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Intel Z77 Panther Point Chipset and Motherboard Preview – ASRock, ASUS, Gigabyte, MSI, ECS and Biostarby Ian Cutress on 4/8/2012 12:00 AM EST
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LancerVI - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkThey've yet to fail me. I think I may take the plunge with Ivy Bridge. My 920 X58 build has served me well, but I have the itch and I've avoided scratching it since late 2008. I don't think I can hold off any longer!!!
I feel the need for a new build.....NOW!!! Reply
TrackSmart - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkHa ha. We all get the rational or irrational urge to upgrade, whether we 'need' it or not. I would never stop someone from enjoying a new build. But that being said, the core i7 920 still holds its own pretty well. However, I suppose quicksync alone could be worth the upgrade if it is a feature you use heavily. That is one area where the performance gains are just phenomenal. Reply
ImSpartacus - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkShoot, I'm still rolling with an E8400. You're 920 has some legs.
Unless you have a killer app in Ivy Bridge, just sit on your Nahalem machine. Reply
LancerVI - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkBelieve me fellas. This is all irrational and I'm not ashamed to admit it! Reply
mgl888 - Wednesday, April 11, 2012 - linkLike :)
I'm torn between waiting for Haswell next or upgrading to Ivy Bridge now.
I'm on a E7200. Hahaha Reply
Artifex28 - Monday, April 16, 2012 - link...and I am burning this E6750. :D
I give up. Time to upgrade. :) Reply
prophet001 - Monday, April 09, 2012 - linkHmm...
Rockin the Core 2 on the 975x with an 8800 gtx here :D Reply
LancerVI - Monday, April 09, 2012 - linkThat's awesome! That's a great setup! The 8800GTX is on par, in my mind, with the 9700 Pro of yore. Reply
jbuiltman - Tuesday, April 10, 2012 - link920 X58 being slow???? I have an AMD FX-60 Dual core with 2GB of DDR ram....That is slow.... :) Reply
LancerVI - Thursday, April 12, 2012 - linkWho said anything about being slow?? All I'm saying is I haven't built a new machine since 2008 and I have the itch.
I realize it's a slight up grade or maybe even considered a side-grade, but it's an itch. I'll probably wait unitl Ivy Bridge-E and then see. Reply
t4murphy - Wednesday, April 18, 2012 - linkThat was a good cpu for me before I went to the 920. I still ran MS FS9 with good results along with my GTX 8800. Im not laughing:) Reply
rocknrob - Thursday, April 12, 2012 - linkI had a 920 X58 setup and decided to rebuild to an i7 2700K Z68. So far I've regretted the whole thing. I'm going to pick up one of these ASUS Z77 Deluxe boards but I don't think it's going to make a big difference.
The X58's/i7's were rock solid and performance monsters. I honestly see very little in terms of performance gains. Supposedly Ive Bridge processors are only going to give you about 15% to 20% increase in performance. If that's the case I think I'm going to stick with the 2700K until the next architecture change. Reply
457R4LDR34DKN07 - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkyou need to get a asus P8Z77-I DELUXE review. Reply
Mitxplease - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkHells yes. Reply
GreenEnergy - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkI only found one (tiny) review sofar:
http://vr-zone.com/articles/first-look-asus-p8z77-... Reply
457R4LDR34DKN07 - Wednesday, April 11, 2012 - linkI actually would like a comparison with ZOTAC Z77-ITX WiFi, as I'm leaning toward the zotac mobo due to the msata compatibility by removing the wifi/bt module. Reply
ViperV990 - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkDoes the Virtu MVP stuff work with an Eyefinity or NV Surround setup? Reply
martinw89 - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkI'm very curious about this too. On page two, Ian says "Within the hybrid system, the integrated GPU takes over two of the tasks for the GPU – snooping for required frames, and display output. This requires a system to run in i-Mode, where the display is connected to the integrated GPU."
But on page 3, Lucid's own slide makes it sound like these new features are monitor configuration independent: http://images.anandtech.com/doci/5728/Lucid1.png
This is a super interesting feature, and I hope it performs as well in reality as it sounds like on paper. And with a triple screen setup it would be bliss. Reply
jimnicoloff - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkI have a three monitor setup working just fine on a Z68 board with all monitors attached to a 6970. Virtu gives the option of which you want to be primary - the video card or the integrated graphics. So for me (with the video card primary) this works kind of backwards from a power saving point, but good for performance since it still allows for quick sync video transcoding, etc.
I know this doesn't adress the new Virtu MVP, but I can't see them taking a step backwards when something similar works on the old version. Especially since if you are running in eyefinity mode it is just seen by the system as one big wide monitor and not three separate screens that each get their own render. Hopefully they can pull it off because I like my three screen setup and would hate to lose features because of that. Reply
Zoomer - Tuesday, April 10, 2012 - linkI'm leading no:
"This requires a system to run in <b>i-Mode, where the display is connected to the integrated GPU.</b>" Reply
Iketh - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkI'm curious how Skyrim behaves with this Lucid technology, since physics and framerate are linked for whatever reason... (if you disable Skyrim's 60 fps cap and point the camera in a direction that gives you 150+ FPS for example, everything that is moveable nearby starts to rattle and fall off shelves...) Reply
Xale - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkGames with their own framerate limits should not be affected, as long as that limit is preserved. They already simply 'pause' internally if the machine is too fast. It might go absolutely crazy though if you do forcefully disable that mechanism. Reply
Concillian - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkAm I reading that right? Z75 offers most of what even enthusiasts would want?
So... why are there a crapton of Z77 boards in here and no Z75s?
Z75 supports 2 way crossfire / SLI, overclocking, 6Gbps SATA, native USB3.0... these are the features all but a tiny handful of users should be interested in.
By all rights Z75 should be the definitive chipset for the average enthusiast. Unless I'm missing something major, I hope there is significant attention paid to the Z75 chipset in reviews, because I'm failing to see why any but the most extreme users and those with money to burn would choose the Z77. Reply
MrSpadge - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkActually the ones with less money to burn might choose Z77 over Z75 to avoid investing in a huge SSD. The difference between chipset prices are usually small (what the motherboard manufacturer makes out of this is another question entirely). Reply
GreenEnergy - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkI find SSD caching to be some desperate dinosaur attempt. Mainly fueled by HD makers. Hybrid HDs are in the same basket. And yes, pick one, Z77 or Z75. The other one makes no sense.
Z77, Z75 and H77 chipsets are priced at US$48, US$40 and US$43.
If SRT basicly cost 8$. Then its time for it to go away as the stillborn tech it is. Reply
Zoomer - Tuesday, April 10, 2012 - linkThe difference is mainly software and development, and should go away. SSD caching is a great idea that, imo, should optimally be on the filesystem level, not on the block level.
*Looks at OS / filesys developers* (ZFS has some of it)
And oh, I expect lower end derivatives to come out eventually. Reply
Nje - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkI was really excited about this motherboard - was kind of disappointed to see it is not part of this roundup. But I guess there will be other tests. Thanks for the preview - I look forward to the benchmarks, particularly if asus' memory technology works well, and if memory bandwidth plays more of a role on Ivy Bridge. Reply
Articuno - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkThings like overclocking being restricted to specific chipsets is really disappointing. AM3+ boards are generally cheaper than equivalent Intel boards and they don't lock features like this. Reply
MrSpadge - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkI suppose it's being done to make power delivery cheaper on these boards. Personally I don't like it either. Reply
GreenEnergy - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkI think you should visit Newegg. LGA1155 and AM3+ boards are just as cheap. And CPU wise...its just a disaster for AMD. Reply
tyger11 - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkThe article says only 2 USB 3.0 ports, but the table indicates 4. Which is correct? Reply
repoman27 - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkI didn't see your comment and posed a similar question, but I'm fairly certain the answer is that there are actually 4 SuperSpeed ports provided by the 7-series chipsets. If you look at the block diagram shown for the Intel DZ77GA-70K motherboard it looks like they clearly used two 3-port USB 3.0 hub chips to arrive at a total of 8 USB 3 ports. Which also brings up the point that by leveraging the integrated USB 3.0 capabilities, motherboard manufacturers can add as many USB 3.0 ports as they like by using far less expensive hub chips instead of full blown controllers which also require a PCIe lane apiece.
And speaking of PCIe, I also wonder about where Ian says, "These are known as PCIe 3.0 PLX PXE chips..." I'm guessing that he's referring to PLX's PEX 874x Gen 3 PCIe switches, but it's stated a bit oddly. Reply
landerf - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkIs the wifi card on the deluxe going to be accessible? Be nice to get a killer 1102 in there. Reply
johnpombrio - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkYeah, the WiFi connection(s) on the ASUS Pro and Deluxe depends on a small WiFi module that plugs into a particular slot. These will be interchangeable AND I have seen ASUS showing off a WiFi/ 60GB SSD drive going into that slot. The Pro looks like just a receiver while the Deluxe has a WiFi router built in but I am REALLY guessing on this. I think I will go with the Deluxe just because it has a couple of features I like and the WiFi router combo will be just gravy. Reply
ASUSTechMKT - Monday, April 09, 2012 - linkOur MCombo Card ( which is on the Maximus V Gene and upcoming Formula should not be confused with the solution on our channel boards ( Standard -V, Pro or Deluxe ). The MCombo will allow you to install any MiniPCI-E or MSATA cards into their corresponding slots. Reply
ASUSTechMKT - Monday, April 09, 2012 - linkThe module which connects to the back I/O panel can be opened. While not promoted as being DIY there is nothing stopping you from installing your own mini PCI-E wireless controller. Reply
AlexIsAlex - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkI know I've asked for this before, but if you're going to do a big roundup of all these motherboards (which I'm looking forward to, as I plan to upgrade to Ivy Bridge on release), then please please test the boot / POST times to compare between the boards!
