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Logitech G710+ Mechanical Keyboard and G600 MMO Mouse Reviewby Dustin Sklavos on 10/9/2012 12:01 AM EST
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jigglywiggly - Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - linkwho wants brownies
give me cherry mx red Reply
Tasslehoff - Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - linkAnother red switches keyboard? Are you kidding?
Almost 80% of mechanical keyboards use linear switches, most of them use red ones...
A new brown or blue switches keyboard is really really welcome! Reply
althaz - Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - linkAre you crazy? Browns are probably 1000x times nicer to use than Reds. Reds are popular, but only with manufacturers, not the people who actually have and use mechanical keyboards. You'll be seeing more and more browns I suspect as from what I've read on forums and seen from people who have tried them, almost everybody likes browns. Reds are better than blacks, but that's about it.
Blues are a bit too clicky for me and don't feel as nice to game on (amazing for typing though), but I can see the appeal for some folks (non-gamers especially, I have thought of getting something with blue switches for work, but my workmates may not like it :))
Still, all that said, I don't think I'd buy a Logitech keyboard almost regardless of reviews, there are just better quality units out there and I'm not a big fan of keyboards that look fancy :). Reply
sking.tech - Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - linkActually Blacks are the most common, reds up until recently were extremely hard to find. Of course after I paid 150 bucks for my hard to find cherry red - they started popping up everywhere <grumble>.
MX browns are actually one of the least desirable switch types. Reply
kepstin - Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - linkAs a Model M user who was looking for a quieter mechanical keyboard that still had a bit of feel to it, I ended up settling on the browns. The unfortunate thing is that they really do have low resistance; I end up bottoming out the keys with every press. I'm actually modding the keyboard with rubber o-rings to soften the landing a bit...
What I'd actually love to find is a Cherry "Clear" switch keyboard - bigger tactile bump, more resistance. But there are so few keyboards with them... Reply
Mr Perfect - Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - linkThe clears are definitely hard to find. Off hand, you can check Ebay for the Cherry G80-8113 or Cherry G80-8200, though you have to be careful since both models also come available with browns. A heavily used POS board of clears feels lighter then a board of new clears, but still far more tactile then the browns. Beyond the POS boards there was a limited run of Leopold FC200Rs with clears in them, but that was about a year ago and you'd have to pick one up used. The other option would be to get a board and swap clears into it. With PCB mounted switches, like those found on the Cherry G80-3000, it's pretty easy. Switch swapping on boards with plate mounted switches leaves you a lot of soldering to do. Reply
dcsquare - Saturday, October 13, 2012 - linkI actually have a clear switch Cherry G80-3000LQCEU-0, bought six months ago from Germany. While it's very nice to type with, it's not a very good choice for gaming. At least for me. On Diablo 3 it consistently did not register some key presses. Reply
Impulses - Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - linkYou're making way too big a deal out of the difference between browns and reds... I have keyboards with both types (K90 & a Rosewill) and to me they feel almost identical. The tactile bump on browns is very very subtle, to the point that it's imperceptible while typing quickly if you're not used to it (a little more noticeable while gaming).
Vast majority of people that can deal with brown could deal with red,and vice versa. A lot of it's very subjective tho, if you've been using browns a long time then you'll be more used to the slight bump... At the same time, if you've been using reds a while it's not hard to get used to the key travel and avoid bottoming out while typing, even without any tactile feedback.
Blue's tactile click is world's apart IMO. A lot of people describe browns as an in-between reds and blues but to me browns feel much closer to reds. There isn't a best or better switch tho, there isn't even a better switch for typing or gaming, it's all subject to personal preference.
There's also plenty of variety on the market at this point, it's kinda silly to argue whether X manufacturer's model should use Y switch or Z switch based on what else is on the market. You've got tons of choices between old standbys like Das, Filco, Ducky, and even Rosewill's rebrands and newer entrants like Coolermaster, Corsair, Monoprice, and now Logitech. Reply
Impulses - Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - linkMany of those manufacturers also make models with multiple switch options too. Reply
Old_Fogie_Late_Bloomer - Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - linkThis is pretty much the first time I've heard someone say that the difference between browns and reds is subtle to the point of irrelevant. I'm looking for something that's good for typing (light weight, not too prone to accidental keypresses, some feedback to keep you from bottoming out) and also for gaming (again, light weight and not prone to unintended presses, but also smooth and responsive).
The browns seemed like the obvious choice as a compromise. Were I only looking for a typing board, and wanted something with real audio/tactile feedback, I'd probably go for a Unicomp over something made with blues, but I don't really feel like either would be ideal for gaming. Well, definitely not the Unicomp, which is 2KRO.
Are you really arguing that browns just aren't that different from reds? I'm not challenging you, I'm genuinely curious. I don't need something with a transition as obvious as that of a spring buckling, but I would like some noticable tactile feedback. Reply
Impulses - Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - linkYeah, that's what I'm saying, the brown switches on my Rosewill RK-9000 just don't feel very different from my K90... If I sit there and poke the key slowly (or stab it repeatedly, i.e. gaming) then I'll be much more aware of the feedback... During fast typing I don't really notice it much though.
I'm sure if I spent some time with it maybe I could get accustomed to feeling it out, but I'm not really alone in this, I've seen lots of people express the same sentiment over at the keyboard & mouse sub forum at Hardforums. Other people swear by their brown boards though, maybe they're more sensitive to the subtle feedback. It's a very subjective thing. Amazon has a good return policy if you don't have any local options and you wanna order different keyboards to try out.
