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Geopathic Stress
The most common types of energy fields that cause geopathic stress emanate from Hartmann Grids, Underground Streams and Geological Faults
For many of us who fall sick and seek the help of a doctor a few minutes is spent discussing symptoms and lifestyle quickly followed by the doctor scribbling on a proscription pad. It may surprise you therefore, that in many European countries, Germany and Austria in particular, one of the first questions the doctor may ask is about the location of your bed and how long have you been sleeping there. These questions are routinely asked not only by several thousand doctors, but also many cancer specialist hospitals will recommend a Geopathic Surveyor or Geobiologist as they are often called to investigate your home before deciding on a course of therapy or reaching for the prescription pad. The search, using both dowsing methods to locate geopathic energies and scientific instruments to detect man made electromagnetic energies will determine whether your illness is linked to geopathic stress electromagnetic stress or both. If so, you will be advised how to avoid or eliminate these harmful energies from your home so you stand a better chance of responding to any treatment given.
Geopathic Stress: Is the result of spending long periods working or sleeping above any building or place where the natural energy of the Earth is disturbed by weak electromagnetic fields created by underground streams, certain mineral concentrations, fault lines and cavities. Some early symptoms often experienced above these geopathic zones are related to restlessness, headaches, insomnia and fatigue. If you continue to stay in these areas especially during sleep, then in the long term the stresses on our bodies will emerge as more serious conditions such as, diseases of the central nervous system, Multiple Sclerosis (MS), Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS), miscarriages, and cancer. While we are asleep our body should be resting so it can repair body cells, fight infections and absorb nutrients from food. However, if we sleep in an area affected by geopathic stress, our body has to use all its energy just to keep its vital organs going. As a result our immune system becomes weakened, which means it has difficulty in absorbing nutrients or fighting off infections as efficiently as it should.
In Germany and Austria today there are signs of the seriousness with which geopathic stress is taken. Not only are the public more generally aware, but their governments funds aid and continuing research in to the matter. In some schools children are moved at frequent intervals to avoid possible harmful effects. Reports from other countries such as Switzerland, France, the Netherlands, Belgium and Scandinavia indicate that they too have been taking notice.
Classical Early Symptoms of Sleeping Above an Underground Stream
Energy depleted state. Panic attacks. Insomnia. Depression. Headaches. Short term memory loss. Loss of balance. Hypersensitivity to light
Muscle and joint pains. Candidacies. Energy depleted state.
Long term exposure in combination with other types of energy such as Hartman lines, high electromagnetic fields or geological faults can give rise to optimistic abnormal cell growth and cancer. It has been known for a long time that when there is flowing water under a dwelling the inhabitants always feel more tired, are prone to premature aging and have a loss of vitality than those who sleep above neutral ground. While water running beneath a domestic dwelling should be avoided, a stream situated nearby and open to the sky will favourably discharge its negative energies harmlessly into the atmosphere.
Geopathic Stress Update
Two of the worlds leading authorities on the nature and measurement of geopathic stress are university professors Gerhard W. Hacker and Gernot Pauser; Presented here i s their latest research:
Geophysical Background, Target Structures and Effects of Geopathic Stress Zones, as Detected with
Gas Discharge Visualization (GDV) Methodology
Gerhard W. HACKERa,*and Gernot PAUSERb
a Univ.-Prof. Dr. Gerhard W. Hacker: Head, IGGMB - Research Institute for Frontier Questions of Medicine and Biotechnology, Landeskrankenhaus Salzburg, University Clinics of the Paracelsus Private Medical University, Salzburg Federal Clinics (SALK), Salzburg, Austria.
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b Univ.-Prof. Dr. Gernot PAUSER: University Clinic for Anesthesiology, Perioperative Medicine and General Intensive Care, Landeskrankenhaus Salzburg, University Clinics of the Paracelsus Private Medical University, Salzburg Federal Clinics (SALK), Salzburg, Austria.
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Already since thousands of years, the existence of specific locations where people do not sleep well, get sick more easily, or where performance is lower has been empirically known (e.g., 1-3). Dowsers and geobiologists have termed such zones as "water veins" or "earth rays". However, these terms are misleading and technically incorrect. In recent years, the expressions "geopathic stress" and "geopathic interference zones" have been accepted internationally to describe the phenomenon.
Only rudimental evidence is available today, if such zones could be measured using accepted physical apparatus. Our knowledge on the geophysical reasons for geopathy is also very limited. It is clear that the phenomenon is composed by combinations of different causes. At present, for most aspects contained herein, only hypotheses can be formed - and there are many of them. Most explanations tried concentrate on the existence of natural electromagnetic fields (EMFs) present at particular locations, "interfering" with the organisms. Many "specialists" presume that the origin to be in the ground – below the earth surface. Frequencies in between about 0,1 Hz up to the GHz-range are being suggested in public literature.
One of the reasons why an incontrovertible physical measurement of the assumedly existing electromagnetic fields appears to be impossible at present could be that these are very variable, broad-banded and at the same time only present in very low power strengths, "hidden" in the surrounding electromagnetic noise. An apparatus able to discriminate such low energy broadband EMFs from noise apparently is not yet available. A recent technological innovation can now aid us in this quest, allowing a sophisticated physical measurability of deviations of the earth's magnetic field: the SQUID–technology. With Super-Conducting Quantum Interference Devices (SQUID), it is possible to quantify variations of one ten billionth [American English] of the earth's magnetic field. This highly sensitive technology is being used successfully in medical science (e.g. optical cardio-magnetometry), in detecting material defects and cracks in aircraft parts, in archaeology, and for tracing natural resources (e.g., 4).
One can assume that there are many origins for the effects of different locations on humans, animals and plants. Surely it's not one, single, definite kind of "radiation". In addition to the discussed weak, broadband transversal electromagnetic and magnetic fields assumed to be originated in the ground, other forms of "energies" might exist, such as the often controversially discussed longitudinal scalar waves (5). Various possibilities of combinations are imaginable. Overlapping, or a "build up" of resonance effects are also part of the geopathic phenomenon. Furthermore, technically generated EMFs are present on every place on earth; their likely influence on our health is presently the subject of intensive worldwide research. The so called "space weather" (including "Schumann-fields") also plays a role (6). In our following attempts at explanation, we will concentrate on natural sources possibly originating from the "ground", i.e. the very outer skin or our earth.
2.1. Electromagnetic fields "from the ground": stringy waterways
Low energy, broad-banded and dynamically changing EMFs, creating resonance with structures of the human organism, may well be part of the geopathy phenomenon. Both, technical and biological systems can be influenced by EMFs, whereby numerous questions are still open, such as the concerning limits and the nature of physical interference fields (5). There is growing experimental evidence that EMFs - at least those of technical origin – can have significant effects on cells and the entire organism. Unwanted effects include, for example, serious damage of the genome (including field-induced DNA strand breaks) (7-12), suppression of the immune system (Hacker et al., unpublished), and adverse effects on proliferation and apoptosis, e.g. of neurons and neuro-endocrine cells (13).
But where in the ground could sources of natural EMFs exist? Physically well explainable, such fields could be induced by specific metallic ions and /or metal particles contained in water, flowing in streams or, most often, in so called "stringy waterways" through the pervious and anisotropic rubble-/gravel-/sand-/soil-body of the natural ground (Fig. 1). Certain ions and metals moved by water can – depending on concentration, composition and flow rate – can indeed lead to geoelectricity.
