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ASRock Z77 OC Formula Review: Living In The Fast Laneby Ian Cutress on 1/15/2013 1:00 PM EST
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CeriseCogburn - Tuesday, January 15, 2013 - linkThey keep getting better.
Their old board line ups had the most diverse setups and options with cpu sockets, chipsets, ram options, and the like, from P4 through core2 it was a wild assortment.
They must have developed a lot of knowledge and attracted skill, and know we see it paying off.
Are they not nearly or perhaps the most innovative. Reply
DanNeely - Tuesday, January 15, 2013 - linkAbout a decade ago most of the smaller boutique enthusiast mobo companies started going under. All of the large but poorly regarded budget mobo makers were able to snap up full teams of people who knew how to design good boards. While it's taken time to spread their knowledge company wide there aren't any true garbage mobos on the market like there used to be and even the traditional bottom end of the market companies are generally turning out high quality parts. Reply
Assimilator87 - Tuesday, January 15, 2013 - linkMan, I really miss Abit. Reply
IanCutress - Tuesday, January 15, 2013 - linkA lot of Abit went to Bitfenix. Now we get cases like the Prodigy to play with :) Reply
NichrolasHoult - Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - linkLove my job, since I've been bringing in $5600… I sit at home, music playing while I work in front of my new iMac that I got now that I'm making it online(Click on menu Home)
Happy New Year! Reply
vwgtiron - Thursday, January 17, 2013 - linkI use to love me some Soyo motherboards. Then towards the end quality went off the end for AMD support anyways. Reply
Flunk - Thursday, January 17, 2013 - linkI had a lot of trouble with a SOYO KT400 Dragon Ultra. That was a pricey board and it was so unstable (even at stock clocks) that I actually replaced it.. with an ABit AN7, which was such a good board that I got my 2500+ (1.83ghz) up to 2.4Ghz on a Thermaltake silent boost.
Ah, memories. I miss those companies.
I suppose ASUS is still around (and bigger than ever). Reply
Flunk - Thursday, January 17, 2013 - linkAs a follow up, I would say that boards are a lot more homogeneous now. You can get a good board easily, for cheap, but sometimes the pricey ones are no better than the cheap ones.
The Gigabyte z68x-ud3h-b3 I have now is a really lousy board for overclocking. You can be stable for a week, then one day it refuses to post unless you reset stock settings. At which point you can set the same overclock again and it works fine. Lousy junk. Reply
charliem76 - Tuesday, January 15, 2013 - linkI saw that line and raised an eyebrow. Is that something you weren't supposed to mention? Between the articles and the podcast, I don't recall hearing anything about that.
I did theorize that one could cram two 2.5" platter drives into the space filled by one 3.5" drive and have room left over for a RAID controller to feed into one SATA port. Or with the space of an optical drive, even more 2.5" drives. Reply
IanCutress - Tuesday, January 15, 2013 - linkThe Mushkin 960GB Chronos is reported to have two 480GB SSDs inside with a RAID 0, and the already tested OWC Mercury Electra does as well:
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themossie - Tuesday, January 15, 2013 - linkTwo SSDs using one SATA III connection will be severely bandwidth-constrained, a single SSD is already near the limits of SATA III (6 Gbps = ~600MB/sec max in practice). More SATA connections means much more available bandwidth...
Get something like http://www.amazon.com/Silverstone-5-25-Inch-Conver... and roll the RAID yourself :-)
The linked drive bay converter is really great - although I wouldn't trust it with four hard drives due to heat. Reply
ShieTar - Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - linkThats not exactly a new development, OCZ are selling their colossus line since 2009. You could still buy one, but I think it stopped making sense a while ago, as they are slower than most single SATA6G-SSDs.
There are also several PCIe-based solutions with internal RAID-0 solutions available for at least two years now. I don't see why Ian should not mention them. Reply
Flunk - Thursday, January 17, 2013 - linkIf you really want that you need to get something like the OCZ Revodrive series. Multiple SSD controllers all hooked up to PCIe. SATA's just not fast enough. Reply
NitroWare - Tuesday, January 15, 2013 - linkTheres innovative for the sake of being the bleeding edge (eg ROG) and theres innovative for making features that a vendor assumes its customers want or commercialy driven. Asrock would go in the latter.
Note their answer to Ian's question about the naming Unforuntly that mentalilty is prevalient with some vendors despite what they are told by media or testers.
"I eagerly await a Z87 OC Formula which can build upon the additional features listed above. If, for a few more dollars, we got an included ASRock Game Blaster, 5 GHz WiFi or an mSATA for not much more on the price, then it will speak out to gamers and boutique system builders even more."
Even if they put those features on that doesnt automatically put it at the top of the podium.
They'd put them on and then ruin it with some feature they read on a forum or 'brainstormed'.
Compare the Z68 and Z77 Fatalilty boards - the Z68 had an almost if not perfect rear IO backplane with its 2 HDMI ports, dual GBE, switches and abundance of USB ports. They went and added DVI to the Z77. Really ? OK Lucid Virtu/multiple displays but this is an enthusiast board not a H77.
This is all Intel's 'idea' and they didnt feel a need to put a DVI on theirs, their DZ77RE has a single rotated HDMI to save space and they fited what the enthusiast wants and needs, nothing more.
They have alot of work to do on their UEFI (NTFS support, Automatic Fan Control, things that have been for granted on other brands), Their software (their fan control sw lacks error catching), production line QA and valdation lists are less comprehensive than GA/ASUS plus they need to answer customer tech support tickets or emails.
Asrock Support once told me not to use Kingston Memory when I reported a non memory related problem (faulty board) as they didnt really validate that and 'had problems' with it, a company saying things like this is unacceptable for many reasons.
Ian did not miss anything with this comprehenive review, although I am personally curious as to how sturdy their heatsink assembly is based on my experiences with their other modern boards.
