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Drug Addiction Treatment: Suboxone & Subutex
For a long time, methadone detox or methadone maintenance, coupled with Narcotics Anonymous meetings, was the only way to treat drug abuse long-term on an outpatient basis. Clients with a bed at an inpatient rehab facility, however, had access to a variety of methods and medications, including Buprenorphine.
Buprenorphine hydrochloride, commonly known as Buprenex, is an injectable analgesic that has been used for the treatment of opiate addiction since the 1980s. Buprenex is effective on any opiate (heroin, oxycodone such as Oxycontin and Percocet, hydrocodone such as Vicodin, morphine, oxymorphone, fentanyl) whether it is smoked, taken into the body intranasally or taken in through intravenous mainlining. Due to the fact that it needed to be directly injected into the bloodstream in order to be effective, it has been unavailable for doctors to prescribe to clients on an outpatient basis or for methadone clinics to offer to their outpatients as an alternative to methadone.
Enter Suboxone and Subutex. In October 2002, the FDA approved these buprenorphine-based medications for release in the United States. Although also intended for use at inpatient facilities, the breakthrough was the FDA allowing Suboxone to be prescribed by federally approved doctors and psychiatrists, and allowing pharmacies to fill these scripts. The reason for the change in procedure was that Suboxone and Subutex took a high dose of Buprenorphine and condensed it into a small 2-mg or 8-mg pill, which would be ingested sublingually by holding it under the tongue.
The difference between Suboxone and Subutex
The only difference between Suboxone and Subutex is that Suboxone contains naloxone, an opiod-receptor antagonist. It is commonly misunderstood that naloxone is put in Suboxone to block the effects of other opiates if the patient attempts to get high during treatment, and although this is certainly an advantage, the additive's main purpose is to prevent abuse of the drug. In order to begin Suboxone therapy, the patient must refrain from using opiates for at least 24 hours before beginning treatment. If someone is switching from methadone to Suboxone, it is recommended that he be at a methadone dose of 30mg or less. If he does not refrain and is not in full-fledged withdrawal, or is not at the methadone minimum at the time of the first dose, the medication will precipitate even worse withdrawals as the medicine is administered. This is because the naloxone (which is used by emergency response teams in cases of overdosing) attacks the drug by binding itself to any opiates present in one's system. Subutex, on the other hand, can be taken sooner, when only mild withdrawal is beginning, and is often prescribed to pregnant women where full-fledged withdrawal can threaten the baby's life or cause miscarriage.
How it works
When opiates are taken into the body, dopamine is released which produces a feeling of pleasure and euphoria. As the drugs wear off, the receptors which received the opiates are left empty, causing withdrawal symptoms to begin. The buprenorphine in Suboxone attaches to the empty receptors and stops them from feeling the pangs of craving and withdrawal. It is a partial opioid agonist, which means it completely halts withdrawal without producing the euphoria and unconsciousness that is counterproductive to a healthy, functioning lifestyle. At its best, buprenorphine also blocks other opiates from attaching to the empty receptors and does not allow a high to be felt.
Unlike methadone clinics, which require clients to come in every day to take their dose in front of nurses, after the first Suboxone/Subutex dose is monitored by a doctor in his office, a one-month prescription may be filled that will allow the patient to take the pill in the comfort of his or her own home. Although a 2mg, 8mg or 16mg dose can potentially last anywhere from 48-72 hours, almost all doctors instruct that it be taken every single day to ensure that a proper, active level of medication is running through the system at all times. One of the benefits of buprenorphine-based drugs is that they have a low ceiling effect, making it less likely for individuals to overdose on the medicine. Buprenorphine also has a limited effect on breathing, also making it less likely to induce overdose via respiratory distress.
Over 3.7 million Americans have either tried opiates or are currently addicted to them, but 400,000 of those suffering have successfully completed a buprenorphine program in the five years since it was approved for distribution in the United States. Although considered a "miracle drug" by the thousands who have escaped the grip of addiction through buprenorphine treatment, Suboxone and Subutex were primarily designed for, and are most effective on, those suffering from low level opiate dependency. Those with a high degree of dependency may benefit best from a different form of treatment such as methadone maintainence. Below are some helpful links citing resources for the different types of addiction therapies.
Very interesting hub!
methadone madness in minnienapolis.................. in fact its so bad we may need spell check..........hey choose your poision do you feel better on anti depresents or do you still chastize the man that cant spell and gets it on the street corner.
It doesn't seem like we hear much about suboxone in the news these days. I don't see it prescribed much at my clinic.
Addiction treatment and recovery resources for the addict and their families. http://www.addictiontreatment.net
Ive been on methadone for years on and off un-prescribed along with other opiates and illicit drugs.About 4 months ago I actually found a doctor to prescribe me methadone for opiate addiction to methadone. This is highly unusual to get a doctor, or actually he is a PA to ween me off methadone.I started to feel he was getting pressured to stop, or to hurry the process. I am just about to start Suboxone therapy and I'm scared cause I have to stop using methadone for 48hrs before starting. I'm excited for the change, and appreciate the help that the PA did give me, but ultimately the unsecure feeling I had of whether it was technically legal to do, although I had my parents hold all my meds, and give me my days supply everyday.So in a sense I had my own in home clinic which got me down to the level needed to switch over to suboxone.Ill try to give an update on how things go. I wish everyone all the luck and regardless of what anyone says either methadone or suboxone,subtex,buprenex etc...is always better than the alternative addiction to whatever opiate is the drug of choice.Everyone needs to help lift the stigmatism of these invaluble medications that have saved many lives when taken correctly.
Hi I just thought I would say that I was on heroin and methadone (together) more or less for six years. I tried to switch to suboxone and wated 48 hours but boy did it make me rattle. please take my advice because I don't want u going through the same thing. DO NOT GO ON SUBOXONE. GO ON SUBUTEX. else u will rattle bad and get strsight back on the gear and it will scare u to death, im on subbys now but only because just got out stoke heath prison so had no choice. I know im only 19 but trust me iv been opiate dependant since was 12 and trust me, suboxone should only be given to people who are really withdrawing and I don't think it shoulf be given to people on meths because unlike heroin it stays in system a lot longer. Plus it gets in your bones.
I am having problems because I am taking Suboxone under a physician's care. But I am being court ordred to take urine tests for "opistes". I am getting continuing positive results for opiates due to the Suboxone but most judges and therapist know very little about Suboxone that I can not get verification of the opiates being present in the Suboxone. Can anyone help with this?
Jo Tyler
Great job taking a complex subject and aking it very readable and clear! There is a lot of misinformation and ignorance surounding opiate substitution therapies ( as Jo Tyler is facing with his drug test results!) and we will all be better off once this drug goes more mainstrean. Thanks!!
suboxone does not show up as an opiate on drug test
suboxone DOES NOT SHOW UP ON AN opiate DRUG TEST... I was ordered to absolute sobriety and all I could do was subs to get off OC's and man was I relieved when my case worker said I was negative after being on subs for a week...whew...
Very interesting article and comments that describe others experiences with this form of addiction recovery support
I am currently taking ocs and percs. i tried the methadone clinic and was on it for 12 days up to 90mg per day. i have an appt with a suboxone doctor soon and im not sure what i should do. some one told me i should get on subetex 1st because methadone is still in my system.
oh yah i forgot to say that i stopped taking methadone because i had an allergic reaction to it. ive been off for 5 days and now im taking the pills again.what should i do?
Are you positive that sub does not show up on a court ordered drug screen? I am tring desperatly to get off pills. And I have to take a drug screen for court, I do not have a doctor to give me suboxone yet, so a friend of mine is giving me some to take the edge off. I fust don't want to go to jail though, but gosh it is so hard. Am I safe to keep taking them even though i don't have a prescription?
Yes, Suboxone does show up in Court ordered drug test and the Courts do not approve of suboxone for treatment. I know.
suboxone is realy easy to get just call your local hospital and ask them for a referal of doctors or phsyciatrists (sorry if i mispelled ) that will presribe it. i called got a referal called doc at 700pm went right to him and i was at pharmacy by 830pm in hand by 900pm they give it to u fairly easy because its something for people that really want to do the right thing and the docs know that that's why theygive it to u there is also a patient assistance program for people without insurance just call the manufacturer reckitt benckiser they will tell u how to do it good luck all any questions email me at email@example.com plus if u have a script
for any drug courts cant do anything about it its legal just have to show them the bottle cause im on probation later good luck all
to all you opiate addicts out there reading this...hang in there...its NEVER easy no matter how much you change your life around its a daily struggle..sobriety comes with time, not by ignoring the fact and trying to put it behind you and forget about it. And to all you methadoners - i'd stay away. No matter how good or normal they may make you feel, all they're doing is fucking you up more. Its a fact that Methadone withdrawl is on of the MOST PAINFUL opiate withdrawls to live through..and it doesn't just go away after a few days. It gets into your bones, believe you me Suboxone may not give you that tingly feeling but it does kill the craving (physical more than mental) The mental part is ALLL YOU! Like I said before.. sobriety comes with time, so give it some
good luck to all
P.S. NEVER..and I mean NEVERRRRRRRRR halt suboxone/subutex/methadone use WITHOUT the consent and assistance of a DOCTOR. If you have your mind and heart set on getting off of any of these drugs, PLEASE take my word for it it is absolutely the most PAINFUL experience to endure, and long lasting. You might think you don't need it anymore.. you can do without it..it's holding you back, WHATEVER YOUR REASON MAY BE you don't realize how strong the medication is till you don't have it anymore..believe me at that point you'd be wishing it was still in your posession. The doctor who's care your under will wein you down safely the way it SHOULD BE DONE and if you're having trouble coming off they can usually even prescribe things to help (for stomach problems, anxiety, sweating, etc.)
does suboxone show up in probation directed urines
5 year heroin addict and now have 8 months clean. Detoxed off of 70mgs of methadone, about a $70 dollar a day heroin habit, and a slight benzo addiction as well. Suboxone was used as a 7 day taper than was switched to subutex for 3 days. I was told from my doctor in detox that this was the way these drugs were ment to work. But out here in Chi doctors do it just like methadone, all about the money, ya know! I suggest, for those that really want a new way of life, to check into a state funded detox (they are in every state and you wont need any money to get in) and get the shit out of your system. Then ask your case worker to help find you a state funded rehab for 30 - 90 days, (AZ has good ones) and then into a sober living home if need be. Then you will have choice back but now the real work will begin. Luck has nothing to do with anything when it comes to getting clean, only truly wanting to stop will make this nightmare end. I will do what I can for any addict wanting to recover firstname.lastname@example.com
I am facing a probation drug creen and used suboxene to get off opiates will it show up on my screening??? Please only resond if you know what you are talking about other wise do not dtess me out with assumptions
I have been on Suboxone since June 10, 2008. I see a suboxone coordinator twice a month and go to drug and alcohol counseling biweekly in addition to seeing my suboxone doctor monthly. I have done the research and know that suboxone only shows up in a specific test (a test which is different than the standard drug tests). It DOES NOT show up as an opiate. Suboxone doctors will do two separate tests, one that shows if you are indeed taking your suboxone, and one that shows if you've taken any other illegal/non-prescribed drugs. The day before I saw my doctor for suboxone I used a fentynal patch, took 160 mg of oxycontin and had about 6 soma and a few ativan, I took the suboxone as soon as I had the prescription filled and did not suffer any kind of pain or withdrawal from using it "too soon" You can get through this if you really want to change the way your living. Suboxone was a miracle for me and my family. I've been clean for 7 months and counting.
Suboxone is just another methadone epidemic. My friends are getting high on suboxone and selling their prescriptions on the streets. And the witdrawal symptoms from suboxone are just as intense, if not worse than methadone. I do not condone either method. I am a recovering addict who used Neurontin (prescribed), and over the counter meds to control the worst symptoms. I stopped taking the Neurontin approximately 2 weeks in and felt alright. Six months later, I was productive and drug-free. I do not see many doctors prescribing Neurontin for drug addiction, unless you are on the west coast, and I would like to see it happen more often. Neurontin is non-narcotic and non-addicting. I advise anyone who is trying to get clean to ask their doctor about this medication. Good luck to all of you.
Why do people talk out of their asses. It pisses me off so much. First of all I am currently on suboxone and the withrdrawel pains are no where near as bad as any otheer withdrawel I can take 1 8mg suboxone and not have to takee another one for 4 or 5 days. Also it does give you a euphoric feeling but not as strong as the previous opiate you were addicted to. That is why this drug is so great, not only does it take your withdrawel pains but it satifiees the people who still want that high feeling. This stops people from going and getting high on the other drug they were addicted too and gets them off the drug completely and if you take your doses right theere are almost no withdrawels from suboxone when you stop. Your doctor knows what he is doing because in order for him to be able to pescribe them he had to take and pass an 8 hour course and test on suboxone. He will ween you off the drug and you will be drug free. You just have to follow thee doctors orders and you have to really want to stop otherwise it doesn't matter what your doctor gives you, you will go back to whatever you were on. Trust me I have relapse 4 times but I am determined to get my life back because I only have 1 life and I want to be awake and aware of everything so I can have stories to tell my kids and grandkids stories that don't start with"omg I was so high that night that I...etc Good luck everyone and don't listen to anyone who says anything bad about suboxone it saved my life
I was on heroin for about a year and shooting it at least 8 times a day. I ended up having to go to the hospital cause I got really sick and while in there they put me on 40mg of methadone per day for the 9 days that I was in there. I went to rehab after that and the withdrawals from methadone were bad. I would rather have withdrawn from Heroin..it may be a little more painful, but it's shorter. So, I relapsed about 2 weeks after rehab and started shooting heroin again. I went to a doctor that I found on Suboxone.com and they got me on Suboxone and it helps so much. It is rather expensive, though. I have really good health insurance and it was still $170 for 30 pills. But, I'm supposed to be taking an 8 mg two times daily, but didn't want to hurt coming off of Subs whenever that happens, so I take one when I'm craving and it makes it go away almost instantly and I can go about 5 days without taking one and then I crave or get really tingling feeling, restless, and aggitated. Anyways, Subs have helped a lot. I know a ton about this stuff, heroin, and oxy's...so if you have questions, just ask. I'm more than happy to help.
In response to: recoveringincalifornia, No Suboxone does not show up on a drug test. They have to test specifically for Suboxone and it does not show up as an opiate. I've talked to my doctor about this and have a few friends on probation who are taking suboxone daily and still pass their drug tests. You'll be fine. If you have any other questions, let me know.
Subutex/Suboxone really is a wonderfull drug for those who KNOW what withdraw is. I was on 3-4, 10mg tabs every 2 hours and tried many many times to quit. Withdraw will make you seriously slap yo mama to do what ever to stop it from happening. Finding Subutex was the best thing ever, no withdraws and I feel normal, not high, but normal again. But hey, if you can come clean off a nerve med (nurontin) %) good for you, let me know how long it last :)
I was 5 years clean with no opoid replacement treatment and even after 5 years I gave in to my addiction. Once you have that addiction it will never go away. So for those few of you who can get away with no replacement medication than great for you, but for the majority of opiate addicts it is a daily battle to resist giving in to our addiction. Scientifically proven, addiction is when the brain interprets a substance as a necessity for living such as food and sex. If you do not have that substance in your system your addiction part of your brain will override all normal thinking and create a need to live emergency for that substance. IF you don't believe me then google it or go ask a professional, do some homework. This is why replacement therapy can be so sucessful. Of course the choice to use the opoid substance in the beginning was a choice unless it happened through pain treatment but once your brain turns it into a need to survive substance, which happens before you even know it, it is too late and you are addicted(time dependent on dosing and genetic components). ADDICTION IS A DISEASE! Would you criticize a diabetic for taking insulin to survive, well why would you criticize and judge a person for taking a medication to help treat the disease of addiction. Also once your body became accustomed to receiving opiates from an external source your body stops making its own "opiate-like" neurotransmitters...so even after sucessfully detoxing your body of all opiates you will not feel normal for years if your even lucky to recover normal neurotransmitter function. In some cases the body will not recover its normal neurotransmitter function (another aspect dependent on dosing and length of abuse) and so you never feel "normal" again. Very low pain tolerance, no feel good sensations etc. Methadone and suboxone, subutex are opiod agonists. They replace the need for opiates while allowing the individual to function in daily activity without the daunting cravings overshadowing that person's every thought and action. Suboxone is buprenorphine with naloxone. The naloxone is an antagonists which means it will remove any opiates on any opoid receptors. So if you are trying to get off of methadone or any other opiate (i.e, morphine, heroine, oxycontin,etc) then it will remove them from your receptors and you will go into immediate withdrawels. The buprenorphine will then reattach to these open receptors and withdrawels will subside. You will need to be dosed correctly with close monitoring within the first 48 hours of treatment (usually once a dose that resulted in diminished withdrawels will be the correct dose). Buprenorphine is a partial opoid agonists and will not show up as an opiate on a drug screen unless that drug screen tests for buprenorphine too (last I knew the drug tests which screened for buprenorphine had not been validated by gov. meaning unreliable results). So the drug test being used must test for buprenorphine as well to have it show up on in results. Subutex does not contain the naloxone and is alernative buprenorphine treatment which can be used for women who are pregnant or people who have allergic reactions to the naloxone. I have been on both and I did not feel the difference between the two, both were effective at subdueing cravings and restoring a "normal" balance in my body with respect to pain tolerance and responsiveness. Opiate addiction is a life long disease. and although there is no cure for addiction (not yet anyways) , there are great options to help those who suffer from addiction to be able control and treat their addiction giving them a better chance to succeed at obtaining a clean and healthy life style. I am there with you all battling addiction everyday. Sure there are going to be slip ups, like I said I made it 5 years clean and slipped up for a year before attempting to get clean again. Even with opiate replacement medication there is still that part of me that craves it again. There always will be, my replacement medication helps to make the cravings weaker and more managable so that I am less likely to slip up then when I was without any replacement medication. But I still have to make that decision everyday as to whether or not I want to/and will use again. And just like any other disease you will have your good days and then you will have your bad days & you might find one medication to work better for you then another. Just remember you are not the only one dealing with this and you have every right to obtaining a normal and happy life again no matter what jugemental (ignorant) people have to say. Good Luck to all of ya !
