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Toshiba Portege R835: Less Ultra, More Notebookby Dustin Sklavos on 3/30/2012 11:35 AM EST
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rudolphna - Friday, March 30, 2012 - linkYou guys are really down on laptops with HDDs. Yes, you are enthusiasts, but apparently you are forgetting that 99% of laptops sold come with a 5,400RPM HDD. I personally have a $380 Lenovo Z565 (Upgraded slightly) with a WD Scorpio 320GB that is perfectly sufficient for my needs (I have a Crucial m4 in my desktop). No, it isn't as fast booting up or starting programs as an SSD would be, but it's not horrible either, and it's perfectly usable.
I think you guys pay too much attention to the high end. Maybe you should start doing reviews on more mainstream models that people actually BUY. Go into your local Best Buy, and take your pick of laptop hardware from $400-$700. There are plenty of them, and those are the volume sellers, that most consumer actually BUY. They don't come with SSDs, or lots of bells and whistles. But anandtech reviews $1000+ unit after $1000+ unit. I don't NEED a laptop that price, that's what I have my 2500k based desktop for. Reply
cknobman - Friday, March 30, 2012 - linkSorry but I am with AnandTech on this one.
I loath any laptop (or desktop) with a HDD boot drive now and would never consider buying a new computer that did not have an SSD.
In fact with todays HDD and SSD price I really see no reason (especially in a laptop) to use and HDD as a primary boot drive. You can buy a fantastic 120GB SSD for <=$120.
For me I dont need 300+ GB of storage in my laptop, that is what I have desktops and servers for at home. All I need on a laptop is enough storage to install my OS, important programs, a few games, and then as needed transfer over any large data files from my server/desktop.
The user experience from and HDD to SSD really is a big leap and it does in fact change the perception of a laptop and its usability. I went from never using my laptop, due to loathing 5+ minute startup times, to it being my "go to" machine as I can have it up and running in seconds(literally). Reply
rudolphna - Friday, March 30, 2012 - linkThen you are doing it wrong. My $380 laptop with HDD starts up in a minute to a fully usable desktop. While I'm not disagreeing with anand on the benefits of SSD (Remember, I have one in my desktop), what most people fail to remember ist hat the laptops MOST consumers buy are in the $350-$700 price range. Firstly, people aren't going to understand the benefits of SSD, they are going to see "Oh it only has a 64GB Harddrive? Pass" Secondly, they aren't going to want to pay more for it. I spent 18 months selling computers to people, and on both of these points I can garuntee. Reply
lewisl9029 - Friday, March 30, 2012 - linkPersonally I would much rather buy a laptop that comes with an HDD and decide which SSD to upgrade to on my own rather than to pay premium for one with an unknown brand/controller that the manufacturer decides to shove in there for the sake of having an SSD. Reply
Loberts91 - Monday, April 02, 2012 - linkI agree with this. I wouldn't buy a laptop that has an SSD simply because it could be bundled with CRAP. I have an Agility 3 and know what a crap SSD is really like. I plan on buying a laptop with a HDD and buying a Samsung 830 60GB for it, least that way I know that it has a quality SSD.
Besides, the HDDs are selling second hand like hot cakes on ebay, allowing you to make some money back on the ordeal. Reply
cknobman - Friday, March 30, 2012 - linkOh so you have a laptop with a factory image (not a hdd that you wiped and performed your own custom install and disabled everything) that starts in 1 minute? I call bs.
Not only have I sold laptops/desktops (at BestBuy) before but I have also been building my own systems (and for family) for over a decade.
Customers will buy from the options they are given, take a look at ultrabooks as plenty of them come with smaller SSDs.
I dont know a single person who does not despise their slow performing laptop when it comes to system startup/shutdown/app startup. All of this would be remedied with an SSD.
I have a pretty good grasp of different user bases as I am a applications developer in a corporate environment so not only do I (and fellow developers) deal with slow hard drives in our laptops but I am also interfacing (on a regular basis) with business users in who feel the same. Reply
Chubblez - Friday, March 30, 2012 - linkNot really.
Lenovo X120e
Stock 320GB 7MM Hitachi (5400RPM)
Cold to desktop in 51sec.
Lenovo W520
Intel i7 2760QM
Seagate 500GB 7200RPM
Cold to desktop in 45 sec.
AMD FX4 3150 (I think. The cheap quad-core)
2x Seagate 1TB SATA 6 in RAID 0
Cold to desktop in 48 sec. Reply
MrSpadge - Saturday, March 31, 2012 - linkLenovo X121e
Stock 320GB 7MM Hitachi (5400RPM)
A very nice machine.. unless you want it to do anything HDD-related. That's so dog-slow, even my GF notices! (having seen alternatives around the house..) Reply
ExarKun333 - Saturday, March 31, 2012 - linkYou sound clueless. Just click 'no' on those banner adds from now on...;) Reply
cknobman - Monday, April 02, 2012 - linkSnide remark with no relevant input on the subject at hand and your calling me clueless???? LOL. Reply
Arkive - Monday, April 02, 2012 - linkWhile you might be right that the average user might buy a lower end laptop, the bulk of Anandtech readers do not fall into that category I don't think. Most folks here are power users and will generally shell out a little more money for a laptop than the average user, so in this case, I think focusing on $1,000+ laptops makes sense for the site. Reply
dananski - Friday, March 30, 2012 - linkI don't think it's right to say "you're doing it wrong" if your computer doesn't boot up quickly from HDD. People have different requirements and I expect yours are quite minimal, allowing you to reduce startup programs and clutter and get a decent experience from a relatively slow drive. Other people will need quicker access to more/heavier applications.
