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Gigabyte Announces 6-series Motherboard Replacement Programby Anand Lal Shimpi on 2/1/2011 11:12 PM EST
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AmdInside - Tuesday, February 01, 2011 - linkFirst Reply
Madmanden - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkU my herro Reply
mariush - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkFirst retard.... Reply
MeanBruce - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkTell him what he's won Bob!
A $20 gift card from Newegg sent to the email of your choice. Come on Anand get Newegg to sponsor the first post contest! ;) Reply
B3an - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkHe's won something even better.
The Annoying-Immature-Little-Prick-Award. Congratulations "AmdInside". Reply
MeanBruce - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkThat's not very nice. Reply
spathotan - Tuesday, February 01, 2011 - linkDidnt even have my GA-P67A-UD3P installed for 3 days before all this went down. I might just deal with it and drop a DVD drive so I can stick with the 2 6gb ports. Im not in the mood to do another reformat in April, not to mention be 2 weeks without board...and a PC. Reply
Samus - Tuesday, February 01, 2011 - linkYou don't need to reformat. And you don't need to lose a DVD drive, just got a $20 pcie SATA controller. That should have been the solution all along. Reply
Phidian - Tuesday, February 01, 2011 - linkSame :) so much easier
(but for my raid mirror storage drives)... just stuck the SSD and Optical on the Sata3 (6Gbps) pots.
-Phid Reply
Seikent - Tuesday, February 01, 2011 - linkYou can even use the affected sata ports, the problem should appear only after 3 years of use and a bit of bad luck. Just remember to do the change. Reply
akula2 - Friday, February 04, 2011 - linkWhat would happen after 3 years? You inferred people should be throwing out their boards once in every 3 years so it should be OK to ignore about this bug? I don't think that's a good thinking. Reply
akula2 - Friday, February 04, 2011 - linkWhat you offered is a workaround solution. Anyway, it should OK with most of the folks out there.
To me, still that chipset has the bug to deal with in the long run. Say, what happens when I add couple of things like this:
SSD 6Gb/s - 128 GB - 1
HDD 6Gb/s - 2 TB - 1
HDD 3Gb/s - - 2 TB - 2
Plus there will be, DVD Combo, PSU etc. I wish to add a few more. Then what?
Plus, we'll wasting one pcie slot filling up that controller card. Isn't it? It's always better to get the board replaced to get peace of mind (bugs always plants doubts in the minds of the many people so people tend to loose their confidence or try to be ovr cautious with everything. After all, we are talking about a running MOBO, isn't it?). Reply
7Enigma - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkI'm with you on that. I HATE changing out components in a build. PSU is probably the most common annoying replacement, but mobo is IMO the worst. Had a Gigabyte mobo that crapped out after 3 months of use and it stunk having to ruin all of my cable management, remove all the components, etc. to replace. I'd do as you do (unless they sweeten the deal with the replacement by offering something worth the trouble). Reply
MeanBruce - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkKnow how ya feel dude, just getting a new refurb BoneTrail 2 mobo back from Intel RMAed to NAMO. You can probably complete the acronym North American Motherboard Operations in Kentucky. Gonna take me hours to get all the cabling back to normal. At least they honored the three year warranty, two and a half years into it. With this new Intel chipset mess they are gonna be damn busy! ;) Reply
Etern205 - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - link2 weeks?
You should try 2 months as that how long I've waited for my CPU since it wasn't out on the market yet, and my old system died so I didn't want to spend my money on old stuffs.
The 2 months was the most horrible experience ever! After the lesson, I went and bough myself a notebook so if my desktop is waiting for parts, at leas I still have a machine to use. :) Reply
ssj4Gogeta - Thursday, February 03, 2011 - linkWell you won't need to do a reformat since it's the same mobo model you'll be getting back (probably). Even if the mobo isn't the same, a repair install works fine some times. Reply
bckai - Tuesday, February 01, 2011 - linkAt least someone has decided what they're going to do about this whole debacle. I'm wondering how much of a mess it's going to be though with everyone having to go through the retailers to get this sorted out. For example, I bought mine (albeit an ASUS board) online through a merchant on eBay who is a subsidiary of another larger retailer. It hurts my head just having to think about what sort of hoops I'll have to jump through if ASUS decides to go down this path. Here's hoping they'll just deal with it on their own instead of using the middle man. Reply
peterf - Tuesday, February 01, 2011 - link"Sending all returns/exchanges through the distributor/retailer channels is an interesting approach. I would rather Gigabyte handle the whole thing (e.g. send us an eligible board, we'll send you a new one) but I can understand if getting the distributors/retailers to help makes things easier."
