldn't even feel the water (yikes! talk about scary). After a year or so of that feeling it then changed into a "weighing down" feeling where it feels like I'm moving in slow motion and like someone is sitting on me. It's terrible and I never know what my next aura will be like.
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I have had Epilepsy my doctor speculates based on my symptoms my whole life, but I wasn't diagnosed till recently b/c well money kept me from going to doctor. When I was young the aura I got generally was a sense of fullness in my mouth like I had a metal pipe there or something. I also get what feels like tingles, chills, and sometimes a massive rush of endorphins coupled with prickly sensations in one side of the head. Since I've started medicine the auras are very persistent and a bit more creepy feeling I can't explain it exactly like someone raking their fingers inside of you...I also get tightness in my palms w/burning, sometimes I'll get trembles in the arm and I usually start to space out and lose focus.
scary deja-vu
It is so great to know others have these similar feelings and that I'm not the only one. It is almost impossible for me to explain them to my family and friends. I have really strong feelings of deja-vu where I am remembering dreams or memories, but I can't really explain or remember the details of them. I can feel it in my stomach also. I have multiple a day and I just try to think about something else to make them stop. When they get really intense is when I have an absence or a tonic-clonic seizure. It is just overwhelming to not be able to control or stop them. I am on lamictal (350mg twice daily); it makes me really tired all of the time. Does anyone else experience this or feel the same way? Thanks for all the support, I am so glad I registered to this forum
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I have been having auras since I was in kindergarten. For years I didnt know how to explain these terrible feelings other than saying it felt like deja vu. It seems as though people experience different sensations ie smells, sights, sounds. For me personally, I experience a feeling of impending doom - like something bad is taking over. Then at the peak of the aura I hear random bits of conversation in my head but I cannot explain where those clips of conversation really came from. i feel confused, scared and feel overwhelmed. I tend to have them while at work. Once I was on a conference call and an aura started coming over me. My boss asked me a question and i could not communicate/make any sense when trying to reply to his question. This was one of the first times that someone noticed that i was having an aura and that something was terribly wrong. In a way it felt good for someone else to see with their own eyes that i was going thru this. Whenever i have had a grand mal seizure they have always come after/during one of my auras so needless to say it scares me when I do have the auras bc I never know if that will trigger a full out seizure.
I started having grand mals when i was about 18 years old. I am now 31 and have had just over 10 grand mals. Mostly nocturnal but 4 of them while I was conscious and awake etc.
I take dilantin and have not had a grand mal since (except for a couple times when I missed a dose of my meds etc). However it is still such an emotional rollercoaster when the auras happen. They seem to come in cycles where I have at least a few a day and then a week or so later they stop and i dont have them again for months. So in one sense i am grateful but nonetheless wish i could put an end to the auras. Some people seem to experience a good/high feeling. i have never felt anything positive from mine- just a horrible/dreadful emotion that scares me.
I have had multiple tests done and the results showed that I am not epileptic; however my neuro diagnosed me as having complex partial seizures. I am glad to find a forum where i can read others thoughts and experiences from their lives having lived with simialr problems as my own. i am grateful to have a place to vent where others can relate. It is hard for anyone in my family/friends to understand bc they have never had these issues and do not understand what this illness entails.
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i usually feel like i am spaced out, and i can hear things and am somewhat there but if someone is talking to me i get irratable and tell them to shut up because i feel so weird...it is frustrating because no one understands what its like...
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Hi all, great to read that I'm not alone here. I started getting auras at 14. Being in a small town it wasn't diagnosed until I went to University, even then it took ages - I thought I was imagining it and was loosing my mind. I was lucky to see a neurologist who understood and I took Epilim for about 10 years and still had infrequent 'episodes' then had nothing for many years so weaned myself off the medication. I thought it was over as I've not had any aura's for 10 years but had 2 aura's yesterday (I'm 38 now) and they really scared me. The way people have described that feeling of dejavu - that something terrible is about to happen - is so true. I hadn't met anyone else with this so was scared that maybe it was a brain tumour.
My triggers seem to be stress and heat. Now that it's started again I'm too scared to do anything physical - I love my exercise and gardening but I don't want to push myself and start an attack. I live alone and it scares me that these could turn into Grand Mal seizures, I'd hate to loose my independance. Does anyone else find that heat is a trigger?
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First of all, my heart goes out to everyone that suffers from this horrible disorder, and has to endure the fear, pain and discomfort that often accompany an episode of either a seizure, aura, or a combination of both. My epilepsy began in late 2004 or early 2005 (I can't recall exactly when; people with epilepsy sometimes suffer from short term memory problems. Kinda funny, that; but not really. Like when you're trying to remember the name of of a person who was introduced to you 5 minutes ago and attempting not to look like an idiot because you have already forgotten.) The physical cause of my disorder was 5 concussions in 3 years while attempting to learn how to race sportbikes in my 40s. In 2003, my last year of riding, I suffered 3 concussions and almost expired after the last incident, where I incurred a concussion, broken collarbone, cracked rib, and punctured lung. I began seizing on the trip to hospital, and upon arrival, was intubated in the parking lot. That particular hospital evidently did not feel that they were adequately prepared to deal with the extent of my injuries, so they stuffed me into an ambulance for the 50 mile trip to a level 1 Trauma Center in another city. When my wife and her sister arrived at the first hospital I was already gone. The staff told her to take her time driving to where they were taking me, since there would neurosurgeons waiting to perform an operation to relieve the swelling of my brain caused by my injuries and she wouldn't be able to see me until the surgery was over. Well, she had other ideas. My wife is a Christian and believes in the power of prayer to invite the intervention of God Almighty into any situation, even those that may look hopeless. She notified the prayer line at the church she (and now I)attended, and the long and short of it is that within a very short period of time I had people around the world in interlocking prayer networks praying for me.