Mind you, I agree the storage/price ratio will put many standard users off. I managed to get a laptop with both a smallish, nippy SSD and a slow but spacious HDD for the best of both worlds, but very few companies seem to offer that. Reply
gorash - Friday, March 30, 2012 - linkMost people don't even know what a GB is. They probably fill the laptop up with just a couple of photos and use about 1% of the HDD space. Reply
gorash - Friday, March 30, 2012 - linkBut I bet that if the laptop boots up in 15 seconds instead of 30 seconds then they'll think "Wow! This laptop is so FAST!" Reply
Snotling - Saturday, March 31, 2012 - linkI agree, most companies are perfectly happy designing products for ignorant people who look at numbers and don't understand what they mean. Just put in a number where less is more and they'll buy the bigger one anyway!
nowadays, products are designed to fit a price-point, not to fill a purpose and that's the big problem. Only a few companies do it the other way around, Apple is unfortunately one of them, Dyson is another.
I want a laptop for "work" not for 700$ once you realize that, then you don't mix the More RAM = needs discreet graphics. a dumb mix for a "worker's laptop" since it'll eat at the battery and provide no added value. but that's what they do. throw in a 1080p display instead, I'll see more lines of my spreadsheet. They just won't, the ignorant are too many and too lucrative a market to bother with people who make informed purchase decisions. Reply
KPOM - Sunday, April 01, 2012 - link256GB SSDs are now about $400, plus with the HDD shortage, the premium is a little bit smaller. Plus, how many people really need all that storage in a portable. I have used a MacBook Air with an SSD since late 2008 and I hate going back to my HDD-equipped work PC. Lots of tasks, not just booting, seems a bit sluggish, particularly when I see that hard drive LED blinking away.
Put an SSD-equipped machine next to a HDD-equipped machine, and it's easy to see the difference in opening and closing programs. People get fixated on the processor, but the weakest link in the chain in the HDD.
The whole point of the ultrabook project is to get away from the $350-$500 bulky commoditized notebook. Reply
frostyfiredude - Friday, March 30, 2012 - linkThere are obviously a lot of people who don't mind the HDD, yes even semi-enthusiasts. Others may require a HDD for storage reasons, especially if it's their only computer. Plenty of my friends have filled up their 320-500GB HDDs almost to the rim with who knows what, there is no way they would buy a 1100$ 512GB SSD to fit all their data in. Manufacturers clearly realize this and so we are seeing most laptops with HDDs, sometimes with the option to upgrade to a SSD in more premium models.
The choice for a decent SSD from Toshiba for a reasonable price would be very welcome here, but as the only option I disagree.
That said, in notebooks and desktops over ~600$ I think an mSATA SSD cache drive or hybrid HDD should be standard by now; they are good stop gap options until the market is ready for SSDs and SSDs have a good enough $/GB ratio. They offer solid bumps in responsiveness for an only minor price bump, while still maintaining the storage capacity wanted/required by a decent amount of buyers.
Also 13" and under laptops should no longer have optical drives while we're at it, fill the space previously occupied by the drive with a larger battery and ship an external drive for the once in a blue moon time it's required. Reply
cclark1593 - Saturday, March 31, 2012 - linkSSDs are good, but with limited space, they're not quite ideal for someone looking at a laptop as a main computer if said computer only has space for one drive.
That said, I think anyone looking at a laptop for a main should not be looking at ultrabooks, or anything such, but a 16" or even a 17" with at least two drive bays. This allows use of both a SSD and a mechanical HDD, and is a nice arrangement that would make large laptops enticing to buyers. Reply
Calin - Monday, April 02, 2012 - link"You can buy a fantastic 120GB SSD for <=$120"
But 90% or more of the laptops I've seen have only space for one hard drive, and 120GB might not be large enough for a lot of prospective buyers.
But I totally agree with rudolphna - I understand that those review units are provided by their builders (and not bought by Anandtech), but I would prefer laptop tests to be done in close to the default configuration. Reply
yyrkoon - Tuesday, April 03, 2012 - linkA perfect example of why personal opinion should be left out of reviews.
The reviewed hardware obviously came with a HDD, and not an SSD. An informed purchaser will know this before buying. e.g. a moot point.
1) The buyer is clueless, and it wont matter anyhow.
2) The potential buyer knows what he/she wants and . . .
a) opts out.
b) Purchases laptop + SSD
c) is perfectly happy with included storage media.
System stability, performance of the included hardware ( not what *could have* been included ), cooling, noise, screen quality, warranty, price. These, among others are what is important. The order of which is most important is again, subjective ( personal opinion ).
Personally, I would be far more worried about the super high temps. Than worrying about something I should have already known when I bought the system.
For what it is worth, I have an ASUS AMD A3400 A6 laptop that runs warm too when under a full load. Though, not quite that warm, unless overclocked. 74C is about as high as it goes standard. So perhaps the cooling "issue" is not so much an Intel/Toshiba issue. Still, it has me a bit worried. *shrug* Reply
MooseMuffin - Friday, March 30, 2012 - linkI actually have this laptop and I replaced the HDD with a SSD within two weeks of owning it. Reply
TrackSmart - Friday, March 30, 2012 - linkDitto. I have the R700 (basically the same laptop). I installed a small SSD and put the original hard disk in the optical drive bay. A nice compromise that wouldn't be possible in an ultrabook.
