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If you're like most travelers, you hold your breath at airport luggage carousels. You don't feel like you've fully arrived at your destination until your luggage shows up.
Travelers who have lost luggage know losing a bag can happen to anyone no matter where you travel.
But wait a minute. After your bag shows on the carousel and the relief subsides, do you spend a few minutes to check the bag over before rushing out of the airport?
Most travelers probably don't. They just haul away their luggage and don't bother giving it a once over until they unpack it at home.
Oops, not so fast. Every time you unload your suitcase from the baggage carousel you should take a few minutes to check it out before leaving the airport.
Here's why. At most airports, making an in-person lost luggage claim, while inconvenient, is an integral and important element in the world of travel today.
It's common knowledge that if your bag is lost you should file a claim before exiting the airport. Besides, you'll want to give the airport representative your contact information so they can deliver your bag when it does arrive.
But many travelers don't realize that if your bag is damaged, you should also file a claim, at the airport, not when you get home. At that time it's your word against theirs regarding where the damage took place, at the airport and your home or during the time the airline was handling your luggage.
After you've spotted a broken zipper on your luggage, or tears or dents due to the handling process, head over to the airline's lost (and damaged) claim area at the airport with your claims checks in hand. Here's where time can move more slowly than the rest of the world. Talk yourself into staying cool, pleasant and patient.
Keep in mind that you may be entitled to having the airline repair or replace your suitcase. If items inside the bag were damaged or destroyed due to faulty baggage handling, you may be reimbursed, but you'll undoubtedly have to prove their value by way of receipts.
Be prepared to hear that the airline may dispute your repair or replacement claim. They may say those nicks and dents on the bag are due to normal wear and tear. If these are very minor abrasions, chances are your claim will be denied. And they also may be willing to repair one or more areas of your suitcase but not repair or replace the bag's broken wheels.
- If you have a photo of your bag taken before the last flight, this will help prove your bag is not in the same condition that it arrived. Some travelers take a photo of my bag with a camera that dates the photo ? you can easily do this with a camera phone if you aren't carrying a camera. If you are using photos to show the condition of the bag, take several photos from all angles.
- Airlines usually have a 24-48 hour time frame for making a damaged bag claim.
- If you are starting the claims process at the airport where you are changing planes, don't leave your bag with the representative. If they insist on keeping the bag so they can send it out to repair, ask for a replacement bag immediately so you can easily continue on your flight. Sure, you'll have to take everything out of your bag, but it may be better than having to buy a new bag or repair it at your own cost when you get home.
- If the airline agrees to repair or replace your bag, they may suggest you take the damage bag to your nearest airport at home. This sounds like a good plan but make sure you have all the paperwork in tow before you leave the claims office. Get the agent's name, as well as name of supervisor, and direct phone number, and fax number of the claims office where you initiated the claim.
- If it's time to replace your suitcase, look for well-made luggage.
- Look for bags that have soft-sided yet strong material like those with ballistic nylon. Other advantages are that they are flexible and durable.
- Don't over-pack your suitcase. If you do, it's prone to having a broken zipper or gauged-in sides.
- Don't have protruding straps, hanger hooks or other items sticking out of the bag.
- If you have fancy, expensive luggage in light colors like yellow or pink, recognize that these bags will probably get dirty if you check them.
- Expandability: Shop for suitcases that have an 'expansion' feature--usually a second zippered compartment on the outside to allow you to add room inside as you need it. This is great for trips where you know you'll be buying gifts or souvenirs during your travels.
Price: Think of buying luggage as being a good investment. Buy brands that have features that will give you the most miles for your money.
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how do you sign your work?
Posted 06 November 2012 - 02:47 AM
the sad part about this story is that the works had come from the collection of an elderly lady whose children sold everything, 40 pieces or so, without understanding what they had. even sadder, many of the pots had been separated from each other so that the 3 piece set of oil and vinegar plus tray to hold them were on different shelves and priced individually. some were missing lids. some were such odd shapes (because they were a part of a 3/4 part set) that they were completely misunderstood. a sake set which is separated makes no sense to the ordinary shopper and rates a $3 or $4 price tag on each piece.
the signature of an artist should be legible in my opinion. it is a pet peeve of mine that the proud owner of a specific stamp which has a very unusual alphabet thinks his or her mark is a symbol of authorship never to be confused with any other maker. well, maybe it is. but for the person who sees some lovely thing in a store, on a collectors shelf, in a gallery or even the store i refer to above, it is a complete mystery. that seeker of another pot by the same maker is stumped by the very thing the maker is so proud of.
if we take the trouble to make a beautiful pot, should we not take a couple of seconds to put a LEGIBLE signature on it to let people know who we are so they might seek us out to buy more??????
and, if you have not yet done so, mark your personal collection in some way that your heirs will recognize their value. even if you are not an old lady.
Posted 06 November 2012 - 03:12 AM
Posted 06 November 2012 - 03:21 AM
This was years ago as I did two signatures as as they changed over time. May be someone can provide a link-I'll mouse around after my glaze fire tonight for it. I knew it was easy to find but that was years ago.
Posted 06 November 2012 - 06:36 AM
I sign my work with a porcupine quill. I have signed it that way for 45 years.
Posted 06 November 2012 - 09:49 AM
Posted 06 November 2012 - 02:21 PM
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 06:45 PM
If it was '73 then that would have been Studio Potter which started in '72. Potters Council is about 12 or 13 years old having celebrated the 10 Anniversary not too long ago.
I sign my work with a porcupine quill. I have signed it that way for 45 years.
That's awesome, even more so if you tackled and removed the quill from the porcupine yourself.
I sign my work with a "Thumb" tool, my Dad passed on to me.
Posted 06 November 2012 - 09:27 PM
my point was supposed to be that the potential buyer, an ordinary person, has probably never heard of either Studio Potter or the Potters Council but CAN read letters that are legible.
Posted 07 November 2012 - 06:31 AM
Posted 07 November 2012 - 09:15 AM
I also put the date (year) on. I think it could be an interesting subject for a PhD thesis some time in the future
I sign all of my work with a dull pencil, many times over a piece of clear plastic to keep from burring. I also have an old printing letter R that I stamp at an edge, and I do put a year on my pieces. As time has gone on, I have realized for my own reference that I want to know when I made something. All too many times I have seen my work other places, and for the life of me can't figure out exactly when it was made. Guess senility is setting in.
Posted 07 November 2012 - 09:26 AM
With my right hand.
Seriously,.............. I currently use my first initial and last name in cursive usually written at just the right time with a ball point pen. Like Pres...... a dull pencil works too if I don't have an old pen handy. I don't date things on the work.
Over the 40+ years the nature of the marking has changed. I can personally recognize dating of my work by the nature of the signature. My handwriting has changed and hiow I use it has changed. For a while I did use a stamp that was my first and last initial usually on smaller pieces.
(I do have a hanko -stamp- that I frequently use when in Japan........ since hanko are the actual "legal" binding mark there,... not your signature. But I also often use my English signature with it.)
John Baymore
Adjunct Professor of Ceramics; New Hampshire Insitute of Art
Former Guest Professor, Wuxi Institute of Arts and Science, Yixing, China
Former President and Past President; Potters Council
Posted 07 November 2012 - 11:52 AM
I guess it is up to the buyers/vendors to make sure that they do not re-sell work that might be worth a lot. And if they do not, it is their loss! And this is why so many people go to shops like this, to find gems. With Google one can do so much today.
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Posted 07 November 2012 - 12:11 PM
The potters council has a data base of all our registered marks for many years now so humans will know we made the stuff as long as they have computers that run-Maybe someone could post the link-I'm firing and out of time-I did give two signatures as mine has changed over the past 40 years-I sign 99% of work-always have.
I'd love to see this database if it exists... and if it doesn't, it would be great to see something like this set up...
Posted 07 November 2012 - 02:44 PM
Even if the local pottery shop that fires my stuff didn't require it, I'd still mark my work with something to say that I did it. It's a point of pride: yes, this is mine. To quote the movie Beetlejuice, "And I don't mean mine as in I bought it. I made it. It's my sculpture."
Posted 07 November 2012 - 03:41 PM
Actually a friend from South Africa got the quills from some annoying porcupine and gave me some. They are very long 7-13".
If it was '73 then that would have been Studio Potter which started in '72. Potters Council is about 12 or 13 years old having celebrated the 10 Anniversary not too long ago.
I sign my work with a porcupine quill. I have signed it that way for 45 years.
That's awesome, even more so if you tackled and removed the quill from the porcupine yourself.
I sign my work with a "Thumb" tool, my Dad passed on to me.
Posted 08 November 2012 - 03:54 AM
Chris Seminara Ceramics
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 09:43 AM
Interesting topic. I used to sign my work TR. Then I shared a studio and taught evening pottery classes with a guy with the initials TR. He had a beard and I didn't, so at class time, the students would say,"Do you have the guy with the beard, or the guy without the beard?".
I started signing my last name with a dull pencil. No date. When I was at the Bray, there was a potter there with the same last name as me. [Roberts], so I started using my first initial and last name. I now paint my name on the bottom of all my work. Sometimes it's quite tricky if the piece is small. But since I decorate all of my work with brush decoration, the signature relates to the decoration.
The curse of having a common name i,[Tom Roberts], is how to make myself stand out. I guess I just have to make great work that speaks for itself.
