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The Intel SSD DC S3700: Intel's 3rd Generation Controller Analyzedby Anand Lal Shimpi on 11/5/2012 12:01 PM EST
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DukeN - Monday, November 05, 2012 - linkNow please give us some results with benchmarks relevant to enterprise users (eg RAID performance, wear levelling vs other enterprise drives). Reply
chrone - Monday, November 05, 2012 - linkfinally getting more consistent performance over time. nice writing Anand, as always! :) Reply
edlee - Monday, November 05, 2012 - linkon paper this is very nice, but i am not having any issues with current crop of ssds.
how about intel helps design a new sata standard that supports more than 6Gbps, like 50Gbps, so its futureproof, and can put a deathblow to thunderbolt. Reply
Conficio - Monday, November 05, 2012 - linkYou realize that
* Thunderbolt is an Intel technology. So they are not looking to kill it
* That thunderbolt can rout your entire PCI bus across physical locations (6 m now, with optical cables ~100 m [if memory serves me])
* That said you want SSD interfaces going directly to the PCI bus (not invent another intermediate bus that is built for a technology (spinning disks))
* That direct PCI interfaces for SSDs is where things are going Reply
dananski - Monday, November 05, 2012 - link"...direct PCI interfaces for SSDs is where things are going"
I would like to see this become more common. There's 8Gb/s of spare PCI-E bandwidth on one slot on my machine at the moment.
But what if SSDs advance faster than even PCI-E? I wonder if they could bring the interface even closer to home by allowing NAND chips to plug into memory-like slots on the motherboard (yay easy upgrade path), with the controller integrated into the CPU? The controller should be relatively inobtrusive - how much die area would it take at 22nm? And could some of the operations run efficiently on the main CPU to cut down that die area overhead some more? Reply
JohnWinterburn - Monday, November 05, 2012 - linkAs much as fusion IO et al would like it to direct PCI interfaces are certainly not where it's going for this market.
You cant replace them easily when they break (as some are always going to when you have enough), you cant fit that many in a box, you have to rely on a single manufacturer and you're then tied into their software.
None of thats going to change any time soon, so PCI interfaced SSDs will be small scale or for specific projects. Reply
ogreslayer - Monday, November 05, 2012 - linkThat is what SATA express and SFF-8639 will be for and was announced a while ago.
Maybe not 50Gbps but at 4GB/s and providing 32Gbps it isn't a small jump. Even the 2Gbps gen3 connection isn't something to sneeze at. Reply
iwod - Monday, November 05, 2012 - linkI still fail to understand why we need SATA express and SFF-8639. When one could have ruled them all. Since the main difference between SATA and SAS is one being Half Duplex and SAS being Full Duplex. But the under lying PCI-Express protocol is Full Duplex by design, so why make another SATA express and not just use SFF-8639 ?
And I hope we start with PCI-E 3.0 too, by the time these things arrive there is no point of using the older and slower PCI-E 2.0 Reply
Kevin G - Monday, November 05, 2012 - linkLook into SATA-Express. It essentially uses two PCI-E 2.0 lanes for data transfer (16 Gbit/s with 32 Gbit/s when the spec migrates over to PCI-E 3.0). There is some backwards compatibility with SATA too.
Though SATA-Express will likely coexist with Thunderbolt. SATA Express is aimed as an internal storage solution where as Thunderbolt is aimed toward external peripherals (where storage is just one aspect). Reply
Kevin G - Monday, November 05, 2012 - linkI'm curious about the raw depth of ECC in this device. ECC on the internal SRAM is pretty much expected for enterprise grade equipment nowadays. ECC on the DRAM is also expected but I'm wondering how it is implemented. Chances are that the drive doesn't house 9 DRAM chips for traditional 72 bit wide ECC protected bus. ECC on the NAND could be implemented at the block level (576 bit blocks with 512 bit data + 64 bit ECC) but that'd require some custom NAND chips.
As for the indirect tables, I suspect that the need to be able to hold the entire table in DRAM stems from the idea of table having to optimize the copy in NAND. Optimizing here can likely be done without the massive DRAM cache but I suspect that the optimization process would require too many read/writes to the point it'd be detrimental to the drives life span. Reply
blackbrrd - Monday, November 05, 2012 - linkSounds like a huge improvement for databases. The write endurance looks phenomenal! Reply
FunBunny2 - Monday, November 05, 2012 - linkWhat he said!! Reply
Guspaz - Monday, November 05, 2012 - linkI'm saddened by the increasingly enterprise-oriented focus of Intel. Their SSDs have quite a good reputation in consumer circles as providing reliable performance and operation, and their latest product line (the 330 series) definitely has consumer-level pricing. They're currently sitting at $0.78/GB on the 240GB model, which is pretty competitive with the rest of the market.
The nice thing was that Intel is the safe bet; if you don't want to sort through all the other stuff on the market, you can feel pretty safe buying an Intel. Yes, they've had issues, but generally less than other SSD manufacturers. But with pricing like the S3700 is featuring, the days of Intel being competitive in the consumer space may be over...
I'd rather see Intel take a two-tiered approach. By all means, keep putting out the enterprise drives for the high margins, but also keep a toe in the consumer market; they'll get a good deal of sales there based on their reputation alone. Reply
karasaj - Monday, November 05, 2012 - linkJust because this is an enterprise SSD doesn't mean that Intel is 100% abandoning the consumer market y'know. They can focus on enterprise but still release consumer SSDs. Reply
martyrant - Monday, November 05, 2012 - link$235 at launch for a 100GB performance SSD will not seem too bad to the enthusiast "consumer" circle. That will, of course, drop over time, and bring it within the means of even more budget minded enthusiasts. It was not long ago people were shelling out $200-250 for 80GB Intel X-25M / G2s. I still have two in RAID 0 that I just replaced this last weekend with 4x128GB Samsung 830s in RAID 0 (for $70/piece, that's not a bad 512GB [unformatted] setup). My girlfriend's PC is inheriting the G2's. While $235 for 100GB is still on the high end, I'm sure there will be people who will pay that in the consumer market when they launch if they really do solve some of the IO issues (I have noticed quite a few with Windows 8, not so much in Windows 7 remarkably...but Win8 has serious DPC issues to begin with). Reply
Omoronovo - Monday, November 05, 2012 - linkWindows 8 has no DPC issues. There are no updated applications that can measure DPC correctly with the deferred timing in the Windows 8 kernel, making it appear to have a constant/high DPC.
Additionally, DPC latency has nothing to do with disk accesses. Disk accesses are not a function of interrupts in the kernel, unlike audio and video. Reply
Kjella - Monday, November 05, 2012 - linkWith the market going to even smaller process sizes and TLC the drives can't take enthusiast use anyway, my SSD life meter tells me my drive is going to die after 3.5 years - and that's after I worn out one in 1.5 years being nasty with it. Right now my C: drive is 83GB... 100GB is maybe cutting it a little short, I'd like at least 150GB, but otherwise yeah this is a drive I could want. Reply
ExarKun333 - Monday, November 05, 2012 - linkMuch of the enterprise offerings end-up trickling down to consumer products. Just be patient. :) Reply
Beenthere - Monday, November 05, 2012 - linkNo offense intended but it's totally inaccurate to state that "Intel is the safe bet". They have had issues with their consumer grade SSDs like most other SSD suppliers who rush products to market without proper validation. I would not trust an Intel SSD any more than most of the other drives with few exceptions. Until an SSD company proves their product in fully compatible, reliable, doesn't change size or lose data, or disappear from they system, I'm not buying the hype.
I'm from Missouri - the SHOW ME state. Reply
martyrant - Monday, November 05, 2012 - linkSo are you speaking from personal experience with Intel SSDs since you are from the "SHOW ME" state?
I have 4 Intel SSDs (two G2s, two 320s) and have had zero issues with them. I bought four OCZ Vertex 4s a little over a month ago and returned all four of them because of compatibility issues and consistently appearing/disappearing in single and RAID configurations in multiple computer setups. I'd also owned a 64GB OCZ V2 that I've since given away (RMA'd it 3 times it kept dying, didn't care to bother with it after that). I have had zero issues with the Intel SSDs and am hoping to find the same reliability with the 830s I just upgraded to.
Also, if you actually looked / did some research you would find that Intel has had a lot less issues (even though they have had some of the same Sandforce issues as other mfgs) than other companies....sometimes claiming you sit around waiting for someone to "SHOW" you the proof it sounds like you are couch potato who still cares who wins the election because you actually think one is different than the other...and msnbc/cnn/fox/history/discovery/comedy central told you so (just saying, going out and gathering your own empirical information is worth it sometimes). Reply
Impulses - Monday, November 05, 2012 - linkI'd say Samsung is about on par with Intel if you look at the number of major bugs requiring immediate firmware updates etc. Intel's rep took a bit of a hit when even they couldn't release an entirely bug free Sandforce drive IMO (though it wasn't a surprise). Reply
Death666Angel - Tuesday, November 06, 2012 - linkNot to mention the 8MB bug with their own controller. No product is safe, but Samsung, Intel, Crucial and Plextor seem the safest, with Samsung and Crucial being also very price competitive. But that's just how I see it. :D I have had 2 OCZ drives and not a single problem with either. Reply
Taft12 - Monday, November 05, 2012 - linkWhy are you complaining about scenarios that don't exist??
