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The Hardware Man Illawarra League - News Round 8
June 22, 2017
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June 16, 2017
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June 01, 2017
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May 25, 2017
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2017 Annual Rugby League Luncheon
May 17, 2017
Join players from the 1992 Illawarra and the St George Dragons as we go to the Ref's bunker to get the real score from the 1992 Final!
The Hardware Man Illawarra League - News Round 4
May 12, 2017
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May 04, 2017
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April 27, 2017
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League News - Round 1
April 21, 2017
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2017 Illawarra Sports Trainer Accreditation Courses
February 13, 2017
Please see the below of all Sports Trainer courses scheduled for the Illawarra, Group 7 and Group 16 areas in coming weeks/months.
2017 Illawarra Coach Accreditation Courses
February 09, 2017
Make sure your accreditations are up-to-date with this years coaching courses
November 9s coming soon!
September 21, 2016
Girls its time to get ready for the November 9s. This is a great opportunity to try Rugby League in the 9s format and enjoy a new and unique event with a DJ, NRL Development conducting skills sessions and heaps of fun.
Illawarra Coal League News - 2016 Grand Final Edition
September 09, 2016
Check out this weeks Illawarra League News for the 2016 Grand Final Edition. Best of luck to all teams playing!
Illawarra Coal League Final Series - Week 2
September 01, 2016
Check out this week's program for Week 2 of the 2016 Finals Series at the Collegians Sporting Complex in Figtree.
Illawarra Coal League Final Series - Week 1
August 25, 2016
Check out this week's program with Week 1 of the 2016 Finals Series to kick off and details on St George Illawarra's commitment to growing women's rugby league in the Region.
Illawarra Coal League News 2016 - Round 14
August 18, 2016
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2016 Illawarra Coal League Final Series
August 18, 2016
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Illawarra Coal League News 2016 - Round 13
August 12, 2016
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Illawarra Coal League News 2016 - Round 12
July 28, 2016
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Illawarra Coal League News 2016 - Round 11
July 16, 2016
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Illawarra Coal League News 2016 - Round 10
July 09, 2016
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Illawarra Coal League News 2016 - Round 9
June 30, 2016
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It's all Smiles for Women in League Round
June 29, 2016
The Illawarra Coal Rugby League has today launched the 2016 Smile Team Orthodontics Women in League Round to be played on 30 July at a time when women represent the fastest growing area of involvement in the sport.
Illawarra Coal League News 2016 - Round 8
June 24, 2016
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Illawarra Coal League News 2016 - Round 7
June 17, 2016
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Illawarra Coal League News 2016 - Round 6
June 09, 2016
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Home comforts for Illawarra's title push
May 31, 2016
ILLAWARRA coach Wade Forrester will allow injured duo Stewart Mills and Jacob Denford every opportunity to be fit in the region's pursuit of a fourth consecutive CRL Championships crown.
Illawarra Coal League News 2016 - Round 5
May 19, 2016
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Illawarra Coal League News 2016 - Round 4
May 05, 2016
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April 28, 2016
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Lord awarded 2016 Col Purcell scholarship
April 21, 2016
The 2016 Col Purcell scholarship recipient Riley Lord is looking forward to managing study and football after becoming the second Thirroul player to be receive the honour on Tuesday.
Illawarra Coal League News 2016 - Round 2
April 21, 2016
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Illawarra Coal League News 2016 - Round 1
April 14, 2016
Check out the first Illawarra Coal League News of 2016!
Canaries claim preseason bragging rights
March 21, 2016
HE described it as the toughest call of his life but former Helensburgh star Jason Raper's decision to shift south to Dapto paid early dividends on Saturday with a man of the match performance in the Canaries Challenge Cup triumph.
Steelers Challenge Cup Media Launch
February 23, 2016
The Steelers Challenge Cup will see the Illawarra Coal League 2016 season get underway with all clubs, including the returning Berkeley Eagles, joined by Canberra powerhouse Queanbeyan Blues in chasing the first title on offer for 2016.
Sports Trainer Course Dates 2016
December 17, 2015
The courses are listed in order of dates, and as you can see there are quite a number of opportunities to gain a full accreditation as well as complete any reaccreditations needed within your club.
Corrimal Cougars Celebrate Community Engagement
November 18, 2015
The Corrimal Cougars Rugby League Club will celebrate a unique initiative involving local indigenous artists and school children, who have contributed to a spectacular new mural that will be unveiled at the Cougar's home ground, Ziems Park on Monday 30 November.
Berkeley Eagles Building for 2016 Return to Illawarra Coal League
October 01, 2015
The Berkeley Eagles are moving ahead with plans to ensure their return to the Illawarra Coal League 1st grade competition is a successful one, with head coach Aaron McDonald confirming some exciting news.
Bati International to make triumphant return
October 01, 2015
It takes just five minutes with Illawarra back-rower Peni Botiki to understand how important the Country Firsts end-of-season tour really is.
From brink of extinction to Coal League kings
September 15, 2015
Ten years ago Helensburgh was a club on the brink of extinction.
Helensburgh Tigers celebrate Coal League premiership in style
September 15, 2015
For the Helensburgh Tigers, the 2015 Coal League first grade Premiers, Mad Monday was an opportunity to revel in their victory after 22 long years.
Drought relief as Helensburgh claim title
September 14, 2015
And with that, the witch is dead.
After 22 long years Helensburgh are once again the Illawarra Coal League kings following their 16-10 defeat of Wests in a grand final epic on Sunday.
League News - GRAND FINAL
September 11, 2015
Check out the final League News for this year with all your Grand Final details.
Key pair reunite for Illawarra league showdown
September 11, 2015
If form is anything to go by, Wests have the two key ingredients in halves Daniel Holdsworth and Nathan Dureau to secure the club's 16th premiership on Sunday.
Helensburgh determined to go one better
September 11, 2015
They could be forgiven for feeling an uncomfortable sense of deja vu but Helensburgh captain Steve McCallum says the Tigers aren't dwelling on the past ahead of Sunday's grand final clash with Wests.
Tigers at full strength for decider against Wests
September 07, 2015
A back-from-the-dead performance from five-eighth Jarrod Boyle spurred Helensburgh to their fourth grand final appearance in five years with a 16-12 victory over Thirroul on Saturday.
League News - Finals Series - Week 2
September 03, 2015
Check out this week's League News with details on the 2014 Grand Final rematch between Helensburgh and Thirroul this weekend to see who will face-off against Wests Illawarra in next weekend's 1st Grade Grand Final at WIN Stadium.
Devils secure grand final berth
August 31, 2015
Wests snatched premiership favouritism and the first berth in this year's grand final with a thrilling 28-26 victory over minor premiers Helensburgh in Sunday's major semi-final at WIN Stadium.
Butchers deliver after early scare
August 31, 2015
It was one of 10 tries in a high-scoring affair but both coaches agree Thirroul forward Joel Ruskin's 39th-minute four-pointer was the most telling moment of the Butchers' 34-24 minor semi-final victory over Dapto on Saturday.
League News - Finals Series - Week 1
August 27, 2015
Check out this week's program with the First Grade Minor Semi Final to be played between Dapto and Thirroul and the First Grade Major Semi Final between Helensburgh and Wests.
Thirroul Butchers hit form ahead of Coal League finals
August 24, 2015
The message from Thirroul captain-coach Luke Swain following his side's 34-4 demolition of Collegians on Saturday was ominous - "we're coming".
Costello to take over from Swain as Thirroul coach
August 21, 2015
They're still hoping to make an impact in the finals, but Thirroul have already begun planning for next year, appointing Jarrod Costello to take over from coach Luke Swain.
