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Grammar Mishaps: I vs. Me
When do you use "I" and when do you use "me"?
Examples of the correct use of "I"
- Georgia and I went to the beach this weekend.
By removing the other noun, it becomes "I went to the beach this weekend." "Me went to the beach this weekend" doesn't make sense.
- She and I have to make a cake.
"I have to make a cake." "She has to make a cake." "Her has to make a cake" and "Me has to make a cake" do not make sense.
Examples of the correct use of "me"
- Please come with Julia and me to the park.
Removing Julia make this: "Please come with me to the park." "Please come with I to the park" doesn't make sense.
- I heard the teacher talking about him and me.
"I heard the teacher talking about me" and "I heard the teacher talking about him." "I heard the teacher talking about I," or "I heard the teacher talking about he" doesn't make sense.
The Definitive Guide to Grammar: Strunk and White
This is one of the best books on grammar available. If you are a grammarian, you should definitely think about reading it.
Thoughts, Comments or Questions?
Robin, thank you so much. Actually I already put "I" rather than "me" but someone commented on my grammar and got me confused. But now I'm confident with my answer :)
what do you think is right? "He's way more taller than I" or "He's way more taller than me"
Helpful hub. Many people struggle with grammar.
which is correct
She likes pineapple more than him.
She likes pineapple more than he.
Simple Rule 1:
Remove other people from the sentence - whichever is correct in that sentence is also correct when using multiple subjects. It's also polite and therefore proper to put yourself after others in a multi-subject sentence.
Simple Rule 2:
In situations where "she" or "he" would be correct, "I" would be correct.
In situations where "her" or "him" would be correct, "me" would be correct.
Re: Depak Dalhan- it is My friend and I were not going to the market.
Which one is correct? "My sister is braver than I" or "My sister is braver than me"?
I didn't read every post here, but enough of them that I wanted to chime in.
The justification for using a particular form of a pronoun should be pure grammar, not whether it "sounds right" or "makes sense." With the way so many people speak today, one almost can no longer trust whether something sounds right. "I," "she," and "he" are examples of the nominative (subjective) forms of the pronoun, whereas "me," "her," and "him" are the accusative (objective) forms. One needs to learn where and why these forms are correctly used; then there is no question.
The accusative is used as the object or indirect object of a verb, the object of a preposition (such as "with" or "for" or "by"), etc. The nominative is used as the subject of a sentence or clause, for example. Then there are verbs like "to be" which can be followed by a pronoun ("it is I"), but that pronoun is not the object of the verb and should be in the nominative case. (Here it is a predicate pronoun following a linking verb, where the predicate renames the subject.)
These are just a few examples. My point is that to be sure we have our grammar correct we have to actually learn the rules of grammar because we were probably never taught them properly (or at all) in school!
On the other hand, in Wikipedia we find an interesting article
"While no strong arguments other than widespread acceptance are made for the use of colloquial "it is me" ("it is him", "he is taller than him", etc) in written speech in Joseph Crayton's works, other grammarians, among whom were Baker (1770), Campbell (1776), and Lindley Murray (1795), give the reason why the first person pronoun must be "I" rather than "me": it is a nominative that is equivalent to the subject, and as such they prove that it must always be in the nominative (subjective) case. These three partisans of the nominative case, Baker, Campbell, and Murray, were the commentators whose preachments were accepted as gospel by the schoolmasters.[2]
Joseph Priestley justified the colloquial usage on the grounds of good writers using it often:
All our grammarians say, that the nominative cases pronouns ought to follow the verb substantive as well as precede it; yet any familiar forms of speech, and example of some of our best writers, would lead us to make a contrary rule; or, at least, would leave us at liberty to adopt which we liked best.[3]
It can be inferred that the colloquial preference for "it is me" could be receiving such widespread use due to rejecting the model of Latin, where the complement of the copula is in the nominative case."
So, 'He is taller than me' or 'It's me' are incorrect sentences, but the evil is so widespread that it almost justifies this misuse. As for me, from now on I'll use the correct variant (it sounds more natural for me, because my native language is Russian).
In many comments here it was stated that sentences like "He is taller than me" are incorrect. However, in Raymond Murphy's 'English Grammar in Use' we can see the following:
"We usually say
You are taller than me. (not 'than I')
After 'than/as' it is more usual to say 'me/him/her/them/us' when there is no verb. Compare:
You are taller than I am.
You are taller than me.
They have more money than we have.
They have more money than us.
I can't run as fast as he can.
I can't run as fast as him."
Stacie, you are unfortunately correct in saying "who really cares"? I am disgusted at the lack of caring about our language. What you don't seem to realize is, what comes out of your mouth is a direct reflection of your education,intelligence and class. How can people not care that they might sound like an uneducated idiot? A while ago I heard someone on TV say "I'm so excited about JACK AND I'S baby coming !! My head almost exploded !! I have recently heard this same phrase two other times, so would Robin please address this and provide the correct way of phrasing? Would it be right to say JACK'S AND MY BABY, or just our baby? Thank you !!
When it's all said and done, who really cares? Years ago everyone worried about correct grammar. In this day of age, I'm sure half of society does not speak properly! Adios!
Please help, which is correct:
My friend and I was not going to market.
me and my friend was not going to market.
I and my friend was not going to market.
What does this rule mean?
"While comparing two persons, the pronoun used later will be the same as the subject."
Its example is: She is wiser than I am.
Please explain the rule.
Jayja: Second one. Remove the 'Sean and' from both versions and which one sounds correct?
Hi - which is correct, Sean and me will come to the office tomorrow, or Sean and I will come to office tomorrow?
I have read emails stating, "Please contact John or myself." Is this correct?
i have a confusion. Can you clear it to me. What is the mistake in below sentence
He did not ever tell me about him
Please correct me
Does one say 'only I' or 'only me'?
hey! i had a question about whether i'm supposed to say "she looks like me" or "she looks like i." i was taught that it was "me," but then i thought about the verb "do" being implied. can you please explain? thank you!
Sunny, I think it should read "Sam and me" because if you took "Sam" out, then the sentence would reaad "with me", not "with I"
Hope it helps.
James Smith, son of Bill Smith, with Sam and I in Atlanta at the movie.
Is this correct?
What about a sentence like "John and I are going to the airport"
Me are going...
I are going...?
I just heard President Obama say, "If it was me, I would have resigned."
Now, I know that is subjunctive case (An if statement), so I know he SHOULD have said, "If it were me . . ."
What I am unsure of, is if the pronoun "me" should have been "I." So should he have said, "If it were I, I would have resigned." Or should it have been (which sounds better to me): "If it were me, I would have resigned."
Just an FYI- As I was reading many of your entries it kept striking my attention that many of you need to brush up on proper comma and quotation usage.
Commas with Quotations
Commas are used to set off the "he said/she said" clause. The comma always goes before the quotation marks.
Incorrect: Henrietta asked "Do you want to go with me?"
(Comma must set off "she said" clause.)
Incorrect: Henrietta asked",Do you want to go with me?"
(Comma must go before quotation mark.)
Correct: Henrietta asked,"Do you want to go with me?"
Incorrect: "I will go with you",Jane replied.
(Comma must go before quotation mark.)
Correct: "I will go with you,"Jane replied.
Correct: "Anyway," she said, "I have to go."
(Note the pattern when the clause is in the middle.)
A comma is not used to set off a "he said/she said" clause if the part of the quotation preceding the clause ends with a question mark or exclamation point.
Incorrect: "Why did you do that?," he asked.
(Comma not necessary)
Correct: "Why did you do that?" he asked.
Correct: "Hey!" he screamed. "Come back here!"
(Note that the question mark or exclamation point goes with the quotation, not with the "he said/she said" clause.)
Elizabeth J. said:
'This is a question about using I or me. In this passage, "and so we cuddled, my kitten and I.", is "I" correct?'
I am British but in regards to the question, I don't think the grammar would be different here in this case.
