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Watford's unbeaten run extends to five matches following today's 2-2 draw with Blackpool but it felt like a defeat after Isaiah Osbourne denied the visitors victory with an injury-time goal.
The Hornets led 2-0 after just 21 minutes thanks to Ikechi Anya and Troy Deeney's goals and Gianfranco Zola's men were comfortable for most of the first half.
However, their inability to maintain possession meant the second period was a difficult one and after Kevin Phillips reduced the deficit shortly after the break, Osbourne scored from 20 yards in injury time to secure Pool a point.
Watford made four changes to their starting XI; Fitz Hall replaced the injured Lloyd Doyley, Cristian Battocchio made his first start due to Jonathan Hogg's suspension, Anya was in for Marco Cassetti and Fernando Forestieri made way for Matej Vydra.
Both sides had corners early on but it was Watford who started the brighter and took the lead after just four minutes. Manuel Almunia gathered a Pool corner and rolled the ball out to Battocchio. He found Matej Vydra who slipped the ball through to Anya and the winger coolly slotted past Matt Gilks.
It was almost 2-0 moments later as Troy Deeney released Vydra on the right side of the penalty area and his pull back would have left Nathaniel Chalobah with a simple finish had Alex Baptiste not been there to clear.
The advantage was doubled midway through the half when Mark Yeates' free kick fell to Deeney eight yards from goal and he hit his shot into the roof of the net.
The Hornets were extremely comfortable, particular in the opening half an hour. Elliot Grandin had a shot blocked and there were a couple of crosses sent into the area but the only time Watford's goal was troubled was when Almunia took too long with a pass back and his clearance went straight to Phillips, who directed his header narrowly wide of the empty goal.
Pool improved as the half came to a close and shortly after the impressive Mark Yeates hit the side netting from 18 yards, Tom Ince forced Almunia to save after a jinking run.
But Watford were good value for their lead and were 2-0 up the break.
The home team started the second half much better than the first and Ince was put through minutes after the restart. His shot was straight at the on-rushing Almunia and was saved. Nathan Delfouneso also had a tame header easily saved.
Blackpool did reduce the deficit though when Watford failed to clear from a corner and a Pool attacker reached the byline and his low cross was turned in from close range by former Hornet Phillips.
Watford's inability to keep possession did not cause too many problems in the first half but it did in the second. The Hornets were unable to retain the ball and if they were not attacking themselves, then the visitors were inviting pressure.
Delfouneso had a header comfortably saved and Gomes fired yards over the bar from distance but on the whole, Pool were unable to make the most of their possession.
Gomes was proving to be a real threat as the half went on. Within a minute, he forced Almunia to tip over, almost caught out the Watford goalkeeper with the resulting corner and then dragged wide from 18 yards.
Blackpool's star man for much of this season has been Ince, who was relatively quiet in the opening 70 minutes. However, the England Under-21 international almost equalised when he cut on to his left foot and rattled the crossbar from 18 yards.
Michael Appleton's men continued to be the side on the ascendancy and had a penalty appeal turned down with 15 minutes remaining when they believed a shot hit the arm of Hall.
One of the few times Watford maintained possession it ended with a decent chance for Zola's men. After a period of possession, a 40-yard diagonal ball from Murray released Deeney, who cut inside the defender, laid the ball off to Battocchio but his shot was blocked. Chalobah had a shot from distance saved also.
Pool continued to search for their equaliser though and Almunia needed to tip Wes Thomas' header wide with less than ten minutes remaining.
It looked as though the Hornets would hold on for the five minutes of injury time but when Ince ran across the edge of the area, Osbourne curled a 20-yard shot past Almunia and into the bottom corner.
Ince sliced a long-rabge effort wide but the rest of injury time was largely uneventful and Watford had to settle for a point.
Blackpool: Gilks; Broadfoot, Baptiste, Cathcart, Crainey; Basham, Sylvestre (Osbourne HT); Grandin (Gomes 29), Delfouneso, Ince; K. Phillips (Thomas 68).
Subs: Harris, Angel, Dicko, Halstead.
Watford: Almunia; Ekstrand, Hall, Hoban; Anya (Cassetti 60), Yeates (Murray 75), Battocchio, Chalobah, Pudil; Deeney, Vydra (Forestieri 82).
Subs: Bond, Thompson, Smith, Geijo.
Referee: Kevin Wright.
Attendance: 13,076.


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Google's Nexus One Not Getting Android 4.0 Updateby Andrew Cunningham on 10/26/2011 3:00 PM EST
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tipoo - Wednesday, October 26, 2011 - linkCyanogenmod. They already have a working-ish port for the Nexus S, I'm sure they'll give the One some love. Reply
gevorg - Wednesday, October 26, 2011 - linkGoogle is obsoleting their phones like their browsers. Should learn a thing or two from iOS. My iPhone 3GS from 2009 is still rocking with 2011 iOS 5 and will probably support iOS 6 from 2012. Thats 3 years of major upgrades! Reply
dagamer34 - Wednesday, October 26, 2011 - linkThe Nexus One was last sold July 2010. The iPhone 3GS is still being sold. I think that's a major difference right there. Reply
Guspaz - Wednesday, October 26, 2011 - linkExcept Google was still selling the Nexus One to carriers in Canada well into mid 2011. If you bought your brand new Nexus One a mere six months ago, you'd probably be pretty pissed off not to be getting any OS newer than 2.3.4 (at least for Videotron customers).
The fact that some Nexus One customers will never get even 2.3.6 is one of the major flaws of Google allowing carriers to mess with releases. Reply
sprockkets - Thursday, October 27, 2011 - linkWhat does 2.3.6 have to do with not getting 4.0? Reply
robinthakur - Friday, October 28, 2011 - linkAgreed, what a complete PR disaster. It's no surprise when many of the bigger Android OEMs think it's fine to orphan their phones from new releases in favour of pushing their latest model when Google behaves this way. They haven't said that it is a hardware limitation, just that it is "too old", and this is simply not good enough when Apple have set the bar so high with their iOS updates, which despite the sneering from some quarters do a sterling job and support theircustomers far better. I guess you get what you pay for in the end. Oh, and relying on a user community and Cyanogenmods is not a realistic prospect for 99.9% of users, especially corporate ones (if any corporates used the Nexus One) Reply
solipsism - Wednesday, October 26, 2011 - linkThat's a good point. The iPhone 3GS could still be selling more per quarter than all the Nexus One's currently in use. Last i read they sold 135k in just over 2 months. There is no financial reason Google should be supporting such a failed device. Reply
hardwareguy - Wednesday, October 26, 2011 - linkIt's a pretty big assumption to say that the 3gs will support iOS6 when iOS5 is not even a month old. I'm happy if my phone can get 2 years of OS upgrades. After that I'm looking for a new one anyways.
/me has a year left to wait on replacing his iPhone 4. Reply
kronarq - Wednesday, October 26, 2011 - linkThe thing that no one seems to be pointing out is the last major update to the Nexus One came out February 2011. So the device only actually received 13 months of updates if you bought the phone at launch and 7 months if you bought it in July 2010. This is a major fail on Google's part and they handing more ammunition to Apple. Reply
Dug - Wednesday, October 26, 2011 - linkHow is this a major fail?
Google never promised updates for life. 95% of people won't even care because the phone already does what they need it to.
I'm sure someone will port it over to work on the Nexus like every other phone. So don't get your panties all in a bunch. Reply
tayb - Wednesday, October 26, 2011 - linkIt's a major fail because Google should be supporting its flagship products for FAR longer than 15 months. It's pathetic. These phones do not suddenly become obsolete after 2 years and the idea that Google does not care to support phones older than 2 years is just embarrassing.
I guess that is what you get with a 90% baked free operating system. Reply
sprockkets - Wednesday, October 26, 2011 - linkSeeing as how the N1 did what iOS5 took 2 years to get...your point? Reply
mavere - Thursday, October 27, 2011 - linkPoint is that while we cannot see future, we can sure as hell understand the past, and the past indicates that the 3GS was a better buy and that Google is willing to relegate the N1 and its ilk to the hordes of geeks chanting "CyanogenMod!!" as if that has any significance to the market at large. Reply
sprockkets - Thursday, October 27, 2011 - linkWhy is the 3Gs a better buy when it was inferior to the N1 in most ever way, except for the apple reasons?
Let's not forget either the reason why the 3GS is even sold - since when has anyone forced apple to sell 2 gen old hardware before? Normally once the new comes in the old disappears from existence off their store. Reply
doobydoo - Thursday, October 27, 2011 - linkQuote:
'Seeing as how the N1 did what iOS5 took 2 years to get...your point?'
Oh please, the N1 was a failed device, and doesn't even support the latest release to Android which finally tries to catch up with iOS 5, despite being released later.
This lack of long term support is laughable, and certainly would put any logical customer off when considering buying a phone.
The iPhone 3GS is still supported and that sets a compelling precedent such that buyers of iPhones can be confident their phone wont just be cut off from future updates within 2 years. Reply
sprockkets - Thursday, October 27, 2011 - linkReally? Who had cloud support since day one? Who had notifications since day one?
