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Buyer's Guide: High End System - May 2004by Wesley Fink on 5/26/2004 11:00 AM EST
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MadAd - Monday, May 31, 2004 - linkI just wish you guys would do a 'dream' system, money NO object - us geeks like to dream, even if we cant afford fibre raided flash drives and $2000 sound setups ..... it only has to be like once every 3 months or so, just for drooling rights - awww go on :) Reply
Ma10n3 - Monday, May 31, 2004 - linkThis comment thread seems to be pretty dead now, but I thought I'd just tack this on...
Maybe there should be a high-end gaming system and a high-end everything-but-gaming system.
A lot of newer game engines are SMP capable though, so the two may become one in the near future. Reply
qquizz - Saturday, May 29, 2004 - linkGLARING ERROR ALLOWED TO STAND:
As noted days ago in this forum, I can't believe Anandtech has allowed this error not to be changed yet in this sentence in the storage section of the article:
"Those concerned about data security more than ultimate speed can configure the drives as RAID 0, or mirroring."
Ma10n3 - Saturday, May 29, 2004 - linkI wish I could just edit one of the posts above... Anyway, it doesn't really make a whole lot of sense that the Iwill doesn't support DDR400 though because the memory controller is on the processor die. ???
But, if the manufacturer doesn't claim it supports it, than it seems reasonable to go with a manufacturer that does. After all, when you're spending this much money on a system, compatibility becomes very important! Reply
Ma10n3 - Saturday, May 29, 2004 - linkUh, scratch the Iwill board. It only supports up to DDR333!
Looks like the TYAN Thunder K8W is about the only choice. Reply
Ma10n3 - Saturday, May 29, 2004 - linkRoostercrows, another motherboard that supports all the features listed above is the Iwill DK8X.
Can't seem to find any others... Reply
Ma10n3 - Saturday, May 29, 2004 - link#52, If you are considering a dual-opteron setup, than I should also let you know that the only mobo I could find that uses the NUMA (microsoft.com has quite a bit of info on NUMA) configuration and has AGP8X, PCI-X, and legacy PCI is the TYAN Thunder K8W. If anyone knows of any others that have all these features, please post the info. Reply
roostercrows - Saturday, May 29, 2004 - link#50, Yes, I did read all the posts including #39
and I didn't mean to imply that you used the term best "bang for the buck". sorry if I gave that impression.
I'm building a new computer and have the dual raptor hard drives and one maxtor 200 GB, power supply from PC power & cooling, video card X800, monitor (not my white wall #51 but that was funny), case is a coolermaster stacker, I'm trying to decide which processor and mobo to use and this was the first I had heard of possibly using a dual opteron and it sounds interesting as cadcam use is part of my goal but I need to learn a lot more. Thanks for your opinion since the WinXP64 is what I'm building the system for. Reply
Neekotin - Friday, May 28, 2004 - linkyo guys, it just hit me. this is a high-end sys... why not get a white wall and good projector, imagine your monitor as the entire wall. ;) Reply
Ma10n3 - Friday, May 28, 2004 - link#49, Did you take a look at the article listed in post #39?
Oh, and I at least never claimed a dual-processor system gives you more "bang for the buck." I do believe it gives you quite a bit more mileage out of the hardware you purchase considering the direction Windows is heading (referring to Windows XP 64-bit edition, of course). Also, the benefit of doubling the memory bandwidth as well once WinXP64 is released (because of NUMA support) should increase performance in all applications, 32 or 64 bit. The legacy PCI bus is a severe bottleneck to all connected peripherals largely due to the fact that they all have to share the same bandwidth. Most of the newer dual-processor boards offer alternatives to just a single legacy PCI bus because of the chipsets they use and features of the AMD Opteron cpus.
Considering all of the above, I don't believe an Intel dual-processor system contains enough worthwhile features to justify the purchase.
Again, as far as the hard numbers, please refer to the URL listed in post #39. Reply
roostercrows - Friday, May 28, 2004 - linkThe article was excellent, thank you Wesley, and considering all the informed comments it received I'm not alone in looking forward to reading more of them. Not to add yet another category to what must already be a lot of work for you guys but is there somewhere I could see the entire dual processor systems that have been suggested by some advanced members, after they are built and running of course, including performance/prices and why they feel they have assembled a better "bang for the buck" high-end system? Reply
roostercrows - Friday, May 28, 2004 - linkReply
Sparkywonderchicken - Friday, May 28, 2004 - linkSorry I hit send too fast. I have heard many complaints about DVD-R burning from these units. Reply
Ma10n3 - Friday, May 28, 2004 - linkI agree with #44--A high-end system and an overclocking rig should not be classified as the same.
Sparkywonderchicken - Friday, May 28, 2004 - linkDon't you mean NuTech DDW-082?? for the DVD?? Reply
bigtoe33 - Friday, May 28, 2004 - linkOverclocking is mainly about what boards and cpu's will do the high fsb's, also what is the most bang per buck as overclockers mainly buy cheap and clock up to gain the speed.
I would expect Wesley will show some 300+fsb action on A64 as well as the cheap 2.4a prescott running 180fsb+....these are things you will find on an overclocking rig and not a high end ;-) Reply
azndelite6983 - Friday, May 28, 2004 - linkThanks for the response, Wesley. I appreciate that you guys do these guides at all, considering the monumental task of trying to keep up with new hardware.
What I don't quite understand is that any high-end system would be a terrific overclocking possibility, and although u supposedly have a different guide for that, it might be nice to see some suggestions on oc settings for the high-end system as well as possible mods (cooling mostly). I'm not sure I see the necessity of having an "overclocking system" when the parts remain very close to the high-end system. Also the fact that anyone willing to spend anywhere close to $5000 on a computer should really know what they are doing, but may want some advice on how to get the most out of their already quick setup. Reply
markz - Friday, May 28, 2004 - linkI agree with #40.
That is all. Reply
Ma10n3 - Friday, May 28, 2004 - linkTo correct what I said in #39, more games support SMP now than I had previously thought...
Link for FAQ:
Murst - Friday, May 28, 2004 - linkWesley & Evan,
First of all, thanks for the guides (this is my favorite part of anandtech and its probably the reason why I've been visiting this site more than any other lately). I do have some reccomendations, however.
It seems to me that your definitions of low/mid/high are rather difficult to understand. It actually kind of reminds me of intel's new naming policy. Why use words that don't really mean anything when you can give numbers which are descriptive? Here is an exmaple of what I'm thinking (my goal is clarity).
Old name: New name:
entry-level System for under $800
mid-range System for under $1500
high-range System for under $2500
.......... System for under $4000
I think this would make your goals in these articles much more clear, as people would understand exactly what goes into making the decisions. Also, my numbers may not be accurate, as I don't have much experience with pricing systems.
Overall, good work on this article, and I do believe that it is much closer to what "I" believe is a high-end system as compared to the last article.
I'll be looking forward to the next system reccomendations, especially to what 939 will bring. Reply
Ma10n3 - Friday, May 28, 2004 - link#37-
Other than encoding, which is the only area the Intel camp has a lead on the AMD64 chips, a Pentium 4 3.4GHz Extreme Edition is outpaced by the FX-53. How then can you make claims the Xeons would be better? For dual systems, no matter which camp you get your processors from, a single processor-based system of the same type is faster in most of today's games because they don't support dual-processing. Now, the latest and new generations of games are, so purchasing a dual-board with only a single CPU may be an option. However, the Xeons still only have a 533MHz FSB, so memory bandwidth is severely limited with the Xeons in comparison with an AMD FX or Opteron system.
For some numbers to back this up, check this URL out:
Good riddance, Xeon. Reply
TrogdorJW - Friday, May 28, 2004 - link#37, I think you're completely wrong on a few points. First of all, the *only* area where Athlon 64/FX don't easily compete (and often beat) Intel is in the encoding benchmarks. News flash: games DO NOT do any video or audio encoding. Secondary news flash: encoding/decoding is one area that benefits tremendously from native 64-bit integers. Hyper Threading? It's okay, but 64-bit is more important in encoding. (Look up some 64-bit benchmarks if you don't believe me.)