As the extract is not a complete sentence it is hard to answer with complete certainty but the correct form would be "my kitten and I". I think I am right in my deductions; "my kitten and I" is a clause which looks passive as it comes at the end of the sentence, but is in fact active – it is just that it has been displaced to the end of the sentence to connote an afterthought or to foreground the kitten and person scene. The subject is "we", or rather (specifically) "kitten and I". One way to be able to see this as correct is to rearrange the sentence in a simpler form, i.e.: "My kitten and I cuddled [each other]". Using the rule Robin pointed out, we remove "my kitten and" and we get "I cuddled..." rather than the incorrect "Me cuddled...". I hope this wasn't too difficult to understand and I hope it helps.
In answer to a question: "In the drawer unit behind Keith and I."
Is that correct? A particular pedant informs me that it isn't, but I don't at this stage agree. Thoughts welcome!
Okay, what about in the sentence: "It took my friend and I a lot of time to build our tree house."
Would it be corrcet to say, "my friend and me", since you'd say "it took me a lot of time..."?
I was showing a class picture to my son, pointed myself out and said, "Here is me." Should I have said, "Here am I?" Would "This is me" have been correct?
to clarify,
I can Haz cheezbugrer, not
Me Haz cheezbuger... can. ^_^
Just got some wingstop for Kevin and I. ? Mmmmmmm
Is this the correct way to write that ???
Because it seems to me that it should read like this..
Just got some wingstop for Kevin and myself.
Don: According to the possessive rule, yes, "my wife's and my flight" is correct if you really need to differentiate between your flight and someone else's. "Jim and his brother are flying in early, but my wife's and my flight arrives at noon." Otherwise, you'd probably just say "our flight."
Thanks - that clears things up. Also, is this correct: my wife's and my flight arrives at noon?
In the arriving flight example, I was taught that both (or all) names in a construction like this one should be possessive: Lauren's and my flight.. You wouldn't say "Lauren flight," you'd say "Lauren's flight.
To Don:
Lauren and my flight arrives at noon. Consider this, if Lauren were not flying with you, wouldn't you simply say, "My flight arrives at noon"?
My sister, God bless her, made a wonderful Thanksgiving dinner. At dinner, she corrected my eight year old's usage of the pronoun "me", but unfortunately, my sister's correction was incorrect. My daughter's usage of the pronoun 'me' as the object of the verb was correct. My niece's boyfriend, mumbled that my daughter was right, but neither of us spoke up, lest we ruin our Thanksgiving dinner in telling her that her correction of the eight year old was incorrect.
Funny, isn't it?
How should I say, Lauren and I's flight arrives at noon? Is it, me and Lauren's flight arrives at noon?
I even hear news commentators say atrocious things like "for John and I"...it comes from a false sense of elegance. Americans trying to sound smart and just being fools...as usual. And I"m an American.
Me, Sam, Betty, and Todd went to the party or Sam, Betty, odd, and I went to the party.
OK, I know I vs. me, but I want to know what "the book" says about placing yourself last in a list. As in, "George and I went to the store," or "This house belongs to Jill and me." I know those are both correct. What I want to know is, is it a RULE that says you must place yourself last in the list, or is it etiquette that says so? Would it be incorrect to say "This house belongs to me and Jill"? Does it have to be "This house belongs to Jill and me"?
should one use I or me in the following sentence?
"John can run faster than I."
I read all the comments, and I'm still not sure. If you are posting a picture on Facebook, should you use "my sister and me" or my sister and I" as a caption. Thank you.
What is with people using "goes" as a replacement for "said or says" as:
My mom goes, "Come home early."
I go, "Why can't I stay out later than 11:00?"
She goes, "Because I worry when you're out late.
I go, "Well don't worry."
So I went, "Well, then can I leave early?"
She went, "Yes, that is o.k."
I went, "Thank you."
All info. helpful. I need to know when using a sentence like the following should it be me or myself.
Because of this, Ann, Emily, Cande, and myself/me just wanted to give back to two deserving people.
"Where was I?"
Can you explain the gramatical aspects of this sentence?
THANK YOU! This has become one of my biggest pet peeves on the internet - Facebook in particular. You explained it well and I linked you for the edification of my family and friends. Basically, if you take everyone out of the sentence with the exception of yourself and it doesn't sound right, it isn't.
would you say, that is a picture of sam and i
or a picture of sam and me?
this is very helpful. Thanks a lot!
why are we using somewhere I and somewhere I am? what is thegrammar of this usage?plz xplain
Thanks a lot for the clear up.
Use "I." "Aiden and I" is a plural subject requiring the plural verb, "are."
What about in an "are" sentence. For example, "Aiden and I are wearing matching shirts," versus, "Aiden and me are wearing matching shirts."
Please.... when posting a picture on facebook.... Should you write: "John and Me" or John and I?"
Could you please help with this inviation sentence:
"You're invited to come to a house party for my new roommate and I."
Is it "I" or "me" at the closure of said sentence. Many, many thanks.
Thanks for clearing that up!
I had this argument with a friend today so i thought i'd look it up to be sure, it seems i'm right.
To Revell, I would say 'Julian and Me' is correct. I think of it along the lines of if you remove 'Julian' what would you write. 'I' wouldn't make sense but 'Me' would.
Personally i don't really care when people say or write 'me' when it should be 'I' but it does bother me when people use 'I' incorrectly as it just sounds pretentious and actually makes you sound stupid. Just an opinion of 'I' of course.
When adding information to a picture you've posted, is it correct to say "Julian and I" or "Julian and me" as the subjects of the picture.
this is really smart half of the time but this is so stupid u need to use more example because some people do have homework to do lady or who eva made dis web site :(
He became just as excited as I.
He became just as excited as me.
"Barbie is prettier than me" is incorrect. Complete the sentence by saying, "Barbie is prettier than I am." You wouldn't say, "Barbie is prettier than me am."
I took a grammar quiz on here, and got this wrong'
"Barbie is prettier than me." (incorrect) but I dont know why. The replace test doesn't work in this example. It sounds correct to me.
So explain what would be used correctly..
Most of my daughters gifts came from my mother and I.
Most of my daughters gifts came from my mother and me.
Jessica, reading through the previous comments, It does not seem to me that you have the same question as Karen.
"They cannot all be like me." [object vs subject]
"Jamie is a hardworking student, just like you and I (are)."
I have the same question as Karen.
My sentence is:
Jamie is a hardworking student, just like you and (me or I).
Which is correct?
"They cannot all be like me"
"They cannot all be like I"
Your conclusion is correct, but how you came to it is flawed. "It is me" is not correct. If the pronoun follows a linking verb (am, is, are, was, were, be, been, being), it should be a subject verb. If someone calls and asks for you by name, you would say, "This is he," not, "This is him." Likewise, "It is I," or, "This is I" are correct. Therefore, because photo captions are not complete sentences, the question you should ask is what sentence is being implied. One choice is, "This is Bob and I." From this, using "Bob and I" for the caption would be valid. However, a more complete sentence would be, "This is a picture of Bob and me." So, I think "Bob and me" would be more appropriate.
"Let" is an action verb. You would use "me" over "I." It should be easy to tell if you take out Bob. You wouldn't say, "Let I know." You would say, "Let me know." And as long as we're talking about grammar, you should have written "sent to us" instead of "send to us," although I'm sure that was just a typo. I would have typed, "It's should" if I hadn't double checked.
My coworkers and I have a question from an email send to us. At the end of her email, my boss wrote, "If you have any questions or concerns, please let either Bob or I know." Is this correct? I think it should be "let either Bob or me know." I have been looking everywhere for the answer to this, and I can't find it. Can anyone help?
use of I and me ...I is after a noun and me is after a verb?? thanks
Which sentence would be correct: "My Mom and I at my graduation." "My Mom and me at my graduation."? I would think it was "I".
For picture posting:
Who is in the picture? (I am. Or me.) This is a bad example :), but since you choose to only label names and include "I" or "me", you should use "me".
I'd say, finish this sentence: "Point [your finger] to/at ..." (Bob, Jenna, Tom, and *me*.) I'm pretty certain you'd be comfortable always finishing that sentence with "me."
If you don't agree with that line of reasoning, then consider the response to someone looking at your photo and asking, "Who is that person?" "Oh, that is me."
Wiggle room caveat:
If you consider that you'll actually be describing the picture in the comment, it may be appropriate to say, "Bob, Jenna, Tom, and I were at the mall." (because you would appropriately say "I was at the mall.") or "Bob, Jenna, Tom, and me at the mall." (because you would appropriately say "[That's] me at the mall.")