Now if they would only start making decent screens on these things... Reply
agent2099 - Friday, March 30, 2012 - linkThat is really the way to go. Manufactures charge a huge premium for adding ssds. Reply
steven75 - Friday, March 30, 2012 - linkAnandtech isn't a site for "most people", it's a site for tech enthusiasts. They are right to recommend SSDs over HDDs at this point in time. The cost-to-benefit ratio is very much in favor of SSDs. Reply
pdjblum - Friday, March 30, 2012 - linkThis is a crapple-centric site that used to be an enthusiast site. Now Anand and all his sheep primarily use crapple and measure everything against it. Reply
TrackSmart - Friday, March 30, 2012 - linkI have no love for apple, but I don't see the problem here. If you are not willing to buy a laptop with a crappy screen and and less than stellar build quality, that doesn't leave you with many other options outside of Apple, a few very expensive models from Sony, and the HP Envy series (which doesn't always have the display upgrade available). Like it or not, Apple sells a lot of laptops and also sets a pretty high bar for overall build quality, which is why they are so often used as a benchmark for comparison. Reply
Snotling - Saturday, March 31, 2012 - linkDell XPS also have a few decent offers... Reply
frostyfiredude - Friday, March 30, 2012 - linkAre you saying Anand's standards have gone up because they use Apple machines now?
If so, I don't see how that is an issue.
You have to admit that Apple makes excellent machines, hence why they are the reference; they use some of the best displays, two of the best chassis designs, consistently excellent battery life, and they do all the little things like keyboards and trackpads right every time. Reply
ImSpartacus - Saturday, March 31, 2012 - linkYup. I wish I could buy a PC, but Macbooks are way too damn good (the TRACKPAD). And bootcamp works well enough, so it's little inconvenience. Reply
MrSpadge - Saturday, March 31, 2012 - linkSure, the average buyer just goes for "cheap enough", maybe with a little extra. But that doesn't mean this is good or the right way for them. Instead of upgrading this Toshiba with 2 GB more RAM for 50$ it should have gotten a 128 GB SSD for maybe 100$+. That would have turned it into a much more usable machine (for most purposes.. external storage is still your friend). Reply
damianrobertjones - Saturday, March 31, 2012 - link"I think you guys pay too much attention to the high end. Maybe you should start doing reviews on more mainstream models that people actually BUY"
+1. The site might get a whole new flood of people paying a visit. I don;t know five people that would even THINK about spending over £600 on a laptop as it's ALL around the basement price. Reply
SongEmu - Saturday, March 31, 2012 - linkIf you're in the market for a super cheap notebook, you're probably not an Anandtech regular. And even if you are, you're not reading reviews on your craptop. You're typically ticking off check boxes, i.e.:
dual core proc
DVD drive
X inch monitor.
There is nothing exciting under $600. not for notebooks. Reply
ScottHavens - Friday, March 30, 2012 - linkI saw the resolution was only 1366x768 on a 13.3" display and just skipped the rest. Reply
ScottHavens - Friday, March 30, 2012 - linkI gave in and read the rest of the review; I see that my complaint has been addressed by the author. When will it get addressed by the manufacturers? Reply
rudolphna - Friday, March 30, 2012 - linkSuch snobs people are anymore. So this is basically the same thing as my previous post, but did you not realize that 99% of laptops sold to actual normal consumers are 1366x768, both in 14" and 15.6" versions? At the price point, maybe you should not complain. And seriously? 768 in a 13.3" screen isn't good enough? My my my. Reply
welshy992 - Friday, March 30, 2012 - link768p in a 15.6 inch screen is really bad. You can't do anything useful with that. The resolution is so cramped. You can't even open an entire word document or a web page without always having to scroll. Did you not realize that 99% of laptops sold USED to have a higher vertical resolution than 768p?
If all you do on your laptop is Facebook, watch movies, and play games, then yes 768p in a 15.6 inch form factor is fine. For spreadsheets, coding, word docs, or any other form of content creation it is not worth it. I'd rather chain myself to a desk with an external monitor like I'm doing right now. Reply
Coup27 - Friday, March 30, 2012 - linkrudolphna this is quite clearly a enthusiasts website by enthusiasts. The people who walk into bestbuy and buy a $400 laptop with a 1366x768 TN LCD with a 5,400rpm HDD and think it's great because they have no knowledge to say otherwise. These people will also not be reading Anandtech. I don't want Anandtech to read like a BBC Technology review or equivilent.
I also disagree with you on another point. Long before SSDs we had to accept the performance from a 5400rpm HDD. Now, it's quite clear that this performance for any user who knows how to use a laptop to its potential, is crap. Reply
rudolphna - Friday, March 30, 2012 - linkWell considering that I AM an enthusiast, and I have a desktop using Anandtech recommended components (2500k, P8Z68-V Pro, Crucial M4, Fractal Design Define R3 etc) I understand the point of view. However there are enthusiasts like me, that don't need or want a high end laptop.
My aforementioned laptop IS 768p, and I can do everything you just mentioned, perfectly fine. Sure I have to scroll. That's not really a big deal to me. Well, except coding.
Anandtech does reviews of low end PSUs, and laptops with A6s, etc. But they do the most expensive ones they can find. Anandtech may be an enthusiast site, but it wouldn't hurt to do a mainstream review every now and again.
YES the SSD is fast. But for what I need my laptop to do, I don't NEED one. Nor do 99% of people who buy laptops who the most intensive thing they will do is facebook games. If you keep your laptop clean and running light, as I do, I have no problems with a standard 5,400RPM drive. Granted, I'm pretty sure that Western Digitals 5400RPM drives are faster than Toshiba and Hitachis, but that' s beside the point. Reply
steven75 - Friday, March 30, 2012 - linkIf you're happy with a junky, poor performing laptop, more power to you. But don't expect most enthusiasts to agree with you. It's odd that you think they will. Reply
TrackSmart - Friday, March 30, 2012 - linkI respectfully disagree. I personally don't need to see lots of reviews of the cookie-cutter $400 laptops you describe. Maybe one or two examples per year, just to set the benchmark for what you get for that price point. If one of them breaks the mold in an important way, then yes, review it. But otherwise, why bother? I can describe most of them to you already.
