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Crater XV
by Kevin Cannon
"Completely ridiculous, in the most sublime sense of the word... But it's not all gags, as [Cannon] wrings tremendous tension, action, and intrigue out of his many-stranded plot, and the dozen-strong constellation of major characters each have deep emotional stakes on the line." -- Booklist …
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Cry Yourself to Sleep
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Dear Beloved Stranger
by Dino Pai
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Delayed Replays
by Liz Prince
"It's hard not to love the endearingly funny, sketchbook journal-style autobiographical comics of Liz Prince. ... If you don't feel good about life (or comics) after reading Liz's stuff your heart is a black hole of weirdness." -- David Paggi & Kiel Phegley, Wizard's Indie Jones
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Depressed Cat
by Lizz Lunney
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Adorable… relatable… miserable. Meet Lizz Lunney's charmingly cheerless hero, Depressed Cat! He's not living any of his nine lives to a fulfilling level. As the seasons turn, and Lizz finds inventive new ways to explore ennui, our lad's misery never wavers, but …
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Double Barrel #01
by Kevin Cannon and Zander Cannon
"The Cannons and Top Shelf are doing something right here. I can't quite pin my finger on it, but I have the feeling this is the true beginning of the future of digital comics." —Mark Frauenfelder, Boing Boing
"Very promising... I was shocked by just how huge the first issue of Double Barrel …
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Double Barrel #02
by Kevin Cannon and Zander Cannon
Time to reload: DOUBLE BARREL is back! Zander's hero Heck begins his horrific journey through the underworld, with faithful sidekick Elliot at his side... but they'll be reminded of some painful truths about themselves they'd rather not face. Meanwhile in Kevin's Crater XV, the Royal Canadian …
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Double Barrel #03
by Kevin Cannon and Zander Cannon
Mamas, hide your babies, 'cause the Cannons are back and firing on all cylinders!
Double Barrel #3 is an incredible 116 pages of action, drama, and comic-book passion. Zander Cannon descends to the sixth chapter of Heck and finds it full of WRATH -- and some long-repressed memories! Kevin Cannon …
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Double Barrel #04
by Kevin Cannon and Zander Cannon
Man the harpoons! A new DOUBLE BARREL has surfaced!
First, Zander Cannon's HECK enters the city of Dis, the underworld's inner zone where the really bad folks dwell. In fact, some would say he belongs there... Meanwhile in Kevin Cannon's CRATER XV, Soviet Captain Sztab reveals his mad plan to …
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Double Barrel #05
by Kevin Cannon and Zander Cannon
Ready, aim, download! That's right, DOUBLE BARREL is back in action with a new issue!
Zander's hero HECK faces the legendary Minotaur for his biggest fight yet, while the series continues to grow in emotional richness and venture into genuine tragedy. Then in Kevin's CRATER XV, Army's amnesiac …
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Double Barrel #06
by Kevin Cannon and Zander Cannon
Roll up, roll up! It's time to roll out another issue of DOUBLE BARREL!
And boy, is this one a doozy. Zander's HECK saga hits its most incredible "holy #@$%" moment yet, as Heck and Elliott take a ride with Hell's horrific winged stinger-beast, Geryon! Meanwhile in Kevin's CRATER XV Wendy …
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Double Barrel #07
by Kevin Cannon and Zander Cannon
Time once again to go over the falls... in a DOUBLE BARREL!
In Zander's story, HECK continues his plunge into the depths, only to run into the last person he expected: the man who got him into all this! Over in Kevin's half, Wendy learns the incredible secret of CRATER XV, while Army is reunited …
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Double Barrel #08
by Kevin Cannon and Zander Cannon
Wherever you see trouble there-'ll... always be a DOUBLE BARREL!
In HECK, our hero finally finds the man Amy sent him to the underworld to find -- but what could Amy's message to him possibly be, to be worth all this anguish? The answer may blow your mind. Meanwhile in CRATER XV, Army Shanks and …
Double Barrel #09
by Kevin Cannon and Zander Cannon and Tim Sievert
Rub-a-dub-dub, three men in a DOUBLE BARREL! That's right, with this issue, Kevin & Zander are joined by another brave adventurer, terrific Tim Sievert (THAT SALTY AIR)!
In HECK, our hero finally hits bottom… and you know who lives at the bottom of THAT place, don't you? This may not work out …
Double Barrel #10
by Kevin Cannon and Zander Cannon and Tim Sievert
For adventure most feral -- reach for DOUBLE BARREL!
First, Zander's HECK finally accomplishes the job he was hired for -- but was it worth losing everything? Then in CRATER XV, learn the secret of the mysterious Captain Sztab, while Army explores the occult and Canada nears the launch of its …
Double Barrel #11
by Kevin Cannon and Zander Cannon and Tim Sievert
Is that a light at the end of the tunnel… or the gunpowder flash inside a DOUBLE BARREL!?
In Zander's HECK, our hero sets out to get his best friend back… even if it kills him! It's a titanic battle that'll blow your mind and break your heart. Then, in Kevin's CRATER XV, Captain Sztab risks …
Double Barrel #12
by Kevin Cannon and Zander Cannon and Tim Sievert
At long last, my little pellets, we've reached the end of this DOUBLE BARREL! Time to spray out into the world.
BUT FIRST! Zander's HECK puts the pieces together and gets some bittersweet closure. THEN: Who is Pravda really? What does Captain Sztab truly want? Is anybody actually going to make …
Doublecross has been one of the funniest and longest running minicomics in the biz, and finally, there's going to be a mass edition of one of the best parts of the Doublecross saga. Telling a complete story, this hilarious excerpt has us heading to Queens, New York to get a glimpse of Tony's family …
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Dragon Puncher (Book 1)
"Kochalka channels his inner child as well as any comic book creator who has ever lived." -- Timothy Callahan, Comic Book Resources
"Kochalka's work makes me feel like I did when I was six years old. He brings the joy back to comics." -- Frank Miller, creator of Sin City, 300, and Batman: The …
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Dragon Puncher (Book 2): Island
Winner of the Eisner Award for Best Publication for Early Readers!
We know the Dragon Puncher is a heroic warrior kitty in a robot battle-suit. But who is this new fierce fighting feline? And what outrageous adventures await on . . . DRAGON PUNCHER ISLAND?! Twice …
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Essex County
by Jeff Lemire
This critically-acclaimed graphic novel was recently chosen as one of Canada Reads' Top 5 Essential Canadian Novels of the Decade! It is also the winner of the American Library Association's Alex Award, the Doug Wright Award, and the Joe Shuster Award. And here's a brand new printing!
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Every Girl is the End of the World for Me
"An unsparing portrait of male anxiety and twenty-something lassitude, all rendered in drawings that are too crude to be anything but expressive." -- Jeff Salamon, Austin American-Statesman
"It seems Jeffrey Brown has been anointed Our Next Great Cartoonist." -- Mark David Nevins …
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Far Arden
by Kevin Cannon
"One amazing slice of storytelling magic." -- Junot Díaz, author of The Brief Wondrous Life of Oscar Wao
"One of the best graphic novels of the year." -- The AV Club
"Cleverly plotted ... Cannon is one of the comics world's most energetic storytellers, and his minimalist artwork, far from …
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Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
adapted by Troy Little
Winner of the PubWest Book Design Award.
Nominated for the Will Eisner Award.
"Troy Little masterfully captures the madness and essential humor that makes this book an enduring classic." — Darick Robertson (Transmetropolitan)
"I am super-into everything about this." — Kelly Sue …
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Feeble Attempts
Collecting some of Jeffrey Brown's favorite anthology and mini-comic stories, Feeble Attempts is at turns comedic and meaningful. It's densely packed with autobiographical musings, political jabs, Jesus, superheroes, funny job stories, childhood goofiness, and...okay, yes, even a little …
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by Will Dinski
From the winner of the 2009 Isotope Award for Excellence in Mini-Comics!