I really liked the Z68 Fatalilty despite its shortcomings, the old X58 Delux seemed to work well for many people and I guess we can say this one doesnt suck either. They are really trying but then they feel they need to bring back old ghosts from the past by toying with gimics like XFast RAM rather than concentrating on core hardware and software engineering.
Have a look at their Q77 board, its a recycled H77 even still retaining their enthusiast livery and THX logo, OK then.
Anyone remeber the X58 Supercomputer? NVIDIA professional certified. Yeah excactly. Funny how that went into the wind, perhaps the licensing was expensive but that was waters even ASUS didn't put their toes into.
They know their place as a budget vendor and it shows, hence emphasis on innovations that dont cost them as much as major R&D. Reply
IanCutress - Tuesday, January 15, 2013 - linkSince I started reviewing I've never given a gold award to a motherboard (one to ROG as a brand), and I think in some 70 odd boards I've only given three or four silver awards. Gold needs to be perfect - BIOS, software, performance, easy of use, add-ins and price. Obviously there are things we can't test, like RMA or support.
But ASRock did seem to use a different way of thinking on this board - whether that's the Nick Shih influence or not I'm not sure, I've only met him once in passing.
Some boards that come out from vendors are designed for a specific customer in mind (Gigabyte H77N-WiFi) and are released to the public after the initial batch, whereas others ask users what they want. Like you, if I was given a pen and paper to design a motherboard, it would probably be very different to almost everything out there, based on what I think people needed. But compromise always comes in, and for example back panel connectors cost a fair bit, so a manufacturer might buy a thousand to keep the costs per unit down, or have a very good procurement offer for a certain type. If a designer wants something new on the rear IO, procurement might reject it for being too expensive, or it may not exist, or a manager might reject it for the BOM going over budget, or it may be rejected because a particular SI doesn't want it like that. Some model ranges are excluded from this, or someone like Intel has enough cash to do whatever they want.
Major R&D doesn't make the money - the products do. In my ROG review and interviews with staff, I found out it's taken them 7 years to break even in terms of sales vs. R&D. Very few companies are willing to do that. But it is good to see a great package now and again, and we all hope it becomes a stepping stone for the future.
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Kevin G - Tuesday, January 15, 2013 - linkWell at this juncture I think it is fair to ask, how would you define the perfect motherboard? If you were to design a board, what specs and layout would it have? Any standards you adhere to or absolutely want to ignore to get the ideal product? Anything innovative you want to see on a board that you haven't yet? What price would you sell it at considering its BOM? Reply
NitroWare - Tuesday, January 15, 2013 - linkYou can easily test RMA and support.
RMA - check what the procedure is in place is for certain regions, heck an eyeballing of newegg comments for bugs/ dud boards/vga doesn't go astray. Arrangements vary per region.
Support - email their support or fill in a ticket with a non publication domain name.
If you get an automated 'your ticket is in the queue' message - good
If you get a human reply - better.
If no reply within a certain time period or unacceptable facepalm answer - fail
If a vendor has a online chat (Intel and Coolermaster do) do they know their own products? Does the vendor have a staffed forum?versus relying on a tech site for their forum?
If someone has an issue, ameutuer or enthusiast they are going to google their problem after all.
While I agree with you bout they thought different about this board. One cant helpt notice that someone handed them a ROG board and the breif was 'make our own version of this but dont copy it', thats not neccesarily bad though.
If a vendor is playing supply channel/logistics games with their components and that ends up affecting an enthusiast or expensive board well thats not a positive is it. Their Z68 did have easy RAM clips for example and issues such as you described come into play
One can say ASUS ROG was trying to win customers away from ASUS 'delux' or 'premium' boards where as ASR is just trying to win customers outright, or even a repeat buy.
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Assimilator87 - Tuesday, January 15, 2013 - linkNot sure if this is done in other reviews, but the majority of the conclusion was copied from the overview. Pretty lame to be honest. Reply
IanCutress - Tuesday, January 15, 2013 - linkIt has been in a couple over the years. It is sometimes hard (and time consuming) to come up with 400-600 new words which essentially rewrite the overview to say the same thing in the conclusion but with a final statement. If it's severely an issue, I'll refrain from it in the future :)
Ian Reply
cmdrdredd - Tuesday, January 15, 2013 - linkWHY!? This is clearly way over $180 and targeting the $300 boards like the Maximus V Formula from Asus. Does it beat that particular board? How about the $200 Maximus V Gene? We don't know because they were not included in any testing.
This board is most definitely not meant to be compared to boards under $200 but boards over it's price point. Reply
IanCutress - Tuesday, January 15, 2013 - linkWe haven't got around to testing those. I have the Z77 MPower and Z77X-UP7 in to test at the minute, and they will be reviewed in due course.
Also, comparing against a board that I gave an award to is perfectly valid - it gives at least a standard and a comparison point. Over a certain price point, various groups of users will refuse to spend money on a motherboard unless there is a tangible benefit.
Ian Reply
Paazel - Tuesday, January 15, 2013 - linkHow can this board/company be awarded anything from this site? I thought you guys factor in post sale support/RMA procedure when reviewing boards?
My Z68 board has been a nightmare, I upgraded to the newest BIOS and had installed Windows seven times before I realized that the board must be bad. It was a nightmare to get them to send a new BIOS (as the BIOS could not be rolled back). The forgot to ship it, then shipped it to my home rather than the location the computer was at. The BIOS didn't work so I had to RMA the board. ASRock does NOT do advance RMA at all (even if you secure it by credit card). How can this be OK for a silver award at all? Additionally the RMA procedure takes 5-7 business days to examine, upon which they send it out fedex ground. This is typically 2.5 weeks all said and done (I shipped via FedEx 2day). This is among the worst support possible, this should be factored in to all ASRock product reviews. Reply
threeclaws - Tuesday, January 15, 2013 - linkCustomer Support should be a major factor in reviews but nobody is doing it. I was "chatting" with a reviewer on hardocp about this and he was saying it would be impossible to do it for every board but that maybe a yearly round up could be implemented. I hope hardocp does it because it will force sites like anandtech (and others) to follow suit whether they want to or not.
With companies like Asus running around getting awards left and right, paired with the worst customer service in the industry (this seems fairly well known at this point) there will be no change unless major review sites start taking them to task over it.
p.s. I haven't really experienced asrock customer support but am enjoying my z77 board from them. Reply
A5 - Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - linkNone of these companies have good support because they don't need it and the market has clearly shown that it doesn't really care about it. Most motherboards that go bad will do so within the return period. Reply
Voldenuit - Tuesday, January 15, 2013 - linkDear Anandtech,
Please stop wasting our time with $200 motherboard reviews.
Thank you,
The Internet. Reply
Razorbak86 - Tuesday, January 15, 2013 - linkDear Voldenuit, please stop trying to speak for "The Internet". tyvm
Dear Ian, please continue with your motherboard reviews. I read almost every one, including those in the $200 price category. I suspect I am not alone, but I will not presume to speak for others.
Best regards,
Razorbak86 Reply
vwgtiron - Thursday, January 17, 2013 - linkI concur sir, I am all about bang for the buck. And as it is currently time for me to update my gaming rig well. I am trying to decide to pull the trigger or hold off 2 more months. But this motherboard for me hits the sweetspot and offers me a lot for my dollar, still allows me to add in a separate sound card if I deem so. Throw my intel NIC in and boom, cream machine.
Also Ian I really like your reviews. Your getting better all the time. Thank you. Reply
A5 - Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - linkWhat do you want instead?
$80 motherboards are boring and $300+ motherboards are just stupid (so incredibly stupid). Reply
irsmurf - Thursday, January 17, 2013 - linkI couldn't disagree more. $200 motherboards are the sweet spot between high performance and enthusiast / superfluous. Reply
iamkyle - Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - linkWhy haven't the award medals been updated? They still use the old Anandtech logo and style! Reply
irsmurf - Thursday, January 17, 2013 - linkThe medals are super janky. For having such a clean site, you'd think they could scrounge up $50 for those simple images. If he can't find them on these forums, There are a few talented artists on Something Awful's FS/FT forum. Reply
KPRage - Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - linkWhy isn't the Maximus V gene or, Extreme in the comparison list? Will this not be a more appropriate comparison to be made for an OC board?
KP Reply
zeehan - Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - linkForgive me if Im wrong guys, But the car certainly Looks like a Lamborghini Aventador to me :P Reply
Maraque - Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - linkIt is a Lamborghini Aventador. Reply
IanCutress - Friday, January 25, 2013 - linkChanged. I recently watched the Top Gear USA + UK Aventador episodes again, and yup, it's that :) Reply
Olotila - Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - linkI am considering buying this board or extreme6, and this one thing seems quite advanced technology ...
How can you have raid of at least three disks if you have only two ports?
"2 x SATA 6.0 Gbps (Chipset), RAID 0, 1, 5, 10" Reply
Kevin G - Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - linkThe RAID5 and 10 functionality are shared between the two 6 Gbit and four 3 Gbit SATA ports from the chipset. Thus you have a total of six ports to build a RAID5 or RAID10 array. Reply
Olotila - Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - linkOk so not very optimal for say four fast ssd's in raid 10, right? Darn. Reply
oiVoodsio - Thursday, January 17, 2013 - linkThe box art is not a Lambo of any sort, the murci has a flat bottom unlike the box. The box has more of the Ferrari Enzo look to the front spoilers. I'd say its a modified Enzo which was designed and inspired by F1 Racing. Reply
IanCutress - Friday, January 25, 2013 - linkThe headlights point towards Lamborghini, but the front intake and grills were confusing me and it's not standard. Turns out the only Lambo with that is the Aventador. Reply
kmmatney - Thursday, January 17, 2013 - linkIn the gaming benchmarks the ASRock Extreme4, $100 cheaper, gets the same result, even after the massive overclock on this board. While the overclocking is impressive, you can get a decent overclock with any cheap Z77 motherboard, and spend the difference in price on a better on a better video card, or the next grade of processor. Reply
Onus - Thursday, January 17, 2013 - linkI'd like to pass along my own experience with ASRock Customer Support. Cutting to the chase, it was entirely positive. I had obtained the review sample of an ASRock board from another site, which meant there was no warranty coverage. Unfortunately, the board died in the middle of a game. CPU temps were good, and I'd not [yet] had any reason to OC. Although I'd kept it at stock, it was a mini-ITX in a PC-Q08R, and the presence of a HD7870 in the build may have allowed something on the board to overheat, despite the pair of case fans. Anyway, I initiated an RMA request, fully explaining this situation, not trying to avoid their $50 service fee for out-of-warranty products. All correspondence was by email, and was handled quickly, with same or next day (if late) responses. I did pay the fee, but the RMA was handled quickly, and the new board is now just waiting for a brain (I used the original i5-3570K CPU in another build). Reply
watersb - Thursday, January 17, 2013 - linkIan, you are a MOTHERBOARD MADMAN!!! I can't keep up, but I try anyway.
Sincere THANKS for these recent reviews. Wow. Reply
The Magpie - Friday, January 18, 2013 - linkI like this board. In fact I like ASRock more and more. I remember the old days when their entire lineup was silly looking, bad performing boards. Those days are gone now and that is great. But that is not the point of this comment.
The point is to say that I'm feeling a bit offended by having to read through the same bloody lines, once at the very beginning, and again at the very end of the article. Great technical knowledge Ian, but have some kind of respect for yourself and your work, and don't copy\paste the same lines from the first to the last page. What happened, ran out of things to say? Embarrassing and outrageous for someone who takes the time to read through your entire piece. Reply
waldojim42 - Sunday, January 20, 2013 - linkI see that you are finally testing for some idea of sound quality, and I am quite grateful, but why aren't we hammering on these companies over missing features here? I care about one thing and one thing only; Dolby Digital Live encoding. I don't see why I should be forced to by a $150 Creative labs POS just so I can use the fiber connection for my 5.1 audio.
This is a feature that was available as far back as the Nvidia Nforce 2 for crying out loud! Why is this not standard on $200+ motherboards? It cannot be that difficult, and I am sure there are more than a few gamers out there that would be happy to see this.
As of right now, the ONLY motherboard on my radar is the Gigabyte Sniper 3. Sadly, they used a Creative chipset to get the job done, but at least it is built into the board.
Anand, could you possibly reach out to these manufacturers and get them to understand people want this? The worst part, is that it is quite obvious there is very little in licensing costs involved, if Creative is anything to go by ($5 to get DDL on your current product!) and that is money well spent. Reply
IanCutress - Friday, January 25, 2013 - linkWould you be interested in B75 with a Creative chip? Drop me an email with specifics. I'm not an audio nut (tone deaf too), but I can pass on some info :)
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jimmyzaas - Tuesday, January 22, 2013 - linkI was very close to picking up the Z77 OC Formula. The only thing that I didn't like was that tiny fan for the VRM. I've had an Abit board before with the southbridge fan and about 2 years in, it started to get louder and louder until all you hear is grinding noise. Issue was that whole assembly was proprietary and replacing the fan means replacing the entire heatsink. Since then, I've vowed not to get any mobo that needed a fan of any kind.
My question is.. do the VRMs get that hot that they require active cooling? I mean no other boards, including that monster Gigabyte UD7 needed fans? Or is it just for show.. if so, it is a retarded move. Second question, is it like a standard 40mm fan that can be replaced easily? If not, is the board still stable with NO fan attached.
To the poster above wondering about the Sniper board.. I have it and that audio is the best I've ever had from a motherboard. I have a Gigabyte board with Realtek 889 audio and the Core3D just crushes it in every way. Now I haven't heard Realtek 898 on my sound system, so I can't compare.. but I'm really blown away by the sound. Not really impressed by Killer NIC though. Reply
IanCutress - Friday, January 25, 2013 - linkThe VRM fan is predominantly there in case (a) low air flow situation, like a closed-loop liquid cooler, or (b) hot ambient climate. You are perfectly justified in taking the connector out if neither of those apply to you. VRMs during normal stock usage are easily cooled by cross air flow, but as you start hitting 4.8 GHz+, they might start kicking out some heat if you are constantly hammering the CPU with loads. A small 40mm fan probably doesn't do much in that case, but it does something.
With regard to the UP7, they use IR3550s, which are designed to pump out less heat for the same power - and there's 32 of them, so the heat generated is spread around such that the long extended heatsink can take care of everything.
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AMD's 65nm Brisbane Core Previewed: The most energy efficient AMD CPU to dateby Anand Lal Shimpi on 12/14/2006 6:08 PM EST
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IntelUser2000 - Thursday, December 21, 2006 - linkLooking at PURELY gaming purposes. Faster CPU is ABSOLUTELY USELESS. Face it, majority of the gamers that are considered hardcore doesn't run 2560x1600 resolutions, and it looks like at the resolutions they are running at, 1280x1024 or 1600x1200, it seems getting a faster CPU is worth it.
Nope. Why get a faster CPU when you already get 100+ frames per second?? What a video card enables is get higher quality graphics WITHOUT losing performance compared to the lower performing video cards. A CPU does what?? A absolutely useless 20 additional frames onto the already more than enough 100+.
Now we still see reviewers benching systems with 4xAA and 16xAF at ever higher(and ridiculously unreal) resolutions. But we know latest video cards allows super high AA features too. 1600x1200 with 16xAA 64xAF(Ok I forgot what the highest AF was, cut me some slack ok?? Way too many features in new video cards, lost track around X800 time...) sounds pretty good. Reply
esterhasz - Sunday, December 17, 2006 - linkI would have loved to see how low the 65nm parts undervolt... Reply
Tujan - Friday, December 15, 2006 - linkWould have been better comparing the 6400 Intel,to a 4600 x2 since these come in to even application performance.
Then comparing the 5000 to them both.
Performance per watt is meaningless here.Since the formula (fps/power)is also useless without the baseline.
The 6600 outperforms the 6400 Intel Core Duo.The 5000 x2 outperforms the 4600 x2 AMD.So higher FPS of the higher performing processor is skewed to the formula as well.
I see that your dealing with a range between 15 and 30$ though.
Nobody knows just how well the AMD 5000 x2 does better than the 4600 x2 anyway.
I see you have EEs there AMD (x2).So couldn't go wrong in that effect.Purchasing an AMD 65nm x2 5000(non-extreme).Seeing the 5000 x2 only has 512kbx2 cache.
Long as AMD doesn't put everybody up to those thousand dollar processors.Im ok with them. Reply
coldpower27 - Friday, December 15, 2006 - linkSo? That's AMD problem they can't afford to put 4MB of LV2 on their processors. The comparison is what it is processors at equal price points. They only had the 5000+ on hand, so it was compared to the closest processor in price.
The 4600+ was only used as it is the highest 65W TDP processor on the 90nm node. It was probably used to see if the 65W TDP was justified on the 5000+ 65nm.
Genx87 - Friday, December 15, 2006 - linkAMD needs a new core and that is the scientific truth! Reply
hubajube - Friday, December 15, 2006 - linkI don't know about you'ins. But I give a shit less about Intel's or AMD's or Macy's marketing prowess. I do my own research from my own sources and make decisions based on that. What's an ad? What's a TV commercial? Only the clueless and the lazy need those to guide them in what products to buy or even if the product exists. I don't give a shit about marketing. Reply
duploxxx - Friday, December 15, 2006 - linkNice price comparison... maybe you should also add that for the same future set you get on the mobo there is a price difference of 1/3 in favor of AMD! So put a e6400 in line of this comparison then you have the same price tag!
Well we all know oc'ing c2d is for noobs.... you don't need any knowledge...(see it as good or as bad whatever you want)
but oc'ing AMD does require knowledge.
Htt link is on 1125, what do you expect to reach of an oc? on 90nm parts most of the htt link knocked out around 1060-1080, so maybe try to make a decent oc...
And where is a screenshot of the mem and devider when you are oc'ing?
Anand Lal Shimpi - Friday, December 15, 2006 - linkSorry I should have addressed this in the review - HTT speed had no impact on my overclocking results with this particular chip; even with a HT multiplier of 4X the chip won't get into Windows at 2.99GHz. Memory wasn't a factor as it was set to the lowest speed possible in order to see how far we could push the CPU.
I have a feeling that with better air cooling close to 3GHz may be possible, but I wanted to look at the worst case scenario overclocking potential of just using a stock heatsink/fan similar to what we did in our Core 2 overclocking article upon its release.
I'm working on the Brisbane 4800+ now and will find out soon if it overclocks any better.
Take care,
Anand Reply
JarredWalton - Friday, December 15, 2006 - linkOC'ing AMD is pretty simple as well. Just drop the HTT multiplier to 4X if you get above about 220 MHz - not that the total HTT speed generally matters. You can also drop memory dividers if you have less capable RAM. I still think 775 overclocking requires a bit more knowledge/effort - a bit, I said, not a lot! I can't see anyone but an elitist thinking easier OC'ing would be a bad thing, though. Reply
duploxxx - Friday, December 15, 2006 - linkwhy is 775 oc harder, it has one factor less to keep in mind and then i won't speak about the memory options....
I've used already a 6600 to play with on an asus board, just left everything to auto, put the fsb to 400 and hey it runned stable on 3600 (depending on your memory offcourse)? WTF you could say on stock vcore? nope the board increased the vcore automatically.... it was running on 1,56 auto :)
Will you update this review due to the htt? or will you leave as lots of you're reviews (like the woodrcest testing) saying that some more test are comming but eventually nothing changes.... people actually read your reviews and believe them by hard...so accurate review is always welcome.... Reply
Anand Lal Shimpi - Friday, December 15, 2006 - linkPart 2 is coming Monday with Brisbane 4800+ results :)
Take care,
Anand Reply
Anand Lal Shimpi - Monday, December 18, 2006 - linkJust an update guys - Part 2 is ready to go, just waiting for a few clarifications from AMD on performance, memory dividers and die size of Brisbane.
Take care,
Anand Reply
OcHungry - Friday, December 15, 2006 - linkMr. Anand, is it possible that you use Asus's Crosshair motherboard if attempting for the max overclocking of these 65nm's? It's only fair when you use top Intel board but leave out top AM2 board. I have an understanding that Asus's Crosshair board is ~ 15%-17% better performer than other boards. Also I've heard that the DFI board is a great Overclocker and you have used it on the s939 reviews. I would appreciate it if you use either board, but preferably the Asus Crosshair.Thanks. Reply
clairvoyant129 - Sunday, December 17, 2006 - linkA different motherboard won't save this sorry ass piece of junk. Reply
Anand Lal Shimpi - Friday, December 15, 2006 - linkUnfortunately I don't have either of those boards here for testing, but I'm sure I can persuade either Gary or Wes to do a follow-up with a more serious look at 65nm overclocking once I'm done with the power analysis on these chips. :)
Take care,
Anand Reply
xenon74 - Friday, December 15, 2006 - linkJarred, why is then HT Link @ 1125Mhz on Anand's "unfortunate" OC attempt? Reply
ADDAvenger - Friday, December 15, 2006 - linkAnyone else wondering what this means for the new generation of Turion X2s?
I know Santa Rosa is coming out either Q1 or Q2 this year; it's supposed to support an 800 or 400mhz FSB, depending on system load, which should drop power consumption a bit. But, as I understand it, the real battery suckers are CPU, display, and HDD. (Yeah throw in GPU too if you have discrete graphics.) But where does that leave the chipset, will Santa Rosa really do much for battery life?
If not, AMD could make serious inroads into the laptop segment. 65W is hot for a laptop, but if they can drop their desktop TDPs by about a 1/3 or 1/4, why can't they do the same for their laptop chips? Reply
mino - Friday, December 15, 2006 - linkThey can. And they will...
FYI even 90nm Turions consume LESS power than Merom. (Merom is more power hungry than Yonah).
Also RS690M is about to rule the integrated market (along with RS700M for C2D). In other word AMD is gonna rule the chipset market for both platforms while beeing pretty competitive in CPU's, especially for bussiness use.
(for bussiness the features and battery life is what counts, not the absolute performance) Reply
Johnmcl7 - Friday, December 15, 2006 - linkNot according to Anandtech:
Shows power consumption to be as near as identical between the two processors.
Not sure if you are comparing Turion or Turion X2 to Merome but aside from mismatched comparisons (such as comparing the power consumption of a Turion system with onboard graphics and Merom with dedicated graphics) I've not seen like for like tests showing Turions to be more power efficient:
"Does that make the Core 2 Duo worse at power saving than Turion X2? Without equivalent setups (i.e. both using IGP or both using discrete GPUs), we can't say for certain. We can say that an ASUS W5F with a T2300 chip (1.67GHz 2MB cache) that we had at one point bottomed out at 19W in idle mode, so Core Duo and Turion X2 appear close in low power states, with Turion X2 perhaps holding a slight 1-2W advantage. Our testing of Core Duo vs. Core 2 Duo showed the CPUs to be nearly equal in power draw, so it appears AMD is equal or slightly better than Intel at minimum power draw. At maximum power draw by the CPU, Turion X2 is definitely using more power than Core 2 Duo, as even with higher performance/power components the ASUS A8JS still uses less power than the MSI TL-60 at 100% CPU load."
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rqle - Friday, December 15, 2006 - linkDarn, was so hoping AMD 65nm would give an easy 3.3ghz+ like the intel chips =(. This chip may not reflect overall OC, but it damn hovering around my AMD range of 2.6-2.8 again. A 2.66-2.7 OC intel is > then 2.9ghz AMD. Ill just waited again. Reply
dev0lution - Friday, December 15, 2006 - linkNow that both companies claim to offer "platforms" it'd be interesting to see an Intel 965 board vs. an ATI board being used in these benches. Not sure that the NVIDIA models were the best choice here, especially since their not apples to apples on generation and power consumption. Reply
poohbear - Thursday, December 14, 2006 - linkim quite shocked to see the gaming performance advantage @ 1600x1200!!!! is'nt the cpu removed as a performance bottle neck @ such a high resolution? its all about the gpu horsepower @ that resolution no? can't believe a cpu can show a 25fps diff @ 1600x1200?!?!? Reply
JumpingJack - Friday, December 15, 2006 - link
im quite shocked to see the gaming performance advantage @ 1600x1200!!!! is'nt the cpu removed as a performance bottle neck @ such a high resolution? its all about the gpu horsepower @ that resolution no? can't believe a cpu can show a 25fps diff @ 1600x1200?!?!?
Some more research here is in order. The G80 GPU, commonly known as the 8800 GTX or GTS on the market, has taken graphics performance to a new level. All of the reviews that used an AMD FX-60 or 62 CPU clearly showed throttling back to the CPU in many if not most cases, only at the highest possible resolutions/AA + FSAA did the scaling turn back on with an FX-60. The X6800 released the full potential of this card.
The difference in framerate you see bettweent he 5000+ and the E6600 is that the E6600 is has pushed the bottleneck further ahead -- simply because the E6600 is a better gaming CPU.
Tom's did a good article titled: The 8800 Needs the Fasted CPU.
In essense, even for a single card solution, an AMD CPU is not a good match for this card. Reply
Makaveli - Friday, December 15, 2006 - linkThe reason for the 25fps difference must mean the Geforce is more cpu bottlenecked on the AMD platform than the intel one.
U gotta remember the 8800GTX is an insanely fast card, and is still bottlenecked on Conroe systems. Reply
JarredWalton - Friday, December 15, 2006 - linkThis is why back at the Core 2 Duo launch we talked about CPU performance using games running at 1280x1024 0xAA. When a faster GPU comes out and shifts the bottleneck to the CPU (as has happened with the 8800 GTX), saying "Athlon X2 and Core 2 Duo are equal when it comes to gaming" is a complete fabrication. It's not unreasonable to think that there will be other games where that ~25% performance difference means you can enable high quality mode. Company of Heroes is another good example of a game that can chug on X2 chips at times, even with high-end GPUs. Reply
XMan - Thursday, December 14, 2006 - linkDo you think you might have gotten a higher overclock if you weren't running HTT at 1125MHz?!? Reply
Sunrise089 - Thursday, December 14, 2006 - linkThe chart on page one claims to have pricing info. There is none as far as I can see. Reply
JarredWalton - Friday, December 15, 2006 - linkFixed. :) Reply
RichUK - Thursday, December 14, 2006 - linkSame old sh!t. It's nice to see AMD finally kicking off their 65nm retail chips, but lets see this new core for God sakes.
They're lacking big time, this really is sad. **Thumbs-Down** Reply
Stereodude - Thursday, December 14, 2006 - linkHow's a chip that uses less power run hotter? On the last page the 65nm X2 5000+ hit 51C under load, lower than any other chip, but it uses more power than any chip except the 90nm X2 5000+. How's that work? Reply
Live - Thursday, December 14, 2006 - linkIt does not use more power then any other chip except the 90nm X2 5000+. Where did you get that from? Did you read the article? Reply
Stereodude - Thursday, December 14, 2006 - linkYes, I read the article. Excluding the C2D it uses the 2nd most amount of power, basically tied with the 65W 4600+. Reply
smitty3268 - Thursday, December 14, 2006 - linkNot all the power that goes into a chip is released as heat. The heat is basically wasted power that "leaks." So if a chip can get more useful work out of the same amount of power then the amount of heat released would decrease even while power consumption remained steady.
I'm not an expert, but I believe a lot of the special new process techniques we always here about (like strained silicon) basically just reduce the amount of wasted energy. Am I right here? Reply
Stereodude - Thursday, December 14, 2006 - linkSorry, but that's incorrect. All the power is turned into heat. The power can't be going anywhere else. Power in = Power out.
It's not like a LED where you get some energy out as light, or a motor where you get mechanical energy out of it in addition to heat. Reply
finalfan - Thursday, December 14, 2006 - linkIf all the power can be turned into heat then it will be the most efficient heater the human being ever built. And even greater, you get all the computation done for free. Could you believe that?
Stereodude - Thursday, December 14, 2006 - linkWhere else is the energy going if it isn't getting turned into heat? You apparently don't have any idea how the transistors in a processor work. Reply
splines - Thursday, December 14, 2006 - linkYou apparently don't have any idea about basic thermodynamics.
If the processor released all of its energy in heat, it'd be the world's most efficient space heater.
You have forgotten a few little points, like that work is done by a processor (wouldn't be much point otherwise). Transistors are switched, mostly, however the IC itself can expand and contract, as well as the packaging material. The heat generated by a CPU is because of the resistance inherent to the circuits. All of the above is considered energy expended (or, more properly, changed in state).
In other words, don't go around insulting people's intelligence when you don't know yourself what you're on about. Reply
Stereodude - Thursday, December 14, 2006 - linkI'm betting only one of us has an Electrical Engineering degree, and guess what... You're not the one with it.
The work being done by the CPU is what makes the heat. The transistors themselves create heat because they consume power, and a lot of it, to switch from one state to another at high speeds.
I will say it again since you still don't get it, though it probably won't help. Energy is conserved. Electrical energy goes in, and heat comes out. The thermal expansion and contraction of the part isn't work. It's a side effect of the heat being product when the transistors consume electrical power by switching and make heat. Reply
slayerized - Friday, December 15, 2006 - linkThermodynamics 101- First law of thermodynamics: "Energy can neither be created nor destroyed, it can only be converted from one form to another" (Power --> Heat) Reply
smitty3268 - Friday, December 15, 2006 - linkI think everyone here knows that, the issue is that current -> heat is not the only type of transformation that can occur. If it was then anything electric wouldn't be able to do anything at all except create heat, and obviously that isn't true. Reply
mino - Friday, December 15, 2006 - linkRead some paper on entropy.
The problem in this discussion is most participants do not know what heat, electricity, work(i.e. in joule), work(i.e. inlogical one) means.
Except for electromagnetic waves that leak badly shielded PC and the energy required to transfer the information out of the PC (by monitor and network cables) the energy(in form of electricity) consumed by the CP is completely changed to heat.
In other words "focused" form of energy witch low entropy(electricity) is distributed to the environment and becomes an "unfocused" form of enegry, mostly heat. Also even the heat dispersed to the room is still partly focused in sense it still not spread to the whole universe.
Hope this clears it for some. Reply
mino - Friday, December 15, 2006 - linkCP == PC Reply
smitty3268 - Thursday, December 14, 2006 - linkI don't particularly know how transistors work (only the basics) but if a space heater isn't 100% efficient then why would a cpu be?
Again, I could be wrong, but do you have any 3rd party info to support your claim? Reply
Missing Ghost - Thursday, December 14, 2006 - linkI think space heaters are 100% efficient, except maybe if there is a fan, then it could be 99.999%. Reply
smitty3268 - Thursday, December 14, 2006 - linkIf you can see something glowing, then at least part of the energy is producing visible light and not heat. Although now that you mention it, I think I heard that plain old light bulbs are fairly efficient heaters. Reply
smitty3268 - Thursday, December 14, 2006 - linkFrom http://www.intel.com/technology/silicon/si11031.ht...">http://www.intel.com/technology/silicon/si11031.ht...
The entire semiconductor industry is struggling with the heat of chips increasing exponentially as the number of transistors increase exponentially. Moving to new high-k materials that control leakage is one step of many towards making transistors run cooler. Because high-k gate dielectrics can be several times thicker, they reduce gate leakage by over 100 times, and therefore devices run cooler.
This implies what I was saying, but perhaps the devices only run cooler because they require less power to begin with? Reply
JarredWalton - Thursday, December 14, 2006 - linkHeat density: less power in a smaller area can potentially run hotter (witness Prescott vs. Northwood P4). Except we're seeing the reverse here, so probably it's just a difference in chip/package design. There's no guarantee that the various chips are measured identically, meaning AMD could have changed temperature reporting with 65nm, and certainly the AMD vs. Intel numbers are not a direct comparison. I would put more weight on power numbers, personally. Reply
eRacer - Wednesday, December 20, 2006 - linkIn future Brisbane reviews could you check the Brisbane idle temperature to see if it appears to be somewhat accurate? Other previews and leaks show Brisbane idle temperatures in the 10C-15C range which is well below room temperature. Idle and load temps of Brisbane may actually be 15C higher than what is reported. Reply
Stereodude - Thursday, December 14, 2006 - linkI was excluding the C2D from my comments. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
If anything the die shrink should make the Brisbane run slightly hotter since the die is a little smaller. I can't come up with any good reason why one 65W processor runs cooler than another 65W processor given the same cooler and same size heat spreader. Maybe the heatspreaders aren't flat between all the AMD CPUs. The 35W AM2 processor definitely should have run cooler. Reply
eRacer - Thursday, December 14, 2006 - link"As you can expect, AMD is pricing the 65nm chips in line with its 90nm offerings to encourage the transition. Die size and TDP have both gone down to 147 mm^2 and 65W across the line.
Is 147 mm^2 accurate? That happens to be the same die size of 90-nm A64 X2 Manchester, and isn't much of a shrink from the current 183mm^2 512KBx2 Windsor cores. Some rumors had put it at ~125 mm^2. Reply
Tilmitt - Thursday, December 14, 2006 - linkThis "Performance per Watt" marketing bullshit has gone too far. Strange how Anandtech only started including it when Intel started marketing it insanely.
To hell with performance per watt, give me performance. Reply
Mantruch - Tuesday, December 19, 2006 - linkIndeed.. who give a sh*t about watt/performance, this is a desktop cpu not mobile...
who sold this article to amd ? lol Reply
Locutus465 - Saturday, December 16, 2006 - link
Strange how Anandtech only started including it when Intel started marketing it insanely.
No... This was one of the major topics of discussion in the A64 v. P4 days as well, only AMD was enjoying Intel's current position. So Intel has a better chip right now, whats the big deal? This is why we like compitition. Reply
Genx87 - Friday, December 15, 2006 - linkWe didnt use to care about performance\watt in the consumer sector and left that to the professional arena. But ever since the power draw and heat of the consumer boxes started to rival professional level boxes it is good to see what you are getting.
Gone are the days of a 250 watt PSU and a system that is passively cooled.
Frumious1 - Thursday, December 14, 2006 - linkSeems to me performance per watt is AMD's only leg to stand on right now (unless you just want to go with pure power draw). If you just look at performance AMD is even farther behind and that won't change until we see K8L, and maybe even that won't be enough. It's good to see lower temps and power requirements from AMD as it shows they're at least doing something other than sitting around bemoaning their fate. Intel already wins the marketing war, and now they're killing AMD on performance as well.
Would have liked to see more CPUs for the comparison, though - like how about a 65nm 4600+ and 3800+ to see how they match up with the EE/EE SFF chips? Getting an E6300/6400 in as well would ahve been nice. Last, the use of an 8800 GTX is going to skew the "performance per watt" numbers, but it should still be consistent in this one set of benchmarks. As long as we don't get comparisons using other GPUs thrown in, it's probably the best you can do. Still would be nice to know how much power the CPU is really drawing on all these tests - probably less than 50W would be my bet. Reply
yyrkoon - Thursday, December 14, 2006 - linkIntel won WHAT marketing war ? More like they won a battle, after losing many to their competitor, for around two years. Also, unless something has changed recently that I'm unaware of, AMD also leads in memory bandwidth, not that THAT much memory bandwidth translates into real world performance.
I don't know which platform you like, and to be honest, I don't really care. However it would behoove us all, to realize that AMD, and Intel are both good companies, and if one were to go missing, we ALL would be in a much worse "market". Reply
Frumious1 - Friday, December 15, 2006 - linkRight now, I prefer Intel. Oddly enough, though, I'm still running AMD Opteron 165 overclocked to 2.6 GHz, because it's fast enough. Better? Nope, but good enough. So I preferred AMD when they were ahead.
My point about marketing is that Intel has always had the lead there - ALWAYS! How many AMD commercials do you see? A few, maybe. Intel floods the airwaves with adverts. Being better at marketing doesn't make your products superior, but if you own the mindshare of the common man it can make it damn hard for others to compete. Hell, with the junk that was Prescott (and the later NetBurst stuff), the fact that most corporations were still buying Intel says something, doesn't it? Yes, AMD made a lot of gains, but with Intel back in the lead those gains are eroding fast.
I for one hope K8L kicks some serious ass. HOPE. I remain unconvinced that AMD can close the gap and then some in the next 6 months. We shall see. Let's just hope it's not more of this Quad FX craziness. If I wanted two dual core AMD CPUs, I think I probably would have bought an Opteron 2xx setup a while back. Unbuffered RAM might improve performance a bit (5% or so?) but not enough to matter. As for octal core systems (dual quad core), don't make me laugh. That's great for the server market, and maybe even high end workstations, but on the desktop we're years away from being able to utilize/need that much CPU power. Reply
Frumious1 - Friday, December 15, 2006 - linkWell, better a double post than to lose all that I typed. It looked like the post didn't go through, I luckily had it copied first, and after three refreshes I posted again. Naturally at that point both posts show up. Reply
yyrkoon - Saturday, December 16, 2006 - linkI don't know what current Intel CPUs memory bandwidth is, but at the time I checked my AM2 3800+ (single core) the closest thing was a core 2 duo at around 8-10GB/s bandwidth. After dropping the multiplier on my AM2 CPU, and increasing the "FSB" to 250MHZ, memory bandwidth on my 3800+ AM2 was over 11GB/s. I didn't test before hand, well maybe I did, but I don't recall what it was, so . . . I may have posted somewhere on the anandtech forums. Anyhow, I'm pretty sure its much more than 5% differences between the two, but like I said, it does not translate into real world performance, so it's pretty much moot. Reply
Frumious1 - Friday, December 15, 2006 - linkRight now, I prefer Intel. Oddly enough, though, I'm still running AMD Opteron 165 overclocked to 2.6 GHz, because it's fast enough. Better? Nope, but good enough. So I preferred AMD when they were ahead.
My point about marketing is that Intel has always had the lead there - ALWAYS! How many AMD commercials do you see? A few, maybe. Intel floods the airwaves with adverts. Being better at marketing doesn't make your products superior, but if you own the mindshare of the common man it can make it damn hard for others to compete. Hell, with the junk that was Prescott (and the later NetBurst stuff), the fact that most corporations were still buying Intel says something, doesn't it? Yes, AMD made a lot of gains, but with Intel back in the lead those gains are eroding fast.
I for one hope K8L kicks some serious ass. HOPE. I remain unconvinced that AMD can close the gap and then some in the next 6 months. We shall see. Let's just hope it's not more of this Quad FX craziness. If I wanted two dual core AMD CPUs, I think I probably would have bought an Opteron 2xx setup a while back. Unbuffered RAM might improve performance a bit (5% or so?) but not enough to matter. As for octal core systems (dual quad core), don't make me laugh. That's great for the server market, and maybe even high end workstations, but on the desktop we're years away from being able to utilize/need that much CPU power. Reply
smitty3268 - Thursday, December 14, 2006 - linkYes, I would have appreciated a lower end Core 2 Duo that is more comparable performance-wise as well as the 6600 which matches it's price.
Basically, it looks like the new process is only a bit better than the old energy efficient chips, but is clocked higher and will be sold cheaper. The important thing for AMD is probably to get their 65nm process ramped up and have all the bugs ironed out for a good K8L launch. Reply
Accord99 - Thursday, December 14, 2006 - linkWhat's the problem? The Core 2 Duo gives you both. Reply
lollichop - Sunday, February 26, 2017 - linkWow! Ancient chip fanboys. Reply