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Why Ivy Bridge Is Still Quad-Coreby Kristian Vättö on 12/5/2011 1:35 PM EST
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Hulk - Monday, December 05, 2011 - linkbut I still wish we'd be seeing a hex IB. Video editing and transcoding is one application where the additional cores would definitely be helpful. But of course as you mentioned, Intel doesn't want to savage it's higher end solutions.
I suppose we'll eventually get to the point where the high end parts will be 8 or more cores and then the mainstream parts can go to 6 cores.
Too bad BD wasn't more competitive... Reply
euler007 - Monday, December 05, 2011 - linkThere probably will be a socket 2011 IB-E, but since they just launched the SNB-E cpus and the new chipset they're being hush about it so that the people with deep pockets that want the best and most expensive toys are not tempted to wait for it. Reply
ncrubyguy - Monday, December 05, 2011 - linkYeah... The George Lucas Extreme Collectors Edition with those last 2 cores enabled. Reply
DigitalFreak - Monday, December 05, 2011 - link"Video editing and transcoding is one application where the additional cores would definitely be helpful"
Maybe, but wouldn't you get the same or better performance for these tasks using Quick Sync? Reply
JarredWalton - Monday, December 05, 2011 - linkPotentially, but there's also a risk of a loss in quality, and to my knowledge the major video editing applications (e.g. Adobe Premiere) don't use it. Reply
plonk420 - Monday, December 05, 2011 - link*old* x264 (i.e. a GOOD encoder) docs say "The quality loss from multiple threads is mostly negligible unless using very high numbers of threads (say, above 16)."
6core/12thread may barely hit that limit, but i doubt it's notable. i'll have to try some tests if i feel motivated to do so later...
video *editing* probably doesn't matter. Reply
Sivar - Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - linkx264's quality loss as threads increase is linear. 8 threads will lose about twice as much quality as 4. I suspect that documentation, if fleshed out, would say something like "When encoding video at a set bit rate, the quality loss from multiple threads is nearly imperceptible until one encodes with, say, 16 threads or so."
The loss is somewhat measurable. If you encode a video in quality mode, only the file size increases. Reply
piroroadkill - Monday, December 05, 2011 - linkQuick Sync has to be the least supported piece of technology around.
I own a 2500K and a Z68 board, but only a couple of amateur level commercial products actually support it.
Tell me when regular x264 supports it. Reply
MonkeyPaw - Monday, December 05, 2011 - linkYou mean an Intel's graphics engine has poor support? :-0
Maybe, just maybe, if Intel would leave QS enabled in ALL its CPUs, we might actually see real support for it. But that's not the Intel business model. It will probably take AMD's copying of the idea and using it across their lineup before we see Intel do it, too, just like we did with CnQ/Speedstep and 64bit. Reply
Zink - Monday, December 05, 2011 - linkThere also isn't a huge demand for QS today. Video on mobile devices is becoming more common but cellular data and video acceleration are becoming better so you can either stream a video or play the full quality 1080p file from your PC. I think the % of consumer that has Quick Sync and transcoded videos or rips them from BD is very tiny. There are plenty of people who do video professionally but the quality issues with QS aren't worth it for professional applications. Maybe if QS could be integrated into video editing software to be used to generate the video previews and then use standard encoding for the final product. Reply
name99 - Tuesday, December 06, 2011 - linkThe real win for QuickSync is not video transcoding --- few people do that. It's high quality video conferencing.
This is probably rare in the bulk Windows world because HiDef webcams are rare on cheap laptops.
The win, again, is not so much reducing your CPU load, although that is nice --- it is doing the work at lower power.
OSX, for example, uses QuickSync for iChat HD, even though Apple doesn't (yet --- I expect this will change) use it for anything else. Reply
icrf - Tuesday, December 06, 2011 - linkIs video chat really that popular? I've seen ads on TV for two decades now, everyone from Cisco to Apple telling me it's awesome, yet I've still never known anyone who used it. Reply
icrf - Monday, December 05, 2011 - linkQuickSync is a hardware encoder. x264 is a software encoder. There's not really any combining. They're completely separate, independent pieces. You can't use one without becoming it.
x264 has long been a quality-driven encoder, first and foremost, so it's always been my personal preference. That means I don't care about QS and just want more cores. I don't really care about onboard graphics, either, since I always run a discrete card. That should make me a perfect candidate for the -E segment, but I'm just not willing to spend the money. I don't think a SNB-E is significantly more expensive or difficult to create than SNB, so I have a harder time justifying it. It's just targeted at a smaller, generally wealthier subset of the market that me, an otherwise average consumer, happens to be sitting in.
What else does the "willing to pay a premium" market segment want that Intel could hold back while still giving some consumers more cores? Reply
piroroadkill - Thursday, December 08, 2011 - linkI thought QuickSync was just Intel marketing BS for using their onboard GPU to do the encoding work.
I can't imagine why your quality would be horribly affected if you had the GPU do some work.
But what do I know, seriously, I'm not on the x264 team, and my hat is firmly tipped to them. It is the best encoder, of course. Reply
BSMonitor - Tuesday, December 06, 2011 - linkBD would not have changed the core count in Ivy Bridge. Intel's current RoadMap had mainstream as Quad-Core. Period. They would not redesign the die last minute to include two more CPU cores.
For you to want six cores on a CPU that includes an integrated GPU doesn't really make much sense in terms of the vast majority of people buying these mainstream IVB processors. So, you want 6 cores? SNB-E or wait until IVB-E.
More than that, all CPU cores are not created equally. 6-8 K10 cores don't even come close to SNB or IVB cores. A quad core IVB will transcode nearly on par with any 6-core processor out today. Reply
ajp_anton - Monday, December 05, 2011 - linkBasically we need the high-end CPUs to become 8-core first, so let's hope IVB-E will become that so that Haswell can get 6-core CPUs in the "low-end". I can make good use of many cores, but I also need an IGP in my small "portable" computer with all PCIe slots in use for other things than graphics. Reply
Zink - Monday, December 05, 2011 - linkThere's also the ITX segment where the low end smaller socket is the only option and having CPU graphics is useful. Reply
DanNeely - Monday, December 05, 2011 - linkSB-E dies are 8 core. But either due to poor yield or to push market segmentation even harder; they're only going to be used for Xeon's that make the i7-extreme look cheap. I suspect we'll find out which in about 6 or 8 months when Intel either gives 1 or 2 multiplier bin increases across the SB-E line, or drops an 8 core down to the extreme slot. Reply
DigitalFreak - Monday, December 05, 2011 - link"Video editing and transcoding is one application where the additional cores would definitely be helpful"
Maybe, but wouldn't you get the same or better performance for these tasks using Quick Sync? Reply
GrizzledYoungMan - Monday, December 05, 2011 - linkNot exactly. In the pro video realm, quality matters just as much as speed. Unfortunately, the quality of encoding produced by the programs that can use Quick Sync is inferior to commercial grade transcoding applications (like, say, anything offered by Telestream).
In general, the results of GPU-assisted transcoding are regrettably poor compared to good software transcoding. And software transcoding is generally more flexible in terms of adjusting settings and updating to new codecs/processes. Hence, pros go for lots of sockets and lots of cores. Reply
Taft12 - Monday, December 05, 2011 - link"In the pro video realm, quality matters just as much as speed."
Actually quality matters MUCH MORE than speed. You can always throw more hardware at the problem (multi-socket workstations for starters) Reply
RussianSensation - Monday, December 05, 2011 - linkValid point, however, with the smartphone and tablet revolution upon us, I imagine most people will want to convert movies/videos to watch on their smaller 1280x720 smartphone. I think for those purposes, the ability to convert video quickly using QuickSync or discrete GPU is sufficient. Put it this way, the majority of the world is going to laptops/smartphones and tablets. If the consumer trends are pointing to more power efficient mobile devices, it's clear those same users aren't concerned with the best image quality that takes 10x longer to achieve. I'll take a 25 min video conversion to watch a movie on the subway over waiting 5 hours to achieve superior image quality I won't even notice.
