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ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2 - R700 Preview: AMD's Fastest Single Cardby Derek Wilson on 7/14/2008 12:00 AM EST
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David Brown - Monday, April 06, 2009 - linkWell if you say so, but I am not sure most people would agree...I mean if you really think about it.
David Brown
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granulated - Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - linkIf the charts are all correct then I'm quite astonished that the bizarre results haveb't been highlighted.
4870 @19x12=73.7fps
4870 @25x16=43.9fps
plus loads of other bizarre results
paradoxnighthawk - Friday, July 18, 2008 - linkI've been an ATi fan since I built my first PC with a 9600 256MB card. I have to say AMD has now proven it can handle the legacy of ATi. I haven't bought a new graphics card for myself since the X1900XT (been waiting for something like this to happen), and in just a short time I will be getting the 4870X2.
A $500 to be card seems to dominate and combination of alternatives (even more expensive ones) in most applications. If nothing else, this will drive down the price-gauging of nVidia's new GTXs, and make the life of enthusiasts and gamers alike, much more interesting. Regardless, go AMD, bring the competition.
Afterthought: If only AMD put this much brilliance into their Phenom X3 processors. I think the X3 idea has a lot of potential, just needs some more TLC. Reply
ilkhan - Thursday, July 17, 2008 - linkYou know what Id really like to see in these reviews?
Instead of nVidia GeForce / AMD Radeon being repeated in each chart, use the street MSRP for that GPU.
Then I could get everything I need on one graphic, crysis performance vs the price.
We KNOW they are going to destroy everything else, so please stop bothering. Reply
jameswalker - Wednesday, July 16, 2008 - linkI have 3 ati 4870x2 on an asus workstation motherboard with 4 intel qx9850, i'm going for the 3d mark world record, using linux. Because it is the only operating system that well utilize all 4 cpu's and my 3 video cards. It is water cooled by liquid nitrogen. Reply
vailr - Wednesday, July 16, 2008 - linkWill this 4870 x2 card be commercially available in time for Leo Laporte's "Ultimate Game Machine"?
Anand had phoned in, to talk on the UGM show:
on July 4 and had offered design tips for the UGM that's being assembled for a late August giveaway. The motherboard/video card selected (then: July 4) was an nVidia 780 motherboard coupled with SLI'ed: two water cooled 9800 GX2 cards:
Will a water cooled 4870 x2 card be available by mid-August? Reply
pattycake0147 - Monday, July 14, 2008 - linkExcellent preview you guys always do a great job on your articles. Is there any news as to when the 790GX chipset is going to be released? Reply
dragonbif - Monday, July 14, 2008 - linkI found a posting of the 1GB version of 4870
Also I do beleve that the card AnandTech tested is a 2GB 4870x2. Reply
thewanderer666 - Monday, July 14, 2008 - linkAnand, I really enjoy your site, but please, get rid of Derek Wilson, not only does he fail miserably at showing that he really knows how to bench video cards (like when he tried to prove how his methodology is better than HardOCP) but he makes huge mistakes in judgement.
First off, how come he doesn't answer the simple question of how is it possible that you guys, the most respected HW site got an X2 with only 1GB in RAM...many posts talk about this yet he has not even tried to reply. Second, his take on the performance results is simply flawed. If he had read the specs of the X2 as the rest of the sites and noted that the card had 2GB of RAM, the GRID results could have been easily explained by the additional frame buffer memory (1gb vs. 512mb) instead of coming with outlandish remarks about how there are internal aspects of the card that push the performance considerably above a regular crossfire setup.
As I tell you I really like your site and I respect all of those who write here, but seriously for such a professional site such as yours it's really sad that you have a person like Mr. Wilson in your staff. I hope this is taken as constructive critisism and not as bashing...I'm a long time reader of your site and I have no intention of having anythg different in my mind than helping this site become even better. Reply
thewanderer666 - Monday, July 14, 2008 - linkI did see the corrections were made regarding the huge mistakes in the original preview, so kudos for fixing them. Still I stand by my statements about the person in question...this kind of annoying mistakes are becoming more and more common on this site (on the graphics department). Knowing the Anand's professionalism these kind of noob mistakes (how about contacting AMD/ATI and asking them why the results might be so different) should not be allowed. Reply
ZootyGray - Monday, July 14, 2008 - linkI look forward to Anandtech testing. Other sites - some good, some biased, some illiterate, etc.
I describe Anandtech testing as thorough, fearless, accurate, brutal, relentless, and uncompromising. And few typos/language issues. And this results in far fewer fanboy/junk comments as well.
If I want the real truth, I come here, and I read it slowly - it's like a feast.
Thanks Anand and company. Reply
jamesbond007 - Monday, July 14, 2008 - linkOn page 7:
It is likely that the extra 512MB of RAM available to each GPU has significantly impacted perforamnce since we are testing with all the options cranked up and 4xAA.
Anyways, I can't wait to see tests with 2x 4780X2 going! I also would have liked to see the 4780 (single) in all of the tests, but I figured the card would get roughly half of the performance of the new X2. No big deal.
The power consumption diagrams are making me realize why the 1000W+ PSUs exist. :) Good gravy, boy! A guy would have to pick up an extra shift or job just to pay the electric bill for the new cards coming out these days. Then again, most guys who buy this card likely live in their parent's basement. :p
Just joking, of course!
Game on, ATi! Nicely done.
~Travis Reply
hooflung - Monday, July 14, 2008 - linkThis can't be a 1G version Derek. This has to be the 2G version everyone else has gotten. Can you confirm that?
Nvidia... meet face. Age of Conan on this card is simply amazing. I think I'll trade in my 3850 512 for the X2 once it comes out. Something I said I wouldn't do for a while. Reply
yacoub - Monday, July 14, 2008 - linkKind of annoying you didn't include the ATI Radeon HD 4870 card in every test, as that's the most expensive one most people will care about. The $500+ stuff is ridiculous. The $299 card is a bit more worth reading about.
The other thing is how you have to test at 2560x now just to show the biggest differences. Kinda shows that something like an 8800GT is still fine for 1680x and even 1920x for most games. Reply
7Enigma - Monday, July 14, 2008 - linkLet's see this is a preview about AMD's new high-end card that will directly compete with the 280. Of course most of us will never buy it, it doesn't mean it isn't important. There is already a review about the $300 card, it came out already with an indepth review.
Every comparison has a nice graph and chart at the bottom showing performance at several different resolutions. If you are too lazy to THINK instead of just looking at the pretty color bars and seeing which one is longer, that's on you.
Really these complaints are just getting rediculous. If they failed to review the cheaper cards or only showed a single resolution/setting (cough...cough..(H)) then I could see your point. Fact of the matter is people shelling out >$500 for a graphics card probably DO have the screens with the resolutions in the bar graphs. Reply
Alexstarfire - Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - linkNo offense to you, but it would seem to me that they were just a bit lazy on making the extra lines in the graph. I know that at Guru3D that they include different resolutions in the graphs.
To me, it's not that I'm lazy, but it's a lot more difficult to compare different numbers across a range of cards and settings than it is to see which one is above and/or below others on a graph. Reply
FXi - Monday, July 14, 2008 - linkPut 2x 4870x2's in CF on an Intel X48 or X58 and you can kiss BOTH Nvidia's chipsets AND GPU's goodbye.
Crossfire is fully supported on Intel chipsets with NO bridge chip required.
