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Gateway P-6831 FX: Best Midrange Gaming Notebook Everby Jarred Walton on 3/28/2008 6:00 AM EST
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deshiboy - Monday, January 25, 2010 - linkI use the FX for school and my Sager 8690 for gaming. Sager looks plain but preforms likes a desktop, I wish they did a better job on the battery life. But thats where my FX comes in to save the day. Reply
atlmann10 - Tuesday, August 05, 2008 - linkGateways doing the same thing with the next on this line except its centrino 2/core2duo with ddr3 and a 9800 GTI for 1449 frickin awesome these will be hard to come by after the last one (the one in this review) Reply
atlmann10 - Tuesday, August 05, 2008 - linkoh with a 7200 rpm Hard drive and wireless N oh did I mention ddr3 can you say lower power better performance Reply
xeryx - Thursday, June 05, 2008 - linkObviously Gateway and Best Buy has decided to blow away the competition with this notebook!!
I have been laptop Gaming for years, because my job keeps me on the road alot. It is a great way to pass the time away from family, and stay out of trouble.
I currently own a Sager 17" laptop with the 7800m 2gb, and a 80gb hd. When I bought it new it was $2200.
As a comparison to the Gateway, (Best Buy version)get an almost equivalent system from Sager, your looking at $2200. In all fairness, that is the 8800gtx ($395) and a 2.1 ghz (t8100) with no option of a second HD, let alone Raid 0. It also has the fingerprint scanner.
To me the 2nd hd (even though 5400) is very important, let alone the potential for raid 0. I find that laptop HD performance is not very good overall, and can cause delays when gaming.
Screen resolution, I have been gaming at 1680x1050 and in all honesty, it is too high for a 17" screen. Especially in the desktop. 1920 is way too high for a 17" screen, unless you have SLI8800m's. That is a completely different bracket.
In my opinion they did an excellent job in trading off, and adding in some very key features. SO you basically save $1000.00 for a little bit less performance than a 8800 GTX machine. The key here though is at @ $1200, not $2000 you get a machine that will be able to handle just about anything you can through at it (Crysis doesn't count).
If you are thinking about getting a laptop, for gaming...this is the absolute best smoking deal you can find!! Reply
Rekonn - Friday, April 11, 2008 - linkAnybody have an update on when the P-6860fx will be out? Reply
Rekonn - Friday, April 11, 2008 - linkFound answer today on Yahoo finance:
The Gateway P-6860FX comes with Windows Vista Home Premium 64-bit Edition with SP1 and will be available beginning this weekend at Best Buy with a manufacturer's suggested retail price of $1,349.99. It comes with NVIDIA® GeForce™ 8800M GTS 512MB GDDR3, an Intel Core 2 Duo T5450 processor, 3072MB of DDR2 SDRAM and a 250GB(1) 5400RPM SATA hard drive. This system also comes with a multi-format dual layer DVD-R/RW/DVD-RAM drive with LabelFlash technology(2) for burning images and text onto a DVD or CD. Reply
teknomedic - Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - linkI've returned both my P-6831s because of the P-6860FX... the above post is a bit wrong about the specs... here's what I know:
Gateway P-6860 FX
Basically the same as the P-6831 with a few nice upgrades:
Proc = T5550 @ 1.83-1.86Ghz (up from T5450 @ 1.6Ghz)
RAM = 4GB (up from 3GB)
HDD = 320GB SATA (5400rpm) (up from 250GB)
OS = Vista Home Premium SP1 (64bit) (up/down from 32bit?)
MSRP Price = $1,349.99 (same price before BB $100 off online)
All other hardware appears to be the same... there's a small chance that the CD-Burner supports one more Dual Layer format, but that could simply be because of Best Buy not listing specs correctly.
Side note... has anyone had issues with the right speaker having bad distortions on certain sounds or speach from games... both my P6831s had this issue (another reason I returned them).
HEY, Anandtech.com.... any chance we can get a refreshed review including the P-6860... it would be interesting to see if the extra boost of Proc and RAM with 64bit OS helps or hurts the laptop.
***please, please, please, please, please***
xeryx - Thursday, June 05, 2008 - linkYou did forget a couple of other differences.
BTW Get this Laptop at Best Buy!! The upgrades are well worth it as compared to the Gateway website!!!
1) Comes with the Bluetooth the Gateway 172s does not
2) The wireless adapter is the upgraded to support b/g/n
3) 64bit operating system vs 32bit
Thank goodness you can Raid 0 this puppy later, I was worried! The specs for the 172s says no raid support?? Reply
kyp275 - Monday, April 21, 2008 - linkaye, a refresh on the review for the 6860 would be great :) Reply
Rekonn - Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - linkYes, please update the review! I'm planning to buy a laptop soon and would love to see how the faster Proc, more RAM, and 64bit OS affect results. Reply
Sector7g - Thursday, April 03, 2008 - linkIve had this laptop for just over a month now. Cant beat the bang for the buck. I got the last one here in Edmonton for $1350. This was when the price was $1700 in the states I was quite surprised to see such a price difference. Now I don't even see it listed on bestbuy.ca, I wonder if they stopped selling it here in Canada.
I have just installed 2 of 3 upgrades, another WD250GB 5200rpm HD in Raid0 and a 2nd 2GB stick of ram. I did not however make a backup DVD as was mentioned, and now am looking for some of the apps that came with it. Is anyone that made one of these back up DVD's able to get me a copy? If you reinstall from the DVD that came with the Laptop does it install the aps that was on there? repartition the hard drive for recovery? I installed with another disk I have for ultimate x86. I have x64 on my desktop and had a few problems, but I don't have 4 gigs ram on my desktop. I'm trying to find a T9300 for less than $350 here in Canada but thats seems hard to do.
Also my ram index rating in the windows benchmark stayed a 4.5 and did not go up to 4.8 as some have mentioned. It lists 4 gigs ram in the post, but of course displays only 3 gigs ram when in vista as a result of running x86. Reply
Tattered87 - Wednesday, April 02, 2008 - linkI bought this when I was down in Texas on vacation 2 weeks ago, saw what was in it and thought "wow, that's a beast" and then I saw the price tag and my jaw dropped. I immediately went home and found this was by far the cheapest computer with a viable mobile graphics chipset for the performance I wanted if I ever did in fact get a laptop.
Plays WoW like a champ, and that's pretty much all I got it for; for those who knock it for the processor, it's definitely not bad for what it is, the laptop eats my old northword core 2.4 w/6800nu that I have sitting at work for breakfast. The only thing I can see the laptop really limiting would be strong physics based games, such as Crysis.
I wasn't even looking for a laptop at the time, but this thing definitely got my attention and I ended up going back the next day and buying the last one in stock. Unfortunately it came with the 1.66 cpu, but it really doesn't bother me since I got what I paid for.
Speaking of which, a great thanks to the writer of this article for including that it was on sale this week; I like to read reviews of things I buy in a sort of "it was ok to spend all that money since you got a really good deal on it" sort of way, and I ended up going to BB and utilizing their 2 week price match guarantee and got $107.50 back (the $7.50 is from Texas tax going to Illinois tax).
Overall an excellent review and I highly recommend this laptop to anyone who is considering it. Thanks for the fantastic review and also for saving me some $$ Reply
ccubsfan94 - Sunday, April 20, 2008 - linkhey i was looking at this laptop to buy what i mean was is i chose and still waiting to buy but i saw you say the crysis part and i looked at youtube alot and over half the people who showed crysis vids on there was using this laptop (the P-6860 not P-6831 though) just thought to tell you that and it has no lag of what i saw except one guy mad a explosion of 3,000 barrels of oil and couldn't watch or his computer would start lagging a bit Reply
QuantumPion - Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - linkI played with this laptop at Best Buy when it was on sale for like $1150 or so. I have to say, this laptop has an amazing keyboard. Not just for a laptop, it was one of the nicest feeling keyboards I have ever used. It had perfect spacing and a really nice feel, it gives even high-end desktop keyboards a run for their money. This laptop really is amazing for its price, too bad I don't have much use for it otherwise I might buy one :D Reply
Docdoc - Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - linkSuperb review! Many thanks.
I'm in the process of upgrading computers for my house, and I'd like to purchase gaming laptops for their portability.
Question of the Day:
The myriad games that were tested are helpful, but there's an elephant in the room that currently has over TEN MILLION subscribers which makes this laptop a very likely culprit for which a gaming computer will be used:
World of Warcraft
How would this laptop perform with a 1920 x 1200 external monitor? Any noticeable difference from a 'regular' desktop using a midrange dual core processor and a Nvidia 8800 GT 512MB video card?
If there's not a noticeable difference between this laptop and a desktop, I'm sold.
Thanks. Reply
JarredWalton - Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - linkWoW is extremely *un*-demanding when it comes to graphics. Part of the reason WoW is so successful is that you don't need even a moderately powerful system to run it. You can max out the detail settings on a Radeon 9800 Pro card, based on what I've seen, and still run at 1920x1200.
