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Installing and Uninstalling MassTransit Outlook Plug-in
Configuring MassTransit Outlook Plug-in
Sending Files with Outlook Plug-in
The MassTransit Outlook plug-in facilitates sending large files and folders as email attachments via MassTransit. The Outlook Plug-in works in conjunction with Outlook 2007 and 2010 for Windows. After installing the Plug-in, a MassTransit toolbar with three available buttons will appear on your Outlook window. By using the MassTransit toolbar buttons you can attach files and folders of any size. If you attach files or folders using the MassTransit plug-in, the plug-in will upload them to the MassTransit server automatically. The recipient will receive your email with an embedded link added to allow them to download the files using a web browser.
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Before you run the installer make sure:
- You have the configuration address to link the plug-in to your MassTransit server. Ask your MassTransit Administrator for the information.
- You have installed Outlook 2007 or 2010. (Note that the plug-in does not support the Microsoft Office Click-To-Run edition and the Microsoft Office 64-bit edition of Outlook.)
- You have a web client account in MassTransit.
Supported operating systems for the MassTransit Outlook Plug-in are Windows XP SP3, Windows Vista (32 and 64 bit), Windows 7 (32 and 64 bit).
To install the Outlook Plug-in follow the steps bellow:
- Double click the MTOutlookPlugin.msi to launch the Outlook Plug-in Installer.
- You may be prompted to download the "Primary Interop Assemblies Update". This update is a mandatory requirement for the Plug-in installation.
- If you select the YES button you will be redirected to the Microsoft Office page where you can download the update. Download and install the Primary Interop Assemblies Update in order to install the Plug-in.
- If you select the NO button you will exit the installation and need to download the required update manually from Microsoft.
After installing the Primary Interop Assemblies Update you need to run the Outlook Plug-in installer again.
If you are not able to install the Primary Interop Assemblies Update, please check your Outlook version. MassTransit does not support the Click-to-Run version of Outlook 2010.
- The installation window will appear, click Next to begin the installation.
You can exit the installation wizard at any time by selecting the Cancel button.
- The "Select Destination Folder" window appears next. The default installation location for MassTransit Outlook Plug-in is:
on 32-bit machines:
C:\Program Files\Group Logic\MassTransit Outlook Plug-in
on 64-bit machines:
C:\Program Files (x86)\Group Logic\MassTransit Outlook Plug-in
- Select the Browse... button if you want to install the MassTransit Outlook Plug-in to a different location than the default.
- If you want to view a list with the drives you can install the plug-in to and their available and required disk space, select the Disk Cost.. button.
- Select the option to install the MassTransit Outlook Plug-in for your acocunt, or for everyone who uses the computer.
When ready click Next.
- The "License Agreement" window appears next. The Next button is enabled after you select I agree with the terms in the license agreement. Once you have read and agreed with the license agreement, select Next to continue.
- The "Confirm Installation" window appears next. Select Next to confirm the installation process.
- The "Installation Complete" window appears, click Close to finish the installation.
Follow these steps to uninstall the MassTransit Outlook Plug-in:
1. Quit all instances of the Outlook plug-in, if any are open or running.
2. Uninstall the Outlook Plug-in through the control panel:
a. Click Start -> Control Panel, open Programs and Features (Add and Remove Programs for Windows XP/2003 Server). Select the "MassTransit Outlook Plug-in" entry and click Uninstall/Remove.
After installing the Outlook Plug-in, you need to configure it in order to send email attachments via MassTransit.
To configure the MassTransit Outlook Plug-in follow the steps bellow:
- Restart your Outlook application. Upon the next Outlook startup a "configuration message" will prompt you to adjust the Plug-in settings.
- Select the Enable MassTransit Outlook Plug-in to handle e-mail attachments check-box. The "MassTransit server end point" field must be configured now. Enter the MassTransit Web Service endpoint address in the following format: https://<server address>:<port number>, where:
- <server address> is the Domain Name Server address of the Endpoint Service.
- <port number> is the port number for the HTTPS listen.
If you do not know the MassTransit Web Service endpoint address contact your MassTransit Server administrator.
- Select Let Outlook handle single file attachments smaller than if you want file attachments under specific size threshold to be sent normally via the email server. Note that the size value applies for each attached item. If you attach multiple files, the ones under the specified size will be sent via the email server and the ones over the threshold via MassTransit. If you do not select the Let Outlook handle single file attachments smaller than option, all files will be send via MassTransit if attached using the MassTransit plug-in buttons.
- Confirm the settings by selecting the OK button.
You can change the MassTransit Outlook Plug-in configurations by selecting the Settings button from the MassTransit toolbar on your Outlook application.
Once you have configured the Outlook plug-in, you can start sending file attachments with or without the MassTransit service.
Using the Outlook Plug-in:
1. Create a new e-mail message, specify the recipient e-mail address in the To field. Recipients can be any arbitrary email address, multiple email addresses, groups, or distribution lists.
Note that when sending files or folders to a distribution list, you need to expand the list in order to allow all members to download the files. You can expand the list by selecting the "+" sign in front of the distribution list and confirm the process by selecting the OK button. If you send files to a distribution list without expanding it, just one member would be able to download files.
2. Attach files or folders:
- There are three available options for adding an attachment:
- You can attach files by clicking on the default Outlook Attach File button or by using the drag and drop option.
If the size of each attachment is over the size threshold specified in the Plug-in settings, MassTransit will take care of the attached files and a download link will be included in the email. To reconfigure the size threshold select the Setting button from the MassTransit toolbar and enter the desired size value.
- You can attach files using the Attach File button from the MassTransit toolbar. If you choose this method to attach files, all attachments will be processed by the MassTransit service no matter the size of each item.
- You can attach folders using the Outlook plug-in, to do so click on the Attach Folder button from the MassTransit toolbar and browse the desired folder.
- You can attach files by clicking on the default Outlook Attach File button or by using the drag and drop option.
All attachment items will be displayed in the message.
Please be informed, that the size value for attachments that are going to be sent via MassTransit does not correspond to the real size of the attachment, the displayed value is the size of the download generated from the MassTransit link.
3. When you have completed the message Send the email. After selecting the Send button you will be prompted to connect to the MassTransit server. Enter your MassTransit web client account username and password in order to establish connection.
You will be prompted to connect to the MassTransit Server the first time when sending files via the Outlook Plug-in. If you restart your Outlook application you will be asked to login again.
After sending, the e-mail will remain in the Drafts folder until all attachments are uploaded to the MassTransit sever.
MassTransit Outlook Plug-in users can send files or folders to any valid email address. If the recipient email address does not belong to an existing contact on the MassTransit server, an account with that address will be automatically created. After sending the message, the attached files and folders will be sent to the MassTransit server. MassTransit will generate a link and include it in the outgoing message.
Depending on the MassTransit server configurations additional two emails can be sent to the recipient:
After MassTransit creates a new account, an email action may be configured to send a welcome email to the recipient contact's email address.
- The "welcome email" from MassTransit contains information about the created account and an automatic login link. In order to complete setting up the account, the user must create a permanent password.
