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Designing a car is no easy business. It's a process that takes years and is often split between studios located across the globe — conceptualizing, modeling, wind-tunneling, focus-grouping. When the final product arrives at your local auto mall, it's been vetted more times than a presidential candidate.
Here, Cars.com offers its picks for the top 10 ugly cars (and has photos of each) from the U.S. market over the past 30 years. Yes, there's a Ford Mustang included on the list, which may cause a stir. The list retires the Pontiac Aztek, an SUV even onetime GM product chief Bob Lutz admitted had an "unbridled homeliness." Don't think Cars.com's reviewers have gone soft: They say they consider the Aztek to be ghastly. But it always makes these lists, and they wanted to give others a chance to, um, shine. The list:
Toyota Tercel wagon, 1983-87. Boxy hatchbacks aren't inherently ugly, but when you add in odd angles and a rearmost window that looks like it dropped out of a Lego kit, things start to go wrong. It goes completely wrong when you circle around back and realize some joker has slapped an ATM on the back of your car.
Ford Mustang SVO, 1984-86. How do you take an automotive icon and make it ugly? Hire a designer from Ford, circa 1984. That's when the automaker issued a performance variant of the Mustang called SVO. Already burdened with the econo-hatchback design of other Mustangs, it added a two-tiered spoiler and uniquely awful grille. The hood scoop looked like an aftermarket add-on.
Ford Probe, 1989-92. This may be the only car on the list owned by a Cars.com staffer. "My '89 Probe was a pale brown called Mocha, so that alone could have influenced it falling on an ugly list," says Managing Editor David Thomas. Latte hue or no, the Probe's angular design and beefy proportions were not a good combination.
Chevrolet Lumina APV, 1990-93. Perhaps Chevrolet thought it was grabbing the future with its wedge-shaped Lumina APV, but all it proved was it could make a minivan look like a giant DustBuster. When we reflect on this injustice against families, we're not saddened that GM is out of the minivan biz.
Ford Taurus, 1996-99. Rounded corners came into vogue in 1990s automotive design, but Ford went too far. Replacing the sensible '95 Taurus with oval madness left all the aesthetics of a bean-bag chair. One reviewer found more than six dozen elliptical shapes, from headlights to the amoeba-shaped dash insert for the stereo and climate controls.
Subaru B9 Tribeca, 2006-07. Subaru gutted it out for two model years before succumbing to its senses and overhauling the B9 Tribeca's front, but two years of that appalling grille were two too many. We wish we could go back to a time when we hadn't seen the B9 Tribeca.
And BMW and others?
BMW 5 Series GT, 2010-present. The 5 Series GT makes us long for the days when BMW had a proper midsize wagon in its lineup for folks who wanted a little more utility. You might think the sacrifices the GT makes in cargo versatility would lead to better looks, but the opposite is true. Why, BMW? Why?
Honda Accord Crosstour, 2010-present. Honda had to quell an Internet backlash when the Crosstour made its debut on Facebook. With its oversized grille and robotic headlights, the wagon suggests an automotive equivalent to the "before" photo in a rhinoplasty ad. Worst of all? You'd think the bean-shaped proportions would yield good utility, but the Crosstour has less room than most rivals.
Lincoln MKT, 2010-present. Is it a whale? Is it a piano? We prefer to think of it as what happens when a bunch of designers play a game of, "No, I can draw an uglier line than you." Not to mention that it looks like their paper became folded, resulting in that god-awful rear-window line.
Nissan Murano CrossCabriolet, 2011-present. An all-wheel-drive convertible with reasonable ground clearance is good in theory. But the CrossCabriolet adapts the concept to the Murano SUV's cluttered face, lops off two doors and squeezes the rest from a piece of Silly Putty. Leave the top up and the bloated tail joins two rear windows, neither of which offers much driving visibility.
--Jennifer Geiger/ Cars.com's Kicking Tires
Chris Woodyard is an auto writer for USA TODAY who covers all aspects of motoring. He revels in the exhaust note of a Maserati and the sharp creases of a Cadillac CTS. Chris strives to live a Porsche life on a Scion budget. More about Chris


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Writing As A Process
On the dangers of revision
Revision appears to be the in word about improving writing. Like all good things, though, it must be done in moderation. One also has to recognize when something is good enough, so that to revise again is to invite disaster. What if Keats had revised Ozymandias one more time, so that it read
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings! Look on my works ye mighty, and be inspired."
Now right here the whole point is gone. Instead of being a poem about the futility of wealth, power, and fame, it becomes an advertisement for the Republican Party.
Or how about
A rose is a rose is a gift? or
A rose is a gift is a rose? or
A rose is a gift is a gift?
There are seven permutations of gift and rose here, and each one pales in comparison to the original version. Yet I'm sure we all can see how close Gertrude Stein could have come to any one of them. Each has its own subtle appeal, but finally the original is surely best.
Can you imagine?
"Shout if you must this old gray head,
But be obedient to your country's flag she said"?
Obedience to a cause can be very important, especially if it's your own revolution. The temptation to use obedient must been nearly overwhelming, yet Longfellow resisted this one last revision.
"I think that I shall never see a picture of a felicitous tree."
This is just silly. Kilmer would have been laughed out of the poet's society for this one, and for good reason. Yet it is very likely he never saw either a felicitous tree or a picture of one.
Other examples must surely abound, but I think it is clear from these that revision is a tricky business that should be left only to the amateurs.
on the dangers of revision
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Seeking Forgiveness
In the spring of 1969, three months before I left graduate school to enter the U.S. Army, I submitted a 20-page paper as my final project for a seminar in literary theory. My subject was on the nature of time in literary works, trying to discuss how time is experienced as we read a literary text. It was not a subject I was remotely prepared to discuss in any insightful manner, and the paper was little more than a string of ill-conceived, ill-understood observations based on a haphazard series of readings.
A week after the end of the term, I went by Dr. Towne's office to pick up my paper and learn my grade for the course. The paper received a B+, which meant that I would receive a B+ for a course grade. When I opened the paper, I discovered that Dr. Towne had gone through my manuscript and meticulously corrected my infelicities in usage and awkward sentence constructions. On each page were dozens of insertions, deletions, and suggestions for improving the flow and precision of my language. It was apparent that all these corrections, carefully written in black ink, would have taken an hour or longer. My response was to glance at 2 or 3 pages, and then I put the manuscript in my book bag. Eventually the paper was transferred to a box of papers in my apartment. Shortly before my departure for Fort Lewis, the box was thrown away.
When I retrieved my paper from Dr. Towne's office, the grade was all that concerned me. The paper was done. The professor's efforts to improve my language skills meant nothing to me. There was so much I could have learned from his comments, but I was blind to the value of his gift. Thinking back on this experience, I am struck by the dedication of Dr. Towne to his students. Perhaps he was naive, but I remain impressed by the example of this professor, nearing the end of a long teaching career, carefully attending to the minutest details in each student's paper. How is it possible that after years of reading so many poorly written compositions, he could still believe that studentseven graduate studentscould care about their writing, could imagine they really wanted to improve? How often was he ever thanked for his efforts? How many students appreciated this wonderful favor he was granting them?
Over thirty years later, I still feel guilty for my failure to learn from him--and to thank him. How I wish I could go back in time and rescue that paper from its oblivion. Unfortunately, at that moment in my life, I was unprepared for appreciating his concern that I become a better writer, a better thinker. Now, ironically, I find myself in a situation not unlike Dr. Towne's: reading student papers and wondering who would care what I might write on their papers. Lacking Dr. Towne's erudition and skill as an editor, what can I offer students that they might find beneficial?
Pleased to rediscover the following quote from Nancy Sommer's article "Revision Strategies of Student Writers and Experienced Adult Writers."
"Student writers constantly struggle to bring their essays into congruence with a predefined meaning. The experienced writers do the opposite: they seek to discover (to create) meaning in the engagement with their writing, in revision."
Sommer's description of the maturation of the writing process fits with the writing and revision techniques with which I have felt most successful and productive. Interestingly enough, the meaning discovered in the revision is analogous to the gradual sculpting process I described in an earlier essay. The discovery process also requires that something be written down, in order that it might be revised, another topic from an earlier essay.
Perhaps the best reason for selecting this quote to respond to is the fact that this delineation between student writing and mature writing describes the change that took place in my writing during the Berryman paper discussed in an earlier essay. I have always felt that there was something special about that paper, but never really understood what I learned from writing it. Through this series of essays, my perspective on the process of writing has continued to develop, so that now, when coming back to Sommers' quote, I see it in a different light, and, through it, see the Berryman paper in a different light. That is what happens, though, when the same topic is revisited multiple times.
I propose the addition of one more distinction between student revision and the revision of experienced writers (and this is just a different way of saying something that Sommers does discuss in her article):
Student writers revise for the sake of the reader--to make things clear. Experienced writers revise for the sake of the material, to discover its inner meaning.
Long live revision!