The Rosewill board I have should be fairly representative of other keyboards with browns too (perhaps unlike the Logitech in the review, the comments about dampening and pressure required make it sound weird), AFAIK they're actually Filco rebrands. Reply
ol1bit - Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - linkI like the rubber kind of key feedback. No clicky stuff for me. Never liked the old IBM keyboards. Modern/lite feel is for me. Reply
2kfire - Tuesday, July 07, 2015 - linkJust thought I'd mention for others reading these posts, mechanical switches are actually quite "lite" compared to most membrane switches.
I went from a standard Dell to a keyboard with blues. I had never noticed until I made the switch (pun intended), but with the Dell I had to mash the keys, whereas with the blues, I just need to softly, EVER so lightly tap them :) Reply
Old_Fogie_Late_Bloomer - Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - linkThanks for responding. I've been a little reluctant to commit to a purchase and your input certainly isn't making me feel more confident. :-P I tend to hit the keyboard pretty hard; something tells me I'd plow right past the "tactile bump" without even noticing. Maybe I should just get a Unicomp for day-to-day typing and see how I feel about it for gaming. I mean, I can circle-strafe just fine with this worn-out old Dell, so... Reply
Impulses - Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - linkDo note that reds (and any Cherry key switch) will exhibit the same bottom out feedback tho, so if you tend to bottom out you'll still get that sharp clack that's signature of mechanical boards (those with plate mounted switches anyway)...
What's missing (and less accentuated on browns) is that mid travel click that lets you know the switch has been depressed.
If you get used to not bottoming out you get nothing, and technically that mid way click is there to let you know when you've pressed far enough... Some people get used to it even without that feedback, others never do and always bottom out. That's part of what makes switch types a personal choice.
When gaming oost Reply
Impulses - Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - linkBlah, pressed post too soon...
When gaming you'll invariably bottom out. Either way a Cherry switch still feels very different from a rubber dome. Some people don't seem to get that, all Cherry switches provide mostly even pressure all thru their travel. Rubber domes never give you that. Rubber domes always end in a mushy bottom and always require bottoming out. Reply
MrSpadge - Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - linkI do. In fact, I already have a "brownie" keyboard. Feels much better to me than blacks (couldn't lay my hands on reds yet, though). Reply
karasaj - Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - linkI like Browns and Blues a lot more actually for RTS games. I'm a fan. Reply
Old_Fogie_Late_Bloomer - Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - linkFrom everything I've read, I'm looking to get a brown keyboard, too...still rocking a crappy Dell I got free from my last job. At this price, though, I'd rather get a fully customized WASD with preinstalled O-rings. Maybe I can type on this a little in a Best Buy somewhere to get a better sense of the brown feel. Reply
piroroadkill - Wednesday, October 10, 2012 - linkMe, definitely. I paid a lot of money for a fully custom WASD with browns. Reply
Cannyone - Thursday, April 11, 2013 - linkI prefer "Blacks" because they actually have some resistance... But everyone else seems to be such a bunch of wimps that complain about the actuation force. *deep sigh
Still if I had to choose between reds and browns I'd pick the browns hands down. Hence this keyboard is the first Logitech that's interested me in a few years. But that mouse is not going to cut it! Sometimes simpler is simply superior. Reply
Swiper34 - Thursday, January 07, 2016 - linkA lot of League of Legends pros use the Browns, seems like its 50/50 between Browns and Reds.
Source: http://lolsetup.on-winning.com Reply
blackmagnum - Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - linkA decent evolutionary product of the Logitech gaming line, but compared to the Razer BlackWidow, it looks too awkward and distracting. Reply
Samus - Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - linkLogitech has been mainstream for years, it's getting really annoying. They used to release groundbreaking stuff at a palatable price but they're obviously playing catchup to almost everybody in every product segment.
Remember the beginning of the MX-series mice? The G15 keyboard? The G25 steering wheel with a 6 speed shifter!? All affordable and good quality.
Not they just have run of the mill stuff with spotty reliability. My DiNovo Edge has died twice (now out of warranty) and it was a $150 keyboard...wont be buying another one thats for sure Reply
Omega215D - Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - linkI'd never thought I'd see the day Logitech would put out a mechanical keyboard, let alone a gaming version with a brown switch (blues/ blacks seem to be the most common in gaming boards). The price is decent... maybe it'll grow on me enough to want to buy it. Reply
Chaitanya - Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - linkFinally, after so many days of waiting for mechanical keyboard, logitech delivered a good one. though like some other logitech products customisable backlight would have gone nicely with this keyboard. Reply
dishayu - Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - linkI love my Cherry MX "louder than hell" Blues in the blackwidow ultimate and have no plans to switch. Reply
HisDivineOrder - Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - linkI tried a Blackwidow Ultimate and the loudness was actually beginning to make my teeth rattle. I could feel the clicks in my bones. I switched to a Blackwidow Ultimate Stealth and briefly had them side by side.
Let me tell you something. The typing experience on the Blues was very, very mildly better in tactile response and so insanely loud--a mind piercing clicking that could drive lesser men to become axe murderers--that I'd upgrade it to the Stealth 10 times out of 10. The Browns are quieter enough to make an incredible difference in usage. I remember reading one review of the BWU that said, "I started hesitating to use my keyboard because of how long it was." That was me. It was THAT loud.
That said, I can't imagine giving up the tactile response of the Blues or Browns, though. That's part of what makes them awesome for typing. I type more than I game, so the lack of response on the Reds or Black's is kinda meh for that usage.
For gaming, though, I can imagine Reds being better. Not Blacks, not with their higher resistance, but Red's being the Brown's without the feedback, I can see it.