Upon arriving at the Trauma Center my wife was told that I would not be needing surgery, but I would be in the hospital for weeks, and would need physical therapy and possibly a walker. Well, once again God had other ideas. I stayed there 4 days; 3 in the ICU, 1 in an intermediated room, and one in a standard care room before being sent home. Three days later I went back to work; it wasn't fun, but I got through it, and more or less made a full recovery within a few weeks, except for the collarbone. That was the physical recovery. Between the time of my waking up from sedation and my departure from the hospital, I decided it was time to begin a spiritual recovery, and I had a talk with the One who I had turned my back on and had been running away from for almost 10 years, and let Him be by Lord and Savior once again. And He was as as good as His Word; I'm now walking with Him and trusting Him again, despite the epilepsy (the particular variant which I suffer from I will describe on another post) that is something that I do not wish to be experiencing but is in no way a sign or symptom of God not loving me or having abandoned me.
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I have had migraines for years and get the auras with those. The sense of impending doom, sense of panic, seeing strange lights, etc. I haven't been diagnosed with epilepsy but one neurologist said I was having partial seizures. I had seen 10 different neuro's and haven't been able to get a diagnosis and have given up going to doctors at all. I think I have seizures at night and they are always preceded by the flashing lights in my eyes and the auras. I have had episodes where my body went numb with stroke like symptoms and my speech would slur. I have heard everything from TIA, to all in my head, to panic attacks to seizures and yet the auras still come. I will space out and have that deja vu sensation. I have been having that since I was a small child. My husband calls my speech slurring episodes "Elmer Fudd Syndrome" because I end up sounding like Elmer Fudd. I can't pronounce certain letters properly even though I see the words in my mind and pronounce them in my mind, they don't come out that way in speech. When I have my auras, I get exremely tired and want to go to sleep. My face tingles and my eye feels like it is twitching and sometimes I get a "hot flash" all over. I wish I could find a doctor who could tell me if this is epilepsy or not.
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I was diagnosed with a seizure disorder when i was 20. I had 4-5 gran mals until i was 21. Once the Dr. had my levels where they were suppose to be, I never had one again. I am now 34. In the past 14 yrs i have been dealing with these aura's thinking they were minor seizures. I Have one or two every week. They come at any time, I don't lose any physical motion. It always seems to be triggered by someone saying something, maybe one word or a sentence. Then it seems like that word or sentece is repeated over and over in my head when somone is talking to me. I get a dej' vu feeling. I lose my speech and word understanding. This goes by within a minute or 2. I have been on Carbatrol for 10yrs. I still have these Aura's but it never goes in to a seizure. After reading some of your issue's i guess i am lucky not to have them, but it is pretty annoying always wondering if it is going to happen or when. I decided not to go in to law enforcement due to this. I didnt not want to have an Aura during a critical situation were i could miss some crucial info. I am having another mri next week and hope there is a medicine to take care of this.
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My aura feel like dejavue like ive been there or seen what im looking at before
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Mine are totally de ja vu feeling. Sometimes they can be rather quick, others last a bit longer. If one is a little longer, I may have time to reach for my "magnet" to swipe over my Vagus Nerve Stimulator device. Sometimes this will prevent an episode.
I have had auras with no seizures. Unfortunately, I still get headaches after.
Can anyone help? I think I am having abs seizers.
I am a 31 year old female. for the past few months I have been having these "spells" I call them.My heart starts to race, I'm in a fog and I can't get out. I get very dizzy and I feel like i'm going to pass out but nothing happens. It happens while i'm in the car, out shopping, at work. 10-20 times a day. I lose my balance and get short of breath. I get very tired after it passes and my head will hurt for the rest of the day. I was told I had an inner ear infection..I'm not buying it...the word Aura was mentioned to me and described. I believe thats what i'm feeling...I would love to hear anyones thoughts or opinions on this...i'm so tired of feeling this way I would love to know i'm not alone.
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I have had these for about 3 years. I am 44 now. I was sitting in a movie today and during the movie one of the scenes from the movie i had seen advertised made me have a seizure. Mine are dja vu like. I feel like i have done it or saw it before. i am aware i am having one it takes about 30 seconds then i come "down". Sometimes i get close but dont have the actual seizure. Kind of like when you have to sneeze but dont. my body wants the relief...does that sound weird? No one gets it. I feel so alone.
