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Hey all -- long time reader, first time poster.
I've been doing ceramics for about 5 years, mostly ^10 reduction but with a smattering of ^5-6 Ox experience.
But I'd really like to try a small pit fire on my own.
I'm located in the San Francisco area, and am having a heck of a time finding anyplace where I can do a small pit for a few pieces (maybe a hole 3' x 3'). Obviously cities are difficult, but it turns out a lot of public beaches have regulations against fires too (understandable).
If anyone in the Bay Area (or anywhere, for that matter) has ideas on where I could get started with this, I'd appreciate the input.
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This quilt has been in the works for a L O N G time. One of those quilts that I wanted to work on (because I was making it purely for me), but always got pushed to the bottom of the priority list. I cut out all the fabrics last fall and played with the layout for these half-square triangle blocks, but that's as far as I got. The blocks resurfaced this summer and I started sewing them into rows, but it kept getting pushed to the bottom of the to-do list. Then in a one-night sewing binge at the Sewing Summit, I cranked this baby out – well, the rows anyway. Then some time to add some borders, get it quilted and she's finally done!
Why do I bore you with all those details? Well, mainly because I do not want anyone under the misconception that I sit and whip out a quit in a weekend or two. The majority of the quilts that I make are L O N G, drawn-out works in progress. Just because they magically appear finished for a blog post doesn't mean they are whipped up over night.
This quilt was all about playing with fabric and color. It started out with a couple of Freebird charm packs. (One of my all time favorite fabric collections. I used it in the big circles quilt too.) I didn't have enough for a whole quilt, but the colors and prints played together so nicely with the abundance of American Jane fabrics in my stash as well as a few random Denyse Schmidt, Amy Butler, etc. prints. Also I have a thing for color spectrums. (I think it comes from visiting Purl Soho – the whole store is so pretty with everything organized by colors.) I tried a layout mixing the colors but everything looked muddy – putting the colors together made them sing. (Not literally, but you know what I mean.) I love it.
What I'm not sure about is the triangles 'bleeding' into the borders. It was nice in theory, but the jury is still out about the final result.


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Introducing Our 2012 Case Testbeds and Revised Methodologyby Dustin Sklavos on 3/29/2012 3:00 PM EST
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Coup27 - Thursday, March 29, 2012 - linkclicking "testing hardware (mini-itx) revised" takes you to the home page. Reply
JarredWalton - Thursday, March 29, 2012 - linkIt works for me. Can you refresh, clear cache, and/or try a different browser? If you're still having problems, please post details. Reply
Coup27 - Thursday, March 29, 2012 - linkIt happened earlier and seconds after the article disappeared and was scrubbed from the home page as well. It's back now so not really sure what was going on. Links are working now tho. Reply
holotech - Thursday, March 29, 2012 - linkdoes the same for me.
firefox, updated fully. Reply
holotech - Thursday, March 29, 2012 - linki lied, sorry, its working fine now. Reply
Coup27 - Thursday, March 29, 2012 - linkI have a feeling the article was pulled and then reposted? Reply
Impulses - Thursday, March 29, 2012 - linkSome cases really merit an extra testing round with an alternate fan configuration from what they ship with... Most enthusiasts often end up adding a fan or repositioning some, it'd add a lot of value to the reviews to allow for that.
I know a lot of people are still gonna complain you didn't test the exact configuration they'd use or whatever, and you can't realistically test more than one alternative... But I still think it's worth thinking about, doesn't even have to happen for every review, just the ones that really merit it (particularly value cases that skimp on fans or highly customizable cases).
I understand why doing this is a logistics nightmare but as long as everyone understand any extra testing is at the reviewer's discretion, I think it'd be a great addition. I know testing them only as they ship is fairer and more representative of the case's value, BUT I think a lot of enthusiasts view cases as an investment that lasts thru multiple builds, so value is really skewed by what you can ultimately do with it after $20-40 and several years later. Reply
casteve - Thursday, March 29, 2012 - linkCongrats on the new test setup and the quieter living arrangements. If this trend continues, I expect you be living in an underground climate controlled man cave in a few years. :) Reply
VampyrByte - Thursday, March 29, 2012 - linkI totally agree with using temperature deltas rather than absolute values. However, atleast in the 550D article posted alongside this one, I found it hard at first to source the value for the ambient temperature. This information should really be in the title of the graph somewhere. Reply
JarredWalton - Thursday, March 29, 2012 - linkThe ambient temperature will likely be slightly different for each case tested, so as the graphs get filled in with more data points we can't simply list one ambient. Reply
irow - Thursday, March 29, 2012 - linkWhy not forget about motherboard/cpu/gpu etc and just put a sound source (speaker) and a heat source (eg light bulbs) inside the middle of a case and measure outside volume and internal/external fan vent temperatures ?? Although you may have to change a few bulbs, you could use that system for years while different components come and go. Reply
dac7nco - Thursday, March 29, 2012 - linkArticle: "I've actually moved since I started doing case reviews, and my new apartment is much quieter than the old one, resulting in an ambient noise floor well below 30dB."
Isn't Anandtech in North Carolina, in an office complex? I have always thought you guys had your own (professional) facilities. I wouldn't bench hardware that could potentially cost a company millions (in lost sales) in a spare bedroom. Enthusiast hardware I understand; overclocking GPUs and CPUs is meant to be at home... but sound testing?
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LeftSide - Friday, March 30, 2012 - linkLightbulbs are a bad idea because they transfer heat via radiation. It would heat the metal on the side of the case and not be an accurate representation of computer hardware. Cases are very different placing components and fans in different locations. The only accurate way to test is to use actual hardware. That way you can test and measure hard drive temperature, video card temperature, and cpu temperature separately.
I'm afraid the speaker idea would not work as well. Having 4 fans in one case and 2 in another would have different sound properties than a speaker in the center of the case. Reply
mariush - Friday, March 30, 2012 - linkIt might be a better idea to use a 500-600w gold power supply for the mini-itx systems, perhaps even one semi-passive one (as in one that turns off fan at lower power consumption).
Gold efficiency power supplies at that wattage are cheap enough these days and lots of people build such small systems to watch tv so they don't want lots of noise.
At the same time, the reduced air circulation inside (if the power supply won't spin its fan) would introduce some interesting effects and provide some good data about how well the air circulates inside the case and how well the case will work in time (people don't clean their cases often so they can get dusted, blocking vents) Reply
Death666Angel - Friday, March 30, 2012 - link"instead of stratifying between ATX and Micro-ATX/Mini-ITX, it makes more sense now to stratify ITX as a separate platform"
Been waiting for that for a while! My last 2 enclosures were mATX (one cube and the TJ08-E) and both are pretty powerful. There is no difference between mATX and ATX as long as 2 graphics cards or 1 graphics card and 2 other pci(e) cards are used and not more. Reply
hpzSZo95 - Friday, March 30, 2012 - linkAlmost all builds will include a physical hard drive, not just an SSD. I think it is important to include a 3.5" 7200 RPM hard drive in the test bed as a physical drive: 1) generates heat (small amount), 2) can block airflow (many cases mount these in front of the front intake fans), 3) generate noise, especially vibrations if mounting is insufficient.
Also, when reviewing a case the ease of assembling the system should be considered. I recently added an SSD to an existing system, which should be fairly simple from an assembly point of view. Unfortunately my 3 year old case has only 3 internal 3.5 bays in a single drive cage, which are occupied by a 3 disk RAID, and no 2.5" drive. It also has 2 3.5 external bays. I had to use an adapter to mount the 2.5 drive in the external bay behind a face plate. This required removing the GPU and memory as the tall heat spreaders blocked the installation.
My point is that while I doubt adding a single 3.5" drive to any modern case will cause issue, each additional component does increase the risk of complicating the assembly, so typical components should be included. Reply
shin0bi272 - Monday, April 02, 2012 - linkI agree. My friend just built a system and he planned on using his old 7200rpm drive but his other friend that he had put it together said the drive was bad... he didnt splurge on an ssd he went out and bought another hard drive. Plus with gaming you wont see any FPS increase with an ssd so the only benefit you'll get is load times. Reply
Shinobisan - Friday, March 30, 2012 - linkI notice you're using a Corsair Link in the new test bed... Where exactly did you get one?
I can't find them anywhere for sale (at least online... I'm in the middle of no-where).
I've asked Corsair themselves a gob of times, and only received abject silence.
I was really starting to think they were vapor-wear. !
What is the source? ? ? Reply
Shinobisan - Friday, March 30, 2012 - linkAh... page 2 says you got it directly from Corsair... so... still vapor wear. :( :(
(shinobisan = pouting) Reply
Luay - Sunday, April 01, 2012 - linkSticking with the small CM 212 Hyper Evo for all case reviews will mislead you and the readers whne it comes to CPU thermals.
The cooler is great for narrow cases such as the Antec 300, Rosewill Blackhawk and such, but for the wide full towers it is less effective and a much larger cooler is required to suck in cool air from the top, so that might be unfair to the larger cases when you review their CPU thermals. Reply
Gnarr - Sunday, April 01, 2012 - linkThis is not a revised methodology, but a revised method. Methodology is the study of a method. Reply
shin0bi272 - Monday, April 02, 2012 - linkI would still keep furmark since its designed for stressing the cards...
"What is FurMark?
