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One of the main selling points of this classy 2.1-channel system is the wood cone speakers, which according to JVC deliver a warmer and more natural sound than regular cones. We'll test the veracity of this claim in due course, but their inclusion suggests that this is a system cut from a more luxurious cloth than your average 2.1 system - and we should hope so too with a price tag pushing £600.
Its looks and build quality certainly justify the expense. The cylindrical speakers are encouragingly heavy and robust, and look sumptuous in their gloss black and brushed aluminium finish. You also get a passive, cube-shaped subwoofer that's compact enough to conceal easily, but if you can't hide it away then its attractive black finish stops it from being an eyesore.
The main unit - which incorporates a DVD/CD player, 350W amplifier and FM/AM radio tuner - is also dressed in a similar finish as the speakers and its chunky, angular shape is strangely refreshing in a world where curves are king. The big blue light running vertically down the fascia and the large volume dial are nice touches, and there's a handy selection of buttons for up-close control. You'll also find USB and headphone ports on the front.
Like any good DVD player, the NX-F7 features 1080p DVD upscaling, facilitated by the HDMI output on the back. It's joined by component, composite and Scart outputs, plus optical digital audio input/output and stereo audio input for your external sound sources. The speakers and sub also connect to the rear panel using sturdy colour coded plugs (which makes setup really easy), and because the front and surround channel information is carried separately, there are two plugs at the end of each speaker cable.
It's all part of JVC's Front Surround system, which attempts to emulate multichannel sound without rear speakers. Each of the speakers features two drivers - the bottom one handles the main front channel information and the top one handles the surround information. The Front Surround circuitry directs the audio to the relevant parts of the speaker, and there are a few sound modes that cater for different types of material.
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Mstern: what happens when you hit GRP with a hammer? Ok now how about wood? Now tell us what light houses are made of. Cement really isn't dumb as a building material and add to the list of benefits easy to repair any where in the world.
Now for the electrical and plumbing on the vast majority of inexpensive fiberglass or any other material boats. Lots done by "handymen". Automotive and household materials.
I'm no ferrobooster but as I understand it, low quality galvanized armature wire was the big problem with many homebuilt ferro hulls. If you can find a surveyor who knows them and it checks out then why not ferro. Cheap does sometimes translate to good value if you're careful.
You might want to look at the rather long and very detailed discussion on ferrocement boats over at the Cruisers Forum.com. http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...ht=Ferrocement
Its a good thread with people weighing in on both sides, including a number of people who actually own ferrocement boats. My opening comments were as follows:
My take on ferro-cement is that it is, in fact, pound for pound the weakest of all of the commonly used boat building materials. Ferro-cement operates by the same principle as fiberglass, in other words, a high tensile strength reinforcing held by a high compressive strength, low tensile strength cement. The cement in ferro-cement ideally is a high strength Portland cement with a very fine sand aggregate. The cement in fiberglass is polyester, vinylester or epoxy resin. The tensile reinforcing material in ferrocement is steel (sometimes with glass fiber added), and in fiberglass it is glass fibers in a variety of forms, kevlar, carbon and all kinds of new variations on these materials.
Ferro-cement's weight comes from a number of sources. First of all, no matter how small the boat, there is a practical limit to how thin ferro-cement can be. Ferro-cement needs to have a minimum thickness in order to have sufficient depth of material to protect the reinforcement from moisture. Because of this boats below 40 to 45 feet are generally considered too small to use ferro-cement efficiently. (i.e. their hulls, and deck structures weigh more than they would in some other material.)
The implication of the weight issue is not readily obvious. At the risk of sounding like a broken record, Weight in and of itself does nothing good for a boat. It does not make it stronger, or more comfortable or more stabile. Weight does increase the stress on the various parts of a boat. It increases the size of a sail plan required to achieve a particular speed. It increases drag and typically means that for a given draft a boat will have a less efficient keel (i.e trading off greater drag for the same amount of leeway.)
In order to carry more sail area the heavier boat with equal or less ballast stability needs greater form stability, which comes at the price or a choppier motion and greater drag, or greater ballast or deeper ballast which adds more weight and drag and perhaps depth.
To keep the weight down, many ferro-cement cement boats have reduced ballast ratios when compared to other construction techniques. This means that they need more sail area because of their weight but they can't carry more sail area because of reduced ballast ratios, at least not without using lower aspect rigs which are by their very nature much less efficient on almost all points of sail.
This is further complicated by the fact a higher proportion of the weight in a ferro-cement boat is carried in the in the topsides (and sometimes decks). This means a high center of gravity which has a variety of implications; reduced stability, wider roll angles, smaller angles of ultimate stability, and more prone to excitation rolling (which may be slightly offset by the greater inertial moments due to weight).
This added hull and deck weight, larger sail plan, and perhaps greater ballast requirement to carry the sail plan make these boats a less than ideal choice for distance voyaging for a variety of reasons. Any given design can only safely carry so much weight before it begins losing safety, stability and sailing ability. If excess weight weight is required for the hull, deck, rig and ballasting, there is less weight available to carry food, stores and gear. For a given payload, a bigger more capacious boat is required. And since displacement is a major component in determinging the amount of anticipated maintenance costs (affecting sails and deck hardware size, ground tackle and dock lines, engine size and fuel consumption, down to even simple things like the amount of bottom paint required), these boats that are become expensive to maintain as well.
Then there is maintenance costs. In a study performed some years back looking at the life costs of various materials, ferro-cement-cement came out as the highest maintenance cost material (if I remember worst to best was ferro-cement, steel, conventional wood, aluminum, fiberglass, cold molded wood) Of course as with any generalized study there will be case by case exceptions and given the comparatively small sampling of non-FRP boats the results could easily been skewed by a few bad apples.
Other problems with ferro-cement are the difficulty of connecting things to it, and prevention of rot in wood in contact with ferro-cement. The difficulty in bolting to ferro-cement is that ferro-cement hates localized loadings. It's hard to glue things to ferro-cement. secondary bonds are greatly greatly weaker than primary bonds.
Then there is the market value thing. ferro-cement does have a reputation in the States that does not match the comparatively high regard that it is held in other countries. Some of this is just plain unfair prejudice but some of this comes from real shortcomings in the materials as noted above. A well-built ferro-cement boat can be a reasonably good cruising boat. But the image of the crudely finished 'hippie' built cement and rust buckets still clouds the perception of ferro-cement for many North Americans.
The other problem is telling whether the boat that you are looking at is a good boat. It is very hard with non- destructive survey techniques to tell whether the original work was done well and is in good condition. While sounding will reveal any major separations in the cement to reinforcing bond, it does little to determine the affects of fatigue, poor curing practices or cold joints. With Ferro-cement it is particularly important to maintain the ferro-cement parts in good condtion. That can be very significant. People who buy boats because they are priced well below the market, often are overly frugal or just plain do not have the money that it takes to properly maintain a boat. An otherwise good Ferro-cement boat left to poor maintenance and miss-handling can quickly become a poster child for why North American's don't trust Ferro-cement
To me the real cost of owning a boat is the difference between what you paid for the boat, the cost of upgrades and maintenance and the price that you can get when you sell the boat. The problem with a lot of low value boats is that the sales price is always limited no matter how much you put into the boat. This too works against ferro cement boats.
I guess my conclusion is if you are strictly looking for an initial up front cost boat and don't mind putting some sweat equity in, and you can look past the sailing shortcomings, and you actually find one that was well built and well maintained, a ferro-cement boat might work out fine for you. For most of us, they do not.
Mstern: what happens when you hit GRP with a hammer? Ok now how about wood? Now tell us what light houses are made of. Cement really isn't dumb as a building material and add to the list of benefits easy to repair any where in the world.