Oh wait, an apple fanboi. Perhaps apple disagrees with you on the phone being a failure - apple sued HTC over it.
And what was the 3G? 2 years old and cut off from ios4 (or should have been?) Reply
doobydoo - Friday, October 28, 2011 - linkWhat are you talking about re: cloud support. Cloud support is STILL not fully integrated into Android, you still can't seamlessly sync your contacts, IM conversations, apps, documents without installing multiple 3rd party apps.
Dropbox etc have been available on iPhone just as long as Android, but doesn't sync contacts or IM conversations (and is also more expensive). As for notifications, that's one tiny feature in thousands of others, are you so blind to reality that you're going to hang your hat on one tiny feature?
As for the 3G, no it wasn't cut off from iOS 4.
Wheras the Nexus One, is. Oops. Reply
Dug - Thursday, October 27, 2011 - linkWhat feature is sooo important that you can't live without that's in ice cream.
I don't know anyone supporting updates for 2 years with any phone except Apple, and even then you don't get every feature because the hardware doesn't support it.
I also don't know anyone that has kept their Nexus because of better phones out there. Google probably sees a very small amount of people actually using these. Reply
doobydoo - Friday, October 28, 2011 - linkIf you say ICS isn't any good, and that nobody cares about the upgrade, I'd say that's even worse.
You can't have it both ways.
If ICS is an improvement, people are justified to want it, some of whom may have only bought their phone 7 months ago on a 24 month contract.
If ICS isn't an improvement, then why would people want a phone which has an operating system which never improves? Reply
V-Money - Wednesday, October 26, 2011 - linkI don't know, my Nexus one that I bought in Jan 2010 is still running strong with MIUI on it, I wouldn't call it obsolete. I can get over 2 days worth of battery with normal usage (still original battery) and its customized exactly how I like it. I'm not saying that I wouldn't want ICS, but to call it obsolete is just incorrect, and cyanogen and MIUI (among others) will definitely have a variety of ICS flavors out shortly enough. Reply
sigmatau - Wednesday, October 26, 2011 - linkMy 3GS ran like crap on iOS4. I can't imagine it even being usable with iOS5.
Processing power for phones does not increase like desktops. You may see a 20-30% increase every year or so with a newer CPU or GPU on a desktop, but on phones, we have been seeing closer to 50-100% increase.
The only thing that the 3GS is holding onto is it's half resolution display (compared to the 4) that may allow it to still somewhat function with newer more robust software as time goes on. But not everything is straining to draw an image on the phone so maybe not.
The other thing that was horrid on the 3GS was it's memory. I dumped my 3GS a week prior to iOS5. So when it was running iOS4 and even before that, it could not keep in memory enough of a web page/pdf to not have to keep redrawing/re-downloading it every time you scrolled more than a little bit. This was very annoying having to wait for it to load another section of a pdf as I scrolled. I'm so happy with my Galaxy S2. I use much larger documents on it and have yet to encounter the same issue.
To me, my Galaxy S2 is like a personal computer where you can do just about anything you want and know it is capable of, while my 3GS was more like a public library terminal that allowed you to do many things but not even close to what was capable or even reasonable. I still can't believe I couldn't get my music off my phone when I lost my music on my hard drive using iTunes. Or I couldn't get my contacts out of a backup. The phone was ok (in 2009 to early 2010) but the software was pretty silly. Reply
doobydoo - Thursday, October 27, 2011 - linkI think we can disregard your whole comment after you said:
'I dumped my 3GS a week prior to iOS5'
People who have actually tried iOS 5 say it runs perfectly fine.
You're comparing the memory of the 3GS to the memory of a Samsung Galaxy S2? Really? Do you not see the problem with doing that? Of course the Galaxy S2 being a new phone looks good compared to the 3GS.
You can do anything you want on the iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4 and iPhone 4S. Maybe you just couldn't work out how? It's very easy to get music on / off phone and none of the phones I just listed require iTunes at all. Contacts are synced using iCloud. Basically your comment is completely out of date, mistaking old hardware and old software for a true representation of what a company has delivered, which means you are badly, badly misinformed and are making a false comparison. Reply
sigmatau - Friday, October 28, 2011 - linkUm you don't know what the hell you are talking about. I actualy have posts on the Apple forums that tell me you can't do what I told you cannot do with your crappy 3gs.
Of course I compared the memory you idiot. That is the whole point of showing how old and obsolete the 3gs is today.
Don't lie to cover your horrible software restrictions.
Got it? Reply
solipsism - Wednesday, October 26, 2011 - linkIs AnandTech going to do an iPhone 4S review? It's been out for almost 2 weeks now. Curious how this stacks up to other Android-based devices and the previous iPhones. Reply
inighthawki - Wednesday, October 26, 2011 - linkThey've already done some preliminary benchmarks if that's what you're looking for. Reply
solipsism - Wednesday, October 26, 2011 - linkI mean a full review like they do with all major phones after they hit the market. Maybe two weeks is normal, but I certainly don't recall that being the norm for AnandTech. Reply
Andrew.a.cunningham - Wednesday, October 26, 2011 - linkI believe Anand and/or Brian are working on that now, though I don't know anything about an ETA. Reply
solipsism - Wednesday, October 26, 2011 - linkThanks. I hope it's soon.
I don't buy a new smartphone unless I read the detailed review from AnandTech first. Reply
Andrew.a.cunningham - Wednesday, October 26, 2011 - linkAlways good to hear! :-)
I'm sure those details are what's keeping the article. Your patience will be rewarded! Reply
cditty - Wednesday, October 26, 2011 - linkYou know Anand does his reviews right... Not that paid for crap like En, I mean AppleGadget does.
When his review comes, it will be full of facts and great information.
I have found that Anandtech may not be first with a review, but they always have the BEST one... Reply
mavere - Wednesday, October 26, 2011 - linkI always see a lot of comments stating certain tech blogs (Giz, Engadget, Techcrunch) being so pro-Apple that it defines their existence.
While page views definitely do not determine who's right and who's wrong, the size and reach of these blogs make me wonder if there's a mobile tech version of the saying "reality has a left wing bias". Reply
cditty - Wednesday, October 26, 2011 - linkI would call Engadget the Fox News of Tech. I actually love the site when Joshua and crew were there. They were pro Apple, but at least covered other things and had a good podcast.
Now, AOL seems to think there must be one Apple headline a day at least. For instance. In the past three days, there have been 2 headlines about porting a NON WORKING Siri to other devices. Who cares if it doesn't work. That is a page view post.
I deleted Engadget from my bookmarks this morning and will give This Is my next/The Verge a shot.
It's funny that in 10 years, there are only two sites that have been in my bookmarks the whole time... Anandtech and HardOCP. Neither one of them are afraid to speak their mind. Reply
Gnarr - Wednesday, October 26, 2011 - linkI just bought Nexus One phone 4 months ago (a new phone) for my mom. This really sucks.
But what is the real reason they don't update it? Nexus One is almost exactly as fast as Nexus S, it's even faster at some tasks :\ Reply
jalexoid - Wednesday, October 26, 2011 - linkInternal storage capacity is 512 MB in N1. Reply
Dribble - Thursday, October 27, 2011 - link+1
It's got nothing to do with google not *wanting* to support older devices - unlike apple who gets money from selling the phones google doesn't care which phone you use. I think even the cpu is just about fast enough.
I bet it's a simple case of 512mb of flash not being big enough to fit ICS + some apps. Reply
sweetspot - Wednesday, October 26, 2011 - linkwell issue with most phones is majority are not 4g LTE yet outside of the few newer models available.
Most folks getting a new phone will get 4g flavor going forward, so upgrading old one is mute point, unless you have phone in hand and wont be getting upgrade soon. Those folks still under the 2 year contract for their current phone will pray for it.
Stuck with 2.3 for another year and half all those folks that bought one 6 months to a year ago, on those 2 year contract deals.
Whats the % of people that actually go full term 2 year contract deal with their original phone for that so called special deal ?? Id say over all would be less then 15% the other 85% break contract early and upgrade or leave carriers to another brand. Reply
Sunrise089 - Wednesday, October 26, 2011 - linkI'm no Apple fanboy - iPhone are the only Apple products I've ever owned. But if Apple cut OS support for a flagship phone that's still under contract people would be going ballistic. I get the Nexus One sucked, but when people buy a subsidized phone with a two year deal there is some expectation that the phone will be supported for the length of the contract.
Of course Google is free to do what it wants, and as consumers we can take note and act accordingly. I just find it a bit sad that there's so little outcry when Apple isn't the company making the decision. Reply
jalexoid - Wednesday, October 26, 2011 - linkObviously this sucks. But support not same as new features. I believe Apple even charged for iOS upgrade once...
And considering that the phone sold in miserable numbers, no one will actually listen to the owners :( Now HTC Desire.... That is another story. Reply
doobydoo - Thursday, October 27, 2011 - linkApple didn't charge for iOS, ever.
