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Lean blower engine?
Hi folks...
This is my first post. However...I have been coming here and reading for a couple of years now. The site is great and some of the most engine knowledgeable people on the net are in here.
I'm probably going to end up answering my own question in this post, but I still like to bounce ideas off guys "in the know".
First thing I would like to make clear is that the engine I am going to ask the question about is a "race only" engine. This is in a sand drag Jeep. For those who don't know...a sand drag strip is only 300 feet long.
The motor is fresh, I'll give you a few details.
357 inch SBC
9.2 comp (static)
zero decked with 0.38.
Brodix IK 200 heads
Steel crank
Cam is a Lunati, 244/254 @0.50, 509/533, LSA/ICL 112/107
Two Holley 660 center squirt carbs (yeah, really)
On a 671 large bore.
The blower has a 35 pulley on top and a 39 on the bottom. I think this makes it 11% overdriven.
The ignition is a Mallory comp 9000, locked at 28 with no box (yet), just distributor, voltage resistor and coil.
As you can see...this is a pretty "mild" motor (as far as race motors go). But believe me...it does not feel very mild in a 1,520 pound drag Jeep with a 6.50 rear and a glide.
Here is what is going on...from idle, it hits very hard (probably because of the massive amount of fuel the center squirts dump in when you goose it.
But with a load on it...it lays down (feels like a rev limiter) at about five grand.
I have a 4000 stall with a brake. The instant I let my finger off the brake, it lays down.
I forgot, I am running a Holley pump. It's a "volumax" two feed lines and a return line from the pump back to the tank, 10 AN lines. I have it set to 7.5 psi and it holds that 7.5 psi, even when it's laying down.
The 660's have no power valves.
I started out with it having 76 jets (square). Which was fine for cam break in. I noticed it not wanting to pull hard with a load on it, so I went to 82 jets (square again). It seemed to make very little difference (if any).
I took a look at the plugs, they are a little lean (not terrible) but I let out of the throttle as soon as it starts to lay donw, because I know what a lean forced induction motor will do (I know it too well).
Here's the thing...I actually HAVE a wide band tuner. But I am running "zoomies" for exhaust. Do you think that putting the sending in one tube would give me an accurate reading? Or would it be better than nothing?
I know that asking "what size jets" I should run is not a question that anyone but me can really answer. But....does 82 jets in the primary and secondary of both carbs seem like it should be lean on such a mild sbc? Or should I be looking at the Unilite as the possible suspect?
Personally, I'd "fat it up" 'til it wouldn't run, then start back the other way.
Your rear gear is pretty high, and your engine is a low torque monster, IMO. since it lays down at 5 grand.
1st. Check to make sure your carbs are going full throttle with the pedal on the floor.
2nd. Try re-jetting the secondaries up to 87's, or 91's. This should allow you to bump up the timing to 32 degrees total.
3rd. Consider dropping the rear gear into the high 500's, such as a 587, or a 598. This would help to lower your top engine rpm's back into your engine's power band.
What fuel are you running, and what spark plug, and plug gap?
I should have mentioned that the gear ratio was set with my last motor (which was of similar build) I like to have it turning about 6,500 when it goes through the traps (about 100 mph) and 6.50 hits that number for me (with my last engine anyway).
I'm running 114. and my gap is 0.35.
Both of you have a good point on fattening it up...I mean really...it's most certainly not going to hurt anything but spark plugs.
I would also be concerned with that much overdrive and the amount of heat it must be creating in the fuel charge. That is a lot of overdrive % + that high of a static compression ratio. Maybe take a look at some of the drive charts vs comp ratio at the BDS web site. Why so much overdrive?? There comes a point when efficiency goes away with too much blower rotor speed.
660's with no power valves I would expect to jet at 82-83 front NATURALLY ASPIRATED. Are you set up to jet both sides? (they come stock with a rear metering plate)
The 355 I had this blower on last time, boosted 14 psi at 6000 rpm. I know this puts my compression right up there...but, again, it's 300 feet in a very low geared, light car on 114.
However...if you think that it's over driven too much and would go faster with less boost, I am all about trying it. I got nothing to lose.
I can't "jet" both sides, because the carbs are in-line. I have to change the metering plate each time (and that's a real treat).
I was strongly considering whipping out the drill bits for some "adjustment" to metering plates. But I was afraid one of my friends would stop by, slap my hand and give me a speech about how they are rated on flow, not drill bit size, so I didn't.
Quick Fuel (and possibly others) sell a billet replacement metering plate that takes regular Holley jets, it fits into the same space as the fixed metering stock plate and allows you to make easy changes. If you've got several metering plates, I wouldn't be afraid to drill the jet orifice, it isn't quite the same as a Jet is, as long as you have a pair of plates to go back to -- drill away! You might have to experiment to win, like the Inspector said!
I'll agree with others and say fatten it up to see what happens.
On the blower drive ratio, I was just thinking off the top of my head it seemed like a lot by drag racing terms, wasn't thinking about your shorter race. Still might be worth a call to the maker of your blower's tech line and see what they say about the drive speed %. You may well be correct because of the low amount of time at full boost.
Just a thought --What size orifice needle and seats? You may have good pressure before the needle and seat but are drying up the bowls because the needles can't flow enough?? Also, since you are inline mounted, what about fuel slosh away from the jets in the rear bowls, especially at your acceleration speed?? This relates to 4000 rpm off the Brake and it is flat, fuel going to the back of the rear bowls instantly at the hit and away from the jets??
Last edited by ericnova72; 07-04-2009 at 03:02 AM.
Wow...Thanks Eric. I really got to start keeping up with new developments (I'm old ya know). Only thing I was aware of was the metering block conversion, did not know about the plate. Here's a summit link in case anyone else might want the same thing. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/QFT-34-3/
The drive ratio advice came from Dyers...Actually, I take that back, when I told him what it was on, and what it was going to be used for...he suggested I overdrive it quite a shot more than I have it now. I "only" went 11% over, thinking it be more controllable.