Now for the electrical and plumbing on the vast majority of inexpensive fiberglass or any other material boats. Lots done by "handymen". Automotive and household materials.
I'm no ferrobooster but as I understand it, low quality galvanized armature wire was the big problem with many homebuilt ferro hulls. If you can find a surveyor who knows them and it checks out then why not ferro. Cheap does sometimes translate to good value if you're careful.
Ferrocement boats are often considered uninsurable because the quality of their construction was very variable, as many were home-built. They were considered a cheap way to construct a boat, but if the proper materials weren't used, they have a lot of problems. I have seen some ferrocement boats that were well-executed and quite beautiful, and I've seen many more that were disasters waiting to happen. YMMV.
Finding a surveyor who has experience in Ferrocement construction is likely to be difficult.
|FWIW - Westsail did not build ferro cement boats. Their boats were glass construction.
|Why do you want a ferro boat? They were relatively popular for a very short time about thirty years ago and then pretty much disappeared. From what I understand, they disappeared for good reason. Westsail was the primary manufacturer, and they sold a lot of boats as unfinished hulls for the do-it-yourself market. As a consequence, the quality of the boats out there varies tremendously. Ferro as a building material has the benefit of being really inexpensive; this keeps the cost of the new boat way down. For you the used boat buyer, this is almost meaningless as you reap none of those benefits. Cons? poorly constructed interiors, uneven quality fittings, very heavy displacement (i.e., slow), poor resale value. What happens when you hit cement with a hammer? Imagine hitting your cement hull on a rock... I could go on, but you get the picture. I would guess that one of the big attractions of this boat you are considering is its low price; well, the price is low because the demand for ferro boats is low too. If you are seriously considering buying the boat, ask if the interior is a factory job or done by an amatuer. Check the wiring and plumbing carefully; if they too were done in the backyard, they may be suspect. I have seen enough crappy electrical work done by professionals in factories; I shudder to think what an enthusiastic but untalented amateur might come up with. Unless you are very handy, have a lot of time, and enjoy major projects, I would avoid ferro boats. There is a world of inexpensive fiberglass boats out there with 6'4" headroom capable of going around the world.
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hi im looking at buying a ferro boat.what are the pitfalls and are there any pluses?????.nice boat with 6-4 headroom ,which i need .very basic .to go round the world will need a lot of electronics.thinking of putting it up on the dry and surveying it .any ideas what to look for
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First Promotional Images For Toei's CG 'Captain Harlock' Surface
Earlier this week we relayed the relatively amorphous news that Toei Animation has plans to complete new "Space Pirate Captain Harlock" and "Daikuu Maryu Gaiking" CG animated features for international audiences. According to Anime News Network things are moving right along at Toei, however, which has released new promotional images teasing the look of the film and has reportedly already completed a trailer for "Harlock."
The promotional images are preliminary and subject to change, but with a creative lineup that includes the screen writer from "Mobile Suit Gundam UC," the director and mechanical designer from "Appleseed" and the character designer from "Ninja Scroll," the look of the film seems to be in qualified hands. Harlock's armor seems a little Edward Elric, but I'm okay with the good captain trading up from his original white slacks.
There's no word on when the pilot will find its way to the Web, but ANN expects more word at the Tokyo International Anime Fair this week…Now to wait for more word on "Gaiking."[Via Anime News Network]


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Does anyone no if the Media Center 730 (REP ) Nav Radio shows lane guidance or 3D Junction view? :confused:
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I m sure that i have seen both on my system
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Hmmm need to find a freeway to check!
From memory think it did show the James st exit lane on the Mitchel freeway.
Tom-Tom in Sydney last year approaching the harbour bridge just got me confused.
Too many lanes to fit on the screen, lannnnes into lannnes exits merging. LOL
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Maxime Lopez is only 16-years-old, but he is being touted as one of the next big things in French football. Already a star at Under 19 level, news of a link with Liverpool has Marseille fans panicking that they could be set to lose one of their prized assets before he even pulls on the famous white jersey at the new look Stade Velodrome.
Right now Lopez is available on a free transfer as he has yet to sign his first pro-contract. Opportunistic Liverpool are looking to make a move for the attacking midfielder, and they have already begun courting the talented youngster.
Rodgers seems very serious in his plan to convince Lopez that joining Liverpool is the best option for the youngster , the player and his family were invited to watch the derby against Everton as guests of the manager, the classic manoeuvre making it clear that Lopez had a future in the Liverpool boss' plans .
Lopez currently plays for Olympique de Marseille's Under 19 side, and impressed during this year's UEFA Youth League. He played in all six group games, scoring Marseille's second in a 4-1 win over Borussia Dortmund and providing both assist as they beat Napoli 2-1 in the third group game. An impressive performance in London against Arsenal in November helped attract English scouts.
There is little doubt that Lopez is the great hope of the current Marseille youth side, former coach Bernard Gregori gave his opinion on the player to OM fan site Le Phoceen.
"He is small, in the style of (Mathieu) Valbuena, very good technically, serious, always well dressed, works on his physicality off the field. He has huge qualities".
The player, who only turned 16 in December, has yet to decide anything, his brother plays for local side Consolat Marseille and has been targeted by clubs in Ligue 2. The club are clear that they want Maxime to follow in the footsteps of Samir Nasri and Andre Ayew, and Lopez will know that young players with quality always get their chance at the Stade Velodrome. It is, however, difficult to turn down the approaches of a Premier League side.
Liverpool wouldn't have to pay a transfer fee for the youngster, as he is part of the youth set-up he is not allowed to sign a professional contract at this time. Marseille would be able to recoup a fee for developing the player, but it would be nothing like the transfer fee they would receive should he continue to develop in the first-team.
It seems, according to former coach Gregori, that the decision will be made by the player's parents: "…he should have played in CFA (with the Marseille reserve team), but as we wanted to progress with the U19 side at all costs, he has been a bit restrained. At the end this will be a story about money… the parents will decide".
Liverpool will have some competition for Lopez's signature as Arsenal's chief scout Giles Grimandi was in Marseille a few weeks ago to cast his eye over the 16-year-old talent.
Lopez was playing for Marseille's U17 side in the national championship and it is reported that the Arsenal scout and former player was in attendance to watch the young player in action.
Grimandi and the small number of fans in attendance were not left disappointed by Lopez's performance, the player wearing the number 10 in the video set up Marseille's opening two goals as they saw off neighbours Nimes 3-0. Young forward Jeremie Porsan-Clemente scored two of the home sides' goals in the comfortable victory.
The opening goal shows Lopez find space in the box before beating his man and unselfishly squaring for Porsan to give OM a 1-0 lead. For the second goal, Lopez again finds himself in acres of space on the left flank, he looks up and picks out Anis Libotte on the edge of the box, the young attacker does well to apply the finish.
He is naturally right-footed, but likes to drift to the left, but it this age he is comfortable playing all along the midfield line. He makes intelligent runs off the ball, is eager to find space and get on the ball at every opportunity. For a young boy that at 15 has been playing and impressing against Under 19 opponents, right now there is no limit to how good Lopez could be.
Liverpool may have been too quick in showing their hand to the other clubs in England. Now that their interest is known, other clubs are now joining the queue to take a look at the talented prospect.
Only this morning French newspaper La Provence reported that Lopez was considering signing his first Pro deal with Marseille, the 16-year-old would sign a three year deal that would keep him at the club until just shy of his 20th birthday. Liverpool will need to act fast if they want to capture this potential talent.
It is obviously too early to tell just how good Lopez could be, but the interest from Arsenal and Liverpool may well have Marseille officials worried that they could lose one of their top prospects before he is able to delighted the 60,000 fans at the newly refurbished Stade Velodrome in the next few years.


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The Opera House
A historic venue in Shepherdstown offers a unique location for performances and movies.