Having the latest and greatest iOS is THE SAME as features, unless you argue that Android 4.0 brings no new features (a ridiculous claim).
The fact the phone sold so poorly is no excuse. Reply
Andrew.a.cunningham - Thursday, October 27, 2011 - linkIn the early days of iOS, back when it was called iPhone OS, new software updates (versions 2 and 3) cost $10 for iPod Touch owners, though it was always free for iPhone users. iOS 4 was free to everyone who could install it. Reply
doobydoo - Friday, October 28, 2011 - linkYep, with phones it's always been free. Phones you may have a 24 month contract etc so it's expected that you get free updates.
Even for the iPod owners, at least they had the option to upgrade. If they don't want to pay, fine, they keep their old OS, but they were given that choice.
Nexus One owners are skanked :( Reply
SmCaudata - Wednesday, October 26, 2011 - link18 months is how long Google expects manufacturers to provide updates for phones. I'm guessing that for the Nexus line it is about the same. ICS will fall outside of that original 18 month window.
The other problems is that ICS is going to soft buttons and has some other upgrades that they feel would not be showcased on the Nexus One well. My guess is that with the unification of tablets and phones going forward, the nexus line will get closer to 2 years of updates.
To those that are comparing this to iOS... just look at the operating systems. The upgrades that are enabled on the 3gs are only mildly CPU taxing. It didn't get the full upgrade really. I'm guessing that Google could also release a neutered version for the Nexus One, but people would complain about that as well. Reply
hechacker1 - Wednesday, October 26, 2011 - linkApple isn't immune to advancing technology either with iOS.
My late 2009 2nd Gen ipod touch was replaced by the 3rd gen in 2010. It came with iOS 3, I was able to upgrade to iOS 4.21 when Apple cut off all further upgrades due to hardware changes.
Essentially, I got just about 1 year worth of updates.
But for something like the ipod touch, with limited specs, it doesn't really make sense to try and cram more features into it if it slows to a crawl. iOS 4 was notably slower than iOS 3 on the same hardware (for the 3GS as well).
So I'm sure the open source community will port ICS to the first Nexus, but will it run well? Well probably better than what Apple could have done. Reply
doobydoo - Thursday, October 27, 2011 - linkWhat are you talking about. The 3rd generation iPod touch came out in September 2009. Not 2010.
The 2nd generation iPod touch came out in September 9th 2008. The upgrade to iOS 4.2.1 was released on November 22, 2010
That is over 2 years worth of support.
The Nexus One was released on January 5, 2010, and is now not receiving support. That's LESS than 2 years worth of support.
Sorry, but this is an absolute fail by Google.
Also, iOS 5 runs fine on the 3GS. Reply
sprockkets - Thursday, October 27, 2011 - linkHey, appleinsider is just a click away! There you can enjoy being yourself! Reply
doobydoo - Friday, October 28, 2011 - linkGood arguments, well made. You proved all of my factual statements incorrect.
When you interpret facts as bias, that's when you should realise you're the one who needs an anti-apple site, not me needing the reverse. Reply
tayb - Wednesday, October 26, 2011 - linkIf Google isn't willing to support their "own" devices for two+ years what chance do other devices stand? I own a Droid X and I do not honestly expect to get ICS. How pathetic is that? The phone is a little over a year old.
There are plenty of reasons I won't be returning to Android when my contract is up but this software upgrade nonsense is pretty high up on the list. Reply
dalcool - Thursday, October 27, 2011 - linkBummer, at least I found a cool site that has the Ice Cream Sandwich wallpapers. It is formatted for mobile so they are easy to install. www.freedroidwallpaper.com Reply
Booster - Thursday, October 27, 2011 - link"Google's decision not to support less-than-two-year-old Nexus One with its newest mobile OS stands in contrast to Apple's strategy for the oldest phone in its lineup, 2009's iPhone 3GS, which received most of iOS 5's new features when the update was released earlier this month"
So this settles it. I'm officially done with Google. Their services are okay to use if free, but when money comes into play they act like experienced conmen. Reply
Booster - Thursday, October 27, 2011 - linkAdroid is a well-engineered scheme to con people out of their cash, so no surprise they aren't partial to software updates. For Google to benefit, you have to buy an all-new device even if it's not much different from the old one.
In order to lure their victims Google uses fancy names and appealing graphics images of food products, thus attacking you on a subconscious level since noone can live without food. It works like this: food = always good. Ice cream sandwich = food = good, necessary. Need ICS, but no update = okay, off to pay the big bucks to Google since it's the thing to do. It's truly retarded to fall for this. Reply
Booster - Thursday, October 27, 2011 - linkBut very clever for Google, indeed. They've created a demand for things you could live completely without before. And now not only you have to pay several hundred bucks to Google each year, this operating scam system also generates unnecessary internet traffic thus booming the mobile industry. I mean, do you really need to watch the weather widget on your home screen? I don't, but if I went with Google, I'd have to sheel out hundreds of dollars for the hardware, software and wireless services (probably thousands with a contract) to be able to do stupid things like checking weather on the smartphone. Very freaking smart indeed - create new demands people didn't even think they had, persuade them they need it - profit. Brilliant. Reply
doobydoo - Thursday, October 27, 2011 - linkNot very clever if people get fed up with the lack of upgrades and switch to another manufacturer. Reply
Tanclearas - Thursday, October 27, 2011 - linkI'm assuming that post was tongue in cheek...
Google makes no money from the sale of handsets. Weird, huh?
If you are really looking for the money-making con-artists, well have you ever wondered why you have to pay hundreds of dollars more for an iPhone over an iPod with nearly identical hardware?
Google wouldn't even be the ones responsible for updating (or not) the Nexus One, which was manufactured by HTC. The more appropriate response from Google would have been "we don't decide which devices will or will not get an upgrade".
Many of the features of ICS aren't even applicable to the Nexus One, or even other fairly recent high-end Android phones. How useful is face unlock without a front-facing camera? How useful is more advanced multi-tasking controls on a device with 256MB of RAM? How many phones even have NFC hardware? Definitely not the Nexus One. Reply
doobydoo - Friday, October 28, 2011 - linkGoogle does make money from the sale of Android handsets. Any Android handset that comes with Gmail, the Android Market, Google Search etc have paid Google a license per handset to use them.
Of course, every download app later on is also money to Google, (even if free apps) through advertising or purchases.
Someone who has bought a Nexus One doesn't really care whos responsibility it is to update the software. The fact is that nobody has done it, and that's the important point. One company passing the buck to another is weak and irrelevant.
Some features of ICS may not be applicable to the Nexus One as you've said, but I'm assuming there are more than 2 new features on Android 4, probably including numerous security fixes and 'thousands' of other improvements. If I had bought an Android phone 7 months ago, I would not expect to have to miss out on these features. The operating system could easily disable Face recognition if the phone doesn't have a front facing camera, and could easily be configured to cope with differing amounts of RAM. There is basically no excuse for not letting people upgrade their phone. Reply
Tanclearas - Friday, October 28, 2011 - linkWrong. So very wrong. No license fees. Not to Google anyway. Just patent payments from the hardware vendors to Microsoft.
Arguing about making money on downloaded apps is simply ridiculous. That is completely separate from handset sales, and Google isn't any "worse" than Apple (both take 30%).
And there aren't "thousands of new features". There are a handful, and most features added to ICS are more about enabling features for future phones. Some of those features have made it only onto some of the most recent phones.
I suppose you're thinking about all of the "revolutionary" features that made it into iOS 5? Like Siri? The app that used to be in the App store but Apple pulled and took away from users of "old" devices?
Stop painting Google as such a villain and Apple as the saviour of the downtrodden. Reply
icebox - Thursday, October 27, 2011 - linkAfter they quit supporting the n800 and n900 fairly quick. But my wife's ~3y 5800 just got a new update a few days ago.
Indeed, I was looking into android as my only viable alternative considering my usage style and it's frightening to see the rate at which manufacturers churn out devices. It's like everybody has 1-2 devices / month and that can only mean that most of the old devices are quickly becoming obsolete. Reply
Mugur - Thursday, October 27, 2011 - linkI'm not worried about Nexus One... How about other Android phones from 2010 or older? :-) I'm sure most of them won't touch version 4 and I found it quite logical, just look at how Honeycomb ran on tablets: do you thing that any CPU or GPU (not to mention the graphic drivers) will support ICS? My bet is only for 2011 models and not all of them (I have a HTC ChaCha and I would put my money that it won't receive ICS...). Reply
shompa - Thursday, October 27, 2011 - linkSince Google does not control the graphical layer of the OS, they can't never GPU accelerate it.
This is one of the reasons why single core A4 scores almost as fast as dual core Tegras.
This margin vill only expand as Apple use more and more SIMD/GPU/NEON/Apple visual engines stuff in their OS.
Apple can even do this cheaper then Android vendors since they design their own ARM SoC. The A5 is 30% larger then Tegra2 but costs as much as Tegra2. Apple does not need to make a profit on their A processors. Nvidia have to make a profit on their ARMS. So Apple get 30% real estate for "free" Reply
melgross - Thursday, October 27, 2011 - linkThis should be expected, as Android gets very poor support.
http://theunderstatement.com/post/11982112928/andr... Reply
shompa - Thursday, October 27, 2011 - linkDidn't Google announce at Google I/O that all Android vendors had agreed to support all phones at least 18 month?