With IVB being 4 core and shifting to 22nm, overclocking potential should be far greater than 6 core SB-E. In games and most tasks, the $200-300 IVB chip should easily beat a $500-1000 SB-E. That leaves server and workstation (rendering) users really wanting a 6 core CPU. Looking at 6 core Phenom II 1100T and 8 core FX-8150, it's obvious that today clock speed, performance/watt and performance per clock (IPC) are far far more important than having more cores. Even lower end Core i3s have no problems cleaning up Phenom II X4s in games. Reply
iwod - Monday, December 05, 2011 - linkBoth Speed and quality matters. QuickSync is Slow, and of poor Quality. That is the problem
x264 fastest settiings can produce Video Files marginally faster then QuickSync and much better quality.
The new QuickSync in IB will be 50% faster, but even then this is very slow in my opinion. Reply
twotwotwo - Monday, December 05, 2011 - linkIf this isn't a major microarchitecture revision, any idea where that's coming from? Reply
Kristian Vättö - Monday, December 05, 2011 - linkTri-Gate. Intel is claiming 18% performance increase at 1V compared to regular planar transistors: http://www.anandtech.com/print/4313 (the regular article doesn't work for me for some reason). Reply
MrSpadge - Monday, December 05, 2011 - linkThis "performance increase" says "you can clock me 18% higher".. which you'd have to do in order to translate this advantage into faster execution times. Intel is not doing this (yet), see previous post on IVB clock speeds.
MrS Reply
Zink - Monday, December 05, 2011 - linkyep, Kristian is confuzled. Performance won't really be any higher. They're shipping the same clocks but at lower TDPs than SNB and its the same architecture. Performance is 15% higher TDP for TDP. Reply
JarredWalton - Monday, December 05, 2011 - linkAs the text notes, Intel is claiming 15% performance improvement due to caching and other architectural improvements. This is comparing the i7-2600 to the i7-3770, both of which are 3.4GHz parts with similar Turbo Boost. Here are the numbers:
SYSMark 2012: 7% faster
HDXPRT 2011: 14% faster
Cinebench 11.5: 15% faster
ProShow Gold 4.5: 13% faster
Excel 2010: 25% faster (mostly from cache)
I will come right out and say that I'm not familiar with at least two of those tests, but despite the AMD brouhaha SYSMark 2012 appears perfectly reasonable as an office application benchmark. It's also the lowest improvement, not surprisingly. Reply
maroon1 - Tuesday, December 06, 2011 - linki7 3770 has Turbo of 3.9GHz which is 100MHz higher than i7 2600 Reply
Kristian Vättö - Monday, December 05, 2011 - linkIn the slides provided by Intel, i7-3770 performs about 15% faster on average than i7-2600. Both are clocked at 3.4GHz. You are right that the Tri-Gate isn't the main reason (my bad, sorry), but there must be some architectural changes that improve the performance (and that's what Intel is claiming). Of course, keep in mind that these are provided by Intel. I think in real life, we will be looking at less than 10% performance increase as a whole. Reply
hechacker1 - Monday, December 05, 2011 - linkPerhaps some of that increased performance is due to the lower TDP and increased efficiency per watt. Ivy could potentially stay in Turbo far more often without exceeding the overall TDP limit. Reply
haukionkannel - Monday, December 05, 2011 - linkThat seems very reasonable explanation! That Tri-gate offers some improvement, but low TDP does actually make it more easy to use higher turbo more often! Reply
Iketh - Monday, December 05, 2011 - linkaaaHAH! Yes, that is it, or probably 75% of it anyway... Reply
Taft12 - Monday, December 05, 2011 - linkThe 15% figure is coming from marketing.
I'd be shocked if you could squeeze 15% faster performance from IVB at the same clockspeed except in the most useless of synthetic benchmarks (but don't worry, there'll be plenty of those!) Reply
MrSpadge - Monday, December 05, 2011 - linkYeah, that would actually be a hefty tock, not a tick.
MrS Reply
name99 - Tuesday, December 06, 2011 - linkJust because it isn't a "major" rev doesn't mean that there won't be minor mods. There usually are. They tweak the L2 and L3 latencies, maybe add a few more "virtual" registers, maybe make the buffers holding preloaded instructions, or post-decoded instructions a little longer, etc etc.
Along with that, there are sometimes ideas that were put in the SB micro-architecture that will add a % or two to performance, but which were disabled for SB because they couldn't be made to work in time, but they're now working in IB.
At this stage of the game, it would be surprising if all these add up to 15% rather than, say, 5%, but I think we have to withhold judgement until Intel gives us the real micro-architecture details. Reply
Marlin1975 - Monday, December 05, 2011 - linkSame thing was said when dual core was just coming on and later Quad.
Things are not going to be coded for dual, quad, etc... until there are enough on the market.
"Build it and..." Reply
JarredWalton - Monday, December 05, 2011 - linkQuad-core chips have now been on the market for over five years, and there are still regrettably few applications that can leverage the additional cores, particularly when we look at the apps that people use 95% of the time (e.g. web browsers, email, office apps, and to a lesser extent image editing). There are plenty of tasks that can get split in two, but splitting them into four independent tasks isn't always possible, and taking it to six, eight, etc. results in most things reaching their limit of subdivision.
3D rendering is a great example of a task that scales almost perfectly, and video transcoding is right there with it, but what can you do to make Word utilize (or even need) more than four cores? Sure, multitasking, but even then you're either going to run into bottlenecks elsewhere (e.g. HDD needs to be replaced with SSD for it to scale), and while you can do something like a virus scan, video transcode, and play a game on a sixteen core monster... who actually does that sort of thing? Reply
DanNeely - Monday, December 05, 2011 - linkChrome/IE's process per tab and to a (much) lesser extent FF/Opera's seperate plugin processes kinda sorta take advantage of multiple cores in that they reduce the ability of a badly behaving tab from strangling the browser 's performance by going into an infinite loop. Reply
name99 - Tuesday, December 06, 2011 - link"Chrome/IE's process per tab "
This is a perfect example of a "not-a-real" solution.
Yeah, it kinda helps if you're running Google's hoped for world of really heavy-weight JS apps in multiple windows, but that's not most people.
What most people want is "I open a page and it appears immediately", not "I can run three heavy weight, constantly running JS pages in the background".
And you ultimately admit this yourself: "kinda sorta take advantage of multiple cores in that they reduce the ability of a badly behaving tab from strangling the browser 's performance by going into an infinite loop." That's nice --- but the point of better hardware is not to deal with crap web pages. (Google's solution of shunting them to ever lower in the search rankings is a much better solution).
What we WANT is an engine that will run all the heavyweight parts of processing a web page in parallel. We simply don't have that --- no point in pretending otherwise. Reply
Iketh - Monday, December 05, 2011 - linkhey now, what you got against virus scanning, transcoding, and gaming all at once lol... i admit i am guilty of this on more than one occasion, and on a measly 2600k... starcraft 2 and FSX don't do well in this situation tho Reply
tomvh - Monday, December 05, 2011 - linkCan't agree more. I went to a Core 2 Quad 6600 and three years later, I'm still very disappointed at how few applications are multithreaded.
If you look at task manager, you see a thread count in the 600 to 900 range, at least you have extra thread handling capacity available. Hyper threading which I don't have would even help more.
