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Sun Sep 30, 2012, 01:31 AM
Bacchus4.0 (6,500 posts)
Two Venezuelan opposition activists shot dead
Source: Reuters
Two Venezuelan opposition activists shot dead
CARACAS (Reuters) - Gunmen shot and killed two local leaders of parties backing presidential challenger Henrique Capriles on Saturday in the worst violence of a volatile campaign before Venezuela's election next weekend.
Capriles' party, Primero Justicia (First Justice), said the gunmen fired from a van that witnesses identified as belonging to state oil company PDVSA or the local mayor's office during a rally in the agricultural state of Barinas.
The government of President Hugo Chavez, who is seeking re-election, confirmed the deaths and vowed the perpetrators would be brought to justice. Interior Minister Tareck El Aissami said the circumstances of the attack were still under investigation.
Venezuela is awash with guns, and violent crime is frequently cited as voters' No. 1 concern.
Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/chavez-showcases-projects-capriles-hits-hard-venezuela-vote-002051661.html
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Response to Bacchus4.0 (Original post)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 02:03 AM
Common Sense Party (14,139 posts)
1. They were backing Chavez' rival? The shootings were purely coincidental, then.
Their deaths had NOTHING to do with their politics.
Response to Common Sense Party (Reply #1)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 02:10 AM
loli phabay (5,580 posts)
2. lol i see what you did there, bravo
Response to loli phabay (Reply #2)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 10:32 AM
Igel (25,818 posts)
15. Yes, it's called parody.
It's only slightly different from what he's parodying, but said in the same spirit of earnest truthfulness and implicit open-mindedness.
Response to Common Sense Party (Reply #1)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 09:29 AM
UnrepentantLiberal (11,700 posts)
11. But but...
The government of President Hugo Chavez, who is seeking re-election, confirmed the deaths and vowed the perpetrators would be brought to justice.
Response to Common Sense Party (Reply #1)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 01:07 PM
hughee99 (14,837 posts)
40. You're forgetting about the CIA backed false flag possibility. n/t
Response to Common Sense Party (Reply #1)
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 01:00 AM
tiny elvis (979 posts)
55. where dat dam van, primero justicia's link to gov conspiracy?
Response to Bacchus4.0 (Original post)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 02:10 AM
tiny elvis (979 posts)
3. state oil company PDVSA or the local mayor's office
that line does not work without explanation
too much typing for reuters
do they twitter?
Response to tiny elvis (Reply #3)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 03:51 AM
joshcryer (58,593 posts)
5. The colors of the mayors office and PDVSA are similar.
There's a reason they attacked the photographer, too. They wanted to hide the evidence as is oh so common with Chavistas.
Response to joshcryer (Reply #5)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 12:18 PM
JackRiddler (24,862 posts)
27. There you go, you've already convicted the unknown perpetrators.
Shame on you.
Response to JackRiddler (Reply #27)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 12:52 PM
joshcryer (58,593 posts)
38. What? There will be no credible investigation. Are you kidding me?
Berroterán Alexander, a well known Chavista, shot two people in an assassination attempt against Capriles. He was never arrested.
The head of PDVSA had two refinery explosions in as many weeks. Still on the job.
The foreign minister of the country (ie, Sec. of State) called Capriles a "f***ot" and wasn't even reprimanded.
I am merely pointing out that this is the modus operandi of the Chavistas.
Response to Bacchus4.0 (Original post)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 03:47 AM
joshcryer (58,593 posts)
4. Three dead now.
Chavista scum.
Response to joshcryer (Reply #4)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 12:19 PM
JackRiddler (24,862 posts)
28. Flying the colors for the CIA-backed candidate as usual.
Response to JackRiddler (Reply #28)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 12:42 PM
joshcryer (58,593 posts)
33. The more popular candidate, actually.
Response to joshcryer (Reply #33)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 09:27 PM
wordpix (18,652 posts)
51. certainly are a lot of people out in the streets supporting Chavez' opponent
Response to joshcryer (Reply #4)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 12:33 PM
Bodhi BloodWave (2,346 posts)
31. as i asked in the other thread on this topic, what evidence do you have that it was chavistas
that was behind this?
Response to Bodhi BloodWave (Reply #31)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 12:42 PM
joshcryer (58,593 posts)
32. Eyewitness accounts and the fact that it's par for the course for them.
We have video and photographic evidence that one of them tried to assassinate Capriles a few months back, so I'm inclined to believe this instance even though there isn't much evidence. Chavista's take the cameras away from reporters on scene.
The Chavista's have been blocking Capriles and his supporters from attending campaign events on several occasions.
Response to joshcryer (Reply #32)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 12:51 PM
Bodhi BloodWave (2,346 posts)
37. so the witnesses got a good look at the people shooting then?
or are we as i asked on the other thread placing guilt based on the color of a van?
It seems to me that you have already acted as a judge and jury on who is at fault.
Response to Bodhi BloodWave (Reply #37)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 01:01 PM
joshcryer (58,593 posts)
39. There won't be a credible investigation.
So it doesn't really matter, does it?
I suppose it is just a coincidence that the only people killed were opposition members.
Just basic street crime, right?
The first reply to this thread is priceless, because that's what's happening here.
You look at the police who murdered Karen Berendique (and who, in a twist, were defended here on DU). Not one of them was charged. The same is going to happen here. Nothing will come of it.
Response to joshcryer (Reply #39)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 01:08 PM
Bodhi BloodWave (2,346 posts)
41. more or less as I suspected then, its your bias and dislike of Chavez that has you assign blame
I was hoping you knew something I didn't about what happened but it seems that's not the case.
Response to Bodhi BloodWave (Reply #41)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 01:14 PM
joshcryer (58,593 posts)
42. I just know the character of Chavistas.
What you do here is dismiss the evidence I provide in other scenarios that would make this seem more credible.
I admit I don't currently have more information than that and I highly doubt anyone will ever be charged for these murders.
But surely the "coincidence" scenario is just ridiculous as post #1 points out.
Response to joshcryer (Reply #42)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 02:10 PM
Bodhi BloodWave (2,346 posts)
46. i prefer to have some proper knowledge rather then assume things since everybody knows what
often happens when you assume things.
And you are correct, i do somewhat dismiss what happened in other scenarios since they are not related to this one(its far to easy to make unrelated links and wrong conclusions) and I'm sure if i looked into past events i could find some events that i could point at as evidence supporting an opinion that some of Capriles supporters did it to discredit Chavez(not saying thats what happened nor do i really believe so since there is no evidence, but its just as valid a claim as automatically saying it was chavistas )
and in regards to what i wrote above in the first (), a twist on something i read on DU a while back
fact/evidence 1: my house has a broken window
fact/evidence 2: there is an unusual rock inside my house
conclusion: Aliens broke my window so they could get inside and spy on me, it has to be true since i have 2 pieces of evidence to support my view
Response to Bodhi BloodWave (Reply #46)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 02:24 PM
joshcryer (58,593 posts)
48. That's not a similar conclusion though.
I'm not, for example, blaming the CIA (now that would be a conclusion that would be difficult to jump to).