I am currently taking subutex prescribed by my doctor. I live in louisiana. the medicine is too expensive, and i was wondering if anyone may know a clinic or anything that i can get free or cheaper medicine?
I am currently taking subutex prescribed by my doctor. I live in louisiana. the medicine is too expensive, and i was wondering if anyone may know a clinic or anything that i can get free or cheaper medicine?
i'm currently on subutex but because i've been on subutex 8years now they're having no eefect so in theory i wake up withdrawing and feel shit .
So my doctor has moved me back to methadone , which i'll add i didn't want to do but had no choice i took my last subutex 2mg today at 11am but last night 24 hiurs ago i had 10mg as i'm on 12mg aday and i split my dose so i have subutex 2x aday i did this because i fount the sheleve life subutex once gave me has now gone so i need to feel normal and by feeling normal i have to take 2x aday.
Anyway i wasn't aware subutex didn't have naltraxone in it so i was ok to take my methadone as soon as my withdraws started from subutex .
I've just took 3omg of meth 2 mins ago and i'm hoping my withdraws i'm currently feeling now will dissapear once meths kick in .
As anyone ever took SUBUTEX not subxone SUBUTEX and used methadone or herion and been ok as i'm worried the subutex in my system still will push the methadone out and mi'll be withdrawing.
Thanks everyone you've helped me decide i'm ok to take meth on subutex i took 12hours ago i just hope i don't fucking rattle cold turkey as a result.
Email me if you've any expericeneces to help at email@example.com
thanks guys and sorry for spelling i'm withdrawing and worrying.
does anyone know how long it takes to become dependant on suboxin.
if i take one a day for two weeks then stop. aside from wanting opiates again am i gonna be twitchin for suboxin
Hate to keep asking but am I correct to believe that suboxone does not show up on aN 11 PANEL DRUG SCREEN?
i heard that 1 doc can only prscribe 30 patience to subetek or suboxone is this true?
i've been on suboxone for the past two months almost. i'm prescribed it through a suboxone clinic. and no it does not show up in a 11 panel drug screen (i've had at least 10 since i've been on it) or most other drug tests. my doctor told me it only shows up if its specifically tested for.
I've been taking 2mg of Suboxone a day for the past two weeks to get off of OxyContins. I've bought them from a friend. Does anyone know if I will go through withdraws if I quit taking them now? I'm scared to find out. Please email me. email@example.com
Wow....a ton of information here, some of it not so good. But this is how we learn I guess....by sharing with others!
In my experience, you cannot compare suboxone to methadone. Methadone is far, far worse....in a number of different ways.
I work in a detox center and treat opiate addicts every day, so I see this stuff over and over again.
This forum is so typical of suboxone forums: it contains a little bit of useful and accurate information, and a LOT of misinformation. For example, two people here have commented that suboxone "gets into your bones". Jesus Christ...where do some of you people come up with this crap?!?
And then there's the guy above who complained about those who "talk out their ass". And guess what? He then proceeded to talk out of his own ass for two paragraphs!
Here's the real scope folks. Sub is useful, but it really should be used short-term (less than 30 days). If you've taken it longer, it's not the end of the world. You'll just need to taper that much slower.
And the key to using Sub successfully is to taper slowly. Most people are fine until they hit 2mg. Tapering down from 2mg requires a little more willpower. But if done correctly (i.e. slowly), it's really not that bad. And while you will have some mild withdrawal symptoms when you taper off Sub, they are not anywhere near as bad as with other opiates. Yes, you'll feel "uncomfortable", but you won't be shaking like a scared chihuahua, completely unable to function.
You just have to make peace with the fact that there is no 100% easy way to get off meds. However, Sub does make it easier than it would other wise be.
BTW, when it comes to Sub, you should ignore 80% of what you read on the Internet. Because the fact of the matter is that hundreds of thousands of people have successfully used Sub, and then successfully weaned themselves off of it. The reason you see mostly horror stories on the web, is because people tend to "speak out" only when they've had a bad time. You rarely read about the thousands and thousands of people who do a course of treatment with Sub, get off of it, and then move on with their lives. And the reason you rarely read about these people is exactly that: they've moved on with their lives, and feel no need to re-live the experience on the Internet.
So stay positive. Used correctly, Sub is a great help in getting your life back on track.
I agree with most of what you said. Subs are great for getting your life back together. And staying on them for a month, I also agree with. I was on them for almost 4 years. My doctor didn't warn me of the dangers of taking them for so long. In fact, I can remember him telling me that I may need to stay on them forever and there will be no WD symptoms. Call me naïve, but I believed him. I wasn't a hard core opiate user at the time- just young and stupid.
Anyway, I really hope that people who choose subs become more educated on the matter. I have been to 2 different Sub doctors (bc I moved) and both told me the same thing. So therefore, I think some doctors have less info than us.
I have been off Subs for almost a month. For the 1st 5 days, I was crappy (resteless legs, low energy, NO sllep), then had a bad day (9th) then started feeling much better. I think once your body allows you to get sleep, you start feeling better. That may take a week or two. Now my lingering symptom is less sleep (6-7 hours) and low energy. But I'm so glad I am clean, I just wonder how much easier it would have been if I wasn't on them for so long!
im trying to quit using subutex now .. i didn't start yet because i just don't have the confidence im afraid of being bored and not having that routine everyday. i've gone thru the suboxone thing before but now its like it doesn't work i swear i go thru withdrawl for hours and hours and hours and i take it and it still makes my withdrawl worse. so i'm hoping the subutex will work better. any advice? also, i've been on heroin for about 3 or 4 years and i do a lot.
ok so i've read "yea you can test for the suboxone" and yes it will show up, then i read "no, its going to show up for an opite" i have been reading this hold darn thing and it's still confused as hell ... i'm in drug court and they test for everything but only sometimes for alcohol and methadone. is it safe for me to take it if they don't suspect me taking it??? i need some serious help and info sooon plz can some one email me asap it would safe my life !! email@example.com or email@example.com
thank you to all who respond!
I,too, need to know if suboxone will show up on urine tests. I have (from a friend) used suboxone 3 days ago (8mgs)and again today-Wednesday (8mgs), I am going to wait until Saturday to take 2 mgs. and take my final 2 mgs when I feel I need it. Hopefully this works anyway. I get probation test next week on site, so that is a ready-test do not know how many panels it is. I am also starting a once a week substance abuse class, that is going to test me. That will be this coming Tuesday. I have told the substance abuse class that I have been free of roxys, and I have for 5 day. But I just want and feel the need to finish my last suboxone. Do you think it will show in either test? I just don't want them to find out - I want to be clean for my tests I go for 24 weeks and hope this will help me.
you people should learn to spell. i am a recovering heroin, methadone, and oc addict; those are the worst feelings of withdrawal i have ever endured. suboxone saved my life and i've been on it for 2 1/2 yrs. i spent at least $150/day on my addiction and would've spent more if could have. i was blessed to have found suboxone and would advise anyone who needs help to try it before methadone. a true opiate addict knows that it's impossible to quit cold turkey. good luck to all that wants, really wants a clean life.
i need help
im addicted to pills and need help, i do about 5 opana 40s a day and to those who do not know what an opana is, its oxymorphone i compare one of these 40mg pills to about 1 1/2 oxy 80s they are very powerful and highly addictive, my brother and i both struggle with this very bad addiction but today he had gotten 2 suboxone 8s, we each took one under the tung and it really helped a lot, iv been feening like a bitch and the suboxone todally took the feen away i need help getting them but i don't know if i can because im only 17 if anyone can help me with anything i would greatly appriciate it. Thanks
Hello, I just read your postings you had written about how you were considering taking suboxone. Please take my advice on this as a person who has experienced this and is going through now as I type. Fuck the drug companies and whatever bullshit they try to tell you about taking suboxone longterm. Use it as a taper to come off oxy's. That is it. Taking two mgs everytime you start to feel sick for a week should be sufficient. It is a long lasting opiate so if you have a mild oxy addiction only take it when you physically feel sick then get off it as fast as possible. That is the way this drug was initially meant to be prescribed. No one ever told me that. Now the drug companies are marketing this as a longterm solution. It is not. Believe me you will feel good taking this drug for about six months, after that like any other drug tolerance will set in and you will need to take more and more of it just to get out of bed. No more taking one pill and feeling "normal" for two days. This process will happen fast and you will just continue to have to take more and more and more. Withdrawing from this shit is absolute hell. It will take you about six weeks just to not be in constant chilly bone grinding pain coupled with wild crying mood jags and terrible depressed thoughts. You will find yourself doing the dishes and crying uncontrollably for no reason. It is hell!!! Mind you I stopped at four mgs after 8mths of use. After that you basically will feel numb for another month. No enjoyment from food, sex, whatever it is that blows your hair back, just gone. Nothing. I couldn't take that second month. With the alienating the people closest to you. Not being able to work worth a fuck. Gone. So I sit here tonight wondering how the fuck I am going to get off these pills that cost me 500 a month, that cost me food from my kids mouth. I am thinking about doing a reversal and going on oxys again for twenty days and then tapering with suboxone the way people are supposed too. We will see. The longer you take sub the more magnified all these things will become. If you can quit taking them now. Quit taking them now. Best of luck to all of you. Feel free to email me anytime I would be courious to know how you are doing with all of it.\ Sean email: email@example.com
I have several comments to make. I first took pain pills when i was 17. I am now a 26 year old mother of a beautiful daughter, pregnant with my second, living in a nice home and have a awesome fiancée. ALL BECAUSE OF SUBOXONE!! I was taking perks, oxycotin, vicodin, you name it. I would drink on top of it all. I was to the point to where my life revolved around pills. My daughter didn't have a mother. With all this my fiancée was by my side doing the same thing. We had nothing, I mean nothing! Living with our parents, no car, no money no nothing. As soon as my fiancée got paid we were off to find our pills. I was in a terrible car accident on September 11, 2008. I had pain meds coming out my ass. That's when everything changed. My fiancée was the first to go to the suboxone doctor. The day that he took the meds he hasn't touched anything since. The doctor was expensive but people were willing to help him cause he was making the right choice. He began to help me too by giving me a dose out of his medicine daily. We have both been clean since October 2008. I am pregnant with my second child and wasn't sure what to do about being on the suboxone. Plus, I didn't have a prescription of my own. Everyone told me i could switch over to methadone since i was pregnant because it was safer. I wasn't up for that, i had taken methadone to get high. So i found out i could take subutex. I also still have a DSS case that has been lingering for 5 months. I have a nurse that comes to my house every Monday to drug test me. She knows that i am taking the suboxone. Everytime she test me my drug test comes back negative. She told me she would have to send it off to find out about the suboxone. This drug test is for court. They have to use if to prove that i am not on drugs. I want to know if there is someone out there that has taken subutex and gave birth or is currently pregnant and is taking subutex. Am i the only one?
just went through precipatated withraw from 7 years of methodone, i will tell you there was nothing worse. It was my fault I told the doctor i was off methodone for 72 hours and i went down on my dose really i was on 110mg and dose the day before so try hard and do what the doctor tells you i know its hard we are addicts. Good luck three days later and im feeling great.
ive been reading through all the comments and i was shocked to read a comment i'd wrote 2 months ago.anyway luckly i got off the methadone and back onto subutex 16mg aday .
subutex.subxone is miles better than methadone and i'd go as far to say methadone should be banned i hate the stuff.unlucky for me thoe ive ben on subutex 8years now looking back i should of only been on subutex for 3weeks max .subutex subxone is a wonderul detox drug just don't dow hat ive done and satay on them indeffently .
Hi guys,
I was on heroin for about 3 years then clean for 6 years. I relapsed about 15 months ago and was on and off it for about 8 months when I got onto subetex. i started on 4mg per day and went down over a 6 month period to 0.5mg per day. Today is my 4th day without and let me tell you, it's hell! Stomach is absolutely screwed and it's like I get anxiety attacks etc. It's not like standard withdrawal when you come down from stuff, but it's pretty bad. I have no idea how long this will last as where I am subetex is not available and I had real difficulty in getting it in the first place. I want to be completely clean, but don't know how long I can take this and work 45 hours per week.
Don't really know what non-opiate drug I can take to help, but I really hope it starts to get better soon. I'm in real pain and discomfort 24/7 and I can't get anymore subs plus I think I will just have to go through all of this again and I don't want to. Any ideas?
5 days off and still shaking. Not functional at all. Weened down to 1 mg. Was on them for 1.5 years. Used opiates since 2003. Suboxone is good until you come off of it.
I have done this 3 x now and each time has been aweful.
DO NOT TAKE SUBOXONE OR SUBUTEX OR METHADONE. The only way out of the cycle of addiction is to go through it. I kicked methadone cold turkey. It was hellacious but I do not EVER wake up sick in the morning, I do not EVER need to take a pill or a liquid or a shot or anything to feel normal. Also, you only THNK methadone and subuxone make you feel normal. TRUST ME, you have forgotten what NORMAL feels like. You have forgotten what FREEDOM feels like. PLEASE trust me. PLEASE give yourself the chance to LIVE. PLEASE find an NA meeting and a sponsor. You can go to a hospital and safely detox for a few days. YOU HAVE TO GET SICK. IT IS THE ONLY WAY OUT AND I PROMISE YOU THAT WHAT IS ON THE OTHER SIDE IS MORE BEAUTIFUL THAN ANYTHING YOU HAVE EVER KNOWN OR IMAGINED. I PROMISE. I know. I kicked methadone cold turkey along with ambien and xanax. I know dope sick. I know desperation and today I KNOW FREE AND HAPPY. PLEASE DON'T SELL YOUR SOUL to another chemical.
I want to say that no matter how long your clean it never goes away. I stayed clean for 4 years after 3 trips to rehab and suboxone treatment. Surprise I have been diagnosed with a pain disorder and I'm at it again. Just know yes suboxone is amazing for withdrawals. Only you can keep yourself clean. I knew I shoulda never started on narcs again but a doctor was giving me them and so I justified. Yes suboxone shows on some drug screens depending on which tests are being used. I worked in a pharmacy and when we would get that question we were to say yes. There is hope I am going to get suboxone again and continue to try and defeat this demon. Never give up if I would have given up I would be dead. I know that in my heart if you wanna stay clean no drug is going to ultimately do it for you. I hate methadone I watched my father be on it for 15 yrs, no weaning down process and it ended up he intentionally overdosed when I was 15 yrs old. It just fed his addiction. You have to want it, be ready for it and stay humble. Just cause you feel better doesn't mean you are.
I have been reading on this site a lot lately as I am a 12 year opiate addict who has been on it all. Including methadone and suboxone and subutex.
Yesterday I was reading on this site and clicked on a blue highlighted word which led me to a site. A pharmacy site. Are they real, can I actually buy all the stuff they have on there with out a script?
Has anyone ever done this before, just looking for something to help me if I am experiencing PAWS after coming off my sub, which I have been tapering. Long and slow. Been on it for six months, tapering down for two.
what we put our attention on grows.
I know for those of you who get subutex pills, instead of suboxone, you can taper your doses lower than .5mg. Take even smaller pieces of that pill for many more days to taper off! You do not need a pill cutter or anything, just keep making those pieces smaller to tiny to dust. It does help really. I wouuld have hated to have just dropped off at half a milligram
For anyone that,s coming off Suboxone you need to know that at 2mg daily your going to suffer w/d. You NEED to go much lower to have a less painfull w/d. Been there done that.
Yes Sub. is addicting don,t beleive anyone who tells you different, my wife and i both are on them again after F-n up
with our sub Doc and getting cut off.That's how i know 2 mg will still give bad w/d.
Having said all that Sub.Is a better option IMO than OPIATES.
Also shop around for pricing on Sub. it varies widely ! I found a local non chain Pharmacy that sells them for $6.00
per 8mg pill and you can fill any amount you want as many times as you want until your script runs out.
I hope some of this info. helps.
Well, I have been trying to get off opes for a while. At this point, I have been constantly using for almost a year, addicted... with about 2 years before that where I would so some OC here and there (10-40 mg doses here and there, but I never new what withdrawal was like till about a year and a half ago)
The last 2 months I have really wanted to get off (sadly my number one reason for this is I'm out of money, I know that not the best reason to get clean, or at least stay clean)... Anyway, lately I have been on and off of any opiate I can find... from OCs, to Opana (oxymorphone), fentnyl, and heroin. I sniff these (except the fentnyl, which I will either wear the 3 day patch, or chew pieces of it). I really am happy I never started shooting anything (considering the withdrawels I have gone threw, I feel really bad for those with serious habits of shooting bundles a day) luckily I'm afraid of putting a needle in myself, and haven't had a friend do it. So far this summer I've tried waining my self off again and again... gotten myself down to even just 20 mg of OC a day (considering my habit was something equivalent to 160mg-400mg of OC a day) 20 mg was almost nothing, and I was happy of that. Of course very time I wained myself down, i would either get a hold of a decent amount of money, or a friend would renew his or her prescription, and come over to 'get effed up'
Sadly, right now, I have been doing roughly 80 mg of Opana (which I feel like 1 mg of opana is anything from 3-6 times stronger than 1 mg of OC... maybe more, but people have different reactions I suppose)... anyway, this is far from my low dosing of 20 mg of OC a day, but I am broke, and really don't want to waste any more money anyway (tho I'm sure if I had the money I would be buying more). Luckily, when I picked up ~20 of these pills, I traded one of them for 5 subs, 8 mg a piece. I have tried them before, but never for more than a day, now I am planning on trying my best to quit. I was out of all opiates (other than the subs) tonight prior to going to sleep, but I begged a friend for a bag of H just so I could sleep (then do the subs later today)... well, I woke up at 6 am, and didn't feel like I had enough opes in me to go back to sleep (even tho it had been on 4 and a half hours since I did the bag). Anyway, I was dumb enough to do a little bit of one of the subs I had. Well, after 15 minutes I was ina much worse state of withdrawel (premature withdrwael, or whateve you want to call it).. i felt soo stupid that I took the sub before waiting atleast 12 (pref 24) hours after dosing. Anyway, for the last hour and a half, I've been reading all the info I can to make myself feel better.
