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The Google Nexus 7 Reviewby Anand Lal Shimpi & Brian Klug on 7/26/2012 11:35 AM EST
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trajik78 - Thursday, July 26, 2012 - linkmy buddy at work just got his Nex7. it's great, but the speaker is REALLY REALLY bad. distorts even at low volume. Reply
rfdparker - Friday, July 27, 2012 - linkI had the same issue. I tried a stereo audio test video from YouTube, and it seemed one of the pair of speakers had already blown on/before arrival, whilst the other was fine.
So I'm getting it swapped today. Reply
ImSpartacus - Saturday, July 28, 2012 - linkIf Google had to skimp somewhere, I'm glad they skimped on the speakers. Reply
klmccaughey - Wednesday, August 08, 2012 - linkYou still need *useable* speakers. If they are so bad you can't hear a thing then that rather detracts from the whole experience. Reply
lordsaytor - Friday, September 14, 2012 - linkWell said. It really is a shame. The Nexus 7 is such a fantastic tablet to use. If not for these minor flaws (the speaker, lack of hdmi, lack of expandable memory) this would be a perfect product. It would have taken the gold editor's award easily.
But having said that, I can't complain about the $199 price tag and I suppose you get what you pay for.
But being the first ever tablet Google has made, I think things in the 7 inch market looks very promising. Other manufacturers (Apple, Amazon, Samsung) will have no choice but to make an even better tablet for the same price in order to take market share in the 7 inch category. Reply
Johnmcl7 - Thursday, July 26, 2012 - linkI'm disappointed that micro SD slots seem to be disappearing from high profile Android devices and frustrating reviewers seem to skip over it. I can see why manufacturers want to take micro SD slots off devices but losing the slot is no benefit to consumers and being able to add lots of cheap memory to a device with an HD screen prime for video and games is useful.
John Reply
Wiggy McShades - Thursday, July 26, 2012 - linkI'd imagine google wants to try and sell people cloud storage rather than let them go and buy a micro sd card. Reply
mcnabney - Thursday, July 26, 2012 - linkWhich makes no sense on a WiFi-only device. Reply
NoNeedForMonkeys - Saturday, August 04, 2012 - linkMy N7 is wifi tethered to my phone when I am mobile. Reply
kmmatney - Thursday, July 26, 2012 - linkSeeing how quickly my son's 8GB iPod touch filled up, I think they could have really used more memory. Web browsing and streaming is OK, but you won't be able to install very many games, or put a full music library on it. It can't be that much more expensive to add another 16 GB. Reply
bennyg - Tuesday, July 31, 2012 - linkMaybe Google saw the gobs of cash Apple make from crazy high markups on storage once you lock your userbase out of choice in the matter.
I'm glad Android has internal competition in the smartphone area for this reason. Time will tell if my decision to opt for 8gb is a bad one, but really since it has no camera I'll only ever run out of space when copying something onto it which puts me firmly in control and I'm fine with that. Reply
fmcjw - Thursday, August 02, 2012 - linkApplaud mentioning that Google is charging $50 for $4 of NAND. Wondering why Apple is not reviewed with such analytic words.
Brian's and Anand's writing are the only knowledgeable content on this site, with the rest being filler material. That said, still not lowering my ad-block on Anandtech, since Anand drools praise on Apple products, throwing money at a 117b dollar rich company which is:
monopolistic (in behavior if not absolute terms),
dictatorial (imposing business-driven restrictions on technology), and
unimaginative (riding wave of state of the art tech manufacturing, always at the cusp of killing established business models with many players for its sole profit)
IMO Anand is single minded and is narrow in his views. Yes, he appreciates "the best" tech, but is eager to distance himself from less obvious virtues and legacy concerns. It's also apparent he feels no responsibility and vision towards diversity, choice, and the underdogs in the industry, preferring the elite wherever possible, Intel over AMD, Apple over the rest. By being "objective" and focused on what he deems palatable and suitable, he is no different from Monsanto: technology in a vacuum, umbilical cord as leash.
And once he is happily on Apple's leash, you can see how his values get whipped around. Reply
NoNeedForMonkeys - Saturday, August 04, 2012 - linkI have not had to pay for cloud storage. The N7 is a play store front-end for media streaming. Google is heavily pushing streaming services over local storage.
The USB port on this thing is compliant to MHL specs and future software should be able to enable HDMI adapters, but the software is not allowing full functionality yet. The USB port is also hardware compliant with USB OTG, it is just not enabled in software. Reply
EnzoFX - Thursday, July 26, 2012 - linkWhat is there for a reviewer to talk about besides simply stating it doesn't have one? Which they all do. It doesn't have one, this you know already, you're either ok with it, or it's not for you. They know what they did and they still chose to do it. Get over it? Reply
Sined - Thursday, July 26, 2012 - linkTo be honest, it's a bit unfair to knock on any Android Device for the lack of MicroSD card storage.
Dan Morrill of Google's Android Team explains why:
It has to do with how USB Mass Storage works and how Apps and Media mingle in the same storage when dealing with internal storage only.
Ideally, ALL Android devices should have SD Cards but Android hasn't matured in that department enough to have them on the Nexus Line. Reply
Death666Angel - Thursday, July 26, 2012 - linkAs I read that, he says they don't have a microSD slot because it would make settings up things harder ("where does the camera save pictures, where should that app be installed?"). I am glad that I only have android devices with microSD slots. I don't agree with the dumbing down of options he wants. If I wanted that, I'd go with iOS. :-) Looks like I won't get any Nexus device any time soon. Reply
leexgx - Saturday, July 28, 2012 - linkSamsung seem to do it right, the as the main 16gb mem (for example) is split norm 2gb and 12gb (that shows as an SD card)
and ones with an SD card slot are shown as an second SD card slot Reply
robinthakur - Tuesday, July 31, 2012 - linkYes, a shame that the phone slows down so much when you start filling up the internal memory though, its like it doesn't ring-fence enough for the OS. Reply
Impulses - Friday, July 27, 2012 - linkYeah, I don't think they've omitted the expandable storage slots for any one particular reason but more a combination of them... Usability + cost cutting + working out some technical aspects. Still, it's a compromise and he admits as much.
I think the best compromise is what HTC did with the EVO LTE and what I believe Samsung did with the SGS3: internal storage is all MTP so apps, media, and the OS can share the space without strict partitions and you don't need to unmount from theOS to sync content, and the external storage is still good old UMS so you can work around MTP sync issues and/or have expandable storage for media.
It's still a compromise tho, what Morrill states is true, not all apps are built to scan external storage or handle the disconnect of it elegantly. The OS handles it just fine in the case of music/photos IMO (since there's a media scanner) but other stuff can be hit or miss. Reply
Shadowmaster625 - Thursday, July 26, 2012 - linkAnyone who buys a device like this with no storage option is just a fool. Let it burn. Reply
dcollins - Thursday, July 26, 2012 - linkNot everyone is like you.
All my music lives in Spotify and I stream the vast majority of the movies/tv shows I watch. Plus, 90% of my tablet time is spent reading or browsing anyways.
Expandable storage is nice, but it certainly is not a blocking issue for my usage. Reply
CeriseCogburn - Sunday, July 29, 2012 - linkI love that how all the screaming for future proof options is out the window.
Steve Jobs loves it too. Reply
robinthakur - Tuesday, July 31, 2012 - linkAgree. I think the Retina Macbook is the poster boy for this though. Not having upgradeable ram on a £2500 laptop is pretty inexcusable. What if I need more than 16GB to run virtual machines etc? It's the only thing which keeps me from buying one. Reply
dmyster - Thursday, July 26, 2012 - linkwell, I have a pretty good set up at home for streaming most media to tablets and media devices. The extra 50 bucks for 16 gig was not worth it to me since I will not be traveling with it. I can watch all my movies, listen to all the songs in my library and read books. There are some decent apps - stock ticker, netflix, skype to mention a few. For 200 bucks it is a good deal if you can do without the extra storage or a sd card which I can... Reply
Impulses - Friday, July 27, 2012 - linkRoot it, install Stickmount, use any removable media with a USB OTG cable. If there was a better 7" alternative for $50 more or even $100 more that comment might make more sense... But as it is, the Nexus 7 is still a fantastic device and unless you're very tech averse the lack of expandable storage out of the box really isn't a big deal...