League News - Round 4 - Deferred Games
August 20, 2015
Check out this weeks League News for the Round 4 Deferred Games and Semi Finals.
League News - Round 15
August 14, 2015
Check out this weeks League News with more details on Berkeley's return to First Grade in 2016 and details on Corrimal's Grand Final Luncheon on the 11th of September.
Helensburgh eager to start finals footy
August 10, 2015
He's yet to see any complacency creep into his side's performance but Helensburgh coach Ryan Powell says the Tigers can't wait until week one of the play-offs to flick the finals switch.
League News - Round 14
August 06, 2015
Check out this week's League News with a write up on Corrimals gutsy run home to the finals and details on the Steelers/Dragons players and officials reunion that will run in conjunction with the Dragons home game at WIN Stadium on August 20.
Canaries survive early scare to overrun Dogs
August 03, 2015
Dapto survived a first-half scare before coming from behind to beat Collegians 26-12 on Saturday at Dapto Showground.
Defeat cuts deep for Butchers
August 03, 2015
Thirroul captain-coach Luke Swain lamented the Butchers' inability to execute in crunch time after Saturday's 30-24 loss to Wests at Parrish Park.
League News - Round 13A
July 31, 2015
Check out all the latest for Round 13A which sees an exact repeat of all last weeks games.
July 28, 2015
Make sure you are across all the up-to-date Senior draws for the Illawarra Coal League, Illawarra Coal Shield and the Women in Defence League.
Thirroul stay on target with win over Wests
July 27, 2015
Thirroul showed they still have the arsenal to defend their 2014 crown with a 22-8 victory over Wests in tough conditions at Parrish Park on Sunday.
CPR Update Course
July 23, 2015
A CPR update course is being presented on Monday evening at WIN Stadium from 6.00pm to 10.00pm.
League News - Round 13
July 23, 2015
Check out this weeks League News for Round 13.
League News - Round 12
July 16, 2015
Check out this weeks League News with a great write up on Helensburgh's First Grade win last week over Thirroul and part of Dapto's 60th Birthday celebrations to take place this Saturday.
Helensburgh maintain dominance as Thirroul trip up
July 13, 2015
It wasn't pretty but Helensburgh continued their dominance at the top of the Illawarra Coal League ladder with a come-from-behind 18-12 victory over Thirroul at Gibson Park on Saturday.
League News - Round 11
July 09, 2015
Check out this weeks League News with a comprehensive write up of Round 10 and info on Radio Hub's live call of the Thirroul V Helensburgh game this weekend.
Tiger cubs sharpen claws
July 06, 2015
Helensburgh gave themselves a four-point buffer atop the Illawarra Coal League ladder with a 24-10 victory over Wests at Parrish Park on Sunday.
League News - Round 10
July 03, 2015
Check out all the latest Illawarra Coal League news including a write up of the Helensburgh Tigers solid form over the last week with winning the Challenge Cup over Thirroul and having significant representation in the NSW Country sides.
League News - Round 9A
June 26, 2015
Check out all the latest Illawarra Coal League news including the details from Illawarra's victory at NSW Country Rugby League Championships last weekend in Mudgee.
Nine Illawarra players earn Country call
June 22, 2015
Illawarra's long-running dominance of the CRL Championships has finally paid dividends at the representative selection table.
** Deferred Games for this weekend **
June 19, 2015
Please be advised the following games scheduled are deferred due to the recent rain...
League News - Round 9
June 18, 2015
Check out this weeks League News with articles on the Helensburgh Tigers win over the Thirroul Butchers in the Challenge Cup Final last week and a preview of this weekend's Illawarra defence of the Tier 1 Country Championship this weekend in Mudgee.
Helensburgh take out Challenge Cup final
June 15, 2015
Premiership it ain't, but the trophy-starved Helensburgh Tigers finally collected a piece of silverware with a comprehensive 24-4 defeat of Thirroul in Sunday's Challenge Cup final at Figtree.
Merged Comp Ladders - Round 7
June 11, 2015
With a slight glitch in the website, please see the current ladders for all Merged Competition ages.
Wests Devils go top after fiery win over Dapto
June 01, 2015
Wests exacted some revenge and claimed top spot on the ladder with a tense 22-16 victory over Dapto on Saturday in match that ended with 10 players on 11 as tempers flared shortly before full-time.
Fullback Grose praised as Thirroul beat Corrimal
June 01, 2015
Thirroul coach Luke Swain reserved special praise for fullback Brent Grose as the Butchers outgunned Corrimal in an entertaining battle at Ziems Park on Saturday.
League News - Round 7
May 29, 2015
Check out this weeks League News with articles on the Illawarra Representative side chosen to defend their Tier 1 Country Championship and Wests tribute to deceased life member Max Powell prior to their game against Dapto.
League News - Round 6
May 22, 2015
The Illawarra Coal League News for Round 6.
Embattled Berkeley to return to Illawarra Coal League next season
May 21, 2015
Berkeley's 60th anniversary will be a genuine celebration this year after the Eagles confirmed they will return to the Illawarra Coal League first grade competition in 2016.
Injured Raper and Phillips out for Helensburgh
May 20, 2015
Helensburgh will be without fullback Jason Raper for up to three months after the competition's premier No 1 underwent surgery on a broken jaw on Tuesday.
Second-half comeback delights Wests coach Ryles
May 19, 2015
Wests brought Helensburgh's flying start to the season to a screeching halt on Saturday with a gritty 26-12 away win at Rex Jackson Oval
League News - Round 5
May 14, 2015
Hello sunshine! Get all the latest news for this weekends Round 5 fixtures across the Illawarra.
Thirroul to play Helensburgh in Challenge Cup final
May 11, 2015
The Challenge Cup final will be a Coal League grand final replay after Thirroul and Helensburgh on Saturday advanced to the June decider.
League News - Round 3A
May 08, 2015
Check out all the latest program for this Fridays abridged games of the Illawarra Coal League and the Cash Back App Challenge Cup Semi Finals.
League News - Round 4
April 30, 2015
Check out all the latest news for Round 4 of the Illawarra Coal League with info about the top of the table clash between Helensburgh and Dapto and re-scheduled matches doe to the recent wet weather.
League News - Round 3
April 24, 2015
Although there will be no football this weekend, this weeks program is full of great stories to celebrate the Centenary of the ANZACs.
Dapto Canaries notch big win
April 21, 2015
Dapto coach Chris Leikvoll insists his side won't be getting ahead of themselves despite notching their biggest win in a number of seasons over Wests with a 30-22 scoreline on Saturday.
Helensburgh maintain top of ladder position
April 21, 2015
It won't go down as their prettiest win of the season but Helensburgh maintained their spot at the top of the ladder with 20-12 victory over a willing Collegians outfit on Saturday.
League News - Round 2
April 17, 2015
Check out all the latest news for Round 2 of the Illawarra Coal League with information on the ANZAC weekend clash at the Collegians Sporting Complex.
Helensburgh Tigers dominant in grand final rematch against Thirroul Butchers
April 13, 2015
Helensburgh have set a scorching pace to open the Illawarra Coal League season, producing a crushing 34-8 victory over Thirroul in a grand final rematch at Gibson Park on Saturday.
Want to become a referee?
April 10, 2015
The next On-Line Level 1 Referee Course is now available for access on-line.
New recruit Denford to captain Corrimal Cougars
April 10, 2015
Corrimal promise to produce the unexpected this year, but it's unlikely they'll match the surprise new skipper Jacob Denford felt when handed the captaincy.
League News - Round 1
April 10, 2015
Check out the first League News for the 2015 Season!