- A "notification email" may be sent from MassTransit, containing information about the available for download files and a link. By clicking on the link the recipient will be redirected to the MassTransit download files web page. The recipient would be allowed to download the available files without login in to the MassTransit Web page.


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Welcome to the USATF Colorado Masters T&F Pages
Please take a look at all of our materials and return from time to time to view updated information.
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*****2017 Rocky Mtn. Masters & MID AMERICA MASTERS T&F CHAMPIONSHIP NEWS*****
**Our historic host site for the masters championship held each August is under construction and we will not have access to that venue this year. The masters committee and board are dilligently searching for an alternate location. Please check back often and stay tuned for updated information regarding this meet.**
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Colorado athletes earned numerous medals at the national masters championship meet in Grand Rapids, MI, Jul 14-17:
Sharon Raham - Gold medals - Hammer Throw & Weight Throw; Silver - Javelin, Discus, Shot Put, Long Jump, & High Jump; Bronze - Triple Jump; W 70-74
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Steve Gettel - Bronze - Shot Put; M55-59
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The USATF Masters Committee announced selections of Athletes of the Year for 2015, and Colorado brought home two winners: Jerry Donley in the Men's 80+ category, and Christel Donley in the Women's 80+ category. This is the first time a husband & wife have won the honors in the same year. During the year, Jerry competd in 5 different events and won a silver medal in the Masters World Championships; Christel set 2 world and 6 American records, and earned 3 gold, 2 silver, and 1 bronze medal at the world competition.
2015 Mid-America Region & Colorado Assn Masters & Open Outdoor Championships
Great competiton at this meet Aug 29 & 30, 2015 resulted in 45 Mid-America and 38 Rocky Mountain Masters Games records being broken. Results and updated records ae posted below.
2015 WMA World Masters Championships, Lyons, FR
Colorado Medalists:
Marianne Martino (65-69) 2nd - 5K RW, 10K RW, & 20K RW; team silver & gold, (American Record)
Michael Blanchard (50-54) 20K RW team silver
Rita Sinkovec (75-79) 2nd 10K RW; team silver
Jerry Donley (85-89) 2nd PV
Christel Donley (80-84) - 1st HJ (American record); 2nd Hep, TJ; 3rd Javelin; 1st 4x100 and 4x400 relay (World Records)
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O2 sensor bung placement/ manifold choice
Hi Guys:
I am putting a 454 in an 88 chevy k1500 pickup. The present engine is a 350. The doner vehicle is a 1987 R30 one ton chevy truck. I am going to use standard headers with 2 cats and siamesed duels and retain the 1987 TBI fuel injection. My question is which is better for O2 placement, on a single tube on the left header like I have seen some headers with the bung welded on from the factory, or lower on the collector? Also, does anybody know if you can use a 4 bbl aftermarket manifold under the 454 throttle body? The throttle body has 2 big barrels but under the main body there is an adapter (stock) that opens into a standard Q-jet spread bore pattern. I have to retain EGR to cut down on ping (this setup has no knock sensor) and keep the check engine light off. I know Edelbrock makes a manifold for this setup but its a little pricey ($250). i was hoping to find a used manifold for under a $100. Any help would be app.
As close to the exhaust port as possible is what the manufacturers of the Sensors (Bosch etc.) will tell you, that being said you have to decide if you want the sensor in one exhaust port stream or all of one bank at the collector. Some people place the sensor directly in the exhaust stream just slightly downstream of the port in the leanest cylinder, this will take some experimentation to find out which cylinder is the leanest.
A collector location means the sensor take longer to warm up and in extremely cold climates (like Canada) you may need to insulate it and the header to get accurate results. A shorty header makes this a non issue, mount it in the collector...it will be close enough.
She may not look like much, but she's got it where it counts, kid. I've made a lot of special modifications myself.
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O2 senser
Where are the sensers located on the stock exhaust manifolds?
I would attempt to locate the O2 senser as close to the stock location.
If the bung is 2 inches from the exhaust port of # 4 cylinder, then that is where I would drill the hole for the bung.
If its 18 inches from the exhaust flange, thats where I would go. Get the idea?
From what I have been told over the years, #1 and 8 cylinders tend to run leaner than the rest, on Chevy engines.
Idealy you would run the oxygen sensor from the center of the x piping to get overall readings. Second to that I would set it in the collector so at least your getting readings for 1 bank. For warmup issues you can just run a heated oxygen sensor that uses a 12v power source to heat itself up.
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O2 senser
Other than placing the senser as close to the origional stock location as possible, what do the instructions say that came with the senser? Presuming this is not a Stock senser.
The stock oxygen sensor was located on the back of the left manifold a few inches above the manifold/pipe connection. So it saw (or smelled?) all four cylinders on that side. I do not have an aftermarket sensor with directions. I planed to use the stock sensor. The question is which is better? Test one cylinder at a hotter tempature or all four farther away from the head which would run cooler. The use of a heated O2 would help with the lower bung connection. Maybe I should weld 2 bungs in while its still apart so I can try it both ways if necessary? What do you guys think?
A heated sensor will not solve a cold location, it only assists with the warmup.
Go to Bosch for more information.
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http://www.msdignition.com/fuel_12.htm :Scroll down to the oxygen sensor.
While it does assist with warmup it also helps control the heat of the sensor keeping it within operating temperatures.
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I am thinking if you were to use center dump shorty headers, if they will fit your vehicle, to put the O2 sensor at the top of the collector would be about as close as you could get to the stock location, comparatively. At least there it could sence all 4 cylinders fairly equally.
Another option and probably the least desireable is to run the stock exhaust manifolds.
Summit has the center dump shorty headers for the BBC, Hookers, part # HOK-2180, for the painted version.
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You have to put it close enough to stay warm, but it does not have to be that close to the engine. Just find a place in the collector to the headers and you will be fine. The sensor does not have to be that hot to operate. There is no need to put it in a single tube of the header. The temp is not that much different there than in the collector. I would be willing to bet that it would be just fine in a properly placed X or H pipe, but could possibly give you some problem at idle placed there if it is not a heated sensor.
Hi Guys:
The headers I had would not fit because they were for a 1987 chevy truck (454) and i am installing that engine in a 1988 k1500. I bought a set of hookers off ebay new for $125 and they have a bung already installed in #7 tube down low almost to the collector. I figure hooker knows the best place to put the bung as they could have put it anywhere but chose that position. THANKS FOR EVERYONES INPUT!
You may have to wrap your headers to keep the check light off.
I put Edelbrock tubular manifolds on my 94 K1500 350. After runing down the highway, when I'd slow down to turn a corner, the headers would cool off, and trip the light. Around the corner, and back on it, the light would go out.
Just use a heated sensor if your worried about that. I wouldn't wrap any part of my exhaust if I could help it. The moisture that builds up between the wrap and the exhaust slowly begins to rust the metal.