A Vivid Memory, A College Paper Forgotten
The only memory I have of any college paper is really a memory of the revision process, not the paper at all. This may be because the professor, who worked so diligently and patiently with me to revise my senior Art History Thesis, was one of the most intimidating professors at the college. And yet, he was the only one who ever took time with me to sit down and comb through that writing, sentence-by-sentence, word-by-word, asking me to explain my choices and rethink my wording. We met in his office for an hour at a time each week for several weeks. It was frightening, intimidating, and painful but at the same time it was what I needed and craved--someone to take the time and care enough to address my writing weaknesses directly. When the process was over I thanked him for his time and attention and explained that I wished I had has his kind of help in my first semester, instead of my last. I had discovered that behind his gruff facade was a teddy bear of a man who was devoted to every student. It is the revision process that did me the most good--the paper is only a vague recollection. My memory of Prof. Soth's dedication to helping me become a stronger writer inspires me to use the same approach with my students.
A Letter to the Wichita Beacon
My father did not do much writing in the last 45 years of his life. Perhaps he would send me 2-3 letters per year after I left home, usually letters of one paragraph: a sentence on the weather, a sentence on Kansas State football or basketball, a sentence saying there wasn't much hometown news, and a sentence hoping we were doing well. Despite his lack of interest in personal correspondence, I know that in the 1930s, while living with his mother on the farm, he wrote a novel that he later burned. And once a year, when the pastor of our church was on vacation, my father would deliver a Sunday sermon to a congregation earnestly fighting the August heat with their hand-held fans from Moon's Funeral Home. Although my father delivered these sermons without notes, I knew long passages were written out in careful detail, always based on my father's unique exegesis of some obscure passage in the Old Testament, a passage never previously noticed by other members of this small Methodist church in Kansas. I never talked with my father about these sermons, but I knew he would spend months thinking about the text for these annual August sermons, intent on tackling some profound spiritual problem.
The only time I talked with my father about his writing came fairly late in his life when I saw a handwritten "draft" of a letter he intended to send to the Beacon, a daily newspaper published in Wichita. The letter was a defense of Richard Nixon, written some years after the President had been driven from office. As I was reading this letter left unguarded in our living room, I encountered a sentence that I did not think was easily interpreted. Anxious to save my father from any public embarrassment, I questioned him about the sentence, suggesting that he might consider an alternate wording. Dad informed me that he was quite satisfied with the sentence: "I have no plans to do any more revising. The letter's done and ready to mail." He then volunteered the information that he did all his revising in his head prior to writing his first and final draft. Before setting anything down on paper, he memorized the complete text, word for word. Once it was written, it was as good as printed, which indeed was the case when the Beacon printed my dad's letter with the sentence I had found prime for revision.
My dad was no more likely to revise that sentence than he was to reconsider his evaluation of Richard Nixon. Although my dad was not always an easy man to deal with, I have always admired his independence and insistence on seeing things his own way. Once he made a commitment, there were no compromises. And probably he was right about the sentence--I disliked the wording because I found it hard to appreciate his defense of Nixon. I was not the best person to be telling my father how to amend either his politics or his prose.
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From: "Douglas Richardson " <>
Subject: Re: King's Kinsfolk: Richard II's kinsman, Edmund Staffiord
Date: 30 Aug 2005 22:09:07 -0700
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> And here the argument becomes circular. The Edmund Stafford was related
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We can be reasonably sure that Bishop Edmund Stafford was related to
King Richard II of England through one of only three families: Wake,
Quincy, and Fiennes. When looking for possible routes of kinship, I
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Richard de Vernon, was married to a member of the Fiennes family. This
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The Rangers used three innings to do all their scoring in the opener. Northwestern had five runs on five hits in the first inning and added to that with two runs in the second inning and eight more in the third inning. St. Gregory's scored a pair of late runs in the top of the fifth inning before the five-inning run-rule was enforced.
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Here's a little more on the Paul trade:
After the trade, they'd be left with $58M on the books for next year, $52M if they buy Odom out, they'd have their pick, which would probably be somewhere in the late lottery, and the Knicks pick, which would be in the late teens, most likely.
If the trade goes away, CP3 stays in NOH and walks for nothing at the end of the season, next year the Hornets have $28M on the books and a pick probably somewhere around the pick they'd be getting from Houston in the trade.
So the trade off here is probably about $25M against the cap next season vs. maybe like the #12 pick in the draft next year. Are there a lot of owners who would allow their GM to make that trade? You've also got Scola signed for another two years after next season. Is paying Luis Scola $11M+ when he's 35 a smart move for a rebuilding team to make?
Take the NBA out of the equation, only a brain dead owner would allow this deal to go down.
The NBA sets a terrible precedent, and you have no idea what New Orlenas might have been done next
A league owning a team is a bad idea, and this just proves it. The pau gasol trade was a bad crappy ass trade, but the league didn't own the grizzlies.
Bad deals happen in every league all the time because people who made billions in other areas think they know something they really don't (yeah you jerry jones)...the league vetoing this deal no matter how bad it was on 'basketball terms' when tons of other crappy trades have been approved in the past is hypocrisy.
Being on the side of dan gilbert isn't good in my mind
Yeah, amnesty Brand and you have close to 20-30M in cap space to add Howard and the FA's of his choice.
I'm not sure they make the Finals, but they sure would be good:
Howard would score a a ton of easy baskets off of J/T/I, and Thad would run wild. Heck, maybe Lou would even learn to pass off of his drives... well maybe not.
And here's Broussard playing party pooper on twitter:
Nets have emerged as No. 1 choice for Dwight Howard, multiple sources say. D12 is expected to ask Magic to trade him to NJ.
For a second imagine the Paul trade happened and Dwight/Deron are in Brooklyn.
That means just about every marque star outside of OKC is in a major media market... and somehow Philly and SF get none (Sorry Monta.)
10 Largest Media Markets:
NY: Melo, Amare, Deron, Dwight
LA: Kobe, CP3, Griffin
Chicago: Rose
Philly: NONE
Boston: KG/PP/Allen
Dallas: Dirk
Miami is 17th...
A lot of this has to do with Kevin McHale, Otis Smith, Danny Ferry, and Dell Demps not being very bright GMs.
Can't imagine the Nets being top contenders with Deron, Howard, and a bunch of sub-par players, including their non-rebounding back-up center.
Howard with a great point guard is in an instant contender with 10 minimum contracts, imo.
A problem with the heat last year was their lack of depth. Piss poor bench couldn't stop the bleeding when their starters had to rest. Fatigue finally caught up. Not a simnilar situation if Howard went to the Nets? The owner could fill in at power forward I guess.
I can't imagine NJ taking Brook Lopez over Bynum or a combination of Deng and Noah.
"I'm not saying players don't have the right to choose where they play, but I am saying that players don't have to right to choose where they play and enjoy the benefits reserved for teams to retain their talent."
That's a nice idea, perhaps, except the CBA doesn't say that and we might still be in a lockout today if the owners had tried to get that in the deal. So you're saying that even though the league couldn't get that in the deal and signed a contract with the players where this sort of thing is allowed, Stern ought to go around vetoing these kinds of trades and effectively impose your rule unilaterally. So when Orlando strikes a deal with the Lakers, you want a veto so that Orlando can reap the full benefits of its Bird rights and put Howard to the choice of sacrificing money to play on a team that might win, ever. Or would you be okay with this kind of deal so long as the players take the financial hit? Since, according to you, it's taking that hit, not players choosing to go to big market franchises, that you're concerned about.
And with that all said, I don't quite know what you're talking about, because it's my understanding that under this new CBA you don't get to enjoy "the benefits reserved for teams to maintain their talents." Extend and trades, I thought, got dramatically curtailed, the team that you're traded to doesn't have Bird Rights, there's no way that you're making the same amount of money as you would if you stayed put.
I believe the removal of extend and trades doesn't take effect until year three. But this wouldn't be an extend and trade. Paul wants to get to the lakers now so he can re-sign w/ them using his bird rights and get the 5-year, hometown max. Which he can get under the CBA. I believe that changes after two years as well.
And if Orlando takes pennies on the dollar to send Howard to the team of his choice, I'd love it if Stern vetoed it, but I don't think he would. The league doesn't own the magic.
So basically even though they bargained to retain this kind of trade for the next two years - this, in fact, was one of the sticking points in the negotiations - you'd like Stern to abrogate that where possible. Leaving the Hornets, who Stern's supposed to be looking out for, high and dry when Paul leaves in order to, in the single instance where Stern has the power to do it, enforce a rule that's... the opposite of what the rule actually is, at the moment. Who's being helped here? There's no way in the world that Paul's going to take the extra money to play for a David Stern-owned franchise.
Actually, I think the Hornets are being helped. They'd be better off from a rebuilding standpoint if they just let CP3 walk than if they made this trade. See my comment above.
And I don't think there's any way Paul will re-sign in NOH, let him walk as a free agent, that's his right. And he's got to give up $40M to do it, that's the cost.
Here's the deal. Amnesty Brand, withdraw QO from Hawes and rescind bird rights then:
Send Nocioni (expiring), Lou Williams (kind of expiring), Evan Turner, Marreese Speights (expiring) and 2 first round picks to Orlando.
Receive Dwight Howard and Gilbert Arenas from Orlando.
This move saves Orlando $49M over the next 3 seasons, gives them one young star and two first-round picks and leaves the Sixers with the following roster (assuming they re-sign Thad for a number at or below his $8.7M cap hold).
This move would actually allow the Sixers to add mle players w/out hitting the tax until Gilbert is off the books, then they could add a decent salary and extend Jrue in his RFA year.
Turner's a "young star" now?!
And it solves the mascot problem... The Hibachi.