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My aura, which I wasn't sure was one until I had a seizure December 18th while driving, is one that has my left arm totally go limp for a long period of time ( about an hour) My arm will go limp and in about 10 seconds will "be normal" again. Is this an aura? It did warn me of a seizure...
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Well, My doctor believes that I have epilepsy. I am just starting Topamax. I have these "episodes" in the mornings. I usually get my seizures later that night or the next day..or not even at all. But the last episode I had was so earth shatteringly scary I had to write about it. I'm 20 and I've just started dealing with all this happening. All of this has landed in my lap at once and I am really freaked out. When I had my episode, which I am wondering if it might be an aura, it starts off like static in my head. It sounds like a shovel scraping lightly on a snowy wet pavement. Then I usually lock myself in the bathroom to catch my breath and tell myself that none of this is real. That I need to get a hold of myself. That is when the worst part comes. I see everything including my body in super fast speed. Like everything is a movie being fast forwarded. And I am trying to keep up with it. Usually there is a small part of my brain that I can control and hear and calm until the episode eventually stops, but this time was the first time it disappeared completely until it eventually went faster and faster until I felt like my brain was going to explode and boil. It was so frightening. I had never experienced anything that scary before. Usually I am scared but not like that. Please help me and tell me what you think. All of this is new to me. I've dealt with passing out and shaking all my life, but now it is getting worse and worse and I am very frightened. Plus with being a senior at university it is very difficult being tired and confused all of the time. Thank you for helping and listening.
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I have them all the time. I have a feeling that I am trying to think of something from the past. I always try to fight this feeling which is so bad. Two time the aura lead to a bad seizure where I had to go tothe hospital.
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Ever felt like it couldn't have happened during your lifetime, but centuries ago? It's horrifying! (The way they were treated then was extremely worse than today.) I thought I was going crazy; so didn't dare tell anyone....especiallly not my parents! I feared they'd have me locked up in a mental institution and thrown away the key.... which probably would have been the case in those days. After I had my 2nd convulsive C.P. I discovered that these happened just before every seizures because they were my auras.
I'm certain a lot more people are afraid of telling others because they won't understand. I wouldn't be surprised if the actual number of people with undiagnosed epilepsy is several times greater than stated. We only know of reported, diangosed cases of epilepsy. Who is going to admit to something that terrifies them, if they can hide it?
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i have JME and my first convulsing seizure was last august when i woke up early to leave to help at a camp and then i just recently had one christmas eve in the shower when i woke up to get ready for work around 6 am . im homeschooled ,im 16 ive been homeschooled all my life ,meaning i never really ever had to wake up early , when i do its normaly not good ,ill fall over and drop stuff when im trying to get ready . sometimes i get really irritible and that makes me even more mad because i cant stand being annoyed. i go to the neurologist tomorrow soo theyll probably start me on medication ,since i had another seizure. i dont always mind it though because at least im not like everybody else and i still enjoy life as much as i can even with E. Im pretty sure that having it helps me to appreciate life more then some people , im able to enjoy life when im not having problems because it seems even more special.. Dont let epilepsy take away your optimism..lifes still good never the less.
Re: How exactly do aura's feel
After 8 years I find out there's people that there' s a name for them and people feel them too, sweet!
My auras feel similar to some people here, they start with a strange taste in my mouth and sometimes I smell something burning (which reminds me of "the dead zone" by stephen king) and I get some kind of deja vu feeling . Sometimes they are deeper than others and when I start to get one of these feelings I always hope they go deeper because I love the sensation I get (even if I get headaches afterwards). It's a feeling of peace and nostaglia of something I can't figure out, so I'm usually happy when they happen
Re: How exactly do aura's feel
sounds like what you had was a seizure. you'll know when you have an aura. to this day i remember my first aura. i was stepping off the bus on my way back from a trip and i got this gut feeling that i wasn't actually there. it was like an out of body sort of thing that everytime i hear about it i roll my eyes but immediately following that i had this feeling SOMETHING wasn't right. everything spun for a split second, all i saw were colors, i smelled and tasted silver, and there was this HUGE feeling something was wrong. all the while it feels like deja vu. there's like this huge blood rush and something shoots through you that you know is just not right. i never in my life until that day could say, "i'm going to have a seizure" but somehow i just knew after that happened. there's this extreme level of fear. you know something bad is going to happen, you aren't sure when, you don't know what you can do, you don't know how to fix it so fear is definitely there. i felt so much fear one time i felt sick to my stomach. i called my dad and said, "i'm going to have a seizure" he said, "you're sure?" i said, "I'm positive. i don't know how i know i just do. something isn't right" i was crying because i couldn't fix this gut feeling that something horrible and unpreventable was about to happen. i saw colors, tasted silver, and saying it aloud sounded insane. when i told the doctor what happened he said, "that's an aura." i didn't know what it was until i had that but there's definitely a difference between a seizure and an aura. the school nurse didn't believe me and she left me alone for a moment, i ended up falling off the couch having a seizure on the tile floor. i don't know how i knew but i just knew. if it's an aura you'll know. granted, every person and aura is different, but without a doubt you will most definitely know when you have an aura.i'm lucky enough to have aura's enough in advance so i can take a valium and go to sleep preventing the seizure altogether. so i've had "weird feelings" to just incase i'll take a valium but i haven't had that in a while. the spacy, tinglig, (sometimes) mouth moving almost day dreaming or unconscious feeling, and possible eye roll, is a petit mal seizure.often called "dazes." it is possible to have an aura and not have a seizure but every case is different. some auras (like mine) are plenty time in advance while others could be immediately before not giving enough time to put it off. it all depends on the person's case. i hope i helped.
