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Avenue of the Volcanoes Independent Adventure
About Ecuador
From the outdoor playground of Baños to the bustling lanes of the Otavalo market, get an introduction to the culture, history, and spectacular scenery of Ecuador on this 6-day adventure. Venture along the "Avenue of the Volcanoes," checking each off your list: active (Cotopaxi), green (Cuicocha), water-filled (Quilotoa) and extinct (Cayambe). Because we have years of experience in Quito and an established operational office, we'll take care of the hassles – just focus on the highlights. And, with an expert CEO to lead the way and time for optional excursions, this adventure offers up a great combination of must-see highlights and free time to do your own thing.
What's Included
Overnight in an historic hacienda. Explore the Otavalo handicraft market. Visit the the Equator line and Quitsato Sundial. Visit a traditional leather town. Visit Cotopaxi National Park. Scenic drive along the "Avenue of the Volcanos." All transport between destinations and to/from included activities.
Be in awe of the majestic "Avenue of the Volcanoes", learn about Ecuador's eruptive geology, straddle both hemispheres on the Equator line, learn about traditional handicrafts and folk art from local artisans
Dossier Disclaimer
The information in this trip details document has been compiled with care and is provided in good faith. However it is subject to change, and does not form part of the contract between the client and the operator. The itinerary featured is correct at time of printing. It may differ slightly to the one in the brochure. Occasionally our itineraries change as we make improvements that stem from past travellers, comments and our own research. Sometimes it can be a small change like adding an extra meal along the itinerary. Sometimes the change may result in us altering the tour for the coming year. Ultimately, our goal is to provide you with the most rewarding experience. Please note that our brochure is usually released in November each year. If you have booked from the previous brochure you may find there have been some changes to the itinerary.
VERY IMPORTANT: Please ensure that you print a final copy of your Trip Details to review a couple of days prior to travel, in case there have been changes that affect your plans.
Itinerary Disclaimer
While it is our intention to adhere to the route described below, there is a certain amount of flexibility built into the itinerary and on occasion it may be necessary, or desirable to make alterations. The itinerary is brief, as we never know exactly where our journey will take us. Due to our style of travel and the regions we visit, travel can be unpredictable. The Trip Details document is a general guide to the tour and region and any mention of specific destinations or wildlife is by no means a guarantee that they will be visited or encountered. Aboard expedition trips visits to research stations depend on final permission.
Additionally, any travel times listed are approximations only and subject to vary due to local circumstances.
Important Notes
If you are arriving by flight on Day 1 of the tour (i.e. you are not being picked up from your Quito hotel on Day 1), the latest arrival flight time into Quito is 8:00am. Should you require a pre-night in Quito, please ask your sales CEO
Please note this tour travels to Banos. The Tungurahua volcano in the area around Banos is constantly active. G Adventures have operated countless tours to the Banos area over the years without incident. However, we are obligated to point out that travel to the area is at your own risk, to exercise caution when travelling in the area. Further, we urge you to check your insurance coverage with your insurance provider prior to travel to the Banos area.
Please note on this trip you may be the only passengers, or you may be pooled with other G travellers who have booked the same departure date. The group size though, will never exceed maximum 8 passengers. There also may be some passengers who only do the first 3-days, in which case, they will be transferred back to Quito on day 3
Group Leader Description
All G Adventures group trips are accompanied by one of our group leaders, also known as a CEO (Chief Experience Officer). The aim of the group leader is to take the hassle out of your travels and to help you have the best trip possible. They will provide information on the places you are travelling through, offer suggestions for things to do and see, recommend great local eating venues and introduce you to our local friends. While not being guides in the traditional sense you can expect them to have a broad general knowledge of the countries visited on the trip, including historical, cultural, religious and social aspects. We also use local guides where we think more specific knowledge will add to the enjoyment of the places we are visiting- we think it's the best of both worlds.
Group Size Notes
Max 8.
Eating is a big part of traveling. Travelling with G Adventures you experience the vast array of wonderful food that is available out in the world. Generally meals are not included in the trip price when there is a choice of eating options, to give you the maximum flexibility in deciding where, what and with whom to eat. It also gives you more budgeting flexibility, though generally food is cheap. Our groups tend to eat together to enable you to taste a larger variety of dishes and enjoy each other's company. There is no obligation to do this though. Your CEO will be able to suggest favourite restaurants during your trip. For all trips please refer to the meals included and budget information for included meals and meal budgets.
Private car/van, walking.
Solo Travellers
We believe single travellers should not have to pay more to travel so our group trips are designed for shared accommodation and do not involve a single supplement. Single travellers joining group trips are paired in twin or multi-share accommodation with someone of the same sex for the duration of the trip. Some of our Independent trips are designed differently and single travellers on these itineraries must pay the single trip price.
Comfort hotels (3 nts), historic hacienda (2 nts).
My Own Room
About Accommodation
On our Ecuador trip we use various different types of accommodations that are unique to the various environments experienced on this trip. From an historic hacienda in the highlands to grand city hotels, these are wonderful places to stay.
Joining Instructions
At the start of this tour, accommodation in Quito is not included in the price of your trip and can be arranged at the time of booking. If you have arranged your own accommodation in Quito please let us know at the time of booking where you will be staying. A G Adventures representative will contact you at your hotel in Quito and make sure you are settled comfortably. If you arrive late, s/he will leave you a message detailing what time and where you should meet your guide the next morning for the drive to Otavalo. If you are arriving by flight on Day 1 of the tour (i.e. you are not being picked up from your Quito hotel on Day 1), the latest arrival flight time into Quito is 8:00am.
Arrival Complications
We don't expect any problems, and nor should you, but if for any reason you are unable to commence your trip as scheduled, as soon as possible please contact your starting point hotel, requesting that you speak to or leave a message for your CEO (if you are not on a group tour please refer to the emergency contact details provided in this dossier). If you are unable to get in touch with your leader, please refer to our emergency contact details. If you have pre-booked an airport transfer and have not made contact with our representative within 30 minutes of clearing customs and immigration, we recommend that you make your own way to the Starting Point hotel, following the Joining Instructions. Please apply to your travel agent on your return for a refund of the transfer cost if this occurs.
Emergency Contact
Should you need to contact us during a situation of dire need, it is best to first call either the G Adventures Representative (if one is listed below) or our G Adventures Local Office. If for any reason you do not receive an immediate answer, please leave a detailed message and contact information, so they may return your call and assist you as soon as possible.
If you have purchased an arrival through G Adventures or if an arrival transfer is included in the cost of your tour, please note that:
Your arrival transfer has been arranged based on flight information provided to us. If you are advised of a flight schedule change within 48 hours of your scheduled arrival time, we will do our best to rearrange your arrival transfer however we cannot guarantee this. If your arrival transfer does not arrive within 30 minutes after you have exited the arrivals area please take a taxi to your start point hotel.
G Adventures Office Quito, Ecuador
During office hours (Weekdays 9am-6pm Local Time)
From outside Ecuador: +593 2250 6610
From within Ecuador: 022 506 610
After hours Emergency number
From outside Ecuador: +593 999 506 000
From within Ecuador: 0999 506 000
If you are unable for any reason to contact our local office, please call the numbers listed below, which will connect you directly with our 24 hour Sales team, who will happily assist you.
Toll-free, North America only: 1 888 800 4100
Calls from UK: 0344 272 0000
Calls from Germany: 0800 365 1000
Calls from Australia: 1 300 796 618
Calls from New Zealand: 0800 333 307
Outside North America, Australia, New Zealand, Germany and the UK: +1 416 260 0999
What to Take
Most people automatically assume that the weather is hot in South America, but because of the higher altitude in the Andes, the temperature can feel quite cold, especially at night. We recommend the use of a medium sized soft suitcase, duffel bag or backpack, whichever is easiest for you to carry. A good size daypack is also essential.
-Passport (with photocopies)
-Travel insurance (with photocopies)
-Airline tickets (with photocopies)
-Credit or debit card (see personal spending money)
-G Adventures vouchers, pre-departure information and trip details
-Any entry visas or vaccination certificates required
-Weather-appropriate clothing
-Fleece top
-Windproof/waterproof jacket
-Small towel and swim wear
-2 shirts/t-shirts
-Sun hat
-1 pair of shorts
-1 pairs of long trousers
-1 pair hiking pants/track pants
-Hiking boots/ sturdy walking shoes
-Sport sandals
-Watch or alarm clock
-First-aid kit (should contain lip salve, Aspirin, Band Aids, anti-histamine, Imodium or similar tablets for mild cases of diarrhea, re-hydration powder, extra prescription drugs you may be taking).
