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Samsung Galaxy S III Review - AT&T and T-Mobile USA Variantsby Brian Klug on 6/20/2012 12:01 AM EST
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ervinshiznit - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkOn your SGSII review you say that it had 17 Mbps 1080p video recording, not 15 Mbps as you state in this article. Reply
Brian Klug - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkOh weird, I didn't go look at what I wrote before but went off of what I heard at some point from a Samsung rep said. Fixing...
-Brian Reply
vol7ron - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - link3rd paragrah threw me off.. "I was sampled" Reply
vol7ron - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkerr 4th Reply
Zoomer - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkDo you have any insight on why Samsung chose not to go with a pentaband design like with the SGN? Personally, that's a bit of a deal breaker. Reply
Brian Klug - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkThe T-Mobile variant is pretty close, it's just missing 900 MHz WCDMA (eg GN is 850, 900, 1700, 1900, 2100 MHz, T-Mo SGS3 is 850, 1700, 1900, 2100). Other than that, the device will work on AT&T and T-Mo, if you can snag an unlocked one.
Or are you talking about GT-I9300 (the canonical SGS3)?
-Brian Reply
3DoubleD - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkCan you name the models in the review using their model number. You say SGSIII USA, but there are 4 models total and 3 of those are being carried in the US. Calling it T999, I747, I535, and I9300 is much more straightforward and avoids a lot of confusion. Also, if Samsung doesn't want to be embarassed by their terrible naming, they can pick better model names.
Thanks for the speedy review. I didn't expect this review for at least a few more weeks. Thanks a million! Reply
Brian Klug - Monday, June 25, 2012 - linkSure:
T-Mobile: SGH-T999
-Brian Reply
Zoomer - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkAre you certain that it supports Band I when it's doing AWS? It seems to be a common theme among other phones. Reply
sunbear - Saturday, June 30, 2012 - linkIf I can unlock a tmobile device, would it work on AT&T's LTE, or would it be limited to to HSPA+? Reply
HexiumVII - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkDarn no quad core love for the US? Reply
Impulses - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkNo big loss, the S4 is roughly equivalent despite being a dual, since it's an all new design instead of a core bump. The GPU is actually the bigger loss, if you're into graphically intensive games. Reply
B3an - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkExactly.
The international quad-core version (which i have and love!) is based on ARM Cortex A9. While the US dual-core version uses the Krait SoC which is a lot closer to ARM's new Cortex A15 design (but it's not an A15, it's a custom design from Qualcomm thats similar in performance). So overall for CPU performance the international and US versions are pretty similar.
The international version definitely has a better GPU though - the higher clocked Mali-400 is the fastest GPU in any phone at the moment. Where as the US version has the slower Adreno 225.
On the other hand... the US version has 2GB RAM, where as the international has 1GB.
I guess Samsung felt bad about the slower GPU and tried to make up for it by giving you all 2GB instead.
Personally i prefer the international version because of the extra GPU performance as i do more gaming, and with a screen this big @ 720p gaming is great. Reply
robinthakur - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkSo...quick question. I have an international version which I picked up in HK as well. What games actually make good use of the improved graphics? I've already got Angry Birds Space. I'm not that impressed with the device so far. The thin plastic back feels incredibly cheap for a device costing around £400 and the Android OS seems poorly optimised compared to the iPhone 4S I used to use, with much worse touch controls. The camera which initially sold me (along with the nice water drops animations on the Home screen!) with its rapid shots, also disappoints with pretty mediocre pictures compared to the 4S. Front facing camera is nicer though. The motion controls are utterly pointless as is face unlocking. Have you ever got the wave hand across the screen to take a screenshot to work? I've got it switched on but...nothing! There were plenty of options compared to iOS for to geek out over for 48 hours but now having to actually use the device it seems lacking, i dunno, just unpolished. Considering it just came out, why is text all fuzzy for example? Isn't this a retina display? I assumed that coming out more than 2 years after the iPhone 4, every phone has them these days, but apparently not. I'm considering selling it before the price drops and going back into the Apple Matrix as life seems easier with iOS all told. Reply
JamesL88 - Saturday, June 23, 2012 - link"What games actually make good use of the improved graphics?"
Well for starters newest Gameloft games such as the NOVA 3 tend to be very graphically demanding. Also True Android gamers love to buy emulators from black markets (or after markets if you prefer), such as Nintendo 64 emulator.
You're obviously iFan so I'm not going into discussion with strength and weaknesses of each OS, but I believe the GS3 uses the same Sony sensor used in iPhone 4s' camera. I seriously doubt that you even own GS3. Reply
koyanishi - Tuesday, September 04, 2012 - linkI believe he does own a Galaxy S III.
that's because he didn't figure out how to take the screen shot by swiping his hand across the screen.
The thing is, to do this your hand has to touch the screen. Your hand is in the form of a karate chop and you use the knife edge (sort to speak) to touch the screen and swipe across it.
I don't think he is that stupid for missing this because I after trying different ways of doing it never figured it out either but only learned of how to do it by reading tips on use of this phone in an android forum.
However on his other points of how the plastic feels cheap and lack of optimization (whatever that means) of the os in GS III I disagree. Reply
bigboxes - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkAm I wrong? The device doesn't look like it can stand up to much of anything. Better make sure you cover it from top to bottom with some kind of case. Reply
ATWindsor - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkYou probably are, plastics can be very solid and lightweight. The old Galaxy S2 is as far as one can tell much more solid than for instance the iphone. Reply
Impulses - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkSamsung's designs may feel cheap at times but that doesn't necessarily translate to better impact survivability... Plastic weighs less and probably absorbs more force during impact... I've never owned a Samsung phone (I'm on my third EVO and my dumb phones were all Nokias & Sony) but I've seen plenty of them fly from my friend's hands. :p The glossy plastic they use probably does scuff easier than most materials tho. Then again, unlike reviewers who go thru phones like underwear, I think the majority of people end up it using cases anyway. I do it to protect my device's resale value as much a anything else. Reply
Belard - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkWhat resale value? Reply
themossie - Thursday, June 21, 2012 - linkYou still see used Droid X (released 23 months ago) selling for $150 on Craigslist. Droid 2, released a month later, often sell for $125. Can recoup what you paid for them (contract prices) after 2 years? Not bad at all.
I've made a pretty penny buying used phones cheap off Craigslist, using them, then flipping them 6-12 months for profit. Then you get events like the Windows Phone Challenge... Reply
steven75 - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkJust looked at ebay completed listings for Droid X. Average completed sale price is about $75.
In comparison looked at iPhone 4 16 GB (released shortly after the X and the average completed sale price is about $250. Reply
themossie - Saturday, June 23, 2012 - linkeBay prices are cheaper than Craigslist. iPhone 4 averages ~$300 here (to the extent I can tell from my Craigslist experience!)
Certainly not saying Android phones hold the resale value of iPhones! But I can consistently recoup what I paid (on contract) for the device. Reply
zorxd - Thursday, June 21, 2012 - linkI agree. Who cares about how it "feels" anyway? I buy phones for their functionality, not their look.
Also as you said, plastic is light and shock absorbant. Also it doesn't block RF. Seems like the perfect material for a phone. I honestly which we had less metal and glass and more plastic in phones. Reply
shaolin95 - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkComments like this make me wonder if people think phones are supposed to be used as hockey pucks....come on now. Reply
ProPhotoman - Tuesday, July 03, 2012 - linkNo one wanted a 1 pound phone , so they used plastic to keep the weight down. They know that most will put a case on it anyway. Reply
metafor - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkBattery life seems to lag behind the One X. Which is disappointing considering LTE will only make it worse. But since -- unlike HTC -- Samsung launched this on both T-Mobile and Verizon, that makes it the go-to phone for those who don't want to jump on AT&T. Reply
Impulses - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkHTC really dropped the ball in not getting a decent One variant on VZW. The new Incredible's kind of a joke... Reply
Impulses - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkMeh, they they're not too far behind either... I agree the numbers are slightly disappointing considering it has a larger battery, but it's also a removable battery which makes it a wash IMO. The Wifi vs 3G results are interesting, I thought one of the biggest highlights of AMOLED was how it could potentially save a lot of power over LCDs... I guess that doesn't really pan out unless you visit a lot of sites with black backgrounds tho. :p
The EVO LTE results are wild tho, they're all over the place (which is why it'd be really nice to have at least one CDMA SGS3 variant reviewed). If you were to look at the 3G results only you'd conclude the CDMA stack is just a battery hog, but then it still trails the US One X (which has a smaller battery) on the Wifi test while demolishing it (and almost everything else) in the hotspot test. Doesn't make any sense!
Same SoC & display as the One X (AFAIK), any theories? Reply
metafor - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkA few. The CDMA and WiFi datapath could be far less power hungry than the HSPA+ to WiFi. In fact, it may even be a different WiFi module altogether. Hell, even something unnoticeable -- like signal strength of the WiFi/CDMA antenna and whether they interfere with each or not -- can make a big difference as the radios have to work harder to get a good signal.