' Waiting for a low TDP IB Quad for my next HTPC build mainly for transcoding my movie media backups to my media tank for whole house viewing over my cat6 gig network.
Heck the Core2 Duo 2.6 in my media tank server can display any Blu-Ray fine.
Otherwise, I would keep running my Q6600 til the whole box died.
So much for progress "If your not a gamer and need it" Reply
ltcommanderdata - Monday, December 05, 2011 - linkIf Ivy Bridge really does have a decent IGP and now that it has better support for GPGU with OpenCL 1.1 and CS5.0, wouldn't Intel encouraging developers to make use of GPGPU for those few cases where extreme multithreading is need work out as a good compromise? ie. high clock speed quad core + decent GPGPU vs. slow clock speed hexacore + slow/no GPGPU. Reply
DanNeely - Monday, December 05, 2011 - linkMaybe, but for as poorly as intels current IGP stacks up with even low end discrete GPUs, I suspect we'll have to wait at least until Haswell for an IGP that's enough faster than the CPU at OpenCL to justify using it for performance reasons instead of only having a single code path Reply
hardapple - Monday, December 05, 2011 - linkWe software people have NO IDEA what to do with them. Concurrency is a huge unsolved problem, which actually breaks down into two or three major unsolved problems. Our brightest minds are completely clueless on this subject. I don't think the problem will ever be solved, because concurrency is fundamentally at odds with the way human beings think. We are not multithreaded multitaskers.
To paraphrase Donalth Knuth (aka the Father of Computer Science), "I've worked on over a thousand computing projects in my career and I can't even think of 5 that would benefit from concurrent algorithms." He calls it an attempt by the hardware people to push the blame for the death of Moore's Law onto software people.
Multicore hysteria is going to lead to a lot of wasted silicon. That die space should be devoted to cache, GPU, and SoC functionality -- things that will actually have huge benefits for users. Reply
tipoo - Monday, December 05, 2011 - linkWell I think the four in IB is fine, but as for the push towards six I agree. I'd rather that thermal headroom be used for faster quads or better on-die graphics like AMD went for. Reply
sticks435 - Monday, December 05, 2011 - linkThis. There is a thread over at Overclockers.net discussing the AMD 'we're not going to compete with Intel anymore' announcement, and a big point of that is Intel will slow down the pace of innovation because they don't need to compete anymore, which would result in quad core CPU's for a long time. Most everyone was complaining about it, but a few were happy, because it would allow software to catch up to the hardware. Reply
hardapple - Monday, December 05, 2011 - linkAMD announced their first dual-core CPU in June 2004. Before that, SMP systems with 2 CPU's had been around for ages. Yet after all this time, no one has figured out how to use these extra cores. They still sit idle most of the time.
Maybe software is never going to "catch up" to the hardware, and why should it? Taking existing software and making it multithreaded almost always comes at the price of stability. Programmers simply cannot think like a multicore CPU. So it's no surprise that our attempts at multithreading crash and crash hard.
Intel and AMD should stop at 4 and devote all their effort to improving single-threaded performance. Even if they can't keep up with the expected doubling of performance (and they can't), they will still be making hardware worth buying. I can live with a 10% performance improvement every 2 years if it comes in the form of an SoC with all day battery life. Reply
DanNeely - Monday, December 05, 2011 - linkMultisocket SMP systems were priced outside the consumer market; so their failure to develop any useful consumer related apps isn't that telling. The database and web server applications that many of them were (and still are) running scale well across multiple cores since they're able to process multiple requests in parallel. Reply
MrSpadge - Monday, December 05, 2011 - linkAgreed. 2 cores did make sense (running separate programs), quad is a nice "safety buffer" in case that demanding app comes along.. as long as it doesn't cost much and you can deal with the power consumption. However, for even more cores there's dramatically less benefit for an average PC.
Actually I think highly clocked / turboed dual cores with HT are the sweet spot for such applications. Sadly Intel is charging pretty much as much for them as they do for quads.. since they know the duals are as good, regarding general useability.
This is from someone who doesn't fit the average profile and can keep many threads busy most of the time..
MrS Reply
kyuu - Monday, December 05, 2011 - linkSpot on.
Just as the article says, scaling beyond 4-cores is pretty minimal and only really relevant for a limited number of professional applications. Those users already have platforms they can spend up on to get more cores (or just get Bulldozer if IPC isn't important). For mainstream users, there are much better uses of the silicon than adding more cores. Reply
alent1234 - Monday, December 05, 2011 - linkthe SQL 2012 pricing came out a few weeks ago and it's actually cheaper for us to buy brand new quad core CPU servers to replace the 6 core ones we bought earlier this year. reason is that SQL 2012 is now licensed per core. $6874 per core to be exact for the enterprise version
while the people who only repeat the tech acronyms will be dreaming of more cores, i've already read from other DBA's that they recommend their employers to go less cores. especially since there are very little benefits to going multi core except for a few workloads
and for most desktop workloads the software hasn't been optimized for multicore, won't be or there is very little extra performance Reply
silverblue - Monday, December 05, 2011 - link...the i5-750 was Lynnfield, not Clarkdale.
In any case, the i5-750 is still a very good CPU and would easy beat the A8-3850 in CPU tasks even with a clock speed deficit and even without turbo enabled. Reply
kyuu - Monday, December 05, 2011 - linkSure, but the Llano can deliver more than adequate CPU-power for most tasks along with graphics that can run many mainstream games at halfway decent resolutions/settings in a much lower thermal/power envelope.
Trinity, if they can do what I hope and include some modified/improved Bulldozer "cores" that deliver at least somewhat improved CPU-power along with what is sure to be really kickin' graphics performance with excellent power/thermals, will be a home-run with ultrabooks and would probably entice me into picking one up. Reply
Zink - Monday, December 05, 2011 - linkWhat we need to do is clone Anand so that we can get some decent editing done. Maybe Anand can get a lab monkey to move in with him and run benches while Anand does his magic videos and edits articles like this to keep site integrity up. Sometimes I can't tell who's writing it is from the style but the misunderstandings and mistakes make it obvious with a lot of the other writers. Reply
JarredWalton - Monday, December 05, 2011 - linkSorry, I put in Clarkdale while going through that section of Kristian's article as an example of how CPU performance needs haven't really improved. You'll be happy to know that it now reads Lynnfield, which of course changes everything because people worry more about codenames than the actual model numbers, right? Seriously, every time someone says "site integrity" because of a very minor mistake, I just laugh at the apparent need for hyperbole on the Internet. Reply
Zink - Monday, December 05, 2011 - link"PCIe 3.0 should also make 16 lanes fine for dual-GPU setups, reducing the market for SNB-E even more."
Imply to people just learning about this stuff that 8x/8x on PCIe 2.0 is possibly not fine for dual-GPU. I don't think we know yet if there will be any noticeable performance hit when using next gen GPUs with PCIe 2.0 8x class bandwidth.
"These three (well, techically two because Kentsfield consists of two dual-core Conroe dies) chips are the only "real" quad-core CPUs from Intel."
Leaves out Yorkfield and Lynnfield, Lynnfield being the big one hear because it integrated PCIe and allowed the X58 northbridge to be dropped in favour of the P55 PCH.
"In 2008, Nehalem moved the memory controller onto the CPU die, which allowed Intel to get rid of the Northbridge-Southbridge combination and replace it with their Platform Controller Hub."
X58 was a northbridge that did only PCIe, there was also the ICH10 southbridge.
"Sure, IVB is about five months away, but I doubt Intel wants to relive the Sandy Bridge vs. Nehalem (i7-9xx) situation--even Bloomfield vs. Lynnfield was quite bad."