That's not snobbery. I also agree that these $400 laptops it will do everything that the average person needs to do. But they occupy a part of the market where there profits are so low that there is little room for differentiation between models. Reply
retrospooty - Friday, March 30, 2012 - link"My aforementioned laptop IS 768p, and I can do everything you just mentioned, perfectly fine. Sure I have to scroll. That's not really a big deal to me"
That is exactly why we hate it. I dont want to scroll to click "OK" or "next" on every other window when I am working. Its aweful. Its not really about scrolling to read a web-page. Its about decision boxes and or buttons you need to click to process something, apply a change or make whatever decision your app or site needs you to make and you cant see the options or button because its below the bottom of the aweful 768 line screen. AAAAAAUGH just typing it pisses me off. LOL Reply
tim851 - Friday, March 30, 2012 - linkI have an 11" 768p laptop and I can't remember ever having to scroll for confirmation buttons. 1024x768 is the baseline for Windows 7, everything should be a-okay here. Reply
retrospooty - Saturday, March 31, 2012 - linkIts not.
I deal with alot of different software, servers and IT related stuff. Its totally unlivable.
I suppose for a normal person it works. Reply
KPOM - Sunday, April 01, 2012 - linkIt's good enough in an 11.6" display, but for 13" or larger a higher resolution ought to be standard by now. Having more vertical real estate is a good thing. Reply
retrospooty - Friday, March 30, 2012 - link"I saw the resolution was only 1366x768 on a 13.3" display and just skipped the rest."
Exactly. As soon as I see that it goes straight to the no way in hell would I but it or recomend it to anyone.Total deal breaker. My freegin 4 inch phone has almost that much res. Reply
dcianf - Friday, March 30, 2012 - linkAm I the only one seeing an iPhoto for iOS gallery on page 2? Reply
dave_the_nerd - Friday, March 30, 2012 - linkNope. Reply
Dustin Sklavos - Friday, March 30, 2012 - linkFixed. Reply
Colin1497 - Friday, March 30, 2012 - linkDidn't I just read an iPad review where it was discussed that chassis changes were expensive? Toshiba has been in this market for a LONG time. This is now 8 generations of product named Portege RXXX and there were Portege 2000 model (review from 2002: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,7722,00.asp). I've owned a number of them, going back to the 2000, and it's common for them to keep a chassis and general design around for 2 hardware cycles. I wouldn't be shocked at all to see the R9xx have a bunch more changes. Reply
bji - Friday, March 30, 2012 - linkHere is how I read an Anadtech notebook review:
Before reading a single word, skip immediately to the features chart on the first page. Look for the Display line item. If it says 768p, STOP. Do not read article. If it says something better, enjoy article.
Stop wasting your time reviewing notebooks with stupid display resolutions. I will not read them. Demand that vendors send you notebooks with worthwhile resolutions and refuse to review 768p notebooks.
Thank you. Reply
TegiriNenashi - Friday, March 30, 2012 - linkAmen Reply
Sunburn74 - Friday, March 30, 2012 - linkHonestly dude, I don't care. My laptop is for browsing and for word documents. I can get my pixel fixation at home. 1366x768 is fine up until around 14inch screens for most laptops. Reply
snuuggles - Monday, April 02, 2012 - linkGlad you have a toy. Some people have to get actual work done, so they need more than 768 height. Reply
arthur449 - Friday, March 30, 2012 - linkI just helped my sister choose a laptop to replace her 7 year old Dell laptop.
Based on my discussion with her for what she needs, I established the following minimum requirements:
1) 8GB memory--Because some people like to leave, at a minimum, 5 weeks of browser tabs open.
2) 7200rpm HDD--7200rpm drives are at least better than the 5400rpm garbage they're cramming in every laptop these days.
3) >1366x768 screen resolution.
4) <$750
Surprisingly, that eliminated HP entirely (my go-to brand, as popular brands tend to have problems that can be Google'd), and almost everything on Newegg. This led me to the following revelation: despite all the competition in the inexpensive laptop market currently, there's really not much in the way of meaningful choices for consumers. >95% of $400 - 700 laptops are going to have 720p, 5400rpm, or 4GB (or mismatched 6GB) of memory.
I'd love to have a balanced model to recommend for friends and family.
(We eventually settled on the Dell Inspiron 17R.) Reply
Impulses - Friday, March 30, 2012 - linkThe display is really your biggest limiting factor... The state of displays on laptops these days is a very sad affair. The $500-800 market is way over saturated and anyone that actually wants to pay more for some premium features doesn't really have a lot of choices without some massive compromises (or having to spend 3x as much).
That is why Anandtech reviews a lot of high end systems... There's very little interest amongst the reader base in having them highlight the minimal differences amongst all the budget models (this is addressed at the guy campaigning for more cheap laptop reviews).
If you fall in that camp just read one of their yearly laptop round-up or recommendation articles, they do a good job steering you in the right direction... Or go read PC World, Laptop Mag, etc. Reply
montanio - Friday, March 30, 2012 - linkI was in the market recently for a laptop replacement for my parents. I eventually found some deals on a VAIO SE (15.5") that are 1080p with very good viewing angles for $800 (Amazon) which is a good deal considering it doesn't require shipping/tax. Official website has similar configurations but tax makes it unattractive. I added a Samsung 830 128gb to it, bought a USB3 enclosure for the old 640gb drive, and added a 4GB stick for less than $200. I added a external sheet battery to double the battery life as well since that was one of the main selling points for the series ($90) Grand total is <1100, which isn't bad considering the quality of the screen is excellent. Weight is <2.0kg without the sheet battery, pretty slim, feels a bit fragile though. Its a bit over what you said, but laptop markets are all about compromises, typically with more severe trade offs the more "cheap" you box yourself into. Sometimes its worth the little bit more you put out, the point of diminishing returns depends on the brand/model.
