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Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lying During Newscasts
March 2, 2011 at 4:14 PM 166 comments
News Corp., the parent company of Fox News, was hoping to open a propaganda branch in Canada — called "Sun News TV" (or "Fox North"). It was hoping its crony in Ottawa, winger Prime Minister Stephen Harper, would be successful in overturning a law prohibiting lying on broadcast news. (Imagine that. There is a law in Canada prohibiting lying during newscasts. How civilized.) But, thank goodness there is still some sanity in the world; they were wrong:
As America's middle class battles for its survival on the Wisconsin barricades – against various Koch Oil surrogates and the corporate toadies at Fox News – fans of enlightenment, democracy and justice can take comfort from a significant victory north of the Wisconsin border. Fox News will not be moving into Canada after all! The reason: Canadian regulators announced last week they would reject efforts by Canada's right-wing Prime Minister, Stephen Harper, to repeal a law that forbids lying on broadcast news.
Canada's Radio Act requires that "a licenser may not broadcast … any false or misleading news." The provision has kept Fox News and right-wing talk radio out of Canada and helped make Canada a model for liberal democracy and freedom. As a result of that law, Canadians enjoy high quality news coverage, including the kind of foreign affairs and investigative journalism that flourished in this country before Ronald Reagan abolished the "Fairness Doctrine" in 1987.
Political dialogue in Canada is marked by civility, modesty, honesty, collegiality, and idealism that have pretty much disappeared on the US airwaves. When Stephen Harper moved to abolish the anti-lying provision of the Radio Act, Canadians rose up to oppose him fearing that their tradition of honest non-partisan news would be replaced by the toxic, overtly partisan, biased and dishonest news coverage familiar to American citizens who listen to Fox News and talk radio. Harper's proposal was timed to facilitate the launch of a new right-wing network, "Sun TV News" which Canadians call "Fox News North."
Something like this would never happen in the US because the people in Washington work for the corporations, not for the good of the country but, again, it's nice to know sanity still exists somewhere in the world.
Congratulations Canada!
Now we wait to see if "Sun News TV" agrees not to lie, something I think it's incapable of. Telling the truth isn't part of its consciousness or its business model.
UPDATED 1-12-12 @6:47 p.m. ET: Thanks to all for the lively, well-informed and thought-provoking comments. I would like to say a few things: The person who put this post up is no longer with me. After reading some of what has been said here, I followed the links through and I believe this is where the (inaccurate) assertion that News Corp. owns Sun News came from:
The run-up to the licensing of Sun TV News spurred passionate debate about whether Canadians will embrace a news channel modelled on the successful Fox News Channel in the U.S.
Quebecor Media¹s chances of landing a license for the upstart cable channel were dealt a blow when it was revealed that Canadian prime minister Stephen Harper and representatives of Quebecor Media had secretly lunched in New York City with Rupert Murdoch and Fox News president Roger Ailes.
That forced Peladeau to disavow any links between Sun TV News and Fox News, as critics claimed, or that Harper¹s conservative government had conspired to bring a Fox-style news channel to Canada.
A link to that article is contained in the post one goes to when one clicks on "they were wrong" in the first paragraph above. I apologize for not having noticed this error at the time this post went up and though, again, I did not compose it or post it, since this is my blog, it is my responsibility.
Second, there is this about Fox broadcasting in Canada now:
In 2003, the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC) rejected a Canadian Cable Telecommunications Association (CCTA) application to bring Fox News to Canada because Fox News U.S. and Global Television were planning to create Fox News Canada, a combination of U.S. and Canadian news. However in 2004, after a Fox U.S. executive said there were no plans to create the combined channel, the CRTC approved an application to bring Fox News to Canada.[77]
Fox News Channel is currently offered by Access Communications, Bell TV, Cogeco, Eastlink, Manitoba Telecom Services, Rogers, SaskTel, Shaw Cable, Shaw Direct and Telus TV. A notable exception is Vidéotron, Canada's third largest cable company, which has not added Fox News Channel to its lineup.
I don't know if the individual who put up this post was aware of the above information — I would say not — but though the article says an application was approved to bring Fox News to Canada, despite some quick research, I do not get the impression that Fox News has a channel broadcast from Canada, staffed with Canadians, aimed at Canadians. Far as I can tell, the Fox News seen in Canada is the Fox News produced out of New York City, and it is the same version we see here in the states. So, again, far as I can tell, Fox still hasn't been granted permission to produce a separate, Canadian-centered news show in Canada.
So, I hope this addresses some of the very good points made on the comment thread. Again, this is my blog and I take full responsibility for the post but prior to today I had no idea it contained such major flaws, primarily the clear implication that News Corp. owns Sun News.
I am the only one posting here as of roughly seven months ago and I insofar as I believe propaganda spread by Fox and the U.S. corporate media is literally a threat to our democracy, I take facts and accuracy dead seriously and I apologize that the flaws in this post weren't corrected immediately.
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Which really shows that the right believes that lying is perfectly OK as long as it helps them stay on top. Such good morals!!
Oh, Canada…..
this the reson why men like us are in the position we are in
I so dislike Fox News and I can deal with the truth!
Misleading. Sun News is not owned, operated, or in any way affiliated with News Corp. It's owned by Quebecor Media – a different company. People are calling the idea "Fox North" as farce slang because of parallels. So no, Fox wasn't shut out of Canada. Get your facts right.
Missing information in this article or perhaps not broad enough…. Fox news as we know it , does air in Canada, Fox News Channel is currently offered by Access Communications, Bell TV, Cogeco, Eastlink, Manitoba Telecom Services, Rogers, SaskTel, Shaw Cable, Shaw Direct and Telus TV. A notable exception is Vidéotron, Canada's third largest cable company, which has not added Fox News Channel to its lineup.
Sun TV Network is up and running however, they have a Category 2 license. They originally wanted a Cat 1 license which would have given Sun News the same status as CTV News Channel and CBC News Network, in that it would have required all Canadian digital television providers (both cable and direct broadcast satellite) to carry and offer Sun News to their customers should those carriers have the capability to do so.
Cat 2 is non-mandatory (cable and satellite carriers are not compelled to carry such channels
the fact that we don't have a law like this is very revealing.
Gee..could this zo called "news" story be any more biased? I doubt it severely. With the use of such loaded words as "cronies" and "lying". We have become a society that has mangled the definition of the word "lie" to someone encompass any inaccuracy. And a "crony" is anyone who agrees with anyone with whom we diagree. Sad.
And just who is in charge of what the TRUTH is?
I know freedom of speech is so so important, but to allow "professional" well backed "news" corps to intentionally lie and get away with it with impunity does not leave a good taste in one's mouth. I know it is not always easy to discern what is the truth but to just throw up one's hands and let anyone on our communications networks just say anything they want to doesen't seem right either. I guess in the long run these inapprpriate news agencies will "cook their own goose" but what a mess it causes untill that time. A law like Canada has seemed to work for them. I saw an interview during a political campaign from Canada last year and I was actually amazed at how respectful and reasonable these political foes talked about the issues and not slinging "mud" at one another. You could tell in an instance it was not from the U.S. Shame on the U.S. for not standing up for "not" taking the time and effort to stand up for truth and letting well funded organizations spew untruths/lies and "muddy the waters".
Yes I would love to have this in the US, We could have a whole entertainment channel dedicated to the "truth police". We would not have any broadcast news at all. My guess is that the "liberal democrats" news is popular in Canada. Here in the US all but Fox give left wing propaganda news. Basically they tell new (or omit news) in such a way that promotes the left wing democrats. We have Fox to balance them out.
Bill Randolph, there is no bias in calling Fox News dishonest. They have a well-established list of purposeful misrepresentation and outright fabrications. These are not inaccuracies. There is a reason Prime Minister Harper is labeled a "crony." Fox advances his agenda and Harper has gone to some lengths to try to circumvent his country's law in their favor. You're sad, just another sad victim. Wake up!
Fact is – they couldn't get a Cat 1 iicense . What does that tell you. You can pick it apart anyway you want but they had to settle for the cable stations. Probably because FAUX News tells lies all the time and are called out on their lies. They don't care – the next night they are up to it again. Good for you Canada. Keep thie Cat. 2.
"Misleading. Sun News is not owned, operated, or in any way affiliated with News Corp. It's owned by Quebecor Media – a different company. People are calling the idea "Fox North" as farce slang because of parallels."
What kind of parallels? The "lying-misinforming-false-news" kind of parallels? lol
@Bill Randolph. The intense bias and misinformation of Fox News in America is not an interpretation, but a fact. There is no way that agenda filled hate channel could ever be categorized as a news source. To think that News Corp isn't doing what they can to influenced Canadians is an equally silly idea.