SSE support? Well, Intel is probably better, but SSE support is still not the be-all, end-all of technologies. (And the 64/FX is a lot better than the old Athlon XP at SSE, partly because it supports SSE2.) Hand-coded SSE is fast, but a lot of people don't bother with hand coding anything. All 64-bit compilers give you 64-bit integer support, but not all 32-bit compilers can generate decent SSE/SSE2 code (if they generate any SSE at all).
R420 vs. 6800 is an interesting debate, but the X800 Pro is available NOW while the 6800 - ANY 6800! - is still unavailable. As the article pointed out, this battle is not yet decided, but for now the only available cards are the X800 Pros. SM3 may or may not be important - especially considering that some of the games coming out with SM3 patches (Far Cry) are currently running 95% of their effects in SM1. SM2 can do 95% of the stuff that SM3 can do, so SM2 patches might be a better plan.
Finally, two 3 GHz Xeons might indeed be cheaper than an Athlon FX-53 or a P4EE, but they are only good for SMP capable programs. Encoding would be faster, 3D rendering in programs like Lightwave and 3D Studio would be faster, but gaming would be markedly slower. Either the FX is a great choice for gaming, or a dual-Xeon (or dual-Opteron) would be a great choice for professional work. But you can't criticize the choice of the FX for "future gaming performance" and then whine about the lack of SMP two paragraphs later. Reply
T8000 - Thursday, May 27, 2004 - linkWith this system, you build something for a future that may never come, because the Athlon FX is build to make todays games run faster, but for tomorrows games it may well be a lame duck, because of its lack of raw encoding power, that could be very important to make games look better, while todays games do not gain much on a fast CPU yet.
Furthermore, the R420 graphics adaptor may have to run in compatibility mode as soon as next month, when the first patches for PS 3.0 become available.
Also, fast harddisks are hardly used in real world situations, except for heavy duty encoding, where the chosen CPU lags behind because of its lack of HT and its meager SSE support.
So I would suggest to wait for the Geforce 6800, because of its (usable) better feature set and I think that dual Xeons will make for a much faster real world experience in about any task, while two 3 Ghz units are less expensive than a single 2,4 Ghz Athlon FX and mainboards are available in the same price range as well. Reply
tmhartsr - Thursday, May 27, 2004 - linkSUPERB! High End should be High End and you finally got there. But I still believe that High End should also include 15K RPM SCSI 320 on a fast buss MOBO and that mid-range should include 10K SATA? Drive performance dramatically effects the noticable quickness of a PC and is much over looked by most folks!
Terry Sr Reply
Wesley Fink - Thursday, May 27, 2004 - link#33 -
That is why we also have Buying Guides for Entry Level and Mid-Range systems. Yes, at 2.4GHz the FX 53 is faster than a 3400+ at 2.2GHz. It is both a higher clock speed and a Dual-Channel memory processor.
For every complaint that our High End is too expensive, I have 10 complaining that we haven't spent enough for a high-end system. Value is ALWAYS a real concern at AnandTech, both in reviews and in all our guides. As I stated in the review, performance is my first concern here - within reason.
You should look at Evan's Entry and Mid-Range Guides for your $500-$1000 budget suggestion. Reply
Wesley Fink - Thursday, May 27, 2004 - link#33 -
That is why we also have Buying Guides for Entry Level and Mid-Range systems. Yes, at 2.4GHz the FX 53 is faster than a 3400+ at 2.2GHz. It is both a higher clock speed and a Dual-Channel memory processor.
For every complaint that our High End is too expensive, I have 10 complaining that we haven't spent enough for a high-end system. Value is ALWAYS a real concern at AnandTech, both in reviews and in all our guides. As I stated in the review, performance is my first concern here - within reason.
You should look at Evan's Entry and Mid-Range Guides for your $500-$1000 budget suggestion. Reply
snipy - Thursday, May 27, 2004 - linkIt seems that we are having issues with the definition of a "High End" system. Of course, everyone is entitled to their own opinions. Wesley, you have made an overall excellent technical article but what I think people have been getting at is: "How can we use this?"
When you define High-End as "the best performance that you can buy for a given need," it fails to take into account some issues.
As you briefly touched upon in your article, for every increase in performance, you spend significantly more... eventually you have diminishing returns, as putting in $100's yields a tiny percentage of performance gain.
(But when you allow for $5000 in spending you will confirm again and again to our great surprise that the most expensive parts will indeed yield the best performance).
When I come to AnandTech.com, I come for two things: technical information, and judgment calls from very experienced and knowledgeable people.
What I want is YOUR judgment call. Should I pay hundreds more for an A64FX when there are A64s (or P4's, or AthlonXPs, etc etc) that are so close in performance? Would you be able to easily justify such a cost? Where on the price/performance curve should we target?
There are no easy answers to these questions. These questions are tough to answer. I definitely appreciate that you are trying to give solid, fact-based advice that is hard to dispute. But that is not why people read guides.
The thing is: if you can't/won't answer these questions, how can people who have a fraction of your experience be able to? So what I want is for you to go out on a branch and say "I think this is the best point on the price to performance graph, therefore this product is best."
What I think would help you focus is to tackle the problem they way a buyer does: Allot a budget. What I mean by this is: "I want the best [gaming, workstation, etc] system I can get for [$500, $650, $800, $950, $1100, and so on]."
Why make increments so small? Well, I think the toughest buying decisions are in range of 500-1000. To get the most out of their systems, people need to know where to spend the money.
I know that working under the constrained budgets will make these guides HUGELY helpful. When people set out to buy computer parts (or most things for that matter), they typically work out what they can spend first, and THEN go to buy the best they can get. Reply
snipy - Thursday, May 27, 2004 - linkIt seems that we are having issues with the definition of a "High End" system. Of course, everyone is entitled to their own opinions. Wesley, you have made an overall excellent technical article but what I think people have been getting at is: "How can we use this?"
When you define High-End as "the best performance that you can buy for a given need," it fails to take into account some issues.
As you briefly touched upon in your article, for every increase in performance, you spend significantly more... eventually you have diminishing returns, as putting in $100's yields a tiny percentage of performance gain.
(But when you allow for $5000 in spending you will confirm again and again to our great surprise that the most expensive parts will indeed yield the best performance).
When I come to AnandTech.com, I come for two things: technical information, and judgment calls from very experienced and knowledgeable people.
What I want is YOUR judgment call. Should I pay hundreds more for an A64FX when there are A64s (or P4's, or AthlonXPs, etc etc) that are so close in performance? Would you be able to easily justify such a cost? Where on the price/performance curve should we target?
There are no easy answers to these questions. These questions are tough to answer. I definitely appreciate that you are trying to give solid, fact-based advice that is hard to dispute. But that is not why people read guides.
The thing is: if you can't/won't answer these questions, how can people who have a fraction of your experience be able to? So what I want is for you to go out on a branch and say "I think this is the best point on the price to performance graph, therefore this product is best."
What I think would help you focus is to tackle the problem they way a buyer does: Allot a budget. What I mean by this is: "I want the best [gaming, workstation, etc] system I can get for [$500, $650, $800, $950, $1100, and so on]."
Why make increments so close? Well, I think the toughest buying decisions are in range of 500-1000. To get the most out of their systems, people need to know where to spend the money.
I know that working under the constrained budgets will make these guides HUGELY helpful. When people set out to buy computer parts (or most things for that matter), they typically work out what they can spend first, and THEN go to buy the best they can get. Reply
Wesley Fink - Thursday, May 27, 2004 - link#30 - I have not ignored the Stacker at all, and I'm also impressed with the Stacker design. I did consider it, but it is pretty industrial-looking and better suited for the Overclocking System in my estimation than for the High End System. Overclockers tend to hang on to cases and move a lot of hardware through a case so the ATX/BTX makes a lot of sense in that situation.