Re: How exactly do aura's feel
I get a feeling of deja vu then a warm feeling that starts in my groin and moves up this gives me time to swipe my vns and sit down but some times it moves fast and i crash when i wake up in fine at times other times i find myself out for a walk this is not good !!!
Re: How exactly do aura's feel
This has been some valuable information. I sometimes get the same feeling. This will help me distinguish the difference between them.
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Re: How exactly do aura's feel
From '74 till 1/4/11 I've always had Partial complex seizures which came on instantly w/o an aura. Auras are actually simple partials. Some simple seizures are only that and aren't aura of another type of seizure. On 1/4/11 I had a simple partial which I thought was going to quickly progress and become a partial complex, it stayed there. Then on 5/15 I had one just like that. Now I hope I'll never loose consciousness again and they'll stay simple, or stop. Timothy Baldwin
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Hi. i had E for about 19 yrs now since 4yrs old. Before, my aura would be a tight feeling in the base of my stomach, like an stomachache. Then i would space out. Like my vision will have this negative camera effect closing in. I can't describe it. And then I'll be floating away for a dream..
My dream is like a normal dream, but i'll hear things that turned out to be what i'm hearing in reality (like crying)
I would suddenly wake up groggy and it all comes back to me. i just had a seizure and vomit is all over me ( i usually wake up to find my mom hugging me & crying). they told me i fell and my muscles went stiff and my eyes fall back. But that time i would welcome seizure and vomit because its the only thing that could lift my stomachache.
That's when i was a child till preteens. In college, I would be unconscious but no more vomits. Now, my attacks come when i eat something bad or i have diarrhea, or i'm in some kind of physical pain that triggers my E. I can usually control it. When i feel the aura, i would focus my mind really hard, telling myself; i must not have this, especially if i'm in public. And it usually just fades away.
My last attack, i wasn't strong enough to fight it. It's really sad. But my cousin called me and i suddenly snapped out of it like i just woke up from an ordinary sleep.
I think i call it progress. Don't u think?
Re: How exactly do aura's feel
I've had quite a few auras. It's almost like they come in cycles. A few years ago(I'm 18, I was diagnosed with epilepsy when I was 15) I started to have them and it felt like the deja vu some of you were describing. I've had three different types of auras. I remember one where I was sitting at a lunch table and I could't move or do anything. That was the most terrifying one.
There was a while where I didn't have them for the longest time but about half a year ago I had one out of nowhere. I was at work cutting up potatoes and I had the familiar feeling come over me. I can't really describe it. It's kind of a nauseous feeling. I almost feel helpless and completely detatched from reality. After I had that aura, I was so angry and alsmost depressed because I thought I had grown out of them. That was the last one for a few months again.
These recent auras I can describe as still being able to function(walking, drinking, eating, etc.) but it's an incredibly strange sensation. I can see people and I can hear them, but I can't understand what they're saying and I can't properly respond to them. I can hear myself trying to talk and respond as best I can but I just can't get the words out and I almost don't understand what I'm saying myself.
These auras are annoying and distracting. Some people say that they can be a warning for a seizure but I've never had a seizure after them. I consider myself lucky, but they are still a major pain in the ass.
Re: How exactly do aura's feel
My auras My head feels funny a tingling inside ( not a good tingling a bad scary one)and it is like I am starting a yawn but it it not a yawn. Then my head sometimes hurts and sometimes it starts into a seizure. I have more than one type of seizure in my past. In my future who knows. Sometimes I see light like if eyes were closed but they were not. Hope this helps.
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Any ideas? I have had episodes of twitching, convulsing, tremors & rigidity (but they only last about 5 seconds). Do they still qualify as seizures?
My EEG was normal. But if I'm having simple-partial seizures, I've read that they often don't show on the tests (?)
I also have episodes where I get a wave of buzzing (in my head, blackness), pain in my head, tingling in my legs, and I lose control of my legs and start to fall. But I have not gone unconcious.
Also re: AURAS-- does blurring of eyesight qualify as a type of seizure? Or are auras a separate issue?
--also VOICES. I wake up in the night, panicked as if in a nightmare, terrified. And often I hear
voices, as if coming from the TV, or the next room. It sounds like somebody left the TV on. Even
though the screen is empty, I can hear the voices. I go and press 'OFF' again on both the 'power'
and the 'sound'. That's the only thing that snaps me out of it. Is that an aura? A seizure?
I haven't talked about it, because I'm afraid it will be misdiagnosed as a mental illness.