This laptop has a GPU that is the mobile equivalent of the GeForce 9600 GT, which is more than capable of running WoW at maximum detail... probably even at 2560x1600, although the video output options won't support that. So, if all you're interested in playing is WoW, you'll be very happy with the performance the P-6831 offers. Reply
Donkey2008 - Monday, March 31, 2008 - linkTo the guy who said laptops are the "losers choice for gaming" - I'm not sure that I agree with that statement, but hey it's the internet so we can all vomit our opinions without actually having to prove what we say.
I have owned a Dell XPS M170 laptop (Pentium-M 2.0,2GB 533MHz RAM,7800 Go GTX 256MB) since late 2005 and I can still play games like Bioshock, BF2142, World in Conflict and COD4 very easily on med to high settings (Crysis on med, more lowish) on my "ancient" notebook. Oh, by the way, this notebook scores a blistering 3400 in 3DMark 06 (further reducing my confidence that it is a measure of actual gameplay).
This Gateway should have an equally good lifespan. I don't really see any games being developed that are going to knock this laptop down (seeing as most new games are first and foremost developed for older console tech). Obviously you will have to make some graphic compromises as time goes by, but a $1500 investment (with CPU upgrade) is as good as it gets for the portability/performance it offers.
The only problem I see is the size (like my M170). I am positive that most mobile gamers like me plug it into an external LCD when at home (or work), so the internal screen is only used when truly mobile (at school, at girlfriends, in the car, etc). For that reason, I think Alienware has hit it on the head with the 15.4" M15x. Small screen, yes, but much easier to fit into a backpack and use at school. The 17" is just way too big to do this and the Alienware is $3000 afterall.
Gateway would have the one laptop to rule them all if they made a 15.4" version of this under say $1500.
Anyway, great review. PS - it would be nice if gaming laptops had a movable screen (like the HP 12.1" laptops) so we all don't develop carpal tunnel as we age. Reply
GuitarFreak - Monday, March 31, 2008 - linkGreat review. I think I found my new laptop. I especially like how you can upgrade it. I've got a t9300, a 2GB stick of RAM, and a 7200rpm hdd lined up to go in when I get one :D Reply
mdudeja - Monday, March 31, 2008 - linkJarred, could you give a few more details about the LCD, such as backlight bleed and viewing angles? Reply
SilthDraeth - Sunday, March 30, 2008 - linkhttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8...">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8...
Asus F3kA Seriies, out of the box with 2gigs of Ram, and ATI HD 2600 512 MB Video Card. $899
I have this notebook. I bought it when it was $1000. I upgraded it to 4 Gigs of RAM, and Run Vista 64 on it. Asus even provides drivers for Vista 64. (Though they tell you they don't support Vista 64)
I am just curious on the price to performance. I believe the Vid Card in the Gateway is superior, and the processor is as well. But the Asus is very good for gaming comes with a 30 day zero dead pixel warranty, and 1 year accidental damage warranty, and 2 year standard warranty on the rest of the notebook. So the value is extremely good. Reply
teknomedic - Sunday, March 30, 2008 - linkCan anyone who has gotten the T5550 proc go to Gateway and enter your serial number and then check out the documentation and let us know if they only list the T5450 info or if they give you the T5550 info?
I'm trying to figure out if I've got the T5450 or the T5550 before I open the box... of course the box says T5450 and when I enter my serial at gateway I only get the T5450 documentation as well. I also called gateway tech support and that person basically told me that he showed no records of any of these laptops getting the T5550 proc... but he seemed a little "off" to me though and that's of course an incorrect statement.
TK. Reply
teknomedic - Sunday, March 30, 2008 - link^^^ also though, I've read on the net (so take with some salt) that gateway released a patch because vista was incorrectly ID'ing the proc as a faster one... is there any merit to this... could we all have the T5450 but it's being miss-ID'd? Reply
Che - Sunday, March 30, 2008 - linkMy box does say T5450, but I ran CPU-Z and it does identify it as the faster processor. I'll check the serial number later for ya. Reply
Che - Sunday, March 30, 2008 - linkI entered my serial # and it does state it was a T5450. Ship date March 08 Reply
teknomedic - Sunday, March 30, 2008 - linkThanks for doing that... I decided to just open my box.. figured I'd be upgrading the CPU anyway later... and... got the faster T5550. ;)
So I guess there really is no way to know what you've got until you turn on the PC.
My PC has a ship date of March 13th and I got the T5550 @ 1.83Ghz... of course now my wife is jealous so we had to buy one for her as well. Her ship date was March 4th... haven't opened the box yet... but will report what she has when we do. Both computers were bought at Best Buy. Reply
teknomedic - Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - linkquick update...
My wife's laptop with a ship date of March 4th ended up having the slower T5450 proc... Also, both laptops have a strange "buzz" or audio distortion of the right speaker while playing some games (mostly Command & Conquer 3: Kane's Wrath).
Also, I find the proc debate mute now since the P-6860 is coming out... if you can wait a week or so everyone here should now buy the P-6860... it's still only $1349 but gets a few nice upgrades such as the faster T5550 proc, 4GB RAM and a 320GB HDD with Vista 64bit. Reply
JarredWalton - Sunday, March 30, 2008 - linkASUS makes good notebooks, and the F3kA you linked is reasonable. Still, the 8800M GTS is probably 2 to 3 times more powerful than the Mobility HD 2600. You can run the Quake 4, Crysis, UT3, and Bioshock gaming tests quite easily if you want to compare. Same goes for CINEBENCH, 3DMark, and PCMark.
I think the ASUS might be a better laptop in terms of battery life (it depends on the battery size), but the GPU, CPU, and LCD are all worse than the P-6831. $900 is a fair price for what you get, though. Reply
Fant - Sunday, March 30, 2008 - linkI wished Anandtech would have compared the performance of this gateway to a few other laptops such as the $1500 Dell XPS M1530 which comes with c2d, 4gb, 8600Mgt as well as a MBP running XP (via bootcamp) since it also comes with c2d and 8600MGT. Reply
ap90033 - Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - linkWow 8600M GT? I had one of those Dells, I SENT IT BACK. It was HORRIBLE for gaming. Seriously, it would be embarrassing for the Dell... Reply
predatorramboxxx - Sunday, March 30, 2008 - linkall of them now have 1.83 or 1.86 check notebook review if you do not believe me.
mine came with 1.83 from bestbuy
teknomedic - Sunday, March 30, 2008 - linkHey, great review... I read it yesterday... I bought the P-6831 today... hope your happy, cause I am, lol.
Anyway... In short order I'll probably be upgrading the proc to the T8300 and getting a matched set of 4GB RAM and then installing Vista 64bit.
Just wondering (since I haven't opened the box yet and am still thinking about keeping it)... how are the Vista 64bit drivers for this lappy? Will I beable to find all the drivers I need or will I need to run 32 for a while until they sort those out?
Thanks again! Reply
Che - Sunday, March 30, 2008 - linkWell, I stated installing 64-bit Vista about 24 hours after buying the laptop. Used a 64-bit disc and the laptop's activation key with no issues. As for drivers, most of the drivers are 64-bit aware (even if they are only listed as 32-bit). Took me a few hours but got it up and running great. IMPORTANT: Use the Gateway Recovery Center program and make a backup Drivers and Applications CD. Was very useful in reinstalling the drivers (many on the gateway site don't want to work right)
Only drivers hard to find were: modem and nvidia.
For the modem I used the following: http://www.notebookforums.com/thread212673.html">http://www.notebookforums.com/thread212673.html
Nvidia I used the following: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=2...">http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=2...
Hope that helps. Reply
teknomedic - Sunday, March 30, 2008 - linkthat's awesome info... thank you... I really want to move to 64bit since that's what I'm running at home. Thanks again!! Reply
teknomedic - Sunday, March 30, 2008 - link^^^ oh, and also... futher down the road, will I be able to upgrade the video as well? It also looks like if I did that, I'd have to rip the lappy apart? Reply
win32asmguy - Sunday, March 30, 2008 - linkSorry but the 8800M GTS is soldered to the motherboard, roughly under the number pad area of the keyboard. That is one of the reasons why this machine is thinner than the Clevo M570RU-U clones that are out there. Reply
JarredWalton - Sunday, March 30, 2008 - linkI didn't actually check to see if the GPU was soldered on or not, but it wouldn't surprise me to find that's the case. Even if it is an MSM module that can be upgraded, it's highly unlikely you'll be able to do so. Just ask Dell XPS owners and Alienware m9750 owners how many GPU upgrades they've received over the years. Anyway, the GPU would be under the left side of the keyboard - the CPU is under the number keypad. Reply
JarredWalton - Sunday, March 30, 2008 - linkRegarding video drivers, you have to get the current drivers from Gateway or try hacked drivers from LaptopVideo2Go. In the case of the latter, you will almost certainly get lower performance. Right now, Gateway doesn't have 64-bit GPU drivers (or 64-bit drivers for anything else) on their website. You can get around everything but the GPU and potentially sound drivers.