As far as the needle and seats go, that is most certainly a good thought. I don't even remember what size they are, I do know that they came from quick fuel. I did not consider them to be an issue, due to the fact that it's a relatively small motor and I did not think it would drain the bowls in such a short amount of time, as long as it has some fuel going to it.
Someone at the track brought up the idea of the fuel pulling away from the plates in the rear. After a bunch of talk, we came to the idea that even with it leaving hard, the "jets" are so low in the plate that if the float height was set right, it would not be able to pull away from them. I sure would like to hear your thoughts on this. As surprising as it is...sand draggers leave very hard. I am nowhere near the fastest Jeep (okay, it's an altered with an aluminum jeep skin hooked to it) and I'll run a 1.29 60 foot if the track is wet (a little wet is faster for us). Do you think it could pull away?
I am just going to start jetting up before I do anything else. I just like to have a bunch of other possibilities, you guys have given me a few, and than you for that.
Now, I am going to run the quick fuel plate (already ordered them) but I was curious to what the thought are when it comes to drilling metering plates. I have been told forever that it's a no no on jets (but I still did it ) Is it the general consensus that it's not as crucial on metering plates?
With a 1.29 sixty foot, that is good 8.5 second or faster 1/4 mile territory for a drag car, and it would be mandatory to have jet extensions in the rear bowl starting at roughly a 1.55 sixty foot. At the 60' your turning, all the fuel is instantly all up against the back wall of the bowl. Put a few inches of water in a 1 gallon pail, set it on the floor, and give it a shove and watch what the water does in the initial move of the bucket. It's pretty enlightening, gas in the bowl does the same thing.
Several of my tuning sources give drilling the metering plate as a tuning option, then buy the correct plate once you find the necessary orifice sizes. They also made mention of the inability of installing jet extensions to the factory plate being a detriment.
We've got a Sand Dragway here in Michigan on the Lake Michigan coast 2/3 the way up the Lower Peninsula at Silver Lake. A blast to watch, surprisingly fast!!
This is the first time I have had carbs in-line (not sideways) on a car that leaves this hard. I have some jet extensions I made stashed in my shop somewhere.
With the quick fuel conversion, I should be able to run them (might have to mod the floats.)
I'm getting close to the point of splurging for a couple of 750's and turning them sideways. Doing it the right way in other words.
Since I am not filthy rich...I always try and work with what I already have (which would explain the 660's) but sometimes it reaches a point where I would have been money ahead to use something different. This may end up being the case with the carbs.
I have raced at silver lake. I had an air-cooled dragster at the time. Some very fast stuff over there.
I would think jet extensions and the ability to jet the secondary side will set the 660's right up. They are a very good carb for the blower or tunnel ram set-ups.
Next race/test and tune won't be until July twenty (something). That's what is bad about having a sand drag racer...You have to either wait until a test and tune or find a large field.
I only live on two acres, so I can't really let it stretch it's legs, but I can test a launch.
I'll get back toy you guys about what fixed it and what jets I ended up with.
Thanks a lot for your help.
Alright guys...here's an update and some corrections on the information that I gave previously.
I'll start off by saying that I purchased the quick fuel metering plate conversion kits (very nice, thanks again). I went with center hung floats and bowls, notched floats and jet extensions. This is all stuff the altered needed done, so it did not matter if it fixed my problem or not...but it would have been nice.
On the first go round, I inadvertently gave some bad info.
I told you that it was missing only when it's under load. That is incorrect. I am not a huge fan of free revving my engine hard, which is why I thought it was just doing this under load.
I would "blip" the throttle and it would snap from 1,500 rpm to 6,000 in the blink of an eye...So I just said to myself "no problem there". Well, what I was doing was just cracking open the primary throttle plates for that "blip".
When at the track, I caught myself doing the same thing. Holding it against the brake with the primaries and a split second before lifting my finger, I mash it. I have been doing this kind of thing so long that I am sort of on autopilot and don't really even notice what I am doing.
Okay, so the new info is as follows. As I said previously, I changed to the quick fuel metering plates and jetted everything up. When the lay down spot would not change (noticeably) in the rpm range by jetting, I figured I would start to look elsewhere.
Going against my grain...I free revved it...HARD (ugh) and it falls flat as soon as the secondary plates start to open.
In example....I can run the engine up to where the secondaries are just about to open (I can feel it in my foot and see the linkage because it's right in front of me) the instant I just crack the secondaries, it lays down like it hit a rev limiter (sounds just like it as a matter of fact).
I was thinking about having the Wife stare down the carbs at the secondary booster to see if any fuel was coming out...but then I had a thought of having to cook my own food and wash my shorts after a blower backfire cut her down in her prime.
With the engine idling, I grabbed the secondary shaft and slowly eased just one set of secondaries open. The rpm did change and start to come up a bit...but it was very rough and would only gain a few RPM before hitting a spot when it was running so bad it would not gain anymore.
So on to my thoughts. It's very clear it's not clogged secondary jets (everything in there is new). The float level is perfect on both. I'm thinking there may be an obstruction in the body?
The reason I have not jumped right on this before coming here is that it seems a bit odd for both carbs to have the same clog, right? I mean, it's most certainly possible, but the odds are not really great.
So any thoughts before I pull them and start blowing them out?
Has anybody messed with the shape of the cam(the primary linkage "fan") that opens the secondaries? The 660's should be quite close to 1-1 rate with the primary about 10 degrees ahead of the secondaries.
You are using the 4-hole center squirter type squirter nozzles?? 50cc pumps on the carbs??
Check gasket used at main body to metering plate to make sure the passages all line up?? The metal seperator plate is present between the metering plate and the main body??
Just random thoughts as they come to me, does sound as if fuel is not being fed to the boosters in the rears.