Just the time it takes from hitting the power switch to when it starts to actually run the bootloader off disk. Or until it displays the "please insert boot media" - the actual time the bios contributes to the total boot time. This is something that can really differentiate between different bios implementations and would be really useful to know when choosing.
I know having RAID and on board devices turned on make a big difference, so a baseline of everything non-essential turned off, or just those devices that are present on all boards would make sense. Reply
Nihility - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkSeriously, please test POST times!
Especially with the 6 Gbps Marvel controllers. Those damn controllers can take over 10 seconds to boot. That can easily be as much as the entire system. Reply
risa2000 - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkI would be quite interested in this one. Reply
eXces - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkwould be very pleased for an ITX review! Especially Asus P8Z77-I Deluxe
Thx Reply
GreenEnergy - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkIndeed. Personally im looking at the Intel DH77DF:
I dont see the need for anything bigger than mATX anymore. And for most mITX will do everything and abit more.
Personally I got a hint from another person. So I will be looking at the DH77DF, 2x8GB, GTX 680 and a i5 3570 and put it into a Silverstone SG08. Reply
hybrid2d4x4 - Monday, April 09, 2012 - linkAgreed. mATX or smaller for me plz! Reply
Paapaa125 - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkWhat is the actual significant difference between Asus P8Z77-V and P8Z77-V Pro? The only things I noticed were a few more phases in power supply (not significant). Reply
Byte - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkThe only diff I see is the 12 vs 8 power phases, extra USB3.0 header, and pictures look like it includes a usb and esata pcie 1x card. Reply
ASUSTechMKT - Monday, April 09, 2012 - linkPro offer higher quality back I/O bracing for the display connections,
High phase count 12+4
Additional front USB3 front header
ESATA via bracket
Additional fan header
Otherwise all other key features and hardware implementation is the same. Reply
repoman27 - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkGiven this statement on the first page, why does the chart indicate that the Panther Point chipsets provide 4 USB 3.0 ports? Reply
Knifeshade - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkFirst page, the paragraphs detailing the various features. You spelled Cougar Point in place of where I think you mean to say Panther Point.... Reply
DesktopMan - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkPCIe / PCI info in the last page table would be appreciated. Good overview. Quite curious to see if the memory stuff from Asus actually does anything. Reply
MrSpadge - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkAll 6-series chipsets are said to support PCIe 3 in this table. Would that work with Ivi and a proper GPU? Would be the first time I heard about this. And since PCIe 3 is supposed to be a new feature of the 7-series I suppose it's a typo. Reply
GreenEnergy - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkWell, alot of 6 series boards supports PCIe 3.0 due to the controller is on the CPU (Ivy Bridge). Essentially the only reason besides BIOS for PCIe 3.0 support on the 6 series, is the added switches for splitting the PCIe x16 into two x8. Thats also why the basic 6 series boards got a bigger chance of PCIe 3.0 support. Reply
MrSpadge - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - link"multiples of 15 Hz (15, 30, 35, 60, 75)" on page 2 Reply
Ryan Smith - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkGot it. Thanks. Reply
MrSpadge - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkHow does it work together with nVidias adaptive VSync, which debuted with the GTX680? And which, IMO, looked quite promising (lowering average power consumption a lot while gaming). Reply
Ryan Smith - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkYou wouldn't use MVP with Adaptive V-Sync. It only makes sense to use MVP by itself. Reply
Thaine - Thursday, August 16, 2012 - link"Predicting which frames (or rendering tasks) will never be shown and taking them out of the pipeline so the GPU can work on what is needed"
Along the lines of power consumption (and the ever-important side effect, heat), I would be very interested in seeing an article on MVP vs power consumption/heat on a power-hungry dGPU (ala GTX 480). Reply
primonatron - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkNot sure why most of these boards bother including the non-Intel USB 3.0 controllers any more.
Not many people have several USB 3.0 devices, so they could be saving costs. Or instead bringing back some of the things the article mention were taken away - like DVI on an ASUS board. Reply
GreenEnergy - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkI think board makers are getting desperate for ways to add value.
Less and less components to change and diversify with.
And its not getting better in the future. Haswell on LGA1150 basicly removes the entire VRM part on the motherboard. No more 32 phases or whatever.
A 50$ board performs identical to a 200$ board if you dont overclock. Actually the 50$ board might be more reliable (less components to fail) and more power efficient. Reply
Xale - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - link50 dollar boards are probably going to at least boot faster. The driver load and POST times with many 3rd party controllers, SATA especially, is atrocious. Seen some boards that take nearly 3x longer if the external controllers aren't disabled. Reply
Metaluna - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkMostly marketing I would guess. Intel only supports 4 3.0 ports, so if you add another chip you now have a checklist item to justify the premium price of your motherboard and possibly differentiate it from lower-end versions in the same product line.
Second, ASUS owns ASMedia, who makes a lot of the (mediocre, IMHO) USB 3 and Bluetooth controllers on their boards, so there's probably an incentive to use them in their own products to help prop up their production volumes.
Third, a lot of the third party controllers have special modes to support things like high-current charging for iPads or charging when the computer is turned off. Does anyone know if it's possible to add these features to Intel-based ports? If not, that would be an incentive to include a secondary chip. Reply
GreenEnergy - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkI saw the DH77DF im looking at myself got high current recharge. So that doesnt seem to be related to the controller at all. Reply
ASUSTechMKT - Monday, April 09, 2012 - linkASMedia does not produce or design a bluetooth controller. Additionally you are correct in that add in controllers do offer support for specialized modes of operation.functionality ( like charging ) Reply
ASUSTechMKT - Monday, April 09, 2012 - linkthe Intel controller under Windows 7 does not offer operating in UASP mode. With UASP the ASMedia add in controller can provide superior performance especially in queue depth. The USB3 Boost package is offered for both the Intel controller and the ASMedia ( Intel support change from BOT mode to SCSI ( Turbo mode ) and the ASMedia controller of support for BOT, SCSI ( Turbo ) as well UASP. Reply
MrMaestro - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkI didn't know a motherboard could be kitsch until I saw the ECS. Reply
XSCounter - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkP8Z77-M is the one I am waiting for for my Micro ATX build. It has no those xtra useless controllers which are all gonna be inferior to native Intel ones. So won't overpaying anything.
However, I am planning to overclock so I wish to know how it will perform in this regard! Hoping to see these ASUS Micro ATX boards on Anandtech asap :)
http://uk.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_1155/... Reply
ASUSTechMKT - Monday, April 09, 2012 - linkIt features a Digi+ VRM with robust VRM components overall in our testing the -M Pro provide comparable scaling to that of our standard board. You will see this information from ASUS soon. Solid board ! Reply
Lonyo - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkWhat happened to the boards with 10 SATA ports?
There were some from tradeshows earlier in the year, but none listed here (apart from the one with 8 + 2 eSATA).
Obviously this isn't a comprehensive lineup, but most of these seem to be fairly high end boards, yet no 10 SATA ports. Reply
ASUSTechMKT - Monday, April 09, 2012 - linkVery few users use this many ports it makes sense more to prioritize expansion lane support to add ons that will be used. Keep in mind even with a board with that number of ports you may not actually be able to have that usable bandwidth.
Should you really need that many you should consider an add on controller card. Things like SATA ports while important are not the only way to distinguish true attention to design in higher end boards. Reply
aranyagag - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - link"four SATA 6 Gbps also from the PCH," shouldn't that be sata 3 gbps
in the msi gd65 board Reply
ConVuzius - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkThe article says Virtu MVP has an i-Mode and a d-Mode, but which one is the better one? I kinda didnt get the difference, except where you connect your display. Reply
Ryan Smith - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkFor regular Virtu, d-Mode is the mode that was better from a performance perspective, since at times performance under i-Mode dipped due to having to send frames out to the iGPU.
For MVP, there's not going to be all that much of a difference. Regardless of the mode used Virtual V-Sync needs frames passed from the dGPU to the iGPU. The only difference is which display output is used, since a copy of the frame is on both GPUs (i.e. while you have to send frames to the iGPU, you don't have to send them back even in d-Mode). Reply
Zoomer - Tuesday, April 10, 2012 - linkSo when is AMD buying them out and integrating this in their gfx cards / platform? Reply
neo55 - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkWill Z77 support two or three monitors simultaneously? Reply
GreenEnergy - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkYou mean from the Ivy Bridge IGP?
Well depends. (Its the same btw for H77, Z75 and Z77 etc.). You need to have 2 displayport if I remember correctly. So if you got for example DVI, HDMI and DP. Then 2 screens only. If you got DVI, DP, DP then 3. Or if you daisychain the DP? Reply
dubyadubya - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkListing fan header count and layout is useless if you do not test the functionality. Do they report RPM? Can they control fan speed? Does the fan control work with Speedfan etc. or only the software from the motherboard manufacturer? Several years ago many people including myself brought this to Anandtech's attention. At the time Anandtech stated they would include this missing info which they did. Trouble is the info was only included in one or two reviews before it was dropped. When I purchase a new motherboard I want to know this info. I have spent many hours searching for this info for each new build as most manufactures do not give detailed info even in the motherboard manual.
IMO if a fan header exists it must have full functionality. If not the header should not be on the board. Motherboard manufactures need to pull their heads out of their asses. If Anandtech reported this info in reviews and gave negative reviews on boards with poor fan support the manufacturers would get the hint. Reply
Nje - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkYeah I would love to know this, particularly if the fan headers can control 3 pin fans as well (ie vary the voltage). Reply
ASUSTechMKT - Monday, April 09, 2012 - linkPrimary CPU headers ( CPU and CPU OPT are fully controllable for 4 pin ) as the majority of CPU coolers are PWM for chassis headers ( 1-4 all allow for 3 pin and 4 pin fan control ). Reply
Zoomer - Tuesday, April 10, 2012 - linkAsus, can they be used with speedfan or is it BIOS/Asus software only? Reply
ASUSTechMKT - Monday, April 09, 2012 - linkThis has been noted in the last couple of reviews. Specifically for ASUS we have spent considerable time putting quality fan controls on our boards all headers allow for 3 presets as well as min and max rotation and target temperatures. In addition with our software for this generation we offer full calibration per each header that can sense the min and max rotation and provide this information as well as sync this data to the profiles. Overall it is quite extensive make sure to check out our videos coming up which shows it in great depth. Reply
Arbie - Monday, April 09, 2012 - link@dubyadubya - Look on the bright side: at least one manufacturer (Asus) takes fans seriously, and at least one reviewer (Anandtech) is even mentionng the fact.