Posted 08 November 2012 - 04:47 PM
I laid out a slab of modeller's wax today and tried forming a few from porcelain... I'll now bisque them and see how they work. I work with a lot of marine motifs, so I tried for a seal's head/body with the year and studio name.
Oldlady's post about the importance of a clear signature is an interesting one. I can certainly envision that a buyer might look for a sig or mark on a piece... but I'd have thought that anyone educated enough to search out a specific maker would also be able to research what their 'mark' looked like, even if it was a graphic rather than a 'signature'. Thoughts?
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Intel Dual Core Performance Preview Part I: First Encounterby Anand Lal Shimpi on 4/4/2005 2:44 PM EST
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haveblue128 - Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - linkOnly downside but I think a majorleague heat solution should make everything sweet Reply
haveblue128 - Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - linkOh Please give us a break. If you want to be a purist, go live in the woods without clothes. I say that multitasking makes my day a breeze.
Whats your dilemma?? Reply
haveblue128 - Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - linkWow-I just purchased a new sys with an Intel Dual CPU setup. As a multitasking monster on my machine, I was always having crashes in the past.
I think that is gone with George Bush in 2008. THe good news is the dual core pair is already hear and ready to run. Give them a try-no downside, albeit a good bit of heat. That is something I will need to work on, but.... Reply
peufeu - Monday, May 09, 2005 - linkI forgot to mention... gentoo linux ;) Reply
peufeu - Monday, May 09, 2005 - linkDual CPUs to compensate for the inept MS Windows.
I'm torturing a webserver I just wrote, on my laptop. It's in Python. Right now it's serving about 2000 requests per second with 1000 concurrent connections.
I don't even notice it's running. The CPU gauge is at 100%, so what ? Nothing special. As reactive as usual. It doesn't swap. The harddisk even put itself in standby....
Go, bill, go !
shady28 - Sunday, April 17, 2005 - link
Making special tests just for these processors seems a bit contrived to me. In particular, comparing dual core processors to a Pentium 4 with HT disabled, in a multithreading/multitasking benchmark, is just plane lame.
I would have been a lot more interested in seeing how dual core compares in multitasking vs dual opterons or dual Xeons. Right now it looks like dual core is slower at doing one task at a time, suprisingly not that much faster at doing two tasks at a time than HT Pentium 4s. The only exceptions were the off the wall tests done at the end.
Since these new 'benchmarks' are made to simulate 'real life use', does that mean that all Anand's previous reviews were bogus?
JimGunn - Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - linkI think I will want one of these for my next video editing & encoding workstation. Will come in handy for HDV post I am sure! Reply
BoBOh - Monday, April 11, 2005 - linkWhere are the code compile tests. We're not all gamers, some are software developers! :)
BoB Reply
warath - Friday, April 08, 2005 - linkI can't wait to see 64-bit dual cores! :) Reply
WoodenPupa - Thursday, April 07, 2005 - linkWell, I'm not a tech whiz like everyone else here, but here's my 2 centavos...
I can attest to the fact that every machine I ever buy, I bring it to its knees. I usually wait several generations before I upgrade in order to get a more profound effect. Yet that strategy doesn't seem to matter because no matter how fast my computer is, I find that my NORMAL computing habits end up crushing the CPU and everything else.
I use Cool Edit Pro and some other audio programs, and I am also a chess player, and like to anyalyze games in the background with Fritz or Chessbase, both of which allow for gigantic hash tables. So as a typical case I like to do wave transforms and chess analysis as background items while I compose e-mails or use Word for more serious writing. Naturally I like to listen to music at the same time, but usually I have to give that up. Needless to say, all of this stuff cripples my computer---I'm due for an upgrade, I know---my box is a 2.53 GHz P4, 1 GB of Rambus 800 (no groaning, please), a GF4 ti 4600, 120 GB HD, I'm not even sure what the cache on that is, I don't think it's 8 or 5 MB---feels more like 2.
I usually end up quitting the Chess program or the Mp3 player---once in a while I can do all of this stuff concurrently if the wave transforms on cool edit aren't too complex, and I minimize the hash tables on the chess program.
Ideally I want everything to be instantaneous, but...:) Anyway, from what it sounds like, I need a dual or even quad processor setup. Because even with all the above mentioned programs running, I can think of more I would like to add. I'm a monster multitasker and really like to kick a computer right in the face, to show it who's boss. I'm tired of winning, though---I'd love it if one day the computer just scoffed at everything I threw at it. Sadly, I don't think it'll happen in my lifetime.
Should I upgrade to a dual core, or should I save and get a true multi-CPU Mobo like a quad Xeon?? Reply
Icehawk - Thursday, April 07, 2005 - linkThe idea is - there are things I'd like to do but currently can't - can these new processors allow it?
Ie, Doom3, Azareus, and DVDShrink at once. YES, that IS a realistic test because it is something I'd like to do. Instead I have a second PC eating up electricity to handle downloading & encoding tasks.
Ok, I gotta go read Pt 2! Reply
michael2k - Thursday, April 07, 2005 - linkDid you even read the rest of my post, DaDVD?
I quote myself, just in case you didn't see it the first time:
Here's a reason why importing a PST file while opening Photoshop is a valid benchmark:
If you're using, say, Premiere to create a movie, and you want to create a mask, you have Premiere in the background rendering the previews, transitions, and SFX (CPU+HD load) while you open Photoshop, import a frame from the movie, and create your mask.
You then go back to Premiere, apply your mask, and continue editing.
That is also why the DVDShrink test is so important: It's doing a background video encode while the foreground is doing other stuff, which nicely simulates a video workstation load.
Not everyone is a gamer, and not everyone is a casual user. There are some people who make movies, compile code, develop software, and write games, and some of us do read AnandTech.
I'm not ripping hundreds of DVDs, but I have been known to make make about four DVDs a year, and out of those 4 DVDs, I will 'mass produce' each one about 10 times; some of them only get a handful of copies, like 3 or 4, while others get massive numbers of copies, like 20 or 30.
The process of making a DVD is about five hours to get the movie ready and two hours to get the DVD ready, and half an hour per burn.
This is on a 933MHz machine. With a dual, according to the data provided by DVD shrink and importing PST files, that time might go down to two hours to get the movie ready (essentially realtime) and half and hour to get the DVD ready (again realtime), and with the new 8x burners, 10 minutes per DVD.
So if I make 50 DVDs a year, instead of spending 78 hours on it, I can more likely spend 18 hours on it. This on top of the OTHER things I do, like coding and compiling (both of which used to take three hours compiling Mozilla and Firefox on a 400MHz machine, and one hour on a 933MHz machine), or Photoshop, or making photomosaics (a 8000 picture photomosaic takes about 15 hours). Your complaint is like saying, "Reviewing DooM3 at 2048x1600 on the newest NVIDIA card is ludicrous because no one does that!" Reply
phantom505 - Thursday, April 07, 2005 - linkI didn't read every single post here, but the ones I did make me wonder are the ones that are moaning about who beats who to the market.
The problem I see is that Intel has no more room to move up in clock speed. AMD does. That means AMD will not be forced into making larger dies as fast as Intel *must*. (where's that 4 GHz chip at?) How the heck is that not a serious advantage?
I'm sure AMD will have to get better multi-tasking going, but compared to what CPU's I still work with are so crude (P3's, older P4's, K7's) I don't see that as being absolutely critical to general system use.
Bottom line is always price, and if Intel has twice the core size, take a guess what the price will be vs AMD's single core. Reply
xsilver - Thursday, April 07, 2005 - link#111 I find that running multiple ANY programs on an amd64 will screw up the workload; eg browsing and watching dvd; or ripping one disc while watching another; I wouldnt mind if it was something that took 100% cpu cycles so that leaves none for other tasks but browsing and watching dvd at the same time? WTF?
#da dvd
I think you are mistaken with the benchmarking that has taken place previously not with what anand is doing now -- benchmarks at many places are done with fresh installs, no sound, tweaked settings, nothing running in background. What anand is doing right now may be a bit extreme; eg. running more things than usual but I don't suppose you do a fresh format everytime you run doom3 either eh? get my point? Reply
PrinceGaz - Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - link#104 is right. It's not dual-core CPUs or HT that make multi-tasking so much more efficient, it's the efficiency of the Windows Scheduler, or lack of. Personally if I set off stuff I want to run in the background for any length of time, I use Task Manager to reduce its priority to Below Normal so it doesn't slow down anything else I'm working on. I shouldn't have to do that, but there's a difference between foreground application priority, and automatic long-term background low-priority (which Windows does not have). I don't care if it takes five minutes or five hours to finish encoding a movie as it's a background task and I'm in no hurry for the results.
Manually lowering the priority of intensive tasks makes a world of difference to responsiveness of seemingly hung apps, such as opening DScaler (a TV deinterlacer/viewer) when some other application is using 100% CPU. I'm surprised Anand didn't just try using Task Manager to lower the priority of whatever was thrashing the CPU so that Outlook could startup quickly.
The advantages of a dual-core processor are very real, every bit as good as dual-core workstations that according to AT no-one has needed until today. I've long been a proponent of dual CPU machines; the mobos don't cost that much more than single CPU versions (though overclocking is rarely, if ever an option on them). The benefits for many people far outweigh the disadvantages of slightly higher cost and slightly lower individual CPU speed. Of course the reduced speed is something you also get with dual-core processors.