IOS was the first mobile OS that delivered major software updates. People seems to forget how it was before 2007.
All phones had telephone companies that branded them and preloaded them with crapware. No software updates besides hot fixes.
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ZoSo - Saturday, October 29, 2011 - linkKind of a bummer that the N1 isn't going to get the upgrade, but as it was mentioned, the dev community will probably make it happen.
Some food for thought. As far as longevity of a device and getting OS upgrades. A good amount of people usually upgrade devices at the end of there contract anyhow, so there's no real concern there. But the majority of users aren't even worried, or even know for that matter, about OS upgrades. There concern is just as long as the device does what they need it to do.
I work in IT in a corporate environment with over 2000+ users. We support Android, Apple, and Blackberry on 3 different providers. The users can choose whatever smartphones are offered by the providers. I can tell you this, absolutely no one comes in asking about OS upgrades. And you won't see any Nexus One's or 3GS's, you'll only see the newer phones, except for few older Blackberry's, but those users don't heavily rely on there smartphone. And the amount of Blackberry users is dwindling anyhow.
And to think that just a little over a year and a half ago, Blackberry's dominated our environment. Now they are at the bottom of the heap and almost extinct, with iPhones ahead of them and Android phones leading the pack. Reply

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How to find good geocaches
How to find GOOD geocaches
Geocachers have a common problem: you don't like all the caches you find. Sometimes you have good days, sometimes you have bad ones. Sometimes you wonder "why did I come here?" and sometimes you wonder "how would I have ever found this cool spot if there wasn't a cache here?". What you may like will likely differ that what other people like.
Changing how you think about Geocaching in general will help you.
And, of course, GeoQO has tools to help you do that. Even in it's infancy it has a slew of tools that are designed to help you be a happier cacher through powerful searching and analysis. This article is generic in general, but has many references to GeoQO features when they might help. If you don't use GeoQO, you can ignore those suggestion points. If you want to try GeoQO, feel free as well. (It's free).
The First Step: Admit you have a problem
There are geocachers that have actually quit participating because they're fed up with "lame micro caches". The first step in preventing your unhappiness is realizing you are or are heading that way. If you realize this, then read on to find out how you can start having fun again or maximizing your fun. It doesn't require that you use GeoQO and this is just a general philosophical rant. But, GeoQO does have tools that may help you.
The Second Step: Find out who you are
You need to decide what type of geocacher you are. Generally, there are 3 types of geocachers (in Yamar's humble opinion):
- Location Location Location: Someone who likes being outdoors, hiking, being in nature.
- Hiking 2+ miles to get to a cache is a very good thing, not a bad thing.
- Adventure is my middle name
- High rollers: Someone who cares about the numbers.
- They like to find as many caches in a day as possible.
- High difficulty ratings, long hikes, etc. are not condusive to this activity.
- Left-brained: Enjoys the creative caches.
- Micros are typically fine, as long as they're amazing camoed
Who are you? Are you all 3? Just 1? A mix? Something else? Deciding what you like most is a very important step in making sure you have the most fun in the future.
It's possible, you rotate. I live for big hikes, but I like days of high number counts sometimes, and I marvel at amazing camos. But what I target next is not always what I did the day before. When I'm tired and brain dead after a long day of meetings, looking for an amazing camo and not finding it leaves me tired and depressed. But if I'm energetic and rarin' to go, doing a string of lamp-post caches leaves me bored.
If I can figure out what mood I'm in before heading out and tailor where I'm going based on that mood, I'll have a much much better day while caching. The trick is, how do you do this when going into an unknown area with unknown cache owners?
The Third Step: Take action
Ok, you've made it through admission and through self-discovery. Now comes the hard part: commit to what you have learned. This is the hardest for some people, now that they have have learned they dislike lamp-post caches (maybe just sometimes) and the numbers counters are freaks of nature. Or the numbers counters think that anyone who walks 3 miles through nature just to get a single cache is the person who should be called the freak. But neither will put caches on their "ignore" list or filter out the caches they upload to their GPS. (Ok, the high-number counters often do).
So, lets assume you want to have the best day of caching you've had in ages. What do you do, where do you start, and how can you achieve happiness with the least misery?
General Guidelines
- Be willing to ignore caches you don't like. (At least for that day.)
- You're more likely to be happy if you hit an area twice, in two different moods than if you try to do everything in one day.
- this may require that you use something like the geocaching.com ignore lists
- You may be helped by the GeoQO Rating and Tagging system.
- If you hate micros with a passion, stop looking at them. Maybe you already have. But if you haven't tried to figure out where to go next based on your desires for what makes up a good cache, now's the time to start.
- Ask for advice. Whether on a local mailing list, regional forums, or at an event... Ask people for their ideas about their favorite caches. But also ask: why did they like it? It may be they like cache types you don't.
Location Location Location
To find the best locations with the most interesting areas to look at, it's best to start by narrowing your search down.
- Look for what others have thought were amazing caches.
- Any
- Consider filtering by terrain, at least to see where higher-terrain caches lie if you like pretty areas.
- (load them all for the area, but filter just to do mapping when looking)
- Perform intelligent searches.
- If you like hiking, see where all the terrain > 2.5 caches lie
- A quick search of caches in my "near me" 500-count pocket query shows me that there are 24 caches that someone has used the word "awesome" in the log. Only 4 of those have the word "view" in a log as well. (to do this run something like: geoqo -s 'set:import:near me&&log:text=awesome&&log:text=view' -l).
- Once you've found a target area to go do, feel free to load all the other caches in the area too... But aim for the end goal and pick up the rest "because they're on the way". I bet you'll have a good day.
- Consider using GeoQO's cache-density plots and generating a density map based on the criteria you want. If you like high terrain hikes and want to do a bunch, generate a cache density plot of only caches with a high terrain rating.
- Consider using GeoQO's rating and tagging system to help you look for caches that other people have found and have tagged with keywords you like, or with high ratings.
High Rollers
If you like counting numbers, go to areas conducive to your goal. Certainly, if you already have a high cache count then you're likely already doing this. But you could do better by a bit more analitical searching. If you combine what you already know how to do with some careful searches, you can pick the "next best area" with a much higher precision (which, if you're really into counting numbers, will give you an advantage).
- Find out where the high density areas are for places you want to go
- Looking at the 'original geocaching.com maps (not the google maps one) will certainly give you a feel for where the caches are placed. But as you zoom out too high, it gets too cluttered to really get a feel.
- Consider using GeoQO's cache-density plots. These plots will give you a much better feel for where caches are.
- Optionally, use the search mechanism to limit the caches included to just ones under a given difficulty level, or "only traditionals", or whatever you wish to filter by. Or make a few and compare them. If the high density area shifts from one area to another when you filter out the difficult caches, you'll know that the original area likely contains cache owners that place harder to find ones (which will lower your "score" for the day).
- A future version of GeoQO will let you multiple the density by, say, a cache difficulty or other number so you can find where the highest density of "easy" caches are, for example.
If you like creative caches then you probably want to select certain caches types to go find.
- Micros are generally easier to craft creatively, so you probably don't mind them. Consider looking at a cache-density plots of just micros? Of just micros with a difficulty rating of at least 3? (then add the rest in when you load them into your GPS, but at least try and find good areas).
- Look for caches with particular key-words in the logs. Out of the 500 near me, only 105 have logs that have the word "clever" in them. It reduces more when you add other keywords like "camo", "awesome", etc. Head for areas that have high numbers of good words in them. (example command: geoqo -s 'set:import:near me&&log:text=clever&&log:text=camo' -l))
- Look for areas with caches placed by people you (or others) have identified as talented. Geoqo can help you with this too, if you don't know the area... Of those 105, there are a few people that have placed the most. A cache density plot with only certain owners in them will give you interesting areas to go to.
geoqo -s 'set:import:near me&&log:text=clever' -d top10:groundspeak_owner_name Top 10 'groundspeak_owner_name's Num % Value ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 6 5 SNSpencer 4 3 Oldhippy & Granny 4 3 47Dad47 4 3 BootyBuddies 4 3 Pirate Princesses ...
Taking Advice From Others
Of course, taking advice from others is very helpful. But only if you take advice from others that have similar tastes in caches. If you like the hard ones, find people that find hard ones (and ignore recommendations from people with 10k+ counts and don't look for longer that 5 minutes per site). If you like fast caches, don't take advice from people that are wearing hiking boots. Their idea of good caches are very different than yours.
(GeoQO will eventually help narrow down results so that tags and ratings are applied with a weight factor based on how similar the other users are compraed to your own ratings; but this isn't implemented yet).
If finding geocaches is no longer entertaining, you must be willing to either stop finding them altogether (insert big purple smiley here) or be willing to change your approach.