I'd even take a gamble that most people who'd balk at rooting the thing will probably never store enough media or games on it to really have an issue with 16GB, the 8GB model will be tight if you start to download big games left and right tho. Reply
CeriseCogburn - Sunday, July 29, 2012 - linkBoy you have no clue on the public and general end users.
Let me help.
They are utterly clueless, and when faced with storage constraints, they have no idea what to do, and deleting for space is above their user skills.
That's the vast majority of purchasers. Reply
TheJian - Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - linkDon't confuse apple users with Android users :)
We don't call them SHEEPLE for nothing ;)
A large portion of Android users are above the norm and believe in using their devices for more than Steve Jobs every believed you should get away with. Reply
NoNeedForMonkeys - Saturday, August 04, 2012 - linkPerhaps you should burn every iOS device for not having expandable storage. Reply
lunarx3dfx - Thursday, July 26, 2012 - linkhttp://www.androidcentral.com/why-nexus-devices-ha...
That article talks about the lack of SD cards, and honestly it makes sense to me. Also, keep in mind that they do have a 16 GB Nexus 7 available for purchase. Although, I think it's currently sold out. Reply
CeriseCogburn - Sunday, July 29, 2012 - linkOf course it's sold out. Reply
The0ne - Friday, July 27, 2012 - linkMy Kindle is fulled with books and audio books and I need more space. I am seriously thinking about purchasing the Nexus 7 as a replacement simply because XDA has provided a way to add more storage space via a dongle. Still, my eyes are shouting for a 10" reader as I know the 7" Kindle is always stressing as it is. Reply
robinthakur - Tuesday, July 31, 2012 - linkI would imagine it is the beginnings of an anti piracy drive as that is such a hot topic on Android and a key reason why some app just aren't available for it. Which is a great shame as having a Micro SD slot is emminently useful and cheaper than paying for manufacturer added storage. Reply
TheJian - Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - linkiphone collection packs are readily available on newsgroups and websites. No more piracy on android than ios. That's a fallacy perpetuated by apple lovers. Nothing sneaky about leaving off a micro sd slot. Dead trigger was given away because of one of two things: The game sucks an reviews show it, or they just are apple lovers who ported it to give it away to hurt android. Why would you give your game away due to any piracy? No amount would make a sane person give away their work for good. There are NO honest people on android?...LOL. Sounds like a scam to me. How does angry birds make money then? OK, a 3rd option; they saw sales sucked so went with whichever had better sales and publicity stunt for the other platform (in this case android). I'd venture to guess sales still suck on IOS too... :) No amount of publicity crap will fix reviews in the 40's. Rovio isn't complaining about android sales.
Does your ipad3 come with micro sd? Must be because of all that piracy huh? Sounds like BS both ways eh? For $200-250 what did you expect to get? They blew away the kindle fire, asking much more is asking for the impossible at this price.
Make a better game that people enjoy (and isn't just a gpu fest) and it will sell. End users don't crack games, professional groups do and they do it just as well on ANY platform (including the PS3 now). Heck you can buy an xbox360 pre modded and ready to happily play your copies. Yet, for some reason people spew comments about PC's being so easy to pirate on...LOL. PC games have craploads of patches, thus needing more skilled users to update and crack said updates. I'd say it's tougher on a pc, where any monkey can buy a pre-modded console and boot a burned game from release groups.
As someone already said, most users can't even copy/delete files. Witness the number of people in forums etc asking why their pirated PC game doesn't work. "the game says insert disc etc, where's the crack?"...Umm, gee, did you check the \crack folder? Bother to read the nfo file?...ROFL. Followed by the inevitable "how do you open a .nfo file?" and it goes on an on. Worse, some just can't get past "how do you open a rar file, or .001, or .part1.rar"...At some point someone says RTFM or "google it" :) Reply
robinthakur - Friday, August 31, 2012 - linkThe fact of the matter is that there is little incentive to jailbreak an iDevice anymore because Apple has added most of what was missing previously. You also lose alot like when Apple release a new iOS and you have to wait for it to be jailbroken.
However, for most Android users who do not own first party Google devices (at least the ones that still get updates...!). you need to root your phone to install updates in a timely manner. On most FAQS about rooting your phone there is inevitably a section discussing pirated apps. The availability and proliferation of pirate apps for Google is certainly nothing new, perhaps you have been willfully ignoring it. The stats on it from most of the developers who mention it are absolutely shocking.
This is the downside of having more technically adept users I suppose, but to pretend that it either doesn't exist or even more crazily that iOS developers release thei product on Android free to hurt the platform (hmm...) is paranoid delusional.
The fact is that Angry Birds on Android is free and *ad-supported*. It is not free. Rovio is at least canny enough to realise that the target market aren't prepared to even pay 1.99 for their hard work, and even those playing ad-supported games still complain about the in-game ads and use ad-blocking software so that still doesn't solve the problem. The 360 and also PS3 do ban users that they detect using pirated software online (everyone seems to play multiplayer these days) so no it is not just as easy to pirate on console to how easy it is on the PC. Reply
GTForce - Thursday, July 26, 2012 - linkI think it should be "winning a higher level accolade" instead of "winning a higher level allocade". It's always baffling to see pro tech editors not using a simple spell-check to finalize their articles. BTW, a nice article (as usual on AnandTech). Reply
CeriseCogburn - Sunday, July 29, 2012 - linkPro or Moe ?
Arrogant and ignorant.
Imagine the heady region in where they dwell.
If they need a spellchecker, they must be stupid.
It's fear and low self esteem. Reply
tipoo - Thursday, July 26, 2012 - linkI'm curious now if a better flash memory controller is part of what gave iPads the fluidity lead up until this tablet, how do they fare in NAND performance? Reply
wendoman - Thursday, July 26, 2012 - link"The video below shows you what can happen on a Transformer Pad Infinity while downloading a bunch of large files in the background:"
Where the video? Reply
driscoll42 - Thursday, July 26, 2012 - linkYou don't actually lose Amazon's video service. You can view Amazon Prime videos in any standard browser, I've got a shortcut on my Nexus 7 which just goes straight to Amazon's Video Service. What you do lose is access to the Lending Library. Reply
geniekid - Thursday, July 26, 2012 - linkGood point. I use Amazon VoD a lot, which is the best argument for myself in getting a Kindle Fire over this thing.
I wonder what the difference between the KF and Nexus 7 is in terms of how long it takes to get from the home screen to actual streaming video. Reply
Sprchkn - Thursday, July 26, 2012 - linkExcept that Flash isn't supported on Jelly Bean... I know, mine arrived yesterday and I tried that. Amazon either needs to release an Android app or move to HTML5.
But, I've already cancelled the auto-renewal on my Prime account due to their use of Flash DRM which requires a workaround to install the deprecated HAL package under Gentoo so it's not like I'm married to them. Google actually seems to be the only one that supports both Linux and Android, so I'll just start purchasing my video content from them. Reply
Impulses - Friday, July 27, 2012 - linkFlash works fine on Jelly Bean under Firefox and other browsers, just need to side load it. Reply
RamarC - Thursday, July 26, 2012 - linkwill allow usb tthumb drive/sd cards to be used with the Nexus 7. Reply
WolvenSpectre - Thursday, November 08, 2012 - linkThe problem is that it doesn't give you any write capability. Reply
Pino - Thursday, July 26, 2012 - link"213 pixels per inch in a 7 inch display is unique for an Android tablet"
Lenovo´s S2007 tablet has such a display and was launched way before the Nexus 7:
http://appserver.lenovo.com.cn/Lenovo_lepadSeries_... Reply
firstname.lastname@example.com - Thursday, July 26, 2012 - linkThe primary advantage of the Nexus 7 is price. If a tablet is so small you need to zoom, the sweet spot is the Galaxy Note. It's half the weight of the 7, fits in your shirt pocket, and combines the features of a phone, a camera, and a small tablet in one unit with the possibility of adding an additional 32 Gb of storage. The Note 2 will be even faster.