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As its name suggests, the Opera House—now a nostalgic, intimate performance venue—was built in 1909 as an opera house. Originally owned by Shepherdstown mayor Upton S. Martin, in 1928, the Opera House became the first motion picture theater in West Virginia with sound, enabling it to show the newfangled "talkies." The Opera House was closed for several decades before it was purchased by Pam and Rusty Berry in 1992. After an extensive renovation and careful restoration of the historic building, the Berrys reopened the Opera House and began showing independent and foreign films. They later added new lighting and sound systems to accommodate live musical and theatrical performances. The Opera House is now owned by Lawrence and Julie Cumbo. As a filmmaker, Lawrence wanted to preserve the theater's cinematic tradition, but he knew live music was also an important part of Opera House culture.
Under the Cumbos' direction, the Opera House has grown into one of the area's finest music and film venues. "We've grown in live entertainment a lot," Lawrence says. "We have a wide variety of bands. We're known for bluegrass, but we also have some country, lots of jam bands, as well as indie rock and reggae." Many of these bands are local West Virginia acts, but other big names stop at Shepherdstown as a convenient stop in between their Philadelphia and Washington, D.C., shows. The Opera House also shows films, but they aren't the movies you see at big theaters. "We have film festivals and film events often about social issues. We'll have the filmmaker come and lead a discussion about the film," Lawrence says.
Concert-goers and musicians alike appreciate the quality of the sound at the Opera House. "It was built as a proper opera house so the sound is an amazing experience. Everyone talks about it," Lawrence says. In addition, the smaller size of the venue allows for intimate performances and a lighthearted atmosphere. The musicians can feel the people enjoying themselves, and the crowd feels like they are a part of the show. The Opera House also benefits from its location. Shepherdstown offers a rich history and art culture that traveling musicians love. "It's a very welcoming culture for artists. That's something that sets us apart."
An accomplished filmmaker who has worked for National Geographic, Lawrence brought his work home when he began filming a new series, Rocking the Opera House: Dr. John for the Smithsonian Channel. The show is filmed at the Opera House and throughout the Shepherdstown area. "It's performance mixed with storytelling. It's footage of Dr. John performing with beautiful transitions into the history of Shepherdstown." The show premiered March 7, 2014, on the Smithsonian Channel.operahouselive.com


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This bath was started without putting in a vapor barrier between blocks and stud walls. Brother says its fine, I say its not. Its a dry basement and block walls have 3 coats of UGL Drylock. Only 2 walls are exterior (under ground), the other 2 are just 2x4 stud walls in open basement. Its my understanding that a vapor barrier should have been put in between the stud walls and blocks, then insulated. No insulation behind shower either. Brother says nothing goes behind shower, says we insulate other stud walls and put vapor barrier between drywall and studs. I think he is wrong.
How should this have been done and what are our options short of convincing him to tear it all out and start over?
i guess the first one never went, so.... first, where is this? i would absolutely install up to 3" of rigid foam in your exterior walls, leaving it loose enough to get the tip of a spray foam can in to seal it. no need for insulation in interior walls, unless noise is a concern. "wall is dry"; have you taped visqueen to the wall and let it sit a few days? water does not wick in buckets, so it can evaporate as fast as it wicks. you are probably ok w/ the drylok on. what appliances are going in? shower? tub? tile? etc. instead of relying on poly between studs and drywall, it may be better to use cementisous (however you spell that) boards, sealed. btw: pipes in exterior walls are to be within 1/3 of the way through the insulation; you may have a problem there, assuming the outside of the blocks does not have a ton of rigid foam and your soil gets cold.
gawd-save-us from brother-in-laws :laughing:
that is spelled "bother-in-law":thumbup:
This is very much a local code issue. How are we to know what's legal where you live?
Good point, WHERE do you and your brother live? Or where is the house?
You are under the 2006 IECC; http://www.reedconstructiondata.com/...codes/alabama/
No vapor retarder or barrier is required below-grade; http://publicecodes.cyberregs.com/ic...2_4_par027.htm
No insulation on basement walls is required per code; http://publicecodes.cyberregs.com/ic...2_4_par004.htm
However; with your Jan, Feb, and Dec. lows averaging 34*F (and your concrete wall above-grade +6" below), you need to keep the basement relative humidity below 27% with 70*F room temperature for no condensation there. With 1" XPS (R-5), the dew point is 33% RH in basement, for that small area during that cold weather temperature and below. Pretty mild.
Again, don't use a vapor barrier plastic or vapor retarder faced-insulation; http://www.buildingscience.com/docum...commendations/
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The essential debate about the franchise for next year's referendum on Scottish independence – the historic inclusion of under-18s versus the exclusion of Scottish military personnel serving overseas - has jumped into life after ministers in Edinburgh published their bill on the referendum franchise.
There was one unintended controversy over my reporting on Tuesday of the quite complex steps the Scottish government has had to take on preserving the identity of those 125,000 or so 16 and 17 year olds who will be allowed to vote, after I described that list as "secret".
That was meant to reflect the fact that this list – unlike every other voters roll – will remain wholly and entirely undisclosed outside a small number of electoral officials: it was not meant as an underhand dig but to underline the significant steps ministers believe are needed to make this extension of the franchise work.
In the discussion below the story, I made this observation:
The list of all under 18 year olds eligible to vote will not be disclosed to anyone outside a very strictly controlled group of official staff involved with electoral registration and the voting process: it will be secret in that sense, and is a far tougher policy/test than the current selective use of confidentiality in some regards with the adult register.
There will be a merged list produced from that data, which will exclude any age identifying information. But even that merged list of all voters will not be released to anyone other than the two registered campaign groups - Yes Scotland and Better Together. No-one gets to know who the 16 and 17 year olds are. That will be secret.
I think that goes beyond being heavily-restricted or highly confidential, but recognise that some people felt the word "secret" over-stated that.
Beyond this debate, the bill itself and its detailed supporting documents (available here) answer some questions and raise a number of bigger ones which could well continue to bubble up as the bill goes through Holyrood. Others will emerge as the Electoral Commission and other groups study the detail.
Notably, the nationalist legal blogger Lallands Peat Worrier has asked why should prisoners be denied a vote, while the Telegraph has questioned why Scottish soldiers serving abroad would be missed off too.
And for political anoraks and party officials, there's the intriguing question about why the Scottish government has decided only the official "yes" and "no" campaigns will be given access to the final merged list of all eligible voters.
Alex Salmond's official spokeswoman confirmed on Tuesday that this list would be given to the two campaigns only 16 weeks before referendum day: the first minister is widely expected to disclose that hotly-anticipated date next week, on Thursday 21 March.
(There is growing speculation that that is the day he'll publish the full referendum bill, two days before the Scottish National party's spring conference in Inverness, which will add further legal detail to the plans for the new voters register for the referendum.)
The main political parties, despite being highly experienced at handling data and observing their legal duties as data holders, will be denied access to the full complete list – a decision which will surely inhibit their right to send literature to every voter (ironically so, in the case of the Scottish National party, which has championed votes for 16 and 17 year olds).
Alex Salmond's desk in the Scottish government press office was asked several times yesterday why this distinction has been made, and the best answer was this:
The government's proposals, welcomed by child protection groups, seek to limit the availability of information on the youngest voters in the interests of child protection.
So, a decision has been taken to propose to parliament that designated organisations should have access to the merged register but no other campaigners. The numbers involved (i.e. the difference between those on the merged register and those on the local government register) will be small.
The first minister's official spokeswoman added that they wanted to "strike a balance between putting young voters on an equal footing with other voters and a desire to ensure that their data is treated sensitively and responsibly."
But this doesn't actually directly answer the question about why the parties can't be trusted.
