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- ZZ Top & The Doobie Brothers, Chateau Ste Michelle Winery tickets for 08/25 07:00 PM at Chateau Ste Michelle Winery,Woodinville, WA
- Fri Aug 25 2017
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- ZZ Top & The Doobie Brothers, Cuthbert Amphitheater tickets for 08/27 07:00 PM at Cuthbert Amphitheater,Eugene, OR
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- ZZ Top & The Doobie Brothers, Mountain Winery tickets for 08/29 07:00 PM at Mountain Winery,Saratoga, CA
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- Guns N' Roses & ZZ Top, Sun Bowl Stadium tickets for 09/06 07:00 PM at Sun Bowl Stadium,El Paso, TX
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- ZZ Top, The Pavilion at Irving Music Factory tickets for 09/09 08:00 PM at The Pavilion at Irving Music Factory,Irving, TX
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- Wed Sep 27 2017
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- Sat Sep 30 2017
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- Tue Oct 03 2017
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- Thu Oct 05 2017
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- Fri Oct 06 2017
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- Sat Oct 07 2017
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- Sun Oct 15 2017
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- Fri Oct 20 2017
- ZZ Top, Altria Theater - Richmond tickets for 10/21 08:00 PM at Altria Theater Richmond,Richmond, VA
- Sat Oct 21 2017
- ZZ Top, Tower Theatre - PA tickets for 10/22 08:00 PM at Tower Theatre PA,Upper Darby, PA
- Sun Oct 22 2017
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- Wed Oct 25 2017
- ZZ Top, Orpheum Theatre - Boston tickets for 10/27 07:30 PM at Orpheum Theatre Boston,Boston, MA
- Fri Oct 27 2017
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- Sun Oct 29 2017
- ZZ Top, Community Theatre At Mayo Center For The Performing Arts tickets for 10/31 08:00 PM at Community Theatre At Mayo Center For The Performing Arts,Morristown, NJ
- Tue Oct 31 2017
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- Wed Nov 01 2017
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- ZZ Top, King Center For The Performing Arts tickets for 11/09 08:00 PM at King Center For The Performing Arts,Melbourne, FL
- Thu Nov 09 2017
ZZ Top started with Billy Gibbons, Frank Beard, and Dusty Hill as a blues-rock trio in 1969. After Gibbon's band the Moving Sidewalks began to crumble, Gibbons joined with former American Blues band members Beard and Hill to create ZZ Top. The band members' bond was cemented by their love of blues music and Texas. They played regional concerts and would constantly sell out making ZZ Top tickets a hit item.These shows were before signing with London Records, which held such musicians as the Rolling Stones and John Mayall. Under the management of London Records, ZZ Top cutan album, appropriately entitled "ZZ Top's First Album". Their third album "Tres Hombres" was released and earned them national attention. On this album was a song called "La Grange", which is still the band's signature riff tune. ZZ Top was the featured headliner in the "Rompin' and Stompin' Barndance and Barbeque" concert, where they played before 80,000 people. This concert earned ZZ Top rock-legitimacy outside the regional sphere; they were more than just a little ol' band from Texas.ZZ Top's powerhouse musicianship earned them national recognition and fame and made ZZ Top Tickets a hot commodity all over the US.
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ZZ Top Profession
Rock band
ZZ Top Genres
Blues rock, Boogie rock, Hard rock
ZZ Top Members
Billy Gibbons, Dusty Hill, Frank Beard, Lanier Greig, Billy Ethridge, Dan Mitchell
ZZ Top Origin
Houston, Texas, United States (1969)
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ZZ Top Extend Tonnage Tour
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ZZ Top will continue to promote their album 'La Futura' as part of the tour. Released in the year 2012, it is the band's fifteenth studio record.
ZZ top Extends Tonnage Tour
The Blues rock band ZZ top has added 21 more dates to their 2017 Tonnage Tour. Other than the previously announced shows in February and March, the musicians will be playing dates in May and June as well. Among the notable stops of the tour include Little Rock, San Antonio and Cincinnati.
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Contact: Angela Turner
UMKC visiting professor Mohammed Hafez speaks on suicide bombersUniversity of Missouri-Kansas City (UMKC) visiting professor Mohammed Hafez will speak on Islam: Between Moderation and Extremism, on Wednesday, Oct. 17, 2007 at 7 p.m. in Overland Park, Kan. The program, presented by the Jewish Community Relations Bureau/American Jewish Committee, is free and open to the public.
Hafez has authored several books on the topic, including "Suicide Bombers in Iraq: The Strategy and Ideology of Martyrdom" and "Manufacturing Human Bombs: The Making of Palestinian Suicide Bombers."
Hafez has appeared on "The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer," MSNBC and C-Span. His comments have been heard on NPR, and he has been widely quoted in a number of newspapers around the country. He is a government consultant on terrorism, the Middle East and radical Islamic movements.
For his book on Palestinian suicide bombers, Hafez conducted research in Israel, the West Bank and Gaza. This program presents a unique opportunity to hear an expert on this topic of major concern.
The program will take place at the Jewish Community Campus, 5801 West 115 Street, Overland Park, Kan. For more information, contact Judy Hellman, associate director of Jewish Community Relations Bureau/American Jewish Committee, at 913-327-8125.
The University of Missouri-Kansas City (UMKC), one of four University of Missouri campuses, is a public university serving more than 14,000 undergraduate, graduate and professional students. UMKC engages with the community and economy based on a three-part mission: visual and performing arts, health sciences, and urban engagement.

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lipo rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
|Topic: lipo rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cool Novice
Posts: 49
well i finally feel good enough to get this topic out to you guys. had lipo on monday. hips outter and inner legs. took off the girdle on tuesday to clean everything up and when i saw how it looked i was very pleased. all the xtra fat that had been there for almost a year is gone. im back to looking more in proportion. anyway as the week progressed and i got more swollen black and blueand painful it still looks good. i finally got off the p ercocet on thurs. so i can heal faster, taking lots of vitamin c as well. only ive had a wicked headache since the recovery room,said that could be side effect. anyway, the worst is over and im glad i had it done. will keep you posted. followup visit on monday.should be looking great in about a month.
Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 87
congrats on your success! i'll bet you can't wait to go shopping for some new clothes to show it off! :-)
im sorry im not quite sure i understand this?
are you expecting a congratulations because
you paid some doctor to suck the fat out of your ass?
g-d damn any body seen the movie fight club?
think human fat s o a p.........
Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 297
It's not her fault. Some people don't have the patience to eat, train, and sleep properly. I mean, let's think about it ... the progress you could make in a year can be done in one day! Of course, you won't gain any muscle from it, and it will probably leave scars, and there is the whole pride factor, not to mention that nothing was really learned from it so the chances of gaining the fat back are quite high, etc, etc, etc.
But hey! One day!!
Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 826
You guys are always sooo much harder on us gals than we are to eachother. I guess it's good to have the balance.
Without offering my congratulations, I WOULD like to thank you for sharing your experience with the other people on this board who may be thinking of this option. You can never have too much input when deciding to undertake elective surgery.
Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 997
Until you guys have to deal with cellulite you have no right putting someone elses choice down.