It would be great if at trade like this were to go down but unfortunately the new ownership appears, at the moment, to be as "nut less" as the last! I hope I'm wrong & that they surprise us all especially given our years of in-action & the vows/promises they made when they bought the team.
yea but when I make these ridiculous trade proposals everyone bashes me for it
In Brians defense, he's in charge here :)
Dan Gilbert's plea to Stern against the possible Chris Paul trade:
It would be a travesty to allow the Lakers to acquire Chris Paul in the apparent trade being discussed.
This trade should go to a vote of the 29 owners of the Hornets.
Over the next three seasons this deal would save the Lakers approximately $20 million in salaries and approximately $21 million in luxury taxes. That $21 million goes to non-taxpaying teams and to fund revenue sharing.
I cannot remember ever seeing a trade where a team got by far the best player in the trade and saved over $40 million in the process. And it doesn't appear that they would give up any draft picks, which might allow to later make a trade for Dwight Howard. (They would also get a large trade exception that would help them improve their team and/or eventually trade for Howard.) When the Lakers got Pau Gasol (at the time considered an extremely lopsided trade) they took on tens of millions in additional salary and luxury tax and they gave up a number of prospects (one in Marc Gasol who may become a max-salary player).
I just don't see how we can allow this trade to happen.
I know the vast majority of owners feel the same way that I do.
When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?
Please advise….
Dan G."
I wonder what font he used.
Calibri, unfortunately :)
He really is a caricature of himself.
The team that I think is really being helped here is the Lakers unfortunately, unless their thinking was "Sign Paul, then Dwight will come to us next year" even though that's a ton of money in three guys, especially because Kobe makes soooo freakin much. Now the Lakers can rededicate their efforts to getting Howard. If you are only getting one of the two, Howard is the guy you want with that team, Bynum be damned.
Heh, i woke up and what do i see. The owners told the Lakers, you didn't want to share the revenue from that TV deal, no CP3 for you.
I have no objection over this, the have the right to veto the deal and they did it. As i understand it they can veto a trade anyway, they don't need to own the Hornets to do that.
Personally i didn't understand it from the Hornets perspective, but i was completely shocked from the Houston perspective.
I also fully agree with Brian. You shouldn't force a player to play somewhere, but that player can't hold his team hostage an dictate where he gets traded.
The league just stopped another guaranteed Lakers domination for the next decade (Howard for Bynum was a guarantee after that). I'm in for that :)
Oh and btw with everybody saying this is collusion. Isn't making that trade classified as collusion in the first place considering there is player forcing his team to sell him to a particular team no matter what they can bring back?
At this point my money is on the deal still going through, possibly slightly different.
Also the trade doesn't work financially as reported. The Hornets have to find a way to shed another big contract to make it happen. Maybe the deal included a sing and trade for West to the Lakers?? Or Okafor?? That would make the trade even worse...
Most people assumed Okafor was going to the lakers (which gives them minimal fonrt court depth they lost) in the LA area to make it work
Brian, I read the hoopsworld comment about Iggy and tried to come up with a deal that works. This is the best I could come up with using names that have been mentioned in trade rumors.
Three team deal with the sixers trading Iggy to Orlando and recieving Redick and Milsap, Utah trading Milsap and R.Bell [to Orlando] and Orlando trading Redick and J.Nelson [to Utah. It works moneywise and gets Utah a p.g. and 6 million in caproom.
Is this fair value for Iggy?
Millsap is a poor mans Brand essentially and Reddick is very similar to Meeks. I don't see how this trade helps the Sixers.
I tried the same by the way but it's really hard to trade with Orlando because they really have no assets. The only quality asset they had (Gortat) they gave away last year. Anyway any trade scenario has to start with Ryan Anderson. He is young, and a very interesting player that can definitely have a role on a good team. Possibly even a starter.
I'm not sure how that helps the Sixers . Do you really think a Milsap/Voose frontcourt would stop anyone. And Reddick is best served as a bench player.
Milsap (or Brand)
Voose (or Kwame/Hawes)
IMO that team stinks- especially defensively.
Oh that team stinks on many levels
IMO, for the Sixers to be "relevant" they need to be among the top 4 teams in their conference. If you get Dwight/Deron in Brooklyn, do the Sixers have a shot a "relevance" in the next 4 years?
Miami, Chicago, NJ and NY should all be better than the Sixers for the next 4 years based on the stars in their prime on there roster. And that is not even looking at the other 10 teams that they would be be competing with in the conference.
It's amazing that this team can be already burred through 2016- especially given its been 9 seasons since they have finished top 4 in the East.
I guess that is the way of things in the NBA. No stars and poor management/ownership means no hope.
I agree with classifying relevance as a top 4 team in your conference. I disagree though that Miami, NY, Chicago and NJ (with Howard) are penciled in to be better than the Sixers for a number of reasons:
- It takes a team to win, not a collection of stars (i know many of you disagree with this)
- Things happen fast in the NBA. Injuries, age, new stars change the dynamics of the league constantly. Just ask the Blazers who were the hottest team in the NBA just 3 seasons ago with and up and coming superstar in Roy, a potential HoF center in Oden and a great 2-3 option in Aldridge. Not to mention the ton of draft picks, young players with potential etc.
- The CBA becomes much harsher in 2013 on teams with high payrolls. Can that quartet of teams keep those guys long term?
- Do you really think the Knicks core of Anthony/Stoudemire/Chandler can contend? I don't.
Can the knicks as constructed win one round in the playoffs. Sure they can - win a round you're in the top 4. New York might not be top four
but the heat bulls and nets if they get dwight and attract a mediocre free agent are as well.
Can the sixers be top 4 sometime soon, maybe. Do they have anyone on the roster who is going to be an NBA super star? Probably not.
How many top 4 teams in the league have zero superstars? I would give you Memphis, but we'll have to see how they do this season and what goes on with marc gasol
Knicks are questionable. But if Tyson Chandler is healthy they have the defense to balance out their offense. I don't see them as a great team, but definitely a tough team to play.
I hope that the NBA vetoing this trade leads to Dwight Howard ending up with the lakers (no matter what broussard reports)...let's see them veto that trade for 'basketball reasons'...
It appears as though Dwight never had much thoughts about going to LA anyway. I feel like that CP3 trade MUST go through or the league is in some big time trouble (possibly legal trouble). Howard could wait a couple days to see how it unfolds. Instead, he is is already set to head up to Jersey. Hello, 4th place (in the Atlantic) Sixers.
Why is the league in trouble again? The league survived through a gambling fiasco and it can't survive a simple banned trade? And the legal ramifications are way overblown, the league has every right to stop any trade from happening. It's written in the rules of how the league operates.. Honestly, i have no idea why they haven't done it before... That's what created the problem.
So, was I was driving in (early as usual) to work this morning my thoughts wandered to what's going on in the NBA with players only willing to play in certain places, or for certain teams, and forcing their way out more often than not, and then I started thinking about the NFL, where Aaron Rodgers seems happy to play in the hinterlands of Green Bay, Ben Roethlisberger enjoys playing in PITtsburgh (that's all on purpose) and free agent stars happily go to places like New Orleans, Baltimore, sometimes even Buffalo.
And for some reason the whole 'no fun league' criticism came to mind and I started thinking about it. The NFL doesn't want their popularity to be about players, to be about individuals, to be about ego. The NFL wants popularity to be about team, performance as a team, to be about the group. Sure, there are stars in the NFL, and I'm sure many of them were pampered in college, possibly even before hand, and yet the league doesn't have the same issues with players and movement (as much) as the NBA has.
Then you think about the NBA, whose identity is built not by team, but by player, the name on the back of the jersey matters more (how many 'fans' of the sixers were purely just Iverson fans and then left when Iverson left). The NBA markets itself, not as team, but as ego, it's not about what teams are in the national games, but what players.
Now I haven't fully fleshed this out but I think the reason the NBA finds itself in this position is partly of their own doing, not because of the new CBA but because they have decided the best way to sell their product is the individual, and not the team, and thus they give the power to the individuals, the individuals ARE bigger than the team, some bigger than the game.
The Detroit Lions play a football game EVERY thanksgiving, even they were horrible they played a game every thanksgiving. Would the NBA continue to put the thunder on Christmas day if they ddin't have Kevin Durant? Were the bulls playing christmas day every year after jordan but before derrick rose?
I probably shouldn't be posting this yet because I haven't fully fleshed it out, but while I think part of this Chris Paul debacle is the new CBA, the league improperly maintaining ownership of the Hornets WAY too long, and David Sterns own inevitable death march beginning, I don't think the CBA has eliminated one of the primary issues that drives the NBA that isn't as apparent or influential in the NFL and that's the individual ego of the player.
Maybe this occurred to other people before, but it never occurred to me before today, and maybe that is why the NFL consciously made efforts to remove the 'ego' from the game as much as possible, so that, the league could survive and not be as bullied by individual players as they are now
(Sure sure, non guaranteed contracts help, but when a guy hits free agnecy in the NFL a lot more teams in a lot more 'not fun' parts of the country seem to have a chance at him)
Feel free to laugh comment or bash, but it's just a thought I had
I don't follow the NFL (or MLB, NHL or anything else for that matter) at all. I know very few of the players and have no idea who is better (the best). Hell i don't even know the rules of the sports (especially baseball). Yet i know about the Green Bay Packers and the New England Patriots even though i don't even know where exactly geographically these teams are located (Patriots close to Boston right?, and the Packers... close to Clevelend?)