Call it Sandy Bridge vs. Gulftown to make it simpler. I don't know why Intel dropped the individual CPU names and decided to only use the architecture name. Sandy Bridge is LGA1155 while Sandy Bridge E is LGA2011. It also means when they die shrink to Ivy Bridge we can't keep calling it sandy bridge like we did with Nehalem. Reply
Zink - Monday, December 05, 2011 - link"Sandy Bridge vs. Nehalem (i7-9xx)"
I see what you're saying, the i7-950 is technically "higher end". Sandy Bridge was such an obvious upgrade over Bloomfield and the prices were the same so I didn't consider that. I was thinking Sandy Bridge VS Gulftown because that was a situation where the much more expensive processor often provided a poorer user experience.
I agree, there is no way Intel could release a six core LGA1155 CPU now, mainly because of the marketing. The SoC and six core scaling are also good arguments when combined because Intel saves money by not having manufacture a six core die along with their four core and two core products. If competition with SNB-E wasn't an issue it would be easy to make a few six core LGA1155 CPUs but the extra cost of having more products isn't necessary, especially with no competition from AMD. Reply
Kristian Vättö - Monday, December 05, 2011 - linkI give you the Lynnfield part (added now). I didn't remember that Nehalem still needed two extra chips, and that it wasn't until Lynnfield when we got on-die PCIe. Yorkfield still consisted of two dies so it's basically the same as Kentsfield but at 45nm instead. Technically a different die, but in the end the same. Reply
Zink - Monday, December 05, 2011 - link" Even then, most consumers would opt for the IVB platform due to cheaper motherboard costs and lower TDP."
If this doesn't show AMD failing to compete I don't know what does. Intel deciding not to make a product because it is what customers wan't. Reply
Roland00Address - Monday, December 05, 2011 - linkIvybridge is going to be intels first mass production of 22nm chips, when you are doing a new manufacturing process you do not mess with the design and make it more complicated than you have to, if you screw it up you will have crappy yields and crappy yields means loss money. Graphic cards and SoC manufactures call this a "pipe cleaner", intel calls it a "tick."
Once you know your manufacturing technique, once you sure of it and yields are great, then you get all creative and do your planned monster (what intel calls a "tock".)
Intel not needing to release a 6 core for most mainstream users do not benefit due to software, and amd not providing enough competition thus a mainstream 6 core cannibalize their high end and reducing profit is just gravy. Reply
LV3 - Monday, December 05, 2011 - linkAlthough Intel is still making great improvements, I can't help but think it's not as good as it could be because the main reason imo the Intel execs are holding the leash back on their engineers is because they would be competing with their own processors.
Here, Intel is competing with itself. If AMD was at all a threat, Intel would have no qualms about making Ivy Bridge even better. Reply
IntelUser2000 - Monday, December 05, 2011 - linkThis is actually most, if not ALL due to ARM. In 2008, Haswell was slated to bring 8 cores to mainstream computing. Now its 4. This year they announced significant strategy change to lower power across the entire product line. That's what's happening now. Haswell will still get all the performance clock and other improvements, but not the extra core count(maybe in the high end, but not for vast, vast majority). Reply
Ananke - Monday, December 05, 2011 - linkIntel just doesn't need to offer a 6-core IB, because it has no competition. Instead, Intel will have double profit margins due to the smaller die, and will sell at the current or slightly higher prices of SB analogs. Customer is happy - he gets 10-20% performance increase; Intel is happy - it gets 50-60% margin increase :):):). Reply
plague911 - Monday, December 05, 2011 - linkI want a a cpu at roughly 200~300
I want a discrete graphic card in the 200-300 range
and I want pcie 3.0 and usb 3.0
I can get an ivy or sandy bridge chip with integrated gfx which I find a waste of money
Or I can splurge on a $500 sandy ex and get a 6 core which wastes money because many programs do not support that many threads so the splurge is not worth it.
So ya intel is forcing me into into a buying situation where I am not being offered where i want.
Yes I am being selfish buy I assume others are in the same position as me.
This is what happens when AMD becomes a failure on the consumer front :( Reply
kyp275 - Monday, December 05, 2011 - linkWonder if it'll be worthwhile to upgrade to Ivy Bridge from Bloomfield for gaming purposes... might be worth it for the reduced TDP and more OC overhead, even if there's no huge performance jump? Reply
Shadowmaster625 - Monday, December 05, 2011 - linkThat's the technical term for it. Milking. Intel is doing it because they can. That's clearly what they're doing with the new atoms. They wont release the new atom because they know it will castrate their CULV chip sales. They know that all 99% of notebook users needs are met with pentium B950. If an atom even comes close to matching that in cpu and gpu performance, they're yoy revenues will go down. Cant let that happen. Of course its gonna happen anyway, but they can extend and pretend for quite a while. Reply
drbaltazar - Tuesday, December 06, 2011 - linkintel:they release a new idea say in 2010 ,then at their next evo they insanelly polish that idea!
amd work differently they dont die shrink as often as intel but they do polish their way more often then intel that is why at time amd look like its behind (any remember when 45 nm was released and then later they polished it to x6 wich is surprisingly good
only reason intel looks like it is ahead is because amd is using lot of futur stuff.(fma4,xop,the way the cache work isnt supported by w7 neither is a lot of other stuff made from amd fx,even when w8 is released a lot of stuff still wont be supported or plain mainstream.we ll have ways to test fma4 but average program optimise for it?unless ms optimise THEIR full program for the various toy amd made avail i dont see how it can happen ,as for intel fma3 is a long way in the futur,fma4 nobody knows.at 1080p 23 inch a bottleneck occur be it on intel or amd it is impossible for both proc to be so close they re within margin of error.so something is limiting(probably on the mobo side (they tend to be slow to adopt )or elsewhere.one thing is sure.i ve beeen using computer since the 80s and it never happen to be within the margin of error like this.lot of people are looking into this on both side of the fence(probably why fx sell so many darn proc ,often out of stock.one thing is sure this situation has to be found out before w8 release .one thing is sure a lot of people just upgraded smaller and will forgo this gen (fx)espacially with the x6 at 140 and the 980 at 90 on amd site.most will do a serious upgrade once they know why intel and amd are within margin of error in so many test! Reply
beginner99 - Tuesday, December 06, 2011 - link...why some people think this is an intel biased site. Of course the mentioned points make sense but why is Ivy bridge threatening SNB-E? Because SNB-E is a crippled E platform. only 2 Sata-3 ports? Seriously? and the total count of 6 sata ports is rather low too. I have a 1156 (lynnfield) and use 6 ports. I mean just a default ssd+ HDD + optical already uses half of the ports. Reply
JarredWalton - Tuesday, December 06, 2011 - linkOkay, I'll bite: what does any of that have to do with us being "Intel biased"? We list marketing (market segmentation as well) as a reason why IVB is quad-core and that makes us Intel biased? Hmmm.... Reply
name99 - Tuesday, December 06, 2011 - link" Thus, instead of hex-core, we get a chip that looks much the same as a year-old Sandy Bridge, only with improved efficiency and some other moderate tweaks to the design. Let's go through some of the elements that influence the design of a new processor, and when we're done we will have hopefully clarified why Ivy Bridge remains a quad-core solution."
The answer to this question is trivial. More cores solves a problem that almost no-one has --- and a few enthusiasts screaming that their usage models can easily work out 10 or 20 or 100 cores is not going to change that. It was fairly easy for dual core CPUs to provide real value to most users --- with modern OSs, there's enough background work of one sort or another that this frequently pays off. Quad core is a much harder sell.