It's good to know that all of a sudden to coincide with dual-core CPUs, everyone has just switched from runing single applications in isolation, to running multiple heavy-duty apps at once. It's rather fortunate people weren't multi-tasking like this in the past (ahem) otherwise the lack of dual processor desktop recommendations would have been a major oversight. Reply
Son of a N00b - Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - linkHe did not incluse Xeons or Opertunes for obvious reasons...one, this is a DESKTOP cpu not a workstation one, and this article is comparing desktop cpu's, because no dual core workstation cpu's are out...
2 because you can simply look at an old review, why make more work? Reply
Da DvD - Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - linkI wanted to add something, how many DVDs to people posess, that ripping them is seen as a common task? Despite my nickname, I only own a few DVDs and sometimes hire one. Do I rip these? No, someone else already did and shared it via P2P. Which means i'll be downloading them, not ripping them.
People are talking about price/performance but they forget that they only perform the tasks where DC is twice as fast a few times per month. So the overall performance increase is what, 5%?
So at the moment, unless you're in the bussiness of constantly ripping DVDs while being addicted to games, what use is Dual-Core for the average user? Reply
Da DvD - Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - link"He wasn't adapting the workload to the product, he was adapting the workload to our requests."
Exactly. Doesn't this imply this review will only be helpfull for the few people who made those requests? I won't be ripping DVD's while playing a game. For as simple a reason as that my game disc is in the drive. I won't find myself in the situation where i'm packing files with winRAR while playing a game. Simply because it only takes a few minutes anyway. (Who the hell packs his whole harddrive?) And how often do you import Outlook databases while playing a game? When do you import those things anyway? After reinstalling windows? I certainly dont play games at that stage. So perhaps this allows me to run intensive download programs while gaming? Yes, it does. But my current pc runs Azureus and eMule along with Doom3 just fine, thank you very much. Reply
nweaver - Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - linkYou could try using Radview Webload to automate web page surfing for benchmarks. It has page load timers and several other cool features. We use it in house for web site load testing. Reply
michael2k - Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - link#121: If you read Anand's blog, a bunch of us ASKED him to test this way. These tests DO reflect our 'typical' user workloads. He wasn't adapting the workload to the product, he was adapting the workload to our requests.
Here's a reason why importing a PST file while opening Photoshop is a valid benchmark:
If you're using, say, Premiere to create a movie, and you want to create a mask, you have Premiere in the background rendering the previews, transitions, and SFX (CPU+HD load) while you open Photoshop, import a frame from the movie, and create your mask.
You then go back to Premiere, apply your mask, and continue editing.
That is also why the DVDShrink test is so important: It's doing a background video encode while the foreground is doing other stuff, which nicely simulates a video workstation load.
Not everyone is a gamer, and not everyone is a casual user. There are some people who make movies, compile code, develop software, and write games, and some of us do read AnandTech. Reply
Da DvD - Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - linkMany of you are making a huge mistake. You are proposing insane multitasking tests to 'bring these processors to their knees'. This is wrong! Since when do we adjust the review to the product?
This is similar to only running benchmarks whose working sets fit completely into the 2mb cache of a new cpu. In other words, when you review a product like this, do NOT suddenly change all your variables, keep them as you always had them. Later on, you can adjust variables (tests), and draw your conclusions accordingly.
Also, I hope people understand that when Anand would have run these test on a dual Xeon 3.2 system, the results would have been virtually the same. You ALREADY KNOW dual cpu systems can be twice as fast as single cpu systems in certain tests, and show no improvement at all in others.
I really appreciate the article in general, but it would have been SO much better when the PICTURE would have been complete. For this, a dual Opteron system and a dual Xeon system should have been included, AND the tests should have a reflected typical user workloads. If for some reason all cpu's would have been dualcore already, -I- still wouldn't be importing PST files while running my games. Again, when reviewing something, it's wrong to adapt the workload to the product. This is why some people now question your integrety, Anand, because quickly reading through the article DOES give the impression Dual-Core is THE thing, while there's so much it is not!
And yes, i do realize you don't have dual Opteron/Xeon rigs at hand, but still, you choose to present this incomplete picture. It was a choice, but not necessarily the correct one ;-)
DvD Reply
Zebo - Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - linkAnand for game marks I like to see a dvdshrink deep analysis/encode, with grabit downloading 8 threads with plenty more cued, some seti at home, then run farcry and report FPS.:D
That will bring these single procesors to thier knees obviously but I want to see if DC is really worth it since that's the type of choices I'm forced to choose between.
tjahns - Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - linkAs I am not a regular reader nor familiar with the benchmarks used in this article, I am rather disappointed that the scales on the graphs in this article do not indicate what is being measured nor whether "higher is better" or "lower is better". Reply
Calin - Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - linkWhat would be better in games (I think), especially in first person shooter games, would be to compare the lowest frames per second, and not the highest or the averaged frame rate. And I think this would represent an tremendous advantage for multiprocessors/multicore Reply
Calin - Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - link"Nice article, as always. I wonder how memory bandwidth increases/decreases will effect the performance of the already bandwidth hungry intel processors."
The Intel processors are no longer bandwidth hungry, as the move to the 1066FSB showed. However, throw a second processor into the mix, and things might change Reply
Calin - Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - linkThe Register has a small review on it, and compare it against a dual Xeon rig
Icehawk - Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - linkGreat article - loved the multitasking benchmarks.
Here's what I have running all the time:
WinAmp 5
Outlook 2003
Firefox 1.02
Norton A/V2005
drivers for audio & video :)
How is my performance affected by multiple Word, Excel, Pshop CS windows? Can I game with them open or do I still need to shut everything down like on my current system? Could I encode a DVD and play a game? Play a DVD off one drive and encode off another?
As mentioned some of what I want to know is can I do things that currently require me to really run two boxes? I recently moved Azareus (torrent client) and all of my DVD encoding & burning to a second rig. Reply
Macro2 - Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - linkNo games tested at all? Since when does this happen? Intel doesn't want dual core to look bad so Anandtech doesn't bench ANY games at all.
Come on guys, judging by the article below on the Inquirer I'm not the only one who is suspicious.
Same ole' same ole' Reply
snorre - Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - linkWhy did you exclude dual CPU (Opteron/Xeon) systems from your comparisons?
I recommend that you guys at Anandtech read this:
Well said! ;-)
Bathrone - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - linkWhat about the new extreme edition and I think WinXP only supports a maximum of two cpus? Im not keen to goto 2003 Server. What are Microsoft going to do - patch XP to support 4 cpus? Reply
hosto - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - link#110 - did you notice better performance on the p4 that you used to have? because on single instance of firefox, the amd chips blow the p4's away....yet, when i have multiple panes open with my a64 it chugs quite nastily if there is flash content. Is there some way that macromedia have optimised the flash player for the P4 for firefox? i wonder if the same slowdowns would be noticeable with internet explorer, or if it is specific to the player in firefox/mozilla? Reply
xsilver - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - link#106
I hope you mean in multithreaded apps, as has been said many times before... single threaded apps run the SAME, therefore no benchies were included
So true --- its the only reason why I wish I still had my p4HT over the amd64 Reply
xsilver - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - linkANAND ... for your gaming benchmarks I recommend a scattering of commonly used programs
1) the lot of antivirus, trillian, firefox, spyware running in background
2) gaming related stuff like teamspeak or an audio cd playing in the background (to drown out the crappy game music :)
any other gaming related stuff would be good too....
if dual core proves itself, there should be no performance drop, whereas the single core will drop somewhat Reply
hosto - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - linkthats funny the comment about the flash going slowly in firefox on the AMD processors in the benchmark..ive noticed the same on my athlon64 3200+ that i cannot have too many flash sites opening without it chugging. Reply
sprockkets - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - linkthis would be funny, but if simply having another core helps out with responsiveness and nothing else, I'm getting the dual VIA C3 mini-itx board hahahahaha!
OK, not dual core, but hell, it's still small enough and they take only 7w each. Reply
ksteele - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - linkI would like to see some "apple to apple" benchmarks by removing the clock speed disparities.
Pentium D 820 2.8Ghz versus Pentium 4 520 2.8Ghz
Pentium D 830 3.0Ghz versus Pentium 4 530 3.0Ghx
Pentium D 840 3.2Ghz versus Pentium 4 540 3.2Ghz
This will allow us to see the true benefit of dual cores without the speed differences.
mino - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - linksorry for some typpo's Reply
mino - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - link#101 and some others
You'are mistaken, Inquirer is NOT to be compared to AT. Is is solely news/romours/opinions site and THAT IS THEY ARE BEST AT ! The practical(not theoretical as at CNN...)non-existence of censorship makes them what they are.
One thing for sure: they make biased and wrong stance against AT on this, but this is what they do almost all the time.
The beauty of The Inquirer's approach to journalism is that it let's the reader choose which report is to be taken seriously. They even state it in articles regularly.
I just hate those juornalists that usurp the right for correct judgement just for themselves.
Just to make clear: I'm in no relation to The Inq. except readeship.
To Anand:
This is one of the best articles(at all) a have read so far. And it looks like it's going to be even better when it's completed. Keep up the good work.
To topic: One thing should be noted. That is that the VERY poor performance at the singlecore(AMD & intel HT off) scenarios is NOT to be atributed to their inferiority but mostly to the incredibly crappy windows scheduler. Availability of multiple CPU's to it just partly hides its inefficiencies. Let's face it. HT is mainly a Windows baby. No way Intel would make the trouble developing it *NIX system were the main ones. Reply
ksteele - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - linkI noticed the dual core's have 1MB L2 cache. Does this mean they are 5xx based? Do they support Intel EM64T, XD Bit and Enhanced Intel Speedstep Technology? Reply
Gatak - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - link#83 So you do not think that a game can utilize two CPUs? Run physics and I/O on one Core and render 3D and textures on the other.