They apparently arrested someone so we'll see if we can find out how closely tied to the chavistas they are.
They're not releasing a name which is unusual.
Response to joshcryer (Reply #48)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 02:39 PM
Bodhi BloodWave (2,346 posts)
49. true its not a similar conclusion, nor did i really mean for it to be
it was mostly just to point out that if you have decided on an answer then you can often look at past events and find things to support said answer.
In my eyes you seem to want to blame the chavistas thus you look for similarities that have happened in the past to support said claim, whereas if I were to decide that it had to have been some of Capriles supporters wanting to frame Chavez then I likewise could find similarities in past events to strengthen my claim(I think both of us agree that having an answer and then looking for supporting evidence is the wrong way to decide things yes )
I hope we will learn more information on who was arrested and his motives et al tho, if guilty i hope they throw the book at him no matter who he supported(but i refuse to blame most supporters for the actions of a few no matter who they support)
addendum: while I admit I may be wrong about your stance on wanting to assigning blame its how it has comes across to me when reading your posts on this subject which is all i can base it on, so if i am wrong then i apologize
Response to Bacchus4.0 (Original post)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 05:11 AM
napoleon_in_rags (3,989 posts)
6. Yeah, there's some history there.
Check out John Pilger's The War On Democracy documentary. Regarding the 2002 coup against Chavez, he presents footage and the CNN correspondent of the generals making comments about the deaths (supposedly caused by Chavez supporters) before the opposition march, and the shootings, happened - so they knew it was coming in advance. This info, I believe, was widely presented to the public after the uprising that lead to Chavez being re-instated. So the point is, don't expect a big reaction to this in Venezuela.
Response to napoleon_in_rags (Reply #6)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 05:32 AM
joshcryer (58,593 posts)
7. There was already an assassination attempt on Capriles by a well known Chavista.
And this is the third time Chavista's have attacked Capriles rallies.
It is well known that the Chavistas have a strategy to provoke violence at campaign events.
Note: "provocar situaciones de agitacion politica"
Basically: "Provoke situations that agitate politically."
Response to joshcryer (Reply #7)
Mon Oct 15, 2012, 03:17 AM
napoleon_in_rags (3,989 posts)
56. responding a couple weeks late here, but...
The situation is this: There was a coup attempt in 2006 with ties to foreign money and the people found out. Just for the sake of thought experiment, imagine it here:
1) Romney/Obama wins the next election, some are positive, some are negative about it, but none are militant.
2) Opposition plans a protest in DC of the prez. But when they get there, they are redirected from the route they thought they would take, toward the white house.
3) Snipers open up on the crowd, killing numerous people. The prez is blamed.
4) The military shows up to "stop the violence against the protesters", and to accomplish this, they make the president disappear.
5) most of the media talks about how lucky we are to be rid of the prez, a new prez from out of nowhere is installed.
6) a few small radio stations talk about hinky parts of the story. It turns out the statement made by the generals about the shooting, was recorded before the shooting for instance. It turns out the generals who made the pres disappeared were all funded by China.
7) The people rise up, and the generals and the replacement prez get evacuate the country, headed for China. The people put the prez they voted for back in.
Okay, so what happens now? The first thing is, whoever was elected prez, he's gonna be the next four term prez. Why? Because its no longer about Dem vs. Repub, its about national sovereignty vs. foreign control. What happened was so tricky and crafty, people will hold on to the one person they KNOW is the real thing for as long as they can. That's what happened with Castro in Cuba for instance.
Its ALL about the point where it becomes seen as a foreign invasion. As soon as opposition takes the foreign money and is seen fleeing the country after a failed coup, its all over. The reason violent Chavistas don't draw concern is because looking at them its literally unclear whether their intent is fascistic domestic violence, or self defense of their nation against foreign forces that would kidnap their democratically elected leaders, as happened in 2006. This is one of the many reasons we should learn to mind our own business, and let other countries work through their own process.
Response to napoleon_in_rags (Reply #56)
Mon Oct 15, 2012, 03:55 AM
Ash_F (5,861 posts)
57. Well put.
To put it in an America perspective was helpful. Many American DUers seem to think there should be one set of rules for themselves and another set of rules for the rest of the world.
Mandela was blamed for the violent acts of a few of his supporters as well. At the time, he was reviled by the American right. History has exonerated him and it has now become unpopular to use that argument to defame him.
Response to napoleon_in_rags (Reply #6)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 06:22 AM
Judi Lynn (114,196 posts)
8. You may recall the opposition has been using "guarimba" (violent protest) for years.
Here's one quick reference:
Response to Judi Lynn (Reply #8)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 07:26 AM
joshcryer (58,593 posts)
9. That was 8 years ago and has no current connection to the opposition.
Which is composed of mainly the youth and female vote in Venezuela.
Many of Capriles current supporters were teens when that went down.
The Chavistas have an open policy of attacking Capriles supporters.
The murders of these Capriles supporters is both unsurprising and expected from the fascistic Chavistas.
Response to joshcryer (Reply #9)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 10:19 AM
Arctic Dave (13,812 posts)
14. "fascistic"? If Hugo Chavez is a leftist, how can he be "fascistic"?
Did you get that from a teapartiers billboard?
Response to Arctic Dave (Reply #14)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 11:05 AM
joshcryer (58,593 posts)
20. Did I mention Chavez?
I am talking about Chavistas us use fascistic style oppression to silence and intimidate the opposition.
I suppose one can see this sort of thing as "revolutionary"...
Response to joshcryer (Reply #20)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 11:12 AM
Arctic Dave (13,812 posts)
21. Not sure what picture is for but, OK?
Can you please give clue as to what "fascist style oppression" is?
Is that Project Runway thing?
Response to Arctic Dave (Reply #21)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 11:25 AM
joshcryer (58,593 posts)
22. Pedantry aside here:
Response to joshcryer (Reply #22)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 12:03 PM
Arctic Dave (13,812 posts)
24. The first sentence of your link.
"The word fascist is sometimes used to denigrate people, institutions, or groups that would not describe themselves as ideologically fascist, and that may not fall within the formal definition of the word."
Teapartiers love to make up their own definitions too.
Response to Arctic Dave (Reply #24)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 12:08 PM
joshcryer (58,593 posts)
25. Running around attacking people is oppressive.
Murdering people, more so.
When it's part of the Chavista platform, well, one must think sharply about it.
Response to joshcryer (Reply #25)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 12:16 PM
Arctic Dave (13,812 posts)
26. Platform? LOL
I would say that was the platform of the people who tried to murderously overthrow the government.
Hmmm, that happens to be the people your are siding with.
Response to Arctic Dave (Reply #26)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 12:44 PM
joshcryer (58,593 posts)
34. That was a decade ago most of whom were exiled.
The current opposition is not the same makeup of people that existed back then. A lot of Capriles supporters, the vast majority, were teenagers or kids when that went down.
