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Need help doing my Homework
I am looking at getting a new rifle. I am trying to do the homework to discover which caliber is better for my needs and I was curious if any of you new a good reliable reference to compare rounds preferably over the net.
I know that a lot of it is person preference but I will ask you folks too. I am looking for a round to use for deer and elk hunting and maybe bigger. I would think that I would be shooting out to about 500yds. I was looking mainly at 30-06 since its such a common round but I am up to suggestions.
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I am looking at getting a new rifle. I am trying to do the homework to discover which caliber is better for my needs and I was curious if any of you new a good reliable reference to compare rounds preferably over the net.
I know that a lot of it is person preference but I will ask you folks too. I am looking for a round to use for deer and elk hunting and maybe bigger. I would think that I would be shooting out to about 500yds. I was looking mainly at 30-06 since its such a common round but I am up to suggestions.
Thank you
[/ QUOTE ] I don't see how you could help but to be well served by the 30-06 ctg. Yeah a lot of folks will tell you all about something better. This ctg. has stood the test of time because it works so well. I know it's still one of my all time favorites. Lots of great components for reloading, lots of good tools for loading and some vary good factory ammo if you don't load. It is always my first go to for most hunting! I think you would be happy with the 30-06 as a good first choice. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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If you are talking deer and elk, then the good old .308 might be the better choice accuracy-wise. Here is a very good article from
on that topic. Hopt it helps you make your mind:
Accuracy Facts
.308 Winchester versus .30-06 Springfield
By Bart Bobbitt
Seems to me that any time there's more metal contacting the bullet, the greater [the] chance that more variables come into play. Besides, folks who shoot highpower rifles the most accurate[ly] have very little case neck tension on the bullet anyway.
It's really easier to have uniform case neck tension by having it light in the first place; neck length doesn't come into play when this is how it's done. And ammo that's been handloaded [which is] then let set for several weeks or months will have a greater release force needed with long necks because of dissimilar materials bonding between bullet jacket and case neck/fouling. There's more area to bond when longer necks are used.
All that aside, lets go back to when the .30-06 and .308 were the only cartridges allowed in NRA match rifle matches. Both cartridges were used in barrels of equal quality as well as the same action and stocks by several top shooters in the USA. Both cartridges were used in matches at ranges from 100 through 1000 yards. Many thousands of rounds were fired in both types. Bullets from 168 through 200 grains were used with several powder, case and primer combinations.
In comparing accuracy between the .308 and .30-06, folks who used each quickly agreed on one thing: .308s were two to three times more accurate than the .30-06. In the early 1960s, it was also observed that competitors with lower classifications using .308s were getting higher scores than higher classified folks using .30-06s; at all ranges. By the middle to late 1960s, all the top highpower shooters and virtually all the rest had switched to the .308. The Highpower Committee had received so many complaints of ties not being able to be broke between shooters using the .308 and shooting all their shots in the tie-breaking V-ring, something had to be done to resolve this issue. In 1966, the NRA cut in half the target scoring ring dimensions.
At the peak of the .30-06's use as a competition cartridge, the most accurate rifles using it would shoot groups at 200 yards of about 2 inches, at 300 of about 3 inches. The 600-yard groups were 6 to 7 inches and at 1000 yards about 16 inches. As the high-scoring ring in targets was 3 inches at 200 and 300 yards, 12 inches at 600 and 20 inches at 1000, the top scores fired would have 90+ percent of the shots inside this V-ring.
Along came the 7.62mm NATO and its commercial version; the .308 Winchester. In the best rifles, 200 yard groups were about 3/4ths inch, at 300 about 1-1/2 inch. At 600 yards, groups were about 2-1/2 inch and at 1000 about 7 to 8 inches. It was not very long before the .30-06 round no longer won matches nor set any records; all it's records were broken by the .308 by a considerable margin. Some accuracy tests at 600 yards with the .308 produced test groups in the 1 to 2 inch range. These were 20 to 40 shot groups. No .30-06 has ever come close to shooting that well.
At 1000 yards, where both the .30-06 and .308 were allowed in Palma matches, the .308 was the clear-cut most accurate of the two. If top shooters felt the .30-06 was a more accurate round, they would have used it - they didn't. In fact by the early 1970s, the scoring ring dimensions on the 800 - 1000 yard target were also cut in about half due to the accuracy of both the .308 Win. over the .30-06 and the .30-.338 over the .300 H&H when used in long range matches.
Most top highpower shooters feel the main reason the .308 is much more accurate than the .30-06 is its shorter, fatter case promotes more uniform and gentle push on the bullet due to a higher loading density (less air space) and a more easily uniformly ignitable powder charge.