I have the same wants as you do, and have made the same requests, but be reasonable. These aren't full motherboard reviews! They don't even have the boards operable, much less any hands-on time with BIOS details.
And when they do have all that, a higher priority will be PCIe lanes and how many graphics cards can be stuffed in. That's because you can't run any modern games with only one board.
But then they might talk a little more about the fan controls... Let's hope. Again - be glad that even one vendor is paying attention and has included some controls to be talked about. Reply
Cavalcade - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkWith a slightly more than passing knowledge of rendering, and having spent a fair amount of time handling input in a game engine, I'm curious as to how Lucid came to the responsiveness numbers in the chart on page 3. The concept seems valid at first glance, but the numbers strike me as pure marketing fodder as opposed to solid and testable results.
Also, this sort of technology seems far better suited to residing in the driver layer as opposed to yet another piece of middleware for PC gamers to contend with. We're already effectively blocked from the hardware, and forced to go through third-party graphics APIs (Direct3D/OpenGL).
Maybe it's a "you have to see it (feel it)" kind of thing, but from here you can color me skeptical. Reply
Iketh - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - link"handling input in a game engine" means nothing here. What matters is when your input is reflected in a rendered image and displayed on your monitor. That involves the entire package. Lucid basically prevents GPUs from rendering an image that won't get displayed in its entirety, allowing the GPU to begin work on the next image, effectively narrowing the gap from your input to the screen. Reply
extide - Tuesday, April 10, 2012 - linkI am sure he knows that. He was just giving a bit of detail as to his exact experience, of which I would bet is far more than most people on here. You have to be very aware of things such as latency and delay when you are handling input in a game engine. I agree with the OP and am skeptical also. The bit that makes me most curious is the transfer of the fully rendered screens from one framebuffer to the other, that has to add some latency, and probably enough to make the entire process worthless. It's not like Lucid has a good track record on stuff like this, I mean we all know how their cross platform SLI/CF took off and worked so well.... Reply
Iketh - Wednesday, April 11, 2012 - linkWhy would you need to physically copy framebuffers?? I'm sure pointers are used...
I have no idea if this has tangible benefits, but theoretically it does. None of us know until we can test it. I'm more inclined to discredit the people already discrediting Lucid, despite Lucid's track record. That's what you call hating. Reply
Iketh - Wednesday, April 11, 2012 - linkexcuse me, you're right... it has to copy the frame from gpu to igpu... what kind of crap tech is this??? Reply
ssj3gohan - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkPersonally, I'm absolutely uninterested in anything 'high-performance', especially fancy gaming stuff. Not to say that I don't think that's a valid market niche, but I see other possibilities.
I'm really looking forward to new thin ITX boards with built-in DC-DC converter (i.e. running directly off a 19V brick), and I am especially wondering whether Intel (or Zotac, possibly) is going to build a golden board this time around. Last time, they made DH61AG which was a nice board, but lacked an msata port (kind of a must for a truly thin computer) and 'only' had an H61 chipset.
With H77, I expect it will be possible to make a thin ITX board with USB 3.0 and a fast on-board SSD option, combining this with an HD 4000 equipped processor would enable users to build a truly thin (sub-4 inch thick) computer that fits on the back of their monitor but still provides ample computing power. Reply
Senti - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkIt sounds to me that Lucid Virtual V-Sync is just glorified triple buffering with a lot of marketing and a bit of overhead for transferring frames and powering two video cards instead of one. I'm very skeptical on the HyperFormance too. Reply
Cavalcade - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkIt seems a bit more involved than triple buffering, more like having 2 buffers where the back buffer is not flipped until it is fully rendered. Seems like this would lead to more stuttering, and given the number of times they asked Mr. Cutress to reiterate that this would be a bug, it may be something they are seriously concerned with.
Thinking about it a little more, I'm not sure what advantages this system would have over a system with separated input and rendering modules. The academic side of me is extremely interested and hopeful, but the practical developer side of me is going to require a lot more to be brought on board. Reply
Iketh - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkSeparate input and rendering modules, as I stated in an earlier post, means nothing. They allow for a responsive mouse cursor, for instance. But, when you actually provide input that alters the RENDERED WORLD, you have to wait for that input to reflect on screen. It doesn't matter how perfectly the software solution is architected, you still have to wait for the rendering of the image after your input.
Lucid simply prevents renders that never get displayed in their entirety, allowing the GPU to work on the NEXT image, shortening the time from your input to the screen. Reply
Cavalcade - Monday, April 09, 2012 - linkThe comment was to indicate that while I have experience writing input systems, rendering is still relatively new to me; simply a qualifier of my impression and opinion.
The way I am understanding Lucid, it is attempting to preempt displaying a frame that is not fully rendered in time for the next screen refresh. By presenting a virtual interface to both the GPU and the application, the application believes the frame has been rendered (displaying user input at that time) and proceeds to render the next frame. Thinking more about it, would this reduce the time interval between input reflected in frame one (which was preempted) and frame two (which will be displayed) so that rather than having input sampled at a fixed rate (say 60Hz) and displayed at a variable rate, input would be more closely tied to the frame for which it is intended.
My interest is rising, but it still seems like a rather complex solution to a problem that I either haven't experienced, or which doesn't really bother me. Reply
Iketh - Tuesday, April 10, 2012 - linkit's not preemtively doing anything, except determining if a frame added to the queue will finish rendering in time... if not, it >>>>DOESNT LET THE GPU RENDER IT<<<< and places the previously rendered image in its place, allowing the GPU to immediately begin work on the FOLLOWING frame... that's it... it cuts unneeded frames from queues
as for your input sampling rate question, that's entirely based on how the application is coded to handle input, lucid has nothing to do with this... Reply
extide - Tuesday, April 10, 2012 - linkDo you even know what it means to preempt a frame? Cavalcade is describing the technology correctly. He is explaining pretty much the same thing as you are but you just don't get it..
Also separate input and rendering modules means a lot. Typically a game engine will have a big loop that will check input, draw the frame, and restart (amongst other things of course) but to split that into two independent loops is what he is talking about. Reply
Iketh - Wednesday, April 11, 2012 - linkYou really should look up "preemption." This is not what is happening... CLOSE, but not quite. Preemption is not the right word at all. This makes him incorrect and I kindly tried explaining. You are incorrect in backing him up and then accusing me of being inept. Guess what that makes you?
On top of that, he's also not talking about splitting input and rendering into two loops. Not even close. How did you come up with this idea? He's asking how the input polling is affected with this technology. It is not, and can not, unless polling is strictly tied to framerate.
I want to be clear that I'm not for this technology. I think it won't offer any tangible benefits, especially if you're already over 100 fps, and they want to power up a second GPU in the process... I'm just trying to help explain how it's supposed to work. Reply
Iketh - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - link"handling input in a game engine" means nothing here. What matters is when your input is reflected in a rendered image and displayed on your monitor. That involves the entire package. Lucid basically prevents GPUs from rendering an image that won't get displayed in its entirety, allowing the GPU to begin work on the next image, effectively narrowing the gap from your input to the screen. Reply
Iketh - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkmistake post, sorry Reply
Ryan Smith - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkThe bug comment is in regards to HyperFormance. Virtual V-Sync is rather simple (it's just more buffers) and should not introduce rendering errors. Reply
Ryan Smith - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkVirtual V-Sync is totally a glorified triple buffering, however this is a good thing.
Triple buffering as we know it - with 2 back buffers and the ability to disregard a buffer if it's too old - doesn't exist in most DirectX games and can't be forced by the video card. Triple buffering as implemented for most DirectX games is a 3 buffer queue, which means every frame drawn is shown, and the 3rd buffer adds another frame of input lag.
On paper (note: I have yet to test this), Virtual V-Sync should behave exactly like triple buffering. The iGPU back buffer allows Lucid to accept a newer frame regardless of whether the existing frame has been used or not, as opposed to operating as a queue. This has the same outcome as triple buffering, primarily that the GPU never goes idle due to full buffers and there isn't an additional frame of input lag.
The overhead of course remains to be seen. Lucid seems confident, but this is what benchmarking is for. But should it work, I'd be more than happy to see the return of traditional triple buffering.
HyperFormance is another matter of course. Frame rendering time prediction is very hard. The potential for reduced input lag is clear, but this is something that we need to test. Reply
DanNeely - Monday, April 09, 2012 - linkLucid was very confident in their Hydra solution; but it never performed even close to SLI/xFire; and after much initial hype being echoed by the tech press it just disappeared. I'll believe they have something working well when I see it; but not before. Reply
JNo - Monday, April 09, 2012 - linkThis Reply
vailr - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkPage 8 quote: "The VRM power delivery weighs in at 6 + 4 phase, which is by no means substantial (remember the ASRock Z77 Extreme4 was 8 + 4 and less expensive)."
Yet: the "Conclusions" chart (page 14) shows the same board having 10 + 4 power.
Which is correct? Reply
flensr - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkI'm bummed that ASUS didn't include mSATA connectors. Small mSATA SSDs would make for great cache or boot drives with no installation hassles and they're pretty cheap and available at the low capacities you'd want for a cache drive. That's a feature I will be looking for with my next mobo purchase.
Ditching USB 2.0 is also one of the next steps I'll be looking for. Not having to spend a second thinking about which port to plug something in to will be nice once USB 2.0 is finally laid to rest. Having only 4 USB 3.0 ports is stupidly low this long after the release of the standard, and it's hampering the development of USB 3.0 devices.