I much prefer the approach they have taken to this one. If it was the other way around (you enter your serial number in, they send you a new board with a prepaid shipping label back for your old board) then that would be the best option. Having to mail your board in and wait for weeks would suck, though. Reply
ggathagan - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkAgreed.
Manufacturer's distribution channels aren't set up to handle traffic from thousands of individual users, they're set up to bulk ship to distributors who are, likewise, set up to handle smaller bulk shipments to retailers.
The retailers are the folks whose distribution setup is geared toward individual purchasers.
If the manufacturers attempted to handle the RMA's directly, you wouldn't get your replacement board for about a year. Reply
wolfman3k5 - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkHey GIGABYTE, are you going to ship a proper uEFI BIOS this time around? Reply
akula2 - Friday, February 04, 2011 - linkMaybe, even I hope the same but feature wise, in these P67 series, Asus has slight advantage over Gigabyte. But that doesn't mean Gigabyte has lost it, those boards rock even with minor drawbacks. Reply
GeorgeH - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkHey Intel - you know that awesome decision you made to make Sandy Bridge incompatible with 1156? How's that working out for you? Reply
wolfman3k5 - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkNah, it's just KARMA circling back around and slapping Intel. You took the words right out of my mouth: Hey Intel - how's that working out for you? Reply
MeanBruce - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkYou know Wolf my gf has some real karma going on. I have traced the source point back to two massive orbs attached to her narrow chest wall, (scratching head), for the life of me, I can't figure it out! Reply
aegisofrime - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkThis could bode very well from AMD. Personally, because of this issue I will not be getting a SB platform just yet. I will be waiting until April. If AMD could get Bulldozer out in April and deliver competitive performance they could really ruin Intel's party.
A local forum I frequent has people who were contemplating getting Sandy Bridge holding their cards now. Come on AMD, the ball's in your court now! Reply
piroroadkill - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkYou're probably hoping too much, but god DAMN, AMD needs a competitive product out now. Reply
blowfish - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkI'd love to see Bulldozer be successful - but the sad fact is that Intel have caught them by surprise with Quick Sync, which will be a killer feature with a bit more software support, and something for which AMD will have no answer for at least a year.I'm hoping AMD will be sustained by a revitalised Netbook market dominated by Brazos, and that they can get their own hardware encoding s**t together! Reply
Zoomer - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkOn the contrary, I am looking to buy the highest end board possible. Rent the board for a few months on Intel's dime. Reply
aegisofrime - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkThat's because... You are presumably American. In other countries (like mine) we only get an exchange for a new board.
Quick Sync isn't a magic solution for all video transcoding needs. It's fast, but for real encoding a good encoder like x264 still rules the roost.
The biggest screw up regarding Quick Sync is the need to have a H67 board for it, IMHO. To me Z68 is what Sandy Bridge should be from day 1. Reply
vol7ron - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkYeah and Z68 is going to have a heavy price tag :( Reply
akula2 - Friday, February 04, 2011 - linkand Z68 won't be for everyon'e cup of Tea too :) Reply
LeftSide - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkHopefully they won't impose a time limit on the full refund. Reply
mike2100 - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkAgreed. It might sound selfish to wait until the z68 is ready and cash in on the refund option, but I think it's fair for the trouble we'll have to go through for this oversight. Reply
blowfish - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkreading between the lines, I think that is exactly what Gigabyte are suggesting - you get your refund when the new boards are available, rather than exchange your board, and then you can choose something better, hopefully for less money, hopefully Z68 That compensates you somewhat for the trouble you have to go to replacing the mobo yourself. I don't think it should put you in any kind of moral dilemma! In years to come, everone will be telling their grand-kids about the great Intel recall.... Reply
Hogan773 - Thursday, February 03, 2011 - linkyes....in the annals of time, this Intel thing will be one of the most important historical events for humanity.......