2015 Illawarra Division Draws Released!
April 01, 2015
With the 2015 season kick-off fast approaching, don't forget to check out the Illawarra Coal League, Illawarra Coal Shield and the Women in Defence League draws here.
Wheelchair Rugby League Australia - Expression of Interest
April 01, 2015
In preparation for a State versus State and the 2017 World Cup, Wheelchair Rugby League Australia are calling for expressions of interest for several positions.
Thirroul beat Collegians in Challenge Cup
March 30, 2015
Defending premiers Thirroul showed they won't easily surrender their title in 2015 with a commanding 26-4 Challenge Cup victory over Collegians on Saturday.
Roosters dominated by unbeaten Steelers
March 23, 2015
The Illawarra Steelers remain unbeaten in the SG Ball Cup following a thumping 36-16 victory over the Sydney Roosters at Jubilee Oval.
Jordan Tencate ready for challenge
March 23, 2015
Round one of the inaugural Challenge Cup will be a homecoming on two fronts for boom Corrimal recruit Jordan Tencate.
Heartache motivates Helensburgh hard man
March 23, 2015
Helensburgh hard man Blake Phillips says the pain of the Tigers' 18-16 defeat in the 2014 grand final at the hands of Thirroul hasn't gone away.
Helensburgh Tigers sound warning with huge victory
March 23, 2015
Helensburgh sounded an ominous warning to their Coal League rivals with a 78-4 thrashing of Aquinas in the opening round of the Illawarra Challenge Cup on Saturday.
2015 AAMI Lucky Fund is back!
March 19, 2015
It's been over a decade since AAMI proudly partnered with NSW Country Rugby League and that support continues in 2015 with the AAMI Lucky Fund.
Thirroul Butchers chase Gibson Park upgrade
March 04, 2015
Defending premiers Thirroul have taken the first step in ensuring their long-term future at Gibson Park.
February 25, 2015
Former Rabbitoh and Shark Brett Kearney signs up with Collegians
February 16, 2015
Former Rabbitohs and Sharks fullback Brett Kearney will add his name to a growing list of ex-NRL talent in the Illawarra Coal League after linking with Collegians for the 2015 season.
Siblings to add thrust to Cougars strikepower
February 16, 2015
Corrimal may have found a solution to their point-scoring woes after adding Group Seven's leading point-scorer Mark Brandon to their 2015 roster.
League trials sponsorship model at Challenge Cup
February 16, 2015
The Illawarra Rugby League will trial an innovative sponsorship model when the inaugural Challenge Cup officially kicks off in March that could prove a new way forward for the game at grassroots level.
Six Illawarra teams in CRL-sanctioned knockout competition
February 16, 2015
He'll be wearing rival colours but Thirroul premiership winner Nathan Wynn will look to utilise the Butchers' match-winning blueprint when he leads Gymea into the inaugural Challenge Cup in March.
The night the music died
November 27, 2014
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All stars come to Wollongong
September 11, 2014
Some of the NRL's biggest stars are coming to Wollongong for a junior clinic! Find out details here.
Butchers defy Tigers in absorbing decider
September 08, 2014
What a final!The Butchers were too good yesterday, and extended Helensburgh's Illawarra Rugby League First Grade Premiership drought for another year. Nathan Fien has hailed his team's efforts, as well as the guts shown by the Tigers. Mitch Jennings has the full story here
Burgh boys will be back
September 08, 2014
Two heartbreaking grand final results won't deter the Burgh boys, who are already looking to next year, writes Mitch Jennings. read the full story here.
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Sons first youth hunt......
We video'd my sons first youth hunt, thought you guys would appreciate:
Congratulatins to Dad & Son!!! Thank you for sharing this awesome video with us. :thumbup:
thanks - love the deer anatomy - was just showing my son, he loves it.
awsome, Im waiting on my grand daughter to get old enough to go with papa
First this is an awesomely done video ! Now I hate to be one to point out but this is what I was just talking about in my post. About people using youth to hunt, the boy in the video even said "my dad missed that one"and the whole thing is suppose to be a youth hunt.
Now don't get me wrong I feel it's great to take youth hunting but if they are unable to hunt their self, this video should had been in the regular adult season and not an adult taking advantage of a youth preseason. Just my opinion, but still a greatly done video, and great early experance for that realy young man.
I don't understand, it's a youth hunt, but dad is taking the shots??? I'd call that a law violation and maybe not a good video to put across the air waves. I endorse youth mentoring 100% not breaking the law!
I'm not trying to be critical, but I simply don't understand what this is. First of all, can a 5 year legaly hunt in that state? It's not clear to me who actually shot the deer. Did dad use his tag, or did the boy have a tag? The video is very nice, but some explanation of what this is, other than "son's first youth hunt", would be appreciated.
Great video Chris, and I would like to commend you for taking the time and effort to introduce your young boy to the outdoors, as we have many members here at DHC who also put forth the time and effort with their kids as well. Yes, in Pennsylvania it is totally legal for a 5 year old to deer hunt under their "Mentored Youth Program". The program is for kids UNDER the age of 12. Kids from the ages of 12 through 16 are called Junior License Holders and the designated Youth Hunts are for them. As Chris said, this hunt occurred during the general archery season. Yes, the youngster has his or her own tag, they cost $2.70, this is the tag they were buying in the video(I assume). The mentor also has to have the appropriate license/tags for the species being hunted. Only one weapon legal for that species may be brought on the hunt. Previous to 2011 only antlered deer were legal under the program, but the Pa. Game Commission changed that before the 2011 deer season to include antlerless deer too. Hope this helps clear up the confusion. Once again Chris, great job, keep it up. The future of hunting lies with these youngsters.
TLF, good post! However, I still highly question the legality of the actual shooting, who pulled the trigger? Taking a five year old out hunting means several years of teaching on all aspects of the hunt. They are taught to be patient, learn how to shoot, learn some of the game habbits, learn when to shoot. My son was eight when he started all the above and then was allowed to carry when he was 12. I endorse highly, taking kids out and teaching them the great outdoors and all the responsibilities that go hand in hand with that responsibility but a five year old sitting in his Dad's lap and the Dad probably pulling the trigger! It's not not my idea of responsible teaching, I may be missing something here but from what I see gives me bad vibes. I am certainly not trying to make something out of a molehill here just giving my 2 cents worth. Hopefully the child grows up to be a great woodsman!
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Today Senator Mike Lee, a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, voted against the confirmation of Senator Chuck Hagel to be Secretary of Defense. He released the following statement:
"While I am grateful for former Senator Chuck Hagel's service as a soldier in Vietnam and as a U.S. Senator, I cannot support his nomination to be the next Secretary of Defense.
"Senator Hagel's record on the issues most important to our national security is weak and his positions are dangerous. It is the long-standing foreign policy of the United States to not negotiate with terrorists. Hezbollah is the best-funded, best-organized, and best-equipped Foreign Terrorist Organization in the world. Yet Senator Hagel has called for direct talks between the United States and Hezbollah and Hamas. In addition, Senator Hagel's call for enormous cuts to the U.S. nuclear arsenal is dangerous and shortsighted.
"Senator Hagel's changing positions on Israel are also troubling. Israel is, without doubt, the most important ally the United States has in the Middle East. We cannot afford to jeopardize our relationship with Israel or send a weak signal to their enemies.
"In addition, Senator Hagel has complied only with the bare minimum required by the committee regarding certain funding sources for his activities, although there are still many troubling questions. Instead of following precedents set by other top level cabinet nominees, Senator Hagel has chosen to set up roadblocks.
"We need strong leadership at the Pentagon. Senator Hagel has not shown himself to be the right person for the job."
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A British artist's clever use of Twitter lands him more than 5,000 followers in just a few days.