--finally SEEING THINGS. Either near-sleep, or during sleep, I wake up, again, panicked and
a knot in my stomach. I'll look around, or walk down the hall. And I've actually seen shapes
and pictures moving around on the door, or the wall. They look so real I've actually tried to
touch them. The only way to get out of this is to try & sleep. But by then I'm so shocked by
oddness of the episode, my mind is racing.
Am I going crazy????
I've seen a neurologist, but no diagnosis as of yet.
I'm afraid to go to sleep. When I get tired, theses episodes increase in both number & severity.
Please help me. I'm a mom, and my husband doesn't know how bad things are getting.
Re: How exactly do aura's feel
Three levels of aura's, all have hot flashes,some fear and some weekness. Lower level aura's have lower level type flashes, warning me this could be a bad day. Mid level Aura indicates it might be a good time to stabilize my ware abouts,sit down,stay away from water stove etc. Hi level usualy means get ready for the big one.
Re: How exactly do aura's feel
Yours kind of sound like absence seizures with the spaced out feeling. I have that feeling where I am not sure that I am supposed to be doing this or that. I think that is the wierdest feeling I get. Good luck!
Re: How exactly do aura's feel
Does anyone here get an associated scent with their Auras? so strange...


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Rambus in Cell Processors and Intel's Dual Core Announcementsby Anand Lal Shimpi on 2/7/2005 3:09 PM EST
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Idoxash - Monday, April 11, 2005 - linkI'm glad to see RAMBUS back in the fight :) Maybe this time they will prove their selfs to everyone who has the better tech that's not dino old.
--Idoxash-- Reply
Viditor - Monday, February 14, 2005 - linkDerek - RDRAM is higher latency than SDRAM for anything less than 800MHz (which was essentially unavailable due to poor yields). Also, DDR had far lower latency than even the 800MHz...
So, yes...the RDRAM roadmap would have been bad for AMD.
Even with the on-die memory controller, latency appears to be far more critical to Athlon's performance than bandwidth (and of course the opposite is true for Netburst chips). Reply
ceefka - Monday, February 14, 2005 - link#17 Would Rambus dare to sue Sony? That'll be the day. Reply
srg - Monday, February 14, 2005 - linkAt first, I just wasn't impressed with Cell, now with Rambus on the case, I'm possitively against it.
srg Reply
DerekWilson - Monday, February 14, 2005 - linkThough the discussion is probably over by now, I'm gonna add my two cents and say that AMD would definitely have benefited from RDRAM at the time. When it came out it was higher bandwidth and lower latency than PC100 or PC133. Doing these two things at the time when AMD still relied on the northbridge as a memory interface would have increased performance -- it's one more link in the chain that's stronger (or faster and wider as the case may be).
If you don't think I'm right, look at nforce2. improved bandwidth to the system increased performance. at the time, latency was also a larger issue, but now that amd has an integraded memory controller it's not as much a problem.
saying RDRAM would have been "bad" for AMD in terms of performance is probably not true. As far as business goes, AMD made a good decision not to support RDRAM.
Going back to what many have said before, with RAMBUS, the technology was not the problem (it was very good) as much as their business philosophy (which was horrifically bad).
But what about XDR + K10 ??
It'll never happen (and thankfully so, if I do say so myself), and the bandwidth would likely be overkill for even the next AMD solution. Still, it's interesting to think about. Reply
Viditor - Thursday, February 10, 2005 - linkThanks for the reply Jarred.
I absolutely agree with you that RDRAM was a FAR better fit for the Netburst architecture (which is why AMD never embraced it, it would have been terrible for the Athlon architecture).
On price however...IIRC, the price never came down until Intel began subsidizing it (I believe they spent ~$500 million doing so). The inherent problem wasn't market acceptance, it was:
1. DDR is made with the same Fab lines as SDRAM, and they could actually determine which kind of memory they wanted at the last stage of assembly
2. RDRAM required all new testing equipment, while DDR could continue using SDRAM testing equipment
3. The bin-splits for higher clocked RDRAM (800 Mhz) was extremely poor (~15% IIRC), and the lower clocked RDRAM wasn't as good as the DDR.
These are all the main reasons (IMHO) that Intel abondened RDRAM, because from a business standpoint (all things being equal), RDRAM was perfect for them and bad for AMD.
As for DDR2, yields are still a bit low while they ramp up. But I don't disagree that they are milking it...
Your point on 1MB/1066 is well taken, and I was quite surprised that Intel went with the 2MB cache choice (a VERY expensive decision!). I can only assume that they have been running into production problems...
All that said, I don't see Intel being very competitive on the performance side until next year (JMHO) when Conroe is released. My impression is that they are (wisely) pushing that release as hard as they can and I wouldn't be surprised if it's quite early.
Cheers, mate! Reply
retrospooty - Thursday, February 10, 2005 - linkRAMBUS = CACA ;) Reply
JarredWalton - Thursday, February 10, 2005 - link11 - Sorry to not get back to you earlier on this, Viditor. What I said about Rambus and Pentium 3 not going well together is very accurate. Forget the price for a minute. The P3 could only have something like 2 outstanding (unfulfilled) RAM requests at the same time. I think the chipsets could also only support 4 open banks of memory at a time, so the fact that RDRAM could support up to 32 open banks went completely unused.