????? get real my man Reply
Will Robinson - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkIt's a wonder we don't see more of these bugs given the high performance and complexity of modern chipsets and new CPU architecture.
Intel seem to have acted quickly and this looks like a solid recall with them stepping up to bat to cover it.
That's a decent response and deserves some respect. Reply
Ben90 - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkI agree completely. Its very impressive how these billion transistor chips built on such a fragile process can survive and thrive. Even when run out of spec via overclocking or shoddy power regulation, most microprocessors outlive their warranty period by quite a bit when even 1 failed transistor could ruin the entire system. Reply
akula2 - Friday, February 04, 2011 - linkLook my friend, bugs are everywhere in this world. Look at inside your body or bugs that trigger your cells to go haywire. So, silicon bugs are nothing much to crib about and that too they are human made! You are asking too much with Intel. What about a person who I know has spend hundred of thousands of dollars on a Ferrari 458 Italia, only to watch his super car catching some quick fire? Even that mighty Ferrari fell for a buggy blue in the wheel assembly? Imagine, glue taking out an entire Ferrari? Intel's problems are of Peanut size :) Reply
jwmcpeak - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkSince the retailer/distributor will handle the return/exchange, will it be up to them to determine how the exchange takes place? Sending in a motherboard and waiting for the replacement is ridiculous and unacceptable. It's the motherboard, not an optical drive or keyboard. Reply
geofelt - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - link1) The replacement should be done direct by the motherboard manufacturer, the same as if the motherboard was defective(which it is) and still under warranty. The original vendor may be out of business, or otherwise not able to handle an exchange.
2) The replacement should have a credit card advance shipment option. The motherboard manufacturer would take your credit card info for the retail price of the motherboard, and ship out a replacement, including a prepaid shipping label. The charge would be cancelled when the returned motherboard is recieved. That way the end user is without a computer only for as long as it takes to swap cards.
3) Intel needs to do something for the end users also. Perhaps a discount coupon for an Intel product like a SSD. Reply
mike2100 - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - link"3) Intel needs to do something for the end users also. Perhaps a discount coupon for an Intel product like a SSD."
I like the way you think! Reply
xxtypersxx - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkI agree Intel is doing a commendable job biting the bullet on this while it was still relatively manageable, I think that if they suffer any brand hit at all from this it will be very negligible.
Compare this to Nvidia and the 680/780 chipsets that flat out died ALL THE TIME. Or perhaps their laptop chipsets and GPU's that died due to heat cycling. Speaking of heat cycle death, MS never did stop production or recall on the 360 and that is a much bigger issue.
The above poster makes an interesting point though, if AMD is able to get Bulldozer launched in H1 like planned, they will be timed very close to the relaunch of SB. Could be interesting. Reply
misaki - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkActually, I hope Asus does this too... since I bought my board from Newegg, I'll get a replacement within days instead of waiting a few weeks that going direct would undoubtably take. Reply
cactusdog - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkAsus have already announced they are doing the same thing.
Anand, Of course the manufacturer will accept a board that isnt working. They have only just been released and most manfacturers offer a 2-3 years warranty whatever the cause of the fault. Whats the use of a warranty program if they dont accept boards that dont work? Reply
akula2 - Friday, February 04, 2011 - linkhttp://gigabytedaily.blogspot.com/2011/02/intel-6-... Reply
Calin - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkThat you must be very very unlucky to have your board crapped out in the first three months of operation.
Keep important drives on the first two ports, and the optical drives on SATA ports, and you should be good to go for more than a couple of months, enough to last you until you can replace the board with something else Reply
piroroadkill - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkMaybe you don't use a lot of drives..
But I do.
I have 7 drives connected to my onboard headers, and 2 more on a PCIe controller. I don't have a new Cougar Point based board though, but I'm just saying, there is enough reason for people to be worried about the boards. Reply
Taft12 - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkThat's enough reason for 0.001% of users to be worried about. Those of us without 9 drives aren't quite as affected. Reply
akula2 - Friday, February 04, 2011 - linkRubbish, numbers would be between 10-15% of folks with multi-sata2 disks/devices like me. Reply
FearTec - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkWhat about GA-PH67A-UD3 boards? Will they be replaced? Reply
ggathagan - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkYes Reply
Kivan2400 - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkDoes the same goes for Asus motherboards ?