What I'm saying is I would buy a stacker for myself, but I would more likely recommend the elegant Praetorian or maybe even the slick blue-lighted Wave for a High End system.
To be frank, I am reworking the audio and speaker sections for the next Guide, it is just the Guide is huge and I decided to delay a rework of those sections until the next installment. There will also be further updates to the Monitor section. Reply
azndelite6983 - Thursday, May 27, 2004 - linkI have to say I enjoy reading the System Guides as a way to stay on top of the top performaing hardware, but I find that some of the really new stuff is overlooked and future technologies are sometimes ignored, which could result in buying a $3000 system that will be outdated in months.
I also cannot see how you can leave out the Klipsch Promedia Ultra 5.1's in your audio systems. At a price less than half of the GigaWorks, they offer top end performance greater than any existing logitech system and have available SWS sub daisy-chaining.
On a similar note, you have ignored the availability of the first BTX compatible case, the CoolerMaster Stacker, which is not only a fantastic and well built ATX case, but can be reconfigured into the BTX format for later use.
Also Dell's 19" lcd has a lower 16ms response time and has IQ much higher than most others, while not breaking the bank at about $800. Reply
Modal - Thursday, May 27, 2004 - linkRE #25:
I just built a system with two 74GB raptors in RAID 0, and I can tell you that they are, surprisingly, not that loud. I'm using a Thermaltake 480W PSU with a fan speed controller; when I have it cranked, I can't hear my hard drives at all. When I have the PSU fan turned down, I can hear them a little, little bit, but its nothing like a 'jet engine.' Reply
KenRico - Thursday, May 27, 2004 - link#23 and #24 make good points on structure and the $5k target.
If the Display Speaker and KB&Mouse are removed it gives alot more latitude in the System Components with the $5k ceiling.
The FX53 is going up +$66 dollars 06/01 a little bird told me. Hopefully the Opteron 150 will remain the same as it is showing at $600ish Reply
Ma10n3 - Thursday, May 27, 2004 - linkOh, I forgot to clarify something...
The reason I said AMD was the obvious choice is that the only motherboards available now with support for AGP 8X, PCI-X, and legacy 32-bit PCI currently only support AMD64. Why? Intel doesn't seem to want us to have it all just yet. AMD's chipsets gives us the technology, now.
Disclaimer: I used to be a die-hard Intel fan, then after doing a little research I found out that AMD is by far the technology leader for the x86, and not just because of the AMD64 chips.
I guess I couldn't stay off my kick for long... Reply
Ma10n3 - Thursday, May 27, 2004 - linkI have to agree with #23. There are a lot of possibilities with a $5,000 limit, and a lot of biases toward certain brands among the readers (Intel or AMD).
So, since AMD is the obvious choice for the "Uber" system, what about throwing in an Adaptec 2810SA Hardware RAID controller and setup 8 74/36GB Raptors as one RAID 5 array using hot-swappable bays. Of course, you're going to need a serious case for this as well.
Noise? You can't be concerned with noise when it comes to the "Uber" system. Maybe some sound-dampening measures could be taken, but other than that... Besides, could you imagine the sound of 8 10K RPM raptors all churning together? POWER. SPEED. PERFORMANCE. That's the only mantra for the "Uber" system.
Alright, I'll get off my kick for now... Reply
Frallan - Thursday, May 27, 2004 - linkI love reading your guides I don't always agree on choises but that is not the point is it? Just getting a thought through well argumented article to read in an area where I myself have alot ideas and thoughts is very valueble. So therefore Thx for these guids. (Btw #21 pls read up b4 starting to shout your head off).
Now to the issues:
1. Re: the overclocking guide (where I really have an interest) Pls. incl. a top performer kit - means not only the best OC in terms of how OC-able but also a maximum performance OCed kit.
2. Re: The choise of the 10.000 rpm HD:s I have not have the guts to get these drives yet since I have to be in the same room as the box. Just how loud are they in this system? (2*10.000 rpm makes my Jet-enging warning alarm to go off.)
Thx and keep up the good work - you have picked up the slack where other hardware sites have deterioated the last year :). Reply
Mackintire - Thursday, May 27, 2004 - linkGreat job on the guide, I really disagreed on Evan's previous choices. You definately are at least in the ballpark. What confuses me is the $5000 limit. If its a $5000 limit you could do alot more, that would be the only gray area I saw. .............................................otherwise Great Job! Reply
TrogdorJW - Thursday, May 27, 2004 - linkWelcome to the System Guide section, Wesley. Now you, too, can get lambasted every time you put together an article by people like #21. No complaints from me, though: I understand that there are always choices to be made. However, that said, I really doubt many people will really consider buying a $3000 PC. The $2000 high-end systems of the past were at least potentially affordable. Please try not to go much higher (despite the $5000 "limit").
Overall, I really like the recommendations with some explanation of other alternatives. It almost seems like we should have four "high-end" system recommendations, though. One for those where money is no concern, a second for those where money is somewhat a concern, and then double that with AMD systems and Intel systems. (There are people out there that will *never* buy AMD and others that will *never* buy Intel.) So we could get an Athlon FX-53/Dual Opteron 250 system, an Athlon 64 3400+ system, an Intel P4EE/Dual Xeon system, and an Intel P4C/P4E system (depending on how things develop in the future).
Not sure how feasible this is, but it seems like you really only need to list CPU, motherboard, and RAM for the four separate configurations. The remaining components could remain as they are, with two recommendations on each item (the "uber" component, and the "good" component).
And finally, I complained about this on other guides, and the high-end guide certainly deserves this complaint as well: why is there no alternate case/PSU recommendation? Surely the Coolermaster with Antec Truepower 430W isn't the only possibility. I would like to see something more silent as a perhaps more expensive option. A case supporing 120mm fans and/or a fanless PSU might be a nice addition.
Overall, though, great job. It's nice to see things mixed up a little after Evan Lieb's choices. Just don't get too set on the choices each month - maybe you two should alternate on the system guides each month? :) Reply
VagrantZero - Thursday, May 27, 2004 - linkThe X800Pro has been shipping for a few weaks now [not in mass quantity but if you want it you can buy it]. It's the XT and 6800U that still hasn't debuted. Reply
KenRico - Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - linkAnandtech Rocks...but these guides still don't.
Another gentleman already posted but I agree that the OPTERON 148 is a better price/perfomer for the high end. About $20 more than AMD 64 3400+ with Dual Channel action ready to go.
So kind of the guide author to post a video card that is not shipping yet either.
I waded through all the RAM links of "Best Pricing" and the Corsairs specified in the quide are linked below.
I learn nothing from the guides. They specify High End but still look for "value" in onboard NIC ect...then don't post price performance for CPU.
Do we really need a guide to show us an Expensive Processor and Video Adapter?
Where are the benchmarks on this dream system? With no OS quoted this is a collection of parts. Reply
IsThatTheTime - Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - linkI agree with the 200Gb Seagate option, contrary to what was said earlier, they are blisteringly fast compared to their 160Gb and below versions. See Toms Hardware. I just bought four of them for two PCs.
Couldn't agree more about the Coolermaster Praetorian, I've two and the solid build quality is breathtaking.....just change all the fans for SilenX one's for a quiet life.
I think a good high end system should have a totally quiet profile too and would suggest the new "Etasis" 0DB! Fanless! PSU (300W) using heatpipe cooling. Totally awesome! and totally quiet. Luxury low environmental noise should come with a luxury £2000 PC. Reply
Pumpkinierre - Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - linkAt first, I was shocked at your choice of FX53 as a cpu because this is the last of the Sckt940 FX and upgradeability to later FXs would not be possible. Upgrade ability is not one of your criteria but it certainly is mine as I expect an expensive mobo to span two generations of cpus, video cards and even memory. But really Skt940 is more trustworthy (and possibly cheaper) than even 939 as other posts point out because it is the server cpu-opteron. So the mobo might handle the dual core opterons next year. After this revelation I thought the FX51 might cut a few dollars but your price list has it $20 MORE than its bigger brother! AMD go figure?!