Crossfire won't be denied to function on Intel chipsets - the current bridge chip on Skulltrail has had 280 SLI denied by Nvidia, because they don't "feel" like enabling it.
Dual screens on Crossfire? No problem. Crossfire doesn't artificially limit dual screen use to just their workstation cards like Quadro.
4870x2 is already managing to beat SLI 280's in some places. Driver improvements will only make it a stronger beating in the future.
Don't you want a company that is committed to working WITH Intel, where it makes sense, rather than fighting them?
Support for DX 10.1 "just in case" it should end up enabled in some games.
Can you possibly imagine what the R800 is going to do? People should be considering the 4870x2 over the 280 and Crossfire of 280 SLI without a doubt. High res gaming has never looked so good.
DigitalFreak - Monday, July 14, 2008 - linkFanboy much? Reply
piroroadkill - Monday, July 14, 2008 - linkUh, multiple monitors are really important to a lot of people, I know it is to me, rendering SLI pointless Reply
steveyballmer - Monday, July 14, 2008 - linkNow this should run Vista Home Just fine!
http://fakesteveballmer.blogspot.com">http://fakesteveballmer.blogspot.com Reply
Griswold - Monday, July 14, 2008 - linkSo, AMD needs to bring their drivers to the point where all games of the past benefit from multi-GPU? Are you sure we need to play 5-10 years old games (assuming they even run on todays systems) at 5000fps just to prove a point? :P Reply
Grantman - Monday, July 14, 2008 - linkVery interesting to see the 8800gt sli outperforming the gtx 280 in two of the game tests. They can be had so cheap so I'm alwayes interested in info on them. Also pleased to see Oblivion as a test. The 4870x2 will has potential but as you said it really depends on the driver department. If ATI could come out with some solid reliable and fast drivers the 4870x2 should take off. Reply
JonnyDough - Monday, July 14, 2008 - linkTHANK YOU FOR INCLUDING OBLIVION! I think that this graphic heavy title does NOT get enough attention sometimes! Sure it's not as new, but it still doesn't run at high FPS with everything on high at a high resolution! Keep including it! Reply
B3an - Monday, July 14, 2008 - linkWill there be a 2GB version of this card???
Because i've no idea how Derek gets these frame rates at 2560x1600 with only 512MB usable VRAM. I guess once again they are using a special magical version that magically fits all those textures PLUS AA into 512MB @ 2560x1600 res.
From looking at dodgy charts like this before i got a 9800GX2 and that was a joke for this res, always running into the memory limit, where your'd then go into the realm of the slide show. It wasn't just me btw, every other owner of the GX2 with a 30" monitor i spoke to had this problem. As for GRID that wasn't even anywhere near playable with 2xAA, let alone 4 times @ 2560x1600 - again the memory limit. Yet anand and some other sites have these magical versions....
Alexstarfire - Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - linkIt's a 2x1GB card, what are you babbling on about? Reply
ViRGE - Monday, July 14, 2008 - link"Today's article is merely a preview as R700s won't be officially launched for at least another month, but AMD wanted to unveil a bit of what it's cooking."
This is starting to drift back in to paper launch territory, which makes me uneasy. It strikes me that allowing early previews is just as much about sinking the GTX 280 as it is showcasing a new product, which leads to the same kind of problems that we've seen in the past with paper launchers. While I love AT's CPU previews, those are both several months in advance and are for a product with a longer shelf life; I'm not sure GPU previews are necessarily as fair.
I really don't want to see this becoming a habit, with companies previewing products early enough that it's always untenable to buy something because there's something better just around the corner (except that we don't know how far). Reply
hooflung - Monday, July 14, 2008 - linkMeh, Nvidia's been doing it to AMD for the past 18 months. Time for some payback. Reply
toonces - Monday, July 14, 2008 - linkLike the 9800GTX+ preview done 3 weeks ago coinciding with AMD's 4850 launch?
I don't really have a problem with previews like this as long as AnandTech and the manufacturer can guarantee the GPU/CPU/PSU/WhateverU will be released in reasonable quantity in a reasonable amount of time.
As long as AMD/NV can avoid another 7900GTX 512MB or X800XT PE paper launch debacle they should be given the benefit of the doubt, for now, IMHO. Reply
ira176 - Monday, July 14, 2008 - linkWonder when AMD will design dual core gpu with on chip memory controller. That should help significantly shorten the card. Reply
n7 - Monday, July 14, 2008 - linkThe huge gain in GRID would be due to the extra vRAM, as it chokes with only 512 MB.
I am having a hard time believing AT is the only review site to get a 2x512 MB version instead of 2x1 GB. Reply
toyota - Monday, July 14, 2008 - linkI have seen 4 so far plus all the individuals that have personal cards now and they have ALL been 2gb models. like I said earlier ATI doesnt even have a 4870 X2 1gb model in their slides. Reply
Alexstarfire - Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - linkI've become curious as this is like the 4-5th comment I've come across that talks about a 2GB model and a 1GB model. What I'm curious is whether or not you are talking about a 2x2GB model, to make 4GB across 2 cards, or just 2GB in total RAM, because the one on this site has 2GB of RAM total 2x1GB, 4GB across 2 cards.
I have a feeling many are just getting confused, but I'd like to sk to make sure. Reply
Lakku - Monday, July 14, 2008 - linkAMD, you fail! Without even reading the whole article, which I will finish in a sec, that board layout already has me in a tizzy. Are you really going to point the PCI-E 8 and 6 pint connectors facing that way? Maybe because it's so long, but I am not sure I like that idea of having a stiff cable (most PS's these days have sleeved cables) having to be routed that way. Then again, I am flying off half-cocked right now, so (if you live around Austin, TX and listen to 93.7 12 to 1, you'll know I am part of Snatch... so this may just all backfire in my face after I get done reading the article). Reply
Lerianis - Monday, July 14, 2008 - linkYeah, I have to agree that is a stupid way to point the connectors..... DOWN? They should be pointed towards the wall of the computer, not the bottom of the computer, in order to take into account that most people have a card or three UNDERNEATH those video cards. Reply
toyota - Monday, July 14, 2008 - linkI didnt read through the whole article but why did Anandtech end up with a 1024mb version when EVERYBODY else is getting 2048mb versions? heck even all the ATI slides showed 2048mb for the R700.
http://techreport.com/articles.x/15105">http://techreport.com/articles.x/15105 Reply
orionmgomg - Monday, July 14, 2008 - linkI was wondering the exact same thing.
Maybe they are going to release even better results with the 2GB version and blow away Nvida!?
I am a Nvidia Fan Boy - or should I say - who ever gots the biggest guns Fan Boy, so if ATI brings in the meat and potatos, Ill eat em all up.
PS: I have an ASUS X38 DDR3 with QX9650 & 2 Gigs DDR3 1600 7-7-7-20, and I have been running just 1 EVGA 8800 Ultra Because SLI is not supported with this mobo, so when I upgraded from the 680i I sold my other Ultra...
But!!!!!!!! This MOBO HAS CrossFIRE!!!