"But with pricing like the S3700 is featuring, the days of Intel being competitive in the consumer space may be over..."
"I'd rather see Intel take a two-tiered approach. By all means, keep putting out the enterprise drives for the high margins, but also keep a toe in the consumer market."
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT INTEL HAS RIGHT NOW! And no indication that will change. This doesn't just apply to the SSD space, they've had separate consumer and server CPU lines for decades. Reply
chrnochime - Monday, November 05, 2012 - linkOr just pay more for enterprise. Not like it isn't going to keep dropping in price anyway. Reply
philipma1957 - Monday, November 05, 2012 - linkMy usage would take 10 or more years to kill this ssd. 800 gb would be pricey but a 400gb for 700 on a sale would be very tempting. Reply
MrSpadge - Tuesday, November 06, 2012 - linkSpending big on a drive with strong endurance, hoping it will last 10 years, doesn't sound like a good idea to me. Reasons:
- other parts of the SSD may fail rather than NAND wear out
- performance and price are still developing so rapidly that you probably won't want to use this drive in 5 years anymore anyway
- see it lke this: if instead of paying 700$ now you'd go for a smaller drive with less endurance at 350$ you can use that 350$ (+interest) to buy a new drive in 5 years (if your SSD is really worn out by then). This one should be way faster and much bigger than the original drive, providing you much better value for the next 5 years. Plus if the old drive still works you could still use it in a less "enthusiastic" configuration. Reply
mayankleoboy1 - Monday, November 05, 2012 - linkSo intel is proud that it keeps no user data on the DRAM.
But what about /sandforce and Marvell controllers ? Do they use DRAM for caching userdata ?
Is this configurable by the OEM ? Reply
Death666Angel - Tuesday, November 06, 2012 - linkAs far as I know, everyone in the consumer space but Intel chaches user data in the DRAM and they aren't dodging that either. For normal consumer use, I don't see why that would be any issue either. If you are worried about that last bit of data integrity, get an enterprise solution or a UPS, which should solve the issue, too. :) Reply
kaix2 - Monday, November 05, 2012 - linkThe new controller sounds very promising for all of us who have been waiting for a new Intel controller. I would expect Intel's consumer drives to eventually get the same controller and as far as the price concern, I bet most of the price premium is really from HET-MLC NAND vs regular MLC NAND. Regular consumers don't need 10 drive write per day and the drives should be much cheaper with just regular MLC NAND. Reply
cdillon - Monday, November 05, 2012 - linkNot caching user data writes in DRAM so that you can't lose them when the power goes out is all well and good, but what happens with indirection table updates which will have to happen AT THE SAME TIME and are inextricably linked? Losing an indirection table mapping to new user data that was just written is no less bad than losing the actual user data, because either way you're losing the data.
Intel has two options here... They can either write indirection table updates directly to NAND at the same time as the user data, or they can cache the indirection table updates only in DRAM and then write them to flash later. Obviously the former is the safest option and I presume this is what Intel is doing, but I've never seen anybody mention how they handle protecting the mapping table updates on any SSD, since they can arguably be MORE important than a little bit of user data due to the risk of losing absolutely everything on the drive if the table gets completely out of whack. Reply
Kevin G - Monday, November 05, 2012 - linkThere is mention of a large capacitor to allow for writing the cache to NAND in the event of a power failure.
There are a couple of things Intel can do in this event to eliminate the possibility of cache corruption.
First is write though of any immediate change to the indirection tables. The problem of coherence between the cache and NAND would still exist but wouldn't require writing the entire cache to NAND. Making the DRAM cache write through would impact the write/erase cycles of the drive but I'm uncertain of the magnitude in comparison to heavy write IO.
The second option is that if the DRAM is used to create an optimized version of the directory tables for read only purposes, the old table in the NAND would still be valid (unless there needs to be change due to a write). Thus power loss would only lose the optimized table in DRAM but the unoptimized would still be functional in the NAND.
The third option involves optimized tables being written to disk while the unoptimized version is still in use in NAND. The last operation of writing the optimized indirection table to disk would be switching the status of what table is in active use. Thus only the optimized table is put into use after it has successfully been written to NAND. Sudden power failure in this process wouldn't impact the drive.
A fourth idea that comes to mind would be to make a reservation where the next optimized table would exist in NAND. Thus in the event of a sudden power failure, the SSD will use the unoptimized indirection tables but be able to see if anything has been written to the reserved space - it would know if it suffered a power loss and any recovery actions as necessary. This would eat space as the active table, a table being written and space for a future to be written would be 'in use'. Reply
cdillon - Monday, November 05, 2012 - linkPersonally, I don't care if an SSD stores my user data (acknowledged writes, specifically) and/or internal metadata in a DRAM cache as long as it is battery and/or capacitor backed so that cache can be flushed to NAND after a power failure.
I think what I originally intended to say in my first comment was if Intel is not caching user data in DRAM, then what ARE they caching in DRAM that requires the super-capacitors to give them time to write it to NAND? If it isn't user data, then it must be the indirection tables or some other critical internal metadata. This internal metadata is at least as important as the user data itself, so why even make the distinction? The distinction stinks to me as either a marketing ploy or catering to some outdated PHB "requirement" that they need to meet in order to actually sell these drives to some enterprises. I'm not saying it's bad, just odd and probably non-optimal. Reply
Kevin G - Monday, November 05, 2012 - linkIt is likely buffering the indirection table writes to reduce the number of NAND writes. Essentially it helps with the drives overall endurance. How much so would be dependent on just how frequently the indirection table is written to.
The other distinction is that they could be hitting a access time limitation by reading the indirection tables from NAND and then reading the data. By caching this in DRAM, the controller can lower access latencies to the NAND itself. Reply
nexox - Monday, November 05, 2012 - linkNot storing user data in DRAM still helps - it forces the drive controller to actually operate efficiently instead of just fixing problems with more write cache. The indirection table doesn't change all that fast, so there won't be that much of it to flush out to NAND on power loss, but it's easy to built up a lot of user data in write cache, which requires that much more capacitance to get durably written.
And FYI, many SSDs will acknowledge a write when the data hits NAND durably, but will not guarantee that the corresponding indirection table entry is durably stored, so on power failure some blocks may appear to revert to their old state, from before the synced write took place. Reply
Death666Angel - Tuesday, November 06, 2012 - link"Not storing user data in DRAM still helps - it forces the drive controller to actually operate efficiently instead of just fixing problems with more write cache."
And why should I care how the problem is fixed?
Efficient programming or throwing more hardware at the problem is the same thing for 99% of the usage cases. If maybe power consumption is a problem, then one solution might work better than another, but for the most part, a fix is a fix, at least in my book. Reply
Kevin G - Tuesday, November 06, 2012 - linkHow the problem is fixed would matter to enterprise environments where reliability reigns supreme. How an issue is fixed in this area matters in the context of it happening again, just under different circumstances.
In this example, throwing more DRAM as a write cache for SSD's would be appropriate for consumers to address the issue but not necessarily the enterprise market. Keeping data in flash maintains data integrity which matters in scenarios of sudden power failure. The thing is that enterprise markets have a different usage scenario where the large write buffer that resolved the issue for consumers could still an issue at the enterprise level (ie the SSD would need an even larger DRAM buffer). Reply
Bullwinkle J Moose - Monday, November 05, 2012 - linkDid I miss something?
With 1:1 mapping, this this sounds like the Worlds first truly O.S. agnostic controller
Does it require an O.S. with Trim or a partition offset for XP use, or did Intel just make the Worlds first universal SSD?
The 320 may have handled partition offsets internally but still required Trim for best performance
Please correct me if I'm wrong Reply
jwilliams4200 - Tuesday, November 06, 2012 - linkYou're wrong. You have misunderstood how the indirection table works. Reply
iwod - Monday, November 05, 2012 - linkThe only new, and truly innovation in this controller is the actually the software side of thing. 1:1 mapping and basically super fast storage table for updating, deleting by ECC RAM.
Couldn't 70 - 90% of this performance gain be implemented with other controller if they had large enough ECC DRAM?