In spite of Intel's work, Apple's GCD work, etc, highly threaded (or even slightly threaded) "core" apps remain rare. The main browsers make little use of more than two cores --- and the only reason they give two cores a workout is through the OS shunting graphics, OS work and some UI (all low CPU load) onto a second core. Launch apps is still too slow (anything where I have to wait is "too slow") but, as far as I know, dyload fixups are single threaded. iTunes (which yes, I know, is the crappiest "major app" in existence) resolutely uses only one core, even though parts of it appear to be multi-threaded.
Given this situation, dual core with hyperthreading is good enough for almost every user. And it's going to remain that way until the major browsers become more threaded, iTunes becomes more threaded, Intels supposed "run a separate thread to pre-warm caches" technology ever becomes real, etc etc.
This is a fact. I run Mathematica, so would consider myself a power user, and I'll be getting a hyperthreaded quadcore Ivy Bridge iMac next year, but I fully expect that 99% of the time it will have 2 threads or less active --- even Mathematica will only exercise eight threads for rare operations.
So it makes NO sense for Intel to spend effort on CPUs with more cores. Far more sensible is to concentrate on
- single threaded performance (tough, and you can't fault them for the work they have done so far)
- power usage (again tough, again they've been doing a really good job --- though one suspects there is room for a BIG.little strategy on their CPUs --- essentially the equivalent of turbo-ing down)
- special purpose hardware that can solve real problems. This is harder in their world than in the phone/tablet world because on phones/tablets one expects that only a single app will use this special hardware, that background apps will shut down, etc --- whatever is most convenient to get the feature to work. We have some of this with AES and QuickSync.
Even so --- if they had a low-power CPU on board that could run the background OS stuff, plus dedicated HW to play movies and music, would that help use cases like light web browsing or email while listening to music, or full screen movie viewing?
- I suspect there is scope for Intel to conserve power outside the CPU in RAM. One could imagine the memory controller (more or less in conjunction with the OS) being allowed to decide that only one (of two) or 1, 2, 3 (of 4) memory DIMMs really needed to be powered up, given the current active working set, and so shutting the other down.
The basic issue is --- expending transistors on what people can't use is foolish. People want
- single threaded performance
- low power
Spend transistors on THOSE. Reply
hardrock_ram - Tuesday, December 06, 2011 - linkThis of course makes perfect sense. Besides, if Intel adds more cores to their dekstop CPU`s, they have to add even more in their Xeon lineup. Many people, including myself, build workstations with Xeon and Opteron partly to get cores. We pay a premium that Intel will loose otherwise. Xeon obviously have advantages beyond cores, but people like me, who use them like a generic network node in 3D rendering (not critical) might be inclined to buy desktop counterparts if they would offer the same amount of "power".
Just my 100 dollars ... Reply
bigboxes - Tuesday, December 06, 2011 - linkI've been waiting until Ivy Bridge to upgrade my Nehalem processor. I really wanted to go to a hex-core processor, but wanted to do so with Ivy Bridge. Man, I wish AMD was more competitive with Intel as they are with nVidia. Reply
charleski - Tuesday, December 06, 2011 - linkEverything I see about IVB makes me think that this design is really targeted at laptops. Lower TDP and improved IGP make it very desirable for power-constrained situations, but doesn't really offer anything for the desktop.
The only non-mobile systems that would benefit at all would be HTPCs.
Laptops are, of course, a massive market that dwarfs the enthusiast power/speed-hungry segment, so I can't blame Intel for this, especially when SNB will be trouncing AMD for performance for the foreseeable future. But I think it's clear that if you're building a desktop there's very little point waiting around for IVB since Intel isn't planning any major jumps in performance for this sector over the next 18 months. Reply
iollmann - Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - linkDesktops are dead, man! They just don't know it yet. Desktops are being disrupted by portables which are in turn being disrupted by post-PC devices. Once the economies of scale drop off, it is good bye big iron.
It's probably for the best. Too much power is being wasted in our global obsession with computing. There is no reason to have a 500W space heater under your desk when a new 35W machine is just as good. Reply
dealcorn - Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - linkPrior to convicting Intel of some sort of core deficiency at 22nm, it may be helpful to see what MIC brings to the table. Is MIC helpful in video trans-coding workloads, for example? Reply
Dribble - Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - linkThe IB quads look barely faster then the SB ones. The one reason for producing a hex core would be to give us SB owners a good reason to upgrade, and hence spend money on Intel products. Reply
Death666Angel - Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - linkAny idea how useful the IGP of IVB will be for desktop gamers? Will there finally be a reliable technology that will let us disable the dGPU in normal workloads or use the IGP for QuickSync....? Reply
Wolfpup - Thursday, January 05, 2012 - linkUgh. Enough for at least another core and some cache. At best that sits idle. At worst you're stuck with "switchable" graphics nonsense.
It does give AMD a better shot-if Intel's wasting that much die area, AMD can sell something with the same useful number of transistors for less, or pocket more money, or put more transistors towards useful work, etc.
I mean geez... 16PCIe lanes? All those transistors wasted on Intel video? I hate how they're trying to shove that down our throats.
Heck, my G74 notebook counts towards Intel's video sales figures, I suppose... Reply


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Jamie Whincup is far from out but nor is Ford Performance Racing as tyres were the topic of conversation leading into V8 Supercars return in this weekend's SKYCITY Triple Crown in Darwin.
A refreshed and revitalised Whincup was second in his Red Bull Racing Australia Holden in today's practice session to Kiwi flier Shane Van Gisbergen in the Tekno VIP Petfood's Holden. Holden Racing team's James Courtney was third.
With a reduced allocation of tyres in the NT Whincup, who has made his way back into fourth in the Championship, was braced for an interesting weekend as he continues his quest to catch Mark Winterbottom, his team-mate Craig Lowndes and Lockwood Racing's Fabian Coulthard.
Van Gisbergen has been a consistent performer until a self-confessed shocker in the last event in Perth. He won the first feature race of the year in Adelaide, had a strong home event in New Zealand with a race win and solid finishes elsewhere.
He sits sixth in the Championship.
"We struggled at Perth so we wanted to put our best foot forward here on the Friday. We didn't test between the rounds, so we really needed to get some confidence back in our car," he said.
The drivers had differing views on the fewer tyres available, some believing it will make for some great action in the warm conditions in the Territory. At the end of the day, many said, it's the same for everybody.
"The talk of the weekend is the tyres, we simply don't have enough, which is quite tough," he said.
"But we've got to deal with what we've got and Sunday is certainly going to be interesting for what people do with their tyre plan."
Whincup is one who is an advocate of more on-track action, claiming this weekend could see some interesting strategy and spectacular racing. For that reason he was a fan of a 'joker' set that teams could use at their discretion at any time.
"It should be good for the teams running down the back," he said of this weekend.
"Having a joker set is a good thing - if you get a late safety car, you can come in, bang on a new set of tyres and come flying through, crash into everyone and make some good TV."
Whincup said he felt more on top of his game than he has this year, feeling mentally refreshed from a hectic start to the season.
"For me personally, I just needed a recharge. I was pretty run down after Perth," he said.
"It's been a crazy start to the year, I don't know why in particular. But, pretty run down. I think it was just that three race meetings in four weeks and they were every second week. It was pretty full on."
And FPR? Winterbottom was thirteenth overall, David Reynolds in 16 and Chaz Mostert 23.
"I don't think we should get too excited," Whincup said. "They'll be there tomorrow."
Courtney has benefitted from a test day prior to this weekend and while he feels an improvement is looking for more in the coming events from the hallowed Holden Racing Team.
"Everyone's got their sad story about something that went wrong. I think there's still plenty left in it (the car)," Courtney said.
Coulthard was twelfth overall for the day, no doubt using older tyres and saving new rubber for the race weekend, starting with qualifying tomorrow morning. Lowndes was eleventh overall.