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Selfish because I worked hard to get what I own...
My Home...Own...
Toys i.e boats,atvs harleys....Own..
Health Ins......Pay my OWN and Familys...
Credit card dept.....Very little.....
Adopted 2 children.................................Priceless .........
Some of us selfish baby boomers learned along time ago not to rely on Gov when we get older,some of us selfish baby boomers have put money away knowing we can't count on Gov..
If some people think they are Intiteld to things like Health Care,College,handouts because they were born in the USA....Move to someplace else thats has a Intitelment society like lets say Greece and see how that works out for ya....
SS is a Ponzi Scheme and its collapsing in on itself.........
I'm 51 yrs old and have worked hard in my life to get what I have and to call someone like me a selfish baby boomer is like throwing a match in a bucket of gasoline,not a smart move.
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I am 61 and I will do everything in my power to AVOID signing on to that crap legislation health(death)care bill. IMO .. it is nothing but a sleazy way to get into our bank accounts and rob US with rising health costs to fund those who do not, never paid a dime into it because it's all about VOTES and POWER over US.
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Newt Gingrich threw a rhetorical tomato at the White House in Monday's South Carolina primary debate when he noted that "more people have been put on food stamps under Barack Obama than any other President in history." White House spokesman Jay Carney dubbed the claim "crazy" Tuesday, by which we assume he meant the President himself didn't literally enroll people in the program. Because any other way you cut the numbers, Mr. Gingrich is right.
According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture's latest data, a record 44.7 million people participated in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program in fiscal 2011 at a $75.3 billion cost to taxpayers. That's up from 28.2 million and $37.6 billion in 2008. Some four million people are now on food stamps in Texas, with California (3.7 million) and Florida (3.1 million) close behind. In absolute numbers, President Obama has presided over a food stamp boom.
Mr. Carney says participation rates depend on the state of the national economy, which is true but not a sufficient explanation. As the nearby chart shows, the food stamp rolls have historically risen in recessions (1974-75 and 1981-82) and fallen during robust expansions (1980s and 1990s). The exception is the last decade, as the rolls rose as expected during the short 2001 downturn but then kept increasing throughout the decade with the single exception of a modest decline in 2007.
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Food stamps were intended to help the truly needy so children wouldn't go without nourishment, but Washington is slowly turning it into one more entitlement for millions of Americans. Mr. Gingrich received loud applause on Monday less for his partisan criticism than because he zeroed in on the dangers of dependence on government, especially for the poor. He said he wanted to "help poor people learn how to get a job, learn how to get a better job and learn some day to own the job."
This is the right political goal. What's "crazy," to borrow Mr. Carney's word, is for a society to shrug its shoulders when nearly 45 million citizens are on the food dole.
Obama racking up MORE National debt !!! This has NOTHING to do with Baby Boomers. We see this for what it is .. more people on the dole NOT contributing and our Youth will suffer for it. My oldest daughter just gave birth to her third son this morning. YOU BET I CARE ABOUT THE WELFARE FOR ALL OF MY GRANDCHILDREN IN THE YEARS TO COME .. and the mess we .. and YOU YOUNG VOTERS are heaving upon them.
I read that if any candidate tries to mess with the elderly people's entitlements that it's like touching the third rail politically. Ron Paul says he would still take care of the elderly but those baby boomers want the maximum amount of money that they can squeeze out of broke ass uncle Sam as possible.
If it was just people under age 40 voting Ron Paul would win the Republican primary easily. But because of the older baby boomers reaching the age where they will start collecting SS he is unelectable.
Young middle class Americans are trapped with an unchangeable corrupt government. There is no difference between the two parties now. Both are controlled by money printing criminal bankers and both parties cater to their own type of parasitic constituents.
Conservatives have retired and become liberals now. Government come and take care of me! Give me my money! You owe me! Most conservatives have aged out or will be soon and now many of them have to rely on the government.
The core principle of conservatism is self reliance. What do you do when millions of conservatives have aged and can no longer support themselves and have to resort to big government which is the core of liberalism?
I predict America will be becoming increasingly socialist to take care of all those boomers. The health care system will have to become socialist to take care of those millions of sickly smelly old farts.
Young people will live like the communist Eastern Europeans did. Working a crap job for low wages. Never being able to own a house or land and living in crappy little apartments. Driving crappy cars, wearing cheap clothes, they will have less freedoms than their parents did. Multiple generations of family crammed into tiny apartments. Massive unemployment, going to college but never being able to find decent employment being stuck doing menial jobs............all to pay for those greedy baby boomers.
The average food stamp benefit is like what? $150 a month A baby boomer on Soc Sec gets a little over $1,200 a month not to mention their massive Medicare bill for all the health problems they have.
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major? liberal arts, music, women's studies, or art...those are my guesses
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To generalize and suggest that every individual from my generation is lazy and dependent is wrong. I work hard every single day in my own business that I built from the ground up. I take pride in my accomplishments considering I came from next to nothing.
I realize how fortunate I am, and because of my success, I have chosen to share my skills with those who could not otherwise afford it. I have dedicated more than 1,000 hours of my time during EACH of the past three years helping veterans coming back from these undeclared and unconstitutional wars that suffer from physical and mental illnesses and have no jobs waiting for them. Our government treats them like crap, and I refuse to sit on the sidelines and let it happen. When the older generation of lawyers cast them away because they are unable to pay, I am there to assist them no matter the cost or the time involved.
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Ya mean there IS hope for the youth after all ?? j/k
I know there is
But, you were not the one who labeled basically everyone NOT ayoung, white, and with a job as the reason America hates Paul
SHE has not answered the college question and it speaks volumnes.
Oh ya, and I am NOT a baby boomer.......just tired of the same crap every 4 years with people expecting something special and supernatural to happen with the next flavor of the month candidate.
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Same here, is it down?
