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Friday, May 22, 2009
This Week in Publishing 5/22/09
First of all, I hope everyone remembers that This Week in Publishing is but a pale imitation of author Cynthia Leitich Smith's comprehensive weekly Cynsational News and Giveaways, which rounds up all of the best news and promos all in one place. It's a weekly must-read.
Andrew Sullivan recently summarized two different anguished posts about the effect piracy is going to have one the future books. In order to enjoy my weekend I will stop thinking about piracy now. Okay now. Now.
Over at Bookpage comes word about Stephen King's new book UNDER THE DOME, a 1,136 page epic novel about a town that is suddenly surrounded by an invisible force field and things start to go crazy. Anyone who has spent a day in 100+ degree weather in New York City probably knows what this feels like.
The Guardian recently featured the opposite of the "end of publishing as we know it" article: the less common but still enjoyable "things have always been this crappy" take on the book business. And actually, they have the audacity to suggest that some things might be less crappy now than before.
Janet Reid ponders what I've been pondering, which is that we agent bloggers may have terrified the wrong group of writers. It's the age-old blogging agent conundrum: we want to reach the truly clueless, but the truly clueless don't read agent blogs. If an agent screams in a forest about rhetorical questions, does he make a sound?
Kristin Nelson has some really terrific advice if you're going to name-drop someone in a query: remind us who that person is. Our brains are full.
In agent pushback news, Jennifer Jackson took up one of my personal sticking points, and reminds authors to remember the difference between what is wanted and what is owed.
Via reader Tomas Mournian comes a really great post by author Joshua Mohr about his path to publication with big agents and a small press. He gets at some of the essential truths about the business: luck is huge, and rather than knowing everything, agents and editors are just making the best guesses they can.
Neil Vogler pointed me to an article in the Bookseller that provides the very interesting news that in 2008 the number of self-published books exceeded the number of traditionally published books for the first time. Wow.
And finally, I'm sure that I'm the absolute last person to know about this in the universe since even the New York Times wrote about it a couple years ago, but reader John Ochwat took pity on me and pointed me to the review page of a gallon of Tuscan Whole Milk, which has the best and most hilarious review thread on the Internet. Enjoy. If you haven't already.
Have a great (long) weekend!
117 comments:
- csmith said...
Thanks Nathan, enjoy your weekend too.
- May 22, 2009 at 12:09 PM
- Kristin Tubb said...
*rushes off to stockpile Tuscan Whole Milk, one gallon, 128 fl oz*
- May 22, 2009 at 12:11 PM
- Barb said...
Assuming that you have seen the Three Wolf T-shirt? But for those that haven't:
- May 22, 2009 at 12:17 PM
- Justus M. Bowman said...
Many links, you make me click. Curse your telekinesis.
- May 22, 2009 at 12:25 PM
- Tales From A Small Island said...
The Amazon review links have made my week - thanks for posting and have a great weekend!
- May 22, 2009 at 12:30 PM
- Stephen Elliott said...
Hey Curtis,
I'd love to talk to you about running some of your stuff on The Rumpus.
Stephen Elliott
- May 22, 2009 at 12:51 PM
- Loren Eaton said...
Yes, Nathan, Tuscan Whole Milk (one gallon, 128 fl oz) is great, but what about Amazon's nifty uranium ore?
- May 22, 2009 at 12:56 PM
- Kimber An said...
The article about terrifying the wrong group of writers is especially true. Almost all the blog readers are here to learn and are in the midst of growing as writers. They might not know everything, but if you come after them with a hammer you may never get a query on what might be a bestseller which could make your career. I suggest putting away the hammers and put the clueless out of your minds. Focus on those of us who really want to learn and please remember we're all at different stages and doing our bestest.
- May 22, 2009 at 1:01 PM
- RW said...
I'm glad you included that J. Mohr essay. I saw that yesterday and was hoping to have a chance to ask you about it.
It's not like I would want my agent steering me to a deal that would mean fewer sales and fewer readers, but as Mohr points out, a small press doesn't necessarily mean "settling." And a deal with a big publisher can still result in low sales and no second book, etc.
So I'm very intrigued by the possibility of a small press--Soft Skull is another one I keep an eye on. And I wonder how much agents are interested in considering those options for their clients. Are agents disinclined to look there because it's not cost-effective for them?
I wonder about this because of all the horror stories I hear about agents who sign a client, pitch the book to ten big publishers, get 10 attaboy-rejections and then fire the client, apparently without ever considering smaller presses like Mohr's second agent did. Are these agents just churning through clients playing the percentages to land a deal with a larger press? Do they not have contacts with smaller presses? Do they not really know of all the options that would be best for their clients? Or do they not bother because it wouldn't be a profitable use of their limited time?
- May 22, 2009 at 1:14 PM
- Scott said...
Cheers, Nathan. Lots of stuff and just when I needed a distraction.
And I may be the only one in the universe, but I really think Steven King has worn out the "town in Maine" thing. As contrary as it might first appear considering what a large book it is, he's been coming off really lazy and indulgent in the last decade or so.
Oh, and he kinda stole an idea of mine. I'll sue!
- May 22, 2009 at 1:18 PM
- Laura Martone said...
Thanks for the links, Nathan. The query-related ones were especially helpful... and yet my brain feels even more swollen than yesterday. ;-)
- May 22, 2009 at 1:18 PM
- Nathan Bransford said...
Interesting questions, and it's something that varies from agent to agent and author to author. As THE TIME TRAVELER'S WIFE (MacAdam/Cage) and PRIDE AND PREJUDICE AND ZOMBIES (Quirk) have shown, among many others, a motivated small press can not only publish a book well, they can get major attention for the right project.
I personally am willing to submit to as many places as the author is willing to submit to and will go the distance. But especially for agents who already have a huge roster of clients, the economics can be tough to square. Keep in mind that a $1,000 deal usually takes longer to complete than a $500,000 deal. So you're spending more time for far less return. Some agents don't feel it's productive for them to then spend the hours and hours it takes to sell a book to a small press when there's a $150 return.
But I try and take the long view.
- May 22, 2009 at 1:19 PM
- Dawn said...
Loved the article by Joshua Mohr. Very entertaining and informative. Thanks for these great links, as always.
- May 22, 2009 at 1:23 PM
- Rick Daley said...
More cool links to keep me from legitimate work. Thanks. I think.
- May 22, 2009 at 1:25 PM
- RW said...
It sounds like at best an agent would have to hope for with submitting to small presses is ROI in the very long-term. At worst, they would have to martyr themselves. If it's truly not cost effective to swim in that pool, I wouldn't blame agents--in my business I don't sign agreements that aren't cost effective for me either.
But I think I would want an agent who is serious about exploring all the options that could work for both of us, possibly to include submitting to small presses. It gives me something to think about when it comes time to hunt for an agent. (Still a ways to go in my case.) How to find one who can successfully pitch to traditional/big publishers but who is ready to think outside the box in ways that make sense for both parties in the relationship.
- May 22, 2009 at 1:40 PM
- abc said...
Here is my addition. Please join me in reading Infinite Jest this summer:
- May 22, 2009 at 1:40 PM
- Patrick Rodgers said...
RW you bring up great points but the problem is how do you know going in which agents will submit to small presses if the big ones don't pan out.
Nathan said he would submit to small presses and do whatever it takes to get the book published but we get to see Nathan's thoughts because of this great blog.
So once again Nathan endeared me to make himself the first agent I query.
Another way to do it is to find the agents of popular books that went to small presses and then query them next,
Nathan mentions two THE TIME TRAVELER'S WIFE (MacAdam/Cage) and PRIDE AND PREJUDICE AND ZOMBIES (Quirk) so now to just find out who their agents were.
- May 22, 2009 at 1:49 PM
- Bunny Hills said...
How do you do it? How?? And you do it every day? My eyes melt just looking at all these links (all very interesting), and you actually read them (and so much more! Just the tip of the iceberg!).
Kudos times a billion! I sincerely have the highest admiration for you.
Me? I'm going to go drink a beer.
- May 22, 2009 at 2:00 PM
- Shakier Anthem said...
Re: reaching the wrong group of writers...
For what it's worth, I try to use what I've learned on this blog and others to help friends from my writer's group (who don't read any agents' blogs) improve their query letters. While writers who seek out feedback from their peers may still be a step up from those who crank out a 300,000-word manuscript in their basement and then blindly mass query agents the next day, perhaps it's at least a step in the right direction.
- May 22, 2009 at 2:03 PM
- Patrick Rodgers said...