Anyway, I finally don't feel as horrible as I did 15 min after taking the sub (took about 1-1.5 mg max) but I still feel like I should be taking a little more to get rid of WD symptoms. I'm almost afraid to, considering how bad I felt from the first mg. I am wondering if I take more, if I will again be put into a premature withdrawel, or if I already went threw 'the bad' part, and can take a little more without worrying.
Also, I only have 40 mg total of subs, and after that, I really don't want to be doing anything else (well, I do wish i could get my hands on a bupe, like xanax or something... just to take the edge off, and I never had a problem with any of those drugs, nothing like opes, that's for sure). Anyway, can anyone recommend any form of a daily dosing structure with a taper?... I was considering starting a 4 mg dose today (maybe with another 1-2 mg before bed) and to go from there. All I know is, i need to get off these opes, and I feel like I've been on them for too long, and apparently am too weak minded o just get off them myself.
One of my biggest concerns is I am doing whatever possible to not have to go to rehab or anything. I would prefer to keep my addiciton off the record (and hopefully never have to look back after this). One major this is, I;ve been away at college for 4 years now, and am about to move back in with my parents in 2 weeks(I never had an addiciton while I live with them).. i would prefer they never knew about this problem, and I want to be completely clean by the time I move home.
Anyway, sorry for the long post, but i could use any advice/support that you guys can give. thanks!
Sorry for the spelling errors etc above, as well as calling xanax a bupe.. i think i was thinking of benzos, i think that's that right term but that's not important.
Also, I really am confused, and hoping some of the things i hear are't true.... I mean, does everyone thing addiction is a disease that you will never be cured of?... I don't like thinking of it that way.. first off its a little depressing thinking I'm going to fiend opiates for the entire rest of my life... I hope that's not true.
Also, if I'm not mistaken, the first step of a 12 step program is admitting you have NO control over your addiction, and CAN'T fix the problem yourself. While I have been struggling drastically with this addiction, I still don't want to admit I am helpless, I still have a little faith in myself that I can get off these things with my own will (and maybe a little help from suboxone for a couple of days to help with withdrawel)... I''ve kicked the habit before, but every time its been harder, and this time I've been on opes daily for longer than I have ever before.
hey everyone, my name's nick and i've been using tar for the last 2 months about. i smoke about 3 to 4 balloons a day, i have 3 8mg suboxin and a grip of 10mg valium...do you think ill be able to withdrawal alone and be ok with only the 3 suboxin? like if i take bits of it at a time??? please let me know,m email if u have to, i really need help. thank you. my email is email@example.com
oh and i have 12 50mg trazedone....get back to me someone, thanks again.
Addiction is a live long disease and you cannot help yourself, by thinking you can just stop with no help. The sooner you understand that, the better off you will be. I am an addict with many years experience. All started in 2002 after a car accident. I was perscribed Perc's, took them as perscribed at first then within 6 years, I lost my nursing liscense, lost custody of my 2 young children, lost my home,thousands and thousands of dollars and three rehab stays. My habit was up to 30 5mg perc's a day. I decided to try Suboxone 19 months ago and have been clean from perc's ever since. I went from 16mg of Suboxone a day now down to 2 mg per day. Never looked back. My life has changed in so many ways. I am currently up for reinstatment of my nursing liscense with the state board. Have paid off a $45,000.00 in credit card debt. Have regular, frequent visitation with my children and have my own apartment back. Suboxone works...I am living proof. Good luck to all of you out there still suffering from this horrible disease. God Bless.
I was wondering if anyone knows whether Subutex gets out of your system quicker than Suboxone? The Subutex not having the Naloxone it, I'm thinking (hopefully) that it leaves your body quicker. (that's what I heard). I'm in Drug Court and they do test for the Buphenorphine.
subozone is good works 4 me if an only if u take them as ur docter prescribed
I see all kind of Doctors do the wrong things, and that is abusing their power to control their income by proscribing pain medecine to many inocent people who aren't at fault at all... Suboxone/sobutex aren't alike though simealer to eachother, the only difference is sobutex is more addictive and prolongs the treatment. I proscribe it all to those who comes to my office with the opiates addiction. This is the best way out. Trust me I know.
How do u get on suboxone?My son has bought it off the street.Please help me to help him.
I am a recovering heroin addict, in the UK. I was using 0.5g a day. Now I am on 35mg of Methadone a day, and keep meaning to go down, but haven't got round to it yet. It does seem stupid that everyone at the methadone clinic is still just coming there daily, not really going down on their dose.
They offer subutex at my clinic. Should I consider this? I need to come off these opiates, but can't be bedridden in the mean time.
And I have done cold turkey once and have to say I can't do that again.
Ditto, switching to Subutex and tapering or tapering from methadone is, IMHO, a very similar situation. WD is unavoidable at the end of the day - I have been through all of this many times and there is no such thing as a pain free WD. I am not usre how Sub is governed in the UK, but here in Canada you can, after an initial induction period, get scripted a months supply at a time rather than head to a clinic or pharmacy daily for a dose as is the case with methadone, so in this respect, it gives the addict a bit more freedom in their lives. That said, there are still the monthly doc visits here and the occasional drug test, but if I were looking at a maintenance situation, I would opt for Subs any day.
I have Suboxone im in Orlando...Hit me me firstname.lastname@example.com
I have been addicted to pain pills (Hydrocodone, Oxycodone, OC, Morphine ect) for about 8 years now, the last 4 years heavily. Usually it's hydrocodone though and I take about 40 pills a day at 10/325 mg. I have never actually tried quitting or even thought about getting sober until about a month ago. So far I have had 1 attempt at getting clean and I went to a Social Detox and I only lasted 2 days and I couldn't take the W/D anymore. I left and went right back to popping my pills again. I felt better instantly but at the same time I felt like shit because I let everyone around me down. I had hopes to achieving my goals at getting sober and I failed. Most say "if you want it bad enough you will just stop" or "I don't see how you can be addicted to a pill". And honestly NO ONE will understand what anybody else is going through because the experience and feeling is different for each person.
Tomorrow will be my second attempt at sobriety. I have a Dr. appt to be put on Suboxone. I have done some reading on site's though and from what I have read you do have to be clean at least 24 hrs before being able to take it without going through instant W/D which I'm not. (I can't go 24 hrs without feeling like shit, I'm just not strong enough. If I was I would just suffer the week of detox and be done with it.) With the Subutex you can take it within 5 minute's of "using" and you won't be put into the W/D instantly. That is one thing and separates the two from each other. I'm not sure what the Dr. will decide to do tomorrow. Hopefully whatever it is will be my stepping stone to getting my life back and finally started at the age of 24.
I think this will work, not just for me but for anyone that's really wanting to get clean. You have to want to do it for yourself for it to work. Anyone doing it just for Court, Probation or even just to pass a UA is just a temporary solution for the time being and it won't be effective long term because your not doing it for YOU. Your only doing it because it's being forced upon you.
So for the people that are getting clean for YOU. I wish you all the best of luck and I hope everything works out for you. :)
Suboxone IS NOT just another methadone epidemic..Its worked wonders FOR ME AND PEOPLE I KNOW..just because your friends are abusing it doesn't mean everyone is. It' helped me and saved my life..you shouldn't judge it just because you know people that ABUSE it. And they shouldn't be on it if they're TRYING to get high..they arent truly wanting to get off drugs then.
You cannot test positive for opiates if you are taking suboxone. I was on Suboxone for 2 years and had to take random urines to screen me for the levels of suboxone and be sure I wasn't positive for heroin so that's CRAPOLA sorry hun, yuo're wrong!
Maybe you are having a 6 or 8 panel screening done and they are looking for suboxone, but it wouldn't show for OPIATES, you should find out what's really being tested. ARE U USING DOPE or what!!
Suboxone saved my life ... I have been on opiates for 25 years .. BAD w/d each time i tried to quit and put my life together. I could NEVER do it cold turkey or NA or rehab (3 times).. I even did methadone treatment twice and used coke and benzos with it to make it "funner". I finally found something that has helped me get my life together and i do not give a shit if its another chemical or not. I can NOT do it alone and this is the ONLY thing that has helped me get my shit together .. I let my kids, wife, family down EVERY day until i discovered suboxone . I can work, love, be a dad etc .. . I hate those people that compare this to methadone addicts and selling their scripts. Are you born under a rock? everything has its bad spots BUT suboxone works and i will swear by it and thank god everyday for finding it and helping me get my shit together - here is my email if you have questions or want to talk about it ..email@example.com ---------- and by the way suboxone/subutex does NOT show up on a urine test unless its the test that rarely is given and i should know, i work in a clinic that does the urine tests for new hires , accidents or suspision of drug use ...
I have been on Suboxone for over 3 years now. It saved my life. I am back to thinking clearly & have my life back. My Dr. thinks it should be used long term. I would like to come off the Suboxone one day, but the disease won't go away! I would rather be on the sub & use it as I am supposed to, then stop & my disease take over & ruin my life again. Thanks to the Dr. who care & help addicts!!
cher was that test given for pre-employement ????
maybe they were suspifically looking for it???
Hey Ive been reading all of these and Im surprised at some of the negativity of suboxone use.I have been on suboxone since dec of 08' and it has kept me off of everything else,Ive got out of debt and most of all Im not chasing or craving.That to me is priceless.I think some people just don't understand that opiate addiction is very unmanagable. When I was using I got so addicted I wrote presciptions. They were false and was getting 90 each week for 4 months. I knew in my heart that is was very wrong and serious but my addictive thinking led me to tell myself it would be okay because I needed them and couldn't live without em'..I was also getting them online,without a real script and when all this eneded and reality was my only option I turned to Suboxone after a month of being severely sick..For me without suboxone its impossible to funtion. Before now I couldn't sleep, hallucinations,irribilty,chest pain, coldsweats,panic attacks..I not only had to quit I want to.It is just to hard to live without my Suboxone.I now live a normal life without guilt and shame. It saves me everyday. I work the 12-steps and participate in meetings a couple times a week.Im still recovering and always will be. Suboxone has been the best thing in the world for me,besides the constipation,so I do recommend it to anyone that has a drug problem, it can work if you want it to!!I take a moment and pray for the suffering addict..May you find peace.The sun will shine tomorrow and never give up on something you truly believe in.
To the person asking about ordering pills online:
Do not attempt. It is illegal and when I did I received a
letter from the Homeland Security Act saying they had been seized. I was afraid I was going to jail. Lucky that did not happen, but I'm sure if I ordered again, a second offense would probably land me there for life.
To those praising suboxone as being a miracle drug I have one question. Are you still taking the suboxone ?
From the comments I see most are still on it and think they are cured. I wouldn't praise it until you are able to live without it. Only then has it worked successfully.
If you are still taking it, it is the same as the Methadone Maintenance scam which I am currently a victim/supporter of.
When I got on it I thought it was supposed to be short term aand part of a detox. Over 5 years later I'm still on it. I'm down to 25mg from a highest dose of around 135mg.
Its a shame that the doctors don't help you taper off because they want you on it for life for the money they make off your misery. Every time I want to decrease I have to argue with the doctor who always has to recite his commercial for methadone -"It is the safest drug in the world with no side effects" Blah BlAH Blah
I am also in Drug Court and suboxone DOES show up on the drug test i got a positive result... So i had to quit the soboxone as well but the withdrawal is nowhere near as bad as my previous opiate withdrawals just feel a little cold and tingly. It is not that bad just deal with it. If you are unsure about the drug test i would take it before your first drug test because most places allow you to "fail" your first drug test because they know you are still dirty. If it shows up positive, then you know.
To Eric,
I have been on 16 mg of subs for 1.5 years and want OFF them. Please tell me about the withdrawal and how much you were taking when you went off of them? Thanks
So to all my serious intravenous drug users out there who love to shoot coke, and shoot dope.. there is a way out but... its still a rough one. Hey I just turned 21 and Ive been doing dope for 5 years, shooting it for 2.. Last January I had to kick a mean heron habit in jail for the second time. and for the second time when i got out on parole, I fucked up.. but hey now I'm on Nuerontin 800mg 3X daily, Klonopin 1mg 2X daily, and Suboxone 8mg 3X daily... I also take Adderall 20mg once daily. And hey I blaze kush and haze to ease my mind as well... so Im a fuckin lush, atleast I don't shoot dope doe.
Unless it is specifically screened for (which is rare), suboxone will not show up on a regular 5-, 7-, or 10-panel drug test.
However, let me say that after a few years of trying to kick a heroin habit with suboxone and failing time after time, I realized suboxone was just a crutch and a substitute for full opiates. It is NOT the answer. It is great as a detox aid if you have a large habit, but after that, get rid of it. Life is actually easier being off of EVERYTHING instead of being ON suboxone.
I took pain pills of all sorts for a good 2 1/2 years. During this time I would spend upwards of one hundred dollars a day to get high. I never, ever had a problem with addiction until I was introduced to lortabs. I had experienced all through my adolescense with marijuana, cocaine, and even meth, but never pills. I started using at the age of 26. I'm now going on 29 and have been on suboxone/subutex since August 4, 2009. I finally had enough and went to see a doctor at a suboxone clinic and got my life back. After taking the suboxone for less than a month, my fiancée and I became aware of the fact that I had become pregnant. I quit going to the suboxone clinic, and wouldn't you know, started to use pain pills again. Even though I had been on the suboxone for a good month or so, I wasn't strong enough to not begin to use again. Being fed up with myself and with what I was doing to my unborn child, I went to another suboxone doctor and he prescribed me the subutex. I've only been going to him for a month now, but just went for a check up for the baby and the baby is doing great. I'm not sure if there would be any harm done to my unborn child for my slip back into my lortab use, because my ob/gyn doc was informed, by me, of my abuse and asked me if i experienced back pain what I preferred to be prescribed. With hearing that I figured that lortab was safe to take while pregnant, just only as prescribed. However, I'm glad I only slipped once, because over all I feel better about myself and about the care I'm giving my unborn child. I can tell you this about the drug test, most docs at a suboxone clinic have a special "dip stick" test that they use on your urine to make sure the suboxone is in your system. I'm not 100% for sure if it shows up on a regular drug screen, but I do know suboxone/subutex is only in your system about 72 hours. I def would recommend taking this medication to get clean. It's given me my life back. And lord knows I was down the wrong road several times, and I had even given up hope on ever becoming clean. The therapy is expensive to get started on. I know that my meds each month without insurance would be almost 800.00. Thank god for insurance! To those of you considering this treatment, it's a god send! Good luck!
I was addicted to painkillers and heroin for years before going on methadone for about three years. By the time I got off, I was up to 125 mg a day and had gained about 150 pounds (a nasty side effect of methadone that hit me particularly hard). During those years of methadone maintenance, I never used, and remained "clean," though many in AA and NA saw it differently (which I can understand). I finally got off methadone by using subutex. At a detox facility I stopped the methadone cold turkey and did not experience withdrawal symptoms for almost ten days. Once they did kick in and were severe, I began the subutex, and it worked like a charm. My problem was that I tried to get off it too early, which, as some mention in this thread, can be a big mistake. Two months after starting subutex, I was down to 1/4 pill a day. I thought I could just stop and the effect would be minimal, and even my doctor agreed. Instead, I went through two weeks of hellish withdrawal that was worse than anything I had gone through before (maybe because it would not end). The point is that subutex does indeed work, but there's no rush to get off it. Take it from someone who knows.
Does anyone on here know how long it takes for lortab to leave your system? I've been taken suboxone for a month now, and after giving some pills to my brother to help him out as well, I've run out. In desperation and I'm sure true to being a drug addict, I went out and bought some tabs. Today is Tuesday, I took 70 mg hydro on Sunday. I have to go back to the doctor on Friday for my suboxone and I don't want it to be in my system. I haven't used in 2 months, and I wouldn't of had I not been out and feeling bad. I'm really upset with myself for using again and I'm praying that it's not in my system come Friday. I just read on a different site where somebody posted that it usually takes 72 hours per pill!! If this is so, I took 7 10 mg pills!! Please somebody, help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have been on suboxone for about a year and have noticed a lot of confused thinking and depression. Is this common
Hey, Subuxone, well u said that it is easier to just quit everything. How many years you shoot dope for? Me? Only 3. But the last year I was only able to keep my life together on Subs, not off altogether, after 8 months clean off everything i still wasn't myself before i did anything. SO i got back on subs and they have helped a lot. I know there are a lot of people out there who have tried everything to quit all opiates, like in london and amsterdam they would give people who tried everything pure daily heroin, well some people just can't quit once they've cahnged around their brain chemistry, it might take ten years before their brain reset 75% of itself. So don't forget about those peoples. But i do agree subs are an EXXCELLENT thing to help somebody through withdrawl, say only take them till the normal dope withdrawl would normally be over, then quit the subs, they just masked your withdrawl for you, that's how i did it when i was in my first year or two of doing dope, but after i kept giving in and relapsing which was my own fault, not physical it was just mental(me giving in to temptation) that now i don't think my brain can go back to normal like it once did, ive tried. Now subs help me have my life together, its easier being on them than off, and actually i feel kinda like a "super human being" throughout my days because i have almost all of the advantages of an opiate and almost none of the setbacks... like i can go around outside and not be cold, while everyone else is bundled up, i can go through my work day without groaning about it cause i feel fine, but not soo fine that im nodding off or anything... i can sleep like a baby every night, , and i can wake up without hitting snooze and ready to take my sub and start my day. It has completely saved my life. well peace out, im basically just sayin that not for everyone is it easier to be off of them completely. Sometimes you have just changed your brain so much. Well Pe@cE out. -N
But basically yeah subs can be a scam with doctors wanting to put you on maintenance for life, not even asking you first if you'd like that or rather taper off.
