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Corsair TX vs. OCZ ZT 550Wby Martin Kaffei on 3/26/2012 9:30 AM EST
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Stuka87 - Monday, March 26, 2012 - linkOn the last page where things are being highlighted, shouldn't the Corsair be highlighted for efficiency and ripple since it was ahead in these categories? Unless the yellow is just meant to show there is a difference. But it seams in the rest of the areas the better supply is highlighted.
Both supplies look pretty good though, even if priced a bit higher than some similar supplies. Reply
Martin Kaffei - Monday, March 26, 2012 - linkSounds more correct, right.
Thanks a lot. Reply
lyeoh - Monday, March 26, 2012 - linkHas Corsair really improved their quality since: http://www.behardware.com/articles/843-3/component...
FWIW, OCZ and Corsair's nonPSU stuff seem to get returned quite often too:
Both these PSUs might be OK, but why should I care? There are other manufacturers who have a better track record when it comes to quality. Poor quality in a range of similar models is understandable, but poor quality in different types/classes of products just tells me to avoid buying anything from them.
I'd prefer to see more reviews of products from manufacturers that care about quality. Who the heck wants to read reviews of food from restaurants that have a long track record of giving a significant percentage of their customers food poisoning? I don't care how good their food looks.
Are these even significantly cheaper? Reply
Samus - Tuesday, March 27, 2012 - linkMy advice to you is stop reading BEHardware.
Those statistics for every segment they 'measured' are a joke. Just drafting such a distasteful article is a huge lapse in journalism judgement on their part. Nobody in their right mind would gauge component reliability based on return rates over a 6-month period from a single source.
The only way to measure reliability is by reviewing the initial quality in detail and putting the components into real-world scenarios to report any abnormalities over time. AnandTech and other legitimate hardware review sites do this, as does Car & Driver, Consumer Reports, Home Theater Review, Gun Directory, etc Reply
seanleeforever - Tuesday, March 27, 2012 - linkwhile i agree with your point of view, but AnandTech rarely review abnormalities over time. and bear in mind AnandTech is more akin to C&D not CR because AnandTech receives cherry picked product directly from manufactures. and you really have to hope what you buy from your local frys is the same as the one they choose to send for reviewing. Reply
lyeoh - Thursday, March 29, 2012 - link6 month period? OCZ's poor track record goes way back longer than that: http://www.behardware.com/articles/831-7/component...
You haven't even provided a good reason why anyone should care about your opinion on this subject especially since you said "6 month period".
I'd believe BeHardware's article more than I'd believe you, especially since a few simple Google searches for product problems do not disagree with their statistics. So it's not just a freak incident where only the french retailer has higher rate of returns for OCZ and corsair stuff. Reply
fausto412 - Monday, March 26, 2012 - linkI have a 6990 and a n AX850 PSU...that psu gets super hot when gaming. Can't imagine a 550 watt psu not melting. I think the days of the 550 watt psu are over unless you only do single card gaming and don't use the highest end cards. Reply
Ken g6 - Monday, March 26, 2012 - linkDid you miss the GTX 680 review the other day? http://www.anandtech.com/show/5699/nvidia-geforce-... The 7970 would work fine with a 550W PSU too.
Also recall that the 6990 is effectively two cards in crossfire on a single board. Reply
Samus - Tuesday, March 27, 2012 - linkI run a GTX570, Core i7-950, 12GB RAM, 5 hard drives and some other shit off a PCP&C 500-watt PSU. Whole system is reasonably warm after hours of gaming and is completely stable.
Kill-A-Watt has never reported more than 400-watts drawn from the wall, so my 500-watt PSU never even hits 80% load.
Any never system with a single GPU draws less power, I guarantee it. 550-watt is overkill for most people with current technology. Remember most OEM systems still ship with 250-watt PSU's. Reply
Stuka87 - Monday, March 26, 2012 - linkI use a Antec NEO-ECO 520C with my over clocked 7950 and its perfectly fine. I never get anywhere close to even 400W at peak (And thats with a 4.1GHz Phenom II) when measured at the wall. The latest chips from AMD and nVidia are incredibly efficient. The 6990 is a pretty big power hog comparatively, and it is a dual GPU card. Reply
Rookierookie - Monday, March 26, 2012 - link>I think the days of the 550 watt psu are over unless you only do single card gaming and don't use the highest end cards.
That's like saying that the days of the graphics card is over unless you play games and turn on graphic features.
Other people do exist, you know. Reply
retrospooty - Monday, March 26, 2012 - link" I think the days of the 550 watt psu are over unless you only do single card gaming and don't use the highest end cards."
Off all gamers, PC gamers are the minority.
Of PC gamers, high end cards are the minority
Of high end cards, dual chip/SLI is the minority
You are talking about the minority, of a minority within a minority.
Of course this is a tech site and more of us here are likely to game on PC and have extreme setups and overclock to the highest possibility, but we are just a tiny fraction of the market. Reply
bji - Monday, March 26, 2012 - linkNot to dispute your point, but this is a PC component site so non-PC gamers are not reading these articles. Therefore your first categorization is irrelevant.
It is true though that high end cards are in the minority in PC gaming, and SLI a minority within the high end card market. So the fraction we're talking about is still small, just not as small within the audience of Anandtech articles as you described.
To try to stay on point: one of these power supplies comes with a feature that would prevent me from buying it, no matter what: the OCZ badge on the case. Reply
gamoniac - Monday, March 26, 2012 - linkMy OCZ Fatal1ty 550W's 4+4 pin was only 45cm, posing an issue reaching the farthest 12v ATX connector if I route it behind the motherboard (I had to get an extension). It looks like OCS has listened and increased the length to 60cm. Well done.
Corsair TX seems like a good choice, but I am not sure why they need to include two FDD connectors to clutter up the case, especially if it is not a modular PSU to begin with. Does anyone still have an FDD on their PC, let alone two? I got rid of my FDD a few years ago after collecting dust in my garage for a few years. Reply
HowQuaint - Monday, March 26, 2012 - linkCould you be more specific about the "magnetic amplifier" you specify in the OCZ unit? Wikipedia has an article about it but it doesn't seem to be a power supply technology. Since mag amps use a transformer-like device I'd guess it's a forward or flyback converter, which is more commonly used for the primary, high-voltage stage but it still works for low voltages. But saying that it "has no DC-DC converters inside" is inaccurate because any sort of secondary step-down qualifies as a DC-DC converter regardless of topology, and with cross-load numbers that low it definitely uses a secondary converter. Reply
Martin Kaffei - Monday, March 26, 2012 - linkWikipedia is probably not the best source for information like this. As you might see there are two chokes with a black core between the 5VSB and main transformer. Those are the chokes for regulation directly behind the windings. During saturation the voltage comes through. During the (let's call it) "high impedance mode" a part of the voltage pulse gets cut.
I didn't say there are no DC-to-DC converter. I know it is the most famous an easiest converter type. But in this case I'm talking about step down converter for 3.3V and 5V, who get current from 12V. Each output voltage has it's own regulation. Most common PSUs regulate 5V and 12V with the same IC which is bad for crossload regulation.