Well I can cross of The Time Traveler's Wife literary agent as Audrey Niffenegger sent her novel to over 25 agents and go rejected by them all. She ended up sending it unsolicited to MacAdam/Cage and got published by the press itself.
That's a great idea for perseverance if all else fails and you can't sell the book to an agent see if you can actually sell it yourself to a small press. If you believe in your novel then never stop believing as The Time Traveler's Wife has sold 2.5 million copies as of March.
Nathan do you ever see novels like that that you passed up on and have to kick yourself for it. I mean those 25 agents had to hate themselves for just a little bit for passing up on the book.
- May 22, 2009 at 2:07 PM
- TC Laverdure said...
Thanks for taking the Long View Nathan. Are you really as nice as you seem?
Every industry needs more Nathan Bransfords. I have been following this blog for awhile, lurking mostly and think this is the best blog for wanna be writers like myself.
This blog keeps me writing, when I feel down about the process, I come here to see that there is still hope for my writing future.
One of these days I will query you with the book I am working on, when its finished.
Have a great weekend and if you are ever in Calgary, Canada I will buy you lunch for all this effort on your part.
Muchas Gracias
- May 22, 2009 at 2:21 PM
- PSGifford said...
Now I am going to gete even less writing done today.
- May 22, 2009 at 2:24 PM
- PurpleClover said...
Thanks for the links. Have a good weekend!
- May 22, 2009 at 2:28 PM
- Mira said...
Cool - wonderful links, Nathan. Very interesting, thanks.
The Tuscan Whole Milk thread is absolutely hilarious.
- May 22, 2009 at 2:37 PM
- Nathan Bransford said...
If you do want to go the distance with your novel and consider small presses that's an important conversation to have with your agent before you sign, so you're all on the same page.
And I will say, the small press route isn't for everyone. Sometimes authors follow up their first novel with one that's far better, and possibly could have sold at a major publisher. But if the sales with the small press aren't good, it can tough to make "the leap." Other times a small press can really understand and push a title, and can do wonders for the book.
So really I think it should be considered on a case by case basis, but if you do want your agent to consider that option it's an important conversation to have right from the outset.
- May 22, 2009 at 2:39 PM
- Jarucia said...
The link about piracy is more pertinent than I think most writers (okay, aspiring writers) probably give it credit for, especially with the rise of e-publishing and use of the internet to workshop, etc.
There is SO much going on the e-publication front, it's ridiculous. And it's scary because it could go so many ways. It's that unknown factor.
I'm glad to see the level of confidence the publishing pros have in not only the survivability of the 'old fashioned' book, but in its ability to thrive as well.
But as we branch into the cyber ether, we do need to be aware of where and to whom we make our work available.
I think of Stephanie Meyer and her issue with the in-Edwards-POV of Twilight book. Sounded like a soul crushing experience.
- May 22, 2009 at 2:46 PM
- Bane of Anubis said...
I don't mind agents scaring me about dos and don'ts - but then again, I was a Navy brat, so dos and don'ts were a part of me wondrous childhood :)
As for Neil Gaiman's comment about GRRM: "George R. R. Martin is not working for you."
Ummm... who the hell is he working for then?
JJ's comparison between agenting and an author's responsibilities is a bit casuistic - an agent, rightfully, has no responsibility to a querier (essentially a cold-calling telemarketer), whereas an author should feel some toward his/her readers (though this could be the Navy upbringing in me believing in responsibility, accountability, etc.)
Thanks for the links!
- May 22, 2009 at 3:09 PM
- Yamile said...
Tuscan whole milk for that much? And I thought I was crazy for driving 90 minutes (roundtrip) for raw milk! And uranium ore? Sometimes when I'm looking for a special product or even struggling with a home project, my mom would say, "It's the United States. You can find it; you can do it. Anything is possible here!" After visiting those amazon oddities I have to agree.
Have a great weekend!
- May 22, 2009 at 3:18 PM
- Marilynn Byerly said...
The Bowker figures don't say that the number of self-published novels outnumbers traditionally published books. It says that print on demand numbers have surpassed traditionally published numbers.
As a number of us had to remind GalleyCat, print on demand and self-published books aren't the same thing. Print on demand is used by the big publishers for backlist, by small publishers for front list, and by the self-published, among others.
- May 22, 2009 at 3:23 PM
- Marilyn Peake said...
I agree with Joshua Mohr in his article about having a big agent and a small publishing house when he says, "... since they've corroborated that the publishing business is run on chance, I need only concern myself with one thing: the quality of my writing. That isn't chance at all. I can't control marketing trends or debutantes, but I can control the amount of energy I put into my revision process. I can take my time and make sure to write the best book I can." That really is the only thing a writer can control. Small publishing houses, taken as a whole, aren't better than the large publishing houses. A good small press is a wonderful thing, but there are a LOT of small presses out there so corrupt, they make the big publishing houses look like the work of Mother Theresa. Many of those small publishing houses eventually disappear into the night, taking authors' royalties and book rights along with them. No matter what, though, writers can always control the quality of their writing.
- May 22, 2009 at 3:24 PM
- The First Carol said...
Mr. Bransford: I have the answer to "does he make a sound?" It's a small, yet unique cartoon I've saved for many moons in my desk. I found it recently while cleaning. Really. I was cleaning. I will send it to you surreptitiously, which means ack! I don't want to fill your inbox so will have to find some clever way to share. Me? Clever? Sure. It happens.
Have a great weekend and don't worry about publishing--and thanks for the extra thoughts on small press.
- May 22, 2009 at 3:30 PM
- Margaret Yang said...
I'm sold. I just ordered Joshua Mohr's book.
- May 22, 2009 at 3:47 PM
- Chuck H. said...
I'd love to stay and play with the links but I must go out to the shed and roll out my bike. It's warm and dry and I don't have anything to do til tuesday. Ya'll watch out for bearded old men on black motorcycles this weekend, okay? Later!
- May 22, 2009 at 3:54 PM
- Laura Martone said...
Patrick -
I'm confused. According to my research (i.e., the Acknowledgments in Niffenegger's novel), I thought that she did in fact have an agent - one Joseph Regal (who prefers referrals, by the way). Does that mean she secured him AFTER getting signed by the small press? Hmm, I wonder.
- May 22, 2009 at 3:55 PM
- Vacuum Queen said...
Regarding scaring off the wrong half of writers...I can attest that I was one of the truly clueless, but because I came across YOU and Janet Reid, and Kristin Nelson, and Miss Snark, and and and...I figured out how to take my time (gee...it's been since last summer since I began researching how to find an agent for my manuscript) and do it right. I hopefully had a much better query this week when I actually queried 6 agents! Obviously I'll query more, but that was a lot of work this week (I do have another life). I feel like having a party and I feel like such a smartypants for having come across you all. Yay me! and Yay you too!!! So keep it up, you're doing well.
- May 22, 2009 at 4:01 PM
- The First Carol said...
Chuck H: since your hitting the road, may I sit in your 1959 Airstream trailer and type on the old Underwood? I wouldn't mind a weekend of peace and any good reason to stop cleaning...
- May 22, 2009 at 4:07 PM
- Ink said...
Writers don't work for readers. Businesses don't work for their customers. Now, it's good to satisfy those customers, as they might go elsewhere with their money. But you aren't required to satisfy them. For example, if I make a nice, juicy hamburger, and put it outside my shop, and someone comes along and buys it and loves it, that's great. But what if they demand another burger? Am I required to give them one? Is there something about buying that first burger that requires the sale of a second? What happens if I don't have another burger to sell?
Writers don't owe readers, and they don't work for them. They offer a product that the customer can choose to purchase or not. Now, it would be wise to offer a good product, and prudent to offer it in a timely fashion. But they don't have to. Bad business? Perhaps. But that's Martin's problem, not the reader's, and the consequences are his to live with. If they don't like how he operates (or, rather, how long he takes to operate...) then they don't have to buy his books.
Well, that's my take, anyway. And now I want a burger.
- May 22, 2009 at 4:16 PM
- Rick Chesler said...
Thanks for yet another interesting TWIP, Nathan!
- May 22, 2009 at 4:34 PM
- Bane of Anubis said...
Bryan - I understand they don't work directly for readers, but it's a simple logic ladder (to me):
An author, to get paid, has to please the publisher - the publisher, to get paid, has to please its clients - the consumers. The model is essentially the same in business (hence the slogan - "the customer is always right" - which I don't wholly agree with, but I believe the gist). Now, I realize someone like GRRM can take his time and still be a bestseller, but that doesn't make it right.