Yep.. Slow loading pages still or not at all...
Very slow, pages taking minutes to load, while other sites load at normal speeds.
Ya, it is barely functioning. No matter what this site says.
Yeah mate. Been like this for a while now. :(
Taking forever to load, yeah. :/
Hi Lucas...
Patiently waiting I see.
Hey, Charlie. :)
And yeah, ATS is still down. :/
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...and down again
I'd just pressed send on a thread as well.
Ha Ha Charlies jones'n! :)
Useless piece of shit server
Can't access the site at all with my cell phone. It was fine earlier. Won't even load now.
They get attacked a lot too via DDoS.
They're down more frequently since asking for donations which is ironic because the donations go toward preventing the site from going down.
im in the uk i dont get 503 i just get chrome cannot connect try reloading
Okay here we go again why is it most every time it's a issue day like North Korea 9/11 or a shut down of the government like we have today ATS has a problem ? I know there were supposed to be some type of CME for the 1st and the 2nd ... who knows
Syrian Electronic Army Hits... I'm thinking ATS was on their list - http://inagist.com/all/376027786021855232/
Seems that it was attacked. twitter.com/AboveTopSecret/status/384967827163058176
Its down on Oct 1st. Is this part of the Syrian Electronic Army's OpBlackout?
im not the only one then. and thanks to Springer for letting us know whats happening.
Sept 11.. mid morning... can't get on. 9/11 attack... or just too much use because it's a big conspiracy day... or the new system? I dunno...
This Sucks. I always freak when ATS goes down because they do get attacked a lot. They do have multiple redundancies in place. I just wonder sometimes if the Government itself has a hand in attacking ATS. Hope it's back up soon.
Boooooo ATS is down! BOOOOO! Hope all is ok. All love to the three Amigos!
Join us on FB at our hideaway. Search for Ats downtime. Its going to be okay. Oh... and we have cookies.
It's down again. If we follow what happened the last time, that usually means that a big event is happening or will happen.
weird, cant get it on my computer at work but I can get it on my phone, OC, Ca
Was there something to be learned by looking into Sandy Hook? The site certainly left enough absolutely crazy speculation happen on 9/11, but SH stuff was shut down when people asked real questions.
@debbie little. I am in London, England, so that could be why I cant log in yet.
Seems Captain Oblivious mentioned that this would happen two months ago after constant banning for posting Sandy Hook threads. I think it's hilarious that the plebe IT retards Mr. Springer has working for him have about as much knowledge on DDOS attacks as I do with rocket science. Perhaps Mr. Springer should quit playing both sides of the fence...meaning his wife has worked for a big government defence contractor for YEARS. Its about time someone showed the tool shed playing both sides has consequences.
wow! Still down! Massive attack has/is taking place by the looks of it according to Thomas! Anyways... I'll try again later!
SO said: "We have received some reliable information that a few people who were banned from here and GodLikeProductions.com for improper posting related to Sandy Hook were involved in the attack, and apparently are still focused on another round."
Still down in Germany. BTW, thanks for ur Input here Springer and please be very patient with JustChris and perhaps some others. THX Peace
By the way, it was NOT the Government (at least we don't think it was) that crashed the site, seems to have been a snafu with the servers. ;)
Hi peeps, this is Springer (in case you missed the FB username :P )...
The site should be coming back for those who haven't been there in the past 24 hours very soon. We really want to THANK everyone for being concerned and checking up on us, really, it's encouraging.
Isn't this the same thing that happened to GLP and a few other websites like a week ago? People are going to think it was the government LOL
So its not just me unable to get on ATS. Now what to do... Guess I'll go play with the wife
@Lori- the timing was interesting and rumor has it that the attack was about 10x worse than what they have experienced in the past. So, someone isn't too happy with us. I have been here (and then eventually FB) since it went down.
@ Daryllyn, I recognized your pic from your ATS avatar... but yes, it is nice to put a face to the posts. Funny how I'm going through ATS withdrawal. My husband's a computer geek, and after ATS went down this morning he tried to ping the site, and got as far out here as the Dallas area, and after that, no response. After many hours with no luck, I knew something bad had happened to the site. Strange time for ATS to be hit...
Thread posted by Skeptic Overlord accessed via canadian proxy:
About 5-6 hours ago, an incredibly serious distributed denial of service attack began that forced our service provider, SoftLayer, to place a "null" value on the routing of our domain -- this was to protect their network from collateral damage caused by the attack.
We are limping back to life. Some users in some areas may not get ATS again for a few more hours.
Got in on a Canadian proxy when my server is in Toronto! This is way TOO weird!!!
if they admit it on there twitter... that they are being ddos'd... lol maybe AOTS is really rigged eh? i figured it always was. rigged as in...you know... monitored... ok Now for sure i am out lol damnit im turning off my system Goodbye lol
I AM in Canada and it no workie for me, I shall try the proxy... no stars and flags here, too bad we didn't even have a LIKE button :(
100 Gbps is definitely a major DoS attack. Just a few days ago, there was a record-breaking 300 Gbps flood of Spamhaus. Someone means business.
Hi y'all... I figured I pissed off TPTB with my latest thread on ATS, but upon reading the comments here, and finding out that GLP is also down, my conspiracy radar is going off big time!
@michael - Yes, according to ATS on twitter
"AboveTopSecret.com is experiencing a very serious denial of service attack right now. We're doing what we can to mitigate it and return."
I just found out from another site that ATS is under a DOS attack. They are getting flooded with a 100 GB/S attack. Seems to be coming from more than one place.
I'm not sure if this has been pointed out, but i just realized i can get on the mobile site.
Although that doesn't really help because the mobile site sucks.