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In addition, the dipolar nature of H2O-molecules can also be part of the origin of such fields. As an extremely dielectric medium, water favors the formation of potential vortices, which immediately after their formation contract swiftly. If you turn a water molecule with its electric charge distribution, then from the moving charge a magnetic field results. If thus in a pipe a hydrodynamic flow vortex is produced, an electric and a magnetic vortex, the potential vortex and the eddy current, are the result (5).
2.2. Piezoelectricity
Piezoelectricity is the ability of certain crystals and certain ceramic materials to generate electrical and magnetic signals in response to applied mechanical stress. In nature, piezoelectrical dischargings can occur in some areas of geological "warps" containing quartz sand particles, and may be another plausible cause of geopathic stress effects (14). The effect was already discovered in 1824 by David Brewster and then experimentally elaborated by Pierre and Jacques Curie in 1880. Although also present in tourmaline, topaz, cane sugar and Rochelle salt (sodium potassium tartrate tetrahydrate), the effect became particularly known for quartz. With a proportion of 12 % of the upper earth's crust, quartz is the most frequent mineral after feldspar.
Inside an ideal quartz crystal, the electrical charge of the elements silicon and oxygen cancel each other out. When a crystal lattice cell is compressed by mechanical pressure, an imbalance is the result, manifesting itself in the development of a tiny electrical voltage (Fig. 2). Vice versa, quartz can be triggered to oscillate by applying a voltage to it ("quartz oscillator crystal"; in use for example in crystal controlled clocks).
Another well known use of piezoelectricity is found in lighters using piezoelectric ignition: There, sudden mechanical pressure onto a synthetic quartz crystal block (containing high amounts of exactly aligned synthetic lattice crystal cells) leads to the generation of high voltage. The resulting spark is able to ignite the burnable gas. It is understandable therefore that sudden or variable heavy mechanical pressure on a great many of quartz crystal particles, as continuously present in many places of our earth skin, is able to create discharges of remarkable size (see also: http://en.wikipedia.org).
HERE: Figure 2 to be mounted!
2.3. Scalar waves
Another aspect of the geopathy phenomenon, which appears to be largely underestimated in its importance, could be found in the presence of "longitudinal scalar waves" (5). Those are directed waves spreading into the direction of a field vector. The scalar wave is carried by scalar particles or field vortexes. In the case of plasma waves, they are charged particles, and in the case of sound waves, they are air particles. E.T. Whittaker already in 1904 showed mathematically that the known and accepted Laplace Wave Equation of the year 1787, besides indicating transversal electro-magnetic waves, also describes longitudinal scalar waves (15).
The existence of longitudinal wave proportions, as also present in the near field of a dipol antenna, could already be shown experimentally by Nikola Tesla (1856-1943) (16-16). In spite of the fact that scalar waves in the field theory of Maxwell are usually neglected and set to zero, numerous experiments can lead to the conclusion that they do really exist and influence the human organism (5). According to Professor Konstantin Meyl (Furtwangen University, Germany), to a measurement technician scalar waves experimentally manifest as (antenna-)noise, a mixture of frequencies and wavelengths. They interact with an appropriate partner or medium by going into resonance. In the case of resonance, both sources attract each other, which can be explained and calculated by the occurrence of field changes during that process (5).
2.4. Natural radioactivity
As a matter of course, natural radioactivity also plays a role in the geopathy phenomenon: often it exists in areas with a lot of granite and gneiss, and in zones where radon gas is present (e.g. thermal springs etc.). However, an extensive discussion of the origin and effects of radioactivity from the ground would go far beyond the scope of this manuscript.
3.1. Physical Interactions and Resonance
To influence an organism, an extrinsic energy source has to come into interaction with the body, organs, cells, cell organelles and/or molecules in some way or another. The presence of pure physical interactions and in addition also of "physiologic sensors" located inside the body can be assumed. Below we will go into detail on their possible interactive nature.
Physically, for instance, we could point to a reciprocal build up by resonance. To be more precise, from outside, we have "extrinsic" (external) field sources (e.g. those from the ground). Inside our body, there are the "intrinsic" (internal) structures and molecules of the organism, which are either "resonating" because of their physical nature (as with stringed instruments: compare the vibration of the string alone versus string with resonator sound box), or create a certain frequency themselves. Examples for the latter are the physiological "pace making" of the heart muscle, or that of the central nervous system (e.g., the 10 Hz-clocking of brain waves).
Water does play an important role in physiological functionality of the organism and therefore also in the context to geopathy: The above discussed amplitude vibrations of the electrically charged potential vortextes associated to the dielectric water molecules very likely enable resonance of bodily / cellular water with different external fields. Physical resonance is defined as a synchronization of two sources which vibrate with the same pulse frequency but with contrary polarity. In the case of resonance, information is being exchanged, energies are transmitted and, in fact, a component of balance between the sources is being formed (from personal communication, A. Schrodt, 2006).
3.2. Physiologic and Biochemical Sensors
Besides the role of water inside the body, and with the understanding that the human head contains 70% water (care: not "simple" H2O is meant here; it is a kind of "structured water" of a colloid nature), some kind of "receptors" or "antennas" in our bodies must be present, reacting to geopathic fields. Of the numerous possibilities, only some examples shall be mentioned here.
Proteins and most other bio-molecules are not at all "nonrigid" structures; in order to fulfill their functions, they possess the ability to dynamically change their shapes within certain limits. Internal protein dynamics can potentially affect protein function through a variety of mechanisms, some of which are tautological or obvious in nature while others are subtle and remain to be fully explored and appreciated (18). Certain processes of proteins as parts of their 3-D conformation have the ability to oscillate or rotate. Such only a few nanometers sized processes have been discussed as possible sites of resonance induced by external EMFs, acting as "protein-antennas" (19). When experimentally irradiated by EMFs of frequencies in between about 1-2 GHz, they displayed a changing of conformation, respectively changing in their manner of oscillation, even when only very low field strengths had been applied (19).
Huge amounts of very tiny magnetic crystals (magnetite crystals) have been found in the brain, and these could react very sensitively to the slightest changes in magnetic fields (20). Black dots on magnetic resonance imaging pictures (MRI) of human brain tissue led researches to the idea that these could be magnetic particles. From post mortem brains, magnetite crystals of a size of 50 nm could be isolated, and their magnetic field could be measured. The research was done in a special laboratory room that was completely shielded from the natural magnetic field of the earth by tons of steel. Actual measurements were carried out using a SQUID-System. The magnetite-particles could also be visualized and further analyzed using a high-definition transmission electron microscope. The most exciting result of those experiments was that, most of the regions of the brain appear to contain about five million biogenous "single-domain" magnetite crystals per gram wet weight on average, and the meninges (pia and dura mater) contain even more than 100 million.
The meaning of those magnetic crystals, however, is largely unexplained yet. Evidence that these microscopically small magnetite particles would function for some kind of sensory perception in humans could not yet been confirmed. However, speculations are that the presence of magnetite crystals in brain might be understood as proof of a "submerged magnetic sensor", similar to that of carrier pigeons or whales, theoretically easing human orientation and direction – thus a kind of "relict of evolution". But, if it would really be a relict, those particles would not exist in such a high quantity anymore. Magnetic particles in the brain could turn out to be one of the reasons why dowsing can work. In any case, magnetite crystals in the brain could possibly be a hint to explain how (certain qualities of) geopathic zones may affect the body: Magnetite reacts more than one million times stronger to an external magnetic field than every other biological material. Recently, in the Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences, an article describes possible roles that magnetic ferrous amalgamations could play in neurological disease (21).
When analyzing possible effector sites of fields from natural and/or technical origin, it appears likely that cell membranes may also play a role. It has been experimentally shown that already relatively low field strengths of low frequency, as well as high frequency electro/magnetic fields can lead to changes or disturbances of information transfer at the ion channels of cell membranes (22-23).