I also have the same question. When putting a caption to a a photo, is it "Pete and me" or "Pete and I"? Thanks!
What if you are capturing a picture? Should it be "Name" and I? Or "Name" and Me?
What about a sentence like, "Kelli and I's beds for the weekend were in the living room." I know this is not correct. Would it be "Kelli's and my beds" or "Mine and Kelli's beds..."?
What about this one?
- Now, it is me who apologizes...
- Now it is I who apologizes...
"The book interested you more than me" is correct.
"The book interested I" -> WRONG
"The book interested me" -> CORRECT
Therefore, usage of "me" is correct.
I suggest everyone to take a look at this website to get a clearer understanding of "I" and "me". Its simple and easy to understand, while this website's explanation is rather wordy.
I encountered a question in a test that's been bothering me: Which is grammatically correct, The book interested you more than I, or the book interested you more than me?
re: the question (see above) over the lyric "Don'tcha wish your girlfriend was hot like me?"
You agreed with the comment that the usage was incorrect and should have been "hot like I", noting that "I" would be the proper usage in the implied statement "I am hot". However, given that the noun "me", as used in the lyric, is the object of the preposition "like", isn't the sentence grammatically correct as stated? In essence, shouldn't the express use of the pronoun as the object of "like" take precedence over the implied use of the pronoun as the subject of "am"?
This also raises the question of whether and when it is ever appropriate to base I/me pronoun selection on implied grammatic structure?
It's amazing how many people get this wrong. It's especially annoying when I hear it from people you'd expect to know better, like corporate executives. Here's my question. Would you say, "If you think they'll need help, so will Jen and I", or "If you think they'll need help, so will Jen and me." My instinct tells me the first one is correct but MS Word's grammar checker does not think so.
what is the correct usage, "say me" or "say to me"?
It depends on how you are using the word "than". If you are using it as a preposition, then you would use "me", because it is the object of the preposition.
But if you are using it as a conjuntion (subject), you would use "I", as in "My son is taller than I [am]".
So both are correct, IMHO.
great site. You'd think I got it by now. I think, 'It is I, who checked in' rather than 'it is me who checked in'.
I always see another use (even in the newspaper), which I think is incorrect, but am not sure. I also saw it in the dialogue above.
When do you use who or that. I think it surely wasn't I THAT checked in. Isn't a person always a who?
Thanks for the hep
I am unable to find a reference explaining the case of the object of a verb used in the subjunctive mood, e.g., "If it were me...". Ordinarily any form of the verb 'to be' takes the nominitive case, e.g., "It is I" where I is the predicate nominative, but I think the use of subjunctive mood changes the rule. Do you have a reference for the use of subjunctive mood?
That's a great little tip about removing one of the subjects and seeing if the sentence still works.
In the following sentence, I know that "I" should be used instead of "me." But I can't figure out why! Can anyone help me by explaining this rule?
"My son, who is a star basketball player, is much taller than me"
The way I see it, "My son" is the subject; so why would "me" have to be changed to the subjective form "I"?
I just found this bit of information out, actually: if the pronoun comes right after a linking verb, such as 'is', then you would use 'I'. "It is I," "it is she," etc. It would even be "it is they," which actually makes me a little mad, haha.
This drives me nuts.. i want to know if its correct when people post pictures of themselves online and they put " Lindsey and I " or "Jake and I" is this correct? it sounds stupid but i dont know if its the correct grammar or not and it's a major pet peeve of mine
I think that the fact that there are so many clarifications and intelligent questions about this rule means that it truly isn't "one of the simplest grammar corrections."
Okay, but which of these would be correct? "We need more candy, Sarah and I."
Or is it, "We need more candy, Sarah and me."
I recently posted a sentence on a forum which I now realise is incorrect: "She went her way, I mine; she to NY, me to London"
But should the 2nd part read: "she to NY, I to London" or "her to NY, me to London"?
I think it might be "she/I" because of an implied "went" after both pronouns.
the object of a preposition can never be the subject of a sentence - therefore should never be "I"
example from above:
"between" is a preposition followed by a compound object of parents, sister, and me
Communication (between my parents, my younger sister, and me) became very important.
Her experiences (on plantations) provided her (with characters) who seem (as real as you and me)
Her experiences on plantations provided her with characters, who seem as real as you and me.
Should it be ........you and I?
Hello Robin I found your page through google. I must say great job. I had question to. Would the following sentence be:
Communication between my parents, my younger sisters, and I became very important.
Communication between my parents, my younger sisters, and me became very important.
Thanks for your help.
This is what I remember from grade school:
I vs. Me when used with another subject - take the other subject out of the sentence and see how it sounds. So, "Thank you for meeting with Lindsay and I" would turn into "Thank you for meeting I". Which doesn't sound right. So the correct way to say the sentence should be, "Thank you for meeting with Lindsay and me".
Question about "I" vs "Me" - I was corrected and need to know what is correct:
"Thank you for meeting with Lindsay and me."
"Thank you for meeting with Lindsay and I."
and does it matter if you put a time frame to it?
I.E. "Thank you for meeting with Lindsay and me yesterday."
This has become a family debate. Looking forward to the correct answer.
The correct form is 'John and I bought some clothes'. In this sentence 'John' and 'I' are joined subjects of the verb to buy (bought) and since the subject can never be in any other case than the nominative then 'I' is the only option here.
There seems to be a growing number that believe "I" should ALWAYS be used instead of "me". These people rudely "correct" those that actually use "me" properly! I think the confusion stems from the ettiquette of placing oneself last in a list. When children say, for instance, "me and Bubba", they are abruptly corrected, "Bubba and I". Some adults don't realize that in some cases "Bubba and me" would actually be correct. The etiquette of placing others first is often overlooked and the change from "me" to "I" becomes embedded.
Incredible website!!!
Will it be "John and I bought some clothes" or "John and me...."?
Learneds are saying that 'gotten' is no longer to be used, therefore instead of saying "I've gotten a car", you would say "I've got a car". 'Have got' is used instead of gotten. Got is the past, but the past participle is have got not have gotten.
I am reading Obama's autobiography Audacity of Hope. In it he says Michelle, his wife, "is three years younger than me". This is wrong right? How did this not get caught?
Myself should only be used once I has been used already in the sentence.
I, myself, am gay
I, me, am gay (sounds okay actually but is wrong)
He is gay for me (OK)
He is gay for I (not so)
If he were to decide to go to college, one would recommend that he plan to go to XYZ college.
In the above sentence, i have a confusion whether 'were' is to be used or 'was' is to be used with 'he' and why? Please help. Thanks
Nithu (followed by a response to Dodom's query).
I'm afraid Robin's reply to you, concerning the use of I/me in a passive voice construction, was misleading. In your example, "The meeting was convened by X, Y, and me/I" the correct form to use here is 'me' not 'I'. The subject of the sentence in the passive voice is the word 'the meeting' NOT 'I, Nancy and Ralph'. The same sentence converted in the active voice will require changes in the subject and object positions as well. Thus, in the active voice one would say 'Ralph, Nancy and I will convene the meeting', because here it is R,N, and I who are the subjects of the verb while 'the meeting' is the object. In sum, the correct passive construction is 'The meeting was convened by Ralph, Nancy and me', and the correct active voice construction is 'Ralph, Nancy and I will convene the meeting'.
In terms of formal rules of grammar either way is correct. It is simply more courteous to put the self-reference last. I would personally opt for 'My parents bought Sally and me a pappy' but 'My parents bought me and Sally a pappy' violates no grammatical rule. By all rules and standards, though, the sentence 'My parents bought Sally and I a pappy' -uttered by many overanxious speakers- would be a grammatical abomination.
I noticed that nobody answered Brianna's question -
In a situation where "me" is correct, is it incorrect to put the "me" before the other object in the sentence?
In other words, which is correct:
"My parents bought me and Sally"
"My parents bought Sally and me a puppy"
I need to know the answer to this as well. Please help?!
Is this sentence correct? "Those that have commented on the conversation between Mike and I seem to agree with Mike.