@Daryllyn, I used that Canadian proxy server from the UK. Managed to locate ATS's website but the pages just won't load :(
sorry for being rude. sometimes i let my inner nerd rage take over. its a bad habbit. sorry all. though this site indicates its down, kinda makes you wonder ya know. the server to "isitdownrightnow" must be located in the usa. well hope my advice helps. one can only speculate when all of the underground is down. maybe someone is testing something similar to what china has "the great wall of china" in terms in internet filtering. that or a usa hub down. who knows. im not digging to deep tho. probably just nothing. i am getting ahead of my self. cheers all. im out.
@Loller, it's not just the US. I'm in the UK and ATS & GLP are both down. Other smaller sites are still up though.
omg people just go to http://www.canadaproxy.org/ to access AOTS noobs. omg
A bit rude in the approach, but, you can totally access ATS through the proxy.
ATS works fine on my foreign proxies, it however doesn't work on IP's from the US as far as i can tell.
ouch, many names and faces tied together now... Its down in Australia too!
Hmmm. I don't use GLP but as ATS is down it's been entertaining me. I was just reading a thread about NK and specifically a comment from someone who apparently lives near a USAF base here in the UK. They were saying the have definately noticed an increase in activity at the base. 5 mins later *poof* I can't access GLP anymore. *tinfoilhatfirmlygluedon* haha
omg people just go to http://www.canadaproxy.org/ to access AOTS noobs. omg
when i log in from my canada proxy the site works just fine... and i can reach the servers however if you connect through the usa or through a usa proxy its down...hmm. looks like someone is blocking the site from the usa. wtf try it srsly try using a Canadian proxy server. and viola... it will work...
I'll ask Simon... he's my cousin after all. The attack was probably due to our evil big headed cousins...the Greys.
Says it's been down for 18 hours, I was on it not too long ago on my phone... very strange o.O
Try this web browser seems to be the only one working right now https://www.torproject.org/
@Daryllyn - no big deal. ATS is actually the only place I've not used my real name...(yah, yah, I know, NWO is going get me, etc, etc). Not sure why I did it there, maybe it was just the setting of ATS you know? Sing to the theme of Cheers: "Where everyone doesn't know your naaaame!" ;)
it seems to be coming and going. mainly just slow.. :( must have ATS!
Well crap! I wonder whats going on with the site, i'm not a member any longer, but i still go there a few times a day.
If you guys are looking for a quick back up instead of facebook... you can use reddit. They have an abovetopsecret sub-reddit that isn't very used. you can register for free... don't even need an email address.
Ah man! Still down? And what's this? Everyone revealing their true names! OMG! What is the world coming too! I'd never reveal who I really was from there! Sheesh! Well, see you later guys. Eriktheaw---er----never mind. ;)
It was Anonymous. Turns out the entire ATS staff are greys.
No but really, this is getting annoying.
Aww I haven't been on for a while as I've been so busy and then today I hear about this NK business and the the first thing that pops into my head is 'ATS!!'. *waaaahhh*
not stalking BUT I can see all your photos on fb haha i had to change my settings AGAIN after they switched and I realized that people can STILL see some of my timeline stuff. :( anyways, back to the topic at hand. ats is still down for me.
I think we definitely need some kind of backup forum in place should this happen for long enough/again. I could get a quick forum knocked up temporarily?
What's really weird, is it's working on my tab, but not my computer... Anyone else having this same issue?
It's probably because of that thread yesterday about Russia censoring their internet. I was harsh on Putin in my reply and he probably DDOS attacked ATS in vengeance!
I checked that "other" site. They are up now, but I'm scared they might ambush me!
funny how if ATS goes down we all still find a way to communicate on some random site LOL - yourmaker
ATS is still down but GLP is up. I was getting a "server too busy" message for the past day or so. Took longer than usual to go up, and now... totally down. Someone ganged up on us. Literally.
This is the second time this year ATS has been Ddosed. Knock it off dick heads!! Second line.
YA this is a great opportunity to say that the ATS MODS are too heavy handed! Without getting my bum-bum slapped! 404 this ! :)
Woah, Britt. Thanks for sharing. I had forgotten that I can actually go directly to actual news sites to get headlines! I always just pop on ATS to see what is going on.. its a lot faster!
Is it safe to say that if the main conspiracy sites shut down something is about to happen?
Bad time for ATS to be down. N. Korea just announced they've authorized Nuclear attacks on U.S. for today or tomorrow. http://drudgereport.com/
Glp is up...for me... ATS still down.
But one of the site owners on glp said they are under attack too (a few minutes ago)
I noticed GLP is down too. I rarely go there... but this is crazy. lol Waffle Bear... maybe?
From Twitter:
AboveTopSecret.com is experiencing a very serious denial of service attack right now. We're doing what we can to mitigate it and return.
I'm curious if this "thread" will be subject to a "cut-n-paste" into one of the many threads that will be spawn from this "outage" once ATS is back up?
Oh come on. It's internet, it just has this kind of stuff all the time, there is no conspiracy and men in black. I would say that take it easy.. reaaalllyyy easy.
I was joking earlier, but for it to be down this long, I wonder what's going on right now that "they" don't want us finding out about..
The MODS are going to be in over drive dealing with all the new threads about this, once ATS is back up LOL
They have a FB page, not much on there though www.facebook.com/atsnews
I plan on getting hundreds of stars and flags for my tinfoil hat thread on why this website is down. I am pretty sure it involves chemtrails blocking my wifi though.
still down!!! Longest I have ever seen it down. Must be a pretty big attack and yes it does stress me out ha ha (goes to make tinfoil hat now!)
I can't go to bed tonight knowing ATS is down. I am suffering withdrawal symptoms...
Think of all the work getting done by our members who visit from their jobs...
I can't wait to read the threads generated from this! Really sucks tho >< Im gonna go make some new tinfoil hats in the meantime! 2-ply!! :D
yep, it most definately is down... been down for a good few hours!! Its been attacked and I reckon Anonymous (CIA), lol.