Military arsenals who produced match and service ammo in both 7.62mm and 30 caliber have fired thousands of test rounds/groups with both. They also found out that with both ammo types, the smallest groups were with the 7.62 by about 50 to 60 percent. M1 rifles in 7.62 shot about twice as small of groups as .30 M1s at all ranges. When the M14 was first used, there were some .30-06 M1 rifles that would shoot more accurately. It took the service teams several years to perfect the methods of making M14s shoot well, but when they did, they shot as good as M1s in 7.62.
There will always be folks who claim the .30-06 is a more accurate cartridge. All I have to say to them is to properly test .308 vs. .30-06 and find out. Theory is nice to think about; facts determine the truth.
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Mr. Bobbitt did not submit this article to Sniper Country, but rather to the rec.guns newsgroup on February 7, 1997. He has authored many postings to rec.guns, and is highly qualified to comment on a variety of shooting-related topics. Among his many distinctions within the shooting community, he once fired a 20-shot, 3.325" group at 800 yards! (Refer to the advertisement for Krieger Barrels in the May, 1997, issue of Precision Shooting magazine.) Mr. Bobbitt's other postings to rec.guns can be found by doing an author's profile on his name via the Deja News service. This rec.guns posting was acquired via Deja News (see the Deja News policy on materials posted to newsgroups).
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interesting and good info.what about twist rate differences .308-1-12 .30-06 1-10 and newer bullets now.i'll admit being a .30-06 fan,in fact its going to be my first custom job by kirby,i just had to take it a step farther to .30-06 ackley improved with 1-11 tw [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] and i could have chose any calibre [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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I was a junior high power shooter when all this was going on that you refer to in the .308 V 30-06 days and shot against the 30-06 with my state issued 7.62mm National match M-14. I well remember the composite target issued by the makers of the Match ammo in 1967. Lake City made both the 7.62mm and the 30-06. I well remember the transition from the 5V to the metric target. What Mr. Bobbit has to say is correct also. Following this argument to it logical conclusion the .308 should not be considered either in favor of the 5.56mm ctg. and this should be your choice for a deer ctg. As the 5.56mm has supplanted the 7.62mm ctg. Then using this same logic with it the short V. long ctg., we should look at the PPC over the 5.56mm NATO ctg. Anybody that has been around high power shooting for anytime will recall taking the issue 7.62mm NM ammo and seating the bullets deeper to break the bond between the sealant on the bullets and the inside of the necks, What Mr. Bobbet refers to in his article is cold welding, this did not occur as the sealant was between the dissimilar metals ie. the bullet jacket and the ctg. case neck. As explained in the article in the PS. magazine in the mid 90's. This article explains vary well the cold welding that occurs in ammo. I know vary well that the ability to kill paper and the ability to kill animals for some of us is the same. But for the few that don't see themselves in this light let me explain. A comparison between two different forms of competitive shooting will perhaps help for those of us that don't understand the difference. Bench rest and metallic silhouette are sports that have vary large followings. I do not believe that to many shooters doubt the dominance of the PPC ctg. in bench rest, shooters have tried and failed for nearly 3 decades have tried to beat this ctg. with little success. It by the way supplanted the triple deuce (.222 REM). It's safe to say it's accuracy goes pretty much unchallenged. Let us step next door to the metallic boys and look for the PPC. ctg. What you say no one is shooting the worlds acclaimed most accurate ctg. ? Whats wrong with theses people you might ask? Well there targets are not made of paper, they have a requirement to knock over the targets they shoot at. The PPC does not really fill the bill here, so we leave behind this much more accurate ctg. in favor of other ctgs. with more push. This could go on for days, I hope that some have begun to see a pattern here! Will the .308WIN kill deer? Who said it would not? Is the better ability to punch holes in paper of the .308WIN more important to the hunter than say this ctgs. famous inability to keep it's veloicty up with heavy weight bullets, at extended ranges? Perhaps the 30-06 still has a role in this world for the few of us that have rifles for something other than blowing holes through paper! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
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Depends what game you want to go after. If you want to go after larger game like Elk then with the 06 you have an advantage in pushing heavier bullets a bit faster. Ive been up and down the magnum road and everywhere in between and have still settled on a 30-06 for my long range deer work, why, because it works, i use hornady light mag ammo and get almost 300wm velocity(almost) , but i aint saying the 308 won't work. you get a good rifle built by a reputable smith and feed it decent ammo, learn to use it well,you won't go far wrong with either caliber. I like 1 -10 twist in both calibers.
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Deer Size, heard the term once or twice before? I wonder about the people that use the term. Does that mean the southwest's Coues white tail the Roosevelt elk the Yukon's moose, the blacktail or the mule deer, the eastern white tail from 60pds to a 1,000 pds. what does it mean. Is there any that have not been taken with a .22lr.? And should I knowing that, use a lite weight bullet for all. I use one bullet only in the 30-06 and that is the 180 gr. Why because it works for all the deer size game. I use only the 270grain in my .375H&H's why, because it works on everything I might have or want to shoot and the drop is the same for any of the yardage I will see game at. KISS, ever heard the term keep it simple stupid? I pick the twist for the bullet length I will use, I shoot a 1 in 12 for the 30-06 as the length and velocity indicates by the Greenhill formula. I have found that the 180 grain bullets I prefer do not do well for the .308WIN at the ranges I have killed deer size game. That is why I don't use the .308WIN that is not saying it won't work, hey we know people kill deer size game with the .22lr! But it's not my go to first choice.