-Day pack
-Camera with extra memory cards and batteries
-Personal Entertainment
-Waterproof backpack cover
-Outlet adapter
-Insect Repellent
-Antibacterial wipes/gel
-Reusable water bottle
Laundry facilities are offered by some of our hotels for a charge. There will be times when you may want to or have to do your own laundry so we suggest you bring non-polluting/biodegradable soap.
All countries require a valid passport (with a minimum 6 months validity). Contact your local embassy, or consulate for the most up-to-date visa requirements, or see your travel agent. IT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO HAVE THE CORRECT TRAVEL DOCUMENTATION.
Spending Money
Every traveller is different and therefore spending money requirements will vary. Some travellers may drink more than others while other travellers like to purchase more souvenirs than most. Please consider your own spending habits when it comes to allowing for drinks, shopping and tipping. Please also remember the following specific recommendations when planning your trip.
Money Exchange
Credit cards and debit cards are very useful for cash advances. Visa cards are the most widely accepted cards. While ATMs are widely available some may not accept all international credit or debit cards. You may need to try at more than one machine if the first does not accept your card. You should also check with your bank before leaving to ensure that your card works internationally. You should be aware that to purchase products or services on a credit card a fee of 5%-10% usually applies. Do not rely on credit or debit cards as your only source of money. A combination of US dollar cash and cards is best. Always take more rather than less, as you don't want to spoil the trip by constantly feeling short of funds. Please bring USD banknotes in denominations smaller than 100, as they can be hard to exchange in Ecuador. 100 dollar bills of certain series (e.g. CB B2) can be especially hard to cash! CURRENCY EXCHANGE TIP: Please be advised that slightly torn notes, notes that have been heavily marked or are faded may be difficult to exchange. It is best to bring notes in fairly good condition, in denominations lower than $100 USD (or equivalent). As currency exchange rates can fluctuate often we ask that you refer to the following website for daily exchange rates: www.xe.com
Emergency Fund
Departure Tax
It is customary in Latin America to tip service providers such as waiters, at approximately 10%, depending on the service. Tipping is an expected – though not compulsory – component of your tour program and an expression of satisfaction with the persons who have assisted you on your tour. Although it may not be customary to you, it is of considerable significance to the people who will take care of you during your travels. There are several times during the trip where there is opportunity to tip the local guides or drivers we use. Recommendations for tipping drivers and local guides would range from $5-10 USD per day depending on the quality and length of the service; ask your CEO for specific recommendations based on the circumstances and culture.
Also at the end of each trip if you felt your Discovery Adventures CEO did an outstanding job, tipping is appreciated. The amount is entirely a personal preference, however as a guideline $20-25 USD per person, per week can be used.
Optional Activities
Quito (only possible if you book pre or post nights in Quito):
Quito City Tour
This tour of Quito is perfect for seeing fascinating panoramas, churches, and historical architecture of Quito. Learn about colonial art, culture, legends, and traditions.
Quito was designated by UNESCO as World Cultural Heritage Site. The trip takes about 3.5 hours including the visit to the lookout point of El Panecillo where you will find one of the best views of Quito.
Trip includes English speaking guide/driver and private transportation)
- Entrance fees for the churches and Panecillo are not included in the price and are approx $ 9 USD p/p.
- Price for 1 person : $ 50 USD – Price for 2+ persons : $40 USD
City Tour + Equator Line
(Combination of City tour and Middle of the World Tour)
After the scenic city tour of Quito (described above) we go to the Equator line museum . Here we visit the Inti Ñan local museum where you can see different experiments to prove that you are at the Centre of the Earth. On the 00°00'00" line at the museum, you will have the opportunity to interact with demonstrations of phenomena that occur in nature, and which can be tested on our magnetic equatorial line.
This trip takes about 5 hours in total and includes English speaking guide/driver and private transportation )
- Entrances fees for City Tour : $ 6 USD (Churches)
- Equator line fees : $ 6 USD (Museums)
- Price for 1 person : $ 60 USD – Price for 2+ persons : $45 USD
Mindo Cloud Forest – Full Day
Drive northwest for about 2 hours, enjoy the dramatic change of vegetation as we go down the andes to the cloudforest. Mindo is a tiny town set amidst some of the most beautiful and peaceful countryside in the entire country. It is a centre for both nature and adventure activities.
Go walking through the cloud forest and enjoy the peace and tranquility of the different waterfalls, take time to ride up the cable car with amazing views.
Time for lunch in a local restaurant (not included) and visit a butterfly farm where you will be able to see an array of colorful humming birds for which Mindo is renowned.
In the afternoon there is also the option of an organic chocolate tour which includes a demonstration of the chocolate-making process and of course tasting too!
This trip takes about 9 hours and can depart everyday at 07h00 am (trip includes English speaking guide/driver and private transportation )
Allow : $10 USD for lunch and $ 20 USD for entrance fees.
- Price for 1 person : $ 100 USD – Price for 2+ persons : $70 USD
Two hours drive to the east are the Termas de Papallacta. They are located on the Cinnamon trail, (65km from Quito) which is the same route that Francisco de Orellana took in 1542 when he crossed the Andean mountain range in search of spices and gold, and discovered the Amazon River.
Things to do:
a) Hot springs pools with different temperatures and sizes with views of the Antisana volcano 5750m.
b) Trekking up the river on marked path
c) Horseback rides – extra cost
d) Relax in the new spa recently inaugurated (spa services not Included in entrance fee cost.)
Important Note:
- Lunch not included however restaurant available onsite offering typical Ecuadorian meals with some international options.
- Return to Quito in the afternoon.
- This tour provides transport service only. Your driver will drop you off at the Hot Springs and wait for you when you are ready to leave.
- Full day tour
Tour Price: $100 USD – 1 Person
$50 USD per person for 2+ travellers
$7 USD Entrance fee per person
Please note inoculations may be required for the country visited. It is your responsibility to consult with your travel doctor for up to date medical travel information well before departure.
You should consult your doctor for up-to-date medical travel information well before departure. We recommend that you carry a First Aid kit and hand sanitizers / antibacterial wipes, as well as any personal medical requirements. Please be aware that quite often we are in remote areas and away from medical facilities, and for legal reasons our leaders are prohibited from administering any type of drug including headache tablets, antibiotics, etc. When selecting your trip please carefully read the brochure and itinerary and assess your ability to cope with our style of travel. Please refer to the Physical and Culture Shock ratings for trip specific information. Discovery Adventures reserves the right to exclude any traveller from all or part of a trip without refund if in the reasonable opinion of our CEO they are unable to complete the itinerary without undue risk to themselves and/or the rest of the group.
Please note your Adventure travels to high altitude, in Quito and the highlands. This is medically defined as anything over 8,000 feet (2,440 meters). Most people can travel to 8,000 feet with minimal effects. However, everyone reacts to altitude differently and altitude sickness can on set with some people irrespective of fitness and age. For details on how to best prepare and what to do in the unlikely event you are effected on your Adventure, please consult your physician.
Safety and Security
Many national governments provide a regularly updated advice service on safety issues involved with international travel. We recommend that you check your government's advice for their latest travel information before departure. We strongly recommend the use of a neck wallet or money belt while travelling, for the safe keeping of your passport, air tickets, travellers' cheques, cash and other valuable items. Leave your valuable jewellery at home – you won't need it while travelling. Many of the hotels we use have safety deposit boxes, which is the most secure way of storing your valuables. A lock is recommended for securing your luggage. When travelling on a group trip, please note that your CEO has the authority to amend or cancel any part of the trip itinerary if it is deemed necessary due to safety concerns. Your CEO will accompany you on all included activities. During your trip you will have some free time to pursue your own interests, relax and take it easy or explore at your leisure. While your CEO will assist you with options available in a given location please note that any optional activities you undertake are not part of your itinerary, and we offer no representations about the safety of the activity or the standard of the operators running them. Please use your own good judgment when selecting an activity in your free time. Although the cities visited on tour are generally safe during the day, there can be risks to wandering throughout any major city at night. It is our recommendation to stay in small groups and to take taxis to and from restaurants, or during night time excursions.