In 1969 the United States Supreme Court upheld the FCC's general right to enforce the Fairness Doctrine where channels were limited. But the courts did not rule that the FCC was obliged to do so. The courts reasoned that the scarcity of the broadcast spectrum, which limited the opportunity for access to the airwaves, created a need for the Doctrine. However, the proliferation of cable television, multiple channels within cable, public-access channels, and the Internet have eroded this argument, since there are plenty of places for ordinary individuals to make public comments on controversial issues at low or no cost.
I SO wanted this to be true. But it clearly is a bit of a fantasy.
It appears Fox News passed muster to get into Canada in 2004!
Interesting. I hope the law also covers ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC CBC and any other media outlet!
Love this story!
Every News Broadcast does the same stuff, it is a matter of whose side they are on that determines if they are right or wrong. If we had this law in the US every single one of our news channels would be in trouble. Like i say Democrats and Republicans are the flip side to the same coin, so are the news networks that push their agendas. They all do the same stuff, protected by loopholes and laws that have a time and place but are misused in themselves. So instead of making more laws that lawyers will just find ways around or ways to reword the known interpretation, how about everyone just get into the habit of researching information once in a while. Statistics and historical events come from somewhere, and are usually listed on websites of a dozen other agencies that have no specific bias (Everyone has some kind of bias,if they say they don't they are probably either lying to you or themselves) and then the people can come up with their own opinion. Canada's laws work for them for one reason, but what works for them might not be as beneficial to us for our own reasons.
Hurray to my northern friends.
@ guy frechette: "Basically they tell new (or omit news) in such a way that promotes the left wing democrats. We have Fox to balance them out." (They being left wing propaganda news). So having Fox do the "same thing" that you accuse the left side of doing = balanced news, then your an idiot. That just means both sides are lying and everyone is getting misinformation. How is that good? Or balanced?
The US should have a law regarding the credibility of the news, I see both sides taking comments out of context and misrepresenting the other side. It would be nice to have fair and balanced news, but there is none in the US.
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Liberal way " if i dont agree its wrong and kill it"
Conservative way " If I dont agree I will watch another channel."
which idea is a threat to American vales ?
Canada is ahead of us on THIS!!
Revealed! Steve Harper's secret plan to take over the CRTC and launch Sun TV
Aug 19, 2010, Source: Toronto Life
Lawrence Martin wrote a juicy column for the Globe today about Steve Harper's push for Sun TV, a conservative news station that would be akin to his own version of Fox TV. After the CRTC rejected Sun TV's bid for a licence in July (saying there was "little to distinguish Sun TV from other all-news services"), Martin says Harper and Quebecor's Pierre Karl Péladeau and Kory Teneycke (a former Harper spokesperson) are trying to oust the head of Canada's entertainment bureaucracy. Here's what we learned today:
1. CRTC chair Konrad von Fickenstein's term is slated to end in 2012, but insiders report that Harper wants him out ASAP to replace him with someone more amenable to Sun TV.
2. Von Fickenstein either loves his job or really wants to mess with Harper. He's been offered ambassadorships in Chile and judgeships but hasn't given in. Is heading up the CRTC really better than having your own cook at a villa in Santiago?
3. CRTC vice-chair Michel Arpin's term expires this month, and his request to stay longer has been denied. One down, one to go.
4. Greg Weston, one of Sun Media's top political columnists, was promptly shuffled out by Teneycke when he took over the political coverage. You may remember Weston for breaking the G20 fake lake story.
5. The front-runner to replace either Arpin or Von Fickenstein is Luc Lavoie, Péladeau's top crony. Appointing Lavoie might give away Harper's intent to stack the CRTC, but Martin isn't putting it past him.
Canada sux, plain and simple. I'll take the freedom we have in the states to the pro-Marxist BS crap Canada has to offer.
Our beloved constitution permits nearly all speech to be rendered without penalty. Some of the exceptions are when the speech constitutes a crime, i.e., fraudulent communication intended to get someone to give you something of value, threats, bribes, telephone harassment, yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater (inducing panic), etc. Lying is permitted because it is difficult to prove. The fact spoken must be proved to be a lie and, it must be proved that the speaker was aware it was untrue. Too many allegations are opened to interpretation, and the justice system has enough B.S. taking up its resources without increasing the amount of free-speech litigation by God-knows how much. It is up to us and the press to reveal to the rest of the world that someone is lying or otherwise being disingenuous. We like Canada's position but we cherish, even die, for our own.
how wonderful at least Canada has sum decency
There *was* a law in the US. It was the Fairness Doctrine. Look it up on Wikipedia. Reagan killed it.
Ummm…Freedom of speech does go both ways in America. It allows us to say what we would like, regardless of validity. Which means TV personalities, being American citizens, are offered the same rights. With that said, we, as Americans, have a responsibility to filter out the bullshit and get the facts….which is why I don't get my news from Fox; I get my news from the BBC.
Of course, they love to take advantage of the lines between "editorial" versus "News." If you repeat something often enough, it becomes thier truth.
The only lie I find is this complete and total bullshit report!! Fox and Fox News is openly broadcasting all over Canada! In FACT Fox is carried by most cable and satellite providers. Just another Left Wing NUT passing bullshit like Obama spends money! So you can stop your CRAP!
Way to go Canada! I do, however, laugh at Americans who think the only "overly partisan" news outlet is FOX. MSNBC is just as bad, and CNN has its moments for sure.
But it is typical for Americans to only assail the side they disagree with. FOX news people hate MSNBC, and MSNBC people hate FOX. In effect, it is a mirror of the failed two party system, which keeps citizens fighting citizens instead of all citizens eyes being on Washington as they should be.
Turn off the MSM folks.
Dear Canada,
Do not let FOX into your country! They will convince people that their own government is bad and that all poor people are lazy and govt workers are useless (before they tell you govt doesn't create jobs)….and some of us Americans may be looking for a FOX-free zone!
A similar law exists in the UK relating to the broadcast media generally and in particular news coverage. NewsCorp is a significant bu minority stock holder in British Sky Broadcasting (BSkyB), which has a rolling news channel Sky News. The channel – for its flaws of which there are many – is relatively balanced in its coverage. It's also notable that it loses out big time to the BBC News channel that has both legal and constitutional duties to be entirely impartial.
There is also a 'fit and proper persons' in UK law that dictates who may or may not hold a broadcasting license. Interestingly there was much debate recently as to whether NewsCorp would fail to meet this criteria if its bid to take over the whole of BSkyB – it withdrew its move following the reason scandal that has enveloped its popular UK news titles.
Can't say any of this goes to improve the quality of our political discourse – and Fox (US version) is available here – but it remains a weird curiosity and totally at odds with broadcast journalism as a whole.
I would not say that Fox News Lies , just go to this link and see what happened when a protestor was spotted by a Fox News reporter.
Here's the link :
Whoever wrote the italicised option must have been tripping on something fabulous if they really believe all the wonderful things said about Canadian news media. Before opting to change career paths I was a reporter for a (albeit smalltime) newspaper, and to think that Canada has considerably more journalistic integrity than the US and is some kind of shining beacon of hope for the rest of the world is absurd. I'll certainly agree that much of our media is more informative and holds less bias and what have you than something akin to Fox News, but to say that in Canada, "Political dialogue in Canada is marked by civility, modesty, honesty, collegiality, and idealism that have pretty much disappeared on the US airwaves" is a stretch.
Sorry, that should have read "italicised portion" not option.
Who can be comfortable with the idea of the government determining what's true and what's not? That's not democracy
The Irony here is that 'Fox News' like the actual News Corp Fox News started broadcasting in Canada in 2008 as a CRTC 2 News Station
No, you mean…'they work for the [people]' [sic]
There is quite a bit of misinformation above:
1) Sun News is not owned by News Corp. There is no relation to it, nor to Fox News.
2) The italicized section in the article comes not from a legitimate news source, but from an editorial by RFK Jr in the Huffington Post. Editorials traditionally blend (& substitute) truth with opinion, false logic and hyperbole.
3) If you find the original story about this controversy, in the Globe and Mail (on 2/25/11), you will see that the inquiries into the changing of the law started in the mid-90's under PM Jean Chretien (of the Liberal Party), after the law was said to violate a Supreme Court decision regarding freedom of expression. Parliament's joint committee for the scrutiny of regulations had a "10-year bid to get the regulation to comply with the law", and they just ended it. This started with a different political party in power, and long before Stephen Harper.
It's always a bad idea for the Government to censor/control the media.