FurMark is a very intensive OpenGL benchmark that uses fur rendering algorithms to measure the performance of the graphics card. Fur rendering is especially adapted to overheat the GPU and that's why FurMark is also a perfect stability and stress test tool (also called GPU burner) for the graphics card." Reply
sticks435 - Tuesday, April 03, 2012 - linkFurmark doesn't come anywhere close to reality as far as temps are concerned. It's like the Linpack of GPU's. Plus like Dustin Mentioned, Nvidia and AMD have specially coded the drivers/power circuitry to step down when Furmark is detected, so it doesn't give accurate results. I actually think some of the newer work units from F@H are the best test of heat and noise as far as GPU's are concerned. Reply
shin0bi272 - Tuesday, April 03, 2012 - linktrue. I was just posting whats on their site. Their stated mission is to test who can get the highest fps at the lowest temp which makes it a good candidate for a benchmark. If you go over to lanoc and read their test of the 7970 and 680 in furmark you'll see how whacked out the program's scoring is. the 680 scores higher in fps and lower in temp so you'd think it should score higher in the burn-in score point system. It doesnt. Ive never seen a benchmark of f@h come near the stress levels that furmark puts on the cards but I guess if your only looking for real world programs to test its a good one. Reply
shin0bi272 - Tuesday, April 03, 2012 - linkoh and according to legit reviews running f@h is getting harder and hard to do on the gpu.
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1881/15/ Reply
sticks435 - Tuesday, April 03, 2012 - linkFair enough. I don't think that it's getting harder, it's that Standford is probably swamped and hasn't had time to write new cores for the new arch. Either that or the current drivers are so terrible it causes f@h not to work. My 570 with the current work units sits at 94c with the fan speed at 75% with an ambient of 24c @850mhz. That's more stressful than any game as far as work/temp is concerned. Reply
sticks435 - Tuesday, April 03, 2012 - linkthat should have been 26c ambient. Reply
Knifeshade - Tuesday, April 03, 2012 - linkI think there needs to be a 'with stock heatsink' result, and one with the Hyper 212 in your testing methodology.
You're ultimately testing a case's capability. Having a custom cooler is misleading. "Oh those CPU temperatures look pretty good". "Wrong, it's mostly because of the custom cooler".
Not everybody uses aftermarket cooling in their build, you know. Reply


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Setting up my studio
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I have many jars of glaze, and many sizes of jars, and, I also mix glazes and have 2 gal. and 5 gallon buckets of my favorites. So you can probably imagine that I was not the least bit organized. I try to be, but I had glazes in this corner, on that wall, everywhere!
I emptied out a shelf unit that I had been storing things seldom used, and designated that end of my studio as the glazing area. I organized my jars of glaze according to brand and type, and I have included all my tools associated with glazing in this area too. My drill and mixers, a hand-held juicer, and large whisks hang on the wall, for example, ready to be used.
I have two work tables in this area. One is an old library table, stuck in a corner with buckets of glaze on wheels underneath, and a shelf atop that table, secured to the wall behind it. I keep paperwork on those shelves. Not bookkeeping paperwork, but patterns, books, transfer paper- supplies, in other words. Buckets of glaze go under that worktable.
The other table is used in a similar manner. Brushes, sponges, and a wax skillet are kept on this table, and a shelf on wheels in underneath. I keep things like clean towels, cotton cloths, masking tape, foam plates, and small pieces of foam in bins on the shelves.
Both tables have Shimpo turntables. These are my most prized possessions- do not know how I worked without them. They are different sizes, the tallest one, and the shortest one. I plan to purchase the one with the widest table, and I will be done buying Shimpo turntables.
I am still in the process of building shelves for my chemicals. I keep what I buy in large amounts in those tall plastic keepers for birdseed. I bought them at Lowes, about $13.00 each. They have worked out perfectly. I have 6 plastic units that have 2 drawers each, and Bobby built a shelf unit for them to keep my chemicals that are bought in smaller amounts. Stains also go in these drawers.
Once I get this bit of construction done, I think I will be pretty much organized. I have an area for throwing and keeping clay, an area for hand building, a damp closet, and an area to glaze. It is pretty tight, every inch of space is valuable, but I know how fortunate I am.
When Bobby gets his new shop built, he will empty this shop of his belongings, and I will have a much larger area for my studio- about 3 times the space. We have the kilns out there, and my pug mill and slab roller. We are going to build a station for Bobby to pour the mold he makes. There is always something more to do. My organizing is not nearly finished.
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All of my glazes have numbers. When I buy the next, it will be 101, then 102, etc.
I do not keep 35 next to 36, e.g. Instead, I group them according to what cone they belong, who manufactured them, and so on.
Mayco Low glaze on one shelf, Laguna cone 5 matte on another, Laguna cone 5 engobe on the next, then Amaco potter's choice, then Coyote cone 6 shino, and so on and so force.
The numbers are better than the names, because it takes less room when you do the test tile.
It is also easier to document if you want to keep track of your work E.g.: " 13, 65 and 24 on buisque, ^5"
It is easier to put it back to the shelf where it belongs. .... and you do not have to know the alphabet!
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LOL looks like 'organized' means something different for each of us! I suppose as long as we have a system and keep to it, it works!
Hmm, maybe indeed I do not understand what "organized" means? What is it in your opinion then?
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You are organized! Yes, people organize in different ways. I am visual. If I put stuff in a filing cabinet, it is gone forever-maybe a good thing. My wife has all of our CD'S alphabetized. I go by the pictures on the cover.
I have been in my new studio for a year and a half now. My dry glaze materials actually are alphabetized on a 4ft. wide by 6ft high shelf. Large containers of E.P.K., and ball clay are in plastic garbage cans under my ware shelves.All my liquid glazes are in 5 gallon buckets under tables. Each has a test tile wired to the bucket handle, so I can see then by colour. All are labelled with permanent marker on the lids.All my ware shelves are 8ft. long by 2 ft deep. My pots all go on ware boards on those shelves. Just bought a used ware cart on wheels from my clay supplier for $350.00. Works great, but is full of fired ware.
I don't use pints of glaze except at school. I have a crappy plywood shelf, that I scrounged in the hallway. It's powder blue. If I had time, I would paint it.
I also bought 3 wheelie dollies that you put under your snowmobile to work on it. They were at Costco for $25.00 for the three. I have my large dry material containers on them. I wish I had bought more of them.
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No number, no guessing, no reading - even a 5 year old can fetch the correct canister and later return it to its proper place.
Simple and looks fun too.
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Hello again, I have a lot of glazes many sizes and shapes. I am setting up my studio and wonder how to organize the glazes so I can find them. I am looking for racks to store and organize for ease of use. Does anyone know where I can buy racks for Duncan,spectrum and other glazes. Right Now I have them in bins not very organized for the studio . Ideas? Websites?
Thanks again!
Depending on the size/shape of the glaze bottle, maybe a CD/DVD/VHS tape rack from Kmart or Target or Ikea or wherever might work. The wooden kind that's kind of like a bookshelf - not the plastic ones with the slots!
Mine are in bins and boxes right now....so yeah, I need to get organized too!
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Hello again, I have a lot of glazes many sizes and shapes. I am setting up my studio and wonder how to organize the glazes so I can find them. I am looking for racks to store and organize for ease of use. Does anyone know where I can buy racks for Duncan,spectrum and other glazes. Right Now I have them in bins not very organized for the studio . Ideas? Websites?
Thanks again!
Depending on the size/shape of the glaze bottle, maybe a CD/DVD/VHS tape rack from Kmart or Target or Ikea or wherever might work. The wooden kind that's kind of like a bookshelf - not the plastic ones with the slots! />
Mine are in bins and boxes right now....so yeah, I need to get organized too!
Thank you all for the great feedback, I started seperating by mfg, and by number for now, till I get more experienced , I have never mixed my own yet. One step at a time.. Thanks again!!
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The Core i7 980X Review: Intel's First 6-Core Desktop CPUby Anand Lal Shimpi on 3/11/2010 12:00 AM EST
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DarkUltra - Saturday, March 20, 2010 - linkI would love to see a task manager screenshot during the different multi-threaded benchmarks, also games, so we can see how it utilizes the six cores and two threads per core? Reply
drewintheav - Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - linkThe INTEL i7 980X has dual QPI's and will run in a dual socket mainboard!!!
Such as the EVGA W555 / Classified SR-2 Reply
magnes79 - Thursday, December 09, 2010 - linkWhere did you get that information from? On intel website it says 1 QPI. from what I know and what always was the case all i7 series are single QPI's.
THats why you have Xeon series with double QPI.
Please do not post incorrect information, because people get stuck with expensive equipment not able to use it properly. Reply
Aenslead - Saturday, March 13, 2010 - linkThis has got to be THE most worthless, useless, expensive pice of silicon I've ever seen. An average of 13% performance increase in SOME apps AND a decrease in gaming?
Give me that 1k, and I'll get myself a GTX480, an SSD, and some DDR3 modules that will give me 2x, 3x or Xx times more performance in EVERYDAY use.
Thank goodness for CUDA, Stream, OpenCL and all that cr4p. Reply
Cableaddict - Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - linkAenslead,
I think you're missing the whole point of this cpu. It wasn't built to go fast. It was built to due serious multi-tasking. The pro A/V crowd will buy these in droves.
I can't wait to get one for my digital audio system. It will be worth every penny. Reply
Aenslead - Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - linkI understand your point.
I do video editing myself as well as some animation, but thanks to Furry Ball (Maya) and Elemental plugins for AE and Premiere, I've come to love GPU power more than ever.
I've seen what's comming for CS5 and I do not see CPU playing an important role there.
I see very few people, like yourself, actually finding bennefit from these product launches - same goes to PII X6, although I believe this one will be FAR better priced and far more atractive.
Best, Reply
dastruch - Friday, March 12, 2010 - linkNow that's what I'm saving some money for. Reply
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Wondering how the i7 980X would do against a 6 core Opteron,Tech Report did some benchmark numbers when the 6 core Opterons (server) first came out,going head to head againt Xeons..interesting results when you compare the new i7. This is a rough estimate, but if AMD's 6 core is based on the 6 core Opteron this could be interesting..
complete report
http://techreport.com/articles.x/17005/1">http://techreport.com/articles.x/17005/1 Reply
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silverblue - Friday, March 12, 2010 - linkI'm somewhat confused as to why, on your review, the PII X4 965 seems rather greedy, but on Toms' review of the i7-980X, AMD's offering does much better.