Please correct me if I'm wrong
And what are the variation of Random I/O in other Enterprise Class SSD like Fusion IO? Reply
MrSpadge - Tuesday, November 06, 2012 - linkTo me it sounds like this change requires an entirely different controller design, or at least a checking & rethinking of major parts. Intel surely didn't tell us everything that changed, just the most important result of the changes. Reply
nathanddrews - Tuesday, November 06, 2012 - linkC'mon, man! You're killing me! XD Reply
Pandaschnitzel - Thursday, November 08, 2012 - linkIf the encryption is based on SED I would like to see another comparison. Windows 8 and the Bitlocker allow drive encryption like Truecrypt. The difference is that the Bitlocker can use the TPM of the motherboard. With an SSD based on the SED standard the TPM could directly use the hardware encryption of the SSD bypassing the CPU. This should result in significant performance gains compared to standard encryption. Here the penalty of encryption would be interesting. The new Bitlocker also allows to only encrypt the used sectors. This is very important for SSDs because previously the whole drive was encrpted which had negative impact on SSDs - at least without massive overprovisioning. Reply
jamescox - Friday, March 01, 2013 - link
I don't care about battery life too much. I mostly have my laptop plugged in. I don't think I would have issues with write endurance of a lower priced drive, but I would pay significantly more for higher reliability (no crashes, hangs, or data corruption). I think the consistent response time would be a big plus, especially if the drive was being used for swap space.
Would something like the 100 GB version take too much power? It looks like the max power consumption is only around 3 W for the 100GB version, compared to 0.6 to 0.9 for more other consumer drives. It seems to be selling for more than MSRP ($235) right now though. About $270 is the lowest I have seen for 100 GB version. Reply


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Microsoft Announces Windows Phone 8.1by Brett Howse on 4/2/2014 11:20 PM EST
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blackmagnum - Wednesday, April 02, 2014 - linkWill WP 8.1 support my Lumia 520? Reply
euskalzabe - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - linkYes, it will be available for every single WP8 in existence. Reply
Stubbazubba - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - linkI thought it was just every Lumia. Either way, yes, the 520/521 will get it. I read that Elop even had a 521 running 8.1 on stage. Reply
ObstinateMuon - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - linkI think universal apps is the killer app that the Windows ecosystem needs.
Is it just me and my sleep deprivation or does this article have double spaces after each sentence? Reply
pattycake0147 - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - linkYup two taps of the spacebar between sentences. Growing up I was taught that's the proper way to type papers. Although, I'm not sure how often the practice gets used. Reply
teiglin - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - linkI still type that way too. Many systems just don't display the extra space (writing pure html like that is a pain) and last time I used Word it autocorrected away the extra space. It is quite noticeable here; perhaps Anandtech writers should have style guide for consistency's sake. Reply
Myrandex - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - linkSame here I was taught it was proper and still do it to this day. Reply
uhuznaa - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - linkIn HTML one, two or 12 spaces do not make any difference. In this article there's " " trailing each full stop. Never saw anyone going to such lengths to emulate what might have made sense with back then with typewriters... Reply
mkozakewich - Sunday, April 06, 2014 - linkIt's a throwback to the typewriter days, basically. It's kind of funny that people are still doing that today; kind of Cargo Cult. Reply
Ian Cutress - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - linkI always write with double spaces after periods. It's how I was taught to write, and it's a very hard habit to break out of. Go back through most of my reviews here and that is how it is. For me a double space after a period clearly defines the end of a sentence - one space and it could be mistaken for a comma if skim reading. Also aids reading aloud in adjusting sentence tone. Some people cant really stand it. MS Word will do either single or double, as long as you are consistent. Copy pasting double spaced from word into our AnandTech engine keeps the double spacing (it'll add a non-breaking space to create the effect). Reply
Gigaplex - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - linkThat's really something that should be controlled by a layout engine, rather than manually hitting space twice while generating the content. Reply
mkozakewich - Sunday, April 06, 2014 - linkWell, manually pressing the spacebar twice is something of an autonomic response for most people who do it. A layout engine should be made to strip that out, in general, unless a particular organizational guideline requires it (in which case it should add it to all sentences that don't have it). Reply
nathanddrews - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - linkMy wife gives me crap for double-spacing in text messages. I can't help it!
On topic, does Jen Taylor do all the Cortana speech on the platform? If they had her doing the voicework and I could get her to call me "Chief", I would probably buy a WP tomorrow. Reply
Myrandex - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - linkYes it was confirmed she is doing it. Reply
relentlessfocus - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - linkIn traditional typesetting there was only a single space after a period. But typesetting had the ability to flexibly adjust the space between adjacent individual letters to compensate for their relative different sizes. Typewriters are monospaced, all letters take up the same space whether an I or a W. As a result it became necessary to add a second space after a period to make text easier to read.
Those of us who learned to type on typewriters were taught by typing teachers who knew the ins and outs of asdf typewriters but knew little or nothing about good typography. Underlining titles is another example of bad typography but necessary typing style for typewriters which originally didn't have italics.
Computers since the earliest Macintosh had the ability to correctly adjust the space between letters as they appear in typeset pages. At the time this was a big deal, a Great Leap Forward in professional looking print (along with the fine type quality of laser printers and the postscript language from adobe)
Professional typographers work hard to have eye friendly uniform spacing between letter pairs. A printed page with doublespacing after periods has an uneven look, rivulets of whitespace which to the trained eye looks unprofessional.
You are of course free to ignore good typography and may even prefer what you're familiar with. But slowly doublespacing belongs to the age of slicked pompedours and beehive hairdos. Reply
R0H1T - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - linkI'd say this was always the plan MS had for win8, I predicted this on AT forums last year, & the fact that they have a PC monopoly will only help them sell more of their phones, tablets, convertibles et al based on the win8 platform. The tables will turn soon & Android will have it's work cut out btw did I mention that MS makes more through Android device sales than most phone makers do themselves, frivolous patents & all, but I guess that's an entirely separate debate! Reply
Brett Howse - Friday, April 04, 2014 - linkYou are not sleep deprived - I was taught to type that way and always have. I'll do a find/replace for all future articles I didn't mean to open up the single/double space war which apparently exists but was unknown to me! Reply
ObstinateMuon - Saturday, April 05, 2014 - linkMuch appreciated. Fixing this will eliminate the awkward white spacing in paragraphs and make your articles look more professional. Reply
PlugPulled - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - linkAwesome. I can't wait to buy Windows phone. I had enough with Android input lag and stutter and apple's non sense iOS 7 glass effect which drains battery and runs at low Fps. Reply
Bob Todd - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - linkI'm sleepy so maybe I missed it, but isn't the fact that WP8 is free to OEMs now kind of a big deal too? Reply
Silver47 - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - linkIndeed, also Windows in devices under 10" Reply
Laxaa - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - linkI'm looking forward to this, as well as the new 930 to replace my 920.
Too bad Anandtech probably won't do a full deep dive into this new OS and it's new hardware(hell, WP 8 barely got a preview) Reply
Myrandex - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - linkI know! I don't think any Lumia was ever reviewed at Anandtech (I know the 920 was not). I'd replace my 920 with one as well but it won't be available here :/ Reply
b4lr0g - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - linkDoes 8.1 improve the way the phone is backed up?
Currently it doesn't support backing up of
- Application data
- Home screen customisations.
which I sorely miss. Reply
B3an - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - linkYes it backs up everything:
http://wmpoweruser.com/backup-on-windows-phone-8-1... Reply
Jon Tseng - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - linkHave they fixed the flaky multitasking?
The one annoying thing on my Lumia 520 was poor save/restore state when you switch out of app - e.g. when listening to music when running it would often autokill and restart the app once you have flipped out to browser/maps/run tracker rather than just picking up where left off. Reply
Brian Z - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - linkI dont believe that the 520 is a good device to base that off of. It is a budget phone with only 512mb of ram. When multitasking, things are just going to have to get killed more than you would like. Reply
Gigaplex - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - linkIt's the perfect device to base that off, as devices with more RAM simply bypass the mechanism so you're not testing it. The issue remains, but is pushed further into "difficult to reproduce" territory. Reply
Duraz0rz - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - linkI think that's up to the developer to support. There's an event that fires that gives the app a chance to save its state when being tombstoned, and then another event when it resumes. Reply
Ramakrishnan M - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - linkIn India When Will WP 8.1 update..? Reply
jamyryals - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - linkThey said updates will start in May and finish this summer for all Lumia phones. Reply
Tig3RStylus - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - linkExcellent, some great announcements from Microsoft in the past days and looks like Satya's appointment has helped them learn how to better communicate. Reply
webby7 - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - linkHmmm wonder if AT will actually bother with a review this time around?
Or if you don't want to review, please don't tease us with the promise of one. Reply
justaviking - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - linkAh, the single-vs-double space war.
I am a firm believer in the double-space method, since that is how I was taught. My youngest son (in grade school) insists on single spacing.
Forget the typewriter-vs-typesetting-vs-computer stuff. Here are my two points:
a) Double-spacing more clearly delineates the end of a sentence, and sentences are a higher-level object than words, so they deserve more space between them.
Why put a blank line between paragraphs? You could single-space everything, and simply indent the first line of each paragraph. Oh, because it's easier on the eye and makes for quick scanning and fast reading.
b) When kids are taught how to write (block-style printing) in school, they are taught to put extra space between sentences. In fact, all my kids were taught to leave a "finger width" space between sentences. So why doesn't that same learning carry forward to printed material. If it helps make your text easier to read,it's a good thing.