Finally, I've been repeatedly impressed by my Intel NICs over the last decade. They simply perform faster and more reliably than the other chips. I look for an Intel NIC when I shop for mobos. Reply
DanNeely - Monday, April 09, 2012 - linkThis is similar to what happened with the USB1->2 transition. The newer controller is significantly bigger (read more expensive) and very few people have more than one or two devices using it per computer. I suspect the 8x (Haswell) chipset will be mixed as well; simply because the total number of ports on the chipset is so much higher than it was a decade ago (vs older boards were all but the lowest end models added more USB from 3rd party controllers). Reply
ASUSTechMKT - Monday, April 09, 2012 - linkmSATA currently has very little penetration on the market and cost wise it is much lower to purchase a larger cache SSD for the same or lower cost. We would prefer to focus on bringing implementations that offer immediate value to users.
As for the Intel nics all our launch boards across the board for ATX ( Standard and above all feature Intel lan ) we have been leading in this regard for a couple of generations.
In regards to USB 3 we offer more than the standard on many boards but keep in mind many users only have 1 USB3 device. Reply
jimnicoloff - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkMaybe I missed something from an earlier post, but could someone please tell me why these don't have light peak? Are they waiting to go optical and it is not ready yet? Having my USB3 controlled by Intel instead of another chip is not enough to make me want to upgrade my Z68 board... Reply
repoman27 - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkThunderbolt controllers are relatively expensive ($20-30) and their value is fairly limited on a system using a full size ATX motherboard that has multiple PCIe slots. Including two digital display outputs, an x4 and a couple x1 PCIe slots on a motherboard provides essentially all the same functionality as Thunderbolt but at a way lower cost. Reply
ASUSTechMKT - Monday, April 09, 2012 - linkAlmost all of our boards feature a special TB header which allows for you to easily equip our boards with a Thunderbolt add on card which we will release at the end of the month. Expect an approximate cost of $40 dollars, this card will connect to the TB header and install in a X4 slot providing you with Thunderbolt should you want it. A great option for those who want it and for those who do not they do not pay for it. Reply
DanNeely - Tuesday, April 10, 2012 - linkSounds like a reasonable choice for something that's still rather expensive and a very niche product.
Am I correct in thinking that the mobo header is to bring in the DisplayPort out channel without impacting bandwidth available for devices? Reply
jimwatkins - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkI've made it this far on my venerable OC Q6600, but I can't wait any longer. I do wish they weren't so stingy on the 6 core as I could use it, but I just can't justify the price differential (w 3 kids that is.) Reply
androticus - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkUSB 3.0 descriptions and depictions are contradictory. The platform summary table says there are 4. The Intel diagram shows up to 4 on front and back (and the diagram is itself very confusing, because there are 4 USB 3.0 ports indicated on the chipset, and then they show 2 going to hubs, and 2 going directly to the jacks.) The text of the article says there can only be 2 USB 3.0 ports.
What is the correct answer? Reply
mariush - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkI think there's 2 real ports (full bandwidth ports) and the Intel solution uses 2 additional chips that act like "hubs", splitting each real port into 4 separate ports.
Basically the bandwidth of each real port gets split if there are several devices connected to the same hub.
Hub as far as I know means that what the hub receives sends to all four ports (and then the devices at the end of each port ignore the data if it's not for them).
This would be different than a switch, which has the brains to send the data packages only to the proper port. Reply
plamengv - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkDZ77GA-70K makes DX79SI looks like a bad joke (which it is really).
LGA 2011 turns into an epic fail and DZ77GA-70K is the proof. I have 1366 system and I have zero will to get LGA 2011 system thanks to the crappy tech decisions somebody made there. Six cores is the top? Again? An old 32nm process? Really? Chipset with nothing new inside but troubles? Since 1366 something strange is going on and Intel fails to see it. The end user can get better manufacturing tech for the video card than for the CPU. First it was 45nm CPU with 40nm GPU and now 28nm GPU and 32nm CPU and Intel call that high end? Really?
Everything that DX79SI should have been you can find inside DZ77GA-70K.
1. DZ77GA-70K has high quality TI 1394 firewire controller, while DX79SI has cheap VIA one that no any audio pro would ever want to deal with.
2. DZ77GA-70K has next best after Intel SATA controller by Marvell to get 2 more SATA 6.0 and eSATA vs zero extra SATA and hard to believe no any eSATA on DX79SI.
3. Intel USB 3.0 vs crappy Renesas.
DZ77GA-70K has everything to impress, including the two Intel LANs vs the Realtek that everyone else is using.
DZ77GA-70K fails in only one thing - it had to be LGA 2011, not 1155 that will be just 4 cores like forever and has zero future.
Wake up INTEL! Reply
Springf - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkQuote: Native USB 3.0
The other long awaited addition found on Panther Point is the native implementation of USB 3.0 that comes directly from the chipset. The chipset will only provide two USB 3.0 ports,
------- end quote
I think Z77 natively support 4 USB 3.0 ports
http://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/... Reply
C'DaleRider - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkWhen you write sentences like this:
"ASUS have a lot to live up to with its Ivy Bridge Pro board."
You do realize that you're mixing a plural verb and singular pronoun for the same damn thing...Asus in this case. First, you use a plural verb talking about Asus and then use a singular pronoun for Asus in the same sentence. You cannot do both; well, I guess you can, but you show you have no clue about English grammar and look like you dropped out of third grade.
Get a copy editor! How can anyone take this site a professional when the writing borders on illiterate? Reply
sausagestrike - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkYou should higher a sand removal specialist to take a look at you're twat. Reply
Arbie - Monday, April 09, 2012 - link@C'DaleRider -
You do realize that... you're the illiterate one, don't you?
"ASUS have" is perfectly legitimate English, and is in fact what you will hear in England itself. "ASUS" is a company of people and can be taken as singular or plural.
For me, the AT editors just made major points right in this set of comments by correcting another ignoramus, who was misusing "begs the question".
Now, can we get back to fan headers? Reply
Iketh - Tuesday, April 10, 2012 - linkno, there are errors STILL all over the place in this article... it's horrid... when your site is 99% words, please make them as easy as possible to comprehend...
Anand, for the love of god, pay a little more to hire a little more education (SEE WHAT I DID THAR??) Reply
nz_nails - Monday, April 09, 2012 - link"Biostar have unfortunately put much effort in here, with only three to play with..."
Should be a "not" in there I suppose. Reply
s1lencerman - Monday, April 09, 2012 - linkI do not understand why non express PCI slots are still on boards. The only one to see the light is MSI, and if they had a bit better performance I would switch from ASUS for my next mobo in a heartbeat. Also, why do these boards have a VGA connector (D-sub)? Intel HD graphics can only support 2 displays max, and if you have more than you should get a dedicated graphics card anyway, and probably already have. I don't see the point.
Another thing, when will OEMs start putting the USB hub at the bottom of the board facing down and not away from the board. If you have multiple cards on the board then you can get really cramped really fast when you are trying to use those.
I'm sorely tempted to just wait another year or so till there is a board with these features and over 50% SATA 6G/s, but we'll see if that even comes out in that short of time. Reply
DanNeely - Monday, April 09, 2012 - link1) Some customers are asking for them. Customer demand was why a few boards started sporting floppy controllers again last summer. Legacy PCI demand is almost certainly much higher.
2) Intel doesn't have enough PCIe lanes on the southbridge for well featured ATX boards.
2.1) This means a bridge chip of some sort.
2.2) PCIe devices are used to being able to count on the full 250/500MBps bandwidth.
2.3) Legacy PCI devices are used to sharing their bandwidth (133MBps).
2.4) 2.2 and 2.3 combined mean there's less risk of compatibility problems in filling out a few slots with legacy PCI slots.
This is probably going to remain an issue until either:
A) Intel increases the number of lanes they offer on their boards by a half dozen or so (bridges are also used for on board devices).
B) Intel integrates a lot more stuff into the southbridge so it doesn't need PCIe lanes: More USB3, Sata6GB, audio, ethernet.
C) A new version of PCIe allows sizes other than powers of two. Fitting everything on would be much easier if a board maker could fall back on just offering 13/1x or 7/7x on the main gfx slots. Reply
jfelano - Monday, April 09, 2012 - linkGReat to see Asrock finally stepping up with the warranty, great products. Reply
James5mith - Monday, April 09, 2012 - linkSomething I realized by reading this roundup:
Almost all of the current motherboards are using PCI connected Firewire chips. Even the ones that have PCIe connected firewire use TI chips, which in turn are still PCI firewire, with an internal PCI to PCIe translator.
After some research the only native PCIe firewire controller I've found is from LSI. Does anyone else know of another solution? This is an interesting "dirty secret" that I never really paid any attention to. Reply
Zoomer - Tuesday, April 10, 2012 - linkIt doesn't matter, firewire maxes out at 800Mbps, which the PCI standard can easily handle ht 133 MBps.
Of course, shared bandwidth is an issue, but reworking designs / buying the PCIe design rises issues of cost and reduces the number of PCIe lanes for other devices that can better use the bandwidth. Reply
prophet001 - Monday, April 09, 2012 - linkSeeing at the layer that Virtu is running and reading about what it claims to be capable of, is there any reason this could not cure once and for all the micro-stutter associated with multiple video cards? Reply
jonyah - Monday, April 09, 2012 - linkIt's good to know my Z68 (asus maximus iv-extreme) still hasn't been bested. I see nothing from any of these boards that beats what I've been running for some time now. Plus i have more usb 3.0 ports (12 to be exact). Reply
flashbacck - Monday, April 09, 2012 - linkFor my own PC, I'm interested in seeing what mATX sized Z77 boards there are. Often they have weird expansion slot combinations or positions. Looking at what Z68 boards are out now, it surprises me how many still have PCI slots. I would've thought they'd be replaced by PCIe 1x's by now.