Toms' test setups for the X58:
Gigabyte X58A-UD5 (LGA 1366) X58 Express, BIOS F4
Corsair 6GB (3 x 2GB) DDR3-1600 7-7-7-20 @ DDR3-1333
Intel DX58SO (Intel X58)
I'm going to presume Corsair DDR3-1333 4 x 1GB (7-7-7-20)
Toms' test setup for AM3:
Asus M4A79T Deluxe (Socket AM3) 790FX/SB750, BIOS 2304
Corsair 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1600 7-7-7-20 @ DDR3-1333
Gigabyte GA-MA790FX-UD5P (AMD 790FX)
I'm going to presume Corsair DDR3-1333 2 x 2GB (7-7-7-20)
Toms' has the PII X4 965 idling 21W lower than the 980X and 32W lower at load (using Prime95), however you have the 965 idling 10W HIGHER and using 4W more at load. Is Prime95 just favouring AMD or is there some sort of problem with your 790 rig? I will concede that the AMD rig will be using less RAM on the Toms' setup which may account for some of the difference.
One thing to note: up the resolution on a CPU-limited title such as Left4Dead and the performance gap narrows markedly. Enable AA and there's no difference at all. For graphically intensive games and/or highest settings, it won't make sense to fork out $1000 no matter how good the CPU.
It'd be nice to see how good this CPU is with multiple graphics cards... :) Reply
JumpingJack - Monday, March 15, 2010 - linkTHG's power numbers are often screwed up, I would not trust them.
Good sites for power numbers include this, TR, Xbitlabs, and lost circuits. I have never been able to come close to any of Tom's numbers even with identical HW.
OBLAMA2009 - Friday, March 12, 2010 - linkhow come anand says he's excited about it and then later he says he'd never spend money on it
personally i wouldnt spend that much on a cpu but i think this thing would be a good chip for so long that if you did it wouldnt be a bad deal even at 1000. itll probably be the close to the fastest chip for the two years Reply
Paladin1211 - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkI can't figure out why the i7 870 only gets 70.6 fps in WoW while the i7 920 gets 85.5 fps. Higher clock, higher turbo, same hyper threading, integrated PCIe lanes... yet the 920 is 21% faster.
Someone enlightens me please :( Reply
JumpingJack - Friday, March 12, 2010 - linkThat's a good question .... it shouldn't. Reply
p05esto - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkI'm going through withdrawl. I've had my Core i7 920 since the day they were released and really want to upgrade, like yesterday. But I'm not spending $1k on a CPU, maybe $400 could work :) if they came out with something decent and overclockable to get near the extreme version. I feel like I'm stuck at the moment....I feel the need, the need for speed!!! Reply
bludragon - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkWell it's a beast, no doubt about that. But the most interesting info here is that sandy bride is debuting as a mainstream part. Has this ever happened with a new cpu before? Is this just because they are going to start with less cores, or have they taken some other architectural departure? Reply
RamarC - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkbtw, i'm trademarking "sexycore" Reply
Lazlo Panaflex - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - link"I wonder where Intel will price the Core i7 970, allegedly also a 6-core Gulftown derivative"
Hey Anand, if history is any indication, and there's no competition from AMD, I'll bet you a dollar that the 970 will retail for around $850 - the same price of the venerable mainstream Q6600 that was released a few months after the $999 QX6700... ;) Reply
aigomorla - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linki heard it was gonna be near the 600 mark.
It wont be cheaper then the 960, and it wont be more expensive then a 980X.
Robear - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkYou start by saying, "I have to say that Intel's Core i7 980X is the first Extreme Edition CPU that I've ever gotten excited about. ... The 980X gives you its best regardless of what you throw at it. ... If money were no object, the Core i7 980X is clearly the best you can get."
But then you conclude with a much more somber, "The Core i7 980X is such a difficult processor to recommend."
What really threw me for a loop, though, was this comment: "You could pick up a dual-socket Xeon board and a pair of quad-core Nehalem Xeons for a bit more than a X58 + 980X"
There are so many problems with that statement :( It's very un-anand-like.
Foregoing any assumptions about what you mean specifically, I haven't seen any 3.0+ GHz XEONs sub $1,000. Even then, I'm not convinced a dual-quad would even outperform the 980 unless you went with a couple of EPs, and that's way off the price mark. Your conclusion ends with a mild suggestion towards a platform you didn't benchmark. The 980 can put you at 3.6 GHz in a single-threaded app which you can't get from a dual-XEON.
The 980 truly is the best of both worlds, as you initially indicated.
Given that that the 960 is 3.2 GHz @ 4 cores is running ~$600, you can snag a whole 2 more cores, a speed boost, AND other 980-only perks for an extra $400. Think back to what the EE got you at its debut - another 10%-20% clock and an unlocked multiplier for something like a 100% markup over the next highest model.
This chip really seems like a bargain, but that's my opinion. I'm considering the 980X over a new 930 build just for the longevity it provides. It's just SO much power for the money. The simple fact that it puts it in the same league as a dual-quad XEON raises the hair on the back of my neck :)
Can you elaborate on a XEON system that would be comparable in performance and price to the 980? Maybe that would be a good article. I wonder what kind of performance hit you take with the QPI between two chips versus what you get with the 980. Skilltrail did okay, but the FB-DIMMs really hurt gaming. I think a 980 v. XEON would be a great article. Reply
aigomorla - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkW3680 will be a workstation hexcore @ 3.2ghz
Im guessing since its a 3600 series, it will be a 1 x QPI, so it will not work in tandium on a DP board.
Xeons are uber expensive tho.
And this one if its gonna be priced like the W3580's is gonna have a price of around 1499.
Rev1 - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkI know the OC's were on stock cooling but being this chip starts out @ 3.33 ghz and having a smaller 32nm size, the OC capability seems very underwhelming. I heard this chip is good for extreme overclockers because they did away with the cold boot bug. This thing probably puts out to much heat for any current air or wc setup to get a good oc out. That being said i dont see replacing my D0 920 anytime soon. Reply
aigomorla - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkcome to our cpu and overclocking forum.
Or read one of my comments with a forum link.
I showed people what it can do on higher voltages, when you take heat away from the equation of being the limited value. Reply
Hacp - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkWith the 800 dollar premium over an I7 920, why don't you just build a second 920 system instead! Reply
aigomorla - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkhttp://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=20450...">http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=20450...
I welcome you guys to join our forums.
You'll see more info on stuff on the OC potentials in that preview. Reply
atfuser - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkLooks like the i7-860 is where gamers and people who run lots of multicore apps want to spend their money. Gamers will save $750 and will see almost no difference in performance. Reply
RaistlinZ - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkYes, gamers will still be more than satisfied with their i7 920's @ 4Ghz. Especially considering those chips are only $200 at Microcenter these days.
I just hope the upcoming Xeon CPU's will have more of a mainstream price. Reply
quickbunnie - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkI think the L4D performance is actually due to the extra cores, as source engine games have n-1 multithreaded scaling. It's been shown to have diminishing returns past 3-4 cores, so a 6% bump for an extra 2 cores makes more sense to me than the extra cache, considering no other games show this level of performance increase Reply
vailr - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkWhat happens if you put this 6 core CPU in a non-upgraded bios X58 board? Do you then have the minimal functionality to be able to flash the bios to the updated version? Or does the system fail completely, to even show anything on the video display?
Just wondering... Reply
aigomorla - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkIf your bios can not handle gulftown, it will just refuse to post.
eVGA boards are even more picky. If you somehow manage to get a hold of an A0 stepping gulftown, you can not use the same bios on a B0 or B1 gulftown.
The b0 and b1 are the retail versions, while the A series were pure evaluation / testing samples.
Some asus boards should support gulftown without bios updates, however its still recommended u get one.
And if u guys come into our forums, you will see i pushed one up to 4.4ghz with HT ON, @ 1.388 vcore, so i think my 980X is better then the one Raja has.
Sorry Raja.. :P Reply
Anand Lal Shimpi - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkThat depends on the board I believe. Intel's DX58SO may not post without the BIOS update.
Take care,
Anand Reply
Jammrock - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkOne small title error. Intel's Xeon X7000-series CPUs are the first hex-core processors from Intel. Those are server only, but they are out there.
Gulftown is the first desktop hex-core though. Reply
Anand Lal Shimpi - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkCorrected :)
Take care,
Anand Reply
artifex - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - link3x cores and threads for less than 2x the TDP of their dual cores? sexy! Reply
Isaac the k - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkI must say, I do find this rather exciting.
But since I'm running a poorly threaded data-simulation app with extremely high throughput, I'm debating whether the extra latency vs. the larger shared cache could potentially harm performance.
If it wouldn't, I might actually request one for what my office is doing right now... Reply
mikeblas - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkAren't the Xeon E7450, Xeon L7455, and Xeon X7460 all six-core Intel processors that were released before this processor? Reply
semo - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkIf I understand this right Nahalem is the name of the micro architecture and not any CPU in particular. On page 2, the first die shot is captioned Nehalem. Shouldn't it be Bloomfield?