Mike, for the most part, the use of "that" and "which" is entirely up to you and how you want your writing to sound. The first question you should ask yourself is whether either of those two words is truly necessary. For example: "The plane that/which we boarded was very large." In that instance, you can use either, but you can also use neither, e.g., "The plane we boarded was very large." On the other hand, if you are trying to give a more specific description of something, "which" is more appropriate; example: "This pen, which was given to me by my father, writes flawlessly." The clause surrounded by commas in the preceding example is a nonessential clause. Those are usually introduced by "which." Whereas essential clauses are introduced by "that" and don't have commas surrounding them. However, remember that if you are talking about human beings, "that" and "which" are replaced by "who."
How do you know when to use "which" or "that"?
Most of the comments have it correctly, but the explanations are lacking in that they don't state the rule of English grammar. (I only read the first 15 or so, and if someone did actually write this, I apologize for the redundancy). The rule of English is as follows: If a pronoun follows the verb "to be" or any of its conjucated forms (am, was, were, been, etc.), it has to be a subject pronoun (I, s(he), we, they); if the pronoun follows any other verb OR a preposition (between, for, against, in, on, etc.), it is an object pronoun (me, him, her, us, them). Additionally, most comparative sentences must have a subject pronoun. So "She is taller than I" is correct, while "She is taller than me" is not. The reason for this is that neither sentence is truly complete. If it were, it would read "She is taller than I am." Completing the sentence with a verb should give you a guide as to whether you are using a correct pronoun, but most comparative phrases will use the subject pronoun. As for possessive pronouns (myself, himself, herself, etc.), they can only be used if they refer to something back in the sentence in which they are used. For example: I did it myself - "myself" refers to "I." On the other hand: "He gave the papers to John, Jane and myself" - this is incorrect, "myself" should be replaced with "me" to make the sentence proper.
Hope this helps.
Which sentence is correct? 1. "He is younger than me" or 2. "He is younger than I." Please explain why. Thanks VERY MUCH!!
How would you write,
Thank you for meeting with Sean and I and discussing the business. or
Thank you for meeting with Sean and me or Me. which is the right one?
I'm still confussed 50+ you know...
Regarding photos, how would you list a photo of people by order of appearance when you are the first person in the pic? Would it be incorrect to list it as: Me and Bob or Me, Bob, Jen and Rick?
Hey, thanks for the blog. This helps a lot!
Okay back to picture labeling... it drives me crazy how EVERYONE on myspace label pictures and they say jenna and i or whatever the persons name and i. Even though its not a complete sentence you still know they are refferring to the picture. Therefore you take out the first name and say i or me, now if you were going to label a picture of you alone would you label it i, of course not, so the same goes for labeling it jenna and i. It is clear to me that it should be jenna and me. I hope i am making sense! the point you are trying to get across when only putting jenna and me is that this is a picture of and the names of the people in the picture, so would you say this is a picture of i or would you say this is a picture of me. Obviously the correct way to go would be "ME". It is really hard to explain this kind of thing. This Robin chick has it down pat, so im going to stick with what she says is right.
Hi Robin
Your knowledge is very much helpful in buiding grammar. Thanks for this. I have a statement, if you can help me getting the correct one:-
"Paritosh is as old as I"or should it be "Paritosh is as old as me"
My grandson and I are having a discussion about the word "me". Which is correct when asked "Who is playing?" Answer "me" or "I".
Thank you.
sometimes it sounds sweet to use "me" instead of "i" which sounds so formal.. like:
Gina and I have to dance.
Me and Gina have to dance. (wrong but.. sweeter)
What if, say on something like Facebook, you're labeling your pictures and all you want is to get the point across that it is you and your friend (nothing extra). Which is correct: (ex. using a name)
Michelle and I
Michelle and me
In a situation where "me" is correct, is it incorrect to put the "me" before the other object in the sentence?
In other words, which is correct:
"My parents bought me and Sally"
"My parents bought Sally and me a puppy"
Could someone help me. is "James, Pip and I" or "James, Pip and me" correct?
hey, so if im like toking to like my boyfriend, should i say like "dont be sillie like me," or "dont be sillie like i" -- i like dont no the diferrance here!!
grammer emergancy needing to be solvd~!!!lol
i have a close friend flying in to spend the weekend with me.
the guy in the picture is i.
yo robin, may i also ask for a tip on how to use "have to" and "had to". thanks, OSCAR
Hello Robin. This is a very useful site. My question is about the following sentence:
I have a close friend flying in to spend the weekend with the family and I.
A colleague at work corrected me pointing out that it should be "with the family and me". I understand the object rule, but this just sounds akward. Is my construction unequivocally wrong, or may use either construction? Thanks.
I have a close friend flying in to spend the weekend with the family and I.
THanks alot i learnt lot .and i hope to do my presentation very well.Thank you! i like this web site very much!!
comment on the use, or over use, of "now" as a transitional word in tv newscasts.
Who really cares what is correct? It's all just communication.
Hi Robin,
This holiday, I had an argument with some members of my family over this phrase: This cake is for Jack and I? Or should I say: this cake is for Jack and me? Anyone?
what is correct: "The only people to visit were Mom and me" or "The only people to visit were Mom and I"?
I was reading an email and the person said the following, "Please contact Sandy and I by Friday." Now I am not sure if I am wrong, but shouldn't it be me, because if you were to remove Sandy it would be please contact me. Or could it be either of those two?
My question concerns the use of 'myself' in this sentence: "We, that is Pam and myself, were wondering if you would be..."
Thank you.
i convinced my teacher i was right, with that grammar thingy, i sorta am
I've been noticing a trend in the comments. My contribution is... finish the sentence.
Example: "She is younger than I." That statement is correct. It makes sense to know which to use (I or me) when you finish the sentence. "She is younger than I AM!"
Example: Answering the phone: "This is she." That statement is correct. Finishing the sentence: "This is she who is speaking."
Obviously, you don't always have to verbalize the "finishing of the sentence," but you should visualize it, thus knowing which to use.
Thank you,
Sara (Granddaughter of a Grammar NUT! - Very much appreciated now that I am older)
So what is the correct answer for Lindas question, because the Queen of England always addresses the public with "my husband and I......"
I just wanted to say thanks for a simple and easy to understand article.
Is it appropriate to say, "My husband and I are going to the mall."?
I think you're wrong Jessica/Monica; however, nobody should really care on MySpace should care about this. Basically, in your picture you are saying "This is my friend and i in the high school." You're technically not supposed to use an object pronoun (me, him, her, them). This is commonly mis-used. It is probably mis-used more often than it is used correctly. I don't even really consider it a problem in informal things (e.g. MySpace), but you should be aware that in more formal situations people will care.
Monica, you're right. It should be "Angie and Me in the High School Gym." After all, you would write "Angie in the High School Gym" and "Me in the High School Gym," not "I in the High School Gym."
If I am showing a caption on a picture for some site like MySpace, how should it read?
1. Angie and Me in the High School Gym
2. Angie and I in the High School Gym
Everyone has "I" in their capitons but I have "Me" because it just sounds strange, but I feel like the odd (wo)man out.
I think Jonathon is correct, it should be "The meeting will be convened by Ralph, Nancy and me." as stated by Nithu, not "The meeting will be convened by Ralph, Nancy and I.", as stated by Robin.
You would say, "The book will be written by Ralph, Nancy and me." or "The book will be written by me."
Or you would say, "This website will be edited by Robin, Jonathon and me." or "This website will be edited by me."
Of course I am just guessing based on what I learned from this site, so I defer to Robin for the final answer. He did say he was tired and needed to sleep.
When you are using the comparative, e.g. He is younger than me, should you not use me instead of I because you need an object pronoun. Following the explanation you gave Allison, He is younger than he, would be correct and in my mind that is incorrect. Should it not be, He is younger than he is/He is younger than him?
Can you help me with this? Is "I am" or "me" the best bet for this sentence. Also, can you give me a quick explaination.
No one could be more shocked than I am to realize that I have a problem.
This is a question about using I or me. In this passage, "and so we cuddled, my kitten and I.", is "I" correct?
Thank you.
Robin, If you wrote a biography, would it be correct to title it "A WRITER LIKE I" or "A WRITER LIKE ME"? Robin
I'm curious about your response to Nithu because you used "I" as an objective case pronoun when it should be nominative case (a.k.a. subjective case). You would not say, "The meeting will be convened by I." Because you are using the preposition "by," I would think it would be correct to say "me" instead of "I" in that context.