I agree that it's not a requirement, but it's good business practice.
Now, am I gonna go on his blog and ask "WTF?" or call him out - no... but I still think Gaiman's off base b/c authors live off of readers and nothing else.
- May 22, 2009 at 4:47 PM
- Ink said...
I agree with that, but I think Martin's given readers a lot. And if he's a bestseller, it's because he's giving enough of those readers just what they want - a great story. If someone doesn't like waiting, well... don't. Don't buy the books. That's the most effective message out there. I, like you, think it's kind of silly to go on the man's blog and yell at him, as if this were somehow constructive. Sort of sad, really, though not unsurprising.
And I still want a burger. Who's gonna pony up for me? :)
- May 22, 2009 at 4:59 PM
- Laura Martone said...
I find myself agreeing with you a lot, Bane. It unnerves me a little. ;-)
- May 22, 2009 at 5:00 PM
- Bane of Anubis said...
I want a burrito, myself :) - yeah, he has given a lot, but we are a culture of "want and demand," unfortunately. I'm just gonna need some cliff notes before his next book comes out
- May 22, 2009 at 5:02 PM
- Bane of Anubis said...
Laura, I'd definitely be unnerved - I tend to be an outlier (though my wife prefers the term megalomaniac :)
- May 22, 2009 at 5:04 PM
- Ink said...
Lol on the cliff notes. I hear you.
The other thing, with Martin, is that I really don't think it's lack of effort or laziness. I think the story's gotten away from him, and he's finding it hard as hell to make it work and keep all those juggling balls in the air. I think one of the reasons people love that story is its ambition... but that ambition, well, it gets you stuck in a hole, sometimes, too.
- May 22, 2009 at 5:07 PM
- Bane of Anubis said...
I agree, it's definitely connecting all the dots that's got him in the tar pit. Kind of an epiphany for me recently - of any spec genres, I'd say Epic fantasy is one of the easiest to write, but good EF could well be the most difficult.
He just needs to kill off a few more characters and the sky won't appear so hazy.
- May 22, 2009 at 5:11 PM
- Tricia J. O'Brien said...
I have to say I thought Neil Gaiman's response was hilarious. Whatever Martin's creative block might or might not be, he is not a slave to the readers. Fans can get way too possessive of stories, films, celebrities, etc. And, if disappointed, they should move on to something else.
- May 22, 2009 at 5:45 PM
Apologies if you've seen it before, but I just discovered this funny comic thing from Book Expo America, about things we'd all like to tell publishers :)
- May 22, 2009 at 6:15 PM
- AndrewDugas said...
Gosh, Nathan, somehow you omitted the week's biggest publishing news, namely the big splash Scribd.com made when Kemble Scott, author of the best-selling "SoMa", published his second novel in e-book form. The NY Times covered it, SF Chron, and even NPR had a bit about it.
(Scott was part of a troika: Tamim Ansary and Joe Quirk did the same thing at the same time with their new titles.)
How does it sit with the agent community and the established publishing... er, establishment when authors bypass the whole system like this?
- May 22, 2009 at 6:24 PM
- Patrick Rodgers said...
Laura I do believe she acquired the agent after she had already gotten several publishers interested in the book. The book actually went in an auction. So she did it backwards acquiring an agent after pretty much already selling the book.
- May 22, 2009 at 6:47 PM
- Weronika said...
Fabulous stuff/links--makes my week every time.
Have a good one, Nathan!
- May 22, 2009 at 6:50 PM
- Kimber An said...
Well, I work for the readers because they pay the bills. However, since there isn't much money in this business unless I become a bestseller, which is less likely than winning the lottery, I write for the readers out of a desire to share my stories. If I didn't care about sharing my stories, I sure as heck wouldn't be going through everything required in order to achieve publication.
- May 22, 2009 at 7:21 PM
- Chuck H. said...
@ The First Carol
Sorry, the Airstream is long gone and the Underwood is sitting down in my dungeon room waiting for an over haul. Must go now. Sun shinning still and bike is warmed up.
- May 22, 2009 at 7:40 PM
- Chuck H. said...
Of course, I meant shining but I was so excited over going for a ride that my finger stuttered.
- May 22, 2009 at 7:42 PM
- allegory19 said...
Thanks for the info Nathan!
I would also just like to add that today's my first time blogging from the west coast - Seattle!!!
This Michigander's loving the city - but can't adjust to Pacific time yet.
- May 22, 2009 at 7:50 PM
- Laura Martone said...
allegory -
Where do you live when you're in Michigan? I'm sitting in a little house in the woods - not far from Gaylord. So, I guess I'm a Michigoose, too. Small world, huh?
- May 22, 2009 at 8:07 PM
- Elaine 'still writing' Smith said...
Milk and interesting? Who'd have thought!
Thanks, Nathan, for ensuring I have too much to 'do' to get anything done; as usual!
- May 22, 2009 at 8:09 PM
- allegory19 said...
Hey Laura,
I live in Saginaw. Although I wished I lived up north - it's so much nicer!
- May 22, 2009 at 10:44 PM
- PurpleClover said...
UNDER THE DOME sounds interesting. I have to say I've never read Stephen King. I'm sure I'm flog-worthy for even admitting that. I think I saw part of two movies of his but never anything in its entirety and I'd have to google it to find out what those two movies were.
I may have to give UNDER THE DOME a try though.
Funny about the milk. Very odd. But you were not the absolute last person to know about it. I think that would be me.
I did comment on Janet Reid's post. I thought it was sweet of her to acknowledge that about blog readers. Although I'm a fairly new blogger so I'm not sure it applies to me yet. I'm still finding that I'm on a steep learning curve.
I will check out JenJa's post next. Have a happy weekend! Hope you're enjoying yourself and taking much needed time off rather than "monitoring". ;)
- May 22, 2009 at 10:53 PM
- Laura Martone said...
Hey, Allegory!
Aw, Saginaw's not so bad. I like the museums there.
I'm only a seasonal resident of Michigan (can't handle the winters!) - but my latest travel guide (Moon Michigan) just came out, so now that the deadlines are past, I hope to explore even more of the state this summer - your area included. It's such a beautiful state - I have to admit I love living in the northern woods. It's fun seeing deer, foxes, porcupines, and beavers on my daily walks. You should come visit during blueberry season!
- May 22, 2009 at 11:18 PM
- Patrick Rodgers said...
I just can't see how you can say you have only seen two of Kings movies and not even in entirety. I mean I can understand not having read any of his books but his movies have been almost as successful as his writing. Shawshank Redemption, the Green Mile, the Shining, Stand by Me, 1408, the Mist, IT, Carrie, Children of the Corn, Firestarter, Pet Sematary, Misery, Secret Window, Hearts in Atlantis, Dreamcatcher. And thats not even mentioned TV miniseries like the Stand, Salem's Lot, the Tommyknockers and the Langoliers.
Films based on his work might be more famous than his writing starting with greats like the Shawshank Redmeption.
- May 22, 2009 at 11:31 PM
- Laurel said...
I'm not a huge King fan, either. I appreciate his ability but the stories freak me out too much. NOTHING is sacred. You have no idea who's going to make it through to the end.
Oh, yeah, and the "don't kill kids or animals" rule. I don't think he likes that one. But hey, it works for him. Pet Cemetery was huge.
- May 22, 2009 at 11:44 PM
- Laura Martone said...
Patrick -
I've seen almost all of the films adapted from Stephen King's books - even "Rose Red" - and I've read quite a number of his books and stories... "Rita Hayworth and the Shawshank Redemption" long ago inspired me to be a writer - well, that and "The Hobbit" of course. So, I can't fathom anyone having seen only two of his flicks.
Sorry, Purple Clover. I'm just flabbergasted is all... not passing judgment or anything. ;-)
- May 22, 2009 at 11:45 PM
- Mira said...
I can't read Stephen King's books either. I read Salem's Lot and couldn't sleep for a week - his books terrify me.
I will acknowledge his skill though. He's masterful at what he does. I will also say, 1,136 pages - that's a long book.
- May 22, 2009 at 11:50 PM
- Laurel said...
I like long books...Maia was over 1000 pages and one of my all time faves. It even got pretty creepy at the end. But King is the master of scary. I'm not a thrill seeker.
No sky diving, no bungee jumping, no free climbing any mountains, and no King. Just haven't got the chops.
- May 22, 2009 at 11:54 PM
- Mira said...