Because sadly I just finished my build with the P8P67 deluxe Reply
ggathagan - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkHere,
Read these two articles and tell me what you think:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4143/the-source-of-i... Reply
akula2 - Friday, February 04, 2011 - linkWhom should I tell my pain in the Heart?
I've a couple of high end builds, such as P8P67 WS Revolution, Gigabyte P67A-D7 etc. Reply
ypsylon - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkAnd where are all doom-mongers saying that X58 is dead. X58/S1366 owners laughing all the way to the bank right now. I, particularly, can't get my head around why someone need to "upgrade" from LGA1156 to 1155 - of course beside some slightly higher random numbers appearing when benchmarks are over. Waste of time and money. If you bought X58 in 2008 you get nice 4 year run before X68 premiere, moving from LGA1156 to 1155 in space of 12-24 months is completely bonkers - unless of course you sleep on ca$h and couldn't care less about money, if so go right ahead, all such "improvements" are targeted at such as you. Reply
mapesdhs - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - link
"I, particularly, can't get my head around why someone need to "upgrade" from LGA1156 to 1155 ..."
I entirely agree. Anyone with a P55 that's running 4GHz+ should be more than
happy with their system's peformance for a good long time.
Plus, is it just me or does SB make overclocking kinda boring? I wonder whether
this new MO will go down that well with the overclocking crowd. Afterall, where's
the technical challenge? And as someone else mentioned recently, though SB
CPUs are supposedly unlocked, they still have a max multiplier, so extreme oc'ing
is out of the question.
So yes, this is an enormous opportunity for AMD, assuming of course they don't
adopt a similar approach to how their future chips operate.
It's ironic, the ever increasing level of integration is slowly making PCs so black-
box that the hobbyist crowd who like to mess around with the hardware are being
gradually squeezed out with respect to what they can really do. Pity.
Ian. Reply
akula2 - Friday, February 04, 2011 - link@I, particularly, can't get my head around why someone need to "upgrade" from LGA1156 to 1155 ..."
Yep, not point. But people who wanna build/buy then what? I don't see P55s perform that bad even after post Sandy Bridge days. I would suggest, if one has smart mind, apply it by comparing with the falling prices under P55 instead of going with P67s. But, it need not to be true for all. Just an idea to prove that P55 is not exactly a dead end as some reviewers tried very hard to sell the Sandy Bridge. Today, I could build a 870 based P55 and live it with it for the next 7-10 years for sure!!! Reply
cyberguyz - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkUm Gee, let's see. I'm running my I7-2600 at 4.4ghz with the stock Intel cooler using the brain-dead little OC program Asus bundles with the board on 'Fast' rather than 'Extreme' setting.
So which would I rather have? An LGA1366 chip running at 4.4ghz needing ridiculous bios timing and 3x120 rad water cooling, or a dumb lil 1155 chip running that same speed with a STOCK INTEL COOLER whose CPU + mobo that cost about the same as the motherboard for 1366 system alone. Or maybe I'll do a little bios tweaking and get the thing running at 5.2Ghz ON AIR. Duh!
So I throw all my hard drives on the 6GB sata ports, throw the dvd b urner on a 3GB sata port and if the 3GB ports quit a years down the road, no sweat. Go out and spend a couple hundred on a new Z68 board.
So, you tell me, who is laughing all the way to the bank? Reply
MeanBruce - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkDude, X58 is still breathing well! Intel will be offering a new LGA-1366 6-core 3.46GHz to 3.6GHz with turbo CPU brand new this month, the i7 990X Extreme! You are one of the lucky ones that bought into a platform early and carried it thru it's development, has to be the overall most cost effective methodology! I plan to do the same with Sandy-E adding an Ivy Bridge CPU two years into the run and maybe a Haskins chip if the socket remains the same. ;) Reply
akula2 - Friday, February 04, 2011 - linkX58 is more or less obsolete when we compare with Price/Performance or Power factors. See, more people are becoming Energy conscious and are trying to be more responsible. In the US I've seen most of the entry level gamers wants to start with a X58 board, such ignorance is leading to more power consumption and you know what else.