Stuff like this is hard to design, debug and quantify, especially when multiple radio interfaces are at work. Reply
OCedHrt - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkI wish we would get AWS on AT&T's S3 for WCDMA in addition to LTE. Reply
richworks - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkWhy isn't the International version of SGS3 not included in the benchmark tests? Am I to understand you haven't reviewed it yet? Reply
minhajmsd - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkHe did mention in the article that his unit hasn't arrived yet. Reply
richworks - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkAh.. thank you. I might have overlooked that part. I apologize for that :) Reply
antef - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkBrian, you mention that by Samsung including a menu button that they don't have to include the full-row on-screen menu button that HTC does, but what you didn't mention is how this is still not ideal because it breaks Google's design goals for ICS completely. Google very plainly stated that the Menu key with its hidden functionalities (and sometimes no functionality) was not good design and encourages all developers to move away from it. Yet Samsung decides to include it on a new device built for ICS (probably because TouchWiz is carried over from Gingerbread).
This means a few things. First, some app devs might not move to ICS design standards because they think they don't have to with new devices still coming out with Menu keys. Second, even if an app does use the new standards/action bar, the 3-dot overflow button will be HIDDEN because a Menu button is present. This is confusing and hides functionality that should be grouped with the other actions at the top. Finally, it necessitates a long-press of Home for task switching, which is slow and cumbersome compared to a dedicated button.
All around a bad decision on Samsung's part. The full-row menu key necessary for legacy apps on the One X is not ideal either, which is why on-screen buttons like on the Galaxy Nexus are the way to go. Reply
Impulses - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkI agree with you (and Google) on the menu button overall, it needs to go... I was never particularly bothered by it but it was a pretty sloppy design crutch and it confused new users of the platform... I agree that Samsung's implementation now only makes it worse by encouraging devs to continue using it and by messing with the way current ICS UI layouts are presented.
I'm not sure I necessarily agree on screen buttons are better tho... IF you can make the device smaller by using them I'd say you have a case, but the Galaxy Nexus is no smaller than the One X so the latter ends up with more screen real estate the majority of the time (only sacrificing space to menu for legacy apps, which seems to be your main argument for on screen buttons).
I really hope Moto doesn't follow Samsung's lead, cause I believe LG has, and this is worse than the old game of musical chairs that manufacturers played with the four classic buttons. I think we've already had some leaks that showed them going with on screen buttons tho, fortunately.
It's gonna definitely gonna take longer than Google would like to deprecate menu...
hat being said, I've always liked Samsung's side power buttons (much easier to reach) so much do that I mod my HTC phones to wake on volume press... And I also kinda dig the physical home button (even tho it's ugly and another point of failure) because it makes it much easier to wake the phone while it's laying flat.
Most of that is subjective tho, Google moving away from menu is not... Not only was it a design crutch, multi tasking feels so much quicker without long press. I know realistically it's not that much slower to long press home, but subjectively it feels slow. I think Duartesaid in an interview that was one of the reasons they were moving away from long presses and towards the use of more swipes etc. Reply
antef - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkI definitely agree with you about Menu being a design crutch and long-pressing Home feeling slow. People might think Menu is no big deal, but they have to consider the broader audience. Why do people think an iPhone is so much easier to use for most people - because everything is right there and easy to explain. Try explaining Menu and long-press to a new user: "You press this button to show more actions - sometimes it will show things, sometimes it won't, you just have to press it and see. And there's no indication of whether an app uses it or not, you just have to remember it's there. And then you press and hold this to switch apps...no, you didn't press it long enough, try again." versus "Press this button to switch apps. Here at the top of the screen are icons for things you can do. If you there are more things you can do you can access them by pressing the 3-dot button right next to it." It's a night and day difference, and like you said this will stall Google's efforts to deprecate it, now a whole new generation of Android users will get accustomed to a Menu key on the SGS III.
You are correct that the Galaxy Nexus loses some screen real estate with the on-screen buttons, but I don't see that being much of an issue when you have a 1280x720 resolution screen. The thing is, with 3 physical buttons, you are going to have one of these problems either way, and the on-screen button eliminates that. In addition I think the on-screen buttons are just preferable anyway. They are bold, easy to see, give you feedback when you press them, and appear coherently part of the UI. It looks like a complete package. Versus the off-screen, backlight-lit keys, which appear "separate" from the UI and are typically smaller. I never realized this from pictures, but after actually using a Galaxy Nexus, I much prefer the look and feel of the on-screen buttons.
Definitely also like the side power button, it's practically necessary for large devices like these. Reply
themossie - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkYes, it does ignore Google's design goals. It also makes most applications far more usable. Why are contextual menus bad? (I understand the inconsistency problem where the menu button on ICS will not pop up on screen depending on the phone, but still...)
Seems like many phone manufacturers agree with me here.
Since I'm complaining anyway... :-)
Does anyone else find ICS task switching far less useful than 2.x's "Recent Apps"? With "Recent Apps", I never had to scroll to find the app I wanted - and never had to worry about closing applications to keep the Task Switcher bar reasonably short.
(For reference, I have a Gingerbread phone and a ICS tablet) Reply
Impulses - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkContextual menus aren't bad per se, forcing people to guess when they exist at all is. Very few applications are better off with a hidden menu than ICS' action bar + overflow menu plainly visible on screen. Many manufacturers = 2 out 5 or so major Android OEMs? Sony, HTC, and Motor have conformed to the new button scheme.
Not sure why you're complaining about scrolling on ICS, are you using a 7" tablet? On my 10" the recent app menu shows 9 apps in portrait and 5 in landscape. Previous versions of Android showed either 6 or 8 icons depending on manufafturer, and had no preview of the app.
You couldn't kick apps out of the recent apps pop up either... ICS multi tasking seems like an improvement in every possible way except maybe landscape use or smaller lower res phones, and even then tap + swipe + tap is no slower than long press + tap. Reply
themossie - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkRe: Contextual menus - I do agree that it's bad to force people to guess when they exist. (That wasn't a problem before ICS, when you could safely assume a program has one!) I don't find the ICS icon to be a useful contextual clue to new users - 3 dots does not a menu suggest.
Now, for scrolling: (forgive the rant)
That said, from memory:
* CM9 on HP Touchpad (1024x768) - shows 1 app in landscape.
* ICS on Galaxy Nexus - shows only 3 apps in portrait. (images.google "task switcher galaxy nexus")
* ICS on HTC Evo 4G - shows only 1 app in landscape. This may be a Sense issue, experienced other landscape issues.
You have to scroll to do anything!
Compare this with Gingerbread on my Droid 2 (the not-Motoblur), where "Recent Apps" shows 18 apps. With 18 apps in Recent Apps, I no longer need the homescreen to load applications.
I'd still find the stock "Recent Apps" (I believe it's 8 in Froyo, 10 in Gingerbread?) more usable than ICS. Reply
antef - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkI don't believe "context menu" is the right term here. We're not discussing context menus - that would be something related to your *exact* context, such as long-pressing a row in a list and getting some options. What we're discussing is the app's "primary" menu that holds whatever could not fit on the main UI surface. In that sense, both the legacy menu and the action bar "overflow" are going to hold similar things, so what they contain is not really an item of debate. The main problem with the fixed Menu key, as Impulses said, is that it's "hidden" - since it's always present, there is really no indication that an app needs it or not, and it's also off-screen and thus doesn't feel cohesively tied to the rest of the app's UI. Action overflow, meanwhile, only appears when needed and right alongside other related functions.
HTC switched to the new layout but unfortunately their use of physical buttons necessitates the nasty "full row menu button" for legacy apps. And I bet you that Samsung only stuck with the Menu key because they were too lazy to rethink parts of TouchWiz's UI - it clearly is a carryover from Gingerbread and they've shown before they don't put a lot of polish into their software. In that sense, this device is just stuck with that button because Samsung did not try to design a better user experience, not because they genuinely think this is the better way to go. Reply
themossie - Thursday, June 21, 2012 - linkI understand what you mean, and "primary" menu is definitely a better term! However, the "action overflow" on-screen button which Google wants to replace the older "primary" menu (menu button) is not an improvement.
"Action Overflow" is not intended to be an actual settings menu. With "Action Overflow", Google basically says "Hey guys, you don't need 'settings' any more - just 'buttons you won't press that often." They then allow developers to put the action bar in 3 different places (http://developer.android.com/design/patterns/actio... so there's no longer consistent button placement.
The biggest problem with the menu button (for new users) was the lack of contextual cues. ICS ironically manages to fix this even as it deprecates the menu.
At this point, I'm way outside the scope of a phone review's comment sections, so I'll leave some food for though (discussion, not favoring a particular approach)
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9286822/how-to-... Reply
antef - Thursday, June 21, 2012 - linkAction Overflow is not intended to be an actual settings menu, but neither is legacy menu! it was never intended as a "settings" or "options" menu...literally just a menu to put anything you want. In this sense Action Overflow is exactly the same, only commonly used items don't have to be in the menu and instead can be directly on the action bar. It completely fixes the discoverability issue since the 3-dots are right there next to other icons you're already using. It leads you to it and it appears part of the app's UI.
Thanks for the links. :) Reply
synaesthetic - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkGoogle was smoking crack when they got rid of the menu button. I installed a custom ROM onto my Nexus to make the menu button come back.
I have never used a real serious app that didn't have a contextual menu. Never. And the "ICS friendly" apps that use the dotdotdot in-app menu like to put them in really obnoxious places... like the TOP OF THE SCREEN.
Holy carp Google, this phone is already huge, you want me to drop it trying to hit that menu key with my thumb?
The SGS3 having a menu button makes me want it EVEN MORE. Reply
antef - Thursday, June 21, 2012 - linkI do have to tilt my Nexus forward a bit to reach up there with my thumb, but this is no different than having to reach up there for anything else, including the main action icons which are going to be up there no matter what.