Laurel - me too. I'm too imaginative, and King's got a direct line into unconscious imagery.
- May 23, 2009 at 12:00 AM
If the agent saw that a writer had many more good books in her, wouldn't it pay to get the first one out there anyway he could in hopes of getting a following and then be picked up by a big publishing house?
By the way, on Query Tracker it's possible to type in an author's name and get their agent.
Also, does Stephen King write his own books? I've heard, {Is it true?} that some prolific authors just give their ideas to a stable of writers to get on with. What do agents think about that?
- May 23, 2009 at 12:55 AM
- Laurel said...
Hey, Jil!
Out of turn here, not being a King expert, but I find it far-fetched to think that a stable of writers could duplicate his style. Mira's right about him. He has a preternatural ability to tap into primordial fear that affects both an individual and a community. What if everybody's crazy/ what if I'm crazy? Even worse, what if it's all really TRUE?
He's a really gifted writer, I think. If he wasn't, I could probably read more of his stuff. I don't think just being good at mimicry would be enough to pull it off...
What do you think? You've probably read more King than I have. Did any of it not quite ring true for you?
- May 23, 2009 at 1:05 AM
A friend of mine has had the Tuscan Whole Milk on her son's Amazon wish list for years. It was not always $77+ a gallon. If I recall correctly, a couple of years ago, it was under $10, maybe even only $5.
The problem wasn't the cost of the milk. The shipping was outrageous.
- May 23, 2009 at 2:22 AM
- Patrick Rodgers said...
King hiring a stable of writers is the most bogus thing I have ever heard. Just read On Writing he comments that he spend 4-6 hours a day reading or writing. And then look at his retirement after his accident in 1999. The reason he retired was because he could no longer sit for long periods of time to write.
If he had a stable of writers he would never have had to retire as they could have just churned his stories out for him.
And you can see his stylistic changes and influences in all his writing. Read anything before he gave up junk in 1987 and anything after he gave it up and you can see the differences. In fact the more whacked out he got on drugs the stranger his stories got like the Tommyknockers.
His writing ties in with what is happening in his life and no stable of writers could mimic that.
I am not sure if it is true about other authors but it is most definitely false about King.
Now that Stephanie Meyer is hugely successful she should hire a stable of writers to improve her work.
- May 23, 2009 at 2:29 AM
- Claire said...
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- May 23, 2009 at 2:46 AM
- annerallen said...
Eternally grateful for Tuscan whole milk. I'm laughing tears.
- May 23, 2009 at 3:04 AM
- PurpleClover said...
Patrick -
You're right I've seen a few more of his movies. Thanks for listing them out. I did see Shawshank Redemption and Green Mile. Parts of Misery and Firestarter (on TV in the eighties). I've seen Langoliers more than once. Oh and I watched the IT and Stand By Me.
I think he has a great imagination. But I can't watch the scarier stuff (mind control or whatev). Plus, in my defense, I'm fairly young (I like to think) sooooo some of his stuff I've just "missed" out on because I was too young to be exposed.
- May 23, 2009 at 8:35 AM
- Ink said...
Howsabout that LeBron?
- May 23, 2009 at 10:23 AM
I think you are right about King - thank goodness - but is it true that others do have books written from plots they provide? Maybe, at least an outline?
What is Tuscan whole milk?
- May 23, 2009 at 10:41 AM
- Ink said...
Oops. Sorry, Nathan. Forgot it was the long weekend. We Canucks just like to jump the gun and get the holiday weekends done early. Mea culpa.
- May 23, 2009 at 11:26 AM
- PurpleClover said...
Laura -
No offense taken. It's just a matter of taste really. Like Laurel, he's just too scary for me. I'm very sensitive to horror and supernatural stuff. Not so much when I was a teen but even then King was too out there for me.
If I've seen a King flick it was only because it came on TV and I was curious. I never seeked him out. But again, that is due more to taste than anything. I picture his house to have dishes flying around at night and creepy squeaking stair cases and such. :D
Not my cup of tea. On the other hand, there are some of his flicks that I did like and thought were tasteful. So it's kind of like a lottery.
- May 23, 2009 at 11:34 AM
- Deniz Bevan said...
Love the milk link! Have you seen the pen one? http://www.amazon.co.uk/product-reviews/B000JTOYLS/ref=cm_cr_pr_helpful?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0
- May 23, 2009 at 12:10 PM
- Patrick Rodgers said...
My favorite work by king is his novellas and his collection of stories in books like Four Past Midnight and Nightmares and Dreamscapes. Its not surprising either that his best movie adaptations were almost all based on his novellas and not his full length novels. The best of course being the Shawshank Redemption. My second favorite was Kubrick's the Shining and King said he never liked Kubrick's version.
I just bought King's first seven novels off ebay and plan on reading them in a row.
- May 23, 2009 at 12:12 PM
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- May 23, 2009 at 12:27 PM
- Bane of Anubis said...
Byran - that was sick - of course, SVG once again showed why he needs to work on his coaching. Should have been hedging the 3 more and why would you put Hedo - a taller, but much slower defender than Pietrus? If you're not guarding the inbounds play with a big, should have had a double hedging on LeBron... nonetheless, helluva shot....
I still think Orlando wins the series, but Denver's taking it home (my Lakers just aren't tough enough to handle Billups, Melo and the energy Denver's bringing every night)
- May 23, 2009 at 12:29 PM
- Ink said...
I gotta support my Cavs for the title... but I never liked the match-up with Orlando. The Cavs interior defense and rebounding is rather nullified by the fact Lewis and Turkoglu always pull the bigs away from the basket... and the bigs can't guard them out there. I mean, LeBron can guard one of them... but who on Cleveland can guard the other? Of course, the Cavs biggest thing is that they're simply missing shots. Easy shots. Delonte, Mo, Z... miss, miss, miss. If they start hitting, though...
And Denver intrigues me. Kind of snuck up on everybody. And the Lakers aren't playing great right now. Not terrible, but not their best, certainly. Right now, Denver looks better... but Jackson usually finds a way to push a few buttons and ramp up the intensity. Like how he said "Oh, maybe I'll have to sit Fisher..." and suddenly Fisher is playing well again. I'm curious to see what happens in that series.
I know what the League is hoping for... LeBron v. Kobe.
- May 23, 2009 at 12:52 PM
- allegory19 said...
Hey Laura -
Yes Michigan in beautiful (and I don't blame you for booking it in the winter - it's miserable in February). When's the blueberry festival?
Sorry Nat for going way off topic. Laura, you can e-mail the answer if you want: email@example.com
- May 23, 2009 at 2:09 PM
- Bane of Anubis said...
Yeah, Nike, too - with those creepy muppet commercials (though the one w/ LeBron clapping powder all over the place cracks me up :)
- May 23, 2009 at 3:23 PM
Seeing as we're already off topic ... would Kindle work in a space station? How great to have a world of books up there in one little gadget!
- May 23, 2009 at 3:25 PM
- Bane of Anubis said...
Jil, probably not b/c most wireless communications occur through tower/antenna transmission - even if it were directly based through a satellite, the space station would have to be in a lower earth orbit relative to the satellite.
To work, NASA would probably have to reroute Amazon's transmission metric to sync with its own.
- May 23, 2009 at 3:37 PM
- Mira said...
Jil - I don't know if authors use a stable of writers, but I can think of one who could use one.
G.R.R. Martin. He's a bit behind schedule.
I wonder if all those fans on his site who are chewing him out would like to volunteer to help him write his books?
- May 23, 2009 at 3:39 PM
- Ink said...
Nike has muppet commercials? How have I missed this? The citizenry of Canada is being robbed of its rightful commercial propaganda and manipulation. I am going to write a strongly worded letter to Nike concerning their failure to properly export consumerism.
- May 23, 2009 at 3:59 PM
- Bane of Anubis said...
Bryan, here's a link:
I'd avoid writing Nike, though - keep Canada pure :)
- May 23, 2009 at 4:06 PM
- Ink said...
Okay, those were funny. Ah, Youtube, what would I do without you? First you brought me Jeff Vader and the Lego Deathstar Cantina, and now this...
- May 23, 2009 at 4:13 PM
- Wanda B. Ontheshelves said...
Re: "sitting in a little house in the woods - not far from Gaylord"
You mean, near "Call of the Wild" museum? I love that museum. How can it be possible to go "Up North" and not go to the "Call of the Wild" museum? I surely do not know.