I would wait for the 64-bit upgrade until NVIDIA releases their next "rapid driver update" mobile drivers, and see if they support the Gateway FX laptops and if there's a 64-bit version. I'm betting yes on 64-bit, but in talking with NVIDIA they *just* received their Gateway systems for validation testing, so they may or may not make it into the next driver release. They will be in the release after that almost certainly, but that's ~4 months out.
The other question of course is whether you even need to go 64-bit and 4GB right now. I don't think so, particularly if gaming is your major concern. 32-bit is still better overall, IMO... maybe in another year 64-bit will begin to make an impact. Reply
teknomedic - Sunday, March 30, 2008 - linkThanks for the replies... too bad on the video considering I have a 5 year old laptop that allowed me to upgrade the video... and I'll wait on the 64bit drivers then. I'm already running 64bit vista at home and gaming too!... I've not had any issues beyond new PC trying to run old games... but that's what my WinXP and Win98 machines are for. ;) Reply
Che - Saturday, March 29, 2008 - linkJust FYI... I received this laptop today (and love it). I have the p-6831FX model and it came with (according to Vista) a T5550 CPU @ 1.83 GHz (not T5450 @ 1.67 GHx). I just checked it using CPU-Z and it says T5600 @ 1.83 GHz. Any ideas?? or did I just get lucky? Of course i'm not complaining, lol.
The sticker on the palm rest states T5450. I did order mine off ebay, but it was still sealed and new in the box as was stated in the auction. Reply
Dgacioch - Sunday, March 30, 2008 - linkmine has the 1.83ghz T5550 as well, just bought it yesterday. Updated the video drivers and ran 3dmark 06. pretty respectable 7450 score, so at least a little improvement over the t5450. Ill be running some more games on it tonight to get some better impressions, but so far performance seems quite good even with the gimped cpu. Reply
JarredWalton - Sunday, March 30, 2008 - linkYou'll need to connect an external LCD and run at 1280x1024 to get comparable 3DMark06 scores. Without an external LCD, 3DMark06 will drop the resolution to 1280x800. I'll test that right now to let you know how the system I received benchmarks. Reply
JarredWalton - Sunday, March 30, 2008 - linkFYI, here are my results for 3DMark06 at 1280x800 (the default using the laptops LCD):
Overall Score: 7005
SM2.0 Score: 3282
SM3.0 Score: 3430
CPU Score: 1448 Reply
JarredWalton - Saturday, March 29, 2008 - linkCould be that Gateway is just going to upgrade the CPU for free. I'm sure the T5550 will improve performance slightly in some situations, but after all it's only a 10% CPU performance increase. I really wish you could customize the build a bit; I'd want a T8300 and the 1920x1200 LCD personally. That would probably increase the price to $1700-$1800, but that's still better than the alternatives and you wouldn't have to sacrifice in those areas. Although, I do wonder what type of LCD they use for the upgraded model... hopefully the same LG.Philips as the Clevo, as it's quite good. Reply
marsbound2024 - Friday, March 28, 2008 - linkI work at Best Buy and I am very sure that the batteries typically installed on our FXs do NOT jut out from the back. They absolutely are flush with the unit. However, I do believe it is a smaller mAh obviously. The last time I dealt with an FX at Geek Squad I absolutely do not remember a jutting battery pack. Not sure if others can speak to this or not, however. Reply
ap90033 - Sunday, March 30, 2008 - linkI dont work at best buy, but I HAVE ONE AND IT DOES STICK OUT. Silly head... I bet you work in Geek Squad. LOL Reply
marsbound2024 - Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - linkI do work in Geek Squad... not that I like it or even think it is true IT. I have bigger plans, but for now I'll take what job I can get at my age. I realize the jokes about Geek Squad, but I don't care. My intelligence is greater than what may typically be represented by GS Agents.
Anyways, I verified for myself that the laptop's battery is flush. In fact, I will take a picture with a digital camera to prove it. Reply
JarredWalton - Friday, March 28, 2008 - linkI'd love it if you could check on this. If the standard battery is 2600 mAh instead of 7800 mAh, you'd be looking at 1/3 the battery life that I got in testing. :| Reply
marsbound2024 - Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - linkBy the way, the Gateway FXs could have been upgraded, but I am sure our display remained the same as far as what battery it has. Reply
marsbound2024 - Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - linkI checked on this already and am 100% positive that what we have at Best Buy, at least on display, is a battery that is flush with the unit. I will take it out and tell you what mAh it is. Reply
JarredWalton - Friday, March 28, 2008 - linkNote that Gateway's website lists 2600 mAh for all the batteries on all the P-series FX notebooks, and obviously I received a 7800 mAh battery. Since they Gateway pictures show the battery poking out, and given the power requirements, I have to think they really are shipping larger batteries. The only 2600 mAh batteries I've seen are for 12" and smaller ultra-portables, which end up offering less than two hours battery life on those laptops. Who would want a 20 minute battery life on a larger notebook!? Reply
marsbound2024 - Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - linkIt looks as if at least Best Buy is also shipping models only with 7800mAh batteries now. So it could be that this whole 2600mAh thing was quickly changed. But basically if you buy one now, you are getting the bigger battery and it is certainly not an option to go smaller. Now for the display, I will let you know. I know for a fact it didn't have a battery jutting out, so that could be a 2600mAh or hey, none at all. If that's the case, it's an honest mistake. I will check the next time I work. But current research points at everyone getting a 7800mAh and no option now to go smaller. In fact, on Gateway's website, they removed the 2600mAh spec. Reply
KeithP - Friday, March 28, 2008 - linkIf you don't mind a little constructive criticism, the car analogy in final conclusion is way over done IMHO. After that first sentence, everything else could have been deleted. We got it, move on. It just seemed like filler to me.
KeithP Reply
krwilsonn - Sunday, March 30, 2008 - linkI actually really liked the car analogy! It could relate because a laptop "on the go", just like a car. The performance comparisons between laptops and cars are also very true, so I can't agree that it was filler as it did illustrate an important point about the performance characteristics of the laptop compared to others. Also, I think the idea that it is an "everyman" sort of laptop that is specifically capable for gaming at a great price makes it a perfect fit for alot of gamers who would probably be able to upgrade every couple years anyway. Obviously most people aren't going to spent $4000 on a laptop anyway. Reply
JarredWalton - Friday, March 28, 2008 - linkThe latest Intel chipsets are able to run dual-channel with mismatched memory sizes, as the others above pointed out. There is a small performance penalty, but in truth RAM performance isn't the primary bottleneck, particularly on notebooks. Look at the WidowPC vs. AVADirect scores - the AVADirect uses faster RAM, but performance is still a tossup.
Someone mentioned bloatware, and in the midst of testing and finishing things up, I neglected to cover that topic. The laptop does indeed come with a lot of crap software installed. However, it's not necessary to do a clean install - I just uninstalled all the extra stuff and that's what I tested. It took an hour or so all told (the internet security suite takes a while to remove), but the result is a much leaner setup. Highly recommended.
If you want to upgrade the CPU, my recommendation would be to go for the T8300. eWiz http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?p=T8300BOX">has it for $240, and it would totally remove the CPU bottleneck in games. If you want to go for the T9300 to get the additional cache and 100MHz more, http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?p=T9300BOX">it costs around $320, so I'm not sure it's worth the money for most people.
Folding@Home can run on the system - that leaves the CPU fan on max, which may reduce the life expectancy of the fan (okay, it *will* reduce the fan life), but it's not terribly loud. With the T5450, however, Folding@Home SMP needs to run pretty much 24/7 to complete work units within the alloted time.
Regarding temperatures, a lot will depend on the operating environment. During the winter months when few houses or offices are much above 70F, I doubt many will complain. In the summer, I imagine it will be quite a bit warmer. This is at its heart a desktop replacement, like all other 17" notebooks. You can carry it around and use it on a bus/plane if you want, but that's not the primary intended role. At maximum load after 30 minutes the bottom of the laptop gets relatively warm... I'll run some tests quick and update the article in the next hour or so.
Finally, a bunch of people complain about my mentioning the ASUS G2P. Here's the deal: the G2P was a $1900 laptop when it launched, and in my review at that time I loved the LCD but lambasted the weak GPU choice. Only laptops with a Go 7900 GS were adequate, but those cost well over $2000 at the time (not counting prices obtained via auction sites and short-term sales). The G2S is a decent notebook today, but NOT FOR GAMING! Look at the results from the Toshiba X205; that includes an 8700M GT, which is moderately faster than the 8600M GT in the G2S (higher clock speeds). The X205 had a T7200 (more cache and a 2.0GHz clock) and the P-6831 already outperforms it by up to 100%! The G2S is a great multimedia laptop, but gaming performance is still very weak. If ASUS had a laptop with an 8800M (GTS or GTX - I don't care) in it, I'd be all over it. If they could do it for $1500 or less, then the Gateway P-6831 would have some competition. Reply
VooDooAddict - Friday, April 04, 2008 - linkCan anyone confirm that the T8300 or T9300 work in this laptop?