British artist Greg Burney has found an interesting way of utilizing social media to market his artistry to a wider audience. Using Twitter as his driving vehicle, Burney announced that he "will hand-draw the profile picture of every new follower [he gets] for the next two weeks," then he will tweet it to them.
The Twitter project, called #drawmyfollowers, drew a large audience of over 2,000 new followers in just four days, causing Burney to set a limit of 3,000 drawings. Burney now has over 5,000 followers. He explains:
I aim to complete this as soon as possible and—once finished—hope it will provide me with some opportunities in the world of social media. Perhaps even career opportunities in social media, graphic design or branding, who knows.


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Monday, January 3, 2011
In Defense of Blogging Agents
As someone who spent part of my time blogging about The Hills and other assorted reality television shows, I can see how charges of unseriousness may be appealing! One might even say, "Sweet, my answer is get out of my car."
But for this first post of 2011, during a time when Facebook is fast becoming the biggest site on the entire Internet, venture capitalists are pouring money into social media startups, and every company on Earth is trying to figure out how to harness the power of social media, it's just a tad strange to me that people are still denigrating the agents who are trying to use blogs, Facebook, and Twitter to further their own careers and their clients' careers.
It sure seems like we're witnessing a revolution in the way in which we connect with each other, including the way we hear about and discover books, and it behooves agents to stay abreast of those changes.
Now, to be sure, situations vary, and I'm not saying that all blogging/Tweeting agents are wholly created equal or that all uses of social media are uniformly positive. But social media is a powerful tool, and there are quite a few agents out there using it as a force for good.
Let's examine some of the myths about blogging agents, and hopefully dispel them:
Myth: Only small-time agents blog.
Among the many agents who blog include Jane Dystel, blogging at the Dystel and Goderich blog. Among her clients are...... one President Obama. How about Betsy Lerner, agent for National Book Award winner Patti Smith? How about Kristin Nelson? Her numbers for 2010 weren't too shabby. On Twitter you have Curtis Brown UK agent/managing director Jonnny Geller.
I could go on (and apologies to the ones I'm leaving off this cursory list -- you are awesome too!)
There are blogging agents across the career spectrum, from the just-starting-out to the extremely well-established. Trying to paint all blogging agents with one brushstroke is going to inherently be inaccurate. There are agents of all stripes utilizing social media.
Myth: Real agents don't have time to blog/Tweet/Facebook because they're too busy
There is enough time in the day.
One of the inevitabilities of being an agent using social media is that your clients follow you and know rather precisely how much time you're spending online. And if an agent were really spending too much time online instead of attending to their needs: their clients would know it. And they wouldn't be happy.
In fact, the agents I know personally who utilize social media tend to be among the most passionate and ambitious about their work. These are the people who are working more than full time jobs and still trying to help out the unpublished and promote their clients' work on top of that. They're passionate enough to be blogging and Tweeting in addition to their jobs, not instead of their jobs.
But while there may well be agents out there who overdo it, social media needn't consume one's life and doesn't have to take up too much time. While I was an agent I was spending about half an hour writing each post on this blog and another half hour or so reading comments. One hour a day. That's a TV show. Or my daily time on the bus (during which I usually read comments). And even on top of that I would store up posts on the weekends in case things were crazy during the week.
There really is enough time in the day.
Myth: The fact that a few blogging agents have left publishing is proof that they were more serious about blogging than about publishing
This is the one that I've been occasionally roped into for whatever reason.
The truth is that a lot of people have left publishing in the last few years for a variety of reasons, just as a lot of people have decided to pursue a career in publishing in the last few years for a variety of reasons. Turnover is inevitable in any industry, particularly one in a period of transition. And I don't think there's any evidence to suggest that blogging agents are more likely to leave publishing than non-blogging agents. I certainly always always knew that being an agent came before blogging, and I took my job extremely seriously. My bosses, clients, and colleagues were reading my blog. If I wasn't getting my job done because I was blogging, they all would have known it.
Myth: There is one right way to be an agent
Every agent plays to their own personal strengths. Some agents are fabulously well-connected, with ties to elite social circles and are able to hobnob with all the right people. Some agents are gossip hounds, knowing everything about everyone and making it their business to have all the best and latest information. Some agents are mega-readers, and have read every writer on the planet and scour the small presses and lit journals for talent. Some agents have ties to MFA programs and use those connections to find up-and-comers.
Some agents are good at social media, and use that to their advantage to find new clients and cast a wide net.
There is no one right or wrong way to be an agent, and in any competitive industry it pays to utilize your own strengths. Everyone has to find the strategy that works for them, and saying that this or that strategy is unserious or doesn't work is foolhardy.
But really all you need to know about agents and social media is this: it works. Authors are able to get a preview of an agent's style and see if they'd like to work with them, agents using social media are casting a wider net and finding the authors they want to represent, and authors using social media are more educated about the business, better connected, and better able to make good decisions about their career.
Facility in social media is a new competitive advantage, and the ones who are good at it are reaping the benefits.
80 comments:
- Elizabeth May said...
I've also heard the opposite myth: That agents who don't blog, or put themselves out on social networking sites, aren't as serious about promoting their clients or taking on new ones.
It's strange the kind of things people will come up with!
- January 3, 2011 at 10:05 AM
- Emma said...
This makes total sense to me. You could write a similar post, "In Defense of Blogging Writers." It may seem silly to some that I spend time writing a blog while also trying to finish my book, but it's all part of the big picture!
- January 3, 2011 at 10:07 AM
- Joseph L. Selby said...
50% of the books I read in 2010 were suggested to me by agents through their blogs or Twitter feeds. I did not read them because the agent said to. I respect those agents, looked at the books they recommended, and thought they sounded interesting enough to give them a try.
I am absolutely certain, however, that if they had never recommended them, I never would have looked at them in the first place.
- January 3, 2011 at 10:07 AM
- jpcabit said...
I like how you said that if you were spending too much time on the 'Net, your clients would know.
The thing about this is: Your clients are, by deduction, happy with the work you're doing. That's what's important! It's not like you NEED to take on more clients…goodness, I can only imagine the load of work that you have to do with all those books swimming around in your head. Agents are not public servants. If they were a governmental organization, then we might have a problem with internet browsing. But other than that, dude, it's your business!!! :)
- January 3, 2011 at 10:09 AM
- Susan Kaye Quinn said...
Just as there's no one way to be a writer, but those that can navigate the social media reap the benefits of that.
My 70 year old mother was berating her friends over Christmas because they weren't on facebook. She couldn't understand why they wouldn't want to stay connected to their kids and grandkids.
The world, she is a changin'.
- January 3, 2011 at 10:10 AM
- Katrina said...
I think it's incredible that people criticize agents for spending time social networking. I just posted a page on my blog yesterday for writers who are starting out, covering lots of the things I've learned and resources I've found valuable since I decided to write a novel. As I was writing that page, it occurred to me how useful agents' blogs and Twitter have been. (You're on there, Nathan, because I think you help clarify a lot of the mysteries of publishing.)
I started wondering whether the time it takes between "Hmm...I think I'll write a novel" and publication has decreased since the internet started because there are so many more resources available and much better access to experts like agents.
As a writer who hasn't started querying yet, I particularly love agents who tweet and blog because it gives me a chance to get to know them before deciding whether to query them. There are some agents I can tell I'd click with, and there are others I find interesting but wouldn't want to represent me. Hopefully that means whatever agent I end up partnering with will be a great match. Sort of like dating or living together before you get married instead of an arranged marriage based on other people's opinions about how well you'd fit together.
Sorry, should've probably written that as a blog post instead of a comment. I'll sum up by thanking the agents who take the time to network.
- January 3, 2011 at 10:16 AM
- Matthew Rush said...