One of my first doctors was even so bold as to ONLY accept straight cash from his patients, and even then only take it from you alone in a room and put it right into his pocket, something like $400 a month at first. Doctors can only have a certain number of patients on it at one time, but this guy accepted everyone.
And then the amount they give you, two 8mg pills a day? What the heck. If you shoot like a matchead sized amount or less in the morning you are good all day. Just make sure you don't have any or only barely any opiates besides subuxone in you already or else you will go through a withdrawl. I swear I do it everyday and it works for me, and its way better because Im not addicted to two 8s a day, only about 1/2 an mg a day, and it does the same thing. Only thing you have to filter it really well so that you can see clearly all the way through, so its not cloudy, still orange or yellow, but not cloudy. Injecting it works, but im sure its probly not good to do forever, i know when I shot it cloudy my heart felt weak, so i make sure its clear. And also when I shot it in the morning before work after i did a bag the night before, i went through a five minute withdrawl where i got a sneezing fit, had to go to the bathroom, and got some shakes, but it was gone in 10 minutes and i wasn't sick. I woke up kinda sick that morning, basically not well enough to work, but still had a little in me from the bag the night before. But it made me good. I learned that if i had a little bit of dope in me but would still be kinda sick when i would normally get up, to take about 1/2 a quarter to a quarter orally about two hours or an hour before i would wake up and go back to bed. Then when i woke up I could shoot some for a little energy to start my day and be fine cause what i ate got rid of that little bit of dope.
Anyway, don't belive what they say. You can shoot it. As long as you don't have any opiates in you. And shooting it attaches it to more receptors than if you just ate some. Because ive noticed that if i was even withdrawling sometimes and I thought I had no opiates in me and i shot it, sometimes I would feel kinda cold shaky for a short minute, but definitely completely fine after i just put it out of my mind. And also say you had a little bit of dope in u from the day before, but u were sick and shot it, and u got a little 5 minute withdrawl, its not that bad for me, the next time you shoot it it is completely fine, that first one kicked all the last little bit of heroin opiate out of your system, and any ones you do later is just refreshing the sub already in you and there are no bad feelings. I told some friends about IVing it and they told me later that it works so good. I should say though that since I've started shooting it, I have not had a really bad like 10 bag a day habbit, so I don't know about doing 10 bags, waking up feeling dopesick and shooting it, i do know ive done it after a milder habit of like 5 or 4 a day and been fine, but do watch it, don't have a huge habbit and think u can shoot it in the morning fine, make sure you are really sick before hand, and be ready for it to kick all the last little bits of opiates out of your brain before it adheres to your receptors.
Another thing, ive shot it once every six hours all day long. Making sure it was clear orange or yellow, not cloudy. And also, once i ran out of pills a few times, i only did a total of like 1mg or 2mg a day probly shooting it, my habbit wasn't real bad, and i started using my cottons when I ran out, and i used them wisely spreading them out. THat totally helped me taper off of subuxone over like 2 or 3 days of just cottons and residue. I probly had like 8 cottons or so, but it really helped taper off that when i used them all up, i was doing like the tiniest bit of stuff from them, that i didn't even have subuxon withdrawls.
Hope this helps someone get off of dope. No need to make some drug dealer rich and buy him big flat screen tvs, pay for his nice car, and his sweet apartment and hot girlfriend. Might as well have that all yourself.
if u have any questions firstname.lastname@example.com but i get a lot of spam and only check it once a month, so ull have to probly send me a few emails because it will get lost in the spam. But that's pretty much everything i can think of about shooting it at the moment.
I was shooting dope for 5 yrs. I wanted to get clean so I made the mistake of getting on methadone. I would have never got on it if I knew what I know now. I was on it for 2rs. I was up to 150mgs so it took me almost 1yr just to get down to 30mgs. So, I skipped a dose and started suboxone. It was real bad for the first couple days but I stuck with it and now I feel great. I've been on sub. now for 3 wks. My goal is to get completely clean and believe me I'm ready. Have a couple questions to anyone with experience. First, when tapering down my dose how long should I stay at a dose b4 going down again? Second, I'm scared if I get off too soon I'll still feel wd from the methadone. So, how long will I have to be on sub. in order to not still get sick from the methadone? Last, just wondering how bad the wds will be from the suboxone if I don't stay on for more than 2 months?
Any medication-assisted treatment for addiction recovery is only good for a short time period, buprenorphine or otherwise. If taken too long, the person then becomes dependend (physically and/or mentally) and cannot function in life without taking some kind of drug, yet these are still toxic substances that carry side effects, so the ultimate solution would be one that would get a person off of everything. http://www.newfaceofrecovery.org
i think tat suboxone works gret but i have been hearin i would be better off on subutex Feedback?
I totally disagree with the people that say coming off suboxone is the same as coming of of heroin. I have been taking suboxone for 2 years now and it has saved my life. Unfortuntately I got new health insurance which did not cover the suboxone,so my doctor put me on subutex. Its a lot cheaper. I was worried that I might to go on methadone b/c you can get 90 10mg methadone tablets for only 17.00!!!!!!!!!!!! Addiction sucks but I would rather take subutex than shooting heroin everyday. Im also dependent on Klonipin 3mgs a day. Lord have mercy!!!!!!! I wish they would legalize marijuana and make alcohol illegal. God Bless.
someone needs to set up a suboxone facts page with just facts its a pain sifting through all these personal adecdotes
"Suboxone withdrawal symptoms" is another good hub here if anyone is needing more info or insight from others. Not trying to draw anyone away. I have found both informative and inspiring. Suboxone, and Subutex both help a great deal kicking the bigger drug of use but it's still a bitch to kick! I won't go into it here as i've told it there, but to all those fighting the battle, the long drawn out journey back to freedom... Don't give up trying, if you slip in a moment of madness and regret it after? We're only human it is hardly ever beaten first time, second, or even third. You (In my case anyway) have to really hit rock bottom to gain that strength to climb back to reality to the point where you're yourself again and you WILL be that person again with a bit more wisdom. Im still feeling WDs beit less than the first week. I kicked H on Jan 1st 2010 and Subs 2 weeks after. Sounding more positive than i feel tho lol.
I was 10 years clan and relapsed....its taken me 2 years to get clean again, i tried oramoprh, codeine phosphate and finally meth:....now im starting a subutex detox.... i would be lying if is aid i was not afraid! my job found out that i was on a meth: detox and now i'm off work, "holiday",however, i have to give a clean sample in a week and go through drug agencies, i had to buy my detox off the street or carry on using that junk. In uk getting a detox is not the case of going to the doc and buy one!!!...or contacting your medical insurance,can take a while to be assessed and prescribed in the uk...pros and cons hay!!! ive already contacted my doc and told him the situation, he said he will give me sick note when i need it and ave me something to sleep,however, the amount of junk/tablets/sleepers/pams/pans i been taking i don't think its gonna touch the sides.....well i live in hope.
oh just to add to the above, i wa attending meetings, had a sponser and worked he steps and traditions, done conventions, service......so im guessing yr thinking what the hell happened-or not...lol!!!...i stopped being honest,hope you can take something from that if you clean and living the program.
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Does anyone know what the maximum amount of heroin one should be taking before switchin over to SUBUTEX, not Subuxone, or anything else, I do know, its not a massive amount, and I know when u do the transistion frm Methadone, its roughly 30/35mls, and I know sum1 who honestly done it comfortably at 45mls, hardly felt any symptons.. So back to the question, has anybody switched from heroin to Subutex, and what's the highest amount of heroin had they been on, or do they know anyone who has been in this situation, as I have a Friend, who is sooooo desperate to switch, and they r takin roughly 3 bags of H a day, and wants to know if they wud be ok to switch, or is that to high..Pls get back to me, so worried fro my friend, cant bear to c her like this shes petrified, of goin into PERC WITHDRAWEL as she did before, but she took to early, never waited the rec. time.. pls wud welcome others experiences.. thank u
Methadone is hard to come off of. I was on 35 mg and went off to get on Suboxone. and I felt like I was going to die.
Im trying to get off of suboxone and it seems like the withdrawals are just as bad as OCs even tho i am weening myself down off of it. I have like 18mg of xanax to get me through it but i need energy so i can work!! does anyone have any ideas or remedies?
Toni...There isn't any drug tests that i know of that will show exactly what kind of opiate you are taking. If you take vicodin, oc's or hydros, they are all gonna show up as opiates. Methadone shows up as amphetamines and methamphetamines. At least that's what my sub doctor told me.
My insurance company has recently stopped covering suboxone. I have been on it for 4 years now and very happy with the results. Just need to find assistance with paying for it. Can anyone help? Can't go to manf. cuz i have insurance already. They wont help u if u have it. Help?!?
Jon...Try to stay on the suboxone if you can afford it. It is horrible coming off of it. At least wean off of it under doctor's care. Could be dangerous healthwise trying to do it cold turkey. Good Luck!
Jon- just get off the subs!~!! I been 2wks without and feel like a new person. The withdrawal sucks real bad even if you try and wean off but its worth it. Do you really see yourself a slave to these drug companies that just poison us, any longer??!! Here's some inspiration.....I am a single mom of a 3yr old whom works full time with handicapped people and also attend college full time...I kicked subs in 2wks. I wanted it so bad i could taste the freedom!!! If that's how you feel then just stop feeling sorry for urself and do it!!! you will, i guarantee, be sick but what's the difference if you had the flu? you would call off work a few days and tough it out!!! All addicts feel sorry for themselves when they are not ready to change!!!!
Steve I am sorry but there is a word for it.It's called something and it is as true as iam writing this Suboxone after long periods of being on it can and will get into your bones but only on high doe's so Steve your talking out of your arse. AS YOU HAVE SAID OTHER'S DO. I have been on subutex and suboxone for 6 years but now iam on 1.2 mil of subutex.
suboxone Does NOT take away my withdrawl symtoms im sweating and freezing all day long my body hurts im shaking and could barely function even after i take an 8 mg pill. i hear positive things about subs all the time. does anyone know why they do not work for me? i don't understand. i'm addicted to oxy and take about 160 milligrams a day. i need advice :(
.8 mg pill is NOT going to cut it for 160 mg or oxy..go get another doc. or talk to this one if he is reasonable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!PLEASE!
I tried many times on my own to get off of prescribed vicoden but had a hard time,,, the docs should have weaned me, or at least warned me from taking 4 pills a day to just stopping it... but no, they just stopped it which threw me into physical withdrawal, I went to many Psycy, Dr's, rehabs and they all told me to maintain on a Suboxone maintance dose and to wean off of it which I did... It totally worked! Suboxone works if you follow the correct doses and taper off... Good luck to all!
I was on Methadone for 1 1/2 years. Was up to 100mg, weened slowly down 1 mg every 3 days to 50mg, then eventually got to 35mg. I than found that my family doctor was suboxone certified and decided to go to him for the methadone. He prescribed me the methadone for a few months until I was ready to make the switch. My last dose was on a Sunday, then that Monday he prescribed me percocet 15mg, 6 a day. It worked for stomach sickness, but my muscles and bones were so damn tense it was excrutiating. I could not sleep good for 5 days. I went back to the doc a few days later and he up'd my percocet to 30mg, 5 times a day and gave me clonopin .5 mg at night to help with the anxiety. It really helped. It took me 2 weeks to get the methadone out of my system completely and to start the suboxone. Today is the first day on subs, and the doc gave me one in the office, then sent me home with 2 a day for 1 week. Today was horrible because I felt that tense, achy, painful feeling in my legs, joints, muscles and back. I decided to take an extra sub (3) and it helped. I also double up on the colonopin. The problem with Methadone is that it stays in your system too long, and if you have been on if for a prolonged time, it deteriates your bones and stays in your fat cells. 48 hours is not enough time to transition from methadone to subs. Explain to your doctor that low level oxycodone will not subside the withdrawl effects. For the transition, you need high level opiotes and a good support system. I am already feeling better after 3rd sub today, and I know it's just going to get better from here on out. Hang in there everyone and if you regimine your meds right, you can have low level withdrawl effects with optimum success. Good Luck
Hey everyone I just want to say first off too many people on here don't know what they are talking about and just assume things I am a 6 month Heroin addict and have experimented with suboxone a few times in between if taken correctly it is the greatest thing to happen to an addict ever my phone is about to die I will continue when I charge it
Cntd... so as I was saying if takin correctly suboxone is a miracle ... so the one thing that really has pissed me off about the drug is the misinformation given and I don't blame anyone in this chat I blame the doctors because they don't give correct information to you all.. for example my buddy was prescribed suboxone and his doctor didn't even inform him you must hold it under your tongue as long as possible (a full 8mg. Tab should last 20minutes) so I wonder if this is a lot of peoples problems who say it doesn't work ...I am going to switch to my comp this is taking toooo long
okay so i was saying you must hold this tablet under your tongue as long as possible... Anyway people this drug does work i have been using H since november and only took one small break of 5 days and 2 other breaks that lasted a day.. All 3 times i took suboxone AND IT WORKED I didn't even realize i hadn't done heroin except for the fact i missed the ritual of it and the nodding out etc... I saw a doctor 3 weeks ago and had to go into his office undergoing FULL WITHDRAWALS.. I wish they wouldn't make you do this because that is dangerous scheduling an appointment a week away and the doctor tells you keep using another week and when you come in here don't use for 18-24 hours or take a suboxone. Well i went in there about 15 hours sober and began with a 2mg tablet i was in horrible pain at first then took this and waited an hour and took a 4mg tablet and still wasn't feeling any better in fact after that 2mg tablet hit me i felt WORSE my bones were cold and i was so restless i was literally moaning in the room and couldn't stop shaking my leg unless i wanted to feel like beating the shit out of something... Finally the doctor came back in and asked how i was feeling and i said worse doc what is going on and he looked really nervous and offered me a blanket and pillow which i took instantly. I layed down put the blanket over me and cuddled up as tight as i could i then began feeling really tired and less irritable and restless then i passed out for about 5 minutes and was awoken by the doctor and as soon as i woke up i felt amazing! well not amazing but compared to what i was just feeling amazing is the perfect word. He prescribed me my suboxones (60 tablets of 8mg) and i go see him once every 2 weeks. The problem i had was i began using again the next day and since then have been scared to do the suboxone treatment again in fear that this time i won't snap back to normal and will have to suffer and since the naloxone will be in my system i will not be able to use to feel better. But this is just the fear of an addict because EVERYTIME i have used the suboxone it has worked perfectly and that day it took a little longer than it should because (in my opinion) i had horrible indigestion and acids that continued to come up and my digestive system just was not doing well and i hadn't eaten in a day and a half and what i had eaten was thrown up. Anyways this is the only problem i have with the suboxone is that it will not work effectively and in order for me to feel better i will want to use but i wont be able to because of the naloxone just thinking about that now makes me want to stop talking about it which i am going to and i will pick up and continue this tomorrow
I have used 10 years fentanyl and Subutex. Now I am Suboxon treatment a 16 mg/day and I have to say that Suboxon save my life. I have spent more than 90.000€ for opiates and lost my home, car and savings. Now I got my medicines for free and I have to go to Clinic only once a week and I got my pills. Suboxone is great med...
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A lot of misinfo going on here.Suboxone will not pop dia rty on a drug test for opiates.its easy to come off of if you do it nice and gradually.I started on 4 8mg tabs a day and in about 10 months i had slowly weened down to half a pill then just stopped and didn't even notice.im actually on it again because I had broke my back and had a 3 level spinal fusion.I was on 150MCG fentanyl patch every 48 hours and I received 150 30mg Roxicodones a month for breakthru pain.Big difference is whether you are opiate addicted(abusing)or opiate dependant which was the case with my back.I have had many years of sobriety off heroin,methadone and anything that will fit in a syringe.This last bought im already down from 4 pills to 3 because I prefer sobriety to dope sickness and jail and used my rather potent scripts to the letter.it can be a miracle drug but I think all opiate addicts should kick cold turkey at least once in their life so that seed of fear is planted that could sprout into sobriety. god bless you all and never give up.
So here's the deal. I went to the hospital 9 months ago in excruciating abdominal pain to find out that I had a tumor on my liver which was the result of a congenital liver disease exacerbated by alcohol use. Well let's call it what it is - binge drinking, hey I'm 23, what can I say?