I saw a post that someone fitted the laptop with a 65nm T7500 but I've seen no mention of the 45nm T8300.
Thanks. Reply
JarredWalton - Friday, April 04, 2008 - linkThe higher end models of this same chassis ship with Penryn chips, so it *shouldn't* be a problem putting a T8300 in a lower-end FX system. Reply
Wolfpup - Saturday, March 29, 2008 - linkThanks for the Folding @ Home info! I hope it'll do okay. Wish laptops were like desktops where it just doesn't matter :-/
I'm kind of baffled by this dual channel with mismatching DIMM sizes thing. I've never seen that covered in chipset reviews. I guess it's leaving SOME of the RAM in dual channel mode, and some (the left over 1GB)? Weird. So just randomly some memory accesses would have double the bandwidth of others. Reply
JarredWalton - Saturday, March 29, 2008 - linkIt's been around since the Intel P965/975X chipsets. It's called Intel Flex Memory Technology. All I can find on the subject says that it "Gives users a more flexible memory upgrade option by allowing different memory sizes to be installed while maintaining dual-channel mode/performance." There's no clear indication of what exactly they're doing (maybe in a white paper somewhere?), but I suspect the interleaving of data between the memory channels is modified in this arrangement. Performance may not be as high as a matched dual-channel config, but it's still better than single-channel.
Of course, last I recall seeing this tested, dual-channel only improved actual system performance by 5-15% depending on the platform. Since notebook chipsets are already bottlenecked by a slower FSB, the improved memory bandwidth probably doesn't matter that much. The FSB is 133MHz base, quad-pumped. The RAM is 333MHz base, double-pumped. Both deliver the same bandwidth before dual-channel ever comes into play. Reply
jburgett - Saturday, March 29, 2008 - linkThank you for updating the article with temperature info! That is definitely something you can't infer from the spec sheet.
Nice job!
dtonnes - Friday, March 28, 2008 - linkBack in October '06 I bought (via ebay) a new Dell Inspiron 9400, 100GB 7200HD, Geforce 7900gs, 2gb ram, T7200 processor, 1920 X 1200 screen for $1684. I've since updated it with a 200GB 7200HD and 4gb DDR667 RAM.
It doesn't really seem like there's much more bang for the buck today than when I bought my machine a year and a half ago. Perhaps the most sensible upgrade right now would be to replace the 7900gs. Does anyone know if this is possible? Reply
asusftw - Friday, March 28, 2008 - linkasus g2p? what era are we in? benchmark the g2sg-a1 or the g2s-b2. don't use notebooks that are past their expiration date please. Reply
pnyffeler - Friday, March 28, 2008 - linkOuch. :-) Reply
kenbx84 - Friday, March 28, 2008 - linkI like how these guys like to compare the outdated Asus G2P to this gateway as oppose to the more up to date G2Sg or even G2S-B2...
Hey guys try comparing the latest notebooks with the latest notebooks please. Reply
ap90033 - Sunday, March 30, 2008 - linkAre you talking about this one? http://184.108.40.206/search?q=cache:nBTuWHg8-gQJ:...">http://220.127.116.11/search?q=cache:nB...p;hl=en&...
If so 5200 in 3dmark06 isnt really close to 7000 that I get with the P6831FX... Reply
JarredWalton - Sunday, March 30, 2008 - linkNote that in order to compare 3DMark06 scores properly, you need to test at 1280x1024... that link only does so at the end and then scores a paltry 4715. For the 6831FX, you need to use an external LCD (which I did). 6820 is a respectable score, held back quite a bit by the CPU (which contributes something like 1/4 to 1/3 of the total points, I think).
But really, who cares about 3DMark? We don't play that; we play actual games. Compared to the 8700M GT in the X205:
Battlefield 2, Bioshock, Quake 4, Stalker, and Supreme Commander are roughly half the performance. Meanwhile Far Cry, the HL2 games, and Oblivion are about 2/3 as fast. So in tested games, the P6831 is usually at least 50% faster than the X205, and frequently twice as fast. I wish I still had an 8700M GT system so I could run some of the new games through the wringer, but regardless it's not looking pretty. Reply
MrX8503 - Friday, March 28, 2008 - link"I like how these guys like to compare the outdated Asus G2P to this gateway as oppose to the more up to date G2Sg or even G2S-B2...
Hey guys try comparing the latest notebooks with the latest notebooks please. "
Reading is your friend. Theres a reason why they did this. Reply
deshiboy - Monday, January 25, 2010 - link8690 HYA HYA! Reply
jburgett - Friday, March 28, 2008 - linkFrequently reviewers of laptops neglect to measure the heat radiating from the top and bottom of laptops. This can be a major factor in the actual use of a system. For example, I had a Gateway nx860XL that reached 52 deg C on the underside while sitting on a flat surface! Such hot temperatures prevent using it on your lap for even short periods. Further, the area under your left hand while gaming (the WASD keys) reached 45 deg after a long gaming session, and this was while raising the back of the laptop to provide maximum fan airflow!
Please consider adding temperature measurements on teh top and bottom to your reviews. It would be very helpful, as the differences from one laptop to another are dramatic.
Currently only notebookreview.com and notebookcheck.net provide temperature readings.
Thanks for the review! Reply
ap90033 - Sunday, March 30, 2008 - linkInteresting point, its not important for me, I use the Ideazon Fang... Its way better than using a keyboard and makes this a non issue. I have used mine a lot gaming and surfing the net and never noticed but of course when gaming my fang gamepad allows me to play with no distractions. Actually for a gaming laptop I was suprised at how cool it runs... Reply
Wolfpup - Friday, March 28, 2008 - linkI'm wondering if this comes with a real Vista DVD like Dell's systems do (not no one else does) so you can reinstall it from scratch when you get it.
It actually sounds like it does from the manual for the FX series, as it talks about reinstalling from the Vista DVD. Presumably if it didn't HAVE a DVD included, they'd at least mention "oh you have to buy it".
I also wonder if this can run Folding @ Home whenever it's on. Sounds like maybe it can actually handle it, if 100% CPU utilization doesn't require it to ramp up the fans all the way.
Overall, I hate the slow CPU, but even that's not much different from a lot of notebooks in the price range. I probably should have bought one during that sale (DOH!) But maybe I'll still pick one up...
Oh, and to the person who said people reading Anandtech won't use this as their main machine...why not? I've got a pretty big backlog of games to get through, so I might be an exception, but I figure I can get at LEAST a year or two of use out of this before I start getting held back by the CPU and GPU. And the price is low enough that I can just figure I'll buy a new notebook or desktop in 1-3 years when needed, and it'll still be cheaper then buying something more expensive now.
Actually another question...I wonder how getting the memory in dual channel mode would help performance? 3GB is beyond adequate, but I'd assume these newer systems still give up 10%+ performance when running single channel. Reply
ap90033 - Sunday, March 30, 2008 - linkYes it comes with a Vista Home Premium DVD.... Reply
win32asmguy - Friday, March 28, 2008 - linkI bought one of these yesterday at Best Buy after they put it on sale for $1249 again.
It does indeed have a real Vista re-install cd. The CD also includes none of the extra bundled applications or such. However, you can also make a "restore" DVD from an included program that will recreate its 10GB recovery partition and return it to a factory fresh installation. Its nice to see Gateway let people go either way with this.
The P-6831fx is also actually due for an update soon. Its supposed to be called the P-6860fx and will have a T5550 (1.83ghz, 667fsb, 2mb) and a 320GB hdd instead of the 250GB. My P-6831fx actually already has a T5550 in it, as gateway's ODM has appeared to already run out of the T5450's as of the last shipment. The slower processor is definitely a setback, but I will eventually upgrade to a T9300 to close the gap in performance even closer to the laptops with the GTX.
Oh, and CPU-Z does report that it runs in dual channel mode, however it also takes a small performance hit due to not being both 2GB sticks. Other users report their Vista memory experience index from jumping from 4.6 to 4.8 when upgrading to 4GB. Reply
iclicku - Friday, March 28, 2008 - linkThe laptop comes with a Vista DVD. However, you'll have to burn a back-up DVD for drivers and applications. It should be the first thing you do before performing a format.
The laptop should be fine for Folding @ Home. If not, a simple CPU upgrade should do wonders.