Screen resolution is pretty important... I've always hated working on my 13" screen's 1366x768... Typing is okay, but if you need to reference things for example from a webpage, or have to edit your work later (especially documents with graphics) then its really a pain. 900p screens seem very attractive though, unfortunately the quality on them aren't exactly the best from looking at current laptops. Reply
arthur449 - Friday, March 30, 2012 - linkBoth of your suggestions are helpful, and if I were buying the laptop for myself, I'd definitely be adding the memory and replacing the HDD with an SSD myself (as vendor markup on those items is amusing). And if it were mine, I wouldn't mind the additional complexity of having a discrete/switchable GPU and a 15" or 14" screen, as this would be my secondary or tertiary computing system.
Unfortunately, if I end up doing that for her (she lives out of state) and something goes wrong with the rest of the hardware during the warranty period: we're in a difficult situation.
I loved being able to instantly recommend the HP dm1z last year when people were asking about a recommendation for a cheap and small travel laptop. Great battery life, superior keyboard, and it came with a comparatively zippy 320GB 7200rpm hard drive. There's no magic bullet system available like that for families with one (laptop) computer that only needs to occasionally move from room to room depending on whether they're studying, researching, or writing lengthy dissertations in comments sections of Anandtech.com Reply
Gunbuster - Friday, March 30, 2012 - link1366x768 screen; stopped reading.
I'm so sick of these low res screens. Reply
quitesufficient - Friday, March 30, 2012 - linkAs soon as I see 1366x768 Reply
snuuggles - Sunday, April 01, 2012 - link+1
That is quite literally what I just did. Reply
kvort - Friday, March 30, 2012 - linkI bought my r835 over a year ago, and it had been out for a few months at the time. I remember looking all over AT for a review to find out if was any good.
Why review after a year and a half on the market? Reply
jacobdrj - Friday, March 30, 2012 - linkIn my experience: People don't need dual core systems. They rarely need more that 2 GB of RAM. They CERTAINLY don't need huge display resolutions. They want to go online, check their mail, punch out the occasional Word document, and facebook themselves to death.
A netbook with a single core processor and a HDD: Worthless. A netbook with a SSD (even with a 10.1: screen) the most used computer in a household... It starts fast. It is portable. The battery goes on for 9 HOURS (with a 6 or 9 cell battery, depending on your processor).
I have to deal with a HDD boot drive at work, and it is HORRIBLE. I told them when I was hired in: Give me a the cheapest system you can buy, and put a SSD in it... My request has been postponed, but everyone in the Office can't wait for the SSD budget to be approved... That day is coming. Just waiting a few more months through the pain... Reply
bennyg - Friday, March 30, 2012 - linkNetbook with dual core (N570) atom, and with a SSD is still slow. Quick to get to windoze desktop but slow to finish booting due to the slow CPU. A Corsair Force (285/180mb/s) was no better than the slow old 90mb/s Samsung RBX harvested from a busted Dell. But no argument, both are much preferable to the bog slow 5400rpm that was in it. Everything I use has a SSD in it, even the HTPC.
It's Android x86 ICS that makes it fly, it shines when paired with an OS designed for low power CPUs. Reply
bji - Friday, March 30, 2012 - linkI finally got SSDs in my work system. Now my home laptop, desktop, and fileserver, and work workstation, all are SSD only. Life is good.
What an amazing difference it has made already (at work). I got two 240 GB Intel 520 SSDs. I wouldn't touch Sandforce before Intel endorsed it. So far - incredible. Perceptibly faster than the X25-M and Intel 320 I have in my home systems. Eliminated every single performance problem that I had been having during my software development work. My company sprung for the $750 upgrade. I would recommend it to anyone. My company is easily going to get more than $750 worth of extra productivity out of me in compensation for the upgrade cost. Reply
bootsattheboar - Friday, March 30, 2012 - linkAlthough it looks like it has a docking port, it doesn't really: the motherboard connector is missing. You have to dock it to a dynadock u3 that connects to the usb 3 port, which doesn't provide power. We bought 2 of these for people in my department. One works fine. The other has a problem with the usb3 port crashing after a few minutes of use. You have to restart the pc for it to work again. We tried both dynadocks with it, and 2 different usb2 mice, and it's definitely the port. It has been to the Toshiba repair depot once, and is awaiting a new box for a second trip since they did nothing but a burn-in test. Several people on their laptop forums have complained about the same issue with the renesas usb3 chipset. An unsupported (by Toshiba anyway) firmware update and driver update only prolonged the time before the port crashes.
Other than that, it's a great laptop for the price. Reply
Hulk - Friday, March 30, 2012 - linkI hear the super PLS screens are very good. Reply
apudapus - Friday, March 30, 2012 - linkI completely agree about getting better displays. That is why the last 2 laptops I've bought are the Sony Vaio Z1 and Sony Vaio Z2 (that and because they're great little machines). Display resolution is the first spec I look at when I see a new laptop. Thank you for continuing to wave the "we need better displays" banner. Reply
Daller - Friday, March 30, 2012 - linkIn Europe it is called the Satellite R835. Mine has an i3 processor, but I do not care, since I do all the heavy lifting on my workstation.
I think the cooling system is very good, I've even tried blocking the exhaust while running Prime95... The system stays stable. Intel actually helped Toshiba design this cooling system, so I think they know what they are doing. Running a CPU hot is not a problem as long as it is within spec and you do not have many rapid heating/cooling cycles.
I use it with a OCZ Vertex 2 120GB and it is very responsive.. if only I could replace that crappy screen! >:O Reply
Bob-o - Friday, March 30, 2012 - link> When Toshiba released the Portege R700 in 2010, it came out of nowhere.
Uh, no it didn't. It evolved from the R600, which evolved from the R500,. . . , which evolved from the R200. . .