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I clean mine every time. I like it to be functioning and ready to go. But, I'm also a clean freak so what do I know.
I know this might sound weird, but I just bought a px4 storm, 9mm. I've been to the range 3-4 times, put about 300-400 rounds through it. Should I clean it?
I have a cleaning kit but I'm actually unsure how to clean it properly. How often do you clean your hand gun? Every outting? I did a class with an ex-marine who served in Iraq and Afghanistan and he said that people who tell you to clean your gun every time you should it, is ridiculous.
Thanks for the advice in advance!
I clean mine every time. I like it to be functioning and ready to go. But, I'm also a clean freak so what do I know.
I clean whenever there isn't anything good on TV. Like after every time I've put some rounds through it since there never seems to be anything good on TV these days. Well, almost every time. I don't think they really need to be cleaned every time...
I clean all my guns right after i get home from the range.
I clean my guns after they've been used, unless I plan on using them again soon (like this afternoon or tomorrow). If there's any possibility that they'll be be put away and unused, they need cleaning. I don't want powder and primer residue left in the barrel, which may or may not create permanent corrosion or etching. Also, gaulding and plating from lead or copper bullets should be removed to avoid electrolysis from dissimilar metals. Just my opinion.
Call me ridiculous......I clean them EVERY time.....a clean firearm is a happy firearm....
Can someone give me a brief summary how to clean my fire arm after I field strip my Beretta px4 storm? I have the kit. I just don't know how to use it.
+1 to cleaning after firing.
There are no dirty firearms in my gun vault.
I am influenced (again) by my military training and clean mine after every outing. I couldnt imagine putting any weapon away dirty..... it just isnt logical to me. lol
Without fail, after each range visit for the last 32 years.
After each range visit unless I`m going back out next day.
I am in the camp that cleans after each use but I have a couple levels of what that means. At a minimum I clean the bore and chamber and with semis, the contact areas between slide and frame after each use. The next level is after I have used the gun a few times or put a few hundred rounds thru it. In this case I really get busy with it and see how close to out of box condition i can return my guns for all areas accessible without a tool box.
How long does a typical gun cleaning take oneself?
I clean after every range visit. But it doesn't take more than 15-20 minutes.
These days all the .22lr get cleaned after each range visit, the .380's just get a field strip and swab out the bore as the ammo is much cleaner. I'm shooting cheap bulk in the .22's for the most part, as the good stuff is just too hard to find and expensive.
The wife and I shoot a lot, usually 200-300 rounds each trip out, primarily through two pistols and one rifle. The Ruger SR-22 and 10-22 are a breeze to clean, can do each in about 10-15 minutes.


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I was out of words throughout my wedding party. Therefore I am so delighted to be given the opportunity to say a few words here. To be blunt, I was physically and emotionally overwhelmed that weekend. Since Aldwin and I landed in Paris a week before our wedding date, we hardly got any rest. I am pretty sure my eyes were only half-opened on my wedding day because I remember our photographer, David, continuously screaming "Sera! Eyes!" between every click and flash from his camera.
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1. No matter what happens, no matter how difficult it gets, Aldwin will stand by me and fight alongside me till the storm subsides. He is strong for me when I am weak, he rescues me when I am falling, and he stays with me through the dark silences. I love you deeply, darling, and I strive everyday to be a worthy 'ezer kenegdo'.
2. We have a loving God who answers prayers, even if that prayer is about the weather. Not only did the rain come uninvited to my outdoor ceremony, it brought its friend the wind and together they knocked out my wedding gazebo and several large vases. But by the time we said 'Amen' to the opening prayer, the sun was out.
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Tutorials - Big bits of code to help you do more
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It's been a while since we published the DataObject as Pages series of tutorials, which have proved to be particularly popular. At Aab Web we use those techniques regularly as a way to allow our clients to mange large amounts of flat content or content that is distributed in multiple places throughout a site. Although the final implementations in each project are often varied and bespoke, they all start with the basics outlined in those tutorials, so it made sense for us to build a starting point to work from (and include some more complex features at the same time). That starting point is this module, catchily entitled: DataObject as Pages.
About the Module
Get the Module on Github: DataObjects-as-Pages: The Module
So first things you are probably wondering is 'what can I do with this module'. Well once you have extended the classes in the Module you will have a fully functioning DataObject as Page system with
- Basic Versioning, with Stage & Live versions of each Data Object, managed in Model Admin.