As almost all other X38/X48 Mobos do! And I have been waiting for a Cross Fire solution that was worthy. If I could just get 2 of the 4870x2 cards in my system for Quad GPU - that would be really nice - give my Dorkfielf 4.0 something to do. LOL
PS; Also need to upgrade to Vista 64 as a 32 bit OS would not like 4 gigabytes of ram on the video cards, and with 2GBs system memory - may be a problem - plus upgrade ro 4 GBs of course...
csiszarerik - Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - linkHm, reply on your PS: try to install service pack 1 for Vista... my 4 gigs are there... before it was only 3.3 gigs... i have read somewhere that the new core in SP1 supports higher ram amounts... Reply
imaheadcase - Monday, July 14, 2008 - linkRam on video card means Jack Squat in all but a few games out, even then its not noticeable. A 512meg vs 2gig card means no performance difference if 2 equal cards.
Lerianis - Monday, July 14, 2008 - linkIt doesn't? That's funny: every single testing place I have seen says that when you have a lot of memory on the card to hold textures and other things, it does help with performance a lot, since they don't have to page things to the hard drive or pull things from the hard drive as often. Reply
Alexstarfire - Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - linkThat's if, AND ONLY IF, all the stuff doesn't already fit onto the cards memory. Most of the time you'll run the FPS into the ground before that happens, negating any performance gain you may possibly get. If, however, you happen to find a game where the FPS remains high, like in GRID, then it will help. Course, you'd need quite a big monitor to get a resolution that high, but that's beside the point. Reply
gigahertz20 - Monday, July 14, 2008 - linkAMD needs to get on the ball with their drivers, they still don't even have the 4850 and 4870 listed on their site under video card drivers.
Seems like all their effort was put into just releasing the hardware to sell and make money, and not putting as much time into perfecting the drivers as they should be. Reply
docmilo - Wednesday, July 16, 2008 - linkThis hotfix is a new set of drivers for the 4800 series. I installed them last night on my 4850 and when I run the Overdrive I reach 700mhz on the gpu stable.
docmilo - Wednesday, July 16, 2008 - linkWell the link didn't work. Here's the address:
http://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?dep...">http://support.ati.com/ics/support/defa...mp;task=... Reply
Lerianis - Monday, July 14, 2008 - linkThey probably haven't released a new driver for these cards yet and expect you to use the driver they include on the disk with the card. Wait until next month, they will most likely finally have a driver on their website for these cards. Reply
alzg22 - Monday, July 14, 2008 - linkThey do have drivers, Catalyst 8.6 introduced support for the 4800 series. It's just not listed under the driver finder, probably. Reply
bob4432 - Monday, July 14, 2008 - linki think they are referring to a driver that changes the fan speed so you don't cook the 4850/4870s.... Reply
KikassAssassin - Monday, July 14, 2008 - linkYou can do that now by creating an Overdrive profile in the control center, and editing the profile's file (Documents/username/AppData/Local/ATI/ACE/profilename.xml) in Notepad. There's a line in there for fan speed that you can edit. I set mine to 40% (up from the default 20%) and idle temps on my 4870 dropped from about 75C to 45C, and load temps dropped from about 95C to about 65C. 40% fan speed was right about at the upper limit I could set it to before the fan noise became annoying (the thing seriously sounds like a freaking jet engine at max speed).
It'd be nice if they'd add an option to change the fan speed in the control center, though. Reply
sc3252 - Monday, July 14, 2008 - linkThis card is hot for a $500 video card. I cant wait to pick one up. Two questions I have. Does it actually share the memory or is it separate? Did they fix the stutter associated with Crossfire? Reply
DerekWilson - Monday, July 14, 2008 - linkoh yeah, and we're going to wait until the card actually comes out to look at things like micro-stutter etc... Reply
DerekWilson - Monday, July 14, 2008 - linkmemory is not shared. shared framebuffer won't come out for a while yet apparently ...
each GPU has a separate 512MB framebuffer. Reply
LeftSide - Monday, July 14, 2008 - linkHardopc is saying their card has 2gigs, 1gig per core. Are there 2 versions of this card? Reply
toyota - Monday, July 14, 2008 - linkEVERY other review I have seen has been the 2gb models. Reply
homerdog - Monday, July 14, 2008 - linkSame here... Reply
GTaudiophile - Monday, July 14, 2008 - linkAMD: Focus on "Crysis" domination and I'm sold!
Keep up the good work but keep on working! Reply
orionmgomg - Monday, July 14, 2008 - linkRgr THAT 100%
That and a 64 bit OS Vista 64 Ultimate for all the memory and DX10
soydeedo - Monday, July 14, 2008 - linkAMD: Give me $300 more dollars and I'm sold!
Also a spelling note on the GRID benchmark page: intreguing Reply


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The Phenom II X4 810 & X3 720: AMD Gets DDR3 But Doesn't Need Itby Anand Lal Shimpi on 2/9/2009 12:00 AM EST
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thepiratebay - Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - linkIntel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz not 2.8 you put def procer in test and if overclockd you write oc...
I am sure that intel is better but no so way better
and in my opinion in the last 2 years you fav intel and nvidia more for what i am sure u have good reasons.Why i think so becas... you point just the bad sides of amd and the good of the other side on price preformance cpu mainbord you name it the diff between amd intel is tiny or amd is better.And another thing i live and work in germany and from 1000 pepole maybe 1 has core i7 pepole dont have money for maybe litle better cpu wich by the way has no software or appp maybe 5 or 10 and you compare that with ddr 2 platform from amd come on now Reply
thepiratebay - Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - linkDo some math with me:
* 790FX/GX motherboard 125 USD
* Phenom II X3 720 BE 145 USD
* 2x2GB DDR2 800 MHz 50 USD
* Radeon HD 4850 150 USD
* Power supply 550 Watt 55 USD
* Chassis 50 USD
Grand total: 630,- USD Reply
swaaye - Thursday, February 12, 2009 - linkPhenom II does not fix XP's performance problems with Phenom's CnQ, btw. Huge performance loss. Saw it first hand. Reply
goinginstyle - Friday, February 13, 2009 - linkIt is fixed on Vista and Windows 7 though... also, you need to load the new CnQ driver in XP, if you do, it works there also. Reply
swaaye - Saturday, February 14, 2009 - linkThe "new" XP driver appears to be from 2007. Reply
otheos - Thursday, February 12, 2009 - linkI use a 690G based gigabyte motherboard. Gigabyte just posted new BIOS to support these AM3 CPUs (along with AM2 and AM2+) and have been wondering what would be the performance hit from using an older motherboard with slower HT speed?
A nice review would compare the same AM3 (plus some AM2+) Phenoms on AM2, AM2+ and AM3 (wiht DDR3 Ram). This way people who only want to upgrade their CPU would know what to expect.
After all that's what AMD have in mind for their backward compatibility of these chips.
Thanks. Reply
swaaye - Thursday, February 12, 2009 - linkHT is what connects the processor to the rest of the system. High HT speed seems to be most important for multiprocessor servers and systems that use an IGP. The RAM is directly connected to the CPU, so no bottleneck there. So I doubt you'll see any tangible performance loss.
corsa - Thursday, February 12, 2009 - linkThe clear cut recommendation is Phenom ..becuase its smoother :) Reply
Mr Roboto - Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - linkUnreal. I mean look at where the now ancient Q6600 still ranks compared to AMD's latest and greatest. *sigh*
I don't want an Intel monopoly. I don't want the only choices to be Intel and Microsoft. That's not a world I wanna live in! *Loads pistol* Reply
loimlo - Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - linkThanks for such an informative review!