The FX is still a rip-off and the new Skt 939 3800+ looks like its got a lot of grunt, according to the french article below, but runs hot (104Watts, 50-60C) and this is 130nm- Prescott anyone?:
They only found 0-5% increase with dual channel for same speed cpu and it had problems with four dimms- dropped to 2T timing or to DDR333 with DS modules. And the price may be expensive with AMDs habit of selective release from the high end like previous a64s:
With the Skt478 P4 you're limited as an upgrade to P4EEs coming down in price unless 3.6 N'wood or Prescott skt478 appears (which is hardly worth while anyway)- neither of which is likely.
So the Sckt940 is not a bad option. If only those FXs would drop into the $500 range.
SHO235V8 - Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - linkI agree that there seems to be a huge spread, but I also assume it will be adjusted in the next mid level guide. I too have been waiting for the 939 boards, but I may not wait much longer considering VagrantZero's points regarding new M/B technologies and DDR2 which will be commonplace by the time I upgrade in a year or two. Besides, there are sometimes issues with the first release version of new technologies. Anyone else know of a better reason to hold off for the new boards? Will dual channel memory be that much faster? Reply
Dismal - Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - linkI was a little scared at first that the non-FX Athlon 64's would be completely forgotten about when opening the guide. But I was glad to see some mentioning in there. Hopefully they will still stay in the guides. I want good performance but I just can't spend the kind of cash to buy an FX. Recommendations in the mid-range guide don't seem to fit the kind of performance I'm looking for either. (I agree with rdclark's post above about the gap between mid-range and high-end). I don't think I'm savvy enough to go with overclocking. The price of the Athlon 64 3400+ seemed to be a good match for me. Hopefully they'll still remain in the guides. Reply
JKing76 - Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - linkAluminum cases don't dissipate heat any faster than steel. Reply
Locutus4657 - Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - linkWell I have to say, you did finally remove one of my biggest bet peives with these guides. I never could understand why Evan kept recommending 120GB drives for a high end system, Personally I'm considering getting 160GB for my system, and right now I just have an entry level computer ( AXP 2200+ ). One can never have enough hard drive space! Reply
GokieKS - Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - linkGreat choices, and it's nice to finally have a truly good case being recommend. But since there's still such a big part of the $5K budget remaining, why not something even more high-end, like the SilverStone SST-TJ03 Nimiz? ;)
The 193P is an excellent monitor, no doubt, but as one of the 19" LCDs limited by a 1280x1024 resolution, the extra $150 or $200 of the Viewsonic VP201 is definitely worth it. And if you have two of them... ^^
Other than that, just about everything seems fine, even if I personally would go for the A64 3200/3400 instead of the FX53, and pair it up with a nForce3 250Gb mobo.
~KS Reply
Da3dalus - Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - linkSeems like good choices. The only thing I'd choose differently would be the case and the alternative 200GB HD, I'd choose the S-ATA version of that instead of the IDE version. The price difference is really tiny and S-ATA is just plain nicer (I hate those big IDE cables). Reply
rdclark - Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - linkI'd like to see some performance benchmarking of these systems, especially as this high-end guide's system costs a cool thousand more than the previous high-end guide's. How much of a difference is there, or are you just buying expensive bragging rights?
The new guide also leaves a fairly large gap between the mid-range and the high-end system; the mid-range is still suggesting an XP2800+, while this jumps right to the highest of the high-end. That removes a valuable basis for comparision (and decision-making) in the Athlon 64 3xxx space, which (IMO) seriously lowers the value of these guides.
cosmotic - Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - linkWhy not reccomend the DDW-082 instead of the DDW-081? Reply
VagrantZero - Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - linkI wouldn't rec you getting 2gb of ram. There's nothing [aka games] out there that uses it, not even D3 or HL2. I doubt 2gigs will really become a good thing until U3 [2006] and by then DDR2 should be coming into its own making your DDR obsolete. I'd say save $300 and get a 3400+/3700+. From x86's article [foreign website, here's the translated url http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F...] the 754 3400+ was outperforming the 939 3500+ in the majority of benchs. I'll wait and see how the 3700 handles the 3800, but if it wins I'm sticking with the old socket [I'd have to upgrade my mobo eventually anyways thanks to PCI-E, SATA300, and DDR2 so 939 isn't anymore future proof for me than 754]. Plus there was talk of 104W power requirments [THAT'S MORE THAN THE PRESCOTT!] and that the new socket chips ran almost as hot as intel offerings. It's just one article so take it with a grain of salt, but I have my suspicions.
Also, if you don't plan to OC Corsair XMSPC3500s would be a great pick. Reply
ghoti - Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - linkThanks for these Guides! I sure appreciate them.
I'm about to build my first system.
Anyone know when the MSI K8N Socket 754 MB (mentioned in the Guide) will be available?
Also, assuming I get the MSI K8N, I plan to use the AMD 64 3200, and would like to put in 2GB(?) memory. Considering possible FUTURE use (in a dual channel application), I guess I'd get a PAIR of 1024's. In checking the MSI memory compatability table, I don't see anything I recognize. Do I need to worry about that? Can I just go ahead and get one of the highly-reviewed brands/ types (e.g., Mushkin Pro). I don't plan to OC, but considering possible FUTURE use in/ with some other MB/ processor, does it make sense to get a higher speed than PC3200?
Thanks for the input. Reply
hifisoftware - Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - linkGood to hear about the changes, hopefuly giuides will even be better with more time dedicated to them.
Great review, nice choices.
I would choose few componenets differently though:
1. Secondary choice for the HD. Samsung seems to be faster then Segate in real world benches (From xbitlabs testing). Segate is one of the worst performing brands in their tsting.
2. DVD I like NEC DVD writer more since it cost about the same (+/- few $), but there is a hack to convert it to double layer version.
Still a great guide, lots of usefull info. Cool Reply
Ma10n3 - Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - linkFor a total budget of $5,000 or less, why not opt for a mobo that can support two Opteron 250s, but only purchase one initially. The TYAN Thunder K8W supports AGP 8x/Pro, has 4 PCI-X slots (hardware RAID anybody?), and a legacy 32-bit/33MHz PCI slot. Also, the onboard gigabit ethernet chip is connected to the PCI-X bus... absolutely no bottlenecks there. And when the Windows 64-bit Home edition comes out you can slap in the second processor and 4 more DIMMS and effectively double your memory bandwidth, due to the NUMA support in Windows 64.
My point is, if you're going to invest so much in a high-end system, why not make it as future-proof as possible by leaving open extreme expandability paths.
PCI-X rulez. Reply
Zebo - Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - linkMy bad wesley I was comparing the $404 Opteron 148 (2.2) to the $728 FX 51 (2.2). However I'm building this system with the $210 Opteron 144;) and hope to get the FX53 speeds for 1/4 the price....
Wesley Fink - Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - link#2 - The same speed Opteron is the 150 at 2.4GHz. It is a bit cheaper at $620 but it is hardly half the price. It is also multiplier locked where the FX is completely unlocked. If overclcoking is not important to you, then the Opteron 150 and 3200 Registered memory would be a good choice and save about $150 total.
Your point about the Saphire Radeon 9800 PRO is well taken, and I have changed the Alternate to the 256-bit model, which I did find on Pricewatch for $192 shipped. Reply
Zebo - Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - link#1 I agree or go for one of LG/Philips's 20" 16ms IPS LCD branded by Dell, Viewsonic, NEC, amoung others. At around $700-$1200 it's pretty competitive. Reply
Azmedaj - Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - linkTypo on the storage page: "Those concerned about data security more than ultimate speed can configure the drives as RAID 0, or mirroring", it Should be Raid 1 Reply
Zebo - Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - linkOpteron is half the price as FX and is the same but for top locked multiplier, but with that ram recommedation you can OC with ease, if that's a concern.