Aaaarrrrgh! Well, THIS will generate a lot of conspiracy threads, you watch! I posted on their Facebook page that they are down (as I'm sure they know).
ATS does not go offline without giving notice, so this is either server problem or a DDOS
I had the feeling this was another DDOS attack. Hoping they get it fixed soon, I am starting to have withdrawals!
The site is getting DDOS, that or server maintenance. Maybe they are updating some of the adds.
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Purporting to document Pollack's evolving views on Iraq, CNN left out his original gung-ho Iraq "tune"
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During the July 30 edition of CNN Newsroom, anchor Heidi Collins introduced Kenneth Pollack of The Brookings Institution by saying that Pollack "has been a vocal critic of the administration's handling of the [Iraq] war, but he says that an eight-day visit has changed his outlook a bit." Collins also said that Pollack's "tune is changing a bit" with respect to the war. Pollack went on to discuss how a recent visit to Iraq has left him "more optimistic" about the war. However, while focusing on Pollack's criticisms of the "handling" of the war, Collins failed to note that Pollack was an influential proponent of the Iraq invasion before it happened, leaving viewers with the impression that Pollack was a war opponent who has become more supportive of the war. Pollack's 2002 book on the subject was titled The Threatening Storm: The Case for Invading Iraq (Random House).
Describing Pollack's book in a February 8, 2003, New York Times op-ed, Times executive editor Bill Keller wrote: "Kenneth Pollack, the Clinton National Security Council expert whose argument for invading Iraq is surely the most influential book of this season, has provided intellectual cover for every liberal who finds himself inclining toward war but uneasy about Mr. Bush." From Random House's online description of the book:
Examining all sides of the debate and bringing a keen eye to the military and geopolitical forces at work, Pollack ultimately comes to this controversial conclusion: through our own mistakes, the perfidy of others, and Saddam's cunning, the United States is left with few good policy options regarding Iraq. Increasingly, the option that makes the most sense is for the United States to launch a full-scale invasion, eradicate Saddam's weapons of mass destruction, and rebuild Iraq as a prosperous and stable society--for the good of the United States, the Iraqi people, and the entire region.
Pollack believed for many years that the United States could prevent Saddam from threatening the stability of the Persian Gulf and the world through containment--a combination of sanctions and limited military operations. Here, Pollack explains why containment is no longer effective, and why other policies intended to deter Saddam ultimately pose a greater risk than confronting him now, before he gains possession of nuclear weapons and returns to his stated goal of dominating the Gulf region. "It is often said that war should be employed only in the last resort," Pollack writes. "I reluctantly believe that in the case of the threat from Iraq, we have come to the last resort."
From the 9 a.m. ET hour of the July 30 edition of CNN Newsroom:
COLLINS: Update on Iraq: Is the U.S. making progress? Ken Pollack of the Brookings Institution has been a vocal critic of the administration's handling of the war, but he says that an eight-day visit has changed his outlook a bit. He's joining us now from Washington. Ken, nice to see you --
POLLACK: Thanks, Heidi.
COLLINS: -- on the program. That's right. I mean, you are a self-proclaimed critic of the way that the Bush administration has handled this war. You wrote a book about the situation in Iraq. You've shared your thoughts all over TV and some newspapers, but yet it seems like the tune is changing a bit.
POLLACK: Right, well, this is the first time I've been to Iraq where I've come back actually a little bit more optimistic than when I went. Previous visits, I've always come back more depressed, more frustrated because things didn't seem like they were working, and this time around, what we saw, in particular in the security sector, and to some extent with local economics and political governance --
COLLINS: Right.
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1. Re: Oracle Forms 18.104.22.168 on Win 7 64-bit JVM bits errorMichael Ferrante-Oracle Nov 7, 2012 8:49 PM (in response to Mark Reichman)First, there is no need to relocate the system jdk. Part of your problem is more likely the result of a known limitation which is caused by the System PATH and/or CLASSPATH containing special characters like the parenthesis in (x86). So, do the following:
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1. Clean up from your failed installation attempts. Be sure to also remove the C:\bea folder assuming no other product is using WLS.
2. Uninstall the 64bit jdk then reinstall it where you prefer it. I would recommend its default location.
3. Open a Notepad session and leave it open as a holding place to paste the following information.
4. Open the System properties. Computer > right mouse click > Properties > Advanced System Properties > Environment Variables
5. Locate PATH in the system variables and cut all of the values to the clipboard and paste them in the Notepad session you just opened above. Save this information for later.
6. In the PATH value, set it to the following, be sure that the path to the jdk is correct for your installation:

%SystemRoot%\system32;%SystemRoot%;%SystemRoot%\System32\Wbem;%SYSTEMROOT%;C:\Program Files\Java\jdk1.6.0_37\bin

7. You will need the "generic" WLS download if you plan to run 64bit. This will be a jar file rather than an exe. Assuming you are using WLS 10.3.6, open a DOS window and start the installer as follows:

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After you have completed the WLS installation and the FMw installation and configuration, you can reset your PATH back to the way you desire.
2. [SOLVED] Re: Oracle Forms 126.96.36.199 on Win 7 64-bit JVM bits errorMark Reichman Nov 13, 2012 3:00 PM (in response to Michael Ferrante-Oracle)You are correct sir.. Worked great.. The service request folks are clueless about this issue. In fact, I will paste this answer into the service request. Thanks again..