My netbook will be replaced by a Windows 8 hybrid eventually for full computing power. This and the Galaxy Note are all I will need to do everything mobile. Reply
Sprchkn - Thursday, July 26, 2012 - linkI think it depends on what you're using it for. I bought the Nexus 7 so that I can leave my phone docked up to my stereo and then look up recipes, check email, etc. while I'm in the kitchen cooking. The speakers are a bit weak, but it will probably also see some duty playing movies, again, while I'm cooking or perhaps when I'm on my treadmill. The missing storage hasn't been a problem for me with the way I use my phone and I always have my iPod available for music duty. Besides, for whatever reason, I've always had trouble with the micro SDs and corruption when copying large amounts of data onto them - so I'm actually relieved that Google Play means I no longer have to deal with that. Reply
MadMan007 - Thursday, July 26, 2012 - linkAn unlocked Galaxy Note is over twice as expensive as the Nexus 7. It's only fair to compare unsubsidized vs unsubsidized pricing. Everyone's needs and wants are different, but the 'if you're going to zoom anyway' point is valid if one were going to get a subsidized phone anyway and can deal with the size of the Note as a phone. Reply
hackbod - Thursday, July 26, 2012 - linkGreat stuff on the NAND performance, as well as the commentary on the screen configuration. Your reviews are consistently the most detailed and technically accurate I see.
One thing that would be interesting to do is NAND performance comparisons with the 16GB model. I believe this uses a different NAND controller, so you should see some different interesting behavior. And since the 16GB model is likely more popular than the 8GB one, this would be relevant to many people. Reply
risa2000 - Friday, July 27, 2012 - linkI would like to see similar tests (flash throughput) done also with smartphones. There has been rumors that there are some significant difference between some (e.g. iPhone and some Androids) and it would be interesting to know also for new WP devices. Reply
chrnochime - Thursday, July 26, 2012 - linkGreat product for those who don't mind reading on a 7" screen, but for me even the 10" gets tiring after a while, though considerably less so than a 7".
I am amazed at those who are able to read the tiny texts on a 7" for a prolonged period of time. Tried that with a 10" and couldn't last more than 1hr. Uh. Reply
amdwilliam1985 - Thursday, July 26, 2012 - linkTell that to the girls who are reading on iPhone with 3.5", I can barely see the tiny texts on their screen.
Going from 3.5" to 7" will 4x their reading area, will make a heavenly difference for them. Reply
jamyryals - Thursday, July 26, 2012 - linkWhat does being a girl have to do with it? I read books on my 4s quite often when traveling. Last time I checked I was a man... Yup, still am. Reply
amdwilliam1985 - Friday, July 27, 2012 - linkSorry to bring girls into the topic.
I'm only saying that because I see a lot of girls in NYC subways with iPhone 4/4S. Most guys I saw in NYC subways are with bigger phones. Just reporting my observation.
And the point of the topic is that if people can read on 3.5", then reading on 7" will be a dramatic(4x) improvement. Reply
Akilaehunter - Thursday, July 26, 2012 - linkEvery buy a paperback with uncomfortably small lettering? Or even a hardcover that tries to look artsy by using an inconvenient font?
All (worthwhile) e-readers and e-reader apps allow for margin size, text size, and font style changes.
Argument is invalid; You can read a book on a 4" screen as optically comfortably as on a 10" screen, you'll just wear out your fingers flipping resized pages. Reply
chrnochime - Thursday, July 26, 2012 - linkIt's not invalid; I'd rather not have to enlarge everything and scroll a whole bunch just to read one 8" x 11" webpage.
Yes I can actually see the texts all shrunken on a 7", but I have no intention to torture myself in doing so. Rather spend that time on something more productive.
Besides I *did* say it's a great device didn't I?
And not all e-readers are stuck in 7". The Amazon DX is 10" which I also have, so. Reply
Akilaehunter - Friday, July 27, 2012 - linkWebpages, you're 100% right. I don't own a 10" tablet and even in landscape mode on a 7" many webpages can get uncomfortably small. Plus the scrolling.
Still, if the nook/kindle app is uncomfortable to read books with it's one's own fault for not making it comfortable with the many combinations of size options. Reply
CeriseCogburn - Sunday, July 29, 2012 - linkIt's never comfortable as the screen needs to be closer so the eye fry syndrome overtakes any blurry eyed goon who can't read small text.
I suspect a far sighted elderly person with bifocals can hold it at arms length and "telescope" in to the text, but then, have never seen that.
Next we'll have a flurry of articles analyzing peeps with facial skin cancer then we'll have the scare articles that quote the hidden study.
In the mean time the tiny teens and teeny texts can increase corporate visine profit margins.
They should call these devices "fryballs!" Reply
Super56K - Monday, July 30, 2012 - linkYes, because before e-readers/tablets all the books I purchased were 10" + in physical size, and I had to hold mass market paperbacks 5" away from my face to read the tiny words. You're a feisty one Cogburn. Reply
Akilaehunter - Thursday, July 26, 2012 - linkFirst off, this is my first article response, though I've been lurking since 2004.
A nitpick to start things off: I know this site tests a ton of mobile hardware so why are some models shown for some tests in an article and not others -in the same article- as comparisons? For instance, my Droid Razr Maxx is in a few comparisons (not this article) but not all. Should maybe be a database cataloguing them all, ala the gfx card benches section? (Or if there is I'm too dense to see it...)
Otherwise, excellent article as always. Especially interested in how the flash storage is the main bottleneck now. Tegra 3 could be a beast at multitasking if all its cores are accounted for, but would then get strangled by IO as soon as it is told to multitask- something a multi-core cpu should be amazing at.
Lot to think about. :D Reply
Sined - Thursday, July 26, 2012 - linkHey Anand, great review as usual.
I want to point out something about the lack of an SDcard slot.
Dan Morrill from Google Android team explained on Reddit why Google is moving away from SDCard storage on Nexus Devices.
It's a really interesting read on the reasons why.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/11/18/impromptu-... Reply
Lucian Armasu - Thursday, July 26, 2012 - linkYou keep putting Windows RT together with Windows 8, as if they are the same thing and will be just as successful (or will fail just as much). But in what way is a Windows RT tablet, especially one that is twice as expensive, or at least as expensive as an iPad, better than an Android tablet? Is there an advantage at all that they hold over Android tablets? Because I see none, and I'm not sure why you keep up-playing Windows RT while downplaying Android tablet throughout your article. Reply
antef - Thursday, July 26, 2012 - linkAgreed....a hybrid x86 Win8 device might appeal to some people, but a WinRT ARM tablet is not inherently better than Android. I would actually argue Android is better because its app ecosystem is more mature and all the Google services apps are a given. Metro is completely unproven.
WinRT will have the limited desktop with a simplified set of Office apps, that's it. I don't care about that at all, along with many other people I'm sure. Reply
Impulses - Friday, July 27, 2012 - linkOffice RT is the only clear advantage out of the gate, if they actually provide a featured desktop conversion that just happens to run on ARM... If all they put out is a Metro stepchild then that goes out the window. (no pun intended) It's a big selling point tho, but only if Win RT tablets are price competitive with iPads and Android tablets.
Personally I'm still not sold on this holy grail of device convergence either way. 12" or smaller laptops are too cramped for serious work, and tablets just aren't as comfortable for use around the house at that size either. 7" or 8.9" is ideal IMO, specially as an addition to a 13"-14" laptop which is probably the most common scenario.
I say that despite having enjoyed using a 10" ASUS Transformer for over a year now. Currently I have that and a 3 year old netbook and I'm really yearning for a larger laptop replacement for the latter and a smaller tablet in the long run (the TF + dock has been a nice replacement for the netbook when traveling without work duties tho). Reply
EnzoFX - Thursday, July 26, 2012 - linkWhy will Win8 Tablets cannibalize Android tablets?