As for the 3GB of ram, it is in fact running in dual channel mode so no worries there. It's definately useful since Vista needs as much memory it can get it's grubby little hands on. Reply
strikeback03 - Friday, March 28, 2008 - link[quote] Imagine being able to buy a very nice sports car that could compete with the Dodge Viper at one third the cost, and that's what Gateway has released on the market. [/quote]
In other words it is the Evo/STI of the gaming laptop world. Maybe one of the ones with the bigger screens qualifies as a base Corvette. Reply
Corland - Friday, March 28, 2008 - linkIt would be nice to see things like the MacBook Pro with LED backlight (or a regular MacBook) in the color comparison and LCD tests for comparison sake- comparing gaming laptop LCD's to each other is fine, but having some other common laptop screens that some of us will have worked with would also be useful.... Reply
iclicku - Friday, March 28, 2008 - linkAs the review states, you can't beat the value of this laptop. I purchased this laptop at Best Buy during the President's Day sale for $1199 and it came with a $50 game (COD4). Out of the box, it's a great machine. However, the review doesn't mention the amount of bloatware that is on the machine (which is commonplace).
I managed to place a few upgrades in my machine. I placed a T7500 C2D, 4GB total ram, 200GB 7200RPM HD, and wiped my machine and installed a dual boot with Vista Business 64-bit and XP Pro 32-bit. I got great deals on the upgrades and the OSes I had from previous machines. Total cost of machine came to $1500.
3dMark06 scores are as follows: (drivers I used are 169.09 from laptopvideo2go.com)
Vista 64 - 8900
XP Pro 32 - 9150 Reply
tomek1984 - Tuesday, May 13, 2008 - linkGive me few hints how you got video driver to work with XP. I downloaded 169.09 and tried installing it with base file and 2nd time with an updated one by INF file. Nether1 recognized Nvidia hardware. I am using 6860 FX with factory specs+ 2nd harddrive(XP is instaled on 2nd HD) Reply
Starcub - Saturday, May 17, 2008 - linkI got a newer driver from laptopvideo2go.com to work by replacing the inf file with nvwi.inf which I extracted from the included originalinfs.zip. Reply
ap90033 - Friday, March 28, 2008 - linkNice, I have one and wondered what the difference would be if I upgraded the CPU...
Great review by the way. Reply
ToeJuice - Friday, March 28, 2008 - linkI own an Asus G2 and it's one of the better (if not the best) midrange gaming laptops I've ever owned or seen. But I guess Asus lappies don't even deserve a mention here? Reply
ToeJuice - Friday, March 28, 2008 - linkNevermind... overreacted to the first page... lol Reply
bill3 - Friday, March 28, 2008 - linkWould you make a gaming laptop your only machine? A 9600GT caliber GPU sounds nice now, but in just a few months as always it will be slipping way behind.
It's hard enough keeping up to gaming specs on a desktop, seems to me a fixed spec laptop is always a losers choice for gaming. Reply
gerf - Friday, March 28, 2008 - linkI use my laptop for all computer uses outside of work. I consider it gaming able as well: Dell Vostro 1500 1.6GHz C2D, 8600m 512MB only DDR2, 2GB RAM, 85WHr battery. With the discounts of the day, 3 year warranty and a bag thrown in, it was about $1050.
What mattered the most was that I get about 5 hours battery life when I'm just running moz, irc, IM, Thunderbird around the house.
I'm not a Dell employee, but I have to say that this type of lapper could be grouped up there as a reasonable alternative for moderate gamers on the go. Reply
JarredWalton - Friday, March 28, 2008 - linkThat sort of system is a standard laptop first and a gaming laptop second. There's nothing wrong with that, of course, but if you really like games and want to be able to run at maximum detail, that type of system won't cut it. That's what I'm getting at in the conclusion: the need for balance as well as targeting what type of system you want. If you want long battery life, the 8800M notebooks are currently a poor choice. I'm still waiting to see the first notebooks with HybridPower, so that you can get both 3D performance *and* long battery life. Reply
pmonti80 - Friday, March 28, 2008 - linkFor the kind of people who read anandtech, that laptop is not going to be their only computer. It's a second or third computer, like a desktop pc you can move or if you go to a LAN party, used for such things.
And for the kind of people not reading anandtech this mobile equivalent of a 9600 GT is more that OK for a couple of years. At the native resolution of 1440x900 they would be able to play any game for 2 or more, just reducing the settings used as games demand more power (1440x900 is just a few less pixels than 1280x1024).
Just my 2 cents. Reply
iclicku - Friday, March 28, 2008 - linkI actually bought this laptop to leave at my GF's place so that when I'm over there, I can play games and such. Plus my GF loves to use it as well. I already have a desktop at home and the specs are very similar to the laptop. Reply
FXi - Friday, March 28, 2008 - linkNice review. It's very nice to see a notebook that enters the market at a kinder price point (even fully loaded it's far better than Dell or Alienware 17" gaming models).
Drivers! Seriously anyone who isn't "working with" Nvidia hand in hand right now to get regular driver updates for mobile gaming machines is going to be out of this business when those updates start showing up. SLI absolutely requires serious regular driver updates, and the minute those updates stop (you stop getting supported) your SLI rig is not a single gpu rig in any future games. Kinda sad, eh?
The TN panel is a bit of a compromise, but folks should seriously consider that the price for what you get is pretty good. One can always move up several thousand and not get dramatically more performance. A cpu upgrade would probably be the only thing most folks might consider paying more for.
Well done :)
pmonti80 - Friday, March 28, 2008 - linkIt's a pitty that I live in spain and can't buy this notebook. Because I would buy it without a second thought if Gateway sold these here.
Great for Lan's and as a Desktop Replacement. For a decent price. Reply


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AMD's Radeon HD 6800 Series & Llano "Fusion" APU: A Story in Picturesby Ryan Smith on 10/19/2010 12:01 AM EST
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numberoneoppa - Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - linkThose cards look pretty short for x800-series - interesting. Might be an optical illusion, though.
Can't wait till ATI announces the cards so we can see the Anand review! Reply
sonnygdude - Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - linkWell, if rumors are correct, the 6800 series are replacements for the 5770 rather than successors to the 5850/5870. Looking forward to information on the 6950(?) and 6970(?)! Reply
karlitobrigante - Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - linkThe pictures of the above 6870 show it requiring 2 power cables which they only require on their highest end cards... As a 5770 owner I would be pretty said if I couldn't upgrade to the 6000 series without getting a new power supply. Reply
aegisofrime - Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - linkFrom what I have been hearing on the Intertubes those aren't actually x800s in the traditional sense of the number. What would have been 6770/6750 under the old system are now 6870/6850. The actual 6870/6850 would probably be called 6950/6970.
Yes, confusing I know. Reply
sonnygdude - Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - linkAha! Beat you to it! Kneel before me! :P Reply
aegisofrime - Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - linkCurses! Foiled again! Pinky, we will be back tomorrow night! Reply
sonnygdude - Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - linki can't resist!
"What are we going to do tomorrow night?" Reply
aegisofrime - Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - linkSame thing we do every night Pinky. Try to be the first poster!
But on a serious note, I rather wish AMD didn't change the numbering system. As they say, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Reply
cwolfx2 - Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - linkThis thread made my day.. Reply
Stuka87 - Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - linkYeah, I wish this comment section had a thumbs up option. Reply
blagishnessosity - Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - linkyes, mine as well ^_^ Reply
El_Capitan - Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - linkAh yes. Good one. :) Reply
numberoneoppa - Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - linkHah, pain in the ass. Thanks guys. I can't wait for Anand to break down the architecture differences between the different 6xxx series cards. Really planning on picking something up this round. Reply
nomoreinfidels - Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - linkThe pictures show only one Crossfire connector on the cards, AMD isn't going to limit their flagship cards to just two way Crossfire, so I'm pretty convinced the rumours are true. Reply
blacklist - Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - linkthe price of the 6870 is gonna be $270 (or something around that). check compusa webpage: compusa. c o m /applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6799926&CatId=3585 Reply
RedShirt - Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - linkAweeee, I was hoping NDA lifted on the 19th, but it appears that it didn't (see post time of 12:01:00 AM). Reply
Mr Perfect - Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - linkI was thinking the same thing, though I don't remember who said the 19th...
Oh well, off to read about Fallout New Vegas. Reply
knutjb - Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - linkNvidia is just getting the lower levels of their new cards out and AMD drops a couple new next gen cards before Nvidia's reviews are even cold. This can't be good for them.
Look at all those connectors and that small package.
Enough with the tease wheres the review! Reply
Lonbjerg - Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - linkWhy do people asume that the fact that "Fermi" was late, will have any influence on the timeline for NVIDIA's refresh?
Does not compute. Reply
Laitainion - Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - linkProbably because development cycles are staggered so they can recoup some of the R&D costs before hitting the market with a new product, plus while development will certainly have started on Fermi's successor many moons ago, Fermi would almost certainly have been the primary focus with any moveable resources/development teams being shifted to work on it to get it out the doors faster.