3. Re: [SOLVED] Re: Oracle Forms 18.104.22.168 on Win 7 64-bit JVM bits errorMark Reichman Dec 19, 2012 7:26 PM (in response to Mark Reichman)I would just like to add that after I installed Forms and merged my original path with the new path I still had issues. When starting the weblogic server console I would get "/amd not expected at this time" inside the command window. Come to find out the issue was was occurring in the setDomainEnv.cmd file just before this "if" statement below. Even though the execution was not stepping inside the if statement, SERVER_NAME = AdminServer not WLS_REPORTS, the %PATH% line was causing the issue. Long story short, I took the merged path and changed everything that had spaces or parenthesis to the short version. In Windows you can open a command window and type "dir /X" to get the short version of directory. For instance I had this in my path "C:\Program Files (x86)\AMD APP\bin\x86_64 and changed it to c:\PROGRA~2\AMDAPP~1\bin\x86_64
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4. Re: [SOLVED] Re: Oracle Forms 22.214.171.124 on Win 7 64-bit JVM bits errorMichael Ferrante-Oracle Dec 19, 2012 8:47 PM (in response to Mark Reichman)Thank you for the update.
The path issue was planned to be fixed in 22.214.171.124. I have not tested it yet, but I believe it did make it in the patch. The new patch is available on OTN and MOS. More details can be found in the Announement I posted on top of this forum (the Forms forum).


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If I ws a LEO and stopped someone that I did not know I would sure want them to tell me up front if they were carrying.
To me it is a matter of Peace of Mind for the Officer.
If I ws a LEO and stopped someone that I did not know I would sure want them to tell me up front if they were carrying.
To me it is a matter of Peace of Mind for the Officer.
Did you send them a bill for a new paint job? Okay, not wanting to stir the pot, but I had to say that. Some people get very finicky over their cars.
I have been pulled over maybe 3 times since I've had a ccw. While I'm not required to inform the officer unless he asks, I have opted to inform them each time out of simple courtesy. In each case it was an absolute non issue with each of those officers. In fact, I have never been issued a citation after being stopped on those occurrences.
There are occasions, such as the one you just experienced where maybe it's not such a good idea to volunteer that information if you're not required to. I can see both sides. It just takes one bad experience to really put a bad taste in your mouth regarding all traffic stops.
One thing is true. When you are stopped by an LEO for a traffic violation, you have no way of knowing that LEO's feelings towards politics and gun issues are. It's completely a hit or miss type proposition. I would venture to say, you can have 10 more traffic stops in a row where you inform the LEO of your ccw status and absolutely nothing untoward occurs.
From what I've seen and read, bad encounters with LEO's after informing them of your ccw status are relatively rare. It certainly has been in my personal experience. But when it happens to you, it can certain ruin your attitude for the day.
I've heard of a few bad encounters. I understand that. But until I personally run into a bad experience myself, I have continued to inform the LEO's out of courtesy. Again, in my state, it's not required unless they ask you first. They are going to find out anyway when they run my drivers license for routine traffic check. The way I look at it, if I were an LEO, I would appreciate a motorist who informs me when we make first contact just so I know. I wouldn't let my guard down, because just because someone informs me doesn't mean they are not a bad guy... But by the same token, I would think someone who is upfront about it, is a person who is less likely to do something stupid.
I will say that each time I've been pulled over, I've consciously considered whether I should inform them or not because of reading about bad encounters. But each time, when the officer approached the window, I have decided to inform them and pass him my ccw permit along with my drivers license. So far, I've never regretted doing that. And never received a ticket either.
Sorry about your bad encounter. Good luck with however you choose to do things in the future.
I was trailing my boat to a ramp, and blew a trailer tire. I pulled off to the side of the road and was changing it. A Fl hiway pat officer ( a sergeant) stopped and turned on his blue light to help protect us from the traffic.
While working on it , I said "by the way, I have a permit and my weapon is at 3:00 IWB".
He said "I'm cool with it. what are you carrying?"
I said "Smith 642". He said: "Thats what my wife carries off duty. Shes a Deputy Sheriff"
The last gun show I went to had a lot of LEOs there. (They get in for free by showing badges and/or in uniform) I asked a few of them this question.
" I am writing an article for a gun magazine. If you do a traffic stop or something non-criminal, do ypou wnat to have the driver/occupant inform that he is carrying?"
The concensus was: IF you have it on your person or readily at hand, do inform. If its in a glove box/centerconsole and not at hand, don't bother, UNLESS you must go into that compartment for you legal papers. AT all times keep your hands where thye can be seen and do not reach near the gun.
They also indicated that MOST departments have training sessions for this very scenerio.
Florida LEOs are cool with armed citizens. One officer said hes not afraid of someone who informs. Hes afraid of someone who doesnt.
Many departments here ride 2 officers to a car. so heres a scenerio, which could obviously go really bad.
You get pulled over for a traffic offense. The officer is at your window asking for your papers. You reach for your wallet in your right hip pocket, and in doing so, it uncovers your gun. Your hand now is very close to the gun and the other officer is at your passenger side window and sees your hand almost on the gun. What do you think will happen next?
Thats why I inform
Bullseye...I nearly fell off my chair on your reply.lol.
Here in TN...it is better to tell that you are carrying when the officer approaches the car. Once we run your TDL #, the computer will note if you have a HCP and believe me, it's better to know before than find out later.
been pulled over twice while carrying in my vette, (it draws attention, one was for 5 over) and here in Texas never had a police officer react like that...In fact I have received a warning both times instead of a ticket..always be polite, keep hands visable, officer only asked where and what type of gun I was carrying, we're a must inform state...
I'm required by law to inform the officer if I carry concealed, if pulled over while in the vehicle, by state law in SC.
I inform because I'm required by law, in South Carolina, to inform...Even if it wasn't the law, I'd still inform.
For those that bash the LEO's for their attitude, their approach, their actions, etc...put the shoe on your foot. YOU are the LEO, and your life is on the line everytime you go on duty. What precautions would you take? What voice would you use when encountering a violator? What would your choices be dependent upon attitude, sex, race, etc.? If the person in front of you is such an outstanding citizen, why have they violated the law and caused the encounter that you are having with them in the first place? They don't know you from adam's housecat, and neither does the LEO know them from adam's housecat. With that being said, don't you think if you were a LEO that you would err on the side of safety, rather than trying to prove you were just a good ole boy doing a thankless job and you are so sorry that you have to ruin their day/night...