I'm all for more competition, and MS is definitely bringing it, but are you implying it'll overtake Android right away? MS has a long way to go before that. Even their specs seems underpar, except for the intel powered one, which comes in at ultrabook pricing... Reply
Impulses - Friday, July 27, 2012 - linkIf that... I seriously don't see how Intel powered tablet hybrids will come in at ultrabook pricing all the while sporting better displays and near identical hardware all around (with a more complex builds). Something's gotta give, or the build quality of ultrabooks has inflated prices a ton... Reply
TareX - Friday, August 03, 2012 - linkWindows 8 RT is DOA. No apps, no way to compete, and it's too late in the game to start a new third party base. Windows 8 pro tablets are GREAT, except that they won't be price anywhere close to being competitive, so those are kind of DOA too in a different way. Very few people would pay $800-1000 for a tablet. Reply
Death666Angel - Thursday, July 26, 2012 - linkThanks for the video review, I started missing them already! :D
If the Nexus had an SD slot and more storage out of the box without a 50USD increase in cost, I'd probably already have one. As it stands now, I'm content with my Chinese tablet (Cube U30GT). It has issues, but for the price (260€) it is pretty great. And I'm 100% with you, paying too much for tablets right now is not a smart move, considering the rapidity of the hardware development. Reply
TareX - Friday, August 03, 2012 - linkYou do realize this pricing is actually super generous on Google's behalf (they're selling it at a loss), yet you want them to include a MicroSD, and have more storage without the $50 bump. I'm all for a MicroSD but you're getting a wee bit too greedy here. There's a reason it's out of stock almost everywhere. Reply
Mr. Context - Thursday, July 26, 2012 - linkHey, I think the biggest differences between the devices is in their aspect ratio and he HDMI output. Please check this link to hear my 50 cents on it... http://bit.ly/OezNK7 Reply
designerfx - Thursday, July 26, 2012 - linkUSB OTG is supported - just not in stock. If you root you can indeed get apps to work out USB OTG. Reply
secretmanofagent - Thursday, July 26, 2012 - linkThis has actually been talked about previously on Anandtech by one of the authors:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6061/mhl-and-usbotg-... Reply
Impulses - Friday, July 27, 2012 - linkHe didn't test functionality once rooted tho, just speculated on it... Stickmount has since been proven to work and rooting Nexus devices is fairly easy, so this is an alternative for expandable storage for all but the most timid users. Reply
Sunburn74 - Thursday, July 26, 2012 - linkYeah I bought this thing to use at work. It doesn't work with the open guest wifi. Really disappointing. I'm contemplating selling it off therefore.
otherwise its great. Reply
Sunburn74 - Thursday, July 26, 2012 - linkIt will fail with numerous public guest wifi networks
Google has known about this issue and fails to correct it for 2 years now. Really painful. I own this item and cannot recommend it to anyone beacause it simply can't logon in many places I'd like to use it including airports, hospitals, etc etc Reply
edwpang - Friday, July 27, 2012 - linkThank you for pointing out this issue. Reply
HJustin - Thursday, July 26, 2012 - linkNo iTunes, no thanks. Reply
ssddaydream - Friday, July 27, 2012 - linkTroll much?
If you need iTunes, then get AirSync and Doubletwist. It has been around for a quite a while. It works.
Or get an Apple product. They have iTunes. Reply
robinthakur - Friday, August 31, 2012 - linkBoth of those as well as iSyncr and Kies are awful,amateurish and buggy and make you yearn for an iDevice. I sold my Galaxy 3 because it's support for actually playing music and even getting it on the phone in the first place seemed to bring me back to 2001 before I got my first iPod. No triple tap to rewind on remote, no easy way to get to the music controls when the phone display is off (like double tapping home), dragging and dropping locking the phone during transfer made something which was previously so extraordinarily basic and straighforward the bane of my life. The couple of people in my team that still have Android devices I asked about it just said that they also carried iPods with them for music. At this point I got fed up and sold it, then went back to the iPhone 4S which might not have a big screen and such a 'modern' customisable OS, but beats it in every other meaningful way including syncing everything I need between multiple iDevices and my Desktops-easily and actually having the apps which I want available. Reply
tuxRoller - Thursday, July 26, 2012 - linkI question the implicit suggestion that an ios device provides a perfectly smooth ui experience. Forgetting the universal stutter of navigating to the search screen, the system will certainly slow down/stutter under load. IOS is the best out there currently but it could be improved as illustrated above. Reply
tuxRoller - Friday, July 27, 2012 - linkOne more thing: the lag that happened when there was high io suggests that android isn't properly using the softirq for io that the preempt kernel provides.
As for the cheap nand, I don't see why the oems couldn't use raw nand and then use a file system like nilfs or one of the others to let the kernel properly handle the io. Reply
ssddaydream - Friday, July 27, 2012 - linkInterestingly, the Trinity kernel seems to improve IO throughput when used in conjunction with a certain script (TKT app runs the script when opened, I believe.) Reply
tipoo - Friday, July 27, 2012 - linkYeah, I never got why it could be mostly smooth but going to a that blank search screen always lagged. Also similar to this if an app is writing to NAND it can take a while to get back to the home screen. Reply
TekDemon - Thursday, July 26, 2012 - linkTo be fair the Kindle still has one other advantage as an e-Reader, you get to borrow a free book per month if you're a Prime member, in addition to the free video streaming support. So here it's really Amazon's ecosystem that's the Kindle's big feature-if you've bought into their ecosystem it'll give you quite a bit more content and they have a $39 per year student Prime (that you get after the expired Student trial) that does let you access videos/books.
Of course if you're into the Amazon ecosystem I'd suspect that you're waiting on the Fire 2. Reply
SantaAna12 - Thursday, July 26, 2012 - linkI think Gabe Newells comments regarding Apples controlling access is applicable to this device and Google. Google wants us on their cloud to sell us content.....its one of their business models. Amazon does the same.....but you can be smart and buy the CD. I think the more we talk about these issues the better......as knowledge is power. For me....this device doesn't work because of the lack of memory....and the known lack of sound quality. Reply
milli - Friday, July 27, 2012 - linkI feel you're ignoring the Playbook comparison a bit too much in this review. I've just bought a new Playbook 32GB for $175. Same 7" screen size (lower res though), OMAP4, bigger battery, better cam (front & back), ....
Playbook OS is very usable since version 2.0. I use mine strictly professionally and at that, it's probably better than iOS en Android. Version 2.1 is around the corner and 3.0 around new years.
Maybe not the best option if you're an app addict but the amazing multitasking combined with what most call the best mobile browsing experience, made this a no brainer for me. The 'Print to Go' feature is very handy. Reply
kenyee - Friday, July 27, 2012 - linkI have a Playbook too (earned it for porting an Android app).
Playbook as muchhhhh better speakers.
Nexus 7 is what I grab for if I'm reading, etc. It's lighter than the Kindle and Nook so it's a lot more comfortable to hold for extended periods of time.
And no comparison to any 10" tablet...not sure what he reviewer is thinking...the 7" ones have a perfect use case for reading and playing games. The 10" ones might be better for web surfing for a little while until you get tired of holding it... Reply
joshv - Friday, July 27, 2012 - linkOne of my frustrations with the Fire (one of many) is the WiFi reconnect when you wake the device. It would frequently take 20-30 seconds, and that's a ton of time for a casual use device. On the other hand the iPad just seems to be always on the Internet. Pick it up, launch the browser, the Internet is on. I know that can't actually be the case, as it would decimate battery life, but the iPad somehow manages the WiFi connection almost perfectly.
So, I am wondering how the Nexus 7 performs in this regard. Reply
Impulses - Friday, July 27, 2012 - linkIf it's anything like ASUS' other tablets (minus the Prime & it's signal strength issues) then it should be pretty seamless. I've rarely ever been held back while waiting for my original Transformer to connect, and I actually have it set to go into airplane mode when the screen is off, for maximum battery life... So it's doing a cold reconnect every time and it's usually good to go before I tap the browser icon.
I'm pretty sure it reconnects faster than my Krait phone, tho the handover from 3G to Wifi is probably never given priority.
FWIW, the TF loses about half a percentage of battery life like that when sleeping. You can set it to always remain connected if you wanna receive live notifications or whatever but it'll obviously chew threw battery life much faster (probably twice as fast while idle, so you'd need to charge it every night or every other night at best). Reply
kenyee - Friday, July 27, 2012 - linkIt defaults to keeping wifi on even if the screen is off...and no problem w/ the batteries Reply
Death666Angel - Saturday, July 28, 2012 - linkMy Chinese tablet and my SGS2 have Wifi set to always on and there is nearly no battery drainage. My SGS2 has standby time of over 5 days with Wifi on and occasional talks. My tablet has standby for over 2 days and I have never gotten it from 100% to <5% battery in a single day so far.
Wifi is quite tame these days, I don't see any reason to not have it on all the time. Reply
sjvarley - Friday, July 27, 2012 - link"the limited NAND capacity prevents the Nexus 7 from being home to more than a single full length movie"
If you need 8GB to store a full length movie on a tablet, then you're using the wrong codec. Reply
tipoo - Friday, July 27, 2012 - linkYeah, on a 7" screen a 700MB rip should look fine. Reply
ssddaydream - Friday, July 27, 2012 - linkI like to use uncompressed MKV.
One of the things I would love if Anantech looked at was ability for the tablet to decode various vidoeos.