Hope this was understandable since English is just my second language. Reply
Leyawiin - Monday, March 26, 2012 - linkThe SeaSonic M12II 620 Bronze 620W is the exact same price as those two at Newegg and is a more robust and reliable power supply. I wouldn't touch one made by Great Wall or CWT when a superior SeaSonic built unit is available at that price, especially with a higher capacity. Reply
dubyadubya - Monday, March 26, 2012 - link+1 good catch I agree 100%. That Seasonic is a way better deal, Better quality, more power for the same price its a no brainer. I'd own a CWT PSU but its a step down from a Seasonic brand or built by Seasonic PSU for sure. Personally never seen a Great wall built PSU as far as I know. Reply
johan851 - Monday, March 26, 2012 - linkDefinitely. Pointing that out made me drop consideration for these - Seasonic makes a much better supply. Reply
TegiriNenashi - Monday, March 26, 2012 - linkObjective noise measurement is easy: there is free sound meter programs both for iPad and android. Reply
A5 - Tuesday, March 27, 2012 - linkI wouldn't really call an SPL Meter app coupled with a bad tablet/phone microphone "objective". To get true, repeatable SPL numbers, you need to have a special test setup like SPCR. Reply
MeanBruce - Monday, March 26, 2012 - linkAnd the Corsair even looks better. Ok ok we all love Corsair PSUs, so is it now standard protocol for the company/groups on the bottom to offer new technology first and the group on top of the market to offer the same technology LAST? Am I the only enthusiast wondering where the Corsair Platinum PSU line-up is hiding? Is the strategy to wait and see what all other groups produce, then go to the drawing board simply to one-up the competition and stay on top of the market? Reply
johan851 - Monday, March 26, 2012 - linkOne nice thing about not gluing down the fan connectors is that it's easy to replace that cheapo fan if/when it fails. :) Reply
jabber - Wednesday, March 28, 2012 - linkYeah I finally got round to replacing the horrendous fan in my Corsair TX750 MK1.
Sounded like a leaf blower after about 15 minutes of use. Dont quite know why it had to blow at 3000rpm all the while.
Swapped it out for a low start power 1700rpm fan and its been a lot better. Reply
Rick83 - Monday, March 26, 2012 - linkI'm not really convinced that you can measure efficiency anywhere near a hundredth of a percent, accuracy wise, never mind that at that scale the slightest of atmospheric changes, input voltage changes, inter-series variation will void those results instantly.
Especially using variations in those non-significant digits to mark advantages of one solution over another is a bit misleading. So unless you're absolutely convinced of those numbers, you should stick to values that you can reasonably expect to hold up under scrutiny.
Especially if your sample rates are 1, you should assume a certain variation, and ideally if over the course of testing you measure an average, also report the average std-dev.
Benchmarking is an engineering discipline! Reply
ssj3gohan - Wednesday, March 28, 2012 - linkWow, I never thought I'd meet somebody who I would agree with so much on this subject. Yes, measuring and properly representing your measurements is a key, key factor in benchmarking. Anandtech usually has their methods straight in other areas (although they consistently fail to include statistical parameters, really people, just because other sites don't show it doesn't mean you are allowed to omit them!) but power supplies are again (like I said in a lot of earlier PSU articles) their bastard child. Only results in table format, bad result representation in general, no methodology, no ambient conditions mentioned or tested against, very limited and unimaginative testing for that matter... it's like the exact opposite of, let's say, the SSD articles. As my go-to tech review site, this is extremely disappointing.
Of course, I'm totally biased for being a PSU designer myself. Reply
Chris Simmo - Monday, March 26, 2012 - linkI have been using GW PSU's for years (OE) and while they may not be quite as efficient as is stated here, they are incredibly reliable. We have used approximately 3000 PSU's in the PC building company we work for and had less than 20 fail over 4 years. The Corsair PSU's have been rubbish and we refuse to sell them. I have had customers bring us parts for assembly. Of 5 PSU's, 3 were DOA (TX750, TX850, AX850). I don't give a rats arse how efficient they are, they are not worth the money with this horrid a failure rate! Seasonic make awesome PSU's too, but they cost a pretty penny in comparison to the GW PSU's. Good on OCZ for picking a reliable company, not just for efficiency Reply
Beenthere - Monday, March 26, 2012 - linkBoth OCZ and Corsair have a sketchy history with PSUs in addition to other products. I would recommend buying a Seasonic or PC Power and Cooling PSU if people want performance and reliability. Reply
Holly - Tuesday, March 27, 2012 - linkPage 6, first sentence says "Corsair uses a 140mm fan from Yate Loon with a ball bearing." ... shouldn't it be "OCZ uses..." ?
And as for Seasonic PSUs... I have had 6 of those in my hands last year in time span of 6 months. Out of those 3 had to be replaced due to heavy instability (one caused frequent BSODs, one caused system restarts and one air fan was extremely loud) immediately, two other gradually caused high system temperatures and the last one simply didn't start up after about 2 months usage. They were calculated so the system wouldn't load them over 60% at peaks.
It might be just a bad luck or Seasonic commits low quality products in my country, but I would never recommend or buy them again. I have had variety of Corsair PSUs in my hands from CX, TX, HX, VX and AX line, had to replace only one CX 500W because of excessive fan loudness. Reply
Martin Kaffei - Tuesday, March 27, 2012 - linkYou have good eyesight. Fixed and thanks. Reply
C'DaleRider - Tuesday, March 27, 2012 - linkWhy do you persist in posting needlessly obtuse and difficult to decipher voltage regulation charts?
Instead of making me do the math....such as figuring out what the +3.3V rail is at +0.61%, why don't you instead simply post what the damned rail started at and drifted down to under loads, such as +3.4V, +3.35V, +3.3V, etc.
No...you have to try to be "different", and by being different you have become obtuse and difficult to decipher.
Simple is good, complex is needless and just silly. I'd suggest you look at the way JonnyGuru and HardOCP lists their voltage and ripple/noise charts to get an idea of what nice, clean, and simple presentations of the information can be instead of your almost useless charts.
When I read reviews, I don't want to be bothered with having to do the calculations in my head to figure out what you mean by a +1% of the +12V rail means. (I'm guessing it's +12.12V, right? That's not hard, but then you get to +0.62% or -0.24% and that becomes stupidly hard.)
Sometimes trying to be different isn't better, just silly. Reply
bobsmith1492 - Tuesday, March 27, 2012 - linkPercent change is a better metric especially comparing across different voltage rails. Everything electronic is specified in percentage tolerance. So percentage measured is the obvious choice.
1% of 12V is pretty easy if you want absolute values for some reason. 12x1.01. I suggest you go back to middle school. Reply
philipma1957 - Wednesday, March 28, 2012 - linkIt arrived yesterday. Newegg had it for 69 on shellshocker 20 rebate is 49 and a 15 dollar gift card my cost was 37 dollars due to sales tax. At 37 bucks it is a good deal. I think I will put in a better fan. I will look to see if I can get the sanyo denki fan that the author has picked out. I will also add a piece of insulation between the modular pcb and the main pcb.
Reading this info has inspired me to check on my 660watt seasonic psu as every once in a while the computer shuts down for 1 spilt second, it will not hurt to take a look. To me the biggest problem with the ocz in the review is the lake of input voltage regulation. This means a good ups/voltage regulator should supply the psu. I have that. I have some good thin insulation. So i will need to get a fan. well so far only 37 spent on this psu. I wonder what the sanyo fan costs. Reply
Beenthere - Wednesday, March 28, 2012 - linkThe Sanyo fan is $45.99... :( Reply
philipma1957 - Friday, March 30, 2012 - linkThanks for the fan price. Too much so I grabbed an antec true quiet 140mm fan for about 15.50 at amazon. Both parts arrived on the 29th. I tested it with the stock fan and the antec a lot quieter. So my 37 dollar bargain is now about 52 bucks. I have a lowcost Nxzt case and I was able to route the antec's fan switch behind and lower then the cpu on the other side of the case. Since the case has easy access to that side panel I can switch the fan to low setting if I choose. I also was able to attach the fan's power cord to the mobo So I can monitor its speed .