- Searchable DataObjects, allowing instant implementation into a search dependent site using the DoapSearchForm and Controller.
- Fully extendable listing page type, allowing implementation of filtering systems and tags/category models
- Easy implementation: Simply extend the 3 classes, add a couple of static values and you are ready to go!
- URLSegment based DataObjects with MetaTitle and Description built in.
So without further ado, you can grab the code from the module here: https://github.com/arambalakjian/DataObjects-as-Pages and then follow the instructions below, where we'll first take you through the most basic implementation, then show you how you can extend it to do some really cood things, like we did on www.mymuswell.com, where all the Articles, Places, events and Deals are based on DataObjects.
Basic Setup
Ok, so you probably want to just get going with this so you can have a play around. We'll here are the 3 files you need to create, just like when doing the Part 2 tutorial, only this time without any actual logic!
mysite/code/ProductListingPage.php (Extends DataObjectAsPageHolder
class ProductListingPage extends DataObjectAsPageHolder { } class ProductListingPage_Controller extends DataObjectAsPageHolder_Controller { //This needs to know be the Class of the DataObject you want this page to list static $item_class = 'Product'; //Set the sort for the items (defaults to Created DESC) static $item_sort = 'Title ASC'; }
mysite/code/Product.php (Extends DataObjectAsPage)
class Product extends DataObjectAsPage { //The class of the page which will list this DataObject static $listing_class = 'ProductListingPage'; //Class Naming (optional but reccomended) static $plural_name = 'Products'; static $singular_name = 'Product'; }
mysite/code/ProductAdmin.php (extends DataObjectAsPageAdmin)
class ProductAdmin extends DataObjectAsPageAdmin { public static $managed_models = array( 'Product' ); static $url_segment = 'products'; static $menu_title = 'Products'; }
And that's it! You now have a fully functioning, versioned, searchable DataObject as Page implementation! You can now carry on as normal and add all the fields you want to Product, implement your templates (see below) and see where you can take it.
You will see there are 2 very basic templates provided with the module, DataObjectAsPageHolder.ss and DataObjectAsPageHolder_show.ss. These are just to get you started but should show you how to setup your own. The modules show function makes use of SilverStripes automatic template finder which follows the naming convention [PageClass]_[action].ss. So for this module our [action] is 'show' meaning we just need to add a second template with _show on the end of our standard template for displaying the DataObject detail page.
Following this logic, if we wanted to create a template for our Products in the code above, we would have the following:
themes/mytheme/templates/Layout/ProductListingPage.ss (the page to list all the Products)

 <% include BreadCrumbs %>
 <% control Items %>

$Title

$Content.FirstParagraph
 View
 <% end_control %>

<% control Items %> is used to cycle through the DataObjects which are being listed on this page. If you check the 'Use Items as children' under the Behavior tab of the Listing Page, the items will also be returned as <% children %>, allowing you to include them in Menu's etc. You can also pass in an arberary limit to Items(), for example <% control Items(5) %> would give you the first 5 products.
themes/mytheme/templates/Layout/ProductListingPage_show.ss (the actual product page)

$Breadcrumbs

 <% control Item %>
$Title
 $Content <% end_control %>

On this page we use <% control Item %> to go into the current DataObject and display it's data, in this case just the default $Title and $Content.
Extending the Listing Page to do Fancy things
The Listing page is really the core of the module. It fetches and displays the relevent DataObjects and it's here that you can start extending in order to gain more control over how those DataObjects are returned by the Items function. We have built the module to allow you to extend the Listing Page functionality without having to re-write the core functions (in most cases). Primrily this section focuses on the functions you can use to manipulate the DO's that are retreived, but in a future tutorial we will look at creating specific functionality such as a URL based filtering system.
Pagination is built into the Module, and enabled by default. You can find the options to change the page size and disable it under the Behavior tab of your listing page, along with the switch to return your Items as Children of the listing page.
Manipulating the WHERE
/* * Overload the SQL WHERE builder */ public function getItemsWhere() { //Use this function to return a custom filter to the Items() function return "Date > CURDATE"; }
By adding a getItemsWhere() function to your ListingPage_Controller, you can manipulate the Where statement that is used when collecting all the DataObjects to list on this page. This allows you to build filtering into your page, dynamically adding extra conditions to the SQL. As a basic example you could return Date > CURRDATE(); if your DataObject had a Date field and you only wanted to show DataObjects where this date was after today.
Manipulating the Sort Order
As well as using the static $item_sort as detailed above, there is also a function which you can use to set the sort more dynamically:
/* * Overload the Sorting of Items */ function getItemsSort() { return "MyField DESC"; }
Manipulating the Join
/* * Overload the Join builder */ function getItemsJoin() { return [JOIN STATEMENT]; }
Pretty self explanitory, but here you can add a join to the SQL in the Items() function, so if you needed to filter on a related objects field, you could add the filter in the getItemsWhere() function then return the required Join here.