Protests and Demonstrations- Protests and demonstrations, even those that are well intended, have the potential to turn violent with no warning. Counter protests can also turn violent. Action by security forces to disperse demonstrators and protesters may occur at any time. If you are in an area where demonstrators or protesters are gathering, avoid the temptation of staying for a good photo opportunity and leave the area immediately.
Water based activities have an element of danger and excitement built into them. We recommend only participating in water based activities when accompanied by a guide(s). We make every reasonable effort to ensure the fun and adventurous element of any water based activities (in countries with varying degrees of operating standards) have a balanced approach to safety. It is our policy not to allow our CEOs to make arrangements on your behalf for water based activities that are not accompanied by guide(s).
Swimming, including snorkeling, is always at your own risk.
We take all prudent measures in relation to your safety. For ways to further enhance your personal safety while traveling, please visit:
Trip Specific Safety
Please take care when wandering about the city on your own, as pick pockets and purse-snatchers are common, particularly in the Old Town. Be safe and leave your passport, credit cards, traveller's cheques and cash you don't need in the hotel's safety deposit box. Most Quiteños are honest and genuinely helpful and friendly, but be safe and enjoy the city!
Medical Form
Our small group adventures bring together people of all ages. It is very important you are aware that, as a minimum, an average level of fitness and mobility' is required to undertake our easiest programs. Travellers must be able to walk without the aid of another person, climb 3-4 flights of stairs, step on and off small boats, and carry their own luggage at a minimum. Travellers with a pre-existing medical condition are required to complete a short medical questionnaire, which must be signed by their physician. This is to ensure that travellers have the necessary fitness and mobility to comfortably complete their chosen trip. While our CEOs work hard to ensure that all our travellers are catered for equally, it is not their responsibility to help individuals who cannot complete the day's activities unaided. Please refer to the physical ratings in this Trip Details document for more information.
The medical questionnaire can be found online at:
A Couple of Rules
Illegal drugs will not be tolerated on any trips. Possessing or using drugs not only contravenes the laws of the land but also puts the rest of the group at risk. Smoking marijuana and opium is a part of local culture in some parts of the world but is not acceptable for our travellers. Our philosophy of travel is one of respect towards everyone we encounter, and in particular the local people who make the world the special place it is. The exploitation of prostitutes is completely contrary to this philosophy. Our CEOs have the right to expel any member of the group if drugs are found in their possession or if they use prostitutes.
Travel Insurance
Travel Insurance: Travel insurance is compulsory in order to participate on any of our trips. When travelling on a group trip, you will not be permitted to join the group until evidence of travel insurance has been sighted by your CEO, who will take note of your insurance details. When selecting a travel insurance policy please bear in mind that all clients must have medical coverage and that we require a minimum coverage of USD 200,000 for repatriation and emergency rescue. We strongly recommend that the policy also covers personal liability, cancellation, curtailment and loss of luggage and personal effects. If you have credit card insurance we require proof of purchase of the trip (a receipt of credit card statement) with a credit card in your name. Contact your bank for details of their participating insurer, the level of coverage and emergency contact telephone number.
Planeterra-The G Adventures Foundation
Through our commitment to responsible tourism we have developed the Planeterra Foundation, a non-profit organization dedicated to making a positive difference in the lives of people and communities around the world through support of international charities, local organizations and community projects in the places that we visit on our tours. G Adventures matches all individual donations and pays all administration costs, which means that 100% of each donation is doubled and goes directly to support our projects. For more information about Planeterra and the projects we support, or to make a donation, please visit www.planeterra.org
Planeterra Dollar-A-Day Program
Our Dollar-A-Day Program provides travellers with the opportunity to help us give back to the people and places visited on our tours by donating one dollar per day for the duration of their tour. 100% of these proceeds will go directly to support our G Adventures for Good projects.
To participate in this program please indicate at the time of booking that you would like to participate in G Adventures' Dollar-A-Day program, either by clicking the check box online, or by advising your G Adventures specialist or travel agent. (Note: Donation will be charged in the currency of your booking)
Travel Forum - The Watering Hole
Be sure to stop by The Watering Hole, our adventure travel forum. If you're interested in meeting others booked on your upcoming trip, check out the Departure Lounge section of our forum and introduce yourself. Otherwise, just drop in at anytime to share some travel tips, ask questions, meet other travellers and quench your thirst for travel. Our forum is located at wateringhole.gadventures.com.
Max Pax
Group Leader
Chief Experience Officer (CEO)/driver throughout.
Meal Budget
Allow USD230-300 for meals not included.
Meals Included
5 breakfasts
Terms, conditions and restrictions apply; pricing, availability, and other details subject to change and/ or apply to US or Canadian residents. Please confirm details and booking information with your travel advisor.
Day 1 Quito/Otavalo
Spend 1 night in the Otavalo area and visit its world famous handicrafts market, the largest in South America. Villagers from the surrounding countryside come here every week to sell handmade goods as well as livestock, fruits, and vegetables.
One of the most obvious signs of the Otavaleños' cultural integrity is their traditional dress. This is not just put on especially for the tourists at the Saturday market, but is worn throughout their daily lives.
Otavalo is justly famous both for its friendly people and its Saturday animal market. The market dates back to pre-Inca times when jungle products were transported from the eastern lowlands and traded for highland goods. Today's market has two different functions: the local market for buying and selling animals, food, and other essentials, and the crafts market for the tourists and other interested people.
Additional Notes:
This trip leaves early on the morning of Day 1 from Quito – a pre-night in Quito is not included. Should you require the pre-night, please ask our sales CEOs who will be happy to arrange this for you. If there is any confusion on arrival, please do not hesitate to call the contact number listed in these trip details.
Included Activities:
Welcome Package Hotel
Mitad del Mundo Visit
Otavalo Handicrafts Market Visit
Private Vehicle (3.00-4.00 hours)
Day 2 Otavalo/Cotopaxi National Park (1B)
Spend the morning driving along the Avenue of the Volcanoes searching out the peaks of Pichincha, Iliniza, and the gigantic Antisana. Venture into Cotopaxi National Park travelling around the base of the cone-shaped, snow-capped volcano, considered the highest active volcano in the world. Spend the evening near Ecuador's beautiful Cotopaxi Volcano.
Included Activities:
Cotopaxi National Park Visit
Private Vehicle (7.00-8.00 hours)
Day 3 Cotopaxi National Park/Baños (1B)
Baños means 'baths' and that is precisely what the town is famous for. Some are thermal springs from the base of Tungurahua Volcano, which means 'little hell' in Quichua. Other baths have melt water running into them from Tungurahua's glaciated flanks. Locals swear that the baths are good for your health; it's definitely worth rising early to watch the dawn creep over the mountains from a hot spring vantage point.
Private Vehicle (4.00-5.00 hours)
Day 4 Baños (1B)
The town is the perfect setting for outdoor pursuits, including horseback riding, canyoning, hiking, mountain biking, climbing, and rafting in the surrounding mountains and on the River Patate.
Day 5 Baños/Quito (1B)
In the morning, enjoy free time in Baños to pursue some optional activities before transferring back to Quito for the evening.
Private Vehicle (3.00-4.00 hours)
Day 6 Quito (1B)
Depart at any time.
Included Activities:
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Beyond belief: a human strategy for survival
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Disasters help us to learn more about ourselves, and our responses, writes Paul Valent.
Where was God during the tsunami? Where is God in Darfur? Where was God in Rwanda? Cambodia? The Holocaust? My own religious phase ended when my father, the only one of nine siblings who survived the Holocaust, died 12 years later of prolonged, painful cancer. I then joined the majority of Holocaust survivors who abandoned belief in God. No believer has been able to convince me since then of the existence of a just, benevolent God.
It seems hard to accept the self-evident logic: there is no benevolent God guiding human affairs. Some may fear a chaotic amoral universe without God. I do not believe that the fear is justified. On the contrary, a scientific view of disasters diminishes their chaos, and may even give clues to the origins of morality and religion.