Even with partisan hacks like Fox out there polluting the airwaves. Who gets to decide what's "misleading" and "true"? The Government? That's a joke-and-a-half. The networks should (and typically do) hold one another accountable. Ezra Levant publishing the Muhammad cartoons a few years back is a good example of Canada's government having too much power over the media up there. It's a slippery slope.
Who determines what is a lie? I'm glad we don't have this law in the U.S.
whose truth is right.Look at all the global warning e-mails that were found where they knew they were nmanipulating research."I never had sex with that woman"(oral sex is the same as short meeting with benefits.Sex before eight or its too late(from one group)The government is evil so noone should pay taxes.Ad on it goes.Across the board censorship is bad.Children have to be protected but to say that no vopposings views are tru is bad.
So exactly who was the person who said FOX news lied? I'm glad I live in the U.S. and have the freedom of the press. This is exactly how communist or regimes in general can take over a country by limiting views of others.
Also, Fox news is broadcasted in Canada, i'm not sure what Sun News is.
Go Canada! Keep it real!
Who defines "truth"? I believe there are absolute truths, but I'm wary of a government that would pronounce what speech is/isn't "truth", and then "ban" the speech it declares a "lie". I thank God that our government doesn't do this. It flies directly in the face of the right we have as free humanity to free public speech.
Let's hope sanity is contagious.
Intelligent people, more needs to happen where ever Fox airs.
@ Say It Ain't So Already –
"Again, it isn't about truth or lies. It's about facts."
You seem to be lacking facts, see my earlier post: #48…who does your research?
I'm getting ready to become a Canadian Citizen…NOBODY hates Canada, or wants to blow them up…America has been going down for years….so sad, we used to be mostly upright.
That law wouldn't work here. To remain in power the news is used to push opinions. Quite simply they do not want you informed- before the senate signed the "military authorization act" it wasn't mentioned on any of the networks… coincidence? Wake up!!! Ever notice why the newscasters speak in "monotone"? It's to lull you in to a state of acceptance or "trance" so it make their opinions, your opinions. Don't think so? look at someone watching the news- they are in a trance. Ever hear someone regurgitating the news like it's their own original opinion? Your a smart person, if you were trying to take over the world wouldn't the news be your most valuable weapon? Stop thinking that these people care about your well-being, watch movies like "Thrive" and "Ziet-Giest" and pry your eyes open before it's too late. What used to be considered conspiracy theory is now just common knowledge.
1983, Peter Jennings interviews US Army officer about certain aspects of Reforger Preparations at Ft. Bragg BC. US Army officer talks distances in terms of metrics and the English system(inches, feet, etc). Later Peter is on the Nightly News blasting America saying we don't use the Metric System and that America is bad……20 years later Peter Jennings is running a special report on the Invasion of IRAQ and is talking via sattelite to an Army officer who talks about distances in terms of miles and feet. Peter Jennings finishes interview and then disgustedly says "I don't see why the American Military can't use the metric system, all the other nation of the world and their military do…" (As an aside, we were told to use English system in the army when talking to american reporters b/c the US uses the old imperial system) Clearly Jennings comments were biased in and of themselves….You're not going to get honest news…hell by definition news doesn't have adjectives..its bland and factual…most americans don't want factual…..they want lies and hype…
I am so proud of Canada =o}
I LOVE me some Canada…
It's a shame we have something called the First Amendment that prohibits the Congress from passing such a law.
Yes Fox is a bunch of Liars, So are a lot of political commentators on both sides. I figured it out. So did enough Americans to elect Obama. Oh, but you want a censorship board to prevent me from figuring out he is another one.
This type of rhetoric is EXACTLY why the left gets such scant support in the United States.
Go Canada!!!
Why do people keep saying this is misleading? Its plain false. Sun News TV is not remotely connected to Fox News or its parent company News Corp.
The Station is up and running on 16 channels. Fox News is also aired in Canada.
Spend 5 minutes on google and you can find the real story. Which is simply they wanted Category 1 status and were only able to get Cat 2 status. Thats it. They weren't blocked and there most definitely broadcasting.
I am absolutely astounded at how many comments on here along the lines of "whose truth", or "who gets to decide what is a lie".
Are you all making a joke? A lie is a statement that is untrue, and, in this situation, can be proven to be untrue.
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well done, never even new they had such a law, its just obvious isnt it really,
Dear Canada,
I deeply apologize for the idiot remarks left here by some of my fellow countrymen. rest assured, i'm extremely embarrassed.
to the idiots:
REAL journalists DON'T EXHIBIT BIAS. end of story. i learned that from day one in school, but the past few decades has seen a marked decline in the value of principles and professionalism in the TV news industry. REAL JOURNALISTS DO NOT EXHIBIT BIAS. a real journalist will never reveal their political leanings, because it is their job to report impartially and objectively. real journalists in america are nearly extinct, and we have rupert murdoch to thank for his sensationalist bullshit, MSNBC for following suit, and CNN for stooping to their level.
do you left wingers really believe that all other channels besides FOX actually report fairly and unbiased? CNN, NBC, MSNBC etc etc, they all distort at best and lie at the worst.
@ Say It Ain't So Already –
You have a staff of 600 for this blog?
I followed your links: one goes to another of your posts, which gives no other links or sources; and the second just goes to the RFK editorial. The only "link" between News Corp/Fox News and Sun News is that they are both right-wing cable news sources. But, of course, you didn't say there was a "link" in your original post, you said: "News Corp., the parent company of Fox News, was hoping to open a propaganda branch in Canada — called "Sun News TV" – and there is nothing factual about that opening statement (except that News Corp is, in fact, the parent company of Fox News).
As you seem to agree that this (the push to overturn the law) started in the 90's, under a Liberal PM, it pretty much negates the argument (or at least your support thereof) that RFK Jr. was making: that this was a controversial, almost conspiratorial, political move by a Conservative PM.
Posting misinformation does nothing to further your cause, it only arms your readers with useless ammo.
To prove something to be untrue would required a jury to make that finding by a "preponderance of the evidence" in a civil trial, or "beyond a reasonable doubt" in a criminal trial. Litigating this stuff would be like having the refs review every single play of a football game immediately after it is over. This law would shut down the judicial system in no time.
The US should treat news the same way…if it aint true don't run it !
Comment 68 is a perfect example of the poor dodering fools who suck up everything Fox news, Lush Rimjob, and Yawn Insanity have to say…the kind who WILL vote against they're own best interests in order to achieve ???? I really don't know what, the republicans idea of no taxs for the rich..let the little guy pay for everything has destroyed the economy no less than three times, 1st the great depression, 2nd the Reagan/Bush recession and again with little George but they never change their tune…lets try it again…I'm SURE it will work THIS time. Let your kids go without an education, let your parents and grandparents dye under an overpass with nothing to live on, let your baby die because it has no health insurance and lets give EVERYTHING to only the VERY wealthiest in the land. THAT'S Republican politics for you AS WELL AS THOSE democrats who have been bought off and there's a bunch of them!!!
FOX news is all about spreading the Bull shart!
I don't know why people think that Fox News is the Anti-Christ of the world. As far as I know, every damn news organization lies. Actually, to tell you the truth, Fox News is the only news organization I have seen that doesn't lie. They give you the facts like it is. Sure, they are conservative to a fault, and they are very Republican based, but we don't need truths around here, the truth is different for everyone. No, we want facts, and Fox News delivers on that.
Canada shuts out Fox once again.
Who will be the judge?
@Luthergravy: Your "Fox News reporter" clearly identifies himself as an impersonator at both the beginning and end of his video clip.
While you are certainly entitled to your opinions regarding Fox News as well as other news outlets, please kindly refrain from engaging in actively "misleading" those who read your comments. It would be a shame to be tarred with the same brush that is being applied to Fox and Sun here.
Fox News is the propaganda wing of the GOP. Nothing more, nothing less. Get real, peeps. Goebbels would be proud.
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Before everyone thinks Canada has great programming because of the CRTC-think about this. The Dire Straits song "Money For Nothing" (a 25+ year old song) was recently banned because a listener phoned in and complained about the word 'faggot'. The song now has to be edited or radio stations face large fines.
I am reminded of the old Russian joke about the News papers Izvestia and Pravda. News and truth, are the translation. The joke goes there is no news in truth or truth in news.
Liberals for government censorship unite!