Also, anything about UEFI bios implementations? Was the promise of fast booting UEFI bioses ever fulfilled? Reply
Aruneh - Friday, April 13, 2012 - linkI'm planning on making my next build a mATX one, and would be interested in seeing some reviews of high quality boards with lots of features. The Gigabyte mentioned in this article sadly seems to be a cheaper model. Reply
CharonPDX - Monday, April 09, 2012 - link"...including 8800 and 2400 series..."
What, are we back in 2007?
Oh, wait... AMD 8800 and nVidia 2400, not the other way around...
Wait, that's not right either. What's the 2400 referring to? Reply
Ryan Smith - Tuesday, April 10, 2012 - linkRadeon HD 2400; AMD's low end series for the HD 2000 generation in 2007. Reply
extide - Tuesday, April 10, 2012 - linkYou had it right the first time... That phrase in the article was specifically pointing out the broad range of compatibility of the Lucid solution. Reply
extide - Tuesday, April 10, 2012 - linkThe first time as in in 8800 = nVidia, and 2400 = AMD Reply
kristof007 - Monday, April 09, 2012 - linkI don't know if this helps or you wan to put an update but NewEgg has the boards out and prices on them (I am not sure if they sell it at MSRP or not). Just a thought if you want to update those "TBC" prices. Reply
mechjman - Monday, April 09, 2012 - linkI don't remember seeing PCIe 3.0 support straight from P6x series chipsets.
If this is regarding in use with a PLX chip, it might be good to state so. Reply
extide - Tuesday, April 10, 2012 - linkIt's actually when the boards DONT use a plx chip, or if the use 3.0 capable ones. It's only the boards that use 2.0 chips that are limited to 2.0 Reply
GameLifter - Tuesday, April 10, 2012 - linkI am very curious to see how this technology will affect the overall performance of the RAM. If it works well, I may have to get the P8Z77-V Pro. Reply
jbuiltman - Tuesday, April 10, 2012 - linkI am leaving my AMD FX-60, 3 GB DDR, Asus 939 Delux, Win XP, Raptor 150 HDD for IVY Bridge pasures!!!
I am all for ASUS 16+4 power, multi usb 2.0 and 3.0 on the back panel. I also like the multiple 4 pin fan plug ins, mem ok, LED problem indicator, switches, 4 SATA 6GB connectors and heat pipes connecting the alunimum fins.
What i want to see is 16x/16x not 8x/8x on dual video card on a Z77 board. ASUS, don't skimp for a measly $30! I hate cheap companies and don't make me think you are just being cheap!!! Reply
jbuiltman - Tuesday, April 10, 2012 - linkHey all you MoBo companies. Don't get cheap with the Z77 boards and not include 16x/16x on the pci-e 3.0!!!! Come on, add what you need to and pass the $30 on to me!!!! Reply
ratbert1 - Wednesday, April 11, 2012 - link"ASUS as a direct standard are now placing Intel NICs on all their channel motherboards. This is a result of a significant number of their user base requesting them over the Realtek solutions."
Um... ASUS P8Z77-V LX has Realtek!
and...ASUS P8H77-M PRO has Realtek!
There are more. Reply
ratbert1 - Wednesday, April 11, 2012 - linkI meant P8Z77-M PRO, but the H77 has it as well. Reply
lbeyak - Sunday, April 15, 2012 - linkI would love a detailed review of the Gigabyte G1.Sniper 3 Z77 board when it becomes available.
Keep up the good work! Reply
csrikant - Sunday, April 22, 2012 - linkDual E5-2690
So far best i have got burn a lot $$$ to get this right
my last build was with I7 990x got itchy in oct 2011 with some minor issue decided to change my PC got my i7 2700K did not meet my expectation
built i7 3960x still failed many of my requirements regret my pc change from 990x
Finally with all my pain and wasting$$ got my new build that so far perform better than my 990X build
My advice do not get carried away by fancy new i7 release they are just little benefit for P4 just wasting time I was shocked that they released P4 with 1155 socket it was having same performace as 2700K not much change in fact it was cheaper too.
Am not expert an average system builder but my advice from bottom of my heart is just go for E5 build if you are really looking for performace and some benefits you may spend some extra $$ on MB ,CPU,Casing etc it is worth in long run works out cheper than any fancy High end gaming rig water cooling etc all just shit tech advice. Never get ferrari performance form mod toyota. Reply
mudy - Monday, April 23, 2012 - linkWith the third pcie lane on the z77 boards I have come across almost all manufacturers saying "1xPCI Express 2.0 x16 (x4 Mode) & only available if a Gen 3 CPU are used". Does this mean that the lane is pcie 2.0 at x16 but works at pcie 3.0 x4 mode, if an IVB processor is connected, and other two pcie 3.0 lane is populated giving x8/x4x4 speed with pcie 3.0 compliant cards?? Also what will happen if I put Pcie 2.0 GPUs in the first two pcie 3.0 x16 slots and a pcie 2.0 compliant raid card (rr2720SGL) in the third pcie lane? Will it give me an effective pcie 2.0 bandwidth of x16/x8/x8 or not?? Damn these are so confusing!! I wish anandtech would do an extensive review on just the pcie lanes covering all sorts of scenario and I think NOW would be the best time to this as the transition from pcie 2.0 to pcie 3.0 will happen slowly (maybe years) so majority end-user will still be keeping their pcie 2.0 compliant devices!!
Thanks Reply
SalientKing - Friday, April 27, 2012 - linkAny plans on putting up some detailed reviews on these units? I'm especially interested in the gigabyte GA-Z77M-D3H , since it seems to be the cheapest z77 i've found so far. Reply
Moogle Stiltzkin - Wednesday, May 02, 2012 - linkHi Anand, i found your short review of the Asus P8-Z77 Deluxe mobo very interesting especially in the small details which other reviews don't bother to inform laymans such as myself.
Anyway what i wanted to know more was regarding what you said concerning the PLX. So because the Deluxe is using an older PLX chip, what exactly does this mean ?
You mentioned that as such it doesn't have the PCI to PCI-Express bridge feature.
What does that do exactly ? Does it mean it would be possible to use a PCI card using a PCI-express slot ? Is that what the bridge thing does :d ?
The reason i ask is because i'm stuck between keeping my current Deluxe model, or trading it in for a Premium. I'm a bit stuck deciding what to do at this point, so Anand i could use your sound advise please :{ Reply
swindmill - Monday, May 14, 2012 - linkThe LogMeIn Mirror driver seems to break Lucidlogix's Virtu software as detailed in this blog post:
Has anyone else experienced this issue? Reply
kcblair - Thursday, June 28, 2012 - linkDoes Virtu MVP really help with monitors (Geforce 3D Vision ready) ? I have such a monitor, and it "appears" , not to have much of an effect on increased performance. It, however, I set the refresh rate to 60hrz, I think there is an increase in performance, as my frame rates are above the frame rates of the monitor (70-85fps). But my frames rates remain unchanged, (70-85) when I increase my refresh to 120hrz. This statement really confuses me, at least I should make mention of monitors that are 3D Vision ready "If your setup (screen resolution and graphics settings) perform better than your refresh rate of your monitor (essentially 60 FPS for most people). If you have less than this, then you will probably not see any benefit." Any comments ? Reply
MrSpockTech - Thursday, February 28, 2013 - linkI read this article in French there:
And what I can say is LucidLogix CHEAT and think people are like monkeys.
Ati and Nvidia cheat too in past to boast all benchmark.
It's really a shame that stuff exist again.
And more funny that Intel support LucidLogix!!!
For me now LucidLogix = C**P !!! Reply

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Ethaniel - Friday, January 11, 2013 - link... but that thing looks radioactive down here. Greetings from way, way south. Reply
ptrinh1979 - Friday, January 11, 2013 - link...and bring some baking soda with me. Reply
RonanH - Friday, January 11, 2013 - linkgreat article, laughed my ass off :) Reply
Omega215D - Friday, January 11, 2013 - linkI prefer laughing my ass off to burning it off in the morning..,..
I could probably do the challenge though considering I eat some of the hottest chicken wings and udon available on a regular basis. Actually screw the challenge I just like spicy food. Reply
Fx1 - Friday, January 11, 2013 - linkNot many people realise that the chemical in Chillies are actually toxic and in high doses can actually kill you.
This is why you get the craps and your body floods your system to remove it. They are also high in Vit C and this is why you conversely think its a good idea to eat them. Reply
dgschrei - Friday, January 11, 2013 - linkYou make it look like Capsaicin (the chemical in chillies) would outright kill you. No matter what chillies you eat it is practically impossible to ingest enough of it, to reach a lethal dose.
The bigger danger is, that you risk having trouble to breathe if you react VERY strongly to the sensation.
The whole Vitamin C story on the other hand is outright wrong. Vitamin C tastes like any other acid. And in case of overdose it can also be lethel.
Still it's way easier and more likely to ingest a lethal dose of salt or even water than that you ever reach a lethal dose of Capsaicin or Vitamin C from eating natural stuff.
If you go into the refined stuff(you can buy capsaicin in pure crystalline form) that's another story though. Reply
Fx1 - Friday, January 11, 2013 - linkTell that to the baby that just died when its mother gave it chilli powder to punish it. Reply
hpglow - Friday, January 11, 2013 - linkWhere? How much powder? And link because I call BS. The only way I see that happening is if the child were allergic.
High amounts of spices only give people the craps when the seeds are not disgaurded. Because most of them are not digestable.
@dgscheri No one can consume enough vitamin C for it to be leathal. There are people who think that it is a cure for cancer and give themselvs IV drips of it and I have read some of them are taking in up to 1 Kg of vitamin C per day with no ill affects. So at what point does it become lethal? I guess if you take a giant solid wedge of it and cram it down a windpipe and choke someone to death. Reply
IanCutress - Friday, January 11, 2013 - linkTechnically chocolate can kill you. The lethal dose for an average male is 22kg though.