Hell, the BWUS has better rollover, matte finish, is still blue backlit, and it is DAMN quieter. Oh, and it still feels worlds better than any other gaming keyboard. Yeah, BWUS. Forget BWU. Reply
RoninX - Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - linkIt's a matter of personal preference.
I like the clickiness and audible (as well as tactile) feedback of the Blues on my Blackwidow Ultimate -- for both typing and gaming. But then, I also liked the original IBM PC keyboard, which was even louder. Reply
RoninX - Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - linkOn the other hand, I have refrained from bringing a BWU to work, since it might be a bit distracting in an office cubicle environment... Reply
althaz - Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - linkI can understand where you are coming from with the clicking of the blues, but some people actually really like that (my wife for instance, though not when somebody else is typing :)). I'm with you though, Browns are much less annoying and also are better for gaming.
On the BlackWidow line themselves, there are MUCH better keyboards out there, Logitech keyboards, in the mechanical keyboard enthusiast community, are fairly poorly regarded (though other than the paint coming off one of their keyboards for a friend, I've never personally had a problem). Reply
althaz - Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - linklol, said logitech, but meant Razer. Got confused because they both had the paint peeling off problem :)... Reply
dishayu - Wednesday, October 10, 2012 - linkLikewise here. I adore the aural feedback of the blues and won't trade it for silence but I hate it when someone else is using my PC and i'm trying to do something else (although that is very VERY rare). B Reply
twtech - Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - linkThere seem to be a lot of mechanical keyboards popping up lately, but none with the split ergonomic design.
I know there are more people who use the straight layout, but most programmers, etc. that I know use the ergonomic layout, and are the type of people who are willing to drop $150 on a keyboard if it will deliver a better typing experience. Reply
althaz - Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - linkI know a lot of programmers and developers and none of them use ergonomic keyboards. You are right that many of us would drop $150 on a keyboard without a second thought, but nobody I've known in the industry the last ten years would use an ergonomic keyboard over a mechanical one. There will certainly be some (somebody likes everything), but I wouldn't think very many. Reply
jamyryals - Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - linkSame here. No developers I know use the split keyboard layout. The evidence has shown keyboard position relative to height has a much larger effect on wrist fatigue. Reply
Conficio - Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - linkSecond this one. There are $350 models out there. But that is really asking a lot. Reply
Old_Fogie_Late_Bloomer - Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - linkAs a transcriptionist I eventually had to use an ergonomic keyboard, and it did seem to help a bit (my wrists are still jacked from that job, but thankfully programming and emailing cause a lot less wear than 60+ pages in an eight-hour shift). The day I left that job is the last day I will ever use an ergonomic keyboard, because of the association with all the things I had to type on it. :-P
I've already readjusted to normal keyboards (I never stopped using one at home, and laptops don't have them) and I can't imagine what a pain it would be to program on one (I have no intention of trying it). A mechanical keyboard is on my shopping list, and I suspect something like a brown with O-rings would ultimately be more helpful for my wrists than the split keyboard ever was. Reply
Impulses - Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - linkI write a fair bit of code at school and I used a MS Natural 4000 ergo until last year, I've been much happier with my mechanical keyboards since I made the switch though. Reply
Holly - Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - linkTbh everybody should choose keyboard by trying to type on them. Lots of keyboards pple can deny after pressing few keys simply because it obviously doesn't fit them. Some pple will prefer more rigid, some will prefer more soft touch. For me... I just can't find anything on these super gaming keyboards that would appeal to me. I use M$ Natural Ergonomic keyb 4000 and in the end and after trying many (and wasting lots of money) I finally have something that fits my hands well. Reply
AmdInside - Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - linkCan you comment on the brightness of the backlit keys please? I own a Logitech G110 which I had to retire early because the backlit keys were very dim which is a feedback I've read a lot on the internet about the model. I moved onto a mechnical keyboard with Cherry MX which I find perfect for my mixed gaming/office productivity needs but would be nice to get a Logitech keyboard as I could use the macro keys and backlit keys since I don't like to have the light on in the office at night. Reply
Dustin Sklavos - Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - linkBRIGHT. But adjustable. :) Reply
DanNeely - Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - linkThe nearest Fry's/Microcenters are a full days round trip driving; and while WorstBuy claims "available now" for most of Razer's keyboards; that apparently means "can be shipped to the store same day for pickup"; since when I went to my local location they didn't have any of them out and the instore version of their website indicated not stocked locally. Reply
ScytheNoire - Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - linkI've had the G600 since I could first buy it and so far it's my favourite mouse on the market. Possibly favourite mouse ever (and that's a lot of mice).
Between the G600 and the Razer Naga Epic, the G600 wins, hands down, easily. I haven't had my hands on the Corsair M90, but I suspect that the thumb key layout would bother me. G600 fits my hand perfectly and the concave thumb buttons is what makes it superior to the Razer Naga Epic, I can always tell where my thumb is in relation to the buttons.
I've been looking for a mechanical keyboard, was tossing around the Corsair K90, but might also check out this new Logitech one. I think I really need to find a store that carries a lot of mechanical keyboards so I can really test them out before plunking down the money they cost. Reply
maximumGPU - Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - link" The problem is that the Browns feel like they have higher resistance than the Blues, Reds, or Blacks even though they're actually specced to have the least resistance. They may actually be bottoming out faster, but either way they put vastly more stress on my wrists than the other switches do. I'll have to see how the Rosewill keyboard I have in house with Cherry MX Brown switches plays out, but I can tell you the G710+'s feedback feels more like stiff membrane keys than the other mechanical keyboards I've used. "
i find that very odd. I have both Blues and Browns and i can definitely sense the extra stiffness of the blue keys, no question about that. Could there be another explanation to your findings?
on another notte, I know a lot of folks generalise statements like Blues are better for typing, etc... but really every advice for mech keyboards is useless. It's a case of try out what's best for you.