Toshiba has made thin/ultralight/whatever notebooks for some time. I still have an R500 and R200 sitting around. And yep, the screens have always sucked. :-) But very light and decently capable in their time. Reply
bennyg - Friday, March 30, 2012 - linkGood that someone is trying to remedy the deficiencies of the 'ultrabook' spec (... where are you AMD..??)
Removeable battery = biggest yay. Don't care for runtime stats if I can double whatever they are by a hibernate & swap. Works great for my phone. My cheap ten year old 24V drill came with a spare battery. Why does no one advertise this for laptops!!?
768p screen = boo.
100C CPU temps? ouch!
I had a notebook that pushed over 80C CPU and 95C GPU, but that was running a 45W i7 quad and ~65W GPU off the one tiny fan. Not a 32nm dual core with int gfx! Not good enough Toshiba! Reply
TrackSmart - Friday, April 13, 2012 - linkI have a Toshiba R705. Basically the same laptop, right down to the cooling system design. When running heavy-duty processes (30min of straight number crunching) my CPU core temperatures usually stay in the mid-70s. That's more than 25C below the recommended thermal limit for my processor (105C).
I can't imagine any normal usage case, even heavy duty usage, where I would ever get near 105C. I'm guessing the cooling design is okay for all 'normal' usage scenarios, even heavy-duty usage.
That being said, I think that putting all of the intake vents on the bottom of the system is a really dumb idea. If you stream movies with the bottom of the laptop on a bed or sofa - look out! It's going to get toasty in there... Reply
jigglywiggly - Friday, March 30, 2012 - linkplease keep talking about lcd quality, I bought my sager np8130 (p151hm1) when you guys spoke about the LCD, it was fairly good and it was great performance for the price and dual link dvi for my 120hz display Reply
hexanerax - Saturday, March 31, 2012 - linkHow difficult is it to write a PPI agnostic app? ( to those not in the know,all elements of the UI should appear exactly the same physical size on all monitor resolutions meaning a high ppi display UI looks awesome and this low res junk that manufacturers are hawking will end).
Hi res support has to be coded into the os and done right. I have enough problems with un-clickable buttons and unreadable text due to poor dpi scaling in some poorly written apps. Getting correct PPI information from the panel and scaling display elements to actual physical dimensions would be great, allowing users to really see the difference and cough up the extra dough if inclined.
Writing this on a great 1900 x 1200 17" LCD on my Dell Precision M6300 ( never upgraded due to the 16:9 fetish in most product lines. Reply
hexanerax - Saturday, March 31, 2012 - link$ for $ , an SSD will translate to better user experience than a higher clocked processor for most normal usage scenarios. For those looking for a fast, low priced system, adding a 40 GB SSD and going for a lower clocked cpu or lesser cores will be a better option than a 500 GB 5400 RPM HDD with a high frequency processor. Enthusiast or not an SSD is no longer an option. I can understand using a Mechanical drive for critical data considering the issues that SSDs have had in the past but if you are buying a budget laptop, how critical is the data you are storing? Think cloud storage + SSD for the best experience. Buy an external HDD.
On a system with a Corsair Force F120. Reply
jabber - Saturday, March 31, 2012 - linkI don't need more than two USB ports (to be honest I can get by with one).
I don't need a Firewire port.
I don't really need a HDMI or D-Sub port either.
I can go without Bluetooth.
That should be nearly enough to get a decent screen instead.
Yeah so one or two USB ports, a gigabit ethernet port and the power port are all I need. Reply
Mumrik - Saturday, March 31, 2012 - linkI'm out... Reply
Pylon757 - Saturday, March 31, 2012 - linkJudging from the last picture on the 2nd page, the body appears to be magnesium alloy, not plastic. Mag alloy feels a lot like plastic (especially when painted) since its thermal conductivity is extremely poor and thus doesn't feel cold to the touch (unlike say, aluminum found on Apple's devices) Reply
hexanerax - Sunday, April 01, 2012 - linkJust for the record :-
It probably feels less cold because it is conducting heat from the system outwards.
The paint probably has more to do with this feeling than the thermal conductivity of the metal. Aluminum is generally left unpainted ( polished, brushed ) or anodize in color which leaves the thermal properties unchanged. Reply
Mygaffer - Sunday, April 01, 2012 - linkThe last time many consumers have seen a monitor with decent image quality was when they were using a CRT.
If more consumers could see a side by side of your average TN panel and some of the amazing IPS and PVA panels out there a lot more people would seek out the better monitors. Right now people just don't know any better.
I use two monitors at home, the Dell 3007wfp-HC and a Yamakasi Catleap Q270 (27" S-IPS, same panel as the Apple Cinema display). Both are S-IPS panels, both are very high resolution, and both are amazing. To go back to some lower resolution TN panel now would make me want to claw out my eyes.
Luckily my HP laptop has a very good TN panel in it that even has good viewing angles. One thing that will have to improve a little bit for the high resolution displays to be a good fit for everyone will be better font scaling. Windows 7 has fairly decent support for it and modern browsers also allow some control but it still needs to be improved. Reply
ThreeDee912 - Sunday, April 01, 2012 - linkFor better or worse, ultrabooks are coming down in price, and are still using crappy panels.
Except for Delta E, and compared to the high-end Sony, it seems like the MacBook Air line from last year still beats most of the panels in these new Ultrabooks:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5259/ultrabook-head-... Reply
wel51x - Friday, July 20, 2012 - linkI have recently upgraded from a Fujitsu Lifebook lh531 to this brand-spanking new Toshiba Portege machine.
I installed a Corsair GT240 ssd on the Fujitsu and saw my ATTO Disk Benchmark go from roughly 80K R/W (roughly!) to roughly 525K. What a screamer!!
Imagine my SHOCK then when I did the same to the Portege and saw it go from 80K to ONLY 225K.