Either way, it is also imperative to realize that different people like different things. Accept that and simple don't look for caches that don't meet your standards and pretend they don't exist. Let them have their fun (and they'll hate the caches you place too; but that's ok!)
Other things GeoQO can help you with
GeoQO's tagging and rating system is designed to allow similiar minded folk to link up so you can trust just the tags and ratings of those you trust. Or the system thinks are similar to your own. It's not entirely complete yet but starting to tag and rate caches today will help it progress.
It even has the ability now to predict tags on caches you haven't found based on caches that you have found and tagged, but for it to be accurate you need to tag at least somewhere above 200 caches. (the more you tag, the more accurate the artificial intelligence gets).
Example decision input
Log Keyword Density Plots
The following two images show the default density plot in the Sacramento, CA area and a second that shows what happens when you limit the caches included to only those that include complimentary words (see Complex Searches Using the GUI if you are using the GUI interface to create plots):
- awesome.jpg generated with: geoqo --debug 5 -s '(mem:sacsquare)&&(log:text=awesome||log:text=fantastic||log:text=terrific||log:text=very fun||log:text=cool)' -e kml:size=300:awesome.kml
- generic.jpg generated with: geoqo --debug 5 -s '(mem:sacsquare)' -e kml:size=300:general.kml
|Includes everything
|Only those with complimentary terms
If you compare them closely, you'll find the most dense area of "good" caches (purple) has moved. The ones downtown contain more "good" ones than the ones to the east.
By Size Density Plots
The following files how the distribution of caches moves as the cache size gets larger and larger (downtown area is full of micros, where it is harder to hide large caches; toward the east is all hills and non-populated areas where larger ones fit naturally)
|Above: Micros
|Above: Small
|Above: Regular
|Above: Large
These were created using 4 calls to geoqo to generate 4 Google Earth kml files:
geoqo -s (mem:sacsquare)&&cache:container=Micro -e kml:size=300:Micro.kml geoqo -s (mem:sacsquare)&&cache:container=Regular -e kml:size=300:Regular.kml geoqo -s (mem:sacsquare)&&cache:container=Small -e kml:size=300:Small.kml geoqo -s (mem:sacsquare)&&cache:container=Large -e kml:size=300:Large.kml
The mem:sacsquare is defined in my $HOME/.geoqo/mem/search/sacsquare file as:
cache:lat>38.417&&cache:lat<38.75 &&cache:lon<-121&&cache:lon>-121.617
Graphical User Interface (GUI)
- Getting Started:
- Preparing to go geocaching:
- Returning Home:
- Marking Caches as Found
- Rating and Tagging your found caches
- Advanced Graphical User Interface (GUI) Topics
Command Line Tutorial
- Importing your waypoints
- Searching through you waypoints
- Displaying your waypoints
- Exporting your waypoints
Advanced Topics
Advanced GeoQO Features
- Advanced ways of Generating Cache Density Plots
- How to find good geocaches
Writing code for GeoQO
- Writing Scripts
- Writing Plugins
- Breakdown of the KML Plugin (one of the most advanced export plugins)
Tips and Tricks
- Saved Specifications: Using saved specification strings
- Differences since last import: find all the differences in a pocket-query (or whatever) since your last import
- Multiple Top10 Analysis: analyze your search results for breakdown in information
- Scripting Examples for Mulitple Top10 Outputs
- Using SQLite to do your own analysis


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Contrary to conventional wisdom, higher resolution actually compensates for noiseSunday November 16 2008 Sensor Insight
This Insight uses specific DSLRs to demonstrate the technique for objectively comparing noise for cameras with different levels of resolution. Such comparisons conclusively show better results overall for high-resolution sensors, despite the increase in noise.
You like the look and feel of your old camera, but you want to upgrade it to a higher resolution. If you keep the same optics, the same sensor size (and therefore the same field of view), what will be the result? Basically, the same amount of light captured by the optics will be shared by more pixels, and since each individual pixel will receive less light, the signal-to-noise ratio (SNR) will be lower. In short, you will end up taking photos with more noise.
Two questions naturally arise:
- How can the noise from two cameras with different levels of resolution be fairly compared?
- Which is better, a low-resolution camera with less noise, or a high-resolution camera with more noise?
Consider, for example, the Canon EOS 350D, a model released in February 2005 and a very good camera for expert amateurs, and the Canon EOS 1Ds Mark III, a more recent (August 2007) professional DSLR camera, with a 21Mpix sensor. Both sensors have the same pixel pitch (6.4µm), and measurements of SNR on the RAW images under equivalent shooting conditions give similar results: 35.25dB for the 350D, 35.05dB for the 1Ds Mark III.
Of course, at the same focal length the 1Ds Mark III can see either smaller details or have a wider field of view (the sensor is full frame 36x24mm, while the EOS 350D is 22.2x14.8mm). Moreover, the measurement above corresponds to 1:1 viewing conditions on a screen. Except for image retouching or examining details, this is probably not the most useful way to view the image. A fit-to-screen viewing or a print on a given-size paper format is a more likely use case.
Suppose now that the images have exactly the same field of view (by changing the lens focal length) and are printed on 30x20cm paper with the same 300dpi printer. Because of the very high resolution of the 1Ds Mark III, the printer will downsample the image and decrease the noise, giving a clear advantage of about 3dB to the 1Ds Mark III.
Further readings for the Contrary to conventional wisdom, higher resolution actually compensates for noise
To provide photographers with a broader perspective about mobiles, lenses and cameras, here are links to articles, reviews, and analyses of photographic equipment produced by DxOMark, renown websites, magazines or blogs.
The new "advanced compact" category that adds DSLR features (such as RAW output, manual operation, and interchangeable lenses) to classy, compact-style cameras, continues to be populated with new models—e.g., Canon Powershot G11 and S90, Olympus EP1 and EP2, Panasonic GF1, Leica X1, etc.
On DxOMark, we evaluate and rank many types of digital cameras with image sensors that vary widely in pixel count, pixel size, and digital signal processing. To ensure that sensor performance comparisons between cameras are fair, it is very important both to test under identical shooting conditions and to take viewing conditions into account.


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ASRock X79 Extreme4-M and X79 Extreme4 Review – Sandy Bridge-E meets mATXby Ian Cutress on 12/9/2011 12:00 PM EST
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DigitalFreak - Friday, December 09, 2011 - linkI wish PCI connectors on motherboards would die already, especially on the high end. Reply
futurepastnow - Friday, December 09, 2011 - linkI agree with you, but I'm sure the three people who still use sound cards will be here shortly to tell you you're wrong. Reply
geniekid - Friday, December 09, 2011 - linkI would be one of those people. If you're into amateur music production, you're probably going to need a sound card for various inputs/outputs, and a lot of the cheaper options there are going to be PCI.
Also, my month-old built HTPC uses the PCI for a wireless network adapter. Reply
cjs150 - Friday, December 09, 2011 - linkI rumaged around the various PCs I have and the best I come up with is a 6 year old RAID card (still a good one) and a 2 year old TV card
So time for PCI to die
Can I have a right angled 24 ATX socket as well Reply
somedude1234 - Friday, December 09, 2011 - linkIf you're purchasing a new motherboard and CPU, each of which is north of $200, does the additional cost burden of a PCIe sound card or WLAN card really make that big of a difference?
I understand that every dollar saved somewhere can be used (more memory, bigger SSD, etc.), but PCIe sound cards and WLAN cards aren't exactly bank-breakers.
I don't do any serious audio work, so are there any technical reasons (latency or otherwise) that make legacy PCI cards better than their PCIe counterparts? Reply
Spivonious - Friday, December 09, 2011 - linkNo technical reasons, but many audio production cards (i.e. not the latest Soundblaster) are still only available in a PCI format. Reply
Flunk - Friday, December 09, 2011 - linkThe latest soundblaster IS actually available in PCI-E. If the PCI slots went away everything would be available in PCI-E. There really is no reason anymore. Reply
Gnarr - Friday, December 09, 2011 - linkno-one who's serious about music production uses a soundblaster.. Reply
g00ey - Saturday, December 10, 2011 - linkThat is not true at all, most serious brands of professional audio hardware Reply
g00ey - Saturday, December 10, 2011 - linkThat is not true at all, most serious brands of professional audio hardware such as RME, UAD, Apogee, or even AVID/Digidesign dominate their product lines with PCIe based expansion cards and not PCI.
Also, there is a considerable variety of PCIe to PCI adapters and bridgeboards out there that makes it even less justifiable to put PCI slots on a modern motherboard. Reply
LauRoman - Friday, December 09, 2011 - linkConsidering that inserting a pcie expansion card in a x16 (x8) slot could, on old chipsets/moterboards screw around with your 2/3/4 way sli/x-fire bandwith let's not kill it just yet. Reply
ckryan - Friday, December 09, 2011 - link
Intel chipsets don't have native PCI support anymore. You have to use a PCIe to PCI PLX chip on the motherboard to get the support. That means you're giving up PCIe bandwidth (probably not a big deal), but also PCI support is spotty. I have one SB board (an Intel DP67BG) that doesn't really work with any PCI soundcard (they've not been able to fix this with UEFI updates).