Response to Judi Lynn (Reply #8)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 10:35 AM
Igel (25,818 posts)
17. Any breakdown on how many people were killed by the protesters.
And how many killed by those among the forces of pacification?
This would seem to be an important point of fact. We've often seen peaceful protesters facing pacification at gunpoint and the receiving end of a cudgel and noted who, actually, was responsible for and for provoking violence and death. Often we see the point fudged and finessed.
Response to Igel (Reply #17)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 12:48 PM
joshcryer (58,593 posts)
36. They're trying to make up a conspiracy where the opposition killed their own people.
But if you watch X Ray of a Lie the only people armed are Chavistas. At one point the Chavista's had actually got on top of a bridge with guns and rocks and were planning to throw rocks on the marching opposition. The police, to their credit, diverted the march so that the Chavistas couldn't murder innocent protesters.
Response to Bacchus4.0 (Original post)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 09:08 AM
Peace Patriot (24,010 posts)
10. Typical corporate bullshit article at election time in Venezuela.
Rotters oughta be ashamed, but then...they're rotters--a well earned epithet.
Para 4 is a dead giveaway:
"Venezuela is awash with guns, and violent crime is frequently cited as voters' No. 1 concern." --Rotters
So... vote against Chavez, you stupid peasants! Murder, chaos, your love of guns--all Chavez's fault! Ignore your prosperity! Ignore your free universal health care! Ignore your free education through college! Ignore benefiting from your oil! Ignore your feeling of well-being-- the Gallup poll in which you rate your own country fifth in the world on your own feeling of well-being and future prospects! Ignore your 'New Deal'! 'New Deals' are evil! They result in murder and chaos! Chavistas are going to murder you in your beds! Look how they're running around murdering innocent rightwing campaigners! Your're next! Vote for the USAID candidate, give up your 'New Deal' and the murders will stop! Believe in the rich getting richer! The rich will bring lawn order! The fascists will make you safe!
Really, it is so frigging transparent!
Who knows what the truth of this dismal event was. But one thing is certain: you will never read any follow-up from Rotters, or from the propagandists and coupsters of the corporate media within Venezuela. The fuckers aren't allowed to run 'hit piece' ads in the last weeks of an election campaign, in the rules of one of the best election systems in Latin America (according to the Carter Center and other election monitoring groups). So they do THIS! --a campaign 'hit piece' disguised as a 'news' article, which blatantly promotes this year's fascist talking point as the 'lesson' of this incident.
"Venezuela RUN BY CHAVEZ is awash with CHAVEZ guns, and CHAVEZ'S violent crime is frequently cited as voters' No. 1 concern BUT WE WON'T TELL YOU, AND WE WILL NEVER TELL, WHY VENEZUELANS STILL VOTE FOR CHAVEZ, TIME AND AGAIN, BY BIG MARGINS. THEY'RE JUST STUPID PEASANTS ANYWAY VOTING FOR THIS KILLER AND CHAOS-MAN AND DICTATOR AND INCOMPETENT WHO IS SO TYRANNICAL HE CAN'T STOP STREET CRIME. VOTE AGAINST HIM! VOTE AGAINST MURDER AND CHAOS! VOTE FOR CIA LAWN ORDER! THEY KNOW WHAT'S GOOD FOR YOU! THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN IN COUNTRIES RUN BY EXXON MOBIL! BELIEVE US! AND WHEN YOU VOTE FOR CHAVEZ ANYWAY, DESPITE ALL THIS MURDER AND CHAOS, WE'LL BE ABLE TO SAY, 'IN AN ELECTION MARKED BY VIOLENCE AGAINST OPPOSITION CAMPAIGN WORKERS...BLAH, BLAH, BLAH." --Rotters
Rotten. To. The. Core.
Response to Peace Patriot (Reply #10)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 09:33 AM
UnrepentantLiberal (11,700 posts)
12. Life is easy when everything that challenges your beliefs
can be written off as a conspiracy.
Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Reply #12)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 10:34 AM
Peace Patriot (24,010 posts)
16. Sorry, but chavistas just don't do this sort of thing--shoot people!
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And, furthermore, they don't have to, in order to win elections. They win on ideas and on factual, provable government performance. For the instance...
The UN Economic Commission on Latin America and the Caribbean recently designated Venezuela "THE most equal country in Latin America" on income distribution.
The Gallup poll recently reported that Venezuelans rate their own country fifth in the world on their own well-being and future prospects.
The recent Mitofsky-Mexico study of all polls rated Chavez the fourth most popular leader in the Americas (64% average approval rating).
Venezuela has one of the lowest unemployment rates in Latin America. It has met ALL of its Millennium goals, including cutting poverty in half and cutting extreme poverty by more than 70%, and dramatically improving access to health care and education.
Rotters wants Venezuelans to forget all this and go for fascist 'lawn order.' And when Venezuelans vote for their 'New Deal' once again, Rotters wants to be able to say that it's because chavistas shoot opposition campaigners.
Their vile implication is VERY CLEAR.
And I think we're going to find out, when Chavez wins his third term*, that, a) Venezuelans don't blame Chavez for street crime, and they know he doesn't approve of it and wants to stop it, and b) they trust Chavez to solve this problem--as he and his government have solved so many other problems (lack of health care, lack of educational opportunities, Exxon Mobil taking all the oil profits, etc.) and they don't trust Capriles to do anything but serve the rich 1%.
Guess who Rotters serves, 24/7, year in, year out?
*(Just to point out: Franklin Delano Roosevelt was elected to four terms as president of the U.S., and died in his fourth term. Then, in the mid-1950s, the Republicans rammed a bill through Congress limiting the president to two terms, in order to prevent a 'New Deal' from ever happening here again and to begin to dismantle the one we had (which they have almost completed doing). In Venezuela, the people get to vote on the provisions of their own constitution--and they voted to lift the term limits on the president and on state governors. They wanted Chavez to be able to run again, partly because they approve of their 'New Deal' and want it to continue, and partly because they believe--like Thomas Jefferson and most of the founders of our own country--that term limits are undemocratic. They argued that there is no reason whatever why someone who serves the people well should not be elected time and again, in a democratic system with honest elections. We had that once--an honest election system. The Venezuelans have it now--one of the best in Latin America, according to all independent authorities, and, if the truth were known, probably one of the best in the world. Rotters and the Corporate 'News' media of course want to sully it, since they're losing THEIR campaign against Chavez.)
Response to Peace Patriot (Reply #16)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 11:03 AM
joshcryer (58,593 posts)
19. Bullshit, Berroterán Alexander is a chavista and he tried to kill Capriles.
That is a fact. The pictures prove it. All eye witness accounts prove it.
They're not going to win this time around which is why they've resorted to high handed violent tactics to suppress the opposition.
Response to Peace Patriot (Reply #16)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 11:42 AM
wordpix (18,652 posts)
23. do you really think Chavez will allow fair elections when he's shut down all unbiased news outlets
except one? And that one is constantly being threatened.