But I won't hurt anyone just for disagreeing with me. However, maybe we should take it to the next level and simply remove all spaces. Thinkabouthowmuchtimewewouldsave. Reply
Arbie - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - linkI have a WP8 phone and like it in general.
BUT - there is no whitelist feature! It is incomprehensible to me that I can't simply limit my callers to those I want. This is a smartphone, right? It can't maintain a list of numbers? So I get dozens of spam texts and no way to prevent them. Am I, um, the only one who doesn't want spam?
Whitelist is a no-brainer feature that should be in Rev. 0 of every smartphone release. Reply
kyuu - Saturday, April 05, 2014 - linkIt's incomprehensible that anyone would want to impair their phone's ability to receive calls/texts from anyone but a small subset of numbers, but I guess that's your prerogative.
The more sensible option, as far as I'm concerned, is to use a blacklist to selectively block numbers. That feature does exist in WP8. Reply
hangfirew8 - Monday, April 14, 2014 - linkIf you provide a child (or other limited function person) with a phone, unless the blacklist has some serious wildcard features, you'll understand the absolute need for a whitelist. Reply
SkyBill40 - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - linkHaving watched the development of WP since its inception, it's been an interesting journey to this point.This iteration looks like the real game changer for them. Had I not decided to get a Samsung Note 3 and if Verizon had a better selection of WP devices, I may have jumped over. Oh, well. I suppose there's always my next phone... Reply
Duraz0rz - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - linkVerizon has the Lumia Icon now, which is basically the Lumia 930. I have one of them and they are fantastic! Reply
SkyBill40 - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - linkI've not looked into that one but it's still not the 1020 or 1520, both of which are superior devices. Still, I think I got a better phone in my Note 3. We'll see what happens in the years to come. I'm interested, for sure, but not completely sold on WP yet. Reply
Braumin - Friday, April 04, 2014 - linkIt's actually the exact same insides as the 1520. Same SoC, same camera, just in a 5" package not 6".
I agree the 1520 is slightly superior due to SD support and Glance screen. Reply
kyuu - Saturday, April 05, 2014 - linkThe 1020 is only superior as far as the camera goes -- I would fully support the notion that they need an updated 1020. The 1520 is only superior as far as size (and that's only a plus if you like the phablet form factor), microSD (always a plus), and Glance support (I suspect the lack of Glance support in the Icon has something to do with Verizon being dipshits as usual), but is otherwise the same phone as the Icon. Reply
Duraz0rz - Monday, April 07, 2014 - linkThe 1520 and the Icon share the same SoC and camera, although the 1520 has both a MicroSD slot and Glance support (neither of which I really miss). The Icon is Verizon only, whereas the 1520 is AT&T.
The 1020 has the vastly superior camera, but the same SoC as the 92x series. Reply
Hrel - Thursday, April 03, 2014 - linkXbone* Reply
hangfirew8 - Monday, April 14, 2014 - linkIs AT&T blocking Data Sense again, or are they allowing users to see how much data they are using this time? (I had to ditch AT&T because of this issue and a still-unknown runaway data vampire). Reply
Brett Howse - Tuesday, April 15, 2014 - linkI'm not on AT&T to verify, but I've seen reports that as of 8.1 Data Sense is available on AT&T. It may go away though when the firmware updates come out though we can't be sure until that happens. Reply
hangfirew8 - Tuesday, April 15, 2014 - linkI wonder if Microsoft realized how much AT&T is damaging their brand with this strategy. It forced us off AT&T and I never fail to worn everyone I know who is interested in smart phones (pretty much everybody) not to buy an AT&T Microsoft phone unless you really, really enjoy paying data overages for mysterious reasons. Reply


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Nokia Lumia 900 Review - Windows Phone with LTEby Brian Klug on 4/3/2012 9:00 PM EST
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Denithor - Tuesday, April 03, 2012 - linkKinda sucks. You put in three Nokia models? Why not a comparison to other phones US buyers are likely to be considering? I know the specs are available but it makes for a much quicker reference. Reply
Brian Klug - Tuesday, April 03, 2012 - linkThat's a valid point, and honestly picking the phones for the comparison table is always a bit of a struggle, I just wanted to show how the other Nokia WP7 devices line up in comparison with the flagship. Perhaps another one with Galaxy Nexus GSM/UMTS and iPhone 4S? I mean we've shown those in tables many, many times.
-Brian Reply
Operandi - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkUhh.. yeah I would say so. This is the only WP7 I would ever consider, the others migh as well not exist frankly. Reply
abhaxus - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkWhat he said. This phone is sexy, I'd like to see it's size compared to other sexy handsets. Most WP7 handsets are... plain. Reply
niva - Thursday, April 05, 2012 - linkPerformance wise it's not much different from the 710 or the 800, which are both phones worth considering. I think the 800 is better than the 900, but I prefer smaller phones. I think I might just bite the bullet and settle on the 710. Reply
geddarkstorm - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkWhy is no one mentioning the absolutely abysmal battery life of this phone? It's at the very bottom of the tethering chart for instance. I don't see this phone rising above the lower half of the tests in anything other than 4G. And who really wants a phone with sharp corners and no sense of hand ergonomics?
Can't wait for Windows 8, and good hardware. Reply
seanleeforever - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkthat and this phone is actually slower than it looks on the chart.
great review, but the chart is seriously outdated.
take my HTC sensation for example, i just run the sun spider 0.91 and i get 1935ms and browsermark of 77138 with andriod STOCK browser. my phone does have ICS and ARHD rom, but if you honestly think a mod rom would somehow increase the phone performance by 94% faster (39768 on your chart vs 77138 i get), or by 221% faster(6217.4ms vs 1935 ms), you must be drunk.
this is with ICS stock browser, i think if you updated your chart, you will find windows phone will looks even worse (a lot worse) than it is now. Reply
dtolios - Friday, April 06, 2012 - link"who really wants a phone with sharp corners and no sense of hand ergonomics?"
- It has hard corners - where you DON'T hold the phone from...iPhone 4 series has sharper edges - where you do hold the phone from...If that's not an issue - and marketing wise clearly it's not - then the 900 is fine. Afaik most ppl really like the design, and so do I. Reply
UltraTech79 - Saturday, April 07, 2012 - linkYeah iPhone 4 has sharp edges, if it weren't for all the rounded edges. And who are you to tell us how to hold a phone? Never played any games on a phone have you?
Its badly designed. Reply
Spunjji - Wednesday, April 11, 2012 - linkWho are *you* to tell us how to hold a phone?
See how easy that was? Try a better argument. You had a valid point (worse gaming ergonomics) until you made yourself sound like an idiot (opinion as fact, referring to meaningless notions of sales figures). Reply
UltraTech79 - Saturday, April 07, 2012 - linkAlso, no most people do NOT like the design, else they would be buying these and not Droids/iPhones by the truckload. Reply
jmcb - Tuesday, April 10, 2012 - linkTo me battery life on WP7 has never been as great as many claim since WP7 launched. I usually reference this site for results, debates.
Battery life is part of my deal breakers for any phone. Reply
gamoniac - Tuesday, April 03, 2012 - link[quoteThe article: ]...the only major gripes I have with Nokia Drive are that the application arguably should change between night and daytime map colors automatically...[/quote]
I checked out this feature at the store, I think WP7 should let you decide whether to let the map color or to set it to manual mode. Some people might find the daylight map easier to read during the night. Reply
vision33r - Tuesday, April 03, 2012 - linkWell, in general if Android doesn't suck so much none of us really need a quad-core phone. Clearly WP is much more efficient platform than Android today so a single-core phone can be this solid and for most people this translates to feeling faster than most Android phones that lags when apps are running and sans performance.
Nearly every Android device I've used today needs manual management in order to run smoothly. Letting a single widget or app sitting background too long, battery life and performance suffers. Android's entire ecosystem is to blame for faulty app coding to OS builds rigged with bloatware.
This is a refreshing device, hopefully people will not care about the specs and embrace efficiency and good hardware and software designs. Reply
gamoniac - Tuesday, April 03, 2012 - linkI totally agree. I am held back from jumping on a WP7 for two reasons: WP8 is coming and a dual-core WP would be great.
I respect AnandTech's spirit of journalism that makes it stand out among review sites. At the same time, I wonder if there is a fair way to rate the phone based on total user experience, in a somewhat quantifiable way, as opposed to core count or a simple opinion. Perhaps a weighted score of each of the categories, although that could still be subjective. Perhaps a short video review? Maybe some AT readers have some brilliant ideas to share. Reply
davepermen - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linka total user experience rating?
here it is:
always smooth, always instant, never stuttering.
why should I care about "faster hardware" if the phone is already perfoming at it's best possible speed?
this rating is based on the lumia 800 i own.
i've yet to find an android phone as smooth and fast as the lumia 800.
i can't wait for apollo, out of the curiosity of what's all in there, and all those tiny features that a win8 kernel brings (WPS for Wifi connection, for example, proper windows updates, etc).
but at no point i wait for apollo to "get a fast phone". because i already have that. Reply
french toast - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkYes good point..its efficient and fast..but too be honst Meego and even Symbian is even faster still..running on even worse hardware than this....