Trout farm
Sleeping Bear Sand Dunes (I wrote a poem about them)
Cherry Festival (Cherry syrup on pancakes)
Mackinac Bridge (too scary - but I might write a poem about it to go with the one I wrote about the Ambassador Bridge) (#1 scary bridge in Michigan)
"Up North." Down here - well, let me put it this way - "for sale or lease" signs are sprouting in office parks like morel mushrooms. Depressing as hell. I understand Macomb County is about to get slammed as well.
Good luck with Ruby Hollow.
- May 23, 2009 at 8:23 PM
- Laura Martone said...
I'm way behind everyone else on this stream... I think the last comment was yesterday afternoon... but I've always been a late bloomer... so, here goes.
Purple Clover -
It's definitely a matter of taste. King's not for everyone, I know. I haven't read all of his books, I must admit, but I've read a lot of them - and I love his sense of atmosphere - makes me feel the ghosts and ghoulies are right behind me! I love that feeling!
The craziest experience I had with King was when I was a camp counselor in West Virginia. The kids and counselors were playing a massive game of hide-and-seek, and for some wackadoo reason, I decided to wait it out in a walk-in fridge, reading "The Shining" while I waited (guess which scene - yup, when Jack is locked in the pantry). Talk about scary - I banged so hard on the fridge door that a kid found me anyway!
Steph -
Well, the National Cherry Festival is in Traverse City in July - and blueberry-picking season is also in July. I think the National Blueberry Festival is actually in South Haven in early August (far from both of us).
Wanda -
Yep. I'm not far from Call of the Wild - I've been there a couple times with my nieces. So charmingly low-tech. I'd love to read your Michigan poems - can I see them somewhere?
In the meantime, I'm sorry that things are so depressing down south. My brother-in-law lives in Rochester, and he's about to lose his GM job (he's got three girls, too). Well, you and Steph are both invited to the north - so pretty now that spring is finally here - you can forget your troubles for a while.
Thanks for the well wishes - I'll need 'em!
- May 24, 2009 at 12:15 PM
- Pamela Terry and Edward said...
"things have always been this crappy"... I love that world view!!
- May 24, 2009 at 2:09 PM
- Mira said...
Good links, I read through them.
I had a couple of thoughts. The first is that I agree with the Guardian article. I believe the golden age of publishing is coming up. Ease of access means more - more poor quality, maybe, but more good quality definitely.
The other thought I had was about about Janet Reid's aricle: we're terrifying the wrong group of people.
I agree - except she doesn't quite get to the real point. It's there underneath....
I think the main point is why is anyone being terrified?
I have a good writer friend who spent months and months researching agents, writing queries, etc. Just think - if she had spent that time instead on writing.
I wish agents would completely simplify the process. Create a fill-in form.
What is your genre:
What is the main conflict of the book:
Who are you:
And attach 3-5 pages.
Simple. Easy to read, easy to fill out.
Ease of access. No one is terrified.
Wouldn't that be nice? And think how much easier it would make an agent's life. No more queries to sift through. Just easy to read forms.
No joke, totally serious. Just because something has always been done that way, doesn't mean it's the best way.
- May 24, 2009 at 3:38 PM
Tuscan whole milk is the bomb
- May 24, 2009 at 4:46 PM
- Wanda B. Ontheshelves said...
Hi Laura,
I emailed you my Ambassador Bridge poem since I didn't want to post it here.
Suddenly, I have a craving for blueberries and cherries! Hmm...
General Motors...perhaps your brother-in-law will get a job in the new "green economy" that's been bandied about...when my mom broke her hip, at one point she said, "Out of the darkness comes radical change. Creation, then re-creation, the re-creation again." So I'm trying to stick with that about Detroit, and Michigan as a whole...that's the last line in the last poem in my book about Detroit: "Out of the darkness come radical changes" (thanks for the inspiration mom!) It's like Michigan has got a broken hip, and the broken hip is called "Detroit."
Wanda B.
- May 24, 2009 at 9:08 PM
- Mira said...
So, I was imagining an agent's response to my idea posted yesterday. In keeping with the fact that I never need anyone else to have a conversation, I thought out the whole thing.
Here's the conversation:
'Mira,' said the agent. 'That was brilliant.'
'I know,' I'd reply with false modesty.
'But,' the agent would continue, 'Queries are the only way to know if the author is a professional and someone easy to work with.'
'Balderdash!' I'd reply. Then I'd say it again, because it's so much fun to say. 'Balderdash!. Queries are a very poor way to get that information. Know a better way? Talk to the person on the phone for 5 minutes. That will do it.'
'True,' the agent would nod.
'Not only that,' I'd continue,'but really, why should you get clients who are easy to work? The rest of the world gets clients who are living nightmares. Why should you get be exempt?'
'Good point,' the agent would admit.
'And finally, I noticed that you don't like it when writers are mad at you. Well, insisting that writers not only be extremely talented but also willing do extra work and be sooo nice is a tad annoying.'
'You're right on every point.' the agent would agree. 'Mira, you're a genius!'
'I know!'
'I'll get right on it. No more queries for me. Fill-in forms it is!'
Then, we'd walk off hand and hand into the sunset to go get some beer.
- May 25, 2009 at 8:58 AM
- Middle Ditch said...
Some good information here
- May 25, 2009 at 9:05 AM
Interesting links, Mr. Bransford. Many thanks.
- May 25, 2009 at 9:32 AM
- Laura Martone said...
Oh, Mira, if only it were that simple. Ah, a fantasy world where hateful queries didn't exist...
I liken the whole experience to that of a smart person who doesn't test well. Overall, I'm proud of my novel - I think it's something that readers (especially women) could relate to and perhaps be inspired by - but, alas, my query-crafting abilities are less than desirable.
As proven by my first rejection. Sniff, sniff.
Still, like standardized tests, queries seem to be the best way for unpublished authors (at least in the fiction world) to reach agents (or, realistically, their assistants) who might otherwise not take their phone calls.
But I wish you much luck with your sunset-strolling, beer-snarfing dream!
- May 25, 2009 at 9:42 AM
I wish everyone a nice Memorial Day. God bless all the veterans, their families and friends, and especially our fallen heroes who lie where American Flags mark their graves.
A salute to all veterans!
And a "hello" to fellow vets who like to write.
Mary Jo, old Cold War nag
- May 25, 2009 at 11:39 AM
- Wanda B. Ontheshelves said...
I love this poem:
Wilfred Owen (1893-1918)
Dulce et Decorum Est
Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of tired, outstripped Five-Nines that dropped behind.
Gas! GAS! Quick, boys! -- An ecstasy of fumbling,
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time;
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
And flound'ring like a man in fire or lime . . .
Dim, through the misty panes and thick green light,
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.
In all my dreams, before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.
If in some smothering dreams you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues, --
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.
From Wikipedia:
Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori is a line from the Roman lyrical poet Horace's Odes (iii 2.13). The line can be rendered in English as: "It is sweet and fitting to die for one's country.", "It is noble and glorious to die for your fatherland." or "It is beautiful and honorable to die for your fatherland."
- May 25, 2009 at 12:03 PM
- Marilyn Peake said...
Noticed there was some discussion here about angry vs. cooperative authors. Found out via Neil Gaiman on Twitter about an interesting TV documentary scheduled for tonight about the writer Harlan Ellison. The article says, "But, mostly, he's just angry as hell."
Harlan Ellison Documentary on TVHarlan Ellison's Background on Wikipedia
- May 25, 2009 at 2:28 PM
- Marilyn Peake said...
Somehow, my two links merged in the above post. Here are the two links:
Harlan Ellison Documentary on TVand
Harlan Ellison's Background on Wikipedia
- May 25, 2009 at 2:31 PM
Wanda, what a very sad poem!
Have you been to Gettysburg where the circular painting is described as men going to their glory. The glory of dying horribly- oh, the magnificence of it!
Blessings and thanks to all the poor souls and their families who suffer so.
- May 25, 2009 at 4:55 PM
- Jen C said...
Owen is my favourite poet. His work is just beautiful, and what a shame he was lost so young. Thanks for posting.
- May 25, 2009 at 6:41 PM
- PurpleClover said...
Mira -
I think the difference between a query letter and an online form is much like the difference between playing poker in a casino rather than online. You can see their tells in a query letter but the online form may mask them. ;)
Either way it's a gamble.
Wow. Sometimes I surprise myself. ;)
- May 25, 2009 at 7:07 PM
Um. There are some agents who have fill-in forms. I can remember at least three from when I researched them a year ago. There may have been a lot more who did then and there may be even more now.