This is not good governance. Venezuela is a place where people are regularly kidnapped off the street just for appearing well dressed or even middle class. And if you're found to be important, the kidnap victim is "sold" to professional kidnappers who know how to up the ransom and get the money.
This nation is not a secure place to live. And the poor are still desperately poor, living in slums without roofs or doors, not to mention modern means of sanitation.
Response to Peace Patriot (Reply #10)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 11:01 AM
joshcryer (58,593 posts)
18. They are not going to vote for him this time.
Watch and see.
And wonder why.
Response to Bacchus4.0 (Original post)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 09:51 AM
UTUSN (44,826 posts)
13. Huguito "vowed the perpetrators would be brought to justice" translated: Orgy with Naomi CAMPBELL nt
Response to Bacchus4.0 (Original post)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 12:26 PM
hrmjustin (71,135 posts)
29. I wish these people could find some peace in their politics
Response to hrmjustin (Reply #29)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 11:33 PM
Common Sense Party (14,139 posts)
52. I wish we could, too.
Response to Bacchus4.0 (Original post)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 12:27 PM
Comrade Grumpy (13,184 posts)
30. Meanwhile, the Colombian state is complicit in the murders of thousands.
With the help of billions of US tax dollars, yet some of the loudest defenders of democracy have nothing to say about that. Is there a double standard at work?
Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #30)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 12:46 PM
joshcryer (58,593 posts)
35. Colombia and Venezuela both have led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands.
If you knew my posts on the subject you'd know I sympathize greatly with the people in both countries' murderous regimes.
The key is that when you point out that over 100k people have been needlessly murdered in Venezuela, "Chavez reduced poverty!" is the go to response.
Response to joshcryer (Reply #35)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 01:36 PM
Comrade Grumpy (13,184 posts)
45. You're comparing state-sanctioned murder to criminal violence?
That's weak sauce.
I guess I would know your posts on the subject if I ever saw them. I usually click on all the Colombia and Venezuela threads, but I never see you posting about the Colombia atrocities (which is not to say you never do), yet you can be counted on to be blowing your anti-fascist horn repeatedly in the Venezuela threads.
Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #45)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 02:22 PM
joshcryer (58,593 posts)
47. No, you are.
I do not make a distinction. FARC-AUC was criminal violence as much as barrio gangs are criminal violence.
Response to Bacchus4.0 (Original post)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 01:18 PM
dipsydoodle (42,239 posts)
43. Suspect arrested in 2 killings in Venezuela
CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) -- Venezuela's justice minister says a suspect has been arrested after two people were killed in a shooting that erupted during an opposition campaign caravan.
Justice Minister Tareck El Aissami said in a message on Twitter on Sunday that a suspect in the double murder was detained. He didn't identify the suspect.
Opposition lawmaker Julio Cesar Reyes said on Saturday that a group of President Hugo Chavez's supporters blocked the caravan in western Barinas state and people on both sides were arguing when a gunman appeared and started shooting.
Opposition officials said both men killed were participants in a motorcade of supporters of opposition candidate Henrique Capriles.
Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #43)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 01:23 PM
joshcryer (58,593 posts)
44. Wow, gobsmacked! "He didn't identify the suspect."
We'll see if anything comes of it.
Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #43)
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 12:31 AM
tiny elvis (979 posts)
53. what happened to the official van the plurality of gunmen fired from?
Primero Justicia, a party, is the quoted source from reuters
an oblique accusation from an entire party is the information from reuters
who lied?
no one is accountable
mistakes were made
what van?
Response to tiny elvis (Reply #53)
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 02:10 PM
tiny elvis (979 posts)
54. sersly, exxonmobil supporters, whither the van?
Primero Justicia said the gunmen fired from a van that witnesses identified as belonging to state oil company PDVSA or the local mayor's office
Response to tiny elvis (Reply #54)
Mon Oct 15, 2012, 05:46 AM
bitchkitty (7,344 posts)
58. The van? It's hidden in the same place as the infamous laptop, no doubt. n/t
Response to Bacchus4.0 (Original post)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 07:09 PM
Pterodactyl (1,687 posts)
50. With Venezuela, it is hard to differentiate between political-crime and crime-crime.
Either way, the likelihood of being shot is way too high.


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1) Believe that people are generally good;
2) Do things slowly or be patient;
3) It's ok to walk if something is half a mile away.
I'm now done with school, and feel none the wiser for it. If anything, I'm a bit disillusioned with the whole college experience thing. Still, I met some good people, had fun, and read some good books... So it wasn't a total wash. Now I'm off to get a real person job.
I'm an interesting mix of Chinese and Irish, my sister and I decided that the politically correct term is "Chirish". I'm a pretty liberal person (for the most part) and a very open person. Literally, I'll talk about myself all day if given the chance.
Uh, last things... I enjoy comics (Vertigo specifically), learning how to cook new dishes and why they work the way they do, video games (Lots of Rock Band, Smash Bros, and League of Legends), running, and reading.
I am tangential, relaxed, and loquacious
*Learning to bake and not being terrible
*Shooting games (BANG BANG)
*Rhythm games
*Using phrases and colloquialisms post-ironically
Sometimes I like to tell stories or pretend that I can write and draw.
That's a plus, right?
Also, I've been told I look like a "James", but that's my dad's name.
Which is weird.
Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus by Ludwig Wittgenstein
It by Stephen King
Lullaby by Chuck Palahniuk
Zombie Survival Guide by Max Brooks
The Girl Who Owned a City by O. T. Nelson (Shut up, it's a great book despite the fact that it's Ayn Rand for pre-teens)
P.S: I hate Ayn Rand. She's not a philosopher.
She's a hack writer.
I'm actually not much of a movie guy, but here we go...
Chasing Amy
Empire Strikes Back
Stray Dog
Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade
Big Fish
(If I could, I would probably give this a top 20, however, I will do this in order of favorites)
1. Grandaddy
2. Flaming Lips
4. Beastie Boys
5. Jens Lekman
Runners Up (CHEATING NOW):
Belle & Sebastian (and also God Help the Girl)
The Unicorns (and also Islands)
Girl Talk
Silver Jews
Streetlight Manifesto
Eve 6
Nada Surf
of Montreal
Animal Collective
Yo La Tengo
Jay Z
Nerf Herder
Cubed Steak
Shrimp, prepared any way
Crab cakes
Yellowtail sushi or sashimi, 'cause that's how I roll.
Singapore Style Noodles with heavy yellow curry
My best friend Spencer
My cellphone
A notebook and pencil
Music in general
(Parenthesis... and elipses (and asides (in parenthesis)))
... And if there could be a seven, it would be Pokemon. Man, Pokemon is fun. Probably the best thing to play when struck with insomnia and you're going to be up until daybreak anyways.