P4, on the other hand, could handle more open banks/pages, more outstanding requests, and it had deeper buffers. Up until the 875P chipset, none of the DDR chipsets were actually able to surpass 850E for performance - and even then not in all areas. If Intel had stuck with RDRAM, PC1200 and even PC1600 would have surfaced, and it would be interesting to see performance of a P4 system with PC1600 RDRAM instead of PC3200 DDR.
If you look at historical price trends, once production of RDRAM ramped up, there was actually a brief period where it was slightly cheaper than DDR memory. Then Intel released DDR chipsets and abandoned RDRAM, demand for RDRAM dried up, and the prices climbed back up. Anyway, look at DDR2 and tell me that memory manufacturers aren't milking new technologies for all they can.
Shoulda, coulda, woulda... I don't hold any ill will towards Rambus, and if they can actually design a product that noticeably outperforms competitors, more power to them! In reality, of course, caches and such make the memory subsystem less of an impact on performance in a lot of applications. That's why FSB1066 is not doing much for Intel right now: the only official support is with CPUs that have 2MB of cache. I think a 1MB (or 512K) cache with FSB1066 would show more of a benefit. Maybe not enough to make it truly worthwhile, but more than the 3% or so that we saw with the P4XE 3.46. Reply
retrospooty - Thursday, February 10, 2005 - linkICE 9
All roads still lead to Rambus ? You aint been around long have you ?
As I said before... We have been hearing this for years. R&D and unreleased products means nothing. Rambus is full of it, and cannot be beleived until there is a shipping product, and its independantly benchmarked and isnt 10x more expenssive than the competition.
Its one thing to have specs, and partnerships, its totally another thing to ship working product at a price that consumers will be able to buy in mass quantities.
RAmbus has proven inept at the latter. Reply
Viditor - Thursday, February 10, 2005 - linkIce9 - Answer truthfully now, are you a Rambus shareholder? :-) Reply
Ice9 - Thursday, February 10, 2005 - link#17, first of all, tech companies sue each other all the time.
Intel has sued far more companies in its lifetime than Rambus has. Rambus to date has sued what, 5 companies? All for the same patent infringement?
How many companies has Intel or AMD sued over its patents?
Honestly, if you look at how many open patent lawsuits there are for any given technology company, you'll see that Rambus is actually a tame little kitten by comparison. But people love to hate Rambus because they have the better (and more threatening) technology, so it's smear-smear-smear until they hopefully go away.
Well, they aren't. So either embrace the superior technology or let the memory manufacturing cartels tell you that you need the slower stuff that costs more :)
Ice9 - Thursday, February 10, 2005 - linkRambus is going to be all over the place with Cell. They're using 3 key technologies for Cell, all invented by Rambus.
XDR (octal data rate memory), Redwood chip-to-chip internconnects, and Flexphase - which gets around that pesky equal-trace-length limitation that's been dogging DRAM for years.
Thus far, there's simply nothing coming out of the lazy memory manufacturers that make up JEDEC to compete with it. And if they decide to try, they better make sure they steer clear of Rambus patents :)
Oh, and yeah, none of it is vaporware either, at least not on Rambus' side. Toshiba has been sampling XDR for quite some time, and the interconnects have been available for even longer.
All roads still lead to Rambus. Reply
Viditor - Thursday, February 10, 2005 - linkTujan - "Why leave this out.Hyperthreaded software will remain to those that can pay for the higher priced equipment"
Hyperthreading is a way of simulating dual cores without all of the assets to process it. This is beneficial to Intel as they have a problem keeping the pipes fed. However, real dual cores use exactly the same software as HT, but they can process it completely. Reply
Viditor - Thursday, February 10, 2005 - linkMarch...what retro said is correct.
Live - "It looks to me that AMD:s lack of production capacity will really hurt us this year"
I doubt it, though on it's face it might appear so. The missing element is the 90nm ramp...
For example, at 130nm you get 186 candidate 3500+ dice per wafer, and at 90nm you get 329. At the moment, they are only halfway through their ramp and accelerating. Also, we are entering the low demand period...
This might also explain why AMD is delaying most of their desktop dualcore until 2006 (when Fab36 comes on line). 90nm dualcores will be about the same size as their 130nm single core counterparts. Reply
Tujan - Thursday, February 10, 2005 - linkWhat's interesting is that the 90nm dual core Pentium 4 Extreme Edition will feature Hyper Threading support, something that is left out of the regular Pentium 4 8xx series. """
This is a weird habit of Intels. Leaving a ventured into technology 'out of the next 'great new thing". Software wich was created to take advantage of hyperthreading will no longer be a criteria of software shoppers. No will the work of coders putting their software up to 'spec. be satified of their job well done.
Why leave this out.Hyperthreaded software will remain to those that can pay for the higher priced equipment.Development will remain on those that purchase that equipment.New technology will have another reason to consider themselves 'low end".