Also 128MB Saphire Radeon 9800 PRO for $175 shipped is the 128bit verison aka LE, I would get the 256 for $209 shipped.
JGF - Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - linkI like everything except for the CRT monitor. I would swap the samsung out for a 21" mitsubishi diamond pro 2070 or the equivalent NEC model the FP2141SB. Reply


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Armed with copies of past audits, Cabot Clerk-Treasurer Marva Verkler went before a committee of city council members Tuesday night and tried to convince them that the 2006 audit that has been called the worst in the citys history was not her fault.
Beside Verkler sat former Alder-man Odis Waymack, who had tried unsuccessfully in August 2004 to give her back the financial duties the council stripped from her more than a year earlier. Waymack voted to give Verklers duties to a finance director but later became her ally in what amounted to a cold war between her office and the office of former Mayor Stubby Stumbaugh.
Waymack attended the meeting to talk to the committee about how Verkler had been shut out of financial matters and was therefore not to blame for the bad report.
But with only two committee members present for the meeting, the battle that Verkler had prepared for did not materialize. Eddie Cook, committee chairman, even appeared sympathetic about her problems, especially the friction between her office and the mayors, which included the finance director.
I screamed. I hollered. I did everything I knew to do and no one would listen. People were banned from talking to me, Verkler said of the time when she did not oversee city finances.
Youve got the best excuse I know for everything that has happened in the past years, Cook said.
The budget committee learned last month that the city books for 2006 were so out of balance that the state auditor was unable to verify them.
Verkler, who got her duties back when Eddie Joe Williams became mayor in January 2007, accepts no responsibility for any bad marks against the city books while she was not in charge. She also told Cook and Alderman Becky Lemaster that the 2007 audit would likely not be as good as previous years when she was in control because she is only now solving problems.
Walker, who was laid off about six months after Williams took office, is suing Williams for job discrimination. Walker filed in federal court Feb. 15. His motion to appoint counsel was denied the next week, so he will represent himself before Judge William R. Wilson, Jr.
Williams received his notification of the lawsuit by certified mail Friday.
There is no allegation that money is missing, only that the books are incomprehensible.
These are some of the findings of the 2006 audit: The city converted to a new accounting system in July 2006. The beginning general fund account balances reported in the new accounting system were different from the ending balances reported in the previous accounting system, and these differences in the financial records were not reconciled.
Also, the General Fund financial records omitted cash and investments in the amounts of $82,112 and $205,863, respectively, receipts and disbursements in the amounts of $301,699 and $278,064, respectively, due to the failure of the city to record investment and loan activity.
The other funds in the aggregate financial records contained misstatements for cash and investments in the amounts of $19,528 and $30,379, respectively, primarily due to the lack of record-keeping for investments.
The other funds in the aggregate financial records also contained misstatements for receipts and disbursements in the amounts of $220,807 and $2,164,236, respectively, due to the city not recording receipt and disbursement activity in the debt service construction funds.
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posted on 10/17/12 by MyWonderfulLife.com Staff
Three reasons why you should care about planning and sharing your final wishes
"Do not fear death so much, but rather the inadequate life." – Bertolt Brecht
Why spend time planning for it when you won't be around to see it?
That's the question I get most often when talking about My Wonderful Life and the importance of planning your own final celebration.
Far from a selfish "last gasp" of control or an egotistical expression of bloated pride, a funeral or other act of remembrance sets the tone for a person's legacy and gives mourners an opportunity to grieve together.
Here are my top three reasons why you should care about planning and sharing your final wishes
1) For all but your closest friends and family, your funeral or memorial service will dominate your legacy.
How many times have you been to a funeral and thought: "wow, they would have HATED this – I sure hope my funeral isn't this bad!" No matter how energetic and unique you may have been in life, a run-of-the-mill memorial has the power to make your legacy forgettable. If funerals are meant for the living and not the dead, then you're doing the living a disservice by making them endure a boring funeral.
2) Your loved ones will be busy with a hundred other details – make the memorial easier for them by planning it your way.
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Storify: STORIFY: Inland Empire reacts to Chick-fil-A debate
Videos: Supporters of free speech swarm to Redlands Chick-fil-A | Supporters line-up outside Chick-fil-A in Upland | Hundreds support Chick-fil-A in Rancho Cucamonga on August 1
Photo gallery: Redlands Chick-fil-A visited by a lot of supporters | People swarm to Chick-fil-A in Rancho Cucamonga
REDLANDS - Hundreds of Chick-fil-A customers flocked to the fast food chain's store at Citrus Plaza in Redlands Wednesday to show support for the company that has come under fire for its stance against gay rights.
By 11 a.m., the line outside of the restaurant was out the door, and its drive-through was filled to capacity, with cars spilling into the parking lot.
By noon, there were so many people waiting to dine in that a Chick-fil-A employee had to ask customers to move the line to another side of the building because it was blocking the drive-through.
Sam Trout, of Redlands, spent several hours at the establishment people watching, and showed his support by dining in.
He said the crowd started to get so big that he left his seat inside the restaurant to continue watching from outside.
"Cars were lined up onto the street at the drive-through and it (was) only half past 10 in the morning. (And) the walk-in crowd has doubled as I waited for my order, " he said. "It's encouraging to see my local community pulling together to make their voice heard. I hope politicians hear what is quietly and peacefully being said today.
"This is America at its finest and a good day in Redlands."
Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, a Baptist minister, declared Wednesday "Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day" after the company received calls for boycott from gay rights groups after its president, Dan Cathy, told the Baptist Press last month that the Atlanta-based company was "guilty as charged" for backing "the biblical definition of a family."
Many at the Redlands location Wednesday were responding to Huckabee's call for support.
"(Cathy) is being discriminated against for his views, and they're trying to shut him up. But it's not working," said Tom Barnes, of Colton. "We're very pleased (with the turnout)."
Janet Edmonds, of Yucaipa, had never been to Chick-fil-A before, but picked Wednesday to see what all the "fuss" was about.
"I'm thinking, why can't they have their own opinion? They have their ideas, others have their ideas. To protest what they see as family values through the eyes of their Bible, I say, what's wrong with that?" she said.
Abe Rodriguez traveled from Rialto to show his opposition to gay marriage.
"Two percent of the population is trying to change the country, and we have to let them know that it's not going to happen," he said.
Rochelle Baucom, of Redlands, said it was a shame that the company saw so much backlash after Cathy's comment was made.
"It's unfortunate that we cannot just give an opinion (without) people coming down on (someone) so hard, because there is free speech, theoretically," she said. "I don't hate homosexuals. I have some friends who are homosexuals (and) I'm not against them. I may not agree with their practice, but they might not agree with me either."
Baucom added that she, along with her husband, were planning to make several trips there throughout the day.
Visiting from Tennessee, Danny Melton made time out of his busy schedule receiving proton treatment from Loma Linda University Medical Center to lunch at Chick-fil-A.
He said it was good to see so many good Christian people out to show their support.
"We think homosexuals are sending the wrong message," he said.
Shannon Seheult, of Redlands, was in charge of picking up lunch for her office of 16. She said the office picked Chick-fil-A because they support Cathy's message, and that she was brought up with the views of traditional marriage.
"I think it's cool that so many people have come out to support them," she said. "I didn't do (this) to shove it in anyone's faces. I love people who are gay. My sister is a lesbian. But I just personally believe that marriage is for a man and a woman."
Along with the boycott, opponents of Cathy's stance have planned "Kiss Mor Chiks" for Friday, asking people of the same sex to show up at Chick-fil-A locations and kiss each other.
University of Redlands Chaplain John Walsh made the decision not to dine at Chick-fil-A several years ago, when he discovered the company was not for equal marriage rights.
