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March 17, 2006
Episode #405
MAHER: And she was - she was the first Cuban American elected to Congress. Please welcome Florida 's Ileana Ros-Lehtinen. How are you? [applause]
REP. ILEANA ROS-LEHTINEN: Thank you. Good to see you. Thank you.
MAHER: Thanks for coming back to see us. You're very brave to come in here in the lion's den. I should say that right away. Most of the audience is liberal. I know Richard Belzer is liberal.
BELZER: I'm not a liberal. I'm a social democrat from Europe . [laughter]
MAHER: Well, liberal, conservative, you know, I think everybody wants to get out of Iraq . We were talking about this with Michael Stipe. Okay, Bush made a speech this week saying, you know, we're not going to lose our nerve. Which is apropos, because he's got a lot of nerve. [laughter]
BELZER: Right. [singing like Bob Dylan] "You've got a lot of nerve."
MAHER: Yeah. But he actually - we actually sent more troops in this week. And I just want to ask, when is the right time to ask the John Kerry question that he asked at the end of Vietnam , which was, "How do you ask a man to be the last man "
BELZER: [overlapping] "The last man."
MAHER: --"to die for a mistake?" When does that question get operative for this war?
MICHELE MITCHELL: Well, I'll jump in right away.
MAHER: Yes, please do.
MITCHELL: Which is - I don't - I don't think that there is a quick resolution here. And my question is, when are we actually going to hear the truth of what is occurring? Fighting a war is really, really hard. I was in a war zone. It was not fun. I don't even like camping.
MAHER: Really?
MITCHELL: And I was camping with guns. [laughter] So that's not a fun experience. And one of the things that I realized was that, look, you know what? War is ugly. It's going to take a lot more people over there, unfortunately. And what you are going to see happen is you're going to see a nominal number of soldiers will return. You'll hear 5,000 guys are coming back, 10,000 guys are coming back. But every military source says, "Look, we're in there for ten years." And you're not going to see 50,000-100,000 guys coming back. And I really wish that I could just hear that coming forward from the leaders.
MAHER: Well, yes?
ROS-LEHTINEN: Well, first of all, you say everybody is against the war. And, no, I think that
MAHER: No, I said everybody wants the troops home.
ROS-LEHTINEN: We would all like to be in a perfect world where there would not be a Saddam Hussein, where there would not be
BELZER: [overlapping] There is no Saddam. He's not there anymore. [laughter]
ROS-LEHTINEN: [overlapping]the Taliban. [applause] So we would like that - we would like that kind of world. But while there is Saddam Husseins, I mean, you can ignore that those despots exist, but they do. And
BELZER: Well, we are ignoring them. We picked the wrong one. What do you mean, we can ignore? [laughter]
ROS-LEHTINEN: Okay, I mean, look
BELZER: We have ignored all the worst people in the world. We went after one worst person who was no threat to us. So our priorities are really wrong and off. [applause]
ROS-LEHTINEN: I've been in Iraq . I've been in Afghanistan . I've had the opportunity - and I know anyone
MAHER: [to audience] Easy.
ROS-LEHTINEN: --anyone who disses the war, and all that, is going to get the great applause. There's no doubt about it.
BELZER: For a reason! Everyone in the country
ROS-LEHTINEN: [overlapping] Okay.
BELZER: [overlapping]most people in the country are against the war.
ROS-LEHTINEN: [overlapping] I'll just shut up and I'll let you talk.
BELZER: [overlapping] No, but you're being so glib and dismissive of me, I have to defend this point of view.
ROS-LEHTINEN: I think I was just speaking
BELZER: I know, but
ROS-LEHTINEN: [overlapping]and I was just trying to make my point, if I could.
MAHER: All right, make your point. And then
ROS-LEHTINEN: Thank you. Having been in Iraq a few times, and Afghanistan, having met the troops, one-on-one, with free rein and asking them what they're doing, they are saying, "We are proud of our mission. We know what we're doing over here. We don't want you guys in Washington to lose it over there." And there is a great sense of determination that what they are doing is making a difference.
And, yes, it has been an important mission, but we're doing
MAHER: Come on.
ROS-LEHTINEN: Come on? [voices overlap]
BELZER: Yeah, come on. You know, our soldiers are - our soldiers now are at
ROS-LEHTINEN: [overlapping] Our volunteer force. A volunteer force.
BELZER: Okay, fine. No one questions the nobility and the honor that - these men and women serving - and what they're doing. No one questions that. But now
MAHER: [overlapping] Nor is there
BELZER: [overlapping]they're targets. They're not going out - now they're just protecting each other. And they're in the middle of a civil war. So it's really not fair
ROS-LEHTINEN: [overlapping] No, I'll
BELZER: [overlapping]to have these people who volunteered their lives to protect our nation under false pretenses to now be
ROS-LEHTINEN: [overlapping] Ask them! Ask them if it's fair!
BELZER: [overlapping]targets. [voices overlap] [applause] [cheers]
MAHER: But, wait a second.
ROS-LEHTINEN: Wait a minute. My step-son.
MITCHELL: One of the
ROS-LEHTINEN: Wait a minute, wait a minute. My step-son
BELZER: Ask them? That's bullshit! Ask them?! They're not
ROS-LEHTINEN: Look.
BELZER: They don't read 20 newspapers a day. They're under the threat of death every minute.
ROS-LEHTINEN: No.
BELZER: They're not the best people to ask about the war.
MAHER: Right.
ROS-LEHTINEN: Wait, wait.
BELZER: Because they're going to die any second!
ROS-LEHTINEN: You are talking about my step-son. My step-son who just finished last week
BELZER: [overlapping] God bless your step-son!
ROS-LEHTINEN: [overlapping]eight months of duty in
BELZER: [overlapping] It doesn't mean he's a brilliant scholar about the war.
MAHER: Right.
MITCHELL: Okay, but, without
BELZER: Because he's there. [applause]
ROS-LEHTINEN: Oh!
MITCHELL: Okay.
ROS-LEHTINEN: And you are.
BELZER: And God bless him.
ROS-LEHTINEN: You are, though? Okay. I mean, I don't know.
BELZER: Well, I have more time to - I'm not there!
ROS-LEHTINEN: [overlapping] You're an intellect. Thank you, thank you!
BELZER: [overlapping] And my life is not under threat!
ROS-LEHTINEN: Hey, I'm glad.
MAHER: Wait. I think the point he's trying to make is that a 19-year-old who is in that Army because he probably couldn't find other employment
ROS-LEHTINEN: He's a college graduate. He's a Marine officer
MAHER: Okay.
ROS-LEHTINEN: He volunteered for the - for the Marines.
MAHER: [overlapping] But
BELZER: [overlapping] He's the exception to the rule.
ROS-LEHTINEN: He's not the exception for the rule! I've been there
BELZER: [overlapping] You think everybody over there is a college graduate?
ROS-LEHTINEN: [overlapping] I've talked to those guys.
BELZER: [overlapping] They're 19- and 20-year-old kids who couldn't get a job
ROS-LEHTINEN: [overlapping] Yeah, you know because you've been there and you've talked to them.
BELZER: [overlapping] What? I don't fucking read?! Don't - don't do that!
MAHER: [overlapping] Oh, oh, oh. Come on. Wait, wait, wait.
BELZER: [overlapping] No, really. I
MAHER: Wait, wait.
BELZER: [overlapping] It's like I don't know?
ROS-LEHTINEN: Okay. Whatever.
MAHER: That
BELZER: Pardon my French.
MAHER: Yeah.
ROS-LEHTINEN: Yeah.
MAHER: That was over the line.
BELZER: No, but it's this
MAHER: [overlapping] And now you're going to lose
BELZER: It's this patronizing thing that people have about if you're against the war, everyone is lumped together. And, you know, the soldiers are not scholars. They're not war
MAHER: But you're going to lose[voices overlap]
MITCHELL: Some of them are actually
MAHER: [overlapping] You're going to lose even me.