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"In Fingerprints, Will Dinski has succeeded in poking fun at an image-obsessed culture by reminding us that all …
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Fox Bunny Funny
"[A] wordless, deliciously mannered fable about desire, socialization and utopianism . . . Hartzell's narrative glides along so smoothly that it can take a few readings to notice how clever and nuanced his design sense is." --Douglas Wolk, The New York Times
"Andy Hartzell has beautifully …
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From Hell
by Alan Moore and Eddie Campbell
Winner of the Eisner, Harvey, and Ignatz Awards for Best Graphic Novel.
A New York Times Bestseller!
"Remarkable." -- Leo Carey, The New Yorker
" … dark, fearsomely complex …" -- Douglas Wolk, Publishers Weekly
"My all-time favorite graphic novel … an immense, majestic work about …
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Gingerbread Girl
by Colleen Coover and Paul Tobin
Read the complete story online at Top Shelf 2.0!
"Complex and engaging... I found this graphic novel to be enthralling." -- Mark Frauenfelder, Boing Boing
"An engaging, breezy read... Gingerbread Girl captures the romance of being young and kooky in a hip city, while acknowledging that …
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Honor Book — 2014 Lynd Ward Prize for Graphic Novel of the Year!
"Cannon really runs with this set-up, telling a morality tale within the trappings of a harrowing adventure that tests all three principals... Sturdily drawn, a helluva good comics caper." -- Ray Olson, Booklist
"Excellent... …
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Hey Princess
by Mats Jonsson
"Funny, relatable, honest. What's not to love?" --Whitney Matheson, USA Today
"The brilliance of Mats Jonsson's comics is knowing just how funny some of the most pathetic moments of adolescence can be, and not being afraid to share those, no matter how ridiculous it …
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Hey, Mister #1: Birth of the Cruel
"I laughed so hard at HEY MISTER! that about two drops of pee came out." -- Matt Fraction, author of Invincible Iron Man, Hawkeye, and Casanova.
Behold the triumphant return of what Details Magazine called "America's funniest comic book"! This Eisner-nominated series series is not only …
Hey, Mister: Come Hell or Highwater Pants
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Meet Satan. After eons of ruling the underworld, he's sad as Hell and can't take it anymore. So why not skip town and check out "the air up there"? He …
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The Homeland Directive
by Robert Venditti and Mike Huddleston
Named one of the year's best graphic novels by CNN, Complex, IFC, School Library Journal, Library Journal, and USA Today!
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Hutch Owen (Vol 1): The Collected
by Tom Hart
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Hutch Owen (Vol 2): Unmarketable
by Tom Hart
"A devastating satire, Unmarketable feels like a scalding hot poker cauterizing the open wound of American corporate and consumer culture." -- Andrew D. Arnold, Time.com
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Hutch Owen (Vol 3): Let's Get Furious!
by Tom Hart
He's outraged! He's not going to take it anymore! He's... not quite sure what to do next. Meet Hutch and his motley crew of lovable malcontents, struggling to make sense of an America that baffles, oppresses, and infuriates them. Collecting the five-year run of Tom Hart's bitingly …
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I Am Going to Be Small
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Everyone needs something funny to stick in their pocket to read on the train, or on a lunch break, or in line at the DMV. This is that something. Jeffrey Brown sets aside the sappy sentimentality of his …
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Incredible Change-Bots One
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Incredible Change-Bots Two
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nForce4 Ultra Roundup: Charting the Mainstreamby Wesley Fink on 7/5/2005 10:28 PM EST
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tribbleva - Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - linkEvery single one of these MBs has a fan on the NB... where are the passively cooled mobos? The last thing I want is one or TWO more tiny fans just on the mobo to worry about failing... Reply
Zebo - Friday, July 22, 2005 - link"someof you take Anandtech's word as the word of GOD"
It's as close as you can get without dying.:) Reply
Zebo - Friday, July 22, 2005 - linkViper - You should come inside the forums for specfic help.. Reply
dg3274 - Saturday, July 16, 2005 - linkThe article states that the Abit board has a problem with 1:1 overclocking. I disagree. I think the problem is that it does not provide enough ram voltage to run the RAM at high 1:1 FSB. 2.8 volts is not enough to run ANY ram much higher than 280 or so FSB. Reply
Viper4185 - Thursday, July 14, 2005 - linkNo one wants to help me with my n00b questions :( Reply
Marcel - Tuesday, July 12, 2005 - link#67 I must be a little a slow …
In the test "Maximun CPU Clock ( Lower Multiplier )"
For Chaintec, Abit, etc you use the multiplier in "11", and only for Epox and DFI you use the multiplier in "9", then you show a diagram with nothing more than the fsb.
The first question is WHY ?? there is no explanation for use different multiplier in the review. Not some guys, but ALL ones have better result in chaintec and abit with a lower multiplier.
TheGlassman - Monday, July 11, 2005 - linkThanks Wesley, I did find you had checked HTT, and as I stated in my last post I don't understand what the problem was. But the deeper I looked into the review, the better job you seemed to have done, so sorry if I impied you didn't try very hard.
DFI has a dual core (beta) bios available, dated 6-23-05
Epox has a dual core (release) bios available, dated 6-29-05
These were not used in testing. Reply
Wesley Fink - Monday, July 11, 2005 - link#59 and #60 - One of the first articles I did a couple of years ago about Athlon 64 was how to overclock by manipulating HTT frequencies. I ALWAYS test manual HTT dividers I know should work for certain 1:1 memory clocks as well as Auto HTT if it is an available option.
#58 - I was very CLEAR in the review that I tested with the BIOS that would allow the X2 A64 to work. We did check each board with an X2. That is the ONLY reason we tested and used very recent Beta BIOS'. Also there are 2 other very recent Chaintech reviews at other websites who had test results almost equal to what I found on the Chaintech, so there are at least 2 other Chaintechs loose with less than stirring overclocking. In the end, as I stated in the review, the Chaintech is a decent board, but at about the same price as the Epox, with poorer overclocking results, it was hard to give it an Editor's Choice this time around. The results found in this roundup should remove anyone's concern that we get cherry boards from manufacturers. I am a good overclocker, and very experienced in air overclocking and memory overclocking. What I got from these boards on air is all they could do with the TCCD memory that is all but standard test memory for motherboards these days. The capabilities of the memory we used is also well known and I tweaked for TCCD if settings were available if the board was not doing well at stock memory settings and our normal test timings.
I am really pleased some of you experienced better performance than I did with the Chaintech and Abit boards, but I can only report what I actually found in my tests. I don't think you come to AnandTech for a survey of what other websites or Forums found, because I find overclockers are notorious at exagerrating what they can reach with overclocks. We try to provide a consisten test environment for overclocking that will give repeatable overclocking results. Results, of course, always vary board to board, but having said that, OC results are usually pretty consistent on better boards from sample to sample. Reply
lefenzy - Saturday, July 09, 2005 - linkSorry, wrong link. that one was for the SLI version.
http://www.foxconnchannel.com/productsDownload_mot... Reply
lefenzy - Saturday, July 09, 2005 - linkFoxconn has a BIOS release that allow for multiplier adjustment.
ChineseDemocracyGNR - Saturday, July 09, 2005 - link"If you looking to save even more money, the 9NPA, based on the nForce4 x4 chipset, has a street price of around $90. You give up the SATA 2 support and 1000 bus, but most of the performance features are still available in the same basic motherboard. "
I think you're talking about the 9NPAJ motherboard, which uses the nForce4 chipset and supports "2.0 GTs HT FSB". Reply
truteck - Monday, December 19, 2005 - linkRegarding the post from ChineseDemocracyGNR on: Jul 9, 2005 3:19 PM
Quoting statement from Anandtech's reviewer:
"If you looking to save even more money, the 9NPA, based on the nForce4 x4 chipset, has a street price of around $90. You give up the SATA 2 support and 1000 bus, but most of the performance features are still available in the same basic motherboard. "
I think you're talking about the 9NPAJ motherboard, which uses the nForce4 chipset and supports "2.0 GTs HT FSB".