My mother always told me that if you can't say something nice then at least have the good manners to keep your damn mouth shut! Lipo, breast augmentation,a/s use,abdominoplasty etc. are all things that many of us will consider at some point in our quest for making our bodies the best that they can be and it is something that we should be able to openly discuss without taking alot of crap off of anyone! It is her body - her choice. If you choose to question her motives for doing it then it can be done in a civilized tone.
Now, a comment - I have a friend who has had extensive lipo done and she said that when she gains weight it shows up only in her arms and under her chin and 5# looks pretty bad when it is all in those two places. Says it definitely keeps your butt in the gym.
Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 281
oh puleez. cellulite is the result of having fat around for too long. they are the oldest cells which = free radical damaged fat. lose the damn fat through diet and exercise. lipo is far too extreme imo.
oh btw, i think much of this backlash would have been avoided if JuicyGirl didn't make the comment "congrats on your success!". thats like congratulating someone for injecting synthol into their biceps.
Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 997
The POINT is that it everyone's free choice...if it works for them, more power to them.
No need to be rude and obnoxious.
Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 826
Cellulite is always there in adult women. By that I mean that funny cargo net of connective tissue that stangulates the fat. Whether or not it shows is a matter of the amount of underlying fat as well as the looseness or tightness of the supporting skin. Lipo does not get rid of the cellulite. There are anorexics that have died from not enough bodyfat, but they still had cellulite. Besides, implying that a woman with cellulite just doesn't have their diet and training in order is just like telling a guy he's a slob if he doesn't always have a 6-pack showing. It is NOT HEALTHY for a woman to stay under 12%bf all her life just so her cellulite won't show. A much better reply would have been that BLONDBLDR is still a worthwhile person even if she hadn't had lipo, but instead chose to not be ashamed of the body that is what nature dealt her. Because lipo is a serious option for so many American women, I think it is appropriate for BLOND (or JayeLynn or whoever) to share their experiences.
ms are you implying we should congratulate someone for paying a doctor to have their fat removed?
what happened to hard work and dedication?
the sense of personal achievement.
writing a check takes no effort in my book.
the reason why plastic surgeons are so rich
is because of weak minded fools.people that cant live with them selves because they re so caught up with the way the media says they should look.reading celeb magazines,watching soaps,believing if you dont fit this image youre not a worthy person
i really dont care about the scientific jibberish about why cellulite occurs,to me its a deeper picture than that,society lacking self worth.
i guess in order to have shepards we must have sheep.
so may the cattle graze on..
ps.doesnt it make you mad that you and i bust our ass in the gym and in our dieting everyday ,while some one uses technology to alter theyre body in hours.people like that should be condemned and unwelcomed.
If I recall her pics correctly it was obvious that she does bust her ass in the gym. Sourerk - I do not recall seeing photos of you however...
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Perhaps congratulations is an innappropriate word. However, I do not see why some people are so quick to hang this woman (or any woman) who has had a cosmetic procedure out to dry. I don't have all of the facts in this particular case, but to answer the question do I feel somehow pissed off that a person opted to have a cosmetic procedure over doing it "the old fasioned way"? NO! My body is my body and that is that. The choices I make are for me alone and I respect the right of others to make choices that are RIGHT FOR THEM. We all have to way the pros and cons of each choice we make and have to deal with the benefits/ramifications of these choices EVERY DAY.
LIPO DOES NOT ELIMINATE CELLULITE!!! It removes pockets of fat not the unsightly bumps that all women seem to fear more than dismemberment. ALL GROWN WOMEN HAVE CELLULITE! Yes - even I have small bumps on the back tops of my hams just below my glutes - OH HORROR!!! The reason these bumps do not show in photographs is: lighting, and posing. Did you ever notice that you never see a model posing in a magazine shot from behind with her pelvis tucked under?....why? because even an eight year old's flawless behind has bumps in this position!!! OK?!
Is any of my hard work negated because AN ENTIRE FOOT OF LOOSE SKIN was removed from my abdomen and the abdominal wall was sutured up to return to the condition it was in BEFORE I had children? True, my abs were flabby before I had kids but that was due to improper diet and training (if you can call it that). Had I not had any children I could've gotten the abs I have today W/O surgery - so did I "cheat"? True, I have an advantage over the generation or two of women before me because I am lucky enough to have this information and technology available to me if I so choose. But you MEN tell me how many crunches I would have to have performed or how I could've altered my diet to achieve the same result W/O surgery AFTER FOUR CHILDREN?...and for the breast surgery....TRUE - I did go one cup size bigger than I was before children (my husband's request), but if you had seen the condition they were in after having carried and nursed FOUR CHILDREN...let's just say that the native women in the National Geographics made me look BAD!!! OK, so now I truly am CHEATING because I HAVE THE BALLS to try to get back the body I had BEFORE children ....and w/A LOT OF HARD WORK and DISCIPLINE actually IMPROVE UPON IT!!!...come on you can say it, "THAT UPPITY BITCH!"....but remember, that is MRS QUEEN BITCH and SMILE when you say it!
...just my humble .02
Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 997
How do you know she does not work hard, is not dedicated? Are you making that assumption ONLY based on the fact that she opted for cosmetic surgery?
There's a lot of people that think the same way about steroid use you know. (I don't know whether you use them or not, just pointing it out.)
Elite Bodybuilder
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I'm not getting into this one, cause I really don't care, but god thats funny.
God, that was pretty damn funny. BM, I wasn't sure about you before, but your all right. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with your position on this, but you don't take any shit do you
Amateur Bodybuilder
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Not all grown women have cellulite. A high percentage (perhaps linked to the fact that the average women has a body fat percentage above 25?), but not all.
Woman A could have the same body fat % as woman B, but still not show as much cellulite. A lot of it is based on genetics, but women who suffer from it can reduce it significantly by reducing body fat AND building muscle (since cellulite thrives on people with too much fat and not enough muscle). The dimple is created in the fat by connective tissue and that's not something you can control totally.
And to answer the rebuttal which compared AS use to lipo/implants/etc, I strongly disagree. When using AS, you still have to have a solid diet, solid training, and solid sleep pattern to maximize gains. With lipo/etc, you pay your money and away you go. A big difference in my opinion.
I'm not trying to tell people what to do, but stuff like this sounds more like hollywood than it does about health and nutrition.
Like my above post implied - people always want the quick fix, but they fail to realize that true appreciation of success will never be obtained without the dedication required to make a difference.
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Lipo's not the free-ride you think it is 'spanky'. Any ideas that cosmetic surgery/enhancements cannot be a respectable tool in a deciplined/dedicated (and yes, hard) effort towards health and perfection is just plain ignorance.
bikinimom you are not focusing on the point here.
whats the point of working out if a person can get the same body through technology?
people get calve implants,chest implants lipo
on the abs.where does this bullshit end?
i know once a person get a cosmetic surgery done and theyre pleased with the results they
go back for more.
i see it as having a weak personality,lipo is for losers.
once lipo used to be the only option for obese people.now every chick that cant fit into a size 1 has it done.
youre all brainwashed.
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Brotha Sj - you're telling me that I could've gotten THE SAME result with the surgery I had - NATURALLY?
Cool Novice
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sour jerk: you're contradicting yourself here........unless the 45mins of cardio I did has done me in....ha, probably both..
Elite Bodybuilder
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I disagree with SJ. Cosmetic surgery isn't for losers. It's for people with lots of money
bmom i dont know? maybe the results you had
in surgery are more dramatic than just old fashion working out.
which is the point i want to make.
whats the point of working out if technology can yield better results?