They prescribed me Dilaudid which I took for 3 months. Under the care now of my family doc, his RN decided it was time to discontinue the Dilaudid as the tumor's size decreased, which it turns out is a pretty powerful narcotic, and prescribe me Ultram, which it turns out isn't. Needless to say, I felt horrible. Friend of mine, who I hadn't talked to in a while, has broken every bone in his body at least 8 times (BASE jumper and was in a HORRIBLE car accident two and a half years ago) and was on pain management and enjoying the winnings of a malpractice suit on his yacht while covered in women so I called him to ask his advice. He gave me some 30mg Percocet and said that was my ticket, so I started taking them regularly. Feel fine again.
This is a problem, but wait! It gets worse!
I'm on probation. Long story, suffice it to say I took a charge for my girlfriend - now wife, not a noble act but an act of duty, it really was my fault in the end. I'm set to get off in a few months. My P.O was very understanding about all this, the disease and so forth, she did however worn me of the extremely addictive properties of this drug (dilaudid that is), her words, "it's basically heroin." Great!
But it did hurt like hell. I assumed my doc, who is a very cool guy, would step me down like I was told but his wife, sadly, has brain cancer and appears to be in her last days and he has not been in the office for some time and his RN has taken over. Nice lady, but apparently takes a dim view of narcotics which I understand why but, I apparently can't just stop on a dime and Ultram don't cut it. I am addicted, just like everyone warned me and I promptly ignored.
So I have to meet my P.O on Wednesday. Today is Monday. Last Thursday I took my last 30 mg percocet. A friend of my brother who is a recovering heroin addict said he could help me. He gave me one Suboxone a day for Friday to today. I think they are 8 mg, they are orange and six sided, a sectagon is it? They work like a charm!
He swears up and down that they won't show up on a test. After passing all my tests for the past couple years my P.O hardly ever tests me but there is always that chance and I don't have a prescription for suboxone.
And here's the point: AFTER SWIMMING THROUGH THIS OCEAN OF CONFLICTING INFORMATION, IS THERE ANYONE WHO CAN CONCRETELY TELL ME IF THEY DO OR DO NOT TEST FOR SUBOXONE?
Look, there is probably many of you out there who are thinking, 'well you're a criminal and a drug addict so you should rot in prison and then burn in hell!' Seriously, black and white aren't all we got here people, God gave us a whole bunch of colors to work with, even shades of gray! Yay!
So, I'm looking - HOPING - for someone to stow the BS and judgments and just let me know the truth. It's Monday, I may test Wednesday, if so would it show up? Preferably, has anyone who is on Suboxone taken a test for probation and passed?
buprenorphine (Suboxone& Subutex) do not so up as an opiate, your PO would have to test you separately for Bup. the reason they don't is because it's not a drug that someone would wanna abuse, who in there right mind would wanna abuse subs. What ever you do don't take Subs for more then 21days you will hate your self.
listen guys, being completely real with you guys and not underminding Anyones inputs i agree with most, howver addiction is is 40% phsyical and 60% mental. as far a the subs they completely subside the physical withdrawel and allow you to function normal. the rest is will power and motivation. if u quit for 6 months and than jus do one oxy at a party i promize i will relapse. im 26 and been in and out of rehab sine 18. when i first tryed quiting cold turkey i managed to get past the first really rough days with absoltely no sleep. but after those first 3 or 4 days as long as ur a strong willed person u will start commmin back to ur senses and feeling normal. u may not be cured and will never wanna do one again but trust me guys we were born and went through our childhood wit no drugs and can all say we were pretty happy with out them no? so what's different about us now its very possible. the suboxone is the only way to go i guy 8mlg ones and split it into 4 quarters and take just 1 quarter before bed. stay very active and buisy mental and physicallu. another thing is that the only possible effective way to use suboxone is by dissolving under ur tounge with minumal saliva. i too have herd from many people that they have felt a good high off these and ive only been taking them for 2 weeks now and yet have felt any "good" highs from it.and on top of most people having familys,jobs, priorities, we are in a deep recession we r all quilty for spending thousands and thousands of dolllars on drugs when we coulda used that money for a lot more. be safe careful and goodluck to all
Joe, there's NO way you're testing positive for opiates while being on Suboxone. Opiates and bup (the main ingredient in Suboxone) have 2 totally different forms and mechanisms of action. We have a totally separate panel on our standard 12 panel test strictly for BUP.
You might not want to hear this...but it's time to get honest with yourself and stop making excuses. Either you want to stop doing the opiates or you don't...you're not testing positive by being on BUP - there's no way..and I've been doing this for nearly 20 years.
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now i have been an addict of many vices (heroin being one of them) for over 10 years and i have been on & off subs now since 2007. i first got clean in 07 and was on subs for 9 months and absolutely loved them. i was prescribed three a day of the 8mg pills and they saved my life. i was living on the streets shooting heroin, doing atleast a bundle a day, i was scamming & sceaming people i knew everyday to get high. i hurt those i cared about to get my fix. then when i got on subs i felt normal, like i was an everyday person not an addict. NOT A JUNKIE!!! when i felt like i was ok & strong enough to stop taking them & ready to face the world completely on my own i stopped, NO withdrawals for me. that means no vomiting, no night sweats, no aggitation, no restless legs or feeling like i needed to crawl out of my skin because that is exactly how i felt when i withdrew from heroin, that was death & i swore i would NEVER go back to it. but i did. i'm ashamed to say that i have relaspsed a few times since then.
i herniated some discs in my neck & was given some ocs for pain (like 120 a month) and the next thing i knew i was back to shooting dope and hanging with my old friends doing the things i shouldn't have. now i am back on the subs trying to get my life back once again. since i now live in another state and see a whole new set of docs here they wont prescribe anymore than 1 sub a day & were astonished i was on 3 a day before. addiction has stolen my life too many times and i am fighting to never let it happen again.
i have been in & out of jail & rehabs many time which never helped me realize that my addiction was killing me, i now have hep c which many iv drug users have. i am a 2nd generation heroin addict and first got high with my dad at age 11. suboxone has been the only thing that has helped me stay clean! i have been on methadone numerous times & can remember going to the clinic daily getting my dose then going to "the spot" and coping my fix with suboxone i cant do that even if i wanted to and that's what i like! i have NEVER gotten "high" off the subs yes i have felt the euphoric feel because the subs fill the receptors in ur brain which pretty much trick ur brain into feeling that way. i have done a lot of drugs in my day and have never gotten any type of buzz of high off subs like i have off other meds or street drugs.
for those of you who are trying to consider whether to take methadone or subs my preference is the subs that way u cant get high. its like a safety net in a way. i know its not meant to be that way but i feel better when i take my suboxone that i know that even if an opportunity arises to shoot dope i physically cant while on suboxone because of the naloxone in it. if ur on methadone there is nothing stopping u from getting high before or after ur methadone dose.
something else i may add is that i am currently on probation and have not told my po about being on suboxone & have had random tests for the last few years because of drugs charges & never once have i tested positive for drugs when i hadn't taken them. in other words the only time i had a positive reading is when i relapsed & that's it. ask any doctor or pharmacist they will tell u straight up suboxone isn't an opiate therefor it CANNOT & WILLNOT show up on ANY TYPE of drug test unless they specifically test for buprenorphine which is a special test. people asking if subs show up on a standard drug test is like asking if glucose reading show up on drug test. just not happening man, sorry!
i wish anyone who has suffered with an addition of any kind the best of luck & to NEVER GIVE UP, THERE IS ALWAYS HOPE!!!!! someone is always there caring & listening. i know i always felt like a lost cause & never felt loved or wanted & now that i have suboxone & my mind is clear & i am thinking right i know that is not true. so you guys out there that are still struggling please hang on, you will find the help u need!
Suboxone lets a person stabilize and free up time usually spent scoring or being sick. This free time can be used to get a job, counseling, start a routine, exercise, whatever you want to do. Subs don't make me fiend either. Are they a cure? Not in my opinion, but they let one get out of the cycle of destruction if one so chooses and then you have a chance to get on the path to freedom.
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Wow this hub is so packed with information... Almost as if a doctor wrote this hub. I know a few friends that took suboxone and it helped a lot, but its still a prescription pill that does carry certain side effects.
However being addicted to opiates is serious and from what I understand- Withdrawal can lead to seisures and other things if you do not detox properly. Great hub!
Wow this hub is so packed with information... Almost as if a doctor wrote this hub. I know a few friends that took suboxone and it helped a lot, but its still a prescription pill that does carry certain side effects.
However being addicted to opiates is serious and from what I understand- Withdrawal can lead to seisures and other things if you do not detox properly. Great hub!
Each head each case. I find subutex or suboxone better that methadone due to being "less" potent and easier to quit. I see my friends on methadone for a long time getting fatter and not reducing their dosage. Once again i'm going to start another try out of heroin (and cocaine) and maybe will start subutex/suboxone since i'll fail the 7days out for naloxone (antaxone/DESTOXICAN) which I once did for 1.5years with some success for heroin not for cocaine unfortunately.
Anything is better than heroin even the darned(?) methadone. Heroin costs a lot of money, sometimes it's too weak, sometimes police busts the usual dealer and maybe some others and you can't get anything anywhere that day. Here in portugal it's legal to consume and police won't take your dosage but MAY take you to rehab programs when u got caught in a crime like stealing not just by getting u taking ur dose in a corner. So what's better? Committing crimes to get money for the crappy heroin or taking the SAME quality methadone/subutex/whatever drug replacement for a lot of less money and for free (methadone is free here in portugal)?
Best luck to all of you addicts and remember that any legal drug is better that street drugs and always try to lower dosages, think of it everyday - lowering dosages. And to me making physical exercise helps a lot to keep me out of drugs (after some time quitting everything of course...). Going to the beach and getting some sun also makes me feel a lil' better. Just my humble opinion since we're all talking about ourselves and about each of us experiences. Sorry my spelling.
Jay. from POR.
This hub is helping people! I know it because I'm a recovering Heroin addict. I have been using Suboxone for a little over a year. This drug has totally changed my life around! I'm in an out patient program with an internal medicine Doctor who specializes in addiction. Since I began taking Suboxone, I have been able to get the group therapy and cognitive therapy I need. My life is finally coming back together. Keep up the great work informing people about Suboxone!
Eu começei a tomar subutex por causa dos meus consumos de heroina, mas acontece-me muitas vezes fumar depois de ter tomado o comprimido, e kuando volto a tomar tenho de aumentar a dose. Estou a ficar deprimida por causa disto, não sei como alterar esta situação é mais forte que eu, tenho muita dificuldade em me locomover, penso que seja por causa do subtex mas tenho medo da ressaca. O que eu keria era livrar-me disto para sempre e isso parece impossivel.
this site helped me. I am only on day 2 off lortabs (30 per day habit). I was terrified the subutex would not take away my withdrawal symptoms. I cant beleive it. I mean i really can't beleive how good i feel. I am prescribed 2 mg tablet twice per day. I just woke up on day two and haven't needed to take my tablet yet. Amazing!! i could never get off lortab if i had to sit through the withdrawal. Anyone thinking about taking the step...do it. My doctor is a D.O. which i think helps as well. He spent nearly an hour with me during our meeting. OF course i have to attend a rigorous outpatient program but its nice to see others with the same problem i have. If it can curb my pill per hour habit it can help anyone. yes im still taking a prescription pill but two subutex is better than 30 lortab. its not as dangerous and its legal.
I last took a small dose of subutex on friday of last week, this is tuesday and I just found out I have court next monday. Which gives me 9 days clean if I am drug texted will this show up if tested for bups.
Folks, I'm in my 60's and was a NYC addict of the 60's. I was addicted to the heroin that Nicky Barnes and Frank Lucas was selling, that Frank was bringing directly from Southeast Asia, buypassing the Mafia, and putting out a a monster bag on the street, that was dropping folks like flies. Used junk for about 10 years till I got bone tired, then got on a federal methadone program for about 7 years in their infancy of such programs. Listen up all you junkies and dope substitute maintenance program users (methadone, suboxin, etc.), I'm going to give you a few hard, unadulterated, facts, not opinions about all this nonsense that my entire lifetime of experience has proven to me. You can deposit these pearls of truth in the bank of wisdom, or throw them out for the trash, that's up to you. But in your life my friend, you will eventually discover these same truths and embrace them as your own. I merely provide you a shot at a shortcut to this wisdom. Here we go. 1. Any and every one of these maintenance programs have as their main goal "TO MAKE MONEY FOR THEIR BUSINESS" - pure and simple.
2. If they have any interest in protecting or helping people, it is to protest society from YOU. Despite what is said, at the highest levels of their administration, you are still the enemy. They want to keep you medicated and compliant, so that you are no longer a threat to society.
3. Along the lines of numbers 1 and 2, they never want you to detox - they want you "MEDICATED AND COMPLIANT". They don't want you to aspire to higher goals, they don't want you to drug-free. They will actually tell you and did tell me you are a loser and are incapable of breaking the chains. "If you get off the methadone you'll wind up right in prison, dead, or if your really lucky, back on methadone.
4. Your worst habit on heroin ain't a pimple on the ass of your lightest mainenance habit on methadone, suboxin, etc. Its like trying to compare grapes and watermellons. I've had many different sized heroin (as little as $5 as much as $150/day)habits, Habits mixings 1/4 grain dilaudids with morphine sulphate tablets (from drug stores), damn near any natural or sythetic opiate in pill, liquid or injectible immaginable. I'm not trying to brag, only trying to make the point that opiate habits in all these forms, still can only amount to a withdrawal process that can last at most 3-7 days, with moderate to substantial pain, but in any case is not going to kill you. Not exactly what you would call a pleasant experience, certainly one that junkies look to avoid like the plague, but also an experience that junkies routinely go thru anyway for various reasons (arrested, or hospitalized, or want to kick, etc.). But compare kicking from methadone or one of the other maintenance drugs. Don't kid yourself that its not this way for suboxin and the rest. Like I said, I was on M for 7 years. I tried to detox twice as an outpatient - impossible - hurt too much. Its not even worth talking about the first time I tried inpatient detox in the hospital. The second time a few years later I was determined. THAT WAS THE CRITICAL FACTOR. I was a bit of badass and always in trouble. I won't tell you the things I did/was accused of, but sometimes you do what you gotta do, anyway, not relevant to the discussion. But because of this and their general approach to advise against detox attempts, they let me know in no uncertain terms what a dangerous loser I was, but they were going to honor my request for inpatient hospital detox (the only way I could do it), because after that they were kicking me off the program. The following was the most painful experience in my life. They detoxed me from 80 mgs down to 5 mgs in 30 days, and the engine of my pain had just hit first gear. They wanted to detox further in 1 mg increments but I refused because I knew that would just torture and prolong my agony. I left AMA and went straight to an inpatient therapeutic community for counselling, insight, etc. I kid you not, I did not sleep a wink for 23 days, doing grueling physical labor all this time, and even then only began to sleep an hour a night, then two, etc. It was the same with eating. Agonizing physical withdrawal lasted another month beyond discharge from the hospital. Withdrawal was unbelievable. Muscle cramps that made you like you had run a marathon. Twitches and spasms that made you feel like you were a human slinky. I detoxed in Bronx State Hospital, which is a rundown mental hospital. Some healthier patients would come to the dayroom to amuse themselves by watching me uncontrollably twitch in the chair. If I were healthy enough I would have been arrested for assault with day room chairs.
For 6 months whenever my body felt like it, it would just void my bowels into my underware suddenly and without notice, regardless of where I was.
I would say that the actual physical detox took a full six months. It took another six months for me to get healthy. I was 24 at the time. I tell you all my cautionary tale for a few reasons. First and foremost to let you know that if you are on maintenance, it is possible to get off it, despite what the clinic people may tell you. The last shot shot of dope or methadone I had was in 1977 and I've been clean since. My program at the time I was on it had 3,000 active patients, and I don't know how many former patients. Staff told me that at that time that they knew of no one who had ever gotten off. In the year I got off, I personally knew of two other people who successly detoxed and stayed off, and were previously long time dope fiends. Staff lied!
If you are not on one of the maintenance drugs, don't ever get on them for any reason other than detoxing from whatever your using. If you do, make no mistake, you are not jumping from the frying pan into fire, you're jumping into a raging inferno. As a matter of fact, and I'm sure this is probably going to create an outcry from some on this site, but it's been my experience that these maintenance programs are often a death sentence, and I think their designed to be so. If you live long enough you'll see it too.
First off I am new to this Blog, but this goes to CIRO. I have been clean for 7 months, I was injured at work one day and was prescribeb Ultracet (Tramadol) weak narcotic, but it made me feel good then I was off of those in 30 days and did what smart addicts do (Pain Management Clinic) started taking 10mg percs, that did not work for long then it was roxys (30mg blues) and before you knew it I was taking OC 80s and OC 160s I was taking 500mg of oxycodone on a good day and 0mg some days (BAD DAYS!!) Other addictts know what I mean. Fast forward 3 yrs I lost my job, the women I really loved (and I really did love her) my family left me behind, and I was so far down. I started methadone 1 yr ago, and that shit is worse than Oxys! 2 months later after methadone I took suboxone 8mg tabs (2 a day) and woorked my way down to 2mg a day, and 40 days later I feel great.
READ MY LIPS ---------- S-U-B-O-X-N-E --- WORKS!!! CIRO is right Methadone sucks, and drug company's are there to make money! That's why Suboxone is more expensive than just about any other drug, because they know you wont use that long! That was 7 months ago, I am happy with my life, I have a even better job now, my family is back with around me in my life again. No ladie in my life but I am not stressing it. I really am happy, I am 30 and I feel like my life just hit a new begining.
My message is Suboxone does work (its expensive) but its a great investment. It did change me!
IOt cost me more on suboxone than just doing enough dope to not be sick so Im at a dilemma is it really what its worth? The price of sobriety????