I agree.. there should be a law in the US as well, but I think you would be surprised to see which news channels telling the falsehoods. I can bet it would not be Fox but rather CNN and MSNBC. The Fox ratings alone tell the real story. People are sick of bleeding harts that want to play robin hood with other peoples money. If you want more in life than get a job and put your hands into your own pockets. I am sick of paying for you.. I work hard and have spent the last 10 years building a business – I don't think you deserve a penny of it. Put your tent away and spend you time at work and maybe, just maybe, you will have enough money as to where you don't need money from Uncle Sam. With that said, I do have to give credit to the blog owner who corrected the facts.. We may have differing views but truth is what matters most.
We can see different local fox news shows, not the main stuff like Bill O Reilly though. I can only watch that psycho on youtube.
If lying were "outlawed" in Canada, every major US network would be outlawed. If you think Fox is the only channel stretching the truth, you are extremely naive. Last I checked ABC is basically the Obama kiss-a$$ channel.
Alberta, Canada
This is too bad, I wonder how much of this really goes on every where, then again. I probably dont want to know.
they all lie to benefit their causes and the lobbyist that work for the companies that pay for their positions. The news has been lying to us for years. Are you sure you are from the USA?
All depends on who 'owns' you….
They can pick up broadcasts from the US, but they want to broadcast Canadian news lies like they do in the US…..Big difference. Just because they can pick up something from this country is a quite bit different than broadcasting from where thy want to…LOL
Its a documented fact most of the U.S. News channels have blocked out or smeared Ron Paul, a 2012 presidential candidate for his anti-establishment ideas. Very sad considering he is antiwar and pro-liberty. Americans are dumb. America has become everything our founding fathers warned us against.
All the little people, even us Canadians, must think for ourselves. No talking head, no matter how convincingly suave, savvy, or pretty with long eyelashes, is to be believed unilaterally.
Liars live here too, but they must be covert, careful. The punishment for being caught outright lying is grave. A bare-assed liar in January in the Great White North is not where you want to be, sinceriously. You can trust me; I am Canadian. =;-)
"Canadian regulators announced last week they would reject efforts by Canada's right-wing Prime Minister, Stephen Harper, to repeal a law that forbids lying on broadcast news."
The CRTC was created by federal statute and federal statutes are created, amended, and repealed by Parliament, where the Prime Minister holds majorities in both houses. If the Prime Minister were sufficiently determined to change the CRTC's powers, he could do so, over both their objections and the Opposition's.
Fox themselves have admitted that they lie and deceive:
"The attorneys for Fox, owned by media baron Rupert Murdoch, argued the First Amendment gives broadcasters the right to lie or deliberately distort news reports on the public airwaves.
In its six-page written decision, the Court of Appeals held that the Federal Communications Commission position against news distortion is only a "policy," not a promulgated law, rule, or regulation. Fox aired a report after the ruling saying it was "totally vindicated" by the verdict."
Cella, you state it correctly. In Canada, the "American" Fox News is accessible via cable/satellite as are all the other US networks. The difference being is that it is not a "Canadian-based" Fox News focused on Canadian politics, etc.
The Sun-TV that some are referring to as "Fox North" is a Fox Wanna-Be, for sure, but it is mostly talking-heads spewing COMMENTARY and opinion-pieces. Not the same as pretending to present actual news, a la Fox.
Something else to keep in mind, is that Fox News is 24-hr, and very much of that is spin, commentary and opinion shows (The Five, Hannity, O'Reilly, Cavuto, etc.) but most people are intellectually unable to separate that from "news".
yeah, big surprise . . .
Whoa…if you don't like Fox, don't watch. But to want the government to outlaw it for everybody else is an afront to freedom. By the way, MSNBC is also banned. I'm not a Canadian, so if all they want to have available to them is government-approved news, more power to them. That's what the North Koreans, Chinese and Iranians get to watch too. Whoo hoo…way to aspire, Canucks! I prefer having the freedom of choice to ignore Ed Schultz, Rachel Maddow, etc. And judging by MSNBC's ratings, so do most Americans.
And while the Canadian government controls where its residents get their news, it allows sealers to beat and skin 300,000 baby seals in its infamous annual seal slaughter. Shame on Canada!
From your comments above I am concluding that no law exists that prohibits lying in news broadcasts.
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What an utter load of crap.
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Dude, please tell me you are a very clever troll(sorry I just always gotta say it before I rant :-P )
"The Fox ratings alone tell the real story" How does that justify truth? Just because they have a lot of viewers, that doesn't mean they aren't truthful. It's like that saying from elementary school "What is popular is not always right and what is right is not always popular".
And what people are trying to take your money? If anything, it's the banks and government. I just recently gained employment. I'm 21. I was employed for 2 years in fast food before quitting. I went almost a year without steady work and not for lack of trying. It is rough out there these days. I work hard for what little money I do make. Not everybody has the same experiences, opportunities, chances.
Does that make it right for somebody to sit on their ass and collect unemployment without really doing anything(like my 30 year old brother)? No. But what about those people who are willing to work, who are really trying but cant get employment due to the economy or the area they live in or low experience? Don't they deserve a break so they can at least eat and keep a roof over their heads?
Most of the people protesting Wall Street do have jobs, and the ones that don't, can't get jobs(see above). They aren't jealous because these people made so much money. They are pissed because 1% owns most of the wealth. Unless you are a billionaire, you are part of the 99% with us. We are pissed because the government bailed out these banks and companies using OUR money and the CEOs proceed to give themselves huge bonuses. Companies all over the country lay off workers, give the big wigs fat cash, and send jobs overseas where it's cheaper, crappier, and less regulations.
How are you not mad about this? Because you sir, have been brainwashed by fox news. They are trying to get us to fight each other so we don't pay them as much attention.
Don't put all your eggs in one basket. Branch out, learn, read other sources, other perspectives. You can't just rely on what one person or one group of people say. Bad things happen then(like the Holocaust)
I highly recommend you open your eyes and mind to the real world around you. It can be beautiful, scary, wonderful, sad…etc
Things are not just black and white. Look harder, beneath the surface and remember not everybody is just like you.
…..wow that was a lot. So I just got done working in a factory and it's almost 3am here so forgive me if I didn't make much sense, I do tend to ramble sometimes but I can clarify and provide sources if asked politely ^_^
Very interesting topics and comments here, my favorite being from 'Mike' above: "But it is typical for Americans to only assail the side they disagree with. FOX news people hate MSNBC, and MSNBC people hate FOX. In effect, it is a mirror of the failed two party system, which keeps citizens fighting citizens instead of all citizens eyes being on Washington as they should be."
It is all deeply upsetting to see and hear evidence that we all are being controlled and pulled along on strings by very wealthy and powerful puppeteers in the U.S. If any one of us denies this, they are either wistfully delusional or ostensibly ignorant. To understand and watch how our American media has the power and control to push and pull candidates at will into or out of the spotlight [Ron Paul] should be an alarming wake-up call to those that support and hold value to this countries original founding fathers' intent. Oh yeah, and that document we have…what was that again….??
When ARE we going to take this country back??!
I am an American who lives in Canada. I was disappointed to see an actual Sun News broadcast (that was Canadian staffed and produced, and themed on Canadian issues), as it was exactly like Fox with its vitriol passing as "news." This was last fall, when these broadcasts began. So, unless they have been taken off the air, I'm not sure that the story ends with such good news. I know there was controversy, and a fight against it. But Sun prevailed initially… unless something has changed…
I'd vote for such a law in the US. It is desperately needed. Actually easy to inforce: label opinions as opinions. Further, political speech needs to be redressed. Politicians in every state and federally have passed for themselves special protections beyond the right of free speech, so almost anything is "legal" and they have no liability (I'm not sure about strict obscenity.). If democracy requires an educated public, no wonder we in the US are losing our way. Extreme politics have overwhelmed us because we allow politicians to broadcast and run on falsehood and deceits meant to arouse the worst fears of the public and drive the electorate through our basest intolerance. It's working. So-and-so is a commie. A nazi. A devil born in Tazmania. We need to restore America to the land of our Founding Fathers, but we need 7 amendments to the constitution to do it.
What we need is Quality Standards that apply equally to everyone for Political Speech and Public News/Information. This is not an attempt to restrict Opinion, where future policy is imagined and developed, also quite necessary. But just like money can buy votes, in any system allowed to flow freeform, the lowest moral denominator can generate the greatest impact, and motivated by personal gain, push us over the cliff of self-destruction
Apparently Canadians require somebody in power and politics to tell them what is true and what is not. Thank God we have a Bill of Rights, the FIRST of which is a guarantee of freedom of speech. It is entirely up to We the People to decide what is acceptable, and whether or not we believe and patronize such sources of information. Does anybody up there really think the government will police your information with NO bias whatever?