But at some point you just have to decide that you're going to not use PCI anymore, and people who refuse to replace their old busted sound card or bunk networking device are holding us all back. PCI is terrible, and I'd much have a PCIe x1 slot or no slot at all.
Wireless adapters are just as cheap in PCIe x1 as PCI, and gigabit ethernet is hamstrung by PCI as it's just not very fast. Soundcards are available from Asus and Creative in PCIe for cheap. I've got a Asus Essence STX PCIe which was more expensive, but why the hell would you buy the PCI version (which was more expensive) in 2011? Reply
sylar365 - Friday, December 09, 2011 - linkMy "old, busted" soundcard.
Got something that sounds better without bloatware available in PCIe? Besides, most audio chips currently being produced and placed on PCIe sound cards still require a PLX chip in order to convert from the PCI standard to use the PCIe form factor.
IMHO i wish they would kill PCI - AND THEN - make decent sound hardware available for PCIe slots. Admittedly there have been a couple of products in the past couple of months starting to emerge, but FFS it is time to go mainstream with some high quality PCIe sound hardware already! Reply
JonnyDough - Friday, December 09, 2011 - linkAgreed. I have a Creative X-Fi myself, wish I'd gotten the HT Omega instead but it either wasn't out yet or I wasn't that informed on sound cards at the time. PCI slots are still very much needed. I have network cards both GB ethernet and wireless that utilize the old PCI slot too. Reply
yk - Friday, December 09, 2011 - linkWhat about HT | OMEGA eClaro 7.1 Channels 24-bit 192KHz PCI Express x1 Interface Sound Card? Reply
Siorus - Monday, December 12, 2011 - linkUseless. Only one socketed opamp and the surround channels look to be handled by JRC garbage (at least it's a step up from the tin-can-telephone-on-a-chip stuff that Creative dumps on people). I think one of the Asus Xonar PCI-E cards has swappable opamps for every channel but I'm not positive.
Either way, until I can get that on a PCI-E card, I'll need to keep my PCI stuff. Reply
twoBitBasher - Friday, December 09, 2011 - linkFor now I'm still happy that Asrock is sticking with the PCI and the best part is that you can populate the whole board with dual slot graphics and still use the PCI! Most boards have already dumped PCI or implemented it so that if you go SLI or Xfire you are out of luck.
Try to find decent cards with balanced 1/4" jack outputs and not go external! Reply
Shadowmaster625 - Friday, December 09, 2011 - linkPCI is what makes a PC. There are hundreds of thousands of different PCI products, and most of them have no reason or need to be migrated to a different form factor. Reply
Chubblez - Friday, December 09, 2011 - linkThe same thing has been said about ISA, EISA, and VLB. Where are they now? Reply
JonnyDough - Friday, December 09, 2011 - linkThey are more dated. PCI came after, and is a variant of ISA. Things are shifting, but many would argue that the slot is still needed. Besides, its cheap as hell to add one. If anything needs to die its PS2. Reply
DanNeely - Friday, December 09, 2011 - linkA lot more of them do have reasons to be migrated than you'd think. Even 5 years ago I started seeing L shaped cards at the low end ( a tiny strip of PCB along the bracked, and a second for the PCI plug); chopping the 2nd half of the L cuts manufacturing costs by an amount that more than pays for the engineering over larger production runs.
Devices that need larger PCBs but which have minimal bandwidth needs are an ever shrinking segment of the market. Even when total bandwidth isn't an issue the fact that PCIe bandwidth is dedicated instead of being shared means you no longer need to put as much hardware into buffering to avoid latency bursts when something else is using the bus more heavily.
Finally, once legacy PCI starts disappearing on a non-trivial fraction of boards total collapse from mainstream devices is inevitable. Once supporting PCIe becomes mandatory it's only a matter of time until redesigning the core chip on the card to be native PCIe instead of PCI and using a PCI-PCIe bridge chip becomes the cheaper option (probably with the next scheduled redesign). While they might initially maintain back compatability with a bridge chip going the other direction; however being doublely niche parts AGP gfx cards from 3 or 4 generations ago is probably a good comparison example. nVidia didn't make any at all, and the handful of ATI 3xxx/4xxx cards went at significant price premiums.
Eventually it'll end up like ISA; if you're willing to pay a large enough price premium (eg because the industrial/lab equiptment you're controlling costs thousands or millions of dollars to replace) there will be a handful of companies willing to sell you semi-custom boards at a large price premium and technology lag. The last time I looked I couldn't find ISA on anything newer than LGA775, until after intel finally pulls the plug on the last 775. That probably won't be for a while; if you look at their CPU database intel hasn't discontinued its embedded p4's yet, and probably won't file a while. IIRC they typically have contractual agreements to keep embedded parts in stock for a decade. Reply
darckhart - Friday, December 09, 2011 - linknope. still useful for pci graphics cards for troubleshooting video probs. Reply
Blibbax - Friday, December 09, 2011 - linkThe differences in load power consumption might just demonstrate the margin of error on that test. Worth keeping in mind for other comparisons.
The other possibilities are that the 5850s use a lot more power when they're a little bit hotter, and that the power circuitry on the M-ATX board is just awful under high load. Reply
Concillian - Friday, December 09, 2011 - linkI was reading through the article and thought I had hit back instead of forward since I had read the page I was reading before.
After finding all my marbles, I noticed that the article has two sets of Page 2 & 3. page order is 1, 2, 3, 2, 3, 4, 5... Reply
hal74 - Friday, December 09, 2011 - linkI am always disappointed to find an article written by Ian. I know that I'll get an article written by someone who fails at plural vs singular when talking about a company and who doesn't come up with interesting comparison charts. Ian chose to throw in an E350 into the mix and didn't even add any comparisons with an x58, or any other core i7. Also, whats with fascination with older video cards in SLI?
Is this seriously what people want in an article from Anandtech? Reply
Spivonious - Friday, December 09, 2011 - linkUsually, I'll let grammar mistakes slide, but when I find multiple mistakes on a single page it really starts distracting me from the material.
Can we get editors for the articles written by non-native English speakers? Reply
Spivonious - Friday, December 09, 2011 - linkAnd "tenacity" is used incorrectly.
"...given ASRock's previous tenacity when it comes to box bundling."
Does this make sense?
"...given ASRock's previous stubbornness when it comes to box bundling." Reply
JonnyDough - Friday, December 09, 2011 - linkYes. It does. Maybe your reading comprehension is lacking. The sentence means that ASRock will not budge when it comes to box bundling.
Can we get some editors for the comments written by non-literate English readers? Reply
Spivonious - Friday, December 09, 2011 - link"3.2 GiB limit of 32-bit"
*scratches head*
I thought 2^32-1 was 4GiB... Reply
Aisalem - Friday, December 09, 2011 - linkusing 32-bit you are able to address 4GB but unfortunately you will not be able to use whole 4GB in most of the 32-bit Windows installations, that also depend on the additional hardware you have.
Now you shouldn't *scratches head*. Reply
prophet001 - Friday, December 09, 2011 - linkb/c this is perfect grammar
"Also, whats with fascination with older video " Reply
mischlep - Friday, December 09, 2011 - linkMinor typo on recommendations page:
(e.g. currently $219 at time of writing, saving £6) Should be "saving $6". Reply
zanon - Friday, December 09, 2011 - linkInteresting review overall. A few comments:
Page 6:
You still refer to setup stuff as "BIOS" even though it's clearly (I hope?) UEFI nowadays. Any particular reason for this? Or is it actually still BIOS for real despite clearly saying UEFI on that screen. It's confusing that you use both if you only mean one.
Also on page 6: "With the XFast RAM software, users can shift certain parts of the OS to the RAMdisk, such as the memory pagefile"
What. The entire *point* of a pagefile is that all your physical memory is used up and you're now hitting secondary storage. Reducing your main memory in order to make a RAMdisk that you then...use for memory? Nope nope nope. Reply
Spivonious - Friday, December 09, 2011 - linkYeah, I don't understand why you'd want the pagefile in RAM instead of just using the RAM. Reply
JonnyDough - Friday, December 09, 2011 - linkWhat he said. Some programs require a pagefile. Allocated memory and a pagefile are not the same. Reply
JonnyDough - Friday, December 09, 2011 - linkAlso, a pagefile can be dumped/saved on shut down. RAM is cleared. Reply
Aisalem - Friday, December 09, 2011 - linkSome of the software will not work properly or will simply crash in some situation if you will have no pagefile enabled. That's why having RAMdisk is very good idea as even if you will have 32GB RAM you still need at least 300MB pagefile on the system to be sure that all software will run proper. Using XFast RAM you simply "cheating" system by creating special partition with only pagefile on it making sure that system is running stable. Reply
zanon - Friday, December 09, 2011 - linkUm, no. Windows doesn't have that crappy a VM system, nor does any other modern OS. While some applications may check for the presence of a pagefile if the authors that wrote them were brain dead morons (you should search for other applications in that case), the OS isn't going to start paging anything out of main memory while there is still free or inactive memory available. It'll only start hitting the VM when main memory is consumed. Leave it to the OS. If you want things to go faster once you exceed your maximum physical main memory, get an SSD. Get an SSD anyway, actually. Reply
Wardrop - Friday, December 09, 2011 - linkActually, at work I regularly used up all 8GB of my RAM while running VM's and multi-tasking. When that happened, some programs would spontaneously crash and disappear. Re-enabling the page file (only a small 512MB page file) fixed the problem. This was on Windows 7 x64 by the way. I use to always turn off my page file, but now I always keep a small page file enabled for that reason. Reply
JonnyDough - Friday, December 09, 2011 - linkYou and Spivonious are so obviously not researched on the matter of using a ramdisk. I suggest you study up before posting, you look like a fool. Reply
unixfg - Sunday, December 11, 2011 - linkMaybe you could explain why you think they're wrong rather than just calling them names. They seem to be pretty much right-on regarding the point of having swap/pagefile on disk. Reply
twoBitBasher - Friday, December 09, 2011 - linkYou guys surely must have got more modern drives lying around, especially when Anand is constantly reviewing the bleeding edge!