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Nissan is teaming up with Swiss power company ABB to create an EV battery that can be reused outside of cars. According to a recent article on CNET.com, the battery is, "workable for many [other] energy storage applications, such as home batteries or buffering the distribution grid." Along with improving the environment, the project hopes to create an incentive for auto customers who are thinking about purchasing an electric car. Owners will be able to resell their cars' battery, which drops to 70 percent capacity after about ten years. The financial return could be lucrative for auto owners because car batteries — usually worth a few thousand dollars — are the most expensive part of an electric car.
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I finally took it to the shop where they set the timing wrong!!! When I showed them it was set wrong they still charged me $360.00. Now I halve to pay Subaru $2,500.00 for new valves when all I wanted was a compression test? And it gets worse!!!
My timing was dead on!!! The mechanic told me the timing belt was off because the crank pulley should be set to the arrow not the notch throwing my timing out by 45 degrees to the left and the left-hand intake camshaft sprocket wouldn't turn!!! They said they didn't try to turn it over thank god or so they say? Still I was already sure that #2 valve was bent because it kept fouling plug #2. The arrow points right the notch centers putting my perrin gear logo strait up I just hope he didn't bend the cylinder head? At this point i'm looking at $2500.00 for all new valves, $300.00 to tow it, and with all the new parts i'v invested in it I wonder if I should keep it and just halve the work done?
1,64.000mi on it, no rust, new turbo, all perrin hoses, new intake, and itercooler gaskets, new radiator, MAF, new fuel line & fuel filter light weight perrin crank pulley, new belts, water pump, new hoses, all the belt pulleys, tentioner, belt, new belt guid, plugs, tires, air filter, head lights, custom exost tips, turbo timer, pro tuned, metal heat shielding on exost, new paint, fog lights, custom paint-heat paint in engine, custom mesh grills, custom turbo fan w/switch for a/o driving or siting in traffic the list goes on!!! So at this point i just don't know? So much time & $$$ invested on high millage car!!! Any feedback would be greatly appreciated... thanks.
I went by the shop today I looked at his diagrams and can't figure out how he could misread it. I rotated the crank pulley to the rite mark, when I went to turn camshaft sprocket it was grinding without any force. It made a new nois toward the back of the engine this didn't happen before they got it, they turned fine I also got codes PO102 & PO113 how would these codes come up if they didn't try to start it? Now I really think it's ****ed and will now have to fight with this shop over the damage and $$$ Anyone have experience with any of this?


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"Typical" Hours in a Rebuild?
Hi guys
I'm needing some reassurance, and hoped you guys could share some of your knowledge and experiences?
Here's the story.....
I was on the phone to the body-shop yesterday, and they told me there's about eight weeks work left before they're finished
Their job is to carry out all the body and chassis work and get them into paint. I will be doing the assembly work myself
Later on I got talking to a friend about the progress. He told me he'd heard a high-end full rebuild could take about 1,000 hours and that a full rebuild on a custom could take almost 2,000 hours
This got me wondering how many hours have gone into my car
So, after doing a bit of maths I've worked out my body-shop are probably going to end up charging me for 720 hours of work. They've already charged me for 400 hours
This is not a full rebuild, it's just the body and chassis
Now, based on my friends comments of how long a full rebuild should take I'm wondering if I'm being taken advantage of?
I've spoken to the guys on the Triumph forum and they say I'm being charged way too much for body and chassis work
The body had been blasted previously, and had zero rot. The doors, floor pans, rear wings, and rockers had already been fitted when they received the body. No repair panels have had to be fabricated, just straight forward panel replacement
I do understand there's time to be spent in gapping and straightening everything
What does everyone think?
I can't change what's done, but need reassuring about the remaining work and how many hours are involved
How long could a typical body and chassis rebuild take, and how much work should I expect to have remaining?
The body is currently in primer ready for blocking. Is that eight weeks (320 hours) work?
Any experiences and advice you can share are all greatly appreciated
I'll upload a few pictures when I get to my computer
Thank you to everyone that takes time to read and respond
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wow thats a tough question.. condition comes into play. more/less body work equals more/less time involved. the shop working on it now is the only one that can give a time line. for if u don't see whats needed u can't make a guess on repair time. u would have needed to take it to a few shops for estimates to get an avg time table. and don't forget the skill of the tech's doing the work comes into play too..
weekly progress report ?
I have a friend that does custom work. Some of the projects he has done are featured in Tex Smith's books. He always takes a lot of picts weekly showing what he has done. and bills the customer every week. You see the progress and know you aren't getting scammed at the end when the final bill is sent. He is protected if someone loses a job and decides to not to finish a project if he was half way thru and not paid and have to Lein and impound a half finished car.
Your question has no answer.
I deal with restoration shops every day on the phone and may talk to 10-30 a day for tech questions and the story is about the same when you get to hours.
A 48 Cadillac may run into 1000s+++ of hours, a 67- 69 Firebird or Camaro for one shop we have that this is all they do, can do a frame off in 300-400 hours but they send engine and trans out.
A normal restoration shop doing the same thing may be 500-700 hours depending how car is done.
So much depends on how car is done, did they block the car four times or once with a finer block?
I can do a frame off of a C-1, C-2 or C3 corvette in about 350 hours, not counting engine and trans work but I have owned around 70 some so I know every nut and bolt, same with a 60s GTO, now give me a 78 Trans am, that I have never done and those hours would easily double if not triple.
Hell it took me four hours to get front headlights out of a Lexus a few year ago and broke one doing it!
Most shops from what I hear, I would say average hours for restoration will be min 500 and average 800 hours for most easy type cars.
Two of the pebble beach cars one shop did, the one had 3000 hours and the other was around 2500 hours.
The one riddler car a friend of mine did a few years ago they had in the area of 5000 hours and they had gotten to the point, they stop keeping track for billing, as more concerned with winning and they did. It put them out of business.
I think you can see why there is no answer.
first of all it is a little to late to worry about this now , you are more then 1/2 way already.700 or so hours seems to be right in the ballpark. have you checked on the work every week or so?
Alot of things come into play on this.. The builder finding things as he goes that the owner don't see..Just one bolt can cause a pain in the ***** sometimes... The smallest things can be the hardest sometime..
For the OP and for anyone that is reading this thread. When you bring a car into a shop for restoration work, body work or paint work. Discuss with the management of the shop what your budget is, what you expect the vehicle to look like when it's done and how often you want to be updated. I document every hour, every day...it takes me about 15 minutes during or at the end of the day, my customers are informed weekly and welcome to come in and witness the progress (I've had to draw a line in the sand on that one though, a shop can turn into a hang out quickly).
Getting a hard and firm estimate in the beginning is difficult and when I've been asked, I ask the customer, "how long is the string in my pocket", they answer "I don't know" and neither do I. There are so many variables and as Barry said, it can depend on how experienced they are with the car your trying to restore.
You won't get a definitive answer on any forum, it's impossible for us to judge, you may get opinions but no one here or any other forum is doing the work on the car. There must be a reason that you chose this particular shop, a reference, seen the work they put out whatever. I've seen what your experiencing many many times and the only solace I can give you is that often during a restoration it seems as though not much is happening, I've had customers that don't understand why I put product on and take it off several times and get concerned about the material costs. Think of a restoration like Christmas dinner...it can take several days to prepare...it only takes a few minutes to eat it...and a few hours to clean up. Body work can take time to get it right, it only takes a few hours to paint it and depending on the finish and size of the painted area, 30 to 40 hours to clean it up by color sanding and polishing.