Things I daydream about:
Post-apocalyptic wasteland
Zombie infested post-apocalyptic wasteland
Leading a successful career in doing comics or owning a coffee shop
Sometimes I think about stuff that is very boring and dry to most people. These things include:
Politics, and gender roles and how they affect moral systems, and so on and so forth.
I also like to try to guess what people are saying that are just out of earshot, it is usually just "Durrrrrr".
Sometimes I go out to eat or maybe hit up a bar (with friends, I'm not sad enough (yet) to go alone). I'm not much of a drinker/partier. If you can't tell by now, I'm a pretty big nerd.
Due to budget constraints on the prison system, I was let out on parole due to outstanding musical talent.
You have awesomely fashionable short hair;
You don't mind being a nerd at times;
You like to play videogames;
Hey, biking is great(!);
Hiking and dragging along hammocks is fun too;
You just wanna. Seriously, there's absolutely nothing stopping you.

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Summer Slow-Cooking: How to Bake Without Heating Up the Houseby Melissa d'Arabian in Food Network Chef, Recipes, July 19th, 2014
Who doesn't love coming home to the aromas of a slow cooker filled with bubbling chili, steaming chicken and dumplings, or hearty beef stew on a cold day? The slow cooker is a staple for the busy person's winter menu rotation. But come Memorial Day, many of us tuck the slow cooker away in the garage on top of a carton of wool mittens and mothballs, not to be seen before the first chill of Halloween.
I want to change that, one household at a time. I'd like to make the case for slow-cooking in summer. In fact, I think it is the most-underused companion to your summer outdoor barbecue.
In this three-part series, I'll highlight the major slow-cooker benefits to the outdoor grill master. Each week, I'll give you a starter recipe that exemplifies that week's benefit. My hope is that you'll try out my recipes to prove to yourself that barbecues and slow cookers are indeed (unlikely) BFFs, and then using my tips, you'll start using your slow cooker regularly when you fire up that grill.
So fasten your seat belts and join me for the first compelling reason why your slow cooker should be your newest grilling companion:
1. You can bake without heating up your house.
The sun is shining; the weather is warm. You call the neighbors and light the grill to toss on hot dogs and hamburgers. You know what goes well with hamburgers and hot dogs? Your favorite baked beans. Or your grandma's apple cobbler. Or maybe a vanilla cake topped with fresh berries. You know what doesn't go well with a summer barbecue? Heating up your house even more with an oven to make said baked treats. The solution: your slow cooker! Let your slow cooker "bake" those beans (or cobbler or cake). Your house will be filled with all the tempting aromas of baking, without any of that extra heat.
There are, however, a few things to consider when baking in a slow cooker. First, note that baking takes far less time than the braising or simmering operations usually performed in your slow cooker — most baked goods are done in an hour or two on high, which means the "fix it and forget it all day" model of slow-cooking does not apply here! The best strategy I find is to flip the switch on slow-cooker baking about an hour before dinner if I'm baking a dessert. Second, note that a slow cooker will have much more humidity than an oven, as it is tightly covered. Covering the insert with a thin cotton towel will absorb much of the condensation, and removing the lid immediately after cooking will also help. But if you have your heart set on an uber-crunchy apple crisp, better to stick with the oven.
A Recipe to Try: Cobbler is a summer favorite because it takes advantage of the gorgeous seasonal fruits so abundant this time of year. I use peaches and berries because they are so summery, but you can use any fruits you love! And here's a secret: Frozen fruit works incredibly well too. The trick to baking fruit desserts in the slow cooker is to cook on high for shorter periods of time — this will keep the fruit tasting freshest (even if it was frozen).
Try my Summer Slow-Cooker Cobbler to start, then branch out to adapt your favorite recipes!
Doing It on Your Own:
You will have to experiment a bit, because slow cookers vary in heat intensity. But start with the following formula for adapting your baking recipe to a slow-cooker recipe:
- "Bake" in your slow cooker turned on high.
- Double the original oven cooking time.
- Place a thin kitchen towel over the slow-cooker insert before putting on the lid (to absorb condensation).
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Eleni (Alexandra Aidini) and Alexis (Nikos Poursadinis) struggle to keep their love alive amid uncertain times in this first installment of Theo Angelopoulos's trilogy. When Russia invades Odessa, youngsters Eleni and Alexis develop a deep bond in a refugee camp. They fall in love, but circumstances keep them on the move. World War II nears, and the family is torn apart as sons go off to war, Alexis emigrates to America and Eleni is imprisoned.


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In its first incarnation, Kiss of the Spider Woman was a novel by Manuel Puig, El Beso de la Mujer Arana, published in Spain in 1976. The book was made into a film with the new title in 1978 and it starred William Hurt as Molina and Raul Julia playing the role of Valentin. Puig dramatized his novel for the stage in 1985 which debuted at London's Bush Theatre, and later a musical version was created with a score by John Kander and Fred Ebb. That version premiered in Toronto in 1992 and went to London where it won the London Evening Standard Drama Award for best musical. (Unfortunately Manuel Puig, who had helped collaborate with writer Terrence McNally in the workshop presentation, never saw the finish product since he suffered a fatal heart attack in 1990.) The Broadway premiere took place on May 3, 1993 at the Broadhurst Theatre with starring Brent Carver and Anthony Crivello, and the musical won seven Tony awards.
Manuel Puig's original drama, which was translated into English by Allan Baker, has been playing in various regional theatres in both this country and the U.K. for many years. The play is certainly apropos of the current condition of the world today.
Kiss of the Spider Woman is a sharply provocative tale of love, victimization and fantasy. The play opens in a prison cell somewhere in South America (although writer Puig said it was a prison in Argentina) where we see the two characters moving through their daily and nightly routines. There is storytelling, eating, and dreaming of the outside world. Molina (Javier Galitó-Cava), who is an effeminate homosexual window dresser incarcerated basically for being gay, shares a ceil with Valentin (Bradford Cooreman) a political prisoner who is a militant Marxist. At the start of the play, he is intolerant of Molina's way of life.
Molina loves movies, and his cinematic memories are reduced to one. To escape from the daily degradation of prison life he tells Valentin a serialized version of his favorite movie, Val Lawton's The Cat People. The retelling of the movie mesmerizes Valentin and the audience as well. The warden (heard but not seen) has coerced Molina into spying on Valentin in return for his freedom.
The two actors are especially fine-tuned at depicting the brotherhood of their relationship as each expresses a growing dependence on the other. Over the course of their confinement the two men fall in love and ultimately become lovers. Upon his release from prison, Molina agrees to help Valentin in his political cause by passing on important information to his fellow revolutionaries.
Javier Galitó-Cava, who has the showier role of Molina, does not overplay the flamboyance, making it seem to be a natural extension of his personality. He portrays the character quiet and unforced, imbued with maternal tenderness for his cellmate. It is a brilliant performance. As Valentin, Bradford Cooreman's gradual transition from bigotry to a reluctant inquisitiveness and finally to acceptance and even love for Molina is beautiful accomplished. The actor's physical appearance is strong and his up in arms political intelligence is completely believable.