The article uses the words "propaganda branch" and "cronies" in the first two sentences. That's as far as I made it, because it became instantly clear that in this case, it is the article writer who is the yellow journalist, not Fox.
Good for Canada and an ethical issue protected by law – hurrah
I agree! The government should be the only one allowed to determine what can or can't be said or broadcast in public! If we can't trust politicians to prevent the corporations from lying to us, who can we trust?
In the words of my favourite character, Leroy Jethro Gibbs of NCIS…"Everybody lies. The trick is catching them at it!"
The lying is not a left or right thing it is the us gov who is ok with the lying, corrupion, and the payoff back and fourth. I'm glade canada has the law now we need one like that too. But we seem to can't get pass corrunption, ppl voting for rmney, perry, sanotrum, and newt … it seems ppl want more of the same just in a differ color n insignia. Til we get more rn paul its just goin to keep going down hill. But I'm sure there will be somebody here who thinks I'm crazy for like and voting only for ron paul. As the conservative say any one but obama, just as a naton said before him anybody but bush…
its about time someone else decided to stick it to Fox News, the worse new ever. Many people will say Fox News is the best but that's because that is the only news they watch, Fox News is nothing but lies lies lies!! Fox News is fed by the corporate bullshit we are fighting against, if you can't tell the truth on air then please get off the air! Truth always succeeds while the lies falter!!
Good for you Canada!
To force truth in broadcasting simply makes government the arbiter of truth. That is not democracy. That's tyranny.
That Canada has done so against Fox simply means that Canadians will only hear left-wing lies.
There is no accountability these days. We know that there were no WMD's in Iraq since they didn't find them. We know that Saddam wasn't behind 9/11 but yet the U.S. gov't still claimed that there was a link and we had an unjust war.
We know that we will probably never see any alternative energy sources especially not a free one since the U.S. congress pension funds are directly linked to the oil industry. Upset that and those millionaire congressional people would be mighty pissed.
I am astounded- though perhaps not surprised- at how many Americans would like such a law in the US. One of the cornerstones of US law, and one of the reasons that the US is the ONLY Democracy of its size that has lasted as long as it has, is that we have an unconditional guarantee of free speech. Canada's freedom of speech is not absolute- the Charter specifically allows for "reasonable limits" of speech.
A law such as Canada's can be used by the party in power to deem any speech it objects to as a "lie"- and shut down that paper, web site, TV station, or individual. Opinions can be "lies." Pointing out lies by the government can be deemed lies. That's how Venezuela is shutting out dissent today. Papers were closed and editors imprisoned in the US during the "Progressive" period using the same justification.
It appears that a lot of people would gladly give up the constitutional protections of the First Amendment so long as they think it would be in their favor.
lol, if only america would do that
A perfect example of fox news telling lies and censoring news is their treatment of RON PAUL. Fortunately people have the internet and can watch the debates if they missed them on television. The WHOLE WORLD IS FOR RON PAUL ESPECIALLY HERE IN SOUTH CAROLINA but fox will have you beleive otherwise. The signs do not lie and there are MORE RON PAUL SIGNS IN YARDS HERE THAN I CAN COUNT.Our troops donated more to RON PAUL than any all of the other GOP candidates combined, probably because RON PAUL served in the military and didnt wuss out like ROMNEY AND NEWT. South Carolina for RON PAUL !!!
I am horrified at some of the comments from people here actually WANTING a law like this in the US??? You want a government beaurocrat deciding what can and can not be said? What is and is not the truth? What happens wen someone you dont like is in charge and suddenly decides everything you say is a lie? Let abslute free speech reign ALWAYS and if someone lies, someone else is free to call them on it.
To claim that only Fox is inaccurate is a HUGE inaccuracy! Doesn't anyone remember Dan Rather of CBS news and his totally inaccurate claims to bring down George Bush?
"Political dialogue in Canada is marked by civility, modesty, honesty, collegiality, and idealism "
um…. i guess you haven't been watching our elections of late, eh?
alas – since harp seal got into the game (isn't he due for a clubbing right about now?), the elections have been purely embarrassing.
to the americans going on about freedom of speech: i can literally go right now onto a Vox Pop broadcast and repeat my "isn't Prime Minister Harp Seal due for a clubbing right about now?" comment and not only will it get aired ….
but nothing will happen.
dare you to try that south of the 49th. make a comment like that about the President or any of the other Joint Chiefs of Staff and see what happens *assuming* it were even allowed to air.
@ normaliswear: I don't think we want the government to dictate what the content is, I would lust like to see a law passed that stated that whatever the content is, it should be accurate and truthful. I would just like to whole the media's feet to the fire and be responsible and honest in the news outlets.
The drastic amount of misleading the public has to stop. Its the further dumbing down of America. Someone mentioned that its up to us to research what you here but there is so much info that we take in daily, I neither have the time nor the energy to research everything I hear. It would be nice to have news agencies and news outlets be accountable for what they broadcast.
From CNN: An inscription on the Martin Luther King Jr. National Memorial that has faced criticism will be changed, an Interior Department official tells CNN.
The memorial in Washington was unveiled in August and has many of King's quotes on it. Poet and author Maya Angelou was among those who said one paraphrased inscription wrongly made King seem arrogant.
The inscription reads: "I was a drum major for justice, peace and righteousness."
King's original words were from a 1968 sermon at Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta: "If you want to say that I was a drum major, say that I was a drum major for justice. Say that I was a drum major for peace. I was a drum major for righteousness. And all of the other shallow things will not matter."
Interior Secretary Ken Salazar told the Washington Post he has given the National Park Service 30 days to change the quote.
Nice, we can't even keep our monuments accurate, how can we hold anyone else accountable?
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Maybe a few libel laws wouldn't be such a bad idea here now. You can say what ever you want about anyone or thing you want as long as you can prove it's true
"A perfect example of fox news telling lies and censoring news is their treatment of RON PAUL. Fortunately people have the internet and can watch the debates if they missed them on television. The WHOLE WORLD IS FOR RON PAUL ESPECIALLY HERE IN SOUTH CAROLINA but fox will have you beleive otherwise. The signs do not lie and there are MORE RON PAUL SIGNS IN YARDS HERE THAN I CAN COUNT.Our troops donated more to RON PAUL than any all of the other GOP candidates combined, probably because RON PAUL served in the military and didnt wuss out like ROMNEY AND NEWT. South Carolina for RON PAUL !!!"
Just because you want it to be true does not make it so. Ron Paul is not in the lead in the poles and poles do not really matter anyway. Fox News did report that he was the largest receiver of military contributions. So what is that you are looking for? Counting signs.. really.. that is much more scientific than poling.
How refreshing to hear someone owning posting errors, and statements of misrepresentations, and accepting responsibility for the errors!
To all those who are posting that in Canada, the government controls what is truth or lies (to paraphrase), you really have no clue. What determines what is true or not has nothing to do with some ones, government or otherwise, opinion of what is true, but what can be backed up with FACTS. If a reporter makes a statement on air, whether Fox, MSNBC, or any other stations, then that statement has to be backed up with facts. And, if such statement turns out to be factually incorrect, then a retraction has to be made and the correct information presented.
Now here is the big difference I, as a Canadian, has seen, is that when MSNBC gets called out, they will say they were incorrect. When Fox gets called out, they scream, "First Amendment" and carry on with the incorrect story. Big difference right there.
OK, let's all just move to Canada….
I really do not comment on blogs, but I really just wanted to say that, the author seems very current and educated about the issues and the history of modern media and ownership. I do not want to follow this blog but I will check in for time to time. Good work so far.
Of course, I'm sure it's not only Fox that manipulate the news – I'm sure they all do it, and have done for years. By only telling part of a story, knowing there is more to it, is effectively manipulation and … lying – if it is not corrected or balanced sooner rather than later.
The obstacles to a media anti-lying law here are not just political. Such a law would be unconstitutional. Certain sorts of lying are illegal (such as libel and slander), though not criminal, but lying as such is not constitutionally unprotected speech.
What do you mean there should be a law like that in the US?! Do you have ANY idea what that means?! We have the 1st Amendment in the US and such a law would COMPLETELY demolish it. You left-wing moonbats have REALLY lost it.
Personally, I don't care if FOX is here in Canada or not. We already have SUN NEWS NETWORK, the poor man's FOX NEWS. They are a 2nd rate version of FOX – sort of like FOX NEWS and HEE-HAW mashed together. The good news is that SUN NEWS can barely raise an audience – 30,000 listeners nation-wide is a huge audience for them. Most of SUN NEWS guests are their own reporters and announcers.