Just a nice paint job, no chassis work, just a nice paint job with all the body work on my friends 1970 ElCamino, I had almost 200 hours in it. I certainly wasn't ripping him off, so that can give you an idea. But all the body work, I did replace the roof skin. But the rest was pretty nice. Removing all the trim, painting it and reinstalling all the trim, bumpers and stuff.
Just ONE thing like some rust in the lower quarters could have doubled that in a snap! It really depends so much on each cars condition.
A little diddy I wrote on the subject years ago. PLEASE don't take offense to this if you do this stuff for a living. It's a little jaded being I was a paint rep when I wrote it and I was visiting shops every single day all over the state of California, had been in HUNDREDS of shops at this point and believe me there were patterns. Not everything in this little article is carved in stone, not by any means. They are generalizations I witnessed in these patterns that I saw every day. I am NOT saying everybody works this way! Please don't take offense to it.
Confessions of a body shop owner.
By Brian Martin
"Anybody know of a good body shop in (enter your city name here)?", "How do I get my body shop to work on my car?", "My car is being held for ransom!", or just simply "Body shop Blues". I'm sure you have all seen topics similar to these posted. Gentlemen, my name is MARTINSR and I was one of those dirty rotten bastards that would keep your car ten times longer than I promised.
For the guy not doing his own body work or at least not all of it, he is at the mercy of the body shop. It is not a nice position to be in. In fact, it can go down as one of the low points in your life. I have seen horror stories that would make your hair stand on end. A long time customer of mine (he owned about 60 cars and usually had a few in shops around the area at all times) had a car that was held as evidence in a murder. Yep, it had blood splattered on it when one of the shops owners killed the other with a baseball bat!
The following is my generalization of restoration shops that I have owned, seen or worked at. There are exceptions to the rule. Please don't beat me up if I have rolled your shop into the mix when you are an exception. But, if you do see yourself, I suggest you get down to your neighborhood junior college and take a course or two in business. One of the great myths is that we each think our business is so unique, we can't learn from a "regular" business class. Well after much instruction and exposure to the business side of things I can tell you, business is BUSINESS. Whether you are running a liqueur store, a cat house, or a body shop, they are all exactly the same. Sales are SALES, period.
So, we can agree a body shop is a business, being a good body man does not make you a good businessman. Restoration shops are usually owned by good body men, not good businessmen. It is very hard to make money doing restoration work, it is very easy to make money doing regular collision work. The business man makes his money doing collision work and tells all the customers with restoration work to go to Joe's Body shop down the street, he does the restorations. Joe loves doing what he is doing, but seldom makes much money. He is an artist, a true master at his craft. Joe sees things at what they can "become", not what they "are". When Joe sees a car he doesn't see the time it will take to make it the show winner he knows it will be, he only sees it as the show winner. I really don't believe he means to lie to you when he says it will be done in a month, he is looking at through rose colored glasses, his vision is altered. Like a woman forgets the pain of giving birth, so does Joe when he gazes upon the beautiful car he has carried for nine months (or longer). And when the next rust bucket rolls in, he has forgotten about the hundreds of hours needed, he only sees a luscious rose garden.
Like I said few make a living at restoration or hot rod work. The biggies that you have heard of like Roy Brizio or Boyd Codington all make money with other ventures, not the rod shop. The first time I visited Brizios shop this was very apparent. The rod shop is about 5000 square feet sitting in the middle of a 50,000 square foot building. The rest of the building is Brizios manufacturing business. It is all non auto related by the way. The rod shop is a hobby, I don't doubt for a second he makes money, but it is a hobby none the less.
So when you go looking for a shop to do your car you have to remember this, you are most likely going to be dealing with an artist. If you think the business end of it is going to go smooth, think again. If you build yourself up and believe everything, you are in for a BIG let down. If you set yourself up for less than that you will be much better off. I suggest getting ready for MUCH, MUCH less and then you will be happy when it only takes five months instead of the ten you got ready for. If he said one month and that is what you are planning, by the time five months rolls around you are ready to kill someone.
These are HUGE generalizations but I have found a few signs that may help you in picking out a shop. If nothing else they will help you understand who you are dealing with.
1. If there is more than one car sitting in the shop covered with dust, this may be a bad sign. If you have been around body shops much you know that dust build up is like the rings in a tree, you can tell by the layers and colors how many YEARS it has been sitting. If there is a car that is being used for storage of misc. boxes and things, bad sign. My brother used to joke that I should bolt a vice on the fender of the car, at least I could get some use out of it! Coyly ask "Cool car, is that yours?" if he says "Naw, it's a customers", BAD SIGN. If there are ten stalls in the shop and six have dust covered cars in them, RUN. I shouldn't have to tell you this one, but if there are guys hanging around with beers in their hands, RUN.
2. How many stalls does he have? I have found that the real restoration/rod shops seem to have only room to have three or four cars at a time. If you only had room to work on three cars, you are going to be damn certain they get out so you can have room for the next. One of the most successful custom shops I have ever seen was a little four stall shop in Pittsburgh California. It is the famous (well at least on the west coast) DeRosa and son Customs. Frank has been around since the fifties making show winning cars. He and his son Frank Jr. do the same today and do it FAST. They a neat, little and clean shop. If you have seen the 2001 DuPont calendar they did the "Cadster". It was only in the shop for a few weeks. By the way, it doesn't have DuPont primers on it like the calendar says, Martin Senour primer was used.
3. Does he look at your car like they do at the McPaint shops, you know, all jobs all colors the same price? If he doesn't take a good long look at the car taking notes, he has no clue what he is doing. He is looking at the car with those rose colored glasses. Every single panel should be examined and noted for the amount of hours needed. If he just looks over the car without doing this he is surely going to be WAY off. If he is way off on how much he is charging you, what incentive does he have to work on it?
So let's say you have a shop you would like to bring it to, you really need to case the joint. Turn into a stalker and keep an eye on the shop. You know for months that you are going to need a body shop. Watch the shops for months. Drive by during business hours and see if they are actually open. Many of these guys (remember they are not good businessmen) take their open sign as sort of a guide line. If it says 8:00 to 5:00 it is more like 9:15 to 2:00 then 4:25 to 7:00, they can't get your car done like that. See if any cars leave. If you go by there and see the same cars sitting there and many little jobs going in and out, BAD SIGN. I have to tell you, those little money making collision jobs are dang hard to turn away. If I had a million hour job sitting there and it was the 28th of the month I am going to set it aside for the $800.00 job I can do in two days to pay the rent.
If they don't allow you to walk around and check the place out, be wary. Look at the paint dept, does he have a booth? Is there junk and open cans all over? Is there many different brands of paint? This is usually not a good sign, he buys anything he can get his hands on. This is many times the sign of a "junior chemist", they guy that mixes products and doesn't follow tech sheets.