Top chillies for sale hit 600k-1.2m on the Scoville scale (~12m is pure Capsaicin), whereas Mace/pepper spray is about 2m on the scale. Typically these are potent enough that a small dab on the tongue is enough to make most people's eyes stream for an hour or so.
Richard Hammond from Top Gear did it on his Z4M review.
http://youtu.be/0FTcr2IFeg0?t=5m7s Reply
tommo123 - Friday, January 11, 2013 - linkhmm, most i've ever had is 10 kilos. Reply
Brian23 - Friday, January 11, 2013 - linkA friend of mine brought some of those ghost chillies back from India. All I can say is it was the hottest thing I ever ate. Reply
r3loaded - Friday, January 11, 2013 - linkI note with interest that on Google Maps there's a hospital just down the road from the restaurant :) Reply
laytoncy - Friday, January 11, 2013 - linkNever had ghost peppers but have had scorpion peppers. My friend grew some and dried them and made some "crushed red pepper" if you will out of some of his scorpion peppers. Just a bit of dust on from them sends your taste buds screaming. Heat of course is all relative. I'm sure either ghost or scorpion peppers will make most cry. I like hot stuff as well but I like to taste my food too. Reply
laytoncy - Friday, January 11, 2013 - linkAnother thing...with peppers like these if you do buy them and want to eat/serve/cook with them they are serious business. You should make sure and wash your hands (or wear glove) for real. These are not habanero's or jalapeno's. Reply
Mumrik - Friday, January 11, 2013 - linkAs someone who grows my own chilies and love spicy Indian food, I'd love it if these restaurants could drop the hot/very hot/stupidly hot/etc. scales and just write up what chilies they put in there and circa how many to expect in a portion :)
If that thing there is to indicate there's a whole Bhut Jolokia in that tiny bowl, I'd probably not do it. The presence of a Bhut in the dish means absolutely nothing without an estimate of quantity though. Reply
laytoncy - Friday, January 11, 2013 - linkThat's a great thought and I would love to know what peppers are in what dishes. Reply
JomaKern - Friday, January 11, 2013 - linkDear Anandtech, you are doomed to suffer human RRoD Reply
Romberry - Friday, January 11, 2013 - link...Fools rush in where Angels fear to tread.
I like hot, but if it requires a waiver, I ain't eatin' it. Reply
Donkey2008 - Friday, January 11, 2013 - linkCrysis benchmarks please. I want to know if the curry will run it. Reply
wogzi - Friday, January 11, 2013 - linkFor those of you who ate the stuff: good luck with it coming out the other way. The only thing that would be of possible help to you now are wet wipes and sympathy ;) Reply
Corbeaux - Friday, January 11, 2013 - linkWhile I have been known to cry after having anything hotter than a bird pepper, I know a couple local people who eat whole Moruga Scorpions and smile.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scoville_scale#Scovil... Reply
MrSpadge - Friday, January 11, 2013 - link... sounds like it would have been enough to order one of these dishes for all of you to share :D Reply
JarredWalton - Friday, January 11, 2013 - linkOh, that's exactly what we did. I think Brian has before and after pictures of the bowl. Between five people, we might have eaten 10% of the entire dish. Reply
Ryan Smith - Friday, January 11, 2013 - linkDue to unforeseen and unfortunate circumstances, several of our senior editors have suddenly passed away. As a result several new positions have opened up at AnandTech which we will be immediately filling.
Senior Mobile Editor
Senior Laptop Editor
Senior Displays Editor
CES Babysitter
Please apply via the usual channels. References are highly advised.
In all seriousness, you guys are insane. I don't know how on Earth you can stomach this stuff; I for one can't even handle simple Tabasco! I hope everything turns out okay. Reply
JomaKern - Friday, January 11, 2013 - linkPepto-Bismol to sponsor the next podcast? Reply
Arnulf - Friday, January 11, 2013 - linkThat's because Tabasco tastes like shit (well, vinegar mixed with peppers). Just add some ground (dried) or slcied (fresh) chilli peppers to your food without the vinegar flavor and you'll begin to appreciate it.
Start with something mild like Jalapeno chilli and work your way up until you no longer feel the taste of the pepper itself. There is no point in going any further from there, just back down a bit and enjoy ! Reply
geniekid - Friday, January 11, 2013 - linkWere they unforeseen circumstances? Or did you have to SIGN A GOD DAMNED WAIVER before eating the Death Chili?
Also, I wonder if your staff is going through similar symptoms to the ingestion of Guatemalan Insanity Peppers? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOQAyFSon-Q Reply
santeana - Friday, January 11, 2013 - linkLMAO!! I laughed so damn hard reading this! Thanks for making my day! :) Reply
mayankleoboy1 - Friday, January 11, 2013 - linkWas it hotter than the Gtx480 or the Fx8150 ?
On another note, keep these posts coming :) Reply
apexjr - Friday, January 11, 2013 - linkI to have been through the challenge of deathly hot food. The morning after? If you are lucky to have lasted that long, it took me only a few hours to begin the release of fire & death from below.
And yes, after such an event in your life the question of 'Is that spicy?' seems but a joke to those who have walked through the fires themselves. Reply
nickgully - Friday, January 11, 2013 - linkI expected at least one graph of pain vs. time. Reply
Mathos - Friday, January 11, 2013 - linkDrink some milk when you eat stuff like that. It's the only thing that can break down the pepper seed oil and take the burn out.......All I can say is, I feel sorry for ya the next time ya gotta drop a load LOL. Reply
Tegeril - Sunday, January 20, 2013 - linkA mango lassi is approximately 25% milk and 50% yogurt. I don't think it made much difference. Reply
A Geologist - Friday, January 11, 2013 - linkWatching this all go down on Brian's twitter feed gave me a good laugh. Hope you guys aren't in too much pain and everybody makes a speedy recovery.
Now to let my inner nerd out, your mission for today is to find out if somebody at CES has invented a capsaicin breathalyser test, so you can quantify the burn and maybe put up some benchmarks on your new 'Death Curry' feature. Reply
pranavsg07 - Friday, January 11, 2013 - linkI wonder what will happen if someone drank it like a glass of water. Maybe a big gulp. 'It's good, OMG it's burning, help me, hueheuhue, aaahhhhhh, sluurp sluuurp, water...ice cream...' Reply
John R Shirley - Monday, January 21, 2013 - linkCapsicum is a skin irritant, not a poison. The reason it moves quickly through your eliminative system is it causes movement of intestinal walls...because they're irritated. Birds are immune.
Wish I'd had some, instead of the food poisoning I got in Vegas Thursday! Would've been over in 4 hrs. Reply
kewlbug - Tuesday, April 30, 2013 - linkI did the challenge last week. so I'm number 14 or 15 now on the board. Pounded it in maybe 2 minutes. The amount of pain and throwing up is not worth a $50 gift card!! Reply


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Motorola Droid Bionic Review - Dual Core with 4G LTEby Brian Klug on 10/11/2011 1:55 AM EST
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Jamezrp - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linkStill going through the full review now...obviously quite a bit to get to. But I did want to say that Anand's first video review with the Apple Cinema Display was intriguing, and I enjoyed watching it. But this one, Brian...it just lacks the humanity. Seeing someone on the screen actually made me interested in watching, even with a complete lack of movement. Not sure if anyone else agrees, but if you guys are going to do video, I'd like to see faces talking intelligently, like you most certainly can. Reply
Brian Klug - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linkI've been doing videos in this format for a while now to show off the phone and keep it cropped nicely, but going forwards we're trying to find a way to merge the two styles.
Doing something like what Anand usually does will require telepresence of some kind, however, but it's indeed a format we are working on.
-Brian Reply
jackka - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linkBeing able to see a talking face shouldn't matter much for phone reviews. People want to see the actual phone up close and in detail.
It's not like we're watching the news or a talk show. The current format is simple and effective at its job. While I wouldn't mind more personality in the video, I definitely wouldn't trade it for any bit of the view or the detail of the actual phone that is being reviewed.
Much thanks for the video and the review, by the way. Reply
Johnnn3433 - Saturday, November 05, 2011 - linkIs 4G LTE Speed Faster Than 4G or Even Faster Than 3G?
www.fourgltephones.com Reply
Jamezrp - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linkNo worries, I totally get what you mean. I've stayed away from the camera for years...and every time I think of picking it up and putting myself on the screen, I stop myself for way too many reasons. I just think that you guys are clearly articulate enough to express exactly what need be said in a video, perhaps without even showing much of the product itself.
Then again, it may depend on the product in question. I guess that still needs to be tested. Reply
vol7ron - Wednesday, October 12, 2011 - linkBad idea. Sure it's nice to see a face, maybe you want to use PIP by lockergnome does, but the review is about the device. You want to see how the device looks, how it interacts, it's something visual. You can get away with doing that for something like an SSD, CPU, or RAM, but if you're doing a video about a device that takes visual input or gives visual output, you better include it in the video. Reply
Jamezrp - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linkI've had the Bionic myself for a bit now, testing it...the biggest problem I've had (besides battery life) are the occasional software hiccups, which I didn't see you didn't seem to have Brian, or at least didn't mention. The worst is when I lose my cell data connection, the Bionic won't start up that connection again, period. I need to put it in sleep mode and wake it up, or reboot it entirely. Not even airplane mode switching fixes that.
Other quirks include the awful shortcut-adding method, no settings in the drop-down menu, and a few more which escape me because it's late. On my model it even reads only 8GB of onboard memory, plus the 16GB card. The more I investigate, the more I think my model may be slightly defective...
Have you experienced any of these software problems?
I'll also add that I've had nearly identical benchmark scores. But I don't have the laptop dock...any plans on adding a section for that? Reply
Brian Klug - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linkI honestly haven't experienced any of those issues at all - I've lost cellular data and had it come back no problems many times. Handover remains a problem for many of the LTE handsets however, where you'll either get stuck on EVDO until you reboot.