The point is smoothness and efficiency is great...brilliant, but what about things like batterylife? HD displays? powerfull apps and GAMES?? 1080p video recording and editing?? True multitasking?? its not all just about sending a few emails, checking facebook, and floating around in the opererating system...on android and ios you can do soo much more than that...the apps are much better..and the games are just not possible at smooth frame rates on that crappy Snapdragon.
About the efficiency...you realise that now ICSv 4 has been released and Tegra 3/Snapdragon S4 have been loaded...that lag is a non issue anymore??
Even with giant HD display...and the resource hungry Sense overlay..a mobile phone has NEVER looked so good and been so slick..WHILST DOING COMPLICATED THINGS (thats the kicker that seperates a SMARTPHONE from FEATURE PHONE)
For the record im not anti Nokia or anti microsoft..im a fan of both..and will be buying WP8...this is actually the first WP7 device that i would own...as Anand says, considering the 1 year to get this from design to market..and considering the crap components Nokia has to work with..this Nokia 900 is a revelation..Can't wait till Q4 ;)
For a comparison..this is what a modern Android SMARTPHONE is comapred to the best WP7 has to offer;
Note, that despite hulking around a massive 4.7 HD screen, a quad core tEGRA 3 processor 1gb ram..and the same size battery..the ONE X likely gets much better batterylife than this Lumia 900...(after the OTA firmware update, early reviews had average battery because of this) Reply
gamoniac - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkThose are great review videos. Thanks for the links. HTC One X is quite an impressive piece of device, I must say. As an android user who is not so happy, I can see that ICS has improved quite a bit. Reply
leexgx - Friday, April 06, 2012 - linkstill the hardware requirement to make it smooth is very bad for android, Tegra 3 + android = smooth , any thing els is hit or miss
every thing on windows 7 phones are GPU driven so no lag due to that and the basic hardware is set quite high (but users thing its low not sure what Dual core win7phones will do), compared to android where any thing goes so you end up with lackluster phones when they should not be even when they are dual core or higher as most apps are not GPU driven they can stall and make the phone laggy (Slow NAND as well i see a lot on android as well)
when my phone contract runs out i most likely get an windows phone as i need the calendar cant use the one quickly on android (i have always used an windows Mobile device before, i broke the screen on my last one and ended up with an 8520 as an test then 9870 as i got used and liked it, but i do prefer windows phones) Reply
sonicmerlin - Saturday, April 07, 2012 - linkHTC One X doesn't get better battery life. You missed the line where Brian states subjectively the battery life of the Lumia 900 is much better than the tests suggest.
One of the aggravations of Android is that standby drains huge amounts of battery. Leaving radios on, having widgets running in the background, keeping data and background sync on, etc. drain your battery like a fiend even while your phone is on standby.
WP7 and iOS don't suffer from these issues (iOS fixed them in firmware 5.1, Nokia fixed them after 5 firmware updates to the Lumia 800), and over the course of a day will last you much, much longer than any Android phone. Reply
sonicmerlin - Saturday, April 07, 2012 - linkAlso even on the S4 Android isn't smooth. Look at how much of a delay occurs between when you swipe your finger and the screen finally responds with movement. There's really just no comparison to a proper OS that prioritizes the UI thread. Reply
crispbp04 - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkI have the HTC titan and I use it all day every day. It's always fast, always smooth, always fun to use, and if I forget to plug it in at night I can still use it the entire next day. Android made me want to punch myself in the face after it turned to junk after 2 weeks. I was flashing a new rom on it every other day and spending hours customizing it.... now I get to spend that time actually ENJOYING my phone.
I have never once said "I wish my phone was faster". I've never felt like my phone needed a dual core because WP7 has an awesome staff of engineers making sure the user experience is the #1 focus.
I am getting the Lumia 900 because it has LTE and is one sexy ass phone. I'm waiting for the white one to launch though because it is absolutely gorgeous. I am going to whore out my Titan to my friends who have been dying to try out the WP ever since I got it. Reply
Beerfloat - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkThe experiences you claim seem highly exaggerated at best. Is this a genuine post or more astroturf?
http://www.moneylife.in/article/nokia-lumia-800-wh... Reply
crispbp04 - Tuesday, April 10, 2012 - linkI can demo my phone to you if it'll make you feel better. Want me to make a youtube video for you? I have the following devices:
1) HTC HD2 running windows phone mango
2) Samsung focus
3) HTC Titan
4) Blackberry Bold (work phone)
I went to the AT&T store and did NOT purchase the lumia only because the Ttitan II was so much better than I expected. Now I am waiting until the white lumia comes out to see if it sways me back to the lumia, otherwise I'm getting the Titan II Reply
bplewis24 - Tuesday, April 03, 2012 - link@ vision
You either don't know what you're doing or have no idea what you're talking about. You should probably stop posting FUD and flat out lies. Reply
Iketh - Tuesday, April 03, 2012 - linkI have both an Android (wife uses it) and WP device, and Android absolutely sucks. It's getting replaced as soon as AT&T allows it.
Vision is 100% accurate. Reply
jmcb - Tuesday, April 10, 2012 - linkThe problem with vision's post is he said every Android phone he's used. Well...... every Android phone he's used does not equal all Android phones.
I can tell you that Android doesnt absolutely suck...thats just your opinion. WP7 might be smoother, has less lag than most Android phones....but that doesnt make up the entire user experience.
Kids mother has a Nexus S and an iPhone 4. She likes her iPhone 4 more cuz she says the Nexus S sticks, gets stuck too much. I assume she means lag. After using both....I would go with the Nexus S. Based on my wants n needs.
One thing we gotta remember is everybody doesnt have the same wants n needs. If that was the case...we would all have iPhones now. I'm talking about before Android even came out.... we would all have iPhones. Reply
sprockkets - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - link"Well, in general if Android doesn't suck so much none of us really need a quad-core phone. Clearly WP is much more efficient platform than Android today so a single-core phone can be this solid and for most people this translates to feeling faster than most Android phones that lags when apps are running and sans performance."
It's called the GUI is GPU accelerated. Already solved in ICS. It was sorely needed, yes. But I'm willing to bet people will still harp about this even with the HTC One series and new Samsungs come out.
"Nearly every Android device I've used today needs manual management in order to run smoothly. Letting a single widget or app sitting background too long, battery life and performance suffers. Android's entire ecosystem is to blame for faulty app coding to OS builds rigged with bloatware."
Sorry to hear that one widget is killing your phone. I have 3 of them and I'm on to day 3 of my battery life with 3G and Wifi on with sync.
"Bloatware" is also no longer an issue either with ICS.
Hey, whatever floats your boat, go with it. I personally cannot tolerate the GUI on WP7 past 2 minutes. Reply
eddman - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - link"It's called the GUI is GPU accelerated. Already solved in ICS."
Actually it was/is not just that. It's an underlying OS issue.
For a fair comparison, flash ICS on a 1 GHz single-core (preferably snapdragon) android phone with 512 MB memory and then compare to a 1 GHz WP. Reply
Exodite - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkYou don't need ICS for Android to compare well in such a situation, you just need a device that has had at least moderate optimizations towards the actual hardware.
Ie. probably not a LG device, or one mangled too much by the carrier. Reply
lunarx3dfx - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkI agree with edd. I recently bought a focus flash after using a Nexus S for almost a year, and even with ics the Nexus wasn't anywhere near as smooth as WP7 is. Sure, gpu acceleration helped, but there are other underlying problems in Android.
That being said however, I will probably be getting the HTC ONE X or the US GSM Galaxy Nexus (if it ever launches) because the one area WP really lacks is in providing features for power users. It is a beautiful os, and as a whole I really enjoy it, but I miss being able to customize everything like I could on android. Reply
papatom - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkBesides there is a lot more that the underlying OS has to offer.
Let's see how WP subjective performance changes (tanks?) when Microsoft adds all those features.
They will bring the platform in-line feature wise, won't they?
Another thing, as pointed by Exodite, is that the first crop of WP phones - at least reference ones - comes from Nokia, and is polished to the point OS permits. Reply
sprockkets - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkI'm at 1.2ghz and 768 memory with only around 400 available for me to use! Sure it's dual core, but again, the GPU does its job now.
Here, read this from an actual developer of Android.
https://plus.google.com/105051985738280261832/post... Reply
mutatio - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkCareful, Vision, that comes awful close to complimenting Apple's approach since day one of the iPhone. ;-) Reply
Exodite - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkAh yes, the wonders of anecdotal evidence and conjecture.
Incidentially I have an Android phone based on very similar hardware, an 1GHz Qualcomm S2 SoC, 512MB memory and a FWVGA display.
And it runs absolutely beautifully.
It's the SE arc though, kinda funny how the old guard in phones still seem to come up with some of the best solutions. Reply
designerfx - Friday, April 06, 2012 - linkwow, really?
do you understand the point of quad core? it's not performance, it's more power savings.