BTW Anand, you are doing a good job demystifying desktop products but the mobile space is even worse
arandale http://ark.intel.com/ProductCollection.aspx?codeNa...">http://ark.intel.com/ProductCollection.aspx?codeNa... vs clarkdale http://ark.intel.com/ProductCollection.aspx?codeNa...">http://ark.intel.com/ProductCollection.aspx?codeNa...
vPro is even more confusing. E.g. AMT KVM is supposed to work on AMT 6.0 + on chip GPU yet the i3 don't apply... or the i5-661 http://communities.intel.com/community/openportit/...">http://communities.intel.com/community/...ote-cont...
it would be useful if we could get some articles on mobile chips and/or vPro Reply
iwodo - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkWaiting for Sandy Bridge- which will hopefully be the true successor of Core 2 Duo.
PCI - Express 3.0, SATA 3.0, USB 3.0 ( Light Peak will be even better ), Bluetooth 4.0. Reply
AnnonymousCoward - Saturday, March 13, 2010 - linkLight Peak is kinda dumb...I think that's just multi-lane USB3/PCIe, and using light instead of wires is pointless since no one needs really long point-to-point cables. Apple just wants it since they're all about marketing new flashy things. USB3 could just as easily use as many lanes as you want, but it'd be unnecessarily expensive since 1 lane at 5Gbps is much faster than anything. Reply
Pessimism - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkThis is not intel's first 6 core CPU. The 6 core Xeon 7400 was announced in 2008. Reply
LoneWolf15 - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - link[QUOTE]With up to 6 cores running at 3.46GHz, Gulftown is not only the fastest CPU in Intel's lineup, it's also the fastest quad-core Intel makes.[/QUOTE]
I think you meant to say it's also the fastest "single-core" Intel makes. Reply
yacoub - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - link
Did I mention that with a BIOS update it's fully compatible with all X58 motherboards? That's right, even if you bought a board in November 2008 - you can upgrade directly to Gulftown.
And for only one thouuuuusand dollars! What a deal!!
lol yeah, anyone who spent $999 on an X58 CPU can now spend $999 on a new cpu 18 months later. $2000 for two CPUs in the course of 18 months. How you can spin that as being a good thing boggles the mind. What a waste!
strikeback03 - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkWell, maybe you spent the ~$280 or so on a 920 in November 08, which you could now upgrade to the 980X if you wanted. Considering Intel's past history of supporting new processors on older motherboards (see, for example, P965 and Penryn) it is nice that this is supported, even if the upgrade is extremely expensive. Reply
BelardA - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkKinda sad and funny... when core 2 came out, it destroyed the P4 line and of course kicked AMD down bad.
Even todays $65 intels and $45 AMDs (running about 2ghz) are still faster than those older Pentium EE chips. And what was sadder back then was that even AMD's $200 CPUs were still faster than the $1000 intels... unless your were doing 3D work and encoding video.
Thanks to intel's back-room deals with the major PC companies, the illegal activities has hurt competition. AMD is doing better today, but have little to work with. And we see what the lack of competition does such as ATI vs. Nvidia.
andyleung - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkWhy they keep the CPU frequency so high? All consumer quad cores go higher than 2.5GHz??? I really like Opterons, low frequency with more cores.
Seriously I hope Phenom VI (I made it up, they may call it something else) could have a model of 6 cores with each running 1.2GHz.
My own usage is mostly programming in JEE + documentation, so I need more cores but not that fast, so I could save a few bucks on my electricity bill in a year. :) Reply
yuchai - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkYou can always underclock/undervolt if you don't need the performance from the extra speed but want the power savings.
Note that this is the "Extreme" version, so it makes sense to have the fastest speeds possible. The mainstream versions that are coming will probably have lower clock speeds. Reply
at80eighty - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkMaybe I missed it - but would this have any predicted implications on the 920 price over this year span?
I'm rebuilding a rig a component at a time and Im wondering if there would be much variance if I picked a 920 now or in Q4
/tard Reply
IntelUser2000 - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - link"The first Core i7 did not power gate its L3 cache, Lynnfield added it and Gulftown has it as well."
No wonder this is my #1 favored site. :D Reply
darkhawkff - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkI don't know about anyone else, but I would have liked to have seen how this chip fares to overclocks of Intel's other Core i7 series. While I'm sure many people don't bother overclocking, I would wager that most people who visit this site do, and probably bought into the Core i7 920 series and overclocked it to 4 GHz or more. While I'm sure the Core i7 980X is a beast, I'd be more interested in seeing how it fares when overclocked parts are taken into account, because personally I see very little reason to make the jump from the 920 to the 980 after this review. 2 more cores are nice, but not when they are slower. Reply
B3an - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkAnand, can you please include newer software for some benches. For instance you are still using 3DS Max 9 which was released in 2006.
The latest is 3DS MaX 2010 (version 12).
I only ask because i'm sure that anyone who can afford this CPU can ceratinly afford the latest 3D rendering/modelling software. And besides that they might have better support/performance for these type of CPU's. Reply
palominoforever - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkPlease test 7-zip compression with 7z 9.x which support lzma2 algorithm that can support 16 cores. It runs much faster than 7z 4.x on my i7 920. Reply
just4U - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkI've had the 920 for 13 months now and seeing this review makes me want to do a little dance. (I also have a PII 920 I like very much) The 920 holds up well I think overall.
Some will b e horrified to know that I run it at stock. It can go quite high and I've got it set up with aftermarket cooling but I haven't really found a need to OC it as it. Someday I am sure I'll run it into the ground but not yet! A good purchase over a year ago, and still a worthy buy today.. or the 930 I guess since that's it's replacement.
Looks like it will be awhile before I move to 6cores. I wonder what AMD's offering will be like. Reply
Ben90 - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkIll be your dancing partner. It seems Intel is having a problem cranking up gaming performance after the Core2 series compared to other categories. Not having a fat cache limited Bloomfield performance and it seems a slower L3 cache is dragging down Gulftown.
I'm not expecting the 47% gains like in ray-tracing, and in general Bloomfield/Gulftown has increased gaming performance; however, there are situations where a previous generation has a more suitable architecture. It would be nice to have a "BAM! CHECK ME OUT!" product such as Conroe where it absolutely swept everything, and for current gamers, Gulftown is not that. I'm sure however in the future having the extra cores will lend themselves more improvements though. Reply
B3an - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkCome on people...
You cant judge this CPU with games. It should be pretty obvious it wasn't going to do much in that area anyway.
Theres still loads of games that are poor at making use of quadcore let alone 6 core. Infact every single game i have uses less than 30% CPU usage on my 4.1GHz i7 920. Alot are under 15%. Thats just pathetic.
And only recently has quad started to make a decent difference over dualcore with some games.
I'm sure this CPU will have a longer life span for gaming performance when games actually start using PC CPU's better in the future, but thats probably years away as most games are console ports these days which are made in mind with vastly slower console CPU's. Reply
just4U - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkI disagree. I don't thinkg this cpu will have a longer life span. My thinking is that when the current generation of cpu's finally start showing their age and can no longer cut it then you'd be upgrading anyway. Don't really matter if you have a 920, Q9X, a PIIX4, or even the 980X..
... They are just that fast. Sure, some are faster then others but were not talking night and day differences here.
As an enthusiast and as someone who builds a great deal of computers I will likely have a new cpu long before I really need it. But that's more of a question of "WANT" rather then "NEED" You know?
Those sitting on a dual core and thinking of pulling the trigger on this puppy will be the ones who benifit from a purchase like this. The rest of us ... mmm not so much.
HotFoot - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkThey can very well judge the CPU based on games, if games is what they do and the reason they'd consider upgrading. My most taxing application is gaming, and so I see little reason to move beyond my overclocked E8500.
Otherwise, it's just trying to find a need for the solution, rather than the other way around. If I spent time doing tasks this CPU shined at, I'd be very excited about it.
Further to my point, I disagree with the article stating this is the best CPU for playing WoW. I would argue that a CPU costing 1/10 as much that still feeds your GPU fast enough to hit the 60 fps cap is a better CPU for playing WoW. Reply
Dadofamunky - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkWhen a program like SysMark shows a crappy P4 getting 40% on average against the latest and greatest, it's definitely time for a new benchmark program. There's no way that P4EE ever comes that close in the real world. It's time to drop SysMark rom the benching suite. It's like using 3DMark03 for video card benchmarking. Reply
JonnyDough - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkThat would be true, except that it isn't a Pentium 4, and this synthetic benchmark isn't supposed to be accurate, just give you an overall idea of how a CPU fares in relation to others. The Pentium 955 in question is a 65nm Presler core, not an old socket 478 chip... Reply
Dadofamunky - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkIt's helpful to know what you're talking about before you correct me. Presler IS P4. and I noted it as a P4EE. And of course ignoring my point is not a good way to refute it. Reply
piroroadkill - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkPresler IS a Pentium 4 Reply
softdrinkviking - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkit's a 2-p4 mcm at at a lower node with a lot
of improvements over the older p4 manufacturing processes.
if i absolutely had to have netburst, that's what i would want.
i think it's really nice that Anand includes it in the comparison, because it gives a sense of history to the article, and it shows how much faster CPUs have gotten in such a short time.
JonnyDough - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkYep. It might be based on P4, but you can't really considered a P4. It was based on two cedar mill cores rather than smithfield with double the cache and a 200mhz bus speed jump. Reply
Dadofamunky - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkAnd exactly the same NetBurst architecture otherwise. And I'm sorry, but seeing that POS coming up with 40% against Gulftown signifies either one of two things: Gulftown isn't that much faster; or, the SysMark software distorts the relative performance results. That isn't a realistic portrayal of 'history.' SysMark 2007 badly needs an update. It isn't a realistic tool for the 4-to-6-core world. Reply
danielkza - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkWeird, other sites managed to squeeze up to 4.4GHz of the 980X on air, and 4.7GHz on WC. I thought initially of different stability requirements from both parts, but bit-tech ran all their benchmarks at both 4400MHz and 4720MHz. Maybe Anand's DX58 isn't holding up so well after all.