Though 790FX/790GX is very good, I think 780G with SB700 would be a better combination for X3 720/710 considering its lower price. I've to admit I may take this upgrade path. Anyway, thanks for your hard work. Reply
zagortenay - Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - linkWhen you click that Intel logo on the left hand side, Anandtech becomes an Intel site. Only a fool beleives Anandtech is promoting Intel for free and I beleive the cunning Intel gets what she pays for.
Hey Anand this is not acceptable! Hey Anand do you hear me! Reply
swaaye - Thursday, February 12, 2009 - linkI've always thought Anand was more of an AMD guy, going by how he names his AMD and ATI reviews. :) Reply
swaaye - Tuesday, February 10, 2009 - linkPhenom doesn't really need much bandwidth to do its thing for most applications.
http://ixbtlabs.com/articles3/cpu/amd-phenom-x4-98...">http://ixbtlabs.com/articles3/cpu/amd-phenom-x4-98... Reply
starx5 - Tuesday, February 10, 2009 - linkI can see intel logo on the 1eft of this site.
You must independent from intel's hand.
I know Core i7 is totally jerk in gaming.
starx5 - Tuesday, February 10, 2009 - linkI think anandtech is intel's doll.
refer to this reviews
Core i7 is absolutely a gaming failer!!
goinginstyle - Friday, February 13, 2009 - linkI think it is more of a case of those sites listed being an utter failure at proper benchmarking. Reply
jchan2 - Tuesday, February 10, 2009 - linkInteresting.... I wonder whats up with that? Reply
7Enigma - Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - linkThey also kind of contradict their own article later on saying:
"Benchmark note:
We moved towards a new 64-bit environment for all our test. This entailed new software updates for our benchmarks plus we replaced a lot of our tests with different software. This means that if you compare the results published in this review with other processor reviews from Guru3D.com, the numbers might not add anymore up due to different software and tests."
So unless they reran an Intel system using 64-bit software I don't know where the data came from for the i7 and E8400 platforms? Reply
7Enigma - Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - linkPossibly even more weird in the Guru3D article is the test system only had 2 gigs of ram?!? That just seems crazy even with Vista 32-bit. You can easily get some system oddness. I mean heck, 4gig should be the MINIMUM in a review of new hardware. I can't tell if that would help or hurt, but it should definitely add another layer of complexity to figuring out what means what in this article. Reply
7Enigma - Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - linkSeems like (in the OC'ers club review) they were GPU limited or at least entering the compression range in the majority of circumstances. They used a GTX 260 (216) which is definitely a bit underpowered for the latest generation of CPU's. Most of their graphics settings are too high once they get above 1024X768 to see a large difference in frame rates. Yes you can say they are still all playable, but it makes seeing the actual power of the CPU less important.
Guru3d article again is weird. The biggest problem I see here is what the test setup is for the Intel i7 system? I skimmed the article (it's huge), but never could find it. As for the testing again heavily GPU-limited over about 1280X1024 (and in some cases literally right off the bat at 1024X768). Once they hit 1600X1200 with the single 280 the cpu's have just stalled waiting for the GPU. This still doesn't explain the Crysis: Warhead numbers which show the i7 LOWER than the AMD cpu's @ 1600X1200. My guess is the percent error in the testing is large and so pretty much anything within 5% is equal (again denoting the GPU-bottleneck).
I won't comment on Tom's as that site has lost all respect with me.
But we've all known that gaming performance with the latest (or even previous generation CPU's) when not also using CF/SLI or stupidly low resolutions DOES NOT make a huge difference with most games (some RTS/FlightSim/FarCry2/etc. excluded). decided to try that way back with Conroe to show how it wasn't so great for gaming (testing everything under completely GPU-limited scenarios).
This isn't news. Reply
Casper42 - Monday, February 09, 2009 - linkIn the Sysmark benchmark results, you have the following comment:
Against to its Intel competition, the Phenom II X3 720 falls short of the Core 2 Duo E7500 and the E8400. The X4 810 also falls short of one of its intended targets: the Q8200.
While the X3 720 does fall to the E7500 (didnt bother comparing against E8400), the second line about the X4 810 losing out to the Q8200 is totally unfounded. The Sysmark results have the AMD chip losing in only 1 test set and the AMD wimming in the other 4 or 5.
I would probably buy the Intel anyway in today's market, but you should at least keep your review as honest and accurate as possible. Reply
Lokinhow - Monday, February 09, 2009 - linkI've seen some scores with the X4 810 at ~3.7GHz, but not with a 2.7GHz NB clock.
That would be nice to see some benchmarks at this clock speeds to know what is the boost in performance with a so higher nb clock speed.
Including a simillar clocked Core2Duo would be very nice too.
ps: yeah, my english is not so great, so sorry if there is some gramatical erros ;D Reply
TA152H - Monday, February 09, 2009 - linkI'm really surprised that no one there put any thought into testing the difference between the memory controller and L3 cache running at 2.0 GHz instead of 1.8 GHz.
I mean, you have a BE edition, with the 940, so what would have prevented you from running at at, say 2.6 GHz, like the 920, putting them on the same platform, and then benching them so we could see the difference the "uncore" speed makes.
It's really an important consideration, because obviously AMD will be releasing Phenom II's at 2.8 and 3.0 GHz, with 2.0 GHz uncore speeds, on AM3, and it helps people make a decision whether to wait or not. With AM2+ is shackled with DDR2 (I don't buy that there's no difference between DDR2 and DDR3, especially when other websites have identified them to be roughly 2%), the degenerate speed of the uncore could exacerbate this issue.
My other question is, does the uncore on the 910, et al, still run at 2.0 GHz when running in the AM2, and AM2+ platforms? I don't see why it would, but anything is possible.
I think two sets of benchmarks would be interesting. An underclocked 940 (to 2.6 GHz) versus a 910 processor. One on an AM2+ (yes, it's obsolete, but people will still buy it for a while) with the exact same memory. This assumes, of course, the uncore runs at 2 GHz for the 910 on this platform. The other is the 940 in its obsolete platform running at 2.6 GHz, against the 910 running on the modern AM3 platform, with high performance memory. If you really want to be thorough, you can run the 910 on both the AM3 and AM2+, each with the best memory available for it. I think these would all be helpful. Reply
jchan2 - Monday, February 09, 2009 - linkAny word if there will be a Phenom II Black Edition in the near future? Reply
WillR - Monday, February 09, 2009 - linkDo you mean another Phenom II Black Edition? Is the 940 not good enough for you? Reply
jchan2 - Monday, February 09, 2009 - linkWhy not? Imagine the ghz you can gain if there was one. AMD did it before, why not now? Reply
jchan2 - Monday, February 09, 2009 - linkNvm, didn't realize the 940 was already BE
WillR - Tuesday, February 10, 2009 - linkYep. And it makes sense imo for only the highest clocked quad core and the highest clocked tri core to be Black Editions rather than also having an 8xx BE. I've heard they should have a 990 BE out Q3 or Q4 this year. Reply
strikeback03 - Monday, February 09, 2009 - linkSuch as the 720 Black Edition tested here? Reply
jchan2 - Monday, February 09, 2009 - linkYeah, besides the 720 such as the 800 or 900 series. Reply
Denithor - Monday, February 09, 2009 - linkSuch as power consumption/heat charts for the dual core chips.
(I mean, come on, these chips still hang with the quads in many cases, I want to see how much better they are from a power consumption standpoint - is it worth the upgrade to quad if you've got a speedy dual?).