"I don't feel like I really know where we stack up with different people running softs and different people running hards," Coulthard said.
"Tomorrow when everyone's running hards we'll know where we stack up. In the last session we suffered with a couple of things which doesn't really give us a fair read about where we are."
Nissan Motorsport's Rick Kelly came home fourth in his Jack Daniel's Altima in the last session, after his three Nissan teammates all ended practice two in the top 10.
"All in all we seem to have a bit of strength, depending on what tyre we're on," Kelly said.
"I'm excited by that, we changed a few things in the car setup wise and ergonomically at the recent test day, and they seemed to work really well."
Russell Ingall made an appearance fifth in the Repair Management Australia Commodore, with Michael Caruso, both Volvos of Robert Dahlgren and Scott McLaughlin, Lowndes and Winterbottom all in the top 10 in practice three.
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Nokia has scrapped its smartphone software for Microsoft's supercharged mobile operating system. Now a world enamored by Apple's iPhone and Android handsets needs reason to care.
Microsoft is hoping that its alliance with the world's largest mobile phone maker will catapult Windows Phone 7 (WP7) from the rear of a smartphone market that Nokia tenuously rules with Symbian software.
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I'm going to have to read the old thread. There seems to be some good stuff in there.
Still waiting to crack into that Glenlivet 15...
Still loving Bowmore Legend for inexpensive stuff that's good. Still loving Lagavulin 16 for the sort of expensive stuff that's great. Drinking Dewar's right now (I know it's not single... Christmas present).
lots of good stuff in that thread, but a new one was overdue.
so, in. Still have 1/3 to 1/2 of my Ardbeg 10 (I like it a lot) and less of my Tamdhu 10 (not great, but smooth and cheap). Need to branch out in 2013.
Personal favorite for myself is still Macallan 18... and a big thanks to MAJOR METAL who introduced me to good Scotch off the bat.
+1 on both counts. I just finished bottles of both of those, and it's time to restock the cupboards!
I personally like the 15 better, and the quarter cask even better than that.
I am not really into the 10 (compared to other Islays), but Laphroaig 18 just rocks my world.
Our taste are very similar. But I must admit that Laphoig 18 is quickly becoming my new "measuring standard" over even the most excellent Lagivulln 16
For me, winter = Scotch. Right now I've got a bottle of standard Glenmorangie 12 year. Maybe for new year's I'll splurge on something a bit nicer. Something in the 18 year range, I'm thinking.
I don't expect anybody to remember me, but it's good to see that the folks who have posted in one of the first 5 threads I've looked at since I revisited TB, I recognize the screen names! My vote goes for The Glenlivet. I may be poor but I'll always dig this swill!
The missus got me a bottle of Benromach traditional for Christmas, a really nice NAS malt. Quite smokey for a Speysider.
As Benromach only restarted production about 12 or 13 years ago, everything they have is fairly fresh (they also have peaty varieties and the first fully certified organic malt, where everything, even the casks, have been specifically sourced). Oldest current production is only 10 yo.
They have sold some older malts, but they seem to have had a bit of a mixed response and were simply older stock from the last owners. Certainly a distillery to keep an eye on IMO.
Whisky shopping was fun, sadly there was no Laphroaig 18 or any Lagavulin.
I'm not complaining.
I don't know what it is, but I just can't seem to get into the Islay malts I have tried most of them, all different ages, but they just don't do anything for me except make me cringe. Makes me feel like I'm not able to enjoy the extent of what Scottland malts have to offer. The only one I can manage to find the flavor depths is the Ardbeg 10 and older.
Oh well, I guess their aren't for everyone!
Don't worry about it at all. Drink what you enjoy. That's what is so enticing about scotch - the range of flavors available.
Very nice! Highland Park 18 is really great.
I nearly bought the 25 instead of the 18, but I recalled reading something about it not being that great. Maybe it was in Murray's bible... I forgot.
^ Yup.
Jealous of the HP18!
Hopefully start earning reasonable money this year and be able to indulge a bit more!
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The Rider men's basketball team plays its final three home games of the season in the next 10 days, starting Thursday when the Broncs host the Peacocks of Saint Peter's University.
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The Broncs have won two of their last three games and seven of their last 11, including a 66-54 win at Saint Peter's on January 17. In that game, making his first collegiate start, junior Tommy Pereira compiled a career-high 17 points, making five three-pointers to lead Rider to victory in the National MAAC Game of the Week. The Broncs out-rebounded Saint Peter's 35-20 that night.
Saint Peter's was one of the original members of the MAAC (1981-82). The Peacocks have won three MAAC Championship Tournaments (2011, 1995, 1991) and finished runner-up four times (2006, 1999, 1989, 1982).
The Peacocks (8-16, 3-11 MAAC) defeated Siena on Sunday by 10 points, their second win in four games but also just their second win in their last 12 games. Saint Peter's also defeated Marist on January 31. Against Siena sophomore guard Desi Washington scored 24 points.
Saint Peter's is 3-8 away from its home Yanitelli Center this year, 0-6 in MAAC games on the road.
The Peacocks are led by Washington (14.5 ppg) and senior guard Yvon Raymond (10.3 points, 5.3 rebs).
The Broncs and Peacocks have met 52 times since the series began in 1942-43, with Rider winning 28, including the last four.
Rider (13-13, 8-6 MAAC) has won 12 of the last 15 meetings with Saint Peter's. Since joining the MAAC Rider is 23-14 against Saint Peter's. Rider beat SPU in the 2010 MAAC Tournament, the sixth time these two teams met in postseason play.
The Broncs continue to be led by senior Jonathon Thompson and juniors Anthony Myles and Daniel Stewart. The three combine for 36 points and 15.4 rebounds per game.
At half time 227 student-athletes will be honored for their high grade point averages as part of Academic Achievement Night.
Following the Valentine's Day game the Broncs return to Alumni Gym for a doubleheader with the women broadcast on ESPN3 Sunday afternoon, with the women hosting Loyola on National Girls and Women in Sports Day (1pm) and the men hosting Marist at 4pm.


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(CNSNews.com) – Iranian Foreign Minister Manuchehr Mottaki said his government no longer takes U.S Secretary of State Hillary Clinton seriously, equating her call for increased economic sanctions on Iran with "the failed policies of the Bush administration."
According to a BBC translation, Mottaki told reporters in the Ethiopian capital Addis Ababa on Sunday that Clinton's comments on Jan. 29 in London were part of a "tension-creating approach" being deployed by the White House.
"Mrs. Clinton's efforts to take America back to the failed policies of the Bush administration era will not benefit the people or the government of that country," Mottaki said.
He continued to criticize U.S. foreign policy, saying that Iran had withstood 30 years of U.S. hostility and would not take Secretary Clinton's statements seriously until Washington "clarified" its position.
"It has been three decades that the Islamic Republic of Iran has been facing the hostile approach of some American officials," he said. "Therefore, until the domestic prospect of the White House on Iran-U.S. relations is clarified, we do not take Mrs. Clinton's remarks seriously."
Clinton, speaking to reporters Jan. 29 in London, said that Iran's continued defiance of the international nuclear norms left "little choice" but to pursue more economic sanctions.
"Iran has provided a continuous stream of threats to intensify its violation of international nuclear norms," Clinton said. "Iran's approach leaves us with little choice than to work with our partners to apply greater pressure in the hope that it will cause Iran to reconsider its rejection of diplomatic efforts."
Mottaki dismissed Clinton's remarks.
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Fans of the Texas Tech-Texas A&M rivalry won't see the two schools facing off in any sport for the foreseeable future — and maybe even longer than that.