Even though in today's popular media, pseudo-scientific and quasi-medical reports on the topic of geopathy are presented to the public, no "peer reviewed" medical journal indexed in MedLine had published statistically firm and sound provable evidence of geopathic effects on humans until most recently. Previously described effects and descriptions of the pioneers (1, 3 and others) in this area unfortunately aren't available in the standardized, scientifically acceptable nor reproducible format required for peer-reviewed medical journals, but rather as monographs. Nevertheless, this doesn't lower their importance and relevance: Those pioneers in research on the geopathy phenomenon neither had the scientific-medical verifiability methods that are available today, nor was the time mature for such publications in the kind of medical journals we know today. Nonetheless, what these people achieved, and their courage, as well as of the publishers who rightly published their works, deserve high credits.
Our first concepts how to address the geopathy phenomenon were based on the descriptions and personal discussions with the late Otto Bergsmann († 2004) and Alois Stacher (medical doctors, both from Vienna, Austria) and carried out in close co-operation with Adolf Wiebecke and his team (Salzburg and Oberalm, Austria). Because of the lack of "direct" physical measurement techniques for the doubtlessly existing "energy fields" at least partly originating in the ground, we decided to use the human body as an indicator. In our first approaches, we utilized methods from complementary medicine (bio-resonance, kinesiology, heart-rate variability, etc.). Although successful in some areas addressed, the effects found had not the high statistical significance required, and the methodology used was not a generally accepted one, guaranteeing medical relevance and reproducibility.
4.1. The GDV System and its Use in Measuring Geopathic Influences
A few years ago, we came across the gas discharge visualization (GDV) technology. Being fascinated by its highly sensitive ability to detect stress effects, and also by the fact that this method is being used world-widely for manifold applications combining "pure physics" with complimentary evaluation of apparently high accuracy, we could reproducibly show using this method that different zones above ground do exhibit different effects on the human organism. The associated manuscript went through a thorough peer-reviewing process and was published in the renowned professional journal "Forschende Komplementärmedizin" (Research in Complementary Medicine; www.karger.com/fkm) (24).
The GDV-method Prof. Konstantin Korotkov (National Technical University of St. Petersburg, Russia), as used in that work, delivers a number of sensitive and reproducible parameters (25-46). For us, the mean "area-of-glow" was the best possible means for sensitively indicate stress. Furthermore, one can acquire "corona diagrams" in the manner of complementary medicine from the individual allocation of the "corona" gas discharge from the different fingertips, following the principles of the energy–meridian theory and of acupuncture. Using that particular aspect, we were able to indicate which organ systems of the body might be affected by geopathic stress. The accordant calculations and projections were done interactively using specific software for analysis, based on the energy-emission-analysis according to Mandel (47-48), the Su-Jok-System of acupuncture (49) and clinical data of thousands of test persons from the St. Petersburg institute of Prof. Korotkov.
4.1.1. Is GDV a Reliable Instrument for Measuring Stress?
The question may arise if it is really justified to use GDV for stress measurements. In addition to the promising data presented in numerous publications before, including our own, we are presently in the middle of an evaluation targeting a validation of GDV mean area-of-glow as a reliable measure of certain aspects of stress. Although not yet completed, our tests appear to show that this is indeed the case: Parallel measurements of the diurnal time courses of GDV mean area of glow and of biochemical parameters collected from saliva (50-53) indicate that the diurnal curve progressions of GDV image areas and the levels of immunoglobulin A (IgA) go parallel, whilst another accepted parameter of stress, saliva alpha-amylase, progresses just the opposite to IgA and GDV. In other words, a higher GDV mean area of glow value corresponds to a higher IgA level (to be understood as an sign for lower stress or relaxation), and a lower GDV mean area of glow value can be understood as an indication for higher levels of alpha-amylase, i.e. for higher stress. A third marker, saliva cortisol, although displaying its very own rhythmicity, also appears to fit into the concept that GDV could be reliably used for biophysical stress measurement (Hacker and Augner, unpublished results).
4.1.2. Specific GDV Setup Used for Measuring Geopathic Stress
For detection geopathic stress, we have followed the design of a randomized, double-blinded non-clinical trial (54-44), following the ethical guidelines of the expanded Helsinki Declaration (56). All test persons had been informed about the GDV system and related safety issues, and about the fact that they may feel a slight "crawling" in their finger tips. Fifty-two voluntary test persons were measured at two locations, one of which has been identified by a group of six distinguished dowsers as being a "geopathic zone" and the other a "neutral zone". All persons were tested with and without the "Wave" device invented by Adolf Wiebecke (Oberalm / Salzburg, Austria; firstname.lastname@example.com). The exact test design, as well as the way how dowsers independently labeled the different zones in the laboratory test room, have been described in detail (24). Altogether, more than 137,000 individual fingertip GDV corona images were captured, interpreted by means of computer-aided image analysis and analyzed in detail using bio-statistics.
A GDV Camera Pro (http://www.korotkov.org/), specifically designed for high stability and reproducibility as required for scientific measurements, had been applied. In practice, to capture one "static GDV image", a very stable high voltage (10 kV, 1.024 Hz, square pulses) is pulsed on and off every 10 ms for a duration of 0,5 s. The electric field produces a visible gas discharge glow around the fingertip (Kirlian image), and such corona discharges have been recorded from each of the 10 fingertips of the test person repeatedly. The GDV Camera Pro was connected to a notebook computer, and the recorded glow images were digitally transferred using GDV Capture software (at that time, we used version 1.9.9. from 2004). For further calculations and analyses, the GDV Meridian Analysis and the GDV Diagram software (both with version no. 1.9.9.), and the GDV Scientific Laboratory software (version 1.1.5.) were applied.
During the experiments, the complete GDV system was mounted on a trolley, in order to measure the effects of the two different zones in the laboratory room directly "on site" without moving the test person to another place. For each test person and test phase, 50 single static measurements were performed (each finger tip was measured 5 times for 0,5 s). In addition, we have recorded dynamic GDV images from both ring fingers, repeated 3 times during each test period. In the specific setup for the static GDV images used in our study, the overall GDV image area values calculated are to be understood as mean values of 50 single finger GDV images in total, per test period. In randomized manner, four test phases were examined: "Geopathic zone" with and without a blindly mounted "Wave" device, and "neutral zone" with and without the "Wave". The latter device had been mounted or de-mounted in another room at an upper floor, and neither the test persons nor the examiners could see if the device was present or not. In order to minimize chronobiologic influences to a sensible degree, the experiments were carried out only in forenoons, and also in that respect, phase randomization in time was an important prerequisite (24).
4.1.3. Safety and Reproducibility Issues
To gain reliable data, we paid careful attention to a number of issues influencing stability, reproducibility and safety (24, 30, 37, 45): Throughout the whole study, the very same GDV system was used. Before use, the GDV camera (kept inside the laboratory at constant room temperature) was switched on at least 30 minutes prior to measurement, and careful calibrations were performed. Each test person was asked to thoroughly wash their hands using a pH neutral laboratory soap (without re-fattening properties), followed by wiping the fingertips with alcohol. It was not allowed to use hand cream or lotion. The glass plate surface of the GDV camera was cleaned using alcohol frequently, and it was taken care that none of the test persons had wet hands. The test persons were advised to keep their fingers still and relaxed during measurements and not to apply undue pressure when putting their fingers onto the glass plate at an angle of approximately 30-degrees to the instrument axis (28).