So there you have it, the first release of what will hopefully prove to be a useful module. Obviously it's in it's early days so if anyone has any suggestions as to how to improve it please let us know!
24/01/2012 1:10pm (5 years ago)
Looks intersting and useful. I'll try it out this week.
24/01/2012 2:44pm (5 years ago)
Hi Aram,
wonderful, I have been using "Dataobject as a Page" in many projects now and I will test this module next week.
There's one important piece of code that I use in addition, to write the DataObject-Pages into the sitemap.xml:
25/01/2012 1:02pm (5 years ago)
Thanks for sharing, this sounds really interesting!
We regularly use the "DataObjects as Pages" method for our websites and the fact that it is now a module not only facilitates the task of implementing it, but (perhaps the best feature) now also includes DataObjects in the search results... very nice.
Recently we gave UncleCheese's RemodelAdmin a shot which is actually the reverse of this - "Pages as DataObjects" comes pretty close to describing it. Great to know that we can now pick one of the two methods depending on what the project calls for, and not loose any functionality of the class we're attempting to mirror :-)
Matty Balaam
27/01/2012 9:43am (5 years ago)
I realise this isn't an issues at the moment and won't be for a while, but I'm guessing this won't be compatible with SS3 as GridField is going to replace DataObjects.
Do you think you'd have plans to update this module at that point? Do you think it will be an easy enough job to do, or a complete rewrite?
Matty Balaam
27/01/2012 3:03pm (5 years ago)
Ah, brilliant, great to know this module will be future proof, thanks for your clarification.
27/01/2012 7:10pm (5 years ago)
Great Stuff Aram, just popped on to look over the tutorial and lo and behold its wrapped and ready to go
31/01/2012 10:07pm (5 years ago)
Hi Aram,
i create product page and product, it's all ok.
But i need to have comments in all dataobject page.
I add $Pagecomments in my .ss template, but when i save it posts same comment in all pages.. can you help me? my code is post here
sorry for my english, i'm from italy
bye, max
31/01/2012 10:49pm (5 years ago)
Hey Aram, great module!
I'm creatjng a portfolio with it and it seems the pagination controls are missing from the template? Also I would like to see an example of category/tag filtering if anyone could help me there.
31/01/2012 11:03pm (5 years ago)
ok thanks I should have checked, I downloaded the day you posted this.
01/02/2012 8:36am (5 years ago)
Ok Aram,
thank you very much for your reply.
ok so if I understand correctly I have to create a form that records on a database (like UserForm) and pass an hidden field with the ID of the DO and then invoke in the template a query with the comments that have the id of the DO...
01/02/2012 10:08am (5 years ago)
ok I think I understand ;-)
I'll try tonight and then I can tell you ..
Meanwhile, thank you very much
Bart van Irsel
02/02/2012 8:52pm (5 years ago)
Hi Aram,
Thanks a lot for sharing this at exactly the right moment.
We're going to look into this for our project which can use this tomorrow!
03/02/2012 12:06am (5 years ago)
Hi Aram,
I almost solved, but when I try to pass the hidden field I get the following error:
[Notice] Trying to get property of non-object
my hidden field is:
new HiddenField ('ProductID', 'ProductID', $ this-> getCurrentProduct () -> ID)
where I'm wrong?
03/02/2012 2:12pm (5 years ago)
i tried:
$fields = new FieldSet(
new TextField('Nome', 'Nome *'),
new TextareaField('Commento', 'Commento *'),
/*new HiddenField('ProductID','ProductID','88'),*/
new PhpCaptchaField('Captcha','')
if($Product = $this->getCurrentProduct())
$fields->push(new HiddenField('ProductID','ProductID',$Product->ID));
but the value in DB is 0
03/02/2012 2:19pm (5 years ago)
ok great Aram!
i change my code and it's work great!!
function PostComments() {
// Create fields
$Params = Director::urlParams();
$fields = new FieldSet(
new TextField('Nome', 'Nome *'),
new TextareaField('Commento', 'Commento *'),
new HiddenField('ProductID','ProductID',''),
new PhpCaptchaField('Captcha','')
if($Product = $this->getCurrentProduct())
$fields->push(new HiddenField('ProductID','ProductID',$Product->ID));
// Create action
$actions = new FieldSet(
new FormAction('SendComment', 'Invia')
03/02/2012 2:38pm (5 years ago)
Thank you very much Aram!
04/02/2012 11:35pm (5 years ago)
Aram --
Thanks for the great module. It's an awesome point to build from. (An aside: www.mymuswell.com is a fantastic site. Well done.)
I just noticed that if you try to have a db field in an object with the same name as the object, it breaks the SQL queries the module uses. (I had a Quote object that had an HTML db field called Quote and another field called Author.) Probably a small thing since it's likely not best practice for a field in an object to share the object's name. Changing the field name solved the problem.