It is true that most apps used legacy menu, but still, nothing has to. That makes the very idea of an always present button silly. The nav bar should stick to system-wide navigation as it does on the Nexus and leave things pertaining to an app to be on the app's UI surface. The OP of the Stack Overflow link said it best:
"This [the overflow button] seems much more intuitive for users than throwing them into a separate menu list that requires the user to jump from a touch(screen) interaction to a button based interaction simply because the layout of the ActionBar can't fit them on the bar."
What he's saying is the on-screen controls and off-screen controls are different UI "sections" that shouldn't intermingle during the course of using an app. An app's controls should all be available within the app's UI. It's more cohesive and straightforward. In practice, it only ever really appears in the top right or bottom right, and most of the time the top right. It's not jumping all over from app to app like some people like to suggest. Reply
8er - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkMenu button is good.
Physical home button, even better. It is huge selling point for me.
Side bar. I do not comprehend how anyone can say 'insert button name here' is bad. It looks like a search button and it searches or a menu buttons bring up menus, or a home buttons brings you home, and someone is confused?
If the above is true then that person is helpless. I will not apologize for sounding crass, but that person gets left behind. You are not left starving on an island kind of crass. If you do not understand what selecting an icon might do then a smart phone is too much for you. Reply
robinthakur - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkYes, this totallyl! Coming from an iPhone, the long press to access multitasking is really slow and rubbish, I wasn't sure whether this is the same across all Android handsets. It doesn't help that on iOS, the commands are flipped and long press is Siri with double tap or four finger upwards swipe being multitask! The use of the Menu button seems haphazard as it isn't obvious which apps use it (or even which parts of the apps) and which ones don't. Reply
THX - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkFolks on Head Fi are worried that the S4 chipset will strip out the Wolfson DAC. Any word what sound chip is inside the US Galaxy S3? Reply
Impulses - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkDoes the international version still have a Wolfson DAC? I know the SGS2 and many Tegra 2 devices did, haven't really kept up with that aspect of phones but I know a lot of people really liked that DAC because of the untapped potential in it (and the Voodoo app that it). Have they found anything particularly alarming about the One X's DAC or sound tho? (gimmicky Beats EQ aside) HF to ride their FOtM choices pretty hard and in the process anything else is deemed simply incomparable. Reply
Impulses - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkthat should've read "HF tends to ride" Reply
Impulses - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkDid the CDMA variants get skipped because Anand usually reviews those (I think?) And he's been traveling or just luck of the draw? Is the review of the EVO LTE and other One variants still coming? Just curious really, I know sometimes battery life results vary wildly between GSM and CDMA versions of the same basic design, throw LTE in there and still-growing networks and it's something worth looking at. Reply
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Torrijos - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkIn a recent article (HTC One X) you plotted a graph of the battery life (time) divided by the battery capacity (Watt-hours), it would be interesting to get it at each review or at least with reviews marking the arrival of a new version of an OS, in order to check whether their energy efficiency is going in the right direction. Reply
falc0ne - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkPacked with all the latest technology but in a soap-bar shape. Galaxy SII looks much better.
Someone said here shame doesn't have "pentaband support". You don't need that. What you need is that the phone you purchase to support the band of your operator. That's all. More than that, lately people usually purchase the phone straight from the operator Reply
Zoomer - Sunday, June 24, 2012 - linkThat doesn't help if you switch operators often. Reply
www.dasinu.ro - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linknice post...http://www.dasinu.ro Reply
jjj - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkstill a very poor selection for battery tests (just web and talk time,what are you testing dumbphones?) ,no storage perf tests,at this point i'm about to give up on hoping you guys can do better. Reply
bmgoodman - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkCan you start doing some tests of Bluetooth, both for voice and music? With my Galaxy SII, I've almost quit using my car's integrated hands-free system. Five years in my car using a Sony Ericsson with the handsfree and I almost NEVER had a complaint. Now people are almost always asking me to call back later! Reply
BabelHuber - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkI had the same problem regarding Bluetooth. My good old Nokia Symbian phones supported rSAP. Android, iOS and Windows Phone do not.
That's why I bought the SGS2, it was the only Android phone supporting rSAP.
In its wisdom, Samsung has removed the rSAP capability with ICS, though.
Fortunately Android is an open system, so I could root it and install an rSAP app.
This was a Sunday afternoon of work, though.
The app is here: http://www.android-rsap.com/installation.html Reply
Angry AtAndroid - Monday, June 25, 2012 - linkNot Samsung removed it, but that big bully google. It is not supported by android.
Complaints going on about this for YEARS. See the google code site.
Issue 4402: rSAP / Sim access bluetooth profile
1829 people starred this issue.
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?can... Reply
shaolin95 - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkAs much as I loved my Captivate and thought the GS2 was a nice upgrade , the GS3 is a let down (the USA version that is).
Say what you want about the dual core being close to the quad but I can score higher Browsermark with my Galaxy Note international (@1.6ghz) than the GS3 USA version. And the real killer is the older GPU.
I am going to wait for Note 2...likely international version as well if they keep messing things up. Reply
BioHazardous - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkIt seems like it fails to impress in almost all tests, particularly battery life and WiFi performance. I wish the article was a little more critical of its shortcomings. The battery life is even less impressive when you consider it has a larger battery than the HTC One X.
The only thing it really seems to have going for it vs the HTC One X is the microSD slot and removable battery.
When will the test results be added to the Bench? Reply
IKeelU - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - link...for HTC. The SGS3 looks like a fantastic phone, but the benchmarks, camera, and battery tests all show one or more "One" variants slightly besting the SGS3.
Both companies have done a great job, but I think my money will go towards HTC this time around. Specifically the One S. Thanks to its lower (but still great) resolution it's really killing those games benchmarks. Reply
Mbonus - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkI am very surprised that the SGIII was lagging in almost every benchmark to the HTC variants. My speculation is that Touchwiz must be incredibly invasive over the current version of Sense.
One thing that needs to be tested is the multitasking. The HTC units have been reported to be very aggressive with killing background apps and some have speculated that this is how they are saving battery. It would be interesting to see how GSIII is handling multitasking. Reply
redeemer777 - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkWhy are you so suprised? Both have the same chipsets which mean HTC has imposed better optimizations. This is Android guys root your phone, if you're not happy. Reply
Mbonus - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkI'm most surprised in the battery department because of the physically larger battery of the SGS3. Reply
Impulses - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkPeople shouldn't have to root their devices to fix some of the silly memory tweaks HTC did, and yes, their memory optimizations are currently too aggressive. Reply
Impulses - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkI doubt dumping apps off memory to make more breathing room for Sense or whatever would help much with idle battery, it's not like you stop powering the memory either way. Reply
metafor - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkOne thing to keep in mind is that Samsung likely spends a lot more time tuning their software stack for their Exynos processors than they do for others. Whereas HTC pretty much starts out with Qualcomm chips.
That being said, considering they are launching all of their US GS3's based on the S4, I'm surprised it didn't get their ultra-fast browser that we saw in the international GS3 preview. Reply
patycake57 - Monday, June 25, 2012 - linkI,too, would appreciate knowing about the multitasking and how it compares with the One X. I bought the HOX (ATT) based on excellent reviews from many sites including this one, and have become more and more frustrated with the poor multitasking. Depending on your apps and pattern of usage, this may not bother you, but I cannot recommend the HOX to most that read AT (e.g. power users).
I would very much like to see a first rate technical site like AT address multitasking, because for some, it can really alter the user experience beyond the technical specs/testing. Also, I think changes like this should be clearly disclosed by phone manufacturers, because if I would have known about this, I would not have purchased the HOX and waited for the SG3 or next Nexus phone. At this time, I'm not aware of a non-root fix, and HTC has not acknowledged it as a bug. Reply
geniekid - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkThanks for the review. Anandtech does it the most thoroughly, probably because you guys are engineers instead of just enthusiasts (not hating on enthusiasts, just loving the engis).
Can't wait for the LTE and sound tests. Hopefully this article will get a bump on the front page when those results come in. Reply
sitharien - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkI see you have numbers from Sprint's One X, and that phone has been out for a couple of weeks. Did the review get side tracked? Reply
BSMonitor - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkI thought all the trolls said this phone would DOMINATE the iPhone 4S.. Yet... Reply
shaolin95 - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkAre you retarded or something? There are many Android phones that totally humiliate that over priced piece of junk...grow up apple zombie. Reply
steven75 - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkCharts don't lie, son. Reply
behindthepen - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - link"We've already seen dual core Krait (MSM8960) performance before and talked about it in the HTC One X (AT&T) review. "
can you confirm that, I was under the impression the One X at AT&T ran a Tegra 3.
It would be super helpful if you could list the processors somewhere near all of the performance data. Reply
Impulses - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkAll US One variants run S4, its nit exactly a secret.... Reply
Skiddywinks - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkInternational One X's are Tegra, US ones are S4. Reply
tuxRoller - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkGreat article. Quite disappointed with the battery life when compared to the One X (att), though I suppose that is mostly due to the differences in screen tech.
A nice addition to the battery life section would be to add an efficiency chart so we can see past the varying battery sizes.