To me it looks like the AMD chips give a lot better scaling when increasing the core count (X3 720 -> X4 920) than the Intel chips (e8400 -> Q9650). In most of the multi-threaded apps the AMD processors saw >95% increase (of the theoretical 33.3% possible) versus Intel with about 70-80% (of the theoretical 100%) on average. I wonder if this has to do with the fact the AMD chips are monolithic in design (more efficient interface among cores). Reply
waffle911 - Monday, February 09, 2009 - linkThe image of the "socket AM3" is actually of the AM2... it still has 940 pin sockets, not 938. Reply
JimmiG - Monday, February 09, 2009 - linkYou need to change the "compatibility matrix" to reflect that an AM3 CPU will "maybe" work with an AM2+ mobo. Second-rate manufacturers like Asus will not release the needed BIOS updates for some of their older boards like the 790FX/SB600-based Asus M3A32-MVP Deluxe. If you have a SB7xx-based board and it's not made by Asus or another second-rate mobo manufacturer, the matrix is probably accurate. Reply
fishbits - Monday, February 09, 2009 - link"We really have to applaud both companies here. Intel for responding so quickly and effectively; the 40% price drop on the Q9650 just made sense and now you can have a chip with 12MB of L2 cache for under $300 thanks to the Q9550."
You're applauding Intel over this? To me, looks like they were screwing over customers with a gigantic artificial price premium. If it weren't for stepped-up competition from AMD, the price would have remained in the stratosphere. Intel is entitled to price however it wants, but I'm not going to applaud them for lowering prices only because another company exposed their gargantuan profit margin.
Juat a tiny taste of what would be to come if only Intel were left standing. If fanbois who wish AMD harm ever got their wish, there'd be no competitive pressure on CPU prices, and we see what Intel does in that position. We really need two healthy CPU makers in business.
Finally - Tuesday, February 10, 2009 - linkYou know something's fishy, when a supposed article about a new AMD CPU starts with one full page of how Intel is the greatest evar... (and how much dropped their prices, which shall suggest to your mind that they are more interesting while they in fact go from Gargantuan to "normal" pricing for their products...) Reply
Maroon - Monday, February 09, 2009 - link^agree^
Why in the hell would you "applaud" Intel for price gouging? I know it's partly AMD's fault by not having truly competitive cpus for the last 2 years, but I'm not gonna give Intel props because they had to reduce prices to remain competitive in those price segments.
poohbear - Monday, February 09, 2009 - linkAMD Phenom II X3 710 is gonna be priced at around 125-135 i imagine, maybe even less, and for that price im sorry its a clear pick for those on a budget!! Its got 7.5mb cache, 3 cores, and will overclock to 3.6ghz if the 720 is any indication. Such sweetness. Any eta on em yet? Reply
BLaber - Monday, February 09, 2009 - linkAs far as I have read on some other sites AMD sent an email along with the test samples to reviewers to test the cpus on AM2+ mobo for time being bcz AM3 mobo bios are having some performance issues. Reply
Nightstalker - Monday, February 09, 2009 - linkI don't understand the conclusion that there is no benefit to DDR3, when these CPU's were tested with DDR2. How about including results on these CPU's with both types of memory so we can see how they perform? Reply
Gary Key - Monday, February 09, 2009 - linkWe will have additional DDR3/DDR2 results this week, we had AM3 BIOS releases coming until Friday night, the last one actually worked although it broke AOD and TurboV compatibility on the ASUS boards. We still cannot get DDR3-1866/2000 working. Of course, DDR3-1333 is the highest official support offered but we figure if it is in the BIOS then it should work. Reply
Griswold - Monday, February 09, 2009 - link"We're in the midst of a price war folks, and at a time when the global economy is looking a little shaky this actually works very well for us. Let's recap what's happened."
That works very well for us until AMD, despite having a good product portfolio (this includes video cards), goes belly up thanks to this worldwide recession (a little shaky? Where have you been the last couple of months!?).And then what? Back to moon prices courtesy of Intel?
I hope not, but fear the worst. :( Reply
lplatypus - Monday, February 09, 2009 - linkWhy does the Ph II 940 system use only 4W more than the 810 at load? This is not consistent with TDPs (125W vs 95W). The HEXUS.net review found a 23W difference under load. Is something wrong here? Reply
Axloth - Monday, February 09, 2009 - linkI'd love to see detailed test of impact of cache size per core, because test results in this review are really weird. Something like x4 910 vs x4 810 vs x3 710. Pretty please with sugar on top... Reply
ET - Monday, February 09, 2009 - linkNeeds more comprehensive testing, period. The results look really strange sometimes. Not only did the 810 sometimes outperformed the 910 significantly, but the 710 consistently beat the 910 in the gaming tests.
(So far -- and I haven't read other reviews -- the 710 is looking like a good candidate to replace my aging X2 3800+.) Reply
RadnorHarkonnen - Monday, February 09, 2009 - linkFrom the rumors ive seen in the web, this will be a pretty cheap cpu.
Myt little brother is crying for My 4800 X2 (he always get free upgrades) with 4Gb DDR2.
Just one question, With a Stock VID 1.325 to 1.55 isn't that a little bit aggressive (even with good air cooling), for everyday operation ? I was hoping for a OC up to 3.6Ghz in decent voltage. 3.8Ghz Would be very good, but the voltage seems somewhat too large for day-to-day operation.
Thanks for reading, and replying if you have the time, of course.
Gary Key - Monday, February 09, 2009 - linkOn our samples, starting around 3.5GHz you really had to ramp the Core VID. 3.6 required about 1.45V in the BIOS, with droop it was around 1.4375V real on this board. If the retail chips follow the 940, then I would say around 1.425V should be realistic for 3.6GHz on the right board. 1.55V is not outside of AMD's spec and is the limit they have found for air cooling. It is about the same limit we have noticed also for the most part, but these chips are designed to take a lot voltage if you keep them properly cooled. Reply
RadnorHarkonnen - Monday, February 16, 2009 - linkI'm already checking prices and availability for this hardware. I'll check the speed bump and the temp bump between 3.5 and 3.6. Thanks for the info Gary. Reply
duploxxx - Monday, February 09, 2009 - linkmost run 3.4 ghz already on stock vcore
@review, you state that there is no performance difference between ddr2-ddr3 but you didn't show anything? Anyhow official statement from AMD is that the ddr3 part bios is not fully ready yet, so I hope you will do a full review later. Reply
Gary Key - Monday, February 09, 2009 - link"@review, you state that there is no performance difference between ddr2-ddr3 but you didn't show anything? Anyhow official statement from AMD is that the ddr3 part bios is not fully ready yet, so I hope you will do a full review later."
AMD told us a couple of weeks ago to concentrate on performance with the AM2+ boards since the AM3 BIOS releases were immature. I received several BIOS releases last week for our AM3 boards and felt safe enough to display numbers with them in the OC section today.
We are still testing and will have comparisons up in the near future. That said, we still have a list of requests back to the motherboard companies to fix. For the most part now, the AM3 boards are usable and clock well. I figure another BIOS spin or two and they should be good to go.