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Testing AMD's HD 7970M Enduro Hotfixby Jarred Walton on 10/2/2012 2:38 PM EST
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hulawafu77 - Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - linkLink link to the hotfix. C'mon, leak it. We've only been waiting 3 months for this :D Reply
JarredWalton - Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - linkI wish I could. One more week and you should get it. Reply
CeriseCogburn - Wednesday, October 10, 2012 - linkA new force in mobile graphics has arrived! AMD epic failure ! Enjoy it forever. Reply
junky77 - Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - linkof the 680M and 7970M? Reply
JarredWalton - Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - linkI need to do some additional testing before I can provide that. What I can tell you is GTX 680M is clearly faster, but I haven't looked into utilization yet. Reply
junky77 - Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - linkthanks
Do you mean you think the 680M is clearly faster even if the AMD drivers were perfect or are you including the lower performance the 7970M might suffer from.
By the way, in some of notebookcheck testing, the Clevo based laptops were having some cpu throttling issues. There weren't any such thing in the P170EM, right?
I'm asking because the numbers are the average performance, which include the problems with the Enduro switching.
That might change the picture, for example, in the BF3 benchmarks, no? Reply
JarredWalton - Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - linkWith the Hotfix and Enduro the P170EM 7970M is still generally slower than the P170EM 680M Optimus. If we remove Optimus and Enduro, things might change but we haven't had a chance to test that yet (see final paragraph). As for throttling, correct: I saw no indication of problems even during my torture testing. If you put it on shag carpet in a 100F room, yes, you'll probably throttle, but sitting on a table in a 70-80F room with a 100% load on CPU and GPU I didn't see any throttling after two hours (and CPU/GPU temperatures had stabilized at around 87C for over an hour). Reply
junky77 - Wednesday, October 03, 2012 - linkthanks
By the way, I also think that one direct comparison should be against the GTX 675MX as it's similarly priced, at least in the Clevo case. Reply
Montage - Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - linkA comparison between an Enduro enabled and an Enduro disabled laptop (say Clevo vs AW) would be really, really cool. That would show the true difference between a fully working 7970M and the one running on Enduro (which is the most important thing, not how 7970M compares to the 680M) Reply
Montage - Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - linkBoth with 7970M and same specs of course Reply
junky77 - Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - linkthat would still won't eliminate other AMD's driver problem Reply
arcticjoe - Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - linkWith Alienware m17x r4 you can disable enduro, which fixes the problem. Reply
junky77 - Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - linkEnduro might not be the only problem
Keep in mind that the 7970M is a new core and all. Drivers might not be mature yet Reply
Death666Angel - Wednesday, October 03, 2012 - linkI'm pretty sure the Pitcairn core that is used in the 7970M is 7 months old. Sure, there will always be odd driver issues, but nothing of this scale so far in I would think. Reply
arcticjoe - Thursday, October 04, 2012 - linkenduro is definitely the problem, it has been confirmed by countless users. disable enduro = good performance, cant disable enduro = bad perfromance. Reply
Seanzky - Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - linkI agree. This is one way, though not entirely on a level playing field, for us to gauge by how much % Enduro cripples the card. I'm sure the hotfix will alleviate some of the underutilization problems, but how far is it from bypassing Enduro altogether? I'm curious. Reply
arcticjoe - Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - linkJarred, just curious whether over-clocking 7970m gives any increases in performance or if the card is still hitting the PCIe bandwidth bottleneck? Reply
HOODY - Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - linkOK, well all I keep seeing is talk about this 7970M, what about those of us with these half baked 76xx cards (7690M XT) (re branded 6770M) with an Intel gpu chip (3000)? Is this new enduro driver going to fix us? What I'm looking for is some assurance that we with these AMD/Intel monsters will get the help we need from this "New" driver set. What we are looking for is to be able to download our updated drivers directly from AMD, not the laptop makers.
What I need is to be informed on is how AMD's new driver will interact with those of us that have these laptops with both AMD and Intel GPU's.
I'm still waiting for AMD to answer my last Email to their support section on this also. Reply
JarredWalton - Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - linkThe Hotfix likely won't help you, but the 12.9 Beta should install at least. If it's like my VAIO C, though, the global switchable setting page won't work right now. The next public driver will hopefully fix this and provide full support for all 6000M and 7---M (and maybe 5000M?) Enduro/Dynamic Switchable laptops. Reply
HOODY - Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - linkThanks for at least replying to my question, geared more for AMD.
I'm sitting here holding time, and hope your right about the "next" driver.
I'm also hoping that the "next" driver doesin farctt support the 6000M cards as this 7690M XT is a re branded 6770M, and when drivers are installed is identified as such in device manager, I assume because AMD as yet to "support" their Radeon 76 series cards. But hope they code the driver to see MY card as its labeled.
All I'm looking for from AMD is some assurance of that, even if it is "the next" driver, or the next. And some reasonable information on how it would work with my Intel 3000 my secondary gpu for battery use. Reply
king-dubs - Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - linkHey Jarred,
Thank you once again for reaching out to AMD for us the customers.
You say 7700/7800M users aren't affected "as much", which I disagree with. I have an HP Envy 17 with 7850M, which is definitely being affected quite a bit. Check out Battlefield: Bad Company 2 for example: http://i.imgur.com/o2rqJ.png
MAX 67% GPU utilization, and I was getting ~ 34-36 fps. Very bad for multiplayer indeed. I was running 1920x1080 @ High texture, Low shadows, 0xAA, 16xAF. Reducing settings further only results in lower utilization, and visuals, not higher frame rates.
This all on the public 12.9 beta of course.