I had no idea this sentiment existed, but I completely agree (with you, not the sentiment). In fact I'm more concerned about agents who don't blog, or at least tweet.
- January 3, 2011 at 10:25 AM
- Josin L. McQuein said...
Nothing like painting with a broad brush to get the details right.
First, people who complain about agents blogging, twittering, visiting sites, etc, are making the assumption that doing any of those things is to the detriment of their agent responsibilities.
Do they want to complain that eating lunch makes them less serious about their job, or running to the bathroom?
Coffee breaks take longer than posting a notice to Twitter, and time spent on social media can be just as effectively budgeted as those "acceptable" breaks.
Agent blogs are an excellent resource, not only for the obvious things like learning how to query properly and finding out what's standard procedure (so as to avoid the scammers out there), but it also helps writers know if a particular agent matches their personality. If you can't get along with someone on a blog, then you probably can't work with them.
- January 3, 2011 at 10:26 AM
- Chelsey a said...
I definitely prefer it when agents blog and I can get a feel for them as a person, and the way they interact online. Plus, blogging agents tend to promote their clients books through the site, helping the client and giving me an idea of books to read to get a better feel for their list.
- January 3, 2011 at 10:46 AM
- Anna said...
Very thoughtful post. As a writer, I have personally found agents blogs to be extremely useful both for the advice given and to learn about their clients. I agree that I wouldn't have heard about some of the authors I read if I hadn't heard about them from an agent.
- January 3, 2011 at 10:52 AM
- Donna Talarico said...
Fantastic post. I totally agree. I think blogging and tweeting agents have put a big smiling face to the industry. This is comforting to me, as an aspiring author. I've learned a tremendous amount. Consider this RT'd!
- January 3, 2011 at 11:01 AM
"Myth: The fact that a few blogging agents have left publishing is proof that they were more serious about blogging than about publishing
This is the one that I've been occasionally roped into for whatever reason."
That made me laugh. Plus, clients do the whole blogging/tweeting/facebooking thing. Does that mean THEY aren't spending enough time working? Most celebrities do all the social media stuff- yet we STILL see them all over the news/magazines/every shop windows. Face it Nathan- people are out to get agents because they presume all agents press reject to every query they are ever sent whilst cackling hideously. It's a pretty dangerous world out there for those poor souls; it's not a suprise some really good agents are leaving the field (ahm).
- January 3, 2011 at 11:01 AM
- David said...
Oh, well, there are still people who think that real writers use typewriters, not these new-fangled computer gadgets.
A century ago, real writers wrote by hand, not with those new-fangled typewriter gadgets.
Dip pens, preferably quills, not those new-fangled fountain pen gadgets.
Clay tablets, not those ...
- January 3, 2011 at 11:08 AM
- sharongerlach said...
I definitely like it when an agent blogs--you can get a feel for the agent as a person, not just a cog in the publishing machine. I've found most blogging agents are putting very useful information out there that demystifies the whole publishing gig. That's a good thing, despite the naysayers.
- January 3, 2011 at 11:13 AM
- Steve said...
I guess it doesn't matter if an agent blogs, but if an agent's number one job is to make his/her client money, how does blogging accomplish that?
I don't want my doctor, dry cleaner, or the pilot of any airplane I'm on blogging. Those people are in charge of my health and well-being and need to focus 100% on their work. Anyone else, blog away.
- January 3, 2011 at 11:16 AM
Agent blogs are highly useful to writers who want to find out more about how to focus their work in the right place. So agents are smart to do that. I think writers grasp at the idea that agents are wasting time, though, because of the discouraging number of times we send our work into thin air, without any acknowledgment of receipt or response from reputable agents, sometimes even when more material has been requested. It is misplaced blame, but it stems from real frustration.
- January 3, 2011 at 11:24 AM
- Patricia A. Timms said...
No defense needed in my opinion. Surely, my thoughts on the subject are coming from an unagented writer who appreciates the blogging agents, but I still think you don't need to defend your position here.
To each their own. Eff the unagented who can't take a joke. I've been following your blog since last year and found it extremely helpful in more way than one.
Before the blogging world, querying existed solely in a vacuum. I know because I tried querying in the late 90's. I would pack up my children's book, with a make-shift query and wait 6 months for a response, from what? A nice agent, a bully? There was no way of knowing outside of The Writer's Market and The Guide to Literary Agent's. Those were books, people, not web addresses. I gave up after just a few queries.
Blogging Land and blogging agents helps me understand what the industry is looking for, and what the queries should read like.
I don't comment all the time, but I follow. You're doing just fine in my opinion. Happy New Year!
- January 3, 2011 at 11:27 AM
- Kathryn Packer Roberts said...
I actually appreciate it when agents blog. I don't ever consider that they are ignoring work, but rather I like that they are spending the time to give me, a writer up and coming, some inside sentaments to their world.
The only comments that sort of bug me are when people complain that writers don't stay consistant writing blog posts. How do you feel about this, Nathan?
Is it mandatory that a writer be consistant in blog posts when they are striving to work hard on their WIP? I hope it isn't detrimental to my platform, say if I only post once or twice a month sometimes. ???
- January 3, 2011 at 11:31 AM
- Watcher55 said...
Everything I know about the publishing business I learned on NB. I stumbled in here a month and a half ago because I had one question: How do I approach an agent? At the time I thought a query was just a probing question.
Well here I am - a grouchy old schooler who still uses pencil and paper and wants progress to take a break for a couple of decades but the business side of my brain is whistling a different tune.
As a writer with decisions to make, I HAVE to learn to interact with and use social media.
It seems to me that "finding" an agent has a lot in common with the interview process, and agents who use social media help me decide whether the process should procede to the query stage.
- January 3, 2011 at 11:33 AM
- Bryan Russell (Ink) said...
Social Media! Good stuff! I mean, I wouldn't know you if it weren't for the blog, and then who would I tell all my Sacramento Kings jokes to?
- January 3, 2011 at 11:35 AM
- Tracey Neithercott said...
Plenty of people blog and use Twitter in addition to holding a day job. Why should agents be any different?
I'm not less likely to use a lawyer or doctor or hairdresser or caterer because they blog in their free time. And, besides, I think it's great that some agents use their free time to help out unpubbed writers and promote their writers.
- January 3, 2011 at 11:38 AM
- Elaine AM Smith said...
Blogging and tweeting have removed the mysticism surrounding literary agents. Humanised the process. All agents should step into the light: blog and tweet away.
- January 3, 2011 at 11:38 AM
- Eileen said...
I find it absurd that anyone would decide they know how others should spend their day. Obviously, writers should never blog or tweet because if we were serious we would be writing. Um...yeah.
- January 3, 2011 at 11:42 AM
- Mira said...
Impressive post, Nathan. Well spoken and argued.
I completely agree that social networking is not only appropriate, but recommended for agents who have that talent. Your post highlighted two points for me.
The first is that networking of any kind is an agent's bread and butter. Social networking allows an agent to network with thousands.
The second is being able to promote your clients, as you said, which includes free advertising space on the blog, is one of the few ways an agent can directly promote the books they represent.
There are some mistakes that blogging agents can make - query bashing for example - but as social networking becomes customary, the 'best' way to blog will most likely become standardized.
Great post, and this is an aside, but I also like the way that you organized the post into 'myths'. That's a really good way to make multiple points while keeping your readers engaged - I'm going to remember that.
- January 3, 2011 at 11:42 AM
- swampfox said...
I think it's a good thing that there is more than one way to skin a cat. Actually, I like cats.
- January 3, 2011 at 12:14 PM
- JohnO said...
The news today that Goldman Sachs pumped $500 million into Facebook doesn't exactly hurt your case.