Someone asked, in relation to FOX, "Where's the lie?" It is here – during the US healthcare "debate" debacle, FOX NEWS consistently and constantly lied to its US audience about the Canadian healthcare system. Lied – did not tell the truth. Not just inaccuracies, but, outright lies. Some of the lies were that –
1. Canadians cannot go to a doctor of their choice (the pinko Canadian gov't tells you what doctors you can see).
2. Canadians pay huge personal income tax because of our system taxes. Personal income tax is not applied to our healthcare system, much of the funding is from corporate taxes (each province has its own methods). Personal income tax in Canada is very close to the rates in the US.
3. Canadians die because they can't get treated in a timely manner. This doesn't happen. Having a smaller population means we don't have the amount of hi-tech hardware or the number of hospitals and beds that are found in the US, but \people do not die waitinfg for surgery
4. Canadians flock in droves to the US for medical attention. No, less than 1/2 of 1% have medical attention in the US. Of that 1/2 of 1%, more than 1/2 of those were already in the US when something happened that made them need immediate medical treatment.
5. Canadian doctors are running en masse to the US to earn better money. Stats have proven that US doctors come here more than Canadian doctors go to the US. And, think about this- it isn't our best doctors going to the US to make money; just our greedy ones. not our best.
6. All doctors and medical personnel are slaves to the gov't and work of nothing. This isn't a prison colony – free enterprise and capitalism are still here. Doctors and medical institutions do not have to be under the universal healthcare system; doctors and institutions are free to opt out and bill patients privately. And – somehow all this medical "socialism" hasn't prevented insurance companies from continuing to do business and make money.
There are more lies, that FOX told, than I've listed. Our system isn't perfect, but, it works. Everyone in Canada has access to good medical services, regardless of ability to pay. Proof of the pudding, is that Canadians have a life-span that is about 4 years longer than the average Americans. Even our homeless outlive America's homeless because they have easy access to free healthcare services.
Friends and I sat in amazement at all the outright lies FOX used to scare people away from universal healthcare. You will never convince me that Bill O'Reilly, a well-educated and award-winning newsman, did not know he was lying. There is no way that he did not know the truth behind the lies he was telling.
As I believe in free speech. I say, "Bring 'em on, lies and all!"
A quick mention, the gov't, that regulates broadcast distributors, doesn't rule the Canadian airwaves, although they do see to it that there is a specified amount of Canadian content or Canadian-related programming.This is needed because most of our population and broadcasters are close to the US-Canada border and US broadcasters can easily overpower the Canadian signals and monopolize Canada's airwaves.. Outside the CRTC, complaints against broadcasters, such as concerns around offensive programming, are dealt with by the Canadian Broadcast Standards Council, an independent broadcast industry association. So, it really isn't the gov't outlawing lies/censorship; it is an industry-based board that makes such decisions and keeps things pretty much on the up-and-up in Canada.So, back off on the lack of freedom in Canada. Look out for yourselves because you can be taken away and disappear, without just cause, without charges, and held incommunicado, indefinitely. Canadians actually have a freer society than the US.
I happen to enjoy the Fox news and do not see the fallacies as impugned in this article. When the political agenda of a news organization is for freedom, I see a greater responsibility to respect them rather than those who subvert our freedom and civil rights.
I know where they can start…PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE stop telling their soldier that our soldiers , that the US are determined to kill their soldiers. AND I heard that directly from the mouth of a Canadian, They they don't realize that all soldiers have a mind of their own. First an first and foremost to DEFEND OUR country, NOT to kill Canadians. Unless we are at WAR with Canada, and then that is news to me!!!! In reality most Canadians, that don't know any better and just seriously dislike America. Very very sad huh?
who all of you people would be willing to sign a petition to go with an initiative to start the law again to only have truth in news on tv and the newspapers in America like it was before 1987? No wonder Americans are so brainwashed, they believe everything they hear and read by the media. No wonder other countries don't like us, they probably laugh behind our backs. We used to have respect from other countries before the 1990s and you could count on the truth in the news but wow, how things have changed and practically ruined this beautiful country. But dont worry, all nations go thru ups and downs so we could go back to the respectable nation we once were if we try, but we will have to vote in an honest president, starting with Ron Paul. He is the only politician I've ever respected or trusted.
Wow…look at all the lame right wing hacks responding here..Lol. Also, people need to realize Fox News Channel and LOCAL Fox news broadcasting are 2 TOTALLY different things.
all these comments after the blogger admits it was misinformation and she dismissed the writer and took back the writing for her own viability. doesn't anyone read the whole story? or just the sentence which supports their propoganda? you should all be lined up against the wall and be forced to do research.
You can't have the truth when sides exist that promote their beliefs and bias in the news. Haven't you ever noticed that the right wing always focuses on the past? Past performance doesn't predict the future. It does keep us from repeating stupid mistakes. Liberals and progressives have their mind set in a fantasy land utopia where there is no money (the currency of energy) and everyone shares. Last time I checked, there are millions of spiritual places to go because no one is a saint and no one is perfect. Without perfect people, a perfect place can't exist. This is why left wingers cannot answer questions directly. Their mind is not in the present. The only truth available in the media is subjective truth. Stop watching it! The only people who can report the truth objectively and solve current problems are We The People. Make your vote count. Stop picking sides and pick objective truth (the facts without bias interpretation). All mankind deserves LIFE, LIBERTY, and The Pursuit of Happiness. The only way to take back the power and keep agendas away from the government is to stop supporting parties and watching the news media they use to keep the nation divided. Why do you think independent voters choose who the next president will be? Independence is what this nation was founded on, and that is where the power is.
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The way the government is, this law would make media even worse. Because the media is already being controlled by the elites the are lobbying the government to pass laws and regulations.
So, have a law like this would give more power to the elites that are controlling government and pretty much ban anything they wish, or really stop anything that the government knows will be bad and is against freedom.
This law would also expand the Federal government. I thought we want a limited government, not a larger one that limits the people.
What we need is people in the government that know the Constitution, know how and why this country was created. Know liberty and will not vote a certain way for a couple of dollars.
We need to have a limited government that follows that supreme law of the land.
Making laws that stops lying on the media will only make the lying worse.
Because the way our government is, this law would also make sure that there is no lying on the internet as well as TV.
Also, making a law the basically bans lying would be against the first amendment.
The problems that we are facing today is because there is too much government and not enough freedom.
The Constitution was created to protect our freedom and liberty.
And with freedom comes the bad as well – lying, stupidity, and what not.
This means that if a person believes the new outlets are lying about something then do your own research about the subject and stop listening to the media. Starting reading book and listening to people that know what they are talking about.
The same thing works in the economy. Instead of having more laws and regulations that stop "bad" business, there needs to be smarter consumers.
If you don't like the business stop buying from them, make them go bankrupt instead of taking the freedom and liberty away from everyone when some business are doing bad practices.
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[…] Fox News once tried to expand into Canada, creating a Canadian version of its news channel. However, the plans were shot down by the Canadian government, which has a law in place prohibiting purposeful lying on television in news programs. Because Fox News disseminated falsehoods on its shows, the network was not allowed to create a channel here. […]
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I just don't understand how fox news, thinks it is okay to do business the way they do, it is true they have a lot of people programmed down here, i could use another word but i'll leave at that, many of us really wish the US had the ethics in journalism Canada has, we are trying to get the fairness doctrine reinstated, vetting stories for truth/ honesty before they aired, here its not just a matter of outright lying fox are pros at innuendo, using partial statements, generally twisting the facts, to be fair our other media have been occasionally guilty of such things, the difference being they are penalized for it, correct it and apologies something you will never see on fox news… ..
[…] post is that apparently Fox News bid to open its own station in Canada was blocked, because the Canadians have a law which prohibits news stations from lying. I have not been able to verify claims that similar laws blocked Fox News in Sweden and […]
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When the Government desides what is trueth and what is not, then the only trueth is what the Government wants the people to hear. In the US we hear a lot of different opions on the news in Canada, Aah you only hear what the Canadian Government wants you to hear. When someone leaves out part of the trueth then that is a lie also. I would say, what a bunch of sheep blitting and not wanting the facts just free government hand outs.
At this moment I am going away to do my breakfast, when having my breakfast
coming yet again to read other news.
This law would prohibit CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, MSNBC from broadcasting there as well. Talk about a load of sheeple; news, mainstream or FOX, are liars. Don't lie to yourselves.
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Here's an interesting aside from the new Xbox 360 launch: Microsoft has done away with the infamous 'Red Ring of Death' or RRoD as it has become known. The new console continues to show a green ring when working well, but should the worst happen then users will now be greeted by the 'red dot of death' (RDoD?)