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2010/03/11/i...">http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2...-core-i7... Reply
DanNeely - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkAnand only used a stock cooler to test. The intel coolers never have much head room in them. Luck of the draw in both mobo and CPU might be a factor but so is bit-tech's better cooling. Reply
chrisfam - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkTomshardware got a 4.13 Ghz overclock with 1.4v and with Enhanced SpeedStep and Turbo Boost enabled. Neoseeker got a 4.16 Ghz overclock with just 1.35v. And both of these were with the stock heat sink. Reply
Anand Lal Shimpi - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkI've been working on a follow up to go deeper into our overclocked numbers. A motherboard swap later and a little bit of work appears to be paying off...I'm over 4.1GHz already :-)
Update soon!
Take care,
Anand Reply
chrisfam - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkUpdated overclock (4.13 Ghz, 1.359V) is much better. Thanks for the update. Reply
Rajinder Gill - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkThat's right, 3.7-3.8GHz is the full load limit of Intel's stock cooler with these beasts. We ran out of time to really push, but I'm sure we'll find out what these chips can do in due course.
strikeback03 - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkIs the new tower cooler an improvement in any way over the old one? Is it quieter, as it doesn't seem to offer more OC headroom.
Also, how does the CPU power consumption increase by 130W at load over idle, while system consumption only goes up 90W? Reply
- Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkhow are you getting your productivity numbers/percentages ??? Reply
Anand Lal Shimpi - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkAlso note that I limited my voltage to a ~15% increase. I believe with more voltage it's possible to go higher, but you really start driving power consumption up at that point.
Take care,
Anand Reply
zartok - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkI saw on tweakers.net they were able to run it 3.45GHz on 1V and on 4.26GHz on 1.38V (or 1.33V can't tell that well due to the image size), without even trying hard. So are sure that it's the CPU that's limiting the OC and not something else eg the motherboard? Reply
Bolas - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkHow does this cpu compare to the 6-core 32nm Xeon server chips that are launching around the same time? Any cost information on those yet? I mention this because I'm seriously considering EVGA's new dual socket W555 motherboard, which requires the dual QPI cpu's. Reply
goinginstyle - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkIs Intel offering 18 months no interest no payment plans for this? I really want one but I also want to eat and live in something besides a box for the next six months. Good article and nice to know the X58 boards we already have should work with nothing more than a BIOS upgrade. Reply
JonnyDough - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkThis processor isn't for you then.
It's for people who have nothing better to blow money on AND have money. Reply
DrMrLordX - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkThis is mostly a paper launch since few people will pay $1k for a CPU. As has been said so many times in the CPU/OC forums, keep your eyes out for the 32nm Xeon quads that will be appearing for LGA1366. They won't be 920 d0 cheap but they will be cheaper than the 980 and probably OC pretty well.
erwos - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkIf it's in the channel, it's not a paper launch. Period, end of story. Just because you can't afford it doesn't mean others can't. Reply
DrMrLordX - Friday, March 12, 2010 - linkIt's not that it's unaffordable . . . it's just that I'm not that crazy. Close, but not quite. Reply
JumpingJack - Friday, March 12, 2010 - linkMaybe a career change that pays more :) ... j/k. Reply
cactusdog - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkThis wont be the only i7 6 core desktop CPU. Intel are being sneaky to milk the market. There will be another one or possibly 2 at mainstream prices. The cheapest Xeon gulftown is only $400 (2.26Ghz) so why would Intel ignore desktop when X58 boards will happily run a Xeon? Reply
GourdFreeMan - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkThat strategy could just as well backfire on Intel. If you have to wait six months for the other hexacore desktop Gulftowns, you might as well forgo Gulftown entirely and wait a year to fifteen months for hexa/octocore Sandy Bridge. The new AVX instructions in Sandy Bridge are likely to have a far broader impact on performance in terms of software anyway... Reply
Triple Omega - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkWell I hope you're right. As right now it looks like even Sandy Bridge releasing at least 26 months after the 920 will still have only 4 cores maximum. Not much of a replacement.
Also, did anyone notice they broke their own Moore's-Law rule? The 980X only has 1,6 times the transistors of it's predecessor. Reply
DrMrLordX - Friday, March 12, 2010 - linkAs I posted above:
JumpingJack - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - link"Also, did anyone notice they broke their own Moore's-Law rule? The 980X only has 1,6 times the transistors of it's predecessor. "
You have a fundamental misunderstanding of Moore's Law, this is not unexpected because it is often misquoted or misrepresented in the less technically oriented press. The proper way to state Moore's law is the transistor count will double roughly every two years for the same die size, or for the same transistor count the die size will half. Yet the best way is to simply say the transistor density (transistor/unit area) will double.
You can check the 32 nm adherence to Moore's law by following up on the technical presentations that float around the web, Intel published their IEDM 2009 32 nm stuff:
Also, did anyone notice they broke their own Moore's-Law rule? The 980X only has 1,6 times the transistors of it's predecessor.
See the scaling for gate pitch or SRAM cell size slides 5 and 6, they are clearly falling right on the Moore's law path.
This is not by accident, a linear scaling factor of 0.7 when squared is 0.49 or roughly 0.5 i.e. half the area, this factor is chosen to get double the transistor density each technology node. Reply
talonz - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - link"Moore's Law" refers to density, not actual transistor count. Anyone can build a big chip. Reply
tterremmotto - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkActually, Moore's law has nothing to do with density nor speed. It was about price.
Moore's "observation" simply stated that the price per transistor halves every 18 moths. Wether that is due to density increases or process advancement is not a necessity.
Never an observation has been so misunderstood, and yet have such a fantastic side effect. Reply
JKflipflop98 - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkActually, Moore's law is all about transistor density. I know. I see it everyday in the halls, in the elevator, at my desk, in the cleanroom. . . Reply
JumpingJack - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkHe has a small point, Moores Law is just an obseravtion of the rate of shrinkage over time, the phenomena is driven by the economy of scale.
Jack Reply
softdrinkviking - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkwhere are you getting your xeon pricing info from?
all i can find from any solid source is the current xeon quad core processors which are running about $2000 on newegg at the moment.
xeons have always carried a premium for the intel dual processor support, and imho, a cheaper xeon is going to be more "enterprise" oriented and not be a real upgrade for the home x58 platform.
again, this is pure speculation, but i think we are going to be stuck with our current i7 stuff until intel decides to do a 32 nm refresh on the home line up.
basically, what i'm trying to say is that i think any xeon capable of creaming an i7 930 is going to be WAY more expensive than the 980x gulftown on display here. Reply
Meghan54 - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - link[QUOTE]where are you getting your xeon pricing info from?
all i can find from any solid source is the current xeon quad core processors which are running about $2000 on newegg at the moment. [/QUOTE]
Well, I question your search skills at Newegg, then, if that's all you can find there.
Just an FYI, Newegg has MANY, MANY sub-$700 Xeon processors for socket 1366, like the W3520, a Bloomfield, for $310, or the W3550 for $600--both Bloomfield quad-core cpus.
Learn to use search, (ps....main page, cpu/processors, processors-servers, power search, check box socket 1366, look at results. I'm hoping you do understand that there are mouse clicks between step.) Reply
formulav8 - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkgrow up... Reply
softdrinkviking - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkno, i saw all of that stuff. i was looking at the six core chips and i typed quad instead.
but thanks for getting all nasty and sarcastic anyway.
i'll try to remember about those mouse clicks next time.
the point i was trying to make is that the xeon line is going to be more expensive than the comparable home desktop CPUs and that it won't be a simple matter of non-server customers just buying xeons that will outclass the current i7 line-up. (specifically to compete against the 6 core model that this review is about)
Drag0nFire - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkI think the point was that you could get 2x cheap quad core Xeons, and run with 8 cores (16 threads) at a small price premium over the $1000 Gulftown. Reply
vol7ron - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkI will keep my eyes open for the Xeon, but for some reason, those typically are quite pricey. This $1k price will fall, hopefully sooner, rather than later.
I am looking forward to both.
Thanks for the read, Anand,
vol7ron Reply
DrMrLordX - Friday, March 12, 2010 - linkHere's a list of Gulftown quads for LGA1366:
The information isn't complete, but you should be able to do searches on the part that interests you most and get the information that you want. Reply
iamezza - Thursday, March 11, 2010 - linkit won't be dropping in price any time soon. Check the chart on Pg 3 - this is the top intel CPU until 2011 and I can't see AMD releasing a CPU that will compete performance wise with it before then. Reply
DarkUltra - Monday, May 03, 2010 - linkI also miss memory and cache performance tests, and memory overclock results. Reply
Kn0xx - Monday, May 17, 2010 - linkwell, this new 6 core comer, will be ( probably ) the entry design for 128 -bit processors that Intel are already working on it.
128 bit need new multi-core structures. so ..980X is an example of how can a 128-bit core would be =) Reply
unmaskedtruth - Sunday, May 23, 2010 - linkdoes anyone know if protools le 8.0 is multi-threaded? for recording pro music, is it going to be able to take advantage of "6cores" if i was to go i7-980x route? or is quad-core more than sufficient? cause there is i7-930 which is cost like 80% less than the 980x. what do you guys suggest? Reply
Emcha_Audio - Saturday, January 08, 2011 - linkNow that you've tested it with Sonar, might be worth it to test it with something more powerful and heavy than Sonar. I'd suggest Pro tools Le. Reply
chakrivenu - Sunday, March 03, 2013 - linkHello, can anyone tell me what is the exact type or model of 3M tape used on the plastic plate.