4.1.4. Biomedical Statistics
Raw data from the GDV image glow area and fractionality were additionally analyzed by the software programs Sigma-Plot 2002 (Systat; San Jose, CA, USA) and Excel 2003 (Microsoft; Redmond, WA, USA). In addition to the calculation of descriptive data (mean, median, standard deviation etc.), we carried out Gaussian normality tests and subsequently used the paired two-sample t-test for dependent variables to determine whether there are significant differences between the 4 experimental sub-period results. Two-sided p-values were classified statistically significant if they were < 0,01. A number of further statistical analyses were performed, also including distribution-independent tests.
4.1.5. Additional Precautions
As overlaying technical fields possibly influencing the results may have been present, we used sophisticated calibrated equipment to scan and record low and high frequency EMFs, potential acoustic noxae or vibrations during the whole study period, as well as a variety of additional physical parameters. The two measurement areas in the laboratory used for the experiments turned out to be indistinguishable from the aspect of technical fields and acoustic background noise, and the field strength and loudness levels present were far below existing (safety) guidelines.
4.2. Results of GDV Measurements for Geopathic Influence
A distinct location dependency was found: On the area dowsed as a possible "geopathic zone", significantly lower values of the "area-of-glow" parameter were found than those obtained from the "neutral zone" (p < 0,0001). At the "neutral zone", the mean static GDV glow area was 10.152 pixels (SEM: 190), whereas the corona image areas obtained from the "geopathic zone" were smaller (mean: 0.354 pixels; SEM: 170). From the results of our studies it can be concluded that geopathic zones do cause stress in nearly all of the persons tested.
When the "Wave" device was mounted, both locations yielded much larger GDV glow image areas: The more "neutral zone" gave a mean value of 11.792 pixels (SEM: 169), and the "geopathic zone" yielded 11.393 pixels (SEM: 160). Statistical significance again was enormously high (p < 0,0001) when compared to the results on those zones without the "Wave" device (24). Thus, the "Wave" device appears was able to de-stress / balance / harmonize energy in nearly all test persons, at the geopathic and also at more neutral zone tested in our laboratory.
Further analyses were carried out for complementary medical parameters included in the GDV software package. We calculated corona projections ("energy field") (Fig. 3), whole body corona diagrams, and circular corona diagrams (Fig. 4). The corona diagrams directed into a weakening of the energies of the immune system and the pineal organ (which might be understood as an indication of possible changes of the melatonin production) (compare to: 57-60), the cardiovascular and the urinary system in many of the test persons.
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Stress is known to adversely affect health as soon as it is present for longer periods (e.g., 61-65). Our study has shown that certain areas above the ground can indeed induce stress. Such zones might cause distress ("malignant stress") even when present for a short time, but there are also reports that (not scientifically proven) energetically stimulating zones ("positive energy zones") might exist, often also referred to as "power places". Such areas have been dowsed within some churches and other buildings constructed centuries or often thousands of years ago. "Positive stress" (eustress) under certain circumstances is a "wanted" bodily reaction, as it can stimulate us to best possible performance. If present for a prolonged time, however, eustress may soon turn to distress and thereby suppress the immune system.
Because of the energetic weakening of the immune and other bodily systems detected in our study, it appears highly likely that in some individuals, the development of various diseases is eased when people again and again stay for longer times at geopathic zones (e.g., if present at their sleeping area, or at the area where their working chair is usually placed). Effects on general health, healing processes (e.g. in hospitals or convalescent homes), on sleeping quality, and (according to unpublished results of a pre-study carried out by us in a home for behavioral conspicuous children) also on interpersonal relationships, especially with partners (e.g. aggression), and also performance at work are possible consequences of location-dependent stress. The "Wave" device investigated in our study could therefore, by its balancing effect, not only aid in lowering of stress, but also be understood as a tool for disease prevention.
Those people who are already in the beginning stages of poor health may sense an added sensitivity for diseases of different kinds when staying longer on geopathic locations, as well as notice that healing processes may take longer than usual. In later stages, it my not be impossible though that chronic stress caused by geopathic locations may finally even forward the development of malignant disease.
5.1. Conventional Measures to Reduce Geopathic Stress
5.1.1. Constructional Possibilities
A number of effective actions can be taken to keep one's body healthy and vital. Concerning geopathy, first of all, constructional adjustments are to be considered. During the planning stage in construction of new buildings, the geopathy phenomenon should be taken into account, so as to consciously design and construct buildings and rooms in a manner that, in areas where people will stay for longer periods of time, geopathic exposure should be as low as possible. Within existing rooms, often a relatively little adjustment of beds and often used seats may contribute to better living quality and health (bedrooms / beds, offices / desk seats, living rooms / television seating; hospitals / sickrooms, surgical theaters, etc.).
As there are no reliable measuring instruments available so far, presently it makes sense to take advice from an experienced dowser. However, according to the Munich barn-experiments (66-68) and other independent investigations, only a low percentage of the people claiming to be successful dowsers are actually capable of making reproducible and reliable conclusions. Therefore it makes sense to consult with a competent building environment engineer who has experience, skill and expertise in these matters.
If constructional arrangements are not possible before erecting a building or before starting a reconstruction, which is supposedly the case in most instances, there are also other practical possibilities: provided that there is a will to do so, it should be possible to move beds or desk seats, in order to get them out of interference zones. This is still the cheapest and a rather efficient action at the same time.
5.1.2. Stress Prevention
Everyone can do something to prevent negative influences by sources that cause stress: anything that lowers stress in general also helps one deal with specific stress factors, and zones, from any origin. This includes methods of stress-management and relaxation techniques, such as meditation, tai chi, guided imaginative journeying, and also certain hypnotherapeutic approaches (69-73). Likewise, prayer and spiritual practices can lead to inner harmony. Mental components are just as important: the more someone lives consciously, and even optimistically, in a state of positive thought, the less external stress factors can influence the person somatically.
Furthermore, many studies confirm that people who are "living healthily" – who manage their weight, refrain from smoking, enjoy the outdoors, participate in sports, etc., - have stronger immune systems and feel definitely less stress than their "unhealthy living" fellow men. A decisive component in this healthy lifestyle is, to what extent and type of nutrition one follows: concentrating on organically derived foods, lots of vegetables, fruit, and fish, less meat, paying attention to one's weight, as well as including periodic "purification" and/or fasting times, are some of the factors that lead to staying healthy and dealing more consciously with the environment. Interestingly, these positive lifestyle choices may also show up indirectly and in the subconscious: even technically derived EMFs seem to have much less of a negative effect with people who prefer such an "aware" way of life.
5.1.3. The "Wave" of A. Wiebecke
For those who cannot (or do not want to) adopt many of the above mentioned choices, due to illness, age, or some other reasons, things could become more difficult. In our study we could scientifically show that the "Wave" device of A. Wiebecke has a harmonizing effect on the human organism. Other claimed "devices for suppression of earth rays / water veins" have, to our knowledge, not yet been tested scientifically; at least, no indexed and peer-reviewed publication cited in MedLine could be found so far. Concerning the "Wave" device especially interesting is the fact, that it substantially reduces stress in people on "neutral zones" too, a finding which indicates that there is no real "neutral zone" existing. We would therefore suggest using a terminology towards a "more geopathic" and "geologically more neutral" zone in this context. As already stated above, technical fields and noxae [nocent influences] of different kinds are present everywhere on earth. As we could show, the "Wave" device in fact can help, and its exceptional promise as a preventive measure is of great interest.