"If you look at the success rate of the original 360s {or lack of}, we're very proud of both the way the company stepped up to support the customers that we had as well as the success rate we have with the box today," said Microsoft Game Studios VP Phil Spencer. "I think we've learned a lot. That learning has gone into the development of this box."
Obviously this is somewhat playful news, but it does make sense given the RRoD farce that greeted early Xbox 360s where failure rates once stretched as high as 54 per cent. That said the new models should be rock solid given jump to a 45nm integrated CPU and GPU chipset, reduced power consumption and lower noise levels.
In fact geeks supreme Anandtech (we're cool geeks) have put the new model to the test and found power consumption has dropped from 2-2.3W on previous models to just 0.6W while in games there are 30-50 per cent savings. It is also described as "noticeably quieter" in operation though the disc drive only drops from 54dBA to 51dBA, so best keep installing those games - especially with the new larger 250GB HDD.

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Divorcees, Jews, and new money were excluded from the knickerbockers.
His stockings were short, and did not come up to his knickerbockers.
What she does say is that the skirt and knickerbockers were made of the same stuff.
And he put on his knickerbockers and jacket, and slipped a few peppermints into his pocket in case of catching cold.
"Time to go," said Philip, still in his tall silk hat and his knickerbockers.
Klaus Brock, the son of the district doctor, was a blue-eyed youngster in knickerbockers and a sailor blouse.
"What a beastly mess," rubbing the cobwebs off his hands on to his knickerbockers.
Everything this eccentric but clever scion of the knickerbockers owned?
In a grey Norfolk suit, with knickerbockers, and a soft felt hat.
Almost always he wore a black coat, knickerbockers and black gaiters.
"descendant of Dutch settlers of New York," 1831, from Diedrich Knickerbocker, the name under which Washington Irving published his popular "History of New York" (1809). The pen-name was borrowed from Irving's friend Herman Knickerbocker, and literally means "toy marble-baker."
"short, loose-fitting undergarment," now usually for women but not originally so, 1866, shortening of knickerbockers (1859), said to be so called for their resemblance to the trousers of old-time Dutchmen in Cruikshank's illustrations for Washington Irving's "History of New York" (see knickerbocker).
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Ever since the Honda CR-Z hybrid was released, we've been asking for more power from the "sporty" hybrid. There have been lots of rumors that Honda is working on a more powerful version, but it has yet to be officially confirmed. This week the SEMA show officially kicked off in Las Vegas and in addition to the special Accord models, Honda also unveiled the HPD (Honda Performance Development) Supercharged CR-Z Concept. According to Honda the Supercharged CR-Z concept "is a further exploration of the performance potential of the CR-Z Sport Hybrid."
The latest CR-Z concept expands on the CR-Z supercharged engine displayed at the 2011 SEMA Show, HPD made enhancements to improve acceleration, handling and stopping by adding a sport exhaust, developing a sport suspension, designing wheels with high performance tires and adding sport brakes. Honda hasn't released the official specs for the improvements under the hood, but lets hope that the concept is proof that Honda is really going to eventually release a more powerful CR-Z.
In the meantime Honda is updating the 2013 CR-Z with a little more horsepower and a more powerful lithium-ion battery.
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The photo above is from the Church of St Simon Stock in South Ashford. The new altar frontal was made by a parishioner. Fr Boyle has done a great deal to enhance the dignity of the sanctuary of his simple but devotional Church.
For more information on why altar frontals are a Good Thing, see the excellent article by Shawn Tribe on the NLM last October: The History, Development and Symbolism of the Antependium, Altar Frontal, or "Pallium Altaris"


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RIPTON — Vermont State Police are asking for help from the public in finding a Ripton man who is missing.
Police on Monday received a report that James Daignault, 54, was missing.
Daignault was seen on Saturday, Nov. 23, at approximately 10 a.m. when he was leaving his residence in Ripton en route to a food shelf in Burlington. He never returned.
RIPTON — Two hundred thirty-five runners and walkers experienced gorgeous weather at the 2013 Ripton Ridge Run, Sunday, Oct. 13. The record numbers showing up at this 26th annual event enjoyed sunny skies and warm temperatures, a wonderful race, an excellent lunch and a festive atmosphere. Fifty-five people participated in the 10K run, 140 in the 5K run and 40 in the 5K fun walk. They ranged in age from 3-year-old Kaiya Maclay to 82-year-old Don Lacharite.
RIPTON — The students and staff of Ripton Elementary School — including 44 students in grades pre-K through sixth — on Monday, Sept. 30, took a field trip to Middlebury College.
The day started on the athletic fields, where the Ripton students got to play with men and women from the lacrosse teams, softball team and women's ice hockey team. Students learned to handle sticks, catch, throw, run and dodge in four different stations around the facilities.
RIPTON — Friends of the Ripton Community Church will host a screening of the Emmy Award winning film "Green Fire: Aldo Leopold and a Land Ethic for Our Time" on Sunday, Sept. 1, at 7 p.m. at the church on Route 125 in Ripton.
The first full-length, high-definition documentary film ever made about legendary conservationist Aldo Leopold, "Green Fire" explores Leopold's life in the early part of the 20th century and the many ways his land ethic idea continues to be applied all over the world today.
RIPTON — Author and activist Bill McKibben on Tuesday was awarded the $100,000 Sophie Prize, one of the world's largest environmental awards, for his work in building 350.org, the first widespread global climate campaign.
The Norway-based prize jury cited McKibben for "pioneering new methods of social protest," from Internet-based organizing to the widespread civil disobedience confronting the Keystone XL pipeline. Past recipients of the award include Nobel laureate Wangari Mathaai and Orthodox Patriarch Bartholomew.
MIDDLEBURY — She's been visiting Helen Porter Healthcare and Rehabilitation Center (HPHRC) just about every Tuesday for more than three years, but the senior residents still line up for her arrival, hoping to get some eye contact and a handshake or two. No need for an exchange of words.
Not that the celebrity in question can speak in complete sentences; her vocabulary is confined to the occasional "woof."
RIPTON — Theater enthusiasts will have an opportunity to witness a "Mad World" at the Ripton Community House this weekend. "Mad World" is the name of the original play that the North Branch School students have written and will perform twice, at 7:30 p.m. on Friday, April 12, and Saturday, April 13.
RIPTON — Ripton voters on Town Meeting Day will be asked to spend up to $150,000 to put a new roof on their elementary school. And in a separate vote on the same day, they'll be asked to add to that new roof 200 solar panels in order to generate electricity to reduce the school's energy bill for at least the next 20 years.
BUFFALO, N.Y. — On the 50th anniversary of Robert Frost's death on Jan. 29, a rare collection of private artifacts that include religious musings during his time in Vermont and shed light on the great poet's personal beliefs will be made available to the public for the first time.
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Nomura Securities lowered its Neutral price target on Himax from $8.6 to $6.8 today, a day after the company guided strong third-quarter revenue numbers. The broker is worried about the rising competition in high resolution smartphone display and image sensors. Here is analyst Aaron Jeng:
The company expects smartphone DDI sales to rebound strongly from a major Korean customer [Barron's: Samsung Electronics] and also with Chinese demand remaining intact.
The rising competition from major DDI and CIS players such as Novatek (3034 TT) and Omnivision (OVTI US) will bring headwinds to Himax's GPM recovery, in our view.
Himax guided its 3Q14F sales growth at 10-15% qq on the back of its smartphone DDI business recovery and ongoing non-DDI business momentum. However, the EPS guidance is in line with market expectations. Thus, we maintain our Neutral rating with a lower TP of USD6.8, based on an unchanged 15x our FY14-15F average EPS of USD0.45.
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Today is April 1, the official release date for the batboy series. As I've said, the series concerns the misadventures of a ten-year-old chiropterahumanoid who disguises himself as a normal boy to avoid tabloid newspaper reporters and government agents. Of course he gives himself away sometimes, when he forgets himself and eats his own weight in mosquitoes on camping trips or sleeps hanging from a friend's bunk bed during a sleepover.
:record scratch: OK, there was a little April foolin' going on here. And really, that would be awesome, too.
But the new series is about a completely different kind of bat boy. Chad works for a minor league baseball team called the Pine City Porcupines and uses his massive baseball card collection to help the players on the team overcome superstitions and jinxes. The books are full of great pictures by the talented Eric Wight, author of Frankie Pickle. The books are published by Abrams and Topps and the paperbacks feature collectible cards. The whole thing is really cool and fun to be a part of.