(assuming you can afford this)
The point that you GUYS are missing here is that breastfeeding and pregnancy does things to some womens bodies that no amount of training, diet and discipline will take care of. My breasts currently look like two sacks hanging on my chest that are only half full and are located closer to my waist than to my chest. My abdomen although the fat is dissappearing has several inches of loose sagging skin that will hang below my crotch when all the fat is gone out of it. There, is that a graphic enough picture for you. Now I ask you - If you were busting your ass in the gym and eating right, the rest of your body was damn near perfect would you not want to fix the problem if you could? We are not talking minor imperfections here. I also do not see a whole lot of difference between altering your body surgically or chemically as with either if you don't do the work to maintain it the fat will come back - maybe not in the same places but lipo is by no means a license to lay on the couch eating bonbons for the rest of your life and remain a size 1.
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Thank you Temple for that graphic and ACCURATE description.....I ask again, How many crunches would I have had to have done (and believe me, I did PLENTY) to make and ENTIRE FOOT OF LOOSE SKIN DISAPPEAR? I was a size 0 for God's sake!...yet I could not be comfortable in a one-piece bathing suit because of all of the loose skin that hung out beneath the bottom by the crotch! and yes, I did have a wonderbra. In fact I had several. When I lifted my arms, what was left of my breasts (that were once a D-cup when I was a chubby teen - also got up to a double D when I was nursing my kids - then shrank back down to an A/barely B when I dropped the pregnancy weight between each of my kids. Before I got pregnant with my first I was a size 4. After the first and second children I got back down to a 4 both times before getting pregnant again. After my third and fourth I became a size 2 then 0 - OK?...Is that disciplined enough for ya?) literally would slide out underneath the underwire! So I had a mastopexy (kind of like a reduction) because my skin quality was so poor from all of the stretching and shrinking that the size of the implant that would have been required to properly fill out all of the loose skin would have been so enormous and out of proportion w/the rest of my body that I would have looked like a side-show freak!
I realize that you probably aren't old enough or experienced enough to understand the physical changes that occur to a woman's body from child-bearing and nursing. I would even be so bold as to venture to bet that you would be hard-pressed to find a single man who has watched the physical devastation that his partner's body goes through as a result of carrying and caring for their child who would feel that I had "cheated" or taken the technological way out. I did neither. I earned my six pack, rock hard ass, defined arms, muscular back, hard shapely legs the same way any other woman who has not had a child did - the good old fashioned way - through sweat and sacrifice.
I repeat - THERE IS NO WAY POSSIBLE I OR ANY OTHER WOMAN WHO HAS HAD MORE THAN TWO CHILDREN COULD POSSIBLY HAVE BREASTS AND FLAT STOMACH WITHOUT SOME TYPE OF COSMETIC SURGERY!!! - If there is a way and you can prove it to me - please do. But until you know for a fact that someone who's body was as devastated as mine was from having babies - NOT EATING BONBONS - did it WITHOUT the help of this technology I suggest you check your facts and quit passing judgement and speaking as an authority on a topic with which you have had no experience ...I am brainwashed?....How many children have you carried, given birth, and nursed?
As for becoming "addicted" to cosmetic surgery. I had two procedures performed 3 years ago. I have no need or desire to have anything else done at this time or at any time in the near future. Will I ever again?....I have learned to never say never. Does this make me an addict?
And yes MS - the procedures did cost a few $ but believe it or not I got a "sale". Because my doctor was so impressed with the strength and condition of the underlying abdominal muscles (all those crunches and low bf from dieting and cardio did do me some good after all, huh?) she performed the surgery PRO BONO - I only had to pay for the anesthesia and hospital - as long as I gave her my consent to present my case at a symposium she was giving. The results in my case were DRAMATIC - because of all the hard work I had done all along trying to achieve a flat stomach the "natural way" (which in case you haven't gotten the message yet - would have been IMPOSSIBLE). I got 7 thousand dollars worth of procedure for 2. I guess all of my hard work really did pay off, now didn't it?
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I will have lipo by this time next year on my inner thighs. Why? because I WANT a quick fix. I have had them since I was 12 years old
and spent 14 years in gymnastics, taking and teaching. I was nothing but muscle and didn't even have a period for months at a time without a docs script to help me start.
Yet I STILL had fat pockets that never went away on my inner thighs. Can anyone tell me why this is? So I think there is nothing wrong with plastic surgery. No amount of surgery will give you the perfect body(just look at joan rivers) as no one has the same opinion on what the perfect body is but if you feel your damn close and have exhausted all other means to achieve your goals whether it be gear or surgery MORE POWER TO YA!
Cool Novice
Posts: 13
All women do NOT have cellulite. Cellulite is the result of a heavy fatted diet and poor genes.
I could care less weither a person has lipo or not. I have never seen a serious competitor who had all kinds of cosmetic procedures. Poor skin tone, cellulite, and all the other unsightly problems that some people have, seem to keep them from having the genetics to be a winning competitor.
So, who cares... they will never make it to the big time anyway.
I'll be living proof...i don't have cellulite!...so not all women do....maybe i will after kids...
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.....didn't ARNOLD have calf implants?
and I could just swear that the majority of fitness competitors have boob jobs or maybe there is just some training secret that we don't have that allows them to extremely low bfp's and still have a full c cup, hmmmm...
Oh well, it is easier to just chalk up my stretch marks, loose skin and saggy boobs to bad genetics instead of childbirth and accept the fact that I will never have a competitve quality physique so I think I will go back to laying on my couch eating like a pig - life wasn't so bad at 185 and it was a hell of a lot less painful.
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Heh, heh, Temple....too funny. Let's face it, Ladies, there is definitely two camps on this board related to cosmetic procedures, genetics, childbirth, and AS use. It is fairly obvious after reading this thread that those who are so anti-surgery haven't experienced the wonders of childbirth. What amazes me is not the stances that anyone takes on these subjects as much as the ignorant statements in which people make to back their opinions up.
I mean really, Hardtail, did I read your post correctly? Geeesh, nothing like taking "heart" out of the equation of training. Training intensity and plain 'ol "heart" as we call it make up for tons in any competitive arena. Yes, even genetics, provided you put on the right amount of muscle in all the right places. Will heart make you win the Olympia, probably not, but trying regardless gives you something that not alot of people have--RESPECT.
The idea is to do the best you can do for yourself--to constantly improve and do what makes YOU feel better. Is it cheating? At this point some will argue AS use is cheating? Some that creatine is cheating? Thinking you naysayers wouldn't do it provided you exhausted all other methods, and could afford to---that's a lie.
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Blackhaus Girl - you are a YOUNG beautiful woman - YOU GO!....As you saw from my skinny-chick swimwear pics that I was also COMPLETELY VOID of cellulite. I had no trouble achieving an extrememly low body fat percentage YEAR ROUND - BUT though I was lean and hard - I WASN'T GROWING EITHER!...Because I decided to try to get my physique up to "competitive-snuff" I HAD TO EAT A LOT OF GOOD FOOD (and I ate some junk too) and put on some pounds. NOT ALL of the weight was LBM - some was fat - HORROR!!!..and while I did not have rolls I did and still do get bumps on the backs of my thighs when I get up past 13%bf. I am grown and secure enough were this does not bother me - it is a fact of life....to gain mass MOST (not ALL - I apoligize for the blanket statement) women have to put on fat and this fat is commonly seen as cellulite on their backsides. When I cut - I have NO CELLULITE WHATSOEVER - I WOULD NEVER GET UP ON STAGE W/BUMPS ON MY BUTT!