I could not have said it better. After using Opiate based pain pills for 23 yrs, 16 on Vicodin, (Hydrocodone) and 6 yrs on Methadone. If you want to feel like your losing your mind, or like you are dancing with the devil, try coming off Methadone. It is the most evil drug in the world. When I would try to detox from the Vicodian, I would go through withdraws for a little over a week then you start to feel better, but Methadone not a chance, 1 10 mg, Methadone can stay in your system for 45 days. Methadone gets into your bones, muscle's, and your tissue. April 9Th, 2010, I took my last Methadone, Oxy 30, and Valium 10 mg. I had 3 back surgeries, but in 1987 when I took my first Vico, I had gone to an Ortho, for a problem with my foot, and took the Vico as prescribed, and we developed a love hate relationship. for the next 23 yrs. My last Back Surgery was in 2008. My Neurosurgeon, recommend a Pain Doc, didn't have to tell me twice. That was until she ended up putting me on 130 mg of that crap. Plus Oxy 30's every 4 to 6 hours, and Valium 10 mg 3 X a day. And Yes I'm still here to write this comment. And did I mention that my at the time she was 24, going on 25, and her husband we were all sharing my script's. we were all full blown addicts. My daughter got sober first, her dad paid the $5000 to the program that we are in. She's been sober Jan 26Th will be 11 months. Next my son-in-law, I got a $1000, together for his down payment. The day we went in the Doc was so amazed to see a whole family addicted that he took me on to.So in April of 2009, I got my life back. And I never want to go down that road again. I have been sober for 9 months and 11 days. And I feel great. My son-in-law, stopped the Suboxone cold turkey 6 months ago, because we were paying $150 a week for him and I. He just stopped and he's been fine. My daughter and I she's down to 1 a day from 3 x a day, and I'm down to 2 x a day from 3. I'm proof that it can be done. If you want it bad enough.
Great treatment story. I am seeing a lot of success with ibogaine. I am hoping we can hear from people who have experience with detox and addiction treatment. The ibogaineclinic does its research in Miami. It makes sense to me as it seems to create an aversion to the drug which sure makes it easier to stop using:)
Sub is OK only as a tapper,
The active substance in Subutex and subuxon is called buprenorphine and if you take this treatment for to long then you must be prepared for a long rough ride to get off the thing.I have been taking a 12mg/day for about 12 yars(in Europe most country give it free as treatment against heroine)I have stop taking it from one day to the other and it is how that goes:
-1 weeks- pain everywhere diahrea, vomit, intestinal pain, pain in my bone no sleep and cycling in my bed (as if my legs were independent from my body
-2 week- diahrea, vomit, intestinal pain, pain in my bone, no sleep and cycling in my bed (as if my legs were independent from my body ,depressed, feeling like shit mentally
-3 week - A bit better but mental down, slept about 10 to 15 hours in 3 weeks (I didn't think that possible) always extremely tired but as soon as I put my head down it goes a 1000mile/hour, depressed. diahrea and generaly as if I had eat some radioactif stuff my belly is making all sorts of noise and disgusting excretions (sorry)
- week 4- better physically but some spell of tiredness during the day and still same belly problem. The worst is I think I have became a precocious ejaculator (like a rabbit 2second for ejaculation if I try to have sex, embarassing !)
That is where I stand just now I heard from people who have done a detox from sub that it will take maybe another 2 months going up all the time, before I'll feel whole again .but I hope my sex life will reimprove as it as always been an important part of my life.
Also, Test in urin for subutex or subuxone will show if specifically called for, depending on the test(spectrometrie of masses/chromatographie of gazes) the person weight,sex, condition, the bupreonorphine will show for about a week, but it break down in your body into somethink else called metabolite recognisable to come from the bupreo and that can be into the system for about a month.
I hope that help to know about how one substance can hide another.
From Europe with love.
I have severe crohn's,..and after years of having opiates thrown at me,..I started to simply ask for it first when needed, eventually when wanted(also 'needed' cuz the want stemmed from them getting me dependent on them)..
Going from half a 5mg Vicodin,..and ending up going thru Sixty '80 Mg. Oxycontin's' in 3, sometimes 4 and 5 days, every month,..then after they were gone, opening up my bottle of 30Mg Roxi's (roxicodone/ Oxycodone I.R.), and going thru all NiNETY of them in 2 to 3 days,..then just using the prescription of Klonopin's to 'not give a shit about the w/drawals from opiates',..was enuff to make me not wanna live anymore. Instead of finding a new doctor to write me another, 'Final Script' of Oxy's for me to 'Do Myself in' with, ending my slave to the grind, situation,..I found a Dr. who's nurse talked to me for an hour, promising a better way, EVEN for me, more than an addict,..a 'Dependent',due to Crohn's,..so I let em try.
After 14months, I have even had a surgery since 'quitting', and used an Epidural instead of narcotics for the pain..,I'm SO happy to say I am and will remain Free of that B/S addiction,..and not onlY does the Suboxone help w/the staying off the OXy's, it DOES help a little, w/the pain's from Crohn's..
How long does it stay in your system
I was on bond condition taking suboxne and I would take it the night of the drug test and passed all 3.Well now im on probation and i will be doing random drug screens.Is the probation drug test the same panel of the bond condtiotion??Im wondering will i pass the probation drug test as well while taking suboxne??Please answer fast.
Im an addict iv drugs xanax oc anything & everything i sold drugs for years and then got on them myself and im a nurse woohoo ive even taken subs both subutex and suboxone and i sold them i want to stop badly>wtf do i do?????????????????????????????????
'Crystal' if i was you i would quit selling immiedetly.Im 20years old im not some old stubernman telling you how to run your life but take my advice from expiernce.I recently got caught selling xanax and it ruined my life.A 1 time thing turned into a lifetime.I ruined my life for nothing.Now im on 5 years papers and random drug screens and it was first offence.Its not woth it trust me.Do what you do at your home but don't sell its way better to sit there and get hi than go to jail or to be supervised and drug screened.Also if you want off of the pills get off of them and see a doctor about suboxone it will help you tremendously.It will be hard to quit selling but do it.You could lose your job and go to jail it just isn't worth it.I wish i wouldn't of done it that 1 time that's all it takes.I hope im not wasting my time and this comment moves you because i wouldn't warn you if i didn't think it would help take this advice and use it for i didn't when they tol me to quit wish i would of.
hey im on subutex but ive taken a couple of soboxone and i go to the doctor real soon. can the clinics tell the difference with the urine screens they use?
yes i know more than anyone that if you are on suboxe and take it like it is perscribed instead of abusing it..it does work it has saved my life...and the doctor i go to really cares about someone staying clean i also go to cousleing and meeting 1 or 2 a week...suboxe don't help by it self u have to put work in with it and together u can recover i know i have!!!
I have ben on Suboxone and then switched to subutex cus the generic is MUCH CHEAPER ! Ask ur Dr, if u attend ur appts regularly and are not takin other drugs he will happily put u on Subutex. I felt no differnce with either drug, both were 8mgs and worked just the same for me. Long story short I became dependent after being Dx'd with Chrons diease. Pain management was a must and I had no idea I wud be hooked on them. Ive been on them now 4yrs and YES was told by my Dr 95% of people stay on the drug their whole life! I didn't care at the time i was in bad withdrawl all I remebered him sayin was "in 15mins you will feel soo much better" That's when they gave u subutex 1st, then suboxone for ur 2nd dose. But i guess too many people were takin off after gettin subutex and gettin high & Not coming back. My reason for postin this is for anyone who is pregnant. I had a baby in 2008 and was on 8mg SUBUTEX, the whole time. Drs were unsure how this wud react and tried switing me to Methadone, but I refused! And my Drs were ok with me. I have a brother on methadone and he is nodding off like he is on Herion, and I surely didn't want that junk in me or to get hooked on it. Anyways, I gave birth baby came out fine. By the 2nd day he had very mild twitching of his arms and a lil rash and redness to his face. They gave him NO MEDS to ease the withdrawl. He cryed a bit more than normal babies do and required to be held a lot. He had to stay in the hospitol til his scores were perfect which was just an extra 2 days ( I felt miserable leaving without my son) Im in no way advocatin this, but if u suddenly become pregnant DON'T STOP UR Maintence Drug, U can loose ur baby from withdrawl, its NOT the time to play around. Eat right take ur vitamens and ur Subutex. The newborn stage was a lil difficult as he was cryer But both my kids were (i have a 14yr old and was not on any drugs with him and he cried more then the baby I had that was born on Subs) Belive it or not, I had a team of Drs and nurses come up to me & ask me all about my treatment, they told me the HORROR stories of children being born on methadone (And I THANK GOD that I refused that treatment) My Dr never told me what I wud be facin had I taken the Methadone only promoted it, cus they knew "what to expect" This is when Subutex was fairly new. The team of Drs at the hosptiol cudnt belive how well my son was doing and they wanted more info. My son is now 3yrs old and is 100% healthy! He is very smart for his age ( i know all parents say that) But AS GOD IS MY WITNESS he is brillant child, he can hear something one time and remember it for GOOD, His Vocab is great, he is in perfect health, mentally and physcially! I will NOT end this post without stating that I prayed througout my pregnancy that GOD help my child to be a healthy baby boy. I am a born again Christian (YES we have issues too) I know by Gods grace HE is the MAIN reason why drs were dumbfounded wathcing his speedy recovery! I give GOD all the GLORY, the HONOR and PRAISE for the outcome, which was NOT perfect but WE made it thru unscathed ! My advice to any soon to be Mothers is to take ur subutex and Put God 1st, present ur unborn baby to the Lord, he wiill have mercy and hear ur prayer! I didn't choose to be on drugs it happened as a result of a very painful disease that I had. There is NO cure for this diease but I have been 100% healed from it for 3 1/2 yrs. God Miraclously healed me of that diease but I am still on the Subutex for I got on that While the diease was in full force! And shortly after my healing I got pregnant, and new it was unsafe to quit the meds, but I trusted in GOD and everthing is O.K. ! I cudnt ask for a more brillant sweet child! Im seekin the Lord in gettin off the Subutex and I know HE is the only way for me to get off of them. I read over and over that Once an addict always an addict, well God says "Therefore if any man is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things are passed away; behold, new things have come." (2 Corinthians 5:17)I know I am no longer Bound to this addiction, its a mental thing, and GOD is not the variable, I AM. The reason why Im not off them yet, is due to fear and I know I have to keep seeking God to trust him more and more to the point that HIS word dictates how I think & feel, not this drug or the fear of the unknown. I was never a hardcore user I tok about 10-15vikes at day at my worst but nevertheless, opiates are opiates and they create the same dependencies. If I cud go back and change anything, I wudve tapered off the Suboxone in 2weeks like its meant for and went in with knowledge not out of desperation. Heck, I cudve been weened off the vikes under a Drs care. But u live and u learn and Now I am where I am, but its not where I have to stay! May God be with u all and lets not pass judgment onto one another but pray that this demon of addiction be destoryed in our lives, FOREVER ! If u have any questions feel free to message me.
Research IBOGAINE ! There is possibly a cure out there, but FDA hasn't passed it in America. A jukie took a dose to get high(its a hullecengenic like acid from a plant called Ibogaine) He was on Herion for 16yrs (he discovered the plant and found he NO LONGER HAD ANY DISIRES OR WITHDRAWLS for herion. youtube it "ibogaine in the news" Iver serioulsy thought about goin to Canada for treatment, ONE DOSE BLOCKED THE WD SYMPTOMS FOR ALL TYPES OF USERS !
Wrong info people! Both the original poster and others replying need to fact check before flapping their gums.
Where to start?
First, they put naloxone in Subutex for the same reason they put it in Talwin NX: to keep people from crushing and INJECTING the drug. Naloxone is NOT active via the digestive tract. Since it binds to opiate receptors, the type of opiate in your system hardly matters. If the naloxone was active taken orally, it would block the buprenorphine from acting just like it would any other opioid. For oral administration a different drug, naltrexone, is used which DOES act orally but is NOT present in Subutex. Anyone who says Subutex threw them into withdrawals is either posing (lying) or spiked the stuff into a vein, which I notice nobody here is admitting to.
Two: Opioids triggering dopamine release? Wrong, wrong, WRONG. If I had a nickel for every time I saw some psuedo-expert attributing some neuropsychological event to dopamine (usually coupled with the equally-wrong jingle "the feel-good neurotransmitter) I'd be able to buy a Rolex watch by now. Opioids work because they mimic a neurotransmitter that is already present in the brain, endorphin or enkephalin. This truly IS the feel-good transmitter and endorphin release is what's responsible (for instance) for the flood of pleasure felt during orgasm. And the enzymes that are responsible for deactivating endorphin molecules have a much harder time processing opioids, therefore the endorphin-like effect can last hours instead of mere seconds. So the proper thing to say is that opioids act because they ARE a neurotransmitter (sort-of), NOT because they trigger one.
Third, to address yet more noise from malinformed individuals responding to this article, a drug test--whether urinalysis or blood--can test for ANYTHING, provided the test is designed for that. So the answer to whether it shows up on a drug test is "it depends". Typically most drug tests look for the so-called NIDA-5, or the five drugs specified by the National Institute on Drug Abuse. One of these drugs is indeed an opiate, but as buprenorphine is not an opiate but an OPIOID, that part of the drug test does not detect it. An opioid is a substance that acts the same as an opiate but is chemically different. Since all drug tests are chemical tests ONLY, chemically different=negative result. If the drug test is designed for buprenorphine it WILL detect it, period. If it is not, it WON'T, period. The only way to know for sure is to find out what drugs are included on the drug screen being administered. If it's the NIDA-5, you're home free with buprenorphine (and Demerol, and Methadone, and Stadol, and any other synthetic.) Surprise surprise, but the opiate part of the NIDA screen usually won't detect Oxycontin/Percocet and Lortab/Vicodin, because they're semi-synthetics and only register on the test in extremely high doses.
Okay, I'm done. Let the jabbering begin.
Well, perhaps I'm being uncharitable. It could be that those thinking Subutex threw them into withdrawals did truly get sick, but not for the reason they think. Subutex is a surprisingly powerful drug. The first time I tried it I puked, and that was with a long-time opiate habit and extremely high tolerance. I would advise anyone using the stuff NOT to start with the 8mg tablet, even if your doctor says it's appropriate. At least not all at once. I'd break it into pieces and try a little at a time, or start off with one of the lower dosage tabs. If your doctor disagrees, insist. Regardless of what the MD says it's your body and you're the one making the decisions, not him.
And for those who were thinking of jumping in and "correcting" me on that point about the absorption of Naloxone via digestive tract, YES I am aware that the primary action of Subutex is via sublingual absorption directly into the circulatory system and theoretically the naloxone should also be absorbed the same way and thus bypass the stomach and intestines. In other words, the Naloxone should be able to enter the body the same way the buprenorphine does. But Naloxone is poorly absorbed from ANYWHERE in the digestive tract, including the mouth. It MUST be injected or otherwise introduced directly into the body to work.
Subutex/Suboxone is not nearly as effective on people who have much higher habits. I had a 2 gram a day raw habit for a year and decided to kick on subutex. Let me tell you, I didnt sleep for almost two weeks. I was prescribed Propanol a HBP medicene/beta blocker and Seroquel as well to help me sleep. I was blacking out, along with all of the regular withdrawal symptoms. It was absolute hell. If you think you are free when you get off the drugs and are on Suboxone...you arent. You HAVE to, and I mean HAVE to go through some sort of withdrawals at some point. I slowly tapered off Suboxone/Subutex and it wasn't the physical cravings so much as the mental. It fucked me up so much that I am right back where I started. I have heard about going through the rapid detox program where they knock you out for 2-3 days basically and pump you full of narcane. It is quite costly but I think it sounds worth it. I know quitting the stuff is not easy, and its just gonna be a walk in the park, but to all the very heavy users out there who arent doin beans and are doin atleast a gram+ of good dope a day, beware. Of course some people the Suboxone works great for...just wasnt the case for me.
Great Hub! I'm glad to see more people trying to educate folks on addiction therapy!
i am not prescribed to suboxen but i buy it off the streets bc i was trying to wein myself off of opiates i am now pregnant and have been taking suboxen so me and the baby do not go thru withdraws but i am getting close to my due date and i am getting concerned bc i am not prescribed to suboxen and i dnt want to get into any trouble after my baby girl is born for using drugs that are not prescribed to me...i live in pa and they drug test the baby after he/she is born does anyone know if they will test for suboxen or just the main drugs that are usually tested for?
Well, you wrote everything well. Only - I am not 100% sure,but you forgot to tell about I.V-ing SUBUTEX AND SUBOXONE are totally different things.Intravenous using of subutex is tolerable , and it can be done - but suboxone is not because of naloxone added THAT SCREWS UP KIDNEYS AND LIVER THO.Naloxone is the worst drug that can be prescribed by doctor - especially to those with issues with kidneys or liver.It's extremely toxic.And Suboxone is screwed up version of Subutex because-they should leave medicine just like it is.And yes - NALOXONE,the thing that will put you in the worst withdrawal in your life is active ONLY taken INTRAVENOUSLY. Orally,it's not active.