If you have decided that this is the shop you want to go to, help the poor guy. You "suggest" to him how you want to go about the money part. This is the ONLY way you should do it believe me. Don't give him a deposit and leave the car. This is darn near a guarantee that your car will be sitting for weeks while he uses that money to buy parts for a high profit collision job or simply pay a long standing bill. Which then leaves your car sitting there with no incentive to work on it.
Here is what you need to do. Tell him that you want to do only ONE of the things on your car, at a time. You want to get a price for all of them maybe so you know what it is headed, but do only one at a time. You will pay him for one step at a time. Not because you don't trust him, but because YOU are bad with money and that YOU don't want to leave him hanging after the car is done with no money to pick it up.
This way it is more like he is in control and made the decision. Then you negotiate the time it will take for each step. Let's say you have patch panels to do on the front fenders. You agree that he will have them done at the end of the week, and that they will cost $200.00. He has something to work for, he knows he will get the money and he actually does it. You go see him on Friday see the work done and give him the $200.00. Then you pick another thing to do. Just as if you were doing these things at home, break them down into bite sized pieces so he can swallow them. If you go in there and find that he hasn't done it or he has done poor work, you can then say "I am sorry to yank your chain, I don't have any more money, I just lost my job" and take the car, no body owes a thing. If he does not want to do this, you really need to start rethinking your choice of a shop. Either this or variation of this should be fine with him. If it is not, something is wrong.
If he really wanted to make money he would be doing this. The first restoration job I ever did where I really felt I made money was done just this way. It was a little '58 Bug eye Sprite. I had decided that something had to be done or I would fall into the same trap as before with a car sitting forever. One of the first shops I ever worked at was a full on restoration shop. It broke the rule and was pretty big, with four full time employees. Every car had a time card assigned to it. When you worked on the car, you punched in. Then each month (these were HUGE frame off restorations on 30's and 40's vintage Fords) the owner would receive a bill with the times worked. If they couldn't pay, the car left, period. The guy made money and I finally got smart (after about 12 years in business) and followed his lead. I put a sign on this Bug Eye and would post the hours I spent on it. I told the guy to come by each week. Now, when the guy came in and saw only two hours were spent, he was not very happy. That was a heck of an incentive for me right there I will tell you that! It worked great, I actually got paid for every minute I worked, unlike most restoration projects. And he actually got the car back in close to what I said. It was still late, but not ten times as late as I had done before.
Another thing I highly recommend is to take plenty of photos of the car, really detailed photos. When you drop the car off leave him a copy of them. Letting him know you have a copy. Not threatening like "I am doing this so I can prove you lied to me" more like "I can't wait to see how different it is and you can have these before shots to show future customers". Which is true, it is just not the only reason you are doing it. If he is doing a full on restoration for you, I HIGHLY recommend parts like chrome and interior be taken home after he removes them so they don't get stolen or damaged. You need to have a very close relationship with the shop, if these visits make the guy edgy, you really need to find another shop.
If you have the attitude that you are genuinely interested in how this work is done, not how he will do YOUR car, but just in general. You will find that he will be much more likely to "show off" his talents than if you go in there like an untrusting customer.
Along with these photos you want a VERY detailed work order. Run like the wind if he has no work order. Still run if he has a work order that says "fix dents and rust" as the repairs being done. RUN, I say. You need to have a fully detailed work order, not for legal reasons (wink, wink) but for your own records to show the wife where all the money went. The "wife" is a great way to get things done. You need to come look to see what is done because the wife wants to see. Bring her in there, she has an excuse, she knows nothing right? So you bring her in to see what magic this guy is doing to your car so she can understand why it costs so much. Bring a friend when you drop the car off, be sure he hears everything that is said. Let him or her help you make the decision on leaving it there. Sometimes YOU too can be looking through rose colored glasses. If someone else says they have a bad feeling, LISTEN to them.
There are few things that can compare with returning to a shop to find the place is locked tight and the mail is piling up on the floor where the carrier has dropped it through the slot. I have seen it, it really happens. The good news is it is rare, just take your time and find a shop where you feel comfortable.
Last edited by MARTINSR; 06-19-2013 at 09:16 AM.
I just re-read this, and it hit me, I think I was talking about MYSELF being a poor businessman more than anyone else! LOL It's kind of a the speech you give on your first AA meeting.
Thanks to everyone that has taken time to reply to my question
As Barry said, it's almost unanswerable, and I kind if already knew that before asking, but I wanted reassuring that what they were saying was at least in the ball park
And from everyone's answers it seems like it could be
Brian, thanks for your message/story
Yes, you're right, there was certainly a reason I took my car to these guys
I think my 'situation' is down to bad business on their part as you suggested, but also due to me being a little naive
I've got a bit of a bad taste in my mouth right now about the time and cost, etc,
But I can see just how good the work they're doing is
They're certainly artists rather than businessmen, and I think I gave them too much freedom
I know my car will be done, and done to a good standard, and I've learned an expensive lesson should I take on another project in the future
Brian, I have saved your story, and will make sure I read it through again each time I go to send any other parts out to other shops
Thanks again to everyone
I may have written that years ago and like I said, it's kind of an inner reflection of myself. But there are plenty of guys like that. I have a co-worker dealing with one right now. This guy has a shop here in town and we have used him at the shop as a mobile mechanic, we have paid him a LOT of money over the years. He made a deal with my co-worker to assemble his 64 Impala chassis and rebuild the motor, get it in the chassis firing it up. I told my co-worker do NOT give him any money, he has a very bad reputation, do NOT give him any money, see some work first. My co-worker had all the chassis parts, control arms and what not, and the frame powder coated. So every thing is like new, assembly is all it needs. That was 5 years ago, FIVE years these parts have been in the guys shop with the frame up on a shelf like you see at Home Depot, those heavy duty shelves they have, the frame is on the top of one. The body is on a cart on the other side of the shop. Now mind you, this is a 1500 square foot shop tops, it's not very big. He has had this stuff along with a few other cars in the same fate for 5 years! My co-worker paid him something like $7500 cash up front and NOTHING, not one single bolt has been turned! The guy told him with his insistence this past January that it would be done June 21st. You guessed it, my co-worker went over there three days ago and it is UNTOUCHED. He went off on the guy and we think he may actually get to it. But I doubt it, he as given him to the end of the month to show serious progress or have it done. I don't think it will happen. You should see the Chevy pickup that is out side in the weather, and it has been for about 10 years! He has had two different shop locations with this BEAUTIFUL truck sitting out side. It's a 65ish fleetside short bed. It is totally disassembled with just the cab and fenders and bed on a frame. This sucker is show quality, I am not kidding you, it's painted two tone, and I mean NICE, FIRST CLASS work. The inside looks darn near as good as the outside. I have no idea what the story is, but that truck's beautiful new paint is now failed from being out side all these years.
Oh yeah, and my co-worker says it looks like some of his suspension pieces are missing!
We will see, we will see.
Ouch, man, that's tough!