BELZER: [overlapping] I know. I'm
MAHER: [overlapping] Like Michael Moore did when he came down on Charlton Heston in
MITCHELL: [overlapping] A lot of them are very smart.
MAHER: [overlapping]"Columbine."
MITCHELL: But the fact is
BELZER: Sorry. I apologize.
MITCHELL: [overlapping]we are there now. And if we are there, what happens if we pull out? And this is what the discussion needs to move to. Because if we pull out, then we do have a destabilized - the destabilization of Iraq . And Afghanistan is already destabilizing. There's no way that can be painted well. If you - if we leave Iraq , unfortunately, we're there. So what's the solution now?
MAHER: Yeah.
MITCHELL: If you leave, the Kurds could pull off on their own. And then Turkey starts a war.
MAHER: [overlapping] When did we ever leave? Any place we go into to save a country. We still have 40,000 troops in Japan . We still have 75,000 in Germany , 40,000 in South Korea .
ROS-LEHTINEN: And was it not worth it in Germany and in South Korea , and in every one of those places?
MAHER: But why are we
ROS-LEHTINEN: Do you not think that it's been worth it to have three incredible elections in Iraq ?
MITCHELL: But how do you
ROS-LEHTINEN: [overlapping] And we can dismiss it
MITCHELL: How do you fight the war on terror? And this is the question
BELZER: [overlapping] There's no government there.
MITCHELL: [overlapping] This is the question that is not being evaded, is how do you effectively do this? If you talk to Special Forces guys, who are extremely well-educated; they're in their thirties, their forties; they make not as much money as they could make if they were working for private contractors, but they do all right. These guys say, look, let's go in, in small units, and let's start turning - let's train the army and slowly pull out. I mean, they feel that they have something to say and that they haven't been listened to. So maybe the problem lies with the communication.
MAHER: Let me turn this a little. And I will try to control my panel a little more!
BELZER: [overlapping] Let me just - may I - let my just say one thing.
MAHER: I apologize.
BELZER: Can I just say one thing? I apologize for my outburst. But I really feel very strongly and emotionally about this. And if I, you know, go over the top once in a while, it's only because I deeply care about what's going on over there.
MAHER: Yes.
BELZER: I'm not being glib and I'm not being dismissive. [applause]
MAHER: And so - and so does - so does this one. [cheers]
ROS-LEHTINEN: Thank you. So, in his apology, he's calling me "glib and dismissive," even though I had my
BELZER: [overlapping] No, I said I'm not being glib and dismissive.
ROS-LEHTINEN: I - whatever.
MAHER: Okay, anyway.
ROS-LEHTINEN: You just let me know when I can answer. And then I'll be glad to. [laughter]
MAHER: I will. Let me ask you about Iran . Because that - I heard a lot of saber-rattling in the last week from Condoleezza Rice, from Dick Cheney, from the president himself. I think a lot of people are nervous about that. I know you have a bill that you're proposing, with sanctions.
ROS-LEHTINEN: Well, we've got 354 co-sponsors. There are 435 members of Congress, so it's overwhelmingly supported, from the most liberal to the most conservative. The White House is not in favor of our bill. They're thinking that diplomacy might take its correct course. Meanwhile, Iran is building up a nuclear arsenal. And we want to make sure that U.S. companies are not using foreign subsidiaries to get around the sanctions that we have. So we're going to close those loopholes so big companies like Halliburton and all of those others know that they're going to be part of the great future that we have for our children, which does not include a nuclear-powered Iran . And we're hoping to pass this bill. [applause]
BELZER: But isn't it - they're like ten years away from - they're ten years away from getting that kind of nuclear power. And then it has to be weapon-ized, so it's more years after that. And today, on the front page of the New York Times , there's an article about how the U.S. is talking to Iran about Iraq . I'm sure you saw that. So we have this kind of schizophrenic policy. On the one hand, Dick Cheney is playing to his base by saber-rattling, as the president of Iran is playing to his base. So the world is being held hostage by two political operatives who are playing to their base, which does not reflect the broader population. [applause]
MITCHELL: Well, also, Iran is surrounded on both sides - Iran is - on both sides of Iran right now are U.S. troops. So what do you
MAHER: Right. Afghanistan on one side, Iraq on the other.
MITCHELL: Yeah. Right. So what do you expect Iran to do? I mean, frankly, if you're Iranians, you're getting worried about what's happening on those borders. And you're going to start developing.
ROS-LEHTINEN: [overlapping] Oh, so poor Iranians? And I think that we should just excuse
MAHER: [overlapping] No, no, no.
BELZER: [overlapping] No, she's not saying "poor Iranians."
MITCHELL: [overlapping] No, I think that - no, there's nothing poor about it. This is
MAHER: [overlapping] No, believe me
MITCHELL: [overlapping]serious foreign policy that has to be taken into consideration.
ROS-LEHTINEN: [overlapping] This is.
MITCHELL: [overlapping] And that is one of the things.
MAHER: [overlapping] They threatened to wipe the Jews off the map.
ROS-LEHTINEN: [overlapping] Absolutely. This is the leader
MAHER: [overlapping] I think you might reach Richard Belzer by reminding him of that. [laughter]
ROS-LEHTINEN: The leader - the leader of Iran has said, " Israel has no right to exist; it should be wiped off the map."
MAHER: There you go.
ROS-LEHTINEN: "The Holocaust is a myth."
MAHER: Right.
ROS-LEHTINEN: I mean, and this is just part of his rhetoric. What's more menacing is what he's trying to do in the country. And he was elected, but all of the reformers were not allowed to participate.
MAHER: But - but sanctions - you know, and I know this is a point that hits home to you, because you're someone who supports sanctions against Cuba, which I know your opponents would say haven't worked for 45 years.
BELZER: Obviously. [applause]
MAHER: Why should they--?
ROS-LEHTINEN: Well, but let's look at sanctions on Cuba - on another way.
BELZER: It just hurts - okay.
ROS-LEHTINEN: We're the only country that has sanctions on Cuba , and Fidel Castro is still in power. But every other country has been doing business with Castro, and Castro is still in power. He has no elections. There's no free political parties. There's no dissension. You couldn't do the "Bill Maher" show in Cuba .
MAHER: Or China .
ROS-LEHTINEN: You would be in jail.
BELZER: [overlapping] Who do the - who do the sanctions hurt? They hurt the average person.
ROS-LEHTINEN: There is no - there is no
BELZER: [overlapping] Castro has his cigars and his
ROS-LEHTINEN: [overlapping]there is no embargo on humanitarian aid or food or medicine. And in the case of Iran , the same thing. This would be investments in the energy infrastructure of Iran for the nuclear build-up. It doesn't impact any part of any other life of an Iranian.
MAHER: All right. Let me ask you about the two - I saw two trials on television this week. One was Saddam Hussein and the other one was Moussawi. These are the two guys that we put up there as " Nuremberg 2"
BELZER: Yeah, right.
MAHER: "This Time It's Personal." [laughter] And, I mean, these two guys - it looked more like the "Jerry Springer Show," both of them.
MITCHELL: Yeah.
BELZER: To me, if those were two reality shows, they would have been canceled in the first week.
MAHER: Right. And I was just thinking, here are our two stooges that we got after 9/11, and neither one of them had anything to do with 9/11.
BELZER: Right, exactly. [applause]
MAHER: Saddam Hussein certainly didn't. Even Bush admitted that. And this Moussawi guy, you know
BELZER: He's crazy.
MAHER: --he's an open-mic-er.
BELZER: He's a buffoon. Right. [laughter]
MAHER: He is not a - he just
BELZER: "Open mic-er." [laughs] [laughter]
MAHER: He's not a real terrorist. They talk
BELZER: No. He's enjoying this.