So, which is correct - It is I or It is me? (Ralph commented on it, but I didn't get the distinction of which was correct.)
There's a popular new song which says, "Don'tcha wish your girlfriend was hot like me?" Now obviously that should be "Don't you" and "were", but is it "hot like me" or "hot like I"? I've seen t-shirts with either one printed on them, so were I to wear one of the shirts, which would be correct?
P.S. I think Allison meant it like, "This is a picture of me" or "This is a picture of I".
Someone tried to correct me on my grammar and now I can't figure out if I'm right or not. I have a picture that I labeled "My Jayma and me" they tried to tell me it should be "My Jayma and I" Can you tell me why I'm right or wrong in this situation?
Thanks a ton!
But what if a sentence is in passive voice?
In the sentence, "The meeting will be convened by Ralph, Nancy and me."
Is the usage of 'me' correct here?
Hi Robin,
In a sentence like "The Union delegates who are
going to the convention in Goa are Ralph, Nancy and me. "
is the usage of 'me' correct?
As Ralph, Nancy and me refer to the subject of the sentence 'Union delegates'
would that mean we should use the subjective form
'I' even though this pronoun comes after the verb.
I love your site!
Just one quesiton-- If I were to say "My mom and I were watching a movie," it would still be "and i" correct? Even though if you remove the "My mom" it becomes "I were watching a movie?" I understand all you have to do is change the tense of the verb but still. . just a thought. : ]
Which sentence would be correct and why?
I didn't know he's younger than me.
I didn't know he's younger than I.
Thanks for the help
In the sentence "this is the will of me, [name]......", I don't understand why 'me' is used instead of 'I'. Is there an explanation for why this is so? Thanks
Great tip!
When should you use got and when should you use have? Is there a specific grammar rule? Thanks
Seems to me the distinction is disappearing or is reversed in common usage to the point where "I" sounds stilted--as in "It's I." My ear telle me most people say "It's me." And It's her rather than It's she.
How do I know when to use a or an before a noun/subject
Thanks for covering one of my pet peeves. "I" is a subject and "me" is an object. This is especially abused when used with the second person pronoun, "you", as in the Jim Morrison song, "Touch Me", he says "For you and I". It's totally incorrect. The preposition "for" may be used with you, since it may be in an object form, but "for" may never be properly used with "I", which is clearly a subject. Sorry, did not mean to get on a soapbox! Very good hub!
I've noticed a lot of people use "myself" when they don't know when to use "I" or "me", like in this example: "To RSVP, please send an email to John and myself"


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The Salem campground is just north of Benton, Arkansas and a few miles southwest of Little Rock Arkansas. We no longer camp out for a week or two in tents or cabins, and we only have one service in the evening instead of three or four meetings throughout the day, but we still enjoy worshipping God and celebrating the tradition and memories of camp meeting.
The KELLEYS are a family trio. Ron and Paula Kelley are husband and wife and Valarie Kelley is Rons younger sister. The Kelleys have enjoyed singing gospel music the majority of their lives. Ron and Paula have sung as a duet in their ministry for 37 years while Valarie has traveled doing solo work for many years. Over the years, when they would be together at the church their father was pastoring, they would enjoy singing together. Two years ago they made the decision to join their hearts and voices together and formed the family trio using the family name, The KELLEYS. Their mission statement is: Bring Hope Through Song and the Spoken Word. They proudly proclaim they are Three Voices with One Vision.
Greg Schick sings, plays guitar and keyboard, and gets the young people involved in his fun and sometimes funny routines and music. This will be his fourth year to share his musical ministry with us. Greg is Pastor of Contemporary Service at Saint James UMC in Little Rock.
Oaklawn UMC Praise Choir led by camp meeting pianist Kathleen Dockery, this group from Hot Springs enjoys singing a mix of old time gospel and some more modern songs.
The Salem UMC Praise Team sings worship and praise songs, led by Laura Cross who plays keyboard. Her husband Randy plays bass, and Steve Davis plays guitar.
Freda Carter and Charles Young sing old hymns as duets and solos with piano and sometimes accordion. The audience is welcome to sing along.
At 7:30 PM each night we all join in singing the old hymns! Lynn Hoggard serves as song leader, accompanied by pianist Kathleen Dockery. Anyone who wants is welcome to come join the choir. We especially encourage young people to join the choir. Even if you do not know all the songs, come join us and be surrounded by some exuberant singing.
Lynn Hoggard of Benton is a retired band director and has been performing since he began singing solos in church as a 3-year-old. He comes from a large musical family. He taught band, vocal music and music education in public schools in Missouri, Kansas and Arkansas, including Bryant and Bauxite. He sang professionally with the Four Jacks Quartet and has performed with a number of bands through the years.
For several years, Hoggard has played stand-up bass for Royal Players productions at the Royal Theatre in Benton. He currently sings with the Ouachita State University faculty quartet. Hoggard is a graduate of England High School and Arkansas State Teachers College (now University of Central Arkansas), where he earned a Bachelor of Music Education degree. He holds a Master of Music Education degree from Wichita State University. Hoggard is married to the former Carolyn Couch. They have two sons and one grandchild.
Kathleen Dockery serves as praise team director and pianist for contemporary and traditional worship services at Oaklawn United Methodist Church in Hot Springs. She has been driving from Hot Springs to play the piano at Salem Camp meeting for several years. Anyone who hears and sees her playing that old time gospel style piano can tell that she enjoys what she is doing. Judging by the smiles on the faces of the audience, her enthusiasm and enjoyment must be contagious.
Dockery has been involved in gospel singing conventions for at least 50 years as the pianist and / or an officer. She is the secretary treasurer for the Arkansas River Valley Gospel Singing Convention in Atkins, Arkansas; former president of the Garland County Gospel Singing Convention in Hot Springs; the Arkansas State Gospel Singing Convention; and the Arkansas-Oklahoma Gospel Singing Convention. These conventions carry on the tradition of hosting gospel music concerts an entire weekend including Friday night, all day Saturday, and usually Saturday night. You can see a Gospel Singing Convention Schedule that includes Arkansas events here.
He has preached / taught workshops in Missouri, Kentucky, Kansas, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Texas, Tennessee, and Arkansas. He and his wife, Celeste, have written full-length plays published by Lillenas Drama (Nazerene Publishing House): Mysteries With a Message, Volumes I and II; and Meet Me at Luigi's. They are also the proud parents of Sam, a creative writing graduate of the University of Arkansas, and Joe, a music graduate of Asbury University. See this web page for more details. Also see TomLetchworth.com.
Perhaps you have some memories of Rev. Letchworth during his pastorate at Salem UMC, camp meeting memories, stories, comments, or pictures. If so, please share them with us on our Facebook page. If you have questions that are not answered here, please call the Salem UMC at 501-316-2282.
The open arbor (tabernacle) where camp meetings are held is a tangible and functional reminder of the days when people actually camped for a couple of weeks in the fall after the crops were harvested. Although the arbor is owned by the Salem United Methodist Church, and the evangelist is a Methodist, we hope that all Christians will feel welcome to come to camp meeting and worship God as a community the way our forefathers did. We still need and desire to experience God's forgiveness and life-changing power.
Volunteers set up the piano and sound system every evening prior to the service and tear it all down afterwards -- it cannot be left under the open arbor. Special thanks to Mike Green for providing an excellent sound system for camp meeting. Most of the singing groups use Mike's system since it is more than adequate for their needs. Volunteers also work prior to camp meeting making plans and arrangements for the next upcoming meeting, fixing up the arbor, and praying for God's blessings on the camp meeting and everyone who attends.
The camp meetings are organized and run by the Salem Camp Meeting Association. Anyone who wishes to attend the annual meeting is considered a member. The association elects a board which meets several times a year to conduct camp meeting business. The camp meeting association pays all expenses of the camp meeting. Thanks to everyone who has contributed their talent, time, and efforts to the annual camp meetings, and a special thanks to those who have generously contributed to improvements such as the concrete floor, seat cushions, improved lighting, additional ceiling fans, and some nice church pews donated by the Vilonia, UMC.