"It's a personal decision for me that I made after a company blatantly, almost in my face, let me know that they do not support equal rights," he said. "It's been public knowledge for quite some time that Chick-fil-A is an organization that does not believe in equal rights for everyone. Conservative groups organizing some kind of statement (on Wednesday) does not lessen the fact that Chick-fil-A is an organization that is bigoted against gay rights."
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Smell Like "Private Jets, Superyachts, Diamonds And Roulette" With Kate Walsh's Billionaire Boyfriend
Want to smell like Dom Pérignon and diamond grills? Well, I have the perfect fragrance for you —Kate Walsh's Billionaire Boyfriend.
Billionaire Boyfriend was released on Friday is the second in Walsh's Boyfriend perfume line. The line is almost a take-down of the whole celebrity fragrance trend, except that you can actually buy the fragrances at both Sephora and on the Home Shopping Network. Apparently, Walsh plans to add a new fragrance to the line every Valentine's Day.
The original Boyfriend fragrance was released last year and, as Walsh now explains, was inspired by a split with a significant other.
"My boyfriend and I broke up and it was, 'Oh, I miss him. I miss that scent.' You couldn't find that," Walsh explains to USA Today.
As promotional materials for the line's original fragrance read, "She inhales his shirt, taking in the scent of the man she loves. It lingers on her clothes, her sheets, her hair — all over. Imprinted on her body and in her mind, it radiates within her, filling her with feelings of warmth and desire. Actress Kate Walsh wanted to capture the scent of a guy on a girl: a man's cologne mixed with perfume, the smell that lingers on the skin. This fragrance evokes memories of that time after he has left for the day — when she gently awakes in a bed that's still warmly redolent of 'boyfriend.'"
Walsh says that new addition Billionaire Boyfriend smells of black jasmine and golden amber.
"The idea was always luxe," Walsh tells People. "It's kind of a throwback to times when things were just sexy and romantic, and that fantasy of James Bond movies, Monte Carlo, driving down the coast in a sports car … la dolce vita."
I have to say that the promo video above starring the "Private Practice" star feels far more "Big Pimpin'" than that. Sephora's ads sound more on target, saying that the fragrance evokes "private jets, superyachts, diamonds and roulette."
HSN sold out on Day 1 of Boyfriend's initial launch. Now Walsh tells USA Today that she's thrilled her fragrance line has continued to sell well.
"That is hugely gratifying to me," she says, furthering that having the fragrance line helps keep her happy playing Dr. Addison Shepherd seven years later.
"Your mind starts to wander," she explains. "There's a reason actors start to produce other things. To keep yourself interested in one project, you have to branch out."
Billionaire Boyfriend costs $45 for a half ounce Eau de Parfum or $75 for a 1.7 ounce bottle.
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"Ratzinger Rules". The message, spray-painted in red on the war
memorial at Hyde Park overnight showed the Pope's historic visit to
Sydney has even touched vandals.
Police on patrol at Hyde Park about 12.10am discovered the graffiti, spray-painted on three seats along the eastern wall of the war memorial, City Central Chief Inspector Garth Smith said. It was initialled "SP", he said.
Pope Benedict XVI's birth name is Josef Ratzinger.
Also spray-painted, in green, was the message "God bless you diggers", he said. A third message read "Aussie Pommies Seppo's all allies in deed."
Asked whether police suspected World Youth Day pilgrims of the attack, Chief Inspector Smith said: "No, I'm not prepared to say ... we'll have a look at the CCTV footage and conduct further inquiries [to identify the culprits]."
It is believed the incident occurred between 11.35pm and 12.10am.
Despite the vandals' papal praise, police say the act is a criminal offence that shows a lack of respect for the war memorial.
NSW Police Commissioner Andrew Scipione said he had the report
from City Central patrol, who were are looking at CCTV footage.
Mr Scipione said it was "a very serious matter" and that it was extremely disrespectful.
The maximum penalty would be a fine. The offence would not come under World Youth Day legislation, he said.
The graffiti has now been removed. Mr Scipione said police would lift the level of patrols in the area in response to the incident.
Anyone who has information is asked to phone City Central Police on 9265 6499 or Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000.
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22nd Annual Spring Tree and Shrub Sale:
Order: Plant orders can be placed online or by mail until April 9. Mail order forms are available at Grand Rapids' Parks & Recrecation Department, 201 Market Ave S.W.
Pick up: Riverside West Park, 9 a.m. to 2 p.m. on Saturday, April 28.
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From now until April 9, greater Grand Rapids residents can do their part to green the landscape and increase urban tree cover by purchasing and planting goods at the 22nd Annual Spring Tree and Shrub Sale.
The fundraiser, which encourages people to purchase and plant native trees and shrubs by offering them at bargain prices, is a partnership between the City of Grand Rapids, Friends of Grand Rapids Parks, the city's Urban Forestry Committee and ReLeaf Michigan.
"The ReLeaf sale is a simple and inexpensive way to contribute to a greener Grand Rapids," said Dotti Clune, chair of the Urban Forestry Committee.
There are over 40 different species of trees and shrubs to choose from with prices ranging from $18 for lilac and hydrangea shrubs to $50 for specialty trees like Snow Fountain Cherry and Regal Prince Oak.
There is also the opportunity to support Grand Rapids Parks by choosing to donate a native tree or shrub to be planted in a community park.
Planting donated trees is part of the Friends of Grand Rapids Parks volunteer work conducted in early May, according to Steve Faber, Executive Director of the organization.
"We have no trouble finding homes for donated plants," he said.
Faber said the sale is one way to reach 40 percent urban forest canopy in Grand Rapids, a major goal of The Urban Forest Project.
"A bulk of the goal has to be reached by homeowners and private property owners within the city," he said.
Right now, downtown Grand Rapids has 4 to 6 percent tree cover according to Faber, while other areas of the city have reached or bypassed 40 percent tree cover.
The plant sale will also raise money for ReLeaf Michigan and its mission to "replant Michigan one tree at a time."
Melinda Jones, Executive Director of ReLeaf Michigan, said nearly all of the proceeds from the tree and shrub sale go to efforts such as plantings and educational programs. In the past, some of these efforts have targeted Grand Rapids.
"In 2012 we collaborated with Friends of Grand Rapids Parks through a grant we received from the Alliance of Community Trees to plant 36 trees in the Fuller/Hillcrest parks and the Grand Rapids bike park," Jones said. "Our volunteer-based community plantings are done on a 50-50 cost sharing basis, so the monies raised go towards covering our 50 percent of the cost plus staff time to facilitate the plantings."
Plant orders can be placed online or by mail until April 9. Mail order forms are available at Grand Rapids' Parks & Recrecation Department, 201 Market Ave SW. After the order is placed, plants can be picked up at Riverside West Park from 9 a.m. to 2 p.m. on Saturday, April 28. Anyone wishing to donate a plant for the community can include an extra plant on the order form and indicate which plant has been donated to a community park on pick-up day.
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Shelby Township, Utica
Voters will decide City Council, mayor, bond proposal
Posted October 23, 2013
In the Shelby-Utica News' coverage area, voters will vote on one unopposed, incumbent Utica mayor, three unopposed, incumbent Utica City Council candidates, and 20-30 percent of precincts 14 and 17 in Shelby Township will vote on a Romeo School District school bus bond proposal Nov. 5. Candidates were asked, in 150 words or fewer, to state the top items they would wish to accomplish if elected and how they would go about accomplishing them. If a candidate went over the word limit, ( … ) replaced the rest of their answer. (I) indicates the candidate is an incumbent. The answers are printed verbatim.
Utica Mayor
One candidate is running for one two-year term.