For example, I've had some trouble playing h264 1080p .MOV files smoothly (it was pretty bad, actually), but I haven't messed with it much yet. I'm confident that a good codec for 1080p content should scale the Nexus 7 display properly and still provide fluid playback. Reply
Death666Angel - Saturday, July 28, 2012 - linkSince the SoC is strong enough to play back anything I throw at it from my normal TV media station, why I should I have to re-encode it for storage sake when storage is about the cheapest thing in the BOM of any tablet? Yes, I can do that, but I gain nothing from it except spend time when a few dollars worth of NAND could have gotten better results.
And 700mb for 720p lasts you about 20 to 40 minutes, depending on how many audio streams you have and how much quality you want. Reply
Torrijos - Friday, July 27, 2012 - linkHi,
nice review, as always, but a couple of reviews back you had a plot about device efficiency (a quotient of battery life and battery size).
It would be nice to have a repository article following the evolution of power efficiency with OS updates and the influence of the different CPU architectures. Reply
tukkas - Friday, July 27, 2012 - linkhow can the nexus 7 handle a shared device (i.e. multiple family members or guests) who don't want their gmail to necessarily be viewable by all? thank you Reply
Hacp - Friday, July 27, 2012 - linkWhy only bronze? I say if you are looking to buy a tablet without data, the Nexus 7 is at the best price point . Anandtech used to be about price/performance. I'm dissapointed. Reply
will2 - Friday, July 27, 2012 - linkAn excellent review very thorough in important areas not covered by other reviewers, and with good insights comparing N7 with alternatives.
However I think your verdict should list more negatives than limited unexpandable storage. To my mind another serious limitation of the hardware is lack of HDMI out.
I seek a small tablet (with enough memory to hold a reasonable selection of films) I can take around the home and plug into any TV to view, or likewise watch the films at a friends home. I want a tablet to be more multifunction, so when at the bedside it can be both both monitor CCTV and be used as an Alarm Clock Radio as it almost certainly has a FM radio in the same Broadcom chip for the WiFi & BT. Adding HDMI Out, be it via discrete HDMI socket, or cheap USB/MHL solution, and making available the embedded FM Radio, adds neglible cost to the product and makes it more widely useful. Reply
TareX - Friday, August 03, 2012 - linkThen you don't want a $199 tablet. Reply
ericore - Friday, July 27, 2012 - linkAssuming the price is 299 for the entry 16 GB version of Nexus 10, I will only buy it under the following conditions:
-storage option
-2GB Ram
-Preloaded with Ubuntu (duel boot)
-Option to load other distros in its place
Linux complements Android very well and fills a lot of the gaps.
It would be a smart move on Google's part.
It would be my move. Reply
richough3 - Friday, July 27, 2012 - linkI would be tempted to buy this but the lack of decent speakers on a tablet like this is one of the deal killers for me. The other one is the lack of an SD card slot. Sure, it's up to preference, but the way I see it is more and more ISPs are moving to tiered services, so to do everything across the cloud will cost more. Reply
Chesher - Friday, July 27, 2012 - linkNexus 7 has bluetooth - Kindle Fire does not.
So, I can use Google Play with my bluetooth speakers with my Nexus 7.
Just wanted to mention this - because this is a big deal. Reply
tssynergy - Saturday, July 28, 2012 - linkMoore's law is in full effect in the tablet world. Given the recent technological progress in components and the slew of new hardware about to hit the streets, I think the differences in the actual devices will become narrow to the point of being insignificant (excluding Windows RT/8, primary computing tablets for now). The key differentiation, in my opinion, lays in the various ecosystems. iTunes vs. Amazon vs. Google Play is where the battle will be won or lost. Sustainable competitive advantage on hardware will be short lived to non existent. Reply
ssddaydream - Sunday, July 29, 2012 - linkWhile I agree for the larger portion of the market, I think the enthusiast market cannot be ignored. There will always be those who want the absolute best hardware and will just load up AOSP/AOKP. I think the enthusiast market will find a way to bring multi-platform support to their device. Reply
Diogenes5 - Sunday, July 29, 2012 - linkAnyone that thinks Windows 8 Tablets will be competitive at all are fooling themselves. People use Windows devices because they have to, not because they want to. i5/i7-based designs don't offer the kind of battery life and form factor needed for what people have come to expect in the storage space and Tegra 3/ARM based windows 8 tablets offer nothing more hardware wise than current tablets.
That leaves only the GUI and OS as the differentiating factor between Windows Tablets and Current Tablets. Do people really think that Windows 8 will offer anything near the experience of current android and iOS tablets? Everyone using the RC (including me) is underwhelmed. This is the same Microsoft that produced tablet laptop's for years that nobody bought. Thanks but no thanks, Windows 8 will be a laughingstock just like windows phone. Reply
maximumGPU - Monday, July 30, 2012 - linkAnother troll..
all you provide are your opinions and you think they're a reflection of the majority.
"People use Windows devices because they have to.." plenty of other OS out there if you don't like windows. And guess what? a lot of people do like it.
"Do people really think that Windows 8 will offer anything near the experience of current android and iOS tablets?" Euh yeah it will, how about proper compatibility and seamless transition between your pc and your tablet for a start?
I'm a New Ipad owner, and i find the OS very limiting. Awaiting a windows tablet.
"Everyone using the RC (including me) is underwhelmed.." have you used it in a tablet environment? thought so.
"Thanks but no thanks, Windows 8 will be a laughingstock just like windows phone". Of course, you'd know that already. Reply
shaolin95 - Sunday, July 29, 2012 - linkI was very happy when I saw this tablet first until I read about not SD card options...totally killed it for me...very lame. Reply
bertiebond - Monday, July 30, 2012 - linkbut the samsung tab 7.0 (p1000) i use has 3G, has micro SD slot.
7inch is perfect size for on the go, emergency phone in a pinch, read comics, books, films.
Nexus, much better hardware specs all round, but critically crippled for what you actually want to use it for.
Shame really. Samsung sucks with OS upgrades, you have to root it just to get ICS, nevermind jellybean! Reply
seanleeforever - Tuesday, July 31, 2012 - link" In every sense outside of portability, a 10-inch display is much nicer to look at than a 7-inch one in my opinion. There's less zooming in you need to do on web pages or magazines. Text in general is just easier to read and perhaps I'm getting too old, but there's something nice about everything being comfortably bigger.
Read more at http://www.anandtech.com/show/6073/the-google-nexu...
really, anand, really?
would you say the 17 inch notebook is much nicer to look at than 12 inch one?
my company laptop is a pain in the ass 17 inch dream color elitebook, but i find myself using 12 inch thinpad x unless i absolutely have to do use the company laptop. it is not always the bigger the better.
with that said, i have both ipad 3 and nexus 7, and my experience has been entirely different from yours. the ipad3 is way to heavy as a tablet, and if i have to use a dedicate carrying device, i find myself using 12 inch laptop most of time. the nexus 7, however, is so light (which you should really focus more in the review IMHO) and allow you to use to use it like a tablet. it also magically fit in all my pants and as someone who travels 70% of time, this is a god send.
apple is making a big mistake not to release the mini ipad, and now the market is taken. Reply
taltamir - Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - linkNobody, not a single reviewer, mentioned that you can't turn the N7 sideways and get a landscape view in the OS itself or the google play book reader and nook apps. Supposedly video works on landscape by default and apps CAN theoretically change the view but just don't. Reply
taltamir - Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - linkI have finally found how to enable rotation. Drag from the top downwards and there is a button there to unlock rotation.
Rereading the threads (and since then some coverage), its only the home screen which has auto rotate disabled. Reply
Anonymous1a - Thursday, August 02, 2012 - linkIn the article, they say that Tegra 3 is, perhaps, the second best chip in the market. Which is the best, then?
Also, how does the A5x compare with the Tegra 3? Reply
shriganesh - Thursday, August 02, 2012 - linkHey Anand! Great job for the video review! I often get bored while reading loong tech articles.... But ur video review was refreshingly nice! Keep up the great work by providing readers with many options! Reply
robertj298 - Thursday, August 16, 2012 - linkAll the reviews look good but I've read a lot of reports of various quality control problems on a lot of the units Maybe you do get what you pay for. Reply
yeehi - Thursday, August 30, 2012 - linkYou showed a nice image here:
http://images.anandtech.com/doci/6073/2012-07-26%2... Reply
yeehi - Thursday, August 30, 2012 - linkYou had a good image here:
What software did you use to get the data? Reply
mehrauli - Wednesday, November 14, 2012 - linkRumers are 32G nexus7 model uses faster flash is it true? could you compare 16G with 32G Nusux 7 and let us know which one is faster?
thanks Reply


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Sandy Bridge Memory Scaling: Choosing the Best DDR3by Jared Bell on 7/25/2011 1:55 AM EST
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Rick83 - Monday, July 25, 2011 - linkDo they take into account, that we should be using 1.5V DIMMs for Sandy Bridge?