- May 25, 2009 at 7:22 PM
- Elaine 'still writing' Smith said...
Brooke, McCrea, Sassoon and Owen -but Owen's 'Disabled' is my absolute favourite.
Love the idea of the standard form - then could we use colour, fonts, form verse and perfume??
- May 25, 2009 at 9:48 PM
- Mira said...
Laura - congrats on your first rejection! You've arrived! You're now a 'real' writer - yea!
P.C. - !!!! I play poker! Do you play?
But you have a point. It's not that the agent doesn't get any information from a query. I just think it's a very time-consuming and labor intensive way to get the information. For both the writer and the agent.
The agent can get the information more quickly and easily by finding writing that he likes, and contacting the author. If he then finds out the author hasn't bathed in 3 years, that's a 'tell.' It 'tells' him to conduct all his business by phone.
Ha ha.
Really. Does it matter if the writer is professional? Really? If they'll net you a million bucks with their writing, can't you put up with nose plugs?
I'm just saying.
- May 26, 2009 at 12:52 AM
- Wanda B. Ontheshelves said...
Re: "Brooke, McCrea, Sassoon and Owen -but Owen's 'Disabled' is my absolute favourite."
Here's a great resource on WWI poets:
It says:
"Harry Rusche is the author of Lost Poets of the Great War, a hypertext document on the poetry of World War I; his address is the English Department, Emory University, Atlanta, GA 30322; he can be reached by e-mail at email@example.com."
I find it interesting that (at least in the writing programs I've been in) you just don't READ these poets at all - there's a whole tradition including them, Edna St. Vincent Millay, even Robinson Jeffers, whom Millay said was the only free verse poet that she admired. You know, as if narrative poetry isn't "modern" enough a response to war, or "high" technology, or social changes...
- May 26, 2009 at 10:42 AM
- Joseph L. Selby said...
Marilynn Byerly beat me to it. POD is not self-publishing. The OOS designation is being replaced with In Stock but that in stock is POD. Lightning Source is growing by leaps and bounds and they won't be the only POD solution in the future. OOS will be a thing of the past until books go fully digital and stock ceases to exist.
- May 26, 2009 at 3:01 PM
- PurpleClover said...
Mira -
You have a good point. I mean seriously...if celebs can get paid millions of dollars and not have one iota of mad-writy skillz then I think we can let a few great story tellers slip through the professional cracks.
And yes, I play Texas Hold'em for fun with friends. Not online (I try to limit my internet addictions to Blogger & FB). Though I came close to playing out in Vegas when I was visiting my sister. But I found I have mad-winny skillz at the Wheel O'Death. Much safer and winning was fast!
- May 26, 2009 at 3:41 PM
- Mira said...
P.C. - I'm not familiar with Wheel of Death (at least not in Vegas. In my life, it sounds familiar...), but Vegas is fun whatever you play. :-)
I played poker seriously for awhile, but had to give it up. I'm a wimp. I'd feel guilty taking their money. I couldn't go for the 'kill.'
I will say it was fun at times, though. Poker is a man's world, and a woman can use that to her advantage - if she's not a wimp!
- May 26, 2009 at 4:01 PM
- PurpleClover said...
Mira -
I take candy from babies.
- May 26, 2009 at 4:16 PM
- Mira said...
- May 26, 2009 at 4:29 PM
- Elaine 'still writing' Smith said...
All poetry has to resonate from the writer's hand (through time and over cultural and around gender barriers) until it gets to translate from words to images in your head.
I first heard the words of these war poets.
Of the pack, only I kept trying to get my Dad to talk about his experiences of war - he refused all medals he was entitled to. By using his brother's birth certificate he went to war at 15.
For years he didn't talk but he would read the poems to me - several rang louder than bells when he read them.
But I was most fascinated by the one he wouldn't read.
He wasn't disabled by injury - theoretically he came back whole.
- May 27, 2009 at 6:37 AM


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An assessment of competing policy considerations in cases of psychiatric injury resulting from negligence
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Corniest Corn Bread
I am in love with fresh corn on the cob this season. I can't get enough of it. In fact, this last week I spent an afternoon freezing the corn from a few dozen ears so that we'll have the good local stuff all winter long. I've been putting corn in salads, tacos, on top of pizzas and in soups. And of course, you can't beat it straight off the cob with a little butter and sprinkling of salt and pepper.
It was only a matter of time before it showed up in my baked goods. And so here you have it, the corniest corn bread there ever was.
And I don't mean corny like cheesy or over-the-top. I mean that this cornbread is packed with actual corn. You can use frozen corn, but since the fresh stuff is still in season why would you? I added some thyme to give it more of a savory flavor and it went great alongside the barbecue chicken and baked beans of our Labor Day feast. It was even great the next morning, toasted and slathered with a little butter and honey.
I think cornbread is highly underrated. Many people make it using a box mix and hope for something more resembling a cake than a bread. This recipe is not difficult to prepare and is definitely better than one from a box. It's not too sweet, has a nice crumbly texture and a pleasing crunch from the corn kernels. It's great any time of day and is delicious served alongside almost any dish or even all by itself.
There's no better way to bridge the gap between the abundance of summer and the season of comforting casseroles and hearty slow cooked meals. Goodbye summer, hello fall!
- 1 cup (125 grams) all-purpose flour
- 1 cup (215 grams) yellow cornmeal
- 6 tablespoons (60 grams) sugar
- 2 1/2 teaspoon baking powder
- 1/4 teaspoon baking soda
- 1/2 teaspoon salt
- 1 tablespoon thyme (about 10 stems), chopped
- 1 cup (236 ml) buttermilk
- 3 tablespoons (42 grams) unsalted butter, melted
- 3 tablespoons vegetable oil
- 1 large egg
- 1 large egg yolk
- 1 cup (150 grams) corn kernels, fresh (from 1 large ear) or frozen
- Preheat oven to 375 degrees F. Grease a 9-inch cast iron skillet, or butter and flour a 9-inch round cake pan.
- In a large bowl, sift together the flour, cornmeal, sugar, baking powder, baking soda, salt, and thyme. In a separate bowl whisk together the buttermilk, butter, vegetable oil, egg and egg yolk. Pour wet ingredients on top of the dry ingredients and gently stir together. Fold in the corn kernels. Do not overmix, batter should be somewhat lumpy.
- Poor batter into the prepared pan and bake until top is golden, 30-35 minutes. Serve warm or at room temperature.
- Store cornbread in an airtight container at room temperature for up to several days.
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Beautiful position, friendly staff, great saladbuffet, absolut quiet place, DOG FRIENDLY!!!!(don't need to pay) Rooms are a bit too simple for a 4*, spa openings are too limited (15. to 19.00)
I'm affraid almost everything:) Thank you! The food was tasty, however the menu was too plain, it would be great if it was more sophisticated.
Everything was at the very high level. Hotel service was very nice and helpful. Breakfasts and dinners were exellent. There were Spa and swimming pool in the hotel too. The city was nice and quiet. We had wonderful stay in that hotel.
Perfect time of year, just before high season, but still had great weather other than one day of rain. Relatively big parking lot in front. We had a half board and the food was pretty good, although there are not too many options for dinner anywhere else in town. Pool area/spa was nice and clean, with the indoor/outdoor pool was pretty neat. Not enough indoor seating at the pool area. If the outdoor weather was warmer it would have been ok, but with the colder days, it is not enough.
There wasn't free wifi at the hotel.We asked for separate beds, but unfortunately we got double bed :-(
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Just a trademark. Stands for John Marlins's initials.
What does the JM stamp on the barrel mean?
336W Bushnell Trophy Scope 3-9x40
Just a trademark. Stands for John Marlins's initials.
Originally Posted by georgekyOriginally Posted by JohnnyLoco
Wrong!................The JM on the left side of the barrel near the receiver is the PROOF MARK, that indicates the rifle has been sucessfully fired in the "proofing box" using a SAAMI proof load. The rifle must be capable of maintaining proper head space under the ignition pressure of the proof load. The head space is measured before, and after the test.
All Marlins are proofed prior to being packaged for the consumer.
Treat others the way you want to be treated.
Thanks Tom you da man.
That's what my dad told me it was long ago when I asked the same question.Originally Posted by Tomray
Steve, in Massachusetts...
I don't hunt for the kill, I kill for the hunt.
Be American, Buy American... Stimulate!
Yes it is a proof mark. I mistakenly wrote trademark. Is still John Marlin's initials.