ROS-LEHTINEN: Okay, but should Saddam Hussein not be on trial for the hundreds of people that he killed in Iraq ? Are we just going to say
BELZER: No, no. No one is saying that.
ROS-LEHTINEN: [overlapping]unless you had something to do with 9/11, then you're not going to be held accountable for mass graves that they are uncovering.
MAHER: Well, but if we[voices overlap]Congresslady - can I call you "Congresslady"?
ROS-LEHTINEN: Sure. [laughter]
MAHER: If we went all around the world
ROS-LEHTINEN: I'm no lady, I'm in Congress.
MAHER: [laughs] There's a sound bite. [laughter]
BELZER: You're a lady.
MAHER: If we went all around the world, and picked a fight with everybody - every dictator who had a mass grave
BELZER: We'd be busy. [laughter]
MAHER: We'd be - we'd be busy, wouldn't we?
BELZER: Yeah, we'd be busy.
ROS-LEHTINEN: It'd be good
BELZER: [overlapping] And Hussein spoke today for the first time at his trial where he was the actual - instead of an outburst, he spoke for 45 minutes, and he did what the Americans and the British are terrified of, he's calling people to stop fighting each other and fight the Americans. And this is what we dreaded. We didn't think this - we didn't want this to happen when we put him on trial, for him - a call to arms to his people. So it's become a forum for him.
ROS-LEHTINEN: He can continue to do that. It would be fine.
BELZER: Fine?! Okay.
ROS-LEHTINEN: It would be fine. Because the people are saying, "No."
BELZER: Then how come it's not funny
ROS-LEHTINEN: He can say whatever he wants. That is freedom.
BELZER: [overlapping] You don't think he still has followers?
ROS-LEHTINEN: [overlapping] That is the court. Of course he has followers. And the people of Iraq , the majority of the people in Iraq say, "Death to Saddam Hussein." What they're saying is, "Why are we bothering with a trial?"
MAHER: Not - no.
BELZER: They say, "Death to Hussein and America out," that's what they're saying.
MAHER: Not - not the Sunnis, right?
MITCHELL: Well, no.
BELZER: [a la Groucho] "Sunni or later, they'll come around, but, you know, ladies and gentlemen " [laughter]
MAHER: I mean, I see we had a big operation - "Swarmer" - this week. There just seems to be these big operations where we take back a town that the insurgents have. But then, of course, we don't have enough troops to hold that town.
BELZER: Right.
MAHER: So the insurgents scatter and then they - it looks like a big "Whack-a-Mole" game. [laughter] And, I mean, people die. Our troops
ROS-LEHTINEN: It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable.
BELZER: What's unbelievable?
MAHER: No?
ROS-LEHTINEN: No. What would you guys be doing in World War II. [voices overlap] What would you be doing?
BELZER: This is not - this is not World War II, as well you know.
ROS-LEHTINEN: Any operation, you would be
BELZER: [overlapping] That's a bogus analogy. [applause]
ROS-LEHTINEN: You know, if this were World War II right now, you guys would be saying
MAHER: But it's not.
BELZER: It's not! It's not.
MAHER: It's not World War II.
BELZER: That's bullshit.
ROS-LEHTINEN: You would be against any war, anytime.
MAHER: No, no. That is so not true. I have always - I am pro-war. I think violence solves
ROS-LEHTINEN: You just want to be for another war at another time at another place
BELZER: Yeah, when the
ROS-LEHTINEN: [overlapping]but not this war at this time at this place.
BELZER: Right, exactly. Exactly. [applause]
MAHER: But isn't that - but, wait a second.
ROS-LEHTINEN: I know, it's always the next one.
MAHER: [overlapping] Isn't that - isn't that
ROS-LEHTINEN: It's always the next dictator.
MAHER: It's not always the next one. But isn't that fair? Do I have to be for every war?
ROS-LEHTINEN: You don't have to. You don't have to. But you don't have to talk about these military operations as if they're some kind of joke.
BELZER: They are, they are!
ROS-LEHTINEN: And you don't have to talk about the Saddam Hussein trial like it's a joke.
BELZER: It is a joke!
ROS-LEHTINEN: I mean, it isn't!
BELZER: That's the - that's the tragedy of it!
MAHER: Okay, all right, we all - all right, we disagree on what's a joke.
BELZER: Right. [laughter]
ROS-LEHTINEN: I mean, I
MAHER: But, that's a fair
BELZER: And some people on this panel are experts.
ROS-LEHTINEN: [overlapping] The free elections is great. The parliament is standing up.
MAHER: Oh, come on. [voices overlap]
MITCHELL: You know what? The fact is
MAHER: The parliament met for 30 minutes and left! The president won't shake hands with women!
ROS-LEHTINEN: In the Articles of Confederation of the United States , our country was founded overnight? It was a shake-and-bake country?
MAHER: [overlapping] No, you're right.
ROS-LEHTINEN: [overlapping] It takes time!
MAHER: [overlapping] That's right.
MITCHELL: [overlapping] It does. It does take time.
BELZER: [overlapping] Where are - where are
ROS-LEHTINEN: [overlapping] We don't want
BELZER: [overlapping] Where are the Jeffersons ? Where are the Jeffersons ?
MAHER: Okay.
BELZER: Where are the Adams ?
ROS-LEHTINEN: They're not in Iraq .
MITCHELL: [overlapping] But, wait. The thing is, to point to parliament being in session is sort of a false marker of "Yay, team!" because Afghanistan has a parliament; Afghanistan has a president. Afghanistan is going to blow. And it's - that's a false sign of, like, "Yay, we're doing a good job." Because, you know what? They had six suicide bombs last Sunday. That doesn't sound to me like things are - things are going swell.
ROS-LEHTINEN: True. They had those. But let me tell you what else they have in Afghanistan .
BELZER: The best coke. [laughter] I'm sorry, I got
ROS-LEHTINEN: [overlapping] Thanks to - thanks to our guys
MITCHELL: [overlapping] The best heroin.
BELZER: [overlapping] Oh, heroin, heroin!
ROS-LEHTINEN: [overlapping]and our international troops, they have women going to school.
MITCHELL: You know what? Every woman I saw
ROS-LEHTINEN: We're going - we're going to diss that now? It doesn't matter? We have
MITCHELL: [overlapping]outside of Kabul was wearing a burka. And
MAHER: Wait. We're not dissing it. We're just disagreeing.
MITCHELL: Yeah. We're just - yeah
BELZER: This is a conversation.
ROS-LEHTINEN: Yeah, these are real - these are real progress that we're making.
MAHER: I know, but
BELZER: She was just there and saw women that are
ROS-LEHTINEN: I was just there, too.
BELZER: Okay.
MITCHELL: I'm just saying - I was also outside
ROS-LEHTINEN: We see different things.
BELZER: Well, where were you and where was she? [laughter]
ROS-LEHTINEN: My glasses - my glasses must be different than yours.
MITCHELL: All right, "Geographic Smackdown!" Here we go. [applause] No, the fact is that girls' schools are being burned. If you're going to cite girls' schools as a great landmark in the progress of Afghanistan .
BELZER: The Taliban just burned one down yesterday.
MITCHELL: It's not - the Taliban are burning them down. The Taliban are - they're going to have an enormous spring offensive. It is coming. You know, there are a lot of people who are getting popped. Women are wearing burkas.
MAHER: Were you outside of Kabul .
ROS-LEHTINEN: I was in Jalalabad. And let me tell you what was going on in Jalalabad.
MAHER: [laughs] "Everything is up to date in Jalalabad." [laughter]
BELZER: They've got cable!
ROS-LEHTINEN: We are building roads.
MAHER: They've got a Starbucks. [laughter]
ROS-LEHTINEN: The incremental progress. These are women in a USAID project.