- January 3, 2011 at 12:33 PM
- Sara said...
What?! I'm surprised and bummed to hear that people actually buy into/propagate these myths. One word: haters!
And there's only one thing to say to haters, "Sweet, and my answer is to get out of my car (or off my blog)."
As a newbie to this industry who knew zip about zilch, I've found this blog to be INVALUABLE in terms learning and understanding the publishing/writing/agenting processes.
This blog (and others like it) also suggested authors/agents who books/blogs I would've never known about otherwise. Can we put a precise value on creating these connections and (in some cases) boosting sales? Maybe not an exact one, but that doesn't mean it's not there.
- January 3, 2011 at 12:39 PM
- Julie Kingsley said...
Amen! I love a blogging agent. Blogging agents lay it all out on the line. They are essentially not a blind date (which I've never had in real life, but wish I did), you know what I mean. On a blind date, you don't know if you are bringing a vegan to the York Steak House! Same in publishing! Just tell me and I'll obey your rules. I'm a rule follower. Just can't help it. It's the not knowing that gets me in trouble.
On that note... I adore Twitter for writing tips. So fun.
- January 3, 2011 at 12:40 PM
- Katie Mills said...
I've read all the above accusations and it's easy to fall into grouping everyone together- agents who blog, agents who don't, agents who leave the business who also blog, agents who leave the business who don't...:) But you're right in that it really is a case by case basis. Blogging has equal power to help or hurt a career in publishing, no matter which side of the fence you're on and you have the right to defend yourself and set the record straight in your case.
- January 3, 2011 at 12:43 PM
In Defense of Professional Rivalry
You bloggers are a bunch of johnnie-come-latelies who are pushing out tried and true methods as old and reliable as conversating in person.
Blogging is just a highfalutin new term for soapboxing eyes instead of ears. Web dialogue that's really one-sided pontificating.
A blog is a platform for self-serving self-promotion at the expense of the real work of meeting and greeting genuine movers and shakers over cocktails and golf courses and cigars in smoky skyscraper back rooms.
Blogging avoids critical review by coworker peers and favors mass culture appeals weighted with emotionally irrelevant tripe.
Blogging runs right past the personal touch of a handshake. You can't tell a polecat from a lilac shat in a ziplock bag from a lumberjack boondocker when all there is is words to go by.
Without professional rivalry condemning blogging there'd be no personal touch of opposition to push and pull passionate clashing progression, nothing to talk about with a gaggle of yessayers, no easy platform from which to launch a personality cult, no alternative but to get into the hard and challenging real work of social networking as social engineering for justificating the ongoing depersonalization of interpersonal relations by making 'em more personal like but never quite able to fully substitute for in-person interaction.
- January 3, 2011 at 12:51 PM
- Wendy Delfosse said...
How is it possible that blogging (tweeting, whatevering) agents need to be defended?? Especially when I was querying it was really great to be able to look at an agent and try to see who would be a good match. Definitely not complaining about them taking time to help me out. As far as how it reflects on them? I'm still holding the opinion that it's a smart business practice.
- January 3, 2011 at 12:55 PM
- D.G. Hudson said...
I think it's great that agents do blog, so that we can get a peek at their personalities and their particular likes/dislikes. As you said Nathan, it helps us refine our search for the most suitable agent. Agents that are willing to share writing information with their readers are a boon to those of us who look for knowledge.
It does take time to read and follow blogs and newsletters, but it's an investment in our own publishing effort that might pay off. (No defined time limit on this, too many variables.)
I don't use all social media today, I believe in selecting what fits for me at the time. I keep my options flexible, and my mind open.
Thanks to you, Nathan for keeping on with the blogging. It's still a valuable and enjoyable blog from this reader's point of view.
- January 3, 2011 at 1:08 PM
- Henri said...
Blogging is definitely a beneficial activity for literary agents. I have always been a little skeptical of literary agents, who also harbor writing ambitions, but I'm sure there are a few individuals, who can prove me wrong on that account.
- January 3, 2011 at 1:13 PM
- Heather Kelly said...
It's hard to argue how less contact with the masses (of writers) makes one a better agent. I would have no contact at all with agents without modern social media.
I believe that agents' blogs and tweets make me a better querier, if not a better writer.
- January 3, 2011 at 1:17 PM
- Ruthy said...
Oh, you silly former agent. Worry not of soured milk when there is eggnog in your glass.
- January 3, 2011 at 1:23 PM
- Diana said...
Huh. I would think that blogging would help an agent do at least part of their job better.
By reading an agent's blog, prospective clients can determine what the agent is looking for and what to put in the query letter. They can also make a preliminary determination on whether they would be a good fit with that agent.
When the agent is going through those one hundred query emails a day, it should be pretty obvious who has done their research on agents and who has not. I would think that would help winnow out a bunch of queries.
Back in the dark ages when dirt was young and dinosaurs roamed the earth, I looked through Writer's Digest Guide to publishers and literary agents. I still think it's useful and combined with an agent's blog creates a greater chance of finding the perfect fit between agent and writer.
You know, some people just like to whine. It doesn't matter what an agent does or does not do, they'll still whine about it.
- January 3, 2011 at 2:03 PM
- jjdebenedictis said...
When George R. R. Martin blogged about going to a football game, a portion of his fans gnashed and wailed that he was doing that instead of writing.
There are no writing machines; just people.
Likewise, there are no query-answering machines; just people. It makes no sense to complain about someone being human.
- January 3, 2011 at 2:11 PM
I love that you linked to the year-in-review post by 'Agent Kristin', in which she details just how productive she was in 2010 as a literary agent (using actual numbers). That she can blog regularly and bring in lots o' sweet deals is incredible; it's exactly what most people hope agents are doing. Fantastic for her (and her clients)!
I think critics speak up when they see agents blogging... but not bringing in the money. Any blogger should be a credible source on the subject about which she's blogging. Especially if she's presenting herself as an expert in a field.
So if an agent blogs daily but sells, like, 0 books in 2010, 3 in 2009 and just 2 in 2008 -- none of them in the 6-figure range -- then you wonder if that agent shouldn't spend more time working on her clients' behalf. And less time blogging. Or at least quit the biz and just focus on what she's good at: social media.
- January 3, 2011 at 2:11 PM
An hour a day? I spend more time on your blog than you do, Nathan! Which makes me...weird.
David, real writers use STONE tablets, not clay.
Steve, why do you care if you're not a writer?
I don't think agents should blog, e-mail, snail-mail, telephone, or even talk to people. They should communicate solely by Extra-Sensory Perception.
Now I must go and hobnob with all the wrong people.
- January 3, 2011 at 2:23 PM
- T. Anne said...
I'd prefer an agent who is social media savvy. I think they have an advantage over socially sequestered agents.
- January 3, 2011 at 2:43 PM
- Jaimie said...
Anon 11:11 AM-
"So if an agent blogs daily but sells, like, 0 books in 2010, 3 in 2009 and just 2 in 2008 -- none of them in the 6-figure range -- then you wonder if that agent shouldn't spend more time working on her clients' behalf. And less time blogging. Or at least quit the biz and just focus on what she's good at: social media."
.... or starting podcasts.
- January 3, 2011 at 3:14 PM
- Mira said...
Shoot Jaime. I was hoping it would pass unnoticed. Anon 11:11 is talking about Nathan.
I wondered if the counter-attack would take the high road, but I didn't think it would descend to a personal attack.
It's not even worth a response. No agent has or ever will build a following like Nathan did. Small characters throw very small stones.
- January 3, 2011 at 3:33 PM
- Nathan Bransford said...