"In the early days of Saline County's history the settlers would gather here after the crops had been "laid by" for rest, relaxation and to give thanks to The Lord. The early camp meetings were held under brush arbors lighted by pine knots and included daily preaching and singing services. The Salem Camp Meetings were first organized soon after 1830. Annual meetings have been held continuously on this hallowed spot since 1867. During its history many renowned ministers of Methodism have inspired those attending with their great preaching."
The 2017 camp meeting marks the 150th continuous annual camp meeting, but there are records of meetings being held as early as 1837. The annual meetings were suspended during the Civil War, but resumed in 1867. The present arbor was built in 1913. Many people who attend camp meeting remember the era of camping on the grounds. Some of the older attendees recall when people still came via horse and buggy or horse drawn wagon, and some who lived a mile or two away walked to camp meeting. They recall attendance being close to 500 in those days, and remember hearing that nearly 1,000 had attended camp meetings in the past when some area churches would cancel their services so that their members could attend camp meeting.
In the early 1800's church on the farm consisted of families reading the Bible and singing in their homes on Sundays. Sometimes circuit riding preachers would visit different homes on Sundays, and neighbors would come to hear the preacher. In 1837 these meetings were formally recognized and organized when the Methodist Church created a Benton Circuit. Meetings were held under a brush arbor at what was then known as Scott's Campground. In later years as different denominations established churches in the area, some people began attending those other churches. But those who trace their religious heritage back to the early 19th century may learn that their ancestors attended Methodist meetings simply because those were among the first organized meetings.
After the crops had been harvested in the fall, people would come to the revival from long distances and camp around the arbor. Many of them brought chickens and other animals, and would stay for 2 weeks or so. They slept in tents, in and under wagons, and eventually some built simple cabins that were called tents.
In 1855, Sue Fletcher wrote while visiting some of her husband's relatives that lived north of Benton, of a Methodist Campground with a revival in progress. She said that it was the first time she had ever heard white people get happy and shout in church. It would later be said that people a mile away could hear the noise of the loud preaching and praying at the camp meeting, and there were reports of people praying loudly long into the night.
In 1859 Patrick Scott along with his brother and neighbors built a small log church for regular church services, but the fall camp meetings were probably still held outside under a brush arbor. Camp meetings were suspended during the Civil War, but resumed afterwards.
The campers (tenters) held services several times a day. Since many of them lived on farms with few neighbors, camp meeting was a time to make and renew friendships. Undoubtedly many courtships began at camp meeting.
The evening services were likely better attended because people who lived relatively close by in Benton would come out just for the evening service. Some people who would not go inside a church attended the camp meeting as it was free entertainment. Certainly some of those onlookers were converted to Christ.
Henry Scott's recollection of the "early days":
"I have seen the time when hundreds of people came in ox wagons, horse and mule wagons, and many walked for miles to come to camp meeting. Most of the preachers came on horseback. Down near the spring we built a corral where the preachers' horses were kept. Every camper brought a load of corn and hay to feed his stock, and all of us would chip in enough to feed the preachers' horses. I have seen as many as 25 preachers' horses in that corral at one time.
In those days everyone came to worship. When the horn blew everyone left their tents and came to the shed and stayed until the service was over. The preachers preached a convicting gospel of Jesus Christ, and I have seen mourners pour into the altar in groups of 50 at a time. Old Dr. Andrew Hunter's favorite sermon was on the prodigal son. When he reached the climax and called for mourners, they filled the aisles. Grove meetings were held each evening. About sundown the men would assemble and go to the woods north of the campgrounds, and the women would go to the south woods where each group would hold prayer meetings. I have seen as many as 10 men converted kneeling at a log in one meeting. Both groups would return to the shed for preaching. Sometimes they would come in singing and shouting, and it looked like the fire of the Holy Spirit burned through the whole congregation until it would be impossible for the preacher to hear himself preach. He would just call mourners and proceed with the service as if he had already preached.
I have seen them shout until way into the night. Many times after the congregation had been dismissed and the people had gone to their tents for the night, somebody would get happy and break into a shout. Then another on the other side of the encampment would start, and soon another and another would join in until there were people singing and shouting at almost every tent until the early hours of the morning. The next morning however, everyone was up and ready for the sunrise prayer service, the 9 AM service, the 11 AM service, and on through the day.
It used to be quite a job to keep order here. Once, a quart of whiskey was found hidden under a log near the grounds. It was turned over to Dr. Hunter who held it up at the next service and told the congregation if anyone would claim it he could have it. A big fellow rose up in the back and said, 'That's my whiskey'. Alright, said Dr. Hunter, come and get it. The man came forward and got it, but upon returning to his seat he was arrested. He was tried during a recess and had to pay a fine."
The schedule of services later changed to 10 AM, 3 PM, and 7 PM. From the book "Lest We Forget Our Character, Gems Gleaned From South Arkansas" by Rev. J. H. Riggin D.D., Rev. W. F. Evans, collaborator. Published about 1910 by Norton-Vail Printing Company about the meetings following the civil war:
"In 1867 G. W. Primrose, preacher in charge of Benton Circuit, C. O. Steel at Little Rock, and Andrew Hunter, presiding elder of the Little Rock District, established a permanent campground in Salem some 4 miles northwest of Benton. Six acres of land were donated near the log cabin church that had been built some years before, and a shed 30 X 52 feet with brush extension was erected.
The Scott boys, B. F. Zuber, J. D. Cameron, Samuel Cameron, Solomon Snow, and others engaging in the work and erecting tents (cabins) to be occupied by their families and guests. From Little Rock came W. F. Fields, the Fones Brothers, Woodall, and others tented. Some from Benton, and from the country far and wide came people with wagons and equipment for a few days' encampment, so that there was a large attendance.
Dr. Hunter was in his prime, Dr. Winfield, the man of spiritual fervor and eloquence, C. O. Steel, G. W. Primrose, Patrick Scott, and others made a rare company of preachers. The Spirit of the Lord attended the Word, and a great number of souls were converted and added to the Church. Andrew Hunter soon settled in the neighborhood and for many years held a sort of fatherly oversight of the meetings. A score of young men were converted there who became preachers, some of whom are of large reputation. The annual meetings were a source of quickening for the churches in Little Rock and Benton and the country all around.
This with Sardis Campground, soon after established some ten miles away, was of inestimable value in conserving the pristine values of the fathers and founders of all that community, for a host of souls brought into the kingdom of God have scattered abroad to become preachers, lay leaders, and saintly mothers to the glory of God. The godly men and women who founded the camp meeting have gone to their reward. May their children and children's children conserve their inheritance and transmit the holy fire to generations yet unborn, that they may praise the Lord."
In the late 1800's a tabernacle was built that was about eighty square feet and open on all sides. The first seats were split boards and puncheons laid across logs with no backs. The pulpit was at one end of the shed with a platform for singers and other preachers behind the pulpit. Since electricity was not yet available, the evening meetings were lighted in the following manner. Scaffolds about four feet high were built on the four sides of the shed at a safe distance and covered with dirt. Fires were built here with rich pine knots which provided the light.
At some time in the early 1900's, a generator (small power plant) would be set up on the campgrounds to provide electricity for lighting the arbor. This probably continued until about 1940 -- well after Little Rock and Benton residents had electricity. Rural areas such as the Salem Community had been neglected by electric companies until after the government established the Rural Electrification Administration.
In the early 1930's ticks were said to be so bad that a person could not walk out the door without getting covered with ticks. A new law required all cattle owners to get their livestock dipped or sprayed with a solution that killed ticks. In the Salem community, the vat where cows were dipped was located on the extreme southwest corner of the campground property near a spring where the Gregory branch (creek) started. Mr. Noah Couch dug out the spring, and in 1935 the Works Progress Administration (WPA) built a star shaped curb around the spring. When Rev. W. Roy Jordan was pastor of Salem Church, circa 1956 - 1958, he bought the lot next door to the church with plans to retire there. The church agreed to also sell him the area containing the spring. However, rather than retiring, he accepted the pastorate of another church and sold his land including the area containing the spring.