Director Matthew Graham Smith allows the playwright's script to be the drama, and his blackout scenes are smooth. Lighting and sound by Ted Crimy are superb. The sound of the Prison Warden spoke by Christian Cagigal is very effective. Crimy gives the audience, seated only several feet away from the actors, the atmosphere of a prison. Bruce Walters has designed a realistic Latin American prison cell and Ambra Sultzbaugh's costumes add authentic style to the scenes.
Kiss of the Spider Woman runs through September 17 at the New Conservatory Theatre Center, 25 Van Ness, San Francisco. For tickets please call their box office at 415-861-8972 or visit www.nctcsf.org.


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Lenticchie e Lonza {Lentils and Bacon}
Beans and bacon. A perfect marriage right ; ) Although Lenticchie e Lonza sounds so much more fancy schmancy this is just a down home stick to your ribs warm up from head to toe big pot of comfort food.
Lentils are protein packed and low in fat. I for one should be eating a lot more of them. Lentils come in a variety of colors {they're truly beautiful little beans}. Some lentils require that you soak them overnight so be sure to check YOUR package to see if soaking is necessary! It's no big deal really, just chuck them into the stock pot before you head to bed and cover with water. Easy peasy ; )
If they don't require soaking, they will at least need to be rinsed before using, with cold water. Now for the hard part, deciding whether YOU prefer your lentils more stew like or soup like. To be honest, I like them both ways and it just depends on my mood when I'm cooking them. For soup like cook them less, for stew like more ; ) In the attached photos it's prepared stew like, because I was feeling stew-y that day! {I'm not complicated LOL}
And now the bacon, I used a smoked bacon and yes there is a pound in here. I never said is was going to be a low fat dish, just that lentils were low fat ; ) You could even substitute pancetta…swoon
Here are a few other LENTIL recipes from the web that caught my eye:
Lenticchie e Lonza {Lentils and Bacon}
What you'll need:
15.5 ounces Lentils
2 small onions {mince ONE}
2 whole cloves
1 garlic clove
1 bay leaf
2 tablespoons unsalted butter
1 pound bacon – cubed
1 large carrot – minced
1 stalk celery – minced
1 tablespoon all purpose flour
1 tablespoon red wine vinegar
What to do:
1. NOTE: Check your package to see if YOUR lentils require soaking. If they do NOT, skip this step! Into a large stock pot add the dried lentils. Cover with cold water {enough to fill pot about half way}. Cover pot with lid and allow to soak overnight.
2. Drain lentils and return to stock pot. Fill the pot with approximately 2 liters of cold water. Add garlic clove, bay leaf and 1 onion that you have studded with the cloves. Bring to a boil then lower heat, cover and cook for approximately 35 minutes.
3. WHILE the lentils are cooking, into a deep sided pan add butter and melt over medium high heat. Add bacon and cook until crispy.
4. Once bacon is crispy, add minced carrot, celery and onion to pan. Stir well to combine. Sprinkle with flour and stir again to combine. Add 1 ladle of the lentil cooking water to pan. Reduce heat to LOW. Cook for approximately 5 minutes.
5. Drain lentils. Discard the garlic, studded onion and bay leaf. Place lentils into the pan with the bacon and vegetable mixture. Add red wine vinegar. Season with salt and pepper. Continue cooking for approximately 10-15 minutes for stew like consistency. NOTE: If you prefer a more soup like consistency do not cook as long.
Buon Appetito!
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SOLD! this sounds like an amazing side dish…or main dish!
Thanks Heather! It's really versatile : )2
Making this!!! Looks amazing, Paula!
Gracias Diana! xoxo3
that's one giant spoon 🙂 Love lentils and bacon. Wish this would magically appear in front of me right now.
LOL It is isn't it! It's a wooden ladle and I love it : )4
Grazie cara! Baci e buon weekend!6
You had me at 'bacon'.
Yes, bacon does make everything better doesn't it ; )7
I'm loving that wooden ladel! I think I might need one. Once I satisfy that craving, then I'll see about making some lentils. 🙂
Thank you. I love the ladle, it's from Paula Deen's collection http://www.walmart.com/ip/Paula-Deen-Wood-Ladle/149650118
I love lentils!! My hubs will love the added bacon:)
Thanks Maria! I love the bacon too, it brings a nice smoky flavor to the lentils!9
Oh, this is what I am craving on a frigid day like today! Really like the cloves in the dish – that must really add a wonderful dimension to the flavor.
Thanks Liren! I could use another pot today too! The cloves do add a nice touch : )10
Sigh. As much as I would like to be all overemphatic and in love right now, I just can't. I don't like lentils. I think this is the first recipe you've posted that I haven't swooned over!
Still, looks good! 😉
Ah, that's okay, I still lurve ya ; )11
This looks awesome despite the bacon 😉 Thanks for the soup shout-out! xoxo


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But shale gas isn't without controversy. Gas is stimulated to flow from the low permeability shale rocks by injecting fluid consisting of water, sand and chemicals under high pressure into the shale reservoir to open up natural fractures and to create new ones through hydraulic fracturing, or "fracking".
State governments have developed or are developing regulatory codes that deal with the environmental issues associated with its extraction.
But environmental groups are wary of claims of a reduced environmental impact relative to coal seam gas (which occurs at much shallower depth close to surface aquifers and in areas used for farming).
Shale gas is an important resource that needs to be better understood in the Australian context.
We're unlikely, however, to see the shale gas revolution under way in the United States. The key ingredients of the US shale push are a huge domestic gas market and existing pipeline infrastructure.
The Gillard government's recent energy white paper notes that our prospective shale and "tight" gas resources (natural gas trapped in low permeability and low porosity reservoir sandstones and limestones), are likely to be lower in liquids than those in the US (due to differing geology). And with the exception of the Cooper Basin, "they will require costly new infrastructure to develop".
China has the world's largest undeveloped shale gas resources, although significant investment and infrastructure barriers must be resolved to realise their full potential. China recently announced that it will subsidise production of shale gas. This will provide more gas from a greater diversity of supply and may lead to lower gas prices.
Last year Geoscience Australia estimated that there may be 258,900 petajoules (PJ) of additional coal-seam gas, as well as 435,600 PJ of shale gas and 22,000 PJ of tight gas, although the extent to which those resources are economically recoverable is untested.
To put that into context, Australia's conventional gas resources total 184,000 PJ, which shows just how significant unconventional gas is for Australia if it can be technically and economically recovered.
Shale gas has extraordinary potential for Australia in terms of jobs and energy security. We should learn what we can from the US unconventional gas boom.
Some of that work is under way: the Australian Council of Learned Academies has an expert group examining unconventional gas, which has a shale gas focus. Its report will be presented next March to the Prime Minister's Science, Engineering and Innovation Council.