John Curtice, the polling expert at Strathclyde university, suspects that civil servants wants to stop the parties trying to circumvent the decision not to identify 16 and 17 year olds by comparing this new referendum voters list with the standard voters roll and pinpointing new names (a laborious task given there are over 4m voters on the roll and only about 124,000 16 and 17 year olds to find amongst them):
Given that the regular register is in the public domain, if the regular register and the expanded register were put side by side, probably by a process of comparison, you could work out who was under 18.
Curtice suspects that this issue will be raised at Holyrood as the bill goes through parliament:
I would be really surprised if this didn't come up for discussion at stage one.
The Scottish National party has been consistent in its policy on votes for 16 and 17 year olds - it has them for Crofting commission votes and some health board elections. Yet in its leader on Wednesday, the Herald took issue with the central argument for votes at 16 (that 16-year-olds pay tax, can marry and join the armed forces) by asserting this:
On the other hand, nobody is suggesting the right to buy alcohol should be extended to 16-year-olds or the right to fight on the front line and die for their country. There are different thresholds for different activities and rightly so in an era where neuroscience suggests the parts of the human brain we use to weigh up the consequences of our actions often do not mature properly until around the age of 20.
In the vast majority of the world's democracies, there is a consensus that 18 is the right age for the franchise. Some European countries are contemplating lowering the voting age but The Herald has argued that this should happen only after a full consultation and extensive trials, such as those currently being piloted in municipal elections in Norway. If change is deemed desirable, it should be extended to all elections local and national. The referendum is too serious an issue to be the subject of an experiment.
The draft bill also emphatically rules out allowing convicted prisoners the right to vote: this is widely seen as a political decision, since the government is entitled to determine its own franchise in a referendum, and – unlike giving inmates a vote in elections in the UK, there is no legislation to prohibit that. But Salmond is viscerally opposed to allowing prisoners the vote, on principle.
The Scottish government's briefing papers state:
While the franchise at the referendum is a matter for the Scottish parliament to determine, the franchise in Scotland (as throughout the UK) is a matter for the UK parliament. The UK government announced in November 2012 that it would ask a committee of parliamentarians to consider a range of options set out by the government in response to successive rulings by the European court of human rights that the UK's ban on prisoners voting in elections to state legislatures breaches the European convention on human rights. The committee will report later in 2013.
The ECHR ruling (and human rights case law) does not relate to referendums, and convicted prisoners will not be able to vote in the referendum irrespective of whether UK electoral law is amended to extend the vote to prisoners for parliamentary elections before the referendum in 2014.
Supported by Adam Tomkins, the constitutional expert at Glasgow university, Lalland Peat Worrier says that is legally watertight. Referring to previous ECHR cases about voting in elections, including the case Hirst v United Kingdom, he writes:
In essence, this means that Holyrood could but won't enfranchise prisoners, if it passes this bill. [My] question is, can they get away with it? The policy memorandum doesn't provide any evidence to support its claim that referendums can be distinguished from elections, when it comes to prisoners' voting rights. Like all devolved legislatures, Holyrood is charged in its founding documents to observe the rights protected by the European Convention.
Unlike Westminster, the Scottish parliament can't assert sovereignty and shrug off the European court's decision in Hirst v. the United Kingdom, which held that our blanket ban on prisoners voting was incompatible with the convention (but didn't hold that all prisoners in all circumstances should be granted the right to vote).
So the conundrum is this: the Scottish parliament, unlike Westminster, must observe the European convention on human rights in its legislation. The European court of human rights has said denying every prisoner a vote breaches the convention.
Although LPW doesn't mention this, the SNP government is of course making great play of its intention to have a written constitution in an independent Scotland: we won't see any official draft before referendum day, but why shouldn't it enshrine the convention rights of (at least some) prisoners to vote?
Here's what he concludes:
A formalistic construction of the convention clearly supports the Scottish government position, and legally, I'd expect the proposed limits to the independence franchise to be upheld as compatible with the European convention. One has to wonder, however, whether depriving those in jail of any say in their country's future abides by the spirit, if not the letter, of the European court's judgment in Hirst, or represents 'effective and meaningful democracy governed by the rule of law' where 'universal suffrage' is a 'basic principle' worth upholding. Even for the 7,500 or so folk who are currently bidies-in with Her Majesty.
The Telegraph meanwhile has taken a poke at the decision to bar Scottish soldiers based or serving outside Scotland from voting while allowing under-18s to do so. In its splash in the Scottish edition, it implies this is a perverse, politically correct decision.
Two out of Scotland's five Royal Regiment of Scotland battalions will be based outside the country come referendum day, it reports. Although it agrees that personnel with a fixed Scottish home address can vote, the Telegraph quotes both Jim Murphy, Labour's shadow defence secretary at Westminster and Maj Gen Andrew Mackay, a retired General Officer Commanding Scotland, criticising the policy.
Describing Scottish soldiers as "genuine patriots", Murphy said:
In all the excitement of 16 year-olds getting the chance to vote it is unacceptable that servicemen and women posted outside of Scotland are being overlooked.
Those who choose to leave Scotland don't have a right to vote in the referendum, but our service personnel haven't chosen to leave they have been directed to do so. They shouldn't be excluded because of that loyalty.
Maj Gen Mackay (the Telegraph adds that he commanded Prince Harry in Afghanistan) said:
It seems incongruous that as a born and bred Scot you can serve your country yet be denied a vote.
Soldiers never like to stand by passively particularly when they have made so much sacrifice themselves.
But if you exclude the under-18s issue, the Scottish government is taking a pretty consistent position on the franchise for the referendum: it is using the local government electoral roll and franchise rules.
So all UK and EU citizens resident in Scotland will be allowed to vote, along with armed service personnel registered to vote at a Scottish address. (But then Scotland's 8,100 prison inmates all live at a Scottish address too).
The bar on Scottish squaddies not based or registered in Scotland will likely exclude only a few thousand people, but critics say this: if Scottish ministers want to use their discretion to expand the franchise to include 16 and 17 year olds, why not try for Scottish military personnel overseas too?
There's a counter-argument, presumably. If Scottish soldiers living outside Scotland would be allowed to vote, why not include other ex-pats or Scots living in England? That question has already been conceded in principle by all the UK parties, despite Murphy's intervention.
The Edinburgh agreement last year is quite explicit: the referendum will be framed and decided in Scotland. So, if you want to influence that outcome and live elsewhere, you need to move.


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Reviewing the new study that's been widely reported as showing fish oil supplements increase the risk of prostate cancer puts me in mind of a recent review of a Kenny G album:
"There's a lot to criticize in the music of Kenny G. For example, everything."
I found that pretty amusing.
This study? Not so much.
There's nothing amusing about this study, and what the media has done with it is—to paraphrase Samuel Jackson in Pulp Fiction—"very (blank)-ing far from funny".
Disgraceful, Incompetent, and Scientifically Illiterate
Before we get to the study itself—and we will—let's talk about the media, whose reporting here is disgraceful, incompetent, and scientifically illiterate. Here's an example of some of the headlines, the idiocy of which will become clear in just a moment:
- "Omega-3 supplements linked to prostate cancer" (Fox News)
- "Omega-3 supplements could raise prostate risk" (Telegraph)
- "Fish oil supplements linked to prostate cancer" (Health News)
- "Men who take omega-3 supplements at 71% higher risk of prostate cancer" (NY Daily News)
- "Omega-3 supplements may trigger prostate cancer" (Nursing Times)
- "Hold the salmon: Omega-3 fatty acids linked to higher risk of cancer" (CNN)
So, reading this, you might well think that researchers divided a population of men into two groups, gave one group fish oil supplements and the other a placebo, and found that the ones who took the fish oil supplements got way more prostate cancer than the ones who didn't. Right?