Also, in a best case scenario, AMD had performance improvements of 5% at best in memory bandwidth limited benchmarks with DDR3. Things might change with the 945 hits in a couple of months, but on these processors, there really are not any differences between DDR2 and DDR3 at this point. Reply
Kaleid - Monday, February 09, 2009 - linkPower consumption and framerates at the max stable overclock? Reply
7Enigma - Monday, February 09, 2009 - linkDitto the power consumption at OC'd levels. I always get annoyed to see these fantastic OC results but then fail to see whether we've doubled the power consumption. It would certainly allow us to see a potential benefit if one or the other uses significantly less power under OC load conditions. Reply
Gary Key - Monday, February 09, 2009 - linkWe will have power consumption and temps up tomorrow for the OC results along with a few benchmarks. It was difficult to get stable (true) volt readings with the X4 810 installed, so I spent my weekend with the DMM on the boards. Reply
Kaleid - Monday, February 09, 2009 - linkGreat! Possible to also add difference with non-overclocked and overclocked power consumption at idle? Reply
7Enigma - Monday, February 09, 2009 - linkAt the wall (total system) or just for the CPU? Do you mean the total system power was fluctuating with the 810? That seems really really wierd. Reply
Gary Key - Monday, February 09, 2009 - linkThe power was fluctuating on the board at the Core VID side. I should have a BIOS spin tonight to fix it. The 720 was perfect but the 810 had a few problems that have been identified now. Reply
7Enigma - Monday, February 09, 2009 - link*weird, please give us an edit function. Reply
OCedHrt - Monday, February 09, 2009 - linkInterestingly, the 810 vs 910, there is no real performance difference outside the margin of error. In some cases, the 810 is faster and in some, the 910 takes the lead. Something I noticed though is that the 810 is faster than the 910 at more times, and faster by a larger amount (~3% when it is faster) as well. Seems like the reduced cache does not actually hamper performance. Reply
Moorbo - Friday, April 24, 2009 - linkFor most applications it seems you're correct that the smaller cache makes little difference. However if you look at the gaming performance the 2MB/core L3 cache of the 720 and 710 clearly makes a big difference despite their slower clock and lack of an additional core. What would the numbers look like with only two cores and 3MB/core and a higher clock? Reply
johnsonx - Monday, February 09, 2009 - linkindeed, the 710 is also often faster than the 910, but usually slower than the 810.
I'm a bit surprised we the readers have to thumb through all the benchmark charts to see the 710/810/910 comparison. 3 Phenom II's at the same speed, one 'standard', one with less cache and one with a missing core; that is something AT should have dedicated a page to.
stmok - Monday, February 09, 2009 - linkYeah, I noticed that as well. It looks like 4MB L3 cache is sufficient with Phenom II. (Any less, it'll start hurting...Any more, you're just wasting silicon space). Reply
hyc - Monday, February 09, 2009 - linkI was looking for the test that justified the "DDR3 not worth it" conclusion, but didn't see it.
Where did you show the results of testing the X4 910 against the X4 940, with CPU and NB clocks set identically? If you didn't test this, then how can you make any conclusion about DDR2 vs DDR3 performance on Phenom II? If I missed it, sorry for being blind.
7Enigma - Monday, February 09, 2009 - linkI'm hoping since this just went up they forgot to include a couple pages. If not, hopefully they are retesting ASAP to include data.... Reply
jchan2 - Monday, February 09, 2009 - linki'm intersted in seeing the benchmarks myself.
if it's true that DDR2 vs DDR3 doesn't make much difference in performance, then what's the purpose of getting DD3? Reply
TheFace - Monday, February 09, 2009 - linkSo that when the prices DO drop later this year, they aren't caught with their pants down playing catch up on the memory compatibility front. Also, when Joe Schmoe runs to Worst Buy to replace the computer that he got 5 years ago, with a new $600 model, he can look on the box and see DDR3 which MUST be faster than DDR2.
It's a selling point. In retail, ANYTHING is a selling point as long as there is a disparity in knowledge held by the parties involved. Reply
Targon - Monday, February 09, 2009 - linkCompatibility. When Intel made the jump to DDR2, AMD waited until the prices came down on the memory. If there is no performance advantage, then the only reason to change memory types is for price reasons.
For large OEMs like Dell, HP, and Gateway, it is more cost effective if all systems use the same type of memory. At this point though, since there is a price premium for DDR3 memory, just having DDR3 support on the CPU would not make an OEM add more AMD based machines to their list of systems sold.
Gary Key - Monday, February 09, 2009 - linkWe are still working on the comparison, but all of the initial numbers pointed to a tie between DDR3 and DDR2 in our results so far. The BIOS releases for the AM3 boards are just now coming up to speed. I had planned on significantly more information in the overclocking section but we just received a new BIOS for the 790FX boards that allow DDR3 clocking above 1600 or so.
However, at like core clock speeds, DDR2-1175 C5 is just as fast as DDR3-1600 C7 in most of the benchmarks at this point. We are running tests now at the lower end of the spectrum to show 800/1066 DDR2 vs 1066/1333 DDR3. Those results still show little if any differences. Reply
thepiratebay - Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - linkIntel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz
in ur upper test as u can seee 2.8????? Reply
Enoc - Tuesday, February 10, 2009 - linkDDR3 is not the problem, Deneb is bottlenecked on NB-L3 side... what it needs is NB at 2,800mhz+ with DDR3 1,600mhz+ for a good scaling... Reply
Denithor - Monday, February 09, 2009 - link"We are still working on the comparison"
SO - why would you even reference DDR3 as being useless in your title if you aren't going to provide evidence to back up this comment? Reply
Gary Key - Monday, February 09, 2009 - linkWe are still working on it but all results so far point to that being the case right now. It is difficult to have meaningful results ready when receiving BIOS releases that actually stabilize a board just a few hours before going to print. ;) Reply
just4U - Monday, February 09, 2009 - linkI think you were a bit optimistic in your prediction that DDR3 will be at price parity with DDR2 by years end but otherwise a good review.
I do have a question tho as I am not 100% sure on it. The cpu's that were launched in January (920/40). Are they also compatable with DDR3 boards? Or just these new cpu's? Reply
faxon - Friday, May 01, 2009 - linkreally? because right now newegg is selling a 2x2GB kit of Gskill cas9 1600 for $59, and the like kit of DDR2 cas5 is only $56. all we need now is for latency on the ram to drop at the same low voltages seen on i7 kits and i would call that price parity, not that you will even really notice the latency difference except in synthetic benchmarks anymore Reply
DrMrLordX - Monday, February 09, 2009 - linkTo the best of my knowledge, AM2 and AM2+ Phenom/Phenom IIs will not support DDR3. Their memory controllers just can't hack it. Reply
hyc - Monday, February 09, 2009 - linkHow so? Barcelona/Phenom-I already had the dual memory controllers, they were just never enabled on any motherboards. Reply
Targon - Monday, February 09, 2009 - linkFor DDR3 support you need a DDR3 supporting CPU. From the sound of it, the processors are the socket AM3 type, meaning they will work in both socket AM2+ and socket AM3 motherboards. If a processor is for socket AM2/AM2+, it will NOT work in a DDR3 motherboard.
The way it works is simple, the DDR3 versions of the processor have both DDR2 and DDR3 memory controllers, so will work with either type of memory. The DDR2 processors(X4 940 and 920) only have a DDR2 memory controller(it is dual channel, but that isn't the same as supporting both memory types), so will only work in a socket AM2 or AM2+ motherboard.
The X4 945 and 925(I think) will be the DDR3 supporting versions of the current chips.