The unit appears well built and the solder work inside the case looked clean. I added a thin piece of rubber as suggested to prevent any arcing issues between the power jack pcb and the main pcb. I will get back to this with an update to let you know how well the unit holds up in daily use. I paid a total of 52-53 for this.
my 660 watt seasonic was 116. Still not sure if the seasonic has an issue or some other problem cause rare spilt second black outs every once in a while.
this ocz is going into my amd lower cost build. about (500)
while the seasonic is in my intel higher cost build. about (1k) Reply
philipma1957 - Monday, April 02, 2012 - linkAmd fx-4100
2 x 4gb patriot/amd 1333 ram
gigabyte 970 atx mobo
a crucial m4 128gb ssd
a coolermaster 212 evo
a sapphire hd6670 passive cooled gpu
The psu runs very quiet . the antec fan is much quieter the the stock fan. seems like a good buy. Reply
StrangerGuy - Monday, April 02, 2012 - link$90 for a 550W PSU? Are you kidding me? And it's ONLY 80+ Bronze. I got a Seasonic S12 520W for only $60.
I can see why there are so many players in the PSU market, all thanks to the enormous profits to the PSY FUD crowd who spouting nonsense like "400W isn't enough for the average gaming PC" brings. Reply
philipma1957 - Tuesday, April 03, 2012 - linkyou are corect it is not worth 90 bucks. but AR it is 70 at amazon. I paid 50 AR and I a got a 15 dollar gift card to boot. so it was 35 bucks. the fan was to loud and with the mod I did it was 52 bucks. it is worth 52 bucks. Reply
mikeymikec - Thursday, April 05, 2012 - linkConsidering how a desktop PC without a graphics card and a decent PSU can run virtually silent these days, I think more work could have been done in the audible noise from PSUs.
My first thought in how to achieve this would be to do a review of 12-14cm chassis fans, pick the most quiet one, then use that as a reference for PSU testing in future. Give an opinion on the noise level on each PSU reviewed like you've done here (because fans can emit extra irritating noises like a whine while still being quiet, but also compare it to that one, also possibly measuring the noise level and providing measurements of, say, +2dB (or whatever is considered the best method of measuring audible noise levels) above reference fan.
I've bought a lot of Corsair VX range PSUs and a few since the VX range was discontinued, and the TX ... M range are much noisier, as in, they're easily the highest noise producer in a modern system. At least with the VX range the noise level was approximate the same as the CPU and chassis fans in the system (without either of those being unusually decent fans, a stock CPU fan and a Coolermaster 12cm fan that comes with the Coolermaster cases I typically use). Reply
mikeymikec - Thursday, April 05, 2012 - linkFirst para: I meant, more work could have been done to measure/analyse/give a useful opinion on the audible noise from these PSUs. What I can take away from this review is "they produce some audible noise". Reply
mikeymikec - Thursday, April 05, 2012 - linkArgh, it really goes to show how much I rely on the 'edit' button... PROOF READ BEFORE POSTING! :) Reply


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ARM Aims at Intel, Cortex A15 Headed for Smartphones, Notebooks and Serversby Anand Lal Shimpi on 9/9/2010 12:01 AM EST
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Trisagion - Thursday, September 09, 2010 - link"The Cortex A15 will support a new instruction set which ARM is calling ARMv7-A."
The ARM v7 architecture has two 'profiles' - the ARMv7-A which is meant for regular application processors (like in smartphones) and the ARMv7-M which is for micro controllers (Cortex-M). ARMv7-A is not new. The extended address space and virtualization features are called extensions to the existing ARMv7-A profile. Reply
Anand Lal Shimpi - Thursday, September 09, 2010 - linkThanks for the correction!
Take care,
Anand Reply
Trisagion - Thursday, September 09, 2010 - linkSorry, I forgot to mention the third profile ARMv7-R for real time applications. Just FYI. Reply
JarredWalton - Thursday, September 09, 2010 - linkWonder if this will get the netbooks something more compelling than Atom with regards to HD video, plus better battery life? Looking at smartphones that last 8 hours on a 5.5Wh battery, that's about an order of magnitude better than Atom and still ~1/3 the performance. So give us the performance boost to beat Atom by 2X, and we'd still be looking at 14 hours battery life! One can only hope.... Reply
Trisagion - Thursday, September 09, 2010 - linkI still think this new processor will not be faster than an Atom, but I also think people will be more put off with the lack of Windows support rather than the performance gap, which depending on the number of cores etc, I'm guessing, will not be that great. Reply
B3an - Saturday, September 11, 2010 - linkFrom everything i know about these new ARM CPU's they will be faster than Atom. They need to be anyway, Atoms performance is pathetic at best.
No x86 will be a problem for servers but smartphones dont use x86, and many netbooks dont use windows, same with tablets. You'll probably get Chrome OS or Android 3.0 on these ARM A15 netbooks and tablets. Reply
mino - Thursday, September 09, 2010 - linkUm, in 2012 there is 28nm Ontario shrink and next-gen Atom.
While I would not dismiss 2012 ARM as competition for today's (2yr old!) Atom, 2012 is a completely different game ...
If everything goes well, they shall work well in iPads and thin clients and embedded devices of the time.
Outside that - no x86 = Windows = no PC market inroads. Unfortunately. Reply
mino - Thursday, September 09, 2010 - link= no Windows = Reply
LtGoonRush - Thursday, September 09, 2010 - linknVidia's Tegra 5 processors based on these cores should support execution of x86 code using Transmeta's Code Morphing technology that they licensed. Whether this will actually happen or if it will support running Windows on a Tegra 5-based netbook/notebook remains to be seen. Reply
Klinky1984 - Thursday, September 09, 2010 - linkWell there's a quick way to kill performance & battery life. Reply
Aikouka - Thursday, September 09, 2010 - linkMaybe they were jealous of the Itanium's obvious success with code translation ;). Reply
Trisagion - Thursday, September 09, 2010 - linkI'm guessing you're right. However, I think ARM is targeting the home / small server market with this new chip rather than the netbook / PC market. If quad core Cortex A15's can offer "reasonable" performance, then this idea will take off.
Power is a huge factor for servers and the Cortex A15's power consumption will be a lot less than an Intel server CPU and a whole lot cheaper.
Also, Windows is not that important for servers and Linux already has ARM support. Reply
FunBunny2 - Saturday, September 11, 2010 - linkLet's see: a server world where there's no-power ARM, no-power SSD, and really relational databases. You could run an application on a hamster-in-a-cage generator. Reply
Klinky1984 - Thursday, September 09, 2010 - linkWhile not having Windows might be an issue, I think some people might be interested in Android based Netbooks. I wonder how much performance a 2.5GHZ quadcore A15 would provide & how much power it would use. Reply
seanleeforever - Thursday, September 09, 2010 - linki for one, don't give a crap about andriod based netbooks. and i don't know many people who would.
simply, why do i want to carry a netbook sized device that does what smart phone does? ridiculous isn't it? netbook was able to take off due to the cheap price (ultra portables normally cost 1500+, netbook can be had for as little as 200 dollars). price and size are the key here.
a smart phone already cost 500+, but people are willing to pay it due to the portability. now, if you gonna put that in a notebook form factor, people's exception raises by a number of magnitude and running windows is one of the requirement. i fail to see the competitiveness of a ARM based netbook (smartbook, if you well), and i will take a ULV intel chip any day of the week giving the price point. Reply
yyrkoon - Saturday, September 11, 2010 - linkBattery life *will* be better, but not sure about the video aspect. There was a new OEM on youtube several months ago showing off just such a netbook ( ARM based ) that had a really cool, but funky modular feature. e.g. as I recall, the laptop screen could be removed from the normal flip-top configuration, and snapped back in so it was basically a tablet. Pretty neat stuff. The battery life was proclaimed to be something very good, like 8-10 hours, possibly a bit higher.