Again, Z68, is not at all meant for everyone. Maybe this segment would be between 10-15% in the first year so I don't see any reason to waste $ on it this year. LGA1155 is a smart choice, when we take the above mentioned factors. Note that they also come upto 4-way config (SLI or CFX) so it should be more than OK for 99% folks out there. Reply
marraco - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkOoooohhh, Anand... Why you lost the opportunity to ask how will the buyer tell the difference between a fixed motherboard and a faulty one on the shelves? Reply
ggathagan - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkThey're not "fixing" motherboards. They're recalling the boards and replacing them.
All of the boards currently on the shelves are being pulled.
Worst-case scenario, you check the revision level of the board.
If it's a rev 1.0 board, you report the seller for selling you a board for which both the manufacturer and the chip-maker have issued a mandated recall. Reply
dijuremo - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkHas Intel mentioned anything about OS activation? If you are forced to change the motherboard, then you are also going to have a hard time explaining to Microsoft why they should reactivate your OEM copy of windows in a new motherboard after it had already been activated in the buggy hardware.
Even if it just means a call to Microsoft, they play with you phone ping pong and it is going to be about a 1 hour phone call just to get this problem sorted. Reply
mike2100 - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkHopefully Intel and Microsoft's relationship is strong enough to be prepared for this.
Normal phone activation has always been pretty smooth for me...well in the last couple of years at least.
Good point though, something for the end user to keep in mind. Reply
akula2 - Friday, February 04, 2011 - linkWhat if Microsoft asks OEM guys to pay $10 as activation fee :p Reply
mike2100 - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkIf it turns out to be an April/May thing it would be nice for the end user if they just kill P67 and replace it with Z68. Though I understand there might not be enough lead time for motherboard manufacturers to reconfigure their board designs from P67 to Z68. Reply
akula2 - Friday, February 04, 2011 - linkYour whole concept is a no brainer my friend.
Many people are hyping Z68, let's face it. It's won't be everyone's cup of Tea. Reply
Hoi_gr - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkReally generous move from Intel there. I've experienced similar situations with AMD, MSI and Samsung (widespread glitches) and they never really took the responsibility.
Personally I'm keeping mine. 2x6GB ports for my SSD and my 10000rpm drives and stick the rest on a PCI 4xSATAII card ($10?). It's not like HDDs and optical drives will (ever) go over 130 mb/s. Hell even my SSD is barely over 150mb/s. Reply
cyberguyz - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkKudos to Gigabyte for being so quick on the update with this.
I wonder if Asus will do the same for my P8P67 Pro.... Reply
cactusdog - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkAsus are too, i already posted about it in the comments
http://event.asus.com/2011/SandyBridge/notice/ Reply
timchen - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkI actually have a hard time believing this (5% in 3 years) is the estimated failing rate. What is the RROD rate after which Microsoft is trying to hide? 33% in a year?
If you think, among the 6 million boards they are getting back, if only 5% of them will fail in the foreseeable warranty period , that is 0.3 million boards only. Spending a billion on this is like spending $3000 to replace a single defective board.
No, I would assume the only reason to have this treatment is that it would be apparent for at least half of the boards. maybe 5% is the number that goes to a completely halt. Reply
tonyfreak215 - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkI think it has more to do with their reputation. Intel is a standard. They probably look at the loss of a billion dollars as nothing compared to the damage their reputation could/would cost them. Reply
Malih - Thursday, February 03, 2011 - linknot only intel reputation will go bad, but board makers reputation will suffer too, and this might break good relationship intel has with board makers.
and with the potential competition from amd's upcoming chips (Llano and Bulldozer), this year would be a really bad year for intel if they let this one slide. Reply
ggathagan - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkRemember that the percentage of *projected* failure is a statistical calculation.
That figure is not based on real-world incidents.
Spending a billion dollars on this is chump-change compared to what could happen if Intel didn't take these steps to nip the problem in the bud.
The alternative is what happened regarding NVIDIA video chipsets for laptops:
NVIDIA tried to deny the problem ever existed.
Now, not only do they have to foot the bill to replace the defective chips, they also have to pay all of those lawyers.