Also, Even though a game is single threaded, you still have the OS in the background, you have the video and audio card drivers running in separate threads. harddisk I/O and interrupt handling is also spread out on multiple cores. Reply
kjohnson - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - linkI now put the Inquirer on the same level as CNN. Fox News is a better comparison. Reply
slatr - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - linkSorry.. how about a lightwave scene rendering at the same time as running a filter on a large image in photoshop. Reply
slatr - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - linkReply
slatr - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - linkCan we see Lightwave benchmarks again please?
Anand Lal Shimpi - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - linkAs always, I appreciate the comments and support, but let's not let this get too off topic. Keep the requests for tests and new scenarios coming, I can't promise I'll get all of them included but I'll do my best to incorporate as many ideas as possible.
Take care,
Anand Reply
Son of a N00b - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - linkANAND!! lol...shoot to bad you already finished part to, but for all those whiners, who want games, i have to say this...
The only gaming benchmark that would make sence is running a game while having a firewall and antivirus running....most TRUE(not you wannabe's who run firefox in the background to induce lag in fps) gamers(including me) turn off their firewalls and antivirus to get the very best possible performace, because it matters...no one multitasks with games...
Now when you all flame about how you multitask with games, and "speak for yourself shit" let me just say, are you really going to shrink a DVD while playing Counter Strike??? YOU'D GET OWNED....
I do not see any point in benchmarking games as thesse people mentioned...they failed to read your explanation of not including games and rush to critizise....utilize the time you have on the system running more important tests....
/my 2 cents :-))
and again great job with the article and the site, and I am very impressed with how you handle the BS'ers who talk ablut your integrity...i have and probably never will question this sites validability...dont come here if you just want to complain about it.... Reply
retrospooty - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - link#92, that is a huge understatement. I have been coming here for 7 years, AT has been my start page for the last 6 years... This is 100% due to the totally unbiased and thorough reviews posted here. To compare to some trashy RAG website like the inquirer is totally inacurate. Thats like comparing CNN news to the Inquirer (magazine) LOL Reply
paulsiu - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - linkGreat article. You were one of the first to review, too.
I am looking forward to see AMD's take on dual core. Whether hyperthreading make sense now that you have two real processors.
In the real world, I am looking for dual core to be use in a home server at a price that will hopefully be cheaper than a dual cpu machine.
Even if dual core won't make our single threaded application run faster, it may make your machine more responsive. How much crap is running in the background these days: virus checker, spyware blocker, personal firewall, drive indexer and checker. Pretty soon, we'll all need Dual Core just to keep our machine responsive.
Detrius - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - linkAn excellent application for testing would be VMware Workstation. For me, this is by far the most demanding application that I use on a regular basis. For those of you who do not have experience with this software and have a need to stage multicomputer systems but are (like me) hardware limited this is the bomb application. Plus, it makes an great multitasking load. Reply
kjohnson - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - linkI stand corrected Anand. My research indicates your reputation far exceeds that of the Inquirer. Reply
mlittl3 - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - link#90,
Please, oh, please read Anand's blog from now on. He did just as you are suggesting a couple of days ago before the article was posted/written. He asked the readership for multitasking scenarios and he but those in the article.
Read his blogs. They are awesome.
Keep up the good work, Anand and Anandtech staff, and even though you don't have to give into the naysayers about lack of gaming benchmarks, thanks for being understanding and giving the readers what they want.
That is the sign of true journalistic integrity. :) Reply
suryad - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - linkAs always great work Anand, and for all the users griping about the multitasking testing setup, well maybe Anand would be open to a set of multitasking suggestions his readers most regularly do. Maybe we can all offer suggestions and they will be tested for the second look probably sometime in the future on dual cores and hopefully AMD will have their bad boys out off the cage by then.
Also benches on Linux would be great...64 bit and 32 bit.
Surya Reply
Anand Lal Shimpi - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - linkkjohnson
I'll let my actions speak for themselves, I've got gaming in Part II and surprisingly enough, it's no different than what I said in Part I - gaming performance of the dual core Pentium D is identical to a single core Pentium 4 of the same clock speed.
The multitasking tests in Part I were largely determined by responses to a "how do you multitask" question I posted in my blog on Friday. Out of the 65 responses, hardly any mentioned gaming as a multitasking scenario, so given my limited time with the system I decided to focus on what the readers asked for. That's also why I split the article into multiple parts, I knew that more performance testing would be desired but a desire for information would also be there on day one.
Insinuating that Intel somehow strong armed me into excluding certain benchmarks is just ignorant of how things work, at least at AnandTech. It's a great way to get attention but it's way off base. Intel told me when the system was shipping and when the NDA lifted, no more, no less. I spent all weekend putting together benchmarks that I thought the readership would like to see, not simply re-run benchmarks that we already had results of.
I've been doing this for 8 years, and the one thing I've always known is that it doesn't matter who is first to publish an article, but it is the article that does the best job and is the most thorough that matters. Trading integrity for exclusivity never makes sense, thinking it does requires a very short term memory and no sense of how things pan out in the long run. Being that in 3 weeks AnandTech will celebrate its 8th year anniversary, I don't think you can argue that type of thinking is characteristic of myself or anyone at this site.
But I'm not here to try and correct anyone's misconceptions of myself or this site, I'm here to deliver what the readers want and what will help you all make the best, most accurate purchasing decisions. In doing so I've taken every last comment to heart, as I always do, and I'm doing my best to incorporate your requests into Part II...just as I did in Part I.
As I mentioned in my blog, I'm an open book with nothing to hide, if there are questions of integrity or ethics fire away and I'll be more than happy to answer them.
Take care,
Anand Reply
Amagus - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - linkWow that Inquirer article basically insinuates that Anand (it's obvious who he's referring to) was bought out because part I of a preview (!!) didn't contain any gaming benchmarks. I wouldn't stand for that. Reply
blwest - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - linkNice article, as always. I wonder how memory bandwidth increases/decreases will effect the performance of the already bandwidth hungry intel processors. Reply
michael2k - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - link#83, #85
Gaming wasn't addressed because gaming, by itself, won't see huge improvements with dual core*
If you run IRC, AIM, FireFox, and BitTorrent while you game, then yes, you will see a performance increase, but not over a single core CPU running only the game by itself. A fast single core CPU will be much, much, better for a game. Or if you run WoW and EQ on two monitors, you will see a benefit.
*Drastic rewrites of OpenGL and DirectX will see benefits with dual core. For example, if front and back buffers were handled by different CPUs, or if you can split the screen into to sections and have one half processed by one CPU and the other half by another. Another performance technique might be to let one CPU deal with vertex culling, occlusion, and decomposition, while the other CPU deals with shadow calculations, or something suitably complex. But that requires the game to be written for dual core, and won't appear on games already on the market. Reply
kjohnson - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - linkHere's why this article does not mention any gaming benchmarks:http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=22332. Reply
bdchambers79 - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - linkI just thought I'd say, I often run the Persistance of Vision Raytracer (www.povray.org) in the background on my computer for several hours (or days... hehe) at a time. While it's running, I am able to do little more than edit text. However, I also like to code and play games.
So, what I would like to see would be POV-Ray running in the background, with MS Dev Studio or GCC running multiple times in the foreground; or, POV-Ray in the background with a game (NOT necessarily Doom3, guys, though it would be a good benchmark) in the foreground (perhaps in a window, so you can see POV's results). Or, for those truly masochistic souls, POV, DevStudio and Doom3 all running at the same time (though that's less likely to occur in RL) :)
BLHealthy4life - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - linkI didn't read every single post here, but i do hope that it's ben mentioned that there were wasn't one single game run on this system. Surely this will be done in part two??
fitten - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - link#80, that kind of change won't happen withough redigning the memory interface (of either) which would mean that current motherboards wouldn't be able to use the parts (which at least AMD is claiming will be possible). Reply
fitten - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - link#66: What he said about SMT (which HT is a brand name of) is kind of off. Of *course* having two cores is better than a single one acting like one. Heck, having 8 cores is better than a single core acting like 8. However, Intel's HT added about 5% to the total realestate of the chip to get arguable benefit. Adding another core adds around 100% more realestate.
As far as as having a waste or resources, which is more wasteful: adding 5% logic or having execution units sitting around idle (and unused)? (Remember that just about any execution unit (especially an OOOE one) is going to be larger than 5% of the logic of a core.) Reply
defter - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - link"Dont forget that socket 939 is dual channel it could be possible to give one memory channel for one processor and the other channel for the other"
Actually you are propably right, memory controller can be build in a way that it can make two independent memory requests simultaneously. BUT the P4 chipset can be built in the same way, thus P4 chipset may also have the ability to allocate one memory channel for each core. Reply
Illissius - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - linkI second the request for Linux benchmarks. Primarily because it's what I use :), but also because I've heard rumors that Windows's task scheduler sucks at multithreading, and it'd be nice to see if they have any grounds in reality (my suspicion is it's just a relic from the win9x era, but you never know)...
re: repeatable multitasking benchmarks. couldn't you use the task scheduler / at / cron for that? or are those not fine-grained enough?