Anyways, ARM has always had very good power saving features when compared to the x86 architecture. This is why many serious embedded implementations have to give ARM a serious thought, But I do not mean just cellphones etc. Things like remote instrument readings, or even the Micron SSD that used two ARM9 cores for the drive controller ?
However, I think TI would probably have to embrace "the dark side", and figure out a way to get Microsoft to support their hardware on more than just Windows Mobile. Or perhaps TI does not care, and only hopes to capture a minuscule portion of the market ? Or perhaps Windows Mobile would be good enough for a netbook. That, I personally am not so sure of. Reply
descendency - Thursday, September 09, 2010 - linkHow much software (OS, programs, etc) actually runs on the ARM based chips?
I mean, a lot of people won't sniff an ARM based computer unless it can run Windows. Reply
metafor - Thursday, September 09, 2010 - linkAll phone software currently; which is appearing more and more like desktop software (with games and everything).
I'd guess by 2012 (and realistically, 2013 when actual devices will have this), Android, WP7 and iOS would have gotten to the point functionally that they can replace 99% of netbooks without the user noticing.
As for performance, I think people overestimate the performance of the current Atom. The biggest reason it outperforms current ARM devices is because it's paired with such a high-performance memory subsystem while typical ARM SoC's are using 32-bit, ~200MHz LP-DDR1.
Netbook-aiming ARM devices will almost certainly be paired with faster memory which should bring it in line with whatever Atom chip is out at the time. Reply
wintermute000 - Thursday, September 09, 2010 - linkin the consumer space, anything in android or IOS (the apple kind) for starters, meego, linux.....
In the server space, how about the gazillion linux servers and appliances out there?
I'd thought anandtech readers would be a bit more up to speed on things outside of MS land Reply
Rayb - Thursday, September 09, 2010 - linkI agree, also I don't want to take anything away from android but meego in mobile computing is showing a lot of potential. Reply
Computer Bottleneck - Thursday, September 09, 2010 - linkI have read that Ubuntu, Meego and Chrome OS can use ARM. Reply
Mjello - Thursday, September 09, 2010 - linkEven though codemorphing is possible with nvidias tegra.
I highly doubt that it'll run windows and all its software bug free. Even if the performance makes it theoretically possible.
I would love a new player in the x86 CPU market btw. Reply
Computer Bottleneck - Thursday, September 09, 2010 - linkI wonder how much ARM Cortex A15 netbook hardware would cost compared to smartphone hardware?
Wouldn't the netbook require far less in the way of parts? Reply
Adsski - Thursday, September 09, 2010 - linkI'm not so sure no x86 actually means no windows
Microsoft must be thinking of blurring the lines between desktop OS and Mobile OS in the future, windows phone 7 after all will run on ARM devices, and there will surely be a new mobile office suite to complement it on these smartphones.
Looking further ahead to Windows 8 and Windows phone 8, i'm betting we'll see Microsoft try and integrate your experience further.
Lets take office, office 2010 online in the cloud will sync with your desktop x86 version, and the ARM version in your phone seemlessly, allowing productivity wherever you are. Given how good of a Job apple has done on the iWork apps for iPad i dont think its too much of a stretch to imagine very close feature parity between all the different versions.
Taking it to its logical conclusion, I wouldn't be surprised if mobile office comes to Andriod, in the desktop space they support Mac, i wonder how long it will be before the install base for Android devices surpasses that number... Reply
chromatix - Thursday, September 09, 2010 - linkAs far as in-core performance goes, I believe a dual-core Atom presently matches a PowerPC G4 at the same clock speed - if, that is, software fully utilises the four threads on Atom, and the G4 is single-core. Indeed, G4s were (and are) actually available at the clock speeds presently reached by Atom, and are a lot easier to code effectively for.
Cortex-A9 roughly matches early G4s, which were dual-issue, in clock-for-clock and core-for-core performance. Later G4s used a triple-issue architecture which I hope that Eagle (that is, Cortex-A15) is aiming for. Given that dual-core is becoming normal for ARM as well as Atom, it would appear that they already beat Atom in terms of raw performance.
The only thing Atom has going for it is x86 compatibility. For open-source software this Does Not Matter. Reply
kanth - Thursday, September 09, 2010 - linkMay be its time now for Anand to explain in detail the differences between an ARM processor and an Intel processor for a novice.
What makes an Intel work well for a "big" computer and an ARM for "small" devices when both are being manufactured at 32nm?
How is ARM able to keep the battery drain low compared to Intel ?
Is it just that the Instructions sets are different or anything more in the hardware design.
And many more differences which only Anand can tell. Reply
justaviking - Thursday, September 09, 2010 - linkAn excellent suggestion. Reply
anactoraaron - Thursday, September 09, 2010 - linkI will third this idea, so as long as it doesn't delay news about the new Intel SSD's due to come out soon as the 25nm NAND ramps up... I am really wanting to see price/performance of the new x25-v and x25-m's. Reply
GullLars - Friday, September 10, 2010 - linkFourthed.
Also seconding priority on Intel G3 SSDs. Reply
Powerlurker - Friday, September 10, 2010 - linkMight also be a good idea to talk about MIPS and Power as well while you're at it. I'd also love to see an article that talks about SSD controllers and compares the different models on the market and how they affect the way an SSD performs. Reply
Shadowmaster625 - Thursday, September 09, 2010 - linkWhat you need to do is make your OS easily integrate with android, so that an SoC with an ARM core and an x86 core can use the ARM core when needed, with the X86 core asleep most of the time. For example, if I'm just surfing the web, what do I need an X86 core for? It should stay asleep until it receives a wake event such as pressing the winkey to bring up the Start menu. It's really not just for ARM vs X86. What happens when AMD integrates a 1Watt bobcat with a 25W bulldozer all in one core? Your OS has to be smart enough to allow system builders to make proper use of such awesomeness. Windows 7 would not know what to do with a bobcat/bulldozer combination. Reply
GullLars - Friday, September 10, 2010 - linkYou could also make a dual hetrogenous socket mobo.
For the AMD part, a dual socket mobo with a typical desktop AM3 processor combined with a bobcat CPU (also AM3 socket compatible?) could also give great power savings, with the desktop CPU in C2/3 state and power gated. You could literary run your desktop with all fans off in such a state, and having them spin back up when stuff requiring some work starts happening again. Reply
alxxx - Thursday, September 09, 2010 - linkFor what it can run , a majority of linux apps.
Currently ubuntu , debian and others have arm versions plus the lighter distributions like open embedded , mego etc run on arm.