I'm certainly not in a situation like that
The guys doing my body and chassis keep changing their timescales and deadlines, and the price is now three times more than we'd originally planned, but it's definitely getting done
I think I've been too trusting and things have spiralled due to them not being great businessmen
I wish I'd have been able to foresee and control this from the outset
I hope your friend gets all his parts back safely
Silly question. Did you say what kind of car... what color it is going into... and what year it is? That can be a clue as to the difficulty.
I do a wide range, but generally the older they are the more hours are needed. Cars from wet country are usually cancerous. Also something like an old truck can be the worst as they were all beaten badly by businesses, and now the owner wants a show vehicle.
The other side of the Coin
Shop owners have to deal with the Gold Chain Builders, " I " built this car, I had so and so do the chassis, someone else did the engine, this guy is going to do the paint, etc etc. My friend has a very good reputation and can afford to turn away customers. He had a guy call him about a car and bring it over to the Shop. His front door is locked so the Guy rings the bell, Chris stops what he is doing and unlocks the door and asks "can I help you." The guy said I am So and so. I called you about my car then imediately speed dials someone and makes a bunch of useless chatter. After about 20 seconds Chris yells get your *$#@* truck and trailer out of my driveway and don't come back. He teaches the street rod program at the College and said a lot of his students are artists and don't realize what it's like dealing with the big money customers.
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At first he complains that the Arab League is "literally forcing" Abbas into peace talks (oh how terrible!) and grumbles that it makes Netanyahu look good. But according to Mr. Kaufman this is really just a political trick to gain political points because Netanyahu really has no intention of making peace with the PA. Why?
"He told Spanish Foreign Minister Miguel Moratinos in Jerusalem last Wednesday that continuing the construction freeze in the West Bank after it expires on September 26 would be impossible politically and would bring down his coalition. That pretty much said how far the Israeli prime minister is willing to go for peace."It goes without saying that continuing to build settlements is a provocation on the part of Israel, but it also goes without saying that settlements are only as much of a barrier to peace as the Palestinians let them. I feel I should remind Mr. Kaufman that in the past the Israelis and the Palestinians freely negotiated while settlements continued to be built and it was never considered to be a problem.
Consider the alternative: Abbas comes to the table, they start negotiating, Israel's government collapses and the whole thing starts all over again. Is that really so much better?
"If this is indeed the case, Netanyahu can't continue the settlement freeze without toppling the government, then how can he even think of attempting to dismantle an illegal outpost deep in the heart of Samaria?"Hasty generalization. The illegal outposts are not more popular than the settlements in general. Not to mention the fact that Netanyahu's government has been dismantling the illegal settlements throughout the ceasefire and still manages to stay in power.
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"And if indeed they are destined to fail, I only have one thing to say: Let them fail.Remember, Mr. Kaufman does in fact live in Israel. So it would be him and his family are at risk from this "unfortunate" violence that he seems to want.
"And let them fail fast. The sooner the better.
"Let's allow Netanyahu to have his fun stalling for a bit, and then -- unfortunately -- let the violence begin. But let's just get it over and done with."
Mr. Kaufman's reasoning for this is because Netanyahu really doesn't ever want peace so the only way to get him to be pressured into the concessions that both sides need is for the negotiations to fall apart.
"Unfortunately, this is the only way to go. The only way for U.S. President Barack Obama to get to the next stage of true pressure, with worldwide support, is after he can show that all else has failed. That the path of negotiations has reached a dead end...Very interesting. Mr. Kaufman seems to be yet another HP blogger with the worldview that "this conflict exists because Israel won't give the Palestinians everything they want, although they very easily could."The entire conflict exists because Israel is just so darn mean and won't be nice to the poor, innocent Palestinians.
"So yes, let the negotiations begin immediately, and let us hope for their quick demise. Let's get to that point where Obama has to play hardball. Let's get to that crossroads where Obama will have to finally prove whether he has what it takes to make Israel deliver, or if he's merely another Clinton."
Kaufman is endorsing a course of action which will force Obama to pull up all the stops in order to force Israel to deliver...something. He doesn't appear to know exactly what. Maybe a settlement freeze? Oh wait we already have one. Maybe a permanent settlement freeze? What would Israel have to gain from that? And what happens if Obama can't make Israel give the Palestinians everything they want? Does Mr. Kaufman want more war rather than (gasp) the two sides compromise? I should certainly hope not!
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I've got a drip in my bathtub spout that's causing problems. I can fix the drip by installing a new washer, but its an old fixture, and I've had difficulty with the screw that holds the washer in place. Anyway, the issue is this. Water dripping out of the end of the spout runs along the bottom of the spout back to the tile, where it sometimes goes into the wall and causes lots of damage. I can't watch out for washer regularly because its in a rental property and i only visit periodically. the water is quite hard, so minerals do build up on the bottom lip, which could be causing the problem. How do i solve this? can i try to bend the connection pipe downward by applying pressure to the spout? Can i replace the spout wiht one having a longer opening? thoughts?
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A certain amount of smug satisfaction will attend tomorrow's draw for the quarter-finals and semi-finals of the Champions League in Switzerland, even more than would normally be associated with a formal Uefa event. For the first time in over a decade, and despite years of dire warnings and suspicions that the competition was being corrupted to suit the leading nations, the Champions League bears more than a passing resemblance to the old European Cup.
Six different nations are represented among the eight teams involved in the draw, the highest total since 1999, when the rules had only just been changed to allow runners-up from selected countries to take part and Manchester United managed to win the trophy as part of their treble success after finishing second to Arsenal in the Premier League the previous season.
Before the 1997-98 season there would only be one team per country in the Champions League, as there had been in the original European Cup, which was for the champions of each European league plus the previous year's winners. That automatically guaranteed that most years eight different countries would be represented in the quarter-finals, although once the present system was adopted, with England and other top leagues sending four teams into the tournament each year, the later stages inevitably became less representative of Europe as a whole.
For the past two seasons, for example, all four English clubs were still alive at this stage of the tournament, and legitimate fears were expressed about Premier League domination, even if Barcelona eventually beat Chelsea and Manchester United to win last year's prize. In the mid-90s either Spain or Italy usually had three quarter-finalists, and in the early part of this decade there were three consecutive seasons when it appeared everyone's worst fears had come to pass, with just four countries providing Europe's last eight. The same situation also applied last season, with Porto and Bayern Munich not sticking around for long enough to prevent the last four becoming a wholly Anglo-Spanish affair.
Six is much healthier, even if not perfect. Neither Porto nor Olimpiacos came especially close to surviving the first knockout stage this year, yet as their opponents were English and French, the two nations represented twice in the quarter-final draw, a perfect eight was at least theoretically possible.
Last year's finalists still appear to be the teams to beat, with Barcelona looking every bit as sharp in taking Stuttgart apart as Manchester United had been ruthless in exposing the inadequacies of an ageing Milan, yet after Tuesday's result at Stamford Bridge no one will imagine José Mourinho and Internazionale are in the last eight merely to make up the numbers. Mourinho did not go to Italy to save the country's football reputation but that is exactly what he has ended up doing, with even the most outspoken of his critics beginning to eat their words and regard him with something approaching reverence.