My motherboard had a problem and i removed the plastic plate. There are two strips in which one strip was spoiled while removing. Please help me.. Reply


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NVIDIA Launches Tesla K20 & K20X: GK110 Arrives At Lastby Ryan Smith on 11/12/2012 9:00 AM EST
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kwrzesien - Monday, November 12, 2012 - linkMy first First! Okay, now back to work. Reply
DigitalFreak - Monday, November 12, 2012 - linkI wouldn't call riding the short-bus work... Reply
kwrzesien - Monday, November 12, 2012 - linkHey, I wouldn't call reading news work either! Reply
CeriseCogburn - Thursday, November 29, 2012 - linkThank you insane amd fanboys, for months on end, you've been screaming that nVidia yields are horrible and they're late to the party, while nVidia itself has said yields are great, especially in the GPU gaming card space.
now the big amd fanboy lie is exposed.
" Interestingly NVIDIA tells us that their yields are terrific – a statement backed up in their latest financial statement – so the problem NVIDIA is facing appears to be demand and allocation rather than manufacturing."
(that's in the article above amd fanboys, the one you fainted...after raging... trying to read)
I'm so glad this site is so fair, and as we see, as usual, what nVidia has been telling them is considered a lie for a very, very long time, until the proof that it was and is actually the exact truth and has been all along is slammed hard into the obstinate amd fan brain.
So nVidia NEVER had an ongoing yield issue on 600 series..
That's what they said all along, and the liars, knows as amd fanboys, just lied instead, even after they were informed over and over again that nVidia did not buy up a bunch of manufacturing time early.
Thanks amd fanboys, months and months of your idiot lies makes supporting amd that much harder, and now they are truly dying.
Thank you for destroying competition.
mayankleoboy1 - Monday, November 12, 2012 - linkAnand, I am a Nvidia fanboi.
But still i was surprised by your AMD S10000 coverage. That merited a page in the _pipeline_ section.
And a product from Nvidia gets a front seat, _3 page_ article ?
Bias, or page hits ? Reply
Ryan Smith - Monday, November 12, 2012 - linkI had more to write about the K20, it's as simple as that. This is the first chance I've had to write in-depth about GK110, whereas S10000 is a dual-chip board using an existing GPU. Reply
lx686x - Monday, November 12, 2012 - linkOhhh the W9000/8000 review that never got a promised part 2? And the S9000 and S7000 that was also thrown in the pipeline? Reply
tviceman - Monday, November 12, 2012 - linkJust like the gtx650 that never got it's own review. Get over it. Reply
lx686x - Monday, November 12, 2012 - linkIt wasn't promised, get over it. Reply
The Von Matrices - Tuesday, November 13, 2012 - linkIt was promised, but it never was published.
"We'll be looking at the GTX 650 in the coming week, at which point we should have an answer to that question." Reply
CeriseCogburn - Thursday, November 29, 2012 - linkLOL - wrong again amd fanboy Reply
Bullwinkle J Moose - Tuesday, November 13, 2012 - linkK20X
384 bit bus
7.1 Billion Transistors
3.95 TFLOP Single Precision
1.31 TFLOP Double Precision
Sounds impressive but can it play Crisis? Reply
Bullwinkle J Moose - Wednesday, November 14, 2012 - linkCRYSIS Reply
CeriseCogburn - Thursday, November 29, 2012 - linkYou both meant Crysis Warhead, frost bench, an amd advantage favorite for a single amd win of late, not Crysis 2.
the bias is screaming out Reply
eddman - Monday, November 12, 2012 - link"I am a Nvidia fanboi."
You do know that fanboy means "A stupid and highly biased fan", right?
The term you'd want to use is simply "Fan". Reply
Denithor - Monday, November 12, 2012 - linkI think that was his point exactly - he's a RABID nVidia fan but still finds it off balance the differential treatment for the two companies. Reply
CeriseCogburn - Thursday, November 29, 2012 - linkThe truth is probably he's a rabid amd fanboy in disguise Reply
Sabresiberian - Tuesday, November 13, 2012 - linkThe "stupid" part is YOUR interpretation, it's not what it means to most people.
Biased, yes, stupid, no. Reply
CeriseCogburn - Thursday, November 29, 2012 - linkBiased because, while being so stupid, so obsessed, so doused in tampon and motrin lacking estrogenic emoting for the team, that facts simply do not matter, and spinning Barney and and Nancy and Harry would be proud of, becomes all that spews forth.
Stupid is definitely part of it, coupled with a huge liar factor.
It may be the washing of the brain coupled with the excessive female hormone problems are the base cause, but in every case except flat out devious lying troll for amd, paid or unpaid, stupidity is a very large component. Reply
dragonsqrrl - Monday, November 12, 2012 - link'An article about an AMD product got only 1 page of coverage while an article about an Nvidia product got 3, BIAS, FAVORITISM, FANBOI'
Dude really, grow up. You're just about the last person who should be throwing around accusations of bias and fanboism. Do you really have nothing better to do than to troll and whine on Tom's and Anand, about how the whole world is conspiring against your benevolent AMD? Reply
CeriseCogburn - Thursday, November 29, 2012 - linkMaybe he's the hacker that gives the -20 to every post on every gpu article at Tom's that is not 100% amd fanboy lie plus up based, or even hints at liking any nVidia card, ever.
I'm so SICK of having to hit the show post crap at Tom's in order to read any comments that aren't radeon rager amd favor boys Reply
nutgirdle - Monday, November 12, 2012 - linkI've heard through back channels that nVidia may be moving away from supporting OpenCL. Can you confirm any of this? Reply
Ryan Smith - Monday, November 12, 2012 - linkThere's always going to be that nagging concern since NVIDIA has CUDA, but I haven't heard anything so substantiate that rumor. Reply
CeriseCogburn - Thursday, November 29, 2012 - linkYou mean you're worried and still sore over how pathetic AMD has been in it's lack and severey long time lacking suport for OpenCL compared to nVidia's far ahead forever and a long time great job in actually supporting it and breaking all the new ground, while amd fanboys whine OpenCl is the way and amd PR propaganda liar freaks paid by amd squeal OpenCL should be the only way forward ?
Yeah, that's what you really meant, or rather should have said.
Hey, cheer up, amd finally got the checkmark in GPU-Z for OpenCL support. Like YEARS after nVidia.
Thanks, I love the attacks on nVidia, while amd is crap.
It's one of the major reasons why amd is now nearly dead. The amd fanboys focus on hating the rich, prosperous, and profitable competition 100%, instead of directing their efforts at kicking the loser, amd, in the head or groin, or at all, let alone hard enough, for their failures to become apparent and self evident, so that they actually do something about them, fix them, and perform.
Most famous Catalyst Maker quote: " I didn't know we had a problem. "
That's amd professionalism for you.
Casper42 - Wednesday, May 15, 2013 - linkCeriseCogburn, how are you not banned from here?
I'm an Nvidia fan, but 90% of what comes out of your keyboard is just hate and vitriol.
Tone it down a little man! Reply
Jorange - Monday, November 12, 2012 - linkSo the GK110 will form the basis of the GTX 680's replacement? Reply
thebluephoenix - Monday, November 12, 2012 - linkYes. Reply
suryad - Friday, November 16, 2012 - linkThat's pretty much what I needed to hear. My Geforce 285 GTX OC editions in SLI are getting a bit long in the tooth! Reply
Ryan Smith - Monday, November 12, 2012 - linkFrankly we have no idea. It is a GPU, so NVIDIA could absolutely do that if they wanted to. But right now the entire allocation is going to Tesla. And after that I would expect to see a Quadro GK110 card before we ever saw a consumer card. Reply
mayankleoboy1 - Monday, November 12, 2012 - linkProbably no. Why should it ? With HPC, they can sell it at $4000, making atleast $2000 in profit.
With a consumer gaming card, thay would have to sell it at $ 600 max, making $150-200 max. Reply
Assimilator87 - Monday, November 12, 2012 - linknVidia already sells a $1k consumer graphics card, aka the GTX 690, so why can't they introduce one more? Reply
HisDivineOrder - Monday, November 12, 2012 - linkMore to the point, they don't need to. The performance of the GK104 is more or less on par with AMD's best. If you don't need to lose money keeping up with the best your opponent has, then why should you lose money?
Keep in mind, they're charging $500 (and have been charging $500) for a GPU clearly built to be in the $200-$300 segment when their chief opponent in the discrete GPU space can't go a month without either dropping the prices of their lines or offering up a new, even larger bundle. This is in spite of the fact that AMD has released not one but two spectacular performance driver updates and nVidia disappeared on the driver front for about six months.
Yet even still nVidia charges more for less and makes money hand over fist. Yeah, I don't think nVidia even needs to release anything based on Big Daddy Kepler when Little Sister Kepler is easily handing AMD its butt. Reply
RussianSensation - Monday, November 12, 2012 - link"Big Daddy Kepler when Little Sister Kepler is easily handing AMD its butt."
Only in sales. Almost all major professional reviewers have handed the win to HD7970 Ghz as of June 2012. With recent drivers, HD7970 Ghz is beating GTX680 rather easily:
Your statement that Little Kepler is handing AMD's butt is absurd when it's slower and costs more. If NV's loyal consumers want a slower and more expensive card, more power to them.
Also, it's evident based on how long it took NV to get volume production on K20/20X, that they used GK104 because GK100/110 wasn't ready. It worked out well for them and hopefully we will get a very powerful GTX780 card next generation based on GK110 (or perhaps some other variant).
Still, your comment flies in the face of facts since GK104 was never build to be a $200-300 GPU because NV couldn't possibly have launched a volume 7B chip since they are only now shipping thousands of them. Why would NV open pre-orders for K20 parts in Spring 2012 and let its key corporate customers wait until November 2012 to start getting their orders filled? This clearly doesn't add up with what you are saying.