The desktop type distros are still a bit slow on current chips(cortex A8)
For capabilities should hopefully be double to triple the power of the current A8 chips like
the AM3730 in current beagle board xm
Thats running a TI AM3730 sitara chip
chip docs
Arm sitara slides
Mixing ISA's in one os is not worth the complexity it would cause. Reply
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leviap - Friday, September 10, 2010 - linkOne very interesting feature:
Notice the error correction block that interfaces to main memory.
This should enable very small, reliable and power efficient servers to be implemented.
One things that (banks for example) implement in all their servers is ECC on main memory. There have been studies published that analyze recorded memory errors from these servers and they are mostly inconclusive. Basically, they don't know if the errors are generated from electrical problems in the servers or radiation or heat causing damage to the electronics. Again, this part looks really interesting for server applications.
Also: Isn't it great what ARM is doing? It is about time that the monopolistic lock that Intel has on CPUs is broken. Now an ARM licensee can compete with Intel. We will end up with a much larger ecosystem of parts where the CPU has become a commodity. Reply
letsgiveatry - Wednesday, December 08, 2010 - linkIf i am not mistaken there is windows8 support coming on ARM around 2012/13 time frame
So this might be processor on which the windows might run and then go after notebook/net-book or whatever you might want to call them
basically there is a need for high performing but less power hungry processor and ARM can possibly do that with experience and don't forget they can cash on their name around that time when there will be many devices running ARM already for those devices Reply

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Florida QB Brissett transfers to N.C. State
Published: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 at 6:01 a.m.
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RALEIGH, N.C. — Quarterback Jacoby Brissett is transferring to North Carolina State from Florida.
N.C. State announced the addition of Brissett on Thursday and says he will sit out this season and have two years of eligibility beginning in 2014.
New Wolfpack coach Dave Doeren says he recruited Brissett when he was on the Wisconsin staff and "thinks the world of him as a competitor."
Brissett made three starts and played in 13 games during two seasons with the Gators but was behind Jeff Driskel on the depth chart. He was 23 of 35 for 249 yards and a touchdown in 2012.
N.C. State says Brissett has enrolled for the spring semester and will take part in spring practice.
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Motorola Droid RAZR Review - A Better Clad Bionicby Brian Klug on 12/16/2011 2:01 AM EST
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Devo2007 - Friday, December 16, 2011 - link
Anyhow, Android 2.3.5 on the RAZR is almost identical to the software and Blur skin we saw running on the Droid Bionic. That is to say, both come with Motorola's not-Blur motoblur skin replete with resizable widgets....../quote]Reply
Can we all just agree that the software skin Motorola uses is called Blur, and stop with this "not-Blur" nonsense? I know Motorola wants to claim it's not Blur, but obviously by the version number info, it is. Several tech sites are doing it, and it's getting ridiculous now.
Brian Klug - Friday, December 16, 2011 - linkMotorola a few times made specific note that their skin isn't called Blur, even though in build.prop and relevant places, it's called "Blur." I guess it all just boils down to semantics. :)
-Brian Reply
yas69 - Friday, December 16, 2011 - linkS2 benchmark values are different with November/December stock firmware.
I get 1130 on vellamo with recent S2 firmware. Sunspide/Browsermark values are better than also higher than Razr. Reply
Brian Klug - Saturday, December 17, 2011 - linkWhat ROM and browser are you tesing in? I can't get any higher than what's in the article on our UK SGS2 with the latest ROM from Kies.
-Brian Reply
yas69 - Sunday, December 18, 2011 - linkI9100XWKK2 / I9100XWKL1 both perform better than previous versions. Reply
yas69 - Monday, December 19, 2011 - linksorry.
Vellamo = 1161
sunspider = 1980
browsermark = 78014 Reply
lemmo - Friday, December 16, 2011 - linkThanks for the review, but do you have any more info on audio quality in terms of music playback? You are saying that it is an improvement over the Bionic but how does it compare to other phones like SGS2 and iPhone?
Your detailed review of audio quality on the SGS2 was really helpful and I thought you were going to include this testing methodology on all smartphone reviews from now on...? Reply
kishorshack - Friday, December 16, 2011 - linkEven i expect the same thing brian klug it would be awesome if you update this review someday :) Reply
Brian Klug - Saturday, December 17, 2011 - linkWe're definitely going to do some more in-depth audio testing, it's something new to me but we've finally got the hardware and methodology, just have to interpret results. I did link to the RMAA runs from here for your own perusal, which we're going to talk a bit more about in the Galaxy Nexus piece.
-Brian Reply
lemmo - Saturday, December 17, 2011 - linkThanks Brian that's great news :)
As I asked in my comment below, will you do a comparative audio test with other phones when you do the Nexus review? The test results for just the phone you're testing don't mean much unless we know how they compare. Cheers Reply
mfenn - Friday, December 16, 2011 - linkDunno how many times I have to say this, but etc. is short for "et cetera". Putting more than one period in it is just plain wrong. Reply
jordanclock - Sunday, December 18, 2011 - linkActually, when finishing a sentence with etc. it is correct to put a second period afterward, as the first one is to indicate an abbreviation and the second is to indicate the end of the sentence. It is acceptable to use just one period, but it is not incorrect to use two. Reply
BabelHuber - Friday, December 16, 2011 - linkA question to the Anandtech guys:
Why don't you ever lose a word about rSAp (remote SIM Access Profile)?
I regularily use my phones in my car, where I want to use the built-in antenna when connecting my phone via bluetooth.
Connecting via Handsfree is really a PITA: The speech quality is bad and the phone's battery is stressed.
Hence for three years now I use rSAP, first in my Audi A5 and now in my BMW 5er (via the Snap-in adapter SAP from BMW).
I still have my good old Nokia X6, this one does rSAp very well. Android, OTOH, does not support rSAP (neither does iOS), but AFAIK e.g. Samsung added rSAP-capabilities to the Galaxy line.
I know that testing rSAP is not easy because of the different systems the various Auto makers use, but it would even be interresting if you could test it at least a little bit (e.g. checking if the Adress Book synchronization works or if one has to use the SIM card itself).
A phone without rSAP is useless for me, but perhaps I am part of a small minority, who knows.
Have you had any thoughts on rSAP? Reply
Conficio - Friday, December 16, 2011 - linkWhere are you located? I have not heard about that tech.
But sounds very interesting. Especially as there is a big debate going on in the US about driving and using the phone. Reply
BabelHuber - Friday, December 16, 2011 - linkI'm located in Germany, but I would think that rSAP is a global tech.
It supported by VW/ Audi, Mercedes and BMW. For BMW, you need the 'Snap-in-adapter SAP', though.
With rSAP, the phone is put to standby-mode, since the phone itself is in the car. The car gets the SIM-card-information via bluetooth and also reads the address book, then you use its built-in phone.
It's a cool technology, the speech quality is very good, since the antenna of the car is used. Also there is almost no drag on the phone's battery, since it doesn't do anything at all.
The downside is that you cannot stream music from your phone to the car's stereo, you also can't use E-Mail with rSAP.