So there you have it.
Of course many will argue that basketball is a 5man sport and superstars are more important for success than in the NFL. I completely disagree with this. It takes a team to win. Championship teams had great TEAMS.
Green Bay isn't very close to Cleveland - it's in Wisconsin, closer to Milwaukee (and Chicago) in NBA terms than Cleveland. It's also a unique NFL team - it's owned by the city - in fact they are currently selling shares at 250 bucks a piece (limit 200) to anyone who wants to 'own' a piece of an NFL team.
The Patriots are outside boston yes, an until recently (the last 10 years or so) they might have been the fourth most popular team in the city, Boston has a rich sports history outside of the celtics in both hockey and mlb (even if that rich baseball history was mostly about bad luck and a 100 year old trade :) - My gf is from boston and she loves the red sox - so i'm biased about it but she's also now an eagles sixers aand partial phillies fan :)
I don't know if my idea makes sense, it quite possibly doesn't - but it just seemed to me that the whole 'packaging' of the NBA inevitably led to what's going on right now
The NFL has stars but it is a true team sport.
I think players in the NFL realize it takes a great organization to field a top team. You will be good with a star QB, but without a quality defense, O-line and skill players you don't have a shot at a SB. So players want to play for the right coach/team more than they are focused on the city.
While in the NBA it is assumed that 2 great players make or break a team so they can chose where they want to win.
The same applies to baseball, but having no salary control shifts the emphasis to teams willing to spend to win.
Yeah, my counter argument is the 2011 Indianapolis Colts :)
Brandon Roy is retiring, huh? Lucky break for he Blazers.
Is he still going to get paid?
Oh yes - it's guaranteed
And the blazers have to pay it ALL since they couldn't get insurance
Also allows the blazers to waive someone else :)
I hope he comes back next year and plays 11 games. Didn't the POR doctors pull some shit w/ Darius Miles and then it came back to bite them in the ass when he played again?
I believe Darius Miles did come back and play and it screwed Portland
4 years, up to $42.7M for DeAndre Jordan from GSW. Wonder if Sterling matches that.
Well all that 'clippers are the team of the future' talk gets a real test right away, which I'm glad to see.
is it too much for DeAndre Jordan - probably - should the clippers match if they are serious about building a winning team - hells yes - it makes a statement - more so than signing caron frigging butler does.
If they let jordan walk it'll just prove (to me) that Sterling is going to be Sterling and the clippers 'dynasty' ain't ever gonna happen.
And if i'm blake griffin i demand a trade immediately :)
What team should he demand to be traded to. You can only pick from three.
Oklahoma City, Dallas, and Washington
The first two I truly actually believe the last one was for giggles
and I though that the 3 years and 30 million that you proposed was a little excessive
My latest from SB Nation Philly on the Chris Paul situation. link
"gumption" Haven't head that word in a long time
How about "scrapple" I haven't heard that one in a while. Probably picked 'em both up from my dad. My favorite was "head like a sieve."
scrapple is breakfast meat - and god i miss it
scrappy might be the word you're looking for?:)
I like gumption, and scrappy - i like to use neglected words
Now I want scrapple
Nope. Meant scrapple. My dad loved that stuff, haven't seen it like a decade.
Never been a big fan of scrapple, reminds me of an episode of Roseanne
If you're from Philadelphia and don't like Scrapple I don't trust you ;)
And roseanne was awesome
I don't really consider myself a true "Philadelphian" since my parents didn't grow up here
You aren't a true philadelphian because you dislike scrapple - what's next - you'll tell me tastykakes are just ok?
I like tatykakes, but cheesewiz is awful.
Hell yeah
CHeeze Whiz is awful
Utz makes the best potato chips
Herr's is better, but UTZ is more affordable.
Oh i loved utz - picked em up at the ardmore farmers market - man miss that too - sigh i miss home
For the best scrapple sandwich, there is only one scrapple brand: "Philadelphia's Favorite" Habbersett's (of Folcroft, PA). Of course the blended pig product (stock, skins, hearts, livers, tongues, salt & spices) should be thinly sliced and then seared in a hot frying pan to a dark brown encrusted readiness for serving on the fresh bread or roll of your choosing. Note that the delicacy also serves as an astounding finger food for parties, but be sure to refer to it as 'pork a la petite quantite' so as to retain your more squeamish guests.
never really had a scrapple sandwich, just had it with breakfast on the weekends instead of bacon or sausage :)
You haven't lived! Especially great when snowed-in.
One of my top 10 favorite words. I saw it listed once as one of the great words in the U.S. vernacular.
New Orleans would be better served using the amnesty provision on Chris Paul than making the trade.
Someone would bid 100% of his salary in the blind auction, so they'd save $16.5M this season. Plus they'd have great odds for getting a top three pick in this draft.
Either that, or they can trade him, take on $45M in salary, have their own pick in the early teens and the Knicks pick in the late teens.
Oh but that makes WAY too much sense
Hah, that is sort of funny, sad and true.
David Aldridge on Twitter:
Magic contemplating filing tampering charges against two teams for illegal contact w/ Dwight Howard. Story up soon on http://NBA.com.
Is it bad that I wish one of those teams was the Sixers?
Nope - it's only bad if you really think it was one of them :)
I'm guessing NJ and Boston
the penalty should be the 2 #1 picks NJ was going to include in the deal for Howard :)
Is it tampering if HOWARD contacted the nets?
1 year, $6.5M for Grant Hill to stay in PHO.
Hey - a rational deal
Here's a heartening quote from the Aldridge piece:
The Magic, the source said, will not allow a repeat of the Shaquille O'Neal departure from Orlando to Los Angeles in 1996, when O'Neal walked as a free agent and the Magic were left with nothing. If the organization ultimately decides it has no choice but to trade Howard, it will do so. But the Magic will decide where he goes. The source said a reported proposed package by the Nets of center Brook Lopez and Draft picks for Howard is not at all interesting to the Magic.
The Magic, the source said, will not let Howard dictate the terms of where he wants to go.
"This will not be another Shaq situation," the source said. The Magic will "do what's in the best interests of the organization" and will not be left with nothing.
That's great
But if the magic trade Howard to a place where he won't sign an extension and he makes it publicly known - they won't get as much as they could get.
SO basically - trade him to a team he wants to go to - get the best deal you can - trade him for 50 cents on the dollar to a team willing to rent him for one year - or play it out and get squadoosh.
Being inflexible and intractable is always a good idea.
It doesn't matter if the team of his preference is offering 50 cents on the dollar, which the Nets are. The Noah/Deng/Taj package blows the Nets out of the water, as does my made up package from the Sixers above.
The Noah Deng Taj package doesn't exist if Howard says 'i won't sign an extension in chicago'
You don't get that package UNLESS Howard says he'll re-sign there - because the bulls aren't stupid...hence 50 cents on the dollar
I guess this means he'll go to Chicago or L.A. Hopefully LA, there's no way Howard can justify leaving Chicago
Of course there is
I don't want to play in chicago is legitimate justification - jesus
I meant "hopefully Chicago"
Sam Amick League source tells SI.com that it's New Jersey and Houston.
Nice. Orlando should get the NYK #1 pick from Houston and NJ's #1 from them if this is true.
isn't it frustrating how Broussard is just a mouthpiece for the big time player agents
He has the best contacts in the world for reporting this NBA stuff, and he's late to the beat on pretty much everything.
Just a bad reporter IMO
He was pretty much a player mouthpiece during the lock-out.
It probably helps keep his sources happy but diminishes his credibility.
It is a fine tightrope that sports journalists have to walk and some are better than others- which is partly why I don't bash beat writers for not being as aggressive in their attacks of the teams they cover.
For example, Tom Moore is critical but keeps a tone that does not inflame or incite. Which probably is good for his credibility and access but does not fit with the TV/ESPN style of shock-jocks.
Just saw this on twitter from someone. There's no appeal available for the veto because the league is seeing it as the Hornets pulling out of the negotiations, not a decision by stern as commissioner. In other words, "Ha ha. Suck it."
by the way, i'd make the deal I laid out above without a guarantee from Howard that he'd re-sign here. If he walks, you're left paying Gilbert for two more years, but who cares. I mean, what are you saving that cap space for if you can't get a superstar to come here, and in this case, if you can't get a superstar to stay here. Gilbert comes off the books the same year as Iguodala, and you can build a team with the pieces you have left if you can convince Howard to stay.
Is it really an impossible sale? They've got a new owner, they've got a coach with a tremendous amount of cache, they've got an elite wing defender who can set him up better than anyone he's ever played with, along with a true PG to pair him with for the next decade. I mean, just get him here and then it's up to you to sell him on staying.
And you know what, if you get him here, you really don't need to be the best salesman in the world. All you have to convince him is that staying in Philly and playing w/ Jrue/Iguodala is a better option than giving up $40M to sign somewhere else as an unrestricted free agent.
I would make the deal as well, but in Orlando's perspective having Bynum is better than having Turner
Probably, if he's on the table.
Is Turner even close to a comparison with Bynum here?
Isn't that like saying John Battle is preferable over a young Hakeem? But not so much in the literal.