The Truth About The "Fish Oil" Study
The first thing you need to know is that no fish oil supplements—or any other kind of supplements, for that matter- were given in this study. None. This study looked at blood levels of long-chain fatty acids such as those found in fish (EPA and DHA). And even there, the association between higher blood levels and prostate cancer—which we'll get to in a minute—was only found for DHA. No association was found between EPA and prostate cancer, nor between prostate cancer and ALA (the omega-3 found in flax and chia).
How do you explain the fact that reporter after reporter and news outlet after news outlet equated higher blood levels of DHA with "fish oil supplement taking"? There's almost no other explanation other than a strong anti-supplement bias and a desire for shocking headlines. And any doubt about the objectivity of the researchers should have been abandoned after one of them—Dr. Alan Kristy—told reporters…
"We've shown once again that use of nutritional supplements may be harmful".
So let's be clear. Supplements weren't a part of the study and weren't given to the participants. Period.
No, like so many studies these days, this was an observational study (based on data from participants in the Prostate Cancer Prevention Trial from 1994-2003). There was no experiment, just an observation about what things were found together in this particular population.
Stranger than Fiction: Trans Fats Protective!
Want to know what else the researchers found? Participants who had the highest levels of trans fats in their blood also had the least risk for prostate cancer.
So, if you want to jump to conclusions and take action immediately, here are two things you should do right now to protect your health:
- Stop eating fish
- Start eating trans fats
No one in the media is dumb enough to tell us to do that. These same folks are, however, casting doubt about the safety of omega-3 supplements, which— in case you happened to miss this the first two or three times I mentioned it– were not used in the study.
If blood levels of omega-3's are the problem, fish should be just as "dangerous" as fish oil supplements. And– so far, at least– I haven't heard any media pundits advise us to stop eating salmon and start scarfing down donuts and margarine– because they're so rich in "protective" trans fats.
Study Debunking 101: Why Were DHA Levels High?
The best study debunker in the business– Denise Minger— points out that DHA levels in the blood do not necessarily track with dietary intake. The men with the higher levels of DHA weren't necessarily eating more fish, and we pretty much know that the majority weren't taking supplements (because the researchers said as much). Though DHA levels in the blood go up when you consume lots of omega-3's, they can also go up for other reasons, one of them being a low-fat diet.
Think about that for a minute.
Minger also points out that the "highest levels of serum DHA" were based on percentage values, not absolute values. Let's just say that percentage-based measurements can be…..well, misleading. A higher percentage of DHA might mean a lower percentage of something that the researchers didn't investigate. (They only looked at 8 fatty acids.) "Expressing plasma phospholipid fatty acid composition as a percentage of the total is meaningful only when the total fatty acid content is identical for all subjects", writes Dr. Ching Kuang Chow in the American Journal of Nutrition.
Write One Hundred Times on the Blackboard: Correlation is not Causation
It's worth repeating—and repeating, and repeating- that correlation is not causation. Observational studies like this one are not randomized controlled studies. They simply point to associations—like the fact that people who have "yellow fingers" tend to have higher rates of lung cancer. They don't tell us why those associations exist.
(Yellow finger syndrome is a "side-effect" of holding cigarettes in your hand all day long. Clearly, yellow fingers don't "cause" lung cancer, even though there's a strong positive association between the two.)
In this study, we have no idea why higher blood levels of DHA were found to be associated with higher levels of risk for aggressive prostate cancer. DHA might be a marker for something else, just as "yellow fingers" are a "marker" for smoking. Researchers say they like to "control" for extraneous variables, but for reasons unknown, these researchers did not "control" for such variables as age and race and… oh yes, diet. God knows what else they didn't "control" for.
As Minger puts it:
"This is a classic case of correlation clashing with biological plausibility – and it highlights why observational studies, with their slew of undocumented variables and contradictory findings, can't tell us anything definitive about food and disease."
And while we're on the subject of confounding variables consider these statistics from the study, courtesy of my friend Bob Roundtree, MD, Medical Director for Thorne Research:
- 53 percent of the subjects with prostate cancer were smokers.
- 64 percent of the cancer subjects regularly consumed alcohol.
- 30 percent of the cancer subjects had at least one first-degree relative with prostate cancer.
- 80 percent of the cancer subjects were overweight or obese.
Context is Everything
Finally, let's put this study in context. There have been literally thousands of published studies on omega-3 fats, spanning the course of over three decades and including not just observational studies, but randomized controlled trials as well.
The overwhelming majority of them have been positive, so much so that when it comes to fish oil, even mainstream medicine has overcome its default bias against vitamin supplements. Major establishment health organizations now recommend fish eating and, often, fish oil supplementation. Even Big Pharma is getting in on the act, with pharmaceutical companies (GlaxoSmithKline) marketing prescription fish oil products (Lovaza).
Jumping to the opposite conclusion from one or two observational studies—particularly observational studies that contradict the bulk of the research, leave out a number of critical variables like diet, and postulate no biological mechanism that could explain the odd findings—certainly makes for good headlines.
It doesn't, however, make for good sense.
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Great job Jonny. I was waiting for you to respond to this. Maybe that doctor can give his stats for how many people are actually harmed by supplements every year. I'm betting it's vanishingly small. How much omega 3 are you recommending now? Are you still taking 2 tablespoons every morning?
Hey Johnny!
Take a look at the work of Ray Peat. Just sayin'
Have a nice day!
Thanks for clearing up the controversy on fish oil. People need to do their homework and stop believing everything they hear. It is never what it appears to be when the media gets a hold of it.
Maybe next time they will make a case for water causing death. Everyone who dies has had some water.
The past repeats itself. Weren't those similar sounding words spoken in the 1930's with the appearance of corn oil and margarine?
Thanks for this report it really helped me to get my head straight after the media frenzy last week !
Thank you
Love this! I love when I can find someone who at least cares about finding the truth in the media, regarding anything. As soon as a I heard this study I immediately knew the nutritionists who were going to face it head on.
I was wondering about this as a regular taker of Fish Oil and salmon eating, it didn't seem to make sense.
Thanks for the proper info 🙂
So true Doc. This is really saying one should avoid ice cream, as it has been shown that consumption of ice cream is closely related to drowning. Similarly, wearing shoes historically is correlated with the onset of Schizophrenia in the past, a clear warning sign to avoid ice cream and shoes, I think. Failing to integrate multiple factors before opining seems to just never want to go away, and our researchers continue to look at things in isolation.
this is terrific– great examples i can use when i lecture. As good as my classic "storks and babies" correlation, which is true in certain parts of Denmark
As usual great analysis Jonny! Also, you are spot on with Omega-3s.
I gotta laugh at that one and I thought Fox news was better then that. Thanks for clearing that up.
May I link this article in my next newsletter? You've given an excellent explanation of the issue…also, it'll save me from writing a similar article debunking the study. 🙂
of course! and thank you for asking!
Dear Jonny,
As an acknowledged expert in the field, isn't there some process by which at least the scientific journals publishing such wild conclusions can be taken to task, and black-balled in the scientific community? The American Journal of Epedemiology, to which the link on yr blog leads, can surely be asked to withdraw the credibility it gives to such conclusions simply by publishing them. I dont know hoe the system works. Would this be possible?
So, now that I've thrown away a half bottle of Omega 3 supplements, is it okay to buy another bottle, and get back on it? Read someplace recently herring is also a good source. What say you?
i say buy high quality omega-3 products like the ones we carry here or on RockwellNutrition.com, and don't worry about it. Herring has some omega-3's for sure.
Good to know
Wonder who funded this study?
Interesting! Thanks for clarifying all this.
Also, what do you think about fermented cod liver oil? Is it better for you than regular fish oil supplements? I know a lot of people in the paleo community are promoting this right now and I was just interested in your thoughts. Thanks!