Case in point, i'm a very light touch typist, and i far prefer Browns over Blues for both typing and gaming. Reply
Old_Fogie_Late_Bloomer - Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - linkThis doesn't sound like descriptions I've read of other brown keyboards, so I wonder what's up with this one...browns should have the same operating force as the reds, except for the little catch where it actuates. They definitely should feel lighter than blues. Reply
Impulses - Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - linkMy Rosewill with browns feels almost identical to my K90 with reds, I barely even notice the tactile bump with typing since I don't use the Rosewill a lot (it's more noticeable while gaming but then I usually bottom out regardless so it's kinda moot). Logitech might've tried to innovate somehow and screwed up the standard feel of browns. Reply
lyeoh - Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - linkCan we have some benchmarks and stats please? What are the various button and key latencies in milliseconds?
How fast can the mouse be moved and still track accurately (cm/inches per second)? What's the mouse update rate for this? 1000Hz? 500Hz?
What's the repeatability of the mouse? e.g. set it to linear, place it on position A, move it to position B X cm away at Y cm per second. Move it back to A (you can use guide rails or similar to limit the movement) then see if the pointer is still at the same spot.
How many keys on the keyboard can be pressed at the same time before they stop being detected (excluding the modifier keys)? Which keys are those for maximum? Reply
Holly - Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - linkActually keys hit at once generally become problem in software processing much earlier than hardware, even for my primitive D3D semestral work I had to implement my own keyboard handler to have it working properly for more complex actions. Reply
ahamling27 - Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - linkI've been using the Monoprice Backlit Macro Mechancial Gaming Keyboard(Apparently, Monoprice calls their products how they see them) for about 3 months now to game and type on and it's been a pleasurable experience to say the least. It's got Cherry MX Reds and is backlit red, with 4 birghtness settings and a pulse setting. It also has 2 usb 2.0 ports and 3.5 mm audio in and headphone jacks.
Many dismiss it because it uses the shell of an existing brand that has since gone out of business but I can attest that the innards are far from similar. It's priced less than this Logitech keyboard, and you can sometimes find it on sale for less than $100.
I hope you would consider calling Monoprice up and ask for one to review. Monoprice is known for their quality and it shows in this keyboard. Reply
Impulses - Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - linkYeah, a review of MP's boards along with the newer backlit Rosewills would be nice, they're some of the best values around... Though the deal I caught for my K90 at $85 was also pretty sweet, and Newegg seems to run it every 3-4 months so it's worth keeping an eye out for, if you can forgive it's one flaw anyway (the subset of keys with rubber dome switches). Reply
Azethoth - Thursday, October 11, 2012 - linkThat's not the flaw. The one true flaw is the sticky keys. Once a day or so a key just goes bananas. It would be amusing, but what if it undoes all your code changes in a file, or kills your hardcore character. No bueno. Reply
antef - Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - linkCompare this to say the MS Natural 4000 or Comfort Curve 3000. They're both "softer" typing keyboards but of course there is still plenty of "feedback." I'm not sure what extra "feedback" above and beyond that you could want, or why you'd want it. It's only going to make things louder and less pleasant. And what about speed? Less key-travel (shallower) and less resistance should lead to faster typing. What is good about tall, clackety keys? Reply
Impulses - Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - linkIt's a personal preference thing, mechanical keys actuate halfway thru their travel tho, unlike rubber domes which require you to bottom out (more stress) every single time in order for the key press to register. Neither's technically a deeper travel key tho, unlike you're comparing it to slimmer rubber dome boards or scissor boards with laptop style keys.
If you're not bottoming out on a mechanical keyboard you actually produce very little noise, particularly with browns or reds... It's actually quieter than a membrane keyboard. I used various iterations of MS Natural keyboards for about fifteen years before going with a mechanical and tbh I haven't looked back. Took me maybe a week to adjust and as a side benefit I also don't experience as much of an abrupt switch when I type on my laptop more.
It's not for everyone, but I wouldn't dismiss it without trying one. Reply
antef - Wednesday, October 10, 2012 - linkThanks, maybe I should try one sometime, but I'm not sure where to find one. How are they on wrist fatigue? "Ergo" options are dwindling so it would be nice to know of good straight keyboards that still provide comfort. It seems impossible to use straight keyboards at a good wrist angle, but as others have said, maybe other factors end up mattering more. Reply
Impulses - Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - linkWhy is everyone making such a big deal about the G600's size btw? Dustin seems to indicate it's too big for him but his own G500 looks bigger... At least from what I can gather while trying the G600 out thru the awful box cutout Logitech made for it, the thing is cut almost like they don't want people to know about the third button (mouse is tilted in/back on the right side)...