Again, you can NOT put a socket AM2+ chip in a DDR3 board, it won't work(pin is blocked in the socket to avoid frying the chip). Even if you could put the chip in a DDR3 board, without the DDR3 memory controller on the CPU, it just would not work.
grb1212 - Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - linkyour not totally right if u have a am2/am2+/am3 compatible board and it uses ddr3 if u use a ddr2 compatible processor ddr3 will work with a ddr2 processor but it will act like ddr2 memory as far ass performance Reply
TheFace - Monday, February 09, 2009 - linkThis may help.
The chips released today seem to be the only ones that work in AM3. But the chips released today will also work in AM2/AM2+. It's just, as has been stated repeatedly, the chips designed for AM2/AM2+ won't work in AM3. Reply

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In PvE I have been using Longbow :-
1v1 Lay traps, 3 for weakness, start backing off, 2 for flurry of shots, they will hit the traps (burning and cripple), 4 to push them back, 5 to rain arrows and cripple again, 1 to finish off.
Vs groups put the rain of arrows sooner then kite in circles - or switch to great sword which is practically a AeO with the basic swings.
I definitely the traps the most useful - though only the burning and cripple ones. I use the condition removal as my third utility since getting rooted leads to a swift death.
PvE is definitely a million times easier with a bear (or two ) since the cats I was using before got 1 shotted by any melee enemies a few levels above mine. The bears seem to be able to tank anything 3 or 4 levels higher for long enough. Especially if you switch pets when one get low.
The polar bear is trivial to get (won't give spoilers) so I would recommend to all for PvE.
Recently I have switched to Shortbow and Axe and Torch based on conditions - more for a change than because its more effective. I was underwhelmed by Axe main hand at first but then I realised it hits 3 targets at once so its actually not that bad. Torch has good synergy with axe main hand 2 (burning field + projectile finisher), and the area burning also works pretty well with traps.
Sword, meh. He prances and dances but he doesn't do a lot. Probably just need to practice though! Maybe better in PvP.
Horn I like since it gives a speed buff. Duration is pretty limited though. I tend to pick this up for WvW. The summon birds seems to do next to no damage though with a pretty long cool down.
Dagger - not really used it to be honest.
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Just found out the GW2 RPS forums
Currently i have a longbow/shortbow swap, which seems to work nicely for me (but then again, i'm only lvl 26 atm).
I do have a question, a very basic one, but i fail to find a good answer to this:
Should i go for Power, precision or is a combination between the 2 the best? It is not very obvious to me, though on 1st sight power seems better. The same for the traits, i have a hard time choosing between the 1st (bonus to power and +condition damage) and 2nd (bonus toprecision + crit chance). The condition damage is nice to have with the shortbow, but the +crit chance seems better in general. Any help would be appreciated!
I'm level 72, still using long/shortbow.
I'm as selfish as they come (three signets!) and it works great. What really makes the build is the Piercing Arrows: What that means is that all arrows go their full travel length, so like column shot in AoC, they just run through mobs of enemies, cutting a line through them. In other words, all my shots are AoE.
You don't know how it feels until you knock back 3+ enemies with a single Point Blank Shot, then unleash a Barrage and a Rapid Fire that hurts them all.
And since I have four different types of regeneration, just about any pet I put up front does perfectly fine. Hell, I've been dabbling with Summon Fern Mastiff to have two fern hounds running around with me, knocking things down and eating them.
Woah, you are hells of selfish. I am running three signets but at least I am using the healing spring rather than the "screw everyone else" troll unguent.
I'm also experimenting with using a pink moa, since a) Pink. Moa. and b) it's got an aoe heal ability that will occasionally proc, which should allow me to give a bit of extra heals to the party without having to remember to press F2 for the fern hound's command heal.
I really like the lynx model, and it does a very satisfying amount of damage, but as soon as a fight gets interesting I go back to wishing I was running double bear and could basically tank forever. Bear/Giant Flamingo should work nearly as well and allow me to do a wee bit more damage. Plus, Pink. Moa.
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I ding'd level 80 on ranger a few days ago. Getting my arse kicked in the final story mode thingy. Advice welcome!
From what I can tell, the "level 80" guys in the final story quest (victory or death) are actually level 140-ish for some of them (seems pretty random which, some go down easy, others literally take 10 minutes to kite ONE of them while my little group does damage).
Anyone done this story quest got any pointers? I wasted maybe 50 silver on trying to do it (you have to repair your armour enough times they give you an armour repair place within the quest itself).
Another thing, they give you a revive orb just before this quest. Think they were taking the piss with that?
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NOOB indeed duffin old chap. Yeah, for some reason I didn't see the "requires 5 people" bit at the door when I went in the instance
Man that quest is loooooong. I was nackered at the end. Can't say it dropped anything brilliant either. But at least its done now. I can retire to my knitting and crochet. Now somebody fetch me a cup of cocoa and read me a story
So does that mean you'll do some pvp now? :P
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I often used Swoop in my journey. Dagger and axe are perfect as well.
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Holy carp. I just saw in a video that your pet can res you if you're downed! I didn't know that! I just spammed the keys that weren't on cooldown when downed. no wonder I revived so much. You live and learn.
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Yeah... I can agree more. Same as me before. Just keep on playing.
Believing that the leaked patch notes will be entirely accurate, I came up with this ranger build yesterday:
Klick me!
I've been wanting to do a condition ranger for a while, I don't really think it's going to be nearly as strong as the beastmaster bunker I currently run, but I hope it's going to be fun as well! It's certainly the most AoE a Ranger can bring to a WvW zerg.
Basically, I put as much into Condition Damage and Toughness (because of the runes of the Undead) as possible, while trying not to neglect Vitality and Healing Power too much. The Power and Precision stats are mostly side effects. This build is meant to be played mainly with Axe and Torch (which can probably be replaced with an offhand weapon of choice). There is very little survivability; in theory, I would rely on the sigils, as well as the sword evades, to survive: The axe is good for tagging enemies, so you should get some healing out of the sigil, while the weapon swap fury is useful to fire off the on-crit condition removal.
Entangle is the elite of choice because it ruins people's days. It's possible to switch the -50% falling damage trait for the reduced cooldown on Survival skills, making Entangle more readily available. Also, you could probably switch one of the traps for Lightning Reflexes to add some survivability then, with the reduced CD and all.
The sword/axe set is for the (as of yet unconfirmed) pull on Axe 4, which makes most sense together with sword and it's single-target damage. Also, as stated above, sword is really useful with its multiple evades.
Healing Spring could be replaced by basically any other healing skill, I put it in because it has the most utility and you can heal siege with it, which is always good.
Pets are Wolf for the fear and Moa for the Fury, because they won't deal much damage due to the absence of beastmastery traits. Drakes could also be useful, but I'm not sure whether my own condition damage counts for the pet or not.
I went for +condition duration food, as I think it makes more sense there than the measly +10% on a weapon, as well as for +condition damage nourishment.
I'll probably run this inefficient but fun trapper as soon as I have run Sorrow's Embrace some more to get the silly helmet!
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I'll be interested to see how that works, I'm not really sold on condition builds for rangers.
adding the pull to the offhand axe means that I could use greatsword - axe/axe for an alternative weapon set, but as I run longbow most of the time I don't want people getting close to me.
the improvements to the longbow are welcome but didn't get the only improvement I wanted, which was an improved cast time for Point Blank Shot - it's currently pretty useless in any form of PvP.