WP is not more efficient than anyone - if you think it is the OS, you don't understand that probably 99% of the performance (positive or negative) is based on the chips in the phone and that's it. Reply
crispbp04 - Tuesday, April 10, 2012 - linkYou are clueless so please don't speak on subjects you have no idea about. Do you even know what a scheduling is? Maybe when you get an education some day after you graduate high school you'll understand how an operating system works.
Saying performance is all hardware is like saying strengh is everything. try holding a 25lb weight 2 feet from you with your arms extended, then hold the same weight to your chest. What is easier? Reply
eddman - Tuesday, April 03, 2012 - linkWhy talk time and 3G web browsing battery times are so low, compared to phones with a similar display and a similar or smaller battery?
Is this one of the pitfalls of using a dedicated baseband chip? Reply
Brian Klug - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkBasically that, and again that we're talking about (at least for the cellular page loading tests) the same display being the majority of power draw.
The tethering results being so close surprised me, and I'm going to re-run the HSPA+ result just to see what was up there. Again very limited time on this review actually.
-Brian Reply
Lonegunman2012 - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkJust a quick question: What is your rush to get the review out? I look to this site for thoroughly written reviews. It's disappointing that so much was left out. I would be happy to wait longer for a review to come out if it was complete. Reply
RaistlinZ - Tuesday, April 03, 2012 - link2010 would have liked this phone. Reply
guidryp - Tuesday, April 03, 2012 - linkYeah, why are they getting a pass on a single core phone with abysmal browser performance as their flagship offering. Reply
hemmy - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkAbysmal? Please. Yes the benchmarks are poor but the browsing experience is significantly better than any Android phone with the sheer smoothness. Reply
eddman - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkI was watching a video the other day, showing scrolling and zooming in verge and engadget, which are very heavy websites, and was really surprised by how much fast and smooth WP is when it comes to browsing.
I don't suppose a single-core android phone can be that smooth. Reply
Braumin - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkBecause life isn't about benchmarks. Reply
juhatus - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkTotally wrong. Life is a benchmark.
Now I need my milliseconds back. Reply
PeteH - Thursday, April 05, 2012 - linkBut without something to measure myself against, how will I know if I'm winning? Reply
TGressus - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - link2010 would have used a browser.
Seriously though, when you have to zoom and pan to view content, doesn't it feel like you are using the wrong device to begin with? Reply
jwcalla - Tuesday, April 03, 2012 - linkAs a software developer I can say that I've had nothing but heartache dealing with Qualcomm hardware so far. Closed-up proprietary stuff with no public API to help us out seems to be the preferred mode of operation.
Ultimately a platform comes down to its developers. There are a limited number of developers and the platform that attracts the most and best from the lot is going to provide the greatest user experience. Apple figured this out long ago in the device space. Microsoft before that on the desktop. If Nokia and Microsoft understand this today, they'll do well.
I don't care how well the hardware benchmarks, we need to be treated as something other than an afterthought if you want us to develop for your platform. Reply
Braumin - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkI'm sorry how is Visual Studio not the best for developers? Are you trying to write native code to WP7? I know it can be done, but most apps don't do it.
I think the developer tools are top notch for WP7.5. Sure, there are some holes to fill (WP8) but they will get filled. Reply
nitrousoxide - Tuesday, April 03, 2012 - link"1.4GHz APQ8060"..apparently it's not dual-core. Reply
Brian Klug - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkOops, fixed! Thanks!
-Brian Reply
mister2d - Tuesday, April 03, 2012 - link@Brian Klug
You mentioned tethering in the article. Can you talk more about whether you need a separate tethering plan for the Lumia 900 or can you just enable it out of the box without a fuss.
I asking since I am considering a jump from the original unlimited plan from AT&T/iPhone.
Thanks Reply
Brian Klug - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkCorrect, just like other first-party AT&T phones it has a provisioning check to make sure you're paying a monthly rate for tethering.
Otherwise it's functionally the same as every other phone I've tested with tethering - 5 clients maximum, WPA2, etc.
-Brian Reply
jjj - Tuesday, April 03, 2012 - linkYou are way too kind with this phone.
The OS lacks so many features,the SoC is almost 2 gens behind,the recycled design is expired and fat(fat by even last year's standards) and the Windows brand can't ever be made apealing anymore.
Nokia can make nice hardware and ,i guess,we all want it to see it survive but they should have done better. Reply
Aenean144 - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkConcur.
The only modern component in the thing is LTE, and that is arguably 1 year late. The SoC is 2010 era. The display is 2011 era, and I think I'm being generous. The OS software is still running a year's worth of development late compared to competitors. Microsoft has to wake up!
Even the chassis design isn't something stunningly new. It's nicely evolved from the design language introduced in the Nokia N8 almost 2 years. So we've seen this type of design for awhile. Nokia's messaging for this phone has been all wrong. They should have never let the media overhype this product.
MS has another card they can play: an Intel x86 Windows 8 smartphone. It's coming. A stylus and x86 compatibility will be features. ;) Reply
sprockkets - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - link"I have to say that I'm impressed with how much Nokia Drive has improved since its initial launch on Windows Phone 7 with the Lumia 800. As of this writing the version is 22.214.171.1248, and it feels much more polished and responsive now since last I used it, and includes a few new features. The current version still requires you to preload maps for the regions you want over WiFi (so be sure you do this before getting in the car), but you basically get the ability to pre-cache whatever maps you want instead of hoping you have network connectivity where you're going like with Google Navigation."
You can pre cache maps as well with Google - just activate it in the labs dept, then download the area you need.
Also, stock browser on the HTC Sensation with the ICS update gets around 2000ms for sunspider. 6127ms is so outdated :) Reply
Brian Klug - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkOh I know about that, but the radius ends up being too small for it to be practical or efficient. Eg if you're trying to cache a long roadtrip whose distance exceeds the radius, you'll need to precache multiple regions as opposed to just downloading all the maps.
Also I need to update my SGS2 results with the ICS ROM. Unfortunately I had to send back the Sensation a while ago :/
-Brian Reply
sprockkets - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkThen again my HTC Sensation has maps from them (HTC Locations) and I can pre cache entire regions. Somehow it can also sync it up with Google's Navigation as well. Reply
tipoo - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkIs it enough for a map of one city at least? Reply
NeoteriX - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkGoogle Maps:
10 miles from a given point on a map.
...it's enough for all of Manhattan and nearly all of New York City. Reply
Braumin - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkMy wife has the Lumia 800. It is a great phone, and the 900 just builds on that. Thank God they got rid of the magnetic door over the USB port.
I'm excited to see what Nokia can bring to the table with WP8. I am a big fan of WP7.5, but I know it has some shortcomings. I can't see how those won't all be fixed with WP8 running on the Windows 8 kernel. Obviously Microsoft and Nokia don't want to talk about it (which is too bad) but for business reasons, it makes sense, but all the complaints about hardware should evaporate. Windows 8 already has support for high ppi displays, multicore, LTE, and everything else. Six months seems like a long time away.
The Lumia 900, especially at the price it is offered, should be a great phone for many people. I'll keep my old LG Optimus 7 until Apollo hits though. Reply
j3ff86 - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - link174 nits of brightness is super pathetic. I bet Nokia uses a very aggressive ambient light sensor like they did on the N8 and E7. You can disable the light sensor on those phones with 3rd party software but I don't know if WP7 has similar apps. Reply
kyuu - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkIt's way beyond sufficient for indoor viewing... the only place you might need more brightness is outside in daylight. I guess you missed the part where Brian said that the clearblack feature was pretty effective at reducing glare/reflections and, due to that, the display was quite visible even in the outdoor daylight setting.
If you can see the display clearly even in daylight, why would need or want more brightness? So you can drain the battery faster for no real benefit? Reply
steven75 - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkSo it's only bad in real life situations where people use their phone? Ok, then. Reply
tipoo - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkThat's not what he said. The display has one of the lowest reflection indexes in a phone or tablet, its very good at reducing glare, so even if the brightness in absolute terms is lower, in real world use its pretty good since its not competing with the sun as much. Reply
ecuador - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkEhm... You have a N9 right there? Why don't you post a review? It is way too late now, but better late than never? Reply
tipoo - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkIt's an 800 with a dead OS. There's your review :) Reply
Beerfloat - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkYou mean it's an 800 but with another dead OS right :)
But seriously, bring on the HTC One X review. Now there's a practically perfect smartphone. Reply
tipoo - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkAgreed, but I want the One X with Krait rather than Tegra 3, that one's not out yet. Reply
Beerfloat - Thursday, April 05, 2012 - linkYup, I guess there's always a next best thing around the corner in the tech industry. Krait is pretty cool. But then, A15 bundled with a fast SGX or Mali GPU will be cooler still. Tegra 3 does have the benefit of the low power 5th core, plus, for right or for wrong, Nvidia always seems to bring the little extra member benefits. Reply
tipoo - Thursday, April 05, 2012 - linkTrue, but the Krait version of the One X isn't that far away, compared to A15 and all that. The Krait One S is already shipping. And Nvidia's fifth core doesn't help it against Kraits battery life, look at the One S with Krait, it gets significantly higher life (to be fair, some will be the screen, but still). Tegra Zone optimizations apart, Krait is nearly uniformly better. Reply
jed22281 - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linktypical moronic response. Reply
ecuador - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkIf more people got their hands on the N9's it would not be a dead OS. Even people with the latest iphones are amazed when they try out the N9, something I have never seen with, say, an Android phone.