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Excerpted from "Odenton Town Center Master Plan – December 2009"
Each of the seven Sub-Areas of the Odenton Town Center has a specific character and purpose within the overall concept as defined below:
Core – This is the heart of the OTC. It will be the most intensely developed area with a diverse mix of retail, office, civic, and housing uses combined to create a vibrant live/work community. The Core will also serve as a regional destination for the surrounding community, meeting, shopping, business, service, entertainment, and transit needs. Development in this area will create a strong pedestrian environment and automobile traffic will be secondary to the needs of the pedestrian. Transit use from the neighboring MARC Station will be encouraged. Building designs will be created that relate directly to the pedestrian environment with interesting facades, attractive display windows, little or no setback, and easy frequent access points.
Village – The Village area of the OTC is the historic center of the community. The area includes a designated historic district, which includes several historic properties that set the framework for the general character and scale of the village. This traditional center of the community is envisioned as a place to live, work, and shop while maintaining the historic village character and residential feel. Design and historic preservation standards are provided to help ensure that new development will complement the traditional architecture, yards, and street character. The transit station will be a focal point of activity for the village with development of small specialty shops in the immediate area.
Transition – A mixture of moderate density office, housing and retail is envisioned in this area just north of the Core. This area contains several isolated development sites that are interspersed with large areas of preserved wooded wetlands. These larger development sites are envisioned as locations for larger, more auto-oriented businesses the will serve the greater Odenton area, as well as the highway travelers along Route 32. These businesses will serve different needs than the pedestrian-oriented businesses in the Core, and will serve to enhance, not compete with, the Core businesses.
Industrial – Large-scale industrial development has already set a pattern in the industrial area to the east of Telegraph Road. Large warehouse buildings sited to minimize visual impact on the surrounding area, wide roadways lined with trees, and natural wooded buffers are characteristic of the existing industrial development. Similar development character is envisioned as the industrial area expands across Telegraph Road. A few older buildings line Telegraph Road and are part of the historic character of community. Improved streetscape elements along this area will improve the visual character of these buildings, and pedestrian improvements will aid movement of pedestrians across Telegraph Road from the buildings to their associated parking areas.
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Germany should not have to bail out Europe
The EU has agreed to an immense 750billion Euro rescue package to prop up the Euro. Germany has as the EU's paymaster naturally been at the forefront of negotiations, but has been very reluctant to bail anyone out. The German public does not like the idea that they should have to bail out countries that have gotten themselves in to financial difficulties due to irresponsible fiscal policy. In Germany's regional elections over the weekend Merkel's party the CDU was down 10% on the previous elections, with the election in effect acting as a referendum on the bailout.
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Countries should not be responsible for other EU members
Whilst we have created the European Economic Community, no country is obliged to bail the others out. Each country should be responsible for its own domestic politics and its own domestic finances. With Greece facing so much trouble, it should not be Germany who help out. Greece should help them instead of dragging the rest of the European Community down with them. Countries need to learn how to help themselves and not become reliant on their status as a member state.
In reality, upon signing the Treaty of Lisbon, upon ratifying all previous treaties and entering into a single monetary union countries within that group do become increasingly responsible for each other. The European Union is becoming more and more like that of a single country. They are pressing more and more directives and regulations meaning that countries have to impose similar laws, they are admitting more and more countries into the single monetary policy for the Euro and they have introduced something called European Union citizenship to which everyone who has the nationality of a member state has the status of a European Union citizen. With these policies making the EU more like that of a single country is it any wonder that they are expecting more responsibility to be taken for other member states domestic affairs?
This is only temporary help
By providing this cash bailout Germany "have merely bought [the European Community] time, nothing more"[[Christoph Schmidt, head of economic research institute RWI]]. You should not provide a country with masses amounts of money to prop up the Euro without setting into place prevention measures to stop the crisis. Germany should not bail out a country that has not changed the way in which it manages finance. The old proverb still applies, give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime.
As eloquently pointed out by The Financial Times Deutschland, whilst the actions of Germany in bailing out the Euro will not alone save the Euro yet, it does set the preconditions upon which the Euro CAN BE SAVED. It sends a clear message to investors that the Euro is a currency that will not be left to sink. It is a currency with promise. In turn, this hope and faith will lead to investment into the euro-zone and this is what will save these countries. As with most financial matters, we should be looking at these short term consequences and their long term effects – not just the immediate public response.
the German people did not want to
The German people did not want to bail out Greece and consequently Europe. This can be seen by the recent bi-election results. Germany being ruled by a coalitions Government, saw that the bear majority party lost favour in these bi-elections. Commentators suggest that this is largely due to the German people's resilience to the bailout plan.
It is well known that what the people want is not always right and it regularly occurs that popular opinion is on the wrong side of what needs to be done.[[http://rothkopf.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2010/06/08/when_an_issue_separates_the_majority_from_the_truth]] as is the case this time. The German people only see the potential losses and the cost to them rather than the benefits to them that they would be bringing because these would be long term and the pain short term.
Once again the creditors are off the hook.
Like with the bail out of banks. Who is essentially paying this bail out? The tax payer. Like with the bail out of the banks, who caused the need for the bailout? Bad management by creditors; these creditors have once again been irresponsible to the detriment of an institution. Not only now to banks, but also to whole countries and as a result the value of the euro has decreased. Most of the European nations are now suffering as a result. What have we taught these creditors in doing all this bailing out and suffering on their behalf? We have reinforced in them the idea that irresponsible money lending is acceptable as if it all goes wrong, the tax payer will pay the bill.
We have no alternative in these situations than to bail out the creditors! To fail to do so would only lead to an even worse outcome of financial uncertainty and destruction. We have to bail out the creditors and after the fire has been quelled, then we can start looking at action to take upon those creditors. We can see this with Britain and the banks. Bankers got their punishment once the dust had settled. The same will undoubtedly happen here, all we need is calm and patience.
It is a consequence of being part of the Euro
Being part of the Euro means that your countries currency is determined not only by your countries domestic economic politics, but also on that of other countries. Should other countries, like Greece, prove less efficient, less stable; the more responsible countries will suffer from the loss in worth of the currency. Germany is helping itself by helping ou5 the Euro as this is now their national currency. Upon signing into the monetary fiscal policy of Europe this is what Germany signed up to. They cannot now complain.
It should not have been a consequence of joining the Euro. Certainly the German people did not bail outs for the rest of Europe as being part of joining the Euro. The Growth and Stability pact should have prevented anything like this from happening by having all the countries agree to limit their budget deficits to no more than 3% of their total economy.[[Q&A: What is the European stability pact?, BBC News, 25/9/03, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3139460.stm%5D%5D Hence it was because Greece and other countries ignored this that they are now having problems and Germany has to consider bailing them out.
Germany is at the heart of the problem
The Greeks and the other 'PIIGS' have generally had to shoulder all of the blame for their problems however this is ignoring one of the central issues that caused the problem in the first place: German. The European Union is a microcosm of the world as a whole. Over the whole world a big part of the problem is rebalancing between those nations that have been driving the economy by consuming based on debt - Britain, USA etc and those such as China who have been running up large surpluses and not buying enough. In the European Union the PIIGS have been taking the role of the debtor and Germany has been the one running up the surpluses.