I agree with ChineseDemocracyGNR! To AnandTech:
No disrespect intended!
"Sorry to say, but i believe your statement is wrong".
The Epox Model # EP-9NPA+Ultra MoBo does support Sata-2 drives.
I don't know where you got that incorrect info.
Also, i'm not sure what you are refering too about your other statement about "giving up 1000 bus"? It supports 2000 bus.
T_T Reply
TheGlassman - Saturday, July 09, 2005 - linkHTT's multi's were listed in the review.
I have confirmed that the Chaintech's 6-03 bios overclocks just fine with single core cpu's.
Phiro, I understand your point, and it is a good one.
For me Anandtech reviews are one of my primary tools for deciding what hardware to buy. I think it is the same for a lot of people. Anandtech has earned this trust. That is why this review is disturbing. The results do not match my experience. You might notice in my previous posts, that I have followed false trails trying to figure out why. I cannot explain why the Chaintech board (and others with experience with other boards) performed so poorly in overclocking.
The reason this is imoportant is that the final ratings follow the philosophy stated in the beginning, that a better overclocker is a better board, because the actual performance at stock speeds is equal.The application testing bore this out.
Us 'bleeding edge" guys are well aware of how very small changes can make a big difference in performance. The fact that the award winners were using bios's not available to the public ( I have just now rechecked) that are dated a few days after their most recent bios, (for dfi, a beta which carries no warrantee support, their last release bios (the one that will be on the board you buy) is dated in March), throws the final results into doubt. In other words they appear to be special bioses for this test.
In the past, Anandtech has been very forthcoming when using a beta bios, explaining why, and stating that the board maker will make it available, or the included features available in a release bios. This was not done, they were not even labeled as beta's.
When Anandtech labels a board as an award winner, it is giving it's seal of approval, that people such as your self and myself will factor in when making a buying decision. The truth is under your criteria, any of these boards will serve you very well. From the application tests, your decision should be based on a) a good match to your programs, b)features you need or think you may need, and c) price. Anandtech's recommendation is irrelevant.
Anandtech's "forum-bleeding edge" audience is larger than you assume in your estimate. The fact that you are looking at an nVidia board at all says you are very involved in you purchasing decisions, other wise you would let some one else handle it for you. "gimme something that works" would be your involvement.
Anand awards have been given to 2 boards that you cannot buy, or so far even upgrade, to "as tested".
Speaking for myself, computer hardware is hard to keep up with, and losing a rock like Anandtech will be a great loss. I hope that will not happen, but excellent sites do fall by the wayside if they slip too far. Reply
Phiro - Friday, July 08, 2005 - linkI think Anandtech has their audience nailed down about 80% of the time - their one flaw is listening to their forums a little too much IMO.
Too many people have posted "oh what a dumb review we already bought our motherboards blah blah blah" - a GOOD example of not listening to the forums. If you're posting on the forums, you've probably been here for some time and you're in that 1% of computer users who qualify as "bleeding edge". Anandtech doesn't want to constantly address just the bleeding edge audience - as fun as you can be, you're 1% of the market, and for every right decision you make, you make wrong decisions.
To rip on Anandtech a little bit though, they do listen too much to the forum overclockers. The vast majority of users have NO interest in overclocking. 4% higher framerates isn't worth goofing around with voltages and installing a water cooling system. Reply
arswihart - Friday, July 08, 2005 - linkI think its funny that so many people are now like, "Epox is the best" "they OC the best" "I'm gonna get one of those Epox NF4 boards that Anandtech reviewed". I have told you for months that Epox is nice, and to get the 9npa+, and great reviews have been floating around for a long while now. someof you take Anandtech's word as the word of GOD. That is hilarious and I guess its to be expected out of the mainstream audience that reads Anandtech.
About the 9npa+ and 9npa SLI, OFFICIAL dual-core BIOS's were just released today by Epox. Enjoy. Reply
TheGlassman - Friday, July 08, 2005 - linkGood question. It could explain the problems experienced with most of the boards. The chipset will run well over 1000 with no problem, but 1200ish will cause the boards various problems, usually a reset to a safe mode.
Peanya - Thursday, July 07, 2005 - linkHmm I wonder if they tried a 3x LDT multiplier on some of those boards. I'm thinking that's why the Abit wouldn't get past 250MHz. I've not only seen reviewers get well past there, but many users. Some brands automatically lower the LDT for you, whereas some do not. Was this taken into consideration? Reply
AtaStrumf - Thursday, July 07, 2005 - linkMOBOs have always been messy things to test, debug etc. The thing I hate most is changing the MOBO, because there are so many possible problems associated with it.
I do have one HUGE gripe with this roundup. You chose to test DFI's non SLI board as a control for SLI/Ultra boards, but that happens to be the worst possible choice. Why? Because, as you pointed out yourself, that is exactly THE SAME board, with just one pin on the chipset shorted/cut. For control you should have tested the worst case scenario, like a physically different board (just one PCIe 8x/different layout, feature set) possibly a newer revision. This brings us to the biggest problem with this kinds of assumptions and MOBO testing in general. Different versions, REVISIONS, bios', different memories, variable sample-to-sample MOBO quality, and now to top it off, different Athlon CPU revisions. I definately think you should not have made the assumptions that you did and should have tested ASUS, MSI and GIGABYTE NF4 Ultra boards. They are afterall one of the biggest enthusiast MOBO manufacturers.
If you want to keep your reputation you should definately pay more attention to this sort of things. Don't rush so much! You don't have do a roundup, post individual board reviews and take more time with them. Like you did with the DFI! You should even get at least three samples of each MOBO from different sources and compare them in order to really be able to get reliable results. Forum posts from other people can be very misleading, because of all the variables and skills these people have. This would make you THE BEST ;-) As things stand now, you're pretty mediocre I'm afraid.
One typo I found:
Page 19:
Our past tests have shown performance of the AGP-8x and PCIe **688** Ultra to be virtually identical
Probably 6800 ;-) Reply
Viper4185 - Thursday, July 07, 2005 - link1) Wesley next time please can you post instructions of how to run memtest to determine the best tRAS rating for your memory. I emailed you in your last article and received no response. Yes, I am a n00b. Perhaps someone else can tell me :P
2) I have the same memory as you, how do I check if it is TCCD or TCC5?
3) You don't actually say which ethernet controller is better, the Marvell or the NVIDIA?
4) I think it was a big mistake for you to leave out the Gigabyte boards. For those that are interested in the Gigabyte boards compared to some of the above check out this review.
Otherwise good review, thanks Wes. Hopefully you can answer Q1-3 or someone else :) Reply
Jotequila - Thursday, July 07, 2005 - linkHum.... Chaintech VNF4-Ultra can reach 275+ FSb easily, there are so many users here that can say same thing as me....
There is something strange on the results, i can bet that other mobos on the round-up can reach high mhz too....
Look this:
Is with my chaintech, i think that you are cheating things here...
Best Regards,
Juan Edaurdo Donoso
Andreos - Thursday, July 07, 2005 - linkWesley - That helps, thanks for educating me on this stuff. Reply
Wesley Fink - Thursday, July 07, 2005 - link#51 - We reviewed the K8NXP-SLI in the SLI roundup and the Ultra counterpart is the K8NXP-9. If you will look closely at the Gigabyte website pictures of the K8N Ultra-9 you will see it is the same board with a passive heatsink and fewer features. For information on how your Gigabyte performs at stock speeds (which is all that interests you) then please refer to the single video benchmarks for the K8NXP-SLI in the SLI roundup. We report all benchmarks at stock speeds so you and other readers can compare performance. Overclocking is covered as a separate feature. If you do not choose to overclock that is your business, but the information you are asking for is fully covered in our reviews. ALL the nForce4 Ultra boards perform almost the same at stock speeds, which should not really come as a surprise since the memory controller is on the CPU. If you were expecting the Gigabyte K8N Ultra-9 would perform better at stock speeds that anything else then you are badly misinformed. The Gigabyte boards do very well at stock speeds, but all the nF4 boards are close in performance at stock speeds.