ALSO - has anybody caught the FACT THAT LIPO DOES NOT ELIMINATE CELLULITE?!?!
PS - Temple girl, forget fitness competitors - EVEN the Goddesses of Women's Body Building themselves - RACHEL and CORY HAVE FAKE BOOBS - OK? and correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they get them AFTER they achieved Pro-status?....so now does this mean that ONLY THE TOP LEVEL COMPETITORS HAVE COSMETIC PROCEDURES?....help me out, I'm confused.
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wow guys i didnt know my lipo exp. would have such an effect on everyone. first of all let me just remind everyone. im 41 yrs old, i competed for 10 years and made it to the nationals with the N.A.B.F. federation in 98. i didnt continue because i really didnt see the need anymore. i was doing it for the challenge and determination to see how far i could go. so yes SOURJERK THE NAME REALLY FITSi was sitting on my ass the last 10 yrs eating bonbons. do me a favor if you dont know the person dont be so judgemental. i think ive said this before. after yrs. of dieting up and up and down my body stopped responding as easy. WOULD YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT CONTEST DIETING? i diednt think so. anyway after my last big cycle last year deca primo i put on alot more bulk then i wanted. ive had a good diet for years and last year i offed the cardio a bit to get big. well i gained 15 pds. i put on alot of muscle mass but also unwanted fat i couldnt seem to get rid of. believe me i tried everything. im no novice at this. believe me if i could have avoided this i would have. its major surgury and its been quite uncomfortable. so before you blow your cookies again on someone find out where ther at. oh did i say SOURJERK IS AN APPRPRIATE NAME FOR YOU! sorry your so miserable. but we all have options, and whatever makes you feel better about your body you do have that optionto chose. thank god. peace
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Damn Blondie - THE NATIONALS?.....hmmmm, methinks some people owe you an apolgy!
Cool Novice
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thanx bikinimom, some people seem sort of hostile towards plastic surgury. pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeee. get a grip already. training hard eating well good rest and a good heart are all part of a good clean lifestyle, which helps our bodies look good, but, sometimes ya need alittle help from your friends. ha ha good luck to you i know your working hard. i cant wait to get back int the gym. cant do legs for a couple of weeks, but, i think next week ill start upper body. oh god it feels like im starting all over ha .
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damn these guys are hypocrits (sp) as long as girls have there boobs done it's allright!
I hate fake breasts but i can imagine having lipo done.. Who cares what they say.. if you are happy with the results
congrats, Dutch
How do you find a qualified plastic surgeon? I think the closest for me would probably be at least a 6 hour drive. Also how long are you in the hospital with the abdominoplasty and the boob job? Oh horrors - I am doing it as soon as I have the $$ and the rest of the body to go with it and once I start I might not stop, I might have lipo and I might have a facelift and I might have collagen injections and you know, now that I think about it I really don't like my nose and this really isn't open to discussion unless you are supportive because like I said before -IT IS MY BODY! BTW - BBldr, how are you feeling, must be pretty good if you are already thinking about hitting the gym.
ok,ok no hard feelings people.
im very happy for your liposuction surgery...
whos buying the cake!!!
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Cool Novice
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no hard feelings homeboy. problem is i cant have the cake! gotta keep the bod lookin good! have you always lived in bklyn sourjerk? im from nyc originally. dont miss it a bit!
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Not sure if you all have noticed, but I've not posted to this thread. Oh, I've been reading it - some entertaining comments to say the least.
So I figured I'd chime in at what appears to be the tail end and give my whopping .02
I work smarter, not harder. If something is easy, it works, WTF, why not? Technology is what makes body builders PERIOD. Not one person here can do, or be, like they want with out science and bucking mother nature. Simple hard work and dedication is not the whole pie. Yes, it is a big slice. But by and large it will only get you so far. More often I see it making one pissed off or depressed because the results are not what is expected.
Again and again and again I see the same argument being "a degree of acceptance" or "degrees of usage". Remember the natural vs. AS using argument on MS's thread a few days ago? People, you must get rid of this delusional mind set that limits the physical condition. We humans use tools. This is what makes use unique the animal kingdom. 100 years ago the automobile was considered a dangers tool of the devil - made by man! And that any self respecting person would and should ride a horse. This SAME argument is still hear today it seems, and I guess it always will be. Why are we still making moral judgement about this kind of thing? A person is neither bad or good for wishing to improve his or her physical state. How in good faith can anyone say this???
We all know or have used SO MANY aids in our everyday lives to make use feel better, enjoy the day to day experience. Braces, getting your hair �styled�, tattoos, body piercing, shaving, using the latest protein drinks, the list goes on and on. As a very young child I had to have BOTH of my legs broken an put into a caste for several months as they were severally miss aligned. Docs said I would never be able to run or play in any sports. Well thank GOD (and I do on a fairly consistent basis) my Dad found a progressive surgeon and a way to IMPROVE them. In this case make them normal. To this day I have NEVER had any problems with my knees, hips or ankles. Well, I did play football and got a sprain once or twice.
I say, �Thank you for technology�. Did I �cheat�? Would I have made my situation better just by hard work? Hell no. I want technology, I crave for technology. I wait for the day to have zero gravity sex.... WHOooo HOOOooooo!!!
[This message has been edited by WarLobo (edited August 31, 2000).]
Amateur Bodybuilder
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Again, very well said.....now zero gravity sex....there is something to look forward to.
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Brotha Sour J - you may be sour and you may be a jerk.....but you're OK w/me. Anyone who can admit they were mistaken in my book deserves admiration and respect.
I don't know about the cake, brotha, but anybody else out their care for some HUMBLE PIE?....although it may be to HOT for some to handle.
blondbldr im originally from israel,then california,now ny.
ny aint all that, unless you have mountains of money.
im in my last year of school,when im done outta here!!!!!
im thinking of going back to the golden state.
Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 89
I Want It All!!
If I had the money, I'd have every single flaw taken care of! Hell, I'd have stuff I didn't even need!
Arnold did not have calf implants. He stated many times that he had to hammer them, cause they were not great, but he did have his jaw done. (That was a long time after he was done competing).
Also, the body builder's who have had augmentations, had them after retireing. I'll take it, yesterday!!
Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 96
Big Bump for Warlobo. Thank you for technology. May engineers rule the world!
Elite Bodybuilder
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There you go! There is actually someone on here WORSE THAN ME! I would NEVER have any lipo or breast implants to change my looks nor plastic surgery done. And here is someone who is bragging about having LIPO done! WTF???? At least I am taking the time to try and change my body naturally not overnight by some doctor and his knife, or suction tubes!!
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Ah, it good to have you back posting D, And by the way, how old are you??? Will you still say this when you are in your 40's? 50's? Once you get your body the way you think you want it now, you will want more - want it better. You will see the flaws that some how didn't matter when you were 140+ pounds and so out of shape a squat was defined as how one sits on the can.... The mind will guide your eyes to areas seldom noticed. Suggest improvements you would have never considered. And demand perfection in ways you think outrageous....
It only takes time D, it only takes time.
Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 269
Who gives a rat's ass what others think...you had it done, you are proud of the way you look (will look) so tell them to kiss your ***...
I am all for anyone improving themselves, hard work, diet and rest are the best way but who is to say she is right or wrong...
she did what she wanted !!!!!! End of Story
But Ralphe, you'll shoot your eye out.....!!!
Pro Bodybuilder
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Lobo -
you've such a classy way amidst adversity. ...a true breath of fresh air I'd say.
Cool Novice
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Well, it seems like im repeating myself over and over. DLADY, DO YOU KNOW HOW TO READ? ive already said that i have been training over 10 YES 10 YEARS! Ive competed in shows for about 5 yrs or so. YOU wouldnt know about sacrafice dieting down, training twice a day,working your mind and body into a work of art,and then the strain of judges, only to either win or lose and then be told to do it all over again. But better next time. So please, if you dont know what your talking about be quiet..........shssssssss just concentrate on getting that body of your in shape. i know my body like nobody else and i knew when it was time for any adjustments i made. Now go lift a weight or something! lol
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In defense of myself here I was just stating that ME personally would NEVER have those unecessary procedures made to my body. I dont care if I am 50 yrs old and Have cellulite everywhere I would not do that after just seeing the way they do those things!
All the more power to you gals who do have it done.
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Yup, I've seen them TV shows that document the whole thing.... and I got to agree with you, it was rather nasty. But then so were the people they were doing it on!
I've also seen other operations and, hell, it's all fricking horrid.
Cool Novice
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Talk to me when your 50!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LOLLOLLOL
Amateur Bodybuilder
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Hell, I say go for it. There gets to be a point when that last little bit just doesnt want to come off.
Lipo isnt so bad... some people use DNP, couldnt we say "Oh sure, youll use rat poison to boost your body temperature dangerously high because you dont want to diet!" Nah, it isnt like that...
Personally, ALL I care about is my apperance. I dont care about how much weight I lift, and to be honest, it isnt for my health either. Its purely for superficial reasons.
If you want to look good, you do what needs to be done! What about breast implants, is that cheating, too? Hell no. If you want them, get them... if it makes you feel good about yourself, go for it.
"Naturals" will say that those of us who use AS "cheat".
We who use AS will say that people who use Synthol "cheat".
People who use synthol might say "at least I didnt get calf or tricep implants, those guys CHEAT"
The guys who get implants might think people who get lipo "cheat" (Hey, I might have calf implants, but at least I diet my fat away!)
So y'know, where does it end?
Or is it really none of anyones business but the person who makes that choice? And if they want to share their results with like-minded individuals, good for them! So cmon blondbldr, lets see some before and afters... or even just afters.
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Monster - I liked you before, but now I JUST LOVE YOU!.....smart, eloquent, and HUGE TOO, what more could a girl ask for?
LOBO - you know you are THE BOMB BIGGITY, but I'll say it again, 'cause it is feels good to hear it - I know......I've learned a lot both because you are a wealth of information and, of course, by your example.
Blondie - let's see those pics!....remeber, A thing of beauty is a joy forever!
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I have to say that Congratulations are definatley in order. I'm glad that you are feeling well during your post operative period. I used to work for a group of plastic surgeons. Although Lipo wasn't the plastic surgery I had. I'm all in favor of it. Genentically we can only do so much. Sometimes the only way to rid your body of unwanted fat is to have it surgically removed. You don't have to live with it. Of course you always want to do all you can to take the weight off prior to surgery. But sometimes it just isn't enough.
Make sure you follow all of the doctors orders. I know that girdle isn't fun to wear but you gotta do it. Stay on your healthy diet and excersice program. You should do great!
Best of Luck
Have fun with your new body! You deserve it!!
Dizzy Lizzy
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GUYS YOU REALLY ROCK! As soon as all healing is done i will definitly post some pics. also as soon as i learn how to post some pics1 LOL. Thanx for all your support. but, really it isnt like my bod is totally different. Infact, when people see me they just think ive lost alittle weight. Ive been fairly lean all the time. It was just those nasty little spots.Anyway, soon i promise to send pics. And thanx again. peace
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Bart Cummings is bearing down on Melbourne Cup No.12 and may choose Hong Kong-based Shane Dye to ride the lightly weighted stayer Frightening in tomorrow week's $4.6 million race.
Frightening has only 50kilo- grams in the cup and Dye revealed yesterday: "I have spoken to Bart. I'd be happy to fly down and ride him [Frightening] in the Melbourne Cup," he said.
"I told him I can't come down and ride it in the Mackinnon Stakes on Saturday. He asked me to ride in both races but we have a very big race meeting up here on Saturday and I can't be there.
"Bart said that he would talk it over with his fellow owners and let me know on Tuesday."
Cummings, who also has the AJC Australian Derby runner-up Strasbourg on target for the Melbourne Cup, wasn't giving anything away yesterday in regards to a rider for Frightening. Leading Victorian apprentice Craig Newitt, who rode the Cummings-trained Miss Meliss into 10th place in Media Puzzle's Melbourne Cup last year, picking up $80,000 for connections, was considered a chance to ride Frightening.
But the former Tasmanian's manager Bruce Clark said yesterday Newitt would be the new rider for the Barbara Joseph-trained Ain't Seen Nothin' in the Melbourne Cup.
Newitt will replace local jockey Stephen Baster on Ain't Seen Nothin', which turned in an eye-catching Melbourne Cup trial when fifth in Mummify's Caulfield Cup after travelling five and six wide for the last 800 metres.
Ain't Seen Nothin' rounds off Melbourne Cup preparations in Saturday's Mackinnon Stakes at Flemington with Damien Oliver in the saddle, while Cummings confirmed Strasbourg will start in the weight-for-age event over 2000m.
"There is a strong possibility Frightening may, too," Cummings said yesterday.
Frightening charged home to win the Coongy Handicap at Caulfield last Saturday week with the four-year-old backing up a week later to win the Moonee Valley Gold Cup in slashing style.
"He hasn't left an oat," Cummings said. "He is bright and fresh, it is all good news."
Frightening was bred by Cummings and had been less than honest on the racetrack but the trainer removed the blinkers and the horse has emerged as a genuine Melbourne Cup contender with TAB Fixed Odds shortening him from $41 to $11 following Saturday's win.
"He was getting to the front and thought the job was done but he is a better chaser," Cummings said. "He is a bit older now and more settled."
As for Frightening providing another Melbourne Cup for the trainer, Cummings said: "He has a light weight and is improving as the race gets closer. He has certainly come right at the right time."
Dye declared Frightening's Gold Cup win, under likely Mackinnon Stakes partner Greg Childs, an "impressive Melbourne Cup trial". "There was no doubt it was a nice, tough win," Dye said. "And let's face it, it's not a strong Melbourne Cup."
Cummings said Strasbourg had "thrived since the Caulfield Cup" and was a definite Mackinnon runner.
"I'm really happy with him," he said. "He has really improved and he should be sharp on Saturday."
Corey Brown will once again take the ride on Strasbourg after finishing a luckless ninth in the Caulfield Cup.
"He ran into a few dead ends in the straight," Cummings said. "He left it too late to get out and when he did he got pushed back in. He never got a crack at them."
Another pleased with the Melbourne Cup build-up was Newcastle trainer Kris Lees, who announced a start tomorrow week was now firmly on the agenda for County Tyrone.