In addition, they have to try to re-gain the confidence of the end-users and the manufacturers who can choose an ATI/AMD chip as easily as an NVIDIA chip. Reply
AnnihilatorX - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkhttp://event.asus.com/2011/SandyBridge/notice/ Reply
cactusdog - Thursday, February 03, 2011 - linkhaha, i posted it twice already.....one of them is just above this post. Reply
fc1204 - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkthis reminds me of the time when a company designing the controller chip for the flash disk drives for gambling machines got a batch from its foundry fab that had a variation in the process timing and had to fork over a year's worth of profits to cover the loss of business at the casinos. the chip designer had the profit margin of $1 per chip while the casino is a casino. i always wondered what if it had been intel that was the flash disk controller designer would the same result have happened... apparently yes. but then again, i really wonder if the end users of these flawed chipset pc's really did get their fair shake like the casino.
i am sure the arguments for and against will pretty much sum up the fairness debate in the industry food chain. Reply
Belard - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - link"Sandy Bridge (aka 2nd generation Intel Core microprocessor, aka Intel Core i7/i5/i3 2xxx)."
Isn't Core2... a 2nd Generation? It was based of Core1 (AKA Centrino platform - which was better than the mainstream P4). Then we get this Nvidia inspored Core i3, i5, i7 which should donate class and socket type - but not.
Shouldn't Sandy Bridge be a 4th generation with its totally incompatible chipset to the previous i5/i7 etc? Reply
Beenthere - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkGlad to see Gigabyte do what is right for customers. Intel will just raise the prices of their CPUs to pay for the defective products they shipped. Reply
cactusdog - Thursday, February 03, 2011 - linkGigabyte/Asus shouldnt be praised for anything. They are obligated to fix broken boards for the warranty period of 3 years, for any reason. Anyway Intel are footing the bill for the recall and is paying a fee to the manufacturers. WHat other option could they possibly have? Reply
akula2 - Friday, February 04, 2011 - linkQuite true but I would suggest the folks not to wait so long. Get a replacement in this year itself. Who knows how things change next year?
Other options? As of now, still you couple buy non 67 series stuff like there are many mini-ATX mobos available from Q series I think (if my mem is right). Reply
kingbuzzo - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - linkI wonder why the board manf simply don't disable or remove the affected SATA ports on the unsold (and returned?) boards and resell them with a different sku at a serious discount? It seems better then just chucking them into the smasher. Intel shouldn't mind as it will allow them to move some of those sniney new, orphaned processors. Reply
khimera2000 - Friday, February 04, 2011 - linkThis was tried once... gateway got destroyed by it... i dont think intel wants a repeat of that. Reply
jfelano - Thursday, February 03, 2011 - linkWell no crap, isn't that what a 3yr warranty is for??? Reply
kleshodnic - Friday, February 04, 2011 - linkAll the Windows activation that is going to happen again. It will be interesting. Reply
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Lid Prop?
Posted 04 October 2012 - 07:32 AM
I'm glazing with Amaco Velvets. The items are simple 4" round discs. Green because I'm giving them away, they are a joke of sorts, and I don't have the resources in time and money to bisk first. Am I crazy? My research leads me to think not, which is of course exactly what I like to hear.
Posted 04 October 2012 - 07:38 AM
If the kiln is not vented, prop it until 800 to 1000 degrees F -- time to allow steam to evaporate (around 250 degrees F) and organics/nasty clay gases/carbon monoxide to burn out (800 to 1000 degrees). After that, drop the lid and let it go. Don't need to prop it open much . . . maybe a half inch or so. Be sure windows or garage door is open to allow air circulation.
Posted 04 October 2012 - 11:22 AM
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 11:31 AM
Keep open until there is no steam coming out. You can check that with a mirror or a glass jar by holding it where the prop is and seeing if any fog appears on the mirror.
Posted 04 October 2012 - 07:39 PM
Posted 04 October 2012 - 09:16 PM
if you don't have any spare fire bricks around, just use a kiln post or stilt.
Using kiln posts to prop is the number one reason I always have to replace bricks on the top row of my customers kilns. The hard posts slowly chip away at the soft brick. Be very gentle if you use this method.
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Posted 05 October 2012 - 04:33 PM
If I use a kiln post, I lay it on its side, not on ends. That way the sharp edges of the post do not dig into the soft kiln brick. A wedge of soft brick, however, is preferable although it can deposit some brick dust.
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what is the Highest temperature for wood kilns?
Posted 04 November 2012 - 10:00 AM
We fire pottery in wood kilns in Taiwan. one of the wood kilns we built reached to 1516 degree Celsius days ago. The temperature set up the highest record of wood kiln so far in Taiwan. We would like to know the highest record for wood kilns in the world.