For me this is OK, though, I don't want to receive mails while driving and the car's stereo is fed by a USB-harddisk attached to it. Reply
introiboad - Tuesday, December 20, 2011 - linkThere is no technical reason for you not to be able to stream music even when using RSAP. They are 2 different profiles, RSAP and A2DP, and should be able to run in parallel. It's a limitation imposed by the car manufacturer, not by the spec. Reply
JonnyDough - Saturday, December 17, 2011 - linkIts not really a debate. Using a cell while driving should be illegal. When you're operating a vehicle that can take someone's life in a 30mph crash then your eyes, hands, and mind should be focused on the task of driving. I learned that in driver's ed and I believe its still part of the test to get a driver's license. Driving is a privilege and so many of the younger generations today have such a sense of entitlement.. Reply
cheetahfox - Saturday, December 17, 2011 - linkAs someone who was nearly killed because the person that hit my car was changing the radio station; there will always be distractions in a car. If you feel that Cell phones should be illegal then you should also ban all radio's, gps, cd-players and ipods. Further you should also make all cars have a single seat. We can't let someone talking to you distract you. You should also have some way to measure if a car is being driven by someone that is sleepy. It's been shown over and over again the lack of sleep is worse that drunk driving. I propose a mandatory system of cameras that monitor the driver of a car and if they detect that the person in question is sleepy and not attentive enough that they slowly cut power to the car and force them to pull over for a 30 min nap.
I am taking it to an extreme but if we should ban cell phones, we should really ban many other things. Things that we would never ban, like more than one person in a car. The problem isn't the device, it's the person using it. If the person driving is a distracted driver(for whatever reason) and they cause an accident it should be handled with existing laws. Reply
introiboad - Tuesday, December 20, 2011 - linkRemote SIM access profile is part of the Bluetooth Specification, it's just one of the profiles defined by the Bluetooth SIG. Unfortunately, RSAP never took off in the same way that HFP (Handsfree Profile) which is the profile that nearly every other phone available uses when connecting to a car.
One of the reasons may be that RSAP requires the car to come bundled with a GSM baseband/radio since it only obtains the SIM info from the phone and then uses it to place calls using its own. On the other hand HFP simply instructs the phone to place the call using the phone's own GSM radio and then transfers the sound to the car. So it's clearly cheaper to include in a car since the car manufacturer doesn't need to include a Bluetooth _and_ a GSM radio. Reply
introiboad - Tuesday, December 20, 2011 - linkAs far as I know, only Symbian and Bada phones implement RSAP. Reply
ananduser - Friday, December 16, 2011 - linkMuch better than the one on The Verge. Reply
GrizzledYoungMan - Friday, December 16, 2011 - linkAs usual, the reviews of wireless devices here kick ass. I'm not really interested in this phone - the wide bezel around the screen and the motoblur really bugged me - but it is a treat to read something about it that amounts to more than "how is this not like an iphone?"
Looking forward to the Galaxy Nexus review, even though I'll likely already own it by the time your review is published. On principle, I can't bring myself to buy any phone loaded down with skins and bloatware, so there's only really one Android phone choice for me.
Maybe I'm just surly this morning, but Motorola's latest industrial design language really isn't doing it for me. It has this Tron Legacy-esque cheesy vibe to it that is going to age quickly and poorly, I think. By comparison, it seems like Samsung and Nokia are on the right track, focusing on designs that are respectively helpful and pragmatic, and personal and pleasurable to use.
Apple has been disappointing lately on design. The iPhone 4S body still looks great, but their software is getting more decorated and literal with every revision. I like a lot of things about the 4S - especially the camera - but the software was a huge disappointment. Reply
zeagus - Friday, December 16, 2011 - linkKeep in mind the Galaxy Nexus is suffering some controversy vs. the "Pure Google" GSM version by having had VZW remove Google Wallet from it and adding My Verizon Mobile and Backup Assistant.. Reply
medi01 - Friday, December 16, 2011 - linkWhy do mentioned manufacturers: Appl,Motorol,Noki need battery "tradeoffs" due to slimness and lightness, while Samsung doesn't? Hard to follow on this one. Reply
JasonInofuentes - Friday, December 16, 2011 - linkSamsung makes an entirely different trade off, plastics. Sammy has perfected thin, hard plastics in their pursuit of slim, lightweight phones. The cost is feel. The RAZR feels as expensive as it is, the Samsung phones feel like shiny, low cost plastic. That said, using light plastics hasn't stopped Samsung from producing attractive designs, and though the plastics can scuff easily they are otherwise quite durable. Reply
TedG - Friday, December 16, 2011 - linkI got sick of waiting for the Nexis (or iphone 5) and purchased the Razr about a month ago upgrading from the Droid X. In real life use it is pretty nice. It is quick responding and well built. The camera to me is just OK. I got a widget that turns the 4g off most of the time extending the battery life dramatically. Overall I really like this phone. Reply
loribeth - Tuesday, December 27, 2011 - linkI wonder if I turn off my 4G, my hot spot would stay connected? Reply
geniekid - Friday, December 16, 2011 - linkTwo things.
1) I second lemmo's request for an audio quality section like the one for the GS2 review. That particular review revealed some nasty things about interference and a poor codec that completely turned me off to the GS2.
2) I completely agree about the importance of battery life. It's really the only complaint I have about my 1.5 year old Incredible running Cyanogen. Give me the same phone with 2x the battery life and I'd gladly take it over anything else in the market right now. Reply
lemmo - Saturday, December 17, 2011 - linkThanks geniekid, yep I reckon audio testing will be a real diferentiating factor for Anandtech, as no other sites do it... similar to Anand's battery testing methodology which set the reviews aside from all the rest.
Maybe they will do a comparative audio test with other phones when they do the Nexus review...? Reply
ecuador - Friday, December 16, 2011 - linkAfter so many Android reviews I am still waiting for Anandtech to review the only phone & OS I have tried that seems to me clearly better than iOS. I am talking about the Nokia N9 with MeeGo which blew me away so much when I tried it I bought it immediately despite the somewhat steep price. Am I alone to being unimpressed by most Android phones? Reply
kishorshack - Friday, December 16, 2011 - linkThat is an awesome phone, a request from all of us
Do review it. The interesting part here would be running ICS on it :D Reply
dj christian - Thursday, December 22, 2011 - linkHope you were ironic. Well i've read alot of N9 reviews already but it would be nice if Anand would do one, just part from the usual Android and iOS sphere of lately. Reply
Araemo - Friday, December 16, 2011 - linkYou mention you tested wifi hotspot with encryption off on this phone.. is that possibly why it bested the droid bionic's wifi hotspot battery life by so much? AES encryption could be a not-insignificant amount of the power draw when operating a secured wifi hotspot. Reply
IKeelU - Friday, December 16, 2011 - linkI think the phone would be way nicer without an edge that sticks out. It makes it look dated already, but there's probably a structural reason to have it there (or something).
Also wtf is Apple doing to make 3g browsing last so damn long?! Reply
PeteH - Sunday, December 18, 2011 - linkIt must have something to do with that giant A5, because the iPhone 4 doesn't have nearly the same benefit. Reply
mr_thomas - Friday, December 16, 2011 - linkIf you are going to put in iPhone comparisons in the benchmarks, etc., please do it across the board. It isn't helpful to see it in only a few places. Reply
introiboad - Tuesday, December 20, 2011 - linkI think they avoid it in browser benchmarks because Gingerbread doesn't support multithreaded rendering, and the comparison would be unfair. Don't take my word for it though. Reply
doobydoo - Tuesday, January 17, 2012 - linkThere are only certain benchmarks which can be carried out on both Android and iOS, and on particular handsets. Everywhere where the benchmark could be carried out, they included it, which is as informative as they can be. Reply
RavnosCC - Friday, December 16, 2011 - linkWhere's the comparison? HTC's Rezound has arguably much better hardware than the RAZR, and yet it's left out :( Reply
Plester - Friday, December 16, 2011 - linkI find the really big bezel and angled corners results in a down right odd and ugly looking phone, but taste is subjective... Reply
jjj - Friday, December 16, 2011 - linkIt's not like you can buy any ICS devices yet ( the lack of SD on the Galaxy Nexus makes it a phone i wouldn't used if they payed me).The sad part is that it's not Krait or at least Tegra 3.