The Brisbane and Sydney cups runner-up was galloped on in The Metropolitan at Randwick on October 6 and ground out a tough third with 57kg behind Frightening (53kg) on Saturday.
"We thought the cup was over following the Metrop but the horse is back," Lees said.
Lees said County Tyrone, which was nosed out of 10th place and an $80,000 cheque by Miss Meliss in last year's Melbourne Cup, will go straight into the two-miler.
"The horse will have a solid hit-out at Caulfield on Friday and he will not run on Saturday," Lees said. "He'll go straight into the Melbourne Cup."
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In his novels Sansal draws the attention of Algerians, who have existed as a nation only since the independence of 1962, to potential ways to find their own identity. Indeed, this would seem to be the idea encapsulated in the title of the novel ´Lenfant fou de larbre creux´ (t: The mad child from the hollow tree), which was published in 2000 and won the Michel Dard Literature Prize the following year. Sansal explains how the child, tied up in the courtyard of a prison, stands for the Algerian people in "this giant prison of Algeria. A childish people, blinded, held captive by lies. These people have reached a point where they neither know who they are, where they come from, nor what they want."
In France, the former colonial power, Sansal is celebrated as a linguistic innovator because of his playful use of the French language. In Algeria on the other hand, due to the politically explosive topics of his satirical but poetic novels, he is perceived as a detriment to his country. Nevertheless he continues to reside with his wife and two adult daughters in his homeland and refuses to shield his identity by publishing under a pseudonym. The cheerfulness of Sansals novels speaks for his faith in Algerias future. His most recent work ´Dis-moi le paradis´ ( t: Tell me about paradise, 2003) represents a rough draft for such a future.


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Welcome to the biopolymers for life group at the Royal Institute of Technology (KTH, Stockholm, Sweden) led by Dr. Thomas Crouzier.
We are hosted within the School of Biotechnology, in the department of Glycoscience. This website is a glassdoor to our research group and projects. Please feel free to contact us with any questions or suggestions you might have
We study and engineer one of the natural building blocks of our body: biopolymers. We focus especially on those made of sugars and/or protein.
Biopolymers have a surprising number of responsibilities in our body; they hold cells together to form tissues, they provide subtle chemical signals to cells to guide their behavior, they contribute to the skin's hydration and elasticity, they lubricate our joints and gastrointestinal tracts, and protect us against toxins and pathogens by assembling into the mucus gel that covers our eyes and respiratory tract.
We seek to understand how these natural materials provide the wide range of functionalities that they do in our body. We then engineer new materials that exploit these functionalities.
We are particularly fascinated by the MUCIN biopolymers. They are glycoprotein (~40% protein, ~60% sugars) that form the mucus gels. Better understanding how mucins work is key to addressing many mucus-related diseases such as cystic fibrosis and inflammatory bowel disease.
The mucins in our body hydrate, lubricate, protect, and modulate cell behaviors (see our outreach page to learn more about mucins). As such it may also become a reference biopolymer for new generations of functional biomaterials.
We can harvest mucins from animal secretions or tissues including humans spit, snails slime, pig stomachs, jellyfish, and many others.
I hold a PhD from the University of Montpellier, where I worked with Prof Catherine Picart on layer-by-layer assembly of biopolymer for the delivery of growth factors. I started working with mucin biopolymers during a postdoctoral appointment at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (Cambridge, USA) under the guidance of Prof Katharina Ribbeck. After a short stay at the Ingénierie des Matériaux Polymères lab (Villeurbanne, France) where I worked on chitosan, I started a research group in the division of glycoscience in the school of biotechnology at the Royal Institute of Technology, KTH (Stockholm, Sweden).
I am passionate about science, technology, and their societal impact. I believe that public research should be a public good and that researchers have a duty to reach out to all members of society and to involve them when possible. I also follow closely the recent changes to the research and innovation ecosystem, in particular with the advent of Open Science and Digital Science. I am running a blog on digital tools for researchers and have advised the European commission on these matters.
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BRUSSELS: The Rotterdam museum that fell victim to world's biggest art robbery in years has admitted to Dutch police that there were no security guards on duty when thieves stole seven paintings worth up to $125 million.
The thieves were able to operate without fear of interruption for up to 35 minutes because they knew there were no guards in the Kunsthal museum.
"There was no one in the building and an external security firm went to the Kunsthal when the alarm went off," a police spokesman told the RTV broadcaster. "They discovered the break-in and warned us."
The stolen paintings, including works by Picasso, Monet and Matisse, were from the Triton Foundation art collection, which had never been exhibited before and were on display as part of the museum's 20th anniversary celebrations.
The museum's director, Emily Ansenk, tried to justify the decision, taken in consultation with insurers, to use alarms and security cameras instead of hiring people to guard the premises. "This means we use cameras and an alarm system but no people. We have state-of-the-art security," she said.
Dutch security experts criticised the open-plan layout of the museum, which meant that once the thieves were inside there were no barriers – allowing access to the whole gallery.
A former director of the museum, Wim van Krimpen, admitted the thieves were able to "cherry pick" pictures, increasing suspicion that the paintings might have been stolen to order. "The pieces they robbed were not hung together. They made a careful, informed choice," he said.
Police, who have put 25 detectives on the case, the same number usually used for a murder investigation, said it was still unclear how the thieves entered the building.
Surveillance images from the night of the break-in have failed to provide any clear leads.
The Kunsthal reopened yesterday, including the Avant-gardes gallery from which the paintings were stolen.
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Subject: Re: [htdig] .pdf and .doc-files
From: Gilles Detillieux (email@example.com)
Date: Thu Jun 08 2000 - 07:45:02 PDT
According to David Adams:
> On Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:12:32 -0500 (CDT) Gilles Detillieux
> <firstname.lastname@example.com> wrote:
> > According to Andre Reuber:
> > > I am beginner in operating with htdig. Ist there any possibility
> > > to make a index on .doc, .pdf, .xls, ... files? Do I need any extra
> > > source? Where can I get this source.
> >
> > See http://www.htdig.org/FAQ.html#q4.8
> > and http://www.htdig.org/FAQ.html#q4.9
> >
> > The .xls files may be a bit more of a challenge. I'd recommend using
> > doc2html for .doc & .pdf, and if you find and install the Excel to HTML
> > converter, xlHtml, you could probably add it to doc2html as an extra
> > converter fairly easily (if you have at least a minor understanding
> > of Perl).
> >
> I don't think it is quite so simple: doc2html.pl (and
> parse_doc and conv_doc) only use the "magic number" of the
> file to decide which utility to use for conversion.
> MS Word and Excel files can have the same magic number.
Oh, yuck!
> The easy solution is a separate conversion script for excel
> files. The sophisticated solution is a more advanced
> script which uses the information on MIME type passed to it.
It shouldn't be too hard to patch doc2html to do look at argument no. 2,
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> I hadn't heard of xlHTML and would like to know more.
> As an alternative, there is a simple .xls to .csv
> conversion program available from the same site as catdoc.
I've heard nothing about it other than knowing of it's existance. Back when
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announcing the availability of this program in RPM form. I made a mental
note to look into it someday, but haven't done so yet.
Would a .csv be plain, indexable ASCII text? If so, that should do the
trick too. You still have the problem of differentiating between word
and excel documents in your script in either case.