5.2. Relevance for Everyday Life
Our studies show that it does matter on which location you stay for a longer period of time. Para-scientific reports about sleeplessness or higher rates of occurrence of different diseases have been with us for many years. It is clear that the accumulation of different factors stress can have strong effects on humans, animals and even plants. Possibilities to minimize the effects of geopathy on our organism in general have already been discussed above. In the following, we will briefly show what addressing geopathy do affect health care facilities, public places, and economy.
5.2.1. Relevance for Healthcare Facilities
What is the relevance of our findings for hospitals, convalescent homes and rehabilitation centers? In hospitals, observant physicians and nurses sometimes know from experience that there appear to be locations of sickbeds where, remarkably, many patients have a delayed recovery, or in especially blatant cases they may not recover at all. However, it is often not possible to move beds in hospital rooms. Thus, for this practical reason it may be worth considering installing a device that has a balancing effect here. Experiences of several years at the Salzburg University Clinics (at the Salzburg St. Johanns-Hospital, so far, more than 50 "Wave" devices have been installed to harmonize critical locations - especially in the intensive care unit and in the entire surgical ward), and at other major hospitals (e.g. in Vienna and Innsbruck, Austria; Aachen, Germany; Chur, Switzerland) seem to show positively influence healing and aggressiveness; a thorough study, done according to appropriate scientific criteria, is not available yet.
5.2.2. Relevance for Wellness-Centers
The term "wellness", which is composed of the ideals "well-being" and "fitness" as well as "life-style" and "happiness", to a modern point of view denotes a holistic concept of health. Wellness enhancing methods and applications aim to increase physical, psychological and spiritual well-being. An essential component is the so called "stress management". The results of our research are of great relevance for "wellness-centers" too: sustainable success in relaxation and stress management methods is essentially dependent upon the particular location of sleeping and of therapy beds. Such facilities, therefore, should be planned and managed very consciously: When there are known interference zones of geopathic origin (and/or of technical origin too), very soon this would have financial effects, because customers sharing "word of mouth" will tell everybody that the stay only was of moderate or no profit to them. Thus, especially in already existing establishments, the purposeful placement of "Wave" devices can be of great benefit.
5.2.3. Relevance for public buildings
In a pilot study (unpublished findings), we have found indications of more aggressive behavior by children living or working on geopathic locations. "Wave" devices were installed and de-installed in randomized and blinded manner, and the result was a distinct dilution of undesirable behavior patterns. One of the tests, taken in a care center for children displaying behavioral problems, additionally showed, among other changes, that the incidence of bedwetting [nocturnal enuresis] definitely decreased when the "Wave" was present, and that the learning ability and the quality of sleep changed for the better (unpublished findings). Also, there were remarkable improvements in interpersonal relationships. By inference, if these results are applied to public facilities in general, the "Wave" could probably have a number of desirable effects in schools, offices, banks, supermarkets, etc. Very favorable positive field reports already exist, e.g. at Salzburg airport, several major banks, editorial offices and shopping malls.
5.2.4. Relevance for Competitive Sports
Very impressive results are also to be found in highly competitive sports. The motto, "winners slept better!" is of specific relevance in this area. A serious athlete who doesn't sleep well before a competition is far from being as able-bodied as someone who has had "a good night's rest". Individual beds, free from stress-causing zones, are enormously important. But unfortunately, usually the athlete cannot choose in which room or bed she/he will spend the night. Again this means that, the installation of "Waves" by the affected sports clubs and hotels would help to create a more just / equal base level for each sportsman. Alternatively, an athlete could conceivably bring along a "Wave" and use it in her/his bedroom – and this would help the entire team.
5.2.5. Commercial Relevance
Naturally, the negative effects of geopathic stress zones also have considerable commercial impact. Individual performance on "interference reduced" zones increases, and all sides - superintendents, managers and employees - would possibly benefit. When individuals feel better, they will perform better, and be healthier and happier at work too – facts that would also have economic consequences. The number of staff on sick leave will probably decrease in the long run, when all employees work at geopathically (and otherwise also) more balanced work places. Contrarily, at "highly burdened" workplaces, performance will decrease, discontentment grows, and the vulnerability to diseases and the resulting rise of employees' illnesses will be greater. The aggregate economic success of a company or institution can very well be in the balance; responsible (and visionary) managers should take heed of the results of our studies in their plans and act accordingly. In the workplace and in the home: this is only part of the whole picture, because "ready to go" or rested and productive employers and employees should also be able to benefit at peace and harmony at home.
The follow-up costs associated with longer "chronic" stays on geopathic interference zones are probably enormous: As said before, geopathy is a matter of "burdened work places" leading to decreased ability of the employees to concentrate and to increased probability of employees' illnesses. This can produce enormous costs for our social and health systems, and the hidden costs we can only suspect today.
6. Further Studies / the Future
So far, the present scientific evidence of effects of geopathic zones on humans has been mainly found using complementary medical methods, with the exception of the GDV "area-of-glow" parameter. As preliminarily presented in this book, we have already obtained data underlining the validity of GSV as a reliable instrument for measuring stress, provided that all pre-cautions are taken into account and that well-trained and experienced persons use it. Parameters measured in saliva in parallel to GDV, such as IgA, alpha-amylase and cortisol, appear to change in level in direct relationship to the GDV mean area of glow. Soon, we shall have completed those experiments testing a number of test persons sufficiently high for good-practice statistical examination.
At the same time, we have already started experiments above different geological zones to test such key parameters contained in saliva, using biochemical assaying well accepted by orthodox medicine: various hormones, neuropeptides and immunological relevant substances are going to be tested "non-invasively".
Long-term studies are being planned too, which, as randomized double-blinded trials, would also include sleeping behavior testing and examining abilities to concentrate / perform at work. However, this will only be feasible if innovative and generous sponsors are found. We also hope that our team will encourage many other study groups to start working on scientifically well founded studies in this field "on the boundary" with pertinent and verifiable investigations from the medical, psychological (industrial psychology in particular) and commercial/financial fields.
7. Summary as a Table:
Geopathic Stress: Conclusions
· Using GDV, highly significant probability for existence of location dependency (short-term effect) was detected
· Geopathic interference zones weaken our organism
· They lead to stress; long lasting stress turns into chronic distress and disease
· Strong indication for weakening the immune system, cardiovascular system and others by geopathic influence
· Sleeplessness: no relaxation, weakening the immune system and furthering aggressiveness
· At home: avoiding or harmonizing interference zones help preemptively to stay healthy
· Health facilities: "healing" doesn't work as well on geopathically burdened zones
· Wellness-centers /spas: Success of therapy and stress-management depend on location of beds, among others
· Schools, kindergartens, offices etc.: aggression and interpersonal relationships vary on location, among others
· Economy and work place: decreased performance, increase of probability of employee's illness, follow-up costs
· Sports: "winners have slept better!"