Also, benching game + other intensive task isn't as dumb as it sounds -- especially as the game would be the one that has the focus, so dual cores might actually make that a viable scenario (remember that whole 'enables you to do entirely new things' part?). Reply
defter - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - link#71
"I am not really sure about that, amd always said the processor was being done dualcore since day one that must mean something."
Yes and Intel always said that P4 makes internet faster that must mean something :)
"Dont forget that socket 939 is dual channel it could be possible to give one memory channel for one processor and the other channel for the other"
Actually it isn't possible: K8 based CPU has a CPU core and an integrated northbridge that has a memory controller and a HT link. K8 based dual core CPU has two CPU cores and one northbridge. So in dual core K8 CPU both cores are using the same memory controller. Reply
Crassus - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - linkGreat preview Anand! I enjoyed especially the the multitasking tests and they confirmed essentially what's been known in the community since the days of the MP Celerons and Athlons. I liked also the fact that the tests were run with a whole lot of background tasks running, since that is the reality of present-day computer usage by the vast majority of users (who in most cases don't have the slightest idea of threads and schedules and happily install everything that can create a pop-up to ask ;c)
My suggestions for future testing: Although you correctly mentioned the performance of games won't change due to being single-threaded in nature, it would have been interesting to see the impact of a number of general-purpose background tasks (Antivirus, Antispam, ICQ etc.) both on single- and dualcore chips. Enthusiasts know which threads to kill before gaming, but does the enthusiast's 'The Sims' playing family?
More about the general move to parallel processing of data: Didn't you promise a series of RAID-related articles back in last year? What became of them, considering that the demand for a fast supply of data now essentially doubled? Maybe it would also be feasable to look into RAMDISK solutions again?
And one point of criticism at the end:
You did mention that games recieve no benefit from the move to dualcore, but to weight the picture the reader gets from the review, a representive number of pictures does wonders, even if they proove nothing really new. After all, one picture says more that thousand words - and a couple of benchmark diagrams a lot more than a sentence at the bottom of one page!
Keep up the good work! Take care - Crassus. Reply
stevty2889 - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - linkAlso what about running 2 games at the same time? I play MMORPG's and at times with my dual monitor setup, I'll have one game running on one screen and another running on the other..it's a bit sluggish, but do-able with hyperthreading, but I would think a dual core would allow this to run more smoothtly. Reply
L3p3rM355i4h - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - linklol. 50 cent as a l337 computer h4xx0rz.
Impressive, but how can the TDP be only 130 watts? Unless Intel has some kind of magic, a prescott at the same voltage wouldn't be able to run a mere 65 watts. NFW. Reply
Anand Lal Shimpi - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - linknserra
I was skeptical that gamers would have things like this running in the background while they played, but given that a handful have requested the tests be created and run I have no problem doing just that. I'm working on Part II right now and I hope to finish it late this afternoon.
Take care,
Anand Reply
michael2k - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - link#72
You want to use Doom3 as a benchmark while DVDShrink runs in the background?
I suppose that's a benchmark, but I doubt it's a valid one... but if Anand has time to try it, I suppose what you'll see is that the performance of Doom3 will be LESS than the performance on a similarly clocked P4 running Doom3 WITHOUT DVDShrink.
I suppose you want to know what the performance penalty is, though :) Reply
nserra - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - link#70 Yes you are right and wrong. So i can listen MP3, zip files, record an dvd and do word processing. But i cant play a game while the PC is doing other things? Reply
nserra - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - linkAmd dualcore platform is right here today, the processor is not. And i dont see that a bad thing, upgradable as always been a good thing.
#65 "Yes, same will also apply to the AMD's solution. Both CPU cores in dual core Opteron will share same bus and memory controller."
I am not really sure about that, amd always said the processor was being done dualcore since day one that must mean something. Dont forget that socket 939 is dual channel it could be possible to give one memory channel for one processor and the other channel for the other. Reply
matthewfoley - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - linkYou people screaming for the gaming benchmarks, RTFA. Gaming or any other single threaded application will have identical results to a similarly clocked single core proc. Reply
ceefka - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - link#62 I read the article and think it's a rant, just a rant, no facts, just implications. I can sympathise with the feeling that Intel is let off the hook, for now.
I do hope that games will be a substantial part of the benchies once the traditional AMD vs Intel dual core tournament takes place. Remember the pre-release benchies of the Opteron (that Italian thing)?
I also think that shrinking DVD's while typing in MS Word and listening to mp3 is about the maximum of things to do simultaneously. I have to get my head around it as well, you know ;-). It does however open a way to have someting like a home server or HTPC for everything but the most extreme stuff. It could record a TV-show, while watching a DVD and the wife chatting away on another screen.
Some say that dual core will have more benefit in servers because of the typical threaded applications. That's a good point. Can we look forward to a comparison of a 2 and 4-way dual core Opteron vs Xeon on typical server applications, workstation apps and maybe a few games just for fun. Reply
smn198 - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - linklol @ #11 "now Intel is going to start eating AMD's lunch"
Do you mean eating AMD for lunch? I think I prefer it your way. Reply
RLandon - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - linkThe multitasking benchmarks clearly shows that Windows doesn't deserve to be refered to as an operating system. Reply
ceefka - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - linkThe price-difference between a dual and single core might not be too big on an Intel CPU, but you MUST get a new board. So the actual price difference when upgrading is $80 + brand new 955x motherboard. Nice one, Intel. A new board will cost you around $ 100 at least: actual difference $ 180. If AMD can stay under that difference they're at least competitive in pricing.
Benchies are promising/impressive though. Wonder what the 64-bit benchies would be. Too bad that the introduction of dual-cores is in different segments (desktop vs server). Can't wait for some traditional Intel vs AMD benching ;)
Read this article
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?... page 3, last paragraph.
AMD's Fred Weber finds Hyperthreading a "misuse of resources". AMD have always said two cores are better than a single core acting like one. Reply
defter - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - link"INTEL's dual core isn't really dual-core, it's just two CPUs stick together"
dual consisting of or involving two parts or components usually in pairs; "an egg with a double yolk"; "a double (binary) star"; "double doors"; "dual controls for pilot and copilot"; "duple (or double) time consists of two (or a multiple of two) beats to a measure": http://dict.die.net/dual/
Yes, two CPU stuck together can be called "dual core".
"the two cpus share the same bus, without any logic in between."
Yes, same will also apply to the AMD's solution. Both CPU cores in dual core Opteron will share same bus and memory controller. Reply
IntelUser2000 - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - link130W isn't actually bad. The Xeon MP Potomac had TDP of 125W and max power of 136W, saying probably due to EIST, the difference is much less now. Plus, you aren't running two cores all the time, so if you are playing games only, then you would have 65W power consumption.
Hmm... I wonder if the reason 1066MHz is not supported by any of the dual core processors is to dedicate more bandwidth of the Dual-DDRII-667 to integrated graphics. Or maybe we would see Yonah with 1066MHz bus as desktop? Reply
IntelUser2000 - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - linkReply
falcc - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - linkNo games tested at all? Since when does this happen? Intel doesn't want dual core to look bad so Anandtech doesn't bench ANY games at all.
Come on guys, judging by the article below on the Inquirer I'm not the only one who is suspicious.
http://theinquirer.net/?article=22332 Reply
sharikou - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - linkgranted, this annand review was only part one, but hexus.net had done it much better in just one set of benches. From reading hexus.net's review, one can clearly see the advantages and limitations of INTEL's two-cpu-in-one-package device, basically, the intel chip are two cpus, so it can do two heavy duty things at the same time, but if you try to do 1 thing at a time, the new chip is slower, or if you do 3 things at the same time, the same slowness will occur.
So your benchmarks are just designed to fit the new INTEL dual-CPU, doing two things, instead of one or three at the same time.
One suggestion I have is to do some comparison with a 2P Opteron workstation, we know AMD will release dual core Opterons soon, and using a SUN or BOXX opteron workstation, you can have 4 cores, it will be interesting to see how these 4 cores will perform.
We know INTEL won't be able to release 2P dual-chips until 2006. AMD forced INTEL to rush to dual chip.
Hans Maulwurf - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - linkWell, I think I have to open my mind for dual core.
But maybe you understand my fears about multitasking benchmarks. One could make many different benchmarks performing different on different platforms and chose one to put in his review. This looks a bit arbitrarily.
If someone benches games, for example, everybody will be curious if there is no Q3, D3 or UT. So the reader knows if a common(realistic) scenario is choosen for benching. Thsi is almost impossible for multitasking, I think.
I´m really interested in power consumption. Hexus writes there is only a slight increase in TDP, and no voltage drop. It will be interisting to see how this is possible as most parts of the CPU are doubled and I´ve not heard anything about different manufacturing techniques used for DC. Reply
sharikou - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - linkThis is one of the worst reviews, worse than Toms' and worse than the AnndTech Athlon64 3500 vs Xeon 3.6GHZ review.
1) What's the hardware setup?
2) why weren't there any game reviews if you are using $600 video cards?
3) why isn't there any power consumption figures?
INTEL's dual core isn't really dual-core, it's just two CPUs stick together, the two cpus share the same bus, without any logic in between. performance-wise, it should be the same as two xeon 3.2GHZ, and we know from Toms benchmark, a single Opteron 244 beats 2P xeon 3.2 in real applications.
lopri - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - linkThis is an impressive piece of work. No wonder AT is #1! Refreshingly different but more real-world-like benchmark.