Lyon too are at the forefront of a genuine revival in French football and are in the last eight by virtue of disposing of Real Madrid. Of the six countries still represented, four have a real chance of at least reaching the final. Bayern Munich and CSKA Moscow appear at this stage to be outsiders, although the Russians in particular revel in the role of dangerous dark horses. No one will particularly fancy a trip to the Luzhniki Stadium, not even United, who have already been there and won this season.
So does Uefa deserve credit for having the European Cup's old ethos at heart all along, and masterminding a new version of the project that makes infinitely more money but still keeps most of Europe interested until the end, or is this season's happy denouement just a random accident? Probability favours the latter. Germany, for instance, owe their continued participation to that ludicrously offside goal that Tom Henning Ovrebo allowed to stand against Fiorentina. Moscow were somewhat lucky against Sevilla. Next year it could easily be back to two or three from Spain and/or Italy.
What does seem to be happening, however, whether by accident or otherwise, is that some famous old names are falling away. Liverpool, Chelsea, Juventus, Milan and Real Madrid are not quite what they were, or where they want to be. The idea that the Champions League exists to preserve the status quo and promote the interests of the same cartel of clubs each year is being challenged. Inter, and only Inter, carry Italy's hopes now, just as Barcelona alone are flying the flag for Spain. The days when the fourth-best team in England was better than the top team in Germany, France or Italy seem to have gone.
The panic about the Champions League being dominated by one country or several teams from the same league appears to have receded. It is almost as if (with enormous respect to Arsenal and Bordeaux, the perceived lesser lights from the two duplicated nations) the old idea that the main European prize should be competed for by the leading team each country can offer has returned of its own volition. Uefa will not be completely happy until smaller countries such as Portugal, Holland and Romania are back at the table too, although that particular pipe dream of Michel Platini's may never come to fruition under the present system. Yet whichever way the balls come out of the bag in Nyon, Uefa ought to be pleased. There seems no reason to dread another final between teams from the same country, and while Barcelona certainly look capable of becoming the first side to retain the trophy in the Champions League era, there are still teams from England, Italy and France who could give them a game.
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Data Showing Use of Tethys Bioscience, Inc.'s PreDx(R) Diabetes Risk Score Improves Medical Management and Outcomes in Patients at High Risk for Type 2 Diabetes Presented at International Meeting
EMERYVILLE, Calif.--April 7, 2011--Data were presented today showing that utilization of the PreDx® Diabetes Risk Score (DRS) to accurately assess a patient's risk of developing type 2 diabetes within five years results in more aggressive treatment and follow-up for diabetes prevention among patients whose test scores indicate high risk levels, as well as statistically significant improvements in their cardiometabolic risk factors, compared to patients with lower test scores and those not tested with PreDx DRS. The strong correlation among accurate risk assessment, risk reduction and improved medical outcomes suggests that utilization of PreDx DRS contributes to more careful diabetes risk monitoring and more effective preventive and therapeutic intervention than reliance upon traditional risk assessments.
The data were presented at the Fourth International Congress on Prediabetes and the Metabolic Syndrome, held in Madrid, Spain, in a presentation titled, "A Comparative Study of the Use of the Diabetes Risk Score (DRS) in Primary Care: How Are Medical Management and Patient Outcomes Affected?" authored by S. E. Conard, et al.
PreDx Diabetes Risk Score (DRS) is a multi-marker fasting blood test that assesses markers of inflammation, fat cell function, and glucose metabolism. The DRS categorizes individuals as low, moderate, or high risk for diabetes conversion within 5 years, and has been shown to be significantly more accurate than HbA1c or fasting glucose. Medical Edge Healthcare Group in Dallas, Texas, conducted the retrospective observational study using electronic medical records in order to evaluate the impact of PreDx DRS on clinical practice and patient care in a natural primary care practice setting.
"Today we face several challenges in diabetes prevention. Use of evidence-based interventions before disease diagnosis has been traditionally low, and with 79 million Americans already considered pre-diabetic, we have too many patients to treat effectively. This study provides strong evidence that PreDx DRS is not only a powerful risk assessment tool, but also an important prevention tool, enabling physicians to more effectively direct resources to patients with the greatest need for intervention, and motivating physicians and patients to employ preventive measures," said Mickey S. Urdea, PhD, chairman and chief executive officer of Tethys.
"Careful monitoring of risk factors is essential to patient behavioral change and effective medical management," said Scott Conard, MD, chief medical officer of Medical Edge. "PreDx DRS captures essential information about the physiology of our patients, and provides an easy-to-understand diabetes risk score which can contribute to enhanced monitoring of diabetes risk and the use of more appropriate preventive therapy for higher-risk individuals. The evidence showing that patients with high diabetes risk scores were more aggressively treated for risk factor control strongly suggests that these patients and physicians were more engaged in reducing risk factors when this test was applied."
About the Observational Study and Results
The Tethys sponsored study included data on 696 patients age 30 or older who received the PreDx DRS test between June and December 2010 with valid test results and no prior diagnosis of diabetes. A total of 35 physicians ordered the PreDx test for at least one patient during this period. A control un-tested group was randomly selected in a 3:1 ratio to DRS-tested patients to match gender and age distributions from those who had at least one measurement of LDL, blood pressure, and weight in the 18 months prior to the reference date, and had no record of visiting a physician known to be ordering PreDx DRS tests. Biometric, diagnosis, and prescription records of all selected patients were extracted for the 18 months prior to the reference date of October 1, 2010 and all dates afterwards (mean follow-up 4 months).
Biometric measures included blood pressure, LDL, HDL, weight, HbA1c, triglycerides, fasting glucose, and HbA1c. Per-patient means were computed for the periods before and after the reference date. Diagnoses examined were hypercholesterolemia and hypertension. Prescriptions for anti-hypertensives, lipid-lowering agents, anti-diabetic agents, and aspirin written after the reference date were compiled. Differences in intensity of care between controls, and low, moderate, and high scoring DRS patients were evaluated by subsequent risk factor monitoring rates, use of pharmacological agents, and improvement in risk-factor control. P-values were computed using a two-tailed chi-square test.
Results showed:
- Patients who received the PreDx DRS test were more likely to have follow-up monitoring of biometric risk factors by a physician relative to similar patients who did not receive the test, including measurements of lipid and glucose control (p<0.001).
- Patients with high PreDx DRS diabetes risk scores were more aggressively treated for risk factor control than those with lower PreDx scores or no test, including use of aspirin, antihypertensive agents, lipid lowering therapies and other agents (p<0.01)
- There was significant improvement of risk-factors in patients who received the PreDx test, including weight, blood pressure, and cholesterol measures (p<0.001).
A copy of the poster presented today is available from Tethys upon request.
About Type 2 Diabetes
Type 2 diabetes mellitus is a major public health epidemic. According to the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, diabetes affects nearly 26 million people in the United States or 8.3% of the population. Diabetes is the seventh leading cause of mortality in the US, a major cause of heart disease and stroke, and the leading cause of kidney failure, nontraumatic lower-limb amputations and new cases of blindness among adults in the US. The direct and indirect costs of diabetes in the U.S. exceeded $174 billion in 2007, including $58 billion in indirect costs (disability, work loss, premature mortality). Medical expenditures for people with diabetes are more than two times higher than for people without diabetes. Worldwide, in 2000, diabetes affected an estimated 171 million people and this figure is projected to rise to 366 million by 2030, propelled by increases in age, obesity, and urbanization of the world's population.