I would have liked to see what this board can do. It is for enthusiasts after all, isn't it? Reply
DanNeely - Friday, December 09, 2011 - linkBenchmark platforms can't change rapidly. When they do you can no longer compare new scores to old. As a result the parts not being compared typically don't get swapped out until obsolete. Reply
Thrawn7 - Saturday, December 10, 2011 - linkI don't consider the thermal throttle to be a bad thing at all. Throttling at 80c+ temperatures is good behaviour. Its a better guarantee for stability when you either have a cooling failure or are too lazy to have good cooling in the first place.
Clearly these Sandy-E is the hottest overclocking chips ever from Intel.
Basically, to overclock to the typical 4.7 Ghz range the Intel liquid cooling solution is insufficient. Not that surprising given the performance of that is probably about the same as a mid-range $40 120mm heatsink soluiton.
To do a decent overclock you'll need a H100 or Noctua D14 at fairly high rpms or better still a real watercool loop. Reply
etamin - Saturday, December 10, 2011 - linkI was very impressed with the new ASRock color scheme and heatsink design....until the gratuitous use of "X" labeling distracted me. What a shame. (no need to read review now, it's too ugly to consider buying) Reply
karma77police - Saturday, December 10, 2011 - linkASRock released BIOS update few days ago for Extreme4 version 1.60 and for Extreme4M version 1.50, which let's you overclock CPU 4.6Ghz for example with very low voltage. They updated C-2 Microcode etc. I am running i7 i3930k on ASRock Extreme 4 with < 1.36V. Temperature does not exceed 60C in Load. I always say reviews are so misleading when it comes to decide what purchase to make. Reply
karma77police - Saturday, December 10, 2011 - link4.5Ghz with < 1.36V Reply
EJ257 - Saturday, December 10, 2011 - linkThe chart say 6xDDR3 slots. Is that a typo or is that actually how it's setup? Reply
etamin - Sunday, December 11, 2011 - linkYeah, that's strange for X79. But it is 6. There is also a photo of it on the ASRock site. Reply
Ryomitomo - Monday, December 12, 2011 - linkAsus also released USB Boost, which is similar to Asrock USB XFast. I'd like to see USB Boost vs USB XFast in future reviews. Reply
Tom Womack - Monday, December 12, 2011 - linkI'm a computational mathematician; SNB-E is interesting because it's a fast processor with four fast memory controllers. I have no desire whatsoever for crossfire; I'd be happy with an on-board ATI Rage128 and no PCIe slots, if that made the board a hundred dollars cheaper. I don't really need SATA controllers; USB stick with the OS on and data on NFS is fine by me. But I would quite like eight DIMM slots because I use memory as if it's going out of fashion.
Is there a product for this market? Reply
opti2k4 - Monday, December 12, 2011 - linkI have Asrock p67 extreme4 and i am curious did you test manual voltage settings of CPU vCore ?
Few different boards and different chipsets have same bug. When you put manual vcore value in bios, you turn off computer and power it on, vcore is not the set vaule, instead it's on value that would be when you put automatic settings.
So my i7 2600k has 1.165V set in bios, when i power on computer its is on 1.3V!!!! Then i have to go inside BIOS, pick any other different value (1.160V), save and exit and just then the correct voltage value is set on vcore. Then again i have to restart and put back 1.165V. This fault is generated by very bad bios coding of asrock engineers. I'll never go to cheaper solution again, Asus FTW!
opti2k4 Reply
kwokfc - Monday, December 26, 2011 - link1.368v load @ 4.8Ghz HT on. Bios 1.6 Aircool with NH-D14. So far so good Reply
NPWW - Friday, October 09, 2015 - linkCan someone help me. If I want to run a simple test off this motherboard using only bare minimum hardware, What do I need? Hard drive, power supply, memory, fan and ect Reply


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If New Mexico suffered a zombie outbreak, one has to wonder: Would Santa Feans even notice the difference between a group of ghouls and a family of pale German tourists?
Certainly the undead would be hard to ignore if local government failed to respond. According to a team of Los Alamos National Laboratory scientists, a zombie epidemic would overwhelm the city in half a day. Assuming bite-to-zombification takes 45 minutes—the same as snake venom completing a lap through a human circulatory system—a single infection could spread to 45,000 people and leave another 13,000 irrevocably dead within 12 bloody hours.
Three months ago, SFR set out to determine whether Santa Fe could prevent a zombie infection from expanding into a full-blown global zombie apocalypse. We began with a few assumptions: Zombies travel at approximately 1 mph; it takes, on average, three zombies to devour a single healthy human; 20 percent of Santa Fe's population are capable of fighting off zombies (an estimate based on the number of veterans, rounded up to include law enforcement officers, martial arts students, etc.).
In addition to enlisting professional epidemiologists, SFR interviewed many emergency response officials—all surprisingly enthusiastic about our fantastic hypotheticals. The research also included the possibility of quarantine and mass evacuation—yet, in every scenario, the continent was doomed (which is why 28 Days Later Director Danny Boyle has a secure career of sequels ahead of him).
(The map of the event's spread through Santa Fe is available for download as a large .pdf: Zombie Outbreak!)
So, SFR embellished the story for the sake of the plot. Nevertheless, every character in this work of fiction, with the exception of a few anonymous zombies and peace officers, is a real person (or in one case, a real Japanese rooster) who was asked to react to a variety of zombie situations. The procedural and personal details of the story have been fact-checked for plausibility and then coaxed with often-liberal employment of poetic license. In the end, this is a work of Halloween fiction, brought to life (no pun intended) by the contributions of more than two dozen Santa Feans, each with a role to play in saving the city—if not the world:
Oct. 30, 2008
Time: 6:17 am
Location: Española Allsups
A deep, tormented guttural groan erupts in the darkness.
Ed Vasquez' eyes snap open and he's back at the gas pump. The raspy wail continues until Valdez turns around and reaches into the bed of his 1967 GMC pick-up and taps the pet carrier. Inside, his Shamo rooster, a 3-foot-tall prize-winner from Japanese fighting-cock stock, shuts its beak and goes back to twitching its head and kicking up wads of straw.
"That's right, save it for the judges," Vasquez says, as the pump clicks to a stop. Another groan breaks through the air, but this times it's Vasquez' own reaction to the $66 bill he just charged to his credit card.
He's back on his way to the Chama Poultry Show for not more than 10 seconds before he's stopping again. A pale figure in a security watchman's uniform limps across the road, clutching at a leg wound the size of a tiger bite.
"Hey, mister! You want me to call an ambulance?" Vasquez shouts, hanging over the peeling orange panel of the driver's side door. No answer. Vasquez dials 911 on his cell phone. The switchboard is busy.
It takes all 225 pounds, 5 feet 9 inches of Vasquez to lift the man in a bear hug; there's no way to fit the man into the shotgun seat of his truck because his legs just won't bend. Instead, Vasquez tips the body over, delicately, into the bed of his truck next to the rooster's carrier.
"Hang on, guy," Vasquez says. "We'll get you to the Los Alamos hospital."
At the mention of "Los Alamos," the man springs to life, his lips recoiling in a grimace of terror that reveals a tongue swollen fat like a lump of bread dough. The security guard waves his arms so frantically Vasquez jumps back a step. The guard crooks a finger in the direction of Santa Fe.
Goodbye, Chama Poultry Show, Vasquez laments silently as he lays on the gas. St. Vincent, here we come.


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BlackBerry 10 Announcement: Live Blogby Anand Lal Shimpi on 1/30/2013 9:19 AM EST
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jjj - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - linkThey do have a live stream for the event http://tremolo.edgesuite.net/blackberry_experience... Reply
chuckit82 - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - linkThis will be like trying to go from an F to an A - let's hope they do this.
/BES Admin Reply
menting - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - linkI hope they succeed. More competition means lower prices and better features for everyone Reply
blanarahul - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - linkI hope they succeed. They are using last year's hardware. I hope the software is good enough to convince people. Reply
karasaj - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - linkLast year's hardware?