By the 1950's about fifty cabins had been built surrounding the campgrounds. There were likely several different brush arbors that preceded the church building. Since the church was established at the campgrounds, three different arbors and four different church structures have been built. The first arbor was brush and the first permanent structure was made of logs. The second arbor was also brush, but the second church was a frame structure. Sometime around 1909 or 1910 a fire started in the church and soon spread to the tabernacle which stood against the church. Both were quickly destroyed. In about 1913 the present tabernacle was built to replace the one that burned. Lloyd Ulmer stated that his Uncle Levi Ulmer and Noah Couch built it. In 1955 the tabernacle was moved from alongside the church to its present location.
Some recent recollections:
Lois Snow Scott, descendant of Solomon Snow, "The story of salvation at the Salem Camp Meeting has certainly touched the hearts and souls of those who participated, and this type of experience still serves to benefit anyone who attends."
John Davis, My great-grandfather, Asa Bragg, was one of those who were active in the Salem Methodist church in the early 1900s. My grandmother spoke often of the Salem camp meeting. Of course, the cows still had to be milked every morning, but camp meeting was a special time.
John Zuber, "Every year prior to camp meeting, I would go with Hugh Bragg to Pine Bluff in a pickup truck to haul several loads of wood shavings (sawdust) to cover the floor of the arbor and cabins. Hugh would ring the bell about 15 minutes prior to each of the three daily services, and then again just as it was time for service to start."
John Pelton, "I remember the presence of the Holy Spirit as the camp meeting choir sang and worshipped God. As a youngster I was in awe of the pretty teen aged girls all dressed up and walking to the arbor. Even though they were older and out of my league, I could still appreciate their beauty."
Anne Beyers, "We would have to make a trip to the far well because the main well might be too busy, and we could walk by where the good looking boys were hanging out. If one of the boys spoke to me, I would act surprised."
Betty Zuber Wilchman Curtis, descendant of Benjamin Franklin Zuber, "I had my first date with my future husband at Salem Camp Meeting."
With improving roads and transportation, fewer people actually camped on the campgrounds during camp meeting, so day services ended and camp meeting was eventually shortened to a weeklong event. However, there are several people who still fondly recall camping at camp meeting, and who are happy to share their memories with anyone who asks. The long tradition of having a fall season camp meeting was changed early in this century, and now camp meetings are held in June to avoid conflicts with school sporting events.
Many people remember the sawdust floor of the tabernacle. The sawdust had to be changed out each year, and was becoming quite an expense due to the diminishing availability of sawdust. In 2011 members of the camp meeting association contributed money to pay for a concrete floor. A brief history of the church and campgrounds is available on the Salem UMC web page.
Most of the history on this page is from Shirley Gregory's book, "Salem United Methodist and Camp Meeting 1836-2000." Shirley also put together a pictorial book in 2008. She still attends camp meeting each year, and her daughter, Laura Cross, leads the Salem UMC Praise Team and serves as president of the Camp Meeting Association and board of directors. Other books about the Salem Camp Meeting include;
"The camp meeting tradition in Arkansas dates back to 1821, 15 years before Arkansas became a state.His article went on to quote from some Arkansas camp meeting web pages including this Salem Camp Meeting page.
According to the Old State Houses website: The religious camp meeting movement reached Arkansas with a big meeting at Cadron in 1821. The next year there were camp meetings at Crystal Hill and at the Ebenezer Camp Ground in
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A camp meeting is a one- or two-week period of preaching, testimony, Bible study and fellowship. The whole family comes and camps out for the entire meeting. At first a campground might have a brush arbor a wooden framework covered with vines and family tents. As camp meetings continued year after year at the same place, there would be a frame tabernacle and family cabins. Camp meetings also became famous for music and food lots of food.
The 19th century camp meeting movement began in Logan County, Ky., about 1801. A large group of Baptist, Methodist and Presbyterian people met near Cane Ridge for two weeks in late August. That first meeting had many of the characteristics of later meetings, including the brush arbor and the family camps.
The idea spread rapidly, especially through rural areas and the frontier states and territories of the South and West. It was part of what people called a Great Awakening of religious and reform enthusiasm.
Arkansas locations of camp meetings included Sardis, Warnock Springs, Magnesia Springs, Midway, Gravelly, Mt. Pleasant, Pump Springs, Bailey, Bethel, Red Colony, Keener, Lost Creek, Sulphur Springs, Falcon, Liberty, Union, Clear Lake, Thornberry, Macedonia and Greathouse Springs."
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BRIDGMAN CLINCHES TITLE AT CROFT Third place does the job for Tim The 2007 Visma Formula Palmer Audi Championship has been won by Tim Bridgman, after finishing third in round 19 at Croft. Bridgman only needed three points to beat Stefan Wilson...
Third place does the job for Tim
The 2007 Visma Formula Palmer Audi Championship has been won by Tim Bridgman, after finishing third in round 19 at Croft.
Bridgman only needed three points to beat Stefan Wilson in the overall standings, and his third-place finish sealed the title.
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Bridgman also paid tribute to FPA's founder and director Jonathan Palmer: "I'd like to thank Jonathan for the opportunity to race, and show what I can do in a one-make championship. He and I spoke at a very late stage and just made it happen. The aim right from the start was to win the championship, and I have."
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"I made an average start, and spent most of the race trying to keep with Luciano. He wasn't much quicker in the middle of the race though, so I knew I would be able to put a move on him at some point."
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choosing a chief justice
read Why the next CJ should be an insider, sent to malaya by a lawyer who requested anonymity, and published in the spirit of, heed the message, don't shoot the messenger.
read also solita collas-monsod's The best candidate for chief justice. after disposing of the four major objections to the appointment of acting chief justice antonio carpio, she turns to what his actual performance has been in the supreme court:
…I have read his opinions, whether majority or dissenting, in a number of cases which I followed closely because of their importance to either the Philippine economy or its polity. And I have come away deeply impressed by the clarity and logic of his thinking, the solidity of his arguments, the homework he so obviously has done. No strain to credulity, no mental gymnastics, no decision-first-justification-later.
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But wait. A chief justice also has to be an excellent administrator. Does Carpio have what it takes? Just ask the Supreme Court staff how he has handled the administrative tasks assigned to him. Accomplished. Soonest.
And the latest proof, of course, is how, in his first meeting en banc as acting chief justice, he led the high court in reversing its stance on the disclosure of statements of assets, liabilities and net worth.
What are we waiting for?
i agree with the lawyer who prefers to remain anonymous, better an insider than an outsider for all 10 reasons he listed. and mareng winnie has just sold me on carpio. thank god she wasn't selling justice lourdes sereno, just because, hey, she's the one who wants to raise compensation for hacienda luisita to some 10B bucks instead of just the ordered 200M. no wonder the prez is keen on a new CJ in the Sereno mold.
right after the corona conviction, my kneejerk reaction to carpio as the next cj was a big no. following the president's logic, that corona was gma's man, carpio would only be the president's man. but then, again, following that logic, anyone aquino appoints would be aquino's man. surely there's something not right about that.
googled it and found this from todd e. pettys, university of iowa college of law:
After identifying the original rationales for our longstanding tradition of permitting the President and Senate to decide which of the Court's nine members will serve as Chief Justice, I argue that those rationales are anachronistic, that the tradition creates unnecessary conflicts of interest and separation-of-powers concerns, and that the Court's members should be permitted to decide for themselves which of them will serve as Chief Justice.
way to go. or we'll never have a truly independent judiciary.
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June 13, 2012 at 11:59 pm
a collegial body voting among its peers will create a "boys club" which might be an independent judiciary but will ultimately serve not in the best interest of the people in the long run just you have feared that a GMA Court will turn in be a Pinoy court if appointed by the Pinoy and his legislative allies.
June 14, 2012 at 1:59 am
Parang mali yata yun 2 for 1 argument: "Two for 1. Appointing a CJ from among the associate justices allows PNoy to appoint 2 to the SC instead of just 1 if he appoints someone from the outside. An outsider can be appointed to the SC immediately after one from the SC is appointed CJ."
15 lang ang justices, 1 CJ and 14 associate justices. Corona's impeachment leaves 14 justices so PNoy can only appoint 1 justice.
Pnoy won't be appointing 2 to the SC. He will be making 2 appointments, one promoting an insider to CJ and the other to make the SC 15 justices.