· There is no real neutral zone, but only "better", less burdened zones
· The "Wave" device helps in nearly all cases: not only on geopathic zones, but also on more neutral zones
8. Credits
The authors extend thanks for their great help in conducting the quoted research and its essential components to this manuscript. We cordially thank (in alphabetical order – unless otherwise noted, all are in Austria): Univ.-Prof. Dr. Alfred AIGNER (sports medicine specialist doctor; Salzburg); Mag. Christoph AUGNER (general psychologist and work psychologist; IGGMB, University Clinics of Salzburg); Mag. Christoph FLORIAN (biologist; IGGMB, University Clinics of Salzburg); Sr. Dipl.-Ing. Dr. Josef AUMAYR (nuclear physicist; Vienna Krankenanstalten Verbund, Socio-Medical Center, Otto-Wagner-Hospital, Vienna); Mag. Annabell EDER (biologist; IGGMB, University Clinics of Salzburg); Dr. Wolfgang GADERMAYER (geologist; Salzburg/Hallein); OA Dr. Jörg HUTTER (surgeon; Department of Surgery, University Clinics of Salzburg); Ing. Hermann JELL (environmental measurement technology engineer; Municipal Administration of Salzburg); Prof. Bruno KLAUSBRUCKNER (environmental specialist; Vienna Krankenanstalten Verbund, Socio-Medical Center, Otto-Wagner-Hospital, Vienna); Günther KRAIBACHER (GDV-specialist; Salzburg); Prof. Dr. Ing. Konstantin MEYL (nuclear physicist; Furtwangen University, Germany); Dr. Elisabeth PAWLAK (physicist; Madrid, Spain); Gabriele POSCH (measurement technologist; Salzburg); Dr. Angelika SCHRODT (psychologist; Network Psychology Radolfszell, Germany, and Klothen/Zürich, Switzerland), Univ.-Prof. Dr. Gottfried TICHY (paleontologist and geologist; Salzburg University). We also thank Jürgen TORUNSKY (Mannheim, Germany) and Stephen Russel POPLIN, M.A., CHt. (hypnotherapist, U.S.A.) for their kind help in English language translation.
Furthermore, we thank Mr. Adolf WIEBECKE (Oberalm bei Salzburg), whom we want to congratulate for his most promising invention of the "Wave" device, for the possibility of doing experimental research using his device. Gerhard W. Hacker especially thanks his wife, Mrs. Ursula DEMARMELS-HACKER, for her love and support, and for abandoning many evenings and weekends of togetherness to find time for investigation and creation of this manuscript.
For their innovative and far-seeing pioneering work and active scientific exchange in the field of geopathy we thank Univ.-Doz. Dr. Otto BERGSMANN (V 2004) and Univ.-Prof. DDr. Alois STACHER (both: Vienna). For their great inspirational and/or financial support of our work we thank (in alphabetical order): Mag. Gerhard BIBER (financial manager, Salzburg University Clinics); Dr. Gerfried BRANDSTETTER (manager of the science department of the Salzburg federal government); Landeshauptfrau Mag. Gabi BURGSTALLER (Governor, of Salzburg Country); HR Dr. Alois GRÜNER (manager of the health department of Salzburg Province); Dir. DGKS Margret HADER (healthcare manager, Salzburg University Clinics); Dr. Ilse JEKEL (microbiologist; IGGMB, Salzburg University Clinics); Ing. Manfred PIBERGER (manager of the technical department of the Salzburg University Clinics).
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PONTE VEDRA BEACH, Fla.
David Duval withdrew from The Players Championship on Thursday because of tendinitis
in his right wrist, an injury that might jeopardize his chance of playing in the
"I am certainly disappointed I can not play,"
Duval said in a statement. "The Players Championship is very special to me and
it is very frustrating not to be able to compete. However, I need to get this
wrist healed and to do so, I must take some time off."
injured the wrist two weeks ago while trying to refine his swing for this important
stretch of golf the $6 million Players in his hometown and the Masters,
where he has contended the past three years.
He withdrew
from the Bay Hill Invitational last week and played only three holes of a practice
round Wednesday with Tiger Woods and Mark O'Meara before saying he felt pain in
his wrist and decided not to push it.
"It's not good,"
he said after going home.
Duval said he had an MRI exam
Wednesday to determine if there was ligament damage and that "confirmed that nothing
was wrong. It is tendinitis."
It was the third time
he has withdrawn from a tournament this year. He skipped the Nissan Open, saying
he was mentally fatigued from his worst start in five years.
is in one of those situations where he hasn't caught a break yet," Woods said.
"He's in a rut, a bad rut."
Duval won the Players two
years ago and replaced Woods as No. 1 in the world rankings, but he has won only
two tournaments since while battling health problems and other distractions.
who has dropped to No. 7 in the world, missed 10 weeks last year after injuring
his back. He returned to win the Buick Challenge, and was the key player in teaming
with Woods to win the World Cup in Argentina.
But the
new season began amid distractions when Duval ended his relationship with Titleist
and the company sued for breach of contract because there were three years left
on the deal. Duval later filed a counterclaim.
He signed
a four-year deal worth about $28 million with Nike earlier this month, and is
the first player to use Nike prototype irons on the PGA Tour.
also had planned to play in the BellSouth Classic next week in Atlanta, where
he is a past champion, saying he needed to be tested before arriving at Augusta
National. That, too, is now in doubt.
Earlier in the
week, Duval said he would take a cortisone shot "as a last resort" to play in
the Masters.
Duval did not speculate on future tournaments.
He will consult with doctors this week and next "about the best course of therapy
for the wrist and look forward to being back in action as soon as possible."
was not replaced in the field.
Chris Perry also withdrew
Thursday because of a stomach ailment. Perry's spot was not filled because none
of the 10 alternates were at the Stadium Course to take his 7 a.m. starting time.
By rule, all 10 were disqualified and unable to replace anyone else who backed
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We at Fence love Radiohead, and so jumped at the chance to buy their newest album (I'm so old I call it an "album") at the price of our choosing. One of us paid $1 for it; another of us paid $17 for it; these seemed like fair prices. We have heard some paid two months' salary.
And now we're offering a similar opportunity for you to choose your own price for subscribing to Fence (or re-upping your current subscription). It's very important to us that Fence have readers--that the work inside Fence have readers, really--and so we want you to pay us whatever you want for your year's subscription.
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This came across in a listserv from Fence. I think it's an interesting idea, especially for lit mags struggling for readers and funding.
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- chiefbiscuit said...
Interesting .... I think it was the Canadian musician Jane Siberry (who now goes under a different name I believe) who actually started this whole 'pay me what you think I'm worth' idea. Or maybe she got the idea from Radiohead? ... I do know Siberry started doing it about two years ago.
Maybe it will become the new commerce. I wonder if it would pay off? Or just be a big rip off for the buyers?
- January said...
Well, journals need readers no matter what. And even if this is a publicity stunt, they will get new readers. So if it works, the pay-what-you-want system could be a new industry standard.
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HAD an important dinner, stayed at work late or filled in for your friend's basketball side on Monday night and missed the AFL television smorgasbord?
No stress, we've got you covered.
The four shows wrapped up an action-packed weekend of footy, with Brian Lake, Gary Ablett and Sydney dominating the agendas of the respective shows.
TOP of the agenda was Brian Lake's sleeper-hold on Drew Petrie, which has been referred directly to the AFL tribunal on Monday night because it doesn't fit into any MRP category.
Numerous commentators over the weekend labelled the incident "poor" and unacceptable, while others said it was "uncomfortable to watch".
"He (Lake) lost control, he shouldn't have lost control. It was a shocking look, especially if Petrie lost the ability to breathe in a panic situation," Mark Robinson said.
"But I'm not going to make judgments. When you've got fingers around your eyes, it's unsettling. Compared to yesterday (Sunday), there's a little bit more understanding from me today.
"Hawthorn will be arguing that there was provocation. I still think he'll be suspended, but instead of four to five weeks, three to four weeks, maybe three."
THAT shoulder injury to Gold Coast skipper Gary Ablett was also a hot topic.
Ablett had scans on Monday, which revealed no bone damage which is positive. However Ablett flew down to Melbourne later that night for a second opinion on the next step.
Whateley sympathised with Ablett, who gave little away to persistent media packs at both Gold Coast and Melbourne airports.
"Everyone's desperate for an answer that's not quite there yet," Whateley said.
"I can understand his awkwardness today. He's more desperate to know the diagnosis than what we are.
"Unless there's an absolute surprise when he sees (surgeon) Greg Hoy (on Tuesday), I'm confident he'll be playing by the end of the home and away season."