MAHER: Okay.
ROS-LEHTINEN: Women leaders meeting with the tribal elders.
MAHER: All right.
ROS-LEHTINEN: Meeting with the town leaders. Making things happen.
MITCHELL: I have
ROS-LEHTINEN: Before, there was death, destruction and the Taliban.
MAHER: All right, I
ROS-LEHTINEN: It was worth it, and it's worth it now!
BELZER: The Taliban are back.
MAHER: Okay, I've got to go to Lou Dobbs because it's eleven-thirty on St. Patrick's Day. He's probably already had a few. [laughter] He is the managing editor of CNN's "Lou Dobbs Tonight." Please welcome Lou Dobbs! [applause] [cheers] Lou, how are you tonight?
MAHER: Anyway, you know, when I was a kid, I used to ask my parents, "Why are you Democrats? Why are we Democrats?" My father would kill me if he found out I wasn't a Democrat now, but so be it. But they said, "Because the Republicans are the party of business." And I just want to ask since there is so much corruption - stories that we hear every week about the Republican Party, is it something about being a Republican and being tied to big business that makes them more corrupt? Or is it just--? [Belzer holds up his hand] [laughter] Yes?
ROS-LEHTINEN: Well
BELZER: You go first, and then I'll go.
ROS-LEHTINEN: Okay, okay. Well, I tell you, I know that Tom DeLay is the poster boy for the Democrats and other folks to say this the culture of corruption.
MAHER: He's not alone.
MITCHELL: Wait a second
ROS-LEHTINEN: But, if you could see the list of all of the members who are under investigation or who have ethics cases - and this is a bipartisan problem, and I think it behooves us, as a nation and as a body, to clean up our own act. But it is not a Republican problem tied to big business. [Belzer earnestly holds up his hand]
BELZER: Bill, ah! [voices overlap]
MAHER: [overlapping]want to say something here.
MITCHELL: That's right.
BELZER: I go next.
MAHER: You go next.
MITCHELL: All right. Well, first of all, I don't think either party can be the angel here. But the Jack Abramoff story is very much a Republican story.
ROS-LEHTINEN: 42 out of 45 Democrats got money from Abramoff clients!
MITCHELL: I'm sorry. I think you have great hair and you're really cool, but I've got to tell you
BELZER: Before.
ROS-LEHTINEN: I like that. I'll take that.
MITCHELL: [overlapping]I did this story, and it was solidly Republican. And the fact that all Tom DeLay got was a little slap on the wrist was very sad. [applause]
ROS-LEHTINEN: At the dressing room, let me give you some clips about the Democrats.
MAHER: Okay.
MITCHELL: But - but - no, I'm going to
BELZER: Go ahead.
MITCHELL: --I'm going to jump in and I'm going to be with you on a Democrat thing, all right, because I think both parties have a very sad recent history of taking a lot of money from not just corporations but from a lot of folks with special interests. And it has not helped what democracy is supposed to be. [applause] So, frankly
BELZER: Right.
MITCHELL: --I think that neither party can run and say, "Hey, I'm the angel here." They both suck right now. [laughter] [applause] [cheers]
BELZER: All right. First of all, the Republicans, as you well know, have thrown every Democratic lobbyist off of K Street . They totally control every piece of legislation, every special interest group. The Republicans pride themselves on being the business party. They have utter contempt for the government, so they put hacks in to head departments and eviscerate the government's role. So it's definitely mostly Republicans that are so tempted because they're in positions of power now. You have the Senate, you have the Congress, you have the Supreme Court, you have the presidency, you have K Street . So it's just temptation. They're all on the - you know, virtually every one of them has some shady dealing. Period. [applause] [cheers]
ROS-LEHTINEN: All I ask - all I ask is that our two guests, when we go out - and I will give them the clips from all of these
BELZER: Oh, do you then deny what I just said?
ROS-LEHTINEN: --research saying that Democrats and Republicans equally, and Abramoff, Democrats and Republicans - I know that the media doesn't put that story out.
BELZER: They do put it out and it's not true! [voices overlap] The Democrats
ROS-LEHTINEN: I'll give you the clips! These are independent
BELZER: [overlapping]the Democrats that got donations from Abramoff got them before all these scandals started, and had nothing to do
ROS-LEHTINEN: [overlapping] That's when he was a good guy, okay, yeah.
BELZER: He was never a good guy.
MAHER: Okay, let me ask you this philosophical question. The approval rating for Congress is 32%. Slightly below the president, but slightly ahead of Dick Cheney. [laughter] Their re-election rate is 99%. How come a body that is approved by only 32% is returned to office[Belzer holds up his hand again] [laughter] [applause]at a rate of 99%? Yes, Mr. Belzer?
ROS-LEHTINEN: Maybe it's the good hair.
BELZER: Yeah, it's the good hair.
MITCHELL: Exactly.
BELZER: Two things. It's like when, you know, people say, "Schools are bad. But my kid's a genius."
MAHER: Right. [laughs]
BELZER: You know, it's like, "Congress is shitty, but my congressman is okay." People
MAHER: Yeah.
BELZER: --you know, take it personally. So they slam everyone else, but their own personal thing is okay. I think it's delusional. People - most people in America are deluded into thinking that their guy is okay. [applause] Their kid is the smartest. But everybody else is in trouble.
MITCHELL: It's also - it's also that a lot - and I'm offered job security, and there's a lot of good people in Congress, so there's a lot of people who work very, very, very hard, and a lot of Republicans actually step forward to scream and yell about the Abramoff case, I want to go ahead and say that - one of the dirty little secrets about the way politics is now is that a lot of members have been gerrymandered into very safe districts.
BELZER: Right.
MITCHELL: You're going to see maybe three or five seats actually change.
ROS-LEHTINEN: That's it. That's right.
MITCHELL: And that is because there's been - and this isn't how
MAHER: So - so what do we really have left of Democracy?
MITCHELL: Well
MAHER: If 99% -- those are the kind of numbers, we used to laugh at the Kremlin for getting.
BELZER: Right, right.
MAHER: Ninety-nine - Saddam Hussein got 99% of the [laughter] Well, what are we laughing at?
BELZER: Yeah.
MITCHELL: This is where I have to say that you turn to - you turn to Americans every election and you get the government you deserve. Ben Franklin said it. And if you - and if you feel that you're not being adequately represented, then start a grass roots movement. Don't be some lazy person sitting on the couch going, "Gee whiz, I wish I was better represented." [applause]
BELZER: Right. You know, that's right. What you said before
MAHER: You're right.
BELZER: Yeah, she's right. The problem is
MITCHELL: Sorry.
MAHER: I've been exposed as a fraud! [laughs]
BELZER: Get off your couch!
MAHER: On St. Patrick's Day, no less.
BELZER: But the problem is - is that, like you said before, Perot and Nader came in - whatever we think of them, in other countries, there's 14-15 political parties. There's a labor party, there's a right, left, a middle.
MAHER: Also
BELZER: America has two parties, the "Remocrats," that are, to one degree or another, are owned by corporate interests. And it's really not a Democracy anymore.
MAHER: Listen to this. Chile just swore in a woman president, joining such countries as[applause]it's largely an audience from Chile that we bring in here. [laughter] The Chileans. And their sea bass is fantastic. [laughter]
ROS-LEHTINEN: Either that, or[voices overlap]
MITCHELL: And the wines.
MAHER: But also there are women presidents in Ireland , Latvia , Liberia [applause]which just
ROS-LEHTINEN: She spoke to us just two days ago in Congress. Wonderful, wonderful leader.
MAHER: Okay. Pakistan , which is, you know, cuckoo, rioting over the cartoons and the crazy Muslims
BELZER: Right.