- hi ya Reply
Tujan - Thursday, February 10, 2005 - linkReply
retrospooty - Wednesday, February 09, 2005 - link#20
AMD scrapped the K9, and decided to go straight on with the K10 design. Reply
Live - Wednesday, February 09, 2005 - linkIt looks to me that AMD:s lack of production capacity will really hurt us this year. The only part that seems able to put up fight against AMD is the ridiculously priced Extreme Editions. On the other hand AMD are already at full capacity and making dual core will only reduce that even more. So Intel faces no real threat. Here in Sweden there has been a shortage of AMD 90 nm for 2 months know so they can't be making enough to satisfy demand.
Hopefully AMD will get the new fab up soon and/or Cell will be as good as can be and we can play with that instead. Intel looks like a nightmare for a value minded costumer. Reply
MarchTheMonth - Wednesday, February 09, 2005 - link"I'm also looking forward to AMD's K10 (also due out in 2006)!"
Considering that AMD has gone by increasing the number scheme by 1, and the current processor core is K8, do you mean K9, or did K10 development jsut look so good that the skipped over K9 and went right to K10? I figure an investor would know... Reply
MarchTheMonth - Wednesday, February 09, 2005 - link"Yup...SCO :-)"
That just totally made my day. Reply
Viditor - Wednesday, February 09, 2005 - link"I mean is there ANYONE in the tech world they HAVEN'T sued yet?"
Yup...SCO :-) Reply
Desslok - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - linkHow long before RAMBUS starts to sue everyone in this agreement? I mean is there ANYONE in the tech world they HAVEN'T sued yet? Reply
Viditor - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - linkThe bottom line is that both AMD and Intel will have multicore, 64bit, and virtualization available across all their lines by the time it's needed for Longhorn. The big question will be performance, and on this I have quite a bit more faith in AMD's offering because they have been designed for it since day 1. That said, I'm looking forward to Intel's next generation after Prescott (probably late 2006), Conroe. Prescott and all of it's derivations have been less than impressive (to say the least), but Conroe will be based on the quite impressive Dothan core.
I'm also looking forward to AMD's K10 (also due out in 2006)! 2006 should be a VERY interesting year (especially if MS gets off the dime on Longhorn!). Reply
erikvanvelzen - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - linkHmm i forgot the Xeon MP's which are coming. So it's more like 1 Xeon more. But again, the point is clear. Reply
erikvanvelzen - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - linkuhm the sceme i tried to make above doesn't really make sense but yours is even worse.
I forgot yonah. maybe i have 1 itanium too much and a xeon. but the point is clear. 11 projects means 11 codenames. Reply
erikvanvelzen - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - linkI quote:
The first thing they sent out to us was an interesting fact - that Intel has 11 multi-core projects that they're working on for the 2005 - 2006 time period. Doing a quick number check we're left with the following breakdown:
3 - "Smithfield" based Pentium 4 8xx series CPUs
1 - dual core Pentium 4 Extreme Edition
3 - "Yonah" based Pentium M CPUs (in 2006)
That leaves us with four unaccounted for chips - we'd expect Xeon and Itanium to fill in those blanks nicely.
(end of quote)
Sorry I must disagree with you on that. I think every code name has only ONE project. I think the list is more like this:
conroe (desktop merom)
merom (mobile conroe)
allendale (maybe moved to 2007)
Then we have 4 Xeon products related to the desktop parts and 2 Itanium products (I'm too lazy to look for the code names).
That makes 11! Reply
benk - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - linkIt's a shame that Intel is basically crippling the consumer-level parts compared to the EEs. I wonder if it's to maintain the price premium, or if it has more to do with getting an acceptable yield. I can't imagine that it's a big enough percentage of sales to justify any additional engineer, so I would guess it's the latter. Reply
Viditor - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - linkJarred - "That is the heart of the whole Rambus problem. The Pentium 3 was not designed AT ALL to make use of Rambus"
I disagree somewhat...the real problem that Rambus had was "bang for the buck". They had some good engineering, but the only parts worth anything were the high-clocked ones, and they were WAY overpriced for the boost (if any) you received.
The royalty problem isn't so much that they charge one (as you say, many do), it's that it's so nose-bleedingly high (many times what others charge)! Also, since they are an IP-only company, there can be none of the usual cross-licensing deals which help keep costs down for the manufacturers...
They also have a nasty habit of litigating at the drop of a hat!
JMHO Reply
Viditor - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - linkCall me cynical (if you must), but I'm reminded strongly of the old 1 GHz race...
AMD and Intel came out within a few days of one another (AMD sure snuck THAT one in!), but actually finding shipping chips was another matter (biggest paper launch Intel has ever done IIRC). Of course this time, they are both releasing low demand parts...Opteron and EE (though I think Opteron will have a much greater demand than EE).
It will be interesting to see when the parts are really available this time... Reply
retrospooty - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - linkBah... With Rambus, the best thing to do is ignore them... All the specs and hype mean absolutley nothing.