SignalPST - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - linkQuestion:
If you were to force a game to run using the second core, and only that game on the second core, and leaving the rest of the system overhead to the first core, wouldn't that provide a smoother and faster performance compared with the identical clocked single-core CPU? Reply
JustAnAverageGuy - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - linkPage 12.
"For this test, we used DVD Shrink, one of the simplest applications available to compress and re-encode a DVD to fit on a single 4.5GB disc."
Shouldn't that be 4.7GB?
Distributed Computing programs would be a good idea! Reply
michael2k - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - link#51: Well, for people who would/SHOULD buy a dual core system, those are realistic scenarios. For those who game, or don't do those tasks, you won't see any performance benefits*
#52: They were thinking, "The performance of the dual-core is more or less the same as the equivalent single-core CPU, so let's not be redundant and test dual-core CPUs where single-core CPUs are more cost effective**
*Performance in games will increase when they effectively do two things at once of roughly equal importance. For example:
ChessQuake, where one CPU deals with graphics, physics, sound, and AI, while the other CPU plays a game of chess
DVDooM, where one CPU draws the brightest and darkest blacks anyone has ever seen, while the other CPU is encoding it to DVD for posterity
As long as sound and light reflects geometry, you can't separate sound and rendering from interaction. Dual CPUs would be useful if you have two keyboards, two mice, and two displays for a two player game of DooM3 on a single computer.
**See the single core equivalent reviews. AnandTech as done them. Reply
kmmatney - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - linkmisspell:
Will Dual-Core work in Windows 2000? I don't see why not. I'd like to see a comparison between hyper-threading versus dual core in Win2K...I've heard that hyperthreading support is crippled in Win2K, but perhaps dual-core will work normally. Reply
kmmatney - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - linkWill Dual-Core work in Windows 2000? I don't see why not. I'd like to see a comparison between hyper-threading a dual core in Win2K...I've heard that hyperthreading support is crippled in Win2K, but perhaps dual-core will work normally. Reply
Natronomonas - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - linkWith two top-notch gaming CPUs (EE, FX), even if they do say the performance of the dual-core is more or less the same as the equivalent single-core CPU, it is disappointing not to see even a single gaming benchmark.
What were they thinking?? Reply
Pandaren - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - linkDrat. Double Post. Where's the gaming benchmarks? And are those multitasking scenarios realistic? I don't think I would ever do all that at once. Reply
Pandaren - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - linkReply
sideshow23bob - Monday, April 04, 2005 - linkAdditionally, what about throwing in Nero,DC++, azureus, bitcomet, and/or Power DVD. Just progs. that alot of typical college-aged users use(i can verify at least). Great article. Loved the multitasking analysis especially. Reply
sideshow23bob - Monday, April 04, 2005 - linkReply
ravedave - Monday, April 04, 2005 - linkAnand, what about DVDDecrypt and DVDShrink at the same time (as in decrypting one movie, shrinking another)? Dual core could really make ripping faster if you could do both of those at once...
ViRGE - Monday, April 04, 2005 - link#44, SETI is a really good idea, not just because of heat but because it'll push the memory/FSB at the same time. If Intel's chips are getting choked, SETI should scream pretty loudly by tanking in performance. Reply
nigham - Monday, April 04, 2005 - linkThanks, this was a real nice review and its got me all excited. One thing I'd really like to know, though, how does Linux handle dual-core? Does it show the same kind of multi-tasking performance boost that we see on Windows XP? I mostly use Linux for my work and I do a ton of multitasking. Windows I use only for gaming, which as you point out are mostly single threaded applications. Reply
gregwjones - Monday, April 04, 2005 - linkDual-core benchmarks I'd like to see:
Two instances of Seti@Home, BOINC version, run on a Pentium D 3.2GHz( dual-core, but no HT )
compared to Pentium 4 3.2GHz single core with HT.
Then run four instances of SETI@Home on the Pentium EE ( dual-core with HT ).
This should generate a lot of heat and put everything at max load.
I have a Pentium 4 Northwood with HT enabled and run two instances of BOINC Seti@Home while using the system to do everyday tasks.Like web browsing, DVD Decrypt, DVD Shrink. Everything is very responsive because BOINC runs at a very low priority.
dragonballgtz - Monday, April 04, 2005 - linkGreat article! It's a good thing you did not do a review like all of the other sites. With just some benchmarks and a few games.
As always I can't wait to read more reviews form you Anand. :thumbsup; Reply
shabby - Monday, April 04, 2005 - linkThe multi-tasking numbers are definetly intresting, but any sane person will wait and see what amd has up its sleeve. Reply
michaelpatrick33 - Monday, April 04, 2005 - linkAMD's dualcore will use less power and produce less heat apparently and last I checked an FX-51 (2200) out performs the Intel 3200 in a single core configuration so it will be interesting what a dualcore AMD at 2200 or 2400 will do compared to the Pentium 4 3200 dualcore. AMD is going after the busines market where the money and the desire for dual core will be greatest. Why isn't Intel going for that market? Interesting question. Reply
CrazyCurl - Monday, April 04, 2005 - linkgood review! cant wait to see more info. I am particularly interested in heat dissapation as well and would be nice to see the new unreal engine that supports multithreading benchmarks but that would be be a ways off id assume.
Is the 955X gonna support pressler? is that why it has 1066 fsb and ddr-667? Reply
dragonflycms - Monday, April 04, 2005 - linkHow about a web developer test I constantly run these programs
Dragonflycms 9.1.2
Apache 1.3.9
MySql 4.1
Photoshop 7.0
Flash MX 2004
Fireworks MX 2004
Dreamweaver MX 2004
Hydra IRC
Yahoo Messenger
The web server and mysql drastically effect the runing of the multimedia applications. This would be a great multitask test.
cHodAXUK - Monday, April 04, 2005 - link#34 You are absolutly right there Anand, to this day I have still not had a single CPU system as responsive as my old dual O/C Celeron 550 machine. I ran it along side a P3/800 for a long time and always much prefered the Celeron box for general day to day tasks, hell my AMD 3500 feels damn fast most of the time but when I try multitask a bit too much it just takes forever to even get menus to pop down. Dual core is definately the way to go for the future, when the apps/games start to catch up with the technology everyone will wonder how they ever did without a multi core/cpu system. Reply
stephenbrooks - Monday, April 04, 2005 - linkIf it's any help to y'all asking about thermals, [H]ard|OCP says:
"Our Intel 840 will have an operating voltage between 1.2V and 1.4V and have a Thermal Power Design of 130W" Reply
knitecrow - Monday, April 04, 2005 - linkthanks Anand... it is the power consumption and power dissipation profiles that I really want to see.
Anand Lal Shimpi - Monday, April 04, 2005 - linkoh and power consumption is coming... :) Reply
Anand Lal Shimpi - Monday, April 04, 2005 - linkHans Maulwurf
These usage scenarios were described by AnandTech readers in my recent request for benchmarks, they weren't anything prescribed by any hardware manufacturers.
Ask anyone who has used a dual processor system, things are just smoother. The reason we've never recommended dual processors systems in the past is mostly because of price. In less than 3 months you should be able to, in theory, purchase a dual core processor for as little as $240. Not since the days of the dual Celeron 300A systems has dual processing been that affordable.
Take care,
Anand Reply
Slaimus - Monday, April 04, 2005 - linkThe best thing about dual core is that you do not need HT aware OS's anymore. It sucks when you want to run Win2000 with HT and getting slower speeds. Reply
Shlong - Monday, April 04, 2005 - linkInstead of trying to take screenshots, maybe you could've used one of those desktop video capture programs to try to get a better visual representation of what you were trying to explain. Reply
Hans Maulwurf - Monday, April 04, 2005 - link#27 thats because these benches are opted for HT and dual core. Everybody should know they are not typical for usage of a desctop PC.
Maybe dual core will be a good thing, but to value its implementation you have to compare it to, for example, a dual Xeon.
If I would take this review seriously we all should have buyed dual CPU systems some time ago. But some time ago nobody could show dual CPU desctop systems are useful.
Why did this change so radicially? Is it really the way we use our computers or is it just the way you benchmark when allowed to be one of only very few Intel-previewers? Reply
Son of a N00b - Monday, April 04, 2005 - link#11, next time label you post with *Caution Fanboy Post* so I do not waste my time reading your comments that are biased and misinformed...
w0w! great preview, I cannot wait until six months from now you doing a head to head match up with SLI, dual core cpu rigs from both AMD and Intel....it should be very interesting indeed....Cannot wait to see what AMD's performancee is...it could go either way....
Anyway great article, keep up the great work that keeps us all coming back, it must be hell to come up with new benchmarks for these systems.
w00t go anandtech and dualies! Reply
MaxisOne - Monday, April 04, 2005 - linkHey Not even 1 Game Benchmark ? and wheres the temps ?? Reply
MaxisOne - Monday, April 04, 2005 - linkReply
cbuchach - Monday, April 04, 2005 - linkI think these are the first benchmarks I have seen where Hyperthreading was shown to make a significant performance difference outside of video encoding tasks or a few other specialized apps.
Overall I think Hyperthreading amongst the enthusiast community has never held much worth mostly because it has little impact on gaming performance. But these benchmarks clearly show in my eyes that whether it be the single-core/hyperthreading or dual core chips, Intel is the way to go. I of course am not a big gamer but nonetheless most computer users, especially power users at least do some moderate multitasking. Having two virtual or real cores really does improve the computing experience up unitl this point, in mostly immeasurable ways. Reply
redpriest_ - Monday, April 04, 2005 - linkWhen can I buy one? =P
These previews will probably be followed up by shipping versions 6 months from now. Reply
AtaStrumf - Monday, April 04, 2005 - linkWAU this was a shocker! Sure didn't expect dual cores so soon.