Pursuing the more fruitful scientific path, akin to the way geologists have observed tectonic shifts of the Earth, so traumatologists in the past 20 to 30 years have observed tectonic shifts of the mind in disasters. Looking scientifically into the eye of trauma, they saw how physical nature and human nature interact in primordial conditions; how some core aspects of human nature manifest and develop.
Briefly, what they saw was that in life-threatening situations people mobilised certain basic survival options. Fight and flight are two such well-known options. Others are rescuing and preserving others, attaching to others who might save one, competing and struggling for scarce resources, co-operating with others for mutual benefit, striving for essential goals, and surrendering previous goals while adapting to new circumstances.
Humans share the above survival strategies with other social animals. Where they differ from them is in the possession of fine feedback mechanisms on their chosen strategies in the form of judgements. Examples are: "You cannot run and leave your friends!"; "She gave you bread, now give her something in return!"
Only when no survival strategy is available is God evoked in fantasy as an omnipotent helper.
These judgements are themselves instinctive half-thoughts that arouse emotions - guilt, shame and a sense of justice - that tend to motivate action. Thus morality begins with juggling of survival needs of self and others. The result is the constant observation in disasters: that survival strategies fluctuate according to circumstances, always finely honed for maximum survival in the community.
Religion and God play no part during survival activity. Only when no survival strategy is available is God evoked in fantasy as an omnipotent parental helper, who in exchange for being good will help. "If you get me out of this, I'll go to church." On the whole, though, people are realistic enough to hope for Hercules planes, not angels.
The second appearance of religion is after disasters. Then religion may offer comfort through belief that the dead are alive in another form and not really lost; and that religious rituals and expunging non-believers will prevent future disasters. But generally past beliefs crumble, such as that the good are rewarded and the bad are punished. Understanding these principles has enabled traumatologists to help prevent a second round of psychological hurt common after disasters, and to promote healing. They do this by clarifying for survivors how their biological, psychological and social post-disaster symptoms (pains, digestive disorders, emotional outbursts, depression, alcohol consumption); harsh judgements ("How could I have let him/her die?!", "Why did I survive, and others died?", "I must have done something wrong, and now I am punished."); meanings ("I am a bad parent"); and shattered beliefs ("I should not be on this Earth.") gelled from specific disaster experiences in which they could not promote survival. But it was the disaster's fault, not theirs.
In time, survivors' experiences and their consequences become part of subjective and general human knowledge. Deepening wisdom can help survivors in their subsequent lives, and all in future disasters.
A small example: we know from past disasters that the wave of sympathy and generosity for the tsunami victims is likely to be short-lived. Yet survivors' needs require more than one flush of generosity. Knowledge of our altruistic and selfish human nature can help us to fashion now an appropriate giving plan for the long haul.
If we seek a redemptive silver lining in the tsunami, it is increased knowledge and wisdom. Ultimately it is we who are the containers of our evolution, our morality and our fantasies. It is our responsibility to know ourselves, to iron out our distortions, and enhance our natures for human benefit. And we have the potential to do so.
Dr Paul Valent is a psychiatrist who founded and is past
president of the Australasian Society for Traumatic Stress
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When is peak season? "The first two weeks following the Jan. 28 release of W2s are huge because of all the people depending on their tax refunds to purchase homes or pay bills. We actually have to turn business away during that time because we can't handle the load.
"That's one reason we launched our Online Tax Preparation product, so we could recoup some of that business, and we're already up 500% over last year in completed online tax returns. The other peak is during the first two weeks of April."
How does the data center help H&R Block keep pace during such a hectic period? "We have a Financial Information Network that receives all completed returns via frame relay or batched up every two hours via dial-up. Information from those is extracted, encrypted and dumped into an Oracle database engine. Then we do summarizations of how well we've done -- bookkeeping-type data -- that are placed on various intranet sites where regional and district managers can review their stats for the last week, last month, etc. They use those to plan for upcoming weeks, in terms of head count and so forth."
Workday: "It's typically eight and a half hours with an hour for lunch, but during tax season, we're putting in longer days, and the developers who support our [online tax preparation] product are heavily engaged. The tax laws are constantly changing, so keeping our system up-to-date is an ongoing battle."
Must people carry beepers? Cell phones? "Oh yes, both. During tax season, we're on heightened alert and everyone is on call."
What will you do on April 17? "We'll take a breather, and then we have to start preparing for next year's tax season."
IT training: "Our CIO is very big on training, and the rule of thumb is 80 hours per associate each year."
Bonus programs: Short-term incentive program and signing bonuses. "Depending on your job, you can receive up to 30% of your salary as a bonus."
Dress code: Business casual, with casual Fridays.
On-site day care? "No, but we have a tax-free fund you can contribute to from your paycheck to pay for child care."
Little perks: "We own seats to the Kansas City Chiefs, so during football season, you can put your name in a hat for free tickets."
Would employees feel comfortable e-mailing Henry Block? "Absolutely. He's the most approachable, easygoing guy you could ever meet. A very classy gentleman."
This story, "H&R Block's IT Crew Survives Four Months of Taxing Times" was originally published by Computerworld.


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3020 was an important year for the planet Earth. According to Eldane, his branch of homo reptilia awoke from a thousand year hibernation during this year. The timing of this awakening was agreed with the Eleventh Doctor in 2020. The Doctor believed that by that point, homo reptilia and homo sapiens could co-exist on the planet Earth. (TV: Cold Blood)


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Bandai Visual has announced that their Ghost in the Shell launch event, scheduled for Tuesday February 12, 2013, will be webcast live worldwide with simultaneous translation from 9:00 pm (Japan time) on Niconico, Bandai Channel and YouTube.
The chief subject of the event will be the new Arise anime, but talk of a new game might also be on the agenda.
Staff attendees:
Kazuchika Kise (Chief Director and Character Design)
Tow Ubukata (Series Composition and Script)
Mitsuhisa Ishikawa (Head of Production IG)
Takeshi Natsuno (Telecommunications Guru)
Satoshi Endo (Director at Kadokawa's Ascii Media Works)
Footage Contents:
Worldwide premiere of the First Trailer and Opening Animation for Ghost in the Shell Arise.
Scott Green is editor and reporter for anime and manga at geek entertainment site Ain't It Cool News. Follow him on Twitter at @aicnanime.


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Tin Oo, vice chairman of the National League for Democracy, was moved from Kale prison to his house in the capital Rangoon, his family members said.
He was arrested after the opposition clashed with supporters of Burma's military rulers last May.
Pro-democracy leader Aung San Suu Kyi and other top NLD members had already been placed under house arrest.
Since Tin Oo, 77, had been held in Kale, in the remote north-west of the country, his family had expressed concern about the effects of his detention on his health.
"He was handed over to his family by military intelligence
personnel late last night (Saturday)," a source close to his family told the AFP news agency.
"He is a bit thin but in good health."
The military government - facing strong international protests - has so far released over 150 people detained after the 30 May incident.
It has also recently pledged a so-called seven-step "road map" to democracy and a new constitution - a move that has been welcomed by the international community.
The National League for Democracy overwhelmingly won a general election in 1990 but was not allowed by the Burmese military to take power.


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Arthritis & Rheumatism, Volume 60,
October 2009 Abstract Supplement
The 2009 ACR/ARHP Annual Scientific Meeting
Philadelphia October 16-21, 2009.
Analysis of Intracellular Methotrexate Polyglutamates in Juvenile Idiopathic Arthritis
Becker1, M. L., van Haandel2, L., Lasky1, A. S., Hoeltzel1, M. F., Neal1, J. E., Palmer1, C. N., Stobaugh2, J. F.
Children's Mercy Hospitals and Clinics, Kansas City, MO
University of Kansas, Lawrence, KS
Recently, intracellular MTX polyglutamates (MTXglun) have been shown to be potentially useful biomarkers of response in adult RA patients. We aimed to measure total intracellular MTX gluTOT concentrations in a cohort of JIA patients and determine predictors of MTXgluTOT variability and association with outcome.
After obtaining informed consent, 5 ml of blood was obtained from JIA patients maintained on a stable dose of MTX for 3 months or longer. Demographic characteristics, efficacy and toxicity outcomes were collected by chart review. MTXPG17 in RBC lysates were quantitated using an innovative ion-pairing chromatographic procedure with mass spectrometric detection with improved sensitivity and specificity over existing HPLC separation followed by photochemical/fluorescence detection methods.