Jacqueline K. Noonan (I)
Age: 69
Occupation: Retired teacher, high school, all levels of French, Social Studies, Mayor/CEO
Municipality of residence: City of Utica, Michigan
For how long: 49 years
Education: National Honor Society graduate Rochester High School, Rochester, Michigan. 1961
Bachelor of Arts, Secondary Education, Summa Cum Laude, Oakland University, Rochester, Michigan. 1964
Master of Public Administration, Oakland University, Presidential Honors, Oakland University, Rochester, Michigan 1988
Previously held elected offices: City Council member, City of Utica. 1981 - 1985
Mayor, City of Utica, 1988 to present
Top goals: Keeping the City fiscally viable, providing excellent services such as police, fire, DPW, Library, and Parks and Rec as well as implementing a broad vision of continued progress toward a high quality of life are what I would hope to accomplish. To do so requires sound professional leadership, intense attention to the needs of our community, as well as a strong knowledge of local government resources that can be accessed as needed. The Mayor must supervise and direct all daily activities for all City departments, guide decision making, and assure Council, employees, and volunteers have the necessary information, training and equipment to do their jobs. For 26 years as Mayor, I have dedicated myself to realizing this goal in all aspects of my professional role.
Utica City Council
Three candidates are running for three four-year terms.
William G. Osladil (I)
Age: Not provided
Occupation: Retired
Municipality of residence: Utica
For how long: 47 Years
Education: Masters Degree
Previously held elected offices: Not provided
Top goals: Local municipalities in Michigan are all facing budget challenges due to lower revenue collection in recent years. Utica is not an exception to those challenges. It is my responsibility, as a member of Utica's City Council, to direct our resources toward our highest priorities. As a team, I will work with my fellow council members to bring about he highest level of city services, be it police, fire, DPW or administration. I will also support collaboration with neighboring communities, where appropriate, to achieve these ideals. My goal is to keep Utica a wonderful city in which to work and live.
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For how long: 26 years
Education: Bachelor of Arts in Business Administration, Wayne State University
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The estimated millage that will be levied to pay the proposed bonds in the first year is 0.07 mills ($0.07 per $1,000 of taxable value). The maximum number of years the proposed bonds may be outstanding, exclusive of refunding, is not more than ten (10) years; and the estimated simple average annual millage that will be required to retire the proposed bonds is 0.47 mills annually ($0.47 of $1,000 taxable value).
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The Cowboys may be America's Team, but Green Bay is known as Title Town. Every year Packer fans get excited about the upcoming season, and every year there are people who doubt they'll be able to do anything significant. However for the guys calling the shots it's still business as usual. General manager Ted Thompson has a philosophy that keeps him away from free agency and instead builds the team around young talent. Every year he gets as much as he possibly can out of the draft and expects McCarthy to mold the young guys into winners. It's a strategy that seems to have worked pretty good so far. The team has four straight winning season, four straight playoff appearances two NFC North titles and a Super Bowl ring. I don't care what any other team may have accomplished in that period, those are still impressive numbers.
The offense is only going to go as far as Aaron Rodgers takes it. He is clearly one of the elite quarterbacks in the league who is in the prime of his career. He has the arm strength, accuracy and mobility to make highlight reel plays anytime he's on the field. Yet his best asset, like any NFL QB, isn't his physical attributes but instead is his football IQ. McCarthy trusts Rodgers enough to let him make decisions at the line as he reads the defense and the offense excels because of it. However, defenses have started to challenge Rodgers by dropping back in a cover 2 and blanketing receivers. That and the other team grinding down the clock with their offense are two classic moves we saw teams use on Peyton in years past. The Pack needs the running game to step up just a little to help the passing game get even more deadly.
Thompson added two big guys at running back to help shore up the position; Lacy from Alabama and Franklin from UCLA. Lacy is a powerful runner who should instantly help the team in short yardage situations. Ultimately McCarthy would like to have a potent 1-2 punch in the backfield. Lacy is probably going to be one of those guys which only leaves one other spot. My money would be on DuJuan Harris stepping in to that role.
The wide receiver position in Green Bay is certainly a lot better than the backfield. Cobb will likely be the focal point of the passing game this year which should allow him to improve on his 80 catch season last year. He has great feet and awareness of where he is on the field, but he could catch the ball a little better.
Jennings is now in Minnesota and that means the two other threats on the outside will be Nelson and Jones. Jones led the league last season with 14 catches for touchdowns and he still has room for improvement. One thing he, and all the GB wideouts for that matter, have to work on is defeating bump and run coverage. In the past they have been thrown off their routes and lost their timing when cornerbacks are physical with them at the line of scrimmage.
Dom Capers had a defense last season that ranked slightly better than average. The Pacers ranked 11th in total defense and tied for 8th in interceptions. But that doesn't erase the feeling of getting smacked for 579 yards by the 49ers in the playoffs last year.
The defensive line will hopefully improve this season as young players like Neal and Worthy continue to develop. The stalwarts of the line; Raji and Pickett contine to get better. Raji is a worker who can penetrate and also hold position. Pickett is solid at end who has the potential to be immovable against the run. Both guys will need to get to the quarterback well and keep blockers off Matthews better if the defense is going to improve.
Matthews is the face of this defense and for good reason. He is a four-time Pro Bowler who managed to accumulate 16 sacks in only 14 games last season. He is equally effective against the run and leads the defense both on the field and in the locker room. Last year the team picked up Perry to play opposite Matthews. He was making the transition from college end to NFL linebacker but ended up missing most of the season due to wrist surgery. He comes into this season healthy and ready to produce. If Bishop returns to form, before his hamstring injury last preseason, this unit will see big improvement over last year. He is a hammer on defense with his ability to run through blockers and attack the middle of the field.
Thompson likes to keep his teams young and only pay for premium players at premium positions. It's a formula that usually has a lot of success in the modern salary cap era of the NFL. The one caveat is you have to be very good at spotting talent in the draft and developing young players, which the Pacers are. As long as Rodgers is there and Thompson is able to get young talent for that offense they will be contenders. If the defense steps up at anytime they are a threat to win the big game. One thing that has to make Pacers fans feel good is that for as good as they did last season, Packer starters missed a total of 93 games last season. Statistically it has been shown that injuries among teams don't have much consistency. Having a lot of injuries one year doesn't make you any more or less likely to have a lot next year. However, 93 is such a high number of games missed that the team has looked into training methods and how they handle injuries. If they can stay healthy, imagine how much more production they'll get.


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Thanks for this "heads up". I too have agreed to be interviewed by KT. If there is anything that smacks of a political agenda then I need to know it; and I will have absolutely nothing whatsoever to say as it will probably only open a can of worms.
Would you please be so kind as to offer us some specifics. On List would be fair game if the information is in the public domain. I expect that I am not the only one to agree to further contacts here and I am very upset now that I provided links to the DNA work I have done in relation to my First Nations heritage. I fear that my gesture to assist a fellow researcher may have the potential to backfire on me badly.
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> Ken, Malcolm, Ann and the list, such is serendipity. Ann recently posted a
> notice of Kimberly TallBear regarding her quest to interview people who used
> DNA to ascertain Native American heritage, Malcolm posted to the thread of
> people having different agendas and Ken responded to Malcolm. While being
> drawn in over my head about STD researchers, I did notice that, in
> conjunction, to the reference to Bolnick by Malcolm, there is also a
> connection to Kimberly TallBear. It seems that Ms TallBear has an agenda
> too. She presented papers at the same conference that Malcolm referenced.
> I had just made an appointment for an interview with Ms TallBear before
> connecting all the dots. Suffice it to say, I won't be stepping in to a
> "Beartrap".
> One more comment; just as a casual observer, I have become aware that this
> magic word "diversity" will ultimately suck us all into its maw and the
> implications of how one defines free speech is not lost on me.
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Dec 11, 2012 - StaffGale Gordon, of Riverton, died Thursday, Dec. 6, 2012, at Riverton Memorial Hospital. He was 92 years old.
Cremation has taken place, and there will be a memorial service in the summer.
Gale O'Dean Gordon was born March 9, 1920, in Stapleton, Neb., the son of Henry Francis and Sarah Ellen (Burnside) Gordon.