Liam Reply
dijimoto - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkWhat version of ICS does the Galaxy SIII have on it's phone? Also, is the Galaxy Nexus phones tested with 4.0.4 version or the 4.01 / 4.02 version? I read and heard from many Galaxy Nexus phone users that their was a lot of improvements in battery life. I'm just wondering how much, and if the Galaxy Nexus phone would move up in the list of all the other phones. Reply
dijimoto - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkI just realized it was in the title ICS version 4.0.4, ugh... Reply
EJ257 - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkSo does it use both GPS & GLONASS simultaneously? Or can you set a default and it'll switch over to the other system whenever signal from one of them gets to be too weak? Reply
Death666Angel - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkI enjoyed it a lot. I like the fact that 1080p video isn't cropped anymore. My cropped SGS2 1080p doesn't look that good and I use 720p as a result.
The screen looks good too and mostly I think the SGS3 looks pretty good. But for me, it's not enough to make the upgrade from my SGS2. I just bought a nice chinese tablet (Cube U30GT if anyone wonders) which will keep me happy for some time to come. I won't upgrade this generation. WVGA resolution, SAMOLED+, Mali GPU and good custom ROM support are all enough for me, for now. Maybe next year Intel will bring something new or Android 5/6 will change things. But right now, my SGS2 does everything I need it to do.
Maybe I didn't notice it, but I didn't see any references to bootloader/custom ROMs. For me, whether or not a phone is easily rooted, hacked etc. is an important part of my purchase decision. Maybe you can include a short discussion of that in the future? If you did mention it, I apologize. :-) Reply
chiza69 - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - linkI usually love your reviews Brian as they are often unique and give a different perspective compared to other tech sites. However, one thing that frustrates me, and is consistent in all your reviews is the performance category.
All you do in this category is run benchmarks. Yes, benchmarks are always fun, but both the iPhone and most Windows Phones have proven that benchmarks do not make a system run smoothly. I mean look at the latest android phone, the Galaxy S3, with it's quadcore processor and top of the line GPU. Yes it is fast in benchmarks, but honestly it still cannot make Android as smooth as iOS.
All I would like to see is that you add a video of typical performance on the phone, especially with the browser. Reply
name99 - Thursday, June 21, 2012 - link"Clearly there is 380 MB absorbed for both preallocated GPU memory, and possibly DRM / baseband, and after that subtraction the only way to get dual channel (2x32b) LPDDR2 is to make the jump to two 1 GB LPDDR2 devices."
I don't get this. Why can't you have a 1GiB and a 512MiB package? Are ARM memory controllers less sophisticated than Intel ones and unable to handle such a config? After all this sort of config is standard on Windows --- 3GiB back in the day when that was all Windows could handle, now 6GiB on your mid-range laptops that are too cheap to spring for 8GiB. Reply
antony22 - Thursday, June 21, 2012 - linkwell been waiting for some reviews of the GS3 I was going to get this or the EVO 4G lte on sprint but after a read the whole article I think I made my choice now
I cant believe that Samsung chose not to use the on board Wi-Fi and went with another chip when the on board is 28 nm while the BCM4334 is 45nm
when i was reading the battery life test I thought hmm that is odd that the HTC EVO has better life on wi- fi than the GS3 even when they use the same SOC now everything makes sense and also the GS3 is slower too on wi-fi Reply
SanX - Thursday, June 21, 2012 - linkBrian,
In the section about display pixel angular dimensions (0.933 arcmin) you have used word "pixel" while it is actually just the green subpixel angular size. BUT THAT IS WRONG! The largest problem is the red subpixels angular distance (and contrary to laws of physics much less blue). This gives dirty feel of solid colors of red part of spectrum and jagg of lines. THAT IS EXACTLY the main problem of the pentile displays. And that's red and blue distance TWO time larger the green one and of course IS visible very well - just place the screen of LG Nitro nearby.
Another problem is your 12 inch distance. Formally and practically the the optimal distance for reading is usually 10 inch (25 cm). This is also why in magnification of lens in physics 25cm is used. I typically take phone even closer - to 9". You barely stand pentile screens in this case.
We always forget, but ideally for proper scaling of small fonts, because we have digital, not analog screens, it's not a one pixel angular size must be unresolved by our eyes but around TWO stacked ones. That gives 600ppi requirement. Only after that we will not see visible difference (jumps) in line thickness when scale fonts. Reply
Belard - Thursday, June 21, 2012 - linkSo... with these current "smart" phones... do anyone of them have good enough speakers to actually wake a person up?
That would be a NICE little added benchmark. How loud can the phone get.
I'm about to retire my SGS1... its speakerphone mode has always been garbage (being that it faced away from you) and the alarm itself has been pathetic. So bad, that I still us a 4 year old Sony dumb phone as wakeup alarm. Even when this stupid phone "rings", I miss half the calls because the speaker and its vibration are weak.
How about this... make phones that actually FEEL good in the hand, not some danty tablet-size thingy that you can barely hold onto with your finger tips that doesn't FIT in a pocket. Sure, its fine for those who wear a purse and it seems some guys are wearing purses or bags... that's fine.
But many of us guys put the phones in OUR pockets where there is money, wallets, keys and whatever.
The SGS1 was already too damn big to comfortly fit into a pocket... the S3 and now bigger S3 should just make it much worse. Reply
Eridanus - Thursday, June 21, 2012 - linkSD card slot? So they screwed up only customers of their Nexus crap? Reply
apoorvnaik - Thursday, June 21, 2012 - linkAs seen in your post, you say that a T-Mobile SGS3 will work on AT&T's network also but the specs on the T-Mobile's page say something else.
Here's the link to the T-Mobile page
I'm looking forward to buy this phone and just wanted to make sure that it could be used worldwide. Reply
apoorvnaik - Thursday, June 21, 2012 - linkhttp://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-4448
This link says that the phone supports Band I, V, II and AWS.
Does that mean it is a pentaband ?
I'm totally confused by looking at so many different specs. :( Reply
Mnalley95 - Thursday, June 21, 2012 - linkI am currently deciding between the one x and the sgs3, and the two most important factors to me are the battery life and the RAM differences. Nearly every other site has the one x with pretty awfu battery life in their tests, usually with the galaxy nearly doubling the results, but on all of your tests the one x appears fantastic, which is great. All I want is to be able to use my phone at least 12 hours with moderate to heavy use on LTE, so the differing battery results on different sites concerns me. Is there any explanation for this, anyone? Also, the RAM difference could be big in future OS updates, does anyone agree? Which device would be the most future proof? The sgs3 is also easier to hack and will probably have a larger community behind it, which is important. I think I personally like the one X better overall, but if the galaxy beats it in the categories I mentioned I would definitely be happy with it instead. Anyone that cares to share their opinions and answer my questions would be appreciated. Reply
Eridanus - Thursday, June 21, 2012 - linkIt's a good thing the S3 has an SD card reader, unlike the Nexus.
(Am I going to get censured again?) Reply
ItsaRaid - Thursday, June 21, 2012 - linkBrian, both reviews were awesome- how do you cut through the chase and garbage.? Which is the better of the 2? Lets throw away all the crazy stuff, preferences, UI's bells and whistles. I HAVE A Nightmare with a Atrix2 and AT&T. I don't want to duplicate it.
Wifi connectivity, receive signal functionality, browser use....lag, forced closes, move up or down on a page, my A2 will freeze and won't flick IP or down on a page. It took over a.Monte to load Annand tech on this phone! Audio output is critical to me, I have a sensory hearing deficit. How does the amount of volume compare to the Atrix2. That's all the good the A2 has...lots of volume and a bright crisp display.
I hope you will respond to this.
Thank you! Reply
Narcopolypse - Thursday, June 21, 2012 - linkThe reason S Voice responds so much like Siri is because they both query Worlfram Alpha (an independent system owned by neither company) for their answers. SRI (the company that made Siri) just added in a fake conversation system (20 year old tech) to tell you lame jokes and act like a back talking bitc# when it can't find an answer for you. None of this is new. And yes, Apple has already sued over it and tried to have sales of the GS3 banned in the US. Reply
steven75 - Friday, June 22, 2012 - linkOr it could be that S Voice is pretty much a complete clone of Siri from the interface to the functionality. Voice control isn't new, but the complete cloning should be obvious to even the most egregious Android/Samsung fanboy.
If we can't agree on that, then we'll probably disagree on other things such as whether 2+2=4. Reply
iCrunch - Sunday, June 24, 2012 - linkOh come on, I've read multiple reviews and they are 100% consistent in concluding that Samsung's S-Voice doesn't come anywhere close to being as good or accurate or whatever as Apple's Siri. Is my troll/BS detector set to too sensitive or am I picking up some actual trolling here? Reply
uhuznaa - Monday, June 25, 2012 - linkSome people seem to think that this needs just voice recognition and a web service to turn to. In fact the real problem here is actually making sense out of what the user said and this is not just a technical problem.
I have no idea where Samsung got/bought/licensed the AI here, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if the SRI stuff Apple got its hands on were better. Reply
ProPhotoman - Tuesday, July 03, 2012 - linkI bought a GS3, and the total ram is only 1.6GB .I checked two more in the store, and they are the same. Why is Samsung publishing it as 2gb? Reply
cmdrdredd - Thursday, July 05, 2012 - linkA portion is reserved for system usage. Reply
duffman55 - Sunday, July 08, 2012 - linkDoes the AT&T model have the option to change color profiles so we can choose to have less oversaturated colors? For example, the international version has the option to switch between dynamic, standard, natural, and movie "screen modes". I thought I remembered reading that these would be available this time around unlike the AT&T version of the S2. Reply
stargate125645 - Saturday, July 14, 2012 - linkWhy is there no mention of the anti-aliasing unfairly penalizing the Adreno 225? Was it turned off?