In 2005–2008, based on fasting glucose or A1c levels, 35% of US adults aged 20 years or older had prediabetes (50% of those aged 65 years or older), In 2010, it is estimated that 79 million Americans aged 20 years or older had prediabetes. The Diabetes Prevention Program (DPP), a large prevention study of people at high risk for diabetes, showed that lifestyle intervention to lose weight and increase physical activity reduced the development of type 2 diabetes by 58% during a 3-year period. The reduction was even greater, 71%, among adults aged 60 years or older.
About PreDx® Diabetes Risk Score
The PreDx Diabetes Risk Score (DRS) provides enhanced risk stratification through the measurement of multiple biomarkers linked to pathways of diabetes progression. PreDx DRS was developed using a unique approach to quantifying biomarkers suspected of playing roles in diabetes development. Tethys methodology enabled evaluation of many biomarkers utilizing very small amounts of blood from select and well-characterized large study cohorts with known diabetes outcomes. The company then determined the combination of these biomarkers with an algorithm that best identified an individual's risk of developing type 2 diabetes within five years. PreDx DRS has been validated by the Tethys Clinical Laboratory (TCL) in several large populations. The test uses standard immunoassay and clinical chemistry formats, sample collection and shipment methods. Currently performed exclusively by the CLIA-certified TCL, the test generates a Diabetes Risk Score between 1 and 10 that corresponds to an absolute percentage risk of developing disease within five years. For more information about PreDx DRS, please visit www.predxdiabetes.com.
About Tethys
Tethys is a cardiometabolic diagnostics company that creates and commercializes breakthrough biomarker-based blood tests that predict imminent disease risk and enable targeted intervention to preempt the onset of chronic conditions such as type 2 diabetes. Tethys introduced its first product -- PreDx® Diabetes Risk Score -- to the market in 2008, and initiated sales in 2009. The Tethys PreDx DRS platform includes products in development to determine risk for first-time heart attack, osteoporotic fracture and other cardiometabolic diseases with the goal of improving health outcomes and reducing the devastating economic impact that debilitating, preventable diseases have on individuals and society. For more information about Tethys and PreDx DRS, please visit www.tethysbio.com.


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i went to my local microcenter and i asked for an arduino. first it was $13 more expensive two they didn't know what an arduino was. i didn't buy it there and order one from an internet store near my house and went to pick it up
Saddly you can't bitbang these easy.
if you are confortable with soldering you can try get a avr programer such as the USBtinyISP from Adafruit or get one from sparkfun such as the STK500 USB Programmer and use the arduino IDE to reprogram Bootloader
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Warm natural texture and stylish storage for any room. Our Piper Woven Urn Basket is meticulously hand woven of natural rattan in a tight, strong weave to hold its classic shape and comes with a matching lid. Piper Woven Urn Basket features: * Coordinates with our Piper Woven Collection* Organic accent * Ideal laundry hamper
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Rattan Step Basket
Designed to rest at the bottom of your stairs, so you can fill it with things that really belong upstairs. Small organizer basket inside has three compartments and lifts out. Larger step-shaped basket has one deep well for taller items. Cut-out handles make both easy to carry. This step basket is hand woven of natural rattan over sturdy metal frames.
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Our Woven Baskets are a stylish solution to your storage needs. Made of woven natural fibers around wire frames, these baskets are sturdy enough to hold a variety of treasures and provide the perfect fit for a wide range of storage needs.Woven Baskets Features:* Natural woven fibers* Sturdy wire frames
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Tiered Wire Basket
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leaf gutter guards which do you think?????
I was wanting to know as i am tired of cleaning leaves out of them. What is the best kind in your estimation .i can install about anything. what would you use???:( thank you bob s
I just installed gutter guards (the ones Holmes endorses, I got mine at Lo..es) Anyway, I chose to install them because I'm afraid of climbing on the roof and moving the ladder every 2feet to clean out the eaves. So far, they're great. The leaves just slip right off, but I suppose you need someone whose had them installed for a few seasons to give a more solid opinion
I guess i'm kinda on the fence with most of them, and just need somebody push me off the fence, to decide what i need.I was thinking the screens would stop all the big leaves -but the small particles, which we have a ton more of would /or might, plug up in just s short time.anyone else and thank you creeper bob s
I was just up on a house with tall oak trees all around---climbing the roof was like death--leaves everywhere.
The gutter had guards of some type and were clean as a whistle----that sold me on them.
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Was it some type of screen material , were they smooth , slotted etc. Do you remember???:( and thanks oh mike
They are made of aluminium and they have small holes. Even small leaves will slip past, as will maple keys. Not so sure about pine needles though. I think you can google them.
The correct product will depend on your specific conditions.
I installed 300' feet of this type http://www.lowes.com/ProductDisplay?...llow&cId=PDIO1
last fall and have had 0 issues. They installed easily, the side that slides under the shingle needed notched for an occasional nail. The side that snaps onto the gutter did so securely with no additional fasteners. I bought 2 cases of 50 online for $68 a case very economical.
Something else I did when e replaced gutters I went to the larger 3x5 downspout (2 on an 80' run) and man they move some water and debris.
.............and a lot cheaper than Gutter Helmet which can run between $2500 - $4000 for an average sized home.
relatively inexpensive
www.smartscreenusa.com These are the ones I meant the Holmes uses. So you've got lots of choices now. Where we are the leaves are 90% down
We have Leaf Relief on our second story gutters which I can't easily reach and they are doing great. They are a bit pricy but they were an afterthought when we were having our roof and gutters redone and they were what the contractor installed.
Since the gutters were new I did not want to install a vinyl product that would not last as long as the gutters themselves. Also, I'm skeptical of filter-style leaf guards. Filters are going to clog over time...that is sort of the definition of a filter.
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Addition on slab
My wife and I are looking at building an addition onto our home. To make things simple, we were thinking about enclosing our carport (550 sq ft) which already consists of a concrete slab and full/attached roof. With the slab and roof in place already, to my inexperienced eye, it seems that all I need to do is frame the walls, run electricity, drywall, etc. Not that that is any small list of tasks! But I'm hoping that I can reduce the costs considerably by using what is already there.
My question is, do I save anything with the slab/roof already there? The obvious answer on the roof is "yes", but I'm afraid that I may have to build up on the slab anyway. How much time/$$ do you think I can save by going this route? (I live in southern Indiana.)
I do not know if this is your case?
The simple answer is that you can save a reasonable amount. However, you'll need to do some additional research. First off, you'll need to dig around the edges to see how thick your slab is, whether or not it will serve as suitable footing. Secondly, the carport roof/ceiling is probably not insulated, so you will need to do that as you close it in. If you can build on the slab, using it as the floor, and simply insulate the ceiling, you could probably cut your cost by 30 to 40% I would think.
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