The problem is explained well by Doug Saunders in the Globe and Mail
[[Doug Saunders, Life in the German Empire, The Globe and Mail, 30/4/10, http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/life-in-the-german-empire/article1553140/%5D%5D
This would normally be solved by the Greeks devaluating the currency to regain competitiveness but within the Euro this cannot happen so Germany and German banks lend more and more to southern Europe so that they can pay for German goods. It is therefore not just Southern Europe that needs to restructure but Germany too. The Greeks need to be more competitive but German consumers need to buy more as well.
Needs to be greater fiscal union.
A big part of the problem is that at the moment Germany does not give enough. Or rather the rich areas do not give enough to the poor areas so that unlike in the USA the problems between states do not get ironed out through spending.
so essentially the problem comes down to not being able have a strong, durable monetary union, like the Euro, without a fiscal union. This fiscal union needs to be along side to allow for effective fiscal discipline and compensatory budget transfers across the whole currency area.[[Timothy Garton Ash, Britain and Europe are living separate crises. Underneath, it's the same one, The Guardian, 12/5/10, http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/may/12/britain-europe-separate-and-same-crises%5D%5D
Germany has not done its part in stimulating the world economy
Germany despite being the world's 4th largest economy has not done much to stimulate the world economy during the recession. While Britain, China and the US pumped trillions in to the global economy Germany preferred simply to free-ride and not increase its own expenditure.[[Germany vs. Europe, New York Times, 27/5/10, http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/27/opinion/27thu1.html%5D%5D It is only right that it should have to do so now when its own back yard is in difficulty. Indeed as an example that helps show that Germany is not doing enough to help the global economy Paul Krugman has now expanded his arguments for telling off/putting tariffs on China to Germany's austerity.
[[Paul Krugman, Dealing With Chermany, New York Times, 11/6/10, http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/11/dealing-with-chermany/%5D%5D
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Well, let's decide now where we want Rhodes playing. FS or SS?
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SS for me. This allows him to do the things that made him shine in 07 and 06 while moving Lowery to FS (<-- Yes that's a suggestion )
Don't get me wrong, Kerry does a great job in CF but his strengths are better utilized playing SS.
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I agree with keeping Rhodes as SS primarily and having him watching the deep play sometimes, or having him play there most of the time when we face explosive offenses that have WRs with deep threat abilities. But we do need to address that position whether it be through draft or free agency or even a trade.
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My two cents, wait to see how Free Agency and the draft goes. You shouldn't limit your pick of a Safety to fit a certain position.
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SS for me. This allows him to do the things that made him shine in 07 and 06 while moving Lowery to FS (<-- Yes that's a suggestion )
Don't get me wrong, Kerry does a great job in CF but his strengths are better utilized playing SS.
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I don't think we have to decide on Rhodes just yet. Might as well test the free agent market and draft and see what happens. Remember, in Ryan's scheme that preaches flexibility he doesn't need a true position. Either way he'll be in the box, blitzing, and playing center field at times.
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Something I've been looking for clarification on. Do the Saints get our 4th rounder or not? Walter Football says we still have it, even if we get a third.
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Rhodes is build specimen wise as a SS with that size, but like JATW says it doesn't matter, if there is something available in the market at either position it shouldn't us back as Rhodes versatility is a good thing.
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I'm assuming most of us want Favre cut, correct? He'll save us 13,000,000 in cap room.
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Yeah. But the issue is, what if one of the NFC North teams pick him up, do we have to give up our first round pick?
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Yeah. But the issue is, what if one of the NFC North teams pick him up, do we have to give up our first round pick?
No, I believe that's only through trade.
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Yeah. But the issue is, what if one of the NFC North teams pick him up, do we have to give up our first round pick?
i'm pretty sure that the deal was if we traded him, we'd owe them 3 firsts.
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Duck Breast with Fresh Cherry Sauce and Grilled Apricots
Most chefs tend to put duck on their menus in fall or winter, but Seth Bixby Daugherty also cooks duck in summer, when he can pair the meat with ripe apricots, peaches or cherries. Here he marinates apricots in garlic and thyme, then serves them alongside slices of golden, crispy-skinned duck and a bright cherry sauce.
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- Servings: 4
- 3 1/2 tablespoons extra-virgin olive oil
- 1 tablespoon plus 1 teaspoon chopped thyme
- 1 tablespoon minced garlic
- Salt and freshly ground pepper
- 4 apricots, halved and pitted
- 1 cup apple juice or cider
- 1/2 cup red wine vinegar
- Pinch of sugar
- 1/2 pound sweet cherries, pitted (2 cups)
- 1 tablespoon minced shallots
- 1 tablespoon fresh lime juice
- 1 large fennel bulb, cored and very thinly sliced
- 4 boneless Pekin duck breasts (6 ounces each), skin scored in a crosshatch pattern
- 1/2 cup small arugula leaves
- 2 tablespoons minced chives
How to make this recipe
In a shallow dish, combine 2 tablespoons of the olive oil with 1 tablespoon of the thyme and the garlic and season with salt and pepper. Add the apricot halves and toss to coat. Let stand for 1 hour.
Meanwhile, preheat the oven to 400°. In a medium saucepan, combine the apple juice, vinegar and sugar and boil over moderately high heat until slightly thickened, about 15 minutes. Add the cherries and boil until tender, about 3 minutes. With a slotted spoon, transfer the cherries to a bowl. Add the shallots to the saucepan and boil over high heat until the liquid has reduced to 1/2 cup, about 4 minutes. Return the cherries to the saucepan. Stir in the remaining 1 teaspoon of thyme and season with salt and pepper. Keep the cherry sauce warm.
Light a grill. In a medium bowl, mix the remaining 1 1/2 tablespoons of olive oil with the lime juice and season with salt and pepper. Add the fennel and toss well.
Grill the apricots over a medium-hot fire until lightly charred and tender, about 3 minutes per side. Transfer to a plate and keep warm.
Heat a large ovenproof skillet. Season the duck breasts generously with salt and pepper. Add to the skillet, skin side down, and cook over moderately high heat until some of the fat has been rendered, about 3 minutes. Transfer the skillet to the oven and roast the duck breasts for 3 minutes. Turn the breasts and roast for about 3 minutes longer, until medium-rare. Transfer the breasts to a carving board to rest for 5 minutes.
Toss the arugula and chives with the fennel salad and arrange on 4 plates. Slice the duck breasts crosswise 1/4 inch thick; arrange the slices on the plates and top with the cherry sauce. Garnish with the grilled apricots and serve.
Make Ahead
The cherry sauce can be refrigerated overnight. Reheat gently before serving.
Suggested Pairing
Portugal's red table wines have only recently been getting the praise they deserve here in the U.S., and the top attention-getters come from the Douro valley, which have the backbone to stand up to this decadent duck.