For reference, see this article:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5559/qualcomm-snapdr... Reply
stargate125645 - Saturday, July 14, 2012 - linkI see that the AA issue was only for the Basemark ES, but I still don't understand how the Mali-400 (not the new MP4 version) is better than the Adreno 225. Reply
soofdawg - Sunday, July 15, 2012 - linkWouldn't it be more appropriate to test battery life straight out of the box, without changing any settings, such as turning off battery saving features? Samsung obviously allows user control of such features, but Apple also uses measures for the iOS to maximize battery life without the option to turn off said software control. Even maximizing screen brightness does not equalize the testing, as you're dealing with varying screen sizes. I may be wrong, but I would think that simply testing any phone straight from the box is what majority of users will experience and provide more 'real world' results. Please correct me if I missed any details on your testing methods or completely off base. Reply
hurrakan - Tuesday, July 17, 2012 - linkAre you able to report anything about the sound in this phone yet?
4 weeks ago you said:
"However, I will be able to get that data in the coming week and update with my findings."
Thanks! Reply
packstrap - Thursday, August 16, 2012 - linkI like the Samsung Galaxy S III because of its elegant form factor. Especially when you look at it from all sides you see the perfection. In this video you can see it from all sides:
How about that? Thanks Samsung for making SGS III a super phone! Reply
fixxxer0 - Wednesday, August 29, 2012 - linkThe phone has been out a couple of months now... any news on the Verizon LTE version battery life numbers? Reply


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Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550S: A New 65W Quad-Coreby Anand Lal Shimpi on 1/27/2009 8:00 PM EST
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Tujan - Tuesday, February 03, 2009 - linkInteresting article. Not only because of the look at the new ''low''power Q CPUs. But because of the ideal of using a greater wattage CPU (such as the i920 etc) that utilizes lower total voltage. Although the 'average'consumption is less with a power saving cpu.
Would be interested in consoling another comparison test on the geeky side. One in which two comparably equiped systems (or three) are rigged to an Inverter,or run from a Backup Power supply. Running the same apps. Noting which system ran out of "juice" sooner.
You could possibly say that if for example the 90 watt/130 watt killed the battery/backup sooner,although it did the applications over x amount of times (greater).
But what I am looking at is simply if at all possible to run the test. Perhaps with a timer hooked onto the battery connection to measure the juice left,and/or time battery konked out.
The H.264 test would seem to be the better test. Since it would be likely that using such a connection scenario might be most utilized.
Notice that most of the i7 core systems though,run from extremely large power supply systems. Though I have seen them run from as low as 650 watt from articles. Also note that the formulas used in your test should be calculable via math. However you might notice that there is a formula which decides the length of the power supplies capability.
Of course you would not be able to watch a movie in x amount of greater frame rate. Or in fast forward mode. Then the Inverter I have (which I have used to start my auto at times) might not even run a system that needed a cold jump at x amount of watts. X amount of Amps. I guess joules is a derivative of Amps. I could look it up,but I'll just say I dont know here.
suntrace1 - Tuesday, February 03, 2009 - linkIs there any chance to compare the underclocked Q9550 and Q9550S in the future? Reply
kzVegas - Monday, February 02, 2009 - linkCome on ! ! ! You test nearly a dozen CPUs included a Q9450 and Q9650 and you couldn't dig up a Q9550 (no S)? Reply
xeizo - Friday, January 30, 2009 - linkif one already owns a C2Q, undervolting it is a nice option. My Q9450 runs perfectly stable @ 3.4GHz wo 1.184V, I don't care much about the energy reduction but the heat reduction. I can have a already silent fan running at only 600rpm on my True, and that means a nice and silent workplace :)
Normally, with higher volts it is stable at 3.7GHz(and hot) but that ain't worth it because the sound from the fans for just a little more performance.
My E8400 undervolts even better, it runs a Linux home-server 24/7 @ only 0.91V and w both bridges undervolted. Reply
nilepez - Thursday, January 29, 2009 - linkI'm a bit confused. How do you figure going with i7 is 100 dollars more? What about the higher MB and Memory prices?
I'd guess going from the S to the i7 will cost you at least $300, if not more.
I'm no advocating one over the other...but it's just wrong to quote the CPU price delta, when DDR2 can be had for a fraction of DDR3 and most i7 main board are significantly more too. Reply
Denithor - Thursday, January 29, 2009 - linkIt's closer to $150 more than an equivalent C2Q setup. X58 boards are now available for about $200 ($100 more than UD3R for example) and there's a 6GB DDR3-1333 kit for $110 shipped (about $70 higher than a 4GB DDR2 kit - remember, you're getting more memory). Reply
Denithor - Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - linkIt seems like you should have included an e8400 @ 3GHz as a direct comparison to the Q9650 and PhII 940. Yes, the work would have taken longer - but the chip also runs a lot lower on power, I would imagine. And it would have been interesting to me to see how efficient those chips are compared to the quads available today. Reply
zagortenay - Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - linkThere are so many people in this forum, who are literally and virtually owned by Intel and they are proud for the fact that their wallets are emptied. Really strange! Reply
Anonymous Freak - Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - linkThe big problem with this review is that the power consumption setup is based on an inappropriate premise: That someone will use these chips in a high-end rig.
These chips are *NOT* for someone who is running a GTX 280. I mean, that video card draws more power at idle than these chips draw at full load.
No, these chips are for thin-and-light desktops that otherwise have too small a thermal envelope for quad-core. In *THOSE* systems, the extra money is worth it, since the comparison is these new chips, or dual-core. Not these chips vs. the 95W quad-cores.
For example, Intel has two mini ITX motherboards (DG45FC and DQ45EK) that have a max TDP of 65W. Those are the target for these new chips. For ultra-small systems without a 200+W video card. Reply
strikeback03 - Thursday, January 29, 2009 - linkWhich is the reason they wrote this paragraph:
The Q9550S and the other 65W quad-cores are designed for OEMs or anyone trying to cram as much power into a very small space. I'd expect that these CPUs would be better suited for something like an iMac rather than a normal sized desktop. The problem is that in a normal desktop you've got more than enough room to keep even a Core i7 cool, but in some of these OEM designs (like the iMac or Dell XPS One 24) there's hardly enough room for a normal heatsink and fan. Reply
carniver - Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - linkmakes sense indeed Reply
AffenJack - Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - linksome results look strange like x264
Phenom2, q9400 and q9450 have the same speed and same average power.
Shouldn't they have the same total energy comsumption?
I would say there's something wrong in this chart.
xahydra - Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - linkBeHardware reviewed the q9300 awhile back and tested consumption directly from the voltage rail and found it never pulled more than about 45 watts full load. This is consistent with the fact that the q9300 and its q8000 series cousins typically pull about 30W+ less than the q6600. Intels own processor information finder shows identical voltages for the 9300 and this "S" series CPU and the voltages are identical.. Only thing different is the stepping. Could the q9300 have been labeled as a 50W part had Intel cared to do so? Or even a 65W for that matter (giving margin of yield variation)?
http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpe...">http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpe... Reply
philosofool - Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - linkYou're right that the Core i7 is overall a more efficient machine. However, the S series are LGA775 chips, which means that could fall into the upgrade path for many users, or simply be the chip of choice for someone interested in an $85 board and power friendly chip. It's the added premium of X58 and triple channel DDR3 memory that sets th Core i7 cost outside of the mainstream, not just the cost of the chip itself. Otherwise I'd be looking at a Core i7 machine right now.... Reply
7Enigma - Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - linkI have a hard time wrapping my mind around a low(er) TDP part that cannot OC better than a non low TDP-binned processor? Is it just that the one you have for testing is a uniquely "gifted" cpu? It's my understand (correct me if I'm wrong) that lower TDP parts are due to superior construction that reduces leaks that would otherwise just go to heat production. If this is the case I can't see why a lower TDP part couldn't OC higher....
Please enlighten me as it doesn't make a lot of sense. Oh and thanks for the review because I'm sure I'm not the only one that just assumed a lower TDP part would on average OC better than a higher TDP part. Reply
JarredWalton - Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - linkLower power parts can come from a variety of things, but binning is a major impact. In many cases, chips that need less voltage run cooler and OC better; likewise, chips that *can* run with less voltage can also run fine at higher speeds with a "normal" voltage. That puts Intel (and AMD) in the position of binning for several options: do you want a low power chip, a high default MHz chip, or some combination of the two?
My guess would be that a lot of the QX9650/QX9770 and similar "extreme" CPUs can run at lower voltages and lower MHz. However, Intel might take CPUs that bin successfully at high clocks first, and then bin the remaining to see if some can run at lower voltage, which could then account for S-series chips that don't OC any better than regular chips.
Also remember that overclocking depends on many areas of the CPU, so it could be that these low voltage chips also tend to have limitations elsewhere -- maximum OC will always depend on the weakest link in the chip, which is why we see variability. Perhaps this being an ES chip has an impact, or it could just be random luck. Good or bad luck, that's the question.
I'm sure some S-series chips will overclock slightly better than regular Penryns, but at the end of the day the last 100-400 MHz really only matters to people running competitive benchmarks. Heck, I'm still running a firstname.lastname@example.com, and I have never encountered any situation where I think, "I wish my CPU had a little more oomph...." YMMV, naturally. Reply
7Enigma - Friday, January 30, 2009 - linkThank you for the very informative reply! And I agree it should make it into the original article to preempt the inevitable question. Reply
StraightPipe - Thursday, January 29, 2009 - linkThanks. This is a great explaination.