Snapdragon S4 Plus is not last year's hardware...
Screen size doesn't matter; it's good for businesses. I like what I see. Blackberry (and Microsoft) have the OS and the hardware needed to be relevant (if not monstruous) competitors. All they need are customers. Reply
mayankleoboy1 - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - linkThen i took an Android phone... Reply
nathanddrews - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - linkNothing is more embarrassing than rap at a conference, especially a room full of suits... I doubt that even rappers rap at rap conferences. It's even more embarrassing than Ballmer sweating all over the products. Reply
dmk2000 - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - link100% agree.
Are they trying to sell BB10 to gangsters ? Reply
nathanddrews - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - linkYoung people are only interested in rap/R&B/hiphop, OBVIOUSLY.
Nah, I mean, I get it... I just think it's really stupid. Reply
nikon133 - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - linkWell, gangsters do need secured communication... Reply
dmk2000 - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - linkLooking at the presentation, one question: What BB10 can do that Android, IOS and windows cannot? Reply
Stuka87 - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - linkThe only real "new" feature that I can think of is the screen sharing. But I am not sure how useful that would be in a real world situation. Reply
nathanddrews - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - linkNow that's cool. Can you connect BB10 to a projector and do presentations directly or remotely (through another BB10)? I can see that being useful. Reply
XJDHDR - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - linkThe phones have a micro-HDMI port so you can use that. Reply
nathanddrews - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - linkWhile I would probably never do it, the fact that I could stream my presentation as well as video and audio of myself to a meeting room and have someone else with a BB plug into a projector... remote meetings just got a lot more mobile. Of course, this would really be awesome if there was a desktop app to support the communication protocol - most meeting rooms have a computer connected... not BB10s. Reply
IHateMyJob2004 - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - linkThat is what Blackberry Bridge is all about. Use a Playbook (assume a second Z10 could be used) to host a powerpoint presentation (yes i said powerpoint) and use your phone to remotely control the slides progression. Reply
IHateMyJob2004 - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - linkOh, to add to this, this is not a new feature, it has been around for years. BB OS7 with Playbook could do this. Reply
DukeN - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - linkHopefully they can bring this to BB.
This is a make or break app.. Reply
crimson117 - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - link> Intel has will.i.am, RIM has Alicia Keys, who's going to scoop up 50 Cent?
Vitamin Water ;) Reply
mayankleoboy1 - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - linkmaybe they need a bigger name. Maybe Eminem ? Reply
DukeN - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - linkCan't wait for Nokia to hire Carrot Top... Reply
Pirks - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - link"The next era will be mobile/desktop convergence and no one has demonstrated obvious leadership towards that end yet"
Anand, have you ever heard about something called Windows 8?
Anything else out there that even remotely as close to one OS that's both desktop and mobile ready as Windows 8? Reply
kmmatney - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - linkDepends if you consider the surface as "mobile". I think Anand was taking about phones -> Windows Phone 8 is not the same as Windows 8 Reply
Pirks - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - linkEverybody considers iPad a mobile device, so yes, Surface is mobile and Windows 8 on ARM is mobile too. Which makes MS undisputed leader in converging desktop and mobile worlds, no matter what Anand said here. No one else has anything close to this dual-personality OS.
If Anand thinks that iPad is not mobile, he's clearly wrong. Reply
Death666Angel - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - linkI don't. :D
In my mind, tablets and laptops are mobile computers while smartphones are mobile devices. Unless I can easily carry it in any of my trousers/shorts/jeans, it's not a mobile device. Reply
CeriseCogburn - Friday, February 01, 2013 - linkPhablet, fabulous. Reply
tilandal - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - linkMS has Windows 8, Windows RT and Windows Phone 8 none of which are compatible with each other. That is hardly what I would consider 'convergence.' MS is clearly trying but I would hardly put them ahead of Apple or Google when it comes to a seamless desktop to mobile transition. Google may actually be closest with their tight integration of services but its still clearly not what Anand is talking about. Reply
Pirks - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - linkWindows 8 and Windows RT are not compatible with each other? How about you Metro app that's easily compiled to both of these and works out of the box on both? How about portable .Net assemblies in VS 2012 that are compiled for ALL THREE OF THESE OSes? If you don't know about this stuff doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Just means you have to learn the basics. And if you think Google has anything like Windows on dekstgop market, you need your head checked. Reply
smartthanyou - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - linkLooks like some nice IP that some company will get when they liquidate their assets in the next year or so. Reply
Ananke - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - linkReminiscence of Palm Pad, later HP Pad, later oblivion...
This is exactly the feeling I got from RIM's presentation.
My friends developers have been approached months ago by BB teams, in order to develop apps for BB...of course, the developers are not interested - they have only the resources to cover iOS and Android.
Even Windows 8 phone is not getting yet much traction in the developers community.
That's the sad truth...RIP RIM, I would say. Reply
creed3020 - Thursday, January 31, 2013 - linkDuring yesterday's launch event I had multiple live blogs up and the live video stream from the event. The amount of detail and number of photos post here at AT was perhaps 10% of the detail that was actually being demonstrated and reported by other fine tech sites who were covering this event.
If this would have been an Apple launch event the enthusiasm in the reporting/writing would have been far different. I definitely feel like AT has let it's readers down, and the bias towards certain companies is becoming more and more evident everyday. It just leaves a sour taste in the month that's all.
I was lucky enough to get to use a Z10 yesterday within minutes of the event ending and was comparing it to my archaic BB Bold 9700. It was a world of difference and breath of fresh of air between the new and old. It was so light, rigid, but felt soft to touch and fast, fast, fast UI. The transitions between Hub and applications are so fluid without any lag. Reply
Pastuch - Thursday, January 31, 2013 - linkI have to say that I agree wholeheartedly with this post.
Where are the Z10 & Q10 tear downs? Where are the detailed reviews?
You do realize that no rational federal government or fortune 500 company uses iphones and androids for work right? When security is paramount there really is only one option on the market right now.
I say this as a professional in mobile platform development. Sure I use an SGS3 for my personal device but BB is the only device that passes the security requirements of the modern world.
Why is Anandtech largely ignoring this massive business segment? You review business machines, servers, etc. Time to review business phones! Reply
DukeN - Thursday, January 31, 2013 - linkYes, but that would require permission from this Effigy of Father Jobs (iJobs 4.0) that controls Anandtech operations.
Bold prediction: Z10 and Q10 get the same number of reviews as the 9900/OS7 did - NONE. Reply
Galcobar - Saturday, February 09, 2013 - link"11:23AM EST - The announcement is coming to a close, thank you all for following, we'll have more on the announced devices later today"
And a week later those promised reviews of the handsets are where? Reply
Bob Todd - Friday, February 01, 2013 - linkUnfortunately for RIM, sorry BlackBerry, the real world doesn't reconcile with the fantasy you live in. iOS has solid penetration into Fortune 500 companies, both for iPhones and iPads. The ones who have extremely strict security requirements are using services/apps from Good and others. The bottom line is that almost none of the users CHOOSE a BlackBerry when given the option. And even in Fortune 500 there's often a choice between an iPhone 5 or something like a Bold 9900/9930/9650. Go talk to the mobile telecom departments in those companies and ask how many users opt for the BlackBerry. Your massive business segment has been leaving RIM in droves for years while they've continued to be one of the most ineptly run tech companies in existence. It took them over HALF A DECADE to come up with an answer for the iPhone. That's completely ridiculous especially considering they were sitting atop the smartphone throne at the time. How long did it take Palm to come up with a competitive platform? Wasn't it around 2 years? And that was on a shoestring budget. Microsoft built a ground up rewrite with Windows Phone 7 in about the same timeframe after they abandoned the planned mild 'touchification' of WM 6. I'm not saying BlackBerry will be dead in a few years, but I'm also not optimistic that this happened soon enough to win back the mind share they need to compete. It's much easier to see a mobile landscape dominated by Android and iOS, with Windows Phone/Windows RT/Windows 8 filling in any enterprise gap that's left. Reply
edlee - Thursday, January 31, 2013 - linkNot trying to troll, but this would have been great 2 years ago. it is a little too late to get people to switch when they are already entrenched in other platforms. For example, I will not repurchase apps that I already bought for myself on android, and for my wife on iOS.
Why was RIM soo stubborn, they could have gotten the same look and function by skinning android and adding a hardware encryption and it would have been released 2 years ago. it boggles my mind how long it took to get this out. And then have the audacity to ask all the android devs to just do a straight port of their apps. If you wanted android apps. Reply
sking.tech - Thursday, January 31, 2013 - linkYou're old! you're behind, your BROKE, you should be an app on my droid... not a competitor. Reply
XonicEQ - Friday, February 01, 2013 - linkis my company provides it. otherwise I wouldn't go within 10 ft of a blackberry phone... so buggy and sluggish it's frustrating Reply
LokiThieve - Tuesday, March 12, 2013 - linkSo still no update? Still no review of the hardware? Reply