MAHER: --they had a woman president. India , Indonesia . America really isn't that progressive. And let me tell you something, this - Michele Bachelet is her name in Chile - she is a single mother, a socialist and an agnostic. [applause] [cheers] In this country, not only could she not be elected president, but her phone would be tapped. [laughter]
BELZER: [overlapping] She'd be arrested. Yeah, right.
MAHER: By the FBI. I mean
ROS-LEHTINEN: But, pro-business. And that's been[laughter]
BELZER: God - oh, there is a god. Ah, pro-business. [voices overlap] [Belzer crosses himself] Oh, pro-business.
ROS-LEHTINEN: [overlapping] What if the Chile - the people of Chile were looking for somebody who was not going to put their economy in the tank.
BELZER: [overlapping] Ah, the invisible hand of the marketplace.
ROS-LEHTINEN: [overlapping] And that's true. That was one of her selling points.
MAHER: But - okay, but listen to this. She speaks six languages. She studies military history and she strips at the Spearmint Rhino on Thursday. [laughter] No.
BELZER: Now, wait a minute!
MAHER: She
MITCHELL: She also
ROS-LEHTINEN: Richard was there. She was not.
MITCHELL: [overlapping]some of her ministers have no - some of her ministers have no party affiliation, which is also really different and rather refreshing, I thought.
MAHER: So I guess what I'm asking, because you face this on a personal level, why do Americans put our political people, the people who run for office, in such a straitjacket that they have to look alike, sound alike, dress alike? [applause] You know, sometimes they say we should have more women. And I say, what difference would it make. Because when we elect women, they act just like the men anyway? [laughter]
BELZER: Most of them.
ROS-LEHTINEN: I think we have - we have a tremendous diversity. And when you look at Congress, I know that we all look like cookie cutters to you. But we have great leaders like John Lewis, a leader in the civil rights movement; John Dingle, who has served in Congress for so many years
BELZER: [counting examples on his fingers] Two. [laughter]
ROS-LEHTINEN: We have - we have Henry Hyde, a wonderful statesman.
BELZER: A wonderful statesman?
ROS-LEHTINEN: He is. He is a great diplomat. He's a
MITCHELL: [overlapping] People who always win elections.
BELZER: [overlapping] All right. Two. Go ahead. Two.
ROS-LEHTINEN: [overlapping] And Speaker Hastert, who is - speaking of reform - putting together a great reform package so we can clean up our home, our House.
BELZER: Hastert?! He's Tom DeLay's towel boy! What are you talking about? [laughter] [applause] Come on. [cheers] This fuckin'
ROS-LEHTINEN: We've got great leaders.
BELZER: Jesus Christ!
MAHER: What - about great leaders
BELZER: Great leaders!?
MAHER: [overlapping]what do you think about the fact that all the Republicans now who are sniffing around to run for president, none of them are talking about Bush. They're all saying, "I'm a Ronald Reagan Republican." [laughter] How come they have to skip over all - both the Bushes to go back to "I'm a Ronald Reagan Republican"? [laughter]
ROS-LEHTINEN: Well, why do the Democrats skip over Jimmy Carter? I don't know. What are the Democrats
MAHER: Well, they admit he was a loser.
BELZER: That answered - that sure answers the question.
ROS-LEHTINEN: Too many generations.
MAHER: Well, okay. All right. Anyway, thank you so much
ROS-LEHTINEN: Thank you.
MAHER: [to Ros-Lehtinen]for being a yeoman of the guard. This was not an easy one for you.
ROS-LEHTINEN: Thank you. [Belzer kisses both panelists]
MAHER: Ah, look at that. On camera. [applause]
MITCHELL: Thank you so much.


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Important Websites: www.fema.gov, www.floodsmart.gov
Important DefinitionsNFIP – National Flood Insurance Program2. RCBAP – Residential Condominium Building Association Policy3. E & S Market – Excess and Surplus Lines Insurance Market4. FEMA – Federal Emergency Management Agency5. SFHA – Special Flood Hazard Area6. Flood – The NFIP defines flood as a general and temporary condition of partial or complete inundation of two or more acres of normally dry land area or of two or more properties from the overflow of inland or tidal waters or from the unusual and rapid accumulation or runoff of surface waters from any source. (Private carriers may define flood differently.)
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1. RCBAP – Residential Condominium Building Association Policy through NFIP (National Flood Insurance Program), purchased in the name of the association.2. Dwelling Form Flood Policy through NFIP, purchased by the individual unit owner.3. Removal of the exclusion for the peril of flood on the association's package policy. Carriers, however, usually only allow a small sublimit for this coverage. 4. Excess and Surplus Flood Coverage (excess over the NFIP policy) can be purchased at the association level, but only by the entity/owner who purchased the primary coverage.
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Is There a Way to Purchase Additional Building or Contents Coverage?The additional (excess) coverage may be purchased through the Excess and Surplus Lines market. However, when the association has the RCBAP in place, only they may purchase the excess for the building property. The homeowner may purchase excess limits for contents.
Can an Individual Homeowner Obtain a Dwelling Form Policy from NFIP if a Rcbap is in Place?Yes. However, the total amount of coverage available per unit from either the RCBAP or the Dwelling Form, or a combination of the two, is $250,000. Therefore, if an RCBAP is in place with the maximum $250,000 limit per unit, the individual homeowner should use the Dwelling Form to purchase contents and loss assessment coverage, but there is no advantage to purchasing additional structural coverage.
Which NFIP Policy is Primary if There is Both an Rcbap and a Dwelling Form Policy in Place?The RCBAP is primary and the Dwelling Form is excess, but only up to the $250K limit allowable on the property section.
Do the Governing Documents for the Association Come into Play as to the Level of Coverage Offered by the NFIP Policy?The NFIP does not recognize the governing documents and will settle all losses on an "All In" basis. This means that everything physically attached to the building is covered on the FEMA policy unless it is specifically mentioned as excluded or is absent in the list of covered items on their policy form.
If a Homeowner Purchases a Dwelling Form Policy and the Association Subsequently Purchases the Full Allowed Limit of $250K Per Unit on the Rcbap, Can the Homeowner Decrease Structural Limits on Their Policy?Yes, but there is some paperwork involved. The individual would need to supply a replacement cost estimate for the unit, the declaration page of the RCBAP, and documentation of the limits. Other items may be requested as well.
When Would Coverage Begin on a Dwelling Form or an Rcbap Policy?Thirty days after NFIP receives the signed application and payment of the full premium for the annual policy. NFIP will send a declarations page after processing. This will reflect the effective date. There is an exception to the waiting period if the coverage is a lender requirement for closing.
Can Loss Assessment Coverage be Purchased on the Rcbap?No. This is only available on an individual flood policy.
Is the NFIP Coverage Listed as "Extended Replacement Cost" or "Guaranteed Replacement Cost" Like We Have on Our Present Master Policy?No. Payment after a loss will not exceed the policy limit and it could have co-insurance penalties if the limits are not sufficient. (The RCBAP must be purchased at a limit of $250K per unit or 80% of the replacement cost value, whichever is less, to avoid a co-insurance penalty.)
Are Personal Vehicles Left in the Garage Covered on the Rcbap Policy?No. This coverage would need to be addressed with your personal insurance agent who handles the auto coverage.
Flood insurance is required by Federal legislation in Special Flood Hazard Areas (SFHAs) A, A1-A30, AE, AO, AH, AR, A99 and V zones.
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Photos and Video: Laura Robson and Wilson Spin Around London
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 at 7:23AM
Wimbledon is just around the corner, which means it is the perfect time to inspire British kids to throw on their summer sweats and give their rackets a twirl. Laura Robson and Wilson teamed up to encourage kids to take up tennis by touring London schools with Wilson rackets.
Robson, the 2008 Wimbledon Junior champ and last year's Olympic silver medalist in mixed doubles with Andy Murray, hit with students aged 7-18 in London schools. Robson introduced younger kids to the new Wilson 25/23 inch junior rackets and transition balls from the Wilson Starter Set, before showing off her skills to secondary school pupils with the new Wilson Steam 99S racket.