It's alright, I just think anon@11:11 missed this part of the post: "There are blogging agents across the career spectrum, from the just-starting-out to the extremely well-established."
- January 3, 2011 at 3:36 PM
- JF said...
Okay, not so much a comment post but DUDE, Susan Kaye Quinn, you're mom is AWESOME. Really, go her. You can tell her a random commenter on the interwebs wishes she would get on my granny about "the facebook". It would make sharing photos so much easier!
- January 3, 2011 at 3:37 PM
- M.A.Leslie said...
I haven't really read the comments so I don't know if this was said, but I think that agents who blog are doing a major charity to the writing community. Honestly Nathan, without your help and The Sharks, I would only know a glimmer of information about the writing and publishing world. So basically, what I am trying to say is thank you to all blogging agents, past, present, and future, and keep on blogging. Writers need you and I hope that writers will always remain humbly in their debt, not scoffing their attempts to educate the masses.
- January 3, 2011 at 3:38 PM
- Mira said...
Nathan - yes!
- January 3, 2011 at 3:40 PM
- Laura Pauling said...
I'm sure that myth is out there but I haven't heard it. If anything, I see blogging as almost a necessity for new agents - to get their name out there and earn the trust of the writing community so they can snag some great manuscripts.
Hope you're enjoying your new work!
- January 3, 2011 at 4:12 PM
- Other Lisa said...
From a former client's perspective: how could it be a bad thing to have 10K sets of eyes, or whatever the stats were at that time, aware of my book?
- January 3, 2011 at 4:28 PM
- Stephanie Faris said...
It's networking, plain and simple. My sister's entire occupation centers around marketing using social media. She goes out and signs clients to let her company market them via Facebook, Twitter, blogging, etc. (Or they set it up so the client can do it themselves.) I think people tend to forget that agents aren't blogging and networking out here solely to entertain us, the authors. There's an entire facet of it that has you communicating with others in the business.
- January 3, 2011 at 4:44 PM
- Ganz-1 said...
I agree with your point. For an aspiring author like me, who is living outside the US or UK, being able to know about the business via an agent's blog is a blessing. I wouldn't have known anything about writing or the business side of it had it not for the blogs from people like you, Rachelle Gardner, Kristin Nelson etc who make time writing blog posts to help unpublished author.
I find it funny though, because if there are less agent blogging, then someone might complaint and write articles about how agents not using social media to seek up and coming authors and promote their clients.
Can't they just make up their mind?
- January 3, 2011 at 5:01 PM
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- January 3, 2011 at 6:28 PM
- Nathan Bransford said...
(deleted) anon-
Happy to have a civil conversation. That was uncivil.
- January 3, 2011 at 6:31 PM
- Dorothy L. Abrams said...
I am amused by the irony of the concept that some people on the internet say that serious agents would not spend time blogging on the internet. ???
We need not do more than giggle at people who criticize illogically.
(The security word I have to type on this reply is "boott". As in give them the----. Life is an endless joke!
- January 3, 2011 at 6:50 PM
The agent who said that he prefers to spend his time working on book deals rather than blogging, tweeting, etc. on the Internet has been able to accomplish what very few other agents are able to accomplish these days. He's approached NEW - meaning DEBUT, UNHEARD OF, BRAND NEW - authors, asked them if they would be interested in writing a novel based on their talent alone, and gotten them MAJOR book deals in the HIGH SIX FIGURES, even for literary type novels. In addition to a high six-figure deal for one of his debut authors who wrote a literary type novel, he also negotiated for the dream Editor of that particular author, the Editor that worked on INFINITE JEST. While other agents have been sending out rejections for these types of books and then blogging about how these kinds of books written by BRAND NEW, DEBUT AUTHORS can't easily be sold to publishing houses, he's been repeatedly negotiating these types of deals. Facebook is a place in which everyone gets to be a star, a place where advertising dollars are easily brought in, NOT a six-figure publishing deal for a brand new author. I think the agent being discussed is a genius and people could learn a great deal from him.
- January 3, 2011 at 6:53 PM
- Jennifer R. Hubbard said...
If anyone's interested in a client's perspective, it's here:
- January 3, 2011 at 7:34 PM
- robinC said...
Huge fan of blogging agents! Such a wealth of information that in the past has been shrouded in mystery. I'm surprised to hear there are people who think otherwise. Go to any writers conference and there's bound to be a workshop on social media. Being media savvy is simply good business sense.
- January 3, 2011 at 7:52 PM
- Laurie Boris said...
I feel more comfortable with agents who engage with writers....whether that's through blogging, writing articles or answering our random questions at writing conferences. Funny, when I glanced at your headline for this post, I thought, "Oh, great, now I need an agent to get my blog published??"
- January 3, 2011 at 8:49 PM
- Theresa Milstein said...
I've never considered if an agent is better or worse for blogging. I just figured it was inevitable. Since writers are encouraged to have an internet presence, why not agents?
- January 3, 2011 at 8:52 PM
- M.A.Leslie said...
First and foremost, I would like to thank you for taking the time to blog over the years as an agent and now as a writer. I have learned just about everything that I know about the writing industry from you and from people like Janet Reid, Bookends, Betsy Lerner and many others.
Second, to the stalwart opposition of blogging, aka anon, I would have to say that many of the so called unknown writers that don't know a query letter from a personal letter have gained an infinitesimal amount of knowledge from these people you say are wasting their time. I understand that there is a flip side to every coin, but I just don't see what tails has to offer over heads this time.
To all of the agents that may be reading this, even though I know I am posting late, please don't listen to the critics and keep the knowledge flowing. There are people, like me, that are listening and learning every day.
- January 3, 2011 at 9:15 PM
- Michael K. Reynolds said...
First of all...Social Media is a GREAT way for a wet behind the ears newby agent to get his/her message out. So yes...it could attract those who speak much ado about nothing.
But, secondly...any agent who is not engaged actively in Social Media on a daily basis is probably drifting out to literary pastures as they pine to anyone who will listen about the Remington days.
Social Media is not only a tool for the promotion of publication, it's becoming the new medium of publication.
- January 3, 2011 at 9:51 PM
I like the point you make about social media letting a writer get to know the agent's style. Personally, I wish more agents blogged. It makes it so much easier for me to evaluate whether or not I would want to work with that person. I've been impressed by agents I didn't expect to consider--and the opposite--decided not to submit to agents who would otherwise have been on my list after their blog posts convinced me we weren't a good potential match.
So please, agents and editors, blog on!
P.S. Thank you very much to those of you who do.
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- January 3, 2011 at 10:16 PM
M.A.Leslie - Where in my statement did I even once express any "opposition of blogging"? I didn't. Nathan had promised to devote a Blog to countering statements made recently by a young literary agent in an interview published by Forbes, in which that agent said that he doesn't find socializing on the Internet helpful to his work, and I assumed Nathan's Blog today is addressing this. My point is that that agent is doing something for debut authors that most debut authors have stopped even dreaming about as a possibility, and maybe there's value in his approach to agenting. He doesn't even use query letters as his primary way to find brand new authors. He searches the Internet for good writing, and approaches talented authors to see if they have interest in writing a novel, and he's negotiated deals worth $600,000+ in advances for them. (We're talking about brand new, unheard of, debut authors with quirky literary type novels here!) Seems to me he's an incredible agent from which others could learn a great deal. So what if he doesn't blog or tweet?
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- January 3, 2011 at 10:54 PM
- Nathan Bransford said...
I think it's great that the agent has found success doing what he's doing. Like I said, there's more than one way to be a good agent, whether that's with or without social media.