I also would have like them to add blind to the number 4 skill on warhorn which they haven't done either.
The spotter trait now looks pretty enticing if you're running in a group (especially with AH Guardians), while the new grandmaster trait would be pretty good for regen rangers.
the pet's damage nerf doesn't bother me too much, as I don't spec for pet damage; but I can see some people being a bit peeved; they didn't really need nerfing in my opinion.
the other thing they should have done and didn't is to change Signet of the wild and move it to the healing skills, then a new signet to boost crit damage and you could build a really good signet ranger, since at the moment all the signets are defensive.Hawksbane | Fuchsia Panthera & the Hawkcrew
I'm helping you with your stat spreads a bit: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fMEQRAs...AzhQEVLEwi1A-w
Also I have to say this, for a condition build you don't have a lot of conditions (you don't get that many bleed stacks outside of the elite). Maybe think about adding spike trap, and how about that reef drake?
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The long sword has a rather satisfying leap into combat like a friggin' hawk + the claw like a huge friggin' bear! The animations with both of these animals actually appearing is nice. So I tend to use it quite a lot. But the axe in the offhand? Why didn't I ever think of that? Sounds very cool.Easy (nCore) likes Braaaains
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So, after a bit of sPvP testing, I changed my build a little to this: Klick me!
I switched out the Frost Trap for the Spike Trap because while chilling is nice, it doesn't kill people as fast as bleed does (I'm thinking about switching the poison one for the frost one though, as chilling is simply insanely useful with its combo field)
The "keen edge" Marksmanship trait will be changed to trigger on opponents with low HP, so there's some more bleeding. The second Marksmanship trait I'm not so sure about, I might take Spotter to give +150 precision to allies, since there already is lots of cripple/chill in this build.
I'm not entirely sure about the Wilderness Survival traits, as there's 4 useful ones and I can only pick two. I don't think taking regeneration without buffing regeneration is worth it, offense is the best defense!
You might ask, is it effective? To be quite frank, it is not. In a 1v1 situation, I don't think I have won against a competent build. I have won against crappy players however, so that's at least something.
It is fun though. Very, very much so. With the shitton of AoE conditions you can throw out, you might go down first in a 3v3 situation, but you get rallied most of the time because people die before you do. A lot. Also they are often so low on health that they can't afford to stomp.
You can Entangle people just outside of a point to cap it while they can only watch.
Burning has a more than 100% uptime, the Flame trap itself accounting for 50% if the enemy does not move out of it.
Also, there's a lot more micromanaging involved than with my BM bunker, I mostly forgot about the utility on the sword/axe set, so maybe this is more effective than I think.
The problem is that focusing on toughness/condition damage provides the needed survivability. By taking three traps, you sacrifice a lot of the awesome skills that make life as a ranger easier. I don't feel confident enough to go glass cannon without lightning reflexes
Also I have to say this, for a condition build you don't have a lot of conditions (you don't get that many bleed stacks outside of the elite). Maybe think about adding spike trap, and how about that reef drake?
Edit: As an added bonus, this build annoys the hell out of thieves. It doesn't kill them, of course, but at least they don't get to kill you easily either.
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quote:Originally posted by Guest3792Hey Joshua, Benn is not having a breakout year (especially because playing with Sequin). He has been flying under the radar for at least 2years if you ask me. I think it is more safe to say Sequin is having a breakout year because he is playing with Benn. You can even look towards Loui Erikkson. He was a 70 point player in Dallas playing with Benn and is now on pace for maybe 45, maybe 60 if not for injuries.
quote:Originally posted by Guest4062The team Canada management are in a win or nothing situation. If they win gold, no one will ever question any of the choices. If they do not win gold, they will be criticized for ever for their choices. In my opinions the glaring ommisions were Thornton, Giroux, St. Louis, Lucic, Seabrook, Boyle. I would have dropped Hamhuis (this is shocking), Vlasic, Benn, Bergeron, Nash, and Carter.
quote:Originally posted by Guest2705why does everyone have Nash on there list, he's sucking this year, no way he makes the team
quote:Originally posted by ryan93There seems to be a lot of fan support for Brent Seabrook. He's been on virtually every fan projected roster I've read online, yet he's rarely included on the ones assembled by the "experts".
quote:Originally posted by Pasty7my team but this will not be the team,Price HardingBernierForget Luongo you have to go with the hot hand and those 3 are the best 3 Canadian Goalies this seasonWeaber-SubbanKeith-SeabrookBowmeester-PietralangeloDoughtyCrosby Stamkos NashToews Sharp TavaresGeztalf Perry E.StaalThornton Laad BennGirouxif i were makeing team Canada this is how they would line upHello, 911? It's an emergency, my teddy bear's been kidnapped! [pause] Hello? Hello?
quote:Originally posted by Guest4088I didn't realize hall won so many insignificant junior tournaments (insert sarcasm here). should alexander daigle be considered for the team then???Last I checked it was a mens tournament so you can check your junior stats at the door. Hall is not a winner at the pro level and yzerman will go with experienced wingers like stlouis, perry, nash, staal over hall.
quote:Originally posted by nuxfanquote:Originally posted by Guest4088The majority of other guys on the list are either Stanley cup winners (Crosby, Bergeron, toews, getzlaf, perry, staal, st Louis) or have gone on deep playoff runs(Giroux, stamkos, neal) or are much better players than hall (Tavares) or better rounded players (couture). I like the fact that Canada can field a team of very well rounded players, but one thing they don't have (or have not considered heavily) in abundance is the pure scoring winger. Currently, the only player that fits that bill is Perry. It would not hurt Canada to have another pure scoring winger, and Hall certainly is one. I'd like to see him make the team, the powerful centres on the team would benefit from someone with his skills to dish the puck to.
quote:Originally posted by Guest4088The majority of other guys on the list are either Stanley cup winners (Crosby, Bergeron, toews, getzlaf, perry, staal, st Louis) or have gone on deep playoff runs(Giroux, stamkos, neal) or are much better players than hall (Tavares) or better rounded players (couture).
quote:Originally posted by nuxfananother guy that surely must be getting a lot of attention as a bubble player - Tyler Seguin. He's been hugely successful in DAL, he and Benn have formed a very strong top line there. He's currently near PPG and is doing everything for them. The only knocks - he doesn't PK, and he's a centre that is not top-4 in the NHL at his position.
quote:Originally posted by Guest7839GentsCrosby toews bergeron stamkos getzlaf tavares staal thornton duschesne and couture are all centers. Crosby toews and bergeron (#1 faceoff man) are in. Who else do you take? Getztlaf? Stamkos? Tavares?Staal will llay wing like previous times. Can thornton duschesne and tavares play wing? They are top talent and could play anywhere. I would take these fuys over pairings like kunitz anydayCrosby tavares st louisToews duchesne marleauBergeron staal thorntonGetzlaf perry nashWeber. DoughtyKeith. PeitrangeloBoumeester. YandleSubbanSmith luongo price
quote:Originally posted by Guest6751Reserves: Neal, Bergeron.
quote:Originally posted by Guest7839Crosby tavares st louisToews duchesne marleauBergeron staal thorntonGetzlaf perry nashWeber. DoughtyKeith. PeitrangeloBoumeester. YandleSubbanSmith luongo price
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