Texas Tech athletic director Kirby Hocutt said Monday that the Red Raiders won't schedule the Aggies in any sport unless the two schools commit to compete in every sport. That was the consensus among Texas Tech coaches, Hocutt said.
"We discussed it with all our head coaches," Hocutt said, "and that's something we as an athletic department and we as a group of coaches feel strongly about at this time."
Texas A&M will leave the Big 12 to join the Southeastern Conference in July.
Hocutt said he's had conversations with A&M athletic director Bill Byrne about future scheduling opportunities, but Hocutt doesn't see any Tech-A&M games happening "any time soon."
"Our football schedule is set for the next two years," Hocutt said. "We'll see if anything happens in the near future. But if down the road they're interested in having that conversation, we would be willing to engage in it as well."
Texas A&M women's basketball coach Gary Blair — a Tech alum — said Wednesday that he doesn't want to see the rivalry end. His Aggies were in town for the final time as a Big 12 rival last week.
"It doesn't have to be the last time," Blair said after A&M downed Tech 67-55. "If y'all want to play, we'll sign a contract tonight. Hopefully when the dust settles, the egos will be put aside and we can keep playing each other."
Texas Tech coach Kristy Curry responded, acknowledging that future meetings weren't likely to happen.
"I'll let my administration decide," Curry said Wednesday. "I'm sure that's going to be made as a collective decision across the university. I can tell you right now that I have no plans to play because that's the position I think Texas Tech is going to take on it right now."
The Lubbock Chamber of Commerce estimated in 2005 that approximately $12 million was spent in Lubbock businesses when Tech hosted A&M for a football game.
"Any time you lose those games it's unfortunate," Hocutt said. "And it's unfortunate that they're not going to be in our league as we move forward. But that's water under the bridge and if the rivalry can be resumed at some point in the future, then that would be considered at that time."
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The liability of players in their particular sporting fields has increasingly become prevalent in the minds of government, sport administrators, the medical and legal professions and the parents and players themselves.
This awareness has arisen for numerous reasons.
Due to the enormous volume of sport to which the community is being exposed through the varied levels of the media together with our aspirations towards a healthier lifestyle and longevity, participation in sports has increased. Accordingly, sports injury litigation has increased. A number of other factors may be advanced to explain the increase. Sport has become big business all over the world. A talent for sport may bring the lucky player fame and fortune. It is not surprising therefore, where such ambitions are frustrated by deliberately or carelessly inflicted injury to the player, thought will be given to seeking compensation for that injury in the courts of law.
Other factors are that litigation is on the increase as a means of dispute resolution and lawyers see sporting organisations better able to afford compensation to their players because they are more likely to carry insurance.
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- Moira C. DuxAffiliated withRosalind Franklin School of Medicine University of Maryland Medical Center/Baltimore VA
A deposition or actual trial testimony consists of two parts: the direct examination and the cross-examination. Direct examination precedes the cross-examination and involves testimony brought forth by the retaining attorney. Cross-examination occurs immediately after the direct examination and is carried out by the opposing attorney. The main purpose of cross-examination is to test the "reliability, accuracy and credibility" of witnesses' testimony produced during the direct examination. Questions posed during cross-examination typically fall into two categories: those intended to expose weaknesses or errors in the expert witnesses' data acquisition or interpretations, and those related to expose biases in the testimony. During cross-examination, expert witnesses are expected to give responsive answers. That is, they are to provide relevant answers, but the answers need not be those implicitly desired by the opposing attorney. The opposing attorney may use several ...
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Explorer, he was the only member of the Lewis and Clark Expedition to die during the expedition, and was the first United States soldier to die west of the Mississippi River. Floyd was born in Kentucky, and among the first to volunteer for service in the Corps of Discovery, as the Lewis and Clark expedition members called themselves. He was a cousin of the expedition's Sergeant Nathaniel Pryor, and was considered a "man of much merit" by Captain Clark, the expedition's leader. Sergeant Floyd was the expedition's quartermaster, and kept a daily record from which historians have used extensively. Floyd's diary shows that he judged land quality, soil conditions and other aspects of the land during the expedition. Floyd took ill on the evening of August 19, 1804, and died the next day at the age of 22, from what the expedition's leaders diagnosed as "bilious cholic." Medical historians have concluded that he really died from a ruptured appendix and its resulting peritonitis, judging from the classic symptoms that he displayed. Even if his medical condition had been correctly diagnosed, his condition was fatal and the best medical doctors of the day could not have saved him. Captain Clark recorded in his journal on August 20, 1804, "Sergeant Floyd much weaker and no better...no pulse and nothing will stay a moment in his stomach or bowels....Floyd died with a great deal of composure, before his death he said to me, 'I am going away. I want you to write me a letter.' We buried him on the top of the bluff. Half mile below is a small river to which we gave his name. He was buried with the Honors of War much lamented, a cedar post with the name 'Sergt. C. Floyd died here 20th of August 1804' was fixed at the head of his grave." Today, Floyd's grave is within the city limits of Sioux City, Iowa. Two years later, the expedition returned from reaching the Pacific Ocean, and found that animals had disturbed the grave. They restored the grave and replaced the fallen cedar marker of their comrade. In the years that followed, Floyd's bluff became a landmark for travelers going through the area. In 1857, the local citizens of Sioux City discovered that the Missouri River had eroded much of the grave, including the original cedar marker. The citizens restored both the grave and the marker, moving the grave back a further 600 feet from the river. His grave is now marked with a 100 foot obelisk of white sandstone, dedicated on May 30, 1901. In 1960, the grave and the land around it was made the first National Historic Landmark, and is part of a 23 acre park.
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I started Jensen Ackles Central with my friend Mirella back in August 2003. In September 2005, Jensen Ackles Central merged with Bamboo's JensenAckles.org to form Jensen Ackles Fans and later Senga from JensenAckles.de joined our forces to make this site the biggest, most comprehensive multi language site about Jensen Ackles. As you know, JAF offered the latest news in 4 languages: English, French, German and Japanese. All of that was done by devoted fans alone, without any revenue other than what was used solely to pay for the site's hosting fees.
I am very proud of what we've accomplished with this site, and very grateful for all the help we've had over the years from some of the wonderful friends we've made. We have put so much of ourselves into this project, the time and efforts we spent doing that is insane. Yet, I no longer have the time or energy to keep this site going and I feel it is time for me to move on to other things in my life. Since I don't have anyone I know and trust to take over for me, and as much as it pains me to say so, I have decided to stop updating this site completely and close it.
I want to thank our team: Bamboo, Senga and Aurelia who's always been at my side, and I want to thank everyone who has helped us in any way and who have been great friends to us and most of all to all our visitors, you're the reason we kept going for so long.
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Reading about nits and head lice will make you scratch, so here's everything you need to know about head lice and nits. Itch, Itch.
How to treat head lice
Before you begin any treatment, make sure any heads you treat are infested with head lice – otherwise do not treat them.
The two preferred treatment options for treating head lice are the 'conditioner and comb' method (outlined above, with more detail here) and the use of an insecticide (Vic Health). [17] Head lice breathe through small openings along their abdomens called spiracles. Coating the hair with something thick and slimy causes these openings to close over and shuts down the louse's breathing. A simple hair conditioner is recommended for this purpose. Although this application of thick and slimy substance does not kill the louse, it slows them down so that they can be easily caught by the head lice comb. You will need to use the conditioner and comb method every second day until no live lice have been found for 10 days. [18]
If you choose to use an insecticide product, look for one that carries an Australian Registered or Listed number. Read the directions on any product carefully. All products can cause reactions, so if you are unsure, check with your pharmacist or doctor.
Care should be taken when using these products:
- If you are pregnant or breastfeeding
- In children less than 12 months old
- In people who have allergies, open wounds on the scalp, or asthma.