That's why I complain about tech sites not trying to give the N9 the chance that Nokia did not want it to have - it is (was?) by far the most promising mobile OS (not to mention the most open). Reply
jed22281 - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linkMaemo6x (meego-harmattan) used by the N9 is far from being the most open.
Tizen & WebOS are far more open, even Android is arguably....
If it had been given time to evolve into real MeeGo* it would've been w/o question.
There's MeeGo derivatives floating about still (MeR + Nemo/Plasma etc)
But they're more underdeveloped than they would've been, had resources not been dropped hugely in the past 14mth.
*which would've completed by July 12' at the latest w/the 1st x86 phone, after the 3rd Harmattan ph started reaching shelves. Reply
jed22281 - Sunday, April 08, 2012 - linktypical moronic response. Reply
Tujan - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkExcellent article about a cell phone from anandtech.com !
With the exception of memory bandwidth this is certainly a great little computer radio phone.
"Waiting is never easy" <- catchy. ! Reply
Origin32 - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkAnd of course half of the comments are about Android phones being slow. Yes, the UI is less smooth than iOS of WP. But I really don't care about that and I can't be the only one. In my humble opinion functionality is king, and whether my homescreen renders at 20fps or 60 doesn't really matter. Android has some great features that I am yet to see in iOS or WP. Having borrowed an iPhone for a couple hours I already found it to be incredibly constraining and the lack of a back or menu button annoyed the crap out of me. As for WP, I played around with a Lumia 800 for a while but all the sidescrolling in the homescreen and in apps was very confusing. It made the display feel too narrow.
Plus, I bet you'll all be glad we have quadcore smartphones when they've become so fast you can ditch your laptop, but of course most of you never even considered that :) Reply
valhar2000 - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkPeople around here keep talking about the superior feature set of Android. What are these features that other phone OSs don't have? Reply
Beerfloat - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkWell, HD screens for one. Grown up DPI-independent rendering for another. A choice of different form factor devices to suit various usage patterns and budgets. Multiple software stores, an enormous amount of apps, close integration with Google services (if so desired), wonderful customizability, the most straightforward interaction with other devices like PCs (it's just an USB disk drive, plus it talks CIFS).
But oh well. Reply
BabelHuber - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - link---> Can be used like a USB-stick. No iTunes/ Zune needed. Simply plug your phone into your PC and use the Explorer you like
--> I can connect USB-harddiscs to my Asus TF Prime. Like in Windows, I can messs around with a file explorer there
--> File explorer: Android has a real Linux file system. You can handle files like you have always done with computers. Hence cloud-services are not mandatory.
--> Supports SD cards including full access via file explorer
--> Allows installation of apps that were not downloaded via Google Play/ market. You can install whatever you want
--> Real multitasking
--> Allows tweaking: I have e.g. installed the rSAp-functionality on my Android phone last weekend:
I have installed new system libraries, maually replaced system files etc. to get it work.
It was a lot of effort, but at least I could do it. My warranty is gone now, though.
To sum it up: Android is like a real Personal Computer. You can do whatever you want with it, there are no restrictions whatsoever.
As a downside, you can mess up your phone completely, too. But this is the price of freedom Reply
steven75 - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkAh so all things 99% of the market doesn't need or want. Gotcha! Reply
eddman - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkiphone does not support them and still sells millions. Most people don't care about those features on a phone. Reply
ol1bit - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkI do, and I know lots of others who like that as well, otherwise, why have a smart phone? Reply
eddman - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkI said most, not all. Obviously for users who want those features, android is the only choice.
I'm just saying that the lack of those features won't necessarily impact the sales, judging from how well iphones sold and keep selling. Reply
BabelHuber - Thursday, April 05, 2012 - linkWell, from my experience some iOS-users don't even know that functionality is missing.
When I quickly use my phone as USB-stick to transmit data from one notebook to another, they even are surprised (and yes, such things don't occur often, but sometimes this comes in handy)
Or when I browse my files using an actual browser, they are surprised that I don't have to open an App first.
Some users are so locked into the Apple ecosystem that they don't even expect their smartphone to act as a small PC, even though it is one.
They act as if their phone was a fixed-function-device because of technical limitations, not because openness was omitted on purpose by the manufacturer. Reply
Xale - Friday, April 06, 2012 - linkHumerously, those aren't even Android features, but Feature Phone (Dumbphone) features.
Stuff that could be done a decade ago. Reply
TGressus - Thursday, April 05, 2012 - linkwhy indeed?
It seems like a more powerful tablet experience would serve folks better. Then the phone can go back to being a sleek and inexpensive afterthought.
What it's going to take to get there is a better tablet OS. MS is poised to bring it first, which I don't think many saw coming. Reply
tipoo - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkIts almost funny how close to Windows vs OSX vs Linux this has become. Android gives you by a landslide the most options, iOS has a great user experience but cages advanced users in a bit too much, WP7 is somewhere in the middle on both fronts.
WP7 seems to trade off absolute speed for smoothness. Looking at the browser synthetic benchmarks its much slower than even old single core Android or iOS phones, but what reviews can't show you is how well it lets you navigate pages during that loading time. Reply
Braumin - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkActually they don't show load times, every site on the earth focuses on javascript as the be all and end all for web browsing. Reply
jmcb - Tuesday, April 10, 2012 - linkYou arent the only one. If I wanted a smoother, more fluid OS I would get an iPhoen or WP7.
I need, want a lil more than that from my phone. I;m a function over form guy. Right now Android fits what I want more. Reply
snoozemode - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkFor me the biggest issue with WP is the resolution, I mean 480x800 on 4.3" is crap, at least for my eyes. Can't understand why Microsoft haven't included support for higher res in a separate update. Reply
tipoo - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkTo me, it all seems like they want to make Apollo phones look that much better in comparison, so they aren't letting Mango ones get close to the best specs. Reply
babstra - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkthe resolution of professional graphics monitors is ~100dpi. the lumia 900 resolution is 200+ dpi.
'nuff said. Reply
snoozemode - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkYou don't hold a 27" in front of your face. Enough said. Reply
N4g4rok - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkYou don't lose out on much though. 480x800 does this particular phone justice. Reply
jmcb - Tuesday, April 10, 2012 - linkI agree with this too. The resolution isnt that bad. Its the screen technology that will make a difference.... lcd, amoled, pentile or non pentile, etc. Reply
jmcb - Tuesday, April 10, 2012 - linklol...exactly. I hold my phone ALOT closer than a monitor. Reply
melgross - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkVery funny. Reply
Kjella - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkI checked here in Norway, the "$99" phone costs 4495 NOK without a subscription, for comparison the iPhone 4S is 4890 NOK. Guess they're planning to make a lot back on that subscription, either that or Microsoft/Nokia is funding one helluva campaign to stay relevant. Reply
secretmanofagent - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkJust to save some other people time, the conversion means it's about $780 US or about £490 for the Brits. Reply
FrederickL - Thursday, April 05, 2012 - link
Nokia is not seriously aiming the Lumia 900 at "other places" and your conversion to US dollars appears to include Norwegian sales tax. The real price comparison with the US market would be a touch over $600 contra the $450 unlocked that the phone is actually retailing for in the US. As far as Nokia is concerned this is the beginning of their re-entry into the US market where prices are way more advantageous than the figures you are quoting in the context of Europe. Though it has to be said that the price quoted above your posting for unlocked in Norway is actually cheaper than the cheapest iteration of the iPhone 4S. Reply
FrederickL - Thursday, April 05, 2012 - link
Hvor i Norge har du funnet den telefonen til 4495 NOK? Den laveste prisen jeg har sett er jo om lag 12000 NOK! (Spesial import - "Dustin Home").
For our American and British friends: "Where in Norway have you found that telephone for 4495 crowns? The lowest price I have seen is about 12000 NOK! (Special import - "Dustin Home", a website here in Norway). This in fact reinforces my point below - does anyone know of a European country where Nokia have *officially* launched the Lumia 900? The only prices I'm seeing on the net are "grey-market" prices - which are naturally enough somewhat eye-crossing. Reply
Kjella - Thursday, April 05, 2012 - linkIt's listed for 4495 NOK at netshop.no, not in stock though. Reply
FrederickL - Friday, April 06, 2012 - link
I see. That must be in anticipation of the official launch. I see that they are showing an "unconfirmed" in-stock date of the 17th April. It is interesting though that it has not yet shown up on "Komplett"'s radar. Reply
TEAMSWITCHER - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkAfter reading this review... who's smoked now? Reply
tipoo - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkRIM?