I went to the store explicitly because I liked that third button design, I'm not sure I like the general/smaller shape tho. Gonna have to try it out elsewhere once it's out for display, or buy it to try out at some point (Best Buy here has it at $88 tho, ouch). Reply
shin0bi272 - Wednesday, October 10, 2012 - linknot every one uses the default WASD controls there logitech. Plus the winning answer is cherry mx blacks not brown. Reply
Inteli - Thursday, November 29, 2012 - linkIgnorant Much? I personally use a Cherry MX Brown keyboard for gaming and i find it just fine. I've heard Cherry MX Blacks vary in quality a lot as well. And, if you knew anything about mechanical keyboards, you would know that the keys are replaceable. Just petition Logitech to release keycaps more oriented to ESDF. However, WASD is the industry standard, and it make more sense that if you're gonna cater to a certain way of moving your character to use the industry standard. If you like Cherry MX Blacks, that's cool, nobody minds, but there are already plenty of MX Black keyboards out there, most suited to gaming, and honestly, I've heard that most people really like Reds or Browns for gaming rather than Blacks. I know I certainly prefer them. Don't say something just based on what you like/what caters to you. Likely (unless you like Cherry MX Greens or Clears) there are keyboards that cater to you, so get someone else's keyboard. Logitech's not gonna be weeping because not everyone buys a Logitech Mechanical Keyboard. Reply
Peanutsrevenge - Wednesday, October 10, 2012 - linkPlease tell me the keyboard comes with replaceable black WSAD / Arrow keys and that the god awful orange strip is removable/replaceable!
Might work with an OC Gigabyte based system I guess :D Reply
Hrel - Thursday, October 11, 2012 - linkI know you can't review everything; but I really wish you had a review for the G700. Wired/wireless mouse. I really like that it can be either, but I'm hesitant about the type of plastic they used on it, soft touch or gtfo. I don't like that hard plastic either.
On another note I've been seeing a lot of NAS boxes using ARM processors now, can we get some reviews on those? I mean, how can it be fully functional running on ARM? Reply
Sabresiberian - Thursday, October 11, 2012 - linkI have 2 G15s; the ones with 18 G-keys on the side. I understand that many people don't like that many because of the extra width, and they don't need that many extra macro keys, but I do use them and so this keyboard is somewhat of a disappointment to me despite its other qualities.
Logitech did a nice job here, I know many people have been asking the company to build a mechanical keyboard and they will be thrilled with this one, but it misses the mark for me. Reply
Systembolaget - Thursday, October 11, 2012 - link...FILCO Majestouch Ninja tenkeyless keyboards. These plasticky Logitech devices are pure junk without minimalist aesthetic appeal and build quality. With FILCOs, you could literally hammer a nail in the wall. A red Esc. key is a must.
For those, who don't know 'em http://www.diatec.co.jp/en/det.php?prod_c=775 available in various languages, too. Reply
hellashes - Thursday, October 11, 2012 - linki wonder whats the length of the keyboard? im having a lot of troubles choosing one cos my desk is not too big and long keyboard take on my mouse space. Reply
Inteli - Thursday, November 29, 2012 - linkIf you REALLY need a keyboard that doesn't take up a lot of space, get a Tenkeyless keyboard unless you DESPERATELY need the number pad. They save a ton of space.
www.elitekeyboards.com sells a few in the major switch types. Reply
SirGCal - Thursday, October 11, 2012 - linkI recently got a brown key setup. LOVE it. This I would love even more-so, but did I miss somewhere if it also had PS2 capable n-key rollover? I think this one is only limited to 26 keys. I refuse to use USB limited keyboards because of this. (and at my best, I was very near world-record typing speeds). My current brown does have n-key rollover as long as used with the supplied USB->PS2 adapter. Unfortunately, even a very nice 26 key can catch me sometimes. N-key is my one must-have in any keyboard first and formost. Unfortunately, it's also severely limiting to my resulting choices. I had hopes for this one but... I hope I'm wrong and it does include n-key.
I actually like blacks myself. Super quiet. But require a bit more force. Browns are my 2nd favorite. I don't like reds or blues. And I had near world record typing speed, just never did get the noise. And I too grew up with old-school typewriters and apple/TI brick computers. I'm getting up there myself but the noise always messed with me. But I love the feel. Black is my preferred for gaming though. Again, just personal preference. Brown for typing but gaming is also very nice. But I tend to get excited and false-press on my brown far more-so then I do with my blacks. Reply
sean.crees - Friday, October 12, 2012 - linkI can see it now, I'm going to need ear protection to use the computer labs now because of how obnoxiously loud all the mechanical keyboards are. Reply
Inteli - Thursday, November 29, 2012 - linkWhat mechanical keyboards have you used? They aren't that loud unless you get Cherry MX Blues or Greens. Browns (seen here) are fairly mild, even when bottoming out. Plus, Mechanical Keyboards aren't gonna be industry standard again for a while, if ever again, so I wouldn't expect to have Mechanical Keyboards in school computer labs anytime soon. Reply
Zak - Friday, October 12, 2012 - linkI use inverted T arrows for movement, and I know others who do so, so those gaming keys on the far left are useless to us. Reply
Inteli - Thursday, November 29, 2012 - linkAnd though not everyone does use the WASD keys, it is the industry standard. Plus, if they annoy you, you can always just get a set of black keys to replace it. Reply
DrTeeth707 - Saturday, October 27, 2012 - linkThe problem is, I buy an illuminated board for a reason, to see all the characters lit up. This keyboard has many keys with the two characters vertically placed - so only the top character gets illuminated - the lower one is VERY difficult to see. Some mech keyboard makers have characters next to each other (horizontally) in the top half of the keys so they BOTH get illuminated. Just returned a Ducky 9008 shine II because of this.
Because of this I will have to get a membrane board.
DrT Reply
xchaotic - Friday, November 02, 2012 - linkI think they made a lot of right choices with the G710+ - I use MX Browns now as it's an excellent compromise for work and gaming.