Patients (n=85; 61 female) from a single center aged 10.1 ± 4.5 years (mean ± SD; range 1.5 to 19.5 yr) were included in the analysis. Mean MTX dose was 0.51 ± 0.25 mg/kg/dose (range 0.11 to 1.05 mg/kg/dose) for a median of 19 months (range 3 to 156 months). MTX was given SC in 54 (64%) subjects; 50 (59%) subjects had active arthritis.
Total intracellular MTXglun (MTXgluTOT) concentrations varied 40-fold, from 4.80nmol/L to 210.3nmol/L (median 75.5nmol/L), in our cohort. Concentrations of MTXglu17 were measured individually and as a percentage of each patient's MTXgluTOT. MTXglu6 and MTXglu7 concentrations were detected in 68 and 15 patients, respectively. MTXglu3 was the most prominent subtype identified, comprising 41±10.3% of MTXgluTOT, and was most highly correlated with MTXgluTOT (r =0.96). Principal components and cluster analyses revealed that MTXglu1+2 and MTXglu36 formed two internally correlated subgroups, and MTXglu36 correlated highly with MTXgluTOT (r=0.94). MTXglu1+2 constituted 38.1 ± 19.5% of MTXgluTOT (range 5.2 to 92.9%).
Bi-variable analyses revealed the following were associated with MTXgluTOT: age, weight, mg/kg dose, months on MTX, NSAID use and MTX route. Multivariable analyses with inclusion of these variables in the model resulted in only mg/kg dose (p=0.03), route (p=0.01), and months of MTX (p=0.03) remaining significant predictors of MTXgluTOT variability. Months on MTX had a negative association. Response to MTX (no active arthritis) was not associated with MTXgluTOT or any individual absolute MTXglun concentration, however, responders tended to have higher proportions of MTXglu1 (p=0.04) and lower proportions of MTXglu4 (p=0.04).
In our cohort of JIA patients, MTXgluTOT varied 40-fold, but only 32% of this variability was attributed to dose, route and duration of treatment. Longer use of MTX was associated with lower intracellular MTXglun levels. Up to MTXglu7 was detected by our analysis, not previously reported. Unlike adults, long chain MTXglun absolute concentrations were not associated with response to MTX, however, the proportion of glutamate substrates differ between responders and non responders and may be worthy of further investigation.
To cite this abstract, please use the following information:
Becker, M. L., van Haandel, L., Lasky, A. S., Hoeltzel, M. F., Neal, J. E., Palmer, C. N., et al; Analysis of Intracellular Methotrexate Polyglutamates in Juvenile Idiopathic Arthritis [abstract]. Arthritis Rheum 2009;60 Suppl 10 :228
DOI: 10.1002/art.25311


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LG Optimus L7 II P710By LG Mobiles
- 4.3 inches
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- Single SIM
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- Yes, v3.0, A2DP
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- IPS LCD capacitive touchscreen, 16M colors In-Plane Switching Liquid Crystal Display (IPS LCD) Offers more sharpness, shows more realistic looking Images, Displays More Natural Colours and performs better in Bright sunlight as compared to LCD Displays.
- Qualcomm MSM8225 Snapdragon S4 Play Snapdragon processor offers seamless streaming of video and audio, crystal-clear voice calls, robust processing strength & groundbreaking battery efficiency.
- Dual-core 1 GHz Cortex-A5 More cores result in better multitasking. More tasks can be processed in parallel without slowing down the User Interface.
- Adreno 203 Graphics Processing Unit enables smooth processing of 3D Games and HD Videos. It also shares the load of processors and saves battery.
- Single SIM You can use only one sim in the phone.
- 8 MP Rear Camera Average Resolution camera that capture less vibrant images without focusing much on details.
- No Front Camera Front Camera enables you to take your own photos and do videocalling (on supported devices).
- Has Flash For Camera With Flash Bright Selfies / Pics can be captured even in low light.
- Has Autofocus For Camera With Autofocus, the camera of the mobile is able to focus on the subject automatically.
- Light Weight - 118g Lightweight mobile phones are easier to carry and look more fashionable.
- Limited Storage Capacity - 4 GB Less internal storage may limit installation of more apps, storing songs, images, videos, etc.
- Supports Memory Card - microSD, up to 32 GB Having no Memory cards restricts extra storage capacity. You cannot store more songs, photos and videos.
- Low Battery Life - 2460 mAh Lower Battery Life causes quick battery drain & results in frequent charging. The Battery life also depends on screen size, processor, OS, personal useage and other factors.
- Supports 3G 3G Enabled Handsets give you more download speed and a faster internet experience. 3G enables fast internet access, high speed downloads and access to lot other internet features.
- Supports 2G With 2G connectivity option you can get all cellular features but stay limited to basic internet facilities.
- Supports WiFi Connect to wifi hotspots in your area or other devices to your mobile.
- Supports GPS GPS help you to track your current location. get directions to a place or any destination using apps like Google Maps.
- Supports NFC NFC enables wireless payments through phone. You can even connect two NFC enabled mobile phones just by touching them with each other.
- Have A FM Radio Allows you to listen Music, songs, etc from Radio stations even while travelling.
- Supports Bluetooth You can wirelessly listen to music and calls using bluetooth headsets or even share data.
- Has 3.5mm Headphone Jack 3.5mm Jack enables you to connect to large number of other devices such as speakers, headphones etc...
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The lowest price for LG Optimus L7 II P710 is 12500. LG Optimus L7 II P710 features a display of 4.3 inches & screen Resolution of 480x800 pixels LG Optimus L7 II P710 comes with 8 MP of Primary Camera . It is powered by Dual-core 1 GHz Cortex-A5 processor paired with 768MB RAM, LG Optimus L7 II P710 has Adreno 203 as GPU (Graphics Processing Unit), it runs on Android OS, v4.1.2 operating system . with average battery of 2460mAh. It measures 121.5 x 66.6 x 9.7 mm (4.78 x 2.62 x 0.38 in) and weighs 118 gms. For communication LG Optimus L7 II P710 supports Single SIM, built-in storage of 4GB storage, microSD card slot . Connectivity options of the LG Optimus L7 II P710 include 3G, 2G, GPRS, edge, Wlan Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g/n, Wi-Fi Direct, hotspot, DLNA, Bluetooth v3.0, A2DP, NFC Yes (market dependent), FM radio.
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 I have just installed isotope 9.0 with a Dell ST2220T USB touchscreen connected. During install the touchscreen is not identified.

 Does anyone have any suggestion on how I can get this touchscreen working. The output from usbconfig and xorg.conf is below.

 I did not hear as yet if FreeBSD has drivers for Touchpanels/screens. Maybe I have just been asleep and missed that discussion.

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I've heard reports from several people that confirm this. They got a new machine with a touch screen, installed X and it just worked.

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B1 one of the speech sounds or letters of the alphabet that is not a vowel. Consonants are pronounced by stopping the air from flowing easily through the mouth, especially by closing the lips or touching the teeth with the tongue.
- Don't you hate the way she speaks, pronouncing each single consonant so precisely.
- She's got some unpronounceable name that seems to be all consonants.
Thesaurus: synonyms and related words
Examples from literature
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I have been told by a doctor that my son has asthma. He has a cough that started in December. The cough waxes and wanes, but started after an upper respiratory infection (URI). He has had an audible wheeze at times. As the cough has persisted even after his cold went away, I am beginning to concur with the diagnosis. I am, however, reluctant to use an inhaler, especially one containing a steroid. Are there complementary treatments?
Having a son with asthma led me onto my course of discovering alternative and complementary treatments so I understand your plight. You do not mention your son's age but suffice it to say that his symptoms need to be addressed in their totality. The key fact you mention is that the asthma followed a URI. These are related. I suggest that you consult with a Certified Classical Homeopath who will assess the whole state of your son and prescribe a constitutional homeopathic remedy. He should also have an inhaler on hand for instances where you need it. True integrative healthcare recognizes the place for all interventions used safely and judiciously. Choose a medical doctor who is willing to collaborate with your homeopath. To find one near you, go to www.nationalcenterforhomeopathy.org. Please also eliminate causative foods, such as cow's milk and external factors, such as cigarette smoke in the home or other fumes, toxins, etc. Omega 3s have been shown to have a direct anti-inflammatory effect on mucous membranes so I would also use that in a dosage safe for his age. To learn more and inform yourself on self care with homeopathy, become a member of the National Center for Homeopathy. It is a vital community of parents, practitioners, consumers, and all those interested in homeopathy.