Does airplane mode fix it at all? Sometimes these things really only can be remedied by a hardware swap, unfortunately.
No plans to add a section related to the laptop dock since Motorola didn't sample us one. However I'm told this is exactly the same as the Atrix, you can check out Anand's experience with that in his review though: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4165/the-motorola-at...
-Brian Reply
bplewis24 - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linkYou may have a lemon, because I don't have any of those issues. Reply
Hubb1e - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linkMine has been flawless as well. Sounds like a lemon. The extended battery turns this into a great phone for power users and doesn't add that much bulk. I'm very happy with mine. Reply
Jamezrp - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linkHmm, that's not good. I'll have to get in touch with Verizon about that. Switching to airplane mode doesn't fix it, only rebooting or going in and out of sleep mode does.
I have read some reviews that have claimed similar issues though. I'll keep my eyes open and report back in. Reply
secretmanofagent - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linkI'd get it replaced, I'm seeing the same issues and I'm having mine replaced. Reply
toomany - Friday, October 14, 2011 - linkI had this phone for 3 weeks and ended up returning it. It was great for about a week and half then the problems began.
Let me start by acknowledging that I may have had a lemon.
The very first trouble I had was when the phone did not get any data connection or send texts without any indication one day. The status bar up top showed the 4G icon so it took me until the afternoon to realize this. A reboot fixed this issue. Since then, on at least 2-3 occasions, the touch-screen would not respond or not turn on. I've had to pull the battery out twice. Then let me talk about the back button which annoyed me on several occasions, it just takes you back to whatever was on the screen before. For example, if I'm on the browser, then switch over to maps for a sec to find directions or a store, then switch back over to the browser, hitting the back button should go to the previous page. No, it'll take you back to your map (and there is no back on the orig browser). You'll eventually run into situations where this causes you to restart an app and lose progress.
Lemon or not, I'm not taking any chances when I can be stuck with it for the next 2 years. Also, DON'T BUY VERIZON AT RADIOSHACK!!! THEY GET HORRIBLE TRAINING, TAKES FOREVER, SCREWS YOU, THEN TRIES TO TELL YOU IT'S YOUR FAULT. Reply
corymcnutt - Saturday, October 15, 2011 - link"Other quirks include the awful shortcut-adding method, no settings in the drop-down menu, and a few more which escape me because it's late. On my model it even reads only 8GB of onboard memory, plus the 16GB card. The more I investigate, the more I think my model may be slightly defective..."
"Awful shortcut adding method?" This is my first Android (coming from BB) and I think it is easy to get shortcuts/apps/widgets to where you want them. Your memory is correct...that has been discussed at length...the on-board memory still gives you PLENTY of room for apps and the 16GB card will store all of you pictures, music etc.. Reply
sandtrap94 - Saturday, October 15, 2011 - linkI've had the exact same issues with my phone. I lose the data connection on occasion and only restarting the phone seems to work. Per the company it is not unheard of but it shouldn't happen frequently. If it does they want to know about it. Reply
lemmo - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linkThanks for the review. You say you're still working with Francois to build out your audio testing suite. Will you be doing a review that compares the audio quality between smartphones? I can't find this info anywhere.
It's a shame that audio quality is a let-down for this phone, and the Galaxy S2. I'm waiting for the reviews of the new iPhone and Nexus Prime just to see if their audio quality is better... Reply
Brian Klug - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linkYeah we're absolutely still working on a standardized testing methodology for sound - the thing to standardize here is the audio card (which we both have the same of - ASUS), a Y cable plus load headsets (testing unloaded isn't really meaningful), and the software.
Unfortunately the Bionic is already so bad that really tests would just tell you all of that again. Listening to the Bionic and then to my Nexus S with voodoo sound - the difference is shocking.
-Brian Reply
Sea Shadow - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linkIt's late and I'm about to retire for the evening, but I thought I would take the time to log in and say thank you for a thorough review.
For me Anandtech is one of the last bastions of lengthy reviews as more and more sites slip into lots of pictures and glossing over the gritty details. I enjoyed the review and especially so the details about battery chemistry and the RGBW displays.
Only thing you may want to double check is the listed order of the phones on display at CES. I understand one is left to right and the other is right to left, but the paragraph in the article seems to have the LG revolution and Samsung Charge flipped. Other than that, spot on job and thank you for a great read. Reply
Brian Klug - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linkOOps, very good catch! Should be fixed momentarily! Thanks!
-Brian Reply
MGSsancho - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linkDoes it have a locked bootloader like the Droid 2? If so it is a deal breaker for me. Other than that, all I personally look for in a review is the screen (all attributes,) Picture quality, time it takes from button depress to ability to actually take a picture, and battery life. Keep up the good reviews Reply
Brian Klug - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linkYeah the bootloader situation is the same as the 3, meaning that there is a vulnerability. I see people have CWM on the device as well, but expect an update coming soon that will patch these: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1...
-Brian Reply
Mitch89 - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linkWow those 4G LTE web browsing times are pretty abysmal. I could easily do 2hrs of web browsing while commuting of a day, not to mention listening to music at the same time. Neither my iPhone 4 or Galaxy S II suck their batteries dry like that. Kinda makes sense Apple left out 4G LTE if that's what happens. Reply
steven75 - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linkYeah, you know it's bad when you get an LTE phone to do some serious laptop tethering away from home and the CHARGER can't keep up with the battery drain!
I'll wait for generation 2, thankyouverymuch. Reply
TrackSmart - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linkThe inability to charge the phone while using LTE is pretty serious flaw. I wonder if this has to do with the thermals of the phone.
Maybe a quicker charge rate would result in too much heat? Brian recorded some pretty high temperatures while in use... Reply
EJ257 - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linkThis is pretty sad. The ES400 I have would get hot too while charging+tethered and browsing with the laptop but at least it won't have negative battery drain. Granted the ES400 doesn't have LTE but with AT&T's network you won't notice a difference anyway. Reply
xype - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - link"if there's anything I've learned in the smartphone space, it's that it is usually better to be first, than better,"
I think there's a company that disagrees with that. The one that released their first smartphone in 2007.
Being first only worked if you are actually better. But hey, being first worked wonders for all the Android Tablets and being 3rd (4th? 5th?) totally killed Windows Mobile 7, so who am I to argue? Reply
xype - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linkAddendum: The Android Tablets being first relative to the other Android Tablets that were released at a later date. Reply
FlyBri - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linkI know that these new Motorola qHD screens are a "better" version of PenTile, but to me it still looks pretty bad. I went into the Verizon store to see a Bionic myself, and I was quite disappointed with the screen. For me, I just can't use PenTile...period. If you go into Navigation for instance, the PenTile matrix is glaringly obvious on the blue location arrow. I know my Droid X has a lower res screen, but it's still way better in my opinion.
I'm holding off for the phones that have 720p screens, which are coming out any minute now. Reply
Mitch89 - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linkPenTile is a total fail, it just looks awful. I considered picking up an Atrix, but that screen is just dreadful IMO for any kind of reading. I'm not sure why I even considered it after owning an HTC Desire for a few months (same problem, but WVGA).
I MUCH prefer the WVGA display on my GSII to a qHD display with PenTile. There is just no comparison, one looks awesome, the other looks crap. Reply
FATCamaro - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linkYeah. Saw a GS2 in canada over the weekend and it was a gorgeous screen. Reply
jonup - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linkIt's actually leads to factual mistatement.
On page 2 bellow the browsing battary life graph "2.236" should be "3.236".
Take care! Reply
Brian Klug - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linkVery good catch, fixed! Thanks!
-Brian Reply
Someguyperson - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - link"There's a grille to the side of this which serves no real purpose that I can tell other than decoration."
- If I do recall, that's for the speakerphone.
"I went ahead and measured with a DMM just to make sure, though you can simply just look at the battery information page in ##4636## and see the same voltage at fully charged."
- You're thinking of *#*#4636#*#* Reply
Someguyperson - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linkForget the speaker comment. You didn't mention the obviously placed speakerphone and I thought you were talking about that.
I do believe you can lock a handset into a specific mode of operation through the *#*#4636#*#* operation if you want pure LTE testing though. It's under the "Phone information" menu at the bottom. In my experience, you can even try to lock the handset into modes it doesn't have. Reply
Brian Klug - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linkI'm actually referring to another menu in the case of the Bionic. Using the *#*#4636#*#* menu here doesn't work if the RIL isn't setup properly, as is what seems to be the case here. (EG the only options are the defaults, GSM/CDMA Auto (PRL) is selected by default, and there are no references to LTE at all).
There's another menu inside ##PROGRAM (then enter SPC 000000), Test mode, keep going next page until you arrive at a page with many drop down options, select Network mode: "LTE only" like so:
Unfortunately, if you do that, you lose 1x voice, so be careful.
-Brian Reply
sotoa - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linkThanks for the review. I couldn't wait for the Bionic (due to delays), but I'm really happy with my Droid 3 and glad that these are very similar. No loss for me there!
I'm bummed about the audio issues though. Music is just not loud weather using the headphones or the speaker. The original Droid was so much louder. Reply
rscoot - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linkhttp://images.anandtech.com/doci/4910/Bionic-About...
This picture shows the number for the handset, you might want to edit that out! Reply
Brian Klug - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linkWell, at least for the demo phone that will be sent back, haha ;)
Thanks for pointing that out though.
-Brian Reply
Aikouka - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linkOne thing that's been on my mind in regard to LTE power draw is whether or not there's a parallel that can be made to CPUs. Similar to how they say a faster CPU that draws slightly more power will finish a task faster, is it possible to state that a LTE-equipped phone will finish loading web content significantly faster (not hard task compared to Verizon's EVDO), and it can return to a low-powered state? I know on my normal 3G (GSM) connection, if I'm watching a video on YouTube, it's going to be sitting there continuously loading for at least a minute, and the battery life definitely takes a hit for constantly accessing the modem. Reply
rrhartjr - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linkYou know.. I don't think I've ever seen anyone make this point.. and I think it's pretty prescient.