In 1924, he and his family moved from Nebraska to the Waltman/Hiland area and took up a homestead there. He attended school until the eighth grade while there.
His father died in 1932, so he and his mom moved to Lander, where he worked on many of the farms and ranches in the valley. He played guitar with many of the guys on Saturday nights at Milford and other hot spots around town.
He married his sweetheart, Rosalie Cornwell, on June 16, 1941, in Lander. They had three children: Gary, Kenny and Elizabeth.
He went to work for the Casper Dairy, living in Casper and Hudson. In November 1946, they moved to Sand Draw where he worked for Sinclair Oil and Gas until his retirement in March 1982.
In September 1982 they moved to Dubois, and they moved to Riverton in 2009.
His family said he loved to tinker with old cars, restoring what he could, going fishing, having a garden and hunting.
He is survived by his wife of 71 years, Rosalie, of Riverton; daughter Elizabeth Pryor and her husband Doug of Riverton; sons Kenneth Gordon and his wife Kathy of Riverton and Gary Gordon and his wife Linda of Lander; grandchildren DeAnna and David Western of Gig Harbor, Wash., Kelly and Rod Ruffing of Minot, N.D., Gary and Leslie Gordon of Kalispell, Mont., Michelle and Brian Duke of Beverly Hills, Fla., Amy Monrow of Riverton, Jennifer and Cory Sinclair of Beverly Hills, Fla., Kevin and Tina Gordon of Riverton, and Karmen Allen of Riverton; and stepchildren and 21 great-grandchildren.
He was preceded in death by his parents; a sister, Frances; and a brother, William Gordon.
Arrangements are under the direction of the Davis Funeral Home of Riverton. Online condolences may be left at www.thedavisfuneralhome.com.
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Flip Media, the region's leading, interactive marketing agency, announced today that they have been awarded an unprecedented total of four awards for various online creative campaigns, on behalf of their client Mercedes-Benz Middle East.
The Mercedes-Benz CLS - Class 'Reveal' campaign took first place in the 'Outstanding Microsite / Landing Page' category of the Web Marketing Association's 2005 Internet Advertising Competition (IAC) Awards, an annual competition designed to judge corporate websites against Internet standards and peer sites. In its seventh year, the competition has become the premier event for web developers and marketers each year. The microsite for the Mercedes-Benz CLS - Class also scooped a Gold award for the "Best Consumer Website (Service)' at the Summit Creative Awards 2005, one of the advertising industry's premier arbiters of creative excellence, judged by a global panel of senior advertising professionals. The 2004 International Automotive Advertising Awards (IAAA) awarded Flip Media a Bronze trophy for the Mercedes CLS - Class launch in the 'Interactive Media / Simple Banners' category. Based in Michigan, USA, the IAAA holds the cream of the automotive industry's key decision makers and marketing professionals on its executive judging committee.
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Every day, we hear so many numbers that we becorne numb to their significance except when the price of gas is reaching $4 a gallon. Hundreds of this, thousands of that, millions of people, cars or dollars. What does the number trillions mean, even when we think of the national debt?
Sobering picture
Farmers have started planting the spring crops and already, the small corn stalks are sprouting, row upon row upon row, sometimes as far as the eye can see, quickly growing to be taller than a man.
Instead of corn plants, imagine there is a man in place each stalk. In just one acre, an area about the size of a football field, there will be about 28,000 men. Picture, then, the size of two football fields just to represent the soldiers who died in the Vietnam Conflict.
How many more acres would it take to represent the number of soldiers who have lost their lives, the wounded and, not to be forgotten, the prisoners of war and those missing in action from World War I and II, Korea. And now, in recent years, we must add the losses of Iraq and Afghanistan.
More than numbers
The numbers are impressive, but military casualties are not just statistics and charts. We are talking about soldiers who have died for their country; individuals with faces, personalities and private lives who will never laugh again.
Even before their death, they made many sacrifices. Once names were signed on official papers, they left their families, their jobs, their peaceful world. They struggled through basic training with a large group of strangers and yelling sergeants.
The soldiers who went to combat usually endured terrible conditions, even worse than Army food. What had to be most difficult was separation from family and loved ones. What had to be terrifying was the fear of going into battle.
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The news media emphasize the number of killed as if that is the only measure of war. While we grieve for them, we must not forget that every soldier comes back from combat with some scars. There are so very many who return without hands, eyes, or limbs. They struggle for months, years and sometimes for the rest of their lives with pain and disability.
Their families suffer along side of them, emotionally and financially; the dreams of youth shattered.
Emotional burden
For some, the greatest affliction is the emotional burden they bear. There are the haunting memories of doing things no one should ever do, sights no one should ever have to see.
Happiness and a sense of security cannot be found again. The terrible anguish is locked inside, for they cannot escape the images of the horrors in war and losing their comrades.
Sadly, too, there are thousands so troubled they cannot resume their previous lives and end up fighting for survival, homeless on the streets. Those veterans who end their lives just to end the torment, have also died in the service of our country and should be fondly remembered.
Even when there are no injuries or death, deployments are very difficult, straining marriages and too often dividing families.
Pause to remember
Memorial Day is to honor those who have died for us, to preserve our liberty. As we remember them, let us not think of them not just as names on stone or numbers of statistics. Let us remember that each was an individual with a family who also made great sacrifices so that we are free to be here.
The decades march on. Memorial Days come and go, and with them, the parades and speeches. But let us never cease to honor all of our veterans.
The human cost of war is immeasurable but keep in mind the words of George Washington, "If we desire peace, it must be known that we are at all times ready for war."
Carry the flag
The flag for the United States of America represents many things, especially liberty. The flag can also remind us of those who have paid the price for our freedom. The stars for the soldiers who have died. The red for the blood of the wounded. The white for the sacrifices made by so many in so many ways. The blue for the tears of the families; the widows, the mothers, the fathers, the children, the brothers, the sisters, so many loved ones.
Long may it fly in appreciation, honor and glory.
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SACRAMENTO — To the delight of rail enthusiasts of all ages, the California State Railroad Museum debuted a new exhibit titled "Common Diversions: Toy Trains and Scale Model Railroads" on Nov 3.
While the items on special display will all be miniature in size, the goal of the exhibit is to clearly distinguish the big differences between scale models and toy trains, both of which have unique characteristics and avid collectors.
In addition to the Railroad Museum's popular "Small Wonders: The Magic of Toy Trains" exhibit and in contrast to the impressive collection of 21 full-size meticulously restored locomotives and cars on display throughout the Museum, visitors will soon have a unique opportunity to learn more about the decidedly smaller end of the spectrum. As guests will learn, the difference between model trains and toy trains has to do with scale.
"Model trains are built to scale with a specific size relationship between the model and its real life prototype," explained the late Thomas W. Sefton in a descriptive publication titled Sefton American Collections. "Toy trains, in contrast, are not made to scale. They are crafted with color and imagination rather than an attempt at perfect realism." (Mr. Sefton collected more than 7,000 toy trains during his lifetime; many are displayed at the Museum today in the "Small Wonders" exhibit.)
Toy trains are miniature versions of their bigger counterparts that were designed as toys for children. Today, many participants in this hobby are interested in building layouts or collecting treasured playthings. One popular line of accessories, "Plasticville," is a line of snap-together toys introduced the late 1940s and both an early village scene and a rural scene — complete with cars, people and animals — will be on display as part of the exhibit. Conversely, model railroad enthusiasts tend to be keenly focused on the accuracy of virtually all details of their models. Visitors will see and appreciate a selection of brass scale model locomotives and cars, showcased on mirrored pedestals that accentuate their jewel-like qualities and intricate details.
"Common Diversions: Toy Trains and Scale Model Railroads" will remain on special display in the Museum's Lobby Gallery through Sept. 14, 2012. For more information about "Common Diversions" visit californiastaterailroadmuseum.org or call (916) 445-6645.