#53 - The BFG VNF4 Ultra is a rebadged (relabeled) Chaintech VNF4 motherboard. We did review the Chaintech VNF4 Ultra in this roundup.
VinnyS - Thursday, July 07, 2005 - linkI would have liked to have seen the BFG NF4 Ultra board included in this round-up, it got high marks in a [H]ardOCP review. Any chance for an update to this review with this board included? Reply
TheGlassman - Thursday, July 07, 2005 - linkWell I was tired, You were using the 6-3-05 bios, should have quit while I was ahead. So now I have no idea what the problem was.
At any rate the 6-3-05 bios is a dual core bios, so no flashing to a beta is needed for dual core.
Andreos - Thursday, July 07, 2005 - linkI don't think you guys know your audience all that well. Not everybody is into overclocking to the hairy edge. Some of us wnat a fast and quiet board with dead-nuts solid reliability. For that reason, it is incomprehensible that the Gigabyte GA-K8N Ultra-9 was not included in this so-called "roundup". This board has no SLI counterpart, but it is of extreme interest to a lot of folks planning workstations based on X2 processors (and for which overclocking is of lower interest than reliable operation). Wake up dudes - the game is changing! Clock speed is no longer the Holy Grail. Other sites are savvy to this and will soon be eating your lunch! Reply
Palek - Thursday, July 07, 2005 - link#49, no worries. I don't work for Anandtech, by the way. :)
By my "far more than a day" remark I intended to say that I figured a review like this would take more like a week at a minimum - quite possibly even longer - to put together, so by the time the article was released some BIOSes would be outdated, since BIOS updates seem to pop up every other day these days. That is all. Reply
TheGlassman - Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - linkSorry Palek, you didn't write the review, oops. My apologies to you and time for bed.
Wesley, can you look into that?
Thanks, and I'm sure glad the over a day remark wasn't yours. Reply
TheGlassman - Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - linkThanks for your comments Palek, especially the latest and greatest comment. I checked the bios you used for the chaintech, it is a dual core only beta, ANY release bios including the 6-03-05 official dual core support (a month older than either of the winning (because they over clock TCCD better?) boards, and older than any dated bios) will perform much better in overclocking and probably every other test.
If Chaintech shipped you a board with that bios it wasn't a wise move for a single core test. I think it would be fair to retest the chaintech vnf4 with a release bios, and if the results are different to note that.
As far as the time taken to prepare this round up, much less time could have been used running bench mark after benchmark that shows apprx the same performance, and I would expect it take more than a day to write up such a comprehensive review. To take a few days to do testing that can benefit people who will base their buying decisons on your results, I think would be worth while.
I am happy that I could pinpoint the problem with the Chaintech VnF4 Ultra results, as you may have guessed I am quite familliar with it. In the past, Anandtech has always explained why a beta bios was being used, I guess that it wasn't noted this time because you felt rushed.
PS I know the DFI's are excellent boards, but their site lists a march date for their most recent bios, so maybe you should have used that one instead of their latest and greatest TCCD overclocking beta bios, and since you were using a beta, you should, again, have listed why.
I'm sorry, saying it took more than a day is not good enough for the anandtech standards that have been so high for so long.
Wesley Fink - Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - linkWe have corrected the CPU and Memory voltage adjustments for the Abit AN8 Fatal1ty. This version only has voltage adjustments to 2.8V for memory, while the later Ultra and SLI versions do support memory voltages to 3.55V. Reply
Palek - Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - linkWesley, that would be "proofreading" - one word! ;) Is that a job offer? :)
#41, TheGlassman, you shouldn't have unreasonable expectations. I'm sure this review took far more than a day to put together, so of course some of the BIOSes used will not be the latest and the greatest. Adding three different types of RAM to the mix would require even more time. Then if you want to test them with different divider etc. settings, suddenly you have over a hundred combinations, a benchmarking nightmare. You have to draw the line somewhere. This was not an article focused on overclocking, but a comparison of 7 motherboards. I would have liked to see the new Abit boards included as well, but I guess that review will come soon enough, too. Reply
Zebo - Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - linkDoes ECS build EPOX's boards? just curious because they look pretty cheap like ECS IMO.. Reply
Heidfirst - Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - link"[b]#19 and Others - I'm sure you must have noticed that some web sites have never posted a negative review of an Abit board. Also water cooling and asynchronous ram is hardly comparable to our air-cooled tests.
The first thing I did was check other reviewers and users of the Abit board. The great majority are running into problems at about 250 FSB - although a few are getting better performance. Abit has had so many complaints about the OC performance of this board that I would fully expect a hardware revision on the horizon.[/b]"
Well the Fatality AN8 SLi, AN8 SLi, AN8 Ultra, AN8 V2.0 & AN8-V are effectively the new revision as I pointed out. Why buy a Fatality AN8 when the AN8 Ultra has better Vcore, better sound & is cheaper?
& people have had HTT395 & DDR660 out of them on air ...
Heidfirst - Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - linkReply
Wesley Fink - Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - link#19 and Others - I'm sure you must have noticed that some web sites have never posted a negative review of an Abit board. Also water cooling and asynchronous ram is hardly comparable to our air-cooled tests.
The first thing I did was check other reviewers and users of the Abit board. The great majority are running into problems at about 250 FSB - although a few are getting better performance. Abit has had so many complaints about the OC performance of this board that I would fully expect a hardware revision on the horizon.
Abit set the expectation that the AN8 Fatal1ty was the best of the best with a price tag to match. It's an interesting board with many interesting features, but it's performance as it now stands is nowhere near the best. Reply
TheGlassman - Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - linkI think that a round up such as this would serve the readers better if three types of memory were used and various dividers used.
My Chaintech VnF4 is running at 256x11 quite happilly, so I know it will run well over 245 with a divider with my memory, and I'm sure most of the other boards as well. And yes, many people run it over 300 HTT with lower multi cpu's.
This is not to say that 1:1 testing is not important, but since this is a round up, the various needs and budgets of your readers should be taken into account.
Seeing bios's used that are dated during the testing, with a known single memory may if repeated cause readers to think that Anandtech doesn't deserve it's well earned reputation as a fair and complete tester of all things important to PC ethusiasts.
Using memories with 3 different types of chips and using relevant dividers to find maximum HTT's and cpu speeds with each, while being more work, I think will be worth while to your readers, especially in a round up where boards are compared directly to each other.
This current round up implies that most nF4 boards are not capable of high HTT's, but the truth is you have only shown that most do not run one type of memory at very high speeds. You have not exposed the limits of the boards, nor do we know if the situation is the same with any of the other commonly used memories. Reply
bldckstark - Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - linkXpose-
Not too early. I don't have my board yet. I have been waiting on X2. Using your same logic that means that nobody has a board yet right? I mean, since I am the only person I know that is going to build a A64 system soon then I should assume that nobody has one.
Geez Reply
xpose - Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - linkThis Editor's Recommendation for best motherboard is at least 3 months too late. We already have had all of our boards.
Also, to say that the VN4F Ultra is a bad overclocking board is completely wrong. I have a 3000+ CPU running at 2.67gz now. That is about 49% OC and damn good reguardless of the MB. Reply
Son of a N00b - Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - linkgreat article! you can clearly see the hours of hard work you put into it. Great Job, I enjoyed it and it was jam packed with info.
one quuestion though where was the gugabyte board ultra board?? sure you may have reviewed it in the SLI roundup, but then did you not do the same with DFI? Plus you had great results with the reference gigabyte board, but not the revision 1 board...i'd like to see how ir fairs now...maybe i missed something why you reviewed the DFI board again becuase I am not familiar witha ll their variations and naming scheme, but to me it looked the same...why review that one and not the others? sure its great to rehash what a great board the DFi one is but....
just wondering as I have always had great success with gigabyte boards...but i probably missed something even thought i read it back to front, sorry if i did as i know that you would never do something without a good reason behind it...
anyway thanks, keep the awesome articles rolling... Reply
smn198 - Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - linkHi Wesley, thanks for the clarification on the HTT. do you know if it would have any more of an impact when dual core is brought into the equation?