The addition of that requirement usually limits choice quite a bit. Reply
compudaze - Monday, July 25, 2011 - linkThe SNB datasheet does suggest that the max memory voltage is 1.575V, however, many motherboard and memory manufactures state that they haven't had any problems with memory running at 1.65V on SNB. Reply
compudaze - Monday, July 25, 2011 - linkAlso, if you stick to the spec sheet, you shouldn't be running faster than DDR3-1333 memory. Reply
Taft12 - Monday, July 25, 2011 - linkYou should be using 1.5V DIMMs anyway - if a memory OEM needs 1.65V to achieve the same speed and timings another vendor does at 1.5V, it's inferior memory. Reply
jdogi - Monday, July 25, 2011 - linkJust as your daily driver vehicle is likely inferior to a Mercedes or Ferrari. You should get a new car. You should not make any attempt to balance cost with the value. Just get the best. It's the only way to go. What's best for Taft is best for all.
;-) Reply
Iketh - Tuesday, July 26, 2011 - linkyou didn't understand the logic Reply
MrSpadge - Wednesday, July 27, 2011 - linkI'm sure he did. What Taft failed to mention was that "at the same price, you should be using the memory spec'ed for less voltage". However, if some memory needs a little more voltage, but is way cheaper - balance cost and value.
MrS Reply
Rick83 - Wednesday, July 27, 2011 - linkActually, the higher voltage is out of spec for the CPU memory controller and may wel impact longevity.
So it's like buying the Ferrari, and running it on Biofuel with too much Ethanol that eats right through the tubing, but is marginally cheaper. Reply
jfelano - Tuesday, July 26, 2011 - linkNot inferior, just older. All 1600mhz memory was 1.65v when it debuted. Then they came out with 1.5v, now even 1.35v. Reply
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vailr - Monday, July 25, 2011 - linkNo discussion of differing voltages?
A quick check for DDR3 at Newegg shows:
G.SKILL ECO Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
@ 1.35 volts & Cas Latency: 7
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
@ 1.50 volts & Cas Latency: 6
A more thorough consideration of these two DDR3 modules might be interesting.
For virtually the same money, aren't most people going to seek out DDR3 with the lowest possible CAS latency number, and also combined with the lowest possible voltage design?
I know that: I wouldn't consider buying any DDR3 memory modules with a (nominal) CAS latency higher than 7. Reply
JarredWalton - Monday, July 25, 2011 - linkJust as we didn't test with ten different modules (for ease of testing), we didn't use different voltage memory. Whether your RAM is 1.5V or 1.35V, at the same timings and speed the performance should be identical (less than a 0.5% difference). And we did look at the effect of lower latency RAM; sure, at the same price buy lower latency and higher bandwidth RAM, but prices aren't the same, particularly on 2x4GB kits. Reply
Tchamber - Monday, July 25, 2011 - linkI'd like to see how these tests stack up against the tripple channel nehalem i7's. Reply
duploxxx - Monday, July 25, 2011 - linkcompare with what an EOL platform? it was alreay known that there is no added value with memory speed testing on these systems, just like the previous gen., 1366 is dead testing has been done in the past
This test just showed that it is a lot of wasted money and time investigated in this.
They better take the time and investigate further into Liano memory speed, something that really does scale with memory. Reply
Finally - Monday, July 25, 2011 - linkIt's already done, see Computerbase... Reply
JarredWalton - Monday, July 25, 2011 - linkWe've done it as well for graphics applications:
We haven't done the application testing with different DDR3 on Llano, however. Reply
banwell - Monday, July 25, 2011 - linkYou can also get a nice 'free' bump in performance at 1600 by switching to 1T. Something the better quality memory will be able to do easily. Reply
AssBall - Monday, July 25, 2011 - linkI'm not sure why they didn't test 1T . It is a memory scaling article after all. Anyway TechReport did and their conclusions are about the same, I.E. unless you are overclocking and running synthetic benchmarks, it doesn't really matter. Reply
compudaze - Monday, July 25, 2011 - linkLowering the command rate from 2T to 1T at DDR3-1600 doesn't necessarily mean you can do the same at DDR3-2133. Not all memory modules, CPU's and motherboards are creased equal. Testing all configurations at 2T kept the results comparable. Reply
tomx78 - Tuesday, July 26, 2011 - linkArticle is called "choosing the best DDR3" so I agree they should test T1. Without it whole article is useless. It still does not answer question which DDR3 is best. If DDR3-2133 can't do T1 but DDR3-1600 can which one is faster? Reply
Impulses - Monday, July 25, 2011 - linkIf you're pinching pennies and trying to build a system on a budget, even the $10 premium for anything but a basic 1333 kit doesn't seem worthwhile... I actually chose my last 2x4GB kit based on price and looks more than anything, heh, the old G.skill Sniper heatspreaders (the blue-ish version) matched my MSI mobo well and looked like they'd be the least likely to interfere with any heatsink. Some of the heatspreaders on pricier kits are crazy big, not to mention kinda gaudy. Reply
Finally - Tuesday, July 26, 2011 - linkLet me repeat: You buy your RAM based on... aesthetics?
No further questions, thanks. Reply
Finraziel - Wednesday, July 27, 2011 - linkWell as this test showed, there is little performance gain to be had, so what else is there to base your choice on? Especially for people with windows it can be important. And if you buy really fast memory that wont fit under your heatsink, well, let's just say you want to insinuate someone else is dumb? :)
I used to have the Corsair modules with lights on top showing activity, and while I mainly bought them for looks, they were actually useful at times to be able to quickly check if my system had totally crashed or was still doing stuff (you can sort of see the difference in the patterns in the lights). Reply
knedle - Monday, July 25, 2011 - linkI would love to see graphs showing how much power do different ram modules consume, few weaks ago I build low power computer with Sandy Bridge and I'm still looking into how to get as much from it as possible, with as low power consumption as possible. Reply
Rajinder Gill - Monday, July 25, 2011 - linkPower savings for DRAM are generally small. As you lower the current draw (either by reducing voltage or slacker timings) you are battling in part against the efficiency curve of the VRM.
On some boards the difference in power consumption between DDR3-1333 and DDR3-1866 (given voltage and timing changes) can be as little as 1 Watt.
-Raja Reply
Vhozard - Monday, July 25, 2011 - link"Multiple passes are generally used to ensure the highest quality video output, and the first pass tends to be more I/O bound while the second pass is typically constrained by CPU performance."
This is really not true, multiple passes are used by x264 to come as close as possible to a given file size. A one-pass crf-based encode produces an equally high quality video output, given the same conditions.
Maybe you should use one-pass encodes, as they are more commonly used when file size specification is not very important. Reply
JarredWalton - Monday, July 25, 2011 - linkMultiple passes produce higher quality by using a higher bitrate where it's needed and a lower bitrate where it's not. In a single-pass, constant bitrate encode, scenes where there's a lot of movement will show more compression artifacts. There's no need to do multiple passes for size considerations: you do a constant bitrate of 2.0Mbps (including audio) for 120 minutes and you will end up with a file size of very close to 1800MB (or if you prefer, 1717.61MiB). Variable bitrate with a single pass doesn't have an accurate file size. Reply
Vhozard - Monday, July 25, 2011 - linkVery few people still use constant bitrate encodes.
x264 works with a crf (constant rate factor), which gives constant *quality*; not constant bitrate!
There is very much a need to do multiple passes for size considerations as a constant bitrate will not give them optimal quality at all.
The quality between a crf (one-pass) of 15 that reaches a filesize of lets say 1 GBwill have almost exactly the same quality as a two-pass which is set at 1 GB.
I suggest you read the x264 wiki... Reply
JarredWalton - Monday, July 25, 2011 - linkSorry -- missed that you said CRF and not CBF. Reply
Kevin G - Monday, July 25, 2011 - linkOne thing worth noting is that the memory controller has to run at least twice the clock speed of the memory (ie, the memory controller runs at 3.2 Ghz for 1600 Mhz DDR3 rated memory). This is one of the reasons why Intel doesn't officially support memory speed higher than 1600 Mhz. Running the CPU cores and memory controller at the same clock speed should produce a benefit even if memory speed isn't improved (ie running the CPU and memory controller at 4.8 Ghz with 1600 Mhz memory). It would be interesting to see how just scaling the memory controller's speed affected performance.