How about if you are in the military. You've been trained to a standard. Are you going to sit back and let John Q citizen tell you how to perform your job or will you operate based on the ROE's and regulations and tactics under which you've been trained?
How about a Nurse...Are you going to let the patient tell you how to proceed with patient care?
How about the OP...Would you let one of your customers stand there while you are tearing down a transmission, and direct you on what your next step will be in repairing that transmission? Or, will you do it the way you know it has to be done and choose to tell the customer to get outa your face or perhaps be nice and explain to the customer what you are doing and why...
I could go on and on..
For the majority of folks, we sometimes take men and women in uniform for granted, UNTIL we need their services (i.e. EMT's, paramedics, Fireman, LEO's, Military, etc). Then we expect them to be "johnny on the spot", but we often times still try to tell them how to do their own job..
Yeah, there are "JERKS" in all walks of life...Jerk Nurses, Jerk Transmission Repair Men, Jerk LEO's, etc...But I would venture that most are just doing their jobs to the best of their ability...
Bottom line, I may not particularly like a LEO's attitude, nor may I like their actions, but it behooves me to follow their lead until the situation is over. I always have avenues, after the fact, to either file a complaint or a pat on the back. JMO
My opinion, it will put them at ease for you to be up front. I have had several encounters with LEOs while carrying and I typically just give them my CCW card with insurance & DL. They tend to look at the CCW card & let me go with a warning (state troopers aside).
I drive all day long at work & as a result I tend to be a little lead footed. Thankfully my dealings with police have been positive.
Context is everything. If pulled over in my home area for speeding or other basic traffic infraction, no, I would not make a point of telling the officer I was carrying because
#1, there is no duty to do so in my state.
#2, the officer will be informed of my CCW permit when calling in my info anyway. In fact, the MS CCW permit number is the same as the MS DL number.
#3, probably every other vehicle in MS has a gun in it; no permit needed. LEOs know this as well as anyone.
Were I to state the obvious, I'd expect a reaction of "And your point is?" from most of the LEOs around here. This is the reaction my husband got when voluntarily disclosing. The officer was polite enough not to roll his eyes after being informed... :rolleyes: and issuing the ticket anyway.:frown:
Now - if I were pulled over while driving through LA, I would disclose because there is a legal obligation to do so.
Absent a legal obligation, all you can do is use your best judgement. I like to keep my LEO interactions as brief and bland (and rare) as possible.
Just my opinion.
the semi-annual "will you/won't you inform" thread came a little early. same stuff. some extremely concerned about about how a LEO might feel and others who will not volunteer a word beyond the nature of the stop. not much middle ground. it does seem that some people get a kick out of telling someone they're carrying a gun and others get a kick out of telling a cop to get bent.
I keep it to myself unless asked to get out of the car (while carrying a gun). so far, no LEO has said anything about it. been stopped twice. asked to get out once.


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Need help with wiring a new switch. I have attached a picture of what is needed. Basically, I have a existing porch light that is giving power to the "dusk-to-dawn" light. I would like the porch light to be controlled by a switch. Can someone do me a diagram on how to connect the switch wires from the existing porch light?
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How is the "porch light" controlled now? Is there one switch that controls the "porch light" and the dusk to dawn light and you want to add a second switch?
That is correct K-Buz.
The current porch light is being fed from a fan light that comes from a switch in the wall. Guess I should of put that down also; sorry. I need to put a new switch outside the house so I can turn on and off outside. Make sense?
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i have no idea why we wouldn't resign him to the Vet min
seems like a no brainer
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i have no idea why we wouldn't resign him to the Vet min
seems like a no brainer
Oz has his price and its up to BM to make the move
USA Today's Mike Garafolo reports free agent OT Demetress Bell would be a fallback option for the Ravens if they failed to re-sign Bryant McKinnie.
It's the first we've heard of Bell since his release from the Eagles in early February. Bell was a total dud his lone season in the City of Brotherly Love, playing just 462 snaps while grading out as a bottom-three tackle in Pro Football Focus' ratings. He'd be little more than a reserve in Baltimore. Apr. 29 - 12:22 pm et
Wasn't there a blurb here a little while ago that we upped our offer to McK?
My gut says its about $$$, right player, right price...
I don't think we will be the whole way down to vet minimum, but sure seems like his agent it trying to squeeze the most (and what agent doesn't?)
Smoke and mirrors IMO, at least 3 teams went off the market for McK during the draft, and maybe 5 teams did.... the agent is going to take any pretext for a visit he can at this point... Oz's patience is still in full force, and we know that he does move when he has to make the move... doesn't feel like he has to do anything just yet (and the "raised offer" precludes another team's vet minimum acceptance).
I'm heading down there on Wed as soon as I get out of traffic court so I'll put a good word
in for you guys.
He won't be hard to spot on the beach with his size and all those pizzas. Id invite
him to go deep sea fishing with us but he'd probably sink the boat when he got on.
You guys got any messages to give him.
You would think with all the contact he's had with Harbs and Oz that if he gets an offer he'd keep them in the loop, however the way Ireland has been overpaying it's no way they'll match an unreasonable offer.
It makes you wonder what type of money they've been talking this offseason, because of Mckinnie's past work ethic and weight issues its a bit of a special case to have a capable NFL LT available this late in the game. When things are all said and done i'll be curious to find out what type of money he'll end up getting.
Asking price withstanding it will be hard pressed to imagine the Ravens 2013 O-Line better as a wholie if Mckinnie signs elsewhere. Certaintly not the end of the world, he's a middling player at the position right now but i do believe he's easily the best player available in free agency at the position.
There's one thing we can all guarantee: Bryant McKinnie is going to the highest bidder.
If the Ravens are offering a bag of M&Ms, while the Dolphins offer a bag and a half, he's going to Miami.