As for when they'll get iCS and further updates,we'll see but it's doubtfull that any other manufacturer will be able to have faster updates that Googlerola. Reply
zelachang - Friday, December 16, 2011 - linkHow frequently do people really change out their SD cards? I have an OG Droid with 16 GB SD card from 2009 and I still haven't used up half the space. I wouldn't even consider multiple SD cards because I lose enough SD cards for my cameras, microSD cards would just fall in the couch or get eaten by my cats or something. When I first got my phone I thought I would end up swapping out cards a lot but for some reason I've never found a reason to. Reply
doobydoo - Tuesday, January 17, 2012 - linkExactly, and even if you do run out of space you can simply plug it into a PC for 10 seconds, save all the documents, and continue.
Or you could use Dropbox (on Android) or iCloud (on iOS) to completely negate the need for multiple SD cards unless you have unusual requirements. Reply
Cali3350 - Friday, December 16, 2011 - linkI love your reviews, and I appreciate how in depth you guys go, but your reviews are getting increasingly more and more late and as a result less and less useful. This phone is over a month old at this point.
I would love to see a Nexus review, but am assuming that cant occur until after Christmas, and that is not that helpful. Reply
jeremyshaw - Saturday, December 17, 2011 - linkQuality. Anandtech beats all known in depth and thoroughness. Reply
doobydoo - Tuesday, January 17, 2012 - linkI actually agree with Cali3350, there is a point at which the quality becomes redundant if the phone was released so long ago. When a new phone is released, people don't want to wait over a month for a review, however high the quality - the most sales of any handset happen within that first month.
I noticed the same thing happened with the iPhone 4S review, and made a comment to that effect at the time.
Quality is clearly excellent here, and this is definitely the best tech site - but by the time the reviews come out the article has already lost much of its value. Reply
TrackSmart - Friday, December 16, 2011 - linkThe Droid Charge review says the phone loses charge, even when plugged in, if using it as a hotspot. Same for navigating. This is a serious concern for me, especially when on-the-road.
Are any of these LTE phones able to stay charged (when plugged in) while actively navigating or being used as a hotspot? I'm hoping you guys can weigh in.
I don't mind plugging in, while driving, but if I'm still going to have the phone die before my destination - that's bad news... Same regarding tethering over USB. Reply
secretmanofagent - Friday, December 16, 2011 - linkI had the Bionic (swapped it out with a RAZR with all the data issues I was having), and I didn't have issues like I did with the original Droid. The original Droid would overheat and stop charging. I didn't have drain issues with the Bionic, haven't tried the RAZR yet. Reply
Brian Klug - Saturday, December 17, 2011 - linkThe RAZR hasn't done the discharge-while-plugged-in dance the same as a bunch of other LTE phones. Navigation and hotspot use is fine on it, it'll charge while doing those activities if you use a charger that implements charging spec properly and has enough current.
-Brian Reply
TrackSmart - Saturday, December 17, 2011 - linkThank you for the reply! This is comforting to hear. The Droid Charge article on Anandtech mentioned this problem and Engadget reported similarly on the Verizon version of the Galxy Nexus. That had me worried that this would be a more widespread problem. Reply
secretmanofagent - Friday, December 16, 2011 - linkBrian, have you seen any data connectivity issues that plague the Droid Bionic on the RAZR? It was something Verizon confirmed was a known issue (there was a patch released yesterday but don't know if that addressed that issue) and was happening to me quite frequently. I managed to move from the Bionic to the RAZR because of Verizon, and I've seen some hiccups that looked similar to the Bionic issue (it's the same LTE and CDMA baseband). Reply
flyfishin69 - Sunday, December 18, 2011 - linkI to am an (almost) former owner of the Bionic. The phone will loose all cellular data after coming in contact with 4g and trying to negotiate back to 3g. And especially in the Hagerstown Md. Area where verizon has no 3g service only 4. I would always find the bionic lifeless. I spoke with a verizon rep and he is sending my Razr tomm. Are we seeing these same problems in the Razr? Reply
Nfarce - Sunday, December 18, 2011 - linkHmmm. I have had the Bionic for three months, since it first came out, and never had a single issue. Here in the greater metro Atlanta area I go between 4G and 3G all the time depending on how far outside the city. I have roamed all over the Southeast while driving and never had a problem either.
Sounds to me like you just got a lemon. Reply
secretmanofagent - Monday, December 19, 2011 - linkNope, they weren't lemons. Check out Verizon's update:
Big one is "Improved stability of data connections on 3G and 4G". Worst part for those who still have it: Verizon says it will "help alleviate" the problem.
You're only one of three people that I know of who have said they weren't affected, out of about 10-15. Consider yourself lucky. Reply
Nfarce - Tuesday, December 20, 2011 - linkYes I guess I was lucky. I actually had no idea this update was even coming until trying to make a call Thursday evening last week. About the only gripe I had of the phone was the crappy autofocus problem. It seems to be a lot better now. I surmise the 3G/4G issue depended at least to some extent what region of the nation you lived in. Two co-workers have the phone (one got a RAZR and gave the Bionic to his wife) and neither reported problems either. Reply
secretmanofagent - Monday, December 19, 2011 - linkI've seen a couple times like what I had seen with the Bionic, but only momentary losses. Reply
loribeth - Tuesday, December 27, 2011 - linkBoth 4G and 3G data drops for me. I live 30 miles north of Indy, which is 3G, but work in 4G territory. The upgrade has not helped and only created other buggy issues. Reply
LoneWolf15 - Friday, December 16, 2011 - linkI just did a lot of research before picking up a phone this week. The RAZR was among the half a dozen smartphones I considered --until I picked it up.
I have relatively large hands with long fingers, and the phone is STILL too wide to comfortably hold in the hand. It's actually wider than the Droid Bionic (which I did purchase), and its relative thin-ness makes it less comfortable in the hand rather than more. Making a slightly thicker phone, and using that extra thickness to increase battery size would have actually made it more comfortable.
Of course, that would make the phone a Droid Bionic. Which is now $100 cheaper due to the RAZR coming out, so you can save $100 and get a phone that's every bit as capable, with more battery options. They also released a major update to the Bionic this week that squashed a ton of bugs.
At the $299 price, I'd probably look at the Galaxy Nexus or the HTC Rezound --not the RAZR. The Bionic is a much better value if you want a Motorola phone. So far, I'm happy with mine. Reply
Nfarce - Sunday, December 18, 2011 - linkYep, I like the feel of the Bionic more than the RAZR. I got the thin rubber-like enclosing protective case and it helps even more on the grip. My friend's RAZR feels too fragile and I'd definitely be more worried about dropping it. Thinner isn't always better to some of us.
I would have waited for a price drop on the Bionic, but since my older Droid died and I was going month to month without a contract, I had to buy a new phone like yesterday, and in September, the Bionic was the best. Verizon threw in $70 worth of free accessories for me at the full $299 purchase price, so that eased the pain a little (case, car charger, screen protector). Reply
JonnyDough - Saturday, December 17, 2011 - link"Thankfully holding volume down and power/lock for 10 seconds reboots the device even when the device is totally unresponsive (which I did in fact encounter once)."