The Wilson Steam 99S racket has been designed specifically for recreational players and boasts improved spin using Spin Effect Technology.
Robson spoke of her love for Wilson rackets, saying "I've played Wilson since I was a junior and can say from experience that the Wilson develops great rackets for all tennis players, whatever their age or ability."
Robson posed for photos and recorded a short clip before heading back to her Wimbledon preparation. "Today was a special opportunity for me to show youngsters in the community close to Wimbledon how much fun they can have in the sport and also get the kind of exercise they need for a healthy future life," she said.
Photos and video courtesy of Wilson Tennis
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The ELCA health plan covers employees of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America which includes "rostered leaders, lay church workers, retirees, and family members..." (see here)
The money which members give to their local ELCA church, intended for God's use, will now be used to pay for the sex-change operations of ELCA employees and their family members who want to change their gender. (a desire that is medically impossible)
Instead of helping struggling people embrace the way God made them, the ELCA wants you to pay the bill so a man can try to look like a woman, and a woman try to look like a man. Mutilating and abusing their body on your/God's dime.
Don't forget that the ELCA health insurance also covers abortions for ELCA employees and family members, a fact that has upset thousands upon thousands of members. Forcing Bible-believing ELCA members to pay for sex change surgery, etc. should do the same.


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Apricot Pillow Cookies – traditional Danish recipe.
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Talk:Doctor of the Church
|WikiProject Christianity / Catholicism / Anglicanism
|(Rated Start-class, Mid-importance)
- 1 Asterisks in list
- 2 Nationality
- 3 "Traditional Catholics" and women Doctors
- 4 An Updating
- 5 Ordering
- 6 Math
- 7 Expansion of list
- 8 Reference to Isaac of Nineveh
- 9 Asterisks in Table Undefined
- 10 St. Ambrose isn't German. St. Ambrose German? Then Albert Einstein is Italian
- 11 Lutherans and Doctors
- 12 "Little Flower"
- 13 File:St-John-of-the-Cross.jpg Nominated for Deletion
- 14 Ethnicity?
- 15 Doctrix amoris
- 16 Style: titles and links
- 17 Eastern Orthodox section
- 18 Aperuit os eius
- 19 External links modified
Asterisks in list[edit]
There are asterisks beside some of the names in the list but no explanation of what they signify! Kace7 (talk) 20:41, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
This column needs major work and changes. St. Basil's nationality most certainly was NOT Turkish. He neither spoke nor understood the language. Furthermore, there were no Turks living in the area at the time, nor was there any Turkish, Ottoman, or Seljuk kingdom, principality, emirate, khanate, province, colony, city or any other kind of unit there at this time. St. Ambrose was NOT Italian. He might have considered himself, and been considered in turn, Roman or Latin, but not Italian.
The table either needs to change the name of the column to something like "Current nation in which place of birth is located" or the information in the column needs to reflect the understanding of nationality/ethnicity that existed at the times of these various saints.
There's also a lot of inconsistency. St. Jerome's nationality is listed as "Dalmatian", but there is no nation of Dalmatia today. Despite that, this makes good sense as "Dalmatian" more closely corresponds with the ethnic/national categories of his time than "Croatian" or "Serbian" or "Yugoslav". St. Isidore's nationality of Visigothic likewise fails to correspond with any of today's nationalities, but that's actually not a problem since it does correspond with the nationalities in use at his time.
My suggestion? In this column, first give the nationality that the person in question most likely would have used to describe himself or herself. Many of these will be more closely tied with place of birth (natio) than with current nation states, but that's actually good as it's more accurate. Second, give the name of which of today's nation states this birthplace now lies in. I think, for example, that the first datum for all of the "Italian" saints should NOT be Italy, but rather the name of the republic, empire, kingdom, duchy or whatever they were born in and identified as their nationality. Interlingua talk email 14:29, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
Add to the examples above that Bede can in no sense be described as British. British could mean Brythonic Celtic, i.e. Welsh: he was a Northumbrian Angle. British can also mean a UK citizen post-1707: he lived a thousand years too early for that. I wish I could share the confidence expressed above that nationality could make any sense at all when applied to people who lived before the emergence of nation states. At least we can all accept that St Theresa of Lisieux was French and that's about it.Sjwells53 20:49, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
- Support - the sense in which ethnicity is being used here is very problematic. The best designation for the listed individuals who lived in The Roman Empire is probably 'Roman'; this ought to include Gregory the Great as well. The case of Isidore of Seville is absurd. Isidore was an Hispano-Roman living in the Visigothic kingdom and so hispano-gothic is the closest ethnic label not spanish. The question that has not been addressed here is how do we ascribe a contemporary ethnonym to a Late Latin speaking bishop living in a kingdom ruled by a German speaking people or to any of the other individuals listed in this article. Geography is not identity and the fact that some time in the past some people lived in the geographical space that one group or another now lives in does not mean that the past people and the current people have some necessary connexion.Rykalski (talk) 11:42, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
- Support. Anselm was not Italian. Burgundian by birthplace, or Lombard by heritage would be more accurate. French, Swiss, Germanic, Norman or English also could be used to describe his background as (in)accurately as Italian.Enon (talk) 08:03, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
"Traditional Catholics" and women Doctors[edit]
A user added material claiming that "the traditional Catholics" reject the addition of the three women Doctors from 1970 on. That statement has been progressively toned down, to "most traditional Catholics", then "many", and finally "some". The effect, though, is to make the statement very weasel-wordish, and in the absence of a reputable source (and a clear definition of who does and who doesn't count as a "traditional(ist) Catholic"), the article is far better off without the statement however phrased, so I have taken the liberty of removing it. Vilĉjo 22:06, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
An Updating[edit]
On this feast of St. Ambrose, I have done some updating to this article.
- Eliminated the reference to the doctors as theologians. The women doctors were not theologians.
- Eliminated the reference to beatification. Canonization (formal or equivalent) is necessary.
- Corrected some of the nationality problems & added footnotes where I thought necessary.
- Added more appropriate activities.
- Added a quote pertaining to women doctors.
The references to the honorary titles should be eliminated as they can be confusing. Some titles are shared by more than one doctor, e.g., the titles "Doctor Universalis" and "Doctor Venerabilis" are given to both Thomas Aquinas and Albert the Great. Furthermore, which title is to be given? Thomas Aquinas has had upwards of ten titles bestowed on him. If they did, indeed, serve to distinguish, then they would merit inclusion. 184.108.40.206 17:29, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
I think the list should be sorted according to birth (or flourishing) dates. As the list is as today, there isn't any criterion for its ordering. Nivaca 20:35, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
- Sounds like a good criterion to me. Goldfritha 23:48, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
- Unless it's been edited recently, it's sorted by the year each was named a Doctor. I'd suggest keeping that order, with either year of birth or alphabetical ordering for those years which had multiple Doctors named. PaulGS 00:21, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
From the current article:
"The Catholic Church has to date named 33 Doctors of the Church. Of these, the 17 who died before the formal disunion of the Eastern and Western Churches in 1054 are also venerated by the Eastern Orthodox Church. Among these 33 are 25 from the West and 8 from the East; 14 diocesan priests, 16 religious priests and 3 women; 18 bishops, 9 priests, 1 deacon, 2 nuns and 1 lay woman; 24 from Europe, 3 from Africa, 6 from Asia."
My first question is what the definition of "East" and "West is. My second question is how "18 bishops, 9 priests, 1 deacon, 2 nuns and 1 lay woman" can add up to 33. That seems to add up to 31 to me. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 04:21, 13 February 2007 (UTC).