DESPITE Ablett's injury, the Suns-Magpies clash lived up to all expectations, with the brave Suns winning by five points at a sold-out Metricon Stadium.
Robinson said it was one of the "more glorious games" he'd seen in recent years.
"Anyone who loves footy, you watched that game and every possession in the second half, you felt as if it contributed to the result. You watched all those young boys, who are becoming men, stand up. They were exhausted but kept running," he said.
"As the game wound down, I was watching it and saying to myself 'hang in there, hang in there'. It was the kind of game where players walk off the ground and say 'we did it'. You remember a win like that for a long time."
Whateley added it was the perfect "dress rehearsal" for the Suns before they potentially take part in a finals series.
THE panel also had a look at the teams currently occupying the top 10 spots on the ladder and the run home for some of them.
Whateley said Sydney, who is now on top of the ladder, had found its "rightful place". Robinson added that Sydney was now the "big favourites" to win the flag.
However there was not as much optimism for Hawthorn, following its loss to North Melbourne.
"How much can the Hawks endure? They can't get the (injury) cycle to stop," Whateley said.
"I feel Hawthorn are very vulnerable at the moment. The next seven weeks are all finals for them."
Robinson added that the Hawks were "unsettled" against North Melbourne and were "so un-Hawthorn-like".
As exciting as Gold Coast was, Robinson couldn't hide his disappointment for Collingwood's performance.
"Collingwood was outrun by a team that had four players on the bench in the final quarter. It lacked leadership. Where was Scott Pendlebury in the final quarter?" he said.
"They didn't have the willpower and kill to get up in the fight and say 'we're not going to lose this'. If Collingwood wants to be a contender this year, they had to win that game and they lost.
And what's up with Dane Swan?
"He can't run at the moment. He doesn't seem to have that urgency."
Sydney Swans Press Conference9:41
John Longmire says the Swans win over West Coast was pleasing to see after a hard third quarter
Whateley made note of Essendon's defensive pressure. The Bombers laid 94 tackles — most importantly every tackle stuck in the dying minutes according to Whateley — and restricted Port Adelaide to seven goals for the entire match.
"We did tackle well on the night. We've been doing a lot of that over the past six weeks. It takes time for it all to come together, but it did on Saturday night," Thompson said.
Roos, well renowned for his defensive emphasis, praised the Bombers' victory.
"You can't win without them (tackles). If you keep teams to low scores, it keeps you in games," he said.
"Everyone focuses on how great those Brisbane and Geelong teams were offensively, but they were great defensive teams."
THE ongoing confusion around the holding the ball interpretation was reignited on the weekend, when Port's Angus Monfries incorrectly disposed of the footy upon being tackled at a crucial stage of the Power-Bombers game.
Despite taking four steps and failing to kick the ball, the umpire called play on.
"That should have been gold standard for holding the ball. But because of the philosophical shift in the way holding the ball is being used to try and reduce stoppages, a whole layer of complexity has been added to a very straightforward decision," Whateley said.
Roos agreed: "That's a free kick every day of the week."
The Dees coach also revealed the Laws of the Game committee recently stated that when you elect to handball, you only have two steps before you have to dispose, but when you elect to kick, you have four.
"I don't understand that logic. Isn't that part of being a footballer — making the decision?" a puzzled Roos said.
Whateley said not that long ago, if a player was caught in open play and was tackled and dispossessed, that was the quintessential holding the ball scenario. Not anymore.
"As soon as you put all the other layers in it because we want to use holding the ball to limit stoppages, it actually effects what holding the ball is supposed to be," he said.
"It's for the player on the run, a tackler gets him and the whole crowd screams 'ball'!"
Roos added: "We're all confused. All these rules that are coming in are creating pandemonium."
THOMPSON was also quizzed about the one-week ban — reduced from two — offered to Brendon Goddard for his off-ball bump on Port Adelaide's Kane Cornes.
The Bombers will consider challenging the MRP's verdict, which was assessed as intentional, low impact and to-the-body contact, at the tribunal on Tuesday.
Roos was confused by the punishment, but had some advice for his fellow coach.
"The problem is you can't go to the tribunal because you're risking two weeks," Roos said.
ROOS was very impressed by Fremantle, which defeated the Demons by 63 points in Darwin.
"If you want to beat them, you've got to be prepared to play minute-by-minute. They give you very few looks, so you've got to take your chances," he said.
"It's a great experience to play against them. You've got to tell your players, 'guys you've got to grow up today'.
"We haven't played Geelong or Hawthorn yet, but Fremantle is up there (premiership favourites)."
AND Clinton Young's dropped mark in the dying stages of the Suns-Magpies clash?
"It's not like he ducked his head or didn't go hard at the ball. It was probably more of a case of concentration on kicking the goal rather than taking the mark. There's nothing you can do about that," Roos said.
AT the top of the show, host Gerard Healy asked respected journalist Mike Sheahan to associate each of the top 10 teams with an adjective.
Here's what Sheahan came up with …
Sydney: Soaring
Hawthorn: Wobbly and worrying
Port Adelaide: Stumbling
Fremantle: Building and looming
Geelong: Jury is still out
Collingwood: Shaky
North Melbourne: Coming
Gold Coast: Depends … on Gaz
Adelaide: Emerging and best challenger
Essendon: Enigmatic
THE panel stayed with Hawthorn, focusing on whether it has what it takes to make another assault at a flag.
Legendary Hawks forward Jason Dunstall said he isn't pessimistic about his former club, but admitted there is "genuine concern there."
"They're not travelling the way they'd like to be. But it's a great challenge that faces them now," he said.
"This could either be a year that goes horribly wrong, or could perhaps be the most successful season in the history of the club.
"People talk about getting players back, but you also need match fitness. You can't rest players when you need to hang on for a top four spot.
"They were in a much better position last year."
Dunstall said Hawks coach Alastair Clarkson would have not only been disappointed by his side's overall lack of discipline against North Melbourne, but by the specific players who showed ill-discipline.
"The experienced players were the guilty ones. We know about Brian Lake, but 'Hodgey' (Luke Hodge) went over the top, (Ben) Stratton gave away silly free kicks, so did Jordan Lewis. These players lead from the front, but if they do stuff like that, it makes it difficult for young players to follow them," he said.
And Lake's punishment?
"My gut feeling is he'll end up with three (weeks)," Sheahan said.
Dunstall was a little more optimistic, saying he'd be surprised if Lake copped more than one week.
"It's mass hysteria. It wasn't that bad. Petrie got up straight away and took mark of the year a few minutes later," Dunstall said.
HAWTHORN'S opponent, North Melbourne, was next on the agenda.
When the Roos have won this season, they have spent 71 per cent of the game in front on the scoreboard. When they have lost, they have only been in front seven per cent of the time.
While Dunstall admitted there is a "massive disparity" between North's best and worst, no one can afford to underestimate them.
"They've got a fantastic run going home. They can finish top four. And if they finish top four, they're a genuine chance," he said.
But what about that inconsistency?
"It has to be above shoulders," Dunstall retorted.
SYDNEY, which now sits on top of the AFL ladder, is now clearly the best team in the competition, according to Sheahan and Dunstall.
"Their form has been impeccable since Round 4. They've got so many guns in that side. They've been very good over the years at keeping the balance (between recruiting experienced and young players) right," Sheahan said.
Dunstall added: "They're the best team in the competition, not by a small margin, but by a big margin."
Healy heaped praised on 21-year-old sensation Luke Parker, saying he is turning into "one of the best players in the competition".