From the looks of things though, I can't wait to get my hands on that hotfix you have there ;P. Reply
TrantaLocked - Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - linkJarred would you be able to test Sleeping Dogs, Saints Row 3 and/or GTA IV? Saints Row 3 seems heavily impacted by the utilization issue, and Sleeping Dogs also doesn't scale too well. I am interested in GTA IV because that is the game I play the most. Reply
JarredWalton - Wednesday, October 03, 2012 - linkI'll be adding Sleeping Dogs, Max Payne 3, Guild Wars 2, Borderlands 2, Sniper Elite V2, and a few other games to the list of benchmarks for comparing GTX 680M with HD 7970M -- mostly as a one-time affair I think, unless someone can make a really good case for ditching some of the current games we're testing and adding new titles? Reply
arcticjoe - Wednesday, October 03, 2012 - linkmax payne 3 runs really well with enduro already, you can probably skip that. crysis 2 with dx11 and hi res textures runs pretty bad however, as does ARMA 2. Reply
spettow - Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - linkthanks for testing and help 7970m customers...
can you please test the performance of max payne 3 running this fix?
This game (running on directx 11) is VERY affected by enduro Reply
bn880 - Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - linkHey, great and extensive work, thank you. I'm a little bit worried about the performance gains being low at the top end settings. But then again the actual level detail settings are abstracted away in the chart.
It would be of great use if DCS World titles could be compared as well, for example BlackShark 2, A10 or even the free Su25.
Likewise Arma2 which runs quite badly with the Enduro problem. Reply
TrantaLocked - Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - linkThat is expected, because the issue is related to display information not being transferred quickly enough. The higher the frame rate, the more information that needs to be pushed, and at low details, you have very high frame rates. Reply
bn880 - Wednesday, October 03, 2012 - linkThe problem we've seen in DCS and Arma is that at high settings the performance is also very slow compared to similarly matched NVIDIA counterparts, for example GTX 580 which should rank about where 7970M does. Reply
CeriseCogburn - Wednesday, October 10, 2012 - linkAMD has no driver issues, that's a thing of the past....
(rolls eyes for the thousandth time as sarcasm drips) Reply
sonny73n - Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - linkHow much is a good TV cost? And how much is a mini computer or a netbook cost? Add the two together and you'll have a smarter TV with a better price.
I have the Sony Google TV and I must say it was the worst purchase I'd ever made. It's overpriced and underpowered. It sucks, period. Reply
JarredWalton - Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - linkWrong article I take it? Reply
HOODY - Saturday, October 06, 2012 - linkAlways come back here for info now,good site for gpu info.
Now, any insight for those of us with these 76xxM gpu's? any kind of inside rumor of how/when/if the hot fix's or drivers will help us? Or when we will be able to downbload updates directly from the AMD driver page?.
thanks........................ Reply
JarredWalton - Sunday, October 07, 2012 - linkI actually don't know if the hotfix will do anything for other cards or not; it might, so when it goes up (if it has support for non-7970M GPUs), give it a try. Reply
darcotech - Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - linkI need one clarification here:
I can buy a laptop with this GPU for the price similar to Nvidia 660M based laptop.So my question is can we deactivate Enduro altogether on Clevo based laptop as I will use it as a desktop replacement and not care about abttery life or energy saving (as it saves anyway more than desktop).
So,can somebody answer me this, please?
Thanks in advance. Reply
TrantaLocked - Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - linkEnduro cannot be disabled. Reply
KyleH334 - Wednesday, October 10, 2012 - linkCome on where is this hotfix AMD, it's Wednesday now and I'm getting super impatient!! Reply
CeriseCogburn - Wednesday, October 10, 2012 - linkAMD drivers blow chunks.
Have they ever released a card that doesn't have serious ongoing issues for years ?
(and I don't mean pre hd2900)
They just suck, badly.
I'm going to hear about all the unlocked future potential again, and how great their hardware is.... for years a fan will spew that ... "on down the line this may be the future proof I've always wanted!! gush gush "...
How sad it is. A friend says it's sucky coders and engineers at amd. Who cares what it is.
I want to know what card they have ever released that wasn't a walking plague. Reply
locking86 - Wednesday, October 10, 2012 - linkHey Cerise,
I really agree with you but in another hand you have a NVida Cards that always too much money for the hardware and even to play 3D games you HAVE to pay a extra buck per month.
Isn't there any conpetidor that play a fair price(Not the crazy chip AMD) and a good Suport(That not make you sell car to buy).
they realy are spliting the marketing into 2 kind of users. one that do not want to pay the real price for hardware and the second that are able to pay any price for a hardware.
You just need to decide what you want :
Pay cheap for a hardware that do not work how it suppose or Use all your money to have a good hardware and have no time to play at all.
loop1982 - Monday, October 15, 2012 - linkWell, where is that hotfix now?
The term hotfix is used for a quick release that repairs a certain critical problem.
I might sound like an xxx but I bought this card over 3 month ago and nothing was fixed.
Neither quick nor hot.
I just cannot understand that sort of customer treatment.
There must be some serious problems in that company going on that we don't know about.
Learned my lessons. Yes to AnAndTech, NO to AMD.
Since I'm the one everyone of my friends and friends of friends ask about what hardware they should buy I can at least help others to stay out of that problems. Reply


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Florida's lone soft verbal of its 2013 class is no longer in the commitment column.
But he didn't leave on his own accord.
New defensive coordinator D.J. Durkin called James Hearns on Thursday and told the Tallahassee Lincoln linebacker UF couldn't take him.
"Coach Durkin let me know I wouldn't be able to get into Florida because of my grades," Hearns said. "He said I needed to explore my other options, which I've already started doing. I knew this was coming."
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"Florida has been aware of my academic situation for awhile, but coach Durkin said they couldn't wait anymore. Maybe them getting some more linebackers (committed) and me visiting other schools had something to do with that, but I'm not sure," said Hearns, who is now considering Kentucky, Auburn, South Carolina, Houston and Washington with the Wildcats currently in the lead.
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