Great preview Anand! It covered all of the areas I was interested in and it basicly confirmed all my expectations.
It seems that one thing that can still bring dual cores to a grind is the I/O bottleneck. With everything going dual lately and with RAID controllers being as common as USB ports and HDDs being pretty cheap, I think it's time you retested how much of an impact RAID can have on desktop performance. If I remember correctly it was you who said that RAID made no sense on desktop, which essentially killed my burning desire to get one. What about now? If we're going dual we might as well go all out. Reply
tynopik - Monday, April 04, 2005 - linktry running stuff with software raid5 eating up cpu cycles Reply
Beenthere - Monday, April 04, 2005 - linkHyperthreading does NOT significantly improve system performance unless the software is written for hyperthreading and there is damned little of that currently available. Dual core when execurted properly offers a considerable performance advantage. Intel's cobbled mess is sure to be a nightmare and when all the facts are known it will be impossible to conclude otherwise despite the cheerleading of the media. Reply
sri2000 - Monday, April 04, 2005 - link#14 - As you say the enterprise market is where multi-processor rigs live (whether dual-cpu or dual-core), it's also where dual-core makes it's best financial case.
ie. when Microsoft came out to say that their software license pricing will treat a dual-core cpu as a single processor (as opposed to pricing it as a dual-proc), that really gives businesses (especially small ones with tight budgets) a great incentive for getting dual-core servers (not to mention for those who're using Linux).
And since AMP will get dual-core Opterons out ahead of dual-core Xeons, it's an opportunity to get some nice growth in their small business server market share. Reply
Questar - Monday, April 04, 2005 - linkIs Xvid a relevent test? It's not multithreaded Reply
boban10 - Monday, April 04, 2005 - linkhi. thanks to responding.
i have some sugestion for you work.
can you test this:
easy real media producer, you get it here:
its free..
can you try to encoding some things, i wannt to see how much diference it it on one and two cpu, and would be nice if you can test with athlon xp too, because i wannt to see how much gain i get with dual-core cpu...
then some more programs that suport dual-cpu:
TMPGEnc , Photoshop. Premiere pro ...
thanks... Reply
Anand Lal Shimpi - Monday, April 04, 2005 - linkThanks so much for the comments, keep em coming in. This is just the first part, there's more coming. I've got another NDA tomorrow morning but then after that it's more dual core. Let me know what you want to see, I've already got quite a bit planned :)
And yes that die shot is correct, it is simply rotated 90 degrees clockwise to fit on the page better.
Take care,
Anand Reply
erikvanvelzen - Monday, April 04, 2005 - linkAre you 100% sure that die picture is right? Again a great review from Anandtech! Reply
DAPUNISHER - Monday, April 04, 2005 - linkI must have missed it somehow; what storage setup did you use? Thanks and great article kid :-) Reply
boban10 - Monday, April 04, 2005 - linkAnandtech, i wannt to thank you, because this is a great preview....
ronaldo Reply
Avalon - Monday, April 04, 2005 - linkImpressive results. Sometimes I come across a scenario where I'm doing two things at once fighting for 100% CPU time on my A64 Sempron rig, so it would be quite nice to have a dual core chip to handle that for me. I personally can't wait to see a more full review, and hopefully one of AMD's dual core setup as well. Reply
karlreading - Monday, April 04, 2005 - link#11
Very good points, but i think the thing to remeber about intel is this:
Yes, they are beating AMD to the desktop. And yes, that will be good beacuse it will encourage the user base to adopt dual core, and thus programers to multi thread more. Bineg a enthusiast site, obviously dektop dual is the scene we care about and sticks in our minds.
AMD will beat out Intel to dual core in the enterprise segment. THE area where the real money is. THE area where dual core can stretch its multithreaded wings. THE area where it has a product thats already causing waves ( opteron may not have the penertration of xeon, but it's given AMD a seriouse status in the enterprise sector and it is a respected architecture ), and, THE area it can really try and hurt intel, and its partners. DELL wont have a dual core capable box yet, HP can have one very soon. More to the point, if ur a IT head and u spent on Opteron server, Youll be a very happy one. Beacuse that 8 Way opteron box you got can suddenly become a 16- way box.
Its strikes of AMD's stratagey with x86-64. No, it wasent as powerful as itanium, it wasent new, fresh, and funky. It certainly wasent the first 64 bit cpu for enterprise wither, not by a long shot. But by giving comapnys, and people what they want, a easy, painless upgrade path, it suceeded in destroying intels dream of killing of x86. Intel was still denying yamhill when it was already in there cpus, lying dormant for the day intel would swallow its pride and follow AMD down the x86-64 route.
Intel will beat AMD to dual core on the desktop, but they will make waves and in roads in the enterprise sector, and, let's face it, its just better that way.
Karlos Reply
Googer - Monday, April 04, 2005 - link"I tried to take a screenshot of what was going on, but print screen wouldn't work. I could launch Paint, but I couldn't paste anything into it"
If paint does not work you can always use wordpad and paste any images to it that are cahced to the clipboard. Reply
karlreading - Monday, April 04, 2005 - linkPersonally, im very excited about dual core. It appears to me that everyone seems to be forgeting the main thing.
Its not necesseraly about doing one thing faster, its about doing MORE things faster.
the multi-tasking scenarios ANAND has given us is where the real excitment and benefit come in. Now, as a AMD FANboi, all i say is this: Bring on TOLEDO :)
Karlos Reply
johnsonx - Monday, April 04, 2005 - linkIt looks like AMD better get busy. AMD woke up Intel from it's complacent slumber, and now Intel is going to start eating AMD's lunch. AMD has completely lost the 64-bit advantage, and will now lose whatever dual-core advantage it had by designing Hammer to be dual-core from the start. Prescott may or may not have been designed for dual-core, but it sure seems to work just fine, doesn't it?
AMD's problem is that it talks about what it's going to do for too long before actually doing it, as if there isn't anything Intel can do about it. Intel surely can do something about it, and definitely has. This may be an obvious consequence of being a much smaller company: AMD doesn't have the resources to get things done as quickly as Intel can (when Intel is sufficiently motivated), but that just means AMD needs to keep their mouths shut for longer. AMD has been relegated to 'me-too' status for technologies they themselves were first with...
Object lesson for AMD: Intel can beat you to any launch date you set for any technology or feature you think you've got an exclusive on. Intel can then crush you with volume and market presence. It ain't fair... welcome to life.
AMD's best bet: whatever you set your launch dates to, surprise launch everything 6 months ahead of schedule. That'll only work a couple of times, but it's better than nothing.
Klober - Monday, April 04, 2005 - linkTwo separate points here:
First, I suppose dual-core may not improve single threaded application performance much over a single-core CPU with HT, but shouldn't it increase performance over a single-core CPU w/o HT? I would think it would allow the OS to run on one core while the application runs on the other core, which in theory should increase performance some. Just a thought, as I'm no expert on scheduling and the resources the OS actively requires.
Second point, a small simple application that may be useful in benchmarking, particularly in multitasking benchmarks, might be Macro Scheduler by MJT Net. It takes very little in the way of resources, and is very easy to program for starting applications, switching between them, taking screenshots, clicking on options and even typing whatever you'd like wherever you'd like. I think it could be a great base for switching between applications and starting processes inside those applications, all in a very repeatable manner. Timing can be down to the 1/10,000th of a second if need be, and using a scheduler with minimal resource impact would take the human element out of the benchmarking. Maybe you've already looked into this, or something similar, but it's just a thought that may make certain benchmarking situations easier for all of you that bring us these great (p)reviews. Reply
Googer - Monday, April 04, 2005 - linkIn Soviet Russia you post all you bad jokes Here:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid... Reply
knitecrow - Monday, April 04, 2005 - linkyo dog, where the temperature at?
but seriously, in addition to the usual suspects, I think anandtech should have compared pentium D to xenon 3.2ghz just to see the performance difference.
johnsonx - Monday, April 04, 2005 - linkok, sorry... I posted my comment before reading the encoding benchmarks, where I see you did exactly what I suggested. My bad.
vaystrem - Monday, April 04, 2005 - link"2) Open iTunes and start playing the latest album of avid AnandTech reader 50 Cent on repeat all."
? Really? Reply
johnsonx - Monday, April 04, 2005 - linkI know it's nearly double the number of benchmarks to run, but it would have been instructive to see both Pentium processors benchmarked without HT as well. Testing the dual-core pentium EE without HT would of course mimic a 3.2Ghz Pentium D, and testing the single core P4 without HT would give us a baseline single-core, single execution thread reference.
Finally, it might also be instructive to benchmark current P4 at 3.2Ghz, again both with and without HT.
Easy for me to say, I know, since I'm not the one who has to do all the benches....
LeadFrog - Monday, April 04, 2005 - linkI like the theory of if it can't get any faster lets just combine a few.
SLI, RAID, and Dual Core CPU's. Reply
segagenesis - Monday, April 04, 2005 - linkOne site mentioned 125W power consumption. Ow.