It may not be as clear cut as Fermi = 6 months later (or however long it was) therefore successor will also be 6 months late, but if nVidia have only just finished rolling out the full Fermi line they are unlikely to have their new architecture ready to release within a reasonable time of AMD's new cards. Reply
softdrinkviking - Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - linkthey wouldn't introduce a new lineup before the existing one got cold.
nobody would buy the old cards, they would just rot on the shelves until they hit deep discount.
not that i wouldn't love that kind of price competition, but it's not realistic. Reply
knutjb - Thursday, October 21, 2010 - linkCompute this:
It has to do with product cycles and Nvidia WAS late from their own public release projections for Fermi.
Nvidia released what many consider to be direct competition to AMDs 5XXX series. Now AMD is about to release a 6XXX series of cards, provided AMD delivers on improved performance, that will have a negative impact on Nvidia's profit potential on a line of cards that now might appear old to purchasers. That could pressure Nvidia to lower prices further, reducing profit potential on the very expensive Fermi.
Also, the recent bad habit of Nvidia to change product names 8800, 9800, etc... without real product improvement might rear its ugly head again in an attempt to soften that blow.
This isn't, for me anyway, a slamming of Nvidia, its a look at the market and who has the perceived leading products with the most bang for the buck. It wasn't that long ago that AMD was in Nvidia's position. Reply
SteelCity1981 - Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - linkI wonder how much better these gpu's will be over the Radeon 5xxx series in real world performance. I guess we will have to find out. It doesn't apper these Radeon 6xxx series will offer big performance gains but instead more of an update in certain areas to the existing Radeon 5xxx hardware much like what the Geforce 9xxx series was to the Geforce 8xxx series.
Although these are no more then rumors at this point from what read the next big overhaul for AMD's gpu's will be the Radeon 7xxx series which will offer a new GPU microarchitecture along with DirectX 11.1 and PCI-E 3.0 support. The rumored release date for the Radeon 7xxxx series is around Q4 of 2011. Reply
Goty - Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - linkThe performance gains should be quite nice and right in line with what we usually expect from generation to generation, at least if these are really the midrange replacements and the leaked benchmarks are anything to go by. Reply
Azfar - Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - link*Rubs his hands in excitement* ...cant wait :D !!! Reply
Kim Leo - Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - linkWell it does seem like AMD has changed the numbering a little, I think it's a good idea, it never made sense to me that x9xx was the name for dual GPU's when they simply would use two x8xx's GPU's, why not do as they do with their CPU's and slap a x2 on there?
I look forward to the tests, but I don't expect Fermi busters just yet atleast.
As for the Llano pictures, damn I look forward to it, I've always been a strong supporter of AMD simply because they are the smaller company and they still deliver, but have never been that attracted to their mobile CPU's but if I can get a decent performing 14" Zacate based laptop from let's say Lenovo, I think I would become a very happy camper. I currently have a T500 the model with only Intel graphics and that's my big issue with this laptop, I'm not some gamer who has to be surrounded by games, but having my laptop play an HD movie is something I can need from time to time to pass some time. Reply
rootheday - Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - linkT500 has GMA 4500 - perfectly capable of playing HD video.
And with respect to gaming, Sandybridge and Zacate look to arrive about the same and I predict Sandybridge will have better gaming and multimedia performance. Reply
Kim Leo - Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - linkNo.. Not really the GMA4500 is not strong enough, I've tried 1080P videos stored on the HDD and still it will lag, where I've tried weaker AMD laptops with HD3470 that will run them perfectly.
Well that's all good and stuff, and you know what? The HD5800 paired with a I7 will also do better, but why are we comparing two CPU/APU's aimed at two completely different markets? Sandy Bridge doesn't have the size advantage(In other words price advantage), Sandy Bridge isn't aimed at cheap and small Laptops/Netbooks and having Intel graphics on this laptop their drivers aren't to be desired, where my desktop with ATI has never had any problems.
And as I've already mentioned it's not about gaming if it was, I would choose neither! Reply
extide - Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - linkSandy bridge will exist in the market from top to bottom and in the mobile space. So it is a valid comparison. Reply
Kim Leo - Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - linkNo it's not Llano is more comparative to CULV and Atom, mostly Atom as it's an APU, it's dual core, and most likely it will be cheap. Reply
Voldenuit - Wednesday, October 20, 2010 - linkI think you're confusing Llano for Bobcat here. Bobcat is the real Atom/CULV competitor. Llano is destined for mainstream dekstops and notebooks. Reply
Veroxious - Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - linkMy guess is between 20-30% raw performance improvement over the 5xxx series. I think the greatest gain will be a smaller hit when running high AA at 2560x1600 if the new cards sport 1.5GB of memory or more as this has been it's weak point. Also I think the 6xxxx will also take less of a hit when running in DX11 mode which is another strong point of the Fermi cards.
Doubt that overclocking will be any better than the 5xxx series butcould run slightly cooler unless the factory clocks are higher than the 5xxx series.
I don't know why but I still feel drawn to the GTX470........waiting for the price to drop some more.... and then relook at the Radeon 7xxx series in 2012/2013..... Reply
softdrinkviking - Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - linkbased on anandtech's review of the 5870 eyefinity, in the chapter called "2GB vs. 1GB, does it really matter," they conclude that 2GB does not change a thing.
but i would be curious to know if you found something else that contradicts those findings? (reference please) Reply
Sufo - Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - linkJust got my 2nd 5850 >_< Reply
Simen1 - Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - linkRead the small green letters at the Zacate screen: 769686 Gflops (@ 19,0 Watt) Reply
numberoneoppa - Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - link769 TFlops? Doubt it. :P Reply
extide - Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - linkLooks more like 21.xxx Gflops to me (which is pretty good for a small little dual core) Reply
cfaalm - Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - linkI think the heatsink looks very small. Is this 32nm+hkmg speaking? I wonder what the temperatures/cooling requirements are. Reply
Stuka87 - Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - linkWell the screen shows it is only 19W, so it would not require much cooling at all if it does run at that power level. Reply
cfaalm - Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - linkThe picture of the board is Llano, the comparison with i5 is Zacate. Isn't it? It looks like Llano runs pretty cool too. Reply
7Enigma - Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - linkSo here's another card that has at least 1 external power connector on the end of the card (only saw one pic of the butt end of the cards). My dad's 5850 is on the top of the card when seated in the PCI slot. Both of these scenarios has negatives as if in a tight case the power cords can become problematic.
Does anyone know of a PSU manufacturer that has realized the biggest issue is having to put a severe bend in the power connector and released them with 90 degree bends similar to the HDD SATA cables? That would allow for much less stress on the connector and keep the overall profile smaller/cleaner.
And I clearly don't know anything about an NDA, but are you to tell me part of the NDA is not being able to tell us when the NDA is up?!?? That's cruel! Reply
FireSnake - Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - linkLaunch date is this friday:
http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/item/20540-amd-co... Reply
jonup - Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - linkIs AMD lifting the NDA at lunch or maybe a day earlier? Is it going to be a hard lunch? Reply
Creig - Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - linkActually, I believe it will be a soup and salad lunch. Reply
softdrinkviking - Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - linki'm betting on pot-luck. Reply
numberoneoppa - Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - linkomg salad sounds so good right now. Reply
Stuka87 - Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - linkAhh, the comments today are full of so much win :)
Not so sure about Korean potluck though.... Reply
jonup - Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - linkROFL! Give me a break; I meant "launch".
p.s. Screw the soup and salad; I had some real good corn beef sandwitch for lunch. Reply
Shadowmaster625 - Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - linkI know of no such power supplies. You might find this tinyurl interesting:
The relevant part is 10 paragraphs down. Apparently you can blame Anand for there not being any right angle molex/pciE power connectors!
"the only reason why it has been dismissed is because benchers - and those who regularly take out the power cables - prefer to be able to do so with ease, and having connections at a right angle would only hinder this. " Reply
Torquemeister - Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - linkIt's disappointing that tri and quad crossfire support was dropped from this product range. Reply
gravityarch - Wednesday, October 20, 2010 - linkI really love the industrial tech design on'em ^^ Reply
Pastuch - Wednesday, October 20, 2010 - linkI'm certain posting the physical length of the 6870 and the 6850 will not violate any NDAs...
Ryan please tell us how long the cards are? Reply
Chloiber - Thursday, October 21, 2010 - link6870 has the same length as 5850, 6850 is shorter - maybe about 5770.
By the way: there are no "successors" to the 6800 series in the 5000 series. The 58xx were, in their generation, high end/enthusiast cards. The 57xx were mainstream. The performance level was completely missing in the 5000 series. That's why there is no real competition to the GTX460 for example at the moment.
The 68xx is actually a successor to the 48xx cards. 48xx were "performance" cards.
So, when ignoring MGPU cards we had:
48xx: Performance
47xx: Mainstream
--> High End was missing!
58xx: High-End
57xx: Mainstream
--> Performance was missing!
69xx: High-End (Cayman)
68xx: Performance (Barts)
67xx: Mainstream (Juniper?) Reply

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Samsung Galaxy Nexus Officially Announcedby Brian Klug on 10/18/2011 10:40 PM EST
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Lunyone - Tuesday, October 18, 2011 - linkI'll be looking at this against the Droid Bionic, assuming it comes to Verizon (which I think it will). Reply
DigitalFreak - Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - linkMight want to compare it to the Droid Razr instead. Reply
BMartinelli - Tuesday, October 18, 2011 - linkThe hd screen is pentile? Reply
daveloft - Tuesday, October 18, 2011 - linkDoes it matter?