Secondly, you make it sound like price drops on AMD's part are a sign of desperation but you don't acknowledge that NV's cards have been overpriced since June 2012. That's a double standard alright. As a consumer, I welcome price drops from both camps. If NV drops prices, I like that. Funny how some people view price drops as some negative outcome for us consumers... Reply
CeriseCogburn - Thursday, November 29, 2012 - linkSo legion has the 7970 vanilla winning nearly every benchmark.
I guess amd fanboys can pull out all the stops, or as we know, they are clueless as you are.
Oh look at that, the super expensive amd radeon ICE Q X2 GIGAHERTZ EDITION overclocked can't even beat a vanilla MSI 680 .
Reality sucks for amd fanboys. Reply
Gastec - Tuesday, November 13, 2012 - linkRight now ,in the middle of the night, an idea sprang into my abused brain. nVidia is like Apple. And their graphical cards are like the iPhones. There's always a few millions of people willing to buy their producs no matter what, no matter what price they put up. Even if the rest of the world would stop buying nVidia and iPhones at least there will always be some millions of amaricans to will buy them, and their sons and their sons' sons and so on and so forth until the end of days. Heck even one of my friends when we were chatting about computers components uttered the words: "So you are not a fan of nVidia? You know it has PhysX." In my mind I was like : "FAN? What the...I bought my ATI card because it was cheaper and consumed less power so I pay less money when the bloo...electricity bill comes" And after reading all your comments I understand now what you mean by "fanboy" or "fanboi" whatever. Typically american bs. Reply
CeriseCogburn - Thursday, November 29, 2012 - linkLOL - another amd fanboy idiot who needs help looking in the mirror. Reply
Kevin G - Monday, November 12, 2012 - linkA consumer card would make sense if yields are relatively poor. A die this massive has to have a very few fully functional chips (in fact, K20X only has 14 of 15 SMX clusters enabled). I can see a consumer card with 10 or 12 SMX clusters being active depending on yields for successful K20 and K20X dies. Reply
RussianSensation - Monday, November 12, 2012 - linkIt would also make sense if the yields are very good. If your yields are exceptional, you can manufacture enough GK110 die to satisfy both the corporate and consumer needs. Right now the demand for GK110 is outstripping supply. Based on what NV has said, their yields are very good. The main issue is wafer supply. I think we could reasonably see a GK110 consumer card next year. Maybe they will make a lean gaming card though as a lot of features in GK110 won't be used by gamers. Reply
Dribble - Tuesday, November 13, 2012 - linkHope not - much better to give us another GK104 style architecture but increase the core count. Reply
wiyosaya - Monday, November 12, 2012 - linkIMHO, at these prices, I won't be buying one, nor do I think that the average enthusiast is going to be interesting in paying perhaps one and a half to three times the price of a good performance PC for a single Tesla card. Though nVidia will probably make hoards of money from supercomputing centers, I think they are doing this while forsaking the enthusiast market.
The 600 series seriously cripples double-precision floating point capabilities making a Tesla an imperative for anyone needing real DP performance, however, I won't be buying one. Now if one of the 600 series had DP performance on par or better than the 500 series, I would have bought one rather than buying a 580.
I don't game much, however, I do run several BOINC projects, and at least one of those projects requires DP support. For that reason, I chose a 580 rather than a 680. Reply
DanNeely - Monday, November 12, 2012 - linkThe Tesla (and quadro) cards have always been much more expensive than their consumer equivalents. The Fermi generation M2090 and M2070Q were priced at the same several thousand dollar pricepoint as K20 family; but the gaming oriented 570/580 were at the normal several hundred dollar prices you'd expect for a high end GPU. Reply
wiyosaya - Tuesday, November 13, 2012 - linkYes, I understand that; however, IMHO, the performance differences are not significant enough to justify the huge price difference unless you work in very high end modeling or simulation.
To me, with this generation of chips, this changes. I paid close attention to 680 reviews, and DP performance on 680 based cards is below that of the 580 - not, of course, that it matters to the average gamer. However, I highly doubt that the chips in these Teslas would not easily adapt to use as graphics cards.
While it is nVidia's right to sell these into any market they want, as I see it, the only market for these cards is the HPC market, and that is my point. It will be interesting to see if nVidia continues to be able to make a profit on these cards now that they are targeted only at the high-end market. With the extreme margins on these cards, I would be surprised if they are unable to make a good profit on them.
In other words, do they sell X amount at consumer prices, or do they sell Y amount at professional prices and which target market would be the better market for them in terms of profits? IMHO, X is likely the market where they will sell many times the amount of chips than they do in the Y market, but, for example, they can only charge 5X for the Y card. If they sell ten times the chips in X market, they will have lost profits buy targeting the Y market with these chips.
Also, nVidia is writing their own ticket on these. They are making the market. They know that they have a product that every supercomputing center will have on its must buy list. I doubt that they are dumb.
What I am saying here is that nVidia could sell these for almost any price they choose to any market. If nVidia wanted to, they could sell this into the home market at any price. It is nVidia that is making the choice of the price point. By selling the 680 at high-end enthusiast prices, they artificially push the price points of the market.
Each time a new card comes out, we expect it to be more expensive than the last generation, and, therefore, consumers perceive that as good reason to pay more for the card. This happens in the gaming market, too. It does not matter to the average gamer that the 580 outperforms the 680 in DP operations; what matters is that games run faster. Thus, the 680 becomes worth it to the gamer and the price of the hardware gets artificially pushed higher - as I see it.
IMHO, the problem with this is that nVidia may paint themselves into an elite market. Many companies have tried this, notably Compaq and currently Apple. Compaq failed, and Apple, depending on what analysts you listen to, is losing its creative edge - and with that may come the loss of its ability to charge high prices for its products. While nVidia may not fall into the "niche" market trap, as I see it, it is a pattern that looms on the horizon, and nVidia may fall into that trap if they are not careful. Reply
CeriseCogburn - Thursday, November 29, 2012 - linkYep, amd is dying, rumors are it's going to be bought up after a chapter bankruptcy, restructured, saved from permadeath, and of course, it's nVidia that is in danger of killing itself... LOL
Boinc is that insane sound in your head.
NVidia professionals do not hear that sound, they are not insane. Reply
shompa - Monday, November 12, 2012 - linkThese are not "home computer" cards. These are cards for high performance calculations "super computers". And the prices are low for this market.
The unique thing about this years launch is that Nvidia always before sold consumer cards first and supercomputer cards later. This time its the other way.
Nvidia uses the supercomputer cards for more or less subsidising its "home PC" graphic cards. Usually its the same card but with different drivers.
Home 500 dollars
Workstation 1000-1500 dollars
Supercomputing 3000+ dollars
Three different prices for the same card.
But 7 billion transistors on 28nm will be expensive for home computing. It cost more then 100% more to manufacture these GPUs then Nvidia 680.
7 BILLION. Remember that the first Pentium was the first 1 MILLION transistors. This is 7000 more dense. Reply
kwrzesien - Monday, November 12, 2012 - linkAll true.
But I think what has people complaining is that this time around Nvidia isn't going to release this "big" chip to the Home market at all. They signaled this pretty clearly by putting their "middle" chip into the 680. Unless they add a new top-level part name like a 695 or something they have excluded this part from the home graphics naming scheme. Plus since it is heavily FP64 biased it may not perform well for a card that would have to be sold for ~$1000. (Remember they are already getting $500 for their middle-size chip!)
Record profits - that pretty much sums it up. Reply
DanNeely - Monday, November 12, 2012 - linkAFAIK that was necessity speaking. The GK100 had some (unspecified) problems; forcing them to put the Gk104 in both the mid and upper range of their product line. When the rest of the GK11x series chips show up and nVidia launches the 7xx series I expect to see GK110's in the top as usual. Having seen nVidia's midrange chip trade blows with their top end one, AMD is unlikely to be resting on it's laurels for their 8xxx series. Reply
RussianSensation - Monday, November 12, 2012 - linkGreat to see someone who understood the situation NV was in. Also, people think NV is a charity or something. When they were selling 2x 294mm^2 GTX690 for $1000, we can approximate that on a per wafer cost, it would have been too expensive to launch a 550-600mm^2 GK100/110 early in the year and maintain NV's expected profit margins. They also faced wafer shortages which explains why they re-allocated mobile Kepler GPUs and had to delay under $300 desktop Kepler allocation by 6+ months to fulfill 300+ notebook design wins. Sure, it's still Kepler's mid-range chip in the Kepler family, but NV had to use GK104 as flagship. Reply
CeriseCogburn - Thursday, November 29, 2012 - linkkwrsezien, another amd fanboy idiot loser with a tinfoil brain and rumor mongered brainwashed gourd
Everything you said is exactly wrong.
Perhaps and OWS gathering will help your emotional turmoil, maybe you can protest in front of the nVidia campus.
Good luck, wear red. Reply
bebimbap - Monday, November 12, 2012 - linkEach "part" being made with the "same" chip is more expensive for a reason.
For example Hard drives made by the same manufacturer have different price points for enterprise, small business, and home user. I remember an Intel server rep said to use parts that are designed for their workload so enterprise "should" use an enterprise drive and so forth because of costs. And he added further that with extensive testing the bearings used in home user drives will force out their lubricant fluid causing the drive to spin slower and give read/write errors if used in certain enterprise scenarios, but if you let the drive sit on a shelf after it has "failed" it starts working perfectly again because the fluids returned to where they need to be. Enterprise drives also tend to have 1 or 2 orders of magnitude better bit read error rate than consumer drives too.
In the same way i'm sure the tesla, quadro, and gtx all have different firmwares, different accepted error rates, different loads they are tested for, and different binning. So though you say "the same card" they are different.