Glad to see you're still hanging out Tomray!! Mr fixit
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Thanks for the kind words, Mr Fixit............I look in here as much as I can, but haven't posted too much lately.Originally Posted by mr fixit
I spent the last two long weekends in VT. I guess you could say I got "1/2" a 4 pointer on opening day morning.........My partener hit it first, it ran by me, I didn't know it was hit, and I knocked it down with the little '95CBA........he claimed the deer..........He's my cousin, so I still got some venison from it.
Last week, on friday morning at about 11 a.m. I harvested a nice male coyote, at about 60 yards with the '95 CBA........ I'd say he weighed about 38-40lbs, (we had no scale).........That CBA ain't the right rifle to shoot coyotes with.......Too much bullet!
I've got it at the "stuffers" now.........he says I'll get a nice shoulder mount and a tail out of it !......there's not much left to really work with, between the shoulders and the tail .....Oh, well,.......its better than nothing at all......
Over all, it was a good season in VT........saw some old friends, and spent some time in the woods.............
If you hunted, I hope you had a good season too.
Best Regards,
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Tomray.....good going on the deer....really good going on shooting the coyote.
I coyote hunt on a regular basis here in Wisconsin with my .223 NEF. If I am fortunate enough to see a coyote this deer season...he is mine !! This deer season, I can use a centerfire (Marlin 35 Rem) in my area of Wisconsin for deer. Before is was just shotgun slugs. Nice going and Happy Thanksgiving.....Wm. J. W


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Well, lots of places. Sometimes real life says, "Sorry, hon, you're not going to be blogging for a while. Here's a whole bunch of major stuff to deal with instead." 2012 has been one of those times. Also, I moved from Milwaukee to Albuquerque a few weeks ago. So I was busy westward ho-ing, and now I'm busy unpacking and trying to get the phone company to give me a working phone line, plus other stuff. So blogging hasn't made the cut for a while. Sorry about that.
So are you going to start blogging again?
Yeah. As soon as I'm done brawling with the phone company.
I heard you moved to Albuquerque. How do you like it?
Well, I've mostly been inside because it's approximately 1,000 degrees outside, and I am a Norwegian from Minnesota—built for cold. Also, I got whooping cough three days after we arrived (seriously). So that sucked. But I'm sure once the temperature drops a bit and/or I am no longer doing shots of codeine syrup, I'll like it a lot. It's very pretty, and the people are nice. They drive like Californians, but once they're out of their cars, they're great. Also, there's a lot of cool historical stuff here, and I can't wait to get out and see it.
Can I buy a text ad on your blog for my spammy online degree mill?
No. Just like I said the last three times you asked.
Would you like to review these crushingly expensive temporary tattoos/dog biscuits/Justin Bieber toothbrushes for your readers? I'm sure they would love to hear about them!
If there's one thing I know, it's that genealogists love Justin Bieber, tattoos, and well-fed dogs. Unfortunately, I only work for money (or cough medicine). I can't provide any free advertising for you. That said, I googled that Justin Bieber kid, and he certainly does have clean teeth. I bet those toothbrushes will sell like hotcakes.
How come you never comment on my blog?
Well, for one thing, I've been busy westward ho-ing. And coughing. Also, your blog has that CAPTCHA thing on it, which means I can't comment because it takes 77 clicks and screens and then it freezes (especially if you're in Reeder on an iPad). I got tired of typing long comments and then losing them. So I gave up.
Why aren't you following me back on Twitter?
It could be because your account is protected. I don't follow back if the account is protected, because I figure it's protected because you don't want people to see it, and I'm people. It could also be because you have no bio, no picture, no tweets, no nothing…so I can't tell if you're a human or a spambot. Or it could be because you have a lot of extreme political or religious stuff on your Twitter feed, and that's not my cup of tea. If none of these apply, it's probably because I meant to follow back, but started coughing or unpacking and forgot. Send me an @ message and I'll fix it.
Did you see the latest outrage on Facebook? They [insert terrible horrible thing Facebook did to invade your privacy]. You should blog about this so people know.
Yes. I did see it. Here's the thing, though: The biggest danger to your privacy on Facebook isn't Facebook. It's your goofy friends. Like, you'll take your date of birth off of your profile, because maybe telling the whole world your date of birth seems unwise to you. Then your birthday rolls around, and a bunch of people will wish you a happy birthday on Facebook anyway, because they're too busy making sure they get full credit for marking your birthday to notice that your birthday isn't actually on Facebook. Or you'll say, "My kid did such-and-such" (carefully avoiding saying the name of the kid, because you're sending this out to a wider group), and then they'll respond with, "Way to go, Mary Jane Smith!" (full name of kid), not realizing that there might actually be a reason you didn't refer to the kid by name. Or they're sending you eleventy app requests that are going to suck all kinds of personal info from you and all of your friends. Those are your Facebook privacy issues, folks. Facebook's privacy settings are way easier to control than your friends.
I have a job hunting question. [Blah Blah Blah Scenario Scenario Scenario Scenario Question]
The job hunting posts that you are reading on this blog are from the decade before this one. I left HR in 2008. It's 2012 now. My job hunting advice is as stale as day-old bread in Albuquerque. (Seriously, people, you can't believe how fast stuff dries here. I don't even dry the kids off after baths. I'm just like, "Go run around for 11 seconds," and boom. They're dry. Like the bread.). If you want job hunting advice, you should go to Alison Green or Suzanne Lucas. That said, if I had a dollar for every time someone asked me if women can wear pants to a job interview, I could afford to send myself to therapy to get over my sadness that people are still googling whether they can wear pants to interviews. Can we leave that question in the last decade? Please??
Can you help me find this ancestor?
Not right now. I'm stoned on codeine, and my genealogy books are still packed anyway. But you can find a professional genealogist, or take some classes and learn to find your ancestor yourself. (Disclaimer: Nobody paid me to say this. If they did, I'd just blow the money on more cough medicine anyway. Whooping cough lasts six weeks. I have two weeks to go. Stop judging me.)
What's your position on Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter?
Ummmm, no. Just no.
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SAN DIEGO -- One bad start down, six more chances for Brandon Webb to get 20 victories.
Webb got knocked around in one of his worst starts of the season as the San Diego Padres denied him becoming the majors' first 20-game winner with a 9-2 victory against the Arizona Diamondbacks on Tuesday night.
Webb (19-5) lost in his first bid to become the NL's first 20-game winner since 2005 with one of his few bad outings, allowing six runs and nine hits in 4 2/3 innings.
"Pretty much from the get-go I didn't have my good stuff," Webb said. "I couldn't get ahead. My curveball and changeup weren't really there. Overall, not a very good night."
It marked only the fourth time in 28 starts that the normally consistent Webb did not pitch at least six innings. The right-hander had his shortest outing in 13 starts, since he lasted 3 1/3 innings in a 15-1 loss at Oakland on June 4.
"Right when I got out there, I knew something wasn't right," said Webb, who lost for the first time in nine decisions. "I was struggling to get ahead. It was just brutal."
Webb, the 2006 NL Cy Young Award winner, figures to get at least six more starts in Arizona's final 30 games.
"That was very atypical," Diamondbacks manager Bob Melvin said. "You don't see that too often."
Brian Giles and Kevin Kouzmanoff both drove in three runs, and Chase Headley had two RBI for San Diego, which has the second-worst record in the NL (50-82).
Giles hit a three-run homer and Kouzmanoff added a two-run double in a five-run third inning as Arizona lost its third straight and fourth in five games. Kouzmanoff added an RBI double in the seventh.
The Diamondbacks retained their three-game lead over the Los Angeles Dodgers in the NL West.
"I think he probably didn't have his best stuff," Giles said. "But even when he doesn't have his best stuff, he's got quality stuff to get you out. We did a good job of waiting him out and getting balls that were up in the zone."
Rookie Chad Reineke (2-1) pitched five innings for the victory and combined with five relievers on a three-hitter.
Giles hit his 10th home run with one out in the third after singles by Nick Hundley and Tadahito Iguchi for a 3-0 lead. After a single by Luis Rodriguez and a two-out walk to Adrian Gonzalez, Kouzmanoff doubled in both runs.
"That was a very good inning against a guy who looks like he's on his way to the Cy Young," Padres manager Bud Black said.
"With Brandon, you have to be patient because he sinks the ball and tries to get you to chase his off speed stuff," Kouzmanoff said.
Mark Reynolds hit a two-run homer, his 25th, with two outs in the fourth off Reineke, but the Diamondbacks could manage little else.
"We had some shots against (Reineke)," Melvin said. "We just couldn't get the big hit."