Thomas Apfelbacher
09/02/2012 9:42am (5 years ago)
Hi Aram,
thanks again for a nice and useful tutorial.
FYI: The demo login gives an error: [User Warning] Cookie 'alc_enc' can't be set. The site started outputting was content at line 2 in /.../demo_site/local-config.php
Greetings. Pipifix
Adam Stead
11/02/2012 2:48pm (5 years ago)
This is a great little module, we regularly use DataObjects as pages, now this module will streamline that progress. Hopefully we will be able to contribute more to it as we use it.
Daniel Schweiger
17/02/2012 7:45am (5 years ago)
thx for sharing this module.
Is it possible to manage the DataObjects from a own tab on the page, not via ModelAdmin?
Matty Balaam
24/02/2012 8:14pm (5 years ago)
I've been playing with this today, but run into a small problem. I can't get the child pages to show in nested navigation, unless I'm actually on the 'holder' page. Is this expected behaviour?
Matty Balaam
29/02/2012 2:15pm (5 years ago)
I've ran into another interesting issue.
As well as only showing the objects as menu items when I'm on a holder page, it I go ahead and extend DataObjectAsPage with a second class, every object for both appears on either holder page.
Thomas Apfelbacher
08/03/2012 9:06pm (5 years ago)
Hi Aram,
thanks again for this plugin. I've got two questions.
1.) Filter DOs by an enumfield
My DOs are persons. Their are categorized by orginisations they work in. (org1…org4). On my PersonListingPage i want to separate the items in different tabholder (Bootstrap UI Tabs). How to filter these items? Do i have to use function getItemsJoin()? And how to declare the JOIN statement?
2.) I receive an error by searching a title of these persons. "....WHERE (MATCH (Title,MetaDescription,Content) AGAINST ('Musik*' IN BOOLEAN MODE)) Column 'Title' in where clause is ambiguous". The whole Sitesearch is broken. Whats wrong?
Thanks, Thomas
Thomas Apfelbacher
12/03/2012 3:11pm (5 years ago)
It' me again.
I'll answer my first question.
The simple solution to this problem is GroupedBy. The code should looks like this.

<% control Items.GroupedBy(Orga) %>

<% if Children %>
<% control Children %>
 see details
<% end_control %>
<% else %>

There are no persons in this category, yet.

<% end_if %>
<% end_control %>
But it seems that unpublished data items will rendered too. i've got no glue whether this is a misbehavior of the doap-module or the <% if Children %> is misinterpreted.
Thomas Apfelbacher
27/03/2012 12:34pm (5 years ago)
Sorry, for messing up your comments section. But i want to answer myself for all the folks out there running in the same issue.
Broken Search: I gave the dataobject 'Person' a database column 'Title'. But thats allready used by the dataobjetcs-as-pages class itself. The following attributes are restricted:
'Status', 'URLSegment', 'Title','MetaTitle','MetaDescription' ,'Content'.
01/04/2012 4:44pm (5 years ago)
Aram, is it possible to embed a DataObjectManager into a DataObjectAsPage? I have a $has_many relation on my DOAP, but once I replace the default TableList with an DOM I can add the DataObjects, but once I try to view them I get and error on ViewableData.php
Warning: "strpos() expects parameter 1 to be string, array given" at line 268 of /Applications/MAMP/htdocs/X/sapphire/core/ViewableData.php
Aled Brown
08/04/2012 7:31pm (5 years ago)
Does this module allow easy translations of the sub pages for multi-lingual websites?
15/04/2012 9:15pm (5 years ago)
Just wondering how I'd call a DataObjectAsPage with AJAX, placing the usual if(Director::is_ajax()) and index call in the DataObjectAsPageHolder doesn't seem to work. It renders with the default DataObjectAsPageHolder_show for the Object in question
17/04/2012 12:37am (5 years ago)
Aram, I have the following in the index() of MyDataObjectAsPageHolderPage_Controller:
if(Director::is_ajax()/* || $_GET["ajaxDebug"]*/) {
return $this->renderWith(array('MyDataObjectAsPageHolderPage_ajax'));
} else {
return Array();
When I do ?debug_request the template specified in the renderWith() doesn't even show in the array. And if I call $isAjax is ajax in the template it shows 1
Thanks for any direction you can provide
02/06/2012 1:20pm (5 years ago)
Great module! Im having trouble using the doapsearch though... How would you call the sear on the page? $doapsearchform or?
Do you need to create a page template to receive the results?
09/06/2012 8:48pm (5 years ago)
Hey Aram, any plans on tweaking this for SS3. I've started slowly chunking away at it removing code that incompatible and trying to convert stuff to the new ORM
19/09/2012 1:15am (5 years ago)
How does this scale to SS3
20/09/2012 1:52am (5 years ago)
Hi Aram,
I've just started playing around with this and got it working successfully with a modified CsvBulkLoader, however I need to be able to clear down existing DataObjects and publish the new CSV DataObjects on upload.