Well, its a start... but I want to see AMDs offering first. Reply
msva124 - Monday, April 04, 2005 - linkThis looks promising, I wonder if AMD might eventually cave and implement hyper-threading in their processors, in addition to dual core. Or is that not part of the cross licensing agreeement? Reply
aurellie1 - Monday, April 04, 2005 - linkNice performance!
Not a single word in the review about temperatures though... Reply


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Fall '06 NVIDIA GPU Refresh - Part II: GeForce 7950 GT and SLIby Derek Wilson on 9/14/2006 9:00 AM EST
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pmcguire - Thursday, September 21, 2006 - linkAnyone tried the XFX card in a Zalman HD160 case?
I have ordered one but now I am getting nervous that the heatsink is too high.
zemane - Saturday, September 16, 2006 - link
Today also marks the day that ATI slated for the availability of their X1300 XT, X1650 Pro, X1900 XT 256MB, and X1950 series. We currently see very limited availability of the X1950 XTX, X1900 XT 256MB and X1300 XT cards, ...
marine73 - Friday, September 15, 2006 - linkWith some versions of the 7900GT costing $280, you'd have to be nuts not to spend the xtra $20 bucks to get the additional 256Mb of ram. The performance increase is obvious from the charts, and since most Nvidia cores do OC fairly well (my BFG is running 580/800) you could most likely get the 7950GT to peform like a 7900GTX, for about 150-200 bucks less. Now if only they can get them to be DirectX 10 compliant... Reply
Pastuch - Thursday, September 14, 2006 - linkIn Canada you can buy an ATI/Saphire X1900xt 512mb for $299. A 7950GT goes for $350. These prices are pulled from this weeks flyer at NCIX.com, the Canadian Newegg.
As always, Nvidia screws over Canadian customers. Reply
yyrkoon - Monday, September 18, 2006 - linkGee, lets see, I wonder if buying a graphics card that is currently based in my home country is cheaper than one that has to be imported . . .
Wait until ATI moves to the US . . . Reply
Pastuch - Thursday, September 14, 2006 - linkTHe lowest price I can find in Canada on a 7900GT is $290.
ROFL at Nvidia.
P.S. I actually would rather buy Nvidia but the prices up here are so out of whack I can't justify it. Reply
coldpower27 - Friday, September 15, 2006 - linkYeh, Nvidia currently is expensive in Canada, until prices normalize the X1900 XT 512 is a pretty good deal, as long as it remains in supply. Reply
xsilver - Thursday, September 14, 2006 - linkfunny,
down here in australia - its the other way around
nvidia is cheaper
7900gt = 374au ($280US approx
x1900xt = 410AU (308US approx)
ati is still the better buy because its faster.
it actually gets worse in the lower price bracket of x1900gt as they are quite hard to find and really expensive Reply
xsilver - Thursday, September 14, 2006 - linkoh wait - just looked again
that x1900xt is the 256mb model
if u want the 512mb model
= 525au (395US)
7950gt 512mb = $430au = 325us
big difference! Reply
splines - Friday, September 15, 2006 - linkSame with all electronics, pretty much. Everything from mobile phones up to the AUD$1000 PS3 - and Americans complain about $600?
The really odd thing is we have the second highest standard of living in the world, yet our currency is also one of the most undervalued amongst western industrialised nations. Granted, our market is small, but 20-odd million people still have a lot of purchasing power.
*sighs* Maybe one day they'll take us seriously. Reply
Genx87 - Thursday, September 14, 2006 - linkIn this price category it is hard to justify Nvidia here. Nvidia's pressure from the top with the GX2 has pushed ATI's 2nd best card into this price range. The X1900XT is faster and better compared to this card IMO. It needs to be dropped to the 280-300 range and let it settle in around the 250 if it wants to compete with the X1900XT.
ieskorp - Thursday, September 14, 2006 - linkWhat is the added value of a review/test when you are comparing Nvidia SLI configurations with single ATI 19k cards???? Reply
JarredWalton - Thursday, September 14, 2006 - linkWe've looked at the CF performance in the recent past, and nothing has changed. You'll notice in the conclusion that we really don't recommend getting two new current gen GPUs regardless of manufacturer. If you look at the X1950 XTX article, you can see where CrossFire sits in the performance ladder. Basically, it's competitive with SLI, though most will agree the SLI bridge is far more elegant than the CF dongle. Basically, the graphs were already crowded, and adding more cards/configurations just gets really messy. We included SLI numbers for the new cards mostly to show where they fall, i.e. 7900 GS SLI about equals 7900 GTX, while 7950 GT SLI is slightly faster than 7950 GX2.
Quick summary of CF vs. SLI:
ATI "owns" Quake 4 now, along with Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory. NVIDIA still clearly leads in Black and White 2. Performance in most of our other tested titles is very close. Price performance is more difficult to call, as X1950 are in very limited availability with no CF cards currently showing up, and prices are thus quite inflated. You can get Quad SLI for the cost of X1950 CrossFire... and neither one support the DirectX 10 feature set. Reply
yacoub - Thursday, September 14, 2006 - linkWould really appreciate temperature testing of the XFX card idel and under full 3D load. Passively-cooled cards notoriously run hot so it would be nice to know ahead of time just how well it's cooled. Additional overclocking potential would also be nice to know. Reply
DerekWilson - Thursday, September 14, 2006 - linkwe are working on a 7950 gt roundup that will address this and other issues Reply
yacoub - Thursday, September 14, 2006 - linkGreat thanks.
Looks like the traditional 10-15 degrees Celcius for passive cooling holds true by Guru3D's review:
Card Temperature in idle (Celsius) Temperature at 100% load in (Celsius)
GeForce 7950 GT 45 64
XFX 7950 GT Extreme 64 81
I can't fathom allowing a GPU to run at over 60-65C. That's REALLY hot. 81C is downright dangerous and life-sapping for sure.
SniperWulf - Thursday, September 14, 2006 - linkIt's pretty gratifying to see that the card I bought at the beginning of the year is still holding its own pretty good (X1900XT) Reply
DerekWilson - Thursday, September 14, 2006 - linkX1900 XT has been a good performer. It's also be a much better value than the X1900 XTX for its entire lifetime. Definitely a good purchasing decision. Reply
Tilmitt - Thursday, September 14, 2006 - linkYou'd have to be stoned off your head to find 20FPS "a good experience" in any game. Unless you're a girl...they can't see lag or jaggies. Reply
VooDooAddict - Thursday, September 14, 2006 - linkI greatly disagree. Most casual girl gamers that I've had sit down and play a PC game are MORE distracted by and less tolerable of lag and low framerates then guys who game frequently. Those of us who play often know it's a fact of life and can tolerate it. New PC gamers (male and female) who may be more used to console systems are frustrated easily by the little things we putup with in the PC gaming world. Reply
Calin - Thursday, September 14, 2006 - linkMaybe they just ignore some visual artifacts if the playing experience is good. Reply
DerekWilson - Thursday, September 14, 2006 - linkwinners don't use drugs :-P
also, I'm not trying to imply that we would like more fps for free -- just that (with oblivion) turning up the settings offers better playability (things don't pop out of no where right next to you) and a better visual experience than a higher framerate with less eye candy.
plus, my wife hates jaggies. jaggies and bad anisotropic filtering. I've not seen her react to lag, as she doesn't usually play games where lag is a factor. but she definitely hates waiting for anything, so I'd guess she'd hate lag too. Reply
LoneWolf15 - Thursday, September 14, 2006 - linkPersonally, I hope the Frag Dolls kick your butt for that remark. I'd pay money to see it. Reply
yacoub - Thursday, September 14, 2006 - linkPASSIVELY-COOLED top-tier GPU?! SWEET. Finally. :) Reply
goatfajitas - Thursday, September 14, 2006 - linkI would really like to see the 256mb version of 7950GT tested against the 512mb version (biostar makes both, but clocks are easy enough to adjust on any card) at various resolutions with and without 4xAA to see when/if the 512 megs helps speed things up. Reply
tuteja1986 - Thursday, September 14, 2006 - link7950GT availability is terrible.. its looks like a 7800GTX 512MB launch.. few card released on day and none to seen for weeks ?
Surprising I see ATI not having a paper launch with the X1950XTX which is amazing if you see ATI track record with delays after delays
At the moment i don't think its wise to buy them , as i hear G80 product start next month and early November launch.
I also hear that R600 has run in some trouble and i don't think they will be out this year and will lag 3months behind G80 launch. I would say Mid Jan if they fix what ever problem the engineers are having at ATI. Reply
DerekWilson - Thursday, September 14, 2006 - linka 256mb version should really be branded as an overclocked 7900 GT, but I won't argue that too much :-)
we are planning on doing a roundup of 7950 Gt cards, and we will address this issue at that time.
Derek Wilson Reply
goatfajitas - Thursday, September 14, 2006 - linkThanks. I should have guessed something like that would be coming from AT. Reply
retrospooty - Thursday, September 14, 2006 - linkcool. thanks. Reply
R3MF - Thursday, September 14, 2006 - linki wonder if its possible?
that with a Core 2 Duo 6600 would be a hell of a SFF combination! Reply
SilentObserver - Thursday, April 30, 2015 - linkHere I am in April 2015, looking at these numbers and thinking; this was 9 years ago. I can get a GTX 970 for the same price tag as the release cost of a 7950 GT.
The only reason I ended up here is to see if two of these (which I found in our stock room) would SLI.
Looking forward to testing Battlefield 4 tonight haha! Reply


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