In its 2007 review of head lice treatments, CHOICE magazine made the following observations:
"There are two types of treatments used to kill head lice and some eggs, based on their active ingredients.
Insecticides: Organophosphates (such as maldison or malathion), pyrethrins and synthetic pyrethroids (such as permethrin and bioallethrin).
Herbal: Various combinations of essential oils (commonly tea tree, melaleuca; eucalyptus; and lavender oils) and herbal extracts, with or without natural (as opposed to synthetic) pyrethrins, such as pyrethrum.
Herbal treatments are increasingly popular but, unlike insecticidal products, most haven't been clinically tested or independently assessed for effectiveness or safety.
The conditioner and comb method is an effective way to detect and remove head lice and nits, but it's time consuming."
NSW Health advises against using natural products like tea tree oil as treatment for head lice. It also recommends that you do not use insecticides, methylated spirits or kerosene on your child's head. [19]
Ensure that you wash the pillowslip from the child's bed on hot cycle or place in clothes dryer. Head lice combs can be cleaned in water hotter than 60°C. As head lice only live for a short time off the head, no other extra cleaning is necessary. [20]
There is an array of different lice combs available. Combs with long, rounded, stainless steel teeth, positioned very close together, are the most effective. [21]
The Australian Medical Association has warned that treating head lice may become tougher as the lice become increasingly resistant to chemical treatments. But, according to the University of Sydney's Department of Medical Entomology, "there is little evidence for the presence of resistance in Australia, and inadequate treatment and opportunities for reinfestation should first be considered as an explanation."
Nitbusters programs are becoming increasingly popular. This involves a one-day program where every child in the school community is checked for head lice by volunteers, with follow up information on treatment options.
A Yale paediatrician has also developed a non-toxic nit shampoo that makes the nits visible under ultraviolet lights, apparently making for easier, more effective removal. The shampoo contains a non-toxic fluorescent dye that binds to the outer shells of the nits, or eggs causing the nits to glow brightly on the hairshaft when viewed under ultraviolet light. This isn't really a treatment, but a disclosing agent that helps parents find nits and lice so they can be easily and thoroughly removed. It is not currently available to purchase in Australia.
In February 2014, scientists from Belgium published the results of a study which looked at the efficacy of different substances used in the removal of nits (eggs) from the hair shaft.
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Day 2: City tour in Addis Ababa. Addis Ababa is the third highest capital of the world on an altitude of 2300-2500 m. with a pleasant climate and a background of green with eucalyptus trees covered mountains. The city is founded in 1886 by Emperor Menelik II and Queen Taitu. Visit Entoto Mountains, with very nice view over the capital, the National/Ethnographic museum, St George church and the Merkato, biggest open air market in Africa. Overnight stay in Reliance Hotel Apartment.
Day 3: Drive to Dorze via Butajira road. The Dorze are Omotic language family. They are famous for constructing distinguished beehive shaped huts, terrace cultivation and the best weaving work of Ethiopia. Overnight stays in Dorze lodge.
Day 4: Boat trip on Lake Chamo and drive to Konso. Make a boat trip a boat trip on Lake Chamo where the longest and fattest crocodiles of Africa take a sunbath on the shores. Hippo's hide themselves under the water and you will also see a good range of birds including; weavers, sunbirds, waxbills and colonies of pelicans. Late in the afternoon drive to Konso 90 km asphalt road. The Konso are famous for their "Waga's", wooden grave monuments, which are erected on the compounds of Konso chiefs to honor their ancestors. Overnight stay in Kanta Lodge.
Day 5: Drive to Turmi via Tshemay and Arebore. Via a passageway through the hot Weyto Valley you drive to Turmi in the centre of the Hammer area. Overnight stay in Buska or Turmi Lodge.
Day 6: Excursion to Omorate. Visit the Dassench, so called Geleb peoples, who live on the banks of Omo River. Cross the river by wooden boat to visit their villages. Overnight stay in Buska or Turmi Lodge.
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I am making a cake tonight for my nephew's 4th birthday. It will be circus themed…and a clown was requested. I made the mousseline last night, but added double the vanilla that I wanted to (I was distracted for a few minutes and forgot that I added it). Now, the mousseline is not bad, just very vanilla flavored.
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The New York Times' Brian Stelter is reporting on Wednesday that the news network Al Jazeera is in the final steps of taking over the progressive cable news network Current TV. Current, founded by former Vice President Al Gore and his partners in 2005, has never been able to secure a large audience. "If the deal is completed, Current will provide the pan-Arab news giant with something it has sought for years: a pathway into American living rooms," Stelter reports.
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In what could be regarded as a combination of old and new – mostly new – the name given to Yarmouth's latest running event is a play on words of a song that was first a big hit nearly 50 years ago.
The song – initially popularized by the Crystals in the early 1960s (and a hit for Shaun Cassidy in the '70s) – was Da Doo Ron Ron.
Bobby Lou Reardon, spokesperson for Yarmouth's inaugural Do-Run-Run Run – to be held Sunday, Nov. 25 – says they were "just playing around with names" when the song title came up.
The event, which will offer runners the option of doing either a 5-K or a 10-K (i.e. one or two laps of a five-kilometre course), will start and finish at the new Yarmouth Consolidated Memorial High School on Forest Street.
The event is a fundraiser for the school's Night of Praise, an annual initiative "recognizing and inspiring student excellence."
Runners can register in advance of Sunday's event at Runner's Attic or they can do so on the morning of the event, between 8 and 8:45.
The run is scheduled to start at 9 a.m.
From the new high school, the runners will turn left onto Forest Street and go to Haley Road, where it's another left. The runners proceed to Parade Street, where they turn left again and run to Pleasant Street. They then run along Pleasant as far as Argyle Street, take another left and make their way along Argyle to Haley Road, then back to Forest Street and the finish at the high school.
The runners can make it a 10-K by covering the course twice.
The entry fee is $15 for adults, $10 for students.
Reardon says she would like to see plenty of people take part in the event.
"I'm hoping to get a pretty good turnout," she said. As for the timing of the event, she added, "I didn't want to wait until December because it would be too close to the Turkey Run (which is held on Boxing Day) and then the other option was to wait until the spring, but I sort of wanted it to get it going (now)."
The list of Yarmouth-area running events has grown quite a bit over the past few years.
Reardon hopes the area's runners will embrace this new addition to that list. She hopes former YCMHS students in particular will come out, given the cause.
"Certainly we've got alumni living here, people who went to Yarmouth high," she said.


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Hyatt Place Dallas/Las Colinas
5455 Green Park Drive
Irving, Texas, USA, 75038
Tel: +1 972 550 7400
Our Comfortable Hotel in Las Colinas/Irving, TX
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Hyatt Place Dallas Las Colinas is located only eight miles from DFW Airport and eleven miles from Love Field Airport in the heart of the Las Colinas technology corridor. We are home to many Fortune 500 companies including Microsoft, Abbott Laboratories and State Farm Insurance and we offer a short drive to the night life of Dallas and the family friendly events in Grapevine.
For your convenience we offer a complimentary shuttle to and from DFW Airport. Our shuttle service is also available to local shopping, dining and area attractions within a five mile radius between the hours of 7am-10pm. Located within five miles of our Irving hotel you will find the Irving Convention Center, Irving Arts Center and the Mustangs of Las Colinas, the largest equestrian sculpture in the world and over 2,000 area business's.
Hyatt Place Las Colinas offers 1,586 square feet of meeting space, sure to accommodate your next office meeting, rehearsal dinner, or social event. We have a variety of catering and audio visual equipment for your convenience and will help you organize even the smallest detail to make your event a success.
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