Reineke gave up two runs and two hits in his third major-league start.
Webb won both previous starts against San Diego this season without allowing an earned run in 13 innings, including a 4-1 victory in Arizona on Thursday.
"I knew what to do to fix the problem, but I couldn't do it," Webb said. "That made it frustrating."
The Padres won a home series for the first time since winning two of three against the Dodgers from June 10-12. San Diego, which won the first two games of the three-game set against Arizona, broke a string of losing nine home series in a row.
- The NL has not had a 20-game winner since St. Louis' Chris Carpenter, Florida's Dontrelle Willis and Houston's Roy Oswalt in 2005.
- Webb's ERA rose from 2.74 to 2.96.
- Arizona's Adam Dunn walked three times to raise his major league-leading total to 99.


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Rooster Run Hunting Lodge
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Rooster Run is a new adventure in hunting. Founded in 2004, the fall
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We hosted several hunters and most were successful in harvesting a
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Located on over 5 thousand acres of beautiful rolling Kentucky hills, our
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What Bad Weather?
Here's a photo that I took this afternoon from my back porch. These are the Bridger Mountains east of Bozeman. This weather is killing me! LOL
By the way, up there in the Bridgers there are muleys, whitetails, mountain goats (the biggest one ever taken in Montana came from there), black bear, moose, elk, and lions. Pronghorns in the valley.
But, seriously, some of you guys have had a tough winter. You got this far, so now stay safe and drive carefully for what little bad weather is remaining. In a couple of months, we'll all be complaining about having to mow the lawn when we could be shooting. Right?
awlfully nice to be looking at daily:photo:. heavy rain yesterday here with wind.:thumbdown: went will summer get here?
What A Beautifull Picture That Is!!! Onehorse You Are So Lucky To Live There.
two seasons buddy, winter and the fourth of july.
Ok onehorse, what's out you're front porch? I can't take much more. These flat lands are killing me. The only thing I have is Lake Erie out my front porch, the sun sets aren't bad. It's the 8" of new snow thats draging me down.:yucky:
great view........................................
in the mid 30's here and the snow is starting to melt.
Already seeing first signs of spring here, Yep all the rednecks are taking their kerosene heaters to the pawn shop.:w00t:
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Thresia Ann Terry Kiger
Nov. 4, 1936 - July 18, 2014
Thresia Ann Terry Kiger, 77, of Pleasant Hill, was born in Hadsell, the daughter of Jasper and Elizabeth Comer. She died Friday, July 18, 2014, at John Knox Village Hospice House. Mass of Christian Burial was July 22 at St. Bridget Catholic Church. Interment was in Pleasant Hill Cemetery.
Online condolences may be sent to the family at www.stanley-dickeyfunera lhome.com.
Arrangements: Stanley- Dickey Funeral Home, 203 N. Armstrong St., Pleasant Hill, MO 64080; 816-540-5550.
Vida Anita Veach
July 18, 2014
Vida Anita Veach, 90, of Freeman, was born in Log-Bretto, Medio, Yugoslavia now Slovenia, the daughter of Giovanni and Francesca (Sedej) Cernuta. She died Friday, July 18, 2014, at Meadowview of Harrisonville Health and Rehab.
In July 1947, Vida was united in marriage to Benjamin William Veach in Trieste, Italy.
Vida was a homemaker. Earlier she had been a translator for National Bella Hess in North Kansas City. She was a member of Our Lady of Lourdes Catholic Church, Harrisonville.
Besides her parents, she was preceded in death by her husband, Benjamin Veach, on March 25, 2009; a grandson, Adam Veach, on May 14, 2011, and a sister, Vera Swango on Jan. 23, 2011.
Vida is survived by a son, Eddie Veach and wife Sandy, Freeman; two daughters, Loretta Winfrey and husband Wayne, Wamego, Kan., Christy Baumhoff and husband Jason, Urich; several grandchildren and great-grandchildren; a brother, John Cernuta, Port Orange, Fla.; other relatives and many friends.
Funeral Mass was July 22 at Our Lady of Lourdes Catholic Church, Harrisonville, with burial in Mt. Olivet Cemetery, Kansas City.
Family suggests memorial contributions may be made to Grace Hospice.
To send the family online condolences, please visit www.dickeyfh.com.
Arrangements: Dickey Funeral Home, 2401 E. Mechanic St., Harrisonville, MO 64701; 816-884-6244.
Brittany Suann Mulkey
April 3, 1992 - July 19, 2014
Brittany Suann Mulkey, 22, died Saturday, July 19, 2014, at Centerpoint Medical Center in Independence surrounded by loved ones.
A celebration of Brittanys life will be at 5 p.m. July 24 at Austin Baptist Church, 33700 S. Bates Street, Austin. The family will receive friends until 8 p.m. In lieu of flowers, memorial contributions are suggested for her son Joseph Cummins at Adrian Bank in Archie.
Brittany was preceded in death by her great-grandfather Charlie Barteet and her great-grandfather Art Mulkey, Sr.
Brittany is survived by her son Joseph Cummins and her fiancé Joshua Cummins; her parents Dickie and Renea Mulkey of Harrisonville; two sisters, Jessica Mulkey and Alexandria Mulkey, both of Harrisonville; one brother, Charles Mulkey, of Harrisonville; and one neice Chloe Lemka, of Garden City; grandparents include Evelyn Wood of Drexel, Ron Wood of Holden, Charlotte Combs Tunas, Art and Pam Mulkey of Billings Mont.; two uncles, Kevin Wood and Justin Mulkey both of Harrisonville; five aunts Kelly and Glen Archer of Lacyne, Rhonda and Johnny Irvin of Drexel, Bijette Mulkey and Sheila Mulkey both of Billings, Rachelle Blessings of Montana; several cousins and a host of friends.
Bill Brown
July 20, 2014
Bill Brown, 79, of Garden City, died Sunday, July 20, 2014, at St. Lukes East, Lees Summit, surrounded by love and family.
Bill was a member of the U.S. Air Force, serving as an Aircraft Mechanic during the end of the Korean War. His service to his country made him proud to be an American. On Nov. 10, 1956, Bill married Carol J. Clark of Lincoln, Neb. They relocated to the Kansas City area and began their family. They welcomed three daughters into their lives, Linda in November 1962, Susan in April 1965 and Kathy in December 1973. Family was their life, and as it grew, the joy grew. They also were blessed with grandchildren, Laura, Jennifer, Amanda, Andrew, Jarrett, Jesse, Ashley and Grant, as well as great-grandchildren, Trace, Chloe, Peighton and Keegan.
Bill was proud to be an employee of Ford Motor Company all of his working years, retiring in 1992. In his free time, he also enjoyed upholstery work in his shop, gardening and traveling with his family. After retiring, he and Carol relocated to Garden City, where they became members of Heart of Life Church.
Bill is survived by his wife Carol J. Brown of the home; two daughters, Susan L. Stehli and her husband John, of Cape Coral, Fla., and Kathy A. Shields and her husband James, of Blue Springs; one brother, Howard Brown, of Joplin; two sisters, Shirley Kinnamon of Odessa, and Mildred Fowler of Millburn, N.J.; eight grandchildren; four great-grandchildren; other relatives and many friends.
He was preceded in death by his eldest daughter, Linda J. Kaneaster, in March 2002.
Funeral services were July 23 at Heart Of Life Church, Garden City. Burial was in Garden City Cemetery, Garden City.
The family suggests that memorial contributions may be made to Heart Of Life Church Project Nic.
To send the family online condolences, please visit www.dickeyfh.com.
Arrangements: Dickey Funeral Home, 711 Old 7 Hwy., Garden City, MO 64747; 816-862-6345.
Randy Frank Nations
July 20, 2014
Randy Frank Nations, 56, of Urich, died Sunday, July 20, 2014, at Cass Regional Medical Center, Harrisonville.
To send the family online condolences, please visit www.dickeyfh.com.
Arrangements: Dickey Funeral Home, 711 Old 7 Hwy., Garden City, MO 64747; 816-862-6345.
Cynthia Ann Edwards
May 13, 1962 - July 21, 2014
Cynthia Ann Edwards, 52, of Peculiar, died at home Monday, July 21, 2014.
Cindy was born to Robert and Martha Edwards.
Funeral services were at 11 a.m. July 25 at Cornerstone Chapel, 163 W. Center St., Peculiar. Visitation was 10 a.m. until service time at the church. Burial was at 2 p.m. in Pleasant Valley Cemetery.