You're assuming that basketball is the only decision process - and if it were - why the hell wouldn't he go to chicago instead?
It's a tougher sell for the Magic. These teams clearly don't think "We need too free up cap space and bottom out." The GMs are thinking, "I need the most value back for my player so my fans think I got something back and the league isn't mad at me for giving a sweetheart deal and not giving up Dwight Howard for less the he's worth." In that scenario, the Sixers didn't offer their Top 2 players, so it's really not enough. Jrue would probably have to be in the deal.
Stern really screwed the pooch with this Lakers deal. It screwed the Hornets long-term, but they got good value back for their superstar. It really was a fair trade.
See, I don't get how screwing the team long-term is a fair deal. It's just stupid.
No argument, but that's on the GM.
And when a GM makes a stupid deal, who stops it from happening? The owner, right?
Which is why CBA changes make no big deal to competetivness cause owners who are stupid don't suddenly get smart
Not here!
Big Baby to the Magic for Brandon Bass
Shit, now Howard's going to want to stay in ORL :)
Per Kate on Twitter, Battie coming back to the Sixers.
The sixers are determined to have the best collection of mediocrity at best centers in the NBA
Possibly the best center on the Sixers roster right now.
Sixers continue their outside-the-box thinking.
Battie re-signed? Wow, suprised that isn't mixed in with the Howard, CP3 headlines.
Kate on twitter: The 76ers can't move Speights until @yungsmoove21 & Hawes situations are resolved. Once there's closure there, almost certain Speights gone.
Any guesses on what they can get for speights?
A second round pick, protected through pick 55
Yup that along with a first round pick from our end should do it.
Maybe a team that needs to meet the minimum will take a shot at him since he's an expiring. No harm no foul if all they give up is a late second round pick for us to throw away on a player who isn't ranked in the top 500 on anyone's list.
Yeah but i'm not sure why hawes or young holds this up unless Thorn is too addled to handle all three ideas a the same time?
looks like kate is headed to espn
Ah, yes, OK, ESPN release beats me to the punch on this one (& most things). Leaving the #Sixers beat to write for WWL. Had a blast here!
Just when you thought ESPN's basketball coverage couldn't get worse
Maybe they're launching ESPNPhiladelphia.com
I heard she's going to be writing for some kind of espn for women thing. it might be new.
She wrote a piece for the mag last year http://sports.espn.go.com/ncw/news/story?id=6060641
Couple months ago they launched 'espnw' for womens sports...makes sense I guess.
(which crashed my firefox before it could fully load)
Good for her. Best of luck. I hope whoever they replace her with won't pander to the LCD.
Wouldn't be surprised if she's not replaced either.
They have to have a Sixers beat writer. They'll just get someone right out of college and pay them $20K.
A total bummer. While there are those who may not have liked her, I hope they enjoy a steady diet of Cooney and Narducci.
The only beat writer I've read consistently for like the last 4 or 5 years is tom moore.
Anyone who works for a paper that is part of philly.com is anatehma
I miss Lyon. Not a beat writer, but a good writer. Sort of a dying breed.
One of the best things of living in the midwest was getting the chicago tribune every day - mike royko was incredible - i also got to see the guy from the la times (jim murray?) closer to the end of his career.
I moved to Detroit after Mitch Albom had moved on to bigger things. And I don't follow the local papers herein Chicago.
Not sure when you moved to chicago - but royko was probably dead by then - i think he died while i was in college - but i could be wrong.
Guys like that usually have the papers publish their stuff as anthologies, if you liked lyon you wanna check out royko - he was brilliant
With all due respect to Tom - who has been great about participating in forums like Depressed Fan - I'll take Kate in a heartbeat.
I guess I missed all of those incisive, scathing articles that Tom wrote about how much of an abject failure that "Brace Face" was.
Bunny articles :)
Kate Fagans change from real writer to panderer who suddenly thought Iguodala was the devil made her worthless in my opinion. She wasn't worth reading once she started pandering
Never seen Tom Moore pander
Can't say that I got that vibe about Iguodala from her...if you are saying that she would question how Iggy fit on the team (and if he was doing enough to fit on the team), I felt that it was a legit angle to work.
In my almost 40 years of following Philly sports, I have NEVER seen a beat writer take a team to the woodshed the way she ripped Jordan and the Sixers for the disaster that was....while Cooney, Tom Moore and everybody else soft-pedalled it, she was shockingly real - and broke it down with substance and style.
She wasn't perfect, but she was better that whoever will replace her, IMO.
She felt that Ellis for Iguodala was a good and fair trade
I stop listening to anyone who posits a theory because it's so obviously stupid
If people used that standard - one bad take on something means you are an idiot - then who would POSSIBLY listen to you?
(man - an I glad the Sixers are back)
No one listens to me - hell half the time i'm just writing stuff cause i like to hear myself talk - remember - but i'm also not paid to be an intelligent unbiased beat writer of a basketball team who provides the fans with intelligent reasoned informed coverage of the team
her pandering to the morons went beyond the igioudala ellis thing but just an example
So...what's Cooney's excuse?
Look - I don't think there is ANY writer that I am going to like all of the time. Perhaps she stood out for me because the bar was/is so freaking low these days. For me, her taking Jordan and the Sixers to task during that disaster was the only thing I remember enjoying during that time, and for that she will always rate well with me.
Let's reconvene in March and see how her replacement is doing - OK?
To be fair, Tom was really the only beat writer I can think of who was critical about the Eddie Jordan hiring the day he was hired.
So not true. These sweeping statements just have to stop.
You're right
Anyone who covers sports for philly.com is anathema
It's my opinion - i don't like any of them - i think they're all hacks - i think brian gets the sixers better than anyone covering them for philly.com - i think the goodphight covers the phillies better
It's my opinion - if you don't agree with it - that's great - but you don't have to have it - it's MINE
Never through Iguodala would outlast Fagan in Philly :)
I wish her luck, she spiced things up a bit by not shying away from a strong opinion.
I'll be away from my computer for the official start of free agency, keep this post updated if anything earth shattering happens. Back in an hour or so.
I love how the national media steals our worst journalists. i.e Steven A. Smith
Next step- Gonzo
Is this for real?
You are comparing Kate Fagan with SAS and Gonzo?
sorry, that was a little harsh.
I think he was just hoping that ESPN would take him away next?
"Update: Rockets will NOT have complaint filed by Magic regarding tampering. Nets still being considered."
Just heard that some radio station (104.3 - The Fan?) is reporting that an unknown source claims the Nuggets are going to offer Thad a deal starting at $10M for 5 years.
Interesting - cause kate fagan just used twitter on this
#Sixers & restricted free agent Thaddeus Young are closing in on a deal to bring him back to the Sixers, multiple NBA sources have confirmed
i hope they didnt give thad too much
I'm concerned because at the moment this is contrary to what the sixers reported plan was, in connection with reported 'over payings' like the warriors for deandre jordan this feels like a panic move
But i have no actual facts to support it, just my own suppositions, we'll see
I assume their deal will be based on what other teams were willing to offer- but with an extra year and a different raise structure.
So it will be "market value"... but this years market could be wacky.
Also, I think all parties have handled this in a classy manner.
We'll see when the contract is announced if the sixers handled it intelligently
Not so much intelligently as pointing out the contrast with teams that either overpay without knowing the market (Iguodala) or engender ill will by stretching out the process while waiting for another team to make an offer. Or on the flip side a player wanting to be in the limelight while they make their "decision."
Sounds like the team and player both want to get a deal done without much distraction. And honestly, there is know way they could know what the current market is without waiting until today.
I'm pretty sure that other teams can only sign thad to a contract length of 4 years per the new cba?
Maybe the sixers out right offered him that deal, and if they did they're morons.
The Nuggets can't offer Thad 5 years.
Sure they can - via sign and trade
I don't think they can, actually. Need to look it up, but I think sign-and-trades are capped at 4.
Ah, interesting
i say do a sign and trade duopoly
They get thad we get nene
If we signed Tony Battie does this mean we can't amnesty anyone this year?
Why would the two be related?
Jrue Holiday
Evan Turner
Louis Williams
Jodie Meeks
Elton Brand
Andre Iguodala
Mareese Speights
(I think that's the list)
The only folks who qualify to be amnesty'd by the sixers. Why would Battie interact one way or the other?
I thought you had to use the amnesty clause before you could make any trades or signings.
Ah, I see, I don't know about that. Has anyone officially anounced they are using it? Maybe the NBA is keeping it quiet until the whole auction thing is done too? I don't know. Sorry, misunderstood the question, but I don't know if there's a difference this year at least
NBA teams informed of key dates today, sources say. Window to amnesty players is Dec. 9 (today) thru Dec. 16. Trade deadline is March 15 via marc stein
4 years/$24M for Bib Baby. If that's a fair deal, what's Thad worth?
Slightly less than deandre jordan would be my guess
btw, if it was a sign and trade that sent danilo to us, I'd be fine w/ it.
If ou find a pdf of the cba on line - please provide link
Orlando deserves what they get. How do you have the two best centers in the past 2 generations and f**k it up?
It's really hard to hold on to the best center in the league unless you're the Lakers. There's too strong of a gravitational pull. The Sixers didn't want to trade Wilt but were forced to. There was no way Orlando could have kept Shaq.