Thanks again. Good article BTW! Reply
BigandSlimey - Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - link#18 I really like that idea, would probably be a headache to make it and keep it updated though. Reply
yacoub - Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - link#33 - Wesley, that's awesome news. Can you post that somewhere more important so buyers know to be on the lookout for it? =) Reply
kyparrish - Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - linkGood article!
I'm seriously considering dumping my DFI S754/NC 3200+ setup for that Epox board and a cheap S939 A64 :) Reply
Wesley Fink - Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - link#29 and #31 - UPDATE: I have talked with contacts in the Memory Industry and Samsung TCCD is now available again from Samsung. TCCD disappeared for a few months but production didn't really stop. TCC5 is DDR466 and TCCD is DDR500, but both chips come off the same line and are binned for speed grade. Samsung stopped binning for DDR500 grade until recently - and left this job to the memory makers.
Recently Samsung has told memory makers they are binning once again for DDR500/TCCD and the TCCD chips are available again. It will take a few weeks for the pipelines to fill but TCCD is not dead. Some companies are staying with TCC5 at a lower cost and binning for the top performance unless the yields start to go down. Reply
Wesley Fink - Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - link#24 - The base nForce4 is sometimes called the nForce4 X4 and runs at 800 HTT, while the Ultra and SLI run at 1000HT. When 1000HT was first introduced we found no real difference in performance at 800HT and 1000HT. What the 1000HT did provide was quite a bit more overclocking headroom. A reader may have an example of where 1000HT outperforms 800HT but the real world difference is negligible.
#28 - There are now more than 60 BIOS releases for the DFI nF4, many customized for particular memory types. Only 3 have been posted to their website. For the latest DFI nF4 BIOS a good place to check is www.xtremesystems.org or the BIOS Files Forum at www.bleedinedge.com. There is now a 7/04 BIOS that is reported to be more stable in upper memory ratios (433,466,500) with Rev. E chips.
#29 - You are overstating the TCCD situation. Corsair still sells TCCD, as do several other memory vendors. There is no doubt TCCD is drying up everywhere but Corsair, and that will continue. New TCC5 dimms that are said to perform like TCCD are in process in at least one memory company. We have requested these new TCC5-based dimms and will share our findings as soon as we receive the memory. There are also some new BH5 dimms that we thought were gone forever. We have even seen the new BH5 binned and advertised as DDR500 2-2-2 at higher voltages around 3.3V. Reply
yacoub - Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - linkWell, while this review -has- convinced me to go with the DFI board over the Chaintech, that is purely due to the audio CPU usage issues of the onboard vs daughterboard. I'm shocked at how much difference that makes.
That said, most of the memory testing (and thus most of the review) was meaningless to me (and everyone else who doesn't have access to TCCD memory anymore). =/ Reply
Wesley Fink - Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - link#17 - Thanks for pointing out the errors. They have been corrected. Do you want a job proof reading :-)
yacoub - Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - linkRegarding the tRAS recommendation:
Can we petition Anandtech to stop using memory that the consumer can't get anymore? (Namely TCCD-based Plat Rev2.) Go pick up some TCC5 and do your tests with what the consumer is actually going to be receiving so your tests actually mean something. Reply
mongoosesRawesome - Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - linkWhat BIOS version did you use with the DFI? It reads: "Award 7/01/2005 Release" in your list of features for the DFI, but I could not find that BIOS release on their website. Reply
AsiLuc - Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - linkSorry I meant: GA-K8NF9
http://www.giga-byte.com/MotherBoard/Products/Prod... Reply
AsiLuc - Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - linkI'd liked to see the Gigabyte GA-K8NP9 reviewed, because it has passive southbridge cooling (silence :) ) and is cheap. Reply
arfan - Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - link"So ECS, Foxconn, Biostar - we can only suggest that you need to add features and performance that will make an AMD user want to buy your boards. "
Why u think's ECS is bad ???
From your benchmark, ECS is not too bad, their ranking in the middle until top1.
Sorry, if myenglish is so bad. Reply
smn198 - Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - linkPage 1: "There are no performance differences in the SLI and Ultra chipsets, or even the base nForce4 for that matter. These chipsets differ only in which features are available to the buyer - but they beat with the same heart."
I thought the base nForce4 had a 800MHz HT where as the Ultra and SLI have 1GHz. Is that not correct? Reply
Frallan - Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - linkFor PSU requirements read the mfg websites. Especially the DFI comes with explicit requirements.
480W 24pin ATX 2.0+ PSU and from experiance Id have to say that U want a 1st tier PSU on top of that. Anecdotal advices that its possible to run a DFI SLI set up overclocked from a 350W PSU exists but fact remains that a good solid 500W+ ATX 2.0+ PSU will help U with stability. Reply
Calin - Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - linkWhat I want to ask: does the processor works with four DS DIMMS at 1T command rate at lower frequency? By what you say (that 2T command rate is much slower than 1T command rate), then 1T command rate at 333MHz would be faster than 2T command rate at 400MHz. Reply
Vesperan - Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - linkI love the look of that Epox board. Pity noone imports Epox products into New Zealand any more. Reply
GhostlyGhost - Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - linkErmm.. It's "Marvell". With two l's. Reply
Heidfirst - Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - linkI think that you must have a bad example of the ABIT. A no. of other sites (HardOCP, Hexus etc.) have all been over 300 ref. clock with it.
Not to mention that there is also now the non-Fatality AN8 Ultra which is cheaper & yet has better sound & 3.55Vdimm instead of 2.8V on the Fatality ... Reply
DLeRium - Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - linkI think the Neo4 should've been included even though it was in the SLI test. Same with the Asus board. Those are really important boards. I'm sure if you add up the Asus and MSI users they would outnumber Biostar + Foxconn + Chaintech + ECS. Iono. just my 2 cents. I dont want to go look at the SLI review and then compare it to this review to see other boards and do a mental benchmark merge to get hte relative performance.
You know what we should make? We should make the uber super chart system. Kinda like THG's CPU charts. Just make the interactive system comparation machine. Choose a CPU, a mobo, a gfx card etc. If you bench every component (not every combo), but just CPUs vs CPUs, mobos vs mobos, you can get the relative score and construct a relative table for combinations..... hmm just a thought. Reply
Palek - Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - linkA few mistakes made it into the final article...
Page 7
1. The following bit does not belong in this review. Cut and paste?
"There are absolutely no PCIe slots at all on the Neo4/SLI except for the pair of x16 slots for SLI video. MSI tells us that the 2nd PCIe can function as a PCIe x1 slot if you're not using it for video, but that is it for PCIe. Does this really matter? Right now, it really isn't important, since we had a very hard time even finding a PCIe x1 LAN card for the new PCI Express. It may matter in the future, but by that time, you will likely have moved on to a newer version of whatever chipset is the latest wonder. This is particularly clear when you look at the feature set of the MSI, since it is definitely a cut above the other boards in this roundup."
2. "SPDIG" should be SPDIF, or S/PDIF if you want to be really accurate.
Page 11
1. The title row of the table is incorrect. The motherboard name should read:
"DFI LANParty UT nF4 Ultra"
2. Link to next page is also incorrect, same as above.
Page 12
1. Title of the page is incorrect, same as above.
2. Title row of the table is incorrect, same as above.
Page 13
1. "SPDIG" round two.
Also, do guys have any idea why placing the codec on a daughter card reduces CPU overhead? Obviously there is something more going on than just the physical relocation of the chips. Any theories or explanations? Reply
Xenoterranos - Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - linkJust a word about the soundblaster Live on the MSI board...