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Did you catch Sunday night's shocking season finale of Shameless? If you did, you likely gasped at the bad-ass return of (SPOILER!) the previously-thought-dead Jimmy/Steve—and hey, you weren't the only one to clutch your pearls.
Judging by the cast's reactions on Twitter, not even the actors in the Gallagher clan were aware that Justin Chatwin's perennially troubled rich kid would turn out alive, after the season three finale found him presumably dead in the water after he was escorted onto the yacht of a Brazilian mafioso who had every reason to murder him. In Sunday's post-credits scene, it was revealed that Jimmy/Steve is alive and well and driving in Chicago with a strange woman (as one does). But what does he WANT!?
During Sunday night's record-busting episode, cast members like Emmy Rossum and Emily Bergl took to Twitter to express their utter surprise at welcoming back their co-star into the fold.
HOLLLLLLY MOLY NO IDEA. HE'S ALIVE. JUST FOUND OUT WITH YOU. PPL CALLING ME. SO MAD DIDN'T SEE LIVE. #JIMMYSTEVE @Justingchatwin #SHAMELESS
— Emmy Rossum (@emmyrossum) April 7, 2014
#spoileralert What?????? I had NO idea @Justingchatwin was coming back!!! #shameless knows how to keep a secret — Emily Bergl (@EmilyBergl) April 7, 2014
SUCH a surprise. nobody knew he was alive/back! plot twist!!! #shameless
— Emma Kenney (@EmmaRoseKenney) April 7, 2014
this was the best kept secret. nobody of the entire cast knew @justingchatwin was alive!!! literally screaming!!! #shameless — Emma Kenney (@EmmaRoseKenney) April 7, 2014
Ladies and Gentlemen I am completely shocked right now!!!!! I had no idea, best, kept secret!
— Shanola Hampton (@shanolahampton) April 7, 2014
Alive. #Shameless — Cameron Monaghan (@CameronMonaghan) April 7, 2014
BAM!!!!!! @Justingchatwin!!!!!!!! #Shameless
— Noel Fisher (@noel_fisher) April 7, 2014
They didn't tell me @Justingchatwin was going to be on the finale!!! DAMN!!!! That was awesome !!
— Steve Howey (@reelstevehowey) April 7, 2014
If you're a skeptic and having trouble believing the cast, trust it: In interviews with EW earlier this season, Rossum genuinely appeared to have no idea whether Jimmy was in fact alive or dead. She revealed last night that producers flew Chatwin out to the set in Chicago but put him up in a hotel away from the cast so that nobody would know about the secret finale tag.
As for the actual narrative of Shameless, what did you think of the way season four wrapped up? Are you on board with this darker, more mature Shameless—or are you pining for the old scheme-a-week days of the Gallagher clan? Let us know in the comments below.


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The Yiddish theatrical season has been launched in New York City with the opening of seven Yiddish theatres in Manhattan, Brooklyn and the Bronx.
The Yiddish Art Theatre, under the direction of Maurice Schwartz, resumed its activity at the Folk Theatre which had been built for the company, but which it was later forced to leave because of financial difficulties.
The Yiddish Art Company opens the season with a Chassidic play entitled "Yoshe Kalb" by L. J. Singer, a Polish writer.
Isa Kremer, diseuse, made her debut on the Yiddish theatrical stage in a play entitled "The Song of the Ghetto" by William Siegel, at the Downtown Theatre.
Other openings included: "The Common-Law Wife" by Louis Freiman at the Prospect Theatre; "Mister Schlemihl" by I. Rosenberg at the Hopkinson Theatre; "Mother and Mother-in-Law" by H. Kalmanovitch at the Liberty; "The End of the Russian Czar" at the Gayety; "A Girl Like You" by I. Lesh and S. Secunda at the Lyric.
In honor of the completion of Madame Betrtha Kalich's fortieth year upon the stage and as a tribute to her courageous effort to return to professional activity after an enforced retirement of more than two years due to a serious affliction of the eyes which for a long time threatened total blindness, a testimonial performance will be given on Thursday evening, October 20, at the Yiddish Art Theatre under the direction of Maurice Schwartz and J. Rumshinsky.
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The pope said that man did not produce the form of the church, and does not have the power to change it. Christ gave the form of the priesthood when he chose his male Apostles, he said in the book-interview, "Light of the World: The Pope, the Church and the Signs of the Times."
"The church has 'no authority' to ordain women. The point is not that we are saying we don't want to, but that we can't," he said. This requires obedience by Catholics today, he added.
"This obedience may be arduous in today's situation, but it is important precisely for the church to show that we are not a regime based on arbitrary rule. We cannot do what we want," the pope said.
In the book, the pope responded to the argument that ordination was restricted to men only because priestesses would have been unthinkable 2,000 years ago.
"That is nonsense, since the world was full of priestesses at the time," the pope answered. "All religions had their priestesses, and the astonishing thing was actually that they were absent from the community of Jesus Christ."
The pope said there can be no question of discrimination in the church because women perform so many meaningful functions.
"Women have so eminent a significance that in many respects they shape the image of the church more than men do," he said, noting famous religious figures such as Blessed Teresa of Calcutta.
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We don't want a martyr made out of him. It's far better that his corrupt administration is seen for what it really is and have its agenda exposed. After all Bill Clinton was beloved by many, yet his administration was composed of many of the same people Barry O's is and they have similar ideologies. The more scandals the better! We want everyone hating him by the end of his second term, otherwise we'll have more of the same on the next go around. This arrogant president, had his eyes set on a third term when he won his re election. He has an army of a 100 lawyers working on every possible angle to facilitate that, a scary proposition. You might not think it's possible, but he was possibly the only presidential candidate in history, that almost everyone refused to vet! I can only hope Hillary goes down in flames with him, after all Obama Care is just a warmed over version of what she tried to force on us in the early 90s. We are living in very scary times.I'm self employed and pay for my own healthcare in which my monthly premiums have DOUBLED over the last 3 years! Soon, I'll have to find an alternative due to the monthly expense. By 2014 it will be worse. Obama's plan all along. Crush the private healthcare industry through the auspices of regulations and compliance then watch the premiums go through the roof. Within 5 years or so, most people will be begging the feds for help....here comes socialized medicine. The plan was there all along. I have one sincere hope which is that Obama goes on his safari and gets mauled to death by a lion then his shredded corpse gets urinated on by an elephant.
Another First for our number one worst presidency
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#22 Jun 17, 2013
#23 Jun 17, 2013
He'd only be a martyr to some. I myself, would find it somewhat comforting if he were to meet his end by the jaws and claws of such a beast. One who tries to destroy the natural order of things being destroyed by a product of nature is as pure as it gets. You're right about living in scary times. The time is fast approaching where the rule of law in and of itself will be gone. If they don't follow it, neither will we. Welcome to the dark ages in the 21st century. My faith in the federal government and in checks and balances is almost eroded beyond repair. That goes for millions of other Americans as well. I have met many a Tea Party member who wishes for the same things that I do, i.e limited government, fiscal responsibility, etc. Fact is, Washington D.C. has become a cesspool of evil which cannot be changed unless it is forced. Our founding fathers didn't take George III to court or try and work out some sort of peace plan with Britain because it was futile. It's a sad day when the Tories betray.
#24 Jun 18, 2013
Perspective, get some. Perspective, learn what it actually is, not what you think it is.
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#25 Jun 18, 2013
My God, who would want it back as it was?...It was toxic, don't you get that?...And please, Quit the personal bullsh*t.....
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#26 Jun 18, 2013
Yeah, right..........
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#27 Jun 18, 2013
What exactly was toxic about it?
Unemployment was 5.4% compared to 7.6% today.
There were 2,010,000 more people working compared to today.
The participation rate was 66.1% compared to 63.4. At that rate we would have 6,128,000 more people working than we do today.