Out of curiosity - has anyone come across a news article that indicates that they think what Stern did with the Chris Paul trade was a smart/good move that doesn't reek of bad things?
Marcus Thornton Signs Five-Year, $40 Million Deal With Sacramento
so with davis and thornton signing, i'm thinking we'll be lucky if Thad is 5/50.
Too much
Though front load it through the first three years and maybe not so bad?
I'd love to see a frontloaded contract for a Sixer.
Gilbert Arenas officially waived
Can't wait to see some idiot GM put in a blind bid of like 50% on him.
Any owner who lets their GM do that should sell their team or have the fan base file a class action suit to have them declared incompetent.
I could see some team paying him a couple million to come off the bench...
Well now they're sure to keep howard
Vince Carter has also been waived and Brandon Roy will retire.
Was carter amnestyd' or just had a buy out?
Just waived apparently.
Good news guys. At probasketballtalk.com they said that the Sixers and Thaddeus Young are close to reaching a deal. It also sounds like we're likely to re-sign Spencer Hawes. Looks like we're bringing back the same exact team from last year, which is a good thing. Hopefully we can use our continuity to our advantage.
Is your last name Schrute?
No, my last name is Eisenhower.
Well, since you must be a zombie that's ok then
Wow i'm gone for a few hours and what happens:
- Thornton 40m for 5 years
- Big Baby 24m 4 years
Man if we get Young at 7-8m at this point i'm gonna feel it's a bargain.
sooo...Kate says to follow a guy named John Mitchell for Sixers news up through Wednesday when she leaves, that leads me to believe he's her replacement?
Quick google search for a John Mitchell leads me to Bleacher Report...
really hope I'm looking up the wrong guy, because holy shit. Not excited for...
10 Reasons Why the Sixers Need to Trade Iguodala
Maybe they are outsourcing Sixers coverage to a blog.
I could have suggested a better blog....
Hey - i tried to suggest a better sixers blog to ESPN - they ignored me - bastards
A bad haul?
They have six, SIX guys signed.
They got a good two guard in Martin, a very good big man in Scola, a very good forward in Odom, a young guard with lots of upside in Dragic, and a first round pick.
You can use those pieces in other deals to get more picks/cap space.
No Superstar is coming to NO, they need to build a winning culture there first and then resign their superstar. Which is what they failed to do with Paul.
Dealing Paul for all of that is a nice little reboot to the crappy franchise.
Saying that's a bad haul is retarded.
Woj says that the hornets, rockets and lakers still are talking
which is insane
i bet Coach Collins put a little fire under Thorn to get Young signed now as opposed to waiting for Young to sign someone else's offer sheet first. especially, if the Sixers know they are probably going to match anything anyway. I'm sure Collins is very eager to have Thaddeus present for the practices. he has had so much time to prep for the practices, i bet they are very intense. pretty sure Collins is kind of crazy, but in a good way for a bball coach.
Yes - it would be thrilling to me if the motivation to sign Thaddeus Young were Doug Collins
I would be thrilled if Thaddeus young's motivation to re sign with the sixers was Doug Collins though
haha, fair response. i just feel like collins must be so excited right now to finally be starting the season. i appreciate his attitude towards the game. I agree, though, hopefully his deal is more thought out than what i was implying before. patience. im ready for this season to start now.
I don't think they should be in a rush to sign Young, I do agree that the market is over valued right now and if they can get him for 'under' the current market by actively negotiating, that's great, but I don't feel Thaddeus Young is a player that helps the sixers win a title long term - I'm indifferent to his status until the contract terms are announced :)
He can be a guy who helps you win a title.
Heck, Barrea helped Dalas win a title by being an offensive spark.
But I figure you mean he won't be a top 3 player on a contender- which makes it hard to swallow a giant contract. And I generally am not one to sign complementary pieces to big contracts prior to having your franchise player in place.
The thing is, that you generally can unload quality young players at any time, even if they are a bit overpaid. for example, the Sixers could have gotten out of Iguodlala's contract at any time.
If you want to hear an educated opinion that is pro lakers at the same time, 710espn.com right now - the mason ireland show is pretty good and very basketball heavy
Since LAL,NOH and HOU are re-engaged in Pauls talks i wonder if Stern accepts the deal if the Lakers give the Hornets and Rockets the same players, but the Hornets send more salary back (Ariza, Jack...). It seems to me that the whole problem with the deal was the money. The new revenue sharing system is dependent on the Lakers paying huge tax right now and this deal saves them huge amounts of money short term. This is where the problem is and the league won't allow them to achieve more flexibility in addition to getting Paul.
If that's the problem w/ the deal, then the league is full of crap. The problem with the deal should be that New Orleans got older, more expensive, and did absolutely nothing for themselves in terms of rebuilding. If they don't address that, the trade is a joke.
That's why i hate that deal but i am not sure that's the reason it got nixed. Anyway the Hornets ain't getting a good deal for Paul after this. It's gonna be largely the same deal or bust.
You don't really believe they veoted the trade purely because of the contents of the trade fo 'basketball reasons' do you?
If the hornets weren't owned by the NBA this trade would have gone done with no word from the NBA
the league would've allowed it if it was constructed like this and the NOH owner was on board, yes. A decent owner, however, would've told Demps to find a new job if he suggested this package as a return for Paul. Or at least I would've.
There's a large body of writers out there that disagree with you entirely...all across the spectrum of analysis and insight
Yep. I'm OK with that. The package they'd be getting actually hurts the rebuilding process and doesn't make them good enough to matter in any way. I hate it.
Rip Hamilton getting waived by the Pistons. Waived not amnestied.
This is getting weird. It looks like teams waive players instead of amnestying them so that they can sign with contenders and not go through that stupid auction.
Loopholes and unintended consequences always happen after new CBA's. Reminds me of politics.
5y 42m for Thad per Wojnarowski. Happy or not? I wanna see how the deal is structured first. Better than everything else i've heard all free agency long though.
Oh and btw i love how Woj is faster and has more details than Fagan and he is covering the whole NBA.
I can live with that I guess - based on what's going on around the leage 8.4 per year (Average) isn't horrible
Works for me. 8 per. Better thanmost of the other garbage being thrown around
Works for me. 8 per. Better thanmost of the other garbage being thrown around
I sure hope that is front-loaded.
But in dollar terms it does not seem bad. Seems like they dodged a bullet.
A 5 year contract starting at 7M with annual max 7.5% raises is...5yr/42M.
$7.25 starting first year is $42M. I'd love it if they front loaded it. 12/12/6/6/6 would put them in such good shape when the CBA stiffens.
5y/40M was where I have placed Young's value all along.
Also Brandan Wright to the Mavericks. Obviously they're doing well to replace Chandler's "toughness."
That's probably starting at 7M w/ increases. That was the top edge of my limit. I can live with it. Would love if it was front-loaded.
A guy like Thad is going to get his minutes. However, if Vucevic becomes a big player for us, then that will make it more difficult to play Young. The reason Young got so much playing time last season was because Spencer Hawes barely played 20 minutes a game.
Except Young can take all of Nocioni's minutes at the SF position. And who says, Hawes will get 20min per game. Hawes may not even play get back. Wonder if he is still a free agent deep into training camp. Vucevic might have a chance to overtake him on the depth chart. Especially if this goes into the season.
A quick look at the salary situation going forwards suggests the Sixers will have up to 19 million next summer if they amnesty Brand and not resign Nocioni, Speigths and Hawes. They will also have Meeks as a free agent. Guessing they will have the room for a max deal for any player right? Not sure how those maxes depending on experience work.
Kevin Love anyone :)
Oops forgot the rookies. So that would mean a few million lower than that.
Elton Brand is better than Kevin Love as of right now. He's a much more efficient scorer. And Love pads his rebounding stats, as the T-Wolves were one of the worst rebounding teams in the league last season.
Are you serious? Love was more efficient last year. and his rebound rate was through the roof.
Youre high.
Why is that such an outrageous claim? Brand outplayed Bosh in the playoffs. Just because he's overpaid doesn't mean he isn't good. Love is very good and getting better, but his offensive game is pretty limited. He's a good shooter from 17 feet, has a good bank shot, but do you really want him out there?
Limited offensive game? The guy shot 43% from three last year.
Youre claiming that Love is limited offensively when Brand does little more than shoot mid range jumpers. I'm fine with who Brand is, but saying that he is better than Love is just dumb. Defensively probably, but as complete basketball player, no.
Youre claiming that Love is limited offensively when Brand does little more than shoot mid range jumpers. I'm fine with who Brand is, but saying that he is better than Love is just dumb. Defensively probably, but as complete basketball player, no.
I don't see how he can be better as a complete player when his defense is bad. Also, Brand can post up. Not sure that's part of Love's game, but admittedly I haven't seen him play very much. I mean, I'll even concede that Love's better (especially in light of 43% 3-pt % on 211 attempts - wow), but to imply that there's a big difference seems a bit exaggerated. Brand did shoot 51% last year. (He's 2 for 15 on 3s for his career!)
Now that I think about, Brand should be getting more than 8 boards a game considering how weak our other bigs were. Okay, you win.
Love doesn't have a reliable shot. He gets all of his points from put backs and jump shots. He doesn't have a go-to move in the post like Brand has, that's why Elton hit so many big buckets for us last year and why we had a decent record. The T-Wolves suck and Love is a part of that reason. He doesn't defend and isn't as efficient as Brand on the offensive end.