"That price tag [200$] may be a bit high for the average gamer who just spent most of his/her savings on a Pentium II / Voodoo2 setup, however if you're going to swallow the cost of an expensive sound card it might as well be the Creative Labs SB Live!"
That was Anandtech back in '99. And you're getting this for free! (well, almost) Reply
vijay333 - Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - linkoh...final system will have 4-5 HDs, standard DVD reader/writer along with (most likely) a 6800Ultra or a X800XL... Reply
Xenoterranos - Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - linkAnandtech did toy with a listening test a while back (I really don't remember much about it, other than the fact that they should have used Klipsch proMedia Ultra 5.1 speakers...) Reply
vijay333 - Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - linkMaybe I missed this info in the article somehow, but could you provide the minimum/recommended PSU wattages for the motherboards? esp the DFI and the Epox. I have a Antec 400W Smartpower PSU right now, but read a few posts on newegg that this might not be enough? Hope I don't need to upgrade this too along with the mobo, cpu and gpu... Reply
vijay333 - Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - linkReply
knitecrow - Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - linkI have a comment about audio -- a topic that most sites ignore.
Shouldn't there be a blind listening test?
i mean cpu utilization is fairly useless. If i am listening to mp3s i care more about the quality than cpu utilization. Reply
flatblastard - Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - linkI stopped reading on page 4 upon discovering the round-up. No explanation needed... Reply
Wesley Fink - Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - linkg33k -
The DFI was more a control to demonstrate SLI and Ultra performance were the same other than SLI video. Drivers have updated and we retested everything on the DFI as a sanity check. We ran benchmarks and not a full review, but it was hard to ignore the excellent performance.
There is also a comment in our Final Words that the MSI Ultra board should also be considered a winner, since the SLI version was a Gold Editors Choice in the SLI roundup, and the Ultra should perform the same. Reply
g33k - Tuesday, July 05, 2005 - linkAlong the same logic though, I'm curious as to why you chose to review the DFI Ultra-D when you reviewed the SLI version of this board earlier as well?. Reply
g33k - Tuesday, July 05, 2005 - linkJeez, read Wesley's comments, he just answered why he did not review, the MSI board. It was already reviewed in the SLI roundup.
Wesley Fink - Tuesday, July 05, 2005 - link"As you can see, none of the onboard audio solutions were quite as low in CPU utilization as the Creative SoundBlaster Live! Chip, which is used on the MSI K8N Neo4 SLI Platinum tested in the nForce4 SLI roundup."
Since this is still nF4 we included components tested on all nForce4 boards. The Ultra version of the MSI, BTW, uses the Realtek ALC850 chipset and not the Sound Blaster Live!. The SB Live! is only used on the MSI SLI. Reply
lsman - Tuesday, July 05, 2005 - linkyet, "As you can see, none of the onboard audio solutions were quite as low in CPU utilization as the Creative SoundBlaster Live! Chip, which is used on the MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum."
so creative on board is a reference? because you do not test the MSI K8N Neo4 platium. Reply
Wesley Fink - Tuesday, July 05, 2005 - link#2 -
As we said several times in the roundup, we reviewed the MSI and Asus in the SLI roundup. The SLI and Ultra chipsets are exactly the same chipset with SLI enabled on the SLI chipset. We did not see what new information we could bring you by reviewing the Ultra versions fo the same boards. As you can see in the benchmarks in this roundup the DFI perfoms in Ultra exactly as it did in SLI.
The MSI was an Editor's Choice in the SLI roundup and is a similar good choice as an Ultra board. There have been some issues with the Venice and San Diego overclocking and MSI has finally released a new BIOS to address these problems.
The Asus was not a particularly good overclocker in the SLI roundup, and not an Editors Choice, but it was a decent performer at stock speeds.
Djinni - Tuesday, July 05, 2005 - linkVery good work, but I too would of liked to see the MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum in there since thats what I just bought yesterday :P Reply
MaxisOne - Tuesday, July 05, 2005 - linkNice .. but partially useless considering the Asus A8N-E and MSI offerings are missing from the lineup which is what im looking to compare to the DFI Ultra D Reply
ChrisSwede - Tuesday, July 05, 2005 - linkReply

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Th3Loonatic - Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - linkLike for reals. Why? Why do they even bother? Are they trying to con unsuspecting people who go, "OOOHHH!!! NEW GPU on my laptop!" ? Reply
Jamor - Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - linkThat exactly. The bastirds. Reply
MrSpadge - Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - linkLooks like we can finally stop bashing nVidia for the renaming and start bashing both instead..
MrS Reply
Death666Angel - Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - linkAMD already rebranded in the 57xx series and made them the 67xx series. So you should have been bashing them for about a year now. :-) Reply
GokieKS - Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - linkThey still haven't done it quite as egregiously as nVidia did with the multiple rebrandings of the 8800GT, but yeah, this following the 5770->6770 is almost as bad. Reply
JarredWalton - Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - linkDon't forget that the 8800M GTX actually did go through a die shrink when it became the GTX 260M. That's actually a sensible approach when moving to a new process, and while it didn't do much for performance it was a lot more than a straight rebadging. So really, 8800M GTX became 9800M GT, and that's basically the same as what NVIDIA has done with the GT 630M vs. GT 540M -- a drop in model number positioning in the new series. AMD is basically doing the same thing here with the 7600M vs. 6700M and 7500M vs. 6600M. (The 7400M vs. 6400M on the other hand looks to be no better.) Reply
chizow - Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - linkNonsense, ATI rebadged both R200 and R300 countless times and even around the 8800GT's prime they rebadged the R600 (2900) into the RV670 (HD 3870).
People put far too much emphasis on the unimportant peripheral details of a product (for whatever reasons) instead of the actual FPS and price and ultimately the value and relative performance of the product. Reply
mino - Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - link... rebadged the R600 (2900) into the RV670 (HD 3870)
I want what you are smoking! Reply
CarrellK - Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - linkYou are incorrect Chizow. The RV670 was not the same piece of silicon as the R600. There were many differences, but the obvious ones were a different process (80HS versus 65) and a different memory interface (R600 was 512b...) Reply
chizow - Thursday, December 08, 2011 - linkAnd the cited 8800GT rebadge wasn't the same piece of silicon either, as 8800GT/G92 was 65nm and the 9800GT/G2b was a die-shrink to 55nm. Same with R600 to RV670 since it amounted to a die shrink.
See my point? There's no point in nit-picking over this kind of practice because EVERYONE does it to some degree to fill out their product lines.
Even the paradigm of the industry, Intel, does this regularly. There's a strong chance they're still selling Wolfdale-based CPUs somewhere as Pentiums and making money on them. Reply
erple2 - Friday, December 09, 2011 - linkNo, the 8800GT to 9800GT to GTS250 were the exact same chip, just with some die shrinkage. The 3870 was a substantial departure from what the 2900 series was - the die shrink alone wasn't enough to justify the substantial reduction in die size. Cutting back the 512bit memory bus cut it down a HUGE amount, too. There were also several minor tweaks to the architecture to boot. There was more redundant parts of the GPU in the core, too. Read up a bit more on it at http://www.anandtech.com/show/2679 ... Reply
chizow - Friday, December 09, 2011 - linkYes the R600 to RV670 shrink cut down the internal ringbus and external bandwidth in half which accounted for ~30M fewer transistors but *FUNCTIONALLY* the part was identical and just a rebadge/shrink of R600.
Also, how can all the G92 variants be the "exact same chip" when you've already acknowledged a die shrink, not to mention the 8800/9800GT only had 112SP enabled where the 9800GTX/GTS 250 had the full 128SP enabled? You must have a different definition of "exact" i suppose. There's more differences between the products that I won't even bother getting into.
Again, its ironic that certain people are so willing to overlook the differences in ATI's rebadges so conveniently forgets the differences with Nvidia's rebadges while condemning them, which is again, why people shouldn't bother nitpicking over such trivial matters.