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Tackling the social roots of health inequities"Throughout the world, people who are vulnerable and socially disadvantaged have less access to health resources, get sicker, and die earlier than people in more privileged social positions," say Alec Irwin and colleagues from the World Health Organization (WHO). Ministries of health, they say, cannot transform social conditions single-handedly, but the health sector can take the lead in advancing an approach to health policy that incorporates actions on the social determinants of health across government departments and wider society. Irwin and colleagues discuss why the WHO has created the Commission on Social Determinants of Health, which aims to strengthen health equity by "catalyzing policy and institutional change to address the social determinants of health within countries, among institutions working in global health, and within WHO itself."
Citation: Irwin A, Valentine N, Brown C, Loewenson R, Solar O, et al. (2006) The Commission on Social Determinants of Health: Tackling the social roots of health inequities. PLoS Med 3(6): e106.
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The Limits of Reductionism in Medicine: Does Systems Biology Offer an Alternative?
"Reductionism pervades the medical sciences and affects the way we diagnose, treat, and prevent diseases," say Andrew Ahn (Harvard Medical School) and colleagues. While reductionism--the idea that complex problems are solvable by dividing them into smaller, simpler units--has been responsible for tremendous successes in modern medicine, say the authors, there are limits to reductionism, and an alternative explanation must be sought to complement it.
An alternative approach that has received much recent attention, they say, is the systems perspective, exemplified by systems biology. "Rather than dividing a complex problem into its component parts," say the authors, "the systems perspective appreciates the holistic and composite characteristics of a problem and evaluates the problem with the use of computational and mathematical tools. The systems perspective is rooted in the assumption that the forest cannot be explained by studying the trees individually." In two linked articles in PLoS Medicine, Ahn and colleagues examine how a systems approach could be valuable for clinical medicine.
Citation: Ahn AC, Tewari M, Poon CS, Phillips RS (2006) The limits of reductionism in medicine: Could systems biology offer an alternative? PLoS Med 3(6): e208.
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Citation: Ahn AC, Tewari M, Poon CS, Phillips RS (2006) The clinical applications of a systems approach. PLoS Med 3(7): e209.
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According to a study, Δ9-Tetrahydrocannabinol inhibits epithelial growth factor-induced lung cancer cell migration in vitro as well as its growth and metastasis in vivo.
The primary cannabinoid of marijuana, Δ9-Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), has been shown to either inhibit or potentiate tumor growth, depending on the cancer type and its pathogenesis. Little is known about activity of cannabinoids such as THC on epidermal growth factor receptor-over expressing lung cancers that are often highly aggressive and resistant to chemotherapy.
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By Leslie Cauley, USA TODAY
RESTON, Va. "I used to be 6-5," quips Sprint (S) CEO Gary Forsee, trying to muster a smile. "I shrank a few inches over the past year."
Forsee hasn't actually lost any height off his 6-foot-2 frame, but he is clearly feeling pressed.
Since his Sprint-Nextel merger closed a year ago, Forsee, 56, has been struggling with a riptide of technical, financial, operational and cultural problems. This perfect storm, as he calls it, has been calamitous for the combined Sprint Nextel.
The numbers tell the story. In the third quarter ended Sept. 30, Sprint added just 233,000 customers, including those getting prepaid phones. The reed-thin net gain included the loss of 188,000 regular subscribers, a feat unheard of in today's go-go wireless industry. Rivals Cingular and Verizon Wireless, in contrast, added 1.4 million and 1.9 million customers, respectively.
Sprint's churn — the percentage of customers who drop off each month — also was eye-popping: 2.4%. That's double Verizon's 1.2% monthly churn. Cingular's rate was 1.8%. No. 1 Cingular, owned by AT&T and BellSouth, has 59 million customers; Verizon, in the No. 2 position, has 57 million. Sprint is No. 3 with 52 million.
Most troubling of all, perhaps, is the flaccid state of Nextel. Customer growth at the carrier, touted as a growth engine when the merger was being promoted, seems to have skidded to a halt.
John Byrne, an analyst at Technology Business Research, says Nextel's subscriber base of 17 million, excluding additions due to mergers, "stands almost exactly where it was" when the Sprint-Nextel deal closed in August 2005.
Byrne says the lack of progress "reflects the shortcomings of Nextel," which had been paring back on network investments for years. But those shortcomings, he says, "were compounded by a lot of strategic missteps" by Forsee and his management team.
Sprint's shares have lost a third of their value since the spring, though they've lately perked up amid renewed promises from Forsee. But it remains to be seen if he can fix things fast enough to satisfy Wall Street.
With Cingular and Verizon reporting banner numbers each quarter, Wall Street's patience won't last long, predicts Roger Entner, a wireless analyst at Ovum. He gives Forsee through the first quarter of 2007 "at the latest" to whip Sprint into shape. "Gary needs to have these things fixed, or somebody will call for his head."
Charles Golvin, a wireless analyst at Forrester, gives Forsee high marks for vision and long-term strategy. "But the challenge is around execution," he says. "That's where all of their pain is at the moment."
A 'third screen' vision
Nobody knows that better than Forsee.
As a chief architect of the Sprint-Nextel merger, he helped sell the $35 billion deal to Wall Street on the notion that the two companies, once married, would become a powerful force in wireless.
STORY: Retiring Sprint chairman feels certain company will succeed
The heart of Forsee's plan is the "third screen" after TVs and laptops — the thumbnail-sized screen now on most cellphones. Forsee plans to use it for cutting-edge services, extending the "digital living room" to the mobile arena.
At the same time, Forsee is making bold bets on the future direction of technology. Sprint has announced plans to build a WiMax network — a wireless network for high-speed Internet access — across the USA and is working with a global village of vendors to help make that happen. Forsee thinks these initiatives, over time, will help draw millions of faithful, new customers.
Forsee, in an interview here at the former Nextel headquarters, makes it clear that he still believes passionately in his vision. But he also admits that Sprint — and his management team, by implication — made some tactical errors in execution early on.
One was a whopper. In its zeal to integrate Sprint and Nextel, Forsee's management team did the one thing no service company can ever afford to do: neglect its customers.
Dumping deadbeats
In Sprint's case, that showed up in myriad ways. Eager to attract new customers, Sprint signed up a lot of deadbeats. The crush of bad accounts helped drive down the average revenue per subscriber. They also soaked up network capacity, in some cases crowding off paying customers.
To remedy the problem, Forsee has lately been pushing Sprint to dump customers who aren't paying their bills (called "involuntary churn" in the industry). The housecleaning was a major factor in Sprint's sky-high churn rates, which are expected to improve as it signs up new, credit-worthy (paying) customers.
A dearth of hybrid cellphones that could handle calls on the Sprint network and also allow customers to use Nextel's "push-to-talk" radio service also hurt. Right now, customers have to use two different phones because the Sprint and Nextel networks aren't compatible.
Sprint promised it would have "dual-mode" phones from Motorola. But more than 15 months after the merger closed, most customers are still waiting. Forsee now says the Motorola phones will be available in "many major markets" over the next few weeks and roll out nationally in 2007.
Sprint, meantime, continued to announce a string of initiatives, including its WiMax project, a national cable TV partnership, and assorted deals for programming to make the cellphone an entertainment device.