Any ideas on how I can do that?
26/09/2012 9:23pm (5 years ago)
Hi Aram,
Great module with a lot of potential.
Does anyone have advice on creating a controller that will work on a second page type. My specific intent is to display a small number of the most recent entries on the home page in addition to the listing page described.
Any pointers appreciated!
30/09/2012 7:40pm (5 years ago)
Thanks Aram!
I knew it was something like that and I did eventually figure it out just before I checked in again.
As a newcomer, it's really helpful having so many people willing to give a few moments to offer pointers/advice. I hope to do the same once I become more familiar with things.
Much appreciated!
10/12/2012 2:37pm (5 years ago)
I have next error
[Notice] Undefined variable: table
in code
$results = $itemClass::get()->where($filter);
61 if($joins)
62 {
63 foreach($joins as $type => $join)
64 {
65 if($results->hasMethod($type))
66 {
67 $results = $results->$type($table, $join);
68 }
69 }
70 }
which defines the table property?
17/12/2012 10:01am (5 years ago)
Hello, this module is great, but ...
Any change somebody can shine a light on the ajax output ?
I have no idea where to put the
And what would be the structure of Ajaxtemplate.ss .
03/01/2013 10:19am (4 years ago)
Hi Aram, this module's really awesome! We've just launched a site which uses it quite extensively.
Just one weird thing, curious to hear if others have noticed; when in dev mode, if I save a record for the firs time (aka create a new item), my browser crashes (Chrome uses 100% CPU). Firefox just presents me with a empty page.
I can see the form being posted though, and Firefox receiving an ajax response from the server containing the updated form. When in live mode, all seems to be working just fine. Sounds like a js loop (maybe entwine missing a class or so in dev mode?).<
When I reload the page, the form has actually been saved and I can publish/save draft etc normally. Any ideas?
03/01/2013 12:44pm (4 years ago)
Nothing in onBefore/AfterWrite. I'll have to try the fresh install to see what happens, will post back here. Thanks!
06/01/2013 8:56am (4 years ago)
Hey Aram, made a fresh ss 3.0.3 install, added DOAP: no crashing. Enabled versioning on the DO: crashes.
It only crashes on initial saving of a NEW item (at which point I only have the 'save' button, not the versioning 'save & publish' etc, which show up AFTER initial save)
I'll try and debug further, will post back on Github.
09/01/2013 2:07am (4 years ago)
Hi this looks like a great module but I am having a little trouble installing it on a server running PHP 5.3.3 and SilverStripe 3.0.3. The installation seems to go smoothly, but afterword when I try to edit or create a new page in the admin it just hangs and I get no editor. After I remove the module, I am back to normal. Any ideas? Thanks!
09/01/2013 5:33pm (4 years ago)
Cancel the above comment, my fault I had a typo in TWO of the page types. That will teach me to work without my coffee. The module is installed and working GREAT, thank you for this AWESOME module :0)
09/01/2013 8:41pm (4 years ago)
I was wondering if you could comment on how to implement categories, as in the tutorial where you build the product catalog?
25/01/2013 11:28pm (4 years ago)
OK i have figured out implementing categories, but it seems that the BreadCrumbs are a little backwards if you view the product when your Product Listing Page is underneath another page....it goes like this:
ProductCat >> ProductCatParent >> ProductViewPage
I can't for the life of me figure out what is happening in the BreadCrumbs function, but shouldn't it read:
ProductCatParent >> ProductCat >> ProductViewPage
How to fix?
08/02/2013 9:20am (4 years ago)
Hi, this module is very usefull, thanks:-)
How can I except "/show/" from URL? I want to do cleaner URL for my clients.
I think I need to use $url_handlers variable, but I dont know how.
Thank you for advice.
19/05/2013 10:18pm (4 years ago)
Can I just ask, am I doing something wrong?
I've downloaded the module from Github link, added it to root folder. Create the 3 files as in the tutorial. Run Dev Build, and then there is nothing different in the CMS?
Your log in example is for 2.4.. It says for SS3 on Github but I don't get any changes in the CMS?
22/05/2013 10:21am (4 years ago)
Hi Aram, thank so much for the reply.
I have just looked and re downloaded version 3 from your branch. Added it to a fresh install of SS3.0.5, created the 3 files in MySite/Code. Done my dev/build and see it add tables then nothing in the CMS admin area. :(
22/05/2013 11:32am (4 years ago)
no, and I've installed FlexSlider module from GitHub just now and that shows up in the section. thanks
22/05/2013 12:31pm (4 years ago)
Hi Aram,
I have not literally downloaded a fresh copy of SS3.05, fresh copy of the branch 3.0 version of DOAP. Installed the CMS, added the files from the tutorial. DEV/BUILD.
and nothing.