I wish it had made it into the main article. Reply
WillR - Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - linkAnand, can you provide any further explanation why Intel's power gate transistors gave the i7 a higher energy efficiency on the Fallout 3 test in terms of Joules but didn't actually give it a lower "at the wall" power draw in average watts? I'm just not following why it's making any difference in joules when it's not in watts (compared to the P2 940) if the dt is the same.
Also, any interest in adding testing of the 50 watt Xeon L5420 to the benchmark database? Intel has had low voltage parts for almost a year, they just haven't brought them into the consumer products until now. For the most part they've been ignored by review sites. Reply
DeepBlue1975 - Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - linkAbout the temperature advantage, I think the results are not trustworthy enough because there is no software that can accurately measure the absolute temperature of the cores.
Even though Intel disclosed the tjunction max spec for their 45nm parts, they also said that the measure is not completely precise because each chip has a different tj max temperature that can not be read from any register.
Only i7's tj max can be obtained directly from the chip, so that the absolute core temperature can be better calculated.
Also on Intel's presentation, they stated that the DTS' readings are not accurate enough for measuring idle temps. Anyway this doesn't apply to this article as you're comparing mainly load temps, not idle ones, and when under load and the more the on die temp approaches tj max, the more accurate the DTS' reading becomes.
And as the Tcase temp is read and by a motherboard's sensor (at least AFAIK from the available Intel's docs), it isn't completely reliable either.
Aside from that, excellent article. Not many sites measure the "performance per watt" factor. The only thing I'd add to this article, is a direct comparison with a non-s 9550 e0 chip, specially in the overclocking department, as I tend to think that "cooler chips" will be actually most wanted by overclockers than by energy savers (mainly considering the high price premium)
Regards. Reply
UltraWide - Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - linkwhy was a normal 95W TDP Q9550 not included??? Reply
Anand Lal Shimpi - Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - linkI didn't actually have a 95W Q9550 available (Gary has the one we used in our Phenom II review). I provided the Q9650 and the Q9450 so you can get an idea of where the Q9550 would fall.
Take care,
Anand Reply
StraightPipe - Thursday, January 29, 2009 - linkI've got to agree with UltraWide.
The news is Intel just came up with the S-line of procs.
But the test doesnt compare any S to non-S CPUs...
Isnt that what really matters? the perfomance and power consumption difference between the 95W and the new 65W is what I want to see.
anandtech02148 - Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - linkfinally nice to see the pick and choose Anandtech bench, need to take it out of beta, save me a trip to tomshardware.
Calin - Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - linkThose processors are perfect as replacements in servers already validated for the 95W version of the same processor. While buying i7 would be better, maybe the i7 servers weren't validated (remember the 3 years of support for business-related hardware lines) Reply
danchen - Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - linklooking at the numbers, it doesn't look like its worth the extra money.
Its like buying an "environmentally friendly" car - high initial investment, takes many years to get an ROI.
perhaps if you're the type who runs your computers 24/7, it may actually save you some bills in the long run. Reply
rpsgc - Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - linkOr... you could just undervolt your current CPU. Voilà.
BTW, what is the default Vcore of these processors? Reply
WillR - Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - linkDepends on the model, but I assume you mean the likes of the Q9550. Those are 1.22V.
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?...">http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?... shows a few. Reply
lucassp - Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - link"the publicly available x264 codec (open source alternative to H.264)"
firstly x264 is only an encoder, and doesn't have an encoder included. x264 is an Open Source implementation of the H.264 standard. it's not an alternative to it. Reply
lucassp - Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - linksorry for the mistake, I meant to say it doesn't have a decoder included ;) Reply
Jaramin - Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - linkThe temperature data was really interesting. Would love to see that more often. And why leave out the AMD Phenom II X4 920 ? Reply
Holly - Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - linkThanks for the review folks, much appreciated :-) Reply
yyrkoon - Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - linkHow about buying a regular part, and under volting it yourself ? Can these new parts be under volted themselves ? Why isnt intel selling a Core 2 that is internally a laptop CPU, but externally a socket 775 part ? e.g. "we" would like a desktop 25W TDP CPU.
Things that make you go "hmmm" ?
Too bad Cyrix, and possibly more ( Centuar ? ) CPU makers are no longer around, we're getting stuck in some stupid war between two manufactures, instead of embracing newer, and better technology; At Intel's whim. How about something truly revolutionary . . . Reply
strikeback03 - Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - linkProbably because most users are not running off solar/wind, and a few more kW per month are not a huge deal. Reply
WillR - Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - linkA few kW average per month is most people's electric bills. :) I wanted to say, if more people considered every watt used a big deal then more people might be able to run off panels on their roof. Every watt certainly matters by the time you count how many electrical devices you have in your home. Reply
strikeback03 - Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - linkkWh, my bad.
I live in upstate NY. Until there is a revolution in efficiency of panels, no one will be running 100% off solar up here. Reply
Jansen - Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - linkhttp://www.dailytech.com/Intel+Cuts+Prices+Introdu...">http://www.dailytech.com/Intel+Cuts+Pri...Introduc...
DailyTech did a bit on the price cuts and the announcements a little while ago.
But this chart is much nicer :-) Reply
Giant Panda - Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - linkIntel's pricing is still so far off base on their quad cores. Right now on the egg a Phenom II X4 920 @ 2.8GHz is $195. The closest Intel CPU, the Q9550 Yorkfield @ 2.83GHz is $281.99. Granted, the Intel CPU is ever so slightly faster, and may overclock a bit better, but almost $100 worth of better? At the higher end the price gap becomes utterly ridiculous. The Phenom II X4 940 Black Edition @ 3.0GHz is $235. The closest Intel CPU, that also has an unlocked multiplier like the AMD, is the Core 2 Extreme QX9650 @ 3.0GHz which costs 1,029.99. Again, granted, the Intel CPU may be slightly faster and a better overclocker, but that is a price difference of 794.99. I could build an entire midrange system for that. What I would much rather see as a consumer, rather that a processor that consumes a bit less power, is a quad that is actually reasonably priced. While this seems to be the direction AMD has gone, Intel still charges you and arm a leg just for entry to the quad club. I'm no AMD fanboy, but I do believe in buying what gives the biggest bang for the buck. I bought an lga 775 motherboard almost a year ago because AMD simply couldn't compete at the time. I also had the intention of going to a quad core when they became more mainstream and affordable. If the prices of Intel chips don't drop substantially soon, I may just go ahead and get an AMD product and use the money I save to get a new motherboard. Reply
QChronoD - Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - linkAre you even bothering to look at the benchmarks? I understand that it is easiest to compare a PIIX4 940 Black @ 3.0GHz with a C2E QX9650 @ 3.0GHz because the numbers are the same. But looking at the x264 benchmarks(the only one that is relevant to me) it's really only as fast as the Q9400 @ 2.66GHz. According to the egg, the X4 940 is on sale for $253 while the Q9400 is only $229.
Your entire argument is pointless because you've fallen for the MHz myth it seems. There hasn't been clock parity since the days of PIII and original Athlon. Reply
Giant Panda - Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - linkYes, I am considering benchmarks. According to Anand techs own video game benchmarks (the only thing I care about) in the recent Phenom II article, the closest match to the Phenom II X4 920 in terms of performance is the Q9450, which is no longer listed on the egg. However the Q9550, which is still listed, is anywhere from about 2 to 10 fps faster in benchmarks, but costs almost $100 more. I am not trying to argue that these two CPUs have identical performance. As I stated previously the Intel CPU is without question a faster CPU, but it is not all that much faster especially when you consider the price difference. That boils down to anywhere from about $9 to $50 per additional fps, depending on the game. I'm sorry but the cost to benefit simply is not there. You would be much better off investing that money into a better video card, motherboard, or more RAM. This isn't even factoring in that AMD motherboards tend to be cheaper as well, lowering the overall cost of the system, or conversely, allowing you to get a better AMD CPU to make up that performance gap and still end up ahead. Reply
strikeback03 - Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - linkFar and away the most cost efficient thing for those like you who only care about games is to stick with your dual core, followed by getting a faster dual-core or an SSD. Check the performance numbers in the Phenom II launch article, as most of the games are not using the quad-cores, very few of them look good in added performance for the money. Reply
WillR - Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - linkWhat it really boils down to is "which socket do you already have?". And Intel knows this. Think about it, they've been beating AMD pretty much since the C2D's came out so most people adopted that platform and already own Socket T/775 boards with C2D chips. Now that AMD has released a competing 45nm quad core, Intel has had to lower their prices to attract purchases of customers they already had. The decision for many people (including yourself) is do you spend $280 on a new Q9550 or $195 for a new P2 920 and another $100-150 on a new motherboard that will make it work? Clearly the almost $300 CPU is the cheaper option. And I'd bet most will go for the Q8200 or the Q9400. "Most" being the average consumer that buys it and gets someone else to install it for them. Intel would be silly not to get another $85, or even the $35 for the Q9400, out of customers that are upgrading from Core2Duo's. IMO, it's worth it just to avoid the hassle of changing 2 pieces of hardware at 1 time. That's a major headache if one of the parts is DOA.