Hmm - all those 3's - no shot huh?
Let me rephrase: he doesn't have a go to shot.
For instance, the Sixers will give the ball to Brand late in the shot clock. The defender knows what Brand is going to do, Brand knows what he's going to do. All Elton does is his trademarked fadeaway and it goes in almost every time even with good defense.
With Love, he doesn't have that type of move, that defenders know is coming but still can't stop. He gets most of his points from cheap put backs and wide open 3's. It's obviously not enough to win games as evidenced by the T-Wolves record.
Yeah, I watched 82 games last season and I'd say Brand beat the shot clock with one of those fades maybe twice. He wasn't the guy they went to in a bailout situation. And if you want to stop his unstoppable move, put a guy who's over 6'10" on him. Brand was good last season, but he's nowhere near Love, and he's also not unstoppable. He was deadly on spot-up mid-range jumpers.
Love reportedly lost 25 lbs in the off season - and dude neeeded it


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London's Opera Now magazine describes her voice as ''one of the most flexible and natural vocal instruments of any living artist'' but who exactly is Anne Sofie von Otter?
''Why be worried about who you are?'' the Swedish singer says over the phone from Amsterdam where she is performing. ''It's who we are on stage that is interesting. You are calling now, we are talking. I am the person standing on stage. I wouldn't have opened up necessarily about my private life because it's not very interesting for me and it's my private life.''
She lives in Stockholm with her husband, Benny Fredriksson, the artistic director of Stockholm City Theatre. They have two sons, now in their 20s. When they were growing up she limited herself to three operas a year so she could be at home for them.
For her fans, von Otter's determination to downplay her appeal is an intrinsic part of the mystery surrounding one of the world's greatest mezzo-sopranos. She is a tall, blonde, blue-eyed Scandinavian who, as she approaches her late 50s, is still stunning. She is classical music's Helen Mirren.
Ask about music, though, and she comes alive. ''I love music so much at a very, very deep level,'' she says. ''It really makes life worth living. Whenever I perform it's the music that drives me.
''I know I have a facility for the music. I'm born with several wonderful gifts, like how to deal with phrasing and intonation. It's nothing I really had to learn, it's something I was born with, which is wonderful. I am a big question mark. Why was I so lucky?''
There is no obvious answer to be found in her background. She was born in Sweden in 1955. She is the daughter of a diplomat and was brought up in Bonn, London and Stockholm. As a child she loved classical ballet but in her teenage years she gave up dance in favour of pop music and singing in choirs. She did not seek out a career in opera: it found her.
''I always wanted to use the voice in a natural way, so classical singing, with all that it implies, for me was very strange,'' she says. ''I didn't like vibrato. It was horrifying. Whenever I sang in my teens it was with my natural voice.''
The shift to opera came almost by chance. She had been singing the top part in choirs - the most interesting part, to her mind. But it was killing her voice.
''I wanted to be a soprano and it was hurting, so what could I do? I started taking singing lessons and my singing teacher said, 'You are not a soprano, you are a mezzo.' So that's how it started.''
She won a place at the Guildhall School of Music and Drama in London, studying with the legendary Hungarian teacher, Vera Rozsa. Rozsa took the late starter in hand, organised her with a repertoire of operatic roles and steered her towards an agent. Within three years she was snapped up by Basel Opera, making her debut in 1983. Principal roles at Covent Garden followed in '85, then La Scala, Milan, in '87 and in 1988 she made her Metropolitan Opera debut as Cherubino in The Marriage of Figaro alongside Dame Kiri Te Kanawa and Dawn Upshaw.
The beginning of her career also coincided with the emergence of CDs and when the Deutsche Grammophon label was re-recording much of the standard repertoire for the new format it hired von Otter as one of its house artists. The resulting catalogue of more than 100 discs is impressive.
Critics veer from grudging respect for her crossover CDs to all out fandom; the online ''Otterati'' gush over her dress sense and, perhaps more importantly, some of the world's most respected musicians - Claudio Abbado, James Levine, Pierre Boulez, Simon Rattle to name a few - seek her out.
''I didn't want to be a soloist,'' she says. ''I wanted to sing and I didn't mind people hearing my voice individually but I would rather be up the back of a choir than [have them] look at me because that was embarrassing. I didn't want to stand there with the spotlight on me but that's what happened and now I'm very, very glad that it did because, in hindsight, it seems the thing that I really truly am on fire for.''
Von Otter will make her Australian debut with Sydney Symphony next month and will also give more intimate recitals in Sydney, Canberra and Melbourne.
''I love letting my voice take me where it wants to,'' she says, describing the program she has planned. ''It doesn't want to stay with classical throughout a whole recital. Towards the end I like to switch over to jazz standards or pop songs.''
While von Otter's career began on the operatic stage - throughout the '80s and '90s she played many of the great ''trouser'' roles where, by operatic tradition, mezzo-sopranos take the part of an adolescent boy - such repertoire is not on the agenda for this tour.
''I'm sick and tired of playing young, foolish, naive, hot-headed men. I have done my share of that, thank you very much. That chapter has ended for me and I can only say 'go out and have a good time' to all the young mezzos because they are wonderful roles. ''
But where does an ageing mezzo-soprano go when she is too old to pass for an adolescent boy? The singer is ever frank.
''It's hard,'' she says. ''If my voice suddenly took on another colour I would probably find some more dramatic roles to do but, as a matter of fact, it is still a light, lyric voice so the ideal role for me is still Cherubino, which you cannot sing when you are my age.''
There is no lack of music for her to sing, however. She has just appeared in the title role of Charpentier's Medee with Frankfurt Opera. She has taken on a few Wagnerian roles, although she feels it takes her voice to the very edge of her comfort zone. She embraces the concert repertoire, such as Berlioz's Les Nuits d'Ete and Canteloube's Songs of the Auvergne, which she will perform with Sydney Symphony. And that is before she has even touched on the German lieder tradition. ''Lieder repertoire suits [mezzos] much better than the high sopranos because it just sounds squeaky when they sing Schubert.''
After Australia, von Otter premieres a new commission with the Los Angeles Philharmonic and Esa-Pekka Salonen, then Mahler's Das Lied von der Erde with Simon Rattle and the Berlin Philharmonic, then New York, Paris, then another opera with fellow mezzo Cecilia Bartoli, singing Cornelia in Handel's Julius Caesar.
''I used to sing Sesto, the young man out to revenge his killed father, and now I am his mother, one generation back, which suits me really well.''
With such a solid career in standard repertoire behind her, she has been able to make her own music, collaborating with artists such as the Brodsky Quartet, Elvis Costello, ABBA's Benny Andersson and, most recently, American jazz pianist Brad Mehldau. Her ''crossover'' albums have made some opera tragics shudder but no one has been able to fault her delivery.
''It seems to me that music is music. If it's good music, music that I like, then it's music full stop and if I can sing it then I'll sing it.''
Anne Sofie von Otter performs at the Sydney Opera House, November 3, 6 and 7.
Holocaust link
Sometimes von Otter's appetite for good music has taken her far beyond the comfort zone. In 2008 she released a CD of music written in the Theresienstadt concentration camp. Theresienstadt, or Terezin, was a show camp, a cynical piece of propaganda for the benefit of the outside world, and the final destination of a generation of Jewish artists, musicians and scholars.
The disc features art songs and cabaret songs and some heartbreakingly beautiful lullabies that poet and musician Ilse Weber wrote to sing to the children at the camp.
''I cannot in a million years imagine what it would be like to be in a concentration camp but I think I can somehow relate to how much music means to me in my life and how much it must have meant to them,'' von Otter says.
It was only after recording the disc that von Otter discovered a personal dimension to the story. Her father, a diplomat, was on a train in 1944 when he was approached by an SS officer called Kurt Gerstein, who told him about the death camps and begged him to alert foreign governments. Her father took Gerstein's story to the Swedish foreign office but the officially neutral government of Sweden took no action.
Goran von Otter was to live out his life burdened by the knowledge that something could have been done.


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Do not fill the tubes to capacity and squeeze some air out before you put the cap on to allow for expansion due to pressure changes in the cargo area.
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Pack them at the top so they're easy to find without going through all of the luggage.
- Underwear/ socks - Keep these items together in a side pocket or in a zipper bag if your luggage has no pockets. Socks can be bagged in plastic and inserted into shoes.
- Documents - Documents should be kept in an outside pocket of your carry-on luggage, easy to access while you're traveling and then put safely away at your destination.
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An eight-member federal jury in Honolulu found no proof of libel on all counts brought before the court by North Shore shaper Craig Elmer "Owl" Chapman against Journal Concepts Inc. (aka The Surfers Journal, TSJ), Steve Pezman, TSJ's publisher and Jeff Johnson, author of the TSJ article in question.
"It's a complete victory for the defendants and a strong affirmation of the media's right to write about public figures," said Jeffrey Portnoy, managing partner of Honolulu law firm Cades Schutte, which represented The Surfer's Journal. "We're tremendously excited. There aren't too many jury verdicts, especially in Hawaii, and this one is one of the few."
The two year battle, which began in 2006 between Chapman and TSJ, is now over. Chapman's legal claims were based on a TSJ article written by Johnson article (El Hombre Invisible) that, according to Chapman and his legal team, cast an unsavory light on legendary shaper and his reputation.