The West in Christian history terms refers to that part of the world once [rimarily controlled by the Western Roman Empire, the Latin-speaking world, i.e., roughly, Western Europe. The East refers to that part of the world once controlled by or heavily influenced by the Byzantine Empire -- hence, Eastern Europe and the Middle East, roughly speaking. Western Christianity follows the Roman liturgical tradition (and later, the Protestant traditions), while Eastern Christianity follows the Byzantine, Antiochene, Alexandrian and Armenian traditions -- today the Eastern Rite Catholic, the Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox churches. There are in fact 33 doctors -- the 2 nuns and one laywoman is a bit misleading, as Catherine of Siena was a lay Dominican who later was part of a convent; 19 were bishops (including Popes), 10 were priests, 1 was a deacon, and three were women, all arguably (in some sense) religious sisters.HarvardOxon 04:53, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
- Just to muddy the waters, the Oriental traditions consider both the Byzantine and Latin traditions to be Western. In a sense, they're right, as both the Byzantine and Latin traditions draw heavily on the Graeco-Roman philosophical inheritance, while the Oriental Orthodox (and their corresponding Catholic Churches) never adopted it. What fun. InfernoXV (talk) 13:42, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Expansion of list[edit]
I have included references to groups other than simply the main Roman Catholic Church as per the Holweck source cited. John Carter (talk) 20:34, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Reference to Isaac of Nineveh[edit]
In my browser the reference to Isaac is in red (not linked), but in Google I find that wikipedia does have an article on someone by thet name. Are the 2 the same? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 10:57, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Asterisks in Table Undefined[edit]
A number of the entries on the table have an asterisk, but the meaning of this is undefined. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 16:56, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
If no one knows what these are, then they should be removed. 22.214.171.124 (talk) 01:46, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
St. Ambrose isn't German. St. Ambrose German? Then Albert Einstein is Italian[edit]
St. Ambrose was a Roman (Roman by race, by culture and even, it must be added, by his carrer); Bishop and moralist as he was, his ethics were a form of Christianized stoic philosophy. He was never ethnically or culturally German. --188.8.131.52 (talk) 11:53, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
Lutherans and Doctors[edit]
Lutherans recognize and use the term Doctor for the great doctors of East and West. I also am pretty sure that for the commemoration of Martin Lutheran, the use of the term doctor is not just to note that he had a doctorate but that he was a teacher of the Church in the same way that 'doctor' is used in the rest of the article. Is there any documentation for the use of doctor in this way? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 16:51, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
"Little Flower"[edit]
I have corrected the reference to St. Theresa (of Lisieux) to reflect her correct name in religion and indicated that "Little Flower" is not an official name, but one bestowed on her by the faithful. Caeruleancentaur (talk) 12:49, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
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Surely this column is anachronistic and useless and should be removed. In imperial and medieval times, the people of Europe did not share our hang ups about blood and soil. In many cases the ethnicity is not known with any certaintly. Is there any benefit at all to keeping it? Rwflammang (talk) 18:43, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
- Since no one has mentioned any benefit to keeping this article, and since someone has recently asserted that St Ambrose was Gallic, which at a minimum debatable, I will delete this column. Rwflammang (talk) 20:54, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
Doctrix amoris[edit]
Does anyone have any source for the title doctrix amoris? Rwflammang (talk) 13:24, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
- The proper title would be Doctor, not doctrix -- the Church has not chosen to use the feminized noun in reference to the female Doctors (thus throughout the Latin version of John Paul II's Apostolic Letter declaring her a Doctor, the Latin term is doctor, not doctrix). The use of the title Doctor Amoris for Therese comes from several factors: the title of the aforementioned Apostolic Letter, which is Divini Amoris Scientia, "the science (knowledge) of Divine Love"; and the fact that Therese's "little way" was founded fundamentally on the concept of divine love, as discussed in her main Wiki entry and as cited by John Paul II in his homily for the occasion of making her a Doctor ("Thérèse of Lisieux did not only grasp and describe the profound truth of Love as the centre and heart of the Church, but in her short life she lived it intensely."). Finally, your contention that doctor amoris is a title reserved to Ovid makes little sense, given that Ovid is not a Doctor of the Church. NathanielMCampbell (talk) 15:32, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
- The main problem with attributing doctoral titles to the most recently declared doctores Ecclesiae is that the titles are not themselves officially bestowed by the Church; rather, they are what become generally accepted by popular use over the course of time. It will likely be several more decades (or longer) before recent doctors like Therese, or John of Avila, of Hildegard of Bingen, develop widely accepted and used titles. NathanielMCampbell (talk) 16:01, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
- As a matter of fact, she is not called doctor amoris, so that title is a non-starter. As a matter of fact, she is called doctrix amoris, as any user of google can easily attest. Our problem is that there is no evidence that any of these google hits ("ghits") have any origin short of Wikipedia itself. Wikipedia demands a reference. If the title doctrix amoris is going to be used, we will need a notable source for it. Rwflammang (talk) 04:21, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
- That's basically what I said: the theological and devotional communities haven't yet developed a standard doctoral moniker for Therese, although doctor/doctrix amoris has been used on occasion (a google search of the masculine form, for example, turns up a use by Rome Reports last year when John of Avila and Hildegard of Bingen were made doctores). The feminine form, however, is NOT correct, as the official Vatican documents concerning Therese (as well as the other female doctores) uses doctor, NOT doctrix, as I pointed out above. Until such time as the theological and devotional communities settle on a standard, it would be best for Wikipedia to leave those fields blank. NathanielMCampbell (talk) 14:24, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
- The Vatican has no authority over Latin grammar. The sensus fidelium, unlike its minders in the curia, seems to understand that Therese was a woman, and that the feminine form is the correct one. Rwflammang (talk) 19:40, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
- But as of now, the only citable sources I can find with Latin titles for these women are the Apostolic Letters written by the Popes who declared them doctores -- and in all of those, they are referred to as doctores, NOT as doctrices. Perhaps you would like to inform Fr. Reginald Foster (who certainly worked on Therese's letter) that he got it wrong? (I'd also point out that quite a few holy women {especially medieval} had a habit of using gender-bending language precisely as a way to overcome patriarchal boundaries.) NathanielMCampbell (talk) 13:29, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
- I'd be happy to talk with Brother Foster about it if you could send me his contact info. Also, any examples of medieval holy women using "gender bending" language you could throw my way would be appreciated. Thanks. Rwflammang (talk) 17:41, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
- It's been a few years since I was in contact with Reggie -- and I believe he's been in ill-health lately, and has retired back to Milwaukee. (Here's his Wiki page: Reginald Foster (Latinist).) As for medieval holy women: the topic is vast and thorny, ranging from Hildegard of Bingen's famous inversions, in which her frail femininity is used by God to make her a scourge of the moral failures of men; to the fact that in the commentary tradition, Marguerite Porete's works were often thought to have been written by a man. A good recent overview that would include extensive references would be Medieval Holy Women in the Christian Tradition, c. 1100-c. 1500, ed. Alastair Minnis and Rosalynn Voaden (Turnhout: Brepols, 2010). NathanielMCampbell (talk) 17:51, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
- P.S. I'd also point out that changing the form from doctor to doctrix is not, in fact, grammatically necessary, although there is precedent for the feminine form in the Vulgate version of Wisdom 8:4. NathanielMCampbell (talk) 18:00, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
- I'd be happy to talk with Brother Foster about it if you could send me his contact info. Also, any examples of medieval holy women using "gender bending" language you could throw my way would be appreciated. Thanks. Rwflammang (talk) 17:41, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
- But as of now, the only citable sources I can find with Latin titles for these women are the Apostolic Letters written by the Popes who declared them doctores -- and in all of those, they are referred to as doctores, NOT as doctrices. Perhaps you would like to inform Fr. Reginald Foster (who certainly worked on Therese's letter) that he got it wrong? (I'd also point out that quite a few holy women {especially medieval} had a habit of using gender-bending language precisely as a way to overcome patriarchal boundaries.) NathanielMCampbell (talk) 13:29, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
- The Vatican has no authority over Latin grammar. The sensus fidelium, unlike its minders in the curia, seems to understand that Therese was a woman, and that the feminine form is the correct one. Rwflammang (talk) 19:40, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
- That's basically what I said: the theological and devotional communities haven't yet developed a standard doctoral moniker for Therese, although doctor/doctrix amoris has been used on occasion (a google search of the masculine form, for example, turns up a use by Rome Reports last year when John of Avila and Hildegard of Bingen were made doctores). The feminine form, however, is NOT correct, as the official Vatican documents concerning Therese (as well as the other female doctores) uses doctor, NOT doctrix, as I pointed out above. Until such time as the theological and devotional communities settle on a standard, it would be best for Wikipedia to leave those fields blank. NathanielMCampbell (talk) 14:24, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
(outdent) When I asked for examples of gender bending, I meant the grammatical kind. I'm definitely not interested in any other kind. I also note that Lewis and Short seems unaware of the possibility of using Doctor in the feminine gender. Rwflammang (talk) 00:08, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
- Off the top of my head, I would point you to Hildegard of Bingen's frequent practice of having the "voice from heaven" refer to her as homo, a noun which she then uses throughout her writings in a specifically gender-neutral way to refer to a generic "human person". There's also the visions of Hildegard's contemporary, Elisabeth of Schönau, in which the angel of Lord often addresses her as homo but also at least once as fili hominis (which is clearly masculine), and at another time exhorting her to act viriliter (see cc. 67-70 of the First Book of Visions, in Elisabeth of Schönau: The Complete Works, trans. Anne L. Clark (Paulist Press, 2000), pp. 85-7.) I don't have time at the moment to dig deeper, but I'm sure that if I did, I could come up with more examples.