Something I often encountered on my original DROID and also on my Thunderbolt 4G LTE. I'm honestly a bit sick of the issues with Android. You would think they would fix them. My phone has been known to do some really quirky stuff. From calling people on contact lists from that others who share a phone plan with me have on THEIR phones (the people my phone called are NOT on my phone!), to random reboots, SMS's not sending, and the 3G/4G service acting dodgy, even though I may not leave the house for awhile. Those are just a few of the issues I have suffered through over the last 2 years. Reply
JonnyDough - Saturday, December 17, 2011 - linkI should probably mention too that when I got my phone (through Verizon) that I had mobile hotspot, it was one of the reasons I got the phone. Of course, a month later they had made it pay-to-use and blocked me from it with an update. Its kind of like the whole ISP industry putting caps on it because they quote "can't afford" to not do it. Laugh. ArsTechnica had a whole article on that. Its a really good read. Reply
loribeth - Tuesday, December 27, 2011 - linkDon't worry, the hot spot connection is a known Razor issue, or at least that is what I have read doing a Google search. I just dropped my hot spot, today. I also got a refund of al charges since my purchase. It will connect, but will immediately disconnect. Reply
Shinobi_III - Saturday, December 17, 2011 - linkThe razr screen might look bad under a microscope, but compared with the SGS2, the colours are so much better, and no banding at all.
The SGS2 with it's supposedly better layout, looks like sh*t next to a razr in the real world displaying photos or even most games that happen to have a color fade. Reply
anandtech pirate - Sunday, December 18, 2011 - linkIt's a bit odd to see the Epic Touch getting better battery life with Wimax than with 3G. Could this be related to a bad Sprint signal at your test location? Sprint 3G data speeds have been terrible in many locations for the past 6 months. Reply
victorjr - Sunday, December 18, 2011 - linkThis is what should be called Review! "Reviews" done by other sites are a joke. We can decide with much more success. We can read facts and not only biased opinions. Anandtech is the place I have been for years. This will continue. Cant wait to the Galaxy Nexus review. Reply
iSayuSay - Sunday, December 18, 2011 - linkI don't want to start another flame because I actually feel this Razr is a damn fine phone (apart from it's not bundled with ICS yet), but truly .. Apple just did it again.
Some hi-end Android now start to use a user un-effin-replacable battery in pursue of thinness and the ability of using hi grade material..
Adobe start to drop future support on Mobile Flash plugin.
Some Android now bundled with software or apps which basically iTunes wannabe with all syncing, copying, and not-so-free device managing, something most people bash on iPod and iPhones?
And I'm sure more and more Android handset going to adapt microSIM on their phone. Just like this phone.
Long story short, somehow .. smartphone trend start to follow something that most people hate .. the iPhone Reply
lexluthermiester - Sunday, December 18, 2011 - linkHad to deal with two iPhones with batteries that stopped holding a charge and a few friends have had to deal with similar problems with their iPads. Sealing the battery inside gives the manufacturer an opportunity cut corners in the battery department. Totally unacceptable. Reply
doobydoo - Tuesday, January 17, 2012 - linkThankfully you're in a tiny minority. And you can get dodgy batteries whether it's removable or not. Reply
georgekn3mp - Monday, December 19, 2011 - linkI have had the HTC ReZound for a month now, and did not like the width and height of the Razr (or the screen compared to true HD 720p on the ReZound) and hope to see a Galaxy nexus review soon even if Anad never publishes one for the ReZound. I researched all 3 before buying the ReZound and found it was best for my needs and wants for a halo phone.
Even if the SunSpider and Vellamo tests on GNex beat the ReZound..I am not switching. I love my first smartphone...with a non-Pentile HD 720p display, dual-core at 1.5ghz, a better 8MP camera with f2.2 lens and not as big a bezel. I like the phone dimensions on Rezound better anyway...I can swipe my thumbs all the way across holding it one-handed and can't on GNex.
So the only thing GNex has that ReZound does not is Android 4.0 (and that will happen eventually). So NFC is crippled anyway without the Google Wallet. Heh, all that waiting for a GNex which is already sporting outdated hardware....I bet both the Razr and ReZound beat it when they get Ice Cream Sandwich...just have to wait long enough. Reply
Rowlf - Monday, December 19, 2011 - linkI just came back from the verizon store in an attempt to escape apple hell. I so desperately wanted the RAZR or galaxy nexus to be a replacement for my old iphone. The razr and nexus seemed to be choking on this review or anywhere on anandtech. Scrolling was not smooth and the nexus even crashed once. I tried the newest iphone just for kicks and it had no problems. Was it the demo floor model?
Also the nexus seemed to be half as bright as my old phone. Yes I made sure brightness was as maximum and auto brightness was off. Was it the demo model?
Do I need to go to a different verizon store? Is that as good as it gets at this time and I should be looking or waiting for something else? Reply
sjprg2 - Monday, December 19, 2011 - linkBIG DEFICIENCY!!!
The hands free bluetooth implementation is broken in the sense that it no longer announces whom the caller is. Every previous Motorola phone I have owned tells me who is calling.
Califorina has a handsfree cellphone law and it is very important that I know whom is calling before I answer in the car in freeway traffic. Business calls I may answer, personal calls can wait. This is a deal breaker! I'm stuck with this until they fix it but I am damed unhappy and if I had known I would not have purchased it. It is more of a toy then a useful phone, granted an atractive toy, but still a toy.
Does the Apple 4S bluetooth work?
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QQBoss - Tuesday, December 20, 2011 - linkI am living in China, and trying to purchase the 4G version of the Razr (unlocked, of course, or at least unlockable). The Chinese version is the XT912, and does not have 4G support (which makes sense, since China doesn't have a 4G network yet). I travel back to the USA periodically, so having 4G for when I am not in China is worth something to me. I have heard said that the non-USA versions of the Razr might have 4G locked off, so this worries me.
I found an XT910 brought in by grey market here, but I noticed some things that seem off: 1) it only says Razr, not Droid Razr (so it is probably not the USA version of the phone, I think it was from Singapore) 2) No documentation indicates whether or not it supports 4G, and it doesn't ship with anything other than a basic charger (if there was an external 16 GB microSDHC, it was removed by the seller) 3) Under the different networks supported in the menus, I find one that says "other" with no explanation (could be 4G, but since China networks don't recognize it, it doesn't register?).
I don't care about the lack of the SDHC, I will get a 32 GB class 10 anyway, and chargers are cheap here, but spending roughly US$500 and not getting the actual phone I want seems like a bad option- there are no refunds for grey market. Unfortunately, I didn't write down the baseband ID number. Anyone have a guess? Reply
introiboad - Tuesday, December 20, 2011 - linkWorth mentioning that the RAZR is the second (after the 4S) phone to include support for BLE. Instead of waiting for Google to get their act together and add a standard API to Android, Moto has bundled its own stack (provided by a third party) along with a set of APIs.
This makes for very interesting applications such as key fobs, hear rate monitors and many others. Reply
dj christian - Thursday, December 22, 2011 - linkWhat is BLE? Reply
doobydoo - Tuesday, January 17, 2012 - linkIt says what it means in his post title, 'Bluetooth Low Energy' - basically it's Bluetooth 4.0.
http://www.bluetooth.com/Pages/Bluetooth-Smart-Dev... Reply


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