The most annoying part is of course the click noises while on a call as the microphone pick up that noise a lot - if the G710+ reduces it at least a little that would be a godsend for me... Reply
Inteli - Thursday, November 29, 2012 - linkWell the G710+ uses o-rings on the bottom to soften the landing, making it quieter. And still, you don't have to get a brand new keyboard just because it has O-rings. WASDKeyboards.com sells packs of o-rings in 3 varieties to quiet mechanical keyboards. Reply
Inteli - Thursday, November 29, 2012 - linkMentioning one of my favorite games... :D Reply


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Former UF player Hernandez charged with murder
Published: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 at 9:08 a.m.
Last Modified: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 at 3:31 p.m.
Patriots release Hernandez
The New England Patriots have announced the release of tight end Aaron Hernandez following his arrest in the investigation of a homicide last week in North Attleboro, Mass.
The New England Patriots issued the following statement: "A young man was murdered last week and we extend our sympathies to the family and friends who mourn his loss. Words cannot express the disappointment we feel knowing that one of our players was arrested as a result of this investigation. We realize that law enforcement investigations into this matter are ongoing. We support their efforts and respect the process. At this time, we believe this transaction is simply the right thing to do."
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Lloyd's family members cried and hugged in the courtroom as the prosecutor outlined the killing. Two relatives were so overcome with emotion that they had to leave the courtroom. McCauley said the crime stemmed from a night out at a Boston club called Rumor on June 14. He said Hernandez was upset about certain things, including that Lloyd had talked to some people Hernandez "had troubles with." Two days later, McCauley said, on the night of June 16, Hernandez texted two friends from out of state and asked them to hurry back to Massachusetts. Surveillance footage from outside Hernandez's home showed him leaving with a gun, and he told someone in the house that he was upset and couldn't trust anyone anymore, the prosecutor said. The three men picked up Lloyd at his home around 2:30 a.m., according to authorities. As they drove around, they discussed what happened at the nightclub, and Lloyd started getting nervous, McCauley said. Lloyd texted his sister, "Did you see who I am with?" When she asked who, he answered, at 3:22 a.m., "NFL," then, a minute later, "Just so you know." Within a few minutes, people working the overnight shift at the industrial park reported hearing gunshots, McCauley said. Investigators did not specify who fired the shots and did not identify the two other people who were with Hernandez. Hernandez had recently installed a surveillance system and had 14 cameras inside and outside the house, according to McCauley, who said Detectives found footage was missing from the six or eight hours after the slaying. In arguing unsuccessfully for bail, Hernandez's attorney said the athlete is unlikely to flee, is a homeowner, and lives with his fiancee and an 8-month-old baby. He also said Hernandez had never been accused of a violent crime. As he was led from his home in the morning, Hernandez was wearing a white V-neck T-shirt, with his arms inside the shirt and behind his back. He spit into some bushes on his way to a police cruiser. Later, as he was taken from the North Attleborough police station to court, two dozen supporters cheered, some yelling, "We love you, Aaron!" "Words cannot express the disappointment we feel knowing that one of our players was arrested as a result of this investigation," the Patriots said in a statement announcing he had been cut. The team added: "We realize that law enforcement investigations into this matter are ongoing. We support their efforts and respect the process. At this time, we believe this transaction is simply the right thing to do." The Patriots drafted Hernandez, who is originally from Bristol, Conn., in 2010 out of the University of Florida, where he was an All-American. During the draft, one team said it wouldn't take him under any circumstances, and he was passed over by one club after another before New England took him in the fourth round. Afterward, Hernandez said he had failed a drug test in college — reportedly for marijuana — and was up front with teams about it. In other off-the-field troubles, a Florida man filed a lawsuit last week claiming Hernandez shot him in the face after they argued at a strip club in February. And The Boston Globe reported that Hernandez lost his temper and threatened a teammate during an argument in the team's weight room shortly after he was drafted. Hernandez became a father on Nov. 6, and said he intended to change his ways: "Now, another one is looking up to me. I can't just be young and reckless Aaron no more. I'm going to try to do the right things."
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Trojans roll over Whitnall, 46-15
A surprising Wauwatosa West football team blew away Whitnall, 46-15, on Friday at West.
The win improved the Trojans record to 2-0, with 96 points scored in those two games.
Mickey Morgan got the Trojans on the board with a 20-yard TD run at 10:17 of the first period and then intercepted a pass and raced in from 45 yards out for a 14-0 lead with 8:32 left in the first quarter.
Jarod Morzinski then tossed a 21-yard TD pass to Develyn Ferguson for a 20-0 lead at 9:13 of the second period.
After Whitnall QB Zach Sutton ran for a 5-yard TD and Sam Mentkowski grabbed the 2-point conversion to cut the lead to 20-8 with 7:50 left in the half, running back Jameson Brock raced down the left sideline, weaved in and out of traffic two or three times and scored a 92-yard TD run for a 26-8 lead with 4:53 left in the half.» Read Full Article
Anodyne Coffee plans to open location in Wauwatosa Village
Anodyne Coffee Roasting Co. has plans to open a cafe along Harwood Avenue in the Village of Wauwatosa.Locally-owned
The cafe would move into a vacant spot next to Niemann's Candies and Ice Cream at 7471 Harwood Ave. According to a letter sent to city staff by owners and couple Matthew McClutchy and Lacee Perry, the location next to Niemann's is strategic.
"We respect the tremendous near 100-year-history of Niemann's Candies and Ice Cream," the letter said. "Anodyne will complement what they do and add to that tradition by creating a similar, long term business serving its neighbors and visitors to the Village of Tosa."