PORT Adelaide veteran Kane Cornes was the show's special guest, fresh off Port's third loss in four weeks.
The midfielder admitted the Power, who have performed below par over the past fortnight, have "got some work to do to get things back on track".
"Our goalkicking has let us down and cost us a couple of games and we haven't brought that frenetic intensity that we had at the start of the year. It's something we need to address and get right," he said.
Port is one of the fittest teams in the competition, but Cornes admitted his side has been found out in recent weeks.
"Teams have come after us, pressured us and we haven't coped with that. We're aware of it, but we need to get back to playing attacking footy," he said.
Cornes reflected on 2011, a season that saw him dramatically drop off in form, to the point where he was playing for North Adelaide's reserves side in the SANFL.
He thought he was "100 per cent gone" from Port Adelaide's list, but chief executive Keith Thomas sat the veteran down and assured him of his place at the club.
Cornes said the wake-up call was the "best thing that could've happened" to him.
"At the time I was angry, but I knuckled down and addressed the areas I needed to work on," he said.
Cornes stopped short of talking up the potential of the current Power playing group, but said there is some "serious talent" on the list.
"It's as driven a group as I've ever seen. They're really well lead by Travis Boak and the young players are really driven by success," he said.
On whether Angus Monfries should have been pinged for holding the ball in the dying minutes against Essendon, Cornes said: "Clearly that one was holding the ball.
"We need to get back to rewarding the tackler. It's such an underrated skill. It'll also clear up congestion and will clear the play up.
AFTER the break, James Frawley's future was on the menu.
The utility has still not put pen to paper with the Demons, with other top-four clubs sure to circle the free agent.
Sheahan said Sydney could be in the box seat to recruit the talented Demon.
"Tom Mitchell used to live with (Melbourne coach Paul) Roos and he can't get a game with the Swans at the moment. Could the Dees do an exchange with Frawley?" Sheahan posed.
Healy said the Swans would tread carefully with Mitchell, who was being "eulogised as one of the great up and coming midfielders" 12 months ago.
THE panel then discussed Western Bulldogs coach Brendan McCartney's treatment of talented young midfielder Jackson Macrae.
McCartney admitted Macrae was "lucky to stay in the side" after poor showings in recent weeks, starting him as the substitute for the Dogs' game with Geelong on Sunday.
Healy said it was a "stingy lesson" for Macrae, but one that Dunstall admired.
"I love the message. Obviously Brendan's frustrated as it's been happening for a few weeks and he wanted to make a stand."
NORTH Melbourne coach Brad Scott joined Cameron Ling, Wayne Carey and Tim Watson on the show.
Scott revealed the Kangaroos would appeal Drew Petrie's 93.75 carry-over point penalty for unnecessary contact on Hawthorn's Brian Lake
"The word flabbergasted comes to mind," Scott said.
"The charge is unreasonable and unnecessary contact, so I would ask any reasonable person what they would do in that situation. Perhaps write Brian Lake an email.
"He (Petrie) couldn't see, he couldn't breathe and he couldn't talk, so I'm not sure what else he was meant to do."
THE attention turned to on-field matters, where his inconsistent Roos continue to frustrate AFL tipsters with their fluctuating form.
"I think we've shown for most of the year that when we get our act together and play our football, we can compete with the best," Scott said.
"We talk about consistency across games and we look more closely at consistency across quarters. We're still a work in progress and the evidence of that is very clear."
CAREY believed it is possible for Lake to avoid suspension at the AFL Tribunal on Tuesday night.
"I would have thought if the pressure was that great, he would have fought back. I think that is in (Lake's) favour," he said.
"On precedent ... he'd probably only get a fine.
"I think (Hawthorn) were more disappointed in the way he played after that. He got thrashed."
Ling added: "I think he'll sit out one week. Just to say to everyone else, 'nup'."
THE Lake-Petrie scuffle again led the agenda, with Caroline Wilson anticipating a "really dramatic night" at the tribunal on Tuesday.
Essendon champion Matthew Lloyd was impressed by the strong responses from coach Alastair Clarkson and leaders Luke Hodge and Jordan Lewis in the media.
"That's why they're a fantastic football club, because they don't accept mediocrity."
All panel members predicted Lake would miss somewhere between four and six weeks.
However the panel focused more on Petrie's post-match reaction on radio and television, where he laughed off the incident.
"Drew is too honest for his own good. You've got a responsibly to the look of the game. He shouldn't have made a joke of it and played it down," Wilson said.
Host Gary Lyon said Petrie should've said the incident will be looked at in due course.
"It was flippant and took the players' code too far," Lyon said.
Craig Hutchison said Petrie's performances were "noble, yet ill-sighted," while Lloyd said Petrie was "doing what 99 per cent of players would've done".
LLOYD encouraged the Gold Coast Suns not to rush their star skipper Gary Ablett back from a shoulder injury.
"I wouldn't be the rolling dice. This is the best player in the game," he said.
"Looking at their draw, they can win the next four games without Gaz, so put him in for surgery now. I don't think you harm Gary Ablett for the sake of potentially winning a final."
Lloyd was full of praise for No. 1 pick David Swallow, who was arguably the best player on the ground against Collingwood on Saturday night.
"In Ablett's absence, he (Swallow) stood up. He had great support, but I thought it was the defining game of his career," he said.
"He could be close to one of the top 10 midfielders in the game."
THE off-field dramas surrounding Essendon were only raised on Footy Classified on Monday night.
Wilson said coach Mark Thompson had "had a bad week" in the media when discussing the continuing supplements saga.
Thompson said last week that medical experts had told his players they didn't face health risks, despite video emerging of the AFL's chief medico, Dr Peter Harcourt, claiming Bombers players would be monitored for "potential hormonal issues or cancer".
"Those ridiculous comments (by Thompson) about anti-cancer drugs only muddied the waters even more. It was one of the more laughable statements made in this ugly affair," Wilson said.
"They (Essendon) were told last year that there could be long-term health risks. That is a fact. And when 'Bomber' says what he said, it's just a horrible situation."
ST KILDA'S on-field problems were discussed in-depth.
The Saints haven't scored over 100 points in any game so far this season. And it doesn't look like they'll be reaching that mark anytime soon.
"You cannot make a case for them to win another game for the rest of the season," Hutchison said.
"They haven't hit rock bottom yet, so they fully expect to win wooden spoon again next year."
Looking at how they played and used the footy, Lloyd said Alan Richardson's men had hit "new lows" on the weekend.
"There aren't a lot of players coming through, which is a real worry for them," he said.
"They are now paying the price for some poor decisions in the past and players who didn't make it."
St Kilda Press Conference10:35
Alan Richardson faces the press after a terrible night out for the Saints
RICHMOND enigma Tyrone Vickey produced arguably his finest game for the club against Brisbane, booting four crucial goals.
When Wilson suggested Vickery could be useful trade bait for the Tigers come October, Lloyd said it would be wise to hold onto him.
"I wouldn't trade him. It's the best game he's ever played. I saw him compete like he's never competed before," he said.
"They've spent so long on him, so I'd give him a little bit more time."
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Story : At the peak of her international career, Maria Enders is asked to perform in a revival of the play that made her famous twenty years ago. But back then she played the role of Sigrid, an alluring young girl who disarms and eventually drives her boss Helena to suicide. Now she is being asked to step into the other role, that of the older Helena. She departs with her assistant to rehearse in Sils Maria; a remote region of the Alps. A young Hollywood starlet with a penchant for scandal is to take on the role of Sigrid, and Maria finds herself on the other side of the mirror, face to face with an ambiguously charming woman who is, in essence, an unsettling reflection of herself.
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