- The other place to look for this is the long tradition of employing female images for God and Christ. A few standard sources on this: Caroline Walker Bynum, Jesus as Mother: Studies in the Spirituality of the High Middle Ages (Univ. of California Press, 1982); ibid., "'...And Woman His Humanity': Female Imagery in Religious Writing of the Later Middle Ages," in Bynum, Fragmentation and Redemption: Essays on Gender and the Human Body in Medieval Religion (Zone Books, 1991); Barbara Newman, From Virile Woman to WomanChrist: Studies in Medieval Religion and Literature (Univ. of Pennsylvania Press, 1995); and Catherine Mooney, ed., Gendered Voices: Medieval Saints and their Interpreters (Univ. of Pennsylvania Press, 1999), which includes two essays apropos to the references above: Barbara Newman, "Hildegard and Her Hagiographers: The Remaking of Female Sainthood" (pp. 16-34) and Anne L. Clark, "Holy Woman or Unworthy Vessel? The Representations of Elisabeth of Schönau" (pp. 35-51). NathanielMCampbell (talk) 14:31, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for all these references, but I am still dubious. Obviously, homo and viriliter are not examples of grammatical gender bending, nor are female images for God or Christ. You are certainly correct that fili is masculine, unless of course it is an abbreviation for filia; these are manuscripts after all. I have not yet located a primary source for her Latin text. But thanks for the pointers. Rwflammang (talk) 23:05, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
- I found her work in PL195 and added a mention of it in her article. Rwflammang (talk) 23:21, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
Style: titles and links[edit]
Wondering about the use of titles in the article:
- The title "Saint" is used throughout the list of Doctors recognized by the Catholic Church, but is omitted in lists of other Christian churches that recognize saints. Seems to me that it should appear both places. This also raises an issue of WP:OVERLINK since Doctors who are recognized by multiple churches have their names linked each time they are mentioned. Order names, titles, etc. are also overlinked.
- In the "Activity" Column (and isn't there a better name for this?)
- Don't want to get anachronistic, but was Milan a province when St. Anselm was bishop? Should he be listed as an archbishop?
- SS John Chrysostom and Gregory Nazianzus are both listed as Archbishops of Constantinople with separate links to Archbishop and Constantinople. Shouldn't they be listed as Patriarch of Constantinople? Similarly, St Cyril of Jerusalem should be listed as Patriarch of Jerusalem (link to disambiguation page intentional).
- St Bonaventure is listed as a "Cardinal Bishop" with both words in the link, yet St Peter Damian has only the "Bishop" in his entry listed. Other cardinals (St. Jerome, St. Robert Bellarmine off the top of my head) aren't identified as such. Seems like this honor should be mentioned for all or for none.
- It seems that "Jesuit", "Benedictine", "Redemptorist", "Dominican", "Discalced Carmelite" or just "Carmelite" and "Cistercian" are more useful to an encyclopedia user than the abbreviations used at present. Since the monastery at Jarrow followed the Rule of St Benedict IIRC, St Bede could be listed as a Benedictine rather than a monk. --Lineagegeek (talk) 14:52, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
- I think you are right; calling Ambrose an archbishop is anachronistic. For the same reason, calling Chrysostom, Gregory, and Cyril patriarchs would be anachronistic; calling them archbishops is not. Rwflammang (talk) 18:18, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
- Then at least the links should be Archbishop of Constantinople and Archbishop of Jerusalem rather than what they are now. Not my area, but I'll be bold snd upgrade the other St Cyril to Archbishop. I welcome comment from anyone about establishment or recognition of patriarchates before the fifth century. I'll leave time for more comment before doing anything with the other stuff.--Lineagegeek (talk) 22:22, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
Eastern Orthodox section[edit]
The Eastern Orthodox section is problematic in many ways.
- It says that the term doctor of the church is unnecessary in Eastern Orthodox theology. So what? It's not necessary in Roman Catholic theology either. The statement is off topic.
- It says the EO theology "omits the need" for a list of (scare quote) "Doctors". What need? How can what is non-existent be omitted?
- The more usual term used is Father, it says. So what? Is this a need in EO theology? It certainly isn't in RC theology.
- There seems to be an assumption running through this paragraph that Doctor has some sort of theological meaning. What it is of course is a liturgical classification, like confessor, or martyr, or apostle, or virgin, or pastor, or holy man, or holy woman.
The last two sentences of this section are interesting and, perhaps, relevant. I suggest deleting or at least replacing the rest. I see nothing there that is on-topic or even coherent. Rwflammang (talk) 15:24, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
Aperuit os eius[edit]
There is a difficulty in rendering the Latin phrase In medio Ecclesiae aperuit os ejus, * Et implevit eum Deus spiritu sapientiae et intellectus. * Jucunditatem et exsultationem thesaurizavit super eum into English. The Latin phrase makes clear that the one doing the opening is not the same as the one whose mouth is being opened. The English rendering, in the midst of the Church he opened his mouth does not make that clear at all. That rendering makes it sound like it was the doctor who was opening his own mouth. I had changed "his mouth" to "her mouth" under the assumption that ejus referred to the Church, so that the doctor was opening the Church's mouth. A fellow editor objected that ejus referred to whomever eum referred to. Consulting Ecclesiasticus 15:5 convinces me that the he was right. It is not the doctor who is doing the opening, but Deus, God, the subject of the response. The erudite Ronald Knox translated the line thus, The Lord moved him to speak before the assembled people, filling him with the spirit of wisdom and discernment.
I therefore propose changing the translation to read, In the midst of the Church God opened his mouth, * and filled him with the spirit of wisdom and understanding. * He heaped upon him a treasure of joy and gladness. Rwflammang (talk) 03:29, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
- Your proposed translation is still slightly open to ambiguity (God does not open his own mouth, as these translations [1][2] would suggest), but it's a good translation and clearer than what currently stands, especially when reading the full sentence rather than just the first line. support Beleg Tâl (talk) 18:51, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
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