The converse is that since it loads faster.. you'll just consume more, faster..
How many times have you given up waiting on something over EVDO and going to do something else. With LTE, the end of waiting! Reply
steven75 - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linkExcept for the waiting for your battery to charge, as proven in the tests above. Reply
Omega215D - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linkNot all of us have that issue with LTE. Granted the battery life isn't something worth writing home about but it's sufficient, especially after receiving Gingerbread on my Thunderbolt. On my original Droid and my brother's iPhone 4 there were times when the system would be pegging the EVDO constantly when loading some web pages thus putting more strain on the battery. Reply
kepler - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linkI would be interesting to see how much data is consumed during the tests. If the LTE phone is consuming 4x the data, but lasting half the time, that is arguably 2x increase in possible productivity. Reply
Aikouka - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linkI'm assuming that there isn't much difference between the data. LTE modems simply seem to be power hungry, so running a constant stream of data will show pretty high battery use.
This knowledge is good for some users, because for people that like to stream things like Pandora, they may consider turning off LTE (LTE isn't really required for streaming music). But what came to my mind while reading the article is that **constant data use tests** don't necessarily mimic the actions that all users take.
It'd be interesting if we could see power characteristics related to a single action. For example, how many YouTube videos could I load throughout a single charge of the battery? If the LTE-equipped phones can load 200 vs. 50 on EVDO (completely made-up numbers) simply because LTE provides significantly faster speeds, then that shows a rather large multimedia advantage.
Even without such a test, I think it's pretty easy to see that while LTE is pretty amazing to see in a phone... there's a lot of micro-managing that you may have to consider doing to see the sort of battery life that we've come to expect out of a phone. Reply
secretmanofagent - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linkOne thing that I would like to point out (and I think it's specific to Blur and worth mentioning) is the ability to dismiss individual notifications instead of having to open each individual notification or clearing all of them. I love that feature on the Bionic.
I have seen some data connectivity issues with it where I will randomly lose all data and be unable to recover it until I reboot the phone (airplane mode doesn't fix it). This can happen at any point in the day or night, and I'm having my phone exchanged. Reply
anandtech pirate - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linknah, that's okay. we don't wanna see your face.... :-p
almost all phone reviews only show the phone which is what people are watching to see. Reply
LordConrad - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linkMy Thunderbolt is rooted and running Andriod 2.3.4, courtesy of Das BAMF 3.0 RC4.9 rom.
I've overclocked it from 1.0GHz to 1.2GHz
A few benchmark results:
Sunspider = 3092ms
GUImark 2 (fullscreen) = 48.32
LinPack (single-thread) = 44.831
GLbench 2.1 Egypt = 18.2
I'll stay with this until Qualcomm Krait gets here. Besides, I would much rather have a TFT screen at WVGA than a Pentile screen at qHD. Reply
Omega215D - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linkLet's see what the Samsung Prime and the HTC Vigor have in store for us now that they are using HD screens.
I have the OTA Gingerbread on my Thunderbolt. I get similar results without rooting or overclock. Battery life is longer as well. I just have to avoid downloading useless apps from the market though (thanks to a certain APK). Reply
LordConrad - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linkI'm looking forward to the HTC Vigor also. I don't care for Samsung devices, the screens are nice but they feel cheap and are not as easy to root as newer HTC phones. The Thunderbolt was annoying to root and I'm not doing that again.
I forgot to mention that I got the 3200mah extended battery from Seidio Online shortly after buying the phone. Also, the main purpose of rooting was to enable programs such as WiFi Tether. I refuse to pay an extra $30 for tethering since I never exceed my phone's 2GB data plan (tethering is only occasional). Reply
jeepdinger - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linkI would be curious to see the number of times each page loads when the battery test is run. It was stated that several pages load continuously during the test. The new LTE speeds versus the slower 3G speeds should manage the same or more page loads for the same or less battery life. If this were true then there is a definite advantage to the LTE speeds even though the battery life seems less when the pages are continuously loaded. Is this something that could be added to the graphic, maybe as 2 bars per phone listed. Thanks. Reply
Brian Klug - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linkThat's true, though the loading is done on a timed basis, and not in a continual-load mode. EG, each device loads a page every 12 seconds, then pauses (to emulate someone reading the page), instead of simply loading through a set of pages as fast as the connection will permit.
-Brian Reply
Omega215D - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linkHmm... those issues went away on my Thunderbolt when updated to the latest radio, and the same when updating to the official Gingerbread release. Battery life has also increased substantially while in stand-by and quite a bit in moderate usage. It's possible that an update could fix the issues for the Bionic as well. Granted, the next generation of LTE chips are the ones to wait for.
Did you try toggling the Data connectivity settings? There were times I've seen that the phone disconnects from using network data connection and the two solutions would be to toggle that setting or going into and then exiting Airplane Mode. I haven't had the need to do this on my phone however, even when it was brand new. Reply
Omega215D - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linkIt seems Motorola does well when it comes to reception and talk time, though the audio was quite good on my original Droid. Could it be they started cheapening the parts used in later models? Reply
wpwoodjr - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linkThanks for the exhaustive review Brian! I'm disappointed though not to see CDMA-only battery life tests for data. Many Bionic users don't use LTE most of the time because it is a big battery drain. I measured in my testing here that CDMA uses 1.6 times less battery than LTE:
https://supportforums.motorola.com/message/478222#... Reply
Brian Klug - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linkWow, awesome testing! I can definitely run in "CDMA Only" mode and see how long it lasts on EVDO with the standard battery and update the graph when that's done, I just didn't think many people would be interested (since it's again just MDM6600).
-Brian Reply
MGSsancho - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linkThanks! Would you happen to be maintaining a list of phones that are a little more mod friendly or do we just take our business to HTC with their official tool and Samsung? Reply
ol1bit - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linkSince my contract isn't eligible till 11/4, so I'm waiting to see what the prime will bring. I loved the Charge's and Galaxy S II's Screen!
I also hope that the sound and camera are good. I use my Droid one for Sound and camera all the time.
The Bionic will drop in price, but a humming in music is a deal killer for me on a $300 phone!
I always look forward to your phone reviews,. Keep up the good work!
Thanks! Reply
lefenzy - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linkI don't see why you don't include the droid incredible 2 on your charts. you reviewed it months ago. It is a good high-end phone. it is single core, but it's performance is still decent. it has a great design and good battery life. certainly it's a worthy non-LTE alternative. Reply
carte247 - Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - linkNice job on the review, Brian. I broke down and bought this phone a little while ago, and it's blowing me away how much faster Verizon LTE is than T-Mobile HSPA+. In a low-signal LTE area, I get about 1.5x my fastest HSPA+ speed and half the ping. I'm sure the Nexus Prime is going to be better, but I'm really happy with this phone so far. Reply
05UFCaptain - Wednesday, October 12, 2011 - linkBrian,
Great job with this article. In typical Anandtech fashion, your review is extremely in-depth and comprehensive, covering seemingly every nuance of the Bionic. When it comes to video reviews of smartphones, I feel it's far more important to showcase the device and display it in action. So, keep up the good work on both video and full review fronts. As for the SSID of you AP, you're not secretly one of those Anon hacktivists are you, lol? Thanks again for the thorough review.
Nick Reply
wpwoodjr - Wednesday, October 12, 2011 - linkThat would be really cool, thanks! Reply
vol7ron - Wednesday, October 12, 2011 - link1) It would be nice to see the SpeedTest in CDMA/3G EVO (since you did the browser side-by-sides)
2) It would be nice if you added a counter in addition to saying done
3) Is that a placemat in the background? I think I have the same set from Target :) Reply
crankerchick - Friday, October 14, 2011 - linkThanks for the thorough review. It's wonderful to have more in-depth looks at device performance and comparisons to the competition.
While I don't think the Bionic is the next phone for me, it's good to see where things have progressed to. With the impending release of the HTC device (Rezound?) and Samsung with ICS (Nexus Prime/Galaxy Nexus??), I'm placing my bets on one of those for me. Who knows, maybe even an iPhone 4S is in my future. Motorola continues to disappoint the tech crowd with their locked bootloaders, but otherwise have pretty impressive device offerings, the Bionic no exception. Reply
LTE Fever - Sunday, November 20, 2011 - linkThe HTC Rezound is giving me very bad trouble with the hotspot and staying connected to LTE.
On my Bionic however I was able to hit 52 down and 14 up in Birmingham, AL which would bring it over the UE Cat 2 specs
http://www.speedtest.net/android/94284031.png Reply


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2017-07-28 culture
France's iconic Chateau de Chambord gets a makeover
Chambord is perhaps the most iconic of the castles in the Loire valley, thanks to its renaissance turrets and sweeping grounds. The castle and gardens have had a full overhaul,...
2017-07-27 culture
Actress Helen Mirren on TV honours and tackling sexism
She's one of a very select club to have won the triple crown of acting. Dame Helen Mirren has an Oscar, a Tony award and four Emmys, TV's top honour. FRANCE 24's Genie Godula sat...
2017-07-26 culture
Film show: 'Valerian', 'A Violent Life' and 'Belle de Jour'
France 24 film critic Lisa Nesselson and Richelle Harrison Plesse cast an eye over the week's movie releases - from Luc Besson's budget-busting sci-fi extravaganza "Valerian and...
2017-07-25 culture
Rock icons Midnight Oil on politics, passion and their long-awaited comeback
In a French TV exclusive, Richelle Harrison Plesse sat down with Australian rock legends Midnight Oil, who've returned to the spotlight after a 15-year hiatus. The band - famous...
2017-07-24 culture
Music show: Blues legend Lucky Peterson & Lollapalooza Paris
Richelle Harrison Plesse chats to contemporary blues icon Lucky Peterson, who fuses the blues with soul, RnB, gospel and rock 'n roll. Hailed as a "dangerous triple threat" for...