The coffee shop would offer brewed coffee, espresso, tea and other drink options. Food selections would include bagels, soup, quiche and yogurt. A diverse craft beer and wine (by the bottle or glass) are also included on the proposed menu.
The business, which also sells wholesale coffee, already operates retail cafes in Bay View, Walker's Point and inside the Milwaukee Public Market.» Read Full Article
Initial Reaction Podcast: Menomonee Falls baseball virtuoso Ty Weber and Big Ten Media Day
Lake Country/Now sports director JR Radcliffe and Time Warner Cable Sports Channel's JP Cadorin chat about the Wisconsin sports scene, with an emphasis on Milwaukee-area preps. Find the podcast on Stitcher and iTunes.The guys welcome in Ty Weber, who pitched Menomonee Falls to a second straight WIAA baseball championship with a superb state-tournament performance. Plus, JP and JR talk about revelations (or lack thereof) gleaned from Big Ten media day and offer some thoughts on the Milwaukee Brewers as they approach the trading deadline. Each week,
Wauwatosa West girls basketball coach Ashley Imperiale resigns
Wauwatosa West girls basketball coach Ashley Imperiale has resigned to pursue an administrative position within the school district.
The former Greendale High School star took over the Trojans' program in 2012 after spending one season as a co-coach with Ron Gavinski.
Wauwatosa West went 33-64 in Imperiale's four years at the helm. The program won a playoff game in three of Imperiale's four seasons, making the regional final in 2014 and 2015.
The Trojans went 4-20 last season and finished last in the Woodland West at 3-13. After defeating Milwaukee North, 70-29, in its playoff opener, Wauwatosa West fell 46-25 to rival Wauwatosa East in a regional.
Imperiale started at Greendale from 2003-2007 and was a three-time Woodland Conference Player of the Year. She led the Panthers to a 22-3 mark and a trip to the WIAA state semifinal as a senior in 2007. She went on to play collegiately at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee from 2008-2011.
Store owners, police weigh in on string of protests at Mayfair mall
Protesters have a right to demonstrate, a right to raise their hands and the right to have a voice. Just not inside Mayfair Mall.
That's according to longtime shop owner Abdel Khalek, who runs Egyptian International Art on the mall's first level.
The Egypt native shared those thoughts after demonstrators took to the mall, 2500 N. Mayfair Road, to protest for the third time in recent weeks July 23.
Police estimated that between 70 and 80 people congregated inside the mall around 2 p.m. that day, said Wauwatosa public information officer Lt. Brian Zalewski, forcing the mall to close.
According to various media reports, demonstrators called for justice for Jay Anderson, Jr., who was fatally shot by a Wauwatosa officer June 23 at Madison Park.» Read Full Article
Tosa police will not release squad video of officer-involved shooting
fatal shooting by a Wauwatosa police officer.Jay Anderson, Jr.'s family is demanding more answers after seeing footage of his
Based on what he saw in the video, Jay Anderson, Sr. says his son had his hands up and was trying to talk to the officer when he got shot, though the father said he won't be completely sure what happened unless he can see the rest of the interaction.
District Attorney John Chisholm and Chief Deputy District Attorney Kent Lovern met with the family and their attorney Thursday to show them a 20-second clip of the shooting and to let them listen to several minutes of police dispatch transmissions.
Chisholm then announced he would not object to the Wauwatosa police making the recordings public.
However, Anderson said he doesn't believe the clip of the June 23 shooting tells the whole story.» Read Full Article
Wauwatosa school district files lawsuit against WIAA over conference realignment
conference realignment plan approved by the WIAA Board of Control in April, set to take effect in the 2017-18 school year.The Wauwatosa School District has filed a lawsuit against the WIAA over the
With the lawsuit comes a request for an injunction to stall the realignment plan, which rearranges several schools in the greater Milwaukee area within the Classic 8, Wisconsin Little Ten, Greater Metro, Woodland and North Shore conferences. The legal maneuver seeks to compel the WIAA to scrap its current proposal and start anew.
Wauwatosa was among the districts seeking relief from the current conference alignment in the first place, but Tosa feels its two high schools (West and East) are left in even worse positions following the changes.
In the approved realignment plan, Wauwatosa West would move from the Woodland West to the Greater Metro. Wauwatosa East would stay in the Greater Metro, a league that will only get tougher with the addition of perennial state powerhouse Germantown. Initially, Tosa was hoping for a reverse maneuver, sending East to join West in the Woodland.
"It is really about the future competitive nature of Wauwatosa athletic programs and the ability to remain competitive and field teams," Wauwatosa School District Superintendent Phil Ertl said. "I think, ultimately, we looked at the process that went into place to get to the decision the WIAA came to as being problematic.» Read Full Article
Protest over fatal shooting forces brief closure of Mayfair Mall
Wauwatosa —Protestors demanding justice for the June killing of Jay Anderson by a Wauwatosa police officer marched through Mayfair Mall on Saturday, briefly forcing its closure, Wauwatosa police said.
No arrests were made. Wauwatosa Police Sgt. Kyle Strands said the protestors disbanded without significant incident.
"There wasn't any behavior that warranted any arrests," Strands said.
Strands said an exact count of protestors wasn't available, but it was likely in the dozens. The protest began at about 2 p.m.
A Mayfair Mall security director declined to comment at the scene.» Read Full Article
Reports into fatal Wauwatosa police shooting delivered to DA
The Milwaukee County district attorney's office announced Friday that it had received the final investigative report into the fatal shooting of 25-year-old Jay Anderson by a Wauwatosa police officer.