Great read… As much b.s I knew it was, you explained it very well
The professor involved with this study was on Science Friday, a National Public Radio broadcast. Because his study was published in a major medical journal, he went uncontested as he proclaimed that fish oil supplements are to blame for higher levels of a particular prostate cancer. Not only did he repeatedly recommend not taking fish oil supplements, but supplements of any kind. Shameful misinformation.
There are many ways to skew information to discredit supplements. Here's one: we don't know what terrible condition the subjects were in in the first place. Maybe they were about to die and selected to prove their point. We don't see the actual study to evaluate it for ourselves.
the media seems more interested in shocking people than giving them good information and the shocking headlines gives them more attention and more money.
Dear Dr Bowden,
Love your work, but it is important here to distinguish between Omega-3 sourced from fish which I agree is important versus omega-3 sourced from plants. There are too many studies now that show that ALA form plants is not being effectively converted to EPA and DHA.
Recent studies demonstrate that the plant form of Omega-3, Alpha Linolenic Acid (ALA), is not efficiently converted to its active forms that are effectively used by the body; EPA acid- Eicosapentaenoic acid and DHA acid- Docosahexaenoic acid. Increased levels of ALA in the body can have very serious effects on the body including impact on eyesight and increased risk of prostrate cancer.
Please refer to study: http://jn.nutrition.org/content/134/4/919.full
And to http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17536124
And also see: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9637947
Unfortunately flaxseed oil has a very high proportion of ALA that is not easily converted in the body to EPA and DHA.
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The Battle of Worcester was the final battle of the English Civil War. Oliver Cromwell and the Parliamentarians defeated the Royalist, mainly Scottish, forces of King Charles II on September 3, 1651 at Worcester, England. The 16,000 Royalist forces were defeated by the 28,000 strong "New Model Army" of Cromwell.


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Mumps cases connected to OSU now up to 21
COLUMBUS, Ohio (WTVN) -- Columbus Public Health now confirms that they have seen 21 cases of the mumps connected to Ohio State University.
"They range in age between 18 and 48," said Columbus Public Health spokesman Jose Rodriguez.
17 of the cases are OSU students. One case is a family member, one case an OSU staff member, and two are people with strong ties to the university.
Rodriguez says the department is not only closely monitoring the cases in central Ohio, but cases around the state and nationally. That due in part to the fact that OSU students are just returning from spring break and may have taken the disease with them.
Two of the female victims were hospitalized because of the illness. Two sickened people were hospitalized for a day and released.
Rodriguez expects cases to continue to trickle in for the near future. That's because the incubation period of mumps is 15 to 25 days.
Mumps is spread by droplets of saliva or mucus from the mouth, nose, or throat of an infected person, usually when the person coughs, sneezes or talks, according to the CDC. Items used by an infected person, such as cups or soft drink cans, can also be contaminated with the virus, which may spread to others if those items are shared.
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Parents Sue School, Claim Wi-Fi Made Son Sick
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Regardless, a lack of science hasn't stopped parents in Massachusetts from suing their local private school, claiming the school installed new Wi-Fi gear in 2013 that triggered "headaches, nosebleeds, nausea, and other symptoms" in their thirteen-year-old child. The suit hopes to have "Electromagnetic Hypersensitivity Syndrome" classified under the protections of the Americans with Disabilities Act. According to the lawsuit (pdf), the child's mother, after "much research and study," concluded that it was the Wi-Fi making the child sick, something family doctors were willing to substantiate.
Justifiably, the school brought in EMF analysis experts to document the specific EMF hazard being posed (spoiler, there wasn't any):
"Isotrope found that the combined levels of access point emissions, broadcast radio and television signals, and other RFE emissions on campus 'were substantially less than one ten-thousandth (1/10,000th) of the applicable (FCC) safety limits."The family was also annoyed when the school district wanted to use their own doctors, who in about ten minutes (at least according to the parents) came to the conclusion that whatever is ailing the kid, it wasn't Wi-Fi radiation:
"The family was also unhappy after officials at Fay asked them to have G see another physician, who after speaking to G for 10 minutes and not conducting any tests "pronounced that in his view there was not enough study yet done to link Wi-Fi emissions to symptoms such as those G is experiencing at Fay School," they say in the complaint. "This doctor stated in essence that he does not believe in EHS," the lawsuit says. "Yet he made no alternate diagnosis."All told, the parents demanded the school run Ethernet to classrooms their child attends, lower the overall power of Wi-Fi transmissions in the school, and provide $250,000 in settlement funds. A new, updated report suggests that a preliminary settlement with the school may have already been reached. Maybe it's just me, but it seems like these disputes could be settled very easily (and without hindering the school's coffers or other student's capacity for learning) by having the electromagnetically-sensitive participate in a blinded study requiring they clearly illustrate their ability to detect electromagnetic fields.
While there are countless diseases that constantly illustrate we certainly don't know as much as we think we do (Lyme Disease, for example), if EMF exposure really is having that dramatic of an impact on certain individuals, this is surely reproducible and provable, right? Right?


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Literally at the last leg of the flight from Phoenix, the passenger in question decided to whip out and turn on their cell phone during the plane's landing approach into the airport. Of course, the man was informed to turn it off, but for some reason unknown to us all, he ignore the request. Well folks, there's nothing wrong with questioning authority, but when there are security concerns with flights, it shouldn't be taken too lightly by passengers.
For his deed, the individual was met by El Paso police authorities upon arrival at the gate, and was arrested soon afterwards. So what can we all learn from this? Well, it's one thing to question authority, but when someone tells you politely to turn your cell phone off, you might want to take it with great concern and not shrug it off like it's of little importance.
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Maine Spinning Company mill, Skowhegan, ca. 1925
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Date: circa 1925
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Vacant Spinning Room in Pepperell Mills, Biddeford, 1910
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Spinning Room of Pepperell Mills, Biddeford, 1910
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At the heyday of trolleys in Maine, many of the trolley companies developed recreational facilities along or at the end of trolley lines as one further way to encourage ridership. The parks often had walking paths, dance pavilions, and various other entertainments. Cutting-edge technology came together with a thirst for adventure and forever changed social dynamics in the process.
Wired! How Electricity Came to Maine
As early as 1633, entrepreneurs along the Piscataqua River in southern Maine utilized the force of the river to power a sawmill, recognizing the potential of the area's natural power sources, but it was not until the 1890s that technology made widespread electricity a reality -- and even then, consumers had to be urged to use it.
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Cultivation of silkworms and manufacture of silk thread was touted as a new agricultural boon for Maine in the early 19th century. However, only small-scale silk production followed. In 1874, the Haskell Silk Co. of Westbrook changed that, importing raw silk, and producing silk machine twist threat, then fabrics, until its demise in 1930.
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An extensive history of a small central Maine town as compiled by team members from Guilford Historical Society and Piscataquis Community Middle School, with input from Guilford Memorial Library, Guilford Economic Development Board, and the Guilford's town office. Manufacturing, festive events, historic buildings, notable veterans, and education, are covered in depth.
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Mount Desert Island: Shaped by Nature
Highlights from the history of what is perhaps the most popular tourist destination in Maine. The site was created by a partnership between MDI High School, Mount Desert Elementary School, and a number of supporting organizations: Acadia National Park, Bar Harbor Historical Society, the Jesup Memorial Library, Great Harbor Maritime Museum, and the Maine Granite Industry Historical Society. Exhibits cover Northeast Harbor, the Granite industry, Bar Harbor's Building of Arts, the Green Mountain Railway, the Bryants and the Rockefellers, and steamboats.


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Captain Tony Cruse Passes Away
A longtime member of the Gilchrist County Sheriff's Office and the Department of Corrections has passed away after a long illness.