:P Reply
N4g4rok - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkPoor guys. Reply
PeteH - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkOuch! But true. Reply
ol1bit - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkLOL, true Reply
tipoo - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkIt seems to me like Microsoft is deliberately capping WP7 phones so that Apollo phones will look even better by comparison, with the SoC single core limitations and screen resolution caps. I wonder if this phone or other WP7 phones will be able to get WP8 then, or if that will only be on dual core phones? Reply
melgross - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkThe OS can't handle multi cores or a higher Rez. That's just the way it is. Since that's going to limit sales, why would they deliberately want to do that?
Yes, there's a fork of CE (which is what WP7 uses), which allows dual cores, but it has it's own problems as a phone OS. Reply
tipoo - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkBut I'm still wondering if current phones will be able to get WP8. Since it has a new kernel, my guess would be no. Reply
N4g4rok - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkIt's possible, but my not be a profitable. There's always that ugly little trade off between going next generation or supporting legacy hardware.
I think what they do with it will depend on how different the OS itself is in terms of features and UI. If it brings an entirely new suite of capabilities that would not be as efficient on single-core platforms, then it might not hurt to let the previous generation to go to pasture. Otherwise, they might loose that regard as an efficient handset.
Then again, who knows if the kernel in Apollo will be built with the intension to utilize dual core hardware, or if the upgraded hardware will be mainly for drawing attention from developers. Reply
Braumin - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkI don't think the kernel will matter. The new kernel will support far more hardware than the old one.
When you upgrade your PC from Windows XP to Windows 7, the kernel changes, but the hardware doesn't.
I assume that since basically there are only a couple of different hardware specs for WP7, they will make it possible. The question of course is whether the hardware vendor will bother with the upgrade. In most cases, I would say no, but I also think Nokia will be the exception.
We'll see in the fall though! Reply
ol1bit - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkYea, Microsoft is way behind in the phone game. They need to keep up, how long have they been play with WP7 now, and still no high rez or multi-core?
I think MS continues to make bad decisions. Who wanted a single threaded OS 3 years ago? They just looked at Apple current and said we like that, and lets design ours just like that.
Goggle looks to the future and started Android out multi-threaded. I hope Alppol isn't a hack job with fake multi-threading added in. Reply
robco - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkThe $99 price point is interesting, same as the iPhone 4, but with more storage and LTE. I suppose that works since they're still behind the 4S a bit.
I like WP7 and if I decide to ditch iOS, it would be my next choice. I just hope MS will support more chipsets and higher display resolutions sooner rather than later. Of course the big issue for me, and others in this area, is the carrier issue in the US. I won't go back to AT&T. For many people the reception is fine and the service tolerable, but not where I live. So far the only WP7 handsets on Sprint or VZW are even more dated.
MS has a lot of ground to gain, but it's not as if they don't have the resources to throw at it... Reply
NeoteriX - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkBrian,
Your insight into the display, and in particular, digging up the optical path of the ClearBlack technology, may be overlooked by many. But it's really something where your obvious optics education/background gives you and AnandTech significant added value over the droves of blathering nontechnical review sites and blogs.
Kudos. Reply
EddyKilowatt - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkIf this is the kudos section, let me award one too, for posting and discussing the MediaInfo screencap showing the video and audio codec settings. That too is the kind of non-blathering, solid tech info that I'm glad you guys specialize in.
(I actually googled "lumia 900 video bitrate"... and must confess I grinned a knowing grin when I saw AnandTech pop up in the first screen of hits.) Reply
name99 - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - link"Interestingly enough Nokia does note the presence of Rx diversity for WCDMA on the Lumia 900 front and center, both under their "design" tab and under Data Network on the specifications page. It's awesome to see another handset vendor realize that great cellular performance is noteworthy"
I'm rather more cynical than you. Note that they do NOT support HSPA MIMO.
My guess is that at least part of talking up their diversity antenna is specifically to deflect from that --- throw out some techno-lingo about how we have multiple antennas to "maximize RF performance" and hope no-one notices some conspicuous holes in our HSPA features. Reply
name99 - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - link"However the labeling here is actually hilarious - AT&T's WCDMA "4G" marketing carries over to the Lumia 900, so selecting "3G" from the drop down will score you a "4G" indicator in the status bar. Likewise selecting "4G" from the drop down gets you "LTE" in the status bar. Finally, a concrete example of where AT&T's re-branding marketing has resulted in an actual namespace collision!"
We have been through this a dozen times, Brian. You are just being immature if you keep pushing this point even after the relevant engineering issues have been explained to you many times.
If there is a name space collision here, it is because Nokia or MS are too stupid to understand that LTE is not the same thing as 4G, not because of an ATT fault.
ATT are major league dicks --- there's plenty about them to complain about honestly, without complaining about stupid non-issues. Reply
Impulses - Thursday, April 05, 2012 - linkSeems like a valid complaint to me, at least from the point of view of the average consumer, regardless of whose fault it is. If AT&T can influence even Apple to change their connection indicators, surely they could force something less confusing here. It's not a coven to me, but the average consumer barely knows or cares what LTE & HSPA+ are, if they did the iPhone wouldn't be selling very well right now. Reply
leexgx - Friday, April 06, 2012 - linkMS naming (nice that they let you set the speeds 2g 3g and 4g speeds to bad you cant just force it to stay on one but that be asking to much)
3g/H/H+ as 3g (WCDMA / UMTS / HSDPA / HSPA) and 4g as 4g (LTE or LTE-ADV) as it should be seems right to me (miss selling 4g when its not 4g is bad in the USA, hope Three in the UK do not start miss selling quite sure they Not be allowed to)
2g best signal and power bat life
3g lower bat life and calls and text may some times not work
4g more power drain less bat life (depends if its been used as LTE should have way better power use then 3g+ spec) Reply
DarkUltra - Wednesday, April 04, 2012 - linkI think you should dig some more into WP7. I would not have bought a Lumia 800 if I knew about these:
- Deleting gmail mail archives mail instead of deleting it
- Read, delete and move email operations is not pushed or synced immediately. Kinda disruptive and unnerving when you sit down in front of the computer and have to do it all over again
- international characters turn into æøå after a reply from a gmail account ruining the threading (could be issue with gmail but worked fine on my first gen iphone)
- no text wrap in ie9 so text on certain websites like anandtech and techreport is redicously small in portrait mode and uncomfortably small in landscape mode.
- no Find on Page
- no copy and paste in calendar
- no every other week timing in calendar
- no Other and custom phone numbers support in contacts
- If you set your locale to something like Norway, you get SV: and vs: instead of the regular Re: and Fwd: email subject abbrevations. After a bit back and fourth with people abroad the subject line ends up like this:
Re: SV: Re: SV: Re: SV: Smörgardsbord på Lørdag
- no native PDF support, must use a slow and unresponsive 3rd party reader that lack zoom to picture/paragraph and search
- Other and custom phone numbers in contacts
Many phone numbers from Outlook and Google doesn't show up
Othervise I really love this phone and its live tiles. Reply
Klimax - Friday, April 06, 2012 - linkCorrections:
"Deleting gmail mail archives mail instead of deleting it"
Setting in gmail.
"Read, delete and move email operations is not pushed or synced immediately. Kinda disruptive and unnerving when you sit down in front of the computer and have to do it all over again"
Again, setting in gmail. Reply
Impulses - Thursday, April 05, 2012 - link"I don't know that there's still a lot of iPhone/Windows Phone cross shopping, but a trend towards even cheaper on-contract prices for high-end smartphones is absolutely welcome."
I agree with the latter statement... But as far as consumer choice, I think there might be more iPhone/WP cross shopping than iPhone/Android or even WP/Android. MS seems to be straddling this line between Apple's platform approach and Google's, and right now I think they're leaning slightly towards the former.
I think it's great for the market overall, and it's probably a winning strategy in the long run (something MS knows all about)... But right now I think Google's got more of the bargain/value market and the spec/geek market while Apple's carved itself a big chunk in between from average consumers looking to spend more but not necessarily focused on specs or sheer capability.
I'm definitely excited to see where WP & Nokia go next, despite being heavily invested in Android... Nokia needs MS more than MS needs Nokia tho, and WP isn't gonna budge from 3rd place if Nokia is the only OEM producing flagship type devices. Could be worse tho, they could be RIM! Reply
PeteH - Thursday, April 05, 2012 - linkYou make some good points, but I disagree that the MS approach is necessarily a winning strategy. If this was April 2010 when the smartphone market wasn't so mature I would completely agree that Windows stands an excellent chance of becoming (along with iOS/Android) a third dominant mobile platform. Unfortunately for MS it's April 2012, and it may be too late for Windows to be anything other than a niche player.
I think the key question is can MS attract developers so that a strong stable of quality Apps can be built up rapidly. If they can it will greatly increase their chance of success. Reply
Impulses - Thursday, April 05, 2012 - linkMeh, there's a lot of race still left to run imo, the smartphone market may be maturing rapidly but it's still in it's infancy... It's like in the stage the PC market was in the 80s imo. Reply


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