WOW....don't really know what else to say to all this. I guess just that it is everyone's individual choice to get clean....some just want to stop using certain drugs i guess - as do most on this post...I think anyone who truly wants to be free from the horrors of addiction needs to regularly attend 12 step meeting, get a sponsor and work the steps. Suboxone will help to get rid of withdrawals but sometimes those are necessary to recover. You have to remember the pain so as not to go back to using. I'm not just pulling this out of my ass either....I have been a heavy drug user for years. I started with Vicodin, Lortabs, Percodans, whatever...progressed to snorting oxycontin...then started injecting oxys, dilaudid, morphine, heroin, cocaine, methadone...whatever would get me high and then whatever would help me not be sick. I finally was so out of control that I lost custody of my kids....I tried first weaning myself off with methadone at home...this didn't work....then i checked into a detox where I was given Suboxone...this was great for getting through withdrawals...but alas I eventually returned to my other drugs as my tolerance started to build with the suboxone....Finally I was truly tired of using. I was tired of the mess my life had become...I was READY to stop taking drugs! I had to do this cold turkey. I wanted to feel the pain so I wouldn't be tempted to go back to using - EVER. I started going to a 12 step program. I stopped hanging around old people and places. I got a sponsor. I got some literature and am reading it daily. I started getting into step work and service work. I'm changing my life. Not only am I clean but I am RECOVERING from my addiction! While it is true that addiction is a life-long disease, it can be arrested and recovery is then possible. If you are on suboxone, my opinion is you are just substituting. While withdrawals are terrible and painful and scary, life CAN get better IF you want it to. If you do decide to go with replacement therapy, please only do it short term! And I'm not trying to judge anyone. It's your life, do what you want. I just hate seeing anything called a "miracle drug". The only miracle is finding some spirituality and learning to recover!
Hello im addicted to heroin and i need suboxin and i live in greece i can't get them anywhere i need help my addiction is geting out of hand andi need to stop or im going to die help me pleaseeeeeeeee!!
You guys should look into "ibogaine" ( it's a Fu---- miracle ) .. Also look into " Kratom "
I have been on methadone for 16 years.allso xanax and lorcet.the other drugs for 25 years!I tested pos for pot and no doctor will write my meds .I have had neck and back pain from a fall off of house.Landed on neck! the same doc for the whole time what do i do for pain?? Are the going to detox over pot?thanks Va,I think the new drugs are just a money thing!!!Doctors passing you around to a pain clinic.or to be detoxed.And later give them back???Help
Suboxone or subutex does not show up on any standard opiate drug test. It must be tested for specifically. I've never tested positive while only using subs. Unless Ofcourse that's what they were looking for. Most places won't test for it because the cost differential from standard tests r so high.
Suboxone or subutex does not show up on any standard opiate drug test. It must be tested for specifically. I've never tested positive while only using subs. Unless Ofcourse that's what they were looking for. Most places won't test for it because the cost differential from standard tests r so high.
The best thing I can tell anyone on this page...Don't take anything...Do it right...Do not take anymore drugs.. Do it yourself. I am 44 years old, a mother of a 7 year old and a 11 year old.. Worked for the same company for 22 years and lost my job to an opiate addiction. I wasn't buying it off the street - I had a pain doctor that was giving me over 200 pills a month of oxy... and I was taken it all...I was not even thinking about selling...because I needed it for myself. That is pretty selfish - but true. I lost a good job but I still have my family....I went to rehab 2 years ago and have remained sober without the help of any other drug...You can do it...Just think how hard it was to stop doing what you where doing...and to basically just replace with something else..It doesn't make sense... Please listen..I am not trying to preach but it does make sense...Don't replace one drug for another - what is the difference... Don't worry about the drug tests for court - just don't do it... Believe me, I am (least my husband still says ) an attractive women, 100bls with an 11 year old son and a 7 year old daughter, but lost a good job due to my addition but because of my addiction I am a stronger more positive person...Please listen...Don't replace a drug for another...You can do it yourself...Believe me, when I went to rehab, almost 2 years ago, I was 80 lbs. Even when I was pregnant at the most weighed 110 lbs. My mother and I looked at myself and I looked dead. Rehab saved my life and my children still have a mom because I went to rehab and did this by myself...You can do it to....It will be hard, but you can do this....The hard part only lasts for a little bit but the joy and the happinest that you feel for yourself and your family members will last a lifetime...Remember my friends, it may be hard for you but it is very very hard for your loved ones....
i really dont know what some of you people are thinking and where you get your info. if you are not sure about something dont post it on this board for everyone to follow-go ask someone who actually knows. to the person who asked if different opiates show up different on a drug test and the person who told her they dont- they DO. they know exactly what you are taking. and subutex and suboxone both contain the same meds but suboxone also has another-you must wait 12-24 hours before taking either. subutex is not different. you all are going to hurt someone with your misinformation. also-please learn to spell or use spell check. really
TOTAL BS! YOU CANNOT TAKE SUBUTEX RIGHT AFTER TAKING OPIATES WITH NO ISSUES. iT IS THE BUPE THAT PUTS YOU INTO PRECIPITATED WITHDRAWALS..NOT THE NALAXONE! IF YOU ARE GOING TO PUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS TOGETHER GET YOUR SHIT STRAIGHT!
ive been struggling with an oxycontin addiction for 2 years going from 40mg a day to taking 20 80s a day sniffing 4 80s at once then 2 40s to be high for 2 hours tops i did this 4 times i a day every 3 to 7 hours, oc stole my fucking life i use to be a very good mixed martial artist and i turned into a fucking junky never did drugs in my life before im 9 days clean now 3rd time quitting< i have no emotion no joy i have the feeling that if sum1 was dying on the street id step over their body and walk the other way will my emotion return?? the pshycological symptons after the physical are way worse if i had to do that for over a year i thought i might blow my head off....
Listen up I was doing 10-15 80s a day and an oz of coke a week! Along so I was pushing 2500 pills a week! All I do is about a tenth of a subutex or suboxone in the morning and I'm straight for 12 hrs! The key to the subs is to get up and get moving! Unlike pain which makes u get up and get going u must do it urself and u will be fine!
I am going to see a Dr. tomorrow for Suboxen. I have been on percocet10mg and percocet 5mg for about 5years and i take about 10-15 pills a day. I really want to quit, I have tried before so many times but I got sick i felt like my skin was on fire and had little ants on the inside of my arms plus all the stomach sickness and I couldnt do it. The dr. said I would be able to just stop taking any pills just these- no tapering at all. Does that sound right? Im scared but I want/need help I will do this.
I have been on suboxin for three years now. Tried to get off twice in last year. I get extremly deporessed to where can not function. Tried weaning in a month from 23 mlgs. Then weaning from 8 mlgs.a little longer,like 6 months. The physical can deal with. Depression cant.Am on it still. Want off. I sweat all the time like withdraw even on it anymore. Is there a rehap or detox lasting longer than 3 days? Sick and tired of being sick and tired!
First off...WOW! There is a lot of mis-information on this page. Suboxone is a life-saver if taken properly, however, it can also be very addictive. If you're serious about getting clean, it's important you take it how you're supposed to and when your body natural starts to replenish the chemicals you've depleted from using, that's a good time to start weening yourself off VERY SLOWLY. Its unfortunate people also misuse suboxone, which attatches a horrible stigma to it, and makes it harder for people who are really serious about getting clean. For drug tests, it will not show up as an opiate. It will not show up on a 5, 8, 10, or 11 panel test. They would have to perform a comprehensive drug panel (testing for everything). It is not an opiate. It is buprenorphine. People who are afraid of failing tests...mostly likely the only way that's going to happen is at a hospital or if probation and parole spends the money to do the full comprehensive screening. Those are the facts. I was on OxyContin for 8 years, IV injecting it all within about 3-4 days. After it was gone, I would "fix" myself with atleast 6 grams of heroin a day. Clean for 2 years and one month now. I still have so many issues with seratonin loss and neuro-transmitter disconnection but I can take 1 8mg suboxone a day and feel normal. I love feeling normal. If your intention is to feel better than normal, you're not ready to face your addiction. Again, yay for people who are doing it the right way. Screw u people who misuse and give the drug a stigma. You're ruining more lives than your own.
does methadone show up on drug testing
i have been on opiates for 11 years and i just got fed up with all that comes to being addicted to opiates.so i have been getting suboxone off the steets for 2 weeks now.it has gave me my life back and i have a appt.set to see a sub docter and i am not sure what to really say to ensure i get the suboxone.anybody out there that can talk me through what to say please comment asap because i have appt.tommorow.....................
what about people who really need pain meds have you dumb ass addicts every considered that some people need to take drugs addicted or not for pain. wake up
What do you think about Ibogaine?
this is for brandy if you wher smart and done research suboxone started as a pain med so it does help with pain thats what it was first used for it just dont give you the messed up feeling your looking for and i no thats all it is cause im in a wheel chair dont even have but a piece of spinal cord left so i no you dont have worst pain than me and suboxen got me off all them meds wher t can actually remember day by day yea i still have pain but it does help you just want to get fucked up tell truth
I have been on suboxone now for for eight months. Completely saved my life! No other words to describe this medication . But. . . . . How can I get it cheaper? I pay 450 a month for 60 tabs. There has to be a cheaper way. No insurance companies will pay, I can't do welfare, coupons only save me 27 bucks. I'm thinking about asking my doctor to put me on subutex? It is only 120 bucks for 60 tabs,but I do t know if he will! Someone out there has an answer for me!!!!
first of all i will say i am very scared..i am addicted to roxys.30mg i take at least 30 a day..i went and bought subetex of the street..i want to take them but i havent read on hear about anyone with my high dosage..i am very depressed already and feel no high anymore...please give me feed back i have been doing this for 1yr now..i work a full time job but about to lose it all ..i am feeling very overwelmed lately..thanks..
thanks to the one person who responded to my cries, who is becauseilive...thanks alot..I live in west palm beach..I did take the subetex like a dummy before I was in total detox and yes it did make me very sick and almost sucidal..I couldnt belive how sick I was..it was a nightmare..I am finally clean for 3 days now and I just now feel a lil better..my point I want to make to anyone out their is do not take the subetex or suboxone to soon you will regret it..wait thr 24 hrs at least..I wanted to bang my head on the wall..and I am not like that at all..thanks for thr info I have recieved here and I will be in touch...thanks
I have been on my suboxone for about a year now, and just had my first and only relapse on Oxycontin. I have to see my doc on Monday and I would like to be honest with him, but I'm really scared he is going to discontinue my treatment and not give me any more medicine. That being said, I will have really bad withdrawals from cold turkey. I immediately got back on track and haven't missed any sub doses and have been doing excellent with my treatment otherwise. This is a one time slip mistake. I could lie, but that isn't being honest, plus he has random drug screenings in the office. Better to just come out and tell him right? Any suggestions? Do you think in my situation he would kick me to the curb and say "bye bye".
I am in my early 30 with 4 children,no friends,(due to pills,not being able to get out of bed most of the time), No family except my father,I have been disabled to due several car accidents,for a while now, I have been waiting four years now for Disability Help/Approval,I feel so tired,and of struggling all of the time,& most of all watching my children go through this. I pray so hard for day that I can truelly feel again & feel true joy & fun again with my children,I would give you my arm or leg just to have the oppertunity to go to a Truelly Great Facility like Florida detox Center & wellness Center,they help fix all of you mot just pieces.....I am presc.roxys & I am so ready to quit,though I need help, please.I am looking for someone near me in _____ Fl,that is also ready to get off of pain meds.we can help each other with the withdrawels,children & so forth..I thought If I had someone that Has the same goal near me & to lean on this process would go allot better,though maybe I am wrong! Because I will still be left which severe pain after off of pain meds,,thats why I woulld give anything to go to the Fl.Detox Place....Does anyone know about special funding or anything like that....I WISH I could afford to go to florida Detox Center(this was talked about on Dr.Phil)do you know they have a 90% success rate(WOW)& its a Rapid Detox without hardly any withdrawel,I wish,& pray for a miracle like this,(& for everyone who needs & deserves a chance at life,a fair ,fighting chance)....,also they help the underlying issues, & the main thing for me is my pain,I still need surgeries.It is so sad that If you are poor you are not offered these miracles,Why?
Hi everyone. I'm a disabled vet and I have been on all type of pain meds for the past 3 years. Getting pain meds from the VA is easier than getting into community college in Arkansas. Well for the past year I have been on 160-250mg of methadone daily and plus percs and weed. I know how to play the system. I have my own private insurance and VA insurance as well. So my monthly supply are well stocked. But I know this will eventually come crashing down on me. The other day I decided to end all this cycle of elicit drug use and call the suboxone doc. After my initial visit with him, I decided to go ahead and dose myself without being in mild to moderate withdrawal, boy was I wrong. I went into sever withdrawal within the 30 minute after my initial dose. It hurts so bad feeling so vulnerable, I decided to call for an ambulance so they can transport me to the ER. Soon I got there, I begged for methadone. So what I'm trying to say is do not bullshit your detox doctor cause you will just end up hurting yourself. I will give suboxone a try again once I'm out of methadone and goes into moderate withdrawal. Wish me luck. Did I mention that this damn meds is god awful expensive? I paid $200 and my insurance paid for $307=$507
Hi everyone. I'm a disabled vet and I have been on all type of pain meds for the past 3 years. Getting pain meds from the VA is easier than getting into community college in Arkansas. Well for the past year I have been on 160-250mg of methadone daily and plus percs and weed. I know how to play the system. I have my own private insurance and VA insurance as well. So my monthly supply are well stocked. But I know this will eventually come crashing down on me. The other day I decided to end all this cycle of elicit drug use and call the suboxone doc. After my initial visit with him, I decided to go ahead and dose myself without being in mild to moderate withdrawal, boy was I wrong. I went into sever withdrawal within the 30 minute after my initial dose. It hurts so bad feeling so vulnerable, I decided to call for an ambulance so they can transport me to the ER. Soon I got there, I begged for methadone. So what I'm trying to say is do not bullshit your detox doctor cause you will just end up hurting yourself. I will give suboxone a try again once I'm out of methadone and goes into moderate withdrawal. Wish me luck. Did I mention that this damn meds is god awful expensive? I paid $200 and my insurance paid for $307=$507
Suboxone does NOT show up on standard Opiate drug panel tests whatsoever, UNLESS the panel is ALSO testing for suboxone, as SOME do.. MOST do not. Period.
Scooter: Im sure Monday has come and gone by now and I am also sure that ur Doc did not 'kick u to the curb' for slipping once.. Trust me, they are USED to persons slipping up now n then.. its part of addiction.. What they want to see is that you are taking ur suboxone, using as little as poss during treatment and not selling ur suboxone (which is why they test to see it is in ur system). Plus, they just want their cash. Suboxone is a cash cow for those prescribing. My Doc seems to have no intention in sight in getting me off it.
Suboxone should not be taken for long periods of time, don't be fooled its a drug that will simply prolong your active addiction. I've been told the withdrawls from Suboxone mimic those of opiates, if not worse. Doctors would like you to take it as long as possible, as long as your paying them. It it simply meant to ease the detox process, so it should be taken about 5 days max. I recommend starting with 8 on the first day, then 6, 4, 2 and 2. This is just information I had explained to me and I'd like to help anyone I can. If you disagree thats OK too.
I failed to leave out however, that this is a wonderful article and Suboxone can and will save your life if your willing to quit. Just don't substitue one drug for another is all.
I want to share something that will have a lot of people disagreeing with....@ 4:30pm I dosed about 3mg sublingual suboxone under my tounge for the first time in a week and then a hr later my friend came over unexpected with 40mg opana...I was pissed because I thought for sure its just gonna be a waste for me to intranasal the opana......well I did 20mg and felt a tiny bit of it. then waited 2 hrs and did the other 20mg...immediately I felt high and got the nods as i would if i hD NOT TAKEN 3MG SUB.....so is it because the high strength of the opana..it seems that opana is strong enough to break thru sub and open opiate receptors right up.....has ne one done this before or maybe the oppisite has happened
Saved my life marriage and family. FIND A DOC THAT WILL GIVE YOU THIS. I would be dead without it.
Take care, there is another side to life you an get it if u want it
I have severe chronic pain. I have to be be on strong narcotics just to move. I tried all the drug free options and other than costing alot of money, I did not get any real pain relief. Everyone is different when it comes to chronic pain. For myself narcotics ie; opiates allow me a better quality of life than alternative therapies, sobriety or anything else out there currently. To each one out there, whatever makes you happy.
I was clean of heroin for almost a year, but recently used for a short period. I got myself a small habit so have been using subutex to get clean again. I've been taking about 3-4 ml a day for about 3 wks. I want to completely stop, can anyone
advise me if this sounds wise. I would drop slower, but I'm having to buy the subs off the and I can only get 8ml tabs. Thanks
To aaronsgirl83. I think it was 83. Anyway. I gave birth on suboxine. And lost her.....Get on subutex. Now if possible. There is still the risk. My thoughts are with you. Please contact me. firstname.lastname@example.com
Can anyone please direct me to a Doctor that will prescribe the Subutex? I am severely allergic to Naloxone. I get hives, poison ivy like rashes, labored breathing and my tongue swells tremendously. I recently moved to Ohio. It seems that I am having a very difficult time, even with this condition, finding a Doctor that will prescribe me the Subutex. I've used "NAABT.ORG", "Suboxone.come" and checked other forums as well. Anyone that can help me would, at this point, be a God send. I will travel far if necessary. I am serious about recovery, just need a little help. My email address is: firstname.lastname@example.com
Thanks everyone!