Installed using MAMP, had a magic_quotes warning.. nothing else to report.
What on earth can I be doing wrong!?
22/05/2013 12:31pm (4 years ago)
*now, sorry.
22/05/2013 12:35pm (4 years ago)
OK major embarrassment!!!
I copied and pasted your page codes with out syntax highlighting... I missed
from the top of each file! sorry if i wasted your time! at least you know there is not a bug with your code! just me!
31/05/2013 10:04pm (4 years ago)
Hi Aram, love this module thank you!
2 questions. I've been trying but failed.
1. Best way to set the folder name for images,
This has no effect:
new UploadField('Photo', 'Photo', Null, Null, Null, 'Uploads/staff-photos/')
and this gives me an error:
$fields->addFieldToTab('Root.MemberImages', new UploadField('Image3','Member Image 3'));
[User Error] Uncaught Exception: Object->__call(): the method 'setfoldername' does not exist on 'FieldList'
2. Please point me in the right direction to create a front end filter / sort / search. I've seen lots of talk and snippets but not sure which one to use as I've not done it before. I want to have a drop down list or radio buttons etc. To be able to filter the results by the front end user.
many thanks
01/06/2013 8:52am (4 years ago)
Fixed my image folder issue: should included $uploadField =
$fields->addFieldToTab('Root.MemberImages', $uploadField = new uploadField('Image4','Member Image 4'));
01/06/2013 10:30am (4 years ago)
Hi Aram,
is there a way to make "DataObject as Pages" compatible with the subsite module? What i want to do is to give each subsite its own news.
Many thanks for your help and for the module.
25/10/2013 11:08pm (4 years ago)
I used this great module so far, the last time with Silverstripe v. 3.0.5 or so. Now I get crazy with Silverstripe v.3.1.1 ....it's not running. Or am I wrong? Anybody an idea what's the problem?
28/10/2013 3:33pm (4 years ago)
ooops - I ignored the github link
Thank Aram!
06/11/2013 4:05pm (4 years ago)
How can I have more than one productlistingpage for a product?
ex. productlistingpageone.php/ss and productlistingpagetwo.php/ss
I want the possibility of listing the products, in the frontend, in 2 different ways, e.g. one template with thumbnails and one template as a list.
would it be here:
static $listing_class = 'ProductListingPage';
Any help would be appreciated.
01/05/2014 6:41am (3 years ago)
Hi Aram,
I'm really looking forward to using this module for several projects, and I can't seem to get it to work. I started with a fresh install of SS 3.1.4 and the module. I copied & pasted all of your examples and can add products, but can't get them to display.
For some reason, it's using the Page.ss instead of the ProductListingPage.ss. The only way I can see the products is to list them as children and then they'll show up in the sidebar navigation but won't link to the ProductListingPage_show.ss page. Again, defaulting to the Page.ss layout. The URL shows up as http://test.local/products/show/oranges
Any ideas?
07/05/2014 11:34am (3 years ago)
Hi Aram,
thanks a lot for your work and the detailed documentation.
I am currently prototyping a new website project and therefor gave the DOAP-Module a shot. I 'm using the 3.1-branch.
I have created two different instances of DOAP-ListingPages per copy-pasting the code in this tutorial. It worked but had one major flaw: The data objects of the second instance only showed up under the first listing page.
Reading the README.md of the module I followed the hint and redefined
$listing_class = 'MyListingPage'
$listing_page_class = 'MyListingPage'
Now everything works as expected.
Next step: Make it translatable :)
Groetjes, niels
12/01/2015 9:09pm (2 years ago)
Hi Aram,
This is probably pretty simple: how do you enable searching on the data object pages?
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Just went to BMW website and it in fact specialty says steering tightens! I don't think I'm wrong on this, maybe a difference in features in the cars? I'm fully loaded except soft close doors
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Driving Experience Control.
How would you like to drive today? Driving Experience Control, fitted as standard, makes the difference. Adapt your BMW 5 Series Sedan to meet your needs or those of your passengers.
A touch of the Driving Experience Control next to the gearshift lever changes the level of driving pleasure from COMFORT to SPORT: the engine responds more spontaneously to the accelerator and the eight-speed transmission Steptronic lets the engine rev high before quickly changing up a gear.
At the same time the steering and chassis tighten
. Touch the paddle again to enter the SPORT + mode where the Dynamic Stability Control allows controlled drifting to the limit.
The currently active mode is permanently displayed underneath the speedometer, and in the SPORT mode the drive train and chassis settings can be quickly and individually configured using the iDrive Controller for dynamic driving on badly surfaced roads for example.
The COMFORT+ mode is available with Dynamic Damping Control which provides both the driver and passengers with maximum comfort on longer journeys.
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