Yes, housing was going down thanks to the policies of the left, but the average price of a house in Michigan was $118,500 five years ago compared to $99,400 today. Under Bush the average price of a house in MI was $128,100. Under Obama it is $95,625. When Bush took office the average price was $112,700. When the D's took control of Congress it was $135,700. When Obama took office it was $103,700.
How long do you think it is going to take for the value of your house to return to the pre-D days?
Will you still be alive?
#28 Jun 18, 2013
Yeah, more blacks were working then too.... Why do you want to keep that community down so much?
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#29 Jun 18, 2013
Five years ago, the only toxic thing was Barry O's campaign. I suspect you wouldn't have known any better at that time, being a freshman in college and never had been in the working world and all. <¦-o
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#30 Jun 18, 2013
please find someone, that get's your bullshit......
#31 Jun 18, 2013
bush will be number 1 worst president for years to come. I dont expect an ignorant buffoon like you to realize truth over spin
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#32 Jun 18, 2013
Do you have to talk with such hate and venom?
#33 Jun 18, 2013
hey blow hard with no facts the police state and nsa spying started under bush. you should be mad at both sides. but as usual the whiney children of gop are trying to blame others while they applaud the gop for violating the constitution. You're a sicko go seek some medical help.
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#34 Jun 18, 2013
What does your retarded comment have to do with the other comment. It was talking about another first for the dog eater. Nothing at all was said about Bush.
Another first is that this president is the first to make eating horse meat legal
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#35 Jun 18, 2013
Most of the white trash on here -- and they know who they are -- don't own a home (and will never own one), so why would they know or care.
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#36 Jun 18, 2013
I am mad at both sides. I'm libertarian.
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#37 Jun 18, 2013
Stick around, have you met everyone here, Sweety?......
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#38 Jun 18, 2013
You are correct. It's sad to see that a critique against our president is taken as an attack on an entire political party, rather than what it was. I'm not sure what makes these people so angry.
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#39 Jun 18, 2013
I'm yearning to define, exactly when they transend from americans into just, parroting reichwingers......incapable of change.....
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#40 Jun 18, 2013
LOL Wrong on all counts. Maybe you ought to get your nose out of faux news and Hannity's a-hole for an hour and smell some fresh air. As for the NSA data collection effort, Congress voted for and approved extension of FISA which started under Bush. Every member has been briefed on what NSA is doing and why. You're a f'n moron. People like you ought to not have access to the internet.
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#41 Jun 18, 2013
Change? Oh you mean move toward communism. <¦-o
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|View Poll Results: Haruka or Mitsuki?
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|2006-12-07, 15:20
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I am male and I did choose Haruka in the end for a few reasons. 1st I am a hopeless romantic but that's not the real reason I guess. Haruka is really sweet and I know I'd have her undevoted love as long as I live. I would feel very secure and happy being with a person with that personality and such a huge heart. Ah...
But the funny thing is Mitsuki is the one I felt for in the whole series. Sure, she got more air-time and she was beatiful, but so was Haruka. What did tip it over was the unpredictable nature of Mitsuki. Solving problems by drinking and jumping into the sack with anyone is not something my heart would be able to take. I am not saying she is totally at fault cause Taka did act like an idiot at times.
But such an act would just crush my heart.
So it feels weird. Going by heart 100% I would go with Mitsuki, but heart and brain says Haruka. Mitsuki's unpredictability just makes me know that she'd destroy me sooner or later.
But I must say that both of them are fantastic individuals and any person would be lucky to meet either of them.
I don't really see a real villain in this story. Has to be Taka since he's so lucky and doesn't even knows it. Then he acts so indecisivly and hurts both Haruka and Mitsuki.
All in all this is just a story about life. No one fault, just unfortunate circumstances.
|2006-12-08, 03:35
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I love Haruka, personally she has suffered the most, the fact that she never did anything wrong and was sent into a coma and had 3 years of her life taken away from her, on top of that her bestfriend stole her boyfriend and then she had to struggle with dealing with this situation and at the same time try to regain her memory.......
No matter how much ppl justify the fact that Mitsuki suffered, the fact is she has done some pretty bad things, for one she kept takyuki late and caused Haruka accident, then she stole him from her while she was in a coma.. While i'll have to admit she suffered too, her suffering was i find quite justifiable as she has done some pretty dirty things.. while Haruka on the other hand done nothing to deserve any of this and this really make me feel bad for her.. whenever i see the final ep it always makes me cry because seeing all of Haruka's suffering come down to that one moment just overwhelmed me...
I also admire Haruka's courage in this situation, forcing herself to walk to be able to confront Takyuki.. I really feel Haruka just got the wrong end of the deal... So i'm really glad they are going to make an alternate ending concerning her... I felt the picture book in the end really ended it well and explained all her feelings and that just make me like her more!! so Haruka forever!!
|2006-12-09, 15:36
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I just watched the series and this person hit it perfectly. Though this definitely should have been put with spoiler tags. I have to wonder if the anime producers get hit in the head before they make the endings to these type of shows. i.e. Shuffle, Canvas etc.
|2006-12-09, 16:22
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i wouldnt say that mitski stole taka but in fact think of it as taka being emotionally touched by her after soo long and developing feelings for her...she recognized how much he needed mitski and visa versa...its just that with haruka waking up 3 years later it kinda threw taka off a little...with him having to pretend that it was still in the past...life moves on and you can stop people's emotion from progressing after youve been taken out of the picture for soo long...
|2006-12-09, 17:26
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While it's true Mitsuki helped him through the situation or losing Haruka, she didn't do it out of selflessness, in fact it is said in the anime that she felt glad that she can date taka now! Also if you notice that all the time she was looking after Taka in that weak emotional state she was hoping by her presence that he will forget about Haruka and the fact being he never did, afterwards she became so desperate that she threw herself at him in his moment of weakness where his sense of judgement is at it's all time low!
If Mitsuki and Taka got together because Taka realised how useful she was then i would of been satisfied, but instead she saw that it wasn't working so she used sex and burdened him with her emotions at his time of weakness to get Taka. I feel that it is backstabbing low and she simply took advantage of both Taka and Haruka's situation..
|2006-12-13, 18:29
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I'll just throw in my 2 cents real quick. I'm a Mitsuki fan and I've done more then my share of arguing for her sake.
I don't dislike either girls and I don't blame the Haruka fans for hating her so much. Mitsuki did not behave like a saint and from what I gather, that's the number 1 reason why people dislike her so much. She's made bad choices and alot of her actions can be seen as selfish. But really, what do you expect?
Though on the outside, Mitsuki appears to have a strong exterior, she is actually the weakest emotionally. People who think she just grow up and face it like an adult ...well, it's not as easy as it sounds. It's true that anime throws around all these ideals about heroism and courage, so you might come to expect it ...but when you think about it, Mitsuki has barely passed her teen years. All you can really expect from her is for her to act and think like a late-teenage girl.
I don't approve of her cheating on Taki like that. But when taking into consideration her feelings on an emotional level, I can sympathize with her. Even forgive her if I was in Taki's place. You can only feel dead inside for so long before you abandon your judgement and do something reckless like that. I guess I can personally throw out the 'been there-done that' line. That's maybe why I like her character, because I can relate to her and do know how she feels and how broken up she is.
Cheating is not always as simple as cheating. "I need sex because I'm horny" is very different from "I've become so numb that I need to feel something". One of the greatest pleasures known to human is love and estacy ...she sure couldn't bare to ask of it from Taki. After the act, the half the fans weren't the only one to hate her. She hated herself as well.
Mitsuki is a very fragile character, she's not nearly as strong as Haruka. And yet, she had to endure the greatest amount of pain and hardship out of any of the characters on this show. She's emotionally weak because she has burden of trying to make herself happy and it negatively effected others. It is because she's weak that she makes these bad judgements.
You can't expect her to give and give and give all the time especially when considering the stage of her life she's in. I don't think anyone can blame her too much for breaking down and for her bad judgements when considering all this.
|2006-12-13, 22:13
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I don't think Mitsuki is expecially weak at all, just very human.
The most unrealistic thing about it all is the 2 superwomen falling for Mr grey. Mitsuki could have had anyone she'd want. Haruka also practically. So at least over 20 guys have asked them out and no one has accepted and both only want Mr Grey (who has something I really would like to know) and just has to become adversaries. Must be some kind of parallell universe these things happen
There are so many extreme circumstances in this story that I find the scenario way out there.