"A ridiculously extreme portrait (indeed a most sinister caricature) of plaintiff emerges that casts him in a false light —- and which, further, points to a grandiose egotist who is mean-spirited, self-serving, full of braggadocio, impossibly arrogant and in the end, a degenerate, pathetic and drug-addled social outcast," Chapman's lawsuit claims.
Chapman vs. Journal Concepts Inc. was the first libel case to go before a jury in Hawaii in over 30 years.


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Thanks to John Daly for one stunning shot
December 6, 2012
As rain came to an end and clouds parted from this weekend's storms, Nevada City photographer John Daly headed down to the Highway 49 bridge and captured both the natural beauty and ferocity of western Nevada County's beloved South Yuba River — beneath a double rainbow, no less.
Daly shared his stunning shot with the community through The Union, which published the photo on the front page of Tuesday's edition.
Unfortunately, proper credit was not provided to the photographer in the print edition. The Union regrets the error, as Daly certainly deserves recognition for a piece of art so well received by our readers.
For those who like what they see through Daly's lens, there's another ongoing opportunity to see his work in downtown Nevada City.
Daly is showing some of his photography throughout the month of December at Java John's, 306 Broad St. He said he will also be hosting a show in January, in conjunction with SYCRL's Wild and Scenic Film Festival.
Daly's South Yuba shot drew rave reviews on The Union's Facebook page, where by noon Tuesday more than 1,700 people had viewed the photo — of which 90 had shared it elsewhere, reaching an unknown total number of Facebook users — and several expressed their gratitude for Daly's work:
Carolyn Crane — John Daly nailed it! Thanks for sharing!
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Jaye Deen Navo — Beautiful picture & it's nice to see he was smart enough to take the picture from afar rather than stand on that very, very old bridge with massive rushing water.
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Ronnie James Dio
Monday, June 17, 5:30 p.m. ET
Ronnie James Dio, a.k.a. "The Voice of
Heavy Metal", has fronted such influential acts as Elf, Rainbow,
Black Sabbath and Dio. So what's the meaning of the title track
of his newest release, Killing the Dragon? Dio explains that
the song refers to those who perpetrate injustices and what
the world is doing to stop them. In fantasy tales, dragons were
notorious for stealing children and feeding them to their babies.
During the first part of the song, I sing Someone has taken
a child. The second part is about a cruel feudal lord. The
third part is about electronic serfdom." Dio believes
that the computer has become a god in modern society. It is
a small god with an electrical heart, he says. It is
time to rebel against it. His dislike of computers notwithstanding,
Ronnie James Dio will be online to discuss his new album, his tour,
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A system called iSeeTV has been developed by a UK company Media Logic to allow students at Ball State University in Indiana to have a live consultation with their campus healthcare centre from the comfort of their dorm.
Students will use the phone to talk to their doctor or nurse, but will be able to see the person on the screen, allowing them to point out possible symptoms with the aid of pictures.
There are several reasons why the service will work particularly well at Ball State university, said Glyn Radcliffe-Brine, Commercial Director of MediaLogic.
"At the moment the campus is under two feet of snow and it is no fun going out," he told BBC News Online.
UK trial
Many students at the university come from conservative backgrounds in the mid-west of America and are often embarrassed to discuss sensitive issues such as alcohol or sex-related problems face to face.
Students will be able to talk with an on-screen doctor on the phone and can be shown pictures of possible conditions to aid diagnosis.
MediaLogic trialled iSeeTV in the UK for a year, connecting cable subscribers in Birmingham to the government's flagship NHS Direct service.
Telewest, the cable firm involved in the trial, decided not to continue with it, despite its popularity with users.
Empty waiting rooms
The UK Government has ambitious plans to use broadband to revolutionise the health service.
But Mr Radcliffe-Brine is not sure that these plans will be rolling out any time soon.
"It will be quite a few years before people do their healthcare via a PC as the infrastructure isn't there," he said.
But the benefits of offering people a way to connect with doctors from within their own homes are obvious, he said.
"Healthcare professionals will have to do less home visits and will only have to go out when a human being is needed. It will also mean less full waiting rooms," he said.
"People just have to pick up a phone and switch on their TV," he added.
MediaLogic is also planning to offer a distance learning programme via iSeeTV to post-graduate nurses in the US, which will be available via TV and handheld computers.


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Facebook is revamping the way its users' Newsfeeds work in order to make sure popular content is seen.
The algorithm is to be adjusted so that well-liked posts resurface, which it is hoped will increase browsing times and, therefore, provide a boost to advertisers.
For users it means they are more likely to see the posts that are important to them – those that receive a high number of 'likes' and comments.
However, it will also take into account how frequently someone interacts with a person or page, as well as whether it is the person's friends interacting with posts or just the world at large, Lars Backstrom at Facebook explained.
In its tests, Facebook said that users read 70 per cent of posts, which is a 13 per cent increase on the older algorithm.
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A PUBLIC space in Weymouth is set to be transformed into a fun-filled arena for a new event this spring.
The Rotary Club of Weymouth is planning two days of live music, entertainment and stalls in a bumper bank holiday event called Fayre in the Square.
The focus is on Hope Square but adjoining roads to the harbourside and up to Town Bridge will also be used.
It will be on Sunday, May 25 and Bank Holiday Monday, May 26. The Whitsun holiday used to be reserved for the now defunct Trawler Race Day.
Fayre in the Square aims to provide a fun community event for locals and visitors, with the emphasis on family entertainment. It will also give a boost to local businesses.
Raising money for local charities, it is hoped Fayre in the Square will become an annual attraction.
Roads will be closed to allow the event to take place, which will be from 10am to 6pm on both days.
As well as being home to a number of licensed establishments and Brewers Quay, Hope Square is also the location for Rotary's Pilgrim House.
Rotarians are meeting regularly to plan the event and gather support.
Dennis Corbett from the club said: "We wanted to run an event of our own. The Lions do the harbour swim and motocross and Melcombe Regis Rotary have the dragon boat race.
"We run Pilgrim House and we're aware of how footfall through the area has decreased.
"People are coming back now with the reopening of Brewers Quay but we wanted to do something to boost the area which is off the main drag.
"We've seen the loss of events like Trawler Race so our aim was to do something on the bank holiday."
A stage will be set up in Hope Square where bands such as Replay and Silhouettes will perform. Charity, food and commercial stalls will line the road up towards the Town Bridge. Buskers, school clubs, WOW, Bollywood dancers and a historical re-enactment group will provide street entertainment.
Dave Langridge from Rotary said Roger Dalton from the Dorset Seafood Festival was giving help and advice and the event had the support of the Harbour Traders' Association and businesses around Hope Square.
He said sponsors were being sought to help fund the event and ensure Rotary raises a worthy sum for charity. Anyone wishing to get involved should call 01305 761828.


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5.1 The N-methyl carbamate (NMC) pesticides: aldicarb, carbaryl, carbofuran, formetanate hydrochloride, methiocarb, methomyl, oxamyl, pirimicarb, propoxur, and thiodicarb have been identified by EPA as working through a common mechanism. They affect the nervous system by reducing the ability of the enzyme cholinesterase. Cholinesterase inhibition was the primary toxicological effect of regulatory concern to EPA in assessing the NMC's food, drinking water and residential risks. In most of the country, NMC residues in drinking water sources are at levels that are not likely to contribute substantially to the multi-pathway cumulative exposure. Shallow private wells extending through highly permeable soils into shallow, acidic ground water represent what the EPA believes to be the most vulnerable drinking water.4
5.2 This test method has been investigated for use with reagent and surface water for the selected carbamates: aldicarb, carbofuran, oxamyl, and methomyl.
1. Scope
1.1 This procedure covers the determination of aldicarb, carbofuran, oxamyl and methomyl (referred to collectively as carbamates in this test method) in surface water by direct injection using liquid chromatography (LC) and detected with tandem mass spectrometry (MS/MS). These analytes are qualitatively and quantitatively determined by this test method. This test method adheres to multiple reaction monitoring (MRM) mass spectrometry.
1.2 This test method has been developed by US EPA Region 5 Chicago Regional Laboratory (CRL).
1.3 The values stated in SI units are to be regarded as standard. No other units of measurement are included in this standard.
1.4 The Detection Verification Level (DVL) and Reporting Range for the carbamates are listed in Table 1.
1.4.1 The DVL is required to be at a concentration at least 3 times below the Reporting Limit (RL) and have a signal/noise ratio greater than 3:1. Fig. 1 displays the signal/noise ratios of the primary single reaction monitoring (SRM) transitions and Fig. 2 displays the confirmatory SRM transitions at the DVLs for the carbamates.
1.4.2 The reporting limit is the concentration of the Level 1 calibration standard as shown in Table 2 for the carbamates.
1.5 This standard does not purport to address all of the safety concerns, if any, associated with its use. It is the responsibility of the user of this standard to establish appropriate safety and health practices and determine the applicability of regulatory limitations prior to use.
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D2777 Practice for Determination of Precision and Bias of Applicable Test Methods of Committee D19 on Water
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D3856 Guide for Management Systems in Laboratories Engaged in Analysis of Water
D5847 Practice for Writing Quality Control Specifications for Standard Test Methods for Water Analysis
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