The only place Intel can lose business (in reference to quad cores) to AMD right now is people buying Phenom 9600s for $110 that want a quad core "just because", to people that already have an AM2 platform, AMD fanbois, and people that have not bothered to upgrade their 2Ghz P4 yet. And those last aren't going to go with AMD because they think AMD parts are cheap for a reason. There are many people that just won't buy from tech companies like AMD because they consider them "second rate" businesses with low quality products, even though they've never owned anything they make. Reply
plonk420 - Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - linkwhat build of x264 was this?
i'm assuming this build was downloaded via MeGUI and its updater... Reply
Jedi2155 - Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - linkHave we really become that? I didn't think there ever wood be high volume enthusiasts. Reply
hansmuff - Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - linkI was hoping to get some information about how the chip overclocks and if there are significant differences between it and the non-S cores in terms of overclocking.
Anything the author can add? Reply
B3an - Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - linkExactly, thats what nearly all of us care about. Such an OBVIOUS thing to have in the article. Reply
Anand Lal Shimpi - Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - linkThe Q9550S didn't overclock any better than our other Q9550 that we used in the overclocking section in the Phenom II review.
-A Reply
Giant Panda - Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - linkYou people really need to read before you post. At the bottom of page one the author states and I quote "...and in case you're wondering, no, they don't overclock any better. Our Q9550S couldn't get any further than the Q9550 we used in our Phenom II review." If you aren't going to even bother reading the article why do you bother to post and ask questions that were answered in the article you clearly didn't even read? Reply
Ryun - Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - linkIn the Photoshop tests I'm assuming you calculated joules by multiplying the time it took to complete the test by the average system wattage drawn from the wall. If that is the case the Phenom II 940 joules should be closer to about 3800 joules (24.2sec * 157watts) and not the 4700 joules you have listed.
Please correct me if I am mistaken. Reply
Anand Lal Shimpi - Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - linkI actually took the system power every second during the test and summed that. The numbers are close, but not identical.
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JPForums - Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - linkIn general when people say average, they are talking about the Arithmetic mean.
Arithmetic mean = 1/n*(X1 + ... + Xn)
or in English a list of numbers divided by the number of items in the list.
In your case this would mean summing the list of power measurements taken at one second intervals and dividing by the number of measurements which would be the integer number of seconds. You could then calculate joules by multiplying that average by the total time.
The only way the sum of power measurements and calculation made by multiplying the average power by the time would be different is if the number of measurements for the sum and the average are different. In this scenario, the calculation made with more data points would be more accurate (think integration).
So the question becomes: How did you calculate your average? It appears that your average has more data points given that the total test time is measured to 1/10 seconds and your summation was only one second intervals.
That said, the difference between the summation and the result calculated from the average should be small as you stated. The Q9550S results, for instance, only differs by 113(3244-3131) joules and the Core i7-920 differs by a mere 86(2818-2732) joules. Even the Phenom X4 9950 only has a delta of 69(5474-5405) joules. However, the Phenom II 940 has a delta of 898(4697-3799) joules.
This massive difference leads me to suspect that either the average power, the total time, or the total energy for this processor was reported incorrectly. If we assume the average power and the maximum power are the same, then the delta shrinks to 220(4697-4490) joules. Alternately, if we assume that the Phenom II 940 is the same speed as the Phenom 9950, the delta shrinks to 207(4697-4477) joules. Both of the assumptions seem unreasonable to me, and neither get the delta as small as it should be. So I ask, now that I've presented a reasonable case, please recheck your total energy numbers as Ryun suggested. Reply
harijan - Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - linkIt still it doesn't make sense. How can it use 4700 joules yet average 157 watts over 24 seconds? Or have a max of 188 Watts?
4697 Joules / 24.2 seconds = 195 Watts average Reply
Anand Lal Shimpi - Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - linkWoops, you're completely right :) The issue wasn't with the power measurement but with the performance. The performance data for the run that I measured power under was incorrect. A re-run fixes that problem. The Q9450 was also impacted slightly.
It's worth mentioning that the performance and power data are taken at two different times. First the performance data, then the power data. The performance during the power run is close but not always identical to the performance during the performance run. There's going to be some variation depending on the test.
Take care,
Anand Reply
GourdFreeMan - Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - linkI have to agree. There is something wrong with Anand's methodology. Also, look at his specious reasoning for the difference in processor ranking between his "average" power and the energy consumed in the Fallout 3 section, where the tests are run for the same time interval. He is measuring total system power, so the improved idle efficiency of the Nehalems should already be incorporated in those numbers. Average power draw is by definition total energy consumed divided by time interval over which it is consumed. Either taking instantaneous measurements and treating them as averages for each second or simple human error could be responsible for the discrepancy. Reply
JPForums - Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - linkI wouldn't call it suspicious, just a flaw in the procedure. If you have a sine wave and a cosine wave at the same frequency, amplitude, and offset measured once per period, one will look much larger than the other even though they average out to be exactly the same. Likewise, if you have two computers drawing the same average power, but you happen to record one during mostly high fluctuations and the other during mostly low fluctuations, you'll get two very different results.
You need more samples to get accurate results. The best method would be to record a power graph using the smallest period possible. Then, integrate the power under the curve. Convert the units to seconds to get energy in joules. Divide by the number of samples to get the average power. Reply
GourdFreeMan - Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - linkJPForums, I appreciate your efforts to elucidate my remarks to Anand, but I must comment on two things. First, the word I used was "specious" not "suspicious". There is a difference, just as there is a difference between "average power draw" and "an average of periodically sampled power draws". These two are only guaranteed to coincide if the samples themselves are average powers or in the limit as the period they are sampled over approaches 0. (The latter remark is directed at your definition of average in the first paragraph of your other post). Reply
Ryun - Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - linkI was expecting a much bigger delta compared to the 95W quads in wattage. Reply
Ryun - Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - linkMeant to end with, "Thanks for the review."
So, thanks. =) Reply
harijan - Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - linkno idle power usage numbers? Reply
michael2k - Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - linkUnfortunately 65W is still too hot for a 17" MacBook Pro.
mmntech - Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - linkWhat about the Core 2 Quad Q9100? Penryn based quad core at 2.26ghz and 45w TDP. It's ridiculously expensive though at $851.
http://ark.intel.com/cpu.aspx?groupId=37033">http://ark.intel.com/cpu.aspx?groupId=37033 Reply
michael2k - Thursday, January 29, 2009 - linkI think it has to hit 35W before Apple can shove it into a MacBook. Though that would work in an iMac now. Reply


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MSI Big Bang-XPower II X79 Review – A World of Novelty Heatsinksby Ian Cutress on 2/25/2012 3:00 PM EST
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physical - Saturday, February 25, 2012 - linkI really don't like firearm themed heatsinks... I don't really like any sort of novelty heatsink. It makes my expensive components look cheap. Reply
CloudFire - Saturday, February 25, 2012 - linkCompletely agree with you. It annoys me when companies put on gimmicky designs such as bullets/firearms as heatsinks. I've seen plenty of creative/awesome heatsink designs that uses unique angular designs and looks amazing, instead of this crappy feel of "firearms". It's a computer motherboard for crying out loud, not a damn rifle. One thing's for sure, I will never buy any product that has heatsinks looking like that. Reply
essemzed - Saturday, February 25, 2012 - link+1!
I would also add that being totally at ease with my penis and its performance, I do not feel compelled to find comfort in the purchase of this childish motherboard.
(apologies for my broken english!)
smz Reply
Bownce - Tuesday, February 28, 2012 - linkFreud wrote, "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity". Time to give the firearm bashing a rest and get back to tech. Reply
g00ey - Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - linkSorry, but Freud never wrote that. The statement is a misconception and a paraphrase of Freud's work from "Guns, Murders, and the Constitution" (February 1990) by Don B. Kates, Jr. Reply
bigboxes - Saturday, February 25, 2012 - linkAnyways.... if you're through with your childish rant... who cares what it looks like? Look at the benchmarks, the feature set and the supplied software. If you don't have a window in your case why on Earth would you care what it looks like? Function over form is what I always say. Reply
CloudFire - Sunday, February 26, 2012 - linkAnyways, if you're through with your narrow point of view, what if someone has a window on their case and care what the mobo looks likes? I never knew that having an opinion that differs from yours, hail the almighty, makes that person childish. Get off your high horse. Reply
Sabresiberian - Sunday, February 26, 2012 - linkIt's interesting that you claim bigboxes has a "narrow point of view", when you say you would never use a mainboard that uses firearm themed heatsinks.
While I'm not thrilled with the heatsink looks in the pictures, if this board fit my needs the best, I'm not going to shoot myself in the foot by not using it because I think the heatsinks are ugly.
Appearance is largely a matter of personal taste in these things anyway. I rarely find fault in another person's desire for different esthetics than me, just in them finding fault in mine.
;) Reply
CloudFire - Sunday, February 26, 2012 - linkI agree with you, everyone has their own personal opinion and it is about personal taste in esthetics. I merely voiced my own opinion but when someone else comes in and starts an ad hominem attack about how someone else opinion's is "childish" because it differs from theirs, then I would say that is a narrow point of view. Any person could have simply disagreed respectfully like how adults do and it would have been perfectly fine.
Just like for you, if you used this board for it's features, I would have no problem and would not find any fault in your decision because it is your own opinion which I respect.