- January 3, 2011 at 11:04 PM
The discussion here in which there appears to be primarily two sides ("Yay, online socializing for literary agents" vs. "Boo Hiss, online socializing for literary agents"), rather than a more nuanced consideration of how best to offer debut authors lucrative careers, reminds me of a book published last year by Knopf, YOU ARE NOT A GADGET: A MANIFESTO by tech expert Jaron Lanier. This book is an Amazon Best Book of the Month, January 2010, and the author is described by Amazon as a "longtime tech guru/visionary/dreadlocked genius (and progenitor of virtual reality)". Here's a quote from a Q & A with Lanier on Amazon:
Question: You say that we've devalued intellectual achievement. How?
Jaron Lanier: On one level, the Internet has become anti-intellectual because Web 2.0 collectivism has killed the individual voice. It is increasingly disheartening to write about any topic in depth these days, because people will only read what the first link from a search engine directs them to, and that will typically be the collective expression of the Wikipedia. Or, if the issue is contentious, people will congregate into partisan online bubbles in which their views are reinforced. I don't think a collective voice can be effective for many topics, such as history--and neither can a partisan mob. Collectives have a power to distort history in a way that damages minority viewpoints and calcifies the art of interpretation. Only the quirkiness of considered individual expression can cut through the nonsense of mob--and that is the reason intellectual activity is important.
- January 3, 2011 at 11:13 PM
- Nathan Bransford said...
Love that quote, anon@8:13, thanks.
- January 3, 2011 at 11:18 PM
Nathan - I love your blog and even though I'm a regular reader I rarely leave comments. This post has driven me to comment because I feel your angst. I, too, am an expert in my field, and like you, I've been blogging about my job for a couple of years.
And I, like you, have been singled out as not being passionate about my career choice due to the fact I choose to blog about it.
What hog wash.
My blog readership has grown and last year I was offered a weekly column in our city's largest newspaper when the editor stumbled upon on my blog and liked what he saw.
So to everyone out there wondering if social media works or not - yes, it definitely does.
The trick is to keep doing whatever it you do for a living with as much passion as you had for it at the beginning. Do not let blogging get in the way as it is meant to enhance your position, not replace it.
As for you, Nathan, your blog is a true gem and is to be treasured by all writers and those interested in the publishing world.
Agents who think all blogging agents are not serious about their jobs must suffer from some sort of envy.
- January 3, 2011 at 11:27 PM
- Katherine Hyde said...
I am so phenomenally grateful for blogging agents. The industry changes so fast that blogs are just about the only way (except attending expensive conferences) to get the current scoop about how to navigate the treacherous waters of publishing (OK, I'm too tired to come up with an original metaphor!). Anyway, thanks to you, Nathan, and all other agents who blog, and pfffftt to the detractors!
- January 4, 2011 at 12:45 AM
- sri said...
Nathan , there is no need to be defensive. Let's face it. You were a great agent and somehow you grew out of it. It happens. Blogging has nothing to do with it. There is lot of churn in the market today and good people are sought after. If a tech site wants your services , it means that somewhere you have left your mark.
You don't have to defend yourself.
- January 4, 2011 at 2:42 AM
- Diana said...
Those "brand new, unheard of, debut authors" are an editor at Forbes, an editor of the literary magazine "n+1", and a Harvard Professor. This may be their first novel published, but they all have credentials which will help sell their work. The agent in question is targeting a specific type of writer. Blogging, facebook, twitter, and emails don't lend themselves to finding that type.
There is no right way to be agent. Just as there is no right way to write a novel.
If an agent's way of working doesn't suit you, then find one that does. There's no need to bash the ones who don't.
- January 4, 2011 at 3:37 AM
- no-bull-steve said...
My question is what percentage of the current 52% who are more likely to work with a blogging agent have ever worked with an agent before? My hunch is that it's FAR SMALLER a percentage than the 45% who understand it makes no difference.
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- January 4, 2011 at 1:12 PM
- Laura Campbell said...
As a fresh face in the writing scene, I know next to nothing about agents and publishing. My love of reading and dreams of becoming a writer have guided my journey. An agent who writes a blog might catch my attention. Give me the chance to learn a few things about the business and get to know an agent I'm interested in.
- January 4, 2011 at 2:55 PM
- lexcade said...
without agent blogs, i wouldn't know nearly as much as i do now. thanks to you, Janet Reid, Colleen Lindsay, Weronika and a host of others, i've learned so much about the pubbing world that i would never have known. so i LOVE blogging agents.
- January 4, 2011 at 4:38 PM
- Roberta Walker said...
It's true, blogging agents are a way to be the proverbial fly on the wall...How would all us aspiring novelists learn about the pub biz without industry peeps yacking about it! Applause is due, I say!
- January 4, 2011 at 7:40 PM
- Josin L. McQuein said...
Heh. Just saw this on AOL and thought it sounded like something up your alley.
The author loves her e-reader, but she loves her books, too. She talks about the personal advantages of both.
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- January 4, 2011 at 8:11 PM
- Abby Minard said...
Honestly, I think it's wonderful that agents blog. When I first hear of an agent, I immediately look to see if they blog. It just seems to go with the territory anymore.
- January 4, 2011 at 10:16 PM
- Sheila Cull said...
If they have time for it, cool.
Nathan, you're the reason I began blogging and since discovered, it's the bomb (in a good way).
- January 5, 2011 at 7:31 AM
- Heidi said...
I agree with you Nathan. As a writer, I have learned more about being a writer - or, at least the kind of writer agents want to read - by reading agent blogs.
The first thing I do when researching an agent is look to see if they have a website. A blog is even better, because it lets you get to know them a little better, and know whether they are a good fit for your material.
A blog for an agent can be looked at as a professional introduction, a filter, and a marketing tool.
Simply, it's good business.
- January 6, 2011 at 6:47 PM
- lexiqa said...
For whatever reason, people will say bad things about things they don't know much about.
Most of the time it's because they are totally ignorant about how the internet works and how much time you need to maintain a decent blog/website. Since they don't know how it works, they think it's hard. Hence, the idea of being a lot of hard work+time spent on it.
The same goes for other things people think would be hard to do simply because they can't do it themselves.
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May 18, 2013
KNOXVILLE, Tenn. -- Hannah Sommer hit a solo home run in the top of the fifth and Renada Davis had an RBI double to center in the seventh to lift NC State to a 6-4 win over James Madison Sunday's continuation of Game 5 of the Knoxville Regional.
The game was rain delayed at 10:07 p.m. Saturday night and resumed play Sunday at 11:30 a.m. The game was tied 4-4 and was headed to the top of the fifth when action was halted.
NC State will now play Tennessee in Game 6, which is scheduled for 1:30 p.m.
James Madison took a 1-0 lead in the bottom of the first when Jailyn Ford reached on a fielder's choice to the pitcher and Sarah Mooney scored on the play due to an errant throw by the third baseman.
With two outs in the fourth, Caitlin Dent hit a two-RBI single to right field and advanced to second on a fielding error and to third on a throw. Renada Davis and Leah Jones scored on the play to give NC State a 2-1 lead. Scout Albertson followed with an RBI double down the left field line and Sommer knocked an RBI single up the middle as the Wolfpack's lead grew to 4-1.
In the bottom of the fourth, Erica Field hit a one-out single up the middle and Megan Shinaberry reached on an error at second to give JMU two runners on base. Catherine Clavin ripped a two-run triple to right center and Cassidy Clayton followed with an RBI single through the right side to knot the game at 4-4.
With two outs in the top of the fifth, Sommer blasted a 2-1 pitch off Heather Keifer over the wall to give JMU the lead.
Kirsty Grant hit a leadoff double to start the seventh and Davis followed with an RBI double to deep center to give the Wolfpack a two-run advantage and cushion the lead. They went on to take the win.