All that should matter to someone when buying is price, performance, and features and in all the cases of the various rabadges all 3 were just where they should've been relative to newer parts. Reply
Sunagwa - Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - linkYea pretty much it right there.
It's a sad day for gamers everywhere. On the bright side the real parts are right around the corner. =D Reply
aguilpa1 - Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - linkWow, so pathetic it is beyond words... Reply
mariush - Thursday, December 08, 2011 - linkThey're forced by the laptop manufacturers - "if you guys don't come up with some new models, we'll go with the new models from nVidia".
What would you want them to do? Reply
evilspoons - Monday, December 12, 2011 - linkI think this is why Apple doesn't list model numbers for this sort of thing for their laptops (both CPU and GPU, with the exception of the Intel HD 3000 for some reason - probably because it's so much better than the old Intel GPUs).
For better or for worse, all they list is the RAM available (which I think is silly, since it's not as big a factor as the average person thinks it is) and the relative performance to their other models. Reply
evilspoons - Monday, December 12, 2011 - linkI stand corrected, they DO list the model number on the specs page... well, at least they don't bother with the ridiculous Intel CPU model number. It would be nice if they'd list turbo boost speeds though. Reply
lanestew - Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - linkSaw the headline. Got excited. Then felt sad and disappointed. Reply
ganjha - Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - linkSame here... Reply
piroroadkill - Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - linkWow. Yeah, same. I was about to get stuck in to lovely Southern Islands details, but what I got was a pile of re-heated mush.
Poor show TSMC, poor show AMD. Reply
geddarkstorm - Monday, December 12, 2011 - linkPoor show Nvidia. Really, I'm not sure if we can blame AMD or Nvidia this round. TSMC just can't seem to get its act together and is holding everyone back, ever since the 4x nm node. Reply
mgl888 - Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - linkI totally agree. :( Reply
doesitreallymatter - Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - linkAgreed. I've been looking a lot lately at grabbing a new laptop for portable gaming so this is quite a let down. Reply
TheScottyB - Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - linkI know it's not exactly Anadtech's fault (unless they wanted to put bias in the headline)... but still makes me sad. :'-( Reply
JimmiG - Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - linkI had a Radeon 7500 ten years ago... :p Reply
Jamor - Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - link:D
Hey, I have 7300GT on my current work mac.
Judging by the numbers, I'm pretty much current. Reply
geddarkstorm - Monday, December 12, 2011 - linkI don't even want to know what will happen when this hits e-bay. Reply
zero2espect - Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - linkfor five seconds - or exacly 1 paragraph i was excited there.... Reply
r3loaded - Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - linkWhy on earth do AMD/Nvidia pull these product naming shenanigans? Even though its branding is confusing, at least Intel doesn't rebadge old stuff with new names and product numbers. Reply
KZ0 - Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - linkIt doesn't make much sense. Those who are up to speed on the product numbers mostly know what they actually mean (in this case, the same as 6000), and the average user has no relation to the product numbers at all. Reply
MrSpadge - Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - linkIt's another case of "If it looks the same, how will people know I've upgraded?"
This time it's the laptop OEMs, not some consumer standing in the queue.
MrS Reply
Ryan Smith - Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - linkYou've hit the nail on the head.
Laptop OEMs are already launching their 2012 products, and even though they don't have any new hardware to work with (versus whatever they launched 6 months ago), they need "newer" products. It's very similar to how car manufacturers operate.
So AMD and NVIDIA are obliging them, hence the rehash for the 7000M and 600M series. It doesn't really excuse this mess, but the customer gets what the customer wants. Reply
mariush - Thursday, December 08, 2011 - linkLaptop/netbook manufacturers want new models when the new versions of their laptops are made... sort of like the clothes with the spring-summer releases and autumn-winter collections.
They just want bullet points on pages, differentiating their new laptops from the old stock - they don't care if they're faster, better and they certainly don't care what company they order from so both companies are pressured into releasing something, anything, just to keep their contracts and move stuff. Reply
Pantsu - Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - linkLaptop makers want new models, Nvidia and AMD can't provide them, hence they rename old chips. TSMC just isn't ready with 28 nm.
Hopefully these rebadgings at least drop the prices a bit, but then again we'll never know that, only whether they'll show up in cheaper laptops.
Looks like there's bound to be supply issues with new 28 nm desktop GPUs when they actually release them. What a surprise. Reply
gevorg - Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - link... they had to fail in mobile GPU line too Reply
tipoo - Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - linkThe mobile lineup using last generation chips is nothing new. I'm pretty sure the GTX500M series is based on 400 series parts, if I'm not mistaken. Still waiting for the *real* new cards. Reply
xxtypersxx - Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - linkActually, 500 series parts are substantially improved over the 400 series parts as they benefit from chip refinement and the addition of Nvidia's 3rd transistor type to lower power draw and heat. Performance doesn't change a ton, but they are certainly more different than anything we see the two companies announcing today. Reply
TerdFerguson - Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - linkAMD and NV have been ripping consumers off with these same designs for quite some time, now. Instead of regularly bringing out new, higher performing, products that replace older models at the same price while greatly improving performance, they give us new incarnations of old tech. I understand the concept of binning, but they've been selling hobbled versions of their $600 flagship boards across the entire product line for so long now that it is just absolutely repugnant. I honestly hope and pray that Intel's upcoming integrated graphics parts are good enough (and they don't need to be much better) to light a fire under the stagnant, price-fixing, hegemons of the graphics industry. Reply
bji - Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - linkRipping people off because they don't produce products on a time schedule and with a price that you approve of? That's ridiculous.
If the graphics industry is stagnant, it's because the market is shrinking. Most people are happy with their consoles or with console-level performance on their desktop. Fewer people are willing to pay more money to increase the resolution that they can run their game at when the difference in enjoyment of the game is negligeable.
Also the suggestion that Intel's integrated graphics are even *close* to being able to compete with any flagship product from AMD or NVidia is also ridiculous.
AMD already produces an integrated graphics solution that is far, far better than anything Intel can produce, and is likely to produce in the forseeable future; it's what's in the A-series of AMD CPU. Reply
AlB80 - Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - linkLook at the die size and you understood VLIW5 (32-bit) is the most effective architecture. And also it's modern. Reply
RussianSensation - Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - linkThat may be true, but rebadging parts is doing nothing to move the industry forward for either camp. Sad showing indeed. They didn't even move these parts to 28nm to try and reduce their power consumption. It would have been far better to cut the prices on current line-ups to bring more performance to the consumer at lower price levels, but no. The performance improvements in graphics industry on the mobile side seem to be getting worse and worse every new generation, while the transparency behind specs for those cards is also lacking. Reply
Wreckage - Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - linkAll the rumors said the 7000 series was going to be this epic update? Bulldozer part II. Reply
serpretetsky - Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - linkrumors about the 7000 series weren't talking about any rebadged parts. Amd hasn't released the 7000 series everyone is talking about yet. We're still going to see whether or not it's Bulldozer part II. Reply
kolobos - Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - linkYou probably thought these Radeon 7000M GPU are new products by AMD. And these NVIDIA 600M are new? NOPE! No they're not! They're old! They have been bastardized by their developers in California, U.S.
Look how RAM is cheap and overproduced, we won't have notebooks with less than 4 GB. Nope! It's just Chuck Testa.
Oh no, non-TN panels are finally can be produced for reasonable price. It's probably hard to find monitors, TV and notebooks with crappy TN these days. Nope! Chuck Testa.
Hold on a second, new SSD are probably better and more durable than old ones? Nope! It's just Chuck Testa with another realistic mount.
Call Chuck Testa for the most life like dead innovations around. Period.
Did they just create OLED TV after 10 years of waiting? Nope! Reply
LV3 - Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - linkThe GPU industry needs to find a way to pull out of TSMC - you can almost always link a problem nVidia or AMD is having to 'fab issues at TSMC' or 'TSMC is late on the next process'
But shame on AMD for rebadging, OEMs will charge a premium for no additional performance. nVidia did the same thing, but AMD was supposed to be the one who doesn't do that. Not anymore. Reply
Roland00Address - Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - linkGlobalfoundries? One of the other fabs?