I wish that their were a few game tests utilizing the integrated GPU. For a desktop, using a discrete graphics card for gaming is a new brainer over Intel's integrated graphics. However many laptops will only use Intel's solution and thus improving memory performance could be a means of improving gaming performance here. Further more, laptops are often lower resolution than 1920 x 1080 and thus the performance delta between memory speeds would be wider. Reply
RussianSensation - Monday, July 25, 2011 - linkBut even if laptops run at lower resolutions, they have much weaker CPUs and GPUs and generally have slow 5400 rpm hard drives. So if anything, memory speed will be even less important in a laptop since a laptop will be faced with all kinds if I/O, GPU and CPU bottlenecks.
Improving performance of Intel's gaming solution with faster memory is a waste of time. HD3000 is just a dog. If you want a budget gaming laptop, you get Llano. No amount of memory bandwidth is going to translate into a more playable gaming experience on the HD3000. Reply
Kevin G - Monday, July 25, 2011 - linkExcept that Llano is in the same situation as it too needs fast memory for better graphics performance. If DIMM manufacturers start rolling out high performance memory for Llano, Sandy bridge laptops can also benefit. So why not actually test to see what those benefits could be? Reply
orenlevy - Tuesday, July 26, 2011 - linkthere is defenetly gpu improvment on hd3000 i dont know why you are not benching on Z68 platform. personally i have z68 htpc and sure i noticed different lateness on normal use. we always like sppedy windows poping and that simply whats happans.
personally i say to myself "oh its about time to squeez little bit more from the sandybridge" even the G840 behave so different on 1600M cl8 Z68... Reply
jabber - Monday, July 25, 2011 - linkAs its such a waste of life. RAM hasnt been fun or that important since the good old DDR days.
They may as well just hardwire 4GB of bog standard ram onto the motherboard for most folks. Reply
silverblue - Monday, July 25, 2011 - linkMaybe they have, but RAM speed is important for iGPUs and especially so for APUs.
For those wondering where the Llano equivalent is...
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4476/amd-a83850-revi... Reply
silverblue - Monday, July 25, 2011 - linkDuh. The link is on the final page of this article. Reply
Kevin G - Monday, July 25, 2011 - linkThe main reason why RAM still comes on DIMMs is due to reliability and the need for expansion. Cost is also a factor, especially for motherboards with lot of RAM soldered on to it.
However, soldering down RAM in some situations does make sense. Expandability in laptops for example. Another area where soldiered RAM on a desktop motherboard would make sense is with the overclocking crowd. The RAM could be placed closer to the CPU socket which could easily increase clock speeds. The elimination of the edge connector on the DIMM would also significantly enhance signal strength too. Physical placement on the motherboard would allow for better cooling (larger heat sinks or water cooling with direct contract with the RAM chips). There would also be room for robust power delivery to the RAM chips on the motherboard. Reply
dac7nco - Monday, July 25, 2011 - linkI' glad there are still RAM reviews; 1.5v DDR3 1600 / CAS 7/7/7 gets me an additional 1 to 2 FPS in long Handbrake transcodes, which is a big part of my bread and butter.
Keep in mind, 1.5v, no higher, is the DDR3 spec, which is why you'll never see ECC DDR3 registered memory rated above that. Keep this in mind, Anand: Control your people! X58-rated memory has no place today.
Daimon Reply
jabber - Monday, July 25, 2011 - linkI still think the main selling pint for RAM is - How well does it match my motherboard?
Maybe a round up of modules with fancy spreaders and how they look in Asus/Gigabyte/Asrock/MSI boards. Reply
Rick83 - Monday, July 25, 2011 - linkFancy heat spreaders are the worst that has ever happened to RAM.
It gets worse when you have to pay more to get rid of it, as with the new low profile vengeance series from corsair.
Memory doesn't usually get that hot anyway, and the large heat spreaders impede airflow between the modules in fully populated setups, as well as limit what size your cooler can be, occasionally forcing you to get one of those water-cooler-in-a-box things which incur massive extra costs.
The only reason I don't want to have completely naked memory, is that the heat spreader gives the RAM some ESD protection, which is actually useful. Reply
JoJoman88 - Monday, July 25, 2011 - linkThe review just made your post the truest of them all jabber! Reply
Spacecomber - Monday, July 25, 2011 - linkIn the past, one reason to get faster rated memory is that you eventually would see a migration of what was the standard memory module to something running on a faster bus speed. I'm not sure if that really holds true, anymore. It seems that these days you are more likely to see the adoption of a completely new type of memory, rather than an existing standard sticking around long enough for the minimum required memory speeds it is based on to go up. Reply
geofelt - Monday, July 25, 2011 - linkOne of the price differentiators is the heat spreaders.
Apart from the aesthetics, where is the value of fancy heat spreaders? Can it be measured?
Seems to me that they are mostly marketing gimmicks, excepting perhaps for those used on overclocking competitions.
I would like to see some sort of a study to determine the value of heat spreaders. Reply
MrSpadge - Wednesday, July 27, 2011 - linkShort answer: nothing.
MrS Reply
BobDavid - Monday, July 25, 2011 - linksee subject Reply
JarredWalton - Monday, July 25, 2011 - linkSee the conclusion; we already did a look at that (with HD 3000 and Llano).
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4476/amd-a83850-revi... Reply
LoneWolf15 - Monday, July 25, 2011 - linkIvy Bridge will be out next year. There is a reasonable chance it could have a bump in memory bandwidth. Buy RAM at one or two multipliers above what you need now, and when the upgrade comes along, you won't be wishing for new RAM.
DDR3 is so cheap right now, it's worth planning ahead. Reply
dman - Monday, July 25, 2011 - linkI've been looking for a review like this for a while, was a good read even if it didn't come as a huge surprise. I'm definitely interested in the AMD platform results if/when those are available. Reply
SteveSweetz - Monday, July 25, 2011 - linkI was disappointed to see this article lacked the detail (and quantity) of the gaming tests versus it's predecessor on AnandTech: http://www.anandtech.com/show/2792/10
That article showed that memory frequency and latency changes had a greater impact in some games than others, and that in most cases the memory also had a greater impact on the minimum framerate (an important consideration) than average framerate.
Also disappointing to see no CAS6 sticks tested here. Particularly because 2GB 1600MHz CAS6 were relatively common at one point, but now, for whatever reason, G.Skill is the only company that still makes them. It'd be interesting to see if that's a meaningful exclusive. The previous article showed CAS latency being more important than frequency in some cases. Reply
mga318 - Monday, July 25, 2011 - linkYou mentioned Llano at the end, but in the Llano reviews & tests, memory bandwidth was tested primarily with little reference to latency. I'd be curious as to which is more important with a higher performance IGP like Llano's. Would CAS 7 (or 6) be preferrable over 1866 or 2166 speeds wtih CAS 8 or 9? Reply
DarkUltra - Monday, July 25, 2011 - linkHow about testing Valves particle benchmark or a source based game at low reslution with a non-geometry limited 3d card (fermi) and overclocked cpu? Valve did an incredible job with their game engine. They used a combination of fine-grained and coarse threading to max out all the cpu cores. Very few games can do that today, but may in the future. Reply
DarkUltra - Monday, July 25, 2011 - linkWhy test with 4GB? RAM is cheap, most people who buy the premium 2600K should pair it with two 4GB modules. I imagine Windows would require 4GB ram and games the same in the future. Just look at all the .net developers out there, .net usually results in incredible memory bloated programs. Reply
dingetje - Monday, July 25, 2011 - linkhehe yeah
.net sucks Reply
Atom1 - Monday, July 25, 2011 - linkMost algorithms on CPU platform are optimized to have their data 99% of time inside the CPU cache. If you look at the SisSoft Sandra where there is a chart of bandwidth as a function of block size copied you can see that CPU cache is 10-50x faster than global memory depending on the level. Linpack here is no exception. The primary reason for success of linpack is its ability to have data in CPU cache nearly all of the time. Therefore, if you do find an algorithm which can benefit considerably from global memory bandwidth, you can be sure it is a poor job on the programmers side. I think it is a kind of a challenge to see which operations and applications do take a hit when the main memory is 2x faster or 2x slower. I would be interested to see where is the breaking point, when even well written software starts to take a hit. Reply
DanNeely - Monday, July 25, 2011 - linkThat's only true for benchmarks and highly computationally intensive apps (and even there many problem classes can't be packed into the cache or written to stream data into it). In the real world where 99% of software's performance is bound by network IO, HD IO, or user input trying to tune data to maximize the CPU cache is wasted engineering effort. This is why most line of business is written using java or .net, not C++; the finer grained memory control of the latter doesn't benefit anything while the higher level nature of the former allows for significantly faster development. Reply
Rick83 - Monday, July 25, 2011 - linkI think image editing (simple computation on large datasets) and engineering software (numerical simulations) are two types of application that benefit more than average from memory bandwidth, and in the second case, latency.