Captain Tony Cruse was known for his dedication and service to the entire community everything from stopping to help a stranded motorist to faithfully delivering food for the food bank.
But he might best be known for the love he had for his family.
He rose through the ranks from deputy to captain.
Gilchrist County Sheriff's Bobby Schultz told TV20, "This morning, Gilchrist County lost one of the best friends it has ever had. Our loss is definitely heavens gain. I join the rest of Gilchrist County in praying for the family of Captain Tony Cruse during this difficult time."
The viewing is Friday from 6-8 pm at Pine Grove Baptist Church off of Levy County road 339 in Trenton.
The funeral will be on Saturday at 11am at same location.
Both are open to the public.
Cruse was 41 years old.
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Re: Sporting News Today - Ngata 4th best
Also your comparison for Kampman I don't get what you're getting at in the slightest, Kampman played DE last year and will be playing 3-4 OLB this year for Green Bay, so I've no idea why you want to draw that comparison at all.
Re: Sporting News Today - Ngata 4th best
For our scheme and for what we ask him to do I'm not going to dispute that Ngata (822 snaps in 19 games, 43.2 snaps per game) is as good as there is in the league and I'd not trade him in for anyone considering what he can do now within our scheme and his future upside, but in terms of all-round ability as a DT compared to others around the league he wouldn't make my top 5 just yet. His play against the run alone determines that he's a top 10 talent, but I can't put him in my top 5 yet. That'd go something along the lines of:
- Kevin Williams - Brutally disruptive against run & pass, been doing what Haynesworth does for longer and not merely in contract years. (995 snaps in 17 games, 58.5 snaps per game)
- Albert Haynesworth - He may have only fulfilled his potential in his contract years but he was brutally dominant in both run and pass, Ngata can match his play against the run but his pass rushing is world's different. They're different players in that regard but Haynesworth is still the markedly better player IMO. (735 snaps in 15 games, 49 snaps per game)
- Jay Ratliff - This one I'll probably get shouted down for but he is the centre-piece of the Cowboys D-line, was even with Chris Canty in town and he shows what an NT can do rushing the passer and taking on one-on-one blocks in the middle of the line, particularly against centres who are typically the least athletically gifted players on the O-line. Not going to attract the double teams that Ngata does but in terms of beating blocks to make tackles he's as good and rushing the passer he's massively better. (694 snaps in 16 games, 43.4 snaps per game)
- Marcus Stroud - Again, all round talent at DT. Slipped under the radar with his move to Buffalo but he was superb and unnoticed last year both against the run and pass. (Not done the Bills full season yet but currently 457 snaps through 9 games, 50.8 snaps per game)
- Jamal Williams - Slowing down with injuries but still absolutely class up the middle of the Chargers defence against the run. This is who Ngata will likely push past in the near future but I don't think he's quite there yet. (Not done the Chargers full season yet but currently 462 snaps through 11 games, 42 snaps per game)
I guess what this all boils down to is how you balance a DT's play against the run in comparison to their play as a pass rusher. If you just want the run defence then sure, Ngata is probably top 5, probably top 2 with Williams. But I think you've got to respect the true force as pass rushers that the likes of Williams, Haynesworth and Ratliff are and give them their due as being a level above Ngata as all-round DTs.
As a break down of Ngata's snaps last year as with these guys above, Ngata played 822 snaps in 19 games, 43.2 snaps per game. In those 822 snaps he played the run 358 times, rushed the passer 438 times and dropped into coverage 26 times. For those 438 pass rushes he got 2 sacks (week 8 against Oakland & Conference title game in Pittsburgh)) and hit the QB 9 times. Not exactly massive returns for the number of times after the QB, even for an NT.
Again, I'm not saying Ngata isn't up there, but he's not quite in the top level just yet IMO.
Re: Sporting News Today - Ngata 4th best
I would not trade Nagta for any of those guys. Kevin Williams and Tommie Harris when healthy are awsome and more in the Sapp mold, but I still would rather have the big 2 gap guy that may not get the sack but will collapse the pocket if not doubled. Nagta forces a lot of 3rd and longs by blowing up run plays, and may cause us to get a sack or turnover even when he is resting on the sideline.
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Re: Sporting News Today - Ngata 4th best
Put down the crack pipe and get back to reality.
Marcus Stroud was just traded for a 3rd and a 5th last year,I doubt that the entire league wouldnt pony up more than that for a "top 5 DT" Stroud was at the top of his game 3 years ago,and might have been in the conversation then but not anymore.
Jay Ratliff anchored the TWELFTH ranked run defense for the Cowboys.Oh and BTW the Cowboys have been searching for a true NT for a while now,and even experimented with Ratliff at DE in training camp last year.He is 6'4 302 and more suited for DE,way to light to be a "premier NT like you claim"
But I forgot your criteria apparently is sacks so he fits the bill.
Here is a good article from right before the draft about the status of the Cowboys NT position...
Wheres The Beef? 2009s Crop of Defensive Tackle Prospects
Posted: January 31, 2009 @ 9:35 pm
The consensus opinion among Cowboy fans and league experts is that the Cowboys defense needs to add a run-stuffing, space-eating nose tackle to a defense that ranked 12th against the run in 2008. While perusing this years list of draft eligible defensive tackles, it becomes quickly evident that this years class of cloggers is a bit short on heft. There are just not a ton of 3-4 style defensive tackles in this draft. Of the top 40 prospects at the position, only four tip the scales at more than 315 lbs. Of course, not every 3-4 nose tackle has to be a 350 lb. monster. Jason Ferguson has held the position down for quite some time at about 305 lbs. Good strength and balance, coupled with superb technique can compensate for a lack of overwhelming size.
As you can see, it has been a bit of a mixed bag as far as drafting nose tackles in recent history. And with a thin class of draftees, the Cowboys may have to venture beyond all conventional thinking to plug this hole. Is Magnus Ver Magnusson busy? Cant we just re-sign Marcus Spears, and hook him up with a platinum Golden Corral pass? Honestly, tell me that dude aint the second coming of Gilbert Brown waiting to happen.
In all seriousness, nose tackle is a legitimate need for the Dallas Cowboys. The list of two-gapping free agents-to-be leaves a lot to be desired, and the draft class is skimpy. The Cowboys may have to settle for another slightly undersized penetrator who can at least give Ratliff an occasional breather. If there is not a nose to be had who can free up Ratliff to play some end, the defense could still benefit from always having a fresh body in the middle. However the front office chooses to address this need, the decision will go a long way in determining whether or not a defense that showed flashes of greatness can take the next step forward.
There are a couple of other guys you could have thrown in the mix like Shaun Rogers and Kris Jenkins,but Stroud and Ratliff aren't in the conversation.
Anytime you get into these "top 5 this or that at this position" there is no true way to measure who is number 1 2 3 etc,just that these are the top guys at the position.Ngata is easily in the top 5,and because of his age I wouldnt trade him for ANY of those other guys who are all up there near 30 years old.Ngata will be anchoring our line for the next 8 years while those guys are crossing 30 and slipping with their play and have limited time left as dominant players.
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Re: Sporting News Today - Ngata 4th best
Where are you getting this stuff? The interception in the end zone- that probably won the game in Houston- was one of the most athletic plays I've ever seen by a d-lineman."Sorry officer, nothing wrong here. I'm just watching the Ravens game!"
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Re: Sporting News Today - Ngata 4th best
Why are people jumping on Stockers? Because he is saying something against the emotion of Ravens fans?
He isnt saying Ngata doesnt have talent or that he isnt one hell of an athlete.
He is simply saying there are a select two or three in the league that are better then him at this moment.
And Im sorry, but the INT against Houston was not a game turner. We had that game from the start. Yes, it was one hell of a play, but some game changing event in the clutch.