;) Reply
Ben90 - Sunday, February 26, 2012 - linkThe motherboard would look cool as hell if it wasn't for the Gatling gun and stupid heatsink. While I agree looks aren't everything, this mobo just screams "I'm a giant fag". Reply
Operandi - Sunday, February 26, 2012 - link"Giant fag" might be going a bit far but unless MSI is aiming for the immature 14 year old who lives their life through MW or BF I think they missed the mark big time with the design. Which is too bad because I otherwise I like the murdered out all black aesthetic.
As it is Asus, Gigabyte are both making great boards that don't look stupid so I can easily skip this and look elsewhere. Reply
leignheart - Wednesday, May 16, 2012 - linknah it would only scream that if you owned it Ben90 Reply
bobeedee - Sunday, February 26, 2012 - linkgot to agree with physical-leave the stupid toys off of the motherboard. Reply
Bownce - Tuesday, February 28, 2012 - linkI think they're great. They should also include bandoleers for overclocking, a tiny lever action for resetting, and a D.B. icon for when it crashes. Reply
Oxford Guy - Saturday, February 25, 2012 - linkIsn't that exciting! Wow!
Guys! Maybe think about cooling it with the exclamation point! Most of the review blurbs on the main page have them! Reply
Oxford Guy - Saturday, February 25, 2012 - linkProbably the best PSU ever! Like O-My-Gosh!
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5464/seasonic-platin... Reply
coolhardware - Saturday, February 25, 2012 - linkI like all the exclamation points!
PS Thanks for all the reviews and content lately, it is nice to see AnandTech updated so often... Reply
Iketh - Saturday, February 25, 2012 - linkThis particle article I didn't care to read in its entirety, so I glanced through hoping to find the few pieces of information I wanted. One was the MSRP... it's always listed at the bottom of the spec list in every other review on this site. Why omit it here? Please adhere to some of these simple standards so that your articles are less taxing on the reader. Reply
IanCutress - Saturday, February 25, 2012 - linkThere are no official standards in motherboard reviewing, so unless you provide a list of official 'simple standards' then there is nothing to do apart from consider your request/command to have it exactly where you specifically want information XYZ. The MSRP is listed in a number of places throughout the review (and is consistent with previous reviews) - a link through on the product to a retailer on the test bed, and the last page in particular. It wouldn't be a proper review if we didn't talk about the price! For the record, it is currently $390.
All the best,
Ian Reply
Iketh - Saturday, February 25, 2012 - linkSure there is. The articles on this site follow a similar pattern regardless of what they're about. After not finding the price in the introduction, I knew to jump to the page that introduces the board to find the spec sheet. Unfortunately, the price was not listed at the bottom as it normally is.
Of course you talked about the price, I just didn't want to read the full article to find it as I alluded to in my first post. It's a request based on what I'm used to at this site, not a command.
And by the way, there are very few articles I rarely read from beginning to end here. It's just the theme of this board is childish, like a cheap toy when it's anything but. Reply
Sabresiberian - Sunday, February 26, 2012 - linkAre you kidding me?
If you don't want to read a real review, I suggest you stop reading at Anandtech.com. There are plenty of sites that offer popcorn reviews for people like you.
Not everything can be said in a sound bite.
Keep up the good work, Ian!
;) Reply
Iketh - Sunday, February 26, 2012 - linkWhat are you talking about? You're way off subject. Reply
mschira - Saturday, February 25, 2012 - linkSo what is the maximum amount of working memory this supports?
64 Gb? (8x8) or "only 32 (8x4)
M. Reply
earthrace57 - Saturday, February 25, 2012 - linkMost likely 64 GB unless they limited it somehow.
I'm pretty sure its just how many GB or ram you can put in 1 stick at the time of making x number of slots...I don't think there really is a limitation.
Someone got 48 GB stable on a X58 motherboard, which is bound to 24 GB supposedly... Reply
Zolcos - Saturday, February 25, 2012 - linkOdd that on such an expensive mobo with dual LAN and both kinds of spdif, they included firewire of all things but left out eSATA from the main cluster? It seems like a 'core' enough feature that it shouldn't require an expansion plate like this one does imo. Reply
bigboxes - Saturday, February 25, 2012 - linkThis mobo has USB 3.0 so the need for eSATA will be minimal. However, if you still want it they provide a powered dual-eSATA bracket for the back. What more do you want? Reply
DanNeely - Sunday, February 26, 2012 - linkIn addition because XL-ATX cases have room for 10 expansion slots you could mount the bracket between the main cluster and top GPU; so you it won't cut into your expansion like it would on a standard ATX system. Reply
iamkyle - Saturday, February 25, 2012 - linkSurprised the Marvell or Realtek mafia didn't come after MSI. FINALLY a reputable networking solution. Why can't every mainboard manufacturer do this? Reply
Iketh - Saturday, February 25, 2012 - linkAsus ROG motherboards have Intel also, along with X-Fi sound. The GENE-Z/GEN3 is only $180. I hope this is selling like hotcakes for them so it sends a message through the industry. Reply
Sabresiberian - Sunday, February 26, 2012 - linkThe sound solution on Asus' otherwise excellent boards is really not significantly better than what other manufacturers offer without requiring a daughter card to take up the space of another slot.
If you want more than what mainboards offer, then a discreet sound solution is still the only way to go. (I might suggest Asus' own products there.)
For my purposes onboard sound is a waste of money in the kind of build I want, I would rather there be no sound components at all built in the MB and the price be a little lower.
;) Reply
Iketh - Sunday, February 26, 2012 - linkI disagree. Onboard X-Fi is far better than the regular ALC codecs, and I'm saying that with my living room computer using a $160 shielded X-Fi PCIe card and my personal desktop using the Asus ROG. I can't tell the difference between the 2 using the same 5.1 setup.
I'm also not touching Asus' sound solutions just based on reviews of their products at retailers. Granted, I haven't looked at every model from them.
I agree that I'd rather not have any sound solution on the motherboard, unless of course it's a full discreet solution integrated in the board. But like I said, I'm very happy with the X-Fi chip in the ROGs. Reply
Iketh - Sunday, February 26, 2012 - linkAlso, what daughter card are you speaking of? Asus has the X-Fi on the board, and that's on a micro-atx form factor. Reply
DanNeely - Sunday, February 26, 2012 - linkIntel NICs are more expensive than Marvell/Realtek NICs and very few people actually know enough to care. Reply
TerdFerguson - Saturday, February 25, 2012 - linkThat the reviewer very mistakenly thinks that BIOS flashback, SSD caching, better fan controls, and an auto-overclock system are worth $70 alone illustrates how worthless his opinions and reviews are to me and to most users. Reply
OwnedKThxBye - Sunday, February 26, 2012 - linkYou illustrate how worthless your opinion is by not being able to read the review correctly.
The board looks great apart from the heatsinks. Love the review Ian. Reply
Sabresiberian - Sunday, February 26, 2012 - linkThe MSI mainboard is also capable of quad SLI, whereas the Asus board is not.
As far as someone who likes to call himself "TerdFerguson" speaking for most other Anandtech users - I suggest your opinion of yourself is grossly over-inflated. The only fault that I find hear is that some Anandtech moderator hasn't required you to change your name to something less tasteless.
;) Reply
IceDread - Monday, February 27, 2012 - linkYou do not care about micro stuttering do you? Using three graphic cards... no thanks. Reply
pandemonium - Wednesday, February 29, 2012 - linkUmm, what?
"Amazingly, the three-way setup has a tremendous advantage over two cards in CrossFire."
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-geforce... Reply
Sabresiberian - Sunday, February 26, 2012 - linkIt's good to see MSI producing top-level boards again. Most of my builds pre-Nehalem were based on MSI products, but my last 2 builds were not in part because MSI had nothing competitive to offer at the time (for my particular purposes). Good job MSI!
;) Reply
thetuna - Sunday, February 26, 2012 - link"This is in comparison to the audio, which is only the ALC898"
What's that X-Fi I see? Reply
cjs150 - Monday, February 27, 2012 - linkWhat Market were MSI thinking of?
If extreme overclockers then first thing they will do is rip the silly themed heatsinks off board and stick something that delivers better cooling (probably water cooling blocks).
If not extreme overclockers then why have so many PCI slots - what are people going to fill them with. Can understand 2x GPU, maybe a sound card and a RAID Card, then what? Reply
vectorm12 - Monday, February 27, 2012 - linkGoing by probability I'd rather have 7x PCIe slots than 4x PCIe + 2/3 PCI.
Your point is partly valid though as the slots aren't properly multiplexed for scenarios where all seven slots would be occupied(GPGPU, storage, etc).
In any case I'd be the last person to mourn the death of PCI, but Intel needs to get more lanes into the CPUs to reduce the amount of multiplexing in order for this amount of slots to make real sense. Reply
pramodhdrift - Tuesday, February 28, 2012 - linkHi friends i am from bangalore
i need a asus motherboard under 7k for my i5 2500K Processor
and also the motherboard should support in HD Graphics 3000.
I5 Comes with an 1.5 intell GPU, i am going to buy Graphic card in next 4 moths.
INTELL HD GRAPHICS. Reply
JohnyGhzs - Thursday, April 19, 2012 - linkthis board is the best out thier and this is from an loyal evga owner their power for cpu is unmatched on this board with Great psu for ocing and sli/crossfire
set ups is world class her
do not like gat gun and ammo remove them i will to be putting on water blocks anyways!
love the black and layout is as close to perfect ! Reply
JohnyGhzs - Thursday, April 19, 2012 - linkps from someone that is buying one becacuase your not going to be in my house so who really cares how it looks in anyways ! Reply


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