Milwaukee police led the investigation to fulfill a state law that requires a team of at least two investigators from an outside agency to lead investigations of officer-involved deaths.
According to a statement, District Attorney John Chisholm and Chief Deputy District Attorney Kent Lovern met with members of Anderson's family and their legal representatives and shared the evidence collected by the Milwaukee Police Department.
The evidence includes recordings of officer dispatches before and after the critical incident, video of the incident and reports by the Milwaukee County Medical Examiner and the Wisconsin State Crime Laboratory.
The DA's office did not release a timetable for determining whether the police officer would be criminally charged.» Read Full Article
Social media story on the storms rolling through Milwaukee area
A social media story of the storms that moved through the Milwaukee area during the morning of July 21.
Business Spotlight: Cranky Al's has grown from desperation to a Wauwatosa institution
Susie Brkich never expected to make donuts.
"It came out of sadness," she said. "We had lost everything with a different business venture. It was one of those things. I was racking my brain. What could we do?"
After looking around her new neighborhood -- Brkich and her husband, Alex, moved from Chicago to Milwaukee to start their other restaurant – the idea came.
"I said, 'I think we should do donuts.' And he said, 'Are you crazy?' But I saw all the kids in the community, all the walking traffic, and there were no donut shops."
Then, on a trip back to Chicago, Brkich helped a woman find her car. To say thanks, the woman gave her donuts.» Read Full Article
Initial Reaction Podcast: Wisconsin Badgers football, WIFCA All-Star game
Lake Country/Now sports director JR Radcliffe and Time Warner Cable Sports Channel's JP Cadorin chat about the Wisconsin sports scene, with an emphasis on Milwaukee-area preps. Find the podcast on Stitcher and iTunes.Future football stars in Wisconsin were on the table this week when Ben Worgull of the Badger Nation stopped by to talk about the state of the Badgers gridiron team, which begins in earnest Sept. 3 with a battle at Lambeau Field against LSU. Ben also talked Badgers basketball recruiting and JP and JR discussed the WIFCA All-Star game, featuring a couple future Badgers last weekend. Plus, the baseball state-tourney field is set. Each week,
Michaelis leads Wauwatosa East past rival West in regional
It had been quite some time since the Wauwatosa East baseball team last celebrated a WIAA playoff victory. The fact the Red Raiders' first postseason win since 2007 came over their crosstown rivals made it even sweeter.
A complete-game gem by Spencer Michaelis led sixth-seeded Wauwatosa East to a 3-1 win over 11th-seeded Wauwatosa West in a regional semifinal game July 12 at Breitlow Field.
"With the crosstown matchup, we know that we were in for a battle," Red Raider coach Pete Schwichtenberg said. "That is exactly what we got."
Wauwatosa West strikes first
The Trojans took a 1-0 lead on an RBI single by Logan Scharf that scored Jake Hronek in the top of the second.» Read Full Article
Milwaukee County Chargers earn overtime win over Muskego
There's still six weeks to play in the Midstates Football League regular season, but the playoff race is already taking shape.
The Milwaukee County Chargers helped their playoff chances July 16 by pulling out a 27-20 overtime win over the Muskego Hitmen.
Chargers strike first
After dropping their first two games, the Chargers have won two straight to pull into a tie with Muskego for the third and final playoff spot from the Northern Division.
Three plays into Muskego's opening drive, Charger linebacker Steve Vitale intercepted a pass and returned it to the Muskego 11-yard line. The turnover led to a 9-yard touchdown pass from Shannon King to Jordan Cosby to put Milwaukee County up 7-0.» Read Full Article
Activists push DA for disclosure on police killing in Wauwatosa
About 30 community activists crowded into Milwaukee District Attorney John Chisholm's office Tuesday to press for the disclosure of information on the killing of Jay Anderson by a Wauwatosa police officer.
The officer, whose name has not been made public, shot Anderson on June 23. Anderson had been sleeping in his car in Madison Park. The Wauwatosa police department said the officer feared for his safety when he saw that Anderson had a gun.
The group of activists, which included representatives from various community organizations and Sen. Lena Taylor (D-Milwaukee), presented a letter to Chisholm demanding that he release the dashboard video of the shooting and other info.
"They had no right to do that to [Anderson]," activist Rodney Robbins said.
Chisholm told the group that he has not yet received all findings from Milwaukee police, who are investigating the shooting to comply with a state law requiring that outside agencies investigate police-related deaths.» Read Full Article
Video: How a Pokémon Go newbie experienced the craze playing in Wauwatosa
There's a new game grabbing the attention of young people in Wauwatosa and thrusting them into the great outdoors. It's called Pokémon Go.
Curious about the new game that's encouraging people to get active and make new friends, I downloaded the app on my iPhone and got to work. Alongside photographer C.T. Kruger, I hit the streets of Wauwatosa to uncover exactly what makes this game so appealing.
About Pokémon
But first, here's a little background information on Pokémon: it's a media franchise that was created in Japan in 1995. It's centered on fictional creatures called "Pokémon," which humans, known as Pokémon trainers, catch and train to battle each other for sport. The franchise began as video games and now includes animated television shows, movies, comic books, toys and trading cards.
I was never much of a fan of Pokémon growing up, but I remember Pokémon being a big deal when I was about 8 years old in the late 1990s. My friends would bring plastic Poké balls to school and launch them throughout the hallways; the Pokémon television show would play in the background during playdates at friends' houses; and Pokémon trading cards were hot show and tell items.» Read Full Article


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