The result: Sprint got distracted, and its customers suffered, says Jane Zweig, CEO of The Shosteck Group, a market analysis firm that follows the cellphone industry. "They took on too much."
Zweig says Forsee and his team, in focusing so hard on the future, forgot the Golden Rule of wireless: "Your best customer is your current customer."
Forsee doesn't disagree that Sprint dropped the ball. As for caring for customers, "That's table stakes" in the cellphone game, Forsee says. "You can't do that (neglect customers) and expect to be successful."
Brand confusion
Sprint made other flubs, Forsee says. He now thinks Sprint moved too quickly to phase out the Nextel brand.
The move was aimed at solidifying Sprint as the "master" brand. Instead, he says, it wound up alienating Nextel's famously loyal customer base.
"We could have done that in a more phased fashion," he says.
Forsee says he also underestimated the complexity of trying to integrate third-party sellers of service — known as "affiliate partners" — into the merged company. Sprint wound up in lawsuits and in the end bought seven of them. Total tab: $14.5 billion.
In hindsight, Forsee says, all the legal wrangling, together with the non-stop negotiating sessions required to work out details for each transaction, was a distraction. "In reality, each was a merger that had a residual impact on the full business."
Then there was Embarq, Sprint's local phone business. In keeping with Sprint's agreement with the Justice Department, the division was spun off shortly after the Nextel merger closed.
To complete the transaction, however, Sprint had to painstakingly separate Embarq's operations. That forced Sprint to reverse an integration that had been completed at Forsee's behest just three years earlier.
Among positives notes: Nextel's Boost service, a prepaid calling-card service aimed at younger customers, has taken off like a slingshot. Introduced in 2003, Boost claims more than 3.1 million customers, making it one of Sprint's fastest-growing segments. It does have a high churn — 6.8% a month, or 82% a year.
While Sprint revenue growth is slowing — a concern to investors — its overall revenue per subscriber is still a strong: $61 per customer per month. Verizon claims $51 per subscriber; Cingular claims $50. It's also throwing off a lot of cash, more than $2 billion so far this year.
Taking full control
Forsee in August fired a shot across the bow of his own ship: He canned his chief operating officer, Len Lauer, and took over day-to-day operations. Says Forsee: "I'm where the buck stops."
Forsee declines to discuss the events that led up to Lauer's removal. But he says it was necessary to refocus Sprint and "change the pace" of progress. "It was my decision."
Lauer's abrupt removal led to some speculation that Forsee's job was on the line. Asked if this is true, Forsee pushes back, ever so slightly: "No one will ever put more pressure (on me) to make sure we deliver than I do."
Tim Donahue, Nextel's former chief and Sprint's current chairman, says the board is "100% supportive" of Forsee. But he also says there is a limit to its patience.
"From my perspective as chairman, Gary has the complete support of the board at this point in time," says Donahue, who is stepping down at the end of the year. "But who knows over time? This team has to execute."
You won't get disagreement from Forsee. A 30-year telecommunications veteran, Forsee has staked his reputation and that of his company on his belief that the $35 billon gamble known as Sprint Nextel can change the world of wireless. Now, it's showtime.
"We think the building blocks are in place," says Forsee. "Now, we just have to execute."


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- Writer Andrew Morton has the deets on Angelina Jolie's connection to Princess Di. [PopEater]
- Amy Poehler and Will Arnett welcomed son Abel. [The Huffington Post]
- Cops allowed Giuliani's daughter to have a precinct makeover. [NewYorkPost]
- Here's video of Enrique Iglesias water skiing naked. [Guanabee]
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Mountain Pointe senior-to-be Cole Tucker made the cut made cut for 18U National Baseball Team Trials.
The Pride shortstop is among the 40 players remaining that will head to California in August for some exhibitions games. The will eventually be cut to 20 players and they will head to Taiwan for the 18U World Cup.
Team Trials are in mid-August in Los Angeles, where they will select the 20 who will compete in the XXVI IBAF 18U Baseball World Cup in Taichung, Aug. 30-Sept. 7.
Team USA won the gold medal at last year's IBAF 18U Baseball World Championships.
Of the 40 players selected, 38 were among the 144 who participated in the Tournament of Stars, a five-day event at the USA Baseball National Training Complex that ended Sunday. Five of the 38 players were selected from last fall's National Team Identification Series.


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Andy loves his Mormons. He's probably at his house right now eating some double stuffs, contemplating what BYU players he should take in the first 7 rounds. Telling his kids they are retarded for not growing a mustache like his. "Listen kids if you want a real high, screw Heroin, grow a F'ing mustache". Then everyone has to take you serious. Do you agree this has to be Andy's last year to get a SuperBowl? I don't think he has the balls to win the big game. I hope i'm wrong but it seems like he is afraid to make the big decisions and always plays it safe.
I'm interested to see how quick Curtis can pick up the offense. Is he going to be the number one receiver or is Downtown Reggie Brown?
I'm not sure about Reid. You can't argue w/ the win/loss record he's put up since he got here. He's made some really, really controversial decisions, including taking McNabb over Ricky Williams, but most of them have paid off. I'd like to see him get another chance in the playoffs w/ his team intact.
I don't think Curtis will have a problem picking up the offense. Stallworth picked it up last year after coming in late. I'd say Brown is the #1, Curtis #2, but he could slip to #3, he'd probably be better out of the slot than baskett, and now baskett is the only size they have at WR.
I think Brown is the number 1. He's earned it. I'm a little worried that the Eagles don't have much size at WR. Baskett is really going to have to emerge as the guy that'll go across the middle, and win the jump ball in the red zone. That's a tall order.
earned it?! i think it depends more on who gets the most separation. my money's on curtis!
You could be right, but I see Brown as the go-to WR, Curtis as the deep threat.


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Clad in a comfortably chic black silk Maxfield dress, cinched at the waist with a golden belt, and wooden platform sandals to carry her natural beauty and confidence, Patricia Arquette (aka the "Bonsai Aphrodite") shared that she has always "felt like a secret Mexican" because her first words were, "In 1519 I lived."
For those needing a refresher in Mexican history, that was the year Spanish adventurer, Hernán Cortés, landed in Veracruz and began his conquest of the Aztec empire. So, it seemed fitting that Arquette would travel to the Riviera Maya Film Festival to promote her new film, A Glimpse Inside the Mind of Charles Swan III, directed by Roman Coppola.
During a press encounter at the exclusive Fairmont Mayakoba (check out the pic below!), Arquette spoke candidly about artistry and the arts, personal history, her acting process, aging ("getting comfortable with yourself is one of the gifts of age"), the conglomeration of Hollywood, social causes (she is deeply involved in Haiti), and of course, Charles Swan III, which co-stars Charlie Sheen Jason Schwartzman and Bill Murray.
Of her old friend and director, Roman Coppola, Arquette said that "to know Roman is to really love Roman" and that making Charles Swan III was "like hanging out with your friends."
When asked by celebs.com what, if anything, Arquette always takes from home when she is on location, she replied, "A toothbrush. Have toothbrush, can travel."
A red carpet event and screening of A Glimpse Inside the Mind of Charles Swan III followed at the Unico Beach Club in Puerto Morelos, Mexico.
For those in the US, you can check out the film on on DVD, and, in case you missed how awesome the promo posters were for this film, check them out again, below:
A special report by Ellen Gonda from the 2013 Riviera Maya Film Festival, Mexico