June 14, 2012 at 2:03 am
De Castro? No effin way! She was first appointed to a special court created to ensure Erap's conviction. Having done the little queen a favor, she was appointed SC Justice. Who says she's independent? No baggage?
June 14, 2012 at 2:13 am
PNoy has not submitted any nominees. He wants De Lima and Henares to remain in their position because he believes they are doing a good job right where they are. PNoy will choose from the JBC short-list. I think that's a good call. He cannot be accused of packing the court.
But being passive can also have negative consequences. The JBC is not exactly famous for being upright and independent. So if PNoy does not express any preference for CJ then someone or someones will surely fill the vacuum.
The problem really is there are people who will always find fault with whatever PNoy does.
Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't, ika nga. Maybe he will just say f**k you to everyone and appoint Miriam :-)
June 14, 2012 at 3:56 pm
Yes, of course, the senator from iloilo. say happy birthday, it's her 67th tomorrow.
that means we can have three years of 'waaah'.. why oh why not?
but will she accept?
June 14, 2012 at 10:14 pm
will she accept? haaay naku, Lando, i'm sure she will. nanginginig pa. only problem is, who will nominate her to the jbc? oh, sure, maybe corona will, hehehe.
June 15, 2012 at 3:11 pm
two stages of acceptance: when nominated to jbc, and when appointed by the appointing power.
either way, it sounds like the last stage of grief.. as in good grief, charlie brown.
June 14, 2012 at 5:13 pm
With Hon. Hermosisima at the JBC helm, I suggest Acting Chief Justice Carpio to stay put in the JBC to unseat Hermosisima who is already on his 15th year in the JBC.
If Carpio chooses ambition over his JBC task, he must convene the SC en banc to find a replacement for him. The SC en banc's authority is higher than him. The JBC is under the supervision of the SC.
Re: de Lima, she'd better do her chore at JBC or resign as DOJ Sec so her successor will do the JBC task. After all, 8 heads are better than 6 in coming up with the short list especially that 2 politicians are included.
I prefer a nominee in the short list to include someone coming from the ranks of judges…someone who originated from an underrepresented region, Visayas or Mindanao.
June 14, 2012 at 5:25 pm
My operational definition of an "insider" is one that originated from the Judiciary ranks.
Thus, among the 5 incumbent SC Justices who were automatically nominated to the CJ post on account of their seniority (namely: Acting CJ Carpio, J. Velasco, J. Leonardo-de Castro, J. Brion, and J. Peralta) only J. Diosdado M. Peralta "has risen from the ranks of the judges" (to borrow Ma'am Raissa's words).
Well, even though there is one among the 5 incumbent SC Justices who is an insider to me, I wouldn't want him to be part of the short list. Choosing someone presently sitting as SC Justice will only leave a vacancy for the President to fill up.
I prefer an "insider" (from the ranks of judges) but an "outsider" (not an incumbent SC Justice).
Appointing the rightful Chief Justice is enough for P.Noy and it has long been delayed, almost two years, making the total 15 = 1 CJ, 14 AJs.
Another appointment for an Associate Justice could probably wait.
June 15, 2012 at 9:24 am
Over at Ellenville, someone said…
Sa panahon ni Aquino, hindi na uso ang endorsement. Ibinalik ang matrix system ng search committee at mas nililigwak ang sinomang magsubmit ng "endorsement" ng politicians.
– Oblak – June 14, 2012 7:29 pm
Sa panahon din ni Aquino, may actual background check ang search committee sa mga applicants without the applicants knowing it. An applicant will be subjected to quality control by the NBI before an NBI clearance is issued.
– Oblak – June 14, 2012 7:41 pm
So, may reform pala sa JBC.
According to PCIJ in May 2011…
Knowing more about those who would be jurists or Ombudsman is a first step, he says, for citizens "to be more concerned about the quality and diversity" of the courts.To be sure, Gatmaytan affirms that the JBC's public interviews afford the citizens a chance to see and listen to the nominees. But these forums also have become no different from the sneak previews or trailers that are shown in movie theaters, with the citizens allowed only to watch in silence.This is because during the interviews, only the eight JBC members can ask questions. And while the proceedings are documented in writing, cameras and tape recorders are banned, and live TV and radio coverage disallowed.And although the interviews are open to the public, Gatmaytan says those who have attended the events have raised some observations: the questions are not probing enough, and the interviews seem to be rushed, especially when the JBC has to deal with so many nominees racing after the same plum positions.
So, what would you like to ask the "chief justiciable"???
And, the JBC members better ask your questions!!!
June 15, 2012 at 12:55 pm
rene saguisag is for justice roberto abad, who retires in two years. then carpio, or de lima.
June 15, 2012 at 1:45 pm
From Raissa Robles:
Justice Roberto A. Abad – His long-time boss was Solicitor General (OSG) Estelito Mendoza. Justice Abad joined the OSG in 1975. Estelito Mendoza was OSG head from 1972 to 1986. Mendoza was the lawyer of Lucio Tan who succeeded in getting the SC to dramatically reverse itself on the FASAP case on October 4, 2011.
June 15, 2012 at 1:53 pm
gadz. no then, no to anyone with connections to estelito mendoza please, who only had to write a letter and a decision was reversed… nononono
June 15, 2012 at 3:08 pm
hey angela, there's no 'shawshank redemption' for the likes of estelito m?
in any case, as of today, 240 folks on fb 'like' his page.. better than 73 for a juan miguel z.. but we should nominate rappler. he/she/it gets 18.653 likes.
whoever said fb is useless?


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Jan 29 (Reuters) - Canada's main stock index looked set to open lower on Tuesday, tracking Wall Street, as investors looked to the outcome from the U.S. Federal Reserve two-day meeting to gauge the health of the world's largest economy.
* The U.S. Federal Reserve is paying close attention to risks linked to its bond buying program, including the possibility of losses on its massive portfolio that might touch off a political fire storm and harm the central bank's independence.
* Canadian Pacific Railway reported a 93 percent fall in fourth-quarter profit, but said it expects 2013 adjusted earnings per share to rise more than 40 percent.
* Anglo American Plc will take a $4 billion writedown on its Minas Rio iron ore operation in Brazil after delays and cost overruns forced the mining group to increase expenditure on the project.
* Japan's government approved a $1.02 trillion draft budget for the next fiscal year that aims to nudge tax revenues above new bond sales for the first time in four years, but still relies on borrowing to cover 46.3 percent of its spending.
* Pfizer reported better-than-expected fourth-quarter results, helped by rebounding sales in emerging markets, but the drugmaker forecast earnings for 2013 that were mostly below consensus analyst expectations.
* Royal Bank of Scotland Group is close to a 500 million pounds settlement with U.S. and British authorities over claims that some of its employees submitted false Libor rates, the WSJ reported, citing people briefed on the negotiations.
* Canada stock futures traded down 0.24 percent
* U.S. stock futures , , were down around 0.22 percent to 0.35 percent
* European shares, were mixed
* Thomson Reuters-Jefferies CRB Index : 300.727; rose 0.02 percent
* Gold futures : $1,654.9; were unchanged
* US crude : $96.45; rose 0.01 percent
* Brent crude : $113.32; fell 0.14 percent
* LME 3-month copper : $8,045.75; fell 0.14 percent
Following is a summary of research actions on Canadian companies reported by Reuters.
* Agrium Inc. : Susquehanna raises target price of Agrium's U.S. listed shares to $135 from $130 after the company raised its fourth-quarter earnings estimate above its previous outlook.
* Progressive Waste Solutions : National Bank Financial cuts to sector perform from outperform and says the REIT model would not be favorable for the company and would limit its ability to grow through acquisition.
* Raging River Exploration Inc. : National Bank Financial raises target price to C$5.25 from C$4.75, after the company reported year-end 2012 reserves, showing solid growth of 80 percent, exceeding expectations.
* Sierra Wireless Inc. : Jefferies raises target price of Sierra's U.S.-listed shares to $10 from $8 after the company said it will sell assets of AirCard business to NetGear for approximately $100 million.
* TMX Group Ltd : National Bank Financial raises target price to C$58 from C$54, says robust equity financing activity and relatively strong mutual fund flows in Canada suggest a rebound in trading activity.
* No major Canadian economic data scheduled for release
* Major U.S. events and data include consumer confidence