I agree a WVGA display with pentile is clearly inferior to a regular WVGA display, but this display is 720p. Even with slightly less sub pixels in a pentile arrangement it still blows away the current crop of devices. Reply
tom1l21 - Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - linkWell it doesn't bet the iPhone in terms of dpi, I don't think it's fair to compare when one is Pentile, and one isn't. Reply
deV14nt - Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - linkPPI is a funny measurement. Because by definition it factors screen size out of the equation, arguably the most important factor in real-world use. Great marketing.
PPI matters, but only relative to the screen size you're discussing. It would likely make sense to bin devices into different categories, then compare PPI within each category. You wouldn't just straight up compare PPI between this device and iPhone. They should not even be in the same category. Screen size difference is often more important than pixel density. That should not be ignored. Obviously it's best to consider both, every single time you make a comparison. Especially when you factor in usable space and other factors in devices with larger, more usable touchscreens.
I mean, if you don't do that, then there's a Kopin LCD with 2272 ppi @ 0.44 inches that is obviously the best. Right? I'd love to see that phone. We can call it the iPhone Shuffle HD. Best screen in existence, right? Reply
SanX - Thursday, October 20, 2011 - linkHolly @#$..what the mess in peoples heads. Kopin LCD is viewed through the lenses. And despite of that it and all other screens of all sizes are perfectly comparable based on physics and physiology of human vision. This is why exist SMPTE and other rules for best viewing distances and pixel density requirements for monitors, televisions and cinema screens which by the way all are described by approximately the same formulas.
As to these two screens - they are of absolutely the same category and there is no need to stretch through the nose two different ones.
No matter how this pentile is made - RGBG or RGBW it has 2 subpixels per pixel and hence this HD is fake HD. This is typical salespeople trap for "unwashed masses". For some specific situations - like the colors close to red and orange or magenta solid colors - the subpixel density is 158 ppi which is total utter sh!t comparable to iPhone1 circa 2007.
This pentile must be beyond even 1920x1080 to not notice pixelation of red/orange/magenta!
And i will claim even more - take a chair - we need actually not 720 but true 1080p RGB matrix for such kind of large phones for all small fonts to be ideally resolved on full web pages without permanent zooming. Just take the phone a bit closer then optimal viewing distance 10-12", take it at 8-9" and you will see pixelation again because perceived or implied ppi for subpixels will drop below 300. This is the distance i usually keep my phones when browse or kids play their games. So ideal RGB matrix PPI must be 400+ and no PenisTile cr#p.
Meantime we will keep zooming. People will sue eventually phone screen manufacturers for repetitive finger motion disorders. LOL Reply
FlyBri - Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - linkI guess we'll see if it totally matters, but if it is PenTile, I think it actually will matter. I took a look at the Droid Bionic, which has a qHD display, and even compared to my WVGA screen on my Droid X, I still favored my Droid X -- I can't stand PenTile...it was totally noticeable (and annoying) to me. Reply
daveloft - Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - linkAn 800 x 480 pentile display has 384,000 pixels and 768,000 sub pixels.
An 800 x 480 RGB display has 384,000 pixels and 1,152,000 sub pixels.
A 960 x 540 pentile display has 518,400 pixels and 1,036,800 sub pixels.
A 1280 x 720 pentile display has 921,600 pixels and 1,843,200 sub pixels.
From the numbers above you can clearly see why people prefer 800 x 480 RGB over pentile at 800 x 480 and even 960 x 540. You can also see that even with a pentile display the 720p display is clearly better. Reply
daveloft - Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - linkA 1280 x 720 RGB display with 921,600 pixels and 2,764,800 pixels would clearly be better than a 720p pentile display. But until that's available I'll be buying a device with the 720p pentile display. Reply
ssddaydream - Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - linkIt should be pointed out that a the subpixel density of the Droid Charge is actually higher than the Droid Prime (648subpixels per inch vs 640 subpixels per inch)
Also, because of the nature of how pentile displays render blue and red, certain images will result in a reduced clarity over RGB. Text may appear as sharp, however. The advantage of the Droid Prime is that it has a larger screen and thus can be held further away.
Withholding judgement until I actually compare the Prime to the Charge, I expect the Droid to have a better overall display.
I figure its only a matter of time before SAMOLED+ HD, anybody have any insights? Reply
ssddaydream - Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - linkeek, need edit, I expect the *Droid Charge* to have a better overall display... Reply
cptcolo - Tuesday, October 18, 2011 - linkRoughly 22 fps with Egypt and that is not even that new of a game. The SGX540 is way under spec for a 720p screen. Simply put this thing will not be able to play modern games. Reply
nimus - Tuesday, October 18, 2011 - linkEspecially for the price. Reply
nimus - Tuesday, October 18, 2011 - linkAnyone know how much of Ice Cream Sandwich is GPU-assisted (if at all)? Reply
cherrybombaz - Tuesday, October 18, 2011 - linkIt says in the SDK "Beginning with Android 4.0, hardware acceleration for all windows is enabled by default".
But honestly, the GPU is such a disappointment. Reply
Red Storm - Tuesday, October 18, 2011 - linkI could care less?
I don't buy smartphones to play crappy mobile games that pale in comparison to even consoles let alone PCs. The only thing I care about is if it runs the OS and built in functions/apps well, and judging from the stream it most certainly does. :D Reply
Skiddywinks - Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - linkWell, personal usage scenarios will obviously vary, but a GPU accelerated GUI is always a good thing.
Personally, I fancy some emulation, so a decent GPU would be awesome. Plus, the Galaxy S line tends to be real easy to ROM and what not, which is definitely something I am interested in (running the SpeedMod kernel and Darkys ROM final on my SGS currently). Reply
doobydoo - Thursday, October 20, 2011 - linkThen you don't need a current generation phone. Get a Samsung Galaxy S or an iPhone 4. Reply
jiffylube1024 - Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - linkIf the Galaxy Nexus does indeed use the SGX540 then that would be very disappointing. That's the same GPU that was used on the original Galaxy S!
However, they haven't confirmed the GPU on the Galaxy Nexus yet. They actually didn't talk about it at all last night. Reply
JasonInofuentes - Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - linkThe SoC for this is the TI OMAP 4460, and we have actually covered this thing extensively, despite not seeing it in a shipping product yet. The GPU is the SGX540 that we've seen in lots of other devices, but it isn't fair to call it the same. In the Hummingbird SoC's of the Galaxy S it was clocked at roughly 200 MHz. In the OMAP 4430 it was clocked at 304 MHz, as in the Bionic. So if you look at a more recent chart than the one you were looking at you'll see (http://www.anandtech.com/show/4910/motorola-droid-... That in Egypt the Fascinate scores 22 FPS and the BIonic 28 FPS, a roughly 30% increase, which tracks with the clock increase.
Now, the implementation in the OMAP 4460 puts the clock at 384 MHz (http://www.anandtech.com/show/4413/ti-announces-om... which should yield another 20-25% increase in performance.This won't put it faster than the iPhone 4S, nor will it be faster than Mali, it will however be the third fastest GPU shipping.
I will coach all of this by saying, the discussion above is based on the chip manufacturer's specs, but the device manufacturer has final say on how he clocks his devices. It could be that we'll be disappointed and that the SGX540 in the GN will be clocked lower than it's max. But if it is it'll still be among the fastest GPU's in an Android device. Reply
3DoubleD - Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - linkEven if it is in "3rd place", it is still significantly behind, especially next the the SGX543MP2 in the iPhone4S. I think most people would have been content if this at least shipped with an Exynos SoC.
What we are seeing here is more LTE bull****. Carriers feel that the only way they can differentiate their services is through theoretical download speed... the 3G/"4G" marketing war. So they pressure the phone manufacturers to add LTE, even though there is very little coverage and the SoC's do not yet include an LTE modem. There are so few LTE modems available we are restricted to OMAP 44xx chips. That's why we don't have Exynos in the Nexus Prime.
My home internet connection is 24 mbps... I don't need more than HSPA+ speeds on my phone! I might need a GPU that can keep up for more than a year (that isn't already a year old)! Reply
cmdrdredd - Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - linkVery little LTE coverage? You need to read more. It covers half of the population and will be in 175 cities on Nov 17. Reply
cmdrdredd - Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - linkOh I totally buy a phone to play "modern games". Oh yes...wait, I have a what...an iPad? a Real PC? a PS3? A Xbox 360? A Wii? A 3DS? a PSP? Oh yeah...that's right...my phone doesn't matter for games. Reply
doobydoo - Thursday, October 20, 2011 - linkRight, so you're happy to buy a second rate smart phone with old technology?