In my eyes nobody deserves to loose but the creators made it so there could be no real happy ending.
So I take great solace that having 2 make that kind of choice is never gonna happen for noone in this world
That way I don't feel that bad at all over the ending.
Still a wonderful story though.
|2006-12-14, 10:37
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Back from a looooong hiatus, and the first thing I discovered is: where are all my previous posts on this issue? Argh!
During the hiatus, I have been enriching myself with doses of tearjerkers like 1 Litre of Tears (a must watch for all dorama fans) and anime like Honey and Clover (also another must watch!), and missed Mentar posting on this issue again. Shucks.
I've nothing much to add to the argument here, I'd just like to turn the focus away from the girls to that of Takayuki: Did he actually deserve either at the end?
Ahh..... the paradox of love: So selfish, yet so selfless at the same time.
|2006-12-14, 18:52
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Rather, Mitsuki helped out Takayuki for two reasons: A feeling of being responsible for the disaster mixed with a healthy dose of guilt trip.
|2006-12-14, 19:07
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Pre-accident, Mitsuki was clearly the more confident and independent person, with Haruka being very soft and passive (but courageous enough to confess). Post-accident, she was suffering through one year of total hell and two years of uneasiness in a seemingly lukewarm relationship - only to see her personal life unravel before her eyes with Takayuki's wavering after Haruka's waking up. That's quite a bit of strain. Do we know how Haruka would have dealt with a situation like this? Long emotional erosion is much more difficult to withstand than dealing with sudden shocking blows.
Mitsuki made her share of grave mistakes, particularly taking the crazy advice from her senpai leading to the Shinji escapade. On the plus side, she had the spine to call it quits by herself and moving on when (from her point of view) it was over, yielding Takayuki to Haruka on her own volition.
Haruka didn't have to suffer at all most of the time, brutally put. She only went through hell in the few days between waking up from the coma a second time, when she finally understood the situation. And even in the final showdown at the beach, she still tried her hardest until she was finally rejected (very understandably so).
The admirable aspects of Haruka were her ability to accept Takayuki's call in the end in very good grace and sending him off with her blessing. And the awesome gesture with her book, the "Hontou no Takaramono". In it, she's extending a hand to Mitsuki and Takayuki, offering forgiveness and asking to be reunited as friends. I loved the allegory, and the great heart she proved in doing so.
In summary, the situations were way too different to judge "emotional strength" IMHO. Had the roles been reversed, I'm not sure that Haruka would have fared better.
|2006-12-14, 20:55
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I hope you didn't just say shy people are emotionally weaker then outgoing people. I don't want to say that it's been proven, but when push comes to shove, people who tend to be more reserved can be just as aggressive as the rest.
The difference between Mitsuki and Haruka reminds me of Yukino from Kare Kano. Namely, the change she went through in episode 4. Pre-accident, Mitsuki lives her life with a mask on her face. She doesn't pursue the things she wants. She doesn't allow anyone to come near or hurt her. Haruku has no such shell and allows herself to be hurt. That does not make her weaker. If anything, this makes her strong(just a thought, I won't argue for it).
Post-accident, Mitsuki's shell eventually fades away. Her weaknesses, her insecurities; that void within her that exist in everyone, she fills with Taka to a point where she grows dependant of him. That's very natural for a human being to do, none-the-less a growing late-teenage girl. The feelings that Mitsuki shares for Taka is the very definition of what a soul mater is. She can't lose Taka because it would be like losing a part of herself.
Haruka, on the other hand, has been living her life with her true self exposed. She's used to being hurt by little things here and there and can handle them much better then Mitsuki can. That is why I say Haruka is much stronger emotionally then Mitsuki is.
|2006-12-15, 02:30
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Example: In one scene, we see Mitsuki leaving Takayuki's apartment, lamenting that "nothing has changed". That's what a mask is - she doesn't show these thoughts to him. Pre-accident, she never had qualms confronting Takayuki with anything which got on her nerves. She's seething with worries and jealousy after Haruka woke up first, but it took quite some time for her until she broke down and confronted Takayuki. Therefore, after Haruka woke up, this was the time when her mask gradually disappeared and the suppressed hurting surfaced. This however was no show of emotional "strength". It was the exact opposite: A sign that her emotional strength was past her breaking point. She couldn't maintain her mask anymore.
Mitsuki was emotionally tortured over years, Haruka only got hit with a horrible hammer once. Therefore, their situations were too different IMHO to really draw conclusions...
|2006-12-15, 04:32
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Well, suit yourself. Like I said, I've done more then my share of arguing on this series. I've already posted twice, which is something I told myself I wouldn't do.
Like on some issues where you outright disagree with me on, there are a few things where I plainly disagree with you on; or an oversight that I think you missed. Anyways, it is a different perspective on things, however, and I can see how you would draw such a conclusion. I just see it in a different light.
|2006-12-16, 15:34
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Discussing Akane in Haruka vs Mitsuki thread eh? :-)
Also, not all of them are that wrong-sounding.
|2006-12-16, 18:10
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|2006-12-18, 07:04
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LONG and filled w/******SPOILERS******
Okay, first of all I seem to be in the minority here because most of the gender confirmations here have been male. Im female, and unless Ive completely misread (sorry if thats the case) the other two posts on this made by known females, I agree with them--
At the end of watching the anime, I felt for both of the girls. While I definitely liked Haruka (despite being less-developed on a human-level b/c of lack of screen time) at the end where she (wisely) makes the best possible choice, Mitsuki (the more human of the two) really got me feeling her pain. It should be noted here that I'm fully aware that IF Haruka had been more developed as a character, I have NO doubt that my opinion of her would be different.
Now, I will admit that I have a tendency toward liking the self-sufficient strong and independent female characters more, I could definitely see where Mitsuki was coming from which is why Im sad to say that I simply (as much as I may want to b/c I sympathize with her) cannot find any valid reasons for her behavior.
Weakness as an excuse
Mitsuki says it herself, shes a weak person; but still, she tries her best to look after someone she cares about. Granted, she isnt too bright and consequentially the way she goes about it is completely wrong, but she is trying. I have to give her credit for that. The part I really didn't understand though, is where instead of (upon realizing her fallacy) trying to correct it and take steps to become a stronger person, she willingly decides to remain a weak person and kind of 'try to have things work even so.' To me, that is a total mistake. It felt like she was too unwilling to try and solve (at least her) part of the problem herself, and let things play out the way they will. Now, that's fine if she decides to do that, but then IF that is indeed what she decides, she has no right to feel sorry for herself/whine about it later. The part that really irritated me, is that she does (whine/pity herself).
Emotionalism as an excuse
Women get a lot of bad rap for being "too emotional." So far, a lot of the posts I've seen here say what Mitsuki did was okay b/c she was "in love" or because she was really hurting. I know she was really hurting. You'd have to be blind and deaf w/o a tactile translator to be unaware of that while watching the anime. I myself felt really sorry for her, but at the same time you cant use that as an excuse for hurting others/just looking out for your own self-interests and expecting people to praise you for it. Think about it, "love" does not make everything you do okay as long as it's the motivating factor (neither does extreme anger, emotional pain, or extreme duress). You can't say "I felt like sh*t so I did something that made my best friend feel like sh*t too;" it's like saying as long as you feel really strongly, your actions (no matter what they may be) are okay. I speak from life experience here. Look at the way our legal system is set up. If you are a psychopath who cuts people up and stores their parts in pickle jars because you "love" them, you still go to jail. If you "love" and beat your child bloody so that they will "learn and become a better person" you still get arrested and charged with child abuse. I'm aware that these are extreme cases and none apply to the storyline of KgNE, but I'm just trying to make a point about how "I did it b/c I loved them" doesn't cut it.
Taking Responsibility
Point-blank, almost everything both Mitsuki AND Taka did was half-a$$ed. This is just my personal preference here but if you're going to do something, for god sakes, do it right (or at least mostly right).
Mitsuki as a Best Friend
Takayuki as a Boyfriend
As far as I'm concerned, Taka was no prize. From a female perspective yeah, he's a nice guy, but he's also willing to have sex with a girl that's not his girlfriend. It would have been perfectly fine w/me if both girls had dumped him. It's okay to be insecure/indecisive, but playing with two people's emotions like that just isn't right.
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