Wait until there is a shipping product, and judge it by price and performance. Until then, everything they say or do means nothing. Reply
IntelUser2000 - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - link#7
Actually it seems Prescott doesn't want more memory bandwidth AT ALL, so XDR would do nothing. It seems Prescott is designed for nothing but clock speed scaling, it cares nothing about cache, nothing about bandwidth, perfect for scaling clock speeds since increase in clock speed=more bandwidth requirement but since Prescott doesn't care, its all good. Its all moot now though.
If you want to see that go to www.x86-secret.com for reviews. The 2MB cache Prescotts do absolutely nothing for performance while costing 20% more. So does the 3.73GHz Prescott 2M EE, even with 1066MHz bus its slower than 3.46GHz Northwood 2MB L3 1066MHz bus EE. Reply
stevty2889 - Monday, February 07, 2005 - linkI was worried for a second there when the mentioned rambus and Intel dual core in the heading together..although it would be interesting to see how much the Prescott would like all the bandwidth XDR ram could provide.. Reply
JarredWalton - Monday, February 07, 2005 - linkDon't get so down on Rambus, guys. Did they cause some trouble initially? Yes. But then, AMD, Intel, ATI, NVIDIA, VIA.... Just about any major technology company has made a product that people didn't like, or one that was timed poorly, offered less than acceptable performance, etc. Rambus is actually some pretty interesting stuff at the low level. The basic point of any memory technology was covered in the memory article we published a while ago:
"Any design can be modified to work with higher or lower latencies; it is but one facet of the overall goal which needs to be addressed."
That is the heart of the whole Rambus problem. The Pentium 3 was not designed AT ALL to make use of Rambus. It couldn't really use DDR well either, although Intel never pursued that. The Pentium 4 actually made very good use of Rambus, and up until the 865/875 were released, the Rambus chipsets (850/850E) were the fastest performing P4 chipsets. Graphics chips in particular are usually quite happy with higher latencies as long as they also get higher bandwidth. XDR certainly offers that!
XDR at 400 MHz octal-pumped gives 3.2 GHz per pin, so a 64-bit interface can provide a whopping 25.6 GB/s of bandwidth. Yeah, the 256-bit interface on an X850XT or 6800U provides more total bandwidth, but only by using four times as many pins. Considering most graphics chips with 64-bit DDR solutions are only providing 3.2 GB/s of bandwidth, XDR is very interesting.
We'll see how the actual implementation turns out. Personally, I would not be at all surprised to see NVIDIA try XDR with an upcoming GPU. The "royalty problem" of Rambus really isn't that big of a deal in the larger scheme of things. Remember that Pentium, Athlon, Opteron, etc. are all proprietary technologies that have a built-in "royalty" to their designers. Reply
knitecrow - Monday, February 07, 2005 - linkThe flexIO sounds interesting, does any one acutally know what the bandwidth is like for such an IO and how does it compare to hypertransport?
Brian23 - Monday, February 07, 2005 - link#2, Who says that I'm going to connect my PS3 to the internet? If I just use it as a game machine, sony can't do anything with my hardware. Even if I did connect it to the internet, I HIGHLY doubt that there is a backdoor for sony to do stuff to it. It would just be a hole for someone to exploit. Reply
xsilver - Monday, February 07, 2005 - linkis there any word / ideas on the possbility of overclocking in the dual core p4's ? running 800mhz fsb may not make that easy but........
and also with rambus I think a lot of people will take the stance of "I'll believe it when I see it" since so many people still have a bad taste in their mouths :) Reply
DestruyaUR - Monday, February 07, 2005 - linkAnyone else think it's kind of odd that Cells are using Rambus, a technology we were ALSO told was going to revolutionize computing as we then knew it?
Also, I'd like to know - since Cell's power depends on interconnectivity, is there a central compromisable link to control the network it'll create.
A conspiracy theorist could almost make the case that Sony would have access to one of, if not THE, most powerful supercomputer in the world...and if not them, whoever could compromise the net. Reply
MarchTheMonth - Monday, February 07, 2005 - linkI really think amd will release a press info tomorrow that they will have dual core opterons and athlon64's ready 2 days before intel will have their dualies out. Reply


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MSMU Campus Visit Calendar
Tuesday, April 1, 2014
Tour and Discussion Time: 2:00p - 4:00p Location: Admissions Office Details:
During the academic year, the Admissions Office will offer student-led campus tours MOST Mondays through Fridays at 2 p.m. Reservations are strongly encouraged, as space is limited. This tour lasts approximately 1.5 hours and showcases the main academic campus and our east campus athletic facilities. Each tour can be followed by an optional discussion with an Admissions Representative.


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Citrus Organic Body Lotion 8oz:: Pharmacopia
Pharmacopia just sent me a bottle of this rich, shea butter-based body lotion to try and it's gorgeous. The citrus is not the knock your olfactory senses into oblivion kind but rather a delicious, soft, sweet kind of citrus with complex notes that's just beeeeeautiful. Named one of the top body lotions by Town and Country Magazine, it's perfect for skin softening all year round and as an amazing after sun treatment. It comes in a handy 8 oz recyclable frosted plastic pump bottle that gives just the right amount for an arm or leg. Love it.