If your phone performance (in not just gaming) doesn't matter, then don't waste your money buying the fastest phone on the market currently (the iPhone 4S), Instead, buy an older second generation phone such as the Samsung Galaxy S or iPhone 4.
A lot of people do appreciate the performance boost throughout the OS in every single app that a better GPU would have offered, but if you want a slower phone, fair enough. A lot of people also play games. On the iPhone 4S, for example, you can stream the phone content to a TV, so it becomes very much like a games console. Some Android phones let you link with a physical cable too. Reply
doobydoo - Thursday, October 20, 2011 - linkIs it just me or is the missing GPU specification (the Primes worst feature) a glaring omission from this article?
I'm sorry but this absolutely screams of bias. Why would such an in-depth tech site miss off such a key specification which also just so happens to be it's worst.
Couple that to an unfounded 'justification' of including a 2 year old GPU in a flagship smartphone within the comments sections, with wild claims of '20%', '30%' improvements etc - including defending the phone rather than objectively stating the facts.
Not too impressive on the impartial front. Reply
LostPassword - Tuesday, October 18, 2011 - linkis this actually going to be pentaband or are they going to separate it by carriers when it reaches america? Reply
Trefugl - Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - linkI'm wondering that as well. I don't recall seeing Pentaband HSPA+ before, but maybe my memory is failing me.
Currently looks like they're going to support AWS, so I'm thinking it might come to T-Mobile? Oh how I hope it will. Reply
Goi - Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - linkJust wondering if the face unlock can be fooled to unlock the phone by showing the phone a picture of its owner? Reply
tipoo - Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - linkNot sure about Google's implementation, but I tried that many times with my Dell's face recognition. To answer your question, it was never fooled.
On the down side, sometimes if say I don't shave for a few days, it takes a while to re-learn me. Reply
Goi - Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - linkHmm yeah, facial hair could mess things up... Reply
Ushio01 - Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - linkFor all the fuss I expected more than a Galaxy S 2 HD with worse camera's. Reply
jiffylube1024 - Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - linkWorse camera? You mean because 5MP cannot possible be better than 8MP?? All we know about the new Galaxy Nexus' camera is that it's 5MP, does 1080p HD video (just like the SGS II's camera) and has virtually no shutter lag. It's very possible that the camera in the Galaxy Nexus is similar, the same or better than the one in the SGS II and they dropped the megapixels to improve shutter lag and performance in the new panoramic camera mode. Reply
Ushio01 - Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - linkThe phone is thinner so wouldn't the sensor require a decrease in size? plus the front camera is 1.3MP reduced from 2MP. Reply
Zan Lynx - Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - linkMegapixels is not the final word on camera quality. Not even close.
Now, I am not saying the camera is better or worse. I am saying that you can't claim it is worse just because it's 5 MP instead of 8 MP. Optics, sensor noise and processing all contribute to the picture.
I used to have a 2 MP camera and its pictures were clearly superior when compared to a friend's 8 MP camera, just because my 2 MP camera was top of the line when it was new and his 8 MP was a $75 give away model. Reply
doobydoo - Thursday, October 20, 2011 - linkJust because there are exceptions doesn't mean we should ignore a clear correlation. The majority of phone cameras which have higher megapixel cameras take more detailed pictures and can obviously zoom in more without losing quality.
I'm seeing no evidence here to suggest that the camera has improved anything which should lead us to ignore the aforementioned correlation. Reply
Paulman - Thursday, October 20, 2011 - linkTheoretically, more megapixels often results in LOWER image quality. Because with cell phone cameras, you're usually bound by noise and low-light performance, which is a direct result of smaller pixels.
So a lower megapixel camera should outperform a higher megapixel camera in a smartphone in indoor or low-light settings. The only time it won't is if you need to crop / want to zoom in digitally, and only if there's already LOTS of light (e.g. outdoors during the day). But if you're taking an outdoor daytime shot, the majority of users won't care if the image is 5MP or 8MP because they're going to upload it to Facebook / Twitter straight from their phone, anyways, so it's going to be downsampled.
HOWEVER, where doobydoo may have a point though is that typically a 5MP camera will be OLDER than an 8MP camera - in other words, it's not just lower megapixels, but the 8MP camera may be made on a better silicon process, etc. Case in point: iPhone 4's 5MP camera vs the BETTER (in low-light) iPhone 4S 8MP camera sensor. It's better in low-light because of backside illumination, NOT because of the megapixel increase.
Really, I'm just curious to see what this 5MP sensor is really like. Maybe it's quite advanced? :P Reply
doobydoo - Thursday, October 20, 2011 - linkAs you say, the only way a lower megapixel camera would outperform a higher megapixel camera is if they hadn't made the necessary changes to allow the same level of light to be captured per pixel, that was a big selling point of the iPhone 4 camera, which would only happen with poor engineering.
The point is, that improvement HAS happened in the iPhone 4s, as you say - and that is the phone to which this one will be compared - and as a result the major difference is simply resolution.
Resolution on its own is important consideration anyway - it simply means more available pixels which can capture more minute details. I think it's fair to say that the iPhone 4S camera is likely to take better photographs than this one. Reply
Skiddywinks - Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - linkAnd a worse GPU. Reply
doobydoo - Thursday, October 20, 2011 - linkThe Galaxy S2 also has a faster GPU in the Mali-400, both of which are significantly slower than the 543 found in the iPhone 4S Reply
Death666Angel - Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - linkNice stuff, though that has been known for quite a while. :D
Because of the screen, I'd be tempted to make the switch to this from my SGS2. But I'll hold off until next year when we see 720p without pentile and 28nm SoCs. Hopefull this phone along with ICS will mean better utilisation of the phone hardware in games and other applications. :-) Reply
doobydoo - Thursday, October 20, 2011 - linkYour SGS2 is a better phone, with a faster GPU and a better camera.
If I was you, I'd keep it. Reply
Pessimism - Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - linkI'm still waiting for when Samsung gets the message that people don't want a $700 phone with a cheap plastic housing. I don't give a hoot if the phone weighs a few grams less or more, I want durability. Reply
zorxd - Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - linkPlastic is more durable than just about anything else on a phone. Unlike metal which transmit the shock (or glass that just break), plastic absorbs a little, which means your phone have more chances surviving a drop on the street. A lighter phone also has more chances of surviving and plastic is light. Reply
KnightBreed - Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - linkI am glad they are sticking with plastic. The metal housing in my Incredible2 sucks. I've dropped it from a moderate height (clumsy me) and the metal dents and gouges like cheap aluminum foil.
We have a few Nexus S 4G's at work for development that have been dropped a bunch of times. Nothing but a few scuffs on the case.
Besides most people just put a case on it anyway. I prefer to leave my phone naked, which is why I prefer the plastic body. Reply
Zan Lynx - Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - linkThe nubbly rubber case I put on my galaxy S phone has saved it from taking a hard knock a bunch of times. Reply
doobydoo - Thursday, October 20, 2011 - linkThe thing is, with plastic phones, they are ugly by default.
With metal phones, at least they start out looking good. I personally never drop my phone so my metal cased-phone still looks excellent.
Your plastic covered phone looks cheap and old whether you've dropped it or not.
Having to cover it up with a case kinda proves that point. Reply
Omid.M - Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - linkIt's worth it for the Google updates alone (and pure Vanilla Android), else the SoC is so boring. I really wish Krait was out or that they used a special version of Exynos. I'd be willing to forgo LTE for that.
@moids Reply
IeraseU - Thursday, October 20, 2011 - linkI'm considering this phone and the iPhone 4S. I like the larger and higher resolution screen of the Galaxy Nexus, but the iPhone 4S has a better camera and Siri. Hmm, I guess I'll wait until I can try them both to make a decision. Reply
satishnramtreare - Thursday, December 15, 2011 - linkWhere is my complete full blown Galaxy Nexus review? Reply
ashan616 - Saturday, April 13, 2013 - linkGalaxy S4 Camera 13 megapixel is supported by the 12 shooting modes. Reply


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These were the good old days for Sega. Its Genesis system was a rousing success. It was drawing gamers away from the video game industry's reigning champion, the Nintendo Entertainment System, and forced its rival to release the Super Nintendo in 1991. Most importantly, it had gained a mascot in Sonic The Hedgehog that could go toe-to-toe with Nintendo's Mario. Unfortunately, Sonic's lighter-than-air incarnation proved a bit more unwieldy than his video game counterpart. It crashed into a streetlight at Columbus Circle (this happens a lot during parade history, which really makes us wonder about streetlight placement along the parade route). The debris from the light injured an off-duty cop, a big no-no in NYC. Sonic disappeared from the parade lineup for two decades, while Sega began a slow slide into obscurity that began with the release of the poorly received Sega Saturn in 1995 and ended with Sega out of the console game altogether by 2001. The next time Sonic appeared in the Thanksgiving parade in 2011, it was as a character in Mario & Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic Games for former rival Nintendo's 3DS system. How deflating.