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Re: Sporting News Today - Ngata 4th best
Why dont you go read my post over again,with the facts to back up what I said included.
To put a guy like Jay freaking Ratliff who isnt even a true NT in the mix and Stroud to a lesser degree is ridiculous.Now if you want top put a guy like Jenkins or Rogers in there we could have and argument.
Either way,Ngata is maybe the 6th best at WORST.But again he is 25 while the others are all 30 and over...I will take Ngata 6 days a week and twice on Sunday over all of those guys.
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Re: Sporting News Today - Ngata 4th best
I didnt know opinions were right or wrong. My bad. I guess we all dont have the acumen you have.
And I did read your post and his. You make valid points. Stockers makes valid points.
And like I said, he is not discrediting Ngata in any way, shape or form.
It is not I who needs to re-read what he wrote. That much is obvious.
Re: Sporting News Today - Ngata 4th best
The Ravens ran Rattliff right over when the season was on the line. Brown and Grubbs mashed him into the turf on both of the season breaking/ record breaking long runs to close out the cowboys.
The Dallas D had a good late surge led by Ware and his 20 sacks, but they were suspect, with more speed than substance up front.
Stroud, Rodgers and Jenkins all started out hot last year, but none of them were still stuffing fools down the stretch like Nagta was. He got better as the year went on, and should continue to improve for a while. He should be better than Haynesworth by the time he is that age.
Nagta, Ray, Reed and even Sizzle are sort of like our Jim Brown, or Bubba Smith, Jonny U, or what ever, and the stats argument was best summed up by Jim Brown when compared to Franco Harris.
"Why would a 230-pound man run out of bounds?" Brown once said, per Freeman's book. "Why is everyone dancing, mugging for the camera? Where's the danger in the game? Where are the characters and the warriors? You talk about records. Why even compare me to Franco? He played thirteen years, I played nine. He played something like fifty more games. Man gets four strikes to my three, where's the significance? My performance spoke for itself. I don't want to hear any shit about Franco."
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Re: Sporting News Today - Ngata 4th best
Shaun Rogers sucks.
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Point 2. Nobody is saying they would gladly trade away Ngata. All that was said is that CURRENTLY he's not the 4th best DT in the NFL.


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There was a 96 M Sport locally that keeps NOT selling on ebay because the reserve is too high. I was the last high bidder and didn't meet the reserve (each time the car goes for less). I get the guy on the phone and all he says is the reserve price; doesn't actually answer any questions; just keeps saying the price and talking about fees.
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Never done a tank journal before so here goes. Tank started out semi planted with fake driftwood and plants. Substrate was black aquarium gravel. Lighting consists of stainless steel 2x32w shoplight with phillips daylight deluxe bulbs(6700k).
Torn down and cleaned, new substrate (STS), real driftwood. Plants as of now are: cabomba, red myro, E. tellinus, and crypts. Lighting has been upgraded with the addition of 2 clamp lights sporting 23w 6500k CFLs. Filtering is handled with a Rena xp3 and 2 powerheads with sponges. Suggestions welcomed, want to keep it medium to low tech for now. plant ideas and donations would be gladly accepted(alot of tank to fill in)LOL.
Looks nice already. That wood is really big. I would cover it with petite anubias.
Any fish at all? or is this a complete start over with new fish as well?
Also I would suggest some type of background, just to clean up the back a little, if you like the brightness you could go with a white or light blue background, I prefer black (boring I know) but best for me.
that wood looks like a stick figure falling
while I'm not a fan of that piece of wood.....for some reason....I envision it being covered in african fern
not java fern, the african stuff, idk why
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That piece of wood was a gift from the better half (any support for the hobby is nice) so I'm gonna make the best of it. I do envision seeing it covered with plants one day. Would be awesome with some xmas moss covering the center section leading up to anubias and ferns of some variety. Probably gonna do a few amazon swords and dwarf sag to help fill in the ends of the tank. Possibly a broad leaf madagascar lace as a center piece.
As for the background, I'm thinking of going with a dark grey. It was black before but I'm looking for a change, although not to bright.
Stocking hasn't been the focus yet, but 100 rummy nose would look great. As always I would love to hear some ideas, suggestions, or awesome acts of kindness thrown at this tank. I'm hoping to make this a 50th birthday present to myself, as I have always wanted a fully planted tank. I will most likely go pressurized CO2 at some point.
Thanks to all who generously give their advise, help, suggestions and such. Also a ton of love goes to the better half for supporting me.
I think it's an awesome piece of wood for your tank. You should get some plants on it. Java fern, anubias, maybe some sort of moss on the tall branch on the left. Your tank is going to look good when it's filled in.
Nothing new yet. I was wondering if anyone has used American pond weed in their tanks? I have a couple ponds on my property and all of them have some in them. Also have some stuff growing that looks to be hair grass but could be really small cattail sprouts. Anyone use plants from ponds successfully before?
I've been looking at the tank and have been trying to picture if the wood would look better oriented differently. Maybe flipped to form an arch, or one end lower and let it climb towards the surface at a corner, or possibly cut it into 2 pieces and add more. Maybe add some large rocks to one end of the wood and scatter a few random pieces along the length?
Any suggestions? Really need some ideas here ,this is a lot harder than it looks to visualize. I've seen the amazing tanks members on here have and I know there is lots of very creative people here. I, myself, am more mechanically inclined, I can see and build just about anything. There is no artist in me.
Perhaps this might be an inspiration:
If you can, position the wood differently in the tank and take a pic of each layout. That would give us all a better idea. I like that piece of wood because it's different and a challenge to scape with. Anyone can take a piece of manzi and make it look good because it's simple.
I would find rocks from large to small so you could have more to work with.
I would also heavily plant with a big tank and hardscape like that. Pond plants work great too. That's where all these plants come from in the first place.
Thanks for the words of encouragement. I really don't want to cut the wood as it is different from what you usually see. I'll see about doing some rearranging and adding some stones. As for planting heavily, that is my goal. I'm going for not really low tech but not high tech either. I'm working on an easily maintainable tank that falls somewhere in between. For now I'm off to see the stone wizard, and possibly rob some plants from the ponds.
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Showing some growth. Not sure of exact species.
Known Flora
E. tellinus dwarf chain sword
Amazon sword :melted from H202 bath to remove algae starting to grow new leaves
Cabomba, Myrio red, Crypt wendtii?, a stem of Wisteria and water sprite that got in there somehow, and some duckweed that is slowing gaining ground.
Just added some lily bulbs from walmart today.
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Just a quick update. What plants i have in the tank are showing growth. The amazon swords that melted are putting out new leaves. Crypts are getting bigger.
Seems I have an outbreak of diatoms starting so this weekend will be wipe and water change. I also have got some trimming and replanting to do of the cabomba and myrio.
Still haven't found any rocks I like, but the search continues.
I do have a question for the shrimp keepers. With STS my waters Kh has more than likely dropped to next to nil and the Ph is at or near 6.4, Gh has remained fairly constant in the moderately hard range, would this work for ghost shrimp? I ask because I would like to get something in the tank to help with cleanup. There are a few pond snails in the tank that seem to be healthy and happy.
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Update ..... Removed wood, just didn't look right to me. Will be picking up new wood tomorrow. Did some trimming and replanting. Will be painting the back today, gonna be a greyish black. Added a few cuttings from some kind of weed that was growing submerged in my bird bath, don't know if it will actually last, but we'll see. All other plants seem to be growing well, although slowly. Still haven't found any rocks that excite me, plenty of choices but nothing that's caught my eye.
Here are the pics......If anyone can identify the plant under the filter it would be nice.
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Quick update: Painted the back, plants standout a little better now. Added some more plants, some ludwigia and rotala , if I identified them correctly.
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