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A traditional focus of evolutionary paleoecology has been the reconstruction of the selective forces that have affected evolving lineages through time. If the history of those lineages is dominated by stasis and punctuation, however, this is at best an inadequate and at worst a misdirected research strategy for macroevolution, because long-term stasis implies that environmental factors may have less influence on evolving lineages than previously believed. Such reasoning has led some proponents of punctuated views to reject ecological interactions as predominant or even significant forces in evolution. This is not a necessary conclusion. It is possible to accept the empirical predominance of stasis in evolution and at the same time the importance of ecology in affecting the course of evolutionary trends within lineages. If stasis prevails, ecology matters in the evolution of lineages if either (1) stabilizing selection is an important cause of stasis or (2) ecological interactions play an important role in controlling the speciation process. Viewing allopatric speciation explicitly as a three-stage process (consisting of formation, persistence and differentiation of isolated populations) clarifies testing of the role of ecology in speciation and may redirect clade-specific evolutionary paleoecology towards more enlightening interaction with other areas of macroevolutionary study.


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What made me decide to get a license was a local minister telling me and I quote "either find God or get the hell out of town" My response was a letter to the editor in our local paper, and CCW class. I'm still here. That was about 7 or 8 years ago.
This is a discussion on What Made me Decide to Get CCW within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Having a gun is not going to be a cure all,but in a lot of situations it gives you the option of being able to ...
Having a gun is not going to be a cure all,but in a lot of situations it gives you the option of being able to stop a threat.Most people are not going to be able to keep their head on a 360 swivel in traffic,too many blind spots,but after complying to a car jacking once the BG no longer has a gun on you then you may have the option to draw and fire.
In the OP's report,his Dads situation wouldn't have ended any better even if he was armed,but barring the LEO intervention a concealed handgun could have ended the car jacking and sent a message
"Outside of the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the country,"
--Mayor Marion Barry, Washington , DC .
What made me decide to get a license was a local minister telling me and I quote "either find God or get the hell out of town" My response was a letter to the editor in our local paper, and CCW class. I'm still here. That was about 7 or 8 years ago.
A 1911 is Not an obsession, it's simply a recognition that it's THE Gun. :-) All others are runner ups. And hey, if all else fails, aim for the nose and fling it to knock out your foe. Let's see y'all do that with a kel-Tec. ;-)
My best friend murdered as an apparently-unarmed crowd stood by watching helplessly is one event which prompted me to remain armed at all times, and to practice at range.
Deputy Sheriff Richard Anthony Herzog, King County Sheriff's Office, Washington
The other was my next best friend found dead in a ditch, tangled up in his bicycle, for no apparent reason. If they find me in similar circumstances, let there be a pile of expended brass near my body.
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"I'm set up to play a game right now. However, I doubt most people would want to get into a gun fight with me."
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Mine was haveing to take large amounts of cash to bank nightly alone with my job.
And hearing one of my co workers getting robbed and shot takeing his deposit to bank .
Oh and the scum bag company could care less about the employess and would fire any one caught with a firearm.
They never new I carried daily there .
I wised up a few years back and told them to shove that job
I turned 21, that was all it took. I knew that it was not only a bad plan to rely on someone else to keep me safe, but also incredibly selfish. I won't have someone lay down their life defending mine when I am fully capable of doing it myself.
I've now carried for over 17 years.
My primary carry is at 3:30--difficult to get to when strapped in. But my car gun (9mm) is in the center console all the time, with spare mag.
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living in Milwaukee Area..all my life. Homestead turned into getto after living inner city for 30 years. Now on outskirts of Milwaukee but close enough for problem potential. Years ago I carried for survival. Now I carry CC not for survival as much as the piece of mind it offers me and my family.
I see this country going to the dogs and I am not going to give up my freedom of my wife, our home, our cars or anything else we own. I see us going the way Greece is heading and I want to be a survivor not a statistic.
I carry in the drivers door. It secure, no one can see it and I can easily pull it without making a lot of movement. Unfortunately, I am right handed but can do a good job drawing it lefty...
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I began CCW shortly after the February 2005 Tyler, Texas Courthouse shooting. You can Google it for the details, but, I was in a third floor office of the Courthouse when the shooting began. I witnessed it all, from the killing of the estranged wife and son, to the wounding of several Deputies, to the execution of private citizen Mark Wilson, a Texas CHL license holder who tried to end the attack by killing the BG. As the BG escaped in his pick-up, he sprayed the side of the building with rounds hitting the brick only three feet below the window where I crouched. I have never felt so helpless in my life. My wife and I both worked in the Courthouse and there was nothing I could have done to stop the BG had he entered the building looking to kill more people including us. The next day I signed up for my CHL classes. I always carry, because a nice, quiet, normal day at work can go to hell in seconds. You just never know.
"If you only knew the power of the dark side!" - Darth Vader
Well I wouldn't say this event made me decide to get my CCW since I already had it, but it definitely made me more serious about it. So sorry about the long story, but here it goes.
A few years ago, I was out and about scouting some new four wheeling locations on some legal trails here in southern NH in the Jeep. By the time I got to the last location I wanted to look at, it was about 11:00 at night. I was about 20 miles from the nearest house, with cell phone service that was spotty at the very best. Whereas it was so late, I was alone with no other vehicles and no one to help if I was to get hopelessly stuck or break something, I decided to park the jeep and walk the trail. Armed with only my Maglite I set out. I hiked about a half mile or so and came to a section of the trail with a swamp on one side and a decent sized pond on the other. About a hundred yards past the end of the shore, I heard something rustling around in the woods at the edge of the water, followed by a small splash. I turned and pointed the light at the area, and saw nothing but a couple ripples in the water coming from the area. Figuring it was a fox or raccoon knocking a rock down into the water, I didn't think anything of it and continued on. Not more than ten seconds later, I heard something from the same area, followed by a large CRASH and sticks breaking and a much louder SPLASH. I whipped around and again pointed the light in the area. There was nothing there, except a bunch of broken branches leading to the water, which was rippling with what I would imagine would be the effect of throwing a basketball sized rock into the water. That's about when I decided it was time to go, and hi-tailed it back to the jeep.
I have no idea what kind of critter was sneaking up on me that night, but didn't care to stick around and find out. If it was as big as I thought it sounded I didn't want to try to fight it off with a Maglite either lol. So not your typical story you would hear on this site, but it's what finally made me realize I never wanted to say to myself "jeez I really wish I had a gun 30 seconds ago" again. I've been much more serious about carrying ever since.
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"To disarm the people is the best and most effective way to enslave them..." George Mason
I was the biggest anti gun anyone could see or imagine. Not because there were no violence or crime around, but the concept of guns period. My philosopy was "it will never happen to me". Here are several incidents that precipitated my decision to carry a firearm.
I was in a car with couple of friends, when a guy approached the window, after verbal exchange of words with one of my friends and he threatened to kill us if he (my friend) said one more word. No words followed (I though this was a good decision). But that was a really scary moment.
Another incident/s: 2 differents friends, and on separate occassions, one of them a female were involved in car jackings. One of those car jackings involving the female friend (very good frriend) was also a kidnap situation and ended up in a shootout between the culprits after they took her money, wallet, credit cards etc. One of them (BG) tried to take all the stuff by himself and thats what triggered the shootings.
Another incident: another good friend of mine's wife was stabbed in the abdomen during a robbery. The robber snatched her purse in an apartment hallway (very bold considering the location). She resisted out of instinct and she was then stabbed. She survived but spent time in hospital and it was a long recovery for them.
Note: these incidents happented in a span of 3-4 years and yet I was not convinced that I need to own or carry a firearm for protection. Again, I was being naive and just believed in the "it is not going to happen to me" thing. There were sort of denial as well.
Note: my cousine carried all the time and I used to tell him he was paranoid. I used to tell him you are more likely to shoot yourself accidently than use your gun on a BG. I was always afraid that his young childrent will one day get a hold of the gun followed by a tragic outcome. My cousin is a responsible person, but this is all me in my head.
Final incident that made me say screw this: I used to go to a grocery once a week, minimum. The owners and staff, I knew them by name and became really good friends with them. One day (last winter), two of the owners and a customer were shot to death in a robbery. One of the robbers actually went back to the store to finish one of the victims (the customer), who was still alive. One employee survived by hiding in a big freezer. He hid from the robbers and dodged the bullets, but had a close call with hypothermia. I could have been there. This really pissed me off. They didn't deserve this. The customer was buying a phone card to call his pregnant wife in overseas.
That store's staff is now armed, and so am I.
This is my friends is the story of my journey to become a CC holder.
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My decision to start carrying is I aged and no longer had the speed, strength and over confidence of youth.
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