Hello everybody, I'm from West Virginia and i've been dosing ope's for about 13 years now, i've tried to quit several times but i've had many failed attempts. For the longest time I was taking 10-15 percocet 10's or 20 percocet 5's a day orally and snorting them. I weened myself down to 4-6 a day, as if they were prescribed. I want it to be none at all but i'm afraid the subutex wont work, i've tried both suboxone and subutex and the suboxone makes me sick as hell. Subutex was about right but I hadn't been off opiates so I dont know how they actually work for me. Do they help with the back cramps and hot and cold flashes? upset stomache? mood swings...temper...confusion...all that jazz? I NEED HELP
I have been addicted to opiates for14 years i currently on suboxone have been taking for 6 months and have been on drug court the same amount of time. Drug court wants me to go to 28/30 day impatient rehab and they want me off the suboxone. I cannot find a rehab that will take me because i am on the suboxone, and i personally don't want to stop taking the suboxone because i have been addicted for such a long time if anyone has any info that could help me pls. share thank you
I lost everything I ever loved in my life because of my addiction. I was prescribed vicodin after a roll over car accident which damaged my back. Then as time went on was up to 60mg Oxys for a long acting med, and 10 mg oxycodones for short acting meds. I allowed my addiction to get out of control and take over my life. I did not take one pain pill by mouth. I had snorted each and every pill I got my hands on and I would have it no other way. I blame no-one but myself for becoming an addict. However, once it is said and done, how or why I became addicted is irrelevant at this point. After losing my kids, home, job, and my reputation, I chose to admit myself into detox. I had no idea they would give me Suboxone after being admitted. That was the best thing that could have happened to me at that point in my life. I now have my kids back, a home, transportation, an income, and am currently in college.
I have been on Suboxone for 2 years now. The reason I have stayed on this medication is because, it is very effective for pain control. Regardless of the fact I am an addict or not, I still need something to help with my pain, and if I had to choose between staying on Suboxone or going back on the Oxycontins, I choose Suboxone any day.
I was on probation as well, and the drug test they give here in Upstate New York, do not test for Suboxone. The test strips read, THC, Cocaine, opiate, oxycontin, barbituates, Benzos, etoh (alcohol), and amphetamines. If they wanted to test for Suboxone, they would have to have a dip stick that they dip into your urine and it will turn pink if you are positive for Suboxone. I had to do the Suboxone test with my CDC counselor and she did the tests right in front of me. I also asked her to explain how the Suboxone test works, so I know for a fact, Suboxone does not show up as an opiate, nor does it show up on a standard drug test, unless of coarse that particular drug test has a slot for Suboxone on it, and I have never seen a standard drug test with Suboxone included on it. The thing I would worry about is, if they have the Suboxone test at the facility you are going to be drug tested at, and if they will use it.
so i got some subox film 8mg from someone(7 stips of them).I can end this nightmare right here and now. Yes I have legit prescription and all in all am prescirbed 160mg total daily btwn 0xy30mg and Percocet10/325 ea 4xday, but sick of worrying running out and no life left. Is it ok to just start w/the subox or do I NEED TO START W/SUBUTEX? I know someone who i witnessed take these things after a heroin relapse and he was thriving just fine from day 1 of taking the suboxone not subutex and tmrw he will hv been tapered off. He even seems to feel a little "good" if u ask me-much energy. I'm JEALOUS! So can anyone advise? again given what i take daily and what i have and what it is suboxone only. firstname.lastname@example.com ANY INSIGHT HELPFUL will b greatly appreciated thank you and wish you all the best in recovery.
Hey all, got myself down to 4mgs of methadone a day. didn't go to the clinic today. Instead i took a short acting opiate and plan on doing the same tomorrow. i Know this isn't the smartest path for an addict. What i am interested in is getting off the methadone. So if i continue this way how long is it advised that i wait until i take SUBUTEX not suboxone. Is it true i do not have to be in severe withdrawals. There seems to be alot of confusion on this subject. Anyone who knows the facts please comment. It will be greatly appreciated. To all others trying " Keep ya Head Up "
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All the posts here inspired me to start a journal/blog about me starting to take suboxone. Check it out:
Please leave comments and check back every day or so... thanks!
Subutex IS a hell of alot better than Suboxone BUT YES they will both show up on a drug screen It shows up as Oxycodone because of how your body breaks down its ingridents BUT when it is sent to a lab it comes back as The Bemorphine how ever it is spelt
i want leave hereon without use any medicen coz i dun have purchase medice any plzz my brothers and sisters who left that dirty drugs slow poision
Plz help me
Hi everyone. I went cold turkey from 12mg a day 2 weeks ago. I was taking them for many years from a doc. He would give me my scripts and had NO Idea how this stuff really works. Just stop taking them. Theres no WD's. Youll be fine. 1st week really sucked. 2nd week is getting better. Tomorrow will be day 15. I have NO Energy and cant Sleep for anymore than a couple of hours a night. Anyone have any ideas or suggestion for sleep and and energy. Ive been clean for two week and Not going to a doc or rehab center. Ive made it this far and will finish this! Just looking for ideas. Thanks Jay
Suboxone/buprenorphine definitely can help many people, but it depends on the person. In some it can cause very negative side effects which make taking the medication less beneficial, but usually still good. And of course there are still always the people who think it isn't working because it doesn't get them high, because, well, that's all they really know anymore. But if they used a little bit of sensibility and common sense they would realize the problem. You HAVE to want to get better for ANY kind of treatment to work, I don't give a crap what it is. And I don't mean the "I'm miserable so I guess I'll do it" kind of desire to get clean, but the "I'm miserable and I HAVE to change what I do right now and improve my life through whatever means necessary" kind of desire to get better.
There was some discussion about the issue of suboxone and drug tests. While it will still always depend on the person, considering we don't understand EVERYTHING about metabolization in the body, as a general rule buprenorphine does not metabolize into morphine in the body and as a result does not usually test positive for "opiates." HOWEVER, Suboxone also contains Naloxone. It seems there was a little bit of disagreement and discussion about this above, but regardless of what anyone says I can guarantee you that naloxone has the ability to create a false positive for "opioids" such as oxycodone.
Here is why:
While the bioavailability of naloxone is next to none is because it is largely not water soluble. This does not mean it is COMPLETELY insoluble, though. On the other hand, most opiates/opioids ARE soluble and thus can be absorbed sublingually. The usual company line is that naloxone CANT be absorbed orally, but this is basically bogus because when it comes to the gastrointestinal, even the most insoluble substances to some degree can be absorbed. So, while it may not be absorbed sublingually, it can definitely be absorbed intestinally to some degree. This was evidenced by a peer reviewed study that found 50% of unknowing subjects reported adverse effects common with introduction of naloxone into the bloodstream with buprenorphine after switching from Subutex. This was primarily in the high dosage range, but long term treatment also shows some negative effects. As for naloxone testing positive on an oxycodone EMIT immunoassay, a peer reviewed medical study found in Clinical Chemistry in 2009 reported that 69% of samples tested positive for the HEIA through the metabolites noroxycodone and noroxymorphone. Some cross-reactivity for oxycodone and opiates has also been reported with use of other prescription pain medicines such as hydrocodone.
So in short, 70% of the samples tested positive for oxycodone due to the presence of naloxone in the blood stream. Jenkins would later test actual Suboxone patients with similar results. He also said that increasing the cut off level of the immunoassay would reduce the false-positive rate from 69% to 5%, which is still obscenely high in any kind of "medical" test.
For those doubters, I tested this myself. I bought 3 identical 12-panel tests. I am a long term patient of Suboxone treatment since 2007 and have not taken any other controlled substances since 2007. I take 8mg/day. The first urine test was taken about 30 minutes after swallowing the medication, and it was a clear positive result for oxycodone. The half life of naloxone is usually 1-1.5 hours, and around 7 times that the drug is fully metabolized in a healthy, active patient. So I took the second test roughly 48 hours after no medication, and received a faint but clear negative on everything including oxycodone. The last test was conducted after taking medication but not swallowing it afterwards (I spit it out) for a couple of days, and the result was again a faint negative.
So you can see here that the problem is not the buprenorphine, which most people assume it is. Your enemy is the naloxone, which, despite very low bioavailability, can become present in the bloodstream through prolonged treatment at high doses and frequencies (including daily), regardless of what anyone says. The problem is that no doctor (including a Suboxone doctor) will have ever heard of this happening, care of hearing about it, or believe what you say. This includes MRO's who evaluate positive results in drug tests. They believe their training and knowledge is god and nothing can contradict it, so good luck convincing them otherwise. Your only chance would be to kindly explain you take a prescribed medication that is chemically similar and has been shown to cause false positives for oxycodone through a peer reviewed medical/chemistry/pharmacology journal article. The link to the data is here: http://www.clinchem.org/content/55/7/1434.full.pdf...
I suggest that just to play it safe and to possibly make yourself feel better anyways by limiting the possible effects of a minor naloxone counteraction in the body, JUST DON'T SWALLOW YOUR MEDICATION AFTER TAKING IT. Leave it in about 10 minutes, spit it out (politely/privately), then rinse your mouth with water and spit that out.
Also, the test for buprenorphine actually isn't that expensive as people say. Some people are going around saying that it costs so much that most employers and doctors don't do it unless absolutely necessary.
I found individual EMIT immunoassays for buprenorphine only for about $2 each. My doctor said he pays less than that for them by buying in bulk and by being a doctor prescribing Suboxone (like super cheap). Then they usually buy an additional 5 panel dip test for cheap, and occasionally other things such as oxycodone tests. Suboxone treatment doctors usually do a standard 5-panel along with oxycodone and buprenorphine.
If you do test positive for something during an employment drug test while using Suboxone legally and are truly not taking or being exposed to illegal drugs (prescription drugs used without prescription are the same as an illicit drug) and you are an existing employee, you have the right to request a confirmation test of the original sample, which are usually more accurate. Whether this will clear up the false positive or not, who knows; the drug testing lab makes money by saying their product is infallible, so they are going to resist ever having to say their test messed up to the people who they depend on for income, but they are SUPPOSED to.
If you are in pre-employment and have established a good relationship with your future employers and you get a false positive, stand firm but do not become defensive. You do not have the right to a confirmation test before employment, but try to offer to have the original sample confirmation tested at your own expense ($100-200). Explain to them that you take a medication that is chemically similar and can break down in the body to cause false positives. You don't have to explain why you take it or what it is for. Offering to pay that much for a better test shows that either you are certain there was a mistake or that you are very stubborn dummy. Because if you knew you had taken drugs illegally and offered to pay over $100 to have that fact confirmed, you're not really thinking straight.
suboxin used CORRECTLY is help nd can detox u in as little as 5 days. Everyone as a story and mine is no different other than people posting negg things about the drug are the ones abusing it or not following directions. I hav been clean for 14 days after 3 years of opiates/oxys and its all due to subs
I'm five months pregnant have been on methadone most of my pregnancy I have been out of town for two days its the weekend and im so sick. I called the doctor they didn't help much were kinda rude actually what can I do how can I get well I don't want my baby to be going thru withdrawl but I also don't want to have to use ever again
Drug tests for opiates (the mouth swab ones) test for 6-mam, this distinguishes between heroin and codeine so they can tell if it's actual smack. Also, if you have never had problems with iv use, or have kidney or liver problems, they will prescribe you subutex instead of suboxone. Subutex is injectable whereas suboxone isn't, which is why they dont like to prescribe it. Also suboxone only comes in 8mg and 2mg tablets, whereas subutex comes in 8mg, 2mg and 0.4mg so once you get down reducing to small amounts ie less than 6mg they will swap you to subutex.
I was prescribed subs straight from heroin gram+ a day and was well scared thanks to all the bs fellow junkies who have no interest in sorting themselves out fed me. I can promise you if it has been at least EIGHT HOURS from your last hit, you will be fine if you take the subs properly ie under your tongue. You can use gear on top of subs but it's pointless- however it won't make you ill. Taking subs straight after gear will make you ill
Also meth hangs around in your system for days whereas heroin only lasts around 8-12hours. If you take subs straight from meth, wait as long as you possibly can, at least 18 hours. I was terrified of subs, had heard bad things and totally was prepared to fail. But they really work. They're the easiest opiate substitute to reduce and I don't look or feel like a junkie anymore - ppl don't know I'm an addict unless I tell them these days. I started on 16mg a day and am now on 4.8mg a day (been ten months.) It wasn't until I was really bad that I wanted to be clean bad enough to do it. But once you stop lying to yourself its actually pretty cool achieving a life rather than an existence :-) the best thing ever is waking up each morning not ill and not panicking about money and scoring, good luck everyone
hi i am starting subox tomorrow morning and hope all eorks out for me been on opiates for about 10 years or so it is only reasently i have relized how much of a problems it has been in my home life trying to hide it all the time and stuff anyone got any advise i bought some 8 mg strips to start i hope they work well yjanks and have a bless day
i am trying to find a doctor to give me subutex not suboxone i cannot take them does anyone no any drs?
I'm Scared Shitless..I have been on a Methadone Clinic for about 2 years now and it helped me to get away from people, places and things.. But bc of payment I'm being discharged and it's a 10day detox from 125mgs to 0. I've been contemplating whether to go to a new clinic an hour away instead but it's $340 monthly.. Before Methadone I tried Subs to get off dope but it didn't work- but I was still in Using mode. I no longer think about Heroin but I am scared shitless of the withdraw of Methadone.. I need to know If Subutex will be good to switch to and not feel the intense withdraws. I know it's supposed to b oka- but I need advice from someone with Experience Only. Sorry but those without can guess as well as I can.. Subutex is 'Supposed to' be okay but I don't want to throw myself in a worse withdraw then I have to. Thanks to everyone- a lot of the posts help and Addicts learn most (good/bad) from fellow Addicts
def have the experience.methadone clinic to suboxone to methadone to subutex...you name it.been outa methadone clinic for 1 year now and looking back, the subutex was better for me i think its up to the individual.i was in the same shape came off 100mg in ten days to 0.i ended up in a 10 day detox center.the withdrawals were pretty bad im not gunna lie.i think the withdrawals from subutex are pretty bad also.be careful taking the suboxone too close to the last time you took the methadone or it will send you into instant withdrawals!bad.you will be okay.the subutex or suboxone is cheaper per month and you dont have to drive it every day!its usually once a month which saves alota gas.good luck.
does anyone know how i can find a suboxone doc who accepts tenn care.i live in clinton tn and cant find a doc.ive researched and looked everywhere.none of them accept tenncare for the visit and i cant afford to pay the fee for the visit right now.
Thanks.. I had chances at the clinic but my detox is half over and it's crazy but I actually feel a little better than before- still ddnt hit the worst part yet tho.. Trying to stay positive bout it. I think it's time for me to try and work my new found willpower- it's bc of methadOne I feel more comfortable going on Subs.. I tried it when I was using but I couldn't do it.. Now that I've been away from everything for a while. I think I'm ready to try taking Subs everyday.. Methadone isn't easy to take- it takes dedication I began going to a clinic an hour and half away from my house for a few mOns then they opened 1 in my town- but still it's everyday & harsh on the Tummy. So my advice is Try it All before Methadone- but it does work, I don't even thInk bout using & I NeveR thought that was possible- but it takes a long time.. Thanks for all the advice and I'll keep posting how I feel during the transition ;) Mayb it'll help some1 out
no suboxen doesnt show up on a drug test as opiates so either ur still doin them or its still in ur system bc that makes no sense at all to me y it would show up as that..
I am currently on subutex and was on suboxone and it saved my life and gave me the greatest gift of all it enabled me to be a father to my son who is my whole world ... oh and I know 100% fact don't get this twisted subs do NOT show up on any modern conventional drug screens.
Take it under the advice of your doctor.
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if you are on suboxine you are still in active addiction. that's the way it is no if ands or buts about it.
I had a baby on subatex
Been on subutex for 3 years after 5 years (any) pain pill addiction and then a 3 year methadone addiction. I was getting everything off the street. The only positive of the methadone addiction was that it helped me reduce the number of doses I took a day. Pain pills I was taking every couple of hours, but with methadone, I was able to take 2 doses per day. The subs have saved my life. My kids now have a better life. I have a new car now. I have a house. I have money. I exercise daily. I lost all the methadone weight plus some. I'm in the best shape of my life. However, now I want off the subs. I long for a life that does not include medicating myself daily. I want a chance to see if the old me is in here somewhere.
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To each and everyone that is taking suboxin to get off other drugs plese do yourselves a huge favor ans simply ween yourself off the drug you have been taking. By switching to another drug your just trading one evil for another and once you go into thise suboxin clinics and say i need help im addicted to pain pills there will be no going back. I have seen first hand what happens to someone that is being rushed into a ER and in a suboxin clinic. There is very little that can be done for you due to the fact that a doctor does not want to be sued for giving you narcotics while you are attempting to get clean. My friend was thrown from a vehicle which landed on her leg and upon arrival to the ER one of the staff pulled her name up on the computer nd there it was where she was in a suboxin clinic. She was given every pain reliever known to man but non narcotic and my friend suffered greatly. They finally gave her something in her IV and eventually she went to sleep. So if you really want to get clean you can do it on your own without the aide of other drugs.
Seems to be a great deal of surety that suboxin will not show up in a urine screen. Id sure like to know how it came up in mine during my yearly drug screen and not only mine but a neighbor of mine as well and i have never taken one of those things in my life
I went on Suboxone in 2005 after 2 weeks in detox. By day 5 I was ready to leave, but I had insurance that thought 2 weeks was how long I needed to start working a program. In 2007 I as rear ended and my dr changed me to 4 - Non Generic SUBUTEX a day, 120 tramadol, & within 2 months I was supplying 4-5 people a month. We 5 who tried it I.V. lost 4 years of our lives. I managed to work 40 hours, was a care giver, and raising 2 sons. June of 2014 I cold turkeyed everything, lost a job of 8 years, and had had enough. I slipped once & couldn't believe what all was involved. I was shooting one 8mg subutex in 4ths, one a day. I cold turkeyed a 400 mg. oxycontin habit for a month, it was easy compared to the IV Subutex. I found a new job, had the shits for6 months, no energy. Now I am back on the tablets. the dr. feelgood I was seeing unknowingly killed 18 patients and no longer has a medical licence in Ohio.