But, yeah, with CPU caches reaching the tens of Megabytes, Memory bandwidth and latency is getting less important for many problems. Reply
MrSpadge - Wednesday, July 27, 2011 - linkTrue.. large matrix operations love bandwidth and low latency never hurts. I've seen ~13% speedup on part of my Matlab code going from DDR3-1333 CL9 to DDR3-1600 CL9 on an i7 870!
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Patrick Wolf - Monday, July 25, 2011 - linkYou don't test CPU gaming benchmarks at normal settings cause you may become GPU limited so why do it here?
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/sa... Reply
dsheffie - Monday, July 25, 2011 - link....uh...Linpack is just LU which in turn is just DGEMM. DGEMM has incredible operand reuse (O(sqrt(cache size)). Reply
Black1969ta - Monday, July 25, 2011 - linkThis article ignores a very important factor in choosing RAM, that is overclocking ability, sure the delta between 1333 and 2133 is not very large within the same stick of RAM that is down-clocked but what about a 1333 stick that is overclocked. Can the $50 stick of 1333 perform at 2133 or even 1866, etc... that the $150 DDR3-2133 does with no problem.
I would like to get a i7-2600K and overclock it to 4.8GHz, but I wanted to know the cheapest stick of RAM that will allow that with no compromise, this article doesn't tell anything useful, sure a good expensive stick is a good expensive stick at any speed, but what about a cheaper stick? Reply
compudaze - Monday, July 25, 2011 - linkThat's a chance you just have to take youself. Just because my brand X model Y value DDR3-1333 ram will run at DDR3-2133 CL9 at 1.65V doesn't mean that you're guaranteed to get the same results if you buy the same make/model value DDR3-1333 ram. Same with CPU's & GPU's. Reply
xsilver - Friday, August 05, 2011 - linkbut for someone not in the know, how well generally does 1333 ram overclock. Some generations the bargain basement ram has no headroom at all and some generations, most basement ram has enough headroom to get where you need.
Also, as an addendum, maybe you could also test ram size scaling as well as speed. I as well as others maybe contemplating 16gb ram and wondering if its worth it. Reply
Chris383 - Monday, July 25, 2011 - linkI think you guys are missing the point of faster memory. It just depends on the work load most applications are written for linear code or at least i am guessing so. But what happens when you add more than one program at the same time or 3-5 programs at the same time i think then you would start to see why memory performance really does matter. And some games not most but some games will start to show a very big increase in performance with faster memory. Example FarCry2, GTA4, Starcraft2, now some of this maybe caused by poor memory management of the video card or lack of vmem but from my findings even with enough vmem you still will see some very big changes in FPS with faster/tighter memory speeds (provided your not cpu or gpu limited)
That being said for most people playing games at lower resolutions like 1080 and below memory speed is really not needed 1333 will suffice plenty good but when your doing 3,4+MP screens you will defiantly want to take into consideration some faster memory for your rig. Reply
ypsylon - Tuesday, July 26, 2011 - linkI don't get it why home users are so over-excited about memory over 1600 MHz? For gaming buying e.g. 2133 memory is as wise as buying Mercedes Maybach for trips to local grocery store.
Fast memory has very limited usage (medicine, NASA etc...) and certainly home desktop/gaming rig doesn't qualify for that. Furthermore if you want to OC system, then whole point of OC is to buy cheap [read: cheap doesn't = crap] and squeeze every little bit of performance out of it. Stay at 1333/1600 level. 2000 or more is for [beeep!] with humongous e-penis running benchmarks 365/24/7. Biggest advantage of 1333/1600 range is that by default pretty much every chipset and motherboard support it right now.
Running perfectly standard Kingstons 1333 at 1800 without any fancy cooling or changed timings, just bumped BClk on my x58. Even with current prices I'm 100$+ up just by doing this (2 triple sets). And RAMDisk created on that memory certainly isn't slow and eats every SSD for breakfast. Reply
Hrel - Tuesday, July 26, 2011 - linkSO happy you posted this. I JUST ordered a new laptop, didn't upgrade the RAM at all cause it was overpriced. Now I know I'm going to order 2 4GB DIMMS of DDR3 1600 for it, Cas latency 9 be damned, haha. Thanks so much!
I was apparently giving way too much credit to CAS latency, I was going to get 1066 Cas 7. Didn't realize pure bandwidth was so important nowadays. I remember an old memory article like this comparing DDR3 for i7 920's and such, whatever that family is called. 1600 cas 7 came out on top their. Odd that Sandy Bridge changes that, but I'm glad I know.
I'd like to see more articles like this, and less articles about EVERY stupid smartphone under the sun. Reply
Rick83 - Wednesday, July 27, 2011 - link7/1,066,000,000Hz = ~6.56 e-9 s
9/1,600,000,000Hz = 5.625 e-9 s
So in fact, the 1600Mhz CL9 RAM has a one nanosecond lower effective latency.
Always remember that CAS latency is in cycles, which take a different amount of time according to the clock speed. Reply
schulmaster - Wednesday, July 27, 2011 - linkTests are not 'ran', tests are 'run.' You can say we ran tests, but you must say we have run them. This site is way to technically proficient and intelligent for glaring mistakes in homepage articles. I know for at least some of you, English is a second+ language; if that's the case, send me your articles and I'll proof them for free. Reply
Black1969ta - Wednesday, July 27, 2011 - link"This site is way to technically proficient"
to here refers to excessive, like too much but you left out the extra "o" so the means something totally different.
If you want to be a Grammar Nazi, use proper English, especially when you are using it as an advertisement. Reply
schulmaster - Thursday, July 28, 2011 - linkmy man. Reply
Rajinder Gill - Friday, July 29, 2011 - linkLOL!
Caught with your pants down there sir. Reply
Isaac the k - Tuesday, August 02, 2011 - linkMemory above DDR3-1333 is plentiful and cheap.
Sandy Bridge benefits from the bump up to 1600.
Mobo's all can handle the higher spec'ed memory.
WHY IS INTEL SPEC'ING THE NEW I7's FOR 1333 INSTEAD OF 1600 BY DEFAULT?
I don't want to have to futz with my BIOS just to get my memory to run at STOCK timings!
Why the HELL are they crippling the basic utility of their chips??
I grant you, it isn't a major increase in performance, but why set the ceiling so low? why not set it higher and let the mobo manufacturers choose what their boards are compatible with??? Reply
shriganesh - Wednesday, August 24, 2011 - linkThis article is thoughtful and very good news for mid-end to high-end system builders :)
There's absolutely no need to pay extra for those faster and better memory modules!! Reply
ryedizzel - Tuesday, September 20, 2011 - linkThank you very much for this article. I have been memory shopping for a couple days now and debating on different memory speeds vs. latency vs. price. I wish I had the lab setup to test them all. Thanks again! Reply
James D - Monday, November 28, 2011 - linkOn each speed type (1333, 1600, 1866 etc.) you used only slightly different timings! For example for speed 1333 Mhz you had:
1) 7-7-7-18
2) 8-8-8-18
3) 9-9-9-18
In this case of course you won't get much different results! Don't you know that changing CL and other timings you can change tRAS timings which is the minimum number of clock cycles needed to access a certain row of data in RAM between the data request and the precharge command.
OF COURSE you won't get big difference if you didn't change tRAS! If you lower all other timings then most likely you can decrease tRAS which also will increase performance.
Please rebench all these with slightly different all types of timings. It means a lot for results. Reply
poohbear - Saturday, December 17, 2011 - linkThanks for running the gaming benchmarks @ 1920x1080 to show us practical results (ie there were none!). i hate it when they run these benchmarks @ 800x600 or some nonsensical low resolution to show us a difference that we really could care less about in 2011. Reply

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