And home computing has changed and have gone in a different direction. No longer are we gaming in a room that needs a separate AC unit because of the 1500w of heat coming from the computer. We have moved from using 130w CPUs to only 78w. Single gpu cards are no longer using 350w but only 170w. so we went from using +600-1500w systems using ~80% efficient PSUs to using only about ~<300-600w with +90% efficient PSUs, and that is just under high loads. If we were to compare idle power, instead of only using 1/2 we are only using 1/10. We no longer need a GK110 based GPU, and it might be said that it will not make economic sense for the home user.
GK104 is good enough. Reply
EJ257 - Monday, November 12, 2012 - linkThe consumer model of this with the fully operational die will be in the $1000 range. 7 billion transitors is a really big chip even for 28nm process. Reply
CeriseCogburn - Thursday, November 29, 2012 - linkWe can look forward to a thousand morons screaming it's not twice as fast as the last gen, again.
The pea brained proletariat never disappoints.
They always have memorized 15 or 20 lies, and have hold of half a fact to really hammer their points home.
I can hardly wait. Reply
RussianSensation - Monday, November 12, 2012 - linkFor double precision BOINC projects, AMD cards have been dominating NV since at least HD4870. If you want a cheap card for distributed computing projects that use DP, HD7970 series offers very good value. Of course it depends what project you are passionate about/ want to help with. :) Reply
Denithor - Monday, November 12, 2012 - linkI'm guessing that should be 1.17 TFLOPS not the 1.17GFLOPS stated.
:) Reply
Ryan Smith - Monday, November 12, 2012 - linkWhat's a few orders of magnitude between friends?
Thanks for the heads up on that. Fixed. Reply
mayankleoboy1 - Monday, November 12, 2012 - linkIs a GK110 derivative without the DP and ECC, but with 13/14 SMX possible ? Reply
N4g4rok - Monday, November 12, 2012 - linkWhat do you do with one of these monsters? Reply
menting - Monday, November 12, 2012 - linkattain world peace (or destruction) Reply
HighTech4US - Monday, November 12, 2012 - link> What do you do with one of these monsters?
Read this article: Inside the Titan Supercomputer: 299K AMD x86 Cores and 18.6K NVIDIA GPUs
And watch the videos in it (the applications are impressive):
If you want to get time on Titan you write a proposal through a program called Incite. In the proposal you ask to use either Titan or the supercomputer at Argonne National Lab (or both). You also outline the problem you're trying to solve and why it's important. Researchers have to describe their process and algorithms as well as their readiness to use such a monster machine.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6421/inside-the-tita... Reply
RussianSensation - Monday, November 12, 2012 - linkSeismic processing
Financial computing
Computational chemistry and Physics
Data analytics
Satellite imaging
Weather modeling Reply
Holly - Tuesday, November 13, 2012 - linkI could very much imagine using it to calculate distances and collisions between massive numbers of players in MMO games, it's brute force, data uniformity and parallel nature of the task would make it ideal candidate.
But well, you wouldn't need too much of those on your average MMO cluster. Reply
dcollins - Monday, November 12, 2012 - linkIt should be noted that recursive algorithms are not always more difficult to understand than their iterative counterparts. For example, the quicksort algorithm used in nvidia's demos is extremely simple to implement recursively but somewhat tricky to get right with loops.
The ability to directly spawn sub-kernels has applications beyond supporting recursive GPU programming. I could see the ability to create your own workers would simplify some problems and leave the CPU free to do other work. Imagine an image processing problem where a GPU kernel could do the work of sharding an image and distributing it to local workers instead of relying on a (comparatively) distant CPU to perform that task.
In the end, this gives more flexibility to GPU compute programs which will eventually allow them to solve more problems, more efficiently. Reply
mayankleoboy1 - Monday, November 12, 2012 - linkWe need compilers that can work on GPGPU to massively speed up compilation times. Reply
Loki726 - Tuesday, November 13, 2012 - linkI'm working on this. It actually isn't as hard as it might seem at first glance.
The amount of parallelism in many compiler optimizations scale with program size, and the simplest algorithms basically boil down to for(all instructions/functions/etc) { do something; }. Everything isn't so simple though, and it still isn't clear if there are parallel versions of some algorithms that are as efficient as their sequential implementations (value-numbering is a good example).
So far the following work very well on a massively parallel processor:
- instruction selection
- dataflow analysis (live sets, reaching defs)
- control flow analysis
- dominance analysis
- static single assignment conversion
- linear scan register allocation
- strength reduction, instruction simplification
- constant propagation (local)
- control flow simplification
These are a bit harder and need more work:
- register allocation (general)
- instruction scheduling
- instruction subgraph isomorphism (more general instruction selection)
- subexpression elimination/value numbering
- loop analysis
- alias analysis
- constant propagation (global)
- others
Some of these might end up being easy, but I just haven't gotten to them yet.
The language frontend would also require a lot of work. It has been shown
that it is possible to parallelize parsing, but writing a parallel parser for a language
like C++ would be a very challenging software design project. It would probably make more sense to build a parallel parser generator for framework like Bison or ANTLR than to do it by hand. Reply
eachus - Wednesday, November 14, 2012 - linkI've always assumed that the way to do compiles on a GPU or other heavily parallel CPU is to do the parsing in a single sequential process, then spread the semantic analysis and code generation over as many threads as you can.
I may be biased in this since I've done a lot of work with Ada, where adding (or changing) a 10 line file can cause hundreds of re-analysis/code-generation tasks. The same thing can happen in any object-oriented language. A change to a class library, even just adding another entry point, can cause all units that depend on the class to be recompiled to some extent. In Ada you can often bypass the parser, but there are gotchas when the new function has the same (simple) name as an existing function, but a different profile.
Anyway, most Ada compilers, including the GNAT front-end for GCC will use as many CPU cores as are available. However, I don't know of any compiler yet that uses GPUs. Reply
Loki726 - Thursday, November 15, 2012 - linkThe language frontend (semantic analysis and IR generation, not just parsing) for C++ is generally harder than languages that have concepts of import/modules or interfaces because you typically need to parse all included files for every object file. This is especially true for big code bases (with template libraries).
GPUs need thousands of way parallelism rather than just one dimension for each file/object, so it is necessary to extract parallelism on a much finer granularity (e.g. for each instruction/value).
A major part of the reason why GPU compilers don't exist is because they are typically large/complex codebases that don't map well onto parallel models like OpenMP/OpenACC etc. The compilers for many languages like OpenCL are also immature enough that writing a debugging a large codebase like this would be intractable.
CUDA is about the only language right now that is stable enough and has enough language features (dynamic memory allocation, object oriented programming, template) to try. I'm writing all of the code in C++ right now and hoping that CUDA will eventually cease to be a restricted subset of C++ and just become C++ (all it is missing is exceptions, the standard library, and some minor features that other compilers are also lax about supporting). Reply
CeriseCogburn - Thursday, November 29, 2012 - linkDon't let the AMD fans see that about OpenCL sucking so badly and being immature.
It's their holy grail of hatred against nVidia/Cuda.
You might want to hire some protection.
I can only say it's no surprise to me, as the amd fanboys are idiots 100% of the time.
Now as amd crashes completely, gets stuffed in a bankruptcy, gets dismantled and bought up as it's engineers are even now being pillaged and fired, the sorry amd fanboy has "no drivers" to look forward to.
I sure hope their 3G ram 79xx "futureproof investment" they wailed and moaned about being the way to go for months on end will work with the new games...no new drivers... 3rd tier loser engineers , sparse crew, no donuts and coffee...
*snickering madly*
The last laugh is coming, justice will be served !
I'd just like to thank all the radeon amd ragers here for all the years of lies and spinning and amd tokus kissing, the giant suction cup that is your pieholes writ large will soon be able to draw a fresh breath of air, you'll need it to feed all those delicious tears.
I think I'll write the second edition of "The Joys of Living". Reply
inaphasia - Tuesday, November 13, 2012 - linkEverybody seems to be fixated on the fact that the K20 doesn't have ALL it's SMXes enabled and assuming this is the result of binning/poor yields, whatever...
AFAICT the question everybody should be asking and the one I'd love to know the answer to is:
Why does the TFLOP/W ratio actually IMPROVE when nVidia does that?
Watt for Watt the 660Ti is slightly better at compute than the 680 and far better than the 670, and we all know they are based on the "same" GK104 chip. Why? How?
My theory is that even if TSCM's output of the GK110 was golden, we'd still be looking at disabled SMXes. Of course since it's just a theory, it could very well be wrong. Reply
frenchy_2001 - Tuesday, November 13, 2012 - linkNo, you are probably right.
Products are more than their raw capabilities. When GF100 came out, Nvidia placed a 480 core version (out of 512) in the consumer market (at 700MHz+) and a 448 at 575MHz in the Quadro 6000. Power consumption, reliability and longevity were all parts of that decision.
This is part of what was highlighted in the article as a difference between K20X and K20, the 235W vs 225W makes a big difference if your chassis is designed for the latter. Reply
Harry Lloyd - Tuesday, November 13, 2012 - linkCan you actually play games with these cards (drivers)?
I reckon some enthusiasts would pick this up. Reply
Ryan Smith - Wednesday, November 14, 2012 - linkUnfortunately not. If nothing else, because there aren't any display outputs. Reply
CyberAngel - Thursday, November 22, 2012 - linksome could still pay 999 USD for a consumer product
naturally dual GPU card would then cost 1999 USB
SLI a couple of those....it WILL run Crysis !! Reply
wilicc - Wednesday, December 12, 2012 - linkI have some benchmarks on the Tesla K20, if someone is interested. Nothing surprising on the single precision front.
http://wili.cc/blog/gpgpu-faceoff.html Reply
Anitha.kale - Tuesday, March 12, 2013 - linkPlease provide the dealer's complete address and mobile number for NVIDIA TESLA K20X in PUNE (INDIA). Regards Reply


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