Globalfoundries is currently several months behind TSMC in production, and it is to my understanding that the other fabs are even further behind TSMC. Only Intel is developing there factories faster than TSMC is. Reply
Belard - Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - linkAMD seems to be on a fast track to stupidville.
It's pointless and stupid to repackage the last years crap.
Anyone who knows the difference can see this is stupid. So when the real 7000 series comes out... Now you have an older tech with a new name... The confusion isnt worth it AMD. Nvidia has been doing this from years. Why follow them? Same stupid crap like Firefox 8 or 9 whatever the frack browser it is that I no longer want to touch. Between ff 4.0 and 8.0 (4.4 really) Opera has had 4 releases that did more... 11.11 .50 .51 .52 and recently 11.60 which has not made the news like stupid ff "8".
Add this garbage to amd's new K Llano chips... Like as if anyone who knows what a K chip is, would be fooled by this naming trick from AMD. Llano isn't in the same game as i5 CPUs... Neither is the slightly faster and embarrassing FX chips. Reply
Concillian - Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - linkWe're launching a GPU that will be running at... hmm, we aren't going to tell you.
It will have memory bandwidth of... guess!
I know people are more interested in discussing that it's a re-badge, but really what is the point of having a launch with no specs at all.
If they didn't already have the parts on the shelves since they're the same as last gen, then this would be a textbook paper launch, but since they do, what do you call this, I mean other than dumb. Reply
ICBM - Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - linkApparently they fired the wrong people in the marketing department. This is the kind of crap they need to get away from. Reply
alent1234 - Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - linksounds like it's a paper launch with no products for months to come except hot air
i heard Intel wants to start renting out Fab capacity to others and with TSMC's problems i can see ATI and Nvidia going to Intel Reply
Roland00Address - Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - linkThe 6630m to 6770m has 480 shaders (vliw5) a die size of 118mm^2 (40nm) and it is effectively a 6670 that has been downclocked
The 6990m has 1120 shaders (vliw5) a die size of 255mm^2 (40nm) and it is effectively a 6870 that has been downclocked
You can easily find cheap sub 800 dollar notebooks with one of the 6630m to 6770m graphic card in there.
So assuming a die shrink of 40nm to 28nm (with perfect scaling, which I know is impossible) the
6990m replacement will have a die size 125mm^2 or very similar to the current 6630m to 6770m.
And while a perfect scaling is impossible, some of the 7000 series gpus will be vliw4 instead of vliw5. I am assuming the 6990m replacement will be vliw4, thus I believe it is likely to get 6990m performance in the 800 dollar range in the next 6 months or so. Reply
SydneyBlue120d - Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - linkIs there any differences or is it always the same feature set? I red rumors of new UVD version with decrypt on board and maybe Nvidia may put the latest PV version on the old/new cards ? Tnx Reply
Ryan Smith - Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - linkSame GPUs. Same features. Reply
theangryintern - Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - linkSo where are the 7000 and 600 series desktop cards? Reply
tzhu07 - Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - linkThat's what I want to know too!
I recently ordered a Sandy Bridge build from newegg sans video card. I plan on using the integrated HD3000 graphics in the meantime and later drop in a 7000/Kepler GPU. I mostly use my computer for productivity and light general use, so the lack of a real video card isn't too agonizing...Bleh.
Still, I'd like some official news of the HD7970 and GTX680 top end cards. Reply
antef - Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - linkHey I am right there with you. I don't really have time to build during the school semester so I am debating between either building over Christmas without a video card or delaying the whole build until after the spring semester. I can't decide! If the new cards are right around the corner I would build now, but people have been saying that since May! If they are delayed until March or later I might as well just wait. Reply
dj christian - Thursday, December 08, 2011 - linkComing in Mars Reply
sotoa - Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - linkCraptastic. Rebadge again.
What gets me is... Where's the competition? How does one company know what the other is doing and they match each other STEP FOR FREAKIN STEP??? Reply
CarrellK - Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - linkSeeing as how I no longer represent AMD, I think I can comment on this.
As the person responsible for AMD's graphics roadmap for many years, I know for a fact that neither company knows what the other does. You might read one of Anand's articles where I was interviewed. I believe I discussed this in passing in one of those articles. That isn't to say that I didn't make my best estimates for what I thought nV would do (and was right most of the time), I did. That rarely drove my decisions.
Doing what I thought we could do that would best address the market drove the decisions. We both use nearly identical technologies to build our products, and if we both do the best we can with those technologies, guess what the outcome is?
No collusion or evil intent. Reply
Anand Lal Shimpi - Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - linkCarrell - thanks for dropping by :)
FYI, CarrellK == http://www.anandtech.com/show/2937 Reply
sotoa - Friday, December 09, 2011 - linkOh that Carrell! That was the BEST article I've read here on Anandtech.
Thanks for the input. Reply
eman17j - Thursday, December 08, 2011 - linkAnd of course we all should believe you because corporate PR guys have never told a lie..blah blah blah.. Reply
Stas - Thursday, December 08, 2011 - linkYou thought these were new GPUs?
Nope, it's Chuck Testa! Reply
bennyg - Thursday, December 08, 2011 - linkI like articles like this. Make me feel all nice and warm and fuzzy, after reading the headline and wondering if my purchase of a few months ago would be officially out of date.
Well done Jarred on the omission of "New" from the headline.
The irony - about 6 years ago ATI would have still had some of their "X600" parts on sale, and Nvidia had just introduced their "7000" series... Reply


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PurposeThis is a page that will help you convert colors between RGB, CMYK and HSV color spaces. Some examples:
|Sea Green
|Royal Blue
|Light coral
- CMYK color model (subtractive model)
- RGB color model (additive model)
- RGB named colors palette
- easyrgb.com (exotic color models)
- HSV (Hue/Saturation/Value)
- HSL (Hue/Saturation/Luminance)
- YUV (Luminance/Chrominance)
- YIC (Luminance/Chrominance)
- Remark:
- Just like language translation, color conversion is not always a straight-forward one-to-one mapping. Specifically, RGB has less degrees of freedom (3) than CMYK (4). Therefore, although one can convert any RGB to CMYK without losing information, the inverse is not the case. When a CMYK color is converted to RGB, some information is lost. When you convert that RGB color back to CMYK, you will in most cases get a different (but similar) color.


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Naples to Florence-Italo
Fares & Useful Information
Italo is an ultra-modern train designed by global leader Alstom to meet demand for comfortable and safe High Speed travel.
Italo Virtual Tour: Explore the Italo trains, accommodations, services.
Information details, train stations names and departures times are informed at product page.
All Italo tickets are etickets, a booking confirmation will be sent soon by email with a specific code (PNR) You should print it or storage in a device and show it when required by train's controller.
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Fares & Conditions
Italo Train Tickets - Fares Conditions:
b) Low Cost Fare: Not Refundable. Exchangeable (subject to availability) before travel date.
c) Early Fare: Requires the booking at least 30 days before travel date.
d) Children Fare:
e) All tickets are subject to confirmation. The tickets have a variable horizon for booking, normally 60 to 90 days within trip date. A booking confirmation will be sent as soon as the booking have been processed.
f) All fares are per person in US Dollars, subject to to change before the booking processing
g) E-tickets: A booking confirmation is sent by email with a specific code (PNR) You should print it or storage in a device and show it when required by train's controller.
h) Handling fee: all bookings are subject to US$ 8 handling fee
Assistance to Passengers with Reduced Mobility
Italo is committed to guaranteeing discrimination free transport for people with disabilities and reduced mobility, in compliance with the provisions of EC Regulation no. 1371/2007.
Italo can supply you with information and assistance if you call Pronto Italo (Italo's Contact Center) at 060708.