Thanks a lot.
Posted 05 November 2012 - 01:41 AM
Hi every one,
We fire pottery in wood kilns in Taiwan. one of the wood kilns we built reached to 1516 degree Celsius days ago. The temperature set up the highest record of wood kiln so far in Taiwan. We would like to know the highest record for wood kilns in the world.
Thanks a lot.
what cone did you guys actually have down? Was that just a momentary measurement on a pyrometer? I think the highest I've seen was cone 15 down in the front of a train kiln--it was a mess.
Posted 05 November 2012 - 09:26 AM
Many people in the USA are using pyrometers with type K thermocouples... because they are cheap..... so I would take any readings you hear from folks here with a bit of "a grain of salt" (meaning not necessarily all that accurate) because above about 2350 F the readings become unreliable and over time there is significant drift in their accuracy. If they are not uising Type S thermocouples.... the number thay have is kind of meaningless in a "competition" kind of situation.
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Former Guest Professor, Wuxi Institute of Arts and Science, Yixing, China
Former President and Past President; Potters Council
Posted 06 November 2012 - 08:54 AM
This is Derek from Taiwan. The kiln that had reached 1516[font="標楷體"]℃[/font]was built by my master, Mr. Lin. As he doesn't speak English, I am here to respond for him.
Mr. Lin uses type R thermocouples as there's only type K and R in Taiwan.He haven't used any cone for over 10 years as he tried type R thermocouples,cone 16, PCTR, and Infrared thermometer once in his horizontal wood firing kiln ten years ago. The cone melted into liquid, and both TCPC and Infrared thermometer indicated over 1500[font="標楷體"]℃[/font]when the peak pyrometer read 1447[font="標楷體"]℃[/font] with type R thermocouples. He took the pyrometer reading and decided not to use cone ever since. In his way of firing in the last 10 years, he always reaches peak at between 1380-1420[font="標楷體"]℃[/font] and maintain the temperature over 1300[font="標楷體"]℃[/font]over 12 hours.
This very kiln that hit 1516[font="標楷體"]℃[/font]is a downdraft style wood firing kiln built by him in May, 2012. Within the 54-hour burning process, temperature was remained over 1400[font="標楷體"]℃[/font]over 12 hours, and we hit temperature over 1500[font="標楷體"]℃[/font] over five times in 8 hours.
He will open the kiln this Saturday and we will post the picture to share with everybody ASAP.
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 09:35 AM
..........we will post the picture to share with everybody ASAP.
Yes, Please!
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Adjunct Professor of Ceramics; New Hampshire Insitute of Art
Former Guest Professor, Wuxi Institute of Arts and Science, Yixing, China
Former President and Past President; Potters Council
Posted 13 November 2012 - 11:28 AM
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Posted 13 November 2012 - 11:57 AM
interesting that you use the same method of filling the front with wood and just letting the fire draw it in, here we call that the wood-pig. often we fill up the opening top to bottom flush with the front wall, then close the door for a few seconds, then open and gently push all the wood in and repeat...that will get it going!
Posted 13 November 2012 - 08:06 PM
some very beautiful work...what is the very coarse material that you see in the clay body?
That's the feldspar pellets (a type of mineral used as flux) aswell as some silicon contained in the primary clay that Mr. Lin used in his works. During the high temperature, some finer clay in primary clay would melt and transformed into glaze and the little stones would rather melted into white spots or remain there. That's where the white coarse came from.
Posted 13 November 2012 - 09:41 PM
Posted 14 November 2012 - 08:10 AM
thankyou derek, that was my guess, i have a bag of feldspar, but much coarser bits, i am going to grind it down and do some experimentation, thanks!
You are much welcomed.
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Posted 14 November 2012 - 08:22 PM
Recently I had the pleasure of attending a workshop with Kuroemon Kumano from Echizen, Japan. He regularly fires over 1,500 C, and if I recall he said he as hit 1535 C. He said "volcano temperatures". He fires by himself, with just the least help from only family members, for up to a week, as he thinks this reflects in his work and how the kiln fires. He thinks too many stokers loses connection with the whole firing. His